From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: Tasa-arvopuheet ovat osoittautuneet korulauseiksi
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:51:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.101301.6895@sai.vtt.fi> kissa@cortex.sai.vtt.fi     (Kimmo Saarinen) writes:
>In article <By5nys.D95@news.chalmers.se> 
>d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>>In article <TORKEL.92Nov21162256@bast.sics.se> 
>>torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>>>  Going on and on about how
>>>silly it is to compare X to Nazi Germany is almost as silly as the comparison
>>>itself.
>>
>>  Well, the next time he compares Sweden to whatever, I won't bother writing 
>>anything about it. I will just crosspost it to the appropriate newsgroups and
>>see what the reaction is.
>
>Yes, go ahead and do it.
>
>At the moment when I see here a vast amount of those crossposted
>answers I'll start to send you private email, one in every hour
>24 hours per day, seven days per week. After one week I'll change
>the schedule : you'll get two personal messages per hour. After
>two weeks I double it again.
>
>Do you really want it ? The only difference is that by doing so
>that you are threatening to do you also force this audience to 
>suffer from the increasing noise in this newsgroup. I'll just
>overload your own mailbox ...
>
>I announce this publicitely because in my interests is to keep 
>this newsgroup as decent forum and the possible consequencies 
>from the Bertil's action can be that this newsgroup is soon
>full of ill natured hate mail etc. We don't want it ?

You are aware that what you are embarking on there is more
than just a step up in the still controllable discussion here?

There is a not very polite word for what you threaten to do,
and I am sure you know what it is.

If I may quote from your article:

>I announce this publicitely because in my interests is to keep
>this newsgroup as decent forum and the possible consequencies
>from the Bertil's action can be that this newsgroup is soon
>full of ill natured hate mail etc. We don't want it ?

If that really is your interest (i.e. the health of the news group)
then don't threaten with infantile behaviour. Help with the main
problem instead.

Jarmo Ryyti's behaviour has reached a point where the tolerance 
here is growing thin; let us not stretch it overmuch.

His use of the word 'genocide' has reached a point, where either
a retraction to the degree that he meant 'cultural genocide' in
the first place - which *may* or *may not* be justified, or an apology
to the Swedes is in place.

In case you missed it earlier today, here is the entry - the *complete*
entry - from the OED again.

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genocide

 . [f. Gr. ge&acu.no-j (see genus) + -cide 2.]
The deliberate and systematic extermination of an ethnic or national group. 

1944 R. Lemkin Axis Rule in Occupied Europe ix. 79 By `genocide' we mean the 
     destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group. 
1945 Sunday Times 21 Oct. 7 The United Nations' indictment of the 24 Nazi 
     leaders has brought a new word into the language-genocide.  It occurs
     in Count 3, where it is stated that all the defendants `conducted
     deliberate and systematic genocide-namely, the extermination of racial
     and national groups...' 
1951 Amer. Jrnl. Psychiatry Feb. 595/1 Genocide as defined by the United
     Nations is the direct physical destruction of another racial or
     national group. 
1962 Listener 20 Sept. 452/2 One of the things the seventeenth century
     never achieved was genocide. 
1969 Peace News 13 June 4/1 The government are..conducting cultural genocide
     by destroying this Scottish (Gaidhlig) community.
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The use of the word 'genocide' ist *not* justified. 'Cultural genocide'
may be.


Greetings,
--Mike

No smilies this time.

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