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From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:33:26 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Good luck for the new year.  The new year may need it.


In article <C0I3Fr.4Lq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
(kauta) writes:
>In article <C0HwJJ.DqB@ns1.nodak.edu> varvel@plains.NoDak.edu 
(Andrew Varvel, who is being very patient, writes:

>>Af en toe, katte opgooi haarbals.
>>Af en toe, mense skryf haarbals op die internet.
(Translation:  Sometimes, cats have hairballs.  Sometimes, people write
hairballs on the internet.)
>[.....]
>
>Oh! Plezzzzzz..!!

Apparently, Mr. John Kauta thinks this comment applies to him.  You heard it
from him first!  How can I argue with that?  Finally Mr. John Kauta and I can 
find something to agree on!  8')

>
[ Typical name-calling by Kauta deleted ]

Oh, well.  The Nats had a habit of calling anybody who dared oppose them
"Communist."  Senator Joseph McCarthy would accuse State Department
employees of being card-carrying members of the Communist Party in the
1950's.  It seems that Mr. John Kauta has learned these lessons well, and is
doing a very good job of applying them.  Although the name of censure has
changed, the method has not.

But what else should one expect from a spoiled master like Mr. Kauta?


--Andrew Varvel--

Smile!  You're on soc.culture.african!
From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: AFRICAN SOCCER: WC '94 LATEST RESULTS
Date: 11 JAN 93 22:18:41 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: edison.usask.ca



Date: 11-JAN-1993 07:13:26

Results from WC qualifiers - Africa Groups B & C

Africa Group B

10 Jan   Zaire 1 - Cameroon 2  (rescheduled from Dec 20)

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Cameroon	2 2 0 0  7  1  4    
Zaire		3 1 0 2  5  5  2    
Swaziland	2 1 0 1  1  5  2
Liberia		1 0 0 1  2  4  0

Africa Group C

10 Jan   Angola 1 - Zimbabwe 1  (rescheduled from Oct 25) 

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Zimbabwe	3 2 1 0  4  2  5    
Egypt		3 2 0 1  6  3  4    
Angola		2 0 1 1  1  2  1
Togo		2 0 0 2  1  5  0

Swaziland v. Liberia?

Oguocha

Source: Stephen Halchuk





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From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:43:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1993Jan8.164323.22372
Organization: University of Cape Town
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mark@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
: In the light of this the 
: extremely light sentencing would be considered strange: except in a 
: country where (white) farmers get suspended sentences and fines for
: beating their (black) workers to death, and police routinely torture
: and kill suspects with impunity.

A touch hysterical. Calm down. 

Unfortunately the courts can't rely
on your extensive legal experience. We are very much the poorer
for that.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: csa33@keele.ac.uk (H.S. Nwana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: CAMEROON: Mandat Prsidentiel et Partis Politiques
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:42:41 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

I really have been impressed to read some of the top-rate discussions going on
on this net by Cameroonians from diverse geographical locations and 
backgrounds making valuable contributions towards a common goal: the
betterment of our problem-ridden fatherland. Viban, poppi, mana et al: you are
all patriots and deserve praise, unlike our so called good-for-nothing
leaders back home.

However, I had the fortune of reading through the Cameroon Constitution not so 
long ago; believe me, I was impressed, despite my initial unbiased scepticism.
That document is commendable but has been flagrantly abused.

Cameroon has one major problem: it is called Biya. In Cameroon Biya = System.
Incredible, but true. The previous problem died: Ahidjo!

One of the most important of the checks and balances that we should primarily
and frantically work on is one WHICH WILL NEVER (EMPHASIS ON NEVER) allow
anyone, no matter how much support he/she musters, no matter whether he/she
is a Fru Ndi or even the Pope WIELD TOTAL POWER, control all the machinery of 
government, the judiciary, army, etc. Cameroonians should ensure first that Biyais the last so-called leader to have such authority.

I really do believe, with this apparently simple stroke, much of our woes
will be dispensed of.

God Bless Cameroon and Happy New Year to all of you my compatriots.

Hyacinth Nwana
UK
From: 8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:03:51 +0200
Organization: University of Stellenbosch

In article <1993Jan7.214915.6616@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>, gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
> 
> Moreover the security guard was convicted in court (a light sentence
> if I remember correctly). Headman had something like 0.21 alchohol in
> his blood. (Jesus!) There was no premeditation by the sec. guard etc.
> 
If I remember correctly, he received a sentence which entailed "house
arrest", whereby he would not actually be imprisoned.

Also there's the case of the (well off) Boland farmer who killed a labourer with
a pick handle.....he also received a light sentence, and on top of that
a major crop insurance firm paid his legal fees if I remember correctly.
I guess the saying "money doesn't talk....it swears" is true.

No doubt you feel that the sentences were just. I wonder why that does
not fill me with optimism for the future.


James                                         *******************
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                                              * A D V I S O R Y *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.native
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: One Settler, One Bullet
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:36:23 GMT

In article <C0M149.HKs@ns1.nodak.edu> varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) writes:
>
>Mr. John Kauta, do you truly support the Pan Africanist Congress's policy of
>One Settler, One Bullet?

Mr. RednecKKK, do you truly support the Apartheid legacy of one bantu one
grave?? Er....Make that ten bantus one grave??

>Mr. John Kauta, do you truly believe that people should be killed if they
>are not indigenous?

Mr. RednecKKK, do you truly believe that people should be oppressed if they
are not white?

>Speak up!

What?? You are a very rude person, Mr. RednecKKK. Decorum..dignity..nobility..
humanity...that's what you need.

kauta


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From: ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High)
Subject: Re:  Martin Luther King Jr. and the Prophets of Israel
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:52:00 GMT


The soc group for African-Americans is called soc.culture.african.american



Egyirba 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: DANREBO@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Dan Reboussin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Money matters in Mali, Niger,Togo, etc
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:46:43 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <1992Dec29.021914.23614@nuscc.nus.sg>
matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes) writes:
 
>
>I understand that several countries in West Africa use a common currency
>related to the French franc. Can anyone explain to me how that works?
(Stuff deleted)
I spent some time in Senegal, and dealt with the CFA franc there.  It is
valued at 50 CFA = 1 FF, and so remains constant relative to Fr. francs.
I'm no economist, but my impression is that it has a stabilizing effect.
There was, notably, *not* a currency black market there as opposed to, say,
Guinea Bissau.  I think the more western version and Cameroun et al. version
have little or no practical differences.  CFA is "communite financiere
Africaine."  This would, IMHO be an interesting topic for the group to pursue.
For example, what are the costs and benefits of this system for Africans?
 
DANIEL REBOUSSIN, COLLECTIONS MANAGEMENT DEPT., UF LIBRARIES
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From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Mweene's Anti-Semitism
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:49:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1993Jan12.154943.2877
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
: In article (Bill Ross) writes:
: >        Robert D. Kaplan , _New Republic_, Dec 28 1992
: 
:   Please desist from quoting this ill informed racist Jewish magazine here.
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Another slip from none other than Mwop Mweene. Bigot extroadinaire!
Not being Jewish myself, I pass this on. Can we arrange for
Mweene to be deported to Lebanon too? 

Sigh, pity. Maybe Liberia?

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Federalism (was Re: CAMEROON:....)
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:38:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1993Jan8.123801.18732
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
: Thanks for the reading list. I'll see what I can get from the
: library, although a title like "SA and the Consociational Option"
: doesn't inspire me with great confidence.
: 
: Does this mean that you support a "federal" option for South
: Africa. Perhaps you could elaborate on how you would see this
: work in practice, while I brush up on my theory.

No I do not support federation, but for rather different reasons.
Rather I have misgivings about it.

I do support power-sharing and consociation (in some form). I
do not support "winner takes all" systems in ethnically
divided societies, including Cameroon. The merits of federation
in this scheme depend on the correlation between geography 
and ethnicity. In SA this is not very great, except intra-black,
which is the strongest argument in its favour. 

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: ANGOLA: The govt decides to give war a chance...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:14:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <C0puw8.7Ip@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>
[...]
>
>   Angola's Rebels, Government Clash   
>     In Field And Over Airwaves        
>                 ---
>    LUANDA, Angola - Rebels said Monday
>they attacked government forces in
>three provincial capitals, killing
>hundreds of government soldiers.
>    The government denied the report.
>    Rebel radio said UNITA rebels
>attacked Luena, Kuito and Huambo at   <-----------N
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^              o
                                                   t
>dawn Monday with heavy artillery.                 e
>    The radio station said UNITA forces           
>captured Kuito, 200 miles southeast of            t
>Luanda.                                           h
>    There was no way to independently             e 
>check the report.                                 
>    The government claimed over the               c
>weekend that its forces seized Huambo,            o
>the town where UNITA had its headquar-            n
>ters.                                             t
>    But rebel leader Jonas Savimbi, in            r
>a recorded announcement on rebel radio,           a
>said he continued to command UNITA from  <--------d
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           i
>Huambo, 300 miles southeast of Luanda.            c
^^^^^^^^                                           t
>    The government's military chief of            i
>staff, Gen. Joao de Matos, denied                 o
>UNITA's claims to have attacked the               n
>three towns.























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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:06:51 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Joseph Shabalala's *brother*, who was also a member of Ladysmith Blck
Mambaza, is the one who was shot.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: ANC Disrupt DP meetings
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:29:11 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:

: Gavan you shouldn't call yourself a savage, that would be a great insult
: to real savages :-) :-)

Ooh, I'd like to savage you.

All over
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:49:15 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham) writes:
: > Now, I think I'm confused. Sometime last year, I read an article, probably
: > here that Jospeh Shabalala was shot dead by a cop in J'berg. The article 
: > said he was driving home one night when a cop stopped him and shot him in
: > the head. The cop supposedly claimed he thought Shabalala was trying to
: > look or draw a gun...
: 
: > Was that article a hoax?
: 
: No. But it wasn't Joseph, it was his brother, Headman. I think it was a private
: security guard, not a cop, and I think it was in Natal, not J'burg. And it was
: in late 1991 (just before Paul Simon's visit to SA), not last year.

Moreover the security guard was convicted in court (a light sentence
if I remember correctly). Headman had something like 0.21 alchohol in
his blood. (Jesus!) There was no premeditation by the sec. guard etc.

Yikes! No doubt the ineffable kauta-kabouter will rear his 
pointed head here again. 

KKKKKKKKKKKKauta.
First known instance of typing impediment, strangely confined to the
letter KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.native
Subject: Re: One Settler, One Bullet
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:10 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C0nqsH.C7p@ns1.nodak.edu>, varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) writes...
> 
> 
>If Mr. John Kauta truly believes in the policy of One Settler, One Bullet, I
>have deep condolences for him.  He is sitting on and profitting from land
>that was stolen from my Shawnee ancestors.  He is lucky that I do not follow
>that philosophy.  I do hope that no one else does either.  
> 
>I am resolutely against apartheid.  However, when one looks at the meaning
>of the term, it means "separation" (essentially, forced separation).  Many
>injustices were done under apartheid, such as the forced separation of
>people from the land.  Its aim was to deflect allegiances of people.  It 
>seems to have worked, by making people angry.  Genocide is wrong no matter
>who does it.
> 
>To combat the lingering injustices that have been going on in various
>places, it is important to learn other peoples' languages and try to
>understand where they come from.  It helps to put one's self into somebody
>else's shoes in order to understand how an impasse may be solved.
> 
>Mr. John Kauta is profitting (for example, he gets to post from Indiana) 
>from being on land stolen from my Shawnee ancestors in a movement that
>came to be called "Manifest Destiny."  Should I shoot him for it?  No.  The
>way to correct injustice is not through revenge, but an understanding that
>we are all mortal.  
> 
>When faced with an oppressor, one can too easily turn to rudeness.  Even the
>greatest men, when faced with oppression, could be rude.  That is human.
>Those who can be patient under great pressure are people who are to be
>admired.
> 
>I tell the truth as I see it.  I am scrupulous about being honest.  Those
>who get hurt if the truth is ever told to them about what is really going on
>are those who lie to themselves.  When faced with those who use lies in an
>attempt to silence criticism ( a typical Nat trick, BTW ), what should one
>do?  If one is honest, the truth shouldn't hurt.
> 
>I wonder what Mr. John Kauta feels like knowing that he is, by his own
>definition, an oppressor.  How does it leave him.............cold?
> 
> 
>--Andrew Varvel--

From White Horse Running via lib1p@jetson.uh.edu


Mr. Varvel,

It is statements like the one you have just made that increase my admiration
and respect for native peoples and their ways of life.  It would have been
real easy for you to reply with the same violence that Mr. Kauta seems bent
on perpetuating.  That you didn't speaks volumes about how noble a people
where here before "Americans" were.  


From Tammy


Mr. Varvel,

I too must echo this sentiment.  However I feel that ALL peoples are capable
of such nobility.  If only they seek from within.  Blessed Be.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: Federalism (was Re: CAMEROON:....)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:55:44 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
: Federalism is often touted as a solution to governing ethnically
: diverse societies. Is there any evidence anywhere in the world that
: federalism is a good way of dealing with ethnic/cultural/linguistic
: tensions? (The only success story I can think of is Switzerland, but
: I don't know enough about Swiss history to say whether this is a good
: example)

Really Scott, you should read a little more. 

You might try:

Donald Horowitz, A Democratic South Africa (oxford, 1991),
or Ibid, Ethnic groups in conflict (1986)
or Arend Lijphart Democracy in Plural Societies (1977)
or Ibid, Power Sharing in South Africa
or D McRae (ed) Consociational Democracy (1973?)
or LJ Boulle SA and the Consociational Option (1984)
etc etc etc.

Gavan Tredoux
FACCS Lab
UCT
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: Mweene's Anti-Semitism
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:55:55 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
 
: P.S Since you prescribe to deporting people, How about Africans starting
: to deport non indegenous people from the African continent.  Starting with
: the White South Africans.
: :-) :-)

Come 'n get us. After all, I do remember large numbers of
Asians being kicked out of the East Coast a while back. 

Good luck

Glad to be a deportee ...
(add in favourite Woody Guthrie chorus)

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Help finding internet addresses
From: helpdesk@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:00:22 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

	Hi there,

I'm a student consultant at the Wesleyan University Computing Center. A grad
student in biology sent a request for email addresses for the University of
Nairobi and the International Lab for Research on Animal Diseases, also in
Nairobi, Kenya. I have been unable to find any sort of internet address for
these two places- is there anyone out there who happens to know either address?
He didn't specify what department he wanted the address for at the University
of Nairobi, so I'll assume he wants the biology department email address.
Anyone's help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

                                                           Adrienne D. Fargas
                                                           WCC Helpdesk 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: a redneck's 12 days of Christmas
Keywords: topical, smirk
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:05:48 GMT

Forwarded from rec.humor.funny. It reminded me of somebody *WE* know..:-) :-)


In article <S4c8.10d2@looking.on.ca> ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) writes:
>
>Heard 12/22 on a Greensboro, NC, radio station; attributed to Randy
>and the Rednecks.
>
>
>On the nth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
>
>12 pack of Bud,
>11 wrasslin' tickets,
>tin of Copenhagen,
>9 years probation,
>8 table dancers,
>7 packs of Red Man,
>6 cans of Spam,
>5 flannel shirts,
>4 mud-grip tires,
>3 shot-gun shells,
>2 hunting dogs,
>and some parts to a Mustang GT.
>
[.......]
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