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From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Cannot change Icons
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:17:35 GMT

In article <ofK6Q1S00WB_FlMppb@andrew.cmu.edu>, Kin Chan <Sparrow+@CMU.EDU> writes:
|> I have this problem with changing icons of Window Applications. Whenever
|> I try to specify a different icon for Window Applications in File
|> Properties, the icon appears in the Group. However, when I minimize the
|> application, the icon that I selected is replaced by the original icon
|> which came with the application. I have tried this with a few programs
|> eg. Terminal, Macro Rec, File Manager. The problem persists and it
|> puzzles me. Could someone pls explain why this occurs and how I can
|> change the icons of these applications?
|> Thanks!
|> 
|> Kin

I had a similar problem before.  But then my HD crashed and I had to
re-install everything from scratch and the problem miraculously
disappeared.  The only difference that I can think of is that formerly
I had win3.0 and then install win3.1 as an upgrade.  When I rebuild,
it make sense to install win3.1 straight in.
 
...Kyle
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Brett Morrow)
Subject: Dots in Windows
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:33:45 GMT
Organization: Gallifrey - Home of the Timelords


I seem to have a problem that happens about 60% of times I run Windows.
The problem is that display get corrupted with usally black dots that start
appering in random points in different windows on the screen.  If I then do
anything more dots appear, if I move the windows a lot of dots appear.  

If I completely turn the machine off and on this will sometimes fix it.

I thought I could be my memory manager(QEMM) so I tried the memory manager that
came with DRDos and it does the same thing.  I have tried excluding all the 
areas that I know are video ram and that does not help.

I have following hardware:

486/33 with AMI bios
8 meg of RAM 
Soundblater Card
TSENG 4000 (Generic) VGA with 1 meg and HiColor chip set 
   using the Turbo TSENG driver from cica.


Does anyone know anything to try?????


 -Brett

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Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.misc:6611 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:7592
From: miket@exucom.com (Michael Teper)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Norton Desktop: Not Enough Memory for DOS Apps
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:44:18 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Organization: ExuCom Multimedia Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Jim Mann (jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com) wrote:
: I finally upgraded to Norton Destktop 2.0 last week. It's worked
: fine except for one problem: every now and then, when I try to
: open a DOS application or a DOS window, I get a "not enough
: memory to run correctly" message.  This occurs when I have
: no other Apps running, and when System Info says I have
: plenty of free resources left. Any suggestions as to what might
: be wrong?

: In case it matters, here's the setup:

: 386/33 with 4 M
: 2 M swapdrive
: smartdrv.exe disk cache (512K under Windows)
: Norton screen saver used as screen saver 

Try increasing Swapfile to 4Mb (even though it would make no difference
for a DOS app dire ctly since those only use real RAM)

Lower SmartDrive windows down to 256 and disable the screensaver (those
oftem take up more memory than you think)


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: Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: gibsonst@sonoma.edu (Stephen Gibson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: HELP! No fonts in WORD!
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: gibsonst@sonoma.edu
Organization: Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, CA


In article <C14EMC.1uo@NCoast.ORG> brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:
>In article <1993Jan17.192101.5579@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> nsus_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Nick Susch) writes:
>>Ok, I just added true-type fonts to windows, but now when I got under the
>>font selection thing in Word For Windows 2.0, I don't get any fonts listed!
>
>Surely this must be in the FAQ list.  (Whatever happened to it, by the
>way?  I haven't seen it in a couple of months.)
>
>Anyway, W4W has a bug(*) and doesn't pick up new fonts when you install
>them using Windows.  You have to go into Printer Setup in W4W and
>re-select your printer.  (I can't remember whether that fixes things
>right away, or you need to exit and re-enter Windows.)
>
>(*) There may be an explanation of why this "bug" isn't really a bug.
>But from the point of view of this user, it's definitely a bug because
>Windows is supposed to make fonts available to all applications without
>the necessity of installing them multiple times.  I don't know whether
>the fault lies with Windows or Word here, but one of them isn't doing
>its job right.
>--
>Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                    brown@Ncoast.ORG
>Cleveland, Ohio, USA
>"Compared to my life, the last man on a chain gang is thoroughly
>enjoying himself."                   __Holiday__ by Philip Barry

If I am not mistaken, WinWord is a "font caching application".  WinWord 
takes font information initially from your WIN.INI file the way it was when 
you started Windows (or something like that).  When the aformentioned fonts 
were installed, the new statements that were added did not match up to what 
was already in memory, so to speak.  Re-selecting a printer driver forces 
Windows to read WIN.INI from disk and this reloads the font info, making it 
available to WinWord.

Now, is this a feature or a bug?  I dunno, but it definitely beats having to 
restart Windows just to see some fonts...

Stephen Gibson
System Support Specialist
Sonoma State Universtiy
eMAIL:  gibsonst@sonoma.edu
        Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu
From: Sparrow+@CMU.EDU (Kin Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with playing WAV
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:11:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfNATi200WB8R4UYw8
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Thanks to all who took the trouble to reply to my question. I have
changed the duration of wav playing and can now enjoy the songs fully.

Kin
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Display Problem
Organization: UNLV
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:33:56 GMT

>Recently, I have discovered that when I go into Windows, my monitor
>screen is "pulled" vertically in a way that it no longer fits my 14"
>screen.  I have tried switching to Windows's VGA mode and even
>re-installed windows, but it is still the same.
>
You don't say what kind of monitor you have, but are you sure you didn't 
indavertantly bump the vertical size knob/button/whatever? On mine (a 
Gateway CrystalScan 14") it's in the back near the power cord attachment.
Some monitors allow you to save different configurations for different 
video modes.

Lamont Downs
downs@helios.nevada.edu
From: pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with playing WAV
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:10:22 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: apollo.mcl.bdm.com

In article <YfMyst200WB70UiEZi@andrew.cmu.edu> Sparrow+@CMU.EDU (Kin Chan) writes:
>I'm now using the MS PC speaker driver to play wav files through my pc
>speaker. I don't seem able to play any wav files for more than 4 secs. I
>have been using Sound Recorder and other wav players to the same effect.
>I wonder if anyone has any idea why and how I can possibly overcome this
>problem. I don't own a sound card and won't be getting one yet.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kin

It is real simple. Go to control panel. Go into drivers. Click on sound
driver for pc speaker, hit setup. Then change the limit to no limit or
whatever limit you want.

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*	pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com                     *
*	PAT DAUGHERTY   REDSKINS, wait till next year      *
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From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: HP DeskJet 500C vs. 550C
Date: 29 Jan 1993 02:06:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Ok, now for the real question...  If you are printing a 256 (or 64) shade
greyscale image, which cartridge is used?  I had a pic of the flag 
raising at Iwo Jima which I printed on my 500C;  the "olive drab" effect
actually was preferred in that case.

Just wondering...
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: ken@oscar.welch.jhu.edu (Ken Fasman)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Video files (*.AVI) uploaded
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Summary: Not with the PC Speaker driver!
Keywords: video multimedia windows
Organization: Genome Data Base, Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:27:15 GMT

In article <1jjro7INNt5k@post.its.mcw.edu> ttrusk@its.mcw.edu (Thomas Trusk) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.080304.91015@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> hewitt@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>>I have looked at these files.  They are indeed impressive.  However, they are
>>supposed to have sound and the impication in the README file is that this will
>>be heard, maybe at low quality, through the PC Speaker.  I hear absolutely
>>nothing.  Is there some adjustment I have to make - maybe through Control
>>Panel?
>>
>Having the same problem here. I cannot get this 'new' media player to 
>recognize the PC Speaker driver. This seems odd since the originally
>supplied 'older' media player DID work! So much for downward compatibility?!?
>What gives, Microsoft? 
>
The PC Speaker sound driver is only a bare bones implementation of sound 
under Windows.  Since it does not meet the minimum requirements of the 
MCI multimedia standard, it will not work with the embedded WAV data in 
these .avi files.  If you run the Windows Control Panel and select Drivers,
you will notice that the "Sound Driver for PC Speaker" is listed separately 
from the "[MCI] Sound" driver.

The Media Player only supports MCI-compatible drivers.  To play .wav files 
with the PC speaker, you must use the separate sound player, which is 
compatible with the more primitive driver.  Obviously, the Windows kernel is 
as well, since you can associate .wav files with system events (see "Sounds"
in the Windows Control Panel app).

Ken Fasman,
Genome Data Base
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
2024 E. Monument St.
Baltimore MD  21205

ken@library.welch.jhu.edu
From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: XVT GUI Toolkit
Keywords: xvt
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:50:26 GMT
Reply-To: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Organization: Metaphase Technology Inc

We are considering the use of the XVT GUI portability toolkit for our next
application release.  Our current product uses X and Motif directly, but we
see a need to anticipate new platforms (and PCs).

I would appreciate responses (e-mail or followup postings) from those who
have worked with the toolkit.

How does it compare to working with X and Motif directly?

Is it reliable? Efficient? Supported well?

I would particularly like to hear from those who have extended it 
(new widgets)or have intermixed native toolkit calls.

I will summarize for later posting.

-- 
Steve Chesney                                    slc@cim.cdc.com     
Metaphase Technology Inc.                        612-482-4662 (voice)
4201 North Lexington Avenue                      612-482-4001 (fax)
Arden Hills, MN  55126
From: Sparrow+@CMU.EDU (Kin Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Problem with playing WAV
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:42:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfMyst200WB70UiEZi
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm now using the MS PC speaker driver to play wav files through my pc
speaker. I don't seem able to play any wav files for more than 4 secs. I
have been using Sound Recorder and other wav players to the same effect.
I wonder if anyone has any idea why and how I can possibly overcome this
problem. I don't own a sound card and won't be getting one yet.

Thanks,

Kin
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: re: 16550 UARTs and Windows
From: gibsonst@sonoma.edu (Stephen Gibson)
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:12:03 PST
Reply-To: gibsonst@sonoma.edu
Organization: Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, CA


In article <1jpc8uINNctd@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> jhl@egr.msu.edu (John Lawitzke) writes:
>I have a machine which uses 16550 UARTs.  I am attempting to determine
>how the FIFOs work with Windows.  Primarily, I am attempting to
>determine how Windows detects the presence of the 16550.  I have
>"COM1FIFO=On" set in my SYSTEM.INI file.  However, the FIFOs do not
>appear to be being utilized.  How can I tell if they are being used?
>
>I tried:
>
>1) Bring up debug and turn on the FIFOs
>2) Startup Windows
>3) Use debug to check; the register indicates that FIFOs are off
>4) Exit Windows
>5) Use debug to check; the register indicates that FIFOs are on
>
>Is Windows virtualization getting in my way?
>
>--
>John Lawitzke
>Manager of Product Management
>Dale Computer Corp.
>Internet: jhl@frith.egr.msu.edu

Probably.  Windows' DOS sessions see the 16550 as an 8250A.

By the way, the premiere issue of Windows Sources (Feb 1993) has a pretty 
good article on Windows, serial ports and UARTS (page 422)

Stephen Gibson
System Support Specialist
Sonoma State Universtiy
eMAIL:  gibsonst@sonoma.edu
        Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: HWHA <HWHA@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Norton Desktop: compat.exe
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:56:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.191133.826@en.ecn.purdue.edu> cazallis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Todd Cazallis) writes:
>I have uploaded a patch for NDW 2.0 to Wuarchive, path and filenames
>
>/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/compat.exe               (from Symantec, 514644 bytes)
>/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/compat.txt               (text file I typed)
>
>compat.exe is a compressed file I downloaded from Nortons BBS (one of their
>highest downloaded files) sometime in December, that contains a patch for your
>current installation of Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0. This patch can possibly
>fix some compatability problems between your computer and NDW (i.e. fixes some
>of the bugs).  This is a fairly extensive patch, since it modifies nearly
>every executable in the NDW directory, and fixed all of the problems I was
>experiencing from NDW (NDW caused GPF's and would not even allow windows to
>boot, unless the line "shell=ndw.exe" was changed).
>
>I called Symantecs customer support on 1-21-93, and asked if there was any
>problem uploading this for others to have access, to which the stated there
>is no problem, except it may not work correctly with NDW versions overseas.
>
>Hope this helps some people out.
>

Sounds great. Now can someone tell me the ftp address of Wuarchive.

Thanks.

Hugh Whalen                  |Questions are the important thing. Answers
Faculty of Administration    |are less important. Learning to ask good
University of New Brunswick  |questions is the heart of intelligence.
                             |Learning the answer .... well answers are
                             |for students. Questions are for thinkers.
                             |               -- Roger C. Schank


DISCLAIMER: Neither UNB nor I care what the other thinks.

                       .
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: Re: PkZip 2.04c & Windows 3.1
Organization: CS
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:14:26 GMT


Hop on over to comp.compression and look around.  Info about the new pkzip
2.04e was posted there, with info from PKWare about bug fixes and such.

FTP info was posted to comp.archives.msdos.announce.
-- 
 Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
 Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@cs.montana.edu
From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: TrueType Equivalent for Palatino?
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:42:59 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu

From article <1993Jan20.163515.24506@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, by mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539):
> In article <1jjit8INN6au@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx) writes:
>>From article <1993Jan20.063451.28377@data-io.com>, by jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell):
>>> I'm looking for a TrueType equivalent for the Palatino type face.
>>
>>If you are sending your document to a printer with palatino resident on it,
>>I've found that you don't have to have the font installed on your computer
>>to use it.  Here's what I do in WFW:
>>
>>Highlight the font box and type palatino.  WFW uses some other font
>>for the screen, but when I print my document to a postscript file,
>>it includes the "palatino" font name in it, since the printer has
>>it installed.  When I send this file to our laserwriter II at work,
>>it prints out in palatino.
> 
> Doesn't that sort of make WYSIWYG not work quite right, what with
> differences in inter-character distance and such?  Note that there is
> also a file containing DISPLAY ONLY versions of the 'standard' 35
> Postscript fonts which was distributed by Adobe.  If you install these
> fonts, your screen will use the right font when you select Palatino
> (at least I think that is one of the standard 35).  Anyway, this file
> should be available on cica and its mirrors.

Actually, you are right, but I have found that whatever font WFW substitutes
on the screen sure is a pretty close match as far as spacing is concerned
and I don't have any problems.

     Gregory R. Cook         |  INTERNET:    gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu
 Department of Chemistry     |               cookgreg@student.msu.edu
Michigan State University    |  BITNET:      cook@msucem.BITNET
 East Lansing, MI  48824     |  COMPUSERVE:  74170,3010
From: cap@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu (chris pilewski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: ..Xvision for windows..
Keywords: Can not find hosts
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:46:36 GMT
Organization: UPMC

In article <1993Jan27.203837.24706@oracle.pnl.gov>, dng974@twins.pnl.gov (WT Valdez) writes 
|> 
|> Help I am having trouble with Xvision X emulator for windows.  I need the
|> phone number to the U.S.A office technical support line.
|> 

Hi Tom,

XVision is made by a UK Company called VisionWare.  Their agent in the
United Stated is Unipress Software; and Unipress provides software support
in the USA.  However, you are expected to buy a software support agreement.
This agreement covers telephone tech. support and free software upgrades
throughout the (1-year) agreement period.  At the time I purchased my
agreement, it cost 25% of my purchase price which came to $100.00.  This
is a stiff expense.  But, I think that it's worth the money.  I got a lot
of help and two software upgrades.  The telephone numbers for Unipress are:
(800-222-0550) and (908-287-2100).

  \\/////// ---------------------------------------------------------------
  |  " "  |	Christopher Pilewski
  |  > O  |	pil@med.pitt.edu		cap8@unix.cis.pitt.edu
  |   L   |	cap@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu
  | \___/ |	(412) 648-8157
  \_______/ ---------------------------------------------------------------

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From: davidb@deimos.ucs.umass.edu (DAVID BESONEN)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: trouble w/ATI Ultra drivers, please help
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:47 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Hello,

I'm having trouble getting 1meg ATI Graphics Ultra cards to
work with windows.

I have 10 PC Brand 486/33MHz machines each with one of the above
cards installed.  When I start windows, more often than not,
I'm confronted with a white screen.  If I go into setup and
select the 800x600x10 video driver that came with windows, windows
then works fine.  I also have the same problem if I use the 8514
driver that came with Windows.  This would lead me to believe
that the problem is related to the coprocessor.

I've excluded memory locations A000-C7FF in my config.sys and
system.ini as suggested by ATI, but this fails to help.

Also, I am using the more recent ATI drivers, I just downloaded
them from the ATI BBS last week.

Any similar experiences or advice would be greatly
appreciated.


David Besonen
"davidb@student.umass.edu"

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: tpurves@sygnus.uucp (Timothy Purves)
Subject: Re: 16550 UARTs and Windows
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:00:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.181206.3916@nic.csu.net> gibsonst@sonoma.edu writes:
>
>In article <1jpc8uINNctd@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> jhl@egr.msu.edu (John Lawitzke) writes:
>>I have a machine which uses 16550 UARTs.  I am attempting to determine
>>how the FIFOs work with Windows.  Primarily, I am attempting to
>>determine how Windows detects the presence of the 16550.  I have
>>"COM1FIFO=On" set in my SYSTEM.INI file.  However, the FIFOs do not

Try, Com1Fifo=1, there is reported to be a bug int he parsing of the "ON"

-- 

    Timothy Purves          linx!sygnus!tpurves@vela.acs.oakland.edu
    Waterford, MI
    USA
From: jan@nasobem.stgt.sub.org (Jan Schiefer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: CICA mirrors?
Summary: Who mirrors cica?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 13:33:33 GMT
Distribution: comp

Hi,

does anybody have a list of ftp-servers, which mirror ftp.cica.indiana.edu?
I'm especially interested in european servers.

Thanks,
        Jan

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   und ein Tiramisu, beschtell isch mir dazu, ..."  - Die kleine Tierschau
From: fraser@europarc.xerox.com (Quentin Stafford-Fraser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: Windows programs on a 286
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:16:05 GMT
Distribution: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.ms
Organization: Xerox EuroPARC, Cambridge, UK
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.06.


My experience with Access suggests that it really does like more than 4
Megs. I found some old 256K simms and upgraded my 486/33 to 5Meg and I
think there was a significant improvement. One day I'll get 8.

I'm afraid it would probably be painfully slow on a 286.


Quentin

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc