HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kibirev@csa.bu.edu (oleg kibirev)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: DSing the SS (was Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer)
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:08:01 GMT
Reply-To: /dev/null

In article <1992Apr9.153535.9144@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
#glenn@curie.ces.cwru.edu (Glenn Crocker) writes:
#>flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
#>   clb@hp835.mitek.com (Chris Boyd) writes:
#>   >Making my own punch to cut a write protect notch on the other
#>   >side of one of those $4.50 SSSD disks so's that I could write
#>   >data on the flipside of the disk.
#>   ha!  We just cut 'em out with scissors.  Easy to miss the media.  Lots of
#>   leeway in there.
#>SCISSORS?  Why when I was a boy, we didn't have SCISSORS!  We'd CHEW
#>the notch in the disks.  And they weren't those NAMBY PAMBY 5.25"
#>disks!  They were 8" disks!  NO!  They were 10 foot disks and they
#>weighed hundreds of pounds each!  And we had to carry them uphill to
#>the machine room 4,000 miles with NO SHOES!  Yeah, we were just dumb
#>kids with dull teeth, but we were HAPPY.
#
#Wimp.  At least you had disks.  We had to memorize the entire operating
#system in machine code, and type it in every morning.

Wimp. At least you had computers. We had to execute the entire
operating system in our heads. Once someone have written a virus that
would activate and damage brains on March 6. Since we used to exchange
thoughts without checking them with the latest version of SCAN, soon
many of us got infected & SysOp had to reboot us from  clean diskettes.
From: Ralf.Brown@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: DSing the SS (was Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer)
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:59:16 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science
Originator: ralf@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Apr09.175935.18483@eng.umd.edu>, russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
}In article <1992Apr9.164752.5677@adobe.com> swirsky@adobe.com (Robert Swirsky) writes:
}>I can spot a phony hacker anywhere! On 8" disks, of course, the sense
}>of the write-protect notch was reversed! You had to tape over the notch
}>to be able to write to the disk! There's no need to chew on anything.
}
}Sorry, the sense of the 8" disks was CORRECT, following that of
}magtapes (with the ubiqutous WRITE-ENABLE rings).  It is the smaller
}disks which have them reversed

Only 5.25" disks.  3.5" disks are write-enabled by blocking the hole.

ObHack:  A TSR to swap the Esc/tilde keys and Left-Control/CapsLock keys
whose resident portion has been bummed down to 53 bytes, including checks
for three special cases, two of which require disabling the TSR for the
following invocation.  If anybody's interested, it's on SIMTEL20 in
PD1:<MSDOS.KEYBOARD>RBKEYSWP.ZIP.

-- 
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DISCLAIMER?  Did   |  Hansen's Library Axiom: The closest library doesn't
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From: grantham@rri.UUCP (Brad Grantham)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Apple ][ gritty digitizer
Keywords: sound, cheap
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:25:24 GMT

This isn't a spectacular hack, but I keep it in my warm and fuzzy
memory bank for days when vi core dumps.

Anyone ever write a digitizer using the Apple ][ cassette port?  I
know there was one running around called "DoubleTalk," which I
discovered after I wrote a set of routines in assembly for saving
and replaying sounds from the cass jack.  I had flags for cass/spkr
output and a variable sampling speed. In the end, I was counting the
instruction times to see how fast I could get the read routine to go
and synchronize it with the speed of the play routine.  The best
part was the BASIC utility program I used for storing the sounds on
disk and wrapping it up as a real application.  (The last program I
ever managed to finish.)  I called it "Music -n- Stuff."  (Yeah,
I was 15 and not very creative.)


ObIttyBittyHack:  Here at work, I rigged a couple of scripts to set 
the bell tone and length on the X server of a remote machine (3/486's 
running Interactive).  Then I chained them together, and I like to 
play music occasionally on other people's terminals.  I'm going to 
come to the office some night and put together some multi-instrument 
works.  (I don't have this much free time.  Really.  No, really.)

		-Brad
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: swirsky@adobe.com (Robert Swirsky)
Subject: Re: DSing the SS (was Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:47:52 GMT

In article <GLENN.92Apr9103152@curie.ces.cwru.edu> glenn@curie.ces.cwru.edu (Glenn Crocker) writes:
>
>flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>> ..we cut the write-protect notch with scissors...
>
>SCISSORS?  Why when I was a boy, we didn't have SCISSORS!  We'd CHEW
>the notch in the disks.  And they weren't those NAMBY PAMBY 5.25"
>disks!  They were 8" disks! 

