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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 06:59:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.053547.28943@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:

>that building was built by ching, but this was far before the birth of the
>rok.  today, the building is belonging to the government of roc.  if rok
>government ignores the right of roc government of owning the property in
>korean (because the termination of the political relation).  roc government
>can use the same logic and reason to take over the korean embassy in taipei.
>ther is nothing to do with who built what.  it is the matter what is belonged
>to whom.  two buildings are all the properties owned by two governments.
>they are the same.

Not true.  (Not that I liked to see Beijing taking over the former Taipei
embassy, but...)  The embassy is legally viewed as *Chinese* property, so
whichever government is viewed as the legitimate Chinese government (and
legitimate successor to the Ching government) gets the property.

For example, let's say that A dies and leaves his property.  Initially, his
nephew B is considered his heir.  Therefore B gets the property.  However,
later it was found that A had a son (C) who really should be his heir.  C will
be able to get the property due to the inheritance rights.  It is the same
case here, since Beijing (not Taipei) is now viewed as the legitimate
successor to Ching.

The Korean embassy in Taipei is in a whole different situation.  If after B
was declared the heir of A, in the case above, B purchased a property with his
own money that had nothing to do with the inheritance that he got from A, then
naturally, even when C shows up, he has no rights whatsoever to the property
B bought.  It is the case here; the Seoul embassy here had nothing to do with
Pyangyong, so North Korea has no claim whatsoever over the property.

I understand (and share) the frustration of seeing the property going to
the communist regime in Beijing, but let us not, because of the frustration
and the bitterness towards Seoul, impair our reason.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: a Korean view on recent diplomatic development.
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:23:34 GMT

In article <78774@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Anitesh Barua) writes:
>As a Korean, I want to defend the Korean position regarding this matter. 
>
>I turely hope that we, koreans and ROC people can get along with again. However, my point is that we don't think we deserve such unrefrained accusations and nasty words.  The clear fact is that even my hope can come true only from development of relationship or politics between chinese not from Koreans. 
>
>This is basically a defending view from a korean, welcome any informative argument.   BTW, I am using my advisor's account.  If you want to send any personal email, please use BYUNGTAE@UTXVM or post it in this group or in soc.culture,korean.  God bless all hardworking people who really want to be free from all imperialistic powers.       BYUNGTAE LEE.

His article was one of interesting ones among some trash-talking mud-throwers'
articles. Probably you guys were upset because you though Korean government
betrayed your coutry or because we were your friends, etc... You don't need
higher I.Q. to figure it out that there is no such thing like everlasting
enemies in international politics. Even Israellis and Arabs are talking
peace now. It may sound cruel, but you have to accept the fact that you lost
another diplomatic war against PRC. Besides, the Koreans are not the only
ones who BETRAYED old friends. And this is just from my curiousity. What made
you think Koreans are your friends? From the best of my knowledge, two
countries never did any big favors to each other(Correct me if I am wrong)

I am not defending the act of Korean government and really do hope people from
two countries get along and you can convert the anger, if there is any, 
to some positive form of motivation to construct better Taiwan(or China).
When you achive your goal of making one china by some means and lead the
world, we, Koreans, will truly admire you.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12550 soc.culture.korean:4045
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:22:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Aug28.172202.6855
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Aug28.105841.3665@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.170044.24181@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>	** James Choi, are you a Korean? Your last name sounds
>	   like Chinese. 
Wow, do Chinese people have "Choi" too... I always thought I can be pretty
sure when I see "Choi" (s)he is Korean..  BTW, I am sure James Choi is
Korean.

>	   those applied to person. One of the principle you suggested
>	   for a nation to follow is "Jian4 Li4 Wan4 i4" (see benefit, 
>	   forget moral obligation)
Hmm... I always wondered what the figures after words stands for.. like
"Jian4" above.    I guess it kind of represents some highness of sounds or
something like that..because I heard that Chinese has such things and even
same letter with different highness (is there a better word? you know what
I mean, :-))..means different things.

BTW, is Law Chinese name?  (Forgive me if I am touching private things..)

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
         kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:55:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.121700.9011@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.171038.8569@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
>>
>>Suggestions: How to Ensure  Taiwan's Independance (TI)?
>>
>>
>>1)  Draw out all the hard currence to buy weapons. Tell ...
>>
>>2)  Strict control over minorities in Taiwan. Prevent them ...
>>
>>3)  Win international support. Ask those African countries ...
>>
>>4)  Assassinate those mainlander or taiwanese politicians ...
>>
>>5)  Forget PRC. Have a nice sleep. Tomorrow'll be another 
>>    day! 
>>
>> 
>> --August 1992, in a very exited mood, night before heavy sh*t fall.
>
>It was possible to have Taiwan to be independent.  But, the governemnt
>in Taiwan missed the opportunity.  Somehow, politically, economically,
>it is quite difficult to do so now.  But, it may be getting easier in
>the future.  Things are changing.  Regards.


I don't quite understand you guys' questions.
Is Taiwan an independent nation or a sub-state of another nation now?

If Taiwan is not an independent nation now, than who
is Taiwanese Head Master?

If Taiwan is an independent Nation now, why all the fuss about
Taiwan's Independent?

Now come to real question.

If Taiwan is an independent Nation, than who makes you believe
that Taiwan is not an independent Nation, who makes you smart
educated guys brain washed?

Taiwan is THE independent Nation and KMT & CCP make us
believe Taiwan is part of China.

The fact is Taiwan is an independent country over hundred years.

Take my advice, move those KMT to KMT's own Mongolia, or
KMT's own Tibet, or KMT's own Mainland China and let
CCP and KMT fight each other, then they(CCP & KMT) will be
so busy in fighting each other and forget Taiwan and
leave Taiwan along.
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:48:50 GMT

In article <Aug.27.23.15.14.1992.22488@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.080800.24578@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>> In article <Aug.26.10.21.20.1992.9023@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug25.185028.10446@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>>>
>> >You must be fucking out of your mind if that is entertaining. People
>>              ^^^^^^^
>>              Come on, take it easy.
>>              No DIRTY word please.
>
>Just for entertaining,
>You sounds very much like what my ex-girl-friend used to say in the bed.
>
>Jung S. Lee
>
>P.S. Please send me all the flames regarding this post by e-mail.

I will be pleased to spend a night to sleep with you and suck your ass hole.
Please send me your address and I will be there next evening.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12316 soc.culture.korean:3833
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:10:49 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <1992Aug23.191205.19865@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.142909.5098@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>>
>>Hopefully, we can still work something out.
>>
>
>maybe.  how about let roc government take over the korean embassy in
>taipei, and sell it to north korean as their trading center.
>
>cs shao.

Good idea.  Most of people from Taipei, Taiwan know that the S. Korea embassy
was located on the 4th Section of ChungShaw E. Rd. where is one the most
expensive areas in Taipei.  In my memory, it is about over US$560 per square
feet for the land, excluding the building.  I don't know how big there, but I 
can imagine that's a lot of money.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Enough ROC/K bashing already.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:36:48 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Since the news came out, much hatred and Korea bashing has been displayed on
usenet.  Is this the proper way to act everytime a state decides to switch 
relations from ROC to PRC?  Banning Korean imports may have temporary impact
on Korea's economy but it the long run it will hardly be noticeable.  Retaliat-
ing by selling ROK assets in Taipei to DPRK is ludicrous.  Just because DPRK is
an enemy of ROK won't mean they will take Taiwan with open arms.  Taiwan (ROC)
stands for everything they hate (capitialism and a fledgling democacy movement).
Taiwan needs clear headed thinking to come through these obstacles alive.  Let's
not waste our precious time by hating the South Koreans and think of a way to 
prevent it from happening the next time around.

Taiwan has an powehouse economy and a $81 billion U.S. foriegn reserve so Taiwan
isn't ineffective in the world economy.


-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:20:42 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <BtrxC2.7Dx@multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
> 
> The fact is Taiwan is an independent country over hundred years.
> 

	** Ownership of land is defined by people who live on the
	   land.

	   People live on Taiwan, before and now, are Chinese.

	   Taiwan never have independence problem, before, now,
	   and future.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The future of Taiwan (Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:37:32 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug28.010933.14252@engage.pko.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>I hope not. 
>
>Let's be fair, without the effort of some DPP's members in the early 80s, 
>People on Taiwan probably still live under political repression which 
>happened during 60s and 70s.

I do agree that the DPP had a useful role to catalyzing some of the
changes on Taiwan.  The trouble is that now that most of the political
repression is gone, DPP seems to have a bit of an identity crisis.

DPP can decide to be the "party of opposition to KMT" or it can decide
to be the "party of Taiwan Independence."  The trouble with being the
"party of Taiwan Independence" is that it loses a lot of support from
"pro-China" people who would like to see a healthy opposition party in
Taiwan.  Unfortunately, DPP seems to have chosen to this and is
attacking the KMT where it is strongest (the Taiwan/China issue),
rather than focusing its attack on areas where KMT is weak (the
environment for example).

This is rather unfortunate since two-party political systems tend to
be more open and healthier than one-party domainant political systems.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Korean Bashing (Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!)
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 30 Aug 1992 14:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.163112.18553@terminator.cc.umich.edu> ywh@asterix.merit.edu (Woody Huang) writes:
>ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! This korean bashing thread, often time irrational and
>ridiculous, only shows how narrow-minded and ignorant some oversea taiwanese
>are.  I, also from taiwan, happen to think korean government did what they
>have to do and the fact that they delayed this for so long already cost
>

I was somewhat surprised to hear a friend of mine saying that S. Korea
was very Gou4 Peng2 You3 that they delayed establishing relationship with
mainland China for so long.

Chou1
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Can we not all get along?
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:02:53 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>For
>Taiwanese Holo, genetic analysis points out that they are more likely to
>be a sinicized Yue people but the analysis is blurred by the
>intermarriage of Holo and Taiwanese Pinpu (Austronesian or
>Proto-Malayo-Polinesian).  

This is very interesting. If this is a result of rigorous research,
would you mind provide us with the references (journal on which it
was published)? Thanks. 

Also, is the "Yue" you mentioned as in the first character of Vietnam?
If so, aren't they the people who now live in Guang3Dong1 and/or
Guang3Xi1? So HoLo are not people from Fu2Jian4?

-Chunshi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Language
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:02:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.062853.28358@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>
>Furthermore, the oppressive and destructive language
>policy in education and media in the past 40 years
>have caused tremendous psychological wounds in non-Mandarin
>Taiwanese speakers.  With new children being born every day,
>if we don't take actions soon, this linguistic wound
>will be fatal, and our mothertongues will be lost forever.
.............
>speak H"ol"o.  This reflects a lack of confidence in our own
>language and heritage, possibly for the reason that it's
>"not Chinese enough."  Young women especially tend to be
>ashamed of using their non-Mandarin mothertongues, because
>they are afraid of being associated with the low-class image.
..........
>of truthfulness to it.  Many people think of non-Mandarin
>mothertongues as the languages of the blue-collar workers,
>servants, illiterates, and people with no taste/class.

This is interesting. In PRC, Mandarin is only the mother language of small
portion of the population around Beijing and Northeastern China. These
people are probably the offsprings of the Manchurian people, who had been
sinilized after they conquered China hundreds years ago. Most of Han people,
just like local Taiwanese, speak different kinds of non-Mandarins. 

Young women in PRC also consider non-Mandarin inferer, not necessarily because
it implies low-class feature. Most people think Mandarin is more beautiful
simply it sounds better, or more musical in its nature.

>Mandarin, the newcomer language, forced the other languages
>into a submissive position, and these speakers dare not
>challenge it because they are afraid of offending the newcomer.
>

'Newcomers' or KMT with its staff mainly from Esatern and Southern China, 
are not native Mandarin speaker either. Because KMT adopted Mandarin from
Ching Dynasity as an official language, also because its staff speak
also different dialects, they, especially their children, have to speak
Mandarin. The fact is that most 2nd generation newcomers have completely 
lost their own mother language. 

If young womem in Taiwan like to speak Mandarin because it sounds more
like from a movi star, I don't see anything bad or sad.

Huachen Pan
Espoo, Finland
-------------------
the account is not mine


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: About Big-5 Coded Chinese News
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation. (TEL: 408-437-3031)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.034525.21062@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>    Is there anybody who knows where I can get Big-5 coded Chinese news
>    from Taiwan?  Any comments will be highly appreciated.
>
>Tzyh-horng Cheng
>-----------------
>txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu
>
>
>P.S.  I know that there is a ftp having some Big-5 coded Chinese news,
>      but they are out-of-dated and not from Taiwan.
>


This is a FAQ. Try to contact john@jho.com for hongkong-faq/part2 which
was posted here recently.
or contact HUANG, CHIH-HSIEN      at      NATIONAL CHIAO TUNG UNIVERSITY.

Here is a clip from his posting.

The Taiwan Ministry of Education's (Jiao4Yu4Bu4) anonymous FTP file
server in Taipei is moers2.edu.tw.  Most of the information there is
in Big5 code.   (I think it is very wise of the Ministry of Education
to establish this file server and to encourage Taiwan/worldwide growth
of computer networks.)  Poke around the ahkcus.org anonymous FTP site
for the software to use to read the Big5-encoded Chinese characters.
Perhaps the easiest (Unix) way to read Chinese netnews is under
cxterm, distributed with X Windows, but I don't know.
 
To get a load of help files [some also oriented to telling you how to
read the Mainland China GuoBiao Chinese character set]
Send the line: GET CMHELP PACKAGE
To  : LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET   or:  listserv@uga.cc.uga.edu (internet)
 
| FROM:  HUANG, CHIH-HSIEN      at      NATIONAL CHIAO TUNG UNIVERSITY
From: chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What a childish talking !
Date: 30 Aug 1992 02:32:52 GMT
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers (UCSEE)
Reply-To: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu
Summary: Let's keep this civilized
Originator: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU

[Alot of Flame Deleted]

>>I don't think this korean guy is mature enough. Anyway, no matter he is a
>>korean or not, I have an advice for him, "WATCH YOUR MOUTH!"

[More Flame Deleted]

>  The reason is simple.   " I AM A KOREAN "

Guys guys guys, ethinic pride is one thing, this is too much. Please keep
the exchange of this sort to private email shall we?

>C. S.  Park


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu M.T.Lu
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:40:14 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.141118.9571@linus.mitre.org>, 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
|> When I have lived in MiauLi (military service) for two years, and noticed
|> that the local people (Ke4Jia or Hakka) hate Min3Nan2 people just like
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
|> TIers hate CCP.  
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Funny! My Grandfather is a Min3Nan2 and my Grandmother is a Hakka. They don't hate 
each other. Their parents didn't hate each other as I was told. 

|> mountain tribes.  Of course, you know there are more than nine tribes.  I
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please use the new term, "Native People" or "Native Taiwanese." Some of my
native Taiwanese friends are sick and tired of being called "Mountain People" 
(ShanDiRen.)

|> Zhang1Zhou).  If Min3Nan2 people want to build two contries, that is O.K. 
|> Is it fun?  Every body could be a President, and every body will be
|> happy.

Independence or not, we could build even more countries if unification comes. There
are Han People, Manchurians, Mongorians, Tibetans and those Muslims in Xingjiang.
Sorry, pal, you didn't make a point here.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: old Her[4] and Christine
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:18:07 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <laahjmINN5q5@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

>>.  Both of my parents are "mainlanders", coming to TW
>>around 1949, so I am surely a "pure mainlander".  Am I?  I was born in TW and
>>had lived there for over 20 years.  Shouldn't I be a Taiwanese?  I love TW and
>>have no feeling for the Mainland China, so how can I be regarded as a
>>mainlander (or ex-provine)?
> 
>>--Christine

	** Christine, no one would say you are a "mainlander".
	   However, you are indeed a "Chinese". 
> 
> 	My name is Mitch Yang and I am a Taiwan Independence advocator.
> 	Come. Come join us !   Be part of the solution, not the problem.


	** Exactly, don't be a problem. 

	   Not only don't be a problem to the society, more importantly, 
           don't be a problem to yourself.

	   If you decide to advocate TI, you are likely to WASTE at least
	   ten years of your life for just a dream, an ugly dream.

	   Identify yourself as a "Chinese" and discard TI.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:12:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.142909.5098@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>
>Hopefully, we can still work something out.
>

maybe.  how about let roc government take over the korean embassy in
taipei, and sell it to north korean as their trading center.

cs shao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Korean Bashing (Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:37:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.111104.3667@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>
>	   US "government" is not entirely "people-elected". There
>	   are more "appointed" officers than elected officers.
>
>	   Who is running the government? I think most government
>	   offices are run by those "non-elected" officers.

And those officials were appointed by one who was elected (the President) and
confirmed by a group that was elected (the Senate).

And please stop arguing on semantics.  Substance is more important than
semantics.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan