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From: reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Cutting Shakespeare for film (was: Regarding Henry: Henry V . . .)
Reply-To: reiher@onyx.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Peter Reiher)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.214513.27076@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>You may wish to claim that Shakespeare must be cut more savagely for
>film than for live theater.  But if the BBC Shakespeare series is any
>indication, the fact that film can focus on a speaker whereas theater
>cannot except through lighting makes cuts less excusable than in
>theater.  The REAL reason why Shakespeare is ALWAYS cut more egregiously
>for film is that film is much more powerful propaganda, and the larger
>financial and commercial backers of films are much more anxious about
>the effect of films on filmgoers.  They mask this anxiety with appeals
>to the popular taste which (they claim) they are uniquely qualified to
>discern.  The only reason why this claim has any truth is because those
>making it are, like Henry in his claim to Katherine, "the makers of
>fashion" and these interests are skilled at self-fulfilling propehices
>concerning public taste.

I do not believe this is the reason Shakespeare is typically cut, when
done on film.  The reason is the popular perception (backed up by
realities of the box office) that most films should be around 2 hours long.
Few of Shakespeare's plays can be performed uncut in 2 hours, or nearly
two hours.  Therefore, any film version of a Shakespeare play made for
the popular market will clock in at two and a half hours or less.  (The 
studios are willing to be a little flexible, but only a little.)  Propaganda 
is not a strong motive for cutting cinematic versions of Shakespeare,
in my opinion.

Put another way, how many of the people you know would be willing to
go see a four hour film version of a Shakespearean play?  How many theater
owners would be dying to show it, given that they could fit in only one
show per evening?  (And they can't afford to bump the price of a ticket
up, because if they do, the segment of the population who would say yes
to the first question would shrink dramatically.)  Given the answers to
those two questions, how many of the profit-first studio bosses would
shell out lots and lots of money to make a four hour Shakespearean film?
The only effect of films on filmgoers that enters into this equation is
whether the film will effect them to open up their wallets and shell out
five to seven dollars to pay to see it.

			Peter Reiher
			reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov
			. . . cit-vax!elroy!jato!jade!reiher
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Vanity in movies
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:25:15 GMT
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <+38t25a@rpi.edu>, garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:
> Someone asked for the name of a movie with Vanity in it. The movie was "Action
> Jackson", released in 1988.  Even though I already emailed the name of the
> movie to the requestor, I just figured I'd post here too, along with the comment
> that Sharon Stone was also in the movie... anyone remember what part she had?
> 

As long as we're posting, she (Vanity) was also in _52 Pickup_.
From: malc@pyramid.unr.edu (Malcolm L. Carlock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jo Anne Worley
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:32:35 GMT
Reply-To: malc@pyramid.unr.edu (Malcolm L. Carlock)
Organization: Xinaian Tourist Bureau

In article <mushens.702789707@sfu.ca> mushens@fraser.sfu.ca (David Russell Mushens) writes:
>
>I think that her career centred around her appearances on Match Game.

Didn't she get her start on "Laugh-In" ?
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Subject: Re: Darkman - Crap ((YES!)? Not hardly!) Movie of Destiny!
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:20:19 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <DJOHNSON.92Apr12130725@perdita.gac.edu> djohnson@perdita.gac.edu (Daniel P Johnson) writes:

>.You mean we might have to see *more* movies with Darkman's editing style?
>.Spare us!
>
>Quit yer whining, ya silly son of a person who isn't the very best
>type of person for the type of person that he or she is.  You should
>be ashamed of yourself.  I accept a full apologize, laminated, bound,
>wrapped, melted, chewed, stamped, and regurgitated.

Hmmm, I don't see any cross-posting of this thread to talk.bizarre.

BTW, I saw The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth
Dimension which was superior to Darkman whil still being fairly comic
book like.

BTW, is Buckaroo Banzai actually a comic book?


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From: sbb@panix.com (The Phantom)
Subject: Re: Review: SLEEPWALKERS
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:48:20 GMT
	<1992Apr14.171019.906@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In article <1992Apr14.171019.906@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

   Jorge, I don't like to be put in the position of defending Mr. "Phantom",
   but here you come off somewhat defensively, and I'm assuming you didn't
   mean that.  Besides, I don't think you have to look very hard to find
   excuses to slam King.  And although there may be several aspects of
   "Phantom"'s reviews that are less than perfect, I don't think "Phantom"
   sounds like a fool.  Just made a mistake.  

How disturbing!  And here the Phantom thought his reviews were perfect
in every way...   :-)

The Phantom's term, "King-inspired" is correct.  He did not, however,
intend to convey the notion that the filmmakers were inspired by a
Stephen King story; instead, they seem to have been inspired by the
ability of King's name to bring in much more money than their loser of
a film would otherwise be able to make on its own merits.

Thank you, though for rising to the Phantom's defense, especially in
the face of such a spirited, and perhaps slightly premature, attack.

   If King makes money by putting his name on everything from cartoons to
   bowling balls, he's going to take the occasional, if not appropriate,
   heat, right?

Exactly the Phantom's point.  King knowingly lends his name to all
sorts of dreck, and he alone is responsible for this.  We all know
that King could just as well refuse to allow his name or material to
be used unless he had some assurance that the resulting product would
be better than the cut-rate garbage that's been released under his
name so far.  Just insisting that either Rob Reiner or Brian DePalma
direct the screen adaptations of his work would go a long way toward
reversing the impression many people have that King's name on the
marquee just about assures you of seeing a low-quality film.

King is a long, long way from being a powerless, first-time author who
is at the mercy of his publisher.  The days since he waived all his
rights and had to write under a pseudonym just to get something
published have receded into the distant past.  The reality is that
King can do whatever he wants, however he wants it, from rereleasing
THE STAND in hardback to selling off film rights to the highest
bidder.  The Phantom considers it a shame that he doesn't, instead,
sell off film rights to the *best* bidder.

: The Phantom 
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: rollerball question
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:02:57 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <ru88qINN6hr@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM writes...

} o.k. movie fans. one question i can't find the answer to.

} on what books were the following movies based on:

} ROLLERBALL

It's not based on a book, but a short story called "Rollerball Murder" by
William Harrison, included in his collection (long out of print) of the
same title. As I recall (I haven't read it in almost 20 years), it's the
only story in the collection that's science fiction.

} SOLENT GREEN

MAKE ROOM, MAKE ROOM by Harry Harrison. (And it's "Soylent", not "Solent".)

[Note: William Harrison and Harry Harrison are not related.]

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Ingrid Bergman & Oscar & Murder on the Orient Express
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:40:19 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Apr11.061115.299@mala.bc.ca> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:

>In article <1992Apr08.155144.21182@uvmark.uucp>, scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl) writes:

>> I know, I know, it's all impression, perception, competition, etc.,
>> but who else was nominated that year?  Was Ingrid "due" for a
>> sentimental award or something?

>For what it's worth, I think it's unlikely that it was a sentimental
>award, because she won "Best supporting actress" for _Cactus Flower_
>in 1970 or so.

For what it's worth, no, she didn't.  Ingrid Bergman was not nominated
(let alone the winner) in either the Leading or Supporting category the
year of Cactus Flower.  She had in fact not been nominated for quite
some time until Murder on the Orient Express.

Now, Cactus Flower DID garner a Supporting Actress Oscar for someone
else.  I saved this for last, because I can't resist delivering a
sentence that has never been spoken or thought before in the history of
the world:

"You've mixed up Ingrid Bergman with Goldie Hawn!"  :-)

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: pinette@fraser.sfu.ca (Gandolf the 23rd)
Subject: Re: Where does this stinking quote come from?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:41:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.185954.23302@nic.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>"Badges?  We don't need no stinking badges!"
>
>The answer to this question is probably embarrassingly obvious, but can
>anyone tell me what movie the above line came from?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Paul
>-- 
>Paul Secinaro            | Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Lab
>pss1@kepler.unh.edu      | Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
>p_secinaro@unhh.unh.edu  | University of New Hampshire

This probably doesn't help you but I remember the movie but no the name,
It was about 2 young guys and an old guy mining for gold..I think it
starred bogey himself acutally.  but that is all i can remember...sorry.

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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: buckaroo banzai--good?? bad??
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:20:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr16.141454.5657@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> dgg@llcn2.jhuapl.edu (Dave Gawron) writes:
>>>
>>Heh. On a recent TV run, the part where Whorfin makes a racial slur at
>>Hikita while watching TV at the mental institution is bleeped out.
>
>That's interesting.  Did they also bleep out the part where Whorfin is
>ranting:
>
>	"Blacks... are here in New Jersey... coming to destroy us..."
>

Yep. Sure did bleep that too. Thanks for reminding me.

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From: gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Prince of Tides: 0 for 7 (yes!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP (George Francis McBay)
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <1992Apr8.185902.16849@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> sws8n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Stefan William Sittig) writes:

>There is nothing wrong with what we call "soap opera", or a melodramtic 
>storyline, except that everyone automatically identifies the words "soap
>opera" to those cheezy things seem on daytime television.  PLEASE.  

	Well that's perfectly valid, isn't it? The origin of the phrase
"soap opera", according to what I've heard (Which of course means this could
be some crap someone once told me and I believed) is those "cheezy things"
because in their early days they were most often sponsered by soap companies.
Is this the case or am I spreading misinformation? :)

>Please don't slam one of the few [woman] that actually gets a movie to the
>mainstream!!  I can think of Penny Marshall, and that's about it. Nora Ephron
>directed a movie this year, but who else?  

	Just to enlighten and not to make a comparison in any way with 
Barbra (She's like butter!) or Penny Marshall, Kathyrn(?) Bigelow did
"Point Break."
-- 
George McBay (gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu)                                Only Amiga!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: fields@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: blunders....Ghostbusters
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:06:14 GMT

	I have been reading this newsgroup for an awful long time trying to
catch up with only two days worth of news.  It is tiring to see the same 
thing over and over again so I thought I would add something new.
	In the movie Ghostbusters twards the end when they are on the roof
of the building they show a shot of the street below and as they pan by a 
construction barrier in the road a giant chunk of building falls on top of it 
and just bounces off. It is not real noticable, I guess this is why it was
not caught by the editors, but if you look carefully you can see it.
From: CT.A81@forsythe.stanford.edu (lfribeiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: casting on oldest living...
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:37:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: morrow.1992Apr10.003746.24869
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA

anyone have any word whether NBC has decided in casting for their
mini-series based on "the oldest living confederate widow tells all"
by alan gurganus? toss up between sissi spacec("crimes of the heart"
etc etc) and mary stuart masterson ("fried green tomatoes")... very
different results - i'm for masterson. thanks. reply to:
comly@acropolis.stanford.edu thanks. luisa
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Hilarious analysis of WAYNE'S WORLD (long)
Keywords: hubris hermeneutic semiotic exegesis not
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:26:00 GMT

ubi@updike.sri.com (Ron Ueberschaer) writes:

>This is one of the best movie analyses I have read in a long time.
>It was even worth taking the time to type it in.  Enjoy!


>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>		AN EXEGESIS OF TEXTUAL NUANCE (NOT!)

>		by Lee Gomes, Staff Writer
>		   San Jose Mercury News
>		   (Arts & Books Section, p.3, April 5, 1992)
>		   Reprinted with permission.

[brilliant article concerning the literary quality of "Wayne's World"
deleted}

*I* just didn't think it sucked.

;)


                              --Steve Stelter
                                sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: JFK - Stone getting flak...
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:34:32 GMT

dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) writes:

>In article <schuck.702605426@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:

>>
>>Crenshaw is also one of many Parkland staff who saw cerebellum leaking
>>out of JFK's head wound. The cerebellum is at the base of the brain,
>>and would only be seen if JFK was shot from the front, blowing part of
>>the back of the skull off. Cerebellum material is distinct in color
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>and shape from the rest of the brain. So many trained medical staff
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Is it possible to state a reference?  Or have you seen this yourself?
>   (Just asking--this is not a retorical question.)

I looked in an anatomy text at my local library.
I don't remember the name.

Cerebellum is almost white in color, compared to gray for regular
brain tissue. 

It is also very finely layered. Think of it as looking like a whitish
comb (in cross section).

Regular brain tissue is more twisted, and is in much thicker (wider?)
layers. 

Crenshaw said differentiating between the two would be easy.

>Doesn't the cerebellum control heartrate?  Is this evidence that it
>was undamaged?

I don't know about that. Crenshaw said JFK had a faint heartbeat,
but no blood pressure when he arrived at Parkland.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: bwf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (bernard.w.fecht)
Subject: Re: Father of the Bride - actress question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:18:37 GMT

In article <9395@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> amcalind@cs.strath.ac.uk (Anthony McAlinden IE91) writes:
>
>Hi, I just saw "Father of the Bride" at the weekend, and wondered if the
>_extremely_ nice actress who played Steve Martin's daughter - the bride, in
>other words, has appeared in any other movies?
>
>I think her name was Kimberly Williams - but I could be wrong (if I'm right,
>she has no listing in the actress list)
>
>Any info appreciated.
>
>					Tony
>

She (I think Kimberly Williams is correct) was an aspiring actress,
attending Northwestern University in Evanston, IL, when she tried
out for the part.  I believe it was a matter of the producers looking
for a "fresh face."  No other professional experience before FotB
(maybe summer stock or something like that.)

I remember she said she was told (this is from a Carson appearance)
NOT to see the original FotB (with Elizabeth Taylor.)  They REALLY
wanted a fresh approach for the part.

I'm not sure whether she went back to school or not.  I believe
she had to take a year off to do the movie.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Ingrid Bergman & Oscar & Murder on the Orient Express
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:11:15 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Apr08.155144.21182@uvmark.uucp>, scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl) writes:
> 
> With all of this post-Oscar discussion, I have a nagging question.
> 
> I know, I know, it's all impression, perception, competition, etc.,
> but who else was nominated that year?  Was Ingrid "due" for a
> sentimental award or something?
> 

For what it's worth, I think it's unlikely that it was a sentimental
award, because she won "Best supporting actress" for _Cactus Flower_
in 1970 or so.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto, (803) 777-0296)
Subject: Re: Diner
Reply-To: hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:18:16 GMT

In article <92104.114612SASCWR@vm.sas.com>, <SASCWR@vm.sas.com> writes:
>I don't think they referred to it by name in the film, but I seem
>to remember reading somewhere (Smithsonian article re: diners?) that
>it was the Falls Point Diner located somewhere in the Baltimore area.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>....maybe?
>
>Chris Rogers                     e-