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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Batman vs Lobo
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:02:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.123344.126@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir) writes:
>Lobo hype that has been going on lately, expect Batman to pull this one
>off. I know that I'll be favoring the Dark Knight here. Just a thought,
>as always, just a thought...
>
	Heh heh.  Listen...Batman HAS to win...otherwise Lobo would kill him.
This is the reason I want to see a Lobo/Youngblood crossover...so that they
will all die.

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu
From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Hulk's psychophysiology (which is more descriptive than Re: Hulk)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 16:08:18 -0800
Organization: Raven's Auto Body Repair Shop, Mega-Tokyo.
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Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>His outward appearance at any given time was a physical manifestation
>of the aspect of his mind which was in control at the moment.

>It's not that the body controlled the mind [. . .] but rather the
>mind that was controlling the body.

Which brings us back to the question of exactly how much of the
control is voluntary and how much is involuntary.  Could he ``will''
himself small enough to kiss without bending double?  (Kissing his SO
could lead to other involuntary size changes that I'll ignore...)  It
looks like he doesn't have this sort of control at the moment, because
he doesn't really know what pieces of his personalities are triggering
the changes.

If he does begin to crack (and notices this, and wants to deal with
this), he could head off to Nepal to study self-control and body-
control under a fakir, perhaps one of Doc Strange's old friends.  And
while he's there, he'd be able to battle a couple of mystic villains,
etc.  Does the Hulk still have his power to see astral beings, or has
that been explained away?

The poor penciler is going to have a heck of a time altering Hulk's
size and shape every time the Big H changes moods...

Derek

-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                               University of British Columbia
upham@cs.ubc.ca                                   Computer Science Department
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"Ha!  Your Leaping Tiger Kung Fu is no match for my Frightened Piglet Style!"
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:07:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale):
>>Anyone remember Superman blowing out a star with his superbreath?

Not to mention using super-breath to blow Earth back into its proper orbit.
My favorite along these lines has always been Superboy shifting the Earth's
orbit by standing on his head and pushing.

>>Anyone remember Color Kid changing Green K into Blue K by changing 
>>the color?

Now here was a viable solution!  Color Kid, unlike Element Lad, has
a power with at-least-planetary range.  Perhaps he could have changed
the deadly proton jelly into harmless orange proton jelly?


arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee):
>But not only that, it proves exactly the wrong thing.  You can't very well
>argue that Daxamites can't move the city collection because they'd have to
>hold it at one end and it'd fall apart, while referencing such gems of comic
>book physics as towing the Earth or moving it away from laser beams....

I don't see your point.  Those 'gems' are things we laugh at -- and would
would treat far more harshly today.  All the "why didn't they" we've been
seeing have been variations of "why didn't they save the day by employing
silver age physics?"  Surely this would be more objectionable than the
coincidence of having the shipping capacity to evacuate about half the
population in nine days?

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JC: Hellblazer, and crossovers of same
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:29:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Nov9.185323.23658@webo.dg.com> stan@etgn06.rtp.dg.com (Stan Yen) writes:
>Just curious, but in what other books has "Gaiman's Death" appeared?

Death has appeared in several issues of Sandman (of course) and the Special. 
She appeared in Books of magic #4 as well. She appeared in LSH #38 in one 
panel, in Lobo's back for about 2 panels, and for about a page in the
Ambush Bug Nothing Special [ in which she had a very amusing conversation
with the Bug]. She also appeared in DC's Who's Who which basically had
only one line : "One day you'll meet her and you can find out for yourself"

Death also made an appearances in Captain Atom (I think it was sometime
between #39 and #43.) This was apparently not approved by Gaiman. For some 
obscure reason, folks on RAC (many of whom havent read this story) like to 
flame this appearance with comments like "Blatant attempt to cash in on 
Death's popularity" [Death didn't even appear on the cover], "Completely 
violates Death's character and role" [ Death had only one major and one very 
minor appearance before then and didnt really have an established role ],
 "Hack writers" [ Bates isnt in Gaiman's class as a writer, but he has been
writing good, competent stuff for decades now], "Shoehorning Death into DC
continuity" [ Like it not, Death is a part of DC continuity, and any writer
has to work within those constraints ] 

Abhijit
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Hulk's psychophysiology (which is more descriptive than Re: Hulk)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:32:50 GMT

In article <1dka5iINNlli@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham) writes:
>>His outward appearance at any given time was a physical manifestation
>>of the aspect of his mind which was in control at the moment.
>>It's not that the body controlled the mind [. . .] but rather the
>>mind that was controlling the body.
>Which brings us back to the question of exactly how much of the
>control is voluntary and how much is involuntary.  Could he ``will''
>himself small enough to kiss without bending double?

Interesting question: could he be hypnotized into taking on a specific shape?
What about a specific shape different from the Hulk and Banner ones?

If even hypnosis couldn't make him voluntarily change form, what if he gets
possessed by some entity with its own personality?  (For instance, Malice.)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Convergences: Themes?
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:15:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.061738.24587@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <lsmith.721265301@unity>, lsmith@unity.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>> In <1992Nov8.205807.18932@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
>> >If there's any intended relationship between Russian folktales, Marco Polo,
>> >and DC Biblical mythology, I haven't noticed.
>> 
>> I'd like to hope there isn't a connection.
>
>I think there is.  Convergences.  Synchronicity.  Several unlikely people
>meet in unlikely circumstances.  Marco Polo meets Gilbert and his future
>biographer in a dream while traveling to the unknown of Cathay.  Vassily
>(sp?) meets an old hag who just happened to have one of Dream's books while
>on a quest for his future.  Daniel meets Eve, Cain and Abel while exploring
>the wonders of the Dreamland.  Dream and Delirium meet (so far, mostly
>unsuccessfully) unusual people to help them in their quest
>for their errant sibling.

Well, the current storyline, Brief Lives, isn't part of the Convergences
series, so I don't think we have to come up with a clever explanation
for that.

I like this explanation (Enrique's) but I think another intepretation is 
possible:
It's been a while since I read the stories in "Convergences," but from what
I remember, I thought the title referred to the convergence of the stories
with reality.  For example, the story of Vassily begins just as a man 
telling his granddaughter (?) a story, but at the end it turns out that he
was in reality a character in the story.  Marco Polo was a character in one
of the stories, but he is also a figure in history, and we accept his journey
as part of reality.  (Okay, that one's a stretch.)  And Eve, Cain and Abel
are characters in the story of Genesis, but many Christians also believe
them to be at least representations of the first humans in reality.  There's
always a question of what in a story is real and what is just the story,
and I think the title of the series meant that there's not always a clear
line between the story and reality and that they often are the same.

That was poorly put, but I basically thought the convergence was between
fiction and reality.

Chuck

-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
Everybody knows smoking kills, but it's cool!  What are you gonna do?
Everybody loves tar, sure who doesn't?  But doctors have known for well
over a year that it's bad for you...     -- Mystery Science Theater 3000
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:22:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov8.014416.24570@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.054404.11529@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>>
>>  Um, if they can open gateways to the Phantom - er, Bgztl Buffer Zone,
>>why not just put Earth's population there (where they will neither 
>>need air, food, nor water) until it's safe, say when they've 
>>assembled more space arks?  As Elmo is prone to say:  "Sloppy writing."

[my sig deleted]

>This still ignores the need to get the population *off* of Earth first! Now
>*that* would be sloppy writing. No, the fact that the Bierbaums recognized
>and that all you pundits seem to be in denial over is that there is simply
>*no way* that you could evacuate several billion people from one planet to
>others in the time they had and with the materials they had. Not to mention
>the fact that the story as written provides enough dramatic conflict and 
>pathos to last whoever writes this book for the next ten years! This is a 
>*story*, folks; not a sitcom. To me, at least, there's a difference.

>--AST
  Not at all - why do you assume that the Bgztl Buffer Zone can only 
be entered from space?  That isn't how it's ever been written before.


-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Neil Gaiman in Chicago?!?! (was Re: Chicago area residents - HELP!)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:29:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.002839.6068@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.220023.7294@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> rsanders@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Robert Sanders) writes:
> 
> >HELP!  In this weeks Comics Buyer's Guide, I saw an ad that
> >said Neil Gaiman was going to be at Moondog's in Chicago on
> >Saturday,			       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

SAY WHAT?!  Which Moondog's?  When?  Where?  Quick, ANSWER ME!!

> >and they were going to be premiering a new     
> >24-hour comic that he has written (I can't remember the name -
> >but it was pretty long...BUT I digress)

"The Life And Death of Emperor Heliogabalus".  I'm sure I massacred the
title, but it's close to that.  It appeared as a backup story in an issue
of CEREBUS.  He also drew the story, and I have to admit he's a much better
writern than artist.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
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From: we@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Winfield Eng)
Subject: Re: "Strange Sports Stories", 1960s - how to find
Keywords: DC 1960s Strange Sports Stories
Reply-To: we@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Winfield Eng)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:29:22 GMT


About Strange Sports Stories...

This was a title in the seventies.  I don't know how long it lasted, but
I know that it was it's own title.

I have one issue of it and it does have some good stories, like a
baseball game between heroes and villians.




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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (St. Elmo's Fire)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth (& a tirade on writers/whiners)
Organization: Man in Motion
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:23:20 GMT
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	NOTE: The following contains arrogant dismissal of meta-whining.  
You have been warned.

In article <1992Nov7.194032.13712@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) writes:
>      If I may digress on the topic of writers briefly...the way I see it you
> have three options if you don't like the book:

>                1) shut up and drop it (and stop writing about it on the net)

	Listen, pal, I stopped buying the Legion with issue #31.  I put my
money where my mouth was.
	And don't you DARE tell me I can't have an opinion about it simply
because I don't like it.

>                2) shut up and accept it
>                3)start submitting scripts (pure folly at best)

	I've done fanfic in the past; I'm working on an LSH:TNG proposal now.

> Personally, I have seen better times for the Legion than under Tom & Mary, but
> dammit it's still the Legion, and I would gladly read it even if Stan Lee
> were writing it!  

> Either you love the Legion for what it is or you don't. 

	This is not an Aristotelian universe.  I love the Legion for 
what it was.

> I suggest those of you who feel a need to incessantly whine 

	Incessant?  Hey, I kept my mouth mostly shut most of the summer :-)
	And I like to think I back my "whining" up with solid arguments.
Pick apart my arguments, don't dismiss them out of hand.

> "this isn't like the
> old Legion" seroiusly reconsider buying the title any longer.  If you really
> don't like it, then get out.  (If enough people do this, even DC will get the
> hint) 

	Like I said above, I did drop it.

> If you're whining just to see yourself on the net, stop wasting our time
> and bandwidth!

	Blow me.
-- 
"Well somebody told me that, but I have yet to see the muzzle.  I'd be glad to 
see it and see whether it actually fit or not."--Hillary Clinton, on reports   
that she's been muzzled by the campaign.                                       
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Doomsday Series
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:04:11 GMT

In article <1dhkb1INNjgi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel) writes:
>
>Could someone fill me in as to what exactly happened to the JLA,
>especially Guy Gardner (he's one of my fav characters)
>			Thanx in advance!
>-- 
Basically, they all get wasted by Doomsday. Nothing fancy, they just get
smashed into the ground, slammed through oil tanks or punched into oblivion
by Mr 'Interesting' D. Day.

Mike
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: RAC: LONDON, TORONTO, tyg world tour
Organization: Jet Lag Anonymous
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:25:31 GMT

I've just learned that I'll be in London (that's England, not Canada) from
Saturday November 21st through the 27th, as well as December 14th through
the 19th and likely a day or two on either side of those two dates. I'll
be free all day on weekends, and in the evenings during the week (although
I'll be based in the Richmond area until about 4:30 p.m. each weekday).
Anyone interested in getting together while I'm over there, whether you're
a lurker or poster, let me know.

Also, the week of November 30th, and probably a day or so on either side, 
I'll be in Toronto with the same time restrictions. Same deal on getting
together.

As to what all this means to Suicide Squid shirts (as well as unexpectedly
being called out of town for a family funeral last week and catching a virus
to boot and a work schedule that's gotten unexpectedly heavier than expected),
I'll be sending email to all those whose orders I have in hand and doing
a post early next week.

"Decent ice cream is almost unobtainable in Britain.  On the other hand,
America has inexplicably failed to discover the chocolate-covered digestive
biscuit -- possibly the greatest single foodstuff ever invented."  -- Michael
Kinsley (I'll agree with both parts)
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: we@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Winfield Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:21:49 GMT
Reply-To: we@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Winfield Eng)
Organization: Columbia University

About X-men movie cast

>From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>Jean Grey: Jeanette Goldstein.  (Vasquez in Aliens + in Near Dark)

I think that Sharon Stone would make an excellent Jean Grey if she colored
her hair.


>Storm: Imam.  (who else could it be?)

How about Vanity?

 
>Wolverine: Aaron Baker.  (Bodybuilder w. Martial Arts skills)

I'm in favor of Robert De Niro.  He's got just the right attitude to play
Wolverine.

Paulina might make a good Psylocke except for the fact that she's not
an Asian, but this is Hollywood that we are talking about.






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From: rkelly@pioneer.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: the Strange problem
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 00:44:09 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

David Hunter writes:
>"Dr. Strange does Mission Impossible" was exactly the idea that
>started the original Defenders way back when.  The writers actually
>did have a problem fitting Strange together with more traditional
>super-heros on a consistent basis.  Eventually he was written
>out of the book because of this.

A) Dr. Strange is a problem to write.  Having thought up several 
different storylines and thinking about submitting them to Marvel, I
have axed everyone of them simply because Dr. Strange is way too unweildy
to write (yet still my fav Marvel character).

Story-wise, the best I have seen was the original Silver Dagger and
the Darkhold issues (circa #50? 60?... I forget) where Dracula is utterly
obliterated.  

B) Were I to write Dr. Strange, I think I'd start with Stephen Strange
(Saunders), pre-sorceror supreme and do a Kung Fu/Grasshopper thingie
where anecdotes from Strange's schooling days echo what is happening
in the present.

Also, What is Sorceror Supreme?  What responsibilities besides talking
"bibbity-boppity-boop" and flying around matters to him?   There is no
dramatic tension between him and his enemies anymore, Dormammu and 
Uluma and Clea has been beat into the ground...  

C) And, what if Dr. Strange's house began to bop around the universe 
a la Danny the Street or Baron What-his-Face from DC (last seen in 
Books of Magic.)

But NOOooooooo, we couldn't do that, we must be true to the Marvel
editorial staff (etc, etc.) *gak* Bloody editor-nazies

Um, where were we.... Oh, Dr. Strange.... yeah, he needs help... Like
an surgical removal from the entire Marvel universe.

PS: Congrats to James Berniger for getting a letter in the LSH.

Robert Kelly 
rkelly@pioneer.unm.edu
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From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JC: Hellblazer, and crossovers of same
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:23:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Nov7.052320.1222
Organization: University of Georgia

>In article <1992Nov6.032324.25168@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes:
>>   I'm delighted to see posts about my favorite comic here! (It's been a  
>>while since I have read news.)  Constantine has to be one of my favorite  
>>characters of all time; the man has attitude!

Definitely!  It's the most three-dimensional character I've ever seen in
comics...

>>   However, I have a question for you. From reading the letters page for a  
>>while, it seems to me that nobody wants JC to cross over.  How do you  
>>folks feel about it?  For instance...

Constantine doesn't work in crossovers, except with the other DC magical
characters, and then only with a really good writer.  Swamp Thing is okay,
I guess, but I think the recent issue that featured JC is proof that the 
character is hard to write and they'd better only let their good writers
use him, not any hack like Nancy Collins.
	And, Sandman seems suitable enough, but I'm glad Gaiman chose to
emphasize John's ancestor instead of John himself -- it adds even more
mystique to the character.  
	Other DC titles (especially superhero books) definitely not.  Con-
stantine is really in his own little universe and he stands alone as a
character.  Also, the mood and tone of the series is a lot different than
most other books.  I don't think it would work.
	I like that they've kept crossovers to a minimum,and I could do
with less attempts by the lousy Swamp Thing team to try to do their lame
take on the character.

(Incidentally, I like that Death from Sandman is showing up in so many
different comics.  I think Gaiman should be pleased that he's created such
a good characterthat has basically become the preferred representation of
Death, instead of the old Reaper Man.  As long as she doesn't have any
dialogue, it's okay...)

Chuck

-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
"If the Japanese were really as polite as they're supposed to be, it seems
that everybody at the dinner party would've turned and thrown up into
his neighbor's lap too."		-- Roy Blount, Jr
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