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From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT.
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:20:43 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

Yan Fang writes:
> 
> I don't think NeXT wants to become a clone manufacturer; they just want to
> sell integrated hardware for their killer environment. Many customers are
> willing to pay a premium price for integrated hardware for a specific
> environment; those customers are generally corporations purchashing
> hundreds of tubes and want the least headache and grief money can buy. On
> the other hand, the horizontal market--home users, small business,
> etc.--wants to minimize cost and is more willing to deal with the
> frustration (joy) of putting together a clone system. Either way, NeXT
> would have it covered by manufacturing Intel-based NeXT hardware.
> 
> -- 
> Yan Fang-Magnusson

I think they're Motorola hardware will start feeling the competition with the  
Intel hardware.  I personally think that they should have a RISC machine.  If  
they go with Intel it's like NeXT comming out with a server.  NeXT is  
promoting their machines as a great client machine.  They're not going in the  
server business, instead they're forming alliances so that NeXT machines work  
with all the servers out there (Auspex, Data General, etc).  Now, here's the  
catch, if their hardware goes Intel then what's gonna happen with Compaq,  
Dell, Epson and other PC makers.  Are they going to support NS?  Will they  
bundle NS with their machines?

It's a tough choice, therefore I think that they are better off with some RISC  
machine.  It'll attract users looking for something much faster than a 486 at  
a good price.

It's going to be very interesting to see what NeXT decides.  To me it smells  
like the Power chip.  I don't know the Power chip very well but being chosen  
by so many companies it smells to me like the Power chip might become some  
kind of Intel 486 chip but faster.  The Power chip will not be single-sourced,  
IBM, Apple, Ford, etc will use it.  We'll see PCs and portables from IBM and  
Motorola using the Power chip.  IBM and Apple will have their OS (OS/2, AIX,  
Pink?, etc) running on these PowerPCs.  That's why I said that the Power chip  
might become some kind of Intel 486.

Boy, hardware is a tough business!

I think Steve would want to come out with some insanely great hardware.  But  
which chip they choose is very important and not an easy decision!  That's why  
it's taking them so long, I guess!

--
Ricardo J. Parada
Pencom Software
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: mahjong email address
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:11:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


Does anyone have an email address for Jean-Marie Bettems, author of
MahJong?

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From:  (slugg jello)
Subject: Lower common denominator (was100 Mips Intel NeXT)
Reply-To: slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Organization: Mouthing Flowers
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.035010.127@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu  
(Philip McDunnough) writes:
> [ ]
> People write to the platform which covers the whole spectrum. Removing the
> DSP, which will probably happen, is yet another mistake in a long list of
> NeXT errors. 

NeXT originally woo'd a lot of people with the ideal of raising the common  
denominator.  Yet they have systematically lowered it (from their original  
lofty position).  Removing the DSP would continue that pattern.  Moving to the  
486 is lowering it as well.  I'm afraid we haven't seen the beginning of how  
far down it will go.  The money guys are in charge at NeXT.  If Steve Jobs is  
the guy with the vision, maybe he should start a new company. :) I would,  
however, be less inclined to take his line with hook and sinker.

> [ ]
>  
> Just one last note. Unix, NS, etc...is not going to capture any significant
> market of the 486 users. They will go with OS/2 or Windows (). The advantages
> just aren't that overwhelming to give up what people are already familiar 
> with.

OS/2 probably won't go far either, for the same reason.  I agree with your  
point about NS, especially when you figure in its higher price.  NeXT I suspect  
is relying on its object technology and ability to run native-Intel software to  
attract those replacing old systems and newcomers who are afraid to purchase  
non-mainstream hardware.  I may be dense, but I don't see the 'compelling'  
argument for the existence of a big market.  All the talking heads are googoo  
over object-oriented OS's.  NeXT (and we) have a big job selling it as a  
cost/benefit win.

> In any case, NeXT will be too busy answering questions as to why the OS 
> doesn't work with peripheral x on the PC. I can just see it now. QEMM, NS 
> version certified.

You wonder why so many talented Microsoft people can't come up with better  
software.  The reason is that they spend a huge proportion of their time trying  
to be backwards compatible with old microprocessors, and because they try to  
support UMPTEEN GILLION different hardware configurations.  The former won't be  
a problem for NeXT (they seem to put much less emphasis on backwards  
compatibility than Microsoft does, and I grudgingly admire that because  
Microsoft has held back the industry for years by pursuing it so stubbornly). 

But the latter will challenge NeXT, big time.  Inevitably it will challenge NS  
developers too.

-- 
Doug Kent
slugg@mouthers.wa.com
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From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki)
Subject: Re: NeXT Music software???
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:40:18 GMT

In article <92348.015546U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Hello -
>
>  Came in late to this thread, but just wanted to offer some old information.
>In the premiere issue of NeXTWORLD there was a three page article about CCRMA
>and their use of NeXT's.  A small section of that article described "Nutation"
>by Glendon Diener (a CCRMA grad student).  For those of you who don't have ac
>cess to that copy of NeXTWORLD, I will transcribe some of the description:

	I've come to the conclusion that Nutation is a phantom app.  It's
even listed in the Spring '92 NeXTonCampus on page 42 (NeXT Public achives)
as available at one of the standard NeXT achive sites.  (Orst and Nova).

	Alex
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: Re: Make BackSpace Work at Login Panel (was: Look for screen saver )
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:32:57 GMT

Greg Colello writes

[wants a screen saver that works in the login panel]

Pixellated Technologies has a screen saver called PixelSaver which is now being  
distributed through Impact Software.  It runs in the login panel and is a  
pretty cool app.  I think it's pretty cheap too.

my two cents for this quarter-second.
-- 
Shawn Broderick
Monitor Company / Information Engineering
Director, BCS NeXT
shawn@monitor.com
From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Converting Mac PS fonts to NeXT?
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:22:33 GMT
Reply-To: enders@bolshoi.uucp
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Gordon Van Huizen writes
> Meta Pro provides conversion to and from many font file
> formats and will generate AFM files. It doesn't create
> ..FONT wrappers and since it runs on a Mac, it can't really
> help with the installation - plus you need a Mac. I haven't
> tried it under Executor. If you use  Meta Pro for any volume
> of fonts, be prepared to do a lot of work by hand to get them
> installed on the NeXT.   
> 
     Meta Pro seems to have a bug building AFM files when converting
from Mac True Type to NeXT Type 1 fonts.  The fault seems to be in the 
space character which *always* gets a width of 122 in the AFM file (and
seemingly in the PS font file as well).  Now, this is *way* too narrow
for a space, and makes using a font difficult, as everything is run
together.  I've tried to tweak the AFM files by hand, but it doesn't
seem to effect the character, but it *does* effect the cursor position
on the screen.

     The bug is indeed unfortunate, since there are several True Type Mac
fonts in PD that beg conversion

Todd     enders@bolshoi.uucp
         uunet!bolshoi!enders
         enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.nodak.edu
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: Postscript Errors produced by ListFonts
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer
Keywords: DPS, ListFonts
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:44:16 PST

The output produced by ListFonts (from sonata) produces some odd errors when
printing pages 4 or 5 (but not others):
(DPSCLE=DPS client library error, ...=date)

... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: setshared ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: scalefont ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: setfont ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: setshared ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: scalefont ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: setfont ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: setshared ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: scalefont ]%%
... next Preview[209]: DPSCLE: PostScript program error, DPSContext 1c878
... next Preview[209]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: setfont ]%%

The postscript file is exceedingly simple, consisting mostly of

54 738 moveto
/Helvetica findfont 9 scalefont setfont
(2. AGaramond-BoldItalic) show
198 738 moveto
/AGaramond-BoldItalic findfont 14 scalefont setfont
(The Quick Brown Fox Jumps Over The Lazy Dog) show

in various forms. (The only item in the file I do not understand is a rectclip
command.) What's going on here?

/ivo welch
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: communication breaker NXFax.1.02
Keywords: Bugs
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:33:19 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1992Dec9.135744.314@aki.en.open.de> peter@aki.en.open.de writes:
>Hey !
>
>This is the really funny NXFax1.02 feature :
>
>> see file NXFaxInstaller.app/After.rtf 
>>
>>Important Note:
>>
>>Before using NXFax, it is very important that any getty processes
>>currently in use on the NXFax serial line be turned off.
>
>Has everyone some hints (a new getty) for me, that I can login
>to my customer who uses NXFax  ?
>
I haven't had to look into this on the NeXT yet, but on my SysV box I
have a modem that normally is set up to receive but switches over to
send, which seems like a similar process.  SysV has init states where
you can identify whether a tty is on or off in that state.  Switching
states handles the problem.  Under SysIII I did not have that and I set
up alternate inittabs which I would copy into the active inittab using a
shell script.

Similar techniques probably will work on the NeXT as long as you are
just talking about sending faxes.  If you must also receive, then I
think you have to establish times when the fax is receiving and times
when the getty is receiveing.  I am assuming here that a calling fax can
tell that it has not connected properly and will try again.  I am also
assuming that you can identify whether the line is use and for waht
before attempting to switch it.

Query, is all fax soft/firmware like this?  It seems to me the modem
should be able to identify whether it is receiving a fax or a dial-in
and do the right thing.  The software on the computer should do the
same.
-- 
Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA         rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us         412-471-5320
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:23058 comp.text.frame:3673
From: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM (Daniel M. Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.text.frame
Subject: Printing tabloid size?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:25:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: medicated.corp.sun.com

Hi --
	Ignore the affiliation -- this is on a NeXT running 3.0 OS / 3.0 Frame.
How can I get output, either in Postscript or tiled on the printer -- on an
11 x 17 document?

	Similarly, are there any service bureaus which will Lino NeXT Frame
documents for me, or do I need to put them in Interchange format? (The problem
is that the file is big enough as to not fit on a disk without compression and
such.)

	When I try to print my 11 x 17 document, no matter which printer I select,
it says it'll only print a portion of the image of each page because the paper's
too small. Even if I try to save the Postscript, it only saves the center 8.5 x 11
inches of the page image! Yike! I have this beautiful document, but no
way to output save to group the whole thing and shrink it by hand and then
blow it up again... sigh.

Any hints appreciated --
Thanks!

---
# Daniel M. Rosenberg        Dan.Rosenberg@Corp.Sun.COM   +1 415 688 9580
# Opinions expressed above aren't Sun's.
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Sun can't print NeXT PostScript
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:53:15 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I mailed a PostScript file (created on a NeXT) to a Sun. The Sun can display
the ps, but they can't print it with a Sun ps printer.

Any ideas?

Randomly, Kelly Cunningham
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<f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> VMS Mail (tolerated)
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From: gkj@jacobs.esd.ornl.gov (Gary K. Jacobs)
Subject: NS486 Confusion
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:46:03 GMT

I am looking into a 486 system for home use that I will be able to  
use NS486 on when it comes out. I thought that this would be a simple  
purchase. Ugh! Now I remember why I abandoned PCs 3 years ago to  
purchase a real NeXT! Trying to spec out a system now that I am  
confident will run NS486 next year is a nightmare. First, it is  
difficult to get a "fact sheet" that is factual about what is needed.  
There are some incredible discussions going on in the intel and ibm  
newgroups about NS486. That is the good news, they certainly are  
aware of it and are interested!. The big discussion right now is the  
Cyrix 486SLC chip versus "real" 486SX & 486DX chips. There is also  
confusion about video cards and bus requirements.

If anyone in NeXT_Land can provide a clear statement about hardware  
requirements for NS486, it would be a huge contribution.

gary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller)
Subject: Re: Load Meter
Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 08:00:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.171638.1206@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>  
aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
> I don't know what /dev/kmem does, so this may cause a security problem.

it is the kernel address space, I don't know if there would be a security
problem, I would be interested.

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From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:24:39 GMT

sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes:
> I guess that everyone misunderstood my question.  I know how to use  
> buildafmdir and cacheAFMData to install new fonts.  I also know about  
> FontInstaller.app from Adobe.  Apparently they do not do exactly the same  
> thing, because after I install fonts with FontInstaller.app, the following  
> directories are created:
> 
> afm
> bitmap
> outline

If you look at those directories, they just contain links over to the files  
in the xxx.font directory of each font.  The only reason for these  
directories, I believe, is that this is the way font's were done in a  
previous release of NeXTSTEP (release 1.0, I imagine).  If you're running  
release 2.x or 3.0, then these three extra directores are not used by  
anything.

The Font installer creates the directories simply in case there's some  
earlier NeXT which will be looking at those fonts.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:26:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.032244.6133@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) writes:
>As far as why they would port NeXTSTEP to Pentium rather than to sexy
			  ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^

	And that was *exactly* the right thing for them to do.  
	But releasing software for a hardware platform is not necessarily
	tied to NeXT releasing the hardware platform themselves.

	Point:  There is no way that NeXT can compete in the 	
	Intel based PC market.  I would be surprised if they 	
	could offer prices competitive with the systems IBM 
	and compaq are shipping these days, let alone the
	Death Clones (tm) coming in from everywhere.

-- 
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 Bottom: What do you see?  You see an ass-head of your own, do you?  
 ---"I despise mystics, they fancy themselves so deep, when they----
 ----aren't even superficial"    --Nietzsche   ---------------------
From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Addison-Wesley NeXT Docs
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:30:46 GMT
	<1992Dec14.191720.5755@chiton.ucsd.edu>
Organization: WayForward Technologies
NNTP-Posting-Host: tar.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl
In-reply-to: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 19:17:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.191720.5755@chiton.ucsd.edu> cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) writes:

> There is no substitute for being able to add ones own notes to a
> book.

O, but there is.  It's called Edit.app :-)

Michael
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:50:10 GMT

In article <92Dec20.195122.18827@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes:

[ ]
>
>> Take a look at the Amiga.  By not loading down the CPU, it's
>> able to make a 68000 look as fast as a 68040 when doing it's
>> fancy graphics/sound demos...
>
>Unfortunately the Amiga graphics and sound hardware is looking a
>little long in the tooth these days.  It certainly reaped an
>advantage for a while, but it VERY difficult to keep special
>purpose hardware up to spec with the latest and greatest general
>purpose.  I'd rather see NeXT put in sockets for a few more CPUs
>and let ME decide what they'll be doing!

People write to the platform which covers the whole spectrum. Removing the
DSP, which will probably happen, is yet another mistake in a long list of
NeXT errors. The Amiga is hardly doing poorly. You might have a look at their
new AGA computer which give you really nice graphics. Very colourful, very
animated, very inexpensive, etc...NeXT has decided to go for solutions to
the short term problems of the world. Quite frankly, having yet another
publishing platform is hardly my idea of a giant leap in man's knowledge
capabilities. Mind you, those apps are needed if only to get people away
from other platforms. The exciting applications involving pattern recognition,
multimedia, desktop video, interpersonal communications, etc....all those
things which the NeXT was meant to address have been put on the back burner
for what? NS486 ( a waste except for the fact that NeXT developers need a 
break), DTP'ing (the Mac does it fine enough), MCA the worst of the lot.
 
There are too many computers floating around. NeXT should stick to its original
plan( in my opinion). One doesn't need to learn yet another OS, and I doubt 
that the real NeXT's will be able to compete with NS486 for the mundane
day to day things. If only we had a decent sequencer (I am aware of Presto),
music notation program with midi conversion, forge ahead with NeXT Mail, mach,
a low cost ND, etc...The NeXt will never compete in the workstation arena.
People who want speed will always go elsewhere. However the NeXt can compete
with the Mac, etc...It should be marketed as a super academic micro. If NeXT
is there to make money then all is lost. If they want to really make a mark 
then there's hope. NS486 will be the beginning of the end of a wonderful
concept.
 
Just one last note. Unix, NS, etc...is not going to capture any significant
market of the 486 users. They will go with OS/2 or Windows (). The advantages
just aren't that overwhelming to give up what people are already familiar with.
In any case, NeXT will be too busy answering questions as to why the OS 
doesn't work with peripheral x on the PC. I can just see it now. QEMM, NS 
version certified.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: ralf@reswi.en.open.de (Ralf E. Stranzenbach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Digital Librarian: how to nroff automatically?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:27:15 GMT
Organization: News Server fuer en.open.de
	<1992Dec12.031911.26762@news.columbia.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: jodokus.en.open.de
In-reply-to: nwc@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:19:11 GMT

>>>>> "Nick" == Nick Christopher <nwc@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

    Nick> Get the lattest BULLETin from the Gotham Users of NeXT for an article
    Nick> on getting DL3.0 to do the things DL2.x did. By the way, this is a
    Nick> plug since I wrote the article :-)

Please, give me a hint, how i can get the BULLETin (via mail) !

	- ralf
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From: laroche@wayne.enst.fr (Jean Laroche )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: X11R5: how to switch to NeXTStep
Keywords: X11R5 Keyboard
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:28:42 GMT

Hi there!

I just installed X11R5 (the free version, mouse'X) on our NEXT machines, and I  
wondered if it was possible to switch from X to NeXTStep (via some command  
stuff).
Does anyone know?

Also, does anyone know how it's possible to use a french keyboard with X  
windows?

Thanks for any help

Jean Laroche
Telecom Paris.