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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Anyone know any mail-order companies?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:08:54 GMT

Can anyone recommend a reliable mail-order company? Preferably one 
that you've dealt with before in Canada or the US.
 
I've seen mail-order ads in the back of stereo review magazines, but 
I'm hesitant to use one without a recommendation.
 
Any help would be appreciated, although I'm specifically looking for
a SONY receiver and BOSTON ACOUSTIC speakers.
 
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Subject: Re: Equipment for Sale
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:00:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.211944.15087@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta) writes:
>EQUIPMENT FOR SALE:
>Denon DCD-910 CD player.............................$259

        Recently I saw a new DCD-920 for $179 + tax.  What is so great about
Joe's DCD-910 that he feels justified in asking $259 for it?


-- 
John Davison, davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
"The next time you start to say, 'Purdue isn't as racist as some other places,'
 bite your tongue.  I've lived in the South [U.S.] all my life, and I have
 never encountered as much racism there as I have here."   -- Sumi Rebeiro
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:58:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>Why do I like it more ? Well, it sounds more like my recordplayer (not only
>the Linn CD, but also other brands). So what did they do ? Put a lot of
>LP distorsion on the discs, or a special 'analog distorsion' circuit in the
>players ?
>
>Sture
----------
Well, what I think has happended is you might have gotten some CDs that
were mastered properly.  A few yrs ago, I blew my brother away by
walking into a room at my house when he was visiting and listening to
some of his rock CDs on my old system.  10 seconds and I'd say "sounds
like an analog mastering".  He'd pick up the CD jewel box and drop his
jaw and say "how could you tell?"  I'd say "sounds like shit".  Most of
the CDs he owned were CDs of his favorite rock records.  Few that I heard
sounded very good when they were transferred to CD.  They are getting
better now.  Furthermore, I owned many "LaserLight" CDs of
classical music that I'd purchased for $3-$5 each and they sounded bad
to my ears also.  I then started to get CDs made by GRP and Schefield
and could hear that they knew what they were doing.  Even now I'm leary
of buying CDs unless I trust the engineering:  GRP, Chesky, Schefield
and Telarc though I think the first 3 are "more musical" as a whole at
times.  I've heard some good remastering done on the "Verve label" that
I'll probably start buying also (Joe Henderson).

Anyone agree and have other labels that are pretty sure bets to be well 
mastered?

Kirk out
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:09:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24725
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <5621@othmar.lulea.trab.se> sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:

>What one also CAN deny is that the CD player you buy in a store reproduces 
>better music than the turntable you buy (for a 'random' group of people) because
>the sampling theorem (or any other theory concerning digital music reproduction)
>has been proved.

I'm not sure you can. You can easily say that "I prefer x".  That's
not arguable. When one wants to evaluate "better" for any purpose
one has to know what "better" is.  If you are saying "better
for Sture", that's perfectly reasonable.  If you are saying
"better for all", that's a wee bit tougher... :-)

Of course, you can't say it's "better" or "worse", only "different"
unless you have either a measure of "better" or you're talking your
own preference.

According to "analytic" standards, CD wins hands down, but of course,
I have that fight every day with somebody who wants to know
a signal to noise ratio, and to which I give the same old
demo... SNR means nothing in perceptual terms.
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From: co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Thiele cs2.2 opinions wanted...
Date: 24 Jan 1993 05:54:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello, my neigbor is buying new speakers, he has narrowed his choice
down to three:
1. paradigm studio monitor
2. vandersteen 2ce
3. thiele cs2.2
 
he's got a great quote on the thiele's ($1950) and asked me
to post hear for opinions (no pun intended...)
he can't hear them until they arrive, and he has to order
them first, meanwhile he's got the other two to think about
so I'm gathering 'experience' for him.
 
thank you for taking time to respond (if you do :)
n.e.d.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: prater@cs.yale.edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Are Sony MDR-V6's worthwhile?
Reply-To: prater-ethan@yale.edu
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:12:22 GMT

I've seen a lot of commentary on the Sony MDR-V6 headphones. I'd like to
get a set of decent headphones -- would these be a good value? Illinois
Audio sells them for $68 -- is that a good price? Are there other
headphones that are better for the same price?

Thanks for any help. I expect this is a FAQ -- sorry.

--Ethan

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: dfuller@AFIT.AF.MIL
Subject: wanted amp
Keywords: mono
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:40:42 GMT

             I'm looking for a mono amp with at least 150
         watts per channel.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again (was Re: Preamp and Amp)
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:05:39 GMT

In article <1k6jrnINNqf5@transfer.stratus.com> rsud@sw.stratus.com (Rajiv Sud) writes:
>
>
>
>
>In article <7490282@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>> 
>> Rajiv, given that the CD format has been stable for 10 years, how is it
>> that "digital" is getting better?  I could see making a claim that the
>> analog electronics built into a given line of CD players has improved, or
>> that we've seen other improvements in factors outside the format itself
>> (equalizations for CD rather than LP, for example) - this is in no way
>> "digital" getting better, since all the "digital" portions have remained
>> unchanged.
>> 
>> 
>	Yes the format, i.e., sampling rate, has not changed. There's a world
>of difference between the cd players of the early eighties and the current
>top of the heap designs. And this is in the digital domain (DAC's). Perhaps
>you are making a joke of my use of the word "digital" to catagorize all

What do you think the "A" in DAC stands for?

No one will argue that different DAC's can sound different, since they
are, after all, producing an analog output.  That would be like saying
that all speakers must sound the same given the same input from a power
amp, or that all people must sound the same when they read the same book
aloud.

--         
Steve Kanefsky
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Digital critics - sampling argument is nonsense
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:41:13 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1190791@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:
>In rec.audio, shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:
>
>
>> I just dislike the bogus reasons and unfair trouncing of digital
>> that often follows. 
>
Kurt>And in the very next sentence trounces analog with a bogus reason.
>
>> Chances are that most analog appeal comes from
>> euphonius distortions that could be simulated in digital if anyone wanted
>> to try.


  Actually Kurt knows very well that the statement is absolutely
  true...or should if he really knew a !@#$ thing about either
  analog or digital audio.  But admitting that you prefer roll-off,
  masking, poor bass, poor separation is tough for some ego's.   

  But then anyone with speakers which don't go below 30 Hz isn't
  really very serious about fidelity anyway.  >:-)
From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Todd Premo)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: CD PLAYER not sensing CD...HELP
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:58:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.C1HH63.Jq8
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


I have a Pioneer CD player that is not sensing the CD when it is in.
The player will spin the CD but will stop and say "no disc".

Is this a common problem with a common fix- or is this one not worth
the life of a 3-year old disc changer?

If you know how to fix this please let me know..

Thanks, 
Todd

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From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:53:45 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com

In article <JIM.93Jan27152918@fuji.eng.yale.edu> jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu (James J. Szinger) wrote:  
>Yes, you do listen to sine waves.  Fourier showed a long, long 
time ago that any signal is a sum of sinusoids.  This facilitates 
the analysis and systhesis of linear systems.  (Unfortunately, 
the human auditory system is non-linear.) 

actually  fourier  stood  on  euler's  shoulder (look up euler's 
relation).  also you premise is riduculous as stated.  it  means 
that we should judge you as the bag of chemicals you are and not 
the  more  human  characteristics  the chemicals really display. 
and how did you get from fourier to linear systems???  was there 
a point you were really trying to make.
From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:05:55 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 + PL8]

jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch (jj@alice.att.com) wrote:
: In article <1jjtgdINNiee@transfer.stratus.com> rsud@sw.stratus.com (Rajiv Sud) writes:
: >.....

: One cannot argue with preference.  If you like it, you LIKE IT,
: no muss, no fuss.

: On the other hand, when one starts to make claims like
: 'analog is definitive', or 'there is less information
: in digital recordings', one is stepping across the boundary
: of preference and is now making factual scientific statements,
: and statements that are indeed trivially refutable.

I suppose it is also possible to refute the claims that EXISTING digital
products aimed at the home-market sound good since the THEORIES about digital
audio processing says that digital means less distorsion than analog.

My main complaint about digital audio and digital-pro people is that they
confuse theory with implementation. (no, jj, I don't believe that you do that.
At least I hope you don't. But many other seem to)

I'm the first to agree that A LOT has happened with the implementations over
the last few years (say two, three or less). So much that I now believe it is
actually possible to make good digital audio processors that the average Joe
can afford, and that is something I shouldn't have said, say two years, ago.

At that time I was one of the people saying that analog had more information
than digital (which I got from another source; not an excuse, but an
explanation). Now I'm beginning to believe that was wrong, since the digital
sound has improved so much.

I still say however, that when people like Shiv and myself (and many other on
and off the net) say they like analog more than digital (meaning EXISTING 
products, not theory) it is not only 'preference'. If it was preference, why
is it that the digital sound has (in my ears) improved so much ? I don't own
a CD player. The total amount of time that I spent last year listening to 
CD:s was maybe 5 - 6 hours (most of it spent a weekend when I borrowed the
Linn CD player from the store) compared to maybe 1000 hours or more listening
to analog records. So I don't think that has 'brainwashed' me to 'like'
the CD sound more. I say the CD sound has changed.

Why do I like it more ? Well, it sounds more like my recordplayer (not only
the Linn CD, but also other brands). So what did they do ? Put a lot of
LP distorsion on the discs, or a special 'analog distorsion' circuit in the
players ?

I say they realized that there are (were?) problems with the current
IMPLEMENTATIONS (no more 'perfect sound forever' bullshit) and made the
IMPLEMENTATIONS a lot better.

LISTEN and enjoy,
Sture
From: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:48:02 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1993Jan26.191547.5316@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <C1HDns.63L@world.std.com>
Reply-To: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

If anyone is seriously thinking of "hauling those LP's to the dump" I would
like to suggest an alternative location.  My address is ... 
-- 
Bob Smith
E-mail => Robert.D.Smith@daytonoh.ncr.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: lauusitalo@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Digital critics - sampling argument is nonsense
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:08:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.053032.18507@labtam.labtam.oz.au>, graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill) writes:
> What they are really saying is that the older analog
> gear was part of artistic process, while digital is transparent
> and therefore outside this process. If you want to have "warm"
> analog sound on CDs you have to add that to the master recording
> artificially, rather than relying on analog tape and vinyl record
> distortion to do it for you.
> 
> 	Graeme Gill

        Is that why they are adding Snap, Crackle and Pop (tm)  to
        new CD's? Imagine CD snapping like LP.

        Lauri

        Lauri.uusitalo@ntc.nokia.com

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: CD Sound under attack again. Was: Re: Preamp and Amp
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:03:51 GMT

In article <Jonas.Palm-230193200025@fastpath-37.orgk2.lth.se> Jonas.Palm@orgk3.lu.se (Jonas Palm) writes:
>In article <5494@calmasd.Prime.COM>, jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
>wrote:
>> 
>> 	Which reminds me...  An analog tape recorder cannot reliably record 
>> more of the frequency spread than about 8 1/2 octaves.

>My best analog tape recorder achieves 20Hz-20kHz +-0.5 dB.
>Tested in Real Life, and IMHO, Good Enough. 

And THE best analog tape recorders - will do even better than
that.   The 3db down point on our A-800 was 33kHz AT FULL +6
OPERATING LEVEL!  That's a serious machine!

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, still grouchy and out of sorts)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:16:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24677
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, still grouchy and out of sorts)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <5584@othmar.lulea.trab.se> sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:

>I suppose it is also possible to refute the claims that EXISTING digital
>products aimed at the home-market sound good since the THEORIES about digital
>audio processing says that digital means less distorsion than analog.
Well, one can try.  I don't see what THEORIES have to do with it,
just try the music on people.  Unfortunatley for your point,
a lot of people LIKE it.

>products, not theory) it is not only 'preference'. If it was preference, why
>is it that the digital sound has (in my ears) improved so much ? 

Well, curiously enough, at least some smart people are distorting what
they record on the CD.

Yep. Uh, huh.  Now, if "distortion sounds better", so  be it,
but don't blame the messenger.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Radioshack Subwoofer (don't laugh...)
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:55:51 GMT

In article <ryu.727901806@husc.harvard.edu>, ryu@husc8.harvard.edu (William Ryu) writes:
|> 
|> 	I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with the
|> Radio Shack subwoofer/Minimus 7 combination.  I've been suffering and
|> saving for a better system and have been using just a pair of Minimus 7's,
|> but it looks like that I won't enough money until after college (1.5 yrs)
|> to spend on a new system.  I'm wondering if I should buy the Shack
|> Subwoofer before I die of bass starvation.  I'd appreciate suggestions for
|> other subwoofer solutions, but my budget makes my options very limited.
|> 
|> Will Ryu
|> husc.harvard.edu

The Paradigm Phantoms have excellent bass response to below 30Hz.
They are speakers that don't need subwoofers since they pump out
enough bass on their own. At $250-$300 a pair, I think you can do much
better than a Radio Shack 'minimus' (aptly named I think) system.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Re: Turntable/cartridge reccomendations wanted
Organization: Unit 36 Research, UofWaterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:44:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.190117.4022@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>
>Given the huge stacks of LPs I still have and having discovered
>that analog does sound so great, can anyone make some reccomendations
>for a good turntable/cartridge combo that is reasonably priced ?
>I'd like to spend <$500 but can go up to $1000.

	Buy a used Oracle with a Linn tonearm (the Ittok is the best match).
You can get a used Oracle Delphi (< Mk III) and an arm for around $1000.
Forget Linn turntables :-)
	Actually, the old Rega Planars were pretty good.  A Thorens 166MkII
is a good table and can be had for <$200.  I have heard only good things
about the Revolver.  A Revolver and Linn Basik arm will run you something like
$500 new.

brett maraldo

ps.  And, *no*, I won;t change my mind! :-)




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From: dominic@borland.com (Dominic Yip)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Audio
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:17:04 GMT
Organization: Borland International
Originator: dominic@genghis.borland.com

>In article <24645@alice.att.com>, jj@alice.att.com (J. Johnston) writes:
>>I disagree that the differences are likely to be due to the DAC.
>>Some differences, perhaps.  BUT try recording a pulse train at
                                               >^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>630 Hz or so, or a set of non-harmonic tones spaced about 750 Hz
                    >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>apart, starting in the 690Hz range, or white noise, or something that
                                        >^^^^^^^^^^^     
>>moves rapidly (i.e. on a 2ms basis) between the two channels,
 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>or so on.
>
>Some people's musical taste is strange, indeed!
>
>-- 

One might like to sit in their living room listening to 
pulse train or white noise instead of music.  Its subjective, 
freedom of choice.  I remember when I was in college I listen
to 1812 cannon and pink floyd helicopter all day and show
people what that sounds like and think that might impress them !

At certain stage, one would like hi-fi only but in the long run
people will switch and became music oriented.  Try some
Conrad-Johnson gears, it may change your perspective.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)
Subject: Re: Hafler Amps
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:15:09 GMT

Are these kits still available?

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How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?
From: Matt.Ion@p106.f7040.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Matt Ion)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca