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From: s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger)
Subject: Re: For inspiration...
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:24:58 GMT

In article <kmr4.479.724390469@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
>Subject: For inspiration...
>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:34:29 GMT
>
>	I suggest you read/re-read E.E. "Doc" Smith's Lensmen series. It is 
>chock full of wonderful inventions to destroy planets. A must read!

What about Ben Elton's 'Stark'? It doesn't even tell you how the world is 
going to be destroyed, but it's also unbelievably funny. Although the end 
may be not useful for this group....

Jan Peter Prenger           : 'The rich are getting richer and the poor 
University of Groningen     :  are getting drunk.' - Paul Westerberg 
The Netherlands             :
E-mail: s0454850@let.rug.nl :

Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: apb.4845@nd.edu (voluptua love)
Subject: earth
Summary: plasma regeneration
Keywords: earth
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: alt.destroy.the.earth
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:09:32 GMT

flash.  the earth has already been destroyed.  we inhabit a possible 
universe that is not the actual universe.  in the actual universe, earth
has ceased to exist.  i'll explain that if you're interested.  but since 
none of us are actual beings, some of the interest may have gone out of this 
conversation.

love,

voluptua
 
------------------------------------------
voluptua love
University of Notre Dame
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: harry@timesink.chi.il.us (Harold Platypus)
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Solution
Organization: Big Bulging Buffalo Bladders -R- Us
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.092046.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>In article <Byy5GB.4D4@news.iastate.edu>, darcourt@iastate.edu (Eric D Broer) writes:
>> In article <hubbard.3.723717559@che.und.ac.za> hubbard@che.und.ac.za (Mr Grant Hubbard - PG) writes:
>>>To Destroy the Earth ... ?
>> 
>> 
>> Why would anyone want to destroy the earth?  I like it!
>
>What!!! I'm mortified! We have an infidel in our midsts!!!!
>--Ray Cote

Indeed...

I don't think anyone has to destroy the earth. I think about 75% of
mankind needs to die so the other 25% can have a life... If we don't
do it to ourselves, nature will oblige in the form of a disaster or
a plague. How about a rapidly shifting form of flu like the one
described in Steven King's _The Stand_?
- Harry
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Solution
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:15:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu

In article <1gcuajINN8e@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@soda.berkeley.edu (Cosma Shalizi) writes:
>    <Reflexive liberal flame about "And how do you choose which 25%?"
>restrained with difficulty>

	Easy, castrated laborers, every pretty woman, and of course: me!
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: st15@cs.uga.cc.edu (MOJO)
Subject: Test
Followup-To: alt.destroy.the.earth
Organization: UNC at Asheville
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:53:53 GMT


This has mostly been a test
From: lizi@soda.berkeley.edu (Cosma Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Solution
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:52:03 GMT
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley Tentacle)
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec12.083338.16980@timesink.chi.il.us> harry@timesink.chi.il.us (Harold Platypus) writes:
>I don't think anyone has to destroy the earth. I think about 75% of
>mankind needs to die so the other 25% can have a life... If we don't
>do it to ourselves, nature will oblige in the form of a disaster or
>a plague. How about a rapidly shifting form of flu like the one
>described in Steven King's _The Stand_?
    <Reflexive liberal flame about "And how do you choose which 25%?"
restrained with difficulty> Antigen shifting is hard to work, and besides,
flu is untraditional. Breeding an anti-biotic resistant strain (or strains)
of the pneumonic plague would be much simpler and far more in keeping with
tradition. Can you imagine the survivor's children singing "Ring around the
roses, pocket full of Dristan, we all go 'Achoo!'"? No doubt the good people
at Ft. Dietrich have already thought of such things...
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@soda.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist
-- 
"I'd love to hold you/ I'd love to kiss you/ I ain't got time for that now."
-Talking Heads, "Life During Wartime"
"Death needs Time for what it kills to grow in."
-William S. Burroughs, "Ah Pook is Here"
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: The Charter (FAQ)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:05:19 GMT
Organization: not very organized
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In article <1992Dec11.091259.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>You're making things more complicated than they are.  All you have to do is
>squeeze real hard on some matter and it will push atoms so close together that
>there will be a fusion reaction which will release a bunch of energy.  
>--Ray Cote

	Do you know just *HOW* hard it is to overcome neutron degeneracy?

Might as well try to squeeze gold out of pure granit rocks!
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: For inspiration...
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:34:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu


	I suggest you read/re-read E.E. "Doc" Smith's Lensmen series. It is 
chock full of wonderful inventions to destroy planets. A must read!
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror.werewolves
From: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Stephen King's SleepWalkers
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:39:22 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Dec11.140038.25291@walter.bellcore.com>, tld@moon.base.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson) writes:
> 
> BTW - Stephen King appears in a cameo role as the graveyard 
> caretaker....
> 
> Also - during the closing credits, a very haunting, melancholy
> melody is played:  Does anyone know what the name of the melody
> is, and who composed it?
> 

	I know I've seen and responded to this post before.

	Anyway, in the scene above, not only does Stephen King have a cameo, if you take a close look, you'll notice that one of the homicide technicians is Clive Barker (another horror writer).

	The song that's in the credits was also played earlier in the movie; it is by the Irish singer Enya from her self-titled album ("Enya") and is called
"Boedacia" (or some close spelling thereof).  You can find her music under the misnamed "New Age" section in most any music store.

	"Ken Lipka"
	ferret@engin.umich.edu
From: khayman@cats.ucsc.edu (The Brat Prince)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:13:37 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: bite slither cleavage



well our friend from the university of california, santa cruz is alive and
well in fact. Not only is he well, but his account was nuked. 

I return, lestat@cats.ucsc.edu reincarnate.

As for my friend, Gabrielle, he still lives (or dies?) on and I haven't
spoken or seen him in about a month. I am desperately trying to reach him
but to no avail. I just got his new phone number and we'll see what happens.
Yes vampires have telephones too. :)

And as for vampires being voluptuous and ravaging women.... I would give 
anything to have a female vampire as a mate. I have a personal vendetta in
life to prove that a vampire would not be a 'cold fuck'. Excuse the term.

Until later,

	lestat@cats.ucsc.edu reincarnate


Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: apeters2@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Avram (Abe) Peters)
Subject: Anne Rice
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:03:46 GMT

could anyone post a listing of Anne Rice's books?
I have already read all of the vampire chronicles
and would like to know what other books she had written.

Thanx....
avram
apeters2@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ai072@yfn.ysu.edu (Gavin S. Patton)
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:18:50 GMT


Very, VERY good, Raven.  Flame the anemic little mortal but GOOD!
--
From: kat@banach.WPI.EDU (Christina Lynne Freeman)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:30:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: banach.wpi.edu
Originator: kat@banach.WPI.EDU


In article <forb0004.156.724477745@student.tc.umn.edu>, forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:

|> What's your opinion of the Vampire Lestat comic? I saw it briefly in a local 
|> bookshop, sniffed and turned my nose up at it; it sold like wildfire, and, 
|> now that I'd like to get it, is nowhere to be found. 


I thought that it was really weak.  The graphics didn't live up to the story
at all.  I never bought any one of the series.  Instead, I read a couple of
them while browsing in the store.  I wasn't impressed.  The art is really
watered down.  I don't know... Perhaps I'm picky, but I thought that it
needed something.

kat
 ***************************************************************************
      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
 			  your nature than in mine?" 
                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
                  ********************************************
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: exotica@carson.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Chelsea Quinn Yarbro
Keywords: Yarbro's vampire series
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:09:23 GMT

Blood Games
A Flame In Byzantium  

(These are my two fav's...I'll try to remeber to post the rest after 
I find them at home...but these are a good place to start.)

Tsilke
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:10:37 GMT



>All right, I respect your opinion.  After all, what kind of person is
>someone who would admit that they would be willing to become a vampire
>knowing they would have to kill.  Well, I would.  Don't get me wrong, I
>think murder is one of the worst possible things anyone can do, and
>someone who does it should be severly punished. HOWEVER, if I became a
>vampire, I'm sure my opinion would change. (or I'd gain the ability to
>live with the guilt!) :-)
>
>				Chris

  But dealing with guilt is one of the biggest problems that vampires 
probably face. The knowledge that you are a mass murderer who has extinguished
the lives of people who are probably alot more deserving of life. The reason
that vampires have had such a bad image through history is because they 
(assuming they have to kill) are murdering fiends in human form. It has 
only been recently that popular fiction has made the vampire something to
be praised. If you had said that you were ready to live an unlife as a leech
during the  middle ages they probably would have burned you as a witch and
satanist. (The begining of prevenative medicine. Just try and burn him after)

       Cyrus
From: mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON  CHRIS L           )
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 06:33:43 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

->  Sex, but Disease, Famine, Plague, and Death...). This belief 
->  doesn't make me a hypocrite. It just means that I'm not willing to 
->  sacrifice my Humanity (to use a White Wolf (eeeeuch! :P) word) 
->  just so I can become a part of my fevered adolescent dreams - 
->  Power is nice... Freedom from death is nice... But I don't want 
->  to become something other than what I am in order to attain it. 
->  I like being whom I am.  Take Care, All...
->                      - Jonathan
 
Ah, but you've just demonstrated my point!  You refer to your 
"fevered adolescent dreams", who shows that how you see the 
whole idea of vamipres.  Discussion of the topic and reading 
vampire books is one thing, but to actually be confronted by a 
real vampire, in one instant shattering all your beliefs, 
would be another thing entirely.  No matter how much anyone 
WANTS to believe in vampires, until you meet one it just isn't 
possible.  I state again, that if such an occurence did take 
place THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL you would be able to refuse the 
"gift", as you put it.    

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Vampire fangs
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec09.210716.7618@sco.com> brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) writes:
>flindholm@mta.ca writes:
>>  Are the teeth removable or permanently fixed to your canines?
>>        (I've heard of an overbite but this is ridiculous)
>
 [pararaph deleted for space>

>I imagine that if anyone wants to get teeth made they should talk to their
>favorite dentist, and see if they are willing or have ideas.  With a mold
>of your mouth, they should be able to do some amazing stuff.

About seven years go, when my dentist was discussing the propsect of 
porcelain veneers, I asked if he could make fangs. His saids, "Sure, I 
could do that, but why?" I just laughed and didn't explain.
From: v094px3a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Summary: Survival, not murder
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2246@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>, mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON  CHRIS L           ) writes...
>-> I ifnd it interesting that in his notes CHris Mason states 
>-> that he thinks "murder is one of the worst possibloe things 
>-> that antone can do, and someone who does it should be severly 
>-> punished" at the same time say he would not refuse the "Dark 
>-> Gift".   
> 
>While it may sound like a contradiction, I believe that if I (or anyone)
>were to become a vampire, our current moral qualms would vanish. 
>Or at least diminish enough so that we wouldn't try to kill ourselves in
>the sun.

Agreed.  It would no longer be a matter of murder, but of feeding, of survival.
Being immortal, you would have an eternity to protect.  It would make it much
easier to justify draining the life from "hapless mortals who are just going to
die anyway."

Some people say they still couldn't justify their survival by killing.  Try 
giving up eating, on the moral grounds that it kills plants and animals.  Not 
the same thing a killing people, you might say, but when your survival depends
on it, how different is it really?  The instinct to survive no matter what it 
takes is a very strong one.

>-> It is logical not to want to become a rotting, demonic 
>-> predator that lives to ki
> 
>Logic has absolutely nothing to do with it.

What is illogical about wanting to become something strong and enduring?  Not
that many human desires are based on logic, anyway...

>		Chris

brian
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: exotica@carson.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Rice characters are New Orleans gays??
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:34:00 GMT

CEXHSC@TEVM2.NSC.COM (Eric Huang) writes:

>Yeah, there is some parallel there. But I don't think Rice
>is so much equating the Vamps as gays as she is depicting the
>tremendous isolation and loneliness that many in this world
>experience because they are different. It just so happens
>that this experience occurs for many gays. The fact that
>Lestat is passionate with other males does not necessarily mean
>the emphasis is on gays.

This is certainly a reasonable way to look at it, but there's also a lot
of precedent for the characters being gay or bisexual set by her other books.

In most of her books there is a strong gay and/or bisexual presence;

In _Cry to Heaven_ her castrati males were very gay/bsexually active. In
_Feast of All Saints_ there is quite a bit of homoeroticism. In the Sleeping
Beauty trilogy (under the psuedonym A.N. Roquelare) even more so. The
least amount of same sex sexuality occurs in the Anne Rampling Books;
_Exit to Eden_ and _Belinda_.

Given her obvious interest in same sex sexuality in most of her
non-supernatural work
there is every reason to think that
the Vampires actually are gay or bisexual. 

(...And she made it pretty clear in _The Tale of the Body Thief_ that David
(Blanking on his last name- after all this time!! The head of the
Talamasca) is/was gay...)

(...And one of Anne Rices' best buddies is John Preston - Author of lot's of
queer fuck books and queer literature...Anne even apears as a character
in his book _Entertainment For a Master_.)

Silk, ready for that alt.fan.anne thang now.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tsilke Pearlman                       "Bite me, Bite me-Suck on me!"
GFWA (GirlFag With Attitude)                        -Belle Reprieve-
SPIT (Sexual Predator, In Truth)       Lust Vamp, boy-bitch, SexToy

             




>wkh
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Re: Poetry request 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:12:18 GMT

I liked this one, actually.  

It reminded me of Lestat's rock band blaring out the lyrics
"Children of Man, meet the Children of Night
 Children of Night, fight the Children of Light.
 Know what you see
 When you see me."

 Very mournful, in the reclaiming of the Mother.  

 Bravi!

** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **

Marius   ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:50:09 EST
From: Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
 <92345.115921JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> <2219@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>

Greetings...

 mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON CHRIS L) says in a followup:

 "I state again, that if such an occurence did take
  place THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL you would be able to refuse the
  'gift', as you put it."

     Well, I could get snide and say something like, "Are you implying
  a 'vampiric rape' here (Vamp:"You _VANT_ to let me drink your bluud"
  Jonathan (sleepily):"Yesss master...")?" However, as I said previously,
  I value my huamnity and integrity too much to live my life at the exp-
  ense of sentient innocents.
     The vampire (in it's original, pure, unadulterated and uncut form)
  is a symbol of Death, Disease, Corruption, Famine, Evil, etc. etc. etc.
  I can't help it if I encountered the "Victorian Sex-vamp" first (re:
  My "fevered adolescent dreams"). I've outgrown that phase of my life.
  I would never willingly become an anthropomorphization of everything
  that goes against nature and my morality.
     Really.
     (I used to be a philosophy major, now I'm in psych... I'm also one
  of the posters who rabidly defends immortality... I _will_not_murder_
  for my own selfish needs annd wants.)
     Take care all...
                    - Jonathan "just a few more days left" L.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tonya@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Geist)
Subject: Chelsea Quinn Yarbro
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:48:35 GMT

v	the titles I am aware of are:
	Blood Games
	The Palace
	Hotel Transylvania
	Tempting Fate (my personal fav.)
	Out of the House of Life
	A Flame in Byzantium
	A Candle for D'Artignan ??
	The Path of the Eclipse
	The Saint-Germain Chronocles (short stories in contemp. era, quite good)	Crusader's Torch

(Crusader, Candle and Flame are all Olivia stories; Out of House is a half
Madelain, half Saint-Germain story, as is Tempting. Blood games intos. Olivia,
and Hotel intros. Madelaine.  )
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:56:15 EST
From: <THN107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Poetry

    Within the Night

On wings of night, I crave for life.
The dark, forever, my only sight.
Oh bring me laughter, bring me pain,
Bring me death - a man again.

I feel the moon upon my face,
A cold sad place of only doom.
Oh show me the sun or morning's glow,
Show me my death to free my soul.

Closing my eyes, I become the night -
A thing of hunger - afraid of my lie:
"Hundreds of years of paradise"
Or rather a heart that can not die.

-T  (not Terence)


I hope this poem pleases you, Karen, and I hope it gave you comfort, Chris.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Vampire fangs
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:56:04 GMT

alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North) writes:
>In article <1992Dec09.210716.7618@sco.com> brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) writes:

>>I imagine that if anyone wants to get teeth made they should talk to their
>>favorite dentist, and see if they are willing or have ideas.  With a mold
>>of your mouth, they should be able to do some amazing stuff.

>About seven years go, when my dentist was discussing the propsect of 
>porcelain veneers, I asked if he could make fangs. His saids, "Sure, I 
>could do that, but why?" I just laughed and didn't explain.

(This will mostly be of interest to people in or near Greater Vancouver...
geographical pragmatism [did I actually write that!?])

There's this store called The Underground, near Granville and Robson, in
Vancouver. For C$45.00, you can get some vampire fangs made. Usually, they'll
wait until there's about five people or so on the list, so plonking your money
down won't necessarily get them done immediately. My name's on their list, except
that I never got around to paying the $25.00 deposit, so I don't have any fangs
myself, and can't report on how good they look or how comfortable they are.
I don't have the number of the store on me right now, though I could look it up
if anyone's interested.

(Of course, I could just arrange things so that any fangs in my mouth are my
own.... :E)

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
** Hon Cog Sci  Min Psyc  Senate  URC  FARSIDE  LEAD  CCCS  COCP  PSU  **
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