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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Michigan over Wisconsin
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 23:00:15 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>
>Various thoughts:
>
>Webster scored a lot of his points after the game was out-of-reach, so that
>amount might be a bit inflated.  Wisconsin was simply ineffective against
>the huge Wolverines, especially on the inside.  6'10" junior Jeff Petersen
>did not get into the game until there were 15 minutes left, and then scored
>8 points in about 10 minutes.  I really don't understand why he didn't play
>more - it seemed a dumb coaching move on Stu Jackson's part, IMO.  This guy
>is their only effective player in the paint, and he can't score while
>sitting on the bench.  But I'm only a primitive graduate student, and these
>coaching things frighten and confuse me.
>

I wondered about a couple of those decisions myself.
I though Wisc. had a great game-plan coming out:  make
it crazy, throw them off their rhythm.  It worked at first.
So why give it up in the opening moments of the second half?
Michigan really took advantage of that.

>Oh yeah, Wisconsin shot like crap, too.  They jumped out to an early lead,
>and held close to Michigan until the waning moments of the first half.
>After that, Michigan sort of woke up.
>
>On the Michigan side, I was sort of impressed with their defensive effort.
>They seemed to have improved a lot here.  Offensively, these guys should
>forget about the long-range shots and just pound it inside.  Nobody stops
>them in there.  I'm surprised nobody has "zoned" Michigan yet.
>
UNC zoned Michigan with some effectiveness.  I think it works quite
well against Michigan since they don't really have any 3-point 
shooters right now (they were atrocious today).  I'm not sure
that it solved the delemma of their height advantage.  They still
seem to get it inside.

>For somebody who doesn't "coach", I heard Fisher yelling a lot at his
>players the whole game.  After Webber had a crummy uninspired start, Fisher
>benced him with only a few minutes gone.  For a coach who "lets them play",
>this seemed rather Knight-ish to me.  I had a bit more respect for Steve
>until....
>
>There were two minutes left on the clock, and Michigan had a 20-some point
>lead.  Webber had been sitting a while with 4 fouls and 18 points, and
>Fisher brought him back in so he could get his 20.  It seemed a bit
>statistic-hungry to me, and could be somewhat dangerous, if Wisconsin had
>fouled him hard.  Chris gets a couple of FT's, and then leaves again.
>Hmmmmmm......
>-- 


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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: The Quality of this Group
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:30:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.214221.10324@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>In article <C0I1It.227@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> creps@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes:
>>
>>   Since I've started getting more time to post to this group again,
>>have people noticed that the quality of r.s.b.c  has improved quite
>>significantly?
>
>If by "quality" you mean a lack of stupid woofing and flame wars, then yes,
>it has gone up. Personally, I miss the old flame wars over transitivity on
>the r.s.f.c. newsgroup! ;)

   Actually, I was referring to the increase in my own enlightened posts.

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Steve Creps, Indiana University
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:47:32 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <8399@news.duke.edu> jgw@acpub.duke.edu (JAMES WELCH) writes:
>
>I read in the "little" Durham Morning "paper" that the longest current
>winning streak belongs to UNLV at 29 games, the second to Duke at 23 games,
>and in third place is .... (aw I'll let you guess) :-)
>
>Anybody know ?

	That'd be Youveeay, at 13 or 14.

>Jim Welch
--
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Royal Blue n'White U. Babblings
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:06:34 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

My long, obsessive Duke game reports will have to wait a few days.  Due to
increased job responsibilities, I no longer have enough time to spend hours
a day reading the net.  Cliff and my other fans will have to wait a few 
days until I get a different account.  Til then...
...my obligatory opinion regarding the Mackey/Hurley foul/pick.  I think
this was literally a case of Hurley smashing his head into Mackey's sharp
'bow, with most of the damage done when he hit his noggin on the floor.
If Mackey had thrown an elbow at that spot on the floor, I think it should
have been an intentional foul.  But I've seen far worse-looking stuff get
a no-call, and I think this should have been one as well.  Mackey looked
like he was just trying to keep still, not floor Hurley.
...the Parks Theory.  Fact: Parks has had great games against athletic,
highly touted centers this year.  Witness Michigan, OU, and Clemson. 
Parks more than held his own against Webber/Howard/Riley, got 13 boards 
against Sallier & Co, and dominated Wright.  Fact: Against teams with small,
slow, or just plain bad centers, Parks has been flat.  Witness the bad
games against teams that put up stiffs like Northeastern, Canisius and
Rutgers.  Or against teams like LSU and BYU, with slow centers that he could
score against, but who dominated him offensively and on the boards.  Or Tech,
with a small center who took it right to Parks.  Conjecture: Parks will
have great, total games against Kevin Thompson, Acie Earl and Ted Jeffries.
He will be able to score against Montross  and  Petruska, but they'll have
big games against him as well, and dominate him on the boards.  Steve Rich
Rodney Dobard and Evers Burns will have good to excellent success against
him.  Parks could be a real liability against Carolina, especially if 
Grant Hill is forced to pick up the rebounding slack.
...Hurley as Bart.  When Hurley was a frosh, the Cameron scoreboard used to
flash video images of the players.  On occasion, the used to flash a picture
of Bart instead of Hurley! Mysteriously, this scoreboard feature vanished
the next year...
...Special non-Duke note! My POY has to be Anfernee Hardaway, if only for
singlehandedly saving my picks from complete oblivion last week.  He has
been forced to become a one-man team on a Memphis State squad that has only
one other good player.  But he's not just a scoring-freak, one trick pony.
He grabs rebounds inside and out, passes almost as creatively as Bobby 
Hurley and takes/makes unbelievable storybook shots with the greatest of
ease.  Forget Mashburn, Forget the Lord our G.Hill, Penny is the most
versatile player in the country.  If I had an NBA team, I might even pick
him first over Webber.  Anytime you want some moonbeams, Anfernee's the
thing.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"I've been your dog ever since I've been your man."--Son House
From: smaher@ismdqa.intel.com (Steve Maher ~)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who's Number 2?
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:19:46 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.

>In article <ASH.93Jan4084025@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>The latest AP poll isn't out yet (or if it is I haven't seen it),
>but the CNN/USA Today poll now has:
>
>1.  Duke
>2.  Kentucky
>3.  Michigan
>4.  Indiana
>5.  North Carolina
>6.  Kansas
>7.  Seton Hall
>8.  Iowa
>9.  Purdue
>10. Oklahoma

AAAARRRRRGGHH!!!!

Tell me WHY a 2-loss Indiana team is rated above BOTH North Carolina and
Kansas???  ESPECIALLY since KU beat them out there?  I think Kansas got 
unfairly hammered by the CNN/USAT poll...

Steve(JayhawkinSiliconValley)Maher
...And I don't think it's because I'm biased either...
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Trivia Question Answer
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

The question: name the 3 non-conference teams that Duke has lost to at home,
other than Louisville.  Orin, Rob Mack, and George all nailed it:
Vanderbilt (76-75, 2 OT: Nov 28, 1981--season opener), Appalachian St 
(75-70, Dec 5, 1981), and Wagner (84-77, January 5th, 1983).  I believe 
the latter loss caused coach k to cry in the shower.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"I've been your dog ever since I've been your man."--Son House
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Duke BB fans = Notre Dame FB fans?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:58:24 CST

I just saw that comparison in a post, and thought in many cases this has
become true.

I'll leave it for the reader to decide.... :^)

Hey Cliff, how is my basketball content to no basketball content post
ratio?  I'm really trying to lower it.... 
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Subject: Terps fall to Ga. Tech 85-75
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:42:45 GMT

The ACC season opened with Georgia Tech defeating Maryland 85-75 at Maryland.
The Terps shot only 29% in the first half, while Georgia Tech shot 50%. The
real killer for Terp fans: the Terps were 7-21 from the line!! If they shot a
reasonable percentage, it would have been a closer game. Then again, there are
always what ifs!

Johnny Rhodes and Kevin McLinton each had 15. Travis Best led the Jackets with
(I think) 25. He's a sharp guard; Tech definitely falls off a notch when he
goes to the bench. James Forrest also had a good game.

Next stop for the Terps: at the Dean Dome Saturday at 4:00. If they thought
Tech was tall and packed a mean zone, wait til Saturday! UNC is tough. I think
Maryland's only chance is to shoot very well from outside.

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Trash talking %^$#@*)(
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:25:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.212041.22544@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> 
> >Orin Day:
> >
> >> A recent radio report stated that the Georgia football coach thought
> >> that the most serious problem in college sport was trash talking.
> >> Opinions?
> >
> 
> A problem, maybe, but THE MOST SERIOUS PROBLEM in college athletics???
> 
> Not hardly.

Rob's response was mine, and the opinion of Ira Melman (the talk show host
on WTEM) as well.  It can be a problem as it can lead to fights, but if
officials deal with it properly, it shouldn't.  In my opinion, the most
serious problem is players not getting an education - if a player
bolts early to the pros, I don't fault them, but note that 44% of the
hardship football players weren't even drafted over 5 years.

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From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Free throw shooting
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:02:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <8339@news.duke.edu>, fls@acpub.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes...

>	If the free-throw line were moved to behind the 3-point circle,
>in a couple of years everyone would be shooting 80+% for free throws and
>better than 50% for 3-pointers.

What about physics?  Given a longer distance, the same initial error in 
trajectory would result in a much larger error when the ball arrived at
the basket.

Longer shots are harder.  Lay-ups are easier.  Missed dunks are 
humiliating.
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Biased Fans / Bad Refs
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:07:42 CST

This almost sounds like some sort of book title, doesn't it?  Maybe it
should be Jim Bain's autobiography title.

In my experience, fans that boo "bad" calls are wrong at least 2/3 of the
time.  I used to think that it was that they were trying to sway the refs,
but in reality, I now think they are blind or stupid.

Never have I noticed this more than at my days at Purdue (and my return
trips to Mackey).  Last Saturday versus Butler, I counted at least 12 times
where many of the fans were whining about what my friends and I perceived
as good calls.  A few times, a bad call was made in Purdue's favor, and the
lot of them thought it was a good call.  I think quite often people see
what they want to see.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Subject: Re: UC beats UMASS
Keywords: UC, Bearcats, UMass
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:22:29 GMT

In article <C0qvuD.zs@world.std.com>, robert@world.std.com (Robert Sadowski) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan11.185943.17815@cybvax0.uucp> wbs@cybvax0.UUCP (William B. Solomon) writes:
|> >For the record,  Cincinatti was the favorite in this game. Anywhere
|> >from 1-1/2 to 3 points.  Coach Huggins lied to his team by telling
|> >them that they were 5 point underdogs in order to motivate them.
|> 
|> According to who ? This game went off at Cinci +3 1/2 
|> 
|> >William Solomon
|> 
|> --
|> Robert Sadowski
|> robert@world.std.com

   I don't know where you guys get your lines from, but the local paper
 here (Cincinnati Enquirer) had reported the Las Vegas line for the game 
 as UMass by 4.5,a day before the game. 

   Aji
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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: ACC Update
Keywords: ??
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:05:42 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

DUKE ROOLZ!!!
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DUKE ROOLZ!!!
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DUKE ROOLZ!!!
DUKE ROOLZ!!!
DUKE ROOLZ!!!
DUKE ROOLZ!!!


If you don't want to see this three times a week, then someone volunteer
to start doing updates.
-- 
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   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Michigan over Wisconsin
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:58:47 CST

Michigan   98
Wisconsin  73

Not much to say here; Michigan is just a good team.  Webber led a balanced
attack by the Super-Sophs 4 (Jackson is out with a separated shoulder),
scoring 20.  Tracy Webster had 25 for the Badgers in a losing cause, with
Finley chipping in 17.

Various thoughts:

Webster scored a lot of his points after the game was out-of-reach, so that
amount might be a bit inflated.  Wisconsin was simply ineffective against
the huge Wolverines, especially on the inside.  6'10" junior Jeff Petersen
did not get into the game until there were 15 minutes left, and then scored
8 points in about 10 minutes.  I really don't understand why he didn't play
more - it seemed a dumb coaching move on Stu Jackson's part, IMO.  This guy
is their only effective player in the paint, and he can't score while
sitting on the bench.  But I'm only a primitive graduate student, and these
coaching things frighten and confuse me.

Oh yeah, Wisconsin shot like crap, too.  They jumped out to an early lead,
and held close to Michigan until the waning moments of the first half.
After that, Michigan sort of woke up.

On the Michigan side, I was sort of impressed with their defensive effort.
They seemed to have improved a lot here.  Offensively, these guys should
forget about the long-range shots and just pound it inside.  Nobody stops
them in there.  I'm surprised nobody has "zoned" Michigan yet.

For somebody who doesn't "coach", I heard Fisher yelling a lot at his
players the whole game.  After Webber had a crummy uninspired start, Fisher
benced him with only a few minutes gone.  For a coach who "lets them play",
this seemed rather Knight-ish to me.  I had a bit more respect for Steve
until....

There were two minutes left on the clock, and Michigan had a 20-some point
lead.  Webber had been sitting a while with 4 fouls and 18 points, and
Fisher brought him back in so he could get his 20.  It seemed a bit
statistic-hungry to me, and could be somewhat dangerous, if Wisconsin had
fouled him hard.  Chris gets a couple of FT's, and then leaves again.
Hmmmmmm......
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Our Championship (was: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

It is easy for Coach K to credit the crowd for victories when Duke typically
plays its first 4 tourney games in its own back yard.  This is totally an
unfair advantage.  It is unfair mostly because in most years, #1 seeds rarely
get even close to their hometown.  The tourney should match teams on as level
a playing field (ie neutral court) as possible in order to determine which
team is best.

According to the rule book, you are allowed to use a maximum of 5 players at
any given time, regardless of what coach K or anyone else says.

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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: BYU telecasts
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:58:12 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

Does anyone know which BYU basketball games are being broadcast on the Blue &
White Network?
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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From: cdcg9698@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles D. Croxton)
Subject: Re: Lotsa Stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:50:19 GMT
Keywords: O'Bannon Colson Kal Kidd

Matthew Merzbacher writes that he challenges any conference to send 5 first
round picks to the pros and still have an up year.  Well, it may not be the
best year the ACC has ever had, but still pretty good (as of now, 2 top ten
teams, 4 total top 20, a couple of others close), and the ACC sent 5 pretty
good players to the pros in the first round last year --

Bryant Stith (Virginia)
Laettner
Hubert Davis (UNC)
Gugliotta (NCSt)
Walt Williams (Maryland)

Admittedly only Duke and UNC seem not to miss their picks, but none of the
other three teams was really that great anyway.

Derek Croxton
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Free Throw Shooting
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:37:14 GMT

In article <8344@news.duke.edu> fls@acpub.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>
>	If my history serves me, Wilt Chamberlain spent plenty of time
>practicing free throws.  He was simply too big to shoot them
>consistently.  Of course, he probably wouldn't'v traded away six inches
>just so he could shoot a free throw.
>
>fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu

I can't believe he was 'simply too big' to shoot them consistently.  My
guess is he just didn't have the 'touch' and rarely took outside shots
to get good range.  There are a handful of big men (over 6'9") that can 
shoot FTs with good consistency.  Just pick the ones that take a fair
amount of outside shots (and make them, of course) -- Ferry, Laettner, 
Laimbeer, McHale, Nance, Perkins, Schrempf, and Chambers come to mind, 
and ALL shoot over 85% from the FT line.

-- 
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Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: mpollak@oracle.uucp (Maximilian Pollak)
Subject: Re: Duke-Tech game
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:24:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Hi,

Memories don't necessarily grow short.  I just couldn't remember the last time Georgia Tech beat Duke.  Over the last four years, how many times has GT defeated Duke in basketball?

I remembered one weird season, I thought it was four years ago, where Duke beat GT in football, but might have lost to them in basketball.  It was weird because then football coach Steve Spurrier sort of ran up the score on Tech, it might have been the most points ever scored against Tech or the most touchdown throws or some such stat. Bobby Ross wasn't a happy camper after that game.

Getting back to basketball, it just seems that in the last few years GT hasn't pulled together very well.  Coach Cremins always gets some awesome players, butthen does not get a supporting cast to go along with them and when the big star(s) leave it takes a while for somebody to step into the role vacated by a starting player.

I have nothing against the Yellow Jackets, but I just don't think Coach Cremins is a very good coach.  Coach Cremins does not react to game situations very well and he doesn't develop players so that when a big star leaves someone else with experience can replace him.

Just to reiterate, I am not flaming GT.  I think they would beat teams like Duke more often if they had a better bench coach, player development system and depth resulting from underclassmen playing along with upperclassmen.  Hope Sunday is a good game for both Duke and GT.

Max






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