HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: ... why I don't recycle
Reply-To: greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:01:05 GMT

ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) whines:
> I refuse to recycle.  If I have an empty soda can, and there's a garbage 
> can right next to a recycling bin, I'll throw it in the garbage can.

> ... did you ever stop to ask what happens to all these items after they 
> get tossed in the recycling bin? ...  I wouldn't be surprised if half 
> the stuff we throw into recycing containers winds up in the landfills, 
> just like the garbage.

> So I, for one, will not make an effort to "protect the environment"
> by recycling my little aluminum cans,

Although I can't vouch for the amount of newspaper or plastic that gets 
recycled, the the aluminum can has been a true success story.  It is 
probably one of the more profitable areas of business that the Aluminum 
companies participate in.  A perfect example of market forces in action.

The percentage of aluminum cans that get recyled is over 50% (last time
I checked).  The amount of energy saved by recycling on e can is 
equivalent to 12 oz. of gasoline.  The aluminum that we recycle is just
that much more ore that we don't have to import (Bauxite).  In most
neighborhoods, while a glass bottle (or its' remains) will lie on the
ground indefinitely, the aluminum cans never seem to hang around long.
If a car runs over the can, it's recyclability has improved.  The same
cannot be said for a bottle.

Saves energy, cuts down on pollution, helps the economy, creates jobs,
and so on.  Eric's response to two equally accessible waste containers
side-by-side: "I'll throw it in the garbage can."  Good thinking.  Stay
in school ... forever.
From: jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu (John McDonald)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Space Poop
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:09:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for EUV Astrophysics


Considering calculations that the collisions will 
take place once in 10^5 years....

The space shuttle Challenger collided with a chip of
paint that left a crater in its front window.  A photo
of this was published in Science News (among others)
not too long ago.  Just about anything larger than that
would have jeopardized the integrity of that window,
perhaps catastrophically.

The Long Duration Exposure Facility experienced something
like 30,000 impacts in six years.  Most of those, though, 
were of extraterrestrial origin.

The EUVE had a period of time in its launch window in
which it couldn't have launched, to avoid collision with
the space station Mir.

No, though, we will not toss enough garbage up there to
effect the environment (not without already effecting
it dramatically down here!).

John

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From: tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: --Energy and Sustainability
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:58:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1466601742:cdp:1466601746:000:244
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Aug 26 03:58:00 1992


<Responding to Bruce Nordman>

Thanks for checking in on this one, Bruce, I didn't see it
until just now.  Yes, Gary, my assumption is that Holdren is
using what are more formally called terawatts average -- TWa
-- when he talks about TW.

Tom
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor)
Subject: Re: Voice of America station in Israel.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:49:06 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug26.174615.8968@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP
(Gary Coffman) writes:
>Dudu, I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and go have a nice
>long talk with someone in your electrical engineering department, or
>a radio engineer. The station is not a threat to the birds ...

A 300m tower will kill birds. How many depends on the specific location.
Similar towers sometimes kill thousands of migrating birds in a single night.
A number of endangered raptors migrate through Israel.

>But get a better grasp of the scientific facts

I suggest instead of patronising people you do some some basic reading.
The Life of Birds by Welty is a standard text.

Andrew Taylor
From: kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia (Kershner Wyatt)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: DRAG STRIP POLLUTION?
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:19:51 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <1992Aug25.155328.1758@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.212532.3708@desire.wright.edu> nyoung@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>I am part of a neighborhood coalition fighting a drag strip's
>>being built within a mile of our homes. Is there any information
>>available (journals, papers, whatever) on the toxic pollutants
>>  The local zoning board, in coopertion with the county government
>>has seen fit to allow a "zoning variance" of agricultural land for

>The only impact of any significance posed by a drag strip is the 
>same impact caused by any other sporting event drawing 5 to 30
>thousand spectators on a Saturday afternoon, like a college
>football game for example. Any air or water pollution from the
>operation of the drag cars would be totally lost in the noise
>compared to the impact of the crowd driving to and from the 
>facility, using it's restrooms, and consuming it's junk food.

