HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BAUD != BPS
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 20:58:41 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> By the way, V.42bis will give you UP TO a compression ratio of 4:1,
> depending entirely on the nature your data.  Some data compress better
> than others, so files will have a compression of anywhere between 1:1
> and 4:1, depending on what you're sending.

The 4:1 compression ratio is *not* the max compression rate of V.42bis. Rather,
it's based on some standard data file (does anyone know for sure what?). 
Anyways, V.42bis can compress a lot further than just 4:1. Try to transfer a 
file consisting of a repeated single character, and you'll see what I mean.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: mike@struad.uucp (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Has JRComm 2.0 been released yet.
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:18:11 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

--
  I've been away from this newgroup for quite some time. Has JRComm 2.0
been released yet? Thanks.
From: drew@cgou11.cgo.dec.com (Steve Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: GPFax rexx stuff
Keywords: GPFaxx, rexx, spam
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:51:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: e2big.1992Nov9.195108.11650
Reply-To: drew@cgou11.cgo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment. Calgary, Canada.


In article <1992Nov7.190046.15899@tronsbox.xei.com>, dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:

>        SENDFAX FaxFile TO FaxNumber.x

>	First problem:  SENDFAX simply doesn't understand any names or numbers,
>unless I give it the phone number just as a string of digits.  I tried
>sending the name in quotes, and it didn't help.

Guess you realize that the faxnumber must already be in the phone book
and that when you specify the faxnumber it is case sensitive, so if you
use other than the phone number and don't quote it arexx will upcase and
maynot find this entry in the phone book.

-Steve.
From: ridder@zowie.zso.dec.com (Hans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BAUD != BPS
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:32:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering

In article <69118@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:

[Lots of (pointless) discussion about people misusing Mr. Baudot's name.]

>My point above really has NOTHING to do with NCR as it is now but only
>as an analogy.  It points out the fact that terminology must stay
>within certain bounds of accuracy to keep from producing chaos (ie.
>products that blow up).

You mean if people don't stop using "baud" instead of "bps" that their
products are going to start blowing up?

Hey, *I* for one, am glad you pointed that out.  We'll not only be more
correct using "bps," but we'll be much safer too.

Could we please take this to alt.religion.computers, or some equally
appropriate place?

-hans
-- 
  Hans-Gabriel Ridder <ridder@rust.zso.dec.com>
  DECwest Engineering, Bellevue, Washington, USA
  "I'd rather be writing MACRO-20!"
  Any opinions expressed are not those of my employer, honest.
From: aq061@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Devine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Looking for an icon-based script launcher...
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:55:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I am in need of a program that will let me send a script to the modem.  I would like it to use icons - something like the dock on toolmanager.  If possible, I
would like it to run under JRcomm.  Is there any such program out there?  The
reason for this is so that I can simply hit a mouse button and the term will
automatically get me where I want - ftp, mail, usenet, etc...  
-- 
-------------------------------------------------
_  //   Scott Devine (aq061@cleveland.freenet.edu)
\\//                                              
 \/ Amiga, the world's most perfect machine.
From: AKURCZYN@itesmvf1.rzs.itesm.mx (Alejandro J. Kurczyn S.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Xenolink is still alive?
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:24:29 GMT
Organization: ITESM Mexico State Campus

I have sent mail to the author of the Xenolink BBS software, and I haven't
received any response. My question is: Does the software is still in
production? I'm ready to buy it but I want to know if my money is going
to be lost! :-)
 
Is the proce still $165 dlls?
 
-Alejandro K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:10:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183542.17156@sth.frontec.se> bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:
>> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>>>If you don't trust the sysop, don't expect him/her to trust you.
>
>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
>>I didn't say I didn't trust the sysop.
>[...]
>> So some other company needs the names of Amiga owners
>>for a phone ad campaign.  Well, x-service has caller ID, let's ask them!
>[...]
>> You call somewhere and your number gets out,
>
>If that's not sysop mistrust, then what is?!?
>
>		-- Bjorn
>
>       ///  Bjorn Stenberg, Stockholm, Sweden         bjst@sth.frontec.se
>      ///  main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
> \\\ ///  "- Your documentation no longer confuses me, old version!"


Don't take it out of context.  Trusting a sysop and trusting an online
service are two completely different things.  Really people, I made a 
comment about my opinions, now are you all going to explain to me that
my opinions are wrong?  You can feel how you want.  In my origional post
I stated "I _personally_ think such a thing...."  You may not feel this
way, and you are entitled to that, but flaming me (this is not necessarily
directed at anyone in particular now) isn't a very nice thing to do.  
UseNet is a free forum.

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.pudue.edu
From: jam@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James McOrmond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re:  New Supra Chipset:Caller ID
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:03:13 GMT
Organization: Jammy's Amiga Corner BBS - Ottawa, On, Canada

>>for example and normally have the modem answer on the first ring, change
>>it to answer on the 3rd ring and you will get the caller id info
>>as extra data.
>
>
>And if you don't feel like having someone pry you can dial *65 to disable
>Caller ID.

And if you don't like people hiding facts about themselves from you, you
can simply not hangup if the CallerID doesn't come through.

--
James A McOrmond - Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA! - ZyXEL 16.8k V32bis Modem!
Fidonet#1:163/165.0 - (613)521-0648 - VBBS Amiga Intuitionized BBS
UUCP: Jam@Jammys.OCUnix.On.Ca - Amiga 3000T/25/5 - 383Megs
From: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BAUD != BPS
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Organization: The Third Point, Mellansel, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Staffan_Vilcans

In a message (written  2-Nov-92, 16:22:00) to Staffan Vilcans you wrote:

 SV> Like in length... Is that millimeters, meters, centimeters, miles,
 SV> inches, feet...?
 SV> But I guess you could say V32" without people thinking you just bought
 SV> a 32 inch modem...

You could say that you have bought a SomeModem 14.400Tower

22",32",42" :)

/Rm - InterNet: Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: djs55750@dcl-nxt01 (David John Schulz)
Subject: DMS-SPLIT...where can I get it?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:33:58 GMT

Lost the copy of dms-split that I had for Unix.  Can someone send me the
source, or direct me to a location where I can find it?  Most appreciated.


--
==========================================================================
|  David J. Schulz                     __ "Do what you can with          |
|   djs55750@dcl-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu   / /  what you have where you are." |
| "Before you see the light      __  / /                                 |
|  you must die."                \ \/ /             -Teddy Roosevelt     |
|          -Slayer                \__/                                   |
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From: newton@monty.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: BAUD != BPS
Organization: APANA South Australia - State mail hub
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 18:32:20 +1030

fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct30.140153.27262@decuac.dec.com> bell@ufp.enet.dec.com () writes:
> >>Folks, let's face it, we live in a lazy era, language wise.  It's easier
> >>to say "baud" than "BEE PEE ESS."
> >Indeed, but it's still completely wrong.
> 
> It is also wrong to say "It's me," to indicate yourself.  The correct
> phrase is "It is I."  In both cases of baud/bps or "It's me"/"It is I",
> I reply:  SO WHAT?  Communication is occuring.  No one is misunder-
> standing anyone. 

I don't agree there.  When speaking about comms, I think you'll find a
hell of a lot of people who consider that baud and bps don't mean the
same thing.

> Language is serving its purpose.  Deal with it.

The misuse of the language which you are trying to protect will only ever
serve its purpose if everyone attaches the same meaning to baud/bps as
you do.  However, in this discussion, you've seen many examples of people
who laugh in your face as you cling to the notion that baud and bps are
equivalent terms.  So, how can you say that language is serving its
purpose when you know that the terms don't necessarily bear any relation
to each other?

It seems to be that you're arguing quite strongly to protect a false
belief, and a meaning which is utterly, fundamentally wrong.

Now, I don't want to attack your right to be illiterate, but don't you
think you're being a bit silly?

  - mark

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"Waiter, there's no fly in my soup!"       newton@monty.apana.org.au
               - Kermit the Frog                         Mark Newton
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From: jow@hcast.franken.de (Juergen Weinelt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Splitting .lha files on UNIX
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:50:23 GMT
Organization: None at all

In article <Bwn9s8.H58@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (David John Schulz) writes:
>For instance, I have a 2 meg lharc file I'd love to break down to several
>~700k files so I could put then on an MS-DOS disk.

Well, since I've seen no replies so far, I'm going to post my own
solution to this problem. It should be quite generic. Sorry for
posting source code to a discussion group, but it's short and
it may be useful for many readers.

BTW, the language this was written in is actually C. You might
notice though that I'm usually doing M2 programming :-) So there
could be several 1000's of bugs in there ( I'm not that familiar
with C :)

The usual disclaimer applies: this software works fine for me.
Your mileage may vary. Use at your own risk.


--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--
#include <stdio.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <strings.h>



#define TRUE 1
#define FALSE 0
#define NOT(a) (!(a))
#define AND &&
#define OR ||
#define REPEAT do {
#define UNTIL(a) } while(!(a))
#define WHILE while (
#define FOR for(
#define TO ;
#define BY ;
#define DO ) {
#define IF if(
#define THEN ) {
#define ELSE } else {
#define ELSIF } else if(
#define END }
#define BEGIN {
#define INC(a) a++
#define DEC(a) a--



int main(argc,argv)
  int argc;
  char *argv[];
  BEGIN
    FILE *outfile;
    int c;
    int chars;
    int blocksize;
    char ext[50];
    char nam[50];

    strcpy(ext,".000");
    IF (argc<2) THEN
      printf("%s outname [blocksize]\n",argv[0]);
      printf("  copy from stdin to a sequence of files named\n");
      printf("  'outname.xxx' (000<=xxx<=999) with size 'blocksize'\n");
      printf("  (or smaller). default blocksize is 728,000 bytes.\n");
      exit(10);
    END;
    IF (argc>3) THEN
      printf("%s outname [blocksize]\n",argv[0]);
      printf("ERROR: too many parameters\n");
      exit(10);
    END;
    IF (argc==3) THEN
      blocksize=atoi(argv[2]);
    ELSE
      blocksize=728000;
    END;
    REPEAT
      chars=0;
      strcpy(nam,argv[1]);
      strcat(nam,ext);
      outfile=fopen(nam,"w");
      REPEAT
        c=getchar();
        IF (c!=EOF) THEN
          putc(c,outfile);
        END;
        INC(chars);
      UNTIL ((chars==blocksize) OR (c==EOF));
      INC(ext[3]);
      IF (ext[3]>'9') THEN
        ext[3]='0';
        INC(ext[2]);
        IF (ext[2]>'9') THEN
          ext[2]='0';
          INC(ext[1]);
        END;
      END;
      fclose(outfile);
    UNTIL (c==EOF);
    exit(0);
  END
--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--snip--


-- Juergen Weinelt, Germany

  o  _         1) jow@sun.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (preferred)
  | (_) \/\/   2) jow@hcast.adsp.sub.org
  '            3) jow@hcast.franken.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:02:26 GMT

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:

>> bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:
>> >However, this makes me even more confused. If you positively *will* give
>> >out your phone number in order to have the BBS call you back, what's the
>> >problem with having the modem do it for you?

>charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>> NOT ALL OF THE WORLD CALLS FROM HOME.  That's right. ;-)

>So?
>Where ever you're calling from, you've got to give (at least) THAT number in
>order to have the call-back verifier find you. Same goes for CID, except you
>won't have to type the number yourself.
>I still fail to see the difference.

How about those of us that don't call a BBS from the same place all the time?
Are we allowed to have a separate account for each number we use? ;-)  Or would
you rather have just the "correct" number that you would use to reach us, 
whether or not we actually modem from that number is another story.
(Re: Services like PC Pursuit/ dial outs to avoid long distance charges, etc.)

>		-- Bjorn
-- 
+ Rick __     + EMAIL:charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu +   //\          + /|\ It's +
|      /aylor | IRC  : Tomalek / The Romulan     | \X/--\miga 500 |  J rainy |
+-------------+----------------------------------+----------------+----------+
+ "Every Girl Already Has A Boyfriend" --- Murphy's Law Of Dating...         +
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: csanii@bmera226.bnr.ca (Cyrus Sanii)
Subject: DNET what is it
Keywords: DNET
Reply-To: csanii@bmera226.bnr.ca (Cyrus Sanii)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:42:49 GMT

I keep seeing references to a package called DNET when networking
is mentioned.  What exactly is it and what hardware is needed for
it?  Also does it work only across Amiga's or is the source
provided to net any 2 serial ported machines?  Also does it work
across phone lines?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: philipm@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Philip Marivoet)
Subject: Re: What is the best 'SNAP' program?
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:34:58 GMT

Nico has just released a new version of PowerSnap. I'll upload it to
amiga.physik.unizh.ch and wuarchive.wustl.edu later this week.

-Ives
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BAUD != BPS
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:34:08 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Klaus_Seistrup

>   | 16-Sep-92 15:09:24  Sending explodex (1065124 bytes)
>   | 16-Sep-92 15:14:44  Took 5:18, Cps: 3339, Efficiency: 231%

That is how far you'll be able to go with 38400bps, using TrapDoor. In fact, 
the receiving end must have been using baudbandit.device or a special serial 
card, because this is faster than normal with a 68000@7MHz. Even my A3000 won'
t go faster with 38400bps. In fact, you have run into the wall of the locked 
serial speed, and need to lock at 57600bps to go faster. Remember, at 3400cps 
there is only about 400cps overhead room left for the software to the 
theoretical maximum limit.

> PS: And in real life - who wants to send `a file consisting of a repeated
> single character'???

Probably not so many. However, this was not the point, really. You have a) 
files that cannot be compressed at all, and b) files that can compressed "
endlessly". A file, not pre-compressed, will fit into somewhere in between. 
Mostly you'll get a 2:1 compression ratio with V.42bis, sometimes 3:1, on 
ordinary text files. However, there is no 4:1 fixed maximum limit, and that 
was the point.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.unix.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Interworks Enlan-DFS software
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:50:24 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu
Keywords: ethernet peer Enlan help hurry lemoncurry

In article <1992Nov11.185154.10044@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) writes:
=In a moment of fuzzy thinking I told a client that if he bought two Ethernet
=cards and two sets of the AS-225 software he could hook up his 2000/040 to
=his 4000 and not have to find some way to hook his 1 gig drive to both.  Of
=course, this is wrong, but the stuff is on the way now...
=
	If you are a developer I think you might be able to schmooz
	the newer networking code from C= that DOES have NFS
	server capability although I hear it has a few, shall we
	say, "quirks". Alternately, I think one of the Amiga X
	packages includes a newer networking package that might
	work as well.

	You weren't wrong, just a little ahead of what C= is willing
	to release to the public. Too bad 3.0 doesn't include some
	sort of peer to peer networking in it. B^(.

		-Rob
From: dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org (Ludwig Hurt)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 12:36:14 +0200
Organization: HAL (ECG089)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: WANTED: ethernet zorro-II board
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.8m

In article <4289@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>,
	bcampbel@ucdacm (Bob Campbell) writes:
->I need an ethernet board that will fit a zorro-II slot.  Preferably cheap.   
->If anyone knows of a good reliable one they use or one they'd like to  
->sell, please drop me a line.
->
->Bob Campbell
->bcampbel@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu

Try the A2065 from C=.

so long

Ludwig


--
Ludwig Hurt,      | The first myth of management is that it exists !!
Wertheimer Str.74 |
8000 Muenchen 60  | USENET: dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org
Germany   ECG089  | CBMNET: dolittle@halmuc.bsc.adsp.sub.org
From: miller@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Geoffrey M. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: What is the best 'SNAP' program?
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I use JR-COMM and CYGNUS ED PRO and I would love to find a program that
allows me to highlight text and paste it into either program from the
other... or at least paste it into the same program... I know there are
many 'SNAP' type programs available... but is there one that is generally
regarded as the best?  Where can I get it?  Thanks!

Geoff Miller
University of Illinois
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rwhelan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ryan A. Whelan)
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:38:55 GMT

In article <Bx9AsI.7xM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.104642.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> krsear02@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Kendall 'Opusii' Sears) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov5.051539.13787@tronsbox.xei.com>, dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:
>>
>>BINGO!  I have a simple rule: No ID listed... No answer.  Simple as that.
>>
>>Why should I waste my time talking to
>>a) someone I don't want to talk to (phone babboons)
>>b) a wrong number (saves embarassment of the other party also)
>>c) obscene calls at 2am.
>
>But I'm not any of those.  I'm simply a person who wants to keep my
>phone number private.  Ya know, like the old days when people answered
>phones.  I did not wish to start a flame war with this.  I recognize
>your (and everyones) right to WANT caller ID, and your right to USE caller
>ID, I just am advocating the use of an alternitive.  In the case of BBS's
>offer call back.  
>
>Does your right to privacy end when you knock on my door?  When you enter
>my house do I have a right to look through your wallet?  Do I instantly
>have to know your address?  Yes, there are some cases when knowing these
>things could come in handy (when the JW's visit, axe murderers and the
>like) but those cases are rare.  Likewise, when someone calls you
>(or your board) most likely they are NOT out to destroy you.  

Yeah but I am sure as hell going to KNOW WHO YOU are before I let you
into my house.. I don't need caller ID to do that though.... I just have to
look out the window.  I can't do that over the phone so I can use caller id to
do the same thing.  
-- 
Ryan A. Whelan                      "Repetition does not establish validity."
rwhelan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu                                         - Souder's Law
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:32:40 GMT

In article <Bx7rqx.M9z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
|I didn't say I didn't trust the sysop.  I merely stated that caller ID
|is an invasion of privicy.  As a matter of fact, the private bbs isn't
|what I'm concerned about (mostly).  It's the online services -- Genie, Portal, 
|Compuserve etc.  So some other company needs the names of Amiga owners
|for a phone ad campaign.  Well, x-service has caller ID, let's ask them!

	What, are you stupid or something?

	Commercial services ASK for your phone number when you sign up,
remember?  GEnie and QuantumLink both called me to tell me my account was
active!  IE, they already KNOW your phone number and don't need Caller ID to
find it.

	On top of that, if I wanted to target an ad campaign at Amiga owners,
the last place I'd call is a commercial telecom service!  I'd call one of
the many professional targetted-marketing agencies.  They have your phone
number, too...whether or not you gave it to them.


Dennis F. Heffernan  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com e4461005@apollo.montclair.edu
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