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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Hail Stanford!--best record in the PAC10
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:34:14 GMT

In <1icvl4INNmit@shelley.u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:

>>As disappointed as I was with the PAC-10's performance--hey, here's to the
>>best team in the PAC-10:  Stanford with a final record of 10-3.  This is
>>our first 10 win season since 1940, so I think I'll relish it.
>>
>>I could go on to make outrageous predictions for next year, but who wants to
>>be mistaken for a Miami fan?
>I liked Stanford from the beginning.  They've got that PRO look and a great
>coach to boot.  They did damn well this year with a team that wasn't built
>by walsh.  I will go ahead and look like a miami fan ( I think they are REAL
>fan's cause they were really into it ) and say that Stanford could go all the
>way next year.  I give em a 1 in 6 (roll of the die) shot.  I think they've
>got a real advantage with walsh at the helm.  Pac ten co-champions and as 
>good as any pac ten team I think.
>wessir
Not to put water on all the Stanford praise, but I don't think Stanford will
"go all the way" next year, if that means national championship.

I wouldn't be surprised if they went to the Rose Bowl, and given Walsh's bowl 
record, would give them a good chance at winning, but they're going to lose 
some games next year.

Stanford is losing to many people to expect them to go all the way.

Still, they should be good.  Everybody but Chris Dalman returns on the O-line.
Steve Stenstrom's coming back, and could be the Pac-10's best QB.  Justin Armour's coming back at WR, and Ellery Roberts
could pose a Vardell-like threat at FB.  Sure, we'll miss Glyn Milburn early on, 
but we've got verbal commits from some stellar kids at that position.  The jr
college transfer WR from Idaho should more than make up for Mike Cook and David
Calomese.

The problem is one defense.  Estevan Avila is gone from the D-line.  Nose
guard Jason Fisk has a similar intensity, and will be back.  Pete Swanson
of Hollister, who redshirted this year, could well be the next Dave Tipton.
He's big, strong, and fast. The inside linebackers return, but standouts Dave 
Garnett and Ron George graduate.  In the secondary, the big losses are 
FS John Lynch and CB Darrien Gordon.  Tommy Knecht could become the FS.  I
dunno about the CB.  Vaughn Bryant, who plays the other corner, has intensity,
and has made some good plays this year (he's also made some stupid ones).

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:48:15 GMT

In article <^t#@byu.edu> zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.

Great suggestion, but highly improbable.  I think I like the idea of
no athletic scholarships at all, but that would start a racism riot
(kinda ironic, huh?).  The NFL really could use a farm system, but 
their attempts so far (see World Football League) have not done so well.

Food for thought.  When was the last time you remember a school getting
caught for recruiting violations in baseball?  Could this possibly be
because there is a farm system for baseball where talented players
can make a lot of money even if they don't make it to the bigs?

>
>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>not educate.

Yeah, but who needs an education with as much money as most of them make?
Shoot, I worked my butt off to get a college degree and now I work 12 
months a year to make as much money as some of them make in one game.
And if Magic Johnson had stayed pro with the Lakers, I think he 
would've made more money grabbing one rebound than I do in a whole year.

>
>There, just my 25 cents worth.
 - which, if you make $60/hour or $1/minute, it takes 15 seconds to make
that much.  If you're a professional athlete, you make that much blinking
an eye.

>
>Steve

Paul (no, I'm not bitter or anything) Conditt
From: rsumner@ho09.eng.ua.edu (Richard J. Sumner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:02:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.
>
Sad, but untrue.  I saw several peoples pre-1993 season picks on JAN 2ND,
and none had Bama #1.  Sigh.  13-0, an entire season of little respect,
and we end up going all the way.  And keep #1 for all of a day. d;-)
Oh well, we were the Champs, and I've got about 10 different shirts to 
prove it!!  ;-)


>Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
>strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
>Who is left?
>
That is a big loss, but NEVER count out Bama's D.  Ever.

ROLL TIDE
Undefeated, Untied.
From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ohio St (national merit scholars) Wussconsin
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:07:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>"Cheesehead Brian E. Saunders whines"
>>>Someone else, I'm lost at this point, wrote:
>>>
>>>But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
>>>year than any other Big 10 school. [but it's too weak academically for
>>>football players who want an education (:^) ]
>>
>>Gee, might that have anything to do with the fact that it's the LARGEST
>>school in the Big 10?
>
>Well gee, it might, cheesehead, but the UW Madison-campus-for-alcoholism-
>training and Minnesota and Michigan and Michigan St and Purdue aren't exactly
>small.  And Minnesota was actually bigger than OSU last time I counted.

[My almanac is 1991.  All figures date from then.  Guess it's time to get a
new almanac.]
					Enrollment
Michigan State University		42,695
Ohio State University			40,122
University of Michigan --- Ann Arbor	35,216
Purdue University			29,674
University of Wisconsin --- Madison	29,625
University of Minnesota --- Twin Cities	29,278

- Stephen
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From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kansas TD play legal?
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:18:43 GMT
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <kitchel.725419385@manta>, kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel) writes:
>jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>
>>Well, it was a good game to kick off a week of bowls... very 
>>entertaining, right from the opening kickoff, literally.  But
>>I was just wondering, was I the only one who thought that the
>>"lateral" on Kansas' first TD play was really a forward pass?
>>I've seen it replayed many times but haven't heard anyone else
>>even question it.  I had no rooting interest in the game... just
>>curious if anyone else saw it the way I did.
>
>2) A single forward pass from behind the line of scrimage is allowed
>	in college football, which is what KU did!
>
Sid, it was the lateral that is the problem.  And from the replays,
it looked like a forward pass to the WR who then threw another
forward pass.  But the refs didn't see it.   TD, KU. 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com (Rick Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Reply-To: rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:27:34 GMT

In article <1ia7gvINN38h@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, ddo@wsun2.larc.nasa.gov (Dale D. Ohmann) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.132630.13234@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> So, let's see.  How did the conferences do in bowl games?  Something like
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> SEC    5 out of 6
|> |> ACC    3 out of 4
|> |> PAC10  2 out of 6
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> Not sure about the rest, but no other conference had more than 2 wins.  It
|> |> is obvious that the SEC was really the strongest, but the ACC held its own.
|> 
|> Let's point out that the only ACC bowl loss was at the hands of the SEC:
|> Florida (Gators) beat NC State.
|> 
|> That's all, folks.
|> Dale

While your pointing things out to us, let's not forget that the only SEC lost
was at the hands of the ACC  UNC vs MSU.

rick (Gator fans still must be stunned by our *ss whipping we gave them in 
      Tallahassee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: FYI: Parade's All-America Team
Reply-To: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:40:21 GMT

In article <aggie-090193180018@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan9.054149.14854@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp
|> (harbison) wrote:
|> > 
|> > In article <1993Jan8.233050.8189@Arco.COM>
|> > mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
|> > > 10. Willie Anderson   Vigor        Prichard, Ala.  6-7  305
|> > > 15. Jesse McCovery    Theodore     Theodore. Ala.  6-3  260
|> >                                                      ^^^^^^^^
|> > 
|> > Geez, I knew we grew `em big in Alabama, but 6-7, 305 lb.?  That boy's
|> > mama must make damn good biscuits.  Does anyone know if either one is
|> > headed for Bama?  I think I've seen McCovery's name on somebody's
|> > "leaning to Bama" list.  Imagine how these rascals will get once they
|> > are living within 5-10 miles of Dreamland!
|> 
|> Imagine you walking into Dreamland, and them telling you "we're closing,
|> one of those Bama boys just cleaned us out, and we won't get any more 
|> ribs, beans, potatoes, flour or tea till next week."!
|> 
|> James
	Dreamland ain't got nuttin' but ribs, white bread and drinks,
	dat's all folks !!


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:24:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.141102.7423@cbnews.cb.att.com>
tpp@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.p.pschar) writes:
> In article <C0GGrG.CnH@harpo.dev.uga.edu>
> easley@harpo.dev.uga.edu (Mike Easley) writes:
> > Either that or give Syracuse about 30 more seconds...:)
>
> Or one less puke.  (Marvin Graves, on the sidelines.)  Cost them their
> last time out.  Then he came back and ran a keeper on the option on the
> first play.  Now THAT'S a guy after next year's Heisman!

He didn't just puke.  He spewed!  He blew chunks!  He hurled all over
that assistant coach who was trying to flush out his helmet with the
water bottle.  Then he went back out and hit it another lick.  As Dana
Carvey (doing Perot) would say:  Tenacious with a capital T!  :-)

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Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Blame it on Gino
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:42:45 GMT

In article <C0CpMr.IG9@cs.uiuc.edu>, bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:
|> 
|> Actually, I think Miami's "taunting" image is no longer true.  It
|> sticks with them because of the excesses earlier, but they seemed
|> to be the better behaved team on the field.  And there was
|> virtua;;y no fighting or penalties (I think the first one came
|> near the end of the first half).

    They ran up and down Bourbon Street jawing at the Tide players all week.
Their comments were hardly complimentary.  They (especially lamar thomas) stood
in front of the Alabama fans and taunted them before the game.  Their captains
refused to shake hands before the game.  The only reason that they did none of
their characteristic actions on the field was that Alabama gave them no chance
to do anything to celebrate about.  Perfect gentlemen.

--
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"Coach Erickson, I *know* they've got 15 DBs in the game!" --Whatshisname

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO)
Subject: Bama, FSU... :)
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:44:01 GMT


Hey congrats to Bama...I was rooting for Miami cuz they beat FSU...
and if Miami won...it would only make FSU look better. :)

But, seriously....Bama played really well... Not taking anything
away from the last statement...but lets face the facts....Miami
played about as well as Houston Oilers did against Buffalo in
the 2nd Half....

Finally...NOLES....good job. :)  Even in fog....I was impressed. :)
Will '93 be the year to BE or NOT to BE...that is the question. :)

					JCHO@nmsu.edu

ps Yeah I held myself all last season from blasting some of
the Pac-10 folks about their so-called "best conference".  I
am just glad they got a humbling... :)  But, hey don't listen
to my jabber...I'm from New Mexico. :)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:49:25 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <79239@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

| I understand that that is your point, but it is baloney.  Play the
| Sugar Bowl at Tuscaloosa and Birmingham and 'Bama would have the
| same advantage, but not in the Superdome.  (Which is why it is unfair
| for 'Bama to play the SEC championship game there.)  The only teams capable
| of enjoying the same home field advantage of Miami in the Orange
| Bowl would be Tulane in the Sugar Bowl, UCLA in the Rose Bowl,
| Arizona State in the Fiesta Bowl, Arizona in the Copper Bowl, etc.

So, if the NYD Orange Bowl move up the street a few miles to JRS, do you
really think that the Big-8 champ will be at a neutral field?

IMHO the Cotton bowl is home team for the SWC, the Sugar is home for the
SEC,  the Rose is home for the PAC-10.   But, the Orange is too far away
from the Big-8, even Tennessee could get the home field advantege in the
Orange.  But, I hate baloney. 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:54:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.175103.8634@b11.b11.ingr.com>, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
(Guy D. McConnell) wrote:
> 
> In article <aggie-040193173118@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:

>     "Whining" he says?!

It sure struck me that way.

> |> > Copeland and Curry all night and the refs never saw it.  Still, even with the
> |> > extra players in stripes, the canes were little lost children.
> |> > 
> |> >     Glad to have a chance to clear up that penalty for the record.
> |> 
> |> And I thought Miami fans could be poor winners...
> 
>     You thought?!  Well, I took the opportunity to inject a little good-natured
> humor into a situation that could have been costly to Alabama.  Anyone who saw
> a 15 yard penalty in Lassic's actions at the goal line needs their head examined.

Where are the smiley's? Did I accidentally delete 'em? Sounded pretty
serious to me, but you're an ok Guy :), so I'll take your word for it.

Lassic got screwed, indeed. A warning would have been sufficient, IMHO,
but as has been pointed out, technically, it was a violation. Of course,
so was Lou Holtz's head lock. In the stands, we thought Lassic had said
something, either to the official, or to one of the Blowhards. I was at
*least* 75 yards away, and I could have called the facemasking he got. I
probably would have said something where I the victim of such a vicious
foul.

> As for the rest of it, *all* the questionable calls went against Alabama but they
> did not allow that to stop them.  Take a look at a tape of the game if you don't
> believe it. 

Actually, I do. I thought some of the offsides flags *had* to be holding 
calls. You won inspite of the officiating - SWC? - and should be damn
proud of that team.

Do you people *really* think I was rooting for *Miami*?

James - Miami spelled backwards is "I maim"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:50:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.210050.29338@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) blithers:

> Wrong - the issue is exactly censorship. Since this exchange, Chrissy sent 
> more email describing that he COULD contact my sys administrator, etc., but
> won't - just wanted to teach me a little lesson (in censorship no 
> doubt!) - another veiled threat. I just wondered how other netters felt about
> private threats when Chris doesn't like what they're saying and can't seem
> to inhibit their speech any other way.

The pot calling the kettle black? Yep, you're also a censor, Fehrenbacher.
See below.

> You don't get it!

Actually, you're not catching a clue. Here's a quarter, call Lee Corso and
see if he has a spare one laying a round.

> That's the price of being a public figure. What I'm crying foul over is the

You're a public figure, too. Deal with it.
 
> Fascist sentiment of those who privately threaten you because they don't 
  ^^^^^^^
> Fascist censors give me the creeps.
  ^^^^^^^
What you're crying foul about is that everyone isn't lining up behind you.
Those that don't are obviously Fascists. Nice debating tactic. It's called
"Poisoning the Well", I believe. You've called me a fascist[1], and that in
response to a public post of mine. May I quote you again? "Mainly because 
Stassen wasn't man enough to complain publicly...". Sounds like one of your
tricks to me.

Note the followups to a more appropriate group...

James

[1]
"I think it's abundantly clear that everything said in this forum is
opinion.
 I wouldn't expect anything buy (sic) Fascist sentiment from a
Southerner.",
 personal communication, james.r.fehrenbacher, Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 
 15:35:45 EST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:19:46 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <C0pDFx.A6F@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
>Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
>Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
>supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
>news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
>some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
>says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
>weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
>San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
>DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.
>
>Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!
>

Shoot the messenger??

John Hajel  

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:29:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.150339.22620@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
|> 
|> Alabama won, I have to admit.  But, I tell you what --
|> I would take Miami in a second in there were to be a rematch.  I STILL think
|> Miami is the better team (although if I were an AP poll voter, I would be
|> reluctantly obliged to vote Miami #1).  

    One positive thing, he has the stones to do what none of the others have;
show his net.face here!  Still, the rest of the paragraph doesn't increase
credibility.  To play devil's advocate here, who do you think would have won in
a FSU/Miami rematch (rhetorical question in light of above assertions)?  Why
would that be any different?

|> I'm usually not a "woofer" (and I sure as hell don't know exactly what a 
|> "woofer" is or what the whole "woo" religion is about), but go to hell 
|> Alabama!!   

    No, we won't *go* there.  We just send defending co-champions there.

|> You better hope we don't see you in the Sugar Bowl next year!

    I have a "tremblin' Wilbury" at the thought of it.

--
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		  "All I need is a pint a day"
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