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From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re: 3270 APPI on RS/6000?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:51:51 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <150910001@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> slw@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Scott Watson) writes:
>There are apparently programs available to accomplish this.
>However, I am not familiar with what is avaiable for the RS/6000.

IBM's x3270 3270 emulator for X windows includes a HLAPPI library
for getting stuff out of 3270-based applications. We had it for a
trial on Suns and liked it pretty well, but couldn't afford to
keep it.

I played a little bit with the HLAPPI stuff, and it seemed
workable, if a little arcane. X3270 is available for Suns, HP
7xx's and RS/6000s.





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From: jweiner@bbn.com (Jerrold Weiner)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re: IBM 3725 LIC specify codes
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:39:27 GMT
Reply-To: jweiner@mikey.bbn.com (Jerrold Weiner)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Hi,

	I can think of a few thinags to check.

	1) On the LINE statement ADDRESS=(xxx,FULL) ==between NCP & Modem

	2) On the Line statement DUPLEX=FUll  >> this is for the telephone line

	3) On the PU DATMODE=FULL OR HALF   >>for Remote modem to remote PU
			All PU2's are half all PU4's are Full

	
	Also make sure you know whether teh Modem or the 3725/3174's are doing
	the clocking of line.

	Hope this helps!

Jerry Weiner
From: TAVARNF@IMIHSRA.BITNET (Flavio Tavarnelli)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Laser printer IBM 3812
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:32:10 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hi,
Does anyone know how connect a laser printer 3812 to a FEP 3745-210?

Now we have the printer connected to a 3725 with BSC line
configured into NCP (V4R3.1) with parameter TYPE=EP and it work.
Now we have to connect the printer to the 3745-210 without EP.
Thanks for your help.

Tavarnelli Flavio
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Subject: Re: BM mainframe protocols?
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:27:21 CDT

The FTP server I am trying to reach wants only registered sites, and the
PCs here at MIZZOU are not in the registration, nor can they be added (for
some reason not sufficeintly explained to me but beyond my control).
So, all FTPing must occur via modem to the mainframe.
  So, am I helpless? hopeless? or hapless?
 
Jeoff Hines      c556212@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu
From: SNORMO@MVS.SAS.COM ("919 Mike Oatsvall 677-8000 X7605")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: IBM 3725 LIC specify codes
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:52:00 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Netters,
Maybe there are still some SNA type folks that look at this list.
I'm having trouble converting a 9.6kb HDX line to 19.2 FDX. I've made
the required NCP changes, but it does not work. I've noticed in the
configuration guide that different line speeds/type have different
specify codes.  Does anybody know what these specify codes actually
mean? Is it just a way of accounting for scanner weight or are they
physically and/or electrically different?
I've never posted to this list before, if there is a better place
please let me know. As always, thanks for any assistance.
-Mike Oatsvall

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From: dandrews@bilver.uucp (Dave Andrews)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re: IBM mainframe protocols?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:47:42 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

In article <1685EA386.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
> 
>Does anyone out there know where I can get a transfer protocol for my local
>MAINFRAME, an IBM 3090, that will let me do x modem, y, or z modem, or
>even sealink?  Anything but this slow, unreliable KERMIT!

I can't really help you out in your quest for something new, but don't
be too harsh on Kermit.  I expect that most of your performance problems
have to do with the fact that your mainframe link is half-duplex 
(whether you are connected via NTO, Hydra, what-have-you).  This means
that sliding windows protocols can't work, whether it's Kermit's
or somebody else's.

I'm a satisfied user of John Chandler's TSO-Kermit.  No, it's not a
real barn-burner-performer, but it does get the job done.

- David Andrews
  dandrews@bilver.oau.org
From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: IBM mainframe protocols?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:37:42 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri


 
Does anyone out there know where I can get a transfer protocol for my local
MAINFRAME, an IBM 3090, that will let me do x modem, y, or z modem, or
even sealink?  Anything but this slow, unreliable KERMIT!
 
     I have seen rz and sz for vax z-modem, but I'm not on a VAX.
  PLease help me.   (c556212@MIZZOU1.missouri.eu)  mail.
From: stritzi@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peer Stritzinger)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re: IBM PC LAN Program Version 1.34 and DOS compatibility
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:59:32 GMT
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

Using debug to patch version number checking?

This is what SETVER is supposed to do.

I saw that setver for IBM DOS 5.0 has a different table in it than
MS DOS 5.0, but the table can be altered using the setver command.

Let me know if this helped.

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From: alex@MACADAM.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU (Alex Kay)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re:  Apple SNAps APPC Programming
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

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From: MARTINHER@URVAX.BITNET (HERB MARTIN)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Apple SNAps APPC Programming
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:34:00 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Is anyone familiar with MACAPP (or other languange) programming an
Apple SNAPS APPC interface to CICS APC MVS hosts?  Are any of you
using any of these products or interfaces?

I see that Apple sells a SNAps developer's kit and documentation as
well as a SNAps Gateway that should run on our token ring MACs.  This
seems to be the kit for doing APPC programming to an SNA host.

Any issue or advice  will be appreciated.

Herb Martin
martinher@urvax.urich.edu
From: DAVE@NUNS.ACNS.NWU.EDU (David Moslander)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Subscription
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:16:41 GMT
Reply-To: davidm@nwu.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Northwestern University - ACNS
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:31:35 CST6CDT

Please unsubscribe me, thank you.

David Moslander
davidm@nwu.edu
davidm@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu

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From: MARTINHER@URVAX.BITNET (HERB MARTIN)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: LANRES and MVS
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Anyone experienced with LANRES (Novell container file on a mainframe) or
have any plans to use it?

Anyone doing X-ZEE (cross Z) communications?

Herb Martin
martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
From: t2101fs@sun1.LRZ-Muenchen.DE ()
Subject: 3270 APPI on RS/6000?
Keywords: 3270 appi sna rs/6000
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:45:05 GMT

I'd like to access data on an IBM host from a RS/6000. Host and RS/6000 are
connected via SNA.

I need the data in an application running on the RS/6000. The only way to do
this is to emulate 3270 in this application.

How can this be done? Is there an APPI?

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
From: ccg@tcdsp1.mmm.com ("Charles Ganzhorn")
Subject: Re: IBM mainframe protocols?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:18:28 GMT

Why not put it on your IP network?

Charles.
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From: LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU (Leonard Boyle)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: re: ind$file running on cms reading os files
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:06:20 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook NY 11794-2400

We have a user that is link to an MVS disk from cms. They are trying to
use IND$FILE to transfer an sequential file from the OS-disk to their
PC.

The problem is that they do not know the DD to use to connect the IND$FILE
program with the input file. Can anyone help with this info.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
From: campbell@uranus.upl.com (Dave Campbell)
Subject: LU6.2 success stories?
Keywords: LU6.2 APPC SNA
Reply-To: campbell@uranus.upl.com (Dave Campbell)
Organization: PacifiCorp Electric Ops, Utah Power & Light 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:41:49 GMT

I need to communicate with our main frame computer on a application to 
application basis.  It seems that LU6.2 and APPC would fit the bill
perfectly but the powers to be don't think so. Therefore my boss wants
some testimonials to success stories.

We would be connecting to a SUN network using SUN's APPC software and
SUN's HSI/S hardware. The mainframe application program would probably
run under IMS but we would like to have the flexibility to use anything,
including coding our own VTAM macros in an application program. 

Like I say, those administering the IBM mainframe computer want nothing to
do with this and I know that we need their support for the VTAM def's
and NCP gens and that sort of stuff.

If anyone has any experiences, good or bad, with this sort of thing, I
would appreciate hearing about it.

                    thanks,
                       Dave

Dave Campbell
E-MAIL: campbell@uranus.upl.com
From: HARRY@VM.MARIST.EDU ("A. Harry Williams")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: re: ind$file running on cms reading os files
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:37:12 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: Marist College

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:06:20 EDT Leonard Boyle said:
>We have a user that is link to an MVS disk from cms. They are trying to
>use IND$FILE to transfer an sequential file from the OS-disk to their
>PC.
>
>The problem is that they do not know the DD to use to connect the IND$FILE
>program with the input file. Can anyone help with this info.

I'm not sure it can be done.  The TSO and CMS versions are separate products.

One way might be to use the FILEDEF command to re-direct a 'fn ft fm'
to a dsn.  Below is relevant portion of exec from Dave Merrifield from
U of Ark.


/* Define the OS file, and then invoke the editor */
'FILEDEF SYSIN DISK OSEDIT FILE' diskmode 'DSN' dsname
If rc^=0 then Exit rc
'XEDIT OSEDIT FILE'
'FILEDEF SYSIN CLEAR'
Exit
From: slw@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Scott Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re: 3270 APPI on RS/6000?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:06:38 GMT
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta

There are apparently programs available to accomplish this.

However, I am not familiar with what is avaiable for the RS/6000.

For HP-UX systems, a product called SNAP-IX is available.  It does full
3270 programmatic (transparent or non-transparent) emulation.  Also 
provided is the "standard" HLLAPI interface which allows programmatic
keystroke capability.

I don't if it is available for the RS/6000.  There should be something
available, especially since you are talking IBM-to-IBM.
From: marcus@cpva.saic.com (Mark Jenkins, SAIC/CIR Network Services)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Looking for SNA on a NeXT workstation
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:08:27 PST
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego

Does anyone know of any SNA/3174-3270 emulators that run on the NeXT platform? 
We have been looking at the Open Connect stuff, but the SNA/TCP/IP gateway
product doesn't provide the PU all the way to the TCP/IP workstation, and the
Open Connect products that do provide PU all the way to the workstation don't
run on the NeXT.

Ideally, we would like something like the CommLink 3270 SNA implementation for
Sun workstations...

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Mark
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:04:52 EDT
From: Peter M. Weiss <PMW1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Re: IBM 3725 LIC specify codes
Distribution: world

In article <199209101655.AA06447@mozart>, SNORMO@MVS.SAS.COM ("919 Mike Oatsvall
677-8000 X7605") says:

>Netters,
>Maybe there are still some SNA type folks that look at this list.
>I'm having trouble converting a 9.6kb HDX line to 19.2 FDX. I've made
>the required NCP changes, but it does not work. I've noticed in the
>configuration guide that different line speeds/type have different
>specify codes.  Does anybody know what these specify codes actually
>mean? Is it just a way of accounting for scanner weight or are they
>physically and/or electrically different?

It was my experience that when we raised the speed of a single modem
within the bottom (lower) part of an A-LAB above 9.6 kbps that we lost
the use of top half (4 LICs).  The LAB contained ALL type 1 LIC.  As a
matter of fact, I believe that we actually had to disconnect the top 4
LICs in order to even make use of the higher speed.  (This was a test
configuration never implemented.)

/Pete
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University Park, PA USA 16802-1202 | E. Michael Staman, _The Circuit_, Apr 92
From: KIMWAH@ITIVAX.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: RE: IBM PC LAN Program Version 1.34 and DOS compatibility
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: BITNIC IBM-NETS List <IBM-NETS%BITNIC.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: The Internet

I have encountered the similar problem back in my old shop.  Just like you, we h
ave a wide variety of PCs from different vendors and each of them run their own
version of MSDOS.

What we (the technical support group) believe is that the various MSDOS is at le
ast 99% compatible with the IBM PCDOS.
You should not encounter major problems runninf the normal application software
unless you are making use of some undocumented features to write your own progra
ms.

We have a simple bypass to the problem.  We did a simple surgery to the NET.COM
program to make it skip the checking of DOS version.  This can be done by using
the DEBUG commands and look up for the interrupt call of the DOS version checkin
g.

We also did the same thing to the LAN Support program (v1.01,v1.02) to make it r
un on the older DOS 3.1.
You make want to try this out.

Poh Kim Wah
Senior Data Centre Planning Specialist
National Computer Board
Republic of Singapore
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: ant@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Anthony Murdoch)
Subject: Printing through a terminal server
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:28:28 GMT


Hi,

A little over a week ago I posted a request for information about using a
Terminal server to attach a printer to and allow PC's attached to the
Terminal server to print to the printer.

I have had only one reply, which pointed out that there was some
ambiguities in what I was trying to say.  I'll try to iron these out now
in the hope that someone out there does have an answer for me.

They want to share the printer via the terminal server.  It is possible 
(I am assured) to get the terminal server to connect one of its ports to
another one.  So the software would look to see if the printers port was
free, and if so grab it to print the job it has been given.  It would
then let it go so that other machines would be able to print.

>Now it looks like you mean that the same COM port (say, COM1) is used at
>one time for Kermit, and at another time as a serial printer port.  If that
>is true, then there must have been some kind of manual switching going on --
>Moving a cable?  Turning a T-switch?  Also, you have to get DOS involved,
>right?  By using a MODE command to assign your printer to the serial port.
>Otherwise how could you print from inside DOS applications like WordPerfect?
>
Yes, I want both operations to happen via com1.  But it is a little more
complicated than that.  Each PC can only have control of the Printers port
on the terminal server while it is actually printing.  Otherwise noone
else can connect to the port, so noone else can print.  One thought was
that you could place the terminal server commands needed in the pre-print
and post-print feilds of the application so that the application sends the
commands to connect the ports before the job and to disconnect after.
But, this would have no control for cases where you print while someone
else prints.

So, I think that a small TSR would be required.  What I could do would be
to have the TSR unloaded when kermit is run (ie a batch file for kermit
that unloads the TSR, runs kermit and then reloads the TSR).  Any ideas ?

It seems that I may have to do this myself - If this is the case, then
suggestions on a good comms library for BC++ would be appreciated.

Thanx in Advance
ant
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield)
Subject: Re: PPP internet drafts, where are they?
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:28:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.052930.13284@nuscc.nus.sg> ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg (Wong Chee Heng) writes:
   I am looking for the draft for AppleTalk and IPX over PPP. 

nic.ddn.mil:internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pppext-appletalk-03.txt (Aug 27)
nic.ddn.mil:internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pppext-ipxcp-01.txt (Jul 2)
From: crowell@ctron.com (Chris Crowell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: PPP implemenation that executes in user space?
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:32:30 GMT
Reply-To: crowell@ctron.com (Chris Crowell)
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc

All of the PPP implementations I have seen for Sun have executed in
kernel space.  Are there implementations that execute in user space ? Can PPP
operate in user space ?


--
Chris Crowell (crowell@ctron.com)
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Patches for SunOS 4.1.1 to run PPP
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:06:16 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: perkins@indian.cps.msu.edu

Does anybody have a complete list of the SunOS patches needed to run
PPP (patch level 6) under SunOS version 4.1.1??  I know it runs under
4.1.2, but I have problems under 4.1.1.

Thanks,

Steve



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Michigan State University          |
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Dynamic assignment of IP addresses
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:51:14 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: perkins@indian.cps.msu.edu

PPP allows you to dynamically assign IP addresses to a connection.
I have a UNIX host and would like to support up to 5 connections
simultaneously.   Has anybody written a script that performs the
necessary magic to grab an unused IP address from a pool and
start the caller on the correct interface?

I though about looking at the incoming pty number and making pty0 be
IP address number 1, pty1 number 2, etc...  This simplistic approach
simply has too many flaws to consider.  If you have overcome this problem
in the past, I would sincerely appreciate hearing your solution.

Email is probably best.  I will post a summary if there is sufficient
interest.

Many Thanks,

Steve





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Michigan State University          |
From: Eric.Arnold@Sun.COM (Eric arnold)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: ? rsh/cat vs rcp/ftp over PPP?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 21:02:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Eric.Arnold@Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: animus.corp.sun.com


With PPP, I've noticed that "rsh" ( E.g. 
"rsh remotehost 'cat <filename' >filename", or whatever -- as long as
it is a byte stream) is about twice as fast as "ftp" and "rcp".  Is
there a way around this?  "rcp" and "ftp" are nice facilities,
especially with wrappers like "ftptool".


Thanks,
-Eric
Eric.Arnold@Sun.COM
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg (Wong Chee Heng)
Subject: PPP internet drafts, where are they?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:29:30 GMT

In the FAQ submitted by emv@msen.com, it is mentioned that there is a 
ftp site, bruno.cs.colorado.edu that provides the CCITT standards and 
internet drafts documents. When I ftp to it, I am told that the those
documents are no longer there. Anyone knows where are they now? I am
looking for the draft for AppleTalk and IPX over PPP. Any info. is 
appreciated. Thank you.

--
Wong Chee Heng
Systems Programmer

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: ch@ssd.kodak.com
Subject: VMS <-> SunOS?
Originator: ch@ekcolor
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:06:54 GMT

Has anyone set up a (working) PPP connection between a SunOS machine and a
VMS box (Wollongong or UCX)?  I'd like to hear from you (post or email, as
you see fit).  Will sumarise if interest.  Thanks.

PT
turner@telstar.kodak.com

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