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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Wire Stories on Iran-Contra 12/28/92
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:23:16 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics,ca.politics
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <930102.28757@borges.postmodern.com>, mcb@borges.postmodern.com
(Michael C. Berch) wrote:
> 
> ...[international stuff] does not belong in {ba,ca,scruz}.politics, which
> are newsgroups for local/regional political issues.....and by posting this
> sort of thing here, which is explicitly reserved
> for other types of topics, you are simply going to annoy people.

I thought ba.politics and ca.politics were explicitly reserved for Philton
Cramzone's homophobic rantings and theoretical justifications of bigotry.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:15:17 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <13827@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>Television is the opiate of the masses today.

Like I said, right alongside religion.
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Well, even Adolph had to start at thge bottom ...
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:21:08 GMT

In article <lkjq0jINN3sq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham) writes:
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
    >This person was elected based on a platform. Was that the
    >same platform that he was using when he voted as he did in
    >the two council votes? What was his stated platform during
    >the elections?
    >
    >|> Now the essential point is that Merline is upset that her
    >views are not |> supported by a democratic process -- so she
    >tries a coercive process.
    >
    >How is the recall process that she is invoking coercive? If
    >it involves a popular vote, then her technique is democratic.


Interesting.

Now, in an imperfect world, no one of us will ever have all the facts.

BUT AT LEAST I'M POSTING USING SOME FACTS!!!

And all I get is "well, it could be this, or it could be that...".

This is a STUDENT election. Aren't faculty supposed to stay out of it?



-- 
I believe Gennifer Flowers.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Absolute Majority Rule- minority shutup (was Well, even Adolph had to start at thge bottom ...
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:16:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1993Jan5.172306.3246@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.090300.11605@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>>Now, given that the rules are of a democratic nature, one would expect
>>that no one save an idiot or a fascist would have a popularily elected
>>person (at least twice mind you -- so his platform(s) is well known)
>>be "recalled" for implementing his platform.
>
>>Now the essential point is that Merline is upset that her views are not
>>supported by a democratic process -- so she tries a coercive process.
>
>Umm, Merline is trying to get him removed by a vote of the student body,
>this is coercive.  I'm starting to get a little fuzzy on the logic here.
>
>Guido
>

Well I suppose we could leave it at- majority rules, and the minority had just
better shut up and take the medicine.  In other words, once 50+% of the people
vote someone in, the other 50-% better like it or forget it.  If they attempt
to have the person recalled then they are PC facist who are bucking the majority.

If I remember, it seems that our country is built on democratic rule, majority
can win, minority may attempt to change people's minds, and the whole system
is required to make sure that both majority and minority are protected in the
status of the rights.

Many people have been elected standing on one set of issues- then after being
elected pursuing another set of issues- and in the meantime, making an attempt
to make you believe that they are doing what you want them to.  It is called
marketing.
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Speaking ill
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:18:14 PST

In <27820@sybase.sybase.com>, Jeff Deboo writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.031006.2712@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) wri

>>When Dr. Williams, a gay specialist, warned of the dangers of promiscuity,
>>he was publicly denounced as a "momgamist" in the gay press.

>That "gay press" sure doesn't pull any punches.  It would have been
>understandable if they'd denounced him as a "monogamist", meaning an
>advocate of having sex with only one person.

>The mind reels to imagine what a "momgamist" advocates.

That reminds me of a campaign I once read about in the late 1800s.  I believe
it was a campaign for Congress in a district with few educated people.  It
seems that the challenger called the incumbent "a practicing thespian" and
that he had a brother who "engaged in celibacy."  Well, the undereducated
electorate voted the horrible thespian out of office.  Apparently, they
wanted to make sure that their elected officials didn't have connections with
anyone who practiced anything as horrible as celibacy.

Hey, if it's in the Book of Lists, it must be so...right?


Tim Irvin
******************************************************************************
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Is this wrong, or what?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:35:30 GMT
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
|> John Doe was to be arrested for child molestation. He had been molesting
|> the 14-year old daughter of one of his employees for 5 years.

"To be arrested" means "suspected" which is not the same as "guilty".
"He had been" should be "He was accused of having".

Now if he had been guilty of child molestation, I would sympathise
with your feelings.  But, the investigation seems to have been
cancelled and no trial was held, so you are only speculating.
Do you have more information that makes it plainly obvious that
the man was guilty that you haven't presented?  Did the corporation
have that same evidence?

				...jim
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:55:26 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <13764@optilink.COM>, brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
# Probably so, because a political problem typically underlies.  Most cities
# grant exclusive franchise to one cable TV delivery operator.
# 
# Political pressure against your own city's granting or renewing exclusive
# franchises might have some effect.
# 
# In newly developed areas, were not for rampant cheapness and paucity of
# imagination on the part of real estate developers and builders, it wouldn't
# be particularly difficult to lay down in advance the infrastructure to support
# multiple competing delivery systems.  Independently owned or condominium trench,

Don't blame the developers for "cheapness and paucity of imagination"
when they build a development to the status quo of America -- govern-
ment granted monopolies.  They understand how the government works,
and that is to grant monopolies whenever possible.

# Brad Yearwood   brad@optilink.com    {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
From: dosburn@cwis.unomaha.edu (Don Osburn)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: HELP with PhD vs Get-a-job
Summary: Seeking discussion on Phd vs Get-a-job
Keywords: Phd Job
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:03:05 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

I am not sure if I am posting to the correct group for this, so I will
keep it short.

I am a candidate for the M.S. in computer sci., and am struggling with
the decision of going to work and applying my acquired knowledge in
industry, or continuing on to complete my PhD.  I am a good student
with high marks, and have been told I have the aptitude to complet the
PhD, but I also really want to work in applying my skills as a
system's engineer, say.  (My interest is architecture/hardware driven.)
Discussion with the PhD faculty has left me with the feeling of, 
"..theory, theory, and then some more theory."

I would like to hear ANY comments from people on this topic.  I am 
particularly interested in hearing from other people who obtained 
their M.S. and then went to work in ANY field.  Thank you very
much in advance.  Sign me,
Confused :-?
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: adsykes@athena.mit.edu (Anthony D Sykes)
Subject: Biology Job Search
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:52:08 GMT

Does anyone know of any companies in the area 
that hire Bio/Chemistry/Bio-tech people, or how 
to go about finding them?  I live in Boston, so
it's very difficult.  Any help or ideas would be
greatly appreciated!  


-adsykes@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: ftc@netcom.com (Entropy Tech.)
Subject: Available NOW : Television/Computer Type Person
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:09:44 GMT

New to the bay area, Looking for Full time employment.

Backround :  Broadcast Television
             Master Control Operator
             Satelite Delegation / Recording
             Live News Broadcast Jobs
                  ENG
                  Studio / Remote Camera
                  Audio
                  Still Store Graphics Design and Storage
                  Studio Setup / Breakdown
                  TCR-100 & Odetics Cart Machines

             Computer Repair / Troubleshooting
             Microage Computers Of Biloxi, MS
             Simple troubleshooting and part swapping  
             Maintaining paperwork between vendor and store

             Worked with PC / PC Clone and some MAC hardware
             Some Novell, UNIX system experience ( Very basic, still learning )

Education :  2 Year Vocational School in Technical Electronics
             Honorable Discharge : USARNG - VT Radio Net Operator

Plan      :  To attend the California Recording Institute
             for a one year audio engineering program

  Refrences, Contact with previous employers and full resume
  available on request.

		Frank T. Clark
                ftc@netcom.com
                (415)-368-3544
From: pont@Apple.COM (Mark C. Pontarelli)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Mechanical Engineering Intern Positions?
Keywords: Mechanical Engineer Intern Summer Position
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:01:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


	Any information concerning possible internship positions in the
mechanical engineering world would be greatly appreciated.  

	Prior experience with defense industry research and design work.  
Currently hold government security clearance.  Focus on fluids, thermal
systems, and mechanical design.  Open to any practical and relevant 
internship positions for the June-September time frame.  Currently a senior
at the Georgia Institute of Technology.  Will be in the bay area June-Sept.

	Thanks in advance for any information or direction you might provide.
I can be reached in care of the address "pont@apple.com" or at the 
address "gt1149b@hydra.gatech.edu".  Thanks again.

Kim Kerins
Georgia Institute of Technology
From: wamacher@infoserv.com (Wayne E. Amacher)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: TEST ENGINEER NEEDED AT T-COM
Keywords: JOBS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:52:17 PST
Distribution: WORLD
Organization: Amacher Enterprises, Sunnyvale, CA

TEST ENGINEER NEEDED

T-COM, a PCM communications test instrument manufacturer, is 
looking for a manufacturing test engineer to develop test 
programs, test systems, and procedures used in the qualification 
of PCB assemblies and instruments.  Preference will be given to a 
degreed EE with 3 to 5 years experience in a similar position, 
capable of writing in C or BASIC.  DOS/PC test system control 
experience is required.  PCM communication experience is a plus.

In addition to attractive benefits and compensation, T_COM 
offers, in a small company environment, the opportunity to work 
on state of the art communication technology.

Send your resume to:

Personnel Manager, Dept. E
T-COM Corporation 
P O Box 391506
Mountain View, CA 39039

If you feel you are absolutely qualified, email your cover letter 
and resume to wamacher@infoserv.com, ascii text files only.

Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,us.jobs.resumes,us.jobs.misc
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Jobhunt over|
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 09:44:19 PST

It is possible to find a job in this day and time| I did it so,
to all of you still looking... Hang in there|

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~          o                                          ~
~     \\    o              Tamara Johnson             ~
~ |\/   o\  o    lj03933@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com   ~
~  >      <o     ^                                ^   ~
~ |/\    /       ___(only til Jan 15)____________   ~
~     //                                              ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: tli@skat.usc.edu (Tony Li)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: HELP with PhD vs Get-a-job
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:21:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu
Keywords: Phd Job

In article <dosburn.726505385@cwis> dosburn@cwis.unomaha.edu (Don
Osburn) writes: 
    
    I am a candidate for the M.S. in computer sci., and am struggling with
    the decision of going to work and applying my acquired knowledge in
    industry, or continuing on to complete my PhD.  

Don,

_DON'T DO IT_

I give you this advice with the full understanding that if you're crazy
enough to do a Ph.D., you won't listen to me anyhow...  ;-)

Tony
-- 
abyss \*-'bis\ n 
  1 : the bottomless gulf, pit, or chaos of the old cosmogonies  2 a : an 
  immeasurably deep gulf or great space  b : intellectual or spiritual 
  profundity; also : vast moral depravity 3 a Border Intermediate System
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: HELP with PhD vs Get-a-job
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:14:01 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhambra.pa.dec.com
Keywords: Phd Job

In article <dosburn.726505385@cwis>, dosburn@cwis.unomaha.edu (Don Osburn) writes:
|> I am a candidate for the M.S. in computer sci., and am struggling with
|> the decision of going to work and applying my acquired knowledge in
|> industry, or continuing on to complete my PhD.

Since you posted this to a jobs newsgroup, I assume that you're asking about
the affect of the degree on your career.

A Ph.D. is appropriate for careers in teaching, research, and consulting.  If
that's what you want to do, then go ahead and get the Ph.D.  A Ph.D. is often
required for these jobs and even when it is not, it really helps.

If you're planning on going into development, then skip the Ph.D.  It may
hinder, rather than help, you find a job.  Many industrial types consider
Ph.D. types to be to "ivory tower" for practical implementation work.

Of course, you also have to weigh the time and financial cost of obtaining a
Ph.D. vs. the intellectual rewards.  This must be a personal decision, as
different people will value these differently.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ba.forsale,us.jobs.misc,us.forsale.misc
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: SF Bay Area Jobshops
Followup-To: poster
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:08:29 GMT



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From: celeste@xs.com (Celeste Stokely)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Network Wiring jobs?
Summary: looking for wiring apprentice work
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:16:13 GMT
Organization: Expert Support Inc., Mountain View, CA

I have a friend who has shown an incredible aptitude for physical-layer
networking and telephony, and I would like to help him steer his career in
that direction. I want to help him find work with a small wiring design and
installation company, but don't know of any to recommend in the Bay Area.

During a network installation at one of my client sites, we taught him to
make thinnet cables, and some of the basics of installation. He took to it
like a fish to water! I was impressed by his energy, enthusiasm, and
willingness to crawl in the ceiling without complaint. ;-)

He has been taking some Unix System Administration courses, but seems far
more hardware-minded than software-minded.

If you know of a wiring company that might take him on as an apprentice
and mentor him appropriately, please let me know.

Many thanks,

..Celeste Stokely
Program Mgr for Unix Systems Administration Consulting, Expert Support Inc.
EMAIL:     celeste@xs.com
VOICE:     415-967-6898       FAX: 415-493-3208
USMAIL:    Expert Support, Inc./ 211 Thompson Sq. / Mountain View CA 94043
From: sudharta@usc.edu (Hindarman D. Sudharta)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: THANKS TO J.W. SMITH & Paul WONG for Re:Help-me-find-a-job DEAL
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:39:54 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

My thanks to the following people who has tried to help me in
finding a job:
J.W. Smith
  and
Paul T. Wong 

Unfortunately, I cannot send a private mail to them since my account
has already expired and I lost their addresses (my sysadmin didn't give
me warning before deleting the entire contents of my account).
Again, thank you for all of your help.

Sincerely,
Fredy Tan
Xref: sparky ba.jobs.misc:586 misc.jobs.misc:8561 alt.business.multi-level:726
From: murrays@Tymnet.COM (Scott Murray)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.misc,alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Work at Home??
Keywords: Work at Home
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:24:36 GMT
Followup-To: ba.jobs.misc
Organization: BT North America, San Jose CA.

Hi Everyone,

I keep seeing these ads for making $$$ by working at
home. There normally reading books or assembling
something. They all offer a list of companies that
are hiring, for a small deposit of $20-50.
Has anyone gotten one of these lists and are they
worth the time. I'm only intrested in part time work
at home for some extra spending $$.

Thanks for any info

Scott
From: austria@spectrx.saigon.com (henry r. linneweh)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Position Wanted.Sr. Cadnetix(DAZIX) PCB Designer.
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:55:27 GMT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

Hi I'm available. Call me at 408-258-3485 for resume and
details. Location no problem. Seeking permanent slot.
Sun network environment. 15 years hands on CAD experience
7.6 years Cadnetix experience. Certified systems only.
Thanks.

--
austria@spectrx.saigon.com (henry r. linneweh)
SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005  Silicon Valley, Ca
From: rob.weaver@eabbs.uucp (Rob Weaver) 
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
Subject: Release Control Manag 3/4
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Easy Access BBS - San Ramon CA - 510-829-7627
Reply-To: rob.weaver@eabbs.uucp (Rob Weaver) 

(Continued from previous message)

===============================================================================

                            E D U C A T I O N
                            =================

1992    Century Analysis Inc., Pacheco. CL/7 Communication programming
        Language programming class. Unix application animation driver.

1992    Hughes LAN Systems, Mountain View. 9100 MONET installation
        and operation class. Covering Network management & SNMP
        protocol.

1991    HBO & Company, San Mateo. KBase SQL database class.

1990    Hughes LAN Systems, Santa Clara. Terminal Server operation 
        and administration class. 9100 Network management center 
        class. Internetworking products (bridges and routers).

1990    Sybase Incorporated, San Francisco. SQL database solutions 
        seminar.

1990    Dataease International, San Francisco. Database development 
        seminar.

1988    HBO & Company, Florida. Decision Support National User's 
        conference.

1984    Fred Pryor Seminars, Fresno. Management skills for the
        technical person in a leadership role.

1984    Century Analysis Incorporated, Pacheco. MBASE/9 database 
        class.

1983    NCR Educational Facility, Dayton. UNIX Operating system, 
        Tower system administration, and "C" programming language.

1983    ESPI, Virden. PLUS/4 database school with Larry Potter.

1981    Century Analysis Incorporated, Pacheco. BOSS/3 TP monitor 
        class.

1980    NCR Educational Facility, Los Angeles. VRX Problem Solving
        Techniques class.

1979    California Academy of Drafting, Santa Clara. Technical
        Drafting.

1975    West Valley College, Saratoga. General education classes,
        with emphasis on science and mathematics.

(Continued to next message)
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Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered,us.jobs.offered
From: dix_barbara@tandem.com (Barbara Dix)
Subject: Senior Manufacturing Support Engineer at Tandem in Cupertino
Followup-To: ba.jobs.offered
Organization: Tandem Computers in CUPERTINO
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:32:44 GMT

Tandem Computers, Inc. is a leading supplier of online transaction 
processing systems  and networks,fault-tolerant computer systems, 
and enterprise networks. Customers in finance, manufacturing,
telecommunications, retail, heath-care, and government use Tandem 
NonStop systems to process and record high volumes of business 
transactions minute-by-minute. 

JOB TITLE:

Manufacturing Support Engineer

RESPONSIBILITIES:

-  Technical support of CAE generated part fabrication data files.
This includes both mechanical parts as well as printed wiring 
board parts.

- Spec Design Rule Checker programs that can be used to 
audit these files to insure design compliance with 
Manufacturing design rules.

- Keeping a UNIX workstation operational on the Tandem
network.

- Communicating with LAN and WAN managers will be required
as well as communicating with suppliers that use the CAE 
generated data files to fabricate parts for Tandem.

EDUCATION/EXPERIENCE:

- BS degree that included formal computer programming
course work.

- UNIX experience preferred.  Programming experience
preferred.   1 to 4 years experience in a computer 
manufacturing environment is desirable.

PLEASE FAX YOUR RESUME IN COMPLETE CONFIDENCE TO 
MELISSA FINDER AT (408) 285-4324.