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From: koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: WAX, or the discovery of television among the bees....
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:04:32 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

Have any plans been announced as to how this feature will be distributed?
Will it be available on videocasette via mail order, for example?

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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: shaun@octel.com's drooling of Maddox
Summary: cybergerbils
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:25:28 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>ho ding <hoding@waffle.sns.com> writes:
>>"  How, son, do you know if maddox is THE 
>>Tom Maddox?  I don't doubt it, but because I'm the illiterate majority...
>	I can't imagine your grounds for paranoia here (failure of imagination
>on my part, no doubt, but there you go).  I take it you believe there is a 
>significant possibility that someone is masquerading as me and using a phony
>line from "Agrippa" as a .signature quote.

No! You are masquerading as the real Tom Maddox, whatever your name really is.
What did you do with the body, you cad?
The line from "Agrippa" is just a clever device to allay suspicion.  Actually,
those were poor Maddox's last words when the foul deed was done.
>
>	Possible, of course, but rather unlikely, I'd think.  I mean, *why*?

For the fame and fortune of being an Internet personality, of course.  How
transparent!
>
>	(The real occult or latent truth behind the whole business, anyway, is
>that all my postings are written on the planet Zlaatar and transmitted to me
>through my tooth fillings; also, my "dog" Franny, an agent of the Zlaataroids, 
>exerts a malevolent control over me that causes me to post these things.  The
>"Agrippa" quote was in fact an instruction to other agents.)

Another feeble attempt to cover your tracks, but it won't work. We all know that
all Zlaateroid agents are cats.

Surrender and Confess!

Matt
Or was that gerbils?

>
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:3893 alt.cult-movies:6883
From: daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:42:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

About finding Giger's works:

     The University Book Store here in Seattle has carried just about
everything from Giger at one time or another. If you give them a call and
ask to talk to the SF/Fantasy book buyer, I'd guess they could probably
order those books for you. Whether or not they'd actually then ship them
to you I don't know.

     You might try any large university-type bookstore in your area.

     I don't have the phone # of the University Book Store handy, but just
call (206) 555-1212 and ask for the number.

     Good luck.

     -Dayne Miller
        daynem@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
Subject: Re: Spell check  was Re: 'Sneakers'...
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:44:28 GMT

In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>In article knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:
>>In article boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce) writes:
>>>
>>>Very interesting, considering that 'Dan Aykroyd' has two y's in it....
>>>Or is this someone other than Elwood Blues?
>>
>>Are you sure about tht spelling of his last name?
>>
>I live in Ottawa, where Dan Aykroyd was raised.  This is the 
>correct spelling of his name.
>
Yeah, I know, I'm following up on my own article.  I screwed up.
The correct spelling of his name is Dan Ackroyd.  What threw me
was that the Ottawa phone book has an entry spelled with a 'y'.

---tom

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:27:14 GMT

In <1992Aug19.104927.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> Dany Drennan writes in part:
>
>I would venture that heirarchies are a male construct. Corporate companies
>headed up by women are more likely to show concentric or "spider web" set ups,
>with one person in the middle, but everyone on the same level, as it were.
>
Oh, give me a break. I would venture to say that you have just changed one 
label ("top") to another ("middle"). The difference being "middle" doesn't
have the same negative connotations as "top". There is still a distinction 
between where the power resides and where it is applied. "top - bottom" has 
just been relabelled "middle - edge". And in a heirarchy there is no 
inside/outside - everyone is in the centre... :-)

If you want to claim a distinction between "male" and "female" strategies
of organisation (and I am prepared to believe there is one), then you 
should perhaps (IMveryveryveryHO:-) be a little more precise.

+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dannie@coplex.com (Dannie Gregoire)
Subject: Re: Books
Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:19:15 GMT

With the discussion of mutli-media books it reminded my of a flyer I saw the
other day for a company called Diverse Media.  It is some mail order bookstore
here in Louisville that addresses itself as "The Multimedia Bookstore".  
Their angle seems to be to carry books in as many formats
as possible -- Paper, Audio, Video, CD-ROM, and ASCII.  I'm going to 
send off for a catalogue.  I'll post if I find anything interessting.

You might want to give them a try, their address is...

Diverse Media
822 E. Broadway #304
Louisville, Ky. 40204
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Summary:  concerns reference to pyramidal power structures
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: like, totally, y'know
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:35:00 GMT

Bill writes:
>... Our society has been organized in pyramidal power structures for 6000 plus 
>years-- it's an ingrained tendency, now...
	Sorry, don't agree, for a number of reasons.  First,  it's true some
hierarchical societies existed roughly 4-6 K years ago, but they were 
exceptions.  The great mass of societies were egalitarian ones at that point.
	I especially disagree with the "ingrained tendency' point.  How does
6000 years (barely a moment in the evolutionary timetable) of stratified states
counteract the million or so years of human existence in egalitarian societies?
I admit hierarchy is a dominant way of organization now, but I believe we
anarchists at least have instinct and evolution on our side.   One of the 
things that attracts me to some cpunk writing is that, sometimes, it mirrors
capitalist society as it is now ( _Count Zero_, "Stone Lives" in the _Mirror-
shades_ anthology) -- cutthroat, mercenary, without regard for human needs 
unless there is money in it.

	Anyway, just felt like costing the net thousands of dollars to set the 
record straight.

BTW (on a completely different tangent),  I always thought the `anarchy'
symbol (circle with an `A' in it, sorta like `@') was pretty stupid:
since when do anarchists need a coporate logo? `Sides, I saw some graffiti
that said the 'A' stood for  "ass" and the circle stood for "hole":  kinda 
ruined it for me.

						dylyn,
			slowly waiting for his last account to die an 
					ignominious death

"Thanks for the American Dream,
	To vulgarize and falisify until the bare lies shine through."
			Wm. S. Burroughs, "A Thanksgiving Prayer"
 dylyn (aka, d prosser) == S7356911@UCSVAX.UCS.umass.edu
From: king@largo.ig.com (Edward J. King)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000,Ono Sendi
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:37:06 GMT


  I think the ONO-SENDAI ad had a ma bell net number with it.  Why not
give them a call and see if they exist?

-- 
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Software Engineer                     700 East El Camino Real
king@presto.ig.com                    Mountain View, Ca. 94040
                                      (415) 962-7337
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (technobabblist, m.d.)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 03:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.205739.3727@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com
(Larry Spence) writes: 
|In article <1992Aug13.014008.11037@uvm.edu> sjc@moose.uvm.edu (Steve
|Cavrak) writes: 
|>
|>[ Mondo 2000: A User's Guide to the New Edge ] is something of
|>an introductory course on Mondo - Mondo 101, if you will. It
|>also includes the "Mondo Shopping Mall," a catalog of products
|>on "the leading edge of the technological and cultural
|>movements" that Mondo 2000, the magazine, reports on. Featured
|>productsinclude everything from virtual reality machines and
|>videotapes to cryogenic suspension labs and intelligence drugs.
|
|Isn't it interesting how M2000 never hypes anything that's free 
|(e.g., self-alteration of consciousness without drugs/electronics)? 
	   		 	    		  			   ^^^^^^
acid is $3-$4 a hit...TOO cheap if you ask me...But, for anything
that's on the "edge" (whether it's new or not) you always have to pay
the big bucks for something that will be outdated in a coupl years...

|>The catalog includes addresses and telephone numbers for readers
|>unable to find these products at their local department store.
|
|Operators are standing by, call before midnight!

Yeah, I haveta agree...Hopefully it will be a lot more general in
terms of trends and corporations to "look out for" and not specific
product information like "BozoBlaster 2500 Memory-Enhancers"....

I do a similar sort of thing, but it's on the net...So, obviously, I
can change it the second a find out about a new company or find out
that someone is no longer operating, you can instantly chage it and
inform those who may be interested...(I'm talking about my
FutureCulture Resource-guide/cyberography thingy-mabobber, BTW)...And
it's free!!!  (as Bruce Sterling pointed out to me one time)....

I have a feeling that much of the Mondo book may be a{sort of
reworking of the Beyond Cyberpunk HyperCard stack in some ways...But,
anyway, no matter how much we criticize it, I'm sure most of us will
buy it anyway (or at least give it a heavy perusal in the bookstore)

|-- 
|Larry Spence
|larry@cs.com
|uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: potekhin@vxcrna.cern.ch (POTEKHINE,MAXI./PPE)
Subject: Re: Garish flashing LED's
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.105830.3628@microsoft.com>, 
petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes...

>As for a VR person, well, if they needed to spend time in VR, fine.  If they
>are doing it to escape from reality, well, then that's not fine.  VR
>should supliment reality (as does TV), instead of replacing it.
> 

Hey, way too often TV seems to be a pretty shitty supplement of reality...
If it wasn't nobody would ever think of CyberSpace... as being a cool place
to be. 
   Besides, the whole idea of VR is its interaction with your own consciousness,
which is (I hope) not fictitious,- not doped, not anything, - why not do VR ?


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From: thx1138@angus.mi.org (Scott Abfalter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: It's not cyberpuunk, nyah nyah
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:12:54 GMT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

Christian Wagner, 

  God, I swore I would avoid these "what is and is not cyberpunk"
  arguments but I really thought that Hardware deserved to be 
  included in the genre. 

  It was near future.  It was gritty.  The characters were street smart.
  
  It was a hell of a lot more cyberpunk than Blade Runner ever was and
  no one seems to dispute that Blade Runner belongs in the genre. (Or
  subgenre or whatever). 


  Actually it is not important whether it is or not --what matters is
  was it a good film.  The answer is (for me) a vauge 'no'.  It was 
  not a BAD film, but not too good either.  And it did have cyberpunk
  trappings which was enought to make me feel happy about spending my
  couple of bucks on it. 

THX

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Books
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.152957.975@cis.umassd.edu> acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>yes, like Phrack.

Is Phrack still writing stuff?  (Been a long time out of the computer
underground for me)  Gee, if they still are, I bet they have GIFs and
movies and sounds plus the ASCII...

>    I am currently working on a black leather 'motorcycle' jacket design that is to be done with ram chips,
>diodes, resistors, capacitors, etc. 

I have seen alot of black baseball caps w. chips and thicks runs of
silver glitter paint between them for sale at cons.

Of course, this does nothing for me...I'm into real circuits!

OK, I've now been inspired to create a serious psychadelic circuit on
one of my black british marine jackets!

-Thomas
 

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: U2
Reply-To: jota@iguana.UUCP (Joao Pedro Martins)
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA, PORTUGAL.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:03:12 GMT

In article <Bt9px4.vw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cmarsigl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Klif Marsiglio) writes:
>I don't think I have heard this band mentioned here, but they are IMHO most
>visable and well known cyberpunk band I have ever seen...
>
>Their music has nothing to do with cyberpunk other than being antimainstream
>sounding, but just look at Zoo TV.  Its a cyberpunk dream bastardizing todays
>technology just for the sake of doing it, and doing it big.
>
	U2 CP ??? Hum... I've listened U2 since their start (almost), and I think
they changed alot in Ahk-toong bey-bi :-) but calling them CP, even that just
in the atitude is maybe a byte :-) too much. As a band, they worry alot with
environmental causes and the such, and this is not CP. They have changed a lot
since R & H, but CP ??? The have just adapted themselves to the actual world
and that implies the "bastardizing todays tech just for the sake of doing it" u
mentioned, but not necessarily CPing.

	Joao

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: present  state of technology
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:03:28 GMT

In article <d!_nfwd.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>My only complaint about virtual reality, is that Nintendo made
>the power glove, and no one has hooked it up to a PC or Mac or
>something common for the masses to experiment with.

Seems like a bunch of people on sci.virtual-worlds and sci.electronics
have.  Ask there for interface info.

-Thomas
From: randolph@cognito.EBay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:07:52 GMT
	<RANDOLPH.92Aug18145314@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM>
	<1992Aug19.104927.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognito.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: drennan@acfcluster.nyu.edu's message of 19 Aug 92 15:49:27 GMT

XIXAX writes:

  I would venture that heirarchies are a male construct. Corporate companies
  headed up by women are more likely to show concentric or "spider web" set ups,
  with one person in the middle, but everyone on the same level, as it were.

I think "distance from the center," as it were, is another kind of
hierarchy -- one ultimately derived from offspring and motherhood.
That, at least, is the pattern of other apes.  I am as dubious of
basing a large-scale human society on that model as I am of basing
human society on the male dominance hierarchy, though the female model
is at least less violent.

I think also that a large-scale human pattern is to shift from
tribalism, to progressively more widespread power structures based on
the male-side model which ultimately collapse through over-expansion,
like Rome, or stablize into large-scale agrarian feudalism, like China
or India.  We are, I believe, well into the over-expansion phase.
Whether we follow either historical model, or, using our technology,
generate new social forms is something we will be deciding over the
next several centuries.  I am quite certain, though, that if we use
ape societies as our model, we will follow one of the traditional
models.

Of course, punks are all for collapse!  :-)  Cyberpunks, on the other
hand, might find something new.

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com
From: megazone@rivdell.UUCP (Megazoner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 05:00:24 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

neufeld@math.lsa.umich.edu (Russell Neufeld ) writes:

> 
> Ender's Game is a fantastic book, but in *no* way is it cyberpunk.  Neither
> is anything Heinlein ever wrote for that matter.  Anyone who says these
> books are doesn't have a clue as to what cyberpunk is.  
> 
> (Let the flames begin . . . )

 No clue? Okay...

 Ender's Game is indeed good sci fi, and not cpunk at all, but Heinlen 
was pre-everything, virtually. During a conversation with a grad student, 
Heinlen told him that he and his wife worked out the times to Pluto and 
back and other various things on a big pad of butcher paper. The grad 
asked why didn't he just put it in a computer, and Heinlen replied "Son, 
this was BEFORE we had computers..."

 How can one write about the Net if nobody has even ENVISIONED it. You 
have to invent the idea first. I'm sure that if the concept of cspace 
existed, Heinlen would have written about it.

 Besides, it's possible to have cyberpunk without the cyber, and cpunk is 
basically a social structure anyway, right? Heinlen was good at writing 
modified social settings...in my opinion, he wrote good stuff for his 
time.

   MI

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.zines
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (wedge)
Subject: bOING bOING mainstream??? :)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:11:20 GMT


Wonder of wonders....I walked into my local Newsland today - (Newsland
being a huge Newsstand carrying just about every large domestic and
foreign publication, as well as a number of the more popular zines and
stuff, and also just about every porno mag one could ever possible
want and not want)...On my way back to the computer magz, I passed by
the section that has Mondo, and right above Mondo was <drum-role>
bOING bOING!  I was pretty much stunned, since I'd never seen it at a
store before, obviously....Also, last time I was there I got a copy of
Mondo 7, and it was the next to the last copy - this time arround they
had about 10 copies of Mondo 7, so they must've sold out the first
shipment or something....And you can find Mondo at every Waldenbooks
across the country now...wow...I'm stunned....

There's no real point to this message...I just felt like I had to tell
the general.net.public about it...:)

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