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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bengals: What the hell was that last 60 seconds?
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:02:08 GMT
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Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

You could feel it in the air.. it felt just like the Chicago
game.  Fourth quarter comeback 1 minute left in the game 
Bengals with the ball then... WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?? Those
had to be some of the worst plays I've ever seen called in
football in a 2 minute drill!!!  I mean I agree Fenner did
run 47 yards in 3 plays not more than 5 minutes earlier but
that didn't mean it was going to work at the end.  So they
send him up the middle of the field with no time outs!!?!?!
What the hell *was* that???  Sheehs.. Oh well, done bitching.

Alex

p.s. Can't have a letter without saying Boomer sucks.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bizarre play in CARDS/FALCONS game
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:19:23 GMT
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Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1e99qrINNeic@chnews.intel.com> sramirez@hopi.intel.com (Steve Ramirez) writes:
>Does anyone have an opinion on the interception-lateral-lateral-fumble
>play by the Falcons which was recovered by the Cards on about the Falcon
>2, but rewarded to the Falcons because the refs said that Sanders momentum
>carried him into the end zone, so the play was whistled dead? 
>
>I'm not too big on all the rules, but I don't see how just stepping into the
>end zone would make a play automatically be dead, I thought he wa at least
>going for a touch back or a return, especially with all the laterals.


I had the same thoughts, but here is how I think they made the call. It was
a clear case of Deion's momentum taking him into the endzone, so at that
point unless he comes out of the endzone and then goes back into it, there
can be no safety. So even the lateral to McKyer and the handoff back to
Deion are not important. The key then is was Deion down before he intentionally
fumbled the ball forward(apparently thinking it was going to be a safety if
Randall Hill tackled him) ? I assume the refs ruled that he was down so there
was no fumble and its a touchback. I think that would be the correct ruling.

To be honest Hill did appear to have Deion wrapped up so they could rule
his momentum was stopped, but I don't think his knee was down yet when he
fumbled. It was probably already blown dead before the fumble.

Very dumb play by Deion, could have been a disaster, but it all could have
been avoided if Chandler hadn't underthrown Hill who had 2 steps on Deion
in the endzone(the ball hung up and Deion recovered for the pick). 

Bizarre play.




Russ Smith
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"What an angry clown!" -- Jerry Seinfeld

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 11:20:25 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers still suck

Like you said you watched only a few plays.
Miami had so many penalties on them (more than 90 yds overall), and they
did seem to have missed some.
But the MNF announcers were definitely not partial to anyone (same can't be
said of u and me?).  For example, Kelly definitely grounded the ball on their
last drive and was never called for it, and the announcers went on for
a few minutes about that.  I felt it was the officials who sucked.
But you are partially true, the MNF announcers still suck!
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 19 NOV 92 09:06:37    

In article <BxxFK6.F47@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes...

>In an earlier posting somebody had mentioned that the Vikings'
>magic number in the NFC-Central is 3. It is 4 for a win 
>and 3 for a tie. Since Greenbay & Chicago are 4-6 and with
                        ^^^^^^^^ Uh, that's Green Bay
>6 games remaining, they can at the maximum go 10-6 if they
>go 6-0, the rest of the way.  I think Minnesota should be
>more worried about the young Packers, who are playing some
>good football currently.

Earlier I said the Packers have the better chance than TB or Chicago 
of taking the division from the Vikes because they've lost to the 
Vikings only once.  The fact is that although the Packers hold the 
edge on the 1st tie breaker - head-to-head games - there's no way they 
can win the 2nd tie breaker which is division record.  The Pack is 
already 1-3 in the division and the Vikes are 6-1 with only one 
division game left.

This means the Vikings just have to finish 10-6 to win the division.  
ie. They could go 3-3 in their remaining games and still win it.

Kinda makes that week 1 OT win over the Packers look pretty big right 
now doesn't it?

JGH
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:29:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov18.134738.1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca> kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca writes:
>I checked the paper for the odds today and found two games
>listed as follows:
>
>N.Y. Giants v Philadelphia,off
>L.A. Raiders v Denver,off
>
>What does the "off" mean? 
>
>KM

Probably that since neither New York's or Denver's QB situation had been
settled at this point (they both say their starters are fine but they took
some nasty hits), lines on these teams are up in the air.

satish nair
go giants


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Subject: Chargers win in middle of moronic "fans" 
Distribution: world
Organization: Richard Clyne (Home System)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:00:08 +0000


In article <1992Nov16.234209.18782@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu writes:

>
>In article <41050@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)> writes:
>>
>>
>>SAN DIEGO 14  BROWNS 13
>>
>>
>>Chargers pull out a victory?!! Wow.. I thought I would never say that. Their
>>forte is to pull out defeats. 
>>
>>I felt going into this game that SD had a chance. And indeed they did. Two
>>strong defensive units. Two offenses that have played well in patches. The
>>X factor was the stadium and the weather.. and it was snowing like hell. 
>>
>>Nowhere have I seen such moronic behaviour from a bunch of imbecile fans than
>>in the dog-pound in Cleveland. Nice outfits, nice woofing... but they are a
>>bunch of IDIOTIC BOZOS. They kept pelting the SD players with snowballs 
>>everytime they could. The WRs would run routes and get pelted. The punter,
>>the kicker, the team would get pelted everytime they were close. Play 
>>was stopped once to give them a warning, but it kept going on and on. When
>
>I saw where snowballs could've (if they had better aim) actually knocked
>a Charger TD pass out of the air.
>
>If something like this did happen, do you think that the refs could call
>a pass interference on the home team, sorta like the noise rule???
>Whaddya think?

The refs have the power in the rules to award a TD if a sure TD is stopped by
an out of game event.

I seem to remember that one year in Cleveland, the teams swapped ends during
a drive to allow the visiting team to finish the drive without being pelted
with missiles.

Here in England if a soccer crowd did that, the team would be forced to play
behind closed doors, or have games automatically ruled as losses!
>
>
>==================================================>=============================
>Matt Brockman              NFL: Go Steelers!           > mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
>                          WLAF: Go, Go, Glory!
>                           AFL: Go Thunderbolts!
>==================================================>=============================
>
>
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:47:02 GMT

In article <BxzCr9.J06@rice.edu> carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne) writes:
>Despite the fact that the Bills haven't won the Super Bowl, they do have one thing on the NFC "gods" you worship, consistency over several years.
Consistency over how many years?

Geez, the current Bills didn't have a winning record until 1988. The Redskins
have had 9 winning seasons in the past decade. The Giants? 6 of the last 8.
The 49ers? the last 9.

I don't see how 4 out of 4 is more consistent than 9 out of 9 or 9 out 
of 10.

>After XXV - Bills, kicked butt next year.  Giants, whats a football?
>After XXVI - Bills, currently first in AFC.  Redskins, struggling for wildcard.
>Some NFC teams, eh?

Don't you see a pattern here? 

An NFC team wins a SB, then a letdown, then contends for SB again, then 
wins a SB again ...

An AFC team loses a SB, then loses another SB, then a letdown, then
contends for SB again, then loses a SB again ....

What I am afraid is, if the Bills don't make it to the SB this year, 
they will make it next year, matching up against the 49ers, and logically,
help the 49ers to repeat. Isn't this a horrible mirror image of 1989?

Then we'll hear no end to the rantings and ravings from the likes of John 
Gloria and Mike Zimmers ....

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:46:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.010311.24644@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Whew! The 49ers pulled out a huge win over the Saints in a game they
>probably did not deserve to win. [ stuff deleted ]
>
Why is there always someone out there that cannot call a WIN a
WIN. The Niners WON and thus, they deserved it. IMHO, it is more
apropos to state, "The Saints deserved to LOSE!" The Saints could
have probably won the game if they had not choked at the end
and MISMANGED their timeouts and the CLOCK!.
>
>Question : why were the 49ers in such a hurry with 1st and goal at the
>seven and 50 seconds left? Huddle up and let the clock run a little bit
>for crying out loud! Fortunately it didn't end up costing them.
>
Perhaps it was the URGENCY of the situation, try and score ASAP.
But, as you say, it didn't end up costing the Niners.
>
> [ stuff deleted ]
>Whatever, the 49ers did what it takes to win, which is what winners do.
>
Couldn't have said any better myself. :-)
>>
>Hats off to the Saints. I'm sure glad I'm not a Saints fan; I'd be
>pulling my hair out after the two losses to the 49ers which easily
>could have gone their way. Face the facts, though : the 49ers are
>the better team in the long run.
>
Yes, hats off the to the Saints! They certainly had me in fits
throughout the game.
>
>Great day all the way around for the 49ers : Saints lose, Cowboys lose,
>Vikings lose, Eagles lose, Redskins lose. And, to put the icing on the
>cake, Bears lose!
>=============================================================================
The NINERS were the only team with a winning record to WIN 
yesterday. YES! Thank you football GODS. :-)


-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 'Skins Offense loses the game
Date: 15 Nov 1992 20:46:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu wrote:
>	In reference to the running problem, I think John Settle is supposed to
>be a power runner, isn't he?  What happened to him in preseason?  He's was
>supposed to end up as the Redskins new Gerald Riggs this season, but Green beat
>his but out.  Any Skins fans out there know where he's hiding?  

He's hiding on injured reserve (knee).

Jon
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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.131645.8779@iscsvax.uni.edu>, lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu 
	writes...

>O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they were
>clearly the better team.  I agree that the Bills did win the game and I'm not
>saying that they didn't deserve to win, but if the Dolphins can avoid things
>like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want to
>know is how in hell did Buffalo win?

Gee, I dunno...let's try this:

	--Kept Miami out of the end zone after the first 2 drives.

	--Thurman Thomas.

	--Thurman Thomas.

	--Thurman Thomas (get the picture?!?).

	--Numerous penalties against the Dolphins (including holding penalties
	on nearly every kick.)

	--The Bills are the better team.

	--Steve Christie is better than Pete Stoyanovich (though Stoy is good.)

	--Don Beebe can catch the clutch pass.

	--Keith Jackson is a fat hot dog.

	--No turnovers for the Bills.

	--64 yards on 19 carries (Dolphins' rushinh stats.)

	--JD Brown is a lame coverage man.

	--No Offerdahl, No Defense.

>        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
>only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
>good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.  

Oh really?  I see...I guess that those 130+ yards he had were all in my head...
silly me!

Please tell me you are kidding here...

>        As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
>TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
>going!

64 yards on 19 carries is *NOT* keeping the running game going.  In fact, Higgs
averaged (I believe) 2.8 yards per carry.

The Bills are third in the league in rushing defense (by total yards allowed.)
San Diego leads the league; San Francisco is second.

The Bills are second in the league in opponents' average yard per rush.  San
Diego (I believe) is first.

>        As a Dolphin fan, I'd just like to say that I think the Bills got
>lucky.  Granted, they pulled it off, but not my playing well.  Hey Shula...

I think the Bills were robbed out of a TD somewhere in there...the score should
have been worse, and Marino *SHOULD* have been penalized.

>Good Game!!!!!
> 
>    Kurt
>        
>(LYLE5741@iscsvax.uni.edu)

"Any day now, Syracusans can expect regional insults to be sent up from South
Florida, just as they were toward Buffalonians.  People from the 'Cuse should
remember South Floridians look upon dwelling in a warm climate as if it were 
some sort of accomplishment worthy of a Nobel Prize.  It really doesn't require
all that much expertise.  Lizards do it all the time."--Larry Felser

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: txa4331@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Scott Zolak and the Maryland QB Factory
Originator: txa4331@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:37:46 GMT

In article <27565@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) writes:
>
>  Speaking of the Maryland QB Factory, there wer no less than 4 former
>Terp QB's starting in Sunday's games.
>    Scott Zolak - Patriots
>    Stan Gelbaugh - Seahawks
>    Boomer Esaison - Bengals
>    Neil O'Donnell - Steelers
>
     Frank Reich - The Buffalo Bills.

-Tanmay
>K. Scott Day   (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Reno Line (was Re: Niners 21, Saints 20)
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <1992Nov18.232416.26915@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>Furthermore, if the Niners were playing the Vikes or Cowboys this
>Sunday at a neutral site, who do the think the bookies would favor?


Who the bookies favor, and by how much, has very little to do with
what they think the outcome of the game will be. The bookies set 
the spread based on one thing.....getting an equal amount of money
in on each team. That way, the bookie ~always~ wins. In the case
of the Niners and the Nevada books, S.F. is often favored by an
"inflated" amount to encourage some betting on the `dog. 

For example, the Niners were 6.5 pt. favorites in last week's game
with the Saints. This did ~not~ mean that the bookies thought the
Niners would win by a touchdown; rather, this was the number they
needed to put up on the board in order to get some Saints money
in the door.


al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 12
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:45:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.155648.1342@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:

   In article <1313@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
   >The final tally on last week was 6-7-1 against the spread.  Not that
   >bad for a crazy week in the NFL.  The point spreads generated by my
   >algorithm seem to have gone down some this week.  There may be some
   >gradual decline which occurs through the course of the season that
   >needs to be tuned.  Here are my prognostications for this weekend:
   >
   >Tampa Bay      17
   >San Diego      24
   >

   This game will be won by whoever can execute their running game. 

Though cobb has certainly helped a lot this year, I'd say that the TB running
game is closest to execution.

Bill
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Subject: Re: THE BET III
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:56:23 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <1723@niktow.canisius.edu>, bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes: 
> The Bet III.. include me on the AFC side..

Done deal.  Here is a repeat of the terms of THE BET III.  There is still
time for new bettors and the survivors of THE BET II to participate.

Last week, on the heels of a dominant NFC performance, I wrote:

> In looking at NFL_1992 Scoreboard's ranking of teams, I was struck by
> the fact that 4 of the teams in the Top 10 were from the NFC East.
> 
> In fact, 7 out of the Top 10 were in the NFC, indicating that at least one
> of the top 10 teams in the league will not even make it to the playoffs,
> whereas AFC stragglers like Cleveland and Kansas City will likely get
> playoff berths.
> 
> This gave me a great idea for a bet, the most vicious type of bet possible.
> Really down to basics here.  It is AFC vs. NFC: Which conference will win
> the Super Bowl?
> 
> Those NFC fans who dare to bet that a team possibly not even their own
> will beat any AFC representative should take this bet.  Likewise, those
> AFC fans who are convinced that an AFC team's strength is equivalent to 
> that of any team the NFC can send to the Bowl should take this bet also.
> 
> The loser of this bet will not be able to post ANYTHING (woof or otherwise)
> to r.s.f.p until the opening kickoff of the 1993 regular season.  The winners
> will have unlimited woofing and anti-woofing privileges, as well as the
> opportunity to post preseason previews of their favorite team, flames of
> stupid prediction posts, and so on.
> 
> I propose we name this "THE BET III".
> 
> The stakes are high, but I'm bettin'.

                           Name                 Pick
                           ---------------------------
                           Greg Franklin        NFC
                           Barry Trottier       NFC
                           Jason Bittle         AFC
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills best in NFL--unquestionably!!! Yup
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <By1JGD.CtJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes...

>The BIlls have not lost a playoff game at home since I don't know
>when.  

	The Bills have never lost a playoff game at Rich Stadium.

>Bruce, a Bills fan

Jon
From: freshlt@quig17.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:27:14 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Nov15.154613@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W  
Turner) writes:
> In light of the early results
> 
> Houston    (17) - MINNESOTA (13)
> KANSAS CITY (35) - Washington (16)
> PITTSBURGH (17) - Detroit (14)
> 
> maybe the subject should be changed to 
> "NFC TEAMS STINK"
> 
> If DENVER beats the giants it'll be 
> a sweep for the AFC this week.
> 
> R Turner
> (Go CYCLONES, HURRICANES & DOLPHINS)
> (Marv Seiler for the Heisman)


	Consider it a sweep by the AFC.  The Bronco's defeated the Giants  
last night.  Hostettler got knocked out late.  Should be a great game  
tonight.  I hope the AFC team wins  ;-).

			Tim
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Scott Zolak and the Maryland QB Factory
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:59:32 GMT
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Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.8.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU>, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
> I'm not a Pats fan, but I watched the closing interview with the QB (16) 
> when he told the story of getting Montana's chin strap in High School, and 
> then being the water boy when he was in college, and getting a game ball 
> from Montana that said "See you in the NFL".
> He also said he rubbed the ball before every game he ever played.  
> And only took 16 (Joe's number) since his fav (13) was taken.
> I like interviews like that.  ITs nice to see where these guys come from.

That was Scott Zolak, another product of the Maryland QB Factory(tm).  Is
it me, or have we being having some serious QB turnover as of late?  I mean
the Giants now have 2 no-name QBs....
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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