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From: pozderk@ecf.toronto.edu (POZDERKA STEVE JOSEPH)
Subject: Whistler apres-ski (questions)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:07:05 GMT

  Hello, everyone.  I am going to be skiing at Whistler/Blackcomb over
the New Years week for the first time.  I am wondering what the bars are like
there as well as the restaurants.  I want to reserve tickets for a New Years
party, because by the time I get there, they will probably be sold out. I'm sure
that Whistler has many good bars but I would like to know if there is any
particular party spot that stands out, especially at New Years!

Any information would be appreciated. Thanks


                                    Steve

                                (pozderk@ecf.toronto.edu)
Subject: snowfall
Distribution: world
Organization: Jeffrey Holdgate Associates
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:03:34 +0000

Any snow in the US yet ?
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: more on Dynastar Verticals: popular skis!
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:07:38 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Nov19.003509.3236@trl.oz.au>, harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
> Oh yeah, the other favourite Warren Miller quote was:
> 
> 	If everybody skiid, there would be no wars.
> 
> Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

  Heh. The body count would probably be the same though.

		Mike, thinking of Miller's scenes of
		      beginner lifts where the lift
		      attendants have pitchforks (or
		      at least the *should* have :-)
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Pittsburgh
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:16:37 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, er29+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric M. Rehder) wrote:

>I'm living in Pittsburgh, and I'm planning to go skiing.  The only place
>I've heard of near Pittsburgh is Seven Springs.  Can anyone(everyone)
>tell me what else is near by.  I'm looking for a mountaing with good
>Black Diamond and Double Diamonds.  I will be skiing on a weekday in
>December.  

Blue Knob is near the Bedford exit of the Turnpike. Extrovert is an honest
double black---OK, OK--it'd be a single black at Snowbird. The area has
1050' drop and Extrovert's about 800'.  Bad news...it's unlikely to be
open in December. Best time for Extrovert starts in Feb till closing in
March. The area's pretty conservative about opening it because they usually
see a fair number of shoulder injuries (QUESTION: Are shoulder injuries
the most common injury on steep bumps?).

How steep is Extrovert?  I'm not sure, but it gives you an honest workout
for western double diamonds. A friend once told me that it's about the
same as Killington's Outer Limits.

2nd choices:  If Laurel Mt. near Pitt is open this year, there's a fairly
steep run with a double fall line that goes for 400-600' drop. Not bad.

WISP (MD) may have THE FACE open by Dec. Almost as steep as Extrovert.

That's about it until you get into Snowshoe, WVA.  I have heard that Whitetail
in PA has steep terrain, but somehow I doubt it. 

Of course, one's perception
of steepness is also a function of snow surface quality. I've been on low
blues which were pure ice and certainly white-knuckes skiing...You get
this sort of day in the mid-Atlantic until late Feb-early March. 

Good luck,

Jeff Hudgens
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:58:41 -0500 
From: Matias Brecher <mb96+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ski stuff 4sale

   I have a pair of 185 Elans omni xtx 65 lite.  They are great
intermediate level performance skis.  They have beautiful bottoms and
have just been waxed
and sharpened.  They are equiped with Geze G50 sport bindings.  I also
have 48 inch alluminum Hart poles and a pair of comfortable rear entry
boots; size 9 or 10.  I am asking only $225 for the whole deal or $175
for the skis and bindings.  Call Matias at x4805(Carnegie Mellon
University campus extension) or Email me.  
 

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Diatribe
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:36:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.195453.4445@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com
(Grant Robinson) writes:
>[diatribe alert]
>Whatever happened to doing things for fun?  Why has society become obsessed
>with numbers?  Why should you care whether you or your friend skied more
>vertical?  
>[End of Diatribe]

Hey nice diatribe!
Sounds like my kind a skier......
Now if we just grab Baker.....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  "Some are mathematicians, and some are carpenters's wives...." -- Dylan
  "$e sup {pi i} -1 = 0$" is a most curious equation.  -- R.P. Feynman
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:31:48 GMT
 <1992Nov16.190342.234@nas.nasa.gov> 
 <1992Nov16.204556.29374@news.cs.brandeis.edu>  
 <1992Nov18.023520.6376@nas.nasa.gov>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Eugene,

I don't know if you have noticed, but there has been a large influx or
Asian skiers in the US in the past few, 3-4, years.  They have been
primarily of Japanese descent and on the wealthy side.  I was at Okemo
in Ludlow, VT this past weekend and I saw some Japanese "tourist
skiers" flailing on the slopes.  I think that we might begin to see
more Asians on the slopes.  OFten I think it is the wealthy young
Japanese who have money to burn, and want to see and ski America. 
Skiing in Japan is, for lack of a better word, incredible.  Lines like
you would not believe for runs that should not be called a run.  Of
course the northernmost island, Hokkaido, has good snow and I think may
be hosting a future Olymics, but skiing on the mainland is crazy.

just my $.02

Gen
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From: c60a-dq@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Benjamin Hsu)
Subject: wanted: bindings
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:42:49 GMT


I have a friend who is a beginner and need a pair of old binding 
for around $30 to $40.  I know that's too little money to pay
for bindings, but as long as they work, that'll be fine.  He
won't know the differnce between $200 and $30 bindings.

thanks
From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.sport.snowboarding
Subject: Need advice on insert drilling for snowboard(92 Burton)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:07:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Objective:  I want to increase my width stance.  I'm 6'1", 180 lbs and do
about 70% freeriding/freestyling, and 30% pipe.

Problem:    I have a 92 Burton Air 6.1, with predrilled inserts at a stance
width of 44 cm (17.32 inches).

Questions (LOTS!!!)

- I'm thinking a stance width of around 20" would be more suitable for my
height/weight and the type of riding I do.  Can anyone help me with suggesting
a stance width?  Would an increase from 17.3" to 19-22" make that much
a difference?  I feel a wider width might help me with my grabs, airs (landing)
pipe moves.  Of course, would my carving be affected much?

- A local surf shop will work with me on doing the drilling/inserting.
Except right now I'm kinda clueless how it would be done.  It seems we would
drill straight through the deck, core, and base.  Then emplant a metal insert
into the hole. How is the insert held in (epoxy?)  What is done on the base
side (is it covered with epoxy, then ptex?)

- I assume we would make three new holes per binding.  To get a centered
stance both bindings would be redrilled.  Would there be any merit in just
moving one binding up/back, and which one?

- The BIGGIES.  Has anyone done this, or know anyone who has?  Can any damage
result from this process (immediately or over time?)  And finally, do you
guys think it would be worth it???

                                        Thanx!
                                                Derek


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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Status of Arms survey
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:13:23 GMT

At this time: I have three additional affirmative responses.
Two of these responses have the authority (and do) carry firearms on
US Alpine ski slopes.  With the previous posts this makes 10 total people
who answered in the affirmative.  The current break down:
	4: X-C
	3: to lockers or car
	3: on slope
This without querying rec.guns or talk.politics.guns.
I would like to thank the honesty of those individuals who came forth
via email.  No email was retained.  Additional hands will be counted
by email (one respondent expressed reservations during the first survey
and hence did not respond two years ago, it's just a hand count).
While I wonder if we are not setting up a situation like the 1960 missile
gap, these people were frank about their information.  I won't speculate
at this time regarding trends, but it deserves to be watched.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 19:28:05 CET
From: <ACROWSON@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject:    Another "where to ski in US" request

I'm hoping the wisdom of the net can help us decide where to go! I and a
friend are planning to spend the first two weeks of February skiing in
America. Trouble is, that's a little vague. We've done what research we
can from brochures, guides, the net etc., and come up with a short list
of resorts, but can't agree on how to shorten it any further. Any advice
or tips would be welcome. Neither of us has skied oustide Europe before.

The general idea is to spend a week in each of two resorts/areas. One of
them is almost certainly Jackson Hole. The "short" list for the other is
like this (after two hours of elimination last night):

a) somewhere in Utah - probably Snowbird or Alta? (my best bet)
b) Taos
c) Telluride
d) One or more of Aspen, Vail, Summit County (his best bet, I think)

We haven't managed to agree to eliminate any of these. We're both good
skiers, but not experts (give us time!), and enjoy doing things we find
harder more than looking good on easy runs. The biggest attraction of
US skiing for us is good powder snow (not too common in Europe these
days -- I hope the fame of Rockies snow isn't all hype). We don't care
about beautifully groomed trails or extensive nightlife. Slightly
worried by (i) expecting rather smaller ski areas than we're used to,
and (ii) tales of zealous policing to stop us doing things like skiing
fast or skiing off the piste ...err, trail (practising the language).
Don't like lift lines (who does?), but at least one of us (the other
one) is not really into hiking to get to the skiing. Will probably
think about taking a few lessons.

Any informed advice will be appreciated. I promise not to post your
secrets if you send me them by e-mail, but otherwise will summarise
if response/interest is enough to warrant it.

Thanks,

Anthony Crowson
acrowson@esoc.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: Re: Transplanted from Colorado to Cleveland...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:30:43 GMT

>> I agree, you poor, poor person (I should know I live in YUK - Columbus)
>> At least from Cleveland, there is lots more available than Columbus. There's
Seven Springs about an hour out of Pittsburgh (2-2.5 from Clevelend). About 
three different resorts in lower New York (Peek-n-Peak, Holiday Valley, and one
more - can't remember the name.) And several north of Detroit (Copper Mountain 
or the something like that - about 3hrs away.
>> Actually the Cleveland area gets a lot of snow lake effect and all) so if 
you get really desperate, Brandywine (just east of Cleveland - 45min) is pretty
decent for Ohio bumps.
>> DOC
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Getting from Reno to S. Lake Tahoe
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:34:15 GMT

In article <19NOV199211561063@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup)) writes:
>I will be in Reno the week of Jan 11.

Attending the AIAA, eh?
I'm talking to other netters (NASA) who plan to be there.
Yeah, I plan to be there one day (staying at the Tahoe home that weekend).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
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From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: Weather Channel Ski Reports!
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Electronics (Dazix)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:58:53 GMT

In article <11376@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
|> 
|> The Weather Channel targets its reports to the people it thinks are watching, 
|> based on the time of day, and also has the technical means to feed different 
|> reports to different regions of the country.  

Can you elaborate on how they have different feeds to different parts
of the country?  I thought they only had a single satellite feed.

On a related note, a few months ago somebody asked how the local forecasts
show up on the Weather Channel on local cable systems.  Does anybody know
the details of how this is accomplished?  Are the inserted forecasts set
up solely between the local cable outfit and the Weather Service?  Or
are there any satellite transmissions involved?


Dave Buehmann         Voice:    (303) 581-2318
Intergraph (Dazix)    Fax:      (303) 581-9972
5101 Spine Road       Internet: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Boulder, CO  80301
From: nicky@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nicholas Anthony Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: info on Lange mid 4.8 boots?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:07:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Does anyone know if Lange mid 4.8 boots are any good? I recently purchased a
pair and would like to know if I got my money's worth. They're last years
model, but are not used. I paid $189 for them. I'm an advanced skiier, but have
been out of practice for a while. The sales lady told me they were a great 
boot. Was she right?? I would appreciate any responses mailed to:
				nicky@wpi.wpi.edu

Thanx,
Nick Welch



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: clb@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (carl.l.blesch)
Subject: Schweitzer written up in Ski Country magazine
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:23:49 GMT
Keywords: Schweitzer Ski Country Idaho

I read a glowing review of Schweitzer Mountain in Ski Country
magazine. I hadn't heard of the place before, but the article
is getting me to seriously consider it. I'd be especially 
interested in how "kid friendly" it is. In other words, do
they have good all-day children's ski classes (my eight-year-old
daughter, for example needs to break out of her confident,
accomplished beginner's mode into some more intermediate challenges).
Is the terrain balanced between beginner, intermediate and expert?

I like the access by Amtrak, as I could get some pretty cheap
train fares and packages. The only downer is that the train
stops in Sandpoint, Idaho at 12:30 a.m. westbound and 1:30 a.m.
eastbound. Not the most convenient schedule.

Opinions welcome. Thanks.
Carl Blesch
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,ne.forsale
From: mvjma2@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (jenny.m.abar)
Subject: Season Ski Pass For Sale
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Highlands Mt., Tilton, NH
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:16:59 GMT


This will be my last try at selling this pass, after this I will
validate it for myself, so here goes:

I have available one certificate good for a season's pass (92-93)
to Highlands Mountain in Tilton/Northfield, NH.  Looking at the
only copy of their rates I have available at this time, which are
from 1991, their rates were:

ADVANCE SALE               LAST CHANCE SALE               REGULAR
Till 10/20/91               Till 11/17/91       
   $260                         $295                       $325

These were the adult prices for the 91/92 season.  My asking
price for an adult pass is $160, truly an outstanding buy for
someone who will be using this area this year.

For those of you who may not be familiar with Highlands, it is
similar in size and difficulty to Pat's Peak or King Ridge.  It
is the slopes you see lit up on the right side when you are
heading on I-93 south near the lake Winnipesaukee exit, exit 19.

Jenny Abar
From: dcoatney@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Doug Coatney)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:09:34 GMT
Subject: SOUTH LAKE TAHOE ACCOMMODATIONS
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

South Lake Tahoe Cabin for Rent by owner:

DETAILS:

  - 4 BR/2 bath cabin/home in South Lake Tahoe
  - Convienent to Heavenly, Kirkwood, Sierra Ski Ranch & Casinos
  - Located in Tahoe Paradise (rural as opposed to in town) 
  - Ammenities include:
           - 7 Person jacuzzi hot tub (outside on the deck of course)
           - 1 King, 2 Queen, 3 twin and sleeper sofa
           - Forced air heater (modern house built in 1973)
           - Wood burning stove for that "rustic" feel (wood included)
           - Fully equiped kitchen with microwave, oven, refrig, coffee
             maker etc..
           - 2 TV's, Cable, VCR, Stereo, CD player
           - Telephone for local calls or calling card calls.

RATES:
  Non Holiday
    - $100 a night or $600 for 7 nights 

  Holiday
    - $125 a night

DEPOSIT:
  $200 refundable security deposit.

Pictures of the property and accommodations are available through the net 
in GIF format -- just ask! I can also fax additional information to you.

For Additional Information and booking, please contact:

  Doug Coatney 
  dcoatney@hpmpea2.cup.hp.com
  408-447-1927 (work)
  408-865-1480 (home)

P.S. Thanksgiving, and Christmas thru New Year are already booked just in case
you're curious.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kflorek@mtholyoke.edu (Kim Florek)
Subject: Re: Skiing in No. Cal, Utah, Nevada (???)
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:26:28 GMT



How many people?  If there will be 6 people, I now of a place in Utah
that would be $100 per person for 5 nights of lodging.  However, if there
are only 2 of you it would be approx. $60/night/person.  Which is definately
out of your range.  The place sleeps up to 10 people.  Therefore, making it as
cheap as $60/person for 5 days.   Lift tickets run approx. $22-$35 depending
on where you ski. (there are 4 diferent places. all within 15-20 mins.)


The only thing I'm not sure of is the distance from where you are to Salt Lake
City, Utah.....????

Availability:  Jan. 2nd-Jan 9th is available.  If you are interested, please
email me for more information.

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From: ilevenso@scott.skidmore.edu (ian levenson)
Subject: Re: Gore-Tex vs. ULTREX
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:31:51 GMT

templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I've been buying Gore-Tex skiwear for years in the faith
> that it's the best waterproof/breatheable fabric on
> the market. Now I see that North Face (just to name one
> vendor) has gone to a different material called "ULTREX".
> Has anyone had experiences with both materials which they
> can share? Is Gore-Tex beginning to lose popularity?
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 	Fred L. Templin
> 	(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
I own a North Face suit as well as several items that are made of
Gore-Tex, and I have found that they both work equally well at
repelling water.  The difference between the two is that Gore-Tex is
an inner layer, while Ultrex is a coat that is sprayed on to the
fabric.  Some people tell me that Ultrex can rub off after extended
use, but I have not found this to be true.  The only other difference
may be in their breathability, but I have no information on this.
From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiamericard Woes
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:33:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.003305.11045
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


True enough.....SkiCardInternational will sell you a card for $20 at a
show, but try to get one through the mail?  $50.  Nuff said?



********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

********************************************************
From: azari@ksr.com (Nasser Azari)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Closest ski area to San Jose?
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:28:54 EST
Distribution: ca
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

Can someone give me info about cool places to visit in the DENVER srea.
I will spend the Thanksgiving holiday there.
Any places within a few hours drive from DENVER or a weekend trip?  
Any good eateries (preferably ethnic, not too expensive)?  
Any good ski resort? How to get discount lift tickets? A reasonable place to
stay? (not too expensive).
Any nice clubs?  
Any bands that would be playing there around that time?  

Please send me mail at azari@ksr.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: Steepness 
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.195849.10259@netcom.com> brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette) writes:
>Here's an [ even more] abridged version of a table appearing in the December 1992 Snow
>Country magazine which I found very interesting.  
>
>Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope
>
>The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
>Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees
>Saudan Couloir    Blackcomb, BC                87.5%              41   degrees
>Corbett's Couloir Jackson Hole, WY             80%                38.6 degrees
>(Typical Household Staircase)  --------------  63%  ------------  32.3 degrees

Interesting...I've only skied the Saudan, of that list, but I'd never thought of
it in terms of a staircase. Puts it into perspective.
Their is actually a "Staircase" single-black at Blackcomb, but I'm not sure if
it's precisely 32.3 degrees average B-).


-- 
Marc Sira               |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Your god drinks...P-P-Peach nectar!"
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