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From: UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: mutlu has Permanent Menopause Syndrom(PMS)
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:39:18 GMT

Mutlupolis -- The National Mutluliar  Volume KILLMUTLU-XXVVI
 
Permanent mutlu-Mounopause Syndrom in the '90s
 
As the millions of women in the baby-boom generation reaches
midlife, mutlu-searchers are looking into new lies to help them
suffer bad health long after their childbearing years have come
to an end. (mutlu hasnt had my baby yet, but that is on the
workings...)
 
Most importantly, women can now choose to take estrogen after
menopause to cut their risk of bludder disease and
mutlu-oporosis...
 
Its important to remember that mutlu-menopause is not just
a disease... its a sick part of a sick woman's  aging
process. But when a woman suffers from sexual difficulties
(its called the mutlu-menopause-syndrome) severe hot flashes or
urinary incontinence triggered by mutlumenopause, she needs to
know that prompt treatment can help her avoid severe problems in
the years to come.
 
Reporting from the Mutlupolitan Hospital of Mutlupolis,
 
Nick Gavrielatos (aka Gav*)
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
 
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From: lolonis@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Panagiotis Lolonis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Macedonia according to a 1940 National Geographic map
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:37:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

>From: M.Gusev@loughborough.ac.uk (Marjan Gusev)

>But you must agree that now the greeks do not live in 
>what you call Vardarska or republic of Skopje. Ok.

Only a very small number of Greeks leaves there.

>Then if you do not mind these people live on geographical
>name Macedonia and they call themself as macedonians.

What is the geographical area of the region that you call "Macedonia"?

How do you define "Macedonians", that is, what is the set of people that
you include under the term "Macedonians"?

What are their attributes (in terms of heritage, language, religion,
culture) that distinguish them from other neighboring people?

>So if you do not have any claims on these teritorias
>then why border yourself about the name?

Because the name has a different meaning in Greek and we get confused
when you use it differently.  Also, we are concerned that it may be used
by future Skopjen governments to promote territorial or minority claims
against Greece.

> Or you think
>that your name is only yours and noone else can use it.
>Let's say that you use the name lolonis. So probably
>you also do not agree that someone else can use this name !!!

It depends on the circumstances.  If the name is used to market products
(e.g. wine) then the person who uses it probably will be in trouble 
with my relatives who sell wine with that name.

I speculate the same will happen if one uses the name IBM to label 
computers that he/she manufactures.

>------------------------------------------------------------------
>And a question to everyone->IS WAR AND BLOOD THE LAST EC CONDITION
>TO RECOGNIZE THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA ?
>-------------------------------------------------------------------

NO.  The EC wants piece in that region.  Greece too.
It is the responsibility of the people of the Republic of Skopje to prove
that the recognition of their country would bring harmony in the region.

>Marjan

Panos Lolonis,
Department of Geography
The University of Iowa

>P.S. I am macedonian and my name is neither bulgar nor serbian nor 
>greek. It is Macedonian (slavic).

What does the name mean?  Do you know how old it is?
Would you tell us something about your ancestors (where they were living,
what they were doing)?  History helps understanding the present. 
 
>P.P.S. (Private provocative question)
>Do you mean that Vardar Macedonia is a republic that should
>be established along the river Vardar ? So where is then Solun ?

No, I do not think that I would agree with such an idea.

>It used to be once upon a time mostly with macedonians,
>but now it is greek, or Thesalloniki as you call.

Well, you have to explain to us who do you include under the term
"macedonians" before we could continue the discussion on this subject.

>e-mail: m.gusev@lut.ac.uk
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MUSLIM MINORITY2
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:48:05 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:


>There is a law in Greece that says:
>"When a muslim "mufti" in Greece is accepted by the muslims
>it must also be accepted by the government,
>not just by the muslim people.
>Can somebody explain why? 

For exactly the same reason that the turkish government 
selects the Ecumenical Patriarch from a list of three 
candidates given by the electorate. It happened just
a few months ago, when the old Patriarch died. Usually,
both governments accept the one elected.

If you are wondering why about this procedure, check 
the treaty signed between Turkey and Greece. Sure, I 
don't thing that the governments should have to say 
anything on the religious governance but changing 
the current system requires the agreement of both 
governments.

				 Bye,
				Yannis.
From: vlasis.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: ALAS HELLAS : PAST SINS
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:21:33 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (GAVRILAKIS Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL) writes:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> About a year ago an article appeared in the International Herald Tribune of
> Europe about (among other things) the misuse of the US$ 12.5bn (?? figure
> not certain but huge) aid that Greece recieved from the EEC during the 80s.
> An article on the squandered money has recently appeared in a French language
> journal. I will post extracts of my translation of this article sometime next
> week on this channel.
> 
> Alas Hellas (from an EC official).
> Yrs, Spyros Gav. EPFL, Switzerland.
> ~

>> hey you spyros 

>> who died and made you judge of countries ? If you dont like
>> GREECE's  economy dont visit our country. We dont need your 
>> petty cash... 

>> Get a life , and stop devoting your time putting down the country
>> that tought you the right to express your sophomoric conclusions.

>> By the way which country do you FEEL you represent ?

>> Vlasis Theodore 

>> PS : To moyni kathete kanei post oti malakia diabasei sto typo.
>>      Gia kanena Gyftoskopiano tha prokeitai.
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Dear Ms. Hassiotis
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:36:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Apr16.143653.7403@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, djy@ecfa.jsc.nasa.gov (Deme
trios Yannakopoulos) writes:
>Dear Sophia,
>
>I would like to comment on your reaction/response to N. Gavrielatos.
>
>Even though justified, I think it is a lost case. I have been reading
>his postings since early 1989 when he first appeared on s.c.g. He is
>arrogant, immature, illiterate (especially in greek,) pompous, sexually
>disoriented (to say the least,) unable to discuss issues, always resolving
>on personal attacks, lacking real knowledge of history/politics/social
>problems.  His world revolves around cheap homosexual innuendos, tasteless
>attempts to smear an individual with unsubstantiated personal attacks,
>slanders, and sycophancies.
>In sort, he is a typical coffee-shoppe thug (!) (in greek, "vtans tou
>kafeveiou!!!")
>
>I really wish you luck on trying to give to this brainless creature a
>piece of your mind. However, I think that the end results would be
>frustration for you and the sickening self admiration left in him (i.e.
>"If everybody is talking about me, then I must be important!!!...")
>
>I started reading this newsgroup almost 7 years ago, I even actively
>participated in the discussions on the Cyprus issue for a period.
>Unfortunately, people like Nick Gavrielatos (...and his counterpart
>on the side of the fence: Hasan Mutlu) deterred any further thoughts
>of mine to continue posting here.
>In _my_ opinion, because of people like N. Gavrielatos, people like
>T. Laliotis, M. Bar, A. Delis, S. Triantafyllopoulos (and other whose
>names I don't recall at this point,) have stopped (or reduced the the
>rate of) posting their mild, firm, and well-mannered articles.
>
>The only "funny" thought on this problem is that the turks have their
>own version of this... disease, it is called Hasan B. Mutlu!!!
>
>Friendly,
>
>Demetrios
>--
>       Demetrios Yannakopoulos                 LOCKHEED
>       djy@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov      Engineering & Sciences Company
>       djy@hdaw4.jsc.nasa.gov          2400 NASA Rd 1, Houston,
>          (713) 333-6832                    TX 77058-3799
>

   I would agree that Nick's attitude is at times immature and that the
   particular posting about ...PMS was inconsiderate towards women. I would
   therefore also like to commenD (and not comment) Sophia for her very
   mature reaction. However, the turkish disease is without parallel and
   certainly nobody matches it.

   regards,

   Dimitrios Kouvatsos
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From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (GAVRILAKIS Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: GREECE-TURKEY Comparisons?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:21:44 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne




I have never been able to fathom why fellow greeks are so obsessed with
comparisons between Greece and Turkey. Why if Greece produces more high
tech tricycles or has more cinemas per cubic foot of sea is a better country?
Anyhow, whether Greece does better than Turkey is not an issue at all,
but that Greece is now the poorest EEC country - and probably being left
farther behind and possibly eventually out - is a dead serious matter.
I would accept any measurement on the "niceness" (even affected) of the
population as the real worth of the country in the comparisons, as all Balkan
countries are not economically so advanced.

I have been watching the news on Greece for a number of years and I cannot
recall any good news from Greece over the past 5 (forget about basket, Wilson or
Popovich are not Greek names. Also it is not a meaningful measure.)
In all this gloom - with no end in sight - there is one measure that Greeks
can take some scraps of comfort from : this is emigration.
Greece has been a member of the EEC since 1980 but from 1988 there has been
complete freedom of movement of Greek nationals - meaning that they can seek
work and settle in any of the other (then) 9 countries. To the surprise of the
commision hardly anyone from the southern EEC countries (meaning Greece and
Southern-Italy) has moved. It was originaly hoped that the poorer southerners
will fullfil the immigrand needs of the northern countries - a thing that did
not happened. ( I do not know what the situation is with those leaving for
higher education abroad.) So it seems that Greeks are now content in their homeand I was told as much by several people when visiting last summer.

The following is for bigots only DO NOT READ : It seems that Germany, France,
Italy and even Greece has a Turkish illegal-alien problem. Not to mention
those seeking political asylum in their thousands.
You should not have read this last bit.

Yrs, Spyros, Gav. EPFL Switzerland.
~
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Mutlu-malak, your throat is mine...
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:20:00 GMT

>From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
>Subject: Pathological Liars Have Short Wings, 'Morning:' 'Mythomania.'
>Date: 8 Apr 92 23:45:00 GMT
<1992Apr8.093451.453@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
 
>Bring tears to my eyes and a lump to my throat.
 
Mutlu-malak, I wont let anyone put anything to your throat!
I have priority, seniority, whatever you want to call it,
but your throat is in no danger.... (from others)
 
>Pathological liars have short wings, 'morning.'
YOU ASSHOLE, YOU ARE THE MOST PATHOLOGICAL LIER EVER SEEN THE
UGLY TURKIYAKI-CHICKEN DAYLIGHT!!! YOU MUTLU cannot say one single
god damn piece of truth... even after everyone gets your bullshit
sources, and proves your filthy allegations as allien-thoughts!!!
 
>Now, where were we?
 
I dont know about you mutlu, but i am in the point where i'm about
to dump on you!
 
Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
 
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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: 7:10 (was Re: 21 divisions held by...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:21:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Apr9.014319.12757@cns.umist.ac.uk>, ko@cns.umist.ac.uk
(Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>
>US and allies have
>paid that small and insignificant country that happens to lie on the
>west of the Aeagean amounts of dollars (and pounds and marks and ...) 
>much more than it deserved. That country (ok, it is Greece, I won't leave
>you in pain) got its military help with 7/10 to Turkiye. It has 1/6
>of Turkiye's population but 7/10 of the help.

You make it sound as if Turkey is getting 3/10. The ratio of military
aid to Greece compared to that of Turkey is 7/10. This, however, was
until this year really not the case. Because the 7 that Greece received
was mostly in repayable credits while the 10 that Turkey received was
mostly free aid.

So, it is recommended that Kutluk Ozguven stop whining.

Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: 89u1569@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: " Akousate ... Akousate"
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:38:42 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Apr13.142538.13525@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras) writes:
> Peri tinos prokeitai Levon? Me sygxwreis alla den katalaba.
> Epi pleon exe yp' opsin ta eksis:
> 
> Eite ta Skopia, allaksoun onoma eite oxi, tha itan anoisia na
> thewrithei oti ksemperthepsame me dautous.
> 
> Apo o,ti fainetai syntoma tha tous anagnwrisoun me to onoma
> Makedonia, ektos (isws) an deiksoume oti eimaste apofasismenoi
> na min tous anagnwrisoume me to onoma Makedonia. Alla, akoma (i
> xeiroteri periptwsi) anagnwristoun, tipote den xathike.
> 
> 1. Ef oson i Ellada den tous anagnwrizei, episima oute kai i
> EOK tous anagnwrizei
> 
> 2. Synergasia gia ta dikaia twn Ellinwn meionotikwn ekei pera
> tha apotelouse moxlo piesis (estw kai ean stin pragmatikotita
> mono mia elliniki oikogeneia yparxei ekei). Allwste, ean
> Makedones einai monon oi Ellines, to na anagnwristoun ta Skopia
> me to onoma auto, simainei gia emas oti exoun anagnwristei
> diethnws Ellinika dikaiwmata ekei (toulaxiston auto mporouse na
> einai mia emmesi, plin safis propaganda mas).
> 
> 3. Ypostiriksi kai twn Albanwn gia aneksartiti/autonomi
> "Ilyria", kai den symmazeutai...
> 
> Tipote den xathike. Antitheta, isws einai kai kalytera giati
> etsi oi Ellines enwnontai kai oi politikoi mas ksupnane (?).

	kala kai wraia.Ma to prwi ksipnisa me ta ellinika nea. 
O SAMARAS PARETI8HKE (H apoli8hke) Den blepw thn logikh pisw apo authn thn
anagnorhsh. O Samaras dhlose oti to 8ewrei periergo oti enw febgei apo thn
Kubernhshurgos, akolou8ou ta metra tou !!!


> 
> Bale Armenia, Gewrgia, Persia, Syria, Kourdous (kai isws
> Boulgarous) kai etoimazetai xontro panigyri... Arkei na mas
> fygei kai to komplex tou oti eimaste mikri xwra kai i yperopsia
> tou xouligkanikou typou: "Tha tous fame". Isxuri oikonomia,
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Den kserw giati alla mekane na gelasw. A8anath Ellas me ta halia sou ta mabra
pote den pe8eneis.

> propaganda, enisxusi antipalwn kai statheri "Byzantini" politiki.
> 
> --
> UUCP:      pef@qmw-dcs.uucp  | Computer Science Dept    |
> Internet:  pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | QMW University of London |
> JANET:     pef@uk.ac.qmw.dcs | Mile End Road            |
> Voice:     +44 71 975 5220   | London E1 4NS            |
> FAX:       +44 81 980 6533   |                          |
> Cellphone: To be fitted soon

Gia hara kia as elpisoume gia to kalitero.
		Gewrgios T.
From: "alex bosika" <alex.bosika@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: macedonia
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:48:52 EST
Reply-To: "alex bosika" <alex.bosika@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

 I made a mistake the first time. But why is your name PXP111, sir?
 What are you hiding your name?

 I want to know your REAL name. Thank you.
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: Macedonia according to a 1940 National Geographic Map
Organization: Washington University in St. Louis
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:08:58 GMT


>From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)

>In the map of the Roman Empire in The Times Concise Atlas of World
>History, the Roman province of Macedonia clerly includes most, maybe
>all of present-day Republic of Macedonia. (And possibly some of Serbia
>too.) Since the current borders are not included, it is  a bit difficult
>to draw exact conclusions. It is however safe to say that the spot where
>Skopje is today was part of Roman Macedonia, since the Vardar/Aixos river
>is one the map, and the border is just north of the northenmost "hook" 
>of Vardar. Skopje is located on Vardar some 20-30 km south-west of
>this "hook".

Just a note:

Erland, this doesn't mean anything. The names and boundaries 
of administrative provinces in the
Roman empire - and later - were largely arbitary or, at least, never
much related to ethnicity/culture/historic borders. The whole of 
Greece was, at some point,  in the "prefecture of Illiricum" 
although Greece never
had anything to do with Ilyria and the Illyrians.
Also, don't forget that the areas of today's slavomacedonia were
previously occupied by Alexander's (real) Macedonia, and this could
well give reasons for such names.
Remember that later, in the Byzantine empire an Armenian (!) province,
in the depths of Anatolia was named "Macedonia". If you look at provinces
then you would find a lot of (almost) arbitary names like that.

Regards,
L. Skartsis

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: mt3f@ggsun.ee.Virginia.EDU (Michail Tsatsanis)
Subject: Re: ...Today They Would Call You 'Dundar,' 'Dandulakis.'
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.064216.6775@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

>Ma einai dunaton olo to Internet na mporei na afaithei ermaio kai
>paraluto se enan parano'i'ko, o opoios exei sxedon axrhsteusei 
>oxi mono logw ogkou ta newsgroups, alla kai logw katatromokrathshs
>oioudhpote hthele na grapsei kati pou pithanon O Mutlu to eklambane
>ws "sfhna" sthn "agaph" tou;

...

>Eleos Thee mou, Eleos!   Kamia astunomeush sto Internet den problepetai;
>Oi idiokthtes tou den sunantiontai kathe toso na suzhthsoun anaduomena
>problhmata apo thn leitourgia tou, wste kai fainomena "Mutlu" kai Sia
>na mporoun na eksafanizontai;
>
>Aphudismenos kai stenaxwrhmenos apo thn ideologikh tromokratia.
>
>Grhgorhs

Erxomai kai egw va evwsw tn fwvn mou me to Grngorn. H katastasn
me to Multu exei givei aparadektn. To s.c.g. dev diabazetai pleov.

As mas sumboulepsouv oi pio sxetikoi gia to ti
mporoume va kavoume kai ti problepetai apo tous 
kavovismous.

Eleos!

Mixalns Tsatsavns

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: kardaras@dorrenbacher.ecn.purdue.edu (George S Kardaras)
Subject: Greek books
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:32:35 GMT

Hello,

I wonder if there are any bookstores in the US selling 
greek books.

If so, do they accept orders by mail?

Thanking you in advance,
George S. Kardaras
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3309 rec.arts.books:7940
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: ...Today They Would Call You 'Dundar,' 'Dandulakis.'
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:42:16 GMT


Allo ena deigma diastrofhs tou Mutlu.

Egrapsa ena gramma-apanthsh ston Parabliek, kai to dhmosieusa sta
newsgroups pou thewrhsa preponta, dhl. Ellhniko, Boulgariko, Tourkiko.

Pairnw mia apanthsh apo ton Mutlu (tou opoiou h katatromokrathsh olwn
twn groups ana thn ufhlio, me kanei oute na dianohthw na suzhthsw mazu),
h opoia apanthsh dhmosieutai se duo toulaxiston doseis groups *ksexwrista*.
H mia htan sto S.C.Europe, Soviet kai Boulgaria, kai h allh htan sto 
talk.politics. mideast, talk.politics, talk.politics.soviet, kai S.C.Greek.

Kai bebaia oxi mono ekopse kai erapse ta groups opws hthele, oxi mono
apanthse se gramma pou den anaferotan, alla bebaiws ekopse duo klips
apo ta grafomena mou, kai afou prospathse na kataeirwneutei to onoma
mou, sto telos egrapse katebato hlithias xondroeidous filoOthomanikhs
"bibliografias". 

En oligois: Ap'to xwrio sou erxomai kai sthn korfh kanella!

Ma einai dunaton olo to Internet na mporei na afaithei ermaio kai
paraluto se enan parano'i'ko, o opoios exei sxedon axrhsteusei 
oxi mono logw ogkou ta newsgroups, alla kai logw katatromokrathshs
oioudhpote hthele na grapsei kati pou pithanon O Mutlu to eklambane
ws "sfhna" sthn "agaph" tou;

Einai adunaton na einai ena atomo. O ogkos tou na diabazeis ola
ta sxetika newsgroups, na grafeis makroskeleis apanthseis kai na 
apodeltiwneis sxetikh bibliografia, odhgei me apoluth sigouria oti
einai polla atoma pou grafoun katw apo thn omprella-onoma Mutlu
kai katw apo enan koino manager-editor.
Kai ola auta giati; Giati kapoioi einai parano'i'koi!!!

Eleos Thee mou, Eleos!   Kamia astunomeush sto Internet den problepetai;
Oi idiokthtes tou den sunantiontai kathe toso na suzhthsoun anaduomena
problhmata apo thn leitourgia tou, wste kai fainomena "Mutlu" kai Sia
na mporoun na eksafanizontai;

Aphudismenos kai stenaxwrhmenos apo thn ideologikh tromokratia.

Grhgorhs