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From: tford@convex.com (Tom Ford)
Subject: Re: Praise and Worship Song Leading
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:50:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <1992Nov4.070030.28904@iti.gov.sg> jameslow@iti.gov.sg (James Low (RC)) writes:

>Since you listen to Integrity, who is your favourite worship leader?  
I guess my favorite worship leader is Kent Henry.  I only say that since I've
been in meetings where he lead.  The Integrity recordings are just not the same
as a real worship service.

>Second is Bob Fitts as he came to Singapore on a few occasions.  The girls
>just simply adore him.  He is a good worship leader.  Saw him in action a
>few times.  Very humble person.
>
>The best selling Integrity album in Singapore is Eternal God by Don Meon
>according to the salesman.  What are some of the top hits on your side?
>It will tell the praise and worship preference for your congregration.
I dont know what the most popular songs or tapes are here.  I once heard that
"The Lord Reigns" with Bob Fitts had sold the most, but that was awhile back.
The "Crown Him" tape may have out sold that one since it was the March for 
Jesus music track. 

>>My current favorites are Kent Henry, Dennis Jernigan, and Robert Gay.
>I know Robert Gay, but don't know the other two. What are their famous songs?
Ooops I forgot my #1 favorite, Graham Kendrick.  Kent Henry has written just
a few songs that I like, one is "As I worship You".  I think that is on the
Integrity tape "My Refuge".  Dennis Jernigan has had only a few songs recorded
on Integrity, but he has written a lot more that he has recorded on his own.
Does anyone else know of Dennis Jernigan.

Here are addresses if you are interested:

Kent Henry Ministries
Psalmist Resources
Psalmist Magazine
9820 East Watson Road
St. Louis, MO  63126-9977
(314)842-6161
Kent Henry is a worship leader and he holds worship conferences around the 
country. His ministry publishes a bi-monthly magazine, Psalmist, that is 
directed at worship leaders.  He has also recorded several live worship
tapes containing some songs that are not recorded elsewhere.

Dennis Jernigan
Shepherd's Heart Music
c/o Northstar, LTD
2904 Parklawn Dr.
Midwest City, OK 73110
800-877-0406 US
405-732-4708 in OK
Shepherd's Heart sell Dennis Jernigan's worship tapes via mail-order.

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486)
Subject: PROPOSAL: Ban Certain Bands from this Pub...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:19:00 GMT

Over the past few days there have been debates on the validity of listening
to "real" world (secular) music vs. christian music. Some have said
there should be quotas or ratios to how much christian music we must
listen to compared to secular music. Well quotas and ratios are silly,
that's like saying a little swearing, or using the Lord's Name in vain is
o.k., or that a little pornography is o.k.. Like someone said on here
to be truly christian one must immerse themselves in christianity, so
therefore we should all choose to avoid secular music all together.
  In that case I propose the banning of the following bands on here (after
all you'll never hear them on the local christian stations).
Below is a list with some chrages brought against them....note that these
bands "confess" to not playing "christian music".
      1) Galactic Cowboys - not once to they mention Jesus or God in their
			 songs, as a matter of fact, their lyrics have such
		        "worlfly" topics as cult killings in Mexico; sapce
			travel; the moon; oil spills; working in a meat
			packing plant; and high school...

      2) Extreme - well for one thing the sure do swear alot; the musical
		style is definately self indulgent (guitar-wise); definately
		rebellious lyrics (which was concluded on here as being bad);
		lyrics about sex; being president; dancing; sex; politics; sex;
			etc...

     3) King's X - their crimes include a public self-profeesion of not
                   playing "christian music"; and lyrics speaking out
		   against various groups of christians; lyrics containing
		  such topics as being in another country; lawsuits; astronomy;
		  lunatics;        		   
	       	not to mention their videos conataining topics like
 		   dreams, oil spills, beaches, schools, a city, 


I guess I've been wrong the whole time, and probably because as many believe,
I'm not "Christian" I'm Catholic. So lets go all the way and make this board
purely "Christian" music.

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From: bruceb@fatcity.cts.com (Bruce A. Bergman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: HELP with worship songs
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:18:03 GMT
Organization: Fat City Software, San Diego, California

x551_005@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:

> > work.  I know Sandi Patti has a high voice, are there any other
> > similar singers that don't sing in the basement??

Yes, two come to mind: Stormie Omartian (for that matter, her husband,
the more "known" singer Michael, isn't all that low himself) and
Anne Herring.  What about Kathy Triccoli?  Or Mariah Carey?

Enjoi,

bruce

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From: rburlin@owlnet.rice.edu (Rusty Burlingame)
Subject: Re: Chasing kangaroos
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Keywords: The Choir
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:50:47 GMT

ddevries@wpi.WPI.EDU (Daniel J. de Vries) writes:

|>   Does anyone have any clues about what "Chase the Kangaroo" means
|>   (from the Choir album with the same name)?  One of my brothers

Yay!!  I know this one...  Back when this this album came out, WORD sent
an interview/music tape called "The Choir Rock Radio Special," I think.
Anyway, it explained where they got some of their stranger songs - Kangaroo,
Rifleman, Consider, and a couple others.  The Radio station didn't keep
tapes, so I did. :)  It's been awhile since I listened to it, but this is
the idea:

 Steve saw a Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs dug to China.  Steve noticed on
a globe that Australia would be more accurate from where he was at the time.
There was not much money (they weren't doing much producing then, if any),
so to feed his wife, and I think one kid, he was digging ditches.  Mostly
the idea is to be content with what God is having you do, and to really go
for it - ie if you're gonna dig ditches, dig to Australia.  I guess while
you're there, chase a kangaroo.  It really fits with the Choir.

 I was sad to hear Chuck Connors (The Rifleman) died of lung cancer
yesterday.  I like that song a lot.  

 Any news on the Choir's next album?

Rusty
rburlin@owlnet.rice.edu
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:12:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov13.161245.10891
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov12.210829.1490@samba.oit.unc.edu> Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:
>	People, people! Let's calm down a little here. Accusing each
>other of blasphemy and slander is hardly being "peacemakers", is it?
>Jesus prayed for us, saying that the way the world would know that He
>was sent by God is if we were one. Brothers should not sling accusations
>like this. The Devil accuses us; why should we do his work for him?

Quite right.  And I apologize specifically to Doug Speheger and to the
newsgroup in general for my intemperate remarks yesterday.  

But can I respectfully request that terms such as "blasphemy" and
"mockery" be used very judiciously if they have to be used at all?
As one who has been the recipient of such terms this week, both
in this newsgroup and in email, I can attest to their power both to 
wound and to infuriate.  These are very serious charges, and I would
suggest that anyone who uses them should be *very* sure of both
the appropriateness of the charge and of the character of the one
being charged.  Failure to do so results in slander, misrepresentation,
and personal attack - things that I have no trouble calling sin.

And I plead equally guilty.  I know and understand (at least in theory)
the Scriptural principles of turning the other cheek, praying for
those who persecute you, and allowing oneself to be wronged rather
than retaliating.  And I did a terrible job of exhibiting those
principles yesterday.  It's hard.  And there's still no excuse for
it.  I apologize to everyone involved, and I ask your forgiveness.

>	--Denes House (dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu)
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: pray for rain...
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:03:13 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <1dujjuINNqsm@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>that good.  you ought to like it no matter your tastes.  (unless, of course,
>you're into thrash or classical...in which case it'll be way too mellow or way
>too harsh, respectively...)
>

and what if i am into both thrash and classical???????????
;> :> :->

i'll have to try some...

>clueless chuck
>pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
>"do you think this is a bogus idea?"

later,
phil
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From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Re: Praise and Worship Song Leading
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:13:07 GMT
Reply-To: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands

In <1992Oct29.000259.12947@wam.umd.edu> alpo@wam.umd.edu (Doug Johnston) writes:

>Favorite Praise and Worship songs?  Where do I start? 
>   Shine Jesus Shine

Here in the Netherlands, the "Evangelical Broadcasting" uses this tune as
intro for most of their broadcasts. It is also popular in our church.
-- 
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mchen@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Mike J. Chen)
Subject: Re: Praise and Worship Song Leading
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:26:15 GMT

Thanks for all the responses about transposing music down for those
with lower vocal ranges.  I think I just need to learn some music
theory.  Any recommendations on good self-teaching guitar books?

-=Mike
From: gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Joshua.  Anyone?  Anyone?
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:26:08 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

It's like this:  I got the Crystavox II album "The Bottom Line" this summer,
when it suddenly hit me that they are on a different label.  I looked and found
another band on the label.  Joshua!  Isn't that Tamplin's old band?  Anyone
heard it?  Does anyone know it exists?  
                                        Thanks

                                        Neal (gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu)

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From: bourland@roentgen.radonc (Dan Bourland)
Subject: Re: Catholic music
Reply-To: bourland@roentgen.radonc
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:35:52 GMT

In article 721451033@sfu.ca, dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills) writes:
>Hi.  I recently went to a catholic church, and I really enjoyed 
>the music.  There was a guitarist, and some really cool sounding
>instrument -- it sounded like some sort of flute or panflute.
>And the singing that went with it was simple choruses, and very
>beautiful.
>
>My question is whether there is any music like that available on
>tape or CD. 
>
>I do know about John Michael Talbot, and have his "The Quiet side"
>(kinda a compilation/best of) tapes, and really enjoy them.  What 
>are his best albums?  Is there anyone else that puts out this style
>of music?
>
>Thanks,
>
>DMH 
> 
>

It was most likely music from "The St. Louis Jesuits", a loosely
formed group of Jesuits from (!) St. Louis.  They have a number
of books out and the tapes are available (don't know about CDs,
the music is from the 70's and early 80's).  The songs are very
well done and theologically have some depth.  We have used them
in the protestant setting for many, many, years.  Check out your
local Christian book store.  Each book has about 8 - 10 songs and
has harmony parts written, tips on guitar playing, and some
background on each song. If I remember some of the authors' names,
they include Bob Dufford and Tim Foley.

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From: richard@metz.une.edu.au (Richard Mackerras)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Song databases and music publishing on computers
Keywords: song lyrics and music
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:40:05 GMT

I am looking for Christian music, especially for use in church, from the
network. A database of lyrics, one was mentioned recently but was from
just one publisher.  

Does anyone have:

A)  A computer file of lyrics of older hymns that are now in the public
domain.  Lyrics preferably with composers details and so on.

B)  The music typeset though some music publishing program for songs
that are public domain. Postscript files would be fine. What software
is best for type setting music?

C)  Either of the above for more recent music that is copyright
with some sort of licence agreement from the copyright owner for the
use of the music. Has anyone written music they would like to share.

D)  A database or index of songs and hymns, composers and authors,
for hymns alternative tunes that work well (not just the same meter), 
and where the songs have been published.

I'm not asking for much, just the world. I lead the singing at church
on Sunday mornings and I organise the musicians. I am looking for any 
computer tools that may make life a little easier. 

A database of song lyrics has been mentioned recently in this newsgroup,
I haven't seen it here. What are its details such as name, publisher,
price and so on. What style of music is it?

Thank you for your help.

+++++++
Richard Mackerras, MIS Project (Information Technology Services)
The University of New England, ARMIDALE  2351  AUSTRALIA
ph: +61 67 73 3464  fax: +61 67 73 ????  Internet: richard@metz.une.edu.au
From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:46:45 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <9NOV199212065946@zeus.tamu.edu>, tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
> 
> While on industrial,
> I've got the single-release by Under Midnight. Sounds pretty good.
> Haven't seen or heard the actual album yet.

I agree, it does sound great. But, is it just me, or does Cybernetic Apocolypso
sound like about 10 different songs? It hits a cool groove, then all of a 
sudden, its in a totally different cool groove! And, by the way, I did see
the actual album in the bookstore Saturday. Couldn't listen to much of it,
though, before I had to salir. Methinks 'twillbe good!
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rachel,Rachel
From: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Jason Schmidt)
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:41:35 -0600
Reply-To: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Nov11.004034.13566@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:
>This is my first posting to the net (outside of laUNChpad.general). 
>I wanted to know if anyone knows why Rachel Rachel covered Kansas'
>"Carry on wayward son" on their Way to my heart album. Don't get me 
>wrong, They sound like they were born to sing that song, but I can't
>decipher any positive message behind the song that they might want to
>convey. Can anyone help me? The only message I can find (and I've 
>looked hard) is supporting rebellion. I love the song, but is it 
>Christian?
>

To answer your question is it christian the answer from Kerry Livgren's
lips or should I say hands is no he was still searching for answer. 
He wrote it when he discovered there was an answer, but still did not
know what the answer was.  But RR does make the it a christian song by
 Using the pronouns He and His (Notice the caps) instead of the and their
in the line "I hear the voices calling."

He wrote Carry when he discovered there was an answer but he still
From: ddevries@wpi.WPI.EDU (Daniel J. de Vries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Chasing kangaroos
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:56:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Summary: I think I understand.
Keywords: The Choir


 In article <1dpidlINN6gb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> I asked for ideas regarding
 the meaning of The Choir's song "Chase the Kangaroo."  Several of you
 have provided helpful information.  Two items that seem to be keys are
 the reference to Bugs Bunny and the idea of perseverance.  On a number
 of occasions, Sylvester has chased a kangaroo.  As you may recall, his
 son encourages him to catch a mouse, and Sylvester repeatedly (and
 unsuccessfully) engages in skirmishes with a "giant mouse" -- a kangaroo.
 Wow!  A little recall of some classic cartoons seems to help!  Thanks.
 ______________________________________________________________________
  Daniel J. de Vries              |  "The world is a great nursey and
  Biomedical Engineering Dept.    |  men are children trying to spell
  Worcester Polytechnic Institute |  'God' with the wrong blocks."
  Worcester, MA                   |          -- John Foxe
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From: wblee@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Wen-Po Bobby Lee)
Subject: Re: Steven Curtis Chapman in Irvine
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.005455.12181@spectra.com> tang@spectra.com (Melissa Tang) writes:
>I went to Steven Curtis Chapman's concert in Irvine on Saturday.
>Out of Grey and Susan Ashton were the opening acts.  Both did very
>short sets.  Out of Grey sang about four songs and Susan Ashton
>sang about six.  They were ok.
>

I'm going to the concert in San Jose and I want to know if I can take my
camera with me.  A friend of mine who went to the Irvine concert said she saw
a lot of people with cameras.  Does anyone know?

FYI:  I hear that SCC will be at Berean Christian Book Store on Sat., Nov. 14
      That's all I know, so call them for details.
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Where are they now?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:49:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.BxKC65.Jsv
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Commander Keen (mwalls@nmsu.edu) wrote:
: Vector (to my knowledge) is no more.  However, 2 members of the group
: I can give you info on.
: 
: Jimmy A. & Charlie Peacock.  I know that Jimmy A. was with Vector, and
: I'm almost certain that Charlie Peacock was with them too.  I saw &
: met Jimmy A after a Rich Mullins concert in El Paso, TX, where he
: played with avenue G, Jeff Sack & Rich Mullins.  His music has a style
: VERY similar to Vector's.

I saw the same tour (I was the only one who clapped when they introduced
Jimmy as being a former member of Vector).  I actually thought his set
was kind of weak - the rest of the band just wasn't into/up to his stuff,
and it didn't come across very well.  I love Entertaining Angels, but
the Rich Mullins tour wasn't the right vehicle for it (but having him
open for Charlie Peacock, that would work).

: 
: As for Charlie Peacock, everyone knows about him.
: 
: Craig
: mwalls@NMSU.Edu
: miwalls@NMSU.Edu

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
From: ddevries@wpi.WPI.EDU (Daniel J. de Vries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Chasing kangaroos
Keywords: The Choir
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:59:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


  Does anyone have any clues about what "Chase the Kangaroo" means
  (from the Choir album with the same name)?  One of my brothers
  told me that he thought he understood the song once, but has since
  forgotten what he thought the message was.  I like the sound and many
  of the songs on the album; but I am curious as to why one should chase
  kangaroos, or live in Sydney for the remainder of one's life, etc.
 ______________________________________________________________________
  Daniel J. de Vries              |  "The world is a great nursey and
  Biomedical Engineering Dept.    |  men are children trying to spell
  Worcester Polytechnic Institute |  'God' with the wrong blocks."
  Worcester, MA                   |          -- John Foxe
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: smith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Roy Smith jr)
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Where are they now?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.235342.29197@nmsu.edu> mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen) writes:
->Vector (to my knowledge) is no more.  However, 2 members of the group
->I can give you info on.

	i was just over at True Tunes in Wheaton this past weekend and i
happened to but Mannequin Virtue/Please Stand By on cd -- a 20 track disc
for $14.  pretty nice.  at true tunes, they had a stack of vector's new
(latest?) cd that was a foot and a half tall.  there was also a concert
t-shirt hanging on the wall.  i'm sorry i don't remember the name of the
album but i think it was released within the past year (1992 release if my
memory serves me correct).
	so, something tells me that Vector might still be but i am not
completely sure.  maybe someone else can clarify...

->Craig
-jim
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