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From: spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
Keywords: and still ticking
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:07:00 GMT
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems, Instrument Interfacing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Sep29.211132.24273@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton) writes...
#In article <28SEP199222223884@nereid.sunquest.com>, spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons) writes:
#>In article <Bv7420.7xn@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu (Dwight A. Schwartz) writes...
#>#What networking options were/are available for the Rainbow?  It would appear
#>#from the post that Rainbows _can_ be connected to a DECnet, so, more 
#>#specifically, is there any hardware/software which would allow me to connect 
#>#a Rainbow directly to a TCP/IP network? (e.g. thin cable ethernet card, etc.).
# 
#	Digital never produced an Ethernet card for the Rainbow.  We
#evaluated a 3rd party card by an outfit called Univation, but never supported
#it.  Since there wasn't any vacant option spaces left, the card was designed
#to sandwich under the disk controller AND tap into the FP coprocessor option.
#Unfortunately this vastly overloaded the power supply (a marginal design to
#be begin with) and it was not unusual for a burst of transmissions to cause
#the Rainbow to crash.  There were other problems as well.

Was there an overload situation on a diskless workstation?  or only when a
hard-drive was installed?

#	There was a Corvus Omninet card for the Rainbow.

More, tell us more...

#>#What is DECnet-DOS?  Where can one get it?  Would this allow one to "connect"
#>#several Rainbows in a LAN if each Rainbow were running it?
#>
#>DECnet-DOS was a pre-cursor to Pathworks for DOS.  I've only tested it with 
#>RS232 connections, since I haven't been able to scrounge up an ethernet card
#>for the Rainbow (yet.)  One thing to consider (if you can obtain the software)
#>is that it's only an end-node license, you'll need to have a router in the
#>works somewhere, unless your net only consists of two end-nodes.
#>
#>Version 1.1 is/was _very basic_ in the clients/servers that were provided.
# 
#	I think, Version 1.2 was the last version of DECnet-Rainbow released.
#It provided all of the standard DECnet peer-to-peer utilities still in
#PATHWORKS for DOS today (including DECnet sockets).
# 
#LAN Manager based client/server file services were introduced when the VAXmate
#arrived, with DECnet-DOS V2.1 and (then called) VMS Services for DOS.

So, where can one obtain V1.2 of DECnet/DOS for the 'Bow?  ...and where can one
obtain the "programmers' kit?"  Has DEC decided that the Rainbow is "dead"
enough (from a marketing POF) to release this stuff to the PD, yet?

--
Steve (SPG6) spg@sunquest.com
From: barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Pro 380 problems continued...
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:49:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: chezmoto.BARRY.92Sep28134914
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: MicroMuse
In-reply-to: petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu's message of 28 Sep 92 05:11:04 GMT

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Subject: Re: Microvax 2000: used price?
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:30:56 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka) writes:
> But it is hard to find out which kind of disk it is actually, because
> DEC has changed all labels and modified the casing..

Eh? Wot?  Ignoring the RD54 with MAXTOR emblazened across the HDA, I am
yet to see an RD-series drive that wasn't easily recognisable with original
part numbers visible.

> DEC power supplies.. some them have a thermostat controlled fans etc,
> but they lack power.. you can't even use all disk slots in a uVAX II
> case.

A BA23 has a 230W PSU, which is a fairly mondo sort of power supply 
compared to your average PC.  The BA123 is even bigger.  

I've got two disk drives running in my BA23, of the elderly power-hungry
variety.  The power budget is knocking against the limit, but repacing
drives with more modern ones would pull things down quite nicely.

The BA123 has a _lot_ of space for drive mounting, but it is assumed that
some of those drives will be either floppies or tapes and not suck a lot
of power all the time.  Again, putting in more modern drives helps -- an
RD54 pulls a _lot_ less juice than an RD52 for example.  

> So you must be a DEC HW guru to do anything with used DEC gear..
> I used to be at PDP time, but then DEC started to hold information,
> and it became too tedious.

The configuration rules for MicroVAXes are easy enough to deal with, and
the necessary specs are published in the catalogues.  Personally, I find
configuring a MicroVAX easier than PCs with all their odd cases and broken
I/O model.  

So what's your point?

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: EISA Alpha ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:58:41 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct7.000743.47@otago.ac.nz>, psyxsgp@otago.ac.nz writes:
> 
> 	I heard a rumour that there was an EISA board available
> built around DECs Alpha chip. Is this so and if so where could I find
> further information?

It's not available yet. The latest "Digital News & Review" mentions two
such animals, Pelican and Triumph. According to them, Pelican will be
available first for around $7K and Triumph will follow later for around
$4K.

Can't imagine why anyone would _want_ to stick EISA off an Alpha, though;
seems like a can of worms that will never work right (how do you expect the
Alpha to execute the ROM BIOS on a VGA card, for example?).

Roger Ivie
ivie@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu (Dwight A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
Organization: UIUC Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:47:10 GMT
Keywords: and still ticking

In article <1992Sep29.211132.24273@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton) writes:

>
>	Digital never produced an Ethernet card for the Rainbow.  We
>evaluated a 3rd party card by an outfit called Univation, but never supported
>it.  

	What sort of network was this card designed for?


Dwight
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From: messmer@taipaani.cc.lut.fi (Willi Messmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Is there pdp8 newsgroup ??
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:21:22 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

Some time ago people here claimed there's a newsgroup for pdp8.
I haven't seen it...Is it alive ???

Willi
From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
Keywords: and still ticking
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:10:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct2.214033.15638@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton) writes:
>
>	Digital never produced an Ethernet card for the Rainbow.  We
>evaluated a 3rd party card by an outfit called Univation, but never supported
>it.  


Was/is there an ethernet adaptor for the Professional 
line of computers?  Is it still available anywhere?
At what price?  What about drivers for the card?

Thanks.

Chaim




Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro,comp.sys.dec
From: obrien@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Subject: Re: Microvax 2000: used price?
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:17:26 EDT

In article <1992Sep27.215953.26882@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka) writes:
> In <1992Sep22.142356.1923@einoed.in-berlin.de> alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne) writes:
> 
>>Hello,
> 
>>someone offered to sell me a used Microvax 2000. What should one pay for
>>such a beast and what are the typical configurations (HD, FD/tape, memory,
>>serial ports, network, internal bus)?
> 
> Usually old VAXes are free.. because they are large and heavy and it is
> expensive to get rid of them. 2000 is small enough to be put into
> normal trashcans.. maybe you should pay DM50
> 

This is not entirely true.  Such a machine often contains components which are
valuable in their own right, such as hard disks and tape drives.  Certainly the
older VAXes and MicroVAXes aren't such speedy computers, but you have to
consider what you're getting in parts, too.  Just my humble opinion.

========================================================================
OBRIEN@YALEVMS                Jim O'Brien, Dept. of Chem. Engrg.
OBRIEN@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU     Yale University             
                              2159 YS, New Haven CT 06520, U.S.A.
                              +1 203 432 4382 (days)
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From: barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Pro-380 keyboard not working
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:45:28 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: MicroMuse
In-reply-to: petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu's message of 27 Sep 92 12:25:04 GMT

Take out the Mother Board and inspect the area near the Video Connector.
Look for a meltdown on one of the leads and bridge it with a dollop
of solder or a jumper wire.

To remove the Mother Board, pop the latch at the front of the HD and
floppy drives and slide them forward.  Uplug the ribbon cables to the
card cage, and unscrew the 3 thumbscrews on the front of the card
cage.  Unplug the power cable and slide the Mother Board out.

The meltdown can occur if you try to connect the Video Connector with
the power on.  If you misalign the connector, you can short the power
lead and meltdown the lead (I think it's Pin 1 or 2) to the keyboard.

Write me at barry@michael.ai.mit.edu if you need further advice.

Barry Kort
Visiting Scientist
Educational Technology Research
BBN Labs
Cambridge, MA
From: harrisp@wl.aecl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Request: Linpack Benchmark on VS-4000-90
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:23:14 GMT
Organization: AECL RESEARCH


 Can anyone send me some info on the performance of the VS-4000-90.
Ideally, I'd like to get the number of MegaFlops as measured using an
"untweaked" version of the linpack test code. Any other info would also
be appreciated. Alternatively, if some kind soul out there has a VS-4000-90
and would run some code I e-mail them, I'd be forever in there debt.

                        Thanks in advance
                                        Phil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton)
Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
Keywords: and still ticking
Reply-To: mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:40:33 GMT


In article <BvDMqo.Mxv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu (Dwight A. Schwartz) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
>From: schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu (Dwight A. Schwartz)
>Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:47:10 GMT
>
>In article <1992Sep29.211132.24273@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton) writes:
>
>>
>>	Digital never produced an Ethernet card for the Rainbow.  We
>>evaluated a 3rd party card by an outfit called Univation, but never supported
>>it.  
>
>	What sort of network was this card designed for?

	The board in question was an Ethernet board.  However, we did
not feel it was supportable.

	Dave Mitton.
	Digital Equipment Corp.
	Networks and Communications.
From: tomk@pyton.DoCS.UU.SE (Tom F Karlsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Software for DEC Rainbow 100B ???
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:39:48
Organization: Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University, Sweden.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyton.csd.uu.se

Is there anyone who would like to give/sell me some copies of programs
for the Rainbow (both MS-DOS and CP/M programs) ?
Or perhaps trade it against some of my software.

I would like to have interpreters or compilers for C, Pascal, Forth or
Basic. And also communication programs like Kermit.
(I'm really interested in any kind of software for this machine, so...)

The programs I have to trade with is;  MS-DOS 2.05 and 2.11
				       CP/M (don't know the version)
				       Jetpack (game with grafix !)
				       SEDT (text editor)
				       AutoCAD
				       Cycle (pictures with viewer)
				       3 small textgames
				       Macroassembler

(by the way, I also have a Professional 380 which is in desperate need
of some more soft:s  :-)

--
#-------------------------------------------------------#
|  Tom Karlsson                                         |
|  student of computer science @ Uppsala University     |
|  email:   tomk@meryl.csd.uu.se                        |
|                                                       |
|  " - At least it's something, said the moskito and    |
|      pissed in the sea..."                            |
#-------------------------------------------------------#
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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Microvax 2000: used price?
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:53:06 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <13783277@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
> I've got two disk drives running in my BA23, of the elderly power-hungry
> variety.  The power budget is knocking against the limit, but repacing
> drives with more modern ones would pull things down quite nicely.

  Two problems to watch out for (I know Don knows, but perhaps this may save
some other reader's system):

  1) There are two flavors of BA23 power supplies. The old one provides 6A
     of +12, while the new one provides 7A. Check to see which one you have
     before believing the numbers on the configuration worksheet.

  2) BA23's (and BA123's) have a defect in the wiring harness which can cause
     electrical fires. IMHO, DEC did not publicize this as well as the should
     have. Anyway, look at the harness (1 in a BA23, 2 in a BA123) that con-
     nects the power supply to the backplane. If it has yellow connectors or
     "webbed" wires, it should be replaced. If it has individual colored wires
     with white connectors, you're Ok.

> The BA123 has a _lot_ of space for drive mounting, but it is assumed that
> some of those drives will be either floppies or tapes and not suck a lot
> of power all the time.  Again, putting in more modern drives helps -- an
> RD54 pulls a _lot_ less juice than an RD52 for example.  

  I have a BA123 with 3 RD54's, a TK50, a Wangtek 5150EQ tape, and an RX33 and
have had them all running at once. 3 of the BA123's drive bays are on one PS,
and the remaining two are on the other PS. The trick is in shuffling things
around to balance the load. BTW, DEC's RD54's have a lower start-up current
than stock Maxtor XT-2190's. Mine are all generic Maxtors.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton)
Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
Keywords: and still ticking
Reply-To: mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:11:32 GMT


In article <28SEP199222223884@nereid.sunquest.com>, spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons) writes:
>From: spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons)
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
>Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
>Date: 29 Sep 92 05:22:00 GMT
>
>In article <Bv7420.7xn@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu (Dwight A. Schwartz) writes...
>#In article <23SEP199201281456@nereid.sunquest.com> spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons) writes:
>
>#>So, a while back I asked about the availability of _other_ DECnet objects for
>#>my various Rainbow systems.  
>
>#What networking options were/are available for the Rainbow?  It would appear
>#from the post that Rainbows _can_ be connected to a DECnet, so, more 
>#specifically, is there any hardware/software which would allow me to connect 
>#a Rainbow directly to a TCP/IP network? (e.g. thin cable ethernet card, etc.).

	Digital never produced an Ethernet card for the Rainbow.  We
evaluated a 3rd party card by an outfit called Univation, but never supported
it.  Since there wasn't any vacant option spaces left, the card was designed
to sandwich under the disk controller AND tap into the FP coprocessor option.
Unfortunately this vastly overloaded the power supply (a marginal design to
be begin with) and it was not unusual for a burst of transmissions to cause
the Rainbow to crash.  There were other problems as well.

	There was a Corvus Omninet card for the Rainbow.

>TCP/IPwise, I know of nothing for the 'Bow.  (Anyone up to the "excercise" of
>porting KA9Q? :-)
>
>#What is DECnet-DOS?  Where can one get it?  Would this allow one to "connect"
>#several Rainbows in a LAN if each Rainbow were running it?
>
>DECnet-DOS was a pre-cursor to Pathworks for DOS.  I've only tested it with 
>RS232 connections, since I haven't been able to scrounge up an ethernet card
>for the Rainbow (yet.)  One thing to consider (if you can obtain the software)
>is that it's only an end-node license, you'll need to have a router in the
>works somewhere, unless your net only consists of two end-nodes.
>
>Version 1.1 is/was _very basic_ in the clients/servers that were provided.

	I think, Version 1.2 was the last version of DECnet-Rainbow released.
It provided all of the standard DECnet peer-to-peer utilities still in
PATHWORKS for DOS today (including DECnet sockets).

LAN Manager based client/server file services were introduced when the VAXmate
arrived, with DECnet-DOS V2.1 and (then called) VMS Services for DOS.

	Dave Mitton
	DECnet-DOS V1.0 Designer and Project Leader
From: psyxsgp@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: EISA Alpha ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:07:43 NZDT
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

	I heard a rumour that there was an EISA board available
built around DECs Alpha chip. Is this so and if so where could I find
further information?

-- 
Stephen Pearce, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand.
ph 064-3-4740999 ext 8166 home 064-3-4763778
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu (Dwight A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Still looking for DECnet objects for 'Bow + MSDOS + DECnet
Organization: UIUC Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:17:59 GMT
Keywords: Ages and ages ago

In article <23SEP199201281456@nereid.sunquest.com> spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons) writes:

>So, a while back I asked about the availability of _other_ DECnet objects for
>my various Rainbow systems.  


NOVICE ALERT  !!!!!!!  :)

What networking options were/are available for the Rainbow?  It would appear
from the post that Rainbows _can_ be connected to a DECnet, so, more 
specifically, is there any hardware/software which would allow me to connect 
a Rainbow directly to a TCP/IP network? (e.g. thin cable ethernet card, etc.).

What is DECnet-DOS?  Where can one get it?  Would this allow one to "connect"
several Rainbows in a LAN if each Rainbow were running it?

What is DDCMP?


Dwight
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Pro 380 problems continued...
Organization: LA&W RR
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.153011.28961@cs.wright.edu> choff@cs.wright.edu (Carl C. Hoff) writes:

>P.S.  There is also another tape VS0110 which includes most of the other DECUS
>P/OS disks (as opposed to RT-11 disks).  The tape also incudes other software
>not available from DECUS on disk.  I have the tape, but have not yet moved its
>files to disk.

Could you list the contents of this?  Hopefully this contains FORTRAN,
Pascal, etc.  Thanks.
From: barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Console commands for a MicroVAX II
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:54:08 GMT
Organization: MicroMuse
In-reply-to: mattox@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu's message of 30 Sep 92 14:56:14 GMT

The kernel is /vmunix

You can copy the current one to another filename, then put your new
kernel into /vmunix and reboot.  If the new kernel is bad, you can
restore the old one.... But if the new is so bad you can't even boot
up with it, then you have to boot up off the TK50 boot tape and
fix it that way.  (It's the equivalent of booting a PC off a floppy
when the hard drive is bad.)  So I would practice booting off a
TK50 tape to be sure you are able to do so and get into a single-user
shell.
From: havemann_l@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Will RD54 drives work in PCs?
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:11:51 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Oct2.135359.11507@dsuvax.dsu.edu>, ghelmer@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Guy Helmer) writes:
> Having just removed three RD54's from our MicroVAX (replaced by CMD
> SCSI controller and 1.2Gb SCSI disks), I'd like to know whether we
> could use the old disks in IBM PC-clones with MFM controllers.  Any
> definite answers, either affirmative or negative?
> 
> -- 
> Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@dsuvax.dsu.edu

They work just fine - we have a couple of them here ourselves.  The only 
problem is that you need an MFM controller that can handle >1224 cylinders
or you only get ~130 megs out of it. You can also RLL them and get >225 megs
also...
  They are _slow_ compared to a SCSI or IDE though. You can get 200 mb drives
for ~$325 nowadays, you might want to consider selling or swapping them.

-- 

 Lee Havemann, Sys_op    HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
 Havemann_l@spcvxa.spc.edu      -      Havemann_l@spcvxa.bitnet
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: GIF viewer for DECWindows ?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.110906.855@unine.ch> Postmaster@unine.ch (Yves Perrenoud) writes:
>Hi,
>
>    Could someone tell me where I could get a GIF viewer for DECWindows?
>
>    If there isn't a GIF viewer available for DECW, could someone tell me
>how to display a GIF (i.e. converter + Image viewer)?

DECwindows is really just X11 + the usual DEC braindamage.  Any of the
image viewer programs (or any other clients) you can find in the "contrib"
directory on any X archive site (such as export.lcs.mit.edu, or ftp.uu.net)
should work fine.  You'll have to specify "-I/usr/include/mit" to compile
them though as DEC in their infinite wisdom moved the compatible include
files from their normal directories.
--
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