From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Date: 27 Dec 1992 13:58:44 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec25.153416@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
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>Now what I didn't understand is whether one can imply from these quotes that the
>Quran explicitly enjoins upon all muslims to kill and drive out non-muslims from
>their homeland.

I don't know from where you started on the notion that "to kill and drive
out non-Muslims from their homelands", is the stated objective of Islam.
As was very clear from the Quranic verses that I reproduce below,
 the objective was to end the "mischief" (in Urdu "fasaad").

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>   And continue the fight against them until all mischief is effectively 
>   destroyed and the only DEEN holding sway is Allah's DEEN and none 
>   other. [Al Anfaal 8:39]

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>You will now jump on me and say that the hadith is therefore necessary to
>explain the circumstances under which these quotes are to be used. 
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>I will say sure but the events in the "accepted hadiths" are open to
>interpretation and even their authenticity may be suspect.

The  authenticity of Ahadiths we are talking about is more "solid"
from a historical view point, then most events of even the last century.
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>I would rely more on my judgement and my experience to interpret the Quran than
>to rely on hadith whose validity can be challenged.

Who is talking about Hadiths whose validity can be challenged?
We are only talking about the Hadiths whose "validity" can not
be challenged. For your information, challenging the authenticity
of suspected Hadiths has already been done by Muslim scholars more
than a thousand years ago. It would really be a great service to
Islam if you can furnish some new insight in this area. 

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>However it is the prerogative of other muslims to believe that the hadith are
>genuine. 

Yes, the prerogative is entirely between a Muslim and Allah (not with
other...). It is only Allah who knows what is in our hearts. The
ultimate prerogative is entirely HIS.
	
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>WHY WAS PARTITION NECESSARY? (finally coming back to the central subject of this
>thread)

A good time to come back to the discussion. 
I will agree, that we can very well say that Partition was NOT necessary. 
In fact, we can venture out and say about any event in the past whether
it is necessary or not. 

The important point easily forgotten in such conjectures is that
the people of that time FOUND it necessary. Now the real question
is what we find necessary today. Is there any thing we find necessary
today. If there is such thing, what are we doing about it?
My objective through out this thread had been that the only
reasonable objective in front of us is this:

An event happened. We can not turn the clock back by our estimation
of the necessities that compelled the event. The only alternative
is how to turn that event to our maximum advantage today.
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>Seeing your attitude I don't think its fruitful to continue this thread
>with you any further.
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I am sorry for writing some thing that I should not have.
Please accept my sincere apologies.

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