HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Extending speedo wire
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:37:23 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren):
>We've got one of the new Specialized bike computers (similar to an
>Avocet or Vetta) and it is my thought to mount it on the stoker bars 
>of our tandem rather than the front bars (imagined benefits: safer for 
>the stoker to be looking at it, gives the stoker "more to do", whatever.)
>
>My question is as follows.  The wire connecting the magnetic pickup assembly
>to the mounting bracket is too short to reach from any suitable mounting 
>point (front fork or rear chainstay) to the desired location for the 
>mounting bracket on the stoker bars.  If I cut the wire and splice in a 
>piece of similar wire by soldering it and sealing it with heat shrink tubing, 
>do you think the signal will still be sufficient to drive the computer?
>Has anyone else done this?  I have a feeling I have seen computers mounted
>on stoker bars (or on both bars) before but I can't remember for sure.  
>I don't want to cut up the wire harness (such as it is) if it just plain 
>isn't going to work.

I think it will work just fine. After all you don't need to extend the wire
that much? I have not tried it nor I have heard of anyone else who have.
Even if you double the length of the wire it should work. The important
thing is to get the seal 100% waterproof. If water gets into the seals the
signal will be distrubed so much that your computer will show 0 speed.

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From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Keywords: avocet magnet ring
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:59:13 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: SFBAC

Re: 32 spoke wheels and Avocet bike computers.

Avocet sells a magnet ring separately that fits 32 spoke wheels very
well.  I think I got mine at REI.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: leb@edgar.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Larry Bright)
Subject: "Triple Crown" of Cycling?
Summary: Want info on race from Palm Spgs, CA -> _?_, Colorado
Keywords: racing, western US
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:16:06 GMT

Can anyone tell me a few key facts about a race from Palm Springs, CA to
somewhere in Colorado that started yesterday, Friday, 24 July?

It's called something like the "Thrifty (Drugs?) Triple Crown", I think.
(Is this the correct name?) Is it a "big" important event in American
racing? Keep in mind that these questions come from a total novice in
cycling.

Do you know the number of stages, distances and starting points?
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article AA19161@tektronix.TEK.COM, TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com () writes:
>
>Weight reduction techniques deleted...
>
>roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat) writes
>
>-What's the point?  I'd rather lose 5 pounds myself than spend $1500 scrping a
>-few
>-ounces of my bike.  A whole lot easier and cheaper.
>
>
>The point is some folks enjoy pouring over catalogs, ordering neato
>titanium parts; installing said parts and at least psycologically
>going quicker.  Does it make financial sense.  Probably not.
>I've never had a weight problem and so the idea of dieting sounds
>boring.  I have, however always had this insane habit of modifying
>every piece of equipment I've ever had including cars, motorcycles,
>bicycles etc.  I even souped up our lawnmower when I was a kid much
>to the chagrin of my parents (it blew up).  None of this ever made
>any financial sense but its been great fun.
>
>Anyway just another point of view...  ride bike
>
>--Terry (can't leave well enough alone) Powell
>
>PS.  A data point.   I did some quick figuring.  I've spent
>approximately $375 on my MB1 and reduced the weight from 26lbs
>to just under 24.  Much improved handling and of course I'm
>much faster now. :):)


Ah yes.  All you disgusting guys that have a hard time keeping weight on.  
And all the tinkerers in the crowd.  I look at food and gain weight.  Typical
female.

Have to say I'm guilty in the tinkering dept.  I just spent $1000 for an entire,
brand new Dura-Ace gruppo complete with 8-speed STI for my racing frame.  Drool.  
I can't wait to start building wheels and trying to figure out how to install the 
STI. :-)
---
Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Keywords: with a bike, of course
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:29:33 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

I'd like to find out where one can cross the Delaware River with a bicycle,
from NJ to PA [and presumably vice versa]

This would include any bridges, fords/causeways, and ferries.

-sh
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:43:42 GMT

In article <p-lm9mf.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>But this was _clearly_ an accident.

Huh?  If I blindfold myself, walk out into the street with a gun and
open fire, any resulting death is not an accident.

No one forced this moron (sorry, forgot the slug's name) to operate
his vehicle in an obviously reckless and deadly manner.  That he did
not assist the victim (and his later actions) adds malice to the
equation, and I cannot see why he does not face a charge of attempted
murder.

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: warren@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (warren, rob)
Subject: RAAM Update 07/28
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: warren@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:13:19 GMT


Rob Kish continues to hold a rather tenuous lead in the 1992 RAAM 
Men's Division, while Seanna Hogan maintains a sizeable lead in 
the Women's.  Rietman/Wilson have a slight (39 mile) lead over 
Team Addison in the Mixed Tandem, while the team of Haldeman/Breedlove 
are making the Men's Tandem Division look like the U.S. Dream Team vs.
Angola.  A look at these races follows.

Men's Division
**************
Rob Kish passed through Conway, Texas at 1:05 A.M., EDT.  This puts him
1320 miles into the race, averaging 16.0 MPH and 384 miles per day.  Since 
this report is the 9:00 A.M. RAAM report, the assumption is that the leaders
have taken a sleep break, and the distances back to some of the other 
riders may decrease with the next report.  Then again, the other riders 
may just be fading back.  Plenty of time to go.  Following is a list of
the remaining Men's riders, and their approximate distance behind the 
leader:

#    Rider       Miles behind
=================================
1.   Kish 
2.   Forney          5
3.   Solon          78
4.   Kees           78
5.   Tatrai         81
6.   Kent          144
7.   Vetterli      208
8.   Ward          225
9.   Bell          236
10.  Stoneman      269
11.  Bowles        276
12.  Black         285
13.  Schwarz       300
14.  Courtney      334
15.  Bond          339
16.  Kross         339
17.  Gfeller       386
18.  Davies        438
19.  Thomas        521

Women's Division
****************
Seanna Hogan passed through Wayside, Texas at 1:40 A.M., EDT.  She is now
1287 miles into the race, and is averaging 11.9 miles per hour and 285 
miles per day.  Four of the five women who started in Irvine remain in 
the race.

#    Rider       Miles Behind
=============================
1.   Hogan           
2.   Turner          191
3.   Allison         198
4.   Regan           261


Tandem Divisions
****************
The mixed tandem team of Rietman/Wilson passed through Pecos, New Mexico
this morning at 5:00 A.M., EDT.  They are averaging 11.5 MPH and 275 miles 
per day.  Team Addison is making it close, only 39 miles behind.

It's a different story in the Men's tandem division.  The veteran team of
Bob Breedlove and Lon Haldeman rode through Plains, Texas at 5:31 AM, EDT.
Surprisingly, though, their average of 15.9 MPH and 382 miles per day is
actually slower than men's leader Rob Kish.  It is fast enough, however, 
to be in 15th place overall, and puts them 422 miles ahead of second place
riders Gerlich and Mankus.

A personal note:  Having participated in this race in varying capacities
four times, one thing must be kept in mind.  The race is not even half
over.  ANYTHING can happen, and probably will.  Huge leads can disappear 
due to fatigue, crashes, weather, or all of the above (Remember Shelby
Hayden-Clifton's seemingly "insurmountable" lead over Susan Notorangelo
in 1985).  But above all else, may all the riders enjoy a safe ride in
what should be the experience of a lifetime!
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: check rec.sports.olympics for results
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:16:52 GMT
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Originator: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu

rec.sports.olympics has people who have volunteered
to regularly post the results of every event, and total
medal counts.  what has been posted so far seems pretty
thorough.
From: ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: BOARDMAN - The lo-down
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:58:17 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

Boardman has (maybe still does) held (hold) the 5000m world record (in a track
time trial) of around 5:40 something......*NOT* riding the Lotus Sport.

He holds various British Road Time Trial (RTTC) Records, and won the British
"50" Championship by over 5 minutes on a crap course.

Alas, he has no brain. When he set the British "25" record of 47:19 on the
(infamous) A34 near Oxford, he was limited to a 52-13 gear, as he was using
straight track cranks which did not allow sufficient lateral clearence for the
chain. Hence, when he tried to access his 12 sprocket, the crank rubbed on the
chain. A 46:?? was there to be had, if only he didn't have shit-for-brains!

Best of luck Chris!!! There's gold in them legs

-------
Charles

ftgcdj@uk.ac.oxford.vax
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wigan@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Marcus Wigan, Civil Eng, ext 4945 (for now))
Subject: Funded PhD in bicycle and pedestrian research in Australia
Keywords: bicycle pedestrian australia research scholarship graduate study planning transportation non-motorised vulnerable road user
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:42:32 GMT

There is a 3 year scholarship for a PhD in research into bicycle and 
pedestrian users (?) as an intrinsic part of overall transport: the work 
will include audits of the (limited) available data, its quality and 
utility; survey participation, transportation survey analysis, behavioural 
modelling.... its being led by Dr Nariida Smith (assisted by myself) at the 
Institute for Transport Studies in the Graduate School of Business at Sydney 
University. We have funds for a 3 year PhD, and need soemone soon! The ideal 
candidate will be sympathetic (hopefully invovled in) to nonmotorised 
transport, have a numerate honours degree, masters or extensive planning 
experience. 

The applications close very soon, so contact Dr Smith in Sydney if you wish, 
or Fax (or ring) me directly at ANY time of day or night your time to get 
more info etc. Fax + 61 3 459 8663 tel + 61 3 459 9671 or mobile/personal 
phone +61 18 380 349. Please pass the word on to liekly good candidates...

Marcus Wigan from both Sydney Uni and Monash Uni in melbourne: dont use the 
Email, it gets to me too slowly, and ITS is still only just being plugged in 
right now..

Marcus Wigan
Visiting professor
ITS, Graduate School of Business
Sydney University
144 Burren St Newtown NSW 2006 Australia: personal contacts (in melbourne 
where I am at present) as above.

Hope we hear from good computer and mathematically numerate 
cyclists and walkers who want to work in a great country where you can walk 
(mos)t places without being nervous of personal safety.....
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis)
Subject: How do I get off the TdF mailing list?
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:39:14 GMT

Now that the tour is over I would like to get off the mailing
list since I don't care to get all the olympic coverage that
seems to be coming from the mailing list.  Who ever is in charge
of the list please take my name off the list or tell me how I can.

Thanks

mona@scubed.scubed.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RAAM news
From: jhawley@desire.wright.edu (John Hawley, ,0,0)
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:44:10 EST
Reply-To: jhawley@desire.wright.edu

From article <1992Jul27.152616.613@keps.kodak.com>, by pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock):
> 
> 
> Anyone with any more info, please post. Does anyone know what happened
> to John Stamstad? Did he start?
> 
I was going to crew for John, but he decided against doing the race this
year and did not start.  I understand that he will be doing a similar
race in Austraila which I believe conflicts with the RAAM.

> For Daily race reports call 1-900-454-BIKE at $.95 per minute. 
> -- 
> Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
> Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
> 164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
--

John Hawley (jhawley@eve.wright.edu) 
Wright State University
Celina, Ohio
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: does "the bike doctor" exist?
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:06:43 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

(Note: I am setting Distribution:ba; don't fault me if this escapes
to the wide world!)

In the local yellow pages is an ad for "the Bike Doctor," claiming
to make house calls.  Vaguely recalled: a story in a local paper
about this guy doing bike repairs from a van.

Tried the number: phone says "we're sorry, this number now requires
area code 510."  OK, try 510..., but phone says "we're sorry, you must
first dial a 1..." Try 1-510-number, phone says "we're sorry," (like
heck you are) "this number has been changed to: 415-327-0710.  Tried
that: got a FAX!

Tried to whistle the ASCII for "do you true wheels after 5pm" but
not sure I got it all right... Has anyone else had experience with
"The Bike Doctor" or know a current phone #?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Date: 25 JUL 92 14:12:16    
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  

In article <1992Jul22.161420.2320@col.hp.com>, rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes...
>malb@ee.uts.edu.au (malcolm butler) writes:
>> 
>> Finally, I'm fairly new to wheel-building, so any advice on that is
>> also welcome (and yes, I've read the FAQ and I already have
>> _The_Bicycle_Wheel_: thanks Jobst, it's a great book).
>> to properly true my wheels.
> 
>Also, I have a cheap Cycle-Pro trueing stand (given to me by my
>father).  Will this be adequate?
> 

   If you get good at truing your wheels, it can be done while they're on the
bike.  You have to have good eyes to judge whether or not the rim is centered
with the frame, but, after that, it's easy.  Keep pushing the brake pads 
closer to the rim, unitl you get a spot where the rim binds.  True accordingly.
Following that, keep going until, the whole rim, binds evenly.  If the rim's
in the center, and doesn't bind in spots, eratically, you've got it.  
I learned to true wheels the hard way, after hitting a brick, because I was in
a pack, and couldn't bunny hop on a road bike at the time.  My front wheel made
it over the brick jus fine, but, the back wheel had a real bad hop,
out of round, and I had to go to the library.  I checked out every book they
had on bikes and wheels.  Needless to say I got the wheel straight, only
to have the whole bike stolen out of my garage several weeks afterwards.

   My advice: To learn how to true wheels, get as much reference material
as you can, read it all, buy a garage sale bike for 20 bucks, (with steel
rims, they're much more forgiving), and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!
Within no-time you'll have the hang of it, and soon be able to charge
yer buds, to true their wheels, too!

   Have fun.

     Joel Brodsky    jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                     jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us 
                     jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                     jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:19282 austin.forsale:1550
From: swren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sebastian wren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,austin.forsale
Subject: WANTED:  Rear rack for mountain bike (not for car)
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: swren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sebastian wren)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: swren@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

Greetings...

A friend of mine has just purchased a mountain bike, and she rides it to 
school every day.  However, she hates carrying a back-pack.  SOOO... I'm 
looking for a rear rack for her bike... something like a Blackburn would
be jus' fine.  Send me a postcard, drop me a line, or better yet, just 
e-mail me with what you think we should pay to buy a rack from you.

Thanks a heap.

Sebastian

(I think I'm...) swren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wheel rebuilding   (Araya rims)
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:54:41 GMT

Ref: Message-ID: <9207290212.AA04505@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>
I have a set of Araya aero clincher rims. My tires are rated for
95 - 105 lbs. I have added 5 lbs beginning at 95 every few rides.
So far I have inflated them to 130 lbs with no blow off. Tires are
Specialized transition 700x26. My bike shop guy says he has seen
these rims run at 140+ lbs (but didn't mention with which tire).
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:09:23 GMT

In article <Brws6M.ADM@waterloo.hp.com> lapp@waterloo.hp.com (David Lapp) writes:
   Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
   : Interesting bicycle facts, courtesy of the Ontario Ministry of
   : Transportation (distributed with the revised bicycle policy issued July
   : 23, 1992)
   :  
   : There are more than 3 million bicycles and 2 million cyclists in Ontario.
   :
   Wow That's a lot of unused bikes.
Some of us own more than one bike.  Unfortunately, I can only ride one
at a time.   

--
Greg Franks   (613) 788-5726     Systems and Computer Engineering,
uunet!mitel!cunews!sce!greg      Carleton University,
greg@sce.carleton.ca             Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1S 5B6.
Overwhelm them with small bugs so they don't see the big ones.
From: bennett@adobe.com (Bennett Leeds)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Pencil Post Bed Plan
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:27:02 GMT
Reply-To: bennett@adobe.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

"Steve Bussell" writes
> In response to the request for Pencil Post or Sleigh Bed plans, there is a
> pretty good plan in Norm Abram's 2nd book, "Classics from the New Yankee
> Workshop" for a Pencil Post Bed.  I have'nt built it but the plans and
> instructions are very good.  Even has instructions for jig to taper the  
posts.

The show on this project was just on TV the other night. One thing that struck  
me was that the headboard and footboard units are each glued together, meaning  
that you have two 5' wide by 7' high by 3" thick units to move in and out of  
the room (or up/down stairs). I believe the pencil post bed in the FWW article  
completely disassembles into individual boards.

Carlyle Lynch has done detailed plans of at least a few dozen antique furniture  
pieces now in museums. I believe he has done a pencil post bed plan.  
Garrett-Wade, and some other places, should carry the plans for about $10. But  
remember, these are plans, not Woodsmith variety detailed instructions.

BTW, making a pencil post bed with stationary power tools requires a pretty  
large shop: at least 15' of straight line space to run the posts. Of course,  
you can always truncate the posts and end up with a regular frame bed.

- Bennett Leeds
bennett@adobe.com

As an aside, Norm cracked me up when he said that he built the 8' long taper  
jig out of plywood scraps that he had lying around the shop. Sure, I always  
have 3 or 4 plywood scraps 8 feet long by 10-12 inches wide lying about ;^).

"And remember there's no more important safety rule than to wear these: safety  
glasses."
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: howardr@col.hp.com (Howard Rebel)
Subject: Re: A Grizzly Tale, or Some Assembly Reqd
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:18:21 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

In article <131146@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> gary_preckshot@lccmail.ocf.llnl.gov (Gary Preckshot) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.054315.8648@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, an625@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kryl Logan) writes:
>
>> I don't see anywhere in this posting where you gave Grizzly a chance to
>> resolve your problems.
>
>Perhaps you mistook what's happening here. What you are seeing is Grizzly in
>the act.  They have a chance, and I'll publish anything they do.
>
>
>> Alcohol consumption has no place in any workshop.
>
>Let's not be too pompous here.  Allow me some poetic license
>and assume that I'm really smart enough to figure this out.
>
>>They have a warning in my assembly manuals about this
>> very ..
>
>My brother, a laywer, states:  A hazard that is reasonably forseeable
>at the time of manufacture or sale that occurs during the normal
>operation of the product creates a actionable tort if the purchaser is
>injured.  The responsibility of the manufacturer or the seller is
>absolute, whether they said "we told you so" or not.  Would you like
>to be Mr. Grizzly facing a lawsuit for severed finger tendons?  Or, worse
>yet, would you like you or a relative to be the one with severed
>finger tendons.
>

EEH GADS.... a laywer.  Does this mean we can look forward to the
price of Grizzly equipment going up by a factor of 3.....

Need anyone read on.






-- 
Howard Rebel hpcsos.col.hp.com 

Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: BIFOCALS
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:40:17 GMT

Depending on your exact needs, you may want to get special glasses for
some intermediate focus range.  For example, my wife has some ``computer
glasses'', as well as bifocals.  I'll probably do the same if/when the
time comes.
From: rer@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Rob Robason)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:49:49 GMT
Subject: Re: BIFOCALS
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.