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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:53:36 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <bvvzmh.1l1@wang.com> fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>> Which is what I sent; which is what 99% of the people who responded sent.

>Good for you.  But you're wrong about the second part - the guy from
>Gwinnett mentioned getting copies of the man page for mail, and several
>people on this list have explicitly suggested mailing copies of
>terminfo.src.  Talk about a waste of resources....

How do we know he's wrong about the second part?  All we know is that
the guy from Gwinnett saw copies of the man page for mail.  Not
how many, nor, indeed, how many individual messages in total.

We have no idea what the percentage of that big mailbox was mail bombing.
And it would be useful to know if people are going to rant and rave
about waste of bandwidth.
-- 
Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Subject: Re: When should one use MX records?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:11:45 GMT

In <BvtKy7.4qr@rahul.net> dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
>c: Several MX records are often assumed to be more reliable for mail.
>   However, it's not clear to me that they buy you much.  Presumably if
>   foo.company.uk is down, mail will remain queued for it at one of the
>   MX hosts.  It might as well just remain queued at the sending host.

Multiple MX records have several advantages.
 
   1) Better use of network bandwidth because you don't get
      machines all over the Internet making repeated attempts to deliver
      mail to a dead machine.

   2) Faster delivery of backlogged mail once the dead machine is 
      back in operation since the mail is queued locally and can be
      delivered at ethernet speeds.
-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"Why can't we just forget about our constitutional problems and go canoeing?"
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: fin@unet.umn.edu (Craig A. Finseth)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: University of Minnesota, Networking Services.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:45:52 GMT

In article <Bvz690.2L3@portal.hq.videocart.com>, kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
|> In article <p9jprrr@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
|> >wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:
	...
|> >I believe the responsibility for filtering "illegal" traffic lies with those 
|> >who declare it illegal.  I realize that network users who have to live with 
|> >some kind of AUP are responsible for meeting those obligations and not the 
|> >rest of the net.  I believe that pretty much anything not illegal is 
	...
|> >The above is the view of the net my paying customers receive.  You or someone
|> >else might not like it and may disagree with it but you can't do anything
|> >about it.  That's just the way the net is.
|> 
|> Well, I believe I find myself agreeing with John here...
|> 
|> The network we're connected to here at work (Alternet) SPECIFICALLY permits
|> commercial conduct.  Moreover, they give you pretty free reign with the pipe
	...
|> This is NOT how some providers work.  Not all of them have a R&E AUP - some
|> have an even MORE restrictive AUP than the NSF -- even some who are 
|> commercial.  Some providers explicitly forbid third-party traffic, as an 
|> example.
|> 
|> However, if a network wishes to filter traffic based on some AUP, it is
|> THEIR responsibility to do so.  NOT the originator -- as long as the point
|> of origin and the network they connect to says their conduct is "ok".
|> Therefore, since I am in the US, in Illinois, the material I post to the net

Two points to consider:

1) When an organization connects to NSFNET, it agrees to be
responsible for refraining from sending non-acceptable traffic to
NSFNET.  It is up to this orgranization to determine how to fulfull
this obligation.  If the organization is a common carrier or other
commerical organization, one way of fulfilling this obligation would
be to educate all of its customers about the restriction.

Not that this is a contractual agreement (although presumably a
non-negotiable one (:-)) in which the organization agrees to use the
NSF's definition of what is not allowed.  Commercial organizations
should fully understand the importance of living up to contracts.

2) In general, it is not possible to examine a particular piece of
traffic and determine >from it alone< whether it meets AUP needs.  You
must understand who sent it, who received it, and what it is for.
This is why NSF has chosen (well, been forced to) to require the
orginiator to take responsibility.

Craig A. Finseth			fin@unet.umn.edu [CAF13]
Networking Services			+1 612 624 3375 desk
Computer and Information Services	+1 612 625 0006 problems
University of Minnesota			+1 612 626 1002 fax
130 Lind Hall, 207 Church St SE
Minneapolis MN 55455-0134, USA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk ("Russell E. Whitaker")
Subject: Question about unsolicited Internet Email. 
Distribution: world
Organization: Extropy Institute
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:07:14 +0000


c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com writes:

>In my 10 years on the net, few abusers are relative newcomers. B1FF, 
>Mutlu/Argic/Co., the Abacus guy, etc look seasoned to me. Anyone remember
>the 'what time is it?' flame wars in the mid-80's?
>

This sounds like an interesting bit of history; please elaborate.

Thanks,

Russell Earl Whitaker                   whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk
Communications Editor                       71750.2413@compuserve.com
EXTROPY: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought         AMiX: RWHITAKER
Board member, Extropy Institute (ExI)
[.sig revised 1 October 1992    ///    Send mail to eternity node]
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From: huwets@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Tobiah S Huwe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Trying to beat a lockout
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:21:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1b1u80INN1cg
Reply-To: huwets@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Tobiah S Huwe)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-30.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I don't know if anyone can help me.  I have a friend at Allegheny College  
and she has access to NeXT's, the same computer I use.  Now, I can email  
her, but when I try to telnet(I'm not quit that's the word I want to use)  
her, my connection is refused.  Anyway to get around that????
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: khush@csskwh (Ken Hush)
Subject: Re: Internet to GEnie
Reply-To: khush@mot.com
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: comp.mail.misc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.164646.14310@newshost.unh.edu> rgt@kepler.unh.edu  
(Richard G Tomasso) writes:
> I'm not positive this is the correct group for this, but I just found  
out
> GEnie has finally installed an internet gateway, but I can't find out  
how
> to mail someone on GEnie. If anyone has any info, please e-mail me.
> thanks.

Mail to user@genie.geis.com

--
Ken Hush                                                                            
Computer Services, Applications Engineering              
Corporate Information Office  
Motorola                                       
1299, East Algonquin Road,                                                                      
Schaumburg, IL 60196                                                 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: galosirs@fe515.cc.purdue.edu (Rob)
Subject: Mail Unix-VMS revisited
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:24:40 GMT

Hello again. I screwed up my last posting so some couldn't read it.
(Thank you wb8foz@cwru.edu; Oh by the way I my self am from Cleveland,
actually Euclid and very nearly went to CWRU for school.). 
Anyway, for those who couldn't read my last article, I'll start again.  
I've been trying to send mail to a friend at Kenyon College in Gambier
Ohio using the address sarpolisk@vax001.kenyon.edu. When I send a test 
message I also ask the host here to verify the address and it says address 
OK, message being processed. Unfortunately, after three days I get the mail 
returned to me as follows:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON@feserve.cc.purdue.edu
Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON@feserve.cc.purdue.edu>
Received: from feserve.cc.purdue.edu by fe540.cc.purdue.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1)
	id AA15702; Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:22:57 EST
Received: by feserve.cc.purdue.edu (4.1/Purdue_CC)
	id AB00912; Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:22:56 EST
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:22:56 EST
From: MAILER-DAEMON@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
Message-Id: <9209252322.AB00912@feserve.cc.purdue.edu>
To: <galosirs@fe540.cc.purdue.edu>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
421 vax001.kenyon.edu: Connection refused by vax001.kenyon.edu

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
Received: from fe540.cc.purdue.edu by feserve.cc.purdue.edu (4.1/Purdue_CC)
	id AA01958; Tue, 22 Sep 92 17:42:18 EST
Received: from localhost by fe540.cc.purdue.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1)
	id AA16694; Tue, 22 Sep 92 17:42:16 EST
Message-Id: <9209222242.AA16694@fe540.cc.purdue.edu>
To: sarpolisk@vax001.kenyon.edu
Subject: A test
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 17:42:01 -0500
From: galosirs@fe540.cc.purdue.edu

This is a test.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
I was wondering if this problem is arising because they use a VMS system
or if I'm doing something wrong.

