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From: bhjelle@hydra.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: My Milk Shake Recipe
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:39:22 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec29.215807.19126@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>In article <92364.145933U28022@uicvm.uic.edu> <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>The nutritional breakdown is as follows:
>>
>>Food                Calories     Proteins    Carbohydrates   Fats
>>                                    (g)          (g)          (g)
>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>2 tbsp. Honey         130            0           34            0
>>1/2 Apple             125           16            3            1
>>
>
>Your milkshake recipe sounds very tasty!  My question has to do with the
>nutrition info, in particular, that for the 1/2 apple.  I don't know
>offhand what the values _should_ be, but somehow, the numbers just
>don't seem right.  You might want to re-check your info.
>
The apple definitely sounds unlikely, but the honey is what
caught my eye. Even table sugar doesn't have that many calories,
and honey is basically sugar that has been mixed with water.

Brian
From: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction P-3
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:02:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM
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  (Part Three:)

  So, if you were to reverse that trend and cause yourself to eat on average
  200 calories less than you burn; it's only a matter of time before the pounds
  drop off. So far, you are an active person as your posting relates. I'll have to
  assume that your bodyfat percentage remains unchanged because you do not have
  control over your eating.

  And to that end, things get easy. All you need is determination and some self-
  sacrifice. Learn to like being a little hungry and learn to eat lowfat foods and
  high carbohydrate foods. Keep you daily caloric intack to about 1600-1800 for an
  extended period of time. Also, figure the approximate number of calories you burn
  on a daily average due to exercise and add that to your base metabolic rate. 

        For example:
                        BMR   -1900
             Daily exercise   - 500
                 Daily diet   +1800
                             -------
                      Total   - 600

  Multiply -600 by 10 and you get -6000. Multiply that -600 by 100 and you get
  60,000. See where this is going. 100 days roughly equals three months. Which, by
  the way, is a very safe rate in which to drop 21 or so pounds. If you were to in-
  crease that -600 to say -800, your results will come even faster. Only, be pre-
  pared to deal with hunger. Make sure to become aquainted with the calorie content
  of foods and organize a good daily caloric intack of 1600-1800 calories spread over
  four meals. This gives you a 400-450 calorie range per meal. Make sure to eat
  plenty of vegetables, drink lots of water, and don't pump too much on the protein
  end of things. Keep the protein around 100-150 calories of each meal and the
  rest spread among the other food groups. 

            Dan S.


                  p.s.
                       Everyone, feel free to critique and/or highlight
                       any weak or strong points in this regimen. I would
                       appreciate the input. 
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From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Subject: Cheap substitute for Protein Drinks?
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:08:50 GMT

   Hello.  I need a little help.  I am trying to find a substitute for
the incredibly expensive protein/carb drink powders currently occupying 
shelf space at GNC's all over the country.  I would like this substitute
to be high in protein and complex carbs, and it should be in powdered form,
easily mixable with water.  Other than that, don't want to try to duplicate any
of the other attributes of the commercial powders.  

   So far, the best I have been able to come up with is a mixure of nonfat
powdered milk, whole wheat flour, cocoa, and sugar.  It's palatable, if you
don't mind the bitterness of whole wheat.  Any suggestions?

Rod
(freier@mail.physics.utah.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jkhan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Jamal Khan)
Subject: Abs and Backache
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:40:31 EST

I had a query regarding the harm abdominal exercises can do to your lower back.
I have been working on my stomach muscles for 9 months now and have gotten fairly good defintion. I do about 12 different exercises with 20 reps for each.
I also maintain a 4 day a week free weight program. For quite some time now my lower back has started hurting especially during lower abs workout.
I was wondering what abdominal exercise put the most strain on the lower back, so I can ease off them for sometime. 
And 1 more thing... how strong does one have to be to do one hand pushups?
I seem do 15 fairly easily but bench only 135-145lbs.  I weigh ~150

Jamal

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction (GO FOR IT !)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:17:29 GMT

charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co writes:

>       My response to anyone who wants to drop down to 4-7% bodyfat is: GO
>   FOR IT !!!  Think about it. If you were to grab a hand full of the fat
>   around your waste, ... what is that fat right there doing for you? It's
>   not cushioning any muscle tissue nor is it providing cushion protection
>   for the joints in your body from that location. It simply sits there and
>   does absolutely nothing for you. The mere fact that your body can have
>   enough excess fat to be able to grab denotes that you already have all
>   of the necesary fatty material in between the muscles and organs. The ex-
>   cess is excess. 
>       I believe the reason why so many doctors and sports specialists seem to
>   think, and I highlight the word think, that low bodyfat percentages are some-
>   how dangerous is because almost everyone in America has anywhere from 10-20%
>   bodyfat on their bodies. This is the current norm and it may itself not
>   necesarily be the right norm. Personally, I'm down to around 7% bodyfat and
>   I fully intend to reduce myself further to only 5%.
>       Most of the current bantor raging today concerning this topic is at best
>   opinion and assumption. As a matter of contention, current studies show that a
>   calorie restricted diet, which also means lowered fat intack, is the healthiest
>   way to go. Rats are shown to live five times longer than other rats not on
>   calorie restricted diets.

>   Dan S.


Please don't forget that ideal bodyfat percentage for women is NO LOWER than
12%, and should be higher for pregnant and lactating females.  For males, there
is no problem with having a bodyfat percentage of 5% or 7%, as long as you are
on a controlled food diet (the word 'diet' here meant as food intake regimen,
not weight-reduction term) AND good exercise program.  I would guess that there
are many people in Somalia who have very low bodyfat percentages, but I would
not consider them to be necessarily healthy.

allen
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From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Subject: Re: Cheap substitute for Protein Drinks?
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.145748.7537@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:

|> Tell me, why does your protein drink have to be in powdered form?
|> What is wrong with simply taking some skim milk and a banana and
|> whipping them up in a blender?  Better yet, skim milk, one egg
|> (or powdered nonfat milk, if you like.... of course the egg will
|> blend bertter)), and one banana?  Who says that you have to get
   {stuff deleted}
|> 
|> Keith R

Well, I wanted something I could keep in a shaker bottle in my gym bag.
My intention was to try to keep something substantial for after workouts
when I may not be able to get home for a while (I'm on campus much of the day.).


Rod
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: How not to obfuscate the issue... (was Re: Abs Question)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:49:02 GMT

In article <AGRAWAL.92Dec23144133@lipari.usc.edu> agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal) writes:
>
>... stuff deleted
>   Keith R
>   >
>========================================================================
>
>In the above Edward Kennedy asked a simple question to which there was
>a simple reply, which I posted in another article. The reply to this
>by Keith R is totally out of context... does not answer the question
>at all and completely changes the focus of the question asked. EK was
>asking about how to tone his abs w/o increasing in size. KR's reply
>was on how to live a healthy lifestyle... how nixing the coffeee and
>drinking grapefruit juice could reduce my abs escapes me... Mind you!
>his question was not how to reduce bodyfat?
>
>Amitabh 
>
>PS: The only relief was that at least he did not ask EK to eat
>"Dolphin Free!!" tuna...

Okay Amitabh, you have got my dander up!
The bottom line is that _diet_ is the single most effective tool
at one's disposal when it comes to trimming one's waist, well,
diet and roadwork, and EK was already doing plenty of roadwork.
You can do sit-ups, crunches, leg raises, and any other ab work
that you can think of until you are blue-in-the-face, and still
undermine your best efforts by not eating properly.
Secondly, it is quite possible to have heavily developed abs and
_still_ have a very small waist.  Ab work does not thicken your
midsection.... poor eating habits do!  If you have handlebars,
a spare tire, or a gut, and you want to get your waistline down,
then you have to lose some bodyfat, plain and simple!  There is
simply no way around this, and ab work is _not_ gonna' do it!

Next time, think before you post!

Keith R
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From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson)
Subject: Re: My Milk Shake Recipe
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:45:53 GMT

In article <92364.145933U28022@uicvm.uic.edu> <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>   A while ago, there was a discussion about home-made
>high carb/protein low fat juices.  This is the latest concoction
>I have been using.  It's very tasty, filling and stops any craving
>I might have for chocolate.
>
>   Blend together:
>     1 whole banana, sliced, about 8" long (without peel, o'course)
>     I/2 an apple, peeled, chopped, about 3 1/4" in diameter
>     2 tablespoons honey
>     1 cup skim milk

Where's the chocolate?

>The nutritional breakdown is as follows:
>
>Food                Calories     Proteins    Carbohydrates   Fats
>                                    (g)          (g)          (g)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>1c. Skim Milk          85            8           12            0
>2 tbsp. Honey         130            0           34            0
>1/2 Apple             125           16            3            1
>1 Banana              105            1           27            1
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Total                 445           25           76            2
>% Calories from fat = 2*9*100/445 = 4.0%
>
>I forgot the book that I got this info from at home, so I can't
>give U the names of the authors.  The book is called "Nutrition,
>Concepts and Controversies."
>
>If anyone is interested, try out this shake.  It's very tasty
>and very low in fat.  Let me know what you think.

Well I want to know where you shop for those apples!

According to "The Complete Book of Food Counts" by Corinne T. Netzer,
one apple (2.75 inch diameter) has 72 cals, .2 gm protein (that's
two tenths), 19 gm carb, and .4 gm fat.

Your other numbers are certainly reasonable,
but basically you are drinking sweetened skim milk
with some fruit. It's no more a high protein drink
than a glass of skim milk alone.

If it curbs your desire for chocolate, however,
I'd say it was a good alternative.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
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From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: 16g protein in Apples???
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:13:25 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

Shit!  I'm going to stop eating tuna after my workouts and start eating apples!
Where did you get these high protein wonders of nature?
:)  just kidding.  Good recipe, however, apples only have about <1g of protein
in them.  If you want high protein in your shake, why not go out and buy a 
cheap can of 100% egg protein and throw a scoop in?

-Rob
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:29:27 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Dec21.031050.7295@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1h0181INN3dn@mirror.digex.com> backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges) writes:
>>I have addressed this subject on this newsgroup before.  Can anyone name even
>>ONE reputable source to back up the claim that steroids cause increased
>>aggression or anger or rage?  Nobody has ever cited a study for me that
>>verifies this claimed side-effect of steroids.

I'm sorry, you have got to be ignorant.  I'm all for more funding for R&D and
all that, but you do not need to waste money doing a stupid study on steroids
and aggression.  All you have to do is walk into your local Gold's.  Talk to 
people.  I have friends that are two and three years younger than me (18-21)
that are on steroids. Their attitudes SUCK and I can't stand being around them.
Every now and then they grab their sides or their chests in pain, because their
kidneys are so clogged and their cardiovascular system needs Roto Rooter!  
Someone I know is now in jail for beating the living shit out of some guy due
to a driving mistake made on a back road.  The guy lost his temper so bad, that
he put his fists through both windows and with windshield of this other guys 
car.  The other guy had two little babys in the back seat.  This guy I know take
s mega amounts of steroids.  But you're probably, right, he only lost his temper
because the other guy wouldn't shove the needle into his ass for him!  Wake up
and sniff the coffee pal.

> 
> Why should someone else be expected to do your work for you?
> Go to your local medical library and do a MEDLINE search on
> anabolic steroid use and aggression.
> 
> Increased aggressiveness is certainly recognized as a possible
> side effect of anabolic steroid use: it's been reported by users,
> by relatives of people using the drugs, and there are any number
> of substantiated reports of this phenomenon in the literature.
> This is not to say that it's guaranteed to happen; it depends on
> the individual and the amount of drug which is taken daily.
> This is not controversial.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Building Muscle
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:38:08 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Hi..  I just joined this newsgroup, which seemed appropriate, since I just
bought an exercise machine.  (It's like a Soloflex, in that it uses big
"rubber bands", but it was much, much cheaper.  (It's a Weider.))

I've been exercising on it religiously, but I've got a few questions for the
Usenet experts.  :)

In a couple months I'll be going back to school, and I won't be able to take
this exercise machine with me.  While in school I'm not sure if I'll have
access to weights (or time to use them, anyway).  Will all of my hard work
so far go down the drain?  (I guess my question is, if you build up muscle,
but then don't exercise as regularly, does that muscle go away or turn
into fat?)

Also, are these cross trainers (like Soloflex) that rely on the flex-bands
any good?  Any advice on how to use them?

Finally, sometimes I can exercise on it daily (same exercises) and not get
sore.  I've heard that you shouldn't exercise muscles that are sore, but is
it OK to do exercises daily if not sore?  Or does not being sore mean that
one isn't lifting enough?

Thanks for any info..

Scott
  (mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil)
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From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Originator: glex@nitro
Keywords: Is being over in trouble
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:27:10 CST


In article <1992Dec29.221241.25924@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs) writes:
> 
> According to the charts my target heart rate for working out should
> be 135 -165 but I frequently find myself going at 170s or 180s.
> Is this dangerous?  I could slow down but then I don't feel I'm 
Try the "talk test".  If you can talk without gasping for breath every
other word you're pushing too hard.   Since you want the "best" workout
you have to be in the aerobic range, sometimes heart rate is not a 
good indicator.
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
From: tdhinson@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Abs
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Dec21.124705.14730
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

The item reproduced below asks some basic questions about working the
abs.  The question I have is this:  if most sources say do _not_ work
the same muscle group on consecutive days, why are abs an exception?
Many routines I have seen say work the abs _every_ day.  How come?

Thanks,

-- Tom

In article <1992Dec10.175918.15322@cci632.cci.com>, afh@cci632.cci.com (Andrew Halperin) writes:
> Since this is the n+1 time this has been brought up I will ask that
> replies be e-mailed to me rather than posted. First a little background.
> I have been lifting and seriously working out for about 1.5 years. I 
> workout 6 times a week with a mix of both anaerobic and aerobic 
> exercise. My major muscle group development has been very favorable
> with the exception of my abs. Now before we go wild here is some more
> info.
> 
> 		1) I have not read or have "Legendary Abs"
> 		2) I work abs out about 2-3 times a week 
> 		3) "work out" means 1-2 exercises 3 sets
> 		4) my obliques are also bigger (fat not muscle) than wanted
> 		5) I understand completely about spot reduction or lack
> 		   thereof
> 		6) I have a fast basal matabolic rate but seem to still
> 		   have a problem with my midsection
> 		7) I have found when I increase my aerobic exercise and
> 		   reduce my caloric intake my muscle growth/progress
> 		   is hindered.
> 
> So with that out of the way. Is there a happy median? Do I just have to
> blast my abs more. Should I go for the higher aerobic activity to cut
> the fat and then trim up the abs? Suggestions, reading, folk-lore are
> all welcome.
> 
> **********************************************************************
> *Andrew F. Halperin	 	  	    E-mail: afh@cci.com      *
> *Northern Telcom-NAS/CCI     		    Rochester, NY            *
> *Performance Modeling and Analysis Group    (716) 482-5000 ext. 2848 *
> **********************************************************************
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From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Cheap substitute for Protein Drinks?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.010850.1102@fcom.cc.utah.edu> freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier) writes:
>   Hello.  I need a little help.  I am trying to find a substitute for
>the incredibly expensive protein/carb drink powders currently occupying 
>shelf space at GNC's all over the country.  I would like this substitute
>to be high in protein and complex carbs, and it should be in powdered form,
>easily mixable with water.  Other than that, don't want to try to duplicate any
>of the other attributes of the commercial powders.  
>
>   So far, the best I have been able to come up with is a mixure of nonfat
>powdered milk, whole wheat flour, cocoa, and sugar.  It's palatable, if you
>don't mind the bitterness of whole wheat.  Any suggestions?
>
>Rod
>(freier@mail.physics.utah.edu)

Hi Rod!
Tell me, why does your protein drink have to be in powdered form?
What is wrong with simply taking some skim milk and a banana and
whipping them up in a blender?  Better yet, skim milk, one egg
(or powdered nonfat milk, if you like.... of course the egg will
blend bertter)), and one banana?  Who says that you have to get
your protein and your carbs at the same time?  You could start your
with a big bowl of hot cereal, like Oat Bran, Wheatena, or Oatmeal,
or some other such hot cereal that includes the natural fibre of
the grain.  You could include baked or boiled potatoes (with the skin),
or barley, or brown rice with or without beans, with your dinner.
What I am saying is that you can get more benefit from eating whole
foods, than trying to mix up a "magic bullet" elixir.

Keith R
From: bx938@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kal H. Dabous)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: testing
Date: 26 Dec 1992 13:23:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: Dabous
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This is
only a test
From: olevin@random.hwr.arizona.edu (Oscar L. Levin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Aerobic Results
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:50:09 GMT
Organization: Hydrology and Water Resources. UofA.

In article <1992Dec30.171014.19065@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>
>Question:
>
>1.  How long, what type of and at what intensity (pulse etc) of
>    aerobic exercise have you been doing?
Every day of the week, alternating between high impact and step.
Every class is 1hs and 15 of floor exercise (abs, triceps etc).
Always at least 45' at target level for my age, 27 for 10 sec.
The rest is warmup and cooldown. 

>
>2.  How long before you noticed results?
two weeks with a reduction of 1 lbs......
>
>3.  What weight did you start at, how much fat did you lose?
I start at 215lb. Now after 1year, 180lbs with 10% fat. I will
keep this as the optimum (for my height of 6'1")
>
>Steve R
OscarL.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Building Muscle
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:23:30 CST


In article <1992Dec30.150210.6247@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
Yo Keith... do us all a favor and learn how to DELETE text.. You don't have
to post the whole damn article...  It's a waste of money and time.

Thanks
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 11:57:11 CST
From: <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Yes, I was wrong abt. those apples. Sorry.

Hello again, all...

 I must have been out of it when I read the columns from the nutrition
book.  The data for apples was obviously wrong.  Sorry about that :( .
To all who wrote back to me: Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I must say, I was amused by my mistake (Where DID I get those
super-mega-ultra-cyber-protein-fortified apples from? :) ).

 I left the book at home today as well, so I'll post the correct data
in the evening with the book by my side, and triple-check it before
hitting the post key.

 Again, thanks a lot for pointing this out.
Be happy, Keep healthy :)

Aijaz

   X X X        X X X    Aijaz A. Ansari             U28022@uicvm.uic.edu
                                    The above are my opinions and
=@   =####=   @=                   not necessarily anyone else's.
                 "Hey! Don't slam those dumbells on my computer!"
   X X X        X X X    458 Playing uproariously can help unhealthy kids
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