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From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Subject: Re: AUX and Appletalk file sharing
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:21:13 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833

In <1341@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:

>cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss) writes:


>>I have a question regarding AUX and Filesharing on non AUX Macs.
>>It seems that as long as somebody is logged in at the console of 
>>the machine running AUX, they can publish folders which other MAcs
>>can mount using the File Server under Chooser.

>>My question is:  Is there any way to *leave* things published?

>FileSharing is a MacOS "utility" and so, for A/UX to provide for it,
>the MacOS environment must be running. Now the MacOS "running" during
>the Login screen is a _very_ minimal one. This is due to the fact that
>it's sole existance is to "run" the Login program. It's also very
>concerned about security (that's why you can't access Control Panels
>and the like). So, you can't run FileSharing under the Login program
>(nor could you run it in the straight Console mode or X11)...
	
	But you could grab the sources for CAP, and run an AppleShare
	Server under A/UX so that nobody has to be logged in to access
	the files. It may be overkill for what you want/need, but it
	will do the job.

	Marcelo -

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From: bob@beamlab.ps.uci.edu (bob prohaska)
Subject: AppleTalk names are always taken
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Organization: uci physics department
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:02:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux

How is one supposed to assign names on an appletalk network?

I've tried to use my login name on my 2-node network, but the system
always reports that whatever name I've choses is already in use.

The network consists of a iici running a/ux 3.0, a laserwriter ntr
and occasionally an se-30 running system 6.0.7 (usually the se-30
is not present).

The problem surfaced after the system had been set up and running
for some time. Up to that point I'd always used my login name as my
appletalk name; do I misunderstand something?

I've got a full set of 2.0 docs, so if somebody can point me to the
correct (pound or so of) pages it's be much appreciated!

Thanks for reading!

bob
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Has anyone ported gnu make?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:02:20 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In comp.unix.aux, article <C0333E.1vD@world.std.com>,
  rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:
> I've been having loads of trouble (i.e., memory faults, segmentation
> errors, random hangs) porting gnu Make v 3.62.  Has anyone else tried
> this port?  I'm getting close to giving up.
> 
Grab gcc (newest) from somewhere. Grab the latest Make from
alpha.prep.ai.mit.edu. It works almost out-of-the-box (I had
to hack -sposix into the Makefile generated by configure, 
probably some other very minor changes I can't remember).

-- 
Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: EtherTalk Phase I on A/UX 3.0?
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:13:52 GMT

eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes:
: Is there *any* way to add EtherTalk Phase I protocol support to
: A/UX 3.0?  "Upgrading" to Phase II is absolutely *not* an option,
: and going the LocalTalk<->Ethernet route is, well, distasteful,
: to say the least.  (Anyone ported netatalk?)
: 
: If the answer is "no," are there any A/UX "alternatives" that are
: less braindead in this respect?  The least desirable course of
: action is to scrap the Apple hardware...
: 
: 					-=EPS=-

I'm not sure, but if there is a Shiva FastPath (localtalk to ethernet gateway)
on your network it can be configured to translate phase 2 to phase 1.

Greg.
--
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Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Hardware flow control
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:43:18 GMT

rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:

>I've been using a high speed modem (Practical Peripherals PM14400FXSA)
>for dial-out for many months now.  The modem came with a hardware 
>handshake cable, and that's been fine. Now I want to do dial-in/dial-out.

>How do I set up for hardware flow control?  Can I even do it?  I
>understand from the FAQ that using hardware flow control means that the 
>login doesn't drop if the line disconnects, but in my case I think I 
>can live with that.   Are there other differences in the configuration 
>that I need to know about?

>Also, the book that came with the modem shows two wiring diagrams for
>Mac cables:

>hardware handshake              software handshake
>mac         modem               mac          modem
>1           20&4                1            20
>2           5                   2            8
>3           2                   3            2
>4&8         7                   4&8          7
>5           3                   5            3

>Neither of these matches the configuration shown in the FAQ.

The cable in the FAQ is for Dialup Security... that it, it monitors
CD (DCD) and when dropped, hangs up the line.

>Maybe the plan in the FAQ is best... use the exact cable and settings
>given...  But where can I get such a cable?  Do I have to roll my
>own?

If you want Dialup Security, then you will need to make your own. The reason
why is because all other cables are created with the MacOS in mind, and the
MacOS "knows" about all the pins on the modem port.

If you need hardware handshake, then follow the directions of your
manufacturer. You may also need to setup DTR flow control, depending
on the handshaking implementation...
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: lagana@smeagol.sps.mot.com (Antonio A. Lagana)
Subject: Where did 10MB of my Memory Go?
Reply-To: lagana@smeagol.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:32:18 GMT

Hi,

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I just did 'pstat -m' and got 
the following (puzzling) result:

2000 buffers: 0 busy, 0 wanted, 622 done, 1371 nodev
156 out of 256 UFS inodes active
19 out of 100 processes active
75 out of 256 files active

Total memory = 20472K, currently free = 7804K


The puzzling thing about the above result is that this is following the start
of a 32-bit Mac session.  The only active processes are the Mac OS, Finder,
and Command Shell (besides all the unix background processes and daemons).
"About This Macintosh" reports that the largest unused block is approximately 
17MB.  Does anyone know what might be the cause of the discrepancy?  If it 
makes any difference this is on a standalone Quadra 700 with the following INITs/CDEVs:
Disinfectant INIT, Gatekeeper/Aid, FM Backup, AfterDark, PopChar, SuperClock, Norton
File Saver, JustClick, and Extension Manager.


Thanks in advance,

Antonio A. Lagana                               lagana@smeagol.sps.mot.com
Motorola Inc.                                   (512) 891-3532

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Subject: Re: Apple's 400MB drive
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:28:08 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833
Keywords: Apple HD 400

In <1haq4jINNc5v@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:

>The 400MB internal hard drive that came with my Q700 was a Seagate.
>Unfortunately, I'm not at home, so I can't look up the model number
>(although my flaky memory tells me it's a ST1480N)

	OK, anybody have the disktab entry for this beast? I looked
	through the file on jagubox and didn't find it.

	Thanks for the info.

	Marcelo -

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:35:04 MST
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: CD ROM drive to install A/UX 3.0
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: parkj@bones.et.byu.edu (John R. Park)

I looked in the FAQ list for the answer to this question
but I didn't see it.  Can anyone tell me if any NEC CD-ROM
drives will work for installing A/UX 3.0?


-- 
John R Park             |  My opinions do not necessarily reflect
parkj@bones.et.byu.edu  |  those of Brigham Young University.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Subject: Has anyone ported gnu make?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:54:50 GMT

I've been having loads of trouble (i.e., memory faults, segmentation
errors, random hangs) porting gnu Make v 3.62.  Has anyone else tried
this port?  I'm getting close to giving up.

BTW - I'm trying this because I have makefiles from another platform
which use the $(VAR1$(VAR2)) construct, which the standard make on
A/UX 3.0 doesn't like -- yeah, it has some nice alternatives, but the
other platform doesn't understand those...  So I figured I'd settle
on Gnu as my standard makefile format.  So far, no luck.  Anyone have
any suggestions, beside changing my makefiles to use the least-common
denominator of all makefile formats?

-- 
             Richard H. Schwartz, Scheduling Systems Inc.,
            1000 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA  02138
                  (617) 864 8330; FAX (617) 864 8377
                          rhs@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: A/UX mail problems
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:10:00 GMT

kingtut@world.std.com (Kingtut) writes:
: I just installed a full copy of A/UX 3.0 on my MacIISI with 17MB RAM and a 210MB HD. I created a new user and tried to send it mail from root, but the shell hug and I had to kill it from an other one.
: 
: Anyone know whats wrong?
: 
Perhaps sendmail is not correctly configured.

BTW, I junked both sendmail and mail(x) in favor of smail and elm.  All of
my mailer problems disappeared.  I can even reply to mixed addreses containing
!,%,., and @ all in the same address.  Sendmail never was able to do that.

Good Luck!

Greg.

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gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.
Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: AUX and Appletalk file sharing
Date: 29 Dec 1992 04:37:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have a question regarding AUX and Filesharing on non AUX Macs.
It seems that as long as somebody is logged in at the console of 
the machine running AUX, they can publish folders which other MAcs
can mount using the File Server under Chooser.

My question is:  Is there any way to *leave* things published?
I'd like to publish a directory and leave it published even if
the console is sitting at a login prompt.  The directory I want
to publish is actually an NFS mount point to a drive on another
workstation (HP).  This is the easiest way for the people in our
documentation department to transfer files from thir Macs to the
Unix network, but in order to do it, they're always having to
come downstairs and log in at the console so the directory
(folder to them) gets published.

We try to leave the machine always logged in, but somebody always
logs out.


-- 
		-Dave Williss
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Standards are great!  Everybody should have one of their own!
From: levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Snake Bit Again
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:50:25 -0500
Organization: Listserv to Netnews Gateway at pucc.Princeton.EDU

Sigh,

Still trying to sort out my hardware problems...

I cannot format 1.44 MB floppies while running aux 3.0 in any
of the enviroments (X11, Console or Mac).

However when running a standalone mac enviroment I can format the
same disks!

Environment:
Mac II, with Mac FDHD upgrade 20 MB memory, Daystar 40 MZ accelerator
(with cache "off" cuz I get crashes with the cache "on").

Any one else have similar problems?

Jerry LeVan ( levan%eagle@eku.bitnet or matlevan@eku.bitnet )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: rns@ausom.oz.au (Ross Sheehy)
Subject: Inn -- has anybody installed it under A/UX?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:14:00 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

The subject line more or less says it all.
Has anybody got Inn working under A/UX (specifically 2.0.1)?
If so what is needed?

In my last attempt to install the package, I managed to get the daemon working
for reading, but not posting. The dosumentation implies that all that is needed
is to add -lbsd to the LIBS line in config.data. I have not found this to be
the case. If anybody has any pointers I would greatly appreciate their help.
A working config.data file would be wonderful!

This is my second posting asking for help. I'm not sure whether the silence
following my first posting meant that nobody uses Inn on A/UX, or that mail
didn't get through. 
Mail needs to be addressed to rns%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au. 
I read this group regularly, so followup postings are also welcome.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ross Sheehy (rns%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au)                    |
|   Don't hurry.  Don't worry.  Take time off to smell the flowers. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: li@oculus.loni.ucla.edu (James Li)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Diffs to gs252 (ghostscript 2.5.2) on A/UX 3.0
Keywords: ghostscript 2.5.2 A/UX 3.0 aux gs gs252 bugs diffs
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:30:09 GMT
Organization: Jules Stein Eye Institute

Here are the diffs I came across to successfully compile gs252.
I have done some preliminary testing and it works on various of
the .ps files included in the distribution as well as a few troff 
and pictures available here locally.  My next goal when I get around
to it will be to get ghostview working and/or connect an HPII to
the system.  If anyone has already done this and wishes to share
their experiences, I will eagerly listen.

James Li
li@oculus.loni.ucla.edu

P.S.  Happy Holidays to all!

[Diffs to compile gs252 on A/UX 3.0 below]

ls *old
  16 gdevmem.h.old     16 gp_unix.c.old      6 gscoord.h.old
oculus.li 3 % diff gdevmem.h*
134c134
< # /* error sizeof(int) must be 2 or 4 for correct operation. */
---
> #  error sizeof(int) must be 2 or 4 for correct operation.
oculus.li 4 % diff gp_unix.c*
27,29c27,28
< #include "sys/times.h"
< #include "sys/time.h"
< #include "time.h"
---
> #include "time_.h"
>
oculus.li 5 % diff gscoord.h*
45c45
<    ((pt)->x = (dx) / (pgs)->ctm.xx, (pt)->y = (dy) / (pgs)->ctm.yy, 0.0))
---
>    ((pt)->x = (dx) / (pgs)->ctm.xx, (pt)->y = (dy) / (pgs)->ctm.yy, 0))
oculus.li 6 % diff Makefile unix-cc.mak
74c74
< CFLAGS=-O -A3 $(XCFLAGS)
---
> CFLAGS=-O $(XCFLAGS)
oculus.li 7 %
From: stump1+@pitt.edu (Robert E Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: pcf_to_bdf
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:45:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: stump1@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu


	Well, the title says it all.  I need a translator that can take
a pcf font and translate to a bdf format.  I'm trying to use Messages
ans it works, but the fonts are fugly.  I don't even know if a utility 
is necessary, but I need something. Whatever you guys can come up with would
be great.  Email would be preferred but I will chek the group tomorrow
just in case. 

Thanks again...



				Stump.
From: ron@afsg.apple.com (Ron Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Popper for A/UX
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:06:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec19.023043.7994@csus.edu>, eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P.
Scott) wrote:
> 
> In article <sdorner-111292143142@0.0.0.0> sdorner@qualcomm.com
> 	(Steve Dorner) writes:
> >Now, there are two gotchas with popper.  One, it uses flock, not .lock
> >files.  At least, that's how Berkeley distributes it; if you get one
> >someone has already ported to A/UX, they may have changed it.
> 
> Interesting.  That's not changed in the version on afsg.apple.com.
> Ron?

What's the problem?  A/UX supports the flock(2) system call.  Perhaps the
above quoted text does not say enough about the problem that Steve is
refering to.  Why would you want .lock files?  Is there a conflict with
mailx? or /bin/mail?

The change is trivial, but I don't want to make it unless it is necessary.

--
Ron Flax
ron@afsg.apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: sean@visix.com (Sean E. Trowbridge)
Subject: Accelerators & A/UX
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:26:12 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA


Has anybody had any experience with A/UX and 3rd party accelerator boards
(like a DayStart PowerCache)? They seem to claim 100% software compatibility,
but I'm not at all sure that includes A/UX.  Any info is appreciated.

--
Sean Trowbridge
Visix Software Inc.
sean@visix.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: knee@netcom.com (Mark Lanett)
Subject: Re: Apple's 400MB drive
Keywords: Apple HD 400
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:52:23 GMT

dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:

>The 400MB internal hard drive that came with my Q700 was a Seagate.
>Unfortunately, I'm not at home, so I can't look up the model number
>(although my flaky memory tells me it's a ST1480N)

It is a ST1480N in all the Q700s I've seen.
-- 
/* Mark Lanett */
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: AUX and Appletalk file sharing
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:59:14 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In comp.unix.aux, article <1hokmeINN4ed@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
  cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss) writes:
> 
> It seems that as long as somebody is logged in at the console of 
> the machine running AUX, they can publish folders which other MAcs
> can mount using the File Server under Chooser.
> 
> My question is:  Is there any way to *leave* things published?

Go to the nearest archive site, get CAP instead.

-- 
To divest one's self of some prejudices, would be like taking off the
skin to feel the better.
                                -- Greville
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 14:58:27 MST
From: Ben Goren <AUBXG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: shlib in /usr/spool/ftp

Some people might construe this as a flame against Apple, perhaps
unwarrented, but at this point I don't give a damn.

I was just setting up anon. ftp, and decided to browse through what
somebody would see when they ftp'd in, and saw what I thought was
unnecessary "junk" since the man page for ftpd didn't mention it, and
it did mention everything else I saw. So, I decided to remove it.
What was it that I removed? A directory called "shlib." Those of you
who're more experienced with Unix and A/UX probably know the result
already....

Things immediately started going weird; it was then that I realized
that the directory had been hard linked to /shlib, which apparently
is Very Important, even though I've not yet seen any mention of it
in any man page. I then rebooted, figuring that anything that
important would get replaced from the autorecovery partition. That's
what it's there for, no? Aparently not.

Now, even the installer won't work; I figure I'm going to have to
steal a machine from somewhere, physically put my drive in it, install
A/UX on the other drive (the one that originally came with the new
machine), and hope that I can dump the filesystem with all my files
in it, so I won't have to go back to a month-old backup.

So why didn't Apple mention this all-important directory, and the
consequences of removing it? And why was it hard linked in the most
vulnerable spot in the whole machine in the first place?

I'm definately not happy. I've got deadlines pressing close, and now
I have to spend at least the rest of the day, and probably most or
all of tomorrow, cleaning up this mess. Sure, I should have known
better, but so should Apple. A/UX is, after all, an attempt at Unix
for those who don't know much about Unix, right? It seems to me I
should have been warned.

Grrrr.

b&
From: hlj@posix.COM (Hal Jespersen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Snake Bit Again
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:54:53 GMT
Organization: POSIX Software Group, Redwood City, CA

levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan) writes:
: Sigh,
: 
: Still trying to sort out my hardware problems...
: 
: I cannot format 1.44 MB floppies while running aux 3.0 in any
: of the enviroments (X11, Console or Mac).
: 
: However when running a standalone mac enviroment I can format the
: same disks!
: 
: Environment:
: Mac II, with Mac FDHD upgrade 20 MB memory, Daystar 40 MZ accelerator
: (with cache "off" cuz I get crashes with the cache "on").
: 
: Any one else have similar problems?
: 
: Jerry LeVan ( levan%eagle@eku.bitnet or matlevan@eku.bitnet )

[Excuse the posting, but your return email address is no good.]

I do.  And, as I said in my posting the other day, I cannot write MS-DOS
disks.  They seem to work OK, but the PC can't read the directories.
I run 50MHz, with cache on [I don't get crashes].

Hal
From: levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: More Weirdness
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:00:34 -0500
Organization: Listserv to Netnews Gateway at pucc.Princeton.EDU

Sigh~2,

I have a MacII with FDHD roms + 40 MHZ Daystar + 20 MB of memory.

I have set up uucp for outgoing stuff and can uuto the machine I
manage. If I am in X, and attempt to "cu" to the same machine, the
modem will not even take the phone off hook and I get a caller
script failed type error. (In fact the MR ready light on the T2500
light flickers on and off while the script attempts to execute.)
I am using the "telebit" dialer in the Dialers file.

If I "stty istrip" prior to the "cu" command everything works
as expected and I can connect just fine.

I am using BNU 1.16.

Anyone have an explaination for such devious behavior?


Jerry LeVan ( levan%eagle@eku.bitnet or matlevan@eku.bitnet )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux