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From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Shipping mishap in SEA?
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:58:38 -0500
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From the keyboard of Ho Hiang Kwee, who writes:

>Survivors on the deck at that time said that they actually could see the
>vessel heading straight for their ship, and thought that it would
>definitely turn away before the collision. Unfortunately it
>didn't! Within 40 minutes, the Royal Pacific sank.

  Apparently, the fishing vessel had a grudge against cruise liners.

--
Syed Shibli
From: abdulwah@usc.edu (THE MAGIC MAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: RE:MERDEKA
Date: 31 Aug 1992 20:21:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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> Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
> Subject: Re: MERDEKA!
> Message-ID: <gechbwm00WBL49SFs8@andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: 31 Aug 92 18:48:28 GMT
> Article-I.D.: andrew.gechbwm00WBL49SFs8
> References: <1992Aug31.052120.12465@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
> Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
> Lines: 7
> In-Reply-To: <1992Aug31.052120.12465@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>

> MERDEKA, MERDEKA, MERDEKA, MERDEKA, MERDEKA, MERDEKA, MERDEKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 35 tahun.
              TANGGAL LIMA PULUH TUJUH BULAN LAPAN LIMA PULUH TUJUH
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
						   
> #############################################################################
                    Ohh I wish I were there with TUNKU

I think the line should be......
		TANGGAL LIMA PULUH TUJUH BULAN LAPAN TIGA PULUH SATU
		SAMBUTLAH MERDEKA .......


SAYA ANAK MALAYSIA.......

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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:38:23 GMT

jkatz@netcom.com (Joseph Katz) writes:

>In my opinion, if you want to travel to Asia on the cheap look at Korean
>Airlines, and, of course, visit a discount ticket broker.  If you don't
>have any idea where to find a broker, go to your local ethnic market and
>ask someone.

Agreed regarding Korean Air being cheap.  I am
flying to HK from Washingron, DC for $850 during Christmas time.

I checked out many ethnic travel agents and I
found a better deal at a travel agency who seems to
have a special deal with Korean Air.

Korean air seems to be lowballing the other other airlines
to drive up the market share.  Similiar in practice to what
the Japanese did in the 1960's and 70's.  Korean Air is
intending to become a major player in the international
marketplace.
-- 

Very grateful guest of Openage - the best SCO service shop in the area
************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
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From: looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi)
Subject: Re: G.E.Song/ Three Looi
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:51:44 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA

In article <ges.33.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
>
>So, who is the bonehead?
>
>
>                    |------/--------\------|
>                    |------| \    / |------|
>                    |------|   |    |------|
>                           \___=___ /
>
>			Look, mum, THREE BONES!    :-)
>                       
Until you disclose yourself (i.e. take off your mask and use your
own real name), I don't see any point in furthering the discussion
with you. 

I hope you understand the seriousness of faking your userid and
organization name (What does "The World" do, anyway?). You may 
get kicked outta school and fine/jailed if you're caught! 
Just beware, Mr. "G.E.Song"

Btw, I like the "THREE BONES" picture. Do you look like one 
when you have the mask on?!  :-)

Hope it's not too early to wish you a Happy Deepavali.

p/s Again, the above opinions are solely mine...
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From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:34:20 GMT

paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>The publication Kompas (Indonesia) reports that the Indonesian
>government is contemplating buying SCUD missiles. Given the relatively
>short range (less than 1000 miles) what forces would they be used
>against?

I'd say Papau New Guniea (and Australia?).

I suspect that Indonesia really wants to take PNG.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: esl_manager@uh.edu ()
Subject: (HongKong+PRC) vs S'pore
Reply-To: esl_manager@uh.edu ()
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:20:36 GMT

Hi soc.culture.asean readers,

	RE:	 (Hong Kong + People's Republic of China) vs S'pore

	I have been reading about the economic situation in Hong Kong. Well, it
seems like those who think that S'pore is going to reign supreme in the
economic scene (after PRC takes back HK ) may be in for a rude shock. As
far as I can tell, the financial analysts here in the U.S. are reporting
strong investments from HK to PRC and vice-versa. Large corporations in
HK are buying into China's real-estates in South China to establish
their factories & plants while China is investing pretty heavily into
large companies in HK  (Cathay Pacific was listed as one of those in the
list). As far as foreign money pouring into HK (from the west) for
further development, I would think it is quite imminent with the current
forecast. After all, the west never like to miss a piece of the pie when
there's a party. If everything goes on as it is now, HK is going to be
ahead of the rest of the Pacific Tigers (S. Korea, Taiwan & S'pore) by a
wide margin. These are but viewpoints that I have read in the west.
	Let us hear from the east; especially, from the region of the ASEAN
countries.

--
Arthur
From: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Keywords: Immigrants
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:40:58 GMT
Reply-To: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
Organization: University of Houston

I would think the following criteria should be sufficient to consider
one to be an immigrant:

1) not a Singapore citizen
2) has applied for immigration to S'pore
3) has been approved to immigrate
4) has been residing in S'pore since then.

--
Arthur
From: echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:35:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug27.202636.11574@nuscc.nus.sg> limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong) writes:
>mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>
>: Nope. I don't think it is correct to say that you don't
>: need course credit to get a PhD in the US. There is a stipulation 
>: on the number of credits one needs to accumulate
>: beyond the MS or BS level. Of these there is also
>: a stipulation that  a certain minimum must be course
>: and   a certain minimum must be research/project credits.
>
>A counter example to what you stated above is the CIS dept. at UPenn,
>which waives such requirement for some excellent candidates.
>Also I think some schools will waive the course requirement too,
>so long as the candicate demonstrated the required capabilities,
>for example, by passing the qualifiers.

But it is virtually impossible to pass a qualifying exam at a given
school if you don't take courses from that school. At Princeton, where
I got my PhD, there were no strict course requirements; you only have
to pass the qualifier. However, everyone without exception takes at
least a few courses before taking the qualifying exam.
At Princeton there were many entering students who had master's degrees from
elsewhere, and had taken tons of courses. They still had to take the
appropriate sequence of courses before sitting for the qualifiers.
Noone *required* them to. They could go straight in and sit for the
exam. However, the profs would strongly advise against it. The whole
idea is to pass it the first time. Otherwise it's pretty demoralizing.

------
Ed Chong
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Batmobil overseas first: Malaysia
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:31:55 GMT

Batmobil and accessories worth M$5 million, are shown for the first time
anywhere outside USA at Kuala Lumpur.

Malaysians may be watching more batman films than anybody else outside
USA. How could it be?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: chuah@sail.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Testing
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:43:13 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Saito-Aida Lab., Faculty of Eng., Univ. of Tokyo

Just a testing. Please ignore.
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From: sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO)
Subject: Re: Batmobil overseas first: Malaysia
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:06:45 GMT

In <1992Aug28.023155.18609@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>Batmobil and accessories worth M$5 million, are shown for the first time
>anywhere outside USA at Kuala Lumpur.

First??? If it is the same Batmobil as the first Batman movie, it has been
shown around Australia some time ago.

>Malaysians may be watching more batman films than anybody else outside
>USA. How could it be?

I wouldn't be surprised ... movies like Batman etc are very often released in
Malaysia and Singapore earlier than in Australia.

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>Wey Jing Ho    Tel: 61-3-573-2567   E-mail : sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au<
>Physics Dept., Monash University ( Caulfield Campus ), Melbourne, AUSTRALIA<
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From: kkc@ece.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:40:35 GMT
Reply-To: kkc@ece.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


In article <1992Aug27.223509.4108@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, Limsoon Wong writes:
>
>echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
>: 
>: But it is virtually impossible to pass a qualifying exam at a given
>: school if you don't take courses from that school. At Princeton, where
>
>I took/passed the written qualifier for computing at UPenn.
>some years ago. I don't think it needed a great deal more
>than  stuff I was taught as an undergrad in UK.
>The qualifier had a disastrous passing rate of <30%.
>But then most of those who took it didn't have the benefit
>of a British undergrad computing education.
>
>                                Limsoon Wong.
>
If you strongly believes that the British computing eduation is better,
why then
did you go to UPenn? Why didn't you stay in a British U for you graduate
school instead?
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Subject: Malam Malaysia in Christchurch
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:28:53 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.


What?   Malam Malaysia

Where?  Cashmere School Hall
        Barrington Street

Who?    If you are reading this in Christchurch, please come
        otherwise just accept this as an article telling the net
        what we are going to do.

When?   (Sat) 5 September
        7.00 pm

How?    Tickets ($5) will be sold at the gate.
        CMSA members get a free $2 food voucher each.


Interesting bits...

Food (lots of Malaysian food), cultural performances (such as 
a Malay wedding - Adat Bersanding), static displays, lucky
draw (first prize - Ansett New Zealand Mystery weekend for two).

Come and have fun.  All are welcome.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | The gunners: league
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | champs 1992-1993!
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 20:22:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep2.204058.28831@menudo.uh.edu>

>I would think the following criteria should be sufficient to consider
>one to be an immigrant:

>1) not a Singapore citizen
>2) has applied for immigration to S'pore
>3) has been approved to immigrate
>4) has been residing in S'pore since then.

>--
>Arthur

I take it this covers the large number of Malaysians settled in
Singapore. (I dont know what % of the immigrant population they
make up, can someone fill me in?). 

Do your questions and request for discussionregarding integration
and melting pot apply to these people also?

Hassan
From: echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:04:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <l9kvr9INN4n0@nyquist.usc.edu> goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
>[comparison of UK and US education deleted]
>

A terrific summary.

>I've discussed undergraduate degrees. The situation is probably
>not similar for MSc/PhD degrees.
>

In the UK, you can get away with receiving a PhD without ever having to
take a single course beyond the undergraduate level (in some places at
least), whereas in the US every MS/PhD student takes several graduate
courses before getting their degrees (many places have strict course
requirements).

US universities typically have larger graduate programs, and as
such they have more opportunity (and reason) to offer graduate courses 
at all levels. In the Univ of Adelaide in South Australia, where I 
did part of my graduate studies, there were *no* graduate courses. 
Everything had to be learnt on your own.

Virtually all PhD programs in the US require students to pass a
"qualifying exam". This is a comprehensive exam on the student's area
of specialization, typically at an advanced level. Preparation for
this exam is usually much more intensive than any undergraduate exam.

For the above reasons, it normally takes longer to get a PhD in the US 
than in the UK.

Another difference I've noticed, at least in engineering, is that PhD
research in the US is typically more theoretical than in the UK.
This may be another reason why advanced courses are seldom offered in
the UK (or Australia); it's difficult to teach something at an
advanced level without having a lot of "academic" knowledge at the tip
of your fingers.

>
>Is anybody from Singapore/Australia/NZ in a position to compare their
>undergraduate curriculums with  those in US?

I did my undergrad degree in Elec. Engr. (EE) at the Univ of Adelaide. 
The program was very rigid; not even a single elective. Every course 
was predetermined.  Everyone in EE took exactly the same courses.
The program was also very comprehensive. We studied courses ranging
from power systems to stress analysis to VLSI circuit design. In
contrast, a typicall US undergrad in EE only takes courses in a
certain specialization; e.g., either power systems *or* VLSI, but
seldom both.

Unlike in the UK, the B.E. and B.E.(Hons) programs take 4 years. However,
just like in the UK, as pointed out by K.C.Goh, the material is covered
at a rather shallow level (I guess something has to give if you want
to do everything).


-------------
Edwin Chong
School of EE, Purdue University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:37:04 GMT

Computing@harvard.edu (Computing) writes:
: >echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
: >:
: >: But it is virtually impossible to pass a qualifying exam at a given
: >: school if you don't take courses from that school. At Princeton, where
: 
: >I took/passed the written qualifier for computing at UPenn.
: >some years ago. I don't think it needed a great deal more
: >than  stuff I was taught as an undergrad in UK.
: 
: Have you ever tried taking the exam at MIT yet?

No and you seem to take my reply in the wrong light.
Chong expresses his opinion that it is hard to
pass a qualifier of a school w/o taking courses
from the same school. I responded by saying that
you don't need a lot more than that is taught
in UK undergrad to handle the UPenn qualifier.
I don't see where MIT comes into the picture.

												 Limsoon.

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From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Reply-To: nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. EE, National Univ. of Singapore
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:31:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.120853.42597@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> [stuffs deleted ...]
|> owner. I (as an Indonesian) dont think we will attack any neighbour contries,
|> at least we won't initiate it. What for ? So far this area is peaceful.
|>I suspect the purchase of SCUDS is for technological resons, whatever they are
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    What technological resons, please be more specific.  Making a better
    SCUD?  That's more alarming news than just buying SCUD.

|> And if (a big IF that is) Indonesia wanted to attack Singapore, SCUDS is the
|> least thing Indonesia needs (if u know what i mean... ;-) )

    Please elaborate what are the other options Indonesia has.  Don't tell
    me that every Indoneasian spit a mouthful of siliva will be sufficient
    to drown Singapore.  In the last 40 years, did the main land China
    managed to do that to Taiwan?  Not even that "Jin Men" island so close
    to their coast.

-Won Soon
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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:31:20 GMT

In article <920824204854.2200344d@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
> 
> 
> From the keyboard of G.E.Song, who writes:
> 
> >>People worth respecting are called elders if they are older than
> >>oneself, those who are not worth respecting are called 'lao jiao' or old
> >>bird.
> >
> >I thought lao jiao meant prick. (or is it lan chiao)
> 
>   "jiao" since j == ch phonetically. And yes, the word means "prick."
> 
> --
> Syed Shibli

'Jiao' means 'bird' in Hokkien which can mean 'prick' depending on the context
which it is used. 'lao' means 'old', so 'lao jiao' means 'old bird' which
is usually refers to someone who is an 'old hand'/experienced at something.
I have'nt a clue what 'lan' means though 'lan-jiao'(or simply 'lan' for short)
means 'prick'

Edmund
From: s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chew Ming Ean)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MERDEKA!
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:03:32 GMT

mmaiseh@cs.arizona.edu (Maszeri Maiseh) writes:


>SELAMAT HARI KEBANGSAAN FOR ALL MALAYSIANS OUT THERE...!!!!!!

>merdeka..merdeka...merdeka...merdeka...merdeka..!!!

>mz

I know this is a little tooooo late :

So...  Selamat (Belated) Hari MERDEKA 

:))

Ming
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:09:30 GMT

sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin) wrote: 
->As all experienced travelers know, one can travel on any airline going
->anywhere and have a miserable time.  It really depends on the specific
->crew personnel, the flight attendant, and/or the ground support
->personnel one just happens to deal with.  

of course.  part of the problem is that most of the people who read
these messages *aren't* experienced travellers.  they make one big
international flight ever N years, and then proclaim that FooAir is the
worst on the planet, worthy of only the worst of bad and evilness.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:23:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.135117.10076@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> 
> engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:
> :     I would consider the SCUD as a non-defensive weapon.  The possession of
> :     such a weapon by one of the ASEAN nation will definitely spark off
> :     stronge reaction from the other nations.  The worst case would be
> :     to trigger an arm race in the region.  I don't think this is what
> :     the political leaders wanted.
> 
> I think it is a good idea for asean to beef up its defences. At the moment
> it is sitting duck against Vietnam, China, and Japan even with the resources
> that this region has.
> 
> :     
> :     As a result of the amount of propaganda given to the SCUD,
> :     I don't think one needs a nuclear warhead and still can
> :     achieve the same psychological impact.  (Given the poor accuracy
> :     of the SCUD, I'm not sure that it will actually land in Singapore
> :     even though that it is aimed here. (-:)
> It may miss orchard road, but not the whole Island.
> 
> 
> --
> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

While I very much doubt if Indonesia would ever use a SCUD against
Singapore, even if they had one, I can not resist pointing out the
fact that it doesn't have to miss by much to hit Johore instead of
Singapore.

Edmund
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