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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Banned Techniques
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:18:10 GMT

In article <2275@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg) writes:
(unknown other author quoted)
|> >>   
|> >>  In Seoul, 1988, another Japanese swimmer Suzuki won a gold medal for
|> >>backstroke. His swimming was charcterized by very long Basaro (sp?) start,
|> >>the start going under the water with a dolphin kick, which pushed him 
|> >>up to #1 in the world. After the Seoul Olympic, the international rule was 
|> >>changed so that the Basaro start was allowed to use only for a limited 
|> >>distance, which made Suzuki less competitive.
|> >

Not quite.  It was the "Berkoff blastoff", named after Harvard swimmer David
Berkoff, who was the #1 swimmer before, during, and after the Seoul games (he
held the world record, took the silver in the 100m, and broke his own world
record as the leadoff leg in the 4x100 medley relay).  They banned it because
they felt it was no longer the backstroke.  (BTW, Mr. Berkoff got the bronze
in '92, coming out of retirement).

Trivia:  do you know how the butterfly came about?  Way back, someone realized
that the rules governing the breaststroke did not disallow an over-the-water
recovery of the arms.  This person (nationality unknown to me) went on to win
the Olympics using this technique.  The powers-that-be felt that this was
differed enough from the breaststroke to set up rules for a new stroke.

|> >>  In the Olympic Games, perhaps, it is something very unnatural for a 
|> >>Japanese swimmer to win a gold, and someone might start to say, "There must
|> >>be something wrong with the rule. Otherwise, there is no reason for a 
|> >>Japanese to win."
|> >
|> >Agree ! In fact in almost every branch of sport, there are
|> >changes that made to favour let's say western country like
|> >Europe and USA. For example in Badminton, China invented a
|> >spinning serve which was banned after they dominated almost
|> >every tournament. Just what is wrong with it ? I believe
|> >creativity in any sporting event. If you can invent something
|> >new use it ! 
|> 
|>   Like they didn't ban the Fosbury Flop because it was invented
|>   by an American.  I don't see why they should ban new techniques
|>   either.  I suppose one could ban the slam-dunk in basketball
|>   too, while they're at it.

The slam dunk used to be banned in NCAA, and I believe it used to be banned in
the Olympics.  To say that the Flop wasn't banned because Dick Fosbury was a US
athlete is utterly ridiculous (look at Berkoff above).

|> And the last comment on the Fosbury Flop is comparing apples
|> to oranges.  How many gymnastic moves are named after Americans
|> or Western Europeans?
|> Very few.  Most are Japanese and former Soviets.  Adding something
|> to a sport and bending the rules are two different things.  Why

Probably because these gymnasts have not been innovators.  There are
exceptions:  the [Kurt] Thomas flair (invented for pommel horse, now used on
parallel bars and floor), and the [Mitch] Gaylord, used on high bar.
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From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [language] using Esperanto in international event
Followup-To: soc.culture.esperanto,rec.sport.olympics
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:49:13 GMT


     I suggest Esperanto be used together with the local language in
international events like Olympics.

     Mi pensas (afis^is antau' kelkaj jaroj), ke en internaicaj okazoj,
ni uzas Esperanton.  Ni konsentu, ke "Esperantaj literoj" estas "universalaj".
Do, ni skribas "C^inlando"-n, "Japanlando"-n, kaj aliajn.  Cetere, oni
anoncas la punktojn (?) ankau en Esperanto, do, pri Shannon Miller
(au' S^anon Miler), nau' punkto ses, pri Tatiana Goutsou (au' Taciana Gucu?),
nau' punkto kvin, kaj simile plu.

						*Zhong* Qi-Iao

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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: I'm sick and tired of the NBC bashing
Summary: About broadcast rights
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:27:30 GMT

In article <6944@motcsd.csd.mot.com> mre@saint.csd.mot.com writes (in part):
>And try watching the Olypics (or any global interest sports event) in a
>country other than a single channel monopoly country. Having a choice of
>channels on which to watch coverage makes the channels ``try harder''. Here
>CNN can't even carry snipets of highlights and are restricted to showing
>still frame shots. That sucks too.

CNN isn't the only one restricted to showing stills.  So are other networks 
and even NBC affiliates - until AFTER the event has been shown on NBC.
That's part of the deal surrounding broadcast rights, which NBC has for 
these Olympic Games.  Chances are you probably got to see a few highlights 
AFTER events ended.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com

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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:15 GMT

swayzed@brandonu.ca writes:
>It is my sincere hope that this rush to include professional atheletes soon
>loses steam as I think it would be an absolute tragedy. The amateur athelete
>is a heroic individual. He or she is the person who has to struggle to make
>ends meet; who depends on meager government handouts, who trains after school
>or after work. I realize that some, like Ben Johnson, or Carl Lewis make
>over 6 figures a year from product endorsements, but the vast majority of
>Olympic atheletes don't. 
>Do we really want to see the Olympics become an even greater commercial event
>than it already is? I used to look forward to the Olympics so I could see the
>amateur atheletes who you don't normally see. Why would I want to see pro's
>in the Olympics when I can see pro's almost everywhere else? We have the
>Tour de France, Tour du Pont, World Championships, Paris-Roubaix, Grand Prix
>des Ameriques and an entire calendar of pro cycling events. Why add the
>Olympics?

Agreed.  Who wants to see all the Pros in the Olympics?  Then it's just another bike race.  Not even a very interestiong one.  I would think the "Dream Team"
(which was neither a Dream nor a Team) would have shown everyone the folly of
putting professional athletes in the Olympics.  It was embarassing to hear the
networks gloat over beating Angola and other third world countries.  Are we
so insecure about ourselves that we need this?  The controversy over wearing
certain jumpsuits and team members giving interviews that put other team
members in a negative light were even more pathetic.  Sigh.    
-Terry
From: bryan@seidel.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Wanted: Olympic results
Summary: Is there a list of all the athletes who participated in Barcelona
Keywords: olympics, results
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:43:27 GMT

Is there a list of all the athletes (not just the medalists),
their event, and how they placed (their time, score, etc.)?

Also, is there a list of the medalist swimmers and track &
field athletes and their times or scores?

Thanks,
Tom Bryan
bryan@gauss.ece.ucsb.edu
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Chinese athlets
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:20:20 GMT

In article <137970001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto) writes:
>> I think that steroid use is probably around 90% among serious athletes
>> worldwide.  Only incredible twits like Ben Johnson ever get caught.
>> 
>Unless, of course, you take in to account the grim reaper.  Then most
>users of steroids get caught.
>

This is an interesting point.  Can someone enlighten me as to the
long-term affects of steriod use?  Are there certain telltale
illnesses that are very strong indicators of past use?

I remember hearing somewhere, for example, that the average lifespan
of an NFL pro-football player is much shorter than average.  Given the
fact that many of these guys spend the entire season doped up on pain
killers and such, I'm not surprised.

Paul


-- 
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                   differently.
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From: mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Is Korean Marathon winner OK ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:50:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The last scene I saw after the Korean won the marathon race (sorry, I
forgot his name, this is NOT a case of freudian slip) -- was that he
collapsed and was carried out in a stretcher.  Maybe NBC showed more
later but if it did, I missed it.  Can anyone tell me if he was OK ?  I
very much hope so.
From: rchen@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ronald K. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Ann Marden, Sculling; What Place?
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:42:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Fourth
From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: The Okino
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:30:08 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug13.185552.29066@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok) writes:
>>
>> And the Okino named for Betty Okino. Not an official move yet but
>>well on it's way to becoming one. 
>
>Can you describe it?
> 
>--Robyn
Isn't that the triple spin (on one foot) on the balance beam?
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douge@antares.tymnet.com          "It's not where you've been,
				   it's where you're going."  - Chris Mullin
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Figure skating dispute (was Re: Synchronized Swimming Dispute)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:38:44 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Aug14.171836.7011@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>
>   I would be willing to make a bet that in 1976 the rules were different. 
>
>Well, I don't have an official rulebook from that period, but a quick
>trip to the library produced two books on skating with copyrights in
>the mid-1970's that both mentioned the bit about the winner being the
>one with the majority of first-place votes.
>
>Also, "The Complete Book of the Olympics" says that Hamill was placed
>first by all nine judges in 1976.  So if you're going to keep
>asserting that poor Diane de Leeuw was somehow cheated out of the
>gold medal by a biased US judge, you'd better produce some references
>to back you up.
>
>-Sandra

OK, I give up. I have no time to do this research. Thus, unless somebody
else backs up my claims, you may consider my claim withdrawn.

Vlad

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From: ml@vcp1.vcp.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: TEAM HANDBALL: Final Results & more...
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:19:47 GMT

G'day,
In article <1992Aug11.043755.7272@news.acns.nwu.edu>, fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
> 
> 		SUNDAY'S RESULTS
> 
> MEN'S BRONZE MEDAL		WOMEN'S BRONZE MEDAL
> France 24, Iceland 20		Unified Team 24, Germany 20
> MEN'S GOLD MEDAL		WOMEN'S GOLD MEDAL
> Unified Team 22, Sweden 20	South Korea 28, Norway 21
> 
> 		FINAL RESULTS
> MEN				WOMEN
> Gold:	Unified Team		Gold:	South Korea
> Silver:	Sweden			Silver:	Norway
> Bronze:	France			Bronze:	Unified Team
> 
> The men's defending Olympic champions beat the defending world champions in
> the final game, giving the Unified Team its second consecutive gold.  The
> three women's medal teams are identical to the 1988 medal teams.  South
> Korea repeated as champions despite loss of the home crowd advantage, and
> Norway won the silver despite only making the tournament because Yugoslavia
> was kicked out.

I remeber that in Seoul that the Soviet Union took out the silver in the womens
handball final.  They were defeated by South Korea in the final and this was
considered as something as a shock because the USSR was the favorite of 'dream
team' proportions.  Well, the Koreans victory in these olympics proves they are
no flash in the pan.

P.S.  I wished Channel 7 showed more Handball and not just pathetic tidbits. 
All the more reason that one television station just cannot cope with something
as huge as the olympics.  It should be distributed amongst many stations:  eg.
ABC - swimming/track & field, Channel 10 - Basketball/Handball/Equestrian...
SBS - soccer/cycling/wrestling... ,,, ect. , ect. , ect.   You know what I
mean.  The question is can the stations afford it and does this justify their
ratings?  Anyway, I'm just raging away, just frustrated with the adhoc way
Channel 7 broadcasting.

P.P.S.  Pissed off with loss of satillite link in the womens marathon.



Cheers,
Mik.

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From: wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho)
Subject: New rules in Olympics
Organization: KAIST
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 05:02:19 GMT

I found some new rules in the summer olympics this year, some of them are
quite reasonable while the others are big mistakes. I have to admit that
those I'm mentioning here are biased to Korean-interested events.

1) Prohibition of back-passing in soccer
It is a great idea. 
I always thought that it delays the game and makes it boring.
I also think that off-side should be eliminated(I know lots of people
out there don't agree on this). Maybe one of the reason soccer is not popular
in US as much as other countries is because not that many goals are being
scored in a game.

2) New Boxing scoring system
Not worth of mentioning. It sucks.

3) Archery
As a Korean, I am really pissed off at this. Archery is a record game, that is,
just like shooting you get scores depending on how near your shot has hit the
target. That's why olympic and world records are maintained. But this year they
changed the rule so that in the preliminary round, the best 32 are selected 
based on their scores, and in the final round, they compete by tournament.
Now it's a competition game just like judo, wrestling, or boxing.
I can't help thinking that this new rule is to prevent Korea from sweeping
the gold medals (Korea has won only two this year).

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From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:11:34 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


I don't put much faith in the low cholesterol article. 
They found that many cancer patients had a low cholesterol level
when they died.  But they said that cancer causes the cholesterol
level to drop.  This hardly proves that low cholesterol levels 
cause cancer.

Also, they say that people with low cholesterol levels are more
likely to be involved in homocides.  

Picture this, two killers are on the street.  One says to the
other, "Hey, Leroy, which one are you gonna kill?"
"I'm gonna kill that one on the left, you know, the one with
the low cholesterol level."

Ridiculous.

Ralph Yozzo
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:4325 rec.sport.soccer:11275
From: jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:

> After one report, in which this gentleman was in an even faster mode than
> normal, after returning to the studio, Bob Costas, just sat there for
> a second, with a stuned look on his face, he then said.
> 
> "Next time try the de-caf."

That would have to be my next-to-least favorite sports commentator, Bud
Collins. My absolute least favorite is figure skating's upper class twit,
Dick Button. My favorite Button quotation:

It is two Winter games back. Some of the women skaters have escalated to
new heights of sexiness in their costumes. One skater's panty has ridden
so far up it might as well be a string bikini. You become aware that
Button's commentary has dried up--forty seconds of awkward silence. The
silence of contemplation, no doubt, since at the end of it Button bursts
out with, "My, she does have skater's legs, doesn't she?"

John
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Games in Australia
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:03:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.044415.8012@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (**Paul Jackson**) writes:
> I just wanted to say that if Australia had the games in 2000 then of course
> the Northern hemisphere athletes will be out of sync. What happens to the
> southern hemishere athletes in 92 you biggotted moron????

Hmmm.  Did you know the Olympics will be held in September 2000 if Sydney
gets them.  I believe it is earlier than the Seoul Olympics of 1988 which
began in mid-September.

Just like in Melbourne, pleasant weather (70F / 23C days), and not like
Barcelona (30-34C/80-95F) days.

So as for any of the northern hemispherians complaining about interrupting
training schedules, then that is simply untrue...

Like the ozone depletion and 110F (40C) days.

> I'm sorry but I'm very very very upset about this......

I can understand the North/South division like in most things economic and
political.

Too bad that people don't realise Australia is a first world developed nation,
one of only a few in the southern hemisphere which goes against the trad-
itional north/south division of this world.

Rod
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From: wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who won the Men's Marathon?
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:37:08 GMT
Organization: KAIST

palmer@hsi.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.145553.12703@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> adusumel@chargers.ent.ohiou.edu (Nagendra Adusumelli) writes:
> >Hi,
> >	It seems nobody posted as to who won the mens
> >	marathon? I would appreciate if some kind soul posts
> >	the news.
> 
> I have a related question, The South Korean won (Hwang Young-Cho) and the
> Japanese (Koichi Morishita) came in second while the German (Stephan Freigang)
> took the bronze.  the Korean and the Japanese runner were running togther
> well ahead near the end until the Korean pulled away.  sometime before that,
> there were three runners in the lead, Hwang Young-Cho, Koichi Morishita, and
> one other.  was this third runner: Takeyuki Nakayama of Japan who came in
> fourth, Hiromi Taniguchi of Japan who came in 8th, Kim Kae-Yong of South
> Korea who came in 10th, or someone totally different?
> 
> I have two co-workers who are about to draw blood over this :-), one is sure
> it's the South Korean while the other is sure it's one of the Japanese runners.
> Both are sure that of the third runner was a teammate of one of the final lead
> two.
> 
> Thanks.
It was Kim, Wanki of Korea, who came in 28th. Obviously, he overpaced.
I guess it was Korean's strategy to sacrifice him.

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From: billw@regal.cisco.com (William )
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.
Organization: cisco Systems, Inc.
	<1992Aug13.012317.24972@walter.bellcore.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:04:27 GMT

> However, in my opinion, it is not the athletes in the USA that have a
> ego problem, it is the American media, especially NBC.  They are so
> one-sided in their coverage, it is unbelievable.  If an American does
> not stand a chance in winning an event, they will not show it.  Worse
> still, if in the middle of a race, if the American falls back, they
> would actually cut away from the coverage and usually show basketball
> highlights.  The Olympics are not an American event, they are a world-wide
> event,

Remember though, that it was american media that made heroines of such
un-american athletes as Olga Korbut and Nadia Comeneci.

BillW
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.230545.24254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:
> I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
> They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
> are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.
> 
> The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
> then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
> cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?

Tom and Jerry are at lunch together.  Tom looks over at Jerry's cheeseburger
and says, "Gee, Jerry, you shouldn't eat all that saturated fat and 
cholesterol.  It's bad for your heart, and all those calories!  No wonder
you're such a tub of lard.  If you'd only eat the way I do," he adds,
pulling out his veggie pasta salad with no-fat dressing, "you'd be
slender and fit, like me.  My blood cholesterol's only 160, you know.
I bet yours is over 240!  Yup, you're looking at a heart attack in 
a few years --"

-- at which point Jerry bashes Tom over the head with his thermos.

Ilana, who has a cholesterol level of 140, and is thinking that the
above-mentioned study is a great excuse for upping her ice-cream consumption. 

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