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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:46:43 -0500
From:         cahalan@MAYO.EDU
Subject:      RE: question
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I am on occation getting messages that are corrupted.

Cahalan
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From:         "gordon e. banks" <geb@DSL.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: question
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No $$$ here.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:15:47 EDT
From:         "Stephen J. Langendorfer" <SLANGEND@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: question

I'm not getting $$$$, but I'm getting all sorts of "" and ++ and other assorted
 inappropriate symbols.  Must be something in the whole system.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:33:20 CDT
From:         Ray Carlson 2-5805 <B28384@ANLVM.CTD.ANL.GOV>

We are running both VM/XA and MVS/370 on a 3480 machine, and have managed
to keep VM because of it's ability to provide test systems.  However,
management has decided that both are to expensive and are planning to
move to client-server with UNIX.  Anyone know a good C programming course?
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:11:14 EDT
From:         CCRS@BUACCA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gcs problems under vm/xa 2.1

Just re-IPLing a GCS group member is not a best approach to
reintroducing it to the group, because the group doesn't necessarily
know that the member went away.  GCS uses *SIGNAL, where the head
honcho defines Signal-In and Signal-Out to know when members leave
and join the group.  GCS initialization processing by a member causes
a Signal-In, and, if nothing else, a Logoff causes a Signal-Out.  If
you keep getting Signal-In's without corresponding Signal-Out's, you
can conceivably exceed the maximum group membership counter value as
defined in your "GCS ASSEMBLE" CONFIG statement MAXVM parameter.
A cheap way to avoid the problem would be to set MAXVM high in order
to allow any kind of member re-introduction.  But the cleanest way is
for the member to completely disappear and then cleanly come back.
Of course, *SIGNAL might reasonably be expected to expect that a
virtual machine which enters with the same name as one already in the
group is suspicious, and should really do something about that.
        Dick Sims, Boston University, Information Technology
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:19:16 EDT
From:         CCRS@BUACCA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Single to Double

In your expectation of using DDR to transfer data from single- to
double-density DASD, be aware that DDR checks for device compatibility,
including between two DASD devices.  Look at the HCPDDR code around
line 14335000.  If you get error message 708E, this is why.  As a
circumvention, you could make a specially modified copy of DDR to
get your task accomplished.
     Dick Sims, VM Systems Programmer, Boston University I.T.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:48:54 CDT
From:         Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

>management has decided that both are to expensive and are planning to
>move to client-server with UNIX.  Anyone know a good C programming course?

        C is nice.   REXX is better.   Learn C,  but get a REXX compiler
and/or interpreter on you *IX system(s).   C is good,  but it will bend
your brain until you figured out the pointers.   I think you'll like it.

        UNIX is the lowest common denominator,  but it *is* common,
and that's why management bytes into it.   UNIX has other strengths,
but the only one which has been well exploited is it's compatibility
across different hardware platforms.   You'd do better if you had/used
interoperability among the different software platforms.   But they
won't listen,  and you'll lose the strengths of MVS & CMS along the way.

        UNIX is cheaper because it can run on cheaper hardware.
You can get an excellent *IX for your s/370/390 but the machine is
still just as expensive.   The cheaper hardware won't phone home when
it gets sick,  but it's cheap enough that you'll just throw it away.

        The UNIX filesystem is strictly byte oriented and *nothing*
has been done in twenty years to correct that at the system level.
It has many strengths,  but also weaknesses.   The weaknesses have been
glossed-over because compatibility is such a narcotic.

Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>, Rice University, I/S VM Systems Support
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:41:21 EDT
From:         Hugh Kelsea Moore <MOORE@GE1VM.SCHDY.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: System Operator console hardcopy spooling
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              17 Jul 1992 11:08:30 EST from
              <WARNER%SNYBKADM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:08:30 EST John T. Warner said:
>Is there a CP modification for VM/XA that copies the messages sent to
>the System operator's console on a local 3270 class printer?
>
>For years I have been carrying along a group of mods written originally
>by Larry Brenner which supplied this function under VM/SP.  Our operators
>will be lost when I go to VM/XA without it.
>
>Thank you in advance for any information you can give me.
Consider getting VM/OPERATOR from System Center.  Super product and it will
make your hardcopy printer (for the console) obsolete.  Why print it out
when you can view full logs back may days.  VM/OPERATOR take care of
compressing the log so it doesn't take so much room, and you have the
added ability of searching for a literal, special highlighting on selected
messages, requests for operator input never leave the screen, etc.
It's worth it's weight it gold, and it's well supported.

Hugh Kelsea Moore
Lead System Programmer
Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory
Schenectady, New York
(518) 395-4880
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:54:57 CST
From:         Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
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Subject:      Re: Single to Double
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:19:16 EDT, CCRS@BUACCA.BITNET said:
<...>
>                If you get error message 708E, this is why.  As a
>circumvention, you could make a specially modified copy of DDR to
>get your task accomplished.

Couldn't you DDR LOAD them to minidisks allocated on the first half of
the double densities?  I don't know.  I've never tried it.  But it
might be worth a shot...

Bill
>     Dick Sims, VM Systems Programmer, Boston University I.T.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:01:00 PDT
From:         "Joseph A. Faracchio {510} 642-7638 {w}" <SPGJAF@UCBCMSA.BITNET>
Subject:      gcs problems under vm/xa 2.1

We are migrating from RSCS 1.3 to RSCS 3.1 and have some GCS problems.

The most annoying is the error message:

     CSIINS135T Group allocation exceeded for group 'GCS'

We get this after IPLing GCS n+1 times in the same machine,
where n = the max number of users to the group allowed.
Somewhere the number of users ipl'd into the group is not getting
reset when you just re-ipl.

I researched this on IBMLINK and came up with VM40238.  It sounds
a lot like the problem except that in the prb rpt it says it occurs
when you force a gcs user off.  We are not forcing a gcs user off
we are just re-ipling gcs in the same userid.  AND we already have
the apar applied!!

There is a PE to 40238 which is 41370.  It talks about system abends
if you do an ipl device number after an ipl gcs.  We don't have the
pe on and we're avoiding doing an ipl real device etc.

We are at VM/XA SP 2.1 with 9002SUP (same as PUT 9003).
Has anyone seen this problem?  Got any suggestion?
   thanks .. joe.f.
P.S. IBMs suggestion is to apply the PE (which is to CP not GCS ... sigh)
and then call them back.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:06:02 EDT
From:         Hugh Kelsea Moore <MOORE@GE1VM.SCHDY.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Migrating from VM to MVS
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              22 Jul 1992 09:39:01 EDT from <MBDMD@ROHVM1.ROHMHAAS.COM>

Martin,
    We are running both MVS/XA and VM/XA... separate processors at that.
The MVS/XA folks could have run their system native, but chose to run
UNDER VM/XA primarily because they like having a second level system
to do system development.  They put up their new releases on this 2nd level
machine during prime time and rarely work weekends.  On a performance note,
we have two classes of users... those that are batch oriented or database
oriented and they work on MVS.  Our scientists prefer the interactive
side of the house where VM shines.  I'd like to see how MVS runs with
300-600 users on TSO and a 24 MIP machine.  The benefits to the company
are especially easy to demonstrate if you make use of a 2nd level MVS
machine.  Incidently, IBM has tried to kill VM many times, but it was IBM's
MVS system programmers that helped fight the battle, for obvious reasons.

Hugh Kelsea Moore
Lead System Programmer
Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory
Schenectady, New York
(518) 395-4880
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:53:01 EDT
From:         CCRS@BUACCA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Migrating from VM to MVS

Sigh...another systems programmer having to fight that issue.  I was
in the same position in my previous job in a large company, spending
70% of my time contending with the dogmatic, monolithic thinking
which is legion amongst executives.  But don't get me started...
    If a company wanted to cut costs and its management were amenable
to reason, they would be influenced toward VM rather than MVS, simply
based upon the numbers.  VM readily supports a load of interactive
users which would overwhelm MVS/TSO.  VM is inherently more
interactive.  (IBM has repeatedly stated that MVS is a batch operating
system, while VM is interactive.)  VM/CMS is much more user-friendly
than MVS.  (Have you ever tried explaining the concept of dataset
preallocation to clerical personnel?)  The same or comparable software
that runs in MVS is usually available for VM, and is usually cheaper.
IBM puts its user-oriented innovations into VM/CMS first, making VM a
more personally productive environment.  (Isn't "people cost" the
big expense?  Think how long TSO stagnated with the same limited
command set and stodgy CLIST language while CMS was rapidly evolving.)
A new release of VM can be tested under the current VM, without
resorting to costly LPAR arrangements.
    It's easy to list the advantages of VM over MVS for users, to
cite the productivity issues and compare costs.  It's another thing
to make a dent in those who are indifferent to the kinds of facilities
that workers need, and whose blind approach to true costs results in
"economy at any expense".  It's very old, very sad thinking - and it's
so pervasive.  Our country isn't losing its position because of its
workers: Challenger was the most tragic evidence of where our problems
lie.
    I have great respect for MVS.  IBM is pushing great advances to
make that operating system excel in its designated area, in supporting
large, transaction-based systems.  Such is its forte.  VM is continuing
to support large interactive user loads with a wealth of personnel-
oriented software.  AIX, in its OSF incarnation, is coming on strong
to support the academic and workstation environment.  Each has its
area of applicability.  Obviously, attempting to employ a facility
where needs to not match its capabilities is costly folly.  That's
just reality.  Unfortunately, people with great power often feel that
their dictums can define reality.
       Dick Sims, Systems Programmer, Boston University, I.T.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:31:19 EDT
From:         Trevor C Poole <A000@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Single to Double

> In your expectation of using DDR to transfer data from single- to
> double-density DASD, be aware that DDR checks for device compatibility,
> including between two DASD devices.  Look at the HCPDDR code around
> line 14335000.  If you get error message 708E, this is why.  As a
> circumvention, you could make a specially modified copy of DDR to
> get your task accomplished.
>      Dick Sims, VM Systems Programmer, Boston University I.T.

Thanks for the response. I shall check it out.
Trev
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:27:48 EDT
From:         Trevor C Poole <A000@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Single to Double

Hi,

I know this question has been asked before but I have not been able
to glean responses from the archives as yet.
Question:
        Next weekend I will be trucking out a whole string of
        single density(884 Cyls) 3380's and replacing them with
        doubles.
        I am expecting to be able to simply DDR restore the old
        singles onto the new doubles.
        I expect I shall have to cpformat the drive to reset the Alloc
        cylinder to show the extra space.
        Is there any other problem that needs to be addressed.
        At this time I am simply going to copy all my existing drives to
        the new ones and run for a week or so. I shall move stuff
        around to better use space at a later date.
Thanks
Trevor C Poole
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:26:03 EST
From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to defeat AIDS
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              21 Jul 1992 14:12:46 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WV NET.EDU>

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:12:46 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:
>earlier, the reasons are sometimes pretty simple, but not always.   While
>you're doing that, you could lobby for increased spending for research into
>protective measures that *women* can control.

Women can't choose/control their sex partner(s) ?

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When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.

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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:56:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:30:39 EDT K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
> Travis, Linda, and Kerry:
>
>
> However, if my daughter comes to me and says "Dad, I am going
> to go out and shoot someone random in the freeway" my answer
> would NOT be "I'll counsel her against her but support her no
> matter what her decision."   I think Dan Quayle answer should have
> been: "I would be very unhappy, I would block her way, I would
> call her a murderer, I would show her aborted fetuses, I would
> even threat her with disowning and dropping her from my will, etc.
> In short I would do anything (legal) in my power to stop her.
> However if she goes with that decision, I would support HER
> afterwards."
Well see, he can't do anything (legal) to stop her from having an
abortion.

> You see the difference?  In one the action is done and in the
> other the action is contemplated.
Yes, I see the difference, but do you see the difference in that
abortion is legal and murder is not??

> Now, I wish I had the exact transcript.  Till then you can
> believe or not believe me.
I heard most of it on Crossfire.  Dan probably could have used better
words, but I don't see what he said as hyprocritical.

> Also, the way Quayle gave his calculated cold-blooded answer
> was no indiction that we were talking about "murder."
Are you being sarcastic here--I'm not sure.  His answer could not have
been calculated as he was put on the spot!

> --KAT
-Travis
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:41:00 EST
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Erratum

While we're on the subject of spelling:

Anyone see the Jim Borgman cartoon that pictured Bush reading a memo?
The text of the memo is "You can't fir me.  I quite.  Dan"

Best,
Peter

CAMPAIGN NOTE:  I have been in seclusion, working on definitive position
papers.  My collected positions, informally referred to as the "Kama
Sutra," will be released as time allows.  The new national anthem is
proving very popular, especailly among tattoo artists.  As for the song
that will replace "Hail to the Chief," I am currently considering a
variety of pieces (e. g.: Groucho's "Whatever It Is, I'm Against It"
will be played whenever I enter the Congress).  Further bulletins to
follow after I have finished my Danish.
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Subject:      p.s.: linda, this one's for us :)

I forgot to mention the part of Quayle's presentation that I liked the best
.  When asked to clarify his position on single mothers, he said that we
are heroes (sic) because we have a tougher time raising our kids than we
would if we were members of *intact* families (his word, my emphasis).

With support like that, who needs social change?

Kerry
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ThE MoNeY PiT :-) This Old House and Do it Yourself

GOOD LUCK, CARL!

hope you have many yrs (at least 15-30) in your new home.
and hope you have minimal back problems due to aggravations of moving :)
eat pizza and drink beer while moving, painting, sanding, it is a definite
help, while at the same time a sacred tradition.

-linda
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:14:47 EST
From:         "Greg `TwoTone' Spiegelberg" <GSPIEGEL@BSA1.KENT.EDU>
Subject:      Pro-Life or Pro-Restrictions???
Comments: To: politics@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.EDU

I've talked to many of my friends who are strong believers in the
entire Pro-Life movement and it sounds more like, to me, that y'all
are working more towards placing as many restrictions on abortion as
possible but without outlawing it?

So which is it ProLife people? Life or Restrictions?

-Greg the Inquisitive
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:54:37 EDT
From:         BAFEI@CONNCOLL.BITNET
Subject:      Does anyone miss me?

I've been away playing politics for a few days and have had irregular access
to a terminal to check mail and may not be back until Friday or Saturday at
the latest.  If there is anything that has been sent in the past week or so
that was posted for me to respond to, please send me a copy via e-mail.
Thanks, and hope everyone is well

Regards,

Brett


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From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How to Defeat Aids

>increasing standards for movie ratings will eliminate aids.
>hmmmmmm.....i didn't know you could contract aids that way.
>-linda

That is not quite what I meant.  Increasing the standards in
a media which has so much influence on the values and views
of children and young people, could help stem the problems
of the increased number of unwanted pregnancy, std infections,
etc.  The reason for this is that the lifestyle glamorized
on film is rarely one of reality.  The industry occasionally
creates a production where responsibility is demonstrated.
This would be a preferred solution.  Showing more people who
have sex on film using a condom, contracting a disease and
having to cope with it, etc might help.

As the situation now stands, the industry only contributes
to the problem.  As I said, it too rarely treats these issues
adequately.  For this reason, I advocate increasing restraints
on the industry.

-j.b.
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:58:28 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              27 Jul 1992 00:06:17 GMT from <jwales@COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Jimmy:

Unless you know something about Quayle that I don't, I don't see how you
can say he doesn't have an opinion on this issue.  Quayle has *never*
switched positions on abortion.  He has *always* been prolife.  Further-
more, he is a conservative evangelical born-again Christian with very
strong ties to the Christian reconstruction movement (in which his
father-in-law is very active.)  The CRs may be loopy, but they are *not*
prochoice.   I could understand your position if Quayle, like Bush,
Clinton, Perot, Gore, and Jackson had once held the opposite position on
abortion--that would make his position highly suspect.  However, since
he never has, I think you should concede that, on one issue, at least,
Dan isn't much of a politician.
                               --Missy Justice
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:21:00 -0500
From:         GAYLA BASSHAM <BASGD@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Another Gulf War?

>If Iraq doesn't back down to U.N. demands, will Bush take the country to war
>again? If he does, how will that affect his re-election efforts?

I think that Bush may go to war again.  But I think it will hurt him more than
it will help him.  It will only emphasize that our great "victory" in the
Persian Gulf didn't really solve much.  I know that wartime people are usually
popular, but I don't think that Bush can get popular with the same war twice.


>                                       -Sean

-----Gayla
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