From: sosc1069@highway.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Cc: joe@athena.mit.edu
Organization: Comp. Sci.  York Univ.  Toronto
	<1992Dec14.221718.4168@cbnews.cb.att.com>
	<1992Dec15.083508.11603@athena.mit.edu>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:17:17 GMT

### On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:35:08 GMT, joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) said:
joe% 2) Invest heavily on the Mainland so that an invasion would be
joe% economic suicide for the Mainland.  It is true that investing on the
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	Mainland was not dead in the past days without taiwan invest.
	A civil is harmful for both sides, taiwan is worse.


joe% Mainland will make Taiwan less independent.  Heavy Taiwanese
joe% investment on the Mainland means that the Mainland will have some
joe% influence on affairs in Taiwan.  On the other hand, it means that
joe% Taiwan will have some influence on affairs in the Mainland.  Since
joe% both places will have influences and interests in the other place, it
joe% means that both will think about the actions and reactions from the
joe% other, and that you are likely to have peace break out.

	Joe, I like you above idea.


>Taiwanese will do what we can to prevent a war. 

joe% In order to prevent a war, you need to take into account the opinions
joe% and interests of all sides.  The Mainland would consider a declaration
joe% of independence extremely provocative and would likely react badly.
joe% If you would have people support the idea of a Republic of Taiwan, you
joe% will have to convince them that it will provide more benefits than
joe% risks.  Some in Taiwan, consider changing ROC to ROT good thing in and
joe% of itself.  Judging from the last election results, most do not.

joe% If you want people to die for ROT, you must explain why ROT is so good
joe% and ROC is so bad that death is called for to change it.  If you can't
joe% explain why ROT is so good and why ROC is so bad, then I don't think
joe% that you should expect people to risk their lives and livelihood for
joe% the change.

	Good arguments, Joe.


joe% My deepest desire is for peace.  I have relatives and friends on both
joe% sides of the straits.  If war breaks out, my cousins will literally be
joe% trying to kill each other.  Already once this century, war has caused
joe% members of my family to try and kill each other.  I have no wish to
joe% have it happen again.

	And with pity.

joe% But to prevent war and solve the political problem of Taiwan, all
joe% sides must recognize each others point of view and be willing to
joe% compromise.  In my view, a "two China policy" with increasing economic
joe% cooperation is the best path to peace and to a better life for peoples
joe% on both sides of the straits.  "Two China" seems acceptable to the
joe% Taiwan electorate, to the current government on Taiwan, and the
joe% People's Republic seems willing to unofficially tolerate it, if it
joe% means greater economic interlinks with the ROC.  I think it is
joe% workable compromise that will someday lead to a "one China" which will
joe% benefit those on both sides of the straits.

	Termly wrong, there won't be "TWO CHINA".  Several thousand
	years, finally there is only one China.

	Taiwan promote "yi4 guo2 liang3 fu3".  Mainland "yi4 guo2
	liang3 zhi4".  The compromise will be based on this, i.e.
	basicly "YI4 GUO2".  And they agree there is a "liang3".  So
	Chinese is wonderful to vary the meaning in one character.


>Kind of curious, China hates (or dislikes) Imperialism. And now you
>establish new Imperialism. Isn't it a shame?

joe% Do not mistake my views for those of other people.  In order to deal
joe% with a situation, I must understand the views of those I disagree
joe% strongly with.  This includes the views of the Beijing government.

joe% If I were in charge of the Beijing government, I would immediately
joe% accept Lee Deng-Hui's offer of joint PRC/ROC recognition, offer to
joe% jointly reduce the weapons in the Taiwan Straits, and set up joint
joe% committees on economic cooperation.  I would also accelerate the pace
joe% of political reform on the Mainland.  After a ten to twenty year
joe% transition period in which the Taiwan electorate can be convinced that
joe% their interests can be served by new all-Chinese government, I would
joe% have brought up the idea of abolishing both the PRC and ROC, and
joe% creating a new all-Chinese government.

joe% But I am not in charge of the Beijing government and I do not have
joe% access to the Beijing government.  I do have access to some of the
joe% Taiwan electorate and to some members of the Mainland, and so I am
joe% using this access to convince them that "two China" is the best
joe% solution to the political status of Taiwan.  

joe% I, personally, have no power.  The only way that my ideas can be
joe% accepted is by the force and logic of the arguments I present.  The
joe% only way that my ideas can be defeated is showing their flaws.

joe% Is this not the essence of what we are trying to achieve?


Mostly right, wrong at "two china".

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Ming He                                   sosc1069@reader.yorku.ca
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