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From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:00:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug14.220046.14748
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <199208142135.AA07705@admin.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>From the keyboard of  ksoong@nyx.cs.du.edu, who writes:
>
>>I think you are suggesting a bottom-up solution, would it not be
>>better to follow a top down approach?
>
>  No, it would be best to deal with little entities we call objects,
>  and encapsulate the data with the procedures, such that debugging
>  errors can easily be isolated. Frequently, we should have objects 
>  that map to the problem domain directly, rather than retain the
>  old methods of solution.
>
>  But seriously.
>
>  It's difficult, if almost impossible, to eliminate bribery. You
>  can bride everyone from the Highest Judge to the lowst peon, and
>  yet everyone would still think that the problem doesn't exist. The
>  best solution would probably be genocide.
>
>--
>                                          --Syed Shibli
>                                            +1 918 631 3257
>                                            sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu
>
 

Since we may even able to bribe the highest judge, can we actually trust the
legal system in our country? What happen if someone is found guilty and has
his/her hand "potong" and later found that he/she is innocent? 	Does this law
also apply to 12 year old kids? How does this law work? Does this law punishes
people who is corrupt or people who discriminate against other human beings?
It will be nice if someone can clarify. Thanks.

T-P Loh


>
>
>
From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:26:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Subscribe Malaysia Newspaper !!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

I'm sure if you write to The New Straits Times they will tell you how.
From: ft0d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Feichin Tschang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:47:15 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.asean: 18-Aug-92 Re: Asian is not
Oriental -.. by ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk 
>I guess it has to do with the UK environment.  The terms Asians and Oriental
>are frequently used in the press to denote the Indian/Pakistani and Chinese
>communities respectively.

I'm not too up on history but I think 'Oriental' was in the past used by
the West to describe foreign cultures, Arabia being the one of greater
concern to Europe in the last century - hence the influx of expatriates,
including artists such as Turner who tried to capture the mystery of the
Orient, to the region.  And it may now be that in modern day Britain,
Orient is now used to describe a certain group of ethnicities.

So it appears that Orient and Oriental is an ethnocentric term used to
describe whatever appears to be different, its use depending on the
particular day and age.  In the U.S., departments of Oriental Studies
such as that of the Univ. of Pennsylvania that encompassed both the Near
(to Europe) and Far East, were not uncommon, but in this time of
multiculturalism, pressures exist to try to disaggregate them into their
constituent parts.
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From: ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong)
Subject: Re: Account in Singapore
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:42:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.054316.24790@nuscc.nus.sg> nuscc.nus.sg writes:
>Technet is a research network, not a public access network.  Companies
>involved in R&D will likely to have their application approved.
>Individual can try their luck.
>
>-Won Soon
>-- 
>VLSI DESIGN & CAD LABORATORY          \  Internet: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg
>Dept of Electrical Engineering         \  Bitnet:  ENGP2065@NUSVM.bitnet      
>National University of Singapore        \  Phone:  (+65) 772 6319       
>10, Kent Ridge Crescent. Singapore 0511. \______________________________


Individuals may have better luck if they form an R&D company first.


--jc
From: sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:40:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug20.064005.10611
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <6248@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@chekov.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>In article <Bt39J4.1MJ@cs.columbia.edu> ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong) writes:
>>Hi. I just read several AP and UPI and Reuters reports announcing reductions
>>on airfares to several Asian destinations on Northwest Airlines.
>>
>> [restrictions deleted]
>>
>>The reports gave some sample airfares:
>>    roundtrip Chicago-Seoul: US$798
>>    roundtrip New York-Bangkok: US$858
>>    roundtrip Los Angeles-Taipei: US$598
>
>I don't know about the prices for the first two, but the roundtrip
>ticket between LA-Taipei has been around $600 for years, except for
>over the summer months, where it's usually around the $800 range.
>I bought four round-trip tickets between LAX-TPE leaving mid-June
>and returning mid-July of this year, and it's only about $720 each
>on Malaysia Airlines.  I called a number of places, and Malaysia
>Airlines was the least expensive ticket I could find (China Airlines
>was the most expensive).  I was told that prices for non-summer
>months are usually about $200 less.
>
>			- David
>-- 
>---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
>David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
>"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
>					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's


The fares you are talking about are all consolidator prices.  This new
low fares to Asia thing is just another form of fare war.  In fact, The
$798 price tag for a roundtrip from an east coast city to Seoul is
cheapper than most consolidator tickets.  These new low fares cannot be
purchased by consolidators and so getting a further discount on these
fares from travel agencies is not possible.  Still, fares are great and
remember that since these are published airline fares, restrictions on
them are different from those on consolidator tickets.  I wasn't
planning to go home this coming winter but for this kinda fare, I am
seriously considering going home.

These fare wars may be good for consumers now but in the long-run, air
fares will go up.  You see, by doing something like this, few giants
drive small carriers out of various lucrative markets. WHen one or two
dominate a market, then the fares naturally will rise.  O well, hope
this doesn't happen too soon.

===========================================
Soonkyu (SK) Shin
Information Technologies Doctoral Program
MIT Sloan School of Management
Building E53, Room 416
Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139
Phone: (617) 253-7808
Email: sks@athena.mit.edu
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From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:26:40 GMT

>In article <1992Aug10.065811.15965@leela.cs.orst.edu> looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Can the Muslims *learn* how to live with other human beings
>>without having to impose their ill-judged Islamic Laws on others?
>>
>>-looi

I do wish people would actually learn about things before they make comments
like above. It's just dumb.

FYI, Islamic Laws are not applied on non-Muslims. It's only applied
to people who profess the Muslim faith. That's why it's called the
Islamic law.

waseem
 
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From: echoy@alfred.carleton.ca (Eugene Choy)
Subject: Re: Malaysians/Singaporeans in Montreal ...CallMe!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:21:13 GMT

In <echoy.713768546@cunews> echoy@alfred.carleton.ca (Eugene Choy) writes:

>yeah!
>can all you Malaysians/Singaporeans who are residing or studying in Montreal
>CANADA, please 
>contact me...


>I would like to know more people from that area!

>thanks
>BTW smile :-) and don't be sad :-(

>echoy@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca

> 

yoyo!
this is a test only LAH!
From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:15:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Double Degree/ Honours Degree
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

The job market is wide open in Penang, so come back and try your luck. As for 
the double degree versus honour degree we do not care too much. As mentioned
earlier a higher degree is better. Sorry about that.
From: c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (not any more)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Lyrics for Amigos Para Siempre
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:21:49 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

In article <charles.119@csar.uucp>, charles@csar.uucp (Charles Leong K. C.) writes:
> Does anyone has the lyrics for the Olympic theme song "Amigos Para Siempre",
> (Friends for life)?  I am desperately looking for it.  Could you e-mail me a 
> copy if you have one.
> 
> Thanks.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Leong K. C.
> Software Engineer, CSA Research, Singapore.
> charles%csar@uunet.uu.net

Yes, I would like them as well, if anyone has them, could you please
send me a copy.   Preferably in English...  ;)

Fal   c9110440@wombat.newcasttle.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Of Irony and Sarcasm
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:18:45 GMT


From the keyboard of Leong Weng Ng, who writes about irony:

>Irony, according my dict, is
>the expression of one's meaning by saying something which is
>the direct opposite of one's thoughts, in order to make one's
>remarks forceful. Sarcasm employs liberal use of irony. I have
>noticed a few instances of people missing the irony of certain
>postings on this net, and as a result inadvertently flaming
>a person who basically holds the same view. So if a posting looks
>absurd to you, look for the irony before flaming. By the way,
>though smiley's are a net convention it is by no means something
>which a humorous posting MUST include. In obviously humorous
>postings it is not really necessary, IMO. 

  It's basically a no-win situation, no matter how one looks at
  it. I can put a smiley in my "humorous" posting, but some might
  construe this as my underestimation of their level of 
  sophistication. I can refrain from appending a smiley, and some
  others might take me too seriously. The best anyone can do is
  to be obviously humorous, but there will always be those who
  are always ready to condemn such frivolity. Perhaps the best
  compromise would be to append a GIF of the writer at the end
  of their postings to suit the situation: there should be a smiling
  GIF, a frowning GIF, a nonchalant GIF, a laughing GIF, et cetera.
  
--
                                  --Syed Shibli
                                    +1 918 631 3257
                                    sya%admin@tusun.mcs.utulsa.edu




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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:58:56 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>	Stay away from Northwest or "Northworst" as I have learned from my 
>	horrid experience I had a year ago in going to Seoul.  The flight 
>	was actually quite pleasant.  However, everything that was not 
>
>	The moral of this post is STAY AWAY FROM NORTHWORST!

Can you be more specific?

I traveled a few times on NW between the US and Hong Kong a few years ago
and only had some minor problems.
Their routing was bad (always more stops than the other airlines) and they
were totally disorganized about giving you FF mileage credit.
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From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:35:23 GMT


From the keyboard of  ksoong@nyx.cs.du.edu, who writes:

>I think you are suggesting a bottom-up solution, would it not be
>better to follow a top down approach?

  No, it would be best to deal with little entities we call objects,
  and encapsulate the data with the procedures, such that debugging
  errors can easily be isolated. Frequently, we should have objects 
  that map to the problem domain directly, rather than retain the
  old methods of solution.

  But seriously.

  It's difficult, if almost impossible, to eliminate bribery. You
  can bride everyone from the Highest Judge to the lowst peon, and
  yet everyone would still think that the problem doesn't exist. The
  best solution would probably be genocide.

--
                                          --Syed Shibli
                                            +1 918 631 3257
                                            sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Give credits to Othman Ahmad
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<KYTAN.92Aug10105449@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> <ygoh.713567841@sfu.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:50:56 GMT

In article <ygoh.713567841@sfu.ca> ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh) writes:

   Since I don't know the basic elements of sarcasm, could you please 
   enlighten me ?

Have you tried a dictionary?  Sigh.  Basically, sarcasm in its most
straightforward incarnation is when someone writes/says something totally
opposite to what he/she really or normally thinks.  If you know that person, it
helps.  If not, this can be seen when what he/she writes/says is so ludicrous
as to verge on the nonsensical.  Such as:

	"There is no such thing as war: it is really just a huge party."

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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:38:05 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug17.231346.474@natinst.com>, fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:

> What about Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Laoist ..., what you do
> refer them as ? Earthlings ?

These people are usually referred to by their respective nationalities.
Don't ask me why.  In news reports here, any mention of Asians always refer
to the Indian/Pakistani communities, but never to the Chinese.

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From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:04:16 GMT


" Can Muslims learn how to live with others without
imposing their laws on them ? "

The answer is YES.

Non-muslims are a well protected group in an Islamic
state. There should be separate laws pertaining and
governing their actions. It would be rather ridiculous
that a non-muslim would have to abide by laws which
tsem from certain principles and philosophies that they
do not believe nor ascribe to. Islamic law does not
do that to the Dzimmis, which are the non-muslims.

- Suzaina


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (not any more)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:40:38 GMT

In article <920811183404.21415c40@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
> 
> 
>   I found this statement ironic. Give me an example where Moslems
>   have imposed their laws on non-Moslems. Your statement assumes
>   that somewhere along the line of World History, Moslems have, at 
>   one time or another, not learned the benefits of mutual support.
>   While you're musing over this post, you might as well define 
>   "ill-judged" for me. 
> 
> -- 
> Syed Shibli                          | +1 918 631 3257 (work)
> 505 South Gary, #14, Tulsa, OK 74104 | sya%admin@tusun2.mcs.utulsa.edu


Several years ago, Jana Wendt of Sixty Minutes Australia, went to, Iran (I
think, but it was a Muslim country) and tried to leave the hotel dressed as she
would be in Australia, but was stopped in the foyer and told to 'go back and
dress properly', and had to wear the black robes that women over there wear.

Just an example.  

Fal.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: estaebh@warwick.ac.uk (Ultra-Man )
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:06:47 GMT

In article <199208142135.AA07705@admin.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>From the keyboard of  ksoong@nyx.cs.du.edu, who writes:
>
>>I think you are suggesting a bottom-up solution, would it not be
>>better to follow a top down approach?
>
>  No, it would be best to deal with little entities we call objects,
>  and encapsulate the data with the procedures, such that debugging
>  errors can easily be isolated. Frequently, we should have objects 
>  that map to the problem domain directly, rather than retain the
>  old methods of solution.

Are you managing the program or human ?  :)

>  But seriously.
>
>  It's difficult, if almost impossible, to eliminate bribery. You
>  can bride everyone from the Highest Judge to the lowst peon, and
>  yet everyone would still think that the problem doesn't exist. The
>  best solution would probably be genocide.
>
>                                          --Syed Shibli


 Yes. We can't eliminate bribery, but we should succumb those treachery,
 unreliable and faking authoriser before the law be imposed on those poor
 folks.  

 Genocide ? Do you mean that the Highest Judges should also be slaughtered ??

**** Ultra-Man ****

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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund)
Subject: Re: Long Hair?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.220801.9264@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, Jerome Chan <yjc@po.cwru.edu> writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug19.084313.3289@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Numero Uno,
> u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:
> >"In Singapore they cut your hair, they cut your hair in Singapore."
> >	- Little River Band
> 
>   That's kind of strange though, I walked right through Singapore customs
> & Immigrations with shoulder length hair on my return last year. Yes, I'm
> a Singaporean and no I'm not female.
> 
> ---
>  The Evil Tofu ("I thought I knew the Mac ...")
> 
> "Sure or Not? Got or Not one? Aiyah! Why like that one! Terriblur lah!
> Horrijible lah! Kisau one! Alamak! Gone Case Aleady!"

So did I. The fellow at the check-point did not even blink an eye-lid at my
shoulder-length hair. However, speaking to friends from Australia and 
Germany who did some back-packing to Singapore in an earlier decade(70s-80s)
it appears that Singapore did have some pretty strict policies with regards 
to hair. One big 'joke' was that there was apparently a big sign depicting
what a tourist should look like.

Edmund.
From: gbp1@cec2.wustl.edu (Genevieve B. Peter Jaua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Badminton: Ops..gold!
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:39:46 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.

Congrats, Indonesians, for securing gold in the recent Olympics!!
However, I'm a bit dismayed with some Malaysians who can't seem
to accept Malaysia's not being able to maintain its top position
in the badminton arena.  C'mon guys, be a good sport!  You win
some, you lose some :))  We did a great job, but it was destined
that the gold wasn't meant for us Malaysians (for now, at least).
Oh well ... there's always a next time :-)   Once again, good job,
Indonesians! :)

-Jayne
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From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:57:39 GMT

u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
: TAN GIM WEE "He wanted it, he dreamed of it, he hankered after it,
: as an addict after his opiate" writes:
: 
: > Don't remember the guy mentioning anything about a time-machine.
: > this 'Numero Uno' guy is a Rip Van Winkle type...
: 
: Them were the good old days, but things do change.  The only question
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: is that since things in Singapore are deteriorating so quickly, will
: the Singaporeans adapt quickly enough?
: 
: 	I used to see many of them - now there do not appear to
	  ^^^^^^		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	be many anymore - old women in their faded black long-
 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	sleeved cotton blouses and loose pants, sitting patiently
: 	behind little wooden trestles on which they had set up
: 	their wares - small bottles of sweets, packets of dried
: 	ginger and plums, cigarettes in loose sticks of five and
: 	six stuck in a little tin.  And there was the inevitable
: 	lit joss-stick standing in a tin in front of the meagre
: 	wares, a reminder to the gods that they were to be kind
: 	to these old women and give them good business...
: 
: 				"The Chosen One", Catherine Lim
: 
: 
: > this is just another one of those dumb attempts ... to deride
: > Southeast Asians.                   
: 
: Nyah, only them Singaporeans.
: 
: 
: -Num, "Smileys not included."

Like I have said in the previous response, this guy obviously still has
that colonial mind-set, and the above phrase 'good old days' proves my
point. 
Pls note: Catherine mentioned that she USED TO see the scene described
above.
Question: Based on what fact do you conclude that things in Singapore is
deteriorating rapidly? How can a place where there are more jobs than
workers be worse off than a place where there is widespread
unemployment, like in Australia. How can a place where there is racial
harmony be bad compared to a place where there is entrenched bigotry
against Asians?

Botton-line: Internet access does not seem to make a person less
	     parochial.

Smilie: :-)
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