From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights,misc.kids,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Impact of the absent father
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois

jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood) writes:

> In article <1992Aug27.173448.8904@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid K
> >In article <1992Aug25.230720.19685@u.washington.edu> hamton@byron.u.washingt
> >
> >>   We need able parents not "remote wallets".
> >
> >We need both.  If the mother isn't financially independent, and the
> >father isn't going to be held responsible for the money to raise the
> >children, who is?  The government (translation:  you, me, and every
> >other taxpayer)?  No thanks.  If a dad isn't going to be a "real" dad,
> >for whatever reason, he still has responsibilities.  I refuse to take
> >them over for him because he doesn't want to be a "remote wallet".
>  
> A "real" dad is someone like me. More than pays for his children's
> needs, but also pays for their mothers vacations with fiance #4.
> "Real dads" like me VISIT their children, kind of like women who have
> visitation with their children, but they're in PRISON for murdering 
> their child. The only difference between me and the murderer is
> that her living children are DELIVERED to her. "Real dads" make out-
> rageous child support payments to support the childrens mortgage 
> payment. That way when my children turn 18 the ex will return to
> the children THEIR investment in THEIR home. Sure she will.
> "Real dads" pay huge amounts to his children's mother so the money
> can be spent wisely. Her parental responsibility is assumed, the
> fathers is questioned. "Real dads" have to have their child support
> payments (32% after state and federal taxes, FICA) garnished from
> their paychecks, Real Dads are presumed criminals. "Real dads" 
> are only visiters and babysitters. Real dads are awarded reasonable
> visitation at divorce. Reasonable visitation states that the "Real
> Dad" is allowed to pick up his children at the "Children's house" (NOT)
> every other weekend. Real dads are also allowed one visit per week.
> "Real Dads" could pay as much as $120,000.00 in child support (my
> estimated child support payments until my kids are 18, this figure
> does not include inflation, higher income (Get the fucker, he makes
> more money. Git 'em, sick em, get the weasle dead beat mother fucker)
> and future mandates from Government. "Real dads" can drive a 125 miles
> to pick up his children only to be told, "You can't see em, and if
> you come over to my sisters house I'll call the cops". "Real dads" 
> talk to cops and find out that "there is nothing we can do, Mr Wood.
> Talk to an attorney." Real dads don't have money for attorneys. Real
> dads buy their children roller blades and used bicycles while his
> children tell them what their 'stepdad' bought them a new bike. 
> "Real dads" hear their children tell them about new swimming pools 
> they might get. Real dads buy them clothes because he doesn't want
> to take his children to church wearing worn out t-shirts and 
> hand me down tennis shoes. Real dads become upset with court systems
> that charge 90 dollar filing fees to question visitation denial but
> charge mothers demanding child support increases ZERO. Real
> dads question the governments idealistic copout that mandates they
> must DESTROY real dads "because it is in the best interest of 
> children". Real dads question the sincerity and motives of Hillary Clintons'
> involvement in "the Children's Defense Fund". Real dads puke
> when they heard Slick Willy's convention speech. Real dads become
> so fed up with the system that some of them have become angry
> enough to walk into Ft. Worthe Family Court and blow as many people
> away as possible. Real dads are not surprised to hear about it
> on the radio. Real dads expect this to happen and for the incidence
> of such events to increase. Real dads wonder how other real dads
> can hold up. Real dads care about their children's future. Unreal
> dads think it couldn't happen to them. Real dads miss out on
> a lot of their children's life. Real dads pay for baseball gloves
> but rarely see it in practice. I've known Real Dads to turn to
> drink. I've known real dads who've OFFed themselves. I've known
> children to miss Real dads. Real dads pay taxes to support a women's
> right to choose. (Maybe it's time we stop). Real dads pay taxes
> for schools, AFDC and deadbeat moms. Real dads pay taxes to
> support single mothers to go to college and better themselves. Real
> dads have been to war to preserve freedom, for their children. 
> Real dads dream and hope their children will not have to fight
> to preserve their freedom, and their 'syster's choices'. Real
> dads do the best they can and often tell others to go fuck themselves.


I promised myself I'd never quote a whole article to put a one line follow 
on but this article is sooooooo right on the money it isn't funny. have you 
ever read something that said exactly what you feel and says it better than 
you ever could...this article does, What a great, great article. BTW, I pay 
40% Net and only twice monthly visitation, one overnight!! Reasonable 
spelled out is whoever has the better lawyer daddy paid for hers!!
Jim

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