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From: CCGM000@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA (Glen Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Soundblaster's mythical support line
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:22:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: VM.26JAN93.23078590.0016
Organization: McGill University Systems Inc (MUSIC/SP)

In article <1993Jan26.211447.3786@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ral@athens.cc.bellcore.com (Ronald A. Levenberg) writes:
>In article <RHL.93Jan26120756@valhalla.mitre.org>, rhl@valhalla.mitre.org (Roger Lincoln) writes:
>>
>> Has anyone ever actually tried calling the Soundblaster support line
>> and gotten through?  I think it's a gimick.  I bought a SB recently,
>                             ...
>
>I tried calling them many times and never got through.  I couldn't
>get through to any of their telephone numbers, whether sales or tech
>support.

   To rise somewhat to Creative Lab's defence, I called and DID get
through. However, I might just as well have not bothered - the person
I spoke to seemed to be as dense as the wall beside me here, and the
net result my call was nada. To be put on hold while he goes and asks
someone something - jeeze, I would have preferred to speak directly
with the one he was questioning!!!

Glen Matthews
MUSIC Product Group, McGill University
550 Sherbrooke St. West Suite 1650, Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3A 3C5
Phone: (514) 398-4477 Fax: (514) 398-4488 BitNet: CCGM@MCGILLM
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From: ral@athens.cc.bellcore.com (Ronald A. Levenberg)
Subject: Re: Soundblaster's mythical support line
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:14:47 GMT
Summary: I've never reached Creative Labs Technical Support!

In article <RHL.93Jan26120756@valhalla.mitre.org>, rhl@valhalla.mitre.org (Roger Lincoln) writes:
> 
> Has anyone ever actually tried calling the Soundblaster support line
> and gotten through?  I think it's a gimick.  I bought a SB recently,
                             ...

I tried calling them many times and never got through.  I couldn't
get through to any of their telephone numbers, whether sales or tech
support.

Like the writer above, all I ever got was a busy signal.  I've been
shopping for a card, and when I called Gravis for info I got an
answer on the first try!
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From: boltz@chopin.psu.edu (Mark Boltz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Turtle Beach Multisound...software recommended?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:21:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlantis.!m#vHsu16c
Organization: Penn State University

I'm interested in purchasing the Turtle Beach Multisound to do some studio
recording work using a PC.  Does anyone have any good suggestions for composer
performer software that works well under windows with the TBM?  I'm looking
for some good MIDI sequencing software, in other words, that will allow me
to use a 4-track to make recordings.  Any suggestions sent to the addresses
below would be most welcome...thanx


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mrb118@psuvm.psu.edu

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"Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?"
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From: knepley@CS.ColoState.EDU (Ranseus (Jim Knepley))
Subject: Re: Which board to buy?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:57:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan23.192928.10117@iscsvax.uni.edu> harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>I have recently ordered a 486sx-25 with 4MB and an 85 MB HD.  I would like to
>get a cheap soundcard for use basically in games, etc.  I have absolutely no
>knowledge of soundboards except that I know that Soundblaster seems to be
>pretty popular.  I ran across an ad in Computer Shopper for an "Ad-Lib
>compatible sound card" for $40 and was wondering if this would be good enough
>for my purposes.  It definitely fits the price criteria!  Any help would be
>greatly appreciated.

I wouldn't go for an "AdLib compatible" board.  I am of the opinion that Sound
Blaster emulation is a must.  So, if you want it just for games, go with either
the SoundBlaster or the Thunderboard.  They're both fairly cheap and they'll
do most of what's out there.  (Thunderboard is a SoundBlaster clone, FYI).

I personally own a Gravis Ultrasound, but it may be more than you need.

Jim
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From: umclemen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Douglas Clemens)
Subject: Musician I software
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: ?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:26:23 GMT

	I have just obtained a copy of Musician I v1.5,
and am having a few problems with it.  It is for any
Adlib or Soundblaster compatible card (Though it states
that it requires a Soundblaster - use sound.com for adlib)

	I can't get it to set the key.  The key that is supposed to
set the key does a differnt job...  Anyways, I was wondering if anyone had
a version OTHER than 1.5.  Either an earlier or later version.

E-mail response to:
umclemen@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Thanks in advance
From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: MED files?
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:45:46 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <!fm3l6q@rpi.edu> kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) writes:
>
>Considering how poor the PC with an SBPro is at duplicating regular old
>4-channel MODs, I'd think doing an 8-channel MED file would be pretty

Of course, an PC with the GUS will sound better on 8 channel files than
the amiga. Not all people have SBPro you know!

>awful.  Maybe the 4-channel versions, though.... Oh yeah, MED also
>supports 12 tracks of MIDI (you pick the channel).  The program on the

The GUS could definitely support that, and could even play them (not
just send them to midi out!)

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From: itd11@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Don Utley)
Subject: Micropose Games with GUS
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:22:47 GMT

Is anyone having problems with Micropose games like Silent Service ][, Gunship
2000, and Harrier Jump Jet with the GUS? Well, I am. Mostly with the Digitized
Speech. It'll talk, but REALLY slow. And I do mean REALLY sloooooowwww....
Any and all help appreciated!!

Don Utley
(itd11@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,alt.msdos.programmer,alt.sb.programmer
From: hsiaoe@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Eric Hsiao)
Subject: New version of PAS Developer's Kit avail FTP
Keywords: pas, pas16, programming
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:20:46 GMT

A new version of the Pro Audio Spectrum Plus/16 software developer's kit is
available on FTP now.  The files were downloaded directly from Mediavision's
BBS and have files dated Jan 6, 1993 in them.  I think the kit is mostly
centered around Microsoft C and Assembler.  When looking at the code, some
interesting examples to look at are: playfile.c -- a program that will play
a .WAV or .VOC file at any playback rate (up to 44.1 KHz), 8 or 16 bit, and
mono or stereo.  This will give you some idea on how to write PCM output.
The program also automatically determines IRQ and DMA settings.  It also gives
you control over the filter level setting.  Anyway, if you are interested
in this kit, it can be found at this site:

media-lab.mit.edu /pub/ProAudioSpectrum

The files are PAS_SDK1.ZIP and PAS_SDK2.ZIP -- remember to unzip them using
the -d option since they have subdirectories.
                          - Eric
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From: s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: UNREAL sound help
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:56:54 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
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In <doc.728101402@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> doc@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey Smith) writes:

>I also have a problem with the unreal demo.
>I have a 386-33 and a SBPro (INT5, others default).
>Just after the World section at the beginning the sound dies but the
>demo keeps going,  any ideas.

I think it was pointed out here some time that Unreal wants the soundcard in
IRQ7 or else...  :-)

Anssi
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: A few MODs won't play by GUSMOD
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:14 GMT

markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (PAULIN MARC) writes:
>>alf.mod

>	That's weird.  My ALF.MOD works perfectly.

There are at least two different alf.mod files in my collection...
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From: mal4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marty Lamb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Confuse my software!
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:53:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi -

     I'm in rather urgent need of making some software think I have an AdLib
     (I DO have an SBPro).  Are there any drivers or is there any other way to
     let the SB emulate the AdLib on a very low level?  Thanks in advance.

Marty
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From: doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeff House)
Subject: 16 Bit Multitrack Recording
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:29:58 GMT

Hi, Folks...

Will the GUS or PAS16 or SB16 allow me to do 16 Bit Multitrack
recordinG?
(say, for producing a cassette tape?)

What board WILL definitely allow this?

Thanks a zillion!

Doogie
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From: jasonb@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Jason Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:22:44 GMT
Subject: GUS questions: Compatibility and buying in UK
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard

Okay, all of you Ultrasound fanatics have *nearly* convinced to go out
and buy one, but I still have a few unanswered questions. Hopefully you
guys 'n' gals can help me out:

    Is the GUS fully MPC compliant? Is it possible to control the volume
    of each different sound source in software? I seem to remember
    hearing that the CD-audio could only be turned on and off.

    What software comes with the GUS, and more importantly, what *can't*
    I ftp from epas?

    Can SBOS be used to emulate a SoundBlaster on any interrupt and DMA
    setting? One of the problems I have with my current SB setup is that
    since I upgraded to a new motherboard, and changed to int 5 (I had
    been using the default of int 7), the FM sound on some software has
    gone screwy.

    Will the native-GUS software that is currently available work with
    any hardware settings, or is some of it hard-coded for particular DMA
    and interrupt settings.

    Is there a simple question I can ask the supplier to determine
    whether the GUS they stock is the latest version?

    Penultimately, does anyone know of a cheap place to buy the GUS in
    Britain? The cheapest I have seen is around 170 pounds (including
    VAT).

    Lastly, do you know of any US companies which are equipped to export
    to the UK?

Thanks for any help you can offer. I can feel this almost irresistable
force tugging on my MasterCard...


Jason.
jasonb@hpopd.pwd.hp.com
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From: bromage@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Andrew Bromage)
Subject: MOD frequencies - how to calculate?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:32:45 GMT

Does anyone know how the Protracker MOD note frequencies are calculated?

Are they just straight frequencies, or do the numbers serve some other
purpose?

Andrew Bromage
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From: ccfac@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: MT32 manuals and other info please...
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:10:01 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <rford.5.0@datatek.csir.co.za>, rford@datatek.csir.co.za (Richard Ford) writes:
> Morning all
>
> I have just purchased an MT32 tone generator but without the manual.  Does
> any kind soul have an electronic copy of same - or, any info on modifying
> the tones, saving the banks etc...
>
> Thanx in advanx - Richard

When I got my MT32 module (second hand) a while back, it did not come
with a manual.  The kind soul at the shop who sold it to me, ordered
the manuals for me from Roland.  Maybe the shop you bought it from can
do the same, or you may like to ring up Roland and try that yourself.

Good luck.

Francis
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From: swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg (Sir Launcelot Du Lac)
Subject: Re: Nec 74 and SB-16/PAS-16
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:09:31 GMT

Well met Dennis,

drv@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dennis.r.vogel) writes:
: In article <kNgaXB1w165w@pilgrim.carlisle.ma.us> walsh@pilgrim.carlisle.ma.us writes:
: >I have ordered a new home computer (Gateway 486SX/33MHz) and
: >am interested in getting a CD and Soundcard primarily for the
: >kids (educational and entertainment). I am looking at the
: >NEC CDR-74 for its higher sustained read speed. 
: >1. Is the external CDR-74 compatible with both the SB-16 and PAS-16?
: > 
: > ...
: 
: It depends on what you mean by compatible.  I have a CDR-74 and a
: PAS-16 in a Gateway 2000.  I have the CDR-74 connected to the SCSI
: interface board that came with it (Trantor, I believe) rather than
: to the PAS-16 SCSI port.  This works fine as long as you have the
: slots to spare.  If you want to connect your external CDR-74 to the
: PAS port, you need a connector kit that PAS sells separately.  I
: think it's around $60.
: 
: Don't know about the SB-16.

Aye, 'tis compatible, but thou wilt need a separate SCSI controller card
for the CD drive.  I have the CDR-84 (internal) and the SB16

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From: bs@mdavcr.uucp (Bruce Sharpe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Replacement WinJammer v2.24 uploaded to epas
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:47:59 GMT
Organization: interested bystander

I have uploaded WinJammer v2.24 (again) to
  klingon.epas.utoronto.ca (128.100.160.36)
  /pub/pc/ultrasound/submit/wjmr224.zip
This replaces a previous upload that was corrupted.

WinJammer is a shareware Windows 3.1 sequencer that is GUS-aware, i.e., it
loads patches when it needs to.

Bruce Sharpe
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From: waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg)
Subject: GUS 1MB static clicks problem
Keywords: GUS
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:38:03 GMT

Hi,

I have upgraded my GUS to 1 MB yesterday. The first thing I did to try it out
was to play (large) MIDI files. With some files, I noticed some clicks in some
patches. First I thought it was the infamous Gravis UltraClick (tm), so I loaded
the patches in Patch Manager: No clicks.

Since the clicks only occured with large MIDI files, I loaded approx. 1 MB of
patches to the card: The clicks only occur on patches that are loaded at approx.
950 kB. (PM says that there is +- 60 kB left). If I unload some patches, the
clicks are gone (so the clicks are not in the patches).

Then I noticed another strange thing: The clicks sound on regular intervals. The
higher the notes, the shorter the interval: Lowest note about 2 seconds, highest
notes almost continuously. Also, when I change the volume, the clicks also sound
louder or softer.

So I tried the DRAM test program, since there could be something wrong with the
chips. DRAM reported bank 0 ok, banks 1, 2 and 3 not ok. I switched bank 2 and
3, but got the chips mixed up and placed the chips at random. DRAM now reported
banks 0, 1 ok and 2, 3 not ok. I tried out Patch Manager again, but the problem
was still there.

Then I switched bank 2 and 3 again, now without mixing up the chips. DRAM reported
that banks 0, 1, 2 were ok and 3 not. But the problem still exists!

The strange thing is that although I switched the chips on banks 2 and 3, the
problem always occures around 950 kB and the clicks seem to be note and volume
dependent. The latter might indicate a RAM chip problem, but that is contradicted
by the first, since switching the chips should shift the problem to another
region.

Does anybody know what the problem is? Do I have bad RAM chips (the new chips are
exactly the same as the chips that were already on the card), or do I have a
defective board (maybe an address line isn't working ok)? And what might be the
solution?

Thanx!

Jerry

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From: mkreger@dcl-nxt45.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael John Kreger)
Subject: Noise reduction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:35:13 GMT
Keywords: FTP, noise, speech


  Hey - I'm working on creating a neural-net speech recognition system, and I need a program that can reduce noise (hiss,  
etc.) in a .wav or .snd file.
  Does anyone know of an FTP site where I could find such a creature?

mkreger@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
From: umdaher1@news.cc.umanitoba.ca (Karl R. Daher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: 8-bit soundcards for IBM
Keywords: 8-bit cd-rom stereo
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:49:54 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
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    I am interested in buying a sound card that will fit into an 8-bit
IBM-XT slot on my computer. What are my options ? I would like to have a
stereo card with a CD-ROM interface, if possible. I was told that AD-LIB
makes such a board. Any info. on whether it is any good ? Are there other
options out there ( that are compatible to any sort of standard in the IBM
world ) ? Please e-mail me a reply as soon as possible ( I want to get one
by 10 Feb. ! ) Thanks in advance !

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From: pancake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Daniello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Micropose Games with GUS
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:22:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu

>Yes, I find Civilization and F15-III to be painfully slow.  Even on a
>486DX2-66.  Deep hurting.  I really haven't found a cure though.
>
>Dan

I have troubles with Civilization now and then, but it seems to me that
EMM is the culprit.  It runs quick without it.

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From: quan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan)
Subject: probs installing SB-16 on Gateway 2000
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:16:05 GMT


Has anyone else had problems installing an SB-16 on a Gateway
2000 386/33?  I've tried installing two different cards now and
no matter what I do, testsb16 reports "FM chip not found."
I know it's there, I can see it on the board. :-)
No other programs can do FM synthesis either, of course.
Any ideas?

--Tony
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From: kploog@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (kai ploog)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Develop. Kit for PAS
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:16:55 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
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Does anybody know on which FTP site I can get the PAS16 Development Kit?

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From: isc10192@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH KHANG WEE)
Subject: GUS midi adapter !
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:08:18 GMT

Hi out there !

Can someone tell me if the GUS has a midi cable for it ? I would like to
get a GUs to use with my Yamaha SY22 synth. Wondering if anyone knows
the price and where it is available from?

thanks !

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