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From: ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:44:28 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <iw.711753605@tosser>, iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) said:


>If any of you dare have a party in Ireland while I am  not there I will
>.....................  Well I 'll think of something very nasty to do
>you all.  And it won't be nasty/nice it will be nasty/nasty!
>
><Enormous hint>  I should be London/Dublin in Sept.

well, that certainly sounds like it would fit in with various other
plans that I've heard...Ang?  Peter?

Elaine
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kranitz@dspalley (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE)
Subject: I'm baaaaack!
Organization: Nowhere
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:58:52 GMT

Hi everyone,

Well I'm finally back. As the manager of the band, I've been a little
lax <Bad boy, I need to be punished>.

Anyways, the first two weeks before my vacation, I got worked to the
bone. Then I went away for 2 weeks. When I got back, I got sent off to
a class, then we had to get ready for an audit.....well, you
get the idea.

Anywho, things have smoothed out and I can get back to my duties. The 
band list will be completed this weekend and will be post.

Now I suppose I need proper punishment <evil grin>. The line forms
to the right <wow, is it long>. Will it hurt much????? <ohhhhhhh>

<huggs> and <kisses> to everyone,

Wes

Still <I hope> manager of the Soc-Bi Musical Enrichment Society (ie, the band)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Coming Out
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.192126.31435@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pw04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL E. WINTERS) writes:

>I prefer, even though women are not currently
>and might never again be a part of my sexual experience, to retain the label
>bisexual for my self-identity, if only because I don't want to deny all of the
>years of wonderful experience I have had with women, 

Yes, that's part of the reason I call myself "bisexual".  When I loved a man
that experience was real to me, not a mistake of some kind.  Same when I loved
a woman.  And all this regardless of what happens in the future.




-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:02:04 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) wrote...
>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>Well it's official then.  Let it be know that Sara is not coming
>>back to Edinburgh.
>>Are you bringing your cat?
>
>Ah, well I was going to ask Bill to look after her while I was away, but
>this puts a different light on things ... poor Moggie, she won't like
>the quarantine.  Any good jobs for parallel programmers out there?
We'll have lots of special treats for Moggie when she's finally 
allowed out of quarantine.  
And, it appears that there are more jobs for parallel programmers than
there are for graphics programmers.

>Sara - who has just done a practice run for her talk and it was *crap*
Me thinks you're a little hard on yourself.

Ellen
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:14:04 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) wrote...
>>You mean you're going to send *me* back?  But I'm fully guaranteed and
>>*everything*!

>Well it's official then.  Let it be know that Sara is not coming
>back to Edinburgh.  How convenient, since we're looking for an 
>apartment/flat right now.  (Hopefully we will have one by the time 
>you arrive - unless you want to have a say in the location of your 
>future residence.)  Are you bringing your cat?

Ah, well I was going to ask Bill to look after her while I was away, but
this puts a different light on things ... poor Moggie, she won't like
the quarantine.  Any good jobs for parallel programmers out there?

Sara - who has just done a practice run for her talk and it was *crap*
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:59:13 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark):
>>*SEPARATES*
>>*SEPARATES*
> 
> This iz anothar isue thet seperates our comminuties.  The spelling priveledged
> from the spellinng diverse.  

yes, but i can't think of a more useful side effect of binary
oppositions than privilege, especially when role playing.  i
mean look at all the tops and bottoms, sadists and masochists,
blonds and brunettes, femmes and butches, fats and Adonises,
closet cases and rebels.  it makes me hard just THINKING about
all my privilege.

ohhh, and NO, you can't fuck me.  you're too under-privileged
today, and it's not like i'm running a food kitchen here in
my calvins.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: julie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Next of Kin, Group Marraiges and Who Cares
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:51:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I'm responding to Cam's response to Muffy's response to one of my
posts, just in case is bothering to keep track:

>>Who is it that you think is going to "care" in the sense of doing
>>something to make things less unjust?  Only us, and we already *know*.
> 
> 	Jumping into this discussion late, and with a newsreader that has
> suddenly gone berserk, I'm wondering.... does it really matter whether
> it makes a difference or not, in making a decision not to marry? 

