From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:23:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.133743.5387@bnr.ca> thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.100107.11662@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.214559.1227@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com
>>(edward.lor) writes:
>>>...
>>>It is time to let our voice be heard, otherwise our silence will
>>>be interpreted as consent to Japan's irresponsible attitude
>>>toward the crime she did to our country during the Sino-Japanese War.
>>Our country?  Like hell it is.  My country is the United States of America. 
>except for you.  :-)  the poster didn't realize you were here.
>>I urge Asian-Americans to ignore this hypocritical and totally
>>fecal appeal to your sensibilities.  It is a strange day when a Chinese
>>condemns so vocally what Japan did during WWII.
>>Yes.  Japan did pillage and plunder Korea and China.  But what Japan
>>did pales in comparison to what the Chinese have down.
>
>dwight, edward's post/letter requests that japan 'fesses up to
>its actions done in wwII--actions which even you agree were/are true;
>so what then prevents us (not only those of chinese descent) from
>supporting his request?  nothing really.  :-)

Do tell.  When was the last time that you, Mr. Murtagh, heard
the Chinese apologize for the deaths that they caused?  Their
victims number in the 100 million.

I have never heard an apology in an official capacity.  I have
read an apology by the Japanese emporer, although admittedly
the recipients of the apology felt that the language was not
strong enough.

>
>you can't downplay one atrocious action with another i.e. just because the

I'm not downplaying 1 atrocity with another.  Mr. Lor was requesting
support for his demands of the Japanese emporer; his post even solicited
signatures.

Yes.  Japanese war atrocities should be remembered, but they should not
be remembered in the capacity by which Mr. Lor requests.  His request
is incredibly hypocritical for a Chinese.

When was the last time that you heard a Chinese demand apologies
detailing in excruciating detail the crimes committed by the Chinese?  When?
I've never heard it.

>body count afflicted by china itself  may be greater than the body
>count afflicted by japanese occupation, that is not justification
>for not asking japan for formal acknowledgements of the deeds done. 

Japan has apologized, but what Mr. Lor wants is Japan's recognition
of the precise numbers of the dead and recognition of particular
details.

Again, when was the last time that the Chinese admitted what they've
done?  They killed 100 million people in this century.

The Chinese can spout the numbers killed in Nanjing easily, although
the precise numbers who died are a lot less than what the Chinese
say.  The Americans in Japan after the war assessed that only 20,000
Chinese died in the Rape of Nanjing; this is far less than the
200,000 that the Chinese claim.

(The Chinese have done the same bogey arguments concerning
the TAM incident about 2 years ago.  They say that 2000 died, but
actually, the figure was much closer to 200.)

However, the Chinese suddenly suffer from amnesia when they asked how
many Taiwanese did the Chinese machine gun to death around 1949?
The correct answer is ~30,000.

If this isn't hypocrisy, what the hell is?

>
>i understand the intensity with which you defend japan--it is the same

Come on.  This is bull.

Mr. Thao, in your entire post, you never once acknowledged that
the Chinese committed atrocities, whose numbers far exceed the Japanese.
I acknowledged that Japan did, in fact, commit atrocities.

I hardly call that defending Japan with "intensity".

>[stupidity deleted]

What I find disturbing is that people are buying into this
"Oh.  We Chinese are such innocent victims of the _evil_ Japanese."
The Chinese are sheer hypocrites.  What they've done to so many
people make many of the Chinese to be no less than savages--to put it
mildly.

Can anyone even remember one commemoration ceremony held by the Chinese to
remember the 100 million victims who were killed by the Chinese?  Huh?
I didn't think so.

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