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In soc.culture.greek, sk@groo.sunbim.be (Sasa Konecni) writes:

> 
> 
> Parts from : THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS for the benefit of
> the readers who can not access the original( a beautiful piece
> of professional journalism)
>   Noel Malcolm on how Greece's profound neurosis about its own
> identity is the biggest single impediment to any sensible EEC
> policy in the region
> 
>                                I   
Bully: A person who hurts, frightens or tyrannizes.

I didn't see any "bullying" in that article.

Greece explained the historic facts, and sensible people in the EEC 
apparently believed them. Name-calling does not help much.

K. Konstantinides
From: am@sys.uea.ac.uk (Tassos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Skopje's Swiss Dreams (was: MACEDONIA: A SWITZERLAND...)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:50:23 GMT
Organization: UEA
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0

Sorry for the previous attempt.

From article  <3810@keele.keele.ac.uk>, by cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T.
Fear)

>Do Greeks believe that there is a clique of proto-fascists running the
>Macedonian government? if so what evidence is there that this is the
case.?

I believe that there is a clique of ex-communists running the Skopjean
(or whatever they should be called) government. I would like to see free
elections there, as soon as possible; Don't you?

>> Well, that's not what happens with Skopje.  Skopjeans claim that they
are
>> "Macedonians" (some of them claim that they are "patriotic descendants
of
>> ancient Macedonians!) but NOT Greeks.
>
>Well that just seems to be accepted as true in the rest of the world
>apart from Greece. let's not quibble about this, the lack of recognition
>in the EEC is only because of worries about Greece sulking. It's
>shameful, but diplomacy often is.
>
>>  They also claim that Macedonians,
>> including ancient Macedonians, were not Greeks!!!
>>
>Why exclamation marks this is a perfectly respectable, though debatable,
>academic position.

I do NOT think that the most prominent (even British) academics would
agree with you. Help yourself in the library of your University.

>Why shouldn't the world recognise a group who are
>united in wanting to be Macedonians - especially when they speak a
>language called Macedonian?
>
>Andy

Because, although they want to be Macedonians, they are not. Simple,
isn't it?
As for the last sentence of your message, it is exactly what we call a
vicious circle.

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|  Tassos Machaeridis                                    |
|  am@sys.uea.ac.uk                                      |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: Jimmy
Subject: IGAWULK (International Greek Alphabet When Using Latin Characters)
Organization: Persy
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:28:45 GMT


Is there any chance for an IGAWULC?
(IGAWULK:International Greek Alphabet When Using Latin Characters)

Sugestion:

Alpha:     A
Bita:      B
Gama:      G
Delta:     D
Epsilon:   E
Zita:      Z
Ita:      *I*
Thita:    *TH*
Giota:    *I*
Kapa:      K
Lamda:     L
Mi:        M
Ni:        N
Xi:        X
Omikron:   O
Pi:        P
Ro:        R
Sigma:     S
Taf:       T
Ipsilon:  *I*
Fi:        F
Chi:      *H*
Psi:	  *Ps*
Omega:    *O*

oi,ei,... = i
ai = e
au = af
......

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7626 soc.culture.french:5830 soc.culture.british:11578
From: jdd1@cec1.wustl.edu (James Dimos Dimarogonas)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:54:52 GMT

fou fou, eva duo, eva duo
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Genocide of 1 Million Children revealed
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:38:48 GMT

(again, sorry for the potential double post)
Boring as it was in King Tri* Land, the King picked up Money Magazine
of a few months back (backlog caused by Happyface/Cosar/???).

Reading thru last April's issue, the King discovered a grim reality of
one million American children which disappeared without a trace in one
year. GONE. FOR EVER. Like, one year they are here, and the next they
are not...

Horrors went thru the King's spine. How did the horrible act happen?
Why did the Genocide Defenders and other do-gooders of the net keep silent?

Further reading revealed many details.

Turns out that the million children disappered only according to the
US Internal Revenue Service. Before the tax reform of 1986, parents
claiming children could wait till age 14 before having to use a social
security number for a child (when claiming the exception/deduction).
The tax reform act made it mandatory to provide social security
numbers to all children age one or older.

The first year this was enacted one million LESS children were claimed
as dependents, having mysteriously disappeared from the IRS records....

A true story brought to you by King Tri*.

Spiros Tri*
(In Tri* we Trust)
From: THEO@licra.dn.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Greek Word Processing Programs?
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:15:08 GMT
Organization: Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research

Sorry if this has been asked many times before, but can anyone give me any 
information on Greek word processing programs. Info about how these programs 
compare to programs such as Word, Wordperfect etc. Also I would appreciate 
info regarding the availability of these programs or the availability of
sample disks.

Thanks, Theo Mandamadiotis
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: My home Telephone is (708) 985-6059 'Vyraski'!
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:28:32 GMT

Only terrorists would not give out their phone numbers and addresses
Vyraski. Here are mine:

Home Tel: (708) 985-6059
Work Tel: (708) 979-6684

My Address:
8032 Geneva 
Woodridge
IL 60517

Happy now?



Hasan B-) Mutlu

                                'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them
                                 and in whatever circumstances you find them.
                                 Turkish children also should be killed as 
                                 they form a danger to the Armenian nation.'
                                                (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 02:52:45 GMT

In article <serdar.714272105@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au> serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:
>cza@maestro.bellcore.com (Cengiz Akgun) writes:
>
>>If I am not mistaken, he [Barbaros]
>>conquered Cyprus (like he had a ferry ride
>>to Staten Island from Manhattan 8-)) at 1571 or so. 
>
>I believe you are mistaken. It was Lala Mustafa Pasha who
>was the 'Serdar' (commander in chief) of the Ottoman
>Army in the conquest of Cyprus.  And the fleet was commanded by 
>Piyale Pasha.
>

Sure I was mistaken.  After I post that I remembered
Sokullu's words.  Barbaros, the Admirals of Admirals must
be dead at that time.  The idea was testing a Greek
Cypriot not a Turkish Cypriot.  What a show off! 8-).
Apperantly to him, Barbaros, Barabas, Barbara reminds
the same thing to knock himself out silly. 

So, Venetians gave a hard time to Lala Mustafa Pasha, ha?
Good thing then, Venetians were not there anymore in 1974 8-).

C. AKgun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.british
From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Subject: Re: This reminds me...
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:40:04 GMT

Please keep all this bickering about Turks, Greeks, Armenians, and whoever else
off of soc.culture.british. There are appropriate newsgroups for these rantings
and this is not one of them. 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7755 soc.culture.turkish:9132
From: da26@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Deniz  Akkus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:31:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug20.003144.14451
Reply-To: da26@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Deniz  Akkus)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <Aug19.203512.33680@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>According to the new issue (1992-93) of Jane's Fighting Ships, Turkey is
>having built two new frigates. They will be commissioned in 1995 and they
>will be of a modified MEKO 200 type to be called Barbaros class. Their
>names will be Barbaros (F244) and Orucreis (F245).
>
>After this little piece of info, I have to dismiss the denials of several
>Turks that they are not barbarians. You guys, your government has spoken
>and has said that you are indeed a nation of barbarians... You better stop
>the denials, or the Turkish police will take care of you :-)
>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."

You mean because the ship is going to be named Barbaros -- Turkish
version of Barbarossa, who opened his eyes to the world as the son of
a Greek fisherman?  

:-)..

Deniz Akkus
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7865 soc.culture.turkish:9215
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: BARBAROS (F244)
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>having built two new frigates. They will be commissioned in 1995 and
>they
>will be of a modified MEKO 200 type to be called Barbaros class. Their


 At least they will not call it Tsimpouklou!

 Trivia quiz: What was the name of the Turkish frigate sunk by Turkish
Air Force Phantom F-4's during the later part of the Attila op?
  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7625 soc.culture.jewish:14344
From: G0900@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: wanted Greece slides
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:36:54 GMT
Organization: CSU


 
I have just returned from my trip to Greece and while there I purchased
some slides.  I am interested in locating a way to purchase more slides.
Does anyone have any information on where I can buy slides or know anyone
that sells slides?   Is there such a place/person that loans slides out?
 
Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.  I am also interested in
photos, books or even postcards.
 
Katherine Pasalis  g0900 at csuohio  or g0900 at vmcms.csuohio.edu
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:02:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1763qeINN18h@agate.berkeley.edu>, tsatsaro@emily4.Berkeley.EDU (Kons
tantinos Tsatsaronis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.132538.10887@wam.umd.edu> yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VE
LISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug22.010616.53969@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (
DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug20.055627.28891@wam.umd.edu>, yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS
 VE
>>>LISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS) writes:
>>>
>>>>       Nai twra arxiste kai tous tsakwmous kai na deite poso
>>>>0a stenaxwreisetai tous filous mas tous skopianous...:((
>>>>       Makrakh mia erwthsh. Poies 0eseis yposthrizeis;
>>>>
>>>>yiannis
>>>
>>>Nai, swthikes twra. O Makrakhs exei ellhniko onoma. Den exei tipote allo
>>>ellhniko mesa tou, kai den dinei dyara pisteuw kai an akoma h Ellada exane
>>>pote th Makedonia kai th Thrakh kai gyrize sta synora tou 1912, h kai an akom
a
>>>epaue na yparxei.
>>>
>>>Kammia diathesh gia flames kai oute prokeitai na asxolhthw me auto to atomo,
>>>apla thn entypwsh mou lew.
>>>
>>>--
>>>------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
>>>+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
>>><dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
>>>------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle
>>
>>      E, kala ayto file Dhmhtrh nomizw oti einai emfanestato!!!! Milw gia
>>      tous ypoloipous omws. Kai toulaxiston as mhn apantoume sta Agglika... :(
(
>>
>>Xairetw,
>>yiannis
>>
>
>Yiavvn kai Dnmntrn
>(kai opoios allos krivei tnv ellnvikotnta apo to av sumfwvouv n oxi
>oi apopseis kapoiou me tnv dikn tous)

Den krinw katholou etsi thn ellhnikothta kapoiou kai den exeis kanena dikaiwma
na to les auto gia mena xwris na ksereis tipote allo para mono to teleutaio
auto posting mou.

Thn gnwmh pou eksefrasa parapanw gia to en logw atomo den thn basizw sto
teleutaio posting tou, alla se mia synexh anthellhnikh stash tou epi 4 xronia
toulaxiston (pou parathrw egw) se ola aneksairetws ta themata, oxi mono twra
enanti twn Skopianwn-Slabwn alla kai palaiotera enanti twn Tourkwn. To na
diafwnhseis me thn epishmh thesh ths xwras sou se kapoio thema einai one
thing, apolyta ygeies. To na eisai consistently, s' ola ta themata, exthrikos
s' authn einai quite another - shmainei oti (afou den mporei diaole panta na
exei lathos) DEN thn noiwtheis pia san patrida sou.

>Nomizw pws me to va logokrivoume kathe apopsn pou dev thewreitai
>deovtws sklnropurnvikn to movo pou tha kataferoume eivai va
>polwvoume tnv katastasn.

Den logokrinw kanenan, den arnoumai to dikaiwma kanenos na leei o,ti thelei,
den eipa pote tetoio pragma kai ara kaleisai na prosexeis ta logia sou.

>
>Kwstas Tsatsarwvns
>

-- 
------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
<dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle
From: am@sys.uea.ac.uk (Tassos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Skopje's Swiss Dreams (was: MACEDONIA: A SWITZERLAND...)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:37:16 GMT
Organization: UEA
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0


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|  Tassos Machaeridis                                    |
|  am@sys.uea.ac.uk                                      |
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From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: 'Sipa*'
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:32:52 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Aug19.043736.11067@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>And you still have not addressed my point. Have Generalizations based
>on race or religion have long been a staple of the 'Mutlu'/'Cosar'
>posting house or not? Do you need proof? Do terms like 'Moronian',
>'Greasy Pallikarya', or 'Fino Culture' imply otherwise?

I have addressed your baseless claims 'Sipa*'. You have miserably failed
to provide even a single article from me which supports your idiotic
claims and you have chosen to continue fabricating more and more
'funny pages.'

That doesn't speak very highly of 'Sipa*,' does it?


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Disclaimer: I speak for myself<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7751 soc.culture.turkish:9126
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:56:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Aug19.203512.33680@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

> After this little piece of info, I have to dismiss the denials of several
> Turks that they are not barbarians. You guys, your government has spoken
> and has said that you are indeed a nation of barbarians... You better stop

If the problem revolves around getting Turks to admit they're
barbarians, the solution is easy. I'll be happy to admit
I'm a barbarian, born a barbarian and will probably die a
barbarian.  :-)

If you're upset at the names of Barbaros and Oruc Reis, because
they were (or might have been) pirates, there's no problem. Piracy
was an accepted occupation around that time. Laws of the seas etc
came later. The Mediterranean was infested with all kinds of
pirates.

And besides Barbaros comes from Italian Barba Rossa, not barbar
or varvar.

And if more ammunition is necessary, you could have picked up
on the Attila Line in Cyprus. One man's hero is another's
barbarian :-)..

As I remember reading somewhere; "Massacre is when the enemy does
to you what you intended to do them."
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: nf@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Nick Floros)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: ISO 10646 - TYPOPOIHSH
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:52:30 GMT
Organization: University of Southampton, England
Originator: nf@gloriana



 Na kai evas ellinas pou parakolouthei to soc.culture.greek apo tin uk.

> PS Kai to manabiko tis geitonias, "supermarket"...

 Min ksexnas oti to soulvatsidiko exei ginei Kebaba House (kata to Steak House) 


 Nikos .


=========================================================================

  Nick Floros
  Concurrent Computation Group,
  Department of Electronics & Computer Science
  University of Southampton,
  Southampton, SO9 5NH
  U.K.

  e-mail : nf@uk.ac.soton.ecs

=========================================================================
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Important question from King Tri*'s Legal Department.
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:36:55 GMT

My subjects,

It has recently been brought to my attention that:

(* == Happyface B-) Meatloaf

(*>Look who is talking? I am simply asking: did 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM
(*>obtain 'copying, reprinting and republication permission' from the editor
(*>of 'Computer' magazine (10662 Los Vaqueros Circle, PO Box 3014, Los Alamitos,
(*>CA 90720)?
(*>
(*>The answer is: 'No' (I did confirm it).
(*>
(*>Thus, you are a self-admitted criminal and you will be entertained by
(*>the 'IEEE' and my lawyers, accordingly, 'Zap* the Criminal.'

Yo, Meatloaf, did you ever get permission to publish diarreous quotes from
ANY of your sources? For example, did you ever get permission to 
continuously quote people like:

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).

(* (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
(*  million Muslim people)

Did you ever get permission to add your own subtitle to it? Did you ever
get permission to quote Profs. Shaw and McCarthy? Did you ever get permission
to distort what they (i.e. Prof McCarthy) write? Do you pay loyalties
to:

(* Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
(* Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (fourth paragraph).

The Kingdom's Legal Department (King Tri* wearing His Judicial Robe) was
not able to confirm that you have. The same department is also puzzled as
to whether biographical information about an author included in an 
article is itself part of the article. Finally, we are at a loss trying to
determine whether information taken from a publication (not the ENTIRE
article, mind ya) and distributed thusly is in violation of copyright
laws. 

If I ask thee on comp.unix.wizards as to which is the correct use of the
grep command (a command with which Meatloaf's utterly familiar with) and
thy response is, quoting off the man pages....

q>GREP(1V)                 USER COMMANDS                   GREP(1V)
q>
q>NAME
q>     grep, egrep, fgrep - search a file for a string  or  regular
q>     expression

Is that any different? Are we not dealing with PART of the article
being used for some purpose, scholarly (i.e. the man pages for grep),
or otherwise (said .gif files)??? 

Had our friend whose name meaneth a precious stone reproduceth the 
article in its entirety hereforth, our friend could possibly be in 
violation of copy right laws. 

Please consult with 'Turkiye Consulati Lawyeryei Serai' and inform us
how different these cases are. 

Thank you,

King Tri* the 3.14
(In Tri* we Trust)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7754 soc.culture.turkish:9130
From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:30:34 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

>According to the new issue (1992-93) of Jane's Fighting Ships, Turkey is
>having built two new frigates. They will be commissioned in 1995 and they
>will be of a modified MEKO 200 type to be called Barbaros class. Their
>names will be Barbaros (F244) and Orucreis (F245).

These two names are the names of Ottoman admirals from the 15th century
or thereabouts), I believe the Western name for Barbaros is Barbarossa,
and he wasn't Turkish...

>After this little piece of info, I have to dismiss the denials of several
>Turks that they are not barbarians. You guys, your government has spoken
>and has said that you are indeed a nation of barbarians... You better stop
>the denials, or the Turkish police will take care of you :-)

And Greeks are a nation of Zorba's :-) (Zorba means despot/tyrant in
Turkish)...

>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas

Serdar

PS: On a tangent, I find it ridiculous that even *all* the Turkish
posters on sct could be said to represent Turkish people, let alone Hasan
Mutlu, on his own. There is a tendency to overestimate the importance
of the USENET, maybe it comes from a feeling of self-importance among
the participants...

-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: enis@thumper..bellcore.com (A. Enis Cetin)
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Greek of Time
Reply-To: enis@thumper.UUCP (A. Enis Cetin)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:56:34 GMT

In article <2461.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:
>
>  Metin Topcan! Enis Cetin! Oh, the memories.....
>  Where have all they gone?

I am here ! I've been on the net and I will be :-)

Enis Cetin

>  M.
>---
> . SLMR 2.1a . My reality check just bounced.
                                                                                                                        


Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7777 soc.culture.turkish:9147
From: kostis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kostis Kaggelides)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: kostis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kostis Kaggelides)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <serdar.714263434@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au>,
serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:


# PS: On a tangent, I find it ridiculous that even *all* the Turkish
# posters on sct could be said to represent Turkish people, let alone Hasan
# Mutlu, on his own. There is a tendency to overestimate the importance
# of the USENET, maybe it comes from a feeling of self-importance among
# the participants...

	I totally agree Serdar, and the same applies obviously for the Greeks as 
well ( although it seems that God spared us from a Greek "Mutlu" type netter).
Actually, the amount of effort consumed for postings over the net is
spectacular.
Any suggestions why ? You imply that feeling of self-importance and I think is
very
correct. But why the scg and the sct especially ? I can't believe that the
issues 
are so important . After all important issues have nothing to do with flames,
isn't
it ? My suggestion is that there is rather a channel of communication in
these
newsgroups connecting the two nations ( flames war indeed is a means of
communication
since it demands a common background ). That is what I keep from the lot.
Plus PS's like yours.

Kostis Kaggelides


			  Kostis Kaggelides
		Department of Artificial Intelligence
			      Edinburgh
			       Scotland