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From: jlangfor@alsvid.une.edu.au (Joseph Langford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 3 club tournament--which three?
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:28:49 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <1992Sep9.163108.1@pearl.tufts.edu>, by mcole@pearl.tufts.edu:
> In article <1992Sep9.140034.25278@csc.ti.com>, jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,) writes:
>> In article 151047DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () writes:
>>>I think anybody taking a wood is crazy
>> 
>> Well, we all have our opinions, and you're not the first person to call me
>> that (I'm married..)  8)
>> 
>> I'd rather stay home if I can't DRIVE the ball off the tee.  NO, I can't reach
>> many greens on my DRIVE.  But, YES I can reach most par 4's with a drive and 
>> a 9-iron.  So,  plghhhhh!!!      8)   8)
>> 
>>>I think you are just as crazy if you do not take your putter.
>> 
>> Wow, we agree on something....
>> 
>>>The money club in this tourney is going to be a short iron: 9, PW, SW
>> 
>> Isn't it always...
>> 
>>>Keep them down the middle!
>> 
>> The middle of what?  8)   Unfortunately, I don't hit as many fairways as I'd 
>> like too, but I seem happy to sacrifice a little accuracy for an easier approach
>> shot (9-iron vs. 5-iron).  Plus, on my muni's, I prefer hitting out of the rough
>> over the hardpan fairways...
>> ---
> 
> I recently played a very tough course that forced me to hit an iron off the tee
> most of the time (I only hit the driver 5 times/18 holes.).   I surprised 
> myself with the way I played.  I am about a 12 cap and I shot a 78!  I am
> convinced that the reason for this was approaching from the fairway most of
> the time.  I'd rather hit a 7iron from the center of the fairway, than a 
> 9iron from the right/left rough.  It really worked for me.  This course was
> no sissy either.  I usually play on a muni 113 slope/5900yds.   This course
> was a 125 slope/6300yd (from the whites).  Anyway if I were to play in a
> three club tourney I would take 4iron, pw, putter.  I think the guy that
> says money is made on and around the green is right.  My 2 cents.
> 
> Michael P Cole
  
  I have recently returned to the game and have thrown away my woods as 
  I can hit a very straight, very long 2I (a.230m). This year I qualified 
  for the club championship playoffs. When playing golf remember one thing 
  the object of the game is to get the ball in the hole in the least amount
  of shots, not to see who can hit it the furtherest. 
  My three clubs would be 2I, 7I, PW. The 2I can be used as a putter.
-- 
Joseph Langford  Internet:  jlangfor@loki.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 ????????
    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
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From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu () wr
ites:
>
[stuff about rude golfer deleted]>

>"especially in front of the kid" and he said some more really sweet things.
>
>Vengeance is mine.  As we finish the hole I find a club aside the green. The
>same club he had attacked the sand trap with.  Probably the same club he had g
one to
>retrieve just minutes before. My partner , forever the diplomat offered to
>return the club but I thought I'd make him come and beg me for it.  On the
>next tee my partner goes over to him and says " you know that really wasn't
>proper etc,etc" and the response was, basically, "$#@% you". My partner
>returned to my side and said " keep the damn club".  So that's it, we followed

Flame you! I give you credit for not beating th crap out of that guy. I would 
have waved the club in the air so he could come and get it only to see me break
it over my knee when he got ready to take it. I would have then thrown the 
broken parts in his face.


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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Re: Rules question
Keywords: O. B., Rules
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 03:06:16 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)


In article <10583@wrgate.wr.tek.com> twete@tweety.wr.tek.com (Bob Twete) writes:

>Here is a situation that happened to me ealier today. I am playing a
>par 4 with O.B. to the left. I am left handed and I tend to slice.  My
>second shot takes off like a rocket, takes a hard left turn, hits and
>sticks in the fence.  The fence marks the O.B. line. There are no white
>markers and the card notes that the fence is O. B. The ball is found
>and identified as mine.

>Question #1:
>Is the ball O.B.?

I'd say no.  Under Rule 27. Ball Lost or Out of Bounds; Provisional Ball,
it defines out of bounds.  A few quotes from it:

"The out of bounds line extends vertically upwards and downwards."
"A ball is out of bounds when all of it lies out of bounds."

If I understand your situation, the ball being stuck in the fence,
I would assume part of the ball was on the course side of the fence.

>Question #2:
>If the ball is not O.B. what can I do?

You have two options.  You can either play it as it lies or you
can declare it un-playable.  If you declare it un-playable:
 
Rule 28.  Ball unplayable:

"If the player deems his ball to be unplayable, he shall,
under penalty of one stroke:
 a.  Play his next stroke as nearly as possible at the spot
 from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 
 20-5);
 b.  Drop a ball within two club-lengths of the spot 
 where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole;
                       or
  c.  Drop a ball behind the point where the ball lay,
  keeping that point directly between the hole and the
  spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how
  far behind that point the ball may be dropped"
 
Now for the good news:
 
"The ball may be cleaned when lifting under this Rule."
 
>I did hit a provisional, played the provisional and took a *.

If the above assumption was correct, that part of the ball was
on the course side of the fence, then I would say by playing 
the provisional, you broke rule 15. Playing a Wrong Ball.
If you had been playing Match play, you would have lost the 
hole.  If you had been playing stroke play, you should have
added a two stroke penalty to your score for the hole.

>Thanks for the help,
>RT

Sorry it couldn't be better news.

Dan King
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Availability of Dave Pelz's Putting Book?
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:40:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In <1992Sep14.132009.9267@alw.nih.gov> ckf@f16.cray.com (Charles K. Foley) writes:

>Recently someone on this newsgroup recommended Dave Pelz' book on putting
>titled "How to putt like the pros".  I decided to try to work on my putting
>and I thought the book would be a good start but I can't find it anywhere.
>I've tried the local golf pro shops and some of the golf retail shops in
>and around Durham, NC.  Where else should I try?

>Does anybody know if the book is available through mail order somewhere?

I guess the popularity of this book is really soaring. I was also looking for
the book. In fact, went to the very same stores where I saw them about 1.5
months ago and now they are all gone. To order would take 6-8 weeks and I
didn't want to wait. Fortunately, I passed by a custom golf shop and found
those books on the counter for sale. In fact, they were the only books aside
from Leadbetter for sale in the custom shop (where Richard Zokol has his putter
customized). Probably goes on to show how good the book is.

After reading it, I would say that it is indeed a very insightful book. Highly
recommended.
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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Re: ETIQUITTE
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:11:43 GMT

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
=>     Recognizing an infraction and failing to mention it is
=>     against the rules, but only if one fails to mention it
=>     while it can legally be corrected (with or without the
=>     proper penalties); i.e., the partner has until Anton plays
=>     his next shot to make the call.

Blair is incorrect.  Consider the case of player A in stroke play
observing that player B has teed up in front of the markers.  Player A can..
   i)  call player B's attention to the fact before player B makes a
       stroke.  This is probably the best thing to do, but whether one
       does this or not isd a matter of personal ethics.
  ii)  wait until after player B has teed off but has not either
       played from the teeing ground of the next hole or walked off
       the putting green of the last hole and inform B of the
       violation so B can go back and replay the hole with a two
       stroke penalty under rule 11-4b which covers playing from
       outside the teeing ground.
 iii)  wait until after player B has either teed off on the next hole
       or left the last green in which case B would be subject to
       disqualification under rule 11-4b which covers playing from
       outside the teeing ground.
  iv)  say nothing in which case player B would be subject to
       disqualification under rule 11-4b which covers playing from
       outside the teeing ground, and player A would be subject to
       disqualification under rule 1-3 which covers agreeing to waive
       the rules.
-- 

charlie shub  cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU       -or-         (719) 593-3492     
on leave at the University of Iowa  cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739
From: un037002@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Wide-body drivers
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:33:20 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


	There are so many wide body drivers in the market nowadays. I was in a
golf shop one day, saw more than ten kinds of such kind of drivers,
Bridgestone Whopper, Judge, Hammer, Yamaha, 2001......, I just can't name them
all. They all look nice, as the matter of fact Judge and Hammer with graphite
shaft look real bad. There is no way I can try all these clubs out, but I
really doubt if these flash looking sticks can put your balls a few yards
farther than those traditional drivers like Wilson staff,Ping woods. 
	I don't think I want to spend $180 for something looks nice but don't
hit that much better. I think there are so many after market gimmick clubs you
just simply don't know which one is the real thing. I know a guy had a Big
Bertha he couldnot hit it and threw it in a pond.
	If you have a big driver please share your expierences. I still haven't
bought my new driver yet, I'd like to hear more before I put the money down.
From: tiches@bedford.progress.COM (Tim Tiches)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Where to golf
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:05:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

On The island of Kauai there is a public course in Lihue (near the
airport).  I can't remember the name right now but, it is the only
public (non-resort) course on the island.  In 1989 it was only $10
to play.  It was rated in the top 50 public courses (Golf Digest). 
This was probably the best golf value I have ever experienced. 

Of course, if you want to spend over $100, The kiele course at the
Weston and any of The Priceville courses are fabulous.


--
Tim Tiches Jr.   <tiches@bedford.progress.COM>  Voice:  (617) 280-4439 
Progress Software Corporation			Fax:  (617) 280-4655
14 Oak Park   Bedford,  MA   01730
From: mahoney@cs.utexas.edu (J. Jeff Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Wide-body drivers
Date: 10 Sep 1992 11:33:36 -0500
Organization: Just Do It Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep9.230657.3591@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un037002@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>

>	If you have a big driver please share your expierences. I still haven't
>bought my new driver yet, I'd like to hear more before I put the money down.
>                          

     My father has bought every oversized-driver on the market (he wants to someday
"fly" Payne Stewart), and of course I get to try them all.  I've played extensively with
the Wilson Whale (much too heavy for me -- and I'm 6'1 190), Big Bertha (can't control it),
a couple of Yamahas (can't remember model #'s, but these suckers had BIG heads, and always
felt like a brick when you mishit)---but for my money (or my fathers), I recommend everyone
try the Cleveland Launcher.  It's light, and when you hit the ball, its gone.........
The first time I hit one, I added 30 yards to my drive (I normally average around
210, this one went over 240).  I'm only an 18 handicapper, but my brother (a 2 handicap)
had a similar experience.  He swears by it, and hits it over 300.  I've personally
seen him drive 3 par fours, once tapping in the eagle.
     I bought one, my brother bought one, my mom bought one, my dad---well he still
can't fly Payne, but I think he might stick with the Launcher.

Just my 2 sense.  I have no ties with Cleveland, but I love their driver.
-- 
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From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:20:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Rules poser
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf


Time for a hint, I think :

There are 6, yes SIX options available to you.

Depending on the circumstances, I can see a use for each of them, so it
may be worth your while to stay tuned for the answers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ian Watson, HP Pinewood Information Systems Division, England.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Rule that I'd like to see changed
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:45:16 GMT

In article <1220038@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
|> .............................................................................
|> I've never understood the rationale behind dishing out a penalty for hitting
|> the flagstick in the hole when putting from on the green.  Why can't it be a
|>movable obstruction just like any other, leaving you the option of removing it
|> or not ?  If no-one can explain this, then I'll maintain that it's the rule
|> that should go.
|> 
|> Ian Watson, HP Pinewood Information Systems Division, England.

I say the spike mark rule is the worst.  Not being to repair some other
persons mistake is by far the worst and probably should be the first to go.

-- 
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From: sirkeinen@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Rules question
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:38:29 GMT



	Following the discussion on 'lost', 'provisional' and
	'unplayable' balls I should like to stir it with an
	associated question which has not been touched yet, 
	I think, but which has puzzled me a few times.

	The player may, anytime (let's simplify the argument
	and assume that we know the ball not to be in any 
	hazard nor out of bounds), declare his ball unplayable. 
	One of the options then always is to play the ball 
	(_the_ ball or _a_ ball??) at the penalty of one stroke 
	plus distance from the place of the previous shot.

	Is there anything in the rules to forbid this decision
	'unplayable' to be made remotely, say, immediately after
	a terribly hooking tee-shot into the rough or woods
	where you would still have a high probability of actually 
	finding your ball? You might even see your ball but 
	not be willing to continue from there but rather take the
	penalty and play a new ball. The logical but tedious way
	would, of course, be to walk to the ball, declare
	'unplayable' and walk back for a new shot. 

	If you, instead, play a new ball as a 'provisional' 
	you have to declare it dead, I suppose, immediately once
	your original ball is found. Declaring a ball 'lost'
	without searching it is not possible either.

	George
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: The Rules of Golf vs the State of Oregon
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:08:39 GMT

sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.160438.28741@sequent.com> john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:
>>How do you think this should be resolved?

>That's easy.  Just put the out-of-bounds markers a few feet inside the
>hazard so nobody will have to stand in the wetlands.

That puts them in the fairway on a couple of the holes.

I disagree with putting Out of Bounds in the middle of a golf course.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com

-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
From: jlangfor@alsvid.une.edu.au (Joseph Langford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rules question
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:17:13 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <10586@wrgate.wr.tek.com>, by twete@tweety.wr.tek.com (Bob Twete):
>>>Here is a situation that happened to me ealier today. I am playing a
>>>par 4 with O.B. to the left. I am left handed and I tend to slice.  My
>>>second shot takes off like a rocket, takes a hard left turn, hits and
>>>sticks in the fence.  The fence marks the O.B. line. There are no white
>>>markers and the card notes that the fence is O. B. The ball is found
>>>and identified as mine.
>>>
>>>Question #1:
>>>Is the ball O.B.?
>>>The ball is not considered O.B. as it is not outside the boundary(the 
fence is a boundary not O.B).
>>>Question #2:
>>>If the ball is not O.B. what can I do?
>>>Take a drop no nearer the hole(see local rules), or you replay the shot,
both usually incur a 1 shot penalty
>>>I did hit a provisional, played the provisional and took a *.
> 
> Follow up on my origonal post:
> 
> Thanks for the help. I am pretty sure I got the correct answer. I actually
> simplified this a bit. The ball was found after I had declared the ball
> lost. So I was stuck with a lost ball pentalty anyway. I just wanted to
> know what I should do if I had found the ball first. 
> 
> 
> RT
> --------------------------------------------------
> Bob Twete                    - twete@tweety.WR.TEK.COM
> Prism Engineering            - 503-629-3147
> Tektronix, Inc.              - Beaverton, OR
> --------------------------------------------------
-- 
Joseph Langford  Internet:  jlangfor@loki.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 ????????
    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: Canadian Open Results
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:18:01 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 09-10-92 18:13
Here are the standings as of 6:00 pm. The course played long with rain 
in the morning and earlier in the week (is that a surprise) and 20mph 
winds. The first tee was delayed by 45 min. The rough is in the 4-5 
inch range and wet. The greens have never been in better condition.

Don Pooley      -5
Lee Janzen      -4
Craig Stadler   -3
Corey Pavin     -3
Bobby Clampett  -2
Joey Sindelar   -2
Nick Price      -2 after 13
Kenny Knox      -2  "    11
Fran Quinn      -2  "    10
Paul Azinger    -1
Patrick Burke   -1
Fred Couples    -1
Jay Delsing     -1
David Frost     -1
D. Hammond      -1
B. McCallister  -1
Dillard Pruitt  -1
Bob Wolcott     -1
Tom Sieckmann   -1  "    16
Bruce Lietzke   -1  "    13
Jerry Anderson   E
Jay Don Blake    E
Carl Cooper      E
Mike Donald      E
John Inman       E
Jodie Mudd       E
Mark O'Meara     E
Craig Parry      E
Kenny Perry      E
Lanny Wadkins    E
Jim Woodward     E  "    17
John Adams       E  "    15
Loren Roberts    E  "    15
Greg Norman      E  "    14
Ted Schulz       E  "    13
Stan Utley       E  "    13
M. Calcavecchia  E  "    12
Hale Irwin       E  "    12
Doug Martin      E  "    11
Dave Schreyer    E  "    9

Significant others:

Curtis Strange  +1

Top Canadians:

Jerry Anderson   E
Dan Halldorson  +1
Richard Zokol   +1
others  
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From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Wide-body drivers
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:03:49 GMT
	<1992Sep10.155209.5586@wdl.loral.com> <fragante.716142551@unixg.ubc.ca>
	<1992Sep11.154534.22281@wdl.loral.com>
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems

In article <1992Sep11.154534.22281@wdl.loral.com>
bll@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Brad Loney) writes:

   I purchased the Mid-size Taylor Made driver 10.5 with the graphite
   shaft (Regular Stiffness).  They also have a 8.5 and 9.5 lofts
   also.  The graphite shaft is 1/2" longer that the steel shaft.  I
   purchased the graphite because I don't buy golf clubs that often.
   I said to myself "What the Hell, you only live once."

   Personally I don't notice a lot of difference between a steel and
   graphite shaft.  The graphite is $100 more.  The graphite does
   impress your golf friends and foes.

   If you have a good swing, the steel shaft will still provide you
   with a great drive.  Unless your sold on graphite, invest the $100
   in your local golf pro.

You know, I can't figure out this graphite craze.  I swung both the
Dynamic Gold steel and the graphite in the Taylor Mades on both the
range and with a computer swing analysis machine.  My clubhead speed
is about 95-100 mph so I was using stiff (S) shafts.  I really
couldn't tell a difference (besides $100).  I wasn't getting better
clubhead speed out of the graphite even though it was 1/2-inch longer.
Besides, I think I preferred the feel of steel.

Perhaps graphite is better for less stiff shafts with lower kick
points?  Is graphite really that great?!?  It's probably one of those
personal opinion/feel things.  I second the recommendation to spend
the $100 (or $300 for a set of three) with your pro instead.

This week I was deciding between a System-2 10-degree and a System-2
Midsize 10.5-degree.  I hit both and slightly preferred the Midsize;
it was more forgiving.  However, I bought the non-Midsize since I
found a used one for $85 instead of $145 for the new Midsize.  I
decided the Midsize wasn't $60 better.  After all, I'm just a poor
grad student...

That reminds me: I highly recommend looking hard for used clubs.  Of
the clubs in my bag (Hogan Edge irons, Taylor Made System-2 metal
woods, and Ping putter), I've only bought four clubs new: 2-iron, SW,
3-wood, and putter.  I've been able to get top-quality clubs at good
prices.  Who cares if they're a little scratched/dinged?  It's worth
looking!


--

                                Lee Hetherington
                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu
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