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From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: Using Terminal Server from HP 9000's??
Keywords: hp 9000 ethernet server terminal
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:21:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.230739.20400@serval.net.wsu.edu> eric@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Eric Schneider) writes:
>	Does anyone have experience using a terminal server on a network
>of HP 9000 workstations?  Specifically, I'm looking for information about
>performance, overall impression, and modem access.  I'd like to connect
>4 modems to a terminal server and have dial-in and dial-out access on all
>four modems.  Can UUCP/cu be configured to go off to a modem on a terminal
>server?

We use a cisco terminal server to access all our systems, HP included,
and it works with one problem: due to HP-UX being based on ancient (BSD
4.2?) software, if you "escape" back to the terminal server from an
rlogin session, you lose ^S/^Q flow control on all rlogin sessions from
then on; telnet sessions are fine. Our "real" HP/Apollo DNxxxx(x) systems
have exactly the same problem, for the same reason. Most vendors have
fixed rlogind long ago, and our Sun/SGI/IBM systems work properly.

I'm not sure what you mean by performance -- terminal servers are limited
by the speed users can type on the input side, and we have never seen
difficulties with output that are not the fault of the sending system
(we have 64 terminals/modems on our cisco, and are thinking about adding
more).

We tried UUCP once, but didn't get it to work properly (who knows
what was at fault; I know very little about UUCP so it could have
been configuration problems in the modems, terminal server or host).
You can configure the cisco so that you can dial out from a
(UNIX) host (we have ours blocked to prevent that).
-- 
What are the chances that any computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
From: sdroppers@pbs.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Does CD-ROM documentation work?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:02:24 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Apr10.182052.4908@cello.hpl.hp.com>, renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) writes:
> hsg@duke.cs.duke.edu (Henry Greenside) writes:
>> HP makes a lot of its documentation available on
>> CD-ROM. In practice, does a CD-ROM provide a reasonable
>> alternative to hard copy manuals?
> 
> In my experience, CD-ROM documentation makes it much easier to track
>  ...
> The only real drawback to it is that it takes up space on your screen.
> There's no good equivalent to laying the manual open on your desk and
> ...

That is very true, a good old paper manual is the best still, but I did manage
to get the bind name server configured, up, and running, without any
expierience, with the CD-ROM version of the documents, though I did dump a few
pages to the printer now and again...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gupta@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (PJ Gupta)
Subject: Trouble loading TCP NetBIOS as TSR on 386 with HP Ethertwist card
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:33:14 GMT


Greetings,

I am trying to run an application which uses Netbios (or TCPBIOS, TCP/IP
version of NetBIOS).
I have a TCPBIOS.EXE supplied by Ungermann-Bass Inc. originally for their
NIUs (i.e. Network Cards) but am now using an HP Ethertwist card.
Loading TCPBIOS as a device driver just doesn't seem to work - the line in
the CONFIG.SYS containing the DEVICE=... statement results in a generic error
message  "Error in line foo".

(TCP/IP) NetBIOS should be same for essentially all Network Adapters,
right?

Has anybody else had similar problems - I tried loading it using LOADHI
command of QEMM-386 but no avail.

Also is there a distribution site where I could find the latest version of
TCPBIOS ?

..PJ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)
Subject: Re: VUE window appearance and bells/whistles.
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:08:13 GMT

A program I was running under hpterm sent some trash to the window, so
the output was walking across the page.  Not knowing how to send a reset
to an hpterm, I just closed it and opened another.  Voila, it's now
a different color, a different font, a different font size, and the
scroll bar is gone.  It seems to be ignoring all my setup stuff.

I've gotten out of this in the past by re-booting.  Is there something
less catastrophic I can do to get new hpterm windows to use the
correct set of defaults?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Van Snyder = vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: uiuc.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp
From: knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu (Kevin Nechodom)
Subject: Re: 720-730 upgrade
Keywords: 720 730 upgrade
Organization: University of Utah STACC
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.211509.27018@ornl.gov> jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S) writes:
[deleted stuff]
>One question, though. I *thought* that the 720/730 upgrade program was
>supposed to put a 720 on my desk early and later turn it into a 730.
>However, my upgrade was just the 730 motherboard swap, not the EISA
>adaptor that comes in a factory 730. So, to my way of thinking, this
>machine is not quite a "real" 730. This means that a year or two from
>now when I want a FDDI board, I will have to pay (~$1500) for the EISA
>adaptor PLUS the price of the FDDI board. Grump.

Question: Did you get the 720 QuickFix option?  Or did you buy a 720,
then decide to upgrade to 730 afterwards?  In my case, I ordered a
730, then converted the order to QuickFix after a period of time. [Do
I get the prize for understatement?]  The 720 that was used was
A1929A, which included option ALD, EISA interface slot.


>Is that common experience? Did *anyone* get the EISA adaptor for "free"
>along with their 720-to-730 upgrade?

Not for free.
BTW, I don't have my 730 upgrade yet, but I still have my EISA slot.

>Johnny Tolliver
>jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov


-- 
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   In the event that I am caught, the UofU | together!
   disavows any knowledge of my activities | -- rallying cry at annual
knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu                 |    convention
From: shankar@aspen.IAG.HP.COM (Shankar Unni)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:41:52 GMT
Subject: Re: xdb's disassembly mode.
Organization: HP International Contract Programming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:

>         0x0009c1cc   signal_n        STW     26,-36(0,30)
>  > 121: 0x0009c1d0   signal_n+0004   LDW     -36(0,30),20
>         0x0009c1d4   signal_n+0008   COMIBF,<=,N     1,20,signal_name+0044

> Is there any way to make xdb show more than just the first 8
> characters of the function name?

Yes, try the "L" command: it will write out the current line (0x009c1d0
above), but will write out the label name fully.
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HP International Contract Programming          HPDESK: Shankar UNNI / HP4700
Phone : +1-408-447-4007                          UUCP: ...!hplabs!hpda!shankar
From: vidar@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Stoerkersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Problems writing a device driver for HP-UX 8.07.
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:41:59 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

I'm writing a pseudo device driver for the 700 series running HP-UX
8.07 operating system. (What the device "is" or what it's doing is
not of great importance.)

But there turn up some problems doing some networking in the driver.
 
I've got an "old driver" for the 300 series running HP-UX 7.x. 
The problem is that this "old driver" never worked satisfactory on 
the 300's. 

There where two major problems with the "old driver":	
Problem 1.) A routine called lanc_log_stc. 

I think this routine register a "protocol" and a "packet_handle" in the
HP-UX kernel. When an ethernet packet of type "protocol" is received by
the ethernet driver, it calls a routine "packet_handle", which "handled"
the packeat. 
 	 
The lanc_log_stc routine is of the form: 
int lanc_log_stc( enum packet_kinds, int protocol,
			struct ifqueue *packet_handle(), ?, ?, ?, ?, ?);

(The five ?, is unknown parameters.)

... and the packet handle routine ...:
struct ifqueue *packet_handle( struct ifnet *ifnet_ptr, struct mbuf *m, 
			int unknown_param)

Problem 2.) The memory buffering system.(mbufs).

I've got even greater problems.
There is no longer a routine called lanc_log_stc in the 8.07 release.
It's replaced by a new routine which I don't know the name of. 
I need to know the name of the "new routine", which parameters it needs,
the type of the parameters and a description of this routine. 

I need also to know the parameters for the packet handle routine.

I've got a book by Leffler, McKusick, Karels and Quarterman called 
The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System.
This book describes mbufs, but it don't give descriptions to all the
functions and macros which are needed to manipulate mbufs.

I need a desciption of the mbuf structure for the 8.07 release of the
HP-UX operating system. And i need a description of the
functions/macros handling mbufs for the HP-UX 8.07.

And at last where is the kdb_printf() routine.

Any help on these problems would be appreciated.

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
Vidar Stoerkersen        +=+     vidar@stud.cs.uit.no
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+








Keywords: 
From: cary@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Cary Coutant)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:12:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Odd results on 300 versus 800.
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> Thus, if you do a computation like 0.65 * 20, you're likely to get a
> number like 12.99999999999 or 13.000000001.  Similarly, the internal
> representation for 13.0 will be something like 12.999999999 or
> 13.00000001 in the floating-point format.

Integers (as long as they fit in the mantissa) are always represented
exactly in floating-point format.  The problem here is that 0.65 is not
represented exactly.

Cary Coutant, HP California Language Lab
From: knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu (Kevin Nechodom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Little D(a)emons appearing!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:18:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1992Apr6.181859.4864
Organization: University of Utah STACC

I think I have a problem with possession.  I'm not sure.  What I am
getting is a rlogind or telnetd in my process list when I sign onto my
machine remotely.  Aren't they supposed to be run by root?  I looked
them up with LaserRom, but didn't see anything very explanatory, except
how /etc/inetd.conf should be setup (and my file looks correct).

BTW, I am running 8.05 on a 720.  I am dialing my campus terminal
server, then trying to telnet to my machine.

Am I worrying about nothing?

-- 
Kevin Nechodom U of U STACC (801) 581-6410 | "It's okay to murder babies, but
   If I knew what I said, then maybe I     |  we really otta save the whales!"
   would know what to disclaim!            | -- Randy Stonehill, _Stop_the_
knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu                 |    _World,_I Want_to_Get_Off!_
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:5210 gnu.misc.discuss:1857
From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: HP-UX public domain software (update #1)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:56:32 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <1992Apr11.034921.8359@sol.UVic.CA> dgawley@sirius.UVic.CA (Dave  Gawley) writes:
: |> I guess if you want to keep the politicos happy, you'll have to call
: |> your FTP collection "Public Domain and/or Gnu Public License."
: |> --
: |> James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
: 
: How about the term "public access software"?

I prefer the term "freely redistributable", but I'm not real picky.

(I do prefer that people not call non-PD things PD, since that has
potential legal ramifications if you let it go on long enough, and I
don't like legal ramifications... :-)

Larry Wall
lwall@netlabs.com
From: shinn@agsm.ucla.edu (Shinn-Tzong Wu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: How to get around with this HP Fortran bug?
Organization: UCLA, Department of Psychology, Drug Abuse Research Center
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:18:07 PDT

Well, I have to admit that I didn't say something in my previous mail.
Thanks for the two gentlemen gave me reply, but I DID know that I
passed real*4 to real*8 and that was the reason to get crash.  But
I wonder why:

(1) the same code worked in old HP-UX 7.0;
(2) the same code worked in IBM VS Fortran, DEC Fortran, Ultrix Fortran,
    IBM AIX, Sun, Microsoft Fortran, Lahey Fortran, MAC MPW etc,  only
    crashed in this version HP-UX 8.0X compliers?  
(3) if HP didn't want to fix it because it violated ANSI standard, they
    should not tell us that it was a 'bug' and will be fixed until 8.3.

> > From: Bo Thide' <bt@irfu.se>
> > ---- <lines deleted> ----
> > OOPS! Be careful. It seems your problem is sloppy programming,
> > not a compiler bug!  Please consult the nearest FORTRAN manual.
> > 


(4) I don't know if I can draw the conclusion that all other compilers were
    also 'sloppy' so they can handle this code;

> >> From: vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)

> > I think the problem is in your code, not in the compiler.  Code annotated
> > below:

> > The problem is that a real*8 array is associated to a real*4 array by
> >> way of the calling sequence.  This violates the Fortran standard, lines
> > 21-24 on page 15-16 of ANSI X3.9-1978:

(5) I totally agree with Mr. Snyder, but to change 25,000+ lines of code
    to confirm to each of ANSI... :< (forget about IF ELSE ENDIF etc)
    And to pray that HP will do somthing about it.
(6) Our mail header was messed up too, so please send your reply to
    shinn@shin.sscnet.ucla.edu, thanks again.

Shinn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Do the X11 libraries exist for 9000/8x7 systems?(SUMMARY)
From: sdroppers@pbs.org
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:37:02 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Apr2.160801.15726@pbs.org>, sdroppers@pbs.org writes:
> We have a 9000/827 (well three of them, acually) and I would like to compile
> some code that uses the X11 libraries.  I cannot find them on our system,
> anywhere.  I used a find -name Xlib.h for example and could not get anything. 
> Am I out of luck, do I have to load the X11R4 system from somewhere, or what? 
> I wonder, since I am sitting in a window that is being managed by the HPs right
> now...  Does HP send stuff around that supports the compiled X utilities only
> and leave the others out in the cold?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

The answer seems to be to order part number B1170A, the HP User Environment
Developers Kit for HP-UX Version 8.0 or later.  This includes a bunch of stuff
for X11 and HP VUE.  Thanks to all that helped and answered.
-- 
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From: scot@sioux.ugrad.ee.ufl.edu (Scott Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: g++ & HPUX8.0
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:23:19 GMT
Organization: UF EE Department

Has anyone ported g++ to a HP900/425 running
HP-UX 8.0. If so where can I get the source?

Regards,
Scott
From: berg@scarab.cat.com (John C. Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: re: Doed CD-ROM documentation work?
Keywords: DOCUMENTATION, CDROM
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:29:29 GMT
Reply-To: jberg@harriett.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Caterpillar, Inc.

I have been using the HP LASERROM software for quite some time, and I have
found it quite convenient.  I am running on a 730, and document access times
(keyword searches) never take longer than 5 seconds.  You can search by
keyword, multiple keyword, and title/document search mode.  I feel that it
is worth it, but if your system is down, there's nothing like hardcopy!

John Berg. :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Wcl under HP9000/710
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:15:40 GMT


Need help. Cannot Make Wcl.2.01 on HP 9000/710. Have standard
HP configuration. HP_UX 8.05 and C development 8.07. Do not have imake.


Any help will be appreciated.



Aleksey Y. Romanov
From: shankar@aspen.IAG.HP.COM (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: MetaKey,emacs18.58,X11R4,hpux8.05 a FAQ but...
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:06:50 GMT
Organization: HP International Contract Programming

In comp.sys.hp, poirriez@margaux.inria.fr (Vincent Poirriez) writes:

> >> (I have these lines in my .vueprofile)

> >>xmodmap -e "clear control"
> >>xmodmap -e "add control = Control_L"

> >>xmodmap -e "clear mod1"
> >>xmodmap -e "add mod1 = Meta_L"
> >>xmodmap -e "add mod1 = Meta_R"
>  And it does not work neither than the following:
> >>  xmodmap -e "clear control"  -e "add control = Control_L"
> >>  xmodmap -e "remove mod1 = Mode_switch"

> These lines in my .vueprofile do not fix the problem on the hp 9000 720
> running vue. 

Don't put them in .vueprofile: this file should generally contain only
things like variable assignments, "export", "umask", etc. calls.

Put these lines either in

  ~/.vue/<hostname>:0/sessionetc	(or ~/.xsession if you use that)

or in

  /usr/lib/X11/vue/Vuelogin/Xstartup

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HP International Contract Programming          HPDESK: Shankar UNNI / HP4700
Phone : +1-408-447-4007                          UUCP: ...!hplabs!hpda!shankar

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From: shankar@aspen.IAG.HP.COM (Shankar Unni)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:19:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Weird problems with X11R5 shared libraries under HPUX
Organization: HP International Contract Programming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:

> I figured it out -- shared libraries have to have the execute bit turned
> on, believe it or not.  Somehow mine lost the bit.  I discovered on the
> way that HP doesn't document mmap.

"mmap()" is *NOT* a supported user-callable entry point for this (8.X)
release.  It is strictly an *internal* entry point for use by the shared
library mechanism. In fact, if you try to use mmap() yourself on an 8.X
hp-ux system, you may even crash.

In a future release, mmap() will be supported as a user-callable entry
point.
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HP International Contract Programming          HPDESK: Shankar UNNI / HP4700
Phone : +1-408-447-4007                          UUCP: ...!hplabs!hpda!shankar

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From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:01:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Little D(a)emons appearing!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> ...rlogind or telnetd in my process list when I sign onto my machine
> remotely.  Aren't they supposed to be run by root?

Yes, and they are, but they are associated with your terminal, so by
default ps shows them.  See the ps(1) manual entry.

Anyway, you are not "possessed", and there's nothing to worry about.  :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sasbge@unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston)
Subject: Info needed for Vue-action LOCK_DISPLAY
Keywords: vue,LOCK_DISPLAY
Cc: sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:48:03 GMT
X-Bytes: 1575

I'm running an HP720 at HP-UX 8.07.  Recently I came upon the need
to execute the VUE action LOCK_DISPLAY.  This is the action that
my vuewmrc file says I execute when I click on the little padlock
in the Workspace Manager.  This action has the effect of "locking"
the screen until I re-enter my passwd (or the root passwd).  This 
*does* work when I click the button.  

I want to know is if there is an executable hiding somewhere that
I can call from a script that will do the same thing?  OR- more
generally, is there a method for calling VUE actions from a script.

Most VUE actions have a VUE action description file.  Peeking in the
file will tell you what the action is actually calling.  This particular
action seems to be built into the kernel or something that hides exactly
what is being executed.

If you can add *anything* to the questions above, please post back
or email me.  I will followup with a summary if I get responses.

What I am trying to do:  I want to put an inactivity monitor on my 
mouse, keyboard (etc...) and once a preset inactivity time has past,
I want to execute the LOCK_DISPLAY vue action.  I have the monitor
gizmo, but I can't find the magic to tell it to call.

Thanks.

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From: Kimmo.Suominen@lut.fi (Kimmo Suominen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: C Preprocessor defines (_INCLUDE_POSIX_SOURCE, etc.)
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:36:57 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Disclaimer: These are my opinions unless otherwise stated

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven C Preston <steve@eowyn.gte.com> writes:

Steven> define these three preprocessor tokens: _INCLUDE_POSIX_SOURCE,
Steven> _INCLUDE_XOPEN_SOURCE and _INCLUDE_HPUX_SOURCE.

I think -D_HPUX_SOURCE does it all.
--
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From: chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: window resize automatically changes environment?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:35:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcmgw.17780160
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO

> I didn't mean to sound hostile.  Sorry.  

Don't worry about it. I was kinda cranky that day. I suppose it's probably
the difference in interaction styles between Boston and Colorado. (Oh no,
now someone will flame me :-)

> I'm still curious: Why mix
> the old functionality (LINES/COLUMNS) and new functionality
> (SIGWINCH/TIOCGWINSZ) in a single application?  Why not ignore LINES
> and COLUMNS in favor of the size as reported by the TIOCGWINSZ ioctl()?

Good question. My theory (which is mine) is that in the rush to get the
SIGWINCH stuff into 8.07, they decided to put the bulk of the work into
the shells so that other applications (like "more", etc.) would just work.
The vi people probably just assumed that LINES and COLUMNS would be correct
upon instantiation.

> All the shells respond to SIGWINCH by resetting LINES and COLUMNS, but
> only if they are already set.  If LINES and COLUMNS are ever manually
> unset, the shells do not set them on a SIGWINCH.  

This is the info I was asking for. I'll submit a defect report (against
vi and the shells). I'm still curious as to how you get bitten by this 
in actual practice. 

			-- Chan "still cranky" Benson
			HP Fort Collins