HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.society.cu-digest
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:23:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BvvEtL.CrF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
>rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:
>
>> What's the story with this group?  I see rmgroups and newgroups for it.
>
>It has been replaced by comp.society.cu-digest.  I can see no obvious 
>reason for newgroups, besides someone being obnoxious.

Two words: Boris Becker.

Two more words: Don't bother.

A whole string of words with punctuation and stuff: He newgroups all
the alt.groups that get rmgrouped. Learn to live with it or learn to
work around it, because he's been doing it for awhile.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (This has been an attempt to keep the same ol' flamefest from
cropping up again)
-- 
"Am I a drunken loon? Whoo! Whoo!"        | pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
     -- David Letterman                   |  [Not a UCSD employee]
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:08:56 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

> I recalled that a Cthulhu oriented group had been proposed in alt.config
> some time back but had never been created and I reopened the discussion,
> noting that there seemed to be considerable interest in Cthulhu as
> evidenced by the invasion of the a.f.g feed, and of course the usual
> control fanatics spoke up and said "under no circumstances should you
> create this group.  use a kill-file, goddamnit." 

The control fanatics only have control if you give it to them.  If you
want alt.cthulhu to be created, create the group.  If nobody will create
the group, use a killfile to get rid of the Cthulhu posts.  If you don't
have software that supports killfiles, get software that supports
killfiles.  If your site admin won't set it up, find another site. 

The net doesn't *owe* you anything, Joel . . . if something's not working
the way you want it to, it's up to *you* to do what has to be done to fix
it.  Stop expecting some kind of Network Arbiter Of Truth And Justice to
pop up from behind a curtain and make everything hunky-dory for you.

> If the ultimate answer to off-topic invaders in your newsgroup is "use a
> killfile" then for Christ's sake, what do we have newsgroup charters for?

Is it really the "ultimate" answer?  Have you done *anything* about the
problem but complain about it to the net?  Have you emailed the Cthulhu-
heads telling them to stop?  When they ignored you, did you email their
admins explaining that they had users onsite who were intentionally
violating a newsgroup's charter?  What happened then?  Does a.f.g-s even
*have* a formal charter?  If they're doing this just to annoy you, what
makes you think creating a new newsgroup will solve the problem? 

Sometines I think the net needs a Prime Directive.  "Rule #1: DEAL WITH IT."

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar)
Subject: re: use a KILLFILE
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:56:10 GMT

In article <9210071818.AA22918@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
> I recalled that a Cthulhu oriented group had been proposed in alt.config some
> time back but had never been created and I reopened the discussion, noting
> that there seemed to be considerable interest in Cthulhu as evidenced by the
> invasion of the a.f.g feed, and of course the usual control fanatics spoke up
> and said "under no circumstances should you create this group.  use a kill-
> file, goddamnit."

Why do I have difficulty believing this?  Very rarely does
anyone say "under no circumstances"...certainly not in the
alt hierarchy.  (When they do, they're promptly ignored.)
 
> I don't really care what the people who keep posting about it being up to me
> if I want to drive without windshield wipers.  The analogy doesn't apply.

It does.  However, like any model, it's not the reality.  I
don't understand why you seem to want to deny any connection
between the model and the reality.

> All we wanted in this case was to create an alt.fan.cthulhu group so the
> morons would have someplace to go post.  It is *not* the responsibility of the
> victim group to wear blinders so they don't notice the invaders.   Aha, you
> say, there's a line I can quote out of Joel's message and compose some witty
> reply to!  Wrong.  Read on.

Do you honestly think that giving them an alternate place
to post will get rid of them?!  Are you really that naive?
I hope not.  

I suspect that most of the offending posters are doing what 
they're doing merely to get attention.  If they had a place
of their own, they probably wouldn't get *nearly* as much
attention there as they would posting to another group off-
topic.  Think about it.

> If the ultimate answer to off-topic invaders in your newsgroup is "use a
> killfile" then for Christ's sake, what do we have newsgroup charters for?

The ultimate answer to off-topic invaders is to ignore them.
Without attention, the majority will go away.  The easiest
way to ignore something is to put it in your kill file.  If
you do not have such an automated tool, do it manually.



Personally, I don't oppose the creation of alt.(fan.)cthulhu, 
*iff* there is enough legitimate traffic to warrant it.  I'm
just tired of hearing the fact that someone is being annoyed
as a reason for its creation.  It isn't.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
Maxime Taksar              KC6ZPS           mmt@RedBrick.COM
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Update on alt.politics.* groups
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:38:19 GMT

Why start these newgroups now, with less than three weeks before the election?
And couldn't all these candidates be served by one group called, perhaps:
alt.politics[.us].minor-party ?

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer)
Subject: We must have alt.lemurs or alt.fan.lemurs!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:14:47 GMT

      My friends, the time has come.  Lemurs have been treated as second-
class citizens for far too long now.  It is time for the creation of a
new group, named alt.lemurs or alt.fan.lemurs, to properly discuss and
promote lemur issues.  There is no appropriate forum on USENET to talk 
about Old World primates with foxlike muzzles, the exploits of the legendary
Rudolpho and Nigel, and the traits of National Geographic photographers.
      There exist several schools of philosophical thought concerning 
lemurs, but very little communication takes place between these groups.
We must unite and stand for the principles all lemurs hold dear!  The time
of oppression is past, and we must claim the newsgroup that is our destiny!
Only in this way can lemurs get the respect that is afforded to cows and
lemmings.  We will continue the fight for lemur rights, and join in
procuring rights for the wombat and groundhog.  With your support, there
is nothing that can stop us.

Vance Kochenderfer
Virginia Tech                     |         "Frink!"
vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu            |           -Rudolpho the Lemur
Xref: sparky alt.config:6271 alt.music.alternative:12971 alt.thrash:1626 rec.music.industrial:11885
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash,rec.music.industrial
Subject: CERATE alt.guitar.hardcore (was In article <1992Oct16.113639.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:51:29 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland


|> A "hardcore" group as such is hardly needed.  Hardcore can be applied to many
|> different styles of music - hardcore punk, harcore metal, harcore techno, etc. 
|> Hardcore techno belongs in alt.rave, hardcore metal in alt.metal.heavy and/or
|> alt.thrash (which are starting to look quite similar these days I notice).  But
|> as I have said before, there is no group alt.music.punk or alt.music.grunge and
|> no real place for discussions of such things in other groups.  True, the
|> mailing lists are there, but I have enough trouble with my disk quota just
|> subscribing to one list - two and my SysAdmin is going to be comingafter me
|> with a big gun.
|> 
|> So: 1) Would someone like to set these groups up?
|>     2) Would they like to set them up in the alt.music.* heirarchy or
|>        the alt.rock-n-roll.* hierarachy?
|> 
|> alt.music.grunge   and
|> alt.music.punk
|> 
|> OR
|> 
|> alt.rock-n-roll.grunge and
|> alt.rock-n-roll.punk
|> 
|> I look forward to seeing them as the result of the efforts of some kind
|>  News Administrator.

The distinction between Grunge and other related sounds from hard guitarbands has 
dissappeared. What is Helmet, Melvins, Therapy? ? Hardly what I, nor many people
working at our local radio station, call Grunge. Guitar hardcore encompasses Grunge.
Mudhoney, TAD, and Monkeywrench are grunge bands. Where do you fit Soundgarden?
Heavy metal I suppose? Well they don't consoder themselves Heavy metal. What about
bands like Ministry, Skrew and Malhavoc? Industrial-Hardcore? 
How about Lard, Neurosis, Nomeansno, Les thugs, Babes in Toyland, Silverfish?
None of these bands is either Punk or Grunge according to my definition. Why exclude
them? 

Alt.guitar.hardcore is a broad category that presently doesn't exist. Why should 
the many people who like this style of guitar music, which is played hard, be subjected
to scouring three or four other music groups and searching through all the uninteresting
posts to get information on some band which could be considered "Hardcore".

Can some Kind news administrator please CREATE alt.guitar.hardcore. Or do I need a petition.

I have alot of mailed support for this proposal. Do I need to post it?


GO ALT.GUITAR.HARDCORE!!!!!!!

Mark.
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.society.cu-digest
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:12:01 CDT
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) writes:

> In article <rich.718657531@pencil>
> 	rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:
> >What's the story with this group?  I see rmgroups and newgroups for it.
> 
> That's because Bruce Becker gets a hardon whenever he sees a rmgroup
> issued in the alt hierarchy.  I won't participate in his silly little
> games.  The alt.society.cu-digest newsgroup is dead and has been
> superceded by comp.society.cu-digest.

I'm not sure Becker is behind this one.  Bruce's newgroups typically
looked legitimate, if misguided.  But the newgroup I just saw come
through for alt.society.cu-digest was simply a copy of Chip's rmgroup,
with the Control: and Subject: lines edited.

Does this technique sound familiar?  I looked at the Path:, too, and it
looked remarkably like the path seen in the ongoing newgroups for
alt.graphics.  I suppose the newgroup twit has found another target.
How long until the body of the message gets piped through travesty?
--
Roy M. Silvernail, System Administrator       |      roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu
The Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, Minnesota  |      root%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu
                  [I don't read news from the root account]
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: re: proposal for alt.lemurs
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:31:27 GMT

It's been pointed out to me that we don't need any more top-level groups
in the alt. net than we already have, and thus it'd probably be a better
idea to name the lemurs newsgroup alt.fan.lemurs or alt.org.lemur-fandom.
I guess I agree... although I've heard that many news administrators 
don't rush to carry alt.fan groups.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: poris@nosc.mil (Marc S. Poris)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.dis
Keywords: Idea.  Good.  Euler.  BAM.
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:06:47 GMT

We definitely need a Distributed Interactive Simulation newsgroup.  Lots
of important things can be discussed, such as:

- What is a 720 degree right turn?

- Does the main Stealth that will be used for the I/ITSC demo show
  the Entity Marking field on each model?

- How can a simulator play on a network along with a previously data logged
  session that contains PDU's from the same simulator?  Will the entity id's
  conflict?

- etc...

The newsgroup definitely doesn't belong in the alt hierarchy (we had to
get alt.config turned on at our site), but it's a start.

- Marc Poris
  NCCOSC RDT&E Division - Code 432
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: reposting of call for alt.fan.lemurs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:32:31 GMT

I still think it should be alt.fan.furry.lemurs, having never seen a lemur
without fur.  Is there some sort of feud between furry fans and lemur fans?
Why do the submission guidelines for _Furrlough_ magazine say "no lemurs"?

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: killfile
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:30:36 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:

> Mike, go fuck yourself. 
>
> It's even worse manners to assume that everyone has the time and the
> money to go out and buy their own computer and modem and outfit it with
> their own newsfeed. 

If they don't have the time or money to arrance a better setup that's
tough luck for them.  Nobody owes you the net service you want, unless
you're paying for it and it's been promised to you.  If you're
dissatisfied with the service you get from your current site, it's *your*
responsibility to improve things for yourself, not theirs. 

Do you also hang around bookstores and tell the employees that it's bad
manners for them to expect customers to pay for the books instead of just
reading them in the store?  If you don't like the books available to you
at the public library, by all means ask the librarian to try and get the
ones you want . . . but if they can't or won't, go buy your own damned book.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Xref: sparky alt.config:6240 rec.music.industrial:11809 alt.music.alternative:12854 alt.thrash:1602
From: cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.music.hardcore (etc)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:59:10 GMT
Organization: Music Maniancs Unlimited

c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.172046.2887@tellab5.tellabs.com>, pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct11.203953.13469@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> dabrown@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>>>     Check out alt.skinhead.
>> *-----------*
>> 
>> The music discussed in alt.skinheads is mainly ska, which bears no
>> resemblence to hardcore.
>> 
>> The music discussed in alt.thrash is mainly the different varieties of
>> heavy metal, which bear no resemblence to hardcore.
>> 
>> There is a mailing list which deals with punk/HC music, the punk-list, and
>> there is a mailing list which deals which the straight-edge sub-genre of
>> hardcore music, sxex-list.  Is there a reason that a newsgroup is needed?
>> 
>Fair enough question, but mailing lists can be a right pain in the neck with a
>limited disk quota student account - you spend masses of online time trying to
>clean up your disk-space; you miss messages when your file overflows because
>you neglected to check your mail for one day and so on.

	Granted. I mean, I get close to 500-600 pieces of mail a day
thru lists. And, there are other reasons not to have a mailing list
(administrative, people paying for mail, etc...). However, I'm not
sure if these problems outway the benefits. 

>Also a newsgroup is far more accessable to people just interested in
>browsing through what people have to say on a topic without having to
>cope with the hassles of the above mentioned factors.  Some poor souls
>also have no Email access.  A newsgroup tend to reach a wider
>audience.  People keep quoting stats at me which show that thousands
>of people read some groups out of interest while only a couple of
>dozen regularly post.

	As far as your news statistics, you are quite correct. And
newsfroups might be read by more people than mailing lists. BUT, many
more people have e-mail than they do news. And, many people with news
don't use it. 
  
>An alt.music.punk and an alt.music.grunge would be good to have, especially
>considering the number of alt.metal.* groups around and groups devoted to a
>single band while these encompass broad categories.

	I think we should just reorganize what we have, and then see
where we get. As stated, punk could take over thrash, thrash moves to
metal, etc... And, the original posters version of Hardcore is QUITE
diverse (at least in terms of Usenet definitions). In fact, Hardcore
ecompassed the following newsgroups: r.m.misc, r.m.i, a.rnr.metal*
alt.m.alternative. I don't see a pressing need. However, if this
doesn't work (or if people are unwilling to try this), I'm not against
the group.

Cousin It                           cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
"Forgive and Forget, Fuck No, I'm talking about a revolution"
                  COC "Vote With A Bullet"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer)
Subject: Re: We must have alt.lemurs or alt.fan.lemurs!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.003137.1927@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.211447.11566@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer) writes:
>>      My friends, the time has come.  Lemurs have been treated as second-
>>class citizens for far too long now.  
>       ^^^^^^^^
>Second-class CITIZENS? I don't know what planet you're from, but 'round
>here lemurs generally aren't given citizenship status. Of course, if you'd
>like to get that changed, America *is* a democracy...

Most lemurs have Madagascar citizenship.  All lemurs in this country are
here as illegal aliens, unless kept in a zoo.  One more way The Man is
oppressing lemurs.
>
>>We must unite and stand for the principles all lemurs hold dear!  
>
>What principles? How do you DARE insinuate that *ALL* lemurs share a
>common moral thread? This kind of broad, sweeping generalization is going
>to get you in read trouble, buck-o. You can't just put a label on "all"
>lemurs, putting them all under one metaphorical umbrella. There ARE
>special-interest groups you know.

The principles of drinking Big K Grape Soda, swinging from dining room
ceiling lamps, watching National Geographic photographers, and saying
deep things like "frink" and "ptang."

Vance Kochenderfer
Virginia Tech                     |   "Trust me, I know what I'm doing"
vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu            |                     -Sledge Hammer
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: re-newgrouping
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:40:17 GMT

In article <9210140607.AA14510@news.cis.ohio-state.edu> FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>I've been asked by some people at a site which has newsgroup problems
>to ask for a re-newgrouping of the rec.games.mud.* groups, and also
>the following alt. groups:
>
>alt.fan.paws
What is that?  Anything like alt.fan.furry?  Should we also newgroup
alt.fan.wet-nose and alt.fan.bushy-tail? :)
>alt.angst.xibo.sex
Doesn't that already exist?  If not, just post to alt.religion.xibology.





Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.pugwash
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:44:41 GMT

How about 'alt.org.pugwash'? Just 'alt.pugwash' by itself sounds like
'alt.whine'.

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "Yow! Up ahead! It's a DONUT HUT!!"
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.religion.kibology,alt.culture.usenet
From: spackman@disco-sol.dfki.uni-sb.de (Stephen Spackman)
Subject: Re: not everybody reads USENET
Reply-To: stephen@acm.org
Organization: DFKI Saarbruecken GmbH, D-W 6600 Saarbruecken
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:31:24 GMT
	<1992Oct10.215104.10610@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <Bvy4FM.Kxy@world.std.com>

In article <Bvy4FM.Kxy@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
|In article <1992Oct10.215104.10610@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
|>billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
|>
|>>kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
|>>: In article <BvrAso.2tD@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|>>: >So what?
|>>: 
|>>: I don't read Usenet either.  I just post.
|>
|>>Yeah. Who wants to read what these idiots write anyway. It is more fun
|>>to post and see what sort of reaction occurs. 
|>
|>Maybe he ment that he doesn't read all the messages...I DO NOT READ
|>all the messages..>I make it my business to read all the messages, except
|>from people with more then two x's or z'z in the first name...<
|
|No, I meant that I don't read ANY messages, not even followups to my own ones.

Not even subconsciously?

stephen
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.religion.kibology,alt.culture.usenet
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: not everybody reads USENET
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21:51:04 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>: In article <BvrAso.2tD@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>: >So what?
>: 
>: I don't read Usenet either.  I just post.

>Yeah. Who wants to read what these idiots write anyway. It is more fun
>to post and see what sort of reaction occurs. 

>Hm. Kibo, do you have a script that keeps track of the byte volume that
>occurs in response to your postings? If you do, I would like to get hold
>of it. It might be interesting to see the relationship between the original
>volume and the volume of the responses that it triggers.

>Bill


Maybe he ment that he doesn't read all the messages...I DO NOT READ
all the messages..>I make it my business to read all the messages, except
from people with more then two x's or z'z in the first name...<

Hah
--
           Marshal Perlman <> Florida Institute of Technology 
                    ***** perlman@zach.fit.edu ***** 
               Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land

Newsgroups: alt.config,news.misc