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From: richard@csi.on.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: Are the Moties us?
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.171010.14926@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <42gy7qm@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
>This statement is frankly ludicrous.
>
>Are you going to suggest that intelligence is not genetic?  If it
>isn't then please explain why proper upbringing can't turn a horse
>into a savant.
This is a ridiculous comparison.  Intelligence is *not* genetic.
Very, very few reputable psychologists or geneticists would suggest
this.  It is a laughable proposition.  Why can't proper upbringing
turn a horse into a savant?  Ah ha ha ha!  Oh ho ho ho!
Sheesh!
Perhaps, maybe just perhaps, because a horse is not a human (you know,
most humans walk on two legs, and have smaller ears).  If you compare
the genetic diversity (were talking mean deviation etc. here) of the
entire human population, even accounting for chromosomal defects, I'd
still stake a lot of money on the fact that genetically, we are a long
way from being horses.
Ok, a slight admission.  The genetic make up of an individual *may*
have some *slight* influence on the intelligence of that individual.
I would think (IMHO) that this influence is insignificant when
compared to environmental factors.
If you think you're smart, and you think that's because your Mommy
and Daddy were smart, you might be right.  But it's *not* due to
"better genes"--it's simply the result of being brought up by very
intelligent people.
But I'm an idiot anyway, so I don't really know how I can address this
topic (especially if I can't spell!)  =)
Richard.  (Who is running home to his OED even as you read this!)
-- 
Richard Martin               	richard@csi.on.ca
If I had anything witty to say, I wouldn't put it here.
From: cet1@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.E. Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Author Polls -- Cordwainer Smith
Keywords: Smith Linebarger Instrumentality
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:13:25 GMT
Reply-To: cet1@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.E. Thompson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <104770004@otter.hpl.hp.com>, tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com
(Tom Gardner) writes:
|> |curtis@cory.Berkeley.EDU   YARVIN at University of California, at Berkeley
|> 
|> notes that he [h]as read "Instrumentality of Mankind" and didn't like it.
|> A couple of points:
|>    - it is the short stories that didn't make it into "The Best of...",
|>    a collection which actually _does_ contain his best work. Thus IoM is
|>    less good.

Less good in the opinion of the editor (John Pierce), presumably: but as
you imply probably most of us wouldn't quibble much. (I was going to demand
that "Drunkboat" be promoted, but then couldn't decide what to demote...)

The title of IoM is also rather misleading. It contains four stories which
are announced as not being part of the Instrumentality timeline, as well as
two near-future stories which are placed in that timeline by Pierce, but 
for no good reason that I can see, unless "you can't prove they aren't"
is good enough. (These are "No, No, Not Rogov" and "War 81Q" - the latter
a mildly amusing piece of juvenilia which I rather wonder whether Smith
would have wanted disintered.)

|>    - Cordwainer Smith has a unique style and universe. He skates very 
|>    close to the edge (both in terms of "science" (ha!) and style), and,
|>    for the most part, is stays just on the right side. For me this makes
|>    his stories exciting and different. I quite accept that others will 
|>    have a different opinion. Summary: you either love him or hate him,
|>    you can't shrug and say "he's OK, I suppose".

Question: Which story is not best, but most typical? Which would you choose
to give someone to read, saying "If you like this, you will want to read 
the rest"? 

Chris Thompson
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #418
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:24:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <01GNJ8PRD6ZM00008R@Post-Office.UH.EDU> CSDE1322@cl.uh.EDU writes:
>
>My
>professor claims that all of the later Asimov Science Ficition( 1982 and
>after) is terrible and horrid and Asimov was just "prostituting" himself
>and his ideas for the almighty dollar.   This just totally shocked me
>because I actually prefer Asimov's 80's work to his work he was doing in
>the 40's and 50's.  Don't get me confused though, I don't think anybody
>can touch his earlier work except his own later work....

I side with your prof. :) IMHO, most writing from the 40's and
50's by hack writers is better than writing in the 80's and 90's
by repected authors in the SF domain. I love old short stories,
where there wasn't the need to explain every doohickey with
either unobtanium or the latest Caltech theories. Sorry, Piers
Anthony, you lose. :P

Asimov /did/ prostitute himself for the later Foundation books.
He said so in the forwards Del Ray editions of the Foundation
Trilogy I have - he did Foundation's Edge for money. Well, at
least at first. :) It slips into an action/romance/spy novel
mold, which is fine, and still has great ideas, but the awe of
Foundation's struggle against the Empire, the threat of the Mule,
the panic when Seldon lets them down... its gone. At least I
don't feel it. Sigh...

I'm still waiting for Forward the Foundation, tho, slip it into
my bookshelf after I make room between the Robot novels for the
Empire novels I still haven't gotten around to buying (hated the
old covers). How long is that series now?

1. The End of Eternity (sorta-kinda)

2. I, Robot/The Complete Robot (I prefer the narrative of the first)

3. Caves of Steel
4. The Naked Sun
5. The Robots of Dawn
6. Robots and Empire

7. The Stars, Like Dust
8 and 9. (er, um, 2 other Empire books. So I'm at work, sue me.:)

10. Prelude to Foundation
11. Forward the Foundation
12. Foundation
13. Foundation and Empire
14. Second Foundation
15. Foundation's Edge
16. Foundation and Earth

The Xanth series is up to 15, with 18 threatened. Sigh.

Joshua

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 -(_)(_)-      "Why do you listen to me when I'm wrong?!?"
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From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Guy Gavriel Kay: Fionavar Tapestry
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:54:31 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


The Fionovar Tapesty has recently been reprinted (at least the first two)
in paperback, so you shouldn't have too much trouble finding them.

I'd rate them as better than Tigana.
 
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: Go to alt.fan...we don't want you(was Re: rec.arts.sf.written FAQ)
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:21:04 GMT
 <1992Aug19.181500.545@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Bt8voI.Dz0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <2A92B508.7400@ics.uci.edu>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

>Note that while any speculative-fiction author or works is fair game
>for discussion on this newsgroup, please note that many readers become
>bored or annoyed by postings on the following authors, particularly
>since there have already been many and long discussions on them:

><author list>

>This is not to say "Don't Post" about these authors, this is simply to
>warn you to expect some flamage if you do.  Ignore the flames.

This thread should have been crossposted to alt.culture.usenet and
rec.humor from the start :-)

>There are several alt-hierarchy groups that are devoted exclusively to
>specific authors which you may enjoy reading if you have a particular
>interest in any of these authors.  These groups are:

><alt-group list>

That second part actually sounds like a good idea to me. Are the single-
author mailing lists in the FAQ yet?
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: McCaffrey advice
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:49:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug14.185203.12999@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.162130.25034@cco.caltech.edu>, ojvind@cns.caltech.edu (Ojvind Bernander) writes:
>>Never having read a McCaffrey book, I'd like to try one.
>>But she seems to write long series and I don't want to
>>accidentally pick one up in the middle.  What is a good
>>first book to read?
>>
>IMHO the only thing of hers truly worth reading are the Pern
>stories. By story chonology, they go something like the following:

I recommend reading them by series, as does Anne herself. :)

If you're into conspiracy, romance, action, start with:
The Dragonriders of Pern:
 Dragonflight
 Dragonquest
 The White Dragon

If you'd prefer something light and fluffy (but still great!):
The Harper Hall Trilogy:
 Dragonsong
 Dragonsinger
 Dragondrums

After you finish those 6, in whatever order:
Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern
Nerilka's Story

Which are both depressing. :P

The last series (which I call 'Rediscovery of Pern', myself. :)
Dragonsdawn
Renegades of Pern
All the Weyrs of Pern

Then, tidy it up with the short stories:
Either find the Pern Anthology (evidently due out soon?), or find:

_Get off the Unicorn_, 'The Smallest Dragonboy'
 (Chronologically, ~Dragonquest)

_The Girl Who Heard Dragons_
 (~Midway thru Renegades)

Aug 1991 "Analog", 'Rescue Run'
 (~50 Turns after Dragonsdawn)



Joshua

   _  _      "Thats a good idea!"  "I have those every once in a while."
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From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Mote in God's Eye [SPOILER]
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:36:37 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Aug11.170046.16278@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>Imagine a population of animals.  These animals have one natural
>enemy - a small parasite that lives on the back of their necks.  If
>the parasite is on their neck for too long they die.  They can't
>remove parasites from their own necks because of the location so they
>need others to do it for them.   Removing a parasite from another
>animal's neck is safer than having it on your own neck, but there is
>substantial risk of infection.  There are two varieties of this
>species - altruists and nasties.  Altruists will remove parasites from
>anyone's neck.  Nasties will not remove parasites from anyone's neck.
>
>In this population Nasties will quickly eliminate the Altruists.
>Then, depending on the virulence of the parasite, they too may become
>extinct.  If evolution operated for the good of the species Altruists
>would eliminate Nasties and the parasites would be exterminated.

