HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ag@duke.cs.duke.edu (Arman Glodjo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: chetnik@infopls.chi.il.us (Andre Popov)
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:21:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Who is this man?  And what is his purpose?  I took the time to go
through all his mail, that, undoubtedly all of you saw, as well.
Are you mad?
Why don't you go and see some war footage...like I did.
srbi in Sarajevo phoning up to Trebevic to let the gunmen know
where the next breadline is, so that they can "heroically" and
"justly" blow away 20-30 innocent people, Muslims, Croats, and
undoubtedly, srbs.  You guys are the real heroes.  Why dont you
go and hold down a pregnant woman, while your chetnik buddy
takes out his knife, makes you a bet that the child is a male, 
cuts her open and determines who is right.  Then do it again,
maybe 10-15 times a day.  Why dont you go and fight in that war.
The war of cowards, snipering down innocent people...whiping away
dozens villages, where no press will see the srbs for what they 
are...
As far as chetniks go, go speak to the elderly(oh, yeah, you guys
wiped most of them off), and ask them what chetniks did in the
WWII.  And who fought off ustashe, chetniks, nazis, faschists, etc.
andre popov,  you have taken too much of my time with your garbage
news.  If you want reality, go and see what your buddies did, are
doing and will be doing for a short while.  I know how it is,
I just brought over my cousin and her daughter from the heart of
Sarajevo where they lived in conditions, that I hope you never
have to experience...and see what it does to you.  Read my
"A Call to Sanity, I, II and III".
God damn all of you murderers, killers and butchers of the innocent.
I have had enough garbage here.  People like you are killing my
brothers and feeling good about it, you beast of inhumanity.
We keep the names, lots of names...the war will be over...these
soldiers of sheitan must not be allowed back into the society.

Bosno moja, lijepa, divna,
STA URADISE OD TEBE, ZIVOTINJE JEDNE
U tebi je, Sarajevo, puno
MRTVIH BRACE I SESTARA

AG
At Duke,
formerly of
10-4 Ulica Hasana Kikica
71000 Sarajevo
BIH
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:41:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxwo9x.BzA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:

>Hey Chetnik, you're silly.

>Look carefully now,

>                          __
>        )|(   ___     |__|__
>        ---   ___      __|  |
>        )|(

As you well know, the Serbs were fighting Hitler and the Nazis,
while you and your kind were sucking their dicks.

That's why they like you so much.


>Chetniks are shitty fighters. They have nothing on the Cros from
>Hercegovina. That's why we be kicking ass on Velez.


>See you later Fascist,


>-Chicago Cro


If you're such a tough-ass, post your real name on the net.


--Branko Radosavljevic
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 09:55:54 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic

Hey Chetnik, you're silly.

Look carefully now,

                          __
        )|(   ___     |__|__
        ---   ___      __|  |
        )|(


Chetniks are shitty fighters. They have nothing on the Cros from
Hercegovina. That's why we be kicking ass on Velez.


See you later Fascist,


-Chicago Cro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Subject: Crow
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:48:46 GMT

Crow, you must not have seen my post on s.c.yugo,
so here it is again:

--------------------------------------------------
<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:

>Hey Chetnik, you're silly.

>Look carefully now,

>                          __
>        )|(   ___     |__|__
>        ---   ___      __|  |
>        )|(

As you well know, the Serbs were fighting Hitler and the Nazis,
while you and your kind were sucking their dicks.

That's why they like you so much.


>Chetniks are shitty fighters. They have nothing on the Cros from
>Hercegovina. That's why we be kicking ass on Velez.


>See you later Fascist,


>-Chicago Cro


If you're such a tough-ass, post your real name on the net.


--Branko Radosavljevic
--------------------------------------------------

So what's the matter, Crow,
can't talk with your mouth full?

You're a coward.


--Branko Radosavljevic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9558 soc.culture.soviet:10039
From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Eastern Dawn for monarchy?
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:53:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.095318U52148
 <1992Nov17.212250.17553@husc3.harvard.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Nov17.212250.17553@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu
(Michael Zeleny) says:
>
>In article <Bxvq21.Aww@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>
>cla04@keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>
>>An article in today's Guardian lists the top five pretenders in the
>>world as follows:-
>>
>>The Grand Duchess Maria of Russia
>>
>>King Michael of Rumania
>>
>>King Alexander of Yugoslavia
>>
How about King Alexander of Serbia? We don't need no stinking kings.
Besides It's Prince Alexander, he won't rule the territories ruled by his
father and grndfather.



>>King Simeon of Bulgaria
>>
>>King Leka of Albania
>>
>>
>>This was the order they were presented in. Any one like to arrange them
>>in order of probably come-backs? All five interestingly are from Eastern
>>Europe.
>
>King Tut trumps the lot.
>
>cordially,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."

-Cro
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9542 soc.culture.soviet:10009
From: cla04@keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bulgarian,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Eastern Dawn for monarchy?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:22:48 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

An article in today's Guardian lists the top five pretenders in the
world as follows:-

The Grand Duchess Maria of Russia

King Michael of Rumania

King Alexander of Yugoslavia

King Simeon of Bulgaria

King Leka of Albania


This was the order they were presented in. Any one like to arrange them
in order of probably come-backs? All five interestingly are from Eastern
Europe.
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Date: 21 Nov 1992 13:46:43 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In article <By1FII.1Hw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin) writes:
>keserovi@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic) writes:
>>  Learn your own history.....the Chetniks were Nazi collaberators. It 
>>  was the Partizans who faught the Nazis, not the Serbs.
>
>No they weren't.
>In any case, I wasn't just referring to Chetniks.
>'Cro' had drawn the Serbian symbol (it's not a Chetnik symbol).
>The Serbs in general
>clearly favored Hitler.
>
>This was reflected in the fact that according to the Nazis,
>Serbia was officially a
>nominally independent Nazi co-belligerent.
>
>
>--Branko


Surprising what one gets when words are taken out of context

Victor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li)
Subject: Re: To Dxp Jr. only
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:50:13 GMT

In article <honglin.4@apmaths.uwo.ca>honglin@apmaths.uwo.ca (HONGLIN YE) writes:
>
> Hi, boy, 
>
>    How did you do that?

Congratulations! 

You just won the _Post of The Year_ award.
From: mece1us@jane.uh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:02 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I had very good discussion with a chinese gay ( short term as C) and a French 
gay (as F below) about world economics and especially about cars. C thought that
Japanese cars are the best, by looking at quality and price, and also from that
most classmates bought Japanese car. And F responsed him by asking him to list
ten best cars in the world. Will someone give me a clear idea what the ten
best cars are in the world, what is your reason?


Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Re: When Was Lantern (Deng1 Long3) Invented?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:46:54 GMT

    In <1992Nov16.070640.15060@news.columbia.edu> (16 Nov 1992) Harry Y Xu
writes,

> A question for the historian:  When was lantern (Deng1 Long3) invented?
> I recently noticed that candles (Zhu2) were used even outdoors at night
> in literatures written in the Han4 and Tang2 Dynasties.  I assume it
> must be invented after Tang2 Dynasty then.

    Don't have example right now, but Deng1-long2 was invented in the
South-North Dynasties, and of course in the south China :-).  So Lix is
right, it is before the Tang Dynasty.  I remember some stories about Shui
Yang Di have things to do with lanterns.  His lanterns, of course, were
made by silk.

>   Ri4 Duan3     Ku3      Ye4 Chang2,   He2 Bu4  Bing3   Zhu2   You2.
>    |    |       /\        |     |       |   |     |     |       |
>   Day short sour(suffer) night long,   why not hold-up candle travel.

    The "Zhu" here is not candle, it is torch.  The original meaning of
"Zhu" is torch.  That may be why your second example explicitly says "Lazhu"
(a common usage in Tang poems).  Try to hold a candle and walk in outdoor
in the night :-).
From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What the HK governor is doing? Why?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

Lian Zheng <LZHENG@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

> 
>The British is near the end of the control over HK.   Onething they want to do
>most is to transfer as much wealth from HK to Britain as they can.  Apparently,
>CHINESE GOVERMENT IS BLOCKING THE WAY, that bothers British goverment.
>   Look at the example of the new airport project,  the British wants to 
>put *ALL* of HK's reserve into it ($100 Billions).  The project will be mainly
>contracted to British companies.  The $100 Billions could be a really, really 
>big plus for the declining British economy.   But Chinese Goverment knows it,
>and is firmly against it.  Chinese goverment has repeatedly warned the 
>British goverment that it will refuse to honor any contrct on which 
>it has not been consulted with after 1997.  

  About the airport issue, althought British government wants to take
advantage over it, the fact is, it also benifits HK. After the 1997,
God knows where those $10-billion (by the way, HK reserve is about
$10 billion only) reserve will go, I double if Chinese government
would leave this money to HK.

  As a HK citizen, I would rather have something like an airport
which is necessary in fact that actully belong to HK then have $10
billion which may be taken away by the Chinese Government. I guess the
Chinese government is the one which cannot be trusted, at least not
now. 

>   The people in HK are very good-hearted people, (look at their reaction 
>to 6.4,  to the flood relief in China),  they desreve democracy to protect
>themselves against possible troubles in the future.  But they need to
>be careful to those who use the name of democracy for other purposes. 

>Lian Zheng,
>Indiana University at Bloomington.   

  The biggest possible trouble is the taking over of the Chinese
Government, I can't see anything worst than that.

  steve

  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.125940.11065@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may be), but wasn't the whole idea of Most
>Favored Nation status developed in the first place so that the U.S. could
>use the US market as a lever to force other nations to meet certain
>human rights conditions? In other words, I think the whole reason for
>MFN is to tie trade to human rights.


	Unfortunately you are wrong here.  MFN has nothing to do with
human rights conditions.  When it was put forward in the begining,
it was just a trade status for "friendly" nations.  Later it was
attached conditions of "free emigrantion" due to the powerful Jewish
lobby to use it as a tool for Jews in former Soviet Union to emigrate.
That condition was added so to be appliable for *all* nations.

	The current CMFN for China is just a temporary and political
motivated move to attach tons of conditions, including human rights,
trade deficit and weapons sales etc. to China *only*.  Forget about
that many countries have worse human rights records than China, forget
about that many countries (such as Japan) have worse trade unfairness
with US, forget about that many countries (such as US) sell more
weapons to other countries, all we got is a CMFN for China.

>Why is the idea of forcing the CCP to release political prisoners so bad? 
>I really don't understand the opposition to that proposal.


	It is not bad at all.  But just leave China's MFN alone.  That
is all.  Once again, don't throw out your baby with dirty water!



    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li)
Subject: Time for CCP to Change - was CMFN
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:38:35 GMT

CMFN or UCMFN ?  It is NOT the question.

As the Democrats goes to Washington, with the possibility of a real
CMFN in coming, some begin to worry.  Recent SCC discussions
focused on the point of whether or not HR conditions should be 
attached - really a missing of the POINT.

This is not the time to start the debate again.  Believe or not, 
none of the many "sides" will never be able to convence the other.
If you will, please face the reality:

Ironically, believe or not, no matter what IFCSS does - support CMFN, 
against it, or do nothing, a CMFN bill will be in the US Congress
anyway.  Regardless what our dear SCCers argue - especially those against 
CMFN, the bill is going to be passed, and, importantly, President Clinton 
probably will "have to" sign it.

It is time for the Chinese Government to change, not the other way around.

Anyone, if he/she really cares about the ordinary Chinese people, 
if he/she really cares about the reform and wants to see more, stop 
accusing your fellow CSS and try to do two new things:

1.  Push the Chinese Government to change, not only "reform" on 
    economy, but also improve on human rights.  Push the CG to release
    political presioners, push it to follow the law and order, etc.
    
    Don't go around blaming those who try to bring both prosperity
    and freedom to ordinary Chinese.  No one wanted China to loss MFN,
    it is only the CG's behavior made the lossing poosible. 
    No one wanted to hurt the people, human beings need much more 
    than fed and alive.

2.  Cooperate with organizations, such as IFCSS, to work with the US
    Congress so that only those realistic and important conditions 
    are attached.  

    Remember, this is a free and democratic Country.  If one refuses to 
    work with others, he/she simply gives up the rights and opportunity.
    At the end, for any unwanted resoults, they only have themselves to blame.


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  friends are trying to kill us.     -- A Fiction
 .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .
From: txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: dating a guy from China
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:24:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Maybe this guy just wants to have sex to satisfy his hatural desire.

Tao
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: About CMFN
Keywords: China MFN
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na   
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:50:28 GMT

Bravo!
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anyone Study T'ang/Silla History?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:33:13 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <92322.230210XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> (deleted)
>
>           There is a chinese word ( to be sure from T'ang ):
>           Qian2 Ju1 er Hou4 Gong1

This should be from <<Zhan Guo Ce>>, a story of Su Qin.

Mr. Su: Zi He Qian2 Ju1 er Hou4 Gong1
Mrs. Su: Yi Zi Wei Zhuen er Dao Jin ye!

Note: Mrs Su is Mr. Su's sister-in-law. End of free lecture on-net.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30847 talk.politics.china:2812
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Is it fair?
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:24:07
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: blackjack.ai.mit.edu

Suppose the reposted message bellow is correct, is it fair for the President's
relatives to be excluded from cabinet positions?  Is the ancient Chinese moral
"recommendations avoiding no enemies nor relatives" better?

==== reposted message ====
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Hillary will not have a cabinet position.
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:34:45 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	It's illegal for the President to appoint relatives to positions over
which he exercises control.
	The law was passed in response to Kennedy giving the AG position to his
brother.  Johnson signed it into law in 1965.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.101806.29932@athena.mit.edu> joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.044910.15500@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>The same case applies to the term "Mountain People" in Taiwan to describe
>>aborigines.  The aborigines dislike that epithet; 
>
>What term do the aborigines in Taiwan prefer to call themselves?
>
>Just curious.....

I believe the term in vogue now is "Yuen Ju Min ("original residents")" which
is roughly the same as "aborigines."
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What is CMFN's real intention? Tell me!
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:26:31 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw403


        For those who don't know what's CMFN's real 
        intention, 'An American' netter told us:

> .............................................And remember that we know
>that the (as you point out very expensive) Cold War tactics did help to 
>cause the totalitarian regime in the USSR to crumble. We know that ruining
>the economy of a nation forces a bad government out. What makes you so sure
>that helping to improve the economy of such a nation will destroy its
>totalitarian government. (I would like it to be true, I just want to know what
>you base your conjecture on.)

        Yes, force that bad CCP government out by 
        ruining the Chinese economy. Pure, noble, isn't it?

        But just a moment! What this American didn't tell you,
        but has been written in that CMFN bill, is:

> (`Down with CCP' stuff deleted)
> .....
>
>(11) providing adequate protection of U.S. patents, copyrights,  
>and other intellectual property rights, and implementing the  
>Memorandum of Understanding Between the Government of the  
>People's Republic of  China  and the Government of the  
>United States of America on the Protection of Intellectual  
>Property; 
>
>(12) providing U.S. exporters access to Chinese markets, including
>lowering tariffs, removing nontariff barriers, and increasing the
>purchase of U.S. goods and services; 
>
>(13) ceasing unfair trade practices which burden or restrict U.S.
>Commerce; 
>
>

       This, IMHO, could give you a better understanding of
       what the real purposeof CMFN is.

       H. 

       Disclaimer: Above post only represents the view
       of a Chinese named H.Wang, and has nothing to do
       with U of Bradford, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc07.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: What pride to take in being a Chinese?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:31:42 GMT

### On Sat, 14 Nov 1992 20:44:51 GMT, xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) said:

> 
> 1. Cheng1 Zhe3 Wang2 Hou2 Bai4 Zhe3 Zei2
> 2. Bu4 Y13 Cheng2 Bai4 Lun4 Ying1 Xiong2



% Or, 


% 	Bu4 Yi3 Wu4 Xi3

% 	Bu4 Yi3 Ji3 Bei1	?


% Then, 


% 	Ku3 Xin1 Ren2, Tian1 Bu2 Fu4,

% 	Wo4 Xin1 Chang2 Dan3, San1 Qian1 Yue4 Jia3 Ke3 Tun1 Wu2;


% 	You3 Zhi4 Zhe3, Shi4 Jing4 Cheng2,

% 	Po4 Fu3 Chen2 Zhou1, Bai3 Er4 Qin2 Guan1 Zhong1 Shu3 Chu3



% I guess this should be the crucial part of the so-called Chinese Culture, 

% or 'Ar Q' culture if there's no action there.  


% -- 


Uh.. I suggest adding some English illustration after PinYin to help
some SCCers whith difficulty on PinYin.  It took me 10 minutes to
understand the whole things after nearly giving up.

--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
From: finlay_j@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese WP program needed!
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:32:59 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

I wonder can you help me please.

I need to find a software program that will allow me to set up my
resume in Chinese, and also allow me to write cover letters in
Chinese. I have access to both IBM and MACs but have no clue as
to where to get a Chinese language wordprocessing program. 

I need this information as soon as possible, so please help if you
can. Duo1Xie4!

Please reply to:

		in%"Finlay_j@spcvxa.spc.edu"

Thanks,
Jeff Finlay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china