HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:51:07 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Originator: jns@rac2.wam.umd.edu


 
Roger Phillips (roger@quantime.co.uk), my
beloved but occasionally misquided twin,
is speaking of Havergal Brian:

> But if you want a drive-thru quickie,
> I'd settle for his 21st Symphony,
> which lasts 19 minutes.
> (Or was that the other way around?)

Gosh, when did he become a minimalist?

--jns  [once               >     [impressed,
        more               >     despite
        rather             >     myself,
        surprised          >     that my
        that my            >     twin,
        twin, who          >     stuck in
        can be             >     the
        remarkably         >     colonies
        provincial         >     though he
        at times,          >     is, is in
        isn't aware        >     touch
        of trade           >     with the
        with us            >     work of
        here               >     dear old
        in the             >     Havergal,
        colonies;          >     but
        why, I'm           >     nevertheless
        sure that          >     making an
        he'd be            >     all-out
        surprised          >     assault
        to hear            >     on the
        that I'm           >     thinnest
        even *aware*       >     sign-off
        of Sir             >     record,]
        Arnold             >---
        Bax.]              >     Roger Phillips
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: PLEASE CALL PETE WILSON!!! [Phone For Gay Civil Rights!]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:31:26 -0400
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Apparently the results are coming in and the calls are in FAVOR of a veto of
the Gay Rights Bills on Pete Wilson's desk...

There are only TWO WEEKS'S LEFT for him to sign the bill(s)!!!

Please call Pete Wilson and tell him to SIGN INTO LAW AB2601, AB3825 and
AB3019!

Here are a few numbers for the Governor's various offices:

        (916)445-2841   Gov's Sacramento Office VOICE number
        (916)445-4633   Gov's Sacramento Office FAX number
        (916)445-5106   Gov's Chief of Staff's Office
        (916)445-0658   Gov's Legislative Office
        (415)703-2218   Gov's San Francisco Office
        (213)897-0322   Gov's Los Angeles Office
        (619)525-4641   Gov's San Diego Office


---
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"I will never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care
what the facts are." -- George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the USA.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:54:59 GMT

In article <mcmelmon-150992101046@mcmelmon.apple.com> mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Still using 'Boob?'  Such a penetrating wit - but then, you do need a
>penetrating *something* now, don't you, dear?

As always, it's so useful to have someone demonstrate the
positive correlation between stupidity and misogyny.  Thanks
so much.

>Isn't thinking about testosterone terribly painful for you?

It makes me barf.  Stand a little closer, dear.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hate Mail
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:35:48 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Sep10.083239.29216@wam.umd.edu>,
jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

> [...]
> when it comes
> to word puzzles I always defer to my more
> clever twin-brother Rog.
> 
> [Who, by the way, has little else to 
>  entertain him, living virtually as a
>  castaway on that itsy-bitsy island.]

Oh?  And precisely *what* is the *right* size for an island,
sweetness?

Some of us *prefer* an island which is a nice, comfortable
mouthful, to a Great Donkey-Dick of a country like the ones
*some* people live in.

>-P

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:56:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep15.002821.27197@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
| 
| By knowing people, it becomes very hard to look them in the eye and
| then discriminate against them.

Tell that to the Bosnians.

Don't get me wrong, Bob -- it's a great fucking theory.  I really,
really, *really* wish it were true.  But, there are too many counter-
examples.  Lots of people discriminate against people who are in groups
that they know well.  Christ on a crutch, look at gender discrimination.

| (fritzs)
| /The large German-American population did not prevent 
| /incredibly-vicious anti-German-culture propoganda in the US during WWI.
| /Middle-class Japanese-American communities did not stop the amazingly-
| /racist Hollywood movies during WWII.  
| 
| What a govt does under wartime, whipping the people up, is not quite the
| same as what I am talking about.  Straw man.

Nope.  Religious crusades like the latest Republican one in Houston or
the OCA nastiness in Oregon have a lot in common with war preparations.

| So it is your assertion that personal knowledge of a member of a minority
| has _no_effect_whatsoever on how that minority is viewed or treated?
| 
| Dig yourself out of that one, Fritz.

"No effect" is silly, Bob.  Your assertion that lots of "normal-looking"
gays will make Joe and Mary Sixpack turn into tolerant liberals just
doesn't pass the test of data.  From what I gather, the Omaha Pride parade
is a model of conservative, non-flamboyant behavior.  Has anyone noted 
that their exemplary civility has caused a flurry of nondiscrimination
in Nebraska?  And the Log Cabin Club is very clean-cut.  Yet I can
tell you about quite rude behavior of GOP members toward them, and I
don't remember a lot of civility thrown their way in Houston.

| And, since you can't legislate a change of heart, what do *you* think 
| was the point of all the cross-cultural US-Soviet exchanges of the 1980s?
| The ones that were meant to remove the boogieman of the "evil Russians"
| from the minds of Americans?  Did those exchanges have any real effects 
| at the one-on-one level, or not?

"Little Ivan was so well-mannered.  Not like those *other* Russians."

| /(fritzs)
| /What do you mean by "naturally"?
| 
| Unfaked.  Unpracticed.  Would act that way no matter where they grew
| up, under whatever conditions.

Please define your control group.

| /(fritzs)
| /Look around you on the net -- the personas you "see" in this virtual
| /space are well rehearsed.
| 
| Of course.  This net is filled with alter egos.  What does that prove
| (except to reinforce my point)?

"Alter egos"?  So, what personality is real?  How tall was King Kong?

   Fritz

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: 277-4653
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:21:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.030528.25465@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>>alexander adams, or alex adams, is the name
>>i use whenever it's important that i have a recognizable name but not
>>important that i use my real name - in making reservations, for
>>instance.  no one ever gets it wrong, while what people make of
>>"arnold zwicky" is not to be believed.
>
>Mine was Ann Armstrong (ok, mr linguist, are double
>initials A somehow easier on the brain/ear/tongue?).

Dono.  Elisa's full last name is "Arespacochaga" (go wild, you crazy
linguists, you), so she usually uses "Ares" when making reservations.
People still screw it up, but it's not quite as bad as Arespacochaga.

On the other hand, she will usually respond whenever anyone pauses
more than a couple of seconds before stating a last name.  It's
usually her.

(And what people make of "Elisa" is not to be believed.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 13:20:34 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon):
> Melmac the Unmentionable Nazi War Crimnal (sp)

i find it utterly revolting that you have been using these
Nazi characterizations as humor quite consistently and not
a little disturbing that you continue to paint yourself as
a *Nazi*.  tell me, melon, just precisely what you find
so amusing in allying yourself with the extermination of
the jews?  are you the victim of a failed abortion which
claimed your brain?
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: How Egalitarian are Homosexual Relationships?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:20:06 GMT

Lest we forget, just because the members of a couple are the same sex
doesn't mean that there can't be factors that can be used to make
broad sweeping assumptions about who's the one 'in charge' (age, height,
race, social standing, intellect, etc...).

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: advice sought: handling on-street harassment
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:38:04 GMT

ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
: > What, if anything, of a legal, political, tactical or organizational nature
: > can be done about such occurences?  Can they be arrested for assault, sued,
: > reported to the police or city hall?  [...]
: 
: Get a bunch of people together.  Surround them.  Have the women start
: singing loudly "Fuck God, Fuck God, Fuck God Dead."  Have the men start
: chanting "Prince of evil!  Lord of Darkness!  Eater of Christian
: babies!  Our Master Below!  Hail Satan!  Hail Satan!"  Play accordians.
: 
: That should drive the pests off.
: 
... and the accordions should drive everyone else off.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:06:03 GMT

"Psycho" was on AMC last night. I'm glad I watched it. 


Kathy

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:26:26 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <72133@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>>Melmac the Unmentionable
>>(being compared to a product that does 6 billion + per year doesn't
>>seem to be a particularly harsh fate...)

>And he's not joking here.  QED.

Indeed.  He completely fails to see the point of being compared to mass-
produced plasticware from the '50s, being completely content with the fact
that people mindlessly buy into it wholesale.

Sounds like a Republican to me.  Mass-produced plasticware from the '50s.

--Brent
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:36:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep9.133629.27084
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep9.084820.16234@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Maybe this is urban legend material, but isn't there a medicinal drug
>that people take that makes people have orgasms when they yawn?

Some people.  Some _very special_ people.

>(my first memory is "Rogaine", which if I am to believe my first two
>Psych lectures means that "Rogaine" is probably correct. I'm pretty
>sure I can rule it out, though :-)

Rogaine is topical minoxidil, the high blood pressure medication
which sometimes causes hair regrowth when applied to the skin.
It doesn't any any effect on orgasms or sneezes.

The antiobsessional antidepressant clorimipramine (Anafranil)
is the drug which has been reported to cause orgasms in a few
women when they sneeze.  It appears to be a idiosyncratic
side effect; the drug more frequently causes "anorgasmia",
delayed or inhibited orgasm, in both women and men.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:27:52 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <65586@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
   writes:
> Unfortunately, the whole thing is a hoax; the Austrian newspaper
> that originally reported this has admitted that the whole thing
> was made up (at least about Otzi having cum up his bum).
> 
> We recieved a faxed warning about this story at work yesterday,
> from the source that originally distributed it.

     Does this then become the "World's oldest urban legend"?

     Wait till the Pop Culture Researchers get their hands on this!
-- 

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
(w): 419-537-2629      fac2813@uoft01                            *   
(h): 419-243-2740      fac2813@uoft01.utoledo.edu         B4 t+ w- g s+ k
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From: crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Lesbian/Gay Square Dancing (great idea!!) :)
Organization: Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:04:55 GMT
Summary: Ughhh, I hate square dancing...

In article <1992Sep10.230424.5145@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater ) writes:
> Hi!  I saw the post on gay/lesbian square dancing...please send me all
> the info you have on this as I LOVE country and western music and I
> LOVE to dance!!!  
> 

Now am I the only one to have an allergic reaction to square dancing?

I grew up in redneck, intolerant, reactionary small-town Western Canada
(you can tell how much I enjoyed THAT) and to me all that stuff sounds
like the music of our oppression. Even a lot of country and western 
(except of course for the late, great Patsy Cline, whose hurtin' tunes
have healed my oft broken heart...) has this effect on me.

We HAD to learn square dancing in school -- Social Dance, it was called --
and I can two-step, polka and even butterfly even to this day. But I HATE
it

To this day I cannot hear that stuff without being reminded of pickup
trucks with gun racks, and getting drunk in the only bar in the whole
dusty town....
-- 
Kevin Crombie		Public Access Unix
UUCP:  {dalcs,ulowell}!iisat!crombie
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: wanted: Gay/Lesbian professional group in S. Cal
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:29:52 GMT
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico

A friend of mine is a lesbian, computer professional in Southern California.
She is looking for groups/activities that allow her to meet similar people.
I know there is (was?) a group in the S.F. bay area called High Tech Gays.
Does this group or anything similar to it exist in S. Cal?

Thanks in advance for any contacts you can provide.

***********************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico  Computing Services
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay & Lesbian Sierrans of California
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:05:36 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <9209102041.AA06519@mizar.usc.edu> angus@mizar.usc.edu writes:
>
>Oct. 10, Sat O:  Oct. 10, Sat O:  Deep Creek Hike and Soak.
>Discover a beautiful hot springs in the San Bernardino Mtns.  Easy hike (3 mi
>RT, 500' gain), except for a brief downhill portion by the creek.  Clothing is
>optional.  Meet at 9 am.  NOTE:  the final stretch of the carpool is on a rough
>dirt road.  Cars with good clearance only!  Call for more information.  Brad
>(213) 931-7826

This place is a lot of fun (I went during the '89 Western Naturist Gathering).
You can hike nude, if you want, as well as being nude at the creek. There
really is a "deep creek" that you can cool off in after soaking in the
hot water.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wrobboy@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (William Robboy)
Subject: Re: Joan Kroc (was: Torch Song Trilogy)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:47:48 GMT

jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:

>In article <18r0nmINN2n1@mizar.usc.edu>, 
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> 
>> You shouldn't be all that surprised about McDonald's.  Mrs. Kroc 
>> (whose first name I can't ever remember), 

>Joan (If recall correctly.)

Right!

>She's one of the good things about San Diego and one of the richest
>women in America...and republicans fear her.  Joan, Mayor Maureen
>O'Conner

Oops, wrong. O'Connor.

>(who led the S.D. pride parade this year), and Helen Cropley

Oops, wrong. Copley.

>(who owns the local papers)

And not just the local ones. Copley is a nationwide newspaper chain.

>have been described as the power brokers
>of San Diego.  You can bet they make the old boy network sweat.   

I'm not sure how much of a threat Copley is to them, apart from being
female. Her late spouse James, from whom she inherited the empire, was
deeply reactionary, and if Helen brought a change of spirit to the
company, I'm not aware of it. But I'd be pleased to hear otherwise.

Bill Robboy
wrobboy@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
blawlrwy@uiamvs.bitnet
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:22:03 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <15191@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@degas.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>This has happened SO MANY times on television: the fundie 'phobe says
>that we want 'special rights.'  The pro-gay person asks what 'special
>rights' entail.  The host cuts in with "We'll get back to that right
>after these messages."  And, of course, they never do.

Even if someday we discover that we *do* have special rights, heterosexuals
can always enjoy those same rights by pretending to be homosexual.  So
nobody is really being denied anything.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: boobs
Date: 13 Sep 1992 04:49:49 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug31.202937.21238@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>while we're on the subject, would it be possible to concoct a
>reasonable Breast Tour of North America?  the Grand Tetons, of course,
>and The Nipples, east of barstow, ca.  anything else?  is it too much
>to hope that there's a town called Areola?  or Bosom?  would there
>be just terrible long empty spaces with nothing breasty in them?

This made me remember my "Grand Tetons" t-shirt and how happy I am to
no longer have to work in an office full of people so oblivious that
they would never be able to figure out on their own why it might be
considered funny for a woman to have "Grand Tetons" written across her
chest.  :-)

>while we're on female body parts and hippophiles: how about a hymn or
>two to women's hips and hip bones?  (we can save men's hips for

The group "Girls in the Nose" does a song called, I think (someone's
borrowing my tape at the moment), "These Hips", from some semi-famous
(in women's movement circles) poem.  I'm trying to remember some of
the lines, about how these hips are big hips and can't be tamed, that
kind of thing, but all that comes clearly to mind is some funny part
that goes "make my pelvic bone your home and you will never want to
roam".  :-)

>and since there really *isn't* any subject here, i guess i could point
>out that it was probably me and not jess anderson that john graves had
>in mind when he said that jess had said he had no religion any more.
>all of us over-fifties look and sound alike, y'know.

I have a hazy memory of all this, but I thought that might have been
referring to an interchange of some time ago where John was saying
that some basic questions about life were by definition "religious
questions" and Jess was disagreeing.

-- 
 ____________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: How Egalitarian are Homosexual Relationships?
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.121638.733@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>There was someone in another newsgroup who made the claim that
>even in homosexual relationships, there is essentially always a
>dominant and a submissive partner. 

Hey man, my SO and I happen to be of different genders, and damned if I
can figure out whose the "dominant partner" and whose the "submissive
partner."

marshall
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