From: jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: How much $$$/Org/year ? An estimate!
Keywords: Holee Freeholees!
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:00:08 GMT
Organization: Loral Defense Systems Arizona

In article <1eq2frINNg3a@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk) writes:

>Jon retorts:
>>>Obsession with money?  The money is needed for organization survival.
>>>The obsession is with survival if anything.
>
>Free suggests:
>>Do you believe Scn as a whole needs more money?  Does most of the
>>money taken in go towards upkeep and 'organization survival', or does
>>it head Up & Up until it disappears?  Maybe we should start a new
>>thread, and try to estimate the Church's financial situation.  Make
>>some assumptions, plug in some figures, see what turns up.  Maybe my
>>hunch is wrong, but I think the Church takes in _far_ more than is
>>needed to keep it afloat.  Let's play with some numbers, & see.
>
>Ooooh!  Ooooh! Me!  Me! Meeeeee!  :-*  <--anal retentive smiley
>
>O.K. here we go.  I haven't phoned the local Org yet, so I don't know
>the "exact" ( note the quotes ;-)  ) numbers.  But I feel that my
>value of 500,000 PC's, in the past ten years, is a valid guess.
>(In fact I will be a bit more conservative!)
>
>[NB: pay close attention to the disclaimers, Jonathon has said
>that the information he gave us was out-of-date]
>
>     Lets look at my "handy AOLA envelope", see a previous post,
>and that good old TIME(SLIME to Scn'ers) article for more
>detials.  Lets first look at that ten percent of PC's who actually
>climb up that bridge(see a previous post with the estimation that
>there are 50,000 cases, actually let's be conservative!  Say 10,000
>successful cases(remember that Jonathon admitted that he was posting
>out-of date information in his FAQ, but shee-it!, that's never stopped
>me b'fore! ;-) ).
>
>From the TIME article:
>     Personality test:    FREE!
>     Auditing(12.5hrs*$500/hr)                $6250.00
>     Say 3 communications courses 3*$250.00=  $ 750.00
>     Clear Certainty Rundown                  $2800.00
>     NEW! O.T. I (from AOLA)                  $2200.00
>     O.T. II (from AOLA)                      $4300.00
>     O.T. III (from AOLA)                     $7300.00
>     O.T. IV  (ditto)                         $6600.00
>     O.T. V-VII  (TIME)                      $25600.00
>     Case Check (AOLA )-gotta have one!       $ 625.00
>     Purification Rundown for the brave!      $2250.00
>     Hubbard(R) Key to Life Course (AOLA)     $8750.00
>     OT Doctorate (only for the succesful!    $4500.00
>     --------------------------------------------------
>Total: per successful case.           only(!):$71925.00
>
>O.K. so we now have(roughly) $71925.00/successful scientologist.

This indicates your lack of understanding of Scientology.

First, a success does not require the attainment of New OT VII.  There
are not 50,000 New OT VII's.  There aren't even, IMHO, 5,000.

KTL, OT Doctrate course, the communication course (only one would be
taken), are optional and not required to go from aberrated to 
New OT VII.

Next, only Purification Rundown through New Era Dianetics (which
produces Clears for most people) are available at a typical Scientology
church.  New OT VI-VII are only available at FSO (in Clearwater, Florida).
New OT I-V are only available at Advanced Organizations and FSO.
(There are approx. 6 AO's.)

A success in Scientology could mean attaining Clear or maybe completing
the grades or even less.  A success means that the person has improved
from a course or auditing.

>
>now lets look at the 90% who say "this is crazy!", lets say that 
>this 90% quits, on average, at the halfway mark, some quit early
>some quit later, but *on average* they quit after paying $71925/2
>=35962.50.  Lets be conservative, and give the unsuccessful PC 
>a bit more brains and round down, so *on average* the unsuccessful
>PC quits after paying $30000.00.

These figures are completely unreal.

>
>	What have we got?
>
>Scn income for the past ten years = ?
>      = 100,000 unsuccessful PCs' * $30,000.00 /unsuccessful PC
>         + 10,000 successful Scns' * $71,925.00 /successful Scn
>      = $3.596*10^9 from unsuccessful PCs' + $7.19*10^8 from successful Scns'
>      = $4.32*10^9 in the past ten years where the Scn claims (see 
>disclaimers) "tens of thousands" of success stories.
>
>Now,  how much per org per year?
>
>$4.32*10^9 / 450 Orgs / 10 years = $959,000.00 /Org/year

Phoenix Org (where I was staff) *wished* that were true.  They made, at the
most, 75,000 last year.  Missions (which make up about 300 in the 450)
are not able to deliver nearly as much.  I'd guess (IMO) an average
mission might make 25,000 in a year (averaged out).

Remember, the operating expenses of these organizations are reasonbly
high.  Rent, utilities, supplies, reserves, staff pay all add up.

>
>Wow!  And that's a *very* conservative estimate!
>
>What about my earlier guess of 50,000 successes and 500,000 failures
>(failures in a manner of speaking of course!).   Well... just
>multiply the above number by five!

If a failure is someone who hasn't yet reached New OT VII, then
there are something like 6 billion failures on the planet.  Right?

>
>	5 * $959,000.00 /Org/Year = 4,795,000 /Org/year.
>
>note that this assumes only NINE succesful scientologists /Org/month,
>and 90 unsuccessfull scientologists.

As New OT VII is not available except at *ONE* of these organizations,
the average failure per org must be staggering!

Jonathon
Barbera
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