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From: bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com (Bill Chidester)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snake-proofing (was Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!))
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:48:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Orlando Fl.
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srb@atmosmips.jpl.nasa.gov (Susan Beutelschies) writes:
: 
: This reminds me - when we took our dog backpacking a month ago, she brought
: back to our camp a smelly already-dead snake.  I wondered what she would have
: done if the snake were alive.  Do dogs have a natural instinct to avoid snakes?
: (She's a Manchester terrier mix, if that matters.)  I assume by your post, Cindy,
: that at least in many cases they don't.  So to snake-proof a dog, what do you use
: as bait?  Would a rubber snake do, or is smell important?


  I've always snake proofed my dogs by letting them play with medium
  sized, aggressive, non-poisonous snakes.  Around here we have plenty of
  Black Rat and Corn (Red Rat) Snakes and grow some 4 foot long Garter
  Snakes that have the temperament of Roseanne Arnold after a ten day fast.

  The dog will finally manage to get the snake mad enough to receive
  a nose full of teeth.  I then get the dog away from the snake (use
  a 15 foot lead while Fido is futzing around) and let the lesson 
  sink in.  My Bouvier could smell a snake from 50' away and always
  made a big detour around them.  If you don't know the difference
  between non-poisonous and poisonous snakes, you'll need to find
  somebody that does.     

  By the way, there really is no such animal as a "de-fanged" rattler.
  Most pit vipers have several sets of fangs growing right behind the
  first set and you really don't know when they'll appear.  Even
  without the fangs, venom is still produced, the skin is still broken
  and the dog could receive a fatal wound if bitten on the nose.  
  Large pit vipers (like Water Moccasins) can strike with enough force
  to break a man's arm or a child's leg.  Given the rows of glass shard
  type teeth, this is akin to being hit full force by a baseball bat
  with a half of broken beer bottle glued on the end.  I wouldn't want
  to try that on my dog, fangs or no fangs.

  At any rate, my last two dogs were trained by a single session with
  a Corn Snake.  I'm looking for another one now to frolic with my
  Ridgeback, Jackson.

  -----------------------
  Bill Chidester
  bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com
From: mandreol@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (mandreol)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Importing A Puppy
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:18:56 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario

Has anyone had experience in importing a puppy from another country?
This is an option for me and I was wondering if it is good or not.
The pedigree is impressive,  the parents have all their health
paper-work etc.
My contact is trustworthy and reliable, but I am not sure what a flight
might do to the health (mental and physical) of the puppy (at approximately
8 to 10 weeks old).

Any information would be appreciated. Thanks.


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: alpha puppy
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:41:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Sep3.184212.18499@midway.uchicago.edu>, betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes...

>I couldn't agree more with the person who wrote in to suggest that
>alpha puppies exist and can make a big difference in the type of
>dog you end up with.  My SO has an outgoing, charming, friendly
>dog who has never, ever understood that in the pecking order she
>is under him and me.  She is generally good natured and compliant,
>but every once in a while she feels she must put her foot down
>and set us straight.  We have tried alpha rolls, immediate punishment,
>ignoring her, etc.  Nothing has made a dent in the 11 years he's
>had her.  When I arrived on the scene, 8 years ago, I thought, "No
>problem, I've worked with dogs all of my life.  I've semi-professionally
>trained dogs with a great deal of success."  Well, nothing I've done
>has diminished these occassional flair-ups.  She's just alpha in her 
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>own mind and that's that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I said something like this once here and I got a private email message 
from someone that said something like this (to the best of my 
recollection):

  You're looking at this the wrong way.  It shouldn't matter what the 
  dog thinks - you *are* alpha (aren't you?).  It's just a matter of 
  showing the dog that.  If the dog thinks he's alpha it's probably 
  because you're not.

He also included a list of things you could do to establish alpha 
status and said that it's natural for a dog to challenge for alpha 
status periodically.  This knowledge helped me a lot.

Maybe it's in the nature of some dogs to challenge for dominance more 
often.

JGH
From: llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Regarding My New Puppy and Some Nasty Articles
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:03:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Sep03.163009.29664@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM> cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi) writes:
>
>Hi,
>  For anyone who has "flamed" me for owning my puppy, I'm not about to
>apologize for owning my puppy! I am certainly not going to get rid of
>her! I get up extra early to play with her, my husband goes home everyday
>at lunch to see her, and she has LOTS of attention and exercise when we 
>get home at night!  Your remarks are useless, mean-spirited and irrational.
>  Before getting my puppy I talked with many people, including her  
>veterinarian as to whether or not it was a problem regarding us both working.
>I was assured that we could raise a happy, well-adjusted dog even though
>we work, and our puppy IS happy and well-adjusted. 
>  If you have any useful info, then let me know about it, otherwise, don't
>even bother to write any more of your ridiculous letters - I won't read
>them, I'll simply pass right on to the next article after recognizing the
>first mean comment.
>  For those of you who have written useful, constructive comments, I 
>thank you very much.
>                           Carla Moussavi

Carla,

I am a single "mom" with two dogs, a nine-year old cocker and a one-year
old cocker.  I work in order to support myself and them (since one has
a pretty serious heart condition, supporting them is critical).  I was
very lucky with my first dog because there was someone at home with
him all the time at the beginning.  However, when I found out he might
not be around too long (and with the blessing of my veterinarian) I
got a puppy.  It has not been easy, I will say that about raising a
puppy with no extra help, however, I, too, arranged to come at lunch
and spent mornings and evenings with both dogs.  They have both been
to obedience school (Charlie twice since he insisted on going again
with his sister) and I am happy to report that I have to very happy
dogs.  If I have to work during lunch, Ashley can get a little cranky,
but once I discovered how much she liked old telephone books (she
rips the pages off and chews them up), she has left the furniture
and carpet alone.

We are a very happy family and if I did not have my "children," I
would be very lonely.  I think people who love animals and make good
homes for them are some of the most special people in the world and
you and your husband are obviously some of those people.

As a new poster I can only say that I was shocked to see the "flames"
and would suggest the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People"
to anyone who had nothing more constructive to do.  As to all the
people who answered with positive suggestions, I thought they were
all great.

Linda Mac (llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu)
From: llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald)
Subject: A good vet in Milwaukee
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:34:51 GMT

This is the first time I have posted to this group, but have several
questions that I think can be answered by all you experts.

A little background:

I have two cocker spaniels.  One is nine years old and the other is
1 year old.  The eldest is a male.  He is my baby and so it was very
traumatic when we discovered he had a very bad heart condition 18
months ago.  He had a heart murmur for years, but 18 months ago it
got worse.  I was very upset.  My vet in California thought nothing of
it, but realizing I was not going to be happy unless I knew for sure
that Charlie was alright, he recommended an ultrasound.  He said he
would never do it on his own dog, but if it gave me peace of mind,
he would do it.  Thank God he did.  Those first few months were just
awful.  Charlie had to have ultrasounds every month and the next
three all showed he was getting worse.  By now he was taking three
different kinds of medication and his condition has somewhat stabilized.
I knew I would be a mess when something happened to Charlie and the
vet said a new puppy would not be harmful to Charlie in any way, so
I got a female cocker spaniel.  She is a story all her own which I
will share in another post.  She and Charlie now get along fine,
although she is definitely the dominant of the two dogs.  Charlie
is also doing much better as my vet went to a conference in which
a researched in Texas had discovered that an amino-acid (Taurine)
would actually reverse this heart condition (but only in cocker
spaniels).  Anyway, on to my questions:

1.  Does anyone know of a good vet in Milwaukee, WI.  I am making
plans to move there within the next few months and will need a great
vet, preferably one who has a background in canine cardiology.

2.  I would also like to know about apartments in that area that
accept pets.  I will stay with a friend for awhile, but will
eventually need my own place.

3.  (This has nothing to do with Wisconsin).  As I mentioned, Ashley
has turned out to be the dominant dog in our household, however,
whenever we go for walks, Charlie is very aggressive with other dogs.
He has been through obedience training and never bothered the other
dogs in the class and does not bother other dogs when at the vet's,
but if we are in our neighborhood and he sees another dog, he goes
crazy.  I can usually get him to sit (with some effort) and he will
stay, but I would like to get him to the point where he doesn't go
nutso in the first place.  Any suggestions:

I can be E-mailed at llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu

Thanks for any help you can provide.
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Genetics & Birdyness in Labs
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:00:31 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig) writes:

>Border collies - isn't it amazing what 200 years of breeding for a
>particular behavior can do?

And isn't it equally amazing that 200 years of breeding for herding
ability has produced some of the best Schutzhund dogs in the world?
They are also used as draft dogs, sled dogs, retrievers, agility dogs,
tracking dogs, flyball dogs, etc.  About the only thing that I know of
that BCs are not good at is being couch potatoes.

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: AMERICAN ESKIMO
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:27:18 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

We have a 11 month MINIATURE AMERICAN eskimo. We find it is not acknowledged by
the CANADIAN KENNEL CLUB but is in USA. Can anyone tell why and what is the
difference with the two.

Also I would like to be apart of A GROUPS OF OWNERS FOR A MINITURE AMERICAN
ESKIMO. Is the such a group.

John
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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Are dogs color blind?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.120611.7537@anat.UMSMED.EDU> jbh@anat.UMSMED.EDU (James B. Hutchins) writes:
>
>Dogs don't see as well as we do, but they are great at things like motion
>detection. (Kiri, our foundling, can see a squirrel at 100 yds.)  They also
>smell a lot better than we.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^_____________Speak for yourself,  Princess may smell better
than I, but Joker Ewehh!! (sorry)
>Jim


--
Life among academics has taught me that a well-expressed opinion is
usually better than a badly expressed fact, so far as professional
advancement goes.  --Gabaldon, Outlander.
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:28:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
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Summary: Try several
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I rotate Iams, Science Diet, Nutro Max, and a couple of the better-
looking brands of "carrion kibble" from the grocery store (which of
course are Archer's favorites).  Can't help thinking that if I picked
a "best" brand and fed it exclusively, one of the larger pleasures of
a dog's life would be dulled by motonony...

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: davids@beta.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Keywords: n
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:44:37 GMT

My puppy *loves* veggies of any and all description.  To him,
they are (apparently) better than regular dog treats.

For puppy owners, raw carrots make excellent teething items,
as they are crunchy, yet not too hard, and they taste sweet
(and they're full of vitamins too!).  McDuff also likes
the "interesting" way that they roll around on the floor.

Just my $0.02 worth.

davids@lanl.gov
From: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Are Chows Lazy
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:10:47 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wham-o.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Sep3.182716.14431@sequent.com>, jd@sequent.com (Jim Duckering) writes:
|> I have a 6.5 month old Chow who is about as lazy a dog as I have
|> ever seen.  We take him on frequent walks, but he just waddles along.
|> When we call him he strolls at a lesiure .000005 mph  Our Chows
|> always this lazy?????
|> 
|> -jd

No, not all chows are that lazy: our black, rescue, chow/bear mix is 
arguably lazier.

- d
From: emily@azariah.tamu.edu (Emily Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Muzzle Training?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:52:44 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept. of Electrical Engineering


>I hope you guys aren't serious!  Have you ever heard of crate training??
>If you leave a dog alone with a muzzle on and it vomits, it could die.  I 
>work at a vet clinic and we never ever leave a dog alone with a muzzle on, 
>even if it's a viscious dog.  There must be some good reason for that!  How
>about obedience training your dogs and treating them a bit more humanely!
>


Aren't there diffent kinds of muzzles?  I swear that I remember seeing
pictures of some that allow the dog to open its mouth and pant (or vomit,
if so be the case), but form a barrier between the dogs mouth and 
anything it wants to bite.

Emily
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From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: IAMS dog food
Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:11:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


My vet recommended changing my dog's diet because he is
a little overweight.  I started him on Science diet and
he didn't much care for it.  I changed  it according to
my vet's instructions.  I have changed dog food again -
this time to IAMS.  He likes this brand but he now has
lose stools.  I had been adding people food (very little)
to both brands but cut it out entirely when the lose
stools started but it makes no difference.  This has
been going on for about a month with the IAMS.  Does 
anyone have any suggestions and in particular to the
following;

1)  Is it the IAMS food?

2)  What brand of dog food would be better?  I've
    tried Bil Jack and he doesn't like it at all.

3)  Would adding rice or a vegetable to the food
    help?

E-mail or post replies.  Thank you.  I've found
this group very helpful in the past.

Evelyn (owned by Digory)

-- 

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From: richard@sfu.ca (Richard Chycoski)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Reply-To: richard@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:39:27 GMT

In article <1812@grivel.une.edu.au> bmahony@neumann.une.edu.au (Speedy  
Cevichi,Pizza Hut,Little Tokyo,555-pizza cats) writes:
> From article <gebGkmK00Uh7Q5HW5C@andrew.cmu.edu>, by sh4d+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Sandra J. Harris):
> > I feed my dogs bits of fruits and raw veggies a lot (besides their main
> > dog food);  I like to think that's why they're in such good shape!  They
> > love carrots, beans, cucumbers, bananas, all melons, especially
> > watermelon, apples, peaches, grapes are a biggie......
> ...
>
> I just recently got a puppy and I want to feed her the same
> However, I don't have stews very often and I was wondering how you feed your  
dogs veges?
> Do you have any special way that you feed them those?
> I wouldn't think dogs would eat them straight...
> If you have any tips I'd very much apreciate em =)
> 
> Thanks

Our old family dog only liked veggies if there was butter on them, and even
then would usually only eat them if you hand-fed them to her. (She didn't
get a lot of veggies...)  A friend's Great Dane would eat anything (and
everything!), except brussel sprouts. You could give her a 'dishfull' of
food (i.e. something that she could gobble in one gulp!) with just *one*
brussel sprout buried in the middle of it, and the dog would sit there with
the food in her mouth, and a few seconds later, out would pop the brussel
sprout! (And no, we didn't do it to tease her, it just happened once in a
while since my friend would occasionally feed her frozen table scraps as
a treat...)

Our current dogs go *crazy* about vegetables and fruit! They love lettuce,
cabbage, carrots, onions (yes, onions!), green and red peppers, apples, 
bananas, grapefruit, oranges, and especially raspberries and blackberries.
(At our old house, the back of the yard was covered with blackberries. The
two dogs would go out and lay down in among the blackberry canes and stuff
themselves... our spaniel/lab/?? cross would even chew on the canes! Must
have a leather mouth...)

They consider fruit and vegetables to be *special* treats. (But then again,
the s/l/? cross considers ice cubes to be a special treat too, so...)

- Richard Chycoski
  richard@sfu.ca
From: lfosgate@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Laura Fosgate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Newfoundland Club Specialty in Atlanta
Keywords: Newfoundland
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:46:41 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA


  Gala Atlanta (Southeastern Newfoundland Club) Regional Specialty is being
  at Wills Park Equestrian Center.  The following is a list of events.

        October 9 - REGIONAL SPECIALTY in conjunction with the Prestige
                Specialties Club of Atlanta supported entries
                Atlanta & Macon

        October 10 - Atlanta Kennel Club Show

        October 11 - Macon Kennel Club Show

                3 shows - SAME SITE!!

        Judges:  Conformation (and Junior) - James White
                 Sweepstakes - Nancy McGill

        Atlanta & Macon Judges pending AKC Approval:
                J.C. Parker & Dorothy Nickles

For all details, contact:

Mrs.  Beverly Eichel

115 Macedonia Church Rd.
Monroe, NC  28112

The show headquarters for the weekend will be the Ramade Hotel - Dunwoody.

Entries close September 23, 1992
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From: ctobias@violet.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Making Dog Food at home
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:51:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: violet.1992Sep4.105132.1
Distribution: world,local
Nntp-Posting-User: ctobias

I have recently begun feeding my dog homemade food using one of the recipes in
the Pitcairn book.  Not unexpectedly, the quantity of stools has greatly
increased.  I also notice that when he gets cottage cheese, and sometimes
yoghurt, the stools are like diarrhea.  This seems to leave only meat or eggs
for major protein.  I would like to hear from others who feed homemade food (by
Email please).  What do you feed?  What works and what doesn't work?  What do
you do when you go on vacation?  Thanks.  Cindy
cltobias@ccit.arizona.edu
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From: willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett)
Subject: Genetics & Birdyness in Labs
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:43:51 GMT

Some of the traffic on the net lately has dealt with whether Labradors as a
breed are being "ruined" if breeders do not consider hunting ability important
when selecting breeding stock.  Specifically, several have stated that Labs
being bred should be "birdy".

I'm not a Lab breeder, I don't even play one on TV, so I don't have a precise
definition of "birdyness", but I inferred from the discussion that it was a
desire or aptitude for hunting or chasing fowl.  If my inference is correct,
we are talking about a behavior.

The recent postings suggest that such behavior or "behavioral tendency" is
inherited.  I think this notion is dangerous and damaging to the breed.
Dogs do different things for different reasons and a particular pattern of
behavior can arise from any number of environmental, genetic, or social 
factors.  Breeding is important, and temprement types are probably inherited,
but I don't think you can say much more than that.  I'm not sure that 
it is possible to "breed for birdyness" or any other type of behavior.

Would any of you Lab breeders out there care to comment?

-- 
Dave Willett          AT&T Federal Systems Advanced Technologies
attmail!dwillett      (AT&T FSAT)

A dog is a dog until he is facing you.  Then he is *MISTER* dog!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kramer@ora.com (Eileen Kramer)
Subject: Labrador Rescue League
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:15:26 GMT

I'm looking for a contact at the Labrador Rescue
League in New England.

Thanks.

Ruth Terry (ruth@ora.com)

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