HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: silaba@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Togar Arifin Silaban)
Subject: Re: JESUS HAS DIED - *
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:58:50 GMT


He is not an Indonesian, I know exactly the Indonesian students in
Winnipeg, Canada.  I don't know him; this guy wants to destroy this
newsgroup. Be careful.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Computer Networks in Indonesia FAQ
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:01:59 GMT


Frequently Asked Questions on Computer Networks in Indonesia
============================================================
Version: 1.0.1
Last updated: October 28, 1992

This document attempts to answer questions regarding computer 
networks in Indonesia. Due to the limitted information, this 
information maybe outdated or inaccurate.
Any comments or corrections should be directed to:

Budi Rahardjo <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca>
Electrical and Computer Engineering Dept.
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
R3T 2N2


--
Question (Q): Is there an Internet connection in Indonesia ?

Answer (A): Not that I know. There is a UUCP connection between UUNET 
and The University of Indonesia. Since the connection is expensive,
the access is limitted to several University staff only. The UUCP 
connection is extended to include BPPT, ITB (PAU - Mikroelektronika
Bandung), LAPAN and UI. There is a plan to connect STTTelkom.
Access to general public is not available (yet!).


--
Q: Who is the contact person in Indonesia
A: Rahmat M. Samik Ibrahim
   Network Manager
   Department of Computer Science
   University of Indonesia
   PO Box 3442 Jakarta 10002
   Voice : +62-21-727 0162
   Fax   : +62-21-310 2774
   E-mail: uunet.uu.net!indogtw!uidcs!ogah!ibrahim

   You may also contact: uunet.uu.net!indogtw!postmaster

--
Q: Who is the contact person oustide Indonesia
A: There is no official contact person outside Indonesia, but
   if you really need a contact :
1. Budi Rahardjo <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca>
2. Onno W Purbo <owpurbo@norton.uwaterloo.ca>

--
Q: How do I send an e-mail ? What address should I use ?
A: Usually the address is in the form of (bang path) :
     uunet.uu.net!indogtw!userid
     or
     userid%indogtw@uunet.uu.net
     or even
     uunet.uu.net!indogtw!hostname!userid
Before sending e-mail you have to remember that they have to pay 
the connection. It's expensive.

--
Q: Is there a public access UNIX ?
A: There is a UNIX user group called /usr/indonix. There is a
plan to use indogtw as a forwarder.

   /usr/indonix
   Indonesia Unix User Group
   Jl. Musi 41. Jakarta 10150
   Phone: (021)3846234, 3846749
   Fax: 62-21-372605, 5603672
   Telex: 46792 ARIA IA


--
Q: Is Usenet news available there ?
A: Partial Usenet news is available to members of the UUCP 
network. It is still expensive.

--
Q: What is '.id' domain ?
A: This is supposed to be the top domain for Indonesia. Although 
it's there, we haven't registered it yet. [We are working on it].
--
Budi Rahardjo
<rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>      <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca> 
Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: maulana@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (exit)
Subject: Re: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 21:45:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.160928.21584@cs.ruu.nl>, wishnu@cs.ruu.nl (Wishnu Prasetya) writes:
> >  Agree! I do believe that we need more democratic system to le the people
> >  participate in controlling the government.
> 
> Democracy is fine to have indeed. Admiting democracy in the
> constitution is not enough because in practice, just like anything
> else about the modern way of governing, it requires political and
> cultural maturity. Without maturity, people are likely to abuse the
> system, so we are back where we start.
  People can be mature if they learn. They have to learn  by experience (by
  practicing democracy), not just reading a book, because it is the case of
  mentality.

> 
> Indeed, initiative must be taken to hinder corruption, or more
> generally, to improve the effectiveness of our government. We can
> introduce more laws, yes, and even reorganize here and there, Justice
  Our 'Bapaks' in Jakarta have done a lot in reorganizing here and there.
  But how we can let the people in  birocracy know that they  fail in doing their
  task, for example? Therefore,  I believe, we need political control.  

> Department or whatever. BUT, I believe despite all these kind of noble
> steps the deciding factor will be the cultural maturity of the people
> itself.
  Agree! And to achieve cultural maturity we have to learn by practicing
  democracy.

   Wis sak mene disik!
===========================================================================
Dicari: Sarjana Teknik Mesin Universitas Brawijaya (Angk'84), asal: Lumajang,
Sekarang belajar di Jepang, Pegawai LAPAN, 
Namanya: NURACHMAD.
From: arusydi@suvm.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Kasus kosakata 'imil'
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:08:23 -0500

Terutama untuk Sin-Sun. Saya tembuskan imil di bawah ini.
Semoga bermanfaat. Lho, koq Sin-Sun sendiri nggak pernah berbahasa
Indonesia jika menjawab atau menanggapi imil kepada dia yang berbahasa
Indonesia (maksudnya dia lebih MENGUTAMAKAN bahasa Inggris)? Koq aneh mas.
Saya sendiri merasa diperkosa oleh Sin-Sun karena dia SELALU berbahasa
Inggris dalam mendiskusikan kosakata 'imil' dalam bahasa Indonesia dengan
orang-orang Indonesia termasuk saya. Saya menjadi penasaran nih. Barangkali
teka-teki ini akan terjawab manakala Sin-Sun sendiri berusaha menanggapi
dalam tulisan berbahasa Indonesia. Hey, Sin-Sun mana bahasa Indonesiamu.
Bahasa tercintamu. Buktikan jika anda juga fasih berbahasa Indonesia yang
baik dan benar. Jangan khawatirlah, "tak ada gading yang tak retak."
Itu lebih baik dari pada "tok kosong nyaring bunyinya." :-) :-) :-)
AR.

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Message-Id:   <9301041320.AA29745@cpicvx>
Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:20:06 WIB
>From: Nismah Rumzy <lhdsy1!natasha!cpicvx!cshnr@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Kasus kosakata 'imil'/Re: Untuk latihan ...

Susah sekali sekarang kita untuk menterjemahkan semua bahasa Inggris ke bahasa
Indonesia, jadi walaupun telah ada bahasa Indonesianya seperti perangkat lunak,
perangkat keras, dst. nya kita masih tetap menggunakan Software, Hardware, dan
kalau kita lihat kata television umpamanya berubah:
menjadi : televisi
        : TV
        : tivi
Jadi kata electronic mail:
menjadi : IMEL atau
          IEM
          IMIL

apakah nanti yang akan populer terserah kepada perkembangannya.

Terima kasih dan maaf untuk nimbrung.

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From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Gaji Pegawai Negeri
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 00:08:18 -0500


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Message-Id:   <PBDLIST%93010709173368@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:16:00 EST
Reply-To: Indonesian Development Studies - Network <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
>From: EKUNCOR@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Pidato RAPBN Presiden
To: Multiple recipients of list PBDLIST <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Rekan-rekan PBDLIST yang budiman,
Berikut ini saya kirimkan berita yang saya pantau
dari siaran BBC London  pukul 8 am EST.
Dari tanah air diberitakan bahwa dalam pidato
RAPBN, Bapak Presiden mengatakan bahwa struktur
gaji pegawai negeri akan diperbaiki.
Pegawai golongan I dan II dinaikan gajinya
sebesar 18%, untuk golongan III dan IV
akan mengalami kenaikan sebesar 12% dari gaji
pokok.  Sementara itu harga bahan bakar minyak (BBM)
akan mengalami kenaikan  dikarenakan dihapuskannya
subsidi untuk BBM.
Demikian berita dari tanah air.
Salam hangat dari Clemson,
Endo A Kuncoro.


- ------- End of Forwarded Message
From: rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: cuplikan Tempo
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:02:02 GMT


Majalah:	Tempo
Edisi:		26 Desember 1992
Daftar Isi:
*	Laporan Utama: Akhir krisis Bank Suma
	Likuidasi Bank Suma menciptakan masalah baru. Jika dalam waktu
	satu bulan tidak terbentuk tim likuidator, masalah ini akan 
	diserahkan ke kejaksaan. Dan Prajogo Pangestu akan menjadi
	pemilik (baru) Astra.
*	Nasional: Bencana Flores
	Bencana ini ternyata lebih dahsyat dari perang Vietnam.
	Kerugian ditaksir 200 milyar, kondisi menjadi seperti awal Pelita I.
	Korban yang tewas > 2400, 18000 rumah hancur, 113 sekolah, 211 kantor,
	120 tempat ibadah.

Edisi:		2 Januari 1993
Daftar Isi:
*	Laporan Utama: Kilas Balik & Prospek 1993
	Maumere diambrukkan gempa, rakyat yang lapar di Somali,
	pembasmian etnik di Bosnia, dan banyak peristiwa lain yang
	terjadi disekeliling kita di sepanjang 1992. Sejumlah tokoh
	menulis atau memberikan wawancara.
*	Laporan Utama: Prospek 1993
	Wawancara Rudini: Ia bicara proses demokratisasi, pemilihan
	gubenur, sampai kriteria wapres.
*	Yang meninggal selama 1992
	Sanento Yuliman (51), Prof Herman Johannes (80), Anang Adenansi (54),
	Alfian (52), Daryatmo (67), Soebekti (78), Masjkur (94), Martono (67).
*	Nasional: Ada Hambatan Menyalurkan Bantuan (Flores)
	Maumere masih menjadi kota tenda. Suasana kota mulai ada napasnya.
	Bantuan yang terkumpul dari dalam negeri sekitar Rp. 2.2 milyar,
	dan luar negeri Rp. 5 milyar. Penyaluran bantuan ke desa-desa ada
	hambatan, jadi terkesan kurang merata.
	
---\n\t Rahmat M. Samik Ibrahim, the Simple Network Manager Person (SNMP) \n
---\t\t Department   of   Computer  Science  -  University  of  Indonesia \n
--
Budi Rahardjo
<rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>      <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca> 
Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: an1600@anon.penet.fi (homeless)
Subject: Re: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:31:37 GMT


> Democracy is fine to have indeed. Admiting democracy in the
> constitution is not enough because in practice, just like anything
> else about the modern way of governing, it requires political and
> cultural maturity. Without maturity, people are likely to abuse the
> system, so we are back where we start.
>
> Indeed, initiative must be taken to hinder corruption, or more
> generally, to improve the effectiveness of our government. We can
> introduce more laws, yes, and even reorganize here and there, Justice
> Department or whatever. BUT, I believe despite all these kind of noble
> steps the deciding factor will be the cultural maturity of the people
> itself.
>
I 'm sorry 'couse I do not really understand what kind of democracy you are 
here talking about ?. Do you expected that Indonesia needs democracy as 
America has. Please my friend, see what is happenning now in the 
Russian Federation (Ex USSR) and Yugoslavia. I am afraid that something like
those horrible things might be happen in Indonesia. 
Am I expecting to much ?.

> If Railroad is public service, it cannot be profitable. So I don't
> think private will likely to invest there. The State can. But
> corrupted as it is, the State will have lesser capacity to build   
> railroad while privates increase in wealth to build more shopping
> centres if that suits their amusement.
>
The money that are used by private sector are not a corrupted one, so
what has business man to do with corruption. Do they wrong if they built
shopping centre and golf field ?.
Ofcourse I do agree with you that the cost of building a rail road
will be higher than it should be due to corruption. That is way corruption
bothering the country. 
Does the govt. have enough money to provide more public services, alike 
rail road ?, if not than increase the taxes for the rich one and cease
corruption, and ofcouse bring corruptor to the court and give them heavy
penalty.

> Look at Jakarta. It is crowded with modern buildings, shopping
> centres, office centres, anything. In terms of physical progress,
> Jakarta has achieved much. 
Those things are really needed for Jakarta, since the high ground prices.
Problem (?) as  modern buildings, shopping
> centres, office centres, anything, etc,  you may find in all big city.

Can we now talk about how to solve corruption, not the effect of corruption ?

thank you
		    
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From: wishnu@cs.ruu.nl (Wishnu Prasetya)
Subject: Re: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:52:28 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

>Do you agree with me that the most amount of money, which are corrupted
>are enjoyed only by a small number of high rank person, don't you ?

Two vultures eat more than eight canaries, sounds logical. But if you
think a new crown will make a good king, I'm afraid you make a faulty
assumption. 

>As you mentioned above that corruption has became a part of 
>the culture of the country, it is very difficult to end up the
>corruption, indeed.
>
>So let us now discuss how can the corruption (commission) happen
>in the (un)developing country, then maybe we can find out the
>best sollution. But it is still strange to me that if indeed 
>the corruption has became a part of the culture, then how can 
>you explain that Ina has the most economic growth in the world ?.

I believe it is to blame to the unreadiness of the culture to accept
the modern way of governing. For centuries we have living under
feudalism. So was Europe once, indeed. But while europe managed to
develop, we stayed where we were. People were poor, and culturally
unpreapared for global and long term thinking. After the independence,
and especially after the great economic lift off in the year 70, the
sudden and extreme opening in opportunities proved to be too tempting
for many.

A country with high corruption can still have an impresive economic
growth. The money, corrupted or not, will keep circulating. But
government will have a lesser control on the circulation. So for
example there may be more golf fields built than railroad. Also it
will cost more for the government to, say, maintain a school. In the
extreme case, the government will eventually go bankrupt.

Solution? I would say: put imense money on education. 

-Jade-
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Pedoman Umum Pembentukan Istilah
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 21:45:47 -0500

Rekan-rekan yang budiman, a.w.:

Di bawah ini adalah info ttg "Pedoman Umum Pembentukan Istilah."
Semoga bermanfaat.

wassalam,
-wien

+++ start of forwarded msg +++

Message-Id:   <PBDLIST%93010618464624@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:43:00 MST
Reply-To: Indonesian Development Studies - Network <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
>From: Suhartono <SUH@NAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Buku tentang kosakata
To: Multiple recipients of list PBDLIST <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Teman-teman Pecinta Bahasa Indonesia,
        Saya mendapatkan buku yang membahas kosakata dan pembentukan
istilah. Buku tersebut dikeluarkan oleh Pusat Pembinaan dan Pengembangan
Bahasa, Departemen Pendidikan dan Kebudayaan. Judul buku tersebut adalah
        PEDOMAN UMUM PEMBENTUKAN ISTILAH
(Edisi kedua berdasarkan Keputusan Menteri Pendidikan dan Kebudayaan
 Republik Indonesia, Nomor 0389/U/1988, tanggal 11 Agustus 1988).
Penerbitnya Balai Pustaka, Jakarta 1989.
        Buku setebal 62 halaman ini dijual di toko-toko buku di Indonesia.
Selamat mencari buku tersebut.
Selamat menelpon teman di Indonesia untuk membawanya.
Maaf ya, Toko Buku Suhartono tidak melayani fotokopi.
Salam dari Flagstaff
-suhartono-

+++ end of forwarded +++
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: wishnu@cs.ruu.nl (Wishnu Prasetya)
Subject: Re: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:09:28 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

>  Agree! I do believe that we need more democratic system to le the people
>  participate in controlling the government.

Democracy is fine to have indeed. Admiting democracy in the
constitution is not enough because in practice, just like anything
else about the modern way of governing, it requires political and
cultural maturity. Without maturity, people are likely to abuse the
system, so we are back where we start.

Indeed, initiative must be taken to hinder corruption, or more
generally, to improve the effectiveness of our government. We can
introduce more laws, yes, and even reorganize here and there, Justice
Department or whatever. BUT, I believe despite all these kind of noble
steps the deciding factor will be the cultural maturity of the people
itself.

Look at Jakarta. It is crowded with modern buildings, shopping
centres, office centres, anything. In terms of physical progress,
Jakarta has achieved much. But look at the mentality. It does not
match the wealth. People does not bother to plan ahead, to make the
city not only a place to dig money, but also a place pleasant and
meaningful to live. It is a rot apple. Impresive at the surface, but
sadly broken inside.

So it is too at the country level. We can regulate or deregulate like
madmen, but I say it is our own quality as people that will decide
finally.

>> > A country with high corruption can still have an impresive economic
>> > growth. The money, corrupted or not, will keep circulating. But
>> > government will have a lesser control on the circulation.
>> Correct !
>  The money would always circulate, but only inside the small group.

No it will circulate across the country, really. Well, assuming people
are decent enough as not to pipe all the money abroad. If you corrupt
1 billion USS, I don't think you will pile all your money under your
bed. Not that you can't do that, but such is not the most profitable
way of being a corruptor. No, you will buy houses, cars, invest your
money in Semen Cibininong or whatever, and save the rest in the bank.
See, they money circulates!

No, the problem with the corruption is, by way of speaking, it will
cost us, the people, twice more to build rail road than is necessary.

>   We have to wonder not about the money, but why the public service can not be
>   better. Can't the railroad make profit? More people need it than golf field.

If Railroad is public service, it cannot be profitable. So I don't
think private will likely to invest there. The State can. But
corrupted as it is, the State will have lesser capacity to build
railroad while privates increase in wealth to build more shopping
centres if that suits their amusement.

- Jade -
From: alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Indonesian Language Teacher wanted
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:06:02 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu

I am looking for a Indonesian language teacher in the Los Angeles area.
Does anyone have any pointers or suggestions about learning bahasa
Indonesia? Thanks for your help.

Bill Alves
(213)740-8817
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Welcome to alt.culture.indonesia [regular posting]
Keywords: welcome
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:36:58 GMT

In article <C07BGw.HEn@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
[...]
> 
> Strange enough a.c.i. could also mean 'Aku Cinta Indonesia'
> [I love Indonesia].  :-)
> 
Yet another strange thing,
Someday when soc.culture.indonesia exists, we have:
'Saya Cinta Indonesia'.
[exactly the same meaning]


> Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
> 
Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: jimmyt@cs.tamu.edu (Jimmy Tirtawangsa)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: JESUS HAS DIED - *
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:57:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan10.233901.46285@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>A TYPO...
>> NB. Out of curiousity, is the poster an Indonesian ? Or not ?
If you checked the header, the poster sent his articles to several newsgroups
at the same time.
Your comment might be useless as he might not read your reply.
It's better to send your reply directly to sender, and possibly, a note of 
this case to soc.religion.islam.

jimmy

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: prawiro@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Edy Soesanto Prawirohardjo)
Subject: Network in Indonesia
Keywords: network
Originator: prawiro@odin.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de
Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:18:12 GMT


hi all,
Saya membutuhkan informasi tentang perkembangan Computer-Network di Indone-
sia. Bila kalian mempunyai informasi yang aktual, saya mohon untuk
kirim kabar itu melalui news atau langsung memalui e-mail

	prawiro@dbs.informatik.uni-muenchen.de
	root@dbs.informatik.uni-muenchen.de
	prawiro@informatik.uni-muenchen.de
	root@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de

Saya ucapkan terima kasih untuk informasinya



salam


edy
 


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: soewito@infonode.ingr.com (Freddie Soewito)
Subject: Re: Kosakata 'imil'
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:25:53 GMT

In article <93Jan4.054848est.10101@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca> mrubyono@suvm.syr.edu writes:
>Lagi, khususnya buat bung Sin.

Bung Mbruyono, siapa sih yang namanya bung Sin?  Saya baru saja ikut lagi
a.c.i jadi kurang tahu siapa yang siapa itu lho.

>Dalam diskusi kosakata 'imil,' nampaknya anda lebih suka bersandar

Ini "imil" yang sebetulnya e-mail dan dibaca imel yah?  Yang karena nggak
bisa baca yang benar, "mail" dibaca mil.  Nanti "electronic" bisa dibaca
nya ilitereit dong. :)  Atau "mailing-list" dibaca stupid.  Atau "computer"
nanti dibaca ful.  Mustinya terjemahan anda dikirim ke
rec.humor.funny.cannot.read.english newsgroup.  Mungkin lebih lucu.

>Jadi sebaiknya, jika anda tak suka kosakata 'imil,' maka sebaiknya
>anda tak usah peduli saja. Dan yang secara sopan-santun ketimuran,
>anda tak perlu pula menuduh seseorang adalah pemerkosa bahasa. Atau
>saya baca bahwa anda juga secara tidak relevan menyinggung suatu nama
>miling-lis tertentu atau apa pun yang sama sekali tidak berkaitan
>dengan kosakata 'imil.'

Omong, omong istilah Ngemil-ngemilan lebih dibahas di Janus, coba deh anda
yang ber-bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar mengikutinya di Janus.  Dan
secara sopan-santun ketimuran, saya rasa setiap ada perbedaan pendapat
bukannya harus di gebugin habis-habisan, tapi sebaiknya di beri kesempatan
untuk berkembang.  Itu yang di Janus oleh Andlipat Sedeng Bencana dari
UMich, dipanggil kemerdekaan intelektual.

>Jika anda gemar mengeritik orang lain,
>tentunya anda juga siap dikritik.

Betul, kalau cuma bisanya menggebugi orang yang tidak setuju dengan anda,
atau germo anda, wah nggak usah jauh-jauh belajar di toronto.  Dimana-mana
juga begitu, rame-rame keroyokan aja.  Lantas kalau secara seenak udelnya
nuduh orang laing yang bukan-bukan dan, merasa dirinya yang membuat pahala
sebesar-besarnya karena ikut forward beberapa surat ke mailing-list
lainnya.  Secara sepihak, tanpa alasan, mengkaraterisasi seseorang secara
negatif, itu apa yang disebut orang terpelajar?

Tapi tentu saja anda itu terpelajar, seorang yang dewasa, jadi anda itu
tidak seperti apa yang saya bilang diatas.  Saya yakin anda itu seorang
yang berpendidikan tinggi baik moral dan spiritual dan intelektual, jadi
paragraph sebelumnya tidak berlaku untuk anda.

Salam.
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<^_^>				Freddy Soewito; soewito@infonode.ingr.COM
*---Disclaimer:
None of the opinions represents the view of Intergraph Corporation in anyway.
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Whoever fights monster should see to it
	that in the process he does not become a monster.
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