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From: cl@ukc.ac.uk (C.Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: cl@ukc.ac.uk (C.Lau)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Nov9.201000.13722@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In article <6130182@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>>>soc.culture.hongkong / chris@ng.austin.ibm.com / 11:14 pm  Nov  5, 1992 /
>>
>>both passport. The nationality act of Britian is very complicate. But 
Yes, it is.

>>basically, you need to live in UK (for real British Subject) or Colonies
>>like Hong Kong (for faked British Subject) for some years (five for a 
>>Hong Konger to register as UKer). Being born in UK or HK then natualisation
>>to US citizenship should have no effect or even bad effect.
By regulation, one needs to work four years in the UK to get the PR
status, then stays in UK for another 12 months to qualify for registering as
a UK citizen.

>Live in HK for 7 years legally makes one eligible to apply for residency.
>However, if you are not naturally born in HK, you would not be eligible
>to apply for a so called BNO or BDTC passport.
Unless you were referring to the scheme offered specifically to Hong
Konger sometimes ago by the UK Government, it is irrelevant whether or 
not you were born in HK. But whether or not the UK Gov't allows dual
citizenship is of concern.

The point is if one is a US citizen, what is the objective of this
exercise?

Christina
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: Support Democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:05:31 GMT

I urge "all people of good will to support the further democratization
of Hong Kong".
 
A previous version sent out omitted some sponsoring organizations.
 
Wing
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
                        For Immediate Release
 
                                               November 1, 1992
 
At the third Annual General Meeting of the Alliance of Hong Kong
Chinese in the United States, recent constitutional development in
Hong Kong was extensively discussed and the meeting unanimously
adopted the following resolution.
 
Whereas the Alliance strongly support the longstanding aspiration of
the Hong Kong people for a high degree of autonomy and democracy, we
feel the recent constitutional revisions proposed by Governor
Christopher Patten are small steps in the right direction.  The
provisions to broaden the electorate for the functional constituencies
and to have an Election Committee composed mainly of members from the
directly-elected District Boards in no way contravene the letter or
spirit of the Sino-British Joint Declaration or the Hong Kong Basic 
Law.  These proposals, however, still fall far short of the wish of 
the Hong Kong people.  We especially regret the lack of progress in 
the number of directly elected seats. 
 
The Alliance further believe that the seven letters exchanged between 
Britain and China in 1990 do not constitute a secret agreement between
the two countries, and in any case such an agreement violates the
principles of openness, fairness, and autonomy of the Hong Kong
people.  We also deplore blatant threats made recently by Chinese
govern[Y7: officals on the future of Hong Kong.
 
We appeal to the Hong Kong Legislative Council to shoulder their
responsibility and speedily pass the package of constitutional
revisions proposed by Governor Patten and urge all people of good will
to support the further democratization of Hong Kong.
 
 
For further information please contact Ms Anita Ng at (617)647-0695.
 
The above statement is endorsed by the Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese
in the United States and its members:
 
Alliance for a Democratic Hong Kong (Honolulu, HI)
Association of Overseas Hong Kong Chinese for Democracy and Human Rights 
   (Cambridge, MA)
Club Bauhinia (San Jose, CA)
Federation of Overseas Hong Kong Chinese - DC (Washington, DC)
Hong Kong Forum (Alhambra, CA)
Hong Kong Prospect (New York, NY)
Hong Kong Students and Scholars Society, Columbia University (New York, NY)
Hong Kong China Observer (Minneapolis, MN)
Overseas Hong Kong Chinese for a Democratic China (Urbana, IL)
Support Democracy in China (Cupertino, CA)
UCLA Hong Kong Student Union (Westwood Plaza, CA)
Wisconsin Hong Kong Students for China Democracy (Madison, WI)
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:30:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Organization: Hewlett-Packard SSG/CCSY-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) /  8:10 pm  Nov  9, 1992 /
>In article <6130182@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>>>soc.culture.hongkong / chris@ng.austin.ibm.com / 11:14 pm  Nov  5, 1992 /
>>
>>both passport. The nationality act of Britian is very complicate. But 
>>basically, you need to live in UK (for real British Subject) or Colonies
>>like Hong Kong (for faked British Subject) for some years (five for a 
>>Hong Konger to register as UKer). Being born in UK or HK then natualisation
>>to US citizenship should have no effect or even bad effect.

