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From: noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: HELP! What is "DeskTop folder", & "Trash Folder"?
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:26:40 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne


WHAT ARE "DESKTOP FOLDER" AND "TRASH FOLDER" ???

Hi.

I have a question about strange folders, "DeskTop Folder" and "Trash Folder".
I am using system 6.0.7 (with desktop Manager) and system 7.0.1 (with 
Tuner 1.1.1) in a same 230 HD (IIci).  Switching is done by system switcher.  

When I switch from system 7.0.1 to system 6.0.7, two folders (with plain folder
icon) appear in the HD window.  They are "DeskTop Folder" and "Trash Folder". 
What are these folders ?  Is it harmful or just a result of system management
difference between system 7.0.1 and system 6.0.7 ?

I found that trash folder was a real "trash can" in the system 7.0.1, because
when I switched from system 7 to system 6, there was a file which I put in
before switching (without selecting "Empty Trash" command). I guess that,in
system 7, trash is treated as a kind of folder, and it remains as a folder 
when I switch from system 7 to system 6.  Am I correct ?
But what is the "DeskTop folder" ?  There is nothing in it.  Nothing 
happened when I trash it in the "trash can" in system 6.

If you have any idea/suggestions about these annoying folders, please post 
it or mail it to me.

Thanks in advance.

Noriaki Onodera (noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU)
Photonics Research Laboratory
Dept. of E. & E. E.
University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria 3052
Australia
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:18:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <M9RRBSF4@cc.swarthmore.edu>, kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel
Kohn) wrote:

> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> 
> MS>I believe that in the IIci and later (which includes the IIfx, obviously),
> MS>it doesn't matter which bank gets the larger-capacity SIMMs.  You're right
> MS>in that all the SIMMs in a bank must be the same capacity.  I'm still
> MS>wondering how he got 12 megs into a IIfx, though. 
> 
> 	Mike, the two banks can have different kinds of SIMMs as long as
> the four SIMMs in each bank are the same.  For example, you can have 4 256K
> SIMMs in one bank and 4 16-meg SIMMs in another for a total of 65 megs.

This much I know--however, you can't have 256K SIMMs in a IIfx.

> 	Seaney would have 4 1-meg SIMMs in one bank and 4 2-meg SIMMs in
> another.

So far as I know, there aren't any 2-Meg SIMMs for a IIfx.  That's why I
can't figure out how he got 12 megs in it.

> __________________________________________________________________________
> Dan Kohn   	          "Don't get too close to       Swarthmore College
> kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu      firefighters who are        500 College Avenue
> AppleLink: ST0559	      always bandaged."       Swarthmore, PA 19081

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From: dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Damaged system
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:18:29 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

If you are doing a reinstallation where there is a damaged
resource, the installer may be recopying that damaged resource from
the previous system file. To prevent this "helpful" behavior you
need to make sure that the old system file is not being used in the
installation by either trashing it before starting the installer
(you will, of course, have to have started with a floppy disk to do
this) or by making sure that the system file and the finder file
are not in the same folder, move one or the other to a different
folder and rename the system folder "old sys" or something. That
way you will get a brand new system folder and you can then move
your extensions or whatever out of the old sys folder into the new
one (you probably won't be able or won't want to move fonts from
the old system file in this case, but sometimes it is handy to be
able to recover fonts and/or sounds from the old system file).
Whenever I do a system reinstallation I go through this procedure
just in case there is a damaged resource lurking in my system
file.
-- 
Dana E. Keil           Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics
dana@are.Berkeley.EDU                 University of California, Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tron R.)
Subject: Re: Unix on my Mac?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:12:00 GMT

marvin@netcom.com (Marvin Carlberg) writes:

>winney@DAL.MOBIL.COM (Randy Winney) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct8.213725.5020@pellns.alleg.edu>, smytonj@murr10.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:
>> |> 	I go to Allegheny College and we have an incrediblesetup of NeXT  
>> |> computers.  The problem is that I own a Mac IIcx and the only Mac the  
>> |> college has available for student use is a Classic with system 6.0.7 and  
>> |> MacWrite 5. The NeXT is a Unix machine and has a current version of Word  
>> |> Perfect.  I would like to be able to run Unix on my machine for some  
>> |> limited cross platform use.  I heard that A/UX is not compatible with  
>> |> System 7.  What should I use that won't require me to switch systems  
>> |> completely?  I have to admit I like my 7.0.1 and would be upset if I had  
>> |> to revert to system 6.x. Any suggestions?
>> |> 
>>  
A/UX 3.0 is system 7 compatible.

Tron
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: How is the bootable disk determined. (another FAQ)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:00:01 GMT

In article <winders-121092163139@macwinders.support.apple.com> winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:

>Both the Inside Macintosh V and the Macintosh Family Hardware Reference
>manuals  state that the internal SCSI device is checked before any other
>SCSI device, regardless of SCSI ID.  This is NOT True!  Unless the internal
>SCSI device is selected as the startup device via the Startup Device cdev
>it has no special priority during the startup process. 

I'm sure that this is yet another FAQ, but could someone tick off 
possible reasons why a bootable device that is duly selected with
the Startup Device cdev still won't boot?  

I had a Connor 200 as an internal boot disk that worked fine 
until last week when I removed a device from my SCSI chain.
For some reason it stopped booting and couldn't even be recognized
by various SCSI utils.  After swapping it for a hard disk in an
external case, I was able to mount it but I couldn't make it the 
boot disk -- not even if it was selected in the startup device 
cdev and the System Folder on the internal device was manually 
unblessed by removing the Finder (in this case, nothing happened).

The only unusual factor I'm aware of is that the Connor is 
supposed to be "auto-terminating".  (None of the utilities have
shown a problem with termination, though.)   Any comments welcome;
if I find out anything new or useful I'll summarize.
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
From: ujmli@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: extensions for Now Util 4.0 and Fileguard 2.7
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:18:36 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

I have a problem with using Now Utilities 4.0 and FileGuard 2.7.
In order to use FileGuard it has to load the FileGuard extension 
before anything else. The problem i'm having is that Now Utilities
has an extension called 'toolbox' which loads before FileGuard. 
Renaming the extension names doesnt do anything because 
somehow, Now Utilities made it so that it reads the 'toolbox' 
extension before anything else no matter what the extension 
names are.  I've been forced back to using Now Utilities 3.0 
because the order those extensions are loaded is alphabetically
by the name of the file.
 
Does anyone know how i can get the 'toolbox' extension to load
after the FileGuard extension? 
 
Jason

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Why is my virtual memory broken?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:53:20 GMT

ejbst4+@pitt.edu (Ethan J Benatan) writes:

>I recently had the hard drive on my PowerBook 170 replaced under
>warranty.  I did a full restore from backup except for the System,
>Finder, Extensions and Control Panels which I reinstalled from scratch
>or copied from the IIfx which has had no problems.  Everything seems
>to work just dandy except that the Memory Control Panel includes no 
>Virtual Memory option! 

   Well, I wouldn't suggest copying System software from other machines.
You may be better off installing the System by using the Install disks
or by keeping a recent copy of it on a floppy. 
   Try zapping your PRAM. If that doesn't work, re-install from the
Install disks.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8 wanted (problems with ftp.apple.com)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:31:13 GMT
Keywords: System 6.0.8

870120g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Michael I. Gerrits) writes:

>Anyway, I de-binhexed the file and tried to de-SIT! the file but it was
>way over 800K (compared to 700 and some that fits on an 800K floppy). Not
>only that, it was stored in some other wierd format (image) which is probably
>meant for a hard drive, or something.

The .image format files are used by the program DiskCopy, which is
available on ftp.apple.com. DiskCopy makes a byte-for-byte image of
the disk and saves it in a .image file, which later (as in your case)
can be used to create floppy disks; it even formats them as it goes.

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: cej@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Why someone would want to e-mail Apple versus calling them
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:43:21 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Oct9.210528.5799@hal.com>, ables@hal.com (King Ables) writes:
>> Why is it that so many people find it impossible to pick up a phone and
>> dial an 800 number?
>
> It's easier and often more effective:
>
>       1. You never get a busy signal or put on hold for 15 minutes.
>
>       2. You only have to tell your story once.
>
>       3. You can include examples of the problem.
>
>       4. It's easier for the customer support people to pass
>          the info around until the right person can respond.
>
>       5. You can send e-mail at 2:00am when you *have*
>          the problem.
>

6. (The most important reason for non-North Americans!)
   800 numbers don't work overseas!!! So if they don't give you a non-800
   number you have to snail-mail them (unless the e-mail addr is given).
   People may say that distributors/subsidiaries handle this problem but
   - Quite often there isn't one (or they are not known)
   - Quite often they are useless (just pass the request along)
--
Chris Jones                                  E-mail: cej@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
CSS/CD/ERL                                    Phone: +61 8 259 6758
DSTO Salisbury, South Australia                 Fax: +61 8 259 6328

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are purely personal and do NOT represent
            the official view of DSTO.

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 file in the shame file? Shame, sludge, sludge, shame, ...
 That's life, get nicked.."   Derrin Hunch, Fast Forward
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Joel_Siegel@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:35:45 PDT
Subject: Re: Question: What is System 7 equivalent of Finder LAYO resource?

BTW, what is System 7's *most* annoying feature? ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek)
Subject: Re: Finder Prefs Not Saving!!!!!
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.144022.4946@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:
>dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek) writes:
>
>>I have a theory that you were "rebooting" with Control-Clover-Power.
>>This is a no-no.  Since the IIsi uses a cache, you can lose your most
>>recent changes this way.
>
>    There is no indication that he was using the "programmer switch" on
>the IIsi to reboot. I think you may be jumping the gun a little here.
>Restart and reboot are synonyms.

Jumping the gun?  No, I was just offering a possible explanation,
which is what he'd asked for.  I wasn't flaming or anything.  I just
happen to know that rebooting via three-finger salute can cause this
particular problem (don't ask me why I know....)  Given the symptoms,
I did have some reason for suspecting this possibility.

Anyway, I got e-mail from him, and he said this wasn't the problem.
Whatever the problem was, it went away.

  --dave

-- 

It isn't pollution that's harming the environment.  It's the
impurities in our air and water that are doing it.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:25:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <aumantb-131092120404@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov>,
aumantb@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov (Tim Aumann) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct11.153551.16725@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, seaney@engr.wisc.edu
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > We have a IIfx with systems 7.0.1 and 12 Meg of memory.  The Finder indicates
> > that there is 12 Meg of memory installed, but it tells us that the 'largest
> > unused block' is 4meg less then what it should be.  Is there some trick to get
> > ti to recognize the last 4 Meg.
> > 
> Another possibility, besides not having 32 bit mode turned on, is that you
> put the larger simms in the wrong memory bank. The IIfx has two memory
> banks - when you add simms greater than 1 meg, the new simms must go in
> bank A, the one closest to the front of the computer. The 1 meg simms
> should be in bank B. Also, all of the simms in a bank must be the same size
> - all 1 meg or 4 meg, etc.

I believe that in the IIci and later (which includes the IIfx, obviously),
it doesn't matter which bank gets the larger-capacity SIMMs.  You're right
in that all the SIMMs in a bank must be the same capacity.  I'm still
wondering how he got 12 megs into a IIfx, though. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sdtrent@eos.ncsu.edu (SHANE DUDLY TRENT)
Subject: Re: Finder Prefs Not Saving!!!!!
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:59:11 GMT


It sounds like your Finder Preferences file got fouled up. Next time you
should just remove this file from the Preferences folder in the Sys folder
and restart. You will return to the Finder's default settings but now your
changes should be retained.

-shane trent
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How is the bootable disk determined.
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:09:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.013414.6954@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au>, quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au
(Quinn) wrote:
> 
> In article <winders-121092163139@macwinders.support.apple.com> Scott
> Winders, winders@aux.support.apple.com writes:
> >1. Floppy drive 0 (internal or right side of Macintosh II).
> >2. Floppy drive 1 (external or left side of Macintosh).
> 
> Nit pick!  Isn't the respective ordering of the above stored in
> PRAM somewhere?

Yes, but the default is floppy drive 0. Why do you say I am nit
picking? I was just trying to give you folks the correct order
for the selection of bootable devices.

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: David C. Roessli <roessli@sc2a.unige.ch>
Subject: Re: *Zapping PRAM causes startup problem under Sys7
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08:30:20 GMT
Organization: Dpt. Anthropology, U of Geneva, Switzerland
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.195759.8827@newssun.med.miami.edu> Vince Vann,
vvann@umbio.med.miami.edu writes:
>The cycle of [HD activity + Happy Mac] repeats exactly 3 times.  This 
>happens reliably EVERY time I reboot from my HD (on restart/shutdown, 

The same sequence of events occured when I zapped the PRAM of my IIx 
(w/PowerCache030 40MHz), with a heavy video 'jump' in between each of
the [HD activity + Happy Mac]. 
Any idea anybody ?
--
David C. Roessli  -  Dpt Anthropology & Ecology  -  U of Geneva  -  SWITZERLAND
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cs108069@pandora.sdsu.edu (John DeRose)
Subject: Re: MODE32 Won't Enable
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:02:57 GMT

Remember to subtract 1-MB for each empty NuBus slot...
From: jmho@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: modem port not configured for use by serial driver
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:10:13 GMT
Reply-To: Jeremy Olsen <jmho>
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh

I have a IIcx with 8Mb memory, a PowerCache 40MHz accelerator, Asante
Ethernet (NuBus) and usually running 6.0.5.

I want to use the modem port to manage a Farallon StarController.
When I run the StarCommand DA I get the message "The modem port is not
configured for use by the serial driver"

If I boot the system from a generic system floppy and then run the
MAXA Snooper program with a loopback plug in the modem port it reports
"WARNING, unable to open serial port!  There is probably something
else using it (AppleTalk, modem software, etc)".  Given that this is a
generic system file I don't believe there is.  

Any suggestions?

--
Jeremy Olsen		J.Olsen@ed.ac.uk	      | Tel:+44 (0)31-650 4443
Human Communication Research Centre		      | Fax:+44 (0)31-650 4587
University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh EH8 9LW Scotland
From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Disinfectant vs. Payware products
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:12:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

>>certainly appreciate the work John Norstad has done on it over the years, the 
>>virtual stop in development of Disinfectant 3.0 with support for anti-viral 
>>Apple events may make me change my mind.  For the first time there's going to 
>>be a clear reason to use SAM or VIREX or Rival instead of Disinfectant.  At 
>>least with payware products we aren't dependent on what one person happens to 
>>feel like working on in his spare time.
> 
> No, we're dependent instead on having a company stay in business, and
> having the current management of that company continue to support a
> product.  My experience is that this is _less_ reliable.
> 

	Somehow I doubt Symantec is going out of business or leaving the Mac 
market anytime soon (silly lawsuits not withstanding).  On the other hand John 
Norstad has said that he isn't currently working on Disinfectant (except as 
necessary to add protection against new viruses) and doesn't know when he'll 
start working on it again, if ever.

Elliotte Rusty Harold		Department of Mathematics
elharo@m.njit.edu		New Jersey Institute of Technology
erh0362@tesla.njit.edu		Newark, NJ 07102
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bpb@alfred.carleton.ca (Bryan P. Beazer)
Subject: SYSTEM 7 BUG? - DISAPPEARING FILES
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:42:19 GMT

I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM, FILES KEEP DISAPPEARING
FROM MY HARD DISK DIRECTORY.
I CAN TEMPORARYILY REPLACE THEM BY USING THE FIND COMMAND
BUT THEY DISAPPEAR IF I USE ANYTHING IN THE FILE.
I HAVE A QUADRA 700, SYSTEM 7.0.1.
I'VE TURNED OFF ALL EXTENSIONS.
I REINSTALLED THE OPERATING SYSTEM.
I RAN SUM UTILITIES.
I RAN DISINFECTANT 2.9.
I TOOK 2 VALIUMS, I'M ON THE VERGE OF A BREAKDOWN
AND I STILL CAN'T GET MY FILES TO STAY INPLACE.
CAN ANYONE HELP? 


-- 
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Director, Physical Plant  Cellular: (613) 720-7000 
Carleton University            Fax: (613) 788-4383
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From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 7 BUG? - DISAPPEARING FILES
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:24:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Office of the President
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct16.204219.23950@cunews.carleton.ca>,
bpb@alfred.carleton.ca (Bryan P. Beazer) wrote:
> 
> I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM, FILES KEEP DISAPPEARING
> FROM MY HARD DISK DIRECTORY.
> I CAN TEMPORARYILY REPLACE THEM BY USING THE FIND COMMAND
> BUT THEY DISAPPEAR IF I USE ANYTHING IN THE FILE.
> I HAVE A QUADRA 700, SYSTEM 7.0.1.
> I'VE TURNED OFF ALL EXTENSIONS.
> I REINSTALLED THE OPERATING SYSTEM.
> I RAN SUM UTILITIES.
> I RAN DISINFECTANT 2.9.
> I TOOK 2 VALIUMS, I'M ON THE VERGE OF A BREAKDOWN
> AND I STILL CAN'T GET MY FILES TO STAY INPLACE.
> CAN ANYONE HELP? 
> 

Have you installed the System 7 TuneUp (available from ftp.apple.com). This
is NOT the same thing as System 7.0.1. The TuneUp fixes a number of bugs in
System 7, including the disappearing files problem.

If you have not installed the TuneUp, get it, read the directions
carefully, and then install it. That should solve your problems.

-----------
Jerry Wilcox - iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
University wanted me to speak for it.
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