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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:59:30 GMT

In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>
>Bowl			Location
>----			--------
>California Raisin	Fresno CA
>Bluebonnet		??
^^^^^^^^^^^             Houston TX - Astrodome
>Tangerine 		??
>Garden State
>Cherry
>
>Please post any additions you can come up with.
>
>R Dendy
>

How about bowls that should be, like the Dust Bowl, Lubbock Texas?

Paul (Lloyd Hill for the Heisman 93) Conditt

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:29:19 GMT

In article <78144@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
wrote:
> 
> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
> }
> }I don't recall if they used any licensed designs, Bama claimed
> }they did, and forced *A&M* to force the students to stop selling
> }them. They must have, but it came across as Yet Mo' Bama Whining.
> 
> You get your tails whipped in a makeup game, invet a whole
> bunch of excuses for why and silly accusations of Alabama's
> hidden motives for delaying the game, and then dare to call 
> *Alabama* the "whiners"?

Mark, in case it wasn't obvious, the tshirts in question came out
maybe a week or two after the cancellation. Bama made an offical
complaint maybe a month after that, but well before the make up
game. So we have:

1) game cancellation
2) tshirts go on sale
3) Bama complains to A&M-they did complain to A&M, and *not* to
   the people making and selling the shirts.
4) A&M leans on the right people, shirts become collector items
5) rest of season, including the spanking by Bama

In the time frame after 3&4 but before 5, not only has Bama
cancelled one game, but also bitched about some enterprising
Aggies making money by poking some fun at Bama. It sure seems
like whining to the average college student, including myself.

At least they didn't call Bama "Criminals" like certain 
students at a certain university called the football team of
another certain university.

If they were in violation of Bama's registered logos [and they
may well have been in violation], it would have been more 
appropriate, IMHO, for Bama's lawyers to send a letter to the 
offending party(ies).

James
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From: tad@tad.b30.ingr.com (tad w stephens)
Subject: Re: Bear and A&M       
Reply-To: tad@tad.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.215558.15586@b11.b11.ingr.com>, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:

|> 
|>   "He could take his team and beat yours;
|>    then take your team and beat his"
|> 
|> 				Bum Phillips when asked about Coach Bryant


				Coach Bryant when asked about General Bob Neyland


Tad "Keeping history straight :) " Stephens
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: School Nicknames with colors???
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.155545.7666@news.nd.edu> Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu> writes:
>Although this may not be controversial enough for this newsgroup,
>and despite the fact that I'm not going to slander anybody or 
>badmouth anyone's school. . .
>
>I'm trying to find out any/all Division 1-A schools whose nickname
>includes a color.  My weak attempt at a partial list:
>
>Orangemen    Syracuse
>Redmen       St John's
>Purple Aces  Evansville
>Green Wave?  Tulane
>Blue Devils  Duke
>Blue Demons  Depaul
 Cardinal     Stanford
>
>Additions ???


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:45:35 GMT

>
>I don't know the exact range of the plane they used, but I'm sure it
>exceeds the distance between Birmingham and College Station by a large
>margin.  However, the ability to fly around a storm is only interesting
>if the destination and point of departure are relatively clear.  I've
>flown commercially alot during my career, and I know the pilots don't
>look forward to departing or landing in a thunderstorm.  I once spent
>over 2 hours sitting at a gate in Memphis.  The ground crew wouldn't
>service the plane because there was a lightning storm in the area.
>
>By the way, you mentioned that College Station was 100+ miles inland.
>Isn't Houston the nearest major airport to College Station?  Houston
>was a bit closer to the hurricane action, wouldn't you agree?

Actually, the airport in Austin is a little closer, and it is over 
150 miles inland... but...  

when yer yellow, yer yellow!   


:-)

>
>> I don't buy it...  try again
>
>The Aggies already bought it (the farm, that is).  You are welcome to
>try again soon. :-)
>
>-- 
>*realName: Phil Harbison
>*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
>*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
>Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!


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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Greatest of the Eighties (BOWL BOUND)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:14:11 GMT

mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:

>Georgia Stops Florida State 28 - 23, Advances to Final

>The 1980 Georgia Bulldogs, on the strength of their explosive running game,
>advanced to the final of our Greatest of the Eighties (BOWL BOUND) tournament
>by topping the 1987 Florida State Seminoles, 28 - 23.  There they will face
>the winner of the Michigan (1985) vs. Clemson (1981) game.

Matt, 

These are a lot of fun but I'm puzzled about the procedings so far.

How are you going to figure a way for Notre Dame to win it all with
the three teams mentioned above being the finalists ?

Justin - I know you'll find a way - Frederich       


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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Terry Bowden, Day 2
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:58:11 GMT

I watched most of the Terry Bowden press conference yesterday.  Comments:

- He seemed very intense, very tight.  He was obviously under a lot of
  stress.  He was on the verge of being humorless, although he did try
  to crack a joke or two and barely smiled once or twice.  He sort of
  reminded me of Bill Curry, although he stated that AU practices will
  be open (most of the time).
- He stated that he will be the AU offensive coordinator.  This was
  good news to me, because AU's offense has gone way downhill the last
  two years.  His older brother Tommy Bowden has been the OC at AU for 
  the last two years.  I see a pattern here, so I welcome the change.
- He made no promises on which assistant coaches he would keep, including
  his brother.  He said anyone who stayed would have to be free of NCAA
  problems.
- He said that he won't be accepted as Auburn's Head Coach until he beats
  Alabama and "that's how it should be".

Finally,

- He stated that he was going to go to work as soon as the press conference 
  was over.  BZZZZZZZZZ.  He lied (sort of).  After the press conference, I
  went downtown to see the Auburn Christmas Parade, and there was Coach
  Bowden, riding in the parade with AU AD, Mike "The Hit Man" Lude.  I guess
  PR is work.


The horror of yesterday's announcement is starting to wear off now.  I'm on
the verge of deluding myself into thinking that Bowden will do well.  If
only it turns out to be true...............

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 
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From: dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money)
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:37:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.170841.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> owen@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I have heard and read on many occasions (and not just in the 
>Alabama media ;-) that Auburn is variously considered one of the
>10 or 20 best coaching jobs in the country for a variety of reasons:
>the extremely lucrative outside income (radio and tv shows, endorsements,

Larry, I used to think that Pat Dye made an incredible amount of money
through salary and endorsements, but since I've been up here at Ohio
State, I've heard that coaches up here (in the north) make A LOT more.
I know Randy Ayers, OSU's basketball coach, just got an extension on
his contract guaranteeing him somewhere near $800K a year (total
package).  He's been very successful, but that's still pretty good for
a coach in only his fourth year in Division I-A.  And John Cooper,
who has been on the hot seat for the last five years, is supposedly
also making over half a million a year.  I know OSU is a big school,
but if many other Big Ten schools are paying these kinds of salaries,
how could Auburn compete?

Dean.
From: elliott@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Keywords: Cherry Bowl
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:11:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Dec15.001125.12808
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1gishrINN930@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason R Heminger) writes:
>	As far as the Bluebonnet bowl is concerned, I am not sure, but
>I seem to believe that it was in Alabama for some reason, i'm not sure
>though.

I think the Bluebonnet bowl was in Houston.  I also thought that this was
a larger bowl -- larger than most bowls (not orange,rose etc) because
I remember UCLA went one year.  Actually I think the Bluebonnet was a pretty
old game.  Why did they stop?  

-- 
Elliott Lee
elliott@cs.uoregon.edu
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:04:04 GMT

In article <Bz7sGC.13C@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:

>Another poster was saying how Gino sucked in the FSU game and the defense
>won the game but this is bullshit. He also stated that the receivers from
>Miami make Gino look good .  The Miami defense is great and Miami
>could not have won any games without them but neither could they win any
>without the offense. I watched the tape of the Miami/FSU game a week ago
>and the winning touchdown pass to Lamar Thomas was perfect. He didn't
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The most amazing thing about this pass was that Gino was getting leveled as
he threw it!

>have to break stride and the ball fell into his hands in front of him
>and he continued into the end zone. Please remember that the Miami 
>offensive line had also been decimated and Gino had defensive players
>in the backfield on him all day. Even if he wasn't sacked, he was leveled
>on damn near every pass play including the 'perfect' pass to Lamar.

By the way, here's something more for you 'Canes-haters to eat up: the last
time a Heisman winner has been on a National Championship Team was 
Tony Dorsett at Pitt (I 'm not sure when, but you can beat that it was
a while ago -- early '70s, I think).

Of course we 'Canes love when the odds are against us.

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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Ack thfppt to the fat guy!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 11:40:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Ack thfppt to this year's Heisman Trophy winner, the fat Gina Toretta.
Double ack thfppt to him.  ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKK TTHHFPPPPT!


If the 28-1 record has *any* implication towards to voting, the whole Miami
defensive line should get the award, *not* the fat guy.  Even a 
not-so-spectular quarterback such as Elvis Grbac could look very very
good if he's the starting quarterback of the Canes.


So Hearst and Faulk are more deserving than Toretta.  But this kind of craps
always happen (just like ND being chosen to play in the Cotton Bowl).


BTW, when I watched the Rose Bowl last year, one of the commentator (I think 
he was Keith Jackson) said that Heisman Trophy winners in the past few years
were not very lucky in the subsequent bowl games.  Specially, the team with the
Heisman award winner used to lose in bowl game in that year.  He mentioned Ty 
Detmer in 1990 and two other guys.  Interestingly, Michigan lost as well after
Desmond Howard grabbed the award.


Any more info. to confirm his claim?


- Louis Pang


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From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Originator: zmed0b@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:29:07 GMT


In article <1992Dec14.200043.5979@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
> In article 14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov, acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
> >I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
> >net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
> >far I have five and only one location, as follows:
> >
> >Bowl			Location
> >----			--------
> >California Raisin	Fresno CA
> >Bluebonnet		??
> >Tangerine 		??
> >Garden State
> >Cherry
> >
> >Please post any additions you can come up with.
> >
> >R Dendy
> >
> 
> 
> Actually, I think the Tangerine Bowl became the present-day Florida Citrus
> Bowl.  If so, it may not actually belong on your list.
> 
> D. Head
> 
> 

Hey, didn't there used to be a game that the Shriners sponsored?  I think it
might have been one of these all-stat type games like the Blue/Gray game.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Mythical state legislation
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:56:15 GMT

In article <BzBt3r.Lxr@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec15.175009.18705@b11.b11.ingr.com>,
>>guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) wrote:
>
>>> Also, didn't the state legislature mandate that the Florida teams all 
>>> play each other?  
>
>>This is a common, but incorrect, impression. Way back in the mid-late
>>1950's, Florida was ignoring FSU, and FSU was clamoring for a crack
>>at the gators. The legislature was rumbling about making it a law,
>>something the govenor at the time didn't want to happen. So when he
>>was the guest of UF's president, he causually let is be known that
>>he'd be real upset if FSU-UF didn't settle this themselves. They did,
>>and the rest is history.
>
>>Since Miami is a *private* institution, there's very little that the
>>legislature could do them.
>
>>James
>
>With FSU playing 8 ACC games a year and Florida facing 7 SEC games,
>I think it's time to implement a new plan. Florida should only play
>FSU on even numbered years and Miami on odd numbered years. This would
>allow FSU to schedule 1 outside game on even years and 2 on odd years.
>
>For example, next year FSU plays 8 ACC opponents ,Miami, Florida, and
>Notre Dame. The same the year after. If they don't play Florida next 
>year, they could schedule an easy team like Michigan or Washington.  :-)
>
>Is there anyone out there stupid enough to think their team has a
>tougher out of conference schedule than FSU next year ???

I'll let you know at the end of next year...  

>
>Justin - love the Noles all but one day a year - Frederich
>
>
>
From: alex@comlab.gatech.edu (Alex Marrero)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trivia answers
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:39:38 GMT
Organization: GTRI Communications Lab

In article <1992Dec16.185356.4113@ra.msstate.edu> wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>1.  Bear never beat Texas, 0-2-1.
>
>2.  Georgia Tech, Sewanee, and Tulane were former SEC
>members.
>
>3.  Oldest stadium has to be Sanford Stadium in Athens.
>
>Bill


-- 
Alex Marrero,   alex@comlab.gatech.edu
Pi Kappa Phi Fraternity
Georgia Tech Research Institute
Communications Laboratory
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From: holtm@robin.rtp.dg.com (Mark Holt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.music.funky,rec.travel,alt.music.alternative,soc.college
Subject: Gator bowl/Jacksonville recommendations needed
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:40:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corp.


Since I'm Gator Bowl bound this coming 12/30...

Anybody out there have any recommendations for fun stuff to do,
good places to stay, places to stay away from?

I'm mostly looking for live music (rock, jazz, folk, blues,
alternative), brew-pubs, music stores, that type of thing.

Thanks,
- Mark

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Prognosticators!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:01:06 GMT

I need my trusty prognosticating panel to send me their selections for
the Big Ten's 3+1 bowl games.  Don't forget Penn State-Stanford...

Randy
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bowling Green
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:55:21 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

'Nuff said (? :)

I wish we had Blackney instead of Cooper. Oh well.

(How did BG throw away 31 points??? Anyone see the game?)

GO BUCKS BEAT G-E-a-ORGIA!!!!!!

-Garrett
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:54:24 EST
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed
Distribution: na

In article <42496@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) says:
>
>Torreta:
>
>Yes, he's got the stats. 3000+ yds. Bunch of TDs. 7 INTs. But what did
>he do in the BIG games.
>
>        PennSt: 80+ yds
>
make that 70 yards.
---
later,
sunil
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:37:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.220126.15818@b11.b11.ingr.com>,
guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) wrote:

>     I hadn't heard that one.  Any hard evidence to back it up?  Sounds more like

Sorry, I didn't keep the _Battalion_. However, we could have some
dumb undergrad Aggie go into the archives and look up the back issues
of the Batt. The time frame would be mid-September to early December
1988.*hint*hint*

> aTm wanted to keep the students from giving Alabama any more reason to flail them

Possibly. I still think it should be Bama's responsibility to enforce
their registered marks. Unless there is some agreement to enforce each
other's marks?

> than the rather vocal "they're scared to play us but we'll show 'em when they
> get here" drivel that was (*was* being the operative word) being spouted to the
> four winds.  To complete the memory refresh, the Tide rolled into aggieville and
> "Got the BS out".  Kinda obsoleted the shirts anyway.

I'm sure they're still collectors items. They were clever, but IMHO in
poor sportsmanship. 

Back to the present, shall we?

James - who's torn between "ND? No problem!" and "ND? Oh, sh*t!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Keywords: Bluebonnet Bowl
Reply-To: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.001125.12808@cs.uoregon.edu>,
elliott@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee) writes:
|>In article <1gishrINN930@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason R
Heminger) writes:
|>>	As far as the Bluebonnet bowl is concerned, I am not sure, but
|>>I seem to believe that it was in Alabama for some reason, i'm not sure
|>>though.
|>
|>I think the Bluebonnet bowl was in Houston. 
|>Why did they stop?  
|>

Howdy!  The Bluebonnet Bowl was indeed played in Houston, Texas.  (The
state flower of Texas is the Bluebonnet).  They stop having the
Bluebonnet Bowl because people wouldn't attend the game (lack of
attendance).  Pitt and t.u. played in the last Bluebonnet, but I can't
remember the year.

Beat the class of '90 hell outta Notre Dame!

PEdro '90             
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