From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: OCCAM doesn't like it. (Teen Agent)
Date: 22 Aug 1992 19:03:14 GMT
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Keywords: teen agents exist!  Oswald and Sue's father in-law


In article <5932@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
|david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
|
|| There was no reductio ad absurdum. There is a wealth of
|| circumstantial evidence
|| indicating that Oswald had intelligence connections. It was somehow thought
|| that bringing up Oswald's early age would somehow falsify the case. It does
|| not, as it was shown that there were in fact Teen Agents, of various sorts.
|
|I've been following the thread and I don't agree that that has been shown
|at all.

What has been shown at all? There *were* teen agents. See the post on Sturgis,
and the other post of someone who said their father was recruited when he
was seventeen.

|| |The overwhelming evidence is that Oswald was a Marxist.
|| Why would a Marxist be hired at a photo firm that requires a security
|| clearence? (Just for starters)
|
|It did not require a security clearance. They did some security work that
|required some segregation of employees but security was lax and all
|employees had access to the material (names of Soviet cities intended for
|maps). The reason Oswald got the job was that he was neat, polite, and
|demonstrated some knowledge of photography. His political affiliations
|were not asked, as they are usually not in job interviews. Besides, Oswald
|would have lied anyway.

They worked on maps for some intelligence agency, did they not? And as far
as the security clearance, that comes from a few books, one which interviewed a
former employer. Where does your source come from?

But let us not get too trite. You must know of Oswald's actions, let's review
them:

1. Joins CAP
2. Joins Air Force
3. Works at Atsui Air Force Base: at U2 base
4. Learns Russian so well that real Russians don't know he is US.
Makes communist statements while in the Air Force but every one knows this is a
joke.
5. Meets with unknown people and gets venereal disease "in the line of duty"
6. First job at the US is intelligence related
7. Says he is going to "defect" the USSR, and nothing done to stop him. His
   return home is financed by the State Department.
8. The USSR thinks he is an agent.
9. Works at work that requires a security clearence (or is at least sensitive).
10. No flag is put on his Visa.

The attorney general of Dallas recieves word that Oswald is an FBI agent, that
gets $200 a month. Although Hoover denies this, when pressed by members of the
WC in a secret closed door session, he says he cannot say for sure weather
Oswald is or not an agent, nor can the Commission members be sure that any
agents would not lie to protect the identity of an agent.

Let us not forget that both Quigly and Hosty burn their notes concerning
Oswald.

Military intelligence spills the beans on Oswald, and happens to have a file
linking Hiddell to Oswald, which they conveintly give the Dallas police only an
hour or two after the assassination. Along with the Oswald's CIA file, and FBI
file, all files on him or either missing, lost or destroyed.

Witnesses place Oswald with Bannister, who helps run the military supply
operation for intelligence activities against Castro. Oswald hands out leaflets
with Bannister's office address on them. Other witness place Oswald with
Ferrie, fellow member of the CAP, and who also worked with Bannister. Also,
they are connected to Clay Shaw, who worked for intelligence.

While Oswald was in the states, he befriended many would be related to
intelligence: including George DeMorganschild, the Paine's, and others.

|| Wasn't it the Paine's, who have connections with intelligence, that got
|| Oswald, not Marina, the job at the TSBD, at a time when Marina was
|| *seperated* from Oswald?
|
|I'm not aware of any connections the Paine's had to intelligence. That
|seems unlikely given their interests. It was Ruth Paine who heard about
|the job at the TSBD. She was separated as well. Her husband plays practically
|no role in this affair.

Ruth's whole family was involved in intelligence, but there is no way to trace
her own employers since for some reason her tax records are classified. Imagine
that, I wonder why.

|| In any event, your distinction between helping
|| Oswald and helping Marina seems irrelevent, since you could, and probably
|| will, argue that to help one is to help the other!
|
|You know me well, sir. Marina knew no English at that time. She had one
|small child and was pregnant with another. Her income was coming from Lee
|so, yes, it was very much in her interest that he be employed.

So your arguement is pretty silly.

|| And what a story *that* was, wasn't it?
|
|I tend to agree with Angleton, that Nosenko was unreliable in many respects.
|However, that doesn't mean his core reason for defecting--if it was a
|setup--to get the Soviets off the hook for Oswald, was wrong.

The point was why was Nosenko hushed up, nearly starved to death, and confined
to a special security room for 10 odd years? His treatment was reprehsible, and
his only crime was addmitting the truth about Oswald: that the Soviets thought
he was CIA, not KGB.

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