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From: hawrysch@husc4.harvard.edu (George Hawrysch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re:Looking for Tai Chi Class/Teacher in Boston Area
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:17:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>   I am looking for a Tai Chi Teacher that teached classes on the weekends.

Try Arthur Goodridge, 617-643-4534. He teaches on weekends in the
Cambridge area. Has about 30 years experience. Pretty scary guy in
a quiet sort of way.

--George--
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Gung-Fu
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:22:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.043007.22920@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO) writes:
>      I was curious about the various styles of Gung-Fu.......
>      I am coming from WTF TKD and would like to begin training in
>Gung-Fu.  The closest kwoon to my place teaches Shaolin Chuan-Fa....

	Shaolin Chuan-Fa is a pretty generic term, like "Karate" or "Jujitsu".
Chuan-fa literally means fist method, and Shaolin refers to the famous temples
in China to which many kung-fu styles trace their lineage.

>and an acquaintance of mine who trains at another branch of the school 
>describes the Gung-Fu style as Five Animal Style......Can anyone tell
>me what the actual name of this style is?  Is it Shaolin Chuan-Fa?  Or
>is
>it another style, like Hung Gar, or Tai Mantis, etc.....  Can anyone
>give me a description of the style?

	Many KF systems use animal styles. I think the older ones concentrate
on the animals - I think that Hung Gar emphasizes the Crane and Tiger aspects.

>i.e. does it emphasize in-close fighting?  high kicking?  grappling,
>etc.?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.....Thanks!!

	Different animals have different emphasis - monkey is groundwork, horse
is kicking, tiger is powerful hand techniques (ripping, tearing, close range),
crane is long range hand and kicks, dragon emphasizes oblique angles and
getting around the opponent.

	Good luck,
	Stephen Chan
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From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: More Questions
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:29:05 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.

In article <1992Dec27.210418.11237@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>In actize@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>>Hello netters.  What's the counter to this move ?   Attacker & Defender face 
>>each other as boxer usually do.  Attacker kicks defender in midsection with 
>>rear foot.  Defender drops lead hand to down to deflect kick.  Attacker steps 
>>in and punches the defender, who dropped his guard deflecting the kick . ???  
>
>Is this tournament play with rules or self defense?  What kind of 
>training can we assume for the defender?  Can he kick, catch and 
>lock the attacker's leg, punch effectively?
>--
>Richard A. Drury
>drury@helix.nih.gov

Assuming that we're talking about a tournament situation (no grappling),
you might want to block the kick with your elbow without actually lowering
your guard.  You shouldn't just stand there, either.  You could step forward
with your rear foot so you're inside his range and turn the block into an
uppercut, f'r instance.  Heck, you could block the kick with your shin
instead of your hand and he can't move inside.

bill
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From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re: where to buy a CLUB for my car
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:54:31 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Dec18.213931.12473@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>Next California will outlaw the practice of martial arts.
 
   If that happens maybe they can spend their resulting
   freetime learning how to drive in SNOW and ICE.  Then 
   when they move to Oregon they won't clog up all the 
   roads during the winter storms. :-)

   I just went thru an utterly crazy commute home last
   week during our first big snow.  I have never seen the
   numbers of clueless winter drivers we now seem to have
   in Oregon.  

   BTW This has little or no MA content. In fact what I
   really want to know is could Hal Roach drive in snow.


-- 
Robert Stroud       Robert_Stroud@simulacrum.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club   Portland Oregon USA
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Thai kickboxing
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 09:53:32 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>/(mary)
>/My point was that drinking messes you up, to a greater or lesser degree.  
>/If you drink, to be on the safe side, you should assume that it will have 
>/some negative effect on just about anything you do.  It will, in general, 
>/assist you in being loud, obnoxious, belligerent, and stupid, but that's 
>/about it.  
>
>I'm sorry; this is pure horeshit.  People (and myself included) drink
>3 or 4 beers without turning into uncontrollable gamecocks trying to tear
>each other apart.  It may make *you* loud, obnoxious, belligerent and
>stupid, but that's no reason to assume that all people have the same
>reaction.   The effects of alcohol vary from person to person.  Some
>people are assholes; some get _very_ friendly, others just get sleepy
>or cry a lot (extreme drunkenness, we're talking about here).  But the 
>point is that you seem to think that alcohol is some kind of drug
>that turns normally rational people into hatchet-wielding maniacs.  

No, she is saying that serious drinking diminishes your capacity
to defend yourself.  Alcohol weakens the social inhibitions that
tend to keep you from doing and saying things that other (maybe
huge and equally uninhibited) people might find offensive.  Your
reaction time degrades.  Your sense of balance gets unreliable.
Your situational awareness is dulled.  You become a much more
attractive target for the discriminating mugger lurking in the
parking lot.  Etc., etc., etc.  I would be the last to tell you
to stop drinking, but you ar just kidding yourself if you 
imagine that has no effect on your ability to defend yourself.
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
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From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: dangers in falling
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:39:25 EST

I'd be interested in hearing what people have to say about falling on
hard surfaces; some ways that are fine on mats won't work away from
mats.

Elliott Chapin
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From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: religion vs. philosophy
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:42:04 -0500


SCX> IMNSHO, the spiritual aspects of _some_ MA are not necessarily related
SCX>to religion. But other MA have (as far as I can tell) the same
SCX>characteristics as religions & cults, except that they call
SCX>themselves philosophies and "ways", which have considerably less
SCX>semantic baggage than God and religion.

I believe you are correct: pragmatic semantics.

Down here in the East Texas Bible Belt, a martial art which touted
itself as a religion would be a hard sell. Occasionally, we have a
hard time explaining to parents that all we teach is a martial art, not
a religion (...No'mam, we just bow to the flags outa respect, they ain't
no idols hid out in this here dojang...).

Peace in our time,

Tom
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re: where to buy a CLUB for my car
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:17:18 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Dec21.174105.8403@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>In article <14148@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>>   I just went thru an utterly crazy commute home last
>>   week during our first big snow.  I have never seen the
>>   numbers of clueless winter drivers we now seem to have
>>   in Oregon.  
>>
>>   BTW This has little or no MA content. In fact what I
>>   really want to know is could Hal Roach drive in snow.
>>
>
>That's not important. Please don't waste the time of this newsgroup with
>irrelevencies like this. The *important* question is, could Hal Roach drive 
>in the snow *better than Bruce Lee*.
>

With a claw hammer.

Steve
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: thrust versus slash -- a SEAL's response
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:02:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.080953.9384@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>>>> >> Expert MA knife fighters will _typically_ slash, not thrust.  Thrusting
>>
>>	Only if the 'expert MA knife fighter' has no idea what he is doing.

>This is a seriously dangerous mistake to make. 

	[deletions]

	Methinks this whole discussion ignores context.  Both slashing and
	thrusting strikes can be enormously effective when properly used.
	Likewise, each can fail miserably when misapplied.

	E.g., when taking sentries, a thrusting strike is generally used.
	Most armed forces are taught to use a thrust through the throat
	just below the voice box.  This is generally very effective since
	the shock to the system is so great as to be immediately incapacitating

	On the other hand, if one is attacked (perhaps with a knife) one may,
	depending on the exact nature of the attack, choose to respond with
	a slash to an extremity ("de-fanging the snake" ref. Vunak).  Each has
	its appropriate application.  To categorically rule out *any* tactic
	is, IMNSHO, foolish.

	-Andy V.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Thai kickboxing
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:56:13 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec27.035210.23364@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>He says (he is a five-discipline black belt) that
>the thai kickboxers usually beat the ever-living shit out of anyone
>else at open martial arts tournaments.
[...]
>2.  If it is true, then why does anyone else bother to study other
>disciplines?  I mean, what is the point?

Because muay Thai training is extremely rigorous (some might say brutal).
Muay Thai fighters prevail because they are just plain tougher than anyone
else.  Of course this means that very few muay Thai fighters have meaningful
careers after age 25; their bodies are just worn out.

At the other extreme, T'ai Chi has a reputation for healing the body, and
T'ai Chi masters remain effective fighters well into old age.  Frankly, 
I can't imagine why anyone would bother to study other disciplines.  I
mean, what's the point?

The point is, different people have different priorities, and some arts
suit those priorities better than others.

>3.  Does it operate on the poomseh/kata training principle, or is thai
>kickboxing more like american judo, where there is less emphasis on the
>traditional forms?

Muay Thai training operates on the principle that you hit and kick lots of
stuff and get generally beat up until your body learns to deal with the
trauma.


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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Savate
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:30:49 GMT

In article <725174873.AA07224@urchin.fidonet.org> Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall) writes:
>PH>Apparently the practice of foot-fighting arose among the rougher
>PH>elements of French society around 1800, for reasons that are
>PH>unclear; around 1820, someone...systematized this practice...
>It seems I read somewhere that it was a serious offense to strike
>someone with your hand back then, so the baser elements developed
>a form of foot fighting. Then again, the story might be apocryphal.
>
>Happy holidays,
>Tom

	I seem to recall reading somewhere that the kicking
was a form of punishment. Instead of thirty lashes, it would be
thirty kicks.  Also there was something about kicking and Napolean's
army, which I can't recall.

			Happy Hannukah & Happy Christmas,
			John
.
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: meta-comments (was: Re: Thai kickboxing )
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:12:30 GMT
Reply-To: garry@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

Oh no!  Floowing up my own postings.  That's a bad sign...

In article <24526@alice.att.com> I wrote:

<stuff deleted>

   This long lost memory just popped into my head while writing the
   above.  When I was a youth, I was into conjuring.  I recall reading
   a book on coin magic.  It was discussing how to flip a coin so as
   to get it to come up heads or tails every time.  Basically, there
                        -------------------------

Yeah, yeah...Now that I re-read this, I know how silly it sounds.
I know it comes up heads or tails all the time.  You know what
I meant.  Now please, can we skip the 20 replies pointing this out?

   is no trick to it, just incessant practice until you have total 
   control over the action of your arm, wrist, and thumb to control the
   number of revolutions.  The author's comment said something like,
   "This is the sort of trick mastered by one-trick men in bars.
   They know no magic, but they have one trick that you couldn't
   do in a lifetime."

   The relevance of this to the martial artist is left as an excercise
   for the reader.  I'd be interested in your comments.

-- 
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From: notkin@cs.washington.edu (David Notkin)
Subject: New Year Practices?
Summary: what do you do?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 16:14:36 GMT

I'm curious about the different special practices that different
schools and different arts have on New Year's Eve or New Year's Day.

At Seattle Aikikai, where I practice Aikido, we start practice at 6PM
on New Year's Eve.  The practice is to perform 108 shomenuchi ikkyo
from suwari-waza (kneeling).  The nage does 108 and then roles are
exchanged and the "new" nage does another 108.  The 108 is supposed to
represent the set of human impurities, with each technique expunging
one of those to start a fresh new year.  Afterwards we have a party
with a traditional "kampai" with o-sake.  Some folks run down to the
nearby lake for a quick misogi practice (although Sensei says that the
lake's no dirty that nobody could be purified in it :-).

At Pittsburgh Aikikai, where I practiced in the early 1980's, we
practiced from about 11PM until 11:45PM or so.  Then we'd sit in a
semi-circle, around candles, and meditate through midnight, complete
with all the fireworks and screaming outside.  At about 12:15AM we'd
stop the meditation, party long into the night, and (often) sleep on
the mat until morning.

What do you do?

David



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From: wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu (William T. Rankin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: nelsons
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:58:19 GMT
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC
Originator: wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu



eeep.   sorry, in that last article, i used the wrong .signature!
appologies to mr. stonefield. ;-)

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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Kicking someone's xxx.
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:25:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.025435.639@athena.mit.edu> ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) writes:
>As someone (H.G. Wells?) once said:  "Violence is the last refuge of the
>incompetant."

	Tangential to this discussion: I saw an interesting martial adage the
other day "If my opponent doesn't move, I don't move. If my opponent moves, I
hit them first."

back to the subject:
	Having worked in restaurants and other service positions, I agree
that being polite to people when they are actively exploiting your politeness
to abuse you some more is a frustrating experience. The most common reaction is
along the lines of "I _was_ being nice, and you didn't appreciate it, now I'm
going to smash your face!"
	Have you ever sparred against someone who makes stupid noises, and
fake attacks to try and intimidate you? But if you keep a clear head, and don't
get sucked into it all, you can see that none of that stuff is very
threatening. They can yell and wave their body all they want, but it's all just
harmless posing.
	Its annoying, but nothing that's dangerous. So there's no need to react
to it.
	Of course, if it gets dangerous, you should hit them first :-)

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Stupid Religious Views
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 14:25:46 GMT

In article <725174873.AA07225@urchin.fidonet.org> Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall) writes:
>It seems to me that some of us are getting philosophy and religion
>mixed up: both offer behaviorial codes, one requires acknowledgement
>of a deity. I don't think belief in a deity is an intrinsic part
>of any martial art.
 
	Seems to me that, in practical terms, a philosophical system which
achieves some kind of spiritual status is not so different from religion. And
many martial arts have a powerful spiritual component (especially Japanese
arts it seems). At my current Kung-fu school, there is actually a set of moral
injunctions posted on the wall, which students are expected to follow.
	Some religions don't rely on the existence of a diety. Buddhism is
widely considered to be a religion, yet in it's oldest form (as well as some 
of it's current forms) it did not assert the existence of a cosmic sugar-daddy
lurking beyond the clouds

	At the macro level, we have religions and philosophies. At the the
individual level, it becomes spirituality. Is it possible to discuss the
spiritual aspects of MA training without dragging in the religions and
philosophies which serve as their foundation?


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From: jlockha@eis.calstate.edu (Jame A Lockhart)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Just Curious...
Date: 22 Dec 92 06:03:48 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services


Anyone know the date of the (reported) origins of Savate.  Not sure if it
makes that 1700's cut.
From: jfrost@crash.cts.com (Julian Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Technical Advise Sought
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:51:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1hfvesINN6sh@agate.berkeley.edu> actize@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>Thank you wrestling people, etc. for the description of techniques concerning 
>bear-hugs, etc.  How do you deal with this type of attack ?
>
>The attacker has good mobility on the floor.  He/She constantly circles the 
>attackee.  A strike or grab is seldom executed.  The attacker ki-hai (did I 
>spell that right ??) a lot.  The attacker constantly circles looking for a weak
>point to attack.  

Simple... keep moving so that you don't give him a weak point to
attack!  He'll get bored and tired (he's moving in bigger circles,
righ?) and go away!

Probably not the answer you're looking for!  Julian
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: body memory
Date: 23 DEC 92 09:44:04
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: DWOVAX


robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes...

>I usually tell students the centipede story:
> 
>  "One day someone asked the Centipede how he knew which foot to move first.
>   He never walked again."

In educational theory, and cognitive psych, there is a fairly standard 
distinction made between 'know how' and 'know that'  (I'm avoiding the
actual jargon).  The two can complement each other or interfere with each 
other, depending on the case at hand and the individual.

'Know how' is being able to describe a skill in words.
'Know that' is being able to perform it.

Their relationship is much more complex than is implied by the centipede
story, though it makes a valid point particularly with regard to beginners.
The two faculties are somewhat independent, but not completely !
They can have either a constructive or destructive interference relationship.

And - as a teacher and artist in a verbal culture, if you can't describe what 
you are doing to *some* extent, a large part of your art will sadly die with 
you.

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From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: MOTHER PICKS UP CAR
Date: 4 Jan 1993 01:43:44 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>As muscle fiber groups are conditioned, your nervous system adapts to
>the work by firing up additional muscle fibers.  This seems to explain
>rapid strength increases during the first few months of weight
>training.

That all depends on how you measure the strength gain.  If strength gain
is measured by the ability to handle more weight for an exercise, I'd
believe it is more likely resulting from learning technique-- that is
learning how to lift and balance the weight.  This, of course, is not a
valid measure of gained strength.  The only way (at least that I am aware
of) to really measure strength gain is to completely isolate a muscle, and
pull [in strict form] against some accurate measuring device.