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From: pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt)
Subject:  X terms as Next terms (was Re: Adobe/Sun Announce)
Keywords: Adobe Sun Solaris Postscript X NeXT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.163058.6642@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM () writes:
>In article <2097@ltb.ltb.bso.nl> wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes:
>>
>>Ha, Ha Ha Haaaaaa, Ha HA HA, Haaaaaaa!
>>
>>Oh, btw, how is Sun making DisplayPostScript run on those X terminals?
>
>  This is not a very difficult thing to do.  X11R5 has the ability to
>  support extensions to X, including such things as Font Servers and
>  Display Postscript managers.  The actual extension will run on an
>  X-client machine since most X-servers will not have the extension
>  directly available (although it is possible that X terminals will
>  start to support some of these extensions directly).  
>  
>  There is a potential impact on performance although I am not sure
>  pushing X primitives out to an X-server to support Postscript is that
>  much different from what a client application has to do now to get
>  complex graphics on an X-terminal and that sort of thing is done
>  all the time.
...(Stuff about Sun making it sell nixed)....
>
>Jon Rosen
>jfr@redbrick.com

So, does this mean that NeXTstep could eventually run on X stations?
That is, couldn't the display postscript just be piped through one of these
Display Postscript managers and sent to an X terminal?

It wouldn't be very efficient.  But it sure would make for a lot of 
available Next terminals.  What about running co-Xist through DPS 
back through X?  Maybe not...
-- 
  Craig Pratt                                          pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu
  Montana State University, Bozeman MT            gcp1070@msu.oscs.montana.edu
    Yes, you too can now test and debug Microsoft Windows NT for the special
         introductory price of $69!!  That's right, *you* pay *them*!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXt: fire your head of product distribution
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:53:35 GMT

In article <Bvo482.JvE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.163926.2680@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>  
>haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes:
>> NeXt: If you don't have something in stock, let your customers know,  
>otherwise
>> get the orders right!!!!!!
>
>NeXT still doesn't keep a stock, do they?  That was one of
>the things they impressed me with when I was out there
>years ago.  Machines were built basically on demand.  Is
>that still the case?  Are they having trouble keeping up? 
>Is there a shortage of some of the components?

I think they still sort of make them on demand, but they queue up the
orders and say "O.K. let's make NeXTstation Turbo Colors today..." and
do it that way.  Apparently it doesn't take long to switch over the
line, but it's more efficient to do the machines in runs...


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:37:30 GMT
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago

royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) writes:

 > Troff is problematic, because you can't do a program's inline docs using
 > it.  One of the points of all this seamless integration stuff is to
 > reduce the amount of work you have to do.  Who wants to write documentation
 > twice, once for inline and once for external, when the same documentation
 > can suffice for both?...

If you are considering such formatters as troff, why not consider TeX?
I am not sure what it is exactly that you want to do, but it *is* possible
to write TeX macros which will process/ignore different portions of your
file, depending on style declarations, say \internal and \external :-)

----
From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest)
Subject: Re: SPARC (NeXT : -) 10
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174314.21388@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes:
>I just had a peek at a SPARC 10 machine.
>You should see some of the cool features it has:

My office mate just got one (so why is the machine by my NeXT an IPX?)
and you forgot the coolest feature:  $18,000.  Don't think you'll be
seeing one by my NeXT at home (winning lottery tickets can change
this opinion).

Mark
-- 
Mark Wuest                            *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!!
mark.wuest@att.com
mdw@cheshire.att.com (NeXT Mail)
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow)
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:53:17 GMT
	<60854@mimsy.umd.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University
In-reply-to: alex@cs.umd.edu's message of 2 Oct 92 18:10:14 GMT

>>>>> On 2 Oct 92 18:10:14 GMT, alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) said:

	alex> come on, the software that came with your original cube
	alex> still works.  they just dont give it to new customers.
	alex> Actually, this gradual unbundling is a good sign.

Sorry Alex, but at least one thing that was unbundled doesn't still
work: lisp. It was broken as of 2.0; Franz came up with a fix (which
NeXT didn't ship to upgrade customers for a LoNG time after Franz had
provided it. Now the upgraded version is broken in 3.0, with no
indication of any solution in sight. Franz doesn't see enough $ in the
NeXT market to have pursued the NeXT version of ACL (though from time
to time they seem to revive it) and certainly aren't going to provide
another version for free. And even those of us who paid for
"maintenance" don't have a working ACL any more, or any real promise
of one to come. If NeXT still considered lisp programming a part of
what one did with their machines, I doubt this situation would be as
it is. And that's one consequence (correlate?) of unbundling.

I really can't agree that unbundling things like lisp and Sybase (let
alone WriteNow) is a good sign. If I want bare hardware for which I
can shell out separate money for any actual applications I want to
run, I doubt I'll be buying anything from NeXT (I've got an ND I
bought on the promise of what NeXT could do in the hardware field...)

--Steve Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: How to Listen to audio CD's painlessly via CDPlayer.app
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:13:35 GMT

gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes:

>jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) writes:
>> 2. Open Preferences.  To the right, click on the UNIX certificate icon.
>>    Under "Security Options" turn on "Public Window Server".  This is a
>>    security weakness, and I don't understand how severe.  However, I am
>>    a standalone site,  [...etc...]

>For people who are not a standalone site (ie, if your NeXT is on the  
>internet), this is a significant security hazard.  In my own opinion, it is  
>not a good idea to do if your NeXT is on the internet.  It is no problem to  
>do if your host is standalone, as JG's is.

To further emphasize why this is a hazard - when you have Public
Window Server turned on, anyone who has an internet connection to your
machine can perform tasks on your machine with the same security
equivalence as the person who is currently logged into the console
of the machine. (without a whole lot of trouble)
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bvrotney@ADS.COM (Bill Vrotney)
Subject: Re: release 3.0 question
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:59:12 GMT

In article <22539@galaxy.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:

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>   From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek)
>   Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
>   Date: 25 Sep 92 15:43:07 GMT
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>
>   The Help key that is referred to is included on the new NeXT ADB keyboard.  If  
>   you buy a new Turbo station or cube you'll be getting a newer starting point  
>   kit that includes an ADB mouse and the new ADB keybaord with the HELP key.  
>   [NeXT sent a memo to all of its resellers explaining the differences between  
>   the new ADB starting point kit and the old one and which models used which kit.  
>   a couple of weeks ago.  Plan is to offer future support for ADB (i.e,  
>   Macintosh) input devices in the future.  For today, only ADB devices which do  
>   not require a software driver will work with NeXT systems.]
>
>   Most of us have the older keyboard so we have to use the keyboard shortcut  
>   Alternate-Control instead. 


Since emacs uses Alt-Cnt is this a problem when running emacs from Terminal
App? If so how can one get around that problem?

--
Bill Vrotney
Advanced Decision Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re:  Audio CDs on CD-ROM Drive
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:48:48 GMT

In article <dillon.0o6s@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US  
(Matthew Dillon) writes:
> 
>     Unfortunately, it is ILLEGAL to store or otherwise process (except to
>     simply play) the RAW BINARY data from an Audio CD.
> 
This is simply NOT TRUE.  There is no difference under the law, yet, between  
making a binary copy, or an audio cassette copy, of copyright music.  I can  
right now make a digital dub of any CD to a DAT.  Perfectly legal. I can  
process it to my heart's content. It's all in what you then do with that copy.   
Distribute it, even to just one friend, and you're now breaking the law.


> 
> 				    -Matt
> 
> --
> 
>     Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
>     1005 Apollo Way		uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
>     Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
>     USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000

Jim

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Mathematica- can't get our passwords
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:15:57 GMT

In article <20724@plains.NoDak.edu> enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd  
Enders) writes:
> Bill Smith writes
> > We have 8 new stations in our lab just sitting there because we can't
> > get Mathematica passwords from Wolfram so we can make them available
> > to our students to do their lab work.  We have been waiting for 3 weeks!
> > We have sent email and called but we just get put off.  Is there some
> > problem between NeXT and Wolfram that they can't get their record act
> > together?  Anybody else got the run around on this issue?  I wish NeXT
> > had retained distribution for academic users.  
> 
>      Funny you should mention this...  I got off the phone with an individual
> at Wolfram just today.  Sine I finally had enough room to install my copy
> of Mathematica, I fired up MathInstaller (this under NS 3.0), filled out the
> registration form and clicked the e-mail button.  Absolutely nothing  
happened!

NeXT-FAQ.misc: tidbits

*** Subject: M11. Why doesn't email registration to Mathematica work?

There is a bug with this option where the mail instead of
being sent to Wolfram is stored in /tmp/email.message.
This file seems to be suitable for mailing to
register@wri.com

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: ricardo@finn (Ricardo Parada)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Sun OR NeXT?! - help
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:29:57 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Sep29.202906.3917@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz) writes:
> Dear NeXTers,

[ stuff deleted here: Deciding between a NeXT and a Sun ]

> My main uses are: Mathematica, mathematical modelling of wave
> propagation (i.e. lots of numerical integration of complex functions), 
> image processing, word processing, spreadsheet, etc. 
> 
> The SPARC systems under consideration are the IPX and (maybe) the Sparc  
> 10-31 which is considerably faster than ANY NeXT.
> Either machine will need a C/C++ compiler, FORTRAN and Mathematica.
> 
> Now the hard part; how to sell my leaders on a NeXT...?
> 
> Eric S. Boltz

The kind of apps that you'll need (i.e. Spreadsheet, Word Processing) are  
really very nice on the NeXT.  Mesa is a Spreadsheet that from what I've  
read it might become the Excel of the NeXT (maybe even better).  You also  
have the revolutionary Improv.  You also have a choice in word processors  
and page layout programs as they begin to appear: Pages, PasteUp, etc.
If you need speed for something you can take advantage of the network and  
have that process run remotely "if" there's a computing server available  
on your net.  You can still run X applications and display them on your  
NeXT by using 3'rd party software (i.e. Co-Xist, Cube-X).  **As long as  
you have the apps you need on your NeXT I'm sure you'll be happier**.   
Most NeXT Apps are a joy to use. Take a hard look at the software  
available on the NeXT that you might need and make sure they enhance your  
productivity even though a NeXT is slower than a Sun. Speed is some cases  
is not the issue but the ease of use of the programs which can enhance  
your productivity.

A NeXT is a joy to use!
A NeXT is a joy to program!

--
+ Ricardo (My personal opinion)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fankhaus@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (George Fankhauser)
Subject: Re: Has anyone gotten NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app to work?
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:31:49 GMT

florian, that's not true: I use a noname toshiba drive that works
for data and sound...

George

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo)
Subject: Re: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:04:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.091430.11860@ITcorp.com> geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning) writes:
>
>How come the release keeps getting bigger, yet the functionality
>continues to shrink?
>-- 
>	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@ITcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff


	SHRINK??????  What do you call PostScript Level II, Interactive/Photo-
realistic RenderMan/3DKit, AppleTalk, NetWare, PANTONE Color, Macintosh FS,
Application Links, CD-ROM, DBKit, Distributed Objects, ISDN/PhoneKit, the
Workspace now reuses emptied icon slots on the screen and setuid/gid files
are displayed in the File Viewer's "listing" mode 8^), etc.

	What got unbundled?  WriteNow!  MusicKit!  /usr/include?  8^)

--Felix

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: paul@nuguk.demon.co.uk (Paul Beaumont)
Subject: Playing Audio CDs
Distribution: world
Organization: NeXT User Group (UK)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:29:43 +0000

Is it possible to play an audio CD through the internal speakers of the NeXT?

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From: poff@vax.sonoma.edu (Thomas Poff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Is NeXT as good as DEAD?  (was Fed Up!)
Keywords: grumpy
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:51:00 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Yep, I'm a developer and I still hear what you are saying.  I'm interested
in the NeXT as a development paradigm, but I'd still like to see my 
applications used someday... so I'm concerned, nay MORTIFIED that so many
people feel this way about NeXT.  C'mon guys, you've just GOT to support
the old hardware or you'll never move forward into the markets you really
have been striving for.

The reason why they haven't been worried about it is because not enough
people haven't been vocalizing their opinions.  If you show them what you
want, they will react.  For those of you who don't know... the number is 
(800)848-NeXT!  A letter would probably be even better.

In article <1992Oct2.065746.18464@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes...
>In article <1992Oct1.161658.9820@mcs.gvsu.edu> vogeli@straylight.gvsu.edu (Christian Vogeli) writes:
> 
>
>>
>>Eerily, my Apple IIe is starting to look appealing--if only for its  
>>nostalgic "stability."
> 
>Might I suggest upgrading it to a GS. There's lot's of very interesting 
>sw now available for it, and you'll get much better sound in addition.
>There's at least 2 excellent communications' programs which are reliable,
>and a third about to appear. You can use HyperStudio for low end multimedia
>work (or HyperCard GS, although it's not as good) and use your Cube as a
>file server to the GS (via IPT's sw).
> 
>I bought a Cube for precisely the same reasons you did. And for precisely
>those reasons, it would take an act of God to get me to buy another NeXT
>system.
> 
>I seriously question the NeXt as a viable computer for education. Let the
>developers program for themselves.
> 
>Philip McDunnough
>University of Toronto
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans Brahmantyo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: BUG: Font Panel's font list is broken under 3.0
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:05:43 GMT
Organization: University of Denver

BUG BUG BUG

I have more than 300 fonts that are usually available under the Font Panel 2.1.  
However, after isntalling 3.0 and did buildafmdir again, only all fonts before  
Times are displayed/listed (my Tekton, Zapf Dingbats, Zapf Chancery, etc did  
not show up). I checked the .fontdirectory files (in NextLibrary/Fonts and  
/LocalLibrary/Fonts) and they do not contain the fontname further than Times.

Has anyone experienced the same problem or had a way to fix this?
--

...................... Brahm ....................................
                        Q. Image & Advertising
                        Lans_Brahmantyo@denver.cba.du.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:15:39 GMT

In <1992Oct5.235713.2907@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:

>Christopher D Audley writes
>> > Why not have everyone put their documentation in troff??
>> 

Actually, I suggested this :-)

>> Why not just use PostScript.  Authors of documentation can
>> use any word processing/page layout program they want and
>> save it as PostScript.  Its not like people are typically
>> going to want to be able to modify documentation they receive.
>> The original author can retain the document in whatever format
>> he wishes for latter modification. 

>> Every NeXTstep program has the ability to create PostScript
>> files and every NeXT can read them.  Why does there seem to
>> be resistence to using it as the standard format of documentation?

>I think that the main problem with PostScript is that you can't drop  
>the files into DL.

>Edit .rtf and .rtfd files seem ideal for distributing docs, and  
>everyone gets Edit.  The main constraint there is the lack of page  
>breaks and page numbering (and perhaps, headers/footers).  This would  
>seem to be fairly trivial to add to Edit, and shouldn't step on too  
>many outside developers' toes, since the resulting app would still be  
>pretty limited.  If NeXT can't find the time to do it itself, perhaps  
>they could provide the source to somebody who would volunteer to do  
>it as a public service?

Not to beat on this issue (personally, I don't really care *all that much*)
but people were all complaining that (1) they wanted to index things for
DL and (2) they wanted headers, footers, etc. and then complaints started
about unbundling apps, NeXT's devotion to its old customers, etc. etc. It
just seems to me that for those people who want (1) and (2) that troff is
a reasonable possibility. I recognize it's not the greatest thing around, 
IT JUST DOES (1) and (2) AND IS FREE WITH ALL NeXTs.  Myself, I'd prefer
TeX, but it doesn't satisfy (1) and most people with smaller discs don't
run it (and even if you have a big disc, why should you install TeX (or 
even the now defunct ReadNow, or ---- ugh! --- the Demo of FrameMaker)
just so you can read documentation?  As for adding the features described
above to Edit, great idea(!) but the thought that NeXT would let out
the code to someone can do it flies in the face of experience thus far.
Wouldn't it be easier to just make a little app in IB that drove troff
so people wouldn't actually have to deal with troff directly?  

If a developer doesn't care about the (1) and (2) combination then by all
means use something else. I'm just trying to point out another possibility.

Tom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pharr-matthew@CS.YALE.EDU (Matthew Pharr)
Subject: Re: CRASHME crashes NS 3.0 in less than a second!!!
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:34:25 GMT

In article <BvFunJ.E1H@gate.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk
	(Paul Lynch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.152220.18225@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org>  
>jr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) writes:
>> The user program CRASHME that is available from some ftp-servers
>> crashes NS 3.0 in less than a second!!! That is the depressing 
>> result of my tests. It's a shame that NS hasn't been tested with
>> this in many magazines demonstrated user program. It produces
>> many different system exceptions that have to be handled properly
>> by the kernel...
>> After the crash you can't even reach NMI! You have to use 
>> <Command><Alternate>*.
>> 
>> Shame!!!
>> 
>
>So what.  Almost every Unix system is crashed in < 2 seconds by Crashme.
>

If I remember correctly, a fair number of Unix systems -aren't-
crashed by CrashMe.  Anyway, what CrashMe does is fork as many
processes as it can and write to memory randomly, in the hopes of
destroying something important that the o/s wasn't protecting
properly. I would assume that the problem NeXTs have with this is the
same old one that comes up when you fork() too many processes or
threads--the panic out of nowhere and lock-up that was discussed
earlier in the thread about what happens when you try to write a
multi-threaded app with, say, 200 threads...

matt