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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Musician's Friend and AMS
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:18:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.125804.3510@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
 
>        I have just completed an informal survey of the pricing of
>American Music Service and Musician's Friend. And the overall winner
>is .......
>
>        AMS!!!!!
 
Great.
So how do I get a catalog???
 
>Basically, I went through their catalogs and check pricing of items that both
>had in common.  Pretty much everything in AMS was cheaper by ~5-10 dollars
>on items < $100.  Also, this was the latest SALE catalog (received this week)
>of Musicians Friend and the Spring catalog of AMS.  Effect pedals were about
>$7 cheaper in AMS.  MF had some good sale items though, but most of them
>were on things like guitar stands and such.
>
>I wasn't able to check on the AMS price of DigiTech's RP1, but MF had it
>for 449 as the sale price.  If this is their special sale price I would
 
Yeah that's what they told me too.
 
>be very cautious about buying from MF because AMS might actually have been
>cheaper.  What did those of you who have the RP1 pay for it?
 
EFXS Unlimited has them (sometimes even in stock ;-) !) for $399
I told Mus. Fr. about this and they said that I could talk to a sales
person when then get them in stock. The gist is that they seemed willing
to negotiate.
 
I decided to skip the mail-order thing and ordered one locally for $425.
I kind of wish I had gone with EFXS even tho they didn't have one in stock
at the time, it would probably be here by now!
 
>Kevin
 
--Eric  (Still waiting on that dam RP-1!)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu for 7/24 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:22:05 GMT

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	Rolling Stones
		Angie c
	Joe Satriani
		Tears In The Rain t
	The Smiths
		Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before t
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		1952 Vincent Black Lightening c
	Traffic
		The Low Spark Of High_Heeled Boys c
	Various Artists
		Is You Is, Or Is You Ain't My Baby c
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: bseymour@encore.com (Burch Seymour)
Subject: Re: Q: What are power chords?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:21:38 GMT


>Robert Johnson was using them in the '30s.

It's called an open fifth. They've been around a *long* time. Mozart
used them to end two parts of the Requiem. Of course he didn't use
Marshall Amps and distortion out the yin-yang. But the principle is
the same. (I really doubt that Mozart was first either. It's just an
example I'm familiar with).

An open fifth is sort of ambiguous sounding because it's neither a major
nor minor triad. You need the third to establish that. It's also the
2nd overtone (if my memory is working). 

-bs-
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: billr@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Bill Richmond)
Subject: Re: SLASH- Great or WHAT??!!?
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.012319.17550@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bx372@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mr. Arthur J. Musgrove) writes:
|> 
|> I was just wandering how many Slash [GNR lead guitarist] admirers are out
|> there....  I personally think that he must be one of the greatest hard rock
|> guitarists alive...  And if you hear him in concert, you'll probably think
|> the same...
|> 							Peter.
|> -- 

	Peter, you have obviously ignored the netiquette rules. Your post
does not belong in alt.guitar, but in rec.humor. While I commend you on the
humor of your post, please post jokes to the appropriate news group in the
future.

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From: Jonathan Egre' <jonathan@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Improvisation where has it gon
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:12:05 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

> Jonathan Egre' <jonathan@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> 
> >On one hand, classical 
> >musicians are *expected* to copy printed music written 200 years ago 
> >note-for-note: if they don't, it's called "mistakes", not "improvisation".
> 
> This is a simplification...
>       ... But there's always room for interpretation of a written
> score (dynamics, rubato etc). 

Oh, I was aware of this, and I did not intend my comments about note-for-note
accuracy to exclude room for dynamics and rubato phrasing.

"For the record", what William Tsun-Yuk Hsu says about frameworks and
parameters is pretty much what I wanted to say, only using different 
terminology.

[Me again:]
> >Many people believe that live music is always "better" than mimed 
> >performances, even if the audience cannot hear the difference.  
> 
> This is a completely different issue, of course.
> 
> Bill

Of course, but I brought it up because I see it as a related issue - another
example of people's attitudes to music being relatively unrelated to the 
actual music produced, if you see what I mean.

--
Jonathan Egre' = jonathan@mantis.co.uk = jonathan_e@cix.compulink.co.uk
ObOb: The river Ob in Siberia
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Strengthening Fingernails for Fingerpicking
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:44:27 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

deadhead@grate.ugcs.caltech.edu (stephen thompson) writes:
>WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
>>Gelatin.  Jello.  Cartilage.  That stuff.  Eat it.  It's good for your coat
>>and your nails.  My wife takes it to make her nails stronger.  I never heard
>>of anyone taking vitamin E for their nails, but there's a great deal about
>>which I have heard nothing.
>
>Hey, what if you're a vegetarian and don't want to eat boiled down hooves,
>which is basically what Gelatin (and Jello) is?
>

     Agar-agar, maybe? Seaweed extract, often used in place of gelatin in
vegetarian recipies, available at heath-food stores. Dunno if it would
work; maybe I'll try it sometime...

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar Amps???
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 24 JUL 92 14:43:35    


In article <XcS-4+A@engin.umich.edu>, neufeld@med.umich.edu (Russell Neufeld ) writes...
> 
>Anyone know of any good amps for acoustic guitars?  I'm pretty sure Peavey
>makes one but I've never seen it.  Sometimes I've found a good bass amp
>amplifies an acoustic better than a guitar amp, but nothing that's
>too spectacular.  Just wondering . . .

Peavey used to make a line of amps for acosutic guitar, essentially they added
a horn driver to a regular guitar amp.  Not sure if they still make them.  One
model was called the Reno, forget what the others were.

Trace Elliot makes a line called Trace Acoustic but these are BIG bucks.  

The real limitation of using guitar amps is the speakers.  Guitar amps are not
very flat and have little output about 6KHz or so.  You need a more hi-fi
system for acoustic guitar.  Along that line, I've seen people use the Gallien
Krueger 200MV for aocustic guitar.  This is a powered *vocal* monitor, 100
watts with reverb, graphic EQ, XLR and 1/4" inputs, two 6" speakers, small
enough to fit on a mike stand and pretty loud.  You can drive external cabs
with it.  One of these plus a small PA cabinet would make an interesting
system.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: deadhead@beyond.ugcs.caltech.edu (stephen thompson)
Subject: Re: Blues Net group
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:13:25 GMT

whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>	Does anyone know if there is a news group on blues music. If not is it
>possible to start one?
>							Bill C.

No, there isn't.  At least, not from a guitar/musician/songwriter
perspective.  But, there should be.

--stephen


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From: bri@black-coffee.ai.mit.edu (Brian Totty)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Syd Barrett
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:40:17 GMT
Organization: MIT AI Laboratory, Computer Architecture Group


	So, where is Syd Barrett now?  Any interviews recently?  All I have
	heard is urban legend...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,news.groups,rec.music.classical
From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Classical Guitar Mailing List
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.200441.13782@regina.cs.uregina.ca>
brownw@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (names are just tags) writes:
 
>
>Re: Proposed newsgroup rec.music.guitar.classical
>I have a list of 81 names, taken from the straw poll conducted by
>David Casper on new.groups a few months ago.  Since I can't mail
>everyone without everybody getting the list (in the header), I am
>obliged to post.
>I believe we are still interested in getting this newsgroup going
>(in September), but in the mean time, and maybe as well as, I'd like
>to get this list circulated for the benefit of the people on it.
>
>So, if you posted a 'YES' vote for the straw poll on r.m.g.c, then
>you are most likely on it.  If you want to be removed, PLEASE let me
>know ASAP.  If you want to be on it, please let me know as well.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
*************
Please be sure I'm on the list: Jerry J. Lobdill internet: jlobdill@mitre.org
Also fidonet 1:109/70.868
Thanks,
 
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers
From: gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Re: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu for 7/23 **
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:17:53 GMT


>	Red Hot Chili Peppers
>		Suck My Kiss c

For those of us that aren't nevada.edu regulars, what does
the "c" or "t" mean?  It that conventional or tabulature?


s
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Casio Midi Guitar Info
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.140743.9331@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
venky@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (venkatesh.krishnaswamy) writes:
 
>> A few years back, Casio came out with a couple of MIDI electric
>> guitars/controllers.  As far as I can recall, there was an
>> el-cheapo "toy" model with rubber strings, but there was an
>> actual bona-fide, real electric guitar with infa-red sensors (?)
>> that worked as a perfectly good MIDI controller and wasn't a bad
>> 'lectric axe either.  Does anyone know:
>> A) IF they are still made/available
>> B) Where I might be able to find one - no stores around me
>    > seem to know much about 'em.
>> C) What I can expect for a price on one ? Seems to me they
>   > were about $550-650 bcak then....
>> Any info is much appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Mike Fugere
>> "No Fancy Sigs here!"
>
>I hunted for a Casio midi guitar recently, with very little
>luck. The midi guitar lines you are referring to were
>discontinued about 2 yrs ago and I was told by a Casio rep
>that none are available at any dealership in the US.
 
Wait a minute! I was quoted prices on new ones very recently.
Here are the phone numbers of a couple stores in the Detroit area
which should have one model or another--probably the latest model,
which is sort of a Strat with a built-in synth.
 
Music Castle: (313) 543-5070 (tell 'em Eric Iverson sent ya ;-)! )
They have them for around $1100
 
Huber & Breese; (313) 294-3950 (they don't know me by name)
Not sure about their prices.
 
>After much searching I located a used Casio at Caruso
>Music, New London CT -- for $595. I didn't buy it so
>it may still be around! Casio is coming out with a
>new line of Midi guitars that will be in the stores
>in September. Price : About $1300.
>
>Venky Krishnaswamy
 
--Eric   ("Eric who? Nope, never heard of him!") ;-)
From: jgray@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Jeff Gray)
Subject: Re: SLASH- Great or WHAT??!!?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:17:14 GMT

> 
>This is sophomoric.  Please, if you can't communicate with a
>modicum of articulation, don't write anything.  I know, 'bite
>me' , right?... dude?
> 
Agreed, it is a quite sophomoric response.  I know -- I wrote it.  But
you know what they say, fight banality with banality.  

I would have been quite happy to elaborate with a paragraph or two of proper
prose, in defense of what seemed to be a legitimate solicitation of
opinions with regards to the talent of a certain Mr. Slash, currently
employed as a member of the rock ensemble known as "Guns 'n' Roses."
Having been present at one of their exhibitions, I was quite impressed with
the playing abilities of the guitarist, and would go so far as to say
that in a concert setting, his performance was markedly more admirable
than I had ever noticed in listening to any of the recorded material
available at that time.  I believe the original submission on this 
topic also attempted to convey a similar message.  In fact, I would
compare the playing of Mr. Slash to the oft-admired works of
such artists as Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, and Ritchie Blackmore, each
of whom made significant contributions to the hard-rock style, while
none of which could be described as technically brilliant, as one might
speak of such musicians as Itzhak Perlman, Yo-Yo Ma, or even Eric Johnson. 
I will cite such compositions as "Double Talkin' Jive" and "Estranged" as
examples of what I consider to be some of Mr. Slash's best melodic
achievements.

I could have expressed such remarks as opposing arguments to those who
chose to reply in contradiction to the original author, if and only
if they had made their claims in a manner of legitimate debate.  However,
since immature, sardonic comments were made in place of actual argumentative
statements, it was not possible to continue the discussion in a
reasonable framework.  I chose, as is my right as a paying contributor to
this communally-operated forum of debate, to attempt to elicit reasoned
responses by means of an inflammatory remark.

If, after reading this defense of my expression, you still feel that I
abused my privileges as a contributor to this discussion or that I
am incapable of "communicating with a modicum of articulation," well, then...

...bite me.
--
Jeff Gray               
Dept of ECE, University of California, Irvine
jgray@balboa.eng.uci.edu                             "Is logic just a synonym
                                                           for this savagery?"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: Blues Net group
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:36:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.091810.22394@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>,
dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
|>whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|>
|>
|>
|>>*********************************************************************
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|>>"I'm the Hoochie Coochie Man! Everybody Knows I'm Here!"  Willie Dixon
|>>*********************************************************************
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|>
|>Whoa!! just noticed your .sig!!
|>Shouldn't that be Muddy Waters?
|>
|>-- 
            
No way that .sig was written by Willie Dixon.  Get his autobiographical novel,
"I am the Blues" by Willie Dixon.  Many of the songs popularized by the Chicago
Blues greats were written by Willie Dixon and he probably played Bass on the 
original sessions.   

Maurice
From: dbw@svl.cdc.com (Dave Woerner)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Strengthening Fingernails for Fingerpicking
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:08:55 GMT

saunders@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Kevin Saunders) writes:


>   I just read a book on skin care which states that:

>	Eating gelatin does NOT strengthen your nails.

Yup - I agree with this statement from personal experience.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: Replacement pickups
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:02:57 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul24.104208.1@wharton.upenn.edu> mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>I have a Fender American Standard strat, and I would like to replace the 
>pickups in it. After playing a strat plus, I got spoiled by the sound.
>
>I want to use this guitar to play mainly blues and classic rock and I'm
>looking for pickups with a warm, rich tone. I read somewhere that the new
>Stevie Ray Vaughan signature strat has some custom pickups in it with a real
>warm, fat tone, which sounds like what I'm looking for.
>
>Anyone play an SRV strat?
>
>I would also like to get pickups which are quieter than the stock pickups.
>Lace sensors were extremely quiet!
>
>Any suggestions on what pickups to get would be greatly appreciated.
>By the way, I would like to avoid getting humbuckers because of the extra work
>involved in installing humbuckers. I definitely want to replace the bridge
>position pickup, and possibly the neck and middle.


here's my recomendation:
get a fender lace with blue lettering for your neck position,
and a fender lace with gold lettering for your middle position.

the blue provides a very smooth mellow (humbucking?) sound without
having to modify the guitar.. the gold in the middle provides 
incredible clear awesome wonderful (sorry) sound :)  best prices
iv'e seen are from discount music supply (201 942 9411) and they
were a little over $50 each..  strat plus sound for 100 :)

aash
-- 
aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Stanley Jordan
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:26:15 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


In article <3833@moscom.UUCP>, jmp@moscom.UUCP (Joe Palumbos) writes:
|> 
|> I'm 99% certain that he uses standard tuning.  I was able to
|> watch his fingers closely, and some of the rhythm that he does
|> with his left hand would resemble standard jazz chords.  
|> 
|> Joe Palumbos	jmp@moscom.com		{rit,tropix,ur-valhalla}!moscom!jmp

I read about his tuning to fourths on an album cover, although which one...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: SLASH- Great or WHAT??!!?
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:42:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Agreed... While I am not a fan of Slash, I have noticed two things about him
1. He looks terrible....
2. He doesn't only use pentatonic blues scales. I have some tab of a guitar duet
   done by him and (probably) the rythm guitarist from GnR. Its in Locrian mode,
   which is a bitch to play in, on classical guitars. (PS. Any one want it?
   Its off Illusion 1, and No, I can't remember the name off hand... hate it 
   when that happens :-) But I've been playing for less than 9 months now, and if
   I can practically play along, technically brilliant he aint.

	Cheers... Mike

	PS. In NZ, 'Slash' means to take a leak... :-)
From: frankc@faatcrl.UUCP (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy
Keywords: Any Fans?
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:29:06 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

I used to be a big Phil Keaggy fan back when he was with Glass Harp - 
Thoses are great records, if you haven't heard them.  I haven't heard
any thing from him in quite some time, although I think Guitar Player
did a story on him within the last year or so.

I believe he is heavily into the Christian thing now.


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Re: Syd Barrett
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:38:58 GMT


  You can get Syd Barret's music from Tower Records.  I was there a couple days
ago and saw a few of his albums.
:wq
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: PS Guitar Images?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:03:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

Anybody got a PostScript image of a guitar?

Acoustic, electric, anything...


---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jms27@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph M. Steiner)
Subject: Re: Best guitar books
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:52:32 GMT


The best guitar picture book with just about everything is
The Ultimate Guitar!
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA