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From: dsrekjk@prism.gatech.EDU ( Jon Kincaid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Notes on latest Center Stage taping
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:12:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Here is some of what I remember from the Center Stage taping from Monday
night for shows to air on 8/1 and 8/8:
First, dark matches (tryouts probably) were worked by Catman Garrett (from
USWA) and the Stormtrooper (Helmut Hessler from South Atlantic Pro Wrestling).
also, Convict Snake from North Georgia worked as a jobber in a tag match.
JYD and The Big Cat (Curtis Hughes) wrestled as a tag team. Hughes makes the
Dog look absolutely svelte in his red tights. I think this match is to be
on the August 8th show.
Ricky Steamboat "won" the TV title when he used brass knucks on Steve Austin
(Paul E. tossed them in). Upon seeing the knucks, the referee reversed the
decision.
Cactus Jack interviewed and said that Vader owed him a title shot. Rick Rude
also interviewed demanding a title shot. Apparentlt everyone (short of ring
announcer Tony Gillem) will be after Van. Several groups (ourselves included,
natch) chanted "We Want Vader" throughout the night. A touching moment for
myself was seeing a small child shouting "We hate Sting" :-)
Larry Zybysko had his arm "injured" in a tag match where his partner was Pillman,
the opponents were Arn/Bobby Eaton and the top rope rule was waved.
Danny Spivey won over a jobber with a submission hold (guess they're tired of
his hurting jobbers with missed powerbombs, though I wonder if they'll have
Vader lay off the powerbomb since he appeared to hurt a jobber with one on
Monday.)

little moondog jon
help brian christopher help the homeless

-- 
"Don't move him, he's hemmorhaging"- Gordon Solie, 1981, on Ted Dibiase
being piledriven multiple times by Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy.
dsrekjk@prism.gatech.edu is jon kincaid
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: WBF defunct
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:10:40 GMT
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In <64250@hydra.gatech.EDU> spr@prism.gatech.EDU (Stefan Roth) writes:


+>This gives the Weiders a strangle hold on pro bodybuilding again. I think I
+>prefer that than let Vince destroy the sport. Since Weider said that anyone
+>jumping to the WBF would never work for the IFBB again, I wonder what people
+>like Strydom, DeMey, etc are going to do in terms of entering pro contests.

	Your giving the Weiders too much credit.  They will not have the
slightest loyalty to any of the people who stayed with them and will probably
use the death of the WBF as an opportunity to cut everyone's wages.

	The Weiders now have a whole group of top people in the sport
who are unemployed and who are going to start getting hungry.  Weider
will almost certanly play them off against those who stayed (i.e. hire
the best back at lower pay and renegotiate/"get rid of" his loyal 
(but now surplus) talent.

	The only fear in the death of the WBF is that it clears the way
for the Weiders to pursue their dream of making bodybuilding an olympic
sport again.
From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Weekend Syndies WHIFF and WCW
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:26:07 GMT
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <3487@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> prpst2+@pitt.edu (Paul R Perdeus) writes:

A response for Apall R Perfuse: ;) ;) ;)

>Is it possible to cut down on the dyslexic name manipulations?  I find
>them very annoying.

Then don't read them, jerkoff.  I find them entertaining.

>See above.
>*YAWN*  See above.

Intelligent, isn't he?  Not only does he get annoyed, he continues to
read them and respond to them.  Killfile me then.  I won't miss your
porous and insipid comments.

>>Liger vs. Armstrong wasn't too bad if it weren't for all the mat wrestling.
>>No moonsaults.  I guess Liger only shows off during PPVs?

>Excuse me?  I must have seen a different match.  I thought this was one
>of the LAMEST most boring name vs. name matches I have ever seen!  The
>World's Light Heavyweight Champion vs. probably the best light
>heavyweight in the world and this is what we get?  Boring....  If

[Insert condescending chuckle here.]
What are you talking about?  I've gotta say "see below" on this one.

>>Am I the only guy who thinks that only 15% of WWF's 2 hr. All-American
>>Wrestling syndie is watchable?  Why would I want to latch into a PPV if
>>there are no good matches to watch on a syndie?
>
>Yes, you are.
>The reason you get a PPV is BECAUSE they are better than the syndies.

But syndies are the promotional tool for house shows and PPVs.  If we
see no heat, no good matches, and no wrestling ability, are we going
to take the risk of plunking down $30 to see something that might or
might not be watchable?

Didn't you just say that Liger vs Armstrong was boring?  You just answered
your own question.  I did write that Liger only wanted to work PPVs hard,
but you obviously didn't see that.

Gee lots of wrestling-related material here.

>>I'm confused. 
>Obviously.

Not.  You are a confused individual.  You read an entire post that you
don't like and respond in a way that will only get a negative response.
If you don't like my posts, put me in your kill file.  Otherwise, you
should go copulate with a fire-ant nest.

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  _|    ________      "I think it was his eye, cold and blue like a vulture's."
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Subject: Re: Time to change?
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 20 Jul 1992 15:24:45 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

The Changes in wrestling I see in the Future:1. Higher pay and greater exposure for rookie wrestlers to attract
new, younger talent.  Don't have to pay "jobber dues" before getting
a big push.  See if a few of these guys start going into the action-
movie biz like the kickboxers have started doing.
 
  2. An either/or thing:
     A.) More syndie shows, with only a couple of big PPV per-year.
No more Clash type shows.  Fewer house shows, and these very small.
     B.) Increase in big house shows, maybe once a month.  Shown on
PPV for those not in the immediate area.  Syndies fade out.  The
wrestling feds. become nomadic.  Arrive in town, set up for onehuge
show with everyone they show there, then show up a month later in
another city.  This would also be good for recruiting young talent:
less time on the road, more time with family.
 
  3. Expect to see less angles and increased violence.  Bonuses for
taking hard shots/juicing.  Will have to become more *real* now that
so many of the kids of the 80's have grown up and gotten into the
Van Damme movies.  This could continue until a new generation of kids
get into wrestling.  Then the angles will come back.
 
  4. A greater emphasis upon good-looking wrestlers.  The fitness craze
means people won't want to see fat or non-muscular wrestlers, despite
their skills.  Expect to see more and more body-builder types getting
into wrestling, both as jobbers and as stars.  It's happening already,
check out the physiques on many WCW & WWF jobbers: often-times they
are in better shape than the star wrestler.  These are the ones who will
start getting pushed sooner and sooner.
 
Hey, big *IMO* here!  Please keep this on the net, thanks.
 
Sundog
 
=========================================================================
Universal Citizen.  Ultra Knight.  Snow Master.  Bladesman.  Bodybuilder.
=========================================================================
my short sig.
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From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: WBF folds
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:41:16 GMT



Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: WBF Folds!
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:02:32 GMT

My buddy Ron just got back from Golds @ Venice. The
word is that the WBF has folded. Their magazine is dead too.
McMahaon will keep a few of the best guys on contract to
advertize supplements in his WWF mags.

So, bid farewell to the WBF----couldn't be too soon, based
on their last show. They only sold 1000 pay per view subscriptions
to that show, too.

[misc  deletia]
--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)

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Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: fout@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Fout - RMS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: What's Luger's Deal?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: fout@achilles.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: RMS



What's up with Luger?  Why isn't he wrestling?  Is he going to?
From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: El Gigante In The WWF (was: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   07/23)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:47:15 GMT
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Candy Guru) says:

>In article <Brv0xt.2tI@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, hekunze@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) writes:
>
>>  - It's been rumoured that El Gigante will be teamed with Andre The Giant
>>    in the WWF.  They better have cool entrance music because it will be
>>    the slowest entrance for any tag team.
>
>Yeesh.  Hopefully they'll name this team "Big and Dumb".  You can decide for
>yourself which is which.

Oh Boy.  We now will have two guys walking around saying: "I WANT DE
BELT!!!"

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: is High Energy gone?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:55:24 GMT

I haven't seen many WWF shows recently.  I've noticed that High
Energy and the Nasty Boys aren't being discussed much in this group.
Are both these teams still performing in the WWF?

Has there been any indication that Money, Inc. will split up now
that they've lost the titles?

Tom
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Who Will Be Rocko and Baklund Sells Out (Was Re: Wrestling TidBits)
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>> Scary Thought of The Week: El Gigante as Rocko.
> 
>Actually, I heard from George Emmons (yet another Buffalo poster) that
>Bob Backlound would be Rocko. Why not? Backlund and the dummy have equal
>personalities! :)
> 
>The only problem I see with this is Backlund selling out to Vince. Then 
>again, so did Atlas, Race, Santana, Jacques Rougeau...
> 
>--Don


    Actually, I (yet another Buffalo poster myself) heard that Backlund was
indeed intended to be the human incarnation of the LOD puppet.  Everyone has
been calling the guy "Howdy Doody" for the last decade and a half anyway, so
Vince got LOD a "Howdy Doody"-looking puppet and had intended to involve a
human version of the dummy (i.e Backlund) in a title win for LOD.  However,
McMahon aborted this angle for reasons that I'm not quite sure of, and Backlund
was axed as the puppet.  Now, there may still be a human version of the
puppet, but it's pretty clear at this point that it won't be Backlund.  If
anything, Rocko looks as much like Vince McMahon himself as anybody else I can
think of, although Gigante certainly is a candidate.  I had orignally thought
McMahon would make the puppet a caricature of some WCW higher-up as a stab at
the competition, but I can't see that this is the case, unless he's really
stretching it.
    As for Backlund selling out, no problem there.  He's already sold out
simply by signing with the WWF.  After Hogan won the WWF belt from Hossein
Viziri, Vince asked Backlund to dye his hair jet-black and play the heel to
set up a feud with Hogan.  Backlund refused, lamentng that he "was not gonna
act like a fool" (isn't acting like a fool synonymous with being in the WWF 
to begin with?) and that he didn't want his children "to be ashamed of him"
(this isn't an angle, he actually said this).  He said McMahon was ruining the
sport and he would never take part in such a travesty.  Having said this, it
would be my contention that Backlund has completely sold out just by putting
his name on a WWF contract.  I always liked Backlund and I think it's a shame
he's working for Vince again, especially after his past comments.

************************************************  "Bowling isn't a sport,
Eric M. Chmiel**********************************   it's a disease."
************************************************       -Gov. Jerry Brown
From: Scott.Simpson@f904.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: El Gigante In The WWF (was: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   07/23)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:56:15 GMT


 > A pretty good example
 > of his being able to talk is seen in the film "I like
 > to hurt people",
 > a film about the Sheik. It is very sad to see him

Have you seen this movie?  I recall that the only words he says in this film are "Are you talking to Andre?"

                  >> SDSimpson
                  scott.simpson@f904.n250.z1.fidonet.org
                  or Scott's Basement BBS @ Fido 1:250/904
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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Re: Time to change?                     
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:23:52 +0000

In article <92202.152445JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
writes:
>  3. Expect to see less angles and increased violence.  Bonuses for
>taking hard shots/juicing.  Will have to become more *real* now that
>so many of the kids of the 80's have grown up and gotten into the
>Van Damme movies.  This could continue until a new generation of kids
>get into wrestling.  Then the angles will come back.

 Maybe they'll get rid of the ring. No Holds Barred (I watched it. I have *no
shame*.) had that "Battle Of The Tough Guys"(or similar) show that had fights
staged in sets. I think that might be an interesting way to go, though I
wouldn't like to see the death of conventional wrestling. Half the fun is
seeing what they can produce within the fairly rigid rules they set
themselves.

                                               John.

*********************************************************************
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From: prpst2+@pitt.edu (Paul R Perdeus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Weekend Syndies WHIFF and WCW
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:52:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul21.143637.3629@midway.uchicago.edu> wen5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Random, Incomplete Musings:
>
>Like 5 hr sex without orgasm.

I wouldn't know how that is.  :)

>
>Slackjaw Dim Fuggan is terrible.  
>

Is it possible to cut down on the dyslexic name manipulations?  I find
them very annoying.

>
>Snailz is stupid.  Somebody drop him down an elevator shaft.
>

See above.

>Liked the result of the Bevs vs. Flatulent Fatster match if not the

*YAWN*  See above.

>
>Liger vs. Armstrong wasn't too bad if it weren't for all the mat wrestling.
>No moonsaults.  I guess Liger only shows off during PPVs?

Excuse me?  I must have seen a different match.  I thought this was one
of the LAMEST most boring name vs. name matches I have ever seen!  The
World's Light Heavyweight Champion vs. probably the best light
heavyweight in the world and this is what we get?  Boring....  If
you have it on tape listen to the crowd during this one.  No cheers,
no boos, nothing.  It's like everyone is carrying on a conversation with
the person next to them.  And the "1 minute left in the match, etc.,
etc,. " is pretty annoying in itself.  Has ANYONE EVER won one of those
matches (where they count down the last 10 seconds)?

>
>Am I the only guy who thinks that only 15% of WWF's 2 hr. All-American
>Wrestling syndie is watchable?  Why would I want to latch into a PPV if
>there are no good matches to watch on a syndie?
>

Yes, you are.

The reason you get a PPV is BECAUSE they are better than the syndies.

>
>Who is the last truly masked wrestler to win the WCW HW or WWF title?
>Wrestlers like Mr. R., Yellow Dog, Black Scorpion, etc do not count.
>

No 'truly' masked wrestler has held the WWF or WCW/NWA world titles.

>I'm confused. 

Obviously.
From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: where are they now?
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3

In article <1992Jul21.034352.6748@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, bulls@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (debra.s.martis) writes...
> 
[results from PWI Weekly deleted]
>
>See these mark mags are good for something once and awhile!!!

Actually, the same people who send reports to Craig Peters for inclusion
in these magazines also send them to sheet editors, so you can save
yourself a lot of ridicule and maybe even some money and read a few good
sheets instead.  Who knows, you just might possibly end up learning
something, which is not very likely with the PWI family.

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From: grotter@pilot.njin.net (grotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Ramblings
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:41:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

As far as I know (according to Meltzer), neither Kerry Von Erich nor
Marty Jeanetty are working for the WWF anymore.  Infact, Janetty,
hasn't worked for the WWF in months...

As for Hogan, he has been filming a movie "Tough Guys" or something to
that effect.  Anyhow, I saw a picture of him to.  He looks absolutly
bolimic, and there is NO doubt now that he is off 'roids.


--Eph
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What's Luger's Deal?
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:55:35 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1992Jul27.202400.2467@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> fout@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Fout - RMS) writes:

+>What's up with Luger?  Why isn't he wrestling?  Is he going to?

	Lugar quit WCW to go work for the WWF.  His contract says that
he can't wrestle for any promotion for a while yet and so he is 
sidelined.  
	He was working for the WWF-related bodybuilding promotion, the WBF
but now that the WBF has folded he is looking at a long period of 
inactivity.
From: roddy@piprpit.UUCP (Keith M. Skar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: testing
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: piprpit.XX00000083
Reply-To: roddy@piprpit.uucp
Organization: Piper's Pit

Sorry everybody...but this is just basically a test....

But while Im here...I was also surprised to hear Bret Hart
say that Davy Boy was his brother-in-law.  Now it seems
like they are going to promote this match as a family feud...
And why do I expect to see BBD's wife and Bret get into
a sibling squabble.
From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Chrispy WVR: The 1st Rec.sport.pro-wrestling video
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: chrispy@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu


Hello netters!  If the title of today's review looks funny, don't worry.
This is my official review of Herb Kunze's video, which many of you have
either seen already or are waiting on the queue for.

This tape is wall to wall excitement.  Cliche, I know, but it fits Herb's
tape very well.

Highlights include the womens tag match that Herb voted last year's match
of the year.  Esther Moreno is incredible, and when all four ladies jump
from the top turnbuckle to the floor at various times through the match,
you'll be in awe.

Jushin Riger vs. Naoki Sano will open your eyes.  These matches are non-stop
action.  You will see moves so exciting you'll cry when you realize what
you've been missing.

Even Cactus Jack was above form in his brutal 3 fall match with Eddie Gilbert.
I don't want to give away specifics, just don't miss this one if you're a fan
of violent, bloody matches.

There are too many good matches to list in this review.  This tape is a 
keeper, and I have no regrets with buying it.  Since this is the first tape
in my just-started wrestling video collection, I know it will be a difficult
tape to beat.

However, let it be known that Herb was telling the truth about the video
quality.  At times, it helps to have a 4 head VCR when viewing this.  The
matches are so rare and have been traded by collectors so much that a few
of the matches are tough to watch.  However, Herb's grading system of the
video quality is accurate, and no match is totally unwatchable.

Overall, I'm proud to own this tape, and I think you will too.

MATCHES GRADE: A
VIDEO QUALITY GRADE: B

OVERALL GRADE: A

More reviews to come...

Hey collectors!  Willing to copy old PPVs for a new collector?
Will cover expenses and a little extra for your troubles...
E-mail me if you can help...

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               - Wrestlemania 8, 1992
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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Subject: Re: Worcester, MA taping report (*SPOILERS*)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:35:35 GMT


In a previous article, pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Candy Guru) says:

>In article <BrtI20.2wH@ais.org>, hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik) writes:
>
>> Bret Hart squash, Papa Shango appears at ringside, chants, leaves.
>
>Excuse me?  Papa Shango?  In the middle of a war with UW?  Oh, wait... that's
>over, isn't it?  But against Bret Hart?  Sorry, no... I see a Shango upset of
>Hart for the I-C title sometime in the not too distant future.

Actually, Shango is putting the dreaded WCW curse on him.  Anyone who
considers jumping is forced to act ridiculous...

(Who knows?  Maybe Rocko is Vince's punishment for LOD)

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