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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:06:55 CDT
From:         PAVLUSJ@randb.abbott.com
Subject:      News item for PACSL

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
From:	Jim Pavlus, Library Systems Manager, Abbott Labs Library
Subject: TECHLIB
         I am coordinating the LIBRARY SIG sessions for the IDEA
         meeting to be held this November in Columbus.  Although that
         seems like a long way off, I need to have the agenda
         finalized soon - by the end of April.  I would like to have 3
         different types of sessions: papers, roundtable discussion,
         and ballot discussion.  If you have a suggestion for a topic
         to be covered, or, better yet, would like to present, please
         let me know.  (Feel free to 'volunteer' someone else too.)

         Time is short, so your comments need to reach me within the
         next few weeks.  You can contact me via any of the following:
         	Internet: pavlusj@randb.abbott.com
         	Fax:      (708)937-2013
         	Desk:	  (708)937-4514
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:23:15 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Finding Guides using FTP

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From: Paul Jones <pjones@mento.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Hitchhikers Guide ... where can I find it
The Hitch-hikers' Guide and serveral other interesting documents are available
 via
anonymous ftp from ftp.oit.unc.edu in pub/docs.
Paul Jones
Office FOR Information Technology
UNC
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From: "Jill Powell" <jill_powell@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu>
Subject: Hitchhikers & Navigating
        Reply to:   Hitchhikers & Navigating
Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet is filename rfc1118.txt on nis.nsf.net.  See
below for the commands:

anonymous FTP to nis.nsf.net
cd publications
cd rfc
get rfc1118.txt

Now, can someone tell me where I can ftp Navigating the Internet, by Richard
Smith?

Thanks,
Jill Powell, Engineering Library, Cornell University
Jill_Powell@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu


Zen and the Art of the Internet
Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet

I have got the first one. Is the Hitchhikers also an email book downloadable
like the Zen? If yes, where is it possible to find it?

Thanks for the information.

Alain Delmotte     Agrometeorology / FAO         or   Avenue du Marathon, 6
                   Via delle Terme di Caracalla       B1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
                   I00100 Rome ITALY                  BELGIUM
                   tel.: Italy-6-5797 5504            Belgium-10-45 11 92

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From:         Gail Persily <GPERSILY@UCSFVM>
Subject:      NNSC Hypercard guide to Internet
Thank you to all who responded to my request on where to find this guide.
I have ftp'ed it and have it in my hot little hands.  If anyone out there
is interested:  anonymous ftp to nnsc.nsf.net
                 cd internet-tour
                 get Internet-Tour4.01.sit.hqx
 You will then need to unstuff it with StuffIt or the like.
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From: polly@lpl.org (Jean Polly)
Subject: Re: how to get hitchhikers
Krol, E. (1989). "The hitchhiker's guide to the Internet".
     University of Illinois Urbana, Urbana-Champaign, Ill.
     (Network Working Group. Request for Comments: 1118)
     [Available by anonymous ftp from host nic.ddn.mil,
     directory rfc; filename RFC1118.TXT]

Excuse the post to the entire list, no internet address was listed for our
subscriber in Italy/Belgium.

Jean Armour Polly                     INTERNET: polly@LPL.ORG
Liverpool Public Library              OTHER: polly@well.sf.ca.us
Liverpool, NY USA                     ME: (315) 457-0310
       Have you hugged your network administrator today?

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From:         Steve Cavrak <SJC@uvmvm.uvm.edu>
Subject:      Re: Hitchhikers Guide ... where can I find it
Hitchhikers Guide is available in several places -- it is also known
as RFC-1118 and so should be available at any RFC site or on the
RCF CD-ROM.

I picked up my copy at nic.near.net

Steve
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:29:26 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      E-Mail Addresses in Telephone Directories

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From: fulla@med.unc.edu (Angela L. Fullington)
Subject: Re:  Email addresses in telephone directories

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill publishes Bitnet
and Internet addresses for faculty and staff in the telephone
directory.

Angie Fullington
Health Sciences Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
fulla@med.unc.edu
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From: David.Punia@UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: Email addresses in telephone directories

< Would anyone at a university that publishes email addresses in their
< regular campus telephone directory please identify their location?
<
Many here seem interested in having their
email addresses published in the phone directory, though until our new
HR system comes on line, there's not a field available in the
database, we're told.  To further complicate the discussion, there is
debate as to whether the phone directory, which is now availabe to
internal users on our CWIS, should be opened up to Internet access.
This brings up the issues around public access not only to email
addresses (when they get in there), but also to campus and home
addresses (which people have the option of listing).  The other
possibility, being used on parts of campus now, is to set up a mail
server such that anyone's email address can be of the form
Firstname.Lastname@uvm.edu, eliminating, for most, the need of a
separate email address in the directory.

David T. Punia                Internet: David.Punia@uvm.edu
Univ. of Vermont CSEE dept       Voice: 802-656-1915
Burlington, VT 05405-0156   Compu$erve: 72617,1211  Prodigy: DJND87A
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From: DTPALMER@HKUCC.BITNET
Subject: Re: Email addresses in telephone directories

we at University of Hong Kong do this.  I think it  a very useful aid
in networking, a time saver when searching for an address, and an incentive;
faculty/staff try to get such an address, seeing that their entry in the
directory is empty where the entry for a colleague already has such an one.

David T Palmer
Systems Librarian
University of Hong Kong
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From:    JUDYK@LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL
Subject: RE: Email addresses in telephone directories

Our campus does (and sends everyone a circular before a new edition
of the phone book, asking for changes to email addresses and for
permission to include them in the phone book).

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| Judy Koren,                                      |
| Head, Technical Services                         |
| The Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology   |
| Haifa, Israel.                                   |
|                                                  |
| Email: judyk@lib.technion.ac.il                  |
|    or: lbjudy@vmsa.technion.ac.il                |
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:44:10 CDT
From:         "Robert B. Pasker" <rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Infotrack/IAC

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
so, i have not found any infotrack/IAC listservs.  perhaps someone
should start on?

--
- bob pasker
  halfdome!bob@cs.sfsu.edu | rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu | rbp@well.sf.ca.us
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:00:41 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      FreeNets

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From: Steve Cisler <sac@apple.com>
Subject: Re:  FreeNets

Liz,
There are many in the planning stages and some never make it past
planning. That's been the case since 1986 when Miami, LA were in the
works.  At present Santa Barbara, Boulder, and DC are under way, but
I know there are more.  I recommend you call Tom Grundner at
216 368 2733 and ask.
Steve
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From:    "Judy Hallman"                              <HALLMAN@UNC>
Subject: Re:      FreeNets
> From: Liz.Lane@p938.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Liz Lane)
> Is anyone aware of a list of "FreeNets" currently in place?

This is from the list of public CWIS services maintained for CWIS-L
(this is from a new update which has not been posted to the list
yet, but hopefully will be tomorrow):
  Judy Hallman, UNC-Chapel Hill

==========================================================
Public Information Networks
==========================================================
Cleveland Freenet, Case Western Reserve University
cwns10.ins.cwru.edu (129.22.8.75 or 129.22.8.76 or 129.22.8.82)
Software: FreePort
Contact: Dennis Risen <risen@po.cwru.edu>

------------------------------------------------------------
Heartland Freenet
heartland.bradley.edu (136.176.5.114)
login as bbguest
Software: FreePort (see Cleveland Freenet)
Contact: Karen S. Eggert <xxadm@heartland.bradley.edu>

------------------------------------------------------------
Tri-State Online (Cincinnati)
129.137.100.1 and login as visitor
Software: CIX
Contact: Steven S. Shoemaker <sshoe@tso.uc.EDU>

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Youngstown Freenet (192.55.234.27)
yfn.ysu.edu
login as visitor
Software: CIX
Contact: Lou Anschuetz <lou@yfn.ysu.edu>

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From:   daves@ccs.carleton.ca (Dave Sutherland)
Subject: Re: FreeNets

Get a hold of a copy of RFC 1290, Internet Golden Nuggets.  Tom
Grundner at the Cleveland freenet would be the authority on existing
freenets.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:46:30 CDT
From:         Alberto RIO <RIOGARAL@vm1.sdi.uam.es>
Subject:      please help me

Does he need anything more than the p i message?  --Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

    Dear Mr. Bailey, I am very interested in your list PACS-L, so I am
wondering whether you could send me information on ftp-reachable node where
there is a file repository with the log files of the last years. Thank you
very much in advance. Yours faithfully, Alberto RIO, Universidad Autonoma de
Madrid, Spain. e-mail address: riogaral@vm1.sdi.uam.es
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:42:03 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Subsidizing Online Searching

From:         Jim Hobbs <HOBBS%LOYNOVM.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Subsidizing online searching
This message is being sent to PACS-L and LIBREF-L; please excuse
duplicates you may receive.

I asked via PACS-L for replies from libraries which have
cancelled Chemical Abstracts (CA) and gone on to subsidize
searching of CA done by chemistry department faculty or students.
Here is the summary:

There were 21 replies:  20 from the U.S., 1 from the U.K.  Those
responding that they had cancelled CA (or CA Collective Indexes
or Beilstein or Gmelin or any other major science index):  15;
those reporting no cancellations:  6.

Those subsidizing in-library searching:  12 Subsidizing outside-
library searching:  7

Several respondents hadn't cancelled any titles but were looking
closely at that option.  Several libraries have reported that
cancellation of major indexes while offering free online
searching hasn't been as costly as the indexes. Most of the
schools responding were medium and smaller sized.

Two issues were raised around cancelling CA.  One is
accreditation, the other, the cost of STN searching.  There was
some question about whether the American Chemical Society (ACS)
will accredit an undergraduate chemistry program if the library
doesn't subscribe to CA, but this does not seem to be a problem
for those who have cancelled.  There was also some question about
whether the educational discount is available to use CA on ACS's
own service, STN, after dropping the printed CA.  According to
the Dec. 1990 pamphlet "The CAS Academic Program," "Colleges and
universities not offering doctoral degrees in chemistry or
related sciences are eligible for a 90% discount on all of the
files offered through the Academic Program, without subscribing
to Chemical Abstracts." This program makes STN available "from
5:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. for each time zone in North America,
Monday through Friday."  There are additional hours on Saturday
and Sunday.  No mention is made of a prohibition on library
Academic Program accounts, though the brochure seems aimed at
non-library departments.

Many thanks to all who responded.  If anyone else would like to
respond, I'd like to hear from you, especially those who are
paying all or part of the cost for searching done outside of the
library by non-librarians.

Jim Hobbs, Coordinator of Online Services  BITNET:  HOBBS@LOYNOVM
Loyola Univ., New Orleans           INTERNET:  HOBBS@VM.LOYNO.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:01:03 CDT
From:         Debbie Huberman <DHUBERMA@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      cd-rom pacs & ILL

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anyone know of any studies that have been done analing the effects
of a local produced cd-rom union catalog upon ILL activity.  I have
just completed the coordination of a project named TOMCAT.  It is a
cd-rom union catalog that contains the holdings of 51 libraries from
northwest Ohio and 15 libraries in northeast Ohio.  I am writing a
research paper for my MLS at Kent State on this topic.  I would be
very interested in obtaining statistical information anyone has that
would show this type of a product has a positive or negative effect upon
ILL activity.Also if anyone has personal experience with e-mail options
associated with cd-rom products to enhance resource sharing I would like
to hear from you.  We are trying to find a way to incude some sort of
e-mail option for our libraries.  At the present time they have to fax
back and forth quite a bit which can get expensive and time consuming.

      Debbie Huberman
      NOLA Regional Library System
      4445 Mahoning Ave. NW
      Warren, Ohio  44483
      fax-216-847-7704
      dhuberma@kentvm.kent.edu (internet)
      dhuberma@kentvm   (bitnet)
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:51:04 CDT
From:         Michael Taranto <mtaranto@sura.net>
Subject: Re: Internet User Addresses

Please reply directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thank you.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
	I posted a note regarding this already on INFO-NETS, but it didn't
seem to make to this list. SURAnet has recently devoted a section of it's
Internet Resource Guide to directory services. Listed in this section are
services such as, KNOWBOT, PSI White Pages, WHOIS Info, PARADISE, Merit's
NetMail Database, and a listing of Campus Wide Information Systems. All
of which help users in locating Internet addresses. The SURAnet Internet
Resource Guide, which is updated weekly, is available for ftp from
ftp.sura.net located in the pub/nic directory as infoguide.X-XX, where
X-XX is the most recent date of publication. If you would like to transfer
the directory services info exclusively, a sub-directory of nic has been
created entitled, directory.services. This directory includes info on all
the mentioned services along with info and manuals for WHOIS. Howerver, as
every good end user should do, read the README files for each directory
so that you know what you are getting into. Any questions or comments
can be directed to mtaranto@sura.net.

Michael Taranto
NIC Services
SURAnet
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:44:28 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Problem of Multiple Postings

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From: BRIAN MCBEE <opac!brian%OPAC.osl.or.gov@CS.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re:  The problem of multiple postings

The problem of multiple postings is handled very well in Usenet Newsgroups,
where you can specify that a single message be posted to several relevant
groups.  Only one copy goes around the net, and most newsreaders only show
you the article once.  I guess what I am saying is, the technical problem
has already been solved.

--

----- Brian McBee ----- (503)378-4276 ----- brian@opac.osl.or.gov -----
----- Oregon State Library, State Library Building, Salem, OR 97310 -----
Above opinions are mine only.  You can have them if you like.
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From:         Maggi Joseph <1LIMXJ@UTSAVM1>
Subject:      Re: The problem of multiple postings
As one who does not subscribe to the other lists mentioned in the
complaint about multiple listings, I think it is important to post to
all relevant lists.  I would also appreciate it if people doing multiple
postings would have the courtesy to list the lists at the top of their
message rather than merely apologizing for multiple postings without
naming them.  It helps me a lot to screen the duplicates if I know to
expect to find them.

Margaret A. Joseph
A D for PUblic Services
UTSA Library
University of Texas at San Antonio
Usual disclaimers apply.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:05:02 CDT
From:         Steve Cisler <sac@apple.com>
Subject: Re: ALA support drive

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I just called the 800 number and asked if they'd handle Ross Perot for
President calls too. He laughed and said no, but what is ironic is that
the telephone boiler room is in Colorado Springs where Dave Hughes <dave
@well.sf.ca.us> has just started an electronic BBS for Perot.  Hughes does
support libraries too and will be speaking at ALA this summer.

Steve Cisler
Apple Library
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:28:04 CDT
From:         Robert Bocher <RBOCHER@WISCMACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Gutenberg apology?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Several days ago I read the March newsletter from Project Gutenberg
that was posted on this list.  I thought that one particular
section would generate some discussion, but since returning from a
few days out of the office I have not noticed any postings related
to the section in question.

While the newsletter notes that librarians have been some of their
strongest supporters, I was more than a little surprised to read
the following (ellipses in original text):

>However. . .we have found an audience who is not happy with our
>electronic books. . .and to them we offer the following apology
>and explanation.

>To librarians and other library personnel:

>Many librarians have been neutral, hesitant, terrified or in other
>ways not pleased with Project Gutenberg in a variety of aspects,
>mostly to do with a fear of lost jobs or lost valuation of their
>positions.

The newsletter continues with a justification of why librarians
should not feel threatened by Project Gutenberg.  I must be missing
something here.  I find no need for this project to apologize to
librarians or to feel it must justify to us why it is no threat to
our existence.  Are we, or evidently some of us, so insecure about
what we do that we fear this project or others like it will soon
have us standing in breadlines?

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      | Bob Bocher,  Wis. State Library, Madison 53707-7841      |
      | BITNET: rbocher@wiscmacc INTERNET: rbocher@macc.wisc.edu |
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:49:50 CDT
From:         Xia Li <XLI@UVMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Style manual for electronic sources

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anybody know where I can get a style manual for electronic sources?
We are getting more and more requests about how to make bibliography of
the e-sources?  I have not found any standard format we can use.

Please reply directly to me and I will post it on the listserv.  Thanks
very much.

Xia Li
Reference Librarian
University of Vermont
Bitnet: XLI@UVMVM
Internet: XLI@UVMVM.UVM.EDU
Tel: 802-656-2241
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