HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Who's who?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: moose.8APR199214440466
Reply-To: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 19 hrs, 14 mins until the first quarter of the moon (U.T.)

In article <1992Apr7.170027.25509@news.media.mit.edu>, kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick) writes:
> Does anyone have a good thesaurus on a UNIX system?

I believe the Gutenberg project has a thesaurus (and several other famous works
on which the copyright has expired, like Shakespeare, the CIA World Factbook,
Peter Pan, etc.) on-line in the form of a simple text file.  You can get more
details by subscribing to bit.listserv.gutnberg or its equivalent BITNET
mailing list.  If this is not available or convenient for you, you can
anonymous ftp to mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.201.12] and check out the etext
sub-directory.

If you need more details, please don't hesitate to write back to me.

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, RAO%MOOSE@UMNACVX.BITNET>
From: mperry@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: SuperBase 4 Windows
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:50:36 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Superbase 4 Windows.
	It Runs on windows 3 on IBM compatible PC's

	Its Software supplier is : SOFTWARE PUBLISHING CORPORATION

Does anyone have the suppliers Address, Phone Number (full international number)
     Fax number, maybe an internet address, etc.

Thanks. 

	From what I've seen of Superbase 4 Windows, I think it is a great
	package. It appears to be very easy to use and more powerful than
	any packages running at my university.
Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: lchirica@zeus.calpoly.edu (Laurian M. Chirica)
Subject: Re: Relational Systems set back DP by at least 10 yrs.
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:52:56 GMT

Re. the ACM letter by Henry G. Baker stating that "pointer-based"
systems are superior to RDBMS because:

 > These databases could
 > respond quickly to "real-time" requests for information, because the
 > data was readily accessible through pointers and hash tables --without
 > performing "joins".

This is bogus. There is nothing in Codd's relational theory to
prevent an RDBMS implementor from using pointers in the internal-level
representation of a relational database.

As a matter of fact, UNIFY RDBMS uses both hashing and "pre-computed"
joins using pointers in their implementation.  Other RDBMSs do the
same thing.  It is interesting to recall that IBM's System R designers
proposed the use of "links" (really DBTG sets) in the relational model
implementation.  Somewhow links were left out in the commercial IBM
offerings (SQL/DS, DB2).  I do not know if the latest releases of
these systems use links.

Laurian M. Chirica (lchirica@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu)
Computer Science  Department
California Polytechnic State University
San Luis Obispo, CA 93407
From: b39y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Novell and Clipper 5.01
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:35:47 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Help!

I've got a large Clipper 5.01 database application, with many users with many
different levels of access.  I control the access within the program by a set
of restrictions built in to the application.  Like, I don't allow certain
classes of users to access certain menus, and if user == "ADMINISTRATOR" I
allow different priveleges, and so forth.  However, when the users are not
running the application, I don't have that same control.

What I'd like to be able to do is categorize some people as "Viewers", giving
them read access to a lot of the files, but not file scan nor write access. 
Therefore, they could (in theory) use the .DBFs but not write to them.  Network
errors would be controlled by the application, but from DOS they would be
controlled by NetWare.

However, it seems that, in order for Clipper to USE a file, the user must have
read/write/file scan access.  Is there any way around this?  I'd prefer not to
have my users login as a particular user, with appropriate rights, simply to
us this app., and their own account for other purposes.  I'd appreciate any
suggestions.

Thanks.

Dave
b39y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
dave@cont-ed.mail.cornell.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 20:43:58 EDT
From: <UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: dEBASE 3

In article <92092.120342U56779@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U56779@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>I WRITE A SIMPLE CODE TO EDIT OR APPEND NAMES AND THEIR ADDRESSES
>FOR EXAMPLE,
>      @2,3 say 'Enter Name:' get NAME PICTURE "!@AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
>Now I want enter first and last name in the same field NAME,
>but because of PICTURE "!@AAA..." the space bar is locked.
>so I have to use the arrow key for a space.
>    Is there a way to unlock the space bar and still having the
>PICTURE ? Using Space bar is easy.
>Thanks ....

If your database has already defined a field called NAME, with a width
of 30 characters, then you can leave out the AAAAAAAAAAAA's.  Try the
following line:

     @2,3 say 'Enter Name: ' get NAME PICTURE "@!"

Note that the @ comes before the !.  Note also that the field NAME is
valid only in that current program.  To save the information into a file
later, you would have to use something like the following:

     replace MYFILE->NAME with NAME

That would put your inputted variable NAME into the database MYFILE in
the field NAME.

Hope this helps.

George Newell
umasp@maine.bitnet
Organization: Ege University - Computing Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 13:11:17 TUR
From: <PROHVK20@TREARN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: question about DBASE IV ON KEY command

Hi...

I have a question about command "ON KEY ... " of DBASE IV.
DBASE IV help give an example about "ON KEY " like below:

      ON KEY ESC Do Stop


I can assign some commands to PF keys such as "ACTIVATE POPUP XXX",
but I couldn't be successful about executing a program assigned to
PF keys. I got a message saying "restricted command". What am I doing
wrong with the following command?

     ON KEY LABEL PF3 Do Stop


Is it possible to assign some procedures or programs to a specific
PF key? I would appreciate any information about this.

Thanks in advance.

                                          Pelin YAZICI
                                          Sofware Development Group
                                          DAPRO A.s. IZMIR/TURKIYE
Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.databases.informix,comp.databases.oracle
From: musa@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jafar Musa - Business Faculty)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: IRIS from HP
Keywords: Open-ODB, IRIS
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:38:47 GMT
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: musa@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu

Hello there

I am intereseted in knowing about the IRIS system from HP.
Any clues to articles, technical reports or sights will be greatly
appreciated.

Musa Jafar (Assist. Prof. of MIS)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: dBASE IV v1.5: any news?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:51:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I ordered my upgrade to dBase 1.5 about two weeks ago..they said to expect
delivery in three to four weeks.  So I should be seeing it then.  As I own
the developers edition, they inform me a compiler will be coming to me 
see after.  I've already received the "Lan Pak" and the run time modules
for 1.5. 

In 1.5 I understand that the control center has some new features.  ALso
you will be able to have up to 40 work areas open at a time versus 10
in version 1.1.  

Last week's PC-Week magazine had a good write up on 1.5, check it out.
From: hbb@frost.corp.sgi.com (Hugh B. Barraclough)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Sybase User Group of the Bay Area Meeting
Keywords: Sybase, SUGBAy, User Group
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:57:06 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


             SYBASE USER GROUP of the BAY AREA

                       SPRING MEETING

             April 28, 1992, 1:00 pm - 5:15 pm

                  Sun Microsystems, Inc.
     California Circle (off Dixon Landing Road & 880),
                      Building 8,
                      Milpitas, CA


TOPICS and DISCUSSIONS (tentative list of presentations):

    o    Sybase Support Services
             SYBASE
                 Technical Support
                     INSIGHT
                 Customer Service

    o    Object Interfaces
             Servio Corporation
             ParcPlace Systems

    o    4GL's
             Unify
                 Accell/Sybase User Application



For more information contact:
    Daniel Kenyon
    (510) 763-1821

    Hugh Barraclough
    (415) 335-7310
From: cimshop!davidm@uunet.UU.NET (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Read Consistency
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:31:53 GMT
	<1999@nlsun1.oracle.nl> <1992Apr3.234456.3310@informix.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: aland@informix.com's message of 3 Apr 92 23:44:56 GMT
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> On 3 Apr 92 23:44:56 GMT, aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic) said:

> In article <1999@nlsun1.oracle.nl> snieuwen@nl.oracle.com (Sandor
> Nieuwenhuis) writes:

>> Oracle implements the transaction level read-consistency with the set
>> transaction read only statements, and, just like the statement level read
>> consistency, NEVER uses any locks for that.

> To quote from Oracle's "Developing Database Applications for the 90s"
> document, dated 1992:

>   * Concurrency
>    
>   The Oracle RDBMS provides for concurrent access to data with locks.  Locks
>   are used to achieve data consistency and integrity while allowing for the 
>   maximum concurrent access to the data by an unlimited amount of users.

The two statements above *appear* to be consistent (!) with each other.  Locks
would be used to maintain the data consistency that a number of users see.
However, READ ONLY transactions need not lock the main table for data that a
user is viewing *if* it copies the data to a snapshot area.

RDB/VMS does the same thing.
--
====================================================================
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(415) 691-6311					640 Clyde Ct.
uunet!cimshop!davidm				Mtn. View, CA  94043
====================================================================
"We will rediscover a [New York City] river so extravagantly polluted that new
 life forms will emerge from it spontaneously, demanding welfare and voting
 rights."
-- Douglas Adams
From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Foxpro -- What are all these files?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr11.182121.25772@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v064qpfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher S. D'Arrigo) writes...
> 
>Howdy!
>	Can someone tell me what all these files are in my Foxpro
>	directory.  I have a gazillion of them.  Their names
>        are made up of strcitly numbers and have no extensions.
>        Strangely enough, they are all either 0 bytes or 400K large
> 
>	What are these files?  Can I remove them?  If So, when..

     The files are temporary files used by Foxpro.  You may also
find some files that have an extension of '.TMP'.  Normally, Foxpro
removes these files when you exit the program.  If for some reason
you don't exit the program with the quit command (ie. you shut the
machine off before exiting), the files will remain there.
     It should be safe to erase the files.  Do not do it while
you are in Foxpro - a lot of them will be in use by Foxpro.
     One thing you might want to do is check file dates.  If
some of the files are old, then the chances are that they can be 
deleted.

