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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Nissan Classic: Fifth stage result.
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:30:52 GMT

Conor Nolan writes:

> 1, Anderson

Excellent!

> 2, Alcala	+ 7

I've been down on Raul this year, but he sure has redeemed himself. I'd 
give him a fair chance to win the World Cup with the remaining fall 
classics!

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: USCF Charge for club race
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:22:19 GMT

Alan Tragarz says:
   Last week our club put on its first ever race. It was a learning experience
   and well worth it. My question is regarding the fees charged to us by the
   USCF.  We first had to send a check for 1% (I think it was 1%) of the total
   prize money to be awarded.

It should have been 6% of the total prize value.  See Fee 3b on page 1
of the USCF Rulebook.

   Next we gave $1 per racer for USCF insurance. 

That's correct.

   Lastly, the officials charged us 'travel expenses' of $51 & $35. I know for 
   a fact that one of the officers lives within 25 miles of where the race took
   place. My question is: Are these costs correct? What makes up the expenses? 
   Mileage? Food?

The officials fees include a certain amount per day as specified in
Fee 8a, which depends on the race category (determined by the total
prize value as specified in Fee 4) plus expenses given in Fees 8b and
10.  Go read the first four pages of your Rulebook.

   I would also like to know if the 1% of the prize is for money or money and
   product?

Answered above.

   Does it include preems too?

Primes that are advertised in advance are part of the prize list.
Primes raised from the crowd are technically supposed to be included
but are traditionally excluded.

[I tried to handle this by email but my nameserver can't find
donner.sandiego.ncr.com.]

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Nissan Classic:  Fourth stage result.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:31:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep26.214530.1@vax1.tcd.ie> cnolan@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>
>Anderson now has the Yellow jersey and should be expected to hold on to it
>'till the finish tomorrow in Dublin.  Anderson's win was quite popular in Cork
>as Motorola are one of the big employers in the area.

And it's pretty popular here too. It's nice to see a race being won
by an english speaker for a change. :-)

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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: upgrade points
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.135934.8925@cbfsb.cb.att.com> weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
.......................
>Anyway that should give me 12 points (7+5).  There's a little information 
>in the USCF rules about upgrade points from attending training clinics.
>WEll, earlier this year I went to the USCF rider clinic in Chicago.  This
>would be the two day seminar that was advertised in Bicycling.  Is
>this one of the camps that gives upgrade points?  If so how many?

It's up to your district rep.  Ask him (or her) if you are ready to
upgrade, and mention the clinic.  Some reps don't really care about
the points, they just want to see that you have the experience.
Apparently you have both.

John_Ampe@att.com
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From: corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman)
Subject: Re: 93 Tour
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:00:52 GMT

In article <BuxHnn.2FH@breeze.rsre.mod.uk>, harp@breeze.rsre.mod.uk (Andy Harp) writes:
> In article <1992Sep17.173820.6116@stortek.com> jennings@lhotse.stortek.com (Jeff Jennings) writes:
> >Does anyone have a schedule, locations, etc?
> 
> >BTW, what does TYIOOK (or whatever it is) stand for?????
> 
> Don't know
> 
It's TIOOYK. It stands for "There is only one you know."

Ciao,
-- 
Russell Corfman
AG Communication Systems; Phoenix, AZ
UUCP: ...!{ncar!noao!enuucp | att}!gtephx!corfmanr
Internet: gtephx!corfmanr@enuucp.eas.asu.edu
(602) 581-4403
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: MTB WORLDS...WHAT HAPPENNED???
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 18706@netcom.com, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.213616.21067@norfolk.vak12ed.edu> jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Joseph R. Pitts) writes:
>>I MAYBE A LITTLE LATE...BUT WHAT HAPPENNED AT THE WORLDS IN
>>CANADA??? AND WHEN WILL ESPN BROADCAST THE RACE (MAYBE FOR EVEN
>>LONGER THAN THEIR RESPECTIVE 15 MINS..).
>
>On a cyclocross type of track the Europeans dominted with the men's
>cross country results:
>
>1) Henrik Djernis (Dk) Ritchey
>2) Thomas Frichknecht (Sw) Ritchey @ 3:27
>3) David Baker (GB) Raleigh @ 4:26
>-
>-
>6) Daryl Price (USA) Specialized @ 8:26 (first American)
>
>Women's:
>
>1) Silvia Furst (Sw) Specialized
>2) Alison Sydor (Can) Kahlua @ 1:49
>3) Ruthie Mathes (USA) Ritchey @ 3:00
>
>There has been much talk about the American's getting slaughtered at 
>their own game but that is pure bunk. The course was cyclocross 
>material with stream crossings that required walking and a section
>of dead-slow rocks in the downhill. Even then Tomac lead the men's
>for most of the race until he blew-up from going too hard between
>the slow sections. In the women's, Julie Furtado was doing here
>regular 'kill-the-competition' ride until she dropped it hard in
>a stream crossing and injurred her knee (remember she has had _lots_
>of knee surgery.)

This is mostly true. However, Frichknecht has been more than competitive on 
on *any* course this year, and Alison Sydor is primarily a road rider.

>
>It was their course this year and that is only fair. If it was
>a high altitude slog with tons of climbing Ned Overend would
>have led the way. And the American women would have slaughtered
>the Europeans. But give them a course that requires dismounting and
>carrying a bike and we're not in the same ball park.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Summary of changes in USCF regulations
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:15:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver-248

In article <1992Oct5.201712.4958@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>Here is a summary of significant changes in USCF regulations adopted
>by the Board of Directors on September 27, given in agenda order.
>
>B31h.  USCF's affiliation with USPRO is terminated.

Hooray!  Hooray!  Hooray!

I wonder who Jackie Slimes is going to steal from now????

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Jay Senior did not make it to the Worlds
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:27:49 GMT

Its a bit late but my friend Jay broke his colar bone in Italy just before
the worlds.  At 17 this was his first year on the provincial and national
teams (after winning the nationals this year).  We were hoping that he could
do well in the worlds but the crash which happened on a descent, during a
rain storm & full braking, stoped everything for this year.
  He was one of the stronger guys in a team I co-managed 2 years ago.  Of the
5 guys, the best one (at the time) sold all his gear and is currently exploring
(himself??) while another has stumbled due to lack of family support, encour-
agement; one is enjoying knee surgery; and Frank who looked good is as
inconsistant as all hell.  So it seems that not only 1 of 5 MTBers make it
across a stream but only 1 of 5 roadies push long enough to make it to 
international competition.
  With some support from his brother hopefully Jay will be at the next
olympics (his brother rides and his parents have been helpfull to indifferent).
  - Eric 
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From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: RE: Collegiate potential (was: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <29SEP92.20310497@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu>, stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
|> 
|> >Paul,
|> > 
|> >Having been the president of 3 collegiate cycling teams, and coach of
|> >more than 1 collegiate national champion, I would have to disagree
|> >with you that collegiate racing is the source of much racing talent.
|> >The vast majority of collegiate riders, even the very successful ones,
|> >do not continue to race seriously once they graduate.  It could have
|> >something to do with career opportunities but, while a good number of
|> >potentially great riders do develop under the collegiate program, few
|> >ever take it from there to become great USCF riders.
|> > 
|> >Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
|> 
|> Roger,
|> 	I doubt that you remember me, I raced for Cal the year before 
|> you started there and hung out the following year. Anyhow, all of the 
|> top 5 finishers in the men's olympic trials were former collegiate racers. 
|> This is pretty good concidering collegiate cycling has only gotten orgainized
|> in a big way in the last 5 yars or so.  I gather from your suggestion that the
|> cycling careers of collegiate cyclists is limitted by too many outside 
|> opportunites duee to their getting a degree.  This may be true, but is that
|> a problem?  


It probably also has to do with "being poor".  After living life
as a college student, then continuing a similar lifestyle as a
USCF cyclist, some people may opt for that "real job".  Cyclists
aren't known for getting paid much and sometimes just can't afford
to continue racing. 

Leigh Ann

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From: jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Joseph R. Pitts)
Subject: Re: MTB WORLDS...WHAT HAPPENNED???
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:00:45 GMT

jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu  writes:
> I MAYBE A LITTLE LATE...BUT WHAT HAPPENNED AT THE WORLDS IN
> CANADA??? AND WHEN WILL ESPN BROADCAST THE RACE (MAYBE FOR EVEN
> LONGER THAN THEIR RESPECTIVE 15 MINS..).
> 
> 					IN THE DARK,
> 					JOE PITTS
> 				ORDINARY GUY, WHRO-NORFOLK
> 
> 
eureka!!!! i found it nightowls... 1am eastern time october
1st, tomorrow for an hour!!! 

MY DISCLAIMER????
HA!					joe pitts
				same guy, same channel
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:33:08 GMT

In article <92277.183524MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>wow, that's pretty surprizing--but no kidding, the fans were out of wack--that
>guy who knocked over Bugno--what a dork!  Also, how about that stage when chiap
>ucci passed the motorcycles and was fighting his way through the crowds?  that
>was insane--they should do something, but no alpe d'huez is silly--that's an aw
>esome stage.  later, maria at psu

It seems to me that Andy Hampsten said that the Col de Fer was considerably
harder.

And they had to drop L'Alpe d'Huez sometime because it was being said by
the media to be the stage that _defined_ the Tour. That's pretty high-handed
and requires a good Tour without it. The Tour is the Tour, not any particular
stage.

I hope that there is plenty of climbing next year. It's time for the
climbers to get a chance and for the stages to slow down to some
reasonable speed that doesn't burn the majority of the peloton up
so that they can't really contest the flat stages.

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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:00:17 GMT

Regarding the relative emphasis that USCF puts on elite versus "grass
roots" cycling, john.e.ampe writes:
   [.  .  .]
   Now I'm not saying exactly what the USCF needs to do, because I don't
   know.  But I hope that they at least recognize the problem, and put
   some resources into solving it.

Yes, this is a problem that needs to be addressed squarely.  Up until
now, the division of priorities represented by the budget has been the
result of somewhat random tensions between the USCF Competition,
Development, Masters, and Juniors Committees.  Now that those
committees have all been blown away, the Board itself is clearly
responsible for setting priorities and must face up to it.  This will
be a tough job that some will try to evade.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: Milt Shapiro <milts@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Date: 01 Oct 92 11:23 PDT
Subject: Re: When is the Grand Prix des Amer
Nf-ID: #R:GREG.92Sep30103225@regulus.sce.c:-1290418414:cdp:1701400002:000:110
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!milts    Oct  1 11:23:00 1992


the race begins at 10 a.m. but it is nice to get there earlier and hang
out around the "big boys".  have fun!

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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 11:51:55 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 
In article <92277.183524MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> wow, that's pretty surprizing--but no kidding, the fans were out of wack--that
|> guy who knocked over Bugno--what a dork! 

that was on the stage to sestriere

|> Also, how about that stage when chiap
|> ucci passed the motorcycles and was fighting his way through the crowds?  that
|> was insane--they should do something, but no alpe d'huez is silly--that's an aw
|> esome stage.  later, maria at psu

it'a a dubious way to get famous - the guy's photo was published in bici sport

aarn
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From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: MTB WORLDS...WHAT HAPPENNED???
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 12:02:25 GMT

Man-o-man I wish we got ESPN in Canada.  Our sports network
is too wrapped up in Blue Jays baseball and pro bowling 
to put anything like a bicycling show on.  If anyone has
a video tape (Beta or VHS) of the World's, would be possible
to copy it and send it to me.  I would of, of course, cover
the cost of a tape and the postage (as well as be eternally 
greatful - I may actually be in some of the ESPN footage
since I was right across from an ESPN cameraman taking
footage of a downhill section in the cross-country race).


PleasePleasePleasePleasePlease!


Thanks....Stuart
From: machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Criterium
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:35:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep26.021923.29385@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
>Jarryl B. Ritchie (jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu) writes:
>
>> Marc San Soucie writes:
>
>I have tried it. I continue to try it. I continue to fail because my 
>instincts for self-preservation always seem to win out over my desire to 
>reach that corner before the yahoo next to me.
>
>> An admitted Crit Lover.
>
>A strong road race partisan. By the way, I do believe in the compromise -
>ciruit races on moderate-length courses. Even the World's is a circuit
>race, though on a long course. 2 and 3-mile courses provide plenty of
>action for spectators who need it, and distinctly reduced chances of
>crashing for the riders.

Funny thing though, circuit races are the least available, I think this 
season (NorCal) there was less than 6 circuit races- if that.

>
>> p.s. this is not intended to be a flame.
>
>Not taken as one.
>
>    Marc San Soucie
-- 

Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina
From: krust@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Kelly Rust)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: MTB WORLDS...WHAT HAPPENNED???
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:46:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEK1J.KLC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:

>This absolutely the last time I am going to post this.....don't flame me
>for the repetition!
>Here are the results in the senior elite (ie the pros) division for the
>World Mountain Biking Championships held last week at Bromont, Quebec.



60 minutes of coverage on ESPN tonight (Wed PM/Thur AM) at midnight CDT.

Kelly
From: machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:55:10 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep29.164011.11170@ncs.com> dick@ncs.com writes:
>
>In article <29SEP92.01202321@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>>Last weekend I attended the 1992 USCF delegates meeting
>>in Washington DC.  
...
>>Notes: USCF + NORBA + NCCA membership = 56,000
>>
>
>I found the growth in NORBA to be interesting.  If the trend
>continues, NORBA will have more members than the USCF in
>2 or 3 years.
>-- 
>
>Dick Anderson

I'm not sure what all this means, but it's interesting to note that (NorCal)
NORBA may someday have more members than the USCF, but yet the number of races
and therefor the number of people who race NORBA, is no where near the numbers 
that race USCF.  

My guess is that lots of people want to race mtb only a few (< 5) 
times a year.


-- 

Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina
From: dinsdale@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Don McDaniel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:12:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.pq-pq7c
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep29.164011.11170@ncs.com> dick@ncs.com writes:
>
>   ....regarding the idea that USCF is about developing elite
        athletes rather than providing fun local races......

>I got this feeling also.  This used to bother me, but now I think it is
>appropriate.  The USCF has a mandate to produce athletes for the Olympics
>and world competition.  This mandate is provided by the fact that they
>are the governing body for cycling to the U.S. Olympic committee.  The 
>USOC gave the USCF something like $600,000.  The USCF spent something like
>$1 million on training for the elite athletes.  Pardon me if these figures
>are not exact.  I don't have the figures in front of me and these are the
>aprrox. amounts as I remember them.  This leaves approx $3 million in the
>budget for everything else.  Considering the cost of insurance, salaries,
>and other expenses, this is not a great amount.  After all, if the USCF
>doesn't provide a program for the elite athletes, who will?  It's not 
>something that can be done at the local club level.
>

I agree that this is an appropriate emphasis for USCF.  I think it is 
up to local clubs to put on a lot of low-cost races to give the rest 
of us someplace to race.  USCF is really not in a position to promote
local "fun" races.


--
_________________________________________________________________
Don McDaniel                           dinsdale@chtm.eece.unm.edu
Center for High Technology Materials
University of New Mexico
From: djd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dan Dixon)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:30:41 GMT
Subject: Re: ESPN MTBing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing

In rec.bicycles.racing, aviechec@dante.nmsu.edu (Alex Viechec) writes:

> I would really appreciate it if anyone could could tell me if/when any more
> mountain bike races will be on ESPN.  Thanks 
> 
> Alex 


I think MTBing is on Wednesday Sep 30 10:00pm MDT on ESPN.  

To find these events, just look in the front section of TV Guide on the
SPORTS THIS WEEK page.  They seem to fall on Wednesday nights most of the
time.

-Dan Dixon
From: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: BIKE SWAP, DAVIS CA 10/11/92
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:13:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu


 On Sunday 10/11 the Davis Bike Club will be holding a bike swap. This is a good
 opportunity to sell used bicycle parts and accessories that you have laying aro
und or to get a good deal on used (and some new stuff as well) equipment and bic
ycles. If you have stuff to sell then show up at 8:30 a.m. and we'll help you se
t things up. The swap runs from 9:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. The location is the Veteran'
s Memorial at 203 E. 14th St. in Davis, California.

For additional information please call Ben or Steve at (916) 758-0643. Please do
 not respond to this E-mail address. See you there.
From: mccallum@chlorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Kilometer TT
Date: 28 Sep 1992 00:30:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chlorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

I was just in Italy, and picked up a cycling magazine.  Tho I couldn't
read it (I don't know Italian), there was extensive coverage
of the track events, and there was a picture of a small bike with a 
derailleur/shifter on it.  I took this to be the aformentioned bike.
Anyone know Italian?
Sorry this is re: such an old article, but like I said...

--Mike

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