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From: armstrongmw@cgc.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: TROUBLE WITH GYMBOREE
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:44:51 GMT
Organization: Cooley Godward Castro Huddleson & Tatum, San Francisco, Ca

That was our point, when we started asking for help;  We 
wanted Gymboree to make the device safe for others.  It 
broke our hearts to tell Matthew that he would not be returning 
to Gymboree, as he had enjoyed the program so much.  We made 
that decision when Gymboree refused to modify the BARREL 
Crawl play equipment, in order to make it safe.  

One of Gymboree's Attorneys told me that the equipment had 
a great safety record.  He told me that the device had been 
safety tested, but would not tell me by whom.  The feeling I got, 
though it was *never* said out right, was that the risk was
negligable.  

We feel that if a single child is caused a major injury on play
equipment, the equipment should be fitted so that injury does 
not occur again.   We know that this will happen again, as it 
did with Matthew.  And if it does because we did not stand up
to Gymboree, then we are all, to a great extent, responsible.

Now, Melanie, Matthew and I do not want to cause damage to 
Gymboree's reputation, but feel that they are doing this
to themselves by refusing to make such a small change to 
insure the safety of EVERY child that walks into their play 
centers.

I would like to say also that this response, and any of our 
previous responses were directed at Gymboree Corporation.
I know that there may be Gymboree centers out there which do
not share the Corporate opinion that Gymboree has taken.  To 
those people, We salute you.  And thank you for the assistance.


I have been trying to respond to those who have sent 
Email (much appreciated).  Some have bounced back.  If you
have not received a response, please send me a note, and
I'll try to get back to you right away.

Thank you all!
Melanie, Matthew and Mike
armstrongmw@cgc.com
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:06:36 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Protein Traces in Urine
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <l6om4kINNfrn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, by michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle):
>
>       Just had a check up today and this month (as last month) protein
> is showing up in my urine.  They didn't say anything about it, but I
> figure it probably shouldn't be there, and last time all she said was
> to drink more liquids.

By all means question your doctor about this. However, it is most probably
a result of pressure on the kidneys (from the growing fetus), rather than a
kidney infection or something else that you should be very worried about.
Which isn't to say that you should not be concerned. But, rather, that it
may have a simple explanation -- though your doctor should be the one to
confirm that.

 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!

In article <1992Jul25.004917.6695@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu 
(David L. Hanson) writes:
> The point is that God (yes, He wrote the Bible, unbeliever) gives parents
> instructions to spank their children.  The world has twisted itself to
> believe the opposite (spanking is harmful) which is hardly surprising
> considering who their god is. NOTICE that I did not say abuse. And I
> also did appreciate the comments about balance (the duty of the father
> for example) that another poster made.  God desires that parents be the
> servants of their children by loving and caring for them more deeply than
> themselves; and he wants children (including teenages) to be servants of
> their parents by honoring and obeying them.y

Well here we bloody well go again.  Ok, I'll bite.  If your god wrote the 
bible, what happened to the other 400+ gospels which were also supposedly 
written by the same divine inspriation that produced the 4 that were chosen.  
Now, as I recall, one of these gospels directly disputes your spanking 
stance.  So, which one do we believe?  The one that was published by King 
James hundreds of years after the burning of the others as a political 
maneuver by Ignasius (sp?), or the whole thing?

BTW, my god prohibits spanking.  So if I do MY holy duty, I take your 
children away from you and bring them up in the proper traditions.
From: cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: misc.teenagers?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:51:57 GMT
Reply-To: cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>OK, I'll rise to this.  Yes, some of us _do_ have teenagers, but if
>anyone else is like me, we're trying to forget about it :-)

>Seriously, I'd be interested in misc.teenagers, but in the meantime,
>has anyone any advice to offer on how to get a stroppy 14 year old
>to do as he is asked?


You might want to check out alt.parents-teens.  Not nearly as much
traffic there as here but some interesting threads.

Kathy
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pink Eye
Date: 19 Jul 92 03:20:31 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

> Maddy had pineye (conjunctivitis) a while ago and I got it from her.
> Mostly it is harmless but annoying. If it doesn't clear up quickly
> see your doctor. It appears to be caused by kids wiping noses and touching
> eyes, so keeping them clean can help prevent it. As this is almost
> impossible, treatment is to clean up the gunk (that's the technical term :-))
> that comes out of the eye. It might glue the eye shut overnight by
> drying on the eyelashes. A warm wet cloth should break it up, but
> it can be frightening to not be able to open your eyes.
>
> DISCLAIMER: I am not any kind of medical professional, not even a talented
> amateur. What I know I got from being a kid once and reading 'Dr. Mom'.
> Give your doctor a call, if for no other reason than to reassure your
> self. Besides they get the big bucks, they ought to work for it :-).

I too, got it from my child. Both our doctor and Dr. Spock's book
require going into the doctor for antibiotic eyedrops. When I had it, I
not only had gunk sealing my eye shut overnight, but intense watering at
inopportune times.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:52:47 GMT

In <1992Jul25.192711.16723@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:

>> She has tried Time-out and he doesn't understand the concept.  She used cold
>> showers for a while, and that got so bad that for a while he was afraid to
>> take showers!  Now all she has to use is the threat of one and he sort of
>> behaves.

First, going back to the spanking for tempter tantrums -- if you
do spank for temper tantrums, it does not work to spank them *during*
the tantrum.  The child is too caught up in tantruming for the spanking
to have any other effect than making the child feel more thwarted.  
If this is the approach you are taking, you need to teach the child
to calm down and get things under control.  Once the child has been
brought under control, *then* you explain that having a tantrum is
wrong, and why.  *Then* you spank them.  Then you forgive them for
having the tantrum, give them a hug, affirm your love for them, and
move on with life.  (OK, folks, I have my asbstos suit on for this
one. :-) )

In terms of alternatives to spanking, the problem with showers is that
they bear no logical relationship to having a tantrum.  How is having
a cold shower really teaching him why tantrums are bad?  Tantrums have
no relationship to cleanliness.  Timeouts are better, because they teach 
the child that being out of control is wrong, so you give them some time
to get under control.  If she wants to use a timeout, she may need to
be a little more forceful, like finding a *really* boring corner,
and continually putting her son back in the corner until he has stayed
there for a couple of minutes on his own.  And setting a timer, so he
knows he can get out when the timer says "ding".  Persistence early on
makes things easier later when it comes to timing them out.

-- Misty
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: YMMV?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:17:26 GMT

Okay, okay...I have to ask!  I've seen YMMV referenced several times recently
and don't have the foggiest idea what it stands for.  I can usually figure
these things out!  HELP!

Kelly  :-)
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:47:53 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <mylene.711776752@swanee> mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Mylene Pijpers) writes:
>Some months ago I just walked in the sun and I thought: YEP! I feel
>physically normal again, like I felt before Josanne was born. (Say
>8 months, she is 11 mo. now)
>
>What I would like to know from other mothers is things like:
>
>- Did you get this feeling I tried to describe, if so, when did you 
>  notice it.

Yes, I got this feeling too, but not until my son was 10 or 12 months
old, I think.  At that point, I had finally lost all but 2 or 3 pounds
of my pregnancy weight, my skin had tightened back up again, I'd been
exercising long enough to feel back in shape, and I was getting a
regular full-night's sleep every night.  For me, this feeling was
based solely on how I felt physically--emotionally, psychologically,
and logistically, my life will never be back to "normal." 

>- What factors do you think are involved: during pregnancy, maternity 
>  leave, psychological factors, having more children, work before/after
>  birth, the newborn itself, the amount of work you have to do in
>  the house, and how do you think they affected your "extended recovery".

For me the factors involved were sleep, exercise, and hormones.  It
is my own personal theory, totally unsubstantiated by anything other
than my own experience and speculation, that post-pregnancy hormone 
levels take a LONG time to get back to normal.  For me, probably a year.   
Plus, it takes me a long time to adjust my sleep patterns back to
sleeping all night long after so many months of pregnancy-induced
sleeplessness and baby-induced sleeplessness.  I can harbor a sleep
debt for a long time, and even though my six-month-old daughter has
been sleeping through the night for over three months, I'm just now
feeling like I'm not a sleep-deprived walking zombie.

Psychologically, Going back to work has helped quite a bit in feeling 
normal again after both my pregnancies.  My family is in a pretty 
established routine that feels sort of normal now.  When we had our 
second child, it took me a much shorter time to adjust to having two 
kids than it did to having the first.

We started our family four years ago when I got pregnant with our 
first, and ever since then I've been asking myself "Is this normal?"  
"Is _this_ normal?"  "Is THIS normal?" at pretty regular intervals.  
The answer is always "I guess so."

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Info about a game wanted
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<1992Jul29.231813.4282@crd.ge.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:52:33 GMT


In article <MMEYER.92Jul29140412@m2.dseg.ti.com> I write:
>	That game, "Borders America", sounds like a lot of fun!  And
>it seems easy to make up a set of cards at home.  But I wonder... in a
>hypothetical game, let's say you play New Hampshire, and then I play
>Maine.  Then what will you do? :-)

In article <1992Jul29.231813.4282@crd.ge.com> kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
> Well, there's the Green Hills of Vermont, or the Evil Empire to
> the South, the Peoples Republic of Taxachusetts.

	Um, David, I think you misunderstand me.  New Hampshire was
played first.  >THEN< I played Maine.  The only US state that borders
Maine is New Hampshire, and that's already been played.  Trap!

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
   "I had a terrible nightmare...I dreamt Merlin Olsen was sending me flowers."
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fears in young toddlers
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:51:29 GMT
	<1992Jul14.163333.24185@mdd.comm.mot.com> <3177@master.CNA.TEK.COM>
	<TIGGER.92Jul17105556@satyr.Sylvan.COM>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Well, I've also gotten the suggestion to read Kathy "Charlotte's Web".
We haven't gotten it from the library yet, but last night we had some
help from a friend.

A snail was on the sidewalk. Kathy's friend was excited to get to
watch the snail. First Kathy said that she didn't want to see the
snail, and I reassured her that she didn't have to go over to see it.
But he (4 mo. younger) was very excited, and ran over to Kathy several
times to invite her. Eventually she went over, and looked at the snail
and got excited about seeing the 'pokey things' (antennae) and
realized that while the snail was moving, that it wouldn't hurt
anything. I hope this effect will last.

I remember working with a bunch of Brownies (youngest girl scouts) in
the backyard and a daddy-long-legs came up. All of them started
shrieking and I let it crawl up onto my hand, and pointed out the
details on it's body, etc. They all came in, fascinated.
Unfortunately, Kathy gets more upset when an awful bug is on me than
not, and so that technique hadn't worked.


-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!

4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
by 'supermomcow' :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: "The Wooden Soldier" clothing catalog
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:15:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.144945.22027@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> ecu@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (elin.c.upperco) writes:
>Does anyone have a phone number for "The Wooden Soldier"
>(or was it "The TOY Soldier") catalog. Basically it is a catalog of
>very dressy (and expensive) clothing. I used to get their 
>catalog, but, of course, never ordered anything. So they've
>dropped me from their mailing list and I can't seem to
>find an old catalog. Now that I have two kids, I'd like
>to see some dressy brother/sister holiday outfits.
>
>				Thanks.
>				Elin Upperco


The Wooden Soldier		huge selection of semi-formal and formal
Kearsarge Street		children's wear, many sibling and child-
North Conway, NH  03860-0800	parent coordinates--expensive
1-603-356-6343





-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:27:21 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
> Now that we have seen what man has to say about children (re: Hillary
> Clinton - Family Values), let's see some of what God has to say:
> 
> Proverbs 22:15 "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of
> discipline will drive it far from him."
> 
     I don't have a bible handy, so I can't give the exact reference,
but do not forget a corrolary verse to this one:

"Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me."

     I personally think the first should never be mentioned without
the second.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "We are not in the Eighth Dimension.
Email is life!   |  We are over New Jersey.  All is not lost."
Usual disclaimer | --Unidentified red Lectroid announcer
From: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Problem hair: Mom's
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:00:52 GMT
Reply-To: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I noticed while I was pregnant that my hair grew alot faster.  After
Zack was born my hair started to fall out and still is a year later.
I have to wash my hair everyday & everyday there is a big clump of hair
in the tub as well as in my comb after combing my hair.  I find hair
every where & so does my son (he loves to eat my hair).  He loves to
pull my hair & put it in his mouth, he will do this if he is especially
tired.  I know it sounds like Im going bald, I do still have a full
head of hair, but its scary to see all that hair.

I am on birth control so I was thinking that this may be a cause.  I
would think if it was from having been pregnant that it would have stopped
by now.


Angie (Mom to Zachary, 13 months)
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:40:00 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <l7b1uaINNb0@pollux.usc.edu>, sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar) writes:
> 
> I tried Nutramigen for Anu for a while when the doctor wanted her off
> both Enfamil and soy based formulas and she got a terrible reaction
> from it.  Every time we gave it to her she had diarreah.  The doctor
> said that it was really strange and since Nutramigen was "predigested"
> or something this could not really be possible.  But, we definately
> noticed a trend that the day after she got Nutramigen, she would
> delevop a bad diarreah and a resultant diaper rash.  It has happened
> more than a couple of times. (This is really expensive formula though
> and I am actually happy that I don't have to buy it.)  Has anyone else
> experienced this?


Yes, my lactation consultant(!) recommended it *IF* we ever felt that my son
needed a supplement.  In our ignorance of nursing and supply/demand, we gave
him some right away, and the little fellow just exploded from both ends!  He
had the most awful diarrea as well as spitting up.  I have to admit it stands
as one of my most guilty memories of early parenthood...doing that to the poor
little guy :(.

BTW, we eventually understood the principle that if the baby needs more milk
mom should just nurse more often (I assumed I should *wait* a few hours
for the milk supply to increase...ACK!)

Ann Helmers
From: newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: tshirt info
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:42:39 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) posted about his t-shirt:

>> The T-Shirt has "(c) R.H.E. Printed by Dallas Alice" included in 
>> the printing.  Sounds like a reasonable shot that there's a
>> business called Dallas Alice in (um, er...) Dallas.

i live in dallas and will do some scouting around for such a
business.  they are not listed in the phone book and information
didn't know of them but i'll keep looking.  will post whatever
i find.

veek
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: glenda@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Glenda Robinson)
Subject: Re: toxemia and induction
Organization: University of Western Sydney
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:26:42 GMT

It's normal. I had the same thing, though a little later.
I had a blood test the day I saw my OB, 2.5 weeks before the due date,
(Friday), and was phoned by his partner on Monday, when the test results came
in (Of course, my OB was on hols). I went to see him, and was taken to the 
hospital in an Ambulance(he was worried about me passing out). I had what I
thought were migrane eye flashes, but were due to the high blood pressure.
He planned to induce me the next night, but my waters broke anyway. The
most upsetting thing was that, because of the blood pressure, after 22 hours
of non-progression, then induction, I couldn't keep up my active birth plan
(they didn't want to strain my heart). Oh well. At least Andrew was a happy,
healthy baby, even if he was a little on the small side (5lb 14oz). All's well
that ends well.

All the best,

Glenda.


--
Glenda Robinson                               University of Western Sydney
                                              Kingswood
glenda@uws.EDU.AU                             NSW Australia
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:30:57 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technology, San Jose

> Carrie was born almost 5 weeks ago, via c-section following relatively
> long labor.  I felt physically back to normal, including swinging my
> 32 pound two year old over my head, by the time four weeks had passed.
> I get a little tired in the afternoon, but I think anyone whose sleep
> is broken at 3 am would feel the same.  And now for a little bragging
> - I'm down to 4 pounds BELOW my prepregnancy weight, after five weeks!
> Breastfeeding is a great way to diet!

That's great!  But it's making me feel insecure.  I had a normal vaginal
delivery, and after 3 months, still feel tired and not the least normal.
And Paul's been sleeping thru the night for over two weeks.  I also still
have 15 lbs to go (gained 40), and I've even started running again.  I'm
jealous... BTW, I am breasfeeding, too, but haven't lost *any* weight since
Paul was 5 weeks old!

Donna
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Funny T-Shirt
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:43:38 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I received a t-shirt yesterday as a gift from my sister-in-law.  On
the front, where a pocket might be, there's a cute picture of a small
child holding its nose with one hand and holding out a dripping diaper
with the other (very small and cute, not as disgusting as it might
sound).  The back reads:

        D. A. D.
  Dads Against Diapers

 It's not just a Job...
    It's a Doody

--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids