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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Collectables and Info (was: Stuff)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:05:34 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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There were some good points in that article about values.
If I may add a few more:

1) if you can settle for lesser condition, you can get stuff cheaper.
   I paid a premium for a loose power droid that was in mint condition
   (but didn't mind because it was trade in dollars) but have gotten
   the price lowered by a bit on figures due to paint, chrome
   rubbing off... 

   And I got a Falcon for ~$15 because some parts were missing. A complete
   one peaks out at $50 with this dealer. Mine looks nice now that I 
   took it apart and hand cleaned every piece.
 
2) Location plays a *BIG* part. Someone in CA with cons can get figures
   loose for $3-$5, but here in the dead end Asheville, NC (which 
   makes Tatooine look lively) they're very hard to come by. If you're
   in an area like me, it's cheaper for someone to get figures at a 
   con and mail them to me! Without the net, unless you just knew
   someone going to a big city with cons, or had lots of money for
   trips, you'd be stuck. I can get figures here from our only
   dealer for a fraction of the carded/mint value in the guide books.
   I think it's a rip off, esp. after hearing other place's prices
   from the net. :(

3) Some people use guide books like preaches use bibles. This guy locally
   does. He looks everything up. I have, however, gotten him to come down
   from his fraction of guide price (I think a loose figure is 1/10 of
   the mint price or something) by pointing out obvious flaws. 

4) The *BEST* way to get used toys, comics, antiques, collectibles, etc
   is from someone who *does not know their worth* -- I got 2 luke
   sky figures from someone for a steal, they were just old toys.
   People without price guides and clues are your friends in this market.
   If they don't follow the market, you win.

Scott
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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: Empire - cut scenes?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:51:57 GMT


Does anyone know of any scenes for Empire Strikes Back that were filmed
but not used?
From SW we have a scene of Biggs near the end that was cut, and for
ROTJ, a sandstorm. But I've never heard of any cut scenes to ESB.
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:55:34 GMT

In article <mjenkins.715216499@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>And...I'm not putting out a lot of hope that the new movies will be
>huge blockbusters like the first three. I rented the original series
>the other night, and was amazed: low body counts, little blood, no
>sex, virtually non-existant gratuitous violence. By today's standards
>these make Disney flicks look XXX! Sad to say, I tend to think the
>only way the new Star Wars films could be "successful" in today's
>market would be for more violence, more sex, less plot, more
>destruction, etc.. or, in other worlds, be everthing Star Wars was
>not.

Well, I don't know about this.  Let's take some examples, shall we?
Since you mentioned Disney, how about _Beauty and the Beast_?
Violence:  okay, a little.  Sex:  NO WAY!  Plot:  Yep, it was there.
Destruction:  not extensively.

Okay, want to stay away from cartoons?  Then lets try _Star Trek IV:
The Voyage Home_.  No violence, sex, or destruction (except for a few
windows broken by the probe).  And if that didn't have a plot, I don't
know what does.

Now, I'm not an avid movie person, but I think you're short changing
the American public a bit here.  Quality films are quality films, with
or without sex and gore.  If Lucas does a good job with these films,
there should be no problems whatsoever.

(Oh, and if you still aren't convinced, check out ST:TNG.  Highest
rated syndicated drama, and it does everything you say it shouldn't.
I wouldn't be too worried just yet :-)

Joe
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From: mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Melissa Mcguire)
Subject: TESB -- My personal favorite
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Date: 31 Aug 1992 15:24 EST  


I am new to this net, and already in way over my head with respect to the 
opinions expressed herin.  I have not analyzed the three films to the 
extent that posts I have been reading do.  But, I will contribute me $0.02 
worth of opinion.  The Empire Strikes Back has been and will always be my 
favorite of the three films.  I once taped it off the radio at a drive in 
so that I could listen to it every night.  I saw it in the theaters 14 
times (thanks Mom and Dad -- I was 11 at the time) and who knows hpw many 
times I've watched it now that I OWN it!!!

I guess the reason I like it so much is all because of the characters.  Han 
is never better than when flying by the seat of his pants in the Falcon.  
Lando just didn't do it justice in RotJ.  Luke is still learning, but 
getting there in the Jedi training.  I liked the parts with Yoda and Ben on 
Dagobah.  And then there's the stubborn princess suddenly falling victom to 
that one fatal flaw in life -- love.  I think the scenes in which she and 
Han fight are fantastic ( this from a soap opera addict).  Chewbacca has 
some great *lines*.  Laughing at Han at Luke's bedside is classic.  I like 
the dark feeling to the movie.  I'll still never forget the first time I 
saw it.  They'd been advertizing it on the radio, and the kids I babysat at 
the time already had some of the figures.

What a great time to be alive.

Melissa McGuire
mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:05:33 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Dark Empire: NOT CANON!!??

YIKES. This kinda bothers me.... I know the Zahn and Dark Empire storylines
are different enough in plot emphasis and overall tone to seem unrelated and
occurring in different "realities", but I had hopes that both were official....
I guess it was just wishful thinking. So if Dark Empire isn't canon, then what
about the other stuff coming out from Dark Horse Comics later on.....the next
series, as well as the "Tales of the Jedi"?
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:05:47 GMT

In <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:

>I don't know if anyone else has ever thought about this (you probably have,
>but what the hell it bugs me... :)), but I keep wondering about the bit in
>Star Wars where the death star is approaching the moon with the rebel base
>on it.

> 1. The death star can blow planets away
> 2. There is a planet between the death star and the moon

> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...

>The only thing I can think of that would stop the death star blowing the
>planet away and then the moon is if the weapon needs to be recharged, and
>even then, how long would this recharging take?

>If anyone has some information from books or whatever that clarifies this
>I would really appreciate it if you would let me know. 

>Thanks,
>Sven Venema
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I would assume that if you blew away the planet, you'd screw up the
gravitational fields that keep the moon in place. Any physicists out there?
From: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:25:29 GMT
Reply-To: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug26.172128.22260@news.media.mit.edu>, tsmaster@media.mit.edu
 (David LeCompte) writes:

>In article <mjenkins.714762347@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>In <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...

I've wondered about this, too, but only after I'd had sufficient years to nit
pick Star Wars apart (aka, after the glow wore off :)
From: hugh@pyra.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Darth Vader's breathing
Summary: Why does DV need a respirator ?
Keywords: Volcano
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:17:52 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.

Folks,

Like  Gretchen,  I  would  like to know the  official  reason  for  Vader's
breathing  difficulties.   I  have heard conflicting reports  from  various
people  that  a)  he  fell into a volcano, and b) he flew too  close  to  a
supernova.

Can anyone please shed some light on this ?

I am assuming here that he isn't just plain asthmatic !

All the best everyone,

Hugh.
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From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Empire reprints are here
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:01:54 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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 Hi all,

  Just a note here that the reprints of _Dark Empire_ #1-3 are out. To
see if a particular copy is a reprint, read the indicia. Right after
stating what issue it is, it states it is also a 2nd print.
 ie: 2 (of 6), second printing

Marshall
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Art of Books (was Re: Star Wars script distribution: new info)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 19:22:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <SS.92Sep2195929@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On 2 Sep 92 18:12:22 GMT, g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) said:
>
>g-martin1> Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
>g-martin1> I checked into purchasing _The Art of XXXXX_ books since
>g-martin1> they contain the scripts for each movie, but these books
>g-martin1> are out of print. There are smaller book versions of the
>g-martin1> movie scripts but they are also out of print.
>
>Just a note, that The Art of The Empire Strikes Back does NOT have the
>movie script in it. The Empire Strikes Back Sketchbook does.

Another note. The Empire Strikes Back Sketchbook does NOT have the script
in it. The Empire Strikes Back *NOTEBOOK* does.

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From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:37:23 GMT

but then again, the way I always followed it from the book, the alliance rank
structure placed captains below commanders. I always thought it went, Lieutenant,
captain, lieutenant commander then commander. but then again, I could be wrong.
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From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: My Two Cents: Jedi Storm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Alacron???
The Centuri moon????
What have you been smoking?
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: C3PO card (BONE-a-fied answer)
Originator: cmgeorg@c00067-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:58:38 GMT


>Penis card?  I probably shouldn't ask, but how did this card get its name?
>As if I couldn't guess, but I just want to see a post about it to get it
>straight.

Since it seems he read my other post I'll take the liberty of elaborating.

The "penis card"  (207 -SW Green series)  seems to have been the brainchild
of a quite mischievious (sp?) artist at the card place, Topps, I believe.

Rumor has it he was fired immediately after it was brought to the attention of
the company and the problem was corrected. I don't know how many were actually
distributed, but I do know that one price guide (can't remember which one)
valued it at $15.  As opposed to about $.15 for most of the other cards (I told
you they weren't worth much remember?).  Doesn't make it a real rarity, but it
is a laugh to see. 

Anyway, this card is a pic of C-3PO sort of bending over somewhat.  Going 
through a doorway I think.  Because of the way the costume was reflecting the 
light in the pelvis area it sort of gave the illusion of a "member" protruding.

The artist merely extended this reflection so it looks like a penis.  Actually
more like your standard vibrator, but I guess protocol droids don't need a
head anyway ;-).

Many people never even notice it, so you may have it, so when/if you do see it 
you won't believe you ever missed it.

Seeing where he got the idea from the reflection is easier AFTER you have seen
the card. You can tell where they cut away the "offending extension" on the
fixed version.  It was on his left side.



So if you haven't dug through that shoe box already, what are you waiting for?


Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer model help
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:33:02 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu


I would be careful which paints you use if you decide to spray paint the model
because most paints won't stick to most spray paints and will end up peeling
off. Depending on how large it is it might be better to prime the sucker and
paint it by hand.

Jeff Kabbe
yyrkoon@caen.engin.umich.edu
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:56:35 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug30.211810.29350@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>I DON'T THINK SO!!!  If this happens (all three movies coming out
>within 6 months of each other) I will ... I will ... I don't know,
>I'll so something extremely embarrassing and/or painful in public

	Better do it quick.  Lucas plans on filming the movies at the same,
ala Back to the Future II and III, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were
all released very closely together...I'd have guessed a year, but 6 months
is 'do-able'
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Random Ramblings (The Sith, cut scenes from ESB, etc.)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:40:26 GMT


In a previous article, umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe) says:

>There is (was) a scene where a Rebel Snowspeeder was shot, but did not im-
>mediately detonate, instead, he careened, flaming into an imperial walker
>(kamikaze style), and thus taking it down.  Anyone else remember this
>scene?
>

I do.

>Oh well, so much for the ramblings, and let me know if anyone wants me 
>to post 'The Star Wars That Might Have Been.'
>

I'm interested.

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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:21:28 GMT

In article <mjenkins.714762347@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>In <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...

>>even then, how long would this recharging take?

I would expect quite a while. IMHO, of course.

>
>I would assume that if you blew away the planet, you'd screw up the
>gravitational fields that keep the moon in place. Any physicists out there?

I'm not a physicist, but I play one on USENET. If you blow up the
planet, the asteroid field, if it is sufficiently localized, will keep
the moon in orbit.

I don't believe that this new asteroid field would be THAT localized.

So, we've got this large quantity of planet bits hitting things (would
the DS be in the blast radius? I'd think that an exploding planet would
make life unpleasant in a large way for starfighters in the area. But
this is an aside...) and a vagrant moon, now. What's the moon going to
do? The lack of planetary gravity isn't going to cause it to go skitting
off at any high speed.

Someone also commented that blowing up Jupiter would take much more
power than the DS had. IMHO, you're wrong. All discussion of the battle
station talked about the power to destroy a planet. I guess that it
would be splitting hairs to ask them to specify an M-class planet in
these discussions. (M-class? whatever the class is for earth-y planets)

So, two theories that *I* like:

1) Recharging would take too long. (Did they have a time constraint?
	What were they worried about?)

2) Firing the Acme (c) Big-ole-laser through an asteroid field would
	result in scattering effects, and at the very least, soft cover
	that "dillutes" the effect of the beam.

				-Dave LeCompte


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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:27:54 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug27.044532.4716@udel.edu> lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>
>	Yeah yeah, I know how "Darth Vader" is supposed to suggest "Dark
>Father," but does anyone have a good explanation why the rebuilt Anakin
>Skywalker got this name? 
.....

Also, what exactly is the Sith, as in "Dark Lord of the..." ?

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:25:48 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1SEP92183145@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>In _Skywalking_ it is stated that Lucas invented this name to sound like 
>the phrase "Dark Father."  To me this implies that it didn't come from any 
>language.  I can post the exact quote if there's interest (and if I can 
>find it...)

	[I did not post the original, but posted about this subject before]

	In a way you are both right.  I doubt that "Darth Vader" could be 
literally translated from one or two languages.  Looking at words in some
other languages, though, shows the link more clearly, without need for
pronunciation..For example German "father" is "vater"

Dark  Vater
Darth Vader
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars Rolling Stone (was More on Star Wars that never was...)
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:32:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Ciao,

There has been mention of a 1977 Rolling Stone mag dedicated to Star
Wars. Well, I have the mag, and is it worth anything other than the
initial price? And does anyone want me to type up the article(s)...


Sally--3 days until the premiere of TP:FWWM--A. Wilson


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From: tm@jyu.fi (Timo Mannikko)
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:14:04 GMT

>Well, as I have said before, "Vader" is the word for Father in either Dutch or
>Finnish, I forget which.  The word "Darth", I don't know.  But Vader is
 ^^^^^^^
Definitely *not* in Finnish!

- Timo