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From: SF1MSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Tofu bacon recipe?
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:36:02 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Could someone please post or forward a copy of the tofu bacon recipe that was
posted several weeks ago.  I would greatly appreciate it.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
SEAN  (sf1msanu@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu)
From: keisu@sics.se (Torbj|rn Keisu)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What's to eat in Finland/Sweden?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:41:46 GMT
	<1992Apr3.231352.7882@stat.wisc.edu>
	<1992Apr11.172401.2498@rtf.bt.co.uk>
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

A quick look into the yellow pages ---- hmm about 10 places listed, some
of them (I think) has vegan food as well. Besides these pure vegetarian
restaurants many others has at least some vegetarian dish (maybe ovo-lacto).

It has grown to be a much bigger thing in Sweden as well, so many restaurants
have a veg. alternative for bussiness lunch as well. 

Prices .... hmm in general eating out in Sweden is expensive. I have no
idea about these veg. ones. An ordinary business lunch will cost you 
about 5 pounds.

/tk
From: bf957@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Barry H. Rodin)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Passover Recipees for vegans
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:21:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.162138.6073
Reply-To: bf957@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Barry H. Rodin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, jeffrey@cc.gatech.edu (Jeffrey Steinberg) says:

>I am kinda worried about what to do now that passover is coming up.
>
>Vegtables and matzoh are the only things I can think of that are pasadech.
>
>Is there anyone out there with a menu/recipees for a nutricious and tasty 
>passover holiday??  If so, please post your recipees/menu to rec.food.recipees
>
>Shalom,
>
>Jeffrey
>
>
>
Try spaghetti squash (a vegatable).
It looks and tastes a little like regular spaghetti
(which may not be used on Passover).
Try it with ketchup or margarine.
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Estimating Risk and Reductions in Risk
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: osnome.RIGG.92Apr7124003
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca's message of 7 Apr 92 09:38:31 GMT

In article <altar.702639511@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:

   [Less is better and none is best discussion deleted]

Your smoking analogy is quite telling.  Perhaps smoking 1 cigaretteper
day(/or weekor month) is equivalent to eating meat.  However, many
folks are quite happy to pay that price for the enjoyment of that one
cigarette. I know manywell educated people that will occasionally have
a cigaretteat the bar or a poker game or some other situation.  They
are quite aware that smoking is not good for them. However, they have
considered the benefits and costs and decided to smoke a little
anyway.

Optimal health is not the only consideration in complex situations.

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey,,,)
Subject: Re: Multiple gestations and meat consumption
Originator: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:43:24 GMT

From article <1992Apr6.071511.29885@rtf.bt.co.uk>, by traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub):
> In article <9204022050.AA00951@auroch.HQ.Ileaf.COM> writer2@auroch.HQ.Ileaf.COM (RDM Doc Contractor [Marjorie Peskin]) writes:
>>I am expecting twins and have been a lacto-ovo for about 7 years.  Recently
   ...
>>was not getting enough protein and strongly suggested that I eat some
>>meat whilst pregnant.  
>>
> If protein *really* is your problem (and this could be tested by checking
> your nitrogen levels, has anyone done this?), then just consume more TVP!
> TVP has a higher protein concentration than meat, with far less fat

Actually, tofu is also great for this purpose, and doesn't taste 
like fake meat (which because I don't like meat, I hate!!). 
Also legumes are great.  But if you eat eggs and 
milk then I can't see what the problem would be.  There isn't any
protein in meat that can't be replaced by a careful selection of
vegetarian foods.  Junk food vegetarianism isn't healthy of course,
however if you're careful about it, and make sure you do get all
the minerals, vitamins, and protein you need then it's a good deal
healthier than omnivorism.  

You'd probably even do some damage by worrying about
having to eat meat!  Stress is pretty harmful to the body, and anything
harmful to you is probably harmful to the babies.

Cathy.
(Ta Warren for lending me the account!!)  
.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recepies
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:07:54 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr15.020333.13682@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Kamchatka Charlie writes:
[stuff deleted]

I  have  taken  this  rant  to  e-mail  to  save  everybody else. If anyone
*really*  thinks  there  was actually any content in this discussion I will
post the "information" if they require it.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:07:48 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr10.204659.15183@bmw.mayo.edu>, mcmahon@mayo.edu (Eileen McMahon (Grad Student) ) writes:
[Traub writes:]
> > If  you  want  to suffer from a protein deficiency stop eating. This is the
> > only  easy  way  to  become  protein  deficient.  Even  a diet of chocolate
> > biscuits and potato crisps would provide you with sufficient protein.
> 
> I for one am glad to hear this since much of my diet consists of things like cookies (a.k.a. biscuits) while at school.  Since becoming a "lacto" several years ago, I have sometimes wondered about my protein intake.

However, you still might not be getting all the nutrients you need,
for example the B vitamins.  Please eat a well-balanced diet.
Whole wheat bread and fresh fruits should be easy to find and store
anywhere, just as one example.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Dairy Farms and Cows
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:46:42 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr16.225722.19810@news.Hawaii.Edu> bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.114427.3968@bb1t.monsanto.com> rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>>
>>And at about 15 months or so they can start breeding them .
>>If she gets pregnant around that time, she'll calve back at around 24
>>months. Then she can join the milking herd.  Milk production will usually
>>go about 300 days or so, at which point production drops (obviously this
>>can depend on the cow) and she gets dried off. About 60 days after that
>>first calving, you can start looking for heats and safely start breeding
>>her again.
>	That is damn near a constant state of pregnancy.
>
>	Rough on the ole Body I would say.
>
>	Who was the first brave sole that looked over at a cow
>	and decide to go have a drink of that?
>
>
Brave soul? I could think of a lot of things to call this "mythical
person", but they probably shouldn't be aired (and "brave soul" is not
one of them)!

On a serious note I think we should get this pregnancy a year bit
in the FAQ, I get very bored with rec.food.veg posters who claim
they know different and the topic keeps coming up every few months.

If you want to be vegetarian, fine, that's great by me, but don't
delude yourself as to the reality of the situation.



-- 
   "This isn't an argument, you're just contradicting me!"  "No I'm not."
   
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:43:04 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <N6V3iB2w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>wirthc@portnoy.sdsc.edu (Colleen Wirth) writes:
>> In article <odsW2c200WC0MLPUtC@andrew.cmu.edu> (David F. McWade) writes:
>>
>> >Then I was told that Ben & Jerry's was a free-range farm and treated its
>> >cows very nicely, so it (therefore) would not be hypocritical.
>>
>> I thought this was covered here just a couple of days ago, but it may have
>> been on "misc.rural." To make ice cream, one needs milk. There are two ways
>> to keep a cow milking--inject her with hormones, or get her pregnant.
>
>Mammals that have had one or more babies produce milk to feed the baby.
>When the youngling grows up the milk stops because the baby is weaned. It
>seems to me that if you keep milking the mother, her body will continue to
>produce milk to replace what is used to feed the baby or milked.
>
In  some  cases  women  can breastfeed for four years, maybe longer if they
wanted  to.  Other women have difficulties feeding for six months even. The
situation  is  the  same  with  cows,  some can be milked for years, others
cannot.

Unfortunately  businesses  don't run that way. If a cow cannot produce milk
she is out.  To ensure continuous production the cows are "put to the bull"
approximately once a year.

Most  mammals  require  at  least one pregnancy to start lactating as well,
where do you think that offspring ends up?



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: murty@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY  Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: Re: RECIPE: (LACTO-VEG) Saturn Stew
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:39:40 GMT

	Where do you get Vegetarian Cheese?

	On a related note, I have been looking for ricotta cheese
	at most supermarkets and can't seem to find it.  Is it
	only available in health food stores?

	Hema


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:09:42 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <6APR199219133556@cc.weber.edu>, jtan@cc.weber.edu (THE TAN MAN) writes:
> Hello, all!!
> 
> 	I have just barely become a vegetarian (less
> than two weeks ago!).
> 	I wasn't sure if there was a vegetarian
> newsgroup, but, lo and behold, someone cross-posted
> to sci.environment, and I just happened to catch
> their header that had "rec.food.veg" in it, and
> thought, "Sounds close enough!"
> 	From the last few posts, it appears I'm
> in the right group!
> 	If anyone cares, these are (in order) the
> reasons I have decided to become vegetarian:
> 
> 	1)  Environmental
> 	2)  Humanitarian (the socialistic/anthropocentric type)
> 	3)  Humanitarian (the other one, for animals)
> 	4)  Health (not only mine, but other folks', too)
> 
> 	I have switched to eating a lot of rice now,
> but someone told me that I should eat meat or beans
> with it:  does anyone know why?
> 
> Thanks!!!!
> 
> The Tan Man

You need to get a cookbook- quick!! "High Road to Health", by Wagner, 
is a good one to start with- should be in most bookstores. 

Please don't eat *meat* with your rice- the whole point of becoming
a vegetarian is to NOT eat meat. 

To get you through the week, here are some suggestions:

Spagetti with mushroom and onion tomato sauce
Rice with beans, spice with cumin, salt, pepper, tabasco
Stuff an eggplant with breadcrumb stuffing- bake until soft
Sauteed eggplant with barbeque sauce
Baked or microwaved sweet potatoes
Corn Bread with chili peppers and sweet corn added
Pasta with vegetables, such as asparagus or broccoli, add margarine
or olive oil
Bean burritos with lettuce, tomato, avocado, top with salsa
Morningstar Farms "grillers": non meat burgers made from soybeans-
cook and top as you would hamburgers, and use in any meat dish
Pita bread stuffed with peanut butter
Pita bread stuffed with mushrooms, onions, sauteed tofu
Pita bread stuffed with roasted red and  green peppers



What you mentioned about combining foods, such as beans with rice,
is to combine certain amino acids. This is an old concept. These
days, all you really need to do is to consume some grains with
some legumes (and legumes not only include beans, but soybean burgers,
tofu, and soymilk), or dairy such as skim milk if you still use dairy, 
during the course of a day, not in the same meal. Most people don't
need to worry about this. 

Good luck, and welcome. You are indeed at the right place. Sometimes
even those of us who have been here for a while wonder whether we
are at the right place!!!

-Mary Howard
From: grx0751@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Interesting quote reg. smoking [Was Estimating Risk ...]
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:29:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <altar.702639511@sfu.ca>, altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) 
writes:

>  Isn't it remarkable that intelligent people who happen to still
> be smokers will still deny in some manner the hazards incurred by
> smoking.  (Some wit once remarked that a smoker is a person who
> claims that `the more they fume the less they fret').
	       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	  

	This reminds of me of a very humorous poem. This poem is in Telugu,
	{an Indian language}, my mother tongue. First the translation:

		"When the great eagle stole the nectar from the heavens,
		 it overflowed and a drop fell on earth,
		 was transformed into the tobacco plant,
		 one who doesn't smoke, will be reborn as a buffalo."

	I am very sure that I did not do full justice to the original. For
	the benefit of those few on the net who may understand Telugu and
	care, here is the original.

		"Khagapathi amruthamu theygaa,
		 bura bura mani pongi chukka bhoomini vraalen,
		 poga chettai janminchen,
		 poga thaagani vaadu dunnapothai puttun."

	Gurajada Appa Rao, was the greatest dramatist in Telugu, as towering
	a persona in Telugu as Shakespeare is to English. In his masterpiece
	"Kanyasulkam" {the bride-price}, one of his characters is a smoker,
	and supports smoking citing the above poem. Appa Rao is a non-smoker
	himself, though.

	To understand the poem better, one needs a brief introduction to the
	reincarnation concept of Hinduism. According to this belief, a man
	is graded according to the deeds (karma) of his life and will be
	reborn as the life form appropriate to the grade he gets. A cow/bull
	is the nearest to the man in grade value, whereas a buffalo ranks
	very low. This is adittedly VERY simplistic view; it is much more
	complex than that and I do not claim to understand it any more than
	this.

	This poem is very popular with my father, whenever my mother or I
	start nagging him to quit smoking. Which is why I remember it very
	well.

	Hope that the netters find this as humorous and amusing as I did.

	Siva Prasad.			(grx0751@uoft02.utoledo.edu)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 00:05:41 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Request: Vegan Cake Frosting

*blink*  *blink*  *blink*  huh?  aren't MOST frostings vegan?
i mean, margarine, confectioner's suger, water...  that's vegan,
isn't it?  you can get vegan frosting recipes from any standard
cookbook!

but, since you ask, my favorite frosting:

Chocolate Frosting

1/3 cup softened marg. or butter
2 squares unsweetened chocolate, melted and cooled
2 cups powdered sugar
1 1/2 tsp. vanilla
about 2 T milk (or substitute coffee [my suggestion])

Mix margarine and chocolate.  Stir in powdered sugar.  Beat in vanilla
and milk (or coffee) until smooth and of spreading consistency).  The
recipe writers think this frosts a whole cake.  They are wrong.  Make
a double batch at least.  You can also substitute 1/3 cup cocoa for
the chocolate squares.

i use coffee as a substitute for milk in fudge making too.  it
works well, and then my lactose-intolerant mother can eat what
i fix...  and it uses up leftover coffee nicely.

                                       -ailsa
From: mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Lavilin
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:30:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University


	...hopefully the followup on my system won't hack off the top lines, 
but i am typing these filler lines just in case...
	...repeat...
	...repeat...
	...repeat...
	...repeat...
	...repeat...

	...okay, sorry for all that gibberish above...about vegan 
deodorants...i've been using for quite some time a deodorant 'stone'...it is
a small, clear rock which is applied like a solid deodorant after running 
under warm water...if i am not mistaken, it is some type of salt which kills
off the microbes which cause the odor; obviously, it does no good for already-
present odor...it works quite well; if applied immediately after washing, i've
been able to go two or three days without the microbes building back up...
consequently, it is also quite effective against foot odor, etcetera...
	...i do know that it is a naturally occurring mineral (at least the
type which i buy)...it can be obtained at rock shows, some gimmick-laden
soveneir shops, and (i believe) department store cosmetic counters...
					...matthew m. agee...
					mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@sasquatch.serum.kodak.com (Rich Young (x37176))
Subject: Re: Vegetarians and Missionaries
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:05:48 GMT

dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade) writes:

>>Rich Young writes:
>>
>>Does one explain to the diabetic that his/her sweet
>>tooth may well cause death, or does one rip the candy out >of his/her
>>mouth and make thinly-veiled references to thinking capacity?

>   I think this is particularly ironic because diabetes is more aggravated
>   (and caused) by fat intake (particularly animal fat intake), than sugar
>   intake.  A vegetarian (vegan) diet is probably the best thing for a
>   diabetic or person interested in not getting diabetes in the future.

  Please note that the above question about a diabetics' sweet tooth is
  quoted completely out of context.  Having said that, the following is
  quoted from __The Merck Manual__, Fifteenth Edition, 1987, without
  permission:

DIABETES MELLITUS (DM):

	"A syndrome resulting from a variable interaction of hereditary
	and environmental factors, and characterized by abnormal insulin
	secretion, inappropriately elevated blood glucose levels, and a
	variety of end organ complications including nephropathy, retinopathy,
	neuropathy, and accelerated atherosclerosis."

	"DM has no distinct etiology, pathogenesis, invariable set of
	clinical findings, specific laboratory tests, or definitive and
	curative therapy, although it is nearly always associated with
	fasting hyperglycemia and decreased glucose tolerance."

	[...]

DIET FOR DIABETES:

	"Beyond the basic requirements to provide adequate calories and
	necessary nutrients to achieve desirable weight and sustain
	normal growth and development, 2 factors in diabetic patients
	require specific dietary adjustments.  INSULIN-TREATED PATIENTS
	require day-to-day consistency of intake of calories...and timing
	of meals."

	[...]

	"OBESITY is the other factor requiring dietary treatment.  Decreased
	caloric intake with even moderate (15 lb.) [adult] weight reduction
	will lower fasting plasma glucose, lipid, and insulin levels toward
	normal as insulin resistance is decreased."

	[...]

	"Current information, however, fails to demonstrate that diet
	programs emphasizing adhering to a specific "diabetic" diet or
	avoiding specific foods can reverse or prevent the disabling
	manifestations of diabetes."

	[...]

  There are a total of 15 pages (of tiny, tiny print) in the Manual which
  describe the various forms of diabetes; anyone with further interest should
  consult the listed source.  It would appear, however, that the only real
  contribution of fat in general, and animal fat in particular, is in its
  contribution to obesity.

-Rich (young@serum.kodak.com)

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: jerry hudgins where are you???
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:25:18 GMT


sorry for this wide distribution but jerry, your mail keeps bouncing back
regardless of how i send it.  please send me a correct mail address.

thanks -- krissie
From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarians and Missionaries
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:47:18 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Rich Young writes:

>Does one explain to the diabetic that his/her sweet
>tooth may well cause death, or does one rip the candy out >of his/her
mouth and
>make thinly-veiled references to thinking capacity?

I think this is particularly ironic because diabetes is more aggravated
(and caused) by fat intake (particularly animal fat intake), than sugar
intake.  A vegetarian (vegan) diet is probably the best thing for a
diabetic or person interested in not getting diabetes in the future.

dave
From: IO91549@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: LEATHER
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:03:54 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I am curious as to whether vegetarians wear leather shoes, jackets,
have leather upholstered car interiors, etc. I understand that people
who are vegetarian for health reasons only would have no problem with
this, but what about those who detest meat for animal's sake? I have
seen some 'animal rights' vegetarians wear leather, saying "Someone
else ate the meat, I'm just using what would go to waste".

Not being a vegetarian myself, I am asking for curiosity only.

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From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:19:00 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>"But as for whether they need to be eaten at exactly the >same time
>	for the desired effect, the data have been somewhat contradictory.
>	In one of the more recent experiments on the subject, scientists fed
>	protein from rice and protein from mung beans to different groups
>	of weanling rats.  The rats who were fed just rice protein or just
>	mung bean protein did not grow well, as was to be expected.  But
>	those who were fed rice and bean protein as many as five hours apart
>	grew just as well as those who were given rice and bean protein
>	simultaneously.  The researchers concede they have no 'tangible'
>	data for whether the same would be true in humans, but they believe
>	some preliminary evidence indicates that perhaps it would be."

I think Tufts should stop doing studies like this.  They should not be
doing experiments on RATS to find out what humans' needs are.  Rats need
so much more protein than humans that the implications of the study are
misleading.

Remember, it was a study done on rats decades ago that "proved" that
meat protein was "superior" to vegetable protein.  There is a lot of
evidence today to suggest otherwise.  Apparently, the amino acid chain
in meat may be broken due to cooking (as stated in Fit For Life).  I
don't know how true this is, but to automatically state that meat
protein is superior to vegetable protein may easily be the  opposite of
the truth.

Dave