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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Ratings Game - Week 15
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92349.212712RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes...
>In article <92349.150530RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
>says:
>>Possibilities :
>>AFC
>>   Buffalo clinches home field advantage with win, loss by Steelers,
>>   Kansas City and Dever this week.
>                    -----
>** Rob **

Actually Buffalo won't win HFA with this scenario. If the above happens along
with Buffalo losing their last game of the season and Miami winning their last
two then the Dolphins receive HFA.
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sunday observations...
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:13:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Dec14.002719.3780@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>
>*  Did Klingler even complete a pass?  Everytime I switched to the game he
>was overthrowing someone.

You must not have switched very often.  He had a few overthrows,
but also had several nice passes, including an 85 yard TD pass
which was perfectly thrown.  Other good throws were
promptly dropped by the Bengals pitiful receiving
core (or sometimes they just tip them up to be intercepted).

--dave
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: How are Playoff schedules figured?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:33:00 GMT

In article <BzB58u.28u@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(The World Reknow writes...
>kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick) writes:
>>Is this how it is?
>>		      Second Division Winner  \ ___________________ \
>>Best Wildcard      \  _____________________>  /                      \
>>Worst Div Winner   /                                                  /  Super
>>		       Best Division Winner  \  ___________________  /   Bowl
>>Second Wildcard    \ _____________________>  /
>>Third Wildcard     /
> 
>This is pretty close.  If I'm not mistaken though, two teams from the same 
>division cannot play in the second round unless there are 3 teams from the 
>same division in the second round(which is possible this year).  I think
>this is right.  Anyone else want to give this a try?
> 
The thing above is not accurate at all. Instead, for the opening matches it is 
this way:

(1) Worst Wildcard (WC3) plays at Worst Division Winner (DW3)
(2) Second Wildcard (WC2) plays at First Wildcard (WC1)

The best division winner (DW1) and second division winner (DW2) have byes for 
the first week.

Now the second week's games are determined by the winner of game (1) no matter 
what division that winner or the other is in. Hence, it is possible for teams 
from the same division in the second week as occured in 1990 when Miami played 
a second week game at Buffalo.

If DW3 wins, then this occurs:

(3) DW3 plays at DW2
(4) Game (2) winner plays at DW1

However, if WC3 wins, then this occurs:

(3') Game (2) winner plays at DW2
(4') WC3 plays at DW1

Hence, DW1 plays the worst wildcard to survive to the second week. I hope this 
clears up any possible misconception about the playoffs.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: mece1uh@Rosie.UH.EDU (Shashi Menon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos/playoff chances/help?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:21:22 GMT
Reply-To: mece1uh@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <Dec.14.16.12.20.1992.14992@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>
>Questino for you all.
>
>I'm a broncos fan.  play along with my scenario for a minute....
>
>buffalo and miami, pittsburgh, and san diego all win divisions; one
> of the first two doesn't, but makes the playoffs as a wild card, 
>leaving two spots open.
>
>denver wins the last 2 games, against seattle and k.c.  
>
>now, what are denver's chances?  as in, what i do want to hope for?
> if k.c. loses to the giants, and houston wins their last two, then
> i want no one else to tie with k.c. and the broncos, since denver
> would win the tiebreaker.  does anyone know what other situations
> i want?
>
>all assumptions are based on denver winning their last 2.  thanks -
>bob gaj

Why explore scenarios which are impossibilities based on impossible
assumptions - like the Broncos beating KC even with Elway or like
Houston winning their next two games.
relax and enjoy the remaining season and hope that the Broncos do
better the next time around.

Shashi
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:53:25 GMT
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

I for one like John's write-ups of the play by play action during the 9er 
games.  You can tell he loves the team and gets very excited when the D sacks
the QB or when Rice gets a TD on a 5 yard slant that he turns into an 80 yd
sprint.

John is not nearly as obnoxious as some woofers I could mention (for 
example - Tegger last year).  As a Raider fan in the bay area I have not 
had a lot to cheer about this year.  If someone other than the silver
and black are going to win then it may as well be the red and gold.
The rest of you are simply jealous of the dynasty the 9ers have built
since the early 80s.

And as for those of you who are out to bait 9er fans with idiotic statements
about the team and its players - piss off.

Don Boell
"Just win baby"
From: jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:53:37 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I know that a lot of you people think I am some new asshole who is posting just
because the packers have one 5 games in a row.  Well, this is untrue.  I only
posted because I can actually feel the desperation in the postings of Vikings
fans and think it is truly funny.  I figured I would rip on their team and
hopefully get a few MUDDUCKS pissed at me.  I don't care.  I live only 75 miles
away from Minnesota (Land of 10000 puddles) and have had to listen to all the
MUDDUCKS tell me how great the Vikings were after the overtime 23-20 victory in
week one.  Well now we're possibly looking at a much bigger game in week 17. 
Look out MUDDUCKS, we're gonna get ya!!!

HERE'S TO THE 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION GREEN BAY PACKERS.

p.s. All you MUDDUCKS who say it was a long time since the Pack won one of
those world championships, I have but one thing to say:
0-4 in the Super Bowl...Nuff Said
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Harbaugh to give up salary
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:49:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1g7r2dINN3nh@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>
andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:

> Bears QB Jim Harbaugh has stated that he will give his paycheck to
> charity until the Bears win another game.  That has got to be 50-75K
> per week.   Ouch

This is very magnanimous of Jim, but will Ditka give Harbaugh the
chance to control the destiny of his own money or will Pete Tom Billy
Bob get to Jim's paymaster for the rest of the season?  QB controversy
with a new twist...;-)
 
Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: fastest TD drive?
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:28:38 GMT

<1g6biiINNo10@agate.berkeley.edu> rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) said:
>In article <27000168@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
> >Four plays come to mind that could be candidates for fastest TD drive - 
> >
> >Eagles - Jaworski (sp?) throws a 99 yd TD pass to someone (forget who)
> >Raiders - Bo's run against the Seahawks in Seattle
> >49ers - Montana to Taylor twice against the Rams (both > 90 yd TDs)
>
> I believe the Niners longest pass play is 97 yards (?), Steve Young
> to John Taylor last year against the Falcons in the infamous Hail
> Mary game. 

Ah yes, but if you are looking for the fastest and the longest TD drive
then I think you have to look at Bob Hayes 89 yard TD from Morton in
the early 70s.  I have no doubt that Bullet Hayes in his prime (which
he was) covered 89 yards faster than Taylor or Jackson could hope for.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Picks from HI
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.202939.9657@news.Hawaii.Edu> ibsnat@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gordon Tsuji) writes:

[ ..stuff deleted.. ]

>The predictions made by my program are based strictly on the statistics of
>a team, not who they beat, etc...and I just post them for any who may be
>interested.

[ ... ]

>Rank Name          TO  /Sacks   Rush yds   Pass yds    SE     Completion
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>23.  Packers        0  39/ 31    101.9      206.4     5.58    9.54(25)
>     Opponents                   109.6      198.6     5.93   11.93(24)
> 
>Although, they have won their last 5 games, statistically, they have not
>been impressive.  They still have given up more points (256) then they have
>scored (241), been sacked more than they sack opps., and they seem to give
>up the big play more than they make them.

Don't you think that number of wins to losses is a significant stat?  Your
rankings rank the Lions at something like 14!  Their record is 4-10!  It seems
to me that an 8-6 team, regardless of their particular stats, is a better team
than a team that is 4-10.  If a team does what it takes to win, who care that
the rest of their stats aren't impressive.  Shouldn't that count as something?

Last week the Pack played the Oilers.  The Oilers lost that game.  They had 4
turnovers to the Packers 1.  But despite that fact, they were still in the
game throughout most of it.  Doesn't that suggest that the Oilers are better
than the turnovers statistic indicates?

And as far as your accuracy goes, well 54% is on the good side of average, but
quite honestly that statistic is not impressive.  There are programs that have
posted to the net that are doing much better than 54%  I might also point out
that those programs rank the Pack quite a bit higher than 23.

No offense to Lions fans.

- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:13:25 GMT

> the records or stats, as usual, that don't games on SUNDAY! So,
> please excuse my RIGHT to woof, although I am not a SKINS FAN, but
> a SKINS supporter!

I doubt if the Redskin fans would claim you.

Funny how you support only winning teams.   Is this so you can practice
your self-righteous ranting more frequently?   Were you a 49er fan when
they sucked?  You seem to have a good knowledge of football.  For once it
would be nice to see you post something other than a slam of someone else's
opinion or a putdown of someone elses team.

David
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Quote of Dennis Green
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:24:03 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


When asked about the Vikes' performance this far, Green says
in his typical no nonsense style

"The defence was built ; the offence will be built.
We just have to do the best we can with what we have".


I just *love* Green's attitude and these Vikes will 
see days of glory under his tutelage. Of this I'm
sure. But what stupid front office moves, the franchise
will make, I'm not sure......

Sivaram Hariharan


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From: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
Subject: Re: Where will Montana Go?(was Re: (Vikes) The words SPARK...)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:42:41 GMT

In article <18831@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

> There is no good place for Joe.  He needs to stay put.  [...]  And the
> way that Young plays, with no regard to personal safety, Joe could well
> be the starter again early next year (or even in this postseason).

I agree completely.  If the Niners were to trade Montana in deference
to Young, the pressure to win could be damaging to both.  Neither one
may like playing backup, but having both on call is a great insurance
policy when you consider how often QBs go down.  After watching the hits
Steve took in yesterday's game, I wonder about his chances of making it
through the playoffs behind such a weakened OL.  I hope Joe gets some
playing time during the next couple weeks, so he doesn't have to come
in cold for the postseason.

As for next year, I think they should let both QB's start during the
preseason to see which one is more effective.  I'm still not convinced
Young can take them all the way.  Since he will be a free agent, I guess
management will be more concerned about Steve's leaving, but fans wouldn't
be too happy about seeing a legend like Montana traded away, especially
to an NFC contender.  This situation will test personnel management.

Bernie Verreau					bverreau@netcom.COM
RRRRRRRRR's                            		Redwood City, CA
From: cbcs3440@Oswego.EDU (Kevin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: KM's Week 15 picks
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:37:37 GMT
Reply-To: cbcs3440@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin)
Distribution: usa,world
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY


Abbreviations for the chart below-
AS- Actual Spread                          For the spread
CS- Computerized Spread                    +X  Home team favored
CPSW- Computer's Pick for Spread Winner        by X points
A O/U- Actual Over/Under
C O/U- Computerized Over/Under             -X  Away team favored
CP O/U- Computer's Pick for Over/Under         by X points



       Predicted Score              AS    CS  CPSW      A O/U  C O/U  CP O/U
Broncos    14  at Bills      25  +13.5 +10.9  Broncos      37   39.3    Over
Giants     21  at Cardinals  21*    +4  +0.6  Giants       37   41.7    Over
Falcons    18  at Buccaneers 25   Pick    +7  Buccaneers   43   43.1    Over
Bengals    13  at Chargers   25    +14 +11.7  Bengals      39   37.6   Under
Browns     18* at Lions      18     -3    -0* Lions        39   36.9   Under
Cowboys    19  at Redskins   18     +3  -1.7  Cowboys      38     37   Under
Colts      14  at Jets       21   +5.5  +7.2  Jets         34   34.5    Over
Patriots   13  at Chiefs     23  +16.5 +10.2  Patriots     33   35.7    Over
Saints     20  at Rams       17   -5.5    -3  Rams         38   37.1   Under
Eagles     18  at Seahawks   14   -9.5    -4  Seahawks   34.5   32.9   Under
Steelers   19* at Bears      19   -3.5  -0.4  Bears      36.5   38.6    Over
49ers      23  at Vikings    20     -5  -3.5  Vikings    43.5   42.6   Under
Packers    14  at Oilers     24     +7 +10.1  Oilers       41   37.9   Under
Raiders    15  at Dolphins   22   +6.5  +7.2  Dolphins     38   36.2   Under

Cardinals, Browns and Steelers (unfortunately) straight.
The computer has Cleveland favored by .005 pt.
Needless to say, I think it's going to be close.
After the final week of the regular season, I am not going to be able to post
picks on the net, since my account will be expired.  If you have access to
Prodigy, I'll be posting my picks in the Pro Football section of the Sports
Club BBS under the same subject. My Prodigy ID# is WJCC48A.

Now that the Bears are officially out, I don't know who to root for to win the
Super Bowl. Any ideas?  For the championship games, I'm picking San Francisco
vs. Dallas and Buffalo vs. Houston (my upset pick). But since the Bears are 
out, I'm looking forward to baseball season more than anything. Now that the
Cards have finally re-signed Ozzie (thank God), I really think they have a
chance. They need some more pitching help though. Any idea how I can get
another account? Let me know.

Kevin
From: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: harrisl@unssun.UUCP (Larry Harris)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <1992Dec14.005910.2508@Princeton.EDU> frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.000132.16735@PacBell.COM> JOHN P. GLORIA,
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>
>[tons of typical blabbering deleted. stick to computers John, your play
>by play is annoying]

Stick to your play-by-play John, your computer is annoying. 8^)

>Three points need to be made:
>3.  It is statements like the following:
>
>>Bottomline: fuck you, you whining, wimpy cowpussies. you
>>will be crying for the next 7 days!
>
>from the ultimate whining, wimpy pussy of them all that shows me that
>people cannot deal with the success of the 'Boys.  We will prevail and
>JPG will eat his own shit until preseason next year.
>
>FRANK

John, it looks like we are now experiencing day one, with six to go.

Go 49ers


__
             Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch
             Van Gogh paint Sunflowers, but they would fill
             Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear......

                     Pat Putnam - Sports Illustrated
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:00:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Daniel K. Whitesell)
Subject: Last woof?
Summary: The Bet III
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:05:37 GMT

By the time I return from Christmass break I may be mute.  So....

AFC KILLS NFC IN SUPPER BOWL!!!!  (Unless it is buffalo.)

GO AFC!!! GO AFC!!! GO AFC!!! GO AFC!!! GO AFC!!! GO AFC!!! 



whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dan Whitesell)
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:50:10 GMT

I have heard some Redskin fans saying Washington is a better team than Dallas
this year.  Want to test your theory?  If you could bet $1000 on which team 
would win at a neutral site, who would you choose?

Fact: Dallas dominated Washington at Dallas.
Fact: Dallas outplayed Washington at RFK, Washington wins because of great
      defensive efforts and bonehead Dallas plays
Fact: Rypien is having a terrible year and
Opinion: Rypien/OL cannot carry the Redskins through the playoffs like they
      did last season.

Good defense wins championships, but a team must have some offense or it is
hopeless.  Just ask Minnesota.

Another opinion: The difference between Dallas and SF at this point is that
SF finds a way to pull it out every week, Dallas doesn't (not every week).

Final opinion: I hope Green Bay overtakes one of the teams ahead of them and
makes the playoffs; they are playing great football.  Looks like that GB/Minn
game in the final week is becoming mammoth.

David

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