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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:32:21 CDT
From:         Robin Cover <robin@UTAFLL.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Falk on SLS Italic
Comments: To: notabene@vm.tau.ac.il
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene


Re:
> From: Harry Falk <FALK@IBM.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>
> Subject:      SLS italics
> To: Robin Cover <robin@UTAFLL.UTA.EDU>

> There are many of us waiting for NB4, but from all the discussions it
> is hard to tell which new features necessitate the upgrade. Personally,
> I need:
>   1. SLS italics for transliterated asian languages,
>   2. possibility to arrange small footnotes horizontally,
>   3. shoulder notes
>   4. more font sizes,
>   5. diacritics of transliterated characters better placed (a-macron e.g.).
>   6. simple ways to edit characters on screen and for the (HP) printer

> This is about it. Apart for 1 and 4 NB4 does not give me relief. Again (if
> beta 3.11 is to be trusted) many characters absolutely essential for
> Vedic and Avestan, are absent (I had complained to DF about this
> three years back).  So I spent a week trying to understand the
> sls-hp.prn file. The result is more than I expected: Now I print SLS
> italics (underline on screen), have all characters needed and the
> diacritics are where they should be. Good bye NB4. Anyone in need of
> my prn-file may contact me and I'll send it - together with
> explanations about how to compose characters for the HP P2.

> Harry Falk

Congratulations, Harry.  I also once spent a week, maybe more, trying
to get italic characters for the transliterations sets under SLS,
since, it should have been obvious, if you have a non-Roman language
in transliteration, then it's probably "foreign," and almost every
style manual will want that "foreign" word in italics.  Lack of italic
support was just one of SLS's brain-dead features.  Alas, I never
quite got my revised printer drivers to work with HP II, so I finally
gave up in discouragement.  Awaited Lingua for another 2 - 2.5 years,
shifted to PostScript printing environment, and now hear that the
Lingua to be released will not support PostScript.

So, Harry, please send me what you have: I may yet be forced back to
tinkering with the HP in order to get proper printout of Greek, Hebrew
and the transliteration characters.  I may also be forced to buy
an HP Laser printer unless I can trick an aging PostScript printer
into emulating an HP (sans special HP font cartridges that would
hardly work in an older Apple LaserWriter).

If others face similar problems and have found good solutions (in SLS
or in Lingua-Beta), please contact me.

Robin Cover

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:29:46 EDT
From:         APG@CUNYVMS1
Subject:      4.0 ship date & 800#
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In May, I decided to switch to NB after the preliminary review of 4.0
appeared.  I received a xerox copy of the manual and was told to expect
the new material at the end of the month.  Since that time I have learned
of the user group and of the shipping problems.  As I just returned from
vacation, I phoned NBI today ans was told to expect all new reference
material in September.  The program itself might be shipped out starting
next week, but more likely not before two weeks--or September.

To the user who wanted the 800#: 1-800-969-6922.

Do any of the CUNY NB users know whether 4.0 will be supported by the
Computer Center?  I was told probably not as there is no network version.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 92 09:23:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: Travelogue proposal:Unusual request?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

You are more than welcome to see the setup here.  I am in Philadelphia and if y
ou are coming this way I think there are people at Annenberg and at the Univers
ity of Pennsylvania (a second affiliation for me) who are also using the softwa
re.  Ah, Philadelphia in August.  Almost too good to be true.

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:50:32 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: help with buying a printer; 4.0
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Austin Kerr writes:

> Much of my original message somehow disappeared into electronic oblivion.  My
> wife asked me to buy a laser printer.  We write in th eEnglish language.  I
 was
> waiting for 4.0, but need to make a decision soon.  Will 4.0 allowe me to
 print
> in proportional spacing, such as PT 121 or PT 102, WITHOUT having to buy a set
> of soft fonts to download or the Microsoft or similar cartridge, which is on
 an
> HP IIP in one of my offices?  In other words, would we be happy with any laser
> printer that is HP compatible, or would we be better off with an HP with a
> cartridge?

I reply on the list because this may be of general interest.  From
what I have seen so far in the beta versions (and I haven't received
the final production version of NB 4.0 yet) NB 4.0 does *not* include
proportional fonts.  These must be supplied by the user either in the
form of soft fonts or a cartridge.

The Lingua option of NB 4.0 *does* supply proportional soft fonts, not
only for Greek, Hebrew and Cyrillic but also for the Roman alphabet.
These are beautiful fonts, and as an added advantage the Lingua
printer drivers handle downloading transparently so the user never has
to pay attention to them.  I am rapidly becoming spoiled by this
feature of the beta version (among others).

If you are ordering NB 4.0 without Lingua and want to order a printer
you will have to investigate font sources as well.  If you are also
getting Lingua, the package includes quite presentable proportional
fonts and you may want to wait and check them out before buying
additional soft-fonts and/or cartridges.  That's my take on it, anyhow.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:25:25 EDT
From:         Buford Norman <N290024@UNIVSCVM>
Subject:      Desqview
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

After many phone calls and faxes, I still can't get DV to run BN and
IBM Personal communications 3270 in dv windows without frequent crashes.
Suggested fixes from Quarterdeck, such as separate wait states, resulted
in having to hit F keys, alt, etc. at least twice, and in making NB
almost unusable.  I tried the suggestions from the spate of DV listings on
this network a few months ago, and still didn't get my problem solved.
Does anyone have experience with this exact problem?
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:17:29 CET
From:         Harry Falk <FALK@IBM.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>
Subject:      SLS italics
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

there are many of us waiting for NB4, but from all the discussions it
is hard to tell which new features necessitate the upgrade. Personally,
I need:
1. SLS italics for transliterated asian languages,
2. possibility to arrange small footnotes horizontally,
3. shoulder notes
4. more font sizes,
5. diacritics of transliterated characters better placed (a-macron e.g.).
6. simple ways to edit characters on screen and for the (HP) printer,
This is about it. Apart for 1 and 4 NB4 does not give me relief. Again (if
beta 3.11 is to be trusted) many characters absolutely essential for
Vedic and Avestan, are absent (I had complained to DF about this three years
back).
So I spent a week trying to understand the sls-hp.prn file. The result is
more than I expected: Now I print SLS italics (underline on screen), have
all characters needed and the diacritics are where they should be. Good bye
NB4. Anyone in need of my prn-file may contact me and I'll send it -
together with explanations about how to compose characters for the HP P2.
   BTW, Beta 3.11 has a curious feature: the new "composed" characters
are not allowed in XLP programs. Is this just a beta deficiency or part
of NB4?If the latter should be true I will never use NB4.
   There are so many NB cracks on this list. Shouldn't we (the innocent users)
and the XPL wizzards form an alliance, tell us WHAT we need and try to
bypass DF/NBI? This way we may be in a position to predict when we will
get what we require.
Harry Falk
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:58:52 EDT
From:         robert kelly f <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Bramleys, cider, etc.
Comments: To: "Nota Bene e-mail list" <notabene@vm.tau.ac.il>
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So the EC is not only attacking German beer but English apples as
well.  What are you people up to over there?  On our side the latest
is an attempt to drown out Canadian beer with a flood of (God forbid!)
Budweiser and Coors.  Not that Labatt and Molson have been producing
much that's drinkable lately, but we do have some good local breweries
that may well go under.  And George Bush gets all worked up because some
of us think that real beer is more important than "free trade."

Sorry if this is too political, but some things in life--like writing
with Nota Bene and old apples and real beer--are pretty important.
That's one good thing about this list: we are all really anarchists at
heart, resisting standardization (except on our terms, of course).

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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:32:53 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Lockup on "Overflow" use, con't.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Alright, _don't_ tell me what Apple Betty is.  I can't wait till
the conversation turns to paprikash and palaczinta . . .

A month or so ago I reported on the habit NB has of locking up completely
when it tried to unload from memory the last of _x_ number of big files
that required an overflow.  One or more people responded (I'm sorry
but I can't remember who) with the suggestion that my D: ram disk was
too small, and suggested I get PC-Kwik, which can dynamically share
RAM w/ its cache.  I have done so, and, w/ a 1024K ramdisk (before,
w/ lockups, was 512K), everything works fine.  You were right, whoever
you are/were.

What is curious is that when the spill drive is c:--w/ tons of room to
spare--NB locks up; this was confirmed on an NBI tech support system as
well.

I'm less happy w/ the cache itself (it does not have delayed write,
in the name of security in the event of power-out or crash), and is
consequently more disk intensive than Hyperdisk; but the dynamic
RAM disk is integral to the cache, so I'm stuck w/ both.  Can't
have everything, I guess.
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Organization: Emory University - Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:59:22 EDT
From:         "David H. Hesla" <ILADHH@EMUVM1>
Subject:      A MISCELLANY
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1.  In the "mountains" of north Georgia, an area well below the Mason-Dixon
line, there are many apple orchards (as well as peach orchards, of course).
My preferred type is Granny Smith--green, crisp, and tart.
2.  What wonderful names apples have!  The list recently posted put me in mind
of the names W.H. Auden gives for two species of birds, veins of lead in Derbys
hire ("Friarfold Hush"), and the male and female genitalia ("Stargazer,"
"Sportsman's Gap") in A CERTAIN WORLD.
3.  Discussing apples and menus and ciders is a better way of passing the time
than Didi and Gogo ever discovered in a similar situation.
4.  This listserv must surely be one of the most erudite, literate, and witty
of the 600 or so academic listservs now extant.  Hurrah for us all.


DAVID H. HESLA
GRADUATE INSTITUTE OF THE LIBERAL ARTS
EMORY UNIVERSITY
ATLANTA GA 30322
ILADHH@EMUVM1
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:33:41 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      Re: apple crisp
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Dorothy, as usual, describes things well.  Here taste in Indiana apples is
just right.  I'll look for that recipe.

Gerald W. Schlabach
University of Notre Dame
Schlabach.1@nd.edu
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:18:32 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Requested recipe....
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What sort of chillies (whose name is legion)?
Hot, mild, medium? Small, medium, large?

--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:01:27 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      "Undisplayable" ascii in NB, ok in DOS
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I have been keeping a so-called "screen-snapshot" file created
whenever a hit a hot-key in Pro-Comm, my comm package, and each
screen gets appended to a file named pcplus.scr.  Something
weird has happened: when i call it up --both in NB and in
the DOS 5 editor, BTW--the file ends abruptly; the memory
count given by NB is 64K, which perhaps is significant.

However, the file by now is _much_ bigger (I've been kind of
appending and forgetting about it for over a year, but now
I need to collate the stuff), and all the data
is there, because it is viewable in buerg's LIST utility,
and I have gone so far as to do a hex mode thingie on it
to see if there was a rogue end-of-file marker just where
NB stops display. I didn't see anything that looks like it, but in any
event, this is approaching the outer-limits of my knowledge
of such things.  I dont even know how to clip the file up,
and even _get_ at the data, and do anything besides
cast baleful looks at it by shelling out to DOS.

Any advice?

Robert Braham
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:06:51 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Desqview & NB crashes
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

> NB ran fine in Desqview/X for me, until I switched to an Orchid
> Prodesigner/e video card.  Now invoking NB causes the entire screen, not
> just NB's window, to go crazy.

Tom,

Have you tried forcing the Orchid card into a "primitive" mode before
running Desqview?  Some graphics cards come with utilities that can be used
to force particular modes.  You might try forcing EGA mode, for example.

John Koontz
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:44:47 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: "Undisplayable" ascii in NB, ok in DOS
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Robert,

Download NOCZ12.ARC from <msdos.txtutl> (simtel20). This little
pgm will take CTRL-Z off your file, and you will be able to see
it fully in NB. It often happens when people upload texts with
CTRL-Z to the electronic media (we have had a long discussion
on this list about this a year or two ago).

You can also take the CTRL-Z sign if you have PCtools; but NOCZ is
so much more convenient.

Itamar
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:26:00 GMT
From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      Re NB4/Orbis shipping
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Regarding Peter Brinkley's question on the inclusion of documentation, I kept
my conversation to the date of shipping "NB4 and Orbis" and nothing more.
I should say, however, that, with the considerable exception of NB Ibid,
I have found the on-line Help system so thorough that I have seldom needed to
consult the documentation.  Thus, even if it is missing at the start,
experience has shown that it probably will not represent a major impediment to
anything.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:41:07 EDT
From:         John Thomas Dayton <tdayton@CTT.BELLCORE.COM>
Subject:      A Good Notebook
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PC Magazine, August 1992, has extensive reviews and comparative tests
of 80 notebook PCs.  Absolute must reading for anyone considering a
purchase.  Read everything, because there is good advice regarding whether
to delay purchase pending improvements in technology.  Be careful to
ask whether your desired notebook can suspend by saving RAM to hard disk,
or whether suspension is maintained only by the main battery (that's bad),
or by a secondary battery.  Secondary battery is good, but ask how long
RAM can be maintained that way.  (E.g., Gateway 2000's notebooks cannot
suspend to hard disk; Toshiba's T3300SL cannot, but has a secondary
battery that will hold RAM for as much as a week.)  Ask how much battery
life is reduced by the addition of RAM.  Adding RAM might actually
increase battery life, if you use the RAM as a disk cache.  Don't buy
RAM from the notebook manufacturer.  Buy it from one of the companies
that advertise in the back of PC Magazine--the ones that specialize in
memory upgrades, as long as you can add memory yourself without
voiding your notebook's warranty.  Consider saving $ by getting a smaller
hard disk and using a hard disk compressor such as the Stacker software.
Pay more attention to PC Mag's ZD battery test (typical use with
power management enabled) than to its worst-case Battery Rundown test;
ignore manufacturers' claims of battery life.
   I just ordered a Dell 325N.  It happens to be a PC Mag Editor's Choice,
but I carefully considered many machines before choosing this one.  Major
reasons:  5 hour ZD battery life (Toshiba T3300SL is only 3.5), suspend
/hibernate either to hard disk or RAM-supported-by-battery (at least,
that's what Dell's Tech Support SEEMED to say, so you should ask them
explicitly yourself, and if the salesperson seems unsure, call Tech
Support).  The Gateway 2000 386SL was my choice until I discovered that
it cannot suspend to hard disk.  Toshiba T3300SL was my second choice,
Gateway 2000 386SL my third choice.
   Don't forget to add the expense of an extra battery, maybe an extra
AC adapter so you don't have to haul one between office and home, and
probably a battery charger so you can charge one battery while you're
using the other, or charge both at once.  Comparison shop for these
accessories, because their prices differ wildly across manufacturers--
Dell's external battery charger is $269 (I didn't buy it)!

--
Tom Dayton  (John Thomas Dayton, Jr.)
Bellcore, RRC 1H226, 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway NJ 08854 USA
tdayton@ctt.bellcore.com
(908)699-6843 voice, (908)336-2969 fax
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:18:24 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      ez-btm01.zip -- a bug
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

There is a bug in BK.BTM on ez-btm01.zip. Please don't
use this batch; I'll upload a fixed version asap.

-- Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:32:41 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      RE: NB/Orbis shipping
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

On Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:22:23 EST Dorothy Day said:
>From what I understand, the Orbis currently shipping is the one we've
>been waiting for. Not that there may not still be a bug or two lurking
>somewhere, but this is a fully functional version.

Good news indeed.  As one who does not use SLS but is devoted to NB because
of textbase and IBID, I have been resigned to an even longer wait, and was
not even sure I would load 4.0 until a working version of ORBIS came.

Gerald W. Schlabach
University of Notre Dame
Schlabach.1@nd.edu
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 92 08:30:01 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Speller
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              925:40 pm

>
>
>
> Since I intend to keep NB3.1 even after 4.00 arrives, could anyone
> help me with the following small matter (directly, perhaps).  There
> seems to be small corruptions of my spell checker.  Instead of saying
> should it add a word to the personal disctionary "as is" it says
> something like "as character-that-looks-like-a-pencil-sharpener-with-a
> smiley-on-it s".  More serious, when it detects a double word, it
> simply draws a box around a block of text.  I have examined nb.exe and
> the wording there is OK.  Does anyone know the date of the 3.1 nb.exe
> file, my one on the distribution disk is 1988, but the one on my hard
> disk is 1990.
>
> --
> icj
> (I.C. Jarvie, Dept. of Philosophy, York University, Toronto)
> <icj@nexus.yorku.ca
>
>


 I have got this problem too; it occurred after I upgraded about three
weeks ago 3.0 to 3.1 by replacing dict.spl with an English version
instead of the American one. I used the supplied NB disks for the
purpose; these seem to re-write various system files including
keyboard and printer drivers. I also had a keyboard problem
thereafter: Ctrl+Shift+Scroll Lock caused the most complete lockup
imaginable because not even Ctrl+Shift+Alt+Esc allowed a re-boot: but
Ctrl+Alt+Del within NB did - which ought to have been impossible.

I solved that by taking over bits of the old .kbd file, but I don't
know what other damage has been done.

The spelling checker problem Ian Jarvie describes is worrying; those
of us who will not be able to get 4.0. May I reinforce his query? I
asked about this a week or two ago also.... Our guru here (who will
read this and Who Knows Everything) says that the answer lies deep in
a phenomenon called Life and is thus unknowable to all but the Sacred
Dragonfly.
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:29:08 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: help with buying a printer; 4.0
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Herb Basser writes:

> Is it the case that the laser fonts in lingua are only in 2 sizes?

The basic Lingua package includes 2 font sizes (10 and 12 point).
Support of other font sizes is an extra cost option, but it is
available.  The extended Lingua font set includes a wide variety of
font sizes, and the price compares very favorably with commercial
fonts available from other vendors.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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