Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 21:40:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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>From: Shaul Wallach <F66204%vm.biu.ac.il@VM.TAU.AC.IL>
>Shalom Altaf,

 >    After sending you the information you asked for about HAMAS,
>including its covenant, I was somewhat disappointed to see the
>following message from you on soc.culture.arabic:

>Dear Ali
>Assalamu alaikum,
>Believe me or not I was totally unawear about HAMAS untill recently as some
>one
>send me information about it, so I came to know. I am from Pakistan and
>Alhamdulillah
>MUSLIM. Yes, being a Muslim I consider myself a bad Muslim. If we were not
>stupid definately these dirty Jews would not have upper hand on us. More
>importantly, we would not have these stupid muslim and arab leaders, which is
>major cause of our down fall. Look at bastared Fahad, stupid Al-Sabah etc etc.
>We need to hold Islamic principals firmly, we should pray five times a day
>and abide by all the Islamic principals and should not follows enemies of
>Allah and his prophet s.a.w.
>
>Sincerely
>Altaf Qadir

>     Please correct me if I am wrong, but are you in fact referring
>here to the information I sent you? If so, wouldn't it have been
>nicer of you at least to let me know first that you had received
>it? So far I have not yet heard from you personally that you did
>receive the copy of the HAMAS covenant that I sent you. It is
>considered good manners to do so, especially when you ask for
>something and the person sending it to you asks you to notify him
>when you receive it.

>     Secondly, did you not notice that I am Jewish? I use the
>Jewish date and gave you my address. Think of how you would
>look in public were it to become known that someone who did

>you a favor is one of "these dirty Jews"! But I do not want to
>be disrespectful and I will keep this as a secret between us.

>      Altaf, may I ask you where you learned about the Jews?
>Please keep in mind that the HAMAS Covenant uses one of the
>most notorious anti-Semitic (i.e. anti-Jewish) books ever
>written, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". This book
>is a forgery and was composed by the Czarist secret police
>100 years ago in order to incite the Russian people against
>the Jews. It is most disturbing that HAMAS, which claims that
>it represents Islam, should use such vicious anti-Jewish
>propaganda in its Covenant. Since there are no Jews living
>in Pakistan, and very few in New Zealand, I can only guess that
>you do not know any Jews yourself but that your attitudes
>are being influenced by Muslim fanatics such as those of
>HAMAS and their supporters on the net. These people do not
>represent true Islam any more than the late Rabbi Meir Kahane
>represented authentic Judaism.

>     Instead, I suggest that you learn seriously about the
>Jewish people and religion before forming such distorted
>views about them. You will find that Judaism is very similar
>to Islam in many respects. I have written an essay showing
>how close they are, based on the customs of Palestinian
>Muslims. Would you like a copy?

>     If my Arabic does not fail me, I believe your name Altaf
>means something like "gentle" or "sensitive". This is very
>close to the name Latifa which is used by Jewish women from
>Arab countries. Your last name sounds like an attribute of
>Allah SWT. Is it short for "Abdul-Qadir"?

>     I am sure that as a Pakistani and a Muslim you can live
>up to the good reputation that people from your country have
>as being very kind and polite. I knew people from Pakistan
>in the U.S. and even had one as a teacher in undergraduate
>school. I have also corresponded with Pakistanis on the
>computer, and they are all very fine people. I am sure you
>will want to be like one of them, and I hope that we will
>be able to keep up a friendly relationship.

>      With very best regards and wishes for success in all
>your pursuits,

>Shalom,

>Shaul

Dear Shaul,
I am sorry to appear on net. But unfortunately, here in New Zealand every
body is at Christmis holyday till 4th Jan. 1993. Our email system is stuffed up
and no one is around to fix it up. Believe me or not I tried many times to 
reply you but, unfortunately, I 
couldn't. Incomming and netnews system is alright but out going through email
is stuffed up.
Thank you very much for sending me valuable information.
I always pray to ALLAH s.w.a. O'Allah bring wind of change for every humen being
and that wind of change should be wind of "HIDAYYAH" right path. so, every
humen being be successful in here and hereafter. When some one will get real 
eyesight through mercey of Allah s.w.a than he will be able distinguish btw 
good and bad right and wrong. 
I tell you some thing Shaul, whatsoever Muslim and especially Arab will do 
we will wrong and terrorist & Jews will always be right even after killing 
17,000 innocents
in Shatilla and Sharja, US was be very happy to recognize them as peaceful 
nation. I don't want to carry on and on but there is simple and popular stories
about Israel and Jews in Pakistan: 
If a young arab will through stone toward Jew, they will punish whole village 
by throughing several bomb aresting couple of hundreds
and deports around many hundreds. 

Khuda Hafiz.
Altaf Qadir

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