HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:03:58 GMT

In article <15029@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>I think that the Federal government did a very poor job of dealing with this.
>There is much that could have been done to reduce the operating costs of Air
>Canada and Canadian by reducing duplication, rather than merging the airlines.
>
>Here's two examples: Why do both airlines need their own reservation system?
>And why do both of them need to rent a set of gates at each airport that they
>both fly to?

Air Canada and CAI have the same reservation system...one of the
conditions of the American offer was that CAI adopt American's
reservation system causing an immediate loss of Canadian jobs at
in favor of American ones.

Gerald
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:22:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep10.051538.10993@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
> Well I heard on the news tonight that Canadian  and Air Canada will become
>one. I just wanted to express my whole-hearted feelings about this:
>
>I think it's horrible. A monopoly airline will charge whatever they please
>and do whatever they wish without the competition
>
>*sigh*
>
According to Radio Netherlands, the Netherlands and the U.S. recently
signed an "open skies agreement" -- it gives U.S. airlines the right
to fly domestic flights in the Netherlands as well as Dutch airlines
the right to fly domestic flights in the U.S.

I wonder if a Canadian/US open skies agreement is far off.  Protecting
two competitive Canadian airlines makes sense for Canada.  I doubt the
same will be true for a single monopoly airline.

 =Aaron=
-- 
Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From:  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:06:42 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.183943.6750@unixg.ubc.ca> on Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:39:43 GMT,
buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:

  >  And how to those percentages compare tho those for other provinces,
  >  Canada as a whole, and the US?

Since many (most?) American states are not allowed openly to run
deficits, Ontario is much worse.  Of course, states like NYS evade this
rule by 1) capitalizing ordinary expenses, and then 2) having referenda
to approve bond issues to pay for those "capital investments".  Another
trick is to create independent authorities, such as Ontario Hydro, and
Crown Corps, which are not in the state budget, and then transfer
effective taxing and spending power to them.  A final trick is to sell
assets.

The concept that a government is in good shape regardless of its deficit
because its assets are so large (i.e. the whole country) has been around
for at least hundreds of years.  Generally this argument pops up just
before some horrible economic collapse.  I think it might have been used
in 18th century France.

-- 
Wm. Randolph Franklin,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu, (518) 276-6077;  Fax: -6261
ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6549 soc.culture.usa:7266 talk.politics.theory:4168
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Please help me on Health Care project
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:11:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep12.180734.21336@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:
>>>
>>>I am wondering if Canadiens will tell me their opinions on the 
>>>Canadian health system ( including any personal experiences).
>>
>>  Is this how they teach people to do research at Merrimack College?
>>  Anecdotal data?  From a non-qualified sample?  And you're a senior?
>
>>  Again, Canada and the US are both diverse societies of people 
>>  with different views so you'll probably get a diversity of
>>  opinion.  But so what?   Since you have no way of qualifying 
>>  your respondents the results are meaningless.
>
>Considering the poor fellow's location, how else can he find Canadians
>to interview unless he tries out every college and minor hockey team
>in the area, plus the Boston Bruins?

  I'm suggesting that little of a useful nature can be gleaned from 
  interviews unless he's able to do so from a properly selected sample,
  and this is beyond the resources of a college student.   So he should
  drop the whole idea.

  
---peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.china
From: moir@cs.umd.edu (Mark Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:42:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Sep8.185908.19660@morrow.stanford.edu> berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:

>JF:	- Kiwis are kinda messy when you eat them without a spoon.

Arrrgh!  What?  Surely cannibalism is a thing of the past, even in Canada?

Anyway, even if you do want to eat my fellow country persons (with a spoon -
what a wierdo!), I agree with you that this QUR'AN-blah-whatever-crap
doesn't belong in many of the newsgroups it was posted to.

