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From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: About comments on Liverpool
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands

In article <1992Nov3.164942.7616@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, chin@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(CHIN  LI CHOONG) writes:
> I am really appalled at the "language" used when you guys comment on
> Liverpool.
> Where does the fury come from? I really believe that there's just too much
> bickering on each other side so much so that the real intention of
> commenting
> constructively is lost somehow thru' anger and fury. 

Go spend an afternoon on the kop, especially when Liverpool are losing
(shouldn't be difficult this season). The language you'll hear makes the stuff
posted here seem like a vicar's tea party. Anyway, who said we intended to
comment constructively. This is about football fer chrissakes.

Chris

PS the sound of the kop after Liverpool have gone 1 down is one of the most
beautiful sounds known to man. 
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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Re: Rijkaard to Blackburn ?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:38:17 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

In <1992Nov6.180122.17741@ousrvr.oulu.fi>
	mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) writes:


+ Aston Villa manager Ron Atkinson says that he has heard a reliable 
+ news that Blackburn has made an offer on Frank Rijkaard, the Dutch
+ international player. The transfer fee would be a record in English
+ soccer, nearing 4 million pounds, and definitely being higher than
+ that of Alan Shearer's 3,6 million. 
+ There are some good reasons why believe in this: a) Blackburn has a
+ lot of money b) they need a superstar as the backbone of their team
+ and c) AC Milan has 6 foreign players but they can field only 4 at
+ a time due to Italian league regulations.
+ 
+ 
+ --
+ 	-Marko Poutiainen
+ 	 mep@phoenix.oulu.fi

Unlikely this will happen. 

Just this week Rijkaard (and van Basten) signed new contracts with AC
Milan, extending them to august 1995. And most likely a raise in salary
an bonuses.
Gullit is the man with the undecided future at AC.

Also i believe Italian teams can field only three foreigners at a
time.

joost.

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From: manuel@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Manuel Balmaseda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Holland has only 3 good teams, bullshit!
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:42:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.214238.8034
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	So, how many good teams in England at the moment?  0?  Very impressive
indeed.  Sorry to say but the level of the Dutch play is way above that of the
Brittish nowadays.
	The only truly competitive league in Europe is the Italian League and
even there it seems that the same teams tend to dominate the competition.

Manolo

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From: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (David MacManus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Fitba' Crisis
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:11:29 GMT
Reply-To: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.

In article 3963@spider.co.uk, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>The so called "best league in the World" can't produce teams that get past
>the second round of European competitions. Not one of their teams competing
>last night won a game, and they were all at home. Of course Leeds Utd. were
>beaten by the British Champions, who of course come from Scotland. Liverpool,
>well a 2-0 defeat at home does little for Souness and Sheffield Wednesday,
>well they're Gladys anyway so no excuses there. However, this so called
>"Premier League" consists of very average teams, most of which would struggle
>in the Scottish league.
>
>"we're not in the habit of losing in our own midden" - Howard Wilkinson
>
>Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton all tried but failed. We didn't!
>
>-- 
> Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
> Spider Systems Limited     
> Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
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	Rangers are to be congratulated on their fine win.... although
	I for one (maybe the only one in England) thought they would
	win.
	I seem to remember Arsenal putting Leeds out of the FA Cup
	a couple of years ago at the ?third? attempt...2-1 at Elland
	Rd. Does that not count Scott?
	Dave MacManus
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From: dstein@vesta.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Europe - UEFA and CWC Nov 4 results
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:43:19 GMT

Mark Willcock writes:

>In Olomouc: 
>Sigma Olomouc (Czechoslovakia) 7 Fenerbahce (Turkey) 1 (3-1)
>Scorers:
>Sigma Olomouc - Roman Hanus (9th, 90th), Milan Kerbr (12th), Jiri Barborik 
>34th), Jan Marosi (51th), Robert Fiala (76th), Jiri Vadura (80th)
>Fenerbahce - Aykut (38th)
>Attendance: 10,152
>Sigma win 7-2 on aggregate  
>
>In Prague: 
>Sparta Prague (Czechoslovakia) 1 Werder Bremen (Germany) 0 (1-0)
>Scorer: Horst Siegl (7th)
>Attendance: 35,000
>Sparta win 4-2 on aggregate  

 Both Sparta and Olomouc should now be considered dark horses in their
 respective cups, me_thinks.

 BTW, Bremen, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Liverpool, Leeds, Monaco .... bye bye!!!
 Any English clubs left in the cups?

 - David
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: SOUNESS SHITS ON andy yin meau ANY DAY
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:34:31 RSA

>your sharp and subtle postings always cheer up my day denise
>keep up the good loyal work. thats what true football fanaticism is
>really about.
>
>paddyr@spider.co.uk "we have a centre his name is ferguson
>                     he only scores gaols now and again
>                     and again, and again, and again, and again,
>                     and his name is ferguson" shed boy.
 
Denise has a twin who is a moron, had a bad childhood, and whose IQ is
is below zero. Shame !
From: davidc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (David Corr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:47:46 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1992Nov5.115640.6046@spider.co.uk>, by scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson):
> Played on Wednesday 4th November
> European Cup Second Round Second Leg
> 
> Leeds Utd. 1  Rangers   2
> 
> Cantona 85    Hateley 2
>               McCoist 58
> 
> Rangers win 4-2 on aggregate
> 
> Att. 25,000
> 
> My, what a really intimidating atmosphere Elland Road has, and how does it go
> "we're not in the habit of losing in our own midden", well Rangers
> effectively crowned themselves as British Champions with the gubbing of the
> English Champions in their own midden. Adhering to the plea not to travel,
> nine of my mates had tickets and did, the lads assembled in the rub-a-dub-dub
>  Scotland 
...........Stuff deleted........

I guess Rangers just got the lucky breaks on the night from what i saw!!!
From: ahmadt@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Tariq N Ahmad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Graham Taylor=Cupid Stunt
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:45:41 GMT

Hi there Guys (& Gals):
	What is wrong with Graham Taylor ??? Why does he persist in playing
crap players when he has a 'true football genius' at his disposal ? You may
ask who I'm talking about, and the answer is PETER BEARDSLEY of course.
	If anyone has watched any Everton games in which Beardsley is 
participating they'll notice that every attack involves Beardsley. 
	Fair enough, when Gazza was fit, Taylor used him all the time-but when
some of best players (Barnes,Gazza) are unavailable why the hell doesn't he
use Beardsley ?? I heard about the rumour that Beardsley said he doesn't feel
he needs to prove anything by playing in the B team, but I thought all that
had been sorted out ???? 
	Also with Barnes coming back, Beardsley and Barnes could link up to
revive their old Liverpool partnership. If Taylor doesn't forget his childish
attitudes soon, I feel England could be out of the World Cup.
	So come on Graham, the message is clear : BEARDSLEY FOR ENGLAND !!!!!!!


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From: k.williams@fs4.mbs.ac.uk (Keith Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool 4 Middlesboro 1
Summary: Liverpool beat Middlesboro to move within 10 points of Arsenal
Keywords: Liverpool Victory
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:57:07 GMT
Organization: Manchester Business School

Liverpool beat Middlesboro 4 - 1 this weekend thanks to goals from Ronnie 
Rosenthal 2, Ian Rush 1 and Steve MacManaman.

Perhaps now that Ian Rush has scored his 200th league goal, a record which 
has seemed like a millstone around his neck for the early part of the 
season - he can now show the kind of cool head in front of goal which has 
earned him his reputation.

Ronnie Rosenthal yet again showed Graeme Souness that he is sufficiently 
dangerous to retain the regular place his finishing merits.

With Torben Piechnik taking Mark Wright's place Liverpools defence has a 
greater solidity and pace to it, and the welcome return of John Barnes to '
A' team football - He will probably be available for the first team in two 
to three weeks - bodes well for the rest of the season.

With three points for a win it is still too early to write off Liverpool as 
realistic challengers for the title. Arsenal and Aston Villa are currently 
billed as favourites and justifiably so - but Liverpool and Tottenham 
Hotspur would be my tips for outside bets.

As for relegation - much as I would like to see Everton go down - hopefully 
Wimbledon, Southampton and Crystal Palace will do the honours. Then Tranmere 
and Newcastle can bring their progressive football styles to the Premier 
League.

As for comments about foul and abusive language - not from this source.

Red Card to Kop Haters
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From: mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Hungarian soccer
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

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From: phd87@keele.ac.uk (V.S. Kumaraswamy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SOUNESS SHITS HIMSELF
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:06:17 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

Liverpool 0 (zero,zip,nought,bugger all) Tottenham 2

Wow getting beat by Tottenham must take real skill as a
manager. Well done Graeme. Keep up the good work, you might 
get relageted.

Liverpool 0 (zero,zip,..) Moscow Spartak 2

A spectacular performance, getting well and truly
stuffed at home to a side thats playing at the end 
of their season. Great stuff Graeme

GRAEME SOUNESS IS THE GREATEST 

(failure of this or any other season)
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Oh lord no more film scanning please!!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 10:58:33 -0500 
From: Andy Yin Meau <am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Steve Bull


How's Steve Bull doing lately.  I remember a few years ago he was the
hot shot in England.  As a matter of fact, he even played for England! 
But I haven't heard anything about him for the longest time.  Can
someone please tell me where he is playing and some info about him?  Is
he still with Wolves?

Thanks,
Andy
From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Supercopa 92
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:34:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Nov06.183418.9447
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <92310.205201CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET> <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
>It's been a week and few days more since the last results for the
>Supercopa 92 was posted in this newsgroup. I start to feel anxious,
>Marcello, Luis Alberto, What happen!!!!???!??!?!?!.
>From a big fan of OLIMPIA!!
>
>Antonio.

This was posted by Luiz Alberto previously.

Semifinals of Supercopa (First leg)

Nov. 4th  Place - Parque Antarctica (Sao Paulo)
          Flamengo(Brazil)  3-3  Racing(Argentina)
          Junior 28(1)           Graciani 13(2)
          Rogerio 18(2)          Garcia 16(2)
          Djalminha (P) 50(2)    Matosas (P) 40(2)

Red Card for Rogerio(F) 18(2), Reinoso(R) 18(2), Luiz Antonio(F) 20(2)
and Vallejos(R) 30(2)

Nov. 4th  Place - Defensores del Chaco(Paraguay)
          Olimpia(Paraguay)  0-1  Cruzeiro(Brazil)
                                  Luiz Fernando 32(1)

Bye,

Marcello.

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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Asian Cup Final
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:59:16 GMT

Result of the Asian Cup Final:

Japan	1-0	S Arabia


Third Place match

China    1-1   UAE
China won 4-3 on penalties  (no extra time played!!!)


Final standings:
1	Japan
2	S Arabia
3	China
4	UAE

Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~

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From: levin@src.dec.com (Roy Levin)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:24:44 GMT


I vote YES to create rec.sport.soccer.referee.

Roy Levin
From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Soccer Summary
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:38:24 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <90@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:


>Countries Represented
>---------------------
>Belgium		4	C1+C2+2C3
>Italy			4	C1+C2+2C3
>Holland		4	C1+C2+2C3
>France			3	C1+  +2C3
>Russia			3	C1+  +2C3
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 RUSSIA                 3       C1+C2+ C3

>Spain			3	   C2+2C3
>Checoslovakia		2	   C2+ C3
>Germany		2	     +2C3
>Portugal		2	C1+C2+
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PORTUGAL                2       C1+  + C3

>Greece			1	   C2+
>Romania		1	   C2+
>Scotland		1 	C1+
>Sweden			1	C1+
>Turkey			1	       C3
>--------------------------------------------
>Total			32	8 + 8 + 16

>Three countries still have a possiblity to win all three cups:
>	Belgium, Italy, Holland. 

AND RUSSIA!!!

Michael.

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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Subject: Re: English Fitba' Crisis
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:11:46 GMT

scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
: The so called "best league in the World" can't produce teams that get past
: the second round of European competitions.

	The last time I heard the English League described as the best
in the world was around about the time of the Heysel disaster...who's
claiming that now? Daresay AC Milan would have a word or two to say to
them.... 

:					      Not one of their teams competing
: last night won a game, and they were all at home. Of course Leeds Utd. were
: beaten by the British Champions, who of course come from Scotland. Liverpool,
: well a 2-0 defeat at home does little for Souness and Sheffield Wednesday,
: well they're Gladys anyway so no excuses there. However, this so called
: "Premier League" consists of very average teams, most of which would struggle
: in the Scottish league.

	You live in a dream world. I won't take anything away from
Rangers, who surprised a lot of people in England with how well they
played in the course of this tie, but it is ridiculous to decide that
most of the Premier League would struggle in the Scottish League because
a team that have been Scottish champions for the last N years beat a
team who were English Champions last year and have proceeded to struggle
this season. Rangers-Villa, now there's a tie I'd like to see.

	Congratulations to Rangers,
		Conor

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From:  (Jacopo Andreose)
Subject: Re: Italian League: Serie A and B Results (Nov. 8 Games)
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:37:10 GMT

In article <9211092120.AA23335@garnet.berkeley.edu>,
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu wrote:
> 
> Though Pagliuca made a couple of nice saves (especially on shots
> from Bianchi and Sosa), I was amazed at how infrequently he was
> really tested despite Inter's domination of the game.  In other
> words, with Pancev and Berti on the attack, a worldclass keeper
> was not needed!

> Ken Shadlen
> University of California at Berkeley
> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

I'm not planning to spend much energy in defending Inter striker's
performance, but maybe if Pagliuca weren't a worldclass keeper he wouldn't
have saved his goal from Sosa's penalty kick. Did you miss that?

Hilsen, Jacopo

Jacopo Andreose | jacopo@pons.uio.no | +47-2-851252 | Forza Milan!
Inst of Neurophysiology, University of Oslo, Norway | Forza Venezia!
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 10:15:12 CET
From: Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Appalling performance

I witnessed last night possibly the worst performance by an English
team ever in Europe. Poor old Bill Shankly would be turning in his
grave if he could witness donkeys like Burrows and Marsh playing
for HIS BELOVED. Players like these would surely have never graced
Anfield during the glory years.
Having 3 players sent off in 4 European games and a manager banned
for 5 games since Souness took over is obviously not a coincidence.
He must go now, if he had the balls, he'd resign.
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:05:17 GMT

--
Just remembered that the Dryborough Cup was just a local Scottish competition
wasn't it?

BTW the Texaco Cup also contained teams from Ireland and Northern Ireland.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Aston Villa in the 80's
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:46:36 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <9211111853.AA28627@max.physics.sunysb.edu>, waring@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Martin Waring) writes:
>
>
>   ---------- large blank space..... ----------
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tony Begley ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dept. Of Mat. Sci.                    "What is all this 
> SUNY @ Stony Brook                     tremendous peer pressure
> NY 11780                               to have a snazzy signature"
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


 Oh dear, forgotten something Tony ?

 Aston Villa; the 80's :-

 League Champions & European cup winners 
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
 THE 2 biggest honours a team can win !!!!! - more than
ARSENAL, SPURS, MAN UTD, LEEDS ... etc could manage - hardly
nothing. In fact, only Liverpool & Everton had a more successful
decade in England.
 Anyway, you should know that in soccer the present is more important
than the past. If I was a Leeds fan I wouldn't give a shit about
the 80's, 'cause at the moment THEY are the Champions. And this season
Villa are gonna KICK BUTT.......!

 Learn your facts ASSHOLE before making a prick of yourself !
                  =======      

          Jim

P.S - you're not from the U.S by any chance are you ?!
From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Alex "shit-4-brains" Ferguson
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:19:09 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Nov5.221850.10004@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>Warning.  Contains mindless tribalism from a Liverpool fan :-)

Typical scouse scum sickness more like


>it 67 or 68?  Anyone know the words of West Ham's 'tribute' to the Busby Babe
>about the slippery runway to the tune of 'Blowing Bubbles'?

Jeez, will someone tell this guy that other people's death is not funny? Go and
talk to Hillsborough relatives if you really think it is.