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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:21:21 EST
From:         Jake <ST102315@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Time signatures

>On a related track: what I always find fascinating is how some composers are
>able to use non-conventional time-signatures and make them sound like e.g. a
>straight 4/4.  I mean: they use strange signatures in a non-obvious way.
>E.g. Brubeck's "Take Five" has a very nice swing and it wouldn't be a problem
>to dance to it, even though it's not 3/4, 4/4 or 6/8.  Same holds for
>"Everything's allright" (from Jesus Christ Superstar) which is also 5/4
>but sounds very "normal" - i.e. "4/4-ish".

I know what you're talking about.  When I was in high school, the band
did a march in 5/4...sounded perfectly natural, though I'm glad we didn't
actually have to march to it.  (I reckoned I'd need two and a half feet if
we did.)  Unfortunately, I don't remember the title, which brings me to
my next topic (also based on ignorance and 5/4)....

Last year, I heard an arrangement of Desmond's _Take Five_ that was in
4/4 time...it sounded completely bizarre, and seemed like a completely
strange concept.  (It's like if someone decided to rewrite "Saint Louis
Blues" in 3/4.)  Anyone have any idea where I could have heard this?

Waiting eagerly for a response,
jwgh
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In article <ALLMUSIC%93012616302688@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET writes:
>Did you ever get a listen to that Miles CD from November of 1967 in Paris?
>I'm submitting the "Round Midnight" from that CD for the newest allmusic
>compilation.
>
>And what did you think of the videotape I sent you? The one of Miles live
>in '66, '67, and '68?

those tapes are the greatest.  i just wish the quality was better, but
you can't have everything.  i don't think i heard the 67 paris sets.
i have the one that is later, i think in 69, with jack, chick, wayne,
and dave.

>I never did get back to you about taping some more Miles for me; I really
>should. Bought Big Fun the other day and simply love side 3, the one that
>sounds like Jack Johnson's first cousin. What other Miles stuff can I get
>that sounds like JJ? I've got In A Silent Way, and it's like a mellow JJ.
>What about the second album of Directions? I've heard the first album, but
>the library's copy was missing the second one. If you have Directions, I'd
>sure love a copy of that. I'm really starting to get into the late 60's
>early 70's Miles stuff more. (With the exception of Bitches Brew which I
>still can't listen to very much, but haven't listened to it in months, so I
>should really try again.)

there isn't that much, i.e. with the bare bones quartet.  about all you
can do is make sure you have Water Babies, Circle In The Round, and
Directions.  I don't know what side Ascent is, but that is a beautiful
ballad.  The rest of the stuff is quite nice.  You know it is from the
Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Live-eviL period, but it isn't anything like
any of that.  I don't have it on vinyl,
I had a friend of mine send me a cassette dub when I was still in
Europe.  So I never bought it on vinyl, and I am hoping they put it out
on CD like they have with Circle In The Round.  I haven't seen that even
as an import, although I am certain it exists.  It has a tune called
Willie Nelson, the second of the 3 Miles' Nelsons.  Can you name the
other two?

Jeff
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Subject:      Re: Sorry, can't resist...

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:14:40 PST BREATHING THE FALL OUT IN OUT IN OUT IN OUT IN.
>with a microphone completely placed inside the box of the Pignose?
>I'm going to have to try that out.  Fuzz-o-rama.  Leonard, you
>have to check the Pignose out in your neck of the woods, just fer fun.

It's funny you should mention the Pignose, I ride to work with a charming
young lady and i get off work b4 her and wait. Yesterday i had a small
headless guitar with me playing in the car, i was thinking about a portable
headphone amp, but now you've gave me the right idea for playing while i
wait........thanks.........L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:24:00 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:08:00 N Out, out - you'll not feel the fall-out... said:
>        Gabriel has produced probably some of the best videos of history,
>though I admit I haven't seen "Digging In The Dirt" yet. "Shock The Monkey",
>"I Don't Remember" and "Sledgehammer" are masterpieces in themselves. Also,

I've seen Digging (it must get alot of "screen"-play because i see it in
passing quite a bit) and of course Sledgehammer, i'm not a video
kinda guy, but the word masterpiece doesn't fit those two videos. The video
I liked (I'm sure i'm alone here) is Thriller, i think it was a fore-runner
to what's being done today, and would come closer to being a "masterpiece"
but like i said i'm not into videos so i'm really "clue-less" on the subject.
I guess it also depends on what you consider a masterpiece, i can't think of
but a handful of masterpieces of modern music and no videos .......L.W.

New Thread (maybe): Name what you beleive is a modern masterpiece of music
                    entire album or just a tune........?

Why do people (including myself, sometimes) think that artists/musicians are
different...? Example, talking to a doctor about the local Symphony not playing
for 1/2 pay, he said that if they cared about the "arts" they would've and i
wanted to respond that if he cared about mankind he would charge patients 1/2
price. Artists are supposed to do it cuz they love it, but what bout doctors
lawyers (sorry Marsha)....etc. Why can't artists make money and not be termed
a sell-out or not-caring about the arts......L.W.
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>    Here is a parallel with science: there are 'real scientists' who
>make the discoveries, advance their fields, etc., and there are
>'popularizers of science' who make those discoveries available to many
>people outside the narrow circle of specialists by putting complex ideas
>into a form that can be easily digested by dilettantes. And so do some
>composers. And ALW is one of them. And while the 'popularizers'
>don't contribute directly to whatever they are describing,
>they are partially responsible for general public's education, which is
>not that bad, if you think about it.

  Ilia makes a good analogy...but....

  Well, I'll just say that I've met few "popularizers" of
science that I really like.

  (And I'm changing my mind about my previous post anyhow.
I think of ALW less as 'crossover' and more as 'popularizer.'
Two very different things.  In fact, I think much of this
stuff labelled crossover is like that.  _Hush_, for example.
Bleah.)

                           -Tim
From: u0d05@keele.ac.uk (PG Herzberg)
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I don't know if you haven't heard this before but some of you may not
have (maybe its explained in the musical somewhere I don't know)
but... Oh Calcutta is a play on words it should Oh quel cul tu
as!(sp?) Which is oh what a nice arse you've got! in English.

Sorry if this is common knowledge and I'm boring you all.

Paul Herzberg.
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Thank you all for your replys (whether they be nice or not)

The only reason I say that they deem it alternative is because I don't go
to a record store saying, "Hmmm, I"ll buy something alternative."  If I
hear something I like, I buy it.  As it turns out, most of my stuff could
be classified as alternative.  Now I think that labeling music is just a
marketing type of thing...you call them alternative, you get one kind of
audience, you call it bee-bop, you get another kind of audience.

I have my own opinion on the question of "is alternative becoming the
mainstream?"  I think that there's a difference.  Alternative isn't
becoming anything...its a pretty broad term...it covers everything from
Nine Inch Nails to Sarah McLachlan...Mainstream is becoming
alternative...somehow, they are reaching over and finding that they like
these various types of music.  Personally, if a group "makes it big", I'm
not going to stop listening to them...I think success can challenge a
group and possibly make them better.

Thank you again.

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Get back in bed.
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Songwriters
              26 Jan 1993 14:08:38 -0700 from <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:08:38 -0700 Robert Garret Gruhn said:
> >Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Glad i asked, Harry Chapin, Bob Dylan, early Paul Simon, John Hiatt, Willie
Dixon (sorry had to ad a bloozeman)...........L.W.
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Subject:      DAMASCUS

Hi, again...

JUST got a tape in today, from a 'christian' (wotever
THAT means) rock group called Damascus... regardless
of their particular perversion, i.e., religion, this
is a HOT tape!

Has ANYONE out there heard them before?  They hail
from somewhere in Illinois, or at least that's
where their agent's from!  Quite interesting, &
not nearly as 'sappy' as I feared!

ZZAJ
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From:         a memory engraved upon your soul <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      natt johnson

syncronicity strikes.

i got the latest 4ad newsletter in today's mail. down at the bottom of
page two, there is a note that matt johnson's _burning blue soul_ will
be reissued on cd on april 27 in the united states. neato keen. no
mention of extra tracks, but it will feature all new artwork.

we've had to wait 12 years for an american release of this creature,
but boy will it be worth it.

woj
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From:         a memory engraved upon your soul <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Automatic Baby

yeah, i missed the inaugural ball thing the night it actually happened
(stranded in spain, you know), but i did watch the automatic baby thing
saturday night when they rebroadcast it. i liked it - and managed to
tape the thing as well for posterity.

someone else summed it up pretty well on another list:

"hey, you got some larry mullen in my mike mills!"

"hey, you got some michael stipe in my adam clayton!"

:)

woj
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>OUAC: Urban Ambience will be playing live on the Brandeis U. radio station,
>WBRS, 100.3 MHz or so, Friday night from 9:30 until we break all our strings.
>
Y'know Bloomie, you're a tease! I never get to hear this stuff! Do you guys
have any CD's out or somethin'? Ever get out to Chicagoland?


>From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
>Subject:      Re: A cappella, A cappella, A cappella, A cappella, A cappella
>
>> >The Bobs - Great! At times quirky, but never dull. Probably the most
 original
>> >           of the groups here and one of the most fun.
>>
>> Aren't they great! They perform live a lot - I'll post a calendar soon.
>
>Yeah, they're coming to Boston in the spring, courtesy of World Music Inc.,
>the same organization that booked the Tuvan throat singers (who weren't just
>a cappella, but were consistently amazing).
>

You really should go see them. I've never seen them live, but I'm told
they're ten times bettern in concert. That's pretty damn good considering
that IMHO they are fabulous even on my cheap stereo!. If you want to sample
them before seeing them, let me know - I'll send a tape. I'll expect a
review if you go...I'm jealous - they generally don't make it to the
Midwest....



>
>Little known fact: half a dozen of the Bubs sang on my recording debut, a tune
>called "Haircuts," appearing on the first _Lyrics by Ernest Noyes Brookings_
>album (on the Shimmy-Disk label). They were great: picked up the tune I wanted
>them to sing immediately, and then started to play with it: one guy sat down
>at the piano and did a Gilbert and Sullivan pastiche of it! Apologies if I've
>already tooted this particular horn...

Ah - an album!!!! I must hear this! What year did you do this? Was Deke
Sharon one of the Bubs then?

>
>> >Hodja - Binghamton Crosbys : The first tune and I was already snapping
 along.
>> >                             Wonderful combination of voices...
>
>This tune is also from that Todd Rundgren album called _A Cappella_. You can't
>miss it in the record store: on the cover, Todd is sitting in front of a studio
>microphone, wearing an Indonesian ritual mask. One tune rips off the "Ketjak"
>monkey chant, a Balinese pageant based on the _Ramayana_ (as is nearly every
>traditional performance piece in the entire culture).

I just placed my order for it from CD Connection - should be here soon!
I've gotten real good revies of it - I hope it's as good as they say...

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
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> >Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

> Andrew, being the type who likes good girls who go sexy, casts his vote
> for Debbie Gibson. It's amazing what happens to a person once she hits
> drinking age.

> ----------
>       If you consider people's everyday lives to be rubbish,
>       then there's something wrong with you!
>                         --Deborah Gibson (_Between the Lines_)


Wow! The Rev. Bob is gonna be doing backflips when he sees this one.
And look Bob! he even called her Deborah! Bob's got a woodie, I know it.

Seeya,
Gary

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My friend and I have been arguing for quite some time now about the age
of the chic in the Chris Isakk video wicked game.  If any one knows her
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                                      Peace, Love,
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Subject:      Richard & Linda

Mike: the only 2 albums I have are _Pour Down Like Silver_ and _Shoot
Out The Lights_. My friend who lived in San Fran. for about 10 years
taped them for me, so I don't have the liner notes or anything. But I
agree mith Mr. Bloom that these 2 are very strangely melancholy, ethereal.
Some of the songs Linda sings conjure up visions of someone languidly
floating along, eating mushrooms, and playing with a stiletto for that
'special someone' ;) I'm dying to hear more of their stuff - my buddy
had quite a collection, as well as the Sandy Denny collection, which
seemed to glow on the turntable as I listened in ecstasy. Good luck with
the path - I've got to expand my collection.

Also, I was immensely jealous hearing of you guys out in S.F. - it's my
favorite city by far. I still have a couple college buddies there or in
Oakland, but now that I've moved away from San Diego, it's tough to get
back out - I think the last time was summer, '88. Anyway, bye - enjoy !

                                                 ...Walt...
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bloomisupercalifragilisticexpialadocious sez:
>I dunno, woj, I still think the semantics of it are important and ultimately
>extremely harmful. The idea is that if you don't like "pop," then we'll sell
>you this "alternative," and if you don't like that, well then, you have no
>other alternative, maybe you just don't like music! Well, I *do* like music,
>and I resent having my tastes rendered invisible!

well, my stance at this point borders on uncaring now. i don't really care
what the label scum (tm) call "alternative" cos i listen to whatever i dang
well feel like. i've just gotten tired of screaming and yelling about this
is alternative and this is not, so i just sorta gave up on it. if someone
i know wants to broaden their musical horizons, i'm more than happy to help
out, but i no longer have the energy to do that forcibly (imagine, if you
will, a chair with straps surrounded by speakers...carol's new sex toy? no.
it's the musical indoctrination center in my basement!).

the semantics are only important if you are on a crusade to free the minds
of the 120 minuteheads. i just don't bother anymore. if they are comfortable
in their delusion that alternative rock is the end-all be-all of whatever
it is that alternative is, so be it. if they aren't, well, sooner or later,
they'll walk in to my apartment when i'm playing henry cow, ingrid karklins,
miladoiro or folk music from newfoundland.

your disgruntlement is noted and reasonable, but i can't bring myself to get
worked up about this.

woj
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Rarely has a harvest on allmusic offered so many invitations to serious
wrong-talking.. and someone actually had the 180-proof taste to encourage
me to dump on ALW? Okay, sports fans:
  Ladies and gentlemen of the list (strike out where not applicable), the
80s, like its spiritual parent the third reich, is OVER. Potato-witted
defenses of moral and artistic relativism--in the name of justifying
vast wealth for tone-deaf scuzzbags--won't cut it anymore. Andrew Lloyd
Webber a *popularizer*? An EDUCATOR? That's like calling John Dillinger
a financier or Oliver North a Christian. What the hell kind of backhanded
compliment is to say that you walk out of his shows whistling the set?
Webber is completely incapable of sustaining musical thought for more than
four bars. And that, I've finally realized, is the secret to his success.
His "fans," the present-day public, is so freaked out and fucked up that they
can't concentrate for more than a few seconds. In consequence, they are
completely incapable of pleasure. (This is very ironic, since they reject
music for ALW on the theory that his arsenic-laced oatmeal is more "pleasing")
For, comrades, one common feature to the joys of, say, Mississippi John
Hurt's three-minute songs & Mahler's 90 minute symphonies is the cumulative
feeling of time. Bluntly, crudely (so the 80s is over, big deal; now it's
the fucking 90s): the more you pay attention, the more it's WORTH IT. There
are connections galore between ALL the moments: it's called musicianship,
it's called music. With ALW, it just plain doesn't matter what you do.
The experience is emotionally flat and, apparently, prized as such.
  And THAT brings us to tirade the second: Beermeister imagines Reaganite
exile will be made more tolerable by listening to Boulez playing Sacre &
Lulu? BOULEZ? That insensitive, politically-hyperactive weasel? That
schmuck who thinks that meaning is waste of time which won't advance his
career? That Bismarck with a math degree? I know FZ reveres him--but even
great folk have their eccentricities; Pops loved Lombardo, and that parallel
ain't far off at all. The guy's a complete sonofabitch, and rarely has
any musician--Herbie Mann comes to mind--made that fact so audible. You
want Lulu Suite? Check a real musician like Abbado! Never mind the cardboard
posturing, the "Holy shit, I'm so hip I can wee wee on the score!," get
the fuck down to the music, and ditch that French jackanapes. Thank you.
In conclusion:
I'm King Kong, don't fuck with me!
Sincerely,
Michael
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