From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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Date: 28 Jul 92 01:03:25 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
>asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
>: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
>: >asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
>

It starts to look kinda pretty after a while...


>[re op-bots:]
>:I figure most of
>:the people who are on #bondage like the security of the channel.  Other places
>:I think not.  Still #bondage can be managed just fine w/o Monitor.
>
>Mebbie, but it wouldn't be the same channel if there wasn't some sort
>of channel-keeper.  If invite/op bots were outlawed, there would probably

Hah...what a defense.

>be a few #bondage regulars who would incorporate monitor's features into
>their own .ircrc's, and just stay logged in to irc all the time.  Then
>what?  Would you start wanting them to be banned?  If that happens, we
>ought to start banning all of the ops who stay logged in for 16-20 hours
>a day, but are more often away than there.

Could be.  I never said that I was out to get them banned (the 'solution'
I presented in the post you replied to was just  a counter to the other 
argument...it wasn't indended to express my personal views)

>:>Is the idea of only opping certain people elitist?  Perhaps, depending
>:>on who the bot recognizes.  I would have objections to a bot whose sole
>:
>:Haha, I love this.  Depending on who$the bot ops varys it's elitist state?
>:Sounds like  'If It doesn't op me, it's elitist.'
>
>Isn't this just the perfect example of taking someone's comments out of
>context?  :-)  Read on Fred....
>
>:>purpose in life is to /invite and op one particular person to a (or
>:>a few) channel(s).  I don't see any problems with bots with invite/op
>:>lists of 50-60 people for one "regular" channel, especially if the bot
>:>is being updated fairly frequently, and if the human channel ops are
>:>willing to let new people on channel fairly regularly.   The bots in between
>:>*shrug* I haven't had to deal with them.
>: 
>:Your main argument for the robot is for invite purposes?  Then why doesn't
>:it jsut do that instead of oping people?  What's the point there?
>
>Then the channel would not be a reasonably "open" one.  Is there a way
>to code a bot to "invite all people except those who have been jerks
>on this channel before, or who have harassed regular channel users
>in /msg's under various nicks"?  That$kind of bot would< IMhO, be too

Yes, this is so easy, it's the same code that does the invite and op
'special people'  

Brief summary.  
/msg bot invite 
<bot checks user@host of msger>
if msger !mean_nasty_person user@host then invite.


I have such code in my C robot, it likes some people, is indifferent to
others, and dislikes others...


>cumbersome to write and maintain to be practical.  And what happens

Just as cumbersome to maintain a list of 'trusted' people.

>when the bot's home mainframe dies unexpectedly?  You are left with
>a channel with no ops, necessitating the channel-hopping two-step to
>get an op, or an inability for the bot to get back on channel when its
>home machine comes back up.

Oh my! work for users?  change channels for a second?  What torture!
<insert extreme sarcasm here>

>
>:>Of course, there is the obvious solution for people who have problems
>:>with the attitudes of the op-bot or of the towers-that-be for a given
>:>channel:  Tough!  If you don't like it, go form your own channel.
>:>Yes, it sounds like a harsh answer, but it should be an obvious one.
>: 
>: There is also another obvious solution who have problems with
>: op bots (just a valid as yours) get rid of them all.
>
>But which suggestion can be implemented easier and more practicly?  :-)

Too true...my personal view isn't to kill them all...too much effort.
I just would rather discourage people from making them.


-Alex

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