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From: mott@rp.CSIRO.AU (Martin Ott)
Subject: Re: A microshort story
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:37:37 GMT

In article <51512@licra.dn.mu.oz.au> DAVIS@licra.dn.mu.oz.au writes:
>My daughter's first science fiction story.  Remember this name.
>THE MOON AND THE STARS by Laura Davis, age 2.  (Copyright (c) 1992)  8^}

Congrats, 
but try to raise her as a 'normal' child, dont teach her writing
before age of 7....
Else she might revise Asimov and Leguin's work by the age of 5.


Martin

P.S.: plz put me on the distribution list for upcomming anthologies.

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From: jgreely@morganucodon.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Pournelle isn't PC, minor Man-Kzin Wars V spoiler
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:57:10 GMT
Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science

In article <1992Sep29.021424.4564@unixland.natick.ma.us>
 eclipse@unixland.natick.ma.us (Mark Urbin) writes:
>  I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I got the spot were Ed Gruberman
>yelled out "I WILL BOOT YOU IN THE HEAD!"  I didn't know that Tae Kown Leap
>was taught on Wunderland :->.

I thought they were a bit heavy-handed with that particular reference.
Definitely a "funny-once".
-- 
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From: simon@shiva.trl.OZ.AU (Simon Michnowicz - A Free Spirit)
Subject: Re: Alan Garner
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:37:24 GMT

martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones) writes:


>I have really enjoyed the fantasy books by Alan Garner _Red Shift_,
>_The Owl Service_, _Elidor_, _The Weirdstone of ???_. I remember hearing 
>that he has since written non-fantasy novels. Has anyone read these and 
>did you enjoy them as much as his fantasy works?


>				Martin K. Jones
>	   			University of Alabama at Birmingham
>	   			MARTIN@ARU.DOM.UAB.EDU


You forget of course the Moon Of Gomrath, the incredible sequel to the
Weirdstone.  I have not heard of any other books by this author though.

While I did not enjoy Red Shift much, I find it amazing how Garner
mixes the normal world with the "fantastic" world, with the characters
slipping between them... Elidor and Moon Of Gomrath are very good like that. 

	Cheers
		Simon Michnowicz

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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (spoilers now)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:32:30 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.sf.written article, Richard Iswara  wrote:
>On 29-Sep-92 Heather Garvey writes:
>> 
>>and that she is *Kerowyn's* Companion? :-) <wonders if Kero's a
>>mage, too. :)>
>> 
>It is not likely that Kero is mage gifted. I would imagine that if she is, 
>Kethry would find that out when she was trained. As for why Savil is back, 
>who knows? Maybe she is the one that will call out to Vanyel?

In _By_the_Sword_, Kethry explicitly tests Kero for the mage gifts and
determines that she has none. She then has Warrl determine whether or
not Kero has mind magic; it/he determines that she does and trains
her in its use.

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From: goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:09:37 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC

In article <27SEP199217585095@venus.tamu.edu> spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>
> Why did Bob Heinlein use pidgin English for _The Moon Is A Harsh
> Mistress_? 'Cause the narrator was supposed to have been raised in an
> environment where the Queen's English was not spoken.

More specifically, I saw it as an example of the effect that Russian
had had on the English-speaking Luna colonies.  For example, the lack
of articles in speech, or the use of works such as "gospodin" and
"gospozha" (Russian for "Mr." & "Mrs.".).

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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
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Subject: Re: Notes on Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:09:33 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)

In article <1aasf0INN7tv@agate.berkeley.edu>, lizi@ocf (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes:
>If the analogy holds, then psychohistory could predict "climate" and
>"climate shifts" but not the "day to day weather" - which would
>probably have been just fine with Dr. Seldin.

And part of chaos theory is turning into chaotic _control_ theory.  We
now know how to go into certain chaotic systems and set up specialized
feedbacks to control the system.  Shades of Second Foundation!
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From: bgm@meaddata.com (Brian McKee)
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan's "Shadow Rising"
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:21:41 GMT
Distribution: usa

A local (huge!) bookstore here in Dayton called Books & Co. has "Shadow Rising".
I bought it last night, and found out the Robert Jordan was there for a book 
signing! I wish I had known ahead of time so I could have brought all 4 in The
Wheel of Time series  Several people had ALL of his books, including his Conan
books and several written under pseudonyms -- he mentioned writing westerns and
historical (e.g. civil war) novels under the names Reagan O'neill and 
-something- O'Reilly.

Jordan was quite interesting and personable.  He said he used to be an
engineer of somekind.  He LOOKED and sounded somewhat like a computer-type (a
little nerdy -- I can say that, since I'm one too :-). It took FOREVER to get 
through the few people who were there for the signing (it wasn't advertised, 
at least not very well), because he took a break between each book he signed 
to tell a little bit more about himself (which was definitely intersting).  
Several people asked, of course, how the series was going to end, and, of 
course, he wouldn't say, except to suggest finding out by buying the book when
it's published.

He mentioned that there was a special limited edition set of the four books in
the series so far being published in leather bound, gold-inset (?) volumes,
selling for around $200 (or was it $200 per book?). I think he said only
200 copies would be published (200 seemed to come up a lot in his dialogue :-). 

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From: tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker 817)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Anne McCaffery's "Crystal Line", reviews/spoilers
Keywords: McCaffery, Crystal Singers
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:34:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: smsc.1992Oct5.213413.8859
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp.


(*SPOILER ALERT*)
























I just went out and read the latest addition to the "Crystal Singer" series over
the weekend and thought I would give some words of warning before too many other
people buy it.

McCaffery's (sp?) style has gotten worse since the original two Singer books.  It was pretty obvious that this one does not hold together as well as the first
two, and at times I wondered if maybe Anne is starting to lose it :-)

The problems:

   o The story wonders around too much.  At times she would make quick changes,
     and I had to back up and re-read to make certain that I was following along
     correctly.  This points to poor writing/editing, and it suprised me.

   o She has introduced a number of items from her other books into the "Singer"
     universe.  Most notable are from the "The Ship who Sang".  If you haven't
     read these other non-"Singer" books, you might start off a little confused
     since McCaffery doesn't spend much time explaining these new items.

   o The plot device used to restore "Killa's" memory was too out of character,
     occupied a large section of the book, and then seems to get dropped.  I
     didn't like this.  Unless she plans to continue the series with this new
     entity as a returning character, it was a big waste of time.

   o The story had great potential for character development, but it was skim-
     med over in favor of time spent with the liquid metal entity (yes, you
     heard right, shades to T2).  This is was disappointed me the most, since
     the relationship/character aspect was very strong in the "Singer" books.

My advice, wait for the paperback version...

Tim
tucker@smsc.sony.com
     and not
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From: blum@news.ils.nwu.edu (Daniel Blum)
Subject: Re: Heinlein reference in Sturgeons "The Golden Helix"
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:38:11 GMT

The reference is to "Goldfish Bowl," available in _The Menace From Earth_.

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From: root@austin.ibm.com
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Subject: Re: Robert Jordan's "Shadow Rising"
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:47:12 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: root@tara.austin.ibm.com


    Where did you find it?  I went to the book store last night and they said publisher 
wasn't releasing it until 11/15.

         Anxiously Waiting.
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From: holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe))
Subject: Re: Any comments on ENTROVERSE by James Hogan?
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Distribution: intergalactic
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:50:46 GMT

>billd@informix.com (William Daul) asks:
>> Any comments on ENTROVERSE by James Hogan?

dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) responds:
>Bleauuugh (all over the carpet).
>Ditto for the other 3 books in the series.  What a waste of trees.

I truly admire objective, in-depth, well-thought-out reviews like
that one. :-)

Actually, I liked _Entoverse_, although it wasn't good enough to leave
a memorable impression.  The first book in the series, _Inherit the
Stars_, is IMHO Hogan's best book and one of my favorite books overall.
But Hogan is a buy-on-sight author for me, anyway.

How about reading some Piers Anthony to acquire some taste, Paul? :-) :-)

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Subject: Re: Barrayar
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:11:05 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

In article <92272.205250CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>, <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Any Bujold fans beside me mildly upset at that one? It felt so much like a
> paler rehash of Shards of Honor. 

Barrayar was my first Bujold read, and I still think it the best.
I just finished Shards of Honor (I've also read Warrior's Apprentice, Vor Game,
Borders of Infinity and, uh, I forget one more).

I was disappointed by Shards of Honor, probably for the same reasons you didn't
like Barrayar:  not much was added to the depth of character by reading the
other book.  I expected a much bigger role from Bothari and Koudelka in SoH,
having read Barrayar first.  I was hoping to see Bothari go from bad to worse
to worse, and finally lash out, and imprint onto Cordelia, instead, he goes
from bad to lashing out, and I'm not sure how he ends up so dependent on her
that he describes himself as her dog in Barrayar.

Joel
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From: stjohns@hamlet.umd.edu (Mike St. Johns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Looking for 2 books: help on author & title needed.
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:05:21 GMT
Organization: UofMaryland, College Park
In-reply-to: rene@iesd.auc.dk's message of 29 Sep 92 11:49:01 GMT

In article <RENE.92Sep29114901@solsort.iesd.auc.dk> rene@iesd.auc.dk (Rene Boe Soerensen) writes:

   The first book was about a second rate actor who gets drafted into
   acting as President/Ambassador/Businessman when this P./A./B. gets
   kidnapped, since he has a striking similarity to this P./A./B. and
   this P./A./B. has to appear before the public. This is done to gain
   time to find the real P./A./B.

This is "Doublestar" by Robert Heinlein - Hugo winner.

Mike


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From: mcconnel@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell)
Subject: Re: Piers Plowman
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.165435.7719@ac.dal.ca>, hyde@ac.dal.ca writes:

>	There are two series from the early '70s.  One involves three
>	characters, a vegetarian man, omnivorous woman, and a man who
>	eats only meat.  A trifle flaky, but not bad.

These are Omnivore, Ox, and Orn.  

Mike McConnell
Dept. of Mathematics
Kent State University
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From: eclipse@unixland.natick.ma.us (Mark Urbin)
Subject: Pournelle isn't PC, minor Man-Kzin Wars V spoiler
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:14:24 GMT



In article <6357@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.150837.25375@unixland.natick.ma.us> eclipse@unixland.natick.ma.us (Mark Urbin) writes:
>>In article <5947@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>>>From article <6722@transfer.stratus.com>, by dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber):
>>>> I disagree.  Most of the Pournelle-bashing I've seen has criticized him for
>>>> being a right-wing warmonger.  They might not use those exact words, but that
>>>> seems to be the gist.
>	That certainly does appear to be the gist of most of the Pournelle
>slams I've seen. However, if the stuff I've seen of his (tempered by 
>Niven) is at all representative, "right-wing" is a misinterpretation.
>I don't consider, for example, Heinlein to have been right-wing -- that's
>a one-dimensional thinking error, analagous to asking an atheist if he
>worships God or the Devil. Libertarianism and some other philosophies
>tend to be at right angles to the established system and can't be judged
>on that dimension.
>>   If you want to find out where Pournelle picked up his style and subject
>>for writing, read H. Beam Piper.  Pournelle writes fairly decent military
>>based
>	Er, depends on WHICH HBP, eh? I don't think Pournelle's style
>and subject were derived from _Little Fuzzy_...

   True, it's the Empire & Space Viking stuff.  Pournelle did manage to get
a fuzzy reference in Man-Kzin Wars V.  Nasty little bipeds with fuzzy fur,
big eyes, long sharp teeth and a real bad attitude.  Called Beam's Creatures.
No one on Wunderland seems to know were that name came from.
  I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I got the spot were Ed Gruberman
yelled out "I WILL BOOT YOU IN THE HEAD!"  I didn't know that Tae Kown Leap
was taught on Wunderland :->.

>>  As being a warmonger, that's a bit harsh.  He reminds the reader that there
>>are barbarians at the gate throwing stones.  In order to keep the barbarians 
>>from buring the library, make sure you can throw stones farther and straighter.
>	And that part, at least, of Pournelle's philosophy is basically
>on target...
>
>
>				Sea Wasp

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From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: Books I Hate to Love
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:21:49 GMT

In article <BvEM73.Ln7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
|> The recent thread on linguistic SF led me to think about books
|> I hate to love -- that is, books that advocate a world view
|> I have profound disagreements with, that does not IMHO really
|> resemble what goes on on this planet at all -- but books so good
|> that I end up re-reading the damn things every few years.
|> 
|> And I'm not talking about books with ethical premises I
|> perceive as evil -- but with those I perceive as alien.
|> That is, the ethical premises advocated ring true in the
|> world described. It's just that I don't really think the
|> world is Earth. 
|> 
|> And the winner is:
|> 
|> 1) That Hideous Strength, by C.S. Lewis. (How could his Fairy 
|>    Hardcastle character have anticipated Camille Paglia so well? :-) )
|> 
|> 2) Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. (And of course it's really science
|>    fiction...)
|> 
|> 3) Maybe you were wondering what linguistic SF has to do with this.
|>    Well, I was thinking of Native Tongue and The Judas Rose,
|>    by Suzette Haden Elgin. 
|> 
|>    Almost unbearably well-written and entertaining. I particularly
|>    like her names, which I find as delicious as Gilbert and 
|>    Sullivan names. Maccabee Dow, Aaron Adiness, Perpetua Chornyak,
|>    Emanyew Bydore, etc.    
|> 
|>    But just as Ayn Rand created her world to advocate libertarianism
|>    and C.S. Lewis to advocate Christianity, Ms. Elgin seems to
|>    have tailor-made her world to advocate the intrinsic goodness
|>    of women and the intrinsic evil of men.
|> 
|>    Now that may be "feminism" -- on Mars. But not from where I
|>    stand.
|> 
|> So why is it I can't put these damn books down?  

I think you know the reason.  They are, in your own words, "Almost
unbearably well written and entertaining."  It always comes back to
that, doesn't it?  Those are the characteristics of the books we never
forget.  No matter how much we disagree with the philosophy or how
uncomfortable the setting may make us.

Mike Lynch
mdl@oscar.bellcore.com
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Subject: send
From: rwilley@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Hrothgar)
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:29:00 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I'm (so far) futilely searching for a copy of a book called
"The Big U".  (the author is unknown, unfortunately.  It is a comic look at
life at the megaversity.  I saw a copy of the book once, over the summer, but
couldn't convince the owner to part with it.  If anyone out there knows of a
copy availible for sale, please jot off a note.

				richard willey
				rwilley@eagle.wesleyan.edu
				
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From: spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:32:00 GMT

Curtis Yarvin writes...
>This is a rhetorical device invented by the Greek poet and brewer
>Mavricles of Thebes.
>He called it "demonstrandus anthonius."  Rediscovered in 1860 by the
>peripatetic English pawnbroker, Charlesby-Hunt, it has recently
>enjoyed a vogue, and most modern thinkers consider it one of the
>more effective weapons in the advanced rhetorical arsenal.
>A rough translation would be "proof by wordplay," although a
>minority of wags continues to insist on "proof by pun."
>c
>and it's _Clemens_, dammit

+----------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+
..which in turn is an example of what we in the illiterate profession call
"dodging the issue."

Hoban in neither unique nor especially remarkable in creating a difficult
dialect and giving it to his characters as their native tongue.

You seem upset that Hoban did not translate his English into your American
(or whatever it is you speak).

I elect to contest this by presenting the fact that many writers present
dialogue or narration in dialect;  Twain, Heinlein, Burgess, Joyce, u.s.w.

I fail to see how the relevence of an analogy stated "A is like B because C"
is rebutted by your "No it isn't."

Further, my guess is that the functional value of this tread is very nearly
over as your last post makes no reference at all to the subject allegedly
under consideration, instead discussing my previous post.






Yours etc.,




SubGenius
From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Coming of Age novels (was Re: Count Geiger's Blues and Jumper)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 11:07:49 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
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_The Blue Hawk_ by Peter Dickenson.  One of my favorites.
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From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Co-Dominium Universe
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:06:30 GMT

In article <5966@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>Why I would consider Pournelle a warmonger is that he tends to ignore
>[other] options because he is too fond of the military ones, and
>consequently tends to portray situations in his books where those
>options do not exist or work.
...
>... Desert Storm, where the US generals argued for trying non-violent
>solutions first, while, as it now appears, Bush favored a military
>solution from the start (this is pretty close to what I perceive as
>Pournelle's stance in general).

On Desert Storm, at least, on his GEnie RoundTable Jerry Pournelle
said several times (while it was still "Desert Shield") that we should
not get in a war with Iraq.  After the shooting started, he said that
now that we had put our foot in it, we had no choice but to finish it.

He has also stated on his GEnie RT that one of the things he was
worried about was that the US might, post-USSR, get involved militarily
in things around the world that we have no business getting involved in.

(This is based on memory, but I don't think I am seriously
misrepresenting his position here.)

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