HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:58:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct5.173110.29129@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes...
>Given that Al Jr. was leading the points (by one) going
>into this weekend's Nazareth race, I'm somewhat amazed that
>Galles chose this time to shake-out the new chassis.  Yes,
>it had been planned for awhile, but if I were Rick and/or Al,
>I think I would've decided against it and stayed with the '92
>chassis.  Of course it's 20/20, but I feel that Al would've had
>a better run than he did, thereby gaining more points.
> 
Perhaps Galles has to make a decision on which chassis to run next year 
and the longer he puts that decision off, the more money it costs him.
I think the results would of been the same. It is my understanding that
the 93 is only a slight departure from the 92 and is no worse (and perhaps
no better) than the 92. Certainly, if it were worse, Sullivan would of
drew the test duty. As it stands, both chassis need fine tuning when
it comes to high speed turns. Not being able to trust the car during
turns at Nazareth in traffic had to be scary. 

On a related note, how good is the Truesports chassis ? Rahal seemed
to think it worth risking next years title hopes (he has to be the
favorite with Andretti gone) on. I have not been keeping tabs on Pruett
so I can't comment. I just hope he isn't trying to relive the glory
days with Jim Trueman through this move. (It will still be the sharpest
looking car with that Miller Genuine Draft paint job on it :-)

George.
From: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell goes to Indycars
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 22:55:43 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:

> 
> In article <q12mRB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>,
> dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick) writes:
> |>
> I don't think that would have helped, since the race was in Montreal.  :-)

Oops.

Thanks to the gentleman who put up the statistics on DNFs etc.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Prediction of Japanese Grand Prix
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:32:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
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1. Mansell
2. Senna
3. Schmacher
4. Hakkinen
5. Alesi
6. Brundle
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RE: IndyCar/Nazareth:  "Style and grace" -- NOT!
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:25:17 GMT


pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
-Howdy!
-I got a different impression of Michael's acceptance of
-his 2nd place finish ... seemed kinda whiny to me.

-He complained the final yellow was too long -- giving Rahal
-the extra low--speed laps necessary to stretch that last fillup to
-the end.  He admitted it was his call to pit for the final (3rd stop)
-fillup -- but "the crew coulda waved me off -- they didn't have to fill
-me up."  Sheesh!

-He was probably really disappointed at the time; and maybe I've
-become "repetitively-conditioned" to expect it; but Michael didn't say
-one decent thing about the fact his crew got the engine to hang the
-whole distance, that they got him out a lap up on Emmo on that previous
-stop, they got him the pole, etc.  Hmmm ... forgetting where your
-bread is buttered, Michael?

-Actually, I'm a blue-oval-fan; I was disappointed that Michael
-handled the post-race interview so poorly.  I took heart that all the
-XB's finished!  Was Cheever the only Ganassi car entered?

This is a typical response for this newgroup.  Here you have terrific
2 hr Indy car race.  There was tremendous dicing; a fairly spectacular
crash with no one hurt; some great pit stop strategy (Rahal) and 2 of
the top 4 contenders scraping it out until the very end.  The results
should make Laguna Seca a great end of season race.  But I guess its
not enough for some folks.  They've got to have a wonderful, emotionally,
fullfilling end of race interview.  'Oh geeez guys, I drove my heart
out and I'm so proud of all my crew and Texaco is the most wonderful
sponsor and the bluelight specials are just sublime.  I'm so happy
to be alive. I'm so lucky.. thank you Jesus, thank you Dad, thank
you Ford, thank you ESPN, thank you Rec.auto.racing...'  Give the guy
a break.  He just provided 2 hours of entertainment for you and he
drove his ass off and he risked his butt big time in the process as
did all the other drivers.  But apparently they've all got to be
charm school grads these days.  Well no thanks.  I'll take a winy
Michael Andretti, an arrogant Aryton Senna and an ungrateful Nigel
Mansell any day to most other massaged, phoney-baloney public figures
I see.  Hanging your ass out in a 1550 lb race car at 180+ is good
enough for me.  Being a nice guy is not required.

--Terry
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From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Subject: Methonal (was Re: What is indy car about.)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:18:59 GMT
Reply-To: andyw@meaddata.com

In article 15168@ncube.com, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>flame control.  Water is an effective methanol fire fighting agent.
>Methanol burns with a non-luminous flame in daylight conditions.  As an
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Haven't they started putting an additive into the fuel to give it a more
visible flame?  I know this was discussed a couple years ago... not sure 
if they have done it yet.  Was this brought up in response to Little Al getting
fuel dumped into his cockpit at Cleaveland?

>aside, because methanol can be made from many materials including wood
>and garbage, it is considered a renewable resource.
>
>So basically, I disagree with your inference that safety had no part in
>Indycars choice to go with methanol.
>
>cball
>



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From: abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Car racing classes
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:06:42 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
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Hi!

I got a very basic and probably FAQ question:

What are the different racing classes/formulas currently active? What
are the (technical) differences? How did these classes change over
the years? What are the classes for old/classic cars? Europe/USA/
International? 

Mayby someone out there is good with car racing history?

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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:37:45 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Cory James Padfield writes:
>
>      This is an interesting thread. I would like to include more
>than just 5/3. For drivers, I think most would agree to the following
>as leading drivers:
[...]
>     And since I am recalling 1989, Alessandro Nannini's name pops into
>my mind. He was really showing that year, and Benetton was finally coming
>into their own. I think if he was still in F1,he would be a top five driver
>easily. Please no flames on this- if Rob U can put Rick Mears and Al Jr. in
>the top five, then I can put Sandro in.

That sounds fair.  So if you can put Sandro in it, here are my five (loosly
ordered):

1. Jim Clark
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Juan Fangio
4. Alain Prost
5. Richard Petty or Nuvolari, I can't decide

Dan Jones


From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 11:14:08 GMT
Subject: Brundle
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com

	Has Brundle signed for Williams for next season ?

	Has anybody signed for Williams for next season ?


	Cheers,


		RIK


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Subject: Help on ESPN coverage.
From: dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix)
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:54:11 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Agricultural Company
Nntp-Posting-User: dmmatt

In article <1992Sep28.030917.7252@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg) writes:
> 
>       Well,that was a pretty entertaining race.....We were fortunate to
> have it live this morning on TSN,and since ESPN wasn't broadcasting live we
> got the bonus of listening to the Murray and James show from the BBC feed.
> They blow ESPN away!
> 
  Even when ESPN does not broadcast live they tape delay the race.  Anyone know
when it is?  I live in the New Orleans area and the most information I get 
about F1 is here. (They think racing lifted Pickups down Highway 90 is REAL
racing).  My house is surrounded by large Oak trees and so I don't have a dish,
I really would like to see the race.

Thanks

-- 
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From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: The Menstrual Cycle and Andretti Bashing
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:58:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: umassd.Bv8pH0.D78
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.

In article <#40n3bb@lynx.unm.edu>, trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com writes:
>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . Like clock work, its 'Bash an Andretti'
>>time about once a month.  Of course 'Mr Pizza face' has quieted
>>most of the bashers with his aggressive, masterful drives plus
>>his move to F1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>
>>--Terry
>
>At least we keep the Andretti bashes to matters of driving and
>generally avoid dermatological issues.
>
Ok, if we can't bash the male Andrettis and their dermatological
issuses....howabout Sandy Andretti and her K-Mart Fashions and
her solid gold sunglasses....   :-)
From: crash@hal.com (Chris Craddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Televised Events #92-38
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:55:54 GMT
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In article <25819@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel) writes:
|>  - a nice table [deleted for brevity]

Does anyone know if the Bathurst Touring Car race (or even highlights)
will be televised in the US (ESPN/TNN or PPV). 

thaanx
Chris
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From: rsm@doe.carleton.ca (Raul San Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:25:23 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <1992Sep28.061139.26234@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:

>TSN showed the live feed with BBC commentators this morning on Canadian
...
>Mansell, but the one on Senna has remained. TSN this morning was
>tasteless enough to cut off Senna's interview 5 seconds into Senna's
>reply to the first question when they realized that Senna was not
>replying in English. That was an extremely impolite and offensive thing
>to do.

I couldn't agree more! Shame on TSN. I was anxiously waiting for Senna's
interview (and I could understand it) and then this happens. Frustrating...
Does anyone know what happened with his car?

rsm.
From: cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mansell's Number "1" ??
 CC:
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:55:00 GMT
Organization: Junior, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



    Bob varsho was saying during last nights tape delay of Estoril that
william's gets to keep Mansell's right to sport number "1" for winning
the championship.
    Is this true?  If so how do they decide which driver gets it?  Does
this seem right?  
    I think it stinks!! Its bad enough that Mansell was shafted big time
by Williams, but now his HARD earned number one is going to be pasted on
some other underserving driver's car.
    If Mansell is not going to be around to claim his "one" then I do
not think anyone should.  

Carl
Redfive Rules!!
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From: pod@cs.su.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: SOMEONE PLEASE CLARIFY SENNA/PROST/WILLIAMS etc CONFUSION
Reply-To: pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:24:19 GMT
Keywords: FORMULA ONE - Confusion on F1 Rumors

In article <1abb52INNm2q@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:
>***  What I can't understand is - if Frank wanted Senna so badly, why
>didn't he sign Senna up when Senna so publicly announced his intentions
>to drive for Williams for nothing.  If Prost had just been signed, that
>means Williams had not signed Prost up at the Senna made the 'free
>drive' announcement.  If Frank wanted Senna to drive for him and he
>didn't sign Prost yet, wouldn't it be so easy to just take up Senna's
>offer to drive for free?  There would have been no impediments to sign
>Senna since Frank wasn't committed to anyone.  Please explain.
>-  Frank Williams is offering Ron Dennis a supply of Renault engines for
>1993 in exchange for Senna.  In turn, Williams will give Prost to
>McLaren.
>***  Again it just doesn't add up.  Why should Frank go through all
>this trouble if he wanted Senna in the first place.  Why did he sign
>Prost up when in fact he wanted Senna?

Its odd isn't it?  Maybe Renault have something to do with it.  They may
be pressuring F.W. into taking on Prost although we've seen in the past
that F.W. doesn't take that kind of crap from his suppliers.  I also
don't understand him offering Renault engines in exchange for Senna - he
can't hold Senna in that high regard; what's Senna going to do, pedal the
damn car? - that must be some kind of smokescreen.  

On a similar note, I can't imagine Mclaren being ecstatic about Renault
engines from Ligier.  Williams has the factory support and the latest
bits and if we can believe the stuff about Renault wanting to support a
French driver, that will be unlikely to change.  

Maybe some of this will become clear, but I doubt it.  We're still
not really sure why Williams lost Honda engines in the first place.
Was it because F.W. told them to get stuffed re Nakajima or was it
because Honda didn't trust a quadraplegic to run a team?

Paul
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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal Q1
Date: 26 Sep 1992 14:04:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira) says:

>
>   In article <9209251931.AA07188@yngvi.wbst147>
>   MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson) writes:
>
>   - Wendlinger is still at March (well, they gave his name in the rundown
>     of the preliminary grid; it could have been an oversight) rather than
>     having been replaced by Lammers as anticipated.
>
>
>It is great to see Jan back!  He should have never left F1.  Too bad


Now that the WSCC is gone I think we'll see alot of has been F1 drivers
try to return.  I think Autoweek speculated that Schlesser would going
to drive for Sauber.
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Portugal
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:13:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



I was just doing my work when suddenly this thought popped into my mind:

In 1992 at the Portugal Grand Prix, Mansell has perfect pit stop, the
crew does their job and gets him out with no problems.

Then Patrese pits and something goes wrong on his left rear.
I'm not accusing anyone, but I wonder if a Williams member purposely
disabled the air jack?  The air jacks worked fine for Mansell.
From: cymru@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (mark.williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Portugese GP - spoilers
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:53:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Oct1.145345.4607
Organization: AT&T

Just some personal observations ....

The weather during the weekend was changeable. It changed from very hot
to very cold to very windy to torrential rain. And that was just Saturday
morning ! I think this gave the teams some problems with tyre selection
and settings - the track and conditions were totally unpredicable,
although for the race it was clear but very hot.

From trackside that was the most difficult race to follow I've ever
seen. We figured out that Mansell won, but could not even guess at
who came second. Those pit-stops (which we couldn't see) really
messed with our minds. (On the victory lap a Portugese guy pointed
at Nige and asked me "Mansell or Patrese ?". And I thought I found
it difficult !!).
Brundle and Hakkinen provided all the entertainment (that Finn just
gets better and better), they must have passed each other 6 or 7
times before the Lotus couldn't keep up anymore. Shame the TV showed
none of it.
Schumacher tore through the back markers in the opening laps - very
impressive - until he came to Comas and got stuck there. Either he
ruined his tyres or the Renault engine was too much for him.

A question for netland - the circuit used to be called "Autodromo do
Estoril" but is now "Autodromo Fernanda Pires da Silva".
Who is this person ?

Mark.
From: bruce@egh-qc.uucp (Bruce Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: 2nd seat at team Willy
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:27:40 GMT
Organization: Surgical Materials Testing Lab (SMTL)

The BBC's teletext this lunchtime was including Johnny Herbert among the
favourites for the spare seat at Williams.

Apparently the move would help ease problems at both teams.

Lack of cash for Lotus and lack of driver for Williams.

Bruce.
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Keywords: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:03:29 GMT
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Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <1992Oct5.211711.22652@sequent.com>, dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
|> 
|> I frankly cannot understand the cloying arrogance displayed by the F1     
|> worshipers in their beliefs about the role of technology in racing.  Clearly,
|> sports have more to do with sociology than technology


Perhaps if you like athletics or something. I don't know if you've noticed but
they use racing cars in F1 and Indycar, and the technological race has always,
since the beginning of motor racing, played an important part in the sport. F1
in particular is the international showpiece of motor racing technology and 
people are just as interested in the technology as the drivers, circuits etc.
Surely you've seen the voluminous discussions recently on the desmodromic valve
Ferrari engine - why do you think people were discussing it, yes, they're
interested in it, it's part of the sport. Have you ever seen a discusion on Indycar
technology, other than in comparison with F1?? Not that I can remember - that says's
it all really doesn't it.

|> I think that the IndyCar folks have a type that is
|> more suitable to close racing and fan interest than F1.

Formula Ford is probably better if that's all you're interested in, but then
Indycar is like FF, right? :-)

|> Dave Fuller	

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:06:49 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 12544@news.clarkson.edu, taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
(Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:

> I would wonder how
> the McLaren crew could concentrate on changing tires while Air Williams
> was inaugurating its new flights down the straight not too far from
> where they must have been.

Professionalism, tinged with fear of Ron Dennis :-)

The year Richard Seaman won the German GP driving for Mercedes-Benz
(1938 or thereabouts) his car was started (hand crank) during the last
refueling stop while a fire raged in the pit ahead, by a mechanic whose
own coveralls were ablaze.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Between 20 and 30 percent of the gross national product of the
     United States comes from high energy physics.
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From: miller@convex.com (Ken Miller)
Subject: Monday @ Martinsville - NASCAR
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Billsburg, Va., USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:17:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Rain is once again falling at Martinsville. Radar shows a window in
possibly an hour... provided they can dry the track.

Ken
miller@convex.com
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