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From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: How do you brake for turn?
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:34:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.215426.23235@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG) writes:
|> There seems to be several possible techniques for braking
|> 1. Brake before downshifting (holding clutch in)
|> 2. Brake after downshifting (using engine to slow one down first)
|> 3. Brake while downshifting letting clutch out between gears
|> 4. Brake while downshifting holding clutch in
|> Have I left any out?
|> Is one technique better than the other for racing? Are they all used
|> depending on the situation? Which technique would be used for a 1st
|> gear corner after a 100mph straight?
|> 

  At PIR (160 - 170mph straight to 80mph corner on an 1100), I've found
that braking first, downshifting later wokrs best.

  If you think about it, you want to brake as quickly as possible.
In order to do this, you wouldn't want to be wasting time shifting
during initial braking - This rules out #3.  Also, the engine could assist
you while breaking, so you wouldn't want to hold the clutch in - 
this rules out #1.  Both of thease resons rule out #4.

  #2 wouldn't do you much good, since your engine would either be revving 
way too high, causing the rear wheel to lock, or you'd have to let off
the gas way too early to have any hope of the engine slowing you down.
It kinda defeats the purpose of brakes....

  What I usually do is to go WFO until I hit my braking reference point.
I then pop as much of my body into the air (every bit helps :->) suddenly
and grab the brakes very hard.  At the same time, I close the throttle
completely.  After I slow considerably, I am reducing my pressure on the
brake lever.  At this time (after I've clipped off a good 60-70 mph), I
begin to downshift...bang ! bang!...two quick ones, just before I flop
it over to enter the turn.

  I've found that I get into the turn the best if I'm downshifting
just as I'm finishing up my braking and the very next thing I have to do
is to lean the bike over.  

  

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|  "Just a little too much right hand and the Australian Grand Prix is over  |
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From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: HELMETS:Arai only
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:08:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1avoa8INN405@agate.berkeley.edu>, jeff@ieor-next1.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Louie) writes:
> 
> In article <9210052200.aa29015@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> swollny@bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU  
> writes:
> > I was wondering if someone could tell me the real difference between
> > the Arai:  Quantum, Regent, and the Signet.
> 
> I haven't tried a Regent, but the main differences between a Signet and a  
> Quantum are:
> 
> 	1)  Quantum's weigh less than a Signet
> 	2)  Quantum's have a vent on the top of the helmet that can
> 		be positioned to either intake fresh air into the 
> 		helmet or exhaust air out of the helmet; the vent
> 		also helps dampen helmet lift as it provides turbulence
> 		for oncoming wind
> 	3)  Quantum's come with a chin cover
> 	4)  Quantum's are newer than Signets
> 
The other BIG difference I noticed is that the Quantum is shaped much 
differently than the Signet.  Signets fit me great.  Quantums feel (to me)
more like a Shoei RF200.

- Mark


> 
> Jeff Louie
> jeff@motorrad.Berkeley.EDU
> '91 GSXR750	(not for racing)
> '86 EX250	(for racing purposes only)
> AFM# 759  (butt slow, but hey, someone's gotta be last!)
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Steering dampers
Keywords: worthwhile?  Brands?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:24:30 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.racing
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

I just bought a bike that spent a season or two under Team Hammer and Roswell
Racing.  The bike is in good condition, but a number of things were removed
for the racetrack that I'm putting back on.  

Curious, to me, is that the steering damper is missing.  I know that some
riders prefer not to use one (to quicken steering?) but I also thought that
the GSXRs had a reputation for vicious head shake.  What is the net.concensus
regarding steering dampers?

I'm planning on putting one on the bike, but don't know what brand to get.
I imagine that the stock Suzuki damper is more than adequate for the street,
but if I'm going to pay that cash, I might as well get a good one.  Any
recommendations? 

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:01:42 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How do you brake for turn?

Howdy,

barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG) writes:
> 1. Brake before downshifting (holding clutch in)
> 2. Brake after downshifting (using engine to slow one down first)
> 3. Brake while downshifting letting clutch out between gears
> 4. Brake while downshifting holding clutch in

#3 is probably the most used, judging from sight+sound of other riders
at the races.  It's the technique I use when riding 4 strokes, and
about half the time when riding 2 strokes.  I use #4 (sorta) on the RZ
when I'm going from high to low speed (like into turn 12 at Nelson).
I found that I was able to brake much better if I concentrated on
maximum braking and just slammed the gear lever down 3 times.
Generally, I did this without using the clutch.  This seemed to help
my speed, though it's probably not great on the gearbox.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: FZR400
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:11:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: hints

In article <1992Oct12.125258.12124@hemlock.cray.com>, tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak) writes:
|> 
|> I have sold my GS500 for $1800 and will be getting an FZR400 for $2000. Not a 
|> bad upgrade. Any final things I should check out on the FZR400 before I make

not bad at all!  $1800 for your GS?!?  wow.

|> -- 
|> Take care,
|> 
|> Todd Blachowiak 
|> KotD #0004

axel
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: How do you brake for turn?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:49:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4vE2.3wA
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Oct14.215426.23235@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG) writes:
>There seems to be several possible techniques for braking
...
>Is one technique better than the other for racing?

  #3
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: HELMETS:Arai only
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:44:06 GMT

In article <weobTD_00YUnNlgFtV@andrew.cmu.edu> Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Howdy,
>
>swollny@bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
>
>> I would also like to get some info on racing boots.  I already have a
>> Fieldsheer leathers.  Thanks,  Samantha (Sammy for short)
[boot description deleted]
>
>The boots I have?  I've got Bieffe Pro Race boots.  They pretty much
>don't have any of the features I described above ;-)  Zipper closure,
>brass studs on the outside of the boot (which lasted about 10 seconds,
>now I'm wearing holes in the leather), no ankle protection to speak
>of.  They've protected me in about 5 get-offs however...
>
>Hope this helps.  Good luck with racing.

It's been a LONG time, but if Scott still makes their plastic/steel boots, they
might be worth considering.  The big deal with them is that they pivot where
your ankle bends.  Most boots bend about a handsbreadth above the ankle -
meaning a possible bone break there.  [I'm about to show my age] Cycle did
a feature article years ago on them.  The Xrays alone were worth looking
at.  The boots were designed for dirt bikers, who tend to fall off more
often than pavement guys.  The orthopedic surgeon they talked to really
liked them.  The kneecap protector might make them too tall, and I don't
know if they work with leathers really well.  The motocross riders really
took to them in a big way.

Neil Kirby

Any lurkers out there with a pair of these beasties want to comment?
>
From: ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU (Ray Hixon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: WERA Singles at Talladega GPR
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:35:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Just got back from Talladega after (finally!) a good weekend
with the Big 591.  Unfortunately, John Kennett didn't get his
Max Wedge 591 together in time, but he'll hopefully have it
together for the finals.  But Greg Alt ('91 Expert Clubman
National Champion) and Sammy Brown (soon to be the '92 Novice
Clubman National Champ) were both there.

I had a new intake manifold on the bike, and it was really
running well (which I needed after sitting out the last Savannah
race due to intake manifold leaks).  I crashed in the second
practice Saturday while executing a boneheaded late-braking
maneuver going into the 90's (running clockwise), but picked
it up and was out again in the next practice.  Jonathan Creel
wasn't so lucky with his SRX-600, though -- it ventilated its
cases with the con rod (which ended up in the transmission),
and he bounced down about half of the front straight before
stopping (luckily unhurt).

In the heats, I ran away in Clubman and Twins, with Sammy also
beating Greg Alt and taking second overall in Clubman.  To Alt's
credit, though, he was only trying to qualify for the final, so he
wasn't running hard.  In D Super, I lost to Aaron Yates on his RZ350.

Then on Sunday, I again ran away in Clubman (though Alt led for most
of the first lap).  Sammy came in second overall, after a great ride, 
but didn't get within striking distance of me.  In Twins, I 
intimidated a Hawk rider in the first turn to get the lead, and
ran away again.

In D Superbike, Paul Wright on his FZR400 took the lead into the
first turn, and I spent the rest of the race trying to get to 
grips with him.  I got close enough to show him a wheel in the
last turn of the last lap, but backed off so as not to take both
of us down on the last lap.  But I took second, and ran a fastest
lap of 1:02.44 on Metzeler racing Comp K's (and ran with a FZR-400
on Michelin radial slicks...).  So, not too bad (he says as he
nurses his shredded left fingers...

At the finals, I'm going to try Michelin radials, and run V5 (to
warm up for Clubman), Clubman, Unlimited Twins, and D Superbike.
Should be interesting, and I'm looking forward to it...
-- 
Ray Hixon
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ae219rh
Internet: ae219rh@prism.gatech.edu
From: jeff@ieor-next1.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Louie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: HELMETS:Arai only
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:28:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: leerdam.berkeley.edu

In article <9210052200.aa29015@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> swollny@bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU  
writes:
> I was wondering if someone could tell me the real difference between
> the Arai:  Quantum, Regent, and the Signet.

I haven't tried a Regent, but the main differences between a Signet and a  
Quantum are:

	1)  Quantum's weigh less than a Signet
	2)  Quantum's have a vent on the top of the helmet that can
		be positioned to either intake fresh air into the 
		helmet or exhaust air out of the helmet; the vent
		also helps dampen helmet lift as it provides turbulence
		for oncoming wind
	3)  Quantum's come with a chin cover
	4)  Quantum's are newer than Signets

As for fit, a helmet should fit snugly over where your forehead meets the liner  
of the helmet.  You should be able to feel it, but no so much as to cause  
discomfort, as on a long trip this would cut off blood circulation to your  
forehead area.  You should also try to minimize the amount of movement the  
helmet has when you have it on and strapped.  This will help prevent added  
secondary motion should you and the helmet hit a hard surface.  Also don't  
forget that as the liner is made more or less from a form of styrofoam, it will  
over time compress during normal use making it feel looser (no, your head isn't  
shrinking).  Shoei's are known for this.

Jeff Louie
jeff@motorrad.Berkeley.EDU
'91 GSXR750	(not for racing)
'86 EX250	(for racing purposes only)
AFM# 759  (butt slow, but hey, someone's gotta be last!)
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: phone number for WERA GNF tickets
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.racing
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



The phone number for WERA itself is (803)681 9372.  I'm sure they can
steer you right.

Rich
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Homemade Alarm / Kill-Switch
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:16:45 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: >                    toggle
: >         ignition   switch           ground
: >            {o}         /              _
: >             |      ___/_             ___
: >             |     [_____]           _____
: >             |      I I I              |
: >             \------o | |              |
: >   -   + -------------o o--------------o######o            /
: >   [___]                                      |-----------[|
: >  battery                              mercury             \
: > 		                       switch           siren  
: > 
: One comment on this alarm.  Make sure your wire is heavy enough
: gauge, and the toggle switch is rated for the huge amperage which
: will hit when you flip the switch and connect the + of the 
: battery directly to ground.  Also be sure you do this in a well
: ventilated area so that any gas fumes won't be lit by the sparks.
: Matt

	He's right, you need to put your ground after the resistance
	producing objects.  ie the switch and the siren. Otherwise you
	have a fine example of how to make a short circuit.  You might
	also want to incorporate a fuse into the system before the
	switch. 



i|i|i|-----Fuse----Switch----mercury switch----siren----ground

		any electronics people out there know if this is right???


		Ryan
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: rec.moto.tech
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:40:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct9.154010.4175
Followup-To: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1b23ubINN8se@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick) writes:
>In a previous article, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) said:
>:- >
>:- >	articles. i still love the usual rec.moto noise, but a lesser
>:- >	noise, tech-oriented group sounds fun.
>:- 
>:- Do you *REALLY* think that the noise wouldn't follow.  I'll bet it would.
>:- 
>
>	i really think the noise will not follow, because people
>	who make noise on rec.moto (i hope including me) aren't
>	irresponsible (most of the time). rec.moto happens to be a place
>	for bikers to relax and have fun! i doubt if people would
>	intentionally generate noise in a group that is technically
>	oriented.
>

*WRONGO*

If you see some posted piece of absurdity, or something that opposes your
personally held view(s), I submit that you are going to respond.  Now, 
depending on how far your view is from dead center, someone else is going
to regard that as noise ...
     ***   [  REDUCING the signal to noise ratio (snr)  ]   ***
                        Ed please note.

I submit as an example, the current thread going on and on about meters
to be carried on the bike ... the one that's off into 0.01uf capacitors
and such.

>	- ravi
>-- 
>'''---```---^^^^^^-----#-----~~~~~----'''------~~~~-----````~~~---------$$-----
>sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one : Ravi Narayan - ravi@cs.wpi.edu
>          end and flames at the other. (C).  :       Suzuki GS500E


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: v058l789@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct6.205120.16643@wam.umd.edu>, delilah@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona) writes...
>In article <1as8t7INNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed  
>Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>> In article 29835@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU,  
>mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
>> >
>> >If you have to ask why people ride a Harley you would not understand  
>the answer!
>>  
>> Try me.
>> 
>> Why do people ride Harleys?
>> 
>> ---
>> Ed Green, former Ninjaite
> 
>very simple: because they want to be seen riding harleys, they want people  
>to know they ride harleys, and they want to be thought of as harley  
>riders. it took me a long time to understand this, since i don't care what  
>people think of my ride, as long as i get to ride it. whatever floats yer  
>boat, i guess...
> 
>-D-
>('88 honda hawk gt 650)

	Look folks... lets remember one thing.  Its not what you ride, but that 
you ride.

					Ethan
DOD #682
From: weaver@castor (Mike Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Red-hot pipes of fire
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:44:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia

In article <RTARAZ.92Oct14112136@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>>Use a wire brush if you have to .
>weaver> Yo, dip shit, don't use metal on metal. Use a solvent!
>weaver> Gawd, what an idiot!
>
>If the metal used to scrape of the shit is softer that the other one,
>there should be no problem.
>
>in the old days, I used to clean the steel cylinder heads (for cars
>that blew a gasket) with an aluminum blade.
>
>But a wire bruch is not so good, (actually no good at all) because you
>will scratch the surface no matter what.
>
>
>|                             rtaraz@wpi.wpi.edu                              |

Yeah, I knew that. I had had my head in a compiler all day. I typed the first
thought that I had in. It was wrong, but I'm NOT SORRY ( :-)! 

That's why I followed it up with a self-flame.

Oh, well.


ObMoto:  I changed my brake fluid Monday. God, what a difference! The spooge 
that was in my braking system was unbelievable! The wanker-head that owned
my bike before me (and maybe before him) Had failed in yet another routine 
maintanance item. (No spelling flames) I'll just chalk that up with the
other shit that is wrong:

1) Carbs WAY out of sync
2) Half the damn petcock missing
3) Seriously out of balance front wheel
4) Missing tools
5) <too be filled in as I work deeper into the bike>


Sigh
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Weaver            | Never expect the computer to be smart.
weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu  | Assume it is stupid and let it surprise you.
DoD#0529   KotGB          | 1982 Yamaha Vision 550 -- Needs carb syncing
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: frahm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (FRAHM JOEL ALAN)
Subject: LOTS of stuff...
Summary: want info, for sale, for free...
Keywords: beer,spray_cheese,saltines,penguin
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:23:01 GMT

I just bought a Yamaha FZ700, and I would like some information about
such bikes, like if anyone has a test from an 87 Cycle World or 
something.  I'm told the bike is an FZ 750 destroked to 700 to avoid
a tarriff (sp?) on bikes over 700cc.  I bought it with a broken chain,
8000 mi on it, and new tires for $1400.  I replaced the chain, and it 
rides great.  I think I got a good deal, any comments?
Also I'm selling a 1983 Honda XR-500R, fair to good condition, new 
tires, $850 or best offer (or I wait until spring).
Also, I've got an old Kawasaki 350 2-stroke triple in my backyard, 
doesn't run, engine frozen, 90% there, great for parts, possibly 
a low budget (or no budget) fixer-upper, can be had for free (almost) 
I'd probably trade it for a case of beer.  For GOOD beer, I might even 
throw it on my trailer and deliver it, if it's not too far.  It's a 1972,
has two tires, lights, something that was once a seat, and most everyth 
ing else, except a battery.  You could always run it off a cliff!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joel A. Frahm        87 FZ 700; 86 KTM 350MXC; 83 XR500 (for sale)
frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu  (88 Mustang GT, 74 Trans Am 455, 75 Eldorado)
"Death always calls at 300 baud..." -anon
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:15:19 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: MSUS

In article <10732@wrgate.wr.tek.com>, davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp
CDS) wrote:
> 
> In article <BvpIrp.JsF@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
> >
> >I'll betcha the stats show something like this:
> >
> >    CrotchRockets == ManyMoreDeathsThanHarley == NotCoincidence
> >
>   The Hurt study found no significant difference in incidence of death
> or injury due to brand, type, or style of motorcycle.  Plenty of people
> get squished riding Harleys.

That was then and this is now, where 0-60 in < 3.5 seconds is universal
for super plastic bikes.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles