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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug19.231626.13683
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
: 	So Jeffery D. isn't guilty of killing all those people
: and storeing their body parts in his appartment? So we shouldn't
: strap him into the chair and fry him, right? Conviction does equal

You're DAMN right you shouldn't strap him into the chair and convict
him.

And yes, I do believe he's guilty.  And you can imagine how horrifying
I found it.  I LIVE in Milwaukee.  A couple of girlfriends and I used
to go to gay bars for fun, and I have a lot of gay friends.  The idea
of ANY of them "disappearing" wasn't exactly "endearing", okay?

But he should NOT be murdered for his crimes.

: guilty. SOME mistakes are made, but we are only human. I'd rather

If killing innocent people is wrong, then avoid it at all costs.  If
killing another person is wrong, don't do it.  The death penalty
potentially violates the first and actively violates the second.

I believe both.

: see Jeffy D in the chair than back on the streets. A "life" sentance
: is hardly that.

But murder is wrong.  I DO believe something else is needed.  But the
death penalty is murder, no matter who the person being murdered is.
I'm very absolute on that belief.

: 	Richard Speck killed several student nurses, one of them was my
: aunt's husband's sister. For this he recived "life" in prision. YET he
: was up for paroll several times before he died in prison! Every time
: the realitives of those who were kill had to go to his paroll hearings
: and testify to denie him paroll. Is this "fair"? No way! He should have been
: fried on the chair.

I know what it's like to lose a friend.  A close friend.  Lee has
AIDS, this will be his last Christmas.  I know what a loss it is, and
I know how much I'm going to miss Lee's company.

But you haven't changed my mind.  I'm just telling you my point of
view, respect that as I respect yours.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:35:56 GMT

In article <bn.0051@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.064210.27576@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>
>> : Here's the specs on the Atari Falcon 030:
>> :
>> :   CPU:  Motorola 68030 running at 16 Mhz
>> :   32-bit Bus
>
>I just find it a bit ironic, that while Atari is finally coming out with
>a 16 MHz  68030 machine, Commodore is already droping the 16 MHz product in
>favor of the 25 MHz machines.

Commodore's new machines are dropping the CPU altogether.  :-)

>I must say that I concur with Gregory on his assesment of the Falcon. I
>don't think that the A4000 has anything to worry about. It seems to me
>that Atari just rushed it to the market too fast (like the orig. ST) and
>the product shows it. Also, how does a company expect to seriously compete
>in the PROFESSIONAL market when their top of the line computer has
>an OPTIONAL hard drive??? I don't think that any office would want to
>run a computer off floppies these days.  Imagine buying an A3000 without
>a hard disk. Sort of a damper on performance, don't you think?

Atari is really going to push the Falcon as the ultimate video game console,
so why bother with a hard drive?  If they really intended to market it as
a professional machine they would have not only included a hard drive but
also put it into something other than a toy case.

As for A3000s without hard-drives, probably not a great idea.  But given
the prices of large IDE drives, I'd like to be able to purchase an A3400
(or whatever they call it) sans hard-drive.  An A3400 without hard-drive
and CPU card could be a cheap way for users to get an AA machine and would
leave room for the third-party folks to supply CPU boards, hard-drives, etc.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  Bo Najdrovsky  bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu bn@okcforum.uoknor.edu|    //	   |
>|						               |   //	   |
>|      "I remember now, I remember how it started..."         | \X/ AMIGA |
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  Skip Sauls
  skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu





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From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)
Subject: Re: A570 price
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:22:25 GMT

In article <276@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com> hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden) writes:
> In article <liam.05w5@durie.amigans.gen.nz> liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug10.213202.15982@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
> >>A570 available in Sweden?!?  Another CBM stunt, release the stuff in
> >>Europe, keep the U.S. in the dark and a year behind the rest of the world...
> >>great.
> 
> The A570 is not available in Sweden. 50 units were sold to dealers this
> spring as demo units, and to developers.
> 
> It has *not* been released to the general public.
> 

Its available to anyone with the cash etc from our local Amiga dealer 
in Wellington new Zealand.
Along with A600 or A600HD as well plus plenty of full 20.4 ROM kits


> 
> 
> -- 
> ============================================================\\======
> Peter Hjalmarsson     \  hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com  \\  _
> Amiga Support Engineer >-----------------------------------   \\//
> Commodore Sweden      /  ...speaking for myself, not Commodore \/

Keith
From: drg50@ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Gavin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:09:54 GMT
Reply-To: drg50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Gavin)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Boston MA

In article <1992Aug22.193045.16952@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>   There was a segment on CNN last night about a new program that IBM has 
>created, to help schools teach with CD-ROM multimedia systems.  The systems
.
. (Some outstanding drivel removed)
.
> 
>   Commodore has been making modified versions of the CDTV OS compatible with
>AmigaOS 2.0 available to CDTV developers for several months now.  I'm pretty
>certain that only the extra 256K of CDTV-specific ROM has been modified; the
>rest of the OS is the standard 512K 2.04 ROM.  What I propose is getting a
>dump of the 2.04-compatible 256K CDTV ROM into the hands of one of the bigger
>European cracking groups, with the challenge that they develop a software-only
>package that would allow A2000 and A3000 systems with a capable SCSI CD-ROM
>drive to run CDTV software.  After all, if Commodore will not support us,
>why should we continue to support them by remaining loyal to them?  This
.
.
.
>   If any Commodore reps have the gall to say that this is somehow immoral,
>I would like to ask them what is so immoral about trying in any way possible
>to push the AMIGA (not the CDTV) into the booming CD-ROM multimedia market?
>Commodore has shown absolutely no desire to provide support that would allow
>the Amiga to survive and compete in this market, despite how easy it would be
>to provide such support.  This is the greater immorality, IMO.
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Coming soon to a theatre near you: "Honey, I Shrunk the Sales!".
>   starring George Burns as Irving Gould.


Marc,
 You continually amaze and amuse me... but this time you've outdone yourself.
You are, I understand from prior postings, a registered developer - and here
you are advocating the violation of the agreements that go with that status.

  a. C= should refund your money and cut you off.
  b. You are advocating copyright violation - why do you still have internet 
     access?
  c. Please sell your Amiga and buy a PC and annoy those folks for a while.
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:29:29 GMT

lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson) writes:
: Julius Caesar, and I believe it was saide by a soothsayer predicting Caesar's
: death.  I make no claims as to the accuracy here...

You're right, it was the Soothsayer who said:  "Beware the Ides of
March!!!".  ;)  Julius Caesar was walking into the doors of the Senate
meeting, I believe...

I'm awfully rusty on Julius Caesar.  It wasn't exactly my favorite play.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: World of Commodore show
Originator: gorrie@hercules
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:37:17 GMT

Who is going to the World of Commodore show, Pasedena, CA? 
Will you be able to make posts to the net and keep the rest
of us informed as to whats new/old at the show?  It would be
much appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Dennis Gorrie                           gorriede@max.cc.uregina.ca
gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca           gorrie@meena.cc.uregina.ca
         "I used to be apathetic, but now I don't care..."

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:19:19 GMT

jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
:     Not all killing is "murder". And the needs of the many outweigh
:     the needs of the one, as some wise humanist said once. :)

--Except, as came to mind when responding to the Hitler post, I don't
subscribe to that belief.  To make another Star Trek reference,
remember what Piccard said about the first right tread upon during
those trials???  I can't remember the line, but it pretty much sums up
my beliefs.--

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:51:05 GMT

In a previous article, Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins) says:

>In a message dated Sun  9 Aug 92  2:16, jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
>wrote:
>
> JY> This is LAST answer to all you insults.  GO CHANGE YOU DIAPER!!
>
>I am sorry, but this last statement made me laugh right out loud! Certainly
>improved my opinion of this Atari user. ;-)

It seems to me that Mr. Young is a good comedian, though not quite in the
big leagues with Dan Barrett.  The fact that he may use Atari computers is
irrelevant.  You have to laugh at, "GO CHANGE YOU DIAPER!!"

-- Gerald
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From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Price of CD-I
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:35:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.AeYbUwq00XNIAQ7VY5
	<1992Aug19.000858.22985@cheshire.oxy.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Phillips just dropped the list price of CD-I players by $300 to $699
[NYT business section, Tues Aug 18].
I hope that Commodore does something similar to CDTV (for purely selfish
reasons of course; I'd like a cheap CDTV compatable CD-Rom drive for my
A3000, and I'd like to see CDTVs become the main consumer amiga, because
of the salutory effect that would have on the quality of games [I have
been getting games recently with 4-12 floppys, so space is obviously
becoming a limiting factor] and on their price [CD-ROMs are cheaper to
manufacture than 6 floppys are, and much, much harder to pirate
[assuming that a significant portion of the disk contains data used by
the game, or program, or whatever]).

michael
p.s. please only followup on advocacy, since this mentions a non-amiga
computer, it seems to belong only there.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DREAM TEAM ==> Lynx, Falcon, Jaguar
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:39:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>	Let's see...what else does CBM do...
>>
>>	They don't make the following:
>>
>>	C64
>>	C128
>>
>>	A2000
>>	B2000
>>	A500
>>	A500+
>>	A600
>>	A3000/16
>>	A3000/25
>>	A3000T
>>	A3000T/040
>>	A3000UX
>>
>>	486 Towers
>>	486 Desktops
>>	386/486? Laptops
>>	386/486? Portables
>>	286 systems?
>>

>You forgot:

>	386 Towers
>	386 Desktops
>	A2500
didn't C= made PET and a "workstation" based on Z8000(?) also?  

>--
>Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

>		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:59:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug21.005917.25340
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Aug20.200733.21745@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.042252.9987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.003046.27379@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>>Any wagers on sound capabilities?
>>
>>ECS Paula.
>
>There is no ECS Paula; the A3000 has the same Paula as the A1000.  As
>I understand it, the Paula for AA will still be the very same Paula.
>
>I figure the technology in Paula is just so obscure that no one at
>Commodore has yet been able to figure it out or duplicate it.  The
>audio channels are *analog* outputs!  This is not a simple digital
>chip.  Whatever Amiga Corp. engineer developed Paula and then got
>canned took Paula's technology with him.

   That assumes that Paula was designed as a discrete chip, somewhat
independently of the others, but this isn't true.  The three chips were
originally designed as one big chip, but implemented later as three
seperate chips for production reasons.  Therefore Paula could not be much
more obscure than the other two, since they were originally part of
the same design.

>-- 
>Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
>OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
-----------------------------------------------------
     "Beware the ides of September..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:52:53 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>Too bad the Falcon doesn't really have an OS.  Hacks layered upon a stupid
>program launcher hardly qualify as an OS, but it should be enough to fool
>the suckers who already have STs and don't know any better.

Please tell me when the Amiga gets an OS, i bought mine in 1986
and am still waiting for an OS.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: How to Solve Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:25:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.193045.16952@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu
(Marc N Barrett) writes:

>   Commodore has been making modified versions of the CDTV OS compatible with
>AmigaOS 2.0 available to CDTV developers for several months now.  I'm pretty
>certain that only the extra 256K of CDTV-specific ROM has been modified; the
>rest of the OS is the standard 512K 2.04 ROM.  What I propose is getting a
>dump of the 2.04-compatible 256K CDTV ROM into the hands of one of the bigger
>European cracking groups, with the challenge that they develop a software-only
>package that would allow A2000 and A3000 systems with a capable SCSI CD-ROM
>drive to run CDTV software.

Incredibly obtuse, to say the least. Has it ever occurred to you that such
an effort is not currently in the works? I know of at least one company
that is making legitimate progress in conjunction with CBM to ensure CDTV
compatibility for A2000/A3000 CD-ROM users. 

[..]

>   Coming soon to a theatre near you: "Honey, I Shrunk the Sales!".
>   starring George Burns as Irving Gould.

Coming soon to an Amiga SIG near you:

    Morph Plus for .advoacy posters. Transform a self-appointed Gadfly
    into a Horses' Ass in one easy step.

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.220533.21552@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>It did appear that you were considering "DOS and Windows
>compatibility" to be a feature over AmigaOS.
>

Greg, if you had the option to run Windows and DOS, would you do it?

>Greg
>
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-- 
Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 
"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:22117 comp.sys.amiga.misc:12929
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.021701.4770@tronsbox.xei.com> bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
>It would be interesting to see how many of the $20 registered
>developers have produced code.  For many people, registering is a
>legal way to obtain official header files to use with DICE, and a way

Nope.  CATS will sell the Native Developer update to anyone for $20, via
their Department C.  No need to register as a developer.  
You could buy them to work with PDC, or DICE.
(BTW, the registered version of DICE comes on a disks which include
the header files;  only people who don't register the compiler and
continue to use it anyway (sort of defeats the spirit of shareware)
need to order the Native Developer Update for use with DICE)

Certified registration in the developer program , which costs around $75
( or $100) requires you to be working on a product and gets you different 
things;  such as access to a closed developer conference on BIX, early access 
to beta releases (sometimes not as early as the pirates, sigh :-) ) , and so on.

> *         Bill Cavanaugh       bleys@tronsbox.xei.com          *


			andy
-- 
andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy

"Some people think MS-DOS is a necessary evil.  They are wrong.  MS-DOS
 is _not_ necessary."


Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.atari.st
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released!  No more rumor...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 08:06:12 GMT


Is Kent Dalton telling TRUTH of Multi TOS and Falcon??  What Atari
experts say? 

In article <KENTD.92Aug5151644@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>
>No. MultiTOS is the gross/disgusting ST-TOS with Eric Smith's PD MiNT
>package (ironically, it stands for MiNT is Not TOS) hacked in. MiNT
>replaces the ST's BIOS with traps to it's own multitasking BIOS
>routines. Programs must be linked with MiNT to multitask and last time I
>used an ST (admittedly a long while ago), it only could run 1 GEM app at
>a time regardless of how it was linked. In a word, when compared to an
>actual OS, MultiTOS SUCKS. Even if it were better integrated, it would
>still be suck when compared to much more featureful OSes such as
>
>The UNIX babble above probably refers to the UNIX emulation type link
>libraries available for MiNT for use with C compilers (specifically
>GCC). It's really no different than ixemul.library for the Amiga (except
>ixemul is a shared library which TOS/MiNT does not support.)
>
>Aside from the DSP and the 15bit 320x200 (ugh) mode the Falcon doesn't
>offer anything special, SCSI-2 is no big deal for a "budget" machine
>given that SCSI2 peripherals that actually use the real SCSI-2 features
>will cost several X more than the Falcon box. 
>
>So, for $700 (current rumored price) you get a 16MHz 68030/68881 box
>that: is limited to 16Mb RAM, has a putrid OS, has a SINGLE proprietary
>expansion slot, NO Hard Disk, and NO monitor, in that gross ST case.
>Wheee. By the time you add a decent size disk (external if you want
>SCSI2 (way expensive) internal is IDE 2.5" *only*), and decent multisync
>monitor it's up there in price with 33MHz 386 and 25MHz 486 VGA boxes
>which just *crush* the 16MHz in raw performance.
>




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