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From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: Indian Cricket
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:41:08 GMT

I've noticed a lot of discussion on the standard of Indian cricket on this net
in recent times, but I have yet to read something on the domestic comp(Ranji
Trophy), the main comments have been blaming selection basically but I believe
the problem runs deeper.
Most countries around the world have their learning ground consisting of about
6 teams ie.Aus 6 NZ 6 WI 6 Pak 8 SL 5 SA 7, where as in India there are 27,
this leaves the talent to thinly spread and thus some uncompetitive sides
result.  In Aus for example each state on average has 2 in the test team, 1 or
2 on the fringe, 2 promising youngsters and a couple of ex test players, It
leaves little room for guys that just arn't going to make it.
Whereas the case in India is that there are a lot of cricketers playing in the
first class comp that never have been and never will be of international
standard.  27 times 11 equals 297 first class players all vieing for a spot in
the best 11.
What is needed is something along the lines of the Duleep trophy to be
expanded so that more than 4 games in a knockout format are played between
each 'zone'.
English cricket also suffers a similar problem from too many teams, they have
the advantage that they play so often they are never out of form, but this
also tends to lead that there are a lot of fringe players of very even
standard just below what is required for international cricket, and thus a
large turnover of cricketers in the international side and this side relying
on the deeds of a gifted few ie. Gooch & Smith, Stewart of late. and usually
someone or two that have a good day.
A though I know little about India, looking in from the outside this appears
to be a serious problem that I feel needs to be addressed by Indian Cricket.

Any Comments.

Mark.
From: narayan@carina.unm.edu (C.R.Narayanan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:53:05 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug12.025933.2614@cs.sfu.ca> aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain) writes:
>> >In article 5391@rice.edu,  pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao) writes:
>> >>Unnecessary dig at Shamim Naqvi [everyone reading RSC knows he is the
>> >>only person on RSC with the luxury of discussing the next day's test
>> >>match privately with #1 pace bowler (well, you can change that number
>> >>based on your ranking) in the world] .....
>> >> 
>
>I cant take the curiosity anymore.

Neither can I. Out with it! Especially that team bus part got my goat! I'm
jealous either way - 1) your hoity toity connections or 2) your vivid
imagination. :-)! Let us know which one! And of course read a lot of
smileys in this post. Use your imagination. 

And since I'm posting this anyway, has the England team to tour India been
announced yet? The last few discussions on swing bowling have been real
interesting (Sudhama, PVR and others), keep it coming! 

>
>BTW SAN how are you associated to the Pak team, you seem to enjoy some
>quality time in the dressing room of the pakistan team ;-), with probably
>the #1 and #2 pace bowlers in the world (  :-) to those who disagree). 
>Aamir

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From: venki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (N. Venkateswaran)
Subject: Jimmy Amarnath - India's best ever batsman?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:09:16 GMT


	The header says it all. I am sure Gavaskar fans will surely 
	disagree with me. But consider this:

	Most of Gavaskar's (and for that matter Vengsarkar's) big scores
	were scored against weak bowling attacks. Gav failed against
	Marshall & Co in WI, Imran Khan & Co. in Pak and did not play
	Lille and Thomson when they were at their best.

	As for amarnath who can forget his batting in Pak, WI and World
	cup in 1982? [...and the one run in 6 innings in the '83 series
	with WI? :( ]


	If only politics had not interfered with Jimmy's career....
From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (Jay Bhartkumar Patel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Help with CRICKET SHAREWARE GAME FOR IBM !!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:22:34 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

I have downloaded the "stwicket.zip" and "Worldcup.zip" to my computer.
I unzipped the files before I downloaded it to my computer. 

The problem is that when I try to run the "sw.exe" or "WCC.exe" file, the 
computer loads it but then doesn't do anything, meaning it is suppose to give
me a main menu but it goes into some kind of an infinite loop. 

Can some genius out ther help me out?

Thanks.

KING COBRA


P.S. -  Please E-mail me your response.

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From: raza@hobbes.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: The Best Captain (Re: Pakistan: 200 not out.......
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.144003.26556@lut.ac.uk> rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin) writes:
>>In article <16AUG199221281018@zeus.tamu.edu> m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
>>there is hardly any doubt about the best captain for pakistan. Based on 
>>statistics, yes, miandad is best but QUALATIVELY imran is surely the 
>>best. In fact, arguably the best captain for any country. Isn't (or 
>>wasn't) he?.
>>
>
>
>Well, according to the new Guiness Book of Records on Cricket Captains most of 
>the ex-pakistani test players & captains feel that Javed Miandad is the best
>captain Pakistan ever had.
>
>- Rahin
>

Regarding captincy issue someone is claiming JM, someone IK and someone
Mushtaq Mohammad, all three of them are very good and great captains,
but what surprised me is that nobody mention the name of Abdul Hafeez Kardar.

S.R.Raza.


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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Re: 5th test (merci, SAN!)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:57:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.143057.12057@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com writes:
>
>The reason he didn't get to play earlier is simpy becuase Moin Khan had
>had a very good world cup and it isn't easy to drop a person like
>that.  Javed Miandad should get the credit for taking a chance on
>Latif, not to mention Shoiab. It is precisely this sort of thing that
                       ^^^^^^^^
>can either pay off and make one look smart or fail utterly and get one
>into all kinds of trouble.
>

I always think that Pakistani selectors are very unfair on Shoiab.
Even after very good performances his place in the side is not certain.
I can think of very few occasions when he has failed.
Can someone explain why this partiality on Shoiab?

- Sougata

==============================================================================	
Sougata Mukherjea (sougata@cc.gatech.edu)
Graphics Visualization and Usability Center
College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology 
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From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: Atherton?
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:02:26 GMT

In article 27605@st-andrews.ac.uk,  rasf@st-andrews.ac.uk (Russell Anthony Stewart Fiedler) writes:
>I think that the batting ratings aren't too far off the mark in general but 
>the calculation of the bowling ratings is much more difficult. Hell, how do
>you include the number of wickets 'taken at the other end' by somebody like
>Mushtaq who had nearly the entire England batting line up bamboozled?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Russ Fiedler

Good point. We mustn't put too much into these ratings. 

At Manchester a few weeks ago, David (?) Lloyd, the former captain of Lancashire, 
kept on saying on TMS, that the English players had started to read Mushtaq and 
that he "he had been found out." He then went on to propound the story that 
Gooch had invented at the start of the series, namely, that England had not been 
able to read Mushtaq at the WC because of the white ball under the lights. 

Well, it was clear at the Oval, that after 5 tests and 2 ODIs and several county games, 
nobody was reading Mushtaq. Trueman at Lords had said that Mushtaq had made 
batsmen with thousands of test runs to their credit look foolish. Boycott confirmed 
that nobody read Mushtaq at the Oval.  


	--SAN
From: cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Tour Match 1992 August 13 (Thursday)
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:55:18 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

Tour Match 1992 August 13 (Thursday)
Limited Overs Match at Taunton
Somerset v Pakistan XI

Match Abandoned without a ball bowled (just like match previous day)


CDC
From: tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com (Tittu Mathew)
Subject: South African team for India's tour
Followup-To: tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:05:57 GMT


Hello guys,

	I was hoping atleast somebody will post it but nothing has come
	so far. So I think I will post it.

	SA has announced their list of 18 players to play against India. 
	They have retained all the 14 which played in the worldcup and 
	has added 4 more. Keppler Wessels[sp.] has been retained as the 
	Captain. Among the new 4 added is the veteran player Jim Cook 
	[Current Somerset player]. Clive Rice has not been selected this 
	time too. "The only non-white player in the team is left hand spinner 
	Omar Henry".
		[ source:- BBC sports round-up ]


	The other news is Gooch has been retained as the England captain
	for the tour to India. He seems to be looking forward to have a
	good season in India with Keith Fletcher as his team manager.
		[ source:- BBC sports round-up ]

Tittu Mathew
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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: Pak vs Eng: 4th ODI (Lunch)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 12:23:28 GMT


Rain delayed start of play till an hour before lunch. Miandad is back in
the side; Naveed Anjum and Moin Khan are the other two changes in the
Pakistan side. Gooch is not playing due to an injured wrist; Stewart is
the captain. Dermott Reeve is alos back and there is a new man keeping
wkts. Pakistan won the toss and decided to bat. They have been playing
with caution but England still managed to get an early wkt when Aamir
Sohail spooned one to Stewart at mid-on, trying to whip the ball square.
He made 20 and De Frietas was the wkt taker. Salim Malik came in one down
and he was batting at 6 and Ramiz at 9 at lunch. Pakistan 41 for 1 off 15
overs. The England bowlers have been quite tidy and there is some movement
off the pitch as well as a bit of swing to take advantage of. Ramiz seems
to be struggling in getting his timing right while Malik has played many
shots away from the body but managed to keep the ball down.
b
From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Rashid Patel and Raman Lamba are back!
Date: 21 Aug 1992 05:56:47 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <karnik.714325943@femto>, karnik@femto.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

|> 	Rashid Patel and Raman Lamba are back in the Indian cricket scene! 
|> The two were suspended for one season following their nasty brawl in a Duleep
|> (or was it Deodhar?) trophy game. Now, both have been selected for their 


It was indeed the Duleep trophy. A high scoring match in which the winner was
determined by the first innings lead, I think. The brawl took place on the last
day after the winner was decided, I think.


|> 	Salil Ankola	- good medium fast bowler. Frank Tyson says that he was
|> 			  the only one (in his academy I presume) who measured
|> 			  up to Aussie standards of strength and fitness.


Some more description:

Ward of Chandu Borde. Toured Pak in 1989-90 (SRT's debut series). Bowling was
very uninspiring. Was the worst fielder on either side in that series. Was booed
by the crowds since an incident in which he faked as if he stopped a ball on the
boundary though he actually didn't.

Very young. Started his first class career with a five-wicket haul.

Kuruvilla is from the same academy, BTW.


|> 	Rashid Patel		Baroda


He played WI after the world cup. Didn't do well.


|> 	Shantanu Sugwekar - good batsman (maybe a Ranji king though), scored a
|> 			    double century last season I think.


I don't think so. His highest score in the last season was 158 against East
zone in the Duleep trophy semis. However, he has been the second best batsman
(after Surendra Bhave, who scored two double centuries, one of them unbeaten,
in the last season - he had 2 scores in the top 4 scores of the season) for
Maharashtra for a long time.


|> 	I've also got here the East Zone team:


|> 	Saradendu Mukherjee	Bengal


That should be "Saradindu Mukherjee". However, even some news papers
mis-spell his name now and then.


|> Source : The Times of India, Bombay edition.


|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran  Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Thanks for the info.


--------
PVR Narasimha Rao
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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Border on Umpiring
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:26:20 GMT


"One should not blame the umpires. They are in the right
 position to make decisions and its a very difficult task
 for them."

 - Allan Border (India-Australia Series, 1991-92)

 The Indians complained about umpiring during the series.
 India led 16-6 in LBW decisions that went in favour of 
 the opponents. In a single match, 8 LBW decisions went in
 favour of Australia.

--------------------------------------------------------------

" We did not play every well. We gave them the opportunity to 
  have some shouts for lbw. We had some good shouts too but
  they were so few and far between that you do not get the 
  decisions going for you. If you're hitting the blokes on
  the pads, say you're going to be given out"

  - Allan Border ("The Australian", dated 21 August 1992
                   Australia-Sri Lanka series, 1992      )


There was some Australian concern when three of the first four
batsmen were given out leg before wicket on the first day of the
first test match between Australia and Sri Lanka. 


Cheers,

Ramkumar

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 V.R.Kumar (Ramkumar Venkatachalam)                                 
 CSIRO, Division of Information Technology                         
 P.O.Box:1599, Macquarie Centre, North Ryde, NSW 2113, AUSTRALIA
From: KSRAO@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Australia wins the First Test
Date: 22 Aug 1992 08:20:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

   Australia made 471 in their second innings setting SL a target of 181
for a win. SL had an opening partnership of 76 but collapsed for 164
all out. At one stage they were 148 for 7 with Mathews having taken 4 wickets.

Rao
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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:52:37 GMT

Didn't you hear about Windies complaining that Australian umpires 
letting Thompson and Lillee bowl from 18yards in 1976(?)series 
which Australians won 5-1:-)

No, I've never heard of that. Doesn't bowling from 18yds mean that you will be
4 1/2 ft over the crease when releasing the ball? (19.5 yds from crease
to crease minus 1.5 yds (4.5 ft) = 18yds). I wonder if a bowler could be
angled forward in such a way that the ball left his hand 4.5 ft in front of
the crease even though his foot was rooted behind the crease? Even Joel
Garner would be at a 45 degree angle to do this.

Andrew Coad
Morgan Stanley
New York
(212) 703-2379
 
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From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: SL vs Aus
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:15:21 GMT


There has been no reporting on the series between SL and Aus on RSC. 
My information is limited to BBC but here it is anyway. 
Nettors with better information access are kindly requested to post news. 
Perhaps Robert Elz?

In the ODI over this weekend, SL beat Aus in a close game. Aus batting first 
made 240+. SL's reply apparently a great innings by De Silva who clobbered 
McDermott for two sixes (square driven) to take 18 from the penultimate over. 

In the first test, Aus are in trouble having been bowled out for around 250 
on the first day. The main damage was done by Wickremasinghe (sp?) who 
took four vital wickets, those of Boon, Border, Jones and Taylor. 

Apparently Aussies have already started to complain about the 
umpiring: both Taylor and Dean Jones were "incredible" about their LBWs, 
Dean Jones being given out not playing a shot. 

	--SAN
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Subject: SRT - No more with Yorkshire; please confirm
From: Sankaran.Venkatesh@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:36:49 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Summary: Adios Yorkshire!

Heard yesterday on the BBC news that 'Tonne' dulkar will no longer play for
Yorkshire, next year. The actual reason quoted was 'I am busy'. Richie
Richardson of WI, and Aaqib Javed of Pak are kept on the waiting list. 
Can anyone confirm/authenticate this, with more substantiating details?



-- 
Venkatesh Sankaran
(04) 476-0226 [Home]
(04) 382-7392 [Work]
Wellington,New Zealand
Xref: sparky rec.sport.cricket:14386 soc.culture.pakistan:13850
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Waqar Younis : Ninty-something .........
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:36:41 GMT

[vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu] Vicky  writes:>
> 	After taking 22 wickets in the recently concluded test series, Waqar
> Younis is close to register his name in record books for taking his 100 test  
> wickets.  Waqar captured more than 5 wickets for nine times.  
	
	That should be, 5 or more wickets in an innings .....

> in  the next test at Faisalabad (Oct 26 to 31) with 7 for 76 and 5 for 54 
> against New Zealand...(12 for 130, the best match bowling figure by a 
> Pakistani against Kiwis....
>
> Then in the 3-match series against West Indies in November 90, ... 5 for
> 46 at Faisalabad (Nov 24).... 
>
> 	In the 1991-92 season, in two more home tests, this time against Sri
> Lanka,.... 5 for 65 in the third at Faisalabad.  
> 
> 	Actually, in the second test at  Faisalabad against W. Indies, Waqar
> Younis achieved the distinction of becoming the youngest bowler to take 50 
> wickets on only 10 tests.  

	What is this?  Four out of nine 5WI, 10 WM and the best bowling 
performance in Faisalabad?  Also the 50th wicket?  Maybe his 100th too??

Vicky:
UMass, Aug 18
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From: ravikane@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ravindra Shantaram Kane)
Subject: Re: captaincy
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:22:42 GMT

While we are on the subject of captaincy, I was wondering if someone
could post Mike Brearley and Ian Chapell's records as captains.
Also, I heard that in an ODI( or a test) Bob Willis got the man of the
match award for his captaincy. Can anyone confirm this?




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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: New York Cricket (Pak vs ROW)
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:05:47 GMT

In article <5a8e95805.0038c4c@myrrh.engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
|>  [stuff deleted] .....
|> 
|>     Amazing ROW team, only one real bowler. An amalgamation of the best batsmen
|> West Indies and India have. Any guesses what audience is being targeted??
|> And what level is seriousness is likely in the actual game?? I'd think Mark
|> Ramprakash is probably some kind of 11th hour replacement - for Kapil Dev 
|> perhaps?? Whoever has organised this game is obviously a master of American
|> style-hardsell - another all-star game.
|> 
|> Sudhama

In fact, I misrepresented the facts here. The game is actually being billed as
Pakistan vs. BEST of the World. I didn't think a header of Pak vs BOW would mean
much to anyone. Last year (or the year before) there was a Pak vs ABOOP (A Bunch
Of Other Players) at Downing Stadium. Sadly, you can't be very serious at
Downing Stadium. There is a running track around the pitch with a four inch high
border on the inside edge. This provides some fun; great cover drives that stop
dead, tripping fielders etc. In fact the best way to field is to stand back from
the running board, facing the spectators, and wait for the ball to bounce back.

Andrew Coad
From: abeech@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Adrian Beech)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Cricket from a different viewpoint!
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:05:03 GMT
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia

Well as I got no response from my first posting to this group regarding
blind cricket, can I assume that no one has heard of it?  Can this truely
be so?  Please if you do know of the game in your country can you please
e-mail me?  I would like to hear from all people who are connected with
the game - either directly or indirectly.



-- 
Adrian V. Beech                              E-MAIL: A.Beech@ext.gu.edu.au
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