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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Most Common Attacks in "the street"?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:42:51 GMT
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In-reply-to: tip@kepler.unh.edu's message of 16 Oct 92 18:05:25 GMT


In article <1992Oct16.180525.4019@newshost.unh.edu> tip@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy I Panagos) writes:

   I was wondering if anyone has any information about what types of
   attacks are encountered most often in a street type setting (ie. 
   not in the Dojo).  I was curious, having had no real practical 
   experience, what sort of attacks are the most useful to practise
   defense against.
   Being only a yellow belt, most of the forms and combos that I've 
   encountered deal with a rushing linear punch. Is this realistic?
   If no one really ever does this sort of thing, what should I learn
   defense for?

   Any thoughts?
						   tim....


Well, first you have to define "the street".  I assume by this you
mean "a real life attack situation", and I'd guess that the types
of attacks vary almost as much as the situations.  A few examples:

	- A friend at a party who gets drunk and a little aggressive
	- A drunk who takes a swing at you in a bar
	- A mugger who shows you a weapon and demands your wallet
	- An abusive spouse
	- A violent rapist

Some of those might attack with a "rushing linear punch" and some
might not.  It depends a lot on what the attacker's objective is,
and how much trouble they think they'll have with you.  

As to whether or not your training is "realistic" or not...I would
say that it covers some, but not all, types of attacks.  The "rushing 
linear" attack may well be the most common kind of attack you encounter, 
and if so, that's a good reason to spend a lot of time practicing
defenses against it.  If you study for eight years and never practice
against any other kind of attack, I'd say that is a problem...but 
at a relatively early stage, I don't see anything wrong with 
concentrating on dealing with one common form of attack, until 
you're really good at it.  

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From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:27:25 GMT

The Great Harlequin (ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: About Circle of Iron again, did anyone like the bit about the mirrors?
: 
If you mean the composition of the book of knowledge...  then yes.

The first time I saw the movie (about 10 years ago), I thought that part

was a bit hokey.  However, since then, my attitudes about life have changed,

and I agree with the sentiment, and when I saw it again about 3 months ago

I thought it fit in well.


Dave S.
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From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung)
Subject: Chung Do Kwan forms
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:13:46 GMT

Hello, all!  Does anyone know if there are any books published on 
the forms for Chung Do Kwan?

To save bandwidth please e-mail me at cungy2@rpi.edu 

Thank you all.

-F.

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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: YOU SHOULD TRY LLAP-Goch!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:32:11 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Oct12.110808.7652@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>In article <5395@balrog.ctron.com> lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence) writes:
>>All you sissies are wasting your time with all those Oriental martial
>>arts, especially when I can teach you *LLAP-Goch: The Welsh Art of 
>>Self Defense!!!*
>>
>>What is LLAP-Goch, you ask? It is simply the most deadly form of secret
>>self-defense that has ever been devised anywhere in the world.
>
>>You will grow up to a FOOT TALLER. You will have 35" BICEPS, and the
>>women will beg to sleep with you.
>>
>
>... but what if I master LLAP-Goch, and I'm a heterosexual woman?
>
>-Lauren

You will have created yourself a serious problem, except that you'll
be able to crush, maim, mutilate, etc... any offensive suitors.
(apparently, anyway)

Corey
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Iaido in BC
Keywords: Iai
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:51:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13711
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

Recently there was a request for Iaido instruction
from someone in Vancouver BC, Canada.  I lost the 
original post but here is the info needed.

     Contact: Mr. M. Asaoka
              2445 Cape Horn Ave
              Coquitlam, BC Canada
              V3K 1K1

Good luck.

-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
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From: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk (Aurelio Barranco)
Subject: Re: aiki in all ma
Reply-To: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:05:41 +0000


> 
> As I've stated, I do not debate the effectiveness of (Aiki)jujutsu
> techniques.  However, I do disagree with the "big circles are easy to escape
> from" idea.  Certainly, sloppy application of any technique will allow uke
> to escape and/or counter.  However, the big circles of Aikido are not
> inherently flawed; rather, they seem (IMHO) to facilitate movement of the
> uke.  Aikido, as practiced by my Sensei (a tiny Japanese woman) is all
> rooted in movement, not so much in the brute effectiveness of joint locks
> (although that is available).  If movements in Aikido are shortened, the
> joint locks become the focal part of the techniques.  Big movements
> facilitate throws which are the truly deadly part of Aikido-- according to
> my Sensei, all throws, if performed well, should allow nage to throw uke on
> his/her head (of course, we use ukemi skills so we don't have to practice
> that part).  
> 

Using big circles is good to show you the correct angles to use, and
I'd agree that it seems to me to facilitate the use of techniques as
throws, but I have had it emphasised to me that at close quarters the
techniques should be modified. So in a small room either throw them
into the wall or snap their arm off.
Maybe it is unwise to confuse the style of training in Aikido with
what is possible.

Aurelio
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: So happy (Dragons and such)
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:06:21 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Oct13.195633.1246@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>Anyway, as I have heard (again and again) from various informed sources, open
>hand didn't come to Japan until the 30's via Gichin Funakoshi.  So no one need

That's "empty hand" in these parts, podnah! And that should by "until the
20's".

There are other largely-weaponless MAs besides Karate. 

>even mention the long tradition of open hand in Japan to me--I do like their
>swords though.
>
>Hey, here's a tough one: as prejudiced as I am towards Chinese MA, I must say
>that I have never seen a Chinese sword of equivalent beauty or as
>technologically advanced as the Japanese swords.  Does anyone know of one?  I
>have seen one good quality Chinese sword about 100 years old, but it still was
>not comparable to the Japanese sword.

Nope, nothing like the "incomparable treasure-swords of Wa," as the Sung 
dynasty poet said.

Steve
From: princecr@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:49:58 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

I liked Circle of Iron it is a really unique movie that is set in a fantasy
world with a very philosophcal plot.

						chris
From: byoung@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian P Young)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: aiki in all ma
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:07:16 GMT
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In article <1b1t45INN3lm@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 1b1rl5INN1ql@uwm.edu, byoung@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian P Young) writes:
>>As far as aikijujutsu if anybody has any interest, I have a pretty long
>>history of Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu/aikido I'll post.  It includes a family
>>tree from Takeda Sogaku, who taught not only Uyeshiba but also Cho Yong Sul
>>founder of Hapkido, to present.
>
>"Samuarai Aikijutsu" has a pretty good history, with charts & everything.
>
>What I'm interested in is if anyone has a syllabus of Daito Ryu
>Aikijutsu. That would certainly be interesting. 

I do have a list of all requirements for shodan in Budokan, which I believe
is the school Takeda Tokimune set up.  It doesn't include the higher, more
complete techniques or kata's and is prettry standard fair.  The complete
system has, inluding secretscrolls, has 2,884 techniques.   As a side note
Uyeshiba Morihei learned 160 of these.
Overall Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu is different then Aikido in the following ways:
-Techniques tie an opponent into knots with his own limbs.(hard to describe
on the net, but an interesting experince)
-Hard-style breakfalls
-Lots of Atemi (all pins end with strikes)
-Instant pain
-Use of names instead of numbers to describe techniques
-Techniques that go against the joint
>
>It could be posted like:
>
>Katate Tori - Single Hand Hold
>Imon Tori - Chest Hold (from a push)
>Momiji Hazushi - Front neck choke escape 
>
>etc.
I'm sure there are people on the net more knowledgable than me to describe
things further.
>---
>Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply

-Brian Young
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Why is there little discussion of striking technique on this net?
Keywords: You figure out what to put here.
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:41:53 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Oct9.175933.11296@ms.uky.edu> taddiken@ms.uky.edu (scott taddiken) writes:

>Kelly seems to have spent her time demonstrating (what seem to me) some
>fairly elementary armlocks.  I've said it before: In my experience, it is
>almost impossible to get a STANDING armlock on an experienced grappler,
>although it could be argued that the threat of that armlock helps to set
>up your opponent for certain throws (the two sleeve, over the shoulder
>throw comes to mind, sodetsurikomigoshi).  Otherwise, it seems like she
>showed good stuff.  I've found that the key to a successful armlock
>is to control the opponent's body.  Wrap your legs around the disagreeable
>so and so.  Make love to his arm. :)

Greetings,

Though what you say is true, you are looking at it very much from a
judokas perspective. Kick your opponent hard in the groin and you'll
find the armlock goes much easier. This is why I supplement aikido with
Kempo (Parker's that is).

Ollie...


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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Akido -vs- Akijitsu
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.201501.3457@sequent.com> akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler) writes:

>FLAME_ON
>	Jeez, Andy! At least you might bracket such silliness with
>	FLAME_ON/FLAME_OFF, for the benefit of freshman who might take 
>	you seriously! Aiki is a principle found in many arts and lineages.
>
>	And Aikido training as I have experienced it, we kiss the skull 
>	only *after* crushing it. "THROW TO THE DEATH," said my Sensei, a
>	student of O'Sensei. "IT IS THE LAST THING YOU WILL EVER DO, 
>	SO COMMIT YOUR LIFE TO IT.  SAVE THE PHILOSOPHY FOR WHEN YOU ARE 
>	TO OLD TO TRAIN HARD."
>FLAME_OFF

	<cinge>

	Owwwwwwww!  Serves me right for coming to the office without my nomex.
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Subject: Aikido Seminar /w/ Yamada Sensei
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: cat claws / shuko
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:35:07 GMT

In article shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>Shuko are weapons that are strapped on the hand, and have four spikes
>protruding out from the other side of your knuckles. (so instead of spikes on
>the knuckles, they're on the palm side of your hand).
>
>Also, does shuko mean claw?

I wonder how you would use these things as weapons of self
defense in this day and age.  I'm thinking here about the kind of
encounters you described when everyone started picking on you.
You couldn't very well wander around the streets with iron
clawws strapped to your hands.  And I don't imagine they would
be too comfy stuffed in the pockets of your jeans.  Are these in
the same class as sai?  I.e., interesting traditional weapons
with little or no present day utility?
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: byoung@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian P Young)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: aiki in all ma
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:37:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Hello all
I've been reading this board for a while now, but this is my first
post (everybody else always makes the points I would make) so please
excuse any stupid errors.  All the aikido/aikijutsu debate made me want to
coment on the definition of aiki.  Im sure many aiki*ka have their own 
personal defintion in there heads, I like the more general meaning
of aiki to mean inner energy (ki) in harmony (ai) with elements of conflict
(for do) or combat (for jutsu), or blending your own strategy with the 
opponent's to achieve full control over him or the encounter.  With that
definition you can see that aiki is part of all martial arts, in fact in
1941 the Butokukai (the senior martial arts organization of the time),
decided that aiki was an intrinsic part of all traditional martial arts,
which seems pretty obvious.
As far as aikijujutsu if anybody has any interest, I have a pretty long
history of Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu/aikido I'll post.  It includes a family
tree from Takeda Sogaku, who taught not only Uyeshiba but also Cho Yong Sul
founder of Hapkido, to present.
Again, please excuse any blunders on my parts, I mean offense to none.
Brain Young
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From: tip@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy I Panagos)
Subject: Most Common Attacks in "the street"?
Summary: Research/experience most often encountered attacks???
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:05:25 GMT

I was wondering if anyone has any information about what types of
attacks are encountered most often in a street type setting (ie. 
not in the Dojo).  I was curious, having had no real practical 
experience, what sort of attacks are the most useful to practise
defense against.
Being only a yellow belt, most of the forms and combos that I've 
encountered deal with a rushing linear punch. Is this realistic?
If no one really ever does this sort of thing, what should I learn
defense for?

Any thoughts?
						tim....


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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:26:01 GMT

In article <MHIRSCH.92Oct12105933@atomic.princeton.edu> mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>In fact, my sources tell me that they rarely eat qi's in China,
>contradicting Stephen's original statement.

	In fact, Chinese cultivate their own qi's with meditation. It tends to
accumulate in the general area of your navel. When you have accumlated enough
qi's, you will be extremely powerful.
	To eat your qi's is purely external, and only suitable for people who
need to use their qi's in the near future.


--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: shulick@blackfoot.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Most Common Attacks in "the street"?
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:54:01 GMT

In article <lduc8cINNn5g@west.west.sun.com> garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM writes:
>	to break the circle, how to deal with multiple attackers, learn how to
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	dodge bullets.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Excuse me?  What is this, Remo Williams?

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one
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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chinese myths
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:42:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <8348@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
>The dragon in my hsing yi style is essentially a helical spiraling idea.  It's
>also the outside of a circle, turning and possibly lifting something so it can
>dump it back down -- like a tornado.

This seems essentially the same as the dragon idea in the Pa Kua
I have learned so far.

>Incidentally, the alligator in the hsing yi I learn has been called turtle by
>someone else, and a rather noncommital "water lizard" elsewhere.  Interesting
>animal, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere but in hsing yi (swallow and
>horse are two others).

In the Pa Kua I am studying both swallow and horse appear. The head
of the system I study also teaches a style called Wild Horse, about
which I know next to nothing.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kimwaza - Black Dragon Kung Fu
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:14:52 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com's message of 14 Oct 92 19:20:20 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.192417.29597@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:

   mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes...
   > 
   >If anyone does want to learn about Scandinavian martial arts, I can
   >tell you a few things.  The stuff that I know is part of a family
   >tradition, so I don't know how widely it's practiced, but Pop used
   >to teach all the neighborhood kids when we were younger.  There are
   >a number of techniques that involve flaming liquids, and also some
   >really deadly motor vehicle techniques.  This is real street self
   >defense stuff here, none of that fancy dojo stuff, and Pop never 
   >made anyone call him "Master" as long as you were nice and prompt
   >when it came time to fetch him another beer.  If you weren't, he'd
   >set the dog on you.  

   Yee ha !  That's my kind of martial art.  Practical AND teaches
   character development.  Is there a local franchise I can get hooked up to ?
   Was Pop descended from those 4th century Icelandic monks ?

Well, now, Todd, as I'm sure you know, the monks in question were 
supposed to be celibate, so they're not supposed to have ANY 
descendants.  That being said, I have to admit that that era
of family history has a curious veil over it which could conceal
just about anything (and probably does).  

My father studied as a child with his father, the only person I
know of to run over himself with a truck (and live to tell the tale,
too).  He later incorporated that style with a number of Native 
American martial arts techniques that he learned while attending
college in upstate New York.  The style that seems to have influenced
him the most was a weapons style known as box lacrosse.  

He and the rest of the family, who have continued in the tradition,
are most disappointed in me for studying wimpy Asian martial arts 
where people bow to each other and no consumption of spirits is
allowed.  
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From: jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: swords
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:48:06 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA

Does anyone have a keen interest in Japanese swords and Kendo/Kenjutsu/Ni-to-
Kenjutsu? I am most interested in discussing with kensai if possible.  I seek a
master, and could possibly be in Japan soon.

 Jason jjas@acs.bu.edu
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Under Siege
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:44:59 GMT

In article <BvzA0x.4r8@news.iastate.edu> twh73@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>Has anyone seen Seagal's new movie Under Siege?  IMHO t is the best one 
>he has done.  He doesn't end up taking out everyone by himself, someone else
>actually does some killing.  It seemed like they tried to lighten up his
>character a little bit.
>
>
>stiletto


	Saw it last night.  It is by far the slickest production.  The story
	line is good if not really too close to plausability.

	I agree that Seagals character was a bit more human than other he has
	done.  The Miss July character was a bit hokey, but I instantly fell
	in love with her breasts.  

	I also found it satisfying to see that idiot guard get capped by the
	two bad guys that were sent to knock off Seagal's character.

	Aren't battleships interesting vessels??

	-Andy V.
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