Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: K-Mark Hostages
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:24:30 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: lorena

In article <1992Sep9.230821.20178@u.washington.edu>, hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress) writes:
> I wrote:
>    "A man distragught over losing his
>    wife and kids to a divorce is charged
>    with 25 counts of hostage taking."
> 
> Daniel H. replied:
>    "Someone this unstable shouldn't be trusted with kids."
> 
> Think about it. HE LOST HIS KIDS.
> HE LOST HIS RIGHT TO NOT WORK.
> ALL "HIS" FUTURE MONEY GOES TO HIS EX.
> 
> The news just dismisses him as mad.
> The news does not explain that society
> caused his problems.
-- 

  Now, I don't condone criminal acts. but I have to agree with the second
poster. 

  Men were raised with the following promise. All we had to do was educate
ourselves, build a career, and we could expect a long life sharing with
our families.

  In case after case, men have been relegated to the status of "walking cash
machine" and denied access to their families by women who feel totally
justified in the "by any means possible" mentality. These men have been
denied access to their families through false sexual allegations and other
lies tolerated by a public and court system which assumes that men are not
only inferior parents, but somehow deserving of such treatment as a class.

  One case I met here in Los Angeles involves a man who was falsely
accused of sexual abuse of his children, and despite supportive testimony
from his neighbors was convicted on one count out of 16. But since he
had child support payments to make the judge did not send him to jail, but
placed him under house/work arrest. He wears an eletronic bracelet, and
is allowed only to go to work and to return home. He even
requires special permission of the court to attend meetings
of local men's groups.

  I don't care what the legal justification claims, this is outright slavery,
and slavery is something we fought a very long and bloody war about.

  This society has broken faith with every man who has worked within the
system, fueled industry with his sweat, and fed wars with his blood.
The promise of a good life shared with a family has been taken from him
through political reression, and he finds himself criminalized as a class;
trying to work within a court system and a media environment which assumes that
he, because he is male, punishment is acceptible because he simply MUST 
be guilty of something.

  Like I said. I do not condone criminal acts. But I can see quite easily
why these men may feel they've run out of choices, and that society has 
taken their labor only to ignore their needs and interests. That's political 
repression, and no society that survives by the political repression of 
a subgroup survives very long. It didn't work in Rome. It didn't work 
in Germany. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. Why on EARTH do the 
feminists think it will work here?


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