HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: detlef@dmhh.hanse.de (Detlef Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Large Strings
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:22:59 GMT
Organization: Who is Organized ?

d89-bga@nada.kth.se writes in article <1992Aug30.205351.2269@kth.se>:
> 
> Hi!
> Is there a way to add a small string to a very large one ?
> 
> When I have a string (or any object of any kind) and adds to it the system
> makes copies of the two parts and performs the task on the copies.
> 
> Ie if I have a string of size 15000 bytes and wants to add 20 more bytes 
> the hp48 runs out of memory. (I have approx 5000 bytes of free memory)
> (The objects are only on stack and not stored)
> 
> Is there a way to bypass the system and just add without having the hp48 
> making copies first?

The sys-RPL word !append$ will do it. #62376h SYSEVAL - be shure you have
strings in stack levels 1&2.

> Thanks in advance......

Bye,
	8-Detlef
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|`What a depressingly stupid machine'|             Detlef Mueller           |
| -- Marvin                          |          detlef@dmhh.hanse.de        |
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From: akcs.mage@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (William H. Blohm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: 1.3" 20Meg drive from HP
Keywords: hard drive
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:40:03 GMT

I know that there was a demo of the Kittyhawk and in it they put it in
the back window of a RC car, running, and sent the car racing across the 
room slamming into walls, chairs, etc. and the Kittyhawk worked just
fine.  Sort of like the old Timex commercials were supposed to do.
From: detlef@dmhh.hanse.de (Detlef Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Memory block hole, HELP!
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:03:17 GMT
Organization: Who is Organized ?

I hope, it's not too late...

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>From: "Detlef Mueller" <detlef@dmhh.hanse.de>
Message-Id: <2a9b6a14.dmhh@dmhh.hanse.de>
Reply-To: "Detlef Mueller" <detlef@dmhh.hanse.de>
To: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com
Subject:   Re: Memory block hole, HELP! 

Hi Joe,

In article <1992Aug25.202202.26239@ryn.mro4.dec.com> you write:

> Help!
> 
> I tried to install the ANT game library that I've had sitting in a 
> directory for the past year or so, and it has apparently become
> corrupt.  

I guess, you did install it into port 0 ?

> When I power cycle the machine, all my installed libraries vanished,
> but I don't get back the memory.
> 
> I tried this a few times before I realized that my memory was
> quickly being sucked into a black hole.  Does anyone
> know how to remedy this situation short of doing a full
> backup/restore?
> 
> I tried ON-C, but it didn't get my memory back.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> >>>Joe

I had this effect some time ago once, but I 'recovered' the memory by using
[ON]-[A]-[F] [NO]...

Normally #70597 points to the length field of the 1st library installed
in port 0. During warmstarts this value is used as the base for traversing
all installed libs; the routine recognizing libs stops when reaching a
00000 length field. On your 48 #70597 seems to point to such a null field,
the only way to get the memory back is to examine the structure around
the address hold in #70597 very closely and patching some reasonable value
into the null field :-(.

Good luck,
	8-Detlef
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|`What a depressingly stupid machine'|             Detlef Mueller           |
| -- Marvin                          |          detlef@dmhh.hanse.de        |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: hauer@beggs.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer)
Subject: HP 48 card for Apple's Newton??
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:28:13 GMT

No, I haven't heard this was even an idea on a HP flipchart -- but wouldn't
it be cool?  If HP could put the functionality of a 48 on a PCMIA2.0 card
and pipe the Newton pen interface to it, I think we would have an incredible
calculator/organizer.  The power of the Acorn RISC chip would allow the card
to emulate the HP processor while maintaining full speed or better than a 48.

HP'ers - any comments, thoughts?

-Corey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: Martin.Kunze@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Martin Kunze)
Subject: RAMCARDS FOR SELL 128 KB
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:52:50 GMT

Here is a REPOST.
We ( Jens Kayser & Martin Kunze ) sell from now on 128 KB RAMCARDS for
the HP 48 sx .
They have:
	 - they are painted so that you can touch them
	 - thy are as fast as the HP cards
	 - they have a write protect switch
	 - you can use them as lib. or merged ram
	 - the cards have a changeable battery
	 - if the battery is empty your hp will tell you that you have to change
 it
	 - you can use the card and a HP or other card with it
	 - you can have two cards of 128 KB in one HP

AND HERE IS THE PRICE 130 DM + p+p or 140 DM by sending us a cheque.
If you send us a cheque we will send you a card wether we got the money.
For ppl. out of europe 130 DM is approx 80$.
We will send you a card in approx 14 days after giveing the order.
For ppl out of Europe we will send it with UPS if you want it.
Thats it...

Comming soon 512 KB RAMCARDS FOR THE HP $* SX .
The price will be in the near of 600 DM ...
The price of one chip is 490 DM at the moment
But if we can we will reduce the price as soon as possible.
We think that the first examples will be avallible inn the end of JULY.
So give us a repost if you are intrested in that stuff.

regards  MARTIN KUNSE & JENS KAYSER

Martin Kunze         Jens Kayser
An den Vossbergen 3  Wolfsweg 25
2099 Oldenburg       2906 Hundsmuehlen
0441-42216           0441-504138
04421-32657

Volksbank Oldenburg
Bklz: 28090045
Ktnr: 158135

Thats it.  Martin Kunze & Jens Kayser

Special thanks to Frank Uwe Andersen for helping us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: eha@postman.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord)
Subject: HP48sx in the states, how much?
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:50:15 GMT

What is the street price in US$ of:
	- HP48sx
	- connectivity pack
	- Business/Financial card

If you have any mailordering addresses please let me know.

Ernst Sandjord
eha@sneik.hsn.no
From: claudio@amsoft.net.ch (Claudio Nieder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re:  1.3" 20Meg drive from HP
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:09:31 MET
Organization: AMSoft

In article <1992Aug24.144849.17518@uceng.UC.EDU> rabagley@uceng.UC.EDU (Ross A Bagley) writes:
>
>I wouldn't drop it, or really call it any more shock resistant than any other

This is from "Electronics World + Wireless World" August 1992, page 622:

"HP is highlighting the built-in shock-sensing chip-based technology analogous
"to the air-bag crash systems being fitted to modern cars. The chip can sense a
"fall and brace the drive for the shock before it happens: it will survive a 1_m
"drop on to concrete.

				claudio

--

           claudio (Claudio Nieder, Kanalweg 1, CH-8610 Uster)
E-Mail: claudio@chuug.ch, claudio@amsoft.net.ch, K538912@CZHRZU1A.EARN
(*************** Computer: The best toy ever invented ***************)
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:44:17 GMT
Subject: Re: External input to HP48 (question)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

> Hi Ray-
> 
> Thanks for the review.  I was hoping you would supply some of the more
> interesting specs like maximum sample rate, conversion time, and
> sample & hold specifics (impedance, sample time, anti-aliasing
> filters, etc.).  Perhaps these specs are not available in the manual
> (if they aren't they should be!).
>
>    <name deleted>

Can do.  From the manual, here is the "Specifications" section, followed
by other miscellaneous stuff culled from the pages:

============================================================================
SPECIFICATIONS

Analog Inputs
-------------
Input Configuration:		MOSFET Input Op-Amp Follower

Input Impedance:		1 Megohm for Vin from -.6 to 5.7 volts,
				otherwise 100K ohms

Input Range:			0 to 5.1 volts (0 to 255), 30V maximum

Resolution/Accuracy:		8 bits, 0.4% accuracy +/- .5 LSB

Digital Inputs
--------------
Input Configuration:		74HCT Schmidt Trigger with 100K pullup

Logic High Level:		TTL/CMOS compatible; 2.0 volts minimum

Logic Low Level:		TTL/CMOS compatible; 0.8 volts maximum

Input Current High:		0 uA maximum (floating inputs are high)

Input Current Low:		50 uA (100K pullup)

Maximum Input level:		30 VDC maximum

Digital Outputs
---------------
Output Configuration:		Open drain MOSFET to common

Output Resistance:		1 ohm maximum

Output current:			.5 amps continuous maximum

Output Voltage:			30 volts maximum in off state
				.5 volts maximum in on state

Power
-----
Battery Type:			9V, NEDA 1604 (alkaline) [normal 9V thing - rrd]

Battery Life:			60 hours minimum, continuous operation
				2000 hours typical in standby

Current Drain:			6 mA maximum, .25 mA standby (PWM active)

Physical/Environmental
----------------------
Size:				3-1/4" width by 4-3/8" length by 1-1/2" height

Weight:				6 ounces

Connectors:			Augat RDI 2SV Series-  Lever Action- 
				Wire sizes- #18 to #28 AWG

Temperature Range:		0 to 55 degrees C (32 to 130 degrees F)

============================================================================
MISCELLANEOUS OTHER INFORMATION

Counter/Frequency Input
-----------------------
Maximum Frequency:		100 KHz max

Maximum Count:			16,777,216 (24-bit counter)

Sample Rate:			1 second (fixed)

PWM Output
----------
Frequency:			903.53 Hz

Duty Cycle Range:		0 to 100%

Duty Cycle Resolution:		0.4% or 1/255 (8-bit modulator)

Burst mode analog input
-----------------------
Sample rate:			131 analog samples at .01 seconds per sample

[No data given on normal mode analog input, but I suspect that it also has
a S&H rate of 0.01 second. -- rrd]

======================================================================


--
Regards
Ray Depew
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mcgrant@rascals.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant)
Subject: Re: HP 48 card for Apple's Newton?? 
Organization: Information Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<D89MARHO.92Aug25195137@odal8.curofix>
	<1992Aug26.093556.6972@news.uni-stuttgart.de>
	<1992Aug27.211036.9227@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:26:42

In article <1992Aug27.211036.9227@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes:

   In article <1992Aug26.093556.6972@news.uni-stuttgart.de>,
   TOBIAS@bonnie.physik.uni-stuttgart.de () writes:

   |>Ridiculus to use a mashine with the speed of approx. 300% of a
   |>40 MHz 68030 to run the 48 code on it. 
   |>With that power it should be no problem (although there might be
   |>a memory problem) to write a something like maple.

   3 times as fast as a 40MHz 68030?  ...and it runs on batteries?
   Um...call me skeptical, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Well, I HAD heard that it was faster than the Mac IIfx but I had not
heard the 300% figure before. 

Part of the power savings lies in their use of 3-volt logic.

Mike
From: akcs.rsanders@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Robert Sanders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: memory map & System RPL CREATETEMP
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:40:02 GMT

I've been working my way up from the many scattered (but informative!)
tidbits about ML programming on the '48, but I don't really feel
comfortable about what I'm doing unless I REALLY understand it. My main
concerns now are about memory allocation using CREATETEMP.

1) I have a program that calls CREATETEMP.  I understand that if
CREATETEMP returns with carry set, an allocation error has occurred. I
then call GARBAGECOL (at #613e) and re-CREATETEMP.  However, I don't
think I'm doing this correctly, as my program ( a string reverser, what
else?) will work once (in low memory conditions) then corrupt the string.
I'm obviously not interpreting GARBAGECOL's exit conditions correctly,
but I can't get much information from EXPAND (PMC at #61c1c), and my
disassembly of GARBAGECOL might take a while.  Has anyone done this
already so that I can save a little time and study for finals? :)

2) CREATETEMP moves the heap into the free space between what was the
heap and the RPL stack.  However, I don't think I really understand what
the memory areas referenced by the entries4 names RETTOP (saved B @
#70574) and TEMPTOP (ptr @ #7056F) are (er, sorry for that weak
sentence).  Does anyone have an informative memory map?  
 
3) Can anyone upload Goodies Disk #7 to seq.uncwil.edu?

Howlin' Bob
gt5379b@hydra.gatech.edu     ; borrowed account
gt8134b@hydra.gatech.edu     ; after Sep 23
and maybe pshuprs@hydra.gatech.edu if I get the job
From: akcs.mage@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (William H. Blohm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Wanted: Remote Control
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:40:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2aa79684.1652.1comp.sys.hp48.1

Please post where as I am also interested.  I saw it once and could
not make it work so dumped it as I thought it was bad.  When I looked
for a replacement I couldn't find anything other than references to a
"new and more compact" version but no reference to WHERE!  As added
incentive to posting where it is (ftpable, please), I want to be able
to override my mom-in-law's remote control when we visit!  ;^)
From: akcs.mmorgan@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Mike Morgan)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:40:01 GMT
Subject: Electrical engineering students--read th
Message-ID: <2a9b0c30.1616comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: rlc form function finder comp.sys.hp48 electrical engineering circuit

Hello,
 
        Re:  Electrical engineers read this...
 
        I have posted the program, RLC Form and Function Finder, with
comp.sources.hp48.  You may obtain a copy via ftp at seq.uncwil.edu.
 
        If you are a junior or senior majoring in electrical engineering,
please download the program and distribute it to your under-classman.
 
        The program is useful to students taking an introductory course
in circuit analysis.
 
        Thank you.
 
Mike Morgan
 
Any questions or comments?
Email me at M00012@KANGA.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: giggey@ecf.toronto.edu (GIGGEY Mike S)
Subject: Re: IR Remote Control Program
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:25:11 GMT

In article <9208241530.AA04228@itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx> a20966@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX (Hijar Soltero Jose Trinidad) writes:
>
>
>        I recently saw the IR program for the 48sx to use it as a
>Remote Control, and I  would like to have it. Could anyone out there
>mail me a copy of the complete program, please ?
>
>      Tanx in advanced.
>
>      my email adress:
>
>             A20966@ITESOCCI.GDL.ITESO.MX  <---- Internet
>             A20966@ITESO              <-------- Bitnet
>
>     Joe.

I would like to firstly appologize for my strictly amature experience with UNIX. I have the programme that you seek. I will post it on my system that is located at my Home. (Universal Exports BBS : (Canada) (416) 233-1857) The system is capable of up to 9600 baud. 1 stop, no parity, up to MNP level 5 comprression is available. 7 or 8 data is OK. I will have it posted for about a month. 

If I COULD reliably post it to you - I would. However, I have had very bad experience on our system here on an international level. Coupled with my complete inexperience of posting a file to someone........well. I hope that this file can reach you. 

				Mike
From: akcs.ejf@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (edward joseph fasula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: ROM Output Routine
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:40:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2aa4d1d8.1645comp.sys.hp48

I managed to download my TDS Structures ROM card to one of the four banks
in my RAM card and it has been doing great.  My question is; can I
somehow make a change so that I may now have the option to download my
data to a file, rather than I/O??  (Be brave)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Subject: Memory block hole, HELP!
Reply-To: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:22:02 GMT


Help!

I tried to install the ANT game library that I've had sitting in a 
directory for the past year or so, and it has apparently become
corrupt.  

When I power cycle the machine, all my installed libraries vanished,
but I don't get back the memory.

I tried this a few times before I realized that my memory was
quickly being sucked into a black hole.  Does anyone
know how to remedy this situation short of doing a full
backup/restore?

I tried ON-C, but it didn't get my memory back.

Any ideas?

>>>Joe
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Memory block hole, HELP!
Message-ID: <2a9d1991.1617.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Joe,

I had similar symptoms when a library crashed.  I found that doing a
ON-A-F and YES, that most of the libraries were recovered.  As I recall,
the library that crashed was nowhere to be found, however.

Hope this helps,

Bill Levenson
From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: External input to HP48 (question)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:48:56 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM for handheld computers.

smithsh@sumax.seattleu.edu (Scott) writes:

> 
> Has anyone experimented with utilizing the hp48 as a collection instrument
> to gather data in the field, store the data to a ram card, and then
> download that data to a larger computer. Specifically, an application
> where the hp would read data from an external sensor (e.g. thermometer,
> light sensor, pressure transducer, etc.) and save the data for later
> analysis. If so, any assistance or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> 

After using the HP71 with its unbeatable HPIL for a couple of years, it
is very difficult to accept that transferring 10K of data may take 1 minute.

The reason because there are no serious industrial applications around, is 
that the serial interface is yes very common, but it is also the slowest
interface ever designed (sorry for the designer).

Compared to the HPIL is like a turtle running versus Carl Lewis.
Unfortunatley for the turtle, Achille's paradox does not work really.

Unfortunately for us the HPIL was not well accepted by the market, because
it's well known that the market is crazy (see the instructive history of 
the IBM PC), hence it happens that, after ten years of progress, we are still
playing with serial interfaces (because they are cheaper).

We run the risk to bring the serial interface well beyond its natural lifetime,
which expired several years ago, just because it costs one instead of ten.
(No matter if it is twenty times slower...)

Paraphrasing Oscar Wilde, we may say that the electronics is the archive
of forgotten inventions.

Bye

__
* flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
* +59 440404 (Voice)
* +59 304490 (Fax)
From: bson@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Memory block hole, HELP!
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:32:56 GMT
Organization: nil

In article <1992Aug25.202202.26239@ryn.mro4.dec.com> ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes:

 > When I power cycle the machine, all my installed libraries vanished,
 > but I don't get back the memory.

Try ON-A-F, then "yes."

--
						-- Jan Brittenson
						   bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: PCX -> GROB conversion
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:52:02 MET
Summary: PCX -> GROB conversion
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland


Hello everybody,
I'm looking for a program (IBM PC) to convert graphics from PCX, TIFF or 
others to the HP48-GROB-Format.
With such a programm I could scan pictures on the PC and use them in HP48
programs.
Who can help me?

Thanks very much

Nico
From: cipriani@viking.gatech.edu (Jerome B. Cipriani)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: calculating resistence
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:01:53 GMT
Organization: USGS Center for Spatial Data Analysis Technologies, Atlanta, GA
Originator: cipriani@viking


>About a year or so ago someone posted a program that figured out the
>resistance of a resistor given the color codes on that resistor.  I have
>the program and it seems to be working, but I lost the docs and can't
>figure out how to make it work.  Could the author please post directions? 
>Thanks in advance.

>Jas

I believe that the entire program and documentation you need can found
at seq.uncwil.edu in the /hp48/misc directory.  It is named paral.Z

Jerry
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 09:55:41 +0200
From: Wolfram_Sauerteig@hippo.fido.de (Wolfram Sauerteig)
Subject: Re: rubber feet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
X-Comment-To: marzari@sissa.it (Marzari)
Organization: SauerSoft 

Hello marzari, You wrote to All with subject "rubber feet" :

m >
m > I have lost one of the four rubber feets of the hp48 (the one that covers
m > the reset hole). Does anyone know how could I replace it ?
m >
Did You ask HP?

bye
    Wolfram

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: marzari@sissa.it
Subject: rubber feet
Organization: Intnl School for Adv Studies
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:59:37 GMT



I have lost one of the four rubber feets of the hp48 (the one that covers
the reset hole). Does anyone know how could I replace it ?


Many thanks in advance


			nicola marzari

e-mail: marzari@sissa.it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: alo@kampi.hut.fi (Antti Louko)
Subject: Re: HP41 -- Un-Privatizing programs
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:29:37 GMT

In article <pha.22@Mikrolog.FI> pha@Mikrolog.FI (Pentti Haka) writes:
>Any HP41 gurus in this group? It was the closest one I could find to my 
>subject!!
>
>I have an old surveying program (1984?) for the HP41, and it seems that 
>no-one supports it any longer; I would like to make some changes to it 
>though, which would enhance it's usability.
>
>The program is protected, and cannot be listed/modified.
>
>The question is: is there a simple way to remove the "private" status of a 
>HP41 program?

This trick is so simple that I'll post it here.

GTO ..
Load yor private program into HP-41.
GTO ..
PRGM
CAT 1. Then press immediately R/S.
Press SST until you
see .END. REG NNN
XEQ ALPHA D E L ALPHA 0 0 1.
Press <--
GTO .001
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48