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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Bush's Accomplishments
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:57:45 GMT

In <1992Sep14.182441.15949@den.mmc.com> sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:

>>john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
>>>eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>>>]Bush has done nothing in 3+ years.  He talks a good game now, but hasn't
>>>]performed so far, and I see no reason to believe he will be different as a
>>>]lame duck in a second term--a time when even strong presidents become less
>>>]successful.

>>>Well... let's see...
>>>   He did a good job of conducting Desert Shield and Desert Storm

>>    Strange, I thought that Schwartzkopf (sp?) did a good job conducting 
>>the war, but the greatest credit I would have attributed to Bush is that 
>>he did a good job of staying out of the way and letting the real soldiers 
>>fight the battles. 

>Which is precisely what he should have done.  It's also something good
>ole LBJ and Jimmuh Catah just couldn't figure out.

Yes, but at least Carter wouldn't veto sanctions on Iraq just months
before Iraq invaded Kuwait.  And he wouldn't give them millions of
dollars before their invasion to see what they'd do with it.  And he
wouldn't claim that we didn't care if he invaded Kuwait.  And then
he wouldn't encourage Kurds and Shiites to revolt against Iraq and then
ignore the fact that Iraq was busy slaughtering them.  And he wouldn't
stop attacking while "Hitler" still had a huge portion of his army surviving.

As an aside, has anyone noted that Saddam Hussein is Bush's Willie
Horton?  Think about the parallels.  You've got a known murderer.  You
could impose stiff penalties on the murderer, but instead you decide to
be nice to him and hope he'll suddenly become a nice person.  Not
surprisingly, this murderer takes everything you give him and then goes
out and murders again, anyway.  

Of course, the difference is that Willie Horton only killed 2 people the
second time around, and Saddam killed thousands.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: Re: Is the Honeymoon Ending?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:45:24 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>2. The New Republic, pro-Clinton in general, had three articles in the most
>recent issue (I just got it today) pretty critical of Clinton's possible Court 
>appointees

I'm curious, who are they?  I haven't read much lately so I'd like to know
who he would like up there.


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,misc.headlines
From: patt@squid.tram.com (Patt Bromberger)
Subject: Bush Administration embargo against Haiti?
Organization: Tramway Unix Systems
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:59:13 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc

During a CNN "Capital Gang" broadcast they mentioned the lack of
attention (by the media) given to the Bush Administration's embargo
against Haiti allegedly to force the Haitians into accepting their old
(dictatorship) government once again.

And the Clinton/Gore ticket hasn't mentioned this either!

Does anyone have any more info on this development?

Thanks.



-- 
Patricia Ann Bromberger                     -       patt@squid.tram.com
Tramway Unix Systems 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty." (Anne Herbert)
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: On-Line Copy of REPUBLICAN PLATFORM desired!
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:43:49 GMT

In article <5d2yk_j@rpi.edu>
buckmr@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

>
>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>
>
>>     I, too, would be interested in seeing the Republican Platform.

>Great. Maybe you will type in the 95 page document so that we can all see it?

     Ummm.  I don't have the thing, which was the point.

     Is it really 95 pages?
>
>>     I would also, though, be interested even more in someone documenting
>>the above vicious caricature with actual quotes from the document.
>It has been excerpted widely in the NYT and other newspapers. For example:
>
>We oppose efforts to include sexual preference as a protected minority
>receiving preferential status under civil rights statutes at the Federal, state
>and local level." --1992 Republican National Commitee campaign platform.

     I believe "preferential status" is the point here.  Nobody should
recieve "preferential status" regardless of whether they are a majority
or a minority.

>"We believe the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which
>cannot be infringed." --1992 Republican National Committee campaign platform

     Which, while not something I'd like to see codified in law, is a far-cry
from what your hyperbole.

>>     However, it would surprise me if the above person had even read
>>the platform.
>Well, I hope the two above quotes are enough to swing SOME voters in the
>Clinton-Gore direction...

     Nice to know you read it before denouncing it.

     However, opposing the Republicans does not equate into supporting
the Democrats.  I have as many objections to their platform as I do to
the Republican's positions.

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| David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu                                  |
|             University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education |
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Eat shit, fuck off and die you knee-jerk bloody little Fascist!
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:52:01 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1992Sep10.214355.6235@fico.uucp> ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley) writes:
>In article <12164@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
    >>A true liberal -- Mr. Bucuvalas believes that the correct
    >>response to free speech is jail time.
    >>
    >And so does the justice system when the intent is malicious
    >and meant to upset a number of people and possibly cause
    >damage. It's called 'Criminal Solicitaion'. I'd look it up
    >Clayton, because I am sure that as soon as this posts, about
    >20 other people will, and they will all be gunning for you.

I was going to say something nasty, as one of my goats was loose and
the above little brown shit, er, shirt was attempting to "get" it,
but then I calmed down.

In any case, "Adryenn", you be full of shit. Section 653f of the Penal
Code of California is quite clear on what "Soliciting commission of
certain offenses" is. It is unmistakbly NOT about malicious anything
of damage (doesn't even use those two words).

It does specify robbery, burglary, grand theft, receiving stolen property,
extortion, assault, ... murder, rape, ... use of force against any
witness to any crime, or witness in a trial, proceeding, or inquiry,
and so on.

In fact, given Clayton's witnesses and "threat" to take his perceived
facts that people in soc.motts are promulgating@sexual molestation
of minors, I'd say the ONLY person that comes close to violation
of Section 653f of the Penal Code of California is YOU.

In the mean time, shut the fuck up until you have read and understaood
the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

May all our road kill be Politically Correct ...



-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.animals
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Cat Control!
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.202410.1@vxdesy.desy.de> forbush@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.170316.22205@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov>, julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>> 
>> In article <18l6haINNrkc@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep9.055802.27485@nuscc.nus.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>>>>

<cats and bird hunting stuff deleted >
>
>You should try what they do here in Germany. 
>Because cats kill young birds in the spring and summer
>just make it legal to shoot a cat if it is off its
>leash in the spring and summer. That should solve the problem.
>

Gee, can you shoot dogs too if they're off their leash?

Dogs have killed young children.  Therefore all dogs off their
leashes will kill young children.  Much better to shoot it (and
ask questions later) than to catch it and give the owner a 
fine or lecture.

Sheesh.

Oh I know.  We need to round up all these naughty cats and teach
them to appreciate birds and not to oppress them.  After all, we
like birds that sing and would never eat them so therefore all
creatures must be the same way.

Shall we shoot wild hawks because they eat songbirds?  Owls?
Ah heck, let's just get rid of all predators and live in a
nice warm fuzzy world.

Putting human values on animals is plain stupidity.
(And if we want to do something about the loss of species we
should look at ourselves first and not our pets.)

Julie
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
From: eitan@pashosh.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:35:01 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

In article <1992Sep9.060950.3371@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.185144.5501@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>>
>>Nonsense.  The Palestinians *rejected* 193 and their right to a state
>>inside the "Green Line", the 1949 ceasefire lines.  They did this by
>>declaring war on Israel, and losing.  War is not a zero sum game.  The
>>side that starts, and loses a war generally loses territory as well.
>>Germany is a good example of this.  Germany lost WWII, and can not go
>>back to the "meaningless pieces of paper" which defined its pre-war
>>boundaries, since it rejected those same papers in declaring war.
>
>The difference here is that the Arabs have not lost the war, only some
>early battles. A state of war still exists between Israel and the
>Arab states. Thus calls to return to pre-war conditions are still
>valid. In practical terms, of course, the chance of ultimate military
>success by the Arabs seems small, but is not moot as witness the Israeli
>military buildups and continued military rule of the occupied territories.
>If the war were over, military rule would not be required, unless you
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>want to redefine Israel as a military dictatorship.
>

You're talking about the ME ? right ?

>Gary



Eitan Shterenbaum
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:54:03 GMT

	While we're on the subject of Clinton's supposed
draft-dodging, let us not forget about J. Danforth Quayle's draft
dodging. True, he served in the National Guard, but not as any kind of
serious soldier. He received three months of training to be a welder,
then a position in the NG Information Office opened up, and he got a
cushy desk job associated with the NG's official magazine. But no
article ever appeared under his name.

	While all this was going on, he was obnoxiously
pro-Vietnam-War.

	But I'm rather disappointed that the Democratic Party has a
lack of talent for low-blow campaigning. After Willie Horton, I think
Bush deserves a low blow or two. Something that will make him _really_
scream about how wrong negative campaigning is.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Democratic Campaign Song
Keywords: Try Not To Inhale While Singing This Song
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:38:58 GMT

		Democratic Campaign Song

	(sung to the tune of "Little Brown Jug")

	Ha Ha Ha
	He He He
	Don't you think it's fu-un-ny?

	When we get in
	We get in
	We'll bust the budget once again.

	If you don't mind
	You don't mind
	Let us screw you one more time.

	We tax and spend
	Tax and spend
	Cause saving money is a sin.

	We'll use it up
	Use it up
	Do you think we give a f**k?

	Ha Ha Ha
	He He He
	Just Give Us Your Mo-on-ney!


					Compliments of,

					Gerard Vignes

-- 

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu	Gerard Vignes, USL PO Box 42709, Lafayette LA 70504 USA

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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:47:40 GMT
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cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>All the liberals on the national scene today want to raise taxes.

Please define "all" and "liberals".

Or refrain from such mind-bogglingly senile statements.

-- richard

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From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: On-Line Copy of REPUBLICAN PLATFORM desired!
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:58:47 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

John R. Moore) writes:
|> Keywords: 
|> 
|> ]"We believe the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which
|> ]cannot be infringed." --1992 Republican National Committee campaign platform
|> 
|> This one is debatable, but at some point the child gains that right to
|> life, and the issue is when. The quoted statement implies that when is before
|> birth, but it doesn't say at what point before birth.
|> 
The platform does not say that an unborn child gains this right at 1 month or
3 months, etc.  The platform says that all unborn children -- from the point
of conception.

_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: The draft and Vietnam
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:54:29 GMT

John Moore writes:

>I think it important to point out that Hack was in VN and saw how
>stupidly the war was being prosecuted, but he was not in a position to
>determine whether the war was being fought for good ends. In his book
>(which I have read), his main argument against the war is that "we
>weren't really fighting for the democracy in VN, because it wasn't a
>democracy." With this level of unsophisticated analysis, it is hard to
>take his views on what was going on in the US (as opposed to VN where
>he was present) very seriously. 

   It is an index of how greatly the Vietnam war has corrupted us that
most people today would indeed agree that it was naive for an American
soldier to accept the reasons given to him by our nation's leaders for
why he had to kill and maybe die in battle.  I surmise from your remarks
that you hold the idea that only the defense of democracy is an adequate
reason to order young American men into combat in the same contempt as
did Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon.  But at least you don't lie about
it.  
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From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:51:53 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <BuCrEo.DI3@beach.csulb.edu> sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:

[commentary on Republican hecklers and an SC plane deleted]

>   However, in all fairness, it is a useful tactic. When you don't
>have anything truly positive to show for yourself, the next best
>thing is to try and drown-out the other guy.

Gee, sounds like ACT-UP.

Agitator
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:14:42 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <12158@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>As you can see, sexual orientation is not defined by this bill.
>Rape is definitely a sexual orientation; so is child molesting.
>Disgusting, immoral, horrifying sexual orientations -- but
>nonetheless, sexual orientation.  AB 101, at least, defined
>what it meant.

They're behaviors. Rape is not a sexual orientation. Neither is
child molestation. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation.

Funny, yours is exactly the rhetoric that was used by Boston University's
beloved President, John Silber. A number of student groups pressed the
university to include sexual orientation in the non-discrimination clauses,
but Silber brought up the red herring that he'd have to hire people into
bestiality and pedophilia. When reworded and defined explicitly to denote
mutually informed, consenting adult sexual orientations, he still balked.
The board of trustees approved it, but to my knowledge Silber has STILL
not signed on. He said "I don't want to teach men how to fuck other
men."

Oddly enough, another semi-scandal at BU a few years back got much more
press and student interest. It was Silber's policy of banning overnight
guests OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER in dormitories and other school-owned
residences. Apparently Silber thought the students weren't responsible enough
for themselves. This in spite of the fact that he prohibited condom vending
machines on campus, because he viewed students as responsible enough to know
where to buy condoms. Ah, the self-contradictions!

Anyhow, this notorious opposite gender overnight ban, oddly enough
allowed same-sex friends over for the night, with the potential for
the very activity which Silber despises to occur!

>If you want NEA, YOU fund it.

Someone like Michael Jordan probably won't need social security. Do you hear
him complaining about paying SS taxes?

Many gay men will never have children. Do you hear them complaining about
paying for children's educational programs?

Brian
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Health care will-o-wisps
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:55:46 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:
>
>> Why do you rarely hear *Canadians* complaining about their system?
>
>	When I was in North Conway, NH on vacation, I heard plenty of
>complaints about Canadian health care.
>
>	Too-high taxes, mediocre care.  Assembly-line like conditions.  
>Waiting lists.
>	Yes this was from Canadians.

Yeah, right.

Brett's artistic licence aside, all I can say to the rest of you is:
Come up and see us sometime! (-;

Just a warning though ... you'll be hard pressed to find articles in
our papers (no, they're not government-run press (-;) about the health
situation, 'cos for us it's just not a problem ... but maybe I'll just
take the advice of some Soc.culture.canada readers in private e-mail
and leave Brett et al.  alone as long as those white collar and auto
jobs keep trickling northward ... (-;

gld
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> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: the jobs things again
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:35:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA



  The current (September 21) issue of Business Week does not 
  suggest that we are pulling out of the recession:

  Nonfarm payoll was down by 83,000 jobs in August, a month
  when "a government jobs program for teenage boosted employ-
  ment by nearly that amount.  Excluding the government,
  private sector jobs fell by a stunning 167,000".  Retail
  trade lost 71,000 jobs, manufacturing, 97,000 jobs.

  BW notes that when Sony announced 100 new jobs at a TV 
  factory near Pittsburgh, they had 20,000 applicants!

  Total adult (age 20 and older) unemployment is now higher
  than at any point during the recession. 

  And despite numerous cuts by the Fed, the M2 money supply
  is *shrinking*, not growing, it's "growth" rate turned negative
  during August for the first time during the recession (it
  had reached a low of a bit over +1% last year and then began
  an increase during last year's frantic Fed actions).   This
  does not bode well for any future job growth.   


---peter