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From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: New X-Force and U.X-Men
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:51:56 GMT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

>  The one thing that might possibly be a sign of some development of
>these plotlines is that Cable/Stryfe's bullet in the most recent X-Men
>was, according to net.reports of preview information, carrying the
>transmode virus.  The only place on Earth to get the transmode virus
>would be from Warlock (unless, of course, he brought some with him
>from the future).


   Waittaminnit. 
  
   Cable's from the future, right? Then he has knowledge of the past, right?

   How do we know he's not following his own agenda? He's made X-Force a combat
team, as he set out to do. Maybe he's just giving the team an "edge".

   Picture this:

   Cable infects Xavier with the transmode virus. Xavier reasons that the only
way to save himself is to bring back Warlock's remains and study them.
Warlock's ashes have scattered, however. So they perform an autopsy on Doug's
body, as he was periodically infected to get samples for a cure. 
   Somehow Xavier brings Doug back to life as Douglock (I like to think
Xavier's infected parts go wild, infecting anything near, i.e. the remaining 
infection in Doug's body), as Cable PLANNED.  Thus Douglock is born, giving
X-Force the muscle it needs to survive so Cable can leave, AFTER curing Xavier.
The future must have a cure to the Transmode Virus.


JCD
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Fwd: Rachel
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:36:02 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Bu6123.HJJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:

>Well, I kind of think dangling plotlines involving a character tend to
>die with the character. Since she is effectively dead (until Marvel
>decides to bring her back as a ratings ploy) I'd say that means all
>the dangling plotlines are now kind of gone.

You *can't* really believe that she's out of the picture, can you?!
They had plans to bring her back before she even left!!
(sorry, my cynicism is showing, but you *don't* get rid of a *major*
 character without some contingency plans)
(unless you really *blow* as a writer and/or editor!)
(of course, Davis will make it *work*!)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew William Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:31:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BuBxEr.G61@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>In article <BuBnMs.3Mu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew William Somers) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.145520.10926@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep9.081154.1@woods.ulowell.edu> lombardif@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>>>}Yes, it's true!!! Spider-Man will soon be joining all the
>>>}X-Groups as it is revealed that he IS, in fact, a Mutant.
>>>
>>>Why should this be a consideration?  They have had non-mutant members.
>>>In fact, one of their field commanders in action has been a non mutant.
>>
>>Actually, even though Storm lost her powers, she was still a mutant.  From
>>what I've read, a mutant is someone born with superhuman(unique) abilities,
>>and no matter what happened, she was still born with those powers.
>>
>>The only non-mutant to be an X-Man was Mimic.
>
>I always thought Mimic was a mutant.  And what about Longshot?  He's an alien,
>not a mutant.
>
  Longshot was a mutant because of his luck powers

>The Walrus
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: The Claremont Files are Coming
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:37:39 GMT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>>balls to make it so. Even if Claremont would have left his plot line for the
>>new X-makers to use, would they have used it? nope.
>>
>Don't be too sure! heh heh heh

>----SCAVENGER

 Good God you're cruel! Why don't you just kill me and get it over with!

(Better yet, print the damn things! The suspense is killing me!)
                                                    ^^^^^^^
JCD
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Excalibur
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:20:03 GMT

In article <67264@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.181051@IASTATE.EDU> mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler) writes:
> 
>>PS any thoughts on the above mentioned _Hell's Angel_ title?
>
>Well, being the x-zombie that i am, i've been picking up all the various
>x-appearances in the Marvel UK titles.  I've been terribly unimpressed, and
>i really hope they all get cancelled in the near future so the pointless
>crossovers will end.  The x-men in Hell's Angel seem to have even less of a
>personality than they do in their own book, and aren't drawn as well.  The
>story has at least been mildly entertaining, though (beats the crud out of
>WarHeads...).
>

The story is that, in the form they are published here in the UK, the stories
come in biweekly segments each of which is a bit shorter than half a US-size
Marvel book. Thus, for the US monthly version, Marvel put in a few pages of
guest-starring mutants or whoever is hot at the moment which has as little to
do with the story as possible just to pad out the issue. That's where you're
even-worse-than-Lobdell X-Men come from.

Mike
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Scott Lobdell is still a moron...X-Men 294 spoilers
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 09:16:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes:

>OK...I'm going to write this as I'm reading X-Men #294.
>Page 3, panel 2: Security parameter?  Ex-squeeze me?  Thats perimeter, you
>    moron!


All those vowels start looking alike after awhile when you're a kewl
[sic] comic writer.

>Page 6, panel 5: Hmmm...here's this Betsy thread again...and Jean knows all
>    about it!  Uh oh...

All those women start looking alike after a while, just like any other
prop.

>Page 9 Proof that Scott Lobdell can handle continuity!  He remembered stuff
>    from last issue!

Issue-smissue.  We'll just put in another kewl trading card.  

>Page 10, Hmmm...writing Gambit as a pushy guy?  Very non-90s.
>Hmmm...the retrun of the Four Horsemen?  Ominous

So....what'cha think of Calibuff?

I could say I was disappointed...but that would mean I was expecting
something good.  Instead I got Cable (AAARRGGGHH) and X-Force.  I guess
will all the kewl [sic of it all] stuff in there they couldn't fit a
plot and had to go with a patented Marvel Plot Substitute (tm -- all
rights reserved -- coming soon on a trading card near you).

::sigh::

Sue

(But Oz Squad #3 came out...there is hope.)

-- 
-----------------
Sue Clark
clark@netcom.com
From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable and X-Ecutioner's Song
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:37:17 GMT
Reply-To: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: nova@doc.cc.utexas.edu

Is Cable Nathan Summers???  It sure would explain a lot of things...  Including
 where he got the transmode virus.  Wasn't Nathan infected with the transmode
 virus and sent to the future for treatment in X-Factor 68?  That would explain
 his cybernetic eye and arm (and leg, too, tho there is a lot of conflicting
 art on that).  That is, of course, assuming that it was actually Cable that 
shot Professor X.

IMHO, it wasn't.  We know Stryfe looks exactly like Cable.  We know that Stryfe
hates Cable.  We know that Stryfe scorns Professor X's beliefs and methods. Put
 it all together and what do you get?  Stryfe is pretending to be Cable in 
order to not only take out Professor X, but to sow hate and discontent among 
the various X-groups.  Logical, no?  Furthermore, it seems as if Stryfe is 
going after Apocalypse.  Also logical:  Apocalypse, once the X-Teams are out of the way, is Stryfe's biggest problem.  I hadn't noticed the resemblance 
between the artifacts (in Cable #1) and Apocalypse until I read this net, but I must admit that it's there.

Which leaves us with:  Who is Stryfe?  Is he a clone of Cable?  Is _he_ Nathan Summers???  Is he Cable from a different time, or a different timeline, or a 
different dimension?  And what's going to happen when Kane & Cable team up to 
go after Stryfe in Cable #2?  I hope they kick butt!!

Well, whatever happens, the X-World is going to be shaken, stirred, put through the wringer, and hung out to dry.  It'll never be the same.  Hey, maybe we'll have a "Professor-lock"!!

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"We ask the stars `Why?'
 We question our lot...
 The heavens open wide
 And reply, `Why not?'"
	--Henry "Beast" McCoy
_______________________________________________________________________________



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From: quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu (Douglas E. Quale)
Subject: Re: Why Claremont Left (was Re: Fwd: Rachel)
Organization: Undergraduate Projects Lab, UW Madison
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:07:12 GMT

You're teasing, right?  Please tell us!

-- 
Doug Quale
quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: (More) proof Cable is Nathan Summers (PLOT SPOILERS!)
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:26:45 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>>>>      Well, as if you needed it, here's some semi-concrete proof that Cable 
>>>>   is Nathan Summers, in one form or another....

>>>>      WARNING:  I give out a (rough) plotline for the X-cutioners song
>>>>                storyline. No secrets, but if you don't want it get out now

>>>>                (ooh, what a dangler!)














>>>But they're not all related, at least not by genetic means... Scott, Havok, 
>>>Cable and Stryfe could be, if the latter two are actually Nathan Summers in 
>>>one form or another, but Jean is merely Scott's intended... there's no 
>>>genetic connection there... So, am I confused, or missing something obvious??

>>Nathan's mother (Madelyne sp?) was a clone of Jean. So she's as much of a
>>genetic match as Scott, and more of one than Alex!


>But that's not my point.  If Cable (and Stryfe) are somehow related to Scott 
>Summers, then the Summers genes are in all four men (Havok being a brother.)
>Jean, on the other hand, is not genetically linked to the Summers, but 
>rather to the son,... so is it that any Summers or Grey could enter, or what?



        Did any of you ever stop to think that it WASN'T JEAN that was sucked 
                                                         ^^^^
into the Vortex, but a CERTAIN PASSENGER she may be carrying by the name of 
                               ^^^^^^^^^                                 
RACHAEL? SHE would SURELY have Summers' DNA, RNA, and what-not. I did hear a 
^^^^^^^
while back about Jean being pregnant (would explain all these bad mood swings
she's been having, wouldn't it?). And right now, it's about the only thing that
would make sense. 
 
        (And sorry about all the emphasis on key words. I get carried away
every once in awhile.)

        JCD




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From: whijv2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (WHITAKER JASON)
Subject: Favorites
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:01:13 GMT


Characters : WOLVERINE, Gambit, Archangel(not the old one)
             Shatterstar and Cable

Writers: Anyone who has done at least 1 Wolverine

Pencils: Silvestri!!!!!!!

Inks: None, they are all bad and give good pencillers heart problems
      Unless of course they they ink their own work.:)

Storylines: Anything with Wolverine!!!!!!!

Pet Hates: MOJO!!!!!! Stories involving this lard bucket are all rubbish.



Thank you.

Any disputes, don't hesitate to flame }:>



The Sneaky One

whijv2@cspyr1.adfa.oz.au
Hmm, am I narrow minded?:)
From: lazarus@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Sara Grey; was Re: The new X-Force and U.X-Men
Date: 13 Sep 1992 00:58:06 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep13.001711.15990@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <18s4eaINN99d@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>>>Was Sara herself ever found, or is this still dangling?
>>I thought that her body was found in the wreckage.  Remember, Nanny's tactics 
>>were, sadly, to kill the parents, thus making the children orphans...
>
>What issue was this in?  I'd like to clear it off the X-Factor dangler list....
>(and where are the other dangler lists, anyway?  I've posted the X-Factor
>one a number of times since seeing any of the others, and I've hardly been
>posting it often....)

AAARGGH!  This means I gotta go home and dig out that issue, doesn't it?!?  Ah,
well, there are WORSE fates.  I'll see if I can find it... and I wouldn't be
suprised if it turns up in an issue of Uncanny X-Men.  (I seem to remember some
sort of cross-over around that time... I think all this was pre-Inferno (?).)

>--
>"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
>the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
>disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler
>
>Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
>     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
In one week the 'Cats go hunting for Grizzlies...
"I don't see why I'm tempting fate... it seems to have it in for me already..."
	--  Me
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who was the Traitor?
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:00:06 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <195ejmINN22j@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3fe@e260-4d.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.164439.2414@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>>sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois) writes:
>>
>>>What about the fact that Bishop never heard of himself mentioned in the past
>>>while he was being taught XSE doctrine?
>>
>>Maybe he's from an *alternate* future.
>
>Exactly.  If he was from an alternate future, then he cannot affect his past
>because he is in an alternate timeline.  For him to affect his own time,
>Bishop would have to end up in HIS past.  NOT a past that doesn't lead to his
>"future".  I used the reasoning of Bishop never hearing of himself as reasons
>for him not being the traitor in an earlier thread about this same thing.

Bishop *IS* from an alternate future.  We already know that!  That's how
time travel works in Marvel:  if you travel into the past, you create
a new reality, and you go to THAT reality, not the one you started out
in.  That's why Phoenix and the Guardians of the Galaxy are from
alternate futures as well.  In these two examples, we already know the
divergence point for their realities and the real one.  The main divergence
for Bishop, outside of his being there, will probably turn out to be the
absence of a traitor.  Typical cheesy resolution.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:07:19 EDT
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: (More) proof Cable is Nathan Summers (PLOT SPOILER)

      Well, as if you needed it, here's some semi-concrete proof that Cable is
   Nathan Summers, in one form or another....

      WARNING:  I give out a (rough) plotline for the X-cutioners song
                storyline. No secrets, but if you don't want it get out now

                (ooh, what a dangler!)
























          O.K. maybe you've all heard this but:

          1) Apocalypse takes Cyclops and Marvel Woman to a secret vortex on
             the moon. (Ooh!)

          2) Stryfe follows him to the moon

          3) Cable and everyone else, follows Stryfe to the moon (don't ask
             me how)

          4) The climax comes inside the vortex (does it ever :) ) BUT

             - The only ones who are able to go into the vortex are:
               Cyclops, Marvel Woman, Stryfe, Cable and Havok! (Hmmmm..)

          5) So what do these 5 have in common?  Could it be......

             SATAN ?!?    No, maybe......

             They're all related?  Maybe! Tune in next week......
-------
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  Mark Rieker   MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu   Go Atlanta Braves!
                                       1991 National League Champions!!
  We are Penn State

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  a huge deficit" - Dan Quayle
From: MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: favorites
Date: 9 Sep 1992 02:21:15 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <EefI8jC00iUxI8_M8E@andrew.cmu.edu>
"Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 
>Character:  Rachel Summers (before Excalibur), Shadowcat, Collossus
>Art: tie - Lee-Adams
>Storyline: In Uncanny, my favorite issue was the tri-fold cover, where
>the X-Men found Xavier and Rogue and Magneto were together.
>Cover:  X-Men Annual number nine (Storm in Asgard), tri-fold)
>
>Just shooting the breeze
 
Remembering better days is all that's left when it comes to the
X-men.
 
Characters:  Kitty Pryde and Nightcrawler.  Thank God they're
     safely in Alan Davis' hands again, and beyond the control of
     Harras and Lobdell (one can only hope).
Art:  It has to be a toss up between John Byrne (remember that
     far back?) and Jim Lee.  Alan Davis did a couple of good
     issues, too, and at least one annual.
Cover:  Issue #275, with the tri-fold cover.
Story:  The same, surprisingly enough.  It was the beginning of
     the end for Claremont, and I think it was some of his best
     stuff.  Miss ya, Chris.
 
"If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong."
-- mason hart, rice u.
From: gt6930a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEHDE,KEVIN VAL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:43:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep11.024532.8407@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>>right?  Well, how does the average "everyday" person in the Marvel Universe
>>know who's a mutant and who's not?  How is Joe Schmoe on the corner supposed
>>to know that Spider-Man, for example, got his powers from being bitten and

During the Cosmic-Powered Spidey storyline, Magneto and the others thought 
that mutants had a single mutation, so the diversity of Spidey's original 
powers could not be a mutation, and his Cap Universe powers were not mutant
manifestations either.  Evidently those knowledgeable of the form that
the mutations that mutants have take know the difference.

Extra bonus: Door prize goes to anyone who can figure out that last sentence
and explain it to me and send me a re-write that would say the same thing, 
only better.


-- 
Kevin Lehde
Lover of cats, the stage, the female form, Toonces K. Templeton, 
the Incredible Hulk, college football (as a sport), Meloni, volleyball,
the Braves, Digger, God, sleeping in, and a rollicking good time.
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From: elf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Paolo Fornasiero 273503/IL)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Rachel
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:33:11 GMT

Rachel is not dead. The Phoenix force said that she was like a child
and needed time for curing. It's just the same thing that happened to
Jean Grey. 
And for the Saturnine, Sat-yr-nine and Courtney Ross thing, I really don't
see all these problems:
Sat-yr-9 escaped from the Capitain UK universe using Widget. It was it that 
transported that man with the (I don't know the word in English but in
Italian is scolapasta) on his head in the room of Sat-yr-9 so she could
enter <our universe> and 1) kill Courtney Ross
		     or  2) send Courtney Ross in Sat-yr-9 universe to take
her place.
I haven't read #55 yet so I can't say anything about it. 
Finally I have a question on X-MEN.
What's the real reason for the Chris Claremont leaving?
Thanx for reading.
				Paolo 

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From: cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:04:13 GMT
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In article <1992Sep10.202806.25388@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>
>-----SCAVENGER
>
>THE CLAREMONT FILES ARE COMING
>
when when When WHen WHEn WHEN WHEEEEEEEN!
I want them I need them and I am the keeper of the cheese
Later

-- 
"Women can't live with them... pass the beer nuts" -Norm (Cheers)
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Why Claremont Left (was Re: Fwd: Rachel)
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Sep8.204920.3118@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes...
>In article <Bu96JB.4vG@dei.unipd.it> elf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Paolo Fornasiero 273503/IL) writes:
>One thing of note, If you get a chance, get Claremont to tell you what his plans
>for the storylines following the creation of the new series.  It's wonderful
>sounding(esp. considering the crap that we got to see).  I'll post it if there's interest.

Tell us!
Please tell us.

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