Thank You 

post reply in news or reply to galosirs@feserve.cc.purdue.edu

Thanks again to sandee@think.com, wb8foz@cwru.edu, rsingh@stanford.edu,
ekman@netcom.com
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: When should one use MX records?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:25:46 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <BvtKy7.4qr@rahul.net> dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
>b: You may have trouble having a CNAME record that makes company.uk an
>   alias for foo.company.uk.  I don't think the name server software
>   (at least under SunOS) allows this.  However, you can have an
>   additional A record that gives company.uk the same IP address as
>   foo.company.uk.  If you order the A records appropriately, the
>   primary name can be foo.company.uk, but mail will still get
>   correctly delivered when addressed to company.uk.

This is also the case for HPUX.  A CNAME to create company.uk would hang the
resolver software.  I had to take the approach of creating an A record as
described above.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:34:29 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <bvsahl.e4a@wang.com> fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>> As it should be. Any retaliation should achieve several goals:
>>
>> a. make sure the incident (mistake :-)) does not happen again from the 
>>    original site
>
>A simple 1-line note will take care of that.

Which is what I sent; which is what 99% of the people who responded sent.

>> b. make sure that others are discouraged again from trying the same
>>    thing

Usenet has a way with abusers. Most, after seing their name trashed for 
a while, don't repeat it; many others don't start. Some will continue.

>Nothing will do this.  The problem will only ever be repeated by new-
>comers who have never heard of any prior incidents.  You can't discourage
>the people who haven't joined the net yet.

In my 10 years on the net, few abusers are relative newcomers. B1FF, 
Mutlu/Argic/Co., the Abacus guy, etc look seasoned to me. Anyone remember
the 'what time is it?' flame wars in the mid-80's?

>Finally, any approach that uses the word "retaliation" is very misguided.

Aw, c'me on, I was just kidding. If our own president can use football
language during a war, I can use war language on Usenet (great logic :-)).

>For god's sake, people, be a little more mellow.

Soc.culture.* hasn't been mellow for years...

-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Subject: Internet to GEnie
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:46:46 GMT

I'm not positive this is the correct group for this, but I just found out
GEnie has finally installed an internet gateway, but I can't find out how
to mail someone on GEnie. If anyone has any info, please e-mail me.
thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: etheredg@iugate.ucs.indiana.edu ()
Subject: Looking for WATCHMAIL prg.
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:25:20 GMT

Hello,

	I am looking for a VAX mail program that will do features like:
Auto Respond to NewMail
Sort Mail (Local vs Non-Local Mail)

I believe there is a program called WATCH_MAIL for VAX.
If I am incorrect about this: or if there are other programs out
there that can do this function, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: More unsolicited advertising e-mail.
Date: 12 Oct 1992 01:15:26 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I got a copy, and there seem to be a bunch of people on the one-time
mailing list set up to send out the advertisement who are busy being
confused about how to get off the mailing list.

beta.lanl.gov is a site on ESnet, the Department of Energy "Energy
Sciences" network funded by the US Gov't.  Of all networks, ESnet has some
of the most restrictive policies, essentially limiting the use of their
net to only activities critical to the agencies involved, and explicitly
*not* a public infrastructure role a la NSFnet.  They tend to be pretty
finicky about it, to the point of being antsy when commercial sites hook
up to the internet, and absolutely paranoid about certain European nets
getting connected.

(sigh)

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562

: > Date:   Sun, 11 Oct 1992 08:23:36 -0400
: > From:   rsilver@beta.lanl.gov (Roland Silver)
: > Message-Id: <9210111223.AA02014@beta.lanl.gov>
: > To:     rsml1@beta.lanl.gov
: > Subject: fractal newsletter
: >
: > I publish a newsletter about fractals called Amygdala (29 issues so 
: > far) which you may be interested in.
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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:40:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: exnet.BvqCrx.An2
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <41fp=s-@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>
>>I've already taken adequate measures to stop physical junk mail. There are
>>also sufficient regulations to stop me receiving junk e-mail from within the
>>UK. The problem comes with international cowboys.
>
>>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...
>
>I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
>plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.  Most other users can simply
>hit the "d" key or whatever their mailer uses to delete a message.

John,

*Some* of us know we don't have to choose to be offended.  Yes, even
some of us backward Brits without a 1st Amendment!  B^>  (Actually,
none of us Brits have a 1A unless we may refer to the cutting of the
umbilical that way.  B^>  B^>)

Damon
-- 
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Internet: dhd@exnet.co.uk | Also: Damon@ed.ac.uk || US high-perf motor groups.
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From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 11:59:14 +0100
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Keywords: question legal use email

In article <6488@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil> rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes:
>crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon..
>I suppose it is too much to hope for that they would take the U.K off INTERNET
>so that people like Clive would no longer get their little feelings hurt
>by an incident like this.

So I should do without becuase someone else isn't happy about something?
I suppose I shouldn't expect anything better from someone who sets
followups to misc.test.  How does that compare for a waste of resources?

Jeers,
-- 
\/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17                   No-one is to molest
vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk  ...!mcsun!uknet!warwick!vato           the wombat when
/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/            anyone is
@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: James.Gorak <James.Gorak@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Figuring out this odd address.
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:04:58 GMT

In <1992Oct15.042356.8513@u.washington.edu> miser@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Fulwell) writes:

>I recently received this address to reach my brother overseas (Britain), but
>I'm having trouble deciphering it.  I'd like to know if it will work, and if
>not, how I can make it work.

> MHS!KCC/S=TIM/O=SERVER@ATTMAIL.COM.
>              ^I'm not sure if this is a zero or an 'oh'.

Yes, I think it will work as is.  O= is the X.400 label for "Organization"
It is an upper case letter O, not a 0 (zero) 
-- 
James.Gorak@mixcom.com
From: cstila@uta.fi (Timo Laitinen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Missing friend - please HELP!
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:30:21 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

Please help me that I can find me friend's e-mail address.
He studies at the university of Ulm (Germany).
His name is Marko Laine. I appriciate if you could send his
e-mail address or the address of the 'machine'.

Thank You, Timo

e-mail address:cstila@kielo.uta.fi

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: When should one use MX records?
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:50:34 GMT

heading@breeze.rsre.mod.uk (Anthony J.R. Heading) writes:

> If I want to receive Internet mail, I might attach a machine
> foo.company.uk to the network, and have this as my mail address

> Should I:
>    a) call the machine company.uk instead

You can do this... until you want to set up a second mailserver and share
the load between them, or replace it completely without changing its name.
Then you've got a problem.  Admittedly, the big advantage of this scheme is
that people can finger e-mail addresses and they work.  'talk', too.

>    b) have company.uk as an alias for foo.company.uk

If you mean a CNAME, then return addresses get messed up.  CNAMEs are never
supposed to appear in e-mail addresses, so your mailer will rewrite
user@company.uk to user@foo.company.uk in outgoing mail.

>    c) register company.uk as a name with MX records
>         pointing to foo, then foo-backup, foo-reserve etc

That's what we do here.  It works fine.  I've heard rumors that some
broken mailers only attempt the first MX record in a list, and then give
up, but I've never actually seen this happen.

This scheme loses a little in administration overhead (more nameserver
records), and a little more in that "finger user@company.uk" won't work.  I
really wish it was possible to have FX records.....

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jbk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jamal Bassam Kaddoura)
Subject: Mail from Internet to Bitnet
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:26:59 GMT


  I need some help on how to send mail from an internet account to a
bitnet account.

  I am trying to reach a friend at the internet host: umcnx1.missouri.edu
at the University of Missouri in Columbia but for some reason I am unable
to reach this host. I know that the address is valid.  

Also I know another host on Bitnet:  MIZZOU1 but I don't know how to send
mail from an internet account to a bitnet account. Another question is how
to find a person's login? if I know their name because you can't use 
finger on bitnet.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.

Jamal.
jbk1@cec1.wustl.edu

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