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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:49:36 PDT
From:         Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Vines 5.0 Toolkit
X-To:         Banyan Networks Discussion List <BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
              "MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS%DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU" at
              Aug 19, 92 2:38 pm

>
> Does anyone know whether the Vines 5.0 Toolkit has Macintosh API's at all?
> Thanks.

Of course it does!!! NOT!!!!!! Even internally at Banyan I don't beleive they
have a formal toolkit yet.....

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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:02:32 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject: Re: Windows Utility for Banyan Mail
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

We are also running Shark!mail 1.00c, but I think I'd have to attribute
it's problems to its being a beta release.  My users seem to be very
pleased with the the interface because it is similar enough to VINES mail
where they don't have to completely learn a new package.

We also evaluated BeyondMail for windows, which has some very rich
features. It will allow you to write "rules" on how you want your mail
handled, i.e. "All messages coming from the boss concerning new taskings
-- delete immediately!".  But BeyondMail has one large (and, IMHO
fatal) flaw:  It is not totally integrated with the VINES mail system.
It uses VINES mail for transport only.  Everything else is handled by its
own file system which must be created (and managed) seperately on a
network drive.  This would be a management nightmare for me.
2 Admins + 300 users = *B*U*S*Y*


SSgt Robert Stoll
7th Communications Group
The Pentagon

rstoll@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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From: ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg (Wong Chee Heng)
Subject: Good book on Banyan
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:17:14 GMT

Can someone let me know is there any good guide book on Banyan that t
give good in depth discussion on the various networking features of
Banyan? Pls give me the title, author and publisher too. 

Thank you in advance.

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Wong Chee Heng
Systems Programmer

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:57:43 -0600
From:         STRASHEA@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Windows Utility for Banyan Mail
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

We've been having quite a few problems with Shark Mail 1.00c... it's very
tempermental when other windows apps are running... it has also locked a couple
of our test machines.  It's behaviour is very strange at times... also when
I read some of my unread messages, the envelope can sometimes NOT be found
and it locks again.  We have this for evaluation only at this time, what is
the full release like, any improvements like spell check and addrbook (looking
 correct, etc.)

Thanks for your comments Robert Stoll..
From: skb@ide.hk-r.se (Bengt-Arne Skoog)
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Subject: Out of INODES, 5.00(5)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:08:01 GMT
Organization: Hgskolan Karlskrona/Ronneby (HK/R)

I have some problem with large disks and VINES 5.00(5)       
It's a scratch installation (no update) 5-users license
The first problem was creating STDA (disk2) Out of diskspace! 
I removed that service and created a fileservice and started a
filecopy from a 4.11(5) server to that new service. The first 
700 MB was OK! But the i got out of INODES (after less than 10.000 files)
Se Below:
       Software Revision   : 5.00 (5)   
       Machine Type        : V386 (AST /25) (12MB)
       Adaptec 1542B
       Disk1 AT (100MB)
       Disk2 and Disk3 (2GB) HP
       
Unexpected Error in create_name
Error: 28  Parent dir 13283
File name: V33U
Out of inodes on hard disk device 17, drive 1
       ===== ckdisklog ====
Bad block map for drive D.
0 entries in use, 62 still available
disk2 shutdown normally. No checks required.
usage: /bin/badchk [ 0 | 1 ]
disk3 shutdown normally. No checks required.
       ===== fsck log  ====
fsstat: root file system okay
fsstat: /dev/adusr okay
fsstat: /dev/1s1 okay
fsstat: /dev/2s1 okay
Any Ideas?
###
Email : Bengt-Arne.Skoog@ide.hk-r.se
Phone : 46-457-71850
Fax   : 46-457-27481
Post  : Soft Center
        372 25 Ronneby
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:03:03 EST
From:         Stephan=Sas%SYS%AGR@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      re: Servers crashing w/patch AX-2

I installed patch AX-2 on 2 servers in order to solve the performance problem
of the noveel ne2000 cards...but no crashing at all ....



stephan sas

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    Stephan Sas  :   Network & systems manager

    Faculty of Agriculture
    K.U.Leuven Belgium
    K.Mercierln 92
    B3001 Leuven

    Tel : 016-220931
    Vinesmail   : stephan@sys@agr
    EARN/BITNET : stephan%sys%agr@cc3.kuleuven.ac.be


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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:32:03 PDT
From:         Kelly=Yock%Systems%PCBs@BANYAN50.BV.TEK.COM
Subject:      re:Out of INODES, 5.00(5)
X-To:         BANYAN-L@vm1.cc.uakron.edu

We ran into the same problem trying to use a 2.04Gb drive array in our Compaq
SystemPro/LT with Vines 5.0(5).  It doesn't matter how you configure them (V5
or V10).

According to both Banyan and Compaq, Vines 5.0 doesn't support a single drive
greater than about 1.5Gb.  Support won't be provided until 4.11 & 5.0 are
rolled back together.

Recommendation was to configure the drives as two 1.02Gb drives via EISA
Config....and take the 50% performance hit.  Of course, this requires you to
do a complete server restoration.....ie, start over.

Major bummer.

Kelly Yock
Tektronix, Inc.
(503) 627-3690
Kelly.Yock@Tek.Com
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:31:58 EDT
From:         Dave Garaffa <dgaraffa@BIGMAC.MSKCC.ORG>
Subject:      Upgrading a Banyan Server...
X-To:         banyan-l@vm1.cc.uakron.edu

Hello Again!

I have a Banyan Server (AST 486/33TE) Tower-EISA and well lets just say our
dept may have some *EXTRA MONEY* <grin> to spend on upgrading it!  What I am
looking for are some idea's on improving the server in Disk Access & I/O Speed

Here is the config:

Software:
        Banyan Unlim. v4.11(5)
        Trellis Street-Map
        (Many banyan options... PCPrint/Serv-to-Serv/Net Mgt)
Harware:
        AST 486/33TE 16Meg RAM 660MB
        ADAPTEC 1542B SCSI Ctrl
        Racal Interlan EISA NIC
        100MB Etx. SCSI Drive
        EXB 8mm 2.2Gig Drive

Now if you had the chance to boost performance what would you add??

Ideas I Had:Faster SCSI Ctrl (but what kind?? re:Banyan Supported)
            Faster CPU (Via: Processer Upgrade Card 486/50Mhz)..Banyan Support?
            16Meg is the limit on 4.11 Unl. (NOT running SMP!)
            or should I just get more drive space? (not running out though!)

Thanks for any/all ideas/input!
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From: bws@ccs.carleton.ca (Brian Sullivan)
Subject: Job 
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:04:31 GMT

Normally this sort of thing can be done in a local paper,
but there are not that many people around with the required
skill set ...

Position:	Senior Technical Analyst / Instructor
Location:	Toronto Canada
Salary:		45,000-58,000(Cnd)
Skills:		Good communications skills (They all require this...)
		Knowledge of Vines Internals
                Knowledge of Networking Protocols
		Etc.
Duties:		System Installation 
		User Training 
		Etc.
Contact:	Allan Techko
		Saber Consultants Ltd.
		45 Charles St E, Suite 100
		Toronto, Canada
		M4Y 1S2
 		(416) 946-6565 - ext 247
		(fax) 964-4790
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:20:06 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: SMC Elite 16
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Gary,
   Have you applied path 4.11-BP-1 yet?  It specifically fixes problems
with the WD/SMC cards.  I've been using the SMC Elite-16 cards (with the
patch applied) for some time now without any major problems.


SSgt Robert Stoll
7th Communications Group
The Pentagon

rstoll@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:35:22 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: ide/scsi questions
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

If you want performance, I'd suggest using SCSI drives.  IDE is nice for
ease of configuration, but if I had a choice, I'd always choose the SCSI
drive.


SSgt Robert Stoll
7th Communications Group
The Pentagon

rstoll@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:07:08 +0100
From:         Hendrik.Klompmaker@BEHEER.ZOD.WAU.NL
Subject:      Msdos NFS client wanted

Hi,

Anybody know a PD nfs client (not server) for msdos ? Preferable with packet
driver interface.

Greetings Hendrik.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:27:46 EDT
From:         M=Woods%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      Prodidy mail
X-To:         Banyan-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

This probably isn't the right place to post this question, but I don't know of
any other lists.  Anyway, does anybody know of a way to tx/rx mail from the
Prodigy online service?  Any help is appreciated!

SrA Mark Woods
7th Comm Gp/ LGR
The Pentagon
mwoods@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:01:30 EST
From:         Patrick=Smoker%Admin%Ag@ADMIN.AGAD.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:      re: Vines and AppleTalk
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Our server running AFP shows about a 1/2% error rate on total ATP packets
(in and out).  We also show a very,very small percentage of ASP errors.

We have only 2 MACs that have accounts on our VINES net, but litteraly
thousands that show up in their chooser.  Many of those login as GUEST to
drop files in a shared directory. All MAC nets on campus are connected
via a Shiva FastPath to the TCP/IP backbone.  Therefore, I'm fairly
certain, we see some traffic anytime someone looks at our Zone from their
chooser.  With all this,  I'm relatively surprised we don't see more
errors than we do.

I hope this info helps.  I'm not sure our net qualifies as a measuring
stick...I'm not even really sure what goes on to make it all work.  I got
to set down to study the MAC apple/ethertalk protocols someday.

Pat

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* MIS Manager                 Phone:    (317)494-9330             *
* Ag. Administration          FAX:      (317)496-1104             *
* Purdue University                                               *
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From: andy@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Andrew Jarvis)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.banyan-l
Subject: number of print services on a server?
Summary: What is most print services anyone has put on a server
Keywords: print
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:57:10 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

Hi,
   out of interest what is the greatest number of print services anyone
   has put on one server? What kind were they, what sort of server, how 
   did the server cope?


Andy Jarvis
Networks and Communications
Information Technology Services
Melbourne University

andy@ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au
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Date: 17 Aug 92 21:12:55 GMT
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Subject:       Windows Utility for Banyan Mail
Date:          Monday, August 17, 1992 at 5:00:09 pm EDT
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We have created just such a thing...  I have uploaded it to CSUS.EDU (although
I understand /incoming won't be scanned and filed for a while yet..  This
little prog when placed in the StartUp group will display a Dialog Box titled
with the user's name and containing the total number of messages and the
number of unread messages....

Filename: WCHKMAIL.ZIP

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iOIC, Data Communications Section            DSN  484-3982           i
iInformation Systems Management Office                               i
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:44:55 CDT
From:         "Allen R. Moffett" <moffear@TEXACO.COM>
Subject: Re: SMTP V1.0 with Vines 4.11(5)
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

The older versions of SMTP did have some compatibility problems. I believe
the current version is 1.4. You should contact your reseller for an upgrade.

Allen Moffett
Texaco E&P, Inc. Gas Dept.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:46:07 MST
From:         Carl=Waterman%ESRI%ESPE@ESPE1.LA.ASU.EDU
Subject:      ide/scsi questions

I am configuring a new server and need some advice. I have a 33Mhz 486 ISA,
Adaptec 1542B SCSI Controller, Maxtor 330 MB SCSI Drive (Internal), Fujitsu
425 MB SCSI Drive (External), Seagate 1600MB SCSI Drive (External), and Maxtor
120 MB IDE Drive (Internal). The question is whether to use the 120MB IDE as
disk1 for system use only and the SCSI drives for users and services, or
bypass the IDE drive entirely, using the smallest SCSI drive as disk1 for
system use and maybe print services. What are the advantages and disadvantages
of each approach? I've read on the list that is is good to make disk1 as small
as possible, but is there a performance penalty for using two disk controllers
on an ISA bus? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Carl Waterman
Systems Programmer
Deptartment of ESPE
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85297-0701
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:47:28 PDT
From:         C.=Hanley%IM%SPK@BANYAN.USACE.MIL
Subject:      re: VINES Assistant Option
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

I had the same error: 5007 error while initializing service....

I originally had the VA 1.0 on the server, and then got the 5007 error after
upgrading and installing VA 2.0.  Banyan dialed in and deleted some of the
files that VA creates.  These files were still on my disk even though the
original 1.0 service had been deleted.  After those files were deleted, we
were then able to create the VA 2.0 service.

*****************************************
Carolyn Hanley, Banyan Network Mgr
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
1325 J. Street, Sacramento, CA  95814
chanley@usace.mil
916-557-7035, 916-557-7847 (fax)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:41:53 EDT
From:         Thomas=Meehan%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
Subject:      Windows Utility for Banyan Mail

Does anyone know of a way from within Windows to create a little popup window
which specifies the number of unread messages in a users mailbox?  Or is there
a way to do this through Banyans Windows Message Facility?

I'd like to drop the App in the Start Up window.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:28:36 EDT
From:         Laura=Zuromsky%SupportServices%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM
Subject:      re: 3270 Adv. SNA update
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Roy,

Just a quick clarification, the "Ignore Transparency" defaults to "YES", the
suggestion I got from my sna tech was to change it to "NO".  I'll keep an eye
out for your problem when it gets posted officially to our Support Center
through your VAR/Support Center. I just figured I ought to post this
clarification back to the list for anyone else following this printing problem
thread.  (Hi Mike!)

					-LauraZ@Banyan.com
					 (508) 836-1825
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:19:19 CDT
From:         JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Subject:      PCPrint

Andrew,

	The real culprit you are fighting is not the printer, but the
connection time between the PCPrint at your PC and the server software in
your, ahem.., server. This connection can at times take a few seconds and
logging out before that will cause the connection to not work.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:53:04 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      Frequently Asked Questions
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

I just had a thought (no, it didn't cause me any pain!),  Wouldn't it be
neat if we had a FAQ (ala Net News) for this list.    I'd be willing to
compile one and upload it to csus.edu if anyone is interested.  What do
you think?


SSgt Robert Stoll
7th Communications Group
The Pentagon

rstoll@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:49:44 EDT
From:         SOHIER_DANNY%CTI%ULAVAL@CAMPUS.ULAVAL.CA
Subject:      re: BANYAN tape backup.
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

I second the opinion of Mike on the Exabyte 2.2.
I tested it a **LOT** (Backups-Restores) and apart
from that bogus Vines message at boot up time, it works
dandy!!!!!

All the best,

Danny J. Sohier
Laval University
Quebec city, Canada
Dsohier@CTI.ulaval.ca

P.S. Does anyone have a gif viewer for Windows? if so, contact me
directly,  MUCHO MUCHO THANKS!
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:24:40 EST
From:         Patrick=Smoker%Admin%Ag@ADMIN.AGAD.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:      Inclusion File and Lists
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

We recently made the decision to maintain an inclusion file for StreeTalk
on one of our servers.  Now that the email addresses of our entire school
show up in STDA, users have decided it would be nice to create list that
include these addresses.  We haven't been able to figure out how to do
this asside from adding that user to our VINES network.  Of course we
don't want to add a bunch users names that do nothing but forward mail.
We have tried the following from the add item to list function in mlist
without success:

* Entering the "included" name from STDA
* Entering SMTP@Group@Org[user@host]
* Finding any reference to this sitituation in the VINES documentation

Any and all feedback greatly appreciated.

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* Purdue University                                               *
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:48:58 -0600
From:         DANIELS@RCKHRST2.BITNET
Subject:      Vines and AppleTalk

I am curious as to whether other Vines & AppleTalk users are logging errors
on the AppleTalk service.  Specifically, when running MNET and looking
at the AppleTalk statistics, are you recording any errors for the ATP
and/or ASP protocols?  If so, what percentage of the total packets for
each protocol are errors?

We have 3 Mac IIci's connected to a server via Ethernet (10 BaseT).  The server
is an Everex MegaCube 486/33 with 16mb RAM and 1 Micom NI5210 for the local LAN
(Macs) and 1 Interlan ES3210 for the backbone.  The AppleTalk configuration is:
Phase2; Seed Port; 1 zone; and no tunneling or other AppleTalk routers
connected.  The server is running Vines 5.00(5).  The IIci's have 5mb RAM each
and are using TechWorks NuBus 10T-AAUI NIC's.  Mac applications launched from
the server include MacDraw Pro, MacPaint, Hypercard, Excel and WordPerfect.

Some background history:
We initially had a second ES3210 in the server which was configured as the
AppleTalk port. Despite having the AX-2 patch installed, we had such poor
performance (access time was incredibly slow) that we decided to replace the
ES3210 with the NI5210.  Peformance improved a little but was still
unacceptable.  We put in a call to Banyan through our vendor and found out
that the AppleTalk service log level should be set to 0 instead of the default
level of 1.  Performance is now at an acceptable level, however, we continue
to log numerous ATP errors within the AppleTalk protocol - these errors have
been there all along.  The error rates range anywhere from 1% to 26% of the
total ATP packets.  We are also recording a few ASP errors, always less than
1%.  I have tweaked the server's comm buffers, file cache, SPP connections
and sockets until my hands were numb - nothing seems to make enough of a
difference in the error rate.  Does anyone else have errors like this, is this
normal?!  Unfortunately, our Vines vendor does not have much experience with
AppleTalk and even though we still have a call open with Banyan for the
errors, we aren't receiving any helpful information.

I am new to the AppleTalk protocol and this is my first attempt at integrating
Vines and AppleTalk so any help would be greatly appreciated!  Feel free to
respond to me directly if you wish.  Thanks!

Sue Daniels
Rockhurst College
Kansas City, MO
(816) 926-4570
Daniels@Rckhrst2.bitnet
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