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From: ifenton@crc.ac.uk (I. Fenton)
Subject: 24 hours of advocacy...
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:07:29 GMT

dear net,

looking at teh various advocacy groups here, i notice what 24 hours worth
of advocacy leads to :-

  comp.os.os2         103 postings (mostly os/2 vs. windows-nt)
  comp.sys.amiga       89 postings (mostly amiga vs. atari falcon)
  comp.sys.mac         62 postings (mostly mac vs. pc's)
  comp.os.mw-windows   24 postings (mostly is windows an os ?)
  comp.sys.next        15 postings (mostly should nextstep be cheaper)
  comp.sys.acorn        5 postings (mostly about acorn's share price)

as can be seen most of the discussion is about one system vs. another, rather
than discussion about that particular os/system.  this is interesting as most
groups have their zealots saying that other people should leave their group
alone.  does the net have any comment on these figures ?!


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl)
Subject: Re: Good news for 2.0 and other Tidbits.
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:17:46 GMT

In <1992Sep26.073733.16211@midway.uchicago.edu> soh3@quads.uchicago.edu (min-woong sohn) writes:

>But os/2 is a totally different story.  Once you install it, you
>use it.  That's that simple.  Better dos than dos and better windows
>than windows.  Is there in this logic, if it is a logic, not a fact,
>at all?

Well, I know at least two people, who have OS/2 2 installed on
their machine, but almost never use it. Both have copies bought
via store/mail order, not free or beta copies, or upgrades.

Wolfgang Strobl
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: soh3@quads.uchicago.edu (min-woong sohn)
Subject: Re: Good news for 2.0 and other Tidbits.
Reply-To: soh3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:53:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.184431.6065@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:

>> Speaking of minesweeper, I just tried minesweeper that came with
>> os/2 GRE and win-os/2 3.1.  Assuming that it is the same minesweeper
>> as the one included in original Windows 3.1, I'd say the freeware
>> minesweeper for os/2 2.0 is much harder to solve than win 3.1 version.
>> When you have experience with the former, windows version is not a
>> fun anymore.
>> 
>> Min
>> 
>I assume you implied a ;) after your post.
>
>Otherwise, as people say here, Get a Life.
>I mean really, trying to say that your version of minesweeper
>is better than mine?  Why don't you go off any play your
>better version of solitaire or something.
>

Hey, Pete.  I thought I was just expressing my opinion.  I get flamed
for my opinion??????????

>petesk@microsoft.com
>My Opinions...


Min


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
Subject: Re: NSTL compares OS/2 2.0 and Windows 3.1
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:50:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.002722.14009@hellgate.utah.edu> brian%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
>
>P.S.  I had don't beleive the multitasking part either... but the
>rest of it fits my experience.  Note... this is not the first time
>OS/2 has been ranked down on multitasking.  InfoWorld's comparison
>test of the two also ranked OS/2 lower on multitasking.  Maybe
>there is one specific thing OS/2 does very poorly?  If anybody
>calls and gets a copy of the NSTL report... check and tell us.


Brian, perhaps the reason OS/2 ranked lower on multitasking is that they
were testing "multitasking Windows Applications..." which, in most cases,
would not take advantage of OS/2's major strength in multitasking: preemptive
multitasking.  This, of course, is simply a hypothesis--but it "feels"
like it could be true.  If my conjecture is true, it only means that
OS/2 2.0 is not a "better Windows than Windows" in all cases... but then again,
human beings are not simply better apes than apes.

Just showing my impartiality...
and my opinions

joe.



Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley)
Subject: Re: Interesting WINBENCH scores...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:46:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.055945.29899@muddcs.claremont.edu> jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal) writes:
>
>>Here are some WINBENCH scores I got earlier today.
>>The 2 Win-OS/2 scores are from the new beta of OS/2 2.0.
>
>>Win-OS/2 v3.1 - 3,220,615
>>Win-OS/2 v3.0 - 2,549,434
>>Windows v3.0  - 2,644,122
>
>>Both the the Win-OS/2 tests were run with no other programs running.
>
>Before people go crazy analyzing these numbers, keep in mind that a lot
>of benchmark programs get skewed under OS/2 because they assume they
>have 100% of the processor's time.  Does anyone know how WinBench times
>its benchmarks?

HW_Timer *should* take care of that.  Of course, in a preemptively
multitasking system you'll get some inevitable slowdown, even if the
benchmark is the only thing running, since the system still takes a few cycles
for itself. I think that would be negligible, though.

Ted
From: cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: I hate to tell you this, but...
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:44:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oemFG3O00WBOA8XYxf
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os2.advocacy: 29-Sep-92 Re: I hate to tell
you this.. by STACY JOHN BEHRENS@ns1.c 
> >
> >So, from a Windows bigot to all you OS/2 bigots I say:  "Join us!  Feel the
> >power of the Dark Side!  Together the Universe will be ours!!
> >Mwhaahaaaaahaaa!"    ---> (:-)
>  
> How adult.  Tell you what, you can stick with your tired, old, obsolete,
> underpowered, over-hyped, poor multitasking, brain damaged system, and
I will 
> be
> running one or more systems with some real power.  (i.e. OS/2, NT, Unix)
> Maybe you'll someday discover that there is life this side of MS.

All right!!  Now whose butt is getting kicked!!!!!?!?
From: tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS's misconduct!
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:31:35 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <1992Oct05.235608.4664@microsoft.com> gordonl@microsoft.com (Gordon Letwin) writes:
>INT21 calls will still be supported.  Just because you use a "DOS interface"
>doesn't mean you have to run DOS.  OS/2 1.1 and onward support INT21
>calls, at least in the DOS box, without having DOS.  We've learned our
>compatibility lesson, several times, so compatbility will be very strict,
>even more so than OS/2 2.0.

	Yeah, sure.  That's why MS has announced support for *only* "the top
one hundred DOS and Windows apps".  My ass is getting uncomfortable with all
that smoke up it.

	When NT runs many more apps than OS/2, I will believe your statement
about having "learned our compatibility lesson".


>address spaces.  All platforms (386 and better) will support both.  There
>is a choice of operating systems, but as far as an app is concerned there's
>only one programming environment.
>

If that were true, NT apps would be limited to only those features supported
by the Windows or Win32s API.

Otherwise, designers still have to keep two environments in mind when doing
Windows programming, whether for NT or DOS-based. No?

Ted
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking
From: gtb6038@summa.tamu.edu (BILES, GREG THOMAS)
Subject: Re: X with os2
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:51:00 GMT

In article <QekII=200YV709ZnkC@andrew.cmu.edu>, mp52+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Edward Patton) writes...
>I am new to this board family and have a few questions about OS2.
> 
>I currently run Desqview/X with PCTCP Network interface and am
>considering upgrading to OS2 (32bit OS and all seems to have a lot going
>for it- cheap price is also an attraction)
> 
>Anyway, I understand that to display X apps on my OS2 box I need IBM's
>TCP/IP suppliment.  What is the typical cost of said package and what
>exactly does it include in the way of features/programs?  
> 
>On a side note, does OS2 support 8514 graphics mode or better yet the
>ATI Graphics Ultra in its advanced mode?

I have some ATI VGA Wonder drivers that will display 256 colors at 800x600
and 1024x768.  I don't know if these would work with your card though.  
However, I have a friedn who has a friend who is a Beta tester for OS/2 and 
he said that the new version has some really fast video drivers for most VGA
cards and ATI is a major card, so the next version will have the drivers
that you want.
> 
>Thanks for all replies.

Greg

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2:359 comp.os.os2.misc:31830 comp.os.os2.apps:6776 comp.os.os2.programmer:5361
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Utils dont work in a window - WHY?
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:43:04 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>When this happens to me, it is usually because I just ran a DOS application
>in an OS/2 window.
 
 How does OS2 know if it is an OS2 or a DOS application? Why can't DOS
 applications just run in an OS2 window- esp if they do not use
 graphics? Is there an "import" facility to import text line DOS to OS2?
 Bill Unruh
 unruh@physics.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer
From: db3l@ans.net (David Bolen)
Subject: Re: Utils dont work in a window - WHY?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:24:37 GMT
	<jdecarlo.296.718306242@mitre.org>
Organization: Advanced Network & Services, Inc. - Elmsford, NY

In article <jdecarlo.296.718306242@mitre.org> jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo) writes:

>Of course, it doesn't have to be a DOS app you are running.  Check out the 
>versions of PKZIP2.EXE and PKUNZIP2.EXE on ftp-os2.  Neither program will 
>run in a DOS window, yet both will start up full screen OS/2 sessions if you 
>run them from an OS/2 windowed session.

That's because those executables were not marked (in their header) as being
supported in a windowed command prompt.  There are actually very few OS/2
text executables that won't work in a windowed prompt, but there are some
Vio* services that a windowed prompt doesn't support.

Normally, you set this flag in the executable during the linking stage of
building it, but it can also be done after the fact.  If you have any sort
of OS/2 development environment (compiler, toolkit, etc..) look for a
utility called winable.exe (the older versions) or markexe.exe (a newer
version) that let's you make this change.  There may also be a similiar
utility on ftp-os2 somewhere.

If you set the bit to indicate a window compatible application, you'll be
able to run them in a window without a problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: regy106@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (John, Registry)
Subject: Novell and pathworks problems
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:23:56 GMT

Hi,
	I am having problems and am getting very frustrated.
	Possibly my biggest problem is I have a DE200 ethernet card.  I have
the novell requestor for os/2 2.0 but it doesn't support DE200 and there are no
drivers for the card.  I have rang digital and are still waiting.  I also have
patyhworks for os/2 (not 2.0a yet) and that doesn't seem to work well either.
What I have done is make a boot disk that uses pathworks and novell with 
co-exist, made this into a image file and use that.  This works ok.

	Problems:
*	I have to shutdown and reboot if I close the image file session - 
otherwise it can't find the card.
*	Every so often (every 10 or 15 mins) it stops (for at least 1/2 min) and
if I am lucky it carrys on, otherwise it complains of a network error and loses
connect to the novell.

	Questions:
*	Any answers to the above problems?
*	Does anybody know of any os/2 drivers for DE200 card for the novell
requestor?
*	When these two do finally work is there a way of co-existing the two?  
Under windows you can get coexist software, is there something for os/2?

Thanks John
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: backman@vaxeline.ftp.com  (Larry Backman)
Subject: Re: NNTP-compliant news reader for OS/ 2.0 / #2
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 13:32:42


 >> Does anyone know of a NNTP-compliant news reader for OS/2 2.0 ??   
 >>                       ^this is new :-)
 >> (besides the one comming with TCP/IP 1.2.1 !!)                    
 >>                                                                   
How about the one I'm using right now with PCTCP for OS/2?


Larry Backman
FTP Software
From: mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Telnet hogs CPU
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:45:19 GMT
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, Canada

In article <geoED0600WB_AyAoI3@andrew.cmu.edu> md3z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Denovich) writes:
>
>Whenever I open a telnet session It pegs my cpu meter (pulse)  I have
>8megs o' memory and a 386 40mhz machine.   Should be plenty of HP to run
>a telnet session.  And when I switch to different windows they take a
>long (1 sec or2)
>to focus.  I have installed the CSD (os2 tcp/ip 1.2.1) to no avail....
>Any Ideas?

Use vt100 or vt220 instead of vanilla telnet.  They don't seem to share the bug.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: NDIS driver for 3COM 501 card wanted!
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:45:10 GMT

In article <d0bpl.717705265@dtek.chalmers.se> d0bpl@dtek.chalmers.se (Patrik Larsson) writes:
>   I am looking for a driver to a 3COM 501 card. Any help appriciated!

Does anyone have the number to the 3Com BBS?  All these drivers are
available there, as far as I know.

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From: mhuth@byron.u.washington.edu (Mark Huth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: setting up host addresses, mail, rn, etc under tcp/ip 1.2.1.
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:43:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Ok, with the help of this group, I've succeeded in getting os/2 tcpip up and
running.  I'd like to ask some more very naive questions.  How do I go about
getting tcpip to recognize the hosts to which I usually telnet?  It is tiring
typeing those internet addresses! (grin). How do I go about setting up the
sample rn?  Is a better mailer available?  Are these types of questions answered
in a FAQ?  I've got the X windows package on order?  Is there a xrn available? 

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Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.networking:1632 comp.os.os2.misc:32114 gnu.emacs.gnus:1166
From: baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking,comp.os.os2.misc,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: NNTP for OS/2?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:33:28 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.networking,gnu.emacs.gnus
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dep't., U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD

Subject line sez it (nearly) all.  Does anyone have this critter?  I am
messing around with the source to try to make it work, but I'd rather
not re-invent the wheel, if I can possibly avoid it.

My ultimate object is to make 'gnus' run under GNU Emacs on an OS/2
machine, using NNTP to retrieve news from a server.  I have IBM's
TCP/IP for OS/2 and am running OS/2 2.0.

E-mail me.  I don't intend to summarize to the net unless there's 
interest.  E-mail me to express said interest.
--
 From the catapult of:              |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I
   _,_  J. D. Baldwin, Comp Sci Dept|+| say, I am quite prepared not only to
 _|70|___:::)=}-  U.S. Naval Academy|+| retract it, but also to deny under
 \      /   baldwin@usna.navy.mil   |+| oath that I ever said it." --T. Lehrer
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From: garyng@gnct.com (garyng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: OS2 2.0 networking, get confused
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:55:08 HKG-8
Distribution: world
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

aar_osman@gsbacd.uchicago.edu writes:

> 	You should get the Novell Requester for OS/2 2.0.  Call
> 	1-800-NETWARE or 1-800-UPDATE1.  It costs about $30 for a site
> 	license.  
>
> 	P.S. Not an OS/2 guru, just a few month with OS2/2.0, so its not
> 	as hard as you might believe.
> 
> 	Good luck!  - Osman
> 

You have made my head more clear. Now the only problem left is that I can't
reach 1-800 cause I am at the opposite side of the earth. Well, I can still
find a way to get it. Thanks very much.

-gary
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Multithreaded TCP/IP
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:12:44 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct1.180012.11667@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>, kuhnle@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Jochen Kohnle) writes:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have to write a small file transfer program for OS/2 using IBM TCP/IP 
> V1.2.1 and the TFTP (trivial FTP) interface.
> There is only one problem: It has to transfer several large files to different
> systems simultaneously.
> I could not find any answers in the literature I have, so here are my
> questions:
> 
> - The manual says you should not use TCP/IP in detached sessions, because it
>   will not receive server messages. Is there a way to do this anyway?

Where is this? I had a quick scan and couldn't find anything, but I could have
missed it easily..

> - Can TCP/IP be used in a multithreaded application?

Yes. Have a look on the pages that detail the libraries. There is a static
tcpipmt.lib, and static tcpip.lib (Multithread and single thread), and the
tcpipdll.lib gives access to the tcpipdll, which is multithreaded.

> - If so, can the TFTP interface also?

Pass. I don't think so though. But if you just use it in one thread you should
be oK.

> - If not, has someone - since the sources are available from IBM - already done
>   a multithreaded version?
> 
> Thanks very much for helping,
> 
> Jochen Kuhnle
> 
> (kuhnle@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de)
> 
> 
> 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: kuhnle@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Jochen Kohnle)
Subject: Multithreaded TCP/IP
Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, W.Germany
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:00:12 GMT


Hi!

I have to write a small file transfer program for OS/2 using IBM TCP/IP 
V1.2.1 and the TFTP (trivial FTP) interface.
There is only one problem: It has to transfer several large files to different
systems simultaneously.
I could not find any answers in the literature I have, so here are my
questions:

- The manual says you should not use TCP/IP in detached sessions, because it
  will not receive server messages. Is there a way to do this anyway?
- Can TCP/IP be used in a multithreaded application?
- If so, can the TFTP interface also?
- If not, has someone - since the sources are available from IBM - already done
  a multithreaded version?

Thanks very much for helping,

Jochen Kuhnle

(kuhnle@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de)
From: jpr@asteroids.dcrl.nd.edu (Jim P. Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: NDIS info
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:24:07 GMT
Organization: Distributed Computing Research Lab,

Does anyone know where I can get technical information on
NDIS drivers for OS/2?   

Jim Robbins
-- 
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From: turner@ctron.com (David Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Cabletron ethernet card NIF
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:41:58 GMT
Reply-To: turner@olympus.ctron.com (David Turner)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

In article <19qc10INNo3l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sal8@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven A. Luzynski) writes:
>
>I need a NIF and a Protocol.INI for the Cabletron 21xx fiber optic
>ethernet card. I found the e21 MAC file at ctron.com but I can't
>locate (or make up, for that matter) the NIF and INI files.
> ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
>
I have put a file up on ctron.com called Lanman.zip. It has the
files that you are looking for.

This file is in the drivers directory.

Regards,

Dave Turner





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