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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: advice on scanners wanted
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:28:55 GMT

In article <17169@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

>If you're interested in the 200xlt or the PRO-43, wander over to
>alt.radio.scanner -- Bob Parnass has just posted a detailed chart
>comparing the two.  He's also written detailed reviews of both; if
>folks are interested, I'll ask his permission to repost them.

Please do, I can't get alt.radio.scanner and would like to read this.


>For me, the deciding factors were the battery types (the PRO-43 takes
>AA cells as well as NiCads, an advantage both for long days and for
>intermittent users) and the frequency storage -- the PRO-43 uses EEPROM,
>so the memory is non-volatile if the batteries die.

I run my 100xlt off a cord connected to the lighter outlet when I'm in
the car so it charges the batteries.  The EEPORM in the radio shack is
sorely missing in the Bearcat though.



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From: jmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Marshall)
Subject: Re: Vancouver to Seattle by Amtrak
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.204437.15758@unixg.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Bana
rji) writes:
>         Vancouver-Seattle by Amtrak
>
>    So it appears that this is another new Amtrak service which we may 
>in a year or so. I know that Amtrak used to run on this route in the 1970s.
>Does anyone have a timetable of this route? Just curious to know the stops.
>I suppose Bellingham would be one.
>    We can expect a lot of Vancouverites going cross-border shopping 
>on this train.

I wouldn't be so hasty.  According to the Amtrak report, MAJOR work needs to be
done on the BN line between Seattle and Vancouver before passenger service can 
even be thought about.  The "physical restrictions" mentioned in the report 
mean that high speed service is not possible.  One other note:  railroad
costs would be high, because BN doesn't have to follow the Rail Passenger
Services Act for Amtrak operations over its Canadian lines.  The report states,
"As a result, BN is not restricted to charging avoidable costs for use of its 
line, but can charge materially greater fully allocated costs."

Of the 13 new routes and 5 routes previously studied that are mentioned in the 
report, only the extension of the Sunset Limited to Miami is going to be 
implemented in the near future (April 1993).  Barring a substantial increase in
Amtrak's federal subsidy (ha, ha), or assistance from the involved state govts,
I doubt if any of these routes will be implemented in under 3-5 years.

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From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Amtrack from Boston to Portland, ME
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:11:48 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

From this mornings Boston Globe from the Q+A section on the comic page.
Q. What's the scoop on a proposed high speed train making the former Pease Air
Force Base at Newington, N.H. with Boston? K.C., Lynn

A. According to Henry Powers, chairman of the Pease Development
Authority on the former base, realization of such service only lies in the 
future.  A surface transportation study for the region, including rail
lines and park-and-ride facilities, should be completed in the fall of
1993.  Encouraging highlights: Pease owns railroad rights-of-way.  
Futhermore, according to a preliminary draft of the transportion study:
"Amtrack has been recently selected by the Maine Department of Transportation
 to opeate rail passenger service to Portland, Maine, from Boston's North 
Station via the Springfield terminal Railway Co. Freight Main Line, which runs
between Boston and Portland.  Amtrack has indicated that running services
from New York City and points south would be desirable to provide
effective and competitive service."  Meanwhile, the New Hampshie 
Transportation Department is studying relocation of automobile roadways at 
the Gossling interchange in front of the entrance to Pease to avoid conflict
with the existing grade-level rail crossing at that location.


On another note,  Did anyone see old rail car last week at South Station
in Boston.  I think it is from the Balt. and Ohio, but I might be 
mistaken.  It was awsome.... The person who owns the Hard Rock Cafe's
owns it and he brought it to town...

One last note.  On the railroad song issue, I suggest the song about
Charlie who got stuck on the MTA (now the MBTA) because he
did not have enough $$ to get off the train..  Once again, I don't
know the name of the song, but I think someone in net land might.

John
From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: RE: Vancouver to Seattle by Amtrak
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:29:21 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) writes:
>
>From the Summer 1981 VIA timetable (which also lists Amtrak routes
>into Canada):
>
>0700        Vancouver              2344
>0724        New Westminster        2313
>0800 (arr)  Blaine                 2212 (dep)
>0818 (dep)                         2210 (arr)
>0845        Bellingham             2145
>0926        Mt. Vernon-Burlington  2105
>1020        Everett                2011
>1045        Edmonds                1947
>1130        Seattle                1915
>
>Tom Box
>CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

This is not a train; it is Amtrak's Thruway service. Probably a 'hound.

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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Charlie on the T ( Ma. Pike vs. MTA)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 16:03:26 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep11.093034.2167@merrimack.edu>, gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:
|> Hi.  With all this hub-dub I created about Charlie on the T, I wondered
|> when the MTA changed its name to the MBTA.  
|> Now, the MTA is the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority.
|> A long time ago it stood for the Mass. transit authority.
|> Don't you love it when the folks on Beacon Hill change meanings
|> for government agencies.. 

The MTA was the "Metropolitan Transit Authority".
The MBTA is the "Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority".

The name was changed in the early 1960's, when a lot of additional
towns were added to the MBTA's service area.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: carl_henderson@um.cc.umich.edu (Carl Henderson)
Subject: RE: Vancouver to Seattle by Amtrak
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:01:27 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: na

In article <10SEP92.18560497.0067@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
> 
> In article <8353@orbit.cts.com> rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer) writes:
> >CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) writes:
> >>
> >>From the Summer 1981 VIA timetable (which also lists Amtrak routes
> >>into Canada):
> >>
> >>0700        Vancouver              2344
> >>0724        New Westminster        2313
> >>0800 (arr)  Blaine                 2212 (dep)
> >>0818 (dep)                         2210 (arr)
> >>0845        Bellingham             2145
> >>0926        Mt. Vernon-Burlington  2105
> >>1020        Everett                2011
> >>1045        Edmonds                1947
> >>1130        Seattle                1915
> >
> >This is not a train; it is Amtrak's Thruway service. Probably a 'hound.
> >
> Please note the date I gave above -- 1981.  I'm pretty sure it was a
> train, on the verge of being axed.
> 
> Tom Box
> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
> 
Yes there was a train for a while.  I remember seeing its Superliner consist
stopping in Bellingham in August, 1981.

Carl
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From: rupertb@is.morgan.com (Rupert Brown)
Subject: Re: List of surviving US steam locomotives (part 2/2)
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:48:38 GMT

Re No. 60008 4-6-2 LN&NE  At Green Bay

The company should be LNER (London and North Eastern Railway) although numbered
as 60008 the loco is in BR British Railways livery.

60008 is of course better known as 'Dwight D Eisenhower' the locomotive
class is A4 the same as No. 4468 Mallard the World Speed record holder
for Steam Traction.

I have not managed to visit either of the 2 preserved A4's in North America
(The other being 'Dominion of Canada' in Montreal).
Does anyone have any news as to their condition. I know internally Dominion
of Canada can never be run again but how do they look on the outside at least.

P.S. If anyone wants any further details - building dates /allocation & working
I can provide them.

- Rupert
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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: ILLINOIS BOOK
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:43:27 GMT

Just discovered a very interesting book which might
be of use to train fans/model railroaders from Illinois:

Buissert, David, HISTORIC ILLINOIS FROM THE AIR; Chicago :
University of Chicago Press, 1990.  ISBN 0226079899.
Price: $34.95.

As the title implies, this is an aerial view of the state.
The story is told using historical maps, old and new
illustrations and recent color aerial photographs.  It 
covers the prehistoric period through early exploration
and settlement up to the present day.  Of special interest
to railfans is Chapter 8: Railroads in Illinois, complete
with some interesting period photos and line art.  There
are also two chapters on the development of Chicago which
include such views as 19th century docks, the Pullman works,
and the great fire.  There is an extensive bibliography of
related works including 16 books on railroads.

This one is well worth reading. I only wish there was a
similar book for Virginia.

~S
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"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: wdjohnso@iastate.edu (Whitney D Johnson)
Subject: Re: Santa Fe #3751
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:17:06 GMT
From: R.Todd.Minsk@dartmouth.edu (R. Todd Minsk)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Updated timetables
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:48:13 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <186isdINNsc4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry W. Jordak) writes:

> 
> I live in Cleveland, OH, and use a Conrail Pittsburgh Division timetable
> with my scanner to track train movements, etc. However, the timetable
> is dated 1/15/89, and since that time CR has changed some radio channels,
> abandoned a couple lines, etc. Is there any chance of obtaining a current
> timetable thru Conrail? Has anyone tried this before? Would they go along
> with it? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanx,
> -Jer

Yards where crews originate/terminate, and especially those where the
crew caller is, often have copies of employee timetables or timetable
updates (known as "General Orders" on Conrail). Sometimes they are out
in the open in or near the crew room, or you might find a generous
sympathetic employee who will unofficially give some to you.  Doing so
will be trespassing and stealing, so use your own judgement.

Todd Minsk, ferro-bibliographer
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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Stations
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:05:35 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Sep14.190545.15306@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

|> 	How crowded is Penn Station nowadays? With Amtrak to DC,
|> upstate NY, and Boston and PATH and NJ Transit and the LIRR all
|> converging on that spot, it must have a Tartarus of a lot of train
|> traffic. Has it reached capacity yet?


Well, PATH isn't really relevant to this discussion since its
station is about a block away (although connected to Penn Station),
and its trains run on their own tracks completely separate from
those of regular railroads.

PATH runs south from 33rd Street, while the real railroads
(Amtrak, NJTransit, LIRR) run east-west through Penn Station.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia (Kershner Wyatt)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: CSX in Columbia, SC
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:00:18 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

Identification please--

Lately, there has been a new addition to the normal SD-40-2 traffic running
behind my house.  It is on the Columbia, Newberry, and Laurens section of CSX,
here in South Carolina.  The unit appears to be a SD-40-2, painted red and
medium yellow with the big letters SF.  I have seen it four times
now, but never in a position to get a really good look at it.  It sounds in
pretty sad shape.  Generally working coal drags, in second or third position,
never lead.

Ideas?
-- 
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com

My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.
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From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Subject: Re: Has Milwaukee Road 261 left Green Bay?
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:36:27 GMT

In article <8378@orbit.cts.com>, rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer) writes:
|> 
|> I heard that the 261 will be on the way soon ( like before jan 1st), 
|> and it will be restored somewhere up near the Soo Line's Humboldt Yard.
|> 

That is correct.  I was at the Jackson Street Roundhouse this weekend.  The
word I got is that it is scheduled to leave Green Bay on Sunday September 20.
It is supposed to arrive on Wednesday 23.  The dates are always being pushed
back however.

The flues for this engine are in a large pile at Jackson Street.
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From: jeff@athena.lkg.dec.com (Jeff S. Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: 200-mile rail network under study in Vermont.
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:58:32 GMT
Distribution: usa

emery@Dr_No.mitre.org (David Emery) writes:

>Humh.  I know the route from White River Junction, past Montpelier
>(but not *through* Montpelier, I wrote a paper on that in College), up
>to Burlington.  And I can understand how to get from Burlington to
>Rutland.  But how do we get across the southern part of VT?
>Presumably, there's track from Rutland to Bellows Falls.  Is this the
>old Rutland/Green Mountain RR line?

>This would be a super trip in the Fall, and could also make a nice Ski
>Train, particularly if they set up connections to the various VT ski
>resorts.

>				dave
Yup, State owned I believe and operated by the GMR.  Freight btwn Bellows
Falls and Rutland and tourist (seasonal) from Bellows Falls to Chester and
on occasion to Ludlow behind a mint Alco with the sweetest chime horn I've
ever heard.  Only diesel I've ever had any regard for.  And they * DO * run
in the fall and have for years, ever since the much lamented demise of
Steamtown (yes, I know it's alive as public pork in PA but it ain't the
same!).  I can post schedule and phone numbers if there is interest in fall
GMR runs, you can do that now, not in some hopeful future :-)  Everyone has
* his * railroad and this has been mine since the first time I rode behind
one of Nelson Blount's up-from-the-grave steam engines when the world was
young, I was 14 and the Cheshire branch was still there (my favorite ex
railroad ! and almost an extension of the old Rut.).  And you are of course
right about Montpelier, it's on a branch off the CV main, short line I
believe ?  Lost their bridge through Montpelier in the flooding this
spring.
--
Jeff S. Tyler
Decathena
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From: whamilto@geppetto.encore.com (Bill Hamilton)
Subject: Re: CSX in Columbia, SC
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:13:40 GMT

In response to this thread someone rercently posted a break down of CSX
engine number assignments by locomotive type and manufacturer.

I would appreciate a repost or email of this information.

Thanks,

Bill
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From: 71410.2104@compuserve.com (Edward Dunne)
Subject: Subcribe
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:49:53 +0300

Can I subscribe to the railroad, I work for Irish Railways in Ireland.
		
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From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,ba.tranportation
Subject: Maintainance on CalTrain?
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:00:52 GMT
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

Hi Folks,

	Does anyone out there know who is in charge of maintainance
for CalTrain?  Specifically motive power and rolling stock?  I'd like
to have a little talk with them.  I'd also like to get a copy of their
recent logs since they should now be a matter of public record.

Thanks,
George

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From: rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: 2472 Schedule?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tassajara


Does anyone know the schedule for 2472's movement from
South SF to San Jose?  I hear it will be sometime tonight
because departure from San Jose is scheduled for 8:30AM
tomorrow.

Background: ex-SP P-9 2472 will be pulling a special train
from San Jose to Los Angeles over the SP Coast Route this
weekend.

Rod
From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad ?
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:59:45 GMT
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST


Greetings folks:

My girlfriend is doing some architectural research on some buildings
associated with a "Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad".

She needs info about what the railroad's home base is (or was), and if
there is any other info available about it.  Basically, she'd like to
know everything there is to know about it.

I have never heard of such a beast, and grew up in Baltimore, so I'm
a little perplexed.  Anyone else heard of it?

					Thanks in advance...

						Josh Diamond
						AKA Spidey!!!


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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Three questions
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:05:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Garth G. Groff writes:
> 
> I just was reading an article from RAIL MODEL JOURNAL
> about USRA boxcars the other day.  It mentioned that the
> year K-brakes were finally outlawed for interchange was
> 1953.  I believe that it was supposed to have happened
> several years sooner, but was extended several times.


This may sound funny, but how EXACTLY does the K-brake operate?  We (CP, that
is) still have some old cars around sitting in the yard that are stencilled 'R'
(Restricted) for Age, and K Brake.  Thus, as has been mentioned, these cannot
be interchanged.  We are obviously trained extensively on how modern air brakes
operate, but I have never learned how K-brakes actually operate.  What's the
main difference???

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From: jws7@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEFF W SCHRAMM)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Donkey-Whiskey Island Hewlets
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:36:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <98qsqB2w164w@railnet.nshore.ORG>, eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Va
n Huffel) writes:
>eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel) writes:
>
  The area was Whiskey Island, specifically
>> the C&P Ore Dock yards.  There, sitting quite by itself was a peculiar
>> looking sort of an engine, which appeared to be a third rail electric donkey
>> switcher.  Does anyone have any familiarity with the unit, and can they post
>> the specifics of this engine.  I hope to get a photo, and post it as a GIF.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> --
>> eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
>> Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476
>
>
  It appears that Pennsylvania had 3 of these units placed for
>volume movement of ore cars, during the heyday of American Manufacturing.
>--
>eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
>Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

For more information on the Whiskey Island area there is an Excellent article
in the August issue of "Railpace" magazine.  This is the last year that the
Hewlets will be operational so get out and photograph them while you can.  The
little electric shunting engines are still operational but will not be after
this lake shipping season which is rapidly drawing to a close.  Conrail will
however still use the dock but only self-unloaders will be unloading Iron ore.


>
-- 
Jeff Schramm   Lehigh University   {{{  "ice is civilization"  }}}
From: holloway@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bill Holloway)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Oklahoma and Florida Amtrak
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:28:57 GMT
Distribution: rec.railroad
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin


	Does anyone know the status of the rumored reopening of the New
Orleans-Jacksonville line or the Fort Worth-Newton, KS line?