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From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:31:32 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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I'm glad to read about this nose thing. I'd been kind of worried because
Allie's nose went from black to brownish this winter--she is otherwise
healthy so I didn't take her to the vet but I did wonder.

Any idea why this would happen for the first time in her 7th winter? We
did move down from the mountains this year, so maybe there's some weather
factor? (She's probably spending more time outdoors too.)
-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Jack Russell Terriers
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:29:55 GMT

Does anyone on the net know the contact information for the national
Jack Russell Terrier breed club?

schalene

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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:39:06 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <1993Jan9.223232.19557@leland.Stanford.EDU>
   lizalee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza L Miller) writes:
 
>Those of you who know and love the Labrador Retriever breed may find this
>of interest:  The standard for the breed is being revised by the national
>breed club, the LRC (Labrador Retriever Club, Inc.).
 
    ....text deleted.....
 
>Personally, I feel that this standard has both good and bad points.  Sadly,
>I feel that the negatives outweigh the positives on this issue.  I plan to
>write letters opposing the new standard for several reasons.  If you are
>interested in further discussion of this issue, I think it would be best to
>discuss it via private email.
            =================
 
I already sent mail to Liza, but what do the rest of you feel:  should
this discussion be in private email, or here on rpd?
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:02:25 GMT
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: 	But, most goldens could never in a million years function as ATTACK
                                                                     ^^^^^^
: dogs. I think that many/most of them don't even know how to bite.

[soapbox on]
Any dog can function as an attack dog--all you have to do is tease them or
otherwise make them mean, defensive and/or agressive.  Please don't
encourage the notion that an attack dog is a protection dog.  Until you
spend hours on the phone at a training facility, you won't believe the
number of people who believe that they want to teach their dog to bite for
protection.  Even in schutzhund, the bite work is secondary to the
obedience.  Releasing is as important as biting.  

The biggest deterrent a dog can provide is by its presence and bark.  A
trained protection dog can be great, but most people can't handle basic
obedience.  Until that hurdle has been passed, there is no way protection
training in the form of holding should be considered.  Also, most of the
people looking for an "attack" dog think that they want an agressive canine.
This whole recipe tends to spell disaster.  

If you want more protection from your dog, obedience train it.  Many would
be criminals are willing to assume that a trained dog, especially medium
sized or larger, is a trained guard dog.  Another extremely useful trick 
is to train the dog to bark on a small hand signal.  This is equally
useful on the street or behind closed doors.

Please don't equate attack dogs with breeds with natural guarding
instinct.  Those of us with herding and guard breeds already have enough
problems with that.  Most of the time the first question I am asked about
Gaia is does she bite.  No one ever asks that about Random, but she'd be
more likely to than Gaia.  So many people make the assumption that all
GSDs bite.  One child was petting Gaia, thinking that she was a husky.  
When she found out that Gaia was a GSD 5 minutes later, she jumped back
afraid. 

Attacking is not protection, and any breed can be an attack dog.  Some
breeds have more background in protection and guarding, usually from a
livestock protection background, but any dog can be protective of its
people and/or territory.  The prime requirements for any protection dog
are a stable temperament and a good relationship with its people.

[soapbox off]

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: lab list??
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:36:50 GMT

In article <57uN02ue30xf01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com 
(Brian W Simmons) writes:
>Howdy, all and Happy New Year!
>
>A month or so ago Marla Belzowski mentioned there might be a
>herding mailing list.  Marla, I to email but it bounced consistently.
>(I used this address, BTW: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)
>
>Anyway, if anyone could provide me with subscription info I would
>appreciate it.  I could not find it on the Internet list of mailing
>lists (which did have the golden retriever list).

And is there such a thing as a Labrador retriever list?? If so, please
e-mail me info.

Also, I recall hearing something once about a list called
CANINE-L - does anyone know anything about it (and if such a thing
exists, is it worth joining?)

thanx


************************************************************
* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, WC, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                                *
*                                                          *
* standard disclaimer applies...                           *
************************************************************

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From: sgoodman@shearson.com (Stacey Goodman)
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Reply-To: sgoodman@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:15:18 GMT

Could anyone sum up the differences between the existing and proposed lab standards ?  I started reading the proposed standard and i found it too wordy.  I would like to know what they are proposing to change about the standard.

thanks
From: jms@queenb.unh.edu (Judi M. Strauss)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Question about breed?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:51:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world
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Hi all-

Could someone out there identify a breed for me (I hope) - there
is a small dog that is currently in a dentene (sp?) gum commercial -
it's the one where the guy is talking in his dog's face but he has
bad breath so the dog fetches him a pack of gum rather than his
ball - the dog is mostly white, small, very short legs.  *I think*
it is the same kind of dog that starred in Ernest Scared Stupid -
maybe even the same dog - can someone tell me what kind of dog
this is?

Judi
From: HF.JYB@forsythe.stanford.edu (James Bettinger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: springer spaniel puppy
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:20:19 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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I'd like some advice about my 4-month-old female springer spaniel.

1. Though she is pretty well house-broken, her signal to go out is
to sit by one particular door. If we notice her, that's fine. But if
we don't notice her, she occasionally (occasionally = once or
twice/week) goes inside. She's in her kennel (crate) at night; she
usually wakes me at around 5 or 5:30 to go out. How can I teach her
to give me a more insistent signal that she wants to go out? Or am I
giving her no incentive by letting her out whenever she sits by the
door?

2. When I take her for a walk, she strains like crazy against the
leash at times -- as if she were pulling a boat along a canal. I
walk reasonably fast, but I'm not into running just to keep up with
her. Interestingly, when we get to an area where she can be off
leash (field or wild areas), she doesn't go more than about 20 yards
away from me, and usually sticks much closer than that. (This
concerns me too. I wish she were a little more adventurous.) Anyway,
is this anything to worry about, or try to correct, or is she just
being a puppy? By the way, I have worked with her on basic commands
-- sit, stay and (just recently) come -- but nothing more ambitious
yet.

Any thoughts will be appreciated.

From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:23:58 GMT
Subject: Re: muzzles
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

/ hpcc01:rec.pets.dogs / szeff@informix.com (Sharon Zeff) /  9:47 am  Jan  6, 1993 /

|I was wondering what the general concensus was on the use of muzzles to
|help curb aggression.  

|I have a greyhound who, unlike any other greyhound I have met, has a problem
|with aggression and dominance.  She is not in the least aggressive toward
|people, just some dogs, cats and the like.

I wonder if you are confusing the hounds instinct to chase cats with
agression.  Most hounds will chase/look for and hunt cats in the
neighborhood.  This is their natural being.



|She got bitten a few months ago when she tried to dominate a boxer pup (11 mo)
|and she has been even more aggressive ever since.  She will occassionally 
|lunge at dogs that bark at her when we are walking, but since she is on
|a leash she does not get too far.  I want to be able to take her to the
|off leash area on a regular basis so she can play with the other dogs and
|get a chance to go full speed in some place besides my condo.  The problem
|is that some dogs set her off.  The dogs she goes after are the more
|submissive type, but for some reason even submissive dogs do not like to be
|dominated by her, even when they take it from other dogs.  She has never
|bitten a dog (drawn blood) that I know about.

Most Greyhounds are very socialable animals.  The training that most
greyhounds (track racers) is to be socialable {If they are agressive
they are usually put down}.  Agressive behaviour is not a "trait" of a
Greyhound, but there are cases of it.

I would like to recommend that you do more social training with your
hound.  Get into groups with other Greyhounds (I believe you are in the
Bay Area - there are several groups where you can socialize your hound).
Learn from these owners what to do with your hound.  

If a dog is barking at you while you are walking your dog, your hound
might see this as a time to protect you.  I am not sure if you are
misreading the circumstances or if this dog needs training.


Good Luck, Kirk

PS Let me know if you want me to work with you, I think I live in your
area (I live in Santa Clara).
From: toolan@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How do you train a dog to "speak"?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:26:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <C0E5Bt.HCz@hsi.com>, hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) writes:
> 
> Hello, I'm interested in training my dog "Rolf" how to say his own name.
> What I'd like to do is say to him "What's your name?" and have him bark
> back at me which will sound like his name, Rolf.  He's 8 months old and has
> so far learned, sit, stay, down stay, come (sometimes), and gives me his
> paw when I say "How do you do?".  Any ideas would be welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alice
> 
> P.S.  If there are any other neat tricks that you can think of, that would
>       be great too.

	We taught our two Greyhound to "speak" by saying "speak" over and over
	and by "barking" at them.  I'm sure it would have been quite an
	amusing sight had anyone happened on us during a training session!
	:-)   :-)   :-)  Dogs teach owners to bark!  :-)  :-)  :-)

	Anyway, Greyhounds tend to not bark much, but if you wave a dog biscuit
	over our girls' heads and tell them to "speak," at this point you can
	count on being nearly deafened...  :-)

	It should be easy enough to substitute "What's your name?" for the
	"speak" command we use.

		*	*	*	*	*
				*
	Sharon Toolan		*	My opinions are my own;
	toolan@stsci.edu	*	No one else would want them.
				*
		*	*	*	*	*

	      Make a fast friend--adopt a Greyhound!
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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: I want my dog to obey me.
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:05:59 GMT

>
>>My friend told me to hit him with a newspaper when I finally catch him. 
>

The reason behind NOT hitting him is that you want your dog to 
associate coming to you (whether he does it well or not) with
GOOD things.  If it takes your dog 15 minutes to come to you
you should still praise him, although I've had similar problems
and after a while you don't feel like saying anything good!
Please DO NOT take your friend's advice -- your friend doesn't
know any better.  If you hit the dog it will be less inclined
to come to you next time.  Praise him -- you might even want
to train with treats until the dog improves.  But don't punish
him because he isn't able to understand why he's being punished.
(Sometimes you just could swear they understand, but they
really don't.)

If you can practice in an enclosed area (that is large enough
so that the dog doesn't realize it is enclosed) it might help.
Chasing NEVER works on my dogs.  Ignoring them works better -
they think you're playing if you chase them.  Try using
treats sometimes (but not all of the time) and praise LOTS when
the dog does something good.

Good luck!



Jamie

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Tick-Borne Diseases
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:36:36 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

Somebody (was it you, Cindy Tittle-Moore?) was asking about tick-borne
diseases recently.  My site expires posts so fast that I can't find
the original request.  But if whoever-it-was would like some info
on diseases caused by ticks other than Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain
Spotted Fever, I have some on Ehrlichiosis.  Post or e-mail me!

Stef
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From:  (Thom McKay)
Subject: Re: New Dog:  Bishon Frize?
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:51:35 GMT

I personally would look into purchasing a West Highland Terrier.  The're
cute and lovable.  They are very smart dogs, and yes if they are properly
trained they would rather commit suicie than to mess on the floor.

In article <103314@netnews.upenn.edu>, sternlie@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Paul
E. Sternlieb) wrote:
> 
> HI!
> I am interested in becoming a new dog-owner.  I've never owned a dog
> before but I was thinking about getting one now.  We want one that is
> going to be already house-broken and one that can stay in the house
> alone during a normal workday.  We want something small and cuddly,
> and we looked at a book of dogs and did some research.  I'm kind of
> set on the Bishon Frize.  Does anyone have any comments on this?
> Also, if you are in the Massachusetts area and you have a Bishon Frize
> (non-puppy, preferably 6mos-1yr) available for sale, please e-mail me
> at sternlie@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.
> Thanks!
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Paul Sternlieb                 *  University of PA          *  Home:
> sternlie@eniac.seas.upenn.edu  *  3820 Locust Walk, Box 870 *  P.O. Box 645
> Wharton, Engineering '94       *  Phila., PA  19104-6134    *  Salem, MA  01970
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Large Breeds Showing Age
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:23:14 GMT

I don't have any useful information to add but I just though you might
like to know that Beamer the wonder Cocker has been going gray in the
ears for the last 6 months or so.  He is only 1.5 years old so I don't
think he is aging prematurely as he hasn't changed at all.  It is
interesting to see the progress as his ears go from pure black to gray
in a quick time and at such a young age .

Mike

-- 
| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:49:05 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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I have had fairly good results in finding rental housing with my German
Shepherd. I've used some advice that Gaia's breeders gave me.  I start off
by telling the agency/landlord that I have an obedience trained dog.  I
also offer to put up a specific pet deposit.  If we are still talking at
this point, the next step has been to offer to meet the person responsible
with Gaia amd prove her obedience.  

It seems to help if you can avoid mentioning the breed or the size of the
dog until this is out of the way.  Another useful bit of information to
present is (if it is the case) that your dog is crate trained and is used
to spending time at home alone.  

Yes, the market is limited for pets, but a lot can be done to maximize the
potential.  For various reasons, we've moved quite a bit.  But in 5 years
and in 4 very different markets, we've managed to find rental housing in
less than 1 week.  Privately owned housing is a better bet, but some
complexes wil take a larger pet.  The key seems to be selling your own
responsible pet ownership.  Once you're in, take the initiative and help
to police those who aren't responsible.  It is our business as these
people will ignorantly ruin it for everyone if they are ignored.

Karen
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: breeding a lab
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:37:00 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Raymond Velez (rvele@ctp.com) wrote:
: 	I am interested in breeding my 11 month male black labrador.
: I figure since he seems to be a healthy, smart lab I would like to
: breed him before he gets neudered.(sp)  Anyway, suggestions and names
: of people to be breed with are welcome. Thank You.
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Among other things, at 11 months old, you can't tell if your dog has hip
displaysia.

Karen
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Distribution: world
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 23:49:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Rottweilers
Comment-To: robert.e.covello@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Have your pup sit before you speak to her or pat her in any way when
you first come in.  Your dog is very young, and her excitment will
tend to build on iitsel.  She gets excited, you get excited, she gets
hyped to the point that she scratches you or bumps into you, or just
continues to get more and more hyped for the next 20 minutes.
  You may have to stage several entrances to desensitize her a bit to
your returns.  Remember- don't touch her or speak to her at all if her
butt is off the floor.  She will wiggle, whine, and give many kisses,
but will soon learn what is expected of her in the way of a greeting.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: bigrasl@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dominant Behaviour
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:50:10 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

Does anyone know of a book that deals with dominant behaviour in dogs. ie.
training, how to cope with them etc.
Any help in this matter would be appreciated.
		Lydia & Indy (Sir Trouble) 
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:31:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog--when first dog is older
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

If you get another dog, be sure to introduce them on neutral territory.  Even
once they both go home together to your house, it will be a few weeks before
Rusty really warms up to the new dog.  You might be surprised at how much they
might play together.  I've mentioned before that at times, in addition to my
own two dogs, I have raised a dog or two for Canine Companions for Independence.
So at times, I have three dogs.  The third dog is constantly instigating a play
session with one or the other of my own two.  They love it.  

Another idea would be to babysit someone's well-mannered dog for a weekend,
but again, introduce them on neutral territory and bring them home together.

That way you could see Rusty's reaction.
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Brewer's Yeast?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:49:43 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <6820012@hpgrla.gr.hp.com> karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Karen Klemm) writes:
>I've heard about feeding a dog brewer's yeast along with its food to
>help make the coat shiny.
>
>How much brewer's yeast is appropriate (this is about a 20 lb. dog)?
>Are there any ill side effects?

This probably won't apply for most of you, but --

I posted a while back about a situation with my 13-year-old dog in which I
was giving her brewer's yeast in the (large) amounts recommended on the
bottle in a vain attempt to repel fleas, and it seemed to have the effect of
greatly worsening an existing weakness in her back legs.  It was really only
by chance that I made a possible connection between the two, so I mention it
at every opportunity :-) in case anyone else might have this experience.  She
improved a great deal when I stopped giving her the brewer's yeast, and as
you can imagine, I felt like a jerk for having given her something that hurt
her.  

I should mention that neither of the two vets I mentioned this to had ever
heard of such a connection, but that was what I observed.