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Subject: Re: aids started by cia?  NOT!
From: thayes@desire.wright.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:59:37 EST
 <16AUG199221553913@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> <16ncq5INNia4@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Aug17.154902.14822@husc3.harvard.edu>
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In article <1992Aug17.154902.14822@husc3.harvard.edu>, 
rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher) writes:

> In article <16ncq5INNia4@agate.berkeley.edu> gertben@ocf.berkeley writes:
>>was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or military)?

Great stupid idea!  This implies that the CIA was able to (a) invent something
in total secrecy, and (b) make it *so effective* that no one else has yet 
been able to figure out how it works OR how to stop its effects.  This is 
something like believing that the Mafia is spreading drugs among minorities
just because some lines in "The Godfather" imply this.

Now, for the other part of the post...

> a study was
> being done in Africa on the spread of or resistance to malaria, in which
> some doctor took blood from some type of monkey or ape, and then injected it
> into local volunteers (or maybe they weren't volunteers?) to see if they    
> became infected with malaria (I forgot to mention, the apes they drew blood   
> from were infected with malaria). Since it is generally believed that AIDS
> was initially spread to humans from apes, the theory here is that the 
> initial transfer was at the hands of some western doctor carrying out an
> experiment.

A version of this story was published in both *Rolling Stone* and *U.S.News
& World Report* several months ago.  See back issues in your local library
for details.  However, as I remember, both reports were of the opinion that 
the transmittance was monkey to man, and that it was coincidental.

-----ted hayes
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From: gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: aids started by cia?
Date: 17 Aug 1992 05:17:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or military)? A lot
of time and money is spent on bacteriological warfare and it seems obivious
that someone would want to test the effects of one of these diseases in the 
outside world. AIDS primarily affects IV drug users, homosexuals, the promicous,
the uncareful, prostitutes, and those in third world nations such as haiti and african nations. a very expendable group from their point of view. AIDS has    
resulted in shifting people's attention from other issues unfavorable to the
ruling class such as nuclear arms. It has also encouraged people to become more conservative in their sexual habits and helped legitmize prejudice against

seen a video that featured some scientist who explained how this is done.

-Ben
gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu

From: Gary.Stollman@iphase.UUCP (Gary Stollman)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
From: sspy@west.darkside.com (mshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Data Encryption
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:03:35 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

Can anyone offer current information on the DES, such as how secure is it 
against attack by eg the Cray C-90 or other super computers; the proposed 
NIST DSS and if they have given up on trying to get the software industry 
to accept it. Also in need of info on estimated time to break the RSA by 
various computers based on 200 to 300 bit keys and if brute force is a 
possible attack method, or does it have to be factored. Would be grateful 
for any advice.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Edited repost of John DiNardo's Inslaw/Casolaro series (3 of 5)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:11:37 GMT


EDITORIAL NOTE - This file contains material originally posted to Usenet
by John DiNardo in 5 installments. To save space, only the first of the 5
usenet headers has been included. In addition, John's opening and closing 
comments supporting station WBAI and urging concerned citizens to pass 
along this information are in fact composites of John's opening and 
closing remarks in various of the 5 collected posts. Note although the
closing portion of the transcript concludes with (to be continued) John
has not as yet posted further portions of this interview, although he 
has posted other transcripts relating to the Casolaro case which I have
collected in other files.
                                      -Steve Crocker
                                        12/25/91
Article 7650 of soc.rights.human:
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talk.politics.misc,soc.rights.human
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:45:02 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

rda834x@nella4.cc.monash.edu.au (J. Zufi) writes:

>Is it a fact that the original purpose of the Patriot was an anti-aircraft
>missile, whose task was to explode in the vicinity of an aircraft, thereby
>releasing approx 700 metal shards into the air, shredding the target?

Well, without going into the number of fragments, yes.
--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"I've got LOT's of common sense. I just choose to ignore it." -- Calvin
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:54:29 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group

In <1992Aug18.052013.27077@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott) writes:

>djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211) writes:
>:       They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!
>:                             ^^^^^

>what the hell does that mean? Or is it just paranoia?

It's a joke. Follow the thread and it's reasonably clear.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.bush
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: White House whistle-blower
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.044153.2009@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Condon@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Condon) writes:
>Does anybody have any ideas as to who the unnamed "high White House official"
>was who tipped off the New York Times about Bush's plans for Iraq?

It was a planned leak by Bush and Baker...through some subordinate...
a little disinformation...a successful convention is too important
to Bush's reelection chances to bomb Baghdad during it.

Gerald

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From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:53:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <1992Aug18.052013.27077@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au writes:
> djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211) writes:
> > They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!

> Of course it's caused by viri. Don't insult the memory those who have died
> from this terrible disease by bringing down to the level of half-assed
> armchair revolution. And check your facts before engaging your keyboard.

Can you cite any references or other proof that AIDS is caused by a virus?
The cause of AIDS is not known.  Almost all AIDS patients also have HIV,
but there is no proven cause-effect between HIV and AIDS.  It might just
be that people with AIDS are very subseptible to HIV, or an HIV infection
makes a person subseptible to whatever causes AIDS.  The very name of the
problem should give this away: AIDS.  The S stands for syndrome, which means
a collection of symptoms--not a single disease.  Also, HIV is not a
virus, it is a retro-virus.  A retro-virus acts like a virus in some ways,
but its life cycle (especially reproduction) is much more interesting.

-john-

-- 
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From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Subject: Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 07:07:41 GMT


In a previous article, schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) says:


>Oh, fer Chrissakes: the Kurds were well armed, but that didn't stop Hussein
>from slaughtering them. On the other side, the Poles, Czechs, Russians
>et al. had virtually no weapons, yet their governments collapsed like
>empty sacks of wheat. 
>
>I for one am tired of seeing the claim that the right to bear penis
>substitutes is guaranteed by our Constitution. The days when a militia
>of gentleman farmers could determine the social order are dead.
>
Well, too bad for you, sucker.  The second amendment is in very clear
language.   If you don't like it, move out of the US, or work to change it,
but don't try to make it mean other than what it says, or maybe those of us
who don't like whatever you're doing that's Constitutionally protected will
use the precedent _you_ so thoughtfully gave us against you.  That
s how our law works, you know---precedents.

BTW, if guns _are_ "penis substitutes" (which nobody familiar with
psychology believes; Freud mentioned guns along with a lot of other
commonplace objects as things that could stand for penes _in dreams_; and
Freud's not considered Gospel any more anyway) than what does that make
_you_, who want to take them away?
-- 
Technomad.  Portmanteau word from a novel I'm roughing out, about
a nomadic culture in a "cyberpunk" dark future.  I thought it up
before Cyberpunk 2020 ever came out.  On ISCA and Quartz, they
know me as a Flame-god.  cc697@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:41:54 GMT

gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:

: was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or
: military)? A lot of time and money is spent on bacteriological
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: warfare and it seems obivious that someone would want to test the
: effects of one of these diseases in the outside world.
:

AIDS is caused by a virus, not a bacterium.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Actually, what I'd like
Rosemount Inc.                                |is a little toy spaceship!!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
From: mturner@aris.ss.uci.edu (Matthew Turner)
Subject: RE: Scudbusters
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:51:38 GMT



In article <1992Aug21.211113.630@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

|> 
|> Israel found a ship that looked suspiciously like an American spy
|> ship.  They asked the Yanks who, after checking into it, denied that
|> it was American.  So the Israelis looked at it again and the Yanks
|> continued to insist that all American ships had been pulled out of
|> there.  The Israelis said that if it's not American, then perhaps it's
|> Russian, Egyptian or something else and we're gonna send it away.  The
|> Yanks said "Be my guest".
|> 
|> Now tell us who fouled up here?
|> 

Interesting version of the story.  I have never, in any reports I have read, heard that the Israelis contacted the US.  You got some documentation?  The Israelis knew what ship it was, it was the only one in that part of the world that fit it's desciption.  They also knew where to hit the ship with their weapons...they went for the listening devices.  There can be little doubt that the Israelis wanted to keep their other operations that day secret, and that meant hitting that ship.

Don't get me wrong...the NSA is really at fault here, they knew what operations were going on in Israel, and moved the ship in closer to look.  They should have considered things more deeply first.


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                      mturner@aris.ss.uci.edu

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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Rely on science
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:51:20 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Rely on Science not on purposeful environmental hysteria
part 1 of 4 parts.... Global Warming
   Environmentalists claim: Mankind's wasteful and dangerous habits are 
forcing the earth's temperature upward. A 1990 United Nations panel declared 
that global warming would result in reduced sumer rains, parched agricultural 
fields, an eight inch rise in global sea level, and devastation along all of 
the world's coastlines.
Scientists Respond: For close to 100 years, temperature and precipitation 
redings have been recorded daily at thousands of stations worldwide. Also, 
for the past dozen years, weather satelites launched by NASA have been taking 
temperature readings over both land and water. These readings confirm:no 
warming and no cooling.
1:Science and environmental Policy Project statement authorized by a group of 
prominent meterologists, climatologists and atmospheric physicts;Fairfax 
Virginia,1992
2:Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr.J.R Christy, DAta Shows Global WArming to be a MYTH, 
science magazine, March 1990
3:RObert BAlling, PhD, The heated debate, Pacific Research Institute, 1992

------
techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184
From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: INVASION!!!
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:49:32 -0500

Hello John_-_Winston!

 J-W> Dear Gary: It's good to hear you on the Net. People try to flame
 J-W> me by calling me you.

Why?  Are you as whacked out as he is?



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: tomj@monster.saic.com (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Reply-To: tomj@monster.saic.com (Tom Johnson)
Organization: SAIC, McLean, VA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.154313.11222@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
>
>Yeah, that's it, the NIH is actually part of the CIA, which is run by
>the Freemasons, who really have three-stranded DNA because they are
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmm.....
THREE-stranded DNA ..... TRIlateral commission ...........  GASP!!!

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,sci.skeptic,misc.legal
From: mayer@sono.uucp (Ron Mayer)
Subject: Re: Marilyn Monroe
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,sci.skeptic,talk.politics.misc
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
	<1992Aug19.174124.14239@pdn.paradyne.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:38:36 GMT



Note: This thread doesn't belong here so misc.legal removed from followups.


In article <1992Aug19.174124.14239@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>Last week's PEOPLE magazine did a re-cap of the questions surrounding
>Marilyn's death and, essentially accussed RFK of her murder.  [...]
>The methods they accused the Kennedys of using to cover up this
>"embarassment to the administration" will sound very familiar to the
>readers of this newsgroup: suppression of evidence, falsification of
>records, tampering with the scene of a crime, and murder. [...]
>What's the opinion of the newsgroup concerning this issue?  Is this
>a Red Herring?  A smear job on the Kennedys?  Or, does this actually
>fit in somewhere with the JFK murder?

Bizzare.  How many women is this family accused of raping, killing, or
otherwize abusing!  I heard Presedent Kennedy had a reputation of
being a womanizer, but I don't know how how he treated them.  Now the
accusuation that R. Kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe because of an affair
with JFK.  That other Kennedy reportedly reacted very poorly after he
killed that woman by driving her off a bridge and leaving her to drown
without even seeking help.  The recent rape trial of another member of
the Kennedy family just adds to the pattern.  [Sorry, I forgot both
these guy's names; I'm sure someone on the net'll fill in the details.]
Could the value system of that family be so messed up that it results
in such behavior?

It seems that in this political climate where rumors about candidates
frequently destroy's their political carreers, the Kennedy family has
gotten away with a quite a few really severe accusations with at least
some evidence backing them up.

While I don't really believe any of the wilder allegations; the
pattern of accusations seems indicate that the family fosters a
rather warped set of attitudes, especially towards women.  

Are any of you voters, especially women, concerned that such a value
system may be inappropriate for politicians in this country?

(Maybe Bush should give the Kennedy family a family values speech:-))


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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns (Was: Re: A random thought)
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:28:31 GMT
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klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) writes:
>An unchecked deer population will cause real property damage and
>economic damage.
>...
>Hunting is both a humane and necessary means of keeping the deer
>population under control.  ...

While I tend to agree with your posting, I'll reluctantly point out
that claiming hunting to be `humane' may be overstating the case,
especially because very little training is required to hunt, leading
to some inhumane situations which anti-hunters will almost always
drag into the argument.  It may be the most `humane' way we have at
the moment, but it can be improved (in my opinion).

Mark Runyan
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:10168 alt.politics.bush:2270
From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: White House whistle-blower
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:11:57 GMT
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In article <1992Aug18.073847.194@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...
>In article <1992Aug18.044153.2009@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Condon@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Condon) writes:
>>Does anybody have any ideas as to who the unnamed "high White House official"
>>was who tipped off the New York Times about Bush's plans for Iraq?
> 
>It was a planned leak by Bush and Baker...through some subordinate...
>a little disinformation...a successful convention is too important
>to Bush's reelection chances to bomb Baghdad during it.

On the other hand, the inspection team *was* scheduled to inspect a building
to which they knew Saddam Hussein had sworn to not allow them access.  They
changed plans after the leak ruined their element of surprise.  Certainly
the convention was too important for Bush to allow such an inspection to 
precipitate a humiliating stand-off for the U.S. during the convention.

I figure that either he really planned military action (he did promise to
use any means necessary to get reelected) or he planted the leak to force
the team to change their plans, thus avoiding the stand-off.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
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From: jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?  NOT!
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:19:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt8IG0.1zw.1
Distribution: world,local
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes
> Fumento writes about a St. Louis gay prostitute who died of AIDS in the 50's.
> Didn't sound like the man had ever been to Africa.  So much for that
> conspiracy theory.

Do you ever bother to stop and think?  One of the prostitute's
customers might have been to Africa.
From: 6500lem@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Laurence Mailaender)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Every Successfully Untaxed?
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:24:55 GMT


Interesting!  Could you post more info on"stop-filing"?
How do you terminate your "contract" with the IRS?

I think "60 Minutes" did a segment about 2 years ago about
an engineer at NASA/Goddard who advocated this type of
"tax revolt"; I believe he was taken to court over his
non-filing, but I don't know the outcome.

	Thanks,  Laurence

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From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?  NOT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:02:54 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug17.195937.3544@desire.wright.edu > thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:
 >> a study was
 >> being done in Africa on the spread of or resistance to malaria, in which
 >> some doctor took blood from some type of monkey or ape, and then injected it
 >> into local volunteers (or maybe they weren't volunteers?) to see if they    
 >> became infected with malaria (I forgot to mention, the apes they drew blood   
 >> from were infected with malaria). Since it is generally believed that AIDS
 >> was initially spread to humans from apes, the theory here is that the 
 >> initial transfer was at the hands of some western doctor carrying out an
 >> experiment.

	I recall reading, a year or two ago, but never kepr the reference,
that doctors had found traces of the AIDS virus in samples retained from
a man who died in 1951. Anyone else recall this, and how does it affect
the conspiracy theory?
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