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From: ch134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michelle Guydosh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Mara Jade for the last !@#$% time
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:51:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I agree that Luke and Mara will fall in love, if Luke hasen't already.  In
fact, I'm suprised it hasn't happened already... but we will all find out in
the third book.
And I thank you for letting fme express my opinion .

michelle
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:17:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.134157.15861@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240954R@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JENKINS, MICHAEL) writes:
>
>Could someone explain to me why the DS bothered to take the time to orbit the
>planet to get to the rebel base when they could have just blown it away???
>Seemed like a bit of a waste of time to me...
>
>				Jenx..

Probably because the Death Star wasn't capable of destroying Yavin...the
ability to destroy a planet the size of Earth doesn't imply the ability to
destroy one like Jupiter! Believe me, there is a huge difference. A gas giant
(such as Jupiter, Yavin, or Bespin) has more in common with a brown dwarf star
than with a terrestrial planet.

							local Star Wars guru
______________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid." --Ham Salad

					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
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From: s9242932@win4.vut.EDU.AU (MindCryme)
Subject: TAPES AND STUFF
Organization: Victoria University Of Technology, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:32:35 GMT

Well , if anybody is interested , i still have the stupid little tape
that was released by Disney (?) that came along with the read-a-long
book (turn teh page when you hear this noise <insert R2 beeping here>)
oh , it's of STAR WARS ...  tho if memory serves , i my cousin had empire
and jedi in the same format ..

e-mail me if anybody wants this . or just add my name to the archive ..
adn if the archive gets set up , can you let me know whats in it ???
than buckets

Chris

"Commander , tear this ship apart until you've found those plans !! "
                 -Darth Vader on the blockade runner ..
(was this line realy in the movie , or did i just learn it from my dinky 
little tape ?? who knows ... :)

Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.starwars:8208 rec.arts.sf.tv:4860
From: MRM122@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs, vs the evilness in nazism
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:43:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92317.004309MRM122
 <92315.211205C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Here is an interesting concept:
Look at the Arthurian legend stories today... no one knows for sure if Arthur
really existed, the effects of that court on Wales, its involvement in the Holy
Grail, etc.  All we have are stories, notes, etc.  Nothing concrete.
Now, look at what is being produced today (meaning this century).  Who is to
say that future Grail Historians won't include the Chronicles of Indiana Jones
as part of the "History".  Centuries from now, the crew of the Enterprise will
be looked on as folk heroes.
What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know, but I thought it needed
saying.  But, pay attention to things today- who knows how they will regard it
tomorrow....  Someday WE will be the ones archaeologists look at.

                                     Marshall R. Maresca
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who's Dia Noga?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:28:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct27.155525.23619@mixcom.com>, Ray.Chramega <Ray.Chramega@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
> In <1992Oct27.063239.3621@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
> 
>>Hmmm.  I made a nice subject line, then realized that was all I really had to
>>say.  So...who IS Dia Noga, anyway?
>>-- 
> 
>    The creature in the trash compactor in the first film!
> 
	This is getting ridiculous.  I always called that thing "The thingy in
the trash compactor in the death star".  Did the Star Wars guys name
EVERYTHING?  I know they named some PEOPLE who's names weren't named in teh
film, but a PROP???  Geez.  What will they think of next?  :)
From: f_alfan@pavo.concordia.ca (ALFANI, FABRIZIO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Mara Jade for the last !@#$% time
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:54:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    In an earlier post, I mentioned the words 'Mara' and 'Boba' (INFIDEL!!
THOU SHALLT BURN IN HELLFIRE!!) I've received quite a bit of criticism about
this, but  I must clarify one thing:

The aim of my post was not to claim that Mara WAS Boba Fett. No way jose

I was simply stating my disappointment to her NOt being Fett, because while
reading the first half of Heir to the Throne, I got the notion that with 
some minor reworking, Zahn could have made a wonderful (IMHO) plot twist
by revealing that the intrepid bounty hunter known as Boba Fett was actually 
a woman. I (IMHO again) would have preferred seeing that happen, than have
Mara turn out to be some JamesBond/JediRenegade/Darksideflunky kinda character.
I think that Zahn made a big mistake when he introduced so many new force-users
in one book,most of whom couldn't fit in with any characters in the movies
(looking for Mara in ROTJ is a nice idea, doesn't work though). 

