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From: k9jma@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (edwin.m.schaefer)
Subject: Re: Sexist Statement
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:18:40 GMT

In article <BtyAJp.2wu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney) writes:
>mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>
>>In article <486@arrl.org> jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:
>>>In rec.radio.amateur.misc I wrote:
>>>>...
>>>>arranged. C'mon, guys. Get your clubs going, and send me
>>>
>>>One of the women who read this group gently pointed out 
>>>the sexism in that statement. By now, I should know better.
>
>>Nonsense!  Just go 500 miles west and you'll find people who regularly
>>address groups of females as "guys."  There _are_ parts of the
>>country where it's done.


Arrant nonsense! If someone is offended by (doesn't like) something it
is a matter of personal sensibility. The fact that someone else, somewhere
else, isn't offended by (or likes) something is not relevant to the
reactions of the offended person. Don't tell me I should like SSB
operating - I'm a packet operator and don't care how many people like SSB
- I like packet.

>
>>Down here _nobody_ is addressed as "guys" -- we don't use the word.
>>It's "y'all".
>
>
>I'm tired of political correctness.  It's all over U of I here...
>Some women here get upset if a man calls a woman a lady.  I'm 
>serious.  PC is a form of censorship.

Horse Puckey. Censorship consists of _official_ action (i.e. by an
agency of government) to _prevent_ publication or distribution of some
objectionable statement. Not the same intent as giving some feedback.

We should remember that the goal is communication. We want to have a
shared understanding of some topic of mutual interest. If someone
tells me that the words I have chosen to use interfere with _their_
reception of the _meaning_ that I intend to convey I can then decide
whether I want to choose other words that work better. 

Generally I think it is a good idea to send at the speed the other operator
can copy, to try to speak in a language that the other op will understand,
and to try to avoid offending unintentionally.

On the other hand if you intend to offend one could wonder why --
there are good reasons and not so good reasons.

73 de Ed K9JMA
From: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RG 8 atten @ 20 Mhz?
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:07:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu

I'm considering having a class do a project this semester using
a microcontroller to send control commands to an ICOM 735 (have
to figure out some way to disable transmit since none of them
are hams). The problem is that the closest place I can put an
antenna is about 350' away from the radio.  I've checked Belden's
catalog, but they given attenuation figures starting at 50Mhz.
Since I'm more interested in HF (say, 20Mhz), does anyone have
a clue as to what kind of attenuation figures you might run into
in that range? Maybe for RG-8?

THANKS!

 - Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | BITNET: WIER@NAUVAX | WB5KXH
From: carndt@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chris Arndt)
Subject: Re: Cellular Frequencies
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:26:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.204804.7379@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes:
>In article <l9qcl7INNkvl@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>>
>>Huh?  If memory serves, I've never seen a television UHF dial that went
>>beyond 60 in the first place.  And I know for a fact that I've never
>>heard of a UHF station higher than 54 (the local UHF PBS affiliate).
>>Geoff
>
>Well Geoff, your memory just doesn't go back far enough then as what was
>said about UHF channels previously going to channel 83 is absolutely correct.
>
Can't have been that long ago, either, that it changed. We have a remote
control 13" Sharp TV w/ electronic tuner that goes all the wat to 83, and
it's not more than 5 or 6 years old.
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best way to leard Morse code?
Date: 25 Aug 1992 21:50:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <BtJKv1.1nL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
>	Read Wayne Green's editorial in the
>	latest (?) 73 about how to learn the code.  Sure he's contraversial 
>	but he knows what he is talking about  in this area. 

OK, I haven't read it (yet, if ever) but this is the same Wayne Green who
said in 1954 or so that his code speed had gone down by 3WPM per month
ever since he got his license.  Maybe he changed his mind.

-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: grahj@gagme.chi.il.us (jim graham)
Subject: KAMterm 1.00 uploaded to SIMTEL20
Originator: @gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 22:36:00 GMT

this is just a pointer to an upload announcement to be found on
rec.radio.amateur.packet and comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives (for
those who may not read those groups).

I've uploaded a shareware program called KAMterm to simtel20.  KAMterm
is a Host Mode terminal program for the Kantronics KAM, KPC2, KPC3,
et al.

the details can be found on the announcement in the above groups, or
by e-mail to me.

73s, de n5ial/9
   --jim

--
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whose thoughts these really are....         73 DE N5IAL (/9)
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From: harper@huntsville.sparta.COM (Christie Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: information
Date: 4 Sep 1992 12:23:09 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

send info
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Is the Cushcraft R7 worth it? (was: Re: Cushcraft R7 measurements)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:24:59 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

MOSIER@iris.uncg.EDU (Steve Mosier) writes:

>> If you read between the lines of this month's QST article, 
>> you will see that a dipole actually works better, especially
>> on 40m.
>> 
>> I'll spend my $400 on something else.

>I took an R7 to the beach this summer and rigged a pretty fast setup system,
>making a storage and travel case for the partially dissasembled R7 that also 
>contained some pipe and an auger to put it in the ground and mount the R7 
> [...] $360 for a travel antenna may sound high, but 
>then again plenty of people rig up all kinds of expensive contraptions for 
>their travel trailers.  


Perhaps someone can shed light on this question.  The R7 is 22 feet
high.  Let's say you have 4 5-foot sections of steel mast with tapered
ends, so you can put them together.   This gives you 20 feet.
Now take the setup that is described above, including the antenna
tuner that he says he used.    Sure, I would imagine that you
would need a few wires for radials, but that would not be difficult
to set up.  Don't you then have the same thing as an R7?  You could
also put a top hat on the mast antenna and use it for 80m or even 
160m.

So, the cost comparison is:

    4 sections of mast:    $23.00        Cushcraft R7     $380.00
     (from Radio Shack)

    Some radial wires      $10.00
                          -------                         -------
    TOTAL                  $33.00                         $380.00


So, for the extra $350, what do you get?   Would the R7 really
perform better, and if so, why?


    


-- 

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Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Uselessness of ARES/RACES
From: julian@bongo.UUCP (Julian Macassey)
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:44:12 GMT
Reply-To: julian@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey)
Organization: The Hole in the Wall  Hollywood California U.S.A.


On Sep 1 at  9:29, sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) writes:
> 
> julian@bongo.bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
> 
> >	And as someone said "Kenneth, what is the frequency?" Seems we
> >don't have an emergency freq. Sailors do, Fliers do, even lowly CBers
> >do. But if my house collapses on me and I can just reach my walkie
> >talkie, the question is: "Kenneth, what is the frequency?"
> 
> In our town and immediate surroundings, the frequency is our local
> repeater, which hams in our club almost always monitor. All the hams
> in the area know this.

	You have missed the point. It is wonderful that every ham in
your town knows the "local" frequency. When my car hits a telephone
pole driving through your town, how do I know the frequency? Ask a
passing ham?

	In other services, there is an emergency freq. Ch16 for sailors
with VHF, 2182 voice MF, 500Khz Morris LF. These frequencies work in
your town, my town and and even Jugoslavia. 

	So to repeat my point" Amateurs don't have an emergency
frequency."

	If I was stranded in a collapsed Motel 6 in Homestead Florida,
I would be buggered even if I did have a radio.


-- 
Julian Macassey, julian@bongo.info.com  N6ARE@K6VE.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NA
742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue Hollywood CA 90046-7142 voice (213) 653-4495
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: whester@nyx.cs.du.edu (William R. Hester)
Subject: Re: Icom 2410 comments please
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:44:48 GMT

A friend of mine bought the Icom 2410H and kept it a week before
returning it.  Seemed that the intermod and spurious signals were so
strong that he couldn't squelch them out...

Of course this is in a metropolitan area where there are lots of radio
signal around to cause this type of problems...

It you live away from a populated area, or like hearing two or three
conversations all at the same time (garbled), then it's a neat rig
with lots of features.  However, be aware that the dual band with wide
band scanner design gives up selectivity and is prone to lots of
irritating intermod.

I recommend that you buy the rig with a clear written understanding that
you can return it if you don't like how it performs.

73, Bill

--
Bill Hester, Ham Radio N0LAJ, Denver CO., USA - N0LAJ@W0LJF.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM
Please route replies to: whester@nyx.cs.du.edu or uunet!nyx!whester   
Public Access Unix @ University of Denver, Denver Colorado USA
(no official affiliation with the above university)
From: Jim_Sollows@mindlink.bc.ca (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood Service SUCKS!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:04:54 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I sent 4 letters to Kenwood re their rotten service. They made a point, they
never bothered to reply.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: What is typical "shelf life" of fully charged Ni-Cad battery?
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:30:20 GMT

In article <BtLIp6.25v@cmptrc.lonestar.org> carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett) writes:
}In article <589@bongo.UUCP> julian@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
}>
}>I recommend that you store
}>NiCads in the fridge, never leave them in the car during the summer and
}>recharge for 10 - 14 hrs (at the C/10 rate) every month if just sitting
}>idle.
}
}Yes.  Many people do this, but I don't clean my refrigerator often enough.
}Note that Julian said "refrigerator."  This does not mean that cold is good
}implies that colder is better!  Do NOT store them in a freezer, which can
}crack the cell casings and cause real problems.

At 23C, Ni-cads lose 1% of their charge each day.  At that rate, they
will have a half life of about 70 days.  I don't know what the
numbers are at lower temperature.  


-- 

Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
From: rossi@gvlf9-q.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RG 8 atten @ 20 Mhz?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:16:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp (A Unisys Company), Great Valley Labs, PA

In article <1992Sep3.225506.2633@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>
> ... stuff deleted ...
>
>..... .... .....  Besides, some loss in your coax will make
>your antenna's SWR look better, making the transmitter happier.
>
Higher losses may not necessarily make your SWR better at resonance but
it will make the SWR curve "flatter" across the band.  When I hear
someone claim they have an antenna that is flat 1:1 across the entire
band (without a tuner) then I begin to wonder/worry is their antenna
really just a big outdoor dummy load :-)

=================================================================
Pete Rossi - WA3NNA                  rossi@gvl.unisys.com

Paramax Systems Corporation - a Unisys Company
Electronic Systems - Valley Forge Labs - Paoli, Pennsylvania
=================================================================
From: brown@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Pat R. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vertical antenna for a covenant-restricted lot?
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:01:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

You might think about building a "flagpole". Very patriotic. 

73 de Pat  N7KRG in Greenacres, WA
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cellular Frequencies
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:10:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> Sorry to appear a complete bozo, but what exactly do people mean when they
> say TV's can intercept these frequencies?

Nope, this is a valid question (as opposed to everybody reporting the
location of their favorite UHF TV station).  Intercepting is probably
a bad word (no body mentions "interceting" prior to attempts to make
it illegal).  TV recievers that can tune up to where the old UHF
channels were, can receive the cellular phone transmissions.

> As I understand TV, the audio and visual signals go out at two
> separate frequencies. So are we saying that the TV receives the
> cellular signal at the audio frequency and simply plays it as a sound?

Prescisely, the TV signal uses two carriers (actually more now) one
for AM Video and one for FM audio.  If you can get the TV tuned to
some FM audio signal, you can usually hear it.  The same thing happens
when you tune a FM radio down below 88.1.  If you got a channel 6
around, you'll here it's audio at 87.6 or so.

> Doesn't it care that there is no video present?

Most older TV's don't care that there is no video present for anything
(and display "static" when there is no signal present), newer TV's
blank the screen when there's no sync present.  The audio is usually
squelched separately, but even my high-tech recent super digital
Philips PIP displays sound when there is no picture present.

> Is cellular communication by simple FM (that TV audio uses) and not an
> AM signal (that would use less bandwidth).

Bandwidth was obviously not a consideration.  It uses NBFM.  Primarily
for audio quality I would suspect (the idea is to think that these are
phones, not radios), possibly the capture effect of FM is also of
importance.  Of course, there are other approaches as well, Qualcomm
(well represented here) is working on Spread Spectrum cellular, for
example and claims many more calls per MHz.

-Ron

The privacy of a radio with the convenience of a phone.
From: Claton.Cadmus@f100.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Claton Cadmus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tuning Open-wire fed dipo
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:35:22 GMT

Richard writes:

RI>I have a 130 foot long dipole, center fed with about 80 feet (very
RI>approximately) of this common brown insulated "open wire" feedline.
RI>I use it on 80 and 40 meters and my problem has to do with the tuner
RI>and the way the antenna tunes.

RI>of the coil.  On 40 meters it tunes and works beautifully.  I get good
RI>bandwidth, both caps dip the swr smoothly, and the signal gets out
RI>like Gangbusters.

RI>On 80 meters, the only thing I change is the taps on the coil from the
RI>feedline.  At the high end of the band, all works well, but as I QSY
RI>down into the 3700 range I get screwy results.  The dips in the swr are
RI>not sharp, the position of the taps has little effect, and when I go
RI>down to 3600 or below it will not tune at all.

I believe the reason for your problem is the antenna becomes resonant
at about 3600Khz.  The requirement to match the antenna no longer exists
and your tuner will not do a 1:1 resistive match.  On forty meters this
antennna is a full wave diople and presents a very high impedence that
the link coupled matching unit is designed to accommodate.

Suggested solutions:

1. Add 10-20 ft of wire to each end of your dipole.  This may be
difficult but will solve your problem.  If the dipole is 80 ft up these
wires could simple hang.  As an alternative you could install two small
loading coils at the center feed point, one in each side.  Something
like ten turns of insulated #14 wire wound on 2-3 inch dia. PVC forms.
This has the effect of electrically lenghtening your antenna.

2. Don't use the tuner in the lower portion of the 80 meter band.  Feed
it through a 1:1 or 4:1 balun transformer.  You may need to try both.
Don't worry about the 450 ohm feedline.  The important thing is to
"transform" the unbalanced output of the transmitter to the balanced
feed of your antenna system.

Hope this helps!

73 de KA0GKC Claton Cadmus

Packet:         KA0GKC@WB0GDB.MN.USA.NA
Fido Netmail:   Claton Cadmus  1:282/100
Internet Email: Claton.Cadmus@f100.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com

 * SLMR 2.1a * Can I use my AM radio after noon?

 * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN (K0TG) (1:282/100)
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From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cellular Frequencies
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:27:20 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>Huh?  If memory serves, I've never seen a television UHF dial that went
>beyond 60 in the first place.

KTTV Channel 69 here in San Diego might take issue with you.

Used to be that the dial went up to 83.  But that's smell-phone land now.

"Sixty-Nine is Divine"....
	- Brian
From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood Service SUCKS!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:45:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

The company I used to work for (National Instruments in Austin Texas) had a 
simple policy: supporting previous customers has top priority.  Period.  If
necessary, a design engineer drops everything he's doing to get someone who's
using the company's products happy.  *Nothing* else comes first.  National
Instruments has grown by leaps and bounds, and I think that policy has a lot
to do with it. 

A company *must* take care of its customers.  Nothing less is acceptable.

Kip Ingram
kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jhays@boi.hp.com (John D. Hays)
Subject: Re: Odd callsign that turned out to not be
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:04:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division (LAFS)
Keywords: unreal callsign

In article <1992Aug27.171426.9208@leland.Stanford.EDU> stankus@leland.Stanford.EDU (John J. Stankus) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.185911.15099@midway.uchicago.edu> hayward@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Peter Hayward) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.030908.24707@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>>:
>>:Today, I was in my car in line at a tollgate.  Looking at the rear view
>
>Of course my brother has the CW call from hell N5EHE. (ok I guess N5HHH would
>be worse)
>
>

On the CW front try:

NH5HHH
NH4OBV
NO0OOO
EI5HHH

There are skads more....

John

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (ICOM IC-R70)
Subject: Re: Sexist Statement
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:58:40 GMT


In <486@arrl.org> Jim Kearman states:

|> C'mon, guys. Get your clubs going, and send me
          ^^^^ 

|One of the women who read this group gently pointed out 
|the sexism in that statement. By now, I should know better.
|I apologize to her and other women, who are, of course,
|more than welcome to start transmitter hunts and send
|photos. 73.

Whoa there, fella! The Aaron Spelling mid-1970s program "Charlies Angels"
routinely used "guys" when an Angel was addressing fellow Angels.

As such, "guys" as used in American venacular definitely can be used
in a unisex fashion...
From: price@cod.nosc.mil (James N. Price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQ DE, MS, RI, SD, VT, WV
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:03:13 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

-------
I have only 6 states left to work on the RS satellites (RS-10 and
RS-12).  These are low orbiters; RS-10's uplink is on 2 meters
downlink on 10 meters, RS-12 is up on 15 meters and down on 10.
They are easy to work with only the most modest equipment--i.e.
no special antennas, low-noise pre-amps or any of that is needed.

If anyone in the 6 listed states is willing to try, please contact
me here on the net and I'll provide the satellite pass times for
the next few days as well as a "primer" on using the birds.

Thanks in advance--Jim, K6ZH
milnet: price@nosc.mil

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