From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Taking Our Own Outing Initiatives: One Lesbian Perspective
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:36:42 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <93381@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
    >The following article appeared in _The Boston Reader_, August
    >1992, reprinted without permission:
    >
    >---begin
    >article-------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >"Living two lives is not queer at all" By Beaba Darling
    >
    >Could someone please what's so scary about being gay? Better
    >yet, why are heterosexuals so intensely repulsed by the indea
    >of gay sex?
    >
    >Sex is our most essential difference, but even this confirmed
    >lesbo can imagine a heterosexual couple having sex with both
    >partners enjoying it. So, why is it so difficult for striahgt
    >people to understand that same-sex is just as erotic as their
    >own brand of sex making? Equally erotic. Equally respectable.
    >Equally visible. Yeah, right.
    >
    >Years ago I told my sister I was gay and preferred having sex
    >with women. She asked I was seeing anyone, and having told
    >her the truth, we soon came to the important question of
    >where do you put your mouth, fingers, and whatever else
    >during sex.
    >
    >When I finished explaining, she said, "You do that?" in a
    >tone no different from the one a third-grader would use to
    >say "grody." I fired back, "I'd rather do that than swallow
    >cum." Ten years later we've both mellowed out and toned down,
    >but I'm still the only gay person my sister knows (i.e. the
    >only one who's told her to her face). Sound incredible? Not
    >really.

Scary? Intensely repulsed? Please, don't flatter yourself Beaba!

When I was growing up, one of the "titillating" books my parents had was
one of their graduate studies books in anthropology. This was a book published
in the late 1940's on the American Indians.

The titillating parts were the commentaries on the sexual practices of
various tribes. Two in particular stick out -- the Apache practice of anal
rape on the (defeated) enemy (now I know why the troopers always saved
a bullet for themselves :-) ), and the truly wondrous practice of the
Digger tribe of practicing anal intercourse with 8-9 year old girls of
the tribe because "the vaginas were not yet big enough".

Now, I don't know about you, but I find both practices disgusting and
repellant. Indeed, especially for the second example, said practices
would be considered horribly obscene and evil by many people in the
United States.

Of course, in the "culture" (such that it is) of the Indian tribes, the
practices were no doubt, considered normal and all the thing to do. After
all, to paraphrase Clayton, I'm sure that such things were considered
proper for that culture.

Now I can suppose that if I were dropped via a time machine into
that tribe as an infant, I would be raised accepting such "values" and
practice them with the appropriate glee and/or reverence (or whatever).
And other values as well, such as treating women like property and worse
than dogs.

However, no matter how much those tribes may have accepted those values,
comtemporary American culture does not. We do not believe sodomy of
young female children by adults is proper, nor do we believe that women
are inferior to men and to be treated as literally property.

Are such values arbitrary? Perhaps in a way they are, but arbitrary
does not mean irrelevant. It is arbitrary which side of the road we
drive our cars on, but, it is deadly serious that we all agree on one
side or the other.

For better or worse, most of American contemporary cultural is hetereosexual.
Biologically of course, there are hundreds of millions of years of
evolution reinforcing this.

So to answer another of Beabe's questions, "why do straights find it so
hard to [understand the erotic part] of homosexual sex", well, that is
not the point. Most of us understand that the adult Digger male is
certainly enjoying sexually the use of a young girl -- WE JUST FIND
IT A DISGUSTING SEXUAL PRACTICE!

I can not understand the inability of the self-stated homosexuals on this
newgroup to understand that for many people, what they do is disgusting or
disliked or not preferred or hated etc. by a large number of other people.

I eat beef. There are some religions that find this disgusting. If I was
in a locale that had a majority of one of these religions, I would expect
to be disliked by the majority of those around me -- perhaps to the point
of not being able to get a job or whatever.

So what? It is my right to eat beef, and it is other people's right to
like me or not based on this reason (or any other).

I guess I equate the "whining" of homosexuals in this regards as if I
were in an all Hindu country, and I was eating beef in public, building
slaughterhouses, holding "Eat Beef" pride marches, wearing
Ronald McDonald shirts, etc. and then whining that people don't
seem to accept me.

Well, grow up.

Be responsible for what you are. FOA works both ways babies ...



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