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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:14:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <PI.92Nov10203322@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>
>>   A country has been ill for so many years, unless there comes a foreign 
>>   invasion, Chinese people seem don't care of everything!!
>
>I intend to agree with your previous part (deleted), but why does China
>need a foreign invation? By whom? American, or African? Or by Vietnamese?
>
By JA PAPA, and Korean uncles! 

It is interesting that many people in Beijing and Shanghai started to
say: KO NI CHI WA! Or Ko Na Sha Mi Da to anyone who looks like not
local Chinese. Especially to those who hold camcorder on hand, they are
treated as JA Papa (like American Papa).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re:  History of Famous Generals
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:29:04 GMT

In article <101463@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <9210097213.AA72135@ccmail.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:
>
>>          Han2 Xin4 is the one I like.
>
>Han2 Xin4, in some degree like Lin Biao, both military talent, but fool in
>politics. Have you noted both of them physically weak and lack of courage?
>I am not sure whether there is any correlation between these factors.
>
That is my impression too, Han2 Xin4 and Lin2 Biao1 are very much alike,
brilliant generals, but poorly in political struggle & survival, they
both wind up being scarificials pawn on the Emperors' chess board.  

>>          Second guy is Cao Cao the great strategist, and Ru2 Jiang4.
>
>But Cao Cao is beyong of the subject, I think. Some friends mentioned Li
>Guang, but I regarded him as one of the worst generals in history. I would
                                         ^^^^^

well, not the worst, there are just so many horrible generals in our
5000 years history, Li Guang was a good general, but not a great one.  

>suggest anoth Li to replace him, Li Mu of Zhao.
>
Li3 Qing4 of Tang is a great one.  
>
>--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fyu@fyusparc2.us.oracle.com (Francis H. Yu)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle & Editor-in Chief of People's Daily
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:13:19 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <92316.095258PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>> Wow, Dan, the PotatoE Man = President?  This equation sure looks funny!
>
> You think it is funny that Dan be the president of USA. How about someone
> who pronounces Melbourne (a city in Austrilia) as He (black)-er-ben being
> the chief editor of People's Daily?
>
> Peter

The chief editor of People's Daily does not have to be fluent in English.
Isn't China still a Chinese-speaking country, so far?
-- 
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Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: some questions. (re: be a
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:14:02 EST

In article: <1992Nov6.182922.1371@src.umd.edu>
   Subject: Some questions. (Re: Be a respectable Chinese. Zi Zun,
                             Zi Ai>
      From: jsxie@eng.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie) writes:


JX> Don't describe someone else you don't know according to your steorotype
JX> tried to say is not more than 2 things:
JX>
JX> 1.Human right is not related to God,at some point,they are opposite.
JX> 2.I just didn't like what you stated ,"10,000 years later,...are
      forever
JX>   feel funny to look at this kind of statement.It is not better than
JX>   "Mao Zhu3 Xi2 Wan4 Shou4 Wu2 Jiang1".
JX>

Agree with your view.

JX> BTW,human brain is a bio-super-parallel-computer which basicly consists
JX> about 1 trillions neutrons,maybe the most complex thing in this
JX> universe          ^^^^^^^^

Did you mean neurons here?
If it is neurons mentioned here, according to "The Brain" by Richard
Restak published in 1984, the human brain has at least 10 billion
neurons, then in the book "The Incredible Machine" published by National
Geographic in 1986, it says: in human's central nurvous system ---
the brain and spinal cord, there are 50 to 100 billion neurons.
Is there any recent new discoveries? which push the number of neurons to
1000 billion now?

It is true that the neural network computers are modeling the
connections between the neurons of the human brain, yet there is no
computer today which is able to simulate neurons function of
"electrochemical" communications.

Of course, if you truely mean "neutrons", it can still be deemed
possible, that is if we know how many atoms(neutrons) are in a brain
cell.  :-)
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From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: my view about the vote in China and in the US
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:11:53 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

In article <2AFB878D.21935@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>Li Xiaolin can neither be voted in China nor in the US--this is a fact.
>Regardless how much Ma3Pi4 he Pai4-ed to the US society and communities.  
>Well, you Li Xiaolin could not be elected in China, because China does not 
>have the type of democracy you Li Xiaolin wanted.  But it seems that you 
>Li Xiaolin are pretty much satisfied with the US version of democracy, why 
>didn't they elect you as the US president?  That's the first impression about 
>the subject issue.

The above statement should be sent to person's e-mail.  This is
just a suggestion, not an attack.
Please don't be so offensive.

>The second thing I feel necessary to talk is: the US election is full of
>cheating.  Richard Nixon's Water Gate event is familiar to everyone's ear.
>George Bush's "Read My Lips" is familiar to everyone, too.  These facts are
>too superficial.  The real cheating is: the true spirit of capitalism 
>is to make a small amount of people very rich, and since the US absolutely
>hates the communism, obviously, the US government will be focusing on 

Why always bothered with communism and capitalism.  Nothing is 100%
right.  We should try to make things better, not try to be some ...ism.
 
Yes you are right.  The system of the U.S. election is not 
very fair to all the people.  However, compare with the election
in China, it is not as bad as Mr. shannon said.
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tangz@math.concord.wvnet.edu (ZAIYONG TANG)
Subject: Need a Christmas Gift!
Keywords: Xie Hanwen
Organization: Mathematics Department, Concord College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:35:23 GMT

Dear netters:
  On top of my wishlist of the coming Christmas is getting in touch with
my classmate Xie Hanwen (Class 1977, Mechanical Eng. Chongqing Univ.),
who came to the States in 1987 and was in Ohio State Univ.
  Any info on Mr. Xie would be greatly appreciated. Please drop me a
note at one of the following addresses.
        Tang@math.ufl.edu
        TangZ@math.concord.wvnet.edu
        cn330125@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu
        dbsst@ccvax.wvnet.edu

Best regards!

Zaiyong Tang
Division of Business & Economics
Concord College
Athens, WV 24712
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:30:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov9.213046.29547
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <BxGpvu.C68@cs.psu.edu>, echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:

[...]

|> 
|> 	[I don't know exactly how CCP leadership makes decisions.  My
|> impression is that almost all decisions were passed by some kind of
|> procedure, by central committee or politic bureau.  Some person had
|> more influence than others, such as Mao and Deng, who had used their
|> own personal power, legally or illegally (such as military 
|> interference), to influence the result.  But seldomly they make
|> decisions just on their own.  At times, Mao and Deng both had to
|> "go south" to promote their agenda since their proposals could not
|> pass the leadership in Beijing...]
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	 Eddie


Yes. Yes. Most of the bad/horrible things done under the name of CCP are
the decisions of the majority of the CCP leadership. That will make
CCP even worse. I don't think CCP itself will agree with it. Maybe that
is the true face of CCP.


H.J. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29714 talk.politics.china:2501
From: 5546yuj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 03:49:54 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5546yuj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <Bx7Jpu.4Ao@acsu.buffalo.edu>, chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:
>In article <Bx6DyJ.FKD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>>Finally he wins. A democratic President for democracy
>>of the world. Congratulations to Bill.
>
>Grow up! Do let us hope that less stupid remarks will out of this account.

why so harsh?
From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy, Info needed
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:38:15 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Nov12.104634@IASTATE.EDU>, zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng) writes:
> The large companies like IBM generally don't hire foreigners, not because
> you are foreigner(or they are discreminating). It's because that will cause
> them a lot of work and money to make you stay in the States legally. I

This is not true.  Larger companies are indeed the ones that does not have to worry about the cost.  They have inhouse consultants and lawyers to deal with immigration and they do not even have to go outside to hire lawyers to do the paperwork.  On the contrary, smaller companies will have to worry about the cost more.  

As for IBM, used to be that they do not hire foreign students and only interview citizens, permanent residents and refugee status people.  But I bet they could make exceptions for some big shot hot Ph.D.'s still.  

But large companies, IBM and my company included, are doing so badly now that any hiring is hard to come by.

As to IBM not short of good applicants, true maybe, but people are learning (or that they should) that a big company is not necessarily a good company to work for.

Charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)
Subject: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Reply-To: zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:26:57 GMT

I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the fact 
that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this. When
Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept for
his death. My parent wept at home. I don't think this was only to show to 
anybody. 
Is it really because his unselfish that he was loved, revered ? I don't think
this is the only answer. As I know, In the Red Army year, Zhou was head of 
"Te4 Ke1", whose task is to execute traitors and sabotage. Nixon gave some
viewpoint about Zhou in his famous book. One character of Zhou, I think there
will be little doubt, is cunning.
I will appreciate it if anyone can contribute more about Zhou.


In article <92318.111142PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Souce: A series sotory ``The Moments Inside the Red Wall'' on People's Daily
> 
> When Zhou, the former Premier of China, was dying in his bed in the hospital,
> it was extremely difficult for him to talk to somebody. But Jiang Qing, the
> wife of Mao, still went to talk to Zhou frequently about some daily matters.
> Zhou was very happy, very patient to solve Jiang' problems, despite of his
> deteriorating health condition. He was so kind to Jiang that his guards
thought
> that he was such a selfless person.
> 
> One day, Mao criticized the behaviour of the Gang of Four. Hearing this news
> Zhou ordered his guards never to allow Jiang's visit.
> 
> What were Zhou's characters, if any?
> 
> 
> Peter
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From: mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.10NOV199210144187
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov10.134615.3437@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes...
>In article <1992Nov6.163223.1309@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov6.125436.3430@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>>
>>>  Bill Clinton is elected. However, he need to wait for another two
>>>months before he can take the job. Many things could happen during
>>>this two months time. If, say, Mr Clinton unfortunately die in an 
>>>accidence (God bless Bill) during this period, who would be the next
>>>US president ?
>>>
>> 
>> Don't you think your question is so naive ? It will be the vice president
>> to be the new president, so it's Al Gore, not a bad choice.
>> 
>> Yi-Chieh
> 
>Not so fast. Before Clinton taking up that position, the vice president
>is Quayle, not Gore.
> 
 Wow, Dan, the PotatoE Man = President?  This equation sure looks funny!
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:32:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

>In article <PI.92Nov10122857@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>>
>>* Contemporary Chinese people, in general, have been losing their 
>>  morality.
>>
Chinese educated people used to be known as very polite and gentleman like.
After all destruction of Chinese culture due to internal long time struggle
among CCP members, and so largerly influenced the common people, Chinese
people seem don't care to respect the olds, the teachers and those repectable
people. After long time hatrd education, all educated young generation only
know how to blame KMT and Chiang everything was done 40 something years ago,
on the other hand they don't seem to know that each generation of people do
have some responsibility to the society, to the nation, simply don't care.

The recent TV drama series made by CCTV always revel the collapsed society
with its faded away morality, mixing up with frustration that people have 
no way to complain about, no way to chage, no way to improve. Though CCTV
tends to cover up the bad side story, it exposes more day by day.

A country has been ill for so many years, unless there comes a foreign 
invasion, Chinese people seem don't care of everything!!
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:50:36 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <PWU.92Nov12054348@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>    From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
>(my stuff deleted)    
>
>I do not understand how some of our people think about law, order, justice,
>and free press.

It seems I do not understand how you think about these either.

>There is one unspoken assumption in the included exchange, which is if Lu
>Gang's letter had reached the press it would have been published fully.

Where did you find my unspoken assumption? Just curious.

> (lecture based on wrong guess deleted)
>No matter how "reasonable" was Lu Gang's action, he killed several people.

Bad is absolutely bad, no need to understand the reason and meaning of tragedy.
Is that what you mean? Recently I read a message from a relative of an american
victim, she said something like: "After one year, I am still trying to understand
the tragedy, trying to make some sense from it." Immediately after the tragedy,
while we were still trying to "Hua Qing Jie Xian", the two brothers of the lady
victim first expressed their sorrow to Lu Gang's parents, before most of us
thought of that pity old couple. Learn something from american culture, get
rid of concepts  "Zhu Lian 10 Chu" and "Hua Qing Jie Xian".

>The police had a duty to investigate.

For sure, who questioned this?

>The friend/s was/were required by the law to cooperate.
>He/they did what he/they should have done when handing over
>the letters, not what needed an excuse.

Ask our UIOWA friends whether your imagination is true. Or you may review
reports at that time.
--
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who is God
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:57:03 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov12.024420.7561@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>(deletd)
>That's because Chinese have killed more than the total of all the above
>countries have killed in history. So, the less a country has killed, the
>stronger it might be, it is consistent to God's policy, isn't it ?. ki
>
>Yi-Chieh

No wonder Yi-Chieh wants independence:-) Assuming there is a republic CYC,
it has killed no more than 10 people, so the Republic of CYC will be the
strongest country in this world:-) Nice dream, isn't it?

I suggest to modify your theory into:

Killing factor == Killing-other-nationals per capital per year /
                  Killing-among-themselves per capital per year

Then current status of a country is approxiamtely proportional to this
killing factor, China is among the lowest and Japan, Germany the highest.

This modification makes it INDEPENDENT to population and length of history.
But the dynamic variation needs differential equations to be introduced
by Prof. Xiaolin Li.
--
From: yz04+@andrew.cmu.edu (Yuting Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: no  title
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.weyJXkC00iV003RG59
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Just a thought, nothing serious.

   In 1984, I heard: XiaoPing, Ni Hao!  (How are you, XiaoPing)

   In 1992, I heard: Congratulations, Bill!
From: PLANCHAJ@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Tony Planchart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who is God
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:55:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.185524.3786
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <11NOV199200101555@rosie.uh.edu> math1pf@rosie.uh.edu writes:

> Who is God ?
> Was it God made man or man made God?
> If there were God,then why America,the country built on the strong killing 
> the weak,is the most prosperous country,why Japan,whose peole killed thousands
> of thousands of Koreans,Chinese,is the most prosperous country? Why Germany?
> Why England ?
> I want to beleive in God,but I got stuck here.

In order to believe in God you must first break away from the unsubstantiated
notion that Earth's governments are under the control of God.  God is not a
puppet-master who joyfully and flippantly controls the actions of governments,
and consequently cannot be blamed for their actions.  God created people to be
free moral agents, that is with the ability to choose which path they take. 
Therefore, the governments that people form also have this same basic
characteristic.  

Yes, the most prosperous nations have committed horrendous attrocities;
however, so have the most impoverished nations in the world.  As a matter of
fact, no nation on the face of the earth can exempt itself from crimes
committed within or without their borders (personal opinion... not a hard fact,
but just "educated" conjecture).  Those that prosper do so because of the
exploitation of their vast resources (whether that be natural, technological,
economical, or otherwise), not because God has aligned Himself with their
domestic or international policies.

A relationship with God is spiritual and emcompasses you and Him.  It's not
dependent upon which country you live in, what your socio-economic status is,
or whether you are a man or a woman.  It is a wonderful relationship and I hope
that you too will experience it!

Tony
From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:08:13 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <BxBtuq.E46@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
> In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>>
>>I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
>>long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
>>a very worthy article.
>>
>>It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
>>seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
>>
> 
> After going through the report, a questin arose: how did the author know
> what Lu Gang did and thought at given time and place? Maybe the author
> should clarify this.
> 

  I rather regard that 'report' as a fiction, merely for the purpose of
trying to please some readers. 
   Lu's behavious is understandable, but not forgivable.
From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: books on scribbling
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:36:34 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.


When people write chinese characters informally, they have a scribble form that
I would like to learn to write also. Can someone recommend some books that
teach this?

Allan Adler
ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 03:13:26 GMT

In article <4NOV199210564104@utkvx2.utk.edu> xic@utkvx2.utk.edu writes:
>.......
>My question is  what does Goerge Bush think about the demonstration of
>the Chinese Student in USA which is against the Chinese Government.  What
>is called a demonstration against a country.  I know there are some 
>difference between the demonstrations Bill Clinton participated and ours.
>But, somethings were common.  1. The government was wrong. Vietnam war
>was a bitter memory for most of American, and I know your feeling about the
>Beijing government.  2. The safty of the demonstration inside the country
>was not guaranteed.   Nobody will forget TianAnMen Square, and most people
>still remember what happened at the Kent University, Ohio.  
>
>I am not a politician, so that I can not find a good explaination to it.
>I would like to hear your idea.   
>
There is nothing wrong to demonstrate one's opinions against the
government in his own or other countries.  Everyone has his right to
show his opinions, no matter how ridicules his opinions are.  But I want
to ask you several questions:

1)  Did Bill Clinton ask Soviet Union or any country to punish USA ?

2)  Did Bill Clinton ask foreign political force to support him or his
    organisation for practising his ideas in USA ?

3)  Does the Democratic party in USA accept members of non-American
    citizens. 


J Su
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