HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning round)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Keywords: waffle, qwk, mail, offline
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:30:36 GMT
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana

In article <Bz4LCn.J28@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
>jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning round) writes:
>>> If I remember, plans were made to port it to UNIX as well, but it hasn't
>>> happened as yet...
>
>>I made some noises about this a year or so ago, and actually started
>>on it, but gave it up.  The code was a mess to port, and QWKmail isn't
>>well suited to Usenet.  It also wasn't (and still isn't) clear how
>
>(I'm adding to the distribution of your original message because I've
>seen a lot of people interested in offline readers for UNIX, but not 
>much in the way of answers ...  )
>
>Paul Buder (paulb@techbook.com) had gotten pretty far into porting
>Wafline, but got stopped by circumstances a while ago.  Especially with
>QWK2 looming on the horizon, if it's not here already, there doesn't 
>seem to be as much point in finishing Wafline to work with QWK.  QWK,
>like XMODEM, Kermit and echomail, is a "quick hack" that become popular
>beyond the designer's dreams.  Many people who've designed standards
>have said they would have put a lot more care into them if they'd had
>any idea that it was going to <become> a standard.
>
>From what I've heard of offline readers, they sound pretty nice.
>However I don't think there's any substitute for using your favorite
>editor to send messages.  If you're used to using WordPerfect, it's
>unlikely that even the slickest editor is going to satisfy you.  You're
>not going to have a thesaurus, your spell-checker, your macros, etc. in
>an offline-reader.

[james goes on with more description and several shell scripts]

This is fine and well, but consider two things:

1) Most of the various off-line readers I've seen allow you to use
your favorite editor (although many of them include an editor that
fits well with the off-line reader).

2) One good point of an off-line reader, at least for the user, is
having a user interface for reading and posting as good as or better
than can be found on the host system.  Your scripts don't address
that.

-- 
John Hood, Marlboro student and non-smoker-- Marlboro VT
jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us
From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle, mutual coexistence IS possible!
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:38:24 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:

> abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
> 
> -> Ages ago, I obtained a shareware editor designed for this purpose.  I
> -> was surprised that I still have it on disk!  I tried it when RBBS still
> 
> ->                                Remote Text Editor
> ->                                        by
> ->                                  Richard Smith
> -> 
> 
> Sounds good.  I'd love to check it out.
> Do you have a mail server or the ability to put it up on simtel or
> Halcyon?

Sorry, no.  But do try to contact the author. Maybe his BBS is still
on-line. (Did I included his BBS number in my reply?)

>  eoin@xocolatl.com  |
>  GEnie: J.Snyder18  |
>  CI$:   70313,3111  |
>  Prodigy:  NOT!!!!  |

If all your resources fail, I could upload it to CIS.


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning round)
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:03:44 GMT

In article <sXiqVB5w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
>jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning roun writes:
>
>> In article <yogNVB19w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) wr
>> 
>> >In the time being, what is wrong with using RNEWS format batches for
>> >off-line reading of Usenet news and mail? It is by definition compatible
>> >with any system platform which handles news. All that is lacking is an
>> >existing off-line reader software base, because the application of such
>> >a reader is relatively new.
>> 
>> By definition, that's not off-line reading.  If you're sending rnews
>> batches and mail, you have to set up a complete usenet site, along
>> with mail addressing, polling, and what not.  Off-line reading
>> releives the user of the burden of setting all this up, because it
>> simply scarfs stuff up from an already-existing host system, with mail
>> addressing, news queueing and storage, and Stuff.
>
>It's not, huh? Even under Wafmail, a user can select RNEWS format
>articles, and then try to read the thing off-line using something
>like READMAIL.

At least I think it's not.  I don't think grubbing through a newsgroup
or echo without some kind of net software is convenient or even worth
the bother.  I would describe an offline reader as some kind of
software that conveniently handles reading messages and replying to
them, relying on the connectivity and addressability of a remote host,
and intended for a single user.  An offline reader system also allows
for downloading selected batches of messages on an irregular basis,
and doesn't require regular polling, like a UUCP system.

Waffle/DOS doesn't meet that criterion; nor does downloading messages,
reading them, hand-crafting replies, and uploading them into a BBS.

The format of rnews batches would work OK for downloading messages to
an off-line reader, but doesn't handle the problem of uploaded news or
mail, which must pick up some new headers and whatnot at the remote
host.  And software that produces rnews batches now is oriented
towards uucp feeds, and not towards interactive selection and capture
of message batches.

But then, what's 'READMAIL'?

  --jh
-- 
John Hood, Marlboro student and non-smoker-- Marlboro VT
jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Bad header
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:37:28 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

nguyen@spectrx.saigon.com (nguyen duong) writes:

> steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
> 
> > Indeed.  I changed my BNU buffers sizes to 4096, as you suggest, primarily
> > in an attempt to increase throughput.  It didn't work, but as a side effect
> > it seems to have cleared up the bad header problem.
> >
> > As someone else suggested, increasing background slice to 250 may help, as
> > well.

False alarm.  I still get bad headers, but not as often.

]...[
 
> Please explain a little bit more about background slice!

Sorry.  Computer jargon.

By slice I mean foreground/background priority.  In Windows priority is
relative.  Setting bg for one application to 100 and another to 50 does not
necessarily mean that the first will get twice as much CPU as the second.
Any TSRs you have running will get their slice, plus anything else you
have running will get their piece.

For example, suppose you have five applications running with a 100 bg
priority.  Each will get 20 percent of the CPU.  If you up all five to
200, they still will only get 20 percent of the CPU.  If four are running
at 100 and one is running at 400, then the latter (theoritically) will get
half the CPU time.  If you double the figures (4@200, 1@800) the effect
will be the same.

> You said, you dropped to 19.2. What did you drop?

I dropped the modem<-->computer rate.

s

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
From: root@rebell.rmt.sub.org (Gottfried Hamm)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Better news processor for waffle?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 00:36:24 MEZ
Reply-To: root@rebell.rmt.sub.org (Gottfried Hamm)
Organization: rebell * +49 6249 8842 * D-6524 Guntersblum

nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:

> I would like to know if there are tools for waffle that have better
> news and mail processing than waffle. Waffle seems a bit primitive.
> A nice UIF (mouse?) would be preferable.
> 

Hi Nico,

there are a lot of News- and Mailreaders that will be good for you.
I know the rwreader which is a nn-like news-reader or the rusnews, which
is a threaded news-reader. A very good mail-reader (fullscreen) is rwmail.
Anyone can download these files in REBELL (Phone +49 6249 8842). You can
also request it by mailing to

     archive-server@rebell.rmt.sub.org

with the following in the body of the mail:

     /GET /public/dos/dfue/bbs/waffle/nn280.zoo

and you'll get it soon. Here in my box you'll find any other readers and 
about 40 utilities for waffle.

Gottfried

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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5408 comp.mail.uucp:2377
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (Lord Yertle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:02:40 GMT
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana

In article <g94ZVB1w165w@circle.raleigh.nc.us>
lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown) writes:

>OK, now for the fun part.  Finding a new MX site that is willing to forward 
>your mail.  I'd be worried about finding an Internet site nearby UUCP-wise 
>that will MX for anybody.

You have to do this before you send the (re)registration in.  It's
kind of pointless otherwise, and I'm not sure they'd let you do it.

In my case, it turned out to be Dartmouth.  I might have been lucky :)
(although in my case, it doesn't matter.  Everything's long distance
from here, and I'm on one of the flat-rate calling plans.  I could
call anywhere in the US.)

  --jh
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From: ed@srconstl.mv.com (Ed Sinamark)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Amanda?
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: ed@srconstl.mv.com
Organization: SRC Computer Consulting, Hudson, NH

In <o0umVB8w165w@ruth.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:
>grizbud@grizila.pillar.com  (Jim Gorges) writes:

>| Does anyone know the correct address to obtain information on "Amanda?"
>| I thought it was "listserver@ruth.uucp" and "subscribe amanda-l" in the
>| body of the message.  My mail was bounced back saying, "no such user!"
>| Anybody know where I messed up?  Email, please.

Can I ask a dumb question.  What is Amanda?


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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Sites in the St. Louis Area
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:00:39 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...


     Hi net.world! :-) I'm looking to see if there are any public-access
sites in St. Louis. I'm in *DESPERATE* need of one.... well, ok, not
-desperate-, but there'd be a number of -extremely- happy people in this
world if I could find a site for someone. We're talking small bits of
mail, and news, but news isnt a must. Free or fee is fine, just keep in
mind we're talking about a soon-to-be retired college student who needs
her fix on a daily basis... ;-) Any info, by mail or news is -graciously-
appreciated-- and just think, if we CAN get her a site, Ma Bell won't rape
me monthly... ;-)

                                   Thanx muchly,

                                             Jeff


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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: what the...
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:34:36 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

dawson@hobbes.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:

> On UNIX systems, .someapplicationrc is the customary usage.
> 																 ^^
> So, you have things like .exrc, .cshrc, .kshrc, etc.  Obviously, the



Ooh.  Yuck.  Don't I even know how to write?

: On UNIX systems, .someapplicationrc is the customary usage.
:                                  ^^
: So, you have things like .exrc, .cshrc, .kshrc, etc.  Obviously, the




There!  That's better.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:06:48 GMT

In article <N-9KrAEPBh107h@boombox.apana.org.au> djk@boombox.apana.org.au writes:
|In <Byw7M3.IxJ@cs.psu.edu> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
|>There is no way to register yourself as an Internet->UUCP gateway
|
|Wouldn't:
|	*.UUCP.  IN MX 500 my.host.domain.
|in the DNS do this?

No; you shouldn't put top-level records in your own name server.  They might
or might not end up getting picked up by the top-level name servers.  Plus,
if they did get picked up by the root name servers, do you really want *every*
piece of mail from the Internet to the .UUCP pseudo-domain going through your
machine?  (Hint: psuvax1 stopped being the BITNET->.UUCP gateway because it
was getting overloaded, and BITNET is orders of magnitude smaller than the
Internet...)

  Bill
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5260 comp.os.os2.misc:39668
From: harvey@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: How to increase speed of communications in OS/2 2.0
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:35:12 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <u6qTVB2w165w@tcscs.UUCP>, tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:
> girardi@rniil.rni.sub.org (Norbert J. Girardi) writes:
> 
>> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>> 
>> > In article <sk6DVB3w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca 
>> > >Yesterday I converted to OS/2 2.0 and for the most part I'm duly
>> > >impressed with it.
>> > >However, the CPS transfer times for Waffle have fallen *dramatically* --
>> > >about 1/2 of the way it was under DOS!  This is even with Waffle running
>> > >in the foreground as the only application.
>> >
>> > There seems to be now an alternative COM driver, if you care to give
>> > it a try.  The filename is SIO000.ZIP, and the file is available via
>> > anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, directory /pub/uploads.  I
>> > haven't tried it, but it claims to provide better communications
>> > performance.
>> >
>> 
>> Is anybody out there in netland using the new COM driver and waffle??
>> 
>> With COMMGA.ZOO as of September o92 AND the bnu fossil I can only get
>> about 780 CPS with V.32 ( 9600 bit/s ) during 16 bit compressed
>> news poll.
>> 
>> Feeding another site with news is even worse. ( 560 CPS )
>> 
>> For the German Waffle Users:
>> Is there a BBS here in Good Old Germany where I could download
>> SIO000.ZIP from??
>> 
> Feeding news has always been slow for my system :(
> 
> Receiving works great.  I dont even need the fossil.  If you find you need
> the fossil for Waf to work under your os/2, look into x00 beta for OS/2...it's
> on ftp-os2(hobbes).  I'm running GA with kernal update.  I had to reinstall
> my system and I dont think I've gotten around to updating the comm driver 
> again.
> 
> I was using COM11 (or something like that) before I reinstalled.  Either way
> it works fine.

Yes the bulliton baud that I have some things to do with just installed the sio
drivers (to replace vcomm etc) and now we get high speed transferrs in both
directions (1600+bps) using a zyxal?? 16800 ++ enhanced modem. This increase in
speed has not been at the expense of foregrond speed using 3-4 applications in
the foreground + logging 15000 files via xtgold on s cdrom drive did slow the
download throuhput to around 1000.

Get these drivers if you are using dos boxes for high speed comms.

Mark Harvey

Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5225 comp.os.os2.misc:39536
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: How to increase speed of communications in OS/2 2.0
Keywords: os2 waffle 165
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:57:05 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

girardi@rniil.rni.sub.org (Norbert J. Girardi) writes:

> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
> 
> > In article <sk6DVB3w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca 
> > >Yesterday I converted to OS/2 2.0 and for the most part I'm duly
> > >impressed with it.
> > >However, the CPS transfer times for Waffle have fallen *dramatically* --
> > >about 1/2 of the way it was under DOS!  This is even with Waffle running
> > >in the foreground as the only application.
> >
> > There seems to be now an alternative COM driver, if you care to give
> > it a try.  The filename is SIO000.ZIP, and the file is available via
> > anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, directory /pub/uploads.  I
> > haven't tried it, but it claims to provide better communications
> > performance.
> >
> 
> Is anybody out there in netland using the new COM driver and waffle??
> 
> With COMMGA.ZOO as of September o92 AND the bnu fossil I can only get
> about 780 CPS with V.32 ( 9600 bit/s ) during 16 bit compressed
> news poll.
> 
> Feeding another site with news is even worse. ( 560 CPS )
> 
> For the German Waffle Users:
> Is there a BBS here in Good Old Germany where I could download
> SIO000.ZIP from??
> 
Feeding news has always been slow for my system :(

Receiving works great.  I dont even need the fossil.  If you find you need
the fossil for Waf to work under your os/2, look into x00 beta for OS/2...it's
on ftp-os2(hobbes).  I'm running GA with kernal update.  I had to reinstall
my system and I dont think I've gotten around to updating the comm driver 
again.

I was using COM11 (or something like that) before I reinstalled.  Either way
it works fine.

Greg

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From: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Very Big Waffle bug!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:38:07 GMT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

Jon Freivald <jaf@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:

> Agreed -- I had numerous problems using "staged writes" and HyperDisk.
> Turned them off and been stable as *ell ever since.  FYI, my config:
> Waffle 1.64
> DOS 5.0
> 4DOS 3.02a
> Seagate 1.2G on Adaptec 1542B host
> Waffle on C:
> /user on E: (100M)
> /public on F: (325M)
> /news on G: (100M)
> /spool on H: (100M)

  I've been running under HyperDisk WITH staged writes, and have had
absolutely 0 problems with disk crashes.

 My system:
Waffle 1.65, MSDOS 5.0, 4DOS 4.01, Seagate ST1239A + Seagate ST251 (RLL'd)
The 1239A is a 200M drive, split into two 100M partitions (C:/D:). The
ST251 is a 67M drive, as one partition. (E:). There is a 65M Stacker volume
on C:, which is called F:.

  Waffle and users are on C:.
  Files are on D: and E:.
  The news spool is on F:, except binary groups, which are on E:.

  My HyperDisk line from CONFIG.SYS:
DEVICE=C:\util\HYPERDKx.EXE c:2048:512 h s xb:3 xp:50 t:0 xs or

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From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: funny stuff...
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:05:14 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

How does one turn off the "cookie" message that seems to automatically
pop-up after posting a message?

I don't necessarily want to disable COOKIE command.  I just don't like
it when cookies are displayed after a user makes a post.


---  /|ugust /|bolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:57:05 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> Yes, that works.  Now try this:
> 
> home
> dir c:\waffle
> dir
> 
> I'll warrant you're not in Kansas (or your user directory), anymore!

I tried it. Was still in my user directory (and Iowa). Maybe
we should compare notes to figure this one out?

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From: cdescent@bnet.uucp (Lamer Yep Thats Me)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: From NOBODY
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:16:30 CST
Organization: None

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: BBStevie 3.0 echoing characters
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:10:55 GMT

In article <w0wTVB2w165w@pension.UUCP> grettir@pension.UUCP (Grettir Asmundarson) writes:
|> BBStevie 3.0...will handle its own i/o  through a FOSSIL driver.
|
|I had to downgrade back to v2.2 because v3.0 was echoing characters.

Did you put /local on the _editors line?  If BBStevie is doing its own i/o,
there's no need to ask Waffle to do it too, and that's probably what you
were seeing.

  Bill
From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: More functionality. More UNIX utils.
Keywords: Unix Waffle setuid future
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:41:58 EST
Organization: No Pity For The Majority!  [private]

basil@osric.cs.odu.edu (Keith Basil) writes:

>    o    Command history!! Hitting the arrows to get previous commands would
>         be sweet.

YES! YES! YES!  (.. sometimes I think I'd kill a nice little furry animal
for a command history in waffle..)

We can reuse a waffle iron to make many waffles, so it'd be cool to be able to
reuse a waffle command to make many commands.  Okay, okay, so maybe that's not
the best analogy.  But I tried.


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