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From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Canadian email Addresses Requested, RE: 1993 Nationals
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:45:20 GMT

I send out this request before, cancelled the first article, and reposted 
under the same title. From the spool space here it looks like the article
was cancelled by title, also as I have received only one response
(thanks Stuart) I am repeating myself. 

Anyone with a Canadian email address interested in being a contact for
communication regarding next years Nationals? Canadian Nationals 1993
will be held in Ottawa.

You would be asked to take emailed information and distribute it to members
of your local disc community. I don't know exactly what will be presented
but we would like some input from the nation as to tournament format,
seeding and other parameters. It is felt that email contact may be quicker
and slightly more personal than bulk mailouts. The local contact would be
responsible for taking the local preference and view points and communicating
them back to Ottawa.

Tournament details will still be mailed to captains and players. We should
be getting the addresses as used for this year in Vancouver to start with.

So if you are interested send me mail. I would like to know if you play
on a national level team as well as any connection to your local disc 
organization. I will probably end up making a mailing list for this.

Our first organizational meeting is Monday, August 31st.

Thanks.
Richard Griffih.
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Worlds Results...???
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:45:16 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

euaphe@eua.ericsson.se (Peter Henriksson) writes:
>trills@matai.vuw.ac.nz writes:

>>  SO WHO WON??????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Men's division. Sweden beat Canada in the Finals.
>Women's division. Japan beat Sweden in the Finals !!!

masters': usa over germany (if only we had some subs)
guts': usa over japan

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
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From: gordon@cs.uwa.oz.au (Gordon Royle)
Subject: Statistics
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:52:14 GMT

In my opinion the statistics are meaningless in Australian Rules.

It seems to be an attempt to quantify a game, like baseball and 
American football can be quantified.

Trouble is, it just doesn't work.

Firstly, the statistics are usually very even - for example at the
end of the first quarter of the WCE/Carlton game, the stats were almost
the same, but the score was 30 points+ in the Eagles favour....

Secondly, statistics like "number of handpasses" count equally a
constructive drive downfield and a desperate scramble deep in defence
where lots of useless handpasses are made. Similarly for kicks etc.

Cheers

Gordon
From: GNM@buc.edu.au (Geoff Maher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: eAGLES
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:42:00 GMT
Organization: Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.8.10

I HOPE THE EALGES GET ABSOLUTELY SHAT ON. WE (CARLTON) +WERE ROBBED LAST WEEK
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From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Finals Venues (was Re: AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992)
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:54:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.175903.89921@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
> The finals for next week are still not all set. The possible games are:
>
>   Qualifying final (1 v. 2)
>                Geelong v. Footscray
>
>   1st Elimination final (3 v. 6)
>                Collingwood v. Hawthorn   (if Carlton defeats West Coast)
>                            OR
>                Collingwood v. St.Kilda   (if West Coast defeats Carlton)
>
>   2nd Elimination final (4 v. 5)
>                Carlton v. West Coast *   (if Carlton defeats West Coast)
>                            OR
>                West Coast v. Hawthorn ** (if West Coast defeats Carlton)
>
> *  - in Melbourne
> ** - in Perth

	I'll go one better, and try to predict the venues as well:

If West Coast wins (Carlton loses):
	Qualifying final (1 v 2)
		Geelong v Footscray (AFL Park, Saturday)

	1st Elimination final (3 v 6)
		Collingwood v St Kilda (MCG, Sunday)

	2nd Elimination final (4 v 5)
		West Coast v Hawthorn (Subiaco, Sunday)

If West Coast loses (Carlton wins):
	Qualifying final (1 v 2)
		Geelong v Footscray (MCG, Sunday) 

	1st Elimination final (3 v 6)
		Collingwood v Hawthorn (MCG, Saturday)

	2nd Elimination final (4 v 5)
		Carlton v West Coast (AFL Park, Saturday)


Disclaimer: The venues and days are predictions. The selections are based on
potential crowd drawing power, no night final, and that AFL Park won't host
a Sunday game (only the MCG will).

				Ian
 

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From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: What magazines cover the AFL?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:06:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep1.172057.15281@u.washington.edu> quendor@milton.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:
>
>What magazines/newspapers/books cover the AFL? And more importantly to me,
>are they availiable in the US and where?
>
>                Thanks in advance from a man stuck in Prime Sports-land,


I think INSIDE FOOTBALL, a weekly newspaper-type football
publication, has an overseas subscriptio rate.  Anyone in Melbourne
with a copy of the publication care to illuminate us on the
subsription schedule?



Thank You.


Tom Marvan.
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From: haines@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Andrew Haines, Civil, 1/113)
Subject: Finals experience (was Re: some winners, some losers...)
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:44:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.085120.15398@cs.su.oz.au> tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:

[previous discussion deleted]
>	There are three tiers of Finals Experience, first team in each
>	tier the most exp.
>
>	1. Haw, WCE
>	2. Geel, Coll (both have missed in last 2 years)
>	3. St K, Foots
>
>	tom

How about we get specific.  Anyone want to help me fill in the table below?

		No. of Finals games played/won:

TEAM		Last year	Last 5 years	Last 10 years

Geelong		3/1		7/3		?
Footscray					?
Collingwood			?		?
West Coast	4/2		?
Hawthorn	3/3		?		? (Too bloody many! :^)
St.Kilda	1/0		?		?

And as for my tips for this years finals: I don't know!  The only 
team in the finals that hasn't had a bad loss in recent weeks is Hawthorn, 
and even they had a bit of a fright against Melbourne.  Each team has got to 
get it all together NOW - and I believe finals experience will play a big 
part in that.  Whichever team does it best will win the flag.

Of course I hope that:

GO CATS!!!    GO ALL THE WAY!    GO CATS!!!

Andrew Haines                       \ "You're all individuals!"
Computer Systems Officer              \ "WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS!"
Monash University, Melbourne, Australia \ "I'm not!" Monty Python:Life of Brian
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From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Carlton unlucky?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:14:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



I see the Blues missed the final six despite winning a very
creditable 14 games this season.  When was the last time a team has
has won so many games yet missed the finals?  How often has it
happened in the history of league football?  


I'd venture to say it could not have happened too often since the
1970's (since the final five was introduced).


It's interesting to ponder the implications of a team with so many
wins missing out in the final six.  What is the explanation?
Perhaps Carlton's healthy amount of wins reflects a growing gap
between the top and lower sides.  Or maybe instead it shows a
greater parity developing between the highest teams.  After all, the
Hawks and Saints finished with the same number of wins as Carlton
(despite each losing to the Blues twice in the season), but
qualified on percentage.  (The Blues' losses to teams like Fitzroy
ans Richmond - and, I think North - cost them dearly).




Tom Marvan.
From: s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Beanie Boy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Finals Venues (was Re: AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:18:54 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

sloan@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan) writes:

>The most likely reason for these venue allocations is that Waverley will 
>probably be able to accommodate more 'general' supporters (i.e. season 
>ticket holders & the public) than the MCG! Most of the MCG will be taken by 
>AFL members, corporate execs, etc.

This is true. Tony Peek (AFL communications) said exactly that on 3AW
after the WC/CARLTON game.

Matt.
From: george@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (George Galindo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Grandfinal Live in US
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:38:12 GMT
Organization: IDIOTS ARE US...

For those in the States that are interested, the Grand Final is once again
going to be carried live this year by Prime Sports Network.  I saw an
advertisement for it thru the regional sports channel (Home Sports Entertain-
ment), and they announced that it was once again going to be carried live
in the states.

George
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Madden and Daniher
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:39:13 GMT
Keywords: thankyou

	Thankyou Kevin Sheedy and EFC for selecting these
	two champion players for the final round.
	IMHO there was no choice - Essendon will lift and (hopefully)
	pulverise the Cats....
	Could be a great game, either way.

	go dons

	tom

	ps channel 7 PLEASE put it on tele in Sydney


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From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Re: Carlton unlucky?
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:30:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.095402.89972@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> ugoni@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>In article <37555@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> I see the Blues missed the final six despite winning a very
>> creditable 14 games this season.  When was the last time a team has
>> has won so many games yet missed the finals?  How often has it
>> happened in the history of league football?  
>> 
>> It's interesting to ponder the implications of a team with so many
>> wins missing out in the final six.  What is the explanation?
>> Perhaps Carlton's healthy amount of wins reflects a growing gap
>> between the top and lower sides.  Or maybe instead it shows a
>> greater parity developing between the highest teams.  After all, the
>> Hawks and Saints finished with the same number of wins as Carlton
>> (despite each losing to the Blues twice in the season), but
>> qualified on percentage.  (The Blues' losses to teams like Fitzroy
>> ans Richmond - and, I think North - cost them dearly).
>
>Errrrrr....I could be wrong Tom, but North beat all the teams that finished
>below it, and Fitzroy and Carlton...can someone verify that.

	You're wrong. North beat Richmond (twice), Sydney Swans (twice),
Brisbane, Essendon and Fitzroy. So much for the team of the 90's! Ah well,
maybe a new coach might do something with the talent at the club.

				Ian



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Dept. of Electrical Engineering, | CITRI (Work) : ianr@godzilla.cgl.citri.edu.au
 (including Computer Science)    | Home (Play) :  ianr@gpark.pub.uu.oz.au 
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From: pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: Re: The Eagles---Premiers 1992
Keywords: Eagles for Champions
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:45:57 GMT

chandran@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Arvind Chandran) writes:

>To all you Victorian football team supporters (especially Hawthorn, St .Kilda
>Footscray, Geelong and Collingwood)...The Eagles are ready and raring to
>go...It would be one of the best things in football if the Eagles took
>the premiership cup and stuck it right up the Victorian Public and Joan
>Kirner

>                        Good, Better, Best
>                        The Eagles Will Never Rest
>                        Until We've Passed the Test
>                        And the Flag is in the West 
>  
>                                   AC

>                  
>--

It would probably fit up joan kirner too.
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From: quendor@milton.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell)
Subject: What magazines cover the AFL?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:20:57 GMT


What magazines/newspapers/books cover the AFL? And more importantly to me,
are they availiable in the US and where?

                Thanks in advance from a man stuck in Prime Sports-land,

                             Don Sowell
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: DAMNABLE PERCENTAGE
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:38:47 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Head-to-head is indeed the first tiebreak in American football.
This is followed by several inapplicable ones (divisions, etc.)
Here is my suggestion:
1. Head-to-head (in a multiple tie, points-per-game against others in the tie)
2. Points in away games
3. Strength of schedule (total points of teams met twice)
4. Percentage

As an example of #1, a triple tie has occurred among the Magpies, West Coast,
and Sydney (can't let it be too realistic). Coll'wood defeated the Eagles
twice; WC took a win and a draw from Sydney; and the Swans vanquished the Pies
in a lone encounter.
Coll'wood:   8 pts/3 gms=2.67
West Coast:  6 pts/4 gms=1.50
Syd. Swans:  6 pts/3 gms=2.00
Thus, Collingwood finishes first in the group, Sydney second, and WC 3rd.

In #2, a problem arises:  How do you count neutral-site games? These fall into
two classes: AFL Park games (so they finally changed the name?) and Tasmania
games (please correct if I am wrong). At AFL Park, my suggestion is: Melbourne
sides are home except against other Melbourne sides; interstate (non-Vic) sides 
are away, again except v. each other.  Two Melbs or two inters are neutral; and
the Cats would be home against interstates and away to Melbournes
Tasmania games would always be neutral.
The actual count would be all points in away games and 1/2 those from
neutral-site games (which reminds me: Is it ever possible to have an odd # of
points?)

Andy Lipscomb			lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
"a new force in VFL football, the Fitzroy Bulldogs"--Ross Oakley
(*almost* as bad an idea as the '91 finals set-up)
Go Magpies!
From: moc@bdrc.bd.com (Michael A. OConnell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: TV times in the US
Keywords: TV USA
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:05:23 GMT
Organization: Becton Dickinson Rsrch Cntr, RTP, NC

I just found this news service..
Can someone tell me when the Aussie football is on US TV???
I heard it was was on home team sports (HTS) channel
but don't seem to be able to find it.

thanks a lot,

Michael

go melbourne!-- 
  moc@bdrc.bd.com
   ...waveman...
From: john@pyrmania.pyramid.com.au (John Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: "Does the Rover Snap Behinds?"
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:14:08 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Perth, Western Australia

In article <pete.715518941@marsh> pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:
>Anthony Waller <P85014@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>>  My parents sent me this article from "The Age" of 22 August.
>>Reprinted without permission.
>
>> [ Article deleted .... ]
>
>what a dill.


Not to speak of the dill who included the whole article in his post to include
a one-line comment.
This is very much a pet peeve of mine. Don't some of you out there know how
to use editors ? For that matter do you really think at all about what
you're posting ?

ObFooty: Carn the Hawks!

John.

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From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: AFL Scores for round 23
Date: 24 Aug 92 10:49:34 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Scores for Round 23
-------------------

Hello once again. Well, the scores for round 23 matches are as follows:

        Collingwood 15.12 (102) defeated Carlton 12.14 (86)

        Essendon 20.19 (139) defeated N. Melbourne 10.11 (71)

        Fitzroy 20.13 (133) defeated Richmond 14.14 (98)

        Brisbane 19.15 (129) defeated Sydney 9.16 (70)

        St.Kilda 8.10 (58) defeated Melbourne 6.7 (43)

        Footscray 7.11 (53) defeated West Coast 3.5 (23)

        Adelaide 24.25 (169) defeated Geelong 11.12 (78)


 The top seven positions on the ladder are:

                      P  Pts     %
        Geelong      21   60   144.8
        Footscray    21   60   127.8
        Collingwood  21   60   115.3
        West Coast   21   58   125.3
        Carlton      21   56   114.7
        St.Kilda     22   56   120.1
        ----------------------------------
        Hawthorn     21   52   123.5


 The finalists are still uncertain. St.Kilda has played its last game for the
season and now it is up to Hawthron or Carlton to win their last game to get in.
The race for the last spot in the finals comes down to 2 games:

    -if Hawthorn and Carlton both win then they are in and St.Kilda is out.

    -if Hawthorn wins and Carlton loses then Hawthorn and St.Kilda are in and
        Carlton is out.

    -if Carlton wins and Hawthorn loses then Carlton and St.Kilda are in and
        Hawthorn is out.

    -if Carlton loses and Hawthorn loses then Carlton and St.Kilda are in and
        Hawthorn is out.

 The other games are just as important. Any of the to4 teams can finish from 1
positions 1 to 5. An amazing finals series will come our way this September.

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From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: VFA News up to Thurs. 27/8/1992
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:24:09 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

The VFA News up to Thursday 27/8/1992.
--------------------------------------
 This last weekend saw the completion of round 18, the final round for the
regular season. The teams in the finals are Sandringham, Williamstown, Prahran,
Werribee, and Box Hill. In other news, Sandringham's Frank Rugolo has won the
J. J. Liston trophy as the best and fairest player in the VFA for the regular
season. Also, Coburg's long standing coach Phil Cleary has resigned as coach of
the club. He is making his life as federal MP his full time occupation. The
details for the round 18 matches are:


        Werribee 13.11 (89) def. Sandringham 12.13 (85)
        Springvale 22.14 (146) def. Oakleigh 9.5 (59)
        Williamstown 9.11 (65) def. Coburg 4.5 (29)
        Frankston 20.20 (140) def. Preston 19.9 (123)
        Prahran 15.14 (104) def. Port Melbourne 7.12 (54)
        Dandenong 9.17 (71) def. Box Hill 9.8 (62)


 The ladder after the final round is:

        Sandringham    60  146.0
        Williamstown   52  133.2
        Prahran        48  139.4
        Werribee       40  120.9
        Box Hill       40  118.3
        ------------------------
        Port Melb.     36   94.4
        Dandenong      32  110.2
        Springvale     32   98.1
        Preston        32   85.2
        Coburg         28   93.0
        Frankston      28   83.9
        Oakleigh        4   43.1

 In the finals, Werribee plays Box Hill in the elimination final, and Williams-
town plays Prahran in the Qualifying final.

Hope you enjoy these. Until next week.............

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From: justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)
Subject: Melbourne's 1993 coach
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:40:54 GMT

I'm just a little surprised that nobody's posted about this already... but
then again, finals fever IS in the air :-)

Who do you think should coach Melbourne next year now that Northey has gone?
More to the point, who do you think WILL coach the Demons?

About 8 games into this season, my dad (a Demons fan of 1000 years) remarked
while listening to Stan Alves on the radio, "there's Melbourne's next coach."
I paid little attention to this prediction at the time, but given the events
of the last day or so, I am inclined to think that Alves is indeed the best
candidate and I believe the Melbourne admin will think so too.

In similar vein, I also think North Melb should look at getting Tom Hafey
in there quick smart [now THIS should draw some discussion :-) ]

Anyone else thought about this?

Regards,
Justin R.
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