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From: verwey@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary-Ann Verwey)
Subject: Re: Robinton & Film Comments
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:54:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <robg.722137275@citr.uq.oz.au> robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty) writes:
>tabbifli+@cs.cmu.edu (Melissa Tabbifli) writes:
>
>>Away back when the 'let's cast the film' discussion was going on, someone
>>(or, rather, several someones) suggested Sean Connery as Robinton.  A 
>>question came up on if he could sing or not.. Answer: He could in 1959
>>when he starred in Walt Disney's _Darby O'Gill and the Little People_. 
>>The song was fairly short.. "Pretty Irish Girl".   It's on one of the 
>>_A Legacy in Song_ CDs that were recenty released by Disney. I make no
>>claims on his skill! :) 
>
>Thanks!  I think I asked the question.  Still, however much I like Sean
>Connery it seems like someone more musically inclined would be better
>suited to the part - and *definitely* someone who is able to impersonate
>other people's voices *really* well.  Robinton's ability to do this is a
>very important factor in his speeches in Dragonflight.  How about Sean
>Connery as Lytol? 

Connery as Robinton... nahhh can't see it, I've heard this man
sing and he can't :) As Lytol sure, but I would like to see him
doing another role for this movie... hmmm maybe Fandarel? How
about Christoper Walkin as ... argh I forgot this guys name...
the bad guy, not Fax, but the other one... *blushes* ... And
Peter O'Toole as Robinton would be good :)

>>There were also suggestions on Peter O'Toole for the part, due to his 
>>ability to do 'drunk' well.  It occurs to me that during the entire 
>>series, I'd never seen Robinton drunk.  Slightly tipsy, once, from
>>attempting to drink Lytol under the table (ref: Jaxom's Impression), but
>>never actually drunk.  While it's fairly clearly stated that he liked 
>>his wine - specifically, Benden Red - it never says he drinks to excess. 
>>Nor does it really imply it - more that he's a 'gourmet'.
>>	It's been a while since I've read the books, so there might
>>be a memory hole.. Anyone care to support or kill this?
>
>Robinton's ability to drink is legendary - only Fandarel could equal
>him.  He does *pretend* to be under the effects on a couple of
>occaisions, but he is *never* really drunk.  The episode with Lytol
>seemed to be an act to get Lytol to relax.

*nods* He was legendary where drinking was concerned... I think
he was only protrayed drunk twice... once when all h*ll broke
loose after the egg was snatched and one other occasion, but I
could be wrong... been awhile since I read the books...

>Rob

*waves to Rob :)*

Mary-Ann
Ezmeralda - Lady of Telgar Hold/Master Healer - Dragonsfire
Rhia - Gold Rider, Jr. Weyrwoman, Ista Weyr - Dragonsfire

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From: jmw-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Question: What's PernMUSH? HELP!
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:55:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

As a newbie to this news lark, can *someone* please tell me what the
PERNMUSH or PERNMUSE actually is? I've a sneaking suspicion that I know
roughly what sort of area it might lie in, but I'm not telling for fear
of being flamed into unconsciousness.

       PLEASE BE CHARITABLE TO A POOR SEMI-IGNORANT NEWBIE!
                       TELL ME WHAT's GOING ON!
                  
 Don't Dream It... Be It.
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From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:39:23 GMT

I would swear I've read in DragonsDawn that Kitti Ping made
green dragons genetically sterile because they were fighters.
If you remember, the gold dragons didn't chew firestone originally 
because they *couldn't*, not becausethey weren't allowed. They just 
spit up piles of crunched stone. 
Years later, after all the records were lost, the only logical
reason that greens didn't have clutches was firestone -- the only
visible difference other than color and size between the golds 
and the greens. And little green firelizards, an example of greens
who could clutch, had likewise disappeared into obscurity.
I'll try to find my copy of DragonsDawn and dig up a page ref.

Ellen -- Kiandra@SouCon
eporter@andy.bgsu.edu
From: dragon@angus.mi.org (John Lussmyer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dragon sculpture
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:01:30 GMT
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

bchoinsk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Burton Choinski) writes:

> In article <1992Nov13.115316.1813@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu
> >How many have attempted to make their own dragons/fire-lizards?  How many ha
> >seen really bad ones at cons?
> 
> You mean those ones that look like snakes with stubby wings?  Pathetic.
> 
> My wife and I thought we could do better, and using the DLG as a guide to
> get the proportions right came up with a pattern.  The final result has
> a wingspan of about 2 feet (I scaled the pattern based on the illistrations
> in the DLG).
> 
> Using jewel eyes, I think it came out well.  We sent off a letter to AM
> to get permission to sell a few at Cons but have still gotten no response.

Sounds a lot like the ones I made back in 1980-81.  I used flexwire for
the backbone, and bits of umbrella struts for the wing bones.  This
gave me a pair (green & brown) of firelizards about 2 feet long, with a
slightly larger wingspan.  The wings can be folded or spread as I
did quite a bit of work on all the pivots and joints.  I used small 
plastic gems for the eyes, and steel for the teeth and claws.  Note:
the teeth and claws are SHARP!  This allows them to hang on curtains,
and keep a grip on that finger that someone pokes into their mouths... 
:-)
They are getting a little worn, so I now keep them in a display case
at home.

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Movie - MUSH Address - Deaths - UUCP
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:58:30 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1ejm8pINN1bh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, ballt@ucs.orst.edu (Teresa Ball) writes:
> 
> IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> 
>> As for the death of Robinton, and the self-deletion of AIVAS in ATWoP, I
>>literally cried over that one myself. It was a real pity to see the way Robinto
>>n was treated in that book, I was shocked to think the McC. could even consider
>>having him treated like that. Using that as a base, I'd likely cast my lot ther
>>e that it was written by a ghost writer.
> 
> Ann was at the Westcon 45 last summer, and took part in a discussion about
> killing of characters.  She explained why she had Robintion die.  During a
> good portion of the discusion she was crying herself.  She said that as a
> writer, she also became attached to Robinton, who was like one of the
> family.  At about the time she was writing AtWoP, her own brother died, and
> in writing Robinton death scene, was able to releive some of the pain of
> her brother's death.
> 
> But as a P.S., I think the the method of having Robinton go out with
> Avais was the only possible way for him to go.  It was dignified and
> peaceful.
> 
> Terry


There was sort of a poetic justice about it. AIVAS had completed his 
programming, ridding Pern of thread. Robinton had also completed his course
in life, bringing Pern into a new age. Both were old, and had held out
longer than would normally be considered of either of them. They were
kindred spirits who travelled the same path to the same end.

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
From: maillet@cs.dal.ca (ANDRE MARC MAILLET)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dragonflight comic
Keywords: comic Eclipse any good?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:59:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <BxtLGA.J0n@willamette.edu>, jpatters@willamette.edu (Jane Patterson) writes:
|> One of my favorite comic artists, Lela Dowling, stopped working on
|> Eclipse's Fusion because she was doing a graphic novel of Dragonflight.
|> Has anyone seen it? And if so, is it any good?
|> 
|> Jane

 You didn't say when this news came out. If this is very recent, there has 
 already been a graphic novel for Dragonflight and, last I've heard, Dragonquest.
 The artwork was magnificent in both. The storyline, despite being more
 simplistic, was adequate. This was quite a while ago. I'm not sure, but I think
 Dragonquest was out last spring. I couldn't say whether they are the same as
 what you mention.

Jazzy Tas.
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From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...and thanks!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:13:54 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: I finally finished DragonsDawn, so now I know.  :-P

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
[...]
>Where in _Dragonsdawn_ does it talk about infertile greens? I don't recall
>anything about that. Of course, I tend to ignore anything after the first
>eight books, but still, it disturbs me to see my memory fail so blatantly.

It doesn't.  There were only Golds, Bronzes, and Browns (as far as *dragons*
go) in DragonsDawn.  It was brought up that Kitty Ping had instilled a 
descriminating element in her program which made Golds *unable* to chew
firestone.  They just barf (and I'm quoting!) grey mush.

Since this came as a *surprise*, I take it that *all* colors of firelizard
were able to chew firestone.  It was also stated that Kitty Ping's program
was to increase the dragons' size to its optimum (whatever *that* is...),
and the easiest way to guarantee size increase was to make sure that only
the Golds could lay eggs.  Thus, the bit about firestone making females
infertile (alas) is probably just a Pernese wives-tale.

BTW:  Lightning doesn't "split" the air.  The massive static charge build-
	up between the air and ground causes some air to *ionize* (become
	positively/negatively charged by losing/gaining electrons and by
	splitting non-covalent molecular bonds).  This (usually) thin but
	jagged line of ionized air is more conductive, so a high current
	flows through it which agitates and heats it, causing it to glow
	brightly and to expand rapidly.  It's this rapid expansion (an
	explosion, of sorts) which causes the sound of thunder.

	A.M.'s description of dragons going between really can't be
	reconciled with the physics of gasses and sound.  If they just
	"vanish", or "wink out" as the books say, there should be an
	appreciably loud noise which would sound similar to popping
	a cork from a bottle.  The re-entry would indeed sound like
	thunder.  I've dismissed the possibility that the dragons
	*exchange* a volume of air from the destination for their own
	volume, because there had evidently been cases of ill-practiced
	weyrlings materializing inside rock.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:25:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

In article <6525@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk (sandman) writes:
>It says somewhere (don't ask me where)...
>
> If the lesser dragons were allowed to breed that pern would be overrun with
> greens, or some such thing.

Note that this conjecture was proven by demonstration on PernMUSH.

Look at the little green firelizards.

Augh.


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From: sandman@sx.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:17:01 GMT
Reply-To: sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk (sandman)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

It says somewhere (don't ask me where)...

 If the lesser dragons were allowed to breed that pern would be overrun with
 greens, or some such thing.

 Did someone say Ann has Email access.. if so doesn't she have `news' access??



 - The Sandman
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: stanley@plains.NoDak.edu (Brian Stanley)
Subject: Re: Fan Fluff - a PS
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:20:25 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov20.193033.2872@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> jmars@mta.ca writes:
>-Jen
>-Shandra@PernMUSH
>
>Pet Peeve of the Day: If Asimov is Asimov and Heinlein is Heinlein,
>why do people call McCaffrey Anne? 'Course it is shorter...:-)

Shandra, you silly!  It's because we love her! :)

-Brian
-Brendon@PernMUSH
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo)
Subject: Re: Betweening
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:06:25 GMT


that nice crack is the sound of plasmolized and expanding air as the 
enormous temperature of the plasma at the end of the lightningbolt goes
by.

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From: rr@chem.ucsd.edu (Roxanne Rohmann)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Who is Jody Lynn Nye?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:22:53 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept, UC San Diego
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In article <page-171192103850@pulsar.sas.upenn.edu> page@student.physics.upenn.edu (Chris Page) writes:
 > 
 > For some reason (probably either due to an idea by McCaffrey or her
 > publishers), it seems that McCaffrey has recently been
 > writing books with a whole string of women writers. The six books so
 > far are all connected to some of McCaffrey's earlier works, and are:
 > 
 [List deleted]

 > Interestingly enough, I personally thought Sassinak was far worse
 > than any books done individually by either Moon or McCaffrey,
 > defying my usual rule of thumb on colaborations - that it's as bad

I *do* find it interesting that the one you didn't care for
was Sassinak (co-authored by Elizabeth Moon).  Of the 
collaborations, the two I didn't care for were the ones 
co-authored by Jody Lynn Nye.  I'm not even sure I could
explain why; they just seemed choppy and sort of juvenile, 
somehow.

   ---Roxanne Rohmann
From: v099mvpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jill M. Markowski)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: dragon names
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:21:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY At Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I have spent the last few weeks compiling a list of dragon names
that never made it off the drawing board. This is posted in jest and I
do not mean to offend anyone. Any way, have fun with them. If anyone
comes up with more send them over and I can post a part 2 list.

 	Enjoy,          
				Marko






	This is a list of dragon's names that time forgot.

	Truth		the Boy Scout dragon
	Depth		the introspective dragon
	Width		the biggest dragon	
	Length		the long dragon
	Yawnth		the tired dragon
	Knowsth		the know-it-all dragon
	Both		the athletic dragon
	Perth		the Austrailian dragon
	North		the Iran-contra dragon
	Bath		the cleanest dragon
	Math		the dragon that everyone hates
	Mirth		the happy dragon
	South		the warm dragon
	Couldth	 \	
	Shouldth  \
	Wouldth    \
	Shallth    /	Canth's forgotten cousins
	Doth      /
	Mighth   /
	Onth	\	
	Offth   /  	as different as night and day (nighth?, dayth?)
	Teeth		the golfing dragon
	Oopsth		the klutzy dragon
	Yipeth		the scared dragon
	Forth		the "let's go" dragon
	Eleventh	the Negitiveland dragon	
	Soarth		the best flyer
	Xanth		the "myth-understood" dragon
	Myth		the least known dragon
	Broth		the soup dragon
	Bereshith	the Biblical dragon
	Heath		the candy dragon
	Health		the dragon everyone sees at the club
	Puffth		the magic dragon
	Succotath	the vegetable dragon
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...and thanks!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:27:59 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

In article <1eirr2INNc78@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>It was brought up that Kitty Ping had instilled a 
>descriminating element in her program which made Golds *unable* to chew
>firestone.  They just barf (and I'm quoting!) grey mush.

Ew, Pern mush.

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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Population explosion?
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:50:54 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

This falls in the realm of projective speculation. 

Now that the Pernese(?) have access to the data stored in Aivas, the
technological and medical levels should increase dramatically, even if
the distribution of knowledge is limited and heavy metals are rare.
There would also probably be increases in agriculture production because
the need to protect fields from thread no longer poses a limit on the size
of a farming hold. 

Now, based on our own history, the increase in industrial and medical
technologies and the improvement of farming methods allowed the population of
Earth to more than quadruple in the short space of 100 years. Anybody have
any ideas on what Pern would look like after 200 years?

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca

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From: jpatters@willamette.edu (Jane Patterson)
Subject: Dragonflight comic
Keywords: comic Eclipse any good?
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:48:10 GMT

One of my favorite comic artists, Lela Dowling, stopped working on
Eclipse's Fusion because she was doing a graphic novel of Dragonflight.
Has anyone seen it? And if so, is it any good?

Jane



-- 
--Jane Patterson--jpatters@willamette.edu--Art History/CompSci--
             Lord, what fools these mortals be!

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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Dragonflight original paperback...
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:33:37 GMT

    I was poking around a used book store the other day and lo and behold
I came across an original first printing (July 1968) paperback of
Dragonflight. The guy sold it to me for $1.25 (its got a 75 cents cover
price...)

    Its a little yellowed, but otherwise in good condition... the funniest
part of all is the 'other books by Anne McCaffrey' section. It lists ONE
book - RESTOREE

    Oh well... this is the first 'first printing' I've managed to stumble
across of anything of hers pre-1980...

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From: JLINTHI1@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Information Please
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:52:53 GMT

Greetings and salutations, y'all!
 
This is my first posting on the Pern section. I just learned
about this service and have been seeing quite a bit of
mentions of groups (MUSH?) available via the computer. Does
anyone have more information. (Yes, there was an introduction
message that explained all this, but apparently I missed my
opportunity to print out a copy for myself.) Anyway, anyone
who can tell what in the world that's all about, I would be
grateful.
               Yours,
 
                  Julia E. Linthicum
 
                  Internet: jlinthi1@ ua1vm.ua.edu
 
           "Careful the things you say, children will listen,
            Careful the things you do, children will see and learn.."
                        Stephen Sondheim  INTO THE WOODS
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Allowed on the group (was Re: Betweening)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:34:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov19.133500.1921@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>Question for the group: Any fan fluff allowed on pern in this group, or is it
>all MUD/MUSHING around?
>
>--Akane 

Nope, it's any sort of fan stuff about Pern.  There just happens to be a
lot of MUSH talk because, well, it was the PernMUSHers who decided that Anne
needs an alt.fan.* group and started this.  But you're free to discuss any-
thing about Pern here that you like, MU* related or not.  (Be careful about
fanfic set on Pern, this could anger McCaffrey's clueless lawyers.)

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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Betweening
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:41:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92Nov19.170020.32492@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.194647.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>Why isn't there a sonic boom due to the sudden vacuum when a 
>>dragon goes between?
> 
> Because thats not what causes a sonic boom - the sound you're
> hearing when a jet flies past is the edge of a 'cone' of sound
> formed as the air is forced to move around the plane faster than
> it wants to (ie, the speed of sound). This shockwave propagates
> down to ground level, where you hear it as a sonic boom after the
> aircraft has passed overhead - its _not_ just when the plane
> breaks the sound barrier. (Note: this is only a rough explanation
> of the phenomenon, buyers beware.)

In that case, what causes the nice crack that thunder makes?

--Semhaza
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