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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Forcing the Spring
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:06:54 GMT

Katherine Catmull writes:

>Clinton talked about "forcing the spring" twice in his inauguration
>speech. I thought it was a very pretty phrase, and evocative
>of What Americans Do, or try to do, for good or evil. Two questions:
>
>1. Am I the only one who found the phrase pretty and evocative?

	Well, I found it very evocative of what, as you say, Americans
Do. It resonates as a summary of modernity - and America is the
quintessential modern regime  - as the conquest of nature, a project
that has given us both good and evil results. I bet boy Clinton
thought it simply pretty and didn't consider its darker aspect.

>Beginning to feel more hope(ark.)ful,

	Me too, the 1996 election is just around the corner.
>Kate


	Old Andy Rooney gave an exceedingly curmugeonly analysis of
the speech on the Jan. 24 "60 minutes".
	
	Keith

--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: Ancient History Novels
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:35:26 GMT

wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>_The Egyptian_, _The Etruscian_, and _The Roman_ by Mika Walturi  (sp?)

=====================================================Mika Waltari

Also, "The Secret of the Kingdom" by Waltari.
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Computer writes a book?
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:34:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Markov chaining using a mixture of sentences and words, or possibly
>just with words, using a parser to get rid of any unlikely combinations.
>Probably added in the use of a style checker.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 HUH?  Writing style is certainly NOT something that can be qualified that
 simply.  Style can consist of recurring themes, metaphors, sentence
 structure, plot devices, etc...

 I'm a computer science major, and even I don't have THAT much faith in a.i.


 
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Marilyn (was: Paglia)
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 03:34:07 GMT

In article <105341@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <105278@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>>>Except she never took any math or science classes which makes one
>>>wonder about Princeton's idea of a complete education.

Princeton doesn't have one.  "Complete education" is an oxymoron.

>>So what?  The question was whether Princeton sold out by admitting
>>Brooke Shields, not whether it has macho enough course requirements.

She was an A student at a good private school, no doubt with good scores --
and amazing extracurriculars.  Frankly, a pretty easy admit (though
one admissions officer I know opposed it...)

>Thinking about this further, I'm reminded of another Princeton alumnus
>who was gifted in the arts.  Stan Jordan was, I believe, already famous
>in jazz circles upon admission.  

Well, let's just say that word was beginning to get around.

>No one, I repeat NO ONE, made any deal
>about whether Princeton had lowered its standards by admitting him.  He
>was a "University Scholar", which made him exempt from all requirements
>as long as his advisor was happy.  I do know that he had some ability
>at mathematics, as my roommate was trying to arrange Stan and us to go
>over some abstract algebra together--for a while his thesis was going to
>be on some mathematics of music--but nothing came of it.  I did get some
>free Jordan jazz out of it (and some Miles Davis I think), but so far as
>Princeton's idea of a complete education, this aspect was wasted on me.
>I don't even have the vocabulary to describe how deeply ignorant of music
>I am.  Let's just say it's far inferior to my knowledge of TV, which I
>can at least spell out--ABC, CBS and some UHF from 65-77.

Exactly.  Suffice it to say that Brooke Shields probably passed 
analytic geometry in high school -- the course that flunked F.
Scott Fitzgerald out of Princeton.

>All this talk that Brooke's unscripted speeches stunk, or she never took
>math or science, or whatnot, is nothing but sour grapes.  (As for that
>roommate of mine, he set the record by flunking out 3 times in 2 years
>--but he's now working on tenure at a major university.  Who can tell?)

Note also that the sour grapes didn't begin until Leonard Koppett wrote
a silly piece about Shields' transcript for the op-ed page of the Times.

Roger
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: INDIAN (ENGLISH) LITERATURE
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:19:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Ah yes , I remember taking a course from R Rao in the late
'60s at the Uof T.
  But here's a question. Can anyone direct me to the name and
author of an AngloIndian novel that was the humorous chronicle
of an AngloIndian family. The title was some thing like this:
(The "name of the family" "word in Indian language family
history or scrapbook)
  like this
   THE  ______    ________.

It was extremely humorous in an olfactory and gastro-intestinal
sort of way. Lots of refs to the pleasures/dangers of eating 
green mangos, jack fruit, and over
overpoweringly sweet confections called "jallabi" (sp).
  Very amusing in a twisted sort of way. I'd like to get a copy.
-- 
Ted....
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From: isbell@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Andy Isbell)
Subject: Re: Texas law-makers are stupid
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:56:27 GMT

mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson) writes:
>patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:

>>>One other question - did the sodomy ruling discriminate between homosexual and
>>>heterosexual activity?  Just curious.

>>From what I remember of it, it made no distinction -- just another reason to
>>be wary if you move in next door to a DPS trooper...

>Yup, it does... oral-anal sex is legal between hets.

So, next time I'm in Texas I have to ask people whether they are het or homo
before I tell them to kiss my ass?  Wouldn't want to get in trouble with the
law by saying that to the wrong kind of people!!

:) :)

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From: szeliga@soils.umn.edu (Tim Szeliga - NWS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Martin Gardner
Keywords: Gardner
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:10:23 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1993Jan27.004449.27175@samba.oit.unc.edu> burtl@ils.unc.edu (Laura G. Burtle) writes:

>I just finished reading a wonderful book called The Flight of Peter
>Fromm by Martin Gardner.  Does anyone know anything about the author?
>Has he written any other books?  There is no biographical information in
>the book I have.

>Laura Burtle

 At last, some one else has heard of Peter Fromm!
It was a religious/philosophical/spiritual novel,
with the narrator dipping into various religions 
and philosophies before shaking them off like a
wet dog and rolling in the next.  

 What I like best about the novel is the critique
of the Hutchins program of the University of Chicago.
He analyses it and ultimately rejects it, in a manner
remarkably similar to Robert Pirsig in Zen & the Art of 
Motorcycle, but for entirely different reasons.
(There's your term paper, Laura)

 I read it in 78, but I still remember the chapter
of Martin Gardner's thinly disguised narrator 
pretending to be a Roman Catholic.
The very idea tickles me. 

 I think he wound up rejecting everything and ended
a skeptic, although I may be confusing the author
and his character here, and filling in the memory
gaps with parts of his last philosophical scrivening.

 For an excellent critique of Gardner and the Skeptics,
read "The New Inquisition" by Robt Anton Wilson.





Tim Szeliga        tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know who I was this morning, but I must have
been changed several times since then.
                        Lewis Carroll/Alice In Wonderland
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Censorship
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:14:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.080437.5206@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:

>	Does anyone know of a good history of literary censorship in the
>U. S.?  It seems to me important to remember how recently these
>things have changed.

The book you want was published just last year, Tom. It's by Cardozo Law
School professor Edward de Grazia, and it's called GIRLS LEAN BACK
EVERYWHERE: THE LAW OF OBSCENITY AND THE ASSAULT ON GENIUS. It is highly
readable and entertaining (it's not a law tract), and well worth owning.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Where is well met in Huston, TX?
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.24JAN199315352343
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That's `Houston,' mate.  `H-town' if you're ethnic.

As for a r.a.b. meetin', I'd guess anywhere in Southpark or the Fifth Ward
would be appropriate.











Death to the
Friedswood
Development
Company,
Yours etc.,




SubGenius
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From: jartz@bassoon.mitre.org (John Artz)
Subject:  Books involving time travel
Reply-To: jartz@mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:59:34 GMT

I just finished Koontz's Lightning which is a fascinating story
involving time travelers from the past, of all places.  I like the
way he tries to work out the potential paradoxes of time 
travel and would like to see how other authors have handled
them.  Can anybody suggest some other books that have
dealt with this topic ?






						John M. Artz, Ph.D.

						jartz@mitre.org

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From: stoler@seas.gwu.edu (Rich Stoler)
Subject: Re: Inauguration ceremony
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:49:13 GMT

Liberty Bell March by John Phillip Sousa.
-- 
             Rich Stoler, Senior Systems Programmer,
	       	  George Washington University
     SEAS Computing Facility, 725 23rd St NW, Washington DC 20052
 	     stoler@seas.gwu.edu  -or-  uunet!gwusun!stoler
From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Poet Laureate
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:27:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
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In a previous article, wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE) says:

>In article <C1C0F5.1y8@panix.com> mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>>
>>sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) writes:
>>
>>> I forget now, does the US have something like a "poet laureate"?  If yes,
>
>Joseph Brodsky is the current Poet Laureate. The times they are a changin'.


I think they have already changed again, since 
the appointment only lasts a year
or so.  If I remember rightly, Mona 
van Duyn is the current holder.


Gary Stonum
Case Western Reserve Univ.
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Changes to Holmes Booklist (rec.arts.books)
Expires: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 22:20:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:20:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Keywords: monthly
Supersedes: <1992Dec25.223917.3682@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>

Archive-name: books/holmes/diff

Last change:
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Change to architecture of list:
	Games are now listed in a separate section.

Additions:

> Gunnarsson, Thorarinn:  Dragons on the Town
	Has Holmes as a minor character.

> Pearsall, Ronald:  Sherlock Holmes Investigates: The Murder in Euston Sq.
	No info.

> Rafferty, Colin:  Sherlock & Watson
	No info.

> Thomson, June:  Secret Files Of Sherlock Holmes, The
> Thomson, June:  Secret Chronicles Of Sherlock Holmes, The

	Collections of short stories that use as a starting point the
	references to "unchronicled" stories in the canon.  They have
	only been published in Britain.  Supposedly Thomson will be
	coming out with another volume after the British Holmes
	copyright run out (in 1995?).

> John N. Hansen Co.:  221 B Baker Street (Sets 1-8) (GAMES)
	New game.

> Sleuth Publications:  Adventures by Gaslight (GAMES)
	New game.

> The Sciolist Press (MAG) (Don Pollock, ed.)
	Box 225, Winnetka IL 60093-0225

Changes:
> Trow, M. J.:  Adventures Of Inspector Lestrade, The
> Trow, M. J.:  Brigade: The Further Adventures Of Inspector Lestrade
> Trow, M. J.:  Lestrade And The Deadly Game
> Trow, M. J.:  Lestrade And The Guardian Angel
> Trow, M. J.:  Lestrade And The Hallowed House
> Trow, M. J.:  Lestrade And The Magpie
	(The Complete List of the "Inspector Lestrade" stories by
	M. J. Trow).  The were all published in Britain.  The first three
	are also available in paperback "omnibus" edition.  The title "The
	Supreme Adventure Of Inspector Lestrade" is an American reprint of
	"The Adventures Of Inspector Lestrade."

> Weller, Philip with Christopher Roden:  Life and Times of Sherlock Holmes, The
	No info.

Change:
< Howell, Wayne:  The Bacchus Club Mystery
to:
> Howell, Wayne:  Bacchus Club Mystery, The

Additional info:
> Waldrop, Howard:  "Adventure of the Grinder's Whistle, The" (in NIGHT OF THE COOTERS)

Evelyn C. Leeper   |   +1 908 957 2070   |   ecl@mtgzy.att.com
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From: bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: Heather's Ford
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:11:00 GMT

In article <C16L76.Krx@news.iastate.edu>, s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald) writes:
> 
> By the way, folks, do yourselves a favor and go see *The Crying Game* if
> it's playing near you.  An *amazing*, undly *human*, film.
> 
> michael mcdonald

I second this wholeheartedly!

Beth
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It is better to be a fool than to be dead.      Beth Barter, Bellcore 
    - Robert Louis Stevenson                    Livingston, NJ  
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From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Edukation
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:35:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner


Contrarywise, I was assigned to do 1984 in 9th grade; or rather, had a 
choice between it, ANIMAL FARM, and another, similar book which I 
forget.  I did all three, because I had already read them.

	Larry "I never asked Mrs. Harris about her politics" Hammer
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  In the deserts of the heart 
sometimes a Wombat         \ Let the healing fountains start  -- Auden
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: About Truth
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:06:55 GMT

In article <1jl4ljINN2ak@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>I enjoyed the book as I did Penrose's (they
>were both in the Bay Area here a couple of weeks ago, and I have Roger
>P's sig to prove it), but it is very pleasant bedside reading, not the
>stuff that Physical Letters would want.

It will be recalled, I hope, that this business of publishing articles
about Truth in peer-reviewed physics journals came from Fido, not me.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Political Correctness in the Dark Ages
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:51:44 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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I think (and I may be wrong, I'm only Indian) that there was a very
voluptuous ideal to portray women in art and sculpture in India. Women
were considered extremely beautiful if they had at least three folds in
their bellies. And the _Kama_Sutra_ is full of descriptions of heavy,
pendulous breasts, large swaying hips and so on.
From: sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Vanity Fair, or the long sojourn
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:40:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: utsph.sph0301.164.728059249
Organization: Univ. of Texas School of Public Health

In article <106509@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>Last night I finally finished the last of 950-odd pages of Vanity Fair, and 
>I found myself wondering why I'd bothered.  That's a bit harsh -- I did
>enjoy the book; the humor is fun, the characters are occasionally
>diverting (though Amelia, the "tender parasite," is one of the most
>irritating characters in Victorian fiction -- was she supposed to be held
>up as a feminine ideal?  Bleah!), and the skewering of rigid society is
>welcome.  
>
>Has anyone else waded through this or any other endless book, and wondered
>why?


I got through the first 100 or so pages several months ago... it's still
on my list of books-to-read-as-soon-as-I-run-out-of-the-good-stuff (yeah,
maybe by the 22nd century).  I hate starting a book and leaving it
unfinished but I had a hard one with that one...

kate
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From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Subject: Re: Novels about writers
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:17:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.015009.42051@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> arc2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (AMY CHARLES) writes:
>Anybody read any good books w/writer as protagonist lately?  I just finished
>Anthony Burgess' *Earthly Powers*.  Not as symphonic as *Any Old Iron*, but
>still pretty damn impressive.  Also recommend (no sneering, now) *Fools Die*,
>by Mario Puzo.  Best casino book I've read, too, w/much better characters than
>the Godfather pulp.

The End of the Affair - Graham Greene.

Interesting for the views on writing in the narrative.

Nigel
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: RE: Buried Treasure -or- So, whaddaya use for bookmarks?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:56 CST
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The as-always obsequious Heather writes...

>>From his perch atop one of the volumes of Solzhenitsyn's _The Gulag
>>Archipelago_ an inch-tall portrait of a bushy-eyebrow'd and mustache'd Sam
>>Clements smirked at me.  
>Gosh all hemlock, SubG!  That should be "Clemens", as in Roger.  Surely all
>Texans know that name as well as their own!

+---------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+
Actually, I was referring to the little known iconoclastic writer of Armenian
spy novels Sam ("The Big Man") Clements, not Samuel Langhorne Clemens and,
I'll add, never the twain shall meet.



..But I CAN spell
Publius Cornelius
Scipio Aemilianus
Africanus Numantinus
-and-
Pierre Gustave
Toutant Beauregard,
Yours etc.,


SubGenius


Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:25909 alt.president.clinton:1676
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Maya Angelou inaugural poem
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:22:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


How can those of us in the U.S. get a copy of it?  Anyone know if there'll
be an inaugural video out?  A friend of mine is a big fan of Angelou and most
upset that she missed the reading.


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ancient History Novels
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:12:44 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <930127074721@joker.ftp.com> rodin@ftp.com writes:
>I enjoyed "The Long Ships" by Frans Bengstrom.  It's the story of a viking
>taking place approximately 980-1010 AD.  Frans Bengstrom is a Swedish 
>historian of note (according to my Swedish friend who gave me the book).

Just a minor correction...

For anyone who might be interested to follow this up, the author is
Frans G. Bengtsson. I wouldn't describe him as a historian -- he is
more of an essayist.  Many of his essays are on historical topics,
though.

As far as I know, the only other available translation is a collection
of essays called 'A walk to an ant-hill'.

-- 
Anders Thulin        ath@linkoping.trab.se        013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
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From: stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller)
Subject: Theroux
Keywords: THUR-oo
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:07:32 GMT

I'm reading his "Kingdom by the Sea" - pretty vintage stuff.

Anybody got any thoughts on the latest, Oceania book?

Also, anybody know how much of My Secret History is "really" fiction?
-- 

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