HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: rush?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:20:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.162343.19225@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
> Would you mean ethyl nitrite? This stuff is considerably more toxic than
>the higher nitrites. It causes methemoglobinemia. Or did you just mean
>ethyl alcohol?

I take it methemoglobinemia == shortage of methemoglobin.

Methemoglobin == blood pigment that contains ferric iron and is unable to
transport oxygen.

So what's so bad about methemoglobinemia?  Who neeeds the stuff anyway?  Is
it a clotting agent or something?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: loki.trickster@digund.uucp (Loki Trickster) 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Scraping a pipe
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Digital Underground - PRIVATE
Reply-To: loki.trickster@digund.uucp (Loki Trickster) 


LB>My friend Fluffy does it roughly every other time he uses his pipe. He
  >scrapes it into a small glass vial, and then smokes it when it gets full.
  >My friend Fluffy says that this is almost as strong as hash.

The stuff that's left in the pipe after you smoke is there for a good
reason - it won't burn.   I've never gotten any sort of buzz out of
firing the residue.

Maybe you're different.

Loki
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From: dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Darren/Torin/Who ever...)
Subject: Re: Dry mouth
Summary: Alcohol is a diuretic
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:25:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.213644.26687@sarah.albany.edu> sw4847@gemini writes:
>What causes the incredible thirst after a night of drinking?

Alcohol is a diuretic which means that it causes you to shed water.  Guess
what, your body wants it back.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.tasteless,alt.conspiracy,rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: The Anarchist Cookbook
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:57:15 GMT

MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (David B. Horvath, CDP) writes:
: I saw a little ad in Philadelphia Magazine and wrote to the company
: what follows is from their reply.  I do not work for the publisher
: and have heard that many of the recipies in the book are bogus and
: may be hazardous to your health.  With all that said, let the ad
: begin:
: 
: * * * * *  NOW IN PRINT AGAIN * * * * *
: **** 28th PRINTING OF THIS "COLLECTOR'S ITEM"
: <note: 28 crossed out and replaced with 32>
: **** MORE THAN 850,000 COPIES SOLD !!
: <note: 850,000 crossed out and replaced with ONE MILLION tripple
:        underlined>

Just shows that a lot of people have thrown them in the trash, instead
of sending them to the used book stores. Of course, even if all the
copies were kept (none lost or destroyed), it means that less than
0.5% of the population has a copy. 

: - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - -  - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - -
: 
: They included a copy of a great little newspaper article about police
: being upset because they're finding college students with copies of
: this book.

Some cops get upset if you have a book of matches - they figure that
you are a diehard arsonist. For some reason, they seem to believe that
there is no such thing as curiosity. They expect everyone who reads
the book to use the formulas it contains. Maybe they are afraid that
people will start using the materials on the police. 

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: rush?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 02:31:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.132037.4742@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.o
g (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.162343.19225@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, aankrom@nyx.cs.
u.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>> Would you mean ethyl nitrite? This stuff is considerably more toxic th
n
>>the higher nitrites. It causes methemoglobinemia. Or did you just mean
>>ethyl alcohol?
>
>I take it methemoglobinemia == shortage of methemoglobin.
>
>Methemoglobin == blood pigment that contains ferric iron and is unable t

>transport oxygen.
>
>So what's so bad about methemoglobinemia?  Who neeeds the stuff anyway? 
Is
>it a clotting agent or something?
>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.



I was merely quoting the Merck Index. I htink they mean methemiglobinuria.

St. Anthony

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Announcement: the Price Project
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:13:59 GMT


		The Internet Drug-Price Project

Have you ever wondered how the prices of controlled substances vary
the world over?  Or what effect law-enforcement efforts have on the
price, availability, and quality of drugs?  Available data on
illicit-substance availability is sparse and often regional.  Here's
your chance to help find the answers to these questions.

What you need to do is send me current, accurate information on
illicit substances in your area.  Every month or so, or more often
if data volume permits, I'll post a summary to alt.drugs.  If
someone with an ftp site allows it, I'll put cumulative data there.
(Yeah, I'm ripping off _High_Times_' THMQ.  Think I should send them
a copy of the data each month?)

Although possession of such knowledge is neither illegal nor
incriminating, you may prefer to send it anonymously.  You can
put an "X-Anon-To: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu" header in mail to
anon@anon.penet.fi, or mail to
ebrandt%jarthur.claremont.edu@anon.penet.fi  if you can't add
headers.  Mail received nonymously will be sanitized by deleting all
but the Date: header.  You may wish to encrypt mail before letting
it leave your machine; see my .sig if you have PGP.

What I want:
   o  For people to participate!  Come on, I'm sure you've heard
      something on the subject.

   o  Any identifying features.
   o  Price.  Mention the total quantity, too.
   o  Quality/description.
   o  Availability.
   o  Location.  
   o  Approximate date of purchase or offer.

   o  Accurate information.  Rumors about a friend of a friend's aunt 
      who made some great buy are useless.  If this was an offer
      instead of an actual purchase, mention that.
   o  Information on substances that will probably not be heavily
      reported upon, such as exotica and "hard" drugs.
   o  Data from places that will be undercovered -- anywhere but the
      U.S., probably.

What I don't want:
   o  Specific information on how to score.  This is not a tourist
      guide; it's a sociological research project.
   o  Legal hassles.  Look, DEA buddies, you collect this kind of
      data yourself.  If you don't, I'm doing your work for you.

Send me a data point every so often!  This will only work if you
make it work.  Wouldn't it be interesting to have information on
global trends in price, quality, and availability?  To kick this
off, I'll take historical data as well, for a better picture of
trends.  (Tell me how good your memory is, though...)

Along with your data, please send me any suggestions you have.

	 PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: an2509@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Seed Starting Problems
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:30:51 GMT

I've tried to start cannabis seeds several times, using the suggestions
offered in alt.drugs (germinate between wet paper towels, keep them warm, etc.).
I've gotten about 5 or 6 seeds to the point where the shell of the seed opens
and a small white shoot pushes out of the crack.  But the seeds seem to dies
upon transplanting to soil.  Is it probably just a bad batch of seeds (all of
them came from the same 1/4 ounce of brownish pot) or are there some subtleties
I'm missing?

Thanks
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From: plg3723@zeus.tamu.edu (Hello there)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: What happened to Bob Cain?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:42 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Several months ago, I read this newsgroup every day and regularly saw 80-
100 new posts a day.  Now, I  only see 20-30 new posts a day and see none
from Bob Cain, who used to have comments on almost everything discussed here.
What happened to this man?

Does anyone remember him?

plg3723@zeus.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Anyone else watch the Simpsons?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:57:44 GMT

In article <93021.193239U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>, John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Where do I get some of that boat-ride water!

There's a fine line between boat-ride water and old turkey sandwiches.  :^)

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:21497 alt.tasteless:15813 alt.conspiracy:14733 rec.pyrotechnics:4507
From: julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.tasteless,alt.conspiracy,rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: The Anarchist Cookbook
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:10:25 GMT
Organization: The hole in the wall. Hollywood

In article <1993Jan27.015154.6588@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
about Anarchists cookbook:
>
>It's a stupid book, however, full of phony stuff.
	
	Yes, as I said in an earlier post. Just a pile of drugged out
paranoid urban legends and bar room talk.

	For the real thing, read the Department of the Army technical
manual "Improvised Munitions Handbook".  Part number TM 31-210.

	This is a great book. It will tell you how to make stuff
that goes bang etc. Sorry, no bong assemby instructions. 

	But if you really want to know how to create havoc, let Uncle
Sam show you how.

	And guess what, the Doper Anarchist Cookbook is $25.00 and you
can pick up the "Improvised Munitions Handbook" for $5.00 or so.

ObTasteless: Any meal eaten in Glasgow.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:27:56 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Organization: Alberta Research Council

>
>Try this: Get a single dose, (in the nifty little paper squares we've all come
>to know an love) and hold it in your hand for 1/2 hour to an hour.  You WILL
>trip.  I'm not scientist, but the molecules of LSD do have the ability to enter
>the bloodstream through skin.  I once knew a guy who went to a concert with a
>sheet o' LSD with the intention of selling it, but couldn't manage to get
>anyone to buy it, so he stuck it in his sock so he wouldn't have to have it
>risk falling out of his pocket.  BAD idea.  I'm not sure what happened to him,
>but I think he passed out, and is currently a vegetable.  I haven't seen him in
>2 years..  At any rate, YES, acid can be absorbed through the skin.
>Careful, guys.
>                                                

A friend of mine used to put those little squares of blotter in his eye 
(honest). He claimed that he got a better/quicker high this way. I personally
have a fear of anything near my eyes (fortunately I don't wear
contacts/glasses).

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: politicians die!!
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:23:06 GMT

In article 28086@fuug.fi, an7592@anon.penet.fi (Stefo) writes:
>
>Dont you think that any politician pushing legalization of drugs would
>be  assasinated by organized crime?  

But politicians ARE organized crime!

gak

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From: ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca (Andrew B Haigh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mind Mushrooms
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:01:58 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	Last week I had a rather interesting experiance, I was flying on a mix of various psychedelics and literally felt my mind mushroom. There were images of mushrooms forming on the top of my mind, it was really remarkable and it made me remember that this has happened several times before (last time was early last year when I was tripping rather fierce). 

	I wonder if anyone else has had this experience? If you have you know what I mean, if you haven't, well who knows maybe you will after this (memes can be so transmissable :).

			ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca
From: kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous = a cult?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:26:51 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

bierbach@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>	Has anyone else with any experience with NA ever had the same 
>suspicions about it that I seem to have?

I don't know about NA, but I do know a lot about AA (alcoholics anon.)
I attended both ala-teen meetings and later AA meetings and have read
a fair amount of literature on alcoholism.   I believe that AA is often
a very good program for some people, but like your description of NA
I have noticed a "cultish" attitude about it.   I remember reading
accounts of groups of AA people that hung around each other for years
and almost invariably as soon as all of them were dry one of the members
of the group would go "off the wagon" presumably just to become "cured"
again by his group of friends.   I never really bought into AA's notion
of realizing in a higher power as a necessary step in recovery, because
I have quit drinking and my father has quit drinking and neither one
of us did it with the help of a "higher power" (to our knowledge.)
He quit drinking on his own without the help of any such organization
as did I.   The 12 steps may help some people, but I believe the simple
realization that our lives were being destroyed by our addictions to
alcohol led to our quitting.   Amazingly enough I am now able to drink
socially without feeling the urge to get plastered....as a matter of
fact I am disgusted and repulsed by the idea of having a physical
addiction to alcohol.
I have also come to a personal conclusion that alcoholism, as well
as other drug addictions, is not a "disease".   AA claims that it
necessary to "understand" this "fact" to break the addiction, but
again perhaps it may help some people pyschologically deal with their
problem when they hear it is a disease or caused by genetics...it is
not necessary and IMHO its not even a valid claim.   I remember a
recent study that finally dispelled the myth about alcholism being
carried through genes (or whatever).   The study showed that AA's
common notion of "one alcoholic parent = 50% chance of alcoholism
for the sibling" is wrong....in fact this new study showed that
children of alcoholics are LESS likely to become alcoholics than
children of non-alcholics.   This came as a surprise to me after
being brain-washed by AA and ala-teen both.    Unfortunatly I do
not keep old newspapers around or tape all the news shows I watch
so I do not have a source to give to anyone...but since it was reported
I am sure any recent book about alcoholism will cite the study.

As a sidenote I find it amusing that people are often forced to attend
AA or NA by judges when I remember distinctly hearing 50-100 times
every session that "nobody can help an alcoholic that does not want to
help themselves."    What do they do with these people that don't want
to be there, but are forced by others to attend ?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.tasteless,alt.conspiracy,rec.pyrotechnics
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: The Anarchist Cookbook
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:51:54 GMT

David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:

>Order from:
>BARRICADE BOOKS, INC.
>P.O. BOX 1401

>They will not take COD.  To order, send $25 check or money order.

Why get scammed sending money to a PO box when you can buy
it from the publisher and they take COD or plastic?

Loompanics in Port Townsend Wa is the outlet.

It's a stupid book, however, full of phony stuff.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gdblanke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Greg D Blankenship)
Subject: info about advertisement on mushrooms
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:48:55 GMT

     The other day I came across this ad:

          Mushrooms. Grow Psilocybe inexpensively. Send $4.95
          for complete instructions and list of equipment
          needed.  Goodies Supply House, P.O. Box 10526,
          Columbus Ohio 43201.

   Questions:

     1.  Has anyone out there ever tried this/Does it work?
     2.  Is this a rip off?
     3.  Is this legal?

     Please post any responses.
From: ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca (Andrew B Haigh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Robotussin
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:53:27 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	The active ingredient is not DMBromide, rather it is Dextromethorphan, an isomer of Levorphanol, a codeine analog. When taken in a high enough dosage, especially when combined with alcohol and MJ, it evokes a high undistinguishable from an acid or mushroom stone. 

	Currently the best commercial formulation is Contac CoughCaps. These tablets contain 30 mg DM each, come in packets of 10 or 20, and rest a hell of a lot easier on the stomach than does Robo.

	Having tried both, I must recommend the Contac Caps if you are going to try DM, although you might want to reduce your dosages if you are going to trip more than one day at a time (after awhile the same dosage will make you puke (but that could also be attributed to the alcohol))

			ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: I'm back -- some major changes to report ...
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:10:29 -0500

	Lest people think I've dropped off the face of the Earth,
I'm reporting in to let folks know that all is well.  I've been
very busy the past few weeks with a number of items and, as a result,
haven't been on the net.

	First off, I am leaving the ranks of independent contractordom:
starting Monday (tomorrow) I begin work as the manager of the Atlantic
Research Corp. presence at Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center.  In
the "for what it's worth" department, ARC has a drug testing policy
that appears to remain essentially unemplemented.  Somewhere down the
road, I plan on introducing the idea of impairment testing -- for
now my primary goal is establishing myself seeing that things function
smoothly during the transition into what I have jokingly referred to
as the "Hager Dynasty".

	But, enough about me.  On the drug front, I've begun the
initial phases of lobbying on HB 1047, a bill before the Indiana
legislature that increases penalties for cultivation of marijuana
and adds a 6-month to 2-year driver's license suspension for any
marijuana conviction (the so-called "smoke a joint, lose your
license" law).  I spoke to the committee chairman, Jesse Villalpando
(I think I spelled that right) who didn't really know anything about
the bill and whose response upon hearing my description was incredulity
that license suspension was to be a part of it.  While this might
seem to be a hopeful sign, my guess is that he and others who might
personally think the bill is stupid will, nonetheless, sign on to it
when the time comes.

	In order to make a case against this bill, I'd be interested
in any information people might have with regard to marijuana and
auto accident rates.  I'd also be interested in the costs borne by
states having similar laws.  Also, what is the status of Federal
law -- is there a mandated loss of highway funds if states refuse
to pass this law?

	Although I'd like to head up a delegation of people to
appear at the hearings, my new job may preclude my direct participation
so I may, instead, put together a position paper which can be read
into the record.  I'd appreciate any thoughts netters might have on
this.  Post or e-mail.

	On other fronts, the HCRC is no longer holding meetings.
We are trying to decide whether we should become a part of NORML
now that Dick Cowans is in charge or merge with a possible drug
policy group that is still in the germination stage.  Those of
us who have been the core of HCRC feel that the character of the
organization needs to change if we are to continue to progress.
I'll keep the net informed about this as matters develop.

-- 
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"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: root@athena.mit.edu (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Subject: Smart Drugs
Keywords: piracetam & hydergine
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:03:12 GMT


   I was wondering what the recommend dosage of a hydergine and piracetam
   combination would be. I have heard that at the proper dosages their 
   effects can be increased up to five times a piece.

   For those of you who have experimented with these drugs or just have a
   knowledge of the subject please let me know.

   Please post the response to this newsgroup, as the account I am using
   is rather temporary, mine is presently being reactivated.

   Thank You


   Dare to walk the narrow cliffs of the new edge, for in the distance
   lies the future.


                                                    VLAD
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Anyone else watch the Simpsons?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:44:21 GMT

In article <93021.193239U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>What I want to know is ...
>
>Where do I get some of that boat-ride water!
>
>:-)
>

Lisa should've known not to drink thee water.

Best line: 'Can't talk.  Coming Down.'

-Howard
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