HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How To Identify Lactic Acid Buildup?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:24:03 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)

westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:

>Could someone who is familiar with the subject please tell me what sorts
>of symptoms lactic acid buildup causes on the day *after* a long
>workout, and are there any ways to speed recovery?

I get lactic acid buildup (technically called acidosis) from especially
hard bike training rides and races.  The next day, the muscles in
question, and ONLY those muscles, still show the effects of it.  I get
the same burning sensation in the quad area when climbing stairs for
example, as I felt at the end of the ride itself.  It's not a whole-body 
fatigue.

>I'm actually a windsurfer, not a runner, but it seems to me that lactic
>acid is a problem that runners deal with frequently.  I find that the
>day after a long day of windsurfing, my whole body is incredibly weak.
>It's not a localized pain, as with a weightlifting workout, but a
>general lethargy and a sensation in the muscle that it will not sustain
>any kind of work.  I guess I could describe the feeling as one of not
>having any glycogen stored in the muscle.  I'm not sore; it's more that
>I just lack any muscular energy.

I would agree with your assessment.  If your whole body is fatigued, you
may have not only drained the active muscles' glycogen but also the
glycogen stored in your liver.

>Any thoughts on whether these symptoms are due to lactic acid, and can
>someone recommend a few tricks for speeding recovery from a long
>endurance workout?

It sounds like you would do well to replace, as quickly as possible,
your depleted glycogen stores.  You may want to take something with
you to eat right at the end or even during your windsurfing sessions.
Everything I've read about glycogen depletion stresses the fact that
your body is most efficient at restocking its glycogen within the 
first hour or so of stopping the activity.  Eat carbo's right away.

Good luck,

-Bud
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:57:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul24.055721.6414
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <9219@alvin.mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
>Question:   If I read Lehninger right, ketone bodies are formed in the
>liver from acetyl-CoA, which is formed in mitochondria during the
>oxidation of fatty acids.  Is the source for this mitochondria in the
>liver, or is some acetyl-CoA circulating?  If it is in the liver, why
>does ketosis occur?  Shouldn't there be some kind of feedback control on
>the amount of ketones liberated?

Fatty acids formed by the hydrolysis of fat are linked to CoA forming
FA-CoA.  The CoA group is exchanged for l-carnitine, which acts as a
transport vehicle for bringing fatty acids across the mitochondrial
membrane.  Once across the membrane, free l-carnitine and FA-CoA are
regenerated.  Within the mitochondrion, fatty acids are turned into
acetate groups (acetyl-CoA, actually) by progressively slicing off two
carbons at the carboxylic acid end and then repeating until you've
exhausted the chain.  The resulting molecules of acetyl-CoA are
available to enter the Krebs cycle to generate energy, and in an
ordinary diet with adequate carbohydrate, acetyl-CoA jumps into the
the cycle, combining with oxaloacetate to form citrate, which
is then further metabolized.

When there is a shortage of dietary carbohydrate, oxaloacetate is
diverted to produce essential glucose.  When fat is burned in the
absence of adequate carbs, there is more acetyl-CoA than there is
oxaloacetate.  Molecules of acetyl-CoA can combine to form aceto-
acetate, some of which is reduced to hydroxybutyrate, and some of
which is slowly decarboxylated to acetone.  Acetoacetate, acetone
(yes, the nail polish remover) are all "ketone bodies", organic
"ashes" of fat metabolism.  Actually, "ashes" really isn't the
right word, because acetoacetate can be used as a fuel by the brain
and kidneys (by reconverting it to two molecules of acetyl-CoA).
This accumulation of ketone bodies in the blood, and their
excretion in the urine and the breath, is called ketosis.

High levels of ketones in the blood reduce lipolysis of
fatty acids from stored fats in adipose tissue, so there
is a feedback loop of sorts which comes into play.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Reg Foulkess
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to my Powerlifting Sig
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.223031.25357@doug.cae.wisc.edu> wittmann@engr.wisc.edu
(art wittmann) writes:

>By the way, exactly what is 'legwrestling'?
>Art
>
  It's like armwrestling but you use your legs. :-)

--------------------------------
Reg Foulkes                             Bell-Northern Research
riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca           2745 Iris Street
Telephone :(613) 763-4131     Ottawa, Ontario., Canada  K1Y 4H7
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:14:50 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <Jul.30.00.00.04.1992.17899@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
>wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
>is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
>face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
>(and probably every other steroid under the sun).
>-- 

How can one tell from a "face" that someone has used steroids?  I know that
some steroids (i.e. Prednizone) give "moon-face" (i.e. a rounder face
than normal) but I didn't particularly notice it in Kirelin.  Also,
Slavic faces do sometimes seem "moonish" to me.  I wondered about
steroids, but the they mentioned on NBC last night that he weighed
15 pounds at birth!!! (About that time, 6 pound baby girls and 7 pound
baby boys would have been about average here in North America).  
His mother may have had gestational diabetes,
but if not it sure argues that genetically he was bound to be
bigger than average.  
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: jgaltstl.UUCP!terry@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:41:00 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul20.195507.3083@csi.uottawa.ca>, mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca 
(Maria Lantin) writes:
> 
> I read more than once that women in general sweat less than men.  The 
reason
> given for this is that the female body is more efficient at cooling down.
> I certianly have noticed that I sweat far less than my SO but that could
> just be coincidence.  Could any women out there concur?
> Nevertheless I think sweating is perfectly normal and shouldn't be 
considered 
> unhealthy.  
> 

Are you sure that less sweat means that a body is *more* efficient
at cooling? The body sweats in order to cool off. I think that the
person who sweats more is actually cooling off more efficiently 
than the 'non-sweater'.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Push-Up Suggestions!
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:12:06 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

My little brother has a bet with a friend that he can do 100 push-ups in a row
by the end of the summer (Aug. 31). Right now he can barely do 40. Does anyone
have any suggestions as to increase his endurance/strength in the areas of the
body used in push-ups. 

Thanks. 
---
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|__) (_) _) _)          or get out of the way  ''                Antony R Hare
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: smithlm@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Lisa Smith)
Subject: Re: Heartrates...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:21:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


> I know everyone's is different, but I'm curiu=ous what everyone's
> at-rest heart-rate is (and age, also).

I'm 24 and in fairly good shape.  My resting pulse has always been above 'normal', usually 90-95.  (With certain factors such as little sleep and tension, it can be even higher--I've had it at 145 once.)  My mother's heart rate is also high.  I've never had any problems with it, other than being turned down for blood donations now and then!  Interestingly, what I think my 'target rate' should be (when I think think I'm working at the right level of intensity) doesn't seem to be quite so skewed, only about 


10 above normal.

Lisa
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: love handles/K Cline
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul29.160105.45231
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

I guess I should have said exercising and dieting alone will not get rid
of love handles, which I still contend.

> I am going to reiterate my advice about
>excess midsection fat ('love handles') despite the worn out nature of
>this topic and other articles supporting the truth because you, Kathi,
>are wrong, and because I am tired of the argumentative, information
>free articles you have been posting.

The only way you're never going to be contradicted is if you kep your
mouth shut for the rest of your life.

In the meantime, if you, and your confederacy of dunces, Crick and
Washburn, have anything to say to me personally, you can send me 
email, which will be immediately ignored, just as your posts will be.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul21.191553.2639@nrao.edu> lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>In article <14584@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>...
>>I am 21.  I had been lifting for only 15 months when I maxed 340 (with a
>>pause) at a weight of 162.
>>
>>                                                        -Adam
>
>Adam,
>
>What weight were you doing on bench when you started lifting? (After, say,
>about a month?) Also, how much are you squatting [deep squats]?
>
>Luther


I'm really not sure.  I did lift for 3 months back in high school, and in the
3 month period, I was benching 295.  It went up very fast.  I still have the
stretch marks unfortunately.

What the hell is this?  Is everyone going to bust on my squats now?  :-)
Well, I can probably only max about 250 at this point.  I've never really
done any leg work at all including running or any sports using my legs.  I
promise I'm going to work on it.  One thing I can tell you is that I use
good form and go deep on the squats.  Screw my knees.  :-)  I have good
genetics for strength, so if I STICK with it, I won't have STICK legs anymore.

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
     **********************************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.sport.misc,rec.running
From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Subject: Appalachian Trail: PA->VA (was Re: Appalachian Trail: PA->MD)
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:29:01 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.170814.29713@sei.cmu.edu>, bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I'm planning a ~150 mile hiking trip along the Appalachian
|> Trail, between Pennsylvania and Maryland.  I'm planning the
|> trip for sometime in October or May (most likely May).

Oops.  I meant to type "Pennsylvania to Virginia."  (I may
meet up with people at Maryland, but the trip will originate
in PA and conclude in VA (precise point yet unknown).)  Sorry
for the error.

Barbara




--
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Help me gain ten pounds!!
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:18:37 GMT

uunet.edu!csfb1!dwarren@overmind.mind.org writes:

>  Q:  Any recommendations/changes to the regimen?

If you just want to gain weight, then you need to work the big muscles,
which means legs.

>  Q:  What is a reasonable time frame to hit my target?

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but here goes:  You can reasonably
expect to double your strength in the first 3 months of lifting, then
double it again in 5 years.  After 7 years, no further gains are possible,
although you will need to work hard to maintain that level of fitness.

>  Q:  How long to put on 10 lb of muscle?

(Inviting more flames)  Once past age 20, one pound a month is doing 
quite well.  Anything over that is probably fat.

Like you, I also run and bike (and swim) when I'm not lifting.  I started 
20 months ago on Nautilus and now do mostly free weights.  I have gone 
from 155 to 165 lbs in that time.  Also, I improved my running speed by 
30 seconds/mile in the marathon, even though I cut back my training from 
30 miles per week to 15.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: FAQ: Vitamin advice?
From: yeager@sc2a.unige.ch (Mark Yeager)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:44:58 +0200
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland

In article <1992Jul29.123911.239@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>,
loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

> Ken,  Vitamin E is NOT SAFE at high levels.  I'm currently doing research on
> Vitamin E and its effects on the immune systems of elderly people.  The RDA for
> Vit. E is 10mg/day which is relatively low.  We are supplementing our subjects
> with 800mg.  It is a fat soluble vitamin, but anymore over the 800mg, and you
> will have problems on your hands.  You can take more vitamin C than Vitamin
> E.

Could you please post some details/references? Thanks,

--   -.-
Mark Yeager  ->  yeager@cgeuge52.bitnet     yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
 University of Geneva, Dept. of Biochemistry, CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Exercise Bike Question
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Recumbent exercise bikes are nicer than upright exercise bikes, and
I'm told there have been four papers published in the past year that
confirm this. If you are determined to by a stationery, indoor,
exercise bike, at least get one that is recumbent.

Try before you buy. Also, remember that the computer gadgets that
come with the higher priced models are non-essential to a good
workout.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mukul@laser1.engr.utk.edu (Mukul Shirvaikar)
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Organization: University of Tennessee ECE dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:56:25 GMT

In article <Jul.30.00.00.04.1992.17899@remus.rutgers.edu>, clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
|> 
|> Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
|> wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
|> is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
|> face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
|> (and probably every other steroid under the sun).
|> -- 
|> Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
|> 
|> "In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
|>  of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
|>  on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_


He has passed all the drug tests to date. 

I wonder how you can "take one look at his face" and claim that  
he's used human growth hormone. 
If you are so good, the IOC could save a lot of money and time that
they spend on drug testing, by hiring you to look at people's faces.

Mukul
From: bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: FAQ
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Could someone please send me the FAQ for this newsgroup or tell 
me where to find it...

thanks.
Paul. 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: The misc.fitness TOP TEN list
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:45:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.101703.248@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>Listen BONEHEAD, my system was crashing and I had to log off before I could edit
>the damn thing.  To all of you other boneheads that emailed your intelligence to
>me, don't bother wasting my time with stupid-ass replys like that.  I'm sorry I
>wasn't able to cut it down, but under the circumstances, I didn't get a chance
>to.

Hmmmm.  Steroid rage or ephedrine-induced impatience?  You decide.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Arm Wrestling - Which Muscles ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:53:19 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <14617@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>Very funny, you net nerds!  :-)  I have to admit, I do have an ego.  It's not
>really big though.  Honest.  :-)

... at least, its not as big as you think *you* are!

Alright, I'll stop dammit.  Its just that its fun to bust on someone
again (since Poo and I don't do that anymore).

Ron

"net nerds"?  "net nerds" ??!!!!@#@!^@#@*
Thats it! Wait until your 14.875" arms meet up with my 15.625" pythons!
("pythons", of course, should be said with sarcasm)
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MY MATCHES! (was Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to...)
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:58:18 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <14640@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> In article <131252@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
> 
> 
>>When all you sissies Back East have finished stroking your egos, you can
>>come out here and tackle some Real Men, Adam!!
>>
>>...excuse me, while I go line up a good orthopedic surgeon :)
>>
>>-- Don (16.5625" arms) Roberts
>>--
>>   Don Roberts
>>   dwr@llnl.gov
> 
> Watch it, Stick!  :-)  I guess I didn't tell you I might be making a trip out
> to Arizona with one of my brothers in the next year.  WATCH OUT!
> 
> Me?  Have an ego?  ABSOLUTELY!
> 
> 							-Adam
> 
> -- 
>      **********************************************************************
>      *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>      *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>      **********************************************************************

Hey Don, you and I have the same arm size. Maybe you'd like to go at it with me,
or are you too much of a western "sissy".  How's your back and your forearms,
buddy?  Those who boast with little to back them up, usually end up in an
embarrasing (sp?) situation.
-Rob
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: book/reference on fitness topics
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:28:54 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <9207301428.AA17068@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>>From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
>>I'd like the book contain info on heart rates, target rate, metabolism,

>"The New Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey will tell you all of these things
>(and more).

Or possibly less, depending on the depth of your interest.  A substantial
step up, a pretty dense mouthful really, is _The Lore of Running_,
Noakes.  This is available in some mall bookstores, and covers much of
the physiology of exercise, with extensive references.

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler)
Subject: gymnastics
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
Distribution: misc
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:30:29 GMT


I used to love doing gymnastics in high school. I'm now 44 and overweight and
out of shape. I would like to get back in shape and then start doing gymnastics
again, even if at a very low level (I was never too good at it to begin with).

The problem is that at all the universities I have been, the gymnastic
equipment is unavailable except to the gymnastics team, if there is one.
So there are no opportunities to learn gymnastics and use gymnastic
equipment. I'm talking about parallel bars, horse, ropes, high bar, rings and 
tumbling.

So how does one find such opportunities?

I don't consider purchasing the equipment an option since I have no room for
it and since working alone would be hazardous and I wouldn't learn anything
and above all I can't afford it.

I assume that it will take me some time to get in shape, so I don't mind 
hearing a long term solution.

Allan Adler
ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: love handles
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:53:06 GMT


In a previous article, jathamez@wam.umd.edu (J A T) says:

>
>
>       To all you experts out there, please give me suggestions on how to get
>  rid of these annoying love handles.  I am looking for exercises that I  can
>  do in the privacy of my own home, since I do not have access to a gym.
>       Thank you very much.  Please reply by email if possible.

	I suggest amputation.  Since you want to do it at home, I also
suggest a dull kitchen knife.
 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.