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From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:00:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65862@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep14.201050.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

9209.14 e.v.

Semhaza writes:

The reason we respond is because it sometimes gets boring here and it's
something to do. However, I think the current discussion with dart, locklin,
and evan has gotten entirely out of hand. And to think I was excited when I saw
how many new posts this group had tonight!

Yes, this group is morbid (look it up in the dictionary, if you don't know the
usage), and we do a lot of mental masturbating, but I'm not gonna give it up...



Response:

Boring is why I tend to stay away.  Are Satanists naturally boring?
I did look up 'morbid'.  Roughly equable to 'diseased'.  I'm not sure that
says much for you if you admit all this and then turn around and say
'but I'm not gonna give it up'.

On the other hand, I admire your diligence.  I am inspired to ask you,
however, in the face of so much worthlessness, why bother?  And does
the lack of substance in most of these posts reflect a lack of substance
in the Satanism of those who post here.  If you can't find anything of
value to say, why bother saying it?   Can't you find anything more 
exciting to do?  (not a crime if so)  

I'm sorry, but I consistently get the impression that the majority of
people who are regular posters to this newsgroup are frustrated Christians
and rebellious teenagers.  (for more voluminous and sometimes more
edifying posts of the same style, see alt.atheism)


Thyagi (The Thug)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Far be it from me to attempt to coax the lot of you over to alt.magick! :>
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:45:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>are still no satanists on it.  Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
>(the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
>"of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.
>
>Evan Marshall

	Welcome back to the fires of hell, Evan.  I don't understand why you
are under the false impression that your definition of Satanism means a load
of goatshit here.  There is no such thing as "real satanism".  Please, I
would think after all this time you would have a clue.

						Raymond H. Rich
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Who Is Doctor Greenbaum?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:06:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92255.090919WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> What I want to know is who the hell *Dr. Green* is.
> 
> Bill Ellis
> FOAFtale News
> Penn State, Hazleton

All my ranting and raving was to one purpose; I was trying to answer the
question. I believe he is a fiction.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:25:09 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>> little worldview. Sure is refreshing to hear from someone whos entire world-
>> view is shaped by television & a quaint translation of an outdated hebrew
>> greek & aramaic manuscript. (as if we don't hear from enough of these idiots
>> every day)
>
>My view of the world is not shaped by TV, nor have I left this newgroup just
>because school was out.  I just wanted to see what would happen if I left you
>alone for a while.  Obviously the group has grown a lot.  It is good to see
>that more Christian-types are reading this newgroup and talking to you all.

BZZZZZTT! Incorrect. You have obviously been away for a while. Since you were
banished, Chris Colvin has been the only xtian we have to kick around, and
pretty lame at that. The main reason his thread is still about is the fact
that he crossposted to a disgusting number of groups...

>> IA PAN!
>> IA YOG SOTOTH!
>> IA CTHULHU!
>> 
>> ye servante of ye great olde ones...
>
>Is any of that for real?

You better believe it, or your life-force (what you vulgarly call a "soul")
will be sucked from the husk of your body, fodder for the old ones. Your corpse
will be left to dry, untill your sun-drenched bones can be used for flutes to
make insane music, pleasing to the chaos-god Azathoth.

>Break me.

As I suspected, a masochist; I had a lady-friend like you who said something
quite similar in a quite dissimilar situation (sorry Evan, You are not my type)

ye servante of ye great olde ones...

-Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:43:07 EDT
From: <JAB123@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: well...

   Well, everyone and their mothers have replied to the "teenage punks" thing,
so I may as well, also.  In the last sentance, this individual asks about
"satanists" motives.  I think it is entirely reasonable to feel spitefull and
resentfull toward someone or something that has been oppressing you.  I don't
claim to be a Satanist, but this seems an obvious point for anyone with any
kind of free will.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   In response to the Cthulhu worshipper (sorry, I don't have the hand of this
thing entirely yet), are you referring to the Lovecraftian fictual being, or
just using a different spelling of the Sumerian deity?



>>>>Vengeance
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:29:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

>>>alone for a while.  Obviously the group has grown a lot.  It is good to see
>>>that more Christian-types are reading this newgroup and talking to you all.
>> 

>> banished, Chris Colvin has been the only xtian we have to kick around, and
>> pretty lame at that. The main reason his thread is still about is the fact
>
>Hmm... interesting...
>
>Yo, Chris... you still out there?

Ahh I have found Evan guilty of a sin! He lied; how do youknow if more xtian
types are reading this? You haven't heard of Chris Colvin? I doubt he is still
here; because of his obnoxious trick of crossposting to something like 10
newsgroups (including sci.physics) using an alias, his compuserve account
was unceremoniously E-Bombed out of existance (BIG SMILEY)

>>>Break me.
>> 
>> As I suspected, a masochist; I had a lady-friend like you who said something
>> quite similar in a quite dissimilar situation (sorry Evan, You are not my type)
>
>Sorry for giving you the wrong impression.  "Break me" translates into "give me
>a break."   Sorry for your confusion.

No confusion on my part; it was an obvious freudian slip on your part.

BTW I fail to see why Dodger should explain what a satanist, theist, or
enlihgtened one is to you. I spent 2 weeks on this net over the summer 
explaining these things to you, and Dodger's ideas don't differ all that 
greatly from my own. If he chooses to send you mail, thats his problem; I
am sure you would benefit greatly from it...

You must accept Cthulhu as master!

-Scott


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:45:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article 
>>>Yo, Chris... you still out there?
>> 
>> Ahh I have found Evan guilty of a sin! He lied; how do youknow if more xtian
>> types are reading this? You haven't heard of Chris Colvin? I doubt he is still
>
>Why is not knowing something like that a sin?

Because; 1) you said you have been following this group (or implied this)
2) obviously you have not, since the largest # of postings lately have been
Colvin's vandalism
3) therefore you lied about 1

>> You must accept Cthulhu as master!
>
>Give me reasons.  Just because I must?

I have given you reasons; here they are again in readers digest condensed form:
If you accept Cthulhu, you become one of his minions, entitled to the many
perks and fringe benefits associated with such an association, such as 
1) preservation in the coming apocalypse
2) rule over remnants of humanity after the apocalypse
3) health, wealth, knowledge & power

you must have elders in your religious organization; I would imagine they know
much of this, as many christian groups are part of the conspiracy of the great 
old ones...

>
>Take care,
>Evan

No, take strange alkaloids so that you may become one with CTHULHU!

ye servante of ye great olde ones...

-Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:51:47 EDT
From: <MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Coming out of the closet

In article <1992Sep10.161852.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>,
rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu says:
>
>A question in alt.pagan got me thinking recently because it is relevant to me
>in a way as well.
>
>How could I tell my parents that I am a Satanist?

This depends on what you have found which you call satanism. It would
appear, from what you have said about having all sorts of magic(k)al
paraphenalia, that for you it isn't so much belief as knowledge and
power. I would think a couple of atheists could understand the
difference there...

>--Semhaza

Martin Schulte
not a satanist, but the group is interesting...
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Self?
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:30:45 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
are still no satanists on it.  Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
(the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
"of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.

Evan Marshall

Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1955 alt.atheism:16626 soc.motss:38376 sci.physics:14204 alt.religion.emacs:409 talk.religion.newage:4232 alt.pagan:8863 alt.sex:28532 talk.religion.misc:15760
From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:30:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <1992Sep04.044103.6779@cubic.com>, hees@cubic.com (Phil Hees) writes...

I wrote: 

>>When an object falls through the atmosphere (which is what happens if
>>it suddenly stop flying) it achieves terminal velocity very quickly.
>>The actual value of this terminal velocity varies depending upon the
>>object's shape -

He says:

>Saying that "the actual value of this terminal velocity varies depending
>upon the object's shape" is very misleading.  For example, in a fluid

I don't see why.  It's a true statement.  

Later I wrote:

>> - but for a person it is probably in the vacinity of 60 - 200 mph
>>(someone else may have better information - I'm sure that parachuters
>>know a better value)

To which he replied:
> 
>An experienced skydiver can vary her body orientation (varying drag) to
>speed or slow her rate of descent over a considerable range.  Your

But that's what I said!  What's going on here?  It's only OK to be misleading
when *you* do it?

Besides, as someone recently pointed out, the purpose of an explanation
is not rigor or accuracy.  It is communication.  I was responding to 
someone who didn't know that terminal velocity exists.  I didn't see the 
value of trying to explain Magnus lift and other interesting but complicated
effects.  

>Also, you misspelled vicinity.  (Usenet guidelines be damned... I _like_
>spelling flames!)

Get a life.

>>at 9.8 m/s^2 (note the units - yours were wrong) you get to terminal
>>velocity in 3 seconds (for 60 mph.)
> 
>Actually 2.7 seconds, although you are correct if you were limiting it
>to one significant digit.

See my previous comment.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: replies
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:36:14 GMT

Semhaza: I'm the one who originally posted the question on alt.pagan about
coming out of the closet. Not being a Satanist, I do not know of any books
that would help. However, most of the other advice people gave me, which
mostly had to do with not being ashamed of it, explaining my religion in
a rational manner, comparing it to something the other person already
understands, etc., have been very helpful with explaining to my friends, 
although I haven't tried them on my parents yet. I also have two pals who
are Satanists, brother and sister who live with their mother, who is Dianic
Wiccan. I'll see if they have anything useful to input.
Scott: Shub-Niggurauth is the Goat with a _Thousand_ Young, not thousand-
headed. However, you were right about the spelling for Yog-Sototh.
			Rosaleen Dhu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: sick of his name
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Keywords: cut fold and mutilate
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:41:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


(much useless exchange between Dodger the traitor and Evan the sheep deleted
so as to get to the point {hint hint})

>> 	I bet youi watch murphy brown ad forget the "E" when you spell potatoe.
>
>Ahhh...NO.

oh, you leave the "E" in when you spell potatoe?

>> 	I bet he has his own beige and green plaid dress jacket and bright 
>> 		maroon tie.  And a cheap plastiwood seventies podium frm 
>> 		which to summon the evil spirit of your Big Loa
>
>Actually, I'm wearing faded designer bluejeans, a Nike tee, a Margaret Becker
>concert sweatshirt, and Reebok tennisshoes.  Of course with a Polo cap.

who or what is margaret becker?

ye servante of ye great olde one

-Scott
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:25:42 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep11.192932.15764@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
>>>>alone for a while.  Obviously the group has grown a lot.  It is good to see
>>>>that more Christian-types are reading this newgroup and talking to you all.
>>> 
> 
>>> banished, Chris Colvin has been the only xtian we have to kick around, and
>>> pretty lame at that. The main reason his thread is still about is the fact
>>
>>Hmm... interesting...
>>
>>Yo, Chris... you still out there?
> 
> Ahh I have found Evan guilty of a sin! He lied; how do youknow if more xtian
> types are reading this? You haven't heard of Chris Colvin? I doubt he is still

Why is not knowing something like that a sin?

> here; because of his obnoxious trick of crossposting to something like 10
> newsgroups (including sci.physics) using an alias, his compuserve account
> was unceremoniously E-Bombed out of existance (BIG SMILEY)

He probably isn't around anymore.  He's probably been flamed too many times.

> 
>>>>Break me.
>>> 
>>> As I suspected, a masochist; I had a lady-friend like you who said something
>>> quite similar in a quite dissimilar situation (sorry Evan, You are not my type)
>>
>>Sorry for giving you the wrong impression.  "Break me" translates into "give me
>>a break."   Sorry for your confusion.
> 
> No confusion on my part; it was an obvious freudian slip on your part.

Must have been...whatever.


> 
> BTW I fail to see why Dodger should explain what a satanist, theist, or
> enlihgtened one is to you. I spent 2 weeks on this net over the summer 
> explaining these things to you, and Dodger's ideas don't differ all that 
> greatly from my own. If he chooses to send you mail, thats his problem; I
> am sure you would benefit greatly from it...

Thanx, Dodger, for what you did answer.

> 
> You must accept Cthulhu as master!

Give me reasons.  Just because I must?


> 
> -Scott
> 
> 

Take care,
Evan
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:42 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.


In article <BuIDvC.CCK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartany
> In article <1992Sep11.130448.6685@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.ed
>>In article <BuEysC.91G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Darta

>
>
> 	Why you not lie in name of GOD???  Bible does.

Where?  Book, chapter and verse please?

>
>>> 	But PAUL!!!!!!!  PAUL MAKES ME PUKE THE SNEAKY MOTHAFUCKA!
>>
>>Why does Paul make you puke.
>
> 	Because he puts his finger down my throat.

I don't think so.  Care to try again?  I mean with an intelligent answer that
can be discussed?
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery)
Subject: Re: ritual curse against an enemy (help wanted :-)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:51:11 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.190026.13170@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:
> In article <187j5uINN39i@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@melody.Berkeley.EDU  
(Tom Tedrick) writes:
> >Can anyone tell me (or recommend a source for) some ritual curses
> >to use against enemies (assuming this is legal, are we still free
> >to do this kind of thing these days?)
> >
> >It's getting so you can't make a move without violating some law,
> >and enemies endlessly interrupting and interfering with ones routines
> >as if they have some divine right given by the state to step on you
> >despite one not having initiated any kind of hexing or interference
> >is getting out of hand.
> 
> 
> This from the person who was just likening crowley to hitler, and saying
> that "black magicians" (sic) were trying to destroy the world?  Please, 
> give me a break. ....(sarcastic gesture, snarl).
> 
> 		-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
> 		Guardian of the Nine Gates, Master of the Dead, 
> 		Demonologist Supreme
   Well look in anything written by an ancient eastern culture.   
Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, they all had good ones.  Whether they  
all work or not, I can't tell you.  I suppose they're illegal, but just  
don't get caught.  No witnesse, ne evidence, no problem.

                 Io!  Cthulhu ftagn!
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:27:30 GMT
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>are still no satanists on it.  Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
>(the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
>"of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.
>
>Evan Marshall
>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:01:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.163155.6711@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> I don't doubt this; I'm sure Evan makes it up as he goes along.
>
>Well thank you, don't give me so much credit!?!?!?!

	He was being sarcastic.  He wasn't.
>> 
>>>Sorry again, no lie, I don't go "home" for summer.  My home is around here.
>> 
>> Ahh, so you live with mom & dad all the time!
>
>Bzzzzz... wrong again.

	No, Scott, i told you, he avoids his parents, because he hates family,
because he has no family values.  what this coutry needs are family values,
what this coutry needs is a big universal brotherhood!

>
>> Permute the "a" back one vowel and the "s" forward one consonant and you get
>> the actual word meant when he typed "trash"...
>
>Whatever!?!

	In the name of the enlightened ones you will be able to figure this out.
>> 
>> Actually, I have learned from various masters that Evan is an acolyte of the
>> old ones. His endless preaching on this & other newsgroups is a secret plot
>> to sow disgust & hatred for christianity among the usenet community, thus
>> creating more followers for Cthulhu.
>
>Again...whatever!?!

	Do not be deciaved.  Come into the hi-fold.

>> of course its real, Evan. You are an unwitting part of it!
>
>Wrong again.

	When you enter the brotherhood of the enlightened ones, you will
understand what the word unwitting means as you will share in knowledge higher
that mos peoples and vastly superior to your own.
>
>No baloney, flamer...

	What is a baloney flamer?  Is this part of your former christian religion?

>Too bad.

	You will be bettr though.
>> 
>-Evan (Born-again Christian)

	We will fix that.  You will unleash your inner potential.
>
>do you ever get burnt by your own flame?

	No.  He throws it in order to avoid such.

							dodger
							Cannon Sean
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:08:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>	Satanism is the worship of self.  Satanist's holliest (If
>you will) holiday is their own birthday.  Satanism is a relativley

yup, also the equinoxes & solstices

>recent rebellion against classic Christian philosophy.  Satanism
>is a religion with no real philosiphical history or serious ideas,

Wrong. In christian europe it traces its roots to the various gnostic cults of
the last mellenia, the O.T.O. (possibly 700 year old), many masonic orders, &
even the doings of certain clergy. In other historical periods it traces its
roots among various pagans who worshipped a horned fertility god. I believe
the actual "Church of Satan" is directly descended from the Yezidi kurdish
religion, which has always been associated with the great old ones (Melek
Taus [sp?] is one of the "Elder Gods").

>other than some occasional skinned dogs and people.  Satanism is

No skinnings recently...

yrs under the elder sign

-Scott


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