From: fk2x@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Fai  Kang)
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:11:15 GMT

In article <BzCI8x.H22@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>A nation is much bigger than "thousands of lives", I believe the dead is in 
>hundreds. Westeners are using China's internal difference to advance their
>interests in a noble name. It was true during the turn of the centry that
>after decades of "open trade" with West China economy was destroyed, Qing
>government and Chinese people realized that China was deceived by the West
>.Before Qing government have wnough time to turn around, West supported
>Sun Zhong San's over throw of Qing Dunasty. China became "first republic in 
>Asia", then China suffered wosest humiliation in moden history until after
>WWII.1911 revolution is a good thing, why good thing has to be done in such
>a hight cost. if Qing dynasty had smoothly trasifered and industrialized
>China. it may have avoided the first half of this centry's suffering of
>Chinese people. rightnow, West are trying to do it again, they will absolutely 
>fail, it is too late for china to became "the first democracy in asia". Adn
>people like me and many others are willing to do anything to stop them.
>Chinese are no longer "sleeping lion" or "ossfied headed". The old tricks do
>not work any more. Westeners may have to come up better tricks(more 
>"sophisticated" in their words).


I guess you are not a politician since you don't talk like a politician, but
you do think like a politician: "A nation is much bigger than thousands of
lives"  Ummmm ... A nation such as mainland China is still bigger than
6 million people in HongKong, right? Let's just kill them all and shut up
and go back to our regular work. 

Don't blame Qing Dynasty, please! You are blaming the generations before our
great-grandfathers, which apparently nobody is responsible any more. If you
 really want to compare,
 compare with Japan after the 2nd World War.  Why don't you
blame the communist Government which started about the same time as Japan did?
OR, individually, you can blame Mao, the 'gang of four' ... Even Taiwan is
better than our Great Great mainland China.... Ummm ... So what DO YOU
THINK is going on?

Concerning Deng, I have an opinion that, no matter what, he should have
 resigned after what have happened based on a sense of humanity. I know 
"western" leaders would have done that, will he? I don't think western
countries try to act like noble knights.  If we have faults which are
 elaborated  by the western media to blame on us, we better correct
 ourselves first, right?.


>Westeners (WASPs rather) do not have the luxury to talk about "human rights"
>"democracy" "freedom". China basically ignored those rhoteric, if Chinese put
>as much effort as those Westeners did on China, their hypocricy will be
>cristal clear in front of the world.
>>
>>
>>Why should you bother to continue arguing with the rest of the world?
>>Is it Deng's policy to kill anyone not complying?? Hey, you are not
>>being faithful to your master. You should go ki** yourself. Don't
>>waste your time here.

>  Desperate? helpless? frighteded? go to hell with your "values".

Yah! I will go with him, too. I do think hell is much better than
a second "Culture Revolution".      
                                              -  F.K. 
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