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From: cdb@codex.oz.au (Cameron Bromley)
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-74 CDROM
Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:29:12 GMT

In article <1a2aujINNsue@gap.caltech.edu> stuart@cco.caltech.edu (Stuart  
Wagner) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have a NEC CDR-74 CDROM drive hooked up to their NeXT?
> If so, how well does it work?  I had seen this model mentioned on the
> net before, but I don't remember what was said about it.  I want to 
> know if it will work with my NeXTcube (030).
> 
> If you email a response, email it to swagner@nba19.med.uth.tmc.edu
> 
> Thanks,
> Stuart Wagner
> 

It works, no problem.

Cam.
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From: baz@cs.columbia.edu (Bruce Zenel)
Subject: NeXT internals manual?
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:52:04 GMT


   I'm doing some low level development (read assembly language) on
the NeXT and am wondering if there are any reference manuals or other
"informational" texts on the internals of the NeXT machine.

   Any information or pointers as to where to look would be highly
appreciated.

--Bruce.

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From: coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo)
Subject: Re: Nitro
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:04:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.133355.861@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us writes:
>
>Going to the ADB keyboard (see my article in NeXTWORLD) is very, very good.
>
>-- 
>
>................................................................simson

	I haven't read YOUR article, but I've seen the technical specs from
NeXT on them and frankly don't see the point.  What makes them very, very good?
My old-style keyboard serves its purpose well, and I could care less about
ADB compatibility.  So what's the scoop?

--Felix

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From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Subject: Re: DSP chips are NOT dinosaurs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:18:05 GMT

louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) sayz:
>It may be simpler to build a box with something like a 68332 or 68340,
>an ethernet interface a some mix of low and high performance serial
>interfaces.  Talk to it using TCP/IP over the ethernet.
>
>You might actually convince someone to build such a box as long as
>they think they have a market for it (e.g., Sun platforms).

I have a market for it.  I've been looking for such a thing to implement
a BBS.  Two serial ports just isn't enough.  argh....  I suspect CISCO
makes such a beast (ie. terminal server) but I haven't picked up 
documentation yet.

>louie
>

++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com
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From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell)
Subject: Re: DSP chips are NOT dinosaurs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:47:28 GMT

Regarding the need for a separate serial-port processor,
louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:

> This isn't always the case.  If you choose some serial encapsulation
> that the 8530 supports (like HDLC), you can arrange to have it
> interrupt you and terminate the DMA transfer when it receives an
> entire frame.  This should work *better* than the normal UNIXy sort of
> transfers.

No, it isn't *always* the case, just *usually*. If you have the luxury of
designing the machines you want to talk to, and you can afford to put
HDLC USARTs in them, you can do the HDLC framing trick. But let's be real:
we usually don't get to design the machines we talk to. They usually have
lowest-common-denominator UARTs in them, and speak higher-level protocols
designed by a cretin with sadistic tendencies. I want my serial-port CPU,
and it had better not be some overpriced 68000 derivative with an interrupt
response and context switch measured in geologic time. I've spent several
years of my life getting paid to dance around serial ports with these
monsters, and my toes are real sore. If there are any silicon jocks out
there, what the world needs is a faster 8-bit microcontroller with a sensible
architecture, not another 32,48,64-bit showboat to further dazzle and confuse
our managers.

Louis and I agree on one thing: NeXT needs to release docs on writing serial
drivers. I shrieked when I found out that NeXT doesn't want us in there: the
drivers they give us just won't do.

Steve abell@netcom.com
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From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Because ppl seem to like pricey stuff (was: Re: NeXTdimension -- Why so pricey?) (long)
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:59:40 GMT

J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes
| The way I see it is that the board:
| 
| * has no close-captioning/titling capability (I've only heard about
|   this being promised, I don't recall reading about this in the
|   original or revised ad sheets NeXT sent).  Until I hear hard
|   evidence that this was officially promised with this board, I
|   won't take any money off for it's absence.

Food for thought:

Type "titles over video" in Librarian, click Search (with the General Reference  
selected), and read the paragraph found in NXLiveVideoView()

"In this mode, the NXLiveVideoView can also draw over the video; this is  
useful, for example, to place titles over video."

Of course, if you continue reading carefully, you'll notice that it can't  
really do anything useful - but I already know of one individual who considered  
purchasing NeXTdimension systems for broadcast use after reading this very  
document (which hasn't really changed between 2.1 and 3.0) until I pointed out  
the fine print (I own a NeXTdimension).

| -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
| -- NeXTmail ok
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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: Which CD Players Work?
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:34:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.175907.13562@muddcs.claremont.edu> wprice@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>In article <1a6braINN31f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sasha1@cats.ucsc.edu (Lars Elias  
>Pave) writes:
>> 
>> I remember seeing the question, but not the answer (I checked the FAQs) 
>> Any information, and experiences would be most helpful on which CD players
>> work with the NeXT.
>>                      Thanks in advance,              
>>
>>                                           Sasha Pave                      
>>
>>                                         "computers of color"            
>
>Well, I can tell you one thing.  I have the Apple CD 150, and installed 3.0  
>from it with no problems.  But it doesn't work with CDPlayer as far as I've  
>been able to tell.  I've tried EVERYTHING to get it to work with CDPlayer, so  
>I'm so far convinced the drive itself must not work for playing Audio CDs on
>a NeXT.  Too bad.
>
>-- Frank
>__________________________________________________________________________
>Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu

I have used for both installation and CDPlayer the CD ROM drive distributed
by HP, so called HP LaserROM (it is in fact a Toshiba XM-3301TA drive).
No problems.

			-Z.
From: byrne@cstore-next.cl.msu.edu (Eric J. Byrne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: keyboard/mouse question
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:46:22 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <Oct05.221005.81218@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
ns111310@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (The BLaCKSMiTHE) writes:
> Allright,
> 
> I have heard:
> 1) New NeXT's have ADB Keyboards/mice
> 2) **ONLY** new colors' have ADB
> 3) New keyboards and mice are **ONLY** available for ADB
> 
> 
> What is true??  I am looking at buying a Turbo NS monochrome,
> and I want the new keyboard and mouse, so what is the deal??
> 

Here's the announcement:

NeXT Product Announcement
October 1, 1992

 All NeXT systems are now ADB-compatible

Starting October 1, 1992, NeXT is standardizing on ADB-compatible hardware.   
Because of the advantages of the new ADB keyboard and mouse, NeXT has decided  
to support this system enhancement across the entire product family.  The  
NeXTstation, NeXTstation Turbo, NeXTstation Color, NeXTcube Turbo systems along  
with the NeXTstation Color Turbo system are now fully compatible with NeXT's  
new ADB Keyboard and Mouse. 

Effective late October, NeXT will begin shipments of a new ADB-compatible  
MegaPixel 17" monochrome display. This ADB-compatible 17" monochrome display  
will replace the old 17" monochrome display.  Along with the Sony 17"   
MegaPixel Color Display and the Hitachi 21" MegaPixel Display, now all NeXT  
displays are completely ADB-compatible.

Now that all products are ADB compatible, the ordering process is very  
straightforward.  All displays work with the same keyboard.  There is one  
Starting Point Kit for all systems, Starting Point Kit 3.0A. The old kit     
Starting Point Kit 3.0 (N8504-5216)   has been taken off the price list.  For  
color systems, the Sound Box 2 supports all color monitors. The old Sound Box  
(N4004) has been removed from the price list.

Note: Because of the need for NeXTSTEP Release 3 to support ADB, new NeXT  
systems are not downgradable to prior NeXTSTEP releases. You can only run  
Release 3 on new systems shipped from the factory.
______________________________________________________________________

New Products
17" Megapixel Monochrome Display  (N4000B)
	- ADB compatible keyboard connector
	- 3 pounds lighter (13 pounds lighter than the "original")
	- Higher reliability
	- New footprint

17" MegaPixel Color Display - Fimi  (N4001F) 
	- Compatible with the new ADB keyboard and mouse

Products Introduced September 1, 1992
17" MegaPixel Color Display - Trinitron  (N4006)
	- Compatible with the new ADB keyboard and mouse
	- Higher contrast
	- Flatter display
	- Universal power supply
	- Industry leading focus and convergence
	- 72Hz for rock solid image (compatible at 68Hz with small adjustment)
	- Fully compliant with NPR-2 regulations for ELF and VLF emissions

Starting Point Kit 3.0A (N8504-4996)
	- For use with all systems
	- Includes new ADB Keyboard/Mouse
	- Release 3.0 documentation

Sound Box 2 (N4004A)
	- Re-designed audio board with ADB style keyboard connector
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: NeXT Compatible HDWR
Date: 26 Sep 92 10:01:27 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Second Wave has had an expansion chassis for the Mac for quite a while.
Digidesign will also have a 12 nu-bus slot expansion chassis as well
by year end.  How feasable would it be to create (or alter a mac expansion 
chassis) an expansion chassis for the NeXTstation?  This could be quite a 
problem since the NeXTstation has no PDS slot.  Would it be possible to 
access the NeXT through its RAM slots or by placing some type of hardware 
device between the 68040 and the motherboard.  While we're on the subject, 
could one accelerate an old NeXTstation by using upgrade technology from a 
company such as Daystar--they have an interesting way of accelerating SE/30's
that have their PDS slot used up?  Don't know how well it works though,
especially if the microrocessor is solderred in place.

maurices
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From: glen@forestburg.cs.ualberta.ca (Glen Armstrong)
Subject: Help! Exception 3 on power up.
Organization: /usr/forestburg/prof/glen/.organization
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:55:56 GMT


I just installed 3.0 on my 25 MHz slab.  Things seem to be working ok, except
that on power-up, I get the following message in the ROM Monitor

  Exception #3 (0xc) at 0x10002aa

When I type bsd at the Next> prompt, the reboot proceeds as I'd expect it to.
Does anyone out there know what the exception message means, and what I need
to do to make it go away?

--glen
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From: modman@liveware.com
Subject: Please tell me how to make a Mac Floppy automount...
Keywords: eeek help emergency emergency 911
Reply-To: modman@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:36:13 GMT

Hi,

Well we don't get comp.sys.next.admin here at Liveware (why I don't
know) but was told there where posts on it regarding the problem
of a file or something causing mac HD disks not mounting.  Here
is my problem.  During PR1 and PR2 the system would allow Mac
disk formatting as well as mount Mac disks (HD) on my slab.
But about 2 weeks into each of those installations it just
stopped doing/allowing such actions with Mac HD disks.

I just installed our last 3.0 gold system.  It is a slab with
floppy.  I can't get it to mount a Mac Disk for the life of me.
Can someone give me a hint at the direction i should go in to
find the 'file' or whatever is blocking this built in ability
of 3.0 to mount HD Mac Disks... ;')

Thanks for any help.

Todd Nathan
Liveware Corporation
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re:  Magnetic field affecting hard drive?
Distribution: world
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:50:50 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <1992Sep26.163328.833@proforma.com> jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.015600.12679@redbaron.uucp>
>
>Disk drives have motors in them.  Motors have magnetic fields around them.
>Disks work.
>
>Don't worry.
>--J Gregory

    Disk drives have incredible magnets in them, it can take 10+ pounds of
    force to pry them apart.  (The head positioning mechanism).

					-Matt

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From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: DSP chips are NOT dinosaurs
Date: 1 Oct 1992 10:32:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu

In article <1aehh5INNa0r@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes:
>In article <1ae4klINNpph@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes:
>>My DSP gets interrupted 150,000 times per second with each sample
>>being 12 or 16 bits, and 68040 doesn't even notice this unless
>>something interesting happens in the input samples.
>
>Is the DSP fielding interrupts at this rate, or is this while polling?
>(polling is cheating)

Interrupts, not polling.  Some CD-quality stereo recording apps run
with the DSP interrupted 88,200 times per sec to get 44.1k x 2 samples/sec.

You get get a lot more than that, although doing anything with the
obtained samples gets tougher as the data rate increases.


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From: John_Graves@next.com (John Graves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Extending the laser printer cable?
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:28:46 GMT
Reply-To: John_Graves@next.com

In article <1992Sep28.183056.20440@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear)  
writes:
> NeXT tells me it ain't possible, but I figure there's *got* to be
> a way.....
>  
> I have a NeXTcube and a NeXT laser printer.  And I want the NeXT
> laser printer completely on the other side of the room in my 
> office.  To put it there, I need an extension to the cable that
> goes between the printer and the 'cube.
>  
> NeXT tells me any lengthening of the cable would result in
> loss of signal or degraded signal.  I say a properly shielded cable
> should be able to go another say 15 feet, no?
>  
> Anyone ever extended the length of their NeXT laser printer's cable?
>  
> Any ideas/suggestions welcome!
>  
> Brian Dear /// Coconut Computing, Inc. /// brian@coconut.com

The problem with extending the printer cable is the added propagation delay of  
the additional length of cable.  Signals have to travel from the computer, to  
the printer, & back, so the propagation delay is related to twice the length of  
the cable.  

The system was designed to work reliably with the standard printer cable over  
all combinations of computers, printers, and specified temperatures.  Extending  
the cable will remove margin from the design, increasing the chance that you  
will get errors while printing.

If you lengthen your cable & have problems, error messages will show up on the  
console.

--

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Hardware Engineering
NeXT Computer, Inc
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From: ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz)
Subject: connecting Mac IIcx to NeXT 21" color monitor?
Summary: need some help or is this even possible?
Keywords: Mac color monitor connection
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:14:36 GMT

I have a Mac and a NeXT. I'm trying to get by as inexpensively
as possible and would like to know the best (the only, any) way
to connect my 21" color NeXT monitor to the Mac IIcx.
I'm currently using a 21" greyscale on the Mac, but even though
the pins on the cable are identical, all I get on the NeXT monitor
are horizontal lines (so the scan rate is off, right?) Is there
any way to overcome this?  Will it work somehow with my Apple
color card?

Is there a hardware or software solution?

Maybe I should forget the whole thing about monitors and try
networking the systems together?  But, I really need to run
Mac software.

Any insight or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Jonathan


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From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Subject: Re: Extending the laser printer cable?
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:19:43 GMT

In article <5237@rosie.NeXT.COM> John_Graves@next.com (John Graves) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.183056.20440@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear)  
> writes:
> > NeXT tells me any lengthening of the cable would result in
> > loss of signal or degraded signal.  I say a properly shielded cable
> > should be able to go another say 15 feet, no?
> >
> > Brian Dear /// Coconut Computing, Inc. /// brian@coconut.com
> The problem with extending the printer cable is the added propagation delay  
of  
> the additional length of cable.  Signals have to travel from the computer, to  
> the printer, & back, so the propagation delay is related to twice the length  
of  
> the cable.  
> 
> The system was designed to work reliably with the standard printer cable over  
> all combinations of computers, printers, and specified temperatures.   
Extending  
> the cable will remove margin from the design, increasing the chance that you  
> will get errors while printing.
> John Graves
> NeXT Computer, Inc

Not that I have done it, but I have a bit of Urban Legend that
a somehow got into my mbox concerning lengthing NeXTprinter cable.  

The bottom line is you need a lot of coax (one cable for each signal
pin) with a propagation delay of 0.8 c, in lengths cut to 80feet.  This will  
effectively offset the signals by 1 data handshake time slice. 

I can send the original tech notes if you want.

-geoff
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From: jake@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Nitro
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:03:57 GMT

From article <1anj1tINNkjg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Rhino Project):
> In article <1992Oct4.190419.19772@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct4.133355.861@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us writes:
>>>
[stuff deleted]
>>--Felix
>>
> 
> ADB compatibility is good because it allows NeXT users to use alot
> of Macintosh products which are generally cheaper. If NeXT stuck 
> with their non-standard keyboard architecture it would have been
> awhile before we see graphics tablets and all the other great
> input devices that have appeared on the macintosh.
> CW
>
Does this mean we can get REAL Dvorak keyboards?  I don't know if any exist
for the mac, but there has got to be a higher  probability on the mac.


> -- 
> Carlin E. Wiegner              | rhino@eeap.cwru.edu
> Triumvirate Industries, Inc.   | aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu


jake

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From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: The new mouse
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:10:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.123354.908@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) writes:
>
>
>I thought one could order a new keyboard (starting point)
>You'll get the new keyboard and a new mouse, right?
>So you may not be able to "cheeply" upgrade to color, but
>2 out of 3 ain't that bad!

nono...  Only the newest turbo machines have the ADB hardware to use
the new keyboard and mouse.  All of the machines that are out there
now cannot use them.

sorry...


andrew
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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Nitro
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:01:05 GMT

In article <1anj1tINNkjg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rhino@eeap.cwru.edu
	(Carlin E. Wiegner) writes:
>ADB compatibility is good because it allows NeXT users to use alot
>of Macintosh products which are generally cheaper. If NeXT stuck 
>with their non-standard keyboard architecture it would have been
>awhile before we see graphics tablets and all the other great
>input devices that have appeared on the macintosh.

Like... COPY PROTECTION DONGLES???

BTW, I'm not aware of any current support for ADB graphics
tablets.  Serial varieties have worked since 2.0 days, and 3.0
understands pressure sensitivity.

					-=EPS=-
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