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From: bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: LONG, Grips anyone?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.201437.5941@rice.edu> mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:
>bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!) writes:
>>I don't know that inanimate objects can be classified as evil, I doubt it,
>>anyone has any scripture references for that???
>
>Luke 19:40 - "I tell you," he replied, "if they keep silent, the stones
>	      will cry out."
>
>Genesis 1:9-10 - And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered into
>		 one place, and let dry ground appear."  And it was so.
>		 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters
>		 he calles "seas."  And God saw that it was good.
>
>(Plus many parallel passages in Genesis 1)
>
>Psalm 98:8-9 - Let the rivers clap their hands, let the mountains sing
>	       together for joy;
>	       let them sing before the Lord,
>    	       for he comes to judge the earth.
>
Nice work!  This doesn't show that objects are evil, but that, at least some,
are considered good, ....

>>>We only hurt ourselves by discounting anything not of impeccable origin.  Is
>>>it any wonder that God works through pagans nowadays, when the Church is
>>>in such disrepair?  And do not all things work to the good of those who 
>>>serve Him?    
>>No!  All thing work to the good of those who love God AND are called
>>according to His purpose.
>>(Close, but don't forget the AND, and good point)
>
>But, you see, that does not change my point.  WE ARE the ones loving
>God and called according to his purpose.  So it does not change the logic
>of my above argument - the "AND" does NOT refer to the "all things" but
>to the "those who love God."
>
Yes I realize that.  What I meant was just to put up the whole verse.
Sorry for the missunderstanding.

>>No that's not it.  I'ld rather give my money to a Christian who is attempting
>>to do the Lord's will than to a nonChristian who is not.  In most cases
>>it is a judgement call both ways though.  I see more nonChristians
>>acting like Christians should nowadays.
>
>Oh, like Amy Grant needs more money.  "Guilty by Association."

Probably not?  But if she, or those involved with the distribution of her
work, gives tithes to God, then part of the money I give her ends up
in the church from tithes.  I do not mean this as a valid reason for
buying a product, this is just an observation and my own personal
stance.  I don't use tithes as a point for validating the purchase of
music, or anything, but some direct good comes from it.

>
>Ernest Mueller


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From: jerdman@den.mmc.com (Joe Erdman 1-1432)
Subject: Re: Johnny Cash
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:43:38 GMT

In article <SCHOUTEN.92Jul24213824@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>So, like is he a christian or something?
>
>Dale schouten@uiuc.edu

I believe Jonny is a Christian.  Read the lyrics on One Bad Pig's "Man in Black"

Erdy 
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From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: Amy Grant - Antichrist or not?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:04:47 GMT

I don't mean to nitpick, but...

>If you will note, it was GOD who made the loincloths for them to cover
>their nakedness. 

Genesis 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they
             were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings
             for themselves." (NIV) 

Anyone can say something which is Biblically Incorrect.
Does this mean that Noel does not have a high view of Scriptural authority?

If not, do not condemn another on similar grounds.

Ernest Mueller
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Are there any Christian industrial bands?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:37:12 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

> Check out a band called Mortal.  They are produced by Terry Taylor, and
> the band is somewhat more intense than Skinny Puppy, but less violent than
> Ministry, and less techno than NIN.  One of the best industrial bands that
> I have heard--period--secular or Christian.  The album that I have is
> called "Lucis".  And there is no question about these guys faith--the
> lyrics are right on the money.
> 
> Well worth the trouble to find them.
 
Do you know where I can get a copy (tape)?  I went to a local Christian 
music store and they don't have it.  
 
Thanks,
Titan

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From: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Looking for info on Mastedon vocalists
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


The listing for vocalists on the Mastedon albums doesn't indicate
who sings which songs. Can anyone who is more familiar with the
vocalists involved tell me specifically who does the lead vocals
on each song?
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From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: Rumors.....
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:39:26 GMT

In article <3819@moscom.UUCP>, acb@moscom.UUCP (Amy Bourquin) writes:
|> In article <63946@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5448b@prism.gatech.EDU (James Corbett) writes:
|> >Atlanta Journal-Constitution which I just could not believe.  The article 
|> >said that Sandi Patti recently filed for divorce.  Was this just a misprint or
|> >have others heard this?
|> >-- 
|>   Apparently her husband had more ambitions for her career than she did. He
|>   being her manager. He felt a strong commitment to the fans and she to her
|>   family. 'Nuff said.                      

Well, here's the blurb from the July 19, 1992 Atlanta Journal-Constitution, in
a feature entitled "Celebrity Buzz," compiled by Mike Smith, as retrieved from
Mead Data Central's very own Lexis/Nexis service:

   QUICKIES: Grammy-winning gospel singer Sandi Patti is divorcing her husband
   of 13 years, John Helvering, citing an "irretrievable breakdown" in their
   marriage.

<Insert your own editorial here>

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From: meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:51:42 GMT
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us

Roberta Taylor observed:
>...  Even in the parable of the Prodigal Son, it's the one
>who lived the scandelous life, and repented of it, who gets the attention.
>Like the elder brother, we need to remember that, while it is wonderously
>true that God can (and does) forgive even the worst sinner who truly
>repents, He also takes great joy in those who never "make the headlines".

A friend of mine (a part time music leader <<ob.rmc.keyword 8^)
says he sometimes has a hard time with testimony because he's
always been a Christian since he was a wee little tyke.  My
response is that it encourages me that everyone doesn't *have*
to go through the garbage I went through.  Without testimonies
like that, it would have been much harder for me to agree to
have kids.

>...  For every reformed ax-murderer turned accountant, there are many,
>many everyday people who are faithfully serving Him, day in and day out,
>with out any acclaim from man.  That, to me, is the greater miracle.

Right on.  It's not the past - it's the present and the future.
If God forgives and forgets our past, and that of others, we
should as well.  Sure, we can use it as a witnessing tool, to
relate to, or encourage others.  But what else is it good for?

"Absolutely nothin!"

As I've allowed the Holy Spirit to heal me, I've actually forgotten
big pieces of my sordid past - when I've needed to remember when
trying to help someone else along the Path, He's always brought
back what I needed to remember, when I needed it.  I didn't have
to live with it every day.

Our job is to love and pray for Mike, not to condemn him.  And to
pray for all the ones who will be devastated by this.  And for God
to raise up others to do the work needed.  Maybe to even be that
work.

And to whoever talked about Mike ministering to him - me, too, man!
God's word doesn't return void, and fallen humans don't invalidate
the true works of the One who Loves us.

-Miles
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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: LONG
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.061114.5250@techbook.com> kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.202652.23711@chili.cc.lehigh.edu> learnd@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Dave Learn) writes:
>I never thought I'd find myself defending Madonna, :-) but ...
>If that's the message they get, who are you to say they're
>wrong?  A song is not the singer.  My relationship to a song is not
>anyone else's relationship to that song.  Renewal can be found in some
>odd places, if you will open yourself to look for it.  

In the desert, Satan used Scripture to tempt Jesus.  Jesus said that what
Satan was saying was WRONG.  We are not blank slates who are put here to
soak in whatever is put before us.  Scripture tells me that if someone
puts out a video that practially shows two women having intercourse, has
simulated intercourse with men on stage, and publicly denounces Christianity,
then I have every right to tell the person who says that kind of thing is
ok that he is wrong.  A song is not the singer?  Get real.  If someone else
had brought Jesus' message, would it have been the same?  When we see the
anit-Christ that Scripture tells us about , will the singer matter then?
Remember, the anti-Christ will claim to be God, but he won't be.  You
bet the singer of the song matters.  If someone is diametrically opposed
to God's will, I'd better not accept their message or I'm in trouble.
If someone has a "good relationship" with Madonna`s Like a Virgin (or
any of a number of other blatantly sinful songs), then I must seriously
question that person's spiritual health.
>
>Could any of us really pass a test like that?  God uses some very
>imperfect vessels to impart truths to the rest of us.  I'm not talking
>about Madonna, Phil Collins, or anyone else specifically--and this
>discussion doesn't have to be limited to pop music.  Why "listen to
>music...as a springboard to evangelize"?  Can't one simply listen
>to music?  Must one go digging into the lives of every artist to see
>if she or he is living just the way we think she or he ought to live?

Is this even the point?  I think that the lives of those who we let
influence us DOES matter.  If I listen to the music of a confessed
Satanist (hypothetical), will I be receiving edifying input?  Very
doubtful.  If I don't even take the time to find out if that person
is dedicated to God or not, I have failed in my responsibility to God
, myself, my intellect and my spirit.  We are told to discern.  Yes,
God uses imperfect vessels, but it is a rare case indeed that he 
uses an imperfect vessel that's opposed to His will (I know, I know,
you can find examples in Scripture where He does, but that's why I
said RARE).
>

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Educational Technology  |	to convict you?
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From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Rumors.....
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.213926.27854@meaddata.com>, johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:

> Well, here's the blurb from the July 19, 1992 Atlanta Journal-Constitution, in
> a feature entitled "Celebrity Buzz," compiled by Mike Smith, as retrieved from
> Mead Data Central's very own Lexis/Nexis service:
> 
>    QUICKIES: Grammy-winning gospel singer Sandi Patti is divorcing her husband
>    of 13 years, John Helvering, citing an "irretrievable breakdown" in their
>    marriage.
> 
         Orman!!!!!!!!!! What is going on???  Hey, we've gotta pray! Pray for all 
artists in general, especially pray that this "irretrievable breakdown" can be 
"retrieved".

           The DOK
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From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Re: Christian Ripoffs
Keywords: Weird Al, plus another thing
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:42:06 GMT

mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:

>Speaking of the Police, I just heard a song on local Christian radio called
>"Let the wind blow" or something like that.  Its style was 100% Sting.
>Does anyone know any details about the song/artist?

>Ernest Mueller


The Imperials sing "Let the Wind Blow"

I believe that is the title track from the album.


Mike

millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Need help getting the Warnke article
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:35:55 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: ras@sp1


Hey,

I am very much interested in reading the Cornerstone article on Mike
Warnke, but am on a UNIX system and can't figure out how to unzip
warnke.zip. Could someone please do one of three things?

1) e-mail an unzipped copy of the article to ras@controls.ccd.harris.com

2) tell me how to unzip warnke.zip on a UNIX platform

3) create a compressed/tarred version of it (warnke.tar.Z) and put it
   out on the ftp sight.

I would really appreciate any help. I have some friends who are skeptical
about the allegations on Warnke and since I haven't read the article for
myself, I too am a little skeptical.

Thanks in advance and God bless,

Russ

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From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Subject: Re: FTP posting of WARNKE article ===================
Originator: ras@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:30:28 GMT


In article <59233@mimsy.umd.edu>, mdtanx@cs.umd.edu (Michael D. Tan) writes:
|> 
|> Hi- 
|> 
|>  I have posted the Warnke articles from Cornerstone at
|> 
|> wuarchive.wustl.edu (in the /pub directory- warnke.zip).

I have connected with wuarchive.wustl.edu and I can't find the
warnke.zip file in the /pub directory. Has it been deleted or
anything like that? I am very interested in reading this article.

Help if you can!

|> 
|> If there are other anonymous accessible FTP sites which are
|> appropriate, I would be glad to send them there as well.
|> 
|> The file is a collection of several related articles from the
|> Cornerstone issue and have the permission of the editor
|> for distribution.
|> 
|> The End.
|> Michael Tan
|> mdtanx@cs.umd.edu
|> 
|> =============================================================
|> ...inflated with....emotional gas

Russ Soule

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From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Johnny Cash
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:10:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <26JUL92.09953966.0058@lafibm.lafayette.edu> HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.171015.8897@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>>In article <SCHOUTEN.92Jul24213824@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>>>So, like is he a christian or something?
>>>
>>>Dale schouten@uiuc.edu
>>
>>So i've been told. Not favoring "old" country music, i've never checked it
>>out.
>
>
>Not that this is a requirement or something, but I'm inclined to think
>that if One Bad Pig would give him such a prominent place on their
>album, he must be.
>
>...granted, I haven't heard the song.  I think it's called
>.
>.


hmmm....stupid computers...

I was about to say....

"Man in Black" but I'm not sure.

Granted, I've brobably missed the bulk of this conversation.

--J
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Brother to Many (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Madeleine L'Engle question
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:21:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul29.014713.9884@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
>Speaking of Madeleine L'Engle, here's a question I've never been able to
>find the answer to.  Why have I heard so much that she was Christian, or
>that her books were?  When I read "A Wrinkle in Time", the only thing I
>was able to find was a statement that Buddha, Mohammed, Christ, et al.
>were 'great shining lights of humanity' or something like that.  Certainly
>not the message Christ preached!  (Not in the NIV, anyway.  :^)  )

Hmmm...well can't vouch for that, but I can vouch for some GREAT
non-fiction that she's written, and the subject material at least of
"Many Waters" was certainly pretty cool.

Her non-fiction at least is blatanlty Christian.  I can't think of any
titles, tho.  Anyone?

--Jeff
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Subject: Re: CCM Industry Pressure
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:41:05 EST

clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>     In Dig Hay Zoose's press conferecne at Cornerstone, the drummer, Jimmy,
> mentioned this. The specific situation he related was somebody from a church
> that was sponsoring a show being shocked to hear Soundgarden comming out of a
> band member's car. Jimmy's question was "How did you know it was Soundgarden?"                           
how did i -know- DHZ listened to Soundgarden?

jason "gonna break my rusty chains..." steiner

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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:03:26 GMT

In <1992Jul28.205404.21845@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) writes:

>I am not a Baptist, I am a baptized Greek (Eastern) Orthodox
>christian.  Our theological beliefs are VERY different from the
>radical breakaway groups from Western Christianity, especially
>Baptists.  I amnot saying that we are better, just different;

Since when is the Baptist denomination a "radical breakaway group
from Western Christianity?"

>We do not accept "Speaking in tongues" as a common occurence during
>religious experiences and we view it more as a monkey see monkey do
>phenomenon.

That's not different from the Baptist view.

>We do not view Revelation as a true propecy of the end times

Quotes from Revelation chapter 1 (NIV):

v. 1 - The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
       servants what must soon take place.
vv. 17-19 - When I (John) saw him (Jesus), I fell at his feet as though
            dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not
	    be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One;
	    I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I
	    hold the keys of death and Hades. Write, therefore, what you
	    have seen, what is now and what will take place later."

IMO, if you do not believe that Revelation is true, then you do not
believe that Jesus Christ speaks truth.

>We have 9 more books in our old Testament

Proverbs 30:5,6 (NIV) - Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield
	to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or
	he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
>We venerate icons and view them as representations of events and
>beings in Heaven.

Exodus 20:4 (NIV) - You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of
	anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters
	below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the
	LORD your God, am a jealous God

From Webster's Dictionary:

venerate - to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference.
	(syn. see 'revere')

worship(2) - to regard with great, even extravagant respect, honor, or
	devotion. (syn. see 'revere')

revere - to show devoted deferential honor to: regard as worthy of great
	honor (syn. 'reverence,' 'venerate,' 'worship')

I am a Baptist, but I do not wish to imply that the Baptist denomination
is the "only true denomination" as all too often many Baptists (that I
have known) have a tendency to believe.  I am a Baptist by choice, my
personal beliefs are closest to those of the Baptists.  Therefore, I have
chosen the Baptist denomination.

For those of you who wish to post replies (or flames) regarding my 
statements, I am looking forward to reading them.  If you do have flames,
please post them to the newsgroup and don't email them to me, because I
believe that they should be as public as my statements.

In Christ.
Keith


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