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From: stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:04:35 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec28.201303.15610@cs.tulane.edu> goff@intruder.navo.navy.mil (Victoria Goff) writes:


>New agers do not agree on all the details but they seem to share the
>view that there is a "oneness" of a spirit and that all religions
>in some way try to describe it. Therefore, all religions are right
>in that they describe this spirit from a different perspective.
>Thus, they are sort of monotheistic.

Ah, *AHEM*, not.


>Many Newagers distort Christ's purpose- saying that he was a great teacher,
>or he was a myth, or he was a alien, but the bible is clear as to who he
>claimed to be and why he came. The biblical view of Christ cannot be 
>accepted by Newagers. 

They say he was an ALIEN!?!?!?!  That's EXCELLENT!  Can't you just see
Jesus flying around in a flying saucer?  Sounds like a miniseries.

As for the bible being "clear" about who Jesus was an what his mission
was, well, anybody who says this seriously has either 1) not read the
bible or 2) not thought about it.  


>|> Would you say that the New Age in its various manifestations,
>|> especially in regard to this issue of spiritual appropriation, fits
>|> within the framework of AFC Wallace's revitalization movement theory?

I'll answer this one.  No.  It is nothing at all like that.  

>I suppose I will add my very unpopular opinion to the subject and I'm
>sure I'll get some heat. I know the Lord Jesus Christ and so there is
>no way this Newage religion has any truth to it. I must admit, it does
>seem to neatly explain everything almost as if it were masterminded...
>hummmm...

Ain's it wierd, what people believe?


>Man is an animal, survival of the fittest euthenasia abortion...this
>is going to be a cold new world folks. If our parents wanting or not
>wanting us to be born were the critera to our right to be born, I
>daresay most of us would not be alive right now. Aren't you glad
>your parents didn't think that way?

Yes, and isn't it nice to live in one of the few societies in history in
which handicapped babies aren't routinely abandoned and killed?  I guess
I've wasted enough time on this crap.


>-Victoria Day Goff         
-- 

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From: vgibbs@nmsu.EDU (Victor R Gibbs)
Subject: Louis Leakey
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: sci
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:22:46 GMT

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone out in netland had any useful information on
Louis Leakey for a paper I am working on. Of particular interest are
first hand accounts as well as bibliographies or interesting reading 
materials about the man and his work in Africa etc.

Thanks, 

vgibbs@dante.nmsu.edu
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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT
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From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas )
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:06:39 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 





Victoria Goff writes:
+++You know, Jesus was so narrow and hardheaded, wasn't he Maria? He
+++just didn't respect anybody's beliefs if they didn't line up with
+++his. You would think he thought he was God...

|> Well, that's my $.02.  (And, yes, I've *studied* the Bible, and

+++Ah, you might have *studied* the bible, but do you *live* it?

|> if the New Testament is not taken out of context with the Old Testa-
|> ment and the Jewish culture of Jesus' time, it's message is VERY
|> clear.  Hmmmmm...culture impacting religious beliefs?  AMAZING!)

+++You sure you're a Christian? You don't sound like you know Christ.
+++Besides, all the real Christians I know hate religion as much as
+++Christ does.

+++-V.Goff   "...always in trouble"


I've replied to Victoria privately regarding the above comments.
Regarding what specific religious principles our Constitution is
based upon, and therefore our culture, the Deists did believe
that the judeo-christian Ten Commandments were good laws upon
which to base our government, but they did not specifically be-
lieve in the deity ("Jehovah God") that prescribed them.  They
may have believed in the theory that the deity somehow wound up
the universe like a clock and just let it run, too (as Bud Hovell
mentioned. I don't remember, but it makes sense.)  The New Age
movement similarly seems to "take the best and leave the rest,"
but not always.

M-

--
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	Keanu Reeves as Jonathan Harker in "Dracula"
From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Women Doctors
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:51:54 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1hqeogINN7a2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:

 > As far as who prefers a woman doctor rather than a male doctor, I think 
 > much has to do with the culture and its social conditioning.  A previous
 > post mentioned something like older people prefered male doctors and 
 > younger people preferred women doctors.  This would tend to reflect some of
 > the changes in our culture.  I think that in time you will see more 
 > acceptance of women doctors, as well as in other professions, as society in 
 > general gradually accepts women in roles other than that of mother and 
 > home-maker.  It is possible that women doctors are, or are perceived to be, 
 > more nurturant than male doctors.  
 >  
 > To add one more statistic to anyone who may be keeping track: 
 > I prefer women doctors.  I am 37, a college grad with a BS in psychology,
 > an MS in education, and about to start a Ph.D. program in anthropology.

If you want stats from among Anthropologists, my wife during her two
pregnancies refused point blank to have anything to do with Western
male doctors, and it was only during the final stages of delivery that
they intervened at all (she didn't care at that point anyway).

But during the course of pregnancy, she relied heavily on traditional
herbal preparations in frequent consultation by phone with some of the
old women from her home village in China. Today also we both consult
the Chinese herbalist brought here by the Chinese community from the
Medical School at the University of Beijing, rather than bother any
more with the local GP (male or female).

The herb garden decorating the front of our house supplies all the
routine remedies of childhood, while I personally also use traditional
Aboriginal methods when I am out in the bush rather than carry a heavy
first-aid kit with me all the time just to treat the odd inconvenience.

Law suits are simply not an issue because we both finally gave up on
the somewhat patronising and disempowering Western medical practice for
the vast bulk of our family's health care needs. We tend not to like
"specialties" in medicine, but take a more holistic view of preventive
health care and good family management. Both our boys are thriving,
energetic and big for their age (but they also get *heaps* of really
geniune TLC alongside occasional smacked bottoms), while any surgery
we might need at any time remains to be seen.

Sorry for being verbose and off the thread. This is one of my favourite
topics :-)

Gil
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Rage+
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:46:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1993Jan1.224623.1
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Dec31.090126.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu>, sclera@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> 
>>You sure you're a Christian? You don't sound like you know Christ.
>>Besides, all the real Christians I know hate religion as much as
>>Christ does.
>>
>>-V.Goff   "...always in trouble"
> 
> Yawn.
> 
> C.S. Cornuelle
> bob@sclera.physics.arizona.edu
>  

Interesting drivel from both?
Is this some hidden anthropolgical agenda post?


==
==
Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Evolution in anthropology
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:27:55 GMT

Evolution in anthropology is intresting because it is the interplay of three
not totally compomatable theories of evolution: Darwinian, Lamarcian, and Chaos
(Better know as puctulated equlibium)  Darwinian evolution works until we
start using tools and begin to communicate, then Lamarcian evoltion takes over.
Lamarcian evolution's use of 'inharence of aquired charactistics' works better
for informantion that Darwinian evolution.  Chaos theory starts opperating
at the time of sendentary groups and involves the interaction of Darwinian and
Lamarcian theory with the culture that has and is contiuing to evolve.
Chaos theory has been seen in network theory where there are forces that
each have there own law but whose interactions are not realably prediatable
but also follow a set of rules that can resemble other systems.
Comments welcome.
From: 6500cga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Fegliano Barumfski)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Yanomami warring & sexal frustration.
Date: 25 Dec 92 01:33:22 GMT


Chris,
Is this the same Brazilian who holds Chagnon accountable for
Yanomamo genocide (published in AN a while back)?  Interestingly
enough, Pierre Bourdieu (whose name does not so easily slip from
the tongue) prefers the work of Chagnon, over Lizot and Albert.
Lizot and Albert publish in Catholic journals, mostly along the
lines of "well, they are not as violent as Chagnon says." Hardly
what I would consider to be riveting ethnography, more like
anthropology as an apology.  Methodologically, you can't beat
Chagnon... period.
-Feg
 
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From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: [ARCH] Re: Which Came First, Agriculture or Pastorial
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:09:38 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Dec18.161359.11906@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov writes:

 > your last paragraph can also apply to the process of domestication.
 > here's a really speculative approach...the introduction of
 > agriculture leads to sedentary lifestyles around crop fields, fields
 > attract herds and the process of culling for desirable features
 > begins. likely? who knows?

Certainly Aboriginal women left grinding stones near the grain fields
rather than carrying them around, returning to the site in season year
by year. They also left food cakes and shelters close by so that people
travelling through the area during the off season could rest there and
have something to eat.

But I do not think domestication respectively of plants and animals is
related in any direct way; animals certainly are not sedentary at all,
but themselves travelled about to visit certain areas on a regular
basis to exploit the plants growing there.

My own thoughts on human settlement are rather more concerned with
increasing population and/or invasion (also by other animals), as
people stayed in the one place increasingly frequently in order both
to protect resources and to protect their privileged access to them.
Not a lot different from the way people behave today, if any of you
have ever watched a gang of teenagers regularly at the same street
corner and their behaviour toward other gangs . . .

--
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Consulting Ethnologist                              Fidonet:  3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                         Voice:  (+61 9) 399 2401
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Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Rage
From: sclera@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:01:26 MST
Reply-To: bob@sclera.physics.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Keywords: iknowiambutwhatareyou
Summary: bogus bogus bogus
Nntp-Posting-User: sclera


>You sure you're a Christian? You don't sound like you know Christ.
>Besides, all the real Christians I know hate religion as much as
>Christ does.
>
>-V.Goff   "...always in trouble"

Yawn.

C.S. Cornuelle
bob@sclera.physics.arizona.edu
From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Fluvial paradise (was: Which Came First, Agriculture or 
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 08:34:29 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <Bzz16C.IsC@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com writes:

 > Those speculating on cultural evolution do well to
 > remember, as Mr. Chapman reminds us, that we need
 > more categories than the hunting-gathering vs.
 > agricultural vs. pastoral scheme into which it's
 > easy to lapse.  In particular, indigenous economies
 > based on harvesting aquatic resources are quite
 > interesting.

I think it also must be kept in mind that societies *devolve* as much
as they *evolve*. Again, the various economic bases on which people
rely for their sustenance are available today as they have been at
any other time.

Further, it is only big cities (known for their invention of linear
time) which were unavailable during "prehistoric times". Today it is
those big cities in seeking to secure "their" hinterland (in the name
of peace) which impose so egregiously on other "backward" economies.

What is happening now, as city-based industries decline? The people
previously employed there are returning to growing vegetables, aren't
they? Doesn't that mean a devolution from an industrial society to a
horticultural?

That is certainly the word being used in Australia to describe the dual
process of urban renewal and rural reconstruction currently underway.

Gil
From: karen@bberry.ru.ac.za (karen)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: doctoral studies
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:58:27 GMT
Organization: kudu mail/news uucp point


Hi,
I am busy completing a masters and am looking for info on any
doctoral programmes which universities in the USA offer.  I
would prefer to do a doctorate by thesis and am particularly
interested in the anthropology of education in a multi-cultural
environment.  I would be grateful if anyone out there can offer
any guidelines as to which institutions would be likely to have
supervisors for such a topic/or who I can approach with such a
query.
Thanks
Karen Juul
From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: [ARCH] Re: Which Came First, Agriculture or Pastorial
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:11:41 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Dec21.155050.6167@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM writes:

 > Since agriculture was possibily invented several times around the world-
 > mideast,
 > Harrupa, Chinea, meso AMerica, South America- several answers may right.

Indeed, many may be right I would hope. One answer to everything would
be quite insufferable . . .

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Consulting Ethnologist                              Fidonet:  3:690/660.6
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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Date: 1 Jan 1993 22:57:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec30.213930.16097@cs.tulane.edu> goff@pops.navo.navy.mil writes:
>
>Maria, I do not know what you mean by orthodox Christian. Either one 
>believes Jesus or one doesn't. You asked for an opinion on the
>effects of the New Age movement on modern culture and my basic
>reply was that I thought it would accelerate the moral decline
>of an essentially Christian culture. 

In which case, to quote the 'great historians' Sellars and Yeatman,
it would probably be 'A GOOD THING'.

>
>You know, Jesus was so narrow and hardheaded, wasn't he Maria? He
>just didn't respect anybody's beliefs if they didn't line up with
>his. You would think he thought he was God...

Since the claims of Christianity must be taken on faith (in other
words they are not allowed to be susceptible to the kinds of tests a
social science, which anthropology is, administers), they are no
better than that of any other apodictic belief system.

>
>You are mistaken. The Constitution is based on biblical principles.
>We take for granted the impact Christian principles have given to
>society and are spoiled to it's precepts and ideals. 

Religion being a private matter -- as enshrined in the First
Amendment -- is based on no biblical principle.

>
>There is no doubt that they might have even been influenced by Shakespeare
>but the overall plan for this country (Constitution) bears the mark
>of a higher power. 

Given that the drafters of the Constitution were influenced by
(inter alia) Locke, Machiavelli, Aristotle, Polybius, Harrington,
Montesquieu, Sidney, and Milton, it looks to me like the 'higher
power' is the indomitable human intellect.
>
>Ah, you might have *studied* the bible, but do you *live* it?

Argument by insult, how Christian.



-- 
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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From: helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: Hutterites Today
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:49:08 GMT

I just finished rereading my undergraduate textbook on the Hutterites
(for those who don't know, the Hutterites are the world's most successful
group who practice communal living).

Its a fascinating book and lifestyle, however, the book describes 
research which is about 30 years old and I was wondering if there
was anything newer written about them, or if anyone know how they are
doing today--how many colonies are there, population etc.

Thanks for any info!
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: vgibbs@nmsu.EDU (Victor R Gibbs)
Subject: Louis Leakey
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: sci.anthropology,sci.archaeology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:19:20 GMT





Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.math
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: [SOC] Ethnomathematics survey
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:52:42 GMT

I write to recommend

        D'Ambrosio, Ubiratan
        1992    "Ethnomathematics:  A Research Program on
                the History and Philosphy of Mathematics
                with Pedagogical Implications", in Notices
                of the American Mathematical Society, vol-
                ume 39, number 10, pages 1183-1185
                (December 1992).  American Mathematical
                Society, Providence, Rhode Island

to those with ethnomathematical interests.  While some readers
have questioned the propriety even of attempting to articulate
the cognition of members of one culture in the languages of
ethnography and modern mathematics, a meaningful critique needs
to direct itself to such thoughtful and energetic scholars as
Professor D'Ambrosio.  He addresses his survey article to
educators; it has none of the content we crave--no stories
of how "primitives" cleverly solve for Lagrangians in laying
out their sorghum plots, or use specialized counting words for
enumerating sheep--but usefully introduces ethnomathematics as
a pedagogical abstraction with far-ranging consequences.  D'Am-
brosio himself has wide experience in the topic:  he has served
as Director of Graduate Studies at SUNY-Buffalo, organizer of
the graduate program in Mali, Lecturer to the Opening Plenary
session of the 1984 International Congress of Mathematics Edu-
cators in Adelaide, and currently ranks as a professor at the
Institute of Mathematics, Statistics, and Computer Science at
the State University of Campinas, and President of the Bra-
zilian Society for the History of Science.

D'Ambrosio notes that, in 1991, *Mathematical Reviews* added
the new Subject Classification, "01A07  Ethnomathematics".
He refers to

        Ascher, Marcia
        1991    Ethnomathematics:  A Multicultural View
                of Mathematical Ideas.  Brooks/Cole
                Publishing Company, Pacific Grove

        D'Ambrosio, Ubiratan
        1990    Etnomatematica.  Editora Atica, Sao
                Paulo

        Gerdes, Paulus
        ?       Etnomatematica.  Instituto Pedagogico
                Superior de Maputo, Maputo.

He touches on declining achievements in the USA and parts of
Europe, the criollo experience, the different senses of ethno-
mathematics, mathematics as a human activity, mathematics as
a specifically cultural activity, and the problems of "tech-
nology transfer".  I haven't seen Professor D'Ambrosio in
person, and his short article answers none of the questions
it raises, but now I'll be alert to his more completed work.
-- 

Cameron Laird
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