					Pete

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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bitnet:   V105MAHS@UBVMS                . I've stopped looking for a job...
internet: V105MAHS@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU .    I'm now begging for one!!!
From: shevett@dworkin.UUCP (Dave Shevett)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: MicroSoft buys Fox Software!
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: Dave Shevett <shevett@Amber.mccc.edu>
Organization: CSAccess BBS, Lawrenceville, NJ

neal@mnopltd.UUCP writes:
>->But then, I have a dozen or so folks trying to use Microsoft Word on
>->an SCO Xenix box day to day.... I ain't holding out much hope for a
>->usable FoxPro, even if they port it. :)

>Frank Paterson in the local Fox office in atlanta tells me he has gotten 
>assurances that the unix port of Foxpro is real and will happen.  

>Nobody who has ever followed Microsoft's development schedule would ever
>bother to ask or listen to the response to the question "when?".

Was at a Fox users group meeting the other night, and met with a Fox
rep and chatted with George Goley (sp?).  Got a peek at FoxPro 2.5 (which
will be the cross-platform system, including Mac, Unix, Windows and DOS).
(Very impressive, btw).

I pointedly asked George and the rep about FoxPro/Unix, and george said
it will *probably* be the first thing out before FoxPro 2.5.  The
Unix port is complete, and is being beaten to death before releasing.
They say '386 platforms only at first (that's SCO Unix and the like).

I can't wait - looks like I'll be able to get my customers out of
Foxbase 2.1.1 under Xenix soon.  Ahh.

.------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Dave Shevett  Lawrenceville, NJ | FoxPro mailing list -- Mail for info |
| shevett@dworkin.Amber.mccc.EDU .---------------------------------------+
+-------------------------------/  "Have you ever heard of the Murk?"    |
| 10 points if you can ID this --> "Sure!  That's first year stuff..."   |
`------------------------------------------------------------------------'
From: lchirica@orchid (Laurian Chirica)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Relational Systems set back DP by at least 10 yrs.
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:50:07 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


Re. the ACM letter by Henry G. Baker stating that "pointer-based"
systems are superior to RDBMS because:

 > These databases could 
 >respond quickly to "real-time" requests for information, because the
 >data was readily accessible through pointers and hash tables --without
 >performing "joins".

This is bogus. There is nothing in Codd's relational theory to
prevent an RDBMS implementor from using pointers in the internal-level 
representation of a relational database.

As a matter of fact, UNIFY RDBMS uses both hashing and "pre-computed" 
joins using pointers in their implementation.  Other RDBMSs do the
same thing.  It is interesting to recall that IBM's System R designers
proposed the use of "links" (really DBTG sets) in the relational model
implementation.  Somewhow links were left out in the commercial IBM 
offerings (SQL/DS, DB2).  I do not know if the latest releases of
these systems use links.

Laurian M. Chirica (lchirica@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu)
Computer Science Department
California Polytechnic State University
San Luis Obispo, CA 93407
From: cimshop!davidm@uunet.UU.NET (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: E-R modelling ?= 5th Normal Form
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:59:58 GMT
	<1992Apr1.172313.19274@linus.mitre.org> <875@6sceng.UUCP>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: blm@6sceng.UUCP's message of 8 Apr 92 18:54:59 GMT
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> On 8 Apr 92 18:54:59 GMT, blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) said:

> One of my points about the differences between ARDs and ERDs was that
> ERDs are very good for communicating and documenting things, because
> they're fairly high level and abstract.

Very often, that is also the problem with ERDs.  Oftentimes, application
experts are used to dealing with the attributes of their problem space and
have not laid out anything that might be called entities.  ARDs have the
advantage in this area in that you are working with those things that the
application expert is most familiar with and showing them how those things are
assembled into more abstract ideas.
--
====================================================================
David Masterson					Consilium, Inc.
(415) 691-6311					640 Clyde Ct.
uunet!cimshop!davidm				Mtn. View, CA  94043
====================================================================
All obvious theorems are true.
 - Pommersheim's Principle

All true theorems are obvious.
 - Keane's Kriterion
From: PPITKIN@ESOC.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Looking for forms front end.
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:04:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ESOC.92099.080233PPITKIN
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)

Can anyone help me....
                      I am currently trying to find out the names/addresses/tel
ephone numbers etc of companies that make a forms based package to sit on top o
f ORACLE 6. It must be capable of running on a VAXstation (MOTIF) and possibly
on SUN's (Open-look). It must allow me to define forms for entry of data into t
he database and examination of the data once its there. The software at present
 is using SQL-FORMS which effectivly only gives a VT100 style of display (crude
 to say the least). I want something that will allow the full power of the VAXs
tation windows/mouse environment to be used.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
                                     Peter Pitkin
                                     European Space Operation Centre
From: lreeser@ccscola.Columbia (Lesley Reeser)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: paradox
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: lreeser@ccscola.Columbia ()
Organization: NCR CCSD Columbia

This is my first post to any group, and I am a fairly new Paradox user,
so please be gentle with me.

My problem:
I can specify the help and fill option for a table and have it show up
in the form edit mode, but when I go into pprog and select play, the help
and fill will not show up for the same form.  Can anyone point me to what
I might be doing wrong?

Also, is there a good time to call the Borland hotline?  When I call, they
put me in the "holding queue" for over 15 minutes.  A long time to wait on
hold for a non-1-800 number.

Thanks in advance.  

			Lesley
Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: crash@hal.com (Chris Craddock)
Subject: Re: Relational Systems set back DP by at least 10 yrs.
Organization: HaL Computer Systems
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:41:18 GMT

Having made a career out of large systems engineering, I can only
agree with the guy who said this about relational systems, but
what the heck, its been a damn fine living...

However, there are some fundamental reasons for their failure.

FIRST: vendors have rushed to market with rather naieve and ill
considered product offerings. They have altogether lacked the sort
of supporting infrastructure that people were used to back in the
[insert good|bad depending on predilection] days of VSAM and DL/1.
Even today, there is barely more than lip service paid to important
functional issues.

SECOND: relational solutions are utterly unforgiving of poor design.
Any solution (such as VSAM or DL/1) which provides (and relies upon)
physical pointers is always going to beat the snot out of an RDBMS
which has no positional information. Accordingly, you could almost
slap together any grotty old application and database design and it
would work just fine. However, as many early adopters have discovered
to their dismay, a great many real world applications are simply not
executable by RDBMS's without careful design and *INTENSIVE* tuning.

THIRD: relational solutions (just like OO* and CASE before it) were
heavily over-sold and over-hyped by unscrupulous vendors. The poor
customers were told they no longer needed database designers, or
administrators and that users could code applications ten times as
fast. The carrot was just too tempting and they bought it in droves.

The reality was that they could code slightly faster, but that they 
ended up spending at least ten times longer debugging, redesigning
and tuning the application.

I installed one of the first production DB2 systems outside of the IBM 
labs in 1984 and I've been working with it and other RDBMS systems
pretty much continuously since then. On the basis of personal experience
I would say that the result of point three above has been a net decline
in productivity. 

Cost wise, there have been hundreds, or thousands of hardware upgrades
driven solely by the need for more relational mips. It is fair to say
that the price/performance ratio of databases has declined severely
over this time. 

Is this really "progress" ?  I sorta doubt it.

Chris
-- 
"That's the problem with nature, something's always stinging you
 or oozing mucous all over you. Let's go and watch TV"  - Calvin

crash@hal.com   		HaL Computer Systems Inc.
(408) 379-7000 x1163		1315 Dell Ave. Campbell CA 95008
Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: buck@siswat.hou.tx.us (Lester Buck)
Subject: storage standards for databases
Organization: Photon Graphics
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:55:28 GMT

I am a member of the IEEE P1244 Storage System Standards Working Group,
which is standardizing the interfaces between major functional modules
in distributed storage systems.  Our group of about 30 regular attendees
includes representatives from the major storage hardware and software
vendors and a number of government laboratories, but we have no
representation from any database companies.  The typical client of a
storage system standard will be an operating system's file system, but
sophisticated clients such as databases should be able to bypass the
file abstraction and access raw storage.  I am trying to make contact
with people who are in the development organizations in database
companies and who can articulate what their products would like to have
and use in standard distributed storage services.

If you are interested in discussing your company's needs in such a
standard, please contact me by phone at work (the email address below is
to my home machine).

(713) 282-8578  (voice)
(713) 282-7439  (fax)

Thanks alot!

-- 
A. Lester Buck   buck@siswat.hou.tx.us   ...!uhnix1!siswat!buck
From: bock@pollux.usc.edu (Gene Bock)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: IRIS from HP
Date: 16 Apr 1992 22:59:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu
Keywords: Open-ODB, IRIS

musa@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jafar Musa - Business Faculty) writes:

>Hello there

>I am intereseted in knowing about the IRIS system from HP.
>Any clues to articles, technical reports or sights will be greatly
>appreciated.

>Musa Jafar (Assist. Prof. of MIS)

I am using Iris right now. Iris looks fine but actually it sucks in terms
of performance and service.
My problem is that if I create more than about 10,000 instances under
my application type hierarchy it has just crahsed. HP people
has never replied my problem. So, my conclusion is do waste your
valuable time on Iris. Still if you want to know theoretical background
of Iris let me know. I am pleased to give you a list of references.

Gene     bock@pollux.usc.edu

P.S. My hardware platform is HP 9000/700 720.

Good luck.
Newsgroups: comp.databases