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From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Compuserve (telnetting to) 
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:26:45 EST
Organization: Blue Knight Productions

In article <718019194snx@eternity.demon.co.uk> whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk ("Russell E. Whitaker") writes:
> X.400... I must have been thinking of GENie.  There were rumors a
> while back that they were getting such a gateway.

	The GEnis gateway is already available... but the person has to
have an internet account on GEnie to use it.

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From: mike@array.com (Mike Willett)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: USAF Academy
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:16:05 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	I believe you can reach the USAF Academy by mailing 

		user@usafa.af.mil

	Where "user" is your nephew's login.


	Best Regards!  --Mike

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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Easynet
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:08:17 GMT


In article <Bvv7J3.8rn@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, monty@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (John Montgomery) writes...
>I need to know something about Easynet. If you have any idea how it works,
>contents, and the procedure for subscription please let me know.
> 

Easynet is the name of the world's largest private network - the 50,000+
node network within Digital. Is this what you're talking about?


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From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: SATAN
Date: 13 Oct 1992 23:02:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, satan@evil.demon.co.uk (satan) says:

(total idiotic jerkoff statements deleted)

>|    you      A   666    A  |------------------------------------------| 
>|             Z          Z  |                                          |
>|  NAZINAZINAZI          I  |  I AM SATAN AND I AM GOING TO FUCK YOU   |
>|                           |                                          |
>|                           |                                          |
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+

I don't know.....you seemed pretty fucked already.(what an idiot, finds
out how to change his address, and then turns stupid)

So does this mean that if you are bad....when you die you go to UK?

D
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From: woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: FTP
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:03:17 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

bx096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Andrew Stark) writes:


>I've been trying to use FTP. But I still have a question about it.
>I have an IBM PC on which I call a telnet number. From there I
>telnet to a computer and then to my Unix account at WIRETAP.SPIES.COM
>Unfortunately, when I try out the FTP command with the GEt command, that
>gets the file to the Unix, but How do I get it to my PC since I am
>already telneting?


Why not ftp to the telnet address of your pc and put the file that way ?


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From: mattm@snet.sandr.com (Matt Mosley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: MIT - SYSTEM ADMIN
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:53:42 GMT
Organization: What, you think we're organized?

bx096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Andrew Stark) writes:

> 
> I am trying to write to my sister up on Athena.mit.edu but 
> unfortunately, the talk command doesn't work. Some of you have 
> suggested contacting the system adminstrator at MIT. But How do I do that fro
> here?

Try mailing root@athena.mit.edu

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From: dduff@infopls.chi.il.us (Dennis Duffner)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: 216 INternet mail?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 12:12:52 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:

> Does anyone know of any BBSs in the 216 Cleveland area that offers 
> internet mail and Usenet capabilites?  I don't need full internet access.
> Thanks ahead of time
> 
> --
> damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
> Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.

 
I son't know the number but Cleveland Free Net has both.

Dennis Duffner                           dduff@infopls.chi.il.us
 
Member, AAAF-American Association of Amiga Fanatics
From: brendan@cygnus.com (Brendan Kehoe)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Zen is ascii, too
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:48:17 GMT
Reply-To: brendan@cygnus.com
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto CA; Phone +1 415 322 3811
In-reply-to: teddybur@netcom.com's message of Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.014136.21389@netcom.com> teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger) writes:

   In article <1992Oct9.095233.1@uncavx.unca.edu> strauss@uncavx.unca.edu writes:
   >Zen can either be bought (Prentice Hall) as a 2nd edition (quite nice
   >even at $22) or downloaded as straight ascii text from Project Gutenberg
   >at ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
   >go to pub/etext, I think, and there is a directory called 'zen' I believe.
   >

   Prentice Hall has stopped shipping this 2nd edition due to a revision that
   is being put into it.  They should resume the shipment of the 2nd ed rev in
   a few weeks.

You're quite mistaken.  They didn't "stop shipping", the first
printing ran out.  The second printing is due to begin shipping any
time now.

