From: joseph.daniels%hombas@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Rod: Wouldn't Eng 3/4
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:56:00 GMT
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Reply-To: joseph.daniels%hombas@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 

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thought as to character & Personality of that Material. If  care,
Great  Care is taken in selection of Ship, and officers and  crew
AND  If Careful Indoctrination is taken ALONG with Careful  watch
over articles of apparel Such as rings & Watches & Identification
bracelets & belt buckles, PLUS AND ESPECIALLY the effect of  Hob-
Nailed shoes or Cleated-shoes U.S. Navy issue shoes, I feel  that
some  progress  towards  dissipating  the  fearfilled   ignorance
surrounding  this  project  Will  be  Most  surely  &   certainly
accomplished.  The  Records of the U.S.  Maritime  SERVICE  HOUSE
Norfolk,  Va (for Graduated Seamen of their Schools) Will  reveal
Who was assigned to S.S. Andrew Furuseth for Month of either Late
Sept.  or Oct. 1943. I remember positively of one other  observer
who  stood  beside Me When test were going on. He  was  from  Hew
England, Brown Blond Curly Hair, blue eyes, Don't remember  Name.
I leave it up TO YOU to Decide if further Work shall be put  into
this of Not, and Write this in Hopes there will be.

                                                   Very Sincerely

                                                    Carl M. Allen
.PAUSE
                        Carlos M. Allende
                          RF 1 Box 223
                       New Kensington, Pa.

Dear Mr. Jeesup:

Having just recently gotten home from my long travels around  the
country  I  find that you had dropped me a card. You ask  that  I
write  you  "at  once"  and  So  after  taking  everything   into
consideration, I have decided to do so.

You ask me for what is tantamount to positive proof of  something
that  only the duplication of those devices that  produced  "This
phenomenon"  could ever give you. at least, were I of  scientific
bent, I presume that, were I of Such a Curiosity about something,
the  which  has been produced from a theory  that  was  discarded
(1927)  as  incomplete,  I  am sure that I would  be  of  such  a
dubiousness  that  I would Have to be SHOWN  those  devices  that
produced  such  a  curious interaction of  Forces  &  Fields,  in
operation  &  thier product Mr. Jessup, I  could  NEVER  possibly
satisfy such an attitude. The reason being that I could not,  Nor
ever  would the Navy Research Dept. (Then under the present  boss
of the Navy, Burke) ever let it be known that any such thing  was
ever  allowed to be done. For you see, It was because of  Burke's
Curiosity  &  Willingness & prompting that  this  experiment  was
enabled  to  be carried out. It proved a White-elephant  BUT  His
attitude  towards advanced & ultra-advanced types of research  is
just "THE" THING that put him where he is today. (Or at least, to
be  sure, It carries a great weight). Were the stench of such  an
Experiments results EVER to come out, He would be crucified.

However,  I have noticed, the throo the ages, those who have  had
this  happen  to them, once the vulgar passions that  caused  the
reaction have colled-off AND FURTHER research OPENLY carried  on,
THAT  these crucified ones achieve something akin  to  Sainthood.
You  say that this, "is of the greatest importance".  I  disagree
with  you Mr. Jessup, not just whole Heartedly,  BUT  VEHEMENTLY.
However at the same time, your ideas & your own sort of curiosity
is  that  of mine own sort and besides my disagreement  is  based
upon  philosophical  Morality and not upon that  curiosity  which
Drives Science so rapidly. I can be of some positive help to  you
in  myself  but  to  do so  would  require  a  Hypnotist,  Sodium
Pentathol,  a  tape recorder & an excellent  typist-secretary  in
order to produce material of REAL value to you.
.pa
As you know one who is hypnotized cannot Lie and one who is  both
hypnotized  AND  given "Truth serum" as it  is  colloqually  know
COULD NOT POSSIBLY LIE, AT ALL. To boot, MY MEMORY would be  THUS
enabled  to remember things in such GREAT DETAIL that my  present
consciousness   cannot  recall  at  all,  or  only   barely   and
uncertainly  that  it  would be of far  greater  benifit  to  use
hypnosis.  I  could thus be enabled to NOT ONLY  Recall  COMPLETE
Names,  but  also addresses & telephone numbers AND  perhaps  the
VERY IMPORTANT Z numbers of those sailors whom I sailed with them
or even came into contact with. I could too, being something of a
Dialectician,  be able to thusly talk exactly as these  witnesses
talked  and  imitate or ILLUSTRATE their Mannersims &  HABITS  OF
THOUGHT,  thus  your  psychologists can  figure  IN  ADVANCE  the
Surefire method of dealing Most Successfully with these. I  could
NOT do this with someone with whom I had not observed at length &
these  men, I lived with for about 6 months, so you are bound  to
get  good to excellent results. THE MINDS DOES NOT  EVER  FORGET,
NOT  REALLY, AS YOU KNOW. Upon this I suggest this way  of  doing
this  with  Myself  but further, the Latter usage  of  Myself  in
Mannersim  & Thought pattern illustration is suggested  in  order
that  the  Goal of inducing these Men TO PLACE  THEMSELVES  at  &
under you disposal (HYPNOTICALLY OR UNDER TRUTH SERUM) is a Goal,
the  Which could Have Far greater impact, due to  co-relation  of
Expieriences remembered Hypnotically BY MEN WHO HAVE NOT SEEN  OR
EVEN  WRITTEN  TO EACH OTHER, AT ALL, FOR NEARLY  TEN  YEARS.  In
this, With such Men as Witnesses, giving irrefutable testimony It
is my belief that were Not the Navy, BUT THE AIRFORCE, confronted
with such evidence, (IE Cheif of Research) there would be  either
an  uproar  or a quiet and determined effort  to  achieve  SAFELY
"that which" the Navy failed at. They did NOT fail TO, I hope you
realize, achieve Metalic & organic invisibility nor did they fail
to,  unbesoughtedly, achieve transportation of thousands of  tons
of Metal & Humans at an eyes blink speed. Even though this latter
effect of prolonged experimentation was (to them) The thing  that
caused   them to consider the experiment as a failure, I  BELIEVE
THAT FURTHER EXPERIMENTS WOULD NATURALLY HAVE PRODUCED CONTROLLED
TRANSPORT  OF  GREAT TONNAGES AT ULTRA-FAST SPEEDS TO  A  DESIRED
POINT  THE INSTANT IT IS DESIRED throo usage of an  area  covered
by:  (1)  those cargoes (2) that "Field" that could  cause  those
goods,  Ships or Ship parts (MEN WERE TRANSPORTED AS WELL) TO  GO
TO another Point. Accidentally & to the embarressed perplexity of
the Navy THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO A WHOLE SHIP, CREW & ALL. I
READ OF THIS AND of THE OFF-BASE AWOL ACTIVITIES OF THE  crew-Men
who were AT THE TIME invisible IN A PHILADEPHIA NEWSPAPER.
.pa
UNDER NARCO-HYPNOSIS I CAN BE ENABLED TO DIVULGE THE NAME, DATE &
SECTION  & PAGE NUMBER of that Paper & the other one.  THUS  this
papers  "Morgue"  will divulge EVEN MORE POSITIVE  PROOF  ALREADY
PUBLISHED  of  this  experiment. The name  of  the  REPORTER  who
skeptically   COVERED  &  WROTE  of  these  incidents   (OF   THE
RESTAURANT0BARROOM  RAID WHILE INVISIBLE & OF THE  SHIPS  SUDDENT
AWOL) AND WHO INTERVIEWED the Waitresses CAN THUS BE FOUND,  thus
HIS  and  the Waitresses testimony can be added to  the  Records.
Once  on this track, I beleive That you can uncover  CONSIDERABLY
MORE  evidence  to sustain this ---- (what would you call  it  --
SCANDAL  or  DISCOVERY?)  You  would Need  a  Dale  Carneigie  TO
MANEUVER  THESE  FOLKS into doing just as you wish. It  would  be
cheaper  than paying everyone of all these witnesses & MUCH  MORE
ETHICAL.  The  Ideal Is, to the Layman type  of  person,  utterly
ridiculous. However, can you remember, all by yourself, the  Date
of  a Newspaper in which you saw an interesting item more than  5
years ago? Or recall names of Men, their phone #s that you saw in
1943-44.

I  do hope you will consider this plan. You will Progress as  Not
possible  in any other way. Of course, I realize that  you  would
need a Man Who can cause people to want to have fun, to play with
Hypnotism,  one that can thusly those he-you need to: #1 come  to
His  Demonstration  &  thus call on them to  be  either  or  both
"Honored"  as  Helping  with the show & for  doing  Him  a  Great
favour, &/or being part of the act for the mite of a small fee He
would  HAVE  to  be  a  Man  of  such  an  adroit  ingenuity   at
Manufacturing  a PLAUSABLE STORY  on  the-instant-he-sizes-up-his
PERSONALITY-TO-BE-DEALT with THAT had cost PLENTY. The ability to
convince  people of an outright Lie as being the  absolute  truth
would  be one of his prime prerequisites. (Ahem.) Yes, some  such
skulduggery  would  have  to  be thought well  out  &  done.  THE
ULTIMATE  END WILL BE A TRUTH TOO HUGE, TOO FANTASTIC, TO NOT  BE
TOLD.  A  WELL FOUNDED TRUTH, BACKED UP  BY  UNOBFUSCATIVE  PROOF
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