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From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Restrictions on 'free' UNIX / 386BSD (Re: selling 386BSD)
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:11:00
Organization: CSUA/UCB
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: merlin@neuro.usc.edu's message of 14 Aug 92 12:13:00 GMT

    If people like cgd really feel obligated to contribute
    'contaminated' code then their contributions should be made
    available separately from the free redistributable core --
    preferably in a separate 'restricted' distribution -- and clearly
    labeled 'infectious waste' -- with ample warnings to future users
    of such code about potential intellectual property rights claims
    and intellectual health risks.  In my opinion the same label
    should be applied to anything carrying the even more restrictive
    GNU copyleft.

Try to think a little more clearly.  It is the ABSENCE of copyleft
that leads to the possibility of non-freely-redistributable versions.
The copyleft was designed to prevent that from happening.  If 386bsd
was copylefted, these flames wouldn't be happening.

	Paul Rubin
	Copylefts 'R' Us
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: resize swap space?
From: nop@cf.mankato.msus.edu (Jay Carlson)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:48:16
Organization: /home/nop/.organization
In-reply-to: witr@rwwa.COM's message of 18 Aug 92 14:36:45 GMTLines: 17

In article <1992Aug18.143645.8486@rwwa.COM> witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow) writes:
   If one of us had access to the source to the install program it
   seems like it would not be all that difficult to have it ask
   just one more question (``How much swap space do you want?'')
   and perform the necessary calculations; and create a new
   dist.fs with this install program...

   I recall that someone asked for the source.  What became of this?

No answer from anyone.  I'll ask again (silly me for doing it but it
feels good):  

Does anyone have source to the install program distributed on the 0.1
TinyBSD disk?

Jay Carlson
nop@theory.cs.mankato.msus.edu
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: C compiler for Sparcs
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:32:26 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug10.162559.5575@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
| Resigned to the fact that we are going to have to purchase a separate
| compiler for Solaris, I'm beginning to look at some options.  Someone
| told me about the compiler from Apogee and how it is supposed to generate
| very good Sparc code.  Does anyone have any information on this?  Does
| anyone know where Apogee is (or have their phone number) so I may
| contact them about getting info (if they are on the net, please email to
| me!).

  You might call Cygnus support for the gcc version for Solaris. 
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: w and ps don't agree
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:14:45 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

gheeong@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Ghee Ong) writes about w showing:

	User  tty  from          login@  idle  JCPU  PCPU  what
	jjk   p5   vistaxx       5Aug92 212days             -

Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> responds:

> /etc/utmp is hosed.  This can result from a variety of conditions --
> usually X-based, but not necessarily so.  I believe there are utmp
> editors out there in the alt.sources archives -- utmp isn't a plain
> text file.  Or one could just "cat /dev/null > /etc/utmp" and it'll
> rebuild itself.

Well, not good enough.  This indeed frees the utmp entry, but that
particular pty is still unusable.  After a while, many such ptys become
unusable, and the only way I found was to reboot.  Any other ideas?
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Need help with routed
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:10:51 GMT

In article <Bt596M.H1G@adasoft.ch> jw@pan.adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes:
>Our customers network consists of a number of sub-nets, and they
>have routers running to handle traffic between them.  Obviously,
>I need to get this routing information on our Ultrix systems.
>I have started /etc/routed, and then checked the routing tables
>with "netstat -r"; the tables seem to be built correctly, but after
>a few minutes, *all* the entries are deleted again.  From reading
>routed(8) about a thousand times, I gather that the tables are
>built on startup because routed sends a broacdast query which the
>routers respond to.  I further suppose that the reason they are
>then being erased is because the routers are not periodically
>broadcasting updates.  However, I have talked to the people who
>are supposed to be "responsible" for this net, and they claim
>that the routers are working correctly - i.e. they are not
>expected to broadcast updates.

If all your routers know how to route packets between the subnets (which
they should), you needn't do anything other than set a default route on
your systems that point to the routers:

  /etc/route add default router-ip-address-or-name 1

This leaves the burden of figuring out how a packet goes from point A to
point B to the routers and the people that maintain them (where it should
be) instead of you. 

We use default routes on all our systems (many DEC, Sun, HP, etc) and have
no problems with it.  Our routers (cisco) are setup to broadcast to each
other what subnets they know about and then each router can figure out
where to send a packet. 


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
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Xref: sparky comp.unix.ultrix:6414 comp.sys.dec:4669
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Porting Wang RS/6000 AIX document imaging to Ultrix
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:25:51 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <199208191551.AA25808@tuna.wang.com>, IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:
> Would anyone have any advice or thoughts on the possibility
> of porting Wang RS/6000 AIX document imaging to Ultrix?  Could
> this be a good idea?  Is Ultrix something that's going to
> be around a long time, in your opinion?  Could there be any
> minor or major weaknesses in Ultrix that we would need to watch
> out for?   How might Ultrix match up against AIX in your view?
> Are they comparable, or could some or many Ultrix users consider
> AIX an upgrade?
> 
> Any advice or suggestions would be very much appreciated!
> 
> ---------------------Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com-------------
-- 
Michael,
 
I attempted to reply to this privately, but there appears to be a 
problem with your mailer. My apologies for the resulting delay.
 
ULTRIX is more or less scheduled to be replaced by OSF/1 based 
systems (it will be supported for old users, but the thrust is 
definitely toward the OSF product).
 
If I were in your shoes, I would be more inclined to look at porting to 
POSIX compliant environments, which would make the issue of which exact 
operating system less important.
 
I hope that the above is useful. If my colleagues or I can be of 
further assistacne, please feel free to contact me.
 
- Bob
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From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: re: WordPerfect 5.0 - solution!
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:18:33 GMT
Organization: Trent University

From the few responses I've received and with WP technical assistance let me
sumarize:

Problem:  file in use error when attempting to edit wpport.def via wpport.

Cause:  WP says its Ultix' file locking at fault

Solution:

Wpport has some problems and this procedure should be followed when updating 
(as root or course);

Note: Only run wpport on the server (ie: not from diskelss workstations)
      -WP corp recommends the console... 

1)   Before using wpport check to see that the current working version of
     /usr/local/wp5.0/slib/wpport.def has a copy (ie: wpport.def.jun11_92).
     Similarly, see that the current working version of 
     /usr/local/wp5.0/lib/.wp.set has a copy.  If not, then create copies.

2)   Assure no users of WordPerfect.

3)   Kill wpexc;

     % wpexc -K

     Assure that this is done on each host involved as wpexc reads 
     wpport.def only once.

4)   Delete wpport.def and replace with the copy.

     % rm wpport.def and cp wpport.def.<date> wpport.def

     For some reason, you must remove, not copy over.

5)   Use wpport as required and save.

6)   Start wp (should be vt100) and from setup disable UNIX file locking.  
     Make the appropriate changes to printer definitions.

7)   Prior to exiting wp, assure that UNIX file locking is not disabled.

8)   If all is now fine, assure that copies of wpport.def and .wp.set 
     are made.

9)   In the distributed environment wp, and hence wpexc, runs on the host 
     executing wp.  A change to wpport.def must be accompanied by killing 
     wpexc on hosts with wpexc currently running.


As a final note:  WordPerfect Corp has no plan to port WP 5.1 to Ultrix.  I
don't know about others but I'm not happy about this.  Every major platform
is at or is going to 5.1.  I guess WP Corp view Ultrix as a rather
insignificant platform.  Hey DEC! - wanna give a little push?
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: VOELS@usmv01.usm.uni-muenchen.de (Stephen A. Voels)
Subject: Re: w and ps don't agree + Typical UN*X-attitude
Organization: University Observatory Munich, FRG 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:17:13 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <441@pyrtor.UUCP> hans@pyrtor.UUCP writes:

> In article <TROST.92Aug20002842@romulus.reed.edu> trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost) writes:
> >In article <o3@byu.edu> gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) writes:
> >   >> the moronic idea of naming a command
> >   >> after its programmers and not finding a mnemonic to indicate its use
> >
> >      I believe he was referring to awk(1). I forget who "a" and "w" are,
> >   but "k" is Brian Kernighan of "K & R" fame.
> >
> >Aho, Weinberg(er?), and Kernighan.
> >
> >I just don't understand why "COBOL" is a more compelling name than
> >"awk".   Both mean nothing to most everyone.
> 
> At least "awk" is "awk" is "awk" in most languages. Insisting that commands be
> named something useful only for English speaking users is kind of narrow 
> considering the global nature of the computer industry these days. It would be
> fun to call awk something like "PSPL" where PSPL were the equivalent of Pattern
> Scanning and Processing Language in Hungarian (like Dykstra's P and V semaphores)
> Just a thought ;-)
> 
> -hans

     I agree completely.  Thus we should make sure that the next time FORTRAN
is updated that either a different language should be used for each statement
or that random letter should be picked.  Of course, the name FORTRAN itself
should also be changed to a set of random characters (selected from all the
possible characters of all languages).

 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


Stephen A. Voels
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Xref: sparky comp.unix.ultrix:6397 comp.sys.dec:4656
From: rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
Subject: WANTED: Termcap entry for DecStation console mode
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:48:44 GMT
Organization: CSIRO/Flinders Joint Research Centre in Information Technology


I am looking for a termcap entry for the console mode which is not brain dead
like the one you get from DEC. Editing with VI in the console mode is worse
than using a line editor!!!.. 

Could someone please email me the colsole termcap... thanks

Richard.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.sgi,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: mahmood@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rafique Mahmood)
Subject: TLI (transport layer interface), can it replace SOCKET?
Keywords: TLI vs. SOCKET
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:38:32 GMT

 I did a posting on yesterday about X/Open portability guide. This is
a followup posting on that. I am thinking to use TLI (transport layer
Interface) which uses t_open, t_connect etc. instead of socket.

I am doing research on 'Does POSIX support the X/Open Portability
guide'?

My main concern is VMS POSIX. How can I write the networking code
which will run on all UNIX/ULTRIX/POSIX?

If anyone has any experience/knowledge on this subject, please
let me know via email.


Thanks in advance,

Rafique J. Mahmood
email - mahmood@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
phone - 205-544-6475
From: rzakon@mitre.org (Robert H Zakon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: How to set up additional swap partitions
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:16:22 GMT
Reply-To: rzakon@mitre.org (Robert H Zakon)
Organization: Mitre


I have just received and rz57 and want to use the f partition on it for swapping.  The partition is 100M, disktab has the appropriate info, and
fstab reads:
   ...
   /dev/rz4f::sw:0:0:ufs::
   ...

When a 'swapon -a' is performed, the following message comes back:
  /dev/rz4f: No such device

I have reset the partition with chpt, but still am having no luck.

Any suggestions as to what I can try or check?  Please respond 
directly to rzakon@mitre.org

Thanks,
  Robert
From: rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Problems with CAP 6.0 and Ultrix 4.2a
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:52:04 GMT
Organization: CSIRO/Flinders Joint Research Centre in Information Technology


I recall a posting by someone who had problems getting the CAP Unix Mac file server
running on Ultrix 4.2a. Our version just will not start up, I think someone suggested a
re-compile as a fix.?

please email replies..

Thanks.


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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: how to recover a lost partition table?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:45:46 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center, Swarthmore, PA, USA

DECstation 5000/200 with Ultrix 4.2
DECstation 5900 with Ultrix 4.2A

(1) Several times this week, I've done a "shutdown -h now" which
mysteriously results in the disks NOT being umounted cleanly even though the
shutdown script says it's sync-ing the disks.

Has this happened to anyone?  What am I doing wrong?  More imporantly, how
can I avoid this danger?  Should I assume shutdown is stupid and do a "sync ;
sync ; sync ; shutdown -h now"?

(2) Sometimes, this results in my losing a partition table for a disk.  Fsck
says that there's a backup partition table on block 32 (fsck -b 32) but that
never works.  I end up doing a newfs -N to find out where the other backup
partition tables are kept and then do a fsck -b using those numbers.  Most
of those numbers don't work at all and it seems by pure luck that the 20th or
30th number works.  Is this the right way to recover a partition table?  Am
I doing something wrong?

It's sort of frustrating to lose a partition table when all I do is a
"shutdown -h now".  Maybe I'm missing something.  Sigh.

--
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Unix Hacker for Swarthmore College      :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Computing Center, Swarthmore, PA, USA.  Copyright 1992 by Eiji Hirai.
I don't speak for Swarthmore College.   All Rights Reserved.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: avolio@dco.dec.com (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Re: Connecting Modems to DEC Stations
Originator: avolio@gildor.dco.dec.com
Reply-To: avolio@dco.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:18:44 GMT


There is information on this in the systems management guide which discusses
tip and uucp.  You want to install the uucp software subset and
and run uucpsetup which, I think, will help with setting up the modems.  

If it doesn't, th emanual will help as it is fairly easy.  Roughly, you want:

1. /etc/acucap to have information on your modem.

2. /dev/tty?? owned by user uucp and chmod'ed 777

3. entrie(s) for the dial line used in /etc/ttys and the
string "shared" on the line like this:

ttyd0   "/etc/getty std.9600" vt100     on shared modem

You should then be able to tip out the line.  See the tip man pages.  You might
want to edit /etc/remotes and add names of systems you want to dil to with
phone numbers but it is not required.  Just edit that file so that the
port you are using and what it thinks the default is are the same tty
device.

Fred
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.questions
From: vasan@crchh335.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Vasan Narayanan)
Subject: Re: Wanted a Newuser program for a University
Reply-To: vasan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Richardson, Texas 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:41:32 GMT

There is a book called The UNIX System Administration Handbook
authored by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, and Scott Seebass. There
is a complete "adduser" script in one of the appendixes. It is
quite an extensive script and is well-documented as well. If you
don't want to buy the book, you can still get the source listings
for all the code in the book from ftp.uu.net. Its available in a
tar file : sa-book.tar.Z.

Regards,

Vasan

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From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: w and ps don't agree + Typical UN*X-attitude
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:24:02 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory

In article <1992Aug19.134729.6415@news.uni-stuttgart.de>, skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes:
> the moronic idea of naming a command
> after its programmers and not finding a mnemonic to indicate its use

Yeah right, we've just gotta find new names for ken(1) and dmr(1).


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``When the going gets wierd, the weird turn pro...''
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,mail.misc
From: carson@tron.bwi.wec.com (Dana Carson)
Subject: Headers to mail11
Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:36:34 GMT

   I think that I remember an undocumented way to have the Ultrix
Unix Mail to mail11 software leave all the headers on the message
by putting them at the end (?) of the message and adding the VMS
headers on at the start as usual, instead of just stripping them off.
I can't find this however.  If I haven't totally lost my memory
can someone tell me what that way was.
   Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
Subject: swap configuration
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:04:45

Can I run a kernel if some of the config'd swap devices are not present?

We have some Ultrix 4.2A DECstation 5000/240s which have slightly different
SCSI and disk configurations.  I would like to be able to run the exact
same kernel on all of them with different swap setups.

I understand that I have to include the swap partitions in the kernel
config file, and all but the first swap partition in /etc/fstab.

My question is, can I run on a single kernel that includes multiple swap
partitions in the config file, even though each system may have only a
subset of those swap devices present?

So I'd like to use a config entry like this:

  config  vmunix  on rz0a  swap on rz0b and rz1b and rz10b   dumps on rz0b

(or maybe with even more swap devices listed).  Then one fstab might
include no swap partitions (defaulting to just rz0b), another would say

  /dev/rz1b:swap:sw:0:0:::

and another

  /dev/rz10b:swap:sw:0:0:::

and another possibly

  /dev/rz1b:swap:sw:0:0:::
  /dev/rz10b:swap:sw:0:0:::

Will the kernel's config'd swap partitions' being absent cause any problem?

By the way, the documentation (Ultrix System and Network Management, Vol.
2) suggests that you can only list two swap partitions in the configuration
file, but I have a system running with four listed and seeming to work (I'm
not sure we've ever actually swapped on all four).  Is there a limit to how
many the kernel can use?

Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Fortran for DecStation/Ultrix
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:12:34 GMT

In article <HUDGENS.92Aug17113818@sun13.SCRI.FSU.EDU> hudgens@SCRI.FSU.EDU (Jim Hudgens) writes:
>
>Anyone else notice that DEC fortran didn't make the CD-ROM (CONDIST)
>distribution?  Nor Motif.  Our salescritter *swore* both would be in
>the August 1992 distribution.  Anyone know *when* these items will
>make the "Ultrix Consolidated Software Distribution"?

Perhaps this is because the DEC Fortran still doesn't work worth a damn.
--scott

I'll refrain from complaining about the X server for the PX graphics machines
which seem to go into endless loops from time to time.