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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: various questions
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Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:08:21 GMT

BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E (buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: Thanx, Udo, I will ftp screen. But where is the doc for virtual console;
: I have not found it in the lexicon. 

My printed manual also doesn't have an entry for virtual console, but there
is an online manual. Type <man "virtual console"> to read it.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Coherent - the ultimate BBS in itself?
Keywords: BBS
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:51:22 GMT


I've read the posts regarding BBS software for Coherent with great
interest since I would like to set up one also.  It struck me,
however, that most posts seemed to suggest a DOS BBS model ported to
unix platform, which to me would be a step back.  After thinking about
it for a sec I realized that unix offers a superior model for BBS just
in itself, simply by implementing tools that are already there.  With
some functions written for ksh all of the average good BBS functions
could be duplicated having an advantage of being invokable from
anywhere (command line) without having to cruise through maddening
menus.  With one man page written to explain the commands and
permissions properly set Coherent can be an ultimate BBS without any
custom software running on top of it.

I will be putting a new machine together for it soon (a couple of
previous cheap clones I had developed funny problems and I finally
decided to do the job right by picking each component personally).
When it's done I will post the phone number in this group and request
comments from those who care to log in and play with it (I want to
start with 5-6 lines). 

If anyone has any ideas on how to make it even better before it is put
together (small and simple is beautiful) using simple ksh scripts/functions
and/or simple and short C programs running from the command line (I
insist on that interface as the fastest and best human interface ever
developed), please email me or post. 

Thanks,

t.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: various questions
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:29:37 GMT

Greg Law (GREGL@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
: Udo Munk asks about a portable version of Lint...
: 
: The only version of I'm aware of is available from Gimple Software.
Thanks for the info. I'll ask them about a version for COHERENT and
post a summary, if there is any interest.
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From: vax@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vax)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Revivifying Coherent (was Re: Are we dead??)
Summary: My thoughts on Coh 4.x
Keywords: project C programming bbs coherent 386bsd
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:06:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I'm sorry to say that, with the purchase of my new hard drive (still
crossing my fingers), I'm going to switch to 386bsd (or Linux if that
doesn't pan out).
As an amateur in the Unix world, with onnly a unzip410 port to show for
my Coherent learning tour, (and a trivial port at that), I've still got
alot to learn.  But I hope I can help on the BBS project.
I really like Coherent, but I'm afraid our philosophies didn't quite match.
I -thought- I wanted a small Unix system (120MB seemed like TONS for an OS)
but I realized I'd much rather have command-compatiblity with most other
Unixes.  That's a hairy statement, since the "standards" for commands seem
to be somewhat fuzzy, but I simply feel that another OS would be more
likely to compile on the first run due to the peculiarities of Coherent's
system call naming and command-line-argument parsing.  I just want to
"make foo" and have it run.  I'd rather spend my time writing new programs
than porting old ones.
I felt like I was replacing EVERY tool that came with Coherent, and the
size was creeping up to the 120MB barrier; so I figured why not get an OS
that already has this stuff (even if it is 200MB big!)
I guess I'm lucky I have the option of getting a big hard drive to hold
Ms-win, Ms-dos, and some Unix on it, but if I had to stay with a 120MB limit
on Unix, I'd rather have Coherent than anything else.
A word to the wise: 200MB is considered minimal for 386bsd.

My 2 cents to the coherent developer(s):
Don't underestimate the FREE programming man-hours you can get from your
followers!  Spend your time on the device driver kit, so we can work on
something!  You might even lower the price for us :-)

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: GCC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:11:34 GMT

Linus Torvalds (torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
[...]
: I have to agree with Rick that MWC would probably want to wait for
: coherent 4.1 before releasing gcc - that should fix the two first
: problems.  I don't know about the coherent cache: is it hardcoded,
: dynamic, memory size dependent, or what?

The cache is dynamic. I first run 4.0 with 2MB, then 5MB and now with 8MB.
On every memory upgrade I noticed, that the number of buffers for the
disk cache increased. Also performance of disk I/O is better now, because
of the large cache.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Does the new Coherent work on a 386sx?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:29:08 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons) writes:

> Does the new 32 bit COHERENT work on the 386sx or does it need a full
> 32 bit processor like 386dx? Are there any advantages in a 486? How 
> much simms memory is needed? I want to put a new motherbaord in my
> 286.

As far as software is concerned, as 386SX and a 386DX are identical chips,
Coherent 4.0 runs fine on an SX. How much memory you need really depends
on what you're using your system for. I've got 4MB on a 386SX and it's
adequate virtually all of the time for this typically 3 - user system, but
occasionally memory gets a little tight.

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kosina@techbook.com (Martin Kosina)
Subject: Micro-EMACS and Qume qvt101 terminal
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:30:38 GMT

I am using an older Qume QVT-101 terminal with Coherent 4.0. Everything
works fine with TERM set to "qvt102" except for the Micro-EMACS editor.
When I type "me" to start the editor, all text ends up garbled into the
top two lines, including the status line. I got the original Qume
termcap and terminfo entries for QVT-101, QVT-101+ and other terminals,
but they all exhibit the same problem. Does anyone have a clue how to
correct this ?

		       Thanks
			

top two lines, including the status line. I
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From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU ("", Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:32:01 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


	I would be willing to provide information about VGA graphics
systems.  I have references and write DOS (ick) software for the card.
This December, me and a friend are going to write a low-level software
lib for VGA because we want to write some VGA software.  I know there are
already libs out there but I'm trying to teach him about the graphics
system and having my own means no strings attached.  Since I'm writing
graphics stuff anyway, I don't mind.  I plan to tackle several things
over Christmas vacation anyway.  I don't know anything much about device
drivers for UNIX but I plan to get the driver kit when it comes out.



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From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MGR (was Re: Are we dead??)
Keywords: MGR
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:54:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov18.215447.22512
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

As to graphics standards to code to, I suggest we stick to those defined
in the VESA VBE 1.2 Standard.  That covers most of the older ones (640x480xn,
800x600xn, etc), and prevents a lot of wasted time on weird things nobody
uses any more except a few die-hards with antiques they don't want to dump
(like me, on one of my machines :-)  )  Windows/Dos Developers Journal did a
nice rundown on VBE in their October, 1992 issue, if you need a reference.
Cheers,
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com 
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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Revivifying Coherent (was Re: Are we dead??)
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:57:26 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:
> root@rwsys.uucp (Superuser) writes:
> > If there is interest, I will put the source code for this BBS
> > up for download and it can be a sort of foundation for a group 
> > effort. If you want me to do this, post here or email me.
> 
> I'm interested! Please send it to me, or tell me where I can download
> it.
> 
> BTW, mail addressed to you bounces.
> 
> 
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> 

	I'll e-mail it, but I'm gonna have to arrange to put it somewhere
because it is getting too big for mail.

	If anybody else has had mail to me bounce, please retry.
I see that my domain name got reset to uucp which  doesn't work with
auto-reply style software. I've been debuging device drivers, so I've
had to re-install a few times lately and I guess the old back-up that
I used had me at domain uucp.

	
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E)
Subject: Re: various questions
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:11:11 GMT

In article <9211153592@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E (buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>[...]
>: Virtual terminals. I read how to attach another keyboard to the serial port.
>: Is this the virtual terminal, or can that be initiated from the console?
>
>Virtual consoles are initiated from the console with ALT + F1, F2...
>Virtual terminals can be handled with the screen3.2 package, which
>is available from MWCBBS and raven.

Thanx, Udo, I will ftp screen. But where is the doc for virtual console;
I have not found it in the lexicon. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons)
Subject: Does the new Coherent work on a 386sx?
Originator: dfp10@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 16:40:24 GMT

Does the new 32 bit COHERENT work on the 386sx or does it need a full
32 bit processor like 386dx? Are there any advantages in a 486? How 
much simms memory is needed? I want to put a new motherbaord in my
286.
   Perhaps a more important question is what are the risks of 
installation problems if I upgrade? What will i gain over the 16 bit
COHERENT? Thanks, Don

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: MGR (was Re: Are we dead??)
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:43:11 GMT
Summary: MGR project
Keywords: MGR

In article <1992Nov18.160611.15626@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
>hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
>: 
>: Anybody have an idea for a programming project?  I think porting is best done
>: alone, unless it's a really big job; the communication overhead would not be 
>: worth it.  For a start-from-scratch project, however, it would be beneficial.
>: 
>
>Once the device driver kit comes out, I think porting the MGR window
>system would be an excellent idea.  This will require graphics drivers
>that implement the standard bitblt operations for various boards , as
>well as mouse drivers.  
>
>The actual port of the Bellcore window manager code is probably best
>done by a single person.  But, if a device driver interface is
>defined, the graphics drivers could be written separately.  Once the
>core package is ported the various client programs (there aren't too
>many) could also be ported separately.

This sounds like a great idea to me too.  Where can the source code for MGR be
found?  I have found the sources for MGR under linux everywhere and for minix
too, but I cannot find the general distribution.  I will start looking at the
linux MGR sources tonight.  If someone knows of a better set of sources, please
let me know.

I guess we will all need to write drivers for our different video cards unless
we want to stick with a set of standard modes.  What do people think about the
video modes we should use?  I for one would like 640x480x16 standard VGA.  This
is the first one I will try to write.

Once I have looked at the source (and you can too!) we should discuss how it
might be parcelled out if others want to help.  It looks big enough that a 
group effort would be beneficial (at least it should speed things up a little).
Anyone else want to take a crack at MGR?

A mouse driver for Microsoft Mouse is listed as one of the drivers already 
included in the device driver kit.  Thus we shouldn't need to write that unless
people have wierd mice. (Most mice are Microsoft Mouse compatible.)

I have not looked at the source for MGR yet, but since it has been ported to 
Minix386, I assume it doesn't need any sockets or TCP/IP?

Harry

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From: dfilip@colornet.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: MWCBBS modem #'s
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:40:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

Greetings,

I just installed a V32/V42 modem on my Coherent system. I seem to remember
hearing that MWCBBS has a V32 modem on one of their lines.

Does anyone call MWCBBS using V32 ?

Thanks,

Dave.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bkuhn@kg2100.loyola.edu (Bradley " b " Kuhn)
Subject: Terminal emulation
Organization: Loyola College in Maryland
Distribution: comp
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:45:40


Hi.  I am curious what people use to emulate terminals under coherent.  I need
to emulate a vt*** or a wyse** style terminal to connect to the systems that
I use.  I have tried using screen's vt100, but this didn't work very well.
Any suggestions/comments?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mtarrant@snuffy.wa.atk.com (Mike Tarrant)
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
Organization: Alliant TechSystems Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:14:50 GMT


<Some article pruning...>

In article <9211151638.29@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <9211150337.AA12188@PCS.CNU.EDU> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>>
>   
>>6) A simplification of administration.  File permissions are a real big
>>   problem for most users.  Perhaps a new file system that would be real
>>   simple, like DOS but with long filenames and extended attributes.  The
>>   kernel would still support a standard FS but if you don't need it...
>
>Right.  Turn UNIX into DOSIX.  Bleah!
>
>
>In the Linux and BSD groups, I've seen a lot of new users who want to turn
>UNIX into MSDOS.  I will fight to keep this from happening.  I have a decade
>of experience with UNIX, and think it is the best OS that I ever used.  I used
>to have a PC/XT running MSDOS, and have written diagnostics for dedicated
>applications running on MSDOS machines to exercise and test commodity hardware
>in a factory setting.  I am about as interested in using DOS as I would be in
>programming on punched cards.
>

  I agree.  Let UNIX and Coherent be what they are.  I bought Coherent
because I wanted to learn more about UNIX.  The less UNIX-like it is,
the less I'd be interested in it.
  Also, as a UNIX newbie, the last* thing I'd want to do is introduce
another variable by running an OS I have to patch/fix myself.  After I
learn to "drive", then I'll look under the "hood" (i.e. Linux).

                - Mike (Reply to: mtarrant@atk.com)
From: dfilip@colornet.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Com port troubles..very confusing..
Summary: Check the protections on your com port
Keywords: com uucico
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:39:01 GMT
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

>I'm getting very frustrated with my system. :-)  Suddenly, without
>any apparent reason, my uucico cannot dial out anymore.  I have
>cranked up the debug level and I can only get it to say "line problem".
>I remembered in the past that I got this error when all of the baud
>rates in the various config files didn't agree.  However, this should
>not be the case as I haven't changed anything and it worked yesterday!

Check the protections and ownership on the com port; the owner/group should
be bin and the protection should be 666 (crw-rw-rw-). If not :

	chmog 666 bin bin /dev/com??? (??? = whatever port you are using)

When I first got Coherent up and running I ran into this VERY annoying
problem, where everything works fine and then everything breaks. If you
manually enable the port the owner and group will change to root and the
protection will change to 700 (crwx------); future uucico attempts will
generate a "line problem" error.

Also, you will get this error if another process (virtual console ?) has
the line open (i.e., via kermit).

It would really be nice if the error was something like "protection error",
"device already in use", or "baud rate conflict" rather than just always
reporting "line problem".

Regards,

Dave.

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From: arne@mars.rmt.sub.org (Arne Marschall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,fido.unix,comp.os.unix
Distribution: world
Subject: termcap - vt220
Organization: home
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:17:29 +0100

Hi!

I am using a VT 220 Terminal currently with it's VT 100 emulation.
But now I want to be able to use the 8 bit character set.

If I put the terminal in VT 220 mode, then there are problems with the cursor
keys and micro emacs. Most of the other progamms work fine so I think it is 
just a timing problem.

If somebody out here, has a working VT 220 termcap entry, I would be very 
pleased if he/she would post it here or mail it to me.

I'm using Coherent 3.2.

Thanks in advance
Arne
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