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From: davel@ampex.com (Dave Larkins)
Subject: Re: All's straight in love and war
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:01:52 GMT

In article <4048@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>
>Oh, and I thought homosexuality WAS male bonding. Surely, the armed forces
>would be much better off if all recruits were gays?
>
>I think it pretty clear that the sentiments against removing the restrictions
>on gays in the military are exactly analagous to the earlier resistance to
>allowing non-whites in. All the arguments add up to nothing more than
>prejudice and I hope Clinton gets it through.

Interesting comparison, but as you will remember they first formed ethnic
batallions within the army, and I just got this mental flash of that dickhead
Clinton sending the 47th Light Armoured Gay Batallion to prevent civil war
in Bosnia!!!

>
>The only argument I can think of for keeping it is that it makes it fairly
>easy for anyone who wants to to get out. But that would not be fair to gays
>who want to get in.
>
>Jim Munro
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Subject: Re: Postperson Pat.
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:11:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.215359.24513@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

|> Now *here's* an interesting subject.  My daughter and nephews all
|> love Postman Pat.  The name can't be changed, nothing else will
|> scan.  "Postal Carrier Pat and his black & white cat.."  nah.
|> 'Postperson' is an abomination, of course.

There is the Scottish (is it Scottish? I've only heard it in Edinburgh)
word "Postie", which would scan.

John
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: seperate hot and cold water taps in the UK
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: University of Durham

There are a fair number of houses, restaurants, etc., which have combined hot and cold
water taps.  I should think the reason why the are separate is so that you can
alternatively scald and freeze your hands whilst washing them.

Makes sense to me.


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From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: M1, M4, M5, M6 & M25 - How long are th
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:49:53 GMT
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Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
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In article 727946840snz@kells.demon.co.uk, geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan) writes:
[deleted earlier thread
>A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
>have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
>in a hour or less.

If they can do that at 08:00 or 17:00 I will be *very* impressed!

Martin

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From: smackie@regal.cisco.com (Scott Mackie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:25:06 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems
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In article <C1DvK6.Dt4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
|>
|> I wouldn't think so at all!  IMNSHO, it would be the sheer power of the
|> US in economy and military.  Despite the recent "catch-up" played by 
|> other nations, the US is still *the* economic giant, with an 
|> INCREDIBLY person-oriented service economy, with services and goods
|> available that tend to boggle the mind of nearly any arrival to the US
|> [including the 'developed' nations].  The examples of how with luck
|> and drive, a single person can become stinking rich, and with less
|> luck *very* comfortable, the ultra-accesability to higher education,
|> the cheap land and buildings, consumer goods, food, and relatively
|> low tax rate.

Thanks for the best laugh I've had in ages, Brent. This *was* intended to be
a humorous message, wasn't it?

Ignoring the xenophobia (putting developed in quotes is the clue), I wonder if
you've actually ever *travelled* anywhere outside the US? Sure, the US is a
fine place to live, but it's not without it's problems.

Oh, and quoting cheap land and tax rates is misleading. Especially here in
California. And remember, in other less 'developed' countries, further
education is paid for through your taxes. It's not a privilege of those who
can afford it.

I'm not saying the US isn't a major power in the world - just don't puff up
stuff that just isn't true. 

|> THAT, when compared with what a resident here sees of other nations,
|> makes the US as Number 1 very real.

Having seen what the US media shows you of the rest of the world, Brent, I
suggest you get out into it and see it for yourself.

Might be an eye-opener.

|> Ak! Its 1992 tax|
|>  season! Yuck!  |

Well you shouldn't mind paying, anyway. Remember that "relatively low tax rate".

Clue meet Brent. Brent meet clue.

Scott...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Subject: Re: British computer companies
Keywords: british computers
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:20:59 GMT

In article <1262@bazooka.amb.org> cbenson@bazooka.amb.org (Christopher Benson) writes:
>In order to refute a claim of a co-worker here in California, I
>would like a quick list of British computer (hardware, complete
>systems) manufacturers. This does not have to be complete, but
>lets start with ICL.  I would like a few more names please.
>
Let's see were they the ones that the government sold off to
the Japanese, or the ones they sold off to the French?

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: guide dogs
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:20:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.102918.27971@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
}For obvious reasons this is directed at British readers.

Perhaps these reasons are obvious only to British readers.
Could you explain? The U.S. has far superior guide dog
breeding, training, and placement organisations both in terms
of quality and quantity.
-- 
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cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721	KotB		'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: guide dogs
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:38:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan26.112057.28412@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.102918.27971@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>}For obvious reasons this is directed at British readers.
>
>Perhaps these reasons are obvious only to British readers.
>Could you explain? The U.S. has far superior guide dog
>breeding, training, and placement organisations both in terms
>of quality and quantity.
>-- 
>Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
>cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
>DoD #721	KotB		'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
>"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett

I can't remember all of the details, but it seemed to me that the
person in need was going to be in England when he/she needed the
guide dog.  There is a 6 month quarantine for animals entering the
country (or is it the entire UK?), so a guide dog from the US would
be tied up in a kennel for 6 months while the person tried to
find other means of assistance.

Margaret
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:26:22 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

In article <C1C3CC.HGL@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>In article <C1C17o.29A@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>:>> If, indeed, it is not a question, then would it not be simpler to merely
>:>> say "hello"?
>:>But isn't "hello" just a contraction of "how the hell are ya"?
>:  No.  It's a contraction of "God be with you."
>
>Drole!
>
>In case anyone doesn't realise this is a joke, hello is derived
>from an old word used to call hounds.

... later on, to call hounds with persons attached to them. Nowadays 
the hound is no longer required. If you are sans hound, however, you 
have to listen to all hunting calls yourself and either bark back or 
just answer with a similar call.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: slking@staff.tc.umn.edu (Simon King)
Subject: Re: Exotic car rental/hire
Organization: Univ MN
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:14:34 GMT

In article <vince.12.728171159@bme.ri.ccf.org> vince@bme.ri.ccf.org (Geoff Vince) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
>Path: news.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!bme.ri.ccf.org!felix.bme.ri.ccf.org!vince
>From: vince@bme.ri.ccf.org (Geoff Vince)
>Subject: Exotic car rental/hire
>Message-ID: <vince.12.728171159@bme.ri.ccf.org>
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>Sender: usenet@bme.ri.ccf.org
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>Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:45:59 GMT
>Can anyone provide the address/or telephone number of companies in the UK 
>who rent/hire exotic sports cars.  I am particularly interested in the likes 
>of Porsche, Jaguar XJS, Lotus, Ferrari, etc.
>Thanks

Target Car Hire, Kidlington (just north of Oxford)
They seem to have most everything (definitely Ferraris, which were UKL250 
per day with own, fully comp, insurance two years ago!). Bound to be some "
Toy Shop" in London with more, though.

Planning to impress a date ? :-)
Simon
From: BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: london, england
Date: 24 Jan 1993 10:22:37 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <2343@sjfc.UUCP>,
dlm@sjfc.UUCP (Don Muench) writes:
>Yes, Sick Children's Hospital is a bit superfluous, I suppose.

   Someone was kind enough to write and explain to me that the phrase is
a holdover from the time when "hospital" just meant a place of care or
refuge, not necessarily just for sick people.

>
>Which reminds me of my German cousin's amazement when she saw the sign at
>Niagara Falls pointing to "Power Plant".
>

   I met a British women who was visiting California who got really
upset when she saw a sign on a bank saying "IRA CONTRIBUTIONS ACCEPTED
HERE!"  We had to restrain her from storming indignantly into the bank
to denounce them while we explained to her that in the US IRA means
Individual Retirement Account, a tax-sheltered private pension plan
which can be set up through a bank.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: UK Taps and Plumbing: The Truth (Was: taps etc)
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:56:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.140504.18463@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes:
> real state of affairs in the UK: you can have what you want. Personally we

Actually, Tim being youthful is entitled to be misleading.  Directly
heated hot water, in the US style, wasn't allowed up until a few years
ago.  I remember an American on the radio bemoaning this fact.  There
was some bogus argument about back siphonage or something.  Most houses,
therefore, are plumbed with a hot water tank fed from the mains.

US style hot water systems are more and more common as more houses are
built or replumbed after the changes in the regs.  Tim's house's
plumbing postdates the change.

ian
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British Sitcoms, etc.
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:20:45 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center



For the person writing about Good Neighbours, AYBS etc. -- there is anet
just for British comedy so you could try that one too. :-)  I agree
with you -- like that Penelope Keith!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Kells Consultancy
Reply-To: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:01:50 +0000

There seems to be have an *awful* lot of debate on the subject of
whether the US or somewhere else (UK, europe, etc) has the greatest
availability of consumer goods and services, with the underlying
assumption (or so it seems to me) that all the developing countries
in the world will naturally wish to catch up with the leaders
(whoever the hell they are) to and become first rate economic powers.

And I'm sure that they do.

There is a problem here, they can't.

A economy like America's or Britain's relys upon the cheap labour of
the under-developed nations - who do you think makes our cheap, easily
available consumer-crap?

The world's resources cannot indefinitely support more and more
consumers who want three new cars every year (and to throw away newly
manufactured goods on the altar of Market Forces).

So, IMO, all contributers who condone this ridiculous, wasteful, global-
suicide are (whether they know it or not) in the same camp as the old
european imperialists - sipping a pink gin whilst the darkies grew the
cotton.
-- 
      Geoff Landergan                         geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk
      Mitcham, Surrey, UK
      +44 81 646 2605
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: london, england
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:45:38 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <C15wpw.HIC@world.std.com>, eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:
> 
> The finanical section of London, UK is also called "The City". I have 
> several maps that call this section "CITY". I also noticed that regional
> names seem to be London centered, i.e. The North, The West County, etc.

That's the city of London, as opposed to the city of Westminster or Southwark.
And the regions aren't named with reference to London but to the whole country: 
the West country is the west of England (Wales being just Wales); the
South-East includes London and much that is North and West of it; the Midlands
is that large wodge of ex-industrial area in the middle of England.
-- 

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From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: london, england
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:02:53 GMT
Organization: The Cult of Dave Shariff Yadallee
Originator: geraint@clts1.comlab

gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk quote(?) and wrote:
(  >the West country is the west of England (Wales being just Wales); 
 ) 
(  Except that you might have expected the west of England to refer to
 ) areas like Herefordshire and Shropshire, when it actually refers to
(  areas like Somerset and Gloucestershire.

Except that Cumberland and bits of Lancashire are quite 
as far West as Somerset and well west of Goucestershire			g
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But then Cumberland is no more England than is Cornwall.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Kells Consultancy
Reply-To: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:21:57 +0000

Is there a newsgroup for english pendants anywhere?
Still, give me hair-splitting over jingoism anyday...

In article <C1GFMA.MMK@newcastle.ac.uk> Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

>>>(And please note that my use of the word "prejudice" in this sense is
>>>not meant to be perjorative - it is simply a suitable term to describe
>>>the type of unconsciously weighted view to which I refer.)
>
>>Then the word you are looking for is 'bias'.
>
>        No it isn't.  The appropriate word is 'prejudice'.  As in...
>
>'bias' n. slant; one-sided inclination; bent swaying impulse ...
>
>'prejudice' n. bias, partiality; pre-conceived opinion ...
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>(Definitions taken from Collins, since my trusty OED is at home.)
>
>        The only meaning of the word bias that gets anywhere near the
>concept that I was trying to convey is "one-sided inclination" (and
>that is still some way from the mark).  The word prejudice, on the
>other hand, does capture the intended concept of "pre-conceived
>opinion" - as the definition so clearly illustrates.

I think we must have different copies of Collins, from mine:

'prejudice' n. 1. an opinion formed beforehand, esp. an unfavourable one
                  based on inadequate facts.

'bias'      n. 1. mental tendency or inclination, esp. irrational
                  preference or prejudice.

I don't think there's enough difference between the two to justify
my earlier posting, or any further argument, though for myself I shall
continue to use 'bias' as a lesser form of 'prejudice'.

>        Perhaps my use of the phrase "unconsciously weighted view"
>clouded my meaning somewhat.  If that is so, please allow me to offer
>my apologies.  (Although I hoped that it would have been clear from
>what I was writing at the time that I was, in fact, referring to
>prejudice - pure and simple.)
 ^^^^^^^^^
 Yes you were, absolutely right.

>        An interesting note on this point (well, interesting to me
>anyway) is that I even had to include the above quoted caveat in the
>first place.  The negative connotations of the word prejudice seem to
>have become so fixed in the public mind that to accuse someone of being
>prejudiced is often interpreted as a grave insult and one has to be
>careful not to give offence when using the word in everyday
>conversation.

from Collins again:-

'prejudice' n. 3. intolerance of, or dislike for, people of a specific
                  race, religion, etc.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Americanisms (was Re: Back from the UK
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:45:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.145938.5112@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.134735.9688@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>
>>Where DO they get them from? No-one here is denying that
>>America is the greatest, most wonderful, freedom-loving,
>>oportunity-giving  etc. etc. motherhood and apple pie etc. etc.
>>etc. country in the world, but I am sorry, to the British ear,
>>all American accents sound much the same. 
>
>Well, maybe they do to yours, Matthew.  I can certainly tell a New
>England accent from a West Coast one, or an accent from the Deep
>South.  I'm sure my ear isn't anything like as discriminating as an
>American's, but I can at least make broad distinctions.

Oh, but you must be mistaken.  Matthew very specifically said
"to the British ear, all American accents sound much the same."
How all the British manage to get by with one ear between them is
truly amazing.  :-)

>
>>By which I mean there
>>are certain features which are common to most American accents,
>>but only found in some British accents.
>
>And I'm sure an American would say exactly the same thing the
>other way round.  Remember Dick van Dyke's accent in "Mary Poppins"?
>

Point made, and in a very grisly fashion I'd say. (shiver)
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Charles's DNA tested to prove not illigitimate
Date: 24 Jan 93 11:03:19 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:

>On the current issue, any child born to a married woman is assumed (in law)
>to be legitimate. So in law, Charles is legitimate, never mind what people
>say or think.

   Yes but remember it is only very recently that the DNA tests have
become available. 
>Finally, to wpcoyne : do you realize what you're saying ? You mean you'd
>rather have Andy ? or Edward ? They would the next in line.
>(Somebody is bound to put his foot in his mouth on that one, so let me
>explain : if you bar Charles from the succession because of illegitimacy,
>then that also applies to his children).

   Charles only requires one qualification for the job of MOnarch 
and that is that he is a legitimate child.  There are several
other candidates available, so maybe before he is hired the validity
of his qualifications should be checked :-)

    After all he gets a job for life, personal ship and plane, multi-
billion pound tax free (well so far anyway) inheritence and he gets
to have his face on all the stamps and all the notes and coins 
produced by UK plc.

>Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com

   REMEMBER FOLKS 
   the UK monarchy is a truely democratic institution in contrast to 
    the US presidency because in theory EVERYONE is in the succession
    list regardless of wealth, education, nationality, race, sex, etc
    etc,   
             (and after you have listed all 6 billion or so humans
               you then start on non-humans :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:58:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.170633.16723@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <CAH.93Jan21145806@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk> cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
>>
>>To start another thread. How anyone can put up with the impersonal
>>"Have a nice day" without screaming back "Go f*ck yourself"/"Do you
>>know me?"/"Do you really care?", I'll never know.  How can there be
>>any sincerity wrapped up in this throwaway expression? Answers
>>required to (i) how prevalent this is, (ii) what net-people think
>>of the practice? (iii) examples from Britain.
>
>	With great difficulty, especially after a friend of mine
>	was questioned by the Athens (Georgia) police with a
>	shotgun in his ribs.  After the minor misunderstanding
>	(he was not the murderer) had been cleared up, the officers
>	climbed back into the cruiser with a farewell of "Y'all
>	have a nice day now."

Other ones that really confuse me are "How are Y' doing ?" or
"Howzit Going ?"  Sometimes a reply is required, other times not.
I tend to get it wrong every time. This results is a very surprised
or upset person ... :-).

	Paul Taylor

-- 
  Paul Taylor pault@ossi.com
"Broadcasting from the mess tent at Much Binding in the Marsh"
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From: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan)