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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Lockpick guidess
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:52:58 GMT


Can anyone here please email me the FAQ and any picking guides (I've already
seen informatik-5..)


Thanks a lot... I've also found an easier way to get into offices and such with
double doors... take a protractor with the flat edge broken off, and you can
"unhook" the lock.. it's not quite "lockpicking", but it works.. :D
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Roy Barrett... Yep, that's my name...

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: yabi@ellis.uchicago.edu (Scott Thomas Yabiku)
Subject: Discouragement from Locksmiths
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:56:37 GMT

This is an email I received and my reply to it:

On Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:02:31 -0500, Steve Busko Jr. wrote:
>if you do not know how to pick locks dont try dummy
>This mail is from Chris W. via my acct.  I'm a veteran locksmith.
>P.S. - Being in possession of picks in most states is considered
>illegal if not a locksmith.
>..wq

(Steve, if you could please forward this to Chris W.)
Chris W.,
  Don't you be telling me what I can and cannot do.  I've often read that
locksmiths discourage people from learning to pick locks.  They want to
keep their trade skills secret, so they can charge people crazy amounts
of money, like $50, to open a lock.  That's wrong.  I find locksmithing to 
be very interesting, and I freely help others learn what I know.
  I'm not a criminal.  I've never used my locksmithing skills to steal
anything.  Possession of picks is a crime?  Big deal.  I, as do many 
people, feel that my government has no right to tell me what I can't own 
for my personal use (ie, handguns, RSA encryption, lockpicks...).
[end]
Has anyone else ever been told by a locksmith to "butt out" of his
profession?  I'd be interested to hear about it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Have a nice day!  :)

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: zerucha@shell.portal.com (Thomas E Zerucha)
Subject: Re: Lockpick guidess
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:30:09 GMT

> notes on using a protactor to open a lock

A better one I found was a hospital that had an electric lock with a numeric
keypad and an electrically operated bolt - if you pushed the door the bolt
would unlatch but reconnect before you could push the door.  Of course putting
anything like a plastic card would hold the latch open and you could get
through.  The bolt mechanism was exposed and it was easy to see, but I supposed
the keypad was designed to scare people off.

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Trick for auto entry in the news.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:27:25 GMT

jstark@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Jens Stark) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >: 
: >Nope - first time. I also expect that it is just a rumor.
: >I know of no way that this would work. It would have to
: >line up all the pins/wafers at once, plus torque the plug
: >in the correct direction. A lot to ask of a random puff
: >of air. But then, we all know how accurate the news media
: >is.
: 
: Well, it ran through german news as well.
: One of the strangest methods to break into a car was used on a mercedes of
: a friend of mine. They fired some 9mm cartridges at his door from a little
: distance. The police claims this to be a method of increasing popularity.
: ( Didnt work this time... but the door was ruined... )

Why don't they just break a window? It is quieter, and certainly more
effective. I question any police statement that such a stupid method is
becoming more popular - at least, for being effective at breaking into 
an automobile. Maybe they just want to make it expensive for the Mercedes
owner to get his/her car fixed.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Mag Stripe Writing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:30:57 GMT

schuyler@acf9.nyu.edu (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes:
: This seems like the best shot as to which newsgroup.  Anyone know where I
: can get a machine to write magnetic stripes?  I see a potential for money
: making here . . . not fraudulent, I'd check ID and stuff before doing it.
: But how many people do you know who have children or SOs who they'd like
: to give access to their accounts?  Makes sense to me. . . .  And how about
: student IDs.  Wouldn't it be nice to have a spare around in your exercise
: clothes or something (well, it's an idea) so you don't have to keep juggling
: it from wallet to shoelace. . . ?

The cards are owned by the bank - they do not belong to the customer. As
such, it is illegal for you to duplicate the information on the card. Any
that you made would be forgery. I am sure that you would not want to be
taken into court on such a charge.

Bill
From: crandall@spock.usc.edu (Mike Crandall)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Prospective Lock Buyer
Date: 22 Nov 1992 08:22:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov20.020559.29120@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbent@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darrell A Bent) writes:
>
>  Anyone know where I can get a good lock?  It's got to be good and sturdy.
At a lock shop.


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From: villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (John Villalovos)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Nabbing a car thief (was: car alarms)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:46:37 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: xanth.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov19.202640.9537@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>Unfortunately, you would find yourself in court - as a defendant - being
>sued by the person you shot. And, the person would collect - such is the
>stupidity of our current legal system. That person would then own you, 
>very possibly for the rest of your life.
>
>I suggest you have a long talk with a few law enforcement officers, before
>you decide that this is the best course of action.

I know this isn't in the news group topic....but I got this catalog of different
ammunition that you can buy and they sell rubber bullets for shotguns.  That
might work.  Don't know why they sent it to me since I don't even own a gun.

Later,
-- 
John Villalovos
Certified Netware Engineer
villalj@xanth.cs.orst.edu
(503) 753-7883
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Discouragement from Locksmiths
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:20:27 GMT

zerucha@shell.portal.com (Thomas E Zerucha) writes:
: One problem with trying to find if lockpicks are illegal is that few people
: seem to know for sure.  Our Bureau of Licensing and Regulation does not license
: or regulate locksmiths.  Our local library had a list of city ordainances that
: also said nothing about the subject.  I have to assume that in most places they
: are not illegal.
: 
: I also remember reading somewhere that simply using a lockpick can be considered
: breaking and entering if it is not your lock.

Only if you have no right to be picking that lock. For example, if the house
owner hires you to open the door, then it doesn't matter whether you are a
locksmith or not - you cannot be arrested for breaking and entering. You could,
if the authorities wanted to be nasty, be cited for practicing locksmithing
without the proper licenses - if they are required in your area. However, any
such citation would be a civil charge - not a criminal matter.

One warning - if someone hires you to pick a lock - be sure to get plenty
of identification. You are required to do your best to make sure the person
is actually in legal control of the lock, and what it is protecting.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: rjhawkin@mothra.syr.EDU (The Virtual Kid)
Subject: Re: Informatik-5 locksmithing file
Keywords: ftp eff.org phrack informatik 2600
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:33:58 EST

In article <1992Nov9.223345.27201@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
>Where at FTP.EFF.ORG????
>
ftp ftp.eff.org
login: anonymous
password: <what ever>
 
            Check in the /pub/cud section for a list of directories
         for instance in the phrack  directory is an index and a copy 
         of all the phrack's 1-40.
            There is also an Informatik directory amongst others.



DISCLAMER:  I am fully irresponsible for my typing above, my spelling
            and punctuation(sp?).  My ideas are my own (usually)
            unless ummm...I forgot. Oh well no great loss.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Trick for auto entry in the news.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:12:07 GMT

mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson) writes:
: 
: A local news story said that thiefs had been exploiting
: a new trick to unlock cars.
: 
: The claim was that one could take a tennis ball, cut a 
: hole about the size of a quarter in it.  Place the hole
: flush with the door over the keyway.  Then give the ball
: a sharp blow, while at the same time pulling on the door
: handle.  Up pops the lock. Sort of a pneumatic pick gun.  
: 
: I've not had a chance to try this yet.  Has anyone
: else heard of this?  Anyone tried it successfully?

Nope - first time. I also expect that it is just a rumor.
I know of no way that this would work. It would have to
line up all the pins/wafers at once, plus torque the plug
in the correct direction. A lot to ask of a random puff
of air. But then, we all know how accurate the news media
is.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: dmyers@galley.cis.ohio-state.edu (david e myers)
Subject: Re: Trick for auto entry in the news.
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:12:58 GMT

In article <jstark.722535792@mcshh.hanse.de> jstark@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Jens Stark) writes:

>Well, it ran through german news as well.
>One of the strangest methods to break into a car was used on a mercedes of
>a friend of mine. They fired some 9mm cartridges at his door from a little
>distance. The police claims this to be a method of increasing popularity.
>( Didnt work this time... but the door was ruined... )
>
>   Jens
>
     Isn't this a little obvious? Why not throw a brick through the window?
   If the intent was to just get inside, it would certainly be easier to
   break the window and take what you wanted. If you were trying to steal
   the car, why shoot holes in it? (Unless you were planning to joyride,
   in which case you don't care if the car has holes in it.)

	Dave


Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad)
Subject: Re: Discouragement from Locksmiths
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:10:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194326.21134@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>
>Possession of picks, contrary to what Chris said, is not a crime in most
>areas of the country. I do believe that it is in the District of Columbia.
>I don't think that any states have laws against possession - although some
>cities may.
>
>Bill

I don't think possession is illegal, but I have heard that it's 
illegal to carry picks on your person, is this correct?

scot

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Discouragement from Locksmiths
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:15 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>Possession of picks, contrary to what Chris said, is not a crime in most
>areas of the country. I do believe that it is in the District of Columbia.
>I don't think that any states have laws against possession - although some
>cities may.
*----
Most places have laws against "possession of burglar tools" or something
similar.  I know somebody who was charged with this because of lock picks
in his possession.  It could also apply to a screwdriver under the right
circumstances.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: jstark@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Jens Stark)
Subject: Re: Trick for auto entry in the news.
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:23:12 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson) writes:
>: 
>: A local news story said that thiefs had been exploiting
>: a new trick to unlock cars.
>: 
>: The claim was that one could take a tennis ball, cut a 
>: hole about the size of a quarter in it.  Place the hole
>: flush with the door over the keyway.  Then give the ball
>: a sharp blow, while at the same time pulling on the door
>: handle.  Up pops the lock. Sort of a pneumatic pick gun.  
>: 
>: I've not had a chance to try this yet.  Has anyone
>: else heard of this?  Anyone tried it successfully?

>Nope - first time. I also expect that it is just a rumor.
>I know of no way that this would work. It would have to
>line up all the pins/wafers at once, plus torque the plug
>in the correct direction. A lot to ask of a random puff
>of air. But then, we all know how accurate the news media
>is.



>Bill

Well, it ran through german news as well.
One of the strangest methods to break into a car was used on a mercedes of
a friend of mine. They fired some 9mm cartridges at his door from a little
distance. The police claims this to be a method of increasing popularity.
( Didnt work this time... but the door was ruined... )

   Jens

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad)
Subject: Re: hm? (was Re: FORSALE)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:00:01 GMT


>>This is a joke, right?  $19.95 from GALLs, case and all...
>
>what is GALLs?  where is it?  and how can i get them at this price?
>
No, this is not a joke!  I just this very day recieved my picks from them.
YES TODAY (11/17)!!  Call them at 1-800-477-7766.  They only sell them
to "public saftey personell" though.  Fortunately, I happen to be an
*ahem* volunteer fire fighter. >:-}  Now for a question, Does it matter
if I start from the front or back of the lock.  Up until now I've been
raking *ugh*.
scot



Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: peter@nikow.demon.co.uk ("Peter A. Forkes")
Distribution: world
Subject: Electric pick guns
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.14 $
Organization: Nikow
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:27:54 +0000

I've heard that there are electric lock pick guns avaulable.  Can anyone
confirm this and if so tell me where I could pick one up (no pun intended).

Thanks,

Peter

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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: steveha@microsoft.com (Steve Hastings)
Subject: Re: Nabbing a car thief (was: car alarms)
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:34:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Applications Division

In article <1eh1vtINN637@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (John Villalovos) writes:
>I got this catalog of different
>ammunition that you can buy and they sell rubber bullets for shotguns.  That
>might work.  Don't know why they sent it to me since I don't even own a gun.

Don't even *think* about using a gun for self-defense until you either
complete a good gun safety/self-defense class, or at least read a bunch of
good books on the subject.  The essential reference is _In the Gravest
Extreme_ by Massad Ayoob.  Also good: _The Street-Smart Gun Book_, _The
Truth about Self-Protection_, _Armed and Female_ (a great book and you
don't have to be female to read it).

There's at least three different ways the rubber bullets trick could get
you into big trouble.  You either don't need a gun, or you need a real gun
with real bullets (and you need it real bad).
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Electric pick guns
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:34:30 GMT

peter@nikow.demon.co.uk ("Peter A. Forkes") writes:
: I've heard that there are electric lock pick guns avaulable.  Can anyone
: confirm this and if so tell me where I could pick one up (no pun intended).

Just like an electic carving knife - they are of questionable value. The
same is true, to a lesser extent, of any pick gun. I have not encountered
a lock yet that required a pick gun to open. If I could pick it at all,
then my standard picks worked fine. 

Don't waste your money.

Bill
Xref: sparky alt.locksmithing:2004 rec.audio.car:4868
From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: interest in car alarm group?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:35:32 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:

> In article <1992Nov13.200248.15279@newshub.sdsu.edu> dunster@sdsu.edu (mark d
> >
> >You also mentioned the Lo-Jack etc.  Tell me more! I suggest we start a 
> >newsgroup:
> >
> >                    rec.autos.security
> >
> >Any opinions?
> >
> That sounds like the best idea so far.  A little bit broader,
> allowing for options other than just alarms.
> 
> But then, no one is likely to consider stealing my 11YO Chevette
> with 100,000+ miles on it ! :-)

Don't count on it. There have been increases in the thefts of older less
valuable cars.  Especially for parting out. :)

In  houston I had an uncle who's 10-12 YO car stolen 3 times.  The last time
he never got it back.

Greg

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From: ajs-d@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Car alarms (groan)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:23:42 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

I have a moss MS720 car alarm. It's been fine ever since I got it in March.
However, in the recent cold weather, it refuses to 'tock' when I arm/disarm it.

Since there doesn't appear to be anything else wrong with it, I would like
to know whether this is a general problem, or whether it is worth spending
about a fiver listening to music if I phone up the technical helpline.

Post or mail any replies; i don't care :)

Al

PS Try and flame my .sig now, pete!

--
Al Smith  University of York  ajs-d@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: Nabbing a car thief (was: car alarms)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:45:57 GMT

trimblte@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Todd E Trimble) writes:

>In article <1eegh0INNg50@athena.sdsu.edu> dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster)  
>writes:
>-->If he had decided to make a run for it, you presumably wouldn't want to 
>-->shoot him in the back (manslaughter I would think). My guess is that  
>most 
>-->thieves would just make a run for it, and not give up quietly.

>This topic is really not lock-related...but here goes.....

>1) Guns tend to make people dumb.  (Please no one take this out of  
>context....)  When one points a gun at another person, the person on the  
>end that isn't safe normally wouldn't stop to think, "Hey, if I run, this  
>clown isn't gonna shoot me," I wouldn't imagine.  When a gun gets pointed,  
>the pointer soon has the pointee's full atention and obedience in most  
>situations.

>2)  If faced with the "he won't kill me-I'll run" scenario, I think my  
>first shot with a shot gun would be at the calves of the fleeing thief.   
>This would stop, but not kill the involved party.  Sure, the charge could  
>still be leveled "Assualt w/a deadly weapon" or some-such, but it ain't  
>murder, and I'm not sure the case would even be brought.  There is that  
>fuzzy line of what "protecting one's person, family and property" entails.   
>If I fire a goodly sized charge of buckshot into the calves of any  
>would-be-thief, and (s)he STILL has the gumption to get away, it won't be  
>hard to find them in a gutter or hospital the next morning.
>--
>Todd Eric Trimble
><Quote from me>   <Disclaimer>    <List of quotes from others>

I'd like to suggest that this thread be moved to rec.guns or talk.politics.
guns.

That said, I'll put my $0.02 in...;o)

Why risk the jail time?  Not only is it assault with a deadly weapon
but also reckless endangerment (of the surrounding dwellings, peds, etc.),
discharging a firearm within city limits, and whatever else the DA wants
to come up with.  Even if you do get off with only probation, you're still
vulnerable to civil suits from the perpetrator!

If you need to shoot, shoot to kill.  If you can't justify a killing
(imminent mortal danger to yourself or your family), don't shoot the gun.
If the perp runs away, consider yourself lucky: he won't likely come back
and you won't get nailed for a "revenge" maiming or killing.

David Basiji
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: peter@nikow.demon.co.uk ("Peter A. Forkes")
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Gall's
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.14 $
Organization: Nikow
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:38:09 +0000

Can anyone give me the fax number for Gall's?  

I am in England and sent for a catalogue from them many weeks ago.  Since
I am in England I can not dial the 800 number, and writing again feels 
pointless.  If I had the fax number then I could send them a fax and 
hopefully get a catalog from them.

Thanks,

Peter

PS Could anyone give me the names/addresses/fax numbers of other, similar,
companies?

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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Prospective Lock Buyer
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:16:54 GMT

dbent@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darrell A Bent) writes in:

>  Anyone know where I can get a good lock?  It's got to be good and sturdy.

What type of application are you looking for?  Residential or Commercial?
High crime or low crime area?  Internal or external lock?  Keeping honest
people honest or making it difficult for dishonest people to get in? High
value storage, or preserve privacy?  Send me e-mail and perhaps I can
help.

Chris Colvin
Locksmith since 1972
now industrial security specialist.