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From: "(Jinghong Li)" <jli@AMSC01.ENGR.UDAYTON.EDU>
Subject:      Current Situation and Lobby the White House
Reply-To: "(Jinghong Li)" <jli@AMSC01.ENGR.UDAYTON.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:06:51 GMT
Comments: cc: jli%amsc01@uunet.UU.NET

          Current Situation and Lobby the White House

I have just contacted the IFCSS HQ.  The lastest information they got
from the White House this morning is:  all Departments have responded
to the Bill positively.  The only thing missing now is the Presient's
signature.  And no one is sure when or whether he will sign it.

So, please be calm and continue the pressure as directed by the HQ.

As to the suggestion that a emergency meeting like the previous one held
on Aug.4 be called, my opinion is - not necessary at this time.

The IFCSS Council has just held its 2nd Teleconference last Saturday.
During the meeting, IFCSS President Geng Xiao and HQ Subcommitee CCSA
Chair Zhao Haiqing both agreed that if the Bill is not signed by early this
week, then high pressure lobby should be focused on the White House
immidiately.  For detailed information about Council meeting, please
wait for the Council News Release which should be ready by the end of
this week.

Thanks for your attention.

Jinghong Li
U of Dayton
IFCSS Council Chairperson
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Chinese.news@chinese.umass.edu
Subject:      About Protection Bill/TV Show (forwarded)
Reply-To: Chinese.news@chinese.umass.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:44:59 GMT
Comments: To: China-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

Date: 1992-10-07 16:45:13
To:   Chinese news           ON=CHINESE PD=umass AD=umassmail C=us
From: S8267551@tethys.ucc.umass.edu ON=SATURN-GW
Subj: Re: Protection Bill/TV show tohight

     I wonder if it is wise to force a public showdown on TV. If Bush says
"no", there is absolutely no chance for him to backdown from it later on
no matter what we do. If someone is going to ask the question, it better be
done in a more diplomatic way. The question could begin by mentioning Bush's
China policy faces wide criticism in America and he is charged of failing to
stand by the ideal of human rights and provide adequate protection for CSS.
With regard to the protection bill, how will he deal with it to prove that
these charges are not justified. It is also important to point out that
American people are very concerned with the fate of the bill.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Yuan M Jiang <ymj1@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  Forward: Shen Tong? (III)
Reply-To: Yuan M Jiang <ymj1@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:44:23 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, PHSJJC%EMRYCC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

I guess Steven Ng, whom I do not know personally, was well intentioned
when saying Shen Tong did not play an important role in 1989 --
to reduce the punishment Shen will face from CCP.  However, CCP
and most of us better what Shen did.  I don't think CCP will
base on what Steve Ng said to decide how harsh to punish Shen.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Subject:      IFCSS,CCSA,everyone,
              let us continue to fight for human right of China!
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:13:00 GMT

IFCSS,CCSA and everyone, after S1216 has been signed to law, please do remember
Wei jingsheng, Wang Juntao, Chen Ziming, Shen Tong, and many who are suffering
for the future protection of human right in China. We can not stop here, we must
fight for the freedom of above people and all political prisoners in China. let
together work on rescueing Shen Tong, and those who were arrested by related to
Shen Tong, and all political prisoneres, until one day, the human right of
everyone will be really protected by the law of china.
        IFCSS,CCSA, everyone, together, work on improving the human right of
China.
                                                        Dawei Zhou,Florida
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yhan@ee.tamu.edu (Yong Han)
Subject: Re: What is Shannon Yeh?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:20:08 GMT


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From: "UCLA K.Y." <IAAYROS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to "make" Japan apologize?
Reply-To: "UCLA K.Y." <IAAYROS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:27:00 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt <china-nt@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

 > Sender:       "China-Net (The Coordination Network for IFCSS)"
 > From:         XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
 > Subject:      Re: Re-Transmit Letter to Akihito

 > The only hope for Japanese to really apologize is that if they don't
 > apologize they will risk a huge losses, when Japan needs China much more
 > than China needs Japan, or there is a possibility that a nuclear bomb will
 >                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > be set off in Tokyo to balance off the Rape of Nanking.  If there is no
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > loss by not apologizing, why apologize?
 >
 > So if you really want Japan apologize, help to make China strong
 > economically and enjoy a good relation with other powerful nations such as
 > USA.  Then China can afford to break up with Japan or even go into war
 >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
 > with Japan in order to force Japan to give the apology and compensation.
 > ^^^^^^^^^^
 > William Deng
 > ABD of economics and political science

My major field is not economics and/or political science.  However, I am
afraid that a nuclear bomb "set off in Tokyo" is not acceptable to most
CSS in the US and people back in china, even those who are petitioning for
an apology and compensation.  I believe more than 85% of the men, women,
(and CHILDREN) living in Tokyo, one of the most populous city in the
world, are peace-loving people and should not be considered as hostage for
an apology and financial compensation.  If any Japanese ever reads that
posting, please don't think its suggestion represents the main stream of
CSS and Chinese people, though we really want an apology.

Talking about the "possibility" of setting off an A-bomb at a Japan city,
China already have the power of sending missiles with war head across
the continents.  China's nuclear tests and rocket launching technology is
more than enough to make an explosion hundred of times of the "little boy"
set off on Japan by US air force in 1945.  But as long as there is no real
threat against China, I don't think she should make it a real "possibility"
to the world, regardless how strong China becomes in the future through
the reform.

I support the economic (and political) reform in China.  But the purpose of
"make China strong economically" is to let our people live a better life,
NOT the "affordability" to "go into war with Japan" to force an apology
and compensation.  I think the author of that posting must remember CG has
repeatedly announced it will never try to be a super power in the world
and.  It looks that he does not agree with CG on this issue while strongly
against the CMFN approach.

Kevin
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: jfl@mojave.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Subject: Re:      Forwarding: Mandela Praises China's Government
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:54:10 GMT


In article <Bvw76A.KDn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, "(George Zhu)" <zhu@RISKY.ECS.UMASS.EDU> writes:
|> I got this jewel out of the Oct. 7 issue of the Atlanta Journal and
|> Constitution.

You mean a newspaper from the evil of all sources- US. Why should I
believe what they report. They cover up their own imperialist's behavor
oversea. Why should I trust the US media. In the word of "evil-US" media,
S.Korean students become terrorists, Mandela become racist, S.Africa white 
become peace maker, other religion believers become fundamentalists, and
American Indian who preserved their culture become hardliners. 
Whoever refused to pay protection fee become communist or terrorists.

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From: "J. Cen [404] 727-4676" <PHSJJC@EMRYCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ng's attack on Mr. Shen Tong
Reply-To: "J. Cen [404] 727-4676" <PHSJJC@EMRYCC.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:16:00 GMT

Zhou Dawei (UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET) writes:

>        I have a friend, he was very actively involved Tananmen movement,
>after 6.4, he escaped to countryside to hide for a few days, and before
>CG have time to tighten the airport, he quietly went through the Beijing
>airport gate and come back to the US, (He was a graduate student at
>berkeley), later he actively involved the demonstration in the U.S.

        Fortunate for your friend.  I also personally know someone whose
face actually showed up in the TV, and still got out via "normal" channel.

>        Everybody knows that CG was in some kind disorder for a few days
>after 6.4, therefore, Ng using the example of Shen Tong's leaving from
>China by CSSA on June 11, try to deny Shen Tong's activity,

        Where did Dr. Ng try to deny Shen Tong's ACTIVITY?

>that does not make any sense at all.

        THAT does not make any sense at all.

>        I do not like the behavior, when someone is under arrest, who can
>not defend himself at this moment, someone start to attact his back!

        If you call telling what you know when ASKED by a reporter "attacking",
what do you call NOT telling what you know?  They are working their *ss off
to get the him and others released, at this moment!

>That is absolutely 100% wrong! No excuse! This is 100% unfair!

Down with Stephen Ng!

>I believe that Ng
>only can represent a few who agree with him, he can not represent a
>democratic organization. Otherwise Mr. Ng, need to prove he have got the
>permition from the board of such organization to let him to do the
>wrongdoing!             Dawei Zhou,Florida, 10/13/1992

You only need to BELIEVE, Ng needs to PROVE.  I really like the arrangement.

James J. Cen
Emory University
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From: Weimin Shen <SHEN@JUNO.PHYSICS.WISC.EDU>
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Weimin Shen <SHEN@JUNO.PHYSICS.WISC.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:13:00 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

From: fyang@calshp.cals.wisc.edu

                        I was rubbered by China Bank
                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Here is a recent incident happened in China which shows that
        my basic human rights was raped, rather than protected by the
        national foreign currency bank: China Bank. The truth follows:

        In the middle of April, 1992, I sent a personal check of $100 to my
family in Jining, Inner Mongolia, PR of China.  The check was cashed on May
26, 1992 by China Bank, according to US bank (UW-Credit Union, Madison, WI).
However, I learned from a letter I received September 29, 1992 from my family
that only $80 cash was passed after 3 months pending.  China Bank cheated
my family as saying: "the $20 was deducted by US bank as processing fee" while
China Bank also charged my family 10 Yuan as a processing fee.  When I checked
with my US bank, they told me there is never such a charge!

        What a rubbery!  What a rubbery under sun-light!  I want to use words
like greed, ridiculous, inane, illogic, illegitimate ..., but I just feel it is
not enough to describe their behavior, because they, as a national bank, not
only cheated me, a Chinese Citicen, but also proposterously slandered US bank
for their steeling my money.

        As you all know that under Chinese Constitution, personal property
should be protected.  China Bank, as a national institution, should exert their
role to protect a Chinese Citizen's interest as far as their duty concerned.
But to the contrast, they did the opposite.  What a dismay to me!  $20 is not
too much, but significant enough to a poor student like me.  The most
disturbing feeling I got was, where shall I lay my trust on ???  A national
bank behaves like this, then where is the hope of the country ???

        I will appreciate very much if any one can share with me your
        experience, suggestions, comments or any help on this incidence.

                                Yang Fu-Lin
                                Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
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From: N1.JYZ@isumvs.iastate.edu (joe)
Subject: Sue Shannon
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:26:18 GMT

Hi! Folks:

I strongly agree with the idea to sue this Shannon Yeh. He has
passed the boundary of free speech. IFCSS should file a
class action case against him letter and remarks. Let's show
him the justice he deserves!

A ordinary chinese student.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Subject: future of china
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:17:45 GMT

Dear netters,

I have a friend who did a PhD in the UK and has recently finished and went back
to China. During his stay, he saw Liu4 Si4 on BBC and he couldn't believe it
really happened. He defended the PRC government by saying that the PLA would
never fire at the innocent civilians.

Now he's back in China. He had the chance to earn some money whilst in UK, so
in China he's a rich man. He has tried to fit in the Beijing university life
after having his PhD.

He is so disappointed with the system: his (uneducated) political bosses at the
university are trying to limit his freedom and making sure that he will not
become to successfull in his career. They fear that they will lose their
position because of him.

Recently, he has become so frustrated that now he wants to leave his job and
start some commercial enterprise on his own, just to make some money and be
his own boss, more or less.

This is what PRC government is doing to its intellectuals.

Regards,
Martijn
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Freedom or persecution
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:34:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.214715.18683@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>  I donot want to get into your arguement.  There is only one thing I want to
>say: can we be proud just because we are Chinese, not because we are born
>Americans, current Americans, or future Americans?  I donot think we need to
>get a citizenship to have the equal right, do you?  You donot get promoted to
>a higher race (if there is such a thing) when you become an American citizen,
>you are still you.  It starts to get into my nerves that CSS keep saying 'once
>we become American citizen'.  That is not something you should be proud of,
>especially the way you get it.  
>
>  Brian 

I can understand your feeling. I would have this kind of feeling
too if I were you. I guess my reaction to Amy Hu was meant to
say what you have said, only in a different form.

Make your nerve a little stronger. It will only make you healthier.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: FUW@conan.ie.orst.edu
Subject:      Re: China Bank
Reply-To: FUW@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:44:56 GMT
Comments: To: cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU, CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Date:       Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:31:43 -0400
> Reply-to:   Chunde Shi <cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU>
> From:       Chunde Shi <cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU>
> Subject:    China Bank
> To:         Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT <CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu>

> Before You starting to trash the country, PRC which happened to my country,
> make sure who, China Bank, or your master US' bank is lying. It only
> reveals your slave metality that your jump gun that China Bank is lying.
> Event China Bank is lying, is it China Bank policy to do the lying or
> some crook in the Bank did it?



I absolutely believe that China Bank was lying! I have couple of friends
experienced the same thing with China Bank, although they had different U.S.
banks.  Don't get messed up with your lovely patriotism and recognizing
reality.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Subject:      caution
Reply-To: "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:30:32 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

I don't want to sound faulse alarms, but I think there is possibility that
CCP recruiter is working on the net. I don't know how many there are, but
at least one, posing as a 'regular reader', is collecting e-mail address
of fellow netters and then sending them e-mail, persuade them 'to doing sth
for CCP' (sic).
Yes, you guessed it, I got one of those e-mail. Of course I ignored it.

P.S. We hold it self-evident that all CCP recruiters are SOB.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Lian Zheng <LZHENG@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject:      Sign on for my freind
Reply-To: Lian Zheng <LZHENG@ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:21:00 GMT

Hi dear China-NT manager,
please put my freind in the China-nt subscribsion.  His e-mail address is

FKONG@ucs.indiana.edu
==================================
Thanks alot.
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From: STONEKING@FNAL.BITNET
Subject:      RE: victory over S1216
Reply-To: STONEKING@FNAL.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:33:00 GMT

Hi,
        Should we send thanks letters to the white house in a moderate way?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A Moral Issue
Reply-To: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:50:19 GMT

In <1992Oct9.132909.3805@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.084904.8015@ac.dal.ca>, poppy@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> 
>> Cliton was against U. S. invasion when he was in England in 70's.
>> Those Chinese students are against the "CCP dictatorship" in U. S today.
>> What is the difference?
>> 
>> Dose Mr. Bush think it is morally wrong for Chinese students to demonstrate
>> against their own country (represented by the CCP goverment) ? 

>	** You are very confused.

>	   Chinese students in US are against a government who
>	   is killing her own people.

>	   While Mr. Clinton was against a government tried her
>	   best to protect people.
		           ^^^^^^
>	   If you think the above are the same situation, you have
>	   problem.

If you think the US government were right to involve in Vietnam because it
tried to protect people, you have problem. What people did it try to protect?
American People or Vietnam People? American soldier were killed there and
they also killed a lot of innocent Vietnam people. Even American people
realized that and were against the war. Watch those movies and think why they
are welcome by the people.

You are really complimenting the US government. But you do it too much even
American people would not accept it.

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From: JIM CHENG <60968893@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Congratulations!
Reply-To: JIM CHENG <60968893@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:58:32 GMT

Congratulations! IFCSS, IFCSS/CSSA and Zhao Haiqin. Thank you for leading
the lobby tirelessly. We are so happy to see that as long as we work together
we can win what we deserve.
 Jim from Washington State University
From: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Ping Ding)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Has the bill been signed?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:24:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

My friend told me that the bill has been signed by the president,
Anybody can confirm this?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: rochen@ee.umn.edu (Grad Student Rong Chen)
Subject: questions to protection bill supporters
Organization: Electrical Engineering, U of MN, Mpls.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:41:51 GMT


There is some question I want to ask all those who plan to use the bill to
immigrate. I ask these questions because I cannot believe only a few people
are bother by this bill.

1) Do you feel at least a little bit guilty about doing so? You may very well
choose to use the bill to avoid several years of uncertainty and agony in 
getting a green card on your own, even though you do feel somewhat uneasy about
this bill. 

2) If IFCSS is to put demoncracy and freedom in China in its first priority, 
then has anyone thought about the after-effects of this bill? How does IFCSS
expect to work with people in China in the future to promote demoncracy and
freedom when the June 4th incident was used to get "protection" for people in
US?

3) I assume most people who support the bill think it is practical and having
witnessed so much corruption in China, there is little reason to risk a 
chance to stay here with some moral concerns. This is the classical issue
of utilitatianism versus ethic. Does the way to get green card really don't
matter anymore?

I asked this question seriously and I expect sincere answers. Any flaming,
name-calling, cursing should go to /dev/null.

I used to be more radical than I am now, but I have always been willing to 
listen to different opinions.

Rong Chen



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From: JDW5139@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU
Subject:      forwarded: Next Move for Group B?
Reply-To: JDW5139@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:06:39 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

------------------------forwarded without comments-------------------------
>>	For those came after 4/90, we'll all keep eyes open for them. Who
>>knows what will happened in China in the next year.  The important thing is
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Here, your logic is very interesting to me. Do you expect that those came
>after 4/90 can use another June 4th massacre as excuse to get green??

	No, they don't need an excuse. USA is a country respects equal rights
and freedom for all. If by next July, China is not safe for the group A, it
will not be safe to the group B member also. Brothers sisters must help each
other, they helped us on the protection bill, we should help them in the future.
More important, the group B should help themselves by organized action like the
group A. Some people suggested we group A should contribute $10 each to IFCSS.
Maybe IFCSS should also begin a donation account to collect donations from the
group A to begin planning and doing a campaign to give them some protection. At
least they can begin study the best stretagy for the "group B campaign": a bill,
or a executive order? A low-key campaign, or a high-key campaign? Or else?

	A CSS from group A
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: fgg8386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Fangpu Gao)
Subject: Re: IFCSS membership
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:34:39 GMT

"(Wanbing Li)" <wanbing@HERCULES.GEOLOGY.UIUC.EDU> writes:

>Dear IFCSS activists:

>	At this moment, people are exciting about IFCSS. Many CSS agree IFCSS
>has done a lot for them.

>	But from my point of view, the only way IFCSS can survive is

>COMPLETELY CHANGE ITS ORGANIZATION MEMBERSHIP INTO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP

>This is the ONLY way out. Do you want to have a revolution on yourself.

>Wanbing Li From UIUC


Agree with your opinion.




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