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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Blowing up the Borg (was Re: Mistake in Borg episode)
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:35:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct8.131240.11209@urbana.mcd.mot.com> mscott@urbana.mcd.mot.com writes:
>I just thought of a way that they could've blown up the Borg ship! Since
>the Enterprise crew were allowed to beam aboard the Borg ship, why couldn't
>they have beamed a few photon torpedoes on-board the the Borg ship, & then
>blown it up from the inside? I'm sure someone will think of a reason why 
>this wouldn't work, but I say it would have done it!

Antimatter doesn't transport well in large quantities, and this
is what photon torpedoes use to cause damage.

Joshua
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:21:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.162114.8050
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct06.043524.29581@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.163754.1363@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>> Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?

	Mid-level net.deity, who  is NOT, repeat, NOT, the net.oracle.

>Spoilers


>   I think he's related to David Lynch.

	That, too.

>
>    I think more people like his review since he's a little
>more positive about Trek than some of the other reviewers
>(say, Atsushi, though despite his mostly negative reviews,
>they are usually quite informative).  Among the other reviewers
>I've seen -- Michael Rawdon, Jason Snell, Roger Tang (he's not
>reviwed in a while), 

	Nice to be remembered....

>    Eventually folks get tired of the reviewing business.
>Tim mentioned that he was going to be awfully busy and

	Hmmm.....there's is a thing called getting a life....(as in
off pursuing young starlets, not so young starlets and....)





-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: time's arrow paradox
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:20 EST

 -=> On 10-15-92  01:24, Steve Willer babbled to Bernie Wong saying: <=-

 SW> Got it. Still have to take a moment to get used to Usenet on this BBS.
 SW> No big deal about the message being lost. I have hot air to spare :)

 SW> Isn't there something about me needing to leave the first line blank,
 SW> too, so the gateway doesn't think it's a personal message? Or is that
 SW> in another situation?

OK, here's how you do it.  If you're going to make a PUBLIC message,
reply to a message and stick in a "UN: " WITH the space before each
subject line.  This will unfortunately limit your subject to only 21
characters.  I suggest you simply delete the last four character and
then append the "UN: ".

For PRIVATE E-mail messages, reply to a message and make the private
flag YES.  Then change to TO: space to "USENET GATEWAY".  You _DO NOT_
need to enter a "UN: " in the subject line for personal E-mail.  And
then, last but not least, take the message writer's E-mail address
(found at the bottom of the message in the "From: " statement) and put
it in the top and change it to "TO: firstname.lastname@canrem.com" or
something like that.

Yes, it sounds confusing...  I suggest you go to conference 8 and you'll
probably get a much easier answer.  Or for a professionally written one,
open some door (can't remember which one, the Usenet one obviously) in
conference 8 for some further assistance.

Writing E-mail messages as a new user is by-far the most confusing thing
of all.  If you however are confused about what an address is, they can
often be found in someone's "sig.".  For instance, my "sig." says my
name, where I'm calling from, and my E-mail address.  But if you also
look at the end of my message, you will see on some line:

From: bernie.wong@canrem.com (bernie wong)

That's my address!  It would be easier to use SLME's cut-and-paste
features to move this line to the top of your message, and then just
change the "From: " to "TO: "...

See, SIMPLE!  :-)


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: os902821@maple.canberra.edu.au (Scott David McLauchlan)
Subject: Re: OBrien's Rank-Solution?
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:42:25 GMT

I know very little about military ranks, but I always thought he was
called Chief O'Brian as an abreviation for *Transporter* Chief O'Brian.
Of course, I could be wrong. I has been known :-)

SCOTT McLAUCHLAN
From: zrde05@trc.amoco.com (Robert D. Ess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Why you're disappointed
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: zrde05@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research

I, for one, am more than pleased with the current season so far. I am both a TOS and TNG fan. I think some of you may have gotten a little too close to the Star Trek phenomena and in the process, distanced yourself from it's initial appeal. The shows broadcast thus far as as good or better than any other season. Yes, you can surgically dissect these shows until all you have left is the bloody remains, but, how much fun is it to look at the remains? Lighten up a bit. There will be bad shows, good shows, and













 great shows. Go out for a malt, call your girlfriend, put ST on the backburner for a week or so. When you come back, you'll find the only thing that had changed about the show was your attitude towards it.
From: ch134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michelle Guydosh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:30:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This is to all the repliers to this subjuct and the writer.
The crew was picked according to the time period of the episodes,
and I think they were picked correctly.

If there was going to be another ship and crew roster, all new characters
and actors would be pickeed.

If you have a non biased response I would like to hear it and I'll get back 
as soon as possible.

michelle g.  
a TOS and TNG fan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: "Yes, Ma'am." (was: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People")
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:48:01 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct13.002815.4401@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com writes:

> Well, I would think that after the all to willing Ensign left Troi's
> quarters just after a roll in the psych, that saying "yes sir" would sound
> even weirder.... Besides, do you really, *really* think she had for *force*
> him ????
> Dave

  Hey, gang, I don't suppose anybody here has considered the fact that Ensign
Willing-and-Able was no doubt VERY flustered at having the 1st Officer in the
room right after getting it on with a member of the senior bridge crew?  He
was also no doubt thinking of Troi as a woman, not an officer.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 16:13:22 MST
From: <ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: ""Trek"" history made in ""Realm of Fear"" (**SPOILERS**)
 <10OCT92.00090591@vax.clarku.edu>

To be technically corrent, wouldn't it be more appropriate that the immage
'seen' by someone while transporting should go 'black' suddenly as the
eyes (as well as the brain) looses its molecular structure?
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Klingon language tapes
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:49:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct13.184947.9920
Organization: Western Washington University


According to the latest Publishers Weekly (10/5/92) SImon and
Schuster is releasing a language instruction program on cassette 
entitled "Star Trek: Conversational Klingo."  It solemnly explains
that "Klingon will soon fulfill the language requirement at a
number of Federation universities."

Apparently the oral presentation is by Michael Dorn (Worf) and
Mark Okrand, the linguist who designed the language for
Paramount.
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG Movie -- running out of ideas??
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:42:24 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

Possible *SPOILERS* on our side of the Atlantic ...



  It seems to me, having seen or heard about various episodes
of TNG, that Paramount have wasted a lot of good potential
screenplays for a TNG movie by trying to cram a lot of very
complex and convuluted stories into the one hour show format,
or by spinning out a story to two episodes.
  It sounds like "Relics" is a prime example of this problem, 
in that a story, more suited to a feature length film, was chopped
up and reduced to a one hour TV programme.
  There are plenty of other examples - for example (I can't remember
the name of the episode) - the story which involved various high
ranking members of Starfleet being controlled by the space-bugs
which took over their minds.  I remember being quite disappointed
that the story seemed to jump from discovering the existance of
the space-bugs, to suddenly tracking them down in Starfleet HQ.
  We've also had the long running storyline of the Romulans
trying to split the Klingon Empire and the Federation, and break
up the treaty between them.  Again, another potentially good  
screenplay, and in the best tradition of TOS movies, with the
various "cold-war" manoevrings between the Federation and
the Klingons.
  We've also had BOBW(1&2), which has been the biggest showdown
between the Federation and the Borg to date ... what's left?
  They're going to have to come up with a pretty good storyline
from somewhere.
  Don't get me wrong - I would love to see a TNG movie - with
more money being poured into the special effects, and more time
to craft a decent story with good acting and a higher production
standard than is possible on TV, a TNG movie would be a real
Trek milestone ...
  Opinions??

pete j suters ---- bath university ---- email: p.j.suters@uk.ac.swurcc 
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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: CATCHING A DOWNLINK
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:39:12 GMT


 > Heck, if you can put together a cheapo system for a hundred bucks, 
 > it might be worth it for a real STTNG fan!

...actually, the major cost elements of a decent dish receiver system are
the LNA (the "horn" at either the base or the point of the dish, depending
on the design) and the actual downconverter itself (looks sort of like
a VCR without the slot for the tape, in most cases).

The dish itself can actually be made with relativly little cost, percentage
wise. In fact, I've seen plans for a C and Ku-compatible dish that's made
from - get this - screen door parts.

This isn't a joke, either. Hams have been tinkering with screen door 
antennas for years, and the ARRL reportedly has recorded a moonbounce with
the receiving dish being made from a screen door tuned for 2m ops!

...be aware, however: a LOT of the serious stuff one would want to watch
these days is scrambled (*). The only things I can state right off the bat
that aren't are:

Paramount Syndication feeds (including TNG, ET, Limp Copy)
Syndilink feeds (Jerry & Joan Rivers)
The Sci-Fi channel (no shit! it's NOT scrambled!)
The Nostalgia channel
NASA Select
CBS Regional Newsnet feeds
CNN/Group W Syndicated news feeds
Most of the CBC's programming (they USED to show Prisoner reruns on Anik)

One suggestion, if you own a dish, is to grab a copy of _Orbit_. Be aware,
however, that I've found _Orbit_ not to be as comprehensive as one might
expect. They don't list syndicated movie package feeds - which is not
denounceable, since most of those feeds are "spur of the moment" - nor do
they list transponders & birds for "raw" news feeds and anything else that
a dishdigger would catch just for grins.

I truly suspect that the reason they leave out some of those "miscellaneous"
feeds is not so much due to space, but to leave the sense and thrill of
exploration for the dishdiggers. However, my complaint about that is that
those rotors are damn expensive to replace when you've burned them out
shooting back and forth between Satcom F2R and Telstar 303 several times
a night looking for new signals :-(

                                                        OM

(*) One of the interesting things about scrambling is that according to
the basic FCC rules, only the Federal government is allowed to scramble
any signal. Everything else is supposed to be easily received to help
prevent transmission of illegal and/or subversive signals.

Of course, nobody's challenged this rule yet...
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From: ech002@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Data as 2nd
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.013959.26071@sarah.albany.edu>, ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
> In article <1992Oct06.170929.42572@watson.ibm.com> annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com (Brenda Molina) writes:
>>|> >     Riker, if promoted, would choose Worf as his first officer.  Remember
>>|> >that he did so, with apologies to Data, when he captained a ship in
>>|> >a wargames exercise with the Enterprise.
>>|> 
>>|> Didn't Picard say something like `You can have anyone except Data, who will
>>|> be my Number One' ?
>>|> 
>>
>>In the war games episode, Picard kept Data.  In one of the episodes
>>where Picard is gone (BOBW??), Riker apologised to Data and had
>>Worf as first officer.
> 
> I thought Riker selected Commander Shelby as his first officer because
> of her expertise concerning the Borg.
> 
> Yasmin
> 
> 	In the war games epidode, Riker chose Worf over LaForge not Data.  Worf
had asked to serve with Riker earlier in the episode as did LaForge.  Since
LaForge was needed in engineering, both Riker and LaForge agreed that Worf
should be second officer.  Riker even joked about needing some of that "Klingon
guile."  Data remained on the Enterprise simply because he was the third
officer and was needed to fill Riker's post.
	In the future, please either fully watch the episodes that you comment
on or ask someone that has.

  Eric.   ech002@acad.drake.edu
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From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Keywords: Totally Nude 
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.212745.8389@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy) writes:
>I seem to remember that in the episode where Q is reduced to human status,
>he suddenly pops into existence on the Enterprise completely naked.
>
>As a matter of fact, i watched the tape a friend had of it a few months
>ago, and there was a quick spot where the screen was black that
>corresponded to what what would have been the very revealing front view
>of Q.  I figured that the local station inserted it in a fit of prudity.
>does anyone else remember it like this?
>
>no .sig
>

Yes, this is true that they showed DeLancie naked, waist up, from the 
back.  But on Civil Wars they show the woman naked, waist up,
from the front.  She is covering her breasts somewhat with her hands.
This is the first instance on American network t.v. that this 
amount of nudity has occrued.
From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:35:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uacsc2.1687BF751.JC924
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

In article <1b4ogeINNd5l@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington) writes:
 
>It's nice to see someone praising the show.  It's about time this happened.
>I agree completely.  The R.A.S groups have turned into a Startrek bashing
>forum.
>--
Count me in as well!  I've enjoyed all three episodes so far.  You can
analyze some things to death.  Why not just sit back and enjoy!
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: baycon '92
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:48 EST

This is kind of another followup question to that "Baycon '92" post in
r.a.s.i posted about a month ago, so I expect no spoilers.


Anyways, about "Baycon '92" I am still disturbed about the "wall of
ships" in the observation lounge that was apparently destroyed during
the filming of STVI.  Have you guys not noticed that during at least
season 6, that Geordi and Data (who normally have their backs towards
the wall) are all shot standing up, squished next to Picard so they can
avoid the angle of a blank wall?  I have noticed this in both "Realm of
Fear" and "Man of the People".  When are they going to fix the wall?
Surely they have enough money to rebuild it...



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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET: bernie.wong@canrem.com

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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Relics"
Date: 16 Oct 1992 06:36:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct16.005539.376@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>Having Picard on the original Enterprise's bridge would be like
>putting George McGovern in charge of the D-Day operation of WWII.

Yeah, especially since McGovern was busy flying B-24's bombing Berlin.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: sadams@cwis.unomaha.edu (Steven Richard Adams)
Subject: Where is the Time-Line
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:25:13 GMT

Yesterday (Oct 15,1992) I View this news group for the frist time. I found
very interesting 4-part history time line of startrek events. I Only view
the frist part. Today I plan to read all 4 part and copy to offline text
file, could not find it.
      Plase repost it or till me were to find this time-line.

Steve R. Adams
     One of many Startrek Fan in Omaha, Nebraska.
From: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM (James Mangin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Scotty on TNG new episode?!
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:53:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cadillac

I saw the previews for next week's episode:  Looks like they pull Scotty out of
some kind of Transporter time-warp.  Cool!

On a different note:  How many of you thought Troi (usually obnoxious) looked 
pretty dynamite in that see-through white outfit that showed her breasts from 
the side?  Yes!  (in the most recent episode)

Cheers,

J~


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From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Subject: Re: Ensign/Cadet Wesley (was Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER])
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.020343.11146@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> franke@eta.fsu.edu (Jerry Franke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.022024.13332@newstand.syr.edu>, crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>> In article <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
>> >
>> >4. Wesley Crusher's demotion to Cadet.
>> 
>> Remember, though, that Picard only authorized him to act as an Acting Endign,
>> not a fully commissioned one (he never did wear Starfleet red until he was
>> actually at the Academy; besides, Starfleet Acadamy graduates are given the
>> rank of sub-Ensign, I believe, and you can you have a real rank when you haven't
>> been to school for it?)
>> 
>
>Actually, Wesley was field promoted to full ensign not long before his 
>departure (and wore red as well).  Unfortunately, I don't remember the
>episode's name.

  The name of the episode was "Menage a Troi".  Not exactly the
highest rated episode of TNG.  :)

							Rusty
Russell J. Soots -- North Carolina State University -- SED + SMB + minor in GN
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:55:44 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct13.205634.28644@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <rawdon.719008680@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>[Warning: I'm deliberately overreacting here, since I'm not in much of a
>>mood to suffer fools, gladly or otherwise, today.]

>>>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>>>:)Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
>>>>:)quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
>>>>:)ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
>>>>:)reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
>>>>:)reviews from this site.

>Fine.  Good riddens to you.  
	     ^^^^^^^
>And to Michael Rawdon, neither am I in such a mood.

Including a mood to spell, it would seem.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Imzadi and Admiral Uhura
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.013526.5408@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
>underused actress, with rare exceptions like ST5 and the alternative
>universe TOS episode (Mirror, Mirror?).  Somebody get her back on!

But ST5 didn't happen, so her only good episode is "Mirror Mirror". 

:)
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