HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Bontchev's arrogance
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:02:36 GMT


Isn't it jolly that Vesselin Bontchev, who responds viciously and
personally when he thinks I'm suggesting how Europeans might consider
behaving with respect to a U.S. invention, feels perfectly free to
speak for all Europeans and tell them what to do in his messages in
"Re: Let's make PGP able to read RIPEM messages!"

I had removed him from my kill file on the basis that maybe his rude
behavior was a temporary aberration, but given his latest, he's
back. Thus readers should not expect a reply to any response he
posts to this message.

David

-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM Public Key on server  --  Consider it an envelope for your e-mail

Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,alt.security.ripem
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,alt.security.ripem,sci.crypt
Subject: RIPEM Access
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:19:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.security.ripem
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Since some have noticed that RIPEM is up on rsa.com for downloading, and
have incorrectly inferred it is now available without condition,
the following may be useful. Prior to being able to download it,
one must read the license.

After reading the license, one sees the following:
If you acknowledge that:

     1. You have read the RSAREF Program License Agreement and
        understand and agree to be bound by its terms and conditions,
        including without limitation its restrictions on foreign
        reshipment of the Program and information related to the
        Program;

     2. The computer to which you are requesting that the program be
        transmitted is located in the United States of America;

     3. You are a United States citizen or a permanent resident of the
        United States; and

     4. The RSAREF Program License Agreement is the complete and
        exclusive agreement between RSA Laboratories and you relating
        to the Program, and supersedes any proposal or prior
        agreement, oral or written, and any other communications
        between RSA Laboratories and you relating to the Program,
 then
-----------------
followed by instructions for obtaining the program.

According to the announcement, it is available to U.S. Sites only,
so presumably there is also some access control mechanism to enforce
that.

David
-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM Public Key on server  --  Consider it an envelope for your e-mail
Xref: sparky alt.security.pgp:461 alt.security:5275
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,alt.security
Subject: PGP 2.1 source posted in alt.sources
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:06:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.security.pgp
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

Looks like someone posted pgp 2.1 source to alt.sources.  I find it quite
amusing, myself... :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,sci.crypt
From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: RSAREF License (legal stuff, my apology etc.)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 00:00:29 GMT
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: You care? FLip off!

Hello,
	Some time ago,  I said that RSADSI President lied to me
	about delivery of his revised RSAREF license. In fact,
	he was only late in keeping his word. The revised 
	license from him was received December 23, 1992.
	Thus I owe him an apology, and here it is. I
	shouldn't have been too hasty, accusing 
	Mr. Bidzos of lying.

	Another piece of news - I asked for, and was granted
	permission to access  those four routines in RSAREF,
	which provide direct access to RSA algorithm.   This
	probably is of common  interest/concern  (and speaks
	good of PKP).
-- 
Regards,
Uri.		uri@watson.ibm.com
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Newsgroups: alt.security,comp.mail.misc,news.answers,alt.security.ripem
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: alt.security
Subject: RSA Canadian Patents
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 09:19:18 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <C071MJ.HLA@wimsey.bc.ca> 
(Mark C. Henderson) writes: 
> It seems that RSADSI and PKP believe that their patents on public 
> key cryptography apply in Canada. The essential question probably is,
> for which of the U.S. Patents on public key cryptography
> was a corresponding Canadian patent granted.

        How about it, Sternlight? Can your lawyer save us a patent
        search?
From: DMR104@psuvm.psu.edu (David Ravegum)
Newsgroups: alt.security
Subject: Re: pc-mpc
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:36:53 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

>> A new PS-MPC?

Yes, there IS a new version of the Phalcon/Skism Code generator.  However,
it is NOT a new MPC.. MPC was totally re-written, and the result is now
called G2 - The 2nd Generation of Virus Creation Utilities.  I have a copy
of this thing, although I haven't played with it yet.  It was just released
by the author, Dark Angel, a few days ago, and should be finding it's way
around very quickly.  As for the code it produces, I'm told it's far better
than MPC, or any of the other virus creation utils.  But, Like I said, I
haven't played with it yet, so I don't know for sure.  But it IS there.
From: norris@madmag.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.security
Subject: AS/400 Security Products
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:47:54 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	I'm looking for add-on security products for AS/400. Does anyone
	know of any and can give a short description of the product?

	Thanks.

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From: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Newsgroups: alt.security
Subject: Re: Kerberos Information
Keywords: Network Kerberos
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:24:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

pholman@Ingres.COM (Paul Holman) writes:
>I'm interested in any information about Kerberos, knowing only
>that it is an authentication server and PC Net based in origin.

First of all, it most definitely is *not* "PC Net based in origin".
It was originally developed at MIT's Project Athena in order to
provide a means of authentication over a large network of Unix
workstations.  Over time, others have ported Kerberos to other
platforms, including PCs.

The best place to find information is the newsgroup
comp.protocols.kerberos (which is actually gatewayed to/from a mailing
list, the address of which I can't remember at the moment).  If you're
lucky, your news server may still have a copy of the FAQ that was posted
there a little while back.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.security,alt.security.pgp,comp.security.misc,sci.crypt
From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Two security-related texts available by anonymous ftp
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:13:56 GMT

Hello, everybody!

I just made the following files available on our anonymous ftp site:

ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de:/pub/virus/texts/security/idea.zip

contains a PostScript file, describing the IDEA cypher. It is actually
Chapter 3 of Dr. X. Lai's thesis and was posted on the net recently.

ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de:/pub/virus/texts/security/itar.zip

contains the full text of ITAR - the US export/import regulations.

There are other computer security related texts in the same directory,
so help yourself. Just have in mind that our communication link is
rather slow.

Regards,
Vesselin
-- 
Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev          Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226      Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.1 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de    D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
From: 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:59:09 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu



  Realism in this genre?  A contradiction, I think.  What is written,
the reactions of "screaming in terror", are all hypothetical.  You
have an element of the supernatural, which you try to relate with what
is natural.   But I think realism is a word we must throw out once we
turn the first page.

  In fact, throw me in with Dahmer; I quite frankly find fiction where
the horrors are embraced (and yes, there are people out there, and
stories to convey this "twisted" desire) much more exciting and fresh.
If you want realism, I suggest you pick up a Dickens novel, or any
other book which falls under real "L"-iterature, as you put it.  The
very fact that you say The Stand "transcends" the horror genre is
getting to my point: why transcend it?  Why not embrace it? Is being
catergorized as Big "L" literature so wonderful?  I see a bunch of
old, withered scholars sitting round a table saying, "Why yes, I think
Steve has finally made it to the big league.  Let's take him seriously
now."  Who the fuck are these people, anyway?

  The main opinion I was trying to express is just that King's
protaganists never move the book: it's always the dog, or the psycho
lady, or the clown, or the vampires.
  I think Barker's novels are much more exhilarating, by the fact that
his characters push the plot by their own actions; they WANT what
happens; they have ambitions, and desires, as well as fears.  Unreal,
you might say?  I think the opposite.

  And please, I don't want fundamentalists on my case about religion.
I just think that using Biblical references is sort of a
cop-out, imagination-wise.  If you're going to set a novel in
Christianland, then lots of questions get answered before they're
asked; little is left for the reader to decide.

  I think there is a big difference in King's novels, and let's say
Barker's because of personal faith.  There are things which you just
don't do if you believe in heaven, things which I believe deserve
attention.   All right, I'll stop myself before I get too deep.

VHE,

  norm
Xref: sparky alt.horror:5443 rec.arts.movies:36702
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: HELLRAISER 3
Keywords: Hellraiser 3
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:21:52 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

Howell Parry writes:
>Can anyone out there give me any information about "Hellraiser 3" ?
>Has it been released in the US yet ?

Don't know, but I saw it on a film-festival in November last year
here in Norway. I don't think it'll see a general release, though.
(in Norway that is)

>If so, what's it like ?

IMO:

I was very disappointed with the movie. It's gone completely
commercial and the Barker 'feeling' is lost somewhat. It has
a few nice scenes and fx, but it could have been directed and
cut many times better than it did. There are no mysteries and
the action scenes take complete control over the movie.

It has no original music (except some heavy trash), only rip-
offs from the last two movies.

Don't expect anything like the first two. Take it as it is and
maybe you'll get something out of it.

>Please e-mail me or reply on USENET with any info you may have.

If you want I can give a more detailed info (plot) about the
movie. I didn't want to post any spoilers on the net.
From: gunnar@ip.chalmers.se (Gunnar Nilsson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Help needed from u.k. readers!
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:34:08 GMT
Reply-To: pe06@pe.chalmers.se
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN


Hi!
I need help from the u.k. readers to find a book store or
something, that accepts mail order from sweden.
The stock here is ...hm.. limited. So any help in finding a good book store whith a lot of horror books would be appriciated(sp?).

You can mail me at
gunnar@ip.chalmers.se
From: 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:28:13 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu


  Well, in scope yes, it is one of King's more ambitious works.  But
the ending, which reflects King's personal faith, in my opinion makes
the first 1--- pages of sweat and blood seem . . . inconsequential.

   I think in most of King's works there is a disappointing lack of
character drive -- the protaganists are usually only victims or
spectators to whatever happens to or around them, eager to just "get
on" with their ordinary lives.  I think he concentrates too much on
man's reflexive fear, discounting the "perverse" desire for wonderment
(a reason why most people read the genre), however dark, which some
authors like Barker eagerly investigate.

  As for the second response, why yes, I do seem to have a glaring
lack of appreciation for the Christian faith.  Yet if you ask yourself
about The Stand, why not have God come down and just end the novel at
page 12, save the world there instead of making us go through a
thousand and a half pages of text?  I suppose that would sort of
dampen the suspense, but it would save a lot of time.

  Basically, if you're going to include God in a book, you'd better
include the Devil too.  It balance things a bit, don't you agree?

VHE (Very Humbly Expressed)- shit, what do I know? -

  norm
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: Koontz again
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:35:26 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-2246]: thor

This is funny... every article I've read has placed Strangers as Koontz'
best... I myself, can not get through it... I've been reading it for
almost 3 months now, and it just can't hold me attention. I have read
Servants of Twilight, and I loved it,and I have bought others that I am
going to attempt to read, but I've got to force my way through Strangers
first!

In my opinion, John Saul is a much better writer than Koontz.

Oh well, as if you wanted to know...

Meow...
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: dstuart@vcd.hp.com (Dan Stuart)
Subject: Re: Koontz
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:09:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

The Woodsman (paige@csri.toronto.edu) wrote:
: 
:   The Best Koontz' to start with (in any order):
: 
:      Watchers
:      Lightning
:      Strangers    (my personal favourite)
:      Phantoms
:      Midnight
:      Whispers
:      The Bad Place
: 
: 

I don't want to get into a debate since this is all a matter of personal taste. 

I agree with the top 5; they are by far his best works. I'm not a big fan
of "Whispers" and "The Bad Place". You might also try "Darkfall" or 
"Twilight Eyes". "Darkfall" is full of action and "Twilight Eyes" is sorta
different.

It is funny to see how other people perceive books. I, personally, rank 
"The Bad Place" as Koontz' second to the last. Just above "The Mask".

Again all this is IMHO.

Take care and happy reading.

Dan S.
From:  (David Ingham)
Subject: Re: Fear According to Card: Dread, Terror and Horror
Organization: Beer R Us
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:36:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written

In article <1igubuINN2ib@agate.berkeley.edu>, chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua
HakLien) wrote:
> 

> "Horror is the weakest of all. After the fearful thing has happend, you 
> see its remainder, its relices. The grisly, hacked-up corpse. Your 
> emotions range from nausea to pity for the victim. And even your pity is
> tinged with revulsion and disgust, ultimately you reject the scene and
> deny its humanity; with repetition, horror loses its ability to move you
> and, to some degree, dehumanizes the victim and therefore dehumanizes you."
>

I agree with Card about the Horror part.  Was anyone really scared by any
of the slasher movies? I know I wasn't.  Remember how in the slasher
hey-days that each new slasher movie that came out had to out due the
previous one's level of gore? So it seems evident that audience were being,
if not dehumanized, at least desensitized to Horror. 
 
> Agreements? It certainly is an interesting way to think about fear. WW Jacob's
> _The_Monkey's_Paw_ is a classic tale of dread, while Poe's _The_Pit_And_The_
> Pendulum_ more a tale of terror, while King's _Survivor_Type_ ( from
> his collection _Skeleton_Crew_) was definitely a tale of horror.
> ( Revolting, but not scary... [ SPOILER follows ] )
> 
> ( It's about this guy who ends up on an island and starts eating his own
> body parts for sustenance. Not very nice..... )
> 
> What stories/movies have really filled you with dread? 
> 
> Chua
> +==+

I can think of one movie that really instilled fear and that was Hallowean.
 I know this started the slasher movies, but there was little Horror (as
defined by Card) and moslty Dread as the killer stalked his victim. 

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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Re: Koontz again
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:50:43 GMT

   Oops, I forgot about Darkfall and Twilight Eyes (the
 old brain is still on vacation time). I liked Darkfall,
 not as much as, say, Watchers or Strangers, but it's quite
 good. Twilight Eyes I have difficulty with. The first time
 I read it, I liked it a lot. When I re-read it this past
 summer, I didn't like it nearly as much; I'm not sure why.
 Still, it's a decent Koontz.

   The Leigh Nichols re-releases are only average, from my
 experience. The House of Thunder is OK, as is Servants of
 Twilight (Koontz sure likes the word 'Twilight'!).

   He's also written under the pseudonyms "Brian Coffey"
 and "Owen West". One of the Owen West titles is a noveliz-
 ation of the flick "The Funhouse". I saw the book in
 hardcover (under Koontz' name) in England; haven't seen it
 over in North America, yet, except under the West name.

   Have fun,

		The Woodsman.
-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu             
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: isc20059@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH YEN LING)
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:12:23 GMT

Chua HakLien (chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
>While Barker is the more imaginative of the two, with his creations being
>in a more fantastic/romantic vein ( the pleasure / pain Cenobites... ), 
>King's monsters and creatures are closer
>to home. Even Flagg is your demon-in-a-human-body, while the thingie in _IT_
>goes around in a clown suit. It's probably the reason why King appeals
>more to the mass market; his horrors can be more easily related to, and
>Barker's creations seem remote in comparison. 

I wouldn't say King is less imaginative.  It takes a lot of effort
setting a story close to reality without becoming too fantastic.  I can
appreciate the horrors in King's stories better because they're more
plausible.

Barker's creatures will definitely work better on the screen.  His
stories are also filled with more blood and gore.  Unfortunately I don't
find anything frightening in his books.  However I still dread finishing
Pet Sematary, it's so eerie.

>However, in terms of writing something that is actually scary, I find both
>of them wanting. They may make one go 'Yucks' ( eg: The toilet blowing up
>while this guy was sitting on it in _It_ ), but not 
>make one rush out and buy a night light or check under
>the bed. I suppose the modern day horror reader is more interested in
>novelty, than in actually getting a good scare. Witness Koontz, whose 
>one plotline has seemed to work well for over 18 books... =) 
>
Well, I did dread using the bathroom at night, especially using the
sink.  I had this nagging fear that I might "hear" voices coming out
from it.  8) 

The only King story (actually it's a novella) that I'm disappointed with
is "The Library Policeman" from Four Past Midnight.  The creature was so
similar to the one in Peter Straub's Ghost Story.  "The Langoliers" was
simply brilliant though.

>Chua
>+==+
>

Alison

Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:04:00 GMT

>I hate it when people who have little knowledge of film whine about not
>understanding a movie.

>Several recent films that have demonstrated this problem:

>Barton Fink
>Naked Lunch
>Zentropa
>ect.

>Give up on your concept of what a film should be like and go with the flow.
>A film is like any other art form, not contrained to a set of rules that
>the viewer would like to impose.

I don't know about BF, or Zentropia, but my general guideline for
watching films like Jacobs Ladder, and Naked Lunch are (esp. 2nd
time seeing them) to keep in mind that you can't count on things
being real, and just go with it, and enjoy them!

>Jim
MNSsios
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Dragon Tears (Dean Koontz)
Keywords: Koontz   
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:13:11 GMT

   Just picked up, and finished, Dean Koontz' latest novel, "Dragon Tears". For
 those of you who were disappointed with his previous works, like "Cold Fire",
 or "Hideaway" ..... 


   YOU'LL BE DISAPPOINTED AGAIN! HAHAHA!

   Possible Spoilers follow:

   

   It's not as if Dragon Tears is as abysmal as Hideaway (which, I think, is Koontz'
 worst to date), it's just that I didn't enjoy reading it. The first forty or fifty
 pages are written in a style that suggests to me that the Koontzmeister is getting
 a bit tired with the genre. The writing seems a bit stilted, rushed, and boring.

   The book picks up a bit, from about pg. 100 to the end. There's quite a few good
 action scenes. The main characters, as per Koontz usual, are cops, one man and one
 woman, both reasonably stereotypical. Their mission, should they choose to accept
 it, involves a mysterious creature/dude who has told several apparently unrelated
 people "You will die by dawn". Fine. Cool. Then, the story moves into a mish-mash
 of Watchers, Phantoms, Cold Fire, Hideaway and The Bad Place. I mean, the abilities
 of the villain in this novel have been ripped off from Koontz' earlier works, and
 it's so obvious I almost groaned.

   Having thoroughly hosed the book, I'll have to say it's better than Hideaway.
 There are several quite good scenes, and one very gruesome bit that still makes
 me wince. Still, Dragon Tears isn't up to Koontz' usual standard, as in Watchers,
 or Strangers, or even The Bad Place.

   The Woodsman's suggestion: Wait for the paperback. Or pick it up at WalMart for
 $14, like I did.

   Until the next time,

				The Woodsman. 
-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu