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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1993Jan1.081436.16055@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>cyan@uhura.cc.rochester.edu () writes:
>: 
>: I know exactly what Pete is referring to... bogus "THC" was around in the mid
>: 70's. I got some once (and once only, I *do* learn from mistakes!) in
>: California. The dude who was selling it referred to it is THC, and it was a
>: white powder. I was skeptical about it, but did it with a friend anyway.
>
>Hm. Apparently the more recent users know/knew little about their drugs.
>From my experiences in the 60s and early 70s - no one would be fooled by
>such a claim. 

In the late 60's or early 70's, I remember reading in Time magazine that
Sandoz had synthesized THC for drug research purposes.  This was closely
followed by what was claimed to be THC capsules being sold on the street.
The usual underground rags were warning people not to take it as it was
actually PCP, aka "horse tranquilizer".  Some friends of mine tried it,
and didn't have a very good time.

>: From the effects I got from it, it probably was PCP; pretty nasty stuff.
>: Hash oil was around then too and was referred to as hash oil or honey oil,
>: *not* THC. Whatever it was, the bogus THC that was being marketed back then
>: was not the real deal (and probably was PCP for the most part).
>
>Yep - and probably still is - if someone actually would try to sell such a
>thing now.
>
>... delided ...
>
>: If I recall this correctly, wasn't orange sunshine "barrel" acid, in other
>: words, in a tiny pill form (about the size of a saccharin tablet). It's
>: real easy to "step on" something in pill form. I did some bad acid in
>: Germany (purple barrel), that gave me severe stomach cramps. I *did* trip,
>: so there was lsd in it, but who knows what else could have been in it?
>: You are right about blotter acid though. I *never* had bad blotter acid,
>: however, I stopped doing acid 11 years ago.
>
>I don't recall any of the chemical analyses finding any such additions to
>ANY form of lsd - whether blotter, window-pane, barrel, microdots or any
>other form. That does not mean that such didn't occur. If anyone has any
>documentation of such adulteration, I would appreciate receiving a cite.
>
>Lsd, all by itself, can cause stomach cramps - among other symptoms.

Yes, using lsd on a number of consecutive days without the benefit of a
normal intake of food will cause the stomach to do all kinds of interesting
things.  I used to take antacids before dropping lsd, as lsd caused my
stomach to produce copious amounts of digestive fluids.

-- 

Rick Kelly    rmkhome!rmk@merk.com    merk!rmkhome!rmk    rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Re: Eye redness experiment a success!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:26:42 GMT

In article <2B38FD6A.15850@ics.uci.edu> honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:
> despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
>>In article <something> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>[experiment deleted]
>>>I suggest trying the experiment with a single eye protected with
>>>goggles (and the other left exposed).  It's a more elegant
>>>experiment that way.  If you're really ambitious you could have
>>>independent observers (who were not present for the actual
>>>smoking) 'score' your eye redness.
>>
>>I remember my eye doctor telling me that medication, infections (and I
>>imagine smoke particles) are easily transferred from one eye to the other.
>>Also, an irritation in one eye may affect the other.  The eye becomes red
>>because of an allergic reaction, release of histamines, etc.  This may
>>make both eyes turn red despite the possibility that the goggles really
>>work.
>
> I know that one pupil will respond to light in the other eye, due to
>shared neural connections.  Conjunctival injection (the med term for
>red eyes) I have a harder time believing.
>
>But Bagg's point is very important: the original poster included no control.
>No control, no conclusion.
>
>I didn't catch the orignal reason for doing this experiment, but
>I can imagine it was hypothesized that redness if from topical irritation.
>But smoking in a windy place keeps smoke off the eyes, yet they get red.
>Another data point supporting the systemic counter-hypothesis.
>
>
>

Hey... I am the original poster, and I did NOT submit this as a formal   
experiment.  It worked for me and has now worked several times without flaw.

The control is the SAME weed smoked in the same conditions.  Different effects.

I forgot to use them one night and BAM they were red as hell again.  SO just
take your scientific egos out of your asses and relax about this stuff.  Not
everyone has to submit a full research paper with citations to make a point.


-- 
"Peace of mind produces right values, right values produce right thoughts.
Right thoughts produce right actions and right actions produce work which will
be a material reflection for others to see of the serentity at the center of it
all." - Robert M. Pirsig  "Ride the surf of the sea of neuron activity." - Me
From: hemlock@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Bleeding Rivets)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's Drummer)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:30:33 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Dec24.063150.21665@lasernet.co.za> brianl@lasernet.co.za (Brian Little) writes:
[quoted material deleted]
>
>Syd Barrat, Origioinal guitarist for Pink floyd is the person in question
>here, he is in fact staying with his mother. Not very functional. drinks
>tea. during rehearsals for the animals LP in 1977 or so he pitched up at
>the studios and announced that he was ready to rejoin  Pink Floyd. they
>wrote the song "Shine on crazy diamond" for him. Some of his last
>appearances were on top of the pops doing See EMily Play, By the third week
>he was still wearing the same outfit now very creased etc and played one
>chord throughout the song. No doubt the beginning of the end. 
>
>Another interesting casualty is Peter Green, guitarist of the original
>blues FLEETWOOD MAC, He now grows his nails.
>Gos is alive and well and lives in a sugar cube.
>>-- pjm@cshl.org

Syd Barrett did come out with a couple of solo albums after his mental
episode[s].  I like them although I don't listen to them much; they sound
a lot like his stuff with Pink Floyd (See Emily Play and so on) but curiously
overlaid with a leaden heaviness reminiscient of a Thorazine stupor.

I think Roger Waters is competent but Syd was the genius;  Roger Waters
has this "I'm alienated" shtick but Syd Barret was alien.  Get "Relics"
to check out some of his contributions to Pink Floyd.



-- 
"The possessed's mad speech is the higher wisdom of the world, since it is 
human...Why have we not yet acquired this insight in relation to the world
of the free will?  Because outwardly we are the masters of madness, because
the insane are violated by us, and we hinder them from living according to
their ethical laws...Now we must endeavor to overcome the dead point in our
relationship to insanity."       --Wieland Herzfelde, 1914
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From: vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:13:55 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
>
> LSD is not toxic, but its effects can be very frightening, or lead to 
> dangerous behaviour. Both of those can cause death,
>

    There really is such a thing as a toxic dose of LSD - it's just that,
    compared to a normal dose (which is quite small in absolute terms), 
    it's an _incredibly large_ amount. There was a study in which they
    administered very large doses of LSD to elephants (I'm not making this
    up) to determine - I forget exactly why - how much LSD it takes to 
    snuff a pachyderm. (The fact that the people runnning this study chose 
    _elephants_ as their guinea pigs probably says a lot about the effects 
    of handling LSD). Anyway, I remember this distinctly from one of my 
    college textbooks (it is the kind of thing that sort of _haunts_ you), 
    and - if pressed - could probably come up with a reference. By the way, 
    in case you ever need to kill an elephant, if I remember correctly, the 
    proper dose is approxiamtely 30 grams (or about 300,000 people-hits).
    

--
                                                         vince@gda.cadence.com

    Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe
        - John Lennon
From: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: legalization in Britian
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:58:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
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In a previous article, mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) says:

>petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:
>Well since the vast majority of people take drugs everyday the problem
>would seem to me to be that of convincing Americans that some of the drugs
>which are currently illegal are not as harmful as they believe, or in some
>cases harmless or even beneficial. This is *not* an easy task. Given the
>current state of hysteria the only people who will believe this are long

I must disagree here.  I think the important thing is the convince the
public that the government has no right to tell them what they can and
can't do to their bodies.


>htime users of these drugs who *are* the proof and few people will believe
>them. I was recently told by the best known psychiatrist in Houston, TX
>that it is *not* unusual for people two go insane by trying LSD one time.
>This is the accepted medical wisdom. He also told me that Marijuana was

But it is also "accepted medical wisdom" that both cigarettes and
alcohol are harmful yet I don't see the public crying out for
prohibition.

>very harmful and could make you less intelligent. I'm sure he honestly
>believes this and it does no good to call everyone who disagrees with your
>position on drug legalization stupid or conspirators of some kind. These
>are good honest people. Subtle but constant persuasion is the best. Point
>out the counter example, gently educate people to the great literature of
>psychedelic mysticism from Aldous Huxley, William Blake yes even Leary can
>help. Don't give up but realize that things are not going to change right
>away. Pushing too hard always has the opposite effect from what the pusher
>is trying to achieve and the truth has a way of somehow coming out.

I'd like to be this optimistic but I think the truth has more
to do with the money being made by keeping certain things
illegal and other things legal than it does with morality.  
>
>
>--
P.

-- 
--
"We're desperate, Get used to it,
  It's kiss or kill" - X
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From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: Injected with a poison (ignorance & lsd)
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:34:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.020729.2170@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (salvador dali on x) writes:
|> If possible, I would like to create a flyer to distribute to my
|> school, that talks about the myths, that relays the basics of what LSD
|> is all about (good and bad, of course - it should be unbiased), and
|> that would include a list of sources and a
|> suggested-further-reading-bibliography to back up the statements...

Something like the info-E pamphlet that some net.people were distributing?

Yes, that would be nice.  I can't go handing out the LSD-FAQ, some 60 odd
pages, whenever someone starts spouting off Urban Legends, myths and just
plain falsehoods.  It would be nice to have something as straightforward
and well designed as the info-E thing.  I'll send you some e-mail.
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From: cyan@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ()
Subject: Bogus "THC"
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:44:51 GMT

>> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>> 
>> Strychnine WAS occasionally added to LSD, but USUALLY THAT CONCOCTION WAS NOT
>> SOLD AS "ACID" OR "LSD".  It was usually sold as as "THC" (which was more
>> frequently PCP, but was occasionally LSD adulterated with various substances,

> In article <1992Dec31.092114.15951@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com
> (bill nelson) writes:
>
> Are you sure about this? A pothead might buy "hash oil", but I doubt if he
> would be interested in any tab or blotter or pill being sold as THC. Remember
> that THC one of the active ingredients in marijuana. 
>
> If the people wanted a psychedelic experience, they would buy lsd or angel
> dust. They would not buy some substance called THC.

Bill, 

I know exactly what Pete is referring to... bogus "THC" was around in the mid
70's. I got some once (and once only, I *do* learn from mistakes!) in
California. The dude who was selling it referred to it is THC, and it was a
white powder. I was skeptical about it, but did it with a friend anyway.
From the effects I got from it, it probably was PCP; pretty nasty stuff.
Hash oil was around then too and was referred to as hash oil or honey oil,
*not* THC. Whatever it was, the bogus THC that was being marketed back then
was not the real deal (and probably was PCP for the most part).

>> occasionally strychnine) or "mescaline". I also seem to remember that outside
>> of California (and maybe even in California) some of the "Orange Sunshine"
>> being sold was bogus and actually LSD combined with strychnine.

>I think your memory is incorrect. I would appreciate any documentation you
>can provide about lsd blotter being contaminated with any drug that was not
>a byproduct of the synthesis.
>
>Bill

If I recall this correctly, wasn't orange sunshine "barrel" acid, in other
words, in a tiny pill form (about the size of a saccharin tablet). It's
real easy to "step on" something in pill form. I did some bad acid in
Germany (purple barrel), that gave me severe stomach cramps. I *did* trip,
so there was lsd in it, but who knows what else could have been in it?
You are right about blotter acid though. I *never* had bad blotter acid,
however, I stopped doing acid 11 years ago.

Charlie


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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: RSA sucks (Re: PGP warning (ooo; I am scared))
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:36:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.184948.9271@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>As to the substance, the yelling and screaming at MIT, RSA, etc.  is
>both useless and irrelevant. 

They are the patent holders are they not? No one forced them to 
patent RSA, and no one forced them to exploit the current lax
practices of the patent office.

>Foard's complaint, as he himself realizes
>by the end of the message, is either with patent law or with the
>patent office. 

If I find a legal way to take $10000 from you then you have no
complaint with me?

>Since nobody here is empowered to change either,
>Foard should take his complaint to someone who can do something
>about it. 

But people are empowered to write/e-mail/phone etc. 
Even people outside the US who are in countries that have patent treaties
with the US are effected.

>For starters, he might try his local Congressperson and
>let us know how he makes out.

I sent a copy to Clintons e-mail address, and will be snail mailing
them to my congress critters. 

Of course if they recieve 100 instead of 1 there is actually a chance they
will notice...
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From: brianl@lasernet.co.za (Brian Little)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's Drummer)
Date: 24 Dec 92 06:31:50 GMT
Organization: Lasernet (Pty) Ltd.

pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:

>In article <26T6VB1w164w@raley.Gwinnett.COM> pertinax@raley.Gwinnett.COM (Pertinax) writes:
>>I've read some of the earlier posts about the apocryphal LSD "vegetable" and
>>was wondering about the case I always hear about:  the drummer from Pink 
>>Floyd.  I don't know his name, or much about him- but the rumors I've heard
>>for years claim that he took to much LSD, and now lives with his mother and
>>can't remember being in the band.  Is there any truth to this at all, or is it
>>a classic UL?  Please don't flame me over this, as I have no personal 
>>knowledge of LSD's long term effects, if any.

>the last blurb i heard about him was that he was into race
>care driving. of course, he could be playing with electric
>racecars in his mother's house, but since the news report
>was of a partner of his getting killed, i don't think so.
>-- 
>-- Pat Monardo




Syd Barrat, Origioinal guitarist for Pink floyd is the person in question
here, he is in fact staying with his mother. Not very functional. drinks
tea. during rehearsals for the animals LP in 1977 or so he pitched up at
the studios and announced that he was ready to rejoin  Pink Floyd. they
wrote the song "Shine on crazy diamond" for him. Some of his last
appearances were on top of the pops doing See EMily Play, By the third week
he was still wearing the same outfit now very creased etc and played one
chord throughout the song. No doubt the beginning of the end. 

Another interesting casualty is Peter Green, guitarist of the original
blues FLEETWOOD MAC, He now grows his nails.
Gos is alive and well and lives in a sugar cube.
>-- pjm@cshl.org
From: brent@media.mit.edu (Brent C.J. Britton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: phone# for Interlab?
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:38:05 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Anyone know how to order from Interlab (London) by phone?
-brent


-- 
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expect to see a perfect work from imperfect man." -- Publius (Hamilton)
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From: anon@foo.bar (a f)
Subject: Activation of DMT and DET in 'rooms
Organization: XYZ, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:20:39 GMT

It is stated in the LSD FAQ that  "The mushroom psylocybin cubensis
contains all four of these indole derivatives [ DMT, DET, psylocin, psylocybin], as well as others". As we all know, DMT and DET are not orally active since MAO enzymes in
the stomach 'destroy' them. However, in the psylocybin  section of the 
_Psychedelic Encyclopedia_ it is stated that if mushrooms are chewed thoroughly for 
approximately five minutes prior to ingestion, the psylocibin will hit in approx. 2-3 
minutes after that, since a good deal of it s absorbed thru the mucous lining in the
mouth.

Now, if that is the case,would not the other indole derivatives such as DMT and DET be
absorbed thru there as well, thus bypassing the MAO's in the stomach?
Or are there MAO enzymes in the saliva that would render them inactive?

Thoughts anyone?

Thank you for your time.

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From: dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Darren Lupul)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] DMAE questions
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 01:13:34 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- : What are some sources for dimethylamoinoethanol (DMAE)? 

I am using a product called DMAE-H3, which is manufactured by Twinlab, 
Ronkonkoma, New York, 11779. According to the label it is a concentrated 
solution of the PABA salt of DMAE stabilized with benzoic acid. 

Unfortunately it is very difficult to find in Canada as it is a 
prescription item. IMHO it is worth the trouble.


Darren Lupul              dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:13:28 GMT

sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
: In article <1992Dec18.205224.3243@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >
: >Nope. All it means is that the person took some LSD. He also may have had a
: >few grams of salt shortly before hand, with a meal. Are we to say that, in
: >his case X grams of salt were fatal? Of course not, that would be stupid.
: >
: The man was _legally_ declared as having died from the effects of the LSD
: in a Coroner's court, by a consultant toxicologist from what many consider
: to be the best teaching hospital in the UK if not the world.

Well, it is hard to argue, without having seen the report. Would it be
possible to obtain it?

: >I suspect that the LSD had nothing to do with the death, and that he died
: >of acute alcohol poisoning. 
: >
: I'd be *very* surprised if a consultant toxicologist overlooked this
: possibility, Bill. I'd go with Dr. Toseland on this one.

See above. Thanks for the update.

Bill
From: MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (David B. Horvath, CDP)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:35:26 GMT
Organization: Hidden - I don't speak for them...
X-Stuff:      <This should be witty, but I'm too tired right now.>

In article <724842927snx@scarla.UUCP>, darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher) says:
>
> >
> > A FOAF once smoked MJ with a girl he was relatively good friends with.
>Well,
> > that she didn't want to have sex with anybody, yet while high she was not
>so
> > reluctant. <Stuff Deleted>
>
>If you are "a little stupid about remembering your values..." while under
>the influence of a substance then you should 1) learn to be more
>responsible about becoming intoxicated or 2) re-evaluate your values.
>

  IMHO, this is the entire point of those ads on TV (the cartoon and car&
  tree&couple necking in back - learn to be more responsible.  Either don't
  become intoxicated (MJ/alcohol/etc.) (the preferred method) and don't have
  sex or if you're going to have sex, don't become impaired to the point that
  you forget about such things as contreception and safer-sex practices.

      - David
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From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Bitter Taste  (was Re: Acid in Holland)
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:33:06 GMT

In article <1hoastINNrgn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:

>Bitter taste?  LSD has no taste.

You can't normally notice its taste due to the small dose and the other tastes
masking it, but LSD definitely has taste.  Sasha Shulgin describes an
incident where a co-worker mistakenly tastes some LSD crystals and, as I
recall, describes them as bitter (in _PIHKAL_).  I don't imagine that any
bitter taste on blotter paper would by due to the LSD though.

     --M@
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:58:51 -0500 
From: Jad Nehme <jn1a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: legalization in Britian

Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 28-Dec-92 legalization in Britian Homer
Smith@theory.TC.Co (5329)

>      So the moralists place all these oh so well meaning rules into
> play, no drugs, arrest and incarcerate anyone doing/selling drugs,
> or execute them as in Singapore, which then has absolutely no
> effect whatsoever on the number of addicts except to increase them,
> and in the same breath fosters and breeds the criminal drug trade
> to satisfy the needs of the addicts.


I was wondering about that.  In Singapore, Malaysia and all these
countries where the possession of drugs can lead to the death penalty,
what is the addict situation?  I mean if the law really is enforced you
would either end with a civil war, or a country with very little drugs. 
Anyone knows anything about that?

	-Jad

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