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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 3 club tournament--which three?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:00:34 GMT
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.

In article 151047DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () writes:
>I think anybody taking a wood is crazy

Well, we all have our opinions, and you're not the first person to call me
that (I'm married..)  8)

I'd rather stay home if I can't DRIVE the ball off the tee.  NO, I can't reach
many greens on my DRIVE.  But, YES I can reach most par 4's with a drive and 
a 9-iron.  So,  plghhhhh!!!      8)   8)

>I think you are just as crazy if you do not take your putter.

Wow, we agree on something....

>The money club in this tourney is going to be a short iron: 9, PW, SW

Isn't it always...

>Keep them down the middle!

The middle of what?  8)   Unfortunately, I don't hit as many fairways as I'd 
like too, but I seem happy to sacrifice a little accuracy for an easier approach
shot (9-iron vs. 5-iron).  Plus, on my muni's, I prefer hitting out of the rough
over the hardpan fairways...
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From: samg@dadd.ti.com (Samuel G. Goins,SEG,)
Subject: Re: Wide-body drivers
Reply-To: samg@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:47:11 GMT

In article 5130@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov, sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
>Oh, my new driver is a woman's club.  

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Have you NO pride man????   8)

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From: dbingham@bnr.ca (David Bingham)
Subject: Re: ETIQUITTE
Reply-To: dbingham@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.091843.657@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl>, crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen) writes:
> Playing the local club tournemant , last sunday i boo-boo ed on the
> second hole and teed - off a couple off incches in front off the marker
> one playing partner immediatly after completing my swing corrected me 
> So i gather he knew i was in error but elected not to warn me.....
> what is the concensus on the net on this subject .
> cheers 

Your partner may have been guilty of giving advice (2 stroke penalty) if
he had said anything before you hit.  You never said what penalty you were
under after he pointed out your error - if only your pride was hurt, no
great loss, and now you'll be more careful (hope you thanked him).  If it
cost you strokes or the hole, that's the rules (you were playing a tournament
after all).  Not knowing the guy personally, we can only guess at his
motives... 

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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Correcting HOGWASH
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:01:13 GMT

cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes:
: 
: David is incorrect.  
: In match play it is not a violation to tee off from outside the teeing
: ground.  Disbelievers should look at rule 11-4.
: 

I've got to look this one up.  Are you saying that it's legal for me
to tee off a couple hundred yards up the fairway?  Boy am I going to
get a lot of eagles if that's true!

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Rosemount Inc.                                |Oh, I LOST my ``HELLO KITTY''
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From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Subject: ETIQUITTE
Organization: CRI, institute for telecommunication and computerservices.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:18:43 GMT

Playing the local club tournemant , last sunday i boo-boo ed on the
second hole and teed - off a couple off incches in front off the marker
one playing partner immediatly after completing my swing corrected me 
So i gather he knew i was in error but elected not to warn me.....
what is the concensus on the net on this subject .
cheers 
Tony Rosmalen crisar@rulmvs.LeidenUniv.nl    bitnet
	      crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl    tcp/ip

 
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From: d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg)
Subject: Re: Rules poser
Reply-To: d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:23:02 GMT

In article <BuKAsE.HE6@alsvid.une.edu.au>, jlangfor@alsvid.une.edu.au (Joseph Langford) writes:
|> From article <1992Sep10.153319.2114@mmm.serc.3m.com>, by us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi):
|> > From article <ILH.92Sep10094136@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>, by ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington):
|> >> According to Rule 25-1b regarding taking relief from casual water...
|> >> 
|> >> (ii) In a Hazard [not water hazard]: If the ball lies in or touches a
|> >>      hazard, the player shall lift and drop the ball either:
|> >> 
|> >>   (a) without penalty, in the hazard, as near as possible to the spot
|> >>       where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole, on ground which
|> >>       affords maximum available relief from the condition; or
|> >>   (b) under penalty of one stroke, outside the hazard, keeping the
|> >>       point where the ball lay directly between the hole and the spot
|> >>       on which the ball is dropped.
|> >> 
|> >> So, take relief in the bunker with no penalty, or drop outside
|> >> (behind) it with a one stroke penalty.
|> >>
|> > 
|> > What defines "casual water".  Can an extremely rain soaked sand 
|> > qualify as "casual water" even though there is no liquid on the
|> > surface of the sand.  What about if the water is visible when 
|> > you stand in the sand but then disipates in a few seconds.
|> 
|> The definition of casual water is water that can be visibly seen prior
|> to the addressing of the ball. Therefore if you walk into a bunker and 
|> water appears due to the pressure of your weight, this is not casual
|> water                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|> -- 
|> Joseph Langford  Internet:  jlangfor@loki.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 ????????
|>     University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia

No, if water appears due to your weight its casual water. You can't "press"
out water though.
Gustaf
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From: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Subject: Rule that I'd like to see changed
Reply-To: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:28:11 GMT

If your ball is sitting up nice and high in the
rough, how often have you or have you seen someone
address the ball and the ball suddenly moves into
a poor lie?  i.e. you haven't touched the ball in
your address but by the slight pressure of the club
behind the ball, the ball drops.   The rule states
you must declare a one shot penalty.   I think in
the example just mentioned,  you have already
penalized yourself by going from a nice 'flyer lie'
to difficult shot out of the rough.

To avoid this one shot penalty, I will never ground
my club in the rough upon address if I believe the
ball may move.  However, this is one of those rules
that I'd like to see changed.   Any comments or other
rules that you'd like to see changed?

-Paul

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From: griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin)
Subject: Re: JACK NICKLAUS
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:05:52 GMT

In <1992Sep8.152344.13742@sequent.com> jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie) writes:

>In article <92248.154402DNB102@psuvm.psu.edu> DNB102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>HEY--
>>ALL OF YOU JACK NICKLAUS FANS OUT THERE WRITE ME AND TELL ME YOUR FAVORITE JACK
>>NICKLAUS STORIES OR THINGS YOU MIGHT OF SEEN ABOUT HIM ON TV.  HE'S THE BEST
>>GOLFER EVER.  TALK TO ME.
>I'm just curious about what he's up to these days. He's been in very
>few events and I've not seen his name on the Senior PGA events.
>Obviously he's not dominating the Senior PGA events like he thought he
>would.

I'm not so sure about that because he has'nt played in that many events on
the Senoir tour and he's won most of the events he's played in! He
certainly is THE BEST EVER, I can't praise the man enough, I can't even
find fault with the man. He's the only golfer to have not only won
majors consistently over a long period of time but also to have one a
cluster in a relatively short number of years. 
I nearly dropped when I read about how pessemistic he was after missing
the cut in the British Open, saying he could not play the game any more.
I still believe he can win another major but there's no doubt he'd want
to hurry up and do so before he starts to play like Arnold Palmer.
I think he might be playing in this week's Canadian Open. I could talk
about him all day and probably will when I get more time.

Brendan.

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From: m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu (michael denison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 3 club tournament--which three?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 07:18:12 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

>>>I think anybody taking a wood is crazy

Well, I don't. While my 3-wood is a bit erratic in both distance and
direction, I hit my 1-iron like a machine. I probably hit 14/15 fairways
with it, and am always with 8-10 yards of the correct distance with it.
However, the 1-iron has a disadvantage; it's harder to add play into each
shot. I can add another 15-20 yards to the 3-wood or take 15-20 yards off
without much difficulty. This is useful in a 3-club tourney when you want
to modify your tee-shot to leave you an approximately correct distance
for either of your two remaining clubs.

Ergo, one of my three choices is a three-wood, probably a metal wood.

>>>I think you are just as crazy if you do not take your putter.

Funny, I putt just fine (~25 a round) with a wedge. Therefore, I'd likely
make my second club the wedge. (A PW, just to add a greater span of
distance to help my 3-wood tee-shots land in reasonable play.)

>>>The money club in this tourney is going to be a short iron: 9, PW, SW

Again, I disagree. I think the winning club in a 3-club tourney is always
the middle club; you have to be able to work this club onto the greens. You
soemtimes need to pump an extra 15 yards into it with accuracy, or even 
take 25 yards off. Unless the course was absurdly long, I would probably
make this middle club a 6-iron. If it was a short course, I might move
to a 7-iron. Basically something I can hit well, can almost always get a
tee-shot into the correct range, and has enough loft that I can play some
curious shots into the green.

>> Isn't it always...

Also, knowing when to lay back and hit two six-irons down in front of
some of the tighest par-4's, putting a wedge up to 5-feet and making 4
or 5 instead of trying to crank balls into the correct position helps
a lot too. This is where I lack the most in these silly tourneys; I
always want to go for it... go for it... go for it... (damn, all three
*did* go OB!)  ;)
-- 
 "You know what they say about men with *large* vocabularies...."
michael d. denison                          m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu
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From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Subject: Re: Wide-body drivers
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:51:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.230657.3591@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un037002@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>	There are so many wide body drivers in the market nowadays. I was in a
>golf shop one day, saw more than ten kinds of such kind of drivers,
>Bridgestone Whopper, Judge, Hammer, Yamaha, 2001......, I just can't name them
>all. They all look nice, as the matter of fact Judge and Hammer with graphite
>shaft look real bad. There is no way I can try all these clubs out, but I
>really doubt if these flash looking sticks can put your balls a few yards
>farther than those traditional drivers like Wilson staff,Ping woods. 

Wrong, the design of the oversized drivers do give you more distance.
Don't spend big bucks on a Big Bertha - I saw one at Nevada Bobs for $229
or something riduculous.  I bought a Big Bertha clone for $79.  Once I 
figured out that I was standing too close, I started hitting longer
and straighter.  Be patient and experiment.

Oh, my new driver is a woman's club.  Compared to a man's, it's got
a shorter shaft and the head is turned slightly in.  I think both
of these features are good for hackers like us.

Roger
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Rules poser
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:05:35 GMT

ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington) writes:

>According to Rule 25-1b regarding taking relief from casual water...

>(ii) In a Hazard [not water hazard]: If the ball lies in or touches a
>     hazard, the player shall lift and drop the ball either:

>  (a) without penalty, in the hazard, as near as possible to the spot
>      where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole, on ground which
>      affords maximum available relief from the condition; or
>  (b) under penalty of one stroke, outside the hazard, keeping the
>      point where the ball lay directly between the hole and the spot
>      on which the ball is dropped.

>So, take relief in the bunker with no penalty, or drop outside
>(behind) it with a one stroke penalty.

You forgot: Play it as it lies.

Of course, you could also declare it unplayable and use all those options.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
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John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Handicap computation
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:54:47 GMT

Could someone send me or re-post the algorithm for computing
your handicap from a set of scores and course ratings?  I know it
was posted once, but I can't find it on my machine any more. Also,
is there any way to approximate a course rating given a scorecard?
One of the courses I play doesn't list a rating.

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 09:06:05 EDT
From: Jim White <JWHITE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Extraordinary Claims, was Wide Body Drivers


Scott Berg writes....

>I must recommend the Taylor Made System 2 Mid-Size with a graphite shaft.  I
>purchased mine this summer and now hit the ball about 45 yards further
>(around 300yds) and hit my own :) fairway about 65% of the time (used to be
>about 45%).  Now if I could only figure out a way to use it for my short
>game!
>


Hmmmmm. Truly an extraordinary claim! I must admit to a certain amount of
skepticism. Why, I wonder, how would the mere changing of a club cause such
a dramatic improvement?

Unless your previous club was..... say..... a marshmellow on a string, I'd
speculate that, along with the club change, came a simultaneous improvement
in your golf swing. Maybe the appealing 'look' of the club imbued you with
a new found confidence..... maybe you took some lessons, or spent some time
at a driving range practicing with your new club.

Unless your old club was truly awful, (cracked head, bent shaft...etc.),
give yourself some credit. The club did not add 45 yards to your drive, while
still maintaining a tighter dispersion pattern. You are doing something
better than you were doing previously.


Jim White
From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: sybervision
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:30:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <fragante.715731040@unixg.ubc.ca> fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
>In <Sep04.222522.60238@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman) writes:
>
>>Yeah, that's the one.  A lot of people didn't care for it, which is 
>>what made me think it might be out of print.  I thought it was great
>>when I was in a position to concentrate on it.  If anyone has any info
>>on it, I'd be grateful.
>
>>Jeff       wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
>
>Well, if you haven't seen it yet - the tape has very little, if not any, vocal
>instructions. The tape is divided into sections - dirver, fairway woods and
>irons. It seemed like they take one picture of Al and replay it over and over
>in slo-mo from different angles.
>
>It's a nice swing to watch, but it still doesn't tell you much (i.e. - how the
>swing should feel).

No, the idea isn't verbal instruction.  The idea is that if you watch
a "perfect" swing over and over with the right "mental stimulation",
(or whatever all the hypnotic-type music is), that you will carry that
image to the course and start swinging similarly.  As I remember,
there is no talking on it.  I'm big on mental feel, so I like the tape
and would still welcome any email or posts with info about how to
get one.

Jeff       wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
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From: jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie)
Subject: Re: JACK NICKLAUS
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:23:44 GMT

In article <92248.154402DNB102@psuvm.psu.edu> DNB102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>HEY--
>ALL OF YOU JACK NICKLAUS FANS OUT THERE WRITE ME AND TELL ME YOUR FAVORITE JACK
>NICKLAUS STORIES OR THINGS YOU MIGHT OF SEEN ABOUT HIM ON TV.  HE'S THE BEST
>GOLFER EVER.  TALK TO ME.
I'm just curious about what he's up to these days. He's been in very
few events and I've not seen his name on the Senior PGA events.
Obviously he's not dominating the Senior PGA events like he thought he
would.


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 Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. (503) 578-5778 
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: compensating for elevation differences - tee to green
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 01:10:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: golf distance

In article <6228@transfer.stratus.com> wayne@sw.stratus.com (Wayne Newberry) writes:

>> Does anyone know of a sound (rational) rule of thumb for compensating
>> for elevation changes to the target (+/-) that would help in club
>> selection?
>> 
>> Something like for every x ft of drop/increase % of club should be added
>> or subtracted?

>It seems to me that if such a rule of thumb were available, it would be
>difficult to use.  I've never seen a course where that kind of information 
>was available.  Also, while we have all grown somewhat able to guesstimate
>horizontal distances, I'd doubt that many people could come close to 
>guessing vertical drops/rises.

Indeed.  This is yet another topic of golf that I've given a bit of
thought.  (Hey, if you can't play it worth salt, think it to death!)

In general, the impact is greater when hitting to an elevated target
than it is hitting to a lower one.  When hitting to a lower target,
balls hit by the "shorter" clubs will be near a vertical flight path
by the time they get to the level of original impact.  While this
is less true of less-lofted clubs, the additional carry will be
offset by reduced bounce and roll.  It's rare -- very rare -- to 
be able to take more than one less club.

Going uphill, however, the sky's the limit.  Ten feet of elevation
change can mean one club, but twenty feet is closer to three clubs
and thirty starts to be a bit silly.  When hitting to elevated
targets, it's also important to note whether the spot the ball hits
initially is level, or sloped toward you.  If it's level, the ball
will be "hotter" because it hasn't started coming down as steeply
when it hits.  Hence, more bounce and roll, especially with short
irons.  If you're hitting into a hill, however, the hill will tend
to toss the ball up into the air with a tremendous loss of distance.

So, while I don't think you can reduce it to a simple arithmetic
exercise, if you consider these factors you can SWAG it pretty well.


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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Rules poser
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:33:19 GMT

From article <ILH.92Sep10094136@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>, by ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington):
> According to Rule 25-1b regarding taking relief from casual water...
> 
> (ii) In a Hazard [not water hazard]: If the ball lies in or touches a
>      hazard, the player shall lift and drop the ball either:
> 
>   (a) without penalty, in the hazard, as near as possible to the spot
>       where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole, on ground which
>       affords maximum available relief from the condition; or
>   (b) under penalty of one stroke, outside the hazard, keeping the
>       point where the ball lay directly between the hole and the spot
>       on which the ball is dropped.
> 
> So, take relief in the bunker with no penalty, or drop outside
> (behind) it with a one stroke penalty.
>

What defines "casual water".  Can an extremely rain soaked sand 
qualify as "casual water" even though there is no liquid on the
surface of the sand.  What about if the water is visible when 
you stand in the sand but then disipates in a few seconds.

I HATE hitting our of wet soggy sand.

-- 
Steve Anastasi	
smanastasi@mmm.com
St. Paul, Minnesota