I can spot a phony hacker anywhere! On 8" disks, of course, the sense
of the write-protect notch was reversed! You had to tape over the notch
to be able to write to the disk! There's no need to chew on anything.

ObHack:
	Getting my model 28 tty connected to my Unix machine. (I got
	the 28 for $5.00 at the Foothill flea market last year.) Having
	trouble finding the curly brackets--thank Gosh for ANSI trigraphs

--
Robert
swirsky@adobe.com	robert@boy.com
FREE ANSWERS TO (most) UNIX QUESTIONS: email rtfm@boy.com
From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Sound Digitizer
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:03:11 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I created a digitizer on my Atari 800 that used the paddle port as an
A/D.  The code (I, too, got the original code out of a magazine) was a
combination of BASIC and ASSEMBLY.  I wound up disassembling the
binary code and Bumming it, because I found some problems with it.  It
didn't use the full extent of the memory, and it wasn't quite fast
enough for my taste.

Since I had 48K (And I was HAPPY to have that much memory), I had the
program check where the top of itself was, figure out where the top of
the memory was, and then use ALL that memory for the sound.

I was able to get about 15 seconds of sound at a sampling rate of
about 10-15KHz (I don't exaclty remember the speed, this was years
ago)....  I really impressed people by playing sound-bytes from songs
that lasted 15 seconds long and sounded pretty good.  (Albeit, only 4
bits of accuracy, but what did I know?  I was only 12).

ObHack: Writing a program to bounce X connections through a firewall
machine that only allowed telnet connections to pass through from the
inside to the outside, and allowing connections from only the hosts I
wanted in the outside to be accepted.

--
         Derek Atkins -- MIT '93 -- Electrical Engineering
--warlord@MIT.EDU | ..!mit-eddie!mit-athena!warlord | s20069@mitvma.bitnet
   Vice Chairman, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)
           MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Stupid goto tricks (Re: Life as a game)
Date: 9 Apr 1992 19:38:25 +0200
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: smurf.smurf.sub.org

In alt.hackers, article <JP8EWJ6@taronga.com>,
  peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
< In article <ktcc9bINN9uc@smurf.smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
< >Easy. Put a label in front of every jump destination. Number destinatons
< >from 1 to N. Replace every goto with "{ label = N; break; }".
< >Insert "int label = 1; while(label != 0) switch(label) {" in front of code
< >and "}" after.
< 
< Why? What's wrong with just leaving the gotos in? The resulting code is
< just as badly structured as the original, and it's harder to understand
< and optimise, and has more overhead.

Unfortunately, the original question was about how to replace a bunch of
GOTOs with "structured" code, i.e. loops and conditional statements.

"GOTO considered harmful" and all that.  :-)


ObHack (which some people seem to forget): Replacing my answering machine.
The replacement consists of an ISDN card and some very ugly software --
the hardware isn't really up to it.
Not really cost-effective, but more fun. (Yes, I know I have some strange
ideas about fun... Strictly consensual, however.)

-- 
Matthias Urlichs  --  urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- urlichs@smurf.ira.uka.de   /(o\
Humboldtstrasse 7 -- 7500 Karlsruhe 1 -- Germany  --  +49-721-9612521     \o)/
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane)
Subject: Re: The Hacker Test PROGRAM!
Organization: Group Treasury, State Bank of NSW
Date:  9 Apr 92 10:08:36 GMT

BB1TSPNW@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:

>section 1 of uuencode 4.02 of file hacktest.zip    by R.E.M.
> 
>begin 644 hacktest.zip
                    ^^^

You already lose :-)
From: jhelbaum@stroke.Princeton.EDU (Jason Elbaum)
Subject: Re: Those Apple ][ days of yore...
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:46:14 GMT

An Apple II hack:

A "two-line" self-modifying Applesoft program to plot functions on the
hi-res screen.  (I quote "two-line" b/c Applesoft allows 240 characters
per line).  User enters a function using any BASIC features, computer
plots it on screen.
-- 
Jason Elbaum                               jhelbaum@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us (Jack Prevost)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Test
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:46:40 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market Public Access Site - Spokane, WA

In article <1992Apr06.192755.116950@zeus.calpoly.edu> swoodwar@zeus.calpoly.edu (Null Cypher) writes:
>Test.

Doesn't it say not to do that in the FAQ?  <grin>  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

ObHack: Zmodem-65 is coming along...  I just re-downloaded the rzrs.shar
file from the UNIX area on GEnie, so I'm going to get into it over the
next week or so.  Hopefully, I'll even get somewhere!
 
_______________________________________________________________________
|jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us|"Reality is a Retreat of the Unimaginitive"|
|.signature virus was here|          =//= Bishop d'Song =//=          |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: choke@wet.UUCP (Sean Gallaty)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: This is not a dream.
Summary: not a test
Keywords: test gif money sex free
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:40:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Distribution: ba
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

Can it really be this easy?
I've never done this sort of thing before (and the check is in the mail,
and I won't come in your mouth...)


	


ObHack : making a single field be a string constant conglomerate of several
	fields in a database so that index sorts were sped up by 600 times.
From: steve@wattres.San-Jose.CA.US (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Those Apple ][ days of yore...
Keywords: key schluessel llave
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:24:48 GMT
Organization: Steven Watt, Consultant   San Jose, CA, USA

In article <1992Apr9.184922.5698@willamette.edu> jtilton@willamette.edu (James Tilton) writes:
>Anyway, I'll just reminisce about those good 'ol days, when the Apple
>computers came with manuals that actaully *mentioned* and (fairly well)
>*described* things like RWTS... unlike now, when you get 80 pages of
>"point and click"... argh.  For sheer hackitude, nothing quite beats
>those early personal computers.... :)

Ahhh...  The wonders of RWTS.  I think I still have a copy of "Beneath Apple
DOS" somewhere around...

The disk controller on the ][ was a sight to see.  The programmer got to drive
the stepper phases him/herself, read and write the stream directly.  None of
this modern easy one-chip-does-all-the-hard-work.  It made some truly devious
copy protection schemes available.  Of course, if the computer could read it,
it could copy it...  But I didn't break any, did I?  Naah...  well.....

[the 5th amendment takes over somewhere around here]

On the other hand, I used the cassette port as a digitizer for a while, and
managed to get a reasonable sounding thing out of the internal speaker.  It's
amazing what a 13 year old could learn about PWM...  ;)

ObModernHack:  Ever write a mail data collecter (a'la the UUCP mapping project)
in awk?  It's fun. ;)  It's the Repeater Mapping Project.  Look in
rec.radio.amateur.misc if you have one to add...

-- 
Steve Watt  KD6GGD     steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US
 ...!apple!wattres!steve  ...!mips!wattres!steve  ...!decwrl!gigo!wattres!steve
Left to his own devices, he'd be /dev/null.
From: zcakilh@ucl.ac.uk (Miss Chee Mei Yeoh)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Apple II disk controllers
Summary: A wonderful variety of possible protection schemes : -)
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:17:58 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Steve Watt (steve@wattres.sj.ca.us) writes
 
> The disk controller on the Apple II was a sight to see. The programmer      
> got to drive the stepper phases herself [and] read and write the
> stream directly. None of this modern easy one-chip-does-all-the-hard-
> work. It made some truly devious protection schemes available.
                                                                            
Quite. :-) I was at a friend's home one evening working on a nybble          
copier (written with the mini-assembler, and when my integer card
broke down, in hex :-) On the faith of all the publicly available
documentation at the time, we all 'knew' that the drive motor could
be moved in increments of half a track; it was impossible to do
better and I (and a friend, now a medical student) asserted as much.  
Just then, another friend called to say that quarter-track seeking    
was, after all, possible. :-) Needless to say, I felt a complete      
fool at the time. The first protection scheme to employ this breakthrough
was Mark Duchaineau's "Spiradisk", for On-Line systems. (an account   
of its development can be found in Steven Levy's charming book        
"Hackers".) Another protection scheme which I consider to be very     
elegant was the one Sirius Software employed for Bandits and other
games. I have always wondered who devised that scheme, which I consider
to be sublime :-). Does anyone know? I'd be extremely interested to
hear about any other similar stories.
 
Obligatory Hack: By flipping between graphics pages at 65 processor         
cycles, it is possible to obtain stable images of parts of more than
one graphics page at the same time on an Apple II.
                                                                      
Nigel Yeoh, School of Law Kings College London, England
quando@well.sf.ca.us, ci$:100016,275, zdtl123@oak.cc.kcl.ac.uk                  
'we all live in a yellow subroutine , yellow subroutine, yellow sub..'
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Apple ][ cassete port (was Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer)
Keywords: sound, cheap
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:33:19 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Apr7.181259.9061@mips.mitek.com> clb@hp835.mitek.com (Chris Boyd) writes:
>jay@puppsr5.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner) writes:
>>This was the only use I ever found for that cassette port---I mean, who
>>here exists who actually used tapes* for file storage?  I suppose it
>>might still be slightly faster than a C-64 disk drive, but still...
>
>Well, I did.  A floppy drive cost something like $600.00, plus a
>C note or so for the controller card.  Single Side Single Density
>disks were $4.50 EACH.  Suitable cassette tapes were within my
>limited budget.
I used a cassette on the Apple ][ for the same reason, but finally bought
a Lobo controller that was switchable between 5 bit and 6 bit GCR mode, 
since it was somewhat cheaper than Apple's.

BTW, Apples were for weenies that couldn't even build their own machine
from scratch.  After several years of hacking, I turned into a weenie.

Hack:
  My first computer was an AP Products superstrip.  You know, those white
plastic boards that you poke parts into.  I was p*ssed at Motorola for
charging so much ($175) for a 6800 when MOS Technology ran an ad for
6502's for $25.  I didn't know what a 6502 was, but a $25 uP, what the heck.
So I sent in my money, got the chip and manuals, and plugged it into the
proto board.  Unlike the 6800, the 6502 would generate it's own clock with
just a capacitor & resistor.  So I hardwired a NOP into the data lines,
stuck a big capacitor on the clock and some LED's on the address lines,
and watched it count in binary.

What a thrill.

-- 
   Dave Kemp   dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil              "Pave the Bay!"
   #include <std/disclaimer>
-- 
   Dave Kemp   dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil              "Pave the Bay!"
   #include <std/disclaimer>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: DSing the SS (was Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer)
Organization: Solbourne, User Interface Group
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.153535.9144@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
>Wimp.  At least you had disks.  We had to memorize the entire operating
>system in machine code, and type it in every morning.

You could type?  Pure luxury.  At least you had a keyboard.  We had to
key in the entire operating system using front pannel switches....

ObHack:	Writing a filter to fool a program into thinking that certain
	modules were compiled -g, when in fact they weren't.

Warner

-- 
Warner Losh		imp@Solbourne.COM
If it can't be done with Emacs, you are being too ambitious.
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: jay@puppsr5.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner)
Subject: Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: sound, cheap
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:40:22 GMT

In article <468@rri.UUCP> grantham@rri.UUCP (Brad Grantham) writes:
>This isn't a spectacular hack, but I keep it in my warm and fuzzy
>memory bank for days when vi core dumps.
>
>Anyone ever write a digitizer using the Apple ][ cassette port?

This was the only use I ever found for that cassette port---I mean, who
here exists who actually used tapes* for file storage?  I suppose it
might still be slightly faster than a C-64 disk drive, but still...

I was able to pack in about 30 seconds of digitized, horrible quality sound
at once in the lower 48K.   My favorite was digitizing a small section
of random songs (5-10 secs) and hacking the schools SAT prep computer
programs to play these songlets instead of beeping (I was in an SAT prep
class at the time).  It was a lot more interesting to have Barron's SAT
prep sing "I'm  bad" than go "beep".

Jay

* come to think of it, I use tapes now, but Exabyte tapes hold a few gigabytes
of info, which is considerably more than any Apple ][ medium could hold.
From: newsham@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Timothy Newsham)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Those Apple ][ days of yore...
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:55:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr13.225520.12115
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering


In article <OWGELCF@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>If you're an Apple-II hacker, you NEED to get an Amiga. It has all the
>hacking space of the Apple-II with none of the disadvantages.
>-- 
>/F{findfont exch scalefont setfont}def /S{moveto show}def /T{/Times-Roman F}def
>6 T (Have you hugged your wolf today?)468 20 S 9 T (Taronga Park BBS)24 35 S 10
>/Courier F(`-_-')488 40 S ( 'U` )488 30 S 6 T (+1 713 568 0480 2400/n/8/1)24 27
>S (+1 713 568 1032 Trailblazer)24 20 S 12 T (Peter da Silva)24 45 S showpage

as opposed to the msdos line where all the hacking was done at manufacture time
by the lovely twits at intel eye bee em and microsoft.
(big smiles)
From: glenn@curie.ces.cwru.edu (Glenn Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: DSing the SS (was Re: Apple ][ gritty digitizer)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:31:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: curie.GLENN.92Apr9103152
	<1992Apr7.181259.9061@mips.mitek.com>
	<92Apr8.233843edt.144358@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu>
Organization: Case Western Reserve University


flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.hackers
   Date: 9 Apr 92 03:39:14 GMT
   Approved: snot@rag.mucus.com

   clb@hp835.mitek.com (Chris Boyd) writes:
   >ObHack:
   >Making my own punch to cut a write protect notch on the other
   >side of one of those $4.50 SSSD disks so's that I could write
   >data on the flipside of the disk.

   ha!  We just cut 'em out with scissors.  Easy to miss the media.  Lots of
   leeway in there.

SCISSORS?  Why when I was a boy, we didn't have SCISSORS!  We'd CHEW
the notch in the disks.  And they weren't those NAMBY PAMBY 5.25"
disks!  They were 8" disks!  NO!  They were 10 foot disks and they
weighed hundreds of pounds each!  And we had to carry them uphill to
the machine room 4,000 miles with NO SHOES!  Yeah, we were just dumb
kids with dull teeth, but we were HAPPY.

ObHack:  An Atari 800 TSR.  (Since you guys seem into old 8-bit stuff
these days.)

--
Glenn Crocker                   |  Hackers aren't unethical, they're
glenn@ces.cwru.edu              |  "Differently-ethical."
CWRU, Cleveland, OH             |
W (216)368-6133 H (216)791-4610 |
From: Ralf.Brown@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: The Hacker Test PROGRAM!
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:56:29 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science
Originator: ralf@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <hackers.703303035@rstoopid>, pierre@cs.UAlberta.CA (Pierre Honeyman) wrote:
}I have been reading this group for a while now and it seems that you all
}have no lives... hacking Apples was fun in 82 but get on with it.

Most of those hacks probably *were* done in '82....  At least in my
case, I haven't touched an Apple ][ since '83.

ObHack: Getting near-letter-quality printing on an Epson FX80 by taking
over the IBM PC's printer software interrupt and converting all text
output into two-pass high-res graphics.  This was one of my first major
undertakings on a PC, back in 1984.  Since the printer attached to my
current 386 is still that same old FX80, I occasionally run the final
1986 version of that program even now.

-- 
{backbone}!cs.cmu.edu!ralf  ARPA: RALF@CS.CMU.EDU  FIDO: Ralf Brown 1:129/26.1
BITnet: RALF%CS.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE   AT&Tnet: (412)268-3053 (school)   FAX: ask
DISCLAIMER?  Did   |  Hansen's Library Axiom: The closest library doesn't
I claim something? |                          have the material you need.
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: jmlake@grimm.cogsci.uiuc.edu (J M Lake)
Subject: Re: The Hacker Test PROGRAM!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:28:24 GMT

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>Wimps. You're all spoiled by all these large-address-space machines.

>-- 
>/F{findfont exch scalefont setfont}def /S{moveto show}def /T{/Times-Roman F}def
>6 T (Have you hugged your wolf today?)468 20 S 9 T (Taronga Park BBS)24 35 S 10
>/Courier F(`-_-')488 40 S ( 'U` )488 30 S 6 T (+1 713 568 0480 2400/n/8/1)24 27
>S (+1 713 568 1032 Trailblazer)24 20 S 12 T (Peter da Silva)24 45 S showpage

This said by a man who has a PostScript signature.  Oy vey!

Mike
--
J. Michael Lake          Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology
Dept. of Comp. Science           jmlake@uiuc.edu             Urbana, IL  61801