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From: c3b-as@po.berkeley.edu 
Subject: Re: Help regarding scoring
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:19:19 GMT


>I'm new to the game of tennis......
>Could someone please explain how scoring is done in Tennis?

To anyone who is new to the game,

	Hopefully I can help explain scoring system.

	First of all, female players play the best of three sets while the
male players play the best of five (in some smaller tournaments, they play 
three).

	Inside a match, it consists of sets, games and points.  The points go
from 0(love), 15, 30, 40 and game (in that order).  If a player hits a clear
winner or the opponent makes mistake, then the point goes to the player.
If the score is 30-40, it is called a "break point". 15-30 is called "double
break point" and 0-40 is called "triple break point".

	If the score is 40-40, then this is "deuce".  One player must win by
two points in this situation.  Whoever wins 6 games first and win by two 
games, will win the set.  For example, if it is 5-5 in games, then a player
need to win by two games, like 7-5, 8-6, and so on.  Some tournaments have no
tiebreaker, but most do.  "Tiebreaker" means if it is 6-6 in games, the 
players will play a mini-game to decide who takes the set. Whoever wins the 
first 7 points and wins by 2 points will win the tiebreaker.  The players will
alternate serves to insure fairness, and they will switch sides every 6 pts 
that had been played.

More definitions:  "Hold Serve": Server wins the game.
		   "Breaks"(maybe use in some other ways): Receiver wins 
							   the game.
		   "Ace" : When the player cannot receive the serve.

There should be more terms, but I can't think of them at the moment.

I hope this article is helpful.  Good Luck

-- Connie (c3b-as@po.berkeley.edu)
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From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Subject: Re: Lendl Withdraws from the ATP Final
Originator: tim@mercury
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:13:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.013742.2266@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:

>Sorry, bad news all over the place today, except for Krajicek fans,
>I guess. :-)

I think that is a right observation. [*VERY* big smile]

Can somebody inform me about the way he defeated Courier and
Woodforde?

I do appreciate the posting of the results very much, but I think that
it is a pity that only now and then reports on tennis matches are
posted. Of course, I realize that we are all volunteers and that I
should be happy that results are posted. So, I do understand that
asking for 4 pages of reports, analyses, etc. is not realistic, but
maybe one or two lines on each match could be included. Something like:

Puthoven - Becker 6-0 6-0 6-0

[Although Becker had the best of the game he failed to make this match
HIS match. Puthoven won mainly because of his great back hand.]

Maybe a bit longer, but this will give interested readers an idea of
why the results are what they are (or: aren't what they should be).

Regards,

Tim

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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: ATP Championships, semifinals (spoilers)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:42:31 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@periodic.eng.umd.edu


    I have no idea if this will post.   The news server has been acting
up every now  and then.   Spoilers....

    I missed the match between Sampras and Courier, but Courier won
7-6, 7-6.   I think this is the only other time he has beaten Pete
Sampras.   The first time was when he beat him in the US Open in 1991.

    ESPN also skipped a lot of the Becker-Ivanisevic match, televising
the third set, after Goran won the first 6-4, and Becker won the
second, 6-4.   Both men held their serves all the way to the tie-break,
if I recall.   Becker looked pretty solid throughout this set, but
Goran kept it even.   The tie-break had Becker running to a 6-3 lead
with Goran then serving two more aces (he served 4 of 5 aces up unitl
then).   Unfortunately, I was sort of flipping channels (!), and
missed some of the later points.   Becker was able to play a great
saving volley where he fell down, got up, and hit another winning
volley to win the match.

   Becker faces Courier in the final.   Courier has never beated Becker.
ESPN will televise this at 4 pm, Eastern time, in the USA (any other
countries that pick up ESPN).

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tournament Results: Nov 15
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:20:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: knex.yoRauB1w165w
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

$1.1 MILLION EUROPEAN COMMUNITY CHAMPIONSHIP
AT ANTWERP, BELGIUM
SUNDAY'S RESULT  
FINAL
-----
Richard Krajicek (6) d. Mark Woodforde, 6-2,6-2
 
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From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tournament Update: Nov 22pm
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:56:41 EST
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

$2.5 MILLION ATP CHAMPIONSHIP
AT FRANKFURT, GERMANY
SUNDAY'S RESULT  
FINALS
------
Boris Becker (7) d. Jim Courier (1), 6-4,6-3,7-5

Boris is now 6-0 against Courier!

Good birthday present for Boris. (turned 25). Million dollars, a great 
win before the home crowd. And a promising 93, if he keeps his focus 
on Tennis. He moves from #7 to #5 in the ranking.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
$3 MILLION VIRGINIA SLIMS CHAMPIONSHIP
 
FINALS
------
Monica Seles (1) d. Martina Navratilova (4), 7-5,6-3,6-1

Seles received $250,000 by winning the only women's event that
features a best three-of-five set final for the third straight
time. Seles already got the year-end number one ranking
and a $500,000 bonus for achieving the top spot in the Kraft
standings. 

The first set was pretty even, before Martina broke Seles in the
ninth game and had a chance to serve for the set. Seles broke back,
held her serve and then broke again to take the set. Martina started
great in the second by leading 3-1, but then Seles got down to 
business to take the next 8 games and 11 of the 12 in the match!

Excellent year for Seles:
She won 10 of 15 tournaments. (in fact she has reached the final of 30
                               of the last 31 tournaments)
Match record: 70-5 (has won her last 19 matches)

Impressive.
 
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ATP Finals Spoiler
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:22:52 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

ATP tour finals result:

Boris Becker (5) defeated Jim Courier (1) in straight sets.
Score: 6-4, 6-3, 7-5

It's Boris's birthday and the crowd cheering him for every point, Boris really
played well attacking at every opportunity.  Actually, Jim played pretty well
making very little unforced errors.  But it was Boris's day and Jim couldn't
stop it.  

The first set went on serve until they were 3-3.  Then Boris broke Jim and
that was it for the first set.

The second set went on a similar fashion but Boris broke Courier twice once
in the seventh game and once in the last game of the set.

Jim started the third set pretty well by breaking Boris for the first time in
the match.  But, Boris immediately broke back to even at 1-1.  Both players
gave each other break points but there were no more breaks until the match
winning 12th game.  Boris broke Jim in the final game and won the
championship.  

Well played Boris.  Keep it up.  

Jim remains World no. 1.  I think Boris will also stay at no. 5.

Tough year ahead for Jim.  He has to defend his Australian Open title.
Hopefully Boris should do well next year considering the talent he showed
today.  I haven't seen Boris in such a form for quite a looooong time.

Siva

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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: INFO ON TENNIS CLUBS.
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

-> we did play quite a few times. However, here's winter and we can't be
-> out there anymore. We live in the Southfield area. If anyone knows
-> any clubs we can join in Southfield, Ferndale or any place nearby
-> where we could play tennis over the winter (indoor ofcourse) and
-> maybe the

Don't give up yet!!!  As long as your hands aren't too cold, you can
play until January.  I've arranged my schedule so that I leave work at
3pm and am on the court by 3:45.  My partner and I can get in about an
hour this way three times a week.  So long as the wind is low, you can
get away with it.

However, if you really want to play indoors, plan to pay a lot of money
for very little time on court.  Season costs vary between 700-1700
dollars.  The cost generally depends on the TIME you play and is most
expensive from about 4pm till 10 pm on a sliding scale.  Early morning
and late night are the cheapest times (except on the weekend).   You
generally get 1 hour court time per week for the season price for 27 or
28 weeks.  You can split the money any way you chose between many
people.  Try to find a place that still has time left open and maybe you
can get something of a deal out of them - $7-9 per hour.  Good luck.

J
                                                     
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From: mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: ATP Championships, semifinals (spoilers)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:36:32 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Nov21.224231.17249@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
> Becker was able to play a great
>saving volley where he fell down, got up, and hit another winning
>volley to win the match.
>
>   Becker faces Courier in the final.   Courier has never beated Becker.
>ESPN will televise this at 4 pm, Eastern time, in the USA (any other
>countries that pick up ESPN).
>
>--
>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu
>

What time is it?  It's BOOM BOOM time!!  :)

(Sorry, just couldn't resist the urge!)

                                               From a diehard Becker fan.
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From: dklee@cs.umd.edu (Dennis Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Edberg-Sampras SPOILER
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:21:43 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Pete Sampras bt Stefan Edberg 6-3, 3-6, 7-5.

Haven't heard about the Korda-Becker match yet.
>Dennis.
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Women and Men (Re: Virginia Slims Spoiler)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:32:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.233108.22585@eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
> 
>     It's all a matter of perspective really.   Either, men's tennis
> is like women's tennis without the top six women, or men's tennis is
> like the top six women.

It is NOT a matter of perspective. Men's tennis is like tennis
without the women. Women's tennis is like tennis without the men.
Mixed doubles is tennis with both women and men. :-)
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
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From: haas@wam.umd.edu (The Future Mr. Graf)
Subject: Tennis Gifs...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:29:23 GMT

Ok, someone was bound to do it, so I figure I may as well be the one.
I am going to be purchasing a Windows Video Card for my PC soon, with 
the intention of screen grabbing various tennis matches.  This will 
create very nice tennis GIFs, but I don't know whether posting them 
would be legal.  Do I have to get permission from the individual 
channels televising it?  If I were to create these pics, would the 
people on this board want semiregular posts?  Would you want to 
create a group like REC.SPORT.TENNIS.PICS?  Let me know...

Jeffrey

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From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: News, Nov 19
Summary: Virginia Slims Results and Schedule
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:27:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I've had trouble posting news, which is why I haven't seemingly posted too
much.  I'm trying usa distribution for superstitious reasons.

First off, I have doubles results for last weekend's matches.  Rather than
retyping results, you can e-mail me if you want to know the scores.

Others reported in detail the Frankfurt news, so here's the VS news.
First, singles match results, 1st round:

  + Sanchez Vic.(5) d. Garrison    7-6 6-1
  + Capriati(7) d. Sukova          7-6 6-1
  + Sabatini(3) d. Frazier         6-0 6-2

Tonights QF matchups:

  + Seles vs. Novotna
  + Navratilova vs. Sanchez Vicario

Tomorrow Night:

  + Sabatini vs. Capriati
  + Martinez vs. McNeil


Brief commentary on last night's matches... After the McNeil vs. Graf
match anything to be shown last night would be dull in comparison.
In the Capriati vs. Sukova match, Sukova played well in the first set,
mixing up her serves and volleying fairly well.  There was one break
of serve each in the first set.  After losing the tiebreak, Sukova
looked and played a bit discouraged, whereas Capriati picked up her
intensity and game, hitting some very good passing shots and effectively
attacking Sukova's second serve, especially toward the end.

In the Sabatini vs. Frazier match, Frazier (who is essentially a 
baseliner) commited a lot of unforced errors, probably a combination
of nerves and maybe going for too much.  Early in the second set
it looked like Frazier might make a comeback, but that period was
short-lived.  An easy victory for Sabatini.

The Sanchez Vicario vs. Garrison match wasn't broadcast on TV.  The
report here is that Garrison was up 5-2 in the forst set and served
for it twice, but committed some errors and allowed Sanchez Vicario
into the match.  From them on it was all Sanchez Vicario (the tie-break
score was 7-0).

..Chris

-- 
Christopher Smith, Georgia Tech (Atlanta)          csmith@cc.gatech.edu
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Lendl Withdraws from the ATP Final
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:37:42 GMT

Because of a groin injury, Ivan Lendl withdrew from the ATP Final
in Frankfurt :-(.  Earlier, Agassi had declined to be the alternate
(does he have an injury himself?). Krajicek, who just won the EC
Championship, replaces Lendl and will compete in the Rod Laver group
along with Courier, Ivanisevic and Chang.

Moreover, Boris Becker got ill over the weekend and is also somewhat
doubtful. :-(  Hope he'll make it.

Sorry, bad news all over the place today, except for Krajicek fans,
I guess. :-)
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Davis Cup Coaching
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:20:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.184649.21119@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:

>>From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)

>>I think a similar situation happened when Swedan played England
>>at the Davis Cup. Stefan Edberg's regular coach Tony Roche is also
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
>>England's team captain/coach. I think Roche told his players to
>>attack Edberg's forehand or something like that. Must be a tough
>>situation for him.

>Shun, you KNOW that Edberg's long-time coach is British Tony Pickard,
>NOT Tony Roche.  Tony Roche is Australian and is Lendl's coach.
>Yes, I think it must have been a tough situation for Pickard to 
>coach again Edberg.  These two apparently have an almost father-and-
>son-like relationship.

Thanks for the correction. I got mixed up by the names. I did mean
Tony Pickard in my example.

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-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: eddie@chpc.utexas.edu (Eddie Hedges)
Subject: Re: Demo's
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:23:36 GMT

In article <69848@cup.portal.com>, gb@cup.portal.com (Greg A Buechler) writes:
> Quick question here...
> 
> Tonight my club is having a demo day sponsored by Wilson.  Has anyone been
> to one of these events?  What's the best way to get the most out of them?
> What should I avoid? etc., etc., etc.  
> 
> Please post or e-mail responses
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> gb

 I've been to 2 Wilson demos at a local tennis center and two Prince demos
at a local country club. All four had at least 5 different drills lasting
10 to 15 minutes long. They want you to DEMO their RACKETS and of cource
have fun. Everyone participating has a chance to win hats, t-shirts, wrist
bands and rackets. IMPORTANT----> I just remembered something...Last week
I could have won a Prince racket If I had had a P on the strings of my
racket. Our tennis organization had our annual meeting at a country club
and the Prince representative had a bunch of rackets on the court and
one of the first things he did was look around the crowd (maybe to make
sure no one had the manufactures' logo on the strings) and then announce
that he would give away one of the rackets to a person with the logo
on the strings. Good luck!
 Something to consider is a place to store your watch, wallet etc.
I go to these events to socialize and most of all have fun. Winning
prizes is really secondary. Honest!
 Things to avoid...fatty foods and grumpy people :-)
Eddie
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Virginia Slim Championship, Nov 17 results (SPOILER)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:28:35 GMT

Lori McNeil d. Steffi Graf: 7-6 (7-1), 6-4  <===============

A major upset, and I happened to be at Madison Square Garden
to witness it. It is very surprising since Graf beat McNeil
easily in their recent meetings. Three weeks ago at Brighton,
also on carpet, Graf won easily 6-1, 6-1. Moreover, she was
reportedly playing very well in Philadelphia just last week.

The strange thing about this match was that Graf started the match
very well and quickly led 4-0. She was coming to the net and the
top-spin backhand was working. I was very impressed. Just as I
thought it was going to be a quick match, Graf was broken to 4-1,
and then she broke back to 5-1. From that point on, it was like
a totally different match. McNeil was dominating the net and Graf's
passing shots weren't working at all, from both the forehand and
backhand sides. McNeil won four games in a row to tie the set at 5-5.
In the tie break after 6-6, McNeil quickly jumped to a 6-1 lead
and Graf double faulted at set point. In the second set, Graf led
2-0 and 4-2. But clearly, things weren't working for her at all.

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-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Help regarding scoring
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:21:13 GMT



   I'm new to the game of tennis.  Was watching a tennis match on TV and
got hooked.  Could someone please explain how scoring is done in Tennis,
please?  Thanx in advance.


Rodney Ho

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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Virginia Slims Spoiler
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:07:14 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@capacitance.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Nov22.200247.22659@nmsu.edu>, ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM) writes:
>Monica Seles (1) defeated Martina Navratilova (4) 
>Score: 7-5, 6-3, 6-1

   I saw bits and pieces of this match (a big problem with remote control and
flipping the channels).    Anyway, I saw the match from the second set on,
and Seles began to crush Martina.   It's hard to believe that Seles can
hit so many hard shots and not miss.    The only way Martina could win
was not to miss herself, and she wasn't up to the task.

    I'm beginning to think that men's tennis really has nothing compared
to Seles (and possibly Graf).   Martina has one of the better women's serve
but after a while it didn't even faze Seles.  She seemed able to pick
up her serve better as the match went along.   Men's tennis, by contrast,
really has no one (not even Agassi) who can just bang back returns no
matter how big the serve.   Neither Courier nor Agassi have the kind of
consistency that Monica has.   This match was unreal.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  )
Subject: Edberg - Korda  6:3, 7:6(11:9)
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:17:34 GMT

PK had 4 or 5 breakpoints in the first set, but couldn't use them.
He hit very good returns, but unfortunately had some critical decisions
against him at the end of the first and the beginning of the 2nd set,
therefore double-faulted from irritation.

SE didn't appear at the net too often, due to the long shots of PK. He had
some problems with his 1st servive, but an early break in the 1st set
which was enough to win it.

In the 2nd set PK won two of his games "to love". When it was 5:5, SE had
3 breakpoints, PK double-faulted again and that was it.
In the 11th game SE double-faulted, then 0:30, and PK got his immediate
rebreak.

The tiebreak went straight up to 8:8, then SE had a minibreak, couldn't
decide to use his first matchpoint, but got the next minibreak for 11:9.