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From: esi001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Rip Tide)
Subject: Re: Peugeot 309
Organization: COVENTRY UNIVERSITY , Coventry , UK.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:36:43 GMT

In article <Bx74HH.6Cz@csc.liv.ac.uk> jebt103@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. R.D. Barrett) writes:
>I am thinking of buying a used Peugeot 309 GTI in the next couple of weeks.
 Anybody got one and want to tell me any problems or faults to look out for.
 If it's any good - or should I buy an XR3i instead ( joke !! ).
 I would also be interested in any performance mods anybody knows for it. 
>
>Thanks in advance, I hope ?

I don't know about the GTI model but some of the problems with the standard
one , are......
		Rear wash wipe won't work. The motor is the problem with
		the wipe and the wash jet needs a good supergluing in place.
		Rear heated window won't work. Wires broken in boot hinge.
		My passengers door won't unlock from inside , the button
		appears to have jammed though it will open with the key.
		On the older models the rear screen is all that connects
		the hinges to the boot lid.....slam it at your peril.

	Plus's are.....
		Great roadholding and acceleration.
		Brakes are very efficient....too much so even, It's very
		easy to stand it on end or invoke a skid.


	Mines a C reg 1.6GL. I find it's a very good car overall. I
	haven't had any serious keep it off the road problems. Starts
	beautifully even on awful mid-winter days.

	
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: 89 Ford Taurus chronic stalling problem
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:16:46 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Pierre,

I tried to send email to your address but it bounced,
I'm sorry but I had  to post my reply here, I hope you see it.

Basil


Bien le bonjour Pierre,

Je voudrais te remercier pour ta reponse dans rec.autos. 
Le fait que tu a eu le me^me probleme avec une Ford 89 Tempo,
sugge`re que mon probleme est effectivement dans la pompe d'huile.
Je ne crois pas qu'il serait possible, que mon probleme soit
autre part d'autant que les symptomes sont exactement pareils.
J'ai juste une autre question, est-ce que tu pourrais savoir
dans la garantie de ta nouvelle pompe, quel est le nom
du programme sous lequel Ford a paye pour le remplacement de 
la pompe.

Merci d'avance,

Cordialement,

Basil Hamdan

P.S. Excuse mon francais, je ne l'est pas utilise' depuis huit ans,
mais j'essaye.
From: dp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Pinedo)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:19:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Taurus/Lumina/Grand Prix
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>) writes:
> ! jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
> !CU has been reviewing cars since the 1920's!
> 	72 years and they still dont know what they are talking about.
> 	Did the word consumer even exist in the 1920's? Seems to
> 	me consumers and consumerism are relatively new-age terms..
> !Have you ever compared what they said to what you experiencied with a
> !car?
> 	Yes. I've never experienced the gloom and doom they've
> 	told me to watch out for. And these cars include the
> 	Chevrolet Monza, Vega, Citation, Beretta. All were on
> 	the crap list. None have been crap for me.

CU said the Chevy Celebrity I bought in 1986 would be less reliable than
average. They were right, it was a lemon. I got rid of it a year ago.

CU said the Toyota Tercel I bought in 1981 would be more reliable than
average.  I have only replaced two non-maintenance/non-wear items in 11 years.
I still own it.

CU said that the Frigidaire dishwasher I bought in 1990 would be less reliable
than average. The pump was replaced during the first month I owned it,
and I have had to replace numerous other parts.

CU said the two most reliable 1992 minivans were the Toyota Previa and the
Mazda MPV.  I bought the MPV.  I sure has been nice not to have to make
a monthly trip to get our Chevy worked on.

Will I pay attention to Consumer Reports for the next major purchase
I make?  You bet, they've been batting 1.000 for me!

Of course, I realize that maybe I've been lucky, but CU is the ONLY
reliabily data available to me.


David Pinedo
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Subject: Re: got me a '90 miata - (plastic windshield problems
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:51:33 GMT

Meguiars plastic cleaner and plastic polish work great if you can find them.  They cleared up  my old Jensen-Healy's milky white rear window very nicely.
They are a bit pricey also, about $8.00 a bottle.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Subject: Re: Nissan Mailing List
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:01:44 GMT


I have a list that was dated in May of '92, and I don't think
it's changed significantly since then, but here's the only list
related to Nissans:

Z-Cars (Nissan/Datsun)
         (send requests to z-car-request@dixie.com)


Good luck,
Ken
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:39:50 GMT

With regards to Audi, I do not think they were commenting on the
problems with that style of transmission. I think they were
commenting on Audi's particular implementation of it. They also
mentioned other problems with the trans. not releated to it. 

Did you compare the Infinity Transmission to the Audi? Well, CU
displayed pictures of both. Though both used the zigzag pattern
Audi's was *quite* different from Infinity's. The answer is plain and
simple they must have not found Infinity's design to be as 
awkward as Audi's. If they were identicalor at least very close
then you would have a point.

john
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From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: CAR&DRIVER LIDAR DETECTOR
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 

-> The new issue of Car&Driver has a test of LIDAR detectors.
-> The Bell bested both the Cobra and Escort models.
-> From reading the article, lidar is suppose to be something to be
-> feared.  Low to No reaction time, limited detectability, limited
-> scatter detection.  The time reading with one model is instantaneous,
-> the beam is only 4.5 feet wide at 1000 feet, and the lidar detector's
-> detection width is less than 110 degrees.

  Yeah, I know.  I doubt that the Lidar detectors will be very useful if
the width of the beam is that thin and the cop's they interviewed
usually fired it between 700ft and 400ft from your car.  By the time
you've been spotted, it's way to late to stomp the brakes!  Also, if the
cop is firing the laser from behind you, you won't even know, since the
LIDAR detector doesn't go off and you'll be stuck out!


Erich.
                                    
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:00:30 GMT

Edward Rosales Bella <eb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I was just wondering what type of Luxary cars are out on the market
>today which would be good in the Snow.  I know there was the BMW 325IX
>but since they are not producing those anymore what is out there?  send

Well, let's see...You didn't mention price range, so.....

Mercedes Benz has an allegedly excellent 4wd system available on the 300E.  I'm
not sure if it's available on other models...

Porsche 911 is available with 4wd.  This is not exactly a luxury car, but hell,
if I had the cash, it's what I'd buy....

Range Rover.  Of course.

These are the only 4wd luxury cars I can think of, unless you want to include
the Jeep Grand Cherokee, which is supposed to be quite comfy.

If you just want safe snow behavior, consider a 2wd car with traction control.
Here are all the ones I can think of:
	Lexus LS400
	Infiniti Q45
	BMW 750i
	Mercedes-Benz (Not sure which ones)
	Pontiac Bonneville SSEi
	BMW 850i (Again, not a luxury car in the sense of lots of room...)
	Mitsubishi Diamante (This one MAY have 4wd.  I can't remember.)
	Some Cadillacs (Don't know which)

I'm sure there are others.....
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 02:09:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) says:
[repeated stuff deleted]

>And driving TRABANTS!

haha..nicelyput!!!

*****WARNING: REAL LIFE EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW!! STOP NOW IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT!!
(you gotta make sure to put this stuff on these to protect these peeple!! ;-)

>Yeah...My mother's not willing to try either. When her car was in the shop,
>I said that she was welcome to use mine. I had to drive her all over town
>because she never could be bothered to learn how to REALLY drive(ARRRGH!)
>

this is a real life example of what i have been stressing.  EVERYONE should
LEARN on a stick, as they can then drive EITHER!!..at their WHIM...but, 
those who never learn on a stick, are relegated to the (monotonouosIMHO)
life of driving an auto only, and, whenever circumstances call, are left
looking like idiots because they have to  be either taught, or they have
to beg someone to take the time to drag them around, or they claim to be
able to, and screw up the equipment!....if everyone were required to learn
to drive a manual, then they would have the choice, but as it is now, have
NONE!!...geez..how can anybody be so blind???
DREW
apologies for the cut stuff..it's in other articles, tho.
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From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:22:57 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.larc.nasa.gov

Michael G. Mshar writes:

  As for structural integraty, all the body panels really do is give the car
  its looks and make for its aerodynamics. Unlike other automobiles, the
  Saturn has a steel cage frame that simply has the body panels attched to
  it. So assuming this cage frame is structually sound, I would say that the
  car is just as strong as any other car this size. The best comparison I can
  think of is an airplane. An airplane is simply a frame structure that is
  covered with body panels for aerodynamics and looks. Same thing for the
  Saturn. 


As for airplanes, the skin is not just for good looks and aerodynamics.
It is an integral part of the structure.  Without the skin taking some
of the stress, the frame would not have enough strength to still fly!
I'm not sure about the structure on a unibody car, don't know how much
or if the body panels. 

I guess I'm wearing my picky shoes today, sorry for the digression!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: GM Problems (was Re: saturn/OLDs speculation)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:22:32 GMT

Jim,
I thoroughly agree with your statements of autocracy needed
in GM, throughout.
I do have one little qualm though.
I dont think you should neccesarily limit
production to 2 or 3 models a division.
I dont think that is neccessary.  but you do have to limit
reproduction of the same lines.
There is no reason Chevy can no longer produce the vette.
My god, think of the "brand new: Oldsmobile Corvette!!".
It's almost a sacrilidge to take the vette and camero
from chevy.  (well the camero is being phased out anyway
by simple marketing patterns)  Those are some of the cars
that are what makes chevy chevy.


Once again though:
Somebody go tell GM to decentralize 
and get their act together.  I think they are afraid
of competition from within themselves and thats why they made
the change.  And now they are up Sh*t's creek without
a paddle, since competition will come from elsewhere.

When I buy a chevy, I want to buy a chevy.
These days, they might as well do what the do with cars what they 
do with models:  Give you 3 or 4 sets of decals and
let you pick your own brand.  
Just peel Chevy/Olds/Pontiac/Buick and put it in the
assigned spot.  It would have about the same effect.


Derek



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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Subject: using mag rims in winter
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:01:27 GMT

folks:

I have a 1992 Mazda MX-3 GS with aluminium rims and would like to 
drive the car this winter.  Getting a set of steel rims would
be the ideal thing to do, but they look like shit and can be
expensive.  I know that most aluminium rims have a coating 
on them. How hard would winter be on them if they were kept
fairly cleaned?

Cheers
Barry

P.S. Who makes a good winter tire in a 205 55/15 size??
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Thanks

Dan
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OPINION WANTED: Z-24
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:18:38 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax-fddi.solbourne.com
Summary: Aaah!  Don't do it!!

While reading article <1992Nov06.161855.9330@bnr.ca>, I noticed that
jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn) said the following:
 >  87 model years are equipped with "the V6 from hell." Mine certainly 
 >  ran that way - rough idle, and liked to stall a few times first thing
 >  in the morning. I finally got frustrated and sold the car in 
 >  December 89. The only saving grace was that I got $7500 for it :)
 >
 >  As a counterpoint, a friend of mine just traded his 88 (or 89) Z24.
 >  It ran almost flawlessly for the 110K miles he owned it. I'd recommend
 >  you look for an 88, as many improvements were made that year, including
 >  significant redesign to the 2.8 V6.

As a counterpoint, I owned an '88 Z24 that liked to stall a few times first
thing in the morning as well.  It also liked to hunt for idle speeds, and stall
occasionally when warmed up.  To make a long story short, after about one year,
nine dealer visits and eight car computers, BBB arbitration forced GM to
repurchase the d**n thing from me, and I've been happily driving my Probe
GT (which doesn't stall in the morning) ever since...
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New Rotary Engine Design
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Nov10.172218.19426@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>Apparently news has leaked that Mazda has a new version of its rotary engine
>close to production, it is said to have 10% better fuel millage and a 60%
>decrease in fuel emissions. One of the design changes is a direct  fuel 
>injection into the rotors and longer combustion process. Mazda has said that
>the engine is still being tested and will not be seen for awhile in any
>production units but outsiders say they are ver close to production. I sure
>hope this opens the door for the 3-rotor in the RX7, one of the main reason
>I heard that it didn't get put in the 3rd generation RX7 was because of
>emission problems.
>-- 
   The other problem was heat.  The combustion area of a rotary
   never experiences intake cooling, so you get uneven heating which
   becomes a bigger problem on the 4 rotor and 3 rotor units (how
   you cool the "inner" units adequately...

   But a 3-4 rotor would be nice as an alternative to the twin
   turbo's...



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo)
Subject: Chrysler LH sedan takes out Lexus luxury-mobile...
Summary: The LH drove away...the Lexus was towed...
Keywords: Happened...really! Right here on 13th St., D.C....
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:57:01 GMT


On my way in to work this morning, I saw the finality of an accident 
involving a Dodge Intrepid and a Lexus ES300. From what I can figure,
the Intrepid was coming up 13th St. towards the D.C.-MD line and the
ES300 was trying to cut it off whilst entering the road from a sidestreet.
The LH must've "muscled" it's right-of-way privilege and the Lexus was
forced to crash into a fence...NOT a pretty sight!

So, Chrysler 1, Lexus 0...had it been a LS400--well--woulda' been interesting...BTW, the airbags kicked in on the Lexus...


d.j. NetBoy
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From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Hella Quartz Brake Light Conver. Kit.
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:36:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cos.bob1.721517788
Distribution: world
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems

In <m8e2TB1w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:

>(this is for the people who wanted to know where to get, halogen brake 
>lights... here's the info.. I do not work for APS, Hella, or anyone else liek 
>that..)

>This high intensity brake light kit will quickly get the attention of anyone 
>behind you, and for the max. safety in rain, snow, or fog conditions.  The 
>quartz bulbs are 20 watt SINGLE FILAMENT with primary use as stop lights, but 
>may also be used for back-up lights, flashers, etc...  NOT FOR CONTINUOUS 
>USE!  Installs in seconds in place of standard bulb.  Kit included two 
>adapters, and bulbs...

>PART NUMBER - 6-81140 ($19.85)
>Spare Bulb PART NUMBER - 6-78165 ($6.95)

>1464 North Hundley Street
>Anaheim, California 92806-1382

>1-800-423-3623

>Have a nice day

>--
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>    68' Cougar XR-7, 89' VW Golf, 74' Honda CL360t, Vextrex Unit Lover
>-Legal in California only for racing use, never to be used on a highway.-

Geez, thanks Dan. As if it isn't bad enough in beltway traffic to have
the current crop of extra bright brakelights blinding us in bumper-to-
bumper traffic, now they want to install searchlights.

On a similar subject, I noticed that the parts stores sell two types
of replacement headlamp bulbs, ones with the end blacked-out and ones
that are all clear glass. If people replace the blacked out ones with
the clear ones (and I swear they do), you get a lot of stray bright
light in the eyes of oncoming drivers.

I used to have a pair of Marechal replacements that had clear lenses
(no ribs in the glass) that had built in deflectors in front of the
bulbs. Great focused beam - dead white light - about a mile and a
half range on high beam. Guess they are illegal here cause I never
see them in the parts stores :-(.

REB
From: ssawin@bbn.com (Scott Sawin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: High idle question
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:43:44 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ssawin@ccv1.bbn.com (Scott Sawin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

High idle question:

I have a 1986 Celebrity that started running unusually high the other day.  I
noticed that when I took the air cleaner cover off it started to idle the way
it's suppose to.  I put in a new air filter, cleaned the carburetor and all the
associated linkage with Gumout and checked all hoses for possible vacuum leaks.
The high idle came back when I put the air cleaner cover back on tight.
Then, while I was loosening the wing nut on the air cleaner cover I noticed 
that the idle went back to where it's suppose to be.

Now the engine idles normally only when the cover is not real tight.

What's causing this?  

Scott (ssawin@bbn.com)

Please send all responses directly to me.  I never have enough time to read
this group as much as I would like.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:19:33 GMT

fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:

>According to a recent issue of Autocar & Motor, Honda president said that 
>because Honda has its biggest operations in US (Honda sells more cars in US
>than in Japan), it is inevitible that Honda moves its headquaters to US.

>Now an interesting thought.  Does that mean Honda is as American as, say, Ford?
>and we can all go buy Honda and proudly say "we are buying American"?  Well,
>the name sounds a bit foreign.  But doesn't the helicopter giant Sikorsky
>sound a bit foreign, too?

Though this technically would make Honda an American car, I have a nasty feel-
ing that it would not be as American as, say, Ford.  I have heard a number of
times that the Japanese government makes business easier than the U.S. gov't
does.  Though I cannot comment as to the accuracy of such statements, if it
is true (wouldn't surprise me), I'm sure Honda would find a way to keep the
majority of the profits from the car sales flowing back to Japan.  I could
be wrong (in fact I hope I am), but that's what I would expect.
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