From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
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Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:44:45 GMT
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In this issue:
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
                   Corrections/Additions to THE LIST
            GayNet Party at the March on Washington in April
                              celebration
                     GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
                            Kinsey vs. LeVay
                          The List (John Cage)
                                  WPI
            Kent State University Non-discrimination policy

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:02:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christopher B. Fox" <cf2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6

could you place a personal ad for me...can't do it from here for some
strange reason..this is to go on the alt.personals
ad to read as follows:
   To: Kennywood Park Man in search of friend from the area
        Contact was made as earlier discussed. Please contact me for
further info.

have them just respond to the user name as signed here.
thanks so much for the help.
c

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:25:09 EDT
Subject: Corrections/Additions to THE LIST

Howdy!
     I'm very appreciative to all y'all who have sent me corrections or
additions to the list of living, famous out people.  Here's a compilation of
all the corrections I've received to date, in alphabetical order:
     **  Rupert Everett did not appear in "A Room with a View."  He did
appear in "Dance with a Stranger."
     **  It's Rev. *Peter* Gomes, not John Gomes.  (P.S. to Ron Buckmire: I
heard nothing about the Harvard guy being either black or Republican.  Would
someone clear this up for us?)
     **  Raymond Leppard should be called "orchestra conductor" rather than
"classical composer."
     **  Dee Mosbacher should be called "mental health administrator and
activist" rather than just "activist."
     **  It's Minnie Bruce *Pratt*, not Platt.
     **  Adrienne Rich is a poet and critic, not a novelist.
     **  On the "not out" list, studio exec Sidney Scheinberg apparently is
straight but supportive and should not have been included.  Sorry about that.
     Also, please add the following names:
     **  Rev. Carter Heyward, lesbian Episcopal priest and writer
     **  Sheila James-Kuehl, actress (Zelda on "Dobie Gillis")
     **  Rev. Robert Williams, controversial Episcopal priest (said "Mother
Teresa ought to get laid" and that monogamy is ridiculous)

     I'll post other updates as I get them.  Version 1.1 of The List (incl.
corrections and additions) will be posted next week.
     Thanks again, y'all!

*hugs*,
Mark in Virginia

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:30:20 EDT
Subject: GayNet Party at the March on Washington in April

Howdy again!
     In that there will be several hundred GayNetters in D.C. for the March
on Washington (that's Sunday, April 25, y'all), and in that we'll probably
all be marching in different contingents, staying with different people,
etc., it'd be nice to get a number of us together at some one point over that
weekend at PAAAH-TAY!
     If you're interested--and this is simple "show of interest" time--please
write me directly at: mwh8h@virginia.edu
     Hope to hear from y'all!

*hughughug*,
MarkMarkMark in Virginia


Mark Hertzog, Militant Homosexual Agitator, University of Virginia
     "There was only seven Democrats in Hinsdale County, and you, you son
of a bitch, ate five of 'em!" --Colorado judge sentencing Alferd Packer,
ca. 1850

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Date: 14 Oct 1992 13:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: BOLDINGW@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: celebration
Mime-Version: 1.0

  Last night the Gay/Lesbian Community Center in NYC held a benefit to
  raise money.  It was held in a packed Town Hall auditorium and had
  an outstanding lineup of gay and lesbian comics and entertainers.  (I
  must admit, the lesbian comics were by far superior to the men.)  The
  evening was hosted by Joan Rivers.  Joan Rivers is an exceptionally
  supportive person who can laugh with us and not at us.  A major
  distinction.  She was very good at refering to a few closeted entertainers
  (in particular, Richard Geer).  An exceptional hostess (well gowned and
  combed by a host of gay dressers back stage).  The entertainment is
  included here so if you ever get a chance to see or hear them you will.

	Suzanne Westenhoefer (openly gay comic playing straight clubs)
	Funny Gay Males (will be openning off broadway soon)
	Dangerous Duets (singing duo - very good)
	Sara Cytron ("A Dyke Grows in
				      Brooklyn) (oops)
	Lea DeLaria ( a self described "professional lesbian")
	Daugherty & Field (singers who have been on several shows)
	The Imperial Court of New York (more hairspray than you would ever
		believe possible - dresses to make Joan moan)
	Charles Busch (actor/producer)
	Harvey Fierstein (at his raspy best)
	THE FLIRTATIONS (Outstanding singers with a message!!)
	Doug Stevens and the Outband (queer country/western - not bad to
		look at either)
	Hot Lavender Swing Band (Great big band dance music)
	Lynn Lavner (America's most politically incorrect entertainer)
	Karl G. Anderson (actor who bombed bad!!)
	Les Ballets Trockadero De Monte Carlo (impossible to describe if
		you have not heard of them.  High ballet ala drag.)
	Kate Clinton (a wonderful comic)
	Everett Quinton (actor/producer who was a real disappointment)
	New York Gay Mens Chorus (typically sensational)

  Major problem - we didn't out until midnight.  Lots of laughs, however.
  and Joan Rivers is wonderful!!!  She deserves our support as well.

			--bill

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:59:12 EDT
From: flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1

          Some comments in response to recent digests:
          The query about GCN -- yes, GCN is officially "on hiatus,"
          which is something like being in receivership. It may
          reappear but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's a real loss,
          but it is difficuly to sustain a paper forever (and GCN
          lasted for many years) on such low income and un/poorly paid
          labor. I would recommend QW (the NYC weekly), which is
          getting better all the time and, unlike, Phila Gay News,
          doesn't believe that journalistic respectibility means
          subscribing to the Associated Press (so you can read what
          ill-informed if well-intentioned [?] straight journalists
          think is happening in lesbigay-related events).

          re Mark's names list, a few questions (I probably have
          forgotten many of them, but...):
          John Cage is dead
          I believe Renaud Camus is dead
          Carl "Spitz" Channel is dead
          it's Mart Crowley (not Mort)
          to Ron Buckmire: Yes Peter Gomez came out at Harvard, as did
            Professor Barbara Johnson, thro Marjorie Garber probably
            hasn't
          Sherry Harris is the first OPEN African-American lesbian
            elected to public office (at least one or two others who
          were not open: the late Dr. ethel Allen of Phila City
          Council and, I'm sure, former Rep. Barbara Jordan)
          Jon Hinson is now a gay activist? More details, please.
          When/where did Jasper Johns come out?
          I don't believe Hanif Kureishi is openly gay (and perhaps
            not even clostedly gay)
          Ursula LeGuin?? when/where?
          Marvin Liebman is/was not Buckley's "top aide," but a
            Republican right-wing organizer and gov bureaucrat; he
            says Bill is his best friend.
          When/where did Merchant & Ivory come out publicly?
          I believe Yves Navarre is dead
          I'm pretty sure Roger Peyrefitte is dead (if not, he's
            ancient!)
          saying Ann-Imelda Radice is openly lesbian is really a
            stretch!
          Sviatoslav Richter is dead (evidence that he was openly
            gay?)
          Are Siegfried and Roy Openly Gay? (do they know they are
            comedians?)
          Evidence on Eudora Welty, please!

          that's all (enough!) for now,
          Larry Gross

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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:19:54 MST
From: "Gabriel (in New Mexico)" <G9348712@NMSUVM1.NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      Kinsey vs. LeVay

I *think* it was John Medlin who saw a contradiction between the "I was born
that way" stance and the continuum of the Kinsey scale.  I don't see any
contradiction:  It is is just as reasonable to say that "I was born a 4.5" as
it is to say "I was born a 6" -- at least it appears as reasonable to me.

Gabriel (in New Mexico)

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:54 EST
From: GANDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Re: The List (John Cage)

John Cage is, sadly, no longer a living, out gay person. He passed away a month
or two ago. John Cage is my lovers favorite musician. He took music in new
directions and challenged preconcieved notions about what made something music
J. Cheney C/O GANDERSON

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From: mortis@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stuart Wells)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:29:30 EST
Subject: WPI

>Subject: Info...?
>From: An Anonymous Sender
>For the 'laga@wpi.WPI.edu' address I noticed...

>Without sounding ignorant, what does WPI stand for, and where is it located?

WPI stands for Worcester Polytechnic Institute.  Its an engineering
college located in Worcester, MA.

>My school has no lesbain/gay support group or anything of the like, and I am
>interested in finding what possibilities lie outside of my campus.
>Some information would be sincerely appreciated. THANX!

I am unsure where your located, but we let people from outside of WPI
attend our meetings.  Clark University also has a group, and I'm sure
they would not mind someone from another school going to their group.

For anyone who missed the first add, WPI is having a Bisexual, Lesbian
and gay alliance dance on Oct 30, 1992.  Its located in Alden Hall,
a building that look like a church.  Admission is $4 dollors, $3 if
you have a valid student id and $1 off if your in costume.  The
dance will be at 8:00pm - 1:00am.

Hope to see everyone there!

Stuart Wells

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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Kent State University Non-discrimination policy
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:22:38 GMT

gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu writes:

[...]
>                           Equal Opportunity

>In academic and student programs, it is the policy of this University
>that there shall be not unlawful discrimination against any student or
>applicant for admission as a student because of race, color, religion,
>age, sex, national origin, sexual orientation, handicap, or identity as
>a disabled veteran or veteran of the Vietnam era.
[...]

If the policy only prohibits unlawful discrimination, then the policy
does nothing.

>Later in the policies, the University defines "Harrassment" as
[...]
>3.  Creates an intimidating or offensive academic, living, or working
>environment.
                                ^^^^^^^^^

Mere offensive is not harassment and should not (and, at a state
university, legally can not) be prohibited. To give university
administrators the authority to ban the "offensive" is to give them
the authority to ban freedom of expression (in general) and much
pro-gay expression (specifically).

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
academic/speech-codes.aaup
=================
* Speech Codes (AAUP)

On Freedom of Expression and Campus Speech Codes Expression - An
official statement of the American Association of University
Professors (AAUP)

It says in part: "On a campus that is free and open, no idea can be
banned or forbidden.  No viewpoint or message may be deemed so hateful
or disturbing that it may not be expressed."

=================
law/uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- UWM Post v. U Of Wisconsin

The full text of UWM POST v. U. of Wisconsin. This recent district
court ruling goes into detail about the difference between protected
offensive expression and illegal harassment. It even mentions email.

It concludes: "The founding fathers of this nation produced a
remarkable document in the Constitution but it was ratified only with
the promise of the Bill of Rights.  The First Amendment is central to
our concept of freedom.  The God-given "unalienable rights" that the
infant nation rallied to in the Declaration of Independence can be
preserved only if their application is rigorously analyzed.

The problems of bigotry and discrimination sought to be addressed here
are real and truly corrosive of the educational environment.  But
freedom of speech is almost absolute in our land and the only
restriction the fighting words doctrine can abide is that based on the
fear of violent reaction.  Content-based prohibitions such as that in
the UW Rule, however well intended, simply cannot survive the
screening which our Constitution demands."

=================
law/doe-v-u-of-michigan
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- Doe v. U of Michigan

This is Doe v. University of Michigan. In this widely referenced
decision, the district judge down struck the University's rules
against discriminatory harassment because the rules were found to be too
broad and too vague.

=================
law/rav-v-st-paul.1
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- RAV v. St Paul -- 1

The Supreme Court's _R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul_ decision about hate crimes.

The Court overturned St. Paul's Bias-Motivated Crime Ordinance, which
prohibits the display of a symbol which one knows or has reason to
know "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of
race, color, creed, religion or gender."

By 9-0, the Court said the law as overly broad. By 5-4, the Court said
that the law was also unfairly selective because it only tried to protect
some groups.

Included: summary, majority opinion, 3 concurring opinions.

=================
law/young-conservatives-v-sau
=================
* Expression -- Offensive -- Young Conservatives v. SAU

A UPI story that tells how Stephen F. Austin University originally
banned a groups "sexist" flyers, but when challenged, the ban was
lifted and a cash settlement was given to the students whose
free-speech was violated by the ban.

=================
law/cohen-v-california.1
=================
* Expression -- Offensive -- Cohen v. California -- 1

Definition of "fighting words"; why no right not to be offended

The definition of fighting words from _Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire_
and then _Cohen v. California_. Also, says quotes the Supreme Court
saying that there is no universal right to not hear offensive
expression.

=================
law/cohen-v-california.2
=================
* Expression -- Offensive -- Cohen v. California -- 2

Netnews article with reference _Cohen v. California_, "in which the
court ruled that Cohen's jacket, which stated "Fuck the Draft" was a
protected form of free speech, even though he wore it in a county
courthouse."

=================
law/cohen-v-california.3
=================
* Expression -- Offensive -- Cohen v. California -- 3

Here are excerpts from several Supreme Court decisions inclusing
_Cohen v. Calfiornia_. They say that offensive public expression is
protected if those offended can "effectively avoid further bombardment
of their sensibilities simply by averting their eyes."

=================
=================

If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
   gopher gopher.eff.org

These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/academic/speech-codes.aaup
  pub/academic/law/uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
  pub/academic/law/doe-v-u-of-michigan
  pub/academic/law/rav-v-st-paul.1
  pub/academic/law/young-conservatives-v-sau
  pub/academic/law/cohen-v-california.1
  pub/academic/law/cohen-v-california.2
  pub/academic/law/cohen-v-california.3

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/academic speech-codes.aaup
send acad-freedom/law uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
send acad-freedom/law doe-v-u-of-michigan
send acad-freedom/law rav-v-st-paul.1
send acad-freedom/law young-conservatives-v-sau
send acad-freedom/law cohen-v-california.1
send acad-freedom/law cohen-v-california.2
send acad-freedom/law cohen-v-california.3


-
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =

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Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:49:35 -0800
From: ASJR@acad2.alaska.edu
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Hop-Count: 2

Subject: March on Washington Update
From: Jaime Rodriguez, asjr@alaska.bitnet.edu
Date: Oct. 10, 1992, 17:15:00 ADT

Plans for the largest civil rights demonstration in the herstory of the United
States gained momentum as the National Steering Committee  for the 1993 March
on Washington for Lesbian, Gay & Bi Equal Rights and Liberation met in Denver,
CO. Oct. 2-4, 1992.

The meetings began on an emotional high with declarations of support from the
mayor of Denver, two Colorado State legislators and a letter from a Colorado
Federal representative.  On Saturday, a man from Australia representing over 30
coalition groups informed the NSC that when the March occurs in April,
Australian queer activists will be marching on the U.S. Consulate in Sydney,
demanding rights for their American brothers and sisters.

Actions taken by the NSC included final approval of the platform, election of
two executive committee members, Barabara Dinnersteen and Nichole
Ramirez-Murray, fundraising and outreach training.  The civil
disobedience/direct action work group announced plans for a massive
demonstration at Congress focussing on health care issues.

A moment of silence was observed for Hattie Mae Cohens, 29, and Brian Mack, 45,
victims of a white supremacist fire-bombing in Salem, Ore. and for four gay men
murdered in Denver during the past two weeks.

Work continues with celebrity outreach, event planning, and corporate sponsor
negotiations. Christopher Ciccione, Maddonna's brother, is designing the main
stage.  The first national advertising appears in the 25th Anniversary edition
of The Advocate.  Unexpected endorsement appears in a subscription insert for
the current edition of Outlook.

Fundraising is still a main area of concern.  The portable toilets alone will
cost over $80,000.  The total cost for the March is estimated at approximately
$750,000.  Donations can be sent to the national office at P.O. Box 34607,
Washington D.C., 20043-4607.  To find out about your local organizers, travel
and accomodations, and a calender of related events, call toll free
1-800-832-2889.
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As the story was told to me,  Brian Mack was bashed by a gang of white
supremacists a little over two weeks ago.  His roomate, Hattie Mae Cohens,
unsatisfied with the police response, complained to two of her friends, a
heterosexual couple who happened to be members of the Crips. The initial police
report claimed the whole incident was gang war related. This was the
connection.  Anyway,  The couple sought out the gang, and bashed back.  Several
days later,  the supremacists and the couple and Mack & Cohens all fought
outside the Cohens/Mack apartment.  The police broke up the fight.  The next
day, the fire bombing occured, killing Mack and Cohens, and putting the couple
into the hospital.  The police are/were claiming that the bomb was meant for
the couple,  and are down playing the nature of the hate crime.

Also,  the MCC church in Portland, OR has evidently been burned down.  Does
anyone know more about this?

Skinheads were arrested in an Anchorage high-school earlier this week during a
brawl caused by racism.

There has also been a lot of stuff on gaynet about Oregon's proposition 9.
Don't forget that Colorado is facing proposition 2.  Whoopi Goldberg wrote a
terrific letter asking people to help fight both propositions.  Thanks Whoopi!

We had a great NCOD in Anchorage.  At UAA we used tempera paint on the windows
of the main entrance to the campus center and put up the Keith Haring Coming
Out Day painting,  The March on Washington Logo, a rainbow flag,  and the
following slogans..."HATE IS NOT A FAMILY VALUE"  "We're Here, we're queer,
we're fabulous!" and "Silence=Death, Action=Life."  Our handiwork will be up
all week.  One christian fundamentalist was overheard to say, "We don't get to
do that."  Some one then countered, "Have you asked?"  Peace y'all!



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