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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Great "black" comics characters
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:56:37 GMT

     Recently a poster talked about Shadowman, and the fact that he is
not a cardboard character or a "black" stereotype. I thought about it for
a minute... aren't the best "black" characters the ones you notice and
like and, to borrow a phrase, judged by the content of their character 
instead of the color of their skin.

     Just last Friday I picked up this reprint book of Iron Man stories.
I used to collet the title years ago, and always recognised Iron Man as one
of the lesser loved stars of the Marvel universe who always had consistently
good writing, and good art. Anyways, I was halfway through "The Power Of
Iron Man" (reprints from IM 120's), that I realized that Rhodey, like 
Shadowman, was a great character and a real noble guy who always helped
out his boss (Tony) and even donned the golden armor for him. And, to 
top it all off, he isn't doesn't fit the "black" stereotype that all too
often we complain about in 1970's comics. I love Rhodey's character.

     Another neat "black" character was the Black Panther. Unlike other
Marvel "black" characters like the Black Goliath or the Black Falcon,
he didn't grow up in a ghetto. He was an African King who had his own
country and superpowers to boot. I always loved reading the original
FF appearances of some of this sometimes forgotten star of the Marvel Universe.
The Black Panther is a pretty heroic guy... who just happens to be
"black". Needless to say, I also love the Black Panther's character.

(Boyz in the Hood filmmaker John Singleton is purported to be interested in
 making a movie of the Panther and even wears a Black Panther baseball hat)


    In conclusion, IMHO, a hero who happens to be black is no more important
than a hero with red hair (like Phoenix). And that is my two cents.



-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Nida", Darth Vader
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JOHN BYRNE CALLS PETER DAVID OUT, SHOWDOWN AT HIGH NOON
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:07:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <71235@cup.portal.com> <rawdon.723928569@cs.wisc.edu>

I did a column about Usenet two years ago.  You must have blinked.

PAD
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:00:28 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

> 
> 
> Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
> called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid, it
> was used among in movie, television shows....
> 
> Get real! *grinnning*

... Funny, I've called that number, and talked to the person on the other 
end, too!

Guess it was a ghost in the machine, but it sure sounded like an 
operator.

Namaste, 
Elizabeth
From: efox@unssun.nevada.edu (Eric Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice League new lineup?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:22:11 GMT
Reply-To: efox@unssun.UUCP (Eric Fox)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <BzBD6K.68x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>
>Is the JLA being revamped again?  Will it be by the same creative
>team?   Which characters will be featured?
>
>Tom

Geez, I hope so...(that is, I hope it will be revamped!)

I've only heard vague comments about its "revamping"--mostly in relation to
what happened in the Doomsday storyline (Superman "dead", Blue Beetle comatose
or whatever he is)....I suspect it will either be a mild revamping or they
will soon come out with a big publicity thing about the "All-New and Improved
Justice League!!!!!"

I can only hope the creative team will be changed and different characters 
featured...

Wait a minute...now that I think about it, I DO remember reading something aboutthe new League--something about it being a place for the new rising stars of
DC (Black Condor and the Ray come to mind) or something like that..

Anyhoo, IMHO, the JL has been going downhill ever since Maguire left and the
"Breakdowns" crap...

				-Fox-
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:19:47 -0500 
From: "Joe Nathan Haralson, II" <jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PAD, Sex AND Nudity .... (Re: Writers vs Artists)
  <15DEC199221255945@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>
	<71831@cup.portal.com>
Distribution: world

I am going out of town for a month, but I am interested on hearing PAD's
response on the writer/artist conversation.  Could someone mail me a
copy?

Thanks

Joe II
jh20@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: Jews for Melkor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:58:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.173935.1361@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>
>My favorite mystery surrounds "The Dark", the thing/entity that Lucifer
>reports came through Hell (where FROM?) and eventually led to the
>formation of the Triumverate (in SOM).  Given that Lucifer is
>reportedly the second most powerful being in all creation, I'd like
>to know what the heck it was that could take him on like this...

Not a mystery, and not Gaiman's. The last issue of the Swamp
Thing "American Gothic" story had all of DC's mystical heroes
taking on this huge, powerful, black slug-like thing. They all
got trashed (including the then-powerful Specter). The thing
turned out to be a thumb on a giant black hand...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"We all have faults, and mine is being wicked."
                --- The Duke of Coffin Castle
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:07:50 GMT

In article <damatt01.724364033@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> damatt01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David A. Mattingly) writes:
>
>>Anyone want to lay odds on whether or not he's building up to explaining 
>>the White Event in the pages of Quasar?
>
>
>I thought that had already been explained away: the Star Brand created the
>White Event when the old man tried to dump it into an asteroid. Later, it
>was revealed that the Star Brand even created itself (by being so powerful,
>it went back into time).
>
>
I thought the Star Brand was created when a fraction of the universe imploded
at the Big Bang, and this energy solidified into the Star Brand.  This
information, if related by the Old Man, is suspect, but I think it was  
actually Kevin Connel Jr.  Thus, the Star Brand is a fraction of all the 
possibilities inherent in the Universe. 

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:36:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:

> 
> Would it be asking too much for some of the names of these people?

It would probably not be too ethical for him to name drop.

But one might imagine Rob L. not being entirely pleased at
comments here.  Of course I think he is one whose work could GREATLY
benefit by paying attention to even the harshest criticism.

Then again, he is making a great deal of money, and improving his
art may not be a high priority.

Still, taking harsh criticism is not an easy thing to do, and 
there is probably very little reason to have much respect for
the typical opinion in this group.  After all, if y'all knew
anything about writing or art, you would read and view other things...

I am joking again, of course, as I know comparatively little about writing or
art myself.

doug 
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Frag Marvel and DC
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:35:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec2.191425.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

>No. I just think that Jack Kirby should own what BELONGS to him in the first
>place. The Charlton characters should belong to their creators in the same
>way that American Flagg! belongs to Howard Chaykin or Nexus belongs to
>Rude and Baron, even thogh First Comics has died.
>
Yes, but the point is that it doesn't belong to him, anymore than Superman
BELONGS to Siegel and Shuster - they all SOLD their products to DC. They
sold them for what they and DC agreed they were worth at the time. They
sold them willingly. Would you sell a load of comics to a comic shop and then,
20 years later, walk back in and demand them back when they'd increased in
sale price? Because that's equivalent to what you're demanding here.

Nobody's saying you shouldn't consider comics as 'art' instead of 'just'
product, *but* when art is comissioned by and paid for by somebody else,
you can't then demand to take back the art and try and make more money
off it.

Mike (who's probably going to regret getting involved in this thread)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Sandman: More musings on Destruction
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:13:22 GMT

Another random thought: We all seem to agree that Destruction is
living on a Greek island. He may have been there for a while
(perhaps several centuries).

Funny how many wars have been starting in that part of the world.
The Balkans have long been notorious for "producing more history
than they can consume locally". WWI, for example, started with a
Balkan explosion. The fertile crescent has also been a breeding
ground for conflict (Israel, Lebanon, etc., etc., etc.). Could
this be a result (perhaps unintentional) of Destruction's
proximity?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:38:51 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec13.044036.25340@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.211146.3161@dorsai.com> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
>>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"

>>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>>double standard, no?

>What double standard?
>Hello?  Hello?  Any oppressed caucasians out there?  No?  Didn't think so.

Yeah, actually. Women.

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: c60b-3fe@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (???)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:00:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec11.211146.3161@dorsai.com> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>: >
>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
>: 
>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>double standard, no?

  I don't know about that, though it would be completely ridiculous.  Whites
already _have_ power.  Black's have been enslaved, discriminated against,
oppressed, ... (all the stuff you've heard a million times).  Black Power
is a call to have Black People raise to a position of true equality with
whites, by helping their own to move up as opposed to helping the ones that
are holding them down.  No more, no less.
  This isn't really a discussion I want to get into, but I thought it was
worth mentioning.

Mikel B.
-- 
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: LNH: Hello?  Anybody out there?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:29:35 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <168BE107BD.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>Manifesting a test tube full of caffeine, Organic Lass rolls up her sleeves
>and prepares to engage in a night-long battle against both
>P.R.O.C.R.A.S.T.I.N.A.T.I.O.N and the evil D.E.A.D.L.I.N.E.
>The night will be long, but tomorrow she must face the wrath of the Legion
>of Evil Neurobiology Professors and their secret weapon, the Final Exam (tm).
>Will she survive?  Will she remain sane?  Is she sane now?  Tune in tomorrow
>and find out...
> 
Meanwhile, somewhere at UNH, Pliable Lad sleeps till noon...
	--MikE...hey, *I'm* going to do it!


-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Newbies
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:02:28 GMT

In <1girolINNmqa@gap.caltech.edu> morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett) writes:
>A quick note.
>
>Usenet is not a 'bboard'.

"Usenet is Frosty the Snowman comitting suicide with a flamethrower."

                        -- James 'Kibo' Parry

                           "Usenet is not a right."
                                                     "Usenet is a right, a
                                                      left, a jab, and a sharp
                                                      uppercut to the jaw. The
                                                      postman hits!  You have
                                                      new mail."

                                           -- Ed Vielmetti & Chip Salzenberg

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: E-mail address for DC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:44:18 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

I found it!  This is the e-mail address for DC:
		dccomics@mcimail.com
Go nuts, gang. :)
	--MikE....Duck, DC, duck.

-- 
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He's got radioactive blood...		|Pliable Lad of the LNH
To him, life is just one big Play-doh,	|Read Alt.Comics.LNH!
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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:01:34 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <3k=r-4c@lynx.unm.edu>, djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young) writes:
> Ok Here's my list for favorite writers:  But remember that I'm a super
> hero comic fan and I think that most of the quality writers in comics 
> are with the lesser known companies.  If only because the don't get to 
> experiment as much under a superhero format.
> 
> 5.  JIM SHOOTER:  This guy can just plain write. I enjoyed the Secret Wars
> 	and have seen some other promising work from him in Valiant.
> 
> 4.  ROGER STERN:  Liked his stint on the Avengers, especially the Vision
> 	domination series.
> 
> 3.  STEVE ENGLEHART:  This guy has written a lot of stuff I like.  Silver
> 	Surfer, Vision/Scarlett Witch LS and I think Squadron Supreme LS.
> 	don't hold me to it though.
> 
> 2.  FABIAN NICIEZA:  One of my favorites.  I like the New Warriors, X-Force
> 	and his earlier work.
> 
> 1.  WALT SIMONSON:  His writing for Thor between 337-382 was by for the 
> 	most incredible plotline that I have read.  It is amazing how tigh
> 	t this books are.  I can still read them one after another.  You
> 	try and do that with other series of comics.
> 
> Honorable Mention:  Chris Claremont:  He would probably be higher but I became
> 	an X-fan to late and couldn't catch up with his plots.

	What is this crap being crossposted to ALT.COMICS.LNH!?

	Is this a joke!?

	Well if you want it to go on we could talk LNH stuff here!! 

	My favorite writers are ...

	David Henry
	Dave Van Domelen
	Todd Koggutt
	Jeff Barnes
	Mark Friedman 
	Martin Phipps (sp?)
	Harith Jalmeel whatever
	uplink (Thom Shririevbersheven something or other!)
	and all the other writers that write for LNH!  
	You are all doing a great job and well 
	I think we have proven why the Comic biz is in the state it is!  :)

					wReam...

P.S.  :)
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - Old Gods
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:07:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

Oh, Lance, Neil says: Look up Capax in a big dictionary. And you were right
about Tamaris, but it was meant to be Taramis (the printing was screwed:
Del's eyes are supposed to be different colours in this issue, and all her
uncoloured word balloons are wrong). 

> ObReminder: Don't forget to write quality Sandletters to DC this month.
> Let the sterling work of Elizabeth Holden (in issue #44) serve as an example. 

With the additional benefit that Neil is doing the next lettercol: Lisa 
Aufenanger has gone, so we won't be subjected to any more heaps of
"humourless and self-righteous" letters. The adjectives are Neil's: it was not
his idea to publish them, nor was he consulted.

So - be interesting! |-)

On the library front, Neil is shelving stuff in his basement library just
before Christmas. I envy his helpers.

Tanaqui
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From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:00:23 GMT

In article <71830@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
)I once had a few fellow pros over at my house, and I mentioned Usenet to
)them.  They were interested in seeing it.  So I logged on and started
)running through various headers.  Naturally the people involved wanted
)to read about those headers that applied directly to their own work.
 
)The threads were, almost uniformly, vicious, sniping, mean-spirited and
)arrogant.  
)PAD

	Ah, the good old days...  :-|


-- 
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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: The Ruthless Squids of the High Seas.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:21:46 GMT


I may have created a mosnter here and it's really not anything I consider
important. Once more onto the beach...

In <1992Dec16.044749.2241@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:

>  We don't always see Death on the scene when someone dies, even now
>that Neil has definitely thought of her.  We don't see her when the
>topless club blows up (nor do we see Destruction, who is certainly 
>present in Attribute).  

The point I originally was trying to make is that it's Rainie's story
and she seems to die. We tend to see Death appear in these circumstances. 
(We really don't have enough samples to make a correlation, so it's still
speculation.) She's there, but she doesn't take Rainie away as she does
for Bernie or Emperor Norton. This may or may not be significant as has
been discussed. 

>Off the top of my head, I'd guess that she 
>doesn't personally take each dead person's soul, just as Destruction 
>isn't personally present whenever I tear up a piece of paper, or 
>Dream doesn't personally conduct each of my dreams.

Somewhere (and I'd have to look to find it) there is something to the
effect that we all meet Death twice. Once before we're born (and we
rarely remember this) and when we die. So I'd say Death shows up for
everyone. Death is unique because while we have many dreams, desires,
etc., we have only one death. (Unless we're a comic book hero.)

On the other hand, I don't know if that is true for the other Endless. 
Destiny may be reading a very small footnote about this post and that
you are reading it now. Does Desire manufacture all our wants or just
some of them? Does Despair have a mirror placed in the classrooms where I
took some of my final exams? I dunno. I think they have access to our
despair, desire, and occasional delirium, but like Dream only take part
directly once in awhile.

Destruction seems to have been absent from his post for the last 300 years
so I wouldn't expect to see him at all.

>  OTOH, Destruction did tell Orpheus that he could see Death simply
>by dying.  Orpheus is a member of her family, though, and presumably
>she does handle all of them personally.

This sorta raises a qustion. Does a member of the Endless know when his
or her siblings are about? Would Death know that Desire was talking to
Tiffany in the parking lot? I'd argue that Death (probably several of 
her) was there. We know that Dream could see Death as she went on her
rounds in #8, but this may only because she invited him along.  

It really isn't an important question. Just curious.

---------------------------
 Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Well, I thought you were cute, no matter what 
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  that computer person wrote. Now that you don't
  Featuring a character   |  need it anymore, could I have your top hat for my
  created by Neil Gaiman  |  collection?" _Mr Peanut: The High Cost of Dancing_
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Supergrit. (was: JOHN BYRNE CALLS PETER DAVID OUT, SHOWDOWN AT HIGH NOON)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 08:11:20 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team
Distribution: na

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

> But all he said, at the end of a letter that was mostly about something
> else, was, "Does anyone out there besides Peter David think that
> Superman is going to return any different than he was before?" 

I'm sure that this has all been hashed out before, but I'd be damned
surprised if "Superman" doesn't at least dance around the edge of the
abyss for a few issues after the character is revived.  If you're going
to play to the market you might as well go all the way, right?

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)