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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The rat, MA, and others
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:47:36 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <16p8f2INNpu9@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>was the tougher rat and run away.
>
>You meanies.
>
>Rats are one of the few members of the animal kingdom with a genuine 
>affection for humans, and all they get from us is hatred and abuse.
<snip>
>In my mind, the only drawback rats have as pets is their rather short
>attention span.  But they do make loyal, affectionate, and undemanding
>companions.

Well, I've never owned a rat...but I've worked for a number of them.
"Undemanding" is not a word I would use...;-)

Steve
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: striking with power
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:32:16 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


>go find a good Taiji practitioner to play with. 

	I wish!!  I'd love to explore that!  I studied Tai Chi for a year,
and learned a form (the moves of the form I mean :-) but had to give up
because of lack of time...
From: chang@assb01
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Shaolin Temple
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:30:14 GMT
Reply-To: @adelphi-msc.army.mil:chang@assb01


        G'day all, I'm a week back from my 40 day asian vacation (mostly
China) and I've got something shiny for Ms. Radner (coz she asked me, I
posted requests for things from asia before I left and only doug and lauren
replied).

        So in light of the Shaolin Temple news on the net, having recently
been there I'd like to talk about it.

        For those who have seen the _Shaolin Temple_, series of movies from
the PRC (I know that there hundreds of MA movies of that title) many of
which feature Jet Lee, you will have seen the temple as many of the famous
places such as the main gate, the pagoda cemetary, the training hall.

        One thing I'd like to point out is how inspiring the training hall
can be.  It has a stone floor that has rows and columns of these huge
potholes that have been worn in by the monks practicing there. Pretty neat.
Once again, if you've seen the movie (the first one), they show the monks
training in the room.

        Fo
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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Re: Shaolin Lineage
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:52:32 GMT

psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) says:


>So Doug, Bruce Lee worshippers often cite a path of lineage for Bruce that
>goes back to "Wing Chun Hall" etc. etc.  Is this another instance of the 
>phenomenon of purchasing one's own Shaolin lineage?

Not at all.  Bruce did study under Yip Man, and in doing so is
still entitled to the lineage from Yip Man back.

Now whether or not his Wing Chun was good is another story. ;)

Marty

Do
From: brosen@slagheap.cis.udel.edu (Bruce)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Martial arts schools in San Antonio TX
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:05:29 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark


	Bruce 
-- 
Bruce Rosen
From: aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
Summary: Seen it, wouldn't do it
Keywords: instep, kick, conditioning
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:47:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ucsc.edu


In article <MARY.92Aug17100715@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>My personal opinion is that you can't condition the instep (the part of
>the foot you're talking about) enough so that you can kick as hard as
>you like.  In other words, you can kick a lot harder than your instep
>can stand it, if you're hitting a hard object, and I don't think that
>you can condition it in such a way that you can really let loose without
>injury.  
>
>[Good advice deleted for the purposes of brevity.]

A couple of data points: within the Uechi-ryu system, I've met somebody
who does demos kicking through (several) baseball bats with the instep,
and somebody else who drops a ten-pound shotput from chest-height
directly onto his instep while his foot is on the ground.  So I'd have
to say that I believe extreme instep conditioning is _possible_.

That being said, I personally don't think conditioning to that degree is
a sensible way to spend all my time.  (I do spend a fair amount of time
on conditioning, but in my opinion there are diminishing returns in
practical terms.)  Also, I have to wonder whether it's really healthy to
do so: the insteps of the people of whom I'm speaking are substantially
deformed (the bone on top of the foot is visibly thicker than normal).
I can't speak authoritatively of the long-term effects of this, but I
suspect they may not be good.

Personally, I condition my shins (probably not as much as I should) and
kick not with the instep proper but just above it, with the base of the
shin.  This seems to me to be more stable and require less conditioning,
but it still stings to catch an elbow dead-on.

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The rat, MA, and others
Date: 19 Aug 1992 22:27:41 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <1992Aug19.112909.16441@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>
>but when you run into
>a *SURPRISE* city rat, you won't think; your gonna react: fear and flight,
>attack, or freeze in your boots pretending you are calm.  You are going
>to feel a visceral reaction.  This is a good thing.  This is a thing
>a martial artist can and should use.

Actually, the martial lesson I got out of your story was exactly contrary.

I used to let my rat have the run of my room (until she developed a taste 
for telephone cord insulation, anyway), so I am used to having a dark (Marti
had "natural" coloration) blur darting about underfoot.  If you were familiar
with rat behavior, you would have realized there was no need for you to 
chase after the poor creature.  Rats have very poor eyesight, but excellent
hearing and smell.  It may have seemed like it was running right at you, but
it probably didn't even know you were there.  If it was raining out, that
would have impaired it's ability to hear or smell you.  All you had to do
was stomp your foot loudly in its path, and you would have accomplished the
same result.

The moral of the story?  Know your enemy and don't overreact.  This has
been a fundamental martial principle since time immemorial.  This is the 
lesson of Sun Tzu.  This is the whole purpose of mushin.

Yes, the good martial artist should be alert.  This does not, however, mean
trigger happy.


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From: natalies@hplsla.hp.com (Natalie Schuchard)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:23:08 GMT
Subject: Re: The rat, the raccoon, rabies, the MA
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

>/ hplsla:rec.martial-arts / snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) /  4:53 am  Aug 20, 1992 /
>
>>Actually, I thought it was raccoons that were the big problem as far as
>>rabies.  Both the numbers and the spread are increasing (based on # of
>>raccoons diagnosed each year). 
>
>Rabies, is a big problem, yes.  Raccoons are one vector for spreading
>this, rats are another.  Rats have been a major disease vector throughout
>the history of mankind.
>
>Anyone ever faced a rabid coon?  I think it was three Sundays ago the
 
I read some where that there was a fund raiser going on and about 100
racoons were shiped in from the south (georgia I think) where Rabies
is endemic. None of the coons were checked and all were set loose
for a coon hunt.  Now Rabies is spreading into the northern states.
    About Rabies shots, the vacine now consists of 4 intermuscular 
shots (not in the stomach), and is made from Human byproducts, not rat 
or duck like they used to.   I was vacinated befor I went to Nepal,
The Bats are the size of foxes.

Nate
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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Movie: Dragon and the Cobra
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:15:58 GMT


Just saw a movie entitled Dragon and The Cobra (rented from
Blockbuster Video), and thought I'd let you in on it.

IT'S COMPLETE CRAP AND A WASTE OF MONEY.

The film made in '79 has people like Rich Barathy, Ron Van Cleefe,
and a bunch of other people coming to a big bout at Madison Square
Garden that is supposed to decide who the next Bruce Lee is.  BLECCHHH!
Besides the obvious crap (and it's not because it's not scottish :),
they take complete liberties with Bruce's past.  The whole
middle of the movie is filled with actuall footage of a Hong Kong
movie Bruce made before he left in '59 (which is the only good part 
of the film).  Even then they screw that up by using it to tell
his supposed life story, which again they take complete liberties
with.  The big (ewww) conflict in the movie is supposed to be everyone
arguing how Bruce died.  The main thing being the secret Dim Mak
flower hand death touch.  They also use footage from Longstreet
episodes and interviews which they completely overdub with their
own dialogue as with the rest of the old footage.

Worst lines:

(Note:  every sound uttered went to forming a totally crap movie)

"Bruce's great grandfather was a tremendous samurai."

(Their overdub of Bruce talking to a producer):
"Sure, I know all the main martial arts: Karate, Jeet Kune Do,
Aikido...."

"But father, I want a black belt."  --overdub of Bruce speaking
to his father.



I wouldn't even reccomend this movie for a good laugh, because they
treat everything seriously, and in a factual manner.


Rating:

(On a scale of 1-4 black belts)

0  (Sears Catalogue vynahide(tm) for $3.00)


Not even worth the lint in my pocket...


Marty

Do
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Shao-Lin Temple news
Keywords: i'm glad someone is out there!
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:42:39 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <71227@apple.Apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.144649.26300@eng.umd.edu> doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.213928.24333@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>>
>>>Guess one day when I become famous I can also get a lineage tablet
>>>established. 
>>>
>>>
>>	this, too, is fact.  anyone with a certain level of martial
>>arts can do this.  it is a recognition of the temple, but has marginally
>>little value as far as validating claims or skills that preceded the
>>acknowledgement.  actually, very little value in validation of claims
>>or skills afterwards, either.  more a simple acknowledgement of your
>>existance.
>
>Thanks for the clarification. I presume the small number of
>such tablets presently in the Temple is due to a lack of interest
>on the part of martial artists in having such things installed
>on their behalf, no doubt because, as you say, they are of little
>real value. Still, the tablet erected on behalf of Grandmaster
>The', his predecessor Ie Chang Ming, and his predecessor
>Su Kong Tai Djin of the Fukien Shao-Lin Temple serve a
>sentimental purpose for us in reminding us where our system
>came from. (I'm always concerned that posting information
>that is of some significance to us may be irrelevant 
>to people less interested in our system).

I didn't mean that establishing the tablet is of little value.
But just a counter proof for having the tablet established
implied a real lineage from Shaolin.
The proof should be stated as follows:
Japanese Shaolin's founder didn't learn from any Shaolin master.
Japanese Shaolin's founder got the tablet established.
Therefore, it is not necessary to learn from a Shaolin master to
have a tablet established.
So the value of the tablet is not the lineage, rather like
an honorary degree offered to sucessful martial artists, even
not necessary to be Chinese MA.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Awww, rats...
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug18.235626.20326@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>... the same argument could be applied to people... and has been...

	Oh, fer cryin' out loud, "if we kill roaches next thing ya know
we'll be gassing Jews again"...  Somehow I don't think the slope's _that_
slippery...

	I carry spiders, centipedes, scorpions, and wasps outside because
they're important predators.  I carry moths and crickets outside so that
the spiders etc. have things to eat.  But I draw the line at cockroaches.

	Besides, they're hard enough to swat never mind catch.  It's amazing
how those things can run!
From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:03:24 GMT
Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <MARY.92Aug13124821@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:

>I found Stephen's post disturbing, for several different reasons.

I didn't see it, but I would like to (I think).

If I promise not to clog up the group with it, will someone send me a copy?

thanks,
tommy
From: jamesh@castle.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: did someone say invertebrate?
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:13:31 GMT
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug22.124602.21741@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ejdath@donner.uucp (25832-dath) writes:
>It's funny that someone mentioned invertebrates...

Hilarious... 

>I was wandering down my front walk not really thinking clearly and all of
>a sudden I was confronted with a really huge earth worm, the wild kind.

EEEK! Rather you than me.

>It wouldn't let me pass... I didn't want to hurt it, but it gave me no choice
>(it slimed my shoe when I got too close).  I delivered what I thought to be
>an excellent palm strike to the midsection, the worm split in two and I thought for sure that it would let me pass.  NO! both halves jumped into the melee!
>Now faced with multiple attackers I gave them some ground.  They were both
>really pissed now, being cut in two and all.  As I sized up the situation I
>decided that without any groin, neck, eyes or any other real vulnerable points
>continuing the defense was hopeless.  I retreated to my car and waited for them
>to leave the area before attempting to reach the house again.

Wimp...

[stuff deleted]

>defense.  Since then I have been working on Worm style Kung Fu, but I haven't
>been able to get a handle on the splitting in two thing and my slime covering
>keeps drying out...
>
>any suggestions?

Find out where the worms are from, study them when they fight, learn
from them, ask them how they deal with it... remember many martial arts
where invented by some bozo watching a monkey or a snake fighting.

>Does anyone have any defenses in case the worms return?

Try dropping a large weight on them, unless they're well trained this
should prevent them splitting into 2 or more since basically they get
pulverised. This is, of course a tricky technique to perfect as the
worms can so easily slip out of the way(what would you expect from the
inventors of Greeno.. oops that's classified info I'd better kill myself
before someoneelse does...)  AAARGH!


James

-- 
  James Hammerton,2nd year Computer Science at University of Edinburgh
  Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.castle   Or: jh@uk.ac.ed.dcs                 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Hips in aikido
Keywords: wristlocks
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:14:50 GMT


tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
  wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>>	Yes, BUT :-) they don't use their hips as a fulcrum the way we
>>do in judo.  I'm talking about actually rolling or pulling uke over the
>>hip.  They may always lead with their hips, but they end up with what
>>we in judo would call a hand technique. 
 
> to disagree somewhat with this.  We have two classes of koshi nage,
>one class is as you describe above, but the other class definitely
>uses the hip as a fulcrum.  It depends on how you enter, the former
>tends to have the hips at right angles to each other, in the latter
>the hips are parallel (and thus may be used as a fulcrum).  


  Cindy is correct that there are two versions of koshi-nage,
  "head under" and "hips under" [in Bruce Klickstein's term.].
  However, the "hips under" is different from a judo o-goshi
  (which is what Wharfie's claiming, not that the "hips are not 
  used as a fulcrum").  By "hand technique", he means that the 
  hips do not actively lift uke off the ground; instead, in 
  Aikido's koshi-nage, the hips are a fulcrum, and uke is rolled 
  over them, without their help.  Unfortunately it is all too
  easy for nage to "cheat" and use the hips to lift uke, especially
  when nage can't to koshi-nage properly, so this sometimes 
  happens.  I claim this is just bad Aikido.  

  In fact, I noticed that the "hips under" koshinage was very 
  similar to one of my favorite judo throws, tsurikomi-goshi, which
  I believe is considered a hand technique by the Kodokan, even 
  though it may look very similar to a standard o-goshi hip throw
  (which, incidentally, is my other favorite judo throw).

  Do you agree Wharfie ?

  -- Ted --

==========================================================
  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:50:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.113042.25326@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

Stephen, I can already smell the odor of burning flesh.  Folks
are going to flame you over this post, buddy, and they will have
a point.  Nobody will blame you for being a Christian, or for
subscribing to a particularly narrow and apocaliptic flavor of
the faith.  And everyone identifies to some extent with your
efforts to retain some spiritual integrity in the chaos of
modern American life.  Nor does anyone doubt your sincerity when
you say that these matters weigh heavy on your heart.  It's just
that you can't sell this stuff here.  This is how Khan manages
to stay in trouble all the time.  Rec.m-a is just the wrong
forum for these issues.  You wouldn't jump up in the middle of a
worship service and try to lead your pew-mates in a round of
one-steps, or insist that the entire congregation join you in
Taeguek Pal Jang.  Same principle.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shao-Lin Temple news
Summary: -=-=-< a good point >-=-=-
Keywords: i'm glad someone is out there!
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:46:49 GMT
Followup-To: doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug13.213928.24333@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:

>Many years ago, there was a Japanese guy who went to visit Shaolin.
>And he saw some pictures on the wall.  Being inspired by the pictures
>he went back to Japan and founded the Japanese Shaolin school and
>there are a lot of students.  He re-visited Shaolin after many years
>and got a lineage tablet established though he didn't learn from any
>Shaolin master.  This is recorded by the Chinese government inside
>the Shaolin advisetisement.

	this is absolutely correct!  congradulations on your knowledge!
*anyone* can get this done for them, once they reach a certain recognized
level, and pay the appropriate homage.
	it is also on film, a copy of which, i have seen, and we have
at our school. 

>Guess one day when I become famous I can also get a lineage tablet
>established. 
>
>
	this, too, is fact.  anyone with a certain level of martial
arts can do this.  it is a recognition of the temple, but has marginally
little value as far as validating claims or skills that preceded the
acknowledgement.  actually, very little value in validation of claims
or skills afterwards, either.  more a simple acknowledgement of your
existance.
	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	and, as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	"presidential elections are planned distractions
	 to divert attention from the actions behind the scenes....
	 like a game of chess when the house is a mess, or
	 a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble,
	 or a football game when there's rioting in the street!

	 it's just another movie.....  another song and dance.....
	 another poor sucker who never had a chance!
	 it's just another captain goin' down with his ship.....
	 it's just another jerk, taking pride in his work!

				       greetings from timbuck three!
From: rchafetz@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Ross Chafetz)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Visiting San Diego
Date: 18 Aug 1992 21:56:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx


I'm going to San Diego for the weekend (20th-23), and I'm interested
in seeing some Tai Chi teachers from other parts of the country.  Anyone
know of any schools in the San Diego area.

:)

Ross 
 
rchafetz@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

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