From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian boy
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:33:01 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec21.225837.6407@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
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>If the US withdraws when the Somalis are sufficiently well-fed to
>resume a full-scale civil war, will the US be working in their better
>interests?  Should the Israelis just let the Arabs in Israel slaughter
>each other without any rule of law?

Are you really trying to make us believe this?  Where was the 'moralistic'
U.S. back in 1988 when this all started?  Are you trying to make us believe
that they are not there as a permanent fixture to represent the interests
of the United States, Egypt, and possibly, Saudi Arabia whom all fear and
despise the Islamic government of Sudan?  Are you trying to make us believe
that the troops come on a peaceful and humanitarian mission while invading
Somalia at gun point and on tanks? 

>Deceptive and misleading, Brad/Ali.  Tsk, tsk.  Israel has expressed
>little desire to withdraw from ISRAEL, but has no interest in the
>remainder of what was once the region known as Palestine and is now
>Jordan. 

So why should we bother talking then?  And why are you writing
Brad/Ali as though he is trying to hide it?  If he is Ali, I'm sure
he is proud to be.

>Israeli troops are in Israel the same way that Americans have military
>bases in the United States.  If there is a major civil unrest or
>natural disaster, the military may be called to control the situation.
>The National Guard does the same here as the Border Police does in
>Israel. 

Only the military do not go into Denver, Colorado to expell hundreds
of people from their homes.  The military does not demolish the
homes in St. Petersburg, Florida, or break into the homes of 'accused'
collaborators of opposition to the Bush Regime.  The military does not
open fire on young children in Chicago, Illinois, nor does the military
break the hands of five year-olds for throwing rocks and cause pregnant
women to miscarry their child anywhere in a civilized and decent society.

>You are assuming that the West Bank is "Palestinean land".  It is odd
>that you do not assume this of Jordan, even though most Jordanians
>call themselves Palestinean and most Palestineans are Jordanians.  Did
>anyone ever call the Jordanians an "occupying power"?  Why not?

The only reason why Palestinians call themselves Jordanian IS ONLY
BECAUSE THEY WERE BORN THERE AND HAVE JORDANIAN CITIZENSHIP!  BUT THEY
ARE STILL PALESTINIANS FROM GENERATIONS OF PALESTINIANS BORN IN THE
LAND OF PALESTINE!!  It is the same principle of Jews referring to
Palestine as their home - only they have the right to return and have
denied Palestinians their rights and to return.
 
>This is precisely why the Jordanians are willing to fight an Israeli
>attack on Jordan.  This is also why the Israelis are adamant about
>removing the PLO from Israel, along with Hamas, just like the Lebanese
>were anxious to remove these same troublemakers.  There is only room
>for one government in one country.

The point is that a HUMAN BEING has the LEGITIMATE RIGHT to OPPOSE
SUPPRESSION AND OCCUPATION THEREOF.  Israel is adamant about removing
any and ALL Palestinians who oppose their tyranny.  And the Lebanese
who cooperate with Israel, hate the Muslims even more than the Jews do.

Anisa

	"What I carry in my heart brings us so close, but so
	far apart"