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From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: Returning Jedi
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:27:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.191204.15949@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu  
(George Francis McBay) writes:

> 	You don't give Luke enough credit here. :)  Sure, it is Darth Vader
> who does the actual physical-killing of the Emperor (unless you believe the
> stuff they print in Dark Horse's Dark Empire comics), but it was Luke's
> strength in the force and commitment to his father that caused Darth Vader
> to turn from the Dark Side back to the Light.  In ESB it was mentioned by
> the Emperor that he had forseen that Luke could "destroy us" (us meaning
> Emperor and Darth Vader)  And he did, he destroyed Darth Vader in the same
> way Darth Vader destroyed Anakin Skywalker.  Luke was much stronger in the
> force than Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker (and even Obi-Wan for that matter,
> considering Luke *did* turn Anakin whereas ObiWan failed when he "once
> though like" Luke (That DV could be turned back).  The only reason Darth was
> able to kill the Emperor whereas Luke couldn't is that DV had a major element
> of surprise.  BTW.  I always loved the ROTJ scene in which Darth Vader
> keeps looking back and forth between Luke and the Emperor, even though
> he is wearing the mask, you can see how confused Darth Vader is while 
> deciding what to do.
> 
> 

I don't know if Luke was necessrily stronger than Ben in the Force.  The fact  
that he was able to turn Vader while Ben was not might be related more to  
family ties than to the actual power of the force.
 


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From: pklinker@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 21:52:20 GMT
Organization: None

In article <1992Oct7.190650.13185@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain) writes:
>In article <Bvr9ws.6L3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Russell Cleaver) writes:
>>lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>>> In article <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>
>>> >Lucas was quoted as saying, "I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
>>> >something new."
>>> >It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to another movie
>>> >is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>>>
>>> Oh, *man*, Lucas *can't* do this. Can he?
>>> He couldn't. Not with all the SW publicity he's churning out--
>>> books, RPG stuff, "X-Wing," and so forth.
>
>>But (if I may play devil's advocate for a moment):
>>I suppose if Lucas *wanted* to create a new wave of
>>SW marketing/merchandising, just for the heck of it, he could.
>>He doesn't necessarily *have* to follow-up this new publicity with a
>>new movie; he could simply be reaping further profits from the work
>>he's already done!
>
>    Perhaps he is getting a "feel" of how well received a movie would be
>from the public, by generating a little stir?
>
>Glenn..........
>
I remember reading in U.S. News and World Report (the issue came out some
time in mid 1991) that Lucas was waiting for computer graphics technololgy
to improve before he made the new movies.  The article this was written in
was about computer graphics in movies and it showed a lot of scenes from 
"The Abyss".  The part on Star Wars was a small blurb, so take it for
what it's worth.

Paul
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From: s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox)
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Subject: >Tie-fighters's BIG side panels
Keywords: Field of vision
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:44:56 GMT
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Well, regarding field of vision, the Tie-fighter has absolutely NO visibility
to the sides due to it's solar panels, but the X-wing allows only a 270 deg
field of vision to the front and sides. Notice that the cockpit is set
fairly low and there's no field of view towards the 5 to 7 o'clock position.

	You might have noticed most of the X-wing are destroyed from the back,
and the pilots usually says that they can't see their attackers and require
assistance from another pilot.


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From: rse3765@venus.tamu.edu (ERKERT, RONALD STEWART)
Subject: Jedi Death (was Re: Vader's Death)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <Bw4xsu.43y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes...
>bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
> 
> 
			<stuff deleted>
> 
>By the way, exactly how well-trained in the Force does one have to be 
>before one earns the privilege of having one's body dematerialize upon
>death?  Any theories?
> 
> 
>                                   --Steve Stelter
>                                     sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

In my humble opinion, I would say a jedi would have to be a master in order to
command the power necessary to make the leap from corporal bodies to astral.
Note that the only ones seen to do this were Ben, Yoda, and Anakin.  The 
Emperor probably had the power to make the leap, but in his greed and evil, he
failed to see that death could be a new beginning not an end.  And it is not
until the end that Vader sees the light (so to speak).

Cowboy (New to the group, got bored last night and was running thru my news.rc
	file and found a group devoted to my favorite movie, or series as the
	case is.)

ps I'm interested in hearing about the chess set as well.  I'm a collector of
   such things.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:36:36 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct14.223048.17949@Princeton.EDU>  writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.030957.6761@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu  
>(Brian Perler) writes:
>> In article <1bcasbINNk2s@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne  
>Martin) writes:
>> >	On a different subject, this summer someone mentioned on the net that a
>> >STAR WARS Chess set (like the Star Trek one) was being made. Any info when  
>it
>> >will be available and for how much?
>> 
>> A Star Wars chess set?  Interesting.  Of course, the question is:
>> who would each of the pieces be?  I've come up with the following
>> (tentative) idea:

[My list deleted for space.  I'm revising it in my head as I type,
and I'll probably post it soon]

>Tarkin and Piett would probably look very similar (well Piett could have his  
>little hat, I guess)  How 'bout an imperial guard for the bishop?  (The  
>red-dudes) Also for rooks there is also the possibility of using ships like in 
>the ST chess set.

Maybe.  The main problem I'm having here is that it's too rather easy
to find enough (well, more than enough) characters to use for the
Rebels, and not nearly enough for the Imperials.  The Rebels would
probably get separate people for King's/Queen's pieces.  The
Imperials would be tougher, though, as there just weren't enough
unique ones to put in there.  Oh, well, I'll keep thinking.
Now if only I had the means to actually MAKE this...

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: Starwars/Steven King... Hunh???
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:04:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.104021.3006@wkuvx1.bitnet> wiegekn@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>
>   Recently, a friend of mine and I were skimming over these
>nets and found a very intresting article on trademarking the
>new stuff from the books, and something was mentioned about
>what happened to Steven King recently. Would someone out there
>in net land please send me any pertinant information about this?
>My frequency of reading these nets is woefully low, and I would
>really like to know about this one. Please E-Mail me your responses
>so as not to horribly clutter up the net. 

What I was referring to is the new movies that have been made using
concepts created by Stephen King.  They have made a part II to the
Pet Semetary and are making another part II to another Stephen King
movie/book, without Stephen King's participation.  I think the other
movie is the Lawnmower Man, but I am not sure.  I'm not sure of the
specifics behind it, but I am sure if these concepts/books were created
by George Lucas, nobody would be allowed to create sequals to them
without his permission.  

I would really like to know exactly what the situation is with Stephen
King and these movies.  Anybody know?

				Ron
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Heir to the Empire
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:46:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:34:19 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:34:19 GMT, tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Trevathon Ryder) said:

tryder> Anyhow, does anyone know when the sequal to Heir to the
tryder> Empire, Dark Force Rising, will be released on paperback?  I'm
tryder> too cheap to buy the hardcover, then again, maybe the library
tryder> has it?!

Paperback will be out in May.

tryder> Secondly, who is Mara at Jabba's palace??  She claims to have
tryder> been there, and Skywalker made a fool out of her .. The only
tryder> thing I can think of is that she could possibly be Boba Fett
tryder> and managed to escape before being digested ...  Any ideas?

Sounds like you didn't read HttE very carefully. It was explained who
she was.

tryder> Thirdly, where is the Star Wars FTP site I heard someone
tryder> mention!?!

In my .sig...




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From: thealien@unlv.edu (Sean McCarthy)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Organization: UNLV
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:53:57 GMT

I think it would be prudent to point out that any article saying "Star
Wars 4" is seriously out of it in the first place, since 4 was the
first movie made.  Just a comment on the knowledge of the source.

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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:12:09 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:

>>> A Star Wars chess set?  Interesting.  Of course, the question is:
>>> who would each of the pieces be?  I've come up with the following
>>> (tentative) idea:

<multiple deletia>

>Queen's Rook: Lando

  This is the only one I have a problem with.  Given that in a
  regular chess set, the rooks represent castles rather than
  people, the SW rooks should probably be either droids or
  spaceships.  This would give a choice of X-wings/TIEs, or
  R2&3PO/whatever.  (TIE pilots?  DS Droids?  Probots?  Any ideas?)

-- 

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:05:37 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Delta Source

In article <UepB0m600WBMQ7sdQq@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Scott T. Morgan"
<sm89+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>I agree with Mason, Winter is your Delta source. I can't really back
>that with hard evidence, but I just have the really bad feeling about
>it...

But it's SOOOOOOOO obvious! How could anybody possibly be surprised by that?


Oh, by the way....I was skimming through Heir and DFS lately, and I came across
a passage where Thrawn says something like "or so my SOURCES tell me" ( the
capitalization is mine )....... With me already thinking it's the plants, I
took this as further "proof", because it hints that Delta Source is more than
one thing ( i.e. a corridorful of ch'hala trees! )
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: More sources about:(No more movies?)
Originator: cmgeorg@c00081-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:34:04 GMT



|>In article <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
 
    Brandon's stuff about Cinemastique and "no more movies" deleted

>In article <92281.015240DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

     In a nutshell: he read the mag also, and doesn't like "heresay" over the 
     net.  He wants more printed proof.
___________________

Well, a few months back I posted the article that appeared in Parade ,the weekly
magazine included in many Sunday papers.  They said that Lucas WILL make the 
prequels to his movies (i.e. the first three).  I have the article at my 
apartment and it's pretty short so I can repost for those of you who doubt my 
synopsis.

-Chris

   
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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Wanted:  TRADE/BUY SW Cards
Summary: Orange Set wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:39:11 GMT
Keywords: SW Cards

Hello.  I need these ORANGE cards:

296
305
307
315
316

I have many to trade, from all five colors.  Also ESB.

I'll buy if I have to.

Thanks!!

Jeff   (elbel@symcom.math.uiuc.edu)
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 13:21:08 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Greedo .gifs

Could someone either upload Greedo .gifs to the wpi.wpi.edu ftp site or
email it to me so that I could uudecode it?

Also, does anyone have a Greedo figure from either SW or ESB on card
(condition really doesn't matter) or just the Greedo package?  

Any info/.gifs would be appreciated.

Thanks.

-Michael Cote
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:52:40 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: No more movies?

In article <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>    I read an article in the march 1992 issue of Cinematastique entitled
>'Where's Star Wars 4'.  It told of how Lucas approached Joe Johnson and asked
>him to direct the next movie.  Mr. Johnson insisted he get to do all three in
>sequence at the same time to cut costs.  Lucas agreed and preproduction was
>started.  But all of a sudden, Lucas told everyone to go home and the project
>was aborted.  Lucas was quoted as saying,"I'm bored with Star Wars I want to
>do
>something new."  The article got nasty afterwards, commenting on Lucas' penny
>pinching style of business.  It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to
>another movie is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>     I was heartbroken to find all this out, I pray its not true.
>
>                                              Brandon.

I read this article too! ( Although, I have to admit that I was too cheap
to buy the magazine, so I read it in Comic Swap. )  I also picked up on
the "nasty", defeatist attitude toward the end of the article where it said
that stuff about Zahn being the closest we'll get to new Star Wars stuff.
And then, over the summer and especially lately, I read all this stuff
on the net that made it sound as if the new movies were definitely going
to happen, at least by '97. But now that I think about it, this magazine
article was the only word I've seen in PRINT; all this "horse's mouth"/
"official word" stuff on the net has been just that: ON THE NET. Which
means I have an unshakable distrust of its validity. My question is this:
is there anything out there that contradicts the aforementioned magazine
article or follows up on it in a positive light? Or is Lucas' telling
everyone to go home a big smoke screen?
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From: browning@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Howard J. Browning)
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:23:27 GMT

Here is my list of pieces for a Star Wars chess set.
I realize making Han the knight keeps him from being the piece next to Leia, but
I thought Queen's Knight was more appropriate.....
BTW, does anyone know what Star Wars lead miniatures are available for the RPG.
This could be done.............

King: Luke
Queen:Leia
K.Bishop:Yoda
Q.Bishop:Ben
K.Knight:Chewie
Q.Knight:Han
K.Rook:R2
Q.Rook:Threepio
Pawns:2 each:Regular, Hoth, and Endor Rebels: X-Wing pilots

King:Emperor
Queen:Vadar
Bishops: Throne Room Guards
K.Knight:Boba Fett
Q.Knight:IG-88
Rooks: DeathStar Gunners(you know the guys with the funny helmets that pull 
					THE LEVER!)
Pawns: 2 of each:Stormtrooper, Snowtrooper, Biker Scout, TIE pilots


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From: ss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Question about a scene from Jabba's place
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:00:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 13 Oct 92 17:19:40 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Oct 92 17:19:40 GMT, rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani) said:


rku45136> I was watching ROTJedi on HBO last night. I never understood
rku45136> why the dancing girl in Jabba's place was finghting with
rku45136> Jabba and thrown to the Rancor (I think the dancer's name
rku45136> was Oola, or something like that.)

Jabba wanted to have his way with her, and she protested. Scratch one
dancing girl...

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:28:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) says:

>I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
>doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...

OK, as long as someone else is going out on a limb, I might as well
add my two cents.  The magazine I write for, the Cleveland Ansible,
published a "Random Factoid" early this year stating that the series
was in pre-production.  It said that Anthoy Daniels had already been
signed, and that negotiations were going on with Mark Hammill to play
the part of young Anakin.  (Or was it young Obi-Wan?  Probably Anakin.)

I called my editor to see what the source had been, but since it was
quite a while ago, she couldn't remember.  Even if it was true, though,
that would mean that there was no-way it could be out in '93.  That's
just not enough time to make a SW movie.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised.

----  TJ

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