From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: Re: Bahais in Iran and the Sectarian Regime!!!!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:57:36 GMT


>From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
>
KH>No it is not a valid refutation of Mark's comment. There is a point which
KH>you miss totally. Less than one hundred years ago, when Muslim girls and 
KH>women were hidden inside chador and were confined to their homes (Please
KH>consider the directives of Prophet Muhammad to educate every male and
KH>female Muslim.), Baha'is, according to Abdu'l-Baha's directives opened up 
KH>schools and started to send their children to these schools. Girls were 
KH>sent to different schools from boys in order to minimize the objection of 
KH>hostile clergymen. These centers of education were the very first schools 
KH>built in Iran to educate children of both sexes, of all religions. The 
KH>religious leaders of Iran sharply criticized the act suggesting that 
KH>Baha'is are promoting prostitution by sending female children to schools, 
KH>and as a result all Baha'i schools in Tehran, Hamadan, Kashan and many 
KH>other locations were closed. 

In article <3565@keele.keele.ac.uk>, phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber) 
you write:
	
AJ>	First of all the claims that the Bahais are opening schools 
AJ>	because the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) said that is not true. 
        ^^^^^^^

No one has claimed that Baha'is opened schools BECAUSE Prophet Muhammad
said so. Baha'is opened schools because of the teachings of Baha'u'llah
and the directives of Abdu'l-Baha. Shoghi Effendi addresses this issue 
as follows:

"It was during this period, at a time when state schools and colleges
were practically non-existent in that country [i.e. Iran], and when
the education given in existing institutions was lamentably defective,
that its [i.e. Baha'i Faith's] earliest schools were established, 
beginning with the Tarbiyat school in Tihran for both boys and girls,
and followed by the Ta'yid and Mawhibat schools in Hamadan, the Vahdat-
i-Bashar school in Kashan and other similar educational institutions
in Barfurush and Qazvin."
				"God Passes By", p. 299

I assure you this HAD nothing to do with Prophet Muhammad or Islam.
Baha'i Faith IS an INDEPENDENT religion, and NOT a sect of Islam.

AJ>If
AJ>	the Bahais are really believers of Prophet Muhammad they will
AJ>	believe in every thing he said and not this selective choice.

Baha'is believe in Prophet Muhammad in the sense Muslims believe in
Jesus. Baha'u'llah is the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Qur'an
as Prophet Muhammad was the fulfillment of the prophecies of Injil.
Baha'is follow the laws of Aq'das, and not The Qur'an.

AJ>	May be the Bahais opened schools at the time 

Thank you for your acknowledgment.

AJ>but this was done 
AJ>	because they were collaborating with the Colonial powers at 
AJ>	that time.  The French and the English during these times were
AJ>	trying to create small minorities in each country they colonize 
AJ>	there was no major religious minority in Iran to do this job
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	so they created Bahaism which is similar to the Ahmadis the
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	Indian subcontinent.

Your deduction is most appreciated. However, I respectfully recommend 
that you examine the Baha'i teachings and history instead on relying
on rumors. At that time Iran had three different non-Muslim religious 
minorities: 1- Jewish; 2- Christian; 3- Zoroasterian. One of these could
have been a "major religious minority"! No?

In regards to similarity between Ahmadiat and the Baha'i Faith I 
must say that they are very different. Baha'i Faith claims to be an
independent religion, while Ahmadiat claims to be a movement within
Islam. There are many other differences which I will not mention here
for the sake of brevity.

AJ>	The Colonials wanted to open schools to create a force from the 
AJ>	local people to finish the colonial programme they have in their
AJ>	mind. 

So education is the cause of problem in the middle east? Very interesting
observation.

AJ>The Bahais were 100% a tool for the colonial powers and
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	are still being used by brutal dictators like they are doing
AJ>	now in Egypt where the Bahai group is flourishing in Egypt
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	because of their collaboration with the brutal regime of both
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	Sadat and Mubarak. The Bahais are doing very well in the Gulf 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	countries i.e Bahrain Kuwait and the others because of their
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AJ>	collaboration withe the Brutal regimes. And they were a tool 
AJ>	for the Murderous Shah Regime as well.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Your knowledge of this issue is VERY IMPRESSIVE. To my knowledge,
Baha'is ARE NOT allowed to FUNCTION in any of the Muslim countries. 
Furthermore, Baha'is are not allowed to participate in politics.

This is very interesting, Baha'is in addition to being agents of 
Zionism, Imperialism, Communism, CIA and Savak, they are now 
collaborators with the Arab countries in the Gulf. We must have
done a good job, so our responsibilities have increased. I hope
our salaries are going to be adjusted too. Japan and China have 
not been mentioned yet. I wonder if they are interested to hire 
such intelligent people as Baha'is who can serve in the capacity 
of Multiple Agents. Any takers? :-)

Please prove your assertions by some documents, or references?!

AJ>	The Bahais cannot claim any credit for educationg women since
AJ>	this  idea was started by prophet Muhammad over a 1000 years a
AJ>	go.

Jesus said: "Ye shall know a tree by its fruits." The fruits of Islam
and the fruits of the Baha'i Faith are available for the mindful to
examine.

KH>Behnam, please do not give excuses for the ignorance of the clergy. Where 
KH>were these "exponents of the Islamic movement" then to side with the 
KH>Baha'is and promote the education of female children?

AJ>	I personally disagree with the Khomeinists in Iran 

Fine.

AJ>but I believe
AJ>	the Bahais are a backward force and should be dealt with in such
AJ>	capacity.

AJ>	The Bahais cannot baragg about the education of women because
AJ>	this is a sacred Islamic Institutions and people who colaborate
AJ>	with Colonials like the Bahais do not deserve any bit of respect.

:-)

KH>This is in reality the refutation of the truth of the clergy. People
KH>of Iran may be sleep now, however, they will refer to the books of 
KH>history and realize the truth of this matter.

AJ>	It is true that the Clergy in Iran are supporting backward
AJ>	policies on certain social issues 

This is great.

AJ>but this does not make the 
AJ>	Bahais right because of their black history of collaboration
AJ>	with the colonoials. If the Bahais really want the advancement 
AJ>	of female members of Iranian society they should have never
AJ>	collaborated against the Iranians.

Please stop accusing. Present your case. Prove your points. The
Iranian government has examined to great detail all Baha'i documents
after the revolution, and was UNABLE to produce any proof that Baha'is 
are politically dependent. I am quite sure that your information would 
be very valuable to them.

AJ>	The Bahais belong to the Gutter of the History as long as the 
AJ>	Middle East is concerned. There is no place for collaboratoes 
AJ>	between us.

Please have a cup of cold water. OK! Please read a little bit from
the writings of Baha'u'llah before you make such accusations.
Baha'u'llah reveals in the Book of Hidden Words

O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is justice; 
turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I 
may confide in thee. By its aid thou shall see by thine own eyes and
not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge
and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy 
heart; how it behoveth thee to be. Verily justice is my gift to thee
and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes."
						Arabic #2

AJ>	The Khoenist Regime and Saudi Arabia and the Bahais are all 
AJ>	enemies of the Muslim people.

I am going to offer you my suggestion as a brother, I hope it is of
interest. Ignorance is, in my humble opinion, the greatest enemy of 
any group of people. Perhaps the time has come for the individual 
Muslims throughout the world to look within, in order to find the 
source of their problems.

Warm regards,

Kamran Hakim