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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: DONT FLAME ME< FUTURE ANTIQUE?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:11:55 GMT

mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:

>Also what about the classic chances for the L6 and the 735i?  As you can tell

Not worth the trouble.  Look at the old BMW coupes from the late '60s - early
'70s (one of which I am a proud owner).  They command a pretty high value (up
to $30K for a REALLY pristine one) UNLESS it's an automatic.  The L6, if I re-
member right, was only available as an automatic, which pretty much destroys
its possible collector status.  On the other hand, if you don't mind the slush-
box, it will last forever.  I assume the 735i is an automatic as well.  On this
car it isn't as big a deal as on the sportier 6-series, but looking again at
the big BMW's of 15-25 years ago, there is almost no demand (hence no value)
for automatics.  But again, if you like the car well enough, it should hold up
sufficiently to justify keeping it.  Just don't expect to make a lot on resale
in 10 years.

Do check into BMW Car Club of America.  They have ads in the back of Road &
Track every month, and the amount of support available is truly amazing.

Good luck!
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From: lilley@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Shannon Lilley)
Subject: Re: 1969 Ford T-Bird
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.201032.10928@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <Bz9I4D.n3F@news.iastate.edu>, paisley@iastate.edu (Dr. Martin Paisley) writes:
>|> 	I am looking for a car to restore, in particular a 1969 Ford
>|> Thunderbird, like the one in Thelma & Louise.  Can anyone give me
>|> an idea of where to start, or perhaps how much I will have to pay
>|> to acquire one of these autos?  I am planning on restoring it myself
>|> 
>I don't think you mean 1969. I think the one in Thelma and Louise was 
>earlier than that by several years (and significantly different!). 
>Perhaps someone else has more specific info on this.
>
>Ciao
It was a 64-66.
From: (Rich Dionne)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: '73  Austin Marina
Followup-To: rec.autos.antique
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:57:28 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macb03.bucknell.edu

I know that my austin doesn't qualify as an official antique.  I personally
feel its as close as I'll ever get.  I have two questions.  First, does
anyone know where in New Hampshire/Massachusetts I can get parts for this
beaut?  If I get no response, I have to sell.  If there's anyone
interested, post for me, huh?
Condition:
				* new brakes and lines
				* perfect leather interior
				* needs gas tank
				* needs starter
				* has spare and jack
				* no dents, no body work necessary
				* has lots of character, and, more importantly, personality!
From: dellis@Auspex.COM (David Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: looking for 54 ford p/u owners
Keywords: trade or buy
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:34:39 GMT
Distribution: usa


I just recently bought a 54 ford p/u and I'm going to restore it back to
it's original state.
The body is almost perfect ( a couple of dings here and there ) but
nothing major.
I'm looking for the front spoiler? the thing that is under the grill
and bumper.
can any body help me locate this? and what is it called?
It has the original engine, a straight six .
does any body know what size this is?
the only thing I see that won't be original is the baby moon rims,
six volt system (converting to twelve volts ) and the tint on the
windows.

thanx in advance for all of your help.


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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: Open vs Closed cars
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:29:44 GMT

burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:

>Currently, convertibles are a premimum over sedans.  When did this
>(gradual) change take place?  I have a feeling it was post WWII, but
>I don't have real data to back that up.

Well, I can't say for sure when the change took place, but here's one pos-
sibility:  With older cars, the frame, separate from the body, made up the en-
tire structure.  As such, a roof served no purpose other than to keep out
weather.  On cars with separate frames, the presence of a roof actually added
to the construction cost, as it was not needed in the first place.

On unibody cars, which are really all that's made any more, the roof is a very
important piece of the structure.  Without it, the rest of the car will tend to
flex inordinately.  So on a unibody structure, the only way to make a conver-
tible is to buttress the frame in the sides, under the floor, etc.  This but-
tressing costs quite a bit.

However, the reason could also be that with greater demand for closed cars,
they are originally designed as closed cars, and the cost of making them con-
vertibles could simply be a reflection of retooling costs.

I have one example of a unibody car designed as a roadster and later sold
as either a roadster or a coupe.  Does anyone out there know the original sale
prices for MGB's as opposed to MGB/GT's for any given year?   It would show us
the difference.

$0.02
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From: Frank.Mallory@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Mallory)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: looking for an A-Title
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:06:33 -0500

 BC> My father actually had to get a title for a car that was sitting around 
 BC> for a
 BC> long time.  If I remember, you had the car checked to see if was 
 BC> stolen.  Well
 BC> you're on the right track.  That was the first step.  The next is to go 
 BC> to a JC
 BC> and verify that the car was not stolen.  He should then give you an 
 BC> address to
 BC> Harrisburg,(we not longer have it) and they will issue you a new title. 

Was the car originally titled in your father's name? It's a lot easier to get a
duplicate title than to have a car re-titled in a different name.



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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Avanti
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:34:22 GMT


In article <1992Dec16.112805.1@opie.bgsu.edu>, agretch@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
|> Hi, everyone!
|> Recently I saw a Studebekker's Avanti (sp?) which has a look of brand new car.
|> It was shiny and luxury car with very nice interior and four doors. Again I've
|> got impression that that car was constructed very very recently. I read that
|> when Studebekker's last plant in Canada was closed there was a dealership in
|> South Band, IN which kept producing Avanti for a while. My confusion is where
|> that car came from. It did not look like rebuild or anything. It was brand new!
|> Thanks in advance
|> Alexei

I think (meaning I'm not sure) that the Avanti is still being produced
in South Bend. If what you saw said "Studebaker" on it, it's possible
that it is a mint condition (or meticulously restored) original from
the old days.

- BK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,alt.autos.antique
From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:16:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.135640.19680@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> dougf@coos.dartmouth.edu (Doug Fraser) writes:
>In article <hhelanto.724652611@vipunen.hut.fi> hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto) writes:
>>In <1992Dec16.192410.15986@MorningStar.Com> dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell) writes:
>>
>>>I've always wondered about what they use in a movie when a really nice
>>>classic car gets destroyed.  Tom mentions a duplicate - is this a
>>>mock-up that just looks like the real thing?  Do they ever really
>>>destroy a classic just to make sure that the movie seems authentic?
>>
>>	I don't think they wreck up _very_ expensive or rare cars but
>>	replicas nowadays... (Shelby Cobra, Lamborghini Countach,
>>	Ferraris etc.)
>>
>
>How about 'Basic Instinct'??
>
>That's a real Esprit sitting on it's roof.  :~-(
>
>(Best car chase scenes I've ever seen, though....)
>
>...and how many saw 'Harold and Maude'?  Was that the actual E-Type/hearse 
>going off the cliff?

	A friend in L.A. tells me that they went through at least
5 Ferraris (308, I think) in the making of the opening car chase
sequence in "The Hidden", also one of the best car chase scenes
I've seen...

--Ken
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From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: FORD FALCONS
Organization: Boeing
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:07:52 GMT

BRIAN CHESTER WISNESKI writes:

>My family currently owns two '64 Falcons.  One is a show car, and one is
>worked over a little.  I was wondering if anyone knows of a '64 or '65
>Convertible for sale, and in condition to be restored.  It must also be a V8.
>Also if any falcons for parts or just single parts please post them too.
>Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you,

I've been living in Seattle, WA for almost four years . . . I'm originally
from Portland, OR . . . I'm telling you this because my information may be
outdated . . . but here goes . . .

In Portland there is a place called _Northwest Classic Falcon_ . . . They
specialize only in Ford Falcons . . . As I recall, they will mail order parts,	search for cars, etc . . . They even have the dubious distinction of selling
Jimmy Buffet his Falcon convertible (I've seen the pictures of him, with them
and the car). I dont have their address or phone number . . . But, information
for area code 503 (Oregon) would be able to get that for you easy enough.

Good luck!

Robyn
From: bcw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN CHESTER WISNESKI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: RE: looking for an A-Title
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:49:11 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

My father actually had to get a title for a car that was sitting around for a
long time.  If I remember, you had the car checked to see if was stolen.  Well
you're on the right track.  That was the first step.  The next is to go to a JC
and verify that the car was not stolen.  He should then give you an address to
Harrisburg,(we not longer have it) and they will issue you a new title.  As
long as you can prove that the car was not stolen, then they will give you no
trouble except for the time to process it.  If I remember you were for PA if
not I'm sorry, but the steps should be the same.  I you have trouble finding a
JC the state police should do the same.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: small block heads
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:50:05 GMT

Michael A Kreiberg (kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu) wrote:
: Hi there,
: 
: I'm looking for a pair of small block chevy fuelie heads.
: Either 1.94x1.5 or 2.02x1.6 the 461 or 462 casting with the 64cc  
: combustion chambers.
: 
: 	Thanks
Mike I think your really looking for something that today is a
rarity.  GM did not make loads of these heads and what they did 
make was quickly scarfed up by the speed enthusiasts like your
truly in the later 60's and early 70's.