      The 6 reasons I listed were only to demonstrate how easy it would have
been to work with this notion. To those who misunderstood, I apologize.
I also mentionned that the Emperor could have been Boba's boss all along.
(FLAME ON sez you all). Listen, if the dude could have spies in every echellon
of the empire, amongst the civillians, and quite a few in the Alliance 
(heck in the high council even), who's to say that he couldn't have a few
dudes (or dudettes) posing as bounty hunters???????

    To sum up: Mara is not Fett! HTTH clearly indicates that. A stupendous
plot twist couldn't even undo that (well...) Luke and Mara are gonna fall
in love (so I think, anyways) and George Bush is outta here!!!

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From: dgoldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Robert Goldman)
Subject: Re: Lucas vs Zahn
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:07:09 GMT

I think the main reason the Zahn books are not as compelling as the movies is
that... well, they're books and not movies!  The excitement of the films came
not only from the character development and the plot twists and the intriguing
locales, but also from 1) the sheer momentum of the action scenes, 2) the 
strange visual familiarity of alien creatures and fantastic devices, and 
3) the ground-breaking space battle sequences, which broke away from older 
space-action sequence tradition.

1)  As an example of momentum, take the first half-hour of RoTJ.  (I could
    use the finale of either SW or RoTJ as an example, but those really owe
    more to #3 above)  Watch it closely as it crescendos up to the battle on
    the skiff.  Shots get shorter, the camera begins to move more, the camera
    focuses in on faces and characters, the framings get more and more daring
    (culminating in some pretty wild angles of Chewie, Han, and Lando as they
    dangle from the skiff!), and the music and sound effects increase in 
    volume.  There are very few writers of fiction who could keep up such a
    sustained crescendo of intensity over 60-70 pages.  (flame me, I could be
    wrong.  If so, I'd love to read it!)

2)  One of the reasons the creatures and devices are so goddamned cool is that
    they really mirror creatures and devices of our own universe, but they are
    never called those names.  Ephant Mon is really an Elephant Man, but a
    writer could never say that: it has to be visual.  The light saber is a
    glowing sword, with psychological ties to Excalibur, but again, it's a
    visual thing.  One of the real problems with the Zahn books is that no
    matter how many times we hear about Fey'lya's rippling fur, I just can't
    picture what a Bothan looks like.  (Any help on this would be appreciated!)

3)  Sort of goes without saying.  I find it very difficult, when reading the
    Zahn novels, to picture exactly what's going on.  And when I do, it's in
    a very flat, two dimensional sense... like, ship A is on the left of ship
    B, and ship C is on the left of THAT ship.  The SW space battles were
    really three-dimensional. with tie fighters really swarming all around the
    flagships, etc.

You may say, "Well, even the novelizations of the trilogy are more exciting 
than the Zahn books."  Maybe, but I'd be willing to wager we've all seen the 
movies before reading the books, so we have a good picture of all of it in our 
heads as we read, which enhances the experience.  Comments?  Flames?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: new thots on ENDOR
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.211514.6145@gw.wmich.edu>, x91newcastl1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> Just an idea...what if Endor is the name of the star system and/or the planet
> that supposedly is _not_ the "Forest moon of Endor" is either a planet in
> a close orbit, or a similarly sized planet that is interacting (kind of like
> a binary star system) with the "forest moon."  Speaking from the scientific
> viewpoint, which I know is not a true topic in science _fiction_, could this
> be viable?
> 
> Just pure speculation...

Here's something else to speculate: What if Endor wasn't a name at all? 
What if it was just a word in some alien tongue that doesn't translate 
properly into any Earthly language? Let's take an Earthbound example: 
I'm sure you've all heard of "The City of Love". Now just what does this 
refer to? The city isn't called Love, the country it's in isn't called 
Love, the continent isn't called Love, heck, even the PLANET isn't 
called Love! Yet pretty much everyone realizes that the city in question 
is none other than Paris, France. Endor may be a similar idea. Mata ne.

                                                 -=]> Max <[=-

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From: JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu (Mumbles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:24:26 GMT
 <1992Oct27.043857.4386@ll.mit.edu> <1992Oct27.230704.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
 <1cteb9INNcj1@gap.caltech.edu> <2NOV199222343654@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>
 <SS.92Nov3183414@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <SS.92Nov3183414@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) says:
>Why bother with thruster. A gravitational field of some kind to propel
>the DS could be feesable. Maybe? Besides, what is "hyperspace" ? It is
>a matter of incredible speed in normal space, or is is a type of
>dimensional travel.

I always thought hyperspace was a different "dimension" that mapped
to and from our space, but that it was smaller and so you could travel
between the mapped points faster.  (this is opposed to warp which is
really fast travel in our own space.)
But then I was wondering why there would be a risk of flying through a
a supernova if you left our space...

Jim Durrell
JXD132 @ PSUVM.PSU.EDU
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Subject: Re: Cliff Claven Figure
From: Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:37:01 EST
Organization: Miskatonic University

In article <joshm.720995664@crash.cts.com>, joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
says:
>
>In <1992Nov5.030739.3148@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David
>Pipgras) writes:
>
>>In <Nov.4.19.50.47.1992.22913@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
>>heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen) writes:
>
>>>907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>     Under one of the posts, someone pointed out that the guy who
>>>>plays Cliff Claven the Mailman in Cheers also had a part in TESB.  He
>>>>played the guy on Hoth that said to Leia, "I'm sorry.  We've done all we   ,
>can
>>>>but we'll have to close the shield doors."
>>>
>>>Is this for real?
>
>
>>Uhhhh. I don't think so. I just watched ESB, and he never even looked or
>>sounded like "cliff"....I will watch that again tho' keeping this in
>>mind....
>
>>
>Dave
>
>Read the cast list! And you know there's a clever reason why he doesn't
>sound like Cliff...
>
>...he's an actor.
>
>They do things like speak in accents for roles.
>(listen to David Ogden Stires lately?)
>
Or, how about:

Walter Koenig
James Doohan

If you've ever heard them speak without their Trek accents, you'd be shocked.
______
Brian Panulla                    MOOO!                      Hail Sinfonia!
bjp108@psuvm.psu.edu  /  ender@vivaldi.psu.edu  /  moocow@fubar.bk.psu.edu
(The opinions expressed above are mine alone, and do not reflect those of)
(Penn State University, or the Center for Academic Computing, so there!  )
From: yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: X-Wing simulator
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:15:50 GMT
Organization: The Tofu Society of Singapore
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61539.student.cwru.edu

In article <1dkg5lINNj0f@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>,
s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox) wrote:

> It's actually LucasArts Games.   It's got X-Wing, Y-Wing and A-Wing
> You work your way up to X-Wings, and have droids in Y and X wings
> to help you .... the first part is arcade I think, to get you to
> become profficient at it or something.  Really cool graphics it
> seems, and it was set out to beat Wing Commander is graphics and
> sound, will be a great competition between Origin and LAG.

Will there be a Macintosh version? Does anyone know?


---
The Evil Tofu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Subject: Re: THX-1138 references (was: R2D2 in Raiders)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:38:50 GMT

In <56076@dime.cs.umass.edu> padgett@inyo.caltech.edu (Deborah Padgett) writes:


>[Claim that Indiana Jones' hired plane had call letters/numbers THX1138]

>Nope - it was labelled OB-CPO.

>Debbie

I don't know if you noticed, but isn't that obvious?  Not what the call
letters/#s were, but what they mean if they were OB-CPO.  They have to be a
reference to Obi-Wan and C3PO.  What else _could_ they be?
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: WANTED: SW RADIO SHOW, EWOKS MOVIES, THANKSGIVING SPECIAL
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:47:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca's message of 7 Nov 92 17:37:03 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Nov 92 17:37:03 GMT, 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith) said:

4224_5201> I would like to have in my personal Star Wars collection
4224_5201> the following things:

4224_5201> 1. The Complete Star Wars radio show transcrpits

These will be released in the beginning of 93 sometime.

4224_5201> 2. The Star Wars Thanksgiving TV special (on VHS)

Only copies that exist are bootlegs...

4224_5201> 3. The 2 live action Ewok movies shown on TV (on VHS)

These 2 are still available on VHS and Laser Disc...
--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:54:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1df0quINNbnf@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
> In article <BxBHnp.6vE@nic.umass.edu> HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN) writes:
> 
>>C-3PO, "Who is she? She's beautiful." C-3PO then responds( more or less), "I'm
>>afraid I'm not quite sure--a person of some importances I believe, sir." What
>>gives?!? C-3PO obviously DOES know who Leia is, for in one of the first lines
>> of the movie he says, "There'll be no escape for the PRINCESS this time."
> 
> 	Okay...  How 'bout Captain Antilles was the last master of C-3PO & R2,
> 3PO knew they were transporting the Princess, but had never seen her before and
> didn't recognize her by sight (probably a bit of an oversight in programming
> for a protocol droid, but the Alliance wasn't extremely organized at the time).
> 
> 						-Jay

	This post has nothing at all to do with Ratzenberger.  Be 
careful what you followup to, and post if you have something new.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.starwars:8039 rec.arts.sf.tv:4732
From: x91newcastl1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:20:03 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov9.064003.18585@netcom.com>, lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
> The next time you watch Raiders, there is a scene beyond the one in the map
> room where I know R2D2 is present.  When the Indy and Marion characters are 
> tied to the lightpost as they open the Ark, it cuts back and forth to them,
> and during a few of the cuts there is a distinct 'head' of R2D2 on the pole.
> Anyone else seen this?  I've never read this anywhere, but just watched
> the movie one day and noticed it.  Right at the top of the pole...honest!
> 

I have not actually seen this, but I _was_ looking for R2 and 3PO in _Raiders_.
This is because in one of the "making of" childrens books (published shortly 
after Raiders was out), they pointed out little quirks that were purposely
put into Raiders--ie sense of humor.  One was (and they actually showed an
actual still shot of the wall) a wall where R2 and 3PO had had their likenesses
chisled in.   --no, this is not BS!--  the book is in my public library back
home.  If I have the time, I'll look it up the name of the book and post it,
so all of you movie trivia buffs (who, reading a starwars newsgroup? what!? :-)

	-- Bryan Newcastle

Who can't wait for the X-Wing Simulator to be released!!!!
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Zahn Novels
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:00:32 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1d4qk9INNla7@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:
> 
> 	To whoever asked for them the Zahn novels are:
> 
>         HEIR TO THE EMPIRE (published in 1991 (hardcover), '92 (paperback))
> 
> 	DARK FORCE RISING  (published in 1992 (hardcover))
> 
> 	THE LAST COMMAND   (to be published in May 1993)

	This one has been to long in coming out.  I wanna read it NOW!!!
I am not what you'd call a patient person.  :)
I have two friends dedicated to buying this book, who are less patient than I. 
If it doesn't come out pretty F***ing soon, they're gonna stop looking.  Zahn
is actually LOSING readership by waiting off so long.  I STUMBLED on the second
book after searching for a year.  He's lucky I am so persistent.  at any rate:

	BITCH BITCH BITCH  MOAN MOAN MOAN  GRIPE GRIPE GRIPE
From: dlf@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Daniel L Fabrizius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Cliff Claven Figure
Date: 4 Nov 1992 23:38:46 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In <Nov.4.19.50.47.1992.22913@gandalf.rutgers.edu> heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen) writes:

>907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:


>>	Under one of the posts, someone pointed out that the guy who 
>>plays Cliff Claven the Mailman in Cheers also had a part in TESB.  He
>>played the guy on Hoth that said to Leia, "I'm sorry.  We've done all we can, 
>>but we'll have to close the shield doors."

>Is this for real?

	There is a guy in TESB that looks like Cliff.  But when he speaks	it doesn't sound a thing like him.  I thought the same thing so I 
rewound it a couple a times.  I came to the conclusion it wasn't him
but I could be wrong.


-- 
Danny Fabrizius       dlf@ksuvm.ksu.edu      dlf@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
                   
Your life is equipped with a memory function.
This in no way should substitute for new experience.
From: meierdalepau@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE:  Star Wars, Star Trek, Star Madness!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:47:59 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

	That's why Star Wars is sometime referred to as Science-Fantasy 
rather than Science-Fiction.

Dale Meier

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