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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have an old pair of Hexcel Hexcelerator II's with the old Spademan gold spring
bindings. To use the bindings with my boots, I have to attach an adapter plate to the
bottom of my boots. My problem is that the plates are *very* heavy, perhaps a half pound 
each, so I'd like to get a new pair of bindings so I can ditch the adaptor plate, and 
lighten the load on my legs.

So I have two questions
  - Is this a good idea (i.e. replacing just the bindings)?
  - What kind of bindings should I look at.

Obviously, I haven't bought equipment in a while, but my boots and skis are still in
pretty good shape. I am an advanced to expert skier and ski fairly aggressively. Weight
195, height 6'4" if it matters.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


My advice (and I'm sure you're going to hear this a lot)
is to do yourself a MAJOR favor and get new gear.
(Especially if those Spademen's are mounted to Scott boots!)
I seriously doubt that your skiis are in good shape; they may
look pretty, but you would be amazed at how dead they probably
are right now.  How many days do you think you have on them?
And boots.  If they are as old as your skiis, then you probably
have a lot of room to improve in performance, comfort, and 
probably safety;  If they are so old they are not DIN standard
soles, then you won't be able to get any body to mount bindings
with them, and it would probably be a bad idea even if you
did it yourself.

If you are as big and as good as you indicated, you really
owe it to yourself.

jaym

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe region 1/9-10/93
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:42:09 GMT

Oh yes forgot to add
1/9: Extensive rime on all exposed surfaces and the snow falling
at the time had a mix of snow and grapel.  Will make for interesting
avalanches later in season unless it rains again.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:04:34 -0500 
From: "Lynne M. Reder" <lr0e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?
	<jpugh-010193220908@kip2-51.apple.com>

I just came back from there and the snow is pretty poor right now.  Altho
it has been snowing a lot in Vancouver, it keeps missing Whistler.  The base
of 100cm is really hard packed.  They have been making snow as fast as
they can below, but many runs are a sheet of ice.  The upper area is much
nicer, but it sure isn't powder.  Also it has been *very* cold, at least
by west coast standards.  It was sometimes -23 C.  Fortunately there was
also a temperature inversion most days, but everyone wore face masks (unless
they were brazen).   My last day, Wed., a woman killed herself on Springboard,
an intermediate run (I thought it was closed from lack of snow) at
Blackcomb, apparently running into a tree.

In short, check out the conditions before going up there.

~Lynne

reder+@cmu.edu


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From: lkibben@portal.hq.videocart.com (Laura Kibben)
Subject: midwest skiing
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:21:56 GMT

Hi all -

I'm in Chicago....where can I ski?  I moved here from Aspen, and to Aspen from 
the north east where I learned to ski as a youngin' on Whiteface.  I only get
away two-three times a winter to ski out west, and, as you know, it ain't 
enough! I gave Wisconsin a chance the winter before last and, well, there's 
got to be more!

I've heard of bigger and better things in Michigan....does anyone know
if they are actually bigger and better?  I'M DESPERATE!!

Help.


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From: gauss@cco.caltech.edu (Edward J. Gauss)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Gay Aspen
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:23:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

I saw a blurb on Denver's gay tollerent Channel 12 that there is some
sort of a gay ski week at Aspen starting Jan 20.  Are straights excluded?
This presents all sorts of interesting questions that have little whatsoever
to do with snow quality.  As a fat bald man who still uses leather laced
ski boots, I have been subject to endless social hurrassment --- just
watch the "Hair Club for Men" TV ads as well as the myriad Weight reduction
commercials.  Yet I ski, although I rarely ski at Aspen -- it is too pricey for
me.  Besides Aspenians sneer at my laced leather boots.  That makes me quite
uncomfortable!  

Perhaps rec.sking should drop the Ammendment 2 issue, unless you want to
enjoy further problems of a fat old man who skis with laced leather boots.


                                  ---Ed,  Grumpy old skier, with unprotected
                                          minority identification
From: mvore@access.digex.com (Michael Vore)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Where is XC in the MidAtlantic
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:11:57 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Is there any good XC Skiing in the Mid-Atlantic - Pa. or atleast driving
distance from DC (even for a 2 day overnight)?
- mike


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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:10:07 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 03/16 XC equipment/Info
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Discount lift tickets for Breckenridge
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:31:51 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan6.225544.23222@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, bhf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com 
(barry.h.freedman) writes:

> Does anyone have any info on discount lift tickets for
> Breckenridge?  Thanks for any help.  Barry

Almost all Colorado ski areas have discount lift tickets available at any 
King Soopers along the front range (Denver/Boulder areas).  This can save
you $3-5 a day, sometimes more.

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver
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From: pschmidt@convex.com (Perry Schmidt)
Subject: Train to Winter Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:16:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I heard there was a train from Denver to Winter Park.  Is this true?

If so, could someone send me some info on this - like how long it takes,
cost, where it is or how I can get a hold of them??

Thx

Perry

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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:16:20 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

John Reece (jreece@sousa.intel.com) wrote:

> On yet another note, a family of three is missing after heading from
> the SF area to Utah via Tahoe during the height of the recent storms.  The
> presumption now seems to be that they went off the road and won't
> be found till the spring melt.

 They were found. Alive. Amazing.

 ..glen

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From: lee@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Lee Faa)
Subject: Killington info....thanks
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:44:01 GMT

Thanks to everyone for providing me with information about
Killington....It's always interesting to hear what "locals"
have to say.

Lee

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From: wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: I need a Condo!!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:25:59 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA

I'm in Milwaukee Wisconsin (ya hey der) and I desperately need a condo for the
first week in March in Summit county (preferably in Frisco or Dillon).  Is 
there anyone who can help a midwesterner from Chicago?  We're looking for a 
place that can sleep 6-8, nothing too expensive, but not too cheap either.
Within the $130 - $160 per day range is within our range.  If you can help 
e-mail me, or if you can't help and your board and want to e-mail me anyway
go ahead.  Thanks for the help in advance!!
Oh, yeah, does anyone have the most current snow conditions for Arapahoe or
Copper?  Thanks again!!!

John Wesloski
wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:13:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Happiness
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
Schweitzer

.... much deleted.....


And this is MY bigest beef about instructors, they tout the Center Line
..There is One Right Way to Ski. BS! There are a thousand ways to
turn, and each is useful in it's place. I've been in situations where the
only safe way down was side slip to weidel to side slip (it was rather
icy). You would NOT be happy carving a turn there, you would be DEAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


I generally try and stay far away from these discussions,
but I can't let this go:

Sorry about being blunt, but you do not understand Centerline.

If an instructor told you this, THEY do not understand Centerline.

There are good instructors and bad.  Those who are soured on the
idea of ski instruction have probably have ran into the latter.
(If you've never taken a lesson and dump on ski instructors,
 nothing I'm going to say is going to change your attitude,
 however you developed your peculiar bias)

Learning new things (of any nature) with the help of an instructor
is a two way street.  Good instructors don't teach AT you.  If you
seek to improve or gain a better understanding of anything, you
have the responsibility to take an active part in the process.
If you walk (ski) into the situation with the attitude that this
bozo can't teach me a damn thing, they probably can't.

jaym
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From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Subject: Re: Please explain European Trail Colors
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  7 Jan 93 04:41:33 GMT

waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes) writes:

>I have read many references to various colors, such as reds and blues and
>what have you, used to classify European trails. I assume that the colors
>refer to difficulty, as do the colors Green (easy), Blue (moderate), and
>Black (difficult) in The US of A. Just what are the colors and
>classifications used, and how are they standardized?

Another poster basically summed it up (green, blue, red, black).  But I
believe there are many European resorts that do not use the blue colour at
all.  They use the sequence green, red, black.

There is one other main difference with trail marking.  Unlike the states,
everything is your responsibility.  You will not get locked up for skiing on
a closed run, but if you get injured or killed, European courts will not be
interested in any attempt to sue the resort.  The only runs you should avoid
in Austria are those marked "Jungwald".  That means regenerating forest.  If
you ski one of those, it is likely that you will get caught, and that you will
lose your ticket.

Have fun!

David Mills
CITRI
Australia
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From: bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey)
Subject: SLC
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:27:57 GMT

I'm getting kinda sick of this amendment 2 stuff

so..

Today, in beautiful Utah, the schools, government, airports 
 and roads are closed.
Why? Heavy snow in the valleys!

Woke up to about 6 more inches in the valley and more coming down.

5 ft of snow in the hills since 1/6!

Both Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons are closed. I envy the 
folks 'stuck' up the canyons. Hopefully the lifts are open
I heard Park City is open. 

Avalanche hazard very high, Some folks camping up on Flagstaff peak
almost got killed when road avalanche control work blasted them.
Heard there was a slide at snowbird that buried 3 cars. 

I went out into the backcountry yesterday, Lots of powder! A little
heavy, had to stay in the trees or on stuff < 30 degrees. I didn't
see any cracking or feel any settling, obviously we chose the right
place to go (Soldier fork)

Unfortunately, I can walk to work, so here I am. 
My car is snowed in anyways.
( I guess this means I can be 'sick' later in the week! )

OK, you guys can go back to bickering about amendment 2.

		Brian   barkeyb@climate.utah.edu
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Where to go outside France
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service


 Hi,
	Despite my penchant for French skiing I have been persuaded to
look into alternatives for our annual Alpine break. The primary reason
is that one of our party takes most of her holidays in France and would
prefer to ski somewhere else.

 Can anyone recommend a good alternative destination. Ishgl has been
suggested but we are having difficulty getting inexpensive accomodation
there. We are six competent skiers with inclination ranging from timid
to suicidal (with no homicidal tendencies :-) so an area with a variety
of interesting runs is a priority. Access from Germany by train needs
to be reasonably straightforward so Austria and Switzerland seem likely
to be a good bet.

 Ideally we (really, I) want French style skiing & inexpensive (rabbit
hutch) accomodation but I realise that this is unreasonable.

 Any suggestions? St Anton perhaps? Is there somewhere in Italy that
might fit the bill?

 Thanks for any advice,

		W.

PS. I'll get to Chamonix one day...

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From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:11:06 GMT
Subject: info on Wengen?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


I'm going to Wengen (Switzerland) for the first time in a couple of weeks.
Does anyone have any advice on the best places to ski, eat, drink etc.

Cheers

Brenda

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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Dec23.205932.22757@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:

A fellow serious skier down here at FSU?  Amazing.

>On the other hand, you can use this last hint in another way: If skiing becomes
>too boring, you make skiing on the ends of your skis into a new, challengin style:
>
>Again, go over the top of a mogul and while you initiate the turn, lean back
>to move your weight onto the ends of the skis. If the timing is right, your
>front ends of the skis will become airborne up to the binding, it will catapult
>you out of the modul and around the curve. You land facing the opposite (new)
>direction and go one with this until you're really tired. This looks really
>great since your skis are pointing 45 degree up into the skies.

Hey, we used to consider this "jet turn" the height of stylish form in 
the moguls.  They wrote entire articles about it in Skiing Magazine. 
Granted, this was when a "worm turn" was considered to be a hot move, too. 

Of course, the worm turn (where you fall, change the directions of your 
skis by rolling on your back, and then pop back up) is also a great thing 
to have in your repertoire: it says "I meant to do that" when what you 
actually did was wipe out....

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From: lee@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Lee Faa)
Subject: Killington info
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 21:44:30 GMT

Could any of you Northeast ski dudes/dudettes help me out
with info on when the best times would be for skiing Killington?
I'm planning on a ski vacation for next winter (in know it's a
long time from now, but I understand you really need to make
reservations early).  Anyway, if you ski there often, maybe you
can give me a good idea of the times to visit.  Also, which area
is the best to stay in? Killington Village or Sunrise (I think
that's the one at Bear Mtn).  Thanks, and think SNOW.

Lee Faa
NCR MCPD-Columbia

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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Rentals- help needed in MT
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:47:24 GMT

HELP!

I need some help on where to rent skiis.

I am takina a group fof 23 people (2 vans, about 10-15 need to rent) skiing
at Bik Sky and Bridger next week.  What should I do about renting skiis? We
will be skiing at Big Sky on Friday and Saturday, arriving around 10:00am,
and then we'll be skiing at Bridger on Sunday with arrival at 9:00am and
departure the next morning.  Should we:

1) Rent in Bozeman (stopping on the way there; and then returning on the way
back to Minneapolis from Bridger on January 18th in the AM). If sxo, could
someone please give me phone numbers of good places with possible discounts?

2) Rent twice; once at Big Sky for 2 days and then again for one day at Bridger;
I fgigured that if we were to rent away from the areas for 3 days that I would
save money buyt I could be wrong.

Any suggestions would be helpful!

-Noah V, er Cole (sorry, I can't delete on this editor)
PS: Any ides about price?
PPS: E-Mzi, E-Mail or Follow-up and CC or whatever is fine.. but speed is a 
consideration!
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From: usenet@kth.se (Usenet)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: ski places near San Jose
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:46:36 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA

I will be in San Jose 22 - 26 Feb, and would be interested in some 
advice regarding places to ski in that area (Lake Tahoe , etc. ?).
Also, if anybody knows of some cheap hotels. Is this week a school
holiday in California ? 
              Thanks !
                       Anne
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 21:46:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.182816.3309@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>I noted:
>>> Two fatalities at Homewood.
>
>I was given the impression that these guys hit trees before landing.
>They were unconscious when they landed.  Same could probably happen to
>beginners on skis.

The SJ Merc this morning claimed there were signs of struggle by both
parties.

Having skied Homewood one day last week when it was too windy to ski Squaw,
I understand part of the problem:  Homewood simply doesn't have enough
sustained vertical for that depth of snow.  When you catch air, it's harder
to ski out of your landing, rather than sink.  Heck even in just 2 feet of
snow (the least we skied all week!), we had to resort to GS turns to
maintain enough speed to get down the Quail Ridge. 

As for the assertion that release bindings might have helped: depends.
I don't keep my bindings particularly cranked, yet in none of my powder
landings (succesful or no) did they release, nor do I think they should
have, given the forces involved.

However, if it's possible to "kick" out of these bindings, post-burial,
then perhaps they'd be useful.  Don't know, I've never had to try it.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowshoe
Keywords: Snowshoe West Virginia
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:21:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C0EKDJ.BM7@peora.sdc.ccur.com> rwh@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Rob Hill) writes:
>I am planning a trip to Snowshoe in late January and am looking for
>general information about this place ie., restaurants, activities
>etc.  Are there ski rental places other than snowshoe?  We will also
>have some first time skiers with us.  Are there any discounts for them?
>Any information will be helpful.  Thanks.
> :

Aaaahhh yes...I forgot to post a review of my little trip:

The two of us stayed in the Shamrock complex.  It had everything you could want
:a fireplace, euip, kitchen, laudry (in room),TV (Detroit stations), 1 bedroom,
2 floors (and could sleep 4 comfortably).  Our walk down the access trail to 
the slope was no more than 5 minutes, but depending on where your condo was it
could be up to 10 minutes.  Keep in mind that it was 40-50 degrees when we were
there (12/28 - 1/1(ok so it was cold one day))

There was no grooming or snow making (obviously) si the beginner trails where
littered with bump sections.  It was rather enjoyable to watch my girlfriend
wipe out a few times before she started to master them.  She managed well on
the third day.  The warm weather made a few trails have wide bare spots and 
really should have been closed since there would be one or two ways to pass and
they would typically only be 2 feet wide.  The skiing was excellent even given
the weather (remember I'm in the east).  On New Years Eve we have the slopes 
to ourselves almost all day...(it rained a bit) but it was great.

The resort is at the top of the mountain and there seems to be only one general
store (expensive food & supplies) but the people were nice and a movie rental
and VCR rental for the night was $10 (not bad).  Make sure your car is in good
shaoe because the nearest station os 30 mi away (or get AAA).

Shoeshoe West Virginia:

Lift Ticket	: $39.00/day
Lift hours	: 8:30 - 4:30 (most) 8:30 - 4:00 (a few : like Cupp and 
							Widowmaker)
Areas		: 2 (Shoeshoe and Silver Creek: Ticket good at both areas and
			there is a shuttle bus every 1/2 hr.)

Elevation	: 4848

Drawbacks 	: Once you are there you have to depend on the resort for
			everything.

Accidents I saw	:  OK well I didn't actually witness them, but I saw ski patrol
			take care of them.  There where 3 and they all were
			on the beginner trails near merge points and bumps.
			Ski patrol was fast and looked WELL trained.

If anyone wants specs just send me e-mail : porterfi@theory.psc.edu

Mark E. Porterfield
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