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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Jor-Elmo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: FLAMES: The Marketplace Flames
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:30:44 GMT
Organization: Lara's Kandorian Take-Out
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X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <hylmw#q@lynx.unm.edu>, rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
> And the poltroon who posted something about "rac" is charterless
> is full-of-it.  RAC is still rec.arts.comics until Sept. 30 and 
> rac.marketplace exists specifically for "For Sale" messages.
> 
> Take your shit-house law back to the shit-house.
> 
	Mr. Kelly, you have insulted my name and sullied my honor.
	<SLAP>
	To be called a poltroon in the face of my obvious ignorance, that I can
tolerate.
	But to be called a lawyer?  That, sir, is beyond all tolerance.  Expect
my second (Mike Chary, charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet) to be calling upon you in the
morning to arrange matters so that I may have my satisfaction.
	As the injured party, I shall choose the time and place (San Diego
Comic Con, Friday, 6 am, 1997).  You may pick the weapon of your choice.
I look forward to the sight of your blood.
-- 
"There was always a rational explanation of the haunting, but they had a 
dog that could talk."  -- Joe E. on Scooby-Doo

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
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From: cavers@menudo.uh.edu (Chris M. Cavers)
Subject: Re: Comics mail order - in Canada/USA
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:28:56 GMT

I tried Mile High also.  They really get you with the monthly
mailing fees.  

Anyone know of someplace that is cheap and provides good service?
From: sue_clark@maillink.berkeley.edu (sue clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:01:28 GMT
     <1992Jul29.035916.5809@panix.com>
     <1992Jul30.013600.5003@midway.uchicago.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: electronic anarchists
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2

>Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat is well-established as Jewish, although not very
>observant. Prof. X may or may not be Jewish for pretty much the same
>reasons as Magneto.  Marvel also has an Israeli superbeing called
>"Sabra" -- she's not a "hero" precisely, but certainly fits at least
>as well as Magneto. 

Also in the story about the Demon in the X-Mansion, where Kitty trashes
the building with a wee bit of help, features Kitty's folks coming to
visit her for Channukah. (spelling errors unintentional).

Sue
--------------------
sue_clark@maillink.berkeley.edu

"I fear for the darkness as four Justices anxiously await the single vote
necessary to extinguish the light." -- from an exerpt of Judge Blackmun's
opinion on Planned Parenthood vs. Casey; from the NY Times, Tuesday, June
30th.
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From: yep@wam.umd.edu (--!!HEY!!--)
Subject: Akira Still Wanted
Originator: yep@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:04:42 GMT



HEY!!! >-)))-D

anyone out there willing to see me any issues of "Akira"
from issue#18 and on?


E ME!
Yep "top dollar wins" Yep
yep@wam.umd.edu


BUH-byE!
>-)))-D

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From: ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: DO NOT POST FORSALE MESSAGES HERE
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 08:44:44 GMT

RE:  Forsale messages.

Keep in mind that rac.marketplace was created EXPRESSLY for the purpose 
of getting forsale/wanted/trading messages OUT of r.a.comics.

Though, Elmo, you are correct in one aspect - r.a.comics *IS* a dinosaur -
each day the number of posts dwindles as more and more people switch to
the new heirarchy.  Reminding people not to post forsale messages here
becomes less relevant each day.

(The car ad still threw me, though.)

  - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu, babbling at 2AM)

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From: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
Subject: Re: Crisis = uncreative writers
Originator: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
	<1992Jul23.003021.10129@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Jul24.124845.29387@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Jul30.043822.12166@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<FRANCIS.92Jul30075705@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:34:11 GMT

In article <FRANCIS.92Jul30075705@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu> francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) writes:
   In article <1992Jul30.043822.12166@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe) writes:
      Can't anyone be creative and create a new
      villain that can take a place in Supes' Rogues Gallery Hall of Fame
      and isn't wiped out immediately by the big Red Cheese?

   Two points:

For those who think I can't count :-) :
The second point was that Superman isn't the Big Red Cheese; he's the
Big Red "S".  The Big Red Cheese is Captain Marvel (as in "Shazam").
-- 
R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses): rdf+@osu.edu
                                                            osu-cis!francis
B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith.
From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: A Shade more
Date: 26 Jul 92 05:57:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul26.055716.10077
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul25.013531.6036@midway.uchicago.edu>  
lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.162520.5781@iscsvax.uni.edu>  
levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> >> 
> >> As far as I understand it, the current series of Shade is not set  
within the
> >> mainstream DC continuity.
> >
> >        So, then what you're saying is, is that there are *two* Shades  
running
> >around?  The Ditko version who we saw in the Suicide Squad, and the  
Ditko
> >inspired, Milligan creation version the we all know and love?  Tell me  
if I
> >got that right.
> >
> No, you ain't got that right :*)  Only one Shade these days, the one we  
know
> and love.  But knowing DC, the one from the SS will come back to haunt  
us,
> eventually.  At the moment, though, he no longer exists, and the  
Milligan
> Shade is thankfully disconnected from the DC Uni-verse.

Well, I have my own theory about how the Suicide Squad Shade fits in to  
continuity.  Remember the issue where shade travelled through time meeting  
his younger selves (it was during The Road story)?  It's been a while  
since I read it, but it was implied that Shade made up "Ditko mythology"  
with one of his younger selves during the trip.  And, when you consider  
the reality warping power of the M-vest, you might consider that the Ditko  
mythology was retroactively made into a reality.  This way, all of the  
Ditko and SS stories involved an unreal superhero-like Shade and not the  
one we all know and love.  Does that make any sense?

Michael J. Winston
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: NEC Comics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:30:32 GMT

That's MYSTIC Order of Arachnid Vigilance!  Don't make me get out my straw....
     Dave Van Domelen, only a Cog but working on it
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:56:21 GMT

Kitty's faith featured prominently in the Dracula story in #158(159?), as did 
the faiths of other X-Men.  Logan's lack of faith prevented him from abjuring 
Dracula, Kurt's strong faith enabled him to cause Drac great pain by forcefully
presenting a cross, and Kitty's Star of David saved her from being throttled by
burning Ororo's hand (also the light reflecting off it earlier in the issue 
caused Ororo pain, arousing Kitty's suspicions).
     Dave Van Domelen, got a backhand compliment from wReam, and hopes it won't
leave a mark
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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:18:17 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Jul23.211612.6855@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)

> >I had always thought that this implied that the new origin and power level
> >were due to the Crisis.

> They did try to imply it, but there was a significant gap; long enough for
> the ending of Crisis itself to show a non-businessman Luthor in jail, and
> long enough for Superman to team up with Lady Quark, Harbinger, and Pariah
> in DC Comics Presents, which clearly happened post-Crisis but has the old
> Superman.

As well as the old Captain Atom who Superman never met
before Crisis.  Captain Atom is a new version created
by Cary Bates; and I think the work on the title
was the best he has ever done.

Where did he go? (Bates that is - I know Peterson
ruined  Captain Atom in the attrocious mini-series.
-- 
Glenn Host          | Moving soon; watch this space for new address!
12307 Tigers Eye Ct |
Reston, VA 22091    |
(703) 620-1141      | I will public post abusive email! Be warned!
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: DANGER! Cool World is a BOMB! STAY AWAY!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:21:39 GMT

Well, I didn't think CW was so bad, but then, I still read LSH.  And believe 
me, if you can't follow LSH's plot at least halfway, then you'll be totally 
mystified by the convolutions passed off as plot in Cool World.  The animation 
was about average for a TV show, truly shameful for a major motion picture.  
Maybe we'll get lucky and a Japanese studio will do a remake of it with decent 
animation....
     Dave Van Domelen, much better now, only my hand still hurts from failing 
to break boards with my fist
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From: u9035281@cs.uow.edu.au (Paul John Davis)
Subject: FINN - in 2000AD
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:22:25 GMT

	What do people think of FINN in 2000AD.
	I really like it. It is the best series for a while.
-- 
   	Paul Davis, [RENEGADE]	u9035281@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
	University of Wollongong Simulation Games Secretary
	"You can't be dead. 		Yet.
	 I've still got more bullets left."	 Maverick in Xmen 11
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Superman DIES ???????????
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Jul30.192519.3010@pacdata.uucp>
	<1992Jul30.201048.3332@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:58:40 GMT

>>>>> On 30 Jul 92 20:10:48 GMT, berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) said:

berninge> In article <1992Jul30.192519.3010@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.183720.10380@rdg.dec.com> boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes) writes:
>>>I've seen at least 2 articles saying that Superman is going to die.
>>Neil Gaiman was talking about this when he visited Oxford a few
>>months back: his death will be another DC-Universe-shaker, like
>>Invasion and
>>Millenium, and like those, be all back to normal in a couple of months.
>Wunnerful, now DC has a perfect opportunity to cross SuperDuperman into
>both Hellblazer and Sandman.  If I weren't such a cynic I'd say "no way",
>but you know the head honchos are trying to think of a way to say "way!".

berninge> I doubt it.  Hellblazer and Sandman are both "mature
berninge> titles".  Just as Green Arrow, Sandman, etc. were not
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
berninge> included in Armageddon 2001 or Eclipso -- the younger
berninge> audience would not be encouraged to pick up titles they
berninge> otherwise wouldn't/couldn't buy.

The Green Arrow annual (#5) was part of the Eclipso X-overs. Canary
was eclipsed, and GA calls Batman for help.

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: CBG Awards!
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:27:28 GMT

Just a quick note--the new issue of CBG features the annual awards,
and Suicide Squid did get ten votes for best character!

Just thought I'd share the news...

-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<---------------
"I want to be Robin to Bush's Batman."  Dan Quayle
Quick!  Notify DC.  I think it's time for another 900 number poll.
"We are enjoying a sluggish economy & not enjoying it very much."  --Bush
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Subject: Dark Horse: New American seriesI saw in one of the upcoming comics magazines an ad for a
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 14:49:32 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

new American series from Dark Horse.  Does anybody out there
know anything about this series?  Who's the artist and writer,
is this one in color, etc.?  Email me or post as you like.
     Thanks ahead of time for the info.
 
                                       Jim
                                       jw83hisw@miamiu.bitnet
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From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:25:20 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> 
> As far as I understand it, the current series of Shade is not set within the
> mainstream DC continuity.

        So, then what you're saying is, is that there are *two* Shades running
around?  The Ditko version who we saw in the Suicide Squad, and the Ditko
inspired, Milligan creation version the we all know and love?  Tell me if I got
that right.


 This has been hinted at in the editorial page, and
> during all the cataclysmic events of the American Scream story we saw not one
> glimpse of a superhero. In fact, they nuked...erm...one major US city (might
> have been SF but I can't remember) which I presume hasn't happened in the
> mainstream DC Universe.
> 
        Yes, you're right.  It was San Francisco that got nuked.  Pretty
drastic measures just to take out a hippy, eh?
    

> I should add that I, for one, hope it stays that way. I think Milligan's stor
ies
> are unique and interesting and I don't want to see him tied to someone else's
> idea of having loads of Spandex-suited do-gooders. For that matter, I don't
> want a cross-over with Sandman, Doom Patrol, Hellblazer or anything else. I
> want it to stand alone as a coherent story without any 'run-of-the-mill' sill
yness involving superheroes.
> 
        AMEN!


        S H Y L O C K                 "...Secondly, the Earth's a Libra."
                                                  --GOOD OMENS  Neil Gaiman
From: goerz@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas R Goerz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JSA#1:BUY IT-spoilers
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:22:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


 (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>I rarely plug books on the net (the last one I did was Ray #1), but Justice
>Society #1 is a GREAT first issue.  This is a well written story, with some
>real 'golden-age feel' artwork.  This story will become REAL interesting when
>the original heros meet their modern counterparts.
>
>I definitely recommend picking this up...
I agree it was okay and the final story was good, but I had many problems
with the opening scenes.
  1) Where were Dr. Fate(s), PowerGirl, SSK, Jade, etc ??  I think they may
     be happy to see the JSA??  I mean you can't instantly fill up a stadium
     with people.  Why was Clark the only one to make it????  YuK!

  2) The foreshadowing monster was easily defeated by Superman and the JSA
     acted as if he was amazing!!  GL alone could have defeated this monster.
     They should also remember the Golden age Supes.  THey did before they
     left for there long trip.

  3)  How about Jay and Alan talking of their wives more?!?!

  4)   Hawkman and HawkWoman look good for old folks!!!!

Oh well, what do I expect ??

Chad
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Continuity
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:19:12 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Jul25.135712.11188@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>Magneto's origin dates his character in much the same way, because he was
>also a product of World War II, since his mutant powers manifested itself
>in a concentration camp.  Someday, if the Marvel Universe wants to maintain
>it's consistancy with its current readers, Magneto's origin will have to
>be 'rewritten,' with Magneto's powers manifesting themselves at a different
>time period, but under a similar stress situation.

	However, both Magneto and Professor X have been made younger
through various means.  Magneto was reduced to infancy by Alpha The 
Ultimate Mutant (or so sez Marvel Universe), but later was turned 
back into an adult, once more in his prime.  
	The Prof's body isn't his original one.  He was turned into a 
BroodQueen, but the X-men were able to transplant his still human mind
into a cloned body, which could walk.  In the Muir Island Saga, Legion
shattered his spine or something like that, so he's back in a wheelchair.
	
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
"I've _got_ to start listening to those quiet, nagging doubts." - Calvin
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: San Diego Comic-Con
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:15:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul27.041226.25863@stsci.edu>

Re: Shatner at ComicCon, it is supposedly at 1 p.m.  Don't know about
getting tickets from Marvel, though.  The room Shatner will be in seats
around 2,000 people.  In any case, get there early (around 11 a.m. to 
catch J. Michael Straczynski's presentation on Babylon 5 (which should
feature film from the opening movie (which starts filming that week).
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes)
Subject: Re: Superman DIES ???????????
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:31:47 GMT


In article <9221200.23484@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes...
> 
>I've seen at least 2 articles saying that Superman is going to die.
> 
>Is this really possible? Probably DC will resurrect him before you know
>it...
> 
SPOILER


Neil Gaiman was talking about this when he visited Oxford a few months 
back: his death will be another DC-Universe-shaker, like Invasion and
Millenium, and like those, be all back to normal in a couple of months.

I believe he will be going to Hell, but i could be wrong as NG was talking
about this in the contest of an issue he had pulled (for retcon reasons)
from an issue of Action Comics in which a powerless Hal Jordan hangs
onto Superman, flying over Hell, with Superman having a mental collapse
at the sights he sees with his supervision. The story required GL to know
Superman's seret identity, which John Byrne didn't want.

`Marky' Mark Boyes | Psychological Profile: Ace Rimmer meets Sean Hughes
Basement Flat      | Mantra: You can dance or you can sit and stare at the floor
28 Walton St.      | Mail: boyes@com.dec.enet.forty2   | Kinsey rating: Nobody 
Oxford, UK         | Day: 0734 206708 Night: 0865 53868|  knows I'm straight.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: selke@usite-next.uchicago.edu (Lori Selke)
Subject: Re: Magneto (was Re:Jewish Superheros)
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:27:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.093319.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>  The stuff about him being in a concentration camp is getting kind of
>hard to swallow, as it would make him and Xavier at least 60.
>
>Then again, they've retconned the ages a number of times.
     Not to mention the fact that Magneto was once reduced to an infant at 
some point in his career.
     I don't know when this originally occurred, but I remember a recounting 
of the incident at Magneto's trial for crimes against humainty, waaay back 
in, I believe, issue 200 or so.

     So, Magneto has some excuse for being spry and youngish these days.
I don't know what's going on with Xavier.

>Joel
>-- 
>jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com

Lori
selke@msu.edu
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From: neutron@patchnos (Jack Applin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Titans #89
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:42:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BrwJqq.A2s
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Workstation Kernel, Ft. Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rekle@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Rick Ekle (CompSci)) writes:

> 
> Central City = some city in Florida (Miami?)
> 

But then it wouldn't be central.  I doubt that Central City
means that it's in the Center of Florida!


					-Jack Applin
					 neutron@fc.hp.com
From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re:JLA
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:22:06 GMT
Reply-To: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: danfrank@bashful.cc.utexas.edu

Sanjiv Sarwate complains about the lack of correlation between GL
and JLA about Ice's emotions. I'm less bothered by it since I was just
hoping that they were ignoring that incredibly stupid crush on Superman.
I'm hoping that it's like sitcom amnesia and that something will hit
her on the head and she'll get over it.

Am I the only one that is incredulous that nobody had anything negative
to say about JLA#61 in the letters page of the recent issue of JLA?
Are they afraid to publish negative letters or did the people who
disliked the issue decide to wait for it to improve before complaining?


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From: hankins@cs.swarthmore.edu (Luke Hankins)
Subject: valiant
Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:08:32 GMT

Does anyone out there have any of the gold editions of valiant comics?
What are the unity collections, from CBG i can olny gather that they are
limited editions set of the two (may,june) unity chapters i say one guy
offering 150 for them each....

also does anyone have any harbinger cupons (just the cupons) they want to
sell?

right now do you peoples think it is worth it chop up harbingers 1-6 for #1
i have seen 1-6 (w/ cupons) going for 60$ for the prices being asked for 0
that doesnt seem to bad but i dunno...
-morgan

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Luke Hankins hankins@cs.swarthmore.edu |"I don't care anymore" -P Collins
for(MyAge=0;!Dead;EnjoyLife);          |"I'm here and here I'll stay" -SOC
While not (EndOfLife) do Havefun(me);  |"...stay sane inside insanity..." -RHPS
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