If what your looking for is restoration of a Corvette or simular
car remember if the serial numbers don't match the engine design
you would be decreasing the value of the vehicle rather than 
increasing its value.

On the other hand if your looking for power and don't care about
the originality let me suggest aftermarker heads.  Both Dart II
and Bardex heads for starters are in production today and readily
available for around $1,000.00 new.  Either of these heads will
give you much better performance than the original fuel injection
heads, plus they are engineered to alow you to use UNLEADED
GASOLINE.

If your resoring an original fuel enjected or high performance
327 than is all I can do is wish you good luck on tring to locate
a good set of these heads.

Dennis
	A GM man for 27 years nor stuck with a Ford on the
	street, but still GM on the track.


The usual disclaimer of self
 and employer applies to all
 above comments.
#
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From: georgerj@rtsg.mot.com (Richard J. George)
Subject: Re: Marcos??
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:27:10 GMT

adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.185650.15476@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger) writes:
>"
>"Dear Netters (and old/vintage/collectable car nuts)..
>"
>"Does anyone remember the english car the "Marcos" from about
>"the late '60s, early '70s?

>i sure do -- i can even remember it appearing in a few british shows
>of that period.

>if you want more data on this or any other obscure car, check out the
>larger libraries in your area for 'world cars' published annually
>[until recently] by the italian automobile club.  tech blurb is short
>but dense.

Don't bury them yet!  Marcos are still in production, and selling well.  
They have a line up of (I think) three cars, one with the Rover 3.5 litre
V8 - the one you Yanks tossed because you didn't like anything that was
not iron!

If you want to know more I'll see if I can dig up some more info, such
as address, exact model range, etc.

As for the bloke who had the Marina, you Americans will collect anything!
Those cars are the junk of the British car market of the 70's.  Almost
any wreckers will have 5 or 6 of them in stock.  If you are really in need
of any parts drop me a line and I will get prices for you.

Regards, Richard.

PS "english" has a capital!

>-- 
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From: rap@nnsgs50.tcom.stc.co.uk (Richard Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Marcos info
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:55:25 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com

As promised, some more info on Marcos:

Factory:   Marcos Sales Limited,              Tel. +44 373 864097
           West Wilts Trading Estate,         Fax. +44 373 858052
           Westbury, Wiltshire.
           BA13 4JN
           United Kingdom

Club Marcos International:
           Dave and Isobel Chivers,            Tel. +44 249 713769
           8 Ludmead Road,
           Corsham,
           Wiltshire.
           SN13 9AS
           United Kingdom

CMI US Representative:
           Stuart Chapman,
           11642 Robinwood Blvd.,
           Warren, Michigan 48093
           USA

Mini Marcos Owners Club:
           Roger Garland                       Tel. +44 905 58533
           28 Meadow Road,
           Claines,
           Worcester.
           WR3 7PP
           United Kingdom

Marcos Owners Club:
           Colin Feyerabend
           Sorry, I left this one at home, but email me if you need it.


Richard Porter
rap@lon40.nt.com
BNR Europe Limited, Oakleigh Road South, New Southgate, LONDON N11 1HB, UK
From: gunter@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Gunter Ahrendt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Marcos??
Date: 19 Dec 1992 09:46:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger) writes:


>Dear Netters (and old/vintage/collectable car nuts)..

>Does anyone remember the english car the "Marcos" from about
>the late '60s, early '70s?

>Any info anyone has on them would be appreciated.. especially if you
>happen to know of any for sale at a reasonable price. I don't think
>they'll rate as one of the great collectables.. but it would be fun
>to satisfy a youthful lust (isn't this what the group is REALLY about?)!

Well, they are still around:

Marcos Sales Limited
153 West Wilts Trading Estate
Westbury, Wiltshire BA13 4JN
England

They currently make the 'Mantula', which sure looks like the car you describe:

4 Headlights
Sleek TVR form
puchasable as Kit or completed
Rover 3.9 V8 or Ford 2.0
182hp@4,750rpm 308Nm 1:8.1 5 speed 195/60R14V Front Discs 4.153*1.588*1.08m
898kg empty 0-100kmph 5.4sec 224kmphtop 48l tank
Spyder Convertible or Coupe Version
60,000.oo          or 58,000.oo Deutch Marks
From: allen@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Cheryl Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: 67  mustang swap
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:17:03 GMT
Reply-To: allen@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Cheryl Allen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD











Hey Michael Myjak

I tried to email you but it bounced

if this will work??????? I don't know  sure you live in florida and
I am,allthe way up in maryland how can we do this?? UPS the parts
right now the car in under a cover at my parents house with the battery
out of it waiting for me to have something done to it.... I would really
like to have a automatic i should of bought a automatic but i had\a
hard time finding one in good shape then i say this car in really great
shape but in was a stick but i bought it any way
t


should we send pictures of the car to each other so we can see what
we got>>>


talk to ya later

cheryl;l
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From: mmw@cs.brown.edu (Matthias Wloka)
Subject: For Sale: Original 68 Mustang Tires
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:29:34 GMT


I have a set of original 1968 Ford Mustang tires for sale.  They have 
supposedly less than 500 miles on them; I got them as an extra when I
bought my car.  I am told they are most useful for show cars, as they 
require all original parts. They are not considered safe for everyday
driving by today's standards. 

Make me an offer.
Matthias
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From: bevan@cco.caltech.edu (Bevan C Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: 1960 Falcon
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:19:53 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Hi, I am the proud owner of a 1960 Ford Falcon in good (not great)
condition.

It has the Fordomatic transmission, 144 L6, and the upholstry is about to
decay into dust.

What I want to know is advice on rebuilding/refurbishing/improving/restoring
the car.  The engine works well, but is well worn. I was wondering whether it
would be worthwhile to replace the engine/tranny and if I were to do such, 
what combination of engine/tranny I should consider. There are a few arguments
for keeping it stock and restoring it, but the car will never be a show car and
I don't want it as such. I know the later models used the v8 and 4speed manual
and am considering 'upgrading' if that is possible. Being a college student I
don't have the cash to do this right now, but I'm planning ahead and have been
doing minor work on her while I think.
What do you people think and is an upgrade possible and neccessarily a useful
modification?

Bevan C Bennett
bevan@cco.caltech.edu

PS: I'm about to take a short vacation far away from net-access, so replies
may be delayed by two weeks or so...
Newsgroups: alt.autos.aantique,rec.autos.antique
From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Delaney Palmer)
Subject: Corvair for sale
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: dc
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:17:54 GMT


From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Delauey Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.auto.antique
Subject: Corvair for sale
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: dc
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Keywords: 

	I have a '64 Monza Coupe forsale.  Engine is in good shape,
but the body needs work(what's new?) I have many spare parts with this car
that are included.  I love this car, but I do not have the experience, time,
or money to restore my old friend.  I can't stand to see it deteriorate
any more.  I'm in school and can't afford body work.  Any reasonalble
offer will be accepted.

Thanks  Porta@wam.umd.edu(no sig)



-- 
***************************** porta@wam.umd.edu ****************************

                     Still looking for an interesting quote. 
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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: To Richard Porter
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:08:55 EST

My attempt to reply to your message bounced when
it tried to mail through my system directly to you.
I couldn't tell from your message where you live.
A friend who I have not spoken to in some time is
the latest in a series of owners who I have known
who has a MiniMarcos that was raced as D/Sports
Racer with the Sports Car Club of America in the
mid 1970s. The car had to use an 850 engine to
conform to class specs. and usually got outrun
by the lighter weight homebuilts, but the Marcos
reliability assured some long-term success, and
they ALWAYS prayed for rain at the races. Last I
knew the car was on Florida's west coast still
awaiting restoration. Your message and affiliation
has encouraged me to try re-establish the current
status of this car.
 
Greg Rickes
 
 
 
 
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