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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: The People Of Turkiye (Non-Aryan) Have A Country, 'Zagros Cavus.'
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:36:00 GMT



<ku5lotINNem5@aludra.usc.edu>
madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi)

>The Kurds are the largest LANDLESS ethnic group in the world.  The Turks have
>a country.  It is called Turkey.  Where is the Kurdish state?

Speaking for the 'Aryan Kurds?' The people of Turkiye (non-Aryan) have 
a country. 

>Let's solve all of the problems of the world and erase ALL countries.  Let's
>form one big world community.  Then let us protect the rights of all cultures
>to exist peacefully, co-equally, and to be openly practiced.  What?  You don't
>like this?  

On the contrary, I loved it. Why not start with Germany, USA, France,
Spain and China? You don't like that? 

>Could it be that the reasons we have for desiring nations are
>DIFFERENT?  I state that if you GUARANTEE that Kurds will be able to practice
>their culture and language and pass these heritages on to the EXACT same
>extent as the Turks, then we have no problem.  Too bad that this hasn't quite
>yet occured (getting there but not yet...) AND if you have the Turkish
>government openly admit that what it did to the Kurds in the past was morally
>unjustifiable (i.e. a public worldwide apology), then I will stop talking about

Is this joker for real? Tell you what, 'Zagros the Kurd,' anyone who does 
not want to live in the Republic of Turkiye is free to emigrate, but 
Turkiye cannot be broken up to accommodate the PKK/KGB that wants to build, 
of all things, a Marxist state for the Kurds. Don't confuse Turkiye with 
the 'ruler' states. Kurds, like the Turks, are suffering in the underdeveloped
regions of the country. And those who have certain opportunities can,
just like the Turks of their region, reach good positions, earn money
and go to Parliament and even become ministers/prime minister/president.
This is the general concept among the people of Turkiye. 

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Germanya...
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:57:27 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI) writes:

>>of their so valuable advises to some of their neighbours, let's say
>>to France about their minorities in Bask and Corsica or others, or even

>Being 25% Basque and 25% Corsican, I know what I am talking about.
>You don't. There is a difference between jailing terrorists, and
>bombing an entire population with foreign made aircraft.

Can you explain us what you meant by "bombing an entire population".
If you mean the deaths in Southeastern Turkey, the dead was almost
exclusively PKK members with rifles, rockets and hand grenades, who
attacked the police monitoring the demontrations.  If you mean the
bombing of the PKK camps that are in Northern Iraq, this is not 
bombing an entire population but the PKK guerillas that kill
civilians in Turkey. In any case, I don't think any other government 
would take different action to a terrorist organization, be it France 
or Germany or Britain or US. There are examples. 

Of course this does not mean there were no civilian deaths in those
actions, among the PKK gunman there were innocent people too; and this
should be avoided. But "bombing entire population"... that can only
be uttered by an ignorant man.

Kutluk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4084 talk.politics.mideast:10478 talk.politics.soviet:3324 soc.culture.soviet:2963 soc.culture.greek:3224 soc.culture.europe:3629 soc.culture.german:2952
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: 'Wieneramus' Barks, 'Turkish Caravan' Goes: 'X-Soviet Jew.'
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:26:00 GMT


<703187288@locust.cs.duke.edu>
wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

>      Cry, baby, cry!  You call Ivan the Terrible anti-Turkish.
>      In the first place, get your facts straight.  He defeated
>      and subjugated the Kazan' Tatars, who are not Turks.  I am
>      probably preaching to a deaf-and-dumb audience, however, in
>      light of the obvious fact that you are even taught in school
>      to consider Attila the Hun a Turk!!

With all those facts working against you, no wonder you cannot listen,
'Wieneramus.' Does not the march by the Kazan Turks carrying Turkish
flags mean anything? Anyway, the image-conscious ASALA/SDPA/ARF 
terrorists (your handlers) sorely feel a missing glory in 
their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and 
independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged 
in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed 
genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia 
and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and 
fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry 
during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing, 
rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the 
Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians 
engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal 
they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million 
Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4103 soc.culture.iranian:3246
Organization: Old Dominion University Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 18:55:35 EDT
From: FARID <FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian
Subject:    Armenian Explosion.

A huge explosion in an Armenian amunition depot is reported.
From: hbm@ddsw1.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Who'll Be The Next 'iesd.auc.dk' President? 'Lars P. Fisher?'
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:45:00 GMT


<FISCHER.92Mar30234345@thor.iesd.auc.dk>
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)

>your I know that your not a moron like Hasan B. Mutlu.
>There's no need for to you act like one. 

I don't wish to be unduly argumentative but just what do the 
'labels' and 'morons' mean in 'iesd.auc.dk?' Besides, you
seem so into the 'act of morons.' Is this what turns you on?
People will think you are just some looney howling in the wires,
'Fischer.'

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "Members of our family witnessed the murder of 148 members of our 
  family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying 
  anything and anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim. Armenians should look 
  to their own history and see the havoc they and their ancestors 
  perpetrated upon their neighbors...Armenians were in league with Hitler 
  in the last war, on his premise to grant them self government if, 
  in return, the Armenians would help exterminate Jews...Armenians were 
  also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic acts in league with the 
  Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!"

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human,soc.history,talk.politics.mideast
From: ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: No Wonder The Greek Economy Is In Shambles, 'Skartsis.'
Organization: Washington University in St. Louis
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:40:33 GMT

In article <9204040359.A9076eJ@anadolu.michigan.com>
 han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:


... various bull as usually (what else?)


Ok, this is my last  answer here in the discussion. And this
because I don't make money by writing in the net and I have
to use my time otherwise...

Why did I have to make comparison between Greece and Turkey? Why
did I have to insult Turkey (and, to answer here, I can't again avoid it
to some extent)? Your attitude makes people attack your country even if
they don't want to.
You keep critisizing and insulting other peoples and countries, 
especially Greece,
in a particularly mean way, excibiting blind hatred. And God forbid
if anyone says the least about your own country , which you know
very well how ... (to be polite) far from developed it is! 

OK:
To put it simply, even if one does not correct the greek economic
numbers for Greece's notorious huge "hidden" economy  (that every 
economist on earth says that it actually is de facto additional
income that has to be taken into account - what the hell are you
mumbling about? you never heard of this?),
the difference between our two countries in all respects , no 
matter how you choose to present the numbers is huge; so huge,
that it is a joke to even make comparisons, even talk about 
comparisons... 

The difference between Greece and the most developed
countries (in all those indicators that refer to development, quality
of life etc.) is minimal compared to that between her and Turkey -
which is waaay below, ... well... deep into the third world domain.
(and note: Turkey is the only OECD country to be listed as "third world
country").

I think it was Spiros Triantafilopoulos who presented a large number
of comparative statistical data that show the above - which, 
anyway, is common
"qualitative" knowledge already! Why even bother??
 
Why don't you look once more at the UN's HDI (Human Development
Index) which ranks the countries taking into account several different
factors - and forget that Greece's "hidden" economy is not even accounted
for ? Where is Greece and where is Turkey? 
What  more can one possibly  say? 

To finish:
- Yes, Greek economy (macroeconomic indicators)
is in bad shape; and so many things are wrong in
Greece and we all feel ashmed of it!
- Yes, Turkey is developing fast; that's great! Sincerely! There are
many accomplishments of this country worth admiration (for example,
technically is by far the most advanced muslim country). I hope it
were developing  and closing the gap even faster. Why the hell would
I wish it to remain poor? 
- But: 
There is still a biiiiig difference and a loooong way to go. And,
unfortunately, its relative backwardness is reflected in the 
mentality of many Turks, perfectly examplified and represented by
yourself. That's where the roots of many problems are....

 That's why I truly wish you guys do well for a long time and
eventually (really) prosper and develop.

Regards,
Labros Skartsis
From: KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Turkish Entrepreneurs successful in Germany
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:39:33 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool


 TURKISH ENTREPRENEURS SUCCESSFUL IN GERMANY

Ankara (DGPI)-  The 'Voice of  Germany' Radio satated that  on 19
March "In  Berlin, the former  and new capital of  Germany, where
over 200,000 Turks  live, new fields of activity  have opened for
them since the union of the two Germanys.

Turks who were  adding dashes of colorur to the  city, by running
groceries, restaurants  and similar  small businesses  in Berlin,
lost no  time in launching  initiatives in East Berlin  after the
wall was torn down. One  hundred and twenty Turkish entrepreneurs
who expanded their volume of  business in Berlin after the union,
have  received  licences  and   opened  stores  in  East  Berlin.
Establishing their  own businesses  in Germany,  Turks are  a new
factor of economic cooperation between the two countries. Germany
is Turkey's most important trade partner. German companies are in
the lead  in foreign  investments in Turkey.  On the  other hand,
among  the  companies investing  in  the  five new  provinces  in
eastern Germany, the number of Turkish companies is increasing.

Increase in Turnover

Turkish entrepreneurs who entered the markets of East Germany and
the new provinces increased their turnover by 40% in the last two
years. Turkey's  exports to  Germany have  increased by  the same
ratio  and  reached  3.1  million  from  2.2  million.  Turkish
industrial  companies  which  have been  taking  important  steps
towards globalization in recent  years, are making investments in
East Germany. For example, Raks Cassette, is modernizing Magnetic
Band Company with and investment of DM 420 million.

Turkish  industrial   companies  want  to  make   investments  in
Magdeburg, Leipzig, Dresden and other  big cities. In this modern
industrial age, Turkey is one of the countries on the treshold of
industrialization  which  realizes the  fact  that  the need  for
qualified personnel  in industry cannot  only be met  by academic
qualifications.  Therefore  utilizing   the  vast  experience  of
Germany in  this field, vocational  training is given  in paralel
with secondary education.

NEWSPOT, 26 March 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ccetinka@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Cetin Cetinkaya)
Subject: Re: ATATURK
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:10:56 GMT



Subject: URe: ATATURKV

>Sayin Ccetinkaya,


>Komik posting inizi okudum.Sen benim yazdiklarimi gercekten anladinmi??
>" Bir yerde issiz gucsuz kocakarilar oturunca ya dedikodu yaparlar yada
>birbirlerini yerler " mealindeki kisa bir mail ile ortaligi nasil karistiriyor-
>musum????????????????????Benim butun yazdigim bu iken bu aptalca sonucu nasil
>cikardiniz?? Tebrikler dogrusu.

Once S.Kondakci'nin IQ seviyesi soruldu, simdi benim yazdiklarim komik ve aptalca
bulunuyor. Bence isminizi yazmamakla cok iyi ediyorsunuz, belki boylelikle net 
matarasinin gercek kimligini kimse ogrenemez..

>Ataturkculuk konusunun benim icin konusulacak bir yonu yok ve turkiyenin bundan
>cok daha onmeli problemleri var.

Zaten size anlatilmaya calisilanda bu. Eger konunun onemine inanmiyorsaniz bu sizin
probleminiz ve bizi ilgilendirmez. Fakat hoslanmadiginiz meseleyi tartisanlara -yok
siz kocakari dedikodusu yapiyorsaniz- derseniz, gereken cevap verilir. 

>Bu yuzden,uzerinde uzun suredir konusulan ama
>bir arpa boyu dahi yol alinamayan ,alinsa bile birseyi cozmeyecek olan bir konu
>da ben konusmuyorum.Konusmak isteyen de quite welcome.Simdi anladin umarim.  

>Merak ediyorsan benim lakap diye kullandigim kelimeyi arastir ve ogren.
>Gerci isine yaramaz ama sen bilirsin.OK ????

Bu tehtidkar tonu kullanma cesaretini nereden buluyorsunuz bilmiyorum, fakat burasi
ABD, en azindan insanlar ne dusunduklerini asagi yukari soyleyebiliyor. Eger bu
nette tartismak istiyorsaniz, biraz TR havasindan ciksaniz herkes icin iyi olur.

>Merak ediyorsan benim lakap diye kullandigim kelimeyi arastir ve ogren.
>Gerci isine yaramaz ama sen bilirsin.OK ???? 

Sanirim, siz bu "Gakkos" kelimesinin "mahalli" bir lakap oldugunu soylemistiniz.
Ben sizin hangi mahallede yasadiginizi bilmiyorum ve ayni sehirde de  yasamiyoruz.
Durum boyle olunca rica etsem lakabinizin ne anlama geldigini, bir zahmet ogrenim
bizlere soyleseniz, boylelikle bizlerde sizin engin "wisdom"inizdan bir sekilde
yararlanmis oluruz.

>Gakkos,

Hey, chill out... 

ccetinkaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: Wishful Thinking Is Unproductive, Only Facts Count, 'Spiros.'
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.010051.9769@aeras.uucp> kotinis@aeras.UUCP (John Kotinis) writes:
>In article <m0laL2r-0003YPC@ddsw1.mcs.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>>
>>Bizarre, outrageous things tend to stay in your memory better than 
>>ordinary, humdrum things. Right? Not a chance. It is the same mentality 
>>which allows Greeks to rationalize that Cyprus is a Greek Island. No 
>>history book shows that it ever was. It belonged to the Ottoman Turks 
>>'lock, stock and barrel' for a period of well over 300 years.
>>In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, following
>>bloody naval battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the
>>island of Cyprus belonged, invariably, to several nations:
>>The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians,
>>the Ottoman Turks, of course in that order, owned it as 
>>their territory. But, it has never been the possession
>>of the government of Greece - not even for one day -
>>in the history of the world. Moreover, Cyprus is
>>located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only 
>>40 miles from Turkiye's southern coastline.
>>Saddam Hussein claims that Kuwait was once Iraqi territory 
>>and the Greek Cypriot government and the Greek governments 
>>think that Cyprus also was once part of the Greek hegemony.
>
>And by accident, people in Cyprus, (80 %) speak Greek.
>I think that these people down there love to learn foreign languages.
>Tell us more .......
>
>Right. only facts count. 
>And the facts say that Turkey, illegally occupies the 40% of the island.
>Read all the statements of the United Nations for the
>turkish invantion in CYPRUS.
>Unfortunately for Turkey, all were against Turkey.
>Oh yes, i know, these Greeks again.....
>
>>.............
>>Hasan B-) Mutlu

>Yannis Kotinis

Why bother answering to this ......... Yiannis? 

Mutlu...have you ever been to Cyprus? Where ever you turn your head, you
see ancient Greek Ruins, Byzantine churches, let alone that as Yiannis
noted (in case you didn't know) 80% of the population are Greeks (Greek-Cypriot
if you like). Where did all these come from. Did the Turks brought them there?

And don't bother to reply... I have a wonderful KILL file that takes care
all of your articles....inlcuding those with the new account (hbm)

THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE  !!!

Theodore.
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: Turkish Entrepreneurs successful in Germany
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:38:57 GMT

In article <92104.113933KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
>
> TURKISH ENTREPRENEURS SUCCESSFUL IN GERMANY

>the new provinces increased their turnover by 40% in the last two
>years. Turkey's  exports to  Germany have  increased by  the same
>ratio  and  reached  3.1  million  from  2.2  million.  Turkish
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>industrial  companies  which  have been  taking  important  steps
>towards globalization in recent  years, are making investments in
>East Germany. For example, Raks Cassette, is modernizing Magnetic

This numberr seems to be too low, since Germany is Turkey's main
trading partner and Turkey's exports exceeded $ 16 billion last
year. The figure must be in "billions" at least but still
$3.1 billion seems a little low.

Sincerely,

Orhan.
From: mcs@mayo.edu (Mahlon Stacy  4-4558)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: SOVUSA Network
Keywords: Network
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: bmw.1992Apr6.211945.17337
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus

My wife, who has internet email connections, but not
newsfeed connections, is seeking information about something
she believes is called the SOVUSA network. Can anyone supply
me with further information about it.

	-Thanks
	-Mahlon

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From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:  info on Russia
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:48:29 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Dear Kitty:
Frinds of mine (in Upstate NY) have recently been involved in dog-related
activity - importing some rare kind of a shepherd dog from Russia.
They are Dmitry and Alla Shkolnik, P.O. Box 16, Jordanville, NY.
Phone (315) 866-2577. Say hello from Mark. Good luck!
From: gt4342d@prism.gatech.EDU (Sergey K. Asvadurov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Portret raboty Pablo Picasso
Keywords: anecdotes
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:27:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi!
Extending the talk about Picasso: personally I know three anecdotes
where the name of the famous artist is being used. Who knows more?

========================
Intellegentnaja zhenshina stoit na vystavke v muzee, s interesom
smotrja na odnu kartinu. Ona - sluzhitelu vystavki:
-Skazhite, eto Picasso?
-Da, Picasso!
-(Zadumchivo) Obossat'sja!
=======================
Intelligentnaja zhenshina stoit na vystavke i smotrit na kartinu.
Ona - sluzhitelu:
-Skazhite, eto Kikasso?
-Ne Kikasso, a Picasso!
-(S uverennost'ju) Ne kizdi!
======================
K taksistu sela krasivaja zhenshina v krasnom platje. Nevznachaj on 
kladet ej ruku na grud'. Zhenshina:
-To, chto vy ishete, u menja za uhom - ja naturshitsa Picasso!
======================

Kto bol'she?

================================================================
Sergey K. Asvadurov
Internet: gt4342d@prism.gatech.edu
tel. (404) 676-1588
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From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: A SOLUTION to UNWANTED TURKISH POSTINGS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:14:32 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:

> 
> Just form alt.propaganda.turkish or something similar. I don't quite
> understand why I have to read masses of Turkish propaganda in a group
> called soc.culture.soviet. And why that crap is cross-posted at least to
> half dozen newsgroups.

I think it is an attempt by the enemies of the Turks to get everyone
in the world so alienated against the Turks that they vote a UN
resolution to REALLY commit genoide.

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