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From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Subject: Horse sense 
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:55:21 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Nice attention getter for a title,eh wot? To be serious I'll add my
two cents: First I have to give Rosalie a big hooyah(military parlance
for "attaboy" whoops! attagirl!) for her attitude. This ? was done in
excellent taste. My suggestion to be added to the bell/hunter orange
would be for one or two of the inexpensive red strobes that are
available from running/biking stores. They typically run on 2 AA
batteries and cost about $16. One on each arm or on your saddle will
show up real nice. They are noiseless and won't spook the horse
either. Come to think of it I think I saw them in the Sportsmans
Guide.  Ain't science great?

Re: the knife thread I'll add some advice on sharpening. Having
retired as a diving officer a few years ago I've had my share of
"sharpeners". The only one that has given me the consistency needed is
the Lansky. Its slick and you know Navy divers have everything from
folding Case to Kabars. We cut things you would reach for an axe for!
Lanskys work. And I vote for a serrated edge for most cutting. The
ideal blade for every day use would have the first 1" smooth and the
rest serrated. Works for me!

Just my 2 cents!


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:43:15 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075435.9611@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   brcarls@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian R. Carlson) writes:
>The #1 most important thing that I MUST have in a skinning knife is a
>guthook.
>
>I dressed hundreds of deer with a plain old gerber before I discovered
>the wonders of a guthook.  I now use a gerber bolt-lock with a guthook,
>That guthook makes skinning a deer as easy as if he had built in zippers.
 
 
OK, I'll show my ignorance and ask:  what is a gut hook?
 
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From: ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Mt. Lions DO STALK
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:49:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Sep25.094230.27478@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mailrus!gatech!col.hp.com!kd4nc.ampr.org!hp-col!drs@uunet.UU.NET (Don Simmons) writes:
>
>       Just a note - Mountain Lions DO STALK People !!!!!!

 
 Oh my gosh!  A bowhunter's dream come true.  Excellent!   

 Shoot big, heavy arrows!  Take a back up gun.  Can you guys send that 
 cat down here with a breeding mate?

 Like a hunting buddy said to me on our last trip out on a Javelina hunt
 when I told him jokingly of two (yes TWO) reports of Javelinas treeing
 bowhunters (NOT!!!!!!!!!! -- they just ain't that tough) ... 

 "It might be interesting hunting something that would hunt you back."

 I'd very much like to hear more about this.

 Shawn Boyd
 Austin, Texas
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From: smithm@cstr.ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew Jacob Smith)
Subject: magazine poll
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:55:08 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

 Well with the suggestions from several pieces of email, I've decided
to turn my curiosity of favorite magazines into a more formal poll.
so send email to me, and tell me what your favorite 3 hunting magazines
are, your 3 least favorite, the type of hunting that you are primarily
interested in, and any specialized hunting magazines that you feel really
stand out. I'll compile all of the responses and post them in ~2weeks or
so. I'll also post any comments on specific magazines if you feel that 
they are warrented. My email address is smithm@cn.ecn.purdue.edu  

On a side note it looks like I'll be sitting opening weekend of Ohio's
Bow season out this year, due to being unable to catch a ride back to 
Cincy, It's not all bad though, next weekend is a four day weekend :-)
and I plan to be out every minute of it.     Good luck
						Matt Smith
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: "Horsing" geese
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:54:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


All this talk of horses reminds me of horsing geese. I happened
to mention the technique to a guy last fall, and lo and behold he
went home and made one out of plywood. The next week, he and two
other buddies tried it out on a bunch of snow geese. They managed
to get within 20 yards of the flock and knocked down about a
dozen when the smoke cleared. A guy watching them from the road
then ran over to say that it was the craziest and most productive
hunting technique he'd ever seen.  The fact that the "horse" had
6 legs didn't seem to matter to the geese. Of course, snows
aren't noted for their brain power.
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From: eburns@ADS.COM (Edward Burns)
Subject: Re: which steel shot for ducks/pheasants
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:43:04 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep25.094242.27511@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.084120.24662@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>   eburns@ADS.COM (Edward Burns) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep22.084521.17526@doug.cae.wisc.edu> adpgate!hcs@uunet.uu.net (Howard Schultz) writes:
>>>
>>>i want to shoot ducks if i come across some, which steel shot should i use
>>>for both pheasant and duck???
>>>
>>>#4 steel????
>>
>>I think you're in an "in-between" area here.  #4 is fine for
>>pheasant, but in this case, it's probably not enough for the
>>ducks.  If you were shooting over decoys I would say #4 is
>>okay, but you'll probably get passing and jump shots while
>>pheasant hunting and at those ranges #4 is too small.  I'd
>>suggest using #2 shot and not risk wounding and losing the
>>ducks.  I know that's a bit large for pheasant.
> 
> 
>Strange.  #4 steel is what I use almost exclusively.  The only time
>I use a bigger shell is if the possibility exists that I may get a
>shot at a goose; in that case I'll use #2's.  Most of my duck hunting
>is done on a lake, over decoys.

Then we agree.  I mentioned above that *if* he were shooting
over decoys #4 would be good.  I hunt over decoys and only use
#2 if it's very windy.  It's just that I would guess his shots
at ducks are going to be longer than yours and mine because they
will be incidental while hunting pheasants.  I think the energy
in #4 shot bleeds off enough over 35-40 yards that it would make
his shots a little risky.

Ed




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Subject: Administrivia - The Rec.Hunting Archives
Organization: Los Alamos Case & Cartridge
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:53:00 CDT
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From: SCHULTZ@admin1.usask.ca (Robert Schultz)
Subject: Re: Knife Makers
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:46:07 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

	I'm not a knife maker, but I know of a good local contact (by
trade a professional engraver) who does fantastic works of art on
firearms, knives etc.  No he does not engrave the little trophy plates
- his specialty is firearms!

	Vladimir Vancura
	#4 322 6th Ave. North
	Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
	S7K 2S5
	phone (306) 244-9744

	If you contact Vladimir, you can tell him you heard of him
>from me, Robert Schultz (through the net of course). I'll tell him
your coming....

	Sorry, he doesn't have access to email, you are best to
contact him directly.


Rob.
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From: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: .270 vs .308 for Texas deer hunting
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:46:12 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

chris@unt.edu (Chris Gleaves) writes:
>   In November, I will get to go deer hunting for the first time.  I have
> a choice of using either a .270 or a .308 and I was wondering if I could
> get some input from yall concerning the pros and cons of both calibers, and
> recommendations on which is better in your opinion.  Also, I'm interested in 
> the trajectory of both calibers as well as the "knock down power" of both,
> as well as any other info you deem important. 

Here is a bullet comparison using Federal Premium's:

.270 using a 150 gr. Boat Tail:

Muzzle Velocity: 2850 fps
Velocity at 300 yards: 2300 fps
Energy in Foot Pounds - at the Muzzle: 2705
Energy at 300 yards: 1760

Trajectory sighted in at 200 yards:
100 yards: +1.7  inches
200 yards: 0   
300 yards: -7.4 inches
400 yards: -21.4 inches
500 yards: -43.0 inches


.308 using a 165 gr. Boat Tail:

Muzzle Velocity: 2700 fps
Velocity at 300 yards: 2160 fps
Energy in Foot Pounds - at the Muzzle: 2670
Energy at 300 yards: 1700

Trajectory sighted in at 200 yards:
100 yards: +2.0  inches
200 yards: 0   
300 yards: -8.4 inches
400 yards: -24.3 inches
500 yards: -49.0 inches

If I were to make this  decision I would go with the .270 since it has
a better  trajectory.  I would  imagine all of your  shooting  will be
under 300 yards and 3-4 inches can make a big  difference.  If you are
planning to hunt in other  states like here in  Colorado  than I would
suggest  getting a bigger  gun like a .7mm mag or a .300  mag.  but of
course that is just my opinion.  I use a .300 mag for Antelope,  Deer,
and Elk.  I just change my bullet size accordingly.

Here are the .7mm ballistics for comparison:

.7mm magnum using a 165 gr. Boat Tail:

Muzzle Velocity: 2950 fps
Velocity at 300 yards: 2510 fps
Energy in Foot Pounds - at the Muzzle: 3190
Energy at 300 yards: 2300

Trajectory sighted in at 200 yards:
100 yards: +1.5  inches
200 yards: 0   
300 yards: -6.4 inches
400 yards: -18.4 inches
500 yards: -36.6 inches

Dave "2 days till Elk camp, 6 days till opening day... am I excited?...
      slightly..." Fleck
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Monthly Posting - the Rec.Hunting Charter
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:53:12 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos Case & Cartridge
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

This is a monthly posting that describes rec.hunting...

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From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:54:57 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

 >From: barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel)

 >I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
 >if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
 >for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
 >knife good enough?


I've had very good luck with my Buck folding knife - I'm not sure which
model it is, though it looks just like the folding hunter in the latest
Cabela's catalog.  I think there are a couple of improvements to a
one-knife system, though.  For starters, carry a sharpener - things
go much better if you can resharpen.  I'm going to also get another
knife for skinning - the Buck has a good sweep to the blade that is
useful for skinning, but the tip is too sharp.  While this is necessary
for starting the cutting, it is a disadvantage while skinning.  Also,
by the time you get to skinning the blade may be annoyingly dull.
Having a separate skinning knife will cut down on the resharpening.
The other item is a saw.  This saves the knives from some blade-
breaking stresses - just saw through the bone, etc.  The Wyoming saw
has been around a long, long time and folds up quite small.  It has
both bone and wood blades and will also use hacksaw blades.

Alan K Biocca
From: smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Southeastern Ohio Squirrel Hunting
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:49:10 GMT
Organization: Smasher Land BBS (614)593-8359
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Well I've still been squirrel hunting once or twice a week and I
still haven't put a dent in the squirrel population yet.  On thursday
of last week I only had a 1/2 hour to hunt so I figured that I wouldn't
see to many but I went anyway with my trusty 410 pump.  Well I left
my house at 5:30 and at 6:00 I took my last shot and I had 4 squirrel.
You know you have had a good day when you get the bag limit in a half
hour.

Since then I have went hunting several times, never walking out of the
woods with less than 2 squirrel.  So far I have got 17 and only 3 have
had wurbles (sp?) and one of those 3 had 6 (yes 6) wurbles, he looked
like a rodent tumor!

The squirrel are still very thick, I sat with my brother on his back
deck on his house and we each got one.  We only had to walk 5 feet of
the deck to retrieve them!

How is the squirrel hunting in northen Ohio as well as the rest of
the country?


By the way, anybody interested in a trade?  I have an IBM XT computer
I would like to trade for a shotgun, let me know if you are interested.


Scott


 
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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Field dressing: How to?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:54:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I was wondering if some of the more experienced hunters would mind
sharing their best tips on field-dressing deer.

I have had experience cleaning rabbit and squirrel, but have never
cleaned a deer.  

Thanks in advance.
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From: graeme@geog.canterbury.ac.nz (Graeme Glen)
Subject: New Zealand Knife maker
Organization: Geography Dept, Canterbury University, New Zealand
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:42:43 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

My name is Chris Pennington and I am interested in contacting other
Knife makers who use D2 440C and 154CM steel for blades.

I would be interested in swapping information from Down Under.

I can be contacted through Graeme Glen, email
g.glen@geog.canterbury.ac.nz.
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Scope sighting reply
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:48:16 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
>Subject: Re: scopes
>Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
>Date: 29 Sep 92 06:46:17 CDT
>Message-ID: <1992Sep29.064617.8237@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

>It was mentioned that one first sights his rifle with a new scope in at 
>25yds and then moves out to 50, 100, etc. 25yds is a good start. However
>most big game rifles that are sighted in dead on at 25yds are pretty close
>at 200 yds. Try it. It could save you some time if you are going to sight 
>in at 200+ yds.

The technique that I have used over the years eliminates the need to     
keep changing your target distance.  This can take a lot of time if 
you are on a range with even a few other folks.                

First put out your target frame at the 100yd distance.  Then set up 
your gun on the bench using sand bags and such so that the rifle is 
pointed in the direction of the target.  Remove your bolt (this only 
works for bolt action guns, by the way) and sight down the bore so 
that the center line points directly at the bullseye.  If you back 
off a foot or two you can use the rear and front of the barrel to 
get this pretty close.  Next, adjust the scope so that the crosshairs
also point to the bullseye.  Make sure you haven't moved the rifle 
by checking the bore/target positioning again.  This should take at
most 5 to 10 minutes of messing around and should get you well on the 
paper at 100yds.

If you have the scope mounted at a sporting goods store, they will 
probably be able to boresight it for you using a special clamp on 
tool.  I'm not sure how close that comes but my guess is that it 
will be very close at 100yds also.  

Use your bullistics information for your gun and ammo to sight your
rifle at 100yds so that the bullet flight is within a prescribed 
range of "dead-on" over your anticipated hunting ranges.

Only five more days until Antelope season!
Only twelve more days until Elk season!
Only ninteen more days until Deer season!
Only ten more minutes until I go crazy thinking about these things!

Good luck, 

Bryan

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From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Subject: .35 Remington loads - results
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:57:06 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


      **** FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY ****

   I recently worked up two loads for my Marlin 336 in
.35 Remington. Both loads utilized 34 grains of W748, using
Remington brass and Remington 9-1/2 primers.

   One load used a Speer 220 gr. flat nose bullet and the
other used a Sierra 200 gr. round nose bullet.

   I initially sighted the rifle in at 50 yards and gradually
worked out to 75 and 100 yards, working with 5 round strings of
each load.

   My last 5 round group (using the 220 gr Speer) at 100 yards
measured 3-1/8". The first four shots measured 2-1/2" and I
jerked the last shot to the left to open the group up a bit.

   The 200 gr. Sierra shot very well also, I was able to
consistently hit a 5" plate at 75 yds with no problems with
both loads.

   All strings were shot from a bench, using a blanket for a
rest. Standard Marlin open sights were used.

   (I am not the worlds best shot and I'm sure that a better
shooter could improve on the groups that I shot.)

   My guess is that this round moves downrange at approx.1800
fps. Recoil was moderate in this load and my shoulder was not
sore after 40 rounds - much easier to shoot that my '03 Spring-
field. I don't flinch as much.

   I'll work up another 40 rounds, using the same load and try
to tighten the group and see how it shoots out to 150 yds. I
bought the Marlin as a "brush gun" to hunt deer in northcentral
Pennsylvania and I think that it should do the trick. Most of
the area (where we hunt) is heavy tree cover and most deer are
taken within 75 yds.

   Thanks to all on the net who recommended loads and how much
crimp to use. None of the bullets slipped while in the tube
magazine.

  This post is for reference purposes and should be used with
caution. I recommend that you check your reloading manuals for
recommending loading data before doing any reloading and/or
shooting.

Ken Ziolkowski

           **** FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY ****




Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: umjb2@sunyit.edu (Marcel Boulais)
Subject: Magnum Semi-Auto
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:43:25 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am looking for a big game rifle to last me a lifetime. I prefer semi
autos and was looking at the Browning Magnum Semi-Auto Rifle in .338
Win. Mag. The clip seemed difficult and clumsy. Has anyone used one? I
would appreciate any advice.

thanks,
Marcel Boulais


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Lab Pups for sale
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:34:15 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

 
HR Millercreek's Cash Payoff MH
(OFA good, yellow, completed MH title at the 1992 Nat'l Master)
             x
Sonny's Yellar Dawg Dixie SH
(OFA good, CERF certified, yellow)
 
The pedigree for these pups includes:
  7 Hunting Test Titles (1 is a national title)
 32 Field Trial Titles  (8 are national titles)
  6 Confirmation Titles
 
 
This will be Dixie's last litter until she gets her MH and
HRCH (ukc hunting test title) and maybe even her NAHRA MH (am
I ambitous or what - a triple hunting titled dog).  This is
a repeat breeding that produced an absolutely outstanding litter
(2 are guide dogs in training, 4 will be competing in their first
hunting tests later this fall).  The pups were due yesterday, but
aren't here yet.
 
For more information, call Chris & Dalene Barnes @ 409-846-3273
or just drop me an email message.....
 
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cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started last week!
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