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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Call against the Vikes
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:02:38 GMT

In article <5061@equinox.unr.edu> harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris) writes:

>In article <101891@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>During he 49ers/Vikes games as Terry Allen was rushing for a possible first 
>>down, he was stopped short and a 9ers defensive lineman grabbed him by the
>>legs and lifted him up.  Flags flew.  The foul was against ... Terry Allen??
>>
>>Did anyone else see this?  Did Allen do anything that warranted a foul??
>>
>>Not a flame but just curious...
>>
>Satish,

>This is only MHO, but it appeared that Allen may have kicked the defensive
>lineman in his cup area. This may be the reason why he was holding both of
>Allens' legs firmly, lifting him up to keep his flinging feet out of harms
>way. This may also be the reason the DL was yelling at Allen, and why Allen
>was sheepishly moving and sidestepping away from the DL.

I also thought I saw Allen kick back at the DL with his feet, it was quick, 
and from that angle hard to see, but from the side, perhaps it was blatant-
looking, and that side-judge flagged him. I tend to think that there must 
have been something they flagged him for. 
	Oh, and the guy who lifted Allen's legs was trying to put him 
down, he hadn't gone down yet, and the whistle hadn't blown, Allen was 
trying to twist out of the DL's grasp when the whistle did blow. 


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: andres@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Andres Lebaudy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whine
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:05:29 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

>Along these lines, anyone remember the game back on Thanksgiving Day when
>the Cowboys were called for being offsides. JJ yelled at the official for
>a few minutes then (this is true folks) actually started jumping up and
>down like a little kid... I thought it was pretty funny.
>
>(Note: this is not meant as a flame on the Cowboys)
>
>satish nair
>bitter & twisted giants fan
>
>
>

If I recall correctly, you are referring to a play where the Giants
were about to punt.  The Giants center moved his head before snapping
the ball, drawing the Cowboys offsides.  There were a couple of similar
plays later on in the game.

Generally, when coaches argue over calls they are aware that the call
won't be reversed.  They argue so that they'll get the next call.

In the first incident, the call went against the Cowboys.  JJ was pretty
furious.  If anyone noticed, the other calls went against the Giants!!
John Madden was covering the game and thought that there was nothing wrong
with what the Giants center was doing.

Like him or not, JJ's behavior is pretty effective.  (I realize that you
did not mean this as a flame, Satish, I'm posting for the other netters
who insist that JJ is something less than a man because he "whines".)

Likewise, I'm sure that JJ realizes that complaining to league officials
about last weekend's call won't change the outcome of the game.  However,
he knows that somewhere down the road, all his complaining will result
in the Cowboys *benefiting* from a bad call.


On an unrelated note, Daniel Welch, can you explain more to me about
this kill file that you have, which weeds out John Gloria's idiotic posts.
Can you do that or were you being sarcastic?  Right now, I have to manually
skip over his garbage, and it would be terribly useful if I could have
this program.  If you distribute it to enough people, maybe the loser 
will go away.

Andres
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:30:11 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Vikes cannot hope for a wild card.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:13:26 GMT

In article <ELM.92Dec14183852@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:


>Actually, the Vikings *can* be a wildcard team.  They are currently
>ethan

Well, yes, anything is possible in the world of magic, ethan.
But in reality, the Vikings win the division at 10-6 regardless
so they would not be wildcard.
:-)

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 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: loucks@csn.org (Lord Vader)
Subject: Re: Mr. Controversy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:51:28 GMT

Mr Controversy, are you really this stupid?  If you would ever read
what you said and what I said, you would have nothing to say.

From your own posting...
>>(at least offensively) than Seattle.  But since the time
>>Seattle entered the league in 1976, the Hawks have done better.

>For this you want to invoke history?  Ok.  Let's play the history game.
>There's only one team in the NFL which has ever won three consecutive
>league championships (and has accomplished that feat twice, I might add).
>Can you name that team?

Note the part of the sentence where I said 'since Seattle entered the
league in 1976'.  I know the answer to your question of course, but have
they done this since 1976?  Nope.  Any attempt to compare the achievements
of Seattle to something that happened before they existed cannot have
any meaning. Sure the accomplishments of the Packers in the 1950's and 
1960's were impressive.  But in your original posting, you questioned
the worth of the Seahawks on the basis of thier history, which starts
in 1976.  What have the Packers done since 1976 - squat. (not counting
this year).  Anyway, my point is, and please read it this time, SINCE
1976 - The Seahawks and Packers have had comparable records, with Seattle's
being slightly better, and Seattle having more playoff appearances.

There really is no arguing this point, as you saw in my last posting, it
is based completely on the facts.  

Again, all hail to the Packers and all that.  They're a good team and
I hope they make the playoffs.  But that won't change thier record
over the last 16 years.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:00:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:20:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Help needed on Ricky Watters
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:41:34 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

I wonder if Ricky Watters will play again this weekend. Will Georg Seifert
bring him into the game again or will they stay with Amp Lee wo did
goot, too? If anyone knows something please answer by email since we have
problems with our news feed. (If you post the answer I won't get it before
Monday, which obviously is to late.) As for the Niners I'm glad they've got
two good running backs, but for my FFL team I've got only Watters.

There's another thing I would like to know. Will Montana get some more
playing time in real games or only in garbage time? I don't think he'll
make the game against the Bucs so there's another week we can think about this.
But for my FFL team it's important to know, because I've got both Montana
and Young. The question is whom shall they start, one of the best quarterbacks
of all time, who's gotten old maybe, or the best quarterback if the last two
seasons (at least concerning NFL stats).

Michael
-- 
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RWTH-Aachen, Ahornstr. 55, D-W-5100 Aachen
Email: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:30:10 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: Jason@jasons.frontiertech.com (Jason A. Beyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:24:40 GMT
Organization: Frontier Technologies Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jasons.frontiertech.com

> (BTW, this would pretty much knock out Green Bay from the playoffs unless they won
> the division because the Eagles have already beaten the Pack).

You should pay attention to the weekly scores a little better.  The Pack beat the
Eagles (27-24).  Should the Pack go 2-0 and the Eagles (1-1), Green Bay would
win the third wildcard spot.  I believe that Washington just has to win 1 more game
to grab a wildcard spot, because they have a better conference record than Green Bay,
but I'm 100% sure about this.

Jason

(Go Packers!!!)
(Go Steelers!)
(Go Redskins!)
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: defensive statistics, week 15
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:04:58 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <42674@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>A small request here.. do you have the numbers on number of rushing 
>attempts and passing attempts against each team? I feel that the number
>of yds given up per carry [or pass] gives a better indication that just the
>total yds given up.
>
Unfortunately, I can't get that information, starting this late in the
season, since it would require the stats from all the previous games.  These
numbers are the ones published in the local paper, and apparently they
only believe in absolutes, not averages.

Daniel Welch
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where will Montana go...
Summary: Montana, Joe: Not yet former Niner QB
Keywords: A toast to Joe
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:59:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec14.215921.18133
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

It's about time for this thread to bring out the "Joe is Toast" chorus
from the net.jealous.  Who wants to be first?  How much longer can your
sphincter hold out?
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lewis & Clark College
Portland, OR
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:29:14 GMT
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

To all Aints fans who see fit to dump on the 9ers and exhort the perceived
virtues of the Aint O - 

  Bite me

See you on our home turf for game 3 - this one won't even be close.  You
best pray your route to the big show does not go through SF because this
is a deadend for Aint aspirations.

Don Boell
"Just win baby"
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: VIKINGS WIN!!! 6-3
Date: 20 Dec 1992 21:00:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


	Ugly or not, we are the NFC Central Champs! We have beaten a
	winning team in Pittsburgh, and we are definately headed to the
	playoffs. Awesome Sunday!

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!

	ps- Sorry Pack fans, you gave it a great effort, just a bit short.

Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:13:32 -0500 
From: "Michael D. Goettsche" <mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Washington/Dallas Matchup
	<1992Dec11.003652.23191@PacBell.COM>

Hey, John!

I just have to question those predictions of yours -- you say that the
Redskins are gonna kick the Cowboys ass, but you sure don't have them
winning by much, do you?  8^)

Go Blue
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:50:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:24:05 -0500 
From: Randy M Bruno <rb6b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Left vs Right Handness

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.fencing: 11-Dec-92 Re: Left vs Right
Handness by Mark Schuldenfrei@progre 
>Well, I can't speak for all SCA fencers, but I use a french grip, and
>simply deal with the slight mismatch by keeping my grip very soft.  Some
>SCA fencers use Italian grips, some use custom grips made for SCA fencing
>that are essentially rounded, padded oblongs that are symmetrical.
>Here on the Northeast Coast of the US, we specifically restrict modern
>grips:
> 
>  III.A.3 [ . . . ] Orthopedic and pistol grips are not allowed for
>  reasons of safety and non-period style.

The non-period part is clear, but I'm curious to know how in the case of
this rule pistol grips were determined to be unsafe. (I can imagine a
few possibilities, but I was wondering what the particular background is
to this specific rule.)