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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 10:42:08 EST
From: <EENG6903@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject:    why ?

Why are the Japanese still using Kanji? When they can replace it
by their own character/language.
From: shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Discrimination in Marine Corps Officer Candidate School
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:54:04 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.


There is an interesting article on page A14 of the New York Times about
racial discrimination in the Marine Corps OCS.  The issue was raised by a
Japanese-American who sued the Marines for kicking him out of OCS because
of "lack of leadership qualities" or something, which prompted the Marines
to do some statistical studies showing that racial minorities are more
likely to drop out of OCS than whites, normalized for other factors.  The
Marines are concerned, but have not decided how to react to these (not so
surprising) findings.

The same old stuff (i.e. "go back to your country", perception of lack of
leadership qualities, old boy networks, etc.)

-Andy
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From: Jen.Shum@launchpad.unc.edu (Jen Shum)
Subject: Kanji 
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:43:20 GMT

The use of Kanji in Japanese culture has been present for many centuries.
As a matter of fact, it has been around longer than the other two forms of
written Japanese, Hiragana and Katakana. Hiragana is reserved for the use
of pure Japanese words. By "pure", I am speaking of words that are derived
totally from Japanese culture. Katakana, on the other hand, is denoted for
words from foreign origins. Thus, words like "pretty" or  "bunraku" etc.
can be denoted by hiragana and kanji characters whereas "hot dog" would be
denoted with katakana. In addition, the number of kanji memorized and
learned by an individual is considered a reasonable measure of his
intellect and educational level/abilities.  Besides, kanji is
deeply embedded in Japanese culture. It would be extremely difficult if
not impossible to convince an entire country to renounce kanji.


-JS
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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:13:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> I have already refuted the first claim (#1) by pointing out 
	> the following. Mr. Wu does not believe Nazism to be bad because 
	> he refuses to judge it since he hasn't met everyone who 
	> claims to be a Nazi.

As someone else has pointed out, the Nazis were a **POLITICAL** group
not a cultural group. Nazi belief is widely known; people aren't born
into it they *CHOOSE* to join it so one doesn't need to know every
Nazi to know what they believe and represent.

On the other hand, an ethnic culture contains a multitude of facets
that one cannot completely comprehend without knowing a great deal
about its members.

Your comparison of an ethnic culture with a political group is an attempt
at pure emotionalism.

	Melinda
From: scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:59:17 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1ee6dbINNbm4@male.EBay.Sun.COM> august@sachsen.uni-dresden.de writes:
>Hello Netters,
>
>Is there a way to find out the listings for these so-called
>mail-order brides? I am a German businessman. I will go to
>Thailand next year for the vacations and am looking for a
>patient, educated woman of Asian birth. She will be treated
>with utmost respect.

	Are you so desperate as to resorting to mail-order brides?  No need to do that, when you're in Thailand, just go to Patpong road and ask any girl 
there to marry you.  I'm sure they will.  They will "love you long time", be 
very submissive, good housewives, and all you could ever want in a sex toy.  


>I am not rich by western standards but am the heir to considerable
>land in the former German Democratic Republic (E. Germany). 
>

	But it's okay, not rich by western standards is still a billionare
by Asian standards.  All the girls will flock to you when you tell them this.


>I am 23, blond hair, blue eyes, 180 cm tall, 72 kg weight
>(I am looking like Emilio Estevez from USA say my friends at least!)
>
>I live in a modest but comfortable estate in the German 
>countryside. (10 rooms, 2 autos, plenty of livestocks,
>no servants)
>
>Na gut Tschuess!
>
>-August
>

	Seeing those mail-order bride ads makes me sick enough as it is,   
but to see somebody who's actually interested in them is really something 
else.

	I HOPE your post was suppose to be a sick joke, if it is, it's 
mildly amusing.  If it's not, go to hell.  The world doesn't need anymore 
people like you, even if you're an heir to an estate, live in a 10 room house,
and have 2 cars.  May this post ruin your day as it did mine.

-Art

 





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From: othar@agave.tcs.com (Othar Hansson)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.185937.768@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.205344.10779@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>>Mr. George Wu, like many of his Chinese-cu friends,
>
>> believes that skin
>>color determines the inferiority or superiority of a person.  They
>>also believe that virginity has a crucial bearing on the value of a woman.
>
>     Again, I have never stated such beliefs, I have never implied such
>beliefs, and I do not hold such beliefs.  This statement is outright libel.

Not only that, but Dwight's libel exemplifies a style of argument that
does not deserve our attention.  Dwight began by making generalizations
without providing meaningful corroborating evidence, and then moved on
to personal attacks and misattribution of beliefs.  It is not an
argument, and it is no longer even entertaining.


--Othar Hansson
(stereotypical hard-drinking, elf-seeing Icelandic-cu)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 13:44:17 CST
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Distribution: usa
 <lgg86nINN6gh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> <1992Nov17.004902.2725@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Nov17.004902.2725@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>The people to whom Ms. Cheung refers are Wilbur Pan (u58402@uicvm.uic.edu)
>and Patsy Wang (patsyw@hp.com).
>
>I should make a comment on this.  This kind of behavior is typical of
>Chinese-cu people, and although I don't really care what they say on USENET,
>I take the matter very seriously when they decide to take matters from USENET
>into real life.  They may think that it's game and that I helplessly won't do
>anything because they think that I'm Chinese-ge (even though I've never
>identified my ethnicity.)  These people would not try the same thing with
>a European-American.
>


Well, you should have seen me when I was trying to buy a car from a
European-ge Chevy salesman earlier this week. :@).

>These Chinese-cu people couldn't be more wrong.  Once a topic of discussion
>on USENET is translated into real life actions by Chinese-cu people against
>me, I take the matter very seriouly.  And I respond, without hesitation
>or remorse, in the same way that an intellectural European-American would
>respond.
>


Well, you have yet to show any signs of reasoning in a rational, western
manner. Instead you play games with definitions to support your paper
thin arguments.

>Numerous twits, including Mr. Pan, had been trying to play e-mail games
>with me.  I reported all the activity to either the postmaster of the
>offending site or the administrator of my site.  This is not a joke.
>(I suspect that Ms. Cheung is aware of this, since she has never once sent
>me e-mail despite her gaming attitude on s.c.a.a.)
>
>As for threatened/actual attempts to spy on me, to interfere in my personal
>life, and/or to post fabricated/or not material about me, I take that very
>seriously.  I, and most other Americans, do not think that sort of activity
>should be ignored.  I have not ignored it and, without hesitation or remorse,
>will respond in the same way that a European-American would respond to this
>kind of threatened or actual encroachment into my personal life.
>
Much like your statements about how I (and many others on the net ) are
racists? If this isn't fabricated material, for the most part, I don't
know what is.

I'd respond in more detail, but I'm post-call.

See you later.

Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: sundararajan@saturn.glassboro.edu
Subject: ..Asian Students at Rowan College,New Jersey ..
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ 08028
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:42:18 GMT

Dear Netters , 
                 This is a call for help.....
              We, Asian students at the Rowan College of New Jersey 
 (formerly Glassboro State College), are attempting to form an Asian
 students association ... it would be of great help if u folks could
 send back information about similar organizations u belong to, u'r
 own ideas or other suggestions on how to collect,organize and run
 such a group ,possible activities , sources of financial or other
 help etc. We're at present, a small group of about half a dozen who
 have gathered.. we do know more asian students exist on our campus
 and are trying to reach them & so on... U'r suggestions would, in
 my belief, most certainly help in speeding up the whole process of
 organising. I look forward to hearing from u soon... if this is not
 truly "network" material in u'r opinion, u can send u'r ideas 
 directly to me at "sundararajan @ saturn.glassboro.edu". Thank u.

                 ...on behalf of the Asian Students at Rowan College,

                          sincerely,
                                     Raman Sundararajan

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Results of Investigation at the NASA Ames Res. Ctr.
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:38:04 GMT

Follow up to the SJ Merc article post of events in July/August at NASA Ames.
The independent review board of the NASA management review has issued
their report.  This is a NASA document and is subject to FOIA requests
at this time.

The board found in their opinion that there was no undue racism during
the conduct of the investigation last August.	^^

At this time, actions are being continued.  The FBI and Office of
Inspector General are getting involved.  This will likely have impacts
on the use of email and other computing facilities at all NASA Centers.
Comments are to be directed to Del Harding, NASA Ames Research Center.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Jen.Shum@launchpad.unc.edu (Jen Shum)
Subject: sorry once again
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:15:31 GMT

I've just tried a different news system to post and I thought that it
didn't work. So I posted another reply not knowing that the first one
actually went through. 

Sorry about the double post. T'wasn't because I have some egomanical
desire to see my name on my computer screen.  :)


-JS
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This discussion reminds me of a story my father told me a long time ago
(and which I cannot verify as the personnel are dead now)..... 

Dad once had a friend (or maybe he was just an acquaintance) named Jack Suzuki. 
In the early 1940s, executive order 9066 made it rather awkward (to say the
least) to be Japanese.  Mr. Suzuki decided to change his last name to Soo.

Yes, the same Jack Soo who went on to become a well-known actor.....

So was it justifiable for him to change his name to escape being interned?
(And yes, he wasn't interned.)  (Or did my dad just make up this story?!)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:26:27 GMT

In article <1ee6dbINNbm4@male.EBay.Sun.COM> august@sachsen.uni-dresden.de
writes:
>Hello Netters,
>Is there a way to find out the listings for these so-called
>mail-order brides? I am a German businessman. I will go to
>Thailand next year for the vacations and am looking for a
>patient, educated woman of Asian birth. She will be treated
>with utmost respect.
>I am not rich by western standards but am the heir to considerable
>land in the former German Democratic Republic (E. Germany). 
>I am 23, blond hair, blue eyes, 180 cm tall, 72 kg weight
>(I am looking like Emilio Estevez from USA say my friends at least!)
>I live in a modest but comfortable estate in the German 
>countryside. (10 rooms, 2 autos, plenty of livestocks,
>no servants)
>Na gut Tschuess!
>-August

Gutentag.

There are listings, but my best advice is to spend some time in China
or Hong Kong.  Since your English fairly good, you might enroll in 
an English teaching program.

Things that you have going for you are (1) white skin, (2) relatively
wealthy compared to most Chinese, and (3) citizenship in a relatively
open-minded Western nation.  Chinese, in general, prefer white skin
over the darker varieties.  Yep.  There's quite a bit of racism in
Chinese society, but you can exploit it to your benefit.  By all means,
please do so.

It will be relatively easy to find, not just 1, but several women
who suit your tastes, and I'm sure that you will suit their tastes
as well.  Have fun, but wear umbrella.  It's not the law; it's common
sense.

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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discrimination in Marine Corps Officer Candidate School
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:26:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> By the way, if Mr. Yamashita had been a member of the cultural 
	> group of which Henry Lui had been a part, Mr. Yamashita would have 
	> the incredible misfortune of being told (by members of that 
	> cultural group) the very same things (like "You're real country is 
	> Ch*n* because you are a Ch*n*s*-ge") that rednecks like to say.  
	> In other words, there's no way out unless you abandon that 
	> culture and become a Japanese-American, Korean-American, etc.

OH CHRIST ON A STICK! You turn a perfectly good informational post
into the same ol' Chinese bashing. 

You are so obsessed.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.051915.8473@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.022400.2558@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>>You hate based upon upbringing.
>
>I've never met Mr. Wu and have never revealed virtually nothing about
>my background on this network.  Or does Mr. Wu, like many other Chinese-cu,
>claim to be endowed with the ability to read minds?

Oops! He didnt mean YOUR upbringing, he meant the upbringing of
those you condemn.  You're letting out unintentional info about yourself
there. Tsk tsk!

BTW: who ever claimed that chinese can read minds?  I think most people
     who even bother replying to your post are merely guessing, conjecturing
     etc based on what info you have given or let slip as in this case.

BTW2: So what's the big mystery about your background?  If you dont want
      anyone to know about it, then dont mention it.  I havent seen anyone
      so damn defensive about themselves, like they have something to
      hide or ashamed of.  Take Mr.Asano's example, after everyone and there
      mother blasted him, he goes and posts an autobiography.  He had
      just as many people question his background, so he layed it out cold.
      I mean actually, most people are too glad to talk about themselves
      or are you THAT introverted.
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Subject: Re: mail-order bride
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:36:38 GMT
Organization: Meta - Software

In article <1992Nov20.032627.3770@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>There are listings, but my best advice is to spend some time in China
>or Hong Kong.  Since your English fairly good, you might enroll in 
>an English teaching program.

> [ . . . ]

>It will be relatively easy to find, not just 1, but several women
>who suit your tastes, and I'm sure that you will suit their tastes
>as well.  Have fun, but wear umbrella.  It's not the law; it's common
>sense.

     As long as you're out shopping for a women, why not consider the
lease program?  In fact, who needs marriage, lease several.  Fuck a
different women each day of the week.  More women means more cleaning
and cooking, too.  At the end of the lease term, turn her back in for
a younger model.  You might even find someone else interested in taking
over your payments sooner, if you like.  You should be able to recoup
some of her costs, and you might even be able to turn a profit.

							George



PS: My apologies to the rest of the net for my rather blunt sarcasm.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: twu@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU (Tom Wu)
Subject: Re: Sticking Together (was Re: What is Asian ?)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:14:41 GMT

jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) writes:

>[This is Big Game week, and the good guys are going to lose yet again.
> Therefore, I can and will make smart-ass comments like this to people
> I know on the Farm.  :-) ]

Jim, I believe the good guys are going to win yet again. :-)

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:00:33 GMT

In article 11599@panix.com, sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh) writes:

>There are many reasons for socializing or organizing.  Hoyt Sze's
>recent diatribe in Asian Week against apolitical Asian American
>organizations misses the point (not surprising) in why people associate.
>There are cultural and economic reasons as well as political ones.  They
>are just as "legitimate".  And these organizations serve as useful a purpose 
>as political organizations.

But frequently the act of deciding to be apolitical has political ramifications.
For example, consider Alpha Chi at the University of Texas at Austin.  When
we were trying to organize AA representation at a function which had been
co-sponsored by Alpha Chi and eight other Asian and Asian-American student
organizations, we had the support of the other eight groups, but Alpha Chi
attempted to veto our right to be at the function, since it would risk their
involvement in a political activity.

Meanwhile, social organizations like Alpha Chi continue to be recognized
by the university administration as the *only* legitimate voice of the AA
community, because AA students, just like all other American students,
are generally more interested in partying than politicking; hence the
party clubs tend to be much bigger than the issue-oriented groups.  Fine.  
But when they're asked by the administration for input on race issues, 
they should pass the responsibility on to interested people, rather than
taking the call, dropping the ball and letting AAs continue to go unrepresented.

We have the same situation here at Texas A&M with a party club called the Asian-American Association. A name like that puts a huge damper on any attempts 
by AA leaders to organize.  It also establishes the club as something it's not:  
the official voice of AA students.  It's no wonder AAs have been completely disenfranchised from the multiculturalism debate again this year.  I.e., there 
is for the first time a serious proposal for a required course on the American 
minority experience beginning in 1993-94.  The students involved in the drafting 
of the proposal were white, African-American and Hispanic.  The AAA had been 
contacted but had failed to respond.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.  Unfortunately on most campuses,
AA party clubs are in the way, and they act like they own the road.  In fact, 
they're probably the single biggest obstacle to AA student activism.
---
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

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