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From: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin K. Longmuir)
Subject: PhoneNET Talk PC - LocalTalk and CAP report
Organisation: Research School of Social Sciences, Australian National University
Reply-To: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin Longmuir)
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:08:26 GMT

A LONG time ago (about 8 or 9 months), I posted a document on Farrallon's
PhoneNET Talk PC (LocalTalk only), it's out of date (since Netcomm Aust.
have told me that version 3.0 will be out in November); but it maybe useful
to some.

The file can be anonymously ftp'ed from sorokin.anu.edu.au


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: beckett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Beckett)
Subject: Re: AppleTalk 57.0.4 problems, where is NSI 1.2???
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Vanderbilt University Computer Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:50:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.091009.26754@cm.cf.ac.uk>, Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk
(Ralph Martin) wrote:
> 
> Hmm. I checked this out too. When I looked at NSI 1.2.3, all of the
> versions of the software on it according to the readme file are exactly
> the same as those on NSI 1.2.1. 
> 

The readme does not mention the Network Resources file, which is now
version 1.2.3.  But only Apple knows what's changed in there....


--Robert    BECKETT@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
  B26354    Vanderbilt University Computer Center
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: AppleTalk 57.0.4 problems, where is NSI 1.2???
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:55:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Newcastle Uni. Computing Services

In article <1992Oct1.091009.26754@cm.cf.ac.uk>, Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk
(Ralph Martin) wrote:
> 
> In article <Conrad_Nobili-300992010009@128.103.61.127> Conrad C. Nobili,
> Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU writes:
> >I did check out ftp.apple.com for the NSI 1.2 disk.  What I found was a
> >very new (this afternoon) NSI 1.2.3 disk, and some very old Network
> Product
> >Installer disks.  I checked out NSI 1.2.3 and it contains AppleTalk
> 57.0.4,
> >not something yet newer which might also solve the problem.
> 
> Hmm. I checked this out too. When I looked at NSI 1.2.3, all of the
> versions of the software on it according to the readme file are exactly
> the same as those on NSI 1.2.1. 
>

Not strictly true, the Network Resources file on NSI 1.2.3 is version
1.2.3, the NSI 1.2.1 disk has version Network Resource 1.2.1 (perhaps where
NSI gets it's version number from maybe???)
 
> The only difference in the readme file is that it mentions Appletalk
> 57.0.4 as giving greater performance on localtalk.
> 
> Is a new version of NSI (indeed, 2 new versions!) needed just to add one
> sentence to the docs? I doubt it, but I can't figure out what else might
> be up except that perhaps some of the installer scripts were faulty. If
> that's the case, are we recommended to reinstall with NSI 1.2.3?
> 
> Anyone from Apple care to comment?
> 
> Ralph

I would second this motion - there is a lot of confusion about what
networking software is 'current' and recommended for various machines.
Tone.
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Tony McDonald (Tone)                       Tony.McDonald@ncl.ac.uk
Computing Officer - Apple Mac Support      namm2@ncl.uk.ac
Newcastle University, NE1 7RU, UK
From: montaron@nebin.cica.fr (Laurent Montaron)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Several zones on the same cable.. Help needed
Keywords: zone, laserwriter, ethertalk
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:33:04 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

Our Macintoshes are on an ethernet cable, configured as an extended
ethertalk network. Net numbers range from 0.7 to 0.11

We have 4 zone names on this extended net. Let's call them A,B,C and D

The internet router defines 'A' as the default zone name.

So the LaserWriter decided that their zone name was 'A' but we'd like
them to be on zone 'C'.

Can anyone give me a PostScript program to force our LaserWriter to be
on zone 'C' ? Or better: is there a Macintosh Application fot that?
(LaserWriter Utility is able to change LaserWriter's name but not zone)

Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: mikeh@gordian.com (Mike Howard)
Subject: LocalTalk->Ethernet routing
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:28:39 GMT


    I am using a GatorBox to route a LocalTalk
network (with several Mac's on it) to Ethernet.
A SPARC running CAP software functions as a UNIX
file server for the Mac's on the LocalTalk segment.
While both Mac's were simultaneously downloading
large files from the SPARC station (800K+ files),
I noticed something peculiar while monitoring
the network activity using EtherPeek.  The underlying
ATP sessions for both Mac's seem to be serviced in an
almost orderly manner.... For example, MAC1 sends
his ATP Request packet to GatorBox requesting a full
8 packet ALO response ... this packet is then forwarded
to the File server.  The file server sends the 8 response
packets throught the GatorBox back to MAC1.  MAC1 should
then at this point send his Release packet back to the
file server through the GatorBox... 
    But, with the additional node, MAC2, simultaneously
doing similar file transactions, the following happens:
Instead of dumping MAC1's release packet right away, the
GatorBox appears to "hold on to it", by then sending out
any pending (previously "held") RELease packets for MAC2
followed by MAC2's request packet for 8 ALO response
packets.  These packets are then sent back via server
thru GatorBox, and then the RELease packet for MAC2's
ATP "burst" is then "held" while the previously held
REL packet from MAC1 is then sent out followed by a new
REQ (if any), and the whole cycle repeats itself in this
alternating form.
    To test this situation further, I added a third MAC 
doing similar file download at the same time from an
Ethernetted MAC (through AppleShare), thus going through
the router.  EtherPeek showed that again, the GatorBox
sequentially cycles between the three LocalTalk MAC
nodes , "holding" the REL for an 8 packet
ATP ALO burst until the other two LocalTalk nodes have
been serviced.
    The question is.... is this normal routing activity
or is the GatorBox doing some sort of special routing
"flow-control" for ATP?  It seems highly unlikely that
the previously described sequence could occur unless
GatorBox is doing just that.  I would appreciate any
information on this strange (but efficient) behavior!

			mikeh@gordian.com
From: westgate@LMIG.COM (Greg Westgate)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: "incompatible AFP version"???
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:53:57 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I have seen this happen as well. My environment does not contain a GatorBox, 
but it does contain a box from a competitor of theirs. I also was not using 
any Powerbooks. The problem for also went away after a reboot of both client 
and server. 

Xref: sparky comp.protocols.appletalk:3509 comp.sys.mac.comm:9571
From: Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ralph Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: AppleTalk 57.0.4 problems, where is NSI 1.2???
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:10:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F07EFD47012AC7@ralph.cm.cf.ac.uk>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:10:05 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

In article <Conrad_Nobili-300992010009@128.103.61.127> Conrad C. Nobili,
Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU writes:
>I did check out ftp.apple.com for the NSI 1.2 disk.  What I found was a
>very new (this afternoon) NSI 1.2.3 disk, and some very old Network
Product
>Installer disks.  I checked out NSI 1.2.3 and it contains AppleTalk
57.0.4,
>not something yet newer which might also solve the problem.

Hmm. I checked this out too. When I looked at NSI 1.2.3, all of the
versions of the software on it according to the readme file are exactly
the same as those on NSI 1.2.1. 

The only difference in the readme file is that it mentions Appletalk
57.0.4 as giving greater performance on localtalk.

Is a new version of NSI (indeed, 2 new versions!) needed just to add one
sentence to the docs? I doubt it, but I can't figure out what else might
be up except that perhaps some of the installer scripts were faulty. If
that's the case, are we recommended to reinstall with NSI 1.2.3?

Anyone from Apple care to comment?

Ralph
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.appletalk:3512 comp.sys.mac.comm:9582
From: jack@nic.csu.net
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: AppleTalk 57.0.4 problems, where is NSI 1.2???
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:13:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Information Resources and Technology

In article <beckett-011092095033@sdvmac1.cc.vanderbilt.edu>,
  beckett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Beckett) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.091009.26754@cm.cf.ac.uk>, Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk
> (Ralph Martin) wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. I checked this out too. When I looked at NSI 1.2.3, all of the
>> versions of the software on it according to the readme file are exactly
>> the same as those on NSI 1.2.1. 
>> 
> 
> The readme does not mention the Network Resources file, which is now
> version 1.2.3.  But only Apple knows what's changed in there....
> 
> 
> --Robert    BECKETT@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
>   B26354    Vanderbilt University Computer Center

I looked at the Network Resources file with ResEdit and discovered what
appears to be AppleTalk 57.0.7.  What gives?

  --Jack

--
Jack@nic.csu.net
California State University
Network Engineering Group
From: wstrain@ppe.ppd.ti.com (Jeff Strain)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: ATM (*NOT* Adobe Type Manager!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:30:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: amber.9209291930.AA22682

Does anybody know where I might find information on the much ballyhood
Asynchronus Transfer Mode protocol being developed by Apple et al?

By the way, since I was not 100% sure that this was the proper group, I
have cross posted to comp.protocols.misc.

Thanks and Regards,

Jeff Strain
wstrain@ppe.ppd.ti.com
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.appletalk:3537 comp.sys.mac.comm:9689
From: buzz@apple.com. (Steve Bollinger)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: 57.0.7? (was: AppleTalk 57.0.4 problems)
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:29:19 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <Conrad_Nobili-021092185222@nobili.harvard.edu>,
Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct1.091330.2791@nic.csu.net>, jack@nic.csu.net wrote:
> 
> > I looked at the Network Resources file with ResEdit and discovered what
> > appears to be AppleTalk 57.0.7.  What gives?
> 
> Goddammit....  I had just done Get Info on the AppleTalk file in the
> AppleTalk Files folder on the disk....  I see what you are talking about
> now with ResEdit....
> 
> Maybe I will try that version after all to see if it works with Liaison
> 3.0.3 and an ethernet card....
> 
> Having to grope around in these things with ResEdit to find version
> numbers, and especially not having ready access to older versions when
> necessary, is extremely annoying....

You're spending too much time in ResEdit. The 57.0.7 you see is the version
number of the LocalTalk drivers. This will probably not affect your problem
with Liason. As far as I can tell (and I don't speak for Farallon or Apple
here)
Liason has to be revised with almost every new version of AppleTalk we
release. Its because they cheat too much. I would recommend getting a
different
router if you can afford it, and failing that, just don't upgrade your
AppleTalk on that machine. When you get a setup that works, keep the
floppies
around you used to create that setup. That includes the NSI version.

If you want to check the version of AppleTalk on a disk (without running
it),
the most accurate thing to check is the 'DRVR' 9 resource (.MPP). On an NSI
disk this is found in the AppleTalk file in the same folder as the
Network Resources file. If you check NSI 1.2.3, you will see it still has
57.0.4 as its version number on .MPP. Note: just because I'm telling you
this
doesn't mean it necessarily going to be this way forever. So There! ;)

The 57.0.7 LocalTalk is a fix to improve LocalTalk performance under
stressful
conditions.

-Steve Bollinger
From: bobw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Help w/Eudora/MACtcp/Gator combo
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:34:39 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I am trying to install a Eudora POPmail client on a MAC lab via a GatorBox.
MACtcp 1.1 came with the Eudora package and as the instructions stat, I put
the MACtcp parts in control panels. I would like to use dynamic (or server)
addressing from the GatorBox but MACtcp seems to ignore the Gator. The
non-MACtcp BYU-Telnet works just fine (using the Gator with dynamic
addresses) if I unload the MACtcp from the control panels and reboot. There 
is no documentation on MACtcp with Eudora so I am a bit lost as to how to 
configure MACtcp or the Gator.
Anyone using a Gator/Eudora system that can set me in the right direction?
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From: agust@risken.vd.volvo.se (Anders Gustafsson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP problem, Ultrix 4.2
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:24:16 GMT

I recently got the CAP60 sources, pl 126, and tried to install them on our
Decstation 5000/125 running Ultrix 4.2. 

I configured for Native Ethertalk Phase 2, and built the programs,
without any trouble. The problem occured when I tried to start the
aarpd daemon:

% /usr/local/cap/aarpd ln0 "My zone"
open: ln0: No such device
15:07:14 09/27/92  pi_open: aarp_init: No such device
init_enet: network initialization failed

As far as I can see, 'ln0' is the name of the ethernet interface
(ifconfig accepts it), and the packet filter special files /dev/pf/pfilt*
exist.

I ran aarpd through a debugger and found that the pfopen("ln0", ...)
failed with the error message 'No such device'. A closer examination
showed that pfopen() calls open("/dev/eneta0", ..). /dev/eneta0 does
not exist on our machine...

Any hints appriciated,

Anders
From: haubenst@ERIM.ORG (Rick Haubenstricker)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP 6.0 on sunos 4.1.3
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:29:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Has anyone gotten CAP to run on a Sun Sparc 1 running sunos 4.1.3, 
or on a Sun 630 running 4.1.3?

Thanks

Rick
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haubenst@erim.org
Rick Haubenstricker
Environmental Research Institute of Michigan
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From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Question about Apple's Internet Router
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:39:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

A little while back, I read in one of the newsgroups that the internet router
would allow you to route packets between ethernet and appletalk using a mac.

Is this true?  I'd much rather dedicate a SE or CLASSIC than buy a Gatorbox
or a FastPath.

Thanks..Ken Lam


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Senior Systems Consultant--Integrated Technical Systems     (803)-792-5446(FAX)
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From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Syatem 7 Sharing vrs. Apple Share
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:53:14 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

File sharing has a limitation of 10 simultaneous users whereas AS 3.0
can service up to 120 users.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Subject: CAP Appletalk Zones
Originator: adam@acapella
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:51:54 GMT


With CAP 6.0 pl 126 on a Sun (4.1.2 OS, Native Ethertalk) how do I
make sure I'm setting up a zone properly?  aarpd complains "zone
unknown" when I try to seed it with etalk.local and/or assign it on
the command line.

(There's another Sun setting up its own zone, and I keep getting stuck
in his zone instead of creating my own.)

How do I use the CAP programs to create my own zone??

-- 
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NEC Research Institute:609/951-2568  4 Independence Way,Princeton,NJ,08540
From: sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu (Stewart N. Abramson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: We Need Help With CAP
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:07:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.6711
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi out there.

We would like to print from Macs (sys 7) and a Sun4 (4.1.2) to an Apple
Personal Laserwriter NT that is connected directly to the ethernet with
a Dayna EtherPrint Box.

Is CAP running on the Sun what we want???  Can someone out there help
a Mac person get CAP running on our Sun???

We will really appreciate ANY help.

Thanks
Stewart

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From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Eithernet - AppleTalk and the Mac Quadra 700.
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.020138.5227@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper) writes:
>We've recently recieved two new Quadra that we'd like to put on out eithernet
>backbone. Problem is we'd also like the Quadras to remain as part of our
>AppleTalk Phase 2 Zone. 
>  
>     Any suggestions? 

Well, you _can_ have both depending on what it is you want to do.  There
is no problem with doing Appletalk through the localtalk port and other
things (like MacTCP) through the ethernet port.  But if you want the
speed advantage of ethernet for you Appletalk communications, you'll need
a router connecting the two networks (such as a Shiva Fastpath, Gatorbox,
or Apple Internet Router software running on one fo the Quadras).  Once
you have a router, you can establish Phase 2 zones on the ethernet as part
of the router configuration (including extending an existing localtalk
based zone onto the ethernet and/or other localtalk nets).  Once you've
done that, double-clicking the "Ethertalk" icon in the "Network" control
panel will pop up a box listing all the zones on the ethertalk network, and
you can choose which one you want to place you machine in.

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From: operator@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: 7.0 LW driver, Imagens, and CAP 5.0
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:09:27 MST
Distribution: world

I have a problem that seems to involve CAP.  We have an Imagen 7320 sitting
on ethernet with a queue on a Sun 3/160.  It is running CAP 5.0 still because
we will be upgrading soon to a SPARC and are waiting to update our CAP then.
Anyways, the problem is this, when our Macs were using 6.0.2 LaserWriter 
drivers, things printed fine.  However, we placed 7.0 drivers on them and
now the print jobs to the Imagen are not printing.  We looked at the spooled
jobs before and after CAP and they are definitely different.  My question is
if anyone knows if we change to CAP 6.0, should the print jobs come out alright
on the Imagen?  If I need to provide more information, please let me know since
we are anxious to know if an update will solve our problem.  Thanks for
any replies.
						Bryan Strong

EMAIL: bstrong@oz.bmd.trw.com    or   Bryan_Strong@oz.bmd.trw.com
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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: PhoneNET Talk PC - LocalTalk and CAP report
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:17:51 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <gavin.717667706@sorokin> gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin K.
Longmuir) writes:
>A LONG time ago (about 8 or 9 months), I posted a document on Farrallon's
>PhoneNET Talk PC (LocalTalk only), it's out of date (since Netcomm Aust.
>have told me that version 3.0 will be out in November); but it maybe useful
>to some.

They've been promising "next month" for months now.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk