From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: NORWAY:  Please Help, Trying to Trace Back my Father's Family  (LONG)
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:19:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.+9an-#l.noring
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Hello,

As a 100% Norwegian (as far as I can tell), I am proud of my heritage, and
want to trace my ancestry as far back as I can.  My mother, who recently
passed away, was our family "genealogist", and she was very successful in
tracing her ancestry as far back as the year 1600 in Norway.  However, she
was much less successful with my father's ancestry, particularly my
grandfather's family.  It is an interesting family, and not only would I like
to trace it back as far as I can, I'd also like to find the living descendants
of my grandfather's many brothers and sisters who I know little about.

Some information that I do know.  My grandfather's parents apparently raised
horses for the Norwegian army (a family anecdote).  Some of the children were
involved with this endeavour.  My grandfather was about the youngest of
apparently 10 children who lived to adulthood.  Another family anecdote
stated that some of the older brothers and sisters emigrated to Argentina to
raise the horses and ship them back to Norway.  How many or which siblings
went, can only be speculated at this time.

Another sidenote.  My mother did check with the church at Norbie (sp?), Norway
which supposedly kept the birth and baptism records for my grandfather's family.
However, the church burned down in the late 1800's and it is unknown whether
any of those records were duplicated anywhere else (any help here?).

Below are the details of what I do know about my grandfather's family (it's
more than you need, but I figure I may as well get as much information into
this file as I can for purposes of archiving it).  Forgive me if the format is
not one that is used by genealogists - just a rank amateur at this (let me know
how I can better format this information).

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Anyway, I'm posting this in the hope (albeit a longshot) that somebody may
identify one or more of the people here - I assume this newsgroup reaches
Norway.  Also, I'd like to get ideas as to how and where to proceed with my
search.
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MY FATHER: Bjorn Harold Noring (1912-1986).  Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

MY GRANDFATHER: Harold Thorvald Nordengen (7/30/79 to 2/25/28).  Born in Aas,
                Norway.  Sometime before emigrating to America (Minneapolis)
                in 1906(?), he changed his name from 'Nordengen' (and in some
                records 'Nordeng', to 'Noring'.  While in Norway, may have
                lived in County Nordby (sp?), town of Ski.  A piece of paper
                exists with the following address:  'Harald Nordengh (!)
                "County" Nordby, Ski St.

MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER: Johanas Torkelsen Klenderude (sp.?)

MY GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER: Torkel Klenderude (sp.?)


KNOWN SIBLINGS MY GRANDFATHER, Harold Thorvald Nordengen:
     Karl Johnsen (Johansen)  (Children's names English sounding:  Clifford,
                               Herbert and Christine, implying they settled
                               in Canada or USA)
     Theodore Johansen Nordby  (Argentina?)
     Johan Emil (Signe Tolvehaugen, daughter)
     Sigvardt Martinus Nordengen (Died in Boston, engineer on boat, never
                                 married)
     Lars Anton Bolstad  (Sausage maker in Oslo, son Karstin went to
                          Minneapolis, his descendents contacted - Margaret
                          and Arthur stayed in Norway but had no descendents.)
     Maria (died in infancy)
     Caroline Johansen (Eric) Nordengen (died at age 16)
     Kaspara (died at 3 years?)
     Marcus (died young)
     Annette  (married name Hagen, children Signe, Margaret, Margarite, Thomas,
               and Adolf Bjelke)
     Anna  (married name Henricksen, had twins Bodil and Camilla, a son
            Johanes who stayed in Oslo, and apparently a son in Argentina,
            named Helmar H. Wanggaarde (sp.?) (wife Rosario), last know address
            Pumacahma 183, Buenes Aires, Argentina)
     Hans Peter Nordengen (no children?)
     Bertrand Konrad Johansen Nordengen  (settled in Bayfield, Wisconsin,
                                          descendents known and kept in touch)
     
     


(other family anecdotes:  one or more of my grandfather's siblings may have
emigrated to Canada, but no more is known.  Also, one of my cousins contacted
a Mr. Helmar Wanggaarde (sp?) in Buenes Aires in 1960?, who is supposedly a
descendant of one of my grandfather's siblings (?).  However, because of the
political situation in Argentina at the time, he did not want to continue
corresponding or to even give any details for fear of his life.  We have not
tried to contact him again (any help here?).  And one final note, I have
probably contacted every other Noring in the U.S. (not too hard, there are not
that many, it is surprisingly a very rare name), and none of these other
'Norings' are closely related to me - most of them are of Swedish or north
German ancestry).

Anyway, that is what I have.  Any help or tidbits of information would be most
appreciated.  

Jon Noring


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