>Live in HK for 7 years legally makes one eligible to apply for residency.
>However, if you are not naturally born in HK, you would not be eligible
>to apply for a so called BNO or BDTC passport.

No. Yes can apply for nationalisation. Quite a lot of people has done so. Most
from mainland China. There is a case that an english holding British Passport
apply to nationalise to BNO (strange???). In UK, all people except student and
some special visa holder (such as training permit, exchange work etc) lived
for four years would have residency. All commonwealth citizen lived for five
years and the last of these five is in residency (He must not away for more
than 90 days at anyone time during these five years) can register as citizen.
Non-commonwealth citizen need nationisation. The different, nationisation
cost more, need to test of English and make the officer believe that you
are so used to english life (read boring) and you cannot live in your own 
country. Of course, rules are rules, just like a lot of people who never set
foot outside China town, not a single word of English can still get it (in
UK or US, or anywhere).

Yuk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: The commercial by KCR
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 20:36:28 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov8.231424.18222@cis.ohio-state.edu> kwai@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (ka-kei wai) writes:
> Well, I'm just wondering why nobody talks about the commercial, in which
> some kids play in a forrest, by KCR. I'm sure somebody knows what I'm talking
> about, especially those in Hong Kong. 

Yeah, that KCR about a bunch of kids lining-up imitating a train.  I like that
commerical a lot.  It's touching and rise some fond memories of mine...

(P.S. It seems to me that commerical is sort of a copycat to McDonnell
      Douglas's commerical on the advanced commerical aircraft 1 - what is it
      offically called? - that photography a bunch of kids playing paper
      aeroplanes, and in the background a prototype model shows up in the sky.

      I think the header reads "The dream is coming true..."

      If you happen to wonder, that plane is supposed to be out in 1996 and
      takes only 2-3 hours non-stop from Tokyo to New York)

BTW, have anyone seen "World's Best Commericals at Cannes '91"?  I saw the
'90 one, and it is awesome!  I think most HK people should see the last one,
the Grand Prix winner, which tells people how bad TV could do to any addicted 
TV watcher.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

- Louis



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO)
Subject: American comics
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:40:43 GMT

Hi all,

	I'm going back to HK over the Christmas period, and I'll be there
	for quite few weeks...probably months. 

	Subject says it all. Does anyone know where I could buy update
	American comics in HK? As some of you might know (especially
	those in the States) Superman is going to die. And I wouldn't
	miss that for the world. (I know they're going to bring him back
	somehow, but I'm still falling for that.)

	Thanks.


May thy fortunes go with thee.

Darren				 		    dyko@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au 
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The commercial by KCR
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:35:07 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov11.105846.5408@kub.nl> LEE@KUB.NL (W. Lee) writes:
>
>I also want to know more about the whole story, but what the hell does
>KCR mean ???  Please enlight me.
>
My god, you don't even know Kowloon Canton Railway.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Acts of love
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:56:36 GMT


rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:
> I didn't get it. How can her husband ask specifically? Will you ask your
> wife whether she was raped before? I did not mean to pick on your words,

How can her husband ask specifically? That's the point! If her husband
won't be that stupid to ask, why she should take the initiative?

> but I think it would benefit her if she tell the truth. If her husband

I'm not sure about this.

> mind about that and not willing to accept the fact, I don't think he 
> should be her husband anyway. Think of it, if one day her husband heard

Well, if that position is taken (by the lady) before they married, I don't
think we have this question now. Some people (such as JAN) do care the
virginity of their mates. That's a fact of life.

> the story from other person rather than from the girl herself, what 
> will happen?

I felt that that may be the point the lady is struggling with. (See
4) below.)

My points are:

1) Need to distinguish not forthcoming from dishonesty. (Even the US
   constitution recognizes one's right to refuse answering questions.)
   Not taking the initiative does not amount to dishonesty.

2) The lady should ask herself clearly what is her objective of telling
   her husband about this. What does she expect to accomplish? There
   could be some situations that she _must_ take the initiative to do
   that (e.g., bringing a law suit against her father, etc.) But in other
   cases (such as for her own healing), she should also ask whether there
   are other alternatives.

3) If she decide to tell the truth, then work hard on the timing and
   approach (how to prepare her husband for the shock).

4) If she decide not to tell the truth (at least at the time being), still
   prepare her husband for the shock. How? Well, that's beyond my wit and
   she obviously needs professional helps. Are there any psychologists/
   social_workers/relationship_advisers around?

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Smart Handsome Chas)
Subject: Re: Commerical by KCR
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:42:59 GMT

In article <1996@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> hchan@hyde.uwindsor.ca writes:
>
>  As I know, there will be a discussion about the commerical on EYT tonight.
>Anyone in hk watch that discussion?  Did they replay that commerical?
>
>
>
>Henry Chan
>hchan@engn.uwindsor.ca
>
>

Excuse me, it confuses me. You said the show will be air tonight, then asked
if they DID reply that TV ads. How can people possibly forsee what they will
do? No offense. Take care.

Chas.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Norman Chiu)
Subject: Re: Re: This News Group Surprises Me!
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.005718.8745@oracle.us.oracle.com>,
glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) wrote:

> >Are you sure? I believe it is just because so far no US president born
> >outside USA. I remember someone going for presidentship last time was
> >born somewhere outside US.
> >
> I am pretty sure about this, US president has to be born in US.
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No.  You have to be a "natural born citizen" only.  That means when you
are born, you have to have the U.S. citizenship already, i.e. both,
or one (I am not sure), of your parents are U.S. citizens.

The location of where you born doesn't matter, the important thing
is whether you are a U.S. citizen the moment that you are born.

   /|   /  chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com  | Norman Chiu - Motorola Inc.
  / |  / ___________________________ | "We never gonna survive
 /  | / /  / /__/  /\/\   /_\   /| / |  unless we get a little
/   |/ /__/ /   \ /    \ /   \ / |/  |  crazy"       - Seal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:56:00 GMT


> I don't get this one, please explain... yes, I want to laugh, too. :)
> 
> -- 
> ==wun-chun Chau===============================What a crazy world!=============

Well, that one is really salty. Good for you not getting that. The
important thing is: don't say it to your math prof., especially if
your prof is female, unless ...

Steven
PS. If you insist to have some hint, well, think about Tong Yum words.
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: cantonese songs
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:50:45 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I think this is common w/in HK students.  They are away from HK and they still
>want to live the way they used to back in HK.  Come on, open yourself, I don't 
>know how much you know about American culture, not much, I guess.  The HK music
>scene sucks anyway.  Love, everyday, everysong, everybody, I am sick of it.
>It is so superficial that it is phony as hell.
>Well, do whatever you like.  Just some of my opinions.  You are my sons, I
>don't care!!!

I think there is a difference between not willing to open oneself to
American culture and not willing to let go of one's own culture entirely.
I truly believe that one can be open to another culture, yet still retain
one's own.  The closer I am with Americans (or any other "foreigners"), the more
aware I've become .  I've become more aware of my Chinese and HK background.
(note: this is *not* a bad thing).  My (American) friends never discriminate
me because I am different from them.  I, in turn, value my "HK culture" 
more than ever.  I begin to read Chinese books and magazines which I didn't
used to read.  So, speaking from experience, I conclude that one can 
live in a foreign culture, emerge in that culture, yet still retain one's own.

Also, I don't agree with your bashing of HK music as a whole.  It is easy to
just pick the "mainstream" ones and generalize every piece of HK music.  If 
you haven't found any "meaningful" HK songs, you haven't tried hard enough.
Please open yourself to your own culture--look at it from a new prospective.
Perhaps you will see something you otherwise haven't seen. 

Good luck and take care.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: alvin@top.cis.syr.edu (Alvin Leung)
Subject: Re: Cantonese songs for FTP'ing (Re: cantonese songs)
Organization: Syracuse University CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:47:45 EST


In article <1992Nov4.194238.26568@exu.ericsson.se>, James.Woo@ebu.ericsson.se (James Woo) writes:
|> 
|> In article 720895509@ee.ualberta.ca, aspoon@ee.ualberta.ca (Alvin Poon) writes:
|> >
...
|> Can someone post this file to this newsgroup for people like me that do not
|> have ftp access? Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> James

The file is +800k.  Posting this file will be a sure way to nuke this news group.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: cantonese songs
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:07:26 GMT

In article <9231416.22381@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>In article <BxC3EK.2pI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> yimwm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Warren Yim) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.161619.10864@menudo.uh.edu> zhangn@columbine.egr.uh.edu (Zhang) writes:
>>>In article <frankiel.7.721023636@extro.is.su.edu.au>  
>>>frankiel@extro.is.su.edu.au (Frankie Lam) writes:
>>>> In article <9231113.15665@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au  
>>>(William Lo) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> >For those who DON'T have a SUN, but DO have a PC and an audio sound  
>>>card 
>>>> >to play .wav files                                
>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> 
>>>> No, you don't have to buy a sound card if you just want to listen songs
>>>> under Windows 3.1. There is a PC internal speaker driver plays .wav  
>>>files
>>>> in resonably good quality. Today, I unload  
>>>pub/pc/win3/sounds/cant_sng.zip
>>>> from ftp.cica.indiana.edu (129.79.20.84) and it's real good. Be warned,
>>>> the file size is about 900KB zipped (1.4MB unzipped) and contains 4
>>>> songs (each about 40 seconds long).
>>>> 
>>>> Frankie Lam, Sydney University
>>>> 
>>Are you sure I can listen .wav files under Windows 3.1 without an audio
>>sound card under Win3.1, since I try the sound.exe in the control panel
>>but it is not enabled because I do not have a sound card. 
>>If I am wrong, please tell me how to listen a .wav file by the PC
>>internal speaker.
>>Thank you very much!
>>
>>Warren
>>
>	*Reboot* Windows, and you're hitting the bullseye.  
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Again, I've made yet another boo-boo :-C
	
	I'd presumed you already had the speaker driver for win which seems 
to be quite a wrong thing to do. I mean, um, all mistakes made by me could be 
just intentional. Well if that might sound better though...

	You can get the speaker driver at monu6.cc.monash.edu.au. The file
speak.exe in /pub/win3/sounds/ is all you have to have. Install it and then
reboot windows, and I'm pretty sure this time you're hitting the bullseye. 
	
>
>---Hope this helps,
>	Bill
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tcchao@napier.uwaterloo.ca (T.C. Chao)
Subject: Re: What the hell is Lam's first name?(Re: LAM is God!!)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:55:18 GMT

In article <1dkurdINNrj6@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST102119@brownvm.brown.edu (Chainsaw) writes:
>Well, does anyone out there know what Lam's English first name? Its
>sort of strange to call people by their last name... I don't think I
>have ever heard of his first name and I am DYING to find that out.
>
>I appreciate anyone who can enlighten me on this subject.
>
>
>
>                                           Chainsaw (yes, I'm back)

His first name is GEORGE.
From: jwong@cs.arizona.edu (John Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The most terrible commercial (Was Re: The commercial by KCR )
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: optima.26388
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <83515@ut-emx.uucp> funnyfin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>
>	The most terrible commercial that I can remember and have seen so far 
>is that of an atheletic foot spray. Your TV screen will first of all show a
>taxi waggling on the street at night. Then the screen will show an extremely 
>"Wui-Sor" (sorry I really don't know what's the word in English) turning back
>to explain to his angry passengers that that happened because of his atheletic
>foot. Those of you who never watch ATV in the afternoon will not have seen
>this commercial because TVB thinks it is too cheap and does not want to 
>"pollute" its broadcast.

Incidentally, there is a similar commercial in the US.  So I guess it
is a quite popular commercail afterall.
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:19:34 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov9.190229.22624@cis.ohio-state.edu> one writes:
>
> There was a commercial by KCR in which 7 children were playing in a forrest.
> Those children are all from Beijing. But according to the KCR, there are 
> supposed to be only 6 children. Thats means there is an extra child, who until
> now, nobody knows who he is. And a lot of people said that the extra child was
> jumping and with blood flowing out of his mouth during the whold commercial.
> The more terrible thing is the 2 of the 6 children are dead now and the other
> 4 missing but it seems like no one knows how they died. Since they are in 
> Beijing, it's tough to investigate on the incident.
>
  A silly question aside. Why are they all from Beijing? Are there
  no suitable local children in HK?

  leo.
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