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From: zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
Subject: Re: Novice Mac Advice Sought
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 00:23:42 EDT

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

> 
> **MacPlus, 2.5 Meg Ram, 45 Meg HD, ImageWriter II, Tons of Software
> including Page Maker, Word, Manuals, Disks and Paper.  $1150/Best Offer
> 
> **MacPlus, 4/140, loaded.  ImageWriter II, modem, ext drive, complete
> $1150/Best
> 
> 

They're both OBSCENE! I've seen Mac SE's with 4/40 for $750. A _PLUS_?!?!?

First, get an SE at the minimum. The prices should be around what was 
listed in those ads, when you include a full system.

Look at misc.forsale.computers

I'm selling a MacPortable for $1400. It has a 2400bps internal modem, 
640x400 B/W active matrix screen (same as PB170), 16MHz 68000 (2x Mac SE 
or Classic), 4 MB RAM, 40MB HD, tons of software, full size keyboard, 
trackball, and it runs for 8 hours on a battery!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Emptying the Trash in System 7
From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:35:36 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
> I have a question... I think it's a system 7 question. When I empty the trash
> in system 7, if there are any icons in between the hard drive icon and the
> trash icon, a "path" is erased between these icons... so that I have to click
> on any icons that were there to "unerase" them... if you understand what I
> am trying to say, what is going on? Is it one of my inits? or is this system
> 7 in general? Thanks in advance...

I know! I know! :) Let me guess, you've got DeskPict installed,
right? The INIT which puts a picture on your desktop instead of
the boring old patterns which you normally have? That's what's
causing the strip of screen to vanish. I have it at home and it
does exactly the same thing. There's no real fix to it, other
than to buy the commercial version (comes with Now Utilities I
believe), which I'm thinking of doing...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Out of Memory Error
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:24:37 GMT

In article <14193@auspex-gw.auspex.com> hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:
>In article <nardy-200892161845@tonkinese.llnl.gov> nardy@llnl.gov (Dominic P. Nardy) writes:
>>I have a Mac IIsi with 17Mb of RAM. Lately I have been getting an error
>>message telling me I am out of memory.  It further tells me to close some
>>windows or exit some applications in order to free up some memory.  I have
>>been getting this error when I have as much as 12.5 MB of memory available.
>> This error has prevented me from trashing items or emptying trash.  
>>
>What's probably going on is that the -program- you are running needs more
>memory to run in. Do a GET INFO on the program and at the bottom, it should
>say something like:
>
>	Suggested size:	900K
>	Actual size:	900K
>
>(or whatever number is there).
>
>So you need to change the Actual Size. Raise it up a little and then see if
>the program will run. If not, give it some more memory. Hopefully, this should
>solve your problem.
>

I have seen a similar warning while using Compact Pro. I believe
what may have caused the problem was that I started it and quit
several times, instead of just sending it to the background. May
have something to do with System 7's not releasing memory correctly,
since I only saw the warning once and only after several times
opening and quitting.

CKC
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Zapping P-RAM under System 7
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:55:13 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <yuan1.714154544@husc9> yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
>A quick question; how do you zap the P-RAM on a IIci under System 7?  I can't
>seem to find the info in the System 7 Reference.
>
>Feel free to e-mail to save bandwidth.  Thanks in advance!
>
A corollary to this question is, what does zapping the PRAMs do? And why 
would you want to do it?

h.
From: broten@alder.sdd.trw.com (Thomas A. Broten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Tuner woes (Disappearing Files)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: broten@alder.sdd.trw.com (Thomas A. Broten)
Organization: TRW Systems Integration Group

In article <23431@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen 
Shapero) writes:
> I have installed System 7 Tuner 1.1.1, but I still have the dissappearing
> icons problem.  It only is happening in my Control Panels folder.  I
> have a Mac II with 32 bit addressing turned off (I have mode32), 8 MB
> RAM and two external HDs.
> 
> Ruing the day I decided that System 7 was the way to go... but it's
> too late now.

The disappearing files and folders problem rarely appears, but it results 
from a bug that has been around awhile. System 7 Tuner 1.1.1 should prevent 
the problem from accurring but will not fix it. Included with System 7 Tuner 
1.1.1 is a Read Me file which describes a detailed procedure for recovering 
from this problem. READ IT.

Two things I'll add to their discussion are:

1. Try Norton Utilities for the Mac 2.0. An engineer working on Norton Utils 
actually talked me through a manual repair of a corrupted directory. Their 
product may repair your disk. If it does, backup the disk and rebuild it 
anyway.

2. The best recovery method is to:

a) If you use a backup program, launch it now.

b) Switch back to the Finder.

c) Bring up the Find... utility (File menu) and select More Choices.

d) In the expanded dialog, search for "name" "doesn't contain" "zzz" and 
check the "all at once" radio button (if your lost files are all under some 
folder, select the folder before bringing up the Find... dialog so you can 
restrict the search to that folder - that folder will be added to the popup 
that usually says "on all disks").

e) Click the Find button and be patient! Your missing icons should reappear.

f) NOW, immediately backup your files. Use the backup program or just copy 
everything on to other disks.

g) Use Apple's or your 3rd Party's disk utility to rebuild your disk.

*** Make sure you are using a recently updated disk utility. System 7 does 
not like old and rotten disk drivers! I like FWB's HDT and LaCie's 
Silverlining because they work for everything. ***

h) Restore your files from backup.

FINI.

-- Tom

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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:41:53 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
> In article <c0wHPB5w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> >Then again, making products obsolete within a year and halving the price in
> >the first six months isn't the way to do it either.
> >
> >I know I moaned about this a week ago, but I'm not the only person fed up
> >with being sold a brand new machine which is in the shops at half the price
> >two months later, and discontinued shortly after that.
> 
> There will *ALWAYS* be *someone* who purchases something, only to
> find out it's discontinued not too long after that purchase unless
> a company puts a product line into production forever.

Yeah, but halving the price of something within six months says to me that
someone overpriced it to start with...

> You buy a 1992 model car this year, maybe the 1993 model will be
> completely different.

Yeah, but if I buy the January 1992 model as it's released I don't expect it
to be half the price in March and no longer shipping to dealers in July.

> Macintoshes are no different than any other product of any type in
> this regard.

Actually, they are.  I came from an Atari background.  Atari generally launch
their new machines at low prices, rather than halving the price after six
months.

> The nicest thing that I can see about the Mac is the fact that,
> even if you're not running the latest, fastest, whizbangingest
> machine, it still runs all the software that both the older *and*
> newer ones do.

Well, almost.  I'm pretty pissed off whenever I download some neat piece of
software only to have it say "This program requires 32-bit QuickDraw".

> Well, everyone complained when Apple didn't keep up with the
> plummeting price/performance ratios of the Intel-based clones.  Now
> that Apple is more or less keeping up (albeit with slightly larger
> margins than the clones), people complain because their machines become
> obsolete so quickly.  You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I don't care if the machines become obsolete, actually.  I expected my
machine to be obsolete within 2 years.  I do care if they plummet in price
before becoming obsolete, however.


mathew
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From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS --> Mac Conversion
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:45:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac
Distribution: comp
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

In article <5472@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, 6500dat@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (David
Tulchinsky) wrote:
> I have been having some problems with converting files
> between IBM ATs with 3.5in drives running dos 3.3 and 
> to a Mac IIci.  It seems that the Mac does not recongnize
> the AT formatted disk.  Is the version of MS-DOS I am running
> current enough??  Would upgrading the ATs to DOS 5.0 correct 
> the problem??
> Note:  In addition we have a PS/2 running OS2 1.2  There is
> no problem swapping files from OS2 DOS to the MAC, but there 
> is a problem swapping files from the ATs to the PS/2 with the
> 3.5in drive.  No proble with the 5.25in drive.

David-

Since you are successful with the PS/2 to Mac transfers, I assume you are
using something like Apple File Exchange or some "DOS Mounter", and that
your Mac has the required high density drive.

Most problems I've encountered, were due to the files from one machine
having different file structures than the other machine's programs can
read.  To be able to convert such files, you need "translators" that are
intended for the specific file types involved.  In the case of Apple File
Exchange, no conversion is necessary for some files, such as ".GIF" graphic
files.  The default binary conversion works for these.  Also, AFE has a
built-in text translator you can select.  However, if you have a WordStar
document on the MS-DOS disk, and you want to use it with MicroSoft Word on
the Mac, a separate translator is needed for direct conversion.

If you don't have the needed translator, check the "Save As" options in the
program of origination.  Some have alternatives to their default format. 
For example, Excel has several, including "SYLK".  An Excel file saved in
the SYLK format, can be transfered to the other disk using the default
(binary) method, and be directly loaded into Excel on the other machine. 
It should be noted that MS-DOS programs usually depend on the suffix of a
filename to determine which format it is in.  An Excel SYLK format file
must have the suffix, ".SLK", to be correctly loaded into MS-DOS Excel.  I
understand it also must be saved with the ".SLK" suffix, to ensure it is in
the correct format.

Does any of this ring a bell?  Be a little more specific about your
problem, and we can zero in on it!

fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:59:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <4603@news.duke.edu> jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead) writes:

>Does anyone know what price range Newton is expected to enter at, and when?

>I'm trying to decide whether to get a $900 PB100 -- if Newton will be
>competitive with this and will be out in the next six months I will
>wait for it, otherwise I'll go for the PB.

Apple's announced plan is to intorduce the Newton at around $700,
then work aggressively to drive that price down.  Whether they
are "competitive" or not is another question.  Newton will be
good at a lot of things the Powerbook isn't, and vice versa.  If
you want a portable for serious word processing or to run spreadsheets,
for example, Newton is not what you're looking for.
From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: How good is Stuffit Lite 3.0?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:22:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Was it ever determined that Stuffit 3.0 Lite's compression was better than
Compact Pro's?

Also, can Stuffit 3.0 Lite decompress Stuffit Classic SEGMENTED archives??

Thanks all!

Jess Holle
From: claudio@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Claudio S. Nascimento;E303)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: MAC LCII BUNDLE IN THE USA? HOW MUCH?
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:55:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Hi,

Here in the UK, Apple is doing a special promotion of a Mac LCII
+ 12" colour monitor for lower than the normal price.

As a student, I can get the educational discount on top of the
promotion, and the price goes to around 2000 dollars (and that
is CHEAP here in the UK !!!!!!).

But it is not cheap enough. I would like to know if there is
any AppleCentre in the USA that sells cheaper than that, I
mean, can give me an educational discount and the promotional
price (if it applies in the USA).

If so, I would consider going to USA to buy the machine. Since
the air ticket costs around 400 dollars, I can spend around
1300 dollars.

So, I am looking for a Mac LCII 4/40 + 12" colour monitor for
around 1300 dollars.

Can you give me the name, address, phone number, and fax number
of a place where I can get such a deal???

Thanks in advance...

Claudio

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From: watson@clark.edu (Dennis Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ List Posting was Mangled
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:44:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Aug20.184445.23624
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

I gave up trying to read the FAQ list.  Is was indeed all fouled up.
watson@clark.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: simonm@mel.dit.csiro.au (Simon McClenahan)
Subject: Re: Gatekeeper slows down startup - the author speaks
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:55:14 GMT


In article <leo.713557915@galaxy>, leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
|> Was really *nobody* else alarmed by the sudden AfterDark startup slowdown?
|> I nearly rebooted the first time it happened 'cause I thought the Mac had
|> hung.

I've got to the stage now where if my Mac runs *slowly* ... it's normal.
I was a bit surprised when After Dark took so long... Carpetbag (a PD prog
like Suitcase) seems to take a long time as well, but that's to be expected
I guess, I don't know...

I've been blaming the slow startup on INITtracker .... but Gatekeeper?

My left Shift key has never been used so much...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Norton 2.0 and AutoDoubler
From: Peter Sweeney <PS9ZRHMC@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 10:40:18 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Hello all.
 
I'd like to buy AutoDoubler.  I own Norton 2.0 and use it.  Lots.
There is a conflist between Notron's FileSaver Control Panel
and AutoDoubler.  I'm not sure of the details, but I think
AutoDoubler creates and deletes many temp files in the background,
which Norton FileSaver dutifully tracks..........
 
Does anyone know the details of this conflict?
Does anyone have a workaround?
 
Any response is welcome.
Peter Sweeney
psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (preferred)
ps9zrhmc@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu (alternate)
From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:39:31 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>The first Newton is being developed jointly by Apple and Sharp.  Both
>companies will probably market it under their respective labels, but
>it will be basically the same machine.

Hardware-wise, yes.  Sharp will also have the same operating system but
will have different application software.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ytam@sciborg.UWaterloo.ca (Ying Tam)
Subject: An Inexpensive, External DOS Floppy Drive for a Mac Plus
Followup-To: yktam@biology.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Summary: Where/How can I find one and hook it up?
Keywords: Mac Plus,DOS,floppy drive,external
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:20:38 GMT
Expires: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:00:00 GMT

I hope that these questions are not FAQs and if they are.....SORRY!
Basically, what I want to do is find an external floppy disk drive for my
Mac Plus which can read/write DOS disks.  Ideally, it would be able to
read both Mac and DOS disk and use both HD and DD disks but if it could
only read DOS disks or use only HD and not DD or vice versa (or any
combination) that would be OK.  

So, my questions are as follows:

1.  Can a Mac Plus be outfitted with such a drive?  I've read a few things
    which say that the ROMs in a Plus don't support a DOS disk drive, but
    these were usually in response to questions about installing an Apple
    FDHD into an Plus.  I have seen a couple of products that are supposed
    to be compatible with the Plus (Applied Engineering's AE+ drive and
    Kennect Technologies Rapport and Drive 2.4(?)) so why would the Plus's
    ROM support these external drives?
2.  Where can I get an inexpensive DOS drive?  Does anyone know of any? 
    The AE+ and Drive 2.4 run about $300+ which kind of steep for a
    which I'm probably going to replace in a year or two anyways with a 
    computer that has a FDHD.
3.  Is it possible to just connect an IBM type external floppy drive to
    Mac?  Someone I know thinks he read a posting from someone who did 
    this but he wasn't sure what type of Mac it was or how it was done.
    If anyone knows if this is possible with a Plus and how it can be 
    done (ie. how to wire the cable, etc) please let me know.

Thanks for any help (please reply by e-mail) to the following address and
if anything interesting shows up, I'll post a summary.  
 
Reply to:  yktam@biology.watstar.uwaterloo.ca

Ying Tam
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:25:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug09.060936.13091@CS.ORST.EDU> pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne) writes:
>[ Much deleted ]
>
>Apple did a good job with the GUI, it was one of the best for a while,
>But they fumbled the ball.  Motif is a better GUI now (true it is for 
>high powered UNIX boxes running X-Win, but it is better) and now for

I hate to enter a religious war, but since I use Macs at home and a
Sun Sparcstation 2 (high powered UNIX boxes running X-Win), I find
this assertion ("Motif is a better GUI now") incredible.

Two main points about Motif are:

(1) It's impossible to make an application crash-proof.  If you wave
the mouse around and click while Motif is still thinking about the
last mouse click, it's gonna crash.  There's nothing your application
can do about this.

(2)  It's impossible to make an application WYSIWYG.  Text entered
into a text widget isn't really there until you hit Return, it just
looks like it's there.  Workarounds are possible only at the cost of
disfiguring your interface.

This is for OSF Motif.  I've observed this behaviour in three major
applications programmed by three different people, as well as in my
own clumsy programming attempts, so it's not just something stupid
that's unique to me.

  --dave

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: How to color a mac II
Keywords: mac II color
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:31:44 GMT

Get Clickchange, from Dubl-Click Software ($59 mailorder?) It
is great! Choose different window styles (although I wish they had
more), all the most bizarre and tasteless color combinations of 
windows, menus, menu text, and highlighting you could desire.
Plus cool animated color cursors and neat sounds (I have Pee Wee
Herman screaming whenever I resize my window; startles the hell
out of me everytime I accidentally drag) Extremely easy to use.
In fact, the only complaint I have is that it won't let you
change the menu bar font (I'm a little sick of Chicago 12),
and that there aren't some fancier window styles available.

CKC
From: bberqu@sagpd1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Summary: Agree
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:50:15 GMT

In article <713019614.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Dan.Hughes@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Hughes) writes:
> This is a really tedious argument. "Macs cost too much,etc." going on 
> for what must be 1,000 messages. If you think Macs cost too much BUY 
> a F***ing Clone for Christ sakes and shut the F*** up.
> 

Ya I agree, and what the F**** are all these pc lovers doing in this news 
group anyways, go back to comp.sys.ibm.

BB
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