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From: maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:08:03 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

In article <J6YSrAmKBh107h@mala.proteus.qc.ca> ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:
>In <C0CrEJ.Kzx@mach1.wlu.ca> maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna) writes:
>>No mom?  No dad?  What about friends?  I don't like the idea of someone
>>taking their own life.  I've been through a lot in my life, but never was
>>upset enuf to try to take my own life.  Life is worth living, no matter what
>>anyone thinks.  It may have its downs, but there are ups, you just have to
>>try for those.  It helps to talk to people when something is bothering you -
>>it helps take pressure off you,and get your thoughts, fears, and feelings
>>out instead of bottling them up.  
>
>
>What about someone who is terminaly ill and in great pain despite all 
>that modern medicine can do?  What about the 90 year old who has outlived
>friends and family and is tired of life?  Life is NOT always worth living.
>

Then I can agree with not wanting to suffer then.  But by the sounds of the
original article (and forgive me if I'm wrong) it seemed to me that the
person saw life as too much trouble, that there was nothing good left in
life at all.  You have a good point - I know if it was suffering like that,
I wouldn't want to suffer any more.  That kind of pain can't be made better.
But there are ways to help emotional pain, but the person has to want to
try, instead of giving up.  I am optimistic, but I am realistic.

Dawna
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From: rfowler@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Need roommate for SRCD in New Orleans
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:23:50 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


Need roommate for SRCD in New Orleans

I am attending the biennial meeting of the Society for Research in
Child Development (SRCD) held in New Orleans from 3/25 through 3/28
and would like to share a hotel room with another male graduate 
student or students.  There are some, but not many, low-cost rooms available
for graduate student use.  I am planning on staying in New Orleans on
Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights (i.e., 3/24-3/26). 

If you are  
interested in sharing expenses for a room, please send me an e-mail message
as soon as possible.  These low-cost rooms go quickly.  Please send any replies
to the Internet address listed below.

Thanks.

Clarke Fowler
Eliot-Pearson Department of Child Study
Tufts University
Medford, Mass.
Internet: RFOWLER@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Suicide, part II
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:54:50 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan6.224448.14091@fuug.fi> an2990@anon.penet.fi writes:

[ a lot of stuff that looks very like what one sees on alt.suicide.holiday 
and/or alt.angst ]

Try the groups I mention above.  A lot of it is self-indulgent or silly, but 
there's some good stuff there, including some really usefully supportive 
people.

  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:25:27 GMT



| I don't like the idea of someone taking their own life... 
| Life is worth living, no matter what anyone thinks.

				-Macivor Dawna

Why should anyone make such an incredibly important decision
based on what you like? I'm glad that you think life is worth
living, but are you saying that anyone who feels differently
is wrong? Only God is wise enough to make such a judgment,
and from what I can see, he seldom interferes.

				-Alan
From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Studies on Gesturing during Teaching
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:24:16 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <103653@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.144817.24102@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
>>I have searched far and wide, and although I've found many papers on
>>the use of screen gestures for control, I have not found any
>>psychological research that studies the types of gestures used during
>>specific types of communication.
>
>This isn't what you asked for, but I recall a Columbia study of uh-rates
>by fellow Columbia professors.  (As in "uh"s or other dead words spoken
>per minute).  They found that low uh-rates tended to correlate with the
>hard sciences, medium uh-rates with the soft sciences, and high uh-rates
[stuff on uh-rates deleted]
>Does this help?
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

Nope. That isn't what I asked for at all. - Chuck

-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup info wanted
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:11:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.114939.5357@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak) writes:
>Does anyone out there know of a newsgroup or mailing list
>dedicated for people in relationships with someone who's
>been abused, raped or just plain comes from a dysfunctional
>family?  Thanks.
>Mark Nowak                          | By means of the easy and the simple we


Check out "soc.singles" ;^)



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From: koeneman@yoko.rutgers.edu (Jurgen Koenemann-Belliveau)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: APA style file for TeX/LateX/BibTeX needed.
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:18:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Locally available is an "apalike.sty" that's just that "apalike" but
not quite right. Rather than to engage in hacking the style I would
like to know whether their is an "apa.sty" out there to be used with
the TeX/LaTeX/BibTeX packages. Please email the responses (or files)
to koeneman@RuCCS.Rutgers.Edu    Thanks!
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From: tdlynch@unix1.tcd.ie (The Dunster)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Do people have sex after 50?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:44:47 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


I'm writing an essay on sexual activity after fifty, and am looking for some
suggested readings-- could anyone oblige? I'll post the essay when completed.

		Thanks in advance,
		Donagh.
+----                                                                      ----+
		 Donagh Lynch               tdlynch@unix1.tcd.ie  
             Economics Department,          tdlynch@vax1.tcd.ie
            Trinity College, Dublin.        keynes@maths.tcd.ie 

     "A woman will flirt with anyone, as long as there's somebody watching"
				Oscar Wilde
+----                                                                      ----+
--
+----                                                                      ----+
		 Donagh Lynch               tdlynch@unix1.tcd.ie  
             Economics Department,          tdlynch@vax1.tcd.ie
            Trinity College, Dublin.        keynes@maths.tcd.ie 
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: fedrick@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Kelvin W. Fedrick)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:59:22 GMT

In article <J6YSrAmKBh107h@mala.proteus.qc.ca> ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:
>
>What about someone who is terminaly ill and in great pain despite all 
>that modern medicine can do?  What about the 90 year old who has outlived
>friends and family and is tired of life?  Life is NOT always worth living.
>
These are also my thoughts on the matter. I'll just add this; who has more
of a right to decide when life is or is not worth living that the person
currently living it. Unless there are some extenuating circumstances which
render that person incapable of making a rational decision, (e.g. they are
under the influence of some drugs, having an acute crisis, depression mental
problem etc.) or which cause the person to make a decision which they would
probably not normally make, I'm not sure anyone else has a moral right to
make that decision of whether their life is worth living for them.

-kelvin
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: elliott@ils.nwu.edu (Clark Elliott)
Subject: Face Icons -- what is the source?
Keywords: faces icons emotions
Reply-To: elliott@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:27:52 GMT


I have in my possession a photo-copied sheet of 70 emotion face icons bearing
the legend, "Sad Mad Glad Hurt Ashamed Afraid." Each face is more or less
a stick figure, based on a 3/4 inch circle, and has a label underneath
in all capital letters. The labels, and hence the associated face icons, are
in alphabetical order. I traced my copy back six generations, and about
five thousand miles, but then the trail grew cold. The concensus seems to be
that they might have something to do with helping traumatized children
to express their emotions, but I have no more to go on than this.

	I would like to use these icons in my computer-based emotion/ai
research, but want to identify the source before I do so. Optionally I
would like to know of other similar sets of face icons which I am free
to use. Any leads will be appreciated.

-- 
Clark Elliott / The Institute for the Learning Sciences / Northwestern
University. Telephone: (708) 491-7059.
Clark Elliott / The Institute for the Learning Sciences / Northwestern
University. Telephone: (708) 491-7059.
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:35:05 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <C0CrEJ.Kzx@mach1.wlu.ca> maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.195652.17487@fuug.fi> an2990@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>If a person has no debt to anyone, is responsible for
>>no one, (no SO or kids or what-have-you) etc, etc. And
>>that person sees no reason to keep 'surviving', what
>>is wrong with one terminating his own life ?

>No mom?  No dad?  What about friends?  I don't like the idea of someone
>taking their own life.  I've been through a lot in my life, but never was
>upset enuf to try to take my own life.  Life is worth living, no matter what
>anyone thinks.  It may have its downs, but there are ups, you just have to
>try for those.  It helps to talk to people when something is bothering you -
>it helps take pressure off you,and get your thoughts, fears, and feelings
>out instead of bottling them up.  

>I hope that helps.  It still hurts to hear about someone doing that..


What about someone who is terminaly ill and in great pain despite all 
that modern medicine can do?  What about the 90 year old who has outlived
friends and family and is tired of life?  Life is NOT always worth living.


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From: maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:58:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.232527.25070@adobe.com> asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders) writes:
>
>
>| I don't like the idea of someone taking their own life... 
>| Life is worth living, no matter what anyone thinks.
>
>				-Macivor Dawna
>
>Why should anyone make such an incredibly important decision
>based on what you like? I'm glad that you think life is worth
>living, but are you saying that anyone who feels differently
>is wrong? Only God is wise enough to make such a judgment,
>and from what I can see, he seldom interferes.
>
>				-Alan
>
>
I'm not saying that.  I was just saying that I don't like the idea.  No one
has to ask permission if they want to kill themselves, if that's what you're
implying.  No, I'm not saying they're wrong.  That's how they see life.  I
see life in a good light, and wish those who don't were able to see their
own life in the same way.  I don't think I'm making a judgement, just
expressing my opinion.  And I don't think God has anyting to do with it.
(Don't flame me, I'm just not a fan of religion.  Personal choice, so NO
FLAMES PLEASE)  It's the person's decision.           

I hate it when people take what I say wrong.  You can't get all the points
and feelings across this way.....

Dawna MacIvor (NOT the reverse order)
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:44:46 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <C0EzHG.7FM@mach1.wlu.ca> maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna) writes:


>Then I can agree with not wanting to suffer then.  But by the sounds of the
>original article (and forgive me if I'm wrong) it seemed to me that the
>person saw life as too much trouble, that there was nothing good left in
>life at all.  You have a good point - I know if it was suffering like that,
>I wouldn't want to suffer any more.  That kind of pain can't be made better.
>But there are ways to help emotional pain, but the person has to want to
>try, instead of giving up.  I am optimistic, but I am realistic.

I agree with you, as a failed suicided I have come to see that in general 
life is worth living.  I just wanted to point out that it is NOT always 
worth living.  Emotional, financial reasons are NOT valid reasons for ending
one's life, things can change.  Three years ago I had no friends, no love 
and no money.  Now after three years of getting help, I have friends, lots
of them.  I have love, though I am still single.  Money, well I am not 
starving, even if I am not too comfortable.  Yes, in general, life is worth
living.


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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:18:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.195652.17487@fuug.fi> an2990@anon.penet.fi writes:
>If a person has no debt to anyone, is responsible for
>no one, (no SO or kids or what-have-you) etc, etc. And
>that person sees no reason to keep 'surviving', what
>is wrong with one terminating his own life ?

No mom?  No dad?  What about friends?  I don't like the idea of someone
taking their own life.  I've been through a lot in my life, but never was
upset enuf to try to take my own life.  Life is worth living, no matter what
anyone thinks.  It may have its downs, but there are ups, you just have to
try for those.  It helps to talk to people when something is bothering you -
it helps take pressure off you,and get your thoughts, fears, and feelings
out instead of bottling them up.  

I hope that helps.  It still hurts to hear about someone doing that..


Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: Dreams-Interpret???
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:24:14 GMT

pmuniyap@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pravin K Muniyappa) writes:

>Hi,
>     I'm writing this for a friend about her dreams.  Lately she's been having 
>dreams about being raped and killled.  She usually doesn't have dreams like 
>this and she is wodering what they mean.
>                                        Thanks, In advance

t({Try newsgroup alt.dreams.

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: trocklin@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom Rocklin)
Subject: Naive conceptions of intelligence
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:15:16 GMT

In 1981, Sternberg and others (see reference below) published a paper on
naive conceptions of intelligence.  As a starting point, they collected
a large number of trait words descriptive of intelligence and unintelligence.
In a footnote, they offer to send this list to interested readers.  I faxed
a letter to Sternberg a while back asking for the materials, and for what-
ever reason, haven't heard back.

Bottom line:  Does anyone happen to have that list?  Thanks in advance.

Reference:
Sternberg, R. J., Conway, B. E., Ketron, J. L., & Bernstein, M.
(1981). People's conceptions of intelligence. Journal of Personality
and Social Psychology, 41(1), 37-55.


-- 
Tom Rocklin                                  374 Lindquist Center
319/335-5570                               The University of Iowa
319/335-5386 (fax)                            Iowa City, IA 52242
From: jpab+@andrew.cmu.edu (Josh N. Pritikin)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: iq tests
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:23:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfIYSeW00WD5Mz1qJ4
Organization: Sponsored account, School Of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> >1) There's a lot of culturally biased questions here... and what I guess I
> >   would call "educationally biased" questions. Some of the questions it asked
> >   would be very tricky if you weren't a well-educated American... and neither
> >   culture nor education should, in theory, have anything to do with IQ score\
> s.
> 
> This is one of my concerns about the whole IQ measuring thing.
> Personally, I think these tests have no value at all, given the fact
> for which purposes they are used.

Sure they have value.  The problem is that they claim to test
'intelligence'.  This is ridiculous.  It is my feeling that it is
impossible to establish any good, precise definition of human
intelligence.  All the quibbling about cultural or educational bias in
questions (that aren't honest oversights by the test authors) springs
from this confusion about what "intelligence" means.  The test
writer(s) must have a different opinion than the critic.

However, these tests give good and useful results.  The standard IQ
test measures "IQ" (whatever that indicates) and certainly the SmartIQ
test measures a similar quantity.  If one of these quantities somehow
correlates with some behaviour you want (suicidal behavior perhaps),
then you can screen for suicidal people.  Unfortunately, the error
bound is a function of the degree of correlation and sample size so
this may not be of value in most cases.  :)

joshp@cmu.edu   /o)\
                \(o/
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From: an2990@anon.penet.fi
Subject: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:42:57 GMT

If a person has no debt to anyone, is responsible for
no one, (no SO or kids or what-have-you) etc, etc. And
that person sees no reason to keep 'surviving', what
is wrong with one terminating his own life ?
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From: asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:02:54 GMT

| I hate it when people take what I say wrong.

			-Dawna MacIvor

Obviously I speak only for myself, but I would not have taken
exception to your article if you had said, "I believe that life 
is worth living." As I said, I'm glad you do! But when you say,
"Life is worth living, no matter what anyone thinks", you are
making an emphatic statement that squelches disagreement, and
is bound to get a rise out of somebody (as it did out of me!).

					-Alan



Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: paulk@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Paul E. King)
Subject: therapist abuse
Summary: has it been studied?What symptoms?What behaviours? Where to find info?
Keywords: Questions from a non-subscriber
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:07:45 GMT

I think that the above kind of says it all. I am not involved with psychology,
but I would be interested in knowing what I can on the subject. I would 
appreciate it if anybody could submit whatever they know, for example, how
frequently/infrequently does it occur? I would appreciate it more if you 
could submit whatever journal references you think are appropriate. 

I am a non-subscriber to this group, so please send all correspondence by
email. 

Thank you.

paulk@farfield.cs.mun.ca

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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Studies on Gesturing during Teaching
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:48:17 GMT

I have searched far and wide, and although I've found many papers on 
the use of screen gestures for control, I have not found any psychological
research that studies the types of gestures used during specific types
of communication.  One such specific example is teaching, or at least
pointing to objects that a person wants others to focus their attention
on.

I have seen Birdwhistell's research, but his work isn't quite the area
I'm looking for.

Can anyone give me a few leads into this area, or tell me if there are
*no* leads?  Am I in the wrong news group (should I head of to sci.anthropology
or something?)?  Thanks for your time - Chuck

-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Sick of Psychotherapy (was Forgot to Take my Prozac)
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:07:53 GMT
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

You know you've been doing this too long when the pharmacist comes out
behind the counter to look at you after you turn in your prescriptions.  

"You take how many Prozac?  And lithium too?  And you're STILL depressed?"
                                                 - my mother at Thanksgiving

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