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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:37:01 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Sep3.153207.13284@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> In article <mykes.0dar@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >Since that Dell comes with Win 3.1 and DOS 5 factory installed, more means
> >the standard windows applications/accessories that come with - including term
> >program, audio digitizing software, midi player, prowrite caliber WP program,
> >etc.
> >
> >What can you do with an Amiga right out of the box?  Not much.  You can
> >edit text files with andy finkel's EMacs (if it's still part of the OS
> >distribution)...
>
> Hang on there a second.  You can also type "say" at the shell prompt and
> have the Amiga talk to you.  You can change the colors, fonts, screen modes,
> pointer, printer drivers, etc.  You can format a floppy, copy a disk, change
> the date and time, edit an icon, render some new fonts, start bunches of
> clocks, and all sorts of other neat things.  Who could ask for anything
> more?  :-)
>

I have said this many times before...  The engineers at CBM are too wrapped
up in making the OS the only application for the machine.  If they spent 5%
of their resources making a REAL application, like Windows Write or Term 2.2,
or AmigaUUCP (and GRn :), they'd learn quickly what their theoretical OS
knowledge was lacking in terms of application support.  Good ideas in an OS
don't make a machine good enough to use for application work.  Good features
to support applications make the machine good enough to use for applications
work.

And on top if it, they COULD have some useful things for the Amiga to do
right out of the box, even if it were just to use a modem to call someplace
to download stuff from the fish disks.  But compared to the more popular OSes,
AmigaOS comes with nada.

> >> Skip Sauls
> >> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
> >--
> >Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
> >Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
> >Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
> >1124 Fremont Ave.
> >Los Altos, CA 94024
>
> Skip Sauls
> skip@tacky.cs.olemis.edu

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (place your name between the quote marks, please)
Subject: Re: FINALLY!  THE MARC BARRETT POSTING TRANSLATOR!!!
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:09:30 GMT

In article <9209131936.AA29019@teetot.acusd.edu> gs@TEETOT.ACUSD.EDU (Greg Simon) writes:
>
>Has anyone successfully compiled the Marc Barrett flame-program?

I did. Fantastic! :-)

>Has it been sent to Fred Fish for inclusion in his library?  It is a
>good example of code-writing techniques :-)

Agreed.

> -Greg

Dariusz Bolski :-)
-- 
Dariusz Bolski     Ohio Supercomputer Center, IBM POWER Visualization System
Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:11:25 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <copes.716442907@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
> Peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> (stuff deleted)
> >It is. The Mac II and IBM SVGA systems are still slower than the Amiga even
> >in Mono. And it doesn't have anything to do with the hardware. It's the
> >software. The Amiga system software is simply more efficient.

> AmigaDOS is very efficient.  All those people who want resource tracking and
> memory protection, you will slug AmigaDOS up, turning it into OS/2.

Not so. You can have a VERY efficient system with resource tracking and memory
protection. There are real-time OSes out there that run like AmigaOS with
all these tricks. VM is tougher, but if it's optional on a per-process basis
it's fine. What clog up Macs and PeeCees is years of forced backwards
compatibility to some really STOOPID system software. 

> Yes, and Unix people are looking at amigados for inspiration.

Unfortunately, no. They're not. They're looking at NT with terror in their
eyes... because NT is a screaming horror from the sewers of hell, but it's
got MARKETING MUSCLE. I'm quivering with fear that in 5 years I'll have to
work with it.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`
From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 6 Sep 1992 02:40:58 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:

>>But let's face it -- interlaced video is bad for the eyes, the fact that it
>>facilitates video work is irrelevant.

>Face it, you don't need what interlaced means. You think interlace=flicker,

I don't merely "think" interlace => flicker, my experience tells me so.

>this is not true. The Amiga generates an 25Hz (PAL) or 30HZ (NTSC) framerate
>in its interlace mode. _This_ flickers. But the interlace _reduces_ flicker.
>If you could see a _non-interlaced_ 25 or 30Hz display you would know that.

WHAT?!?!  Interlacing reduces flicker?  That's a new one to me.  My under-
standing is that when the display is interlaced, every other scan line is
drawn in one vertical refesh cycle, the other half scan lines are drawn in
the next refresh cycle.  So an interlaced display at 80 Hz is actually
equal to a non-interlaced display at 40 Hz.  How do you explain that inter-
lacing reduces flicker?

No I've never seen a non-interlaced 25 or 30 Hz display, but I have seen a
60 Hz non-interlace display and a 60 Hz interlaced display (both at 800x
600), the answer is obvious to me.

>>>nobody in the PC market had ever heard of interlacing.

>Ha. Many SVGA cards (admitted not the latest) will use interlace for
>1024x768.

Watch the attributions, I didn't made that statement.  In fact, I did
mention (in lines you deleted) that some SVGA cards only support inter-
laced displays at high resolution.

>>Idealy, interlaced video mode should only be used when doing video work,
>>all other times it'll just put unnecessary strains on the eyes.

>As interlace reduces flicker this can't be true.

Explain how the flicker-fixer works.  Something about doubling the vertical
scan rate on all video outputs?

-- Nan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:45:33 GMT

>>	For the same price, Gateway 2000 has an EISA 486 50mhz system with
>>  32 bit SCSI controller and 340meg SCSI HD.  More ram ( 2meg ).  System is
>>  a Tower version, not desktop.  Hicolor SVGA graphics card that offers 
>>  higher resolution.
>
>   The functionality isn't the same. The plain and simple fact is that I can
>do things with AmigaDOS that I can't do with Windows 3.1 or MS-DOS 5.0. And
>the OS of the Amiga is no small factor in comparisons.

	Ok, I forgot to add OS/2 2.0 for 79.95.

							G.Greene


>Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 
>All opinions expressed are my own.          Internet: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Distribution: world
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:39:29 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Thu  3 Sep 92 18:16, Das9674@usl.edu (stephenson Daniel 
wrote:

>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

 DD> What IS 'Via DLG Pro..' ????

 DD> -- 
 DD> Dan Stephenson                                          
 DD> das9674@usl.edu
 DD> " BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES
 DD> BUSH! "
 DD>         -George Bush, '92 Republican nomination acceptance speech


DLG Professional is the name of the software that I a using to read and
post to this newsgroup. It is an Amiga bulletin board system based on the
concept of a multitasking disk-based operating system. It is like an
extention of AmigaDOS. My system is interfaced with Matt Dillon's UUCP
package which in turn is used to connect into UseNet through the local
University system.

Via means "by way of"

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:24:13 GMT

In article <1624@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>   Really? How could they possibly? SAS makes the compilers CBM use, and
> CBM has nothing to do with the actual development.

There are other compiler vendors. Personally, I'd like to be able to buy
Watcom C for the Amiga. The Watcom 486 compiler does significantly better
than even GOOD assembly.

>   It's funny how people take every possible opportunity to pick on CBM
> decisions.

I don't. I haven't even posted in months until this stuff about the 4000
came out. I've defended the Amiga vigorously on other fronts.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`
From: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: How many Amiga dealerships (was Re: More AmigaWorld Lies)
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:48:55 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <1992Sep4.054812.2679@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>One [dealer] in particular, plug-plug, is Safe Harbor.

In article <1992Sep4.231430.3169@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   Safe Harbor is a MAIL ORDER COMPANY, not a dealership.  They may be 
>subsidizing a storefront as a means to allow them to benefit from occasional
>walk-in sales, but the very likely make the bulk of their profits from 
>mail-order sales.  Thus, Safe Harbor is not a very good example to use.

	Did everybody hear that?  Marc just took 4 opinions and tried to
turn thm into a fact.

	1 ->	"Safe Harbor is a MAIL ORDER COMPANY, not a dealership."

		But they are a store, Marc!!!  A real store!

	2 ->	"They may be subsidizing a storefront..."
		      ^^^

		I suppose that you and the owners of Safe Harbor have
		discussed whether their store is "real" or a just a
		"subsidized storefront"?

		Or did you just make this up?

	3 ->	"occasional walk-in sales..."
		 ^^^^^^^^^^

		I suppose you have stood outside Safe Harbor and tallied
		how many walk-in sales they get?

		Or did you just make this up?

	4 ->	"[They] very likely make the bulk of their profits from
			^^^^^^^^^^^
		mail-order sales"

		"Very likely?!?"  Have you audited their books?  Or are you
		just guessing?

		And even if they DO make most of their money through
		mailorder, SO WHAT?  If I were an Amiga dealer, I would think
		that diversifying into mailorder and providing exceptional
		service (which Safe Harbor does) is an excellent idea!!!

And from this weak speculation you conclude that Safe Harbor Software is
"not a very good example" of an Amiga dealer?????????  Have you even VISITED
Safe Harbor?  Have you talked to the people in their store?  (I have!)

	And to top it off... STOP CROSSPOSTING TO C.S.A.MISC!!!!  You have
been on USENET for more than 4 years.  You KNOW how to set a "Followup-To".
line.  You KNOW the difference in focus between c.s.a.misc and
c.s.a.advocacy.  Will you please DEMONSTRATE that you understand the
concept of proper followups?

                                                        Dan

 //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
| Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center |
| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:30:27 GMT
 <1992Sep9.162702.13713@usl.edu> <1992Sep9.185057.8150@ra.msstate.edu> <1992Sep9.214428.20634@newshost.unh.edu>
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Sep9.214428.20634@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
> >There is/was a game for the Amiga called "Fairy Tale Adventure" or
> >something like that which used an angled view.  It really impressed
> >me a few years ago but I'm not certain of what became of the company
> >that produced it (Microillusions?).  The graphics for the "world"
> >were 32 color lo-res, but the control panel at the bottom of the
> >screen was in hi-res with 8 or 16 colors.  This "split screen"
> >approach would be nice on some newer games.  It really sucks trying
> >to read lo-res text and the fake 80 column fonts make me retch.
> 
> 	I remember playing this game a while back on my A500, it was pretty
>    good.  Especially after you found the swan and could fly all over the 
>    entire world with it.  The music for it was pretty good also, it changed
>    when bandits were chasing you.  I'd forgotten how much fun I had with it.
>    Kinda makes me want to get an Amiga again. :)
> 
> 							G.Greene

Wow, that brings back memories.  As a matter of fact that was the 2nd game
I bought for my Amiga.  It still works on my A3000 if I boot up under 1.3.
Yeesh.. I can still remember all the passwords etched around the border of
that tiny map that came with it (although my map is long gone).  It was
done by David Joiner (on BIX as talin), a couple of months ago the
possibility of a Faery Tale II was brought up, but it seems like his bosses
didn't see enough $$$ in it.

Glenn Doiron
--
Amiga UUCP+
Origin:  uunet!starpt!doiron     (Organization:68K Software Development)
         BIX: gdoiron
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 12:37:12 GMT

In article <18rh75INNpga@aludra.usc.edu> dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>Since there is a modular CPU design, Jim Dionne mentioned they might
>consider a RISC board. (por favor!)

This Risc board idea sounds like a pipe dream to me - especially since
3.0 has more of the OS downcoded into assembly.

>The head of marketing said that when the A3000(1 product) came out,
>they had 23 marketing people. Now, he said, they have 23 new products,
>and 3 people to do the marketing.

I'm amazed he would want to admit this!

>| Amiga  ///    |  U.S.C. Trojans  | Don't  | David Leslie           |

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:31:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.204454.7061@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>Yeah, then who develops new software for the "AGA" chips? If all of the
>low and mid-range can ONLY do ECS stuff?

ADPro supports it right now.  So does ProWrite, through 256-colour Workbench
support.  Expect support from paint packages and 3-d renderers.  GIF viewers,
even.

Oh, did you mean games?  No one will write AA-specific games?  Did I buy an
Amiga to play games?  No, I can buy a cheap PC for that (PCs being the game
machines of today, right?).  Do I care less?  No, I don't.


-- 

David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
Computer Systems Officer, QDPI    | Fax      : +61 70 92 3593
Mareeba, Australia                | Voice    : +61 70 92 1555
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jeremym@fraser.sfu.ca (Jeremy Thomas McDonald)
Subject: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000?  Ask at WOC!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:13:02 GMT

Could somene be kind enough to ask
Dionne if CBM plans to offer a trade-up plan for the A3000 -> A4000?
Thanks!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:32:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.110731.6844@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:

[ ]
>
>	The PC version didn't sound quite as good.  Even with soundcards, the
>music was off and lots of the sounds that made the Lemmings so unique were
>missing.

What an understatement!

>The SuperNintendo one could be as nice looking as you want, Lemmings
>isn't fun with a joystick controller (even under CDTV), I wonder if you
>could get it to work with the mouse from Mario Paint?  Anyways, in order to
>start more rumors and PC bashing: A friend at Psygnosis told me they removed
>the larger-Lemmings from Lemmings II (which should be out soon) because the
>MS-DOS version couldn't handle them without becoming dog-slow.

The CDTV trackball works fine with Lemmings on the CDTV, which is just wonderfulby the way (although they should make the menu items bigger at the bottom, a la
SNES).

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:03:11 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Tue  8 Sep 92 23:28, George@ibmpcug.co.uk (michael Veltm
wrote:

 GV> Therefore, would it not be theoretically possible to display 24 bit
 GV> colour, by
 GV>  choosing the 2 leas significant bits of the 64 registers with care?

 GV> ( :-) oh well, no-one said that HAM was designed to be easy to
 GV> program :-)0

Image Professional, the version of Image Master for the discontinued HAM-E
unit, has just such a mode.

It has a REG mode, with 256 colours out of 16.7 million

It has a HAM-E mode, with 18 bit colour, 64 base register colours

It has a HAM-E mode with 24 bit colour, 60 base register colours

I almost always use the 24 bit HAM mode, as it produces the best looking,
smoothest images, even with a lo-res device like the HAM-E. This same
technique used in hi-res will be mouth-wateringly good! Since the HAM-E is
the predecessor of the AA chipset (at least in it's techniques) this unit
gives us a very good idea of what the future of Amiga graphics modes hold.



-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:24:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <18rh75INNpga@aludra.usc.edu> dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>First, Dionne basically(my interpretation - so standard disclaimers)
>said that within 6 months the A4000 will have a DSP board. 

My guess is that marketing makes this a new machine and sets the cost up
another $1000.  If that's not true, it'll be truly impressive.
If it's not true, there might be a few people ticked off about their
early purchase too! :)


>Second, there still may be 32bit SCSI on the motherboard. They are...
>...might put it on the MB.

Don't let him go until he puts it in writing!

>Since there is a modular CPU design, Jim Dionne mentioned they might
>consider a RISC board. (por favor!)

Fat chance.  HW is probably not a problem, it's the software....

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:35:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.105200.330@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.024817.9546@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>> Can't everybody stop moaning?  We knew the new machines were coming and
>> that there was going to be a *very* good chance they wouldn't work
>> without a new motherboard, you had your chance to try and sell an 
>> old machine.

>I don't really understnad this statement - do you mean that the old machines
>need a new motherboard or that the new machines are obsolete already?

I'm saying that we knew new machines were coming, and we knew there was
a good chance they weren't going to work in the A3000.   This was said
several times on the net by myself.  You could have sold an A3000 before 
Sept. 10 and if you find somebody who doesn't know about the A4000, you
might still get a good price for your A3000.

>The point most people on the upgrade side of teh great AGA debate seem to be
>making is that the 68030 machines have enough bandwidth (in theory) for the
>A4000 graphics subsystem to be dropped in as a modular upgrade somehow. 

The custom chips system handles a lot of things.  Paula handles
most of the connections to the outside world.  You'd virtually have to
have a daughterboard with everything except the processor on it.  It'd
be a mess and you may as well have an entire new motherboard.  Maybe
a 3rd party will offer a new motherboard.

I would rather see C= spend what resources they do have developing new
machines than trying to extend the lives of the old ones through nasty
kludges.

C= have suggested they will offer some kind of power-up deal, so you'll
just have to wait and see.

> Angus M. Marshall, 

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths