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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: WCW update
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:33:44 GMT

>Also, Chono will defend his title against the Great Muta, the supposed first
>time two Japanese have fought for the world title in America.

...yeah, that's the first time as far as I know too.
This is gonna be a great match(?????). Now they are gonna tell those future
top wrestlers of New Japan to do a Dusty finish or what? I'm still pissed at
WCW making Muta do a 4 min+ job for Luger although I don't really like Muta.
God bless the USA wrestling.

>His finisher, that sort of arm drag/powerslam looks good if he does it fast,
>but most of the time it doesn't look that devastating, and I hate to say it,
>but Dustin's bulldog looks better than his.  Is he holding back, because I
>have yet to see anything that would make him comparable to Muta, Liger, the
>Steiners, or even Ron Simmons (they both do the powerslam, they both have
>a few other moves).

I haven't been impressed by any of Sasaki's matches, either. Seems like he was 
told not to do any stiff moves he does in Japan because those wrestlers of 
WCW(and WWF as well, of course) don't like to take any of them. Perhaps his 
English is not good enough to carry his opponents into good matches?

BTW, his finishing move is called "ippon zeoi," a judo move.  I've never seen 
him doing that in Japan. If he does that in Japan as the finishing move, I'm
sure everybody gets pissed because many of the fans are familiar with judo and
know that none of non-submisson moves can hurt anybody as long as the opponent
can protect himself. I can't stand watching him doing that finishing because
I've taken judo at high school in Japan and know how to protect myself.


-- 
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University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: cadesjar@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Curtis Desjardins)
Subject: Re: Yet another lousy house card coming up!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:20:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.204035.8884@ac.dal.ca> jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
>Lance Cassidy vs Skinner
>Only question on my mind is who will job. Skinner, or Cassidy?

Neither. 

Eric Watts will run into the ring beat on both of them, and....
oh, nevermind. That's another thread.


========================= Fluffy the Wonder Bunny ============================
 "You bought the cow after I got all the milk for nothing! And at 12 o'clock
  she was knocking on my door saying, `Nature Boy! I wanna ride Space Moun-
  tain AGAIN!'"		- Slick Ric to Savage re: that slut Elizabeth ;-)
================== cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu =======================
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Main Event changes
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:00:19 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


The only thing on the Main Event that was different from the tapings was a
small segment dubbed in at the end of the show.

It was Perfect and McMahon standing at the announcers stand, and what I heard
(the bar was very loud!) was, "One of them (referring to Warrior and Savage)
will be walking to the ring alone" and then he said something about a
surprise partner.

Did anyone hear EXACTLY what he said?  I missed most of it.


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 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []   Vancouver, BC, CANADA
From: bdwest@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (PANTERRA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Clash Review: The Worst Clash in TBS History
Keywords: Horrible, Horrendous, Embarrassing, etc.
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:05:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bxy5xt.M97@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes...
> > 
>    Even Barry and that Stone Cold Sorpio guy couldn't save ths clash.  I am
>totally disappointed with WCW.  After the crowd really reacted to Scorpio's
>flying (only Sting's entrance got a bigger pop) it escapes how they can keep
>booking matches to be intentionally bad.  Absolutely awful.  It's getting to
>where they really need to do something fast to improve the product, or they
>will be very, very sorry.  Overall Grade: D.  Yuck.
>>Eric Chmiel***************************************
>**************************************************


I agree totally, except for this Cold Scorpian, I didn't see the Windum/
Rhodes vs Steamboat/Douglas match, The WCW should not even put on another 
PPV until CowChip Watts is FIRED.   I didn't see the last match because
I was so bored.  The WWF is looking better and I have been a solid NWA
fan since 86. I wouldn't be caught dead watching WWF until now.  Now the WWF
is actually more interesting.  The match quality of both organizations is so 
horrible all that's left is the angles, and WCW has never been a great 
angle producing organization.  As big of a Horseman fan that I am, even 
that got boring after a point.

Eric Watts should be the poster boy for why nepotism should be a death 
penalty offense. And talk about ego, Bill Watts has showed his stupid head 
on every WCW program I've seen lately.  I wish to heaven I could get Smoky 
Mountain.

And Medusa needs to check into another profession just to save what small 
bit of her dignity she has left.  The end where Jesse says that taking off 
Dangerous pants should be done in the dressing room.  And showing the 
"incidents leading up this match"  Medusa crying, Rick Rude not beating the 
tar out of Dangerous for insinuating that the fat little runt was more of a 
man than Rude.  I remember Medusa from the AWA and to see her stoop to this 
level is more than enough to make me puke. 

Oh well, Hopefully I'll get the Sci Fi channel and the Cartoon network 
real soon.

The Catwoman has spoken.
 	CowChip Watts, your... your... your.... dessssspicable.
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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Re: The most attractive woman in wrestli
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:55:00 +0000

Group: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Date: 21/11/92 20:09:00
Subject: Re: The most attractive woman in wrestling
>>> 6. Lady Blossom
>>>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>What? That broad is FUGLY!
>I don't think anybody cares about her face, Andy.  Her appeal was twofold,
>right and left.

 Do we all remember the USWA cat-fights with "Lady Blossom" and Chris Adam's
wife during the Adams/Austin fued? Severe cleavage.

>>Also I take it you aren't counting some of the women from the smaller
>>ladies federations? There were some knockouts in POWW, LPWA, and WOW.
>>
>Those girls were all Playboy bunny types.  I wonder if there was any
>semblance of wrestling there, or was it all curling-iron matches,
>best nails contests, or hair vs. hair matches...

 There was more wrestling in an average LPWA match than in a week of the WWF.
(we're talking Cornette/Pedicino LPWA, right?)


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From: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Henning to team with Sava
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens) 


To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)

CR>Ok guys ...

CR>What is going on ??? All you wrestling experts on r.s.p-w
CR>write that Henning accepted an insurance settlement and can
CR>no longer wrestle ... then last night (Monday 11/17/92) on
CR>the USA network Randy Savage is told to find a new tag-team partner
CR>for the Survivor Series and he asks Curt Henning !!

The insurance settlement was only for a specific time period.  Not
that he would stay out of wrestling forever.  People just didn't
know when the time period expired.  Also as someone else pointed out
that it wasn't specifically mentioned that Curt would wrestle only
that he would be Macho's partner and be in his corner.

CR>First, What happened to the Warrior that he cannot wrestle ?

He was fired for demanding more money again.  I don't think they offered
an excuse on Prime Time as to why he was gone, but they said he was gone.
---
 . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #42 . 
                                                                                 
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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:40:20 GMT

In article <4189.137.uupcb@ssr.com> dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)
  writes:
>ATB>>2.  How can I get Wrestling Torch. (I know some one else asked, but
>   >>                    wanted a E-Mail response.) Please post.
>   >  Yes, let me know about this too...Thanx in advance
>
>While there is a possibility that Editor Wade Keller will read this and
>reply, let me help out.
>
>The Torch
>PO Box 201844
>Minneapolis, MN
>55420
>
>5 dollars for 4 issues.
Thats 6 dollars for 4 issues now. But if you write for a free sample issue Wade
Will send you a coupon for 10 issues at $10. This is why I am currently getting
the Torch.
The Wrestling Observer (the bible of wrestling)
>PO Box 1228
>Campbell, CA
>95009-1228
>
>6 dollars for 4 issues.

BTW both of these publications are weekly. The Observer is the best for news. 
There are no frills in this one. No pictures no real graphics etc. But they 
give you reports from all around the world including New Japan, All Japan, New 
Japan Women, CMLL, AAA, etc.
The news from the Torch is almost always in the Observer as well. But the Torch
has photos, gest columists and editorials. It also has TORCH TALK which is an 
interview with someone in the wrestling Biz, the last two have been Jim 
Cornette and Terry Taylor. Also the descriptions of the T.V. shows for SMW and 
USWA, give you what the people said and all the angles. In some ways the Torch 
is more fun to read. I think both publications are worth the money.

                                             David Kempster
From: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: News Flash: WWF Fires Warrior & Bulldog!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 05:11:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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Reply-To: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-28.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov16.215635.13473@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>  
cs921037@ariel.yorku.ca (RON E BARNETT) writes:
> 
> In article <9598@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T  
Conticello) writes:
> >> 
> >>   I just got my Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter in the mail today and  
it said
> >>  the Warrior and Bulldog were both fired Tuesday, Nov 10th possibly  
for 
> >>  demanding more monday.
> >> 
> >>   The Torch also said the WWF scheduled a taping for Wednesday (2  
days ago)
> >>  to explain the disappearance of the Warrior since he was in the main  
event
> >>  of Survivor Series.  This may air on Saturday Night's Fox Special.
> >> 
> >> -Rob
> 
> 
> 
> Look for this to signal the return of Hogan at Survivor Series to be  
Savage's partener. Bobby Heenan hinted at this at the end of Saturday  
Night's Main Event when he was on the telephone.  He said that he had just  
heard over the phone that one of the Ultimate steroid men would have a new  
partener for S.S. on the 25th.  Look for it to be Hogan and Savage. 
> 
> Also, with regard to the Bulldog, his firing probably had a lot to do  
with the fact that he lost the IC strap to Shawn Michaels on S.N.M.E.
> 
Well, since the match took place three weeks ago, I don't think so.

James
From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Perfect wrestling
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:48:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The only problem with the idea of Perfect turning and going after Flair
is this: Up until a few weeks ago, warrior and Savage were the team
and nobody had mentioned Perfect coming bacck to the ring. Now, all
of the sudden, Perfect is gonna come back and wrestle someone like
Flair [maybe Ramon] for a long feud? Unless Perfect has been
rehabilitating BIG TIME, I can't see how he's gonna be able to do it.
Just my $.03 worth [sorry but Clinton inflation has affected things...]
Bill
-- 
Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair
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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: CHAMPS: As of 11/16                     
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:55:00 +0000

Group: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From:  Hisaharu Tanabe
Date: 21/11/92 20:59:43
Subject: CHAMPS: As of 11/16

>  British Wrestling Federation (Britain)
>  (I'm not sure about this one...)
>    World
>      Heavyweight        : David Finlay
>      Heavy Middleweight : Marc Rocco

 If only...
 I gotta admit I'm not as well informed on British Wrestling as I should be
(no media coverage of it *at all*. No TV, no magazines. The odd fanzine.) but
this sounds like the situation from about a year or more ago. Finlay lost his
title to Dave "Rocky" Taylor and Mark Rocco retired a while back with either
a heart condition or his recurring back injury, depending on who you believe.
Of course I could be wrong!


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From: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Edward Hilker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Savage's Mystery Partner
Date: 17 Nov 1992 03:38:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


lindemanbria@bvc.edu writes:

>jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
[stuff about Backlund, Georgia anecdote deleted]

>Other possibilities:
>	Crush (yikes)
>	Hillbilly Jim
>	The Genius (setting up the "he's my brother" angle)
>	Jim Brunzell (setting up the Greg Gagne save and weasel suit angle)

Isn't Bam Bam Bigelow coming to the Whiff? I haven't seen anyone mention
that possibility.

C.

-- 
                       |    They have corrupted themselves,
Chris.Hilker           |    their spot is not the spot of his children:
cspot@cats.ucsc.edu    |    they are a perverse and crooked generation.
From: lindemanbria@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Savage's Mystery Partner
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:42:42 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
> IMHO, the ideal option for Vince to choose would be the guy that he
> wants to get over, but most of the fans aren't familiar with: Bob Backlund!
> [etc.]
> Opinions?

Could we be that lucky?  I agree that this would be a great way to sell 
Backlund.  Even better:  allow Flair and Razor to pick Backlund to be 
Randy's partner.  Georgia Championship did this about a hundred years ago 
and the heels (Freebirds?) picked (then jobber) Mike Davis to be 
KSullivan?'s partner.  The marks (myself included) bought what Mike was 
selling after he did well in that match.

Other possibilities:
	Crush (yikes)
	Hillbilly Jim
	The Genius (setting up the "he's my brother" angle)
	Jim Brunzell (setting up the Greg Gagne save and weasel suit angle)
-- 
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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Subject: Re: News Flash: WWF Fires Warrior & Bulldog!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:26:28 GMT

> Andy Patrizio writes:
>
> > WCW loses Jake Roberts & WWF loses Ultimate Warrior & BBdog.
> >
> > WCW loses Herc and WWF loses LOD & (soon) Bossman, Tugboat/Typhoon,
> Savage
> >
> > WCW gets Watts Jr. & WWF gets Taylor & Big Josh...
>
> What I want to know is where are these guys going? Indies? There's no money
> in the independant circuit. Or are they so disgusted with what's been
> happening that they are quitting all together? THAT would be a bad sign.


Where the real money is...JAPAN.

Contrary to what you might think, the Whiff is not the place for the best
pay.

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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: [NCWA] title news
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling (wres)
Posted-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15: 59:01 CST
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Not sure if anyone cares about the NCWA, but with the declining interest in
the "Big Two", regional news seems to be of more and more interest.

I meant to post this last week, but just re-found the post-it I wrote on:

Tommy Jammer lost the NCWA title back to the Masked Professor in North
Dakota recently.

Terry Fox (a short,  fat, balding  guy) demanded  a title  shot against the
Masked Professor.  TMP laughed in his face.  The promotor came out and said
that Fox *would* get  a title  shot, and  that Fox's  hair would  be on the
line.  "What hair?" --Me  If Fox wins, he not only gets the title and keeps
his hair, he also gets the Masked Prof's mask.  This match  will take place
on 11/14/92.

I forgot to  tune in  to see  who won.   I  only found  it on  last week by
accident (it is on one of those  regional cable  channels that  no one ever
watches.  They  seem  to  have  the  same  refs  as  the  PWA  (at least in
Minneapolis), meaning Moose and Gagne.

Other small  promotions we  get here  besides NCWA  and PWA  are some small
promotion(s) on  Prime Sports  Network and  Midwest Sports  Channel and the
usual GWF/USWA on ESPN.

When I finally remember to order my third VCR, I'll have to program some of
these smaller promotions in and  watch them  (on fast-forward,  natch) on a
more regular basis.

                --Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer     Quayle/Limbog '96
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From: raj1@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Poster for Sale (was: Chrispy WVR : Wrestle War '92)
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:47:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Scranton

>[stuff deleted] 
> 5) Dangerous Alliance (Zybszko, Austin, Rude, Anderson, Eaton) vs.
>    Sting, Windham, Rhodes, Koloff and Steamboat  in War Games
> 
>    One of the best War Games I've seen.  Every one works hard and lots
>    of blood is spilled.  Heck, even the ending was good.  Another good
>    match.    ***3/4
> 
	I have been meaning to post about this.  I have a poster at home
that my dad got from the cable company advertizing this card.  The poster has
all the above on it and that it will be a War Games match.  I was going to
throw the poster out because it is just sitting in my room but before I do that
I thought I would see if anyone here wants it.  If anybody wants it you can
have it for free.  All that I ask is that you send me enough $ so I can mail
it to you.  The poster is in ok shape.  

Robert
raj1@jaguar.uofs.edu
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From: wen5@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Subject: Re: One more Clash thought
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:18:23 GMT

In article <Andy.032i@Birdland.UUCP> Andy@Birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio) writes:
>One final thought on the Clash:
>
>Someone kill Erik Watts. What sickening nepotism. Sasaki takes all the
>blows and sells them, then he comes in and experienced wrestlers like Arn
>Anderson and Boby Eaton have to sell every weak move of his and not throw
>one shot at him. When did Watts even HAVE to sell a move? God, that was
>really bad.

I think most marks would even agree with you.  This guy is unwatchable,
and he's ugly and boring to boot.  Talk about a guy with nothing going
for him except the magic Daddy.  Dan Quayle deserves to be Veep more
than this guy deserves to chew the dogshit crumbs off the bottom of my
shoe.  My initial optimism of Bill Watts' work in WCW has come full
circle and has become unbridled hatred and deathwish.  I remember in
Mid-South wrestling when one of Watts's sons was doing some announcing
work, and I'm not sure, but I believe it was Eric.  I remember thinking
that the guy was a stupid goon.  I'd never have thought that years later
he'd still be a stupid goon, and that great, conscientious workers like
AA and BB would have to shit on their pride and roll over to a stooge.

I know, babble, rant, rave, but I can't help it...

>Time to finish my letter to Turner.

I think I will be writing a letter soon, also.

In it will be the sentence:  "Even Jim Herd was more competent than
Bill Watts."

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: PERFECT TEAMS w/ SAVAGE
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:48:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     If you don't think part of the downfall of North American wrestling is
because the booking has become so unimaginative and dull, imagine this: Vince
went through many fits and spent a lot of time and effort to put over the
Ultimate Maniacs so that his PPV buy rate would be respectable.  Now, his
ad hoc, thrown-together-at-the-last-minute, desperation angle is drawing about
10 times more heat than the Ultimate Maniacs could have in their wildest 
dreams.  Tells you something about match selection, no?  If it was possible
to do this in the first place, why the hell did he even bother with the
Ultimate Maniacs?  I know, I know: Hennig's insurance.  Apparently, however,
it was far from an unpassable obstacle.  Wrestling *can* be exciting; problem
is the bigs don't understand how to make it that way.  It's kinda sad that
the most intriguing angle in years is a throw-together.

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