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From: babu@weierstrass.WPI.EDU (Babu Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:45:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <KMEYER.92Dec15122724@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:

>Which raises a question I've been meaning to ask: does it take much 
>longer to fly to India through Europe (fly east from the U.S.) as opposed
>to flying to India through Asia (fly west from the U.S.) ??


	I am not sure about this, but I always thought that if you fly 
	from somewhere on the east coast, its better to go via europe,
	while from the west coast, its better to go over the pacific.

	Anyone know the actual milages?

	Babu

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From: 6197110@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Delta Ticket
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:52:47 GMT

I purchased a roundtrip (Delta) ticket for my boyfriend this summer to
travel between Sacramento and Colorado Springs.  As it turns out, he was
unable to make the trip, so now I have this ticket left over.  I talked to
Delta and they told me I have (in effect) $300 credit (the price of the
ticket), minus a $25 fee for rescheduling, for 1 year from the date of the
original ticket.  I don't foresee doing any traveling by July 1993, and
my boyfriend doesn't have the money.  I would like to recoup some of this
money if I can.  The ticket has his name on it, and Delta tells me he's the
only one who can use it or I'm out the money.

Is this true?  Any suggestions on what I can do?

Please email me, as I don't get a chance to read this newsgroup very often.

Thanks!

Ramona
From: brianm@cara.ma.hw.ac.uk (Brian Moretta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Flights to Iceland from UK
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:46:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

Can anyone give me info on the above. A friend told me that at some
point over the summer there are really cheap deals (something to do
with full planes to the UK returning empty) at about half the normal
price. He can't remember any details and any travel agents that I 
have asked know nothing. Does anyone out there have more details ??
Even just the airline would be helpful.

Thanks in anticipation.

Brian Moretta 
brianm@cara.ma.hw.ac.uk

Dept Actuarial Maths
Heriot-Watt University
Edinburgh
From: rdorich@jade.tufts.edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airfares Published or On-line?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:16:38 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

are they really posted somewhere?
That'll be excellent!
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From: amdease@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Ann Dease)
Subject: Upgrade Coupons
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:45:00 GMT


I have (2) one way first class upgrade coupons with Northwest
that I'd like to sell.  I posted this fairly recently however
the deal fell through...They're on "sale" now.
Email me for me info.

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From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Travel Agents' Associations
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:17:42 GMT

Does anyone know the names of some professional travel agents'
organizations/associations and addresses or phone numbers?
Thanks, Kay Jones
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Subject: Re: A new newsgroup
From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:55:16 PST
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Dec13.020143.2825@athena.mit.edu> zzkaru@athena.mit.edu (Zoher Z Karu) writes:
>
>Hi folks,
>
>     Wouldn't it be nice to have a new newsgroup called something like
>rec.travel.air.announce?  The purpose would be for users to place critical
>announcements relating to air travel that would be of use to all, rather than
>having to wade through the several hundred messages that seem to appear every
>week on this group.  Some examples:

I support this idea...  It is very beneficial to everyone...
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From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Credit card Freq. Flier
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:46:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu (chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu) wrote:
: There probably should be a FAQ about this but.....
: Is there a list of Credit cards which offer frequent flier mileage bonuses?
: (I'm thinking about paying my med sch. fees with one and then using my
: financial aid to pay my bill....wonder if that can be done?)<Grin>

Yes, if you time it right.  I charged my undergraduate tuition each
semester (about $4000).  When the financial aid came in (loans, grants,etc)
it would be a surplus.  Then I would just ask for a check from the Fin Aid
office.

I used VISA at the time.

--Ken
From: anaro@babel.ling.upenn.edu (Anthony J. Naro)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: cheap air fares in Europe
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:23:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Anyone have a good source for cheap air fares within Europe (i.e.,
Brussels-Paris-Madrid-Brussels or similar?  

Please reply to anaro@babel.ling.upenn.edu.  Thanks
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From: serich00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson)
Subject: need CHEAP European airfare
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:28:46 GMT

Greetings Folks..

I am in need of a cheap air ticket from Luxembourg or Brussels to London  
or somewhere in northern England.  I've checked with a travel agent, and  
everything I've been quoted was just outrageous.

Best Regards,

Steve

(anyone know if British midland, or whatever they're called, has an office  
here in the states?)
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From: djablon@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J. Jablonski)
Subject: Re: Aircraft Type (was Re: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:05:55 GMT

>Something to keep in mind is that specific flights do not always have
>the same aircraft type on them year round.  There's a certain flight I
>take from Detroit to Los Angeles about once a month, and in the summer
>months the flight has an A320 on it; in the fall and winter, a DC-10.
>Printed schedules only reflect what aircraft type the carrier is
>currently using on the flight (The current NW schedule has the JFK-NRT
>flight listed as a 747-400, for example).
>
>So I agree with Ken: call the airline if it makes a big difference.
>

The day of the week may matter, too.  NW 390 DTW-BOS runs an A320 every day
except Sunday, when it is an MD-80.  I know NW, Delta, and Continental do 
this, and I would imagine others do, too.  This usually won't even show up 
in the flight schedules valid for the date of travel.

You can find out what the aircraft will probably be by calling the airline
up to 60 days in advance for seat assignments.  Once they start giving out
seat assignments they *usually* do not change the aircraft.

You won't know for sure until you're on the plane...


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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:39:01 GMT

vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri) wrote: 
->I am likely to travel a lot in continental US and I would like to choose an
->airlines that honours my trip to India also into their FF program.

TWA is partnered with Air India ...

->I thought of Delta so that I can use Singapore Airlines miles to India to be 
->used for FF progarm. Correct me if I am wrong.

it's not clear that you can fly SQ to india on award travel.  call
delta's frequent flyer program and ask.

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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest Airlines
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:17:13
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: Naushad Hussain's message of Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 23:18:06 EST

On Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 23:18:06 EST, Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> said:

> I do a lot of International travel on Northwest.  I find them to be a very
> good Airline.  They do almost everything right and I have never been late for
> reasons other than Airport congestions.  I have quite a few WorldPerks
> coupons and is saving for more so that I can get a free ticket to Bangkok.
> I recently heard that they might be filing brankruptcy.  Can anyone verify
> if there is any truth behind this.  I would hate to see them go under.  I
> find them to be the best U.S. airline.  I called up the airline but they
> denied that they are filling bankruptcy.  Any information will be greatly
> appreciated.

Of course, there are no guarantees with any Frequent Flyer program: any
airline could go bankrupt; an airline could stay in business but
restructure its frequent flyer program; it could discontinue service to
the destination you want to fly to, etc., etc.

I'm also a bit concerned about Northwest: I have a big stake in them
for frequent flyer mileage.  However, from what I've seen in this
newsgroup and in the business news, bankruptcy for Northwest will not
happen soon, and is unlikely to happen at all.  Northwest just got an
enormous influx of cash from a number of sources: KLM Royal Dutch
Airlines, loan guarantees from the state of Minnesota, and big
concessions with its unionized employees.  It also just lowered its
liabilities by getting out of contracts to purchase aircraft from
Airbus Industrie, and delaying options to purchase aircraft from
Boeing.  KLM, in particular, has a big stake in keeping them in
business since they are getting cozier and cozier with Northwest in
terms of joint marketing and operations.

It would be pretty stupid for any airline to discontinue their FF
program during restructuring, since that is one of the few things that
keeps customers loyal to an airline.  In some ways, you might say that
Pan Am's FF program got better just before they went under, since for a
while you could transfer (or use?) Pan Am miles on United and then a
while later you could use them on Delta.

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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: CNN Airport channel
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:55:04 GMT

hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:

>Ted> == Ted Koppel <tkoppel@cassandra.cair.du.edu> 

> Ted> I had occasion to spend a little while in Atlanta's Hartsfield
> Ted> Airport earlier this week ... and I was disappointed to see that
> Ted> they have mounted TVs at every seating area at every Delta gate
> Ted> (concourses A and B) that are running CNN Aiport Channel the whole
> Ted> time.

>Well, this is an easy answer. It's simple: Ted Turner (owner of CNN,
>WTBS, CNN-Headline News, TNT, the Atlanta Braves, and I'm sure other
>ventures, too) is a very powerful man in Atlanta. If he wants to pay
>Delta (who is the biggest airline in Atlanta-Hartsfield and thus has the
>most "clout") $$$$$$$ (And I'm sure it's a substantial sum) to get name
>recognition for CNN, and get people hooked on it so that when they go
>home or to their hotel that they sit down and watch it, then he will! 

Well, In traveling over Thanksgiving, I had the occasion to see the Airport
Channel in Minneapolis and also in Cincinatti all over the airport- so it
is not just the Ted Turner/Atlanta connection that is the reason. In watching
the Airport channel, it says that "This broadcast is brought yto you by
this airport, this airline, and CNN".  The thing that most annoyed me was that
the channel KEPT going over and over the same thing.  As I was waiting in the
lounge at Cincinatti for my Northwest flight to MSP, I watched a story on
the Airport Channel, and ten as I was de-planing at MSP, I glanced at a
TV and saw the SAME story.  Then after I waited for awhile for my bags, called
somone, and 3went to American Airlinew to wait for a friend, I saw the SAME
story again while I was waiting fdor him.. *argh*. That was one thig that
bothered me.

Well, talk to you later

-Noah
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From: gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (iwan gunawan)
Subject: Need info on aircraft type
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:45:00 GMT

Hi,

Could somebody with a Northwest time table check for me what aircraft
is used on the following flights:

NW 246 : PHX - DTW
NW 996 : DTW - ALB

NW 1519 : ALB - DTW
NW 249  : DTW - PHX

Please reply by email. Thank's so much for any info.

-- iwan gunawan
   gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu
From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:48:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:

>>>vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri) wrote: 
>>>->I am likely to travel a lot in continental US and I would like to choose an
>>>->airlines that honours my trip to India also into their FF program.

>Northwest allows U.S. residents to accumulate mileage for KLM flights.

>Which raises a question I've been meaning to ask: does it take much 
>longer to fly to India through Europe (fly east from the U.S.) as opposed
>to flying to India through Asia (fly west from the U.S.) ??

It depends from where in the US.  From the east coast going through
Europe is faster.  One way to reason this is that IST is 10.5 hours
ahead of EST (therefore it's 13.5 "hours equivalent of distance" the
other way).  From the West Coast it's the other way around.  However, 
given the airline schedules through East Asia have long layovers
in most cases, I believe the fastest connection from SFO is actually
through Frankfurt with a two hour layover.


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From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: Frequent Flyer Magazine
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:50:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.201751.12803@colorado.edu> cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes:
>John Levine (johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us) wrote
>
>=>  ...[FF magazine] comes along with any version of the OAG Pocket Flight
>=>  Guide.  Call them at 800-323-3537 for prices and such.  I've heard that
>=>  it's possible to subscribe just to Frequent Flyer, but have no idea of
>=>  terms or prices.
>
>I just called, and it is $24 per year.  This is $2 per issue.  If you
>get OAGs with the magazine, i would expect it will be more.
>-- 
>
>charlie shub  cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU       -or-         (719) 593-3492     
>on leave at the University of Iowa  cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739


	Yes, the OAG pocket guide is published every month, and
subscribtion price is $82. (which includes the FF magazine) I called
them as well to get the info.

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From: cmdavis@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Hard-drives and disks in X-ray
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:21:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <92350.003011IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Naushad Hussain) writes:
>I will be travelling to Asia over the weekend and I plan to carry a
>laptop computer with me.  I was just wondering if the hard drive or
>any disks are affected by the X-ray machines.  Any information will
>be greatly appreciated.
>   Thanx in advance,
>  Naushad Hussain

Diskettes will be affected adversely.  I don't know if the metal
casing on the computer is sufficient to protect the hard drive.
Have them both checked by hand.

