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From: dls@genrad.com (Diana L. Syriac)
Subject: Re: Reasons to fly  (was Number of U.S Pilots)
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:01:12 GMT

In article <2510483@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> bills@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Bill Standerfer) writes:
>In article <1940106@hpgrla.gr.hp.com>, leed@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Lee Devlin) 
>writes:
>> Based on my personal observations, many people (> 50%) get their pilot's
>> license and then don't use it.  After a few inactive months, they no
>> longer trust their flying skills and thus lose the desire to bore holes
>> in the sky.
>> 
>
>Another factor that I've seen is that, after a few $100 burgers by yourself,
>most people have the "Is that all there is?" feeling about flying.  I think a
>new pilot runs out of reasons to fly after a short while.  I suggest that

RUN OUT OF REASONS TO FLY?????? Unheard of, I never seem to run out of reasons
to fly.  In fact, I have to occasionally curtail all the times I WANT to fly,
cuz I got TOO MANY REASONS.  Lessee:

1.  Join the Civil Air Patrol and go out on midnight missions at a moment's
    notice (and of course you have to stay proficient for that 1 or 2 times
    a year midnight mission, so you have SAREX's at least every three months
    and proficiency flights about once every two weeks, and check rides every
    one or two years, sometimes in three or four different airplanes, which
    means about 3 checkrides a year, and of course there's Orientation Flights
    where you take the cadets (teenagers) flying about once a month.

2.  Join the 99's and FLY to their meeting every month plus half a dozen 
    other "flyins", like the skiing trip, or the sleigh ride, or the Air
    Classic races, or.....

3.  Fly to Oshkosh every two years for the airshow.

4.  Participate in NEFI's (New England Fly ins) and meet other rec.aviators,
    about 4 times a year.

5.  Remember those friends who've always wanted to go flying?  Well, they
    love to take pictures from the sky too!

6.  Obviously, there's ALL those air museums to visit, and lots of restaurants
    on or near airports to check out.  A never ending supply of places to go.

7.  Visit your faraway relatives anytime you have a three day weekend ("Gee,
    you sure get to come to Tennessee more than I get to come to Massachusetts,
    what's your secret???")

8.  Wanna go to DisneyWorld, kids?  ("Yeah!!!!")

9.  How about working on another rating?  There's almost a never ending
    supply of them too.  (I'm working on my Commercial now, just took the
    written)

RUN OUT OF REASONS TO FLY????  I got TOO MANY REASONS TO FLY!!!!

(and I love it!!!)

Diana
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From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Overloaded Cherokee Crash comments
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:39:07 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

I kinda feel strange answering a post from someone with a moniker and no name,
but here goes:

In article <1992Aug27.214759.20099@odin.corp.sgi.com>, amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind) writes:
> (Bill Coleman) writes:
> 
>>The general public doesn't know 
>>enough about aviation to identify the abjectly stupid actions and place the
>>blame where it belongs. So they go away with the impression that these small
>>aircraft are unreliable - dangerous even. The engine just burps a little bit,
>>and you're dead. Very dangerous.
> 
> hmmm.  a good point, but consider
> also how thrilled the public would
> be to learn that a student pilot 
> committed *that* large a number of
> errors and wouldn't have been caught
> if the plane hadn't been crashed.
> i don't think the reaction would be
> favorable.

Uh, I didn't think of that. They'd probably go ballistic, and we might have
an eventual tightening down on GA in general, which could be fatal, given
the sickly nature of GA over the last few years.

> which makes me curious: did the paper
> say anything about the infractions he
> committed, and why they were infractions?
> or did they just stick to the basics?

The paper was rather objective and just stuck to the basics. After all, the
true judgements were left to the FAA and the NTSB -- the experts. The problem
is that once the report comes out -- it is no longer news and gets no exposure.

>>The truth is, most aircraft fly just fine with a dead fan. Pilots undergo an
>>intense amount of training to deal with the engine-out situation. Even if
>>the engine goes dead, people aren't likely to get killed.
> 
> even if you KNOW this it can be
> hard to overcome years of media 
> indoctrination.  my first lesson in
> performing stalls was absolute hell
> for me; i've never been that terrorized
> before.  i was shaking and covered in 
> sweat, because my hindbrain kept telling
> me the aircraft was going to fall and
> subject me to zero G and worse.  this 
> despite the fact that i'd had several 
> stalls demo'd.

This sounds almost like my wife and her first experience with spins.
She wanted some spin training to cap off her PP, so she got an instructor
willing to try them. (Her regular instructor was somewhat wimpish on
spins, and for good reason -- she really didn't have that much experience
with them! I like and instructor that knows his/her limitations)

After the first two spins, the terror was gone. It was now fun. Larry (the
instructor) related that she would call out "Wheeeee!" upon entry into the
spin. 

