Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:09:06 PST
From:         "Rick Gates" <LB05GATE@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      January Hunt Results
Comments: To: cwis-l@wuvmd.bitnet

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*             Results of the January, 1993                *
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*                    INTERNET HUNT                        *
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This month we have winners in the individual and team
categories.

The individual winner is:

   John Berens
   University Librarian
   Olson Library
   Northern Michigan University
   Marquette, MI 49855

John scored a perfect 43 out of 43 possible points in an entry
dated: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:29:08 EST

And the team winners are:

   The Panix.Hunt Team
   Panix Public Unix Access of New York
   New York, New York.

The Panix.Hunt Team scored 42 out of 43 points in an entry
dated: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:19 -0500 (EST)

Congratulations to all the winners!

Note to the Players
-------------------

Thanks to you all for giving us such a good demonstration of
how it's done.  For those of you requesting your individual
scores, they're done, but I'm leaving for Denver tonight.  I
will mail them to you on Wed night (1/27).

Statistics
----------
Total entries: 18

Total individual entries: 15

Total team entries: 3

My Comments about this Hunt
---------------------------
1.There were some tricky moments for me in this Hunt.  I set
myself up for some tough questions that I'm still tracking
down.  If anyone can provide more illumination on why Giovanni
De Poli's appears to have 5 email addresses, or the Toyota
question, fire me off a message and I'll summarize.

2.It's becoming more difficult to grade certain types of
responses.  Some players used a local Turbo gopher client to
connect to their home gopher server.  This made it tough to
retrace as I don't know where their home gopher is.  While I
could manage it (because I know the answers!), it may be
difficult for others to follow their searches.

What I'm thinking of doing next month is asking players to
double check that they are including the hostname and port for
their home gopher server so that others can follow in their
footsteps.

3. Since I've included all the answers for both classes of
winners, and I really want to include other good answers, the
size of this document is getting out of hand.  What I think
I'll do from now on, is just pick out a few answers for each
question that are good, or clever, or illuminate some little
known method for wrestling with the dreaded Net-Beast! :-)

Very Inventive Veronica
-----------------------
Veronica now has boolean searching capabilities.  Precedence is
left-to-right, with no nesting operators.  It is
case-independent.  When you access Veronica read the About file
for explanations.

When I tried it, a search on

   christmas

...yielded 90 entries, and a search on

   christmas and tree

...yielded 33 entries, and they looked right.

Thanks to D.G. Gilbert, and the folks at U.N. Reno for the
extra functionality.

Another Home for the Hunt
-------------------------
Many thanks to the folks at CICNet as they have provided me
with a Gopher for Hunt distribution.  Now, rather than having
to wait for mail and usnet messages to percolate to them,
players can grab the Hunt questions mere seconds after I make
them available.

The CICNet gopher is available on that long list of US
gophers.  If you prefer to point your users directly to it (my
preference, certainly), here are the details:

Name=The Internet Hunt
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/hunt
Host=gopher.cic.net

Note: It looks like the Hunt is not accessible via Veronica yet.

So now, without further delay, here are:

The Hunt Answers
================================================================
1. (5) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in
Czech?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok.

   Search strategy:
   telnet panda.uiowa.edu
   4.  Online Information Services...
   12.  Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace...
   2.  Search many (300) Internet gopher menus by SINGLE keyword <?>
   index word: holiday
   130.  holiday-greetings

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   >telnet scilibx.ucsc.edu \     or, of course, use a gopher client
   >login: gopher           /     directly
   >choice 9, The World
   >choice 1, Other Internet Gopher Servers
   >choice 8, Veronica search of much of GopherSpace
   >choice 2, Search ...

   Index word...: christmas

   choose article 140. Merry-Christmas.

   For those who are interested "Merry Christmas & Happy New Year"
   in Czech is the following:

           Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok

Other Answers
-------------
   What's interesting is I had searched veronica on all key
   words except merry....  I tried merry and got a hit... why
   didn't christmas work?  It does now!!!

   TurboGopher
   Home Gopher Server
   Other Gopher and Information Servers
   Search Gopherspace using veronica
   Search on keyword Merry
   produces a file called Merry Christmas which contains

   >From soc.roots Thu Dec 19 08:54:02 1991

   MERRY X'MAS (or equivalent) AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR - in many
   languages!

   Czech           Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok

================================================================
2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: The Toyota Motor Corporation, Communication Technology
   Department, CIS Planning Division, has four Internet addresses:
   NET-T1: 161.93.0.0
   NET-T2: 161.94.0.0
   NET-T3: 161.95.0.0
   NET-T4: 161.96.0.0

   Search strategy:
   telnet nic.ddn.mil
   @: whois
   whois: toyota

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (reynolds):  Telnet to nic.ddn.mil
                       (panix) % whois toyota

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM1) TOYOTA-COM1 161.93.0.0

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM2) TOYOTA-COM2 161.94.0.0

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM3) TOYOTA-COM3 161.95.0.0

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM4) TOYOTA-COM4 161.96.0.0

   Toyota College of Technology
   (NET-TOYOTA-CTNET)   TOYOTA-CTNET     133.85.0.0

   Toyota Technological Institute (NET-TOYOTA-TI)
   TOYOTA-TI     133.21.0.0

   Toyota, Yasuo
   (YT11)               apaj-imo-o@ZAMA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL   (DSN)
   233-5821

   To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx
   is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name,
   which comes first.

Other Answers
-------------
   The strict answer is no (no IP connection). The users answer is: yes,
   you can send mail to them. I found no references in the usual databases
   (nic.ddn.mil etc) but there is a domain called toyota.co.jp belonging to
   the Toyota Motor Corporation. It can be found by telnetting to
   nnsc.nsf.net (Q10), logging in as wais and selecting the uumap.src
   database. Then you can search for toyota.
   (Short answer: use the wais source uumap.src to search for toyota ;-)

-----
   1. telnet archie.au
   2. login: netfind
   3. Seed database lookup
   4. Seed database search
   5. Keys (blank to exit): toyota

   The answer is

   fk.toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, japan
   toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
   tytlabs.co.jp toyota central research and development
   laboratories, inc, japan

-----
   Telnet 134.82.11.4 185 to Knowbot white pages and enter "Toyota."
   Results:

   Name: TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV.
   Phone:        161.93.0.0
   E-Mail:       TOYOTA-COM1
   Source:       whois@nic.ddn.mil
   Ident:        NET-TOYOTA-COM1
   Last updated: (unknown)

   [Rick: other entries omitted as they are listed above...]

   [etc....] Answer: Yep!

-----
   telnet to quake.think.com (WAIS), login as wais
   select "domain-organizations"
   search for "Toyota"

   This produces (if we ignore one unusable result) the following
   <D>omain/<O>rganization/<H>ost information:

     %D fk.toyota.co.jp
     %O toyota motor corporation, japan
     %H tmclab

     %D toyota.co.jp
     %O toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
     %H qe

     %D tytlabs.co.jp
     %O toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan
     %H milab elmlab iclab robotics

   [Rick:The question on Toyota was tricky as some leads indicated
   that they were not directly connected to the Internet.  What I
   was looking for was not a particular type of connectivity, but
   reachability via some method.  This is the kind of simplistic
   question that reference librarians get all the time.]

================================================================
3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I
HATE the editor I have for my mail.  It's called vi.  So I
found another editor that I can use called emacs.  Emacs is
supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things
up a little.  Can you tell me where I can get some advice from
more experienced emacs users?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: there are 27 internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
   groups that cover emacs.  Two of the broadest are
   emacs@bnadp11.bitnet and emacs@tcsvm.bitnet.  You can post
   questions about emacs to these and other lists and
   experienced users will respond.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   1.  Other Internet Gopher Servers/
   8.  Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
   2.  Search many (300) Internet Gopher menus by Single keyword <?>
   index word: listserv
   36.  Search the list of internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
   groups <?> index word: emacs

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (simona, reynolds): These are the various emacs
   newsgroups. My guess is the first one.
   **    gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
   comp.emacs: 1-6486
   gnu.emacs.announce: 1-50
   gnu.emacs.bug: 1-2838
   gnu.emacs.gnews:1-79
   gnu.emacs.gnus: 1-1950
   gnu.emacs.sources: 1-1072
   gnu.emacs.vm.bug: 1-1113
   gnu.emacs.vm.info: 1-680
   gnu.emacs.vms: 1-184

   (jhawk) Will you get more credit if you detail where this
   information came from?  If so, you can say ``grep emacs
   /usr/lib/news/active'' or something.  A better answer might
   be to ftp the active file from ftp.uu.net (that's the most
   authoritative one around) and grep through that.

   >**    gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
   >comp.emacs: 1-6486

   Note that the 2 of these are slightly different but largely
   overlapping.  comp.emacs might be a better choice as the
   question doesn't actually specify GNU emacs.

Other Answers
-------------
   While running GNU-emacs, press C-h C-d to view the DISTRIB
   document supplied with GNU-emacs. This document lists the
   host site for GNU-emacs as prep.ai.mit.edu.

   FTP to prep.ai.mit.edu and GET file MAILINGLISTS from
   directory /pub/gnu/gnuinfo. This document lists a USENET
   newsgroup, gnu.emacs.help, that is available for receiving
   help on general and specific questions about using emacs. It
   also states that a one-way gate is provided in USENET
   newsgroup

================================================================
4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer.  Some sexual activities are safer than others.
   Practicing safe sex really means changing your sexual
   lifestyle in a number of ways.  Hugging, massaging, and
   mutual masturbation are absolutely safe.  French kissing,
   oral sex without climaxing, and intercourse with both a
   condom and spermicide (not foams) are reasonably safe.  Any
   sex in which there is bleeding, intercourse without a
   condom, and bodily fluids in your mouth, or sharing objects
   used in sexual stimulation are unsafe.

   Search strategy:
   telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca
   login: chat
   select an information file: aids
   ask a question: can you get AIDS from kissing?

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (clay): telnet to debra.dgbt.doc.ca
   login as "chat"
   select the AIDS database -- This is the dialog:

   Type a Question or Press ENTER to browse:
   Aids from kissing?

   [Rick: I won't bother including the same text again...]

================================================================
5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference
was help in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals.  I
wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'.  Can you
find his email address for me?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: the address is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   7.  Worldwide Internet Phone & Address Directories/
   4.  Internet-wide e-mail address searches/
   2.  NetFind server at AARNet (Melbourne, Australia) <tel>
   2.  Search
   enter person and keys: poli padova
   select domains 3 4 5

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER: We found two email addresses for him. See below.
   (tovah): telnet mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (or any other netfind
   site) (OK, OK, to be honest, I just went thru InfoSlug
   again, using choices: 9,7,4,7)

   login: netfind
   choose "2. Search"
   Enter person and keys.... --> poli padova italy
   (Then narrow down your choice of domains: I used 6 5 3)
   Answer: depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it

   (I originally tried "giovanni" instead of "poli" but: (a) I
   had forgotten that Giovanni is just Italian for John and got
   back lots and lots of answers; and (b) the target guy wasn't
   included anyhow, because he's listed as "Gianni De Poli".)

   (rryan): The email address of Giovanni Di Poli is
   "depoli@giulia.dei.unipd.it".  I got this by sending the
   command "send usenet-addresses/giovanni" (as the text of a
   mail message) to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"

Other Answers
-------------
   [Rick: The following looks like the best answer.]

   Telnet to sun.uakom.cs (yes, the Czech one), log in as
   netfind and search for 'poli padova italy'. Select the
   unipd.it domain (just one of the six choices you get) and
   wait a while. Netfind gives you the most probable address of
   someone called Gianni de Poli (short for Giovanni ?):

   SYSTEM: sabrina.dei.unipd.it
         Login name: depoli
         In real life: Gianni De Poli
         Directory: /users/noi/depoli
         Never logged in.
         No Plan.
   SUMMARY:
   The most promising email address for "poli"
   based on the above search is
   depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it.

   There's a catch however: this address hasn't been used yet
   (and will not be used ever given the noi (no interactive?)
   clue). Normally one would drop the sabrina part and use the
   address depoli@dei.unipd.it.

   A small investigation revealed that mail for
   depoli@dei.unipd.it is delivered to a machine called paola
   (allthough netfind tells you that it goes to sabrina!) and
   the command finger depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it reveales:

   [paola.dei.unipd.it]
   User     Real Name        What       Idle  TTY Host     Console Location
   depoli   Giovanni De Poli            7:31  *co giulia.d console

   So (with a little guessing) the real answer is:
   depoli@dei.unipd.it (In general one should be suspicious
   about addresses with 'hostnames' in it. I normally always
   drop machine specific parts in mail addresses and let the
   network find the best delivery method unless I have hard
   evidence (in case of your own address ;-) that the machine
   part should be specified. Netfind isn't hard evidence !)

-----
   1. telnet archie.au
   2. login: netfind
   3. Search

   Enter person and keys (blank to exit) --> depoli Padova Italy

   There are too many domains in the list.
   Please select at most 3 of the following:
    0. anna.dei.unipd.it (d.e.i. universita' di padova, italy)
    1. astrpd.astro.it (astronet, vicolo dell'osservatorio, padova,italy)
    2. bio.unipd.it (biology department, universita' di padova,italy)
    3. dei.unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
    4. ipdunivx.unipd.it (universita' di padova, centro calcolo diateneo, d
       ell'universita' di padova, v. s.francesco, padova, italy)
    5. necsy.it (necsy s.p.a, padova, italy)
    6. unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
   Enter selection (e.g., 3 1 2) --> 6

   MAIL FOR Giovanni De Poli IS FORWARDED TO
   depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it

   4. finger depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it

   [anna.dei.unipd.it]
     User     Real Name         What    Idle  TTY  Host      Console Location
   depoli   Giovanni De Poli           14:46  *co giulia.d console

   [Rick:  This was a tough nut for me to crack.  I still haven't
   finished it yet.  It seems there is more than one way to reach
   Giovanni.  To try to settle the matter, I sent a mail message
   to Giovanni at both sabrina and anna, and received the
   following message which doesn't exactly clear things up.  Note
   the From: line in the header.]

   From: depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it (Giovanni De Poli)
   To: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu
   Subject: Re: Question from the Internet Hunt

   Yes, I am Giovanni De Poli. My best E-mail address is
           depoli@dei.unipd.it

================================================================
6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: almost entirely Sunni Muslim.

   Search Strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   7.  The Researcher/
   4.  Social Sciences/
   4.  CIA World Factbook <?>
   index word: somalia
   3.  Somalia

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (simona): gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70
   choice 6, Library
   choice 6, Electronic Reference Books
   choice 2, CIA World Factbook 1991
   choice 2, Search CIA World Factbook 1991
   choice 2, Somalia
             Under the heading of Religion: Sunni Muslim

   COMMENT (clay): I used the Panix gopher!

Other Answers
-------------
   1. telnet quake.think.com
   2. login: wais
   3. goto 351:   [ cmns-moon.think.com]  world-factbook
   4. search for somalia

   The answer is

   Religion: almost entirely Sunni Muslim

-----
   ! Used the Univ. of Minnesota Gopher.
   ! Selected Electronic Books and performed a keyword search
   ! on SOMALIA
   ! Presented me with World Facts Book entry for Somalia.

   ! Full Gopher technical entry listed below
   Name=Somalia   /Gutenberg/factbook/S/
   Type=0
   Port=70
   Path=R0-8684-/Gutenberg/factbook/S/Somalia
   Host=joeboy.micro.umn.edu

================================================================
7. (4)  I understand that the Net is being put to use
distributing information and pictures of missing children.
Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: missing child GIFs are available through FidoNet.
   On the Internet, they can be ftp'd from halcynom.com.  More
   information can be obtained from Marv Cotton, the Heidi
   Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd., Universal City, TX
   78148-3210, email: marv.cotton@fquest.fidonet.org.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   2.  Other Internet Systems and Databases/
   8.  Search FTP Sites (Archie)/
   1.  Exact search of Archive sites on the Internet <?>
   index word: alt.missing-kids
   2.  cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (des): The news-group "alt.missing-kids" is the place
   to look.  The "official" site for the gifs (they have
   hundreds) is "halcyon.com".  The gifs (and related files)
   are in "pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs".

           anonymous ftp to halcyon.com
           cd pub/alt.missing-kids.gif

Other Answers
-------------
   On the French EMBnet gopher there is a directory for all
   newsgroups.  I found a group called alt/missing-kids. Using
   this as a keyword for archie I got this menu:

      Internet Gopher Information Client v1.1

      cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids/

      -->  1.  missing-child-gifs.

   This file contains the following:
     I would like to remind everyone that the Missing Child GIFs
     are available through the FIDO Filebone, also distribution
     can be made by Freqing and returning the REQUEST.ZIP form
     from 387/622, 2612/107, 384/3 or 343/34.

   INTERNET: The GIFs are available for FTP from Halcyon.COM
   or Fquest.

   RIME:  The GIFs are available through Russell Coombs.

   GT or other Nets please get in touch with me to ensure the
   GIFs are
   available to you.

-----
   [Rick: The following didn't get full points, but it seems
   like valuable information for those interested in pursuing
   this topic.]

   ! Used Veronica to keyword search on Children and
   ! Found a listing and Missing Children, this is all that
   ! I located pertaining to a database being planned.

   This item moved over AppleLink 6-Feb-92, 23:20PST.

   SCHENECTADY, NY - Computer Users for Social
   Responsibility, Inc.

   CUSR is also negotiating with a major online service to
   host a Child Find Forum online which will act as an
   educational and distribution center on the issue of missing
   children. More than 75 million Americans own a personal
   computer and 25% of those have access to a modem which
   allows them to engage in online communcations, Rittner said.

   To contact Don Rittner from the INTERNET:
   drittner@uacs1.albany.edu
   OR
   UG0194@AppleLink.Apple.COM

   OR home 518 374-1088
   snail mail is 1726 Lenox Rd., Schenectady, NY 12308"

================================================================
8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of
different foods?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: the tables are in the USDA Nutrient Data BAse for
   Standard Reference, Release 10--Nutrient Data from
   Agricultural Handbook No.  8.  There are more than 20 files
   of data.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   1.  Other Internet Gopher Servers/
   8.  Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
   2.  Search many (300) Internet gopher servers by Single
   keyword <?> index word: nutrition
   1.  Nutrition Information/
   1.  Nutrient Data/
   2.  Data/
   2.  SR10/

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (tovah, mintak): anonymous ftp to info.umd.edu
           cd info/Goverment/US/NutrientData/Data/SR10

   The files that exist here are the raw data in computer format.

           cd info/Government/US/NutrientData/Bulletins

   datalist    --  contains ordering information of database information
   datadesc    --  contains file format of data
   filedesc    --  contains file descriptions of the files.

   Note:  The data in the SR10 is split up among many files. You have to
          read filedesc to figure which file goes with what.

Other Answers
-------------
   Telnet University of Minnesota gopher:
   consultant.micro.umn.edu.  Select 9 (other), 2 (search
   Veronica) and search "nutrition".  Select 1 (nutrition
   information), 1 (nutrient data), 2 (data), 1 (other), 4
   (hg72.doc), 3 (hg72.dat).  It was necessary to look at the
   Readme files in the final selection options before making
   the correct choice.

   [Rick: I checked, and the data in all of these files is stored
   in ascii comma delimited format, a format readable by most
   database managers and spreadsheets.)

================================================================
9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: Congress shall make no law respecting an
   establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
   thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
   press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
   to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   6.  The Library/
   3.  Electronic Books and Other Texts/
   15.  Historical Documents/
   1.  Amendments

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (simona): anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org
           cd /pub/academic/civics
           file is called constitution.us

   COMMENT (reynolds): ftp to either ftp.uu.net (in docs I
   think), or one of the ftp sites at utoronto.edu

   [Rick: 1 point off for not giving me the text.]

================================================================
10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by
FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net.  What kind of computer and operating
system is nnsc.nsf.net?

   Individual Winner's Answer
   --------------------------
   Answer: SUN-3/280 running UNIX.

   Search strategy:
   telnet nic.ddn.mil
   @ whois
   whois: host nnsc.nsf.net

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (des):
       % whois nnsc.nsf.net
       NSFNet (CIC2)
          Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
          10 Moulton Street
          Cambridge, MA  02138

          Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
          Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
          Address: 128.89.1.178
   >>>>>  System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX

          Coordinator:
             Mills, Cynthia G.  (CGM6)  cmills@BBN.COM
             (617) 873-4143

          domain server
          NSFNET End-User Support

          Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.


   To see this host record with registered users, repeat the
   command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to
   show JUST the registered users.

       %

   HINT (reynolds): The hosts file at nic.ddn.mil might have
   this information.

   (nina): nslookup will do this, but I don't have the syntax
   handy right now.

Other Answers
-------------
   [Rick: I think the following is the best answer]

   Answer: SUN-3/280 running SunOS release 4.1.1

         First TELNET NIC.DDN.MIL or 192.112.36.5
         @WHOIS
         Whois: NNSC.NSF.NET

   ! Lets see what the official NIC entry about NNSC.NSF.NET
   ! says.  Extra info provided such as who to contact with
   ! questions.

         NSFNet (CIC2)
           Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
           10 Moulton Street
           Cambridge, MA  02138

           Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
           Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
           Address: 128.89.1.178

   ! Next line is simple blurb about computer system and
   ! operating system

           System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX

           Coordinator:
              Mills, Cynthia G.  (CGM6)  cmills@BBN.COM
              (617) 873-4143

           domain server
           NSFNET End-User Support

           Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.

   ! Last update 26-Mar-92?  Let us check to see if we got all
   ! the info, let's connect through TELNET and check a few more
   ! details.

         Telnet NNSC.NSF.NET or 128.89.1.178 and you get:
         SunOS UNIX (nnsc.nsf.net)

   ! Those familiar with unix may know that there is often a
   ! standard login entry called sync which will show detailed
   ! info, below is revealed the exact version of the operation
   ! system.

   login: sync
   SunOS Release 4.1.1 (NNSC) #2: Fri Oct 16 17:21:31 EDT 1992

-----
   Telnet to the Knowbot white pages (Telnet 134.82.11.4 185).
   Enter "nnsc.nsf.net" yields results:
   > nnsc.nsf.net

   Name:         NSFNet
   Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
   Address:      10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA  02138,
   Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET,
   Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET, Address: 128.89.1.178,
   System: SUN-3/280 running UNI X,
   [etc...]

   [Rick: Many players noted that during the process of connecting
   to this host you get a message that this is a Sun running
   Unix.  The information above is more specific, and thus
   received more points.]
================================================================
Extra Credit. (1)  Where can I find the exact time?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: the National Bureau of Standards Time Service gives
   you the current time as read from the National Bureau of
   Standards reference clock in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

   Search strategy:
   telnet nessie.cc.wwu.edu (username: LIBS)
   4.  Databases and Information Services
   7.  Weather/Time/Earthquakes
   3.  National Bureau of Standards Time Service

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   HINT (reynolds): Look in comp.protocols.time.ntp. A good
   site probably is the United States Naval Observatory.

   (rpowers): From the doc file for a PD program call AtomClock:

   AtomClock will dial the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington
   D.C., read the 1200 BAUD time signal their atomic clock puts
   out and set the Amiga system clock accordingly.

   The phone # is 1-202-653-0351.  I don't know if there is
   internet access to this.

   (des): The above is not really an "Internet" answer to the
   question, as it bypasses the Internet.

   I could not find an Internet-site specifically for this, but
   the site "louie.udel.edu" is the net-repository for ntp
   (Network Time Protocol) software and is itself an ntp server
   synchronized to the "exact time" of the atomic-clock:

       louie.udel.edu (128.175.1.3)
       Location: University of Delaware, Newark, DE
   >>> Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Vax-11/780/Unix
       Service area: NSFNET, SURA region
       Access policy: open access
       Contact: Dave Mills (mills@udel.edu)

   Thus that site certainly should have the correct time. Doing
   an anonymous ftp to this site, yields the correct time in
   the introductory message:

   % ftp louie.udel.edu
   Connected to louie.udel.edu.
   220-Welcome to the University of Delaware EE/CIS ftp server!
   220-
   220-Anonymous users:
   220-
   220-    Please do not upload any image files.
   220-
   220-    Please avoid our busy times, 10:00 - 17:00 weekdays.
   220-    We are on the east coast of the United States.
   220-    Local time is Thu Jan  7 18:45:59 1993.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   (jhawk):
   [sun!jhawk] ~> telnet louie.udel.edu daytime
   Trying 128.175.1.3 ...
   Connected to louie.udel.edu.
   Escape character is '^]'.
   Thu Jan  7 19:27:41 1993
   Connection closed by foreign host.

Rick's Answer
-------------
   telnet a2i.rahul.net
   login: guest
   choose t
   and you get a running readout..

   >> Current time
   Hit ^C to abort...
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:40 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:41 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:42 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:43 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:44 1993

      etc...

   choose f for Interesting features and you will find the
   following explanation:

   The a2i system clock is indirectly traceable to NIST via the Network
   Time Protocol.  It is usually accurate to within 0.3 seconds.  (Select
   "t" from the menu to get a second-by-second count.)

Other Answers
-------------
   The "exact" time is relative. You can find the time that any
   computer on the Internet has by

   telnet hostname daytime.

   The host india.colorado.edu is supposedly connected to the
   NBS reference clock in Colorado Springs. This should be as
   "exact" as you need. For example,

   telnet india.colorado.edu daytime

   gives:

   Trying 128.138.140.44 ...
   Connected to india.colorado.edu.
   Escape character is '^]'.
   Sun Jan 10 11:25:22 1993
   Connection closed by foreign host.

-----
     Also found with the help of Veronica:
     Name=Current Date and Time (Pacific)
     Type=0
     Port=70
     Path=0/computing/ian-testing/give-date
     Host=whistler.sfu.ca
   or
     if you are on a UNIX system use the Network Time Protokol
     (NTP) with the appropriate software to have your system time
     updated via the net.

-----
   Use a time-serving host, e.g. tutimea.tuwien.ac.at, for reference.

   [Rick: Another tricky extra credit.  I knew the service at
   tycho.usno.navy.mil was not working as advertised.  The Network
   Time Protocol keeps the system clocks up-to-date on most Unix
   hosts on the Net. For many folks, the time on their own local
   host is as accurate as they could want.  I believe the service
   mentioned above for the Amiga also has a parallel for Macs over
   the network.  If I find more info, I'll post it later.]

================================================================
Mystery Question
----------------
Howdy,   I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I
am thinking that you are the right person to ask this question.
I have been trying to locate an online source of the billboard
top 100, or top forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that
billboard magazine is indexed in asap2 which is offered by
Dialog, and I have tried searching it, but no luck, any
suggestions thanks dan mahoney dmahone@hal.unm.edu

Answers
-------
   Here is an update on the Billboard charts for the week
   ending 12/12/92: Copyright Billboard Magazine (1992)
   To see this file try "finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu".

-----
   ANSWER (nina): anonymous ftp to cs.uwp.edu
            look in the directory pub/music/lists/billboard.

           (ss): finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu

-----
   Mystery Question: According to "archie billboard", host
   cs.uwp.edu is supposed to have a /pub/music/billboard
   directory.  Upon FTPing there, I discovered that they no
   longer have it.  What they do have in /pub/music/info are
   the weekly Record & Radio industry top 20's.

-----
   [Rick: This can also be found with a simple veronica search on
   the term "billboard".  It yields:

      -->  1.  (dir) Billboard Charts/
      -->  9.  jan23.1993/
      -->  1.  CHART: US Top10 (1/23)
   ]
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