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From: 2ck1racicr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: College Libraries Funded by the Trivial
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:42:02 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Dec13.025333.20653@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.211326.10263@midway.uchicago.edu> N.W. Choe <nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>>The Regenstein Library here at the University 
>>of Chicago (home base of Nobel Prizes) was 
>>paid for by the Regenstein Family... who 
>>invented/made those enveloped with
>>clear plastic windows in them... 
>
>I'm curious whether this is true, or just an urban legend of its own.
>
>The reason I ask is because I was told as a credulous student at Brandeis
>that the Gerstenzang Library was funded by the man who invented Q-Tips.
>
>Do other colleges have libraries allegedly funded by the inventors of the
>mundane?  Are either of these stories true?  
>
>Ted "they never let me into the Reg because law students never carry
>     their registration cards because the law library isn't anal" Frank
>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

Well up here in Marquette, we have a chem prof who gets paid the biggest
salary I've ever seen. A big Fat Dollar.
	He has a pile of money. He invented the sticky crap om
scoth tape and latex paint.

						Why am I?

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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:55:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <6u8mVB1w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz>, system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
> brownea@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
> 
> > 	"Mother Very Easily Made a Jam Sandwich Using No Peanuts, Mayonaise or
> > Glue" - 
> > 	Mercury
> > 	Venus
> > 	Earth
> > 	Mars
> > 	Jupiter
> > 	Saturn
> > 	Uranus
> > 	Neptune
> > 	Pluto
> > (in some universes)
> > 	Mickey
> > 	Goofy
> 
> Only problem is that this is wrong. Pluto is closer to the sun that Neptune.

For a few more years.  Pluto's orbit is highly elliptical (as well as
quite inclined to the plane of the ecliptic), and sometimes Pluto is
closer to the Sun than Neptune is.  That's the case right now, though
the situation won't last much longer -- till 1997, as I recall, but
I don't have any references handy.  Most of the time, Pluto is further
away (and often much further away) from the Sun than Neptune is.
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From: wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis)
Subject: Re: College Libraries Funded by the Trivial
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:45:57 GMT

Here at the UW, we have a dormitory named McMahon Hall. Close examination
of the plaque reveals that it is indeed Edward McMahon Hall. Now, the
administration *says* that it's unrelated, but you can never trust 
those administrators ...


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From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:04:29 GMT
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Organization: Color Computer 3: Tandy's 'game' machine

sysbrc@loki.albany.edu (Brian Cuttler) says:
 [...stuff gone...]

>>>Only problem is that this is wrong. Pluto is closer to the sun that Neptune.
>>
>>You're kidding!!!!!
>>
>>Where did you get that???
>>
>>I'm no astronomer, but back in high school, people told me Pluto is the
>>9th planet and was discovered only because of ambiguities in Neptune's
>>orbit...
>>
>>>  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
>>>  This .sig unintentionally left blank.
>>
>>-- 
>>Sylvain Chamberland           INTERNET: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca   
>>Dept. of Biology          -----------------------------------------------------
>>University of Waterloo    |  "Biochimiste un jour, biochimiste toujours!"
>>Waterloo, Ontario, Canada |                               - anonyme
>
>
>Pluto and Neptune cross orbits.  Neptune is currently inside of Neptune's
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>orbit and will be inside of it for another 6 or 7 years.  90% of the time
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tho Pluto is on the outside.

Now that IS a neat trick! :-)  Been talking to the Professor of Mathematics
who recently put forth his theory on sci.astro?  He proposes moving Venus to
Earth's orbit and thereby making Venus inhabitable. :-)

(I know the above was a typo, just couldn't resist. :-)
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Subject: Re: ...film at 11...
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 15:38:42 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

infidel@cislabs.pitt.edu (todd j. derr) writes:

> I haven't been this steamed since the last time a megacorp highjacked
> a common term, when IBM (in my mind, illegally) trademarked the
> acronym for "personal computer."

Did IBM actually DO this?



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From: rodenhiser@chem1.chem.dal.ca (RODENHEISER ANDREW)
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:00:27 GMT

In article <1gc1etINNges@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bdsm@poincare.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell) writes:
>|> OK.  New mnemonic question.  Who has mnemonics for the sharps and flats
>|> in key signatures in music?  For instance, the flats, as told by my
>|> grandfather:
>|> 
>|> Ben's Eagle Ate Dad's Grey Cat Friday.
>|> 
>|> (ie B flat is the first, then E flat comes next and so on.)
>|> 
>|> Tim Pickett
>
>
>TREBLE CLEF:    Lines...                          Spaces...
>                     Every Good Boy Does Fine           F A C E (face!)

I'm not a musician, so I'd never seen this pattern before.  However I have a 
recent album by Mudhoney entitled "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge" which must 
certainly be a mnemonic for this scale.

>
>Don McConnell 

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Final Exams
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:34:37 GMT

And then there was Robert Frost (or was it Maya Angelou?) at Amherst,
who was forced by the administration to give a final exam to the
class he taught.  It was one question: "What did you learn from this
course?"

Later, he tells a fellow professor this, and that one student wrote
back that he didn't learn a damn thing.  "What did you give him?" asked
the shocked professor?  "An A-minus," said Frost.  "H-h-how could you give
that answer an A-minus?" sputters the professor.  "I had to," responded
Frost, "he spelled 'damn' wrong."  And then he threw up on his shoes.
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From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The El (Was: Re: Conductivity of water <plus a story from Uncle Dave>)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:34:28 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive

From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel K. Sheesh)
> Interestingly, it's called the El because it's an elevated train.  
> Not the "L"... the El.

Yes, and the one in Paris is "the la El"

And there's a school in Mountain View called "Escuela School"

And there's a little lake at the back of the Stanford campus called Lake Lagunita
(ok, at the moment it's just a lake bed.)

And there's some tar pits in LA called the La Brea tar pits.

I think I got most of them, saving the net hundreds if not thousands of zlotys.


    Peter "Zazie dans the la el Metro" van der Linden
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Poisoned Cocaine Legend?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:20:51 GMT

diane@Apple.COM (Diane Patterson) writes:
: 
: A friend told me the story about how a FOAF of his wanted to try
: cocaine and a friend of his (how many friends down the line are we
: now?) said, "I'll get some for you." And so he did and the two made a
: date for the FOAF to try it. Well, the FOAF was late, so the guy who
: got the cocaine said, "I'll start without him," and voila! The cocaine
: was poisoned and the guy died. It was only by virtue of (insert
: favorite excuse for being late here) that the FOAF didn't die himself.
: 
: I didn't see it in the FAQ, so I ask the group: how old and how
: widespread?

I haven't heard this particular variant, but it is an example of the
class of "Accidentally to late for the accident" variety. There are
many of them.

Bill
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: challenger explosion
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:21:09 GMT

In <1992Dec9.4704.37267@dosgate> steve.ginter@canrem.com (steve ginter) writes:

>Pardon my asking, but are you the Cindy Davies I knew at the University
>of Waterloo?

I am not.  Is anyone else there not Cindy Davies or not related to
her?
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: Re: starting smaller next time (Was: Re: SCDOWN)
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:12:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.135810.12988@bsu-ucs> 00sgmoses@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>>:Burro Love
>>
[much sillyness omitted]                     {...and there was much rejoicing}
>>implements.  They will dress you in silly colors and ride you in circles and
>>make you count for them."  After that, god rested and kicked out all of the
>>horses and burros.  He kicked over the tree of knowledge and burnt the garden
>>to the ground muttering something about starting out smaller next time.  So thi
>s
>>began the eternal rift between the cursed horses and the saintly burros which
>>we so adore now.
>
>Right, and when God "started smaller next time," he made the Lemurs.  The
>Lemurs lived happily in Eden for many millenia, not caring a whit for this
>Apple of Knowledge that they weren't supposed to eat.  It made God kinda
>annoyed that the Lemurs didn't even _want_ any of the Apple, much less the
>knowledge or whatever that comes from eating it.  It was as though they were
>saying that they were too uppity to want a measely apple.  God thought about it
>for a while, then got rid of the Apple and the Tree of Knowledge altogether and
>made a replacement: the Twinkie of Knowledge.  God lined all the Lemurs up and
>said "Right.  I don't want any of yez eating this Twinkie of Knowledge, and if
>you do, I'll kick your butts outta here."  Much to God's surprise, the Lemurs
>made a mass rush at the podium and gobbled the Twinkie of Knowledge down in no
>time flat.  God kicked them out and decided to take up model airplane building
>as a hobby instead.

Well, they (the lemurs that hang around my patio at night and kibitz most 
of my net postings) noticed that, too, and quite a while ago.

Why, just last week they borrowed my copy of  William Green's
_Warplanes_of_the_Third_Reich_ to check out the dimensions of the new DML
kit of the Ar234, I think it was.  The little guys can do a better paint job
that I can, too, though I'm not sure if they really do have a hard time
cleaning up the airbrush or they just have me properly trained to do it for
them.  Apparently, they're on a first name basis with "Yaweh" and plan to
beat him soundly at the next IPMS meet (InterDiety Plastic Modellers' Society)

[I think He's still got them beat in the fantasy categories, though]


Bob "I'd rather build model tanks, anyway-you can cover the flaws with mud"
  O'Brien
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From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:33:51 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

In article <1gdsg3INNi8h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bdsm@fermat.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell) writes:
>
>I don't know about Unknown Street, but in Austin, Texas, there is a street 
>called "Nameless Road".
>
>Don Mc Connell

I gotta follow this up, since for 7 years I took Nameless Road to go to work,
and voted at the Nameless schoolhouse (old-fashioned one-room school) beside
the cemetary that served the Nameless community.

Story is that the name the community wished to adopt was not OK by the post
office, so the community leaders got peeved and said, "All right, if you
won't call us what we want, we'll just be nameless!"  And so they were.

I had a blast giving directions:  "Off 1431, you'll make a right onto 
Nameless Road -- ummhmm, that's the name; there's a pretty, green sign
that says so -- "

Kathryn Roth Whitworth
  
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Another University Exam One
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.223206.4189@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
>: And when he turned over to seventh
>: question on page six it started by saying "IGNORE ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE
>: THIS ONE"
>: Anyone else heard this one?
>
>Yep - many times. I wonder if anyone has ever turned up an actual exam
>that had this "feature"?

I had one in fourth grade under Ms. Mouton at Lovett Elementary.  

And then there's the story about the professor who gives a pop quiz,
and says "Anyone not prepared can leave the room now and get a C" and
two-thirds of the class leaves, and then he gives everyone else an "A."

Ted "morality tales backwards-r us" Frank
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From: acooper@nuustak.csir.co.za (Antony Cooper)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:59:59 +0200
Organization: CSIR, South AFrica
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X-Disclaimer: and in no way represent the official view of CSIR.

Thus spake derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):

>A friend of mine lives on a no exit road called cemetery road.

>The sign reads "Cemetery Road No Exit"

>That is when the sign hasn't been stolen by people who find this rather 
>amusing.

Similarily, my brother lives in "Condon Road", from whence the road signs
have also been known to be stolen, on occasion.

There is also a semi-rural residential area near here known as "Country View".
There are grand entrances to the area, with large signs proclaiming its name -
unfortunately (or fortunately), from most of these signs the letters "o", "r"
and "y" have been removed ...

Antony
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: AFU infects USENET!  (Film at 11)
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I got this from my news server today:

 >Subj:	Create newsgroup rec.arts.marching.misc

 >For your newsgroups file:
 >rec.arts.marching.misc  Marching-related performance activities.

 >The charter, culled from the call for votes:
        .
        .
        .

