HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: The Liberal Party RIP. (was: Re: Silly Bible semi-pedantry [was: Re: Happy Christmas!]
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:09:00 GMT

In article <C0JzHB.9GG@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

>Except for the fact that [the Liberals] no longer exist. I was at the 
>Norbreck Castle for the
>merger beano. Unfortunately the merger partner turned out not to be the
>advertised party of social democracy but a yuppie version of the Tory party
>without That Bloddy Woman.

[Oh dear...]

>Except that the Liberals started from being a party of government and managed to
>self destruct with two massive splits over Ireland and Lloyd George.

[Oh dear again...]

>Question is whether the people remaining in the SlDLDPLDDP (I left after I
>couldn't remember the boody name while canvasing) are committed to the
>principles or the party. 

[Oh my God...]

>Since the Labour party has adopted most of the policies of the old liberal party
>and offers a far more credible party machine I don't see much point in the
>Liberal Democrats. 

[Oh bloody hell...]

MATTHEW!  RESTRAIN YOURSELF!  IGNORE THIS MAN!  LET US ALL BE SAVED
FROM THE WRATH OF THE HUNTBACH!

--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jeremyb@sequent.com (Jeremy Barnett)
Subject: Re: Silly Bible semi-pedantry [was: Re: Happy Christmas!]
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:33:34 GMT

>>Well I never...  So you take opposing points of view on different
>>groups?  Does that mean there's a group somewhere where you spend your
>>time jeering at the Liberals, or defending the impoverished north
>>against the affluent south?
>>
>I'm quite consistent - I can distinguish between opposing
>(blah blah..)
>want to write in defence of the north however.
>
>Matthew Huntbach

I think I've sussed why the Liberals do so badly in elections. Are you a
campaigner?

Jerry Barnett
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: psjoblom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leif Sjoblom)
Subject: London housing info needed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:59:56 GMT

Hi,
  I may be offered a job in London and I want to find out the housing 
situation. I will most likely rent, but buying is an option. I'm looking 
for
             * 3 bedrooms
             * an area with good schools
             * good transportation (underground)
 
If you have any information about the range of rent and what areas you 
would recommend (or NOT recommend), this would be appreciated. Also, if 
you know good sources of information (books, government statistics, 
brokers, ...you name it) this would also be helpful.

Please e-mail me directly. I will post a summary to the newsgroup.

Leif Sjoblom
PSJOBLOM@GSB-YEN.STANFORD.EDU
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Channel Islands/Nazis
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:45:02 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1993Jan8.001325.23995@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>
>The BBC world Service had an item on the news yesterday (Thurs) about
>newspaper reports on material which had just come out on the cooperation
>between the local elite in Jersey and Guernsey in the Nazi roundup of JEws
>when the Channel Islands were occupied during WWII. Unfortunately, I only
>picked up the last 2/3 of the report, and I didn't catch the name of the
>newspaper which printed the story. Please would someone post more details.


This story has been in all the newspapers.

I read that the CI authorities gave the names and addresses of five
Jewish women, three of whom died in Auschwitz to the Germans when
asked. I don't know what happened to the other two women.

Ther general drift of the stories has been the suggestion that the
British would have behaved no better than say, the French, if the
Germans had invaded, which counteracts the generally held belief that we
would have.

M

-- 
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Q: Last song played on Radio Luxemburg ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:51:28 GMT
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark

This is probably the wrong group, but I could not find
any better ...

It was a sad day when Radio Luxemburg closed down on December 30
1992. I listened to the last show which was aired on the old
208-frequency (I have no cable !) - but I did not recognize the
last song that they played, so
  What was the last song (Title, artist) played on Luxemburg ?
  (December 30, 1992, approx. 11.57 p.m. GMT)

E-mail is preferred and thanks in advance.

Finn M. Jensen
Department of Building Technology and Structural Engineering
Aalborg University     :    Phone: +45 98 15 85 22, Ext. 6649
Sohngaardsholmsvej 57  :    Fax: +45 98 14 82 43
DK-9000 Aalborg        :    E-mail: i6finn@aud.auc.dk
Denmark, Europe       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans)
Subject: VNS: Thu  7-Jan-1993
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:24:51 GMT


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    Here is the News at 07:00 GMT on Thursday 7-January-1993
    --------------------------------------------------------

    UK News
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    The oil from the stricken tanker on the southern tip of the Shetland
    Isles is now spreading up the west coast. The tanker has not yet broken
    up but further bad weather is threatening any cleanup operations.

    The Foreign Secretary is to meet the President of Argentina today and
    the question of soveignty of the Falkland Islands is expected to be
    raised. Argentina has indicated that it would like to take control of
    the islands by the year 2000 but Britain has said this is "unrealistic".

    The Government is to invite industry to become involved in an anti-crime
    campaign. They are also to increase the number of anti-crime projects in
    the big cities.

    Sales of new cars are reported to have risen by 30% last month.

    European News
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    The adjurnment of the Bosnian peace talks on Tuesday was for the
    observance of the Orthodox Christmas which was yesterday.

    World News
    ----------

    The USA, Britain and France have given Iraq a 2-day deadline to reverse
    its military buildup in southern Iraq.

    The dancer, Rudolph Nureyev, died yesterday in Paris aged 54. He had
    been suffering from AIDS.

    The jazz trumpeter, Dizzy Gillespie, died yesterday aged 74.


    {News courtesy of the BBC}

    Local News
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    There was an armed raid on Mortimer Post Office yesterday when some
    1,500 pounds was stolen. In the resultant 3 hour car chase across
    Berkshire, shots were fired at the police and an inspector was hurt. An
    associated report said that since the opening of the blue channel at
    customs, more weapons were being brought into the country from France
    where they are more freely available.

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    A misty start, clearing later but rain spreading east by the evening.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell)
Subject: Re: Celsius <--> Fahrenheit (was Re: British Imperial...)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:04:37 GMT

From a dark corner of my mind crawls the following
'fact', probably said by some well-meaning teacher:

0 deg.F  freezing point of saline -  coldest at that time
1000 deg. F  boiling point of sulphur - hottest known at
               that time

Henry Sewell    my opinion, not my employer's
From: cabr53@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("R.A.McPheat")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Celsius <--> Fahrenheit
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:37:37 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>R.A.McPheat (cabr53@ccsun.strath.ac.uk) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1993Jan6.151444.14612@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>> >
>> >Note that scientists don't use Celsius either - they use Kelvin, whose 
>> 
>> Try telling that to a meteorologist
>Is meteorology a science?

Yes (almost tempted to crosspost to sci.geo.meteorology)
>
>> 
>>>degrees just happen to be the same size, but which is measured from Absolute
>> ^^^^^^^
>> The unit of temperature is Kelvin, not degrees Kelvin
>Picky picky.....
>
>> 
>>>Zero.  You could just as easily have Fahrenheit sized degrees on an absolute
>> >scale.
>> 
>> But to have Fahrenheit sized degrees on an absolute scale you have to know
>> what size a Fahrenheit degree is. One hundredth of the difference between
>> the temperature of freezing saline and that of someone with a slight fever
>> is not a good definition.
>
>Cobblers.  1/180th of the difference between freezing and boiling water is 
>just fine.
>

The freezing/boiling points of water are pressure dependant. Thats why the
temperature of the triple point of water (and absolute zero) are used for
the definition of the kelvin.

Robert
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:18524 alt.usage.english:10469
From: Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:18:55
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Distribution: alt
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In-reply-to: misrael@csi.uottawa.ca's message of Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:30:15 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.233015.28726@csi.uottawa.ca>
misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:

   "This cup is quite full" means "This cup is 
   completely full" on both sides of the Atlantic.

Depends where you put the emphasis, but if I were to say it it'd
probably mean `nearly full'.
							Chris

--

           on sighting mathematicians it should unhook the algebra from their
           minds and replace it with with poetry; on sighting poets it should
               unhook poetry from their minds and replace it with algebra
From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truly English?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:39:40 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

>In article <C0J116.Gys@newcastle.ac.uk> Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk
>	(Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>>
>>       Such turns of phrase have always tended to be associated with
>>and used by the monarchy (particularly the reigning monarch). Hence it
>>is often described as "the Royal 'We'".
>>
>>       Pompous? Absolutely. However, from a personal point of view, I
>>always thought that it was just a pure and simple case of dear old
>>Battie Maggie entertaining power-crazed delusions of grandeur.
>>
>This is how it was reported at the time, and a lot of pompous
>middle-class trendy lefties had a great deal of fun saying that
>this was a sign of her delusions of grandure. However, the use
>of plural forms for the first person singular can be a feature
>of working class speech, and I would guess it was really
>another case of an emotional Mrs.T slipping into her native
>Lincolnshire.

	Now, now Matthew. I sincerely hope that you're not trying to
imply (albeit mildly) that I'm a "pompous middle-class trendy leftie".

	If I was to be generous, I'd be prepared to admit to the
occasional bout of being a little pompous, however I'm only ever called
middle-class by people who don't know me very well and absolutely
no-one would describe me as being trendy or a leftie. At least, not
without the most incredible, not to say inaccurate, stretch of their
imagination.

	I stand by what I said - to my view, Maggie (in the latter
years of her 'reign') seemed to be showing increasing signs of mild
megalomania and delusions of grandeur. Also, she appeared to be trying
to turn her Cabinet into a bunch of toadying, little 'Yes-men'. (I
leave the issue of her degree of success in that endeavour as a
suitable topic for others to discuss, if they so wish.)

			TTFN,
				Ade.

		\----------------------------------------/
		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
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From: ekjc13@castle.ed.ac.uk (N McLennan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Q: Last song played on Radio Luxemburg ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:50:48 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1993Jan5.223116.16492@cc.uow.edu.au> jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
>ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>
>
>Is Radio Luxembourg really off the air!!!
>
>This went completely unnoticed by most of us expats down under.
>
>I guess 24 hour BBC R1 and UK based commercial FM music stations killed
>it in the end.
>

No BBC R1 did NOT kill it. Atlantic 252 ? "killed it", Both Luxembourg
and Atlantic 252 are owned by the same people, so to cut costs they axed
the station with the more inferior technology.

Neil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: degrees-grades
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:38:00 GMT

In article <C0qIxM.3q9@newcastle.ac.uk>, Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan11.114800.16631@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
|> >
|> > As it happens I got my info from a 2-page
|> >investigation of this whole question in (I think) the Independent about
|> >a month aog, where they talked to an external examiner (whose own university
|> >was Warwick).
|> >
|> Ah, common knowledge translates to one external talking to a paper who's
|> identity you are not sure of. Nice to know the evidence is so damning.

I'm disappointed too, I thought it would be at least a Sun exclusive.  That
would possibly make it 'common knowledge' although of equally dubious
credibility as some story run in a low circulation fogey newspaper.

Alasdair hasn't heard that good news doesn't sell.  Headlines such as "Poly
degrees as good as any other, states DES" won't whereas "Poly degrees used
as Uni. bog roll, reveals Warwick janitor" will.

Poly or Oxbridge degree, they will all be viewed with disdain in other
European countries. "What ? you're 21 and spent 3 years at Uni, call that
an education, ho ho ho ?"

The Warwick examiner who applies different criteria when judging work produced
at Polytechnics should, by his own evidence, be sacked.

David.
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:56:34 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1993Jan6.100733.7419@clts1.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, 
>
>It was Tomorrow's World, when it was Really Tomorrow's World, 
>with Admiral Raymond Grand Prix Baxter and his silk cravat.

I thought he was a fly boy, wasn't he a squadron leader. Hence the involvement
with all the air shows.

 Trev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: fs_reise@rcsw21.rcvie.at (Christian Reiser)
Subject: Ticket service for Starlight Express
Organization: Alcatel-ELIN RC, Vienna, Austria
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:59:22 GMT

Hi All,
	please do not flame me, if this is the wrong newsgroop, since
I do not subscribe it, but point me to the right one.

I am looking for a telephone number, where I can order tickets
for Starlight Express, currently played in London, using my credit card.

If anyone knows such a number, please answer by e-mail.
Thanks in advance

Greetings from Vienna/Austria
CR
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: Truly English?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:32:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.113815.16952@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>>	Such turns of phrase have always tended to be associated with
>>and used by the monarchy (particularly the reigning monarch). Hence it
>>is often described as "the Royal 'We'".
>
>When I were a lad, I was taught that there were three circumstances when it
>was formally proper to call oneself "we".  The monarch, a newspaper editor,
>and... I forget.  Anyone know the third?
>
>The idea was that this person in some sense embodies a plurality.

The third is a bishop:  hence "Royal, editorial or episcopal WE"

as in "Therefore we, Terence, by the Grace of God Bishop of Toronto, ..."

-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Granary bread
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:03:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <jhill-301292124334@macg12.bucknell.edu>, jhill@bucknell.edu (Jackson Hill) writes:
> I am looking for recipes for granary-type breads, preferably oaty or wheaty
> in character, with a lot of body and texture.  I remember while living in
> Oxford in the 1970s being able to buy a wonderful commercially-made bread
> called Nutty Cob.  This is the kind of bread I have in mind.  If anyone is
> willing to share their recipes with me, please post here at

Nash's best? To make Granary(R) bread, which is unsurpassed as far as ordinary
baker's bread goes you need Granary(R) flour, which I suspect is only available
in the UK. You could probably manufacture a fair substitute: it's basically
wholemeal flour with grains of malted barley added. Treat as ordinary flour.
(Add yeast, fat, salt and lukewarm water; knead; rise; knock back; prove; bake;
enjoy.)

BTW, the (R) is the equivalent of a (TM).
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:44:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.071306.203@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>In article <Dec28.193108.50491@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hugh@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Hugh Graham) writes:
>>"A Pint's A Pound the Whole World Round"
>
>I thought it was
>
>       A Pint's a Pound, the Earth is flat.

	Yes, but what happens if your pint is flat?

	Alec

If these are my organization's opinions, I'd be extremely surprised.
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<Phone (614)-447-3600 ext. 3992 + alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife-beater, and >
<                               + even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't   >
<Unsolicited Mail:              + drive there's something wrong with him.     >
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From: kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Add an R (was Bancusi's Bird - where?)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:37:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.pathology.washington.edu

Brancusi that is, unless I'm off somewhere else
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Linguistic expert = an Englishman !
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd


In article <1993Jan12.150505.1@aud2.aud.auc.dk>, i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk writes:
>
>I'm sorry to bother you with this, but I need advice from an 
>expert (= an Englishman). I am writing a report and have 
>two questions:
>
>1)  A section at the end is called a) "Appendix" or 
>    b) Annex ?
>
>2)  Is it called a) a "program" or b) a "programme"  ?
>    (As in computer program/programme)
>
>I would use 1-a and 2-a but a local "expert" says that in
>English one would write 1-b and 2-b.
>Maybe I am reading too few British papers !
>
>Please E-mail and thanks in advance ...

  And spoil all the fun that this could be... hardly!

  Personally, I'd say that an annex is a bit added onto a building
and use programme to describe a TV programme, so I'd agree with 1-a
and 2-a but what do I know, I'm a Welshman... 

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From: steven@cwi.nl (Steven Pemberton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Celsius <--> Fahrenheit (was Re: British Imperial...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:48:57 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1993Jan6.151444.14612@pixel.kodak.com>
dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
> If anything, Celsius is the weird scale, from the human point of view.  If
> you want to describe the weather it means using negative numbers.

At exactly the moment when negative numbers are useful! I remember in
the old days of fahrenheit the weatherperson saying things like
'Expect a degree or two of frost tonight', in other words: the
temperature will be two degrees under freezing tonight.  This is just
one of the many handy aspects of celsius.

The only unfortunate aspect of celsius is that I expect most
fahrenheit thermostats are set at 70 degrees, and most celsius at 20
degrees, thus contributing to global warming as more people switch
from F to C (:-)). (I set mine at 19 by the way).

Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl
"Let us go then you and I/while the night is laid out against the sky/like a
					smear of mustard on an old pork pie"
Nice poem Tom. I have ideas for changes though, why not come over? - Ezra