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From: Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:45:59 GMT

Would a frequency coordinator allow two repeaters in the same area on
the same frequency?  Just use different PL tones for the closed vs.
open system, and monitor before Tx to see if the frequency is in use.
That way the folks could share the frequency, and the guy with the
expensive private system wouldn't have to let others use his/her 
equipment.

I suppose this sounds better in theory that it would actually work in
practice, as the closed haters would claim they wanted to use their
system whenever the private system is in use, and the folks with the
private system would do the same when the open repeater is in use.

Ugg..  I can see I'm going to need to get a 2m rig soon if I expect
to talk to anyone in LA.  :-(

-ks

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From: faunt@netcom.Netcom.COM (Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604)
Subject: Re: 829 Tube caps
Organization: at home, in Oakland
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:12:00 GMT

Surplus Sales of Nebraska has a plate cap that seems pretty nearly
right for this, the Eimac HR-2.  It's not insulated, but has a set
screw for "plate wire from tube"  They advertise it as useful when the
plate cap has come off.  They're at 402-346-4750.
73, doug
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 11 Meters
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:24:33 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

hudson@ualr.edu writes:
>Mike, I am not 100% sure right now, but as of a few years ago, Australia
>had 11 meters set up as a amateur radio band.  I can't remember exactly,
>but I thought it was set up as the band where Australian "Novice" licensees
>could use voice(???).  I think the coverage was essentially that of the US
>CB band, which was of course a ham band many years ago.

Australia's 11 meter frequencies, modes, and output power are the
same as for CB in the USA.   It is a CB band there and in the USA.


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From: grund@calypso.som.cwru.edu (Victor Grund)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco DJ-580 HT
Date: 23 Dec 1992 01:12:00 GMT
Organization: International Business Machines, Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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I received my new (and first) radio yesterday, an Alinco DJ-580T.
Generally a great radio packed with features at the right price.
But... I could receive local repeaters with no problem the first
evening after charging the battery for a few minutes just so I could
quickly check it out.  Today, after a full 14hr initial charge, I
cannot receive a single transmission on either band.  Strange.  I
drove around with it in my car to be sure it wasn't a location
problem.  Anyways, after much experimentation with the radio and a
phone call to the dealer, a new radio is on the way.  I submit to the
net, just out of curiousity: Could I be doing something stupid that
could be causing this problem?  I think it was probably just a fluke,
thought UPS may have contributed.  You should've seen the condition of
the external shipping box.  Thank goodness for the peanuts!

Could some hams out there suggest a third-party replacement HT
antenna?  I'm looking for better gain than the standard antenna and am
considering the Comet CH-72S (15" dual band).  I prefer a flexible
antenna.

By the way, the dealer (Ham Radio Outlet) was quite friendly and
helpful with my problem.  The didn't hesitate to agree to ship a new
radio out immediately and have UPS pick up the original radio (thus
saving me shipping charges).

Victor

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From: ker@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kenneth.roser)
Subject: Re: Online Repeater Directory?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:00:52 GMT

In article <johnr.725165552@mik.uky.edu> johnr@nx22.mik.uky.edu (john s roberts) writes:
>
>Okay so if I started doing this, do you think that there would be enough
>people here on the net that care enough to send me freqs for repeaters
>that they know of.  The issue of the repeater directory being copywrited  
>came up, but I'm not so sure how this applies.
>
How about asking the ARRL for permission for their soft copy of the directory.
As other messages have indicated, the regional coordinators are asked to
upload their repeater databases to a ARRL frequency coordinator BBS (not public)around this time of the year.  The ARRL edits and puts the data in the
right form for the new directory.

If the ARRL refuses, why not try contacting the frequency coordinators and
ask them for their files.  It's public data isn't it?
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From: thorburn@sceng.UB.COM (Thorburn_Gary)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How-to Alinco DJ-F1T Mod
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:06:02 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
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Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

          Here's what I did, guided by a Gordon West tape provided to
          me by Alinco to encourage me to buy a DJ-F1T  (which I did,
          and am very happy with):

          Modifying Alinco DJ-F1T:   Open the unit by removing battery
          pack, then the three recessed screws in metal back, and the
          recessed screw below the Xmit button.  With unit face
          down and Xmit button to the right, hold the battery release
          button so that metal back will come out as you lift the
          right edge of the metal back.  Imagine that it is hinged on
          the left.  It is NOT hinged here, in fact there are two
          delicate ribbon cables you must be careful not to damage.  

