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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream Factory
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:14:54 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <2kRDwB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> jasonk@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kraushar) writes:
>  In alot of the dreams I've had, I've often woke up afterwards with the 
>feeling that the dream just HAD to have been prearranged before I went to 
>sleep, or that things in it had been set up DELIBERATELY to trick me/tell 
>me something about something I did, etc. What I mean is that, there seems 
>to be somewhere in the mind that these dreams get cooked up when not in 
>the dream state. I suppose I'm not describing it very well, but like I 
>said I have had several dreams that seemed 'fixed' or 'rigged' 
>beforehand. Perhaps there is a Dream Factory of sorts that ticks away 
>while you're awake making plans for the evenings dreams "Heh. we're gonna 
>fool him GOOD tonight <evil grin>"..

This dream factory is surely there, but it is important to notice that
this is just another department of your own mind. Dreams come out of
your whole set of experiences, memories etc., only arranged in a
perhaps surprising way. To explore the corners of your mind where this
gets cooked up is very interesting research...

Seriously, it is yourself who's fooling you, and it's probably likely
that dreams are indeed prearranged, but as is always discussed here,
you are able to fool yourself not to let yourself fool yourself (got
it? :-)

Happy New Year,
Olaf
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From: EZ-as-pi@cup.portal.com (Bruce Robert Gilson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: DreamLight Users
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:17:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Want to know more about exactly what this
Dream light is.  I have the book 
Lucid Dreaming and want to know 
more about people's experience with
this and with the Dream Light.  
Thanks, Deb Gilson (Bruce's wife)
Note: E-mail responses to this should
indicate that they are for Deb so she
can be told about them!
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Dreams and amount of rest one needs.
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:38:09 GMT

A new dream experience for me here.  

I had been studying for finals about 5 hours last night.  Studying on only
about 1.5 hours of sleep from the night before, I was nearly comatose by 
11pm (an early night for me).  After stretching out on my couch, I felt
myself almost immediately fall asleep, and begin an in-depth dream:
I was at an on-campus party.  I apparently had a few beers in me, and I began
mouthing off at a rather large "dream extra".  Several of his friends 
surround me and proceed to pound me until I am badly hurt and lying on the 
ground.  I suddenly awake and happen to look at the clock.  Amazingly, only
8 minutes have passed since I last remeber looking at the clock, yet, I 
feel totally rested, after feeling totally exhausted just 8 minutes before.
I proceeded to stay up another 4 hours or so before forcing myself to sleep.

My question is this:  After only 8 minutes of sleep, and a physically
intense dream of short duration, could I feel so mentally and physically
rested, after feeling so tired and run down just before ?

Any ideas or similar experiences (probably not likely!) are welcome.

Pete 
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University of Massachusetts - Lowell      "I lost a buttonhole..." S. Wright
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From: jgilchri@mtu.edu (Jason Gilchrist)
Subject: Dreaming Topics
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:02:27 GMT
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I've heard that it's possible to make yourself dream about certain topics
or situations of interest by repeating a phrase or something along
those lines.  For example, I want to dream about driving a fast sports car.
Are there some procedures that I could repeat before going to bed that
would increase the likelyhood that I would have such a dream?  Anyone?

---Jason


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Michigan Tech University				  jmgilchr@mtus5.BITNET
Houghton, MI.

There are some really funky looking people up here...
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Houghton, MI.

There are some really funky looking people up here...
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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Don't interrupt me you dream character!
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:06:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec28.201143.548@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:

> I've heard that many people who are bilingual also feel that they
> have a kind of personality split -- i.e., they feel like a slightly
> different person when they are speaking their second language.
> This might make them ideal subjects for dream-personality
> personality research.  
> 

I wouldn't quite call it a personality split. This is related to the
fact that one typically adopts different personae in different
situations. I expect you exhibit a different personality at a bar than
you do visiting with family, at least a little different. 

It just happens that it is typically a different set of people that
one would interact with depending on the language one uses. 

In my own case, I find that if I speak my other language with an
American who speaks it, or with a scientific colleague from that
country, I exhibit the same persona as I would if I were speaking in
English. 

If you want to do dream personality research, you could find a great
variety of behavioural cues besides language to work with. So there is
hope for you monolinguals.
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From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Some Comments/Questions
Date: 26 Dec 92 07:11:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


Hello. I just started reading this group and thought I'd make a few
comments/questions.

(1) Sometimes I will wake from a dream and be paralysed. I had
assumed this was due to whatever it is that makes me not actually
act out stuff while having REM sleep, just hasn't worn off yet. I
recall being quite frightened by this as a kid though... often it
would happen when I woke up from already terrifying dreams.

(2) Sometimes I have dreams where for some reason in the dream I
cannot keep my eyes open. I will need them open, and can open them
with effort, but in the dream it is more comfortable for them to be
closed and then I can't see anything. Does anyone know what causes
this? I wonder if it is me noticing that my eyes are closed in 'real
life'?

(3) Languages in dreams.... I am bilingual (Japanese and English)
and I dream in both languages, often mixed together. In my dreams,
there will be people who I know in real life only speak English,
speaking Japanese (or the other way round). If there are other
bilingual dreamers out there... does this happen with your dreams
too, or do you tend to stick to one language for one dream? Do people
speak the 'correct' language in your dreams?

(4) Reading in dreams.... I have found that often I will be reading
signs, etc. in my dreams. I have noticed that I see mostly signs
written in Chinese characters in my dreams as opposed to things
written in English. I had seen somewhere that people who can read
Chinese characters often will dream of reading more than those who
don't simply because characters are a 'sight reading' sort of
pattern recognition as opposed to phonics. Anyone else heard of
this? Unfortunately I never seem to remember to look at the signs
twice to see if they change. ^_^

(5) About the 'tetris dreams'.... I think that if you are doing
something for long periods of time it will just carry over into your
dreams. I often will spend all day studying for some test and then
end up studying even in my DREAMS the night before. This is a peeve.

(6) The lucid dreaming threads are quite fascinating. I have only
had a few lucid dreams which seemed to occur spontaneously (I can't
think "I want to have a lucid dream" and then have one). I do recall
several dreams per night, and like to write them down in a notebook.
I find them to be a good source of plots and characters for writing.

	Maiko Covington            mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu



Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Organization: Yale University GFD Computing
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:05:57 EDT

In article <melissa.3.726095029@radio.wkar.msu.edu>, melissa@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Melissa Ingells) writes:
> In article <1993Jan3.032012.1@climat.geology.yale.edu> zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu writes:
>>From: zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu
>>Subject: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
>>Date: 3 Jan 93 03:20:12 EDT
>>
>>	With only one exception, there is never sunshine in my dreams, and 
>>the milieu is always very dark, as if it were perpetual dusk, or the sky were
>>permanently overcast, regardless of the nature (happy or sad or whatever) 
>>of the dreams. 
>>
>>	Does this imply anything? Is this the usual case in a dream?
>>
>>
>>							Taiping Zhang
> 
>	This is a VERY outside guess...but i seem to 
> remember many of my dreams as a child being like that, an almost sooty 
> darknes that you seem to always be reaching through...i'm going to hazard 
> that maybe you aren't very comfortable with your dreams yet, since i don't 
> seem to remember sunshine in mine either until i got older and dreams in 
> general seemed less threatening, less the realm of monsters and more the 
        ............deleted.............

	Thank you very much for your reply. Although there is no sunshine
in my dreams, they are not threatening to me, and I don't feel uncomfortable
with my dreams. On the contrary, I am often with my good old friends in my
dreams and, therefore, I am very happy. 

	You also mentioned that as you get older, you get more sunshine in
your dreams. That doesn't seem to happen to me. 
	
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: BODY POSITION and SLEEP PARALYSIS
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:42:46 GMT

In <BzunCu.2o1@newsserver.technet.sg> dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg
	(Teo Pit Koon) writes:

> ...
> 	For the sake of discussion/arguments, let us consider that there
> are two types of "paralysis" condition (goodness knows how many more types
> there may be :-)).

> 	The first type, known as type A paralysis, is a condition encountered
> when approaching a deeper layer of consciousness from a light trance state,
> in the performance of magick, OOBE, LD etc.

> 	The second, type B paralysis, is the reverse of type A, in that it
> happens during the return home to physical reality, assuming, of course,
> the experient has a physical body to return to in the first place :-)...

Just a note to suggest that discussion of OBE experiences be at least cross-
posted to the "alt.out-of-body" newsgroup.

Thanks.

Gary
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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Music and time (was Re: Inclusions)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:30:46 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau30.ira.uka.de

In article <katherim.725574413@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>
>Personally, I have included things like the pump on my fish tank, cats
>fighting outside, and I even remember fencing to "in the air tonight" 
>which happened to be playing on the radio.

This happens to me frequently. It is a bit strange to realize that
some particular piece of music, or a radio show, runs in the
background maybe for several (dream-) hours and you know that it's
only five minutes. This sometimes shows the difference between dreamed
and real time (and, in my experience, disproves the theory that these
are identical). It is annoying when you can't switch the radio off in
your dreams ('cause it's the real radio). It is annoying listening to
the news broadcast in your dreams and, on waking up, forgetting it.
And so on. 

Happy New Year,
Olaf

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: You're just a dream character.
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:19:53 GMT

gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:

>Chuckbill et al,
> 
>I think approaching a dream character, telling them that they're
>"just" dream, isn't really a valid way of doing things.  Recognizing
>dream characters as a chunk of yourself, like a multiple personality
>of yourself, makes dealing with them more interesting.  Give em
>respect and they'll give ya info. 
> 
>Recently, I summoned a fictional character that I made up, into a
>dream.  I went lucid, yelled "MOE!" (his name) and he flew down and
>appeared.  Unfortunately, I got distracted and lost lucidity.  (I have
>a feeling there's only a certain amount of consciousness to distribute
>among the personalities in  a dream and if it's spread too thin,
>lucidity gets lost...  Any ideas on the matter?)
> 
>By the way, just to tantalize you all with high weirdness, Moe is a
>quadrapalegic angel I'm trying to work a novel around.
> 
>                                        Nik


I just had to comment on your choice of the name "Moe."  For me,
Moe is certainly within the angelic animal community now...  You see,
Moe is the name of my now translated (deceased) ferret of which my
wife and I loved very dearly.  We lost him just this past year in
physical terms anyway - he often appears to me in dreams.  We have
been thinking/talking alot about Moe lately because he loved 
Christmas so much.  Actually he loved opening/re-opening presents
and lounging in the paper while we tried to wrap them back up!  I
had a very 'real' false awakening just last week with Moe.  I was
having trouble sleeping with my wife, so I got up and then went to
sleep on the couch.  In my 'dream' I awoke from the couch to see
Moe standing by me on the floor in his usual "pick me up" pose.  I
held him close remembering how warm and soft he is/was.  I held him
upside-down like I used to and played with him for awhile before I
woke up "for real..."

Thanks for the post.  Moe is a great name for an angel!

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: "ian donen" <ian.donen@canrem.com>
Subject: inclusions
Reply-To: "ian donen" <ian.donen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:18:24 EST


Hi Katherine,

KM>I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I imagi
KM>that these would all have to be audio, or perhaps olfactory.

I was dreaming once that I was walking along the street, beside some
building (perhaps following someone...cant really remember that well)

The phone in my room started ringing, and in my dream, a payphone
suddenly appeared on the wall of a building and started ringing, then
I woke up.

It was a strange experience.

Take care,
-Ian-



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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu
Subject: Flying in Dream...
Organization: Yale University GFD Computing
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:22:18 EDT


	Not long ago I dreamt flying for the first time in my life: It was in
the mountainous village my family used to live. I took off in a neighbor's 
courtyard, not like a bird; instead, I felt like a swimmer rising in deep
water, and I was literally swimming in the air. I reached an altitude 
just good for a bird's-eye view of the village and went around effortlessly, 
watching the familiar houses and courtyards and streets. My feeling in the 
dream was pleasantly sensational.

	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
will be appreciated.

					Taiping Zhang
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Inclusions
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 19:06:05 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:

> I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I imagine
I think the weirdest inclusion-type dream I can remember involved a 
wart or some disease on my toe, that had to be treated with this green 
goo which itched and itched and itched like crazy and wouldn't ever come 
off again...
   When I woke up, I realized I'd been aware of this /huge/ mosquito bite 
on that toe, and its itching had waked me up. That was one heck of a 
restless night! Yuck!

                                     --The Vortex
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Travelling in LD's
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:26:21 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau31.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Dec23.164538@cs.bham.ac.uk> pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando) writes:
>Sorry this is a bit late/out of date ?!

Never :-)

>But I also would'nt mind any comments of how to 'break out' of the scenario you
>start with.

An example from recent experience: I'm in a building where I'm every
day (the university), and since that's boring, I want to get to
another place, so I think of it, take the next elevator, press "3 up"
and hope that I'll come out right... this is by far not that easy as
it sounds, and works not everytime to my satisfaction, but I'm
trying...

Basically, I try to transform the scenario into the desired one by
're-defining' - I think, without explicitly stating, "this has to be
that-and-that". E.g. I'm on a train, not knowing where, and if I want
to visity Munich I think "the next station is Munich", and when I get
out, it *is* Munich. This is far from reliable, however. Depends on
the level of control.

Sometimes I try this even with persons. I.e. I want to meet A [insert
desired name], and the next person I meet, regardless of who (s)he
really is, *is* A. (I'm not sure if this is understandable, but try it.)

>
>Also, when I worry that I will be 'booted out' as I usually am (Wake up because
>I think It's too good to last !), I loose it .

This is perhaps the biggest problem with LD... a motivational thing
(Mike has explained this more beautiful). If you worry that you could
get booted, you WILL get booted - the inevitable looping interaction.
It requires a bit of training to overcome, maybe the 'spinning'
technique (cf FAQ) could help.

>Then again I've never really tried very hard (even a few days in a row!).
>
>Whenever it's happened it was tottaly by accident !

Then try it again, and try hard!

Happy New Year,
Olaf

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Dreaming of having a nightmare
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:28:43 GMT

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I hardly ever have nightmares.  Twice 
in the last month however, I have dreamed that I had a nightmare.  I
wake up in the dream, and everything seems normal, only I wake up again
or something happens and I become lucid.  

What is this all about?  

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: cliff falling/hit bottom
Date: 2 Jan 1993 03:19:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

The only time I remember hitting the ground in a dream wasn't
even near a cliff, but anyways, I distinctly remember thinking
I was going to die unless I woke up, but when I actually landed,
I just bounced a little bit, surprised as hell, so I woke up.

'Strue.

-Jon Kung
From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: BODY POSITION
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:12:59 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Sat 26 Dec 92  3:09, Dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (teo Pi
wrote:

 DP> onwards, many things can happen, OOBE, LD, etc. The 'paralysis' is a
 DP> temporary
 DP> condition. It is induced by a very deep relaxation of all the muscles
 DP> of the
 DP> body, and sometimes, instead of paralysis, the body may jerk a

I read somewhere a while back (specific type of person aren't I) that the
paralysis experienced is actually a type of severing of of the spinal cord
at the brain stem.  Like a message blocker.  Studies had shown that people
who have had trauma to this area (not an actual severing of the spinal cord
as in paraplegia etc) have experienced physical movement when dreaming. 
One man actually punched his wife while dreaming that he was in a
fight...at least that was his story.

Comments?

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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: More subtle reality checking...
Date: 31 Dec 1992 10:36:50 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau30.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Dec30.225624.6599@tcsi.com> miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
>
>his Japanese counterpart, Nanao Sasaki.  While the Beat/Hippie scene was
>coalescing over here, there was another, smaller formation going on in
>Tokyo.  These people adopted a collective slogan: "There is a dream
>dreaming us."

Oh, and just yesterday I looked for some record to listen to and found
that old Alan Parsons piece which I had not played for at least half a
year (surely not since I got involved in this newsgroup, as the record
had been at my parents' home which I just recently visited and brought
it back), and just before I started the player, I suddenly realized
that it starts with that wonderful Edgar Allan Poe quote which could
serve as a motto for this whole group: 

"...and all that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Happy New Year,
Olaf
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