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From:         DON GALLOGLY <GALLOGLY@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Averaging repeated GRE scores

>All this prompted a recently hired prof at my undergraduate
>institution to simply flip-flop her middle and last name upon taking
>the GREs a second time.  According to ETS' records, then, a set of
>scores from "Jane Mary Scott" (not this profs name) and "Jane Scott
>Mary" should not be averaged.  To the computers at ETS they are two
>different people.

I don't know how ETS does it, but if I were writing the database management
program for GRE scores, I'd use the social security number for the search key
and not the name.  That would eliminate confusion among all the John Smiths and
so on.  It seems that something like the social security number must be used to
handle that kind of confusion, anyway.  OTOH, not everyone taking the GRE has a
social security number (Canadians and UK'ers, right?) in the same sense as
USA'ns.  So maybe that is the reason.  I don't remember how much information
they asked for, but I think it was considerable.  Does anyone know any more
specifics on this?  What do you people in other lands put down when asked for
your social security number?

Don Gallogly
GALLOGLY@CWU.bitnet
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From:         Kimberly Fern Balsam <KFBALSAM@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Feminism

I have been listening in on the porn/anti-porn/equal representation discussion
and though I would put my 3 cents in.  First of all, to those who see magazines
such as Playboy, Hustler and the like as violence against women, suggesting
that magazines which objectify men should be sold in equal numbers would be
like saying that women should go out and rape men so that the statistics of
who is a victim of rape will equally reflect men and women.  Second, I do
believe that such magazines are harmful to a healthy conception of the human
body and human sexuality, BOTH for men and women.  However, I don't think that
censorship is the answer.  Making certain drugs illegal did not stop some
people from craving them, seeking them out, and using them.  I think that a
solution might be found in educating boys and girls about their bodies and
sexuality in a way that they might come to accept this aspect of themselves and
not need to objectify anyone to receive pleasure.  Working towards prevention
of child abuse is another solution.  If people were not objectified and abused
as children, they might not grow up full of shame, rage and hatred, and might
be open to real intimacy, not the artificial sense of intimacy that one can
obtain from reading such magazines.  Finally, some food for thought:  I heard
about some men's workshops in which they did an exercise called "Strike the
pose."  They looked at various "harmless" porno magazines, and men in the
audience took turns getting up on stage and trying to imitate, exactly, the
poses of the female models.  This experience was profoundly uncomfortable for
most of the men, and from what I heard, many became dedicated to eradicating
pornography after the workshop ended.
By the way, I am new to the list.  My name is Kim Balsam and I am a graduate
student in the Counseling Psychology department at the University of Oregon in
Eugene.  I would like to hear from anyone who is also interested in women's
issues in psychology, gender roles, etc.
See ya.   :)
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Discrimination

Whoa, Kathy, isn't that a bit on the broad side? Why not say
"Feminists are people who believe in good things and are fair to everyone"

You don't distinguish feminists from a very large group of people who
I don't think would necessarily call themselves feminists or attend to
gender issues any more than other social issues.

If I were YOUR student? Would I have to take your feminist test?
Do you think I'd pass?  I might even surprise you.

Reminds me of a Winston Churchill story:
Churchill met a woman at a party who didn't like him. She said "Mr. Churchill
if you were my husband I'd put poison in your tea."
Churchill replied "Madame if you were my wife, I'd drink it."

Anyway, if you're satisfied over the correction that not all feminists are
bitter, angry and humorless then that's fine with me.
Tim
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From:         Matthew Prull <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Averaging repeated GRE scores

Kathy:  Well, I'm not sure about the details of my prof's interactions
with her new institution once she got there on the basis of her
"deceptive" GRE's, but she DID matriculate through the program and
did graduate.  Although her new institution may have been displeased,
she did get into the program of her choice.

Matthew Prull
prullm@cgsvax.claremont.edu
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: departmental sex (subject for gossip? NOT!)
              20 Nov 1992 12:29:16 -0700 from <MONCRIET@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>

On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:29:16 -0700 Chronically, Nonterminally Ill said:
> Wow, Matthew.  I didn't mean for this to be taken in that way...
> That kind of gossip
>is malicious, I agree, but that is not what we have here, nor is it
>appropriate in a professional environment.
>        Sorry to have offended you, I didn't mean to!!!
>tracy
>cgsvax.claremont.edu

On the contrary, Tracy, I must apologize if I came on too strong against
the kind of gossip that can go on in small groups of people.  I didn't
mean to direct it at you, particularly.  I was just jumping up on the
soapbox.  I really hate gossip.  There is someone here that used to try
to bring me into alot of gossip.  It took me a while to figure out that
all of those gossipy perceptions were actually her own, and hers alone.
If anyone out there has a sense for interpersonal relationships and
communication, you can probably guess how difficult it is to stop gossip
once it gets started.  And yes, I can probably operationally define gossip.
But do I have to?

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From:         james canaday <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ADD vs. Hyperactivity Refs
              18 Nov 1992 21:47:37 -0500 from <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>

thank you very much Ken, that first ref looks like exactly  the sort of work
I was looking for!
jc
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From:         "Chronically, Nonterminally Ill" <MONCRIET@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      departmental sex

This message may get me in trouble, but what the heck.  I was
wondering if many of your profs had married colleagues/former
students/people they went through grad school with.  It seems odd that
most of our profs have done the second (married students).  It worried
me a bit until I realized they are all substantially older and
married, but it made me curious...

Also, in your departments, is it considered "taboo" to date people in
your programmes?  It sorta was at Claremont, but recently some people
have been doing it, and it's not being looked down upon as harshly (by
the way, this is my impression of how other grads looked at it,
judging from the gossip).

Just curious...

I have heard of departments where the faculty gossip so badly that if
a female grad works for any period of time with a male faculty member,
everyone assumes they are having sex.  The grads at this school were
pretty upset by it, (quite understandably) but it also makes me think
that somewhere along the line it must have happened there, or they
wouldn't keep gossiping.

Any thoughts/comments?

trace


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Nothing is so good that someone, somewhere will not hate it.

The best defence against logic is ignorance.

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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Psych assessment by MDs
              15 Nov 1992 22:56:00 PST from <lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU>

On Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:56:00 PST <lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU> said:
>     Just a quick question:
>     For some reason, I thought that MDs (i.e., psychiatrists) were not
>supposed to do psych assessment, that only psychologists were trained
>and licenced to do cognitive testing (I'm not sure about the projectives and
>neuropsych testing).
>     Does anyone know about this?
>     Nangel

I am under the impression that clinical psychology graduate students
get a bit perturbed when they find out that they do not have exclussive
rights to assessment and/or psychotherapy.  After we have completed our
Ph.D., clinical training, and liscensure exams, the only thing we will have
exclusive rights to is the title "liscenced clinical psychologist."

"Psychologist" is a legally regulated term.  Cognitive testing (or any
assessment) is open for anyone who can get their hands on the tests, the
way I understand it.  Anyone, regardless of training, can be paid money
for delivering the service called "psychotherapy."

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From:         Ellen Galloway <henley@PSY.PSYCH.NOVA.EDU>
Subject:      A.A.B.T. Conference
              at Nov 16, 92 4:24 pm

     Is their anyone in the Boston area who is attending the A.A.B.T.
conference and wouldn't mind a graduate student forn Florida
crashing for the duration of the conference?  I will need a place to stay
Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights (Nov. 19-22).  I am coming as
part of a research team doing a treatment outcome study on behavioral
vs. non-directive therapy with substance abusers and would be interested
in speaking with anyone who is involved in this area.  I would also be
interested in hearing from any other students comming in from out of
town who would like to share a hotel room.  You can reach me at
Henley@psy.psych.nova.edu or by just writing in.
                                    Thank You       Brad Donahue
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Subject:      English Only Laws

Hi Kathy...just saw one of your postings on tokens and was shocked
to find out that and English Only law had been passed in California...
when I left Texas to come to graduate school there was such a law
under debate but I don't believe it ever made it through the process
to actually be put to a vote...shows how out of it I am that I didn't
even know such a thing had already been passed elsewhere...wow.

Sybil
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: sexism in media

"Dream Worlds" was made by a sociology Ph.D. named Sut Jhally--he's at
UMass Amherst, I think.  MTV sued him over it.  You might try his name
in PsycLIT or Social Sciences Citation Index.  He's done alot of work
on images in media--especially of women and minorities.
        --Kathy Morgan
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From:         WILLIAMS@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Re: This !@#%$@ definition thing...

        A few thoughts on feminism:

"'Feminism' entered the English language in 1895, 'x-ray' in 1896.  Feminism
was to film our behaviors as sharply as x-rays did our bones.  However, nearly
a century later people say x-ray without spluttering; feminism is an x-rated
word"
                                -Catherine Stimpson
"With a capital 'F' it is a theory.  With a small 'f' it is an organic
conviction based on experience."
                                -Osha Davidson
"I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only
know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments which
differentiate me from a doormat..."
                                -Rebecca West

...as a feminist, i'd have to agree with Larry...the L7 suggestion most
clearly defines my beliefs and simultaneously distinguishes me from a
herd of others who would never call themselves feminists....

        -Rachel
        (Williams@cgsvax.claremont.edu)
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From:         "STEVEN T. HARDY--GALLAUDET UNIVERSITY" <12SHARDY@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Feminist operational def...suggestion

Kathy,
        Perhaps it is because I go to such a special university that I am sugg
esting this but I would like to add one more catagory to your working def of
feminism.  You included race, religion, nationality, age, sexual orientation,
and sex but you left out disabilities.  I am assuming that this is merely an o
versight upon your part.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Steve

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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      PSY.D...

Check out the Massachussetts (?) school of Professional Psychology in
Boston.  Robert Kegan's there -- he's kind of a object-relations "self"
psychologist.  From what I hear, it's a bit pricey$$$.

Kenn
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Tolerance

How would you define gasket?
T.
From: jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK (Julie Marie Williams)
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Subject: Re: Discrimination
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Jesse,

Perhaps none of us got where we are because we are stupid.  But following
from your argument, how many of us got where we are because we are black.
/white/Asian/Hispanic/blind/deaf/female/male etc etc etc......?

Just food for thought in this confusing discussion...

Julie
St Andrews
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Adult ADD

The Johnson reference:
Johnson, H. C. (1989) Disruptive children: Biological factors in attention
deficit and antisocial behaviors. Social Work, March, 137-144.
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From:         WAGNERL@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Equality, friendship, and feminists.

There are of course many operational definitions of friendship
because friendship, as are most social interactions, is an
extremely complex behavior.  However, one set of requirements
concerning friendship that I personally like are from Hartup from
whom I quote:

"The essentials of friendship are reciprocity and commitment
between individuals who see themselves, more or less, as equals."

The reason I quote this is in response to Kathy's note on
11/21/92:

>> My operational definition of "feminist" is "someone
>> who professes to  believe that all humans are equal, that no
>> one should not be discriminated against on the basis of race,
>> religion, nationality, age, sexual orientation, or sex, and
>> who endeavors to live by those beliefs."  I have no doubt that
>> this differs from other people's operational definitions of
>> "feminist."  However, it is mine.
>>
>> --Kathy Morgan

Actually I really like this definition of a
feminist, especially the part about
no person not being discriminated against.  I agree, we should
not abolish discrimination, that's really impossible, just try to
distribute the discrimination equally.

However, I do have a question regarding the concept of equality.
With regard to the concept of friendship above, which is
intuitively appealing to me, I have a difficult time reconciling
this concept with the attitude Kathy states that "all humans are
equal".  It is apparent to me that this STATEMENT is not true.
At the risk of seeming presumptious I will hazard that what Kathy
(and many others adhering to similar philosophical axioms) means
is that all humans have essentially equal intrinsic value.  This
a priori assumption is one of the tenets which should keep
humanity from espousing policies (or "attitudes" in the non-
political arena) which solve social problems at the expense of
the weaker members of the society at large.

Therefore I understand the pragmatic reasons for believing that
all people have value from the point of view of a society, but
how are all people equal at the personal level; which is really
the level we operate at when in a hiring/firing type of position.

Should everyone have equal access to everyone at the same level
of friendship?  Is everyone really equal to Dan Quayle and vice
versa?

Just curious.

Larry.
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Discrimination

Ah, ain't rationalization a wonderful thing!?

My personal rationalization is that I would be happy to get in as a
token, if by doing so I will be able to have an effect that will "de-
tokenize" many.
--Kathy Morgan
kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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From:         james canaday <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ADDrefs-?

Ken, thanks very much-yeah I know you don't have anything else  to do [smirk].
Specifically, what am looking for is some work on how the effects of abuse
might mimmick ADD-thus causingmisdiagnosis.
regarding this question, I am aware of at least a pair of physicians who jumped
 for the ADD diagnosis and totally overlooked  blatant histories of physical,
and neglect abuse-opting for the simple ADD medication route.  I guess that's
easier since one of them is an ADD specialist, and the ADD spares them the
anxt of confronting pretty ugly abuse.
jc
another happy, unguilty white-male who doesn't hug trees-I'd rather concentrate
on animate objects.
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Jury selection process

Have you checked references on Edith Greene. She is big into psych and
law.
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From:         Mustafa AlAbsi <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

Yes, I agree with Eric.  The issue, however, is whether we need to consider
the functional aspects of these circuits when we talk about the
specific structures that are included in the "limbic system".  I think
we should.  That is, to me at least, is most important when we talk
about the organism's response to stress or other environmental factors.
Recently, I have been doing some readings in the area of endocrine
functions, stress, disease, and aging.  I found that there a lot of
things going on in the hippocampus that are related to stress response
and the hormonal activity.  Somebody mentioned Spolasky's work (I think
that was Eric!].  This work clearly implicates hippocampus in many
of the stress related diseases.  So, where do you draw the lines functionally?!
I don't think you can with any degree of certainty.
Mustafa