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From: akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Ziad Akir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Employment/University Service
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:47:56 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Originator: akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu




Dear netters:

Few days ago, someone posted an e-mail address both for BITNET and INTERNET
for university and employment services that are offered for ASEAN students.
The address was as follows:  listserv@iubvm.usc.indiana.edu (for INTERNET).

For some reason or another, I could not send a subscription note to this
address.  The mail keep bouncing back and telling that the host is unknown.
Is it possible that there is something missing from the address.  Help please.

Thank you very much.

- Ziad
 akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
From: nlatif@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Keywords: Malaysia for Malays, more likely
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:40:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <lg58r6INNfv@yoakum.cs.utexas.edu> fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan) writes:
>
>Please enlighten me, how did this quantum leap of logic come about ? You
>may think that Malaysia is for Malays only (I really don't give a hood

Hey dude! I did not say that Malaysia is for Malays only.  I think that u r 
somehow misled here.

>about whether that is true), but where did the Singapore is for Chinese
>only come about ? Lexicon wise there isn't even a slightest resembling
>between Singapore and Chinese. Your insinuation is not only dispicable 

Oh yeah! If thats so, why did LKY want a separate state/country then??

>, it is dangerous. It is bad enough that you can not handle the heat of
>the problem in your own house, you have to drag your heighbour into your
>own mess. Shame on you.

And again, I did not try to drag my "neighbour" into it.  Hey why did you have
to be such a pain in the butt??!!

>I see, that is why we have SOOOOO MANY HAPPY CAMPERs from Malaysia on this
>net. You are such a liar.

Are you saying about the bumis or non-bumis??

>LKY practically had to "drag" Tony Tan, Goh Chok Tong et al.out from whereever
>they were to get them involve in politics, was it because they were 
>discriminated against therefore didn't want to get into politics too ? In
>LKY's own word, it is difficult to get ANYBODY interested in politics nowadays.
>Because WE (including ALL races) are happy at where we are, and to serve as
>a public servant (unlike in some other country) is not a FAT PAYING JOB !!!

This is from your point of viwe (a Chinese).  Have you ever listened from 
another person point of view (the Singaporean Malays perhaps)?? I have!!
And believe me, its just the same as in Malaysia (only its the opposite).

>Now that I have cleared some of your "doubts", do pay attention to what you
>have to say. They will come back and haunt you sometimes.

Oh BTW, can u please tell me how many Malays (approx.) are there in your 
cabinet??  I assume that you r from Singapore. 

Azli.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:22:19 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: The Emperor Series vol. 1 

Friends,

            The recent success of "The Emperor Series vol.1" has lead me
to incorperate your nettwork(I still think that this word is a
hit)together so that I would not write so much. I have also expanded the
title to: The Emperor, King, Ruler and President Series". I started this
masterpiece on the s.c.j nettwork. I will beginning Part Two of "The
Emperor: King Kojong". For Part One, please send a self-addressed
envelope to: Carnegie-Mellon University
                              Civil Engineering Dept........Well, maybe
this isn't a good idea. Please address all inquiries to:  Mr. Rikiya
Asano
                                                     307 Renova St.,
                                                     Pittsburgh, PA 15207

                                                         Thank you. 

              I will resume the "Emperor, King, Ruler and President
Series" on Monday. Now, I should explain what this is. The title is
self-explainator save
that it will only concentrated on the Asian world. So far I have
moderate information but I hope to expand the data as time goes on(and
as time affords itself). I also hope that it will be as successful as it
was on the s.c.j nettwork. I believe that we as Asian humans have an
unique history as anyone else. I also believe that given time the
history of Asian will enlighten and teach mankind the value of his
existances.

                                             There was so asking as to
why I choose to speak of Emperor Kojong first. Yes, I pick this
indivdiual because
I felt that he and his story was "Best suited" for the first
introduction. so, there it is. so, excuse me now I have to write to the
Postmaster of CMU.

                Thank you for this wonderful opportunity! Oh, yea the intervals
of these documentaries(news or intestigative news research as I like to
say) will be about one or two a month. Thank you.
               

         

From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 11:04:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone from Klang? WAS FROM!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

I'm from Klang although I had left this place from 1973. I have not heard of
this school ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Anyone from ANGLICAN HIGH/NGEE ANN POLY Singapore??
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Singapore
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:44:00 GMT

In article <ht1.721410215@Ra.MsState.Edu> ht1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Haw-Lin Tan) writes:
>Hi, I would to contact some friends from Anglican High (Upper Changi) or
>form Ngee Ann Polytechnic. I studied in Anglican High in 1985-86, in Ngee
>Ann Poly in 1986-89.Also, a three month in Temasek JC in between.
>Please contact me at ht4@ra.msstate.edu.




Ngee Ann now has a machine on internet. Try np.ac.sg or 
stargate.np.ac.sg (153.20.24.40).

-Mann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,news.groups
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.singaporean
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:22:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.055706.1277@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, mfltan@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Fock-Lai Tan) writes:
|> [ Article crossposted from news.groups ]
|> [ Author was Mar Siew Cheong ]
|> [ Posted on Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:24:07 GMT ]
|> 
|> Proposed Newsgroup's Name
|> =========================
|>   soc.culture.singaporean
|> 
soc.culture.singapore is more in line with the rest of the news group
in the soc.culture hierarchy
 
|> Newsgroup Creation
|> ==================
|>   The discussion for this group will last from Monday, Nov. 9, 1992
|>   until Friday, Dec. 4, 1992. The discussion should take place in 
|>   news.groups. All followups should be under this same title heading.
|> 
The discusssion should be crossposted to soc.culture.asean  as more
Singaporeans read s.c.a then news.groups.  Thank FLTan for posting to
s.c.a.
 

So... S'pore is now big on usenet and want its own group.  Just a
suggestion,  there should be a majority (say 70%?) of "yes" voters
from Singapore (i.e. accessing usenet from Singapore) to consider it a
true "yes".  Otherwise we are just diverting traffic from s.c.asean.
 
...Kyle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<3379@peking.gdwb.oz.au> <1992Nov05.101227.29347@bnr.uk>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:53:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.101227.29347@bnr.uk> bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:

   Yes, Zam was unruly but at least he was keen to build some form
					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   of harmony not just stirring things up.
   ^^^^^^^^^^

Madam, surely you jest?  As someone who had the opportunity to verbally spar
with the abovementioned person, I can tell you that your former comment is an
understatement and the latter is pure optimism!!!  And, yes, I've been around
for some time on this forum, too!
 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Thiam Khaw)
Subject: Re: Malaysia News , Nov 8th, 1992
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:26:02 GMT

Where did you get all these news from, huh? I am looking for NST (Malaysia) newspaper here. ANy idea how I can subscirbe one, I mean the oversea addition?

Please reply : khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:41:48 GMT
Organization: Ramblin Wreck at the North Ave.

In article <1992Nov6.090401.11873@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

	[gibberish deleted]

> 
> --
> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

	Here we go again...for how long this time?  one month perhaps...two?
	Til hell freezes over?
	
	Whatever you say Mr. Othman Ahmad sir, you know you're the smartest
	guy next to King Salomon anyways right?

	I hope netters will be prepared this time, knowing that you're back 
	on board, I kinda sorda know where this net is heading in a      
	couple of weeks.

	welcome aboard nevertheless.  

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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:05:37 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Teck Loh (tloh@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote:
: 
: It is a matter of principle. Let's assume that the goose belongs to us. Do you
: think that it is right for you to take it without having to share?? I will
: let the readers decide for themselves.

What proof have you got that these eggs are not shared? None.
Some of the eggs do not come from the gooose.
: 
: 
: >>In US, you can see a lot of the white majority trying to help the minority. It

The same is true in Malaysia. The chinese helping the Malays. The ability to
help has nothing to do with being in the majority rather in being smart and
organised in getting rich.

: elected them. Who are the people that represent the poor chinese and Indians?
: Have you ever seen poor chinese living in slum areas, working part-time to
: support their family while studying in primary school while some of our

Haven't you seen worse cases of Malays in slum areas also working part-time,
to support their family while studying in primary school?

	The worsst thing is that some Malays are actually STARVING. And not just
a few, but entire villeges.
	I've never hear of these cases among the chinese and indians who are
more urbanised.
	Some indians in forced labour situations but this also happen to 
Malays.
: other fellow Malaysians received all the support from the government. I believe
: there are a lot of things which we know from our personal experiences. By the

Have you learned from other races' experiences as well?

Government can only help if they know about it. Towns are well served with
all the basic facilities but not the rural areas. There are worst cases in
rural areas.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: mmuhamad@lambada.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: I'M BORED!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:57:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


AAArrrrggggghhhhh!!

 Guys! We are out of hot, sizzling and funny stuffs here.  I used to have so 
much fun reading this newsgroup.  This newsgroup used to be so interesting to 
me but now it looks rather `political` which I am totally not really `into'.
Where are those gossip and `flame` about pakcik ..:)  More gossip!
More gossip!    Gee if you excuse me brb...ciow!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c60a-nd@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Will Halim)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:33:02 GMT

subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:

[lotsa stuff deleted for simplication of my point]

> Maybe this explains why a lot of Chinese migrates to different
>country as well as Indians. If you take America, once you become a citizen
>of this country, there is a chance for you to be a President. I know is not
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that easy but atleast there is no law or constitution saying that you can't.
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WRROOONNGGG !!!!

to be a candidate for Presidency, he/she must be an AMERICAN-BORN.
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
so, there's no change for an immigrant for becoming a president of US, unless
he/she could persuade the Congress to change the constitution,i.e., make
an amendment for that. And it's very unlikely to happen in US (i'm sure
you guys know why.)
But, it's possible for his/her child to become one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: S.H Choi at Purdue
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:48:40 GMT



Hello, everyone :)

I'm trying to get in touch with Ms. S.H Choi at Purdue University.
I'm therefore wondering whether she has an comp. account there. If anyone
can  1) supply the name of the sites at Purdue so i can do a finger
or   2) her e-mail address (unlikely)
or   3) tell her that i'm trying to get in touch with her
i'd be grateful. She's a masters student: full name Choi Sook Han from
Muar, Malaysia.

thanks in advance for any info.


kelvyn chin at NTU, SGP
From: s921585@otto (Chia WONG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Bill Clinton's American Dream
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:36:27 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

The landslide win for president-elect Clinton in the US election may
signify a diminishing role of US in the World affairs.

The win indicates that the people in US is so concerned with the domestic 
economy that they want a new administration that will address their social,
economic, health and education problems.

As such, the Clinton administration will give more attention to the domestic
problems in US.  To reduce the deficit, troops are likely to be reduced or
withdrawed from overseas bases in the post-Cold War era.  

Who, then, will fill the 'policeman' role in East Asia with the American troop
withdrawal?  China, Japan, India or Indonesia ?

The increased military spending in East Asian region and the conflicts over
the Sprately Islands etc is worrisome.

Will the current political scene lead to an eventual showdown? Let's hope not.


-- 
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** email: s921585@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au   **
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From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:48:24 GMT

bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:

>(For the rest of you, yes, I've been reading big books
>with difficult sppeliong. Got to have more than just K&C
>in life, a bit more Milan K, instead!! :) :) :) )

I see, now I undestand why I have to bear your brunt. 
It is good that you appear to have 'cool' down somewhat.
An all out flame war, surely I 'KALAH' lah ! :)

>I did say there is nothing wrong with drinking in a Chinese restaurants
>Most roadside hawkers are Chinese. Malays buy drinks and sometimes
>food from them. Surely you must know all this being the good
>Malaysian that you are.

I am flattered. hee.. hee..hee :) :) :)


>"Najis" is a Malay translation of an Islamic term that means
>"unclean". Yes dogs, pigs, blood, etc is "unclean" and that is part
>of the Islamic laws.(hukum). If you cannot fully appreciate or 
>understand this I suggest you take your questions to soc.religion.islam.
>It is not a derogatary term in this case, just the correct Malay 
>"interpertation" of an Islamic hukum. The Malay word may not be "correct"
>but I'm not a Malay ulama

Do you agree that to translate 'unclean' into 'shit'(najis) sounds
biased ? Not very nice to say people eating shit isn't it ?
( I am saying it with a gentle tone please. No intention of
starting another flame - as I say I sure 'kalah'.)

>>You mean men & ladies are same ? With ladies you won't
>>be caught Khawat you know ?? :)



>Don't be obtuse sir. Your argument as I recall it is that Malays

Just 'pulling your legs', Miss. No hard feeling. :)

>consider the Chinese somehow unclean. I did say that Muslim ladies
>can shake hands with ANY(notice this!!) non-related man provided she has
>her hands covered. Muslim ladies do not have ANY problems wit ANY
>non-Muslim sisters.


>I've been reading this newsgroup for a couple of years but
>have never see the level of silliness and almost total
>hatred shown in the recent postings (I DO NOT mean Mee Teng
>himself, just in general, a couple of postings in specific)

I see , so I am not exactly on you 'kill list'. Count myself
lucky, or it is that you have compassion on 'net babes' ? ;)


>Are you lot of Malaysians out there really that bad???

No Madam.

>Till then, I'd better finish this bit of code( and make my
>rojak buah)


Enjoy your rojak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (SORRY SCOTT... WAS AN ACCIDENT ;))
Subject: Re: Thanks, En. Othman - honestly
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:23:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.154247.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
> You think "it is a kind of genocide"... It's either genocide, or not genocide.
> Not "kind of".  Make up your mind.

For what it's worth, I was once dining with a friend of mine at her place,
when her Mum served up two dishes.

I asked "Which one's more fatal?"
To which her Mum replied: "[Fal], something is either fatal, or it's not, not
'more fatal'."
My friend then stated "Well, it could be the one which, after it kills you in
this life, makes you skip one afterlife and go onto the next..."

Well I thought it was funny  ;)

Fal...reply to c9110499@brolga.newcastle.edu.au
From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Date: 13 Nov 1992 14:57:13 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoakum.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Malaysia for Malays, more likely

In article <97500@netnews.upenn.edu>, nlatif@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:

> >about whether that is true), but where did the Singapore is for Chinese
> >only come about ? Lexicon wise there isn't even a slightest resembling
> >between Singapore and Chinese. Your insinuation is not only dispicable 
> 
> Oh yeah! If thats so, why did LKY want a separate state/country then??

Where and when did LKY said the reason to form a separate country is 
because he wanted Singapore for Chinese only ? You are not only a liar,
but a very lousy one too. I will be more than willing to eat my own word
if you can quote a source supporting your accusation, else you are what
you are, a sour dispicable liar who happens to be a Malay. 

> 
> >, it is dangerous. It is bad enough that you can not handle the heat of
> >the problem in your own house, you have to drag your heighbour into your
> >own mess. Shame on you.
> 
> And again, I did not try to drag my "neighbour" into it. Hey why did you have
> to be such a pain in the butt??!!

Oh now I'm the pain in your butt because I reviewed your urgly side, or
was it because I exposed your lies in front of thousands of reads, glad I
can help.

> 
> >I see, that is why we have SOOOOO MANY HAPPY CAMPERs from Malaysia on this
> >net. You are such a liar.
> 
> Are you saying about the bumis or non-bumis??

If you are so obtuse to notice the obvious, I guess I will save my strength.

> 
> This is from your point of viwe (a Chinese).  Have you ever listened from 
> another person point of view (the Singaporean Malays perhaps)?? I have!!

Yes I have and what do you have to say to that ! And please don't give
me the excuse that your source is more "open" to you because you are a
Malay, don't insult my intelligent.




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