Cheers

Mark
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Ontario $11 billion debt
Date: 7 Sep 1992 04:17:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I have just read recently that Ontario is approx $11 billion in
debt.  
Since I am here in California where there is a huge debt, much
greater....I am wondering how we are going to pull out of it,
so how are things going in Ontario?
What is unemployment rate?
Is there any significant movement out of the province as there
is here in CA?
Is there a large number of homeless?
I have heard also that Toronto still receives a great flow of
immigrants into it from other countries, one of the highest for
any city in North America...what effect is this...maybe we can
learn from Ontario's solutions to apply them here in Calif.
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6522 can.francais:535
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.francais,mtl.followup
Subject: Re: Ou est St.Catharines
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:46:22 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Sep11.142251.2184@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <BuEz9F.9uG@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>>
>>Et d'ailleurs, pratiquement partout dans le monde, la toponymie reflete
>>la langue des habitants du pays.
>
>Bon, moi je viens de Kapuskasing, et j'habite maintenant Ottawa.  Tous
>les deux en Ontario - pas tres anglais ces noms la!  Juste a cote, il y
>a Orle'ans, Embrun, etc - faut changer tout ca!
>
>Et puis, Denis, quels noms proposes-tu pour Que'bec, Chibougamau,
>Natashquan, Shawinigan, Maniwaki, Magog, ...
>
>Le Rhealiste - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Parlant pour moi-meme

Je ne connais pas l'origine de Kapuskasing, mais Ottawa vient de la
tribu indienne des outaouais (c'est la forme anglais de Outaouais).
Sauf Shawinigan (la, je ne suis pas sur de l'origine), les autres noms
sont d'origine indienne.  Et les indiens ont effectivement habite la.

Mais, les noms anglais des Cantans de l'Est et de l'Ouest ont ete donnes
de facon arbitraire avant qu'il y ait des colons et ne refletent aucune
realite locale.  Par contre, Embrun ou Orleans (Vanier, etc.) furent
probablement fondees par des francos.  Et si tu consideres l'ensemble
des noms, a part Sault Ste-Marie, il ne reste plus grand chose des noms francais
en vigueur sous le regime francais en Ontario.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.theory
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Please help me on Health Care project
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:51:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep11.132500.2172@merrimack.edu> gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:
>Hi.  I am a sr. at Merrimack College in North Andover, MA and i am working
>on a research project comparing Canada's Universal Health Care with the
>US's health care system.
>I am wondering if Canadiens will tell me their opinions on the Canadian 
>health system ( including any personal experiences).

  Is this how they teach people to do research at Merrimack College?
  Anecdotal data?  From a non-qualified sample?  And you're a senior?
  
  What do you hope to prove/discover/conclude from this?  

>Also, I would like some questions answered.
>Is a government obliged to provide health care for all of its citizens?
>Should the current health care sytem in Canada be modified in any way?
>For example, should Canada initiate an American style health system?
>Please suggest other changes in the Canadian system drawing from personal
>experience.

  Again, Canada and the US are both diverse societies of people 
  with different views so you'll probably get a diversity of
  opinion.  But so what?   Since you have no way of qualifying 
  your respondents the results are meaningless.

  Why don't you try doing some *real* research?  Compare the costs,
  outcomes, patient demographics, etc, of similar procedures.
  Do a cost breakdown of certain standard procedures, and then 
  do a breakdown of those costs (e.g., the doctor's fee the 
  delivery of a baby is so much.  How does his fee break down,
  i.e., how much does he get to keep after taxes, what's his
  malpractice premium, etc, etc).   Look at utilization of
  resources, preferences for different procedures for similar
  conditions, "defensive testing", choice of drugs, frequency
  of office visits, roles of non-doctor professionals, waiting
  time for elective procedures, or acuteness of conditions
  before seeking treatment.

  I realize all this requires going to the library, but such
  a desperate move might be rewarded by more meaningful results
  than the anecdotal pap you'll find on Usenet. 


---peter



  

  

  
>
>For Americans, I am looking for comments on our health care system.
>Should our system be modified in any way?  
>Should we make Universal Health Care the law, like Canada did?
>
>Please feel free to e-mail me on these topics.  Any input of
>any political beliefs would be appreciated.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:08:51 GMT

	If folks want to get nostalgic about transportation systems
which, rightly or wrongly, fell by the way side, have a look at airships.
Not as fast as airplanes, but more fuel conservative, and able to handle
icing contions better  (And they don't need  rails,as  trains do).

	That damned Hindenburg accident sure gave them a bad name though...

								James Nicoll
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6531 can.francais:539
From: michele@catnix.UUCP (Michele Simond)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.francais,mtl.followup
Subject: Re: Toponymie (was Re: Ou est St.Catharines)
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:13:29 GMT
Organization: Rhinoceros, chargez!


nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) ecrit:
>
> Denis, si tu veux vraiment retourner aux noms d'avant la conquete,
> quand verront nous Tadoussac reapparaitre sur la carte du Quebec?

Voyons "Mon Rheal", t'as aussi des problemes avec ta geographie?
Tadoussac est toujours sur les cartes du Quebec, mais pas ou tu
la situe. L'embouchure du Saguenay, ca te dis quelque chose?

>[...]  Et puis, faut se debarrasser de
> "Montreal", qui refere a une monarchie francaise qui a disparu il y a
> plus de 200 ans lors de la revolution francaise.  (Bon, mettons plus de
> [...]

Mais non "Mon Rheal", on ne peut pas se debarasser de "Montreal",
ce nom rappelant la "majeste" de sa montagne.  Bien sur, si tu
deviens un jour roi du Canada, cela pourra peut-etre te causer
des problemes d'interpretation quand la reine consort te dira
"je vais a Montreal" et que tu croiras qu'elle veut dire
"je vais a mon Rheal", mais la, c'est une autre histoire... :-)


--
Michele Simond ...... Traductrice ......  B.P.: michele@catnix.UUCP
(514) 671-8820				   OU :	michele%catnix@cam.org

La Liberte n'est pas une marque de yogourt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.francais,mtl.followup
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Toponymie (was Re: Ou est St.Catharines)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:42:56 GMT

[French version, English below]

Denis, si tu veux vraiment retourner aux noms d'avant la conquete,
quand verront nous Tadoussac reapparaitre sur la carte du Quebec?
(Dis, Tadoussac, c'est le nom aborigene pour Quebec or Montreal?)

Ou si tu insistes que les noms refletent la realite actuelle et pas les
evenements historiques, il faut eliminer tous ces noms commencant par
"Saint"; le Quebec a cesse d'etre sous le controle de l'eglise
catholique depuis quelque temps.  Et puis, faut se debarrasser de
"Montreal", qui refere a une monarchie francaise qui a disparu il y a
plus de 200 ans lors de la revolution francaise.  (Bon, mettons plus de
100 ans, puisqu'il y a eu la Restauration, le regne de Louis-Phillipe.
J'sais pas pourquoi, mais il me semble important de verifier l'identite
et la date des changements de pouvoir, en France... Faudrait pas
confondre Napoleon et Louis XV!  :-) )

[English version]

Denis, if you really want to restore names to pre-conquest times, when
will we see Tadoussac reappear on the map?  (I forget, was Tadoussac
the original name for Quebec or Montreal?)

Or if you wish the names to reflect current realities, not historical
events, then we should do something about all those names with
"Saint".  After all, Quebec is a secular state now, isn't it?  And
get rid of "Montreal" - a reference to the French monarchy that ceased
to be in the French revolution more than 200 years ago.

Or is your point that English is "the enemy" and must be eradicated
wherever it must be?  I hope not!

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:38:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Has Denis Seen the Light or is he just passing gas? Re: Tom Gray who is ra*
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada

> >Primarily because he is not one of its supporters. If the Quiet
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ sentence fragment
> >revolution was intended to open Quebec to the possibilities of
>  ^ R                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ variety?
> >the world, its opponents wished to keep Quebec secure in
>                           ^^^^^^ wanted
> >ignorance and reject the richness of other cultures. 
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [barf]
> >I would not see Denis as supporting the revolution. Rather
>                                          ^ R             , ^
> >I would see him as a Quiet Counter-Revolutionary in the
> >like of Laurin - beating the anglo-demom to hide form the 
>  ^^^^ image?                            ^ n       ^^^^ from
> >truth.

         Who is the frustrated English teacher here? 
         How boring! 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 15:53:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep8.144121.13595@epas.toronto.edu> gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes:
>Actually, the current Ontario DEFICIT is $11 billion. The total debt
>is approximately $50 billion (give or take $5B). I don't think this
>figure includes the debt of Ontario Hydro. By the time the NDP is
>booted out of office (2-3 yrs from now), Ontario will have a debt of
>at least $70 Billion.

And what's the figures for their assets?  (And those of
Ontario Hydro?)

Luc B
From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: FREE TRADE WITH A FREE QUEBEC
Keywords: FTA, NAFTA
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BuCBsx.L77@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes...
>In article <Bu4txB.F6K@acsu.buffalo.edu> v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION) writes:
>>
>It must work if Europe is more integrated, since USA will loose markets.
>While Quebec is 1% of market, it would be easier to integrate her to NA
>than to Europe.
> 
>However, there is supposedly a clause in NAFTA so that Quebec will have
>to re-negociate all the agreement.  If we consider the current version
>(too in favor of USA), it would not be a bad thing to re-negociate!
> 
>-- 
>  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
> /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
>J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
>\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !

How did you get "1%"?  and   Will you vote "YES" or "NO" in the referendum?

Comment est-ce que vous avez trouve' 1%  et  Est-ce que vous allez voter
{{OUI}} ou {{NON}}?

Ciao et a la prochaine,
Jesse
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:38:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <8d9ym_-@rpi.edu> wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
>
>The concept that a government is in good shape regardless of its deficit
>because its assets are so large (i.e. the whole country) has been around
>for at least hundreds of years.

Which country is that that you are talking about, where the government
owns the whole country?  Soviet Russia?

Or do I see a straw man?

Luc B


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:23:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.184448.1820@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
>>In article <1992Sep8.144121.13595@epas.toronto.edu> gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes:
>>>Actually, the current Ontario DEFICIT is $11 billion. The total debt
>>>is approximately $50 billion (give or take $5B). I don't think this
>>>figure includes the debt of Ontario Hydro. By the time the NDP is
>>>booted out of office (2-3 yrs from now), Ontario will have a debt of
>>>at least $70 Billion.
>>
>>And what's the figures for their assets?  (And those of
>>Ontario Hydro?)
>
>Forgive me, but I do not understand the relevance of the question. Are you
>suggesting that should Ontario have trouble servicing its debt, it could
>start selling off bits and pieces; e.g. Ont Hydro, the ROM, a highway, a
>hospital, an OPP building, etc?

Actually it is time to privatize Ontario Hydro...to reduce the crown
corporation part to maintaining the grid and phasing out the nuclear
plants...privatizing the non-nuclear generating capacity, and
encouraging private cogeneration.  It is a crown corporation that
is on the verge of being out of control, and this public monstrosity
has to be chopped down now before it is too late.

Gerald

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.012432.4183@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.175809.15258@unixg.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>> It's bound to keep cropping up, since governments so like to spend
>> themselves into debt ...
>I would phrase that a bit differently.  Governments like to get
>elected; they get elected by making promising us lots of free goodies
> ...
>Unfortunately, as voters, the message we seem to send on the deficit
>has been:  We're mad as hell, but we'll just keep on taking it.

 I would phrase _that_ a little differently: we're mad as hell, but
 we refuse to elect anyone who will collect from us (the only source,
 in the final analysis) the taxes to make the mess go away.  But yes,
 I yield your point; they're not doing what's needed, but we elected
 every one of them.
From: sdares@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: <None>
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:14:16 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Je connais pas la nome du person, qui voulait acheter un c-f, mais 
je suis positif que la companie Sony, pourrait vous donner une nome
Quebecois, au moins, tu pourrais communicer avec une bureau a Toronto.
 
 je parlerai a un ami, qui traviller a Sony ici a Halfiax pour vous, ok?
 
  Sdares@ac.dal.ca
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Referendum question
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo, tcejorP Project.
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:20:39 GMT


I am sure that this has been talked about and am not trying to restart
the discussion but...

Could someone email me and tell me when the various (if any) referendi
(sp?) are to be held and what the questions will be (if known)?  Also,
it would be nice to know who is elegible to vote in these things.

Thanks for your time.

- Missing home but visiting soon!


--
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atode, |m         -- "The class of Class is Class class which is a MetaClass."
                         how not to get a date using Smalltalk
From: aydin@aludra.usc.edu (Levent Aydin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Simple help needed (Quebec area) ...
Date: 11 Sep 1992 13:35:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu



	Hi there;
	I know this is not the place to ask for favors but I had to.I am 
trying to find the phone number of a person who has just moved to Quebec.
The name is Elif Bozkurt.If you can find the number in the phone book please
let me know by sending me an e-mail to laydin@solar.usc.edu.Thank you very much.



						L  E  V  E  N  T

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