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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:53:43 EDT
From: Dave Gerber <DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Kill 'Em All CD missing songs

In article <Bto1zt.67@acsu.buffalo.edu>, you say:
>
>In article <92240.171824DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu>, DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu (Dave
>Gerber) writes...
>>     my Kill 'Em All tape bit the dust so I picked up the CD on my way home
>>from work the other day.  When I got home and opened it, I discovered that
>>Am I Evil and Blitzkrieg weren't on the CD.  =(
>>   etc, etc, etc....

>        You probably got the original Kill 'em All which was released by
>Megaforce records, but when Metallica signed with Elecktra, all of the old
>Megaforce records were taken off the market, and the new Elecktra version
>which
>includes Blitzkrieg and Am I Evil wqs put on the market.  I have an original
>Megaforce copy too, and I think that they may be worth more than the Elecktra
>version which has been flooded into the market since Metallica became a major
>band and came out from the underground.
>        Hope this was helpful.
>                                        Jason

The CD I got says Elecktra on its edge, but on the back it has both the
Elecktra and the Megaforce logos...maybe Elecktra re-release the old
Megaforce version for some reason?  Anyone???

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From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Creeping Death/Jump in the Fire CD
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:35:45 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug31.145007.14399@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Kevin.J.Feury@dartmouth.edu (Kevin J. Feury) writes:
>In article <5287@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
>pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson) writes:
>
>> Does anyone know anything about the _Creeping Death/Jump in the Fire_
>> CD that contains : 	1. Creeping Death
>> 			2. Am I Evil?
>> 			3. Blitzkrieg
>> 			4. Jump in the Fire
>> 			5. Seek and Destroy (live)
>> 			6. Phantom Lord (live)
>> 
>> The CD was printed in Germany on the Vertigo label.  Info. on why the
>> CD was made, value, and rarity would be nice.
>> 
>> thanks
>this is a compilation of two separate issues. the first is the original
>'garage days revisited' release, featuring "creeping death", "am i
>evil" and "blitzkrieg". i think it was originally issued in either '82
>or '83 after the release of KEA and before RTL. the original KEA didn't
>have 'am i evil' or 'blitkrieg' and 'creeping death', while a live
>performance favorite, hadn't as yet been released on album, this was a
>prime opportunity to release a single with two b-side covers... the
>second part, with 'jump in the fire' and the two live tracks was
>originally part of the "music for nations" distribution (i have the
>original cassette with all three tracks on both sides) and was
>metallica's first single (1982) (and far more commercial than anything
>off METALLICA might i add!) later, (1990 i think?) some genius got the
>two together and relased them on album cassette and cd. i had a friend
>of mine in germany send it to me for about $8 (american) but i've seen
>it lurking here in import stores for as much as $23.
>
>hope it helps.
>
>-kev.
>
>==========================================
>they say that life's a carousel
>spinning fast you've got to ride it well
>the world is full of kings and queens
>who blind your eyes then steal your dreams
>it's heaven and hell, oh well!!
>==========================================

I bought my copy of the Creeping Death 12" the same day I bought RTL. They came
into the stores around here at the same time. Was it released before RTL?

					--Judex--
From: mystical@nmt.edu (Gurupartap Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: James' finger?????
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:16:13 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech

In article <1992Sep1.182857.23699@dvorak.amd.com> jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka) writes:
>I just heard that James Hetfield hurt his finger and
>they don't know how long it will be until he can play
>again. 
>
>Can anyone out there verify this (hopefully not!)
>I am going to be really f***ing pissed if this is
>true because I am going to see the show in Dallas
>this weekend.

James has burns on his arm and face and is wearing a big spandex cast/bandage
type thing.  No, he is not playing guitar...he is just singing.  the guy
from metal church is playing his guitar part.  Don't worry, though...
I just saw them in Las Cruces (New Mexico) and they gave a fuckin bad-ass show
James sings a hell of a lot better without the guitar on, and he runs around
all over  the stage and    into  the crowd instead  of  staying   at the mic 
stand all night.  
BTW, if you didn't know already, he got the burns from the stage pyrotechnics
and I can see why...even from down on the floor,  those things will give you 
a sunburn.  Just watch out for the verse near the end of "One" where he sings
"landmine" :)
All in all, they gave a way better show  than G n' R (Although Axl was cool
when he chucked his wireless mic into the crowd)

"We'll never stop, we'll never quit 'cause we're Metallica"
--guess
From: kevin.christensen@madness.network23.com (Kevin Christensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: RE: METALLICA TAPES NEEDE
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: kevin.christensen@madness.network23.com (Kevin Christensen) 


-> Well I have the concert on tape.  I taped it, the quality isn't the
-> best , but you can understand them.

