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From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Date: 8 Sep 1992 12:09:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep7.031822.9440@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>
>
>>The question is not as simple as letting Kashmir go. Pakistan has occupied
>>a third of Kashmir for the last 40 years. If there is to be a plebiscite, it
>>must be held only after Pakistan vaccates Occupied Kashmir. The chances of that
>>happening are less than one in a million.
>
>Why does only Pakistan withdraw the army?
>Why not India, also?
>Both have occuppied Kashmir and both of them should withdraw their army.

Because UN resolution 2123 of January 1949 clearly states that Pakistan
is the aggressor nation and must vaccate the land it occupied before any 
meaningful vote on the future of Kashmir can be held.

Since Pakistan has chosen not to comply, India is under no international
obligation to have a plebiscite.

>Call U.N. forces and take Plebiscit.
>

Why? Kashmir is a part of India and any decision on it's fate will be held
under the authority of the GOI and not an outside force.


>>More importantly any referendum will be meaningful only when the thousands
>>of families (predominantly Hindu) who have been driven out of their homes
>>are allowed to return and vote. Creating a reign a terror whereby most
>>minorities choose to leave the valley and then calling for a plebiscite
>>(assuming of course that the overwhelming Muslim majority will vote to
>>seceede, which they might not) seems preposterous.
>
>Hindu and all other minority which has flee Kashmir Valley for any reasons
>(I used any reasons term because some Hindus have left Kashmir because of
>terror while some have left because of uncertainty. Many Muslims have also
>left the Valley.) must go to Kashmir before the Plebiscit.

They were made to leave under threat NOT uncertainty because the political
climate in Kashmir has always been uncertain.



>But Minorities in the Valley makes only 4% of total population.

Maybe. But that can be changed as shown on the West Bank and the Gaza strip.




Samit
From: krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Modern Day Marriages ..
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:43:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: seas.1992Sep6.144306.14489
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science


This seemed like a reel good article in the Deccan Herald by M.G. Poojitha.
I guess it would bring a smile to anyone who went to a wedding in 
India.    
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The wedding season is back again and with it, the prospects of delicious
food, meeting old friends and relatives and displaying Mysore silks, 
Kanjeevaram and Banaras sarees. 

Enter the wedding hall and there the couple is. All eyes are set on the 
two of them. People discuss in whispers their qualifications. 

Everyone wants to please them, but recognising the tremendous responsibility
they are undertaking, one takes a decision to maintain a respectful 
distance from them. 

No, no I am not talking about the bride and the groom, but the videoman
and his assistant.

The reactions to the camera and the cameraman are varied. To all those
in the mantapa, it is a curse. As if the heat emanating from the "homa"
is not enough, the glaring lights of the camera reduce the bride and
groom to a sweat. 

Sincere to his job, the cameraman will not permit any obstacles. The 
purohit who blocks the view is admonished and asked to chant the mantras
from behind. The tying of the mangalasutras is stalled till the camera 
captures the scene. The exchange of garlands is frozen till the cameraman
covered it from every possible angle. Any well-wisher who hangs around 
the couple too long is given a cold stare and asked to move away. 

The guests do not know where to look when the cameraman shifts attention
to them. Do they stare back at the camera or do they continue with 
what they were doing before the camera caught their eye ? I have never 
known the answer. 

At times I wave at a non-existant person behind the cameraman, sometimes
a forced smile, trying to look as normal, demure and unself-consious as
possible. But most often I just turn towards my nearest neighbour( so 
what if I have never seen her before) and start a conversation. 

I particularly dislike being caught unawares. It doesn't leave me with
any alternative but to stare back open-mouthed at the camera. I hate
the idea of being watched on a VCR by a set of highly critical and 
amused relatives behind my back. 

However the worst part is being shot when I am having my food in th e
dining hall. Invariably at all weddings, it is only when I am speaking 
to a friend with my mouth full that the cameraman focusses on me. I 
still do not know whether it is wiser to spit the food out, stare at
the plaintain leaf, stop chewing the food till he passes by or continue
eating. 

All I know is that I go back after every wedding feeling violated, 
exposed and made vulnerable. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Sanjay.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: swami1@troy.uucp (22535-swaminathan)
Subject: Re: Looking for a TALL,DARK and NOT SO HANDSOME GUY for A...
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:53:12 GMT
Keywords: TALL, DARK and NOT SO HANDSOME....

In article <1506@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> farook@cs.uwindsor.ca (FAROOK A WADIA           ) writes:
>Now this posting is only for TALL, DARK and NOT SO HANDSOME looking guys. If you donot satisfy these basic requirements, please skip this article.
>
>I'm looking for guys who fall in the above category for an INDIAN GIRL, who happens to be my classmate. She is only next to Princess DI! For more information
>please contact Ranganathan......rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca
> 

Well, we know that she must be about 23 years old. She was in first
grade in 1973-74. And we also know that she longs to have dimples.
Does she have  dimples? Where?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.history
From: rajat@watson.ibm.com (Rajat Datta)
Subject: Re: Were there universities in India before the British went?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:19:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <BuKqvL.5zI@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
 ... stuff deleted ...
>  I'm not sure it's irrelevant.  "University" is a Latin word and 
>  it may well be that if a North American or European asks "did you
>  have universities" they may be referring specifically to western-
>  style universities.   Or not.  The whole thing hinges on what is
>  mean by "university".    For instance, did the early Chinese civil
>  service schools constitute "universities"?  
>
... stuff deleted ...
>
>  I'm not sure this is a good analogy.   To cite clothing, how would you
>  answer an inquiry along the lines of, "Did Indian businessmen wear suits
>  before the Europeans arrived?"   It becomes necessary then to find the 
... stuff deleted ...
>  
>  The problem is that trying to find 1:1 mappings between things in different
>  cultures often result in awkward nonsense such as when Christian children
>  in America are told that Hanukkah is the "Jewish Christmas".   
>  
>
>---peter
>
>

No, I think when people ask such questions they aren't particularly
interested in what kind of university or what kind of clothing.
They're interested in hearing how Europeans brought civilization to
the benighted heathens.  In that respect it's always amused to hear of
the European priests who came to the new world and to Africa and
taught the natives to survive, which is apparently something they
weren't doing for the thousands of years before the priests came.

-- 
rajat (rajat@watson.ibm.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gangs@src.umd.edu ()
Subject: Info requested on taking a car to India
Originator: gangs@picasso.src.umd.edu
Organization: Systems Research Center, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:33:45 GMT



    Hi everyone,

                 I like to buy a car and take it to India for one of my
    my relations in India. Does anybody have any idea how much customs
    I need to pay on

    a) A car driven here for a while
    b) A new car

    In either case car will be on my name here. I am not transferring 
    residence. So, rules pertaining to TR does not apply in this case.
    I am living in USA for the last four years; a year on B-1 visa and
    three years on F-1 visa.
    
    I appreciate  any information. Thanks a lot !

    please e-mail to gangs@src.umd.edu


    Gangadhar.
From: thaya@Siri.Unit.NO (Thayanantha Balasundaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: suffering
Keywords: biba conjunctions,just don't jump in to 8
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:08:16 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep6.041829.6951@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
 > In article <1992Sep5.170238.19775@ugle.unit.no> news@Ugle.Unit.NO (Thayanantha
   Balasundaram) writes:
 > 
 > cashmir sensoured
 > 
 > >be warning personally
 > >i love your )
 > >thayanantha
 > 
 > 9] I dont know how to break this to you, 
 >    but you're a Replicant.
 >    They stole your mind when they ran out of huskies.
 >    Stay Cool.
 > 
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > .    ~ ~                                                                     .
 > .    o o      signito ergo sum.              paul chemmanoor.                .
 > .     |    i sign therefore i am.            Computer Science department.    .
 > .     =                                      Univ. of Colorado, Boulder.     .
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  i am suffering right now. U will enjoy it's results very very soon.
  
  t the dictator
  tiger thaya

  please do not use ash my sign thanks 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Subject: lines                                                                                                                                                                          lines
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:33:48 GMT



lines lines and nothing but lines :)


Suresh
From: gg27+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gautam Gandhi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Unix finger (Re: DESI FEMALE Looking for Match!)
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:57:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oeh3TIy00WBOQ6IloW
	<1992Sep11.051310.17485@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have never seen so many people get excited about "fingering" a Desi...
From: ragupta@eng.umd.edu (Raghuveer V. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Is it safe to go to India on practical training visa ?
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:36:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Sep13.153654.19900
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

I would like to know if it is safe to go to India on a practical
training visa. I have a multiple entry F1 visa.

Please respond by email only.


-- 

Raghu Gupta
ragupta@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Sanskrit and the Unity of India
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:51:35 GMT

In article <92256.070028RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>I have often wondered how much the success of Israel is due to the fact
>that they adopted a `dead' language as their national language and
>brought it back to life.  Surely it has a lot to do with the consequent
>sense of identity that Israelis (and non-Israeli Jews) have felt.  Of course

I havent read any history book on isreal, but I read EXODUS (Author?).
All I can recollect is that at the time of creation of isreal, there were
literally a handful of people, who were as motivated as a kamikaze pilot.
So they resuscitated everything hebrew.

But now, there is a huge majority in isreal all of who dont know a single word
of herbrew ! (if what the newspapers wrote is right!).  Ofcourse the
isreali govt is perhaps making great effort to `herbrew-ize' the population
which will definitely fail...

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


>Israel is a small country and what they did at independence may not be possible
>for us, 45 years after it.  But perhaps we can find other ways of emphasising
>our national identity.  One of the ways the West is dangerous to us is that
>they provide us with ready made notions of `progress', the direction in
>which we should go.  But it is not clear that this `lazy nation's approach'
>to progress can work for us even if the West left nothing to be
>desired.  We need to think of the future creatively and not imitatively
>but I feel that Indians are capable of that with or without the help
>of Sanskrit.
>
>As for Sankrit as a Computer language, I remember some people at Suny-Buffalo
>who were interested in this, but I have lost touch with them - perhaps some
>SUNY students know more about this.
>
>Rohit Parikh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: THE COW!!
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.201927.5592@odin.corp.sgi.com> hansm@madmats.esd.sgi.com  
(Madhsudan Hans) writes:
> A friend of a friend writes .....
> ----------------------------------
> My friend from Bombay sent me a news paper clipping today.  What appears
> below
> is an exact reprint of one of the articles which appeared in "THE
> AFTERNOON" on
> August 4, 1992.
>  
> I bet you will enjoy this.
  Yes. FYI: Including this, so far, three have posted the same article.
--
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venkat@menudo.uh.edu                  | If it comes back, it is yours.
venkat@uhupvm1.uh.edu                 | If it does not, it never was.
aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu(NeXT mails okay)| 
(713)-923-7773(h) & (713)-743-4250(w) |
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From: ravimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ravi malhotra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Visa Information
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:23:23 GMT
Reply-To: ravimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ravi malhotra)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ravimal@happy.cc.utexas.edu


Hi,
   I  am a  grad student at UT-Austin and I want to call my wife on a F2 visa.
I would like to know whether a F2 visa has been refused, else she could go for
a F1 visa since she will get admission at UTA (most probably).
Anybody with similar experience kindly correspond. 
							thanks
								ravi

ps : Which VISA is easier getting ?  For a  married girl or a single girl. 

my e-mail code is ravimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: wizard@maxine.wpi.edu (Ajay Khanna)
Subject: Re: Why the world should be grateful to the USA!!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:00:14 GMT

The honorable horne@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Horne) chanced to say:
	[patriotic statements deleted]
= 
= This post is in response to all previous articles criticizing the
= great nation of the United States of America.  Your views are
= welcome.  

Gee, Tim.... While I find your patriotism honorable, you have really
provided no evidence to reply to all those "previous articles
criticizing ..."  Think of it as healthy criticism, my man!  Many
people posting to this newsgroup live [temporarily or permanently] in
this country.  By that itself, they are making the statement that the
U.S. has some positive qualities that have attracted them to it.

On the other hand, it seems you have some feelings of insufficiency
about your country which have made you want to deal with it
idealistically rather than realistically.  There are two solutions:
	- stop reading this newsgroup
	- eliminate those feelings

Have a good life!

-dat friendly wizard

p.s. gee, maybe we should have an FAQ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: DEFENCE - Following the Wrong footsteps?
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:33:08 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: soc.culture.Indian
Summary: DEFENCE - Following the wrong footsteps?
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

One major problem, IMO, that has lead to the continuing decline of
the U.S. of A. as a major economic force has been its defence
budget. With high priority on defence, most of the resources and
talent is drawn into 'military work'. This drains out the 'thinking
few' from 'business' to defence - leaving it less competitive
globally. Another prime example is the former U.S.S.R..

India seem to be following suit. I do realise the importance of
defence, and the need to annihilate Pakisthan if we are attacked or
if their support for 'terroism' continues, but we might be going
down the wrong direction with our talent(as the U.S. or U.S.S.R.).
We might be/are making the same mistakes as the U.S. and the
U.S.S.R.. (Japan and the former W. Germany are, IMO, the other
extreme - lesser emphasis on defence and more on business - They
were probably forced into this situation). 

Any comments?

Could some kind soul provide more information on the defence
budget. Its % to the GDP.

John Ainikkal                                     
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
Subject: Re: Looking for a TALL,DARK and NOT SO HANDSOME GUY for A...
Keywords: TALL, DARK and NOT SO HANDSOME....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.155312.44@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> swami1@troy.uucp (22535-swaminathan) writes:
>
>Well, we know that she must be about 23 years old. She was in first
>grade in 1973-74. And we also know that she longs to have dimples.
>Does she have  dimples? Where?

Naughty, naughty ....

In the same vein, I wonder what "chubby cheeks" refer to ;-P

If it's what I think it is, we have the following equation:

Turning_the_other_cheek = mooning_at_a_different_angle

Deep thoughts, eh ? 

:)

**sridhar**
From: irshad@moby.micro.umn.edu (Irshad A. Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: test please ignore.
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:48:53 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS

In article <9068@cimshop.UUCP> rdiwakar@HP-UX (R Diwakar) writes:
>
>          This is a test.

Hi you and other "testers",

It would be nice if you stop posting these 
silly tests in this newsgroup.

Irshad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY)
Subject: Re: Speeding Ticket
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 SEP 92 14:56:20    

In article <192mr0INNh8e@overload.lbl.gov>, prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes...

> 
>>>Any Suggestions will be helpfull
> 
>	1. Watch out for the bastards next time you drive.
>	   Be _VERY_ careful approaching an underpass (flyover/bridge etc.)
>	   The usually hide behind the bridge supports.
> 
>	2. Get a radar detector.
> 
>	Good Luck. If anyone else has a few more hints to add, I'd 
>	appreciate it.
How about obeying the speed limit? It is based on the judgement on what is
safe for the population, including, perhaps, some senior citizen with
slower reflexes who doesn't adapt well to you cutting in front of them
or perhaps some inexperienced driver, a teen-ager or someone unfamiliar
with the area.

>================================================================================
From: farook@cs.uwindsor.ca (FAROOK A WADIA           )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Test
Keywords: none
Date: 9 Sep 1992 00:59:50 GMT

Yet Another Fucking Indian joins the gang !!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:39:37 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.103219.10271@ecrc.de> sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) writes:
>In article <1992Sep09.183921.28879@ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:



>>He was imprisoned, after being arrested for the murder in 
>>jail of Shyamaprasad
>>Mukherjee, who was the leader of the Hindu Mahasabha at that 
>>time.  

>>Vivek.



>FALSE!  B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T, in fact.  You could do well to learn your history.
>First,  all investigations, including his doctor's statement, show that
>Shyamaprasad Mookherji was *not* murdered.  

Was *any* investigation, other than "His Doctor's Statement",  conducted 
into Shyamaprasad Mukherjee's death? And "His Doctor's Statement" was also by
that doctor who was appointed by Sheikh Abdullah to look after SPM while
in prison. Jan Sangh's requests to Nehru to send *his* own doctor to SPM 
in prison, as I remember reading a long time back, were not accepted.

>- Sanjiva



---raj
From: sudesh@utkal.njit.edu (T. J. Sudesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: IN SEARCH OF SURESH S. (GRAD FROM ANNA UNIV)
Keywords: IN SEARCH OF SURESH S. (GRAD FROM ANNA UNIV)
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:42:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Hi guys,
                Greetings!!
		I am looking for a guy named suresh subramaniam,who did his
	undergrad with me (Anna Univ in madras).I would greatly appreciate if 	          someone could give me his e-mail address.
				The only thing I know about him is that he
	is some where in south/north carolina.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30541 soc.culture.tamil:1993
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Vedas are NOT shit ( was Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:37:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UeezKjO00VooMQ5lsl
	<1992Sep04.213607.126603@
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I also think that rig Vedas are crude writings compiled from Aryan scripts.
Hinduism will do fine without it. I'll take Bhagwath Geeta to heart and
put the Vedas where they ought to be: in the closet! 

Has anyone seen the Aug. 14-45 India Today?  Comical pictures of BJP are
in it. These guys, while claiming to uphold Hinduism, are making a
complete mockery of it. Dirty, pitiless bunch of politicians exploiting
the
weakness of the mass. Their fertilizer: Hindu Vs. Muslim tensions..

I'm surprised they have come up this far. And I bet they sleep w/ the Vedas.

And I wrote this for the Ayatullah Gopalaswamy.  See the parallels?

suresh
'purRatchi manithan'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Satellite TV programs info request
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:20:07 GMT

Dear SCIans,

Would any kind soul please mail any information of TV programs
in Hindi via Satellites. Would appreciate the day, time, satellite
and channel information. All responses will be posted as a summary.
Thanx in advance.

Yasin.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian