HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: the Cretan bitmap (why not?)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:47:21 GMT

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>In article <2AB0343F.24524@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>Seeing as how I've already risked flamage by posting that first bitmap,
>>I'm already in it deep, so why not post the other one?

>	The only software I know of that might read a .bmp file is
>some PClone Windows graphics programs, and the only PClone with
>Windows near me does not have any network connection -- I'd have to
>copy the file onto my Mac, then convert it into a MSDOS file on
>someone else's Mac, then read it from that PClone. Does anyone know of
>a way of turning it into some more accessible format, like gif or
>jpeg? I can make images in both on the Suns I have access to.

I have the same problem..except I am lucky enough to also have a PC clone
at home with Windows..so I downloaded a utility from wuarchives which
converts .bmp to .gif and then passed it back where I could print it.
If anyone finds out about a similar utility which also works on unix
systems ( .bmp -> .gif/.jpeg/PostScript ) I would also be interested.
Anyone needing further info on the PC utility I found should e-mail me.
I should mention that you have to have windows to use it.
/al


>	BTW, I enjoy JMC's posts.

-- 
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Favorite Bible Verses
Summary: _au contraire_
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.024448.29528@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes...
>In article <10SEP199220135953@rosie.uh.edu>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> 
>> >Converting Constantine didn't hurt either :^).
> 
>> True.....
> 
>I suspect I am ripping this from context, but I must say (as a Christian,
>and reporting a substantial body of opinion within modern Christianity)
>that I believe Constantine's conversion hurt a very great amount, indeed.

Well that depends on your point of view.  However I have met
*VERY* *FEW* christians that even know that Constantine had
anything to do with it!

Tammy
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Friends in North Carolina?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:34:47 GMT

In article <9209111946.AA13766@emunix.emich.edu> kaplanj@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU (Jeffrey Kaplan) writes:
>A friend of mine just went off to UNC at Greensboro as a grad student
>and she has no friends there.  If you know of any pagan or lesbian
>groups in that area, please let me know so I can put her in touch with
>them.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Jeff Kaplan
>Jeff.Kaplan@um.cc.umich.edu
>kaplanj@emunix.emich.edu

I don't know much about you -- your name seems familiar.  At any rate,
you can of course understand the trepidation surrounding our desire to
let your friend know about groups in her area, and letting someone who
might have ulterior motives know about them.  Ask your friend if she has
an account; as a grad student at a big university, she should be able to
get one easily.  Post her address, and we can write her directly.

Blessings, and sorry to be so suspicious,
Janis

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Favorite Bible Verses
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:46:15 GMT

In article <8SEP199221092286@jane.uh.edu> lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
}>Paul a deciple of Christ said
}
}Sorry Chris, I have to go against you on this one.  Paul may have
}called himself a disciple of Christ, but he never even met Christ
}much less studied under him.

Good try.  The claim is that Saul met him on the road to the D place.


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From: bcox@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bryan Cox)
Subject: I'm back, too.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:37:03 GMT


Oh, hi again, and merry meet!
 
I have news access again, thanks to the wonderful Nyx computer.  My school's
VAX refuses to open itself to the joys of net.news, and I have to take a more 
circuitous route.
                             
Two topics I'd like to respond to...
  1)  Has anyone here heard of a Wiccan singstress named Gypsy?  Her music is 
wonderful, and no one has mentioned her, at least as far back as I've read.
  2)  Is there some sort of coalition of Hazel-eyed Pagans?  If so, I'm joining.
 
Slan,
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From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: To Murray et al (was re: Jesus did not claim.....)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:30:32 GMT

altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)writes in


>I mentioned in a post a few weeks ago my trials in trying to buy a
>decent old testament bible. I called all over town, but whenever I
>tried to explain that I was searching for a "scholarly" bible, the
>salesperson would rather rudely exclaim that they "did not CARRY any
>LIBERAL bibles here, sir!" Followed by a harumph or two.

I might suggest The New Open Bible study edition in the New American
Standard.  It's published by Nelson publishers.  Look one over first
to see if it suits your needs.  The NAS is a word for word translation
from the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.  They use the manuscripts closest
to the autographed (original) manuscripts.  It only comes in a new and
old testement.  If you really want to get a grasp of what is being said
it would be best to learn some basic Hebrew, get an interliner Old Testement
(Hebrew between the lines), and a lexicon to further assist in understand-
ing word placement, grammar and context.  Do not acquire a Catholic bible.
No offense to any Catholicsthat might be reading, but the Catholic version
of the bible contains extra books known as the Apocrapha.  They are
writings that were not canonized as part of Christian scripture.  This is
where the concept of limbo, purgatory, and praying for the dead came from.

                       <<STUFF DELETED>>

>You can always skip the posts. Usually the titles are indicative. I don't
>think anybody posts to be annoying (aside from the obvious attempts at
>Conversion from the Colvins et al.).

Gee, and here a Colvin gave you a suggestion without trying to 'SAVE' you.
Murray, stop perpetuating this "Colvin" thing.  If you took the time to
read the follow up apologies you might find the above statement to be
unnecessary.  Don't try and start another flame war.

Now, once and for all, and this is the last time:

A survey was posted from compuserve through the Berkeley gateway.  It
was intended only for alt.satanism.  Somehow it got forged to 8 other
groups, alt.pagan being one of them.  Apologies were posted on all
affected groups (except alt.satanism).  Follow up apologies were posted.
Alt.pagan seems to be the only one perpetuating this thing.

For the benefit of Murray Althiem, Alizard at Pac.Bell in Concord, CA. and
Donald the Brewitch:

If my post bothered you, I apologize.  If it offended you, I apologize.
If you're losing sleep over it, go seek professional help.

There, I didn't use the Compuserve gateway this time, so that should no longer
be an issue.  Let the Compuserve thread die.  Don't continue this thread. Just
let it die.

>Blessings,
>
>Murray

Bless you all,
Chris Colvin

ps: Donald, you may want to delete AAAAAAAA from your BBS.  That user is me.
Frankly, you seem like a nice guy, and it appears you have a good system.
I really don't intend to call it again so you can save some disk space.
From: evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Irish God Daghdha Also a War God!
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:47:17 GMT

[If this is double-posted, it is not intentional. ---Thorfinn]

                          Daghdha

From *The Encyclopedia of Religion* edited by Mircea Eliade
Book 4, Page 196.

An Irish deity associated with war and druidry has four names or
surnames in Irish mythology: Daghdha ("good god"), Eochaid
(*ivo-katu-s, "who does combat with yew", an allusion to the magical
and warlike uses of this wood), Ollathir ("powerful father"), and the
Ruadh Rofhess ("the red one of great knowledge"). He corresponds to
the Gaulish Jupiter as defined by Caesar in the *Gallic Wars* (6:17):
"Louem imperium caelestium tenere" ("Jupiter rules the empire of the
heavens"). He forms a couple with Oghma (Gaulish Ogmios), who is the
"champion" and the "binding" god, to make an equivalence to an archaic
sovereign divinity, the dual Mitra-Varuna of the RgVeda.

Daghdha is the druid god, the god of contracts, of friendship, of all
that is intelligible, regulated, and ordered. He is the lord of the
climate and of chronological time, of the elements (air, water, land,
and fire); a wise god and a warrior god, he is also one of the lords
of the underworld.

...

In another tale the "Battle of Magh Tuiredh", he has 3 or 4
disagreeable mishaps, but it is he who, along with Lugh and Oghma,
organize the victorious war of the Tuatha De Danann against the
Fomhoire. But in this war he does not do battle: he is happy to couple
with his wife, Morrighan ("great queen"), the goddess of war.

The Irish scribes, transcribing their mythology much later, made of
him a King of Ireland, most often by the name of Eochaidh. The texts
portray him as a formidable druid, who is also a warrior. His
principle attributes are the cauldron of plenty and of resurrection;
the club that kills with one blow (in this world) and revives with
another (in the otherworld); and the harp that contains all tunes.

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= Thorfinn Einarsson *  ALU ALU ALU  * Midhgardhr Madhr =  
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Wicca and the SCA
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:26:35 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <krikket.7925@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>
>Well, also a thing to keep in mind is that the SCA frowns BIG TIME on magic
>used in battles to strengthen your armor or to help knock down your opponent,
>which probably has a big figuring in the policy as well...
>
>|Krikket              | krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us | I'll *LEGALLY* ordain   !

	I wonder... Is this from a real belief in magic or to be more
"medieval seeming"?  If the first, it makes little sense, as it doesn't
show who is the better fighter, it shows who is the better fighter in a 
purely physical plane.  Unless, of course, this is the purpose of SCA
combat.  If the second, it less sense, as people like Donal have personas
that come from a time when magic was not only accpeted, but expected.
	I also wonder...  Is the ban on prayer as well as other forms of
magic?

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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Christian Census
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:19:00 GMT

In article <gate.67H3qB1w164w@pil.UUCP>, root@pil.UUCP writes...
>Re: Re: Christian Census
>By: hobbs_a #0 @kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Anthony 'the Bard' Hobbs) USEnet      
> 
>> or give them a Church of the SubGenius rant.
> 
>Sounds like a wonderful idea to me....
> 
>Transcript of JW's coming to my house (Paraphrasing some comic I heard a long
>time ago)
> 
>JW: Hello, we'd like to talk to you about our religion.
> 
>me: Only if I can talk to you for the same amount of time about mine.
> 
>JW: Well, does it involve god and christ?
> 
>me: It may, or it may not...
> 
>and they usually go away, but DO be prepared to talk for 30 minutes about
>your religion if they accept your chalange.

A friend of mine did it this way with the JW's.

When they showed up on his door he invited them in.  Gave them
milk and cookies (I'm not joking) and let them do their speil.
At one point they asked him about his beliefs (or something like
that).  He responded (something like) "Oh no, I'm not interested,
I'm a witch."  The two ladies made an excuse to leave immediately.
Every day after that as they approached his house on their 
bicycles they would cross to the otherside of the road until 
they were past his house, then cross back.

He never, ever had problems with JW's after that.

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: To: the Mellow Tigger
Organization: schmorganization
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:47:29 GMT

In article <14SEP199218374929@rosie.uh.edu> 
lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>Boy does your story sound familiar.  I spent a lot of time
>searching myself.  However I think you have stumbled upon a
>fundamental truth.  (please forgive me guys for repeating this
>*YET AGAIN*)  That is that all paths are but different paths to
>the same end, that end being what the Christians refer to as god.
>(Note: I don't mean the anthropomorphic Xtian god, but that 
>creative force or Higher Power as someone once called it that is
>the beginning and the end of all things.)

The transcendent?

And there is such a thing as an authentic path, a path of doing the right
thing. Sounds like you are on your's.
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From: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (DEATH)
Subject: Re: Hazel Eyes
Reply-To: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (DEATH)
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:51:24 GMT

In article <BekPqB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
>gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson) writes:
>
>> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>> > Hey Donal, can we start a "Hazel Eyes" group.  Seems when I
>> > look in the mirror I see these "Hazel Eyes" staring back at
>> > me.  
>> 
>>  
>> what the hell color is hazel, anyway?  is that anything like chartruese?
>>  
>> what happened to blue, green, grey etc....
>>  
>
>Hazel is half green and half brown. Some are green on the outside edge, and
>some are green on the inside edge, but both variants are Hazel.
>
>And.... hazel is the only correct color for the eyes of true Witches! :D
>
 I beg your pardon!!!  I'm a perfectly good Witch, and my eyes are as brown
 as an Oak's bark... My ain true love's eyes are bright green, with Hazel
tendencies, and I actually am better than he is at spell casting, recieving,
and knowing when there's Folk around.  So there! NYAAH, NYAAH! Hazel, indeed!
           Blessed be, and remember, the Good Folk Like Gingerbread and
Bailey's Irish Cream!(But don't we all!)
           DEATH.(otherwise known as one of the many daughters of the
Morrighan.  Blessed be you, me, and the Three.)
75000

>
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From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Learning in North Carolina
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:32:01 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

(Morgan ap Rhys) writes:
>  
> Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft (Raymond Buckland, good practical 
> approaches to magic.  Large, workbook sized book, with blue cover"

I'd be careful with this book.  Some of the info in the herbal section was
blatantly wrong.  If memory serves me correctly, his remedy for menstrual
ills was an abortifact, and not a safe one either.  If a woman is going
to take one of those things, she'd want to know that's what she's doing.
While there was a encyclopedic range of stuff covered, I didn't trust any
of the information after I found that one potentially dangerous goof.
The list of his other book titles didn't fill me with confidence either --
something like Chant-o-matics and something else on Gypsy love charms.

Dawn
"Oh, Time!  Of all the dwellers here below 
You only elevate buffoons or fools,
Or him whose anus as an inkstand serves."
The Perfumed Garden of the Shaykh Nefzawl, translated by Sir Richard F. Burton
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: more Minoan stuff
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00076-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


Another book that has a chapter on Minoan stuff is
=Preiestesses=, by Norma Goodrich.

Bekki Lyn
-- 

Bekki Lyn

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"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
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From: ljt3@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: pagan self-defense
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:41:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA

In article <Lu7oqB1w165w@drc.UUCP> alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard) writes:
>Personally, I believe twe pagans should keep a gun or two around
>the house... because in this time period, the firearm is the most
>workable tool for self-defense. 

I'd like to second this.  And third it.

And not only because of the reasons that he gave, either.

It's looking more and more like bad times are coming again.
--
  Lewis Tanzos - ljt3@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu - LJT3@PL122.eecs.lehigh.edu
   "Under heaven, all can see beauty only because there is ugliness.
       All can know good as good only because there is evil."
I AM HAVING PROBLEMS RECEIVING MAIL.  IF THE FIRST BOUNCES, TRY THE SECOND!
From: vlaad@Eagles.uucp (Vlaad Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Wicca and the SCA
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 09:30:28 CDT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison) writes:
> 
> It's time the SCA started respecting the religious beliefs of all it's
> members, not just the ones that are "politically correct."  Yes, it takes
> an act of courage to do what's right, but isn't that what chivalry - and the
> SCA - is all about??
> 

Wow... I feel that applause is necessary at this point.

Some friends and I are practicing the use of ancient weaponry together (Eg:Bo/Jo
Swords, Daggers, Sword/Dagger, Mace, etc...) mostly out of mutual interest,
but we were planning on attending the Houston Rennaisance Festival and,
if we could work something out, performing our skills with an actual combat
sequence and (possibly) a "religious" rite that would resemble one of the
time (very light on the religion and heavy on the show).  However, if the armour
or shield or sword or whatever I choose to buy/make/use is going to be judged
as to whether it is "politically correct" then I feel that we should reconsider.

After all, a swastika is really nothing more that a Dynamic Sun Wheel, the "SS"
symbol is just a couple runes (inverted), and the "SA" symbol is just another
rune.  None of these are representative of Nazi Germany, although Nazi Germany
(read: Hitler) chose to misrepresent these symbols.  That misrepresentation is
by no means my fault, and therefore, I should not be prevented from using those
symbols in the PROPER way.

-Vlaad Thunarsson

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|Vlaad Thunarsson of Eagles    |                +===+     Ok Hald Vord!|
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: invertied cross
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:47:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.213802.29486@news.iastate.edu>, txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu 
(Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
> an in vertied cross (upside down)is The Coss of Peter. the satonic version
> of the cross is at an angle mesering ether -45 degrees or 225 degrees- a 
very
> comen misconception (figuers are aproxamit).
> 	

  One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life was
when I was traveling through Europe during Holy.Week with
a choir.  When we got to Germany, they had all their "Easter
Stars" hanging over the street intersections.

  Yup, you guessed it, upsidedown pentagrams.

  With flashy lights, yet.

  The fundies on the busses absolutely FREAKED.  They spent
the rest of the tour trying not to be EXACTLY underneath one
when the bus would drive through an intersection.

  Heh, heh, heh.  And I thought _I_ was superstitious.

  Blessed be, Ciaran.

  $uslinit; include oblig.sig <<
  "...And here, Queen Aphrodite, pour heavenly nectar into gold
   cups, and fill them gracefully with sudden joy."  -- Sappho >>
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: poetry from a friend
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 23:43:58 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

My freind Morgan also posted this on HCC, and I asked for and received 
permission to repost it here. :)

untitled


With torches they came.
To my house, my home.
Because I don't think
as they do.

They fired my walls
as their priest read the words
that sanctified their evil deeds.
Because I don't believe as they do.

With stones, they came,
these sinless men, to cast
their stones at my babes
because we don't worship as they do.

We burned, we hung, we were stoned,
we lost our lives in so many ways.
Because we danced in the groves by moonlight.
Because we don't believe as they do.

We still suffer, unto this day.
But now they hurl vile words
instead of stones.
They hang us with lies
instead of stout ropes.
And they burn us with hate
instead of flames.
Because we don't believe as they do.

Morgan ap Rhys - 15 Sep 91


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