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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:19:38 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Questions on Cruise 2

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From: Jan Eveleth <eveleth@nwnet.net>
Subject: RE: Questions on Cruise 2

        Regarding Merit's Cruise 2:  after correcting the version
        of our video driver, our student tech got the Cruise to
        run successfully under Windows 3.1.

        The Cruise is very appealling visually.  It gives brief
        overviews of e-mail, ftp, and telnet.  Gopher, archie,
        and WAIS are each presented and four often used and
        diverse resources are highlighted:  SpaceLink, Weather
        Underground, HPCWire (supercomputing focus), and Handicap
        News Archives.

        The form of this "video" presentation of the Internet
        is a stark contrast to the plain-text presentation that
        is the Internet in reality.  While I enjoyed the Cruise,
        it's not clear to me what the best context is for making
        it available and who's the best target audience.  This
        version is definitely better (more comprehensive information)
        than an earlier mac version I'd looked at.

        If you use the Cruise at your site, I'd be interested to
        hear how you presented it or made it available, who your
        audience was, and what their response was.  I suspect the
        folks at Merit who labored to put this together would
        also be interested!

  |  Jan Eveleth                                                |
  |  NorthWestNet                         (206) 562-3000        |
  |  15400 SE 30th Place, Suite 202       (206) 562-4822 fax    |
  |  Bellevue, WA  98007                   Eveleth@nwnet.net    |
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Resent-From:  "Bennett J. Price" <BJPRICE@UCSFVM>
From:         BOBRW@ids.net
Subject:      RE: Questions on Cruise 2

I've successfully run Cruise2 with a VGA board set to 640x480x256 colors,
as the readme file suggests.  The version I have was handed out by Merit
at Interop.  The executable is meritcrs.exe, size of 1,399,810 dated
10/21/92 3:56 pm.

Bennett J. Price        bjprice@ucsfvm.bitnet    bjprice@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu
(510) 482-3390
From: VB7R1001@SMUVM1.BITNET (Carolyn Kacena)
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Subject: Job Announcement - Senior Systems Analyst
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:22:27 GMT
Organization: Southern Methodist University
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Please share the following with potential applicants:

Southern Methodist University

Senior Systems Analyst

Computing & Information Services invites applications for a Senior
Systems Analyst I to lead their NOTIS systems development team in
collaboration with the SMU Libraries and their staff members.
Requires a degree and four years analysis/programming experience
including significant IBM mainframe experience and at least two
years library automation experience, preferable with the NOTIS,
Inc. library system.  Demonstrated skill in CICS, SAS, JCL and
VSAM is required; working knowledge of PL/I, Basic Assembly
Language, C, COBOL and UNIX is highly desirable.  A successful
candidate for this position will have excellent interpersonal
skills, a high degree of self-motivation, and the ability to
operate in a team environment.  Southern Methodist University
offers excellent working conditions, comprehensive benefit
packages, and tuition benefits for employee and family.

Submit a resume along with a cover letter stating your interest by
November 23, 1992.

Send to: Senior Analyst I Search
              SMU P.O. Box  232
              Dallas, TX 75275

Southern Methodist University is an Affirmative Action Equal
Opportunity Employer
From: GHERMAN@VTVM1.BITNET (Paul Gherman)
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Subject: Re: Library Use of Net-based Documents
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:51:38 GMT
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              4 Nov 1992 10:09:17 CDT from <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Michael Strangelove's question about how libraries will handle the growing
amount of e-literature on the net seems antisipate the wrong answer. The
growing amount of literature on the net should be available to users directly
via the net and not through intermediaries. What we need to concentrate on
is creating electronic finding aids that the net user can find these sources
and access them and print them out at their own work-station. Libraries
have not delt with this "gray literature" in the past, and I doubt that they
will in the future. Instead we need to concentrate on the "meta-structure of
information" in the future.
The American Physical Society suggested over a year ago that they might
create the National Physics database with all physics literature. A similar
model could be envisioned for other disiplines. Why not a religion database
where this gray literature on religion is cumulated or atleast indexed and
abstracted with pointers to the location on the net.
If we are to create the virtual library, we need to change our thinking
from locally created finding aids, to the virtual access mechanism which
takes the user to the e-source. The problem is that we do not have
institutions whose mission it is to create these new mechanisms on a national
or international level. Our libraries see their mission as creating local
access to local ownership, instead we need to direct our energies to creating
a new meta-structure of information which will probably be disipline oriented.


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From: JMUEG@NCSUVM.BITNET (John M. Unsworth)
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Subject: clarification on PMC/OUP
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:55:50 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A number of people who saw our announcement of the fact that Oxford
UP will publish _Postmodern Culture_ have written to ask whether this
means that the e-mail version of PMC will no longer be free.  I hadn't
intended the original announcement to be ambiguous on this point:
PMC *will* continue to be distributed free of charge in its e-mail
incarnation.  Moreover, the disk and fiche rates are the same rates we
have been charging since September of 1990, when we began publishing
PMC.  For the record, copyright policy will continue essentially
unchanged as well, with copyright assigned to the authors.

John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:45:45 CDT
From:         Joan Eslinger <wombat@kilimanjaro.key.amdahl.com>
Subject:      Re: the MLS
              09 Nov 92 10:55:28 CDT." <9211091752.AB04164@charon.amdahl.com>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I, too, am a computer person interested in libraries who is put off by
the MLS requirement in job offers. Actually, I say "computer person"
even though the only degree I hold is in aeronautical & astronautical
engineering -- I've been working on computer operating systems since I
left school. The small group I work in has another aero/astro engineer,
though our work has nothing to do with that field.

The company I started working for after school employed quite a few
non-computer people as programmers, system designers, managers, etc. The
leader of one programming group was, in fact, a librarian. Others held
degrees in music, theoretical & applied mechanics, English literature,
philosophy, engineering physics, math, etc. Several had no degree at
all. Ability to understand and use new concepts and tools seems to have
been more important than what you happened to study in school.

While in college, I was interested in taking library science classes but
most were restricted to students registered in the school of library
sciences.

I've seen several replies on this thread saying that computer people
just don't do things the same way a librarian would. I think it's fair
to say that most librarians don't do things the same way a computer
scientist would. I've found computer people to be pretty open-minded
about a lot of things - just because they think one way is better
doesn't mean they aren't willing to listen to why a librarian thinks
another way is better. They will challenge you to defend existing
procedures and policies in light of new or changed assumptions, though.

Wouldn't it be best to set up the new gateways to the information nets
using the best of both worlds? That's what cross-fertilization is all
about.

Joan Eslinger
wombat@key.amdahl.com
I just work for Amdahl; I don't speak for it
From: dmattiso@cue.bc.ca (David Mattison)
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Subject: Visit of Dr. Tom Grunder to British Columbia
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:59:55 GMT
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As part of his first visit to British Columbia, Dr. Tom Grunder, originator
of the Free-Net concept and founder of the Cleveland Free-Net, will be
giving a public lecture in Victoria on Monday, November 16 at 8 p.m. at the
Ramada Inn, 3020 Blanshard St. Admission by donation. Further information
can be obtained by phoning 384-2450 or 385-4302 (Victoria).

Dr. Grunder will also be launching the Victoria Free-Net, British Columbia's
first Free-Net, the same day.

His visit will begin on Saturday, November 14 with an address to the
Computer Using Educators of BC Horizons '92 Conference at the Hyatt Regency
Hotel, Vancouver. The title of his conference talk is "Managing the
Infosphere: Community Computing and Canadian Education."

David Mattison, Secretary
Victoria Free-Net Association
From: LIDA@UMDD.BITNET (LIDA LARSEN)
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Subject: RESEARCH ON OPAC HELP DESKS
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:53:27 GMT
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Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Is anyone aware of research or studies of University OPAC "help desks?"

I am interested in help desks for staff.  Areas of interest include query
content analysis, complexity and frequency.

Please respond to me directly:  Lida L. Larsen
                                LIDA@UMDD.UMD.EDU
                                University of Maryland at College Park
From: LAWS@ai.sri.com (Ken Laws)
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Subject: Re: Caste barriers in universities
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:52:10 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

> "applicants must have an MLS degree"

As Bill Arms notes, the MLS is nearly always required in
job ads on PACS-L -- even for library automation jobs that
would otherwise be of interest to readers of my AI newsletter.
It's like saying "CS degree holders need not apply," which
may be a stronger statement than the advertising institution
intends to make.  I'm not really interested in whether this
is "guild behavior," but I do urge advertisers to consider
softening the MLS requirement.  There are plenty of good
MS and PhD computer scientists looking for work, and some of
them might be interested in entry-level library positions.
The cross fertilization could be good for both our fields.

					-- Ken


Dr. Kenneth I. Laws; (415) 493-7390; laws@ai.sri.com.
Computists International, an AI/IS/CS mutual-aid association.
Ask about my career newsletter, The Computists' Communique.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:41:58 CDT
From:         "(Arch Slide Library)" <slides@ced.berkeley.edu>
Subject:      Re: NEW LIST: e-jrnl for a/v librarianship - Call for
              Contributions
              Sackman" at Nov 9, 92 11:00 am

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
What does academic media librarianship include and exclude?
I run a slide library, full of slides which are media, and
the library is academic, supports instruction, serves faculty
and students.  I think of myself as a visual resources
librarian, not a media librarian.  I handle primarily
one media, 35 mm slides, not videotapes, films, tapes,
cd's.  Is that the distinction?
Maryly Snow
Architecture Slide Library
Univ. California, Berkeley
slides@ced.berkeley.edu
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:36:57 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      National Trade Databank

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From:         Terry Brainerd Chadwick <CWTC@PSUORVM>
Subject:      Re: National Trade Databank
The National Trade Data Bank is available on CD-ROM from the US Department
of Commerce, Economics and Statistics Administration, Office of Business
Analysis, Room 4885, HCHB, Washgington D.C. 20230.  It is updated monthly
on two disks.  The cost per month is $35; per year is $360.

To my knowledge, there is nothing else equivalent to the NTDB.  The
OECD and IMF CDs/diskettes are primarily statistical.  The NTDB has
statistics, especially US detailed trade statistics, but also contains
more than 4,000 market research reports, Business America magazine, the
World Factbook, Foreign Traders Index and much more.

I have not located an online site for the NTDB yet.
Terry Brainerd Chadwick
InfoQuest! Information Services
cwtc@psuorvm.bitnet or cwtc@psuorvm.cc.pdx.edu
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From: KUCHI@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject: Re: National Trade Databank
Hi, the National Trade DataBank can be accessed at most depository
libraries. It is available only on CD-ROM or Microfilm. The CD-ROM is
easier to search. It has two search mechanisms: Browse and Romware, the
easier one is Browse. If you are looking for country information for
trade, especially addresses and product info, a good place to start is
the Foreign Traders Index. If you are looking for general
imports/exports info you can also look at the other sources/topics
available within NTDB. You can take a look at the COMMERCE database also
available from the same source. However, information is arranged by the Products
    in this
case. These are two good sources to begin with. I hope this information
is helpful.
Triveni Kuchi
Information Services,
Alexander Library
Rutgers University
169, College Avenue
New Brunswick, NJ-08901
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:46:45 CDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Last Comments on Lurkers

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Oh, come, come. . .let's not be so pithy.

There is a perfectly good English term for those who watch and listen
but do not participate, and while it is not the most wonderful of the
words in the English language, it is fairly beautiful. . .

wallflowers.

That should not have quite the negative connotations, denotations, or
whatever that "lurkers" had, and might encourage more to come in, and
join the dance, much as the power elite users might prefer them to do
otherwise.

I strenuously object to the comments labeled as the:

Last Comments on Lurkers

and I assure you that they were NOT the last.

I would like to see a "Wallflowers Week" be a part of the agenda for
the year on each of the lists I participate in, and further warn you

"If You Don't Defend The Networks, Who Will?"

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:57:02 CDT
From:         Ken Laws <LAWS@ai.sri.com>
Subject:      WAIS and Copyright

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Hi!

I have a problem that PACS-Lers may be able to resolve.

I've been offered a chance to put back issues of my newsletter,
the Computists' Communique, on a WAIS server for unrestricted
access over the internet.  I'd love to do it, but I'm worried
about retaining control of the text.  Much of the material is
still valuable to me, as I can republish the "timeless" bits
in book format.  I don't want to find myself competing with
anyone else selling or giving away the same bits of text.

The question is, what implicit permissions do I give if I give
explicit permission for this one WAIS service?  If the material
is broken out into individual news items, there won't be a
copyright notice with each one.  [Well, there could be ...
but that's ugly and tacky.]  Would I have any right to stop
someone from downloading the collection and selling it in
another form?  Or does providing the information on WAIS
put it in the public domain?

Copyright is less problematic if I allow WAIS to distribute
only whole newsletters.  Even then, do I need to add a special
notice barring republication and commercial use?  That would
seem to be a contract of adhesion, although it could be stated
as full copyright protection minus a few rights that I choose
to give up.  I can at least make my intent clear.  I'd rather
just have leave the standard copyright notice in place, but
it seems silly to say that no one can copy the material that
I'm putting on a WAIS server for free distribution.

Any thoughts on walking this cliff edge?

                                        -- Ken Laws
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:58:26 CDT
From:         Robert Bocher <RBOCHER@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject:      FTP site for Clinton Technology Plan

----------------------------Original message----------------------------


The Clinton campaign issued a document entitled "Technology: The
Engine of Economic Growth" in late Sept.  Does anyone have an FTP site
where this can be found?

In a related matter, anyone interested in a good overview of the Clinton
plan for high technology, including networking, should read the article
on p. B5, 6 in Tuesday's (11-10) NY Times.


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From: JILIU@ucs.indiana.edu (Jian Liu)
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Subject: How to uncompress and untar files in DOS
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:58:49 GMT
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Dear Editors,
     I sent the following to a friend in answer to his question on how to
uncompress and untar a unix file in the format of file.tar.Z.  I thought
people in this list might also be interested.

Thanks

Jian

**********************************************

Files ending in xxx.tar.Z are done in unix style.  To process them in DOS,
you need to do the following:

When ftp the files, rename them so that they conform to the dos style.
For example, to ftp a file called file.tar.Z, do this (assuming you've
already set to binary mode):

get file.tar.Z file.taz

After you get the file this way, you need two other programs, one to
uncompress it, and the other to untar it.
Both programs can be ftped from

info.umd.edu

under

info/Computers/PC/Unix (This site is case sensitive)

The files are:

compress.zip
tar.zip

Get the two files in binary mode, and unzip them.
Read the doc for compress.exe.  (You need copy it to uncompre.exe)
Run uncompre.exe as follows:

uncompre file.taz (this is the unix file you've ftped.)

The result is a file called file.ta  (When you uncompress a file in unix,
     				       say, file.tar.Z, you get file.tar)

Run tar.exe as follows:

tar -xvf file.ta  (I am not quite sure about the options here. You may
     		   need to read the doc file more carefully.)

and the files will be untared and ready for use.

Good luck.

Jian
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:49:39 CDT
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Subject:      Words, Fun, Degrees

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From: jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe, Microcomputer & Network Services)
Subject: Re:  Words, fun, and degrees

Let's face it, librarians meet in Atlanta, New Orleans and Miami
in July and go to Chicago in January.

Actually, I thought that systems librarians and computing types in
libraries had the best of both worlds.  They were for some strange
reason cooler than other librarians and apparently more worldly
than the typical programmer/analyst.  ;-)  Lee Jaffe
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From: Steven Kirby <kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Words, fun, and degrees

I'll second Mary's comments, including the ones about the fun had at the
state meeting.  But to dispell these nasty rumors about librarians not
being able to have fun, I'd like to point out that last time ALA was in
Chicago, the conference hotels reported that the librarians drank more
beer than the attendees at the American Bowling Congress meeting when it
was there.  Friends, that's some serious drinking!  I'm not sure that the
consumption of alcohol is a reliable barometer of "having fun", but this
was no straight-laced meeting of "prune-faced old ladies with their hair
up in buns", either.  (Fact is, I'd give about anything to have enough
hair to *put* in a bun!) :-)

Steven Kirby
University of Georgia
kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu
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