Your example sounds like Axelrod's stuff on cooperation, with his own
winning strategy left out.

Your "nasties" are like the ALL D(EFECT) strategists in the Prisoner's 
Dilemma; your "altruists" like the ALL C(OOPERATE) guys.  Both are
generally soundly trounced by TIT FOR TAT, which rewards cooperation with
cooperation and defecting with defecting.

But demonstrations that infanticide will be bred out of the population
are like proofs that bumblebees cannot fly-- interesting, but unfortunately
ruled out by the facts.  Infanticide as a strategy does exist.  
(So do strategies of removing others' parasites, for that matter.)
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Subject: Re: David Brin - What is he up to?
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:04:20 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <1992Aug21.045056.12952@smsc.sony.com>, tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker) writes:
>     Does anyone out their have the scoop on what Brin is doing these days?

FAQ writers -- this should go in there somewhere.
Please double-check my information.  I'm vague on names.

Brin has said he will do books in threes:  A serious book (a la "Earth"),
a lighter book, and an Uplift book.  His last book was serious, he's working
on a light book, and an uplift book is supposed to follow.

The next book is supposed to be something about a world where most of the
people are identical clones of their parents, and the story concerns the
few exceptions.  Title escapes me entirely. I _thought_ this was supposed to be
out by now, or real soon.

The next Uplift book is called "Sooners" or "Souters" or something like that,
and concerns colonists who start staking claims on a planet before the official
land grab begins.  The title is supposed to reflect similar situations in the
Oklahoma homesteaders.

Joel
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: David Brin - What is he up to?
Keywords: Brin, Dolphins, Sundiver, Startide Rising, Uplift War
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:18:33 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug21.060741.7323@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>
>As much as fans love it, writers would rather be diverse than write all
>in the same series.  So you can't always expect to see series books as soon

   Ever hear of E.C. Tubb?  
   
   (just a joke)  
   but is he still alive?  What would it be now, Dumarest of Terra #5,278?

   Wayne
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From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Misleading Cover
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.190019.8255@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> The one that infuriated me was STARDANCERS, where in chapter 1 or 2
>it is established that Shara Drummond was exceedingly buxom, but the 
>lady on the cover is very slim.

I don't know which Stardancer cover you are annoyed at (I've seen three I 
believe) but remember that Shara was buxom *for a dancer*  That's very different
from discribing a normal woman as buxom.  The covers I've seen all make her
look like she could bear children without a c-section, and with a B to C cup;
That is bigger than most dancers.  Remember, the ideal is like those 15 year old
gymnists.  He mentions that in that future, the figure requirements have become
*more* rigorous.

Sandy
Not tonight dear, I'm reading......

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From: rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com (Doug Rudoff)
Subject: Re: Mote in God's Eye (Sequel)
Keywords: speculation . . .
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:03:36 GMT


Perhaps there's a jump point involving one the new stars forming in
the coal sack. Maybe they are heading to the other side of the coal
sack.
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Are the Moties us?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:19:05 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Aug18.072832.58229@cc.usu.edu>, by sl6wv@cc.usu.edu:
> 	Looking at yet another government population control measure, examine
> the People's Republic of China. [...]   I think this is an
> international time-bomb just waiting to explode, and keep in mind that China
> does have nuclear weapons too.

I agree with your reasoning to a large degree, but what is the meaning
of that last paragraph?  That is, I completely agree with the analysis
of the Chinese demography problems (the Koreans have the same problem,
btw), but in what direction exactly do you think that bomb will go off
(figuratively and literally, in light of your remark on China's
nuclear weapons)?
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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Subject: Patrick Tilley's _Mission_ and _Fadeout_
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

I'm just debating with myself wether to get Tilley's _Mission_ and
_Fadeout_. I have barely made it through his first three _Amtrak War_
books, before giving up on the fourth in disgust, just to give you a
frame of reference.

Are they any good?
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: Sarek@world.std.com (Garrett Fitzgerald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: What are the best fantasy books involving dragons?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:40:15 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <1992Aug13.230040.27826@u.washington.edu> merritt@u.washington.edu writes:
>Diane Duane: The Door Into Fire (oh dear, I hope I have that title right!)
>		including a marvelous conception of dragon-chess involving
>		geological faultlines and mountain roots as "pieces"!

Close. :-) TDiF was the first book in the series--The Door into Shadow
is the one you're thinking of. Marvelous dragons she writes.... :-)
--------------------
"Sehe'rae, mdaha."

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a.k.a. Garrett Fitzgerald `:-)
Official Diver of the RFA, 'Chelle's TwinSib, and Donna's OneTrueLove

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From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Subject: William Horwood's Stone Series
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:33:12 GMT

I just saw in the shop "Duncton Tales" by William Horwood.
I remember reading a few years a go "Duncton Wood" and it was nice
but a little too long. Can someone comment on the "D. Tales" book 
or on the series as a whole?

Is this Duncton stuff only a rip-off of "Watership Dawn" by Richard
Adams which I read in Hebrew and was GREAT. Is there also a Watership
series?

David.
-- 
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From: mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet Another Misleading Cover
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:04:30 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:

- Pally Hoffstein pleads:
-
-    Since the topic of misrepresentational covers has come up so often, I have
-    question for the net.
-    Can anyone think of a book that had a promising, well-done cover where the
-    contents of the book lived up to promise of the cover and the cover proved
-    accurate?
-
- _Stations of the Tide_

To this I would also add _The Deed Of Paksenarrion_.  The cover is very
interesting, and seems to be accurate.

<<  ------------------------------------------  >>
<<        mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca          >>
<<  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  >>
<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<   The Key:  Spirit over mind over matter.    >>
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Epic fantasy novels
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:40:54 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.sf.written article, George Heintzelman wrote:

>In article <9208120453.AA02426@atlantis> lola@LUCID.COM (Lola McCrary) writes:
>
>>For a slightly different change of pace, try Susan Cooper's _The Dark is
>>Rising_ series of five books about the Arthurian legand.  These are juveniles.
>>The first is called _Over Sea, Under Stone_.
>
>Juveniles, yes, but a set of the best juveniles I've seen in a
>while, and worth reading for a light read even if you're and adult
>(IMHO). Minor correction, though...._Over Sea, Under Stone_ comes
>first chronologically, but if I'm not misremembering, its actually the
>second book to read..._When the Dark Comes Rising_ should be read
>first, for the 'sense of wonder' in discovering Cooper's not-Earth.

As long as we're mentioning worthwhile juvenile fantasy, let me plug
the Song of the Lioness series by Tamora Pierce. The books are:

      Alanna: the first adventure
      In the Hand of the Goddess
      The Woman Who Rides Like a Man
      Lioness Rampant

Extremely good read.

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Accurate covers (was Re: Yet Another Misleading Cover)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:08:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92Aug13.160429.17203@acs.ucalgary.ca> I mistakenly wrote:

>Jupiter Theft, Genesis and Second Genesis (tho the author's name
                ^^^^^^^
Make that Genesis Quest.

Joshua (normally not one to waste bandwidth, but... :)

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From: dresnick@athena.mit.edu (David I Resnick)
Subject: Sequel to The Magic of Recluse - When?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:00:00 GMT

Does anyone know when the sequel to Modesitt's The Magic of Recluse is
due out?  It says in the back of the book August '92, but I have not
seen it yet...
--
       David Resnick                           dresnick@athena.mit.edu
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: K. Kurtz' Deryni series
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:50:40 GMT
Reply-To: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research


>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
> 
> I seem to remember something about Kurtz' agent or editor really really really
> wanting her to write the Childe Morgan series before s/he died, and she was
> supposed to be doing that first.  Any corroboration?
> 
Close,  Lester DelRey wanted to hear about Evaine, so she wrote _Harrowing_
to tell that story, instead of continuing in the later timeline.

	Ann
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Unfair Tests (mild spoiler for Jaran)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 20:15:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

"Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>>In one book the hero is put to a test which will result in his death
>>if he fails to obey orders under pressure.  In another, the same hero
>>triumphs by ignoring orders.  
>Is this example from some book, or are you just describing the sort of
>thing that annoys you?

Star Trek novels by different authors.


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