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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 1bfaoeINN8p7@skat.usc.edu, ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.154319.18831@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
> >7. SOUTH AFRICA
> 
> >8. SRI LANKA
> 
> Please tell us your reason for this order.  I have no real problems with the
> rest of the order (you might want to switch Aus & WI).
> 
> Getting back to SL and SA, however, there is very little to suggest that 
> SA is capable of beating SL.  The only time the two sides met, SL beat SA.
> That was six months ago in the World Cup.
> 
> SL has also beaten every other Test playing country in One-day games.
> SA has yet to do so.  Granted it has not had the chance to prove it can.
> I would rank SL  and SA even/tied or give SL an edge.
> This has nothing to do with the fact that I am an SL'n.
> Honest! :-)
> 
> >I'm sure I've offended just about everyone with these rankings :-) :-)
> 
> Not yet!
> 
> >tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
> 
> - Deep Third Man


My rankings are based on tests and one day internationals, I haven't got
much data to rank South Africa but I put them above SL as SA got to the WC
semi-finals and only just lost to England. I would rank SL above SA in tests
after SL's series v Australia.

glad people have followed up my post!

tony bell
From: karnik@exa.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Australian cricket season starts ......
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:33:36 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Oct16.185313.18228@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

>|> however, india beat every team it played comprehensively, something that no
>|> other WC winning team has done- even the WI of 75 and 79 had 2-3 close matches.
>|> 

>I have to come out and say this, even though me pakistani, India is the best
>team in the world, best batsmen and best kapil dev. We nearly won the world cup
>if it wasn't for the rain and a few other matches we lost. After playing
>for four months in australia and getting used to the weather, the weather
>suddenly changed, it is not there fault. They good team, they also have
>gavaskar and he very good player. you see in South Africa they beat south
>africa , you see.

>sahibzada rafay khan [ that takes a load of my chest]

	
	This is totally unnecessary. No one is arguing that India has the
best team in the world at this time, but the quoted article was simply a 
response to the allegation that India's WC victory was a fluke (accompanied
by a misquotation of Gavaskar). So your post, with all its dripping sarcasm
(sic) was uncalled for.... Just my opinion...

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Subject: Re: Six sixers in the same over!
From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:31:07 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


They weren't in the same over. But Lance Cairns hit six sixes in a row in
one of the Kerry Packer World Series finals. A couple of them were off
Dennis Lillee too. (One of those was one handed!)
From: babu@vu-vlsi.vill.edu (Srinivasa Gopaladhine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Test 11 to SA and ODI 11 too (was Re: Indian Team Selected)
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:42:48 GMT
Organization: Villanova University

>Actually 3 spinners (counting Shastri).  Even so just 7 batsmen..
>Raman, Shastri, Jadeja, Azhar, Tendulkar, Manjrekar, Amre seems too
>few...  I wish they had gone with 17 and taken Kambli as well.  
>Lets break it down for the Tests (I personally don't care overly about
>ODI's but will talk about that at the end briefly).
>
>Openers: Shastri should (and will) open; Its between Jadeja and Raman
>for the 2nd slot.  Probably go with Raman for the Tests unless Jadeja
>is sensational in the early games.
>
>1. Shastri
>2. Raman
>
>The middle order looks set.  Manjrekar will play, at lezst for the
>first 2 Tests.  I suggest moving him to number 5 and letting Azhar
>come in one down.  Lets see.
>
>4. Tendulkar
>3,5 Azhar, Manjrekar
>
>6. Amre/Jadeja:  It is brutal on poor Kambli, but dropping Amre would
>		be unfair as well.  It would have been so much better
>		to take both to Australia and let the Colonel go
>		(brutal as that sounds)... BUt, of course the
>		selectors would then promptly pick Vengy for the World
>		Cup:-) 
>
>Wicket Keeper: More
>
>Opening  Bowlers Kapil, Prabhakar
>
>3rd Pacer: Chetan/Srinath
>
>Spinner Kumble (or possibly Raju, but I hope not).
>
>Total waste of a spot: Bannerji;

	Very true, that spot could have been taken by Maninder. he has
	been one of the finest spinner India has produced since a long
	time (actually after Dilip Doshi there hasnt been a class spinner).
	Maybe the selector will wake up sometime in the middle of the tour
	and recall him.
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Subject: Re: Kapil's Hundreds
From: sturumella@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:06:21 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct13.030804.10842@tamsun.tamu.edu>, svb0224@zeus.tamu.edu (BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY V) writes:
> 
>         The complete list of Kapil's hundreds is as follows
> 
> 1) 126 against W.Indies at New Delhi, 1978-79
> 2) 116 against England at Kanpur, 1981-82
> 3) 100 n.o. against W.Indies at Port of Spain, 1983.
> 4) 119 against Australia at Madras, 1986.
> 5) 163 against Sri Lanka at Kanpur, 1986.
> 6) 106 against W.Indies at Madras, 1987-88.
> 7) 110 against England at Oval, 1990.
> 
> Three of Kapil's seven hundreds are against W.Indies.
> 
> Just for the record, here is a list of Azharuddin's centuries in test cricket
> 
> 1) 110 against England at Calcutta, 1984-85.
> 2) 105 against England at Madras, 1984-85.
> 3) 122 against England at Kanpur, 1984-85.
> 4) 199 against Sri Lanka at Kanpur, 1986.
> 5) 141 against Pakistan at Calcutta, 1987.
> 6) 110 against Pakistan at Jaipur, 1987.
> 7) 109 against Pakistan at Faisalabad, 1989.
> 8) 192 against N.Z at Auckland, 1990.
> 9) 121 against England at Lord's, 1990.
> 10)179 against England at Old Trafford, 1990.
> 11)106 against Australia at Adelaide, 1991-92.
> 
> Azhar's first six hundred's are in India where as his next five are abroad.
> Azhar's 192 against Hadlee, Morrison, Snedden and Thomson ( Shane ) was rated
> by the critcs as one of best innings ever played in the Kiwi land.
> 
> Sridhar.
> 
> 
Kapil did not get 116 against England in 81-82 as stated, at Kanpur. In 81-82
India toured England under Gavaskar's captaincy and Kapil made a hundred 
there in one of those matches. In fact he was declared man of the series i
think
ahead of Bothom though the latter had 400+ runs in the series against kapil's
290 odd runs. Bob willis was the English captain and in the same series 
Patil thrashed willis for 6 fours in the same over. That was the second 
century by kapil after his 126* against WI at Delhi in 1978.

Srinivas Turumella
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: World rankings
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:25:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.154319.18831@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
|> 
|> After the discussions about whether Pakistans losses to England in the
|> ODI's this summer still make them World champs I present my current
|> world rankings of the 9 test playing nations, this is for all
|> international cricket.
|> 

	What have the Windies done WRONG in the last decade?
	It is ridiculous to say they are not still
	the best Cricketing nation in the world until they
	are convincingly dethroned. (IMO...)

|> 1. PAKISTAN
|> 
|> Won World Cup, beat England in England. Very exciting team, if they
|> can find another Imran they could be unbeatable for the next 10 years.
|> 

	Can't have it both ways.  If they won the World Cup, then 
	they lost in England... (one day).  Has their test
	record been that special recently??
	Forgive my ignorance, I know 2-1 over England, what about
	recent WI series etc?

|> 
|> I'm sure I've offended just about everyone with these rankings :-) :-)
|> 
|> what do you think folks?
|> 

	Agree with most else, It certainly seems more open than
	any time over the last decade.

	tom

|> tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
|> serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
|> atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
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From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Some stats re the Indian team to tour SA/Zim
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:59:57 GMT


o  Three of the 16 have never played Test cricket - Jadeja, Amre and Yadav

o  A nice blend of youth and experience?? The only experienced players are
   Kapil Dev (115 Tests) and Shastri (76). Next in rank are Azhar (46) and
   Kiran More (38)

o  Among the "batsmen", Kapil Dev leads the aggregates with 4690 runs in Tests
   followed by Shastri (3760) and Azhar (3168). No-one else has 2000+ runs. 
   Only Manjrekar and More have 1000+. (SRT is close, of course).

o  Test centuries: Azhar and Shastri have 11 each, Kaps has 7, and the two
   'kars from Bombay have 3 each - that's it!

o  Among the bowlers, only Kapil Dev (401) and Shastri (148) have 100+ wkts.

o  No-one apart from Kapil Dev and Raju have sub-30 bowling averages, and they
   both have 29+. (Bannerjee has a 15.xx avg. but has only played one Test)

o  W.V.Raman has made three scores of 50+ in Tests @ 33.66
o  Manoj Prabhakar has made six scores of 50+ (in more Tests of course) @ 38.02

	Does anyone think Prabhakar might be asked to open again? How about
Shastri and Prabhakar swapping positions in ODIs ?

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From: sagrawal@oracle.com (Sanjay Agrawal)
Subject: India in Zimbabwe
Organization: Oracle Corp
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:45:53 GMT
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India beat a Zimbabwe President's XI by 16 runs in a 30 (?) overs-a-side match. India scored
203 for 9, and the President's XI replied with 187 for 9. BBC didn't give any details.

Sanjay Agrawal
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From: shyamu@iastate.edu (JORDAN's fan)
Subject: Re: Manjrekar
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:14:58 GMT

I saw kapil and vengsarkar playing in kenya. Not sure if they were actually
playing for some club though. Can somebody shed light on this?

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From: sl57h@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: test
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:57:52 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

this is a test
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:48:21 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <92282.200214HH9679A@auvm.american.edu>, HH9679A@auvm.american.edu (Howard E. Hill-Esbrand) writes:
> Look guys if you are going to play  Qadir on sentiment go ahead!
> The West Indies proved that you can become the greatest team on
> earth without a spinner ! Our record reflects that, the West Indies
> lost one test series in the last 14 years and we do not have a regular
> spinner , What do you think kept us at the top for so many years?
> Roberts, Holding,Croft,Daniel,Marshall,Clarke,Davis,Small,Walsh,
> Patterson,Gray,Benjamin & Bishop. So if statistical data and reason
> do not warrant the exclusion of Abdul Qadir from an 80'S eleven for
> a more effective bowler, then select him to carry the water.

Well said.  By the way welcome to rsc where jingoism often takes precedence
over any rational analysis.  In business terms you get a better rate of return
if you invest in pace rather than spin.

> I recall in 1978 Colin Croft a West Indian quickie had figures of 8-29
> against Pakistan at Queen's Park Oval in Trinidad which is a spinner's
> paradise. On numerous occasions Malcolm Marshall wrecked India in India
> as I recall India does not have anything half as quick as Perth or Sabina
> Park. Abdul Qadir being as good as he was cannot make any UNBIASED XI of
> the greatest players of the 80's before Imran,Marshall,Hadlee,Garner,Holding
> Dev or even Botham.
> nb I did not include Lillee,Willis or Roberts since they played more in the
> 70's than 80's in fact they all retired in the early 80's.

Many world X1s posted were more interesting for who they contrived to omit than
their noted inclusions.  

McBean

100% unreconstituded yardie
From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Sobers on batting
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:57:48 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct7.111534.9319@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
says:
>
>/* Sober's on batting */
>   ^^^^^^^
>                        [etc]
>
is it just me, or doesn't anyone else think it rather strange that the greatest
WI cricketer of all time, to wit, Sober's (sic), isn't involved with the selec-
tion of the WI team? is this in anyway related to his trip to rhodesia 20 odd
years ago?

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:58:14 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct9.062015.17563@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

> this is my personal opinion but richards, though a great batsmen was
> no where near as competent a captain. You felt as if the team was captainless
> as richards would be to pre-occupied with himself. An error often made is to
> name your best batsmen as captain, alot of people thought greenidge would have
> been a great captain, but i would have liked Marshall as he would have been 
> a really aggressive one.

Mischievous question.. Who would have captained Richards?  I don't think he was
as aloof as you think.  He has this imperious air about him.. but on occassion
you would see him give a withering glare when something was wrong, or conduct
conversations from 1st slip.

> Imran's other asset as a captain was team selection or insistence on standing
> behind his decision, while one of the greatest problems during Viv's captaincy
> was suspect selection.

Wouldn't agree.  I think you probably read too many English papers, (or get
info sourced from them).  Who would have been the suspect selection?  I could
only think of the omission of Patterson from teams.   From what I gather (and I
could be wrong), the Pakistan board of control is made up of a lot of political
appointees whose knowledge of cricket was/is suspect, therefore Imran had to
fight harder for what he wanted.

Especially during the Lloyd era, selections were made on merit and the team
picked itself, so their was no need for any public confrontation with captain
and selectors.  Of late the selectors seem to be getting senile..

> Reading Lloyds book i can understand the problem faced by a west indian captain
> in trying to select the best players but ofcourse Lloyd did just that.
> 
> sahibzada rafay khan [ Richards now that was a great batsmen!!!!]
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Subject: Re: Best batting, bowling, and fielding sides
From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:23:29 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <13OCT199212195349@zeus.tamu.edu> m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
>but what about the best batting, bowling, and fielding sides.
> 	The following are my opinions, and i believe are not very far from 
>reality.
>	BEST BATTING SIDE:
>	There is hardly any doubt that india has the best batting lineup
>atleast on paper and based on individual performances. SRT, Azhar, 
>manjrekar, and shastri in this order is the backbone of indian batting.
>	if india had a decent bowling lineup, it would be hard to imagine
>any side beating them in either OD or tests. Rest of the teams are
>kind of mixed. Englands batting is very strong on paper but their
>brittlity (or brittleness) was exposed squarely by pakistan. WI is
>in the same mold as england. Australia's batting has not been this 
>week for years. Pakistani batting is not at all storng on paper
>but they have delivered the goods. miandad and malik share the main
>responsiblity. Inzamam has been a failure in england, not counting
>his feats in the side games. 
>
>	BEST BOWLING SIDE:
>	few teams may lay claim to be the  best in this dept., but 
>certainly pakistan has an edge, both in speed and spin. WI may come a close
>second and australia third. England is no where close, probably even 
>behind SA. NZ and india are more or less at the same level. dont know much
>about SL and ZIM.
>
>	BEST FIELDING SIDE:
>	As seen in WC, Australia is by far the best, followed by SA
>and england.

		REALLY? What about New Zealand? As seen in WC
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From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Subject: NZ Tour to Zimbabwae
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:55:46 GMT


Further to my last post NZ is touring Zimbabwae NOT SriLanka. They'll be
playing two tests. The international/neutral umpire for the two tests will be
none other than T.C. Dickie Bird himself.

PS Martin Crowe is still in bed...
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
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Subject: Re: cost of a cricket ball
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:52:07 GMT
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In article <1argbqINN6r4@coral.bucknell.edu>, desikan@bucknell.edu (sridhar desikan GR) writes:

> I would like to know the cost of a cricket ball ( in $ or pounds).
> 
> Wouldnt it be nice if the spectators can have the ball they catch. ( I do expect
> a serious discussion how it would affect the game, age of the ball etc.  ;-) )

Cricket balls vary in price according to their quality and whether they are 2
or 4 piece balls. (4 piece balls are used in ALL first class cricket, while 2
piece balls are generally only used for junior cricket.)

The best quality 4 piece ball available in the sports stores here in Australia
is probably the Kookaburra "Turf" 4 piece ball which costs around $35 (Aust.).
The Kookaburra balls used in the Test matches in Australia are specially made 
and NOT available in the stores.

As you can see, they are quite expensive. My district cricket club spent over
$10,000 on cricket balls alone last summer, for balls to be used in matches by
our 10 teams, and balls for training.

--
Daniel.
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From: ccrob@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
Subject: Re: Who will open for Aus? (was Re: Mathew Heyden)
Organization: The Prentice Centre, Uni of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:57:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.054212.10996@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mikef@dph1.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Blind Boy Grunt) writes:
> Given that Mark Taylor is assured of one opening position the selectors 
> only need to decide who will get the other. I can see the following
> options:
> 
> 	(1) recall Geoff Marsh
> 	(2) open with David Boon
> 	(3) try a promising youngster ie Heyden
> 	(4) give another chance to either Veletta, Moody or Phillips
> 
  { Comments deleted }
> 
> Any other opinions? 
> -- 
> Michael Fahey         | Internet: mikef@pub.health.su.oz.au

Personally, I think it would be crazy to put Hayden in at this stage. Okay,
he's had a brilliant debut season, and a pretty impressive start to this one.
However, he might be better served to have to suffer the second season blues,
before taking on the highest level. He hasn't really had to struggle yet in
this country (in terms of form, pitches or amazingly good bowling), and one 
would imagine that being worked out in a Test with no previous experience is
potentially career threatening (look at how fast Glenn Trimble's first class
career nose-dived once he lost confidence).

I don't think Phillips will get another shot, and Moody probably won't because
of his own preferences. (Personal opinion: he's nuts to turn his back on the
opportunity, no matter how hard he'd have to struggle, or how much he dislikes
opening). Veletta is a possibility.

I hope Marsh's early form holds. He is needed - particularly with neither Waugh
getting runs this weekend (although they've only had one innings, so it's too
early to judge). It would be nice to see all three (plus the rest of course)
making plenty in the next month.

Speaking as a moderately ignorant armchair expert, I'd like to see Michael
Bevan given a chance (providing he doesn't try to be a real hero like he did at
times last season). It seems like he may have the goods, and he's got 2 (?)
years behind him, plus confidence and power. I'm also a big fan of Trevor
Bayliss - he's a consistent run-getter. (Then again I'm also a fan of Trevor
Barsby, but he'll never be an international). I've seen Stuart Law mentioned 
on the net, too. I doubt he will make the Australian side in the short term.

Rob's batting side (assuming Swampy is in form) would be Taylor, Marsh, Boon, 
Jones, Bevan, Border, Mathews, Healy. If one or more of those aren't up to 
scratch by the first Test, it could be interesting...

(Of course, this is all IMHO, and I could be dead wrong. Such is life).

As far as bowling is concerned, Billy, Hughes and Reid would have to be
certainties. Other possibilities could be Holdsworth, Dodemaide, Warne and 
May. Ian Chappell (I think) made the point on the weekend that the WIndian 
top order may have up to 3 left handers. Be interesting to see if (and how) 
this affects bowling selections.

--
Rob.

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