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From: TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815))
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Subject: Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:24:00 GMT
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>When throwing away the last little bit of a bar of Ivory soap, don't
>try to flush it down the toilet.  It won't go.

Gosh, Natalie, frugal cheeseheads like me learned long ago to affix
the thin bit of soap to the new bar, thereby ultimately using up the
bar.  Why, by my reckoning, I've been using bits of the same bar of
soap continuously since 1988, because the molecules mingle so.

Steve Karlson

Waste not, want not.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:45:00 CDT
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Racist and sexist economics

Greetings,

The Wall Street Journal piece is a commentary on "Guidelines for Recognizing
and Avoiding Racist and Sexist Biases in Economics," issued by an ad
hoc committee of economists.  I have yet to see the guidelines.
Sometimes working at a department not recognised as among the avant-
garde of the profession can be a blessing :-)

Steve Karlson

The cheesehead stands alone.
From: rogers@E5SB.OSDHW.SYR.GE.COM ((rogers ken x2718))
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Subject: Re: gas tax
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:40:36 GMT
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Doris,
   What state do you live in. $.99 for gas.
I'm from Upstate NY. The lowest gas is around
here is $1.29. I've seen leaded gas for $1.03
when I was in Nevada a couple months ago.
From: N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (gilbertsmith)
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> > I'm so happy you didn't already <have one>.... that would have
> > been a real bummer!  Enjoy.
>
> 	It shares the place of honor with Henry, my serial killer fish,
> in the livingroom.
>
> 	Have all the other perceptives received their <awards>?  Can
> we spill the beans yet on the wrapping?
>
> Rita
> Living a life made infinately more surreal by The Net.

Natalie has hers, and you have yours, but haven't heard from
rashmi or Theresa yet.  So no beans yet.
--ggs (still laughing from the experience of <handing out> the
awards...)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: How many "leading" economists??
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:45:55 GMT
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>> 	The voters task: figure out how many leading economists it
>> takes to add up to one nobel prize-winning economist.
>
Probably about the same number of economists it takes to change a lightbulb?
>
>Well, I don't know where "NIU space-cadet economist" fits on the
Probably somewhere out in the left field bleachers....at least those are the
seats he can afford.8-)
>call the plan "unfeasible" or "sound" depends on the assumptions you
>make about how people respond to the tax.  I'll have to check on who
>these economists are.  If the President is relying on the analysis of
>the new-classical economists whose advice he's been ignoring the past
>four years, it's ironic indeed.
Seconded - my kid sister, also an economics weenie, has been bitching about
this one for as long as Bush has been ignoring said economists.  Maybe we
should have sent him my sister.<grin>  

>:> When my ship comes in, I hope it's an icebreaker.
>>	That sounds *so*, well, un-Steve, when you've been working
>> with William Gibson's prose all day.
>
>I hope you're enjoying working with William Gibson's prose.  I'm
>just tired.
>
I take it you've been working with frosh prose - that's worse.  Gibson is
at least consistent in his usages.:-)  Take a dose of narrow guage video
and log back into your brain in the morning.  
>
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
From: R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Evelyn Duncan)
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Date: 10 Oct 92 15:23:08 GMT
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              10 Oct 1992 09:28:44 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

I'm ashamed of the actions of some of the Republicans on campus here
yesterday:  they acted like children, hooting and hollering at Hillary,
John Glenn, and Jennifer Grey.

Evelyn
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>>Posted on 16 Oct 1992 at 20:25:24 by Graham Toal
>>>>Heinlein used it a lot too.  (One of his thirty or forty stock phrases
>>>But it doesn't sound even vaguely familiar.:(
>>I'm with you, Karen.  I have read every book written by Heinlein (as far as
>>I know) and I can't recall ever having seen it before.