The quality "isn't the best"???  That's a bit of an understatement,
isn't it Mike??
                                                            
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: To mosh, or not to mosh
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.010836.42671@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, schrandt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I just got my tickets to the September 17 show at Arrowhead Stadium in
>KC and I'm really ready to blow off some steam.  The person who called
>for tickets (a converted Country-western fan) said we got Gen.
>Admission on the field.  I'm curious about something.  To all who've
>seen this tour so far, were there chairs in G.A. or was there an
>active mosh pit.  I'm hoping for the latter, just so that I can watch
>the faces of all the "new fans" when MetallicA fu*king destroys the
>myth that they sold out (at least as far as playing in concert).  I 
>especially want to see anything from MOP, their best stuff IMHO, and
>watch the teeny-bops and their parents gasp (insert James laughing at
>the end of "Master of Puppets").

I saw Metallica and the Grateful Dead (no, not together!) in two of the same
places this year.   On the spring tour, they both hit the Capitol Centre
(indoor), for which they had chairs.  Neither band had any chairs at RFK
stadium (outdoor) this summer.  I conclude it's a function of the arena, not
the band.  If it's outdoors with General Admission, I bet there aren't any
chairs.

But there was not much moshing where I was (about 1/3 of the way back on the
field).  Just one big asshole getting into as many fights as he could.  Of
course, I couldn't see the audience near the stage from where I was, so I
might have missed it.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: bu345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Holliman)
Subject: Metallica box set
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:23:25 GMT


I remember seeing a discussion some while back about a Metallica box set, which
I think is called "The Good, The Bad, The Live".  Does anyone have ANY
information on this item, such as price, contents/song list, or stores
that have it?  (It is a limited edition of 4000 I think)
Also, I heard from a friend that Enter Sandman was originally going to have
lyrics about crib death, but Jaymz thought they were too sick for a commercial
release... does anyone know these lyrics?  Thanks.

Matt Holliman, mattholl@imsa.edu
-- 
bu345@freenet-in-[abc].cwru.edu         Matt Holliman
	"Honesty is my only excuse," Damage Inc. <Metallica>
From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice"
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:53:43 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1660@sousa.ltn.dec.com> swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com (Ken Swanson)
writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug21.190427.19836@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@shark.micro.umn
.edu (Your Heinous) writes...
>>I never once thought of Dante and "Inferno" in connection to "Trapped Under Ice"
>>, but it is an interesting thought. I always thought it was about someone who
>>had been cryogenically frozen, in hopes of being revived someday. 
>>It also reminded me of the ending of an old Dracula film, where Drac is
>>trapped under ice, at the end of the film. But I think the Cryogenic thing
>>is correct...
>> 
>>					--Judex--
>
>Hmmm, cryogenically frozen?  But if that were the case, the person wouldn't be
>able to 'Cry out', or think thoughts like 'I am dying to live' and 'freezing'
>and 'screaming, can't hear my call'....   A person cryogenically frozen is not
>conscious, correct?
>
>When I hear the song it makes me think of that scene in The Omen, (or Omen II),
>where they're playing hockey, and someone falls through the ice, and gets swept
>under by the currents, and nobody can save him.  Now that's trapped under ice!
>
>Ken

I was going to skip getting into this, but now I can't resist.  The song
is indeed about crogenics.  True, someone frozen can't literally cry out,
but it's a little more than that.  Assuming you believe in some sort of
afterlife, then the idea of your soul going to heaven or hell comes into
play.  People like good old Walt are supposed to be revived when their
ailments can be cured.  Assuming that at some time this will be possible,
is the guy really dead now (clinically yes, but how do we know spiritually)?
Imagine instead that a person's soul doesn't leave the body (or is "trapped"
so to speak) until that person is not going to breathe again.  With this
thought, the soul is screaming out and is the conscious 'speaker' of the 
song.  It's trapped until either the body can't be revived or the body 
is revived where it can move about again.  Deep, huh?  It get's pretty
metaphysical, but that's how it's supposed to be.  To me, this idea gives
me the creeps more that the Omen idea, which was haunting in itself.

						-Tom
-- 
Okay, one more time.  This is your brain. (egg)
This is your brain on drugs. (egg in frying pan)
Any Questions?
"Yeah, can I have mine scrambled?"
From: pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Creeping Death/Jump in the Fire CD
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:28:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: pktst@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu


Does anyone know anything about the _Creeping Death/Jump in the Fire_
CD that contains : 	1. Creeping Death
			2. Am I Evil?
			3. Blitzkrieg
			4. Jump in the Fire
			5. Seek and Destroy (live)
			6. Phantom Lord (live)

The CD was printed in Germany on the Vertigo label.  Info. on why the
CD was made, value, and rarity would be nice.

thanks
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Uh - I like Metallica too.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:11:07 GMT

In article <a2824ag.715611332@sunmanager>, a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager) writes:
>Bought Metallica's last album. I think it's f* great.

Yup.  Great rock-n-roll comined with excellent production and engineering.

>I specially like Nothing Else matters & some other accoustic parts.

If you had posted this statement from inside the US, I'd consider it
flamebait.  Most hardcore M fans think NEM is a sellout (some think the 
whole black album is a sellout).

>How many albums to they have to date?
>Which are the good one's (I'm expecting people saying "ALL!" in this group)?

I listened to _And Justice For All_, and found that it was good rock-n-roll,
but the music seems muddy; you can't choose what to listen to, it's so mixed
up.

>If I like the tracks with some accoustics, which should I get next?

Live bootlegs.  As far as I know, none of the previous albums contain
anything like the new acoustic stuff.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: kaya@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Sandman Interpretations
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:50:03 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility

I think you're getting confused between the visual interpretations of the video 
and the lyrics of the song.

I think the song is about the fears that are forced on kids by adults - for 
instance, the bedtime prayer

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
If I die before I wake
I pray the Lord my soul to take

This is pretty heavy stuff for a kid to go to bed thinking about.

I think that you're right the video is about themes in nightmares that are 
pretty much universal.

My problem is trying to figure out correlation between "unforgiven"-the song 
and "unforgiven" the-video.


 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Kill 'Em All CD missing songs
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:33:02 GMT

In article <92240.171824DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu> Dave Gerber <DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I've been gradually trying to replace my Metallica tapes with CDs.  Last
>week my Kill 'Em All tape bit the dust so I picked up the CD on my way home
>from work the other day.  When I got home and opened it, I discovered that
>Am I Evil and Blitzkrieg weren't on the CD.  =( I'm almost positive that one
>of my friends' Kill 'Em All CD has these two songs on it.  Do they make such
>a version?  Why did they drop these two songs???  I know these are the only
>two songs on the album that weren't written by Metallica, so I suppose that
>has something to do with it.  According to the cover from my defunct tape,
>Blitzkrieg was originally recorded by Blitzkrieg in 1981, and Am I Evil was
>originally recorded by Diamondhead in 1980.  Anyways, if anyone knows
>anything about this, please let me know.  I *gotta* get these on CD if they
>exist.  Thanks.
>======================================================================
>David T. Gerber           \\\\\\\       \     \\    \\  \\\\\\\\

	Well, when Kill 'Em All was first released, it appeared on the
Megaforce Record label.  Later when Metallica moved to Electra Records,
they added the two songs from the Creeping Death E.P..  So I assume if you
check the label, it will say Megaforce instead of Electra!  I would keep it
if I were you, I had a bitch of a time trying to track down the Megaforce
copy on tape!  If it says Electra, well... I'm stumped!

				-Casey Hopkins
			"Look to the skies just before you die,
			it's the last time you will!" - For Whom the Bell
			Tolls
From: mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: RE: METALLICA TAPES NEEDE
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis) 

->       Yeah, I remember the tape recorder, but I don't remember the
-> camera.. Oh well...

Well out of 10 or 15 pictures only a couple of them came out.  I was to
far away to get any close up pictures.
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Kill 'Em All CD missing songs
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:12:09 GMT
Organization: none

In article <92240.171824DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu> Dave Gerber <DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I've been gradually trying to replace my Metallica tapes with CDs.  Last
>week my Kill 'Em All tape bit the dust so I picked up the CD on my way home
>from work the other day.  When I got home and opened it, I discovered that
>Am I Evil and Blitzkrieg weren't on the CD.  =( I'm almost positive that one
>of my friends' Kill 'Em All CD has these two songs on it.  Do they make such
>a version?  Why did they drop these two songs???  I know these are the only
>two songs on the album that weren't written by Metallica, so I suppose that
>has something to do with it.  According to the cover from my defunct tape,
>Blitzkrieg was originally recorded by Blitzkrieg in 1981, and Am I Evil was
>originally recorded by Diamondhead in 1980.  Anyways, if anyone knows
>anything about this, please let me know.  I *gotta* get these on CD if they
>exist.  Thanks.
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>
>"No one but me can save myself but it's too late" - Metallica

Sounds to me like you got the old CD edition of "Kill 'Em All". Those
two songs are from the original "Garage Days Re-Visited" EP <B-side of
the "Creeping Death" 12">, and were NOT originally part of "Kill 'Em
All" but were added for later editions of the CD.    
It might be a collectors Item now, but I doubt it. 

					--Judex--
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From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Metallica Bootleg ripoff!
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:30:35 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep2.155709.12340@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <92246.105704TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu>, <TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>The record store wanted a whopping $52 for it!  The guy working there said it
>>had great sound, but I don't trust it unless I hear it first. 
>
>Good strategy.  If the salesman claims to have heard it, there must be an
>open copy lying around the store somewhere.  Make him play it.
>
>>is something like 180minutes, how can you fit all that onto one CD (it wasn't
>>in the standard double CD case).  Don't CD's have a max time of 85 min. or so?
>
>Something like that.  But it is concievable that it's recorded on both sides
>(to save $.05 worth of plastic??).  Money talks.  If the store doesn't want
>your $52 bad enough to play it your way, find another store.
>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.

Video discs, using the same technology record on both sides, but I have
never seen a CD that did. I don't think you can, with the customary
writing of the song titles on the CD. Kinda get in the way of the laser, 
not to mention the center hole is made to go only one way.
And it wouldn't be to save .05 in plastic. The metal film in the center
of the plastic has all the information, and is not that cheap.

					--Judex--
From: louisp@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Mike Perez)
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice" and latest tour info
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Date: 26 Aug 92 07:48:56 GMT
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In article <1992Aug26.001547.5750@midway.uchicago.edu> you write:
>Also, don't forget that "The Shortest Straw" was based on Victor Nevsky's
								  ^^^^^^^^
					that's Navasky...  :) good book!

The latest info is that Faith No More will be with MetallicA and Guns up until
Sept. 16 which is when they will be launching their own tour.  The groups will
make up lost shows between dates beginning late this month through Oct 13.
Happy headbanging!!

Mike Perez
louisp@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
"Dark rivers are flowing, back into the past"
"You are the fish for which I cast..."
From: apfelbrianje@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Re: Metallica Bootleg ripoff!
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:18:06 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

One netter suggested a while ago that video disc double-side recording
technology can't be applied to CD's, and that the disks have about an 85 minute
maximum.  Cassettes do not have this limitation, so, does this mean that when I
start replacing tapes of Metallica, Lynch Mob, Dokken, etc. with CD's, that
Beast From The East will actually have two discs in the package, as opposed to
one tape in the cassette package?
	I'm new to the disc world, and found the Kill Em' All CD in the local
Wal-Mart.  I didn't look at the label, but noticed that Blitzkrieg and Am I
Evil? were not included.  I guess I'll order it from Columbia House and see. 
They once sent me the tape MINUS the two covers, so I sent it back and bought
the "deluxe" version at a record store.  But with the CD, who knows.
	 Oh, someone spoke of the original lyrics to Enter Sandman.  I read
that James let Lars see them; Lars said they were far too morbid, and James
rewrote them.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hetfield tossed them, or if the only
existing copy is stashed somewhere in his studio.

--BJA
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Song after Green Hell
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:37:37 GMT
Organization: none

In article <92244.104313JOB102@psuvm.psu.edu> <JOB102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>At the very end of the Garage Days tape/CD there is a few second piece that
>sounds like Iron Maiden's Run to the Hills.  Does anyone know if that's what
>it is and why the whole thing isn't included?

It's a joke son. that's why they only play 4 bars and they are out of tune.
And yess, it is supposed to be "Run To The Hills".

				--Judex--