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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:17:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 5630@tcsi.com, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>
>"Say on a per mile basis someone is five times (I don't know the actual
>figure and would appreciate it if anyone knows) as likely to be killed
>on a motorcycle than in a car.  That means that every 5 miles you
>travel in your car is as risky as one mile on a motorcycle.  Now, do
>you even give a second thought to loading your children into a car and
>driving off somewhere?  Do you weigh the importance of the trip
>against the threat to your life and the lives of your children?"
>
>"I thought not."  (end of argument)

Boloney.  That never ended any argument *I* ever had.

"But if you get in an accident in a car, you're more protected."

"But a car can't fall over."

"But a car has windshield wipers (really!  somebody said that!)"

"But my brother's friend's girlfriend's aunt knows somebody who *died*
on a motorcycle!"

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:02:30 GMT

In article <1ee94mINN456@fido.asd.sgi.com>, spencer@hailwood (Paul Spencer) writes:
>egreen@east.sun.com says:
>> Throttle steering?
>> Sure, on a bike with a sidecar, but on a motorcycle?

>Ever seen a flat tracker, or a speedway bike, go around a corner?
>Both are great fun for the beginner; if you back off the throttle,
>you head straight for the outside wall. If you get on the gas, you
>head down towards the rail.
>
>You can also try this on dry pavement with a V-Max. GREAT fun.

Don't even need a V-Max.  Anything will slide the rear if you're
leaned over far enough when you ease into the throttle.  I can easily
slide the rear of my 55 hp, race compound shod FZR400 though I
wouldn't recommend this be done regularly in the street.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400           1985 ZX900 Ninja              1977 RD400D
                  "I'd rather shoot back."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: thoughts on cruisers....
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:37:17 GMT



KYLE:     Wow Ken. Dig these way forward footpegs, this
          enormous wheelbase, these awesome pullback
          handlebars. Chrome _pipes_. This is a BIKE.
          Yeah. Dig this reclining seat....

KEN:      Yeah, my back is hurting already.

KYLE:     What? You don't like cruisers?

KEN:      I think we have really different taste in
          bikes.

KYLE:     Oh. Do you think I could join the hells
          angels on this Kawasaki?

KEN:      No. But you might be able to out-run them.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:06:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.162634.7524@vpbuild.vp.com> jessea@vpmeu015.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:
>I've just starting riding and I'm curious as to what people recommend
>for keeping your legs from freezing during the winter.  Living in the
>south, the weather isn't terrible (it sometimes doesn't snow at all
>here), but it can still get cold.  Besides, even if the temp is just
>chilly, riding 60MPH can freeze your buns.  So, what to you, the
>experienced rider, recommend for leg protection?  What about leggings?
>

I've been wearing leather chaps for about 8 years. They work pretty well
and are convenient for short trips such as commuting. Pants would be warmer,
though I expect not as convenient.  Hope to have some by next winter.

Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Another fine product from the DoD
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:04:11 GMT

In article <1e9b78INN7sq@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>Jody Levine on a
>bikini-clad pin-up calendar?
>
>I think not!

And why not? Although it would look pretty weird (in keeping, no doubt, with
the spirit of this group), I don't think that it would be indecent for me to
sit on a calendar that is clad in a bikini.

But what do I know.

>PS - Jonathan, if this thing flies, I'll take a couple dozen for the
>next beer bust...

I'll just steal some from Ed at his next beer bash.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:20:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.045252.3636@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.020854.18236@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>|
>|Helmets are a trade-off.  If you understand their drawbacks and
>|keep them in mind, you can can enjoy the safety and comfort from
>|their advantages.
>
>Now Eric, you must remember that this is rec.motorcycles, and there is no
>place here for simple, intelligent statements like that.  :-)

Sorry.  Here:

David, you ignorant scumbag, you've been sniffing too much Yamalube.
How dare you have the temerity to disagree with me!  If you wern't
too busy in the garage performing unnatural acts with expansion
chambers you'd instantly realize the superiority of my reasoning
and crawl under a rock like a wounded beast with nothing but an
MT50 to keep you company.  But since you're still here, I'll give
you the rec.moto argument to end all arguments:  My ZX-17 is faster
than ALL of your bikes put together!  So I'm right! Phhhbbbbt!!


>|Advantages:
>|hear more at high speed, less hearing damage too
>
>I actually disagree with this.  Now, of course, I have a pretty hefty
>fairing, but still, I think wind noise is pretty darn significant with
>a helmet on (and I have an RF200, judged my Squid Monthly to be the
>quitest helmet on the market).

I didn't say that there wasn't much wind noise, just that I can
hear a bit better at speed with a helmet on than without it.
It's still pretty damn loud.  It's even worse bareheadded, IMHO.

>  After some touring, and noticing my
>ears ringing when trying to go to sleep in the silence of a campsite,
>I *always* use ear plugs at speed.  In that case I'm pretty much
>deaf as a post anyway, so helmet vs. bareheaded really is a wash, as 
>far as hearing is concerned.

I didn't realize how much of the traffic I did hear until I rode
with earplugs.  The silence is eerie, and I had a couple cars
sneak up on me before I realized that I wasn't hearing them
as well as usual and that I'd been using my hearing to keep track
of other traffic.  Once I figured that out I've been remembering to
pay more visual attention to the traffic around me.


>|face & eyes protected from flying insects/rocks/etc.
>|warmer in cold weather
>|and finally, can save your head and your life if you fall.
>
>Can.  Might.  Don't count on it.  Don't fall.

I don't expect it every ride, but I plan for it anyhow.
Just In Case.



--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
    This package contains one (1) Usenet news posting.  Do not eat.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.033924.25567@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>laws and go splatter your brains on some highway, I won't stop you. But quit
>trying to justify the fact that you are not being the most intelligent person
>in the world.  I really don't know why the government insists on protecting 
>the less intelligent from themselves any.  I say leave it up to natural
>selection, Darwin WAS right, you know.
>
Hey, hey, hey!!!! Apply your own logic here!

Darwin has never been proven to be right in his most important theory -
that human beings are animals at the end of the natural selection process
rather than an independent evolutionary chain. He never found the "missing 
link". And no less than a dozen "scientists" have claimed to have found the
link - all which have been debunked.

In case you haven't read his biography, Darwin's inability to prove this theory
drove him insane. He couldn't converse with people, he could no longer listen
to music or read poetry (long favorite pastimes of his). He died in miserable
solitude.

Yet another example how our educational system only tells you part of the
story when it blesses "scientific" facts. Watch out - the same system might
start stating "scientifically" that motorcycles are dangerous.

Question Authority

-John
============================================================================
            John S. Morris  #0316      Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
 "Have nothing that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful."
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:53:48 GMT

|> In <By3M8B.600@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1ej5k0INN1ka@cardamom.compnews.co.uk> michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton) writes:
|> >>All I can say is that you can never have too much power.
|> >>My last bike was an RGV 250L and it did 0-60 in 4 and 128 flat out.
|> >>Fair enough it was fast when I first got it, but after a month or two
|> >>It starts to get boring, and guess what, YOU WANT MORE POWER.
|> >>I had a go on a GSXR750 and I though......faster...but not fast enough.
|> >>So as you say; what is too much power.
|> >>
|> >>I would love to know the answer!
|> >>
|> 
|> >I went from a GSRX750 to an RGV250. I want better handling, lighter
|> >bikes. Blasting down a straight line (the only thing big bore, big hp
|> >bikes are good for) isn't my idea of fun on a bike. Give me twisty,
|> >windy road ....
|> >-- 
|> 

  Hmmm...I guess you've never been on a 160 mph sweeper, or had
to brake for an 80 mph turn while going 175mph...talk about heart
in your throat !!!  Or how about the G's when you roll it on 
coming out onto the straight !!

  Not everyone likes to play on the street :->


-- 
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|									     |
|   Matt Fisch								     |
|   mfisch@ichips.intel.com						     |
|									     |
|                          #75 - Team Banana Racing 			     |
|				SUZ GSXR-1186				     |
|									     |
|  "Just a little too much right hand and the Australian Grand Prix is over  |
|   for Kevin Schwantz..."						     |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Isle Of Man on TV
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:46:48 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

Mark S. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com> writes:

> In article <1992Nov17.181224.15585@bnr.uk> Datasbuild, datasbld@bnr.ca
> writes:
> >Did anybody see the Isle Of Man report on Top gear? (BBC2)  I have it on
> >video.  Some of the footage was incredible, bikes going through villages
> at
> >DoD++++++++!  
> 
> I've never seen any IoM stuff here in the States on TV. :(  You Brits also
> have that cool satellite service for all the GPs too, don't you?!  It's
> just
> not fair!!
> 
> >I liked the way they turned the roads into a big one-way system
> >and let the bikers go ape-shit.  I am definitely going there next year. 
> I
> >hope to bump into a few DoDers there too.  I liked it when one of the
> veterans
> >talked about lining the bike up at a post-box, going WFO and having to
> move 
> >his head aside for a moment to dodge the telegraph pole!  Wowee!
> 
> I've heard about this pole!  Unbeleivable!!  Evidently several people
> have been 
> killed there over the years.
> 
> I'd love to go to the Isle of Man one of these years....
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> - Mark
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 '90 Ninja 750
> Novell Inc.			                
> 1340 Treat Blvd. #300             "I'd rather live than just imagine..." 
>                      
> Walnut Creek, CA 94596 	                                 - Y. Malmsteen
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------


You too can watch most of this stuff on TV. Get your own satellite dish. 
There's lots of bike racing.


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:31:47 GMT

Christopher Bradley Devlin (cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: "If you take a walk hell tax your feet..."

"If you take a walk he'll tax your feet..."
"'Cos he's the taxman"!

This makes slightly better sense.

: Chris

Nick

M'Lud
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CFV: rec.crafts.metalworking
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:20:32 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

This is a Call For Votes (CFV) on creation of the unmoderated newsgroup
rec.crafts.metalworking.  The charter is reproduced below.

To vote FOR the creation of this new newsgroup, send mail to
metalyes@corral.uwyo.edu.  To vote AGAINST the creation of this group,
send mail to metalno@corral.uwyo.edu.  Please send votes *only* to one
of these two addresses, otherwise it will not count.  Do not post your
vote, or send it to my personal mailbox.  The content of the e-mail
ballot is not important, just the address it is sent to.

The voting period will last until 23:59:59 MST, 14-DEC-1992.  Votes
*received* after that date cannot be counted.

Charter
-------

Proposed Charter -- REC.CRAFTS.METALWORKING

The USENET newsgroup, rec.crafts.metalworking, is a newsgroup which discusses
various aspects of working with metal, such as (but not limited to):

  machining, as on a lathe, milling machine, grinder, etc.;
  numerical control of such machines;
  welding, whether by gas, arc, mig, tig, thermite, or other methods;
  Metal joining, whether welding, brazing, soldering, riveting,
    screwing, folding, etc.  (this section was added during the discussion)
  casting various metals by various methods;
  hardening/tempering various metals;
  blacksmithing/forging;
  spinning and hammer work;
  sheet metal work;
  jewelry-making;
  purchasing and/or reconditioning metalworking tools and machinery;
  interesting projects;
  books on metal technologies and history;

Example areas of interest:

  knife/sword making;
  automotive repair;
  steam engine (model/scale, though full-sized discussions are welcome!);
  art work, such as bronze castings and sculptures;
  gunsmithing;
  toolmaking, such as for woodworking, further metalworking, etc.;

While the bulk of the discussion will probably be directed towards
small-scale "home" shops, industrial/production discussions are also
quite welcome.
-- 
Jim Kirkpatrick
jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:40:59 GMT

In article <1ej5k0INN1ka@cardamom.compnews.co.uk> michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton) writes:
>All I can say is that you can never have too much power.
>My last bike was an RGV 250L and it did 0-60 in 4 and 128 flat out.
>Fair enough it was fast when I first got it, but after a month or two
>It starts to get boring, and guess what, YOU WANT MORE POWER.
>I had a go on a GSXR750 and I though......faster...but not fast enough.
>So as you say; what is too much power.
>
>I would love to know the answer!
>

I went from a GSRX750 to an RGV250. I want better handling, lighter
bikes. Blasting down a straight line (the only thing big bore, big hp
bikes are good for) isn't my idea of fun on a bike. Give me twisty,
windy road ....
-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:46:18 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

I wrote in my original article something like "land of the free, home of the
brave (or something similar crappy)" and have received mail like

>don't ridicule other countries' national anthems on a public forum
 unless you want to start a flame war between nationalities.

I'm really sorry if I have offended anyone in any way by quoting from the
US national anthem. That was actually beside the point I tried to make and 
I appologise.

Geir


| Geir Solvang
| Email: geirs@cee.hw.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Subject: Re: Fastest Bike Known
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:43:38 GMT

In article <1eqtiaINN68@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>exploit the larger engine.  In fact, there are a few nice 400-500 cc
>bikes.  The Kawasaki EX-500 is a nice sporting machine, and there are a
>couple of good 400's, although at 6-1 W/legs, you will probably find
>your physical fit to be the limiting factor on most smaller
>displacement models.

I've seen a rider on an EX500 that was 6'2", he seemed to like it just
fine... Though I've also let someone that's 6'2" ride my EX500, and he hated
it. Your mileage may vary.

>Here's the way I break them down, I'm sure there are other opinions  :^)
>
>Ninja, CBR (Goof2), Katana:  Sports bikes.  Relatively netural riding
>position, good response throughout the powerband, overall design is
>"balanced."
>
>FZR, GSXR, ZX-6:  Race replicas.  Severe riding positon (more prone,
>lower handlebars), peakey torque curve (?), overall design tradeoffs
>tend toward performance over comfort.

Here's where I'd have to differ.  The CBR is far more "race replica" class
than the ZX-6.  The ZX-6 is NOT targetted at the hardcore sport riders like
the GSX-R or FZR.  The ZX-6 looks and feels like a downsized ZX-11.  It's
a pretty big 600, just in terms of how it feels.  It's more than adequate for
sport-touring, unless your definition of sport-touring MUST include "1000cc".

And the ZX-6 has a less peaky engine than the Katana OR the CBR... so there.


-- 
 .--------------------------------------------------------------------------.
/ Lyle J \ lestat@wixer.cactus.org /  Team Doofus  \ DoD / Nobody else WANTS \
\ Mackey /     Social Engineer     \ '89 Kaw EX500 / 587 \  my  opinions...  /
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ZX-11 front brake.
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:48:36 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

marrevola@iris-dcp.es wrote:
: Any advice to improve the front brake performance of a ZX-11?
: 
: manolo@taf.fundesco.es
: ZX-11
: DR-600-S
: DoD #1033

Put it on a decent bike, that will improve it's performance.


Nick (the Braker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Rivett Catalogue


M'Brake.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:25:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.162634.7524@vpbuild.vp.com> jessea@vpmeu015.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:
>I've just starting riding and I'm curious as to what people recommend
>for keeping your legs from freezing during the winter.  Living in the
>south, the weather isn't terrible (it sometimes doesn't snow at all
>here), but it can still get cold.  Besides, even if the temp is just
>chilly, riding 60MPH can freeze your buns.  So, what to you, the
>experienced rider, recommend for leg protection?  What about leggings?

  The most important thing is to cut the wind.  If you're on a budget,
wear your rain suit ( or at least the lowers if you have a 2-piece). 
Leather pants also work well, but they're kinda pricey.  After that,
just adjust insulation to suit.  Some folks will tell you that if you
just keep your chest, torso, and head warm your extremities will be ok.
That *is* important, but the parts of you hangin' out in the breeze are 
gonna freeze if you don't cut the wind.  If this doesn't help, you could
always learn to walk without bending your knees.
  Then again, you could be a *real* wimp and buy a bike with fairing 
lowers and built in foot warmers.

Mark Crowder  "I'm sorry my karma ran over your dogma"  crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
"Some degree of honesty must be present in conversation, or it lapses into
a lower form of art such as literature" 
                         -- P.J. O'Rourke "Republican Party Reptile"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:15:34 GMT

ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>Cripes, Jeff, if you can catch striped bass as well as you fish in Speckled
>Throated Gull Abulls, you deserve a tropy.

Hmm, I can't seem to find that one in my dictionary.

Is it a bird or a fish?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Funny Newspaper Correction Notice
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:57:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.191756.17677@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> thaddeus@hpcvusd.cv.hp.com (Thaddeus Konar) writes:
>The following notice in Corvallis Gazette-Times, Nov.19, 1992 
>caught my eye:
...
>          Peacock Tavern, owns a Harley-
>          Davidson "Pan Head," a motor-
...
>            A Monday story incorrectly re-
>          ferred to the motorcycle as a
>          "Pie Head."

No doubt the paper got hundreds of angry letters...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles