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From: tessier@ee.umanitoba.ca (tessier)
Subject: Getting in touch with Scectrum Holobyte 
Keywords: Falcon 3.0, product, support 
Reply-To: tessier@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:58:17 GMT

I see a few of you out there in simulator-news-land are frustrated by the relatively low ratio of telephone answers/calls when attempting to get in touch with Spectrum Holobyte.  I, also, was frustrated in such manner until I actually looked in my F3 manual and behold, an Internet address existed...it's

76004.2144@compuserve.com

I left a message, and 3 days later received a reply to the effect that my upgrade was on the way.

Give that a try, hope it works for you.

           -----------------Tom Tessier------------------
         ----------University of Manitoba, Canada----------
       -----Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering----- 
     ------------------tessier@ee.umanitoba.ca-----------------

Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: bart@asiago.cs.wisc.edu (Bart Miller)
Subject: Rear shoulder harnesses for Cessna
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:12:30 GMT

As part of Cessna's new program to increase safety (read: decrease liability)
in single engine airplanes, they have been doing some good things.

One of these things is to make kits available to put shoulder harnesses in
the rear seats of all their planes.  The kits are priced near cost to encourage
the purchase.

We recently bought a kit for our 1979 TR182, and found something quite
puzzling.  A little background first:

Our CURRENT front seat belt assembly (which does have a shoulder harness) has
a lapbelt with the buckle side inboard and the blade side outboard.  The blade
side has a tab on which to fasten the shoulder harness.  When you unbuckle the
lap belt, both the lap and shoulder harness come way from the buckle.

In older Cessnas (I remember this from a 1971 T210), the tab for the shoulder
harness was on the inboard, buckle side.  When you opened the lap belt, the
shoulder harness was still across your body and had to be separately unfastened
from the tab.  In an emergency, it was a 2 step procedure to get out of your
belt/harness....which is why it was changed.

Now, in the NEW kits (which include a complete new lap belt and harness),
the buckle side is OUTBOARD and the blade side (with harness tab) is INBOARD.
The effect is that when you open the lap belt, the shoulder harness is still
across your body.  This seems to be a bad idea.

You cannot switch the two sides because (due to the length of the various
pieces) the shoulder harness tab would not be far enough inboard, and because
this would be an "unapproved" installation.

I talked with the technical support folks at Cessna and they did not know why
the kit was designed this way.  One of their engineering folks will get back
to me (and I will post a follow-up)

Anyone else out there tried these kits?
						--bart miller
						  uw-madison cs dept
						  bart@cs.wisc.edu
From: martinl@torolab6.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:10:14 EST
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Decathlons
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

To the poster who was worried about the Decathlon spin characteristics:

This bird has to be the easiest, gentlest spinning machine made. Recoveries
are very consistant. Keep the stick back, and use full opposite rudder.
After the rotation stops, neutralize the rudder before moving the elevator
forward. Don't listen to the C150 aces on how to spin and recover - if
you want to have a real exciting ride in a Decathlon, shove the stick
forward while you still have opposite rudder on. You will most probably
snap into an inverted spin!

Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
From: kmcnabb@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Keith McNabb)
Subject: On the Unauthorized Quote in IFR
Organization: A. C. Nielsen Co., Bannockburn, IL
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 15:52:49 GMT

Regarding the rec.aviation anecdote which wound up in IFR Magazine:

I can sure see both sides to this issue, but I think I'd have a hard
time criticizing IFR too harshly.  Any posting on the Internet is, to
me, the equivalent of spray painting on a billboard and signing your
name.  The content of the message becomes public domain as soon as it
leaves your fingers.

From the wording of the posting, perhaps the issue is not so much 
whether the "lift" was ethical as whether the editor went back on an
earlier commitment.  That's another matter.

Happy Holidays to all you aviators out there.  Happy Winter Solstice
if you happen to be a Druid.

P.S. Doing my second solo cross country - to Oshkosh - on Dec. 26.
Anything I might want to see?

Keith McNabb
kmcnabb@nis.naitc.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: How Old is too Old?
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:38:15 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

I'm in the market for a quiet riding horse - something I can use to pony 
young horses on the trail.   A local, whom I know nothing about, 
has a 22-year old gelding quarter horse for sale - an ex-roping horse.  
The horse appears to be in fairly good condition (I won't even think of 
buying it without a vet check though).  My question is how old is too old? 
or put another way, at what age do the health problems really start to 
interfere with riding?   I'm very leery of buying a horse over 18 and 
getting stuck with a basically unrideable mount.  The owner did let me 
know that he had the horse on a complete feed - he won't keep weight on hay.

So what's the net wisdom on this?  Would you take a chance on an aged horse
that appeared perfect in every way except age?  
-- 
Laurel & TBs Rose & Pregnant Sweetie & Buddy (7 mos) & Pal (2 years)
             AussieXBorder Priscilla & Bubba Jr (BJ)
             Barn/House cats Samantha & Cinderella

All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: Arab + Andalusian <> Lipizzan
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:25:18 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	Half-Arab/half-Andalusians may be triple registered as half-Arab 
with International Arabian Horse Association, half-Andalusian
with one of the Andalusian associations (Teresa, which one?), and
as a Hispano-Arabe with an association formed especially for that cross.
The Arabian/Andalusian cross is said to be very popular currently in
Spain.
	My understanding from talking with a friend of mine who owns
a Lipizzan mare is that two of the major Lipizzan bloodlines decend
from Andalusian horses, Favory and Maestoso, and one major Lipizzan
bloodline decends from the Arabian, Siglavy.  The name of the Spanish
Riding School in Vienna was derived to emphasize the high percentage
of Spanish (Andalusian) blood in their Lipizzan horses.  Finally,
and this is a question, I have read that early in the 1800's all
mares bred in Hungary were required to be crossed with Oriental (Arabian)
stallions, there was a major breeding facility breeding Arabian, and
Lipizzan, horses located at Babolna, Hungary at the time of this decree.
My question is does anyone have any information about whether this
breeding rule affected the Lipizzan mares as well as other local mares
at the time?  And were the produce then listed as Lipizzan in the stud
books?  The book that I have read indicates that this indeed took place, 
however it is only one book.
	It WOULD explain why my friend's Lipizzan mare looks
EXACTLY like my Arabian mare, except for being a little bigger boned
with a larger warmblood head the two of them could be SISTERS!  This mare 
has no Siglavy horses listed in her pedigree, but has a lot of Favory.
As a result of our horses looking so similar she and I are planning to
put together a pas de deux.  Please keep in mind my mare is a VERY
typey Arabian with classic sturdy lines and conformation.  Also my
friend is considering breeding her mare to the sire of my mare's filly
because she is so impressed with my mare and filly and thinks they
would make a nice cross, and also because the Lipizzan bloodlines 
available locally (i.e. within 500 miles) are too close to her mare's
bloodlines.

				Tracy and Bruce (beautiful man) and
				Fable Cachet (7 year old Arabian mare)
				and Misty Mithril (2 year old Arabian filly)
				and The Cats.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tobeor@pmafire.inel.gov (Ray Hoover)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:04:08 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Drugs in racing?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <725303611.AA07642@urchin.fidonet.org> Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall) writes:
>RH>The ability to control drugs in competition is strictly
>RH>controlled by two factors...the honesty of the competitors...
>RH>(and) the ability of the authorities to detect the drugs...
>RH>...As a chemist I can assure you that it is easier to create new
>RH>drugs than it is to detect them.
>
>Every few years, the racing chemists make a breakthrough of some kind
>in their ability to detect drugs and their metabolites. This generally
>results in essentially the same group receiving relatively modest
>penalties. Perhaps harsher punishment for bad tests would weed out
>those individuals. If being ruled off for life was a virtual certainty
>for trying to chemically engineer the outcome of a horse race, few
>trainers would take the chance.
>
I agree about the penalties part.  However, detecting many of the drugs used 
is extremely difficult.  A breakthrough in detection techniques does not neccisarily translate to being able to detect a wide suite of drugs.  This is especially true for some of the drugs which started to appear a few years ago.  These 
new drugs mimic quite closely naturally occuring drugs and hence are even more difficult to detect.  
>RH>...as long as there is lots of money involved, and as long as it
>RH>is virtually impossible to detect most of the drugs being used,
>RH>the drugs will be used...and there is little anyone can do...
>
>The fact that banks occasionally get robbed doesn't make them crooked
>or tempt me to keep my money under the mattress. In racing, everyone
>from the hotwalker to the steward has a vested interest in the image
>of the sport. Consequently, the use of drugs by an unscrupulous few
>is minimal considering the number of races and horses involved therein.
>
I would like to agree about everyone envolved being concerned about the image ofthe sport, but I can't bring myself to believe that many of the people are
considerably more interested in the money.  Perhaps I'm too cynical?
>Tom Stovall
>AFA Journeyman Farrier
>
Best wishes at any rate.      
>___
> X SLMR 2.1a X "For want of a nail, the shoe was lost..."
>
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Utah/Colorado dressage
Date: 28 Dec 1992 03:17:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I'm in the process of trying to convince my wife to come with me on a camping,
canoeing,exploring trip to Utah and Colorado next summer. She'd be really
interested if there were any dressage competitions going on or a "dude
ranch" that was into english and dressage (or even jumping). Idaho, 
Wyoming, and Montana are possibilities too I suppose. 

Does anybody have any help for me? Any and all suggestions welcome.


Regards,
Mike S.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kris@boi.hp.com (kris troxel)
Subject: Re: More on bowed tendons
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:49:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

I have had great luck with the Professional Choice "Sports Medicine Boots".
While I haven't had to deal with a bowed tendon, I use my horses under very
stressful situations for their legs. I find these boots provide support as 
good as wrapping without the hassles. You don't have to worry wether or not
you have cross wrapped under the fetlock correctly, or wether you have a
wrinkle in the bandage. I had put off buying them due to the price, but
have been very glad I finely broke down. 

Kris Troxel
Cassie - Aussie/Border Collie X
Shezza Brat - AQHA
Smart Leo Lena - AQHA

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kevley@maths.tcd.ie (Kevin Crowley)
Subject: Traveling with your horse
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:13:46 GMT


Here in Ireland I used to work in a riding school,and we used to travel 
to a lot of local shows and hunts.The truck was a 6-loader Bedford.
The back was divided into 6 sections by partitions.Each section fitted 
one horse and the partitions were padded with a foam lining,to stop the 
horses hurting themselves.We tie the horses up to stop them moving too
much.We also put bandages on all four legs and a tail bandage to keep 
them intact.As we only went to local shows we didn't need to feed them
but we always brought a couple of drums of water for after the event.
I know that on long-distance journeys,horses can get very dehydrated,so
it is usually a good idea to feed the horses an electrolyte feed to help
prevent this happening.
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: More on bowed tendons
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:17:45
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.intel.com
In-reply-to: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu's message of 22 Dec 1992 19:39:30 GMT


Just as another data point on "bowed" tendons : I have recently
"bowed" (i.e. partially torn) a ligament in my left knee, and
am wearing essentially a splint. Ii is a fabric sleeve that straps
on above and below the knee with 5 big velcro straps, and has
three sets of metal stiffeners : left, right and back. I'm
going to be spending 5 weeks in this thing, 24 hours a day
except in the shower. Of course, it's purpose is to immobolize
the knee so the ligament can heal.

Now ligaments aren't exactly tendons ( ligaments go bone-to-bone,
tendons bone-to-muscle ), and I'm not a horse. But I thought
I'd let people know what doctors do to people with "bows".

( And it did "bow" too : a puffy, sore-to-touch little one. )
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey Video Reviews/Info
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:30:46 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA


Here is a few comments on non-fiction horsey videos

I belong to the Horseman's Source Video Club, and
periodically rent videos.

I just recently rented

"Teaching the Touch" a 2 hour video on the Linda Tellington-Jones
methods.  I watched this last night and was very impressed and
hope to start working on Quest with some of this to see if it
may help some of his stiffness.  I have always wanted to go to
one of her clinics, but haven't been able to afford it, so this
is the next best thing.

I have but haven't watched yet "The T-Touch That Teaches, Part
II, Body, Legs & Tail."  I will post my impressions after I
view it.

In the past I have rented

"The ABCs of Dressage" with Hilda Gurney.  Okay, but not
great for someone just starting out.  Tho it has a few 
good tips. 60 min.

"Dressage" with Bill Woods and Kathy Connelly.  I really 
liked this one as a good explanation of dressage. 50 min.

"Shoulder-In" with Janet Black.  A short, 21 minutes, demo
of shoulder-in what it should and shouldn't look like, and
the importance of the movement. 21 min.

"Canter Work & Flying Changes" with Robert Dover.  I was more
than a bit disapointed with this one, cause I really don't 
believe flying changes are that easy (they sure aren't easy
for my horse). 26 min.

"1988 Dressage World Cup Finals--Grand Prix Kur"
I think all musical freestyles are awesome and these
sure are; includes rides by Christine Stuckelberger,
Otto Hofe, Cindy Ishoy, Robert Dover, Reiner Klimke
and seven others. no commentary. 108 min.

"Center Riding" Part 1 & 2 with Sally Swift.  Great, of
course, for any rider of any discipline. I highly recommend
them to anyone looking to improve their riding.  60 min. ea.

"George Morris: The Science of Riding"  Boring, Boring,
Boring.  If you can stay awake you may pick up a few tips
relating to hunt seat riding.  90 min.

**********

Anyone wishing to become a member of this video club
can call 1-800-325-1894 for more info.  

Melanie
   and Quest
-- 
**************************************************************
          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
**************************************************************
"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
**************************************************************
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: More on bowed tendons
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:39:30 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec21.210634.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> schechter_e@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>... We're doing the usual
>routine and would like more input on the do's and don't's of leg
>wrapping. We're using a quilted underwrap with polo wrap over
>that. We know to avoid wrinkles and keep it firm but not tight.
>Any other suggestions? 

It's not a great idea to use something as stretchy as a polo wrap
for long-term standing bandages.  Polo wraps are pretty much designed
to be used to support the legs while working without using a quilt,
not for standing or shipping wraps.  I think, in your shoes, I'd use
the thickest pillow quilts I could find and flannel bandages.  Since
you are already dealing with a bowed tendon and the biggest danger
in wrapping is to bow the tendon, you want to be very careful!

As for the mechanics of wrapping, you want to start the bandage
at the inside of the cannon bone and bring it to the outside
across the front of the leg.  You want to keep the pressure
quite firm and constant, but you want to avoid pulling against
the tendon.  If you need to make adjustments in tension (i.e. pull
on the bandage) do so across the cannon bone at the front of the
leg, not across the tendon.  The only time you can pull against the
back of the leg is if your wrap needs to go below the fetlock, in which
case you can make one turn that snugs the wrap around the bottom
of the joint.  

If you use pillow quilts (wash them a couple of times to make them 
manageable) and flannels, you are quite unlikely to wrap too
tight.

Good luck!

Debbie
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tobeor@pmafire.inel.gov (Ray Hoover)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:00:23 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Drugs in racing?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <725174873.AA07222@urchin.fidonet.org> Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall) writes:
>(deleted discussion on drugs in racing)
>
>JLI>  I cant argue with you on what the "mild stimulants" were because
>JLI>neither do I remember, nor would I know what they were if I did.
>The
>JLI>program guides for that particular day of racing used abbreviations
>JLI>codes for the different "mild stimulants" each horse was using...
>
>Josh, I hate to labor the point, but understand this: there is no
>such thing as a legal stimulant, mild or otherwise, in any racing
>jurisdiction. You are confusing mild pain killers and bleeder
>medications with stimulants.
>
>In some jurisdictions, all drugs are forbidden. This practice seems,
>to be the most logical in terms of maintaining the integrity of
>racing with the public. (If you are not on intimate terms with the
>DRF or the track program, it's easy to get confused about the various
>kinds of medications a horse can legally receive.) Running horses drug
>free seems to work very well. New York has, arguably, the best
>racing in the world...with no drugs.
>
I'd like to add my two cents here.  The ability to control drugs in competition is strictly controlled by two factors.  The first is the honesty of the competitors, the second is the ability of the authorities to detect the drugs 
being illegally used.  As a chemist I can assure you that it is easier to 
create new drugs than it is to detect them.  I agree that drugs should not be used, but as long as there is lots of money involved, and as long as it is
virtually impossible to detect most of the drugs being used, the drugs will
be used.  IMHO that is the state of racing today.  The drugs are being used
and there is little anyone can do about it.
>Tom Stovall
>
>AFA Journeyman Farrier
>___
> X SLMR 2.1a X If at first you don't succeed...distroy all the
>evidence!
>
From: amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Marchant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: more on Arab+Andalusian<>Lipizzan
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:40:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Arab, Andalusian, Lipizzan

As John pointed out in a previous article, to say that Lipizzans are
descended from Andalusians or that the Spanish Riding School got
its name from the fact that Andalusians were used is not strictly
correct.

Spanish horses were used as some of the foundation stock, but
"Spanish" does not equal "Andalusian".  Both Lipizzans and Andalusians
have ancestors who were bred from Arab, Berber, and Iberian horses.
Andalusians and Lipizzans were bred for different purposes and
the breeds diverged early on.  In other words, they are cousins
with some common ancestors, but the one is not the direct descendent
of the other.

The Lipizzan is also descended from Karst, Kladruber, Danish, and
Neapolitan horses.

Tracy had asked whether Lipizzans were crossed with Arabs at Babolna
in Hungary during the early 19th century.

This is the best information I have been able to uncover to date.
Most of what follows is courtesy of Mary Lightstone of Santa Ynez
California who helped put together the USLR Studbook and has
researched Lipizzan pedigrees for many years.

The Napoleanic wars drove the Lipizzans into Hungary but they
were south of Babolna.  Though there may have been Lipizzans at
Babolna, it was largely an Arab breeding center.  Although Hungary
and Romania are known for cross breeding Lipizzans, Mary was not
aware of Lipizzans from this era (or area) with Arab sires.

Thanks for all your questions folks!  Keeping 'em coming!

Anne Marchant

PS On a personal note, we are anxiously awaiting our second purebred
foal this April.  If s/he turns out half as nicely as the first,
I'll be thrilled!

-- 
Anne Marchant, Lone Tree Lipizzans, 6221 Lone Tree Way Brentwood,
(northern) CA 94513, (510) 516-0821
amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stallions
From: Bliss B Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 22:28:26 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have this adorable Connemara gelding who wasn't gelded until he was three and
 who fathered at least one mare that I know of.  He is very talented, and very
striking so I always wondered why he was gelded.  He has the most wonderful
temperament as well.  Well, he had some real health problems, which gave me
reason to call his breeder (he's now 10, I didn't buy him frm them). When I
asked why the gelded him, they explained that he was very immature, had to be
constantly "trained" and they believed he wouldn't find the proper home as a
stud although I have since met people who saw him shortly after he was gelded
and were very upset that hadn't gotten to see him before. But my point is that
he has turned into a delightful animal and I believe they made the right
decision (and not jsut because I wouldn't have him if he were stud). He is a
very people-oriented horse and I think that he might not have found the kind
of environment he needed. Just my two cents which are clearly prejudiced.

Bliss, who loves Rocky & Savvy, but adores Chance the most!