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From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:03:23 GMT
Reply-To: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.

In article <1992Aug25.003257.3727@desire.wright.edu>,
demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.001643.25588@meteor.wisc.edu>,
stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt) writes:
|> > In article<1992Aug24.205657.1534@tss.com>mathon@tss.com (John D.
Mathon) writes:
|> >>From: ss9o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Sorensen)
|> >>>Also, isn't it true that the US experienced its greatest economic growth
|> >>>when the highest marginal tax rates were up around 70% ? 
|> >>
|> >>No, the highest growth rates were achieved in the middle 80's and
|> >>corresponded with the lowest marginal tax rates and the lowest
|> >>growth rates besides recently in the last 2 years were in the 70's
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>under high tax rates.  Sorry, but, the data shows exactly the 
|> >>opposite of your presumption.  What does this tell you?
|> >
  
It tells me you're ignoring the data, which indicates that growth rates
and marginal tax rates are possibly unrelated.  Can you explain why you
just pooh-poohed the two data points which contradict your "interpretation"
of the data?  Another interpretation might be that lowering marginal rates,
i.e. a short term tax "sale", has the same effect as any sale, it increases
activity in the short time frame surrounding the event but can't really
do anything to increase real demand.  Over the long haul, the temporary
"high" goes away and sure enough there's old man business cycle right
where he always was -- the miracle rate didn't prevent the economy from
recessing.

Therefore, the metrics by which the system expresses itself -- growth,
etc -- are simply experiencing random perturbations which politicians and
followers attempt to manipulate vainly trying to get credit and give blame.

There's a known psychological effect whereby a caged animal, a pigeon,
will condition itself to perform an action associated with a reward given
to it randomly.  Eventually the animal comes to believe that the action it
was performing on or near the time of the reward was in fact the cause of
the reward.  Maybe its just time to prohibit politicians from fucking
around with the rules to trick themselves and their sycophants into
thinking that they've made a substantive change to the underlying system
when they have
not.

Paul Collacchi
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
From: <PMSCHULL@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 07:44:35 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

that referencce to an unfortunately "respected" -in some circles-- source.
   What M U S T  always be addressed in political analysis is: toward what
telos or end is all of this functioning.  FASCISM  always everywhere (from
1922 Italy, 1923 Bulgaria ,  1933 Germany, etc)  has intense AUSTERITY as
its directing goal.
    In Germany it was the trusted-by-the-workers Sociakl Democratic Party which
inaugurated the austerity in the 1920s and did not fight the National
Sociualist German Workers' Party --NAZI--until too late.
    Now the defining thing about LaRouche--the ABSOLUITELY SALIENT thing--
is that he is against austerity and for economic and intellectual growth.
    A little SERIOUS thought then makes the La-Rouche-is-a Nazi nonsense from
spaced-out and intelligence community controlled former scribbler for HIGH TIME
Chip Berlet look like the raving propagandidt he is.
   If you support the marijuana/cocaine/crack culture and its advocates,
then you'll probably go with Berlet.
    If you think Mussolini was not a Fascist, not a Totalitarian then you'll
probably hold that LaRouche IS.
   One think is for sure: LaRouche and Mussolini (whom the Liberals just loved
in the 1920s and 1930s)  are direct enemies.
 
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,alt.politics.elections
From: sean@cae.wisc.edu (Sean Rutledge)
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:18:00 CDT

In article <9209011956.AA00623@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>
>"Prior to the Gulf crisis, the U.S. imported 290 million barrels of 
>oil a year from Iraq and Kuwait. Raising auto-efficiency standards by 
>a measly 2.75 mpg, says the Silocon Valley Toxics Coalition, could save 
>the U.S. the same 290 million barrels...." 
>
It was the oil in Saudi Arabia that was of particular importance.  
What was to have stopped Saddam after taking Kuwait, World
Opinion???  


sean rutledge                              murphy was an optimist!!!
sean@cae.wisc.edu

Xref: sparky alt.activism:15831 talk.politics.misc:43270 soc.culture.latin-america:3259
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Clinton on Cuba
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:57:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Clinton on Cuba

Yesterday Gov. Clinton visited the area devasted by Andrew in South Florida.  
In a very low profile press conference he supported Pres. Bush's intention to 
rebuild the Homestead AFB.  Contrary to some democrats in Congress who think 
the base should be closed (as many other in the States), both Bush and Clinton 
want to rebuild.  When asked for readons each one gave their own:

BUSH: 

To fight the war on drugs for which the base is of use for the DEA.

CLINTON:

a) to fight the war on drugs for which the base is of use for the DEA.
b) "it's the closest U.S. base to Cuba"

What he meant by this statement is for us to Speculate.  But it seems Mr. 
Clinton has some plans in store for Mr. Castro, since he wants to use the Air 
Base on account of its proximity to Cuba.  Another good reason to vote 
Democratic and put a progressive president in the White Hose.

VOTE VOTE VOTE

heh heh heh

Edelmiro Salas

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric)
Subject: FREE BOSNIA Chicago demonstration
Organization: Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:07:17 GMT

A rally will be held in downtown Chicago at 3 p.m.
 Friday, August 28, protesting U.S. and U.N. inaction in
the war of aggression being waged against the
people of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia.

It is sponsored by the Muslim Student Association
of Chicago.

Another massive demonstration is planned at
the Daley Center in downtown Chicago the afternoon
of  Saturday, Sept. 19, sponsored by a wider coalition of
peace, religious, and ethnic groups supporting
the lifting of the arms embargo against Bosnia-
Herzegovina and Croatia and calling for a 
reversal of U.S. and U.N. policy of punishing
both aggressor and victim with this boycott.
Sponsors of the demonstration support the 
right of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia to
defend themselves against their aggressor, as
well as limited military action to end heavy
artillery strikes against the two former
Yugoslav republics and to open the death
camps and release prisoners.

I will provide more information on the
Sept. 19 demonstration as it becomes available.


Xref: sparky alt.activism:15828 talk.politics.misc:43267 soc.culture.latin-america:3258
From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Who Were the "Contras" ? (IV)
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:22:04 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

Who Were the "Contras" ? (IV)

"There can be no doubt, on the basis of what we head and saw, that a
PLANNED STRATEGY OF TERRORISM is being carried out by the contras
along the Honduras border"

        --Chairmen of Americas Watch and Helsinki Watch, after a
        personal visit to study the "great divergence between President
        Reagan's rhetoric and the conclusions of the [Americas Watch]
        report" on contra atrocities. Orville Schell and Robert
        Bernstein, Wall St. Journal, April 23, 1985.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:24:31 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <1992Aug25.151711.11213@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
> In article <1992Aug22.042821.23309@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug22.013907.9370@tss.com> mathon@tss.com (John D. Mathon) writes:
>>>By what measure do you mean healthier?  The American is still the richest,
>>>most productive worker in the world BY A WIDE MARGIN.
> 
>>	But then why have we lost major industries to the Japanese and
>>Europeans?
> 
> Why not?  What does it matter if we lose and industry here and there?
> If we had rampant unemployment I might be a bit more worried.

  Actually, what may be rampant unemployment for one person may NOT be
rampant for another. Actually, it depends on whether you've got
a job or not.  :)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Xref: sparky alt.activism:15725 talk.politics.misc:42944
From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:07:55 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <92243.163225SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>Various brouhaha about who claims what deleted...

>>Bush makes invalid claim about Clinton raising taxes 128 times...
>>Clinton responds that by same criteria, Bush did it 327 times...
>>Third party says real score is Clinton 59, Bush 78...

>>Now here's the clincher.  The way I see it, Clinton was not lying because
>>he had already stated the criteria was bogus and was merely showing that
>>if you apply the same Bu1!$h|+ to Bush, he's even worse...

>Excuse me, but don't you think 327 vs. 78 is significant?

No,  I  don't  think 327 vs. 78 is significant, simply because we
know nothing about the magnitude of the raises, nor the kinds of
taxes involved (which is necessary if we're going to talk about
the effects on the economy).  For that matter, I happen to think
that the uses of the tax money is important; but that's far too
complicated to deal with in a net.thread, apparently.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:13:07 GMT

adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:

>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?

Huh?  Jesus Christ lived in the area of Palestine.  Do you consider him to
be white or do you consider him to be Middle Eastern?  

But seriously, having been accused of being PC (because I *am* against
sexism, heterosexism, racism and various other isms) I will state this:
it's not that Socrates, Plato, Freud or Jesus Christ are irrelevant.
Heck, I even have my bachelor's degree in Latin and have 18 graduate hours
completed in classics.  You can bet I've read my share of dead white males:
Vergil, Cicero, Caesar, Aristophanes, Plato, Lucretius, Xenephon.  All in 
the original languages of Latin and Greek no less.

But I also think that others, who are not dead, not white, not European,
and not male, have a lot of value to say about the human condition as well.

And we can't ignore those writers and artists and scholars anymore than we
can ignore the great classic writers.  

But since more than one thing is being discussed here, I'll also address
the topic of hate speech.  

I think that bigots should be allowed to say whatever they want, even if it
is the most horrible, awful racist, sexist, homophobic spew of putrid garbage.

I figure we should let bigots let it all hang out: that way we know who our
enemies are.  As long as the neo-nazis are given the freedom to rant and rave,
we know /who/ they are.  

We might not like it, but I prefer to let bigots hang themselves.  I still
believe that most people are decent and kind and able to sort things out for
themselves.

--
Sharon O'Neil
oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu


Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:14:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.194108.25245@nuchat.sccsi.com>
lcypher@nuchat.sccsi.com (Louis Cypher) writes:

>
>In article <1992Aug31.100930.2035@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) write:
>>In article <1992Aug30.233852.3614@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.ed writes:
>>
>>>As long as the phrase contains "by the criteria the Bush people use",
>>>the claim of 327 is truthful.
>>
>>No it is not. According to the Congressional Research Service the
>>number for Bush (using the same criteria) is 78, not the 327
>>claimed by Clinton.
>>    Allen
>
>Then where did Bush get the number 128?

     He probably pulled it out of thin air.

>they said by the same criteria that
>Clinton raised taxes 59 times to bush's 78...Let's think here..Bush said 128,
>but it was actually 59....Clinton said by Bush's criteria(assuming he means
>the criteria that allowed him to come up with the number 128), that Bush had
>raised taxes 327 times....
>
>*SO*, the truth is that bush raised taxes *MORE* in 4 years, then clinton did
>in *12*....

     Aren't we sort of ignoring those little government branches that I hear
somebody vested legislative power in?

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Xref: sparky alt.activism:15571 soc.culture.african:4407 soc.rights.human:3219 talk.politics.misc:42436
From: rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:59:42 GMT

In article <adams.715381348@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>
>Define 'white'.  Hmm.  I could have sworn that Semites are Caucasoid.
>
>And, given the current usage, since we've seemed to have dropped 'Negro'
>and 'Caucasoid' for 'Black' and 'White', I didn't make a mistake.
>
>Fool.  Go study a bit before you make assumptions that are dead wrong.
>
> -Steve

  I have studied a little bit, and my understanding is that people from
the southern most part of India (Tamils etc.) are also Caucasoids.  Does
that mean they are 'white', honourary or otherwise?
-- 
Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
Engineering Science 9T3                <rairan@eecg.toronto.edu>
University of Toronto
From: bwise@hemlock.mitre.org (Barry Wise)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:58:32 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Aug26.040745.3040@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF  
THE YEAR) writes:
> This isn't meant as a flame, but I seem to remember that after everyone
> one these "boom" periods there was a severe recession. 
> Does anyone have a theory on this?

An engineer would call it overshoot.  In a "boom" you have alot of demand  
chasing too little supply.  Everyone gears up to get in on the action,but   
because of the incomplete knowledge of what everyone else is doing, an  
oversupply condition is created. The excess demand  is satisfied, leaving  
excess capacity and a depression. Speculation, I think, causes the wild swings.  
When everything is rosy everyone thinks it will stay that way and lives high on  
the hog. When everything is gloomy they think that will stay that way and will  
not take any risks leading to no investments and expansion thereby being a self  
fulfilling prophecy.

--
Barry Wise
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15858 talk.politics.misc:43395
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:37:52 EST
 <1992Sep1.084241.3837@desire.wright.edu> <1992Sep1.184655.26466@adobe.com>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep1.184655.26466@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.084241.3837@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>> Was there any NEED to rush in instead of either attempting
>>> negotiations or at least using tear gas? 
>>
>>	Yes.  There were potential hostages.
> 
> No. This is not true. The residents were evacuated when she broke a
> window to get in and set off a silent alarm. 

	The initial reports I read placed them inside.

> There was NO need for the
> cops to go rushing in. Tactically it was very stupid to go in and let
> her control the situation instead of slowly pumping tear gas into the
> house to force her outside, where the cops can have control of the
> situation. (cops could set a trap, use nets, less confined so
> their advantage of numbers could be utilized, etc)

	I don't think they went rushing in.  From everything I've heard, it was
a room to room search.  Besides tear gas canisters would be destructive to the
house.  In every intruder situation I've seen, the cops go inside.  What if
it's only an animal?  Lost kid?  Drunk college student?

> The cops didn't even go in pairs to watch each other's back.

	I don't think they expected to find someone looking for a
confrontation, but a thief/vandal.

>>> 	In most situations involving a "cornered" suspect, the cops are
>>> willing to take the time to "talk" them out. Why the rush to charge in this
>>> time? Even more important, why is a man who was fired from one force for
>>> repeated use of excessive force working for another one rather than
>>> permanently barred from law enforcement employment?
>>
>>	Why did she attack them?  Why should then not defend themselves?
> 
> Maybe they should retreat instead of killing.

	It's not their job to protect the lives of criminals.  Really, that's
the way it is.  You perform a criminal act of violence you shouldn't expect to
get coddled.
	Would I give an attacker the benefit of the doubt?  No.  I'm not
willing to risk my own life (or the life of my family) for that.  If she wanted
to talk reasonably, she wouldn't be carrying a machete.

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 17:53 EDT  

In article <adams.715381348@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes...
>mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Blue Rage) writes:
> 
>>In article <adams.715369517@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>>
>>>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>>>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
>>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>>	Uh, no.  Not white.  But dead.
> 
>>	Y'oughta reconsider the little pictures they show you in your
>>white oriented Sunday school books, no?
> 
>Define 'white'.  Hmm.  I could have sworn that Semites are Caucasoid.
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Semite DOES NOT mean caucasoid.  Look at the word "semi"te. Semi means half, 
would you agree.  Semite is referring to how the Jews were half white.  Look at
Exodus.  Here we have all these Hebrews leaving Africa (that's right Egypt is
in Africa) but where were they going?!  No one seems to know.  Well, they were
headed northward to Europe.  Thru intermarriage the Hebrews became know as
semites to distiguish (i.e. prejudice) them from other whites.  THAT'S RIGHT,
FOLKS! The original Jews were African, and thru hundreds of years of inter-
marriage with the Europeans they became "white", but people like Hitler never
forgot that the Jews were of African descent which is why he wanted to destroy
them.

This does not mean that I (or anyone else) dont consider the Jews of today to be
white.  To me, their just as white as any white person (and I'm sure they'll
agree).  For the record, I'm not a fascist, racist, or Black nationalist. I only
believe in TRUTH as hard as it may be to find in this day and age!

> 
>And, given the current usage, since we've seemed to have dropped 'Negro'
>and 'Caucasoid' for 'Black' and 'White', I didn't make a mistake.
> 
>Fool.  Go study a bit before you make assumptions that are dead wrong.
> 
>Speaking of which, Christ, as God, is not any color...he just happened to
>be a Jewish (ie white) carpenter in His incarnation.
              ^^^^^^^^
WRONG

Cass
gt9153a@prism.gatech.edu

P.S. I'm gonna be off the net for a few weeks so if you want to phlame me,
send mail to my school address (above) and I'll get back to ya.