 >The rec.arts.marching groups are not intended to discuss marching techniques
 >for military activity (e.g. staggering marching steps while crossing bridges
 >to avoid the creation of potentially destructive harmonic waves). 
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yea, you can ONLY discuss this in AFU!!!!

Also in the charter:

>Discussion of any information of potential military value is forbidden.

Unless you have a special EXPORT license! ;-)

Terry "One time we put an nuclear bomb in a Tuba an nuked the parade" Wood
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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Crazy as a $2 bill
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:45:15 GMT

bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer) writes:
>	sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>> 1.  The $2 bill was considered to be unlucky; the way to break the
>> evil spell it cast on you was to tear off a corner of the bill. 
>> Thus the bank clerks had a very hard time accurately counting stacks
>> of the things because they were all mutilated.
>
>Does anybody have any stories as to why $2 bills are considered unlucky?
>
>The superstition has persisted for many years, with them never circulating
>very much.  These days, I suspect that if you wanted them to circulate, you
>would have to convince the makers of bill-changing machines and vending
>machines to buy into taking them (which of course they don't want to because
>nobody uses them ...).

Well, $2 bills *are* considered unlucky by some.  They are considered
rather inconvenient by many.  Some of these are store owners whose cash
registers do not have a plae for a $2 bill.  What happens is they collect
them but put them under the tray, where they are not easily accessible for
the purpose of giving change.  So they get turned back in to the bank.

>Another curiosity - according to my almanac, the $2 bill is the only bill
>whose design has changed in the last few decades.  They discontinued it
>in 1966, and reissued it in 1976, taking Monticello off the back and
>substituting a picture of the signing of the declaration of independence.
>How come the treasury dept seems determined to issue the things if nobody
>wants to use them?

Because the cost of printing a $1 bill keeps getting closer and closer
to $1.  (I think it's somehting like a fraction of a dollar, but it's
still something like 10 times more expensive today than several years
ago.)  Obviously a $2 bill will be "half as cheap".  After all, in
essence the dollar bill is the biggest "product" that our government
"sells".

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: They used to think...
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:20:30 GMT

Taking this out of *.politics.* ....

In article <1992Dec16.060706.29980@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) relates a story she's
>heard:
>
>>"You know, they say early man didn't understand about sex.
>>You know, babies just came.  They didn't make the connection
>>that sex had anything to do with it, because babies came so
>>much later.  Sex was one thing, and having babies was another.
>>That's why there was a mother goddess, but no father goddess.
>>They didn't realize babies had fathers, too."
>
>	I heard this about natives of Australia and/or New Guinea.
>Although it may just be one of those stories told to make their
>repression seem OK.

I heard that the natives were just playing a joke on the anthropologist.
At least, that's what Carl Sagan says.

>ObUL _The Great American Novel_ has an excellent chapter about the
>introduction of Baseball to Africa.  Interesting sex practices.

I like the part about the duelling midgets, myself.

Ted "Mistah Baseball -- he dead" Frank
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From: mccauley@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Another University Exam One
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:05:19 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <1992Dec11.171200.9466@ac.dal.ca>, egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
> An other UFL to go with the BLUEBOOK exam story
> 
> Sitting in my exam today the professor beat to death that we should read
> the entire exam first. This sparked a memory of a grade six science teacher
> that told us naive eleven year olds to always remember to read the entire
> exam because when he was in university they once had this really long 
> exam that went on for over ten pages. And when he turned over to seventh
> question on page six it started by saying "IGNORE ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE
> THIS ONE"
 Anyone else heard this one?

Yep.  Sure did.  In fact, this experience happened to me, on April Fools 
Day.  Got a copy of the test in my elementary school scrapbook.  This test 
was administered in the sixth grade.  
 
Bill
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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: absentee ballots
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:51:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <livp7qINN6eg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Scearce) writes:
> Isn't this a sort of "tree falling in the woods" question?  Like, what
> difference does it make?

Well, during storm last week, a 35' spruce tree of ours fell down, and
our next door neighbor says she didn't hear anything.  But it does make
a difference, because we had to pay to get rid of the facocteh thing.
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