I agree with this statement completely.  However, since I was the
individual who asserted that people _would_ care if we rejected
marraige "en masse" I guess I should comment about that.  I'm not sure
exactly what to say, however.  That was more of a "gut reaction"
comment to someone else's "who cares" comment and I don't have
anything to back it up so I'm not going to defend my statement that
some people would care if we refused to marry, because in retrospect I
think it was an irrevant comment for me to make and I can't really
come up with a good argument to justify it.  Oh well.  Down the hatch.

>>...I *do* hope that the
>>people who are protesting the injustice of motos-couple-only marriage
>>are protesting the injustice of couple-only marriage as well...
> 
> I think I saw a few folks protesting that, too, but I wouldn't want to
> misattribute anything.

I made a specific comment about opening the doors of marraige to
people regardless of who they mary and _how many_ people they marry,
so yes I am protesting something beyond the genders of the people
involved and including the quantity as well.

Personally, I want to do away with the notion of "marraige" and simply
define "next-of-kin" and be allowed to decide who on this world I
consider my "next-of-kin" whether I sleep with them or live with them
or whatever, because I don't _have_ a family except for my close
friends and I don't like the idea of the family I disowned two years
ago being able to decide things for me in the event that I become
incapicated-- a very frightening thought in the extreme.

--Julie
                                                                                
--------------------------------------------------------------------            
 "Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is             
the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a               
simple matter to drag the people along...  All you have to do is tell           
them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of            
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."                                 
                                                                                
                          -- Hermann Goering, 1936
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Look who's back - (was Re: Coming Out)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:48:56 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:

>pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
[on bbq-ripple]
>>No, Sara banned it.  (And I certainly didn't object.)
>>I think she threatened to use her clippers on anyone who brought it.

>It would have been worth it. Wonder what I would look like with short hair?

Well I need no more encouragement than that.  Those wishing to see Jon's
new No. 1 (Prisoner pun intended) should attend the Next Party.  Didn't
I hear someone in Cambridge offering?

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series: THE LIST
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:36:13 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Jul27.153020.9330@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David Anthony Wyatt) writes:
> [. . .]  Perhaps I should have closed with
> Ernie and Bert from SESAME STREET instead.  Those two guys living together for
> all these years, sharing a bedroom...  And why is it Bert is always so 
> interested in Ernie's baths?

 Oh, you *FIEND*. How on earth am I going to take Sesame Street seriously ever
again? <grin>

 -- Fenthe 
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Bi Edinburgh (was Re: Another newcomer...)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:53:45 GMT

In <17257@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>Another apathy alert was when a group of us were discussing the film "Fried
>Green Tomatoes at the Whistlestop Cafe". I said I was dissappointed at the
>film makers for shying away from Idgie and Ruth's lesbian relationship.
>Everyone else told me I was imagining things, and that the characters were
>just good friends. Are these people blind, stupid or both?

Another movie involving an understated queer relationship is one called
"Proof" (about a blind photographer---don't ask). If you're straight
then you'd probably miss the bisexual angle. The film is great anyway,
but interpreting from a queer perspective makes it even better.

Back to _Fried Green Tomatoes_... Ruth was married at one stage in the
film. So was Idgie (she got married "off-screen" after Ruth died) so it
strikes me as strange that you would refer to their relationship as
"lesbian." It goes back to the old question of does a bisexual person
only have hetero/homo relationships, depending on the sex of the
partner, or is there such a thing as a bisexual relationship.


<> If you want peace, work for justice. --- Unknown sage

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hiya!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:16:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Jul22.081656.1594
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <ceP6Yx600VIGI0po1I@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Sherrianne M. Johnson" <sj1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Ex muffin, watch out, here I am!  :D
> 
> Felt like bounding exuberantly out of the e-closet (although I'm fairly
> out where I am (Pittsburgh, Pa, anybody around that I don't know
> already?? )) and saying, Hiya!

 *bounce*  >>hughug*lick*nuzzle<< !   }purrrRRrr{

 Welcome !

> It feels great to read (and finally post) here...so many friendly
> people...it's such a difference from the RL world.

 Ah, come the revolution.. :)  

> Anybody interested in discussing things like how it's different to come
> out as a bi-person, rather than a monosexual person?

 I'd be interested in hearing, though I can't add much myself, having only
really come out here, and to a very few people RL (with, so far, uniformly
accepting reactions, I'm pleased to say).

> sher
> sj1s@andrew.cmu.edu

-- Porsupah !
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Party
Keywords: Phwar! phew lick slurp snog hug wow
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:00:57 GMT

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

|angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:

|>I had such a nice time at the party. For those who wish it:

|>        / *teddy-bear*hug*      \

|Can I have this one please?

|Sara

Sure. Any time ;-)

Angi
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:05:59 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <24290@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>My apologies.  But I wouldn't be very happy if someone suggested that
>someone visiting me didn't bother stopping in Edinburgh but instead went
>to Glasgow as quickly as possible because that was where it was
>happening.  But I think you're right, I was indeed *worrying* about this
>damn paper I have to give before I get to head west and I've been

Thanks, but no apologieare necessary :)    I see your point.  And speaking
of papers (Eeek!)...  

	"I must finish this paper.
	 I must finish this paper.
	 I REALLY MUST FINISH THIS PAPER!"

But must I really get to work on it tonight???  AAaaaggghhh...

______________
Djelrik  (I hope I'm spelling it right)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: hopkins@turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Return Bride of the Son of the Party from Hell on Roller Skates Part VII
Date: 19 Jul 92 00:16:47 GMT
Organization: The Turing Institute, Ltd.

I've been having some really great times in Edinburgh recently, but
something horrible has happened: Does anyone know how to get Mc'D's
BBQ sauce (sans ripple) out of a leather jacket?

A group of us met at the Peartree pub, in the beergarden.  The place
was packed with gothic types (black leather jackets, gray lipstick,
purple hair, "DON'T TALK TO ME" and "UGLY BASTARD" t-shirts, pierced
frontal lobes, etc).  You can really get away with a *lot* in a place
where it's *decidedly* *uncool* to be alarmed by other peoples
bizzarre behavior!  

	-Don
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9894 soc.motss:33120
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:17:09 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <Bs6IK9.9vr@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>
>You can either laugh at me or lead me.  You choose.


Bwhahahahahahahaha! oh. sorry. Where's my leash, ah, here it is, SNAP.
Come along boy, we're going for a walk.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi in body or in mind (was Re: Bis and marriage)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:27:59 GMT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:


>By the way, long time muffin Coe is considering posting.

Coe - will you please stop teasing us with this "I might get around
to posting" and actually do it.  I'll never ever lend you a certain
memebership card again if you don't.  

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:47:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.100848.26763@ioe.ac.uk> teuelhe@ioe.ac.uk (LULU HEALY) writes:
>>In <1992Jul30.015952.769@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>
>
>[stuff about distribution of bi's in relation to kinsey scale deleted]
>
>>Good point.  There may also be a skewed distribution of
>>self-identifications due to social constraints, since there is still a
>>lot of pressure to pick either one end of the Kinsey scale or the
>>other.
>
>>--John
>
>Are you suggesting there is a similar pressure to pick EITHER end of
>the Kinsey scale?
>
>--Lu
After the strategy of denying that homosexuality exists is abandoned,
the strategy of denying that bisexuality exists is its replacement.

Homophobes can deal with homosexuality best as something "out there" as 
far removed from them as possible.

And as I've suggested in another thread, seeing bisexuals as blurring
boundaries is a reaction het and homo bi-phobes may have in common.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:47:16 GMT

In article <40013@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>
>So you read two insulting posts, ignore the posts from other married
>bisexuals, and take umbrage at all of us?  Your anger may be justified, but
>it lacks focus.

My article was also about the reality of rifts and real reasons why they are
there.  Bisexual is not the same as homosexual, but it would be nice to
address those differences in a constructive way.

>Yes, hurt from someone that you thought was a friend hurts much more.  On the
>other hand, it helps to be aware that there are very many different people
>here, and there's no p[artticular reason why we should agree on *anything*.
>And if "warm and caring" means that no-one ever discusses anything
>controversial, that no-one asks difficult questions, (as you're doing now)
>then I shall either leave or rock the boat.  I want support, not suffocation.

It was also a strong emotional reaction to tension between my marriage (which
people who have read other posts on soc.bi know I value deeply) and what
at least seemed to be presented as politically palatable queer values.
I've already stated which would win out, so I was feeling that if I couldn't
resolve the disparity, I should opt out of the forum.

I find a lot in what you have written but in a sense I don't want to over-
rationalize the issue.  It has emotional content for me that I feel the need
to express.  I start on these things with rationality in mind, and by the
time I'm done sometimes suprise myself with the anger I've found under that
surface calm.

>I accept you as bisexual. I accept you as married.  How queer you are is up
>to you, in a number of ways.

And up to others, in many more.  We all realize what a powerful force social-
ization is.

>Dave.

And I'll be the last to say I'm objective on the issue.  Some of what I said
might have just been blowing off steam, but it helped me to say it.  This
is also the only public forum I'm open about my sexuality in, and the whole
concept of openess is on unstable footing.  Sometimes I'm looking for new
footing so I can get past this and move on to something better.

The other problem is that I'm neither a public nor political person, and so
am not skilled in either arena.  The issue is important enough to me though
that I'm leaving my comfort zone, and seem in doing so to have gotten stepped
on.  Maybe what I'm saying more than anything is "Ouch".


Brad
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Touching and the Party
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:22:25 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Jul20.163122.6359@sci.kun.nl> rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert) writes:
>Absolutely. Even though I hugged, stroked and touched a not-so-minimal
>number of people, I strongly have the tendency for the other to take
>the initiative. That is because I really don't want to do anything that
>the other one wouldn't like. [As far as I know, I succeeded in this.]

Rats.  Rats.  Treble rats.  Now I can't tell whether you didn't want
me to touch you or you thought I didn't want to touch you or what.
Whatever.  Sigh.  I guess I'll just go and hide in a corner.

>If someone says, verbally or otherwise, `no', then it's /no/. No
>questions asked (at least not at that moment). Even if I'd personally
>wouldn't mind (understatement :-) to continue or go further. And yes,
>this has happened once, on sunday if I recall correctly. (You know who
>you are - twas nice anyway.)

[Kay turns green and stomps off, muttering enviously]

>___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
>\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!

Not my fault.  Not my fault.  If I'd had *my* way, you'd still have been
finding stroop and/or Brie in various crannies...

	mad, bad, and hating national boundaries, specially wet ones.
		Kay


-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Party
Keywords: Phwar! phew lick slurp snog hug wow
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:31:15 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew Jude Brown) writes:

>In article <23908@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>>Scuze me!  I had legs ...

And I still do, tho they are jeans clad just now.

>All I can say in my defense is that the T-shirt was so bright, it was
>difficult to see anything else ...

The shorts were pretty deafening as well.

>- Matt (begging forgiveness for forgetting Sara ... ;-)

Hmmf, well I *suppose* I'll let you off, if you ask *very* **very**
nicely ...

Sara, wondering what punishment might be appropriate for this innocent
      young thing ...
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Hetero/bi/homophobia
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:39:20 GMT

In <1992Jul28.174859.7324@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:
>> >Its usually feelings incongruent with one's identity that provoke such
>> >violent actions.

In <1992Jul30.164628.842@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517) provides some good examples of
this.

I think that our disagreement is just a matter of degree. Helped along a
bit by me interpreting "violent reaction" in a physical sense, while I
guess you used "violent" in a wider sense.


<> Boris Putanec (bp@cs.brown.edu):
<> 	Why do people hold hands so long before the first kiss?
<> Jon Harley (J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk):
<> 	Perhaps because you know the wrong people?

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/