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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: new CD single
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:10:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.215301.2242@vixvax.mgi.com> dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
>A friend of mine said she heard the following on the radio (details hazy):
>
>--On October 5th, a new Beatles CD single will be released. It is supposed
>to have two versions of the Beatles first single, because of the 30th
>anniversary.--
>
>Obviously, this would be "Love Me Do"/"P.S. I Love You". I don't know
>what the "two versions" means exactly: alternate takes of both songs?
>
>It seems like there would have to be something extra included, as this
>single was already done in 1988. Of course, that was on CD3 format,
>which seems to have almost died out.
>

Quoting from the current (Sept) "Beatles Book" (without permission):

"Love Me Do 30th Anniversary Releases" -- Andy Davis

To mark the 30th anniversary of the original release of 'Love Me Do', on 
October 5, EMI are issuing two separate 5-inch CD singles.  The first 
(Parlophone CDRX4949) with a silk-screened red Parlophone label, comes in a 
jewel case and features the standard 'Love Me Do / PS I Love You' coupling
(with Andy White on drums) on the A-side, matching the current 7" single and
cassette.

Also planned, but not confirmed at presstime (the details had still yet to be
cleared with Apple) is a special 3-track CD digi-pack (Parlophone CDRS4949) 
with a sleeve note by Mark Lewisohn detailing the history of the single, and 
the Ringo-on-drums version of 'Love Me Do' as an extra track.  The label on
this second CD will be a standard design, while both picture sleeves match the
one that has been available on 'Love Me Do' over the last 10 years.

But, that's not the end of the 'Love Me Do' story, as the Beatles' first single
is set to appear in yet another CD configuration - its fourth (the third being
the 3" CD) when it will form part of a new CD single box set, modelled along
the lines of the recent and much acclaimed Compact Disc EP Collection.

The set will comprise a 5" CD of each of the Beatles original twenty-two 
singles, from 'Love Me Do' through to 'Let It Be.' Each single is tentatively 
planned as a picture disc, with both label and covers matching the sleeves
currently in use.  The exception is 'Hey Jude', which was apparently issued
with the wrong photo in 1988.  The existing sleeve of the Beatles at a piano,
with only a parrot for an audience will be replaced by a live picture of the
group in studio performing 'Revolution. ' The parrot shot was originally used
as a press advert for 'Hey Jude' back in 1968.

The Beatles singles collection (Parlophone CDBSCP 1) is pencilled in for
release in November.  The original 3" CD singles will remain on catalogue for 
the moment, and there are no plans - as yet! - to delete them.  EMI are also
planning a 'general awareness' campaign to give the entire Beatles back
catalogue a further sales boost (as if it needed one!)

-----

<ESC>

-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: What about REMAKES?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:27:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>RE: REMAKES
>Another band who recorded Helter Skelter was *surprise* U2.  In Rattle 
>and Hum, the give a fair remake the song, introducing it by this 
>screamer: " THis is a song (somebody) stole from the Beatles, and now 
>we are going to steal it back...When I get to the bottom..."
>1) I never knew who the first "thief" was.  Any comments?

That would be Charles Manson.
He was supposedly "inspired" by the song and it went on to 
be associated with him through the title of a biographic
book and/or film (made for tv, I think).

>2) The song is not bad at all

I thought it was okay.

>More: Did you know that when Epstein took the Beatle's to their first 
>audition at EMI, the Studio considered they were OK, but that the only 
>good things they sang were covers.  (This is when the F-F did their 
>standard routine covers of Twist and Shout, Rock and Roll music and 
>others).  Eventually with She Loves Me and Love me Do they convinced 

Actually, they didn't write She Loves You for quite some time after
their audition... (unless you meant Please Please Me)

>somebody they could write, but for a some time EMI refused to sign 
>them as its artists unless they agreed to have a songwriter asigned to 
>them! 

		James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: Val.Thomas@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Val Thomas)
Sender: FredGate@p0.f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 01 Oct 92  20:00:34 CST

I agree that there are some truly awful remakes out there.  I just picked up "Yesterday", which is a collection of Beatle songs done in reggae.  Almost as bad is "Sgt. Pepper's" by Big Daddy - all the songs from the original done in 50's style.  "Let it Be" by Laibach is just plain weird.  What's next a Beatle polka record?

My favorite collections of Beatle covers are:

        "The Other Side of Abbey Road" by George Benson
        "Mother Nature's Son" by Ransey Lewis
        "Arthur Fiedler Plays the Beatles" by the Boston Pops

I forgot to mention another weird collection I have of Marching with the Beatles - marching band covers.  The John Bayless covers of Beatle songs done in a classal style is also nice.

Finally, I'd really like to get my hands on a record by Booker T & the MGs covering Abbey Road (I forget the title) and Eine Kleine Beatlemusik, an LP from about 1965 featuring Beatlemusic as if written by Mozart.

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From: jdr@oin.unh.edu (John D Russo)
Subject: Re: What about REMAKES?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:13:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.152711.604@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>
>>RE: REMAKES
>>Another band who recorded Helter Skelter was *surprise* U2.  In Rattle 
>>and Hum, the give a fair remake the song, introducing it by this 
>>screamer: " THis is a song (somebody) stole from the Beatles, and now 
>>we are going to steal it back...When I get to the bottom..."
>>1) I never knew who the first "thief" was.  Any comments?
>
>That would be Charles Manson.
>He was supposedly "inspired" by the song and it went on to 
>be associated with him through the title of a biographic
>book and/or film (made for tv, I think).

U2 could also be referring to Motley Crue, who also did a version of Helter
Skelter

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From: dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Explain "Come Together?"
Reply-To: dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:19:34 GMT

In <Bus1CF.Kz1@brunel.ac.uk> lw91sdk@brunel.ac.uk (Stephen D Kennedy) writes:
>I don't know how much truth there is to this story, I'll let you
>work that out for yourself, but Timothy Leary says in his
>autobiography that John wrote "Come Together" at the Montreal bed-in,
>for Leary's benefit. "Timmy" was standing for election as Governor of
>California (against Ronnie Reagan?), and - he says - his slogan was
>"Come Together".

John said in the Playboy Interviews that Tim Leary had indeed asked
John to write a campaign song for him when Leary was briefly
considering running against then-governor Ronald Reagan of California,
but suggests that "Come Together" would have made a poor musical
theme for a political race, since it was more or less "gobbledygook".

Harold Somers of this newsgroup has attempted to demystify some of
the lyrics in his "Britguide" note, which you might ask for if you're
curious about some of the phraseology.

-- 
"The Lana Sisters, clad in pink, added a welcome feminine flavour.
'Much better than those Beatles' I heard one gentleman remark."
------------------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu---despite appearances to the contrary)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki)
Subject: Carnival of Light
Reply-To: dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:10:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.110303.206@cs.tcd.ie> mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie) writes:
>In January 1967 the Beatles recorded a 14 minute "extravaganza" for the
>Carnival of Light (some show held in the Roundhouse theatre) which
>consisted of "Revolution 9" style effects.
>
>As far as I know, each Beatle was given an acetate copy of the
>recording.
>My question is:
>Has anyone heard "Carnival of Light" and if so where can I get my hands
>on it??

There's no indication that any acetate recordings of "Carnival of Light"
were made. Paul worked on the series of tape "loops and distortions",
as Lewisohn (in "The Book" to distinguish it from "The Chron" :-) has
reported, accompanied by (one assumes, since Lewisohn refers to the
group) the Beatles, but specifically John. When the session, which
took place on 5 January 1967, was complete, Paul asked to hear it
back, then obtained a rough mono remix of the tape to give to the
"Carnival of Light" organizers. While it's not impossible that a
taped copy still exists somewhere (odd that Paul himself wouldn't
have kept one), its absence from the bootleg scene suggests either
that a) it's no longer in existence, or b) Paul is sitting on the
lone copy.

Paul is known to be proud of the "avant-garde" work he did in
arranging this item. Perhaps someday, on some obscure anniversary,
he intends to release it. You might write him and ask. :-)
-- 
"These four boys, who are superb instrumentalists, also
produce some exciting and pulsating vocals."
--------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu, under normal circumstances)
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Band on the Run CDs worth?
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:20:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep25.041451.24503@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu 

>And on the subject of "Band on the Run" which Edward runs down fairly
>thoroughly in another article:

>I have a Capitol CD with a Japanese-made CD (disc is painted black on label
>side) without "Helen Wheels" on it.  I also have a Capitol CD with a US-made
>CD (text painted on otherwise bare label side) that has "Helen Wheels" on it--
>although it does not list it on the disc itself or on any of the jewelbox 
>inserts!  The sole mention of "Helen Wheels" is on the longbox itself, which 
>has a red sticker applied to the front reading "Includes 'Helen Wheels'".

>Are either of these worth anything?

I don't know. But I have the Columbia version. I have heard from
a friend/collector that it is worth something. (I don't know what,
though.)

Price list, anybody?

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: paul@moore.com (Paul Maclauchlan)
Subject: Re: remakes
Organization: Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto ON, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:46:39 GMT

The Booker T. version of Abbey Road is called "McLemore Avenue".  I have
a copy on CD, put out by the MFSL people.

Another article in this thread mentioned Elton John's version of "Lucy
In The Sky" as being a "bad remake".  I disagree, Elton (and a certain
Dr. Winston O'Boogie on reggae guitar) recorded a great rock'n'roll
cover of a terrific song.

Elton also used to do a great "I Saw Her Standing There" in concert.
Think of the song done with an exaggerated "OHH!"... lots of fun.

	How could I dance with another
	OHHHH
	When I saw her standing there?

-- 
.../Paul Maclauchlan
Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
paul@moore.com   -or-  {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
"And the way she looked was way beyond compare."/PmcC'63
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From: cs922094@ariel.yorku.ca (IAN S. NATHANSON)
Subject: Re: Covers vs. Commercials
Originator: cs922094@m11.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:05:37 GMT


In article <e84ZRB2w165w@infochi.com>, patio@infochi.com (patio) writes:
>> patio@infochi.com (patio) writes:
>> 
>> > > Having said all the above, I invariably HATE covers of Beatles songs.  Even
>> > > the cover makes some sense if considered as a new work, the weight of the
>> > > original is so strong for me, and my emotions so tied up in it, that I can'
>> > > stand the idea.  If someone did manage to come up with a version that was (
>> > > be like improving Van Gogh or something.
>> > I don't have a problem so much with covers, as I do with using Beatles 
>> > songs to sell cars or John's songs to sell gym shoes. I think a cover is 
>> > like a compliment, but commercials are exploitive.
>> > 
>> 
In his 1987 interview with MUSICIAN magazine, George Harrison quoted that if the
Beatles songs were meant to be used in commericals, they would be selling either,
get this, "...sausages or ladies underwear". 

Death to NIKE, Chrysler, and Shell! It's all Mikey's fault!

Ian 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board)
Subject: Re: Onobox question
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:08:29 GMT

In article <Oct.1.12.11.30.1992.3543@remus.rutgers.edu>, ficara@remus.rutgers.edu (ken ficara) writes:
|> bjones@pbs.org writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Sep27.220355.19193@menudo.uh.edu>, edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
|> >> In article <Sep.26.11.02.58.1992.27922@remus.rutgers.edu> ficara@remus.rutgers.edu (ken ficara) writes:
|> >> 
|> >>>If anyone out there has the Yoko Ono boxed set (ie, you got it free as
|> >>>a review copy and can't find a used CD store to buy it from you :) can
|> >>>you please email me or post the musician credits to "Walking on Thin
|> >>>Ice" and "Yang Yang"? Thanks.
|> >> 
|> >> Nope, your rude comments render your question null and void.
|> >> 
|> [...]
|> 
|> >Wait a second! Nobody is denying her "basic human respect". The only thing
|> >that was implied in the original post was the fact that the author does not
|> >have a lot of respect for her work (music) - a sentiment a lot of us happen
|> 
|> That wasn't implied in my original post -- I happen to, if not exactly
|> >like< Yoko's work, at least respect the fact that she was doing
|> things years if not decades before others made them popular. It's
|> perfectly possible to recognize the influence someone has had without
|> necessarily liking their work -- John Cage is a good example.
|> 
|> And some of her work -- including the two songs I named in my original
|> post -- I do like, or why would I be asking? Anyway, I don't
|> understand why one's taste in music should offend anyone else, but
|> then, I don't understand the humor-impaired in general.
|> 
|> What WAS implied in my original post is that Onobox, along with many
|> boxed sets, is not especially necessary, and far beyond the means of
|> many people (like me) who are at least mildly interested in what she's
|> done. The one-disc sampler, which I did get, is great, but completely
|> lacking in any kind of discographical (I don't think that was a word
|> until just now) information.
|> 
|> In any case, I have what I need, or the closest I'm going to come to
|> it, so thanks.

i don't want to get involved in a Yoko flamefest and no  but the ONOBOX ticks me off.
 Compare it to the LENNON box. John gets 4
discs in an ultra-cheap package, Yoko gets 6? discs in (I've been told-for the record I've
never seen the thing) a lavish package. Regardless of whatever reasons she had, this 
contributes to the tendency to view her as solely opportunistic.

If LENNON had been a 6 disc set we could have had ALL of his released post-Beatles stuff in
one package. I haven't timed it but, since LENNON is close anyway, you could probably fit it
all on 5 discs and use the 6th for outtakes/rarities.
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:43:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep29.134331.7575
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep29.005315.14361@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu hates:
>Debbie Gibson's (or was it Tiffany's) I saw _Him_ Standing
>There. (I guess I hated her anyway, tho.) :-)

Tiff!  The one that remade old hits, not the one that writes her own!

I noticed in Lewisohn's "Chronicles" that Lulu, or someone like that,
did "I saw him standing there" in 1965.

--Joe Brennan
From: lygariba@unix.amherst.edu (LISA YVONNE GARIBAY)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: RESULTS:  Beatles Poll #2.
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:05:17 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Summary: RESULTS:  BEATLES POLL #2
Keywords:BEATLES POLL #2
 


Here are the results for Beatles Poll 2. Thanks to everyone who replied.
About  40 replies were received...Votes were scored by 5 pts. for 1st place,   4 for 2nd, etc...
I'm only including those songs which recieved 7 or more votes.
 
 
Happiest Beatles Songs:
 
1. Good Day Sunshine           --37 pts.
2. Here Comes the Sun          --36
3. Hey Jude                    --22
4. Penny Lane                  --21
5. Twist and Shout             --18
6. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da          --17
     In My Life                  --17
8. Got to Get You into My Life --16
9. And Your Bird Can Sing      --15
10.A Hard Day's Night          --14
11.She Loves You               --13
   I Saw Her Standing There    --13
   Maxwell's Silver Hammer     --13
   Back in the USSR            --12
15.I've Just Seen a Face       --11
   All You Need Is Love        --11
17.I Want to Hold Your Hand    --10
18.All My Loving               -- 9
   Can't Buy Me Love           -- 9
   Dear Prudence               -- 9
   Hey Bulldog                 -- 9
22.Martha My Dear              -- 8
   Please Please Me            -- 8
   Revolution                  -- 8
   Yellow Submarine            -- 8
   Rock and Roll Music         -- 8
   I Feel Fine                 -- 8
28.Getting Better              -- 7
   Sgt. Pepper's Lonely HCB    -- 7
 
I'm going to wait awhile before I post Beatle Poll 3.....look for it around       October 18th.

Send questions and comments to
williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

P.S.  Sorry for the delay; blame those wacky computers we all love!
From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Hare Krishna Mantra
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:49:52 GMT
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00551-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu




George Harrison sang this song at some point in his career.
Is it on any of his albums???

BTW, this sia different song than My Sweet Lord.


Chris
From: marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: 3936
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:17:23 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

How about:
-When I put my finger in your trigger
-now junior, behave yourself
-boy you've been a nasty girl
-My baby don't care
But you can't hear me
-Oh darling
From: nichols@osric.cs.odu.edu (teresa nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles imitation bands
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:38:12 GMT
	<1992Oct6.071053.21512@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

In article <1992Oct6.071053.21512@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:

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   From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
   Organization: University of Sussex
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   While I'm sure I wrote what is reported above, I can't associate
   myself with draconian Apple-like (both Apples!) litigation.

   True, only the FABS have the real rights to 'Beatles' and all that
   flows from it. However, while there are assorted tribute bands
   floating around at the margin, not really making a vast pile of dough
   and only serving in reality to keep the name of the band alive (as if
   it needed it!) and some pretty harmless entertainment (if at times
   rather odd), then mega lawsuits are totally inappropriate.

   Cool out guys!

   Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
    University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
     JANET        : stevedc@uk.ac.sussex.central
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Steve,

  Apple went after Beatlemania, who earned $47-48 million, and got $10.5
  million as a settlement. For that kind of money, yes I'd go after them.
  Because if a band/group/person/whoever is getting that kind of money, how
  can I be sure they are doing it to keep the name of the band alive and not
  for the money? As a copyrighted photographer, I've spent literally
  thousands into creating "Teresa photographer". Somebody who comes along
  saying that my investment in money,time,effort, and sweat, was his, and
  earns $47 million on it, yes I'd PP after. I've lost goodwill, my name and
  investment on it. Plus, it isn't "harmless" to me, and who's to say that
  it isn't harmless on anyone else? 

  Edward Weston is/was one of the greats of photography. But on his 80th
  birthday he destroyed all his negatives. There was a big uproar in the
  photographic community. But he didn't want to be copied, and as an
  individual, that is his right. I guess the boys feel the same.

  Also, Stephen, there's nothing to "cool out on". Chris and I both expressed
  our opinion, they were simply different. As ours is. At least we DID
  something about our opinions - acted on them - in line with JL - and
  that's a lot more than a lot of other people do. 

  Teresa
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From: kp@cc.uow.edu.au (Karen Pepper)
Subject: Re: THRILLINGTON
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 05:53:05 GMT

brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:

>In article <717832871.0@selene.FidoNet.Org>
>Val.Thomas@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Val Thomas) writes:

>> I obtained a copy of Thrillington at Beatlefest in Chicago 2 years
>> ago.  It was put out by Goblin Records CD 3005.  It states made in
>> Austrailia.  The address of the company is 179 George Wharf Road;
>> Sydney NWS 2010.

>A bootleg of course.  Made in Australia?  Yeah right.

Well, they _do_ make records in Australia, you know.

However, you're right about it being dodgy. I've never heard of
"Goblin Records", and there's no George Wharf Rd anywhere in the
Sydney metropolitan area.

The postcode given in the fake address makes me suspect that there
may be some genuine Australian connection, because 2010 covers
a trendy, arty, "underground" sort of inner-city area Sydney.
Could this be a coincidence ?


-- 
* Karen Pepper                  *                                     *
* Moth Wrangler and Stylist     *  " Fingite me mortuum esse. Dicite  *
*                               *    aliquid belli. "                 *
* kp@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au       *                        - Petronius  *
From: Val.Thomas@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Val Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Hare Krishna Mantra
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:40:32 GMT

According to "All Together Now" (Harry Castleman & Walter Podrazik), George produced HAre Krsna Mantra as a cut of the LP The Radha Krsna Temple, Apple SKAO 3376, issued May 21, 1971.  Good luck in finding it - so far, I haven't seen it released as a CD.

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