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From: ericth@i88.isc.com (Eric Thiele)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: affording airplanes
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:07:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug26.030757.5992
Distribution: usa
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

Well, I bought an old farm house with a barn big enough for 2 kitplanes,
a 2.5 car garage and 4 unobstructed 22' x 24' rooms.  And I'm 2 miles from
DPA.  So, I'll provide the factory space, and someone out there can buy the
kit.  We split the construction time, and the fun later on...

Any takers?  (pleez oh pleez oh pleez)

Eric Thiele
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: papworth@pdx022 (David Papworth)
Subject: Re: Mag check random thoughts
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:27:30 GMT

>>> Now, how many of us have, in going to R, sailed right through it and gone to
>>> OFF, then quickly turned it back to BOTH, to be rewarded with a loud report
>>> the mag switch . . . sheesh.  Luckily I didn't break anything.
>
>I was also taught to check the mag grounding that way -- warned by a
>CFI who has seen people bitten by hot mags on the ramp.  He did
>next to BOTH on a Tomahawk) first, then RIGHT, then OFF very briefly.

If you get a runup RPM drop on L and also on R, the wiring to the mags
has been proven to be good. The only added value in trying "off"
is to verify that the off position of the switch actually works.
It is a pretty good idea to do this check occassionally.

But please, folks, if you want to do this, turn the switch to "off"
when the engine is at no more than a fast idle. DO NOT do it at
runup RPM (typically 2000 RPM). DO NOT FOLLOW the "left, both, right,
both, off, both" runup advice above.

The way to do the check is to do the normal runup, return the RPM to
1000 or so, move the switch to off very briefly, observing that the
RPM drops significantly and that the engine sounds like it is going to
die, then return it to "both". Alternatively, this check can be
done as the LAST item before engine shutdown after a flight. (The 
time when an inadvertant hot mag is most an issue anyway).

If you inadvertantly do this "check" at runup RPM, LEAVE THE SWITCH
ON OFF, retard the throttle, and pull the mixture to idle cut-off.
Once the engine stops, do a normal re-start. It is hard to remember 
this; one almost reflexively returns the switch to "left" after
an inadvertant trip to "off". (And gets rewarded with a "BANG!").

I did this just once. At the next annual, the mechanic found damaged baffles
in the muffler, requiring several hundred dollars worth of repairs.

I am almost certain that this was the direct result of the backfire
resulting from my little accident. As one who "paid to learn", 
I can tell you to avoid the "momentary off at runup" notion like the plague.


Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: thisted@galton.uchicago.edu (Ronald A. Thisted)
Subject: Re: Finding toxic waste (Re: Flying for the Environment)
Keywords: ponds, plumes, piles, and stains
Organization: Dept of Statistics, Univ of Chicago
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:43:26 GMT

Sigh!  It's so depressing to come back from a long weekend to read
provacative and demeaning epithets from a rec.bully.  There is no need
to repeat theml; uncivilized behavior seems to have a life of its own
without reinforcement.

Margaret's posts are interesting, and strangely enough, about
*aviation*.  What you can see from the air -- and what it might mean
or not -- is certainly worth discussing.  What we use our pilots'
qualifications for is certainly part of what this group is about, be
it working with Boy Scouts to earn the Aviation merit badge (Ron! how
can you condone that priggish, homophobic group!), flying SAR with the
CAP (More militaristic quasinazis!), working with a local elementary
school to introduce kids to the glories of aviation (Hey, buddy, this
is Chicago! We've got a teacher's union here, you union-busting
scumbag!), or just going out to punch a few holes in the sky on a CAVU
day (You idiot! Air Force One is flying into O'Hare today.  With less
than 174 hours and a taildragger signoff, you shouldn't have been
anywhere within 45 statute miles of the ORD VOR.  I know, the FARs say
so, but I don't have my copy with me right now.  And you should know
better than to use TLAs without a glossary appended before your
.signature, which is too long anyway!)

As you might have guessed, I disagree with venky, who argues that
possibly controversial areas should be avoided on rec.aviation.  I
would like to hear about "Flying for Quayle," for instance.  Every
interesting post has the potential for controversy, whether it be
about the fact that a wing cannot be partially stalled, about being
pilot in command [an existential problem related to, but not
determined by, whether one is acting as, or logging PIC, or both], or
about those crimson and cobalt pools surrounded by Dobermans that I
spotted from the air last week.

Let's try to keep the followups related to the aviation content.
Let's be polite, and if that is not possible, let's be civil.  If
someone offends us, let's tell them that -- politely -- by email, not
through intemperate posts.

Ron Thisted

PS: Do *NOT* post a followup to the net with an opinion -- or a
recitation of the facts -- on whether a wing can be partially stalled,
or with a quotation from FAR 61.51, or the fact that backyards
throughout LA are filled with cobalt pools.  Flame me directly,
instead.  I can take it.

TLA: Three-letter acronym
Ron Thisted
Department of Statistics/The University of Chicago
thisted@galton.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: fido.aviation,rec.aviation
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: KIWI AIRLINES [MD-11 NOTE too]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:32:17 GMT

What do you think of KIWI airlines?
 
KIWI was on CNN...if they only serve a few cities, and try not to OVER
EXPAND themselfs they can prob. do OK...
 
I hope they do good...it will be the start of having more airlines...
 
Lets see...who died lately? (well...a few years)
 
PSA: Planes had a happy face on them.
AIRCAL: Cool paint job.
REPUBLIC: Ugly paint job.
JET AMERICA: Cool paint job too.
WESTERN: Can't belive it...they had a nice operation.
BRANIFF: Can believe it...PLAD AIRCRAFT? Yea Right!
EASTERN: Don't know if they ever were an airline.
PEOPLES EXPRESS: Hah...pay the $99 >ON< the plane! I remember that.
NY AIR (or something like that): Big apple on the TAIL, made me hungry.
FRONTIER: Big 'F' for "Forgot to put the gear up" (personal story).
STATES WEST: Who the hell uses SHORT 360s? TOO LOUD!
GOLDENWEST: Who names their airline after a COMMUNITY COLLEGE?
 
Anyone got anything else (and/or a comment)?

ALSO..i was at LGB yesterday..and they had a MD-11 they were going to test fly.
It was an Alitalia MD-11..they called it DEYGO <G>...anyhow..the guy
took of more or less..straight up...pretty neat...he flew out to Catalina and
BACK in the same time it took me to work 1/2 of the pattern! SHEESH!
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From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Putting on weight
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:13:04 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I just recently bought a mare who is 8 years old and is very skinny.  The
vet said she needs to gain at least 200 lbs!  I was told that she had been
nursing a foal for about a year before it was weaned last summer and that
was why she was so thin.  Also, her teeth needed to be floated.  Well,
I had the vet out to float her teeth and I have been worming her regularly
but she still hasn't gained any weight.  I keep her in a ~30 acre pasture
and feed her about 4-5 pounds of 10% sweetfeed a day.  I know this doesn't
sound like much feed, but my other horses stay -FAT- on only 1-2 pounds of
feed a day, because they are getting all the grass they can eat. 

My questions are, should I just continue to increase her feed slowly, should
I give her additives (if so, what) or should I have her teeth looked at
again?  She still dribbles her feed when she eats and there is a lot of
"slime" (?) in the bottom of her feed bucket when she's done eating.  What
about having her "tube" wormed?  Is it more effective than paste worming?
Any other suggestions for a "hard keeper"?

Any help would be appreciated.


Thanks,

Marian Dabay
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leasing new horse and need help
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 01:58:53 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

There are a zillion books and magazines on care of horses. The bible that I
got when I got my first horse was "A Horse of Your Own", with all the basics.
Practical Horseman has articles for english riders with all kinds of informatio
n. Both would be good investments.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Subject: Re: Saddle question: Crosby Lexington 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:24:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.155330.1@scivax.stsci.edu> melnick@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.213340.11415@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>> 	Hi again,
>> 
>> 	I have questions about saddles, specific and general.
>>
>> 	There's a beautiful Crosby Lexington on sale at the tack shop
>> 	($875 US- is that reasonable?) ........
>

I agree that it's a necessity to try the saddle on the horse! When I was
buying my dressage saddle, the nearest tack shop with a good selection 
was about 250 miles away - a little impracticle to either take the horse
or the saddle. So the next best thing was to make a model of the horse's
back and barrel. We took a carpenters red chalk line and snapped several
lines across her back, making sure we kept the lines straight. Next, we
took coathanger wire and bent them to the proper shapes following those
lines, as well as one line down the middle of her back. We took them home, 
and built a "horse's back" out of plywood. That's what we took to the tack 
shop. Worked great! The only drawback is that it's usually best to let the
horse move under the saddle to get the best feel for how it fits. So, if 
you can, take the horse to the saddle or vice-versa, but if not, here's a
good alternative.

Patty
From: conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Trakehner
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:58:07 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA


I'm looking for information about major US (dare I ask Californian?)
farms specializing in this fine warmblood, and the top U.S. Trakehner
stallions and mares.  Are there any Trakehner fans out there who
can help me with this?

Email or post -- either would be much appreciated!


Coni Britten
conib@peri.gvg.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: erkert@scan2.tamu.edu (Ron Erkert)
Subject: help with research
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: erkert@scan2.tamu.edu
Organization: Cyclotron Institute, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:23:35 GMT

Howdy y'all,

I've been following this newsgroup for a while now and have
been very impressed with the amount of knowledge out there
and the people willing to share that knowledge.

Now that the flattery is done, I was wondering if y'all 
could help with research for a term paper.  The subject is
the early development of the American Quarter Horse.

The reason I am starting this so early is because the library
here at A&M is surprisingly lacking in information on the 
subject.  If y'all could give suggestions on where to look 
(i.e. books, magazines, etc.) I can probably get it thru
inter-library loan which can take forever, hence the reason
I'm starting research now.

Thanks

Ron
From: Jo.A.Steele@dartmouth.edu (Jo A. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:52:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Sep2.165222.26177
 <1992Sep2.054842.6096@infonode.ingr.com>  
 <182m6cINN9m9@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a2@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <182m6cINN9m9@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:

> My acrylic horse cooler simply 
> uses up shelf space, while the twin bed cotton thermal blanket does the
> job every time.  I bought it at a thrift shop for $4, and it could easily
> make two quarter sheets.  You might not like it in cream or baby blue, tho.
> 
> Adrienne Regard

Aren't those thrift shop prices great...my mom is on constant lookout
for them at the Vt. one where she volunteers...the prices are right
too--between $1-$2.  I have maroon, white, blue and pink and when
company come...be right back, just getting a spare blanket from the
barn:)
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:59:45 GMT
Subject: FAQ-COLOR Genetics
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Intercollegiate equestrian program?
Keywords: ihsa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 10:17:22 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu (Angela Merritt) writes:

>  Hi,  I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
> the intercollegiate equesterian programs offered at
> universities.  Our university is going to start one
> soon and I was wondering how it works.  I understand
> the team travels to other universities and competes
> on the hosting universities horses.

This description of competition is of the Intercollegiate Horse Show
Association.  It has no affiliation with the individual horsemanship
programs at the participating universities.

> How often do the competitions occur?

This depends on the region your school belongs to.  The maximum (or it
was 6 years ago when I rode) number in a year is 10 and the minimum was 7
or 8.

> What are the requirements to become a member of the team?  I am currently
> enrolled at the university for the sole purpose of taking the
> "english equestrian" course - would I qualify to be 
> on the team if I am only taking this one course?

The requirements to be on each school's team depends on the team.  It
ranges all the way from full-scale tryouts for team and individual spots
with a limit on the number who can go to shows and recognition as a
varsity sport (like Southern Sem does) all the way to what we had at
Lehigh - club status at the University, anybody could show who wanted to
(we took anywhere from 5 to 15 people to a show), and the captain (me,
BTW) with the trainer (if she was attending the show, which she did about
30% of the time) chose the team riders from whoever happened to be going
to that particular show.

That differenc is part of what makes it so much fun, all the different
people you meet.  The smaller schools that don't throw money at it can
even compete with the big boys.  My last two years, we sent people to
Nationals and one of them ended up 6th in his class.  All you need is a
good trainer and a way to get to shows.

> Is the intercollegiate equestrian program generally
> well thought of?

I think so.  The _Chronicle's_ increasing coverage and support has helped
bring about a lot of recognition along with having people such as Greg
Best as past participants.  He showed for the University of Pennsylvania
while I was still competing.  One of my riders had the biggest thrill of
her equestrian life when she placed ahead of him at one show.

> If anyone has any experience with this program I would love to hear from
> you!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Angie (amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu)

Glad to help.  Send me e-mail if you have any more questions.

Judy

Lehigh University, Class of '86, Equestrian Team captain for 2 1/2 years

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: my apologies to ponies...
Keywords: ponies
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:45:00 GMT

 Sorry.. you misunderstood, I have nothing against hardy stocky ponies, hence I bought Christy a 14 h, 15 yr old Australian Stock Pony mare who is tough, hard and will go anywhere, do anything horse.
 My objections are to the minature thoroughbreds who are really only suited to the show ring (yes I'm sure this is worthwhile.. but...I like my ponies to be hard..) Connemaras are amongst my favourites, as are Welshies and in England Dartmoors are unbeatable.
	And I would prefer a wily shetland to the stupidest thoroughbred!

	Amanda.
	and Christy (who learnt not to shy away to the right, I have that leg in plaster and did she get a shock when I applied some pressure!!!)

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