HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kaytes@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Kregg Aytes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: cost-of-living
Keywords: standard-of-living, wages, prices
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep13.180711.796@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes...
> 
>this reminds me: is there a FAQ for this group. It should have basic data on
>all this stuff... (no, not me, arrrgg, I can't write FAQ's)
> 
>gbrower@acpub.duke.edu (Gary Brower) writes:
>>  Christ Church.
>   (conventionally one word)
> 
>> What does housing run (2-bedroom bungalow)?  Downtown?  Suburbs?
>In the squalid areas, $60k and up. Maybe $200k absolute tops for `a
>prestigous townhouse in a superior location...'. About $100-$120k for
>something reasonable. Rent maybe $100 (you'll be lucky) to $250 (you are
>lucky!).
Are those rent prices per week or per month? It sounds like they must be
per week, or the owners would be going in the hole with those housing
prices. Or are there rent controls in NZ? Here in Tucson, Arizona, I live
in a three bedroom house that would sell for about $65,000US. I rent it for
$450/month, and that's a very good deal.


> 
>> (Oh, if one lives in the 'burbs, is there adequate public
>> transport to the downtown aread?)
>Bike ride about 1hour tops from outside the city one way to outside the city
>the other way. Car about half that. Public transport I have no idea, being
>a cyclist (and it's 35 minutes from Sumner to Halswell - right accross the
>city- for me)
> 
Just out of curiosity, how are cyclists treated in NZ? I also use a bike as
my main mode of transportation, and have found some US cities to be
downright hostile towards cyclists. Others, like Tucson, are wonderful for
cycling.

Kregg Aytes
KAYTES@BPA.ARIZONA.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: cost-of-living
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:54:07 GMT
 <13SEP199213292125@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> <1992Sep14.132746.813@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Keywords: standard-of-living, wages, prices

moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes:

>> downright hostile towards cyclists. Others, like Tucson, are wonderful for
>> cycling.
>in Christchurch, Nelson, Dunedin generally very well. The buses in ChCh 
>tend to forget you sometimes in town, but hey...
>The cities (Auckland, Wellington at least) are specifically designed to
>shit on cyclists - motorways, and the drivers really have it in for you.

I've ridden on the motorways - in Wellington by accident (well how can a
Dorklander tell where the Hutt Highway ends?) & in Ak by design on certain
sections, but it's prudent to keep well left & ignore the nerds who beep at
you. As for driver aggression, the answer is rider assertion. Gosh, I
thought this was rec.bicycles :)

-- 
Graeme Moffat                g.moffat@aukuni.ac.nz \ Time wastes us all, 
Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
From: gencos@cs.pitt.edu (Gennaro Costagliola)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Hamilton Info needed
Keywords: Housing, avg income
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:29:27 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Can anybody give me some information about living in
Hamilton (NZ)?
In particular:
1) Housing
2) Average personal income (what would be the standard of living
    with NZ40,000 a year?)
3) Weather
4) Crime
5) Social environment 

Thanks

Gennaro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re:  NZ news to 29 August
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:24:05 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <QedYXGu00j_HEIOCFg@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 4-Sep-92 NZ news to 29
>> August Alan C. Operations@csc.c (7625)
>
>>  The storm, billed as the worst natural disaster for decades, caused
>> havoc throughout the region.
>....
>> Christchurch residents awoke to 10-30cm of snow in the city with deeper
>> drifts in the suburbs.
>
>Look, I don't like to sound mean or anything, but that's hilarious.  If
>10cm of snow is the worst natural disaster in decades, then ChCh must
>indeed be the idyll I remember,
    The _storm_ is the disaster, the snow is just a minor-ish contributing
    factor.
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel
From: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
Date: 8 Sep 1992 18:13:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: oogoody.corp.sun.com


In article 10676@waikato.ac.nz, amorgan@waikato.ac.nz () writes:
Good list of things to do. Thanx. Several peopel have suggested hitting
the pubs so I guess I'll submit :-)

	
>	DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT wear speedos on the beach!!!
>
>

I'll bite: why not?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: pcassidy@world.std.com (Peter F Cassidy)
Subject: Any unies need a journo profesor down there?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:20:17 GMT


-	Friends,
-	I am an American writer who has lived in  AUstralia and New Zealand and am interested in returning to work on NZ. I've taught at Boston University and Bunker Hill Community College in Boston, lecturing on writing and journalism.
-	If there is any way to view on-line openings or a central resource for finding openings for lecturers in New Zealand, I'd appreciate being directed to it. I miss the people - and the water, yes the water.

Peter Cassidy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ news to 29 August
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:45:27 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <QedvB3y00j_HASKGoP@cs.cmu.edu>, Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> 
> 
> Yes yes, I know. Don't mistake flippancy on my part for a lack on
> understanding.  10cm of snow is nothing to a place (like Pgh) that
> spends 3 months a year under it, but it's awful for somewhere like ChCh
> (and the plains) which spends 1 day every 10 years under it.  When I was
> younger, and living in Dunedin, I really appreciated the annual 1cm
> snowfall. It closed the schools, it closed the roads, it closed
> everything.

The 10-30cm was what settled on the ground in Christchurch. Out on the plains
and the peninsular the drifts were much, much deeper. For example an
acquaitance of mine who lives at Oxford took his bulldozer out to help clear
roads. The blade on this dozer is over 2m tall and he still had to weld an
extra plate on to it as a temporary measure as he was simply spreading the snow
over the top of his cab and back on to the road behind him. Army trucks trying
to take deisel up to Sugerloaf, the television and FM transmitting mast on the
Port Hills, reported going through 3m drifts.

Alan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: REAL NEWS!
From: kulp@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (David Kulp)
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:35:07 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.

In article <BuBC0w.JxL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION) writes:
> Is there anyone out in NZ "net-land" who can post real news from NZ to all
> of us around the world?  The Earth anxiously awaits...
> 
> Living without boundaries,
> The Vision

uh, is this a subtle flame?  alan murray from canterbury posts news regularly,
and i think he does a great job.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Computer disc man in mysterious death after SIS visit
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:51:29 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:

> An Auckland computer broker who bought some excess computer equipment
> from Citibank has mysteriously died in a car accident over the weekend.
> With the computer equipment Citibank had inadvertantly included around
> 90 computer discs containing confidential client information (and
> according to television news, evidence of corruption).

More news ..
 * the prime ministers department is tonight refusing to comment about
   the SIS involvement (the SIS visited the man shortly before he died
   -- but refused speak to him in his flat for fear that it was bugged).

 * Winston Peters who also met him at least twice before he died is also
   refusing to comment at this stage.

 * Radio New Zealand reported that the discs also contained evidence
   of secret payments directly to politicians.

 * there's more news media reports from anonymous sources that the car
   accident was deliberate.

 * the breakin to his flat was said to be "very professional".

 * no trace of the money.

 * the man's father, at the funeral today, asked anyone who knew
   anything to speak to the police as soon as possible, and said "my son
   was so courageous to do what he was doing".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: new zealand vacations
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:18:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <la9pugINN2oo@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff) writes:


>You all have spoken so highly of new zealand I think it's time for me
>to play tourist (providing income for local economies). I have 10 days
>during christmas.  So here's some probably ignorant questions:
>1. What's the weather like during december?

Sometimes, we get endless rainy periods during the Christmas hols.
Worth checking out what the weather's likely to be.

>2. What would be fun to do? And as a cultural tie-in what would be the
>   best way to experience the "real" new-zealand.

I guess you could visit a marae (a community centre of the indigenous
people, the Maoris). There's also a fair bit of European heritage
in the South Island. Christchurch is quite a pleasant town.

>3. What else should I know.

Hey don't ask me, I only live here! :-)
One thing, as far as I have noticed the slide in the USD has been matched
by the NZD, so your currency won't be anything near as worthless in the UK
this year.

>Thanx.

-- 
Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
From: amorgan@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:57:35 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep7.091815.2663@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         ) writes:
> In <la9pugINN2oo@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff) writes:
> 
>>You all have spoken so highly of new zealand I think it's time for me
>>to play tourist (providing income for local economies). I have 10 days
>>during christmas.  So here's some probably ignorant questions:
>>1. What's the weather like during december?
> 
> Sometimes, we get endless rainy periods during the Christmas hols.

Well, this may be so in Auckland - but not Hawkes Bay (Napier, Hastings, etc). 
Average temperature around Christmas would be somewhere in the 20-30 degrees 
range and it's *dry*. None of that oppressive mugginess experienced north of the
Bombay Hills all the time :-)
 
>>2. What would be fun to do? And as a cultural tie-in what would be the
>>   best way to experience the "real" new-zealand.
> 
> I guess you could visit a marae (a community centre of the indigenous
> people, the Maoris). There's also a fair bit of European heritage
> in the South Island. Christchurch is quite a pleasant town.

C'mon Mark - use your imagination ;-)

Fun to do: Bungy-Jumping (I suppose that depends on your definition of 'fun')
	   White-water rafting
	   Tramping in the Wakararas
	   Yachting
	   Cruising the East Coast beaches with a surfboard/windsurfer
	   The Ferry crossing between North and South Islands (on a fine day!)
	   Dining out at some of our top restaurants or little brasseries
	   Deer hunting (is December the season for it???)
	   Rabbit hunting (it's ALWAYS the season for it)
	   Art galleries and museums 
	   Whale spotting (if they're still doing it down south)
	   Wine Trails
	   Caving (and on the same note visit the Glow Worms at Waitomo)
	The list is endless...

Cultural:  Go on a pub crawl (I'm bound to get flamed for this one but it really
	   _is_ an intrinsic part of NZ culture)
	   Attend a Hangi (Maori equivalent of an underground bar-b-que)
	   Visit a marae (credits to Mark for that one)
	   Play rugby, netball, cricket, etc
	   Get sunburnt (a fairly unavoidable effect of living in NZ)
	   Art galleries and museums (again)
	   Stay on a farm
	And much, much more (I ought to be in advertising :-)


>>3. What else should I know.
	
	DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT wear speedos on the beach!!!


Morgy.
	[This is sig-less territory]
From: mrichardson@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: cost-of-living
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:31:34 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <13SEP199213292125@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>, kaytes@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Kregg Aytes) writes> In article <1992Sep13.180711.796@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes...
writes>> stuff deleted >  
> Just out of curiosity, how are cyclists treated in NZ? I also use a bike as
> my main mode of transportation, and have found some US cities to be
> downright hostile towards cyclists. Others, like Tucson, are wonderful for
> cycling.
> 
> Kregg Aytes
> KAYTES@BPA.ARIZONA.EDU
Stand at any red light in Washington D.C. and watch the cyclists whizz 
on through regardless of pedestrians or cars... Yeah, in some cities 
people are downright hostile to cyclists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ


In article <Geoff.26zo@equinox.gen.nz>, Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
>
>>As a restorer of a classic car I disagree that newer cars are safer,
>>accident wise I feel much safer in my '63 Ford Fairlane, or my
>>80 Aust. assembled Cortina, or the other cars I have owned a 65 Meceredes
>>and a 59 Dodge Hearse, (all these cars have seatbelts) than in any Japanese
>
>So what was the classic? The Merc has a certain style, but there's nothing
>'classic' about any of the '65 models. Now if it was an SLR...
>
>--
>Geoff "only trade drive Ford" Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406
>                                                      Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
>       "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"


I wasn't referring to the Merc in which I sold years ago, I was
referring to the Fairlane.

--
Red
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Japanese Imports
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 14:33:15 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> 
> Bill, you're reinforcing a lot of the negative stereotypes people have about
> journalists here.
> 
> Firstly, your second sentence could (accurately) be rewritten as "Take a look
> at a new American/Korean/European/Japanese car...." but it's much more
> "acceptable" to bash the Japanese.
> 
Yes, execpt they don't dump their unwanted death traps on us :-)
Seriously though, your point is taken though we were talking about 
Japanese imports.
 
> Secondly, you appear to be ignorant of the fact that modern vehicles are
> *deliberately* designed to crumple in major accidents to absorb the energy of
That's sophistry. The safest cars are Swedish and German - look at the 
stats. They are built like tanks. The stuff about crumple zones etc may 
be true - I don't know, but I would feel safer in a tank.
 
Having said that, I'd never afford a German car and I wouldn't buy a 
Volvo on principle.

> 
> Did you actually research the respective safety laws of the countries
> mentioned here, or are you merely going from "what some senior MOT official
> told you at a party."? (not a direct quote)
> 
Guilty as charged. However, I have interviewed someone from a major 
Japanese owned local manufacturer who says that locally built cars are 
made to more stringent safty requirements than Japanese models. Is he 
telling the truth? I don't know. But it IS interesting.
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:11:23 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand
Distribution: soc

In article <1992Sep9.172213.751@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, rjm@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Raymond Moss) writes:
> In article <2AAD447D.5598@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, hart@bashful (James A. Hart) writes:
>> How can any collection of 'interesting' foods of New Zealand not mention
>> the infamous 'palonie' (spelling?) 8<).
> 
> Question - what's a 'palonie'??
>

Seems that the further north you go the more perverse the things they call
food. No Segg, No belgium (They have a cheap sweepings gunge they call
luncheon), and savaloys are called something different (Polonies), and the
savaloys they call savaloys have a different colour (Orange, when they are
really red), and taste (Awful!)

Woops. Nearly forgot the square crumpets. Have to fill up the bags in ChCh when
passing through with those. Only stupid little round things that go hard if you
show them the oven (Or toaster), and are usually stale before they get to the
shops. Ahhh... If only someone up here in the wilds would make a civilised
crumpet. Square of course...

> Ray [%-)
>  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
From: Ray.Nickson@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ray Nickson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:06:31 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep8.115736.10676@waikato.ac.nz> amorgan@waikato.ac.nz writes:

           DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT wear speedos on the beach!!!

Actually, we'd rather you didn't drive your car on the beach at all.

So, what's a `speedo' to you?  Here it's short for `speedometer'.
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:00:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Mef=84W00j_HQifGta
	<1992Sep8.115736.10676@waikato.ac.nz>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 8-Sep-92 Re: New Zealand
> vacations amorgan@waikato.ac.nz (2406)

> >>3. What else should I know.
> 	
> 	DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT wear speedos on the beach!!!



Why not?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:00:10 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>Awful Beer? You have no taste!
>Add Steinlager to the list... 

Well, I agreed wholeheartedly with your previous endorsement of Waikato, but
Steinlager? It *is* bloody awful!

-- 
Graeme Moffat                g.moffat@aukuni.ac.nz \ Time wastes us all, 
Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  8 Sep 92 21:52:04 GMT

Ray.Nickson@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ray Nickson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.115736.10676@waikato.ac.nz> amorgan@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>           DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT wear speedos on the beach!!!

>Actually, we'd rather you didn't drive your car on the beach at all.
>So, what's a `speedo' to you?  Here it's short for `speedometer'.

  Speedo is a brand of swimwear commonly worn by serious pool swimmers
(i.e. all those people you see in the Olympics).  As I was growing up,
it seemed to become a generic term for the male version, which
resemble bikini bottoms (as opposed to the shorts-type), and
which are affectionately termed by a friend of mine as "dick togs"
(for obvious reasons.  As they say, if you've got it, flaunt it).
  Speedos are seldom seen at New Zealand beaches, and if they are, 
it's usually amongst the geriatric set.  I'm not really sure why
this cultural aversion to speedos has developed because our
neighbours across the Tasman seem to love them.

-- 
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