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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: A Really Good SF Short Story
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:06:34 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

>In article <BtLqnH.Jyy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>> 
>> >levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine):
>> >>Pamela Sargent wrote a story, "Danny Goes to Mars," in the latest issue
>> 
>> >If my inference from the hints you're dropping is correct, you're
>> >asking people to award Hugos for Dan Quayle jokes.  (I haven't read
>> >the story, so it seems pointless to put up spoiler warnings.)  Will
>> >this still be worth reading ten years from now?
>> 
>> Yes, I think so.

>If there is a God, ten years from now people won't even remember who
>Dan Quayle is.

>If you want a *really* funny story, try Connie Willis's "Even the Queen"
>from IASFM a few months ago.,

>Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com

Yes, I enjoyed reading "Even the Queen." However, the Sargent story is
nothing like "Even the Queen." IMHO, it is funny only in the sense
"Flowers for Algernon" is funny. And, once again IMHO, it will last
long beyond the time Dan Quayle is otherwise remembered.

On what do I base these humble opinions? On the fact that I cried
when I was reading this story, on an airplane. Not my usual mode
of operation.

Lenore Levine
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Tarot sf and fantasy
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:48:55 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BtoECx.6Es@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>kennethm@terminus.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman) writes:

>>Another novel I haven't seen mentioned yet is 
>>_The Labyrinth Gate_ by Alis A. Rasmussen.  I'm about 90 percent
>>through with; it's fairly good.

>Minor nit here.  While the book is substantially based on a card deck, and a
>very interesting one at that, it is not Tarot.

Well, the book is based on *a* Tarot deck, not necessarily the one that
we're familiar with.


--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
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From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:46:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <3439@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes...
> 
>Sorry if this isn't exactly in line with the usual subject
>of this newsgroup, but readers of this group might be interested:
> 
>Don't forget to tune to ABC tonight (Tuesday) at 10:00pm Eastern Time
>for the debut of COVINGTON CROSS, the new series set in
>Medieval England, starring Nigel Terry. 
> 
>Let's hope it's good, and that it lasts.
> 
It was reviewed in today's Washington Post.  They said it was terrible. It's 
about a widower with 4 boisterous teenagers straight out of 1992, and differs 
from the usual boring sitcom only in the clothes worn and a generous sprinkling 
of thees and thous.

Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: A Really Good SF Short Story
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)

In article <1992Aug31.164033.24381@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com writes:
>> In fact, the best "Quayle Joke" in the story wasn't even insulting
>> (ref: when DQ assumed that the black woman was a basketball fan).

>You must have a different definition of "insulting" than I do.

I have to agree with Craig's definition.  For those who want to argue
it out, the joke follows (*SPOILER*).

VP Quayle hits it off with all but one of the other astronauts, the black
woman commander.  She's visiting one day, and gets hooked on the basketball
game on TV.  And Quayle at this point hits it off with her, and finally
comments that he should have known that she was a hoops fan.  Marilyn
and the astronaut both look at him in horror (since of course they [and
we readers] view it as a racist boner).  Not understanding their reaction,
he explains that that is the obvious conclusion to draw about anyone from
Indiana, at which point the astronaut laughs.

I, for one, find nothing _insulting_ in showing someone to be too naive to
think in racist terms.  Has Garry Trudeau been _insulting_ to his Zonker
character by exploiting his simpleminded naivity over and over again?  I
don't think so.

In general, the story was neither praise nor condemnation of Quayle.  The
story was told in a rather eerie bumbleheaded tone, and does a seemingly
good job of getting inside his thought processes.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The "canon" of modern fantasy coming back into print?
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:44:24 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: I is a writur

eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:

>Walton's Mabinogion-based fantasies appear to be coming out again,
>re-issued by Collins or Collier (sorry, I was just skimming).

Collier/Nucleus, edited by Jim Frenkel (formerly of Bluejay). The other
house doing a lot of classic reprints is Carroll&Graf. Both have brought
back some really neat stuff.

>Publishers gotta love these books; they don't have to pay the authors
>(or their estates) advances or royalties in most cases!  So where are
>they?

Um, in most cases they're not in the public domain yet, so they have to find
the rights owner (estate or whoever) before they can get permission to
publish. Even stuff that might be in the PD, it's not always easy to tell
whether it really is or not, and that's something you're really careful
about. This stuff also tends to sell in relatively low quantities, so it's
tough in any event to keep it in print, thanks to Thor Power Tools vs. the
IRS.

The latter reason is why Collier's new stuff (Walton'sbooks, for instance)
are trade paperback instead of mass market. TP are returned whole instead of
stripped, so the return rates and overhead costs are different, and TP's
generally have lower print runs and can be kept in print longer on lower run
rates. So for stuff like this, it's the best way to make it available.

-- 
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From: hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Phil Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Are the Moties us? 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:36:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Lethargy Inc.


In article <1992Aug24.234252.11253@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp writes:

  > Ron, are you seriously claiming that there is no evolutionary pressure
  > for large families?

You seem to be of the belief that not only is there a direct genetic 
imperative to have as many children as possible, but that it outweighs any 
other factors involved. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

It would seem that a consequence of such a situation would be that, on 
average, families in a richer country would be observed to be significantly 
larger than those in a poorer country, due to there being a greater ability 
to support children in the richer society. 

Therefore, if your theory (as I understand it) is correct, we can predict 
that family sizes (though not necessarily birth rates) in North America and 
Western Europe should be larger than family sizes in, say, South America, 
Africa and India.  

A) Do you agree with this reasoning? If not, where have I gone wrong?
B) Does anyone have the relevant data to confirm or refute the prediction?

 ----------------------------------------------
 Phil Anderson  ***  hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz
 ----------------------------------------------
       "No-one is equal to anyone else!"
From: mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Donaldson's Gap Cycle
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 00:42:18 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:

- I've tremendously enjoyed the first two books of this quintet
- and am eagerly awaiting the next one. Am I alone in this?
- 
- Steve
- --
- You are a true believer. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses.
- Thou art a subject of the divine, created in the image of man by the masses,
- for the masses. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work 
- hard...increase production...prevent accidents...and be happy. (THX-1138)


Does anyone know when the third book will be out in Canada as a hard 
cover?  I noticed that the second one is out in paperback, and since this 
is such a good story, I wouldn't mind purchasing the hard cover.


<<  ------------------------------------------  >>
<<        mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca          >>
<<  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  >>
<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<   The Key:  Spirit over mind over matter.    >>
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: A Really Good SF Short Story
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:56:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine):
>Pamela Sargent wrote a story, "Danny Goes to Mars," in the latest issue
>of IASFM, that, if there's any justice in this world, should get a 
>Hugo. Or a Nebula. Or at least three or four of them each.
>It uses the powerful theme of a very limited person who...

If my inference from the hints you're dropping is correct, you're
asking people to award Hugos for Dan Quayle jokes.  (I haven't read
the story, so it seems pointless to put up spoiler warnings.)  Will
this still be worth reading ten years from now?

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Larry Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The "canon" Of Modern Fantasy Coming Back Into Print?
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:59:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

Joel.Rosenberg@f341.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
>
>All the Thor decision did was add impetus in a direction publishing was 
>already moving, that of more short-term efficiency, more emphasis on what's 
>moving now, less on building a backlist.  Even if it's not taxed, a book 
>sitting in a warehouse still costs money to store... 

Yes, but not as much as being taxed -- small enough that the profit on
the eventual sale would cover it, if made early enough.

	Larry "But point taken about the trend" Hammer
--

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From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:32:36 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.org.sca
Organization: MSD

In article <1992Aug26.150648.15194@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) wrote:
> 
> >
> >Let's hope it's good, and that it lasts.
> 
> 
>      Arrrrgh!  The Brady Bunch visits Dallas in plasto-medieval drag.
> I *did* hope it would be good.  Now I hope it dies instantly and terribly
> but doesn't leave too much of a smell on the furniture....
> 


My wife, who likes historical shows (as long as they're trying to be
accurate) lasted for about 3 seconds.  When she saw the girl with the 90's
hairstyle who was wearing pants, she couldn't hack it, got off the couch,
and went off to do something productive.

Me?  I simply fell asleep.

chuck

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From: sethd@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Seth Dobbs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Tarot sf and fantasy
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:27:33 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Inc. GSS-AMT, Arlington Heights, Il

In article <1992Aug24.191913.27191@csus.edu> arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
(Arthur Chandler) writes:
>Can anyone here help me out?  I'm looking for science fiction and/or
>fantasy books based on the Tarot cards.  What I'm looking for is not
>just a casual reference or a scene, but books whose structure is based
>on the Tarot.

There is the Tarot series by Piers Anthony.  It's a trilogy, but I can't quite
remember the titles except that they all had Tarot in them.  The chapters are
numbered and titled by the trumps.

Hope that helps.

-- 
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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!grh@cactus.org (G R Hail)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Budrys' Aliens
Date: 29 Aug 1992 08:57:40 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Who was more clever than I and figured out what
Earthly species the aliens of Budrys' _Hard
Landing_ were closely related to?  I didn't
think to try to guess what species they might
resemble until I had read a great deal of the
novel (it is in the O/N 92 F&SF) and may have
missed some clues.

Send the message email, if you don't want to
post a spoiler!

GRH

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From: cracicot@us.oracle.com
Subject: Kurtz choosing between Deryni books?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:40:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

What's this business of Kurtz getting stuff published before
she dies?

Is she old or ill?  (I sure hope not!)

I don't want to choose between potential Deryni books; I want
to see all of 'em.
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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.eddings
Subject: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:39:27 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division


Sorry if this isn't exactly in line with the usual subject
of this newsgroup, but readers of this group might be interested:

Don't forget to tune to ABC tonight (Tuesday) at 10:00pm Eastern Time
for the debut of COVINGTON CROSS, the new series set in
Medieval England, starring Nigel Terry. 

Let's hope it's good, and that it lasts.

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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Magic in "our" world
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:23:23 GMT

sieler@cup.portal.com (stanley richard sieler) writes:

>Hi...does anyone have a list of stories dealing with magic in the
>otherwise real world?  I know there is a Poul Anderson story (whose
>title I would like to remember), Leiber's Conjure Wife, RAH's Magic, Inc,

Well, Poul Anderson's _Operation Chaos_, which was originally a bunch of
short stories, is set in a world very similar to ours, and it may in fact
be ours.  Other than that, most of his fantasy is clearly set in this world,
but in the past.  His version of the city of Ys occupied a specific point on
the coast of Brittany, and was submerged in the spring of 400AD.  His Viking
characters in _The Broken Sword_ and other works were subjects or enemies of
historical kings.

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.science
From: morlan@afit.af.mil (Bruce W. Morlan)
Subject: Re: Moties and the prisoner's dilemma
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:24:27 GMT

throopw@sheol.UUCP (Wayne Throop) writes:

>I didn't see the notions of the iterated prisoner's dilemma's impact on
>evolutionary thought applied to the question of the Moties and their
>cycles, so I thought I'd post a line or two, since the idea seems
>interesting.

< Large and well done discussion of the prisoner's dilemma deleted >

The formulation of the prisoner's dilemma is tricky.  IMHO, any payoff
matrix that allows infection and eventual overcome of a pure defect
strategy population by a TIT-FOR-TAT group probably is not a "true"
prisoner's dilemma situation.  We could call this situation a
pseudo-prisoner's dilemma.  The reason this is important is that
often historical situations are labeled, "Prisoner's Dilemma" that
are more likely pseudo-prisoner's dilemmas.  A prisoner's dilemma
situation should be unstable for cooperation.  I believe that one
of the referenced works gives the exact range of payoff ratios that
result in a prisoner's dilemma.

Suggested example, the hope by democratic countries that democracy
can invade and take over totalitarian regimes by economic forces
(boycotts, exclusionary trade groups, etc.).
-- 
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Dept. Department Head                    AFIT/ENC
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: polowin@chem.queensu.ca (Joel Polowin)
Subject: Re: Books On Magic Vs Science
Organization: Dept. of Chemistry, Queen's University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:24:36 GMT

In article <715028866.F00003@tdkt.kksys.com> ddb@tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-Bennet) writes:
> CB> Gee, about 15 or 18 years ago I remember reading what I remember
> CB> as a really good magic vs science novel called, I think _The Last
> CB> Unicorn_. Don't remember the author, but the gist was that the
> CB> Earth was split up into nations who used magic and nations who
> CB> relied on science, and they were at war. The main character was
> CB> an intelligence agent for the science guys who was infiltrating
> CB> the magicians and something about looking for a unicorn.
>
>There's a very famous book by that title written by Peter S. Beagle.  I don't
>remember it well, it may correspond to your description above, but if so those
>aren't the parts that caught my attention.

I recently re-read Beagle's book; it has none of the elements described
above.  Except a unicorn, of course...

polowin@chem.queensu.ca, polowin@silicon.chem.queensu.ca,
 polowinj@qucdn.queensu.ca
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake up...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Dana/David Andrews
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:23:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Sep4.095211.6349@ericsson.se>, etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher) writes...

} Well my question is, is DAVID Andrews of Pulaski fame the same guy as
} DANA Andrews who stars in "Mann and Machine".

Sorry, but the actor in M&M is David Andrews, not Dana. Dana Andrews was
an actor from decades past. Recall the line from THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE
SHOW: "Dana Andrews said prunes/gave him the runes/and passing them used
lots of skill". This is a reference to the 1950s movie CURSE OF THE DEMON.

-- 

	I'm so short, I have to look up to see down.

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (until Friday, September 4, 1992)

    "The word is given."
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:59:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Covington Cross--A Review
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv

o Nige is great --> reminds me of Excalibur
o Fun show
o Dynamite red head despite the missing accent
o Probably get nuked by the idiot critics and disappear after 13 shows.


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: dchuk@netcom.com (Denise Chuk)
Subject: SF Channel in San Jose?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:28:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa


Sorry if this has been answered before, but can anyone tell me whether the
cable co. in San Jose, CA area (Heritage Cable owned by TCI, I think) is going 
to carry the SF Channel?

Thanks for the info.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: ramsey@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Blake's 7 Ending
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:13:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.095330.58593@cc.usu.edu>, sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna
Payne) writes:

> While I, for one, quite enjoy seeing "Blake" posts, I know that many
> people do not.  Perhaps we can keep the debate short this time.

Or at least well-labeled, so that those who don't want to read such
articles may avoid them...

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	    Internet: ramsey@cua.edu   Bitnet: ramsey@cua
From: millerbe@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Barry E. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Mann & Machine
Keywords: mann, machine
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:17:00 GMT



	Does anyone have the first three Mann & Machine episodes on
video?  I missed the first three shows, but caught the rest and was
disappointed when it was canned. (They always can the good shows like
Mann, or Probe!).

	If someone could find me a copy of episode 1,2,3 of Mann I 
would be thrilled.  PLease mail me at my email address.


Barry Miller
millerbe@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu