HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: INTERNET IN ASIA/INDIA.
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:46:40 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Oct12.221822.22764@cs.wisc.edu> rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.210517.18564@cs.wayne.edu> uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>>
>>In a gopher in Michigan I found Gopher servers in Chile Equador etc..
>>	(Three in Chile!!!)
>>None in Asia !!   What is Asia doing...?
>>If IEEE Spectrum got its data properly sorted, then Saudi Arabia, Egypt,
>                                                                   ^^^^^
>                                                                   |||||
>
>Umm, unless there's been some major geologic activity that I haven't heard
>about, Egypt is still in Africa.
>
>
>Dr. Landweber (landweber@cs.wisc.edu) produces a nice summary of network 
>connections in the world.

BTW, the latest issue of SPECTRUM Magazine,  Oct. 1992,  an article on
the Email facility, "Email-Pervasive And Pusuasive", on Page 22, tells
about the fact that India is one of the only 9 countries in the world,
where the entire nation is covered by Internet and Bitnet.

According to last count the other countries were believed to be U.S.A.
the U.K.,  Australia,  Japan, Canada, New Zealand (partially), and two 
others that I am not able to recall right now.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INTERNET IN ASIA/INDIA.
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:24:17 GMT
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <1bh18aINNr1d@iraul1.ira.uka.de> sirdesh@i32s1.ira.uka.de (Sam Sirdesh) writes:
>.9.92.  I am thus suspicious of
>this "total coverage of India by Internet / Bitnet." What does that
>mean? Does it mean that, because India has just four metropolitain areas
>(a ridiculously small number for a continent of 850 mn etc...) which
>just happen to be geographically distributed around the land area, that
>connections between these four cities (+ Bangalore) implies "total
>coverage"? The real revolution comes when all the smaller towns are

I understand your  scepticism.  But I recall reading in newspapers and magazines
as way back as a couple of year ago, that major Public sector companies like BHEL
SAIL etc, CMC, etc.. have laid out networks (private though) to connect ALL Their
offices all over the conutry.  ONGC did that too.  Now figure out how many
cities and towns that will be.  Ofcourse, that is a theoretical view.  As for the
number of people able to access these networks -- well -- I suppose its just in
the thousands.  Ah ! and these networks are connected to each other.  ABout 12
cities in india NOW have local numbers to which corporate customers can call to
connect via 2400 baud modem to the wide-wide-wode world VIA internet.  I asked my
parents to enquire about this, and they got a phone call enquiring `why does your
son need it? - what business does he do? Who will he contact ? What will he be sending-
vagairaaa...'  I still havent figured out how to respond.  I read something in the US-
Indian newspapers the other day about these networks thrown open or something like that.

Am waiting for the day the telecom system is thrown open .  I feel its coming soon.



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com (Savithri)
Subject: CREATION (JOKE)
Originator: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com
Reply-To: kali@shiva.mc.ti.com
Organization: _
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:51:44 GMT


I do not know the source of this article.
I found it rather amusing!

                 THE UNIFIED FIELD THEORY


IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS ARISTOTLE
AND THINGS AT REST TENDED TO BE AT REST,
AND THINGS IN MOTION TENDED TO COME TO REST,
AND THE EARTH WAS THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE
AND GOD FOUND IT BORING.

THEN GOD CREATED NEWTON.
AND THINGS AT REST TENDED TO REMAIN AT REST,
AND THINGS IN MOTION TENDED TO CONTINUE IN MOTION,
AND MATTER WAS CONSERVED, AND ENERGY WAS CONSERVED
AND MOMENTUM WAS CONSERVED ,
AND GOD FOUND IT TO BE TOO CONSERVATIVE.

THEN GOD CREATED EINSTEIN.
AND THINGS IN MOTION TENDED TO GET SHORT,
AND STRAIGHT THINGS BECAME CURVED
AND THE UNIVERSE WAS FILLED WITH INERTIAL FRAMES AND GOD SAW
THAT WHILE MOST OF IT WAS RELATIVELY GENERAL,
SOME OF IT WAS ESPECIALLY RELATIVE.

     THEN GOD CREATED BOHR,
     AND BOHR INVENTED THE THEORY
     AND THE THEORY WAS QUANTA
     AND ENERGY WAS QUANTITIZED
     AND MATTER WAS QUANTITIZED
     BUT SOME THINGS WERE STILL RELATIVE
     AND GOD SAW THAT IT WAS CONFUSING.

THEN GOD WAS GOING TO CREATE FURGESON
AND FURGESON WOULD HAVE FIELDED A THEORY, AND
EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE, BUT IT WAS THE
SEVENTH DAY,
AND GOD DECIDED TO REST,
AND THINGS AT REST TEND TO REMAIN AT REST.



p.s. Std. disclaimer


 
Keywords: 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bsind@robbie.acns.nwu.edu (Brijnandan S. Dehiya)
Subject: Re: Heroism in Indian culture
Keywords: As you like it.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.014529.24458@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
> 
> I am interested, if you are interested as well, in the concept of hero  
in  
> Indian culture.  The values and ideals that are imbodied in the Indian  
> heroes.  
> For example, Arjuna and Rama.  In what ways are they heroes, are they  
> different types of heroes, or are they very similar.
> It seems that Arjuna and Rama are heroes in  a different sense than the  
> American hero, in that the ideal they follow is to do their duty, rather  
> than the American ideal of doing something that is "right" and "putting  
> things right".  How does that lead to heroism though,  and how does that  
> link to hinduism, and dharma
> 
> ???


A hero in the Indian sense is someone who is willing to give up everything  
so that Good can prevail over Evil.In fact , this can be said of a hero  
anywhere.So what's different about Indian heroes?
Morality is very important.The end does NOT justify the means.But this  
idea was violated by both Rama and Arjuna.And Krishna.
Traditions should be observed. Elders ,even in the enemy camp, are to be
given respect.
Knowledge should be sought from wherever it comes.
Don't quit till you win.


But there are differences between Rama and Arjuna/Krishna too.
Rama did everything (almost) ideally.Krishna was more practical.
While Rama respected Ravana for his knowledge, Krishna taught Arjuna to  
see the enemy AS enemy only.

The concept of Dharma comes more from Krishna than Rama.Krishna says in  
Gita that Man does not have a right over the outcome of his actions , but  
this should not stop him from doing something.So if you want to do  
something which you feel is RIGHT, go ahead and DO it.Don't let the  
possible negative outcomes stop you from completing the task.

Dharma means doing what you HAVE to do, without being forced .What you  
feel SHOULD be done.
From: vanka@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (vanka suryanarayana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Inquiry - H-1 Visa; Canada
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:51:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6Hto.BK3
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

A few visa questions:

1. Is it possible to get an h-1 visa from
   Toronto?

2. Is there a hot-line number at any
   of the Canadian Consulates in the US?

Thanks

Surya


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University of Illinois - Urbana Champaign
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From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/Anywhere: "solution"?
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:13:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct15.115747.10542@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>
> You are really ignoring the very real human emotion of jealousy, and
> the acts people are capable of in a fit of rage. No amount of
> legislation would stop people from being jealous.

What makes you think that some amount of legislation will make
people respect others or prevent women from being raped ? Death
penalty doesnt prevent people from murdering others. My point is
that to *PREVENT* rape or other criminal behaviours, fundamental
change in the way men and women think must occur. Punishment
can *LIMIT* criminal behaviour of only those capable of thinking 
beforehand what consequences their acts can bring forth.

Any path that divides people into categories (believers and non
believers, as in Islam) and treats sexes unequally (as in Islam)
is not a solution to any problem. This world has people of many
colors, beliefs, customs, hopes and desires. We must learn to
coexist.  

I understand that my example (of the hypothetical society) was
not well stated. It was meant to show that while restricting
sex may limit the occurance of say rape, true prevention can come
about only by giving freedom.

> be offensive, honest, - but how would you feel if, your wife sleeps 
> with another man? It is consensual sex, after all! Won't you feel
> betrayed? Won't you feel you are being cheated? And how much of a
> restraint you think you can exercise in such situations? Plus, your

I dont have a wife. If I ever have one, I will consider her a
thinking, living human being and not as a possession.

> scheme would have a host of other social evils built into it - how
> can crimes like incest be stopped?
>

Without quoting religious texts, can you explain why incest
is an unlawful behaviour. Haven't you heard of societies where
incest was practised not long ago ? 

What you now brand as criminal, may not have been so some
time ago. What you now consider as virtuous, may not remain
so in the future. Morality and ethical behaviour evolve. Most
religious texts dont.

> USA probably approximates our hypothetical society, doesn't it?

It doesnt. 

> have a look around you about the number of spousal homicides in this
> country [mostly committed by women] and compare the figure with 
> India [where free sex is a taboo]! Or to a lesser extent, the number
> of divorces *caused by one spouse cheating on the other*; the real
> losers will be the children!

By denying women the right to be something more than just wives,
by systematically demolishing their ability to think and reason,
we can make the figures better. 

Respect does not come restriction or suppression. 

> With all its defects, I think sexual exclusivity is darned good idea.

Fine. Would you characterize that as an idea belonging only to
Islam ?

> 
> 	Siva Prasad.

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra)
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:17:57 GMT

jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:

>I think I can agree with all that Brijnandan S. Dehiya posts.  I didn't
>know that the British ban on sati was instigated by Indian reformers.
>I didn't even realize there were Indian reformers so early.

>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305

Imagine his surprise. You mean the indians actually had a culture going
before the British came!
Based on his previous postings on the net, what we have here, Ladies
and Gentlemen, is yet another Joachim Martillo. This one disguises as 
a professor at a university.

anand 'Be wary of guys in three piece suits.'

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From: swami@mips.com (Swaminathan Venkat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Is it possible to ...
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:27:55 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: wildcat.mti.sgi.com
Originator: swami@wildcat.mti.sgi.com


	I have sent my packet3 to the USEmbassy in Bombay in June
	this year. I had also sent my Fiancees' packet3 along with
	mine. My priority date is June 24'th '91. When I sent in 
	the papers to Bombay I had requested them to have my interview
	this Nov- because I am getting married on the 4'th Nov. 
	Now, the dates have rolled back and my date is not current
	any more. I have multiple H1 and so, have no travel restrictions.
	I want to get my wife along with me when I return. So she needs
	to get an H4 visa. 

	While applying for H4 she has to mention that she has applied
	for immigration because her packet 3 papers are at the 
	Embassy. Will she be rejected of H4 because of the packet3?
	Has anyone reading this got their spouse on H4- even after sending
	in the packet3 for the spouse? Will really appreciate all the
	help.

	My email id is swami@mti.sgi.com

	Thanx a lot

	Swami.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: Some Stats on crimes on the women of India
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct09.014046.129146@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha24.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
...
>within three generations (70 years) the ratio will plummet to 861/1000 males!
>(All figures taken from Sunday 1991 magazine). This compounded with the greater
>life span of females means that young females will truly become a rarity. 
>This fact will sink into those dowry takers only then, when they cannot marry
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>off their ladla beta even if they give 50 % off on dowry :-) To their utmost
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>astonishment they will find that THEY will have to pay dowry to get their
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>beta married! Maybe then they will start aborting male foetuses :-)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

You might have said it in jest, but this is _exactly_ what one of
the Union Cabinet ministers, Mr. Vasant Sathe, said in a serious
interview on the issue of female foeticide, a few years ago.
So long as our countrymen place people like Mr Sathe in positions 
of power, and more importantly, regard such people as our "cognoscenti", 
we should not entertain any hopes of seeing things change for the better.

>Nath. 
>

Regards,

--Sudhi.

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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:56:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

miss/mr Shubdendu writes

>From the movie Drishti: 
>"There is always a certain excitement between a woman and a man, which is 
>why they can never *just* be friends."
>-Shubu

i am hearing your name for the first time. could you (if you don't
mind) please tell me whether you are a male or a female? 

i think the question is important in this context.


thanx


suresh
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Abuse of Usenet Privileges
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:51:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

Sonofagun venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (my father is a GUN !!!) said:
[lots of trash including nimmi's letter deleted]

>   I want to take the matter up with his system's administrator
>   bye
>   venugopalan

i would advice you not to do this. it is more childish ( no offense to
children ) than what that morAn did.

suresh
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Abuse of Usenet Privileges
Date: 15 Oct 1992 20:11:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

>	haven't you forgotten to include one section of my post? the one
>	that quoted your article which said "WPI is obviously
>	infested"?? can't you make out a return flame when you see one?

what a gDouse generalization!! i think now it is my turn. all females
are infested   ;-)   (smileys just to keep me outta trouble)

>	well here's my response. its your problem if you can't separate
>	threats to you (or harassment or whatever you choose to call it)
>	from flames on newsgroups. i do not have to prove any intent,
>	but if it would make you feel better, i will assure you that i


i think it is high time i post all my 'female jokes'. she is taking
the harassment thingie too far. i wonder if all the inferences she
drew and conclusions she made about the harassment is from her
personal experiences SUCH AS THIS.



suresh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@deci.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: MORE ABOUT INDIA / INDIAN WOMEN ARE TREATED FAR BETTER THAN HERE.
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:01:26 GMT

(Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>
>How about Golda Meir, and Sirimavo Bandaranaike. Of course you could say in
>defence that even in Sri Lanka's case, Solomon Bandaranaike was the one who
>initiated his daughter into politics. But after that,  it required the fact
>that these ladies had to have something good in them,  and  the populace of 
>the nations had seen something in their ability,  that made them elect them
>election after election. Certainly there seem  to be more women in politics

I am not sure of the dynamics which propelled Golda Meir to power in
Israel, but in my opinion Margaret Thatcher is the only woman who rose
through the ranks to become the premier of a powerful nation.

To highlight Indira Gandhi, Bandaranaike as models for feminist
movement is like saying Malcolm Forbes Jr. is an object lesson 
is rising from rags to riches. 

The imbecility of the Indian political enterprise was proven
when Congress had to beseech Sonia Gandhi, a foreginer and a bereaved
widow, to take up reins of the country. It was like asking Oprah
Winfrey to co-edit the New England Journal of Medicine.

Women have no influence in the governance in India, as in almost all 
countries around the world. To belabor the counterpoint is not only
specious but also useless, as the reality is so stark.

Satya Prabhakar
From: patel@sparky.drad.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: J1 Visa and 2 years residency requirement
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:49:37 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Radiology Department

I have teo questions regarding the 2 years residency requirements
for J1 visa holders. My brother who is a medical doctor was here
on J1 visa. He was offered many jobs here but because of the 2 years
residency requirement, he could not take up any of those jobs and
he was advised to return to India and complete the 2 years requirement
and caome back to take up the jobs. Accordingly he returned back to 
India. He wants to know:

  Since he has job offers from other countries (UK, Canada, KSA etc.)
  he is thinking of going to one of those countries for two years to
  complete his 2 years residency requirement and then return back to US.
  Does going out of US for two years qualify him to get the 2 years
  residency requirement waiver. Or he has to be in India for 2 years and
  not any other country? How strictly they enforce this law? How do
  they know whether he was in India or somewhere else for two years?

  Since I donot follow this news group, please reply to my address
  pet@sparky.drad.umn.edu
      OR
  patel@sparky.drad.umn.edu

  Thanks
From: mishra@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ACADEMIC POSITIONS IN IIT/KANPUR
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:25:38 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                    Faculty Positions for Laser Scientists/Engineers
> 
> At IIT Kanpur, India at the levels of Asst. Prof. ,Assoc. Prof. & Prof..
> There are active research groups in Spectroscopy, Non-linear Optics,
> Plasma Diagnostics, Fibre Optics, Laser Fabrication and Holography. Plans
> to initiate work in Laser Materials Processing, Machining, Image Processing
> and Medical Applications. Candidates proficient in teaching & research having
   Ph.D in any discipline of Laser Science & Engg. should send resume by
> air-mail (not by e-mail) immediately to : Dr. R.K.Thareja, Prof. & Head,
> Laser Technology Programme, IIT Kanpur 208016, India. Appointments will be
> made in any of the academic departments involved in the programme.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                       We are planning to recruit several faculty members,
> may be, as many as eight(8) in the Dept. of Physics now. 
>                       Areas are: Condensed Matter Physics, Lasers & Lasers
> Spectroscopy, Coherent & Non-linear Optics, Atomic & Molecular Physics,
> Nuclear Physics, Atmospheric Physics, Dynamical Systems, Non-linear Physics
> and Field Theory & Particle Physics.
>                       Outstanding theoreticians are encouraged to apply,
> however, emphasis will be on experimentalists.
>                       Applicants should send their Currculum Vitae to the
> Head, Physics Dept.,I.I.T. Kanpur, Kanpur 208016, U.P., India and also 
> arrange for three letters of recommendation to be sent independently to the
> Head.
>                        Any brief queries could be addressed to me by e-mail.
> The resume however should be sent to Head, Physics by Air Mail.
>          
>                                                     A.K.Majumdar
>                                                 Professor of Physics
>                                                    IIT/Kanpur
>                                           e-mail: akm@iitk.ernet.in
>                                                 
> ************************************************
> PS: My  e-mail address  has   changed  ..........
>                                                 
> to   nchakrab@iitk.ernet.in
> ************************************************
>                                                 
> 

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