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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:52:10 GMT

In <1992Aug18.231843.10914@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>	Well Dave, I'm running OS2 with an IDE HD and I just don't see this
>   huge slowdown that everyone talks about.

>							G.Greene

Dave was talking about throughput. Try to access the disk while a background
program is busy (i.e. does calculations). This will either slow down
the calculation, the disk transfer or both significantly. A DMA system
would see only minor degradation. BTW, this has nothing to do with
IDE but with the fact that there is no DMA used in PCs for an IDE interface.

Regards,
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:40:43 GMT

cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>What do you think? Why did C= release the A600?
>
>Low cost.  Putting the AA chipset into the 600 would increase the cost at
>a time when C= are trying to decrease the cost of the low-end Amigas
>to C-64 prices.

Yeah, and it also keeps developers making ECS software instead of AA.

-- Gerald
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:21:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:

>There is no ECS Paula; the A3000 has the same Paula as the A1000.  As
>I understand it, the Paula for AA will still be the very same Paula.

>I figure the technology in Paula is just so obscure that no one at
>Commodore has yet been able to figure it out or duplicate it.  The
>audio channels are *analog* outputs!  This is not a simple digital
>chip.  Whatever Amiga Corp. engineer developed Paula and then got
>canned took Paula's technology with him.
>-- 
>Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
>OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...

Jay, are you listening?  

Could you lend us a hand?  We need a new Paulina... soon!!!

--Kelvin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.055450.24320@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>: Ides of September?? In dictionary ides mean day fifteen of March, May
>: July, October.  You mean TIDES of September? Iowa has ocean?!?
>
>You know, you are SUCH a twit.

You are ver good with insults like Microsoft people!  Sorry for
being BLOCKhead.

>
>First, if you knew any Latin, you'd get the gist.
>
>Second, if you knew anything about C=, you'd know why he says it.
>

Maybe when I starting high school I will try Latin!  WHAT is
meaning of IDES of September if you know it??!

>You sure you're not Slu Aspiks with a lobotomy?
>

WHO is Slu Aspiks??


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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 11:22:01 GMT

In article <34247@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.071311.3987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>You shouldn't be.  It would have been quite possible for C= to double the
>>clockspeed of the chipset, and gain more than 4x speedup.  
>
>I didn't see the posting on the supposed "AA" chipset.  But let's examine this
>claim in light of ECS and see just how possible this would be.

At last; some facts.  Thank you.

[ information deleted ]

>Now let's consider a double-speed ECS chip. It would run a 140ns cycle.  You 
>cycle 60ns DRAM in 140ns no problem, though they're a considerable premium over
>80ns parts today.  There's not enough time to run a page/static column cycle 
>within that 140ns access window, so this approach would yield the same 2x
>speedup, but it would cost more.

Maybe this approach would only achieve the same speedup, but would it
allow the blitter to also utilise the speedup more easily as well?  

I see that the need for the faster setup may not be feasible at present
on mid-range machines.  I have to ask how on earth PC video cards manage
to achieve such high resolutions so cheaply?  How do they get the
bandwidth?  Surely they can't all use VRAMS?

>So, without a major overhaul of the Amiga bus access design, a double-speed 
>memory cycle isn't going to help any.  

Hmmm.  I'm now wondering where the Amiga can go from here.  If doubling
the clockspeed doesn't produce results, what changes could be made
in the future to improve performance?  Could we see multiple banks
of chip memory, or would the cost outweigh performance gains?

>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:21592 comp.sys.amiga.misc:12721
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:33:46 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Aug15.180205.1@acad2.alaska.edu> astlc@acad2.alaska.edu (Tom Claydon) writes:
>
>  Oh brother. The old addage "computer software would be cheaper if there
> were no software pirates" is pure bunk. Take a look at the home video game
> market. There is NO piracy on these systems, yet $40 to $50 (or more)
> cartridges are not uncommon.
>

What do you think costs more, ROM or floppy disks?  I KNOW ROM costs a
LOT more.  The $$$ markup on carts sold is far less than for floppy
games.  Without piracy, the $$$ markup on floppy based products will
be lowered.

> --
> Tom Claydon, Electronics Tech.
> University of Alaska Anchorage
> BITNET: astlc@alaska.bitnet
> INTERNET: astlc@acad2.alaska.edu

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From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:33:08 GMT
Reply-To: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer, ECA008)
Distribution: comp
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

In article <fzfy#x-@rpi.edu> pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli) writes:
>In article <338@mbunix.adsp.sub.org> mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer) writes:
>>
>>... Amigas have a higer fun-factor than any ATARIs...
>>
>   And, from what I've seen, more woofing asshole users per computer sold
>than any other manufacturer.

Why are you attacking me... I have *YOUR* dream computer on the side of my
A3000UXD, a ATARI TTX (68030/68882/32MHZ with ATARI System V (SVR4))

And so I know from what I`am writing... 

And you... a simple ATARI MegaST 2... hahaharhaHaHAHARRHAEHA... :-)

Better you go out of this newsgroup...

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.231843.10914@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>
>>PClones generally use IDE because it's cheap and most users run MS-DOS or
>>Windows, and therefore wouldn't see an advantage to DMA or SCSI.  If you're 
>>using OS/2 or UNIX on a PC, a DMA driven hard disk adaptor would help out
>>considerably in system throughput.  It'll also cost more.
>
>	Well Dave, I'm running OS2 with an IDE HD and I just don't see this
>   huge slowdown that everyone talks about.

Maybe not, but if you changed to an EISA machine with a 32-bit DMA SCSI host
adaptor (like the A3000 has) I'm sure you'd notice the speedup - then you'd
know what we're talking about.  Basically, you're not likely to miss something
you've never had.  It's a bit like multitasking among DOS users in that...


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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:25:55 GMT

>Did I state ANYWHERE in the above text that you had too?? *NO* I said that 
>OS/2 was designed to stay compatible. I still don't think that OS/2 has    
>anywhere near the functionality of UNIX.  My reason for saying this is that
>I have yet to see OS/2 multitask as effectively as UNIX or even AmigaDos.

	What the heck does this mean?  OS2 multitasks just as effectively
   as AmigaDos does.  Don't know about UNIX though, I don't have a lot of
   experience with it.

							G.Greene

>
>Gregory John Casamento  --  gcasa@wam.umd.edu
>**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
>**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
>**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re:   Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:53:14 GMT

In article <root.02az@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>That's good.
>
>Of course, if they closed down Hong Kong, they would be closing down the
>world capital of software piracy. :-)

Yeah, I've heard stories.  I heard one which said that these pirate stores
get one guy to run out and get all of these new pieces of software and
then once they get it back to the store they proceed to make hundreds, if not
thousands of copies. 

>And you still have to remember that the People's Republic of China is
>capable of things like Tianenmen Square.

This is unfortunately true as well.
  
>
>--
>Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
>
>		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
>


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**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:21617 comp.sys.atari.st:12415
From: imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Flight Sims??
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:55:51 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

Can anybody recommend a good flight sim for the ST? 
The ones I already have are...

Falcon (+mission disks)		Sublogic FS II
Thunderhawk			F-29 Retaliator
Flight of the Intruder

I am looking for something with an accent on realism, like Falcon, but with
decent graphics, like F-29 or Thunderhawk. Can anybody give me recommendations?
In particular, I am interested in..

Knights of the Sky
F-15 Strike Eagle II
Birds of Prey (is this out yet?)
Battle of Britain

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks very much

______________________________________________________________________________
| Ian Taylor (x4097)	|			     | imt@cel.crosfield.uk   |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Crime & Death Penalty Re: Perot ? (the thread that won't die)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:05:04 GMT

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
: Would you prefer gas, electrocution, or lethal injection?

What if it is innocent????  Better that the thread be given
life imprisonment with no parole.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:02:52 GMT

ganoe@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Ganoe Craig) writes:
> Note that the new Kodak players aren't CD-I compatible. It looks like
> from the Photo-CD support on other platforms that Kodak has realized
> that it needs more than CD-I to get recognized as a standard.

Oh, absolutely.  Kodka did several smart things in that respect:

1. They got every other major film maker to endorse Photo CD.  Polaroid is
even making scanners to be sold under the Kodak name to Photo CD developers
(this is so Polaroid instant snapshots can also be scanned in :-).

2. By including CD-I code on each disc, they ensure that more than one type
of (very likely to be) widespread consumer player can easily display them.

3. They announced way in advance that Photo CD would use the new XA CD-ROM
drive spec.  Unfortunately, many makers delayed updating their CD drives,
which isn't Kodak's fault.

4. They themselves are selling cheap ($40) Mac/PC access software which
comes on a disc with Photo CD sample pictures.

On the downside, you have to pay to get Photo CD developer code.  This was
a decision of the Kodak bigwigs who wanted to get some quick payback on all
their research.  And I think it'll be a mistake if they keep this up.  I
(and others) have already given them grief about not releasing the code on
the internet... which would ensure access software for almost every computer.

ObAdvocacy: I know of at least one Amiga developer who put off becoming an
early Photo CD developer because he thought Commodore would have Amiga
access software out by now.  Let's hope they do announce something soon.
This waiting-until-mid-September bit is getting old :-)  Not to mention
I'm sure the Commodore types here are getting tired of being ragged on ;-)

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:55:31 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <34219@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.130739.24532@tronsbox.xei.com> tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>>
>>	So let me get this straight then - as a member of the new
>>"keep everyone informed" C=, you have decided the the single most
>>vocal Amiga commentator of doom - one who has a audience on 7
>
>First, I don't work for C=  , therefore who I think is worth responding to
>is my business.  Note the organization header.  I do occasional
>consulting for C=, but that's about it.

	Apologies. This isn't QUITE as bad as I feared. However, you
do carry some "official" weight with the readers here.

>>continents, is not worth your time to respond to. In other words, just
>>like before - C= will only give out informat too little, way to late
>>and only then when the hue and cry forces them to!
>
>Usenet is 'free time' activity for C= engineers.  Are you suggesting
>someone be appointed 'Guardian of Truth' for .advocacy ?  Seriously ?

	Yeah - not just for usenet - but for the Amiga in general. In
a sense, this is what PR firms are supposed to do.  Just post some
info whenever something that will "look bad" happens.

>I believe he's demonstrated a consistant pattern of abuse of the
>truth by now.  You know the old saying "Fool me once, shame on
>you.  Fool me twice, shame on me" ?  Well, its been a lot more than
>twice :-)

	I know. I think that everytime I hear ..

	"There is a radical new Amiga due out soon"
	"C= will begin a real advertising campaign"

	or
	
	"C= is commited to this in the long term"

	We may have to add...

	"these layoffs mean nothing regarding our support for product XXX'

>
>>	How about putting this thing to sleep...
>
>I agree.  That's why I put him in a kill file for this newsgroup.

	Good solution. There is a bird that does that too you know.

>
>Again, I don't work for C=.   Also, I don't believe that Usenet
>is an official support channel.

	Hmm.. too bad. Have they put this to rest on BIX ?

>
>Which is a truism.  BTW, the reasoning behind the statement is 
>real close to the logic of a software pirate.  "If you'd lower
>your prices I wouldn't pirate your software"

	Hmm.. you mean that saying that it would be helpful to get official
info is a federal offense ?



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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:24:37 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Aug13.063354.3412@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
 >In article <10667547.40.713672898@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
 >> In article <1992Aug10.155434.7713@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
 >>>HAM is a joke, fringing is a joke, interlace video is for the minority,
 >>>wake up Commodore.

HAM is contrary to your opinion the most efficient (in time and memory)
method to display brilliant pictures. As it needs so little memory
(only 6 bits per pixel), it also makes for the fast animation capabilities.

 >	Whats this ages?  I believe the Amiga as has maximun resolution 
 >	of 640 x 400 and 16 colors out of 4096 (interlaced) since it 
 >	came out.  

Not correct. Since two years we have ECS where you can go up to 1280 x 512
plus overscan, though only 4 colors.

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM, Advertising, Etc...
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:47:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug12.115647.5927@cam-orl.co.uk>

>"Wouldn't you love on on your lap?"

Uh, which month is this in? Is it still available on the newstand?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.161957.16681@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>We were talking about OS/2, not Windows.
>

Actually I meant OS/2 but misspoke myself.

>
>Actually, UNIX was designed to be a small single-user system.  Read the
>history books.
>

I know that UNIX was designed to be a single user system, but it isn't is it?
I don't have to read the history books, I was referring to UNIX as it is today.
It is commonly used TODAY as a multiuser, multitasking system.

>
>That's exactly what I said.  One correction, though -- you don't *have* to
>install the DOS/Windows stuff with OS/2.  IMHO, if you install only the
>OS/2 parts of OS/2, it's wonderfully compact compared to other OS's with
>similar functionality (UNIX+X).
>

Did I state ANYWHERE in the above text that you had too?? *NO* I said that 
OS/2 was designed to stay compatible. I still don't think that OS/2 has    
anywhere near the functionality of UNIX.  My reason for saying this is that
I have yet to see OS/2 multitask as effectively as UNIX or even AmigaDos.

>
>That's not too impressive -- have you ever tried to shake a PS/2? :-)
>

Have you ever even looked at all the ads for software for the Amiga?? Have you 
ever even seen a list of the Public Domain software for the Amiga?  Sure, the
packages aren't made by Microsoft or some other snot-nosed-too-good-for-anyone
company, but talent isn't restricted to those companies people 
to be any good.
software doesn't have to come from the bowels of Steve Gate's (or whoever the
>>
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**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore show
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.073717.8982@regina.cs.uregina.ca> gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>Who is going to the World of Commodore show, Pasedena, CA? 
>Will you be able to make posts to the net and keep the rest
>of us informed as to whats new/old at the show?  It would be
>much appreciated.
>

	Thank God Iowa is far enough from California. Otherwise we might
hear more bad news, like maybe a report that CBM doesn't show!


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