>I feel better, Betty...let's make Graham prove it by providing citations.:)

>Karen

Yeah, chapter and verse.
bz
From: rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
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Subject: Re: Presidential politics
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:22:31 GMT
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              at Oct 13, 92 12:06 pm

> I like it, too. What makes you think it's like Berkeley, though?  They
> don't 'feel' at all the same to me.  Though Boston 'feels' like San
> Francisco...

	Um, just the sheer number of people I know who seem to be able
to travel between the two cities without missing a beat.  I haven't
been to San Francisco myself yet.  I'm looking forward to finally getting
out there in March.

Rita
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Clinton and, well, you know
              13 Oct 1992 15:52:05 EDT from <GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:52:05 EDT <GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Those rumors are about as true as Elvis being a vampire. :)
>Evelyn
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Shucks, I thought that was why all the sightings happened at night!
>
>JAG

Frankly, I've thought that Roy Orbison or Johnny Cash were more the type:
dark clothes and sunglasses.

Evelyn ("I wear my sunglasses at night....")
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: First Pre-Goat-Roast Gathering
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Judith, are you by any chance changing planes in Pittsburgh?  I can't imagine a
Providence-Memphis nonstop.  If so, please let me know, so I can help you
figure out where the next gate is...

Don't let the fact that I haven't yet been to our brand-spanking-new airport
stand in your way.

neal
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I think I am guilty of that post about a year ago, either here or on my
deceased D-WORD, or both.  In any case, being practically diskless I did
not save it....

Don, nomail set for too long (still set :-( ...), who <may) go from just
barely PC'ing from Pasco Jungle with ancient equipment to other extreme
this weekend (486 DX 33, etc) .......maybe.   Will brag later,.....again
maybe.....

Meanwhile have a great weekend, and Neal CHEER UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmmmmmm  HP color jet printer?  nah....

PS to Natalie--- saw flatbed color scanner demo ...under $1,500

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:35:07 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Webster's online
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> >Rutgers have the OED; the websters is on moose.cs.indiana.edu
>
>      2) the addresss is almost certainly moose.ucs.indiana.edu

The address Graham gave worked fine.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lob's Profuse Apology (was WWHWIGTV ?)
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> >> Chris ;->
> >
> >WRONG.  That was an apology if I ever saw one, a Chris-tian one, STS,
> >sort of like I won't say I'm sorry but I'll be a good guy again.  So,
> >apology *accepted* whether you like it or not, and I think you are
> >--ggs (who *never* holds a grudge....)
>
> Hah!  Shows what you know.  It was an "I forgive you for your stupid game and
> for introducing a vehicle (not your Miata) to the list by which some people's
> feeling would be hurt but I understand you probably just didn't think of it
> that way and you'll *never* do it or anything like it again so I accept the
> apology you offered to the list a couple of days ago" message.
> Get your apologies <straight>.
> Chris

I think I finally understand.  I'll certainly *never* do it again,
that's for sure.
--ggs (who is excited because the <prizes> go out tomorrow)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:24:31 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Presidential politics
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Being wider awake now (having had two cups of coffee), I understand the
part of mka's message that I found confusing while ago.  I thought he was
referring to Perot as being among "the liars we know are lying."  I see
now that that was a reference to Clinton -- that mka is arguing in favor
of voting for the person "one merely suspects of fakery" rather than "the
proven fakes."  I still haven't see the proof of fakery, though.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:06:59 EST
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      So now that we are meeting each other....
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I noticed this week that after getting back from LA that I now
"hear" Karsten and Emily when they post on Words-L.  And, remembering
those old pre-clambake days, this is true of others.  Having met/talked
to them, I see/hear their posts.  Am I just being synesthetic, or do
others have this contrastive experience?

Karen
Please, please, *please* let me be normal!!!
From: CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
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Subject: Neruda, Belitt, Bly
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:41:00 GMT
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Greetings,

Funeral in the east (Neruda, translated by Bly)

I work at night, the city all around me,
fishermen, and potters, and corpses that are burned
with saffron and fruit, rolled in scarlet muslin:
those terrifying corpses go past under my balcony,
making their chains and copper flutes give off noise,
whistling sounds, harsh and pure and mournful,
among the brightness of the flowers heavy and poisoned,
and the cries of the dancers covered with ashes,
and the constantly rising monotony of the drum,
and the smoke from the logs scented and burning.

For once around the corner, near the muddy river,
their hearts, either stopping or starting off at a greater speed,
will roll over, burned, the leg and the foot turned to fire,
and the fluttering ashes will settled down on the water
and float like a branch of chalky flowers,
or like an extinct fire left by travelers with such great powers
they made something blaze up on the black waters, and bolted down
a food no longer found, and one finishing drink.


Burial in the east (Neruda, translated by Belitt)

I work nights, in the ring of the city,
among fishermen, potters, cadavers, cremations
of saffron and fruits shrouded into red muslin.
Under my balcony pass the terrible dead
sounding their coppery flutes and their chains,
strident and mournful and delicate--they hiss
throught the color of poisoned and ponderous flowers,
through the cries of the smoldering dancers,
the tom-tom's augmented monotony,
int he crackle and fume of the woodsmoke.

One turn in the road, by the ooze of the river,
and their hearts, clogging up or preparing some monstrous exertion,
will whirl away burning, their legs and their feet incandescent;
the tremulous ash will descend on the water
and float like a branching of carbonized flowers--
a bonfire put out by the might of some wayfarer
who lighted the black of the water and devoured some part
of a vanished subsistence, an ultimate liquor.


Entierro en el este (Neruda)

Yo trabajo de noche, rodeado de ciudad,
de pescadores, de alfareros, de difuntos quemados
con azafran y frutas, envueltos en muselina escarlata:
bajo mi balcon esos muertos terribles
pasan sonando cadenas y flautas de cobre,
estridentes y finas y lugubres silban
entre el color de las pesadas flores envenenadas
y el grito de los cenicientos danzarines
y el creciente monotono de los tamtam
y el humo de las maderas que arden y huelen.

Porque una vez doblado el camino, junto al turbio rio
sus corazones, detenidos o iniciando un mayor movimiento
rodaran quemados, con la pierna y el pie hechos fuego,
y la tremula ceniza caera sobre el agua,
flotara como extintot fuego dejado por tan poderosos viajeros
que hicieron arder algo sobre las negras aguas, y devoraron
un aliento desaparecido y un licor extremo.

Marty
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>Hey Graham you say:...
>I don't give a crap if you have a Phd. I have an MBA and alot
>more business sense. BOTTOM LINE GRAHAM: How much did you make last year?

Oh, please.  How much did you make last year???  Let's talk about what
matters.  How big is your penis?

Ken1
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*** Resending note of 10/07/92 11:23

> Rita, who always seemed, virtually, *sweet* as can be.

Yes ...Rita and I have shared some sweet moments :-)

> speaking in response to this *unsigned* post, did these grade
> school years include any episodes of <show-bottom>?

Ooohhh .... sorry about being unsigned ...keep forgetting resend function
does not automatically add my signature.  And the answer to your question
is no.

                 Peace,
                       Don
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      How many "leading" economists??

> 	Bush's ad claims that Clinton's tax plan has been declared
> unfeasible by 10 leading econmists.

> 	Clinton's ad claims that his tax plan has been declared good
> and sound by 10 nobel prize-winning economists.

> 	The voters task: figure out how many leading economists it
> takes to add up to one nobel prize-winning economist.

> 	Any hints, Steve? :)

Well, I don't know where "NIU space-cadet economist" fits on the
scale of leading, following, or getting out of the way.  Whether you
call the plan "unfeasible" or "sound" depends on the assumptions you
make about how people respond to the tax.  I'll have to check on who
these economists are.  If the President is relying on the analysis of
the new-classical economists whose advice he's been ignoring the past
four years, it's ironic indeed.

:> When my ship comes in, I hope it's an icebreaker.

>	That sounds *so*, well, un-Steve, when you've been working
> with William Gibson's prose all day.

I hope you're enjoying working with William Gibson's prose.  I'm
just tired.

Steve Karlson

The cheesehead stands alone
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:13:42 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: one down, 74 to go
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              12 Oct 1992 10:20:00 PST from <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Thanks, chris....and heidi....

after a year and almost two months, I feel exactly the same way....and
so does gail....best fourteen months of MY life....and I think hers, too...

dan

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From: WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS)
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Subject: Get your motor runnin'...
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:01:17 GMT
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Ruth hallucinates:
>                                               I can see you now, in leather
>and latex, with Steppenwolf blaring from the radio...
Technically, that's ABH in the latex shorts, with a leather halter, while
Your Truly sports the traditional greasy denims.  (Incidentally, ABH is driving,
   freeing YT to flap his arms and sing "If You Want To Be A Bird..."!  That is,
when her reckless style of driving doesn't force him to hang on for Dear Life,
and not to the sissy strap, either!)

John "How's THAT, Giggles?" W.
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>>Well, I'm sure my mother would certainly think so...as I think I have said
>>before, I was grown before I knew that nice people *could* be Republicans.
>>ndh
>They *can*???
>
>love, judith

Yea, verily. But they must have Democratic friends to show them the way.  Can
you imagine Bill S. if Jim T. wasn't his friend?

Chris
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: baseball stats
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>Tied for greatest number of consecutive hitless at bats with runners on
>base, in post season play.  (was 22....did Bonds make 23 or more?  I didn't
>notice)

>strange....and then of course the record could be (and probbly is)
>further qualified for day/nite, grass/artificialturf, lh/rh pitchers, etc...

And none of it means diddly-squat, since the samples are so tiny.  0 for
whatever, Barry Bonds is *still* the best hitter in baseball today.

BTW, Dan, Game 1 of last year's NLCS (the night before you and Gail cast your
spell upon the Bucco bats) was won convincingly by the Pirates.  In fact, the
score was identical to last night's.

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Greetings,

I first heard Robert Bly read in, oh, 1973 or so.  His is a powerful and
humane voice (both figuratively and literally).  His poems, translations,
prose poems, and critical essays are challenging and well-crafted.  Those
of us who are engaged by his work also find it often moving.  There is,
of course, no disputing taste.  I, for instance, don't care for either
Sylvian Plath or Ted Hughes.

Quite apart from Bly's abilities as a poet, his involvement in the so-called
"men's movement" has been misconstrued and distorted by some so-called
feminists who are either incapable of understanding or unwilling to listen
to Bly's ideas, which are spiritual in nature, and address some of the
issues of isolation and grief that affect everyone in our culture, male or
female.  There was an incredibly stupid attack on Bly by a so-called
feminist a couple of months ago in Z magazine.  It was totally outrageous
and misinformed, as is the notion that Bly's thoughts have anything to do
with penis size, foreskins, or male domination of women.

Bly is particularly concerned by the separation of the father/son and
mother/daughter in industrialized societies.  He observes that much of
the intergenerational nurturing that could (but of course did not always)
take place in earlier times does not now occur.  Sons seldom work
alongside their fathers; daughters seldom work alongside their mothers
(this latter is a change that has really taken place in our lifetimes).
Isolation ensues and hinders our ability to engage one another in
important ways.  These are real issues related to family values, and
they are not trivial.  Steve commented on Confucius a few weeks ago.  I've
read the analects in 4 different translations, and I've been reading them
off and on for almost 20 years.  Confucius notes that the building
block of the entire social structure is the right relation among
members of the family unit.  He says, "If a man has not order within
him, he cannot spread order about him (for Natalie's benefit, when he
says man, he means person)," and that order is largely tied up with
having a deep understanding of how we link to one another, an
understanding that is damaged by some circumstances of modern society.

Marty