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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: shopping hours (and bathroom differences)
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:19:07 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <26AUG199216250843@cs.umass.edu> atkin@cs.umass.edu writes:

>  WOW!!! You must have read my mind! Every time someone asks me if I would 
>  prefer living in Germany or in the US, I tell them, I don't know, I really
>  like Germany, except for two things: The weather and the shopping hours!

Where in Germany? I know places where I find the weather really nice
(Karlsruhe, for example, especially in summer - but there are people
here disagreeing with me, too :-)

>  I disagree, though, that everyone believes this. Most Germans haven't
>  experienced the "liberal" shopping hours of other countries and therefore
>  don't know what they are missing convience-wise.

ALL Germans HATE our shopping hours except for two groups: trade-union
leaders and retail store owners :-(

>  I think this is a factor that also explains the bathroom fixtures differences
>  that is being discussed on a parallel thread: People get used to what they've
>  got, and are reluctant to change, even if it's for the better...

Right :-(

>  Take the following example: Our landlord just recently had our bathroom 
>  redone. A "mixing tap" was installed, but no removable showerhead! It's hard 
>  to find fixed showerheads in Germany, but they are very common in the US, and
>  far less practical. I guess it'll be a while before all of the modern day

But these are cheaper and more endurable. You'll find them for that
very reason all around Germany in youth hostels and sports centers ;-)

MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - Univ of Karlsruhe - s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de -
uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc - +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
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 devoted to its operating system. - Fred Brooks (1975)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:23:13 -0400 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Illiterates:  (was: Re: GERMAN CLASS)

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.german:
27-Aug-92  Re: GERMAN CLASS               rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.na (888)    
>From: rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)


>Irene,
>   
>   What you need to do now is post to talk.bizarre all the email you
>   will undoubtedly recieve from all the horndog undergraduate computer

[stuff deleted]

>rp -- I see a great need.


To "recieve" mail ?  How do they keep an illiterate like rpwhite in
college ? Even if you are in the navy, don't they ask you to know how to
spell the simplest words ?    

                                     mf

=====================================================================
If the facts are against you, argue the law.
It the law is against you, argue the facts.
If the facts and the law are against you, yell like hell.

                                (MURPHY)
From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:00:12 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <1992Aug17.221538.23272@sco.com> jimmo@sco.COM (James Mohr) writes:
>
>In article <1790.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>
>>RDC>>That makes her belong to the 0.002% of the
>>RDC>>Americans, who have heard of another language. Seldom met such an
>>RDC>>ignorance about foreign languages as in this country.
>
>Your ignorance is showing. Most educated people today realize the need
>for foreign language skills. I would love to see you in five years still
>flipping burgers at McDonald's.

Bzzt! Wrong! Nobody speaks German.  And I *live* in Germany.  English is it.
I have worked here in Munich and also in France.  The language of today,
and tomorrow, as far as business is concerned, is English.

But, if you want anything but a totally awful time when you go out to dinner
in Paris, man, you better know at least a little French. But we can address
what assholes the french are in other news groups :)

Servus,
Ian
From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:35:05 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <me.714830225@dude> me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel) writes:

[ Pondering on the benefits of shaved skin omitted...]
>
>I DID get the impression that in the US (and Great Britain)
>it is almost impossible for a woman not to shave her legs,
>while I haven't seen it that often here in Germany.

Huh?  You live in Munchen and you don't see that many women with shaved
legs?  Really? I mean, everywhere I look if the woman is under 40 years
old she has shaved legs. I would say about half shave their pits.

Actually, some of the nude beaches I have been to on the lakes around
Munchen have had women who have shaved ALL their hair.  

I hear lots of Germans ranking on Americans, but most of them do what they
can to look and act like they are from the states.
>
>Michael
>--
>Michael Elbel 			|  No, I haven't lost my brain!
>PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany	|  I just forgot it in the
>   me@dude.pcs.com 		|  rush this morning.

Ian Malone
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel)
Subject: Re: Bathroom standards
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:33:22 GMT

In <NICKEL.92Aug27001536@desaster.cs.tu-berlin.de> nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen) writes:
>I have to admit that that the shit-in-water variant has one
>disadvantage compared to the shit-in-dry-area variant: When the shit
>falls into the water it causes a splash of water that may reach your
>back.  Since the water may not be *completely* clean at that moment
>anymore, some people have a strong aversion to that. But this
>disadvantage can be dealt with. I prefer dealing with it.

One thing that I found astonishing when I was in the US is the
amount of water used in the toilets. Often there would be this
BIG bowl that held (guessed, I didn't want to actually measuere it ;-)
about 5 to 6 liters of water. When flushing it, you have to both
force the old water out and then completely replace it which takes
a horrible amount of water. Wouldn't this be waste?

Another thing which I didn't dare to ask till now: How do you
get the bowl clean if there happens to stick something despite
the water? In Germany we have these brushes you find in virtually
every toilet, in the US I haven't ever seen something like this.
So what do you do (or was I just to dumb to use the toilet
properly)?

Michael
--
Michael Elbel                |  No, I haven't lost my brain!
PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany  |  I just forgot it in the
   me@dude.pcs.com           |  rush this morning.
From: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM (Tony Ooka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Krawalle in Rostock (Meinung eines 'Auslanda')
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:18:33 GMT
Reply-To: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com

Hallo,

Ich habe das Folgende im Brief von Axel Mahler gelesen:

"Fast noch schlimmer als den applaudierenden Poebel in Rostock fand ich
die Aeusserungen von Passanten auf dem Berliner Ku-Damm (fette, satte
Wessis) die von einem Radio-4-U Team zu dem Thema interviewt wurden.
Die meisten haben Sympathie fuer die Verbrecher geaeussert ("..is do
rischtisch, wa ham sowieso viel ssu ville Auslaenda!"). Das
Reporterteam berichtete, dass etwa 90% der Befragten sich so oder
zumindest verstaendnisvoll fuer die Skinheads geaeussert hatten. Wenn
das auch nur annaehernd repreasentativ sein sollte, dann schaeme ich
mich zu diesem Volk zu gehoeren."

Alles, was in Rostock passierte, kann ich kaum glauben; besonders fand ich
ganz entaeuschend, wie die Befragten (zivilisierte, weltbuergerliche Berliner?)
darauf reagierten!

Schon habe ich Plaene gemacht, nach Bremen, Hamburg, und Berlin zu fahren.
(Fahrschein, Reservierungen, alles vorbereitet)

Ich bin Amerikaner asiatischer Abstammung, der in Kalifornien lebt und arbeitet. 

Ich weiss nicht, wegen solcher Ereignisse (zB Rostock), ob es koerperlich
sicher fuer mich, im Osten zu fahren. Nie haette ich gedacht, dass ich im Jahre
1992 in Deutschland so eine echte Angst haben sollte.

Erstens kam die Katastrofen in Los Angeles und San Francisco, was ich ganz
widerlich fand. "Ja, Amerika hat es schwer!" dachte ich. Jetzt kommt die
Krawalle in Rostock. Schade.

"Zusammenfassung: Deutschland 1992: Ekelhaft und zum Kotzen

Dem kann ich leider nur zustimmen!

Angewidert, Axel Mahler."

Ja, das stimmt. Und manchmal denke ich "Werde ich eigentlich bis zu meinem 
dreissigsten Geburtstag leben, da es so viele gute Menschen in der Welt gibt?"

Gruss

Tony Ooka
Sun Microsystems GmbH, Kalifornien
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Matthew Zalbiciewski)
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:58:36 GMT

ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:

>Prejudice against the Jews in Europe is well documented and nowhere
>was this worse than in Poland.

Great one Ted! Can you explain, then, why did so many Jews (a few
million) emigrate to Poland between the two World Wars? Were they just
playing masochists, plain stupid, or what? I mean, if they didn't have
it worse in Germany, Russia, or wherever, why would they take positive
steps to go where they would end up worse off?

>The nazis capitalized on the situation

Good on them, smart fellows. I'm full of awe at how resourceful and
clever they were. Really.

>but I think responsibility for the death camps has to shared by the
>whole of Europe

That's it! Spread the blame! We mustn't let the Germans take all the
blame.  No, no, no. It was the Poles, the fucking Poles, who kept the
Jews on their soil for so many years, just to cause trouble for the
Germans who "finally" had to do something to "solve" the problem, since
the Poles were obviously too stupid to do anything effective. And now
look at how ungrateful everybody is to the Germans for "cleansing"
Europe. And there's finger pointing, and naughty things are being said
about the Master Race, and so on. So, in a show of solidarity with the
great "cleansers" let's share the burden together, let's apportion the
blame equally among all of Europe. This is what it means to be in a
community, share the problems, big and small.

>and especially by those areas where prejudice was most
>widespread.

Oh no, how stupid of me to try to spread the blame equally. Geez, I
must be a Pole, I never learn. We don't want to spoil with any
blemishes the bright, carefully cultivated, image of a tolerant and
enlightened Europe.  Let's apportion some more, a lot more, all (?),
of the blame to those outside the EC, where, anyway, all these
"regrettable incidents" took place. They're all backward, after all,
they won't mind. And even if some do, who gives a shit?

Yes, and just how much blame must be borne by the Jews themselves?
After all, nobody asked them to stay in Europe, and if they weren't
there nothing would've happened to them, right?  They should've gotten
the message when the Leader came to power, and split. After all, the
Leader and his followers weren't exactly subtle, were they? It's like a
pimple on your face that only has itself to blame when you squeeze it
out:  it was it's own fault it was there in the first place, playing on
your nerves, irritating you, daring you to get rid of it, while knowing
your face will look bad after you do squeeze it out because of the
sore, hoping you will never take the plunge and do it. But you did call
its bluff (!), and now what? Nobody likes you. Oh shit! It ain't fair.

MZ

PS: Get your razor out.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind)
Subject: Re: Mastercard Insurance
Organization: Vienna University of Technology
	<1992Aug21.194335.10222@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:32:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.194335.10222@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pjd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer) writes:

   Wichtiger Unterschied zwischen MC Gold und VISA GOLD:

   MC Gold schuetzt nur bei Leihperioden bis zu 15 Tagen, VISA Gold aber
   bis zu 30 Tagen. Frueher (bis 31. 12. 1991) waren es auch bei MC Gold
   30 Tage. Hoffentlich zieht VISA Gold nicht nach.

Zumindest in Amerika bietet auch American Express einen automat. CDW
an, wenn man mit AMEX card bezahlt - ich habe aber augenblicklich
nicht die Bedingungen bei mir, also weiss ich nicht wie lange diese
Deckung gilt. Weiss jemand genaueres?

michael

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: thomke@mtl.mit.edu (Stefan Thomke)
Subject: Re: Dr. = Dr., usw.
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:56:38 GMT

In article <oli.714728461@ernie> oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
>thomke@mtl.mit.edu (Stefan Thomke) writes:
>
>>No, you have missed the point. When I got married (my wife carries an 
>>Indian citizenship), I was asked, among other unreasonable requests, to
>>present a document stating that she wasn't already married, signed by the
>>Minister of the Interior in India. To make a long story short: we ended
>>up getting married in India to bypass the German bureaucratic nightmare 
>>(which is rather humorous, considering India's bureaucrazy).
>
>That's exactly the point. If it turned out that your wife were in fact
>doubly married, the civil officer who performed the marriage in Germany
>would be toasted by his superiors, unless there are documents which show
>that he took all reasonable precautions.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^

What do you consider a reasonable precaution ? Why not play it perfectly
safe and design measures that make it impossible to marry ? The answer lies
with the job definition: they are civil servants, nothing more, nothing less.
If they are more concerned with saving their neck than serving the public
(me getting married in this case), they are not doing their job. In my case,
a resonable request would have been asking my wife for an oath that she
wasn't married.  

>--
>Heute hack ich, morgen crack ich, uebermorgen hol ich mir dem SysOp sein Login.
>Ach wie gut dass niemand weiss, dass ich oli@math.rwth-aachen.de heiss.

Stefan
From: MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 10:22:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Ich moechte mich an dieser Stelle bei baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern
Baier) und allen anderen bedanken, die ueber die Rostocker Krawalle, die
Reaktionen der Politiker und die Berichterstattung in den deutschen Medien
gepostet haben.

Es ist hier in Amiland enorm schwer Nachrichten mit Informationsgehalt zu
bekommen. Auch wenn ich eine Glotze haette, wuerde ich bestenfalls
inhaltloses Geplapper bereitet bekommen. Und bis mein abonnierter Spiegel
ankommt, ist sowieso alles laengst vorbei.

__________________________________________________________________________
Stephan Somogyi            puzzle-piece together-putter            MacUser
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.)
Subject: voltage adapter 220 V ---> 110 V ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  voltage adapter
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:29:00 GMT

Hi !

First of all, apologies if this happens to be a FAQ, but I (+ family) might be
moving to Germany (if the job comes through) in a few months and we were 
wondering how much voltage adapters would cost that would allow us to use at 
least some of our appliances there.  I am not too worried about the frequency 
as we'd only take stuff that could operate on either 50 or 60 Hz. 
Also, I seem to recall a discussion about VCR's that could 'read' NTSC tapes 
and play them on a PAL TV.  Does anyone have any more info on this ?
Lastly, does anyone know how easy it is (esp. when one doesn't have access to
university/big industrial computer systems) to 'do' e-mail in Germany ? I know
that CompuServe operates in Germany, but are there other networks ?

Any advice would be appreciated

Cheers

Chris W
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: FUSSBALL-BUNDESLIGA                                                             
From: SILENT@BEIZ.mediatex.ch (041230086: ff. VTx-Station, FD Luzern)
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:26:26 CET
Organization: MEDIAtex AG, CH-8807 Freienbach/SZ

Nun sind schon wieder 5 Runden in der
Bundesliga gespielt und es tut sich ei-
niges schon.
Zur Freude von mir fhren auch endlich
die Bayern aus Mnchen wieder.
Suche auf diesem Wege Kontakte zu Bundes
ligafans,bes.natrlich Bayern Mnchen
Fans.

Mit Gruss
         Beat aus der Schweiz






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From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: SpicMacay:L. Subramaniam(violin):LEC-DEM:Sep23:FREE
Date: 2 Sep 1992 09:29:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

			      Violin Virtuoso


                             Dr. L. SUBRAMANIAM


				accompanied
			    on the MRIDANGAM by
				  GANESH

                        Wednesday Sept. 23, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
   		     Crystal Cove Auditorium, Student Center
			   University of California
				   Irvine


		**ALSO AT:
		 US International Univ., SAN DIEGO. Sept. 24th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
		**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:

                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 745-2917 (Kartik)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: narayan@ics.uci.edu (sanjiv)
			   anantk@usc.edu (anant)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. 
Dr. Subramaniam will present the Violin as a Carnatic music instrument
and explain the subtleties of Indian music.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------

 405 south or 5 South
 exit Jamboree go right
 left at campus
 right at bridge (2nd light)
 left at Pereira (1st light) 
 enter parking garage on the left.
 Crystal Cove is in the Student Center opp from the garage,

 PARKING: $ 2 per car.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:57:05 GMT

In <24AUG199216380614@maximillion.mcc.com> ilotemp@maximillion.mcc.com (ILO Temp) writes:

>Just a little reality check here Roger...apparantly you haven't 
>had a great deal of experience with European women lately, or 
>women at all for that matter.  I just returned from a two year 
>stay in Germany with frequent visits to adjacent countries, and I 
>am happy to announce that european women are shaving both PITS 
>and LEGS.  There are exceptions, but then go to a Greatful Dead 
>show and you'll find that in your own little pristine US of A 
>women are not always using the blade.

Since it has been brought up. What is the point in shaving
armpits and legs anyways (certanly not hygienic)? Wouldn't
you sweat more if you shave the pits?

Where are the cultural roots in making women remove their
body hair while men walk around growing hair all over
themselves?

I DID get the impression that in the US (and Great Britain)
it is almost impossible for a woman not to shave her legs,
while I haven't seen it that often here in Germany.

Michael
--
Michael Elbel 			|  No, I haven't lost my brain!
PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany	|  I just forgot it in the
   me@dude.pcs.com 		|  rush this morning.
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

U.>>     In dem Zusammenhang muss uebrigens konstatiert werden, dass die
U.>>Ossis dem Rattenfaenger Kohl (``keinem wird es schlechter gehen'')
U.>>noch mehr hinterhergelaufen sind als die Wessis. Die Bereitschaft,
U.>>sich Illusionen ueber die eigene Lage zu machen, ist immer noch viel
U.>>zu gross. Wieder ein Punkt, warum Bildungsarbeiten notwendig sind: Der
U.>>Umgang mit der `real existierenden Demokratie' muss gelernt werden.

U.>Ich bin relativ skeptisch bei Deiner Ueberzeugung durch Aufklaerung, Be-
U.>wusstseinsaenderungen zu erreichen. Gerade weil die DDR-Buerger jahrelang
U.>massiv ideologisch bearbeitet wurden. Ich als FDJ-Gruppenagitator war daran
U.>auch beteiligt. Den Leuten war von den Leuten, die DDR zu Grunde gewirtschaf
U.>haben, erzaehlt worden, der Kaptialismus ist schlecht, da gibt es Arbeits-
U.>lose. Sie wollten einfach an das versprochene Heil glauben und die
U.>SED-Leute waren sowieso nur Luegner. Die Menschen muessen die Erfahrungen
U.>selber machen, da sie jeder Belehrung zutiefst misstrauen.

Genau darum geht es bei der Aufklaerung: Menschen dazu anleiten,
KRITISCH alles zu hinterfragen, wozu sie angeleitet werden...
Ich weiss, das klingt wie ein Paradoxon, aber eine solche Bildung ist
moeglich. Durch die "Gnade der Gewinnerseite der Mauer" habe ich eine
solche genossen. Mit vollem Erfolg, moechte ich sagen.
Es geht bei der "Aufklaerung" NICHT um Belehrung und NICHT um Ideologie
irgendeiner Art!!!

U.>Ausserdem erschien vielen die Wende, der D-Mark-Eintausch wie der Eintritt
U.>ins Paradies. Die Leute dachten, dass alle (alle!!) ihre persoenlichen
U.>Probleme nun verschwinden werden. Diejenigen, die vor der Euphorie warnten,
U.>waren Spiel- und Spassverderber. Ich aeusserte mal, das es verschiedene
U.>Wege gibt, die Lebensverhaeltnisse in Deutschland anzugleichen. Eine
U.>Moeglichkeit ist, den Lebensstandard in Westdeutschland auf DDR-Niveau abzu-
U.>senken. Ein Marsmensch haette verstaendnisvollere Blicke geerntet.

:-))

U.>Ciao, Uli

Greetinx, Carl.

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