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From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Neat Accessories for Skating
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:02:33 GMT

Here's 3 accessories that I really like and am sure those of you who have
not used them would benefit from using them.  I don't work for any of these
companies.  Perhaps we should start a small FAQ of things people have found
useful.

	- Double Lay-R socks:  The greatest invention of the 20th century.
	  These socks have 2 layers, the idea is the layers slide against
	  each other and help prevent blisters, yet the socks are very thin.
	  Highly recommended, particularly for leather boots.  About $7,
	  if you can't find it at your local store the REI sells them.
	  (Recreational Equipment, Inc, they have an 800 number which you
	  can get by calling directory info).

	- The Camelback.  This is like a small backpack that takes a roughly 2
	  liter plastic bladder into which you put water or other fluids.
	  To drink, you suck on a tube.  Works great, the funny thing is
	  you don't even feel it when it's on your back, and the little
	  backpack has enough space to put a couple of cookies, etc in
	  addition to the bladder for the fluid.  This thing is great for
	  those long skates, and it is far more comfortable than a fanny
	  pack with a water bottle.  It also won't interfere with putting
	  your arms on your back.  I got mine for $30 from a friend
	  (they're very popular here), both Bike Nashbar and Performance
	  bike shop (see the FAQ of mail order addresses or call 800
	  directory info) have it in their catalog for about $35.

	- CDS/express-line gloves.  These are like your regular cycling
	  gloves, except they don't have padding.  Instead, they have a
	  (detachable) plastic plate in the palm, sort of like a 1/2
	  wristguard, the idea being that if you spill you'll skid on the
	  plastic and not on the skin of your palms (ouch).  The gloves also
	  have a little mirror on the left glove, great for (1) checking the
	  fit of your Oakleys and (2) a great conversation opener.  Other than
	  that (and for me just (2) because I wear glasses) I've found
	  it completely useless, but you can take it off (it attaches with
	  velcro).  A word of caution:  while I'd expect these gloves
	  to be more protective than cycling gloves, they offer much less
	  protection than wristguards.  They don't protect the sides and
	  top of your hand with padding, and they won't help prevent your
	  wrist from bending too far backwards, as a pair of wristguards
	  will.  I got mine at the local skate shop for something like
	  $28 (ouch!)

	- skate computers: Not for me, but can anyone comment on these?  

Ricardo
pinch@cs.washington.edu
From: mpeters@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Speed Skating Times Subscription Info
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:47:26 GMT
Reply-To: mpeters@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Distribution: usa
Organization: WIN Dataplus Services WTC-1 - Dayton, OH

gn@terminus.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE) writes:
>  Does anybody have subscription information (price, phone #, address)
>for Speed Skating Times?  I've seen info on Inline here, but not on
>this mag.  Please post the info, as others are probably interested as
>well.

The subscription price used to be $15.  I guess it hasn't changed in the
last year.  
                 Speedskating Times
                 2910 N.E. 11 Ave.
                 Pompano, FL 33064
                 (305) 782-5928



-- 
Mike Peters

Mike.Peters@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!mpeters
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Subject: WANTED-Camping ground reachable by R_Blades from Cambridge, MA
From: erosenb@husc10.harvard.edu (Edward Rosenberg)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:06:21 GMT

	I  realize  this  is  a somewhat unusual post for  this group.
With that out of the way, here is  what I'm planning  to  do: a friend
and I  decided that it would be a good idea to take some light camping
gear  in backpacks and head out for a camping ground, on rollerblades.
We'd be  starting from Cambridge, in Massachusetts,  and attempting to
go out for 50 miles or so.  I'm wondering whether any of you out there
know of any  camping grounds that are approximately that far  out, and
that have  decent  roller blade paths to them,  as  well as some  food
source (McDonald's would do :)) so that we can eliminate food from our
packs.

Any  help,   pointers,   or  references  to  other   sources   greatly
appreciated.

--Edward Rosenberg
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Neat Accessories for Skating
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:21:19 GMT
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: pinch@cs.washington.edu's message of 25 Aug 92 18:02:33 GMT


In article <1992Aug25.180233.26773@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes:


   Here's 3 accessories that I really like and am sure those of you who have
   not used them would benefit from using them.  I don't work for any of these
   companies.  Perhaps we should start a small FAQ of things people have found
   useful.

	   - Double Lay-R socks:  The greatest invention of the 20th century.
	     These socks have 2 layers, the idea is the layers slide against
	     each other and help prevent blisters, yet the socks are very thin.
	     Highly recommended, particularly for leather boots.  About $7,
	     if you can't find it at your local store the REI sells them.
	     (Recreational Equipment, Inc, they have an 800 number which you
	     can get by calling directory info).

;-)

I will mention some accessories for quad funky *dance* skating:

  Socks: The Double Lay-R socks sounds neat. I have found that the
  Burlington athletic socks and the like to be good. I get mine at a
  flea market.

  Sweat band: Absolutly essential when the music makes you sweat
  bullets. Not any kind will do. I had found good sweat bands at Ames,
  but can not find them anymore. There are plenty of wimpy ones around
  and I have not been successful in finding replacements. Any
  suggestions?

  Baggy (gas) pants: The best for skating since they do not restrict
  movement. The baggier the better. You can find baggies sometimes at
  Army/Navy surplus stores.

  T shirts: They should say something like "Shut Up and Skate" to
  indicate you are a serious skater. If you are a serious dance skater,
  button shirts will not do since you will be sweating bullets and they
  will be incinerated, melted, or absorbed.

  Music Venue: (Most important!) DJ mixing house, acid house and techno,
  plus good dance skating standards from the roller disco era. No
  personal sound systems since they would fly off any part of your body
  you place them when you do serious spinning. (I even have problems
  spinning with my glasses on. The sweat band helps it stay put, plus
  I have glasses with the wrap-around-the-ears temples.)


Now this is a almost serious list. Come on folks, please state what
venue FAQs, and equipment discussions are about. The accessories will
differ depending upon what one dies with their skates.



:-)
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: 80 mm wheel on Aeroblade....
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:49:26 CDT

In article <1992Sep1.020258.25810@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes:
>In article <42090028@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
>>In rec.skate, kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong) writes:
>>
>>| Does anybody know if 80mm wheels can be installed on Aeroblades or not???
>>
>>For sure!  I bought a full set of these early this spring.  The sports shop
>
>
>Maybe not so sure.  Realize that the size of the runner varies with the
>size of the skate, and it is quite possible that smaller sizes don't
>take the big wheel while large sizes do.  I have no experience with the Aero,
>but this is the case with the racerblade.  I think the cutoff with those
>was size 8: sizes 8 1/2 and above take it, 8 and below don't. 
>
>Ricardo
>

Yes, 80mm fit just fine. I have 82mm HyperGlides on my Aeros.

-Chris
From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Pre-race conditioning?
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:46:21 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:

>I'm rather displeased with the way skate races are held.

>I've been skating for less than three months, and have entered a 10k
>and a 20k, and will be doing a 50k this month. At each race, there has
>been a "fun roll" or some such, at a reduced distance (usually 5k),
>with experience categories, but the main event is "categoryless". I
>feel sure I could have done well in the novice category, but I wanted
>to do (and had trained for) the longer distance.

>So I end up running against all these 17 minute guys -- what's the fun
>in that when I'm just hoping to break 23? Oh, yes. I almost forgot age
>groups. If I get no slower, and wait 20 years, I might have someone to
>really race against.

>I realize it's a big, bad, competitive world out there, and most
>amateur sports operate similarly. But if they are going to have
>categories, why not have them for all distances?

I don't quite understand what the problem is-- if they are letting everyone
race at once, you are keeping with the people you would be racing with
anyway.  Sure, you wont be finishing first, but...  You wouldn't REALLY
be finishing first anyway, even if the faster people were in another race.

Besides, in my experience, when they do split up the races (which in my area
is the norm), usually you will get several 20min or better guys racing in that
race just to win.  That particular type wienie maneuver never goes over
terribly well, trust me.

>BTW: I have Slalomblades -- basically Lightnings with five wheels and
>stiffer frames. Are these "recreational" skates, or "racing" skates?

I would think that they would have too much ankle support and too heavy to
be considered a competitive racing skate.

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
Kimon@holonet.net
(ILYJen)
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: FAQ: In-line Stopping Techniques
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:04:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Tony,

I see no reference to skating off pavement onto grass. Frequently I
will weave from pavement to grass and back to pavement to control my
speed going downhill, like on the long grassy hills at the Washington
Monument. If the goal is stopping, then I just stay on the grass.

As you hit the grass, knees are kept bent, and one foot is ahead of
the other. Nearly all weight is distributed on the foot that will
hit the grass first, and you keep that leg real stiff, as if plowing
a path for the trailing leg to follow. Very little weight is on
the trailing leg. Muscles in the trailing leg are relaxed. The only
function of the trailing leg is stability and balance. The leading
leg does most of the work.

Beginners are often intimidated by this procedure, and they are
impressed when they see others doing it. However, it is really
a very simple physical feat. The hard part, if any, is simply
understanding mentally what it is you are trying to do, as I
explained.

This is a lot of fun, too. I like to hit the grass full speed, and
then skate as far down a slope as possible before the grass stops
me.

One caution. It doesn't work, if the ground is wet. Your skates will
immediately sink into the dirt, and you will do a forward somersault..
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel hubs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:16:03 GMT

dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.132551.8983@ll.mit.edu> ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones) writes:

>>	One question: how much play is acceptable in an inline bearing?
>>Even when new, the bearings in my skates have had more lateral play
>>in them than I would find acceptable in, say, a bicycle wheel bearing.
>>Of course, I'm a perfectionist when it comes to bicycle maintenance.
>>Is some play normal in a non-adjustable bearing?

>I would think that any play in the bearings would be undesirable, since
>in-line wheel dimensions are so small as it is, even a small amount of
>jiggling will translate into a large percentage of wasted energy.  ...

Regardless of that, loose bearings (and they don't even have to be all
that loose, BTW), can allow the wheel to become 'cocked' enough so that
the wheel rubs against the frame.

This is a serious problem, not only because it causes drag, but because it
heats up the wheel which will soon cause it to seperate from the hub and
expand, which will very soon destroy the wheel.

I have noticed this on several sets of Kryptonics Turbocores.  The
first sign is that the wheels creak as you switch your weight on the skate.
And if you remover the wheel from the frame, there will be a arc clear
of dirt and dust where the wheel was rubbing.

If you notice this, put your hands on your wheels after a long fast skate
and see if any of them are much warmer than the others.  If so, they are
probably rubbing.

This can happen a lot easier on frames like the Mogema and the Darkstar that
have very close tolerences and the side of the frame is close to the side 
of the wheel.  I'm not sure if is as big as a problem (or a problem at all)
for recreational skates like the Areo Blade.  But the creaking is bothersome
in any event.

Has anyone else experienced this?  And if so, what brand and type of wheels
were you using?  I have only experienced it with Turbocores, 80 and 76mm.
I'd like to know if this is something that only happens with them (I doubt
it...)

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Re: 80 mm wheel on Aeroblade....
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 12:51:05 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep3.234926.22763@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier) writes:
>Yes, 80mm fit just fine. I have 82mm HyperGlides on my Aeros.

Hey, they're making 82mm wheels now?  Just wondering, is there a specific
reason to use these?

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul Vader)
Subject: Re: WANTED-Camping ground reachable by R_Blades from Cambridge, MA
Summary: You're gonna have fallen arches...
Originator: pv@gagme
Organization: Inline Software Creations
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:19:34 GMT

erosenb@husc10.harvard.edu (Edward Rosenberg) Writes:
>I  realize  this  is  a somewhat unusual post for  this group. With that
>out of the way, here is  what I'm planning  to  do: a friend and I  decided
>that it would be a good idea to take some light camping gear  in backpacks
>and head out for a camping ground, on rollerblades. We'd be  starting from
>Cambridge, in Massachusetts,  and attempting to go out for 50 miles or so.
>I'm wondering whether any of you out there know of any  camping grounds
>that are approximately that far  out, and that have  decent  roller blade
>paths to them,  as  well as some  food source (McDonald's would do :)) so
>that we can eliminate food from our packs.

If you plan on carrying much weight I wouldn't suggest this. Most skate boots
don't give sufficient arch support to carry a pack more than (I'd guess)
about 20 pounds. Landing on it during a fall wouldn't be much fun either. I
have done some distance skating with a preplanned destination in mind (i.e.
leaving clothes and stuff at a hotel 40 miles up the road). Even then you
should get some arch support inserts for your boots. It makes your feet feel
a LOT better after 8 hours in them. Spare liners aren't a bad idea either if
you plan on skating the next day. They can really stink after being sweated
into for a whole day. PV
-- 
Paul Vader           Systems Analyst, semi-lurker, Rollerblader,
pv@gagme.chi.il.us   ex-Zen poet, and part-time .sig deconstructionist
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: shandley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Simon Handley)
Subject: AeroBlades vs. Roces Barcelona model
Followup-To: rec.skate
Reply-To: shandley@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:53:18 GMT

Does anyone know what the difference is between Aeroblades and the
Roces "Barcelona" model?  According to a woman I talked to at Skates
on Haight in SF, the Roces Barcelona is "basically" the same as the
Aeroblades.  In fact, I rang to ask how much they were selling
Aeroblades for and she said "$265"; it wasn't until later in the
conversation that she said "Oh, by the way, they're actually Roces
Barcelonas---but they're the same thing".  How true is this?

What is the difference between the two models?  What sort of
reputation do Roces skates have?  (Clearly it can't be too bad as they
used to (still do?) make Rollerblade's skates for them.  But if they
don't make skates for Rollerblade any more then why not?  That is, who
ditched who?)  Does anyone have any experience with the Roces skates
(and the Barcelona model in particular)?

Thanks,

Simon
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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Night skating (was Re: FAQ:  Mail-order numbers/address)
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:58:33 GMT

In article <42090030@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
>RE: night lights...
>
>The nicest head lamp I've ever seen is used by mountain climbers.  It has a 
>variable focus, an elastic band (including a 'top-of-head' band), rechargable 
>batt (opt), krypton lamp (opt), and a spare lamp onboard. They start at $40.

Typically, such systems will not fit over/under a helmet. Do you know if the
system you mention will work with bike helmets?

There are helmet-mount systems by NightSun and Nite Rider (remember the Night
Rider! --Mad Max) where the lights are mounted on your head. They are both
fairly expensive, but not a bad solution if having adequate lighting can
justify leaving the car at home/not having a car.

>Jim 8')s  |  aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com

--phil


Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: inline Magazines
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:24:34 CST

Could someone please post/send me the addresses of the various inline magazine(
s)? ST32373@vm.cc.latech.edu
From: toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: "Mistake" Skates
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:55 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Jawara@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Ron Drake) writes:

> So...what do you do if you've bought a pair of cheap skates that are 
> driving you crazy or you're long on desire and short on money? I have
> a few suggestions based on my own experience (i.e. MISTAKES!). 

Good suggestions.  I wound up doing exactly what you suggest is the best
route: got cheaper skates with a good boot fit, and wound up upgrading the
bearings and wheels.

The original skates were the RB Zetra 303.  At about $120, they were
half-decent skates for a cheaper introduction to in-lining.  Trouble was,
after I was hooked, I didn't realize how fast I'd out-grown the skates.
It took me about two months to outgrow these skates but about 5 months to
actually upgrade them.

Replacing the wheels and bearings took another hundred, but it was a hundred
well-spent: the skates are now incredibly fast and very smooth.  The only
thing I'm missing is buckles, but I've gotten quick at lacing, so I don't
really miss 'em.  I used to have trouble keeping up with my friends.  Now I
have to re-learn puck control because I'm suddenly skating twice as fast as
I used to.

So: anyone who is hesitating before upgrading your wheels and bearings: go
out and do it.  You won't regret it.  It's almost like buying your way into
a higher skill level!

--
Tony Shepps  toad@cellar.org
Preferred address:  toad%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
Snail mail:  P.O. Box 655, Blue Bell, PA  19422
Public access and thoughtful conversation:  The Cellar BBS  +1 215 654 9184 
From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:17:35 GMT
Subject: Re: 80 mm wheel on Aeroblade....
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

In rec.skate, kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong) writes:

| Does anybody know if 80mm wheels can be installed on Aeroblades or not???

For sure!  I bought a full set of these early this spring.  The sports shop
put them on my Areos.  They are smooth, glide well, and I might not have to 
replace them until *next* spring...Kryptonics green. 

| Surfing, Scuba, Sky Diving, Skating, Mountain Biking ==> Adrenaline Junkies

What? No 'bungee-jumping'? <grin>

Jim 8')s  |  aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:55:43 GMT
Subject: Don't rotate that wheel...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

This is based on personal experience, but may go against net.wisdom.

Q:    When SHOULDN'T you rotate your wheels?
Ans:  When you've got a FLAT side.)
(Q:    How on earth could anyone get a flat SIDE?)

   There is a little known problem with both the standard T-stop, and the 
infamous straightline Power stop.  (180' w/ leading foot pushing/dragging(?)  

   In both cases, the braking skate is presumed to be 90' to the direction 
of travel, and having a noticeable angle/cut.  In spite of the reasonably 
'random' action of the wheels during these moves, if a wheel should 'stop' 
rolling, then the friction will quickly wear a flat spot onto one part/side 
of that wheel.  After one of these bald/flat spots gets started, the wheel 
will invariably catch at this spot whenever this move is executed.

   This flat spot on the side of a wheel will be unnoticable on the flat, 
and you'll probably only feel the spot during certain unusual turns when 
your skate is severely canted to the inside.  So?  Where's the problem?  
We can handle this...right?

  The problem comes AFTER you've rotated your wheels once, and the wear 
starts approaching the flat spot...from the OTHER SIDE of the wheel.  Guess
what happens when the normal wear hits the flat edge?  Yup...big-time flat
spot on the riding edge of the wheel...going bumpity-bumpity all of the time. 
Replacement time!

Solution:  (one of them)  DON'T rotate that wheel...at least not until you can
smooth out the flat spot.  This can be done by consciously working on wearing
down the inside using different friction stops, and making sure that the wheel
DOESN'T STOP ROLLING.  Avoid holding a 90', use an 85' instead.  Work on turns
and spin stops where you can 'wash-out' on the inside.

I lost a 72mm wheel to this problem at the end of my first year on in-lines, 
but I managed to save a 80mm recently. Has anyone else encountered this?  Any
other solutions?

Jim 8')s  |  aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com

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