HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:00:32 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <farrell.728094344@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
>In <1993Jan26.141801.8736@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>>This is a difficult one!  Windsor to Verney Junction is Wilson's
>>Defence, which means that the previous move must have been on the
>>Piccadilly Line. 
>
>  Wrong! There is another move you're not thinking about! I have already
>played the move in another article, but let me just give you a hint: what
>would happen if there was a breakdown on the Piccadilly line?

Well I saw your move, and I agree that it could be used to license
Windsor (under the Kemptown convention).  I don't quite see how my
subsequent move of Verney Junction could be generated, though.
Would you care to expand?












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From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Need Glasgow Variation
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:07:41 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <C15Jr4.6rF@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>In article <C13t62.GJC@brunel.ac.uk> Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes:
>>
>>On a more serious note.
>>
>>West Campbell Street.
>>
>>
>Sorry Chris - surely you mean West NILE Street
>
>tsk tsk
>
>And then:
>
>Paisley Road West of course !!!!
>
>
Of course! Still its a long time since I read Urquhart's monumental
'Glasgow: Theory and Practice' and even then I never quite mastered 
all the subtleties of Volume 15 'Paisley West: Some Common Mistakes'.

OK. Lets try Glencairn Drive (Pollockshaws)


Chris
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:32:22 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <8266@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>
>The reply ``OK, we play you at the Reversed Version.  Heil Hitler!''

And Ken very cleverly sneaks a mention of Hitler into a.g.m.c, hoping
this will cause the entire group to self-destruct...

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Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Organization: James Cook University
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:29:47 GMT

In <1993Jan27.100557.28440@black.ox.ac.uk> uv94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Matt Millar) writes:
>In article <farrell.727935504@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
>>  I think this will confuse people. I've invented some notation which I think
>>embodies the true spirit of this game, and added my move.

>As my first move in this newsgroup, could I play this, added in the
>new notation......

  Not a bad move, but of course you were limited in your choices. As was I,
resulting in:

ecalP ronevsorG :	llerraF nhoJ
sucriC drofxO :	    ralliM ttaM
kraP mahneteewS :    llerraF nhoJ
yawdaorB htimsremmaH :       yrraB yuG
yawhcrA :     senoJ evilC
)tnemknabmE( ssorC gnirahC :       yrraB yuG
llaH ekalB :     senoJ evilC
etaG retsacnaL :  nosgdoH emearG
teertS gninwoD :    llerraF nhoJ
tnecserC notgninroM :       yrraB yuG

>Or does the Trilby variation prevent that, and if so how do we apply
>its strictures to Reverse Mornington Crescent?

  I assumed the Trilby variation didn't apply since if you use it in RMC,
moves like Hyde Park become quite paradoxical.


John
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Need Glasgow Variation
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <C17Awu.6Fy@brunel.ac.uk> Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes:
>>
>>
>Of course! Still its a long time since I read Urquhart's monumental
>'Glasgow: Theory and Practice' and even then I never quite mastered 
>all the subtleties of Volume 15 'Paisley West: Some Common Mistakes'.

Sigh.. it's onwe of the hazards of the net, so many opportunities
to embarrass oneself in public :-(
>
>OK. Lets try Glencairn Drive (Pollockshaws)
>


Oooer!  - the South Side is it???	

Um.. Barrhead Road?

( might as well visit my Ma on the way)

M

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From: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Reply-To: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:15:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.042048.24894@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.113055.7004@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:

>>The most interesting thing to do is to start off playing minimal
>>and then proceed to maximal, so you get two games for the
>>price of one.  Does everyone agree to this?
>
>I do, for one. Nobody outside Cambridge seems to feel at all
>comfortable with this variant yet, however. )-8

No -- indeed some people still seem to be interpreting it as a forward
game.  Maybe it would help if we wrote the moves from bottom to top:

>Clive Jones	: Archway
>Guy Barry	: Charing Cross (Embankment)
>Clive Jones	: Blake Hall
>Graeme Hodgson	: Lancaster Gate 
>John Farrell	: Downing Street 
>Guy Barry	: Mornington Crescent 

Now I'll add my move:

Guy Barry	: Hammersmith Broadway
Clive Jones	: Archway
Guy Barry	: Charing Cross (Embankment)
Clive Jones	: Blake Hall
Graeme Hodgson	: Lancaster Gate 
John Farrell	: Downing Street 
Guy Barry	: Mornington Crescent 

Do people get the idea now?
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Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: graeme@fulcrum.co.uk (Graeme Hodgson)
Subject: Lost
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:07:14 GMT

Lost my footing near Great Portland Street, fell on the track and
stepped on the third rail (lucky I was wearing my wellies :^).

Now wandering the line somewhere between Paddington and Great Portland
Street, pick me up if you see me.

Cheers,

Graeme.


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From: gramsden@axion.bt.co.uk (Graham Ramsden)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:45:41 GMT
Reply-To: gramsden@axion.bt.co.uk (Graham Ramsden)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1993Jan24.213403.6255@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
|> 
|>       <stuff deleted>
|> 
|> Careful here! By the 1977 degeneracy rules, any player who renders a
|> reverse game degenerate loses. This is hard to interpret in a
|> multi-player game, of course - the intent was that the other player

Are you suggesting that it would be easier to interpret in a single player game?
Playing with yourself may be regarded as normal practice even if it does get messy at the end but playing with yourself backwards is sure to invoke the degeneracy rules....

|>
|> 
|> 
|>		 <more stuff deleted>	
|> 
|> 
|> --Clive.
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: New year, new game
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:13:23 GMT
Followup-To: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


In article <farrell.727486391@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John
Farrell) writes:


#  John Farrell:	Downing Street

You're a complete idiot, John.

Ken Johnson:   *** MORNINGTON CRESCENT ***

Heh! Stevenage Doubling applies so you have to buy the beer.








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Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:30:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.233622.7379@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.143214.22517@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>Aha!  So you all guessed what I was planning -- a game of Reverse Mornington
>>Crescent.  In case anyone hasn't come across this, it's the version where
>>you start with the last move and trace your way back to the first.
>
>Yes - reverse Mornington Crescent exists. *Please* bear in mind,
>however, that Mornington Crescent is often a valid opening in the
>normal game, though it is seldom a winning move. 

Your definition of "normal" must be rather different from mine!

>>Guy Barry	: Mornington Crescent (the last move)
>>John Farrell	: Downing Street (the penultimate move)
>>Graeme Hodgson  : Lancaster Gate (the antepenultimate move)
>
>What reverse variant are you playing? Minimal start condition, or
>maximal? (i.e. do you win by playing a move that could be a valid
>start of a game, or a move that could be nothing but a valid start?)

The most interesting thing to do is to start off playing minimal
and then proceed to maximal, so you get two games for the
price of one.  Does everyone agree to this?

>Never mind - it won't matter for at least another (a previous?) four
>moves. One thing to bear in mind, of course, is that, because I can
>argue (as Lilly did in 1966) that the previous move could have
>happened any time previous to the current one in the forward game,
>Tardis rules (common subset) automatically apply. Thus,
>
> Clive Jones    : Blake Hall

Oh, very clever.  In that case, can I have

Guy Barry: Charing Cross (Embankment)

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From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Need Glasgow Variation
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:09:19 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <C19HGz.HxD@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>In article <C17Awu.6Fy@brunel.ac.uk> Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>Of course! Still its a long time since I read Urquhart's monumental
>>'Glasgow: Theory and Practice' and even then I never quite mastered 
>>all the subtleties of Volume 15 'Paisley West: Some Common Mistakes'.
>
>Sigh.. it's onwe of the hazards of the net, so many opportunities
>to embarrass oneself in public :-(

How true. How very, very true. Sigh

>>
>>OK. Lets try Glencairn Drive (Pollockshaws)
>>
>
>
>Oooer!  - the South Side is it???	
>
>Um.. Barrhead Road?
>
>( might as well visit my Ma on the way)
>

Oh well, might as well let you finish me off swiftly.

Alexandra Parade

BTW Is it true that the Edinburgh variation is know as Morningside
Cresent :-)


CHR$
From: uv94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Matt Millar)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:05:57 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: uv94002@black

In article <farrell.727935504@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:

>>No -- indeed some people still seem to be interpreting it as a forward
>>game.  Maybe it would help if we wrote the moves from bottom to top:
>
>  I think this will confuse people. I've invented some notation which I think
>embodies the true spirit of this game, and added my move.
>

I have been watching this game for a while and agree, it all seems so 
much clearer now.

As my first move in this newsgroup, could I play this, added in the
new notation......

sucriC drofxO :	    ralliM ttaM
kraP mahneteewS :    llerraF nhoJ
yawdaorB htimsremmaH :       yrraB yuG
yawhcrA :     senoJ evilC
)tnemknabmE( ssorC gnirahC :       yrraB yuG
llaH ekalB :     senoJ evilC
etaG retsacnaL :  nosgdoH emearG
teertS gninwoD :    llerraF nhoJ
tnecserC notgninroM :       yrraB yuG

Or does the Trilby variation prevent that, and if so how do we apply
its strictures to Reverse Mornington Crescent?

/\/\att Millar

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From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:22:39 GMT
Organization: James Cook University

In <1993Jan26.132907.6511@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

John Farrell	: Ellis Park Road

Clive Jones	: Windsor
Guy Barry	: Verney Junction
Clive Jones	: Great Portland Street
Guy Barry	: Hammersmith Broadway
Clive Jones	: Archway
Guy Barry	: Charing Cross (Embankment)
Clive Jones	: Blake Hall
Graeme Hodgson	: Lancaster Gate 
John Farrell	: Downing Street 
Guy Barry	: Mornington Crescent 

>Indeed. I must admit I'm only playing Windsor now to show off -
>Willesden Junction would be safer, but sooo much less fun, don't you
>think? (-8

  You might as well be adventurous as you like, since you can't possibly win
:-). I suppose the game must finish when no previous move exists, implying
that the last played turn must have been the first of the game.


John
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: Lost
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:26:48 GMT

In article <C1Exw3.4pq@fulcrum.co.uk> graeme@fulcrum.co.uk (Graeme Hodgson) writes:
>Lost my footing near Great Portland Street, fell on the track and
>stepped on the third rail (lucky I was wearing my wellies :^).
>
>Now wandering the line somewhere between Paddington and Great Portland
>Street, pick me up if you see me.
         ^^^^^^^^^^

What, luvvy, before Geoffery Archer does?


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Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: Lost
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:21:28 GMT

In article <farrell.728094487@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
>In <C1Exw3.4pq@fulcrum.co.uk> graeme@fulcrum.co.uk (Graeme Hodgson) writes:
>>Now wandering the line somewhere between Paddington and Great Portland
>>Street, pick me up if you see me.
>
>  OK, then:
>
>John Farrell:	London Bridge (in a cab, with Graeme Hodgson)

Graeme isn't that sort of lad. He just phrased it badly. On the other
hand he could have been directing his comment towards the fairer sex.

At least he didn't say "Picadilly, pick me up if you see me".


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Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:36:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.143214.22517@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>Aha!  So you all guessed what I was planning -- a game of Reverse Mornington
>Crescent.  In case anyone hasn't come across this, it's the version where
>you start with the last move and trace your way back to the first.

Yes - reverse Mornington Crescent exists. *Please* bear in mind,
however, that Mornington Crescent is often a valid opening in the
normal game, though it is seldom a winning move. (Carver v. Williams in
the 1978 finals of the Swindon Occasionals internal championship is
the only authoritative example of someone playing Mornington Crescent
three times consecutively and winning three games as a result. The
circumstances are rare, and relied on house rules. Experts are divided
as to whether the feat can be repeated under IMCC rules.)

>So we have:
>
>Guy Barry	: Mornington Crescent (the last move)
>John Farrell	: Downing Street (the penultimate move)
>Graeme Hodgson  : Lancaster Gate (the antepenultimate move)

Ah. Either this is a reverse game, or it is a forward game, with
Downing Street disallowed. I think we'll have to accept it as a
reverse game.

What reverse variant are you playing? Minimal start condition, or
maximal? (i.e. do you win by playing a move that could be a valid
start of a game, or a move that could be nothing but a valid start?)

Never mind - it won't matter for at least another (a previous?) four
moves. One thing to bear in mind, of course, is that, because I can
argue (as Lilly did in 1966) that the previous move could have
happened any time previous to the current one in the forward game,
Tardis rules (common subset) automatically apply. Thus,

 Clive Jones    : Blake Hall

He he,

--Clive.
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
Subject: Re: Need Glasgow Variation
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:20:35 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <C1F0rL.H5s@brunel.ac.uk> Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes:
>Oh well, might as well let you finish me off swiftly.
>
>Alexandra Parade

Gasp - I've no answer to that one!

>
>BTW Is it true that the Edinburgh variation is know as Morningside
>Cresent :-)

Morningside Mansions :-)

M

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Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: Reverse Mornington Crescent
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:29:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.112909.8064@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>It looks as though it's turning into a two-player game, Clive!
>Maybe this is just too advanced for most of the net population...

Surely not! It's quite simple, really

 Clive Jones	: Windsor
>Guy Barry	: Verney Junction
>Clive Jones	: Great Portland Street
>Guy Barry	: Hammersmith Broadway
>Clive Jones	: Archway
>Guy Barry	: Charing Cross (Embankment)
>Clive Jones	: Blake Hall
>Graeme Hodgson	: Lancaster Gate 
>John Farrell	: Downing Street 
>Guy Barry	: Mornington Crescent 
>
>(In case you don't recognize the station, it's on the long-disused
>Buckinghamshire section of the Metropolitan Line.)

Indeed. I must admit I'm only playing Windsor now to show off -
Willesden Junction would be safer, but sooo much less fun, don't you
think? (-8

--Clive.
Newsgroups: alt.games.mornington.cresent
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: New year, new game
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:53:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.183034.26137@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <8237@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>>
>>In article <farrell.727486391@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John
>>Farrell) writes:
>>
>>
>>#  John Farrell:	Downing Street
>>
>>You're a complete idiot, John.
>>
>>Ken Johnson:   *** MORNINGTON CRESCENT ***
>>
>>Heh! Stevenage Doubling applies so you have to buy the beer.
>
>Well done there Ken, playing the game forwards.  Unfortunately the
>rest of us are playing it backwards...
>
Some folks just aren't awake, are they? And such a respected (!)
player, too.

Anyway, here goes:

Richard Taylor:		Westminster (slow, but sure)



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