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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: toxemia and induction
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:58:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



Once again I seek the wisdom of the net.

I have been suffering from mild toxemia for a while now and have 
3.5 weeks till my due date. I went to my OB today and, although
my blood pressure has stabilized and the swelling in my feet
has gone down I am now spilling protein. 

She is concerned about me having a seizure and she doesn't
want the pregnancy to go beyond term. She is now talking 
about inducing me. I have yet to start effacing and the baby
hasn't dropped yet so she wants schedule a c-section if my
body doesn't show any signs of progression by next week.

I am getting really bummed out as I watch my pregnancy go
from normal to lets do every medical intervention possible.
Is my doctor an alarmist or is this the normal route with
toxemia? I am beginning to really dread my appointments and
feel like I am under a lot of pressure to get this baby out
by a certain date. It is beginning to feel totally unnatural
and different from all that I umagined it would be.

Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.
-Ali

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I'm going to Lamaze class. I'm not pregnant. I'm just
having trouble breathing. -Steve Wright
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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Perms, Dyes, and pregnancy ????
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:57:07 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams) writes:
>|> Since then, perms etc are perfectly safe to use while pregnant, although
>|> according to my hairdresser, perms often don't take as well on
>|> pregnant women.

I had a perm done on the day after my husband's birthday.  It was a
Saturday, and my hairdresser asked "are you doing anything special
tonight?".  I told her I was taking my husband out for his birthday,
and so she said "we'll do you up real sexy then".  

I got pregnant that night, and my perm was gone in less than two
weeks.  



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smoptim@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov (Durba Murthy)
Subject: Birth Announcement - Sravya Ravali Durbha
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:18:08 GMT

Murthy and Shyamala Durbha proudly announce the birth of their first
daughter on July 19, 1992.

Name:	Sravya Ravali Durbha
Weight: 5 lbs 1oz  (Early baby)


Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:50:20 EDT
From: <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ear infection alternatives?
Distribution: world

In article <24855@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
says:
>
>My son David (almost 6 months) had his first cold last week, and
>now has his first ear infection. The doctor prescribed
>ampicillin.
>
>David's babysitter just told me that he will have massive
>diarrhea, and a bad diaper rash as a result of the antibiotics.
>Is this unavoidable?

My daughter has not had a chronic problem with ear infections, but she has
had about 5 or 6 of them, with the first three occurring between 6 months &
15 months of age. Each time the doctor prescribed amoxicillin, and each time
the ear infection cleared up after one course of treatment.  She never had
any side effects from the medicine.

Carol Fischer (Mom to Katie, 3.5 yrs old, and ???? due next week :-))
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need help with Assisting my child with dyslexia
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:02:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <64247@hydra.gatech.EDU> ad4@prism.gatech.EDU (Angela Dubose) writes:
->
->        Once again, hello, misc.kid folks.  I need some advice...  My
->daughter, Mandy, who will soon be five is still writing backwards.  My
->brother has dyslexia and I found out recently that it runs in my mother's
->side of the family.  I have quizzed the doctor previously in this regards
->[about brother's dyslexia and experiences]

One of the public's biggest misconception is that dyslexia -> learning
defiicent.  i would highly recommend that you ensure that your child's
teacher either know how to teach dyslexic kids or find someone who does...
not being able to learn like the other kids do can be a frustrating
experience indeed.

best of wishes to your child's education,

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: "SHE DESERVED TO GET HIT"!!!!!!!
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:11:22 EDT

Okay, I've taken enough flak this week to become a registered metal
recycler, so let me take a few hits here too.

Even though my wife and I would like to think that we would find a better
way to do things, neither one of us thinks that all people who hit their
kids should categorically be labeled child abusers.

For some reason, I don't see Alan Y as the type of person who would
repeatedly punch the kid out just because she looked the wrong way.

I had a teacher in high school who was telling about how one of his sons
ran out in the middle of the street.  He said that he ran out to grab the
kid, and when he had him safely back on the sidewalk, he swatted the kid
one...he said that there are some things that the kid should associate
with pain, and running out in the street is one of them.

Remember that this idea of *never* hitting kids is a relatively new one,
and I really don't think that you can expect all of us who grew up under
the old "get the wooden spoon" system to totally consign others who use it
to the category of terrible human beings...especially when you see that
most of us turned out pretty normal (yeah...I know...I'm the guy who's
afraid of the letter Q...and did I mention my great fear of wooden cooking
utensils?).

You also have to remember that your mileage may vary.  You may have a kid
who responds rather well to just being talked to about what they did
wrong.  On the other hand, someone else might have a kid who figures "Oh,
I'll only get talked to about it," and won't really get the message until
you give the kid a swat.

Also, my wife just reminded me that you average garden variety spanking on
the butt doesn't really harm the kid...it just stings a little.  Of
course, there are those of you who maintain that this teaches kids that
the use of violence is okay, but how many of you really mean to say that
it is *never* okay in *any* circumstance?

But for Pete's sake, let's realize that there's a great difference between
beating a kid black and blue, and giving them an occasional swat for
punishment.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: breastfeeding
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:24:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <13620@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@swift.cellb.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

>One friend told me her sister twenty years ago *tried* to nurse each of her
>first three babies, but ended up each time with raw, bleeding nipples. If only
>she'd known about getting all of the areola into the baby's mouth! And a couple
>of other details.

This is yet another YMMV;  I *tried* to get all of my areola
into my daughter's mouth, but there was no way it would fit!  I
was worried, because all the books said I was nursing wrong.  I
finally broke down and asked the lactation consultant about it; she
said not to worry about it, as long as the baby had a generous
mouthful of nipple, which she did.  My daughter wasn't premature;
I just have large areolas.  I'd have had to use a shoehorn to get
the whole areola into her mouth.

Odd, the personal confessions one makes to 100,000 strangers.
This is almost as bad as going on Geraldo....
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: 28 Jul 1992 18:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <2A7492BF.301E@intercon.com>, ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
|> In article <LOWRY.92Jul27141802@rotor.watson.ibm.com>, lowry@watson.ibm.com 
|> (Andy Lowry) writes:
|> > 
|> > I'd be interested to know what reasons there would be against using
|> > EFM.  Thanks!
|> 
|> The downsides are as follows:
|> 
|> 	The medical staff spends more time with the monitor than with the woman

Not true in my case. This is a matter of how good the staff are, I think,
which certainly varies.

|> 	EFM's are VERY inaccurate and may actually up the section rate

I always found it very helpful to have the good results from the monitor 
to placate my doctor who was worried about other problems, mainly before 
I ever went into labor. They probably do increase the c-section rate, 
though. Probably a fair number of cases where fetal distress appears 
would turn out perfectly okay without the c-section that follows. 

|> 	EFM's restrict you from walking around

True, but only partially, as you can always unplug yourself and go for 
a walk. The staff at Methodist in Houston insist that you go for a walk,
in between monitorings, unless there's a reason not to.

|> 	EFM's confine you to bed on your back

Not true. Except when you unplug them, you are confined to the area 
within a yard or two of the machine, though. If a staff member tries
to make you lie on your back, don't let them, there's no good reason
for it. Sometimes they did make me lie on my left side, for the baby's
sake.

Other downsides? The EFM itches, when the conducting gel (identical in
appearance to KY jelly) starts to dry around the edges. Any positive 
side? I loved being able to hear my baby's heartbeat going steadily along,
throughout the experience. It's easy to forget that there's really
a baby in there, that you're doing all this for, and the heartbeat's a 
reminder.

Laura's point that you shouldn't refuse the new technology unless you 
have access to the old technology is excellent, I think. Refusing 
intermittant monitoring is fine if you're being checked with a fetoscope--
idiotic if not. It would be much better to stay home and be checked by 
a midwife with a fetoscope than go to the hospital and refuse to let 
them do it in the only way they now know how, I think. (Obviously this 
has nothing to do with Mikki's points that I'm following up on.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: peggy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:05:27 PDT
Reply-To: peggy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us

In article <1992Jul27.195837.26820@watson.ibm.com>, lisa@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger) writes:
> 
> Based on numerous studies showing EFM was unnecessary, in 1988 the ACOG 
> was considering reversing its guidelines that currently calls for use 
> of EFM in high-risk pregnancies.  I do not believe they have actually 
> done this - and my understanding is that it is mostly legal issues that 
> have stopped them.  There are just too many lawyers in this country.

My midwife has a generous view on this which I think is worth mentioning.
She said that you couldn't really blame people for suing doctors,
since medical costs in the USA are so high.  Suing is often the
only way to pay the new doctors!  Especially, she said, with a newborn
who has problems, because medical costs could go on for the rest of
their lives, which could obviously be a pretty long time.

That's a generous opinion, I think, because she has to pay exhorbitant
malpractice insurance, and she could just gripe about it, but she
is more understanding.

> 
> >Another upside is that the coach knows before the
> >mother-to-be when labor pains are beginning to subside.  
> 
> I want my husband to pay attention to me - not a machine.  
> ---lisa leutenegger
>    lleut@watson.ibm.com

A woman I know was on a monitor and started labor (she was already
in the hospital for complications).  She told the nurses she
was in labor.  "No," they said, looking at the monitors.  "You're
not in labor yet."

It took them hours to realize that the machine was hooked up 
incorrectly.  She was indeed in labor.

It's important to remember that the mother is there.

--peggy dolgenos

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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:23:29 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <r!jmmbr.shannah@netcom.com>, shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
> 
> However, I'm going to nitpick here a bit and take issue with the
> comment about the friend who is paranoid about germs.

[Teri talks about people being cavalier about their colds/flu symptoms around
others]

> I have asthma.  While I may seem paranoid to some, why should I
> have to deal with being sick, and having asthma on top of it (which
> makes me more prone to colds and flu, not to mention more miserable
> when I do get them) when the solution is simple: don't infect others
> when you're sick.  If people must come in to work sick, why not stay
> in their offices, and not go around breathing on all of their coworkers?
> If someone has children who are sneezing cold germs all over, why
> take them out to infect others?
> 
> I wouldn't want to share a caregiver with someone who would send their
> child in sick.  This is why I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid
> having to send my children-to-be to daycare.  I watch the same
> coworkers who come in and breathe colds and flu all over me send their
> children to daycare with the same illnesses.  I realize that sometimes
> things can't be helped, but when I see people with weeks and weeks of
> time off accrued in the office because they didn't want to take the
> time off, I think that's incredibly rude.


Hear, hear!  I suppose this is another facet of "styles of parenting" but I
also get pretty uptight when my kids are around other children and their mother
blithely mentions that they are "having a little cold" or "just getting over
something"!  I was once sitting holding my (then) 2-month old daughter at a
block party when the hostess, noticing her toddler hovering over the baby,
cheerfully commented "better not let Ashley kiss the baby...she's had this cold
she just can't seem to shake". ARGHHH!!

Toddlers, and children in general, have some kind of homing instinct to get
right up in baby's faces anyway, and I am ALWAYS gently shooing them away. 
I'll admit that with my second child I've gotten rather less concerned for
being polite and simply say "let's don't touch her face".  But I have to agree
that I wouldn't want to share a babysitter with a parent who would send a sick
child.  I also don't particularly subscribe to the wisdom of "well, they are
going to get sick, might as well build up the antibodies".  Forget it, I'd
rather wait as long as possible--the bigger and stronger my kid is the more
I'll be willing to build antibodies...

Ann Helmers
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 14:55:22 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute Things They Say (2-1/2 YO)
 <92211.071704ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>

We were excitedly anticipating the opening ceremony for the Summer Olympics
on Saturday night, and we heard the first strains of the "Olympic Theme Song"
--with the familiar booming kettle drums.  With this, Jamie's face lit up,
and he said "Dinosaurs!"  (the t.v. show)

"No!" we said.  "OLYMPICS!!!"

--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Waters Break...Go to Hospital..Why?  (was Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise))
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:33:29 GMT

In article 16602@ttinews.tti.com, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>Our OB has this on a plaque on his wall: "Thou shalt not go unto the
>hospital before thou art 5 cm dilated".

As I remember my OB's instructions (5.5 years ago) it was when the
contractions are closer than 4 minutes or your water breaks.

Now my question (I've always wanted to know this and never got around
to asking my OB):  why go in immediately when your waters break?

In my case it was 2am, we arrived about 2:45 and then just mostly sat
and walked around for about 10 hours before any labor started.  I could
have done that at home.

I know from my doctor brother-in-law that 24 hours after the waters
break is a danger point due to infection, but the first 10?  I'm also
aware that you are not supposed to take a bath if your waters break for
the same reason but in that case simply telling the mom not to take a
bath would resolve that.  So, what is it about water breaking before
active labor that gets you put in the hospital.  What are they
concerned about in the early phase?



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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: Pre Conception Books
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:21:04 GMT

In article <Bs1z95.M6u@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS) writes:
>Hello to all you parents out there. I have been reading this news 
>group for a while but this is the first time I've had a reason to
>post.
> 
>My husband and I have decided to start our family. We want to start
>trying in January. What I'm wondering is, does anyone know of a good 
>book on preconception that I should read. It would also help if you
>knew if it was available in Canada. Or if you have any advice to pass
>along it would be most appreciated.

I found a book called the "Pre-Pregnancy Planner" very useful.  Sorry I
don't know the author (it's now on loan to a friend) or whether it's
available in Canada.  I would think you could find it through Books In
Print.  Good luck!
Print.  Good luck.> 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reeds@infonode.ingr.com (Steve Reed)
Subject: Re: Infants in swimming pools/i
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:35:00 GMT

kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:

>Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:

>My 2YO son loves being in the water with me. I was wondering what's the
>method to use to teach him how to hold his breath, or is he too little for
>this yet?

We have three children and have taken them swimming at very early ages.  
We were interested in 'teaching' the infants to swim.  We were told by 
a swimming instructor that indeed babies can swim, but as they lose 
their baby fat they may not be able to stay afloat anymore (false 
sense of security).  He said that it is best to start teaching them at
about four years old.  In the meanwhile, take them to the pool to teach 
them the 'love' of the water. 

Steve Reed
uucp!ingr!infonode!reeds
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:18:05 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waters Break...Go to Hospital..Why? (was Re: Use of drugs during l
 <1992Jul27.173329.11643@ast.saic.com>

In article <1992Jul27.173329.11643@ast.saic.com>, hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
(Buffy Hyler) says:
>
>
>I know from my doctor brother-in-law that 24 hours after the waters
>break is a danger point due to infection, but the first 10?  I'm also
>aware that you are not supposed to take a bath if your waters break for
>the same reason but in that case simply telling the mom not to take a
>bath would resolve that.  So, what is it about water breaking before
>active labor that gets you put in the hospital.  What are they
>concerned about in the early phase?
>

I seem to recall my OB being concerned that after the water breaks a
section of the baby's cord could drop and be caught between the baby's
head and your cervix, cutting off oxygen to the baby.  I think this is
pretty rare, and their may be other ways to determine if this has
occured, without going to the hospital.

Chris Himes
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Almost 3 year spacing (pros & cons)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:16:04 GMT
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

In article <1992Jul28.124738.3380@linus.mitre.org> kvt@willow.mitre.org
writes:

> 2 3/4 to 3 years old when the baby
>is born.  Is this a good/bad spacing? 

Having followed this thread, I can only conclude that there is
no good/bad spacing...what one set of parents is willing to adjust to
may be different from what another set of parents is willing to adjust to.

>Should I wait longer?

I wish that someone on the net can answer this question for you, but
unfortunately, only you can.  I really empathize with your situation,
as I have a 3 year old girl, and I ask myself these sorts of questions
all the time.

>Have I missed the opportune time?

What is "opportune?"  Is it better that they are close and play together
and have the same friends and interests, or is it better that they are
spaced further to minimize rivalries and focus your attention on raising
one at a time?  From following this thread, it doesn't seem like spacing
is the determining factor in either of these situations.

When I think along these same lines, I try instead to focus on THE CHANGES
that a new baby will bring into my life and whether or not my husband,
daughter, and I are ready to handle another series of changes right now,
(including the ones we can't anticipate).  And I soothe myself when I 
realize that these same fears and worries are strikingly similar to the
fears and worries I had about conceivinig our first child, and I don't
regret that one bit :-)

Take care, and good luck, Kathy.


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