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From: mjv8557@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Mark J. Vandiver)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Organization: be41t
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:21:18 GMT

alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Eric Alter) writes:

>In article <1993Jan24.170501.21253@netcom.com>, derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:

><stuff deleted>

>|> 
>|> In my heartful opinion, you should not wash the engine at all,
>|> but steam it.  Water will cause rust, but steam wouldn't.
>|> 
>|> I'm sure you can find someplace that has steam hoses.
>|> 
>|> - Scotty
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> Scott Allen Steinbrink
>|>  
>|> NetCom: Derich@netcom.com
>|> America Online: Derichman
>|> Bitnet: 11sstein%gallua.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu 

>Since when does steam, another form of water, not cause rust?

>I would think that blasting a cool engine with water may drive some into place
>which may not dry out anytime soon.  This may cause problems 
>(electrical shorts???) when you start the car the next time.

 have washed all of my engines in all of my cars, NO PROBLEM!
I have gotten water in electrical connectors, and things don't run, or run
badly till they dry. (usually an hour or so) So don't do it if you need to go anywere.
Cover all things that could be troublesome, carb, distributor, EEC, etc. But GO FOR IT!
A clean engine disapates heat beter, is much much much nicer to work on, and is
impressive to look at. Don't wait till you can't find the spark plugs to clean it
either. It is much easier to clean if done regularly.

>-- 

>Eric Alter
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mikes@tellabs.com (Michael D. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: SHO Problems
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:52:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.180419.22407@engage.pko.dec.com>, 
sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) writes:
>devices are working.  Unfortuanately, I also have a non-functioning 
>tachometer.

This happened to my SHO after the battery died. (The tach was all the way
around underneath the stop pin at 0 RPM). If yours is in that condition, try
romping on it a few times, getting the revs into the stratosphere. Mine suddenly
came to life when I revved it to around 6,500 rpm (estimated - the tach wasn't
working until then :-).

Same thing happened to a friend's Mustang after his battery was disconnected as
well. Good luck.
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From: chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Lexus Commercials
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:04:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.185516.24247@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>In article <C1AKqn.M7K@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL GANDLER) writes:
>
>>   I think Lexus commercials are so unique and successful that many
>>   automakers including Chrysler with their LH commericals are doing 
>>   the same.
>
>In article <PHR.93Jan22234051@napa.telebit.com>,
>phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>
>>I haven't seen these commercials but ... Ford did something similar about
>>15 years ago.  They had a series of ads for some luxocruiser where they
>>did things like serve tea in the back seat.
>
>I remember those. I believe it was for the LTD or Continental. The one that
>sticks out in my mind was the one where they drive, via remote control, a
>car with a shock-triggered bomb in the front seat over some very rough terrain.
>
>Was that 15 yrs ago? I was a kid then.
>
>	-Kenny
>
   How bout the one where they circumcised (sp?) a small child in the back
seat of a luxury cruiser.  Oh, forget it, that was a Saturday Night Live
commercial spoof  :)
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From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Subject: Snow Tires on the non drivable wheels
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:02:05 GMT


A question for people in the "snow belt": Do snow tires on the non-drivable
wheels do any good ?
  I ask this because I already have snow tires on the rear wheels of my
rear-wheel-drive car (and on the front of my other, front-wheel-drive car)
and I just got an extra pair and wondered whether I should go into the 
trouble of putting them on the other (non-drivable) pair of wheels.

-- Thanks,

---- Boaz
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Transmission Question
Summary: Unusual shifter prompts question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:12:59 GMT
Keywords: transmission, auto

I've seen two cars now with this, and I was wondering if any of you folks could
explain it to me.  Both cars I've seen with this were blatant hotrods; one was
perhaps a little TOO extreme (blown 454 w/twin Holley 750's).  But anyway,
the transmission selectors on both these cars were really weird.  They had,
not one, but THREE levers!  The three all ran front-to-back in parallel.

Now, if I were to guess, I would suppose that each of these levers manually
engaged/disengaged one band of an automatic transmission.  Is this correct?
What are the benefits?  Faster shifts?  Durability?  Less power loss?  Or just
manual control?

Thanks!
Michael T. Chaffee
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ugliest Car Award
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:19:02 GMT
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In article <pebi.728083269@zephyr.aem.umn.edu> pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes:
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>>Some car magazine I checked during lunch actually discussed the ugliest
>>car ever made, and I think the winner (by leaps & bounds) was a
>>French car, I think a Renault 6. 
>
>>Or, any Citroen (i.e. 2CV to CX)
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Oh, it definetly must be just SOME magazine. Forget it!
>
>Peter

--Actually, it was in the latest issue of Road & Track (the one with the 
  purple Corvette on the cover).  This subject was briefly discussed at
  the end of the Letters to the Editor section.  You'll find a photo of
  perhaps the ugliest Citroen I've ever seen.

--Aamir Qazi


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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:51:27 GMT

In article <Jan24.220441.20526@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>
>you want my opinion you've got it: acura integra.. in all model trims
>has the worst chassis of just about any car that i've driven.  the
>fact that it is so popular and so vastly overrated just seals its fate
>for me.  
>
>there.  that should start some wildfires... heh heh heh
>

well i would not say it is the worst...but definately overpriced/underpowered.
and yes i drove a gs-r too...once you get to 5krpm it picks up...but the
price of a gsr...might as well get a diamond-star awd turbo.  and motorized
seatbelts and no airbag....windows didn't seal right on both cars i drove...
of course...i never expect them too on cars where the window has no frame to
go in...just rubber.  oh..and no torque at all low-end...car wants to 
stall everytime you take off..especially with the a/c on.  i will say though..
that the driving position and view were great.
Xref: sparky rec.autos:32776 alt.autos.rod-n-custom:446
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
Subject: Re: 1994 Pontiac GTO
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:26:23 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, JRB122@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>There was a thread on this net not to long ago imagining a '94 GTO- what
>body style, powerplant,etc.  The concepts were based on a Grand Am coupe
>with a 3.4 Twin cam v6.  This idea, though nice, would not correctly extend
>the true concept of the GTO into the '90s.  The GTO in its inception in 1964
>was a LeMans, a compact car (for the period) fitted with a huge 389 cubic
>inch engine.  Correctly extrapolating this concept to current times would
>involve fitting the current Korean built LeMans with a huge engine like the
>3.4 twin cam V6, or the supercharged Bonneville SSEi 3800 V6, yeah, yeah, or
>even Cadillac's Northstar V8!  Yeah!  We'll MAKE it fit!  I positively LOVE
>that reassuring feeling of understeer!  Yeah, and, and, 3 inch swaybars
>front and rear to keep it flat in the corners and help it achieve that skate
>board- like ride that denotes high performance.  16 inch gatorbacks keep it
>in contact with the road and provide that GRRRRUUUUHHHHH noise when parallel
>parking. 4 wheel disc brakes, too! Lookout, Viper owners, the REAL GTO is back!
>Hey, where is Chief Pontiac, anyway, is he listening?  Actually, I know I'll
>get lots of flames for this post cause so few can take a joke and will not have
>read this far. 8-)
>
>
>                                           Rob
>

joke??? what the heck? i thought it sounded like FUN! :-)
kinda like the Festiva mentioned a while back, with the SHO V6 in it....
who knows..:-)
DREW
From: steveh@bcm.tmc.edu (Alvia Stephen Higginbotham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1993 Camaro
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:45:05 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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From: tasallot@mprgate.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 03:13:17 GMT


The worste car being made has to be the current Cavaliers.  I had
a Z24 for 8 months last year and every possible thing went wrong 
with it.  In fact, GM traded me out of it after 8 months.

Definitely these Mexican/American Junkers have to take the AWARD!


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From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:34:12 GMT

In article 18856@cbnewsd.cb.att.com, hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>
>> 
>> >In Germany, where there are even fewer restrictions on importing cars than in the US
>> >(no quota, no extra taxes on light trucks), Japanese cars are almost as successful as
>> >they are in the US. 
>> 
>> I don't think so; I have the figures in the library, but I seem to remember
>> that Japanese car market share in Germany is at best in the low teens %,
>> while in the US is in the upper twenties or low thirties...
>
>
>That sounds bogus to me, too. I was in Germany two summers ago, and I asked my
>German host why there were so few Japanese cars. He stated that they are limited
>to 15% of the market, and no more. It was my impression that the common market
>is heavily protected.
>
>                                                  Larry Mayo


Well, and that sounds bogus to me. You are confusing the common market and the
individual countries. As far as cars are concerned, it is still the countries
themselves which are autonomous. So with the common market the situation ranges
from Italy and France (heavy protection agains Japanese imports), Britain (some
protection) to countries like Germany and the Netherlands (NO restrictions).
Now guess in which countries the car industry is in trouble and in which ones it isn't.

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car covers
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:52:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscnvx.1993Jan25.215216.5943
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1993Jan23.023755.12992@lds.loral.com> mcculloc@sps204.lds.loral.com (Thad McCulloch) writes:
>Any suggestions for the type of car cover I should purchase?
>Location is sunny Florida, on the west coast.  Email replies
>appreciated.

both California Car Cover & Beverly Hills Motoring Accessories carry
good car covers in both the heavy cloth with soft lining and the
'waffle' type patterns heavier duty  - check most any car realated
mag for their addresses or, if you can't find it, let me know 
by e-mail

sharen

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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bleeding Brake Lines on a Ford F-100: I need help!
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:19:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

In article <1993Jan25.215010.1@bronco.fnal.gov>, colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
wrote:
> 
> In article <13894@limey>, sheriffp@Software.Mitel.COM (Peter Sheriff) writes:
> > 
> >      The bleed nipples are 3/8" AF not metric. Use a six sided socket to
> > start the nipple moving and then put a box wrench on it to do the bleed.
> 
> The wrench has 4 1/2 (nearly five sides), I just looked at mine.
> I'd like to see you get a six-sided/box wrench over the tubing.

It's pretty easy to do, considering that he's talking about the bleeder
nipples, not the brake lines.

                tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
From: mcculloc@sps204.lds.loral.com (Thad McCulloch)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Car covers
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:37:55 GMT
Organization: Loral Data Systems

Any suggestions for the type of car cover I should purchase?
Location is sunny Florida, on the west coast.  Email replies
appreciated.
From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:08:28 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA

In article <krothman.727889636@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> krothman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ken Rothman) writes:
>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>>I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
>>group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
>>car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)
>
>My least favorite car these days has got to be the Chevy Caprice
>(and the Buick Roadmaster and the Cadillac Fleetwood)
>The design is just completely IRRESPONSIBLE.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Funny, these are my favourites. To each his own.... but, how can
you call these cars IRRESPONSIBLE (in capital letters?!)???? Is
this some kind of dig at their fuel consumption? A trivial issue
if there was ever one... but I think these things do better than
a lot of the SUVs that are even more popular... CPV 
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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: Best Car ads (was RE: Lexus Commercials)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:50:20 GMT

klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes:

>In article <1993Jan27.032452.266@mprgate.mpr.ca> tasallot@mprgate.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes:
>>Ever noticed that the Honda commercials seem real peaceful.  The music
>>is mellow, the lighting is moderate and the salesman speaks in a soft
>>easy tone.

>In a word, conservative.

>In a certain way, Honda did the right thing when they created the
>Acura division in the US.

>Personally, I like the Nissan "Bob" commercials.

Though the "Bob" commercials are great, I still think Nissan's best car com-
mercial was the one with the guy saying "If I owned a car company, I'd....."
as he describes the Sentra(?) SE-R.  The whole Thirties retro look, in the 
HUGE deco office and the guy's suit is really cool.

But the best car commercial is the one where the rich guy goes along burning
up the road in a Porsche 928 and then pulls into the driveway of his HUGE
country manor, next to I believe either a Rolls or a Bentley.  The butler
walks up to him as he climbs out and says something like, "Shall I get the
chauffeur, sir?"  The rich guy has a brief flashback of zipping along in the
Porsche, then turns to the butler and says, "Fire the chauffeur."
Still gives me chills....


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From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:39:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.020324.8083@en.ecn.purdue.edu> surge@en.ecn.purdue.edu
(PhD-in-Training) writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.173353.16295@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>>One recurring theme appears in this thread:   Larger engines are more
durable.
>>Sounds like an old adage that's long past it value.
>
>>Enough of this big block durability fable.
>>It may have been true in the past, but it doesn't cut it today.
>
>Hmm, although I am tempted to agree with the poster, I can not
>think of reasons why this would be so.  

I think the fable was that big blocks were durable AND fours were not, the
fours were not part being the important point.  Mark Shaw emphasised the wrong
part of the fable.

>Are smaller engines machined
>more precisely today while larger engines are not?  Have their
>been technology improvements that benefit only smaller engines?
>
>Clearly, there are a host of things that benefit all modern
>engines.  Chief among them are modern electronic ignition system -->
>engine mangement, and fuel injection.  Generally, the old engines of the 60s
>did not have these advantages.  I think modern engine management
>systems with knock sensors that can deliver accurate fuel/air and
>timing have a significant affect on the longer life of today's
>smaller engines.  

>Also people are changing their oil much more frequently.

What!  They should have changed it at least as frequently in the past as they
do now.  I saw a manual for an early sixties car that specified a change
interval of 1500 miles (although there was no oil filter).  The same
manufacturer now specifies 6000 mile change intervals for its new cars.

>But aren't today's large displacement V-8s a benefactor of all
>this technnology as well?  I think there can be no dispute that a
>V-8 is working a lot less harder than a four.  Seems to me if you
>change the oil every 3K miles on your modern small-block V-8, it
>should last close to 200K miles easy.  

A similarly maintained four should last close to 200K miles as well and an
equally well made V-8 should I guess last close to 400K miles.

>Perhaps this is too long
>for most people and thus is not a real benefit.

This may be the important point.  If it lasts longer than 200K miles then what
advantage is there in getting it to last even longer at the expense of using
more petrol.

>Anyone know? 

>(Anyone care? 8^)

Yup, do you care if it lasts longer than 200K miles?

Chris O'Neill

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From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock blues
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:08:49 GMT

>>claim they have.  Mazda tooted that the ABS on the second generation Rx-7
>>was and anti-kickback system.  But it's just a noisy and give just as much
>>pedel jutter as the rest of the systems I've driven.  Are there any systems
>>that have acctually gotten rid of this annoyance?

Maybe I'm in the minority here.  But I like the pedal vibration.  It gives
me feedback as to the road condition.  In the case of my Grand Prix,
the vibration depends heavily on how far you are in anti-lock mode.
Thus, I get very good feedback as to my cars traction. with the road.

However, not all anti-lock systems are this good.

I have driven three cars extensively with different anti-lock systems.
An Olds. 98, my Pontiac Grand Prix, and a Pontiac Grand AM.
Of the three, the system in my Grand Prix is the only system which gives
me feedback to the road conditions.  The System on the Olds. and on the Grand AM
don't provide feedback via the pedel vibration and sound.

The system in the Olds pushes against your foot and makes a growning sound.
The system in the Grand AM makes a clicking sound, and I can't feel any 
vibration with my foot.
The system in my Grand Prix makes a clicking sound and my the brake pedel
moves with my foot towards the floor of the car.


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From: pmc@engin.umich.edu (Paul S McClay )
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best Car ads (was RE: Lexus Commercials)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:13:33
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In article <C1J5vw.n10@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
(Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:


> [...] I still think Nissan's best car com-
> mercial was the one with the guy saying "If I owned a car company, I'd....."
> as he describes the Sentra(?) SE-R.  The whole Thirties retro look, in the 
> HUGE deco office and the guy's suit is really cool.

Did anybody see that pseudobiographical movie about Tucker?

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From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:23:17 GMT
Subject: Re: US VS. JAPAN
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA