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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:17:03 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 270

In this issue:
            Brown, same-sex marriage, and the government(s)
                     Visiting L.A. and SanFrancisco
                     Brian Evans's inaccuracte info
                                 outing
              Gay-rights Bill in Rhode Island Legislature
                                SPECTRUM
                            Pro-choice March
                              Arthur Ashe
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 268
                      when is nyc gay pride march
                      Non-Discrimination Policies
       Univ. of Wisc. Anti-Discrimination Statements and Policies

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Date:    Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: NICKELSRJ@RASCAL.GUILFORD.EDU
Subject: Brown, same-sex marriage, and the government(s)

_Washington Blade_, Vol. 23, No. 14   April 3, 1992, reads:
        ...Brown's deputy press secretary, Tom Pier, said Brown supports
        domestic partnership legislation on the local level but opposes
        "federal legislation" recognizing Gay marriages...
Now, this probably upset a lot of people who know little or nothing about the
federal powers vs. the states' rights.  (please forgive me for using the term
"states' rights", I am aware how it has been *mis*used by people like Strom
Thurmond, etc.)  The federal government has never had any right to legislate
on issues of marriage.  Our system is set up so that institutions that vary due
to differing moral and ethical beliefs among the people can be governed
 locally.This protects the general populace from having all of its government
 control
emanate from Washington.  In recognition of the diversity of the nation, we
allow states to decide themselves what constitutes "marriage."  For the federal
government to make such a determination would bring us one step closer to
fascism.
On the other hand, it is perfectly within the federal judiciary to declare
unconstitutional governmental discrimination of any kind, at any level.  All
states are subject to the Constitution -- they should not, however, be subject
to federal control.  For Brown to say yes to federal legislation recognizing
same-sex marriage would be a *very* bad thing.  Equality through federal
domination is not the answer.  If we relinquish the right to govern ourselves
locally, we are left in the hands of Washington.  And that frightens me.

Sorry for the tirade,
--rj

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Date:    Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:24 CDT
From: RATTANA@ccm.UManitoba.CA
Subject: Visiting L.A. and SanFrancisco

Hi! there,

I am Thai student doing my PhD in Canada at present. I
will be visiting L.A. next Wednesday (April 15) to April
17, 1992. Also, I will be going to San Francisco on the
25th for 5 days. However I don't know anyone there.
Would anyone suggest me of the accommodation
(cheap & safe) or tour me around the areas, I will
really appreciate. Please contact me via email to
rattana@ccu.Umanitoba.ca or rattana@ccm.Umanitoba.ca.

Thank you very much.

Nipon Rattanawangcharoen

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Date:         Thu, 09 Apr 92 17:11:41 PDT
From: Charles Phelps <PHELPS@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Brian Evans's inaccuracte info

Brian Evans made the claim a few gaynets ago that females are just as
likely to murder males as males are to murder females.  This is not
verified by the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports for the United States (also
called Crime in the United States).  This is *THE* standard source for
crime statistics for the U.S.  Brian, look at the bottom of page 11 of
the 1990 edition.  There you see a chart entitled "Victim/Offender
Relationship by Race and Sex, 1990".  It shows that in 1990 in the U.S.,
2,328 females were murdered by males, and only 1,121 males were murdered
by females.  In other words, there were less than half as many males
murdered by females as there were females murdered by males.  I don't
know what source you used for your stats, but it couldn't be any more
reliable than what I've quoted here.

Charles Phelps
Science & Engineering Library
U of Southern California

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeremy Black <blackjt@u.washington.edu>
Subject: outing

Both David Geffen and Sandra Bernhard were outed and both of them have
become spokespeople in their own ways for some queer issues.  At least
Sandra identifies herself as a woman who fucks women in her shows, and
that is a good thing.  So, in response to the individual in indiana who
asked if qn really does that sort of thing.  well, queer nation and other
people really do out celebrities and sometimes it turns out rather
wonderfully for the thousands of teenagers who happen to identify with
that one celebrity.  maybe they won't have to kill themselves now.

-jeremy (a former teenage suicide attempt statistic AND a current out
writer/entertainer)

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Date:         Thu, 09 Apr 92 22:51:20 EDT
From: "Jonathan Lubin, RIALGCR" <MA406000@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject:      Gay-rights Bill in Rhode Island Legislature

   The gay rights bill in Rhode Island has already gotten
farther this year than ever before, and we're holding our
breath waiting to see if the thing can maintain its momentum.
*
  In previous years, the influential and gay-friendly Chair
of the House Judiciary Committee, Jeffrey Teitz of Newport,
has always counseled us to accept a "half-loaf" bill covering
only credit and public accommodations, and wait till later
years for the bread-and-butter issues of housing and employment.
In our most recent near-miss, two years ago, it was just such
a half-loaf bill that was defeated on the House floor in a
tie vote.
*
  This year, however, with the skillful aid of our principal House
sponsor, Frank Gaschen, the House Judiciary Committee voted 9-1
to send the whole bill to the floor of the House. We expect a vote
in that chamber within a week or two.
*
  In the Senate, the situation is not so favorable. You may
remember that we were completely stymied last year when Thomas Lynch,
the homophobic Chair of Senate Judiciary, called a vote when all the
supporters of the bill, including its principal sponsor, were
out of town or out of the room. This year we have two enthusiastic
fresh(wo)man senators as principal sponsors, Senators Myrth York
and Rhoda Perry, working their butts off to make all the contacts
and get the bill through the committee process and the ensuing floor
debate. On the recommendation of Senator John Bevilacqua, Majority
Leader, we got the bill into Finance instead of Judiciary, where
we would have a marginally better lineup. Sen. Bevilacqua has
assured us that he would make use of his ex-officio vote on the
committee to support the bill when it came up. Today we had a
hearing in Senate Finance, just eight days after our performance
in House Judiciary. Christopher Burke, President of the RI Alliance
for L&G Civil Rights, remarked that it was a class act both times,
making the "Christo-fascists" on the other side of the issue
look like the rankest amateurs. Our position was helped considerably
by a very strong letter from the Governor, as well as one from the
Attorney General, both read before the committee today.
*
  Whatever success we have is due to the amazing amount of work
put in by: our previous VP for Lobbying & Campaigns, Michael Thompson;
our current VP for L&C, Julie Pell, member of a well-known political
family in the state, who has spoken to just about every one of the
150 members of the General Assembly; and Jim Stascavage, a newcomer
to the state, who has pitched in and coordinated all our contacts
with potential testifiers.
*
  Wish us luck!
                                                                   jdL

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:22:42 -0500
From: Chris Rosebrook <cjrose@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: SPECTRUM

I am pleased to announce the formation of a new University of Iowa group called
SPECTRUM: The Heterosexual-Lesbigay Alliance.  The group was founded by a
coalition of straight and lesbigay friends to promote friendship, understanding
and equal rights among people of all sexual orientations.  We currently hope
to address various issues from the needs of lesbigay youth in Iowa City to
fighting homophobia on campus.    We'd love to hear from any other groups of
this kind that might exist out there.  We look forward to working together with
the existing lesbigay groups on campus to make The University of Iowa a safer
and more pleasant place for people of all sexual orientations.

Christopher Rosebrook, moderator
SPECTRUM: HAL
cjrose@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:44:07 -0800
From: b_blumberg@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg)
Subject: Re:  Pro-choice March

LAPACHECO@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes ...
>
>In a recent posting, Peter Nardi asked if the media were still "forgetting
>the Lesbian and Gay March on Washington in 1987."  Actually, the _New_York
>Times_ Monday edition mentioned the 1987 March in a blurb titled "March Was
>Big.  But How Big?"  The article stated that the park police estimated the Gay
>rights rally at 200,000 while organizers put the turnout at 500,000.  So, to
>answer your question, Peter, I don't think the NYT has forgotten about the
>march.

Well, Peter Nardi and I live in Southern California, where we get the
L.A. Times instead of the N.Y. Times.  The LA Times is usually almost
adequate about covering our lives.  However I read with dismay when they
omitted mentioning our 1987 march in comparing the sizes to previous
marches.  They said that the Pro-Choice march was the 3rd largest in
history, next to the Martin Luther King "I have a dream" march on
Washington and one other march which I seem to be forgetting already.

In any case, the L.A. Times, as did most other newspapers--if they
bothered not mention our march at all--put the figure in 1987 at
100,000 people.  We know that was wrong because the National Park
Service released that estimate while people were still arriving in
the mall.  They just never revised their estimate once everyone
had arrived.

Newsweek, Time and U.S. News never even mentioned the 1987 march.
I wrote to Newsweek and complained.  They wrote back and said that
they have difficulty coving "Sunday Stories" because the magazine
goes to press on Saturday night and if it waits until the following
week, then it's old news by then, and they figure that nobody's
interested any more.

I retaliated for two years (since I was a subscriber) and I sent every
postage paid subscription card back to Newsweek with the statement
"No coverage of the 1987 March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay
Rights, then No Money from Me."

Well, I don't know if it changed their editorial policy, but apparently
other people were doing it because I very quickly noticed that the
number of cards in the magazine dropped from 5 to 2 each week.

Enough said.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM

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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet
From: craven@cco.caltech.edu (William Arthur Craven)
Subject: Re: Arthur Ashe
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:46:03 GMT
Apparently-To: bit-listserv-gaynet@ucsd.edu

gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU writes:
>Arthur Ashe was the first African-American *male* to win a grand slam tennis
>tournament. I believe there was an African-American woman who won a grand
>slam event. [Forgot her name]

	It was Althea Gibson. She won Wimbledon & US Open in the '50's, I
believe.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Craven               Anything I say can and will be held against me.
Fusion Research Center    Just don't hold it against anyone else.
UT Austin                 Grad school *is* the ninth circle of hell. :)

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Date:         Thu, 09 Apr 92 23:36:24 EDT
From: Bill Beeman <WBEEMAN@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject:      Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 268

Re: Tim Byrnes request for information concerning treatment
of gay/lesbian alcoholic youth.

I can recommend an excellent book:
DUAL IDENTITIES: Counseling chemically dependent gay men and lesbians.
by Dana G. Finnegan and Emily B. McNally
(Center City, MN: Hazelden Books, 1987).

According to the authors there is only one Inpatient alcoholism
dependency rehabilitation facility in the nation specializing
in treatment of lesbians and gays.  It is:
PRIDE Institute
14400 Martin Drive
Eden Prarie, MN  55344
Tel.  (800) 547-7433

They list a number of outpatient organizations:

Gay Council on Drinking Behavior
Whitman-Walker Clinic
2335 18th Street N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
Tel. (202) 332-5295

Gay and Lesbian Counceling Service
c/o 600 Washington St. #219
Boston, MA 02111
(617) 542-5188

Gay & Lesbian Community Services Center
Box 38777
1213 N. Highland Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90038
(213) 464-7400

18th Street Services
215B Market Street
San Francisco, CA 94114
(415) 861-4898

Several other sources are listed, and an extensive
bibliography.  Another book from the same publisher
is:
The Homosexual Alcoholic:  A.A.'s Message of Hope.

Hazelden Publishers
Pleasant Valley Road
Box 176
Center City, MN 55012-0176
(800)328-9000

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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet
From: cmcl2!panix.com!roy@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Radow)
Subject: Re: when is nyc gay pride march
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:35:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In digest <9204090413.AA05448@Toto.MIT.EDU> gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU writes:

>When will the gay pride march take place in new york city?
>post directly to me please:

>daileyka@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

>andy dailey
>vanderbilt

New York City Pride March is always the last Sunday in June.

This year that would be June 28th.  Come one, come all.

Yours in Liberation,

Roy




-
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North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample
Bulletin, publications list and membership information send $1.00 postage
to: NAMBLA Info,  Dept.RR,  PO Box 174,  Midtown Station,  NYC NY  10018.

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From: Ron.DeVrou@p819.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ron DeVrou)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 22:38:36 -0500
Subject: Non-Discrimination Policies

On 4/8/92 David E. Woolwine wrote

> .....looking for a list of colleges and universities which have an *external*
>statement prohibiting discrimination against gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals,
>or against  any sexual orientation. I would especially appreciate seeing
>versions of wording for this statement.

David,

The National Gay & Lesbian Task Force in Washington DC keeps a listing of
universities and has written a newsletter offering direction to persons working
on non-discrimination policies at the university level.   A copy can be
obtained
by either calling or writing to:

                       NGLTF-Campus Project
                       1734 Fourteenth St NW
                       Washington, DC 20009
                       202-332-6483

Or leave me a email message with your snailmail address and i will forward one
to you.

Ron DeVrou
Program Assistant-Campus Project
NGLTF

Ron.DeVrou@f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:46 CDT
From: "schultz, lauren" <SCHULTZ@polisci.wisc.edu>
Subject: Univ. of Wisc. Anti-Discrimination Statements and Policies

The University of Wisconsin has a complex series of statements and
policies designed to eliminate various forms of discrimination. Below
are the two which are most likely to apply.  One is a Wisconsin State
Statute that covers the entire University of Wisconsin System..  The
other is the University of Wisconsin-Madison's basic policy statement.
I f anyone is interested I can obtain more detailed info about UW policy
and proceedure.

There was also a major effort at Madison to ban ROTC.  This galvanized
considerable student and faculty support.  As I understand it, the issue
died because the Regents of the Univ of Wisc System would not enact
policy to force ROTC to either comply with the UW's anti-discrim.
statement or withdraw from campus.  Unfortunately, I don't know as much
about this as I could or should.  I can get more info, however, if it will
help.

-lauran (schultz@polisci.wisc.edu)
(PS Good Luck!)

     S.36.12
     Statute of the State of Wisconsin

     "No student may be denied admission to, participation in or the
     benefits of, or discriminated against in any service, program,
     course, or facility of the (UW) system or its institutions or
     centers because of the student's race, color, creed, religion,
     sex, national origin, disability, ancestry, age, sexual orient-
     ation, pregnancy, marital status, or parental status."


     Equal Employment Opportunity Policy
     University of Wisconsin-Madison

     "In accordance with all applicable federal and state statutes
     and regulations, it has been and will continue to be the policy
     of this University to protect and to provide redress against
     discrimination in the employment of qualified individuals on the
     basis of race, creed, color, religion, national origin, sexual
     orientation, or ancestry, sex, or age."

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