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In article <1993Jan15.212653.20580@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
 tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
|> In article <1j6r5vINN5no@meaddata.meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com (John
 Townsend) writes:
|> |> Gennifer Flowers, a lounge singer, was paid in 1991 for her 12-year affair
 with
|> |> Clinton with a job in the Arkansas Board of Reviews Appeals Tribunal.  The
 job
|> |> description for the position she took was actually modified to fit her
 creden-
|> |> tials, and a black woman named Charlotte Perry, who had already applied
 for
|> |> that job and was recommended by her supervisor, was denied the promotion
|> |> because of it.  Perry filed a complaint, and the grievance committee
 agreed
|> |> with her, but the recommendations of the committee were overruled by a
 Clinton
|> |> appointee.  Flowers taped a telephone conversation with Clinton in which
 she
|> |> demanded that he get her a job, and threatened to go public with their
 rela-
|> |> tionship if he didn't.  Clinton responded that he would deny any such
 allega-
|> |> tions if she did.
|>
|> John,  if I called you up and suggested that unless you gave me $10,000 I'd
|> go public about our homosexual relationship, I expect you'd respond that
|> you would deny any such allegations if I did.
|>
|> Clintons response is consistent with the expected reaction of
|> 1)  a guilty man stating he will cover it up
|> 2)  an innocent man stating he will proclaim his innocence.
|>
|> A lot of people read what they want into this story,  but there isn't
|> a smoking gun.   This is exactly the same reason that Clarence Thomas
|> was nominated to the Supreme Court, even though Anita Hill had corroborating
|> witnesses.   The facts are just not compelling enough to conclude that
|> either man is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
|>
|> Or would you like to suggest that the mere suggestion of impropriety is
|> sufficient for conviction?

Did you actually read the transcripts?  Evidently not, but then hardly anyone
published them.  Here's an excerpt that was published in The Washington Times
on January 28, 1992:


--- Begin Transcript ---

    Clinton: I'm just sorry that you ever had to put up with that {garbled}.

    Flowers: Well, you know, to be real honest with you, I'm not completely
surprised.  I didn't think it would start this quickly.  But I think, Bill,
you're being naive if you think these other shows like "Current Affair" and, oh,
what are some of the others - "Hard Copy" . . .

    Clinton: I thought they'd look into it, but, you know, I just think a crazy
person like Larry Nichols is not enough to get a story on the television with
names in it.

    Flowers: Right.  Well, he better not get on there and start naming names.

    Clinton: Well, that's what I mean.  You know, if all the people who are
named deny it, that's all, I mean, I expect them to look into it and interview
you and everything, but I just think that if everybody's on  record denying  it
you've  got no problem.

    Flowers: Well, I don't think, why would they waste their money and time
coming down here unless someone showed them some interest?  . . .

    Clinton: No, no, see, that's it.  I mean they're going to run this Larry
Nichols thing down, they're going to try to goad people up, you know.  But if
everybody kind of hangs tough, there's just not going to be anything.  They
can't.

    Flowers: No, they can't.

    Clinton: They can't run a story like this unless somebody said, "Yeah, I did
it with him."

    Flowers: Well, you're, uh, you know, from the feedback I'm getting around me
about various things that are going on with what you're doing, I'm getting very
positive feedback.

    Clinton: Yeah, there's no negative except this.

    Flowers: This is the only thing.

    Clinton: And there's no negative to me running except this.  And even if I
was . . . as a matter of fact, it might be better for me to lose the primary.  I
might lose the nomination to Bob Kerrey because he's got all the Gary
Hart/Hollywood money, and because he's single, looks like a  movie star,  won
the  Medal of Honor  and since he's single, nobody cares if he's  screwing.
{Laughs}

    Clinton: Most people think, you know, that except for {New York Gov.  Mario}
Cuomo, I'm doing the best right now and, uh, we're leading in the polls in
Florida without Cuomo in there, but Cuomo's at 87 percent name recognition and I
have 54 percent.  So I mean I'm at a terrible disadvantage in the name
recognition, but we're coming up and . . . I'm really pleased about it.

    Flowers: Well, I don't particularly care for Cuomo's demeanor.

    Clinton: Boy, he is so aggressive.

    Flowers: Well, he seems like he could get real mean.  I wouldn't be
surprised if he didn't have some Mafioso major connections.

    Clinton: Well, he acts like one.  {Laughs}

    Clinton: I  wonder  if I'm just going to be  blown out  of the water with
this.  I don't see how they can {garbled} so far.

    Flowers: I don't think they can . . .

    Clinton: If they don't, if they don't have pictures, and no one says
anything, they don't have anything, and arguably if someone says something, they
don't have much.

    Flowers: If they could blow you out of the water they would have already
blown you . . .

    Clinton: How do you like holding my future in {garbled} hands?  Do you like
that?

    Flowers: Yeah.  {Laughs} . . . I would love to see you go, oh, I'd love to
see you be president.  I think that would be wonderful.  I think you'd make a
damn good one.  I don't like {President} Bush.  I think he's a sneaky bastard.
He's two-faced.  I'd just love to see somebody get in there for a change, really
make a difference.  It's like I told you before, whatever you need me to do,
just let me know,

    Clinton: I will.

    Flowers: The only thing that concerns me, where I'm concerned at this point,
is the state job.

    Clinton: Yeah, I never thought about that.  But as long as you say you've
just been looking for one, you'da check on it.  If they ever ask if you talked
to me about it, you can say no.

    Flowers: All right, darling.  Well, you hang in there.  I don't mean to
worry you, I just . . .

    Clinton: I just want to know these things.  If I can help you, you let me
know.

    Flowers: Well, when you can help me is when I decide I want to get the heck
out of here.

    Clinton: All you need to do is let me know.

    Flowers: Because I don't know, I don't know where to turn.  I really don't.
I mean my contacts have just sort of fizzled in Nashville.  It's been a long
time and I don't know anybody.

    Clinton: I'll help you.

    Flowers: OK.  Well, I'll be back in touch, and you will let me know if you
know anything I need to know about.

    Clinton: I will.

    Flowers: OK?

    Clinton: Goodbye, baby.

    Flowers: Talk to you later.

--- End Transcript ---


Clinton never denied that it was him on the tape, and voice analysts have
confirmed that it is his voice.  Clinton even apologized to Mario Cuomo for
the remarks made about him.  Everyone just said that it's none of our business
who Clinton screws, and that we have to "focus on the issues."  But even if you
believe that, how do you justify the hiring of Gennifer Flowers over Charlotte
Perry?  The job description had to be modified in order to allow Flowers to be
hired from outside instead of promoting Perry from within.  Eleven people took
a skills test for the job; Flowers placed ninth and was hired, which prompted
Perry to file the grievance.

"Goodbye, baby."

Forwarded by Brett'
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