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From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: "Protocols of Zion" and Arab Antisemitism
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:15:20 GMT

bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:

>This is completely ridiculous.  Arabs in Germany are not allies
>of the neo-Nazis burning hostels they are the victims of these.

>I know I am going to get a bunch of answers about the Mufti
>or other Arabs that did mistakenly ally themselves with 
>the Nazis or neo-Nazis, but they did it because they thought
>that this was a convenient way to fight a common enemy, not
>out of inherent Jew hating ideology.  

And precisely who was that common enemy?  Us?  The British, who fawned
over the Arabs, had already given 3/4 of Palestine to the Arabs, and
were falling all over themselves trying to make sure that no Jew
managed to escape from death at Nazi hands by making it to the one
place where people were willing to accept them, Eretz Yisrael?
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Arabic on the net (Re: was ArabTex , )
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:17:22 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <MALEK.92Dec13145145@mimosa.pi.titech.ac.jp> malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:
>Greetings all Arabic speaking people,
Salam.
> 
[a proposition about a coding scheme to write Arabic using Latin Characters].

  I think the best solution is to try to write & read Arabic using Arabic
characters. There's a discussion about this subject on a mailing list, i'll ask
the "administrator" (hi Alex :-)) to post a periodic announce on s.c.a for
those who wish to join the discussion.
  I'm working on such a project that'll (hopefully :-) permit to exchange Mail
and news in Arabic among Macintosh users. A possible port maybe done to X if the
experience is successful (i.e if enough people are interested and willing to
use it, given it'll be a Freeware or a non-expensive shareware i think the cost
will not be a problem).
  I'm posting an informal query to this group and to others that maybe also
interested by such a subject. Please send your answers to oueichek@imag.imag.fr.
  Your answers (and comments and wishing list) are welcome and will permit to
know what points i should focus on in order to provide a usable program.
Sorry if they sound very "technical", if you have any questions please send
them to me.

  1- What do you use to read the new/Mail in general ?.
    a- an alphanumeric terminal.
    b- a PC or a workstation emulating a terminal.
  2- In case you answered "a" to the first question, do you have access to a
  machine which falls in the "b" category ?. 
  3- If you have answered "b" to the first question, or if you have access to
  a PC or a workstation, which OS do they run ?.
	a- DOS
	b- Windows
	c- OS2
	d- MacOS.
	e- Unix/X
	f- other (please precise).
  4- Do you use Modem base connections or TCP/IP, or others (please precise).
  5- Are you interested in exchanging news/Mail in Arabic ?. Please don't 
  consider the software price to be a problem, given that it'll be a free or
  shareware.
  6- Can your news server handle VT100 terminals ?.
  7- If you are using a PC (IBM clone, Mac) to read the news, and connect via
  Modem, do you download files to your PC ?. If you do, which protocoles do
  you use ?. Xmodem, Ymodem, Zmodem, Others ?.

  If you have any remarks or questions about it please let me know. I'm mainly
  interested of Arabic speaking people, but the program should be able to
  handle Farsi and Hebrew without problems.

  Thanks.
From: P.Hasan@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Pervaiz Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: TODAY! TODAY! DEMONSTRATION - PAKISTAN EMBASSY - Re: PERSECUTION OF
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:58:58 GMT

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim

Assalam-o-alaikum Brs & Srs,

	There is a demonstration Today after Jumma at the Pakistan Embassy
in London (details are given below). 
When will the muslims wake up - Palestine, Kashmir, Bosnia, India ..... 
Every muslims should look at himself regarding each of these situtions and 
see if he/she has fullfilled his/her duty. 
Are the muslims not concerned that their Sister are getting raped that their
brothers are being tortured, and their children are being abused and killed.

"Anyonewho wakes up in the morning and does not care fore the affairs of the
Ummah, is not one us" Muhammed (SAW)
This is  what the Prophet (SAW) said, yet we find Muslims fail to respond
positively. 

The issue is not just the mosque, the issue is the muslim blood being so cheap.
Remember that the Prophet (saw) said that the blood of a muslim is worth more
than the Ka'aba and all its surroundings.
Think about the armies we have and the millitary might we possess, and yet
they do nothing but clean their weapons and target practice. Their orders from
the corrupt leaders is not wage Jihad but to suppress their own people from
calling for Jihad and Islam.

There are three way in which a muslim can fullfill his/her duty of Jihad :
 `.......By your Wealth, By your Tongue, By your Body`.

It is importent that the muslims in Britain support this Demonstartion.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

	  MUSLIMS OF INDIA, WILL THEIR CRY GO UNHEARD !!!!



  It is the duty ie fard of the Muslim governments to do everything
in their power to come to the aid of Muslims in India ;especially
those governments who are in close proximity to the area,like
Bangladesh and Pakistan.We would like to encourage the Pakistani
government to take the following measures:

  1) Break off diplomatic relations with India;maintaining any
relationship with a government presiding over  a vicious onslaught
against Muslims is totally unacceptable.

  2)Pakistan should lobby the Gulf States to impose a total trade
ban(especially an oil embargo) on India and expell all Hindus in their
territories.

  3)Additionally they should lobby all Muslim countries to break off
diplomatic ties with the murderous Indian regime.

  4)If Pakistan's Generals really want to undertake some
comprehensively Islamic action,then they should use all means
necessary to the lives,property and honour of Muslims in India.

DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRAT

PAKISTAN EMBASSY
LOWNDES SQUARE
LONDON SW1    (NEAREST TUBE:KNIGHTSBRIDGE)

FRIDAY 18TH DECEMBER
2.30pm

ORGANISED BY WESTMINISTER ISLAMIC SOCEITY
IN CONJUNCTION WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ISLAMIC SOCEITIES OF:
Imperial
LSE
Kings
UNL
UCL
South Bank
QMW
Brunel

Contact Mohammed on 071-723 5429.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Wasalaam
Pervaiz Hasan (UCL).


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: The Arab-Jewish Question (Re: Roger Carrasso)
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:52:17 GMT

In article <1foqd5INN1ts@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> 
|> oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
|> 
|>  >The Bible and the Koran are not "valid" because they have a migcal influence
|>  >on the believers (i'll not lie, i'm one of those believers).
|> 
|>  Very confused.  You say once "not valid" and then you're one of these
|>  belivers.  BTW, how can you argue that they are not valid?

Simple, they do not support the archaeological findings of ancient civilisations
that existed before the rise of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

|> 
|>  >And they rarely
|>  >offer a complete historical description of such events. WHEN did that happen
|>  >?, and why should we take what in the scriptures as granted without trying to
|>  >match the historical events to it ?.
|> 
|>  By the same token, how could you prove things in these holly books were not
|>  ture?  Have science and technology or your historical events proved otherwise?
|>  Is there any contradiction in what is in Quran and science/history?  I
|>  challenge you to give me one and only one example if you dare.

I will give you one. All three semitic religions beleive in the flood and
Noah's ark. A Sumerian epic of a great flood that resembles the story of Noah
has been located that date to the 3rd Millinium BC has been found. The epic
parallels the biblical story exactly, with the exception of Noahs family
branching. I challenge you to open your mind and think if you dare.

There are a number of ancient myths that have been incorporated in those
religions. The Egyptians had known that the Nile had a 7 year cycle and
consquently planned for it. This gave rise to the biblical story of the 7 fat
and 7 lean years. The Egyptians had a myth that considered pigs to be evil based
on an epic of their ancient religions.

|> 
|> >  I wish if Hamza stopped using categorizations like "a Jew like you" and
|> >"a Christian like you" (he already used this one in his discussion with
|> >Azeez). And if everyone in this forum stopped using arguments like "tell
|> >me your sect i tell you who you are".
|> 
|> What is wrong with that?  At least it shows who the person is.
|> Or do you value people to be equal no matter who they are?  You
|> have to understand that every one is standing for what s/he believes
|> in and if you don't have any beliefs to defend, try to get some and
|> defend them.  I am a proud to be a muslim and you can attatch this to
|> my name every time you mention it.

There is nothing wrong if you desire to be a hypocrite. Hypocrites do not value
people unless they are exactly like them, hypocrites. Religious hypocrites like
you are blind enough not to value the contribution of every member of a society
regardless of color, sex, and faith. Furthermore, they do not use their brains
to think and see that every one contributes in his own way.

A.Faris
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:24:06 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <nabeel.723842856@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>    Omar chased them off Khaibar when they attacked A. ibn Omar when he was
> visiting some gardens there. Omar did that in _no_ violation with the
> Prophets covenant with the Jews when he took over Khaibar.

It was Imam Ali who conquered Khaibar and Omar had little contribution
towards that.  Please set the historic record clear in your mind.

regards,

Asad.
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Poem Update (Thesis, Version 3.01)
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:37:12 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

A friend of mine pointed out that there was a poor connection between
the first and second lines of the poem, so this line is to be inserted
to bridge the gap:

saq_A al-ll_ahu dAraN kAnat-i al-.hibbu badrahA
      yu.hIlu mu.hayyAhA du^g_A al-llayli mu^smisA \\
 
% May God send rain to the ruins of the house of which my beloved was
% the full moon that used to turn the darkest of nights (into a) sunny
% (day)

This line is to be inserted after <wa na.hru .gazAliN ...> line to
enhance its meaning (to become the new nineth line:)

atAki nabIluN rA^giyaN wa.sla .gAdaTiN
      falA taqtulI bi-al-ll_ahi .sabbaki bi-al-'as_A \\
 
% "The author" came hoping to be together with you
% for God's sake do not kill your ardent lover with grief


If someone has a decent knowledge about poetry is interested, I can
send them the organised postscript file for them to be able to provide
better criticism.

If you think this poem can be improved by anyway, please, share your
comment with the author. Praise is useless, only criticism pushes the
job forward.

** ana alla_dI na.zara al'a`mA ilA 'adabI
      fa.gAdara al.hayya qad amsA bihI .samamU


_________________________\    Any resemblance between the above opinions and
   __      ___ __     ___     those of real or fictitious  persons is purely
 /V  \   /V   V  \   /   \    coincidental.
 /   /   /   /   /  /   _    
/   /_  /   /   /_  \__//     "Now, the time is moving on
____________________ _/___    and I really should be gone"--Brotherhood of Man
\ Nabeel M Ghuzlaan //                        in "Save All Your Kisses For Me"
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Let's conratulate her...
Date: 12 Dec 1992 05:46:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


BOSNIA AID BECOMES A PERSONAL MISSION 
 
December 10,1992 
 
BY ALEX TIZON 
 
Seattle Times 
 
 SEATTLE - A newspaper story about war atrocities in the 
former Yugoslavia has inspired a Seattle-area woman to drop 
everything, collect relief supplies and deliver them in 
person to needy refugees in the war-torn region~ 
 Susan Conley of Lake Forest Park will fly out of Seattle-
Tacoma International Airport this morning with 10 boxes of 
winter coats, boots, toys and antibiotics. 
 Her destination: a rural village in  Bosnia-Herzegovina  
named Mijkovici, which has been occupied and razed by 
Serbian soldiers, leaving 49 farming families to live among 
the ruins. 
 "l've never done anything like this," said Conley, 29, a 
communications specialist for an electronics company in 
Redmond, Wash . , east of Seattle . "I am a very methodical 
person. I live a very planned life . " 
 C;onley said she had been following the developments in the 
former Yugoslavia, feeling bad for the land ~nd the people 
she had visited as a tourist two years ago. Then, a little 
over a week ago, she picked up a copy of the Seattle Times, 
which had a front-page story about rape victims in Bosnia. 
 The article's description of one victim, a 60-year-old 
woman.~, who had been gang-raped by Serbian soldiers and 
left devastated and hopeless, especially moved Conley. 
 "It made me want to help her somehow, give her something, 
anything so that she would see there is still love in the 
world." 
 She dug up a flier she had picked up in a church in 
Scottsdale, Ariz., soliciting aid for Bosnian and Croatian 
victims. She called the number and was told four people from 
Scottsdale were leaving for Mijkovici, and that she could go 
with them. 
 "The moment I told her 1 would go 1 was panicked," Conley 
said. "1 was thinking, `What have 1 gotten myself into?' " 
She said she has felt every emotion, including out-and-out 
fear. 
 She felt that fear: most recently while getting travel 
inoculations. her doctor asked if she wanted to borrow his 
bulletproof vest. She said yes. 
 The outpouring of help and support from friends and family 
has helped calm the fear, Conley said. She even managed to 
persuade a friend to come along on her eight-day relief 
mission. 
 "People think we're crazy, but that's all right," said John 
Bucy, 31 , a computer-software engineer from Renton, Wash. 
 Conley and Bucy will take time off work and pay for their 
trip, which is estimated to cost about $2,600 each, with 
their savings. 
 "I won't be buying Christmas presents this year," Conley 
said. 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:5792 soc.culture.misc:482 soc.misc:1090 alt.sex:40061
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Political cleansing in Egypt
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:02:22 GMT

In article <28191@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:

Dave, you clearly have many misconceptions about Islam and Islamists that
you are not willing to correct, you also are not willing to admit how
tyrannical and corrupt the governments are.

You are blaming the economy, but who is responsible for the economy?
belive me, if Tunisia, Algeria, and to a lessor extent Egypt have been
under a democratic government, they would have surpassed South Korea
in economic growth... When you have a government that is not accountable
for its actions, you cannot have growth.. If you are not convinced
consider the following factors:
1)The ruling gang is free to make deals with foreign companies and
discourage industrialization by sabotaging local industry.. Nobody
has the authority to investigate
2)The ruling gang can effectively steal from the profiting sectors
and make them even  or losing and continue investing in losing sectors 
just because they do not want their agents to lose their jobs..
3)The ruling party is not motivated to generate good plans for the
economy, it is assured of winning all elections.

those three factors and many others exist in Tunisia, and are possible
in all dictatorial states (and remember, if it can happen it will happen
you know :-)

I do not care personally if Islamists or others* are in power what matters
is a representative and accountable government.
So far only Islamists dared to work toward that end,
Got a problem with that, blame YOUR BUUDIES for their inaction.
*this has to be explained, but i do not have time.
=============================================================
Modified Murphy's first law of realistic probability:
If it can happen, it will happen...
Unless of course "it" is a good thing.
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Ilyess Ben Ali Bdira    Montreal Quebec  Canada
E-mail ilyess@ECE.concordia.CA, benali@alcor.concordia.CA
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)
Subject: Re: 'Riba' and Interest (was: Re: Civilization bandwagon)
Keywords: Riba, interest, Islam, economics, humor
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:46:10 GMT

In article <88851@bcsaic.boeing.com> zayan@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ahmed Zayan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.033714.3346@cs.wisc.edu> ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:
>>
>>I am glad you raised the issue of the 'Tawzeef ElAmwal' scandal. Does any
>>one have the latest update to the status of El-Rayan, el-Sa3d, and other
>>heroes of the greatest economic fiasco in the modern history of Egypt, that
>>devoured the lifetime savings of thousands of hard working Egyptians ?
>>
>>Nabil
>>

[ very amusing stuff deleted ]

Thanx a lot for the humor Ahmed. 
I think we need a lot of it these
days. You know the end of semester 
and other stuff! Keep it up :-)

>Ahmed B. Zayan
>
>maSry not egyptian

Is this a linear transformation ?
i.e. ra(g/j)oll not a man ?
Just curious ...

Nabil

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         /  Nabil Ayoub                        ____/   __  /    ____/  /
        /  Engine Research Center             /       /   /    /      /
       /  Dept. of Mechanical Engineering    ___/    __  /    /      /
      /  University of Wisconsin-Madison    /       /   |    /      /
     /  Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu  _____/ __/   _|  _____/  /
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.religion.islam
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Monsieur Rossignol)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:19:55 GMT

CAUTION

   This article may be rated X or higher by some bigots. Please,
if you will be offended, do yourself and me a favour and skip.

I said: "Skip!" Your last chance!


In <1992Dec13.195113.2436670@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:

" If the human anus hole happened to be at the bottom of the foot, do you
" think the homosexuals will seek it as well? Or is it because it is
" near the area of a woman's vegina, it tends to appear like one?

   And I thought you, Lebanese, "are cutting the fish and its tail!"
No, John, this is not the reason. Koran says that Sodom used to take
men for lust. Their biggest problem was lusting after men, if they
did the same to women (anal sex) I think their position would have
been much better.

   When a man lusts after a man, in a society where oral sex is considered
disgusting, there is not much they can do other than anal sex, especially
that they were barbaric unlike the Greek (Greek homosexuals did not
commit sodomy). When a man wants to have sex with another man, there is
one way to do it.

   Another problem with your theory is that homosexual men show little
interest in commiting heterosexual sodomy, but their interest in that is
still higher than theirs in having vaginal sex (with women, of course.)
Probably they fantasise that they are having sex with a man!

   The most important problem in your post is that you completely ignore
that the anus (not anus hole) is considered to be an erogenous zone and
that sexual pleasure is usually shared by both sides of the equation.
Some people like to be sodomised, others like to sodomise. Heterosexual
sodomy can either be persued by the woman or the man. I have a hunch that
probably it was started by a woman. (Those seemingly innocent devils!)

" Is it ok to seek other holes such as the belly botton, ear, nose, 
" ...etc?

   Be realistic! They seek every useful hole, e.g. mouth. It is beyond
the scope of this article to give a tutorial about love making varieties
and fetishes.

" As to emission of seman, it is irrelevant because  that could occur
" without penetration of any kind;   wet dreams, masterbation, ...etc
" cause emision as well.

   That is true, but when it occurs when you are awake, it means that
you are excited and if it occurs in a sexual intercourse the odds that
it is relevant to what is going on.

" jle

             _
 |\_________(@)= |CENSORED|    The above is filthy fiction. I hope
   \_\  --/ _/                  you enjoyed it. Have a good week.
     \=====/       "wa lI qalamon  fI 'onmolI  'in hazaztohO            
        ||            famA  .duRunI   'aLA  'ahoZa   lmohaNadA
        ~~          'i_thA .sUla fawqa .Tirsi waq^o .sarIrihI
                     fa'iNa  .sulIla  lmashrafiYi  lahO  .sudA" 
                                           -- ibn Sana' Al-Mulk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: Does the PLO Represent the Palestinian Arabs?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:39:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.020237.12364@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>The PLO claims to represent the Palestinian Arabs.  In that case, how
>can it stand silently by while Palestinian Arabs are perpetuating
>murderous acts against innocent people, the cold-blooded murder of Mr.
>Toledano being only the latest?

  Mr. Toledano was a soldier. The act is not murderous, it is justified. When
is the last time France condemned the "cold blooded muder" of Nazi soldiers
during World War II? Should they?


Mazen Mokhtar