From: humphrey@hightop.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey [Jeffus])
Subject: Re: ENTJ classification
Organization: Computer Security, Naval Research Lab
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:56:37 GMT

In article <zukor.727995959@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov> zukor@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Karen Zukor) writes:
>me_s420@king.ac.uk (Chris Welch) writes:
>>Simon Dawson (simond@praxis.co.uk) wrote:
>>: + David Caruso II writes :  Any other ENTJs out there?
>>: You suggested some transfer of info about ENTJ's. I'm a reluctant ENTJ.
>
>       [Stuff Deleted]                              If you are not 
>       particularly enamored of your present (non-managerial) task,
>       you will never be promoted to manage anything.  This seems
>       particularly true in scientific fields; the most gifted 
>       scientists get promoted (which they deserve), but they 
>       not necessarily good managers.     [Stuff Deleted]

  [Note that most of my 'response' has nothing to do with Karen's
   article and only the first part is even directly related]

  I found this very interesting in that I've often said (and heard
  other techie's say) that it is unfortunate that most technical people
  feel they have to move away from the enjoyment of highly technical
  endeavors toward management if they plan to make significant money
  over the long haul.  It is my observation that the average amount of
  money made by a techie (in his field) is not as high as the as the
  people who manage him/her.  The reasons for this are beyond me ...
  not everyone thinks that management positions are wonderful.  Some of
  us would simply like to hack code/circuits/whatever ... It is not
  unusual to hear that a techie/manager does some amazing stuff in
  his/her off time ... ;)

  -(On Soap Box)-
  If I thought that my salary would eventually top the salaries of the
  people (possibly less talented, possibly more) who manage me ... I
  would never feel it necessary to leave the domain I love so much ...
  and I would be glad to leave the manager's jobs to the people trained
  to do them.  However (*grumble* *grumble*) as long as a techie feels
  that he/she has to 'move up' to increase his/her salary ... I think
  people trained in management specifically can forget it ...
  -(Off Soap Box)-

  It should be noted that many would be managers 'give up' the salary
  (or whatever motivated them) to return to the 'technical arena' because
  they miss it so much.  It is my guess that an extreme NTP (or other
  technical type) caught in a prolonged close working environment with
  other 'managers' will find him/herself under a lot of stress.

  A party for the techie 'moving up' to the 'big office' often turns out
  to feel more like a funeral.  To call someone a 'manager' is often an
  extreme slap in the face (as in ... 'pass me the soldering iron, you
  manager' [used like the word 'user']).  A group of intense techie's
  will also often know who the 'rising manager' is and will often act like
  he/she is the 'fat kid' in a kick-ball game.  This is unfortunate ...
  but it does happen.

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