If there's any "stop-gap" revision being made to it, I certainly am
not aware of it.  (Given that I possess the camera copy, it's rather
difficult for them to make changes to the masters.)

Could you tell me where you got your info?

Brendan
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: monty@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (John Montgomery)
Subject: Easynet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:35:24 GMT

I need to know something about Easynet. If you have any idea how it works,
contents, and the procedure for subscription please let me know.


Thanks

John
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Compuserve & Internet
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:17:15 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct10.025601.20904@eff.org> adamg@eff.org (Adam Gaffin) writes:
>Well, what you can do is use a program called uuencode to convert all
>those nasty binary characters into standard ASCII characters.  You can
>then drop this into an e-mail message and send it off to the recipient on
>CompuServe.  Of course, he or she will have a program to uudecode
>the file after downloading it.  There may also be a size limit on e-mail
>messages (I *think* it's 50K, but somebody please correct me!).  Although
>uuencode and uudecode are originally Unix programs, there are now MS-DOS,
>Mac, Amiga, etc., variants.

Yeah, the limit is about 50k.  I wonder why CIS does not support Kermit.
Kermit works fine through all of the other Merit-available hosts.


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: c.CRepin@ic.ac.UK (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond)
Subject: Re: Internet <=> X.400
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:13:07 GMT

>Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
>Subject: Internet <=> X.400?
>Message-ID: <10292285.71342.21497@kcbbs.gen.nz>
>From: Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)
>Date: 12 Oct 92 19:49:02 GMT
>
>Hello all,
>         Anybody know if there is some connection between X.400 and 
>internet? Also anybody used X.400?

There are a number of gateways for X.400 email. The point which one
has to remember is that in some cases X.400 email services charge $$$
for the traffic which is transported, on a per kb basis.
As a result, some messages may bounce back to you for some obscure
reason, but this is simply caused by the fact that if you send email
to an X.400 adress via internet, the X.400 provider may not be
able to charge the sender appropriately.

Anyway, I know of 2 X.400 <-> Internet gateways.

one is <sprint.com> which is US SPrint X.400 email services.
another is <mhs-relay.ac.uk> whic is literally a UK Janet <-> X.400
gateway but which may be usable by Internet users. For more
information regarding the Uk gateway, you may contact <liaison@mhs-relay.ac.uk>.

Sprintmail services can be contacted at <postmaster@sprint.com>. Specify
that you want info about X.400 and the postmaster will forward your
request to the X.400 postmaster which will (if they can be bothered to
do so) reply to your question from their X.400 account. This will
also give you a taste of the HORRIFFIC format of X.400 addresses.

Hope this helps,

O.

BTW: I have nothing to do with either sprint.com or mhs-relay.ac.uk
     I've just dealt with them in the past.



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From: ak665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Harvey L. Pekar)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Looking for information re: networks to Indonesia
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:29:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


THE person to ask about this is John MacDougall (apakabar@igc.org).
He runs several on-line news/info services through his company
Indonesia Publications.
From: schoy@aludra.usc.edu (Sui-Kong Choy)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: BBS numbers for area (818), (310) and (213)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:31:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

   Hello, does anyone have a list of BBS numbers (either modem, or voice) 
   for the area (818), (310) and (213) ? Any kinda help is appreciated.
   Thanks,
    Phil.
    ps> since i don't rn regularly, please reply in e-mail, thank you.


Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From:  (Macintosh LC IIi )
Subject: Us Mac People
Followup-To: alt.bbs.internet
Organization: Sorry, none.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:10:40 GMT

Hey all you Mac people out there. I want FTP sites. I'm sure you do, too.
SO start a BIG list marked MAC. Do it here! Thanx.

[Quote of the day : "No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney."]
From: markw@gvlf7-p.gvl.unisys.com (Mark H. Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: "Zen" location
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:04:21 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation (A Unisys Company)


"Zen" (version 1) is also available via ftp from GVL.Unisys.COM
[128.126.220.104] in ~/pub/pubnet. In addition to the postscript
version, an ascii version is available.

Mark
From: rjm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ryan Mitchell)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Talk, WRITE commands
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:08:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <RDDHsB3w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>bx096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Andrew Stark) writes:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am trying out direct communications. I have tried many times to contact 
>> directly my sister at MIT directly. I tried TALK and the write commands.
>> Unfortunately, neither worked. Talked kept on saying that she was refusing
>> my messages (which was at the time false) and write said that she
>> wasn't even logged on (which she was at the time).
>> 
>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Yes.  Speak with the system and network admins at MIT.  It is likely they
>have installed TCP-wrapper or otherwise to keep unauthorized connections
>OUT of their internal network.
>
>Alternatively, make sure your sister does the 'mesg y' thingy, assuming she
>uses a REAL Unix that has such a command, e.g., SunOS.  I believe SysVR3 has
>it, but I know not of SysVR4, Mach, etc.

The write command works only on one's local system and not across
networks; that's why you were getting the not logged on message.
As far as the talk command, make sure both you and her have done
a "mesg yy" (yes, two y's) and then try the talk command.  If
that is unsuccessful, I'd find a sysadmin to find out if it is
indeed possible.

Ryan

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton)
Subject: Re: Us Mac People
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:24:43 GMT

An anonymous netuser says:

"Hey all you Mac people out there. I want FTP sites. I'm sure you do, too.
SO start a BIG list marked MAC. Do it here! Thanx.

[Quote of the day : "No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney."]

Since this is a FAQ, let's *not* start a big list here.
Instead, let's use the big list that already exists in the comp.sys.mac.comm
FAQ list which is regularly posted in the comp.sys.mac.comm and news.answers
newsgroups.
From: daniel.coulombe@synapse.org (Daniel Coulombe) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: WorldBlazer initialization
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: daniel.coulombe@synapse.org (Daniel Coulombe) 

to: alt.bbs.internet
from: daniel.coulombe@synapse.org

I am trying to use the Telebit WorldBlazer for UUCP mail transfers. I 
have access to a WB line, so TurboPEP could be used for sure.

However, for some reason, I never succeed in getting TurboPEP 
connections, and I rather get v.32bis (14.4K). I then end up with just 
about 1100 cps!... Is that a normal speed to reach with UUCP? I am 
used to much faster speeds using ZModem and other modems (HSTs, 
v.32bis, etc)...

Should I live with that speed, using a modem that supposedly can 
support up to 23K baud? If that's the case, any cheap v.32bis modem 
would do the exact same job. Or is there a way to push the numbers a 
tiny bit?

I would like to have a copy of your configuration (AT &V) if you 
succeeded in getting some performance out of a WorldBlazer.

Thanks

Daniel Coulombe, Synapse BBS

daniel.coulombe@synapse.org

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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: BIG INTERNET QUESTIONS (IGNORE OTHER VERSION!)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct09092621patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz> Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
> rsb5c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Richard S. Bondi) in
>   <1992Oct5.134707.11837@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> writes:
> 
> > 5.   Email is free, whether to someone else at your university or
> > to New Zealand.
> 
> It's not free over here in New Zealand.  All uucp connected sites have
> to pay for sending AND receiving e-mail - about US$10/megabyte; sites on
> the Internet pay for total tcp/ip volume (mail/telnet/ftp etc). The
> situation is similar in many other countries -- it all depends on
> whether the people who run your network decide to be generous and
> encourage network activity or user-pays capitalists like they are here.
>  

Pat is right......Lots of folks pay money for E-mail. I usually pay about
NZ$20-30 per quarter.....but my last bill was NZ$233. I have been sending
UUencoded shareware files around the place.....it got a bit out of hand. 
 
But considering the number of megabytes I was moving.....that price is
actually pretty good. 
 
Steve

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: what is compuserve ?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:24:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.000945.14789@mail.cornell.edu> Don Lee <DL10@cornell.edu> writes:
> >
> >It's an American online service that is expensive for Americans,
> restricted to
> >2400bps (unless you can print your own money) and is too expensive for
> >everyone else (unless you are or work for a monopoly industry OR are
> spending
> >taxpayers money).
> > 
> >Steve
> 
> There is a basic services option available for a monthly fee (no other
> connect time charges - as long as you stay in the basic services areas) -
> something like $7.50/month.  You can connect at up to 9600bps (if you
> have a local number that supports it, of course).
> 
> Don Lee (DL10@cornell.edu)

As the original poster was from Italy.....I would like to point out that the
situation Don describes above applies only to users in the US with local
dia-up access. 
 
Here in New Zealand, CIS costs NZ$24/hour. There is also an NZ$25/hour connect
charge for access to CIS via FALNET (Fujitsu). That totals out at NZ$49/hour.
Even with the basic option, you pay the NZ$25/hour connect fee - regardless.

This would likely be true from Italy, too. CompuServe from outside the US is
not for the faint of heart - or the average wage earner: Hence my remarks
above about large organisations and government departments.....

I spent NZ$700+ in 8 weeks of clock-watching, nerve-wracking CIS usage earlier
this year. I could have bought a 120Meg hard drive for the same amount (I
should have). I did not get a similar benefit from the money expended. 
 
CIS is very useful for some - but it definitely isn't for the casual user.
 
Steve
 

 


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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            | looks like we may get a more  
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".
From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Well..
Date: 14 Oct 1992 03:29:49 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting maddox@west.darkside.com (Otto Maddox) writes:
>I am looking for newsgroups pertaining to tropical fish and
>Amateur Radio.  All help is appreciated.
>

Take a look at the news.* heirarchy. Take a look at news.announce.newusers,
and news.lists. 


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From: doug@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Doug Luce)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: InterPub: variant of NixPub?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:29:15 GMT
Organization: Telerama TCP/IP BBS, 412/481-5302

Often enough, there have been requests on this list (and I've wondered
myself) for Internet/Email BBS's that are accessible via modem in a
particular area code.  Although one can find that sort of information,
it's usually at the end of a long dig through several lists.

I'm considering compiling a list of Internet BBS's.  I define an
Internet BBS as belonging to one of two classes:

1) UUCP BBS: a BBS that offers Email and News, and perhaps other
   UUCP'able products (Clarinet, Newsbytes, USA Today, etc.).  They
   provide a domain-qualified or bang-path email address for users on the
   system.  I would like to restrict listings to those that provide News,
   but I could be swayed on this.

2) TCP/IP BBS: a BBS that's On The Net, available on a decent schedule
   (minimum 8 hours a day).  Users would have the option of using the
   network in a real-time capacity; Telnet, FTP, or some other subset of
   TCP/IP protocols are available to the users on demand.  Users would
   also have a domain-qualified email address.

Both of these classes are additionally qualified: they MUST provide
modems for dial-up usage.  I.e. student-run dorm-room BBS's with a
network connection only would be disqualified.  I would also be
hesitant to list a university's dial in numbers for access to BBS's
like that.  I might even only list BBS's that provide some sort of
long-term identification, such as a business name, PO box, telephone
number, etc.

I haven't seen a list that restricts information to just this; have I
been looking in the wrong places?  Neither NixPub, Scott Yanoff's
list, nor Zamfield's (Wonderfully Incomplete) Internet BBS list have
this sort of thing going for them.

Ideas or submissions are welcomed!

Doug
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Telerama BBS -- The Pittsburgh Cyberspace Port of Entry.
412/481-5302  Telnet address: telerama.pgh.pa.us
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 20:51:08 -0400 
From: David Rothenberger <dr20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Internet Access

I am trying to find out how a commercial software development company
would go about obtaining access to Internet.  Can someone point me in
the right direction?

Thanks,
Dave Rothenberger
Healthcare Affiliated Services
Pittsburgh, PA
From: holmes7000@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: I need help with internet, Please!
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:59:58 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I just hooked up with internet and I would like to know how I can access BBS
systems and or download.  I have absolutly no clue or if it's even possible. 
Any and all responses by E-Mail would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.

                            Brando
    
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet