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From: news@devo.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Internet News)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent
Subject: vt200 emulator for X11
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:40:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sherritt Gordon Ltd

Is there a shareware vt220 emulator like xterm for X11 (for sequent dynix or
ptx). vt100 emulation is nice, but we need a little more.
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From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Direct Connection Thanks
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:58:16 GMT

Hi Folks!

   Just to let you know that I'm following up several suggestions that 
were made.  The most frequent one being - do it in C it isn't that bad.
Well I agree it isn't, but I did want to avoid that avenue if I could.
Other suggestions revolve around keeping the port open.  (wouldn't ya
know it there's a command called keepopen /usr/lbin/keepopen to be 
exact?)  This seems to be the key.  Before when I was doing sttys none
of the parameters were sticking now after running keepopen they seem
to be.  I still have a lot of hints to verify here, but I thought at
least I'd thank you all for the input.  When I get it verified I'll
followup with the details.  And thanks again.  :-)

Steve

         Stephan Rossi               Michigan Technological University
Internet Address: rossi@mtu.edu   (906) 487-2223     Fax: (906) 487-2787
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent,comp.windows.x
From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets)
Subject: Give me your tired old X binaries...
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:27:33 GMT

I am looking for X binaries compiled on a Sequent system under DYNIX 3.0.xx 
I am running X11R5 and it seems that everything I try to compile, BARFS...

So I figure why fix it when I can give up. So If you have neeto kean stuff
compiled and don't mind sending it my way or finding an FTP site, you would make 
me a happy camper. 

PS. I am looking for vtwm or tvtwm in particular.


brians
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent,comp.windows.x
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: Give me your tired old X binaries...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:17:43 GMT

brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:

>I am looking for X binaries compiled on a Sequent system under DYNIX 3.0.xx 
>I am running X11R5 and it seems that everything I try to compile, BARFS...
>
>So I figure why fix it when I can give up. So If you have neeto kean stuff
>compiled and don't mind sending it my way or finding an FTP site, you would
>make 
>me a happy camper. 

You can find a copy of the compiled X11R5 executables/libraries, etc. for 
DYNIX 3.1 via anonymous ftp.  Connect to the host ftp.cso.uiuc.edu and
grab the file ~ftp/uiuc/sequent/X11R5.sequent.tar.Z . 
-- 
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Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent
From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Raw IP on PTX - is there any documentation anywhere?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:07:40 GMT

I posted a while ago about experiences compiling gated under PTX.
Not even the usual suspects (:-) replied...

The hard bit is trying to work out how to send/receive ICMP packets
via the raw IP interface. The STREAMS based TCP/IP seems to be quite
similar to SVR4 (even to the /etc/netconfig file) but is missing the
rawip driver and support for SOCK_RAW in the socket module/library.

The PTX documentation is really helpful. It says that applications
need to use the TLI interface to access raw IP datagrams. Needless
to say, the TLI stuff fails to mention anything at all about raw IP.

Does anyone out there have any advice about this problem? Is there
any relevant documentation. Have Sequent ported rawip to PTX? Does
anyone have any working code for PTX which sends/receives ICMP that
they could send me?

TIA
Chris
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From: sam@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (B. Samuel Blanchard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent
Subject: Re: remotelp protocol
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:29:31 GMT
Organization: Ontario Systems Corp.  Muncie IN

In article <3129@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> sam@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (B. Samuel Blanchard) writes:
>I am trying to use PC/TCP's lpr program to print to a Dynix/ptx 1.4
>system with TCP/IP installed.  There is a demon, remotelp, which is
>running on the Dynix/ptx system.  The log show a valid connection
>
>I will summarize.
>B. Sam Blanchard        sam@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
Directed to read about remotelp in Stevens' UNIX Network Programming.
Also directed to Dynix/ptx command tcpdump.
Expect to find PC/TCP software does not terminate job with NULL, may even
send FIN before final ack (don't expect since PC/TCP also sees "error").
Thanks iant@sequent.com (no name)

Mark Vasoll mentioned earlier problem with enabling network printer via menu.
This does not appear to be me problem but thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent
From: "rick copley" <rick.copley@canrem.com>
Subject: top source for ptx
Reply-To: "rick copley" <rick.copley@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:53:31 EST

I have the source for TOP for PTX (1.3.1 here). I have compiled it on
the S27 (1.3.1) and the S2000 (1.4.0) we have and it runs fine.  I have
been told by the people in Portland the the "top" portion of top is
buggy, so beware ....

Drop me a note if you want the source.

hack();

rick.copley@canrem.com
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From: guy@library.calpoly.edu (Guy Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sequent
Subject: Re: Wanted: Still looking for PTX source for top
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:23:59 GMT
Organization: Polycat/Systems Support - Kennedy Library, Cal Poly SLO

derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) says.......
>As the subject line sez...
>
>I have a binary but it would be nice if I had the source - thanks.
>

Hmm, on a sorta related note... has anyone else had problems with the 
"Configure" script for top3.0 on Dynix (we have 3.0.17.9) (an S27)?  

Specifically, the script gets as far as the "Default Delay" question, then
blows up in my face with an "Unmatched "." error.. now, I know what this 
error means, but for the life of me, I can't find the problem in the 
Configure script... (course, it *is* a csh script, and I am a sh man for
stuff like this.. #:-))... 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.... Thanks.. #:-)


	-Guy

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From: jgh1+@pitt.edu (John G Hardie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: global sections in C?
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:20:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jgh1@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu


Hi.



Would some kind soul take pity on me and please (PLEASE?!) tell
me exactly how to create and map global sections from a C program
under VMS?

I've got an example in FORTRAN, but it makes use of some hidden
file manipulation stuff by using 
	OPEN(...,USEROPEN=MYOPEN...)
which sets up the FAB, RAB and whatever else.  There does not seem
to be an equivalent mechanism in C so I have to do the initialization
myself.  There are a million fields/flags/whatevers to set in this
structure and I can't seem to make it work.

I've tried translating both the fortran version and the MACRO
fragments from the SYSTEM SERVICES manual into C, then tweaking, but
so far it doesn't work.  I've looked through the C Manual, and the C
RTL manual, both of which are silent on the issue.  I am at a loss -
I've searched the orange wall until I'm blue in the face but I remain
clueless.

Please help a poor soul in distress...

Regards,
John
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: zeus@vxcrna.cern.ch
Subject: Re: DECcampus in Norway/Europe 
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:34:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.130016.28986@alf.uib.no>, iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen) writes:
> Early this year DEC/Norway started pushing DECcampus as the way to go for
> research environments. Frequently it is impossible to get money for regular
> software maintenance while lump sums for purchasing something specific is 
> easier. After some thought we ordered 3 DECcampus licenses in mid February.
> The long awaited CDs finally arrived (once so far) in middle of October.
> Yet, already DEC seems to have cold feet and have started mumbling about 
> changing the contents of what the DECcampus contract is going to give us. 
> They are certainly right in that we have never signed a contract explicitly 
> laying out what DECcampus implies, but at least I would be exceedingly unhappy
> if DEC reneges on what they promised us:

If DEC never put what was being purchased on paper the contract starts
to get muddy. 

> 1) A lump sum for each node licensed.
> 2) A smallish sum each year to keep the CDs flowing afterwards. This sum is
>    independent on the number of nodes licensed.
> 3) Unlimited number of simultaneous users (VMS) on each node licensed.
> 4) Access to all products which have a license on the CDs. 

We have a bit of paper that lists this, only problem is that the renewal fee
is not specified.
 
> One very annoying thing is that all DEC is saying to us is that the original
> terms were too generous, but nobody seems to know exactly what that means or
> what the new terms are going to be.

If DEC make a mistake and give something away on terms that are "too
generous" then that is their own look out.

What this sounds like to me is that DEC Norway haven't got a clue what they
are playing at.

Try writing a letter to the next step up in the hierarchy saying how
incompetent your lot are. With a CC to your lot and a hint that such letters
will come in droves until they act up should get the message across.
 
> Have anybody heard anything about DECcampus in Europe? I know that it has been
> available in many countries recently, perhaps somebody know what DEC is going to
> do? At least for our site the future of DECcampus also decides what hardware and
> software we purchase in the future.

We still waiting for our CDs. DEC Germany is a competence free Zone. Mind you
same goes for most of German industry. Gross institutional stagnation because
everyone is on holiday for 6 weeks of the year (plus national hols).


Phill Hallam-Baker


Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen)
Subject: Re: wanted: pixie
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:49:26 EST

In article <Bxx7pK.MGD.1@cs.cmu.edu> bwolen+@cs.cmu.edu (Po-Jen Yang) writes:
>
>Hi!   I am looking for pixie's source code.  any idea?
>

Pixie is a commercial product owned and sold by ZenoGraphics Corporation,
in California, USA.  The also wrote, own, and sell the Mirage & September
graphics products.  They probably have the source code, in order to
support/update/upgrade the products.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: minakawa@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tatsuya Minakawa(visiting scholar))
Subject: font-specifying
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:47:01 GMT

I'm a beginner of Ultrix.
Does anybody know .dwf font file?
I'm now using Vax3200(Ultrix3.0) as a Xserver,and have some questions about
font specifying.
In my Xserver, there are no .snf or .pcf file but .dwf(DECwindow font
format) files in font-directory. And no fonts.dir files in that directory.
I don't know how to treat .dwf file. 
So please teach me about the following point:
(1)how to get .dwf files from .bdf files
(2) how to specify font files.(Can I simply use "xset fp+=...."?)

Thanks in advance

Tatsuya Minakawa(visiting scholar)
email:minakawa@shasta.stanford.edu  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: bwolen+@cs.cmu.edu (Po-Jen Yang)
Subject: wanted: pixie
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:41:37 GMT


Hi!   I am looking for pixie's source code.  any idea?

Thanks in advance

-- 

	

- Bwolen (WeH 4205, x3056)
From: bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Rainbow
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:26:08 GMT
Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC

In article <1992Nov16.155538.874@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, nec10@cus.cam.ac.uk (N.E. Cole) writes:
> I may be given a DEC Rainbow (10 MB HD) soon, are there any patches about to
> allow me to run DOS later than 2.11 on it and to use the enchanced graphics as
> cga etc???

There is a version of DOS 3.1 customized for the Rainbow, but my
understanding from talking with one of the developers of the
Rainbow adaptations is that it isn't just a `few patches'.  You
can't reasonably start with either the Rainbow DOS 2.11 version
nor with an IBM DOS 3.1 version and get a useable system without
a LOT of work, and that assumes that you have the _sources_ to
the DOS [!!].

Unfortunately I don't know where you can get DOS 3.1 for the
Rainbow these days.  At one time you could get it `under the
table' from DEC, and then when DEC dropped the Rainbow they 
licensed the rights to the Rainbow adaptations for DOS 3.1 to
Suitable Solutions, which is now out of the Rainbow business.
It's possible that one or another of the Rainbow user's groups
has picked it up, but I've lost track of them.

As for using the enhanced graphics as CGA, forget it.  It is
possible to run many text-mode IBM-PC applications that write
directly to the PC screen memory on the Rainbow if you have
the `Code Blue' software product, which allocates a frame of
memory at the same address as the IBM video memory and copies
it back and forth;  but the graphics adapters are so far apart
that it's just not practical to write such an intercept program.
(It's not just a question of the memory format and the CPU
cycles;  many PC graphics programs write to the CRT controller
chip, which the Rainbow doesn't have in a compatible form, and
the 8088 CPU doesn't have protected mode so there is no way to
virtualize the references to the hardware).

There are a few graphics programs floating around for the Rainbow,
and there is also a version of Microsoft Windows 3.0 for the
Rainbow (obviously Windows 3.1 isn't possible because it requires
protected mode).  It only runs in monochrome (2-color), but it
has more resolution than the CGA adapter so it isn't quite as
bad as running Windows on a CGA.  It _is_ worthwhile to find one
of the Rainbow 286 accelerator cards (Turbow 286 was one of them,
sold by Suitable Solutions) if you run Windows since it takes
just a bit of the CPU :-).

Unfortunately, since the Rainbow is an orphan machine at this
point, there's not any one place that you can go to get any of
this stuff.  You may be able to find one or another of these
things at one of the used DEC equipment dealers, or at a swap
meet or user group (or from someone on the net or a BBS), but
it's going to take some digging.  If you get the machine I may
be able to pull together some Rainbow software to send you, but
we don't have any Rainbow hardware for sale.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright
From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Rainbow + Minix
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:19:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <WEIRD.92Nov14132917@lesti.hut.fi>, weird@lesti.hut.fi (Petri 'Weird' Hakola) writes:
> So has anybody ever tried to install Minix in Rainbow ?
> 
No, but I do have MP/M running on my DECmate. To get Minix up, you'd have
to be willing to write a lot of drivers. In the case of MP/M, I have a
minimal XIOS that in most cases jumps to the CP/M BIOS. You might be able
to hack up a similar arrangement for Minix, but I'm not sure how you would
prevent Minix from walking all over the memory used by DOS.
-- 

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From: tomk@pyton.DoCS.UU.SE (Tom F Karlsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Venix & 20MBHD on Pro350
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:41:33
Organization: Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University, Sweden.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyton.csd.uu.se
In-reply-to: andreas@euler.fernuni-hagen.de's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:13:57 GMT


In article <Bxyn7A.BE5@fuhainf.fernuni-hagen.de> andreas@euler.fernuni-hagen.de (Andreas Kaulfuss) writes:

> I found out, that only 10 MBs of my drive were mounted. The manual only
> tells about 5MB and 10MB harddrives. But what do I have to do for using
> 20 MB harddrives?

I'm having the same problem running P/OS 2.0.
When I tried to format the HD, only 10Megs was useable (instead of 20).

It could be that our ROM's on the controller board are too old ?
(wrong version)

Didn't you post something about this problem before ?  or was it someone
else ?

/Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: woodbe@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Brian E. Wood)
Subject: DEC 350 Pro
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:35:44 GMT


Hi,

I'm new to this group since I have been looking for info on a DEC Pro 350
computer.  It was found in the possession of an organization I have come to
head when an inventory was taken.

These are the specs:

	10 Meg HD
	unknown FD
	VENIX operating system
	256k RAM
	else unknown

I have posted to comp.sys.dec and was also referred to here, so now I'm posting.
What I would like to know is:

	can I upgrade the HD
	can I upgrade the RAM
	can an Ethernet card be installed
	what can be done about the FD
	what other improvements can be made on the system

If improvements can't be made, is there a place to trade up?

The computer is planned to be used by a small club by no more than 20 members.

I am also subscribing to comp.org.decus to see what other info or knowledge I
can garner.

Any help would be appreciated

Thank you

Brian E. Wood		woodbe@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
From: fgiachi@eis.calstate.edu (Frank Giachino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: Rainbow
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:35:42 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

nec10@cus.cam.ac.uk (N.E. Cole) writes:
> I may be given a DEC Rainbow (10 MB HD) soon, are there any patches about to
> allow me to run DOS later than 2.11 on it and to use the enchanced graphics as
> cga etc???
> 
> Nick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: andreas@euler.fernuni-hagen.de (Andreas Kaulfuss)
Subject: Venix & 20MBHD on Pro350
Organization: FernUniversitaet Hagen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:13:57 GMT


Hi!

Yesterday I installed a ST225 in my Pro 350, using Venix 2.0. First the
stepper moved back and forward for about 5 mins and then the installation
started.
After it was finished, I reboted the Pro and the stepper moved again for 5
mins, then it booted.

I found out, that only 10 MBs of my drive were mounted. The manual only
tells about 5MB and 10MB harddrives. But what do I have to do for using
20 MB harddrives?

Help wanted!

Bye

  Andreas

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: minakawa@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tatsuya Minakawa(visiting scholar))
Subject: font-specifying
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:04:15 GMT
From: nec10@cus.cam.ac.uk (N.E. Cole)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Rainbow
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:55:38 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

I may be given a DEC Rainbow (10 MB HD) soon, are there any patches about to
allow me to run DOS later than 2.11 on it and to use the enchanced graphics as
cga etc???

Nick
From: karell@cs.Helsinki.FI (Esa Karell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: OSF UNIX versions
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:21:25 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland

I read from DEC Finland's magazine that they run
a class for DEC OSF/1 V1.2. Now what is this?
I know that OSF has put out 1.0 and 1.1 but has OSF/2
been renumbered or is it just DEC's internal numbering with
all the add-ons?

DEC OSF/1 V1.2 will run on Alpha (or so the rag claims).

regs,

Esa
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: grusin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL)
Subject: How do you reach DEC employees via email?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:16:15 GMT


I have some friends that work at DEC who have given me email addresses
("person@machine.enet.dec.com"), but my school machine always responds
with "host not known" when I try and email or finger them.

Is there some special way to get through to "enet"?
Is there a special address format I'm not using?
(Don't flame, I'm still learning this stuff).

Thanks, -Mike (grusin@rintintin.colorado.edu)
"I'm surrounded by idiots of my own design" -Joel, MST3000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: woodbe@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Brian E. Wood)
Subject: DEC Pro 350
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:05:01 GMT

Hi, 

I'm new to this group because I'm trying to find out about about a DEC Pro 350
computer.  I am in a group that owns one and we are hoping to upgrade it for 
our use, which only means about 20 people would have access to it.  Our 
DEC has a 10 Meg hard drive, 256k of RAM, and a dual floppy drive of 
undetermined size.  We would like to get a larger hard drive between 100-200
Megs in size, an ethernet card, and increased RAM.

What I would like to know is if it is possible to upgrade this system into something usable, or tradeable.  Or who to get into contact with about these questions.  


Thank you.
Please e-mail me

Brian E. Wood		woodbe@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: jhs@n8ppd001.nt.com (jhs)
Subject: RD42 CD Rom Drives
Reply-To: cmjxs04@nt.com (jhs)
Organization: Northern Telecom,  RTP NC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:00:01 GMT



Has anyone ported xcdplayer to RISCUltrix?  There is a version on
gatekeeper.dec.com, but the source is for SUNOS and the SCSI interface
does not seem portable.

Regards,

john
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