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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Arrow PIPELINE (Was Re: alright, a new question)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:02:30 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

>Alright Buck, thank you for elaborating. My next question is : who/what is
>CEO at Cedarfair? It sounds important.

I forget the man's name off the top of my head, but CedarFair Ltd.
is the company which owns/operates Cedar Point, ValleyFair!, and
Dorney Park.  CEO = Chief Executive Officer.  This man is also
President of CedarFair Ltd., fwiw.  Janice Lifke, Cedar Point's PR 
Person, also verbally verified what the CedarFair CEO/President had 
to say re: future expansion projects.  

If they were keeping a surprise coaster installation under-wraps,
then why would they public tout an installation in 1994?  Also,
I surely would have heard through the grape-vine about the project
(unannounced contracts have their ways of leaking into the public),
and to date I've not heard anything in the way of a coaster project
at Cedar Point.


BUT, here's one way to find out.  Building permits are public record.
If you go to the town hall in Sandusky, there would be a building
permit for a new coaster with Cedar Point's name on it.  Said permit
would also have the contractors name on it (this is how the Arrow
mine train at Silver Dollar City was "discovered" while the park was
trying to keep it's debut a secret).


>What convinced me about their story was them coming out and saying that CP
>OWNS and HAS OWNED the rights to the ride. 

Hmmmm, I must admit that is the first time I've heard that.  I'm not 
sure what to think about it either, as last year, Morey's Pier in 
Wildwood, NJ, was displaying a model of the PIPELINE coaster at the 
park.  The park also said it had a "one year exclusive rights" on the ride.

???


>One more question--is it definite that Pipeline will Debut in 1993? If so, how
>is this known? 

Well, for one thing, Randy Geisler, Ex-ACE President, recently reported 
in ACE NEWS that  a) the pipeline has been sold to a park in the US, and
b) the coaster will make it's public debut in 1993.  ACE NEWS makes a
habit of not reporting rumors or "probabilities", so you can vouche
for any news read in the newsletter.  The park in question has contacted
ACE with the information that the coaster has been bought, and will be
errected next year, but as asked to remain annonymous for the time
being.



All for now,
Buck
From: scott@svl.cdc.com (Scott Gerken)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Re. "Beware of ripoffs" [Conneaut Lake]
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:38:31 GMT

maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione) writes:

>In article <2237@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth) writes:
>>
>>  Yesterday, "Tom" wrote "park was charging $20 on pretense of someoor
>>  concert [at Conneaut] ... gouge last penny out of patrons"
>>

>Since I posted my original gripe, I heard a rumor that the concert act at
>Conneaut Lake that day was the Grateful Dead; any confirmation or negation
>of this info/rumor?

If this rumor was true it probably isn't true any more.  A couple of weeks agoe
the Dead were to perform 4 shows in the San Fransisco Bay Area, but they canceled
because Jerry Garcia is sick and the doctor told him to rest.  The local paper
said that they have canceled all of their shows through September.
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From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: 1992 IAAPA Convention / Texas Giant III
Summary: A sidetrack, some general info.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:44:32 GMT

This is totally off to the side, and mostly directed to Bill Figie, but it
may be useful to everyone. My point is that we should be careful when
formatting news messages by limiting the amount of letters on each line.
Bill F. always has some good stuff to say, but by the time I get it, it
wanders all over the screen and becomes very hard to read. So, if we could
all limit ourselves to something like 70 characters across the line, it
makes it all the more easier to read. This applies especially to replies to
news articles, since each news handler likes to add some prefix like
>> to each line, making the lines all the more longer!

Just my own $0.02 on this issue.

Tom "I like mine readable" Maglione.
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: Texas Giant III
Summary: Texas Giant vs. Mean Streak.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:54:05 GMT

In article <fmly7#g@rpi.edu> xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:
>
>How many of you ACE members are planning to attend Texas Giant III at
>Six Flags Over Texas in November?  I'm thinking about it, and I want
>opinions about the Texas Giant.  It sounds similar to Mean Streak in
>size and layout -- how does the ride compare?  And how are the trains?

Well, IMHO Texas Giant blows away the Mean Streak, hands down. The Mean
Streak is built as a "family" ride, and there are no real forces felt
anywhere during the ride (as best as I can remember from last year).
The Texas Giant, however, is a rough and tumble twister of a ride, and
is well worth riding whenever you get the chance. The Mean Streak is
kind of a speed-racing coaster: lots of high speeds cruising through the
structure with little to no abrupt changes in attitude or elevation. The
Mean Streak banks all of its turns, whereas the Texas Giant does not (to
the best of my recollection). I would prefer the Giant over the Streak
any day. Unfortunately, I don't think I can attend the event there this
November, but if I could I would.
Give 'er a spin for me!
Tom Maglione
From: muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Elitch Gardens, Denver ... Moving ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:44:48 GMT


  Presumably, the Elitch Gardens amusement park in Denver is
  changing to a new location this winter [i.e. from North
  Denver to a new site in the old railroad yards adjacent to
  "downtown" Denver ...

  TO YOU FOLKS IN DENVER -> if you have occasion to see this
  move, or hear stories, about this move -> SEND US SOME INFO
  FROM TIME TO TIME THIS WINTER ABOUT HOW THE MOVE IS GOING ...

  FOR EXAMPLE, HOW a roller coaster is actually moved !!

  Thanks. Wayne Muth.
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From: larry@labrador.fishkill.ibm.com (Larry Pieniazek)
Subject: Re: Updated info on Lake Compounce.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 13:27:16 GMT
Reply-To: lar@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM East Fishkill
Keywords: directions signs

I most certainly don't want to argue with a potential LP voter! :-) All I
was trying to say was that I asked them about signs and they said
"We put them back up" or words to that effect. That lead me to believe
that some of them were down for some period of time.

I asked for specific directions after getting off the interstate and
they just repeated "follow the signs, you can't miss it, thats why
we put them up again". Perhaps they were a bit busy. :-)

Tomorrow I guess I will know whether the ones on the interstate 
still have the "closed" board on or not. (I have seen those before
in my travels in CT.)

I'm glad you brought this up and did the initial investigation, I might
have missed knowing about this were it not for this newsgroup.
Sorry if I was vague or seemed to be disagreeing or contradicting
what you posted. Not my intent at all!

-Larry "*MY* favorite coaster is the Big Dipper in Santa Cruz" Pieniazek
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Loopers (was Re: Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens, VA
Originator: wjf@rs2
Keywords: drachen fire
Organization: Harris Controls
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:48:00 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.180535.22709@engage.pko.dec.com>, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com writes:
|> >BTW, I don't recall which types of propulsion systems are used 
|> >on the rides you mentioned (although I have ridden all of them), 
|> >but your description fairly well clinches the type accordingly.
|> >
|> >Tom "I like 'em technical" Maglione
|> 
|> TIDAL WAVE -- KECO Great America ... Counterweight
|> 
|> MONTAZOOMA's REVENGE -- Knott's Berry Farm ... Flywheel
|> 
|> GREEZED LIGHTNIN -- Six Flags Astroworld ... Flywheel
|> 
|> 
|> (In storage)
|> 
|> TIDAL WAVE -- Six Flags Great America ... Counterweight

You forgot to add the remaining last two that are now gone.  The Laser Loop that used to
be at Kennywood was a Flywheel.  The King Kobra that used to be at Kings Dominion was a
counterweight.  The last was the White Lightnin' at Carowinds.  Another Counterweight.  
What ever happened to these last three shuttle loops?  

I feel that I always got the greatest sensation of speed from the Flywheel ones.  This
could also be attributed to the fact that Montazooma's Revenge and the Greezed Lightnin
had something just before the loop to zoom through that would give the preception of
even greater speed.  MR has that loop and GL has that outhouse looking shack.  I really
get a rush out of GL.  That coaster really takes my breath away.  If you have never
ridden one of these, make plans to catch one in the next several years.  Because of
maintenance problems they experience, it may not be too long before these become an
endangered species.

I am not too fond of the Arrow versions such as Afterburner (the old Zoomerang at Circus
World/Double O at Boardwalk and Baseball), the Black Widow (Loop Coaster) at Riverview,
Lightnin' Loops at Great Adventure, and the old Screamin' Demon (or Demon at Kings
Island).  They are pretty exciting but they have hurt my back more times than I care to
remember.  If you don't sit up 100% straight, when you go through the loop, gravity
presses down directly on your spine.  I really got in bad shape one day on the Zoomerang
trying to scoot down and brace my feet in the front car while holding a camera steady. 
I almost couldn't walk, sit, .....  It was something.

			Bill "I must be getting old" Figie
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Subject: Re: Batman
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:23:04 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Aug27.123813.13609@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.210931.16046@bert.eecs.uic.edu> artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) writes:
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
>>	The climb to the first drop was rapid, and perhaps a bit
>>noisy (I think they added something to make it noisier).  The rest of
>>the ride is a high-speed blur.  Vertical loops like silk, no jarring,
>>just a smooth swoop up and over.  I normally don't like corkscrew loops,
>>with all the head-banging into the straps.  The corkscrews on Batman
>>are effortless.  We rode twice and I can't remember if there are 2 or
>>3 corkscrews.
>>	The ride struck me as a new dynamic in rollercoasters, less linear.
>>Every roller coaster I've been on before felt like it was designed on
>>paper, using a T-square and a slide rule.  Batman feels like it was
>>computer generated, a single B-spline.  I would love to see a colored
>>plot of the force vectors along the ride.
> 
> Where did you ride?  Our first ride (8/20) was in the first row.  I
> felt like I really took a beating and my chest was bruised for a couple
> of days afterward.  The cork screws (I believe there are three of them)
> seemed to throw me around the most. The next day we rode in the very
> last row.  The ride seemed much smoother, but the view was lost.  Although
> it was painful (to me at least), I enjoyed the ride in the front row the
> most.  It's an awesome coaster.
> 
> [suff deleted]
> 
I rode the BATMAN early in August.  It was the most incredible experience of 
my life.  My girlfriend and I were pissy because we had to wait for over two 
hours, because of rain, etc, etc.  Well, once we got to the ride (up a 
flight of stairs with entirely too much gross-tasting steam/gas), we were in 
heaven.  It was kind of overcast and dark, since it had been raining and it 
was about 6:00.  The weather (kinda cool) added to the whole experience.  We 
really felt like we were in the Batman movies (which are really dark, cold, 
wet feeling movies).  We had the same response (got off cheering).  
	We were in the fourth seat, which seemed like a great place to be.  
We had a good view, and the ride was smooth.  The sensation of having your 
legs dangling while your being twisted around upside down at fifty feet is 
just incredible, and as with most good roller coasters, there are several 
places where you think you're going to hit.
	Just thought I'd add my voice, since this was the ride of the summer 
(and my life).  Everyone should ride this ride.>>
>>			Stephan Meyers
>>-- 
>>--
> 
> Ed
> -- 
> Edwin G. Green
> AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
> INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
> egg@inuxy.att.com
-- 


Jeffery D. Webb

JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU
University Of Kansas


Do you choose what I choose?
More alternatives.
Energy derives from both 
The plus and negative.
	--Metallica
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From: xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Texas Giant III
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:42:57 GMT


How many of you ACE members are planning to attend Texas Giant III at
Six Flags Over Texas in November?  I'm thinking about it, and I want
opinions about the Texas Giant.  It sounds similar to Mean Streak in
size and layout -- how does the ride compare?  And how are the trains?
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)
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From: mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike)
Subject: Conneaut Lake...going,going,
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:25:50 GMT

Gone, as of Labor Day. I don't know if this is general knowledge among
coaster aficionados, but I heard on the news that Conneaut Lake had so
much success with their summer concert series that they are dismantling
the Blue Streak and selling all of the other amusement rides in the
park, and devoting the park to other forms of entertainment. The news
report said that they can't compete with all of the bigger parks in the
area. I've never been there, so I'm planning to take a day next week to
run up and ride the Blue Streak, which has gotten such good reviews in
this newsgroup.

Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    
Software Engineering Institute          
Carnegie-Mellon University              
Pittsburgh PA                                   
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Wood coaster for Great Adventure????
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:06:07 GMT

Bill "I like the name Cyclops" Figie,

From my research, I think your response (which I remember well)
was right on the money!!

Six Flags had contracted Dinn/Summers to install 6 "CYCLONE"
coasters in their remaining parks (AF Astroworld already has
a "Cyclone" coaster by Bill Cobb).  Only two of the proposed 6
coasters were ever built by Dinn & Summers -- the "Georgia Cyclone"
at SFoG, and the "Psyclone" at SFMM.  The partnership of Dinn/Summers
eventually dissolved, and the contracts never completed.  As far
as things stand today, I'm not sure if Six Flags Entertainment
is still hot over the idea of a wooden CYCLONE coaster in each of
the parks or not.

It's my belief that the park employees at Six Flags Great Adventure
were referring to this proposed "cyclone" coaster when they told
that ACEer they would be installing a wooden coaster called the
"Cyclops".


just my humble 0.02
Buck
From: slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: SFMM Times
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:55:59 GMT
Organization: Massively Parallel Computing Initiative, LLNL

I am not sure of the times in September but currently they are open until
10pm weekdays and midnight friday and saturday.  Since last year, they've
added several different things:  a new (sort of) roller coaster called
Flashback and the Batman stunt show and Batman Fireworks show.  This
year, I rode the Log Jammer flume ride while last year I only rode the
Jet Stream Flume ride.  There is a difference!  Log Jammer is much
better since it has two drops right after each other.  Flashback is ok
and a bit strange for a coaster.  The harnesses they use (which are
now used on Revolution as well) really punch into your gut.  My advice
is to not cock them back all the way so you don't get hurt.  These
things are really ugly and I didn't enjoy them very much.  I noticed
that there is a distinct difference in the feeling you get on Viper
(and Revolution as well, for that matter) regarding where you sit in
the train.  It seems to me that you get this stronger gut feeling
(that I didn't particularly like) by sitting in the front while the
ride in the middle seemed so much smoother.  $4 off discount tickets
are easy to come by (admission is $25) but a guy in line sold me a $10
off ticket for $5 (so I only saved $15 instead of $20 for my wife and myself).
That made it a good deal.  I almost did this thing that as I entered
the park, I was asked to participate in a survey about expenses, etc.
The idea was that if I did the survey and kept track of every damn
penny I spent there, I could get a free admission later in the year.
Well, I figured it was too much trouble since I probably won't go
again this year.  Oh well.

		Scott
--------------------------------------------------------
Scott R. Whitman, Ph.D.		slim@llnl.gov
LLNL, L-416, P.O. Box 808	(510) 294-4109
Livermore, CA 94550		
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: New sight this weekend!
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:58:45 GMT


In article <1992Aug25.230918.4802@news.media.mit.edu>, maglione@media.mit.edu 
Tom writes:
|> 
|> Interesting story about the coaster riding dog; there used to be another
|> one several years ago, I don't remember the names, but the dog got fairly
|> well known amongst coaster enthusiasts.

The dog you are talking about, Tom, is Zonker.  He was the pet of Joe Barna of
Connecticut.  Zonker, from what I have been told, died several years ago.  At the
time I rode with Zonker, and Joe, Zonker had ridden about 20 different coasters. 
He was exclusively wood.  I rode with him on the Coaster at Dorney Park and the
Wildcat at Lake Compounce.  He loved to ride.  Joe would have to hand on to him
on a special harness he made for the dog.  Zonker, and Joe were featured on
several TV shows including one called Fantasy where Zonker rode the Giant Dipper
at Santa Cruz.  

The current roller coaster dog is owned by a maintenance man at Lakemont Park. 
He is a poodle and his owner doesn't have to hang on as tight as Joe did to
Zonker.  I have 2 TV stories on this dog and his owner in my video collection. 
It even showed the dog riding a ferris wheel "alone".  

These are the only two coaster dogs I have ever heard of.

			Bill "make mine wood" Figie
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From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:57:43 GMT


In a previous article, geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) says:

>Too bad Dale's not here to defend the Mean Streak's honor! ;^)
>
>(Does anyone besides Dale "Insert quote here" English like the Mean
>Streak?)
>
>Geoff ``I've never ridden it, so I wouldn't know'' Allen

I'll put in a vote for the Mean Streak! It has broken in nicely, they
opened it up last year with NO break in time so it was lacking in excitement
for about 2/3 of the season last year. This year I think the first half is
excellent. I has a nice, very rough spot at the bottom of the first hill,
some airtime off the third hill, good lateral g's in the turn after the
third hill and some airtime off the hill after the turn. The second half
could still use some work! Re-profile it for lots of airtime and make the
hills go all the way to the ground and you would have a top 5 coaster. As
it stands now I would put it in my top 10 or 15.

-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
I'd rather be on a boat or a           ///  /\
roller coaster. Member of A.C.E  \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// Humpty Dumpty was pushed!
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Wood coaster for Great Adventure????
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:17:46 GMT


Geoff,
 
I liked the names Ninja and Vortex at first, but when they started showing up on
2 or 3 different coasters with even the same logos and advertisement lines "The
Black Belt of Roller Coasters", they sort of wore thin on me.  I like unique
names for my coasters.  I hate duplicates.  Duplicate names make it confusing to
talk about without adding "Vortex at KI" or "Ninja at Magic Mountain".  Not only
that but have you seen the logos for the Vortex at KI, the Vortex at Great
America, Santa Clara (the name Great America is another story altogether), and
the Vortex at Canada's Wonderland.  They look the same except the track the robot
is twisting.  One is a standup, the other is a suspend, the third is just arrow
track.  Back in the golden ages of coasters there must have been hundreds of
Scenic Railways, Big Dipper, Cyclones, and Coasters.  I guess it would have been
too hard to have come up with 1500 different unique names.  So I guess that 3 or
4 Vortex's isn't really too bad considering.

		Bill "make mine unique" Figie
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Texas Giant III 
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:40:44 GMT


I am not 100% sure about the date but I am about 98% sure it is being held on
Nov. 21 and 22.  The reason I am as sure as I am is there is also an added bonus
for those that get to Texas early.  The week before Texas Giant III, probably
Nov. 16th to Nov. 21st, the IAAPA is holding their convention in Dallas.  ACE is
a member of IAAPA and therefore ACE members are allowed to attend.  I have gone
to two of them in Orlando and they are great.  All the park managers, VPs, etc.
are there, all the manufacturers are there, and suppliers, etc.  It is one big
kids dream.  Isle upon isle of stuff.  Coaster companies, flat ride companies,
simulators to ride (I rode 5 different manufacturers simulators at Orlando). 
Plush toy, games, landscaping, tickets, photos, bungee jumping companies (they
didn't have any demos on this one), virtual reality game (from a company called
Virtuality), lovely girls, the ACE booth, magazines (At the Park), etc.  You name
it and it is there.  But I think it cost 20 to 30 dollars to attend.  All you
have to do is mention ACE on the sign up sheet and you can get in to the
convention for the 5 days.  I really enjoyed it.  I might even be tempted to go
to Dallas this year and got to the Texas Giant III afterwards.  It sounds good to
me.

			Bill "I need a break" Figie
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