From: maxson@cerl.uiuc.edu (K R Maxson)
Subject: Repost: Tape List Submissions
Summary: for those who missed the first posting
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:32:42 GMT
Keywords: we love Animeigo

Purpose:

	To allow convenient access to other anime tape traders on the internet
	and connected systems.


Method:

	Traders mail lists of their anime to maxson@unicorn.cerl.uiuc.edu.
	Included with each tape list should be:

		A disclaimer stating that you, the trader are not a member of a
		United States federal organization and will not engage in any
		activity that might be harmful to other traders participating
		in this venture.  This is a gesture of goodwill affirming your
		love for your fellow anime fans and assuring them that you
		would never harm them, lie to them, dismember them, or cause
		them to become economically or legally disadvantaged in any
		way, shape, or form.

		Your name, electronic mail address, and snail mail address
		unless you are really paranoid.

		Your personal rules for tape trading.  That is, what tapes you
		consider acceptable, whether or not you are willing to purchase
		media or insist on being sent blank tapes, et cetera.

		A list of tapes.  It is understood that even should a trader's
		list contain copies of commercially available tapes produced
		by Animeigo, US Renditions, US Manga Corps, Streamline, or any
		other value-added company, these are NOT available for trade.
		Fan subtitled copies of anime that become commercially
		available subtitled should also not be traded for.  I feel no
		need to defend dubbing butcheries like "Warriors of the Wind,"
		and would trade fan subtitles of "Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa,"
		but mileages may differ between traders.

	When a sufficient number of traders have submitted lists, a cat of
	all lists will be mailed to all contributors.

	The most recent copy of the master list will also be available upon
	request by any contributors.  At the present time there is no plan for
	distributing the list to non-contributors.


Why This Way:

	Other suggestions for facilitating tape acquisition via the net
	have been:

		A hierarchical moderated exchange system.

		An anonymous FTP site with traders' tape lists.

		None at all; present methods are sufficient.

	Personally, I find a moderated double-blind tape exchange system
	unacceptable.  To me it appears to place too high of a workload on
	a few people, and to be prone to abuses.  Such a scheme is moving
	ahead under someone else's guidance, but I would not feel comfortable
	taking part in it.

	An anonymous FTP site would, in my opinion, be an ideal solution
	were it not for the fact that anime tape trading is a dark, dark, dark
	grey legal matter.  Black, actually.  That being the case, it would
	be wise to circulate tape trading information only in the widest circle
	that could be deemed at least moderately safe from prying, nasty, 
	vicious, evil, law-abiding eyes.  Anonymous FTP sites reach an
	audience that is a little too large.

	Current electronic methods basically amount to sending electronic
	mail to somebody you see write something in rec.arts.anime.  This can
	work, and it can also annoy people who have no wish to trade tapes.
	And, if you are looking for something in particular, or that is a bit
	esoteric, you are reduced to posting a request that might very well
	get no response.

	This method is as happy a medium as I could come up with.  It doesn't
	take very much work -- basically the only work involved is that each
	trader must maintain a list of their tapes on-line.  Information that
	is potentially damaging will only be distributed to other at-risk
	people, presumably those least likely to do anything slimey with it.
	And you can tell at a grep where you can get just the thing you are
	looking for.


Legality:

	Now, although this tape trading is not really legal, I, personally,
	do not find it very morally objectionable.  What I do find morally
	objectionable is:

		Trading copies of commercially subtitled anime such as the
		excellent products made by Animeigo.

		Trading copies of commercially dubbed anime such as the
		steaming piles of refuse produced by Streamline.

		Trading fan subtitles of anime that has been commercially
		subtitled.

	What I don't find morally objectionable is:

		Trading fan subtitles of anime that is not available any
		other way subtitled.

		Trading fan subtitles of anime that is only commercially
		available in hatchet dubs like "Warriors of the Wind."

		Trading unsubtitled anime that you cannot easily get through
		the various anime import houses in the United States.

	What I'm a bit wishy-washy on is:

		Trading unsubtitled copies of anime that you could purchase
		from Books Nippan or some other anime import house.

	But, of course, all of these are my personal opinions and have nothing
	whatsoever to do with the law.

	HOWEVER!  The damages done by the kind of trading I find morally
	acceptable are not large enough to warrant a federal crack-down, and
	I for one am not even remotely worried about prosecution.  Recognizing
	that there are anime fans who are concerned, this project is designed
	to minimize risk without rendering it incapable of achieving its goal.
	Hopefully that is what it will do.


That's It:

	Questions?  Comments?  Tape list contributions?  Send them all to
	maxson@unicorn.cerl.uiuc.edu.


Disclaimer:

	I'm not trying to screw anybody.  I am not nor have I ever been a
	federal employee, and we don't even get goverment grant money where I
	work.  My machine is as secure as you would expect a Sun to be -- ha
	ha ha.  The lists you submit will be echoed complete with disclaimers,
	and only to those who contributed, so you will be able to see for
	yourself that everybody involved is at the very least claiming to be
	your buddy and on the up-and-up.
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