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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:00:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

     Subject: Kelvin's UFOs.
             In the past I had a teacher or Guru who taught me 
     many things.  In one of our conversations he told me about
     a man by the name of Kelvin Rowe, who lives down in Southern 
     Calif. in a town called San Jacinto.  Merle (my teacher)
     mentioned quite a few things about Kelvin and that he had 
     written a book called "A Call At Dawn" explaining how he 
     had taken rides aboard space crafts from other planets. 
             Kelvin is a retired heavy equipment operator (he 
     drove catapillar tractors).
             After first hearing about Kelvin I exchanged a couple 
     of letters with him and about 15 years later I finally 
     set up an interview with  him.  By this time he is 82 years
     old but in good condition, but a little slower than he used
     to be.
             He then told me that he had contacted some space 
     people near his home and he was taken on a lot over 200
     rides.  One of the many unusual things about Kelvin is that 
     he was never able to bring any other  person along with 
     him on his space craft trips.  He also said that at no time
     was he ever taken to another planet to land.  He was taken 
     very close but never to another planet.
             When I was about to leave after interviewing him he 
     came out with a statement that a lot of people tell me.
     The statement was "I could tell you something that probably
     you wouldn't believe".  His statement was that during his
     many trips aboard the flying saucers they finally taught
     him how to walk through a metal wall about 4 inches thick 
     with his clothes on and come out the other side of the wall.
     I then told him my teacher Merle had told me about the fact
     that he (Kelvin) could do this thing so I was not too surprised.
             In my talking  with Kelvin I was informed that his wife
     had written the book about Kelvin's experiences.  Some of 
     the space people even worked in the local grocery store in 
     the past and his wife said she could recognize them as they
     drive down the road in front of her house.
             One way you could tell if they were space people is 
     that they could walk into as room with the doors closed.
     So it looks like these people look like us.
     These space people were very attractive looking and sere from
     the planets Pluto and Jupiter.
             I'll leave you with this saying; One man or woman with
     makes a majority.
             That's all for now, John F. Winston.
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:20:21 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <1992Aug12.135755.17052@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>Offhand, the bible (KJV) seems to give numerous instances where it is
>not only not wrong, but required:

[lots of obscene vomitous bloodthirsty filth deleted]

>Are you saying that the bible, as written, provides incorrect guidance on
>this matter?

	"How do you say 'We are wise, and Yahweh's Torah is with us'?
	 In fact, here, it was made for a lie, by the lying pen of the
	 scribes."

[Jeremiah viii:8]
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Subject: Re: Goal vs. no goal
Reply-To: jeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:51:44 GMT

Douglas DeMers wrote:
>
>Methinks this thread has about run its course...

Not quite! (but almost)

Ok so what's the concensus? I think everybody on the net agrees
now that we should all have a goal? :-)

No, seriously, I think there is truth in Marc postings as well
as in mine. I think the balance was this. Life is evolutionary
and dynamic by nature. We're not meant to sit around idly, we're
meant to do things, and also to become more aware of who we are.
Whether we are completely consciously aware of the direction our 
life is taking, or of the direction that something inside of us
wants our life to take, may not be the most important thing. What
is important, as Marc (I think) seems to be emphasizing, is that
we should not grasp at things. We should not expect things or be
attached to the outcome of events. I agree.

Marc- the reason I say "(I think)" above is that half the time you
respond with those rhetorical zen quotes which I don't always
understand or find applicable.

Jeff
--------------------------------------------------------------
|    Jeff Chance                       | That to which you   |
|    Dept. of Chemistry                | give your attention |
|    McGill University, Montreal       | becomes stronger in |
|    MAIL: jeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | your life.          |
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From: patb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Stargates
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:58:50 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Aug20.222523.20988@athena.mit.edu> adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein) writes:
>patb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) writes :
>
>
>>...and became instant addicts...
>
>
>This single line disturbed me the most in the posting.  I do not doubt that you
>experienced powerful, intense things with the stargate.  I do think that the
>reason you felt these things is open to interpretation - channeled beings, group
>meditation, imagination-driven mind-body link, etc.

Hello Andrew,

As the original stargate poster, I agree. It was a powerful experience but all
I have by way of an explanation is one person's interpretation and how do I
know that it's correct ? (Though it does "fit the facts" admirably.)

>IMHO, you contain everything
>within yourself, and hence a spiritual practice should tell you to look within
>for experiences. 

Even if something external can help you by affecting what's inside you ?

>Of course, there are many many valid techniques for doing said
>searching; but when someone tells you that you need something outside of 
>yourself
>to heal or spiritually advance or whatever, I think warning bells should go off

Nobody said you NEED a stargate. It's just a tool to speed your progress.
(In fact its main use is for inter-dimensional travel but that's another
story.)

Alcazar, the being apparently re-introducing stargates to humanity, usually ends
his channellings with something like:

	We acknowledge you
	We salute you
	We love you
	We are you

Pat
-- 
Patrick Brosnan.  <patb@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!patb
Northern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. Phone : +44 81 945 2135

"I look out across a slumbering sea of humanity" - Ken Carey
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:11:57 GMT

In article <63994@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>The unmentioned stars are Merope, Maria and Taygete.

There are seven Pleiades:

	Maia
	Taygete
	Electra
	Alcyone
	Celoeno
	Sterope
	Merope

They are the daughters of Atlas and Pleione, so that makes nine
stars.  Note, however, that the nine are not a single cluster -
they look close together in the sky, but they are at different
distances from us.
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From: phs@imag.fr (Philippe Schnoebelen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Living rocks
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:45:55 GMT
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France

In article <63758@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dr. /demonde, a biologist in Lyon, France
>left a rock on top of his electrocardiograph and when he came back after 
>being on vacation he saw that the rock had inpressed pulses on the machine.
>It was found that rocks breathe, but only one inhilation every three days
>to two weeks. 
[rest deleted]

I live not far from Lyon and never heard/read about this story. But I heard
it about a Chinese physician (with a different name :-)

What is your source for this ??

--Philippe
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:39:50 GMT
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs

In article <sbuckley.714429755@sfu.ca> sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
>bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>
>>I AM LYING AS I SPEAK.
>
>>Until you understand this koan, you will never understand the "new age."
>
>  and like the tao which unintelligible, this koan and "the new age"
>resist clearly delineated concepts.  but one can be delineated: that
>there are no clear delineable truths.
>
>  and this makes that koan, the tao and the new age unable to appeal
>to many people's search for truth or understanding in the world.  it's
>then irrelevant.

Actually koans are used in Zen, not Taoism.

And they are hardly _unintelligible_ unless you refuse to see the point.

  |   |    Is this glass of milk half-empty or half-full?
  |***|    Answer quickly, you soul depends on it!
  `---'


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: "mark woollard" <mark.woollard@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: stargates
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:09:37 EST
Reply-To: "mark woollard" <mark.woollard@canrem.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> There is an awful lot more to say but I can't spend all day on this.
-> Because you haven't experienced it I expect most of you are taking
-> this with a large grain of salt. I would, too, in your position. But
-> I would urge yo to experience a stargate if you hear of one anywhere
-> near you. Prageet is is in The Hague in the Netherlands now. He is
-> travelling around Europe with his stargate. He is getting them
-> manufactured slowly as he has been told to set up worldwide network
-> of them. There will be three in Europe.
-> There are already stargates in Hawaii and the U.S. For some reason,
-> Fairfield, Iowa, has three.
->
-> He will be coming back to London in October. If you are
-> interested in the London work contact Narina on 071-794-8689. Prageet
-> can also be contacted at
-> PO Box 1013
-> Kula
-> Maui
-> Hawaii 96790 USA

Thanks for the post.  Are you aware of any activity in Canada or the
North Eastern U.S.?

Also, your post ends with a Ken Carey quote.  You might be interested to
know he is working on a new book---working title, "Flat Rock Journal",
due out next summer ('93).  It focuses largely on his experience of his
connectedness with nature in his immediate surroundings--communication
with nature spirits etc and promises to be charming, and perhaps a
little humorous.  This is a change from his other channeled work
although Flat Rock Journal will include some channelled material.

Regards
Mark
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:58:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.201237.553@u.washington.edu> sipols@milton.u.washington.edu (Alfred Sipols) writes:
}I couldn't help but notice that all of your verses are from the Old Testament.
}The old law came to an end when Christ died on the cross.

That's nice.  So I may discard any and every thing from the OT as I wish?


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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:19:15 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug19.170256.11432@kbsw1> chris@kbsw3.UUCP (Chris Kostanick 806 1044) writes:
>Do the Men In Black bleed? What handgun load would you recommend to
stuff deleted

Some of the accounts I've read indicate they have the ability to paralyze
their victims with a rather strong emotional shock...  and it's apparent
from the same reports they can read the thoughts of the victims, too, since
many of the reports indicated they were contacted before they were able
to report their sighting...

The impression is that they could read the thoughts of the victims, rather
than probe the mind for memories...

So they would likely either (sure, entirely hypothetical) be able to
sense the .357 doorbell or prohibit your use of it.

Rick
-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:27:48 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
: Dear Rock Watchers: Dr. Demonde has found that rocks from around the globe
: breathe, but just one inhalation can take anywhere from three days to 
: two weeks. They have also found that rocks also show signs of brain 
: activity. Some scientist say they are impressed with the data.

Any scientists that say they are impressed with the data deserve to
have their heads impressed with rocks.  Sheesh.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I'm in direct contact
Rosemount Inc.                                |with many advanced fun
                                              |CONCEPTS.
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:45:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64210@cup.portal.com> <64246@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug19.170256.11432@kbsw1> <64310@cup.portal.com>

Sorry about that I got the wrong one on.
John Winston
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:04:29 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
> (please don't ask me to explain! J.W)

I guess that just about wraps it up for John_-_Winston.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:43:05 GMT
  <63714@cup.portal.com> <63758@cup.portal.com> <80001@bcsaic.boeing.com> <63887@cup.portal.com>
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com's message of 12 Aug 92 13:13:53 GMT

In article <63887@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

   Dear Astral Folk and Rock Watchers: Remember today is the fourth weekly
   Astral OOBE Party. Pack your astral bags and don't be late. It seems the
   space people are now furnishing us with a space craft

What does that mean?  If you're Out of Body, what do you need a
spacecraft for?

							 and for that I 
   am thankful. Oh yes while we've been talking about rockss before I reminded
   me that in the past I communicated with Richard Shaver of the The Shaver
   Mystery. He sent me one of his rock. You talk about rocks that was a 
   rock.

What role did rocks play in the Shaver Mystery?  I thought that was
all about the D(r)eros (exact spelling forgotten).

-30-
Bob
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 07:03:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug15.052543.1812@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <64058@cup.portal.com>

Dear Rock Hounds: The answer is 1. Daytime 2. I don't want any perminently
invisible fish. 3. My E-mail is not getting through to J. and Kumar.
Now to a new subject; Sealing Aura. Are your friends bugging you? Would
like to cut them off. With a few aplications of Sealing the Aura you can
eliminate that problem. Now the first things you have to do is get youself
a candle or any other object that you can consentrate your physical eyes
and mind on. Get in a room with subdued light (not much light) and con-
sentrate on the lighted candle for a while until your physical vision starts
to get tired. Next think about our Aura (the magnetic field around your
body) and project a vivisible shield around your body (sort of a bubble).
Make this shield so that only good vibrations and thoughts---
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:19:50 GMT

Doug Thompson writes:

>The most famous jew of all, Jesus of Nazereth, is reported to have
>been in substantial agreement with the poster's observation. 

It might interest you to know that many non-Christians (including most
Orthodox Jews) don't hear of Jesus until a rather late age.
Personally, I never heard the name or understood its connotation until
late into high school.  Obviously to us Jews he isn't "the most famous
jew of all."

>I really *don't* think you *need* to remind us every time a statement
>of Christian doctrine is posted that "jews disagree".

I think that it would be nice if our more extreme Christian posters
here on t.r.na allowed that their way is not the only way.  It would
also be nice if they respected others.  I won't hold my breath waiting
for that to happen.

>Just a friendly flame :-).

Doesn't feel too friendly to me.


-- 
---

Len Moskowitz
moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (preferred address)
moskowit@panix.com (alternate address)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: doug@testsys.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: five years
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 16:35:58 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: SKAN Communications Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.211512.3817@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> 
(Paul Liebert) writes: 

> The 7-day week was instituted
> by the Catholic church circa 1583 and is as arbitrary a device as any
> other, so why not try 13.

The Gregorian calendar originated about then all right, but the seven
day week has origins in remote pre-history. It is a neat one fourth of
the 28 day lunar cycle.

=Doug

---

uuisis!skanadm!doug
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Back
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:05:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <63465@cup.portal.com> <ztxm9yh@lynx.unm.edu>

     SUBJECT : THE OSTERICH PEOPLE
      
          In an isolated village of the jungle reigion of Zimbabwie, Africa 
     there is a group of about 100 people who are called the Osterich 
     people.  They are called this because of their unusual feet. Their 
     feet are shaped like the feet f an Osterich, having only two large 
     toes on each foot , but these are pretty bigso they can get good 
     traction when it comes to trudging though the jungle mud. These toes 
     are also very nimble, and can be used to pick things up. They are a 
     dark skinned race of people and other than their feet, they look like 
     anyone else.
          A French team  headed by famed anthropologist Dr. Etienne 
     Charbonal were investigating tthis group of people and eventually got 
     there confidence. A group of the Osterich people (if not all of them) 
     showed up one night, minus their clothes, having silver paint all over 
     their bodies and invited the good doctor for a midnight hike. After 
     going into the jungle for hours, the doctor  and team were shown a 
     large silver dome. Most of the space craft was covered with 
     vegitation. The native people then began to dance wildly around the 
     craft singing a song to their ancestors  of the sky.
          The dome was like nothing on earth. On the way back, from the 
     craft, one of the elders of the group told Dr. Charbonal that  200 
     years ago, the large "spinning sun" had fallen from the sky, bringing 
     the tribal ancestors to this remote part of the jungle  area.  That 
     was all anyone rembered.
          More will be known when the French team returns to the jungle  to 
     study the UFO.
     Information source: Sept. 26,1989 Sun pg. 7.
      
        I'll leave you with this saying; if it wasn't for the optimist, the 
     pessimist would never know how happy he isnt.
        This is being posted for Don Showen  for  John Winston.  I am not 
     Don. Don is not me.