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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Deep Thoughts about the Horse, the Car
Date: 5 Nov 1992 15:42:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1da575INN3cv@bigboote.WPI.EDU, mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan) writes:
>>
>	huh??? you can countersteer a horse??? i would like to see that!!! and
>	the pillion rider bit too!

Absolutely.

One way to train a plough-reined horse to neck-rein is to cross the
reins under his neck.  Thus pulling both reins to the right will pull
the left rein the furtherest, which is connect to the right side of the
bit, which pulls his head to the right.

Look right, push right, lean right (a little bit), go right.

Look up "pillion."  It applied to horses before motorcycles were
thunked up.

For the equestrian-challanged:
plough-rein:  steer the horse as if he was pulling a plough;  hold the
reins separately, pull the right one to to right, the left one to go
left, both to stop.
neck-rein:  steer the horse with both reins in one hand, and pull that
hand in the direction you want the horse to go.

(you can also use your legs, but that doesn't realate to countersteering)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GTS1000A gripe
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:50:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: os-d.marcl.721428642
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>Why the f*** can't they put hard luggage brackets on a $16k bike?

First, the GTS1000A is only a $13k bike in the US.  Second, neither the
sales brocure nor any of the 5 motorcycle magazine articles `previewing'
the bike have stated with authority that it doesn't have hidden luggage
bracket mounts.  I've even heard a rumor (from a Yamaha dealer) that Yamaha
itself plans to offer accessory hard luggage and mounts.

>My hat goes off to BMW, who builds the option of lockable storage into 
>everything they make.

For a (steep) price!  The K1100RS will reportedly cost more than the
GTS1000A and you still have to pay extra for the luggage.  The GTS1000A and
the ST1100 both offer (small) lockable storage compartments, plus the under-
the-seat storage.

>You can't put hard bags on an FJ, a TDM or a ZX-11, or on a GTS!

Not true.  The GTS1000A was designed for the European market, where I've
heard there is already one luggage manufacturer who's announced they will
offer aftermarket hard bags for the GTS1000A.

>The manufacturers come up with these wonderful riding machines but make it
>a pain in the ass for people who really want to use them. The real world of
>commuting and grocery shopping requires a clock and some reasonable storage
>space. My next bike will have both.

I agree about the clock and storage space (and how'bout a gear indicator?).
The ST1100 meets those criteria nicely, but is seriously HEAVY.  I expect
the GTS1000A to be at least 150 pounds lighter, which is still heavy for a
sport touring bike.  But then, even the BMW K-bikes are heavy, so maybe
weight and sport touring have been deemed to belong together by the
manufacturers...
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@hela.ISC-BR.COM
22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9534   |  "Nature bats last..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: R100GS final drive trouble
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:03:40 GMT

In article <9901075@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
>The Paralever has a dry swingarm and dry driveshaft. 

Really?  No fluid at all, you mean?  Howzat?

>Phil says he's seen gunky drive oil. That's enough for me, but without
>that bit of reasonably trustworthy info, I would subscribe to
>(1) sabotage and (2) stupidly directed water flow on the bike. In that
>order. 

Mind you, I've been talking about practical *immersion* of the breather
bolts, that's how extreme the conditions were that I was riding in last
winter.  People need not post any more anecdotes about riding in the
rain once or twice with no shaft fluid degradation, ok?  One might also
be aware of this potential concern if you have taken your bike through
a deep stream recently.  Right, Hesh?

>Anybody know where the transmission breather is?

Hmm, I'm not sure there is one.  I think my tranny fluid was contaminated
through the speedo cable, from sitting out in the rain night after night,
not from the extreme riding.

>Ron


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: British rides
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:20:55 GMT

In article <1e0i62INN6eo@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 40937@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe) writes:
>>In article <1drdatINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>
>>>In most states in the US, statutory rape laws forbid consentual sex
>>>with any minor female (ie, under 18), and one can obtain a motorcycle
>>>license at ~16.
>>>
>>ed, ed, ed.  you are projecting in a most seriously disturbing way here.
>>Let me remind you that if both partners are minors, the statutory rape
>>laws are silent. 
>
>mike, mike, mike.  you don't know what you are talking about.  Let me
>assure you that statutory rape laws concern the age of the female
>only.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,

Ahem. My seester was at a party with her boyfriend. he = 17. she = 18.
Cops busted in. She was charged w contributing to the sexual
delinquincy(sp) of a minor. Mind you this is late 60's.
No it wasn't the one that is now a cop.
FYI
 
================================================================================
 Ipsissimus of the Inner Order of Sesquipedalian Fruitcakes 
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: RE: Steering Geometry
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:01:22 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Nov7.163145.2495@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> 	I also noticed that the forks had air valves in the top of them.
> I was curious to know what the accepted procedure is for setting this up.

  Until you start bottoming out, dont put any gas in them.  When my bike
  has been sitting in the garage for a while, I'll release pressure of
  what ever gas has built up in the tubes.

  I wish I knew a lot more about setting up the compression and rebound
  so I could fool with it more, but I'd sure hate to set it up the wrong
  way that would provoke a dangerous situation.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From:  (dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com)
Subject: Re: 4 Stroke Supertrapp question
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:24:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In article <4164@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, ames@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Wes
Ames) wrote:
> 
> I have been considering winter time projects on my 1984 Honda
> XR200.  I have put up with hard starting and a tendency to
> foul plugs for long enough (I've had the bike for two years).
> So, I thought I would go with a better (than stock) air filter,
> and re-jet the carbs (I'm wondering if a previous owner had
> changed jets for power, and created the plug fouling).  
> 
> Then, a local bike shop suggested the Supertrapp exhaust, and the
> addition of extra plates to become more free-flowing.  The 
> extra plates would require new jets (or it would run lean),	
> but since mine is running rich, I could tune the exhaust much
> easier than changing jets.
> 
> My question is Has anyone else tried this??  It sounds good on      
> paper, but I would like to hear if anyone has tried this!
> 
> The bike is bored  and the heads are polished.  All in all it
> has been a good ride except for the fouling and starting difficulty.
> Any suggestions for Air Filter and Winter project Modifications 
> will be welcome!
> 
> Wes Ames                    |
> ames@bcstec.ca.boeing.com   |    This space reserved for clever saying
>                             |

Hey Wes. . .  I have a 1991 XR-600 and have modified the airbox, installed 
a Supertrapp changed jets etc. etc. etc... Since my brother roasted his
XR-600 engine in a race last May, I have been VERY interested in the setup
of my bike.  I got some help from the people in this group, local shops, 
and friends so here is the scoop from my experience:
The Supertrapp sounds and looks GREAT, is lighter than the stock muffler
and
does seem to improve the airflow somewhat.  A bigger change in air flow was

noticed when I took the noise/air restriction "thingy" off of the air box,
put two 1 inch air box vents in, and changed to a UNI air filter.  These
changes necessitated a jet change.  The general consensus on 4 stroke
jetting
is this: if the bike is pinging under heavy loads (like climbing tough
hills)
and/or the plug has a white look to it after running it hard...  you are
running too lean so you need a bigger jet  ---- if the bike hesitates on
big
amounts of throttle (more than usual) and/or cuts out in whoops and/or the
plug 
is blackish after a hard  ride...  you are running too rich so you need a
smaller jet.  The best plug color is a chocolate brown. This stuff is VERY
hit and miss and takes a lot of screwing around with.
Changing the main jet is really for the top end of the throttle range. 
There
are air screw, needle, etc. settings for the idle and low speed circuits of
the carburator.  The jets are really easy to change.
I run 14 disks in the SuperTrapp.  This makes the machine fairly quite at 
idle but still gives a great roar when on the throttle!  Your mileage may
vary
...  Good Luck...    >|)

David P. Lawrence       BDM International             1991 XR-600
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: helmet 4 sale
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:07:20 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <308.2B0077F0@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, Joseph.Cascio@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (Joseph Cascio) writes:
> I have a Beioffee(sp) helmey and misc riding gear for sale. The helmet is like new. Med size NO HARD HITS!  ( Istoped riding because of my arm)
                    ^^
  Don't worry about the spelling.  I have enough trouble trying to 
  pronounce it.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: 82 XL250
From: JJ Serowik <JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:03:16 EST
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University

Guys, guys, guys, It's not that bad of a trail bike!  I own one, have
ridden it since 1985 when I was 13.  It is overweight big time, the
power isn't all that great, but the damn thing is as reliable as a
hammer.  Never had the engine apart!  I don't have a great maintenance
record for it and it still runs as good as the day I bought it!  I took
took a tooth off of the front, from a 14 to a 13(or 15 to a 14) I don't
remember exactly which.  I have NEVER repeat NEVER had a problem starting
it or gotten stuck with it.  Ooops, I forgot one.  I did get it stuck
once, but two feet of pond silt with two feet of water will sink
damn near any bike.  I live in Pennsylvania, and It snows here once in
a while, and the bike makes a pretty good snowbike:)  Well, take my opinions fo
r what they're worth(Not very much) and good luck to ya!,
                                                          Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: Re: moto-workouts
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:26:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.143330.787@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>
>  I think this might hinder me as well.  This isn't the first time I've
>  heard that massiveness uses more energy.
>
Yep, I think it's better to have small wiry muscles.  Look at any endurance
athlete.  I'd guess that the muscle wouldn't be such a hinderance in short
motocross races, but for cross country it ain't the going thing.  Look at
the difference between a sprinter and a marathoner.
>
>  Last Sunday I wanted to ride faster, but after the trip we made to the 
>  swamp in the back I didn't have any forearms left.  When I finally mounted
>  your KX250 I only had enough arms left to putt around.  Really depressing.

Don't feel too bad, that MX track at Dowdy really takes a lot of energy to
go fast through all that chop.  It's definately the roughest track I've 
been on.
>  I kind of thought about getting one of those hand-grip gadgets to work on
>  at work.  As a matter of fact I just pulled a tennis ball out of my desk
>  drawer.  Hey I'll work on that for a while!

I think that doing that along with a bunch of reverse wrist curls would be
the thing for motocross forearms.

>  Ok, I'll go one step further..  Mike!  Your'e a freak of nature! :-)
>  We've got to pour more beer into that guy and fatten him up a bit.

That's it.  He does slow down pretty fast when you put some of that high
octane homebrew in his tank after the ride.  Lightweight :)

Andy
________________________________________________________________________
That which does not kill me...
                 ...really makes me appreciate a good beer when I'm done.
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: KX250/500
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 07:52:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In Article <1992Nov6.001024.15302@spdc.ti.com>, baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:

> Wierd George, that's why I like you. :-)

	You come a boner on me mate and I'll deck ya!
> 
> You have got to be kidding.  All I have ever herd is that the KX500 is a
> steady bike that gets better suspension every year.  Doesn't the '90 KX
> have USD forks.  Andy's '89 KX250 turns extreamly well and is not the greatest
> in the stability catagory.  

	The USD forks on the '90 KX500 suck when compared to the '88 250
	conventional forks. I still can't get the USD fork's action right
	without too much harshness. I think they don't flex enough (now
	this sounds wierd..). The 250's forks have a bit of "give" in them
	and when pounding into a rut or off camber tree roots etc, they
	are sturdy enough to not flex everywhere and keep pointing in the
	right direction, but not too much to transfer these knocks to the
	bars and bike.
> 
> >I want to give the bike a go this weekend in the last round of the
> >Victorian Enduro series, but the rest of the family wants to go camping by
> >the beach instead. Wonder who'll win....
> >
> 
> Hmmmm. That's a hard one.  Anyone giving odds?

	Don't bother....I lost.

	Cheers
	George C.
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Pittsburgh Used Dirt Bike Parts
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:55:05 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization:  

Hi,

	I was just at Adam's Cycle Salvage in Murraysville, PA (near
Pittsburgh) looking for my YZ forks.  They had like 3 pairs of possibilities
there.  The shop seemed really clean and organized, and seemed to have
their act together.  On the other hand, their prices are a bit steep, but
the parts seem like they are pretty much mint.

	Yinz 'burghers looking for used dirt bike parts might want to check
it out.

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)

From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:39:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Need 84/85 Honda XR250R parts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, jdunham@pdx.mentorg.com (Jeff Dunham) writes:

>   I want to put dual carburators on my 1992 XR250R.  I am looking for

I'm sure that others will ask this question as well, but Why?  The dual
carb on the big bore I can understand.  My XR600 with a single carb will
never carburate as smooth as my old dual-carb XR500, nor will it get
anywhere near the mileage.  

I always thought that the dual carb on the 250 was overkill.  I didn't
think that the benefits outweighed the added complexity.  Do you expect a
significant performance increase with dualies? 

I found horror stories about the complexity of dual carbs to be grossly
exaggerated.   Sure, jetting was a little more difficult, but I never
encountered any kind of reliability problems.  In fact, I've had more
problems on the trail with my single carb. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
It's not how fast you get there, but how you get there fast.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: bored-out-of-my-skull <clane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: re: Andy's Story
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:20:32 GMT


Andy.....

	I had i suppose a similar experience (actually 2 but the first one i
told last year about the first hill i ever tried to climb, and going strait
into a washout ditch, and repeating just about the same moves u did.... cept
my friends were laughing the hardest......"haha  Look at the newbeee!!")

	Ok so this one goes......  A few months ago i was riding around at a
weekend party.  In the summer i do landscaping, and my foreman (now a great
friend) has 47 acers of land.  There is a Creek running right thru his front
yard, its about 7 feet across max and about 4 feet deep.
	I dont favor riding hard while intoxicated, but i had my bike this
weekend as simple transportation to the house if anyone needed to go there
from the campsite.  So in other words....the beer was flowin pretty good.
	I was puttin around the yard and riding down into the creek, down
about 30 yards and coming back out, just slow simple fun.  My friend
(foreman) Ben was doing it as well.  

	Then it happened.  He dared me to jump the creek.

	My plan was to get the front wheel up and go off a drop off onto a
sloped bank on the other side.  So I approach and then stop several times,
and then go for it.
	I dont know if i dint have the speed, or didnt hit the throttle or
the clutch or what...... it was all a blur (i wasnt even SLIGHTLY intoxicated
so it wasnt even the beer)....................The next thing i know i am
stuck directly in the sloped bank, front wheel up to the axle kinda stuck,
sprawled and twisted in the handle bars............
	I laughed, eveyone laughed........it must have been funny cuz eveyone
who was watching was laughing and rolling on the ground.

Story 2 (short)
	It rained later that night, and i took someone down the hill and left
them there, then went back to the campsite.  It was pouring rain, and it was
dark under all the trees,  I pull to a stop, throw down the kickstand, lean
over, and my foot and the stand drop into a rut that was invisible in the
darkness and i topple over in the rain and mud.

	me.......... " Help i'm stuck...."
	Them	     " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAA"
	me	      "I'm serious............"
	Them	     " HAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHA AHAHHAHAHAHAHHA "

	So then someone comes over to help me and he falls in a mud puddle

	everyone	"HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHA!"

later

later               Sponsered by: Chuck's Bar, Barbeque, Bed and Breakfast
chuck!                              "Breakfast is FREE at my restaurant!"
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: <None>
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:40:33 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization:  

Hi,

	I finally got to try out my new Uni-Cross Metzlers on my XT.
I have to say that I'm pleased.  There is no comparison in the dirt between
these and an IRC GP1.  These seem to have real knobbies, where as the GP1
seems very much a dual-sport tire (sucks in the dirt).

	There is no DOT number on the Uni-X, but it doesn't say "not For
Highway Use" either.  Instead it says NFS, which may be German for
"Not For Highway Use", I suppose :-)  The street use I put them to was about
15 miles or so.  I got most of the feelers off the rear tire, but the
front one has some work to go yet.

	These tires look illegal, so you may want to keep your old stockers
for inspection day.

	Just starting out of the garage, I decided to try a power wheelie,
which turned into a very slight power slide.  As I could have expected from
a new tire.  Once a squid, always a squid, I guess.  After riding around
today, though, I tried this again.  Nice lofted front end.  It seems to
flick into corners pretty well, but I won't push as hard with this kind of
tire, at least not for a while.  Streetability seems good.  I'm not sure
I want to try them in rain just yet.

	Anyway, I did show up briefly at the Toys for Tots Hare Scramble
in E. Palestine, OH and spectated, and was fully intending to check out
Mike Sturdevant's XT, but I snatched up a great deal on a pair of motocross
boots (now all I need is a real dirt bike).  Then I watched people run around
on their bikes and just had to go for it myself.  So I went home.  It was
so sunny, I just had to strap on these boots and the rest of the gear and
run around on the slagheaps, conveniently located in my neighborhood of
the city :-)

	The tires seem to be a help on a bike that, in the dirt, needs all
the help it can get.  Traction is much improved over the GP1's, but now I
can't blame as much of the bike's handling on the tires.  In fact, I don't
think I'll try to modify the suspension after all.  I think I'll just save
my money and buy a real dirt bike (much later).  The XT is a great ratbike -
cheap, ugly, and fun, not to mention loud, but I'm definitely starting to
lust for more performance.

	Anybody know when YZ125's started coming out with disc brakes
and monoshocks ?  Actually, just monoshocks, who needs brakes :-)

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)