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From: mfunk@reed.edu (Michele Funk)
Subject: Re: Vampiric human relationships
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:12:04 GMT

I would agree that healthy human relationships involve reciprocity, but what
is exchanged is given, not taken.  I suppose that seems like a minor detail,
but the spirit of the exchange seems very important.  There is a difference
between giving blood and having someone clamp onto your neck to suck you dry.

Perhaps what this boils down to (whether we are talking about vampires or
sex) is power.  Either having power over another person and using them, or
being in a position where you take a submissive role.  (I guess you've
probably noticed by now that I have some interest in gender issues...  watch
out for my bias, and call me on it.)  

To start up another line of thought, how would one use the ways to kill a
vampire to think up a way for "psychic" vampires to be "killed"?  

Michele Funk
mfunk@reed.edu

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From: dfw@thumper.bellcore.com (Doris Woods)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Followup-To: alt.vampyres 
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:55:08 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.191916.9911@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dwalterm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Waltermire) writes:
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|> 	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
|> 	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
|> Keywords: 
|> 
|> 
|>    I was just wondering if there were any fans out there, that enjoyed th
|> 
|> vampire cronicals (thus far) as much as I did.  I would like to start a
|> thread, or maybe even a group!  If anyone is interested please let me
|> know.l
|>                                 Dave A Waltermire
|>                                 r3daw@vax1.cc.uakron.edu
|> 
|> 

  I'm definitely a fan of hers. I've read almost every one of her books.
I enjoyed most of them but thought the chronicles were by far her best. 
My question is this, I know one of the studios bought the rights to
The Vampire Le Stat, but does anyone know if it's in production or if
they are holding on to it for awhile longer?

  BTW, alt. vampyres is a great idea for a group. I've always been a 
dracula fan. What are peoples thoughts on the movie that was released
in the '80's with Catherine Denueve (sp?) and David Bowie called "The
Hunger"?

    Doris
From: morin@lacerta.unm.edu (Benjamin Eric Morin)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: VAmpire Lestat #1 (signed)
Keywords: vampire, collectables
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:56:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


   I have a (INNOVATION) Vampire Lestat #1 (first print) signed by ANNE RICE.
Asking $150.  Email morin@triton.unm.edu for more info......
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Movie List
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:29:40 GMT

In article <lafmiqINNlpl@pollux.usc.edu> jdevlin@pollux.usc.edu (Joseph T. Devlin) writes:
>  Favorite vampire movies, eh?  How about:
>
>	_Lost Boys_ 	- A fun movie that trys to keep up
>			  with proper myths but comes out less
>			  than terrifying.  (Still alot of fun.)
>
>	_Fright Night_	- A little better.  I loved "Evil Ed."
>
>  Haven't seen _Buffy, the Vapire Slayer_ yet but it looks like a great
>one as long as you have a couple (read MANY) beers before hand...
>
>Just my $0.02.
>
>						- Joe
>

_Buffy, . . . _ is a hoot.  Fun.  Rediculous.  Cute.

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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: I Vampire
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:48:08 GMT

you mised the point of some of Davids reminicing. He had the chericter to
bigin with. he lost himself whin he gave up his dreams of becoming a musicion
in order to do the "right" thing to become a bread winer. It was this loss
that lead him to do the drugs in a sad atempt to regain that which he lost
(hope,joy, his greatist love, ect) Whin he became a vampire he nolonger
had to pretend to be that which he wasnt and was incuriged do do the one
thing that he realy wanted to do.(having Mozart to help him didnt hert)

ELF-KIN
From: fabbott@athena.mit.edu (Freeland K Abbott III)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampyres
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:10:40 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <s1tn8gl.catcher@netcom.com> catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco) writes:

   >living on, watching the people I know dying around me,

   Why would you have to watch them dying around you?  If you were a vampire
   you could simply turn them into vampires, similar to Lestat with Gabrielle.
   Ok, so they wouldn't be truly alive, but they wouldn't be gone forever.
   I for one would love the opportunity to live forever with all of my best
   friends and favorite family members.

   -- 
   Paul W. Francisco        	    In the shadow an angel cries...
   catcher@netcom.com                      - Front Line Assembly

Uh-huh.  And then dealing with their initial horror at what you are
(and they've become), possibly making them run from you from the
begin, full of hurt and impotent rage... or dealing through that
change, then living with them (well, you *could* split up, but then
you're back at the beginning, looking for companionship and
protection) *forever*.  I love my friends and family very much, too,
but every now and then I like to get away from them... not to mention
having to keep adapting to changes in society, until it's hugely
different than your upbringing... and trying to avoid drawing
attention to certain peculularities in your lifestyle....

And you wonder why, after a couple centuries, all vampyres are kind of
deranged?  And you rarely hear of young-but-not-new vamps in the
stories: maybe they're still content and don't indulge in the
theatrics that get attention...

--
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104 Madison Ave.                now working for Cambridge Technology Group
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Forever Night
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:47:01 GMT

In <1992Sep5.053743.14060@sfu.ca> forman@fraser.sfu.ca (Pamela Catherine Forman) writes:

>Good Evening:  Has anyone seen the latest Canadian vampire effort
>Forever Night?  Any comments?

>Let us not forget Barnabus on Dark Shadows.  



Love it!  Being a vampire fanatic I almost soiled myslef when I heard
about this show. :-)   

I've seen every episode, and have only been disappointed in that they
chose to follow the Christianity concept of vampires being burned by
crosses and other holy symbols.  None the less, they don't mention
it much.

The historic flashback vignettes are wonderful, and the guy who plays
LaCroix does such a wonderfully nasty job it. :-)

Of course, it doesn't hurt my opinion of the show that I think
Gerraint Wyn Davies (the lead, Nick Knight) is gorgeous.

For those of you who haven't seen or heard of the show, picture this...

A vampire (Nick Knight) turned in the early 13th century has given
up killing mortals.  To make ammends for his past transgressions, he
now works as a detective with the Toronto Metro Homicide squad.
He tells people he's allergic to sunlight, so he can only work at
night.  One of the doctors in the Forensics lab knows he is a
vampire, and is helping him with his quest to become mortal again.
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From: umsister@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sisterson)
Subject: Re: Movie List
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:17:54 GMT

A few other vampire movies are:

Once Bitten
My best Friends is a Vampire
Dracula vs. Billy the Kid  (figure that one out for yourself)
not mentioned is Salem's Lot II
The Lost Platoon
The Daughter of Darkness
Vamp

Well, my brain is wracked. 
Casey
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From: tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens)
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:09:26 GMT

In article <christ.715616997@crash> christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel) writes:
.... deleted to save space ...........
>because I love garlic and have no aversion to crosses or holy land.. but I do have
>a small fear of water... if I'm so close to the typical vampire figure... then t

It's not the holy symbol itself to which a vampire has an aversion to but 
instead, it is the devotion and strength of belief with which the symbol is
held with.  With this in mind, star of david's, cross'es, etc can cause
aversion.  As for garlic, I've heard various differing opinions and statements.

.... deleted to save space ...........
>- Chris Trichel -
>my friends call me Vlad...


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From: bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener)
Subject: VAMPIRE, not "vampyres"
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:41:44 GMT

Just thought I'd let you know the spelling on your group is off... have a nice
	day...
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Sunday Times article on vampires
Date: 08 Sep 92 17:47:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <Bu7DCF.K7H@cs.bham.ac.uk> ard@cs.bham.ac.uk (Antoni Diller) writes:
>There was an article in yesterday's Sunday Times (UK) about the recent
>flood of vampire films and books (or soon to be flood).  There was a
>lot of speculation about the connection between this and AIDS; but there
>was also mention of the Marxist interpretation of vampires that I hadn't
>come across before in which the vampire is seen as the embodiment of
>the aristocracy, his victims are usually peasants, ie, he exploits them,
>and the vampire-hunter (the Van Helsing character) is seen as personifying
>the bourgeouisie (?):  well, now I know the truth!!

     This interpretation used to hold true, almost across the board.
With the recent "gothic punk" style vampires, though, you have to
throw this out the window.  Or, you could interpret the new style
as the proletariat striking back...

					-Phil


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From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Lost Boys
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:27:46 GMT

My vote for best Vampyre movie goes to Lost Boys!!!
I like the maggot rice myself

Terry Hughes    O   O
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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Forever Night
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 23:15:31 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I highly recommend checking out Forever Knight, which airs in the US on 
Tuesday nights at 11:30 on CBS(?) its part of the Crimetime after 
Primetime series..It has great historical flashbacks, an interesting 
premise, and is faithful to most classic aspects of the Vampyre mythos..

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From: vmzmeu@halcyon.com (Zmeu Vladimir-Martin)
Subject: Re: Vlad Tepes, a defense
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:38:03 GMT

cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G) writes:

>In article <z8mn88=@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep4.195514.7700@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jhugart@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jacob Hugart) writes:
>>>christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel) writes:
>>>>rom the rumanian area... Vlad Tepes (tep-esh) actually cultivated the rumor

Tepes is pronounced "Tsepesh."  
'   '
>>>>that he was a vampire to strike fear into his enemies and the people he
>>>>reigned over.  and the actual accounts of his death were never verified (not
>>>>all that suspec though becaue who kept records back then?)

>>>Ah, Vlad.  One of Europes nastiest despots.  Supposedly the model for Count
>>>Dracula in the original book.  But not really the source for all the vampire
>>>stories.
>>
>>I want to defend, yes, defend Vlad Tepes. He wasn't that despotic as people
....
>I'll second the defense, at least to this correction:  Vlad was emphatically
>NOT associated with rumors of vampirism.  He was actually a very canny
>chieftain, but didn't use that particular version of psychological warfare:
>Given all the other things he did, he didn't have to!  :-)

At one time, when he was committing acts of terror on the Saxon population
of Brasov and Sibiu, he was reported to have dined amidst his impaled 
victims and would dip his bread in their blood.  This was further expanded 
and exaggerated by Michael Boeheim, a German Meistersinger and soldier 
of fortune, who wrote a long ballad which included a verse suggesting 
that Vlad was a blood drinker.  See _Dracula, Prince of Many Faces_ by 
Radu Florescu and Raymon T. McNally.

>On the other hand, not too far away, Elizabeth Bathory was bathing in the
>blood of servants and kidnapped people because she had thought that some
>blood accidentally spilled on her skin softened and whitened it.  Better
>historical paradigms for blood crimes are to be found in Bathory and Gilles
>de Retz (several variant spellings of his name exist:  cf. also Rais), as
>opposed to the "Little Dragon."

Quite true regarding E.B., however, she lived a good century after Vlad 
Dracula.  A note on his name:  While the word "dracula" can have at least 
four different meanings, "dracul," meaning "dragon" or "devil," combined
with the ending "-a," "son of" or denoting a diminutive, it is more likely 
in this case to mean "Son of the Dragon" because his father was Vlad 
Dracul, who was honored with the Order of the Dragon.  

Al dumitale amic
in noapte eterna,

Zmeu Vladimir-Martin
Voivoda de Ardeal si Conte de Timisoara
From: cpearson@ducvax.auburn.edu (MISTYEYES)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Story...
Keywords: Brian Lumley, Vamphri
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:03:00 GMT
Organization: Auburn University--Auburn, AL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep6.165754.13431@bnr.ca>, ingmarsl@bcarh136.bnr.ca (Ingmar Slomic) writes...
>Hey all...
> 
>I am very distressed over the fact that no one has mentionned Brian Lumley's Necroscope series. Now there are some awesome vampires. My girlfriend and I both read Anne Rice's stuff, but I prefer the Vamphri (Lumleys vampires) since they are REALLY evil. 
> 
>Now, the Necroscope series consist of five books and doesn't concentrate on vampires exclusively. There is a lot of science fiction / fantasy and MUCHO HORROR.
> 
>If you're interested just in the intense vampire story, you may like to start with the third book NECROSCOPE III - THE SOURCE. The books I have are from the old publishing company and I believe that they are now on TOR HORROR.
> 
>Happy reading...
> 
>The BIG Ig
the books are on Tor Horror, they are 
Necroscope
Vamphryi
The Souce
The Source that is..
Deadspeak, so far only four of them...
I read them in order and seemed to be okay that way also..


Colleen
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Vampyre anime
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:05:06 GMT

In the vein (snicker) of those vamp movis you's been a-listin'....here's
an animated film out of Japan...
 
VAMPIRE HUNTER D  
 
(yes...vam-pi-r hun-tr dee)

Stick that in your list and alphabatise it...
 
...e

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From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Nosferatu: The Vampyre?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 03:00:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <something> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
In something I wrote:
>>It is noticibly different from the silent version (The clubfoot orchestra's
>>alternate soundtrack is highly recommended, especially live)
>
>Is this available anywhere?  The soundtrack on the video is lame, to
>say the least.
>
>>This is an incredibly delightful film.  It did not survive the transition to
>>videotape well, which answeres your question.  It is officially released, but
>>with poor quality.  This was at least a year and a half ago.  The poor
>>quality is apparently due to the use of a print played a considerable amount.
>
>Are you taking about the silent version, or the remake?
>
The soundtrack (and video with soundtrack) are available at least through
mail.  If anyone is interested I can find the address.  I was referring to
the Kinski remake, and the film has the scratches of a well-worn print.

Regards.
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Date: 8 Sep 1992 22:26:43 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Sep8.191436.20221@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders) writes:
>tHEre's is also another series of rather light, but fun vampire books, 
>I can't remember who wrote them, but they all have "Blood" in the titles.

	Pamela (I think) Huff wrote "Blood Price" and "Blood Hunt."
Blood Price is about a Canadian PI who meets a vampire in her hunt 
for a supernatural serial killer.  In "Blood Hunt", the two of them
try to solve who's shooting silver bullets at a family of werewolves.
Blood Hunt is better, IMHO, and has a great take on Werewolf families.
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From: balbert@orville.psu.edu (Kyr Velusian)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Followup-To: BDA104@psuvm.psu.edu 
Organization: Death, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 23:56:26 GMT

In article <SPIKE.92Sep4155104@coke.std.com> spike@coke.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>
>Both good and bad.  Off the top of my head:
>
>Near Dark
>Nosferatu 
>The Hunger
>Lost Boys
>The Vampire Lovers
>Vampire's Kiss
>Countless "Dracula"s

well, of the top of MY head.....
Vampyres      <lesbian twist>
Vamp
Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
The Fearless Vampire SLayers    <a classic!>
Fright Night


well, i know i've seen TONS more, but i have a mental block....


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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:39:35 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

The female vampyre in Dracula's Guest was most certainly inspired by 
J.Sheridan Le Fanu's story "Carmilla"..certainly one of the best peices 
of classical vampire fiction around..

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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:42:44 GMT

In article <christ.715616997@crash> christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel) writes:
>ctually it's very possible that vampires (american sp?) do exist... after a
>fashion.  I could be considered one by appearance and habit... I work graveyard
>shift so i sleep during the day.  This also makes me very pale. While i am thin
>i'm not scrawny and am remarkably strong for my size/weight.  I have dark
>colored hair... so far my self description sound pretty typical of a vampire.
>
>- Chris Trichel -
>my friends call me Vlad...
>

Hmmmmmm.  Where are you getting your stereotypes?  ;-)   According to the
desriptions presented in Montague Summers' books, Vampires are very often
NOT thin, and at least in some societies, RED HAIR was an indicator.  Also,
in some legends vampires CAN walk about in the sunlight (see Summers' comments
on "the noonday devil");  in fact, in the novel, Dracula is seen walking
about during the day, although Van Helsing (I think he's the one) lets us
know that he's in a weakened state.  It makes a difference whether we're
talking about the prototypical vampire of fiction, of screen, or of legend.

Cheers -
		Claude
From: lee@soda.berkeley.edu (Lee Thompson-Herbert)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
Date: 6 Sep 92 08:21:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep5.184244.2461@usl.edu> cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G) writes:
>
>Hmmmmmm.  Where are you getting your stereotypes?  ;-)   According to the
>desriptions presented in Montague Summers' books, Vampires are very often
>NOT thin, and at least in some societies, RED HAIR was an indicator.  Also,
>in some legends vampires CAN walk about in the sunlight (see Summers' comments
>on "the noonday devil");  in fact, in the novel, Dracula is seen walking
>about during the day, although Van Helsing (I think he's the one) lets us
>know that he's in a weakened state.  It makes a difference whether we're
>talking about the prototypical vampire of fiction, of screen, or of legend.

Uh oh.  Sounds like *I* fit all the attributes for your vampire. [grin]
Lesse, red hair, well-rounded, white-but-not-pale-skinned, don't go
out during the day unless I have to, and then my skin and eyes remind
me how much they dislike the California sun.

Then again, the red hair also designated _witch_ familes, or spirit mediums.
And my family has had plenty of redheads and masons in it. [I'm being 
facetious here].  Maybe we're just witches.

Actually, my husband is the best candidate for a real vampire I've ever
run into.  He's been known to terrify people with his *smile*.  Gee, you'd
think that fangs were abnormal, or something...[smirk]  He's had lots of 
fun with the would-be vampires at conventions.

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