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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:05:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.french
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.145230.29588@cari.telecom.uqam.ca>, berstel@mipsmath.math.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel) writes:
> Well it just happens that in France the former reflects the latter. This is
> due to a complex mechanism where French people choose some of them according
> to their opinions, to represent them and draft the laws. This system was
> first used in Greece and evolved throughout time; its success is enforced
> through the education of the people, one great concern in France.
> 
> FYI it is known under the name of democracy. 

BZZZZT, it's a "republic," quite different from the Greek "democracy,"
but thank you for playing.
-- 

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.french:5936 talk.politics.guns:19599
From: goudal@labri.greco-prog.fr (Frederic GOUDAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:29:37 GMT
Organization: GRECO Programmation du CNRS - Bordeaux,France

In article <1992Aug18.194737.14869@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
> As a matter of fact, I own no hunting rifles, since I no longer have the
> time to hunt.  Now let us perform a thought experiment.  I live in a city
> whose layout is intimately known to me.  Suppose a coup comes; I pick up my
> SIG AMT .308, with 4 extra magazines (100 rounds total), which allows me to
> hit a dinner plate-sized target at 600 meters with open sights, offhand.
> On my person I can easily carry another 100 rounds and a telescopic sight,
> which increases my effective range to 1000 meters, plus a 9mm P210 with 150
> rounds of pistol ammunition, plus camping supplies sufficient for several
> days.  Now think about the number of tank commanders I can take out before
> my luck runs out; then multiply this number by your estimate of the total
> number of like-minded individuals.  Consider Vietnam, Lebanon, Northern
> Ireland, Afghanistan, and other similar cases before you answer.
> 

This reminds me when I was a child : Imagine that I have a big gun and I ....

Michael Zeleny is very imaginative... he should write books :
"How I defeat 400 tank commanders alone with camping supplies"

I should be a best seller, good luck.



-- 

goudal@geocub.greco-prog.fr          "Why can't we reach the sun?"
oral-mail : babbs			 Pink Floyd
From: billaud@alize.greco-prog.fr (Michel BILLAUD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:38:40 GMT
Organization: LaBRI - Universite Bordeaux I - France

In article <5747@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug20.145230.29588@cari.telecom.uqam.ca>, berstel@mipsmath.math.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel) writes:

|> > FYI it is known under the name of democracy. 

|> BZZZZT, it's a "republic," quite different from the Greek "democracy,"
|> but thank you for playing.

Do you seriously think that the "greek Democracy" can be considered
as a form of democracy by today's standards ? So, what's your point ?

|> but thank you for playing.

... Thank you for not playing with words :-)

MB

PS: sauvons les Anes du Poitou !

-- 
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Departement d'Informatique     :  phone W: 56.84.57.92  // 56.84.69.22
IUT "A", Universite Bordeaux I :  "Je veux jouer de l'helicon
33405 Talence  (FRANCE)        :        pon pon pon pon !    "
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: jisrawi@PHYSICS.RUTGERS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: LeMonde du 23 Juillet sur l'Algerie
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:08:06 GMT


            ***********************************
            *                                 * 
            * Excerpts from Le Monde editorial*
            *          7/23/92                *
            *                                 *
            ***********************************

Following the designstion of Ghozali as Ambassador of Algeria in France, and 
Mr. Kessedjian as French Embassador in Algeria LeMonde newspaper wrote:
 
        "...En le remplacant, M. Kessedjian, qui, en fevrier dernier, au 
moment de "l'affaire  Habache", avait ete contrait a la demission, est, en 
quelque sorte, recompense' d'avoir accepte son sort avec stoicisme et, 
surtout, en silence...Paris est non seulement accuse de mesurer son soutien 
economique, mais aussi a chercher a preserver sa chasse guardee
en decourageant, par de sournoise manoeuvres , d'autres pays d'investir en 
Algerie...Dans ces conditions, les Algeriens  sont convaincus que la France a 
pris son parti des difficultes de toute sorte qu'il traversent. Et l'on 
soupconne meme Paris de ne pas voir d'un mauvais oeil l'eventuelle arrivee au 
pouvoir des Islamistes, qui pourrait stabiliser un pays a la derive. Pour etre
formule de facon extreme, ce point de vue abrupt, que la nomination de 
Mr Kessedjian ne manquera pas de renforcer, est largement repandu dans les 
cercles dirigeants algeriens".
From: sylvain@cert.fr (Sylvain Chretien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Help with a phrase..(about Delphine)
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:17:07 GMT
Organization: CERT, CS Dpt. Toulouse, France

In article <1992Aug19.125129.17799@jussieu.fr>, mgi@ccr-p6.ccr.jussieu.fr (Marc GIRONDOT p75783) writes:

|> >>You should say  "Delphine, je te manque" and "je t'aime"  only leave out the
|> >>name Delphine and substitute the name of your own "darling."
|> >>

	Non mais tu as vu ca chere Delphine le succes que tu as sur les news!
 Je ne sais pas ce qu'il en ai dans la vie de tous les jours mais si c'est
 comme ca le harcelement sexuel tu dois connaitre. Pauvre Delphine je te
 plains, Il va vraiment falloir que tu viennes a Toulouse pour retrouver le
 calme.



|> >"I am lacking to you."  To say "I miss you" say
|> >"tu me manques!" or more romantically "tu me manques terriblement!"
|> >
|> >And how about "je ne plus vivre sans toi!" (I can't live w/out you any
|> >more!)
|> 
|> Il ne manque juste que le verbe: 
|>                "je ne peux plus vivre sans toi!"
|> (Pour une fois c'est pas detine a D... (quoique?))

	Pour Delphine ca serait plutot Je ne peux plus lire les news sans toi!

|> >
|> >Vive l'amour!`
|> 
|> La d'accord !
|> 
|> Marc

	Voila quelqu'un qui est bien. Vive Marc.
 

Sylvain Chretien			e-mail: sylvain@tls-cs.cert.fr

Le g'and noi' Mamadou concessionnaire iseki vous salue bien dit don' bwanas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: pjt@newton.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Tanenbaum)
Subject: Re: La Soeur de Gribouille
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:21:06 GMT

Il n'y a donc personne qui l'a lu?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:25:48 GMT

Followup-To: talk.politics.guns

In article <26720@life.ai.mit.edu> benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud) writes:

>>
>>And don't tell me I'm pessimistic.  It happened to my grandparents and
>>their parents, and it's happening now -- in Bosnia, at least.
>>
>>Finally, I prefer having to cope with the costs of liberty to paying
>>the price of blind trust in the government control.  The governments
>>have been known to throw my people to the wolves -- remember Vichy?
>>
>
>Well, the thing is you see, guns will -never- help you against a
>government. The day there is a coup d'etat in the US (which will have
>the support of the army, because it needs it),
>
>n ** you will look rather silly waving you little colt at a BIG TANK !!**

     There are other ways of dealing with tanks.  

>The US has the biggest (and best of course...) military in the world.
>A few (even a few milion) hunting rifles will do NOTHING against it.

     How about a hundred million guns?

     I have a hard time believing that the government wants to restrict
guns solely in the interest of my safety.

>Now, guns save no one. Look at Europe. If guns save people in the US,
>it's ONLY BECAUSE THE SAME GUNS WERE MADE AVAILABLE TO CRIMINALS.

     Excuse me?  Saving criminals from the evil armed victim?

>A gun, like tobacco, is a government approved good which, when used as
>directed, causes death.

     Tens of Millions of target shooters will disagree with you.

>Benjamin.

===========================================================================
|David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  University of Tennessee             |  
|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
===========================================================================
From: blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au (Jacques Blanc-Talon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Salut tout le monde (was) Re: Languedoc
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology

In article <591@tls-cs.cert.fr>, sylvain@cert.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
> 	Tu lui pardonne peut-etre, mais il n'empeche que c'est pas bien du tout de traiter une fille que d'abord on connait a peine de garce ou de peste. Tu merites une correction. Donc apres concertation avec Luc, nous avons decide, qu'il tu de vra copier 2000 fois la phrase suivante: Delphine n'est pas une garce ni une peste. Nous voulons la punition pour Lundi.

  Ce genre de qualificatif a petites doses me fait toujours penser a un *compliment* plutot
  qu'a une reelle injure, non ?
  Bon, allez, je suis bon prince:

  while(1) printf("Delphine n'est pas une garce ni une peste.\n");

  S'il y en a vraiment que ca amuse ...

  	A-1700 Achillator

***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
From: guillaum@pogo.trl.oz.au (Andre Guillaume)
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Reply-To: a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Organization: The Okefenokee Swamp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:45:31 GMT

Michael Zeleny dec***e encore en reponse a David SHERMAN:
|DS:
|>But Wolfhugel is absolutely right.  If the French want stricter limits
|>on firearm ownership, then it is you who must adapt, for it is their
|>decision to make.  The issue here is not gun control, or whether you 
|>believe you have a good reason for owning one, or even whether people
|>get shot despite the law.  It is deeper: you must respect the right of 
|>other people to set their own rules in their own space.  You have 
|>absolutely NO right to say otherwise, it is NOT your decision.  Fin.
|
|You must have missed the part where I started by inquiring about the French
|legislation, rather than about the means of subverting, circumventing, or
|otherwise avoiding the force of its regulations.  So far, there has been no
|first-hand factual content in any of the numerous responses I got, -- just
|conjecture and vituperation.

Eh, oh, faut pas pousser meme dans les orties ! Ne serait-ce pas plus simple
d'appeler l'aimable representation francaise la plus proche de chez toi, et
d'obtenir l'information de maniere officielle ?
Non, je pense que c'est mieux d'essayer d'utiliser la largeur de bande
a ta disposition pour ton plaisir.

|Thanks, but my concern is not with mourning for the dead.  Furthermore, I
|have no inclination to follow your personal wishes or counsel.  My interest
|is solely with the French law, not with the opinions of French nationals;
|unless you have something to say on the former subject, kindly abstain from
|further idle banter.

And for the French impaired: Michael, take your request to the nearest
French consulate/embassy and ask them there. Don't waste bandwidth on
soc.culture.french with a subject that will raise passions, as you very well
know. If your interest is solely with the French law, get official advice.
The chances of finding an expert on French weapons laws on the network are
close to zilch, so use your brains and get the info from a reliable source.
It will save you aggravation at having to endure what you call idle banter.
(I could put your name in my kill file, but I have no weapons :-) :-)

Andre Guillaume

P.S.: followups to talk.politics.guns
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:49:53 GMT

In article <558@tls-cs.cert.fr> maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet) writes:
>
>|> >A gun, like tobacco, is a government approved good which, when used as
>|> >directed, causes death.
>|> 
>|> And I WELCOME and APPROVE DEATH--DEATH FOR CRIMINALS WHO ATTACK
>|> LAW ABIDING CITIZENS--OLD MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN--WITH KNIVES AND BRUTE
>|> STRENGTH . . . DEATH FOR TYRANTS LIKE ADOLF HITLER AND HIS FASCIST
>|> OLIGARCHY OF GENOCIDE. 
>|> 
>|> And indeed, I WOULD RISK MY LIFE FOR THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS,
>|> .  .  . THE RIGHT TO BE FREE.
>
>  It's not your decision. The only difference between animal and man is society
>and its laws. Not law of the strongest: law to protect the weak. Asking for
>the right to carry and use weapons is just going back to the Law of the 
>strongest. I just hate the thought of it.

     You may hate it, but the right is ours in the US.  I quote from our
     second amendment "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
     not be infringed".

     As far as an arms race in the streets goes.  It certainly can be
     made no greater by me carrying an assault rifle.  After all, an RPG
     or a mortar is probably too difficult to carry around, and nuclear
     artellery could be rather hazardous to the user.

     You also seem to have fundamental misunderstandings about the philosophy
     underlying the US government.  It is certainly not to regulate social
     interactions until it is 'safe' to carry guns.

     Back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

     Bon nuit.

                           dale bass



-- 
C. R. Bass                                           crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia                            (804) 924-7926
Xref: sparky soc.culture.french:5836 talk.politics.guns:19360
From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:01:57 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <529@tls-cs.cert.fr>
maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet) writes:

>In article <1992Aug16.123701.14788@husc3.harvard.edu>,
>zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>|> >						      Anyway carrying arms
>|> >is illegal (except hunting arms I guess) without a permit. 

MZ:
>|> I am aware of that much, and would like to know the details about
>|> obtaining one.

LM:
>  D'apres ce que j'en sais. Il y a deux cas possibles: soit cette arme n'est
>pas destinee a etre transportee (stockee a domicile, par ex), et dans ce cas,
>a condition de l'avoir neutralisee au prealable, les formalites sont minimes...
>mais pour les armes utilisables, si elles ne sont pas destinees a l'utilisation
>dans un club de tir ( et dans ce cas, le transport de ladite arme doit obeir
>a des regles draconiennes ), c'est NIET. L'obtention de permis est quasi-impos-
>-sible a obtenir en france, sauf si une raison professionnelle intervient. 

C'est bien dommage.  Pourtant, j'ai une raison professionnelle qui
parait etre suffisant a satisfaire le Commonwealth de Massachussetts.

LM:
>									   Les
>armes de chasse sont bien entendu exclues de cette loi, ce qui, incidemment,
>est bien desolant.

Pourquoi?

LM:
>  Donc, a moins que d'autres personnes sur s.c.f. me contredisent ( mes rensei-
>-gnements ne sont pas de premiere main ), un bon conseil: abstiens-toi, ou va
>te renseigner dans un organisme officiel (style consulat ou ambassade).

Non, merci.

LM:
>  Mais, par pure curiosite, qu'est-ceque tu comptes faire d'une arme?

Bien entendu, je vais descendre dans la rue, revolvers au poing, tirant au
hazard, tant que je peux, dans la foule.  Tu sais, vos ecrivains m'ont
appris que tel acte est toujours a la mode a Paris.

D'ailleurs, je suis un je m'enfoutiste; par consequent, il me faut quelque
engin de destruction afin d'ajouter un peu de conviction a mes refus
d'obeissance, tu piges?

>  							Z.
>
>  "Here's a gun, take it home, wait by the phone
>   We'll send someone over to bring you what you need
>   You're a one-man death machine, make this city bleed"
>
>				QUEENSRYCHE - Operation: Mindcrime-

Tu sais, plusieurs de mes ancetres ont ete asphyxies par les Nazis; quant a
ma tante, elle a ete violee et tuee par quelque salaud.  Moi, j'aimerais
bien qu'ils eussent une arme quelconque afin d'etre capable de se defendre
pendant ces temps-la...

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
From: sylvain@tls-cs.cert.fr (Sylvain Chretien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Salut tout le monde (was) Re: Languedoc
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:49:32 GMT
Organization: CERT Toulouse Dept of Computer Science, FRANCE

In article <1992Aug17.115712.14899@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin) writes:
|> In <531@tls-cs.cert.fr> sylvain@tls-cs.cert.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Aug16.001223.14035@news.Hawaii.Edu>, roddier@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Dominique Roddier) writes:
|> 
|> >|> Anyway je vois que vous vous battez pour les beaux yeux de Delphine. Qu'est
|> >|> ce que il faut faire pour jouer? j'ai rate le debut  mais bon, Delphine 
|> >|> je te salue bien bas, et si Hawaii t'attire, ce sera un plaisir 
|> >|> que de te montrer des plages de sable blond, sous les cocotiers en fleurs
|> >|> Ok Olivier, Luc et les 2 Sylvain, vous avez le choix des larmes.
|> >|> 
|> >       Non mais c'est qui ce grand comique la pour qui il se prend! En
|> >tout cas tu as tout compris au jeu. Mais attention aux duels on va pas
|> >se laisser faire comme ca. Olivier Luc et l'autre Sylvain reagissait
|> >vite.  >
|> 
|> moi aussi j'habite a cote de la mer... quel craneur ce Dominique.  Et
|> puis vous en connaissez beacoup vous des capitales avec une plage et une
|> baie (a peu pres) propre au centre ville avec reserve ornithologique
|> incorporee?  Hawaii? pfuu!  Dublin c'est nettement mieux. (le mieux
|> c'est qu'il y a aussi des palmiers en Irlande...)  Et de toute facon,
|> je ne pense pas qu'ils aient quoi que ce soit de buvable (i.e. bieres
|> correctes) la bas (Hawaii) de toute facon.
|> 
|> -- 
|> //Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, fax: (+353-1)772204, e-mail: Louboutin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie
|> //Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, (+353-1)7021539 ...
|> //Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland-  ASK-18

	tout a fait d'accord avec sylvain, Dublin c'est mieux qu'Hawai, mais n'importe comment rien ne vaut Toulouse. On a les bieres, la plage pas loin et le Pont-Neuf, je tiens a le rappeler a tous les joueurs. 

Sylvain Chretien			e-mail: sylvain@tls-cs.cert.fr

Le g'and noi' Mamadou concessionnaire iseki vous salue bien dit don' bwanas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: bg959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel A. Mayer)
Subject: Ou est la revue de la presse?
Reply-To: bg959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel A. Mayer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:21:49 GMT


Est-ce que quelqu'un sait pourquoi on ne recoit plus la revue de la
presse ici?  Est-il possible de la chercher ailleurs en Internet, par
FTP, par exemple?

Merci.     Joel
From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 08:12:23 GMT

In article <80950@bcsaic.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com writes:
>In article 14368@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
>
>>     You may hate it, but the right is ours in the US.  I quote from our
>>     second amendment "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
>>     not be infringed".
>
>"..."?????  Pourquoi est-ce qu'il a jetez des mots:  "A well-regulated militia,
>being necessary to the security of a free state..."?  C'est curieux, n'est-ce pas?
>;-)

   Not at all.  I just did not wish to debate the meaning of the words
   before the relevant section.  In any case, it has been implied by at 
   least one recent Justice (Powell) that if I form a local militia on my 
   block, then the government cannot take away my guns, no matter what
   the reinterpretation of the words.

   If we really were to debate this issue, we would have to consider
   original intent, which clearly does not emphasize the leading clause.
   There is also that little matter of the 9th and 10th amendments that
   have been so trampled-upon of late (say for the past 180 years).

   In any case, there is fundamental difference regarding firearms
   between European countries and les \'Etats-Unis.

                                  dale bass
-- 
C. R. Bass                                           crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia                            (804) 924-7926
From: bernadet@aisb.ed.ac.uk (PANDA'S WASP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Help with a phrase..
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:43:36 GMT
Reply-To: bernadet@aifh.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

Re help with a phrase. Is the person from Europe or French Canadian.
Please any French Canadians correct me here, but most of the time I
heard :

"Je m'ennuie de toi"

rather than 

"Tu me manques"

So maybe if the person is French Canadian you should use the former? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: guillaum@pogo.trl.oz.au (Andre Guillaume)
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Reply-To: a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Organization: The Okefenokee Swamp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:13:37 GMT

Le brave Michael Zeleny s'evertue a nous faire comprendre que pour vivre
heureux il faut vivre arme. Mais la ou je trouve qu'il va un peu loin, et
mes excuses si ce n'est lui qui a commence le cross-posting, c'est qu'il
va faire appel a ses petits copains. Pour preuve l'entete de son article <1992Aug18.142525.14856@husc3.harvard.edu>:

Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mais qu'il prenne ce sujet et qu'il reste chez lui, c'est-a-dire
talk.politics.guns. (Oui, pas besoin de me rappeler que je peux ajouter
son nom a mon kill-file: mais ca me fait trop penser au fait qu'il faudrait
un kalashnikov pour l'y faire entrer :-)

Je prefere encore mille fois lire les elucubrations marrantes des
concessionnaires Iseki a Toulouse :-) Merci les gars (et Delphine !!)

Andre Guillaume

P.S.: Followup to talk.politics.guns. Maintenant qu'il a ete repete a
plusieurs reprises qu'il est interdit d'avoir des joujoux de guerre en France,
n'en parlons plus ici.