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From: gwynne@carson.u.washington.edu (Kristan Geissel)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:51:51 GMT

In article <25540001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
>
>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
>2.) Are you pro choice?
>3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
>4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
>rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
>5.) What sex are you?
>6.) How old are you?
>7.) What religion are you?
>8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
>9.) How many years of education have you completed?

WHY	WHAT FOR 	WHO ARE YOU	WHY SHOULD I TELL YOU ANY OF THIS
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Youth Protection
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:21:50 EDT
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In <1bd665INN8t4@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU writes:

> But perhaps I've lost the thread of the argument here.  This started because
> someone complained about an over-enthusiastic intervention by child protection
> agencies into a specific case.  People then started talking about intervention
> in general, and whether it's a good idea always, often, sometimes, or never.
> It was in that context that you said, basically, "therapy isn't as good as
> a loving family."  

Um, I did?  Well, I might have, but if so, that was a stupid comment to make in
such a context. :-)

> True, but, I think, in this context, that's like saying
> "medical care isn't as good as not having cancer to begin with."  Very true,
> but not helpful to someone who has cancer -- or, analogously, to someone who
> *does* need intervention by child care workers.

Well, I don't disagree with anything you've summarized here.  In fact, I
totally agree with you.  So I don't know what happened to make us think we were
in disagreement w. one another.  Probably net.miscommunication.  Ooops. Sorry.



------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Youth Protection
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:06:21 EDT
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In <1b9fmmINNmoa@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU writes:

> professional therapist or a caring relative or friend.  Is it the suggestion
> that a therapist doesn't care if his or her client dies?  Now really!

Maybe so, but the "care" is that of a therapist-client sort of care, not the
care of a loved family member or close friend.  I teach, & I *certainly* care
about my students -- but, honestly, it really isn't in the same way that I care
about my friends & family.  E.g., there are things I'd do (out of love) for my
close friends & family that I'd never do for a student, even a suicidal one.
Are therapists vastly different?

> Also, to get away from generalities and back to the discussion that
> started all this, if the problem is that a kid is being abused by
> parents, telling the kid to ignore it and get on with life is certainly
> not going to be helpful.

Well, there's "abuse" and there's abuse.

I'm sure this is going to be controversial, but (*my opinion*) I think that in
every intimate relationship one is likely, sooner or later, to say or do
something one really oughtn't have said or done.  E.G.: (true confessions) when
my ordinarily civilized 10 year old once told me "F*** You!" in response to my
demand that the dirty clothes be put in the laundry before going outside,
before I realized what I was doing, I'd slapped her cheek with the pillowcase
that happened to be in my hand at the moment.  Now, I **AGREE** that I
shouldn't have done that, and I *DID* apologize (after the heat of the moment
had subsided) and I *DIDN'T* ever do any such thing again, and neither did she
(I think we were both shocked by the incident).

**BUT** -- I DO think that, maybe not "ignoring it," but certainly "putting it
in the past" & getting on with life was MUCH more useful than it would have
been to blow the incident up into something huge which required all kinds of
psychotherapy.  Don't you?


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Xref: sparky alt.parents-teens:1271 alt.kids-talk:1041
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Scott J. Kleper)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens,alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: Info and Experiences needed on Child Abuse
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


There are a few other groups that you might want to try. We don't
get them here at RIT, but there's k12.chat.senior, and I think a
few others (eg. k12.chat.junior) I'm not sure of the exact names.
Hope this helps! Good luck!

-Scott J. KLeper
"Sgt. Pepper"
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Youth Protection
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:11:19 EDT
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In <1bc31dINN2g2@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU writes:

> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> >Maybe so, but the "care" is that of a therapist-client sort of care, not the
> >care of a loved family member or close friend.
> > [...]
> >Well, there's "abuse" and there's abuse.
> >
> >I'm sure this is going to be controversial, but (*my opinion*) I think that in
> >every intimate relationship one is likely, sooner or later, to say or do
> >something one really oughtn't have said or done. [...]
> 
> This is all true but disingenuous.  Let's apply the same argument to doctors:
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ouch!  I'd rather be suspected of being plain-old-wrong than of being
disingenuous.

> 	When you're sick it's all very well to see a doctor, but that's
> 	no substitute for the loving care of your family.  And besides,
> 	if you just have a cut on your finger you can put a bandaid on
> 	it yourself.  So, therefore, if you have cancer, why go to a doctor?
> 	Just ignore it and get on with life!

Well, actually, I don't see the analogy here at all.  There's an important
difference between the emotional feeling of care (whether by family or
therapist or other professional) and the technical and professional skills,
therapies, and treatments which are sometimes called "health 'care'".  There's
also the difference between caring FOR (taking care of...) someone and caring
ABOUT (having certain feelings towards...) someone.

I agree that psychotherapists provide health CARE, and that they care FOR their
clients, and that they care about WHAT HAPPENS to those clients.  What I do not
agree with is that any of these senses of "caring" are the same as the sense of
"caring" as in when someone cares so much about a significant person in their
lives that they can honestly say they love that person.

You asked in your previous post (the one to which I responded) if <someone>
really thought that therapists didn't care whether their patients died.

My point is just that you can care FOR the patient, and you can care about WHAT
HAPPENS TO the patient without LOVING the patient.  In fact, if you DO love the
patient, something is probably already seriously wrong with that therapeutic
relationship.  When a suicidal person complains that "nobody cares about me" I
don't believe that the complaint is that "nobody provides appropriate physical
or emotional therapeutic treatments for me;"  I think the complaint is that
"Nobody LOVES me."  When a therapist responds by saying, "That's not true; *I*
care about you," I can totally understand the patient's miserable response of,
"That's not what I mean." 


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RE: WELL, THEN, HAVE A PO
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

-> While I'm here: do one you you locals have a list of BBS' in the
-> state? Or, do you know of one that's a local call from Cranston that
-> has Internet access? (just in case I lose this account)

 Well, I have a list, it is called the RI BBS list. You as well as
others are welcome to download it. I also have internet access. For the
number, see the tagline. I will set up a Guest account in the name of:
    RI GUEST   Password: RIBBS
 You can download it, with no probs. But you will not be able to do much
more untill validated. But you all are more than welcome to just grab
it...   The file name is RIBB1092.ZIP
 Hope this helps you...

 Chris Mathis
 UUCP : chris.mathis@madness.network23.com
 BBS  : Terminal Madness BBS - Middletown, RI - USA - 3 High Speed Nodes
 Node1  401)848-9069  v32bis,v42bis 14400 bps       No subscription
                                                   
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: tjm@e-math.ams.com (Thomas Maloney)
Subject: Re: Well, then, have a post.
Organization: American Mathematical Society
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:53:58 GMT

In article <1b6j2pINNgkc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k) writes:
>I've just made several trips to Providence over the past week to visit my
>mother, who has been running training sessions for IBM, and I've decided that
>I quite like Rhode Island.
>
>(Hey, it's got the Industrial National Bank Building in it.  Who could not 
>like a state with such a neat building in it?)

If there is ever a FAQ for this group this entry would be in it:

The Industrial Nat'l Bank Building (now the Fleet Building) looks
cool, because you've seen a lookalike for it during the opening
of the old superman tv show. That building is located in Knoxville, Tenn.
Both buildings were designed by the same architect (I don't remebmber his name)

From the IBM building, you have a nice view of downtown. for now, at least.

While I'm here: do one you you locals have a list of BBS' in the state?
Or, do you know of one that's a local call from Cranston that has
Internet access? (just in case I lose this account)

Many Thanks

Tom Maloney
tjm@math.ams.org
From: br00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin James Ryder)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: screwup at CMU
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:34:01 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


  Could you guys send the things you post on this bboard to my E-mail
adress?  My computer claims that I did not post on this bboard, and I
know I did because several people E-mailed me in response to my previous
post.  If it's too much trouble, don't bother; but until I find out
what's wrong I can't see any new posts.  Sorry for the trouble.

                                                       -Benjamin Ryder-   
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: dave@galaxia.network23.com (David H. Brierley)
Subject: Re: Well, then, have a post.
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:14:48 GMT

In article <1b6j2pINNgkc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k) writes:
>
>(Hey, it's got the Industrial National Bank Building in it.  Who could not 
>like a state with such a neat building in it?)

Well, if you know that it's properly called the Industrial National Bank
Building then you are dating yourself.  It's been quite a few years since
the bank officially changed its name to Fleet Bank and I'm sure the main
building is now called the Fleet Building or something like that.  This
reminds me of the standard Yankee traditional method of giving out
directions, "go down this road until you get to where Jim Smith used to
live and take a left, go down that road until you pass the old Warwick
Shoppers World, take a right and go down that road about two miles".

RI trivia:  When the Hospital Trust Bank tower was being built in downtown,
it was supposedly originally designed with a height slightly higher than
the Industrial National building.  Industrial National got real upset at
this and somehow forced HT to remove either 1 or 2 floors from their design.
I can't verify with certainty that this bit of trivia is true but I know
several people who are fairly high-ranking officials in both banks and they
have never refuted this.  Of course, I never asked them point blank if it
was true or not.

RI nostalgia quiz:  What is "the old Warwick Shoppers World" today, how many
of them were there originally, and where were they?

RI nostalgia quiz 2:  Speaking of Industrial National and Hospital Trust,
how did they originally get their names?
-- 
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Send comp.sources.3b1 submissions to comp-sources-3b1@galaxia.network23.com
%% Can I be excused, my brain is full. **
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RE: STUPID TOURISTS
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:36:26 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <359.22.uupcb@madness.network23.com>, mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis) writes:

> Well it wasn't me who miispell, mispel, whatever make a mistake.  I was
> just making a point that you where from MIT and correcting other
> people's errors.

No -- I went to MIT, but I'm not the poster who was commenting on 
your errors.

> On the topic of colleges.  I would like to get into MIT, but I know my
> grades (A's+B's) and my SAT scores would keep me out of it.

I'm not sure how A's could keep you out of it, unless you have more
B's than A's -- still, I've seen a lot worse grades.  It doesn't cost
much to take a shot at it, but try it only if you're the sort of guy
who enjoys an educational style that's like trying to get a drink of 
water out of a firehose.

Anyway, this has NOTHING to do with RI, so I'll stop.
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:12:41 EDT
From: r brooke furst <RF8981A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: fall foliage

So what's happening with the autumn colors? Here in DC the leaves have just
started thinking about changing colors. A great place to view the colors in all
their splendor is just northwest of Chepachet on Rte 44. I think the name of
parks are George Washington and ? Pulaski parks. There were some nice foot
trails surrounding the lake. Just be careful, the area (George Washington park)
is open to hunters. I came around a bend in the road to find two men with
rifles in their arms.

What's it like in South County?

Nothin' like a stuffie on an Autumn day in Galilee!
From: Rmanochia@warren.med.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Old Jamestown Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:44:58 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


	Thought I'd give this a try. I was born and raised in the north end 
of Providence and attended LaSalle Academy (any more of us out there) class 
of 65. 
	On the idea (or idear as some us say) of using the west end section 
of the old bridge for a fishing pier is quite a good idea, althought it didn'
t take a rocket scientist to come up with the idea. People have been using 
that section of the bridge for that purpose for years (actually as long as I 
can remember); especially when the mackrel and/or blues are running.

	Also, is there anyone out there familiar with the Bradley Cafe on 
Admiral Street near PC??
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Well, then, have a post.
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:47:30 GMT

tjm@e-math.ams.com (Thomas Maloney) writes:

>The Industrial Nat'l Bank Building (now the Fleet Building) looks
>cool, because you've seen a lookalike for it during the opening
>of the old superman tv show. That building is located in Knoxville, Tenn.

I prefer to refer to it as the Giant Enema. After all, Fleet has been
giving it to the people of RI for years now...


>While I'm here: do one you you locals have a list of BBS' in the state?
>Or, do you know of one that's a local call from Cranston that has
>Internet access? (just in case I lose this account)

InteleCom Data Systems.... 401-884-9002
Anomaly................... 401-455-0347


MD
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Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Well, then, have a post.
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.104730.12049@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> I wrote:

>>>While I'm here: do one you you locals have a list of BBS' in the state?
>>>Or, do you know of one that's a local call from Cranston that has
>>>Internet access? (just in case I lose this account)
>>
>>InteleCom Data Systems.... 401-884-9002
>>Anomaly................... 401-455-0347
>>

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:

>Are there any with telnet access?  RI or SE Massachusetts would be
>fine.

Both of those systems offer complete Internet access.


MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances 
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-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              /
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: zpope@osf.org (William Pope)
Subject: Re: Sources of boating info?
Reply-To: zpope@osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:15:01

In article <1992Oct15.104906.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> rstepno@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>What would you say are the best sources of local information about
>recreational boats and boating (sail, power, sport fishing, regulations,
>places to go etc.) for both Rhode Island and SE Mass.?

Soundings, Offshore, and the Newport Sailing Center.  The topic is a little
broad so it's difficult to give more specific info.  Maybe if you told us
what it was you were thinking of doing.
=bill



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From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Re: Jamestown Bridge
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:56:03 GMT
	<ZPOPE.92Oct13113525@serverx.osf.org>
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
In-reply-to: zpope@osf.org's message of 13 Oct 92 15:35:25 GMT

In article <ZPOPE.92Oct13113525@serverx.osf.org> zpope@osf.org (William Pope) writes:



   In article <1b6le4INNh24@bigboote.WPI.EDU> android@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Andrew J. Petrarca) writes:
   >
   >Is the new Jamestown bridge still on schedule to open this month?  Last
   >I heard (months ago) it was scheduled to open in the middle of this month.
   >It'd certainly be a coup for Sundlun to open the bridge right before the
   >election, since getting it finished was one of his major campaign promises
   >in 1990.

#   I think the opening party is this Saturday, Oct 17th.  Does anyone know
#   what's going to happen to the old bridge?

Sure it's for sale. Want to buy it? I have another one in Brooklyn
that I can give for half price. Hell I'll through in a pizza too.




--
Sean J. Merritt		         |      Nietzsche che dice?
Dept of Physics Boston University| 	       Boh!	
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Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: tmt@osf.org (Tom Talpey)
Subject: Re: Car thief shooting
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:38:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.194206.11312@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, peg@cs.washington.edu (Peter Granger) writes:
|> 
|> Back around April sometime (I think -- may have been earlier) there
|> was an incident where the Providence cops chased a juvenile car thief
|> from downtown to Swan Point Cemetery, and shot the kid...
|> 
|> So, what's happened with that case?

There were three kids, the one who got shot wasn't the thief but a 14 year
old who was along for the ride. The shooting happened in Pawtucket and
they never found a gun. They concluded the officers were mistaken but did
not charge them. There are a number of open issues as I remember regarding
who did what on whose jurisdiction. Providence and Pawtucket police were
involved, and an ambulance or two ran into each other. The boy recovered,
I don't remember whether his pals were ever caught.

There was a good bit of discussion as to why the police chased them in the
first place. It seems they were driving a Central Falls policeman's stolen
car, with an FOP badge, and were driving slowly on Dyer Street downtown (the
car wasn't yet reported stolen). A patrolman wondered why three black
teenagers would be driving such a car in such a way, and pulled up to investigate, they took off. So you can imagine what questions were asked.
I think they were asked in an administrative hearing.

Tom Talpey
tmt@osf.org
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Re: Operation Clean Sweep - Senators
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:46:39 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Oct14.133043.7289@cs.brown.edu> man@cs.brown.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes:
>Thank you for posting this informative table.  But who or what is
>Operation Clean Sweep?  Depending upon their viewpoints, I might 
>actually decide that the lower ratings are better...

   They're one of about three groups in RI whose aim is to throw out
the baby with the bathwater (to coin a phrase).  I'm personally not
sure if that's a bad idea, given RI politics.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Well, then, have a post.
Date: 10 Oct 1992 12:42:01 GMT
Organization: the institute for applied wedge physics and petrarcosmology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

I've just made several trips to Providence over the past week to visit my
mother, who has been running training sessions for IBM, and I've decided that
I quite like Rhode Island.

(Hey, it's got the Industrial National Bank Building in it.  Who could not 
like a state with such a neat building in it?)

k

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