I am assuming you are located in the Miami Valley area.  There is a small
chance of challenging the strip on noise ordinances.  Top fuel and other
dragsters of course make a terrible racket.  But if you are in that area of
the country -- look at Wright-Patt and a few of the other facilities that
probably violate the rules as well.  (Subjective opinion).  That's why I
wear earphones and ear plugs when I attend races and pulls.  Pollution is
a real rough one to push except once damage has been done.  You'd probably
find that the air pollution is larger from the attendees than the 
ompetition as Gary noted.

Since the zoning has been changed from ag. to this (comm.), it would appear
that the zoning board has deemed this as the direction that they wish the
area to grow in.  Ever thought about checking the zoning board members?  We
(my family) found out that our zoning boards' relatives were pushing 
petitions  which totally biased the impartiality of our board membership.
We knocked 3 of them right off the board.  The biggest problem in challenging
the strip will be apathy!!!

Good luck.
-- 
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com

My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.
Newsgroups: sci.environment,sci.geo.geology,comp.infosystems.gis
From: masuda@gpnws.geoph.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (MASUDA Kooiti)
Subject: Re: USGS stream gauging data
    <41678@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Aug20.004557.28613@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Earth and Planetary Physics, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:32:41 GMT
X-Bytes: 1952

In article <41678@ogicse.ogi.edu>
jhurst@amb4.ese.ogi.edu (James Hurst) writes:

> >Does anyone out there know if USGS stream gauging
> >data is available via anonymous ftp? I'm interested
> >in data for the western US in particular.
> 
> You might check the USGS ftp site, at glis.cr.usgs.gov  (192.41.204.54).
                           ^^^^^^^^  
> GLIS is the global land information system, designed to let users come and 
> browse datasets.  They have some procedure for for searching their 
> inventory, and for ordering data.

In article <1992Aug20.004557.28613@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Timothy.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Timothy Allen) writes:

|It is not an ftp site, but a telnet site.  You can log-on as a guest
|and browse, or sign-up to become a "registered user."  Looks pretty
|cool.

I logged on at GLIS, and found no stream guage data in their inventory.
Their GGHYDRO data set does contain global distribution (1 degree lat.-long.
grid) of estimated annual mean runoff, as well as areal coverage of
the earth's surface by various water bodies, but that seemed to be all the
hydrological data they provide.
(GGHYDRO data set was compiled by Dr. Cogley of Trent University.)

Therefore, the question of original poster (I cannot trace his/her name)
is not yet answered.
I am intereseted in availability of river discharege data myself too.

The GLIS database contain many kinds of geographical data,
such as topography, vegetation and soils, which are much interesting to me,
though most of global-scale data sets are available in other sources too.

The opening message of GLIS says that the IP address will change to
152.61.192.54 and the old address will be closed on 30 September.

--
Let's have a macroscope!               Kooiti MASUDA
                                       Dept. of Earth & Planetary Physics
                                       University of Tokyo
                             internet: masuda@geoph.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
From: Tom Gray <tgray@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Date: 25 Aug 92 05:44 PDT
Subject: Details on Kenya Family Planning?
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1466601745:000:494
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Aug 25 05:44:00 1992


National Public Radio had an excellent feature report by Daniel
Zwerdling yesterday (24 August) on "All Things Considered" about
an apparently very successful family planning education effort
that has been carried out by a company in Kenya (for its workers
in what sounds like a "company town").

I am the facilitator of the "population" conference on EcoNet
and would like to post contact information on this project if
possible.  Does anyone have further details?

Tom Gray
tgray@igc.apc.org

Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Subject: Re: population load question
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:07:09 GMT

Whatever the population carrying capacity turns out to be, we can say
with some certainty that it is less than the current 5+ billion. Certain
very visible events around the world in the last years have made it
clear.

Gruss,
Dr Bruce Scott                             The deadliest bullshit is
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik       odorless and transparent
bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de                 -- W Gibson

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
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Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: greg@gregm.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Condescending attitudes (Was: sea surface elevation...)
Reply-To: greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:12:36 GMT

I'm keeping the sources anonymous so as not to point fingers at
anyone in particular because many are guilty of this kind of attitude:

>> > What is the sea surface elevation beneath a hurricane? ...

> >   Yes, the sea surface is raised in the low pressure area. ...

> I guess we have to go through this again. The waters pile up because ...
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Has it ever occurred to the 'old-timers' in this group that sometimes
a person that posts to this group is a newcomer?  Perhaps their posting
host missed the original post containing the crucial information?

If it is such a pain to you to continue to inform the 'unwashed' as to
the 'truth,' perhaps it would be better if you didn't respond rather than
be haughty about it -->  'Well, I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself
since you are so stupid that you didn't get it the first time .... [blah]
[blah] [blah] ....'

I saw this same attitude with the confusion over Global Warming vs. 
Ozone Depletion.  Just explain it again or shut up.  Don't be such a dick.

You may be smart, but your manners suck.
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Space Poop
Date: 2 Sep 1992 22:20:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Since 1957 more than 3,300 launches have produced 7,000 trackable objects
currently in orbit, equalling approximately 3,000 tons of man made material.
Of these 7,000 catalogued objects the U.S. and USSR have produced approx
3,300 each.  The rest are from Europe and other countries.

Of these 7000 catalogued objects only 400 are operational satellites.
The rest of this number include abandoned or nonfunctioning satellites,
upper stages, and fragments including lens covers, separation bolts
and clamp bands.
Further, there are from 30,000 to 70,000 smaller objects that are larger
than 10 cm which have not been catalogued.  Any pieces in this size range
and eventually rain down to earth.

Objects above the geostationary altitude of 1000 km will remain there for
approximately 1000 years during which time orbitting the earth more than
5,000,000 times posing constant collisiion hazards.
Interactive collisions in Earth orbits will eventually generate sufficient
debris to create a dense debris belt and prevent further launchings.
Some scientists also suggest that such debris belt could significantly
reduce solar radiation and therby produce world climate alterations.
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Newsgroups: sci.environment,misc.consumers
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Subject: Re: Radioactivity and Superstition; was: Re: Are Your Light Bulbs Radioactive?
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:23:49 GMT

In article <JMC.92Aug26163652@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>The fear of radioactivity isn't a spontaneous superstition in the
>sense that each person reacts independently to the facts and some
>people react superstitiously, e.g. because radiation is invisible.
>
>There are some memes, i.e. self-perpetuating social entities
>that include it, are reinforced by it, and reinforce it.
>
>1. Notions as to who are the bad guys.  Notice that this thread
>started with someone who wanted to boycott General Electric - or
>maybe that was the second post.
>
>2. Association of any use of nuclear material with nuclear weapons.
>While some of this could be spontaneous, it is substantially maintained
>by publicity.
>
>3. General luddism.  Nuclear applications are new.
>
>4. Various explicit alliances among different causes.
>
>Explanation that a particular use of nuclear material is not dangerous
>can succeed in calming individuals, but it can't keep the same
>superstitions from arising again and again.
>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>

Nuclear power was very popular in its early years so its not the "newness"
that causes the kind of reaction we have been seeing it here.  Although
there may be some people who benefit from the current attitude and are
lead to lie about it, I think that the vast majority of people are
simply ignorant.  Why is it so hard to educate about issues of
radiation?  Who does the average non-scientific person trust?
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: James William Ray <jray@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Date: 01 Sep 92 02:27 PDT
Subject: Re: Biggest bomb (#335) revisited
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1466601747:cdp:1466601748:000:770
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jray    Sep  1 02:27:00 1992


When this stuff first appeared back in July, my first reaction
was that I was horrified -- as the author no doubt intended.

I checked it out with my mom, who's a fuels & lubricants specialist
(MS Materials Science, BS Chemical Engineering if it matters)
and the senator's pet scientist's opinion concurs with hers,
namely that the sunlight/heat burn off any volatiles, and cook
the surface oil into a prophylactic sort of asphalt-like layer.

Not that this excuses any of the war-mongers from their
environmental crimes; they should all be strung up by their big
toes and tickled with feathers until they recover their sense
of humor. 

==== all opinions are the product of work-related stress and ====
==== urban living and are hereby placed in the public domain ====
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: --UK Moving Ahead in Wind
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:01:28 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jan Steinman (steinman@is.morgan.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep3.182616.28478@cs.ucla.edu> frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier) writes:
:    Tom Gray (tgray@igc.apc.org) wrote:
:    : Subject: --UK Moving Ahead in Wind
: 
:    Has the UK done anything to prevent killing birds-of-prey?  It
:    is my understanding that, here in California at least, the
:    wind-power stuff came to a standstill when they realized how
:    many birds, especially hawks, eagles, etc., were getting mulched
:    by them (this from a friend working for S. CA Edison, no
:    numbers provided).
: 
: It came to a halt when the Carter-era alternative energy incentives
: went away. (Of course, nuke and petroleum subsidies continued,
: according to UCS.)

The why is neither here nor there - California's windmills slaughter
birds.  Does the UK have the same problem?  Have they done something
to avoid it?

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: population load question
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep3.171421.5807@cs.rochester.edu>
	<1992Sep4.165811.9405@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:08:39

As I have done before, I will undertake to argue that resources are
adequate to sustain any two of Bruce Scott's requirements.  Which
ones does he think are unsustainable.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung)
Subject: [gasoline] please drive less
Followup-To: sci.environment,soc.culture.usa,ba.transportation
Reply-To: chungdan@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: Electronics For Imaging, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:07:58 GMT


     September 17th is a "share-a-ride" day.  I hope almost everyone
will be participating, even for the *week* of September 17th.
However, for those people who drive much more, e.g. in the weekends,
than just commuting from work, they have to do something.  It is
their problem.  They have to take the train, AmTrak for example,
or just drive and go elsewhere less.  Why do they have to be so busy?
I really hope the government can *tax* gasoline higher.

					Daniel Chung, California
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Composting
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:35:38 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
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X-XXDate: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:36:23 GMT

In article <BtwI4s.31z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Anmar Caves,
amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Buy some chicken wire fencing about 2' high and make a circular bin
>out of it.  Remember to turn it every few weeks.   Cost ~$5.

It works even better if you staple some 1x3 boards to the wire (hardware
cloth is better than chicken wire), for support.  I have a couple of nice
bins made by stapling wood to the hardware cloth at the ends and in the
middle, then screwing screw eyes into the edges of the pieces of wood on
the ends and running a steel rod through the screw eyes.  Makes a nice
cylinder that's easy to take down.
___________________________________
William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
From: rashty@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Voice of America station in Israel.
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:02:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Subject : Voice of America in Israel Southern Desert - Jordan Valley.

The American have decided to build up a transmition station for the Voice of
America in the Jordan Valley (Israeli territory), This transmition station was
meant to broadcast to the soviet Union and other eastern-europe countries.
The decision to build this station was taken before the new changes in the
Soviet Union accrued.
In this days this decision is becoming reality since the Bush administration
for some unknown reason want's to continue with this plan, The transmition
station will be 300. meters hight and will release a huge amount of energy.
The damage is both to the people around who are mostly farmers leaving in a
Moshav (some sort of a community life in israel) and also to the nature.

The jordan valley is the main migration root for more than a billion birds who
travel each year from AFRICA to EUROPE, many birds watchers come to observe
this spectacular sine each year and this new transmition station is a big threat
to the birds migration , Think about it that if the birds migration from
africa to europe will be harmed many birds that are rare today will be
disappeared !!!. The second harm is to the area around since the transmition
station is going to be build on about 8000 donams of beuttiful desert land, The
Israeli desert is quit small and very unique, This transmition station is
threatening one of the last places of butty with have in this desert.

I'm calling anyone who has interest to help us with our struggle which is not
a local struggle for my test but an international one on the future of birds
in this region of the world .
The decision to build the station was taken long time ago, This day there in no
reason to build it but the beocreacy make it impossible to stop the decision.
There are a lot of demonstration in israel about this plan but we need an
international help of environment organization to make the u.s government change
the decision and by that save the future of birds, nature and man in the area.
I think that the struggle is not lees important then the struggle about whales
or other animals in other parts of the world.
If you have any hand in an environment organization or you can write to your
representative please do so and help us with our struglee.
For more details write to:

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