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From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian)
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Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:19:44 GMT
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Dear Dr. Mokhtarian
Our Institute is Iran's representative in EARN. Other universities and
research centers in Iran will be connected to our node in the near future.
But there is no such connection yet and we don't act as a mail distributer
for them. We have a six month plan for connection purposes and I hope
we could make it on time.
Doostdaar/Mashayekh
P.S. You can use my userid for sending messages to Informatics Society
     of Iran.

 
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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: US Cruise missile's accuracy
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:43:28 GMT

In article <Jan.19.12.15.41.1993.25495@gandalf.rutgers.edu> hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin) writes:
>
>
>I have a technical question for anyone with the expertise. They say
>the Cruise was intended for a target 8 miles south of Baghdad, and that
>it was hit before it hit Al-Rashid Hotel. Knowing that the missile
>came from the southern direction, shouldn't it fall SHORT of its
>target if it got hit, and not go another 8 miles north to hit Baghdad?
>Any scientific explanation is appreciated.
>

	A cruise missile can fly any path you care to give it.  Some
	of these missiles flew over Baghdad because:

a.      It is a good fixed point (hasn't moved in several hundred years)

b.      By flying over the city and causing the AAA to start up, you are
	waging psychological warfare.

	There were no other reasons for them to fly over the city.

	Most of the missiles that missed the factory had hit a nearby
	orchard.

	Alec Chambers
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid? NO NO NO... :)
Keywords: BEEP... WRONG... :)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:43:03 GMT
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In article <1993Jan21.230619.29550@EE.Stanford.EDU>, mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

	[...stuff deleted...]

I think we should look at the history of ``Yek/Yekom'' and 
``Nakhoost/Nakhoosteen [Ref: assana]''... :)

Note that AghA Hooshyar asked for the *Persian* word for aval...

Have at it... :)

Ali...
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From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE
Organization: Denver with no Kabob 
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:23:31 GMT

jazz@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Farhad Jazayeri) writes:
: 
Dadah Farhad:
Where is the beef?. Ops, I mean where are your lines?.

Haji
From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: US Cruise missile's accuracy
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:34:48 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1993Jan20.213940.5270@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> watsonb@alcohol.ecn.purdue.edu (Bradley S Watson) writes:
>>J10B <J10B@UNB.CA> writes:

>:                                             And how dare one criticize
>:the rest of the world for being savage and ignorant of human rights while
>:one's own actions reek of such ignorance and blatant disregard for life??

>During this conflict, the US has tried to keep the number of civilian
>deaths to a minimum.  After the Iraqi army was smashed and Kuwait 
>liberated, we could easily have rolled into Baghdad and taken over the
>whole country.  Instead, we declared a cease-fire to avoid Iraqi
>civilian deaths.

	No, we declared a cease-fire to ensure that enough would be
left of the Iraqi army that any rebellion that occurred could be
crushed, to satisfy our ally, Turkey, and also to ensure that Iraq
remained sufficiently strong to act as a balance to Iran.

	Doubtlessly, a desire to avoid further American casualties
contributed to the decision, as did George Bush's desire to end the
war at a "round" hundred hours.  Reports at the time indicated that
both Collin Powel and Norman Schwartzkof (sp?) opposed ending the war
that soon, as they understood that the Iraqi army was not smashed.

>After the war, when Saddam started killing his people,
>we risked our own pilots and planes to protect the Kurds and Shiites
>with the no-fly zones.

	Actually, we did not risk our own pilots and planes until the
American people indicated outrage at the fact that the supposedly
crushed Iraqi army was managing to deal quite nicely with the Shiite
and Kurdish rebellions.

>Then after Sadam started bombing
>UN convoys in the north, launching raids into Kuwait, defying the no-fly
>zones, and interferring with UN inspections, we chose to retaliate
>against targets that would put very few civilians at risk.

	The only question is why did we wait so long?  He has been
ignoring the no-fly zones since a few weeks after the cease-fire,
blatantly taking documents from UN inspectors, refusing them entry to
important buildings, refusing their advice on the destruction of the
supergun, etc etc.

	It seems to me that the three bombing runs were a goodbye
present from George Bush to Saddam Hussien.  There have been more
appropriate times to bomb, and we chose not to.  This strikes me as
petty politics.

Adam


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Old to die ...
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:20:42 -0600
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 01/03 Sarajevo's Aged To Die Of Cold
  
    ZAGREB, Croatia (AP) -- Thousands of elderly people will die in Sarajevo this
 winter, particularly those already ailing, a U.N. official said Sunday.
    "Many of the old people over 70 will die, especially those ill with
 arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes, probably some of the babies, as well as
 down-and-out people who cannot help themselves," World Health Organization envoy
 Donald Acheson said after returning from the besieged city.
    An estimated 60,000 of Sarajevo's 380,000 residents are older than 70, he
 said.
    Other U.N. officials have warned tens of thousands may die from exposure or
 starvation throughout war-ravaged Bosnia if the fighting continues and massive
 aid does not arrive.
    Acheson said the most urgent need is to keep people warm. He proposed
 interrupting the airlift of food for one week and using the planes to bring in
 sleeping bags and blankets.
    "It is much easier to feed people who are somehow warm," he said. "Whenever I
 mentioned sleeping bags, people became tearful."
    Acheson said in the three weeks before the humanitarian airlift was restored
 Dec. 21, women had lost an average 24 pounds and men 16 pounds.
    And in the cold weather, they need about 25 percent more food, he said.
    Acheson said the same problem is facing citizens of Srebrenica and Gorazde,
 east of Sarajevo, and Bihac and Cazin in the northwest -- all towns that have
 been besieged for months.
  
 
 

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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: US Cruise missile's accuracy
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:21:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan21.142148.28921
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1993Jan20.181836.20794@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>In article <C15xIx.17n@specialix.com> 
>jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes:
>
>>J10B <J10B@UNB.CA> writes:
|>>Seven out of 45 missiles did not hit their so called "TARGET"! I wouldn'
|>>t call it  "Simple Malfunction"!!! particularly when just one of them
|>>caused more than 10 casualties. (4 dead, more injured), Pessar Amoo

|>Well, that's a lot more accurate than "dumb" iron bombs!  Weapons
|>all have what's called a CEP (Circular Error Probable).  That means
|>if you draw a circle of a certain diameter half of all the weapons
|>will impact within that circle; and half will impact outside that
|>circle.  I believe the Tomahawks's CEP is 30 meters.  So 38 out of 45
|>hitting the "target" isn't that bad.

|Seems as if a slight message is being missed here. This is not an argument
|of how wonderful and/or accurate technology can be. It is one of people,
|innocent civilians. How audacious can one be to claim that "38 out of 45
|hitting their target isn't that bad" while the other seven missiles 
|targetted *INNOCENT* civilians. 

	Actually, it is.  J10B@UNB.CA appears to claim the missiles
were targeted at civilians.  Jim Maurer explains CEP, and the idea
that missiles are not 100% accurate.

	The policy goals that the US is trying to achieve, as I have
said for a long time, are highly conflicting.  I don't think that
civilian deaths are a goal of any of the policies.  The revolution
that the US appears to be trying to create is a military coup, which
would place a new dictator, friendlier to the US in power.  The Bush
administration showed no interest in a civilian uprising.

|The issue is not how good or bad the missile is. One person killed is one
|person killed. It is not "good" that only 4 were killed this time versus
|many more last time. How can one justify "technological improvement"
|based on less people killed due to errors??? And how dare one criticize
|the rest of the world for being savage and ignorant of human rights while
|one's own actions reek of such ignorance and blatant disregard for life??

	How can you criticise the fact that fewer civilians were
killed?  Would you prefer to see the US dropping unguided bombs all
over Iraq?  I think its *easy* to justify technological improvements
based on the killing of fewer civilians.  If you disagree, then
clearly you have never been the auxiliary target of an unguided
weapon.

	Lastly, the US actions, while the result of a misguided and
confused foreign policy, are not based on either ignorance or a
blatant disregard for human life.

Adam
Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: To Mr. Sehari(NPM) [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:53:59 GMT
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In a recent posting Mr. Sehari writes:

>This poem sucks! it does not rim, it is not intellectual. It can be 
>characterzed with one word "Bullshit"

Dear Sir 

I believe there are better ways of expressing your discontnet about 
a subject. For example you can resort to reason and logic to 
substantiate your claims. I am not sure how familiar you are 
with these qualities. The "kind" words you have used in your 
posting suggests you have not been exposed to these civilized 
and hunmane manners of conducting a constructive discourse.

NORTH-POLE-MAN
 
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From: s5ubxh@fnma.COM (Behrooz Hadavi)
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Reply-To: s5ubxh@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:53:48 GMT

> Really?  I thought the Arabic words for 2nd and 3rd are "thAni" and "thAles"
> respectively.  Are dovvom and sevvom used in Arabic?

Dovvom and sevvom are indeed persian words. You are absolutely right.
You could use "yekom" to match dovvom and sevvom.

Behrooz




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mts54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Iran attempts to establish fundamentalist hold in Bosnia
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:45:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.132725.16883@cas.org> mts54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.005449.14764@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
>>
>>       WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Several thousand Iranian Revolutionary Guards are
>>fighting alongside Bosnian Muslims in an attempt by Tehran to establish
>>a fundamentalist foothold in Europe, an Iranian opposition leader said
>>Tuesday.
>>       Mohammed Mohaddessin, director of international relations for the
>>People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran, told reporters that Tehran had
>>dispatched a brigade-size force of Revolutionary Guards to arm and train
>>Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina as well as to help them repel Serbian
>>aggressors.



 Is this the same antiimperialist moslem who attended president Clinton's
banquett with a bowtie and a glass of (I am sure not alcohol or coke, because
they are unslamic and western, propably sekangebin) and earlier said Iran
bought Atomic submarine from Russia?. As a real moslem is he not happy that
his moslem brethren are getting help?
I will be very glad somebody from MKO cult explain this

Mohammad


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Any Iranians with U.S. citizenships
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:14:34 GMT

In article <71DsXB1w165w@halcyon.com> jelly belly <death@halcyon.com> writes:
>
> This is really sad to me to see someone who turned his back on his own 
>country by throwing away his Iranian citizenship, something I am proud to 
>say I still have even though I have lived here for over 18 years, now cry 
>about not being able to go back! Bo hu, bo hu hu hu! You may think that 
>your not a sell out, but you are. What made you do? A stupid American ho? 
>Your Jewish boss? Who, who! If you want to go back to Iran tear up your 
>worthless American citizenship and get your original Iranian one. Trust 
>me, then you won't have any problem going back.
>
>P.s. 
>

dear jelly belly, thanx for such thought provoking reply. i'm sure
masoud and the rest of the ahaalee that may have had any questions
in regard to their own identity are relieved after reading your
article.

it's articles such as yours that gives us the sense of where we came
from and where we're headed.

behzad

p.s. my boss is a jewish carpenter.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.)
Subject: Re: Is there an interpreter in the house?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:13:19 GMT

In article <1jlcanINNevi@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> vctr@engin.umich.edu (Michel Victor) writes:
>I have a quick question of translation: How does one say "I love you" or
>"I care deeply for you" in Farsi?
>Ah, words of necessity!
>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>  v.

our 'dr ruth' is babak sehari, the eminent authority on love, romance,
sex and all matters relating to courtship.  perhaps he can give a few
pointers to you.

meanwhile, try these:

'a' - pronounce like apple
'A' - pronounce like Arch, depArtment

i love you		
----------

doostat dAram		literaly, means i like you, but can be used 
			for expressing love as well.

dooset dAram		same as above, less formal pronunciation

Asheghetam		one word, meaning i love you.  however the
			single letter 'gh' (not pronounced as a g followed by 
			an h) can be tough to pronounce, and can cause damage 
			to your vocal chords.  ask a middle-eastern to
			train you.  

man Ashegheh toh hastam
			long form of the above, meaning 'i am in love
			with you'.

khAter khAtam!		if your sweetheart is from southern parts of
			tehran, you can use this also.  the single letter
			'kh' is also dangerous to pronounce.  not only
			it can damage tender and virgin vocal chords,
			it may cause you to accidentally spit on 
			her - something youd normally like to avoid when 
			expressing love for the first time.

ps if you have a sparc-station, i can e-mail you a soundfile, containing
the proper diction & pronunciations!  now thats technology put to good
use!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Iranian Calendar (Gah-Nameh)
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:16:51 GMT


Ba Drood bar Doostan Gerami:

I have done a little research and found out some interesting facts about
our own calendar (Jalali) and hope you guys enjoy them truely.

- Shah Jamshid (Shah Pishdadi some 9000 years ago) was a man who was in
fond of medicine and astonomy.  He was the first one who developed very
primitive telescope ("Ostor-Laab" in Farsi) and did the calculation and
suprisingly with not that much error.  He divided a year into two
seasons summer and winter, with 365 days and the beginning base was the
first day of summer (Spring for us today), and that is "New-Rouz".

- This calendar was being used until (guess who?) invaded to Persia. 
Yes, indeed!  Arabs started to push their handicapped calendar which was
based on the rotation of moon around earth (Gamari or lunar calendar) to
us and succeeded until 1079 A.C.

- In 1079, "Sultan Jalal-o-Din Malek-Shah Seljugi" ordered to revise the
calendar system.  He asked 8 outstanding astonomers and mathematicians
of the time to gather and do the following investigation.  "Omar Khayyam
Ney-Shapuri" and "Abul-Mozafar Esfrazi" where the leaders of this
investigation group.  Khayyam's group came with the conclusion of 365
days and 6 hours, where they decided to accumulate 4 of the last 6 hours
every four years and add a day to that
From: masoud@pokey.hi.com (Masoud Sadrolashrafi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Any Iranians with U.S. citizenships
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:14:20 -0000
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
Distribution: world
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Salam,

Are there any Iranians with U.S. citizenships in the net?  I am 
interested to speak with you becuase there is a major problem 
which prevents us from traveling to Iran as Iranians or Americans.
I like to know if any of you has any suggestions as to how this 
problem can be resolved.

I just received a fax letter from the Iranian Interest office in
washington.  I had asked them how Iranians with U.S. citizenships
can purchase their Moafees.  The letter simply states that Iranians 
with U.S. citizenship can not request to purchase their Moafee as 
the result of losing their Iranian citizenships (Tar-Ke Ta-Ba-E-Yet
Irani).

On the other hand, I have heard that one can't travel to Iran with
an American passport.  I was told that the Iranian Immigration Dept.
does not want to see American passports, specially held by Iranians.
Do you if there is any truth to that?

Any information will be appreciated.

Masoud Sadrol-ashrafi
masoud@hicomb.hi.com
Work Tel: (617)890-0444
From: jazz@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Farhad Jazayeri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: test
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:35:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Re: Environmentalist in Farsi
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:28:14 GMT

zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:


>Drood:

>I was wandering if anyone knows the Farsi word for "Environmentalist". 
>Also I remember a while ago some people came up with "recycling" word as well.

>I would appreciate any effort.

>Ba Sepas Faravan

The word I have always thought describes it best is:

tabeeat-garA	Environmentalist
tabeeat-garAyAn	Environmentalists.

Soheila
From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:34:14 GMT

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>dast garmi Exercise:  What is the Persian word for aval?

How about "nakhosteen"

Did I win a prize?

Soheila




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