HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Re: Was:Has MC5...Now Lester Bangs
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Keywords: Bruce Sterling
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:36:16 GMT

And while we're (in two different newsgroups) on the Subjects of Lester Bangs
and Alternate hsitories, folks on both side of the fence would be well advised
to pick up the latest story collection from Mark V. Ziesing by cyberpunk Bruce
Sterling.  Not only is it his best (much better than Crystal Express), it also
has an alternate history in which Lester Bangs does not die, but lives to
marry some off-the-wall comix illustrator.  Sordid scenes but very sweetly
written. I'd'a never guessed it would come in so handy.

Rick Kleffel
-- 

Rick Kleffel*System Administrator*E-Mu Systems, Scotts Valley, Ca*rickk@emu.com*
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: need help in making alt.rave FAQ
Date: 13 Oct 1992 04:02:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Okay, I'm working on the FAQ ("Finally!" comes a shout from the back of the
room), and I need help on a few areas.  

1)  Is there anyone out there who's very knowledgable on the equipment used
at rave?  The most I know is that 1200's are the best (only?) turntables to
use, that Numark (back in business?) and Macintosh mixers are perhaps the
best mixers, and not much else.  What I could use is approximately 60-100
lines on what the best equipment is, relative prices and possibly likely rental
charges, etc.  Also keep in mind that many rave setups are designed to be 
mobile and run by generators (so the amplifiers with the larger capacitors
are better able to handle the load, as I understand it).  Anyone want to help?

2)  Other mailing lists:  I have the addresses for sfraves, socal-raves, and
ne-raves, of course, but I forget the addresses for the others (even local
ones like umd's).  I'm also including bpm.. any others that belong?

3)  Pointers to articles (or another 60-100 lines) on equipment used to make
techno music.  I know there's probably a rec.music.synth FAQ, but having one
exclusively for techno music would be nice.  If it takes 200 lines, fine.


If you could send me anything you might have - an article saved from the
mailing lists/USENET groups, something original, etc - I would appreciate
it.  I scoured the last months' worth of alt.rave posts for info, but not 
much was available there...

I'll post the alpha version of the FAQ real soon now...

	Brian
From: markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark Rivers)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Future Sound Of London: Accelerator
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:47:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

jlacour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Lacour) writes:
> K6K@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Kin W Koo) writes:
> > pwh@bradley.bradley.edu writes:
> > > 
> > > The CD cover clearly says "Central Industrial"
> >
> > Well, my CD cover says "Central Industrail"
> 
> Mine says 'Industrial' also - I say children, what does it call mean?

I've found a typo on a CD cover too.  Do I get a prize??
On Kaos Theory 3 the Krome and Time track is given 3 different names...
	This sound of the underground
	This sound is for the underground
	This is the sound of the underground
Number 2 is correct.
Does anyone else have any fascinating CD cover typos to share with us??
If there's lots of interest perhaps we could create an alt.cd.cover.typo group

	Mark
	:)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: cep@sage.cc.purdue.edu (CRAIG PFEIFER)
Subject: Re: Name these songs
Keywords: song identify 
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:50:39 GMT

In article <Bw6zy4.JJ3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs125b55@dcl-nxt26.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:
>Song #2 has the line "The year is 1999"
  That song is called 'There is No Law', by Messiah and can be found on the
Kaos Theory I compilation, on Telstar Records. I think the Kaos Theory series
is the best techno compilation out right now.


-- 
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From: u8912548@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: MAIL ORDER Vinyl
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:49:15 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

 
 I am looking for some good mail order
 vinyl places in Europe or the U.S.A that will accept relatively small
 orders from Australia.
 DOES ANYONE KNOW of any???
 
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e-mail: u8912548@csdvax.csd.unsw.oz.AU   or   usr6264a@tso.uc.edu
DJ MD (Michael Dagn) of....
M     D     A
Music Dance Aesthetic   Saturday Nights   10pm-2am   2RSR   88.9MHz
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe)
Subject: Re: SHAMEN
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Astrobiology)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:33:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.084517.7651@cs.tcd.ie> ftsomers@cs.tcd.ie (fergal somers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.151727.16294@eng.cam.ac.uk> kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price) writes:
>>
>>Also, Vic VapourRub is used (or so I'm told!!) at raves. What about 
>>Olbas Oil? Anyone tried it, for anything!?!?!
> 
>If you like Vicks, you'd probably go for this. Much stronger aroma,
>promotes rushes (so I'm told :-) :-)). Empty some on your hands,
>and cup them against your face and inhale - mmmmmm.

	Yeah right, but if it gets on your clothes it is impossible to
wash off, and you end up smelling like a pharmacy for days afterwards.
So you end up getting those "knowing smiles" from ravers you pass on the
street. I'd prefer to stick with vicks, since as well as the aroma, you
also get that warm feeling from rubbing it on.

	Dave "Loony detector van _you_ mean" Roe


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Hostetler)
Subject: Re: Raves in Midwest?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:52:34 GMT

In article <ed.719139406@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>sl319001@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Shorten) writes:
>>I live in Indiana, which doesn't really have that much in the way of
>>raves and the like. Are there any rave clubs or happenings in Chicago or
>>Cincinnati? Info would be nice.
>Hmmm...prolly too far off for you...but here in OMAHA there are at least
>2 upcoming raves.  One this weekend and one on Halloween.  Don't know
>how wild or tame these will be, though.
	
	Actually, there is a rave to happen this Saturday in
Bloomington.  Some freaks from Boulder Colarado called the KGB 
are putting it on.  I'm expecting that it will be lame.  $7.
-- 
-brian
*bhostetl@ucs.indiana.edu 	  |	"Stop and breathe, close my eyes
 bhostetl@iubacs.bitnet   	  | and smell and listen...  no more cotton
 bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  | candy, no more band concerts..."
From: zirk@celece.ucsd.edu (Karin Zirk)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Fantasy Rave - San Diego
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:20:25 GMT
Distribution: ca

Universal Multicultural Eventica presents

FANTASY RAVE

October 10th, 1992

12 hour indoor outdorr hardcore festival

with
Ricaro Antonte / Mr. Kool-Aid / Ian Callaway
Mr. E. Quark / DJ Dale Charles / DJ Flo
Kaox-X / Steve Pagen / B-Side
DJ Quicksilva / DJ Greyboy / Kali-K
Steven Flex / DJ Jam / and more

Live performances by Mind Flanger, Sara Sterling, and Unity-E

Lazerium Video Projection Screens, Computer generated cubical video wall

Tickts $ 15 in advance
$20 night of the event

SAN DIEGO - (619)497-1828
or (800) 498-1828
From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Review: Kaos Theory 4
Keywords: review
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:39:53 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <Bvv71F.AnK@rice.edu> mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:
>In article <BvsqDJ.M2A@csc.liv.ac.uk> markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark Rivers) writes:
>>6)   4:00  3  M R M - Walking in Memphis (Club Mix)
>
>what is this track like?  saw the 12" (it's domestic) but didn't want to
>spend $5 on a record i haven't heard... mrm is an acronym for memphis rave
>mafia, a name so absurd it definitely got my attention.
>
>yours,m
correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that is a techno remake of the
pop song with the same name, but the lyrics are changed..
" i put on my raving shoes and i boarded the plane,
touchdown in the land where the skies are blue,
in the middle of the ouring rain, i'm raving i'm raving...."

it seems strange that this song would be on KT4 though, as it is
quite over the hill here in boston. so maybe i'm wrong. i'm
used to that anyway.
.


-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                             stay groovy.
 camper english    (medication time, medication time)      @buphy.bu.edu
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:45:01 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

> don't go to the limelight.  they still discriminate, from what i've heard.

and they get too many tourists
> 
> go to the mission on east 5th, near alphabet city (east side), for
>  techno/industrial stuff.
> 
they get too many tourists and the music's lame

> or, better yet, pick up a copy of the village voice when you're down in the city.  
>  and go to a coupld record shops, and pick up the complimentary
>  invites that are at the front of almost every shop.

don't bother with the Voice, the Palladium/Limelight axis advertises there.

Go to:

NASA
Nocturnal Audio Sensory Awareness
at THE SHELTER
157 Hudson St.
just below Canal (near Holland Tunnel)
11 PM till Dazebreak
$10 before midnight
$12 after

Rave Info: (212) 330-8233

..and don't forget to wear a backpack ];)

--Kreig
raVinglunatick
kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Reccomend some Tangerine Dream for Techno fan, please
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:30:33 GMT

Hi,
 
I'm a techno fan and I'd like to buy some Tangerine Dream, so I'd like
reccomendations please. I'm guessing their latest album might be the one
to get, but what the heck? BTW I'm *not* really concerned whether TD is
techno or not, OK? But I want to pose the question here, rather that in
a non-techno-related group, so I'll get input from persons who "know where
I'm coming from" so to speak. ;-)
 
Post replies cuz others may want to know too!
 
Thanks much!
 
--Eric
 
thelookthefeelthesoundofmyvoicethelookthefeelthesoundofmyvoicethelookthe
feelthesoundofmyvoice   eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  thelookthefeelthesound
ofmyvoice    Detroit, Michigan  USA   thelookthefellthesoundofmyvoicethe
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 05:58:21 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

george@windslc.nrel.gov writes:

>> MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>> as Iggy & the Stooges. 
>
> Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the
> term 'punk' in the early '70s. 

You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

VISUALIZE PENETRATING CRANIOCEREBRAL TRAUMA
From: fnord@camelot.bradley.edu (William Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Chicago 3 day rave
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:31:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

Someone mentioned a 3 day party this weekend in chicago.
Could anyone give me any more information?
Xref: sparky alt.rave:3966 rec.music.misc:25506 alt.music.alternative:13029
From: f1sami@uta.fi (Samu Mielonen)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: GUERILLA RECORDS (was Re: What's this upcoming _Orbital Dance...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:08:43 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In <Bw4EEw.CBE@rice.edu> mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:

>In article <1bgn6nINNqvb@agate.berkeley.edu> bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
>>BTW, if you like William Orbit's stuff check out React 2 Rhythm's album 
>>"Whatever You Dream" - spacey, housy, not really techno, but very cool,
>>trademark William Orbit _sound_.  Has anyone heard D.O.P.?  It's also on
>>Guerrilla and sounds promising.

>i don't know about the rest of the album, but the react 2 rhythm track off
>that twitch comp (i think it was called 'whatever you dream' as well) has
>been a big rave track here in houston for the past month and a half or so...
>great song (and great remix).

"Future Le Funk" (if I recall correctly) was a good track by D.O.P. that
was released earlier this year. I think Guerilla records has also released
a compilation titled "Dub house" a while a go and earlier this year they
also released a compilation called "Guerilla grooves" that had more of
a stateside feel to it. I should also mention that the 12" versions of
React 2 Rhythm singles ("Intoxication", "Whatever you dream" & "I know
U like it") are all well worth getting.

Peace, sZm


  
-- 

Samu Z. Mielonen
f1sami@uta.fi (Internet)
Uni. of Tampere, Finland, dept. of psychological lobotomy
"Trust not what you see, but what you know."
From: dillongm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Johnny Monocrome)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Any rave's in Cincinnati, Oh area?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:23:28 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Cyber_Waste (tm)

The title says it all.

Later

Johnny Monocrome
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Satoshi/Marshall
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:48:43 GMT

bt178@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David James) writes:

>BTW theres a cool article in the
>new Roland Users Group magazine introducing their DJ70
>workstation. Morales and Knuckles are interviewed, along
>with one other DJ (can't remember), but it was kind
>of interesting.

Knuckles was profiled and his keyboardist was interviewed.  What does Knuckles
do these days anyway?  From the sound of the article, he just has a remixing
team doing mixes under his name.
-- 
		       "I'm Slash man, Slash!" - Slash

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: 808 State Discography Addition
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 00:04:23 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.
Keywords: 808 State disco techno Jon Hassell AMS pitch shifter trumpet

davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) writes:

> I am going to keep posting this damned thing periodically until I get a
> confirmation from someone that this has indeed been added to an online
> 808 State discography.

What do you want, a medal?  The 808/Hassell info has been in the ZTT
discography for as long as there've been remixes *listed* in the ZTT
discography . . . which you'd know if you ever bothered to look at it.

Sheesh.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: rojohnso@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Tangerine Dream
Originator: rojohnso@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:36:19 GMT


Hey guys...
            I was just wondering if someone out there could just get into more
detail about what Tangerine Dream's sound is like?  Is it leaning more towards
new age music, or to dance music??  Im aware that there are different degrees
of ambient music, so I was just curious...Also, has anyone heard 808 State's
newest single?? Ive seen it in the store, but never heard it.

                                                Peace,
                                                 RJ
                                                     
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc,alt.fan.netgods.of.rec.music
From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt35.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:13:23 GMT

In article <31070001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>  
kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
 
 1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
 Yes                  [X]
 Sometimes            [ ]
 No                   [ ]
 Haven't heard enough [ ]
 Other                [ ]
 
 2.) Are you pro choice?
 Yes                  [ ]
 Sometimes            [X]
 No                   [ ]  
 Haven't heard enough [ ]
 Other                [ ]
 
 3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
 Yes                  [ ]
 Sometimes            [X]
 No                   [ ]
 Haven't heard enough [ ]
 Other                [ ]
 
 4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their              
parental
 rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
 Yes                  [ ]
 Sometimes            [ ]
 No                   [ ]
 Haven't heard enough [X]
 Other                [ ]
 
 5.) What sex are you?
 Male               [X]
 Female             [ ]
 
 6.) How old are you?
 Under 18           [ ]
 19 to 65           [X]
 Over 65            [ ]
 
 7.) What religion are you?
 Protestant         [ ]
 Catholic           [ ]
 Jewish             [ ]
 Other              [ ]
 None               [X]
 
 8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
 Democratic         [ ]
 Republican         [ ]
 Other              [ ]
 None               [X]
 
 9.) How many years of education have you completed?
 Grade School       [ ]
 High School        [ ]
 College            [X]
 More               [ ]
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: new Aphex Twin double album
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:09:52 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

In the midst of this shower of flames, Orb madness, and silly surveys about
your feelings on abortion, I offer a smidgen of interesting music news...
I just picked up a fantastic new double album by Aphex Twin!  It is very
mellow, smoother than Polynomial-C and Digeridoo.  If you like ambient
stuff, get it!  Even the old stuff doesn't sound dated at all.  Jeez, he
must have been, what, 12 years old in '85?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aphex Twin                                                       [Oct 1992]
Selected Ambient Works 85-92

BE LP: R&S AMBLP 3902
     4:51 X-tal
     9:01 Tha
     3:47 Pulsewidth
     5:21 Ageispolis
     1:13 i
     6:02 Green Calx
     4:51 Heliosphan
     7:42 We are the music makers
     5:07 Schottkey 7th Path
     7:12 Ptolemy
     6:02 Hedphelym
     5:36 Delphium
     7:35 Actium
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Really, I can't recommend this highly enough.

Mike
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: song id's of 4 songs that have samples?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:15:33 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


hi....there's 4 songs that i'm looking to identify, all
 techno songs.  they have samples as follows:
 1) beatles help
 2) beatles revolution.
 3) peter gabriel's "games without frontiers"
 4) the loony tunes theme.

can anyone tell me the artists and titles of these techno songs?

thanks - bob gaj
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud)
Subject: Re: Chicago 3 day rave
Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Something fatal.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:59:15 GMT

I have no info on that one.  In general, 3-day parties are all day and all 
night.  It's something Chicago is not ready for, though.  If you could get
me a name for the party, I could check up for ya.  It better not be R Tyme-
The Final Call =)...

Jer
=Jerry Dischler=|Little Fluffy Cloud|=disc@quads.uchicago.edu=
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board)
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 20:27:20 GMT

In article <1687AC491.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
|> In article <knhp7xl@lynx.unm.edu>
|> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
|> >bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
|> >>>> I don't recall anyone even using the term 'punk' in the early '70s.
|> >>> You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
|> >> Were YOU?
|> >No I wasn't (I was digging in piles of dirt in the backyard, probably)...
|> >but I've read it since, and yes, Bangs was calling bands like Iggy and
|> >the MC5 "punk" back then.
|>  
|> Too bad, cuz they weren't. Iggy & the Psychedelic Stooges and the
|> Motor City Five didn't really consider themselves punk, and I don't
|> really see how Lester Bangs' opinion matters in retrospect.
|>  
|> Either way, I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock"
|> in Creem by or before '73. If you do, I'll send you an issue of Bomp that
|> I bought in '79 that still has the Police bumper sticker intact. Plus, you
|> like Devo, right? I'll send you a Devo bootleg album that I bought in '80.
|>  

Isn't this a sucker offer - didn't CREEM start up in '73? I could (easily) be
wrong on this.

|> If & when you come up with the Bangs-Creem-'73-Punk references, contact me
|> & I'll give you my fax number.
|>  
|> Heck, if you pay postage, I'll send you any '78-'81 issues of Creem that I
|> haven't thrown away yet!
|>  
|> How about it? You've got nothing to lose!
|>  
|> --Eric
From: mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Vera Lynn's
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:05:53 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <1992Oct14.234321.18403@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>
>This whole Vera Lynn conversation has been pretty interesting to me...
>Just curious - did that name come about as slang for rolling paper
>before Pink Floyd's The Wall??  Wasn't Vera Lynn an actual singer back
>in the 40's or so??

guru sez:
	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

	The United States of America has so little culture!!!!!!

	Vera Lynn was the Forces' sweetheart for most British squaddies 
	during WW2 (you know, the one in Europe. Europe. Remember that?),
	and belted out (most famously) "We'll meet again".

	She's still alive, although her thoughts on being associated with
	spliff-size Rizlas are not recorded......	

	I apologise for slagging off America. Let's make that:

	Some inhabitants of the United States of America have no culture!!
	
-- 
      /~~~) /   / /~~~) /   /  
     (___/ (___/ /     (___/   These mind-expanding drugs have given me so much
        /                      imagination, I'm hallucinating grey vividly....
   (___/ mei172@cch.cov.ac.uk                       Victor Lewis-Smith