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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: And what kind of dog is that?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:10:26 GMT

My GSD, Kelsey, is tall and thin, and I've been asked more than once if
she is a greyhound mix.

Also interesting, several people have asked me if I had to have surgery
on her ears "to make them stand up like that".  I've had GSD's all my
life, and no one has ever asked me that.  Granted Kelsey has big ears,
but sheesh! :-> 

Robbin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Stool-Eating (yuk)
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:26:44 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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> In article <21263@drutx.ATT.COM> rnt@drutx.ATT.COM (Diane Thomas) writes:
> >
> >
> >Re:  Ruth Ginzberg's dog eating cat/racoon/etc. 
> >     tootsie rolls. 
> >
> >Let your dog eat them.  My dog gets horribly
> >nauseous whenever I change her dog food, 
> >yet she seems to thrive on cat and coyote turds.  
> >I've given up prying them from her mouth - now
> >I just gag and let her eat them.

Alas, this is what virtually everyone who has responded to my post (both on-
and off-net) says.  I guess I'd assumed it was more of a health hazard than
apparently it is.  Well, it sure doesn't make me feel very inclined to welcome
her doggie-kisses (licks, esp. around face, if possible).  Maybe I'm too easily
grossed-out.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dogs in Pick Up Trucks A
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

On 10-12-92, FRANCINE CANNAROZZI wrote to ALL:
FC> I was walking Beast this morning.  We live in Chicago, definately an
FC> 'urban' area.  On a busy street, I saw a pick up truck FLY by.
FC> In the back bed was a large, black lab.  The dog was not
FC> restrained in any way at ALL.  He was roaming around the bed, and as
FC> they passed us, and I could tell the dog was trying to brace himself
FC> against the movement of the truck to keep his balance.  It was a large
FC> dog and the sides of the truck bed hardly topped his legs. Traffic
FC> was busy, and this guy was going WAY to fast, with or without a dog.

In Monterey County, CA a county ordnance requires that all dogs be tied
in such a way that no portion of the dog can go over the side of the truck.
It turned out to be an easy ordnance to pass.  The justification was, "if
a dog fell off the back or side of a truck, the car following the truck
might swerve to avoid the dog and cause an accident in which people are
injured..."  Amusing, yes?  Nothing about the dog...

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-26715]: diana
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:24:24 GMT

>I am surprised to not see one single post concerning Rotweilers here....   Any
>way, it is the type of dog I am considering to buy.   How are they to live
>with?  Are there distinctly different behavior patterns between breeding lines?

>P.S. also, has anyone kept a dog like this in the city?

I've kept three in the city.  (not for long, it was an unusual situation).

Rotts need a fair amount of excercise (but not like a herding dog,
for instance).  10 minutes of *hard* excercise twice a day should be
fine, or a half-hour jog.  This is just my experience w/ my dog.

Rotts are prone to hip dysplasia.  To reduce the risk of getting a
dysplastic dog, buy from a very good breeder.  If someone is selling
Rotts and doesn't have original OFA hip certification documents for
both parents, DO NOT deal with them at all.

In general Rotts have been poorly bred for a decade or so.  Their
increase in popularity caused many ignorant people to breed for a fast
buck.  If you do not find a breeder who is ethical you may get an
unhealthy, stupid and/or mean dog.

Rotts are stubborn and can be hard to train.  Not as hard as an Akita,
Husky or Shar-pei, in general, but hard.  If you do not show
leadership to the dog, he or she will show leadership to you in the
form of agression.

Good breeder indications for Rotts: Always has OFA certifcation on
parents.  Belongs to a Breed club (contact the clubs through their ads
in Dog World).  Will not publish a dog's price in the paper.  Shows
their dogs in Conformation, Obedience, Schutzhund or all three.
Breeds dogs who have titles in at least one of those areas (both
parents and probably all 4 grandparents should have theses titles.
Just having 3 or 4 great grandparents with titles is not impressive AT
ALL).  Charges about $1200-1500 for show quality and $500-800 for pet
quality.  Seems to care about their dogs and where they are placed,
rather than getting the money and being done with it.  Generally these
breeders loose money and have been in the business for years.  Look
for them primarily in Dog World.  Of the three types of competition
above, Conformation is the least useful, because it says little about
the dog's character and hips -- just its looks.  Often you cannot get
good breeders to stop talking about their dogs.

Rotts are, however, good apartment dogs.  They don't bark for fun, they
don't run around constantly, they don't shed too much, they don't
smell too doggy.

Damon
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.backcountry
From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: Re: Dogs and backpacking
Organization: NT/BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:54:54 GMT

In article <14967@auspex-gw.auspex.com> John Fereira, johnf@Auspex.COM
writes:
>If this is someones idea of a sick joke it's not very funny.

John, honey, are you trying to express that this subject was totally and
thoroughly exhausted just a few posts ago?  Say you don't mean it !!
JB
From: kdrolt@athena.mit.edu (Kenneth D Rolt)
Subject:    new AKC hunting dog newsletter |  repost !
Keywords: woof   hunting dogs
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:24:27 GMT

posted for my sister who has no email access;  please direct any
inquiries to her, NOT me.  thank you.  kdrolt
--------
Woof!  New AKC publication for Hunting Tests.  AKC Hunting Test Herald
					       -----------------------
Just debuted in August 92.  Second issue will soon be out.  Contains training
info, calendar of tests and seminars, listing of titles etc.    For retrievers,
pointers, and spaniels.  Contact for free sample issue:

	Robin Rolt, editor
	AKC Hunting Test Herald
	372 Wildwood Ave.
	Worcester, MA  01603		(508) 798-2386
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Arthritis - pain relief?
Organization: not much...
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:07:03 GMT

While the electric blanket is a good idea in theory, in practice I'm not sure
that it's prudent.  First of all, dogs chew things.  Second, my experience
with an arthritic older dog suggests that bladder control degrades, and I'm
not sure what lying on a wet electric blanket would do.  If you do use one, or
a heating pad, do be careful.

We used Ascriptin -- actually, a generic with the same formulation -- for
Fagin for more than a year, supplemented by steroids when he seemed
particularly creaky.  The reason for using an Ascriptin-like product,
according to my vet, is for the antacid, typically a Maalox-like compound,
included in the formula.

Fagin was about 50 lbs, and I gave him up to 2 tablets a day, one in the
morning and one in the evening.  You should probably use a similar dose by
body-weight, but my impression is that it's pretty hard to OD on aspirin if
you don't have a particular sensitivity to it.  Anyone know for sure?  If
you want to be cautious, you could get some children's aspirin and give the
right dose for your dog's body weight according to the package instructions.

If you do go with the steroids (from your vet), keep in mind that it may
increase the amount of water your dog drinks, with a consequent possible
increase in his need to wet, so you may need to walk more often.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: Rottweilers 
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:43:34 GMT

(Good info on Rotts deleted)

|> Good breeder indications for Rotts: Always has OFA certifcation on
|> parents.  Belongs to a Breed club (contact the clubs through their ads
|> in Dog World).  Will not publish a dog's price in the paper.  Shows
|> their dogs in Conformation, Obedience, Schutzhund or all three.

(interesting stuff on Rotts deleted)
 Of the three types of competition
|> above, Conformation is the least useful, because it says little about
|> the dog's character and hips -- just its looks. 
|> 
|> Damon
|> -- 
|> Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
 
Damon,

I disagree with your last statement, sometimes (often?) HD can be 
suspected just by looking at the way the dog's hips looks and how he
moves.  Movement is a consideration in Conformation. This is not to say 
that you can always spot HD by appearance, dogs should be x-rayed.  Also,
you can't say that an OB title is any indication that the hips are good,
I know two UD dogs and one Open dog who are dysplastic who still compete
(not a kind idea IMHO).  Can't speak to Schutzhund.  

-kayti
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From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:48:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bvs2KL.DFM@news.udel.edu>, angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete) writes:
> Holly wrote that the solution to the problem of owners dumping
> their dogs when they became inconvenient would be solved if
> people bought from breeders of purebred dogs.  Holly:  visit
> your local shelter.  You can pick up just about any breed, some
> show quality.  Breeders hardly have the resources to track all
> of the dogs they breed and place.
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~angela@brahms.udel.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> :           Univ. of Delaware: History of Technology             : 
> :                     CompuServe: 72657,1125             
> :         "Live simply so that others may simply live." 


I agree with you wholeheartedly - I've been to my local shelters, and I
also worked for 5 years for a vet and saw well over a hundred lovely,
unwanted pets euthanized.  (Helped with these euthanizations and 
disposals, actually.)

My point was not that breeders can track the dogs down - you're
absolutely right about their resources.  Instead, I just wanted to point 
out that most of the breeders I know would WANT you to contact him/her,
tell him/her you can't keep the dog, and give him/her the opportunity
to take the dog back.  If you buy from a pet shop, backyard breeder, or 
puppy mill, this is not an option the purchaser would have, especially
a few years down the line.

Clearly it is the responsibility of the owner to contact the breeder, not
the other way around.  I was just saying that with a really reputable 
breeder, this would be an alternative to unhappy owners trying to place
their dogs themselves or just taking them to shelters.

I agree that I am talking about an ideal universe in which the breeder
says, "if the dog doesn't work out, let me know," and the buyer actually
does.  Plenty of breeders urge buyers to do this and never hear from
them again.  I am merely trying to say, in my own very clumsy way, that
if you must have a pedigreed, purebred dog, this is the route to go.

I agree this will not solve the pet population problem, and I always urge
people who want a companion animal to check the shelter first.

Thanks for allowing me to clarify my initial vague thoughts.


Holly
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pit Bulls
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

My brother-in-law and his vet breed Pit Bulls together. They have been
doing this for a number of years. The dogs that they have are very
gentle, well socialized animals. They are very careful in their breeding
program and when the sell them. These dogs are not vicious, in fact they
are so laid back that someone was able to walk into the back yard and
steal one. She probably walked right out the gate with them!
On the other hand, a neighbor has them and they are vicious. But this is
they way that he wants them.
If you are looking to buy one be very careful who you buy from. Ask for
reference, and go see the other dogs they have sold to see thier
temperment.
If they are bred and raised properly they can be terrific pets, however
due to thier structure they can be lethal when they do bite. So you want
to make sure of the temperment before you buy one and then take the time
to socialize the dog and enroll in a basic obedience class so that you
have control of the dog.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers or something else?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:22:45 GMT
Distribution: na

> 
> While a visit to the pound or Humane Society might be the route you ultimately
> take, be sure to do breed research FIRST--before you take home a dog that may
> not be suitable to your circumstances, needs or desires.  Asking questions of
> the net readers is a wise thing to do; I know I've certainly learned a lot.
> 
> A suggestion:  if you are looking for a largish dog that would be suitable for
> apartment/condo living, you might want to consider adopting a Greyhound.  Even
> dogs just off the track are extremely laid back.  They do not require 
> tremendous amounts of exercise.  They tend to not bark a lot.  Greyhounds
> are quite intelligent and easy to train.  If you'd like more information,
> let me know; I can probably put you in touch with a rescue group in your area.
> 
> 		*	*	*	*	*
> 				*
> 	Sharon Toolan		*	My opinions are my own;
> 	toolan@stsci.edu	*	no one else would want them!
> 				*	
> 		*	*	*	*	*
> 
> 	      Make a fast friend, adopt a Greyhound!
> 
> 
> Mom to Amber (8 yr old retired racing Greyhound)
>        Topaz (3 yr old retired racing Greyhound)


It's funny you sould bring this breed up as it was(is?   Maybe?)my first
favorite dog...I just never saw one for sale, or really even ever heard someone
talk about them....Yes, I am interrested in more info!


			-Matt
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:04 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
 <ROWATS.92Oct7112057@rowats.Software.Mitel.COM>
 <1ava6jINNo0t@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <1992Oct7.193355.24821@news.nd.edu>

I'm jumping on the poodle or cocker spaniel thread....

I had a roommate who has a English Springer Spaniel.
I mentioned that the English Springer Spaniel looked
alot like the Cocker Spaniels we'd had. She got all
huffy about this comparison.

In anger/annoyance (whatever) she said to me, "NO
they don't.  Besides all cockers are blonde."

Gee whiz, I don't know what kind of cockers
we had then, because they were all black....
I don't know if she ever believed me when I told
her all the different colors.   Ah well....
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Obsessive-compulsive disorder
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:29:56 GMT


Is this compulsive behavior in dogs treatable?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25729]: diana
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:45:04 GMT

01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes...
> 
> Really?.  I did not expect someone to say they were very good apartment dogs,
>as big as they are!  That I am glad to hear!  I think I may gat one next year.
>    When you say $500-$800 for pet quality...are talking from the east or west
>coast?  That seems a little pricey for ANY dog I've seen for sale.  (Not that

As it is against the ethics codes of all three Rottwiler clubs to publish
the price of a dog in the paper, these are probably less reputable
breeders.  Typically when such a breeder advertises "champion
bloodlines" they mean that a grandparent and a couple grt.
grandparents were from nationally known kennels and had their
championship titles. 

Look for a dog with some titles on both parents and all four
grandparents.  The more serious breeders who breed these dogs
advertise in national dog-oriented publications and will ship puppies
to owners, so regional price differences are minimal.
(primarily: Dog World and The Rottwieler Quarterly)

>P.S.  If I've got no actual experiecne training a dog, do you all think dog
>college (or whatever) would be recommended?  Or will a trip to the library
>suffice

A trip to a good library, followed by *reading* three books is most of
the battle.  You need personal experience from a club or knowledgeable
person too.  Rotties, unlike many dogs, will take advantage of you if
you make mistakes.

Damon
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jms@queenb.unh.edu (Judy M. Strauss)
Subject: And what kind of dog is that?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:52:44 GMT

Along these lines of people not knowing what kind of dog you have-

I go to obedience class with my liver and white dalmatian and
there is a lady waiting in the foyer with a basset hound.

Lady: "What kind of dog is that?"
Me (thinking) - it's covered with spots - what in h*ll do you think it is?
Me: "It's a dalmatian"
Lady:"Why are the spots and nose brown and the eyes green?"
Me: "It's a liver and white dalmatian"
Lady: "So, when is it going to turn black?"
Me (thinking) Say what?
Me: "It's not going to turn black - it's a liver and white dalmatian"
Lady: "Did you buy it?"
Me: "Yes, I did"
Lady: "Boy , did you ever get ripped off!"

And my little dally (bless her heart) simply walked over and took a 
pee right on the woman's foot - I was laughing so hard  I was in tears.

Judi
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: better fences (was Re: Help with neighbors!!)
Date: 15 OCT 92 16:49:08 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) wrote:
>In article <24418@sybase.sybase.com> karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell) writes:
 >I, on the other hand, need to reinforce the *bottom* of a chainlink
>fence.  The terrain along the back fence is just a bit uneven, while the
>top of the fence is flat and level.  As a result, there are a few low
>spots where my 10 month-old boxer has learned (actually, been taught by
>the next door neighbor bitch) to dig out.
> 
>Any advice on a relatively quick and easy, but effective way to
>reinfororce the fence?  I only need to beef up 50-75 feet or so, and all
>of it is hidden behind thick brush (so...beauty is not required).
>Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences

	Well We have a problem with the neighbor's (TWO doors down) chow
getting into our yard under a chainlink fence.  Yes he goes through our
next door neighbor's yard-plays with the collie and then comes to our yard.
Anyway what we've done is get some of thoseconcrete re-enforcing rods
(these are iron? rods about 1/3inch diam) and thread those through the
chain link(vertically) then sink it in the ground.  There are also some
U shaped 'pins' that you can buy, you shove them into the ground hooking
the lowest part of the chain fence in but they will not go very deep and
if your terrain is rocky it could be tough.  The re-enforcing rods- however
come very long and you can sink them to China if necessary.  You'll have
to put them in every 6inches or so depending on the size of your dog and the
gap in the ground.  Good luck
Beverly
WUMS, St. Louis
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: puppy and cat -- should I be worried?
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:25:50 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

As the owner of two kitties, one puny dog and a dobie, the thought that my
big dog could accidentally injure one of the teenies was often on my mind. I
threw out the idea of keeping them permanently seperated as not fun and not
convenient. What I decided to do was simply train my dobie how I wanted him
to play. With my puglet, I always would ask my dobie to lie down...I was
concerened that if he stood, he might put too much pressure on the pug's back
or bump him over too hard. With my dobie in a down, Monty can climb all over
him and wrestle with his head...Dante has his mouth to wrestle back with, but
can't throw his weight around. This was very easy to teach and it has become
a solidly ingrained behaviour: he never tries to play with Monty while he is
standing.

With the cats I was a bit more flexible though, since they DO have claws
which they could use if things really got out of hand, plus the ability to
climb up high or go under the bed when they've had enough. I would suggest
supervised play ONLY for now and verbally correcting your puppy every time he
gets too rough with the cat, if he continues to be rough, take him away from
the cat and put him in a long down or something until he settles down. It
should soon become a habit not to play roughly with the kitty, and as he
slowly grows out of his typical dobie-puppy silliness he will grow to be
quite gentle with the cat, even if he looks like he's eating it :) I would
suggest seperating the dog from the cats when you go out until your pup
becomes more mature, play it by ear as to when it is safe to leave them alone
together.
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