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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Accounting Info
From: rewise@musctn.monsanto.com (Richard Wiseman - VAX/VMS CraftsPerson)
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:02:29 GMT
Distribution: world
Nntp-Posting-User: ferro

In article <1992Aug12.084526.147@indyvax.iupui.edu>, imhw400@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.015715.193@rlgsc.com>, gezelter@rlgsc.com writes:
> [...]
>> There are three possibilities:
>>  
>> 1) TASK Object Removed/Deleted/Full Disabled
>> 2) TASK Object only allowed to valid users
>> 3) TASK Object allowed to anonymous logins (default access)
>>  
>> Of the three above cases, the real security hole is systems which 
>> allow (3), namely, any Tom, Dick, or Harry to execute programs 
>> using the TASK object. 
>>  
>> The use of (2) above, namely, that authorized system users may 
>> make use of the task object is not generally a security hazard 
>> (if it is, then you would also have to prevent your users from 
>> running programs from their accounts, not normally a desireable 
>> goal on many systems)
> 
> Golly, I'm glad to find that somebody else has noticed this.  It seems like
> whenever someone asks how to secure DECnet, every answer begins with "disable
> the TASK object".  As Mr. Gezelter goes on to point out, this is fine in some
> situations and needlessly restrictive in others.  You wouldn't want to do it on
> a system used for developing network applications, for instance.
> -- 
> Mark H. Wood, Lead Analyst/Programmer    +1 317 274 0749   [@disclaimer@]
> Internet:  IMHW400@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU     BITNET:  IMHW400@INDYVAX
> Celebrate freedom:  read a banned newsgroup.
	Turning of the task object would defintly break some of the
standard DEC software that we are currently running.
Having the task object enabled is a requirement for running it..

					...rew-- 

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From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Searching For Control Characters In EVE...
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Does anybody out there know how to search for control characters in EVE ?  I
> know how to do it in EDT, but I really want to be able to do it in EVE as well.

To search for one particular control-character:

Press DO and enter:

  TPU EVE_FIND(ASCII(n))

where n is the ASCII-code you want to search for.

To search for all control characters:

Press DO and enter:

  WILDCARD \^

Hope it helps !

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: uucm000@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: DCL question again
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:42:37 GMT

Here is another DCL question from me. (obvioustly I'm working in a small
DCL project) Is there a way to find whether a file is locked or not on
the DCL level.
 
Tingli Pan                           Bitnet:   uucm000@ecnuxa.bitnet
Academic Computing Services          Internet: uucm000@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Northeastern Illinois University  
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: WHO.COM (UIC/username translation) addendum
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:22:29 GMT
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division



Rich Travsky at  uwyo.edu reminded me that when I posted my "WHO.COM" file for
username/uic translation, I forgot to include a companion file which adds the
users login directory to the " $ WHO username" response. That file is UAF.COM,
which is appended below.

Thanks Rich

--------------------------cut here-----------------------------------------
$! UAF.COM
$!
$ if f$trnlnm("sysuaf") .eqs. "" 
$ then
$ define sysuaf SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT !<- sysuaf.dat must be world read
$ endif
$ ws :== write sys$output
$! proper invocation is @WHOWHERE 'username'
$!
$	open /read /share /error=CANTOPEN uafchan sysuaf:
$	read /key="''p1'" /error=NOSUCHUSER uafchan uafrec
$ UAF$T_DEFDEV	= 116
$ UAF$T_DEFDIR	= 148
$ the_disk = f$extract(uaf$t_defdev+1,f$cvui(uaf$t_defdev*8,8,uafrec),uafrec)
$ the_dir = f$extract(uaf$t_defdir+1,f$cvui(uaf$t_defdir*8,8,uafrec),uafrec)
$ the_path = the_disk + the_dir
$	ws "login directory for user ''p1' is ''the_path'"
$	goto LEAVE
$!
$ NOSUCHUSER:
$	ws "no such user as ''p1'"
$	goto LEAVE
$!
$ CANTOPEN:
$	stat = f$message($status)
$	ws "%WHOWHERE-E-NOCANDO, unable to read from User Authorization File"
$	ws "-''stat'"
$	exit 1
$!
$ LEAVE:
$	close uafchan
$	exit 1

---------------------------------END---------------------------------------


   John Rice        K9IJ     |  "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was
                             |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially
                             |   Not my Employer's....
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   Purveyor of Miracles,Magic and Sleight-of-hand
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sources.wanted
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: HELP:Compress on VAX,Decompress on PC
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.080302.249@winkle.bhpese.oz.au> smp_abbott@winkle.bhpese.oz.au writes:
>I have a need to compress text files on VAX-VMS and decompress on a PC.
>Can anyone point me to some source that will compile on VMS and a PC to do
>this.

There is some information in the Frequently Asked Questions on this
(the latter at least) 
112730 Jun 13 12:23 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaq29.zip

Alternatively see
garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX.ZIP
garbo.uwasa.fi:/vms directories

No guarantees on the vms because I only maintain the PC side.

"If you do not know how to go about getting this material, users are
welcome to email me for the prerecorded garbo.uwasa.fi instructions
(long, circa 29Kb).  North American users are referred to the garbo
mirror on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  Australian users are referred to the
archie.au mirror.  The mirrors may lag occasionally, or might not
have all the files.  If you do not receive my reply within five
days, please ask your own site's system manager to construct a
returnable mail path for you". 

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Vaxes, 11s and ALPHAs
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.132108.12473@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, whd0675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

...

> Also, I believe that you will see new VAX processors still coming out even after
> the Alpha computer systems start shipping.  Just look at the PDP-11 computer
> line.  They are still making the darn things.  Every once in a while you see
> a new faster PDP-11 processor being released.  I believe the release of new
> VAX processors may decline over time, but I doubt they will stop.  There are
> probably too many products that really require a real VAX.  Anyone using ELN
> on an embedded VAX processor will probably require a real VAX processor for
> instance.
> 

I will repeat what I said 10 years ago ( Decus 1982 ). In the year 2000 Vaxes
will be a memory, and a 11 will still be alive and well. 

The cost of the software is the killer for the vax. The ELN people will be
kicking for ALPHA/Eln real soon now. A lot of the code will port very easily.
The system-wide ids in eln are 128 bits wide btw.

The last 11 processor was the J-11 in 1983. There is a lot of noise about a
different board/box ever so often.

~Paul

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: XMAC104@EMAIL.MOT.COM (Randy McGee)
Subject: Re: Undocumented DCL feature
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:53:48 GMT

In article <9208111504.AA19577@uu3.psi.com>, leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter) writes:
> 
> 	                            The only (neat) way I could find relies on
> 	an undocumented feature of F$LENGTH - for a REAL integer (pun) it
> 	always returns the number of digits in the integer. eg.
> 
> 		F$LENGTH(100)	returns 3
> 
> 	but, peversely enough...
> 
> 		F$LENGTH(100+" ") also returns 3
..
> 	wierd, huh?

This is caused by a somewhat misunderstood feature in DCL. The "+" operator has
two functions: addition of integers and concatenation of strings. If the "+"
operator is given mixed arguments, then the string argument is assumed to be a
boolean and is converted to integer using the DCL boolean interpretation: any
string beginning with a "Y", "y", "T", or "t" is interpreted as true, all others
are interpreted as false. The integer boolean for true is 1 and 0 for false.
Therefore, F$LENGTH(100+" ") ==> F$LENGTH(100+0) ==> F$LENGTH(100) ==> 3

This also means that you can force a string to an integer for F$FAO arguments
by simply adding zero to it:

   $ A = "100"
   $ SHOW SYMBOL A
     A = "100"
   $ B = F$FAO( "!UL", A )
   $ SHOW SYMBOL B
     B = "214740414"
   $ B = F$FAO( "!UL", A + 0 )
   $ SHOW SYMBOL B
     B = "100"

MAGOO
From: SRDANIELS@RCKHRST2.BITNET ("Scott R. Daniels")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Searching For Control Characters In EVE...
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:43:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: RCKHRST2.01GNRJ6I97O2000VH7
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Does anybody out there know how to search for control characters in EVE ?  I
know how to do it in EDT, but I really want to be able to do it in EVE as well.

Thanks in advance...

Scott R. Daniels
SRDANIELS@RCKHRST2
From: richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RF35 problems
Summary: RF35 problems
Keywords: inferior
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:21:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

Anyone that has attempted to order an RF35 recently knows there is a
120 day lead time for this disk drive.  My salesperson attempted to 
explain this by saying Digital was "integrating new technology into the
drive", but the reality is the RF35 has serious reliability problems.
I know sites that are experiencing RF35 nightmares right now.

If you're ordering a disk, I strongly advise you consider a disk other
than the RF35 or RF352.
-- 
richard@npri6.npri.com  <Richard Head>
I've fallen and I can't reach my beer!
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gs50@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gong Su)
Subject: Help! Boot node problem.
Reply-To: gs50@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gong Su)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:30:57 GMT

Is there any way to check from DCL wether a machine in a cluster is
set up as a boot node?
We have a two-node VAXcluster with one machine being boot node (ROCK08)
and the other being satellite (ROCK09). After a failure in the network,
ROCK09 can't boot from ROCK08. I tried to delete ROCK09 from the cluster
and then re-add it. Cluster_config told me that ROCK08 is not set up as
a boot node (I think that's just the reason why ROCK09 can't boot from
ROCK08 even all other params are set correctly.) Ok, I thought the
network might also do something bad to ROCK08, reboot ROCK08. Still,
cluster_config told me ROCK08 is not set up as a boot node. Now I'm
realy confused. The last reboot of ROCK08 was on Aug. 16 with "@autogen
savparams reboot feedback". The MODPARAMS.DAT of ROCK08 contains all
those params generated by cluster_config including BOOTNODE="YES". Can
somebody explain this? Thanks very much.


Gong Su
Columbia University
gs50@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
(212)854-2303
From: joe@igor.tamri.com (Joe Carlson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Elvis15 on vms 4.7 \n Elvis15 on vms 4.7
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:44:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Has anyone tired out Elvis15 from the DECUS distribution?  I built
a version under vms 4.7 (C compiler version ??.??) and noticed
an annoying habit of having lines repeated on the screen.
an annoying habit of having lines repeated on the screen.
and worse, in the files.  Only occasionally and not reproducibly.
I recompiled /noopt and it might have disappeared.  

Am I alone in my paranoia or is this a known bug?
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Archie client from VMS
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:51:35 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Aug20.154732.609@skitzo.dseg.ti.com>, dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman) writes:
> Has anyone written an archie client for VMS?

Yup.  It's on ftp.cs.widener.edu in pub/archie.  I use it happily with
MultiNet.

> Eric Dittman                  Texas Instruments - Component Test Facility
> dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    (214) 578-3575
-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:13667 comp.sources.wanted:3962
From: amn@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Anthony Naggs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: Re: HELP: Compress on VAX,Decompress on PC
Keywords: compression, PC, VAX-VMS, ZIP
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:56:00 GMT
Organization: Brighton Polytechnic, England
Cc: smp_abbott@winkle.bhpese.oz.au

In article <1992Aug14.080302.249@winkle.bhpese.oz.au> smp_abbott@winkle.bhpese.o
z.au writes:
>I have a need to compress text files on VAX-VMS and decompress on a PC.
>Can anyone point me to some source that will compile on VMS and a PC to do
>this.

Try getting the following files from those good guys at garbo, I'm sure the
INFO-ZIP source caters for compiling on VMS - though I've lost a hard drive on
my PC and can't double check.
INFO-ZIP:
 10183 Mar 20 15:28 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/unz42doc.zip
249039 Apr  9 14:26 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/unzip42.tar.Z
212105 Mar 20 14:37 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/unzip42.zip
186591 Oct  3  1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/zip10ex.tar.Z
158605 Oct  3  1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/zip10ex.zip

Get the zip file to your PC to extract the source, or use Unix compatible utils
on the .tar.Z files.

For the PC end either compile again or use the PK Ware version.

PKZIP 1.1 (for PC, later versions are non-released betas):
140116 Mar 28  1990 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/arcers/pkz110eu.exe

Regards,
-- 
Anthony Naggs                    |  MAN I say what it occurs to me to say when
Janet:    amn@uk.ac.brighton.vms |      I think I hear people say things.
    or    xa329@uk.ac.city       |      More I cannot say.
Internet: amn@vms.brighton.ac.uk |
       or xa329@city.ac.uk)      |  (from The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy)
From: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: new mail FOLDER
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:52:55 GMT
Reply-To: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Carderock

hi,

i've inherited system management of a vax and i have a minor problem.
my SYSTEM account tells me that i have mail, but when i do a directory
in mail, mail responds that the mail FOLDER is missing.

how do i create a new mail FOLDER within mail??

please reply directly to:

lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil

thanks in advance,

:wq
lito lucena
lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil
 now at  :  dtmb, cdhq, nwsc          'if the defaults weren't good enough,
 formerly: dtrc, carderock                  they wouldn't be defaults.....'
							bill's sister
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: Clustered Global Section
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:35:05 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	I'm just about to cluster a couple of VAXs.  On one VAX an application
	uses global sections to communicate between processes.  After
	clustering we want this application to be available across the
	cluster.

	Is there a problem?

	Yes, I know that you can't share memory across a cluster, but since
	global sections are mapped to files (but are all sections mapped to
	files?), and assuming that the files are available clusterwide then
	will it work?

Well, it'll WORK, but it won't do what you seem to think!

	I guess it would be somewhat (or a lot) slower since it'd be disk I/O
	rather than memory access.

When you share a global section among processes on a single CPU, they are
accessing the same memory locations.  A change made by one process is visible
to all the other processes within a few cycles.  (In theory, at the end of
the writing instruction, but in fact only after a synchronization point is
reached is this guaranteed.  For a VAX, synchronization points include all
the interlocked instructions, and a couple of other things that don't matter
for non-privileged code.)

If you have a global section open on the same file in multiple members of a
cluster, each member of the cluster is accessing local memory.  If one makes
a change to its own local memory, that change will not be visible until the
processor making the change pages that page out, and the process looking for
the change pages it in.  VMS will NOT force this to happen in any way that
would be useful for this kind of programming.  (It's possible to force half
of it to happen yourself by doing a $UPDSEC on the writing processor, which
will write the new data to disk.  There's no simple way to force the page to
be read back in from the disk.  Performance would be terrible in any case.)

For all practical purposes, global sections are limited to single nodes (with
multiple CPU's perhaps) in a cluster.

Sorry.
							-- Jerry
From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Ghostscript printer drivers
Date: 11 Aug 92 12:40:19 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Aug11.152922.27374@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Barry) writes:
> I just got GhostScript (PostScript interpreter).  The only output
> device it seems to support though is X11.  What we really need is
> a device driver for an HP LaserJet.  Anyone know if one has been
> written?
> 
The sources include support for LaserJets, as well as a number of
other printers.  You have to define (uncomment) some symbol in one of
the header files to specify which output devices are supposed to be
supported.

Sorry I can't be more specific---I've done it, but it's been a long
while....

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: HP laserjet-3 problems
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:14:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The From line for this message was the following bit of beauty:

From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!dtix!oasys!shorrow@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Paul Shorrow)

The sender provided no mailing address; I rather doubt my attempt to REPLY
to the above address will go through.  Oh, well.

	   help 
	we have a HP laserjet-3 printer hooked up to our Micro-vax running
	VMS4.7....we are connected through terminal port txa6.....  we are
	having problems getting the laserjet to print in the 132 column mode.

"Problems".  Would you like to be more specific, or is that secret informa-
tion?  How is anyone supposed to guess what the "problems" are?

	Has any one else been able to print 132 columns....

Sure; works fine here.  You must have a "problem" with the way you are using
your printer.  :-)

	the following was extracted form our systartup.com file and shows how
	we have set up the hp laserjet printer:

	$!  set laser printer characteristics, set txa6: spooled
	$!     set up queue sys$print
	$
	$ set terminal txa6:/speed=9600/perm/nobroadcast/notypeahead/nowrap-
	  /width=132/page=66/unknown/parity=none/hardcopy/eightbit
	$ define/system laser txa6
	$ set device/spooled=(sys$laser ,sys$sysdevice:) laser
	$ set que/separate=(reset=port) sys$laser
	$ init/que-
	      /start -
	      /on=laser -
	      /library=lsr$devctl -
	      /separate=(reset=(port),noflag,notrailer)  sys$laser
	$ define/form-
	        /description="hp laserjet portrait default" -
	        /setup=PORT -
	        /width=132 -
	        /length=66 -
	        /margin=(top=0,bottom=0,left=0,right=0) -
	        lsr$port              2

	  the following line is in our login.com to allow users to send a
	  file to the hp laserjet:

	$ laser == "print/que=sys$laser/form=2"

Without knowing what LSR$DEVCTL contains, it's impossible to know what is
going on.  However, it's easy to guess:  Your PORT setup module, as shown
by your description, sets up the printer for "HP Laserjet Portrait Default"
mode.  This leaves about enough room on a 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper to print
80 columns.  Sending more won't by some miracle change reality - you can't
stuff 132 pounds of, ahem, characters in an 80 pound bag.

To print 132 columns, you need to use either landscape mode (with the default
landscape font, that will give you about 45 lines of 132 characters each),
a very compressed font (the default compressed font will give you about 80
lines of 120 characters; you'd need something even smaller, which would be
fairly difficult to read), both (the standard compressed landscape font will
give you about 64 lines of 176 columns), or larger paper.

I've posted a device control library and associated startup files several
times, as have others; I posted a copy a couple of weeks ago, and I'd rather
not do it again.  You may very well already have the right modules in your
LSR$DEVCTL file.
							-- Jerry
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: SET TRANSPORT command in VMS MAIL
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:34:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter) writes:
> 	MAIL> SEND
> 	To:     "sday@lacerta"
> 
> apparently doesn't work.)

The reason for this is that a bare quoted token is taken as a comment in
VMS mail, rather like the () comments in RFC822.  For example,

	MAIL> SEND
	To:	JANE "Hi there"

works fine, and the "Hi there" actually appears on the To: line of the
JANE's received email. 

Unfortunately, this parsing is done before the SET TRANSPORT string is 
prepended, so the comment is stripped off the recipient address before 
the thing is converted to a parseable address.

Note that if you use PMDF (not sure about MX, and DECUS UUCP doesn't), you
can specify addresses as lacerta::sday, and they'll be rewritten to 
sday@lacerta, the only real snag being that the thing will be converted to
uppercase which may confuse some un*x mailers which expect case sensitive
userids.

> SET TRANSPORT doesn't change the way MAIL parses recipient names.  To do that,
> you have to patch mail.  A patch to do this has been distributed on INFO-VAX
> before - as I recall, Harvey Brydon wrote it.  I use it, which is why I can
> only say that the example just above "apparently" doesn't work - I have no
> easy way to test it with my patched mail code!

Does anyone have the patch, or a pointer to it?  I missed it when it came 
out before for some reason.

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
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