HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Liposuction?
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:32:35 GMT
Organization: Specialix International, London

jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice ) writes:

>Has anyone had any personal experience of lipsuction?  I would *love* to
>get it done to my thighs. 

>What is the cost, how much pain is involved and how long does it take to
>recover from the operation?

>Help, Im really tired of having flabulous thighs!


>Janice.

	wouldn't diet and excersize be a much less drastic way to achieve
the same results? I've seen wonderful transformations from weight training
compbined with cycling or swimming and eating well. Liposuction - I'm told
- is also very painful afterward. And your skin will hang loos for a few weeks
till you've got yourself toned up.

Kamal

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Favorite Foods
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:13:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.235205.14989@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
|> 
|> >The "health" of yorgurt is a marketing myth.
|> >It is more or less equivalent to milk except for the brands that add tons
|> >of sugar to make it taste sweet.
|> 
|> 	Not quite.  There is evidence that the bacilli in yogurt (regular,
|> not frozen!) fight the nasty bacteria in your intestines.  In fact,
|> Prevention magazine recently ranked plain nonfat yogurt (presumably the
|> unsweetened kind) just above skim milk in terms of nutritive value,
|> making it the most nutritious dairy product available.
|> 
|> 	Frozen yogurt, unfortunately, doesn't have all the benefits of
|> the regular stuff.
|> 
|> Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

8 oz nonfat yogurt also contains more calcium that 8 oz skim milk - don't
know WHY that's true, but it must be:  I read it in Newsweek!

Jan
From: pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pomona Anupol Valero)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Gyro's
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccon.713931107.8068.0
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi there,

I've recently gotten a taste of Greek Gyro's and really like them.  My question
is, does anyone know what the health benefits are from the meat?  (I'm not
sure, but I think it's veal and I don't know much about veal.)

Thanks,
Pomona
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Pulled Groin Muscle Question	
Organization: me, myself, and i
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:31:22 GMT

You can try the homeopathic medicine rus tox 30x. Call the health food
stores in your area and see if they carry homeopathic medicines. Take
rus tox 4 times a day without water between meals for 3 days.  Let the
pills disolve under your tongue. Don't drink coffee, use anything with
mint (such as most toothpastes) or camphor (such as Ben Gay or Tiger
Balm) while you are taking a homeopathic medicine or for 48 hours
afterwards. You should notice an improvement within an hour of taking
rus tox. If you don't notice a significant improvement within a day,
stop taking the medicine. Try it, I was sceptical about homeopathic
medicine, but it really works incredibly well!
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		life is too strange

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Chromium Polynicotinate or Picolinate
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.052744.9920@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.142341.19154@bwdls61.bnr.ca> mole@bnr.ca (Mark Asistores) writes:
>
>Well, first, you could say that you're ripped off by any of these,
>since they really don't do what they're heavily suggested to do,
>and even what they're shown to do (i.e., improve the handling of glucose
>and insulin) is a marginal effect which can't be consistently demon-
>strated in humans, and which is hard to relate to any benefits in
>most people.
>
>On the other hand, chromium picolinate isn't very expensive.
>
>Picolinic acid is simply a non-vitamin isomer of nicotinic acid.
>I can't imagine there's much difference in "bioavailability" between
>the two.
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer

steve, 

given your obviously vast technical knowledge of nutrition, it suddenly
occurred to me that your extremely scientific method may have some awesome
returns.  

1.  are you a powerlifter or bodybuilder?

2.  if you are a bodybuilder, what are your numbers (i.e., weight, height,
    upper arms, waist, chest, etc.)?

3.  do you compete?

ciao.

poo
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Body Fat % measured...
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:02:41 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


Can anyone recommend a place in the SF Bay Area to get one's body fat % 
measured?  Preferably the underwater weight method(which I'm told is the
most accurate).

Thanks.

-Richard Boucher
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Steriods in Sports
Keywords: Compromise
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212502.12326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes
|>   
|>   I think an even better compromise would be separate divisions, analogous
|> (kind of) to weight divisions, etc. There could be a Totally Drug-Free divi-
|> sion, with restrictions similar to ones currently in place, a Stimulants-
|> Only division, allowing caffiene, ephedrine, etc., and an "Anything Goes"
|> division allowing anabolic's, HGH, whatever....                 
|>  
|> Comments?             
|> 

This wouldn't work if money is involved, because if I was using steroids, I would	
compete in the Drug Free division  because I would have an edge in winning. Why
would I compete in the Anything Goes division if I could get away undetected in the
Drug Free division (especially if I can make a BUCK)?

Plus, where would one who takes RAT POISON be classified under?




-- 
Richard Park
From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:16:32 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <14959@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>
>Body Weight between 150 lbs. and 159 lbs.
>     SU      BC      UR      MP      BP      SQ      BR     %ile
>     75     122.5   135     175     195     290     210    100
>     72.5   120     132.5   170     190     285     202.5   99.9
>     70     117.5   130     165     185     275     195     99.8
>     65     115     127.5   160     180     265     185     99.4
>     62.5   112.5   125     155     175     255     180     98.4
>     60     110     122.5   150     170     245     172.5   96.2
>     57.5   107.5   120     145     165     235     165     90.3
>     55     105     117.5   140     160     225     155     84.2
>

	I agree with Adam about the accuracy of these tables. I fall into
	the same weight category as above and taking the top line the figures
	of 195 for Bench and 290 for squat are confortably below my maxes. BUT
	there is no way I can curl 122.5, upright row 135, military press 175,
	or bent over row 210! I think I come into the 50% category for most
	of these.

	Does this mean there's something wrong with the tables or me? 


-- 
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| Laurie Constantin  <laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk>,  Dept EM22,  BNR Europe Ltd,   | 
| Oakleigh Rd South,  New Southgate,  London N11 1HB,  UK.                   |
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: john@earljb11.ingr.COM (John H. Earl)
Subject: Optimal Treadmill Use
Reply-To: john@earlj.b11.ingr.COM
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:51:40 GMT

I finally bought a treadmill.  THanks to all who gave me their advice.
Now I need to know the best way to use it to get optimal results.  First,
I have two specific goals in mind at the moment:  

	1) I'm going to Europe on vacation in 6 weeks and I plan to do a
	lot of walking.  I want my legs to be in the best shape for this
	by the time I go.

	2) I need to get rid of my love handles.

There are lots of possible ways to use a treadmill since there are several
variables including the elevation, time, and speed.  I realize that
burning off the fat means getting to my aerobic heart rate and staying
there for at least 20 minutes.  But to get the best workout for strength,
should I do this every day, every other day or something else?  Is walking
with the treamill front elevated better (it does appear to use different
muscles or at least the same muscles in a different way because my legs
feel different)?  With a 5 minute warmup at 2 mph, 20 minutes at 4 mph,
and a 5 minute cooldown at 2 mph, I cover about 1 3/4 miles.  Should I try
walking slower but farther?  Like I say, there are lots of variables and I
don't want to waste my efforts.  So any advice will, again, be
appreciated!
-- 
            ****************************************************
            *    Intergraph        |       John H. Earl        *
            * Systems Product      |      (205) 730-6536       *
            *    Marketing         |  john@earlj.b11.ingr.COM  *
	    *  Huntsville, AL      |     Mail Stop: CR1102     *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mole@bnr.ca (Mark Asistores)
Subject: Chromium Polynicotinate or Picolinate
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:23:41 GMT

In a booklet I read on supplementation by Dr.  Fred  Hatfield  He
states  that  Chromium Polynicotinate and not Chromium Picolinate
has the best bioavailability.  He  says  that  because  of  that,
Chromium  Polynicotinate is more expensive and thus products con-
taining it are more  expensive  but  worth  it  the  good  doctor
claims.

I checked around and there are hardly any products with  Chromium
Polynicotinate.   Also,  if  what  he  says  is true are we being
ripped off by products containing Chromium Picolinate ?
--
                        mole@bnr.ca
"Once while hiking in the wilds of Afghanistan I lost my corkscrew
and we were forced to live on nothing but food and water."
                                      W. C. Fields
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: baker@rtsg.mot.com (Pam Baker)
Subject: Re: The FIRM...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:57:57 GMT

In article <11AUG199210391321@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> psburns@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS) writes:
>Does anyone have any comments (good and bad) about The FIRM video tapes?  I 
>just recieved a catalog from them, and it's loaded with all kinds of great
>customer satisfaction letters that are so enticing to me it makes me want
>to run out and order everything in the book!!!  
>
I rented the first volume from Blockbusters and found it to be
FABULOUS!!!!  The 20? question commentary at the end of the tape
was very inspiring, too.   I'm hooked........

Pam
From: IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Cryan Jr.)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steriods in Sports
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:37:14 GMT
 <1992Aug18.212502.12326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
 <1992Aug19.190056.2209@animal.er.bell.ca>
Organization: University of Maine System



In article <1992Aug19.190056.2209@animal.er.bell.ca>, rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA
(Richard Park) says:
>
>In article <1992Aug18.212502.12326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
>paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes
>|>
>|>   I think an even better compromise would be separate divisions, analogous
>|> (kind of) to weight divisions, etc. There could be a Totally Drug-Free
>divi-
>|> sion, with restrictions similar to ones currently in place, a Stimulants-
>|> Only division, allowing caffiene, ephedrine, etc., and an "Anything Goes"
>|> division allowing anabolic's, HGH, whatever....
>|>
>|> Comments?
>|>
>
  As others have said the idea is good but the media would concentrate on
the best times, weights etc.  The example is the natural bodybuilding and
powerlifting competitions.  The media coverage is poor at best where the
contests that are open (not tested) have some coverage. And the focus is
on the very strong or the very big.


>This wouldn't work if money is involved, because if I was using steroids, I
>would
>compete in the Drug Free division  because I would have an edge in winning.

If, for example, a very wealthy organization sponsored the event and thus
brought in extensive drug tests your chances to get away with anabolic
steroid use would lessened to the point of not wanting to bother.

An alternative is to use drugs in training months before the test, but this
method excludes being at peak strength/speed for the event.

>Why
>would I compete in the Anything Goes division if I could get away undetected
>in
>the
>Drug Free division (especially if I can make a BUCK)?
>

Because the American public loves contraversy.  They would flock to the TV
to see J. Smith 290 lbs 3% body fat compete.  The taboo subjects sell.


...just one opinion

Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: More on aminos
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:25:46 GMT


In a previous article, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) says:

>I've been concerned about this too. All that I know onthe subject, is that
>eating certain foods together you get a "complete protein". Like eating
>beans with rice for example.
>But I've always wondered, how much rice do you eat with a given amount of
>beans? 

	Rule of thumb: equal portions of beans and rice/corn.	

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Crystalline aminos vs peptide aminos
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:18:32 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Aug19.053043.10163@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.115215.302@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>I'm wondering how other bodybuilders out there feel about pure crystalline
>>aminos vs. peptide bonded aminos.
> 
> Well, "peptide-bonded" aminos generally taste better, because that's
> what hamburger, eggs, cheese, milk, tofu, etc. all are.
> 

-Thankyou for the valuable info.  My body needs none of the above.


> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cansoori@athena.mit.edu (Christina Ansoorian)
Subject: starting an excercise schedule
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:33:12 GMT


This semester, I will finally have the time to comitting
to some kind of regular exercise schedule.  My goals are
to improve my cardiovascular health, build up some muscle
in my upper arms and shoulders, and hopefully lose some
lose some fat (in that order).

I plan to take a weight training phys ed class.  It meets
for an hour, twice a week.  I am considering also taking
an aerobics class, but I don't think there is one that will
fit into my class and work schedule.  

My questions:

I know that the weight lifting class recommends two routines,
one for the upper body and one for the lower.  They expect
you to alternate the routines.  I am not interested in increasing
the size of the muscles in my legs, but am very interested in
working my arms and shoulders.  Would it be a problem to work
just my upper body, but not my lower?  

All of the excercise classes and equipment are very inconveniently
located from where I live and work.  As such, I would be much
more likely to do multiple workouts if I were to combine them.
Would a routine like an upper body weight workout for an hour,
followed immediately by 45 min on a stationary bike, be a bad
thing?  Would it be ineffective?  Dangerous?

Can anyone tell me how to calculate my target heart rate for
aerobic exercise?


Thanks in advance!
Christina
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Aerobics and Bodybuilding
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:57:07 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <brian.714201626@tyr> brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) writes:
>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>>Is this a productive approach?  Should I drop the aerobics after
>>lifting?  Are the times okay?  Since I'm new to steady-pulse aerobics
>>(I've done martial arts and biking-around-town in the past) I really
>>have no idea what I'm doing.
>
>     I would keep the aerobic sessions to 3-5 per week and skip the
>aerobics after lifting.  You need to take in carbohydrates about 30 min
>after lifting, and if you're on a bike you might be just pedaling away the
>mass.

The new issue of Ironman has an article on Lou Ferrigno -- he is going to
go for the Olympia, his first contest since 1974.  Among other things, the
article says he now does aerobics, as opposed to the way he (and everyone
else) trained in the old days.  It says he spends at least an hour on an
exercise bike after every workout.

Of course, Lou isn't looking to build new muscle mass, as mere mortals are.
He allegedly weighs 315 (!!!) in the photos, and intends to compete at 285.
He said the others will look like children on stage next to him.

Just an interesting tidbit, even if only partially related to the question.

Dave Wilson
From: jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice )
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: fitness classes in w london?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:32:47 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Imperial College London
NNTP-Posting-Host: wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk



Does anybody know of any *good* fitness classes in the West London area?
I live close to Olympia in W14 and the only class I have found so far in
the Masbro centre is very low impact geared towards mums and grannys! I
need something just a bit more advanced.  Help!

Eagerly awaiting a reply.
Janice.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:28:18 GMT



	The most recent issue of Men's Workout has an interesting
section on abs crunchers.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with those carbohydrates
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.155251.314@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>  
loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
> Now then, complex carbs are converted to energy slower than simple carbs.   
That
> is why you should consume complex carbs rather than simple carbs before your
> workouts; so that you have sustained energy release through your workout.

As many have pointed out before, this is false. That is, the measured
glycemic index of various foods does not bear out the old wisdom that
comples carbs are assimilated more slowly. Carrots raised blood sugar
levels faster than table sugar.

As for energy prior and during workouts, just get a good carb drink
like ULTRAFUEL, and use that. 


--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: afh@cci632.cci.com (Andrew Halperin)
Subject: Muscular Soreness
Keywords: muscle sore workout
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:02:20 GMT

I am curious to find out some detailed information about
muscular soreness after various workouts. I do both
aerobic and anaerobic workouts and find the following.

  1) My leg workout cycle is the longest at about once
     every 9 days. This is due to the fact that I 
     cycle, skate, water ski etc. My other groups(abs,
     chest, back, bi's, tri's, shoulders etc)  cycle
     much faster. I find that after I do my leg workout
     about 2 days after I feel the soreness. I understand
     the lactic acid/circulation reason but why does it
     take 1-2 days for your body to feel the discomfort?

  2) When I work a muscle for the first time, I feel the
     discomfort much sooner. Why?

  3) I do stretch before during and after. I was told
     that deep massage is also a way to alleviate this
     discomfort. Are there any other ways?

  4) Is aerobic soreness and lifting soreness a result
     of the same problem?

Thanks in advance.
-----------------------
Andrew F. Halperin		     E-mail: afh@cci.com
Northern Telcom-NAS/CCI
Performance and Modeling Group       Phone: (716) 482-5000 ext. 2848
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:6849 sci.med:16065
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:40:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.011032.24413@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>Because muscle mass actually burns both glucose and fat all the time.

Yes, unlike the magic 20 minute number that reappears here.

>Strictly speaking though, you are correct.  Strength training doesn't
>make your muscles more efficient at burning fat.  It just increases
>muscle mass, which causes them to burn more fat and more glucose (even
>"toning" exercises actually cause some increase in muscle mass).

Why not speak truth?  People desperate to lose weight, or gain mass, or
speed, will jump onto small 'errors' and try to exploit them.  There is
too much garbage here and in M&F, etc, and it could waste people's
efforts, and in some cases might be dangerous.

For example, a person asks about losing certain fat via weights.  Person
A tells him that weights will make his muscles more efficient fat
burners.  Efficient in what respect?  What is the denominator? 
Perceived effort, time in gym, total calories consumed, time?
For this person's objective, time spent in the weight room will be
mostly wasted, since shorter periods of running will burn more fat.

You agree weights won't raise fat 'efficiency'
but point out that larger muscles will require
more sustenance.  This is true, but he will lose fat only if his
appetite doesn't go up to match his new muscles.  Any evidence about
this?  
-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Met-rx...
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:29:55 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <2004@usna.NAVY.MIL> potter@usna.navy.mil (Mr. Jeff Potter (CADIG  STAFF)) writes:
>  Met-rx has been tested in double blind studies and has been proven to
>reduce fat while enhancing muscular developement.

Got any references handy?

>In truth Met-rx is an
>anti-catabolic formula that inhibits the cortisol production that generally
>results from weight training.

See above.  I am rather suspicious of any food which claims that it
will suppress cortisol secretion.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer