From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [news.admin.policy]  MN.Org, umn.edu, and anatolia, was Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ
Followup-To: alt.censorship,news.admin.policy
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:15:10 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject:  MN.Org, umn.edu, and anatolia, was Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:53:20 GMT

Both Umn.edu and MN.Org have been tarred by the Argic brush.  As the
Mail Admin for MN.Org, I feel I should add to what Mr. Iacovou posted
a bit ago, some of which is quoted below:

In article <iacovou.725924649@gurney> iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) writes:
>In <C06782.IEC@ns1.nodak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic) write
>s:
>
>>(*) Serdar Argic(tm), sera@zuma.UUCP is a trademark of zuma UUCP brought to
>>you courtesy of anatolia.mn.org an Minnesota (umn.edu) affiliate.
>
>  Please, anatolia.mn.org is NOT sponsored by the University of Minnesota.
>  The owner of the site is a student at the University, but we do NOT feed
>  his site. The opinions voiced in the e-mail/news postings which originate
>  from anatolia.mn.org are NOT necessarily those of the University of
>  Minnesota proper.
>
[...]
>  Let me try to clarify the relationships between the UofMn, the .mn.org
>  domain, anatolia.mn.org, and Ahmet Cosar.
>
>  Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the  UofMn. He 
>  operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org
>  is a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides 
>  services to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of
>  Minnesota. 
>

Here is an excerpt from a little info blurb we send out to prospective
MN.Org members:

		       Draft revision of 1992-04-22.

In 1987 several Minnesota Unix enthusiaists set out to establish the first
Internet Domain Park in the world, the MN.ORG domain park.  This experiment
was a success.  In late 1991 / early 1992, the Unix Users of Minnesota (UUM)
user group assumed responsibility for the operation of the MN.ORG domain park,
adding capacity and stability to this already powerful resource.  Many of your
electronic "neighbors" have chosen to join the Minnesota domain park and claim
their place in the world network community.  We invite you to do the same.

[end of excerpt]

It should be stressed again that MN.Org consists of many INDEPENDENT
sites, some of whom are hobbyists, some consultants, some small
businesses, etc.  We number over 90 sites, these days.  Many MN.Org
members have been or are students at umn.edu, and there is a cordial,
cooperative relationship between MN.Org and the good folks at the U.
In the past year, with the help of several donor vendors, MN.Org now
has its own Internet gateway and is providing its own Nameservice,
with some umn.edu machines now providing a backup or secondary
function on our behalf.

So, Umn.edu does not oversee MN.Org operations, nor is it responsible
for MN.Org activities, except that it may cut off the backup services
if it disagrees with something we do, of course.

What about anatolia.mn.org?  As of the middle of next week, anatolia
will not longer be part of MN.Org.  From purely a resource standpoint,
MN.Org cannot provide the class of service necessary to support a site
that regularly attracts 9-Meg mail bombs.  (May all bombers rot in a
special level of Hell, with only BITNET access or something.)  From an
administrative standpoint, actions by or supported by site anatolia
have brought down universal discord from the Net community and this
has reflected badly (and unjustly) on Umn.Edu and the rest of the
sites in MN.Org.  I believe these are reasons enough for expulsion.
You other Admin folks out there know how difficult it is to go through
something like this and come out of it with a white hat on.

I post this article in the hopes that it clarifies some things
involved with this whole Argic/anatolia thing, and helps untarnish
the reputations of MN.Org and Umn.Edu.  You may direct further
questions or comments to me at "mailadm@mn.org".

Regards,

Clayton Haapala, Mail Admin for the MN.Org Domain Park
mailadm@mn.org

+1 612-542-9647 (you'll likely get an answering machine -- Email would
be better)
-- 
Clay Haapala				"Behold the Holy Pogo Stick"
clay@haapi.mn.org
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
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