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From: markwc@barney.esl.com (Mark Christiansen)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: Diapers and Baby's
Keywords: the BOTTOM line
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:26:07 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: ESL Inc., Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Sep2.075148.9613@resonex.com>
frankm@resonex.com (Frank Muennemann) writes:

>In article <37536@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>

>There IS a consensus: Paper diapers ARE a major component of
>landfill bulk.  If you kid has gastrointestinal infections,
>the microbes wind up being stored in/near the landfill.
>They are NOT environmentally sound.  If you care about the 
>environment, call your local diaper service and ask them for 
>their literature.

Why all the bother.  All the rest of nature leave the the feces out in
the open air.  Somewhere along the way we decided to polute our water
with waste (something that most creatures don't do) and we also
decided seal off all biodegradable material in our landfills making it
impossible to degrade.  Something needs to be done about both.

Mark
-- 
   When I examined myself and my methods of thought I came to the
conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my
talent for absorbing positive knowledge.
   -- Albert Einstein
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: stop Auburn Dam, save $1 billion
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:30:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

It'll cost you less to call your Congress(wo)man now than to pay for
Auburn Dam later, if the Fazio amendment passes next week.  Please
call today, whether you live in California or not.  The Congressional
switchboard number is 202-224-3121.  You can save even more money by
calling your Representative's local office!  Thank you.


		AUBURN DAM UPDATE

The House is supposed to vote on the Natural Resources Development
Act of 1992 (HR 5754) next Wednesday, September 16.  From the floor,
Vic Fazio will try to add his Auburn Dam amendment to this bill.

Here's how you can help defeat Auburn dam: call your Congress(wo)man's
office and say "Please vote against adding the Auburn Dam amendment
(HR 5414) to the Natural Resources Development Act of 1992 (HR 5754)
when Congressman Fazio proposes this amendment next week."

Auburn Dam is being touted for flood control, but levee improvements
would be more effective, and cheaper.  Auburn Dam is supposed to be a
dry dam-- a billion dollars of concrete with no water behind it.

The Sacramento Area Flood Control Agency's consulting engineers report*
recommends several actions-- upgrading existing flood control levees,
lowering an existing spillway on Folsom Dam, and making a modest change
in Folsom flood storage-- to provide real flood control for Sacramento,
and save taxpayers more than $567 million in dam building costs.

---
* "A Review of Key Issues from the American River Watershed
Investigation Feasibility Study and an Analysis of Alternatives
for Increasing Flood Protection in Sacramento", Mitchell Swanson
and Associates, March 1992.
From: ez008579@othello.ucdavis.edu (Dudley McFadden)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Scenic route, San Diego - San Francisco
Keywords: San Diego, driving
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:55:07 GMT
Followup-To: Article 2012
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Unless you're really rushed don't bother with I-5 between
Tejon Pass (aka The Grapevine) and CA 152 (Los Banos).  Highway 101 is
FAR more scenic, and as of Nov. 91 no stop lights before S.F.
I would say this is the state's most scenic four-lane highway.
It is slightly longer and not 65mph but lightly travelled north of
Santa Barbara, even around Thanksgiving.

I grew up in San Jose and lived in Santa Barbara for four years (UCSB)
then lived in LA for three years and have made countless trips up and down.
People always warn me of a CHP speed trap around King City but
I have NEVER seen one; perhaps someone will dispute this.

From San Diego take I-5 to the El Toro Y and take the 405 north to 101 unless
it is a weekday morning, when you should probably stay on I-5 until it
intersects the Ventura Freeway (134).  Consult the Thomas Guide.

By the way, to go to Sacramento I suggest hwy. 99 instead of I-5.
Xref: sparky ca.driving:2093 rec.autos:21759
From: pnelson@opus.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Accidents and insurance (was Re: tickets and insurance)
Summary: my experience & Chrysler for sale
Keywords: Be careful out there, people
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:02:23 GMT
Followup-To: ca.driving
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)


Recently I had a minor accident which was my fault (I turned left into the
path of an old lady in a Subaru). My insurance company (State Farm) paid
$2293 to repair the other party's auto, $600. for "soft tissue injury"
(She said she was unhurt, I guess she discovered the injury later), and
$1650 to repair my car ($2650 - my $1000 deductible). Also, during the
investigation, I corrected my annual mileage estimate from 7500 to 12000
miles per year.

The result?

My premium, which was $275.64 / 6 months, is now $548.65 / 6 months.

So, who wants to buy my 1990 LeBaron GT Coupe? As you can see, it's not
horribly expensive to insure _if_ you are a "California good driver".

I was a "California good driver" :-(


Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.Tymnet.COM . San Jose, CA, USA . 408-922-7508

  A cheerful heart is a good medicine,
            but a downcast spirit dries up the bones.   Proverbs 17:22
From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:14:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Accidents and insurance (was Re: tickets and insurance)
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: ca.driving

>>My premium, which was $275.64 / 6 months, is now $548.65 / 6 months.

Did State Farm give you a reason for the jump? In similar situations in the
past, I've found that State Farm will remove one of the discounts and add a
slight ($25) surcharge, but this was before insurance reforms recently. IMHO
I think policy holders should be allowed to have occasional fender benders
without increasing their premiums. What's insurance for?
From: jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Date: 4 Sep 1992 23:49:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: crown.berkeley.edu

Gee. It sounds pretty grim for me right now. Thanks for all the advice- 
I think I'll be looking into the salvage idea and more into the out of
state registration idea, although then I'll probably be asked to pay
the smog impact fee of $300 or so.

thanks again,
mark
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Those expired registrations
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:42:30 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)

Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:

>6648470@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>>Does anything every happen to those cars/drivers that I see driving
>>>around with expired tags on their CA license plates?
>>Unless the car is stopped by a officer of the law, they are unnoticed
>>and unpunished.

My two stories: 

(1) I had a valid sticker, but was stopped for exceeding the Federally
Mandated revenue generation limit.  I hadn't taken anything *out* of
the glovebox for about 2 years, and just couldn't find that
registration.  When I was looking through my wallet (where I keep my
motorcycle ones), the cop got impatient and said "there, that must be
it!", and I handed him the registration for my BWM bike, telling him I
didn't think this was the right one.  He took it, wrote up the ticket,
and sent me off.

Now, he probably got feedback from headquarters that I was ok, and
the tag was ok, but I still found it interesting that the correct
paperwork wasn't really all that necessary.

(2) I had just bought a new car, and the headlights were aligned
badly.  I had this cop on a bike pass me going the other direction,
and he flashed his lights at me.  I flashed back 2-3 times, and he
pulled me over for "acting like a xmas tree".  This was in the Nazi
burrow of Fremont.  The car did not have plates, since I had bought it
that morning, and the "new" sticker was clearly attached to the
windshield.  When he asked for licence and registration I pointed out
that the car was brand spanking new, and didn't have plates, so I
didn't actually have a registration yet.  I suppose if I hadn't had
my old and nervous mother with me, I would have gotten written up for
my bad attitude, and non-regulation shirt color.

As far as people who actually never pay the registration, they will
only get caught if they get stopped or a zero velocity vehicle officer
tickets them for visiting one area of town for to long, but only if
the cop actually checks things like expiration dates or looks at your
license plate in the right spot for very long.  I think we should all
take it upon ourselves to follow these low-life freeloaders back to
their houses, take pictures, and submit a dossier to the DMW so that
they can go reposses their dog, or some other suitable punishment for
being such a scab on the lilly white skin of society.  Or not...
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: tickets and insurance
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:07:37 GMT
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com

Is this why half of the cars running on the street are uninsured?

If people has accident-free record  or  whatever,  the  high  in-
surence  fee  might force them to gamble not paying thousand dol-
lars incurence coverage.
From: bchen@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Benjamin Chen)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Embarcadero Speed Trap (more evidence for tix==revenue)
Date: 12 Sep 1992 00:21:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

>A lady, who drives a jaguar, got 3 tickets at exactly the
>same spot on Embacaderro, and, all caught by the same cop!  Even the cop
>was amused when he got her the third time.

Just another indication of cops giving tickets for revenue rather than
enforcing safety.  Why would the cop be AMUSED rather than ANGRY that
the lady didn't learn to slow down for the sake of her safety and the
safety of others?

	BC
-- 
Benjamin Chen
Office:   550-A4 Cory Hall, 2-4332
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HEPNET:   LBL::"bchen@diva.Berkeley.EDU"
From: makey@VisiCom.COM (Jeff Makey)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Those expired registrations
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:16:03 GMT
Organization: VisiCom Laboratories, Inc., San Diego, California

In article <37906@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ryamaguc@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Do the Hustle!) writes:
>  I was wondering what happens if you get one of these tickets when
>the car _is_ registered.  (ie tags stolen or fallen off)  Can you
>fight these tickets as long as you show regiatration?

If the car really is registered the odds are that the cop will call
in, find this out, and give you a different ticket.  My story:

I had renewed the registration on one of my cars, but had not yet put
the new sticker on the license plate.  One day I found it with a
ticket for failure to display a valid license plate (or something like
that), which is nothing more than a $15 (or so) parking ticket.  I
looked it up in the CVC and the way the law is written a license plate
is only valid if it has the current sticker on it.

                           :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
    Disclaimer: All opinions are strictly those of the author.
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Xref: sparky ca.driving:2094 rec.autos:21763
From: pnelson@opus.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: An Expenditure of Lexi (was Re: A Gaggle of Lexi)
Summary: wrong group flame (sort of)
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:42:00 GMT
Followup-To: ca.driving
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <19942@fritz.filenet.com> asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:
...

>Therein, the Hero finds himself skydiving with the 37 "Flying Elvises."
>
>Now I ask you.  Shouldn't that be "Flying Elvi?"

Really, Mr. Munk, this has nothing whatever to do with either driving or
autos. Have you considered posting this to rec.aviation? alt.elvis.sighting?
alt.rock-n-roll? rec.audio.high-end? :-)


Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.Tymnet.COM . San Jose, CA, USA . 408-922-7508

  A cheerful heart is a good medicine,
            but a downcast spirit dries up the bones.   Proverbs 17:22
From: pnelson@cobra.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Embarcadero Speed Trap (more evidence for tix==revenue)
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:34:02 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <18rd6vINN5ta@agate.berkeley.edu> bchen@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Benjamin Chen) writes:
||A lady, who drives a jaguar, got 3 tickets at exactly the
||same spot on Embacaderro, and, all caught by the same cop!  Even the cop
||was amused when he got her the third time.
|
|Just another indication of cops giving tickets for revenue rather than
|enforcing safety.  Why would the cop be AMUSED rather than ANGRY that
|the lady didn't learn to slow down for the sake of her safety and the
|safety of others?

Maybe because if he got angry instead of amused every time something like
that happened (probably daily), he would have six ulcers & a nervous twitch.

Which kind of policeman would you rather have walking up to cars with a gun
on his hip - angry, or amused?


|UUCP:     !ucbvax!diva!bchen               


-- 
Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.Tymnet.COM . San Jose, CA, USA . 408-922-7508

  "Every improvement in communication makes the bore more terrible."
							-Frank Moore Colby
From: ez008579@othello.ucdavis.edu (Dudley McFadden)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Metric signs
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:41:34 GMT
Reply-To: demcfadden@ucdavis.edu
Followup-To: 2051 of ca.driving
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

It seems hard to believe that a behemoth like the U.S. Government can EVER
change to the metric system.
Besides, the Feds have no power to regulate intrastate commerce (although
they managed to impose the 55 mph limit via the gas tax).

Also, I visited several national parks last summer and noticed that they 
now mostly just give feet and miles when talking about mountains, trails,
etc. in their guide folders.  I have some older ones that show SI units 
with ridiculous precision followed by U.S. units in parenthesis (like 
"Mount Foobar is over 3962.4 meters (13,000 ft) tall.").  So at least that
agency has abandoned this metric BS.

--Dudley McFadden     <demcfadden@ucdavis.edu>
-- 
--Dudley McFadden     <preferred:  demcfadden@ucdavis.edu>
Xref: sparky ca.driving:2091 rec.autos:21689
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: An Expenditure of Lexi (was Re: A Gaggle of Lexi)
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:21:30 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Since we've decided (or, at least I have) that the proper collective and
plural is "Expenditure of Lexi," I thot I'd direct your attention to the
latest movie out now, called "Honeymoon in Las Vegas."  I'm sure you've
seen at least the promotions, if not the movie.

Therein, the Hero finds himself skydiving with the 37 "Flying Elvises."

Now I ask you.  Shouldn't that be "Flying Elvi?"

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Know thyself.  If you need help, call the C.I.A.
Xref: sparky ca.driving:2086 rec.autos.driving:5288
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: A Gaggle of Lexi
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 21:50:37 EDT
Organization: Hurts rent-a-dungeon, Inc.

asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:

> Written in article <1992Aug31.101025.1217@informix.com>
>  by aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic):
> 
> : In article <19717@fritz.filenet.com> asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The 
> :    Chipmunk) writes:
> :>
> :> Suppose you buy a Lexus, and you really like it.  So, you buy another
> :> one for your wife.  Now you have two.
> :>
> :> Does this mean you have two "Lexuses," or "Lexi?"
> :
> : It means you have (had) too much spending money.                 [-:
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> 10 or 12 of 'em, now, maybe ... B-{)

Uh, that would be "Lexcess", I believe. :)
From: levine@liege.ics.uci.edu (David Levine)
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:56:29 GMT

J. Mark Noworolski writes:

>out of state registration idea, although then I'll probably be asked to pay
>the smog impact fee of $300 or so.

The smog impact fee should apply based on the vehicle build; if it wasn't
built to CA emissions standards, then the fee applies.  It should have
nothing to do with where the vehicle has been registered.  If the vehicle
was first purchased in CA, it almost certainly was built to CA standards.

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possible, to do no harm                         | UUCP: ...!uunet!ucivax!levine
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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: robert@cs.caltech.edu (Robert J Harley)
Subject: Help, Blue Book
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:02:21 GMT

     Hi fellow netter!  I need to find out the "Blue Book" value of a
1984 Volve 760 GLE automatic (I'm a prospective buyer and would like
to avoid getting diddled =;-)  Can you help?  If so, please respond by
email.

     Thank you in anticipation...

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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning)
Subject: Motorcycle ride, San Jose -> Yosemite
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:24:56 GMT
Reply-To: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: ca

I got a hot tip that this group had some postings recently (last month
or so) about good routes to Yosemite.  Anyone here save them or
remember what they said?  Here's what I posted to rec.motorcycles &
ba.motorcycles.  Can anyone in this group help me?

+ . . .  Assuming I can get all the camping gear on the bike, what's the
+ best ride from the San Jose area to Yosemite?  I'm looking at my Thomas
+ Bros. California Road Atlas, and I see a twisty mtn. road that goes
+ from E. San Jose to I-5 near Patterson over Mt. Hamilton & Mt. Isabel.
+ It's Hwy 130: Mt. Hamilton Rd.  -> San Antonio Valley Rd. -> Del
+ Puerto Canyon Rd.  Is it worth it?  The alternative is to head north
+ and take 580 over.
+ 
+ I want to take Hwy 41 up through Fish Camp to my destination at
+ Tuolomne Meadows.  It looks like 140 is the most efficient way from
+ I-5 (near Gustine) to Hwy 49 (at Mariposa).  Is 49 ("Gold Country
+ Highway") worth it north of 140?  I'd take Hwy 132 over to 49 to spend
+ some extra time on 49, but 132 looks pretty tedious between I-5 and
+ Waterford through Modesto.  Is my map misleading?
+ 
+ An alternative is Hwy 120 from I-5 to 49, but that's pretty far north
+ considering I want to enter Yosemite from the south.
+ 
+ I've never taken any of these roads before, so any experience you can
+ share would help.  Hit me quick, though, cause I'm leavin Sunday!

-- David

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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markd@locus.com (Mark Dubinsky)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket fine reduction
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 19:59:40 GMT

In article <22256@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
-Has anybody ever contested a speeding ticket to plea for a lower fine.
-I recently was cited for speeding, but there's no way that I would be
-able to fight the ticket and win.  However, I was wondering what the
-prospects would be for contesting it, hoping that the officer woulnd't
-show, but that if he did, plead with the judge for a lower fine.
-I was cited for 68 in a 55, but the road was totally straight, no traffic
-anywhere near me, sunny day, etc.  Therefore, I would plead that because
-of the situation, I shouldn't be fined too heavily.  Does anybody agree?
-Has anybody ever tried this.  I know that if I do fight it for the sole
-purpose of hoping that the officer won't show that the judge may, if he
-wants, raise the fine.  So, I would like to here ant comments, etc.

Sure, if you are found guilty, you can always make a statement before the
judge sentences you.  Has anyone ever tried this plan:

Show up to arraignment to plead not guilty.  Before the judge sets your bail,
ask to have it lowered, perhaps "reminding" the judge that you haven't been
found guilty of anything and you aren't being sentenced, and that the amount
is merely to guarantee your appearance.  Perhaps throw in that you have just
seen several defendants of more serious offenses like drunk driving walk out
with no bail, just on their OR.  Then if you are found guilty at the trial,
tell that judge that you have already posted bail in the case, and then most
likely he will just accept that bail as the fine.
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: tickets and insurance
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:10:21 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)

In article <Bu2IGp.IDA@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>Is this why half of the cars running on the street are uninsured?

Maybe because the government in the State of California can not
think at all and force people to have insurance when they register
a car and have the insurance companies notify the DMV if a person
cancels.

In other words they are not trying to enforce the requirement of
having insurance until it is too late (after an accident).

>If people has accident-free record  or  whatever,  the  high  in-
>surence  fee  might force them to gamble not paying thousand dol-
>lars incurence coverage.

The problem is that the people gambling are not the ones who have
to pay the price since often they have cheap cars.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

Sierra Club Leader	NRA Life Member		Pro-freedom	Pro-choice

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