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From: jlewis@astro.as.arizona.edu (Jeff Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: What happened to Tom Servo Friday night?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:12:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Oct5.190942.19522@u.washington.edu> starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:
>kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>
>
>>I flipped on MST3K Friday night to find that they were showing "Ring of Terror."
>>(Shouldn't "Rocket Attack USA" come after "Catalina Caper?")  Anyway, instead
>>of being the normal gumball machine top, Tom Servo's head was just a clear
>>cylinder the same diameter as his "neck" usually is.  Since it was a gumball
>>machine before (and is now), I assume this was just temporary, but they made
>>no reference to the change.
>
>>Does anyone know what was up?  Was this explained in Rocket Attack USA?  Did
>>they misplace Tom Servo's head that week?  Anyone?
>
>They may or may not have actually misplaced Servo's head (they have a bunch
>of spares, actually), but I do recall Joel making some comment about Servo's
>cool new haircut or something.  I think it was just a one-episode joke.
> 
>-- 
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Yes Tom got a really cool "haircut" he had it for several experiments..I do
however prefer the old look...glad they went back to it..

Jeff
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From: Cliff Chaput <chaput@ils.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best Brains Starcon appearance
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F1B14FF901649B@mac1155.ils.nwu.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:57:03 GMT
Organization: Institute of Learning Sciences, Northwestern University
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.050632.8635@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Ben Scott,
bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
>In a post by greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt):
>> greetings from their many friends here on the Internet, and our hope
>> that one day they might find a way to join us personally.  I noticed
>> immediate recognition from all of them, and I was told that they
>> appreciated getting the hard copy (70 or so pages of it) every few
>> months and *everybody* on the staff reads it.
>
>Did you notice how, in replying to the mention of Usenet, they all
>simultaneously made hand gestures indicating a large sheaf of papers
>(fingers held about an inch apart)...

Well, if they actually do read this stuff, then we can send messages
to them! (Hi Joel, Crow, Tom Servo, Gypsy, Cambot, Magic Voice...)
It would be nice if they were on the net so that they could answer
back.  The only way we have of getting messages from them is through
the show.

Saaaay!  Wouldn't that be cool if the net got mentioned on the show!
We could actually have some kind of two-way communication here using
two disparate high-tech media.  Turnover time would be about a year,
but it would be worth it to see Joel and the 'bots acknowledge this
small hub of MiSTy fandom.

Whadya think, sirs?

Cliff Chaput                   | "The scribes on all the people shove
Institute of Learning Sciences |  and bawl alliegence to the state.
Northwestern University        |  But those who love the greater love
chaput@ils.nwu.edu             |  lay down thier lives; they do not hate"
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Episode Guide Paradox
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:40:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Okay, here's the deal: "Officially" (that is, according to Best
Brains), _Women of the Prehistoric Planet_ is episode 104.

Problem is, this is clearly hogwash: here's why.

1) In episodes 101-103 and 105, the show starts out with credits,
then commercials, then goes to Deep 13. Then there's the Invention
Exchange, which Joel does without the Bots. Also, there's no littls
grape-dispensing flashing-light device on the desk. In all
subsequent Season 1 shows, the sequence is: Credits, Joel & Bots
Bit, commercials, Invention Exchange. And there's the
grape-dispenser and the Bots help. _Women_ should at least be after
105 (_The Corpse Vanishes).

2) The first letter at the end of the experiment is a response to
the Avocado Boy brainstorm. Avocado Boy was in Robot Holocaust
(Listed by Best Brains as 110).

3) The second letter references Tom Servo's head blowing up in
Corpse Vanishes (again, BB#105) and Project Moonbase (Best Brains
Number 109).

The textual evidence strongly suggests that _Women_ was made after
the place it's given in the Best Brains episode list. This has
created a slight division in privately-maintained episode lists
(Rich's list puts _Women_ last, and incidentally puts Robot Monster
before The Crawling Hand), whereas Lisa Jenkins' list (following the
order set down by the loons at Best Brains) puts _Women_ at 104.

Oh, if only they'd started putting the slates on the movies back in
the first season, this would be so much easier.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (Not necessarily a rabid completist; just trying to organize
things)

Oh, here's something else: At the beginning of both _Hand_ and
_Robot Monster_, Joel introduces the show ("Hi, I'm Joel, I'm
trapped up in outer space . . ."). In _Women_, it's "Hi, I'm Joel,
I'm _still_ trapped in . . ."). So he'd explained it already,
y'see.
-- 
"Am I a drunken loon? Whoo! Whoo!"        | pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
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From: donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on STARCON, Denver, this weekend!
Organization: none
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.062057.11432@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> ramsey@spot.Colorado.EDU (L. Ron Hubbard) writes:
>>>The channel 23 episodes *cannot* be released because (and I tell you this
>>>in all confidence) they did not exactly have the rights to the movies.
>>>something like, channel 23 had the rights to show them, but not for MST3K
>>
>>Best Brains says that the KTMA episodes are owned by them, but they are held up
>>by problems derived from the Merger of Ha! and The Comedy Channel. Now that
>>KTMA has "found God", and become KLGT, there are probably even more problems.
>>Thanks for the report, wish I had been there. Or, that the people who run
>>Minne-Con would have them at our con. but here, the SF-Fan contingent seems
>>to be "above" such silliness. Too bad, because the Con here has been boring
>>as hell for the past three years. 
>>
>
>I don't know if the Ha!-Comedy Channel merger would affect the KTMA
>episodes at all.  It might affect the showing of the Comedy Channel
>episodes though (which could explain why *I* haven't seen any of those
>episodes, or maybe I'm just a johnny-come-lately and missed them earlier)
>
>Mad Poo

I don't know how it could have affected those shows either, but that is what
I was told by Best Brains. Perhaps it has something to do with their attempts
to sell the show to HBO.....

					--Judex--
<Best Brains did say that they would be included in the syndication package.
And quite a few of them have been done again on the show, so they do have
the rights to some of them>

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From: gregs@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: KILLER SCHREW!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:54:30 GMT

Ho, boy.

I never thought I'd see the day somebody actually made that drink.
I love MST-3k; but someone who would actually make the drink and then
drink it??

You're pathetic, but somehow I respect you.

Another addict - in fact, I'm watching the TORMENTED tape as I type...

Gregory.

(Don't you love it?!)

-- 
Gregory Sumner                        ::
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Seattle, Wa                           :: 3-0
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Some parts may not exist
From: mduhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Matthew Duhan)
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:37:07 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
Keywords: Sky fits heaven so ride it!

In article <1992Sep28.221840.691@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan) writes:
>Sky fits heaven so ride it!
>
>Have you thought about long distance lately?
>
>Do you get annoyed at all the commercials we have to see over and over again
>when taping MST 3K?  Sure, we all do!
>
>The actual size of a Jolly Rancher candy is 3/4 of an inch by 3/4".  Square.
>
>I think that's the only reason I would like to see MST on syndication.  I
>don't see how they can syndicate the show because 1) it's 2 hours long,
>and 2) it's just plain weird.  I don't know if the Atlanta market is any
>indication, but I don't think any of the local stations that would be looking
>to syndicate a program would have a 2-hour block to fill, and I would certainly
>hope they don't split it up into 1-hour halves.  That would not be the 
>ginchiest.
>
>On the brighter side, think of all the good things we'd get to be without
>if we no longer had to watch Comedy Central to see it!  No more AT & T
>commercials, no more of Penn Gillette's annoying voice-overs, no more of
               ---------------------------------------------- no, instead
we would have the local announcer's annoying voice overs.  While I am a big
fan of Penn & Teller, I also enjoy the closing theme and hate when Penn talks
over it.  How about a compromise- Let Teller do the voice-overs.

>that annoying Allan Havey or that insipid Brian Reagan from SAST.  At least
>we don't have to see that kid from the Encyclopedia Britannica commercials.
>
>Although in Comedy Central's defense, I have to admit that lately I get
>a "funny tingly feeling" whenever I see Mo Gaffney from Women Aloud.  Wonder
>if she goes for younger, decidedly un-feminist men?
>
>USENET's Chuck
>
>-- 
>                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
>SPY Magazine's 1,000 Reasons Not to Vote for George Bush:
>NO 427: Bush said, "Comme ci, comme ca," to a nine-year old Hispanic
>	child in Harlem.

  On the other hand, syndication might be just the thing, especially if the
movie goes into production.  Then all the local stations will jump on the
bandwaggon to get something to replace Jackie the jokeman or old Batman reruns.
Just my 4 cents.
Matt

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From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: Best Brains Starcon appearance
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 05:06:32 GMT

In a post by greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt):
> greetings from their many friends here on the Internet, and our hope
> that one day they might find a way to join us personally.  I noticed
> immediate recognition from all of them, and I was told that they
> appreciated getting the hard copy (70 or so pages of it) every few
> months and *everybody* on the staff reads it.

Did you notice how, in replying to the mention of Usenet, they all
simultaneously made hand gestures indicating a large sheaf of papers
(fingers held about an inch apart)...

As for the wad of bills thrown into the front row center, I might add that I
didn't get a one from that.  I did end up with money but it was handed to
me... 

.                            <<<<Infinite K>>>>

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From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Iowa State HomeEc
Date: 27 Sep 92 05:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

To the peson at Iowa State who was looking for someone with the MST
episode where they were making fun of the HomeEc at Iowa.  I have that
on tape and about 40 other episodes all without commercials, so I get 4
episodes on a tape, I have everything so far that has been shown this
year and previous episodes from the early stuff I by no means have
everything yet but I am working on it.  E-mail me if you want to discuss
terms.

Glen Evans
University of Arizona
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From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: I shall taunt you a 2nd time
Organization: Borland International
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:59:32 GMT

heath@anchor.as.utexas.edu (James Heath) wrote:
> 	My MiSTie pals and I went to see Batman Returns at a Dollar Cinema
> here in Austin, and talked the whole film thru.

You have to be very careful when MiSTifying films in public places that
you aren't disturbing the folks around you.  Usually this can only happen
if you aren't very loud and the theater is loosly packed enough that you
are only near your friends.  MiSTifying videos works much better because
the environment is much more social and you can always rewind if you need
to hear what is going on in the movie.

..Wayne..
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: ...doesn't get much worse
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:11:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct5.194539.11496@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>You saw Gallagher instead of MST3K?
>
>I feel for you, man.  Just think of this:
>(from the "Things that are funny floating" sketch)
>
>JOEL: Christopher Reeves in Superman: funny or not funny floating?
>TOM: Not funny.
>JOEL: Right.
>
>JOEL: Christopher Reeves in Monsigneur: funny or not funny floating?
>CROW: Funny.  Very funny floating.
>JOEL: Right.  Now here's a toughie.  Gallagher, funny or not funny?
>EVERYONE ON SET: NOT FUNNY.
>JOEL: Definitely not funny.  We'll be right back.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, just to nitpick, Joel actually says "*Extremely* unfunny."  Minor
difference, but I felt like being real picky, so...

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: chubbard@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Charles William Hubbard)
Subject: Re: The Answer to the Pizza Enigma
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:01:30 GMT

>To simulate the sounds of spaceship doors swishing shut the folks at Best
>Brains decided to whisper the word "pizza".

Did you just make this up, Bud, or is there some reason to believe you?


Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: thove@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (hove tom)
Subject: Re: The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Dirty Quote File (MST3KDQF)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:28:37 GMT
Keywords: She's wearin' her jimmy shoes.

Here's a gem that was left out of the "Hom Economics Story" section:

Woman Professor:  "Let me tell you about a few girls I know real well."
Tom Servo:        ". . . and why I'm being fired."

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From: ccwwcc@mixcom.com (Lynn-Anne Friese)
Subject: Re: Episode Guide Paradox
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 19:12:52 GMT

From article <38873@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, by pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins):

[....]

> The textual evidence strongly suggests that _Women_ was made after
> the place it's given in the Best Brains episode list. This has
> created a slight division in privately-maintained episode lists.

> Oh, if only they'd started putting the slates on the movies back in
> the first season, this would be so much easier.

They _did_ use slates in the first season.  My copy of "The Crawling Eye"
is from Best Brains (Thank You, Mike Nelson), and at the beginning it
has a slate.  Granted it looks different than the ones they're using
now, but it still has the same kind of info ("The Crawling Eye", show
#101, etc. etc.).  That's part of the reason why I, too, found it odd
that the episode list they sent out themselves had "Women of The Prehistoric
Planet" listed as #104.  Clearly, that can't be so.


-- 
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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: MST3K Saturday Evening Showings -- Mistakes?
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:21:53 GMT


Out of curiosity, I've noticed for the last two Saturdays it's been on that on
the Saturday evening showing the programs start with the slide from the
beginning of the tape (e.g., "Show 414, 8/18/92 Broadcast Master D-2, Reel 1,
Dolby C")

Is this a mistake on Comedy Central's part, or is it intentional?
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From: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: commercials
Keywords: I came here to eat sushi and kick butt. But I'm all out of sushi!
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:57:14 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

"There's no Kosugi like Sho-Kosugi like no Kosugi I know"

Anyway, how can you all forget the "No-Run Nylons" commercials???  I'm
glad that I don't have to worry about that fork ripping my friends' nylons
anymore!
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From: maus@fid.morgan.com (Malcolm Austin)
Subject: Re: Obtaining rights to films
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:56:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.155448.18349@PA.dec.com> snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>
>We frequently hear that MST3K isn't always able to "get" films they want to do.
>I'm wondering how different an agreement they need to be able to use a film on
>their show, rather than one negotiated for a "straight" broadcast of a film.
>
>For example, just about anyone can record a cover version of a song, with or
>without the publisher's permission (although the royalty rates are
>substantially lower if you negotiate with the publisher ahead of time.) 
>However, parodies or other send-ups of songs *do* require the explicit 
>permission of the publisher.  Is there some similar difference in the film
>industry?  In any case, I'd imagine the agreements are different in MST3K's
>case because they aren't negotiating a one-time broadcast; they're effectively
>incorporating a film into an episode of their show, and that episode may be
>aired an indefinite number of times.

It is true that anyone can record a cover version of a released song.
(I forget whether or not "released" means record or radio.  I think the
former.)  Anyone can do a parody as well, without the author's permission.

An issue which is often disputed with parodies is who gets the writer's
royalties.  (C.f. "derivitive work")  In some parodies, and in industrial
music, which has spawned many lawsuits on this topic, actual cuts from the
released record are used, and that's a no-no.

Just to forestall a rebuttal, 'Weird Al' Yankovic has long had a personal
policy of not releasing a parody without the consent of the author.
This is not a legal requirement, just him being a decent guy.  That is
why the release of "Yoda" (from "Lola") was delayed so long, until he
got the approval of what's-his-name from THE KINKS.

I'd be very surprised to learn that a publisher can actually quash a parody,
provided he gets the royalties at the "cover" rates.

All that said, these rules are completely irrelevant for movies.  When MST3K
says they can't get a movie, I assume that means that Comedy Central can't
(or won't) afford to obtain it for them.  And they would certainly have to
pay a broadcast fee every time they showed an episode.  Maybe it is that
negotiation that hamstrings them.


    "George Phblat's new film, 'Benji Saves the Universe,' has brought
    the word 'BAD' to new levels of badness.  Bad acting.  Bad effects.
    Bad everything.  This film just oozed rottenness from every bad
    scene...Simply bad beyond all infinite dimensions of possible
    badness.  Well maybe not that bad, but Lord, it wasn't good."
-- 
=Malcolm Austin==w:(212)703-6134==h:(914)633-3966==maus@fid.morgan.com=====
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: What happened to Tom Servo Friday night?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:06:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BvntpB.61x@solbourne.com> kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>
>I flipped on MST3K Friday night to find that they were showing "Ring of Terror."
>(Shouldn't "Rocket Attack USA" come after "Catalina Caper?")  Anyway, instead
>of being the normal gumball machine top, Tom Servo's head was just a clear
>cylinder the same diameter as his "neck" usually is.  Since it was a gumball
>machine before (and is now), I assume this was just temporary, but they made
>no reference to the change.
>
>Does anyone know what was up?  Was this explained in Rocket Attack USA?  Did
>they misplace Tom Servo's head that week?  Anyone?

In "Rocket Attack USA," Joel gives Tom a "haircut," thus flattening his
head into a cylinder instead of its usual spherical shape.  Tom had this
new head in "Ring of Terror," but in the next episode (can't remember
which one that is offhand, dammit!) Tom had his original head, with no
explaination ever given.  Oh, well, I like it better this way anyway,
so I'm not going to complain.  Now, if they can just "mysteriously"
get Josh Weinstein back on the show...

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: I KILLED JOEL ROBINSON! (was: How can Frank push The Button)
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:09:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you

friedman@clam.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:

>...like, suppose TV's Frank was still alive: what would he be doing...?

Hey, I'd vote for him.  President Frank!  Then rather than TV's Frank he
would be USA's Frank!

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