HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Is Crime a non-issue for Blacks
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 09:55:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Aug 12 92 Wall Street Journal: Political Paradox: People With Least To
Fear From Crime Drive the Crime Issue

Interesting article that claims that law-and-order is a code-word for
white fear of blacks, and that blacks themselves even in the worst
neighborhoods aren't concerned with crime as an issue. Quoting an
Alan Turner "I hear white people talking about crime as an issue. I don't
hear black people talking about it. It's almost a non-issue for us".

"Hasan Carter, 29 and unemployed has been robbed twice in recent years.
In one case he was beaten so badly that he suffered broken ribs. He
never reported the incidents.
What would I say? Mr. Carter aks, since he syas the first time it
happened, he was attacked by drug dealers whom he had tried to rob
earlier. The second time he was held up in a bathroom at a concert.
Mr Carter says he isn't involved in crime now and doesn't carray a

weapon now, but he insists he isn't afraid to walk the sgtreets of
his East Wimlminton neighborhood. "It's going to happen to every
black male, black female", he explains with a shrug".


Hmmmm. On the face of it, this is a politically correct piece showing
how whites are just a bunch of racists. On the other hand, are blacks
really THAT unconcerned about crime???

arthur_t_hu@portal.com - does not represent my organization, race, or species
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:02:32 GMT

mhmulli@eos.ncsu.edu (MARTIN HARPER MULLIS) writes:


> On another note, I realize many people believe Buchannon to be racist against
> minorities.  Can someone tell me what he did to deserve this label. The only
> accusations that I have heard held very little weight and appeared as 
> nothing more than political ploys to turn voters away from him.

The most overtly racist remark I have heard of was the "Zulus" and "Englishmen"
comment where he stated that a large number of Englishmen could be assimilated
into the state of Virginia much more easily than a large number of Zulus.
This statement is obviously true, but it is "coded" in a way that most
people would consider racist. He also has been known to engage in holocaust
revisionism, which is a coded form of anti-semitism.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: MORE COURTEOUS STATS :)
Summary: STATS
Keywords: STATS
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: global
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:52:09 GMT


Good afternoon everybody. You are glad to hear from me.
ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT JUSTICE PART V has been lost. It may not resume
in the fall. However, I thought it would be appropriate for you to all
share in the new knowledge that is a product of my latest statistical
research. This time I will be specific with my sources (so reactionaries
like McBeanhead and Malcom la Dildo Moore, etc. won't have that peg leg
to stand on....did I hear something go WUMP? )


First of all, I found out that the Associated Press had also given
the figures together for D.C. and nationwide in the article, which
appeared in 1991 in a New York Times affiliate. 

The figures had risen sharply since 1980, when only 44.1 percent
of the violent crimes in the nation were committed by black people.
But the Encyclopedia of Criminal Justice says that is because black 
people made up under ten percent of the population in 1980.

I decided to do MY OWN statistics using RAW CRIMINAL FIGURES that were
compiled from the state capitol to the Wilmington Police Department.



Wilmington North Carolina (an average sized U.S. city, originally
the largest city in North Carolina) 

Murders in 1991 : 80 percent committed by black people
Rape    in 1991 : 59 percent committed by black people
robbery in 1991 : 80 percent committed by black people
assault in 1991 : 77 percent committed by black people
non agg in 1991 : 63 percent committed by black people
weapons in 1991 : 64 percent committed by black people
VANDALISM  1991 : 53 percent committed by black people
drug poss  1991 : 74 percent committed by black people
disorderly 1991 : 63 percent committed by black people

Murders in 1990 : 60 percent committed by black people
Rape    in 1990 : 62 percent committed by black people
Agg Assault1990 : 73 percent committed by black people

and on and on (all rounded to the nearest percentile)

Source: the Wilmington Police department ( they called Raleigh and got a
											printout)

Don't challenge me you wimps, unless you are a powerful researcher like
IIIIIIII AAAAMMMMMM :).
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:12:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug12.145837.4497@ils.nwu.edu> fano@zoo1.ils.nwu.edu (Andy Fano) writes:
 
>2.  Note how Franklin says that America is "tolerant to her black
>people".  Blacks are not guests and Whites are not hosts.  But if you
>insist on looking at this in terms of toleration, I'd say that all
>things considered, America's Blacks have tolerated Whites far better!
>The point, of course, is that no ethnic group is "tolerated".  That
>implies a somehow more deserving "tolerator" ethnic group that has the
>as yet unexercised right to stop tolerating.

As an entirely emotional response to this, as opposed to a factual or intellect-
ual one, I can say that I associate 99% of that taunting and teasing I've 
received in my childhood (1st thru 9th grade, say) with white faces. And, again
on an emotional level, I'd *insist* to claim the tolerance of the Black
community which you mention. Given this, I wouldn't be disposed to doubting 
factual claims.

Otherwise, Franklin is spewing forth another variation of the "take it or leave
it" argument, which I deny outright.

Mc
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:44:52 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug19.182358.18680@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu
>(David A. Johns) has a conversation with
>1992Aug14.222604.6413@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
>(Michael J. Carpenter)in which Carpenter says:
>
>How about the time I told you about my co-workers who sat there
>wondering what it would be to "do" a secretary - who is Black - and
>you dismissed them a "rednecks"?  Sorry, boy, but those ass holes
>were college educated, "reasonable" white men who would talk as if
>they were Gwen's best friend, then turn around and talk of her as if
>she were some mysterious sex animal that had to be
>"experienced" to believe.  Yeah, rednecks - THAT's the difference
>between educated MF's like yourself and ass holes like them.

>gaby@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) responds:

[a lot of really legit stuff deleted]

>  Thats why most black women will stick like glue to the
>brothers REGARDLESS.

	Uh, I was with you all the way until you got to this
"REGARDLESS" bussiness.  I'd like to know just what you mean by
regardless, because I beleive there are certain black women who would
be better off not sticking to certain brothers.  The word "REGARDLESS"
bothers me here, because it seems to deny the possiblity of abuse.
	Is sexism, objectification and violence from black men any
different that the same thing from white men? Is the abuse of one
preferable to the other?  I don't think so, and I certainly hope my
own sister doesn't think so. 
	Black women don't need to "stick like glue" to any man, black,
white or otherwise. Like anyone else they need to stand up for
themselves. If a woman want a man, it makes sense to find one who will
treat her well, REGARDLESS of his race.
	Sorry, but when I hear stuff like that above, it sounds like
black women are pledging to "stick by the black man" no matter what he
does. I think that does some women a lot more harm than good.

>Furthermore, the word do is slang for killing as well.  Im going to
>do my old lady tonight.  Outta the mouths of babes...

	My point exactly.

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:36:38 GMT

mcbeanhead@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.033930.6310@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("No Real Bizness") writes:


>I think the PC term for "Franklin the Flippant Fool" is that he is
>intellectually challenged.

>> Malcolm Dildo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu

>McBeanhead



Although few people with any intellect have been on this soc.blah.blah.
blah to challenge me with anything (oh yeah, some bullshit about my
stats being bad....we'll see .........heeheehee :)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:41:11 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Franklin and citations!

   I just want to inform the network, again, that I have asked Mr. William
Carter Franklin for a citation on his statistics about Blacks and crime, and
his only answer has been the AP (what a great answer, I wonder if I can cite
like that on my dissertation!).  He has made up everything he has said, I wish
everyone would question him on his stats, especially the one where Black
'hoods are patrolled 3 times as often as white hoods in his area, and that
any white who goes down a certain section will certainly by murdered or mugged!
Common sense tells all of us that if this were the case, the national guard,
patriot missiles and Colin himself would be hanging out in that 'hood.
Please question this man.  Finally, where does this man go to school!  I want
to send my 10 year old brother there NOW, because if this guy can get a 4.0
in math, my brother can get his phd in a year.  This guy has no clue about
statistics.  Again, I have asked him 16 times for a citation, and he is still
silent towards me, so if we want to shut him up, just ask him to prove what
he says!!!!
Kevin
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Bush and drugs
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:27:28 GMT
	<92228.153131AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 15 Aug 92 19:31:31 GMT

I'll tell you why people care about Bush's health and I'll sum it up in
two words:  President Quayle.


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

(Bush just drops another point in the polls....)
--
Peace.
          "Until the lions have their historians,
           tales of the hunted will always glorify the hunter."
                        - African proverb
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:10:32 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
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In article <1992Aug12.134800.9303@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>What _I_ can't understand is that there are people in the streets homeless,
>and the postal service is spending $1 200 000 tryin to figure out if people
>want a fat Elvis or a fuckin skinny Elvis.  That's what I can't understand.

As I heard it, they turned a profit.  

Seems like a good reason to me.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: BEEEEE CONSISTENT NOOOOW  :)
Summary: CONSISTENCY?
Keywords: CONSISTENCY?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: global
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:07:31 GMT


Just one last point I would like to make before the summer break
ends. You know I really like the saying that someone had in their
.sig that said "Don't just adopt opinions, develop them". I think
that's how it went. Anyway, when we discussed the "system" from time
to time this summer, it seems like "it" only got the blame when a black
person failed at something.

But when I mentioned the Dream Team and the U.S Track Team and other
heavy Black achievement such as Colin Powell and Douglas Wilder, etc.
the rhetoric was LOPSIDEDLY in favor of INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENT.

I laud individual achievement, to be sure, and I think the world of 
these Black achievers and someday wish to elect A BLACK PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES (Hopefully I can be his OR HER Vice President).

But let's take a minute to evaluate our objectivity. In our welfare
discussion, and our crime discussion, many responses blamed every black
failure on the "system". As if there is some white panel in an office
somewhere going "hee hee hee" ...plan, plan plan plan.

Pity us if we have such a group, but their credibility would be so low
that their power would be decimated.

I hope that soc.blah.blah.blah will be a little less one sided, and
blame-oriented because of me. If that happens then I will be satisfied.
Remember, failure is an easy well to fall in when you use the bucket of
blame as your elevator.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: [William H. Magill:  Some Welfare Notes]
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:30:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: pslu1.1992Aug19.153034.4063
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <ISBELL.92Aug18172811@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu  
(Charles L Isbell) writes:
> johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
> |> Who is John Galt?
> |	The man who said he'd stop the motor of the world, and did.
> 
> ....in a work of fiction.

  ....entitled "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand


Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: ONE SIDED SOC.BLAH.BLAH.BLAH
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:53:39 GMT

I've had to read even more screeds from this cat Franklin.
.
What gets me is, does HE ever work?  Because the amount of sludge he
puts on this board is enough for an 8-hour day.
.
Another thing, dude..there were no DATES connected to those news
stories.
.
Lastly, you talk about census figures being adjusted...so are polls.
Everybody's got a study. And studies can be skewed by who is doing
the study, just to prove THEIR point, including the sources of Mr.
Precious.
.
Please, people, let's not give the guy any more chances to belch up
even more misinformation. Don't even respond. Let him spew his
hatred elsewhere.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:12:42 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Aug19.160256.4806@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

# dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
#
# [..]
#
# >The following is an excerpt from Manning Marable's _How Capitalism
# >Underdeveloped America_:
#
# >                    ...  The irony of the newest "war against crime"
# >is that white police, politicians, and law enforcement officers have
# >been nonchalant, at best, in aiding and defending Blacks' lives and
# >personal property. The foundations of the modern US police state are
# >designed specifically to ensure that the killings, rapes, and
property
# >thefts of Blacks continue unabated -- so long as whites (especially
in
# >the upper classes) remain protected." pp124-126.
#
# And the police go where the crime is.
# What is so prejudiced about that?

Did you actually read Darryle's posting before answering?

David


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:31:31 EDT
From: <AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Bush and drugs

In article <1992Aug15.002933.25228@morrow.stanford.edu>,
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) says:
>
>Those of you, like Wanda McCrae, who wanted further proof that
>President Bush is on drugs:
>.
>This just in from the Los Angeles Times, printed in the S.F.
>Chronicle Friday, August 14, 1992:
>
>DOCTOR REPORTS ON PRESIDENT'S HEALTH
>control Bush's thyroid. Remember, he reportedly takes 5 other meds.
> I suggest you folks sniff out the WSJ and Time for just those
>articles.
>.
>As I said before in previous posts, Halcion's side effects include
>amnesia, confusion, anxiety, hostility, hallucinations, agitation
>and violence.  If it had been announced that he was officially off
>Halcion in February, why he is suddenly on them "occasionally"?
>Sounds like abuse to me.  They could find something else less
>hypnotic and less addictive and less dangerous.
>.
Frankly, I'm not quite sure why all this obsession with Bush's health. He does
not seem to be losing sleep over it, so why should anyone? The thread of this a
rgument is overworked and tired. Besides, this "someone is on drugs (even if it
is Tylenol" argument is a matter of interpretation. It is like asking someone
"Do you drink?" English is full of ambiguity etc, and if you wish to split hair
s everytime someone speaks, there is a lot out there to keep you occupied.
---
Akin Akioye
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Producing Black films (Was Re: 'Daughters of the Dust'..Wow!)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:29:48 GMT

In article <14AUG199210515557@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>,
edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:
>
Does anyone know if Forty Acres and a Mule has produced anything
other than Lee films??  I honestly dont think so.  I know that Spike
Lee didnt want his company to be a mecca for ALL Black filmmakers
but was his intent for it to be a mecca only for himself??!!
Also, I think that SL has a Musicworks company in addition to his
Filmworks.  Who does this produce?  I agree totally with the above
sistuh (Gabriel, I believe), we need to have our own studio PERIOD!
.
.
I remember how defensive Lee got with Matty Rich when he did
"Straight Outta Brooklyn"--to the point of almost mashing the dude.
 I say Spike is good at promoting himself (and perhaps others that
agree with him like Singleton), not to diss the bro', but hey,
variety is the spice of life so let's get busy, shall we?
.
Spike is also diversifying. For instance, he's opening up a clothing
chain (one is going to open in September in downtown S.F.)
containing all his mess from his films and then some. This made the
fashion pages in the Chronicle over here. I guess Willie Brown, our
assembly speaker, is going to have to switch from Wilkes Bashford
(the chi-chi society menswear store in SF) to Spike.
From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:49:17 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

<KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>  the one Republican who still impresses me, and who I would seriously consider
>voting for in 1996, is Jack Kemp!   He really cares about minorities, and other
>underrepresented peoples in this land, and puts his actions where his mouth is.
>He is one of the few Republicans who is like that.  I think we should begin
>watching that man more closely.  Well, those are my opinions thus far in this
>convention.  I like watching the Republicans more than the Democrats because
>the Republicans "lie so bad"!

It is quite funny between the attacks of nausea.  Some of those people
scare the hell out of me.  Kemp does seem to have a good grip on]
what is going on.  Just keep Pete Dupont out of the place.

!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:48:47 GMT

wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:




>William, from where I sit your argument seems to have, degenerated into
>unthinking, flag-waving dogma.

why all the commas?



>Why is the U.S. a better place than Canada for blacks to live ?


Because how many Canadian chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff R black?
How many Canadian Government officials are black?
How many Canadian Black people are there?
Does Canada spend as much money on black people as the U.S. (NOT).


>In which country is a black male more likely to be incarcerated ?

Tell them to stop committing crimes.


>In which country is a black male more likely to be murdered ?


By another BLACK man? Remember my previous argument against Silly
Bigot Sistah's thesis: Black people are killing BLACK people every day.

>In which country do blacks have a lower life expectancy ?

Canada


>In which country is a black child less likely to get an equitable 
>education ?

We have Head Start. 


>In which country is a black child more likely to grow up in a demoralizing
>ghetto, an urban war zone ?

It's the violent black people that vandalize and kill in these areas.
Your home is what YOU make it. You spray painted the wall, can't blame
whitey. YOU smoked crack. Can't blame whitey. YOU carry the nine. Can't
blame whitey for your alternative choices as an individual.

>In which country is a black more likely to be subjected to demoralizng 
>drug profile stops, police harrassment and brutality ?

So if a black person is using drugs in the United States police are
supposed to look the other way?
(On a sidenote, I DO hope that the LAPD officers get what they deserve).