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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Yogurt cheese. Now what?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:05:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Can someone repost the recipe for this stuff again?  I'd like to try it.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Bagels (Was: Does exercise make you lose weight?)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:51:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.115426.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>I certainly go along with the idea that you should use whatever works 
>for you, and I certainly agree that lowering fat intake works for 
>most people, but I think that it works because fat has so many 
>calories.  If you have two foods with the same number of calories 
>which are otherwise similar except that one gets calories from fat 
>and the other doesn't, I don't see that one is "better". 

The thinking is that the lower fat item is better for (at least) two
reasons.  One, high-fat diets can lead to heart disease.  Two, the body
digests/metabolises fats and carbos someone differently, and one current 
theory is that about 75 calories out of 100 carbo calories are available 
to be used after digestion while about 97 out of 100 fat calories are
available after digestion.  

So the 200-calorie bagel is "better" for you in that sense.  On the other
hand, if you really want the donut, you might be better off eating it.
A typical compulsive overeating behavior is to eat about 1000 calories 
worth of other foods before finally caving in and eating the donut.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Must Lose Pounds
Date: 20 Dec 1992 14:27:55 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com

This may sound dumb but sitting on my rear work at a computer 
all day has lead me to gain and gain. I am 6'1" and wt. # 224.

I want to loose 24 lbs in 3 months. Suggestions, I have a mountain bike,
weight set and two good feet. First I have started on a veggie diet and
NO late night eating at all. Any suggestion welcome...Kidding as well.

I want to get rid of this extra ### I have never been this big, people
say I don't look it but I do. Waist is up from 38 to 45 bad news.
E-mail please!!!

-- 
Joseph Stroup          | Still trying to work
                       | and Play well with Others.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Workouts with bronchitis
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:49:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

The doctor told me today that I have acute bronchitis.  

Anyone out there done any aerobic workouts with this ailment?  I was just
getting back into them and now wonder if it's wise to continue.


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: pab@sei.cmu.edu (Patricia Ann Brannigan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,cmu.cs.market,pa.forsale,pgh.general,cmu.ece.general,cmu.misc.market
Subject: Ref: Fitness Trainer/Weight Loss (Pgh)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:09:17 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Over the past 5 weeks I've been working out with this trainer and she has been
wonderful in helping me realize my capabilities.  Her approach is unique in 
that she has designed a program for weight loss that emphasizes exercis.
I'm finding that the "diet" part is much easier that way.  I offered to put
this on the NetNews because I thought that there might be others like me 
that need or want this type of help.

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            equipped with Treadmill, Stairmasters, Bikes, and numerous
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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise - Martial Arts
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:33:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko) writes:

>shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>  If I remember correctly, at Rutgers, the instructor for the 
>womens' self defense class is the same woman that teaches the 
>Jujitsu class.

Not this time around.  The women's self-defense teacher is Dolan
and the Jujitsu instructor is Gessner.


After reading all the responses - many via e-mail, it looks like
neither Jujitsu or Tae Kwon Do are what I'm looking for at this point.
I don't want to take Tae Kwon Do because I don't want to hit people
or be hit.  Throwing and blocking, I can handle, but before I could take
Tai Kwon Do, I would have to get over my averson to hitting people.

I'm also not going to take the Jujitsu. I'm going to put it off for another
time. The reason for this is because my husband wants me to take Tennis lessons
with him and there is a time conflict.

The tennis lessons won't necessarily give me much exercise, but after I 
learn how to play, I will have one more activity to do.  This will be the
only one that I can do indoors - which is a big plus.

I am going to take Tai Chi after all.  Those who have taken it tell me that
it improves muscle tone and flexibility and just makes them feel better
overall.l This is always good.

I am also going to take a class called Jazz Exercise.  Its in the dancing 
section.  I wanted to take Ballet I, but it meets in the middle of the day.
Jazz Exercise fits in with my schedule.  The description is - "Class begins
with a dancer's warmup, stretching and toning exercises that will improve
flexibility and strength.  Participants will receive instructional feedback
as they do steps and combinations across the floor."

So, I will do three different things, each once a week.  Thats more activity
than I'm getting now, and hopefully, it will keep me interested.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: baked tortilla chips
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:09:30 GMT

I think I phrased it wrong.  The tortillas are wetted first, then baked
until crisp.


--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity has no hold over me!
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: pgn64@cas.org (Gary Nicklas)
Subject: Yogurt cheese --- can you buy it?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:29:54 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: holiday dieting
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.171856.18965@news.ysu.edu> ag167@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry H. Rodin) writes:
>In a previous article, npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) says:
>
>>I've got the "Food Values" book.  But it does weird stuff like
>>give you meat values in 3 1/2 ounce serving sizes.  Isn't that stupid!
>>
>No it's not stupid.  3 1/2 ounces = 100 grams  and is a typical serving size.

Ok, it's not stupid, but it is impractical.  If you really need to 
calculate your calories accurately, you are going to weigh the sucker.
If the calories were listed per ounce, that would be one less math
calculation to do.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: an2322@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: tough times; THANK YOU!
X-Anonymously-To: alt.support
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:30:11 GMT

I want to thank everyone who took the time to send me email and
to post encouragement and suggestions on the network.  Everybody
had something of real value to offer, and I really enjoyed reading
the advice and stories.

I realized that one of the major reasons I don't like my job is
that I don't feel accepted here--I'm not part of the in group.
I haven't ever experienced a company that felt so much like high
school before.  Anyway, getting such nice and intelligent
feedback from alt.support really made me feel a part of the group!

Thanks, everyone.

Rosalind
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Newsgroups: alt.support
From: esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington)
Subject: Re: Is there a newsgroup for eating disorders or body image?
Keywords: eating disorders
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:39:12 GMT

I know that it might not be congruently what you seek, but why
not have a look at alt.support.big-folks to see if the items
in there are what you need.
This is a genuine suggestion. I have read many of them.

Will
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: mab7g@Virginia.EDU ("midori meech baer")
Subject: Re: Is there a newsgroup for eating disorders or body image?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:56:09 GMT

kpscarr@leland.Stanford.EDU  writes:
> In article <116150004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> kay@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Kay Linder) writes:
> >You can try alt.support.diet   
> 
> I have gotten a lot of responses suggesting I try alt.support.diet; I 
> appreciate that people are trying to be helpful, but it's sort of like
> suggesting that an alcoholic check out "alt.party-hardy" or something.
> I don't want tips on how to diet effectively; I want to deal with my
> body image problems and speak in a forum of people who have similar or
> more serious eating disorders who are trying to *stop* abusing their bodies.
> (Not that I am totally against all dieting or anything, BTW.)
> 
> I am really surprised that there is not an "alt.eating-disorders" or
> "alt.anorexia-bulemia" or something.  There really should be.  Is anybody
> else out there at all interested in such a group?
> 
> KP
>  
i completely agree with you.  as a recovering bulimic/anorexic,
i understand completely.  when i first opened pcnews, a support
group of this kind was exactly what i was looking for. . .if
you have success, let me know, or if i can help, let me know as
well.

mi-chan
mab7g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu (Chris Maukonen)
Subject: Re: Is there a newsgroup for eating disorders or body image?
Organization: Univ. Central Fla.
Distribution: all
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:44:07 GMT

You might want to try alt.recovery. They seem to deal  a lot with AA issues
bu I have seen quite a bit os stuff on OA and other things. At least someone
there might know or you could get some interest in starting a new group.

Good luck.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu (Chris Maukonen)
Subject: Re: Is there a newsgroup for eating disorders or body image?
Followup-To: alt.support
Organization: Univ. Central Florida
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:35:46 GMT

Actually Cath, this should be one of the better places to post. As a Food
Addict
myself, one of the things I have learned is that is is not about the food.
Food
is just what I use. Just like alcoholics use alcohol, I use food. To keep
from
dealing and to keep from feeling those bad feelings that I have. The
desease
takes on many forms and has many symtoms. So you are indeed welcome here.

Take care and hugs


Chris
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From: Andrew.Cohill@vtssi.vt.edu (Andrew Michael Cohill)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: tough times: advice sought
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:42:21 GMT
Organization: Fire in the Mountain
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
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X-XXDate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:46:33 GMT

In 1986 I quit a job that I was very unhappy with to return to school.  I 
had ten years work experience, was on the corporate fast-track, was being 
paid well, had great latitude in how I managed my work, and in general 
had a job most of friends would have killed to get.  

I quit anyway.

Everyone asks me, "How could you have done that?  Wasn't it hard?"

I never know how to respond. If you want something to be hard, it will 
be.  I wanted to change my life, and while it has taken a great deal of 
"hard" work and has meant hovering on the brink of financial insolvency 
at times, I can't imagine not doing it.

It seems so simplistic to say it, but if financial security is your 
primary goal, it is pretty easy to attain that, but there is no guarantee 
that you will be happy.

I have a friend my age who recently realized that he hates his work and 
would really like to be a veternarian.  After a great deal of 
soul-searching he decided that veternarians don't make enough money and 
he would stay in present job, which pays much better.  What can anyone 
say to a choice like that?  I respect the decision he has made, but still 
feel sad for him.

I believe that if we really and truly trust in the universe, it will 
provide us with everything that we need.  I'm still not very good at 
that, because I continue to have periodic anxiety attacks, but I practice 
as much as I can.  So many good things have happened to me in the past 
six years that I never anticipated or planned for, and I believe that 
most of them came to me because I was open to the possibility.  Many 
things have also *not* worked out as I planned, and I take those things 
as a message from the universe that it was not the right thing for me.  

Often, after something has fallen through, something even better has 
turned up, in a very unexpected way.  My life is so different from what I 
thought it might become in 1986 that it is beyond my understanding how it 
really happened, but it did, and while I don't have much money, I am an 
incredibly rich man in other ways.  

Was it hard?  Carrying firewood uphill to the woodpile is hard.  As for 
my life, I try not think about what may be hard and what may be "easy" 
because it inevitably colors and changes how I react to the current state 
of the universe.

My advice?  Hold three coins in your hand, close your eyes, imagine a 
life of perfection, and throw the I Ching....

Andrew
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Appreciation of the big & beautiful woman
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:09:12 GMT

Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>First of all, Avery is not addressing me specifically, but rather is
>rhapsodizing about large women in general.  (Though I realize that Avery
>is not sexually attracted to all large women, just as *I* am not sexually
>attracted to all large women and men.)  If he were addressing me specifically,
>I do not think that I would feel so cheap.

Now, you I trust a lot, and I can see the point with the general musings.

>Incidentally, I do recognize that it is important for larger
>women and men to learn to find themselves attractive, and if
>Avery has helped anyone in this context, I am glad.  I just
>wish that the more overtly sexual remarks (which remind me
>of a lust-crazed teenager) could be kept in private e-mail.

Okay, that I can deal with - being 25, I'm not that far gone from
the lust-crazed teenager era anyway, and I know I do get that way still
from time to time.

I guess the question is, what should be done if a newbie "FA" comes in
and wants to discuss stuff like this? Strictly e-mail? Again, if that's
the consensus, I'll abide by it.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: ryanpa@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: "fat", a four letter word 
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:35:31 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Dec10.233437.8110@netcom.com>, avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> And in alt.sex, that's probably true. There's always going to be fat-bashers
> in that newsgroup and a few others, every month the same people posting the
> same disinformation, the same attempts at correction, the same attempts at
> support by those outside the target group who join in the corrections, the
> same raking of these joiners-in by sundry others with their own axes to grind.
> I'm afraid I must stay away from that place - I want to foster the positive
> aspects of my own personal work in fat-acceptance now, and stop poisoning my
> mind with the sight of the lies.
> 
> -- 
> Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
> (510) 656-1902 
> "Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"


Avery:

Sounds to me as if you're assuming that I went looking for "fat
bashers".  That couldn't be further from the truth.  I read alt.sex
regularly and this is the first time I've come across this...that's
why I answered him.  And I don't care if I have to write a hundred of
those responses.  People need to be reminded that it is WRONG to
intentionally hurt others...and I will continue to say so...if that's
poisoning my mind, then so be it...

Jessi Ryan
Bowling Green, KY

Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: New defense
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:32:47 GMT

My father used to say that it would practically be a sin to diet since
he would be throwing away all that money he had invested in building
his fat.  He used to pat his stomach and say "got a lot of money
sitting right here".   He no longer feels this way since he got his
fancy new job, and makes lots of diet bets with his friends and his
weight goes down and up and down and up and ....  He's also seriously
considering getting a Lincoln Town car, too.  <shakes head sadly,
mumbling something about a better idea of what to do with that money,
and feeling less and less like a farmer's daughter>

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Appreciation of the big & beautiful woman
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:03:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.200657.16849@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>OK, so that's one angle on it.  But there's something else in what
>Beth says, that's also worth looking at.  She says she would find
>an exclusive preference for fat sexual partners, to be "distasteful."
>I'm not at all trying to pick on Beth here in making an issue out
>of this--indeed, I think her comments contribute a lot to this dis-
>cussion.  But let's look at this word: distasteful.  Is an exclusive
>preference for members of the same sex "distasteful"?  What about
>an exclusive preference for silly, empty-headed blonde bimbos?
>I think there's a gradation here, a societal gradation, of what
>sort of preferences we find distasteful.  And "distasteful" is,
>of course, in the eye of the beholder.  I chose blonde bimbos
>(I myself am a blonde, by the way (-:) as an example, because I,
>personally, would find it distasteful for a man to only want sexual
>partners who are less intelligent or weaker in some way, and whom he
>feels he can dominate.  But, to paraphrase the well-known saying,
>I would fight to the death his right to prefer them.
>
>		*	*	*	*	*
>
>That's enough blather from me, though.  What do *y'all* think?

I think I like your above paragraph very much.

Also, the little pathology discussion was a bit disturbing in that I
would prefer that psychology only recognize fetishism as a disorder if
the individual was bothered by it (and a successful resolution of the
problem would include the individual's acceptance of their desires as
well as a conventional "cure").  We do so love to persecute.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Appreciation of the big & beautiful woman
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:35:38 GMT

mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>A fetish can be pathological (surprisingly, few women are into fetishes).  

Oh? Do tell. I'm beginning to think that quite a few women react very
tellingly to men who make slick sales pitches regardless of their true
underlying emotions, and turn on men whose love and lust are real but
who express these in awkward ways. Not a physical judgment, granted,
but every bit as shallow, IMHO.

>If one likes to have sex while wearing rubber pants, that's preference.  If
>one can *only* have sex while wearing rubber, that's a fetish.  Similarly,
>a preference for fat people is not a fetish, but a requirement for such
>is, in my opinion, distasteful and could conceivably be a fetish.

Then I'm not a fetishist, because I've had sex with thin women.
And there are thin women still, once in a while, who have enough
curvature to draw my eyes. That just happens to be relatively rare.
I see what I do as less a requirement than going with my trength.

I mean, I do have a requirement that a woman be able to get out
of the house and do some adventurous things. For that I've been
chastised sometimes, believe it or not, by those extremists of my ilk who
think a woman shouldn't be called "fat" until she needs to take hacksaws
to her doorframes! You wouldn't want me to kowtow to their ideas without
question either, would you?

>Now what was that about an open discussion of human sexuality...

Much appreciated and much respected.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks