HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Advertisement in the UK Times..
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:37:49 GMT

In article <02lm6z-.bprofane@netcom.com> bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:
}"Decriminalize" isn't the same as legalize, and anyway I think only
}a handful of state "decriminalized" simple possession (CA, OR, WA,
}NY, MA, WI at a guess.  Minnesota, too?).  

Alaska, too.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 08:35:32 GMT

In <1992Jul30.015235.25978@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Pete Hartman writes:
>>> There are some substances that administered to the
>>> organism ... will eventually cause addiction.
>> Explain what you mean by "eventually".
>Not necessarily the first time.  May take several administrations.

Clear enough.

>> Explain what you mean by "addiction".
>As defined before (two times, previous msgs).

Ok.  But I only saw the most recent one.  Your use was consistent
with what I though you meant, but then you had claimed that my
long cites didn't reference that--did you read it in detail, or
did you just pull out the bit about monkeys?

>> Define how extensive this "mere exposure" has to be
>> to be significant.
>Taking "significant" to mean "causing addiction", we don't define
>that, nature tells us.  You try it and you see.  Turns out it varies
>with substance, for instance.

It also turns out that by your own definition of addiction, there is
no demonstrated human addiction to cocaine.

>> Explain why you think it matters WRT legalization
>> of drugs for human consumption.
>State when I have said it does.
>Please read what I wrote.

I'll concede this, although since most arguments that drugs should be
illegal hinge on the point of addiction potential, I'd say that your
claim that cocaine (in particular) is addictive is relevant.

>> next we're supposed to verify quarks for ourselves if we're interested?
>I'm not aware of anyone stopping you.  But the point here isn't
>whether you personally have the time, money, interest, or talent to.
>The point is either the results reproduce or they don't.

Since you STILL have not cited any hard data to refute the cites I
gave that indicated that the results DO NOT reproduce for humans,
I can only assume you are being evasive.  If you care to give citations,
I will revise that assumption.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
   This is a chain letter.  Within the next fifty-five days you will receive
                    thirty-eleven hundred pounds of chains!
From: fdaniel@laas.laas.fr (Canard,,)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: SpAce PAnCaKes
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:05:34 GMT



                     SPACE PANCAKES
               (from an old French recipe)
          by Duck Vador and Doctor Mc Guinness

For 6 : 1 liter of milk
        500g of flour
        5 eggs
        2g of H

Put crumbled H in hot milk.
Mix eggs one by one in flour.
Slowly pour magic milk in mixture while stiring.
Leave 3-4 hours.
Cook the pancakes(*) in a skillet with neither oil nor butter
(remember THC is very fat soluble), you shall use a
teflon-skillet.
Make about 30 pancakes. Eat 6, wait 2-3 hours and enjoy for 10.

You can add some sugar, jam, chocolate, bananas,
and flame with rhum...

(*) French pancakes are large and very thin, you all McDo-shit eaters

+------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
|       "Canard"         |  "Things that are irrelevant to each others |
|  fdaniel@laas.laas.fr  |  are all relevant to each others by the way |
|      I hate McDo       |  they all are irrelevant to each others..." |
+------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 08:26:02 GMT

In <1992Jul30.012643.22388@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Pete Hartman writes:
>> Define "addiction"
>Apparently you joined this thread late.  I defined it to include
>	chemical and/or physiological change of system from resting state
>	withdrawal
>	tolerance
>	behavior seeking the substance

Well then, my cites DID address your claims.  Or didn't you bother
to read the long post?  There is no documented evidence of either
"withdrawal" or "tolerance" in humans in the *usual* sense WRT to
cocaine.  Claims to the contrary make use of a creation of a
new disease "cocaine dependence", WHICH THE DEFINITION ITSELF
says contains no pharmocological basis.

Do you want to read it again, or has it already gone by?  I have
a copy (I don't type in 200 lines without saving them :-) and can
mail it to you if you are serious.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                                   Haazavaa?
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:48:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
: 
: I don't know what "regular users" are, I have contended nothing
: about them, I don't expect inquiry on hopelessly vague terms to
: be very productive, and I've written nothing on the subject.
: 
: I took no "position", I summarized data.  Either they replicate
: or they don't.  Sorry, not much controversy here.

I have seen no data - or studies quoted by you - maybe I missed them.
There was a posting listing a whole series of studies - these studies
went counter to your arguments.

: > please use drugs that affect people this way,
: > rather than affecting rats.
: 
: Why should we limit inquiry to a particular species?

Because we are concerned with drug actions on people. Most of us are not
concerned how a rat will act - all that does is give some indication that
an abuse possibility exists. For rats, this has not been demonstrated in
regards to cocaine - just the opposite. See the other posting - I am not
going to reprint his cites.

: > I would say that the pleasure derived from the drug is more likely 
: > to lead to abuse than any addictive potential.
: 
: Circularity time.  How do you measure pleasure?

Taking my comments out of context does nothing to further your arguments.
Maybe if you included the statement I was replying to, it would make some
sense.

How do you measure addictive potential or abuse potential?

Bill
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:17:18 EDT
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ancient hash

Here's something really interesting I received from a Israeli listserv:

Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:33:31 -0400
Comment: Media clips, editorials and information on Israel and the Middle East
Originator: israel-mideast@israel.nysernet.org
From: saar@nysernet.ORG (Gideon Saar)
To: Multiple recipients of list <israel-mideast@nysernet.ORG>
Subject: domestic gems27

DOMESTIC GEMS
27-JUL-1992

(Index: Hashish 1,600 years old identified; IBM buys medical computers in
Israel; oil slicks removed by natural materials).

ISRAELI SPRAY IDENTIFIES HASHISH 1,600 YEARS OLD
   ("Davar")

   An anthropologist of the Antiquities Authority, Joe Zias,  has  succeeded
in identifying hashish 1,600 years old through  a  spray  used  to  discover
drugs. He found traces of hashish in the body of a girl in a  cave  at  Beit
Shemesh, older than 1,600 years. The girl died  while  giving  birth.  Glass
vessels were found by her body, apparently  receptacles  for  the  drug.  An
Israeli-developed  drug-revealing  spray  called  Canby-Spray  was  used  to
identify the presence of the hashish.


   [rest deleted]

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: malcolm@minnie.cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Subject: Re: All night dance parties (Zombie Ravers)
Reply-To: malcolm@minnie.cs.su.oz.AU (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:48:17 GMT

Jim writes:
>
>malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies) writes:
>
>>I think that people generally use low doses which do not precipitate the full
>>blown effect, just a peculiar sensation. When it was going around among my
>>friends people smoked/snorted/ate it to varying degrees from a mild buzz to
>>near catatonia.
>
>How much do K users use at a time?   My guess is that it would take 
>about 1/8th of a gram of pure Ketamine to get a short buzz from sniffing
>it.
>
>I may be wrong though, or it may be PCP.   Do you know how much is used
>at a time or how long it lasts.
>
>JD

People were taking about 100mg for a buzz. The friend of mine who kind of
lost it ate about 250mg. As for how long it lasted, I can't really remember.
For the smaller amount, I think it was under an hour.

Malcolm
--
Myself and another volunteer were intravenously injected with
20 000 becquerels of plutonium citrate in aqueous solution. -- Eric Voice
From: anarch@Apple.COM (The Anarch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:29:51 GMT
Organization: Secular Humanists from Hell

In article <1992Jul24.233639.48700@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>
>A short while ago someone brought up the old "take <n> hits of LSD
>and you're legally insane" story...
>
>Is there some other similar idea which might have been mutated into the
>above story? 

     Some years ago someone I know was arrested on several charges.  He
was convicted and sentenced to some kind of juvenile detention.  I don't
know the details of the case, but he told me that one of the charges
brought against him was attempted suicide...for taking LSD.  If I see him
anytime soon (don't know if it's likely) I'll try to get the details.  This
is in California.

-- 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-anarch@apple.com-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   "The Walpurgisnacht has become synonomous with any general revelry, and
     particularly for the breaking out of demonic lewdness and disorder."
D I S C L A I M E R :   E V E R Y T H I N G   I   W R I T E   I S   F A L S E
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (I WISH IT WAS A CHOICE BETWEEN GEORGE CLINTON AND KATE BUSH)
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:11:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.145826.15707@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes...
>An addict is someone who keeps getting into the same kinds
>of trouble, over and over again, even though he doesn't
>want to....but STILL thinks he's in control!
	Actually, a more techincal def'n (and less pejorative) would be
someone who has to keep taking a substance to keep from experiencing 
withdrawal symptoms (e.g., DT's in alcoholism).  
	THis means that you have to worry about addiction when you imbibe
"body high" drugs  (opiates, cocaine, etc.), but not psychoactives
(in spite of all that ``psychologically addictive'' bull$H|+ I've heard).
	Just my two bytes worth.
					dylyn
P.S. -- I edited the Newsgroups line.  I don't like cross-posting to
that many groups, esp. ones I don't read.
-------------------------------------------------------------
	"I hear they're dismembering people down the street--
		Those Joneses!  Ya gotta love `em!
	 Various disguises are regrettable but necessary,
		if you want to make it  through the day"
			--NoMeansNo, "Everyday I Start to Ooze"
 dylyn (aka, d prosser) == S7356911@UCSVAX.UCS.umass.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: smith-jeff@CS.YALE.EDU (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:07:52 GMT

In article <Bs4pz0.Jp1@acsu.buffalo.edu> pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas) writes:
>I remember reading once that to obtain the LD50 of THC, one would have to
>smoke the equivalent of 10,000 joints.  If this is true, I think it would be
>safe to say there have been NO deaths due to THC toxicity the entire time
>cannabis has been used as a drug.  Deaths due to impairment are entirely
>another matter. 

A few minutes of research yeilded the following:
Accoring to "The Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances" 
(published by the U.S. Dep't of Health, Education and Welfare, 1975)
the intravenous LD50 doses of tetrahydrocannabinal ester (THC) are

		mouse  175 mg/kg
		  dog  100 mg/kg
	       rabbit  155 mg/kg

According to the Merck index (11th ed., 1989) the LD50 doses in
Fischer rats are:

	orally in a sesame oil vehicle:
		males   1270 mg/kg
	      females    730 mg/kg

	orally in a sesame oil, 1% polysorbate 80, saline emulsion:
		males   800 mg/kg

	intravenous:
 	males/females    40 mg/kg

	inhalation: 
	males/females 105.7 mg/kg
	corrected for particulate losses and pulmonary absorbtion:
		         42 mg/kg


I am not a med-type, so I don't know how these LD50 doses translate
to humans, nor do I know the effective dose in humans.  sci.med folx?

Mind you, I'm not advocating drug use.  Obviously, marijuana is
Really, Really Deadly(tm), otherwise it wouldn't be illegal.  Right?

				smith

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: Ancient hash
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:20:33 GMT

In article <92210.141718HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Here's something really interesting I received from a Israeli listserv:
[..]
>Israeli-developed  drug-revealing  spray  called  Canby-Spray  was  used  to
>identify the presence of the hashish.
[..]
>

oh great.  forget the dogs, forget the piss-test...

"Come here son, let me spray a little of this you.  No, it wont hurt. Hey!!
Deputy!! Look at this one turn red!! Bring the cufs!!  We got ourselfs one 
of dem dar maryjane users here."

"Awwright Shereef!! Can I bash this one around? Last time you got to,
and you said I could use the stick the next time."

"ok, calm down billy-joe-jim-bob, with this here Canby-Spray, we can get
ourselfs maryhjane users any time!  Damm, but them jews can come up with
the weirdest shit. Now, this time, wrap a rag around your stick like I
showed you to keep the blood from ruining the varnish.........."


don't laff.  I lived where the cops really do talk like this.

--gaspo.


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- Stabstelle Software / System Administrator -  \ | /  -  Schutzen,-
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.privacy,alt.society.revolution,soc.culture.usa,alt.culture.usenet,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.sex
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Please Feed the Spooks
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:21:50 GMT

In article <cass8806.99@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.063823.22045@Princeton.EDU> spencer@burn.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>
>>Use alt.cascade, please, that's what it's there for.
>
>what exactly is a "spook" and why is it always so hungry? and is there 
>really an alt.cascade?

SPOOK - generic term for an employee of one of
        those "black" organizations such as
        Secret Service, CIA, NIA, NSA, etc...

SUPER SPOOK - refers to someone specifically in
              the NSA: the ones who gather information
              about everything but share it with no one.

-steve
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Recipe FAQ -- real recipes?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:55:17 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon) writes:
>How about a file in the FAQ devoted to *real* recipes -- not
>synthesis, but recipes and advice for cooking with various
>materials.  Things like the Space Pancakes that just went by,
>for example.  Instructions for non-Indians on making magic ghee.
>What foods go well with blue shrooms. etc. . . .

I think I missed the Space Pancakes.

I've got stuff on brownies though, also making hash, turning coke base
into freebase, how to roll a good joint, some other stuff...

Check out the FTP site...

If I ever get things organized better on my account, I'll be much
better about accepting things other people select to drop in the
site...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: ftp.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Instant addiction (was Re: Partial Legalization)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:49:28 GMT

af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Alan S. Ferrency") writes:
: > There are no drugs which can cause physical addiction from one or
: > two, or even several uses.
: 
: I remember gradeschool brainwashing telling about how Heroine will most likely
: make you physically addicted as soon as you take it once.  Is this, in fact,
: brainwashing, or is Heroine that addictive (physically)?

No, it is not. There are no drugs that are this physically addictive.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: RFD: Recipe FAQ
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:39:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
: I was wondering if there is any interest in a FAQ containing recipes 
: appropriate for this group... Any comments?
: 
: Josh 

It depends. Are the recipes real syntheses, or ones from such garbage
publications as the "Anarchist Cookbook"?

Bill
From: drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Dangers of Use
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:47:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) writes:

>Just what are the dangers of using most illegal drugs?  (And legal ones as
>well!)  It would seem to me (as a non-user) that anything that's going to
>cause hallucinations would probably be messing something up in your head...

>Thanks.


THis one's easy. The grst danger of using (at least some) illegal drugs is


		*** GETTING BUSTED ***
-dwk
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:58:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Jul29.235826.15514
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
: 
: substance can produce a compulsion to use in a typical person) is nicotine.
: If you smoke once, you're not hooked.  You most likely have to smoke for a
: few days or so to find any difficulty in stopping.  Using cocaine once has
: never caused a person to be 'addicted' by any definition, or at least there
: aren't any documented cases.

You have to smoke a heck of a lot longer than a few days to become addicted
to nicotine. At least, most people do.  I suppose it is slightly possible
that a person could become psychologically addicted on the first usage, but
the same could be said of alcohol, Coca-cola, chocolate or Chinese food.

I know of no documented cases of a person becoming addicted to any drug, even
after a number of uses.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: On Cacti (anon)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 05:19:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

As to reducing the liquid after extracting, isn't there a vacuum machine
of some kind that is used in cooking to very rapidly do drying at low
temperatures?  Reducing this to a solid and then encapsulating might be
a more palatable way to ingest. 

Does anyone know more about these devices?

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

Stomp out intolerance!
From: dillonth@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Therese H Dillon)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: birth control pills
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:18:35 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <geR2w1S00WB24FMH9u@andrew.cmu.edu> "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hello.  Does anyone know of any drugs that have bad effects when used when
>someone is on birth control pills?  I kind of think there's not much danger,
>but I was told to ask, so I will...
>
>-me
>
>"Drugnet:  'The FAQs, man, where's the FAQs?"

 the only danger of the pill that I know of is speed. they tell you not to do 
 any forms of speed or you will spot. the only time I spotted was when I used 
 LSD. all the other forms of speed I did did not harm me in any way. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: graeme@transquest.oe.fau.edu (Graeme Rae)
Subject: Re: What Do YOU Think.
Reply-To: rae@sol.cse.fau.edu
Organization: Advanced Marine Systems Group 
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:47:47 GMT

In article <36104@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist) writes:
|> 
|> 	A simple question....
|> 
|> 	I was wondering for what reasons do people take drugs?
|> 
[Lots of ideas about why people take drugs deleted]


How about the most obvious reason people do things....

	Because its fun!



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From: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ancient hash
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:02:38 GMT
Reply-To: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Organization: North Carolina State University


> 
> When aerosols are outlawed, only outlaws will have aerosols...
> 
> gary

When in-laws are outlawed, only outlaws will have inlaws.
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