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From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:41 PDT
Subject: Re: Taiwan Embassies
Nf-ID: #R:RgeuPB3w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org:-336541293:cdp:1474900012:000:1154
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 21 06:41:00 1992


There are around 20 embassies (probably others will tell you the exact
number). One of the most important one - the embassy in Seoul - might become
the embassy of the PR China soonly.

Taiwan has many trade offices and tourist offices abroad. In my homecountry
(Germany) the government does everything not to offend the PR China, on the
working level however the relations to Taiwan are not bad. People in Taiwan
can obtain visas directly at the German trade chamber or the cultural center
in Taipei, which is much easier for them than for their sisters and brothers
in the mainland.

It may be a surprise to you and people in Taiwan: the largest (amount of
menbers) parlamentarian interest group in Bonn is the "Taiwan" group, perhaps
the common interest mainly may be travelling to Taiwan.

Generally the relation between Taiwan and "western" democracies is a quite
embarassing chapter of diplomacy, the more democratic Taiwan gets, the more
hype is around there. So Taiwan has no choice but to rely on trade relations
and "money" diplomacy. Without offering alternatives, nobody can blame Taiwan
for that approach.

Goetz Kluge
Seoul 1992/08/21
Korea
From: lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Why Use a Lightbulb?
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:53:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Boy, that subject caught your attention, huh?  :)

Yes, why use a lightbulb?  NO! Not the ones that give
out light!  I'm talking about when Taiwanese couples
date, why do they bring a "lightbulb" (dun1-pao4)?

I was just reading this in soc.culture.asian.american,
and I thought that it's a rather cute idea.  Alas, I
was too young to know about dating when I left Taiwan.
So, is there a reason for bringing a lightbulb along
to a date?

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Dr. Yung C. Liang)
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:10:27 GMT

In article <92227.130430U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>All I wanted to said, initially, was that :
>(1) A government or a political party should be responsible to what their
>predecessor did. Open up their minds.
>(2) No more WSR or BSR, please. If we were all born and raised in Taiwan,
>just consider we are all Taiwanese. Let's work together for a better Taiwan.
>
>Come on, guys, don't be emotional anymore !
>

When it was around 1949, people moved around to avoid war and killing.
They moved from provinces to provinces.  As long as there was only one
legistimate political government, people don't really see who are WSR
and who are BSR that much.  Because this BSR can be a WSR tomorrow.  Now
the situation is that, the BSR in Taiwan will never(up to now) become a
WSR, and there are two legistimate political governments there.  Both of
them did not allow these WSR to go back to their own home town to
re-gain their BSR identities.  Such kind of situation lasts nearly
forty years.  It is the time(forty years), which is not too short to
make people take the problem easy, and which is not too long to let people
forget what was happened.  
 
Second, the government did not try to bridge the gap and improve the
relationship between these two.  No until recently.

Really, for those came after 1949, they are just as good as you and me.
They thought they could go back to their hometown after a year or two.
When they realise there was a dream, they have no choice but to stay.

I believe the ruling party should take the blame.  Unfortunately, most
of members in the government are so-called WSR.  Which, emotionally,
makes people think WSR should take the blame.  That sort of widens the
gap between these two.  Somehow, most of the WSR does not have any power
in the government.  They are just like you and me, a civilian.

Regards.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: From a woman's view on lightbulb
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:48:43 GMT

In article <BtCDr5.AAv@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:

>From another point of view, if the lightbulb adores you when she/he goes out
>with you two, you can "BUY ONE and GET ONE FREE".
> 
>
>---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
>      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo

Such a perfect explanation.  Since I took lots of adventage from this kind of
situation.

Dear Shuoh-Ren, I cheer you.

*** Excellent ***
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:36:12 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <92227.130430U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>, U38250@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

|> When I said "Who is to blame", I meant all the politicians that made this
|> historical tragedy were to blame. I explained that again in my second
|> followup, but people were just so preoccupied, so deeply emotional that
|> they did not want to read between the lines.

I am not blaming anybody especially you.
But be a little more specific would not hurt in the first place, right?
Especially on these touchy issues.

|> Come on, guys! My wife is a WSR, according to people's definition. My son
|> was born here in the U.S.. Tell me which catagory my son should be placed.
|> If you see this, Shao@ucsu, I'll tell you my son thinks he is American !
|> Yes, SO FAST !

I am interested to know how old is he?
My 7 year old cheer for all the chinese olympic teams and existed to see
everything about chinese. I just hope this will continue.
I know it is hard, but I think it is the parents' responsibility to
let them know their heritage and leave the choice to themselves.

|> All I wanted to said, initially, was that :
|> (1) A government or a political party should be responsible to what their
|> predecessor did. Open up their minds.
|> (2) No more WSR or BSR, please. If we were all born and raised in Taiwan,
|> just consider we are all Taiwanese. Let's work together for a better Taiwan.

Same feeling here.

|> Come on, guys, don't be emotional anymore !

You too.

You know, I am not out of my mind ("Is this person out of his mind?")
and I am not justify any wrong doings ("Is he trying to justify ...?")
either. At least I do not think so.

yu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yenwen Wang)
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:58:40 GMT

In article <CLAUDE.92Aug21124308@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
>>2. Terminate all coorperations with Taiwan.
>>3. Mainland will inherit Taiwan embassy property (I heard it is located
>>   the most expensive section of Seoul and worth billions of US dollars)
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                            ============================
>
>Don't you think this is exagerate??!? Was it an embassy or an entire city?

ROC embassy is located in Myundong(Ming2 Dong4), the Ginza of Seoul.
I was there last summer and the place is HUGE. It's walled(it was
inherited from the Ching Dynasty) and has an oversea Chinese school
in there. I also heard this is the place where Yuan2 Shi4 Kai3 trained
his troops.

Given the size and location, I wouldn't be surprised by a price tag in
the billions US dollars.
-- 
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  Yenwen Wang                        wangy@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu
  The Ohio State University          yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:07:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug12.190228.19166@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes...
 [ a lot of stuff deleted ]
 Even though I am a BSR and my grandfather generation suffered a lot from 228
 and I am a TI supportor , I still felt sad for what you have experienced of
 those hatred .
 The discussion of 228 is not to spread hatred toward each other , but to 
 recognize this as a sorrow history lesson which will teach us not to happen
 this again . But to do this first you got to find out the truth . There is
 recently a general saying " These are the past . All we have to do is working
 toward the future . So just forget about it ! "  This is not a good attitude
 toward this . This won't heal the past but just buried it with more hatred .
 I know many WSR suffered during the past 40 years as BSR . They came here with
 no property compared to BSR who has been here for hundreds of years . They were
 poor for their whole life . Because of KMT's recovery mainland myth , they 
 never want to root themselves in Taiwan . They can't enter the economic circle
 of Taiwan . Which damaged not their generation but their decendents also . 
 We know many " Juan4 Tsuan1 kids " have opposite type of growth : they are 
 either extremely good or became a member of gang . ( BSR at least has a lot
 more choices of setting himself in the society . I mean no harm to those WSR .
 They were the outsiders of the society . )
 But in the goverment , WSR ruled was a fact . This is still true till 1988 .
 BSR can't occupy important positions . The Finacial department and Economy
 department , the defence department , the agenda and army , BSR can't be
 the chief until President Lee's period . BSR always are the second at most .
 In cabinet , the only two chief BSR can be is Internal affair department and
 Transportation department . The KMT just let its few WSR friends share the
 cake and create that " BSR will kick out WSR once KMT falls " to get WSR's
 loyalty . This just deepen the scar between BSR and WSR . 

                                                           I Chung Lai

  PS : In my heart no matter you are WSR or BSR , I already thought you are
       Taiwanese , even though you think you are Chinese .
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:59:10 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>What is your problem? :_) Isn't politics a part of culture? Or isn't politics
>the single most important factor of culture? 

Nope, culture is a way of life subject only to spontaneous modifications
through generations.  Politics, on the other hand, is about public
affairs, is fluid, and can change over night. Do I answer your question? :-)
From: jc690196@express.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Jerng-Don Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: The first trial
Keywords: test
Date: 14 Aug 1992 04:22:11 GMT
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Taiwan LCD makers want in
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:18:37 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


[Excerpted from]
Electronic Englineering Times
August 17, 1992
[without permission]

By Alan Pattersion 

Taipei, Taiwan -- Spurred in part by the government's recently announced R&D
incentives for large-panel LCDs. Taiwanese manufacturers Picvue Electronics
and Unipac Optoelectronics have announced plans to enter the market for note-
book computer display.

The two domestic companies will give some competition to Japan's Hitachi Ltd. 
and Sharp Electronics Corp., which currently supply the bulk of Taiwan's note-
book LCD requirements from local production facilities in Kaohsiung. And with
Taiwan annual production of notebook PCs expected to reach half a million 
machines this year, other home-grown companies are looking seriously at LCD
production.
...
...
...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Subject: Je suis fatigue....
Reply-To: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:55:40 GMT

Okay, netters, I'm tired of this BSR vs WSR debate.

I got involved in this only because I wanted to explain why some BSR's
are having trouble dealing with WSR's.

I don't care about where you're from originally. As long as you really
care for and love Taiwan, and you think of yourself as Taiwanese, as
far as I'm concerned, you *are* Taiwanese.

I consider myself a Kaohsiung ren, Taiwanese, and Chinese.
And I'm also a New Yorker.

I'm leaving town later today for two weeks, so I won't be able to
post anything or write to anyone of you for a while.

And, I'm really tired of this subject.  I don't understand, though,
why some netters, after reading my articles, reacted as though their
"dog tail" has been stepped on!!

Let's go back to Brandon's FOOD articles!  Yum yum!

And Yu Chang, I commend you for being so open, sincere, and you3
feng1-du4 -- something I've yet to learn.   [sui2-xi3]

See you all!

-Charles


*** Om Ma-Ni Pad-Me Hung *** | "Hey, Charles, have you been 'waiting' all
============================ |  your life?" -- Thao D. "the creature" Vo
   Charles Wei-Ting Tang     | ===========================================
cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu  | 201 W.72nd St.,#8J, NYC 10023  212/580-5609
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 228? No Big Deal...
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:33:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Well, the title is kind of unloveable, but the points (which is not
characterized by the title) are valid.  1947 massacre has nothing to do
with 1949 immigrants/refugees for obvious chronicle reasons.  The fact
that the ROC-in-exile chose to transport treasures rather than fathers,
mothers, sons, daughters, wives, husbands, brothers, sisters, frineds,
etc. of those who emigrate to Taiwan shows how the regime cares there
own people.  Chinese witness of 228 refers tobacco venders as things
rather than human simply because he was used to the ROC standard of
human rights.  If Japanese treated Taiwanese as a herd of lifestock for
milk, ROC hunted fellow Chinese and Taiwanese alike for meat.  No rules
by force are just, but the fall of ROC in China is essential for China's
success today.  It also brought the ROC-in-exile under the dominance of
the US so Taiwan could continue its development.  No one can tell how
history would unfold had ROC survived in China and we should let the
past be the past.  What the big deal is about 1947 massacre and its
historical background is that it is one out of tons of lessons showing
us what destructions central Chinese government can bring to Taiwan.

I am surprised that people Garrison Command (Ching3-Chung3) still exist
in people's heart.  I know friends from Taiwan who returned Taiwan with
PRC citizenship and received all kinds of friendly services from
ROC-in-exile.  If you are worried about finding a good position in
Taiwan, maybe you should get married with Deng Xiao-ping's great
grandchild.  I am just joking if that is not obvious.

TY Huang 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u9130233@golum.riv.csu.edu.au ( Terminator II)
Subject: Re: An old joke about Taiwan and China
Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:26:51 GMT

    Do you think this is a joke?may i ask you is earth a part of
universe? do you think you are smart?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Jesse
Subject: Many ugly Yankees!!
Originator: cyen@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept .of UNT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:36:12 GMT

Hi folks, if you love our country, please finish reading this.

   I don't know how many Chineses feeling the same way about Americans.
If you have the same feeling, you should call "them" yankees. You know
yankees are another species of pigs.  Listen, I just said "them" in stead
of all.

   I saw many Americans have no sense of traffic rules. "They" left the
turning signals keeping on but never turn. "They" threw stuff out of cars
in highway. "They" turned right with left turn signal. "They" walked through
without paying attention to cars. "They" used high beam in two way traffic.
 
  I saw many Americans work very inefficiently. "They" always made mistakes
even a Chinese kid won't make. "They" won't process your business until you
request again and again. 
 
  I saw many Americans tell lies.  What "they" promised you is very easy to
forget. "They" smiled in front of you and kicked your ass in behind.
 
  I have many facts to prove what I have said. But I don't think it suits to
say here. My point is that many Chinese in Taiwan don't know the facts that
Americans have such dark side. They think the moon in US is bigger and brighter. 
  Every time the traffic in Taipei is discussed, the chaos is due to 
an unreasonable excuse:"We are Chinese."  They don't know Americans are as
same as Chinese.  Why is USA what it is now?  The spirit of being proud of
their nation is one of the main reasons. Maybe it's also a shortcoming, too.
Anyway, this kind of spirit is what Chinese need. 
 
  If you will go back to Taiwan in future, please don't forget to tell our
folks that Chinese are never worse than Americans.  Give our folks more
confidence.  Please do it for me and for you.  God bless our motherland, no
matter which party governs, no matter what name it will has.
 
  Thank you for your listening.

Jesse C Yen
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Languages vs. Dialects, suppression
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:55:28 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug18.184339.10343@wuecl.wustl.edu>, anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong) writes:

> Dialects should be mutually intelligible, such as Serbian & Croatian, or
> the different varieties of English worldwide. Cantonese and MinNan, for
> instance, are far far from being dialects of each other.
> 

	** I like to say: the unification of Chinese characters done
	   by the First Emperor of Chin was an superb superb job.

	   A side thought: how do we judge a person to be good or bad
	   (better or worse?)? Imagine how did the First Emperor unify
	   the written charaters? In a democratic way? Respect human
	   right?
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Translated Taiwanese Poem (5)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:25:27 GMT



	Hibernation	written by Xia4-Yu3
			translated by Kuo-Yeang Tsai

I simply want to store up enough love
enough tenderness and shrewdness
Lest that I should 
come to meet you after I wake up

I simply want to store up enough pride
enough solitude and indifference
Lest that you should
have been gone after I wake up
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: No Taiwanese?!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:45:10 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.000906.18004@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yenwen Wang) writes...
>[deleted] KMT male Legislator, Huang2 Ju3 Wen2,
>who said:
>    The WSRs came to Taiwan with bare butts(Guang1 Pee4 Gu3):-(

I feel sorry for him and KMT.

>People in the US commented on the recent resentment toward their
>elected Senators and Congressmen: "They simply reflect the quality
>of the people who elected them." How true!

I don't how true it is since US is quite different from Taiwan in terms of
the problems in the congress and senate, the election culture, and all the
things that make election happen that way in Taiwan and politicians talk
like that.

There is similarity by looking at a certain level of abstract, but as a whole,
the problems are quite different, from my own perception.
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ABC kids!
Keywords: Caucasian vs Asian-American
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:04:29 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Pei-Yuan Chang writes:
>
>   But, you know, everytime when I saw ABC kids, I can't stop but feel sorry
>for them.  I was just wonder that: can ABC get an identification from most
>Caucasians that ABC is also an American? (or can ABC kids get a sense of
>belongings?)   How will ABC feel if a Caucasian expect he/she to be able to
>speak Chinese?  Because once a Caucasian told me that "Connie Chung is a
>CHINESE!" (who may be regarded as an Asian-American by most of us, because she
>was born in USA, I think).
>
>   So I don't think I won't let my kids being an ABC.

I don't think you need feel sorry for American-born Chinese people.
I'm sure every generation has gone through this kind of emotion, where
the Jews wondered if they really wanted their kids to grow up
completely American, or the Germans, or the French.  And the problem
with language is also widespread.  Even the Olympic gold medalist
Pablo Morales, whose parents immigrated here from Puerto Rico (or
somewhere down there) made sure all their children spoke English so
they would not sound "foreign".

I can't speak for the rest of the country, but here in LA, with many
Asian reporters like Connie Chung, Tritia Toyota, Sandra Ling (?),
Bernard Noh, and a host of others, I don't think anyone has a problem
thinking of them as "American".  By the way, Connie Chung is a
well-known non-cook!

	-- Anita --

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From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The Movie Title
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:49:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug20.044802.17800@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, wcwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wei-Chi Wang) writes:
> 
> 	Once I got a chance listen a tape from Taiwan.  It's the music from 
> movie "Chia(1) Yuan(2)" (Homeland).  It's very impressive, and I like it.
> Is there anyone know the original English title of this movie?  Thanks.
> 
> 	Also, one puzzle (means I have the answer), there is an old movie
> named "Hu3 bao4 hsiao3 ba4 wang2" by Paul Newman & Robert Redford.  What is
> its original English title?
> 

It is called "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid".

"Rain drops keep falling on my head,
and they say that I never did good on my job,
.........
'Cause I never gonna to stop the rain by complainin',
.....
Because I am freeeeeeeeeeee ........."


This was once the most favorite song of the late President LBJ.

> 
> Wei-Chi Wang
-- 
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