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From: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Keywords: Spam AGA Amiga
Reply-To: bnrmtl!groleau@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Francois Groleau)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Distribution: world,public
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:42:26 GMT

In article <1gsupqINN3st@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, dstuve@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David Stuve) writes:
|> [As I do my yearly check-in to advocacy to see if it's improved
|> its intellectual tone from last year's 10-year-old-mentality]
|> 
[stuff deleted...]

|> Nice job folks.  I'm disappointed that .advocacy can't measure up to
|> any of its potential.  Perhaps its time we had a comp.sys.amiga.flames
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> group where all of our 10-year-old wannabies can have their little fits,
|> and others can flame about breasts, guns, Perot, taxes, and MS-DOS machines.

	I think that's a great idea!  c.s.a.advocacy should be a constructive
group, not the endless list of whining and unrelated posts it has been deluged
with since its creation.  So how do we go about creating comp.sys.amiga.flames?

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|> MindWorks -- Advanced Amiga Software | Crescat Scientia Vita Excolatur
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Organization: City University, London
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:11:32 GMT

The figure of 100 million pc clones has been mentioned.
Is the number of C+ 64's still around 20 million or is
it more?
Also, for comparison, what is the number of Apple Macs
sold?

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From: pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:07:36 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

In <1992Dec15.233128.17479@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>REgarding the layouts - the WB seems rather simplistic, but agreeable.  The
>scrollbars aren't to my liking, still, I prefer the scroll buttons
>to be on top AND bottom.

	BUT, the Amiga's scrollbar has one thing that I seldom see elsewhere.
Tha Amiga scrollbars are proportionally big to what you see in the window.
The Mac has a square box all the time, no possibility to see how big the
file/window really is. OpenWindows on Sun has some kludge with a button
that moves on a scale that has a black line for how much is viewable.
I seem to remember that Windows use a non-proportional box, but I could
be mistaken (I used to *sell* those machines once with Windows :).

	Also, I like having the arrows at the same place, makes it easier
to hit the buttons up and down ... purely a matter of taste, so I hope
I see no more discussion on this!

		/Peter
ps. so much noise for so little interface :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Wolfenstein 3D
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:16:10 GMT

>Great,for the price of a C64, you can emulate a SID chip. Major accomplishment.

For $200.00 you can have 16 bit 44.? khz CD quality sound that will
blow an Amiga out of the water.

>3D fun for the everyone. Just think, an entire office full of game players
>nauseated from motion sickness.

You know the game is realistic when it makes you puke!


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Wolfenstein 3D
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:37:12 GMT

In article <Bz5uv0.8MJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>Great,for the price of a C64, you can emulate a SID chip.
>> Major accomplishment.

>For $200.00 you can have 16 bit 44.? khz CD quality sound that will
>blow an Amiga out of the water.

Just think, for the price of an entry-level Amiga system, you can surpass
it's 7-year old sound chip. Now a DSP on the other hand...

>>3D fun for the everyone. Just think, an entire office full of game players
>>nauseated from motion sickness.

>You know the game is realistic when it makes you puke!

I'll give you that one :).
From: jam@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James McOrmond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  The A1200 vs. A600
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:12:08 EST
Organization: Jammy's Amiga Corner BBS - Ottawa, On, Canada

In article <jm39s70.5cap@sycom.mi.org> jm39s70@sycom.mi.org (Jim Mallory) writes:

>	Unfortunately, its 700000 Amiga's per year that aren't AGA.  The A1200
>  with HD should have been the new LCD.
>
>What?!?!  And render every A500/A1000/A2000/A3000 obsulete!?!?!  You can't be 
>serious.

You can't be serious here.  No Amiga is obsolete (well, the A1000 is
heading that direction i'm sure).  New machines come out for any and ever
platform.  For some reason though, Amiga users, seem to think that they
should only ever have to buy one machine.  Wake up, new technology costs
money, and the only way we'll get better and better machines, is if people
keep upgrading.  Thats definately what i've done.  This is my 3rd Amiga,
and when I purchased each one, there were already multiple more expensive
machines.  Like the A3000T I just picked up a month or so ago.  The A4000
was already released.  I don't feel that my A3000T is at all obsolete. 
Sure, it doesn't have the latest and greatest graphic modes, but that
doesn't mean my machine can't do what its been doing all along anymore.

Jammer

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:16:37 GMT

In article <BzIB7r.L53@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>Windows is a different situation altogether.  DOS games run fine on a
>windows machine.  There is no benefit in writing for windows.  Besides
>which, windows=gui=slow(er) games.

Today, it's a different situation. Yesterday, it was: how does the Amiga
version of Sim Earth compare to the Windows version. What is this, make
the rules as we go along? :).

>OTOH, OS/2=Textmode=32 bit=multithreaded=FAST!  So there is actually a
>benefit to porting.

Why port games to OS/2 when it runs Windows and DOS games? How viable would
it be to specifically cater to a small minority of PC users when there are
tens of millions of machines running DOS and 15 million copies of Windows
floating around?

>What CPU will this 3d0 be running on?

Rumour has it that it will be RISC.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Slu Aspiks)
Subject: Re:   Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Organization: EDITOR HEKP COMPANY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:47:39 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07ha@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>Oh, would you stop ranting already, Mr. Kelly? I didn't say I could use
>only ONE editor, I said I didn't WANT to use a dozen different incompatible
>editors.  I USED that damned EDLIN. I've USED EMACS.  I've USED the editor

WHAT WRONG?  ME SHOW YOU HOW USSE EDITOR! ME LIKE YOU, YOU TYPE IS GOOD!
YOU DO GO TO EYE ARE SEE? COME TO #SLU AND ME TEECH GOOD EDITOR SKILS!
TEHN YOU KNOW MORE COMPLAIN!
>on a couple of the local PC-clone-based board, and the editor on some other
>local Amiga board.  I'm NOT using JRComm, because I'm NOT going to use it
>without paying the shareware fee, and I'm NOT going to cough up the money
>to do tha while there are other expenses that are more important to be
>paid, and while I have something that -works.  It takes TIME to learn new

RIGHT OWN PROGRAM  AND NOT PAY FEE! SLU RIGHT GOOD TERM!  ME CAN SEEND
YOU SLU-TERM IF LIKE AND NO HAVE TO PAY, SLU LIKE YOU!
>comm programs, my hard drive is full, I'm still on 1.3 [upgrade
>costs.....].. anyway, go pick on somebody else, or better still, stop
>sniping! 

YOU SOUND IN BAD MOD, ME WONDER WHY? YOUN NEED BE HAPPY, NOT SAD.

>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

HOW YOU GET DLG OUT OF NAME? 

SLU ASPIKS, SLU@NU.FSIY.REK.COM
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:55:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Dec12.135517.1851
 <jon.taylor.59.723934740@uuserv.cc.utah.edu> <10264@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>,<Bz5tF0.71L@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <Bz5tF0.71L@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>>like the high-end stuff, but face it folks, pc's can run "applications" 
>>>software BETTER than Amigas can.  
>>          ^^^^^^
>>That's WRONG! Why should they? Tell me one technical reason! (If someone
>>now comes with screen refresh rates and resolutions then let me state that
>>this has become better on PCs also only during the very last years, the
>>Amiga/Clone situation was identical before.)
>
>Why do you insist on living in the past?  Perhaps because when the
>Amiga was released it had a 4 year technology head start with the PC,
>and now they are neck in neck,and a year and a half from now it will all 
>be over.
>

Yea, I'll miss the PC's too....sigh....

:) :)

Jim
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31659 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:21763
From: pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:59:26 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd


	Feel free to have a look at my 1344*1024 virtual WB. This works
very slick for me, good enough to keep me from buying a monitor and gfx card
for megabucks for a while. (I run it in 698*556)

ftp.luth.se: pub/aminet/pix/wb/PjotrWB.lha
(or any AmiNet mirror)

		/Peter
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31853 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18883
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:34:32 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <BzKMB3.19v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
>"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.

>An A500/A600 is a toy.

Interesting enough. The A600HD is a something with a monitor, hard drive
and 2MB of RAM.

Regards,
-- 
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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From: G_THOMAS@unhh.unh.edu (Gabe Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Alpha Amigas: HUH?! Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 19 Dec 1992 01:42:55 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unhh.unh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.12

In <root.03b5@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP writes:

> 
> Personally, I'd rather have an Amiga with a Motorola chip inside, instead
> of a chip that was primarily designed to run VMS.
> 

I have a very hard time believing that the Alpha was designed primarily to
run VMS.  IF this is the case, then DEC must have a screw loose.  VMS is
VERY tightly coupled with the VAX processor.  The Alpha processor has a
completely different instruction set from the VAX processor.

Granted, there were provisions made in the Alpha processor to make running
VMS feasible, but if DEC had developed Alpha for VMS, it would have been a
completely different chip, based much more heavily on the (aging) VAX
processor architecture.

-Gabe

g_thomas@unhh.unh.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:54:46 GMT

>	KEYBOARD GARAGE AND MULTIPLE SCREENS

I don't know what a keyboard garage is,

I'm not sure if you are talking hardware or software multiple screens,
but multiple screens is done on the Mac, and perhaps has been since
it's invention.  It is also done on the PC for I don't know how long.
It's really not a monumental discovery. 

If you are talking software, the multiple screen is just an extension
of the virtual desktop concept.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31476 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18634 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:8047
From: laire@tanne.uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:33:23 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: tanne.uni-paderborn.de

bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:

>Thomas VanNess Leavitt (leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu) wrote:
>:			  aren't we getting a little impatient here?  how
>: long has 3.0 been out?  a couple of months?  geez, half of us are still
>: operating on 1.3!!!

>I'm sorry, but that's that half's fault. I'm running 2.1 on my 3000. Those
>who don't upgrade are going to find increasingly smaller software base
>compatible with their systems. (except for games that usually run in
>anything, since they throw any OS that is hanging around out the window)

>3.0 has nothing to do with the general improvement of the OS. It's a
>release for support of the AGA chipset. 3.1 will be important, because

That's not correct. 3.0 gfx and layers are a lot faster! There are a lot
improvement to Gadtools and expecially new graphics.library functions
to offer PEN Sharing and a more RTG compatible way.
WB 3.0 offers some improved Prefs to 2.1 and IMPORTANT the DataType
concept and you can use the DC Filesystem..


I wouldn't call this: nothing to do with general improvement...


Regards..
-- 
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University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000/040 compatibility List
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:11:17 GMT
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

anyone out there compiled a compatibility list of software that
will and won't work on the 4000/040.  Anf if it does work , wht tweeking
is necessary to get it to work (Nocache,ECS emulation, etc...)


If there is not one of these out there, I will begin working on one.


Jim
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:56:16 GMT

In article <1grm1iINN8mr@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.043813.20480@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>:In article <1gre1vINNbdm@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>:>In article <BzFK3K.653@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>:>:>I'll bet the comment referred to the fact that Commodore is leading the
>:>:>damn way and the other folks are just now waking up.  I can remember when
>:>:>IBM said you didn't need color or gfx for computers because all the "real"
>:>:>applications were text based. 
>:>:
>:>:At the time they were right.  At the time all of the software that
>:>:sold..or sold hardware, were text based.
>:>
>:>At least until the Amiga came along and made a new standard and people
>:>said "Hey, I wan't that too!"
>
>:Ho ho, but that's just not true! :-)
>
>So you're trying to tell me that when the Amiga was introduced with
>graphics a standard on the machine and 8 bit 4 channel true stereo sound
>and could multitask on 256K RAM which was well beyond IBM/compat standard
>technology at the time at a cheaper price, that it had NO influence in
>the them investing in R&D to get equal and better technology, I just
>have to sit back and laugh at your logic.

Nope.  It was the Mac.  And it took several years before Windows 3.0 came
along and kicked butt.  At the time, all the great apps were text based for
PCs.  Just like today, any advantages the Amiga has are irrelevant.  Unfortunate
?  perhaps.

>	Robert Fentiman
>UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
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 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:31:35 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.041029.9962@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:
>>tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>>
>[Dan says the WB2.0 looks *awful*]

>>>Let's be fair: what screen shot are you referring to? Many of the images are
>>>either software which does not take advantage of 2.0 (1.3 hold-outs),
>>>aren't style-guide compliant, or are taken from low-resolution displays.
>>
>>>In fact, in the January issue, you'd have a hard time coming up with anything
>>>that didn't fit into the above categories. Unfortunately, most of us feel
>>>the same way you do.
>>
>>Exactly!  There is not even one wb 2.0 shot in the entire january 93 issue
>>of amigaworld.  So what in the world are you talking about?
>>
>>But then again we don't have to worry about the workbench too much.
>>Becuase we have the apps open their private screens.  
>>Myself I really don't really interact on the wb more than to open shells
>>and start apps.  All else works in the csh shell and private screens.

>Wow, this sort of comment REALLY points out some Amiga inadequecies:

>1) Apps have private screens.  This shoots to hell an enforcement of
>commonality between apps.  What a wild blend of software that designs its
>own interface.  Woo woo.

>2) It seems beyond me that Amigaworld, *AMIGA*World, wouldn't have shots of the
>Workbench.  Think about it.  What a farce that the Amiga GUI is so irrelevant,
>being some kind of program loader, that it isn't touted.  Sheesh.  You can't
>do that with Windows or OS/2.  The basic structure of windows are all the same.
>You can't help but see the basic of Windows/OS/2 by looking at screen shots of
>Windows or OS/2 screen shots.

>Hopefully, HOPEFULLY, hires and HI color workbenchs are worth using.  And some
>Amigans tout the BLAZING SPEED of the WB?!  Good grief! I sure would hope so,
>to lauch a program to be able to stop looking at it.

What is your obsession with using only one screen.  
And what is mine with answering everyone ofyour replies.That is what the amiga
was made for.  You hit the amiga-M key and you switch screens, or you use the
mouse and hit the gadget in the top right corner.  Very convenient.
And I think having apps to build their own style screens is good, it gives
it some character for each app.  I am not to say the WB is blazing speed,
except to say that I can get thinks launched quickly and very easily on
the workbench, and then go back to it while that app screen is open I can
open another different app screen, heck I often have 5 screens open, and
can converse them very easily.

Martin

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From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: Emulatin' the GS s'more, mon
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:13:46 GMT

In article <TOMSTER.92Dec15181113@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> tomster@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Thomas Richard Dibble) writes:
>Kinda off the subject, but it seems I heard somewhere that the
>Powerbooks are manufactured by Sony, in Japan.

My PowerBook 160 says "Assembled in USA" on the bottom.  I'm sure that
there are foreign-made parts, but its assembled in this country.

Chuck
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: IBM, what's wrong?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:07:39 GMT

Sorry.. I know this doesn't strictly belong in c.s.a.a. (but hey, surely more
relavant than the threads about legalizing drugs, firearms, etc. ;) Are IBM
and Dec history? I just read that IBM's stock fell to an 11-year low (a $6
billion loss in market value) and that it's probably going to drop even more
in the coming weeks. Not only massive job cuts, but with IBM cutting 1 billion
in R&D in addition.. how bad of shape is IBM in exactly? Are investors
overreacting just a bit? What shocked me the most was reading that IBM's
market value at $29.77 billion is no longer that much bigger than Microsoft's
at $23.68 billion. Oh..  more importantly, are IBM's troubles going to have
an impact on the development of the PowerPC?  (sorry if this is sounding like
a Marc Barrett style article) Also, is there a newsgroup where what I've just
mentioned is being discussed?

To bring this a little closer to the tradition of .advocacy..  so MARC BARRETT,
if you read something like this about a company named Commodore, I'd expect to
see a 10 page diatribe about how C= is doomed. But since this is IBM, which
you have been so fond of recently (praising their ValuePoint computers and
laser printers) I'll be surprised if I don't hear a zealous defense of IBM
on your part.

Francis