From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:45 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <38667@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.180401.26383@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>>: >
>>: >No, Andy, I did not argue that OS/2 is real-time.
>>
>>Let's establish what that means first.
>
>OK, lets.  What is your definition of a real time operating system,
>and how does OS/2 either meet or not meet criteria ?

Yes. Please, for the *first* time, present us some hard, correct things
called "facts"!

>>Oh, excuse me, Mr. Untouchable-Know-It-All.  What qualifies you to judge
>>my knowledge?  I think it's time for you to dismount from your high horse.

May I tell you a little secret: Andy was for quite a long time the boss
of the Amiga OS engineering team. Quite a bit of the OS is made by him
personally. At least this is proof for me of his competence. Something
that gets less and less proof on your side.

>You don't seem to want to back up your claims.  You just seem
>to post disagreements when others post.  And you don't back up
>your disagreements with actual technical details.  I judge your knowledge
>lacking because of this.  

Exactly.

>>Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  IBM employees can't comment on it,
>>so this gives Amigoids the right to speak for them.  What a joke.
>
>Well, sad but true, it does.  If you started posting things
>your employer does not wish to make public, I'm sure they'd have
>something to say to you.  Whereas a non-employee could do
>so fairly easily.

Just look at it from this side: I and a number of other Commodore employees
do post here. (Andy is a different case, he works now only indirectly for
Commodore.) And we do not want to get fired. So you can imagine (no, I
fear you cannot) that we simply cannot afford to tell lies here! And so
we don't. So I have to demand from you to either prove your incorrect
statements finally with some facts, stay out of here, or remain here with
a reputation that *I* would be really ashamed of.

>>Look, I'm not saying that IBM did not get ideas from AmigaOS.  All I'm
>>saying is that I refuse to believe it until someone who is/was part of the
>>OS/2 development team confirms it.  Until then, it's just Amigoid rambling.
>
>This speaks more of your own bias than anything else.  You start
>with the expectation that anyone who owns a different computer is
>not telling the truth.

Exactly.

>It's interesting that Peter Kittel has unearthed an old posting
>from a former IBM co-op student.   What will you do, what will you
>do ?   I know...you'll accuse him of forging the post.

He should dare so!

>>I had a feeling you were just as insulting as the rest of the Amigoids,
>>Andy.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

The one who is insulting is solely you, Jerry.

>I guess I just tend to respond in kind, after your accusation.  

Andy, you are too polite to this guy. He doesn't deserve it.

And I also feel personally offended: a phrase like "as insulting as the
rest of the Amigoids" easily insults 99 % of the persons reading this
text. YOU ARE WRONG!

>>Unfortunately, it seems to be the only thing that the typical Amigoid
>>understands.  I thought you'd be different; I was wrong.  

And you do it over and over. We present you facts, and you answer with
disbelief (I call it ignorance) and insults!

Are you paid by someone to do this?

>Once again, I invite you to respond with verifiable technical
>details to the issues you have opinions on.

Andy, I admire you how cool and polite you are able to stay with such
type of a person.

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