From: used to be Anime Kami (kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu (Koji Nanjo))
Subject: Re: Can o' worms:  just WHERE does manga fit?
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Organization: Heavens above Lodoss
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:12:16 GMT

In article <920409.183526.CDT.MHIGH@vm1.tucc.trinity.edu> MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!") writes:
>I agree with Stephanie.  This discussion is getting too silly.
>
>Really.
>
>C'mon folks, ITS JUST A NAME!  THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REC.ARTS.MANGA AND
> REC.ARTS.COMICS.MANGA IS TRIVIAL, AT BEST.
>
>I believe we all agree there is a need for a manga group under the rec.*
> heirarchy.  I've scanned alt.manga, r.a.anime, and news.groups fairly
> thoroughly, and I do not remember a SINGLE PERSON who was out-and-out
> opposed to the idea of the group.
>
>The only complaints I've seen, so far, are over the name.

=>True. Manga (the Japanese pronounciation) means comics (pure and simple).
It comes from the Chinese word (of course adopted again [more like stolen])
"Manhwa" which means comics (actually, it refers to any drawing picture type
stories with dialogue). Korean also adapted and refer to it as "Manwa" (?? 
don't know spelling). Basically, manhwa, manga, and manwa all mean comics.
No arguments please unless you know the origin of the word from the Chinese
viewpoint (since it was they who made the word). 

>Is is soooooooo important to ya'll that IT ***MUST*** be one name, or the
> other?  DOES THE FATE OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT HINGE ON WHERE THE
> PROPOSED NEWSGROUP FITS?  (yes, I know I'm shouting).  Jeez...step back
> and take a look at the big picture.

=>They are the same, yes, but people will refer to them differently in 
cultural aspects only. The meaning of the words are the same but I think
people are getting confused by the context of how people use the word,
manga, to refer only to Japanese comics and comics to regular American comics.
Actually, Japanese will use either or for words (they have manga and they have
comics as word in their vocabulary). 

>The results of the straw poll will reveal which name is preferred among
> the net.readers.  I urge everyone to vote for that group EVEN IF IT DOES
> NOT ADHERE TO YOUR PET NAME.
>
>rec.arts.manga
>rec.arts.comics.manga
>
>Does it REALLY make a difference?  Priorities, people.....

=>There is actually no difference if we all became under the title of rec.arts.
comics. The only qualm that people seem to have is that rec.art.comic people,
most don't know much about Japanese comics and so won't know what the hell
one is talking about. Plus the fact, many foreigners think that the word, manga
, refers to only Japanese comics, which is wrong, and they want to separate
the comics field by country (or culture). Now American-made comics that resem-
ble Japanese comics are comics, manhwa, manga, manwa (etc.) and can be called
anything since the meaning for the words is the same, whether one disagrees
or not. I really don't think people should make up new news groups just to
satisfy foreigner's ignorance of the meaning of the word. The words are all
the same and the field of comics are all the same in each country (I mean,
the artist do do the same thing, it's not like they don't do something new
in one country that that country only specializes in. The plots may be differ-
ent and the subject matters too, but that is based off of cultural differences
between the countries). But if we are to merge with comics, those people would
have a hard time understanding what we would talk about. This newsgroup dedi-
cates solely to Japanese style of comics (manga) on all related subjects 
relating to Japanese culture subject matters, etc. whether or not the artist 
is Japanese or American or any other foreigner. Just as long as the comics has 
some Japanese style. But anyone can use this newsgroup also to refer to Ameri-
can comics or others since the newsgroup title isn't specific enough to 
solidify that this channel is mainly for Japanese comics. Just like raa, 
anime in Japanese is the shorter form of the English word "animation" and
means animation. That means anyone from animation can come in and talk about
regular animation (and that is what some people do). If people want to solidi-
fy the subject, change the title of the newsgroup to something more narrower
so that people who post are just talking about that subject only without
talking about something else (with that big loophole in the name of the news-
group, which means people who flame people that they are talking on the wrong
newsgroup are incorrect and wrong). The ideology of people (the fanatics out
there) is what is Japanese called is Japanese topic-related (without consider-
ing that the newsgroup title is really broad and only is the Japanese way
of saying the equivalent to the English words). IMHO, I say change the title
to something more narrower if you just want Japanese everything or handle what
people, who come on and talk about Foreign animation (other than Japanese) on
raa and foreign comics (other than Japanese) on alt.manga, say about these 
comics or animation (those which are not Japanese) since the newsgroup is
raa (just like the other raa) and alt.manga (rec.arts.comics). Anyway, manga
= comics, anime = animation (there's no difference except for where it comes
from, the language, and the plot (well, all plots should be different anyway)).
No one should argue about getting new newsgroup; what they should argue is to
change the newsgroup title to specify it even further so that no one else
can come on and talk about something that isn't related to Japanese.
This is my 2 cents worth. Take it or leave. I see both sides of the issue 
but I really see a worthless cause in the future for this kind of predicament
of adding numerous other newsgroup which are so close to the 2 which exist 
currently (4 if you count the animation). 

=>Anyway, Aleph, you have a good point (I was just analyzing the situation,
not flaming you). If people just want JAPANESE everything, then change
the title or just be quiet and let bygones be bygones.

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