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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush Mortality?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:35:05 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <98756@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <Bw66Dr.6qu@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>
>>2) Roll the Bones' main concept
>>   - the main concept of the album is a subjective topic and 
>>     thus invalid as the basis for any logical conclusion 
>
>I'd have to disagree with this statement despite the fact that
>I agree that it isn't sufficient basis for saying that Neil has
>a fatal disease. Since when has the main concept of an album
>been subjective? Everyone may have his or her opinion but if
>there _is_ a concept than its nature should be capable of
>being discovered. And once it's discovered one can draw
>logical conclusions from that (though not necessarily about
>the state of health of bandmembers!)
>
>Gregg

OK, I'll agree that the "main concept" is concrete enough to be found.
In the original article, the poster said that the main concept of
Roll the Bones was "live for now, screw religion, go out and take 
chances while you still can".  I see now that I used the term "main concept"
incorrectly in my follow-up, because these things are not really the
main concept of the album.  They are conclusions that the poster has
drawn from the main concept.
These conclusions are subjective, and that is what I was trying to 
emphasize in my follow-up.
I think you'll agree that there are different conclusions that
can be drawn from the "main concept" of all Rush albums, depending
on who you ask.

Talk to you later.



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From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:20:52 GMT
Keywords: Ignorant fools running the World with television

ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake) writes:

>In article <1bi5npINN5c5@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno) writes:

>> keep
>>people like us WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING to hear them once again.

>The only Rush videos I ever recall seeing on MTV are "The Big Money" and
>"Mystic Rhythms" back when PoW first came out, and then only a few times.

>Has anyone seen any others on MTV? I haven't paid much attention to that
>station since leaving high school ('86).

>--Dave O'Toole   (using ddrake's login)

 Well, after PoW they had videos for "Time Stand Still", "Lock And Key", "Show Don't
 Tell", "The Pass", "Superconductor", and "Roll The Bones".  These videos were barely
 played, but played enough for me to get a recording of them all.  
 
 

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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: General Admission (was Opening Bands)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:48:29 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct15.133546.1451@ncsu.edu> raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES) writes:
>The only band I have seen open for Rush that hasn't already been 
>mentioned (at least that I've seen) was MSG on the HYF tour. 
>It had been raining all day and we had waited outside in line for the 
>general admission show. Once we got into the show (3 people length 
>from stage) it started to get very hot. MSG was horrible!! and the guys
>next to me were screaming like fools. Afterwards they said "Cool, let's go!
>We saw who we came for."  And they left.   What Idiots.
>
>Then the boyz came out and played Big Money. Wow! I could actually see 
>them!! But by the end of the 3rd song I had been pushed back to about 12 
>people from the stage. It was very uncomfortable. The heat and wet people
>had made for one big steam pit.

I am very surprised at this.  I thought that Rush never allowed 
general admission at any of there concerts due to safety factors.
All 8 shows I have seen (since 1984) have been reserved seating  
exclusively.

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From: v064myby@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Tragically Hip.
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct14.165415.24467@wam.umd.edu>, sorsha@wor.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner) writes...
> 
>I've been meaning to ask this for a while -- what's the best
>Tragically Hip album to pick up for a first-time listener?  (It'd be a
>shame if the one I pick up was a really poor effort on their part.)
> 
>						Derek L.
>-- 
>~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>Send burnt offerings to....."If love is a grenade,.........Ahead groove......
>...sorsha@wam.umd.edu......I'll pull the pin." B-52's....factor five! -Holly..
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	I think the group only has three albums, the first one, Road Apples,
and one which just came out.  I'd recommend either of the first two.  They've
been playing the new one on the radio here, but it's a little slow and
droning sounding to me.  o
						
						Latre,
						'Q.'
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Keywords: Ignorant fools running the World with television
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:19:21 GMT

In <1992Oct14.233948.10562@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake) writes:

>The only Rush videos I ever recall seeing on MTV are "The Big Money" and
>"Mystic Rhythms" back when PoW first came out, and then only a few times.

>Has anyone seen any others on MTV? I haven't paid much attention to that
>station since leaving high school ('86).

I didn't see those, but I saw Marathon (from the Show of Hands video), Show
Don't Tell, and The Pass.


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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Lighting
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:03:18 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <98855@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.154326.18883@bmerh85.bnr.ca> jclarke@bnr.ca (John Clarke) writes:
>
>>Kevin Flewitt (ex-Personal Shreve) used to go on the road
>>with the guys and arrange whatever extras the gang needed.
>>Sort of an assistant road manager.  He was "let go" along
>>with most of their personnel after the Hold Your Fire tour.
>
>I was wondering why ``most of their personned'' (an exaggeration?) were
>let go then. I know that they changed the lighting people (due to their
>lack of innovation) but didn't hear any reasons why others were ``let
>go''.
>
>Gregg
>
 They let go the lighting folks for lack of innovation? NOw hold on 
just a sec here. I seem to recall that the Turn the Page light show
was the one that blew everyone away when it first showed up
on the HYF tour.

 More importantly, the guy that used to do their lights (I don't know
if he still does, please enlighten me if you know), Howard Ungerleider,
(if I got his name right) was tapped by the Floyd for the Momentary
Lapse shows. And I don't think _anyone_ was getting on his case for
"lack of innovation" on that one (I missed the tour, but all those
who went assure me that the photos on Delicate Sound of Thunder
are just the beginning).

Actually, these days, light shows are just getting out-of-hand, IMHO.
Yes, they're pretty and all, ooh ahhh, but it just seems like 
we're watching a bit more TV/MTV because of it. Me, I like to go 
to live shows now and just close my eyes--ignore most of the crowd
and any visual distractions, and let the totality of the music
wash over me.  Maybe it's reactionary, but music is, or ought to be,
the whole point of it, don't ya think?

Frank Sellin
P.S. Although, in all fairness, Where's My Thing really did whet
the visual appetite live...
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       --just a little bastardization of Vital Signs...
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>
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From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: new to RUSH and still li
Date: 16 Oct 1992 03:18:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:


>In article <1bdrppINNjku@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
>> Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Hodges) writes:
>>
>> >   Sorry, you're probably right. I was thinking of the Rush "Compendium,"
>> >which was published right after Signals came out. The intro is written
>> >by (who else?) Neil. Sheet music like that IS great for keys, and not
>> >so great for guitar, but it's still good for us guitar players in a lot
>> >of ways.
>>
>> i quite like the intro....a lot of guitarists i know don't really like
>> the book because it doesn't have TAB (kill the heretics, wot can't u sight read
>> :-))
>>
>> anyways gotta go....
>>
>> Adam

>    I bought the Rush "Compendium Vol. II" which has music from Permanent
>Waves to Power Windows.  Unfortunately its written for keys and useless for
>guitar since its a pain to convert.  The other day I was lucky and found
>music/tab for Moving Pictures.  Its published by the same company as the
>compendium (I think), and the actual music is published by Core Music.  The
>problem I've found is that the music doesn't seem totally correct in some
>places especially songs like Limelight and The Camera Eye (it seems to me
>there are extra notes in certain places).  Maybe I'm wrong, but has anyone
>else noticed this?

>Blake

The Complete has all the right notes for Camera Eye, but not for
Limelight, which has be cut up unmericifully :-(, I agree that Complete
I & II aren't much good for GTR, but they are good for keys players like
me (BTW can play almost all of Ged's keys parts now :-)

bye rush people :-)

Adam
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From: hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben)
Subject: By-Tor, etc...
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:21:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Hello, I am new to this group, but a Rush fan for about 10 years now...
There was some discussion before about By-Tor and his subsequent appearance
on CoS.  For some reason I do not really know, I always thought of "In the
End" as also being about By-Tor, and so to me his appearance in The Necromancer
is not a surprise.

Also, I hope this is not a FAQ, but has anyone else noticed that in the cover
of CoS, if you look at it right, you can see a face?

Finally, I must add that I have been reading this newsgroup's posts for some
time, and I think that there have been some good discussions, and too many
flames...but hey, it is easy to be passionate about great music...


     "...Ein Goldner Ring ragt dir am Finger...den gib uns!"
			   
			   -Gotterdammerung, Richard Wagner



    Mike Hurben
    Dept of Physics
    Colorado State
From: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Simple question?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:19:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, U59919@uicvm.uic.edu () says:

>Question:
>What are all of us who love RUSH going to do when they finally die or call it
>quits?

   Listen to all the albums and find another group to see in concert.
   (That wasn't so hard, was it?)
   Running to light from shadow,

		-EMeyer

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From: wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: You must be a looney!
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:09:38 -0500
Summary: To be or not to be an idiot
Reply-To: wipperma9340
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <718756786.AA00000@therose.pdx.com>, Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Hodges) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.172458.15500@bnr.ca> herrage@bnr.ca writes:
> 
>>>IMO, IF YOU DON'T LIKE RUSH's MUSIC -- PAST or PRESENT -- YOU'RE NOT
>>>
>>>                         A "TRUE" RUSH FAN!!!
> 
>>I tend to agree with the general sentiment ``if you are really a Rush
>>fan you'll like all their music,'' and that's because if you are really
>>a Rush fan you will really _listen carefully_ to all their music; when
>>one does listen carefully one finds something to like. The possible
>>exception being the less well known tracks on _Rush_, the first album
>>to which Neil did not contribute.
> 
> {much trimmed!!!!}
> 
>   This is also my mentality, so to speak.  I *truly* love each and
> every single Rush song without reservation (yup, even all the Zeppelin-
> esque songs on the first album).  I also buy every album before even having
> to hear one track because I know I'll love it as well. "Hold Your Fire" had
> to grow on most people, but I loved it instantly.  Granted, a few songs off
> "Presto" kind of threw me off (like "The Pass"), but after listening to the
> CD a few times, I got to like them.  There are *VERY* few bands that I can
> say I like every single song (especially when there are 16 records worth of
> songs!).
> ___
>  X SLMR 2.1a X I think ... therefore I am overqualified.
> 
Come on, now.  You are basically saying that if you don't like a few songs you
are not a real fan.  That sounds like a nasty invitation to conformity to me. 
Let's let people think for themselves- one of the basic tenets of Rush's music.

Yours etc,

The Analog Kid (who happens to prefer hemlock to "Scars")
From: jaeger@buphyk.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Since Signals is the topic of conversation...
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:05:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct9.053824.23355@muddcs.claremont.edu> karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:

>Also... Where is the Warren Cromartie Secondary School?

It is fictional. Cromartie (I believe) is the name of a Canadian
baseball celebrity. Anyone with more knowledge care to elaborate?

Gregg




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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Lighting
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:05:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct16.190318.5390@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin) writes:
>In article <98855@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>I was wondering why ``most of their personned'' (an exaggeration?) were
>>let go then. I know that they changed the lighting people (due to their
>>lack of innovation) but didn't hear any reasons why others were ``let
>>go''.


> They let go the lighting folks for lack of innovation? NOw hold on 
>just a sec here. I seem to recall that the Turn the Page light show
>was the one that blew everyone away when it first showed up
>on the HYF tour.


You're right. It seems I confused light and sound! See Factor (who
did light and sound on p/g & PoW) was limited to lighting only beginning 
with HYF. In any event, personnel changes undoubtedly came with
that move.


Gregg


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From: md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson)
Subject: Presto
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:22:52 GMT
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I have always been a fan of the older rush stuff.  But recently after listening
to Presto for the zillionth time I realized that Rush has ever so slowly
shifted there music so it is more technical.  This is no big discovery I 
know, but I also have noticed that a lot of the passion has gone...

In many of the older albumns Geddy sings with such passioon and Alex jams
as does Neil.  I hate to say this, but I think they are starting to get old.
Something is missing and I cant quite place it.   Does anybosy see these same
trends?  Agreement or Disagreement?

Please no flames this is just MHO...
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From: cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen)
Subject: Since Signals is the topic of conversation...
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 02:38:35 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park


Since Signals seems to be the topic of conversation lately, I will put
a few of my opinions onto the net-

1. Even though the mix of guitars is toned down and keyboards brought
up, there is some great guitar playing on this album. Check out Analog
Kid's Solo, the beginning of Chemistry, The Digital Man's solo, and
just some plane old excellent power chords from the master... Overall,
an excellent guitar album.. 

2. My favorite song is the Digital Man. It has a different underlying
beat that is not found in any other Rush song. I'm not sure how to
typify it for fear of being flamed (ran out of asbestos underwear,
dontcha know), but dare I say Raggae??!? Also, some great bass work
in this song

3. Being a bassist myself, the Analog Kid and Digital Man represent
some serious coverage of the maple.. Geddy seems to rip up and down
the frets.. I love these songs.

4. From a drum standpoint, I love digital man once again.. an
excellent departure from the Norm Peart... also, the beginning of
Subdivision, especially as heard (and even seen in the video), is
just awesome. His right hand on the ride cymbol, his left on the
snare, and his right hand alternating between the cymbol and the 
snare.. Just some killer work from Neil...

Overall, contrary to popular belief, I really enjoy Signals and would
rank it up in the top 4 of Rush Albums... while on that same note, I 
would also rank Grace Under Pressure up there as well, but that is 
a different story...

Anybody else care to share their feelings and opinions on this album,
just do it!!!!

Chris 
He's adept at adaptation..


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From: cs611125@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs611125)
Subject: Caress of Steel
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:35:35 GMT

   Kind of surprises me that CoS was ill-received when it first arrived.  I
think it's a great album.  "The Necromancer" is a wonderfully moody piece
(though I might bust Neil's chops on "Into the darkness": "Silence shrouds 
the forest/As the birds announce the dawn"  Not very silent with all those
bloody birds :-) ) "The Fountain of Lamneth" is quite an accomplishment IMHO.  
The boyz were in their early 20s and wrote a rather in-depth allegory, 
don'tcha think?

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From: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth)
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:43:04 GMT
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In article <1992Oct15.125720.1570@msdhsv.ingr.com>, tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.233948.10562@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake) writes:
> |>
> |> The only Rush videos I ever recall seeing on MTV are "The Big Money" and
> |> "Mystic Rhythms" back when PoW first came out, and then only a few times.
> |> Has anyone seen any others on MTV? I haven't paid much attention to that
> |> station since leaving high school ('86).
>
> I've seen "Vital Signs" and "Distant Early Warning" on eMpTyV, but
> not in many years.
>
> Also, back in the good old days when MTV used to broadcast live
> concerts, they showed Rush once.  For years afterwards they showed
> videos from this concert:  "Tom Sawyer" and "Red Barchetta" are 2 that
> I've seen several times.
> --
> T.J. Higgins | tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com | Intergraph Mapping | Huntsville, AL
> "The more we think we know about
>  The greater the unknown" -- Rush

    I saw the RTB video maybe two times when the album came out and have never
seen Rush otherwise.  The only place I've really seen a good deal of Rush
vidoes is at my friend's who has some of them on tape (By the way has Rush
released all of the vidoes they've made on various albums?  It seems like
videos like Chronicles, etc. don't have all of the vidoes.)  I also remember
seeing Limelight, Red Barchetta, and Tom Sawyer on mtv when I was alot
younger.  I have to agree with a previous poster who said that mtv has ruined
music.  Its true.  It seems like in most cases the bands of today are more
concerned with their image than the actual quality of the music they make.

Blake
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From: krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters)
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Summary:  eMpTV
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Ignorant fools running the World with television
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:13:00 GMT

In article <Bw4zMu.4y0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes...
>ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake) writes:
> 
>>In article <INN5c5@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno) writes:
> 
> 
>>The only Rush videos I ever recall seeing on MTV are "The Big Money" and
>>"Mystic Rhythms" back when PoW first came out, and then only a few times.
> 
>>Has anyone seen any others on MTV? I haven't paid much attention to that
>>station since leaving high school ('86).
> 
>>--Dave O'Toole   (using ddrake's login)
> 
> Well, after PoW they had videos for "Time Stand Still", "Lock And Key", "Show Don't
> Tell", "The Pass", "Superconductor", and "Roll The Bones".  These videos were barely
> played, but played enough for me to get a recording of them all.  
> 

   Yeah, MTV has only played Rush videos sparingly, almost grudgingly, as if
to say "well, they're a big name band, but the music/video is over our heads,
so we'll just play the video once a day."  The only ones I've seen on eMpTV 
are The Big Money and Roll the Bones; I watched often enough this past year to
see that RtB was only played for a couple of months, then never again to my
knowledge.

So could someone give a brief synopsis of the "storyline" of the videos of 
songs from HYF and Presto, for those of us who haven't seen them?

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