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From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: * America On-Line vs. Prodigy vs. Genie...which one??
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:11:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Howdy,
	I've been wondering whether or not to join one of those on-line
service things. I had Compu$pend at one point and wasn't too thrilled
with it. Now, a lot of people are talking highly of America On-Line. I
really like the Net and all it has to offer in terms of newsgroups,
files, etc. Is AOL as good? Does it have the same diverse set of
newsgroups? More importantly....how are its rates? I get the New for
free from school, and from my encounter with Compu-Sh*t, I know how bad
'hidden' rates can be. Thanx in advance for any info.

P.S. I put Prodigy in the header as an example. I know it's crap

=============================== Mike Gaines ============================
= WHAT is your name?............................Captain Jean-Luc Picard=
= WHAT is your quest?.............................I seek the Holy Grail=
= WHAT is the average velocity of a Bird of Prey?...Romulan or Klingon?=
=                        I.....I don't know AAAAAHHHHH!                =
========================== meg5184@hertz.njit.edu ======================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:39:10 GMT

In article <cline.711902753@willow.cs.scarolina.edu> cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
>Seems that I've managed to provoke quite a discussion!
>More than I expected in fact. Based on what's been posted and mailed to me,
>there would seem to be support for such a group, just disagreement over what
>to name it.
>
>alt.sys.newton  would seem to be the best place to put such a group.
>
>The main reason I am in favor of an alt instead of a comp group is that it
>is not certain that Newton will be the final name given to it, in fact it's
>probably just an internal project name, much as the Saratoga I'm typing this
>on was. However there are some alternative names that might be worth
>considering, particularly if there is a desire for a comp group NOW.
>
>*.sys.pda
>*.sys.apple.@
>*.sys.handhelds.@
>*.sys.palmtops.@
>*.sys.pen.@
>
>Where * is either alt or comp and @ is either newton or pda.
>
>If we are going to have a comp group now then I would prefer comp.sys.pda
>for the following reasons.
>1) We dont know if newton will be the product's final name and there will be
>future PDA's other than newton, then a group ending in .pda would be a good
>choice for a permanent group. Furthermore, a group ending in .newton would
>be a good choice for a temporary group which is what I envision
>alt.sys.newton to be.
>2) I am against *.sys.apple.@ since none of the other Apple products are there.
>They have their own distinct apple2 and mac heirarchies yet this device is
>certainly going to be a lot more different than the Apple][ and Mac's are.
>3) If we have *.handhelds.@ or *.pen.@ we are making a value judgement that
>one or the other of the Newton's features is its main feature. I would like
>such a group to consider the system in total not just a bit or piece of it.
>4) I feel that *.sys.palmtops.@ is in any case the wrong place for such a
>group. This is not a miniturized microversion of a regular computer.

I'll agree with comp.sys.pda.  Assuming that pda's become the next wave
(which I think is highly likely), we could expand into comp.sys.pda.newton
(assuming the name newton sticks) comp.sys.pda.<other_names>, etc...

As for the comp/alt discussion, I prefer comp, because I believe pda's
will be here to stay...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu (Aravind K. Shenai)
Subject: Reading files without Mac. Header
Originator: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Reply-To: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:49:18 GMT

        
        I have a file that has lost it's Mac header and so my Mac. wont 
recognise it. Is there any way of getting it to read such a file?
-- 
ARAVIND SHENAI                           | Internet : shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
University of Alabama at Birmingham      |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: NASA GSFC Code 534.3
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:35:35 GMT

In article <CKD.92Jul24111236@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> 
> Sang> == Sang J. Moon <smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
> 
>  Sang> You have never rebuilt your desktop in system 7 so you don't know
>  Sang> what you are talking about.  As far as I know, there is no
>  Sang> modifier key you can hold down in System 7 to rebuild the
>  Sang> desktop.
> 
> Funny, I just hold down command-option while booting, and it rebuilds
> the desktop *just fine*.

My mistake.  An extension called Desktop Reset(tm) was installed on my
machine, and I thought it was the source of the ability to reset the
desktop.  However, if you have checked your hard drive with ResEdit, you
should see that your deleted statement about there being no Desktop file
was incorrect.

>  Sang> So far you've given opinions without substance.  Installing software on
>  Sang> a mac can be as much a chore as on a PC.
> 
>  Sang> Example: Symantic Antivirus for the Macintosh
> 
>  Sang> Installing software on a mac can take definitely much more than a few
>  Sang> minutes, and just clicking on the installer is not enough.
> 
>  Sang> Example: Microsoft Word 5.0, Microsoft Excel 4.0, etc.
> 
> Ah, yes, lovely examples, Microsoft software, and a commercial virus
> program.  How long does Disinfectant take to install?  How about
> WriteNow or Nisus?

You conveniently deleted your original statement that my post was in
response to in which you made absolute statements that mac applications
were all point and click installations and the worst case mac application
installation was a few minutes.  I was giving examples to prove the point
that installation takes just as much time and effort for either machines
in general.  You can always find exceptions for specific software, but
installation of software in general takes just about the same time on
either machine.

This in turn is to point out that time "fiddling" with a PC is not really
a cost factor because in the long run it is insignificant, and just as
much time is spent on "fiddling" with the mac albeit not in the exactly
same ways (different machines after all).

> --
> Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
>    ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
>   point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
>          to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155

Sang J. Moon

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
From: byrne@cc.gatech.edu (Michael Byrne)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Keywords: Newton
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:00:45 GMT

Don't call it "alt" anything--some sites can't get alt groups,
and it certainly is a "comp" subject.  How about comp.sys.newton?

============================================================
Mike Byrne                               byrne@cc.gatech.edu
Grad student in Psychology/Cognitive Science
25947 GA Tech Station, Atlanta, GA 30332

----->>>>    "Only the mediocre are always at their best."
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:15:44 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <14847@claris.com> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.150751.12207@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, juha@skynet.oulu.fi (Juha Pirttil{) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 

  [stuff deleted]

>applications, DAs, and control panels so that only the finder is running,
>then press command-option-escape.  Then click force-quit while holding down
>the command and option keys.  This will force the Finder to quit and to
>relaunch itself immediately, and rebuild the desktop upon relaunching.

I find this feature rather useless, since I always have about 5-6
apps running in the background. I think out of about 20 times trying
it, I have succeeded twice, with the computer freezing on my every 
other time. Of course, that's probably because I always forget to
close down the things in the background.

Regarding the stability of System 7- the only real problems
I have had are incompatibility with the driver software (my fault,
it was *real* old) and one folder that fell victim to the disappearing
folder bug. Oh, and when I toss in an INIT that won't behave, but
then I just turf it ... case closed. It's been great since I got
sys 7, soon after it first appeared on the scene; in fact, I have
been running it in 32-bit mode ever since, with no problems.
Although I have 6.0.7 on a small partition (mainly for old games)
I haven't used it in months. I am eagerly waiting for 7.1!

I am a confirmed Mac fan since '84, but I will say that Windows 3.1
(on a Gateway 486/25) is impressively fast, and runs Excel at
least very well, from what I've seen. But I'll still stick with
my Mac any day (IIsi, 17 meg RAM)

CKC
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:32:39 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: mathew@mantis.co.uk's message of 16 Jul 92 11:44:51 GMT

In article <gH7ZNB7w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

   It seems that everyone either wants a minimal cost, minimal
   size, minimal weight machine -- in which case they get a 100 -- or something
   as powerful as possible -- in which case they get a 170.

Unless they want a reasonably powerful machine but *not* the crappy, faulty
Active Matrix screen, in which case they buy a 140, like me.

   The 68030 in the 140 isn't much of a gain, because I wouldn't want to run
   virtual memory and have my hard disk spinning all the time.  And apart from
   that and a slightly larger screen, the 140 doesn't really have anything over
   the 100...  when I tried the two side by side, it wasn't really noticably
   faster.

The 140 is more solid physically, the bigger screen size is nice, the trackball
is better mechanically, it has two serial ports and Colour QD support. What it
also has is the bl**dy serial port hardware bug which doesn't seem to affect
the '100.

Nick.

P.S. I like the top 10 ripoffs. I'll check the music software rags and get back
to you. I think I can find products which are (i) cripped and (ii) have a
200% markup, which would be a No. 1. chart entry, I think.
--
  Nick Rothwell, LFCS, Edinburgh | "Say, how many contemporary dancers are
               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: Quicktime
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:02:55 GMT

I would like to use Quicktime on my Mac IIx with System 6.0.7.  What do
I need?  Is this QT extension public domain software or do I have to 
purchase it?  If PD, where do I find it?  Any help would be appreciated
by email.

Thanks,
    Scott
******************************************************
Scott C. Walker
walkersc@esvax.dnet.dupont.com

+++The few opinions I express are not the opinions of my employer.
"What's settled down?  Settled down is you get married and then you buy a
house.  You can get a wood house, a plaster house or a stucco house.  
Oh, how you can get stucco!"  - David Lee Roth, on Rockline
******************************************************
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: How to increase transfer speed in Kermit
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Download ZTERM.  It works much better without having to screw around
too much.  I download at 98%-99% all the time.

______________________________________________________________________________
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From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:52:38 GMT
 <1992Jul15.115921.14033@msc.cornell.edu> <ajross.711328520@husc9>
 <5794.2a6ac834@hayes.com> <92203.173612ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>
 <5805.2a6d64c8@hayes.com> <92205.170150ASI509@DJUKFA11.BIT
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich


In article <ewright.711927679@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V.
Wright) says:
>
>
>I have a program that runs faster on my Mac IIsi than it does on a
>Convex supercomputer.  Of course, it's been optimized for the Mac
>and hasn't been optimized for the Convex.  But it proves my point
>anyway: The PC is faster than the Mac, which is faster than the
>Convex, right? :-)
>
And since speed doesn`t mean that much to Mac users as I always read in this
group, I bet you run it on the Convex :-)

>Of course, you're comparing a top-of-the-line PC (33MHz 386)
                                                         486 :-)
>against the bottom-of-the-line Mac II.  Fair comparison!  Since
>the 68040-based Quadra can be up to ten times faster than the
>68030-based Macs for floating-point operations, it could quite
>likely blow the drive doors off your 486.  Why don't you pick
>on a machine your own size?
>
Because I read the subject of this thread "Macs COST too much". Of course I
could compare a VW Rabbit to a Corvette to proof that american cars are better
than german.

>>There are other simulation runs that would take about 2 years to complete.
>>If youve have that infinitely fast DOS machine we wouldn`t need our CRAY.
>
>Why do you need a Cray?  The PC is much faster.  If you like,
>I'll write a program to prove it. :-)

Thanks a lot but we don`t have that CRAY any longer. After reading your post
our supercomputer guys rushed out and traded the CRAY for 2 Power Books and
an LC. :-)
>
>>Yes it`s fine! My boss has to pay me at work. So for him the Mac
>>is the better deal. At home nobody pays me but I have to pay the
>>computer. So for me the 386 is the better deal. Were is the problem?
>
>So the fact that aren't being paid means your personal time is
>worthless?  Interesting perspective.

No it just means I can`t afford a mac with the power of my PC.

> Is that why Germans get
>four week vacations -- so that they have time to play with their
>CONFIG.SYS? :-)

Most get six weeks (I get three) so they can spend the money for holiday which
they saved by buying PCs instead of Macs. :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: edd701ssft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Two questions about colour
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:31:18 GMT



Question 1 :

Is there an application that will enable me to save colour pictures
(eg gif, tiff, jpeg, bmp) as colour startup screens ? 

Question 2 :

Is there an application that will enable me to change my boring background
desktop to a colour picture ?


If you know the answer to one or both of those questions I would greatly
appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me!

Vincent,

Monash University,
Australia.

Internet Address : edd701ssft@vx24.cc.monash.edu
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:43:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In <92211.150235ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:

>on a 33MHz 386 (NOT 486 that will  be another factor 2 to 2.5). The results:
 
>                  Mac IIsi             386
>Dhrystones/s      5600                17400

Just ran Speedometer 3.06 and got a Dhrystones/s of 3978.779 on *my* IIsi,
but then again I got an FPU 8).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: robt@agsm.unsw.oz.au (Rob Trevor)
Subject: Re: ACS FTP demo
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:37:54 GMT

In article <c-zxa9_@rpi.edu>, mackd@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Mack) wrote:
> 
> 
>    Has anyone seen the FTP demo at sumex.  This demo allows a Mac
> to become a FTP site with up to 20 clients at a time, different
> access levels, etc.
>    Well, recently I picked it up to take a look at and I found that
> the demo is perfectly intact save that it will only run for 8min
> then you have to restart the computer.  They also added that if 
> wanted to try it out for extended periods they you send you one
> tat was active for 15-30days.  I would really like to try this
> out, but since the company is located in France I wanted to see
> if anyone has seen or has the 15-30 demo version.
> 
> 		-Mack

Better than that - I have the real thing!  (I also sent the demo to the
archives.)  It has been running flawlessly since I installed it (June 6) -
and I run a lot of extensions, etc.  I heartily recommend it.

Rob


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From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PowerBook monitor adaptors on Classic?
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:00:43 GMT

OK, here I am, one more hopeful, looking to squeeze colour out of a Classic...

I remember reading something about powerbook video cards being compatible with
the Classic (I think it was in MacUser, but don't quote me-I'd hate to find out
I'm wrong and have misled many others).  I know there are colour cards for the
PowerBook 100 (the PB version of the Classic, I guess).  What I wanna know is
can they be used with a Classic (yes, Classic, not C II)???  I suppose it'd be
cheaper for me to go ahead and sell the Classic and buy an LC II, but hey...my
Classic is a good machine.  Why go through all that hassle?  Anyway, any advice
would be greatly appreciated.  If this method of getting colour is not viable,
how about these SCSI colour things, like SCSIGraph?

Just sign me,

Desparately seeking colour...8^)
Bruce
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Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: usdta004@mmm.serc.3m.com (Timothy S. Shea)
Subject: Re: Is DEC history???
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:14:59 GMT

From article <lkingsley-240792091844@lkingsley.crd.ge.com>, by lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley):
> Howdy all.
> 
> DEC announced yesterday they had a loss of 1.8 BILLION dollars!!! Yeah,
> that's BILLION with a 'B'. Now to IBM, that may not be the end of the
> world, but how long is DEC going to survive with losses like that?
> 
> They finally convinced Ken Olsen to step aside ("PC's? Who needs PCs??"),
> but is the damage already done?
>

The majority of that loss is a one time charge for cutting costs and
employees...  DEC will be around for a while yet...


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From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:16:41 GMT
 <92205.170150ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> <14833@claris.com>
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <14833@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) says:
>
>In article <92205.170150ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>, ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
>writes:
>
>> >> I let my boss buy me an IIsi for office and bought myself a 386 for home.
>> >
>> >That statement alone reveals much about your character....
>> >
>> Yes it`s fine! My boss has to pay me at work. So for him the Mac is the     r
>bette
>> deal. At home nobody pays me but I have to pay the computer. So for me the
>> 386 is the better deal. Were is the problem?
>
>IOW, your time is valuable to your boss, but not worth much to you, right?

I don`t employ a butler, so I have to clean my shoes myself. Perhaps I`m doing
something wrong ?

Michael Bode.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jdb1@kepler.unh.edu (Jonathan D Baumgartner)
Subject: Re: Quicktime Movies Compression
Keywords: MAC
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:34:44 GMT

In <thacker.43.712531252@cc1.unt.edu> thacker@cc1.unt.edu (Mark D. Thacker x2568) writes:

>Quicktime USES the JPEG compression algorithm.  I have tried compressing QT 
>movies before and its a silly exercise because they are already compressed.

If they're already compressed, how come all the movies I've downloaded 
have been compressed as Compact Pro or StuffIt files?    IF it doesn't
do any good, why bother?


-- 
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			  "I laughed 'til I stopped."  -- Tiny Toons Adventures

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle)
Subject: Re: SLIP for Mac
Keywords: slip, tcpip, telnet, ncsa
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:11:23 GMT

>In article <CKD.92Jul22143144@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> Douglas> == Douglas Rand <drand@spinner.osf.org> 
> 
>  Douglas> Is there a SLIP implementation that works with Mac TCP?
> 
> Yes, there are several; Synergy, InterCon, and TriSoft all have them.
> 
>  Douglas> Now for the second part, is there a free or shareware implementation?
> 
> Nope; TriSoft's is $50, though, and apparently well worth it.  (I got
> Synergy's, because I wanted VersaTerm; $90, including a great term
> program, an ftp server cdev, and other goodies.)  I think InterCon's
> will be about $50, also, and Synergy's supposed to be unbundling theirs...
> --

Has anyone received VersaTerm's SLIP through the upgrade program? I've
been (patiently) waiting for about 8 weeks. They keep telling me that
"it should ship shortly." Maybe this week (fingers crossed)...

Jack Brindle
ham radio: wa4fib
internet: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com

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