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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Dean Smith (Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS)
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:09:21 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

>I am and always have been a Tarheels fan.  The team this year looks 
>good enough to take it all.  Of course, they only have Dean Smith for 
>a coach, the best coach in the history of college basketball.

Well, after UNC's recent loss to Michigan, it looks like UNC and Dean
Smith need to do something if they're going to beat teams in the likes
of Michigan in order to advance to the Final Four championship game 
this year.  If UNC doesn't improve, UNC likely is going to be upset 
by any team during the NCAA playoffs.

And as for UNC's now-established reputation of slow starts.... UNC can
get away with this in games against weaker opponents, but certainly 
not against teams like Michigan.  Why hasn't Dean Smith been able to 
solve this "slow start" problem?

UNC also needs to play a consistent 40-minute solid game with excellent 
defense (and, of course, good offense).  That is what separates the 
championship team from the rest of the teams.  This is something that 
Dean Smith hasn't been able to get out of his teams on a consistent 
basis, not since UNC won the 1982 NCAA Championship.

I am not saying that Dean Smith is a bad coach; in fact, I will always 
say that Dean Smith is a great coach and an excellent teacher in the 
fundamentals of basketball, and that his players are well-coached for 
their roles.  Dean Smith's lifetime record and accomplishments speak
for this.  Yet, what can explain why UNC has suffered many upset over 
the years?

In my opinion, Dean Smith's skills as the bench coach (in games) is 
questionable at times.  He seems unable to adjust or compensate for 
whatever that develops during the game.  At times, his players are
looking for leadership on the court and finding none (another fault 
of Dean Smith's seniority thing).  Also, Dean Smith doesn't seem to 
understand the physiological aspect of the game that Duke's Mike
Krzyzewski is regarded as an expert in.  Perhaps this explains why
UNC has been upset so often over the years.  This is something that 
we UNC fans have to live with.  Sigh.

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CH
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 16843@news.uiowa.edu, wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>It is so hard to take all this talk of Dean Smith seriously when he is such
>a proven tournament non-winner.  I realize he has had some bad breaks, but
>geez, how many times have they been w/in 2 or 3 wins of winning it all and
>not done it?  Dean is a fantastic coach over the long haul (read: regular
>season) but seems to miss something when it comes to preparing for the 
>tourney.  It seems like he could learn something from Knight in this Arena.

Wow!!  I know this is r.s.basketball, but do you think Knight could help Bobby
Bowden too?  Another great coach who gets agonizingly close but .....just......
can't.......seem......to.......win.......it......all!  :-(  :-(

>It took Coach K at Duke a while, but he seems to have discovered whatever it
>is that makes a team tournament.  I guess I am still bitter about what Dean
>tried to do to the game with that 4-corners stuff.
>
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From: mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams)
Subject: UMD BASKETBALL: It is time...
Organization: Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:20:46 GMT

	Well the day we have been all waiting for is right around the
corner.  Maryland meets Ga. Tech. this Tuesday the 5th at 8 PM. I will 
suggest GA. Tech. fans, who will be coming to Cole Field House, bring  
some thing to protect their ear drums.  Yes there will be 14,500 
screaming fans and the noise will be louder than anything you can possiblly
imagine.  

	University of Maryland Basketball: It's time has come....


Mikail Shams
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: BYU avoids upset!!??
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:58:27 GMT

I was a Duke undergrad, I am a U of U grad student, and God I pray that
BYU somehow wins their next game so that Duke can school them.
  woof woof.  (Notice the lower cases).

John Conroy
jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu


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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: How long will Rich Manning be out?
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 00:50:14 GMT

Anyone over at UW who can help out?  All I heard was that in the win over
Dartmouth, Manning hurt his knee.  Is it serious?  Is he expected back in
time for the game next Saturday?

Jim
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: FSU over ULAR by 31
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 02:40:25 GMT

Just got back from the game, wasn't even close really. Closest the game ever
got was at tip-off. Doug Edwards had a great game for the 'Noles and so did
Bob Sura (as usuall...lots of point...buncha tre's). With about 8 minutes to
go in the game, Kennedy put in 3 freshmen (Sheperd, Carroll, and Robinson)
with seniors Rodney Dobard and Lo Hands (backup guard). These guys managed to
pull the score out past a 20 point margin. I was pretty impressed with the
freshmen, espescially against the trapping D ULAR was testing them with. The
guys need to be a bit more carefull in their ball handling though. With about
2 minutes left, Kennedy decided to go with the ultimate insult...Gruhl. This
guy is a sophomore ( i think) from Canada who....well....he aint so great.
Whenever you see Gruhl in the game you KNOW it's over. Coach K. put him in
against UNC last year just to rub it in (I started the chant of "WE WANT 
GRUHL" in the audience...it caught on and Kennedy woke the guy up so he could
play). Worst part is, Gruhl actually scored about 5 points against ULAR. Oh
well, it was a good laugh at least.

If I can somehow get my hands on the box scores from this game and the games
played down in the Florida Citrus Classic in Orlando I will be sure to post
them...however, I am pretty much isolated from news print right now so this
may not be possible.

Kevin

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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: 1993 Final Four
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:56:59 GMT

In <725063717.0@nwark.FidoNet> Kenneth.Whelan@f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Kenneth Whelan) writes:

>has kept on winning though (Unlike Memphis State).  Then Saturday AT  
>Missouri despite being underdogs and playing with Big-10 officials(who  
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you sure they were Big 10 officials?  Missouri is not in the
Big Ten.  Maybe they borrowed some Big Ten officials since they
are renowned for their excellent eyesight ;-) ???

>fouled out 4 players in the game and called Arkansas for 10 fouls in the  
>first half while only calling 1 on Mizou) won this one by 6.

Will
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From: Craig.Simpson@launchpad.unc.edu (Craig Simpson)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:31:06 GMT

In article <!pa=jkB@engin.umich.edu> quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.050305.13966@samba.oit.unc.edu> Craig.Simpson@launchpad.unc.edu (Craig Simpson) writes:
>>> 
>>He substituted well, but Rose did not have a clue as to how much time was
>>left on the shot clock before throwing up that wild 35 footer (and this
>>was right in front of the UM bench).  Also, UM wasted all their timeouts
>>because UM did not have a clue as to what to do when one of their
>>players picks up the dribble.
>>
>
>In a postgame interview, Rose stated that Jimmy King told him to
>"just throw it to Chris (Webber)".
My point had more to do with the out-of-bounds play.  Why, with the
play right in front of the Michigan bench, did no one tell Rose that
the shot clock was almost out of time before waiting until he dribbled
out to mid-court?  I guess Fisher did not think about it :-).
> 
>When trapped with no outlet, Michigan called timeout.
> 
>Two CLUES to help you figure out how Michigan won.
> 
Gee thanks Brian, but this had very little to do with Michigan winning.
Every time the Michigan man got trapped, the rest of the team stood
around and waited for him to call timeout instead of trying to get
into position to get a pass.  Having no timeouts left at the end
of the game meant that Michigan could not set up a play, if they
could have I doubt that they would have had to resort to a mad scramble
like they had at the end of the game.

Craig Simpson
craig@unx.sas.com


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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Utah runs past Texas
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:51:58 GMT

Ooops, that last post was supposed to be mailed.

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From: applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core, Andrew)
Subject: Tennessee defeats Furman
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:21:00 GMT

    Tennessee defeated Furman 90-77 Tuesday night.  Both teams shot well, but
Furman had 24 turnovers against UT's press.  Jermaine Brown made his first
start of the season in place of LaMarcus Golden, who missed several days of
practice.  Golden scored a career high when he got in the game.
    UT led at the half by 12 and 64-48 with 11 minutes left in the game, but
Furman cut the margin to 2 points (66-64) due to several lucky bounces,
questionable calls, and a technical foul on Coach Wade Houston.  UT went on an
11-0 tear to put the game away, though, and Tennessee goes to 9-0 against the
Purple Paladins.
    UT shot 53% from the field, 75% from the free throw line, and hit 10 of 16 
three pointers.  Furman outrebounded UT by 6.
    Allan Houston had 26 points (4-6 treys) and two assists, giving him 400 for
his collegiate career.  He is now in the #3 position in SEC scoring (by 3
points, I think).  He passed Chuck Person in the second half, I think.  He will
not become #1, unless he passes Pete Maravich.  He would probably have to get
another thousand or so to do that.  I don't see any player in the near future
doing that, unless they institute 4 point shots and add another period of play.
    Corey Allen had 4 points, Hamer 5 and three blocks, Wiseman 15 points,
Sheffield 2, Brown 4, Whitted 8, Caldwell 6, Brand 3, and Golden 17 on 5 of 8
shooting.  He hit two three-pointers, and went 5-6 in free throws, missing his
first of the year.
    Tennessee is now 6-2, Coach Houston's best start at UT.

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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:15:22 GMT

George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
: 
: 	In 1984 they went 14-0 but Kenny Smith hurt his wrist against Arkansas
: and they lost to Duke in the ACC tourney semifinals, and I believe to 
: Villanova in the NCAAs.  In 1987 they also went 14-0, but lost to a hyped-up
: NCState team (a 6th seed, no less) in the ACC tourney.  Their fate in the
: NCAAs escapes me.  I don't believe any injuries were involved that season.
: 

  Actually Kenny Smith got hurt against LSU and UNC lost in the NCAA's to
  a freshman-dominated Indiana team in the round of 16.  In 1987 they lost
  to Syracuse in the regional final.

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From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Subject: Re: U-VA ball -- 2 questions
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.042526.1335@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("") writes:
>
>I guess we're just losing recruits to UNC (land of three 7
>footers), Duke, even GA Tech as always. 

Since Maryland signed center Joe Smith (a top 50 prospect from Virginia), you
should add the Terps to the above list :) 

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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: RPI Scores   12/27/92
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:52:45 GMT

Mike Dunnagan (Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
: Orin Day:
: 
: > > Rnk. Name                   RPI     W  L   OW  OL   OOW  OOL  F1    F2 
: > > 1. Purdue                 0.7420  6  0   19   6    94   64  1.000 0.760
: > > 2. North Carolina         0.7381  7  0   19   9   122   61  1.000 0.679
: > > 3. Duke                   0.7218  7  0   32  11   130  102  1.000 0.744
: > > 4. Indiana                0.7079 10  1   41  20   272  151  0.909 0.672
: > 
: > Hmmm - that would be some Final Four!!
: 
: Yeah, maybe then we could put an end to the notion that Indiana is the
: "basketball state." <g>
: 

Well, as far as UNC is concerned, it might as well be.  Allow me to rehash:

1969 - Purdue crushes UNC in the NCAA semis by 30+
1981 - Indiana beats UNC for the title in convincing fashion
1984 - Indiana upsets #1 UNC with Jordan, Perkins, et. al.


Granted that we have no bragging rights over Duke (then again, who does?).  UNC
fans, on the other hand, have no room to talk, IMHO.
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From: ns@cbnews.cb.att.com (naresh.shah)
Subject: Re: Ohio State score request - again
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:59:56 GMT

>Well, once again the Ohio State - Oregon game was too late for the folks at
>USA Today.  If anyone has the score and/or a brief description of the game,
>I'd appreciate it.
>
>Mike Doel				<doel@bae.bellcore.com>

tOSU (6-2) won the game and the tourney by 6 points or so. watched the game
till 2:30 am this morning on raycom, but don't remember the final score. it 
was in 70s. tOSU led 33-32 at half. it was a close game with 19-20 lead
changes. for tOSU, jamie skelton led balanced scoring with 21 points. 
funderburke had his usual 17-18 points. dudley (10+ points, 10+ rebounds) 
and derek anderson played well. 

randy stayed with the 3-guard starting line-up of etzler, davis and skelton
(with funderburke and dudley). but he didn't play either of his two point
guards (etzler or greg simpson) for much of the 2nd half, especially at the
end. anderson played point guard much  of the 2nd half. it appeared that
randy was most comfortable with floor line-up of funderburke, dudley,
anderson, skelton and davis. since this was a close game, these five played
more than their usual minutes.

among the four star rookies (anderson, simpson, macon and wilbourne), only 
anderson is living up to his reputation so far. and he has played only two
regular season games. looks like charles "killer" macon (mr. indiana) and
greg simpson (mr. ohio) will need some time to get used to college hoops. 
jimmy ratliff, a starter for first 6 games, played  less than 5 minutes in
two tourney games, deservedly so IMO. brandewie, the other starter for first
6 games, is good on boards and defense, but needs to improve his offense. 

all in all, a good win for the young buckeyes on the road. the nuetral court
(portland) was almost a home court for both of its opponents, oregon state
and oregon. 

-naresh shah		ns@cbnews.att.com
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From: George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re:  UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.140313.11579@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <8188@news.duke.edu> fls@acpub.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>>	While watching the UNC-Texas game, I thought, "Wow, this team
>>really could be good.  I wonder when the injuries will start?"  The
>>answer came in the second half.
>>	This is the best Tar Heel team in a decade.  They're big, they
>
>This is a good team, but there were some pretty good UNC teams in the
>past decade, even though they didn't win an NCAA championship.  At least
>once during that span (maybe twice?) UNC went 14-0 in the ACC regular
>season.  That's hard to do.

	In 1984 they went 14-0 but Kenny Smith hurt his wrist against Arkansas
and they lost to Duke in the ACC tourney semifinals, and I believe to 
Villanova in the NCAAs.  In 1987 they also went 14-0, but lost to a hyped-up
NCState team (a 6th seed, no less) in the ACC tourney.  Their fate in the
NCAAs escapes me.  I don't believe any injuries were involved that season.

>>	The Tar Heels are not likely to sweep Duke this year, although
>>it would be nice :).  Neither is Duke likely to sweep Carolina.
>>	The most likely way for Carolina to lose, like it seems to be in
>>every year except the one when they won it all, is for their key players
>>to get hurt.  How many critical injuries to the Tar Heels in past
>>near-miss seasons can you name?
>
>The first two that come to mind are Kenny Smith's broken wrist (1984?)
>and Steve Hale's rib injury (in-Hale, out-Hale).  It seems like they
>always miss some key player for part of the season, and they frequently
>get hurt in practice.

	That should be in-Hale, ex-Hale.  Most prominent is probably Tommy
LaGarde's blown-out knee in 1977, when, even with the freshman trio of Wolf,
Yonaker and Krafcisin filling the center spot they made it to the Finals b4
Dean Smith had them blow the game against Marquette.  The previous year, a
back injury took Mitch Kupchak out, and the Heels fell to UVa in the ACC
finals, and to Alabama (I think) in the first round of the NCAAs.

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From: kwz26@cas.org (Kurt W. Zielenbach)
Subject: Re: Ohio St Greatest -- Results
Reply-To: kwz26@cas.org
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:15:33 GMT

 In article 1020@tessi.com, allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

> BTW, ever think of naming top coaches for OSU, or this too stupid of a 
> question?
> 
> I would list, of course, good old Fred Taylor, followed probably by
> Randy Ayers.  Oh, and I'd put Eldon Miller definitely below 2nd, probably
> even lower than that, based on his having SO MUCH talent (re: frosh class
> of 1978, or was it '79) and not really going that far with the guys.  I
> remember Herb Williams and a couple of guards from Barberton (damn, names
> escape me now!).

It all started going down hill for Eldon when he had a team of Herb Williams,
Clark Kellogg, Jim Smith (the king of missed dunks, but oh could he rebound),
Kelvin Ransey, and Carter Scott.  I believe that this was the 1979 season. All
but Scott played in the NBA and they didn't even win the big10 let alone go
far in the tournament.

I believe that the Barberton guards that you are referring to are Ronnie Stokes
and Troy Taylor.  They came along a little later (early 80s).  Rooting for those
guys was a  roller coaster experience.  One minute they would be doing something
brilliant - the next something completely lame - especially Troy Taylor.

Ronnie Stokes is still around Columbus playing hoops.  Last year was a big one
as he led the AAU Verich Reps team to an exhibition win over JJ and company, made
played for the CBA's Columbus Horizon, and appeared on the American 
Gladiators show.  Not bad for a guy in his <gulp> thirties.

> 
> allen

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