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From: 925wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:49:02 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <BxzywJ.2v2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.224148.6464@gw.wmich.edu> 925wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> [about OS/2 needing mega-space for GUI support]
> 
>>	Similarly, if Amigados was expected to Run MS-Windows and MS-Dos
>>you too would have to add the over 18 megabytes of garbabge to your hard
>>drive.
> 
> Well, I don't claim to know much about OS/2, but AmigaDOS already has a
> GUI and doesn't need to run an external GUI.  I'd figure OS/2 would have
> it's own GUI.  Hmmm clone users?  (I'm not saying emulation isn't nice BTW.)
> 
>>							-Brad
> 
> --Jason Balicki
> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu


	OS/2 does have its own GUI.  But you can install so that you dno't
have one.  Many users don't like GUIs still.  It is an option.
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From: kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth)
Subject: Re: Notebook Computers Dominate Comdex
Reply-To: kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:16:39 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   The obvious questions are: when is Commodore going to develop a notebook
>Amiga???  Will it be when the growth of notebook sales has slowed and some
>other technology is the cutting-edge in the industry?  And when will Commodore
>jump into the pen-based computer market?  
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

As usual MB doesn't get it.

Commodore is in the low-manufacturing-cost computer business.  When
notebook displays are as cheap as CRTs, commodore will be in.  When there
is no price penalty for portability, commodore will be in.  And when and
*if* pen based computing stops being a niche and finds some mainstream
customers, commodore might get in, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on pen
computing if it were my company.

Commodore is comfortably differentiated from IBMPCs already with its
streamlined multitasking OS and fast graphics.  Eventually Windows-NT will
stabilize, and maybe graphics chips powerful enough to offset the slow way
Windows interfaces to memory will be created.  Then Commodore will have to
do something new to differentiate themselves.  But not now.
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From: u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au (Justin Jay Lister)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:00:37 GMT

borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.190859.17749@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>>I have no idea 
>>where William Mataga (of Shamus) and Steve Hales (of Fort Apocalypse) are 
>>today.... anybody got any ideas?

>Steve 'fingers' Hales has been (is?) on the Amiga. I have some old
>sound-tool by him somewhere.

>I'd kill for a Fort Apocalypse '93!

Nothing but nothing beats gyrus on the 64..
Don't try to tell me otherwise 8).

>> Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca)  |  Author of "Death By Boredom" Vols I - IX
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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga/Video Toaster featured on TV program
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:28:18 GMT
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering

In article <1992Nov18.061607.20274@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham) writes:
>
>Anyone see "Invention" on the Discovery Channel tonight.  Their lead
>story was about the Video Toaster and NewTek.  It was pretty flattering
>about the Toaster and they said the word Amiga a couple of times even. 
>They showed some very interesting DTV done on the Toaster and interviewed
>several people who used the Toaster etc.  They also talked a lot about
>NewTek and the kind of company it was.  It made the Amiga and Toaster
>seem very "futuristic" and powerful.  Even I was impressed by many of
>the Toaster effects shown.  And they compared the Toaster to thousands
>of dollars worth of editing equipment and used the words Desk Top Video 
>several times.

  After watching the show it became apparent to me why we have no
toaster for the A3000 or A4000.  These guys are spending all their
time shopping for matching Acura NSX's, corporate jets, playing
video games, designing robotic track lighting and musical big birds,
and watching star trek.  Sheesh!

:-)

>                                  NCW

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1eb501INNdaa
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Nov16.171010.1412@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
>
>If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
>why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?

   Workbench 3.0 is required for the AGA chipset - the Workbench 3.0 >>ROM<<
contains library functions required for AGA.

>Wny do we need WB2.1 at all? (unless, of course, they're hitting the chips at
>register level instead of using the graphics.library correctly......)

   Workbench 2.1 does not require a new ROM. Workbench 2.1 is basically WB3.0
without the AGA support added. Commodore was actually smart to do this: had
they not released WB2.1, people here in .advocacy would probably bitch about
having to buy a new ROM for "minimal improvements".

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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All opinions expressed are my own.                      (MS-DOS CD-ROM, Sega-CD)
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From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:35:33 GMT

In article <1ea5vnINN24g@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.205351.9965@cs.mun.ca> colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:
>>But 3.0 works fine on ECS machines. WB2.1 contains everything an ECS only
>>user needs from 3.0. 
>
>Not.
>
>DataTypes and AmigaGuide are both two BIG things that aren't in 2.1,
>but are in 3.0 in full force.

 AmigaGuide comes with some applications anyway, and the only thing using
DataTypes so far is MultiView. So there you are, you're missing a text/picture
viewer. Big deal. If you want 3.0, get an AGA machine. If you can't afford
one, then write Commodore a letter stating that you feel 3.0 should be
released for everyone. Otherwise, buy 2.1.

>Greg

Colin Stuckless
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From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:53:02 GMT

In article <hgm.722004736@news.ncsu.edu>, hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>In article <Bxu744.KnM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:

>>>BTW, he figures that the Amiga is strictly a games machine.....So naturally
>>>I want to show him that the Sega is nothing but a piece of shit....
>
>Actually, it isn't. The fact that the Sega is a dedicated game system means
>that it has no multitasking OS (in different versions) to worry about.
>Programmers are free to bash the hardware as they wish. 
>
>I have a lot of games that ceased to work when I got my 3000. No such
>problem with my Genesis. 

Ok, lets put in another aspect too.
Hardware compatibility. 

Change the hardware to much on a new Genesis, and you could have more
compatibility problems than on the Amiga just becasue of the lack of OS.

Anyway, most game programmers on the Amiga, if not all (until the days of 3.0 and
AGA at least) don't worry much about the OS.


Terje Marthinussen
terjem@stud.cs.uit.no
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HEIDI'S DECISION. Was: Oh My God, help my friend not buy an IBM
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:08:00 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>[the further adventures of Heidi]
>'>Anyways, I don't know which road she will take, I'm leaving it totally
>'>up to her and your insights from your postings.  She is going to make
>'>up her mind this week.  By then it would be too late for her to easily
>'>cancel her 33Mhz Gateway clone.
>	
>	If she does decide to get the Gateway PC, she's getting a very nice
>   machine.  I've had a 33/486 for over a year now and have never had a single
>   problem with it.  I wouldn't recommend getting the Gateway monitor though,
>   get a Sony 1304 or an NEC instead, thats what I did.  From reading the other
>   PC groups, the Gateway monitors have a bad track record.

If she does decide to get the Gateway PC, be sure to tell her to stick with
fellow Gateway'rs and not to bother with the tech support. ;)

No offense.

>							Greg Greene
>                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:12:12 EST
From: <FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What's the story with Commodore marketing?

In article <92320.192105CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Chris "Slothman" Stoy
<CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>I was at the local mall a couple days ago and decided to stop into Electronics
>Boutique to see if they had any new Amiga stuff.  After searching the store
>for
>a few minutes, I finnaly asked the clerk were the Amiga software is. He said
>that they didn't cary any and had no plans to in to future.  In fact, he said
>the other E.B.'s in the area had been clearing out their Amiga stock.  Is it
>just me, or does this seem like a BAD THING?  When I asked him why they were
>dropping Amiga support, he said it was Commodore's fault, that they didn't
>give any support for the machine.  He agreed that the Amiga was a great
>machine
>but that Commodore was killing it; the best thing that could happen for the
>Amiga was if someone took over Commodore.
>
>Why does Commodore ignore computer stores like E.B.?  Does Commodore even have
>a marketing department?  Most of the people I talk to either never heard of
>the
>Amiga or think it's a fancy game machine.  Is Commodore going to get on the
>ball and start letting people know of the Amiga 1200 and 4000, or are they
>going to do the same thing that they did with the earlier Amigas and just hope
>word of mouth is good enough?  If Commodore doesn't go out and actively
>support
>the Amiga, then it's never going to flurish (although it probably wont die,
>thanks to everyone on .advocacy).  I love the Amiga, but I'm having trouble
>convincing people that it's a good computer.  Commodore needs to give the
>Amiga
>some public exposure.  Me running demos on my 500 isn't going to sell anyone.
>
>


The answer is NO.


Why would we believe that CBM will change it's attitudes now. I know which mall
you are referring to, and I noticed that there were no Amiga games there also.
I didn't even bother to ask. I already figured tha EB had dropped support of th
e Amiga.  And, why shouldn't they. When was the last time you saw an Amiga comm
ercial. I keep hearing about a few commercials in California, but not in the ea
st. The last time I saw an Amiga commercial was the one that featured Tommy
Lasorda and a few other stars. And, that was a LLOOONNGGG time ago.


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From: pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:17:23 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world
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sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston) writes:

>Somewhere, at some point, someone has to  play with the hardware.  Or else
>why have any hardware at all?  (ie - the computer would just exist in your
>imagination)  The OS is the programmers interface with the hardware.  No one
>should be hitting the hardware directly, because as Commodore has said before,
>the hardware will change.  But because the OS is the interface with the hard-
>ware, it has to change with each new chip set.  And that is why WB3.0 is
>incompatible with ECS machines.

If that is so then how can my developer friend run 3.0 on his 2000 :-)

--
                                                              Phil Dietz
         I speak Jargon.                              pdietz@cse.unl.edu
                                                  University Of Nebraska
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.024043.26050@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez) writes:
 
>|> And people seem to forget that CDTV didn't have an Amiga label on it either.

>   Yep, but C= says that you can turn your CDTV into an Amiga Computer
>that uses Amiga software...

Perhaps you don't recall the days when CBM vehemently refused to identify
CDTV as an Amiga. In attempting to market the device as a consumer item,
much effort was made to disassociate the computer from the 'edutainment'
system. I distinctly recall the phrase "It's not an Amiga damnit!"
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:12:59 GMT

In article <37220@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>o Hardware-assisted horizontal fine scrolling. [3]
>
>[3] "assisted" by the BLiTTER(tm)?

No, there's a hardware delay register that can be set to an arbitrary number
of pixel-clocks. I don't think the blitter would be fast enough to blit a
768x512 screen 30 times a second for smooth scrolling, but I haven't bothered
working out the math to see.
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga/Video Toaster featured on TV program
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:13:04 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov18.132818.16235@zds-oem.zds.com>, easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.061607.20274@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham) writes:
>>
>>Anyone see "Invention" on the Discovery Channel tonight.  Their lead
>>story was about the Video Toaster and NewTek.  It was pretty flattering

	[deleted]

>   After watching the show it became apparent to me why we have no
> toaster for the A3000 or A4000.  These guys are spending all their
> time shopping for matching Acura NSX's, corporate jets, playing
> video games, designing robotic track lighting and musical big birds,
> and watching star trek.  Sheesh!
> 
> :-)
> 
>>                                  NCW
> 
	So it all went to their heads?  Too bad.  I personally can't
	see why they don't come out with a revised Toaster for the 
	A3000 or A4000.  I mean, it appears they have already done the
	hard part.  So you think NewTek will be with us in two years?

> -- 
>   ___  ___    Jeff Easton             easton@zds-oem.zds.com
>  (__  (__     Zenith Data Systems     j.easton@mi04.zds.com
>  ___) ___)    Saint Joseph, Mich.     easton@andrews.edu
> Monte Carlo   Z-LS/20 - Choice of a quiet generation
> 
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:57:57 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.075k@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Philip McDonnough:  From what my friends who own Macs,
>including some who make their livings from doing Mac consulting, migration
>to a Quadra fom a system 6 machine is a LOT of trouble, and a lot more
>expensive than just the price of the Quadra....  their old System 6
>software doesn't work, unless they buy new versions that are both System 7
>AND Quadra compatible.  That doesn't go over too well..... One friend who's
>a Mac consultant hasn't gone over to System 7 because "I can't afford the
>cost of upgrading all my software."  Amiga users have it a LOT better than
>that!  I haven't heard that there are many programs that break on the Amiga
>4000 that run on Amiga 3000 -- I did hear, yesterday, that ProPage has some
>problems on the 4000, but that PageStream runs ok.  However, people who
>migrated to Quadras for increased speed in scientific and DTP apps
>discovered that their primary apps didn't want to run with the cache
>enabled, if they ran at all..... and when the problems got fixed, it took
>time and upgrade $$.....

Worse than that.  A friend of mine works at MIT Lincoln Labs.  They have a
fairly large network of Macs that represents all models of the Mac line.
They also have support agreements with Apple, so they always have the latest
upgrades and patches.  Since they migrated to System 7 and 7.01, they have
had lots of problems with systems unexpectedly locking up.  It has become
SOP to stop what you are doing every ten minutes, and save everything to
disk.

Real productive.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:52:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.220951.21298@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com
(Ian Kennedy) writes:

>I know I'm biased..but here we go: QT-PC is lame! The guy at their
>boot claimed that it had better sound-video synch, but it looked
>like a badly dubbed kung-fu movie. MS-AVI stomps QT-PC in the sound-video
>sync area. QT-PC did have the ability to play backwards, something
>MS-AVI lacks.

Interesting. Do you know who was responsible for bringing QT to the PC?
(it would seem intuitively obvious, but you never know)

>The C= booth was very nice and had some excellent full-motion anim demos going
>that really put everybody else to shame.

This is quite encouraging. Was there any mention of the availability of the
A4000/30? The latest speculation is that it will be released at the
Toronto WOC.
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:10:03 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>How long did the Amiga wait for AGA?

Too long, but we DO have it now.

>Finally, for those who devalue high processor speeds, try getting 30-40 back-
>ground processes running and then tell me how well your Amiga compares to my
>PC running OS/2.

First, what kind of processes?  Are you talking full fledged apps or just 
screen savers and the like...

Second, if you need to run 30-40 processes, I'd suggest getting a 
mini-computer as a PC (that's Personal Computer, not IBM) just isn't 
going to cut it for real time work.

>John W. Linville
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--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: imr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian M Rae)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:21:07 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham


>   Food for thought:
>
>  For normal applications, word processors, spreadsheets, databases, etc.
> you will rarely wanna work with more than 256 colors.
>  The case were you want to use the "Falcon True Color", or in the case 
> of the Amiga - "HAM 8" is when you are doing:
>
>    * Imageprocessing   * Animation/multimedia/videos
>    * Painting/art
>
>   Being this the case, HAM 8 has a lot of advantages:

Right and in the case of Imageprocessing and animation/multimedia/videos at
least so does the Falcon, i mean what do you think the DSP chip is for ??? 

Yeah thats right... lets have a brief resumee shall we ?

	Real time image processing
	Real time audio effects ( at CD quality ) this alone would cost ~300 quid
				for a stand alone item of comparable quality.

	Digital (ie v high quality ) audio processing (ie graphic eqs etc)

				As a small side note a well known British audio
				manufacturer has just produced a stand alone DAC
				for CD players costing >1000 quid using as the
				main processing stuff... 2 32MHz M56001 DSP's

	A SOFTWARE high speed modem/fax
	
	and much more that I cant remember or aint sure of...

Now it seems to me that to get this included AS STANDARD in a ~500 pound machine
is really rather sexy, and note that as its standard EVERY program that needs
that sort of pwer can get it... no need to add on a non-standard third party
upgrade...

>consider that the Falcon has no modes on "true-color" on hi-res that
>are NON-INTERLACED!  Was it non-interlaced even on 256 colors?  Don't
>remember, but then, your criticisms about the Amiga (interlace) apply
>to you even more.

you what... if i get a cheap ( 170 pound and falling all the time ) bog standard
VGA monitor i can have upto 768x480x65536 non-interlaced... OK so its interlaced
on a TV but then so is every Amiga in the world.

Anyway lets wait ( come on Atari :( ) and see huh ?

Ian Rae
Software Engineer
University of Birmingham

	
	
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