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From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:50:05 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>Again, no one has mentioned that the survey is proof that use of condoms
>is not correlated with low HIV+. 

Arthur, you brainless twit, are you blind or ignoring the posts you
don't like?  

while (you still don't understand) reread the following:

  Condoms *do* correlate with low HIV rates, and the SF study does
  NOT contradict that.

  It DOES show that ad campaigns have succesfully persuaded a lot of
  gays, particularly those who are HIV+, to take safer sex very
  seriously, so that they will not infect anyone else.

  The study does not look at whether they were using condoms back when
  they were infected, it looks at whether they are using them NOW.

  Because of the ridiculously long incubation period of HIV, it is
  very difficult to tell when a person contracted it, and what kind of
  sex they were practicing at the time.  This study does not even try to
  do that.

More importantly, all of this was explained to you in excruciating
detail the LAST time you misunderstood the same damn survey!  (Along
with a whole lot of other errors in your tortured use of this data to
prop up your pet theories.)

Arthur you have a lot of strange ideas about AIDS, like "effective
immunity" and the relative safety of Asians.  When you cross the
line into discouraging people from taking precautions against AIDS,
you're no longer a kook: you're a recklessly negligent danger to
the people around you, and should be severely spanked.

You have a choice, folks: listen to the CDC, or listen to a Californian
gossip columnist with an agenda a mile wide.  Ignore the Hu - practice
safe sex.

Paul


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: American History?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 22:47:28 GMT

In article <921223.104707.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com
(Alex Miller) writes:
>In <1992Dec22.042159.7792@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>   underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>> Where has Mr. Miller been?  I suspect that in most universities of
>> at least average caliber, the issue of the Japanese-Americans during
>> WWII is discussed and has been discussed for many decades in any
>> American history class.
>I don't doubt that it has been discussed in University classes.
>I do have my doubts that Japanese-Americans have been discussed
>in High School history classes - at least that is my recollection
>going to a predominantly Black public High School in Harlem
>during the late 1960s.

Fair enough.  I also do not recall learning about the internment of
Japanese-Americans, in my high school history course.  My first encounter
with this subject was in a college history course.  (On the other hand, I
did learn about the 1900's emigration of Orientals to the USA in secondary
school.)

However, I do believe that the situation is currently changing, at least
at the secondary school level.  Although many attempts have been made
by loud-mouthed historical revisionists, there have been other attempts
to write history books that accurately present all facets of American history.

By the way, "late 1960's" is 24+ years ago.  Things have changed a bit since
then, haven't they?

>[interesting points deleted]

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From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Thai women, a repost from soc.culture.thai
Keywords: asian american, thai
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:40:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ


Old world, by which I mean traditional asian culture, expectations of
asian women, would be very confining and perhaps cause a feeling of 
anger and powerlessness among some asian women.  Especially if these old world 
expectations are applied to asian-ge women who grew up here.  That's my guess.
It is also unfair to expect such "obedience and loyalty" from asian women
by people who grow up here in the free USA. ---> Unless the woman knows the 
alternative lifestyles of women in america, and makes an informed decision
to stay within asian culture, and elects to include the "obedience & loyalty"
(probably misunderstood by my western views) aspects of such a role.

I know I'm not an expert, but I have an inkling that in a traditional asian
marriage in the ideal form, deferance to the husband by the wife, should
be followed by culturally sensitive consideration and the effort not to take 
advantage of the wife's deferring posture by
the husband.  Such deference by the wife is easy to take advantage of, and 
probably easy to abusively exploit.  And the husband considers his wife
as a person, not as a "pet" or exotic chinadoll (which would be dehumanizing).

Of course this is speculation and based on observation of my relatives in Korea.
When I was there 5 years ago, it was really hard for me to see any salient
differences in behavior in comparison to a "traditional 1950's western" marriage.  They wore western clothes.  They ate Korean and Chinese food.  The husband
worked, and the wife ran the house.  There wasn't really any bossing around
C
going on,... - by the husband.  However, none of my aunts in Korea had a 
full or part time  
job.  My oldest cousine, however intelligent, is not majoring in anything 
heavy (interior design) perhaps under parental pressure.  But my mom went
to medical school in Korea, way back when, so there is a different example.
But there is sexism there, and asia is chronologically in the 1950's 
compared to the U.S. in this regard.

The image of a domineering asian husband and quiet submissive asian wife is
quite popular (anyone see the "Shogun" miniseries).  
I don't know how true it is however.  Such a thing is
probably frowned upon in modern asia as well.
And of course, it is easy not to be an ideal husband, and people 
exist that  are abusive
and exploitive everywhere, eastern or western.

Here in the U.S., such a tradional asian marriage relationship 
probably is in for some major culture
clash (of course, so is the traditional way of raising children here is in
for a *MASSIVE* culture clash, but that's for another time. ;-))

----- well this was my .02$ worth... I would like to hear what people in 
	asian studies, and who are more fluent in modern asian culture
	feel about aspects of asian interpersonal relations.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Kristi Yamaguchi
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:31:54 GMT

In article <14980@cis.rand.org> caryho@cis.rand.org (Cary Ho) writes:
	[Cary's reporting of Kristi's advertising eye-color-changing
	 contacts deleted.]
>

Hey, I'm glad to see she's getting at least a FEW endorsements!
Proves that in America, you don't have to be white to cash in on
your amazing atheletic achievements, so long as you plug products
that reinforce white superiority.  It's better than not getting
any chance at all, isn't it?  :-/
					--Alan Hu
From: ace@interlaken.esd.sgi.com (Al Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:07:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

Drives me up the wall when someone says "Gee, you Asians are so smart."
or statements along those lines.

It's just as insulting as any other stereotype.   Think about it,
If you don't succeed, you're stupid.  If you do, well, it was all 
genetic anyway.  Shoots individual effort right down the toilet.

Something along the lines of, "Of course he won the race, but he's black..."


-Al
International R&D 			ace@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics, Inc.			415/390-5281
	"I'm through with racin', bring on the mares." 
			-- Anonymous (One software project too many. :-))
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Rising Sun by Michael Crichton
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:22:28 GMT
	<1992Dec31.084354.1658@microsoft.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Freinds,

.

     This thread is very interesting to me. By, being Americans in which
I assume that most of you are, you should be aware of the'agles of
racism. Playing one group of Asians agianst another has always been the
target of the American
government. Especially, those people at the CIA. This type of analysis,
although the imagination of the author maybe interesting, the motive is
horrible. This is an imagination. But, we of the realistical world are
suppose to have the power to separate to real from the unreal. It is
unique as to the response to this
within this group.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Draft FAQ
Date: 31 Dec 1992 08:45:38 GMT
Organization: Renegade Legion
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu
Keywords: FOB


>>>"FOB" stands for "fresh off the boat" (an immigrant).  Derogatory.
>>  ^^^
>>Gotta keep up with the times!! It's "FOP: Fresh off the plane" now!!  8^)

FOB now can also mean: Fresh Off the Boeing (as in airplane.)  :)





p.s. this is my first post to scaa- long time reader, though.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.181127.19936@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> 
yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu) writes:

>It seems that there are people who hold prejudiced opinions of
>Chinese Americans(USians and Canadians) who want to preserve their
>culture heritage by teaching their next genaration Chinese.
>(the word "you" in the following text refers to these people)
>I say "prejudiced" because this effort of culture preservation is
>not peculiar to the Chinese community. You see it in the Jewish
>community, you see it in French-speaking Quebec, and many other
>places as well. 

Exactly right !!!  

>                And I want to stress that if you have negative
>feelings towards these Chinese Americans because in your imagination
>the Chinese culture are forced upon the children, should you not 
>denounce the Jews for their Jewish cultural indoctrination?
>Should you not denounce Quebec for imposing the no-English-sign law?
>Or even should you not denounce your parents for educating you in
>whatever culture background you have now and depriving you of the
>choice of one million other cultures that you might want to try?
>If not, your statement aginast the Chinese can only be treated
>as a racial discriminatory remark.

Right again, IMO !!!  

>Which is exactly my conclusion.

>By the way, I think most parents want to pass on to their children
>their cultural heritage as valuable knowledge, knowledge that in their
>belief can make better life for the children. A lot of first generation
>Chinese immigrants I know dislike some aspects of the North American
>culture, and they try to teach their children values from the Chinese
>culture. Some are even considering sending the kids back to China and
>let them stay there till they finish primary school. I don't think highly
>of this approach, however I do not have a particularly good idea either.
>This is still something that I keep wondering about.

I am not sure this is a bad idea.  American primary schools are notorious 
for their failure to properly prepare their charges for further academic 
experience.  And PRC-educated kids tend to clean up in American 
universities.  Just ask me.  I've taught them, and have been colleauges 
with them.  Intellectually, I have no complaints.  

Check out the recent article in Scientific American about the differences 
in Asian and American primary education systems.  The Asian systems, 
whether in Japan, Taiwan, or Beijing, come out looking _MUCH_ superior to 
the American system.  

BTW, I am a walking-wounded veteran of the American system.  It sucks, 
folks.  I KNOW.  

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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:06:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


		melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me) :
		> Now time out for a little drooling on my part (indulge me) 
		> - I find the Japanese full-body tattoos to be incredibly 
		> erotic. If anybody saw the movie "Showdown in Little Tokyo" 
		> with Brandon Lee and Dolph Lundgren (affectionately known 
		> as Dunk Lunkhead), the Japanese Yakuzas all had full-body 
		> tattoos. Wow and woW.

	georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) :
	> Why, how typically Chinese-cu.  For those who don't know, Chinese-cu
	> like Ms. Liu (?) advocate the permanent marking of supposed 
	> criminals.  This cruel practice is promoted by Chinese-cu idiots 
	> and Nazis.
	> :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-) 

Ms. Liu??!! Who's Ms. Liu?? George, have you been seeing someone else??

I admit it. I admit it. I'm bad. I write bad checks. I hang toilet paper
the wrong way. I don't use my turn signals when I drive.

I have no remorse. So there. Nyah.

	Melinda (Cheung!!) 

:^)  :^)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: henrylin@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Henry Hung-i Lin)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:24:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.232515.7292@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>So, let's get back to my original point.  When I say that "_no_ Chinese-cu
>Chinese-ge objects to a statement that Chinese are inherently non-violent",
>I am saying that the group of Chinese-cu, collectively, is exhibiting racism.
>Why?  Because I have just asserted that, in this whole group of Chinese-cu
>on USENET, no _one_ came forward to object to this obviously racist assertion.
>I.e. _No_ bloody Chinese-cu came forward.  (BTW, this particular statement
>is a "real" one and is taken from another newsgroup.  Yep.  No Chinese-cu
>came forward to object.  Typical.)
>
>I am _not_ saying that everyone should object.  I am _not_ saying that any
>particular person should object.
>
>But the fact that _no_ one has said anything suggests something to me.
>I read some other newsgroups, where I rarely post, and I often notice that
>there's almost always some Japanese-cu or Western-cu who would object
>to such racist statements.
>
>This contrasts to Chinese-cu bigotry, racism, and narrowmindedness.
>

Dwight, my friend, has it ever occurred to you that the reason why
nobody has replied to your baiting is that doing so achieves nothing?
While you do exemplify many of the things that I despise seeing in
people, your flames serve no purpose. Perhaps this would explain the
lack of responses? Hmm, maybe I'll put "Dwight Joe" in my KILL file
too...

					henri

to your baiting 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c)
Subject: Re: Looking for African-American female
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:27:08 GMT

?????????????????????  Why!!!!!!!!!! :>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: atom@soda.berkeley.edu (Allen Tom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:47:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1go32jINN1fc@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>
>From personal experience, I've known many ChineseAs who regret that
>their parents didn't force them to learn Chinese (note, I didn't use
>the word force by accident).  I've also known many who could care
>less.  I myself right now am trying relearn the handful of Cantonese
>I know.

I regret that my parents didn't force me to learn Cantonese. (They were born
in China, too!) Not knowing my own language is one of my bigest shames. It's
embarassing. 

I might take a Mandarin class next semester though...  but I'd really perfer
to learn Cantonese.

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From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:21:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	No, I wasn't forced to go to Saturday school as a kid.
Therefore I ended up speaking Japanese, but only being able to read
kana. When I got to junior high and was all of a sudden expected to
be able to read and had to memorize all those characters, I wished I
had been forced, but oh well mou syou ga nai. ^_^
	I agree that Saturday school is a good thing. I think it is
important though to show your children by example that learning a
language is a natural thing and not just some onerous task they have
to do on Saturday. I would suggest speaking the language at home (of
course, this is the most basic thing!), reading books in it in front
of the kids, and doing fun things involving that language, if
possible. Rent movies in Chinese, if you can.
	I think sometimes it's okay to expect extra studying out of
your children - I think they WILL thank you later, and young
children do not have the necessary judgement to know what is good
for them all the time. Just my own opinion of course.
		Maiko Covington     mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:14:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

If you were truly confused by people's using of just 'Chinese' and
not always explicitly 'Chinese-genetic' or 'Chinese-cultured', then
you would assume it to mean 'Chinese-genetic' 50% of the time and
'Chinese-cultured' 50% of the time. But you don't; you assume it to
be 'Chinese-genetic' ALL of the time because that way you don't have
to consider responding as if the other poster actually was making an
intelligent rebuttal to your argument. That's what *I* get out of it
anyway, Mr. Zhou. I suppose I could be wrong.  
		MaiKO Covington (yep, my name ends in 'ko'...)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 02:54:13 GMT

In article <42949@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
writes:
>P.S. Dwight - why is it that when someone criticized your arguments
>as being against 'Chinese', you immediately assume they meant
>'Chinese-genetic' and then point out that you are against the

Sooka.

In that case, the person who uses "Chinese" should use my notation system.
The confusion that Maichan (Ms. Covington) indicates is 1 of the reasons that
my notation (-ge/-cu) was contrived--i.e. to clear up problems like this.
If that person refuses to use my notation and insists that Chinese-cu
= Chinese-ge, then that's his problem.  Not mine.

By the way, if I respond (though usually I don't) to a Chinese-cu idiot who
insists that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu, then "that I immediately assume they
meant 'Chinese-ge'" or Chinese-cu doesn't make any difference.  Why?
Because that bozo has already assumed that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu, so 
according to him, they are one in the same.  Moron.

>culture, etc? In most cases I'd bet they are criticizing your
>arguments against Chinese CULTURE. Why does the ommission of a
>suffix have to default to meaning '-ge' and not '-cu'?

See above.  If they are pigheaded enough to refuse to use my notation
and to intentionally obfuscate the situation, then that's their problem.
My notation is there for anyone to use.

But, as I note above, if a Chinese-cu bozo, who believes that Chinese-cu
= Chinese-ge, then there's nothing wrong with defaulting to "-ge".  Why?
(Again)  Because they are one in the same, according to that Chinese-cu bozo.

> I suspect
>it's a weasely way of wimping out of a discussion, but then that's
>just my own opinion of course. ^_^

Chigau yo.

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