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From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Lharc Vax-Vms Source Code
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:29:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

B Griggs, <BG09110@SWTEXAS.BITNET>, writes:

>My question is does anyone know who the author of the VAX patform Lharc
>is and if so, could you send me his name/address, etc.  I would also really
>like the source... I could then update the program to decompress the latest
>compression schemes (and would release this exe on the nets for everyone).
>Of course, if the author is actively supporting this VAX/VMS port then I won't
>have to do this....

You've searched and searched for source for VMS, and can't find anything new.
So you're asking someone to send it to you so you can update it with the
latest and greated compression schemes.  Then you're going to just distribute
the .EXEs.  So the next person, who will want to update your version with the
even later and even greater compression schemes has to go out hunting for
your source code (if he/she can find it), just like you are now??

Why are you only offering to distribute the .EXEs?

-Dan Wing, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU or WING_D@UCOLMCC.BITNET (DGW11)
 Systems Programmer, University Hospital, Denver
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Problem with detached/subprocess output files
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:35:20 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Sep29.091339.1@vortex.rti.org>, efricha@vortex.rti.org writes:
>We're having a big problem with mixing writes to SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR
>when we don't have a CLI present to open them as process-permanent
>files, such as detached or subprocesses started with $CREPRC or RUN.

>	o  Is there a way to get these varied methods of sharing output
>	   to write to the same file without CLI support?

Why is the "without CLI support" so important to you?  You can create the
detached process or subprocess by having it run SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT with it
input a DCL procedure containing a command to run the program in question.  Not
elegant, perhaps, but quite effective, and easy to do.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: assigning lta device numbers
From: trounson@wronz.org.nz
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:18:15 +1200

Dear all,

We are about to install DECprint Printing Services for VMS 4.1. The release
notes mention that it is important to assign high LTA device numbers for
printers on decservers. Why? Ours are assigned from LTA1-LTA9 and we
are loath to change them, especially as we haven't had any problems with the
current assignments.

Thanks

Mary Trounson                    Internet:  TROUNSON@WRONZ.ORG.NZ
Computer Systems Officer         PSI:  (05301)30000047::TROUNSON
Wool Research Organisation
Christchurch                    Telephone:  (+64) (+3) 325 2421
New Zealand                           Fax:  (+64) (+3) 325 2717
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: grant@reg.triumf.ca (Peter A. Grant)
Subject: BACKUP/VERIFY - why verification errors?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:47:00 GMT

We're experiencing verification errors while doing a:

     BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY $1$DIA0: MUA0:BACKUP.BCK/SAVE

A very simple command executed from stand-alone backup loaded from the MUA0
TK70.  We have done this in the past without any errors, but when we went
to VMS 5.5 we did a SAB after the upgrade, and had a LOT of errors.  We have
survived the past six months without any problems, but were worried.  We 
just did the update to VMS 5.5-2HW (smooth, but slow), and I'm doing another
SAB.  We hoped that this one would be better.  Well, it is, but still there
are a lot of verification errors in a lot of .DAT and .LDB files.  

Never any reports of problems writing to the tape.  

Any bright ideas as to why we're getting these?  I thought that this should
get a really "good" coy of the disk, but it seems really strange.  Of 
course, there are no other nodes in the cluster running while this backup
is being done. 

Peter Grant           ////////  ///////  ////////  //    //  //    //  ////////
grant@reg.triumf.ca     //     //    //     //    //    //  ///  ///  //
                       //     ///////      //    //    //  ////////  ///////
                      //     //  //       //    //    //  // // //  //
                     //     //    //  ////////  //////   //    //  //
                                               Canada's National Meson Facility
__________________________________________ _        Vancouver, British Columbia
From: mzagsaa@v4.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Tony Arnold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Wildcard filename as arg. to DCL-script?
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: A.C.Arnold@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre


In article <1992Sep26.115647.13669@tc.cornell.edu>,
olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) writes:
|>From: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson)
|>Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
|>Subject: Re: Wildcard filename as arg. to DCL-script?
|>Date: 26 Sep 92 11:56:47 GMT
|>Reply-To: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
|>
|>In article <6214@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, mzagsaa@v4.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Tony
|>Arnold) writes:
|>>
|>>Here is a simple command procedure that prints out the files matched
|>by a given
|>>wild card paramter:
|>>
|>>	$ next:
|>>	$	fil=f$search(p1)
|>>	$	if fil .eqs. "" then goto done
|>>	$	write sys$output fil
|>>	$	goto next
|>>	$ done:
|>>	$	exit
|>>
|>>Look at HELP LEX F$SEARCH for more information. There is also f$PARSE
|>for
|>>doing magic things with file names. You might find F$ELEMENT useful
|>for
|>>splitting lists of files separated by commas.
|>>
|>>Tony Arnold.
|>
|>You need a bit more code here; try this out when P1 is a filespec
|>that
|>doesn't have wild cards in it and you'll see what I mean!

Yes, I know it goes into an endless loop. You need to search P1 for wild card
cahracters such as *, % and ...

I thought I would leave that part as an excercise for homework:-)

Tony Arnold,
Manchester Computing Centre,
University of Manchester.
From: ROSSJI@JS-JTF.AF.MIL ("Jim Ross")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Motif V1.1 Session Mgr Dies
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Saturday I upgraded decw$motif from v1.0 to v1.1 (off the sep condist).
After rebooting, I get the login box, but when I login (as system, this is
a software testbed standalone vs4000-60 lcg 8plane 16" 40MB RZ25) the
session manager window just flashes on the screen and is gone.

The Decw$sm.log says decw$session died because sys$share:decw$sessionshrp.exe
isn't installed and protected images must be installed. Well it is installed,
shared, protected, v1.1 in the common syslib directory. There is also an
error code given which when f$messaged yields "invalid media format" (helpful
eh?)

I checked sys$specific:[*]decw* and there isn't anything there, as usual.
I renamed all my sys$Login:decw*.dat to *.oldat, no difference.
I increased gblsections as install/lis/glob/summ showed less than 10% free,
no difference.
I reinstalled decw$motif011 after increasing gblpages and gblsections per
suggestion from csc because initial installation complained after "moving
files to target directories" about no free gblpages (I assume to reinstall
the images replaced from v1.0), no difference in behavior.

Thanks for your patience if you've gotten this far. Anyone gotten a rogue
error message like this before with decw$motif v1.1 session manager?

btw. 
A few months ago, on the same system software configuration, as I was trying
to evaluate Instant-SQL (a Decwindows interface to SQL) I got a similar error
from instantsql. Only that time it complained that sys$library:mountshrp wasn't
installed protected, although it was. Never did solve that before the evaluation
pak expired.

Jim Ross
rossji@js-jtf.af.mil
From: mckay@gimli.bio.purdue.edu (Dwight McKay)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Convert a VMS 5.3-1 sysuaf to VMS 5.5-1?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:39:50 GMT
Reply-To: mckay@gimli.bio.purdue.edu (Dwight McKay)
Organization: Department of Biological Science, Purdue University

I'm about to receive a nice, new, MicroVAX 3100/90 and I would like to move the
sysuaf file from the machine it's replacing over to the new machine.

Is there a way to convert a VMS 5.3-1 sysuaf file to a VMS 5.5-1 sysuaf file?
I'd like to keep the passwords and other information intact...

--
--Dwight D. McKay, Purdue University, Department of Biological Sciences
--Office: LILY B-145, Phone: (317) 494-4481
--mckay@gimli.bio.purdue.edu
From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VAXstation: 3.5" floppy won't format
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:28:40 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I bought a 3M 3.5" floppy DS/DD (1 mbyte) and tried to init it on a VAXstation
3100/40. No matter what I try I keep getting the message

%INIT-F-FORMAT, invalid media format

Ideas? Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: CCC_KARG@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (ComRam)
Subject: Reading Bookreader Help on VT330
Organization: Chaos Computer Club Ulm
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:37:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

As printed documentation gets more and more rare, programmers have to rely
in almost any case on the online documenation accessible via
decw$bookreader. The only problem for me is, we use standard VT330
Terminals here, so using decw applications is causing some problems :-)
Is there any reasonable way to access the documentation data anyway, e.g.
converting them to ASCII or whatever ? Or perhaps even a complete
'bookreader-like'-ASCII Interface ?

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Subject: Re: Forwarding Mail by Distribution Lists
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:07:06 GMT



In article <920928134742.5fef@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>, UCCGAMBLE@MERLIN.NLU.EDU (Stuart Gamble, University Computing Center) writes...
>I am trying to set up an account to forward mail to several users.  I tried 
>forwarding the account's mail to a list of users in a distribution file by 
>typing:
> 
>	MAIL>	SET FORWARD @DISTRIBUTE.DIS
> 
>and also
> 
>         MAIL>   SET FORWARD "@DISTRIBUTE.DIS"
> 
>When mail is sent to the account I get the following message:
> 
>	%MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid usser specification '@DISTRIBUTE.DIS'
> 
>Looks to me that the SET FORWARD command will not forward to distribution 
>lists.  Has anyone set anything like this up or have any ideas on how to set 
>one up.		Thanks
> 

SET FORWARD cannot be used to forward to more than one addressee.  No
distribution lists, no comma-separated lists, no logical names which
translate to either distribution lists or comma-separated lists.

You might be able to trick SET FORWARD into accepting a logical name
which points to something other than a single addressee, but it isn't
supported, and it will undoubtedly not always work the way you think
it should.

-- --
 Dave C.                          cantor@star.enet.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corp., Nashua, NH  03062, USA
  The views expressed herein are my own, except where attributed to 
  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility 
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: tillman@swdev.si.com ("Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Problem with detached/subprocess output files
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:21:45 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Eric Richards (richarde@eglin.af.mil) writes:

>(Even though using LOGINOUT will solve our problem, the question remains:
>Is this behavior really a desirable feature?  The only way to be absolutely
>safe it to always use $PUTMSG for output or to never run a program without
>CLI support.)

I don't see why you'd need to change any programs.  Perhaps you could share why 
you think that would be necessary.

As an aside, and in reference to the quoted text above, mixing $PUTMSG and RMS 
I/O has long been cautioned against in VMS documentation.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |           tillman_brian@si.com
 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129    | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
-----------------------------+--------------------------------
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DEC Catalogs, Booklets, and Pamphlets
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:15:40 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <199209282105.AA22629@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, richard@hacgate.SCG.hac.com ("R.Shimamoto") writes:
> 	I'm sure that this will not be a comprehensive list, so feel free
> 	to make your own contributions to this list.

  I'd like to point out that DEC has a product called the "Digital Reference
Service" which gathers these and other documents (like the Alpha Architecture
Handbook), 3-hole punches them, and sends them to you 6-8 times a year, along
with some other books that they develop themselves (like combined SPD's on
your choice of paper or CD-ROM).

  Someone will probably point out that if you buy this, you'll be paying DEC
to send you advertising material. While that may be partially true, you will
also get other things (like the collected SPD's, the AAH, etc.). Having this
material delivered automatically to me, rather than having to find out what's
available and then trying to get it, makes the service well worth it for me.

  Current pricing (US $) is:

DRS 1-year subscription, hardcopy SPDs   ED-23800-18  $450
DRS 2-year subscription, hardcopy SPDs   ED-23815-18  $800
DRS 3-year subscription, hardcopy SPDs   ED-23818-18 $1100
DRS 1-year subscription, SPDs on CD-ROM  ED-00896-18  $485
SPDs on CD-ROM (no DRS literature)       ED-00897-18  $125

  For more info. contact the DRS Customer Service Hotline at (508) 467-4566.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: sysjmm@idun.albany.edu (jayen malde)
Subject: Has anyone installed MSP (Message Send Protocol) for VMS
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:41:21 GMT

Recently, I tried to port the MSP (message send protocol) by Microsoft
(written for UNIX based system using TCP/IP...see RFC 1312 and RFC 1159) 
for our UCX TCP/IP based VAX-VMS system. Being a novice, I was having
problems in converting the UNIX `ioctl' calls to the appropriate VMS device
control calls.

To make the long story short, has anyone successfully installed the MSP
for UCX TCP/IP based systems? It would be prefarable to mail your response
directly to me at sysjmm@csc.albany.edu

If enough interest is generated, I will post a summary.

Thanks in advance,
Jayen.

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: JONESD@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)
Subject: Re: Why is demand-zero compression for shareable images unsupported?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:37:35 GMT

In Article <1992Oct1.135914.217@rlgsc.com>, gezelter@rlgsc.com writes:
>In article <SNYDER.92Oct1023600@d0sb10.fnal.gov>, SNYDER@d0sb10.fnal.gov writes:
>>
>> I've discovered that the VMS linker (at least in versions 5.4 and 5.5)
>> will not perform demand-zero compression when building a shareable image
>> unless you use the undocumented link option `unsupported=1'.
.
>
>Your research is appreciated (at least be me :-)). Hopefully,
>somebody will note this item and correct the "feature". It is
>quite a pain in disk space limited environments where a shareable
>library requires a large "zeroed" array.

Another reason to dislike large zeroed arrays in images is that they
generate hard faults (Copy-on-Reference) which are generally slower than
demand zero faults.



David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929
Ohio State Unviversity       |      Internet:
1971 Neil Ave. Rm. 406       |               jonesd@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210           |               jones-d@eng.ohio-state.edu

Disclaimer: A repudiation of a claim.
From: patrick%8461.span@FEDEX.MSFC.NASA.GOV (Patrick E. Meyer (205)544-2265)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Help with DEBUG??
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:23:39 GMT

We stopped using the DECwindows debugger when we discoved the old terminal one 
could be brought up in a second DECterminal using the following command file.

$ DEFINE/JOB DBG$DECW$DISPLAY " "
$ CREATE/TERMINAL/NOPROCESS -
    /DEFINE_LOGICAL=(TABLE=LNM$JOB,DBG$INPUT,DBG$OUTPUT)
$ ALLOCATE DBG$OUTPUT
$ EXIT

However, now the debuggers' terminal window is not inhereting the parents line 
edit mode (ie insert/overstrike). We want default insert, but it gives 
overstrike.  Help suggested CREATE/TERM/INSERT but with the /NOPROCESS the
/INSERT is not valid.

Any suggestions on how to set default to insert mode in debug without requiring 
the users press F14 (^A) on each DBG> line.

Thanks

Patrick%8461.Span%FEDEX.MSFC.NASA.GOV
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VAX-C VMS 5.3, open(), file protections dont work?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 21:18:12 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <2ac7239e.e10@grace.cri.nz>, srghcxp@grace.cri.nz writes:
>Using VAXC, open(), the protection flags don't seem to work.
>
>Anyone know why, have I done something stupid?


The reason is that the protection mask you specify in the call to open() is
ANDed with your current default protection.  To change that, you need to call
umask() with the complement of your desired default protection.

The following modified version of your program illustrates this:

#include <unixio.h>
#include <file.h>
#include <stdlib>
main()
{	int f, umask();

	f = open("a.a",O_CREAT,0777);
	close(f);
	printf("%o\n", umask(0000));
	f = open("b.b",O_CREAT,0777);
	close(f);
}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: bg@dymaxion.ns.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DCL says 1 = 0 (puzzle)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:50:55 GMT
Organization: Dymaxion Research Limited, NS, Canada

In article <9210030644.AA02790@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de ("GWDGV1::MOELLER") writes:
> --- file XX.COM ---
> $ ???			[mystery line here]
> $ show symbol 1
> -------------------
> 
> $ @XX.COM
>   1 = 0   Hex = 00000000  Octal = 00000000000
> 
> :-)
> 
a three-line solution:

--- file XX.COM ---
$ h[0,8]=8
$ a'h'1=0
$ show symbol a'h'1
-------------------

I'll have to think about this a bit more...

Ben.
---
Ben Armstrong, Software Development                  bus: (902)422-1973
Dymaxion Research Ltd.,                              fax: (902)421-1267
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3J 1R2            Internet: bg@dymaxion.ns.ca
From: jareed@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judith Ann Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Central NY DECUS regional conference announcement
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:20:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Syracuse University

The Central N.Y. Local Users Group would like to announce our 5th annual 
All-Day Meeting, to be held November 17, 1992 at the Carousel Center, Syracuse, N.Y. This meeting consists of 2 streams, each consisting of 4 sessions, of 
one hour presentations on topics of interest to DEC equipment users. The theme
of this year's conference is "The Future Of Computing" and topics include:

	ALPHA
	Windows NT on ALPHA
	Internetworking and Network Monitoring
	FDDI
	Executive Information Systems and 4GLS
	Data Management on MUMPS
	AI
	RAID - Redundant Array of Independent Disks

We will also have a demonstration area where both current and historical 
Digital technologies can be examined. 

Cost of the conference is $22.50 for pre-registration (prior to Nov. 6) or
$25 at the door. This fee includes a buffet luncheon. For more information 
or a registration form, contact:

	Judith Reed
	CNYLUG chairperson
	judith@suhep.phy.syr.edu
	jareed@rodan.acs.syr.edu
	(315)443-5995

If you are in the Central NY area on November 17th, I hope we will see you 
there!

Judith Reed
CNYLUG chair
From: edbis@solomon.technet.sg (Koh Eng San)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Utility to delete 0 block file
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:18:56 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi there,

I am looking for a file utility that deletes 0 block file. Is such a utility
available?

Cheers.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: CMKRNL as an image priv:  Security problem?
From: s01964@seb.se
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:39:34 +0100
Organization: S-E-Banken, Sweden
Nntp-Posting-User: s01964

In article <1OCT92.22115475@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu>, acm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu writes:
> In a previous article, sysop wrote:
>>If a process has an image privilege (as opposed to a process privilege), is it
>>possible for that process to acquire the priv?  How?  What can I do to prevent
>>a possible security problem like this? 
> 
.
.
.
.
>    2) Be sure to get and save the process's PROCPRIV mask.  $GETJPI with the
>       JPI$_PROCPRIV item will do the trick.  If your image intends to use
>       $SETPRV.  Be sure and restore the saved procpriv mask prior to image
>       exit.  USE AN EXIT HANDLER!!!
.
.
.
> 
> Tony McCracken
-- 

Note that the exit handler is not called if the user type ctrl-Y and then STOP.
If you specify the $SETPRV flag PRMFLG = 0 (the default) is the priviliges only
temporarily until the image exit.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jonas Lindholm				Internet: jlh@seb.se
R-M3					Phone:	  +46 8 639 1000
S-106 40 Stockholm			Fax:	  +46 8 639 3762
SWEDEN
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica)
Subject: Re: Utility to delete 0 block file
Originator: ghica@duck
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:29:59 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.100636.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
|> > I am looking for a file utility that deletes 0 block file. Is such a utility
|> > available?
|> 
|> I have thought of doing this, so as to clean up the entire installation of
|> useless files.  But, I have been afraid there might be some system situations
|> whereby the file was needed.  One case which comes to mind might be where
|> in real time the file just got created, but has not been written into yet.
|> 
|> Can any guru give some examples which are more exotic?
|> -- 
|> Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG,  welchb@woods.ulowell.edu


how about doing a 

$ DIR/SELECT=SIZE=MAX=0/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL/BEFORE=YESTERDAY /OUT=FOO.LIS

and then parse the FOO.LIS file (open, read, delete $filename)?

Would this do it?

-rg:x


-- 

"I am a brain, Watson."
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