HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.141507.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>BTW, I don't like Thomas, and I think it's a disgrace that
>he (along with 7 others) upheld beatings of prisoners in jail, along
>with other heinous descisions.  

Thomas did not uphold "beatings of prisoners in jail."  The vote was
a decision that it was not a Constitutional violation by the government
when its employees engage in unreasonable beatings -- the prisoner, I
believe still has a cause of action against the guards who beat him,
just not a Constitutional one.  Not optimal, to be sure, but hardly
in support of beating prisoners.  Read the opinions rather than the
propaganda regarding the opinions.  (I don't believe seven others
voted with Thomas either -- I thought he was on a losing 7-2 side.)
-- 
Ted Frank          + "I would think that if God were on Arafat's side, the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  plane wouldn't have crashed in the first place."
U o' C Law Skool   +  
Chi, IL 60637      +  					--  Daniel Frank
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: RESOURCE: Vegetarianism,Animal Rights,Ecology,World Hunger,Rainforests
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:34:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism

As quoted from <1992Apr6.181010.14002@ccu.umanitoba.ca> by dolin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (jonathan dolin):

> I offer this article as proof that this newsgroup should go closed-mailing
> list. There are hundreds of newsgroups on the net, and yet, somehow,
> asshole provocateurs like this cannot resist invading and despoiling
> newsgroups not intended for them.

It certainly had the desired effect.  I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)



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From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS *NOT* being denied "free speech"
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:15:54 GMT
	<1992Apr12.210003.21826@anomaly.sbs.com> <29EB0920.44B3@tct.com>
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Chip Salzenberg writes:
>According to mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan):
>>USENET is hardly "uncensored".
>
>Of course it is.  It's the least censored medium in the world.

Actually, if anyone _was_ censoring it, i'd be interested to hear
how he/she/they accomplished it.  USENET has no central authority,
no central site through which all posts must pass.  It also
covers gobs and gobs of sites in many countries.  (Aren't those
nice exact statistics?  I thought so too.)  In order to be censored,
there would have to be a censor on duty at every site twenty-four
hours a day, all co-operating to make sure the rules were inforced --
no mean feat.

>>You don't see many people posting globs of informational messages from
>>the Buchanan or Bush campaigns.

That would seem to be because no one is writing such posts.  If you feel
there's a need for them, then write them.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.133218.21298@NCoast.ORG> cmort@NCoast.ORG  
(Christopher Morton) writes:
> As quoted from <1992Apr14.024246.23835@wam.umd.edu> by  
spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi):
> > "Lo yisa goy el goy cherev, lo yilmedu od milchama.......until then,  
keep  
> > the Galil oiled and loaded..............."
> 
> Being a 2nd Amendment supporter, I don't worry too much about such  
products of
> inbreeding.  They can speak as much as they like as long as they don't  
violate
> the law.  My family has a long history of being willing to avoid  
lynching 
> through the use of firearms.  I guess it's the Apache blood.... :)
> 
> PS - Do you belong to JPFO?  You should consider joining if you don't.   
They
> run some killer ads against folks like Metzenbaum who'd like to remove  
the 
> ability of Blacks and Jews (who can't afford bodyguards like him) to  
resist
> violent attacks.
> 
Re: joining the JPFO
Not bloody likely. If I recall correctly. Mordechai Levy, the wacko in  
charge of the JDO (the JDL wasn't militant enough?) supports the JFPO.
This is the guy who shot a process serves and a cabbie, and MISSED the  
guys he claims was coming after him. All this from a range of about 50
feet. Tells ya something about the level of training of the JFPO.
IN any event, I support the 2nd Amendment as well, and my sig should be  
read in that context. That anyone in A WELL ARMED MILITIA should be able  
to bear guns, not every wacko off the street with a couple of dollars and  
a grudge. So Metzenbaum voted for the restriction of sales of Saturday  
Night Specials? Cool. I'd vote for
him in a second. 

PS I voted FOR the gun ban in Maryland.


shalom,

lev

"Lo yisa goy el goy cherev, lo yilmedu od milchama.......until then, keep  
the Galil oiled and loaded..................."


 
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From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS *NOT* being denied "free speech"
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:08:12 GMT
Organization: FYL, Seattle, WA

In article <1992Apr12.210003.21826@anomaly.sbs.com> mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>USENET is hardly "uncensored". You don't see many people posting globs
>of informational messages from the Buchanan or Bush campaigns. 

That's because people for Buchanan don't know how to write and Bush's
record as "the education president" shows that he doesn't want his
supporters to learn to read.

>If you depend solely on TV, radio, or mainstream newspapers, then that
>is *your* ignorance. You think that the state now has some responsibility
>to force people to be aware of every candidate's platform. What next?

How about a requirement that the mass media that makes money off of
"my" airwaves (radio and TV stations) be required to make a certain
amount of time available each day for each candidate to present his
case. People wouldn't have to watch it/listen to it, but the
information would be available on an equal basis.

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E-mail: fyl@cpac.washington.edu or fyl@fylz.wa.com
From: eric@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Eric Scott Kuhnen)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:50:23 GMT

I find Pete Faust's endorsement of the $50,000.00 Challenge a smashing case
of hypocrisy, but not for the same reasons as mentioned by others (no real
name, address, etc.).  It is the offering of money itself to which I wish to
draw your collective attention.  In the annals of History, few activities
have received such overwhelming disapproval as that of selling truthful
information for mere monetary remuneration.  And without exception, such
a transaction has brought neither party to a clearer understanding of the
facts at hand.

What do we see here?  If Mr. Faust is to be believed, a presentment of
credible evidence supporting the testimony of Holocaust victims will net the
presenter $50,000.00.  The implication is that Mr. Faust might change his
opinions should such evidence arise.  But when, throughout History, has
credible evidence ever needed the assistance of money to bring it out in
the open?  When ever have those who sponsor such schemes ever examined the
evidence in an objective fashion?  If Mr. Faust is at all honorable, he would
back away from his endorsement of this Challenge as have many others.

"Q"


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From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:18:22 GMT
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

"Pete Faust" expectorates:
>He, she or they offering the $50,000 could, I believe, safely
>increase the amount to $1,000,000 or $1,000,000,000 and still
>not risk a dime.

Yes, because no one who posts this inane offer ever puts the NAME
of the person or group offering it on there.  It's amazing how covering
your tracks keeps people from finding you.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Socialism Security Rides Again
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:06:32 GMT

In article <2718@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, mikeq@saab.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
} In article <rdippold.702582849@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
} >On the other hand, good news on the War on Rights.  The supreme court
} >threw out the case against the farmer who was entrapped by the
} >government into a child pornography rap.
}  
}  And guess who voted to uphold the case. Yup, ol' Long Dong Thomas
}  hisself.

Not true.  Thomas was one of the justices who voted to throw out the case.
--
David Olson ...!att!druwa!dlo
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville
From: ublackma@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Cory Blackman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Ralph Winston -- I read this post and...
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:21:50 GMT

I at least had to read it once, it seems it is not too respected.  It
does not seem to have the keyboard drool anticipated (I guess I'm used
to more from religious soap box shouters).  It seems that the facts
that are being presented about who runs the Media are blurring management
with commercial/artistic content.  Who ever said Media was NOT biased, that
is why you get outside more often, i.e. to SEE the world (I'm not talking
about going over to your friends to watch T.V.), travel, MEET people!, 
listen to them, share yourself, be yourself, etc., etc., (drool).

Ok, fuel to the fire (NO FLAMES!!!!!), I have met, and have become aquainted
a few people who hapen to be jewish (is that PC?) and have talked about, 
though sometimes heatedly, about how eleitist groups cause friction.  Resent-
ment was a major friction.  Any group taking significant power will cause a
problem or two, but that is ok because we can choose to stop them in various
ways IF we CARE to and we are not APATHETIC.  It is just that most violence
is NOT wanted, i.e. Take my $ not my life, I can always get my bread elsewhere.

To the point, just because a group that has obliously survived thousands of
years of religeous existance, and possibly compiled a list of historic 
sufferings durning that time feels compelled to stay together even in this
society, a society that let all sorts of groups exist, does not mean they seek to control this society.  These executives may go to the same place x times a
year, but do they really as humans work as one?  Many peoples, one thought?
Do the have a history of trying to run the Media?, the World?  Are they 
VIOLENT?  Do they wish to cause suffering?  Do they succeed in causing this
suffering? (Arguably, the Media today made me suffer...). Are they a "We are
better than thou group"? (No hints here, Pots calling the Kettles black?).

Would we trade this supposid (sp?) group controlling the Media for a mixed
batch of competent peoples? (employment quotas?) of another group? (White
Supreamist? (again sp.)) .  Well thanks for the research, it was more of 
intrest than T.V. itself today, but the conclusions for me are different.

Core'
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: INFO: US-Made Pollution Killing Mexican Infants
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:46:39 GMT

pds@analog.ingr.com (Peter Schachte) writes:

>Equally unfortunately, large corporations that employ a large proportion
>of local populations (e.g., GM), may set an unnaturally low wage, and workers
>will have little choice but to accept it.

Yeah, GM employs the local sheriffs too, sent out each day to round up those
lazy workers and make sure they get to the plant on time to collect their
low wage.... How else can they force those workers to go make those cars?

MD
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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.motss,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <dragon.702962857@camelot>, dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.231614.17905@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) writes:
>>**                    THE  KKK  ARE  COMING  TO CINCINNATI                 **
>>**   - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a    **
>>**         counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be        **
>>**         confrontational but not violent.                                **
>OK... whatever suits you.  It could very easily turn violent, though.
>
>>**   - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and def-   **
>>**         eat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.                  **
>Sorry, you lose me here.  I may, and in fact *do*, disagree with what
>the KKK has to say.  However, they have a right to say it.  The First
>Amendment applies to them, too.

The first Amendment applies to the counter-protestors as well.

>*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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From: lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: WILL THE GVT IMPLANT OUR CHILDREN??
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:07:15 GMT

Perhaps...but I figure an *empowered populace* is a dangerous populace!
Upper case comments are mine!
Samurai_Writer



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Article 93648 of talk.politics.misc:
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Socialism Security Rides Again
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:50:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.702859812
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

lae@unislc.uucp (Leslie Evans) writes:
>In article <rdippold.702582849@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>The things the newspaper brings.  A heroin addict was arrested with a
>>bag of about $5000 in cash.  She claimed the police couldn't
>>confisticate it because it wasn't drug money, it was what was left of
>>a lump-sum $8000 check from Social Security.
>>
>>The police checked, and sure enough.  If you are an acoholic or a drug
>>addict, Social Security classifies you as "disabled" and will support
>>your drug habit to the tune of $625 dollars a month.
>>

>Hmmm, my mother is one of those "decrepit old people" you spoke about,
>and she only receives a little over $400, and she worked almost 50
>years of her life.  She should have stayed home and been an alkie
>instead.

Right.  See, if she made more than the druggies, that would encourage
people to work, and further sustain the evil capitalist system.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
From: jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:15:06 GMT

In article <4605@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>, jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>> } Anyone for an "Impeach Thomas" movement?
>> Why?  He voted to throw the case out.
> 
> Impeach him anyway.
> --
Ya know, the guy is a fucking punk, but no more so than Scalia, et al.  Hell,
Rehnquist, during the 60s, would go and taunt black who were registering to
vote.  It scares me that this black man is being attacked with a derision that
is unparalleled vis-a-vis other justices, especially when they are at least
as bad.  This same kind of thing occurred at the Reproductive Rights march
last week.  I saw a sign that said "Clarence Thomas, Keep your Horny hands
of Roe v. Wade."  Obviously, this is racist to the exten that it brings up
the myth about wild black male sexuality that was used to justify
lynchings.  BTW, I don't like Thomas, and I think it's a disgrace that
he (along with 7 others) upheld beatings of prisoners in jail, along
with other heinous descisions.  But, I ground my analysis in the recognition
of how tokenism, co-optation, and division function in an oppressive society.

-- 

Jason

   "Uhhh...Uhhh..Uhhh..I...Uhhh...Would...Uhhh...like to recognize...uuhhh...
    speaking of director's....uuh...John Singleton and Matty Rich...(...)people
    who bring new lifeblood to this industry."
       ---Jonathon Demme, stammering to a damn good point at the Oscar's.
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From: reus@klein.euromath.dk (Jens Peter Reus Christensen)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:22:41 GMT
Organization: University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Math.

In article <DF4NiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:

		     SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE

	Germans and we of German descent are sons and daughters
   of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Wagner, Haydn,
   Handel, Humperdinck, Johann and Richard Strauss, Berg,
   Webern, Hindemith, Schnittke, Goethe, Schiller, Kant, Hegel,
   Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, ad infinitum.  We have not gassed (a
   new dimension in inhumanity) and do not gas people...any
   people.  Those who knowingly claim we did, knowing we did not
   (THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS), are being ensnared by THE UNTIRING
   ARM OF HISTORY.

		       IT'S THAT SIMPLE

   -.-
   **********
Good oldfashioned German Nationalism with a healthy dose of Extremist
antisemitism to explain all painful defeats.

IT' THAT SIMPLE !!!

Dont you think a Dane can read German ?? Apparently you does not know
the writings of figures quoted above such as Wagner !

Wish I could send you a sermon! You most certainly need to repend!

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:52:10 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis) writes:
>In article <rdippold.703147320@cancun>
>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>> |> It was an 8-1 split, with Thomas in lone dissent. 
>>  
>> Apparently Thomas should just vote any damned way he pleases on the
>> issue, because people are going to go with whatever makes them the
>> most pissed off anyhow.  It was 7-2, with Scalia, hence the political
>> cartoons showing him as Scalia's lackey, etc.  And he did vote against
>> the child pornography conviction of the farmer in the government
>> entrapment operation.    But not in the lovely fairly land of UseNet...

>Thank you for the correction.  I read about two cases on the same day:
>the 8th amendment case and another case in which Thomas dissented in an
>8-1 split.  I got them confused.

>However, I resent your implication that my error in this matter was
>somehow intentional or maliciously motivated.  Grow up.

No, it's not an implication that it was intentional or malicious.
It's an implication that people are going to automatically assume that
Thomas did the worst possible thing and attack him for it until the
actual facts come out.
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From: KENH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ken Hudson)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:46:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: YaleVM.167C3CFD6.KENH
Organization: Yale University

In article <2718@master.CNA.TEK.COM>
mikeq@saab.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
 
>
> And guess who voted to uphold the case. Yup, ol' Long Dong Thomas
> hisself. If I remember right, during his confirmation hearings, didn't
> the dongman refuse to answer questions about HIS interest in porn
> because, and I quote: ``What I do behind the doors of my home is
> no one's business but my own.''?
>
 
Yeah...can you believe the integrity of this one!!!!  He votes to
uphold a case that CLEARLY should not have been upheld only to APPEAR
to the world that he is anti-pornography, etc...The guy is willing to
compromis the interpretation of the Constitution in order to
continue to fight any lingering, unflattering perceptions created by his
confirmation hearings...Hey, Clarence, wake up.  The confirmation is over
and your manipulations now affect the future of this country and millions
of Americans.  Drop the bullshit, grow up, and conduct yourself in a
manner appropriate to a member of the highest court in the country.
 
Anyone for an "Impeach Thomas" movement?
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