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From: brayl@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: FAX Software for Supra or Zyxel
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Keywords: FAX modem Supra Zyxel
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:06:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.154531.25032@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> jesinger@spot.Color
do.EDU (Peter Jesinger) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>is there any Software available for the Atari ST to send and recive fax
>with the new combined V32bis and FAX modems from Zyxel and Supra?
>Where can I get such software? 
>
>Peter
>-- 
>Peter Jesinger (EMail: jesinger@boulder.colorado.edu)
>
>Ich bin ein .signature Virus. Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine .signa
ure.
>


Peter,

Joppa Software has software called the STraight Fax for $69.95.
Joppa can be reaced at PO Box 214, Dallastown, PA 17313,
Phone (717) 428-3231/Fax (717) 428-0424.

THeir software sends and receives faxes, and works with any fax modem
that's Class II compliant, including the SupraFaxmodems and the Zoom
FX96/24 and the Twincom.

The price of $69.95 is good until May 31st.

                Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)
From: Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:09:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.04

bpat@cs.mcgill.ca wrote:

b>The VDI has a function called vst_loadfonts. passing 0 as font number, and
b>the address of the font header in ptsin(0) and ptsin(1) will have it use
b>this font THE RIGHT WAY. You can pass in 1 for the 6x6 font (Nothing in
b>ptsin then), 2 for 8x8 or 3 for 8x16. What more do you need ???

Attention please: You may only use this method if you are sure that there's no
GDOS installed, yet (vq_gdos)! Otherwise it won't work!

The increasing number of people who have GDOS installed is an argument for the
usage of documented functions - those of GDOS.

Regards,
 Patrick
From: bl693@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Judith A. Baumgardner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:07:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.040759.29336
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I can't agree with you.  Golly, real applications like OS/2?  Boy,
there's just tons of stuff coming out for that.  As far as the
video being serviceable, from the specs I've seen so far, that's
an "idiot's fantasy".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as of Branch Always Softwares
press release, the GEMulator will "never" handle MIDI.  So, the
video stinks, the MIDI is non-existant, and you have to buy a
$3000+ machine (the newsletter says ideally a 486 50mzh) to
emulate a $300+ machine.

If for some reason an Atari owner needs an IBM, they may as well
keep their machine.  (I kept my 8-bit...)

As for his 8-bit emulator credentials... I must say, it works about
as well as the Amiga emulator does.

I'm just tired of all this free advertisement (from people on a first
name basis with him) for a product that doesn't even work properly
yet (AS PER HIS OWN NEWSLETTER).

-- 
J.A.Baumgardner
bl693@cleveland.freenet.edu

5000 years until the next ice age!  Shop now to avoid the rush!
From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tiny Turbo and IBM software emulator question
Keywords: Tiny Turbo
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:40:08 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark


Are there anybody out there with a good (interactive) reassembler? I have
looked for some time but they are all just little more than disassemblers.


-Klaus
From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: __NEW__ Mega STE deal
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.182737.13821
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Sounds like a pretty good deal... BUT, if you don't want a hard drive,
or don't want a monitor, I know two places with better prices:
 
Computer STudio in Asheville, NC:	Mega STE 1  --  $619 +$10 shipping
800-253-0201
 
TOAD Computers in Severna Park, MD:	Mega STE 4 w/50 meg hard drive
800-448-TOAD				$1089
 
I bought my Mega STE 1 from the first place and added two 1 meg SIMMs
that I bought from MacSystems for $33 each (100 ns).  They're at
800-942-6227.
 
Rob
-- 
| Robert Glover                               GEnie:  R.GLOVER3 |
| Internet:           rg@turing.acs.virginia.edu                |
| Cleveland Freenet:  aq115@cleveland.freenet.edu               |
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From: yellowbd@eskimo.celestial.com (Andy Hubbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Terminal server idler?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:14:02 GMT
Organization: <<< ESKIMO NORTH (206)-FOR-EVER >>>

Someone looking for a terminal program with this feature built in?  This
is but one of many others built in to the Freeze Dried Terminal program!
It seems like the author talked it over with all his friends and put in
the features that everyone really wanted!  Get version 2.12 as it is the
most current and has the most features!  Best shareware terminal package
I've seen yet!  I quit using Interlink in favor of this one!
  
It seems like I've been plugging the program here on the net...  I'm not
in any way affiliated with the author.  I just really feel that this is
the best quality shareware software available out there.  And the demo
version isn't crippled to the point of practical uselessness like some
authors seem to feel necessary to ensure people will register!
                       --== Andy ==--
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.054027.10502@cis.ohio-state.edu>  
tbrown@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ted Brown) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.045538.1530@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
bl692@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Ackerman II) writes:
> >
> >Dear Mr. Dhir,
> >
> >	Question how in the He** are you supposed to run Spectre
> >without the Spectre Cartridge (or more appropriately the Mac
> >Roms it contains)?  Maybe run the pirate file versions of the Mac
> >Roms like Darryl Microsofts running a pirate version of TOS?
> >
> 
> This does bring up the question.  Just *how* does/would Gemulator
> run Spectre?  I think running Spectre without the Spectre cart just
> might be against Dave Small's wishes.  Can you even buy a copy of 
> Spectre without buying the cart?
> 
> Also note that reading the MacRoms into memory is illegal unless you do  
it
> *every* time you start the emulator.  Copying them do disk and leaving  
the
> ROMs on the shelf is not legal (as I understand it).
> 
> Was the demo of Gemulator running off a TOS board?  If not, *that* is  
illegal.
> 
> It won't run video at ST speeds no matter what speed the chip is at  
unless
> maybe you have an EISA bus (which those cheap clones arent) or its one  
of
> the new direct mapped video models which start at $5,499 for a base line
> Dell.  And you *can't* upgade to one, it on the board not the bus.
> 
> Pay lots of money, have to get a board to hold TOS (and waste a slot),  
not
> run MIDI aps, have slow video, and still have performance under  
question.
> And I don't expect it to be able to *legally* able to run Spectre.   
That's just
> marketing bullsh** for all I know till I hear how they will do it.
> 
> I still don't get it!  Who'd buy Gemulator, and if someone did, should  
they
> be commited?
> 
> Ted Brown

Actually the Local Bus motherboards don't cost much at all.  You can get a  
486/33 Local-Bus with 8mb RAM, 200MB HD, and a 14" SVGA card/monitor with  
DOS and Windows for $2750.  Look through the new issues of Computer  
Shopper.  Great deals.

Peace.

					- Al
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 20:16:16 EST
From: Joshua Kronengold <JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Looking for Symbollic linker for GCC......

Yes, just dl the gnu utilities from a.a
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mattw@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Matthew Watson)
Subject: Re: question about game: "Baby Jo in: Going Home"
Organization: Telecom Australia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:21:17 GMT

georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (George Walker) writes:

>I recently got Baby Jo (a public domain disk) from BRE Software for my kids.
>They're unable to get past the duck that asks if Baby Jo wants a carrot.
>Is there a trick to this, or is this in fact a demo/shareware game that BRE has
>lost the doc file for?  The only text file on the disk is "txteng", which
>contains the English version of the phrases spoken in "speech balloons".
>In demo mode, the computer gets past the duck with no problems.

I got the demo version off a ST Format cover disk and all I do to get past
the duck is to click the fire button. Further along the game just fades
out and goes to the title screen when you get to a certain point. The duck
is about a third of the way there..........

>George S. Walker    {decvax,hplabs,uunet}!tektronix!tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM!georgew
>*OR*  georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM   *OR*   georgew%tekig1.tek.com@relay.cs.net
>*OR*  tekig1!georgew.tektronix@Udel-Relay  Tektronix - Committed to Excellence
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From: krakover@spot.Colorado.EDU (KRAKOVER JONATHAN DA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Emulators for the ST
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:42:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr13.204252.2517
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


	Sorry to bring up such a redundent question in this group, however
I just purchased an 1040ST yesterday and would like to know if there are
emulators for it to run IBM or MAC software.  Wheither they are hardware
or software based.  And what I should expect to pay for them.
	Also, besides this group, what is a good source for Atari ST
information?

					Thanks,
					Jonathan
					krakover@spot.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: swanee@megadata.uucp (Geoff Swan)
Subject: branch always software
Keywords: atari st
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:00:41 GMT

Does anyone out there have an address or contact for Branch Always
Software? I'd like to find out more about the Gemulator product and
what it is capable of.  

    Sla/n go fo/ill,
                    Risky B.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Megadata Pty Ltd                     /      \ 
2/37 Waterloo Rd, North Ryde,        \_.--._/               +61-2-805-0899
NSW 2113, Australia.                       v           (AH) +61-2-477-6519
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: HELP !!! FRANKIE-Virus and ALADIN
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 16:14:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.174146.25978@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> GROSSER@rzmain.rz.u
i-ulm.de (Grosser Martin) writes:
>
>Help !!! Help !!! Help !!!
>Is there anyone using ALADIN 3.0 on the ST??
>
>Is there anyone who has experience with the horrible FRANKIE virus-infec
ion??
>The FRANKIE virus begins his work after about 15 to 30 minutes.  There i
 a 
>message: " Frankie says: no more piracy" and the system crashed. After t
at time
>you usually changed a few discs and the virus is everywhere and you have
to 
>clean up the whole system.
>Is there any ANTI-Virus for this bullshit FRANKIE-virus  on ST available

>
>please answer
>martin


Martin,

I don't know about that pecific virus, but at one show recently, WAACE
I think, GEnie was handing out disks with Alladin and a nice virus.
Of course, GEnie didn't find out until the show was over!

There is a collection of virus utilities called Hospital from programmers
in the UK.  In it, there is a file called Watcher.  This file sits in your
auto folder and checks each time you put a disk in to see if it has
an executable boot sector.  If it does, Watcher flashes the screen.

This programs has saved us several times at AIM headquarters. :)

               Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)
From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Dalamar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PD C
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:02:47 GMT
Organization: Brighton Polytechnic, UK

Sozobon C is a good little package to get you off the ground for little more 
than a few disks. If you get it in full, as you should from any good PD lib, 
you get loads of source code. I think you even get the code for the compiler,
linker, etc. 

I cannot remember as I have not used it for a little while, but I do know that
you could do alot worse than it. If you have any probs getting it...contact me
and I will pass on the name of the people I got it off, of I can copy it for
you. 

Michael May
Northbrook College
Worthing
Sussex
England

These Opinions are purely my own and are not a reflection of anyone elses, but
my own and therefore are my own solely, but could be someone elses, but then
they may be not...but but but but........
From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMulator
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:29:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr6.135612.8211@mks.com> ant@mks.com (Anthony Howe) writes:
>
>I've seen it!!!!  GEMulator is real.
>
>The GEMulator ran under windows on a 486 machine.  He had some commerial
>ROM board plugged in that had TOS 1.4 on it.  He showed it running under
>all three resolutions on the one machine using the clone's colour monitor.
>He also showed some software like Laser C working and assorted other
>
>ant@mks.com                                                   Anthony C Howe 
>Mortice Kern Systems Inc. 35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2J 6W9
>"Congratulations, you've reached 10cm dilation. You may now give birth." - Worf

Anybody who has more news on this widget, now or in the future (especially
those going to the show), let me know!! I've got this 486 at work and it
would be great to emulate an ST, simply to run all the software I've 
developed - would save a lot of porting time.

And as I said before a lot of people might find it cheaper to buy a
386/496 rather than buy a TT.

Herb
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/******************************************************************************
Herbert Sauro                                   e-mail: hrs@aber.ac.uk
Biological Sciences                              phone: +44 970 622353
Univesity College of Wales
From: june@f308.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ed June)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:55:17 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:133/308 - Information Overloa, Riverdale GA

On <Apr 09 02:06>, Alok Dhir of 1:133/411 writes:

 AD> From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
 AD> Date: 6 Apr 92 13:43:13 GMT
 AD> Message-ID: <12367@umd5.umd.edu>
 AD> Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st


 AD> Actually, according to Derek Michocka (whatever...the author), on a  
 AD> 386/33, the Gemulator will run a little faster than a standard STe.  
 AD> On a  
 AD> 486/33, it should run about twice as fast.  On whatever comes next, 
 AD> it's  
 AD> speed will increase accordingly.  Not only that, but you can 
 AD> actually  
 AD> multitask with it running.  You can have Gemulator running as a full  
 AD> screen DOS session under Windows or OS/2 and switch between it and 
 AD> other  
 AD> DOS/Windows/OS/2 apps.  Another cool thing is that Darek was hinting  
 AD> towards the fact that it will actually run Spectre 3.0!  So we'll 
 AD> have  
 AD> Mac, ST and PC in one box.

 AD> My question is whether it will support an aftermarket sound board 
 AD> like  
 AD> Soundblaster Pro to emulate the STe sound...

 AD>                                         - Al

So, is this actually available?
I've long since $old all my STs, I had three at one time *8^), due to various reasons. Though I have a LOT of software left. It would be neat to be able to use the stuff left over...


--  
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From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR vs ST w/ PC
Keywords: GEMULATOR
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:21:11 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr13.030940.3482@cc.umontreal.ca> u1398@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
>In article <ami2iB1w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>>
>>I still think that GEMulator is a waste. There is no pratical
>>use for it. Get an ST for $200 and be done with it... Why in god's
>>name would someone waste the time to find the ROMS, waste the diskspace
>>just to get something that's not even as fast as a $200 ST even with a 
>>386/40?
>
>Face it, a $200 ST will not be able to do very much. It will have 512K/1Meg
>RAM, a 720K floppy, and that is all. (No monitor means you cannot use it)
>
>If one already has a decent PC, with 4 Megs of RAM, a hard disk, floppies,
>and a monitor (a $200 ST will not have one), with GEMulator, they will have
>a _useable_ "2 Meg ST".
>
>A 2 Meg ST with mono monitor will cost more than the Gemulator. Sure, the
>real machine is nice, but what you do not seem to comprehend is that
>you can use your existing RAM and Monitor, whereas if you get a the ST
>at around the same price as the Gemulator, you'll require even more
>money to buy RAM and a Monitor for it.
>
>                           ___________________________________ # ## #   Falcon
>Odisseas Kosmatos        _/ "Do I really need an Iris Indigo?" # ## #   at the
>u1398@jsp.umontreal.ca _/   "real programmers dont eat."      ## ## ##  Atari
>______________________/     "You die.--more--"               ##  ##  ## Messe!

I have to agree, if one wants good graphics, high density drives, decent
capacity HDs, easy memory upgrades etc etc, and at a price one can
afford ($200 ST get you, 720K drives, no HD, no monitor and especially
1985 graphics) then I guess one ought to
get a PC + Gemulator. 

For those of us who like 680x0 boxes which we can mess about with then
the ST/TT route is the one to take (after all there isn't any other decent
and 'cheap' 680x0 box around).


Herb
 
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Herbert Sauro                                   e-mail: hrs@aber.ac.uk
Biological Sciences                              phone: +44 970 622353
Univesity College of Wales
From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Overview of MultiTOS Reprint
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:20:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.162046.5991
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


MultiTOS is still in development, that's why many of the features
aren't in it yet.  That's also why it's still slow.  It hasn't
had the polishing touches put on it yet.  Since Atari's aiming
for a fall release, they still have plenty of time to get it up to
par.
 
I'm staying optomistic about it, and I'll just wait and see.
Remember how long it took Apple to get Multifinder working well?
It may take Atari a while too.
 
Rob
-- 
| Robert Glover                               GEnie:  R.GLOVER3 |
| Internet:           rg@turing.acs.virginia.edu                |
| Cleveland Freenet:  aq115@cleveland.freenet.edu               |
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From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMulator
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 07:58:38 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Oh yea.. what about MIDI support? MPU-401 compatible?
<X>orcist

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From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 Upgrade in ST, Easy??
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:28:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.162809.6457
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


After reading all the replies to this thread, I feel compelled to
respond.
 
Codehead's TOS Extension Card (TEC) comes in three variants:
 
Standard version for $139
CPU Bridge for $155
Bus Bridge for $155
 
The Standard Version is the one that you solder a bunch of wires
onto your 68000.  It's not an easy installation due to the
sensitivity of the 68000 chip.  Too much heat will fry it.
 
The CPU Bridge is my personal favorite, as you desolder the
68000 and solder a socket in it's place.  You plug the TEC card
into the socket, and then the 68000 into it.  That way, if you
do happen to toast the 68000 when desoldering, it's as easy as
$8 to get a new one.
 
The Bus Bridge simply plugs into the older Mega ST internal
bus (MegaBUS), no other mods requried.  It's the easiest, but
I think if you have an older Mega, you should keep that slot open
for a really neat addon like a new video card, so use the CPU
Bridge instead.
 
Desoldering chips is not as hard as it sounds.  I've done several
68000's and numerous other chips, and that was before I ever bought
a desoldering iron.  It just takes time and patience.
 
Rob
-- 
| Robert Glover                               GEnie:  R.GLOVER3 |
| Internet:           rg@turing.acs.virginia.edu                |
| Cleveland Freenet:  aq115@cleveland.freenet.edu               |
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From: Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Overscan Mod
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:58:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.05/beta

c>The autoswitch overscan (as it's called) is a little more complex to install
c>but is more convenient.

It's even easier to install and worth its price.

Greetings,
 Patrick
From: adhir@oberon.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:27:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: /etc/organization

! A friend of mine who does DTP tried a 040 NeXT running pagemaker in 32 bit
! colour mode at a recent show. He basically said you couldn't pay him enough
! to use the system as it is now. Appearntly the lag time between clicking and 
! anything actually happening was frustratingly long. He said the original
! mac was faster( of course that was mono)

This is exactly like the owner of an inferior system.  Trash the thing that
is supposed to be the best...  You are comparing a TT030 to a NeXT 040?  Are
you sick?  "you're friend" was probably running on a machine with too little
memory and was waiting for swapfiles to come in and out.  The only way to
get 32bit color on the NeXT is with the NeXTDimension color board which has
an Intel i860 coprocessor on it...and it displays 32 bit color at about the
same speed that the non-NeXTDimension NeXTs display mono.  I am writing this
from NeXT right now.  We have tons of em here on campus (at the University 
of MD, College Park), and I use them every day.  The original Mac was a 7.x
megahertz 68000...I cannot even believe that you are trying to tell me that
that thing feels faster than a 25mhz 68040.  Amazing.

							- Al

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