From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:06:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:


>I got finally fed up by the "history" spread around.
>Faruk od ex-Bosna claims that there was a Serbian domination
>over Muslims since 1918.  It was so bad, that they could 
>not live any more with it, so they had to declare their own state,
>which is not extremely stable, as we see.  Ms. Shane, a rare sound 
>person still posting on this group asked him to document this.  

>Let me help him:

>Haeffner, volksdeutcher from Zagreb, to Gleise von Horstenau


>Bundesarchiv - Militaerararchiv in Freiburg,
>Box 146/170, nu.85445, 

>June 15, 1941

>From Vasa Kazimirovic, "NDH u svetlu nemackih dokumenata i dnevnika
>Gleza fon Horstenau, 1941-1945"

>Translated by MNS:

>[Describes first the criminal activities of local Ustashas, i.e. 
>Muslims.  I am not going to go now into that, although I should,
>for the sake of Senad's assumptions about Muslims there as constant
>victims. Unfortunately for Muslims, local Serbs still remember this.
>This was some year before Foca, by the way, just for a record, who
>started.  Also I could go back to WWI, but let me leave that aside ]

[.... and so on: stuff from WWII]

First, let me thank you for a compliment.

Second, Milan, do not support my arguments with anything that proves
that one nation (religious group) or the other committed these or other
atrocities.

My purpose is only to show that there is no sense in BRANDING people
as members of a national group i  order either to:

1. accuse a whole nation for the deeds of some lunatics, criminals...
2. be fearful of a whole nation because of the deeds of some lunatics...
3. start a war and exterminate the population of any nation because
   its members were branded as enemies....

There are criminals on all of the involved sides. And they should be
punished regardless of their nationality - only for what they did against
humanity.

The rhetoric of the WWII is an extended arm and a tool for creating
this war. It serves only to perpetuate hatred - not to stop the
war.

We all know by now that members of all Yugoslav nations are capable
to create the most terrible horror. One atrocity doesn't excuse or
cannot be remedied by another. It makes everything a collective blood feud.

If there is any hope for peace, it can only be in realizing who are
the individual criminals, and turning against them. But all together,
and not just be able to see "clearly" the criminals of the other side(s).
As long as we don't have courage to admit that it is US (as in our
own) all of US who are doing this to ourselves, there will only be
misery for all. 

This what I have said holds for everybody, Serb, Croat, Muslim, Albanian
even Slovenian and Macedonian. The war can be stopped with our legendary
"passive resistance" to the authorities (who lead these people into the
fighting). And we once were champions of passive resistance to the
authorities, remember those times, eh?


>Regards, 

>Milan N.Stojanovic

Happy New Year and wishes for

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Ana M. Shane                               pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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