From: laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: People who pursue democracy and human rights.
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:45:00 GMT
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In article <75692@ut-emx.uucp>, joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes...
>In article <1992Jul10.032339.41437@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wavelet@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: 
>This is what I'm saying.
> 
>1. Political movements come from social problems.
>2. The independence movements in most of Africa and Asia came from the 
>   social problem of racial discrimination.
>3. The Taiwan independence movement originally came about because of the 
>   social problems of an oppressive government and discrimination against 
>   BSR.  The first is now much less of a problem, and the second problem 
>   is now non-existent.
 =  You neglect that KMT also oppress the Summer-Tide " Shia4 Chou2 " who are
    Unification advocators . Writer Chen2 In4 Jen1 was put to jail because of
    his unification claim in 1969 . 
    There's a lot of social movements in Taiwan : Envirmental protection ,
    Aborginial movement , Non-housing movement , Labor right movement .....
    none of them will lead toward TI , this highly political issue .
    As a matter of fact , TI is going stronger after 1986 , when KMT began
    its political reform , and even stronger after opening travel to China .
    The other point , how would you say about the independence waves these
    days ? Do they suffered the racial-discrimination as Africa and Asia ?
    From your point , Africian Americans will search for Independence state
    in USA , but they didn't and don't , Check out the NAACP and Martin Luther
    King's claim in the 60'. Even the most radical wing : Black Leppord Party ,
    it just claim that it has the right of using force to protect Black people .

>>         TI= Taiwan independence. It is a political movement.
> 
>Some TIers disagree with you.  I'll leave it to you people to sort out
>what the TI movement is.

  = There are many aspects of TI movement , but the most common ground is they
    want Taiwan to be indept politically and diplomatically . 

>And how will "independence" solve that?  It seems that the only way to
>affect the Mainland governments views is to try and change it.  That
>seems to require less "independence" and more "interdependence".
  = If Taiwan is that strong that Taiwan can affect China in the way Taiwan want
    , then Taiwan can be an indept country without problem .
    The pratical way to do this is mind our own business well first then talk 
    about others such as Affecting China , Recovering China ........ If Taiwan
    needs China more China needs Taiwan as some people said " The future of 
    Taiwan is in China " , then how can Taiwan affect China in Taiwan's favorite
    way ?
    " Taiwan's future is in China , so all we can do is try to affect China and
    the present time that Taiwan can do is wait " This argument is just putting
    Taiwan in the Time-Tunnel between past and future . What happen if CCP holds
    power for next 300 years ? Or the succeeding goverment is even brutal than 
    CCP ? Will Taiwan still wait ?



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