- Chris

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From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Subject: Re: forsale/wanted postings in rec.travel.air
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:07:09 GMT

In article <HROSE.92Dec10151942@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
> chorley> == chorley  <chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu> 
> 
>  chorley> In article <HROSE.92Dec9125517@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
>> rec.travel.marketplace has been around for over a month now, and yet
>> people are *STILL* posting forsale/wanted postings to rec.travel.air! 
>> 
>> PLEASE!! post your forsale/wanted postings to rec.travel.marketplace
>> instead! 
> 
>  chorley> But, Trillian, some of us can't get rec.travel.marketplace.
> 
> So yell at your newsadmin! It went through the proper voting procedure,
> it passed! If your newsadmin never saw it, tell him/her to yell at their
> uplink-newsfeed. 
> 
	    But, Trillian, some of us are  ***very*** low down in the food
chain and have very small voices.

     DNC
From: gkn@nic.cerf.net (Gerard K. Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: CNN Airport channel
Summary: Other places, too.
Keywords: TV, Airports
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:40:44 GMT
Organization: TGV, Inc.

In article <Bz3qq5.AHI@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>  Seriously, I think this is reprehensible.   I don't watch TV at 
>  home so I find it particularly irritating to be subjected to its 
>  idiotic babble as a captive audience someplace else.   I hope it
>  just reflects CNN's corporate presence in Atlanta and is not part
>  of a larger trend.  

It's showing up in other airports as well -- it's at MSP (I was there
a couple of weeks ago).

I don't watch much TV either.  I've found that ignoring it in public
places works well.


Enjoy French Polynesia -- sounds nice.



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From: barrk@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Keith Barr)
Subject: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:54:16 GMT

Hey there everyone,
     I am traveling on UAL fl. 918 from IAD to LHR in February, and I was
wondering what type of equipment is used on that flight.  OAG says 747,
and UAL says the same.  Has anyone been on that flight, and noticed if it
was a -200, or a -400?  The same question applies to flight 919 from LHR
to IAD.  I assume that since no specific type is mentionoed for either it
means that I could have a 747-200 or -400...is this a correct assumption?

     Thanks in advance.
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: online airlines database?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:07:06 GMT

In <1992Dec14.062320.20778@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Leonidas Hepis) writes:

>Can I search the database which travel agents use to find if there are
>any tickets available on any airlines on a particular date?

Yes, if your agent uses Sabre (American Airlines owned system).  If
they use Covia (United's) I don't think so.

>Would I be able to make a reservation directly? 

Yes, if you have registered with the system.

>Could I connect to the database through Internet?

No.  All the systems are there to make a profit and the information is
not given away.  You can connect through CompuServe or Prodigy (and
maybe some others I don't know about).
From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Hard-drives and disks in X-ray
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:39:17 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

 >In article <92350.003011IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
 >
 > I will be travelling to Asia over the weekend and I plan to carry a
 > laptop computer with me.  I was just wondering if the hard drive or
 > any disks are affected by the X-ray machines.  Any information will
 > be greatly appreciated.

I've travelled extensively with my laptops over the years.  When the
particular airport security allows it, I ask them to do a "hand check"
of the laptop, instead of pushing it thru the xray machine.  However, not
all airports are that accomodating, so my machine has gone thru a fair
number of xray machines.

As I understand it, the xrays are a "cumulative" effect.  You shouldn't
notice any data loss after 4-5 times thru, but if you don't reorg your
disks, you could start slipping bits.  Much of this is also dependant
on how strong the xray machines are; I have heard that the xrays outside
the US are sometimes much stronger, but can't substantiate that claim.

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: UA Round the World Dropped
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:47:40 GMT

The paper this morning notes that the proposed round the world service
by United will not be established due to problems with the pilots union.
-- 
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Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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