From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak  #3000  x2110 )
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETY
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:30:35 GMT

> = The Big Dick pontificates:

[re: good old God...]
>One of the consequences of making living beings instead of micro-controlled
>robots is that living beings such as ourselves by nature have freedom--

That's one way to look at it.  Luckily, Dick doesn't mind *immediately*
contradicting himself...

>God can reform whoever He wishes.  He has infinite power and infinite
>knowledge, etc.  We don't.  

So much for that freedom, ay?  Since "whoever He wishes" means any old
sinful person, why doesn't he just do EVERYbody?  Is this some kind of
malicious GAME?  

Are you sure you understand this "God" guy of yours, Dick?  Or are you
making this slop up as you go on?  (and ON, and ON, and...) 

>He also is completely benevolent so that He has never and will never make
>a mistake or make a choice that is less than the best possible.

Oh, crap.  Re-read the Old Testament, and let's pay attention this time.

>Is it any wonder that His best decisions might conflict with our understanding
>of what is best since the human mind has limits?  

It's a lot more wondrous that you actually believe this tripe.

>Perhaps rather than come against God in judgement for those He
>apparently killed,...

Apparently?  Don't you believe the bible?

>...we should attempt to understand His motives--that's right--think.

What an arrogant religious snob.  Because people don't agree with your
delusions, you label them as "religiously uneducated"?  I think those
that have spurned your christian god have thought more on the subject
than any of YOU fanatics.

Surprise!  I have thought it through, Dick.  Quite extensively.  The 
vengeful, murderous "God" depicted in the Old Testament is a disgusting 
being that I, personally, am glad does not actually exist.  What a tyrant 
he'd be!

>Perhaps the crime is not that God killed,...

"Thou Shalt Not Murder Unless Thou Art God."  Or,

"Do Not As I Do, But As I Command."

Nah.  Doesn't cut it .

>...but rather that we made it best for Him to do so and as God is
>benevolent, He acted accordingly.

C'mon, Marble Mouth.  This is pure blather, incongruent pieces of logic
forced together in a most incomprehensible fashion.  IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE!  Really.  Read it yourself when your thorazine wears off.

>If you take a good look at the Old Testament and New Testament, I'm sure you
>will find this is the case without exception and that the blood of man is on
>his own hands as it is for the abortions that are being done today.

I see nothing of the sort.  I believe a little mental therapy could
help you regain reality, Dick; but you gotta WANT it, and I think you
enjoy your personal Fundie Hallucination.

>Scientists have developed strong enough equipment to know that brain wave
>activity begins around or before the time an abortion can be performed.

So?  The point is....what?

>We have enough evidence to believe that a child is a child regardless of 
>his or her location.  We have enough knowledge to know it is wrong to kill
>that child.  

No.  Pro-fetus fanatics like yourself have declared this; don't include
pro-choicers in that smug, supercilious "we", OK?  "We" think you're
meddlesome busybodies, getting more dangerous by the day, mocking
"religious freedom" as it's built into our fine Constitution ("fine"
except for that early slave bullshit).  
 
>Back to the question of reform.  Who knows for certain that the AIDS virus
>itsself is not a method of giving reform?  

Reforming WHAT?  What the hell does a horrible, slow death - albeit
with a short lifespan endpoint - have to do with reformation?  "Reform"
the enjoyment of life?  Sheesh.

>Who knows that it's infection of
>both the unjust and just, young and old, are not a benevolent lesson that we
>should stop repeating the lies of this and the past generation saying that
>whatever we do in private is our right to do and that what harm we bring is
>really not at our own hands.  

You are a sick man.  You think your asshole "god" would actually find
someone DESERVING of AIDS?  You worship this creep?  *BENEVOLENT*?

Dick, get some help.  Now.  You're dangerous.  Truly.

>Who can tell us that the private sins of man is not killing Arthur Ash
>at this time?

Man, I don't believe this guy.  If I hadn't seen Dickhead before in
this forum, I'd think he was a pro-choicer helping us out.

>Come on and flame and mock if you wish.  I just don't care.  I hope the point
>has been made.

The point made is, the Religious Coercion Squad is alive and mentally
unbalanced as usual.  

Why don't you more fevered God Squadders move to a fucking island
somewhere, where you can drip your piety all over each other without
staining normal people?  You make me sick.

...And you're giving non-coercive religious folks a bad name.  


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