From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Israel and the Fourth Geneva Convention (was: Israeli Nazism?)
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.223127.1143@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:

# Here we go again.  It seems that, Hank, an Israeli settler, thinks that
# by repeating something over and over, it somehow makes it true or sensible.
 
	It is Waleed who is engaging in the Nazi big lie technique.

# In article <92363.065733HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:

# >Since Article 49 has been brought up let us look at what it states:

# > The Geneva Convention, Article 49, paragraph 6 states:

# >      The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its
# >      own population into the territory it occupies.

# >        In the book "International Law: A Treatise, Vol II, Disputes,
# > War and  Neutrality", by  L. Oppenheim  (1952), page  452, he writes
# > "The occupying power  must not deport  or transfer parts  of its own
# > civilian  population  into  the  territory  occupied  by  him  -   a
# > prohibition intended to cover cases of the occupant bringing in  its
# > nationals  for  the  purpose  of  displacing  the  population of the
# > occupied territory".
 
# The conventions are very clear, and they do not allow for exceptions,
# either in expulsions or settlements.

	As I stated in a previous article, William Safire has shown your
interpretations to be wrong.

# The psycological dispositions and 
# stated intentions of the settlers are not relevant to the issue of the
# legality of settlements.

	Oh, but they are.

# The Israeli government's only line of defense 
# is to deny that the West Bank and Gaza are occupied.

	That is not its only line of defense, but it is one.

# How many sane persons
# and impartial jurors do you think you can convince of that?

	That is irelevent.  No one else has the right to parcel out Jewish
land.

# Besides, on whose land are these settlements being established?  Many of
# the settlements were set up on land confiscated from private Palestinian
# owners.

Who probably confiscated it from Jews (there are still homes occupied
by Arabs with mezuza holes - a mezuza is a Jewish ritual object).

# Moreover the settlements use resources (land and water) that could
# otherwise be used (in the present or future) by the legitimate inhabitants 
# of the land.

	Oh I get it.  Jews are not legitimate.

# As such, settlements certainly contribute to the displacement 
# of the local population.

	Nope.  In fact, the employ local Arabs, which actually attreacts
and keeps them.

# The last time you posted your regular crap, Shari VanderSpek responded
# with the following:

	Oh yes.  That great master of (il)logic, Ms. VanderSpek.

#  Here's another bit of information for Hank, who thinks that Arab villages
#  aren't destroyed for settlements.

#  In a speech made on October 10, 1982, Mordechai Zippori, Israeli minister of
#  energy, said at the opening ceremony of Inav, a new settlement built
#  on land seized from the village of Anabta:

#  "The continuation of settlement is the backbone of the Zionist
#  movement in the West Bank and is the only means to defeat any peace
#  initiative which is intended to bring foreign rule to Judea and
#  Samaria. ....The presence of an Arab majority in the West Bank should
#  not prevent the Israeli authorities from accelerating the settlement
#  process in the occupied territories.  ...I was born in Petah Tikva
#  [one of the earliest Jewish colonies established in Palestine] which
#  was surrounded by many Arab villages such as Kufr Anna, Abu Kisheh,
#  and Khayriyeh - and no trace has been left of those villages today,
#  but Petah Tikva remained."

	What was there prior to those Arab settlements?  Jewish ones?  At
any rate, how many served as bases for attacks against Jews?

#  Those closing words clearly define what lies ahead for the Palestinians in
#  the West Bank if the settlements are allowed to continue.

	Wrong.  In fact, Arab employment opportunities will grow.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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