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From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Subject: Ape trivia (was: EVIL!)
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:42:43 GMT

In article <JOSHUA.92Oct6233258@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>In article <1atekkINN8tb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda) writ
>(relating someone else's theory):
>
[Amazingly silly stuff about the genesis myth, which is not at all in the
book itself...]
>>   just one arguement, of course...
>
>and a rather silly one. this theory demands that you accept the literal truth
>of the bible, that you believe that apes are more violent than humans
>(they aren't, by and large), that you believe apes and humans can
>interbreed (this is probably true, but experiments have not (to
>my knowledge) been performed, and even if they could it is highly 
>unlikely their progeny would be fertile).
>
Well, besides the point that it is *Cain* who was exiled to the wilderness
and stones because *he* was violent, so it doesn't require apes to be 
violent at all...

Chimpanzees and humans are closer related (by comparing % of DNA in common)
by several factors than are horses and donkeys.  This indicates a very good
chance, following from other genera of mammals with "plastic" genes (i.e.
which exhibit perfectly cross-fertile races, like higher hominids, canids,
equines,...), that Chimps and Humans are cross fertile with a good proba-
bility of fertile offspring.  20% of mules are fertile, despite the usage
of the name to indicate a sterile product.  It's just that in the economy
of agriculture, it doesn't pay to *depend* on the fertility of a mule --
you're much better off with the F1 hybrid cross, which is likely to produce
pretty dependable, consistant, offspring.

It doesn't *necessarily* follow that chimp/human crosses would be more 
likely to be fertile than horse/donkey crosses, just because of percent
of DNA in common.  However, one might imagine (in the no doubt to-be-
continued absence of published experimental evidence...;) that it is 
as likely that the offspring would be close to 100% fertile as 0% fertile.

Darwins work on songbirds in isolated communities makes some interesting
reading if you are intrigued by this as a notion.  There is also a PBS
_Nova_ episode on the theorized "mother of mankind" in Africa which coyly
(and on a pretty popular level) shows the minor genetic divergence of 
chimps and humans from a common ancestor ( or perhaps ancestress? ).

Until we come up with another brave soul like Mengele (with more brains),
we'll probably never know.  (If you need to see an explicit wry smiley
on that, you are suffering for humor/sarcasm impairment, and should seek
assistance immediately).
>
>josh


-- 
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From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: backgrounding
Summary: backgrounding
Keywords: backgrounding
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:32:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


In article <Bw7pIG.Aou@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes...
>In article <15OCT199221413755@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu>, ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS) writes...
>>In article <JOSHUA.92Oct15111947@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes...
>>> 
>>>In article <15OCT199212265080@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> 
>>>ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS) writes:
>>> 
>>>>   I read the FAQ file, and I think I have a good idea of what it is
>>>>   but I would like other opinions of the term 'backgrounding', when 
>>>>   building your pyramid of concentration effect.. techniques for this?
>>>>   thx.. MB. 
>>> 
>>>if you don't have any idea how to do this, I'd recommend doing some dhyana
>>>yoga for a while (at least until you can reliably attain dharana) before
>>>trying the techniques outlined in the FAQ. crowley's '8 Lectures On Yoga'
>>>is a good elementary book describing how to do this.
>>> 
>>>josh
>>> 
>> 
>>Yeah, Ive read 8 lectures, its boring. 


>Could you possibly have missed something?

nope.

>If not, try Raja Yoga or Mental Development by Yogi Ramacharaka.
>

read it, also Vivekanandawandas raja yoga, better.



>>I was refering to definitions,
>>techniques, but I know that can be requesting past what
>>some people are willing to type. 
> 
>People could type forever.  Unless *you* do the work, you are not
>going to understand it.  
>

you, missed the point of the original post


>>There are ls of ways
>>to background the levels of mind. 
>[stuff deleted]
> 
>Why are you asking for advice?
>


just  curious, interested in different opinions.
You have a problem seeing that?   I wasnt asking for
advice, you condescnhendeding, pego peg.
obviously, you dont have anything to offer, just 'advice',,
interesting, a reactionary empty post. typical of this schulk
of a group. 
MB


>- Peggy -
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From: mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka)
Subject: Liber al vegis
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:46:03 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 10-09-92 17:38
To: Cigp07@vaxa.strath.ac.uk to All <=-

 Ci> I have uploaded a quickly hacked together PostScript version of Liber
 Ci> AL vel Legis onto
 Ci> slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com:/pub/magick/INCOMING/220.ps. 

I've heard of this before....how can i gain access to the files at slopoke
thue Usenet?

... ------>|* MARK!
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From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: What is true.
Keywords: What is true.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:16:48 GMT


 There is nothing but water in the holy pools.
    I know, I have been swimming in them.

 All the gods scupted of wood or ivory can't say a word.
    I know, I have been crying out to them.

 The Sacred Books of the East are nothing but words.
    I looked through their covers one day sideways.

 What Kabir talks of is only what he has lived through.
    If you have not lived through something, it is not
 true.

               -- by the 15th Century Indian poet Kabir


Wm T.

.standard disclaimer
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: backgrounding
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:41:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <JOSHUA.92Oct15111947@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes...
> 
>In article <15OCT199212265080@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> 
>ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS) writes:
> 
>>   I read the FAQ file, and I think I have a good idea of what it is
>>   but I would like other opinions of the term 'backgrounding', when 
>>   building your pyramid of concentration effect.. techniques for this?
>>   thx.. MB. 
> 
>if you don't have any idea how to do this, I'd recommend doing some dhyana
>yoga for a while (at least until you can reliably attain dharana) before
>trying the techniques outlined in the FAQ. crowley's '8 Lectures On Yoga'
>is a good elementary book describing how to do this.
> 
>josh
> 

Yeah, Ive read 8 lectures, its boring. I was refering to definitions,
techniques, but I know that can be requesting past what
some people are willing to type. There are lots of ways
to background the levels of mind. Crowley liked the
drug way at times. Getting someone else to do it for
you is a big way with some people., ( the thought form swamp technique)  
 I thought the word backgrounding ( I call it something
else)  could be similar to creating 'set' and 'setting',
in the vehicle you are primarily concerned with 
using in a ritual. Mnemonics! Leary terms!
A banishing can assist backgrounding,of course.
Mantak Chia is better for yoga. Backgrounding is 
just subconscious programming mainly. The old
Gurdjeff horse. cant spell it.
Crowley is like groucho marx plus the godfather, plus
a perverted old lovable grandfather. great justifications.
AND great material for people who need justifications,
ironic huh? NO, those are just the TRAPS that they
all talk about in the crowley books.Those old
justification traps! Gee, they are appealing arent they?
IMUO
THE only good crowley book is snowdrops from a curates 
garden.... Also the  motta
books are interesting altho considered unofficial.
SO WHAT. Ganglia.  
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn)
Subject: Re: Toe Dipping
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:13:44 GMT

I didn't read the original post, so I may be repeating someone else, but
the "alpha" state refered to may be in reference to something akin to Laurie
Cabot's _Power of the Witch_.  Ok, she may be a bit flashy, but she does know
some stuff.  Her chapter on alpha is basically a form of Western visualization
meditation.  She defines alpha as the altered state fo consciousness "where
brain waves register at seven to fourteen cycles per second" as opposed to the 
"beta" level which is 14->30 cycles/second.  Does this ring a bell for anyone?

Also, in reference to the third eye comments, an interesting fact:
  The third eye is located in the same general area as the pineal gland.  The pineal gland is located in the center of the forehead and under the thickest, and hardest bone in the skull.  It nonetheless is affected by light.  The pineal    gland regulates melatonin, a hormone that is important in producing other 
hormones.
   Wind to Thy Wings, Ceridwyn. jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

-- 
       jCeridwyn                         "I feel like a furrball in
jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu                    the throat of life."
filker/pagan/lesbian/Misty fan                -Mork from Ork-
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Magick for emotional turmoil. HELP!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:58:25 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK


My girlfriend has put me into a tailspin.  Last week she was going to
move in with me, and then this week she dumped me (unexpectedly).  Now
we're back together, but she says only on a trial basis.  This is all
totally unexpected for me.  I am in a bit of a shock.  Major emotional
distress has set in.  Having major difficulty eating, sleeping and working.

Anybody out there got any magick that will help me cope?

Thanks,

Chris
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie Brandt)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: RE:Magick for emotional turmoil. Help!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:28:42 GMT
Organization: The Polyhedron Group

All I can say to this problem and I have been throught this round before is
this. 
1 Sit down where you feel comfy and non threatened.  
2 Try to relax all your muscles starting with you feet and work your way up
to your head one muscle group at a time. When you finish with your head
tighting everything up at once and hole it for as long as you can stand it.
Relax and let all the negitinve evergy flow from you in to the earth like
being on a large spounge. 
3. At this point let your mind spin down. 
You are not a bad person and neither is your lady friend. I will sugest a
book I don't remember the author but the title is "Im OK Your OK" 
It takes two to make a reationship mabe you thought you had someting going,
but she did not. Here seems to be a major brake down in communication. 
When she broke up did you inquire as to why? what she felt was not right? 
etc.  If you are intrested in finding a solution to the problem and activle
seek it and involve her in the serch then one will be found it might not be
the one the child in you wants, but what is right for both of you to grow
and advance on.


Blessed Be Always
Pegasus
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: NEED HELP.
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:55:57 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET () writes:
:  I feel something is watching me, always watching.

:                                   Thanx people.



You're paranoid!


Eshin-Fun
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Changing times and magick.
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:05:55 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>Does anyone have any thoughts on the old story of " As time 
>progresses, there will be more mages around..etc."  It seems that 
>I run into more and more people who practice the arts.  Then 
>again, maybe i'm just getting out more...  It seems that some 
>believe that as years go by, the use of magick will grow 
>tremendously..and then fade out, and this goes on in a cycle.  Any 
>ideas on this?  Opinions?
>later, gersha
 
     Sure..  That all things are cyclic is one of the fundamental 
Hermetic principles.  There has always been a "core population" of 
practicioners and esots that hasn't changed all that much, but 
popular interest in the occult is always in flux, currently on the 
rise.  Unfortunately, "popular interest" is misleading, since 99% 
of all involved parties are either full of shit or so small-potatos 
that they're not worth the attention.
 
                                                      -- TTK
From: acarr@pell2l15.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:32:00 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <ogorman.718478320@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie  
(Lucifuge) writes:
> O but you can. Read Catholic theology...evil is not something of itself
> it is not the opposite of good. Rather it is a stunting...a twisted
> version of the true form...I forget the actual argument and words bu
> tthat is the gist of it...I'm *sure* someone out there must have posted
> something along these lines?

The Augustinian tradition in Catholic Theology--and Aquinas, too,--is that  
Evil is a lack of Good.  Good is something, Evil is nothingness.  Yes,  
there is a spectrum rather than a strict binary opposition.  Since in  
medieval catholicism there was a tendency to treat the spiritual as the  
more "real", however, the good tended to be associated with the abstract,  
pure, light, etc. while the Evil was associated with the flesh and  
material (what seems more "real" to us).  Since Evil was associated with  
materialism, it tended to be embodied, and the Devil/Satan became a real  
and positive force.  But technically, Catholic theology has always been  
uncomfortable with a strictly dualistic theology in which Evil is equal to  
or opposite to God.
Amelia
From: lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:00:21 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


  He's back, and he's still asking questions :)

	Ok, IF one takes Good as an active force (symbol of careing for
wounds in following example), and Evil as the lack of Good (not doing
anything for said wounded person), then what is actively wounding a person?

	Simple question, but I do not believe that there will be a simple
answer thatr encompasses almost all viewpoints (I would love to be proved
wrong on this point, however!). Anyway,

	I am still Myself (lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu)
	And I am back from the place where I have been.
	Eat what thou Wilt shalt be the hole of the Law - Aleisteir Cookie

-- 
This was brought to you by Myself(lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu) who is all things here.
Head of Synergy Systems, a non-official group of aspiring hackers creating and
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: EVIL!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:53:36 GMT

Peggy Brown (oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:

: My theory is that of a population with no major psychological 
: problems, those who repress their dark side are more apt to totally 
: lose it and walk into a crowded McDonalds with a machine gun and open 
: fire.  Of course, that means the known "demons" are basically 
: harmless. :)

          And I have to admit that many of us have  the  feeling  that
          our inner emotions are too hot to handle.

          We were talking about this in class one night, when suddenly
          Seth  came  through.   "Emotions flow through you like storm
          clouds or blue skies, and you should be  open  to  them  and
          react  to  them,"  Seth  said.   "You are not your emotions.
          They flow through  you.   You  feel  them.   And  then  they
          disappear.   When  you  attempt to hold them back, you build
          them up like mountains...It is only when  you  try  to  deny
          your emotions that they become dangerous."

                                -- Jane Roberts
                               "The Seth Material"

          Regardless of what you  have  been  told,  hatred  does  not
          initiate strong violence...the outbreak of violence is often
          the result of a built-in sense of powerlessness.

          Many who unexpectedly commit great crimes,  sudden  murders,
          even  bringing  about mass death, have a history of docility
          and conventional attitudes, and were considered  models,  in
          fact,  of  deportment.  All natural aggressive elements were
          denied in their  natures,  and  any  evidence  of  momentary
          hatred  was  considered  evil  and  wrong.  As a result such
          individuals find it difficult, finally, to express even  the
          most  normal  denial,  or  to go against their given code of
          conventionality and respect.  They  cannot  communicate  as,
          say,  even  animals can, with their fellow men as far as the
          expression of a disagreement is concerned.

          Psychologically, only a massive  explosion  can  free  them.
          They  feel so powerless that this adds to their difficulties
          -- so they try to liberate themselves by showing great power
          in terms of violence.

                                -- Jane Roberts
                                   "The Nature of Personal Reality"


-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Magick for emotional turmoil. HELP!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:50:53 GMT

> Anybody out there got any magick that will help me cope?

Well, there are a couple of issues here.  As far as dealing with the side 
effects of emotional stress, almost any "centering" exercise will help, as 
will chocolate (I'm reasonably serious).

However, the key to coping with it is, well, coping with it.  Since I don't 
know either of you, I can't recommend particular strategies, but one of my 
first moves would be to "call a hold" and re-examine the basis of the 
relationship.  It sounds like you have some very different assumptions about 
the "ground rules" of the relationship; if you don't hash these out, you will 
continue to have problems.  Bluntness may come in handy here: this isn't so 
much a matter of intentions as it is the actual mechanics of the 
relationship, and what each of you are doing and expects from the other.

And it may be that you won't be able to resolve the problem.  There are 
people I love dearly that I would go bugfuck trying to live with :)...


Peace,

Amanda Walker


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Enemy seeks to put me on trial...w
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:17:06 GMT


Before you begin searching for any kind of ritual to `save' yourself, consider
what can be gained by just not worrying and letting fate run its course:

Stick with the truth, wether it hurts you or not -- abandon all attachment to
success or failure and be established in the action of telling the truth.

1) If you have done something wrong, you deserve to be punished.  Better to
   take your punishment now than wait 'till later.

2) If you have done something that society considers wrong (big difference from
   point 1), and you are punished for it, accept the injustice that you can not
   change, realizing that you will gain in power from the sacrifice.

3) If you come out on top, good job.

4) Keep in mind that this may just be a way in which your mind is working
   towards another goal.  All events can be turned to your advantage.  Don't
   regard anything as an `unfortunate' happening.

Note on rationalism:  Whether or not this karma/whatever theory has any
rational basis in material evidence, it is an easily believable theory for
western/xian-influenced people, thus making it a very powerful and workable
approach for such people. (Including myself, I swear by this approach)

Hope it helps,
--Joshua (Herafter Hum, to avoid confusion with the great teacher)
jallen@andy.bgsu.edu     BC205CS@opie.bgsu.edu
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: evil and dualism
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:45:32 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <ogorman.718556944@unix1.tcd.ie>, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes...
>In <1992Oct7.183017.20291@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia) writes:
> 
>>"as above, so below" ... know what I mean? :-)
> 
>>God gets in a bad mood and they slap a different name on Him... 
> 
>Of course I don't know what you mean! If I knew that, I'd probably know
>about the lloigor, Carcosa, the CIA and the way the phone company is run
>by the Bavarian Illuminati...I know nothing...excuse me, someones ath
>the door....
> 
>:) :) :)
> 
>Ollie/Lucifuge...

Don't answer it!!!  It's me. :-)
Xref: sparky alt.magick:5165 alt.pagan:10904 alt.religion.all-worlds:90
From: etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (etj90)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:38:13 GMT
Organization: XTank Players Anonymous
Originator: etj90@bosch

In article <BvI0o3.KII@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
(Lost Boy) writes:
>In article <12979@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90 <etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk> writes:
>>In <joshua.717745937@coombs> joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) 
>>writes:
>>>      "PRACTICE RANDOM VIOLENCE AND SENSELESS ACTS OF STUPIDITY"
>>A beautiful posting.
>>
>>"Thought I oughtta bare my naked feelings,
>> Thought I oughtta tear the curtain down.
>> I held the blade in trembling hands, prepared to make it but
>> Just then the phone rang; I never had the nerve to make the final cut."
>
>	The .sig fits the destructiveness of the post nicely.

Satire, dewd...

>	Maybe you  guys should read more philosophy and concentrate
>on "magick" less. 

Oh dear, another NonSatireRekogniser...I was copying the person who
BunnyHugged the orig post, and since Josh beat me to satirising the
orig post I had to Do The Decent Thing.
-- 
"Mumma (oooh) I don't wanna die, I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all."
From: jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: this group
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:23:11 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA

I must say that it is not very interesting tonight.
Anyone want to buy a nzombi? Cheap?

non deterret sapientem mors
          ---Cicero