From: lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rick Gates)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: November Hunt Results
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:56:47 GMT


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The winner for this months Hunt is:

	Hope N. Tillman
	Director of Libraries
	Babson College
	Babson Park MA 02157-0310

Hope scored the maximum points, 49, in an entry dated Sun, Nov 1, 5:10
EST.  Some of you may recall that Hope was our first winner.
Congratulations on a job well done!

I also received the first team entry for the Hunt.  Congratulations to:

	The Polar Raiders
	The University of Tromsoe
	Norway

The Polar Raiders scored 40 points.

As always, if any players would like to receive their scored entry,
feel free to send me a message.

STATISTICS
----------

Once again, we are up in total number of players, 27 in all this time.
In addition, I received numerous messages carrying comments,
suggestions, questions, and good words of support.

A STATEMENT OF DIRECTION
------------------------

One of the primary comments that I've received is "OK, I see how your
players accessed the information they're after, but how do they know
where to begin looking?  Where do they start?

With anything as large, dynamic and unique as the Internet, there are,
as one might guess, many different theories about how to get started.
These seem to fall into a couple of major camps.  The *extremes* of
these two camps are:

Camp 1: Let's get this damn thing organized.  We want a set of indexes
to the whole thing so we can find out what we what, when we want, once
and for all.  Nobody wants to go looking all over creation!  You learn
only by direction.

Camp 2: Are you kidding, you can't index the Internet.  It's too huge!
Not only that, but it's too dynamic.  Anybody can add to it.  Don't
try fencing it in.  You'll just kill it.  What you need to do is jump
in with both feet, roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty.  You
learn only by doing.

In reality there are few that would embrace either of these points of
view.  I believe that for the most part, the players are the type of
people that both recognize the need for better, more comprehensive
tools, but are so attracted by the volume of valuable information that
they're willing to jump in with both feet.  These are the pathfinders
of the Net.

To those that prefer to wait until the way is more established, I've
included both answers and suggestions toward the kinds of tools and
resources that *do* attempt to pave the way toward easier access.

So keep those comments coming.  As you can see, I will listen.

Finally, I've received enough requests about accessing previous Hunts
that I'm looking into ways to archive the questions, the answers, and
assorted comments.  Hopefully, this will allow me to keep overhead
commentary (such as this), to a minimum, and allow people to get right
to what they want.

ABOUT THIS HUNT
---------------

Some of the answers are a lot longer this time around, as I'm trying
to include more of the strategy of searching for those that have
requested it.

Many of Hope Tillman's answers are quite good in this respect.  Also
good at showing strategy (and entertaining reading to boot), were many
of the answers contributed by Stephen Elliott of Trent Univ.  Stephen's
answers all begin with the word Keys:.

Brygg Ullmer managed to answer all the questions using only the Gopher
server at the University of South Carolina.  Brygg admits that some
questions may be better served by accessing a resource directly
through telnet or ftp, but it's still a good demonstration of the
power and flexibility of Gopher.  (Thank you Univ. of Minn!)

Finally, thanks to the University of Arizona School of Library
Science, and Gretchen Whitney in particular, for letting me use the
computer lab to finish off these results while I'm here in Tucson on
vacation.  (Hey! We all have different ways to relax!)

SOME STRATEGY
-------------

For an idea about how best to get started, I'll leave it again to
Stephen Elliott.  He includes the following at the top of his entry:

  Meta-Strategy / Game Plan

  I get the impression that some people are sitting alone in a dark room
  staring at a MAIL> prompt wondering how to go about doing the Internet
  Hunt.  Sorry, can't be done.  If nothing else, you are going to have
  to get a copy of Scott Yanoff's list [Finger yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
  to see how to do that].  In addition to that, I would highly
  recommend:

  1. A copy of Zen and the Art of the Internet or similar document
  2. At least one actual human being to teach/help you [I rely on a
  systems librarian and a computer hacker - an excellent combination].
  3. Getting hooked up to a gopher service as soon as possible - a WAIS
  server and a trip in the WorldWideWeb would also give you an excellent
  idea of what's out there.
  4. Hytelnet is an excellent tool, but unless it's mounted on your
  system, you need a PC to make use of it.
  5. If all this completely baffles you then simply send notes to all
  your friends [NOT to your electronic conferences!] saying: "send me
  all the Internet stuff you have".


THE ANSWERS
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 1. (5) 'How can I get the text of the Supreme Court opinion on
 the "right to die" case CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF
 HEALTH?' 
 (Thanks to Neal McBurnett, AT&T Bell Labs, Denver for contributing
 this question.)

Winner's Answer

      The Supreme Court opinion text is on Cleveland Freenet in
      the Project Hermes Supreme Court opinion section. To get
      there,

      TELNET to freenet-in-a.cwru.edu
      Login as visitor or registered user
      At main menu, pick 4. The Courthouse and Government Center
      At next menu, pick 2. The Courthouse legal information
      At next menu, pick 6. Supreme Court Opinions (Project
       Hermes)
      At next menu, pick 6. Supreme Court Opinion File
      At Enter command, type slash enter
		slash is "/"

		enter is "enter key" or "return key"
      At Enter pattern to search subject, type name of case
	 "CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI"
      This will bring up the records from which to select
      the text of the opinion.

Other Answers
-------------

 USC-Math Gopher Service: Multitopic/Misc/Supreme Court rulings
 <search for "Cruzan">

 88-1503 Opinions (listed first) are for this case; 91-744 rulings cite
 the precedents established by this earlier case.

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 ftp to info.umd.edu, cd to /info/Government/US/SupremeCt/1989term
 get file called 88-1503

 INDEX in /info/Government/US/SupremeCt is useful in finding
 cases by name

 archie was used to find "supreme", "archie -slt supreme"

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 connect to Gopher at gopher.micro.umn.edu
 Select option 5, Internet file server (ftp) sites/
 Select option 2, Popular FTP Sites via Gopher/
 Select option 15, Supreme Court Rulings (CWRU)/
 Select option 2 for Index.

 Files available on CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH are:
 88-1503.S:      CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH, Syllabus
 88-1503.O:      88-1503--OPINION, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH
 88-1503.C1:     88-1503--CONCUR, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH
 88-1503.C2:     88-1503--CONCUR, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH
 88-1503.D1:     88-1503--DISSENT, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH
 88-1503.D2:     88-1503--DISSENT, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH

 The file containing the Opinion is 88-1503.O.   Return to the Supreme
 Court ruling menu and select 6, Ascii. The file we are looking for is
 #44.  You can have gopher mail this to you.

 Alternatively you could ftp to ftp.cwru.edu. The file is 
 /hermes/ascii/88-1503.O.filt.

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 2. (7) I'm hooked on the Usenet, and I've got a great idea for a
 new newsgroup.  Where can I find the steps I need to follow to
 put my machine on the Usenet?

Winner's Answer

      Use WAIS.  Telnet "QUAKE.THINK.COM" and select
      "JIK-USENET [pit-manager.mit.edu]. It is
      currently no. 170 (10/31/92).
      Pick keywords "Usenet newsgroup steps" to search.
      Among documents retrieved is the document which
      will do what you want:
      Jonathan Kamens, "How to become a Usenet site."
      You can request it to be sent to you by mail by
      selecting it and typing m (for mail) and then
      putting in your address when requested.
      Alternatively, ftp a copy from pit-manager.edu
      cd pub
      cd usenet
      cd news.announce.newusers
      get "How_to_become_a_Usenet_site."

Other Answers
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 anonymous ftp to   : pit-manager.mit.edu
	  login:        ftp
	 password:    <your own email address>

 go to directory:  pub/usenet/news.admin
 and get the file:       How_to_become_a_USENET_site

 In that same directory are more files that will help a starting
 usenet manager.

(Rick: Several folks suggested retrieving this, and other postings
from certain Usenet newsgroups.  Though this is certainly a solution,
I judged accessing J. Kamen's file from the FTP site a better
solution.  This is due to the fact that not all newsgroups/newreaders
make certain postings permanent.  Most newgroup postings have a
regular expiration date.  When I tried to retrieve this posting it was
listed as expired.  In order to get the information, I would have had
to wait until the file was posted again.)

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  3. (4) Hi, I'm learning to the play the guitar, and someone told
 me that there's a place on the network where I can get guitar
 chords for lots of different songs.  What I'm looking for
 specifically is the music to a song by the Indigo Girls called
 "Closer to Fine".

Winner's Answer

      Use anonymous FTP to ftp.nevada.edu.
      cd pub
      cd guitar
      cd Indigo-Girls
      bin
      get CloserToFine.crd
      get CloserToFine.tab

      You will find the guitar chords in both of these versions.
      The .crd file looks a little more recent; it also includes
      words to the song.  

Other Answers
-------------

 USC-Math Gopher Service:
 Multitopic/Music/Music Archives (cs.uwp.edu)/Guitar TAB files from 
   ftp.nev.edu.edu/Indigo_Girls/CloserToFine.Tab and CloserToFine.crd
 (Tablature and chords are included in these two files)

 ("archie -s closertofine" works nicely, too, returning FTP'able sources)


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 ftp to clouso.crim.ca, cd /pub/guitar/Indigo_Girls
 get CloserToFine.crd

 archie was used to find "indigo", using "archie -slt indigo"

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 Keys: chords, guitar, Indigo Girls, Closer to Fine
 Ideas: Having been around the Internet [there's no substitute for random 
 explorations], I knew that there was a lyric database on WAIS and WWW, but 
 rechecking these confirmed that chords were not part of that.  There's always 
 Archie, but since I wasn't sure what to put in [prog "guitars"? "chords"? 
 "music"?] I fell back, yet again, on Scott Yanoff's list.

 Answer:
 "Guitar Chords/TAB" on Scott Yanoff list
 ftp ftp.nevada.edu
 cd /pub/guitar
 get README and INDEX files
 [consult files, go back in]
 cd /pub/guitar/indigo_girls
 get CloserToFine
 [somewhere in there i set Binary, but I sent it in ASCII as well - I'm still 
 working on that distinction - I've had files that I could view in WordPerfect 
 but not print off - so close and yet...]

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 4. (7) Hello, I hope you don't mind questions via e-mail.  E-mail
 is all I have here in my department.  I'm interested in getting a
 program called hppscrpt.zip.  I found a description of it in a
 mail message from a listserv that I'm on.  It's at
 wuarchive.wustl.edu and in the /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer
 directory.  I've heard there's a way to issue mail commands to
 get files via ftp.  Where do I request this service, and what
 commands should I use to get this file?

Winner's Answer

      Address email to "ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com"
      The subject can be anything you want to use to
      keep track of it. The text must say:

	   connect wuarchive.wustl.edu
	   binary
	   chdir /mirror2/win3/drivers/printer
	   get hppscrpt.zip
	   quit

      There are possible variations that this may not
      cover. Before sending a file, check on its location
      by sending email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with
      the text HELP.

 The service is called BITFTP
 This is how to access it :

 send a mail to  :  BITFTP@PUCC.Princeton.edu

 the body of the mail should contain the following lines:

 FTP wuarchive.wustl.edu UUENCODE
 USER anonymous
 CD /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer
 BINARY
 GET hppscrpt.zip
 QUIT

Other Answers
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 Keys: hppscrpt.zip, wuarchive.wustl.edu, /mirrors2/win3/driver/printer
 Ideas: I've finally learned to check Scott Yanoof first, and then look further 
 if I have to.  But I didn't. [P.S. For me, this was the neatest question on 
 this Hunt - after doing it I found myself wondering why the people at 
 decwrl.dec.com would be this nice - I guess I learned something about
 the Internet ethos and good will.]

 Answer:
 MAIL> mail
 To: IN"ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com"
 Subject: [Return]

 Body of Letter:
 help

 [You get a note back explaining to you what you do, and you send a second 
 message:]

 MAIL>mail
 To: IN"ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com"
 Subject: November Hunt ?

 Body of Letter:

 connect wuarchive.wustl.edu
 binary
 chdir /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer
 get hppscript.zip
 quit

 [I did this fairly late at night and had the response in what seemed like 
 minutes.  Too cool.]

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 5. (2) What's Mark Watson's job at the University of Oregon
 Library?

Winner's Answer

      Mark Watson is Head of the Cataloging Department at
      the University of Oregon Library.
      The easiest way to find that was to use Gopher.
      Telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu and login as gopher.
      If you select phone books, other institutions, and
      then North America, at listing for University of
      Oregon, fill in template, line 1, with
      "Mark Watson" and press return. The rest of the
      information is then available.

      If instead, you choose to go to other gophers rather
      than phone books, you can access the University of
      Oregon gopher which will give you additional info.
      Choosing the entry "Search Ducksoup by keyword"
      and typing "Mark Watson." At this point a menu
      comes up with no. 3 as "Faculty" (taken from
      the /University of Oregon/Catalog/Library)
      Select 3. Faculty, to retrieve an alphabetical list of
      faculty. On scrolling to Mark Watson, his name is
      highlighted, and additional information appears.
	   He is Mark R. Watson, Assistant Professor,
	   Head, Catalogue Department. His educational
	   background is also given.

Other Answers
-------------

 head of the catalog dept.
 (from whois.uoregon.edu 43)

 this one was really hard! how was i supposed to know his middle 
 initial was "R"?

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 6. (5) Someone in class today mentioned that the people that run
 the Internet have just put together a bibliography of readings
 for novice users.  I know how to use ftp, but where do I find
 this bibliography?
 (Rick: I included a lot more of these answers than I normally would.
  I want novice users to have access to the wealth of material on
  getting started.)

Winner's Answer

      It is much easier to identify this bibliography by WAIS than
      by anonymous FTP but it can be done both ways.

      By WAIS, telnet quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Select source internet-drafts at nnsc.nsf.net (current
      source number 160). I decided to start with internet-drafts
      since it seemed logical that something new would come out
      first as a draft.
      Pick keywords: novice bibliography
      Top choice is desired document:
      "FYI on Introducing the Internet--A Short Bibliography of
      Introductory Internetworking Readings for the Network
      Novice. (date October 1992)
      file name is: draft-ietf-userdoc2-fyi-novice-01.

      By anonymous FTP, ftp to nnsc.nsf.net.
      NNSC.NSF.NET seemed to be the right place to look for
      something put out by the folks who run the net.
	   cd internet-drafts
	   bin (get files as binary)
	   get index-internet-drafts (to review to pick out
		internet bibiography for novice users).
	   get draft-ietf-userdoc2.fyi-novice-01.

      While much harder than wais, anonymous ftp will work -
      just takes longer.

Other Answers
-------------

 This question is sort of vague, but an excellent bibliography on the
 Internet is one edited by Mary Jensen.  You can find it via telnetting
 to liberty.uc.wlu.edu login as "lawlib".  Select option 11 ("Local
 Files") and then option 47 ("Internet Bibliography (Jensen)").
 It can be ftped from liberty.uc.wlu.edu as "/pub/lawlib/internet.bibl".

 There are also bibliographies in many tutoring documents about the
 internet, for instance: Zen and the Art of the Internet, the Bay Area
 Internet FAQ (section 4), the Internet Infoguide (from SURAnet) etc.

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 WAIS comp.internet.library
 Search using keywords "bibliography novice books internet"

 Subject: -17- Are there any books about using the Internet?
 Date: 14 Sep 92 00:00:01 EST

 Yes.  There are a growing number of reference books available on the subject
 of using the Internet.

 TITLE: Zen and the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide, 2nd ed
 AUTHOR: Brendan P. Kehoe
 PUBLISHER: Prentice Hall
 ISBN: 0-13-010778-6
 PAGES: 112
 PRICE: 22.00 $US

 TITLE: The Whole Internet User's Guide & Catalog
 AUTHOR: Ed Krol
 PUBLISHER: O'Reilly
 ISBN: 1-56592-025-2
 PAGES: 400
 PRICE: 24.95 $US

 TITLE: Internet: Getting Started
 SERIES: Volume 1, Internet Information Series
 AUTHOR: [SRI International, Network Information Systems Center]
 PUBLISHER:
 ISBN: 0-944-604-15-3
 PAGES:
 PRICE: 39.00 $US

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 ftp nic.merit.edu  (username: anonymous; password: guest)
 cd introducing.the.internet  (change to that directory)
 get intro.internet.biblio (get the file)

 Note:
 1. This file was created on October 14, 1992.
 2. It is for beginners.  The title is:  FYI on Introducing the Internet---
    A Short Bibliography of Introductory Internetworking Readings 
		  for the Network Novice
 3. If you ftp from a PC, or a VAX account, you should change the file
    name so that it fits the file name requirement of the system.  For
    example, from a DOS PC, you should enter the following command to
    get the file.
    get intro.internet.biblio internet.bib

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 I used Archie to locate the bibliography:

 telnet archie.rutgers.edu
 login archie
 at the archie> prompt, enter: set search sub
 at the archie> prompt, enter: prog biblio

 Had to look through several hundred file listings to find it!


 ====>    anonymous ftp to nis.nsf.net
	  cd /introducing.the.internet
	  file is intro.internet.biblio

 Note:  The authors of this document, the Internet Engineering Task Force, do
	*not* run the Internet.  There is no one body governing the Internet.

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 anonymous ftp nnsc.nsf.net
 cd resource-guide
 get resource-guide.txt.tar.Z
 quit

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 Keys: Internet, bibliography, novice users
 Ideas: One of the rules of the Internet is that the more people are likely to 
 ask for something, the more places it will be.  Hence the ubiquitous 
 Frequently Asked Questions files.  The first way that occured to me to do this 
 was focus on the word Internet and simply:

 Answer:
 telnet quake.think.com
 login as wais
 select 160 Inernet-drafts [hit spacebar]
 Keyword search on "novice" [hit "w" to get keyword search] 
 select 001 "draft-ietf-userdoc2-fyi-novice-01"

 [Reading this document leads you to all kinds of other things, I couldn't 
 resist]

 ftp nic.merit.edu
 cd /introducing.the.internet
 get intro.internet.biblio [there's also some great other documents in here 
 like access.guide]

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 Anonymous ftp to HYDRA.UWO.CA
 cd /libsoft

 Two files are possible candidates:

 get STANTON.BIB
 get NETWORKING_BIBLIO.TXT

 Stanton's bibliography is really aimed at librarians and information
 scientists, so it might be a tad much.

 Elliott Parker's bibliography (the second one) is much more aimed at
 the novice.  He introduces it:

    This is some documentation on networking. There has been no
    attempt to make it comprehensive and the main focus is on
    material of use to the beginning networker, rather than
    engineers, network managers, or researchers. This is not a
    formal bibliography.  The selection is somewhat eccentric and
    eclectic, but it is the type of material I wish I had known about
    when just beginning to use the networks.  Some of the citations
    are just fun to read.

 so this is probably the one referred to.  These certainly aren't the only
 sources out there.

 BTW, Advanced Network & Services, Inc has an archie that I used to find the
 stanton bibliography.  Interestingly enough, it completely missed the
 primary libsoft site maintained by Gord Nickerson at the School of Library and
 Information Science at the University of Western Ontario (HYDRA.UWO.CA)

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 7. (5) In what year was Justice Byron R. White appointed to the
 U.S. Supreme Court?

Winner's Answer

      Use WAIS, telnet to quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Scroll to US-Judges (pegun.law.columbia.edu) which is
      currently 298. Do a keyword search, "Byron White."
      5 items are retrieved. The top entry lists Byron
      R. White and states his appointment by Kennedy in
      1962.

Other Answers
-------------

      telnet info.umd.edu
      login: gopher
      select Info-Gopher Interface
      select Government
      select US
      select Supreme Ct
      select justices

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    gopher (telnet) to fatty.law.cornell.edu (login: gopher) to connect 
    to the experimental gopher site of Cornell Law School.  Select 
    Government Agencies: Information and Reports/ and then US Judges'
    Database.  Search for Bryan White, and you'll retrieve the same
    record as the previous one.

 ----------

 Keys: Justice Byron R. White, Supreme Court, appointed
 Ideas: I did not think going to the same source as in Question 1 would make 
 sense because this is not information you would find in the decisions.  I 
 learned in the WorldWideWeb that there are two ways to approach information: 
 by subject and by server.  I thought this might be a good time to try by 
 server, so I looked around in a copy of Hytelnet [very nice tool, I have it at 
 home on my PC and our systems librarian mounted it on the university gopher, 
 complete with connections to the sites], which got me:

 Answer:
 telnet sparc-1.law.columbia.edu
 login as lawnet
 select 3 Law School Info Server
 select 10 [spacebar] us-judges
 type w for keyword search
 keywords: white
 select 001 U.S. Supreme Court, Judge Byron R. Whit
 "Appointed by: Kennedy in 1962"

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 8. (5) Which country has a higher infant mortality rate, the
 United States, or Singapore?

Winner's Answer

      Answer is the United States.
      Use WAIS. Telnet to quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Select World Fact Book at cmns.moon.think.com (which
      is currently Source number 318).
      Keywords: Singapore United States infant mortality
      Pick reference for Singapore Geography and scan until
      section on Infant Mortality: It lists 8 deaths per
      1000 (in 1991). Pick reference for United States
      Geography and scan until section on Infant Mortality:
      It lists 10 deaths per 1000 (in 1991). I double
      checked the next listing in WAIS, "WORLD91A" which
      looked as if it had slightly more recent data but
      it gave exactly the same data for infant mortality.

Other Answers
-------------

 This may be a weird method, but it worked :)
 anonymous ftp to site: nic.funet.fi
 cd to directory:  /pub/doc/World_Facts
 In that directory are the facts about all countries.
 get the files:  Singapore and United_States
 In them are the numbers for infant mortality.
 US: 10/1000   Singaport:  8/1000

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      telent info.umd.edu
      login: gopher
      select Info-Gopher Interface
      select Government
      select Factbook91
      select Countries
      singapore #194, US #230

      US - Infant Mortality Rate 1991; 10 deaths/1,000 live births
      Singapore - Infant Mortality Rate 1991; 8 deaths/1,000 live births

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  telnet panda.uiowa.edu (picked this one out of a hat too)
    select: Online Info Sources
    select: Online Libraries
    select: Reference Works
    select: CIA World Fact Book 1991
    select: S
    select: Singapore
    read to find: 8 deaths/1000 live births 1991

 same to get to U; then select United States; 10 deaths/1000 live births 1991.

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 9. (4) My cousin is graduating next spring from Columbia
 University. What day is commencement?

Winner's Answer

      Search Columbia University cwis.
	 [Good place to find cwis address is HYTELNET
	 software at access.usask.ca]
      Telnet columbianet.columbia.edu.
      No login is required.
      Select Classes, Finals, Holds, Bulletins
      Select 9. Academic Calendar: Spring 1993.
      Scroll through the spring months using N (next page)
      until you reach May. The Baccalaureate ceremony
      will be held Sunday, May 16, 1993.
      Commencement will be Wednesday, May 19, 1993.

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 10. (4) Where can I find a review of the movie Sneakers?

Winner's Answer

      Use WAIS. Telnet quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Select Movie-Reviews at bloat.media.mit.edu (which
      is currently source number 199).
      Keyword: Sneakers
      This retrieves 6 items: 5 are reviews and the 6th
      mentions Sneakers in another movie review.
      Select each entry in turn to retrieve the review.
      The reviews are by:
	   Frank Maloney, 22 September 1992, from
		USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews
	   Donn B. Parker, 16 Sept. 1992, from
		USENET newsgroup comp.risks
	   Roger Snappy Rubio, 28 September 1992, from
		USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews
	   2 Fat Guys, 15. Sept. 1992, from
		USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews
	   Sarah M. Elkins, 15 Sept. 1992, from
		USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews

Other Answers
-------------

 anonymous ftp to : lcs.mit.edu  
 this is the rec.arts.movies.reviews database.
 go to directory:  /common/movie-reviews
 here you can get the INDEX files.
 sneakers can be found in:  15xx.dir , files: 1516,1517,1518,1533,1544

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 An archive of movie reviews is available via Gopher at
 gopher.micro.umn.edu.
 Select option 4, Fun & Games
 Select option 2, Movies
 Select option 8, 1992
 Select option 9, Sep

 The four reviews of "Sneakers" are items 19, 20, 21, and 22.
 These were posted to rec.arts.movies.reviews sometime in the month of
 September but are archived here since most news sites don't keep news
 very long.

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      Review by Ed Cavazos in issue 1 (Sept. 1992)
      of Word, newsletter of the Austin, Texas
      chapter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation

     anonymous ftp     ftp.eff.org
     cd                /pub/EFF/local-chapters/Austin_TX
     get               Word.September92

 =====================================================================
 Extra Credit:
 (1) How much are the quesadillas at Jose's Mexican Restaurant
 near Porter Square in Cambridge Massachusetts?

Winner's Answer

      Quesadilla price: $2.50-$2.65. While the telephone is
      probably quicker for me since it would be a local call, I
      did find the answer using the MIT campus network since it
      seemed nearby.
      Telnet techinfo.mit.edu
      At the main menu select 12. Potluck.
      At the next menu select  7. Local Restaurants (LNF)
      At the restaurant menu, select 6. Jose's Mexican
      At this point Jose's Mexican menu appears and the
      price of the quesadilla is shown. However, I must
      point out that at the bottom of the page is a caveat that
      some of the information is out of date. An update is
      pending. That note is dated 10-10-90!

Other Answers
-------------

 Using libs "Internet Access Software, by Mark Resmer,
 Sonoma State University, February 1992" client, you can
 acces:


		    LIBS - Internet Access Software v1.3.U (beta)
	      Mark Resmer, Sonoma State University, February 1992

			  Based on data provided by
		  Art St. George, University of New Mexico
			      and other sources

	      On-line services available through the Internet

 Choose the number 3, 'Campus-wide Information Systems' then 

 Campus-wide Information Systems are accessible in the following places:

 select the number 9, 'Massachussetts':

      >  12   Potluck

 Enter the number of your choice: 12

	 7   Local Restaurants (LNF)

	 Enter the number of your choice: 7

		   6   Jose's Mexican

 Select the 6 'Jose's Mexican'. And..

 the price you are looking for is: Quesadilla: $2.50 - $2.65

 ----------

 I spent several hours looking for the answer to this question.  I read all the
 relevant Usenet groups and their FAQs (rec.food, rec.food.restaurants,
 rec.food.veg, soc.culture.mexican, alt.restaurants...).  I also searched for
 Gophers in Massachusetts.  I could only find one - an experimental server at
 the University of Massachusetts, but I found nothing helpful there.  I
 used Archie to look for files matching keywords such as "mexican,"
 "restaurants," "cambridge," "massachusetts," "jose" etc.  Also searched the
 archives of several Bitnet lists.

 And at 1:11 A.M. EST this morning I found it!!!!!!!

 ===> telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu
      login gopher
      select Other Gopher and Information Servers
      select Terminal Based Information
      select MIT TechInfo
      select 12 (Potluck)
      select 10 [Local Restaurants (LNF) ]
      select 6 (Jose's Mexican)

 Price of quesadillas is $2.50-$2.65.


 (BTW, someone posted to rec.food.restaurants asking for the answer!)

 =====================================================================
 Mystery Question:
 As the moderator of the internet hunts, can you help me with
 something?
 I'm looking for the tides at the Golden Gate (California) for
 next April. I'm finding the information impossible to find at
 local libraries - even university libraries!!!
 Is such information available on the Internet anywhere?

 ----------

 There is some tide information available from the U.S. Geographic
 Service Earth Science Data Directory, Data Referral Service.  Couldn't
 figure out how to get actual data out of it but this is what I got.

 ENTRY_TITLE:  TIDE AND TIDAL CURRENT PREDICTIONS
 GROUP:  TECHNICAL_CONTACT
     LAST_NAME: KELLEY
     FIRST_NAME: DAVE
     PHONE: (907) 271-5040
     GROUP: ADDRESS
	222 WEST 7TH, #38
	ANCHORAGE, AK  99513-7574
     END_GROUP
 END_GROUP
 ORIGINATING_CENTER:  ESDD
 LOCATION: North America> ALASKA
 LOCATION: North America> US
 PARAMETER: Ocean Dynamics> tides> TIDE
 KEYWORD: ALASKA DIRECTORY
 KEYWORD: ATLANTIC
 KEYWORD: COAST
 KEYWORD: COASTLINE
 KEYWORD: INDIAN
 KEYWORD: OCEAN
 KEYWORD: PACIFIC
 STORAGE_MEDIUM: CATALOGS/INDEXES
 GROUP:  COVERAGE
    MINIMUM_LATITUDE=  0N
    MAXIMUM_LATITUDE=  179N
    MINIMUM_LONGITUDE= 105W
    MAXIMUM_LONGITUDE= 60W
 END_GROUP
 GROUP: SUMMARY
 Daily tide and tidal current predictions for the present year are
 contained in this data set.  The stations in the tide table are
 for West Coast of North America and South America.  Additional
 tide tables for East Coast, Central and West Africa, and the
 Western Pacific and Indian Oceans.  Stations are in tidal
 current tables for the Pacific coast of North America.  Included
 are reference stations and stations for 650 locations in tide
 tables.  Tidal current tables list 915 locations for calculating
 tidal currents.  Reference copies are available for past years.
 END_GROUP

 ----------

 "archie -s tide" returns a number of interesting refs (note that
 archie data is also directly accessible through Gopher, but I'm
 not going to synthesize this one, having found it without Gopher).

 Particularly interesting is the tides162.zip program, found 
 at osi.iunet.it in /disk0/tmp/navy

 This program runs under MS-DOS, and includes data for tidal predictions at
 San Francisco, among many other locations.

 Also see USC-Math Gopher Service:
 Multitopic/Science and Technology/Geography/USGS ESDD, search
 for <tide tides california> for net references to offline collections

 The Oceanic Database at U-Del also holds promise, but... I've found the
 solution already, I think.  The Oceanic service is accessible from 
 USC-Math as well.  I have leads on a number of other sources, as well...

 ----------

 Mystery problem- Sheech, just walk to Astronomy and ask
 who does the celestial mechanics course.  Go to that person and
 ask your question.  Of course that doesn't use the internet, so I
 suppose you could look your Astron. Dept. up in the Internet
 white pages, and then ask for the referal from the secretary, and
 then mail him/her with the question, if you wanted to involve the
internet that is.

----------

I tried searching "archie" for tides - pertinent responses:
19920326165100Z 182163 osi.iunet.it /disk0/tmp/navy/tides162.zip
19920326165100Z 182163 relay.iunet.it /disk0/tmp/navy/tides162.zip
19920323000000Z   7518 nic.funet.fi /pub/astro/general/tides.txt
19920211000000Z   7518 ames.arc.nasa.gov /pub/SPACE/FAQ/Tides

(Rick: I tried out tides162.zip, a program written in QuickBasic in
1989 by an Edward P. Wallner.  The program seems to work well for some
stations on the East Coast of the U.S., and should work as well with
West Coast stations.  The catch is that you need to find historic
tidal data for these stations.  Mr. Wallner lists sites that can
provide you with this information.  Perhaps coupled with the first
answer on data from the USGS, one could solve this problem.  However,
there does not appear to be a simple table on file, and in fact, such
a table is only useful for short term predictions of perhaps less than
200 days.)



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Dir. of Library Automation
Univ. of California			lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
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