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From: ford_c@cs.uwa.oz.au (Pugs)
Subject: Re: Geelong can't handle pressure
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:24:34 GMT

In <1992Sep14.074232.49187@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au> psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.133250.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> satkinso01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>>Poor old Geelong, when the pressure is on they fall apart.
>>When Brownless plays good he really plays well but when he
>>plays a bad game like on Sunday he really has a dirty game.

>I think a big reason why Brownless didn't get into the game was the
>pressure applied by the Eagles in midfield.
      [stuff deleted]

I agree with you in part. It does make it very difficult for forwards
when their midfielders are held. I also think that Ashley McIntosh
is an incredibly good player and thrashed Brownless while he was on
him. 

>>If Ablett had of kicked straight in the third quarter, Geelong
>>may of got some momentum and made a game of it.  

>I agree, Geelong's delivery into the forward line improved dramatically,
>and if Ablett had kicked 4.1 instead of 1.4 the last quarter may have
>been much more interesting.

Definitely. Better for the blood pressure of Eagles fans the way it was though.

>>I think that Geelong will bounce back and beat Footscray.
>Again I agree.  Geelong can't play that badly again, can they?
>At least they should start with Barnes in the ruck and Stoneham at
>Centre-half Forward.

I don't really think Geelong played *THAT* badly. Couch and Bairstow both
did quite well (Couch especially) and the defence held up for most of the
day. It was really that the Eagles played so well. If they play like that
in two weeks' time whoever wins the preliminary final is in trouble.
(ha)

        [stuff deleted]

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From: pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: Re: EAGLES VS CAT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:58:09 GMT

>   I'm going to the game on Sunday, will be interesting to see the
>  crowd reaction (90% for Geelong) if the Weagles win... 

>   
>   Gavin Patrick.
>   T9014192@phillip.ed.au.
 
 Would you be suprised if it was dissapointment .... IDIOT.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian,utas.sport,aus.footy
From: justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)
Subject: AFL Tips: Finals wk.2 + instructions
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:01:34 GMT


Here are the matches scheduled for the forthcoming weekend in the Australian
Football League:

Finals week 2 ('home' team always listed first)
-------------
12th September
Footscray    v.  St.Kilda           (First Semi-final, Waverley Park)
                                    <-- Note no space between 'St.' & 'Kilda'
13th September
Geelong      v.  West Coast         (Second Semi-final, MCG)

Well, this week saw two of the best finals matches I've seen in a while.
As one would expect, the finals series saw tips spread more evenly.  Geelong
were the most favoured, and after looking shaky early lived up to expect-
ations.  Hopefully next week's games will be just as exciting!

ADMINISTRIVIA:
* I will be away from Monday through Wednesday this week... so if you have
  any queries etc. feel free to Email me as usual but don't expect a reply
  until Thursday.
* As mentioned last week, if you would like to be notified of next years
  Tipping Competition via Email before Round 1 '93 (so that you are 'in'
  from the beginning), please include a line stating this with your tips...
  something like "please add me to the notification list" is eloquently
  sufficient. :-)  I have already added those who requested this last week.
* Finally, if you have any suggestions for next year, please Email them
  to justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (not the tips address).  I am the first
  to concede that this comp. is not perfect, and it is your comments that
  could help improve it.

How to play.
-----------

The instructions are simple -- send Email to
  u906586@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au

with your AFL tips in the body of the message.  Enclose your selections by
lines of THREE asterisks on their own (see example below).
Make sure you use the team's proper name (e.g. Essendon, not Bombers or Dons)
but don't worry about precise spelling: only the first four letters are looked
at, case insensitive.

You are identified by your Email address -- only one entry per address per
week is allowed.  Entries should be received by 5 pm Friday afternoons AEST
(AEST = GMT + 1000).  You don't have to play each & every week, but if you
do post selections, the software expects you to tip every game.

Each Monday or Tuesday I will post the results from Saturday, the games
scheduled for the following week, and some basic instructions for 'newies'.

Example tips (my actual ones for the second finals week):
***
St.Kilda
Geelong
***

Any enquiries should be directed to
  justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au
and not to the address for tips displayed above.

Have fun.

Justin Ridge.

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From: dacelo@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ralph Mac Nally)
Subject: Winning >=3 consecutive finals
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:11:00 GMT

There is no shortage of clubs winning 3 successive
finals to capture the flag. Four sides won the
premiership from fourth place under the Page
Final Four system (Carlton 1945, d. NM, Col, SM;
Essendon 1949, d. Col, NM, Carl; Ess 1965, d. Geel,
Coll, St K; and Rich 1969, d. Geel, Coll, Carl).
Richmond in 1973 lost the QF to Carlton, then
defeated St K, Coll, and Carl to snare the premiership.
Hawthorn in 1978 (d. Coll, NM and NM), Richmond in 1980
(d. Carl, Geel, Coll), Hawthorn in 1983 (d. Fitz,
NM, Ess), Collingwood in 1990 (d. WCE, Ess, Ess), and
Hawthorn in 1991 (d. WCE, Geel, WCE) all won three in
a row to be premiers.

Of course, all sides making the GF from the old EF
won three on end, but provided little enthusiasm on
GF day (Coll 1980, Ess 1983, Melb 1988).

So, all of the remaining four have precedents to
win three, but the Saints would have to be remarkable.

Ralph
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From: gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle)
Subject: Re: Grand Final telecast
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:31:19 GMT

Prime affiliates should almost certainly be showing the game live.
In the New England area that means NESN.
Given the time difference of 13 hours currently to East coast USA,
 that means coverage should start around 1.00 am.
Last year they were pretty bad about where they put the commercials, lets hope
they do a better job this year.

Guy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BROWN ADRIAN)
Subject: Re: Statistics
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:33:19 GMT

nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep7.171919.1@hfrd.dsto.gov.au> mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au writes:
>>The only statistic I see that has any importance is the most recent
>>to Channel 7's multitude of statistics they pile on top of us each time
>>we watch the game on telly, and that is: Centre Square Breaks.
>>
>Hello.  I run a e-mail Aussie Rules game and I've been dying to find a
>useful statistic (and kicks/balls/etc doesn't seem to cut it.)

>Could someone please explain how Centre Square Breaks is calculated, and
>perhaps a second opion or two on whether it's worthwhile?

	Well, I believe Centre Square Breaks are simply calculated at every
ruck in the centre, after a goal. The team to actually take the ball out of
the centre square ... to their own advantage, gets marked down as '1 centre
square break'. The merits of this system are obvious. Most often, if the
team has a forward who is firing, a centre square break should result in a goal.
Therefore, IMHO, a centre square break should not be counted after the umpire
has had to bounce the ball again, or play is slowed up after the initial bounce
... That is why there will not be equivalence between number of goals scored
and centre square bounces ...

Hope this helps ...

The Brown Dog.

CARN THE RAMMERS!
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From: 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS)
Subject: Ken Sheldons coaching
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:20:10 GMT

To all those people that said Ken Sheldon can't coach...
	EAT MY SHORTS!
The man has taken what was basically a one player team, little better than a 
local reserves team, and turned it into a genuine flag contender in three 
years. Sure "The Doc'" got the ball rolling, but it was Sheldon who picked 
it up and ran with it, to form one of the most skilled teams in the 
competition, from players other clubs weren't interested in!

Yes, I am a StKilda supporter, and I still admit this!

Stu.
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: why Busse why?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:02:33 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)




  Why wasn't Bernard Toohey forced to face the tribunal after that
 not so subtle knee to the head of Barnes?

  Any explanation would be welcome.

  
Gavin Patrick.
T9014192@phillip.ed.au
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From: mdipietr@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael Umberto Di Pietro)
Subject: Re: Collingwood shit hanging!
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01:47:23 GMT


How can you possibly talk !!!!!!!! An Essendon supporter. The team

that lost by the biggest margin this season, who let Hawthorn create

yet another record (you fools!!!).  At least we have a backline !!!!!!

OK, I'll grant you that our forward line needs some work (but we still

made the finals without a proper forward line !!!!!  You wait till

next year when we get back Kelly & Kelly, this new player Ashcroft

and then we'll show some forward skills.  Rocca will still be there

(he's only 18 you must remember.) and he'll be much better for 

having tasted the BIG LEAGUE so early.


	awaiting your reply (no doubt you'll bite back)......



	GOOD OLD COLLINGWOOD FOREVER.................


ps. since we're out of the race, my pick for the flag has to be

			WEST COAST EAGLES (because I enjoyed watching

	them put Hawthorn OUT !!!!!!)	
	GOOD OLD COLLINGWOOD FOREVER.................
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From: satkinso01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: West Coast Eagles
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:16:22 GMT

The difference between the Eagles this year than last year
is that they have peaked at the right time.  They learnt a
lot in seeing how Hawthorn approached the finals last year.
The Eagles hit their peak last year during rounds 4, 5 and 6
when they had to play Geelong, Essendon and Hawthorn away from 
home.  The game against Hawthorn last year when they beat them
by 80 odd points, I would rate as their best game last year.
They have learnt that finishing the season 3 games on top doesn't
mean that you have won the flag.

This year they have peaked during the finals series when it counts.
The game on Sunday would of been their best game this season.

Also the public here in Perth have learnt not to place too much 
expectation on the players.  There have been not as much public hype 
this year as there was last year.  An example of this was the Craig
Turley masks which were going to be handed out at last years home
final.  The public have become more professional in seeing what it
takes to win a flag.

The Eagles breaking their routine and going to the grand final parade
is a mistake. $25000 is a cheap price to pay if it is the difference
between winning and losing a flag.  

Eagles for the flag!!!

Jason.
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: EAGLES VS CAT
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:11:55 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


In article <RWG.12.716095486@buc.edu.au>, RWG@buc.edu.au (Rod Griffin) writes:
> I really hate both sides but hope the Eagles thrash the Cats just to shut up 
> all those pitiful Cat supporters who reckon this is going to be "Their Year"
> Some Hope. .GO DOGGIES!!

   Have you noticed how Cat supporters have started behaving in an
  irrational way just cause they won 1 final.

   I had a psychopathic Geelong supporter hijack my account yesterday
  making obscene comments about Geelong having won the flag already.	
  	
   I'm going to the game on Sunday, will be interesting to see the
  crowd reaction (90% for Geelong) if the Weagles win... 

   
   Gavin Patrick.
   T9014192@phillip.ed.au.
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From: satkinso@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Eagles vs Cats
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:51:39 GMT

Geelong will crack under pressure this Sunday and will lose
to the Eagles by 30 points.  Brownless will be held by Hepburn
and McKenna will guard Ablett.

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From: pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: Re: EAGLES VS CAT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:14:00 GMT

RWG@buc.edu.au (Rod Griffin) writes:

>I really hate both sides but hope the Eagles thrash the Cats just to shut up 
>all those pitiful Cat supporters who reckon this is going to be "Their Year"
>Some Hope. .GO DOGGIES!!

Looks like someone copped a bit of flack after the "doggies" little effort
on the M.C.G last saturday.

GO CATTERS!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Subject: Re: Statistics
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.171919.1@hfrd.dsto.gov.au> mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au writes:
> gordon@cs.uwa.oz.au (Gordon Royle) :
>
>>In my opinion the statistics are meaningless in Australian Rules.
>>
>>It seems to be an attempt to quantify a game, like baseball and 
>>American football can be quantified.
>>
>>Trouble is, it just doesn't work.
>>
>>Firstly, the statistics are usually very even - for example at the
>>end of the first quarter of the WCE/Carlton game, the stats were almost
>>the same, but the score was 30 points+ in the Eagles favour....
>>
>>Secondly, statistics like "number of handpasses" count equally a
>>constructive drive downfield and a desperate scramble deep in defence
>>where lots of useless handpasses are made. Similarly for kicks etc.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Gordon
>
>Hear, hear! Stats also don't distinguish between someone who dives into packs
>to get a hard-earned handball out (e.g. John Platten) and someone who hangs out
>wide on the wing for an easy kick (e.g. Simon Tregenza).
>

The only statistic I see that has any importance is the most recent
to Channel 7's multitude of statistics they pile on top of us each time
we watch the game on telly, and that is: Centre Square Breaks.

You can easily tell which team was on top during a particular quarter,
or over the entire game by looking at this statistic.

But on the whole, I agree with you both. The rest of the stats are 
meaningless and useless.

Andrew
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From: edb238acot@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Ken Sheldons coaching
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:43:11 GMT

In article <10616330.11.715825210@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS) writes:
> To all those people that said Ken Sheldon can't coach...
> 	EAT MY SHORTS!
> The man has taken what was basically a one player team, little better than a 
> local reserves team, and turned it into a genuine flag contender in three 
> years. Sure "The Doc'" got the ball rolling, but it was Sheldon who picked 
> it up and ran with it, to form one of the most skilled teams in the 
> competition, from players other clubs weren't interested in!
> 
> Yes, I am a StKilda supporter, and I still admit this!
> 

> Stu.


   -What coaching..havent szeen him do any so far...
   Ash
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Eagles vs Cats
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:37:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Sep9.082655.19675@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.054013.17891@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, sloan@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan) writes:
> |> In article <1992Sep9.105139.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> satkinso@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> |> >Geelong will crack under pressure this Sunday and will lose
> |> >to the Eagles by 30 points.  Brownless will be held by Hepburn
> |> >and McKenna will guard Ablett.
> |> 
> |> I'll agree with McKenna on Ablett - should be a great battle.
> |> But Hepburn holding Brownless? I don't think so.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> Davin                             e-mail: sloan@latcs1.lat.oz.au
> 
> 	Why Not? Who held Brownless in the last
> 	WCE v Geelong game?

        Brownless wasn't in form last game between WCE and Geelong.
        HE is fit now(24 goals in last 3 weeks). So is Ablet. So long WCE.
        Geelong by 43 points.
        A.J
       
> 	Somebody did.
> 	When did Brownless last score goals v WCE?
> 
> 	tom
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From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Re: And then there were 4
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:37:44 GMT

In article <92250.153755P85014@BARILVM.BITNET> P85014@BARILVM.BITNET (Anthony Waller) writes:
>
>  So, Hawthorn and Collingwood have been knocked out!  That means
>that the eventual premiers will either be first-timers (Eagles) or
>Footscray (last premiers 1962), Geelong ('63) or St.Kilda ('66).
>Good to see some "fresh blood".

	I prefer some "fresh blood" from around the mid-late seventies, but 
they must finish 11th or 12th on the ladder ....

>  Good luck to the boys from Moorabin, er Waverly - pretty good to
>get to play finals games at your "home ground".  Where is the
>Preliminary Final played these days?

	The MCG, for the first time in recent years. It has been at AFL Park
for as long as I can remember (which is only about 15 years).

				Ian


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From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Subject: Reserves Results
Organization: Earth Observations Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:18:14 GMT

Could someone in the know please post the results from the AFL Reserves finals.

Thanks

Seano.
From: trevor@bcserv.wustl.edu (Creamer (Trevor))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Grand Final telecast
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:12:30 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcserv.wustl.edu

Could some kind soul please post if/when/where the Grand Final
will be telecast in the United States.
Thanks,
       Trevor

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From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Thinking of Footscray/St Kilda
Summary: These are my musings
Keywords: finals DOGGIES DOGGIES
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:50:07 GMT

G'day Footyphiles,

       
       Since there seems to be a lot of St Kilda supporting going on, I'll just
be a little voice in the wilderness hoping for a Footscray win.

       What do we need for a Footscray win? For the first time in the last
few years, there was a huge gaping hole at half-back in the game against
Geelong. Without Wynd there was a real need. I haven't heard any injury news,
and the trudge down to the library to catch a glimpse of the "Age" is on this
morning.

       If Wynd can't play, Foster is just going to have to play in the seniors!
I can't see Footscray beating St Kilda without a decent half-back. Now I have
great fait in Kretiuk, but he is too green, tere has to be someone leading the
charge from half-back. Campbell can't keep running back up the ground, he just
left his opponent alone half the time on Sunday, and Dougie is needed to
direct things inthe forward line.

       We also need Wynd in the ruck. Charles is a good player and a great guy,
but you can't just throw a virtually new player into the ruck for a finals
game. I am the president of the Coleman fan club, but he can't hold down the
ruck as much as he was required to.

COME BACK SCOTT WYND - YOU ARE OUR ONLY HOPE.

       If Wynd and Foster can't play, I would suggest bringing Jon Ballantyne
in for Corcoran. Footscray really need another big man.

btw, what were the VSFL scores for the finals? Haven't seen any of them.

George

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From: quark@pabst.bu.edu (Paul Fu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: A.F. overseas
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: jnorton@wilkes1.wilkes.edu (Jarrod Norton)
Organization: Wilkes University

Hello...

  Once upon a time A.R. football was available in the US via my cable
system.  Now the twits have dropped it.  Does anyone out there know of
any satellite networks that carry AR football outside Australia? (i.e.
to the states)?

Many thanks...

jn