HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Memory Problems
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:24:56 GMT


>We have a Sun3 that has given us the following memory error:

What model?

>Memory Error! Status D2 DVMA-Brt 1, context 0,
>    Vaddr: FFDE41C, Paddr: 0000041C Type 0 at 00000001
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This tells you where it is.  On a 3/60, for example, this tells you that the
problem is most likely in the first bank of four simms, since the address
is < 0x100000.  The last digit should specify the simm within the bank, but
I've forgotten how those machines interleave.

>fine if they have been cooled down, and we all know how
>well SUN3s are ventilated!

3/50's and 60's are badly ventilated -- the screen over the fan clogs easily.
Keep the cpu box on-edge so that the fan is unobstructed, and keep the screen
squeaky clean.  I've seen a number of spurious memory and cpu problems that
were caused by clogged fans.
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From: dsc@seismo.CSS.GOV (taste is the enemy of art)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Keywords: classic sparc performance spec mips mflops benchmarks
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:19:58 GMT
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA
Originator: dsc@beno.CSS.GOV


the following table might help ... compiled from official sun literature, etc.
i included the published numbers for mips (old dhrystone) & mflops (linpack)
although they should be ignored. :-)  the spec92 numbers are better indicators
of relative performance.  your milage will vary ...

Model		SPECint92	SPECfp92	MIPS	MFLOPS	Cache*	Contexts
-----		---------	--------	----	------	------	--------
ELC		18.2		17.9		23.7	3.4	64	8
IPC		13.8		11.1		17.8	1.8	64	8
IPX		21.8		21.5		28.5	4.2	64	8
2		21.8		22.8		28.5	4.2	64	16
Classic		26.4		21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
LX		26.4		21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
10/20		39.8		46.6		77.5	9.5	16/20	65536
10/30		44.2		52.9		86.1	10.6	16/20	65536
10/41		52.6		64.7		96.2	17.2	16/20+	65536
10/52		58.1		71.4		107.3	19.0	16/20+	65536
10/54		58.1		71.4		107.3	19.0	16/20+	65536

* in KBs - cache is unified unless marked as data/instruction.
+ also has a 1 MB external cache.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: bhpowell@unccsun.uncc.edu (Bradley Heath Powell)
Subject: need help with UNIX/SPARC/ptrace() single stepping...
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:06:03 GMT



I am having GREAT difficulty finding information related to a academic project
that I am working on...can anyone help me???

THE SYSTEM:
   Sun SPARCstation 2
   SunOS 4.1.3  (very similar to UNIX)

THE PROJECT:
   I am writing a program that will record its child process' references to 
memory addresses: i.e. every time the child process executes a load or store 
machine instruction, the parent needs to write the address referenced and its 
contents to a file.  Its purpose is to profile and evaluate the efficiency of 
a process by examining its load and store instructions.

SOME QUESTIONS:
- How does one (or can one...) implement single step debugging in C with 
  ptrace(), wait(), signal(), exec(), etc... under SunOS/UNIX?

- Where can I find information about the SPARC processor, particularly info.
  on encoding and decoding instructions? (yes, I've read the man pages and the
  answer book, and contacted Sun...but not enough info!)

- Where can I find a comprehensive tutorial on SPARC assembly language?

PLEASE HELP
   I would greatly appreciate any help that anyone can offer...please send 
email to the address below.  I particularly need info. on where I can get
books and sample code.


Thanks-

Brad Powell
email: bhpowell@unccsun.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mihelcic@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Dave Mihelcic)
Subject: using HP C1503C 4mm DAT with SPARCstation2
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:09:13 GMT

I'm try to interface an HP C1503C 4mm DAT to a SPARC2 with little success.
I don't have any good documentation on the DAT, so I'm really in the dark.
Any help would be appreciated.

					Dave Mihelcic
From: lavoie@schizo.samsung.com (Paul Lavoie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Help with posts here
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:30:18 GMT
Reply-To: lavoie@schizo.samsung.com (Paul Lavoie)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Samsung Software America, Inc.



    I am having trouble posting to this newsgroup. Could anyone who gets
    this please mail back a "i got it" to lavoie@samsung.com. Please email
    it, not post, in order to cut down on bandwidth. I realize that my 
    mailbox will get clogged, but am willing to have that happen in order
    to see if I can post here.


    Thanks


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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Monitor syncing problems
Keywords: Help PLEASE!
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



I have an old Sun2 type monochrome monitor. When I first got it, there
were no problems with it.Then after a while (months), it seemed to have
problems on startup, syncing with the cpu board (I have a 4/110 now, with
mono P4 board). it now takes about a whole minute to sync properly.

While warming up, the problem is that the picture gets shifted into it's
component horizontal lines. EVERY SINGLE ONE, in an even pattern,
although the pattern can be more extreme, or less.

for instance, if the normal line orientation is:
1			1
2			2
3			3
4			4
5			5
6			6
7			7
8			8

It starts out as

1			1
 2			 2
     3			     3
4			4
 5			 5
     6			     6
7			7
 8
etc


Right now, it's doing it AFTER it has warmed up.

I don't know if its because I just upgraded it to 32 megs, or because
the power here might be a bit dodgey.
or both.
(I used 16 large korean 100ns SIMMs, nine-chip)

Suggestions as to why this is happening, and even perhaps some fixes,
would be VERY appreciated.

Philip Brown

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From: art@midnight.midnight.com (Art Mellor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: strange directory migration error !!
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:52:14
Organization: Midnight Networks Inc., Waltham MA
Reply-To: art@midnight.com (Art Mellor 617/890-1001)
NNTP-Posting-Host: midnight.midnight.com
In-reply-to: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:19:06 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.111906.25514@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn) writes:

 >we got here a strange error on one of our Sparc 10 workstations.
 >Several directories have been migrated over night to block-type
 >and character-type special devices. The owner has been set to
 >some phantasy numbers of 12xxx or 13xxx, the date is somewhere
 >in the future (1995, 2028 and so on) and the permissions are
 >more than confused.

I have seen similar weirdness when using less than robust nfs implementations.
Do you have any "non-standard" versions of NFS mounting that machine? Like
an Apollo system running an old OS?



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From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Sun Classic?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:00:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Didn't sun introduce a couple of months ago a Classic LX (the
nice classic) at $7995 for color? Could someone send me the
specs on that? Are they giving the educational users discounts
on that computer?

CW

Please email all replies....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: gaarder@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Gaarder)
Subject: Disk problem with Sparc 2 and Wren IV
Organization: AC Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:28:53 GMT


I have a CDC/Seagate/Imprimis Wren IV diks drive (94171-327) connected
to a SparcStation 2 on which I am trying to install SunOS 4.1.3.  I say
"trying" because I get occasional fatal "hardware errors" with an error
code of 0x44.  Also, trying to reformat the disk with "format" gives a
rather terse "format failed" message.  However, I can run "analyze" on
the disk till the cows come home without seeing any errors.  Anybody
know what's going on?

Thanks,

Steven Gaarder                             Network and Systems Administrator
gaarder@actech.com                         A C Technology, Ithaca, N.Y., USA
From: mul@ira.uka.de (Peter Mul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: RE: 16 bit audio file or demo
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:53:27 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i61s7.ira.uka.de

Hey Netreaders

With the Sparcstation 10 we received the Speakerbox
capable of playing 16bit audio (using NEXT file definition).

The OS installed is 4.1.3

The provided demos however are still 8bit based.
Does anybody have either 16bit audio files or a
demo to test the Speakerbox, that (s)he would like
to send to me?

Greetings, 

   Peter


Peter Mul
University of Karlsruhe
mul@ira.uka.de

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mniku@icl.se (Markku Niku ICL/Swe)
Subject: Re: Need small monitor (12" - 14") for SS-2
Organization: ICL DATA AB, Sweden
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:13:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.144028.26037@internet.sbi.com>, brett@serpens.pivot (Brett Bartick) writes:
|> Can anybody provide me with the above? Manufactures, recommendations, do they
|> work with SUN framebuffer?
|> Thanks,
|> -Brett
|> 
|> ---
If you've got CG3 or GX framebuffer, any multisync monitor with resolution above
900x1152 and RGB (with composit sync) will work. If you've got the standard 
monitor cable for Sun, you just need an adapter. Sun has got one, with part
number 530-1446-03. I've been using monitors from Salora (common here in
nothern Europe), but NEC or Sony should be nice ones. Ofcourse there are
cheeper ones too.
/// Markku Niku, ICL Sweden
*********** Talking as private person, not for the company I'm employed by *****
From: paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Sun 4/110 hardware problem
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:34:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Project NORTHSTAR


Sigh.  I hope this isn't a FAQ, and I _really_ wanted to ask
on sun-managers, but couldn't get subscribed, so I'll ask here
instead -sorry...

I've got several Sun 4/110s, which haven't been much trouble
up until now.  One of them started failing on boot - when we
hooked up a serial terminal and put it in diag mode, we got

  Limited Memory Test: End of Megabyte 0x00000010.  Write-Write-Read Test.
  error: address=0x000ffff8, expected 0x5a972c5a, observed 0xa568d3a5 (looping).
  Physical address: 0x00ffff8. SIMM in Error: U1603 U1602 U1601 U1600

We weren't then able to get into Extended Test Mode.

Then we tried swapping the (presumably) bad SIMMs with known good ones
from another machine - you guessed it - the "good" SIMMs didn't work in
the "broken" machine, and when we put them back in the "good" machine,
*it* developed the same problems!  So, now I've got 2 broken machines...

We tried taking out 8MB and seeing if it would boot, but it wound
up giving the same errors (though the "SIMMs in Error" were U150?,
rather than U160?).  I've exhausted my limited knowledge of Sun
hardware, and don't really want to break Yet Another machine trying
something else.  Needless to say, none of these are either under warrantee
(ha!) or maintenance.

Does this ring any bells with anyone?  Any suggestions of anything
to try next?  Am I _totally_ screwed by now?  I find it odd that the
problem could migrate to another machine in this way - are there any
known gotchas or things we might have overlooked?

Thanks.  Please email - though I do try to read the group, email's
quicker...


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Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: sjh@Franz.COM (Steve Huey)
Subject: Sparc Classic
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:56:40 GMT



We currently have a Sparc Classic on order and want to upgrade the memory
from 16MB to 32MB. Does anyone know where I can get and what type of 
simm's it uses? I prefer to save some money and not buy them from Sun.


Thanks


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sjh@Franz.COM (internet)        Berkeley, CA  94704
                                Phone: (510) 548-3600; FAX: (510) 548-8253
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Using non-TCP/IP ethernet
Keywords: ethernet interface network
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:32:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.230534.4256@nobeltech.se> ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson) says:
: In article <1993Jan22.171043.23286@msc.cornell.edu> savage@msc.cornell.edu (Daniel Svitavsky) writes:
: >
: >   Also, ifconfig shows the second ethernet card as having the same ethernet
: >address as the first. Do Suns really have one hardware address per machine?
: 
: One reason to do this might be that software licenses are fixed to the 
: machines ethernet-address, but making hardware kludges to support stupid
: software is a bad thing IMO.

Another reason to do it is simply to use fewer ethernet addresses.

You can give interfaces separate ethernet addresses with the ifconfig 
command though.
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Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
From: ram@shukra.Eng.Sun.COM (Renu Raman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:42:20 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: shukra

In article <18471@autodesk.COM> marc@autodesk.com writes:
>
>In article 51917@seismo.CSS.GOV, dsc@seismo.CSS.GOV (taste is the enemy 
>
>>Model	    SPECint92	SPECfp92	MIPS	MFLOPS	Cache*	Contexts
>>-----	    ---------	--------	----	------	------	--------
>>IPX	    21.8	21.5		28.5	4.2	64	8
>>2	    21.8	22.8		28.5	4.2	64	16
>>Classic    26.4	21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
>>LX	    26.4	21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
>>
>>* in KBs - cache is unified unless marked as data/instruction.
>
>Take careful note of the cache size on the Classic/LX.  One thing that 
>has been become obvious to us here is that the IPX and SS2 perform
>significantly better (in some case 2 or 3 times) on large programs with
>poor cache locality.  Benchmarks don't always tell the whole story...


 I suppose you meant 'good cache locality' - because on programs that
 have 'poor cache locality' a.k.a cache thrashers - the LX/Classic
 will perform better than the IPX and SS2 - for the simple reason that
 the memory access latency is far better - (about 7-9 cycles vs 20).

 I have seen a number of cases where This teeny machines outperform 
 a number of bigger machines when the programs are memory bound.

 renu raman
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: svrobins@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk (Paul Robins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 8GB DAT drives, request for information
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:52:17 GMT
Organization: Inmos Ltd

Sorry if this covered in a FAQ somewhere but I'm looking for information
on using a 4mm DAT drive. 

I've been told that these have a capacity of 8GB, and are cheaper than
a Exabyte 8500. Does anyone have any experience/recomendations/warnings
etc.

Thanks

Paul Robins
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: curt@mischief.ecn.purdue.edu (Curt Freeland)
Subject: Quantum 210S or Sun format oddity?
Summary: weird failure mode, or format only touches the the drive cache?
Keywords: can we or can't we write drive platters?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:45:54 GMT

We have a Quantum 210S that came out of a SparcStation 1+.  The reported
failure was that the drive could not be written.  When the drive was 
connected to another system and we used the format program's "analyze"
section, things seemed to be fine. We could use refresh, or compare,
and the drive passed every pass of surface analysis we threw it's way.
When we tried to interrupt out of the analysis, the drive complained
that it had a hard error trying to write the label.  When we tried to 
format the drive, it complained that it could not access some huge 
cylinder number.  

Just for kicks, I tried a newfs on the drive, and that failed on every
partition with a write error.  Then I tried to fsck the drive, and lo
and behold, the filesystem was still there!

I have poked around in the format program enough to know I don't trust it
as far as I can throw it, but now it has me really worried.  How on earth 
could the pattern analysis passes complete without error, and the filesystem 
remain intact?  I wrote several random patterns on the drive (or so I 
thought), but afterward, the filesystem is still intact.  Has Sun supplied 
a format that writes/reads the drive's cache, but never checks the platters?  
Seems to be the case for this particular drive.

Any net.wisdom would be appreciated.

Thanks
--curt
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: pas@jupitercmc.ca (Peter Stokes)
Subject: Re: Swap Space Question
Reply-To: pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:30:52 GMT

In article <JDELL.93Jan24131648@nefertiti.mit.edu>, jdell@nefertiti.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe) writes:
|> On Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:19:28 GMT, dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) said:
|> 
|> > This a quick question regarding swap space. I have a SPARC 1, with 8 meg RAM,
|> > and certainly need more to give X Windows breathing space. I have about 22 meg
|> > of swap space, and want to go to 16 Meg of RAM. Theoretically, I should only
|> > need a bit more than 16 meg of swap space on disk. Question: Is 22 meg enough
|> > swap space for a 16 meg RAM system? (I would rather not re-partition the disks
|> > for more space unless I have to).
|> 
|> Well, I think the real answer to that question is, you need the swap space as
|> big as you require.  Not much of an answer, but let me explain.  If you are 
|> using your SPARC to check mail and editing and other tasks which don't require
|> crunching on large amounts of data, then your system is probably okay.
|> 
|> On our system, we require large amounts of data to be crunched and run
|> programs which are quite large.  So to be safe, we have our SPARCs with
|> 100 MB of swap. 
|> 
|> You should find out if processes are running out of memory.

But is it not true that:

   virtual memory = swap space

and that:
   
   swap space must be >= physical memory

Peter

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From: gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Used Sun dealers?
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:19:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I need the names and numbers of some used Sun dealers.  If someone could email
me a few, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
Subject: 2 GB Fujitsu drives crashing on Sparc10
Reply-To: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:40:12 GMT

Hello netland,

we got a big problem here concerning some of our 2 GB Fujitsu M2654 SA
drives connected to Sparc 10 workstations. For a while everything seemed
to be ok, but then strange things happened. Some files and directories
changed to devices or disappeared, and even a dump to our Exabyte
crashed. This happened to 4 of these drives; we have SunOS 4.1.3, and
at least one of the disks has been reformatted by ourselves, not only
by the vendor.

So if anybody has had similar problems or could give us any hint, please
email me or post a followup. 

Thanks in advance, Michael


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: wolf@merlin.mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf)
Subject: Re: Sparc Classic
Reply-To: wolf@merlin.mt.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:31:18 GMT

In article 93Jan27165640@vapor.Franz.COM, sjh@Franz.COM (Steve Huey) writes:
"> "
"> "
"> "We currently have a Sparc Classic on order and want to upgrade the memory
"> "from 16MB to 32MB. Does anyone know where I can get and what type of 
"> "simm's it uses? I prefer to save some money and not buy them from Sun.
"> "

The only way to get to 32 Meg on a Classic or LX is to buy two 16Meg SIMMS and remove
the installed 4Meg SIMMs.  Anyway some folks suggested that "Chips for
Less" (214-250-0009) would sell 16Meg SIMMs (4Mx33bit @60ns) for $560.  I haven't
verified this.  Could someone positively confirm (ie. you actually installed such
memory) that these SIMM specs (4Mx33bit @60ns) are correct for an LX?  The price
difference between this $1100/32Meg and Sun's list price of $3000/32Meg is so large
as to make me suspicious.  Surely even Sun wouldn't charge such a premium on
memory unless there was something extra special about their chips...or would they  :?)

Curious,
Tom

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