HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: One sure way to prevent a teen abortion? (was Re: Governor Casey for '96 President?
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:48:14 GMT

chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>>> Dan Bredy is gone and there's not a damned thing you can do when I
>>> laugh about it, except bitch, gripe and complain!

Actually, several of us have posted articles for him.  So there is
something we can do besides "bitch, gripe and complain."

>> The more you do that, the more you resemble the smoking gun.

> Aw, and if that were true, we don't have to remind you people of the
> same act you people tried on me just a few months back. At least Dan
> Bredy got reported for something he did, that was a blatant violation
> of USENET rules (claiming to represent his site).

No.  He violated his _employer's_ rules.  Can't you keep your story straight?

> You people like to report people for things they're _NOT_ doing, over small
> shit like "teacher, teacher, he's posting as someone else!" I believe the
> word that describes your people's actions, is a _PRANK_.

If you believe that someone's investigation into the true identity of Dennis
Hall was just a prank, then why the conniption?   

> Hell, we watched your hypocritical guns firing off for months and
> months, with regards to reporting people for actions. The next time
> you accuse anyone of reporting Dan Bredy, we'll remember the Dennis
> Hall prank your buddies pulled on us at CSUS.

Who's 'we'?  (ChaneyHall to himself: "I'm not schizophrenic.  Neither am I.)

> No regard for the enemy.

Oh, that's heart warming.  A free clue, Steve: despite your unsound logic,
despite your confrontational and ad hominem writing style, and even despite
your propensity for bellowing like a bull with shingles, we don't regard you
as an enemy.  Definitely a liability to the pro-life movement, but not an
enemy.

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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: SOME USEFUL STATISTICS
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:55:48 GMT

<BrpuyA.A5M@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve "edified" Franklin) said:
>In <q0cm=rj.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>
>>The U.S. death rate from surgical abortion is 0.4 per 100,000 abortions.
>
>The U.S. death rate for the unborn CHILD is ~100% in all abortions
>recorded. 

Can you provide evidence where the records of abortions describe "the death
of a child?"  Keep in mind that you have to provide evidence that they ALL
include reference to "the death of a child."


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel,
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), and Diana (Sorceress), 
and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it all.
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From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Dear Operation Rescue
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:29:05 GMT

patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.182713.12662@uceng.UC.EDU> vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu (Gregory S Clausen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul18.120912.12090@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>>I hope he doesn't have the notion in his little head that [OR] going to come
>>>down here and cause trouble during the Republican convention, either.  HPD
>>>won't look too kindly on foreigners coming from outside Texas specifically
>>>to cause trouble here -- and that's OR's game plan, as usual.
>>>(I don't feel like having my tax money used for the lodging of such slugs in
>>>the Harris County jail, even...)
>>
>>Houston will probably be as intelligent as Milwaukee by releasing murderers and
>>other sweethearts to make room for the true menace to society, OR.  

>I hope you're not betting your butt on it -- you just might be betting on
>the wrong side.  Personally, I think a few nights in the Harris County jail
>might impress the wisdom of minding one's own business on even the OR
>folks...

>-- 
>Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
>     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Houston Police Department the
same police department which has a union clause written into the contract
which specifically allows officers to refuse to participate in the 
removal of abortion clinic protesters?  Seems to me that at least one
major city police department had such a codicil in their contract, and I
sure thought it was Houston....

SK
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From: thssapk@iitmax.iit.edu (<[{((|-|))}]>)
Subject: Re: SOME USEFUL STATISTICS
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:21:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.133040.11862@bmw.mayo.edu> bmc@mayo.edu (Bruce Cameron) writes:
>In article <BrpuyA.A5M@cs.dal.ca>, franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve "edified" Franklin) writes:
>|> In <q0cm=rj.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>|> 
>|> >The U.S. death rate from surgical abortion is 0.4 per 100,000 abortions.
>|> 
>|> The U.S. death rate for the unborn CHILD is ~100% in all abortions
>|> recorded. 
>|> 
>
>Following this logic(?), one needs to point out that the U.S. 
>(or for that matter the World's) death rate is 100%. It's
>one death per one life.
>
Oh, how clever!!

It's too bad you forgot one thing:

Exactly how much of a 'life' does an unborn child
get to experience, before he is killed?

Ironically enough, your silly statistic, if turned
around, gives the perfect reasoning against abortion. 
We should try our best to make it 100%, one LIFE
for every DEATH.   We should make sure that 
EVERY person (and almost-person 8) gets a chance
to experience this world, as fully as possible, before
they dissappear, all too quickly, back into the void.

Later!!!

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From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Fetal Heartbeat (Re: Supreme Court)
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.201915.8925@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgarvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:

[Stuff about different claims about when fetal heartbeat begins]

}               The sidewalk harassers seem to have as much
}trouble with this as t.a. does.

I've noticed that too.  They aren't too clear on exactly what constitutes
an "abortion," either.  But an alarming number of them support legislation
against it, or candidates that promise to support such legislation against
it, whatever it is.  

Hmmmmm.  "We don't know what it is, but we sure are against it."

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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: some gods are _not_ creaters of all things, apparently
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:05:01 GMT
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In <1992Jul27.100948.28191@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com writes:

> In article <adams.712206042@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
> 
> >In my humble opinion, a woman 'creates' nothing.  God creates.  Sure, there
> >is a certain biological/physiological happenstance.  But since I believe
> >that the soul enters the body at conception, that life is only for God to
> >take, if He so choses.  But you miss my point, too.  I am pro-choice.  I
> >object to abortion on religious grounds, yet refuse to impose my religion
> >on anyone else.  

  Me too.

> Steve, I applaud your justification for remaining pro-choice
> despite your moral stance on abortion.  But tell me, when do
> identical twins get 'ensouled'?  Do they share a soul, or is one
> of them soulless?  If a second soul is introduced at the moment
> of division, which one gets the original soul?  This could be
> the stuff of which dreadful arguments are made between twin
> siblings.
> muriel
> standard disclaimer

  I'm not Steve, but I'll throw out an answer anyway.  If ensoulment occurs at
conception, why should not the soul be split betwixt the twins (or triplets,
or what have you), and proceed to become a full soul for each--a la a starfish.
Or maybe something completely different happens.

  If we presuppose a God for purposes of this question (you know, the One who
created Life, the Universe, and Everything), it seems silly to me for us to
place such limitations upon how he chooses to do things.

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: State Teaching (formerly: Pro-Choice Position?)
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.160822.25898@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jennifer@algol.astro.Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wesp) writes:
>cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>>And I'll state again that I have never encountered a sex education
>>class in any public school that did NOT teach that abstinence was 
>>the absolute ideal.  Has anyone else?
>
>I haven't.  I think the problem is that it's tough to take as many
>words and as much time talking about abstinance as you need to if you
>discuss the alternatives in any detail.  What the silly people who
>scream for the teaching of abstinance want is equal air time for
>their ideas.  But when all their ideas boil down to is "About sex -
>don't have any."  it's hard to spend a long time discussing
>techniques, No?
I have.

While I agree with Jennifer's and rocker's point, I must give
credit where credit is due and point out that my high school
dismal as it was, did NOT teach that abstinence was best.
-Ekr




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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: I'm a bit pissed...
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.abortion, forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>From article by vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu (Gregory S Clausen):

>> Of course it wouldn't.  A "product of conception" by definition does not
>> have a heart, or any other human characteristic for that matter.

>Oh for Pete's sake.  **I'm** a product of conception.

I could be realllll nasty here, but for once I'll restrain myself. Frau
F., you are the result of a product of conception, which is a zygote,
which, despite what some might argue, you are evidently not.

>And so are you.

Please keep your insults (resulting from ignorance) to yourself.

Ron

Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Abortion is a SIN against God!
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:29:23 GMT
 <1992Jul20.224532.1962@brandonu.ca> <1992Jul22.172455.24028@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <adams.711832512@spssig> <5636@catnip.berkeley.ca.us>
Organization: SPSS Inc.

tanj@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Ren and Stimpy's Love Child) writes:

>In article <adams.711832512@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>Religious convictions do not make law...thank God.
>Would that all of religious folks had this insight.  Goddess bless, and
>smooches too.
Thanx...;-)

>--Teddi
>---------------Another Catholic School Survivor (12 years!)---------------
Hmm..I only did 7 years in purgatory...;-)  I got myself tossed out!  On
purpose, but don't tell my mom! ;-)

 -Steve
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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Oh-no, not *that* one again!
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:49:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.003419.8862@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>You can try to sanitize it all you want, with "re-education", mental re-
>programming, redefinitions, and even insisting that English speaking Americans
>speak Latin.   But you cannot make the underlying truth of the horror of what
>you are advocating, the bloody dismemberment of millions of unborn children,
>go away.   No amount of whitewash will cover the bloodstains.
Of course not. Whitewash just makes a horrible mess on green scrubs.

What you need here is ERA Plus with the cleaning power of protein.
-Ekr

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From: dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter)
Subject: Re: THE REAL LOWDOWN ON "CLOT," "CLUMP OF CELLS," AND "FETUS"
Keywords: chorion, chorionic sac, fetus, abortion, miscarriage
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:31:38 GMT

nyikos@cc.uow.edu.au (peter nyikos) writes:
>> At the end I will put the Biblical quote, "I have set before you
>> death and life.  Choose life."  Can anyone supply the reference?

Check the 30th chapter of Deuteronomy.

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|   please; we ought to see what it will please them to do, before we       |
|___risk congratulations." -- Edmund Burke._________________________________|
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity
From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
Subject: vacation
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:22:21 GMT

I'll be on vacation until August 10.  I owe replies to several
people and will provide them when I get back.

Bill
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men
From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
Subject: Re: Tired of that subject line. "Pick the 'right' woman, John."
Organization: Where IS that DAMN pencil!
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:52:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.175046.4751@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = (John Stevens) writes:
>>> = (David Knapp) writes:
>
>>>I would much rather that the woman I care about do what she feels
>>>most comfortable doing with her own body, because *she* is the one it would
>>>affect the most.
>
>>I don't view 9 months of pregnancy as affecting the woman more than
>>dying.
>
>David didn't mention dying; you did.  What's your point?

The baby dies.  With all the rationalizations and renaming I've heard,
still, no one has satisfied me that killing a fetus is any different than
killing a baby.

>BTW, how do you think 9 months of forced pregnancy followed by 18 years of
>forced motherhood would "affect" a woman?

About the same as it affects the father.  Being a responsible adult has
many advantages, but facing your responsibilities can sometimes be very
hard work.  Some people never grow up.  Some TRY never to grow up.  But
certain responsibilities come to you, no matter how hard you try to
avoid them.

>| Steve Novak |    |"Nothing to do to save his life..."| 
>steven@advtech.USWest.Com

John
stevens@uswest.com
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:59:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.004856.13701@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Steve Chaney | Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0 ) writes:
>
>Why is it that the typical pro-choicer: 

"Typical"? From which dictionary???
This pro-choicer:

>
>1) Opposes war because it is killing? 

Because it is killing born humans

>2) Seeks a ban or massive waiting periods on guns because they may kill? 

I support a waiting period so that those who have a record don't get guns.
Just law abiding citizen's like you and I.

>3) Favors spotted owls over the welfare of working-class human beings? 

I don't...do you?

>4) Opposes the death penalty because it is killing? 

Yes. It is the killing of a born human. Don't you oppose the killing of
born humans? 

>5) Wants to save the dolphins? 

Why not? They have an important part in the ecosystem

>6) And the whales? 

Why not? They have an important part in the ecosystem

>7) And the eagles' eggs? 

Bald eagle maybe because they shouldn't go extinct. I'd favor 
protecting human eggs if we were on the endangered species list...

>8) All because it is killing? 

Yes.

>9) But then tries to justify abortion even though it is killing? 

Abortion in the first trimester destroys a human embryo/fetus not a
child.

>10) Opposes animal testing? 

Hmmm. Your facts are a bit off...I don't oppose animal testing in many
instances.

>11) Would rather have human fetal testing?  

I don't see how this could even come about ...

>12) Opposes the choice to control one's own body with whatever
>pleasure-inducing drugs they want to put into themselves, because
>drugs are dangerous? 

I don't oppose any pleasure inducing drugs...In fact I enjoy them sometimes.
Especially beer. :-)


>13) Then turns around and opposes regulations on breast implants
>despite that some implants may be dangerous?  

I oppose implants that would harm a womans health. And it's not clear
to me that any do...

>14) And then shoots the 24 year old man who screws their 14 year old
>daughter? (Which is why they turn and oppose the death penalty...) 

I never shot anyone...you're strange.

>I just wanted to know about these inconsistencies of the pro-choice
>movement... 

I see no inconsistencies.

anne
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Subject: Re: I'm a bit pissed...
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:21:49 GMT

From article by vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu (Gregory S Clausen):
> 
> Of course it wouldn't.  A "product of conception" by definition does not
> have a heart, or any other human characteristic for that matter.


Oh for Pete's sake.  **I'm** a product of conception.

And so are you.


Suzanne Forgach
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.bizarre
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Beware the DickSizeWars!!!!
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:59:25 GMT

chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
] garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
] 
] > Last Saturday, one of them had a piece of posterboard on his
] > back.  On the posterboard, he'd glued a wooden Celtic cross.
] > To the cross, he'd glued a rubber rat.
] 
] > The rat, I am told, represents the tiny sex animals that
] > tempt us and result in our being sent to burn in eternal
] > hellfire.
] 
] Funny thing.  I'd always thought of _my_ 'tiny sex animal' as
] a big, friendly Labrador retriever.  It would be pretty hard
] to get one of those on a posterboard!


Mr Lyman, you are here with, and here to fore, 
forewarned that any more postings of this sort 
will be construed as an explicit Call for a 
DickSizeWar, and that No Mercy will Be Shown,
No Quarters Offered. You will Therefore Cease
and Desist, or Suffer the Consequences of Your
Failure to Heed this WARNING!!!!!

ciao
drieux


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Subject: Re: CNN CENSORS PRO-LIFE AD
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:31:32 GMT

From article by garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin):
> In article fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco) writes:
> 
> #Prostoglandin abortions, which is a technique that is sometimes used
> #today, will result in the abortion of a stillborn fetus. That is the
> #fetus Rev. Shenck was carrying.
> 
> There is no way of proving your assertion.  A fetus aborted by
> prostaglandin is indistinguishable from one spontaneously
> aborted.  I doubt that we'll ever know what the truth is here.


Unless the mother comes forth.
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: PP executive says "personhood...begins a month after birth"
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:23:31 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Jul24.001125.19443@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu
(Stephen A Chaney) wrote:
> 
> 		  Pro-Choice means pro-adult/child sex! 

Are you doing this sort of thing on purpose?

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:36:53 -0400 
From: Kevin William Ryan <kr0u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Garvin does anyone (was Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1
	<1992Jul27.233840.11118@csus.edu>

chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
> In article <3691@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
> >In article <p2hm#g_.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
> >#chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes ...
> >##Your intellegence has devolved to the level of a paramecium, not to
> >##mention your blatant, in-your-face lies. 
> >#
> >##               Pro-Choice means pro-adult/child sex! 
> >#
> >#Anyone _else_ notice any inconsistencies here?
> >
> >I think that I know the source of Chaney's new .sig lie.
> >I think that some adult who supports legal abortion said
> >"fuck you" to him.
> 
> No, it reflects the rumor I heard that as a kid, you offered to every
> man who said "Fuck you," to help them take it literally. 

    Amazing. Steve, you lend new dimensions to the term 'argumentum ad
hominem'. Impressive. Disgusting, but impressive. 

    Steve, Susan, everyone in this thread? Mind dropping the third
grade insults and returning to something a little more appropriate for
people who can figure out email and netnews systems?

						kwr

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