HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rik@nella9.cc.monash.edu.au (Rik Harris)
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
Subject: New Sun Workstations
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:26:03 GMT
Reply-To: rik.harris@fcit.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Does anyone know anything about the when/where/how much of the new Sun
workstations in Australia?  I'm talking about the Sun "priced less than
a PC" SPARCclassic, using the 50Mhz microSPARC, and the LX "lowest-cost
accelerated graphics workstation available" graphics computer.

Will we get a good price in Aus?  Is there any reason why these might be
a bad choice?

rik.
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From: kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis)
Newsgroups: news.future
Subject: Re: Newsreader supporting MIME
Summary: Hey, we're allied?
Keywords: ISO8859-1 8Bit
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:05:35 GMT
Organization: The Blues Family

clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

> In article <1992Nov9.143345.18466@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin F
> >In article <1992Nov9.132448.26542@rdg.dec.com>, kostis@frsmic.enet.dec.com (
> >|> In article <3949@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca>, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris 
> 
> >The way to solve this problem is not to slag off the American
> >mentality (which isn't as bad as you suggest) 
> 
> Oh, you're another person who thinks I'm American.  Note my
> Organization line.

Sorry, I think that's my fault... My article implied it.   ;-)

> >8-bit cleanliness.  If people find that they need a new service, they
> >will be far more likely than otherwise to go through the pain of
> >re-installing their news system.
> 
> But it will still take time.  That's what I was saying.

OK. Let's take the time...  ;-)

> Well, how about this?:  I'm a member of the Canadian POSIX working group,
> formulating the Canadian position (and vote) on the POSIX 1003.x standards.
> 8859-1 is absolutely essential for Canada (French accents), and we've
> been spending most of our time trying to fix some internationalization
> botches in 1003.1 and .2, ie: PAX file name character sets.  It was
> Canada's lobbying that led to the final 10646/Unicode/8859-1 accord.

How about this? You're just my man!  ;-)

> Or: I was one of the people contributing to AT&T's decision to finally
> make DWB troff 8 bit clean and support 8859-1.

Well, seems like I've hit the *right* guy, right?... ;-)

> Does *that* sound like "American-USASCII-arrogance"?

No, not at all. Consider me to feel sorry. 

> >I simply maintained (in my original post in this thread) that change
> >is not something that will come easily.
> 
> That's all that I was saying.  We agreed.  And then you think I'm American.
> That's not very nice ;-)

We shouldn't annoy our US American fellows too much, should we?  ;-)

Honestly, I didn't mean to annoy people, I just think it's important
and I really won't accept anything but "we're working on it"... =;^)

> >|> sw-authors: please support ISO 8859-1   dv|DV\_=aeoeueAEOEUEss
> 
> I do!  I do!

Yeah, and at least some people in europe *do* appreciate it very much!

Best regards from a greek living in Germany

        Kosta


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  sw authors: please support ISO 8859-1!        dv|DV\_=aeoeueAEOEUEss
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Newsreader supporting MIME
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  9 Nov 92 00:17:40 GMT

clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
 >This may well be true, but irrelevant - something like 80% of the people
 >on the net are in the USA.

Actually, it's more like 70%.

                + Total # of articles
                |        + Total # articles as a percentage of the whole net
                |        |           + Total # of unique posters
                |        |           |       + How many don't have net access
                |        |           |       | for every one that does
                |        |           |       |           + Percentage of the
                |        |           |       |           | population with
                |        |           |       |           | net access
                |        |           |       |           |
country         articles %of net     posters 1/others    %of population
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
American        74121    70.716%     22726   11110      0.00900% 
Canadian        4772     4.553%     1715    13411      0.00746% 
New-Zealand     727      0.694%     221     14932      0.00670% 
Australian      3013     2.875%     1095    15525      0.00644% 
Finnish         898      0.857%     292     17092      0.00585% 
Norwegian       619      0.591%     231     18497      0.00541% 
Icelandic       30       0.029%     11      23636      0.00423% 

 >Railing about poor maintenance is simply not going to do any good.  To
 >be used, 8bit penetration must be near 100%.  Maybe in a couple of years
 >it will be practical to ship 8 bit when INN and C news cover the vast
 >majority.

The sooner the better, really.  If you've ever had JIS code (Japanese) spewed
back at you by some prehistoric site, you'll know what I mean.


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From: kostis@frsmic.enet.dec.com (Kosta Kostis)
Subject: Re: Newsreader supporting MIME
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:04:33 GMT


In article <Bx9zEu.K4p@cs.psu.edu>, fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes...
>In article <1992Nov4.184642.18831@rdg.dec.com> kostis@frsmic.enet.dec.com (Kosta Kostis) writes:
>|Changing a C source not to contain a "& 0377" and to use
>|int instead of char at a special location of the code *is* a problem of
>|manageable size, isn't it?
> 
>Sure, if you're paying any attention.  There are sites where nobody cares
>about the news software, and it's running on autopilot.  The periodic version
>summaries always end up turning up software that's at least 5 years old... if
>you can't be bothered to upgrade your software to improve performance or fix
>bugs, you certainly can't be bothered to upgrade for the significantly more
>minor benefit of being 8-bit clean.

It may be a minor benefit for you, but it's not minor for people outside
the english speaking community - and that's the majority in the world.

Poor maintenance is no excuse. If all things would go that slow, imagine
the impact on science and todays life. Well, I just think we should move
our lazy b*s and do something about it.

My main problem with this is not even 5 years old software, but that there
is software like BNews which still maintained but isn't 8 Bit clean.
That's ignorance.

Slinte

	Kosta
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sw-authors: please support ISO 8859-1   =aeoeueAEOEUEss
From: kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis)
Newsgroups: news.future
Subject: Re: Newsreader supporting MIME
Summary: Patches available via FTP now
Keywords: ISO8859-1 Waffle Patch FTP
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:27:08 GMT
Organization: The Blues Family

rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:

> [patches for DOS Waffle / converters between ISO 8859-1 and Codepages...]
> Make your stuff available to the world at large, and you'll make
> things start to happen.

The patches can be copied via ftp from:

        ftp.th-darmstadt.de:pub/machines/ms-dos/networking/waffle/iso*.zip

while

        isopatch.zip            are the binaries
        isosrc.zip              are the sources including ISOxIBM & IBMxISO

Please advise me (via mail?) where to put this information, also.

Ciao

        Kosta


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From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Newsreader supporting MIME
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:37:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.184642.18831@rdg.dec.com> kostis@frsmic.enet.dec.com (Kosta Kostis) writes:
|Changing a C source not to contain a "& 0377" and to use
|int instead of char at a special location of the code *is* a problem of
|manageable size, isn't it?

Sure, if you're paying any attention.  There are sites where nobody cares
about the news software, and it's running on autopilot.  The periodic version
summaries always end up turning up software that's at least 5 years old... if
you can't be bothered to upgrade your software to improve performance or fix
bugs, you certainly can't be bothered to upgrade for the significantly more
minor benefit of being 8-bit clean.

  Bill
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Newsreader supporting MIME
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 01:26:01 GMT

In article <Bx9zEu.K4p@cs.psu.edu> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>bugs, you certainly can't be bothered to upgrade for the significantly more
>minor benefit of being 8-bit clean.
>

It depends if it's a minor benefit.  If being 8 bit clean means you can get
a new generation of multimedia, rich text and binary newsgroups that you just
can't get any other way, you'll upgrade.

We plan next year to start introducing wirephotos along with our electronic
newspaper feed.  They are big -- some up to a megabyte, and I just don't
see putting them out encoded in printable characters or split over articles.

While I am always willing to take user input, I want to try saying, "You want
these pictures, you have to run software that can take 1 megabyte raw
binaries."   I think most of our customers already are running this, and
of course we don't expect every customer to take these photos, if only because
they are so large and not everybody has hardware to display them easily.

We put out around 2mb of news each day right now, but these photos would
increase it a great deal.  I expect only our NNTP fed customers would have
the bandwidth for it.

In addition, we'll need MIME display patches for existing newsreaders, and
eventually new newsreaders.  Possibly this will spur it on.
-- 
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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: Two-hop UUCP feed with C-news
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:48:19 GMT

Gary Mills:
>My news server is on a machine that has only TCP connections, which is
>fine for the NNTP feeds.  Another machine has serial ports for UUCP.
>I have set up an UUCP link over TCP between the two, assuming that I
>would only need to change the viauux script [...]

world.std.com recently forked; the child is news.std.com.  Most UUCP
connections are on world.std.com, but a few are on news.std.com.  To send
news to the sites connected to world.std.com, I have batchparms invoke
viaworlduux, which is like viauux except that the last line is

	exec rsh world "exec uux - -r -gd $1!rnews"

The relevant batchparms entry is:

	# site		size	queue	builder	muncher	sender
	# ----		----	-----	-------	-------	------
	/default/	100000	20	batcher	compcun	viaworlduux

(The sites connected to news.std.com continue to use viauux and are
listed explicitly.)

Note that this solution does assume that the "news" userids on the two
machines are equivalent for the purposes of "rsh".
-- 
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From: root@monad.swb.de (Olaf Kirch)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Cnews2 on HP-UX 8.0
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:05:45 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Little Hole in the Ground

Hi, Netters!

I hope I'm not off-topic, but I couldn't find news.software.c :-)

I am in the process of installing uucp, mail and news on a
cluster of HP 9000 machines running HP-UX 8.0. I'm currently
installing cnews2, which went rather smooth (except that it said
fast stdio was incompatible with HP's stdio), but when I tried to
post a test article, things went haywire.

The problem lies in a script called 'defhdrs.awk' which does a
quick check if the necessary header lines are there and look reasonable.
Although the article in question was syntactically correct, this
script complained that 'Subject:' was missing and 'Newsgroups:'
contained white space. I have fed the article to awk seperately,
and it still gives me the messages.

Now, the manual page for awk says that it is somehow 'new', whatever
this means. However, it would seem strange to me if they changed
it in an incompatible way. Is this a known bug?

Is there anybody else who has made these experiences? Do I have to
write my own awk script (ooooh!) or is there already a fix for this (aaaah!)?
I would appreciate any help, since I'm new to the world of cnews. I will post
a summary if anybody is interested.

I have directed follow-up to poster, since I do not receive this group.
Thank you all,

	Olaf

PS: The script is in /usr/lib/news[bin?]/inject/defhdrs.awk.
From: keijo@vttux1.vtt.fi (Keijo Tuominen)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Moderators file and mail2news
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:24:01 +0200
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
NNTP-Posting-Host: vttux1.vtt.fi

What should I write to moderators file when I want that certain user
can only post to certain group.

now I have:

vtt.test: xxx@vtt.fi


When somebody sends news to group vtt.test it gets forwarded to user 
xxx@vtt.fi

That's just fine.

But when user xxx posts to group vtt.test I also gets forwarded
to that user insteasd that the message should go to newsserver.

Any ideas. Is it possible to have a file where more that one user
where akllowed to post that group.


Second question:

What's the best program to use in bi-directional news<->mail gateway
and how it suits to INND newsserver.

It tried mail2news (perl script) but it didn't worked properly.
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: inews in C - shell/awk scripts are unreliable!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:43:41 GMT

In article <3950@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
> So, if you want /bin/sh, it's best to use a simple ":", and fix
> it with #! in the rare occasions it doesn't work.

And since portable code demands the use of /bin/sh (csh being a lousy
programming language) this should be all the time.

(one who is getting really tired of patching the shell scripts in C News...
 this insistence on using #! is the only really annoying problem in it)
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: INN and multihomed NNTP clients
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:21:38 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In article <1dou8tINN6p1@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:

>The name in the hosts NIS map for the two interfaces are godot.think.com
>and godot-1.think.com, so I think they should both match this criterion.

Shouldn't reverse lookups for a multihomed host both return
godot.think.com?  (I'm threading on thin ice here, I'm not expert on
DNS technicalities)

Anyway, I do something like godot*.think.com here and it seems to
work.  Why not upgrade to INN1.2?

Tom
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From: alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
Subject: Cnews fast stdio on SunOS 4.1.3???
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:30:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I've built the perf release with the fast stdio and had no trouble. Since
I recalled the time when the tests didn't properly catch problems with 4.0.x,
and then the announcement of fixes, I felt reasonably safe. But now I seem
to recall reading just last week somewhere (while I was distracted by looking
for something else) that this is NOT OK with SunOS 4.1.3. What is the real
truth about this matter, please?

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From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: INN and multihomed NNTP clients
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:51:40 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1dou8tINN6p1@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
>We've gotten around this for now by putting both IP addresses in
>nnrp.access, but I don't like having to do this.

I do this anyway since there isn't an in-addr.arpa. nameserver in this
country.  I just check that the addresses are still correct every couple of
months.  It's not ideal, but it does keep news flowing a little better.

Cheers,
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From: anne@maxwell.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett)
Subject:  common newsreader database implementation available
Reply-To: anne@maxwell.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett)
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:18:57 GMT

> Geoff Collyer (geoff@world.std.com) wrote:
>
> The common newsreader database supported by C News is now available by
> anonymous ftp from world.std.com:src/news/nov.dist.tar.Z.

to which Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net replied [edited for length]:
>
> Anyway I have looked it over and find that its an Ok package except for:
> 
> 1. The .overview index files are stored in each groups spooldir which 
> 
> 2. The docs mention that to use the .overview files over a network one 
>    has to NFS mount the news spool to each machine that has readers
>    that can understand .overview index files. 
>    This is only a partial solution. A full solution would also be able
>    to offer the index file via NNTP to any reader that requests it.

I have also looked at it, and agree with Iain's points.  I can imagine
that making the common databse available via NNTP could take a while,
though.  I would be very satisfied in the short term if it were
possible to keep the database files somewhere other than the news spool
directory, so I could offer NFS-mounting of the database files while
still enforcing NNTP-only access to the articles. Would that be possible?

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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: symbolic links in C-news?
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:59:29 GMT

Michael Lee:
>I have been told that c news allows you to split your spool area across
>several disks.
>Is it true that this can be done?

Yes, it's true, if you have a symlink() system call (and tell build that
you have it).  You don't have to do anything special other than change
doexpire to invoke expire with -l (to cope with the various links
potentially expiring at different rates).  If you are tight on disk
space, you may also want to customise spacefor to know about the several
spool partitions.  (All the above changes are to shell scripts.)

People without symlinks but 16-bit i-numbers can get code to make copies
of articles from John Levine (johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us).  His code is
for an older version of C News (22 December 1991); similar code should
appear in the next major release of C News (there may be a tidied-up
Performance Release issued first).
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From: david@monymsys.mony.com (David Kozinn)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Automatic sys file changing for C-news
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:09:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mutual of New York

In article <1992Oct29.210752.18454@ms.uky.edu> kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>
>Take a look at dynafeed [...] It is a server/client package. 

Will dynafeed help those of us who don't have any network connections to our
feeds, but instead communicate with them via uucp? It sounds like this
requires an active link between all the sites.
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From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: automatic test replies
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:22:51 GMT

Does anyone know what program or script is used by sites to generate
automatic email replies to articles posted in the *.test groups?

Thanks
-Rob
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,comp.unix.programmer,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: inews in C - shell/awk scripts are unreliable!
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:34:12 GMT
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

In article <1992Nov2.063450.28552@robohack.UUCP> woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods) writes:
> [As an aside it is interesting to explain the logic behind this
> compromise.  Since SysV doesn't support the "#! interpreter" syntax,
> ISC (and perhaps AT&T) decided to modify csh such that it recognizes a
> ":" as the first character of a /bin/sh script, and thus "do the right
> thing".

Nope, AT&T didn't do it. This kludge was in the first version of csh
that I ever used, back on V6 UNIX at Berkeley. The standard command
interpreter (not the bourne shell... the version 6 shell, with everything
including "if" an external command) used ":" as the comment character
(actually, the shell itself didn't support comments, ":" was an external
command) while csh used "#". So the standard was to start every file
with a comment and csh would figure out what command interpreter to use
from that, after exec failed.

(the kludge the Pascal compiler used for its P-code was to generate a little
 baby program that passed the P-code to the Pascal interpreter through fd3)

Making "#!" a magic number for exec came much later. I'm pretty sure it
wasn't in 4.1D, and it may have been as late as 4.3 (I left the BSD world
about the time 4.2 came out).
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