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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Eyecatching Titles, LTD.
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:08:15 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Sat 15 Aug 92  0:29, kws1x@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU
(Kenneth W. Smith) wrote:

[...really well written and thought out posting deleted...]

Bravo. Well said. Advice worth listening to. I once ranted and raved with
the best of them, but have, as of late, decided to sit back and watch what
happens. As long as CBM does well elsewhere and doesn't totally drop all
support in the States, I shall continue to use their machines. 

Having an MS-DOS machine in my home for awhile now, and a fairly well
outfitted one at that, has shown me just how much of a pain in the a$$ they
really are...



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From: stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!
Date: 9 Aug 92 02:52:08 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

A3000T/25/200 for $5500??????? What planet? The price I've seen is $3699.96...

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-- FullTime Grad Student, PartTime Amiga Salesman, PartTime Amiga Developer
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From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:18:34 GMT

nyberg@ctron.com (Jason William Nyberg) writes:


(snipp)

>Mr. Schwartz is about to join: The Few... the Proud... the Killfile Entries!
>Banished... To the Phantom Zone/Twilight Zone/Forbidden zone... take your
>pick.  To remain until a sufficient number of followups to reasonable articles
>cross my screen.  I have been here a long time, and I remember when Mike supported
>Amiga.  I also understand his current attitude (towards Commodore.)
>Mike, you ought to re-read this entire post,  from the first entry in the 
>thread to this one.  Then think about whether your addition was really
>neccessary.  I know this one wasn't, but I hardly ever post, so I don't
>feel guilty.  Your posts have taken on a distinct Mark Barret ((tm) The
>concept, not the person)  odor, and it's time to sprinkle the Carpet Fresh
>over c.s.a.a

>You should have an -MS- somewhere in your .sig.

>-> This is ridiculous, isn't it?

>This is comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.  What do you expect? :)

>-- 
>Jason Nyberg                Amiga... The Eagle Talon of Computers
>nyberg@ctron.com

>"Work is the curse of the drinking class"      W. C. Feilds

Have you thought about it a little bit why a guy like Mike, one of
the biggest Amiga fanatics on this channel, has changed his opinion ?
I don't know if you're a commercial developer, if not, you should
know that he(and me,i guess so:-B) has a better inside view about
new developments and some really bad decisions behind the curtain.
All this has disappointed him a lot(the same with me) so you should
see it from this viewpoint that it's only his disappointment
with CBM's latest decision....


Regards...


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 *Commo shouldn't sell what they think the customer need. *
 *They should sell what the customer thinks he wants!     *
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Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Cheer Up
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:48:47 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Aug12.201941.848@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>Amigas aren't much fun anymore.  Games and demos have lost their touch
>because of the comparitively low screen and color resolutions.
>This happens when a system like the Amiga stagnates.  Things that were a lot
>of fun years ago are boring now...

	Here's a quick note to say that SOME of us still find the Amiga
fascinating, fun, and powerful enough for serious work.  Colors and
resolution are only 2 aspects of a computer, though Marc thinks they are the
most important (as many of us have heard over and over and over during the
past 5 years).  Personally, I think a great OS and user interface are
more important.

>I have basically been limited to using my Amiga as a dumb terminal...

	No wonder you aren't having fun.

                                                        Dan

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: sofware piracy & soft
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:50:45 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


DH>In article <1992Aug16.003218.25242@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:

DH>Nintendo controls the manufacture and pricing of all their cartridges.  I
DH>imagine, if they're making any money in the business, Sega and Atari do
DH>likewise.

 Nintendo along with a number of other companies have been fined for 'fixing'
pricing on their products. Recently a big distrubutor (Beam-scope) in our
area was also fined for trying to set prices on Nintendo products.

DH>Computer software is a free market, game software isn't.  Anyone can write a
DH>program of any quality and sell it for any price.  You don't need MS's
DH>permission to write a Windows program or C='s permission to write an Amiga
DH>program.  You not only need Nintendo's permission to release a NES game,
DH>but they have to make it for you and they tell you what it costs and how
DH>much you get to make on it.  That's where they make their money -- the console
DH>is sold at around cost in most markets.  That's the whole reason Nintendo
DH>did so well.  NES wasn't any better than other 8-bit game boxes, but they were
DH>the first to figure out how to make money on the carts.  You know, just like
DH>the razor blade folks, you give away the razor to sell blades.  Atari and the
DH>others got beat up on the hardware for price and the software for quality,
DH>since games houses could easily outprogram them for each class of game.

 Agreed with you here, Nintendo was smart enough to give away the systems
to make money on the carts. Atari and Sega tried to make money on the systems.
You don't really need premission from Nintendo to write a nintendo game. The
major difference with Nintendo and Computer companies is they charge a very
large fee for becoming a developer. 

DH>Well, consumers don't have to buy games consoles.  You seem to have a real good
DH>argument for game computers here.  You ultimately don't care much about the cost
DH>of the console, since the cost of the software will outrun the cost of the
DH>console severalfold before you're off to bigger and better toys.  The games
DH>consoles trick the consumer with low introductory pricing, but get them on the
DH>incremental cart costs.  Computers are just the opposite -- you have to pay
DH>more for an A600 than an SNES or Gemini, but most games are much cheaper.
DH>--
DH>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
DH>   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
DH> "Work like a horse, drink like a fish"        - Psychefunkapus
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From: cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released!  No more rumor...
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:49:57 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:



>FWIW, As a consumer, I think it would be great if Atari, or anyone else,
>came out with an incredible computer with a killer OS for a net cost of
>$700. I'd buy it in a heart beat, I have no excessively zealous loyalty
>to any computer system. It just seems incredibly unlikely given the
>specs of the Falcon and the development history of the OS it will run,
>that the Falcon will be such a machine.

Heck if that's all you want check out some of the for.sale groups. You can 
pick up an AT&T 7300 or 3B2 for that kind of money and they will come with 
your favorite OS already installed. Of course you may have to sacrifice a few 
things like your time and possibly your sanity, but hey!

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Canton MI USA planet Earth           Compuserve 75266.353
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Sim Earth (was Re: Cheer Up)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:43:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.013451.8569@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>How are the graphics compared (using 640X480 VGA in Windows)?  Are any
>of the features different?

From what I've seen of the Windows, DOS, Mac and Amiga versions, it appears
that the game is fundamentally the same, with embellishments based on the
intended platform and the design team. The DOS VGA version is limited to 16
colours, so it is quite similar to the Amiga implementation. With Windows,
you gain some degree of multitasking and the presentation is arguably much
better (I personally don't like customized DOS GUIs, although Borland is
an exception). It's really quite amazing how additional colour contributes
to the look-and-feel, even at equal resolutions. It would appear that the
Amiga version was modelled more closely after Windows, as it is designed
specifically for 2.0. Oddly enough, the documentation for the DOS version
uses screenshots from the Mac.

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:46:04 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Aug18.164701.17958@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>
>>What X11 server are you using on the PC?  We're looking getting into that - it
>>would be ok for casual users who don't need a dedicated terminal.  I'd prefer a
>>server that runs under Windows so that I could have multiple X sessions along
>>side DOS and Windows apps.  Such an environment would make the PCs almost
>>reasonable!   :-)
>>
>
>I was actually talking about the PC UNIX version of X11, not a DOS-based
>X server.  For PC UNIX, there is a fantastic version of X11.5 on the
>Internet, called X386 1.2E.  Excellent support for most SVGA cards, including
>special ET4000 speedups.  SVR4 binaries are available.

Does the ET4000 chipset have any advantages over the S3 chipset for X11
speedups?


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		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Nolan Bushnell, CDTV, and The Discovery Channel
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:42:21 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

"Invention" which airs at 9:00 pm Eastern Time on Tuesday nights had a segment
on Nolan Bushnell tonight.  They gave a brief background, including PONG and
Chuck E. Cheese, and went on to talk about CDTV.  Yes, it was mentioned by
name, and the C= logo on the exhibit booth was prominently displayed.  C=
was presented as the manufacturer of Bushnell's idea.  CDTV motion video was
displayed, but I wasn't all that impressed.

Overall, the segment was a good boost for CDTV (although the "A" word was
never mentioned), and I'm sure it didn't hurt Bushnell's ego either.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: monty@sagpd1 ()
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Reply-To: monty@sagpd1.UUCP (Monty Saine)
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Government Products Div, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.184937.21779@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>: CDTV is dead is logical with the fact and for me is a good thing because i

    As a registered developer I will say this, I just received a request
    from C= to apply as a CDTV developer. If C= was killing the CDTV do you
    think they would be pushing for new developers.?

>
>You can't defend that post, there's nothing there worth defending.
>Marc has his good days of posts, and his bad days.  This is the worst
>day for Marc Barrett I've seen in a long time.  He's never been that
>careless and thoughtless.  Not before, anyways.

	Well there was the time he (MB) wanted Gould dead.....

>
>: How do you explain Toaster not fitting in 3000, is it possible than NewTek 
>
>IT IS NEWTEK'S FAULT.  Period.  The 3000 follows the form factor C=
>set aside to use in Zorro specifications.  The 3000 has room for that
>and just a little bit more.  The 2000 has room for that and a LOT
>more.  Rather than designing it with the specification, they used the
>available space in the 2000, obviously more than what they should
>have.  They must have figured that C= was just kidding when they said
>not to make it bigger than this by this and gave them room for that
>and more in the 2000.
>

This was confirmed by NewTek, they did not want to spend additional time
to make it conform to specs. That's probably why they made the deal with
C= to re-sell A2000's with NewTeks name on them as toaster stations.

>
>: Why your opinion is good about CBM, Apple has never announced Apple III, Lisa
>: or IIgs is dead. Is PC Junior is dead?

	Did Apple or IBM offer to buy back discontinued models like C= did?


	The point is anyone who blindly beleives Mark Barrett with out other
	HARD FACTS is on very thin ice. Mark likes to be heard from, some even
	in the past felt he was really and AI program designed to test reactions
	to net postings ( I still wonder about that one ), what ever the case,
	MB is very hard to beleive in and has a very limited credibility.

	Monty Saine

	Of course that is only my opinion...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re:  Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:38:04 GMT

In article <34298@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>In article <root.02ah@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>But CBM would still be making CPM clones and C64's. Ughh!
>
>Actually, I think that instead C= would have gotten into IBM PC clones 
>in a real big way;  it fits in well with the kind of things that C= knew 
>how to do at that time.

   They may also have successfully gotten into UNIX workstations six years
before the development of the A3000UX.  I do not remember all of the details,
but Commodore had a Z8000-based UNIX system around 1985 with a nice 800x600
monochrome display, with a price tag of around $3500 (cheap for workstations
with such resolutions at that time).  I also remember that the first litigation
between Commodore and Atari right after Jack Tramiel took over Atari involved
this workstation and not the Amiga (as is commonly believed).  Were it not
for the Amiga, Commodore might have put more marketing and development into
this system.

>andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy
>
>"The good news is that there is a program for the PC that converts between
> 300 different graphics file formats.  The bad news is that it's needed."
>
>Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
>I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

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     "Beware the ides of September..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re: DREAM TEAM ==> Lynx, Falcon, Jaguar
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.145249.1@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>
>Hmm. IMHO, none of the Amigas is significantly different from each other
>(except CPU type, housing, and tiny little bits). None of the ST's is
>very different from each other, either. Still, are the original Amiga
>team still working for Commodore? After all, they made the "hard
>work" for Amiga. There is nothing special in doing IBM clones. Then,
>Falcon is going to be very different from the STs. And it was designed by
>Atari engineers. Of course, Commodore possibly has some new things to
>show, but I don't know about them, so I still think they just change
>some bits here and some bits there in the original non-Commodore Amiga design.
>
>
>					Jouni Alkio

There is something to be said about having the models constructed in a similar
fashion.  What can be said about it can be summed up in a single word and that
is "COMPATIBILITY".   Also, although the graphics on the A3000 look the same
as the graphics on the A2000 and A500, which have 16-bit data busses for      
graphics, the A3000 has a full 32-bit graphics bus.  This means that future
custom chips for the A3000 will have capabilities which far exceed those of the
A500 and A2000, unless a third party comes up with a retrofit.  Those "little-
tiny-bits" as you call them make alot of difference.  In addition the A3000
also has a full 32-bit architechture.

As for Commodore not creating the Amiga...  Well, let's just say that Atari
was very eager to buy Amiga, Inc out,  but C= made them a better offer.  It's 
true that C= didn't design the original Amiga, that's why you don't see the 
word "Commodore" on it anywhere.  

The current Amigas are very different from the A1000.  Alot of the internal
circuitry has been changed, but the functionality of the machine is the same.
This, as I said before, is to keep the Amigas compatible with each other.
You should try comparing the schematics from the A2000 to those of the A1000.
They are entirely different.  You can't change the hardware too much or you
will loose downward compatibility.

As for the FALCON being a very different machine from the ST.  You can bet
your butt that the FALCON will not be compatible with the ST at all.  And if
it is it will likely not be 100% compatible.

 

 
-- 
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**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:48:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.105449.22906@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>As an aside, do we know for CERTAIN that the 040 3000T still has the
>ECS chipset? 

   Yes, we know for certain that the '040 A3000T uses the ECS.  Why?  Because
this machine is an officially released product, and the Commodore people and
Amiga developers are still not talking about any future technologies and
chipsets.  If this machine did not use the ECS, the wraps on the chipset that
it did use would be off.

>-- 
>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 

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       "Beware the ides of September..."
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:42:47 CDT

>In <1992Aug18.143043.1@woods.ulowell.edu> edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>Gee...I never needed to be able to do that when I was using my Apple ][+
>while in school.  So, someone might need to hand write a symbol or two, 
>big  deal.  As long as the equation is correct in the homework, does it
>really matter how it got put on the paper???

It matters to me whether it's hand scribbled in or 300 DPI laser printed.
Sheesh...  your argument is pretty silly -- who NEEDS computers, anyway?
We could just hand write reports forever and ever.. who NEEDS WYSIWYG?
The original point is that other computers (PCs and Macs running MS-Word,
for instance) have a lot of features that the Amiga doesn't -- and it's
not due to inadequate hardware for the Amiga!

>How many people really NEED special symbols?  See PageStream if you need
>oddities, and if they aren't there, use the tool box to draw your own. :>

I know a graduate student who just finished his thesis.  That thesis
NEEDED special symbols... there's vector calculus all over the place!
Sure, he _could_ have written all of those in by hand, but I but he'd
fight tooth and nail before you could drag him away from MS-Word!

						---Joel Kolstad
From: griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:18:47 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Life inprisonment isn't turning the other cheek.  It's also not
>murder.  The death penalty is.

Wrong...the death penalty is punishment for the 'murder'--unlawful taking
of an innocent life--that the perpetrator commited.

>That's all I'm trying to say.  I'm not saying that it doesn't work.
>I'm saying its immoral and it's not right.

And I'm saying you're wrong.
-- 
Dan Griffin
griffin@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:06:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.012556.2429@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>heh heh, but the day you show me that 040-33 Amiga, I'll haul up 
>an Intel 80486DX2-66Mhz machine.. :) :) :)

It's not likely to be that much faster, depending on cache hit rates.  The
DX2-66 still has only a 33 MHz interface to ram, as does the 040-33.  The 040
at that speed would beat the 486 on simple floating point, but probably not on
transcendentals.

The DX2-66 would be faster than an 040-33, sure, but it's not like it would
blow it out of the water, and certainly not on fp intensive stuff.  Performance
would be near enough that other architectural issues would matter more.  How
fast would the expansion bus on that DX2-66 machine be?


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