          With the unit open, you will see two wire jumpers, one
          red, one blue.   Cutting the RED wire enables air band
          receive.  Cutting the BLUE wire enables extended transmit. 
          I suggest you don't cut the blue wire unless you have good
          reason to.  

          Put the unit back together, and reset it by holding in the
          function button while you turn it on (goodby to anything in
          memory !)   The extended functions are now available.

          -- Gary   KB1AIF    thorburn@sceng.ub.com

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From: fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:56:46 GMT
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Jay Maynard (jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu) wrote:
: In article <9212301356.aa22097@cbda7.apgea.army.mil> wejones@cbda7.apgea.army.mil (Bill Jones) writes:

: >   I completely agree with those who stated
: >   that if all the freqs are assigned, that closed and private repeaters
: >   should be forced to give up their slot to prospective open repeaters.
: 
: How, pray tell, do you propose to accomplish that?...especially without
: generating lawsuit after lawsuit from the owners of those repeaters who will
: argue, correctly, that they are being arbitrarily denied the right to use
: their repeater, in direct contradiction with the original agreement they had
: with their local coordinating body? If you don't care about lawsuits, perhaps
: then you are willing to pay for defending them?

I don't see any problem.  Coordinating bodies only recommend, they are not
the law.  And amateurs listen before they transmit, right?  So I see no
problem establishing an open repeater on the same frequency as a closed
repeater.  It just becomes a shared frequency.  Probably will need PL on
the open repeater to prevent closed repeater users from "accidentally"
activating the wrong repeater.

So, what's the big problem?
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From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Soldering radials to SO-239's
Summary: Need to solder coathangers to make a 1/4-wave VHF antenna
Keywords: antenna construction soldering
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:05:20 GMT
Reply-To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
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In <1htdmvINNmrn@life.ai.mit.edu>, David Moisan writes:
>As some of you are aware, there are many designs for 1/4-wave VHF
>antennas that use an SO239, BNC or N chassis-mount connector upon
>which the radials are soldered (to the mounting holes).
>
>I've tried to build one such antenna using coathangers as the elements.
>But try as I might, as hot as I get the connector (with a 100-watt gun
>newly-purchased), the coathanger will not take solder.
>
>It's occurred to me that some coathangers are aluminum (don't work,
> do they?! :))  Yet the coathanger I tried _was_ steel, or so I thought.

you can test it by leaving it out in the weather and see if it rusts.

>Has anyone had actual experience?  What materials, if not coathangers, do 
>you use in *your* designs?

dave, I re-constrcted a 5/8-wave built out of #8 wire and soldered
the radials to the so-259.  believe me, it takes a *LOT* of heat to
get solder to stick to those connectors.  I got my 100w gun so hot that
I had to let ot cool off so I could hold it without burning my hands.

The next time I build one of these antennas, I am going to use
mechanical means of connecting the radials (or get a bigger iron :-)

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From: bobw@col.hp.com (Bob Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:24:51 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: la.col.hp.com

Oops, this is drifting into a rec.radio.amateur.policy endless
armchair lawyer debate. See you over there.

 Bob Witte  /  HP Colo Springs  /  bobw@col.hp.com   /  KB0CY
From: milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu (Steve Milewski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQ WW CW QSL routes??????
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:36:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: fp2-st-a.milewski-231292083902
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp2-st-affairs-3.uoregon.edu

I've seen a previous query about this topic here before but never saw a
response.

Is there a list available on this net of the QSL routes for the CQWW CW
contest?

Thanks,
Steve/AA7FL

milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:32:06 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec28.235041.1@ttd.teradyne.com> rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
>If you've only got a few users, then you're not making very efficient
>use of the spectrum, are you?  Does the fact that you've got $$$ give
>you the right to lock up a piece of the scarce spectrum resource for
>a 'closed' repeater ?

Jealous?

In any case, my system shares the channel with others in the area; we've
agreed to cooperate in the matter of PL tones, antenna patterns, and the
like.

Remember that a channel isn't in use only when someone's mouth is
spewing on it.  It's also in use when people are only listening.
	- Brian
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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: writing out -- --- .-. ... . in order to pass your exam
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:43:11 GMT

In article <1h52qpINNa9b@west.West.Sun.COM> flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.20549.6534@ms.uky.edu>
>      miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>>at a recent W5YI VEC testing, a female wrote down all .'s and -'s and
>>was allowed to do so. she got her general (while 4 others struggled).
>>i was going to use this "cheat" method myself. is it legal or not?
>>i'm confused.
>
>This question comes up every few months or so.  Although
>there is always heated debate (so what else is new?)
>regarding any and all CW topics, the answers to this
>question usually include the following:
>
>1. It's acceptable.  Since there is no requirement that you write 
>anything at all on the copy sheet, then there can be no rules
>as to _what_ you write.
>
>2. It's unacceptable.  The ARRL VEC (but not necessarily the other
>VEC's) have ruled it unacceptable according to their interpretation
>of the FCC rules.
>
>The bottom line: call and ask your local VE team whether they 
>allow it or not.  Then decide for yourself.

Fred is right. The ARRL VEC has taken it upon themselves to disqualify
this method, but when the FCC was giving the exams, they didn't care
if you wrote dots and dashes on the paper as long as you transcribed
them to the correct letters before handing in the papers. All they
wanted was for you to successfully get the information on paper, how
many intermediate steps you took were not relevant. Whether you translated
the dots and dashes in your head before writing or after didn't matter.

When I took my exam before the FCC, I wrote down the complete alphabet,
numbers, and prosigns at the top of the copy sheet before the test began.
Then I wrote down the dots and dashes, double spaced on the paper and
translated above the symbols. They gave me a 100% score.

Another thing that throws people at ARRL exams, they send the slower
speed code using the so called Farnsworth method. This isn't really
Morse Code since the symbol lengths don't correspond to the stated
speed. I know several people going for the 5 WPM who failed because
of this. They had learned the Morse Code at 5 WPM and could make no
sense of this bastard code. The FCC always sent real Morse from an
Instrutograph paper tape, and required you to hand send real Morse
Code with a straight key. I barely passed the sending part. The FCC
examiner said my hand sent code had too much "swing" from not using
exactly the proper element lengths for the speed. Naturally I complained
that their key sucked with way too wide a gap and too much spring
pressure. Then he told me I could have brought my own. :-(

Gary KE4ZV
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From: brewer@anarky.enet.dec.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Re: Soldering radials to SO-239's
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  1 JAN 93 07:27:47    


In article <H.eg.RrZyfryMfZk@harvee.billerica.ma.us>, esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson) writes...
>In <1htdmvINNmrn@life.ai.mit.edu>, David Moisan writes:

[...]>>
>>I've tried to build one such antenna using coathangers as the elements.
>>But try as I might, as hot as I get the connector (with a 100-watt gun
>>newly-purchased), the coathanger will not take solder.
>>

	Heres some hints. File off the chrome/shiny plating around the hole
	you are trying to solder to. The bare brass will take solder much
	more easy than the plated stuff.

	Go to a welding store and pick up 3' lengths of brass brazing rod.
	this is very inexpensive ($.15 per rod) makes a better looking
	project, and takes solder easily.

	Good luck!
	/john


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From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 28 Dec 92  11:48:02

 jreese@NeoSoft.com 
   (Jim Reese) sez:

 > In article <n1317t@ofa123.fidonet.org> 
 > Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
 >>I can olny hit one open one from my house (the entire area 
 >>has about six) and there's only one simplex freq. The rest has all 
 >>been privatised by hams who wanted "private" systems or were looking 
 >>to make a buck off of the ham bands. Sure, there are plenty of 
 >>repeaters that I can use, for $15 a month.  

 > 'scuse me...but have you ever had to PAY for the equipment involved in
 > putting up a repeater?  I didn't think so...  If you had, you wouldn't
 > think $15 per month was such a rip-off.

 > Repeaters are VERY expensive, even for the good scroungers.  Someone
 > has to pay for them...the logical choice is the users.  You're lucky
 > that at least six people have chosen to put on open systems out of the
 > goodness of their heart. 

   You must belong to that Armadillo group that is so famous. The 
vast majority of the 440 machines here aren't even open to use 
for a fee, just some OF put a closed machine up for his friends 
to use and most of these are never used. I wouldn't be surprised 
to find out that most of the pairs don't actually have machines 
on them, but these folks will sue like crazed lawyers if you try 
and get a pair for an open machine.
   Get some of these 'property hoarders' off of the band and I'll 
gladly put up a free, open machine. And I'm not rich by a long 
shot...
   And how about just taking away a lot of these repeater freqs? 
The 440 band here has ONE simplex freq and 222 has NO weak signal 
area at all. Just wall to wall closed repeaters. At least UPS 
would have used the band.



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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Exploding Air Bags? Locking Anti-Lock Brakes?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:25:58 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.


about these exploding airbags.  Just imagine what fun some ham who lived 
near an interstate and who had a full boat EME rig capable of a 
couple MW ERP could have by aiming toward a traffic lane.  

Yet another highway participatory sport - Trolling for Airbags.

Hmm, better get to work on a set of rules.  What bonus points should I
award to launching a yard ape out the passenger side window?  Is that
worth more or less than launching Rover?  Should there be a Yup-mobile
bonus for scoring a BMW or Benz or jap clone?  Questions, questions...

John
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From: jdelancy@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: [ANS] Re: [FWD] End fed 1/4 wave 80 meter antenna
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:36:50 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
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Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Ok.  But you forget one thing,  I never said use copper sulphate
or other chemicals,  I said rock salt.

>
>Bio wastes are easily handled by the critters that live in the soil.  It is
>a well known fact that 3 feet of fairly normal soil will provide all of the
>filtration needed to clean up any kind of output from your septic tank to 
>better than city water standards.  As long as you don't overload the system.
>To provide a safety margin for overloads, the current health codes provide
>for a minimum of 100 feet separation between wells and septic systems, and a
>minimum of 40 feet of watertight casing on all potable water wells.
>
>Chemical wastes and poisons are an entirely different matter.  They generally
>are in much higher concentrations than would occur in nature.  Normal soil
>microbes cannot break down many toxic chemicals into harmless products.  As a
>result, many toxic chemicals will filter down thru the soil UNCHANGED.  This
>is where you have the problem.  These compounds will enter the water table just
>as poisonous as they were when they were on the surface (and part of your
>terrific Ham grounding system).
>
>73,
>
>Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
>chuck@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1992Dec31.150918.17046@ke4zv.uucp> <C053IC.6H4@NeoSoft.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:06:22 GMT

In article <C053IC.6H4@NeoSoft.com> jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese) writes:

   ...but only if that open machine serves a larger user base.  As I
   have said before, not all closed radios have low activity.  There
   are some closed systems that are very active.  Do these active
   systems not deserve a frequency just because they are closed?

   What I object to here is the automatic assumption that if it's closed, it's 
   low usage.  This is simply not true in all cases.  It's very hard for a
   frequency coordination group to determine who is "better" using their
   frequency in a fair and equitable way.  To do otherwise leaves them open to
   lawsuit, and they simply don't want the liability. 

I don't see any argument from first principles that closed systems
deserve exclusive use of any spectrum space at all, no matter how
active they are.  If someone wants to run a closed repeater system,
maybe they should use a commerical band instead of the amateur service.
I can think of some reasons for allowing some closed systems (if active),
but I'm not totally swayed.
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:36:32 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems

In article <1992Dec30.113321.1@ttd.teradyne.com> rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
>> 
>I don't think UPS ever ended up using 220. Last I heard, they couldn't get
>ACS to work and ended up going 800MHZ trunked, and Cellular phones.

They've even given up on trunked. They recently signed a contract with
McCaw Cellular to supply them with a nationwide data network using
existing conventional cellular systems. Letting the phone company
deal with the infrastructure investment and maintenance costs was
just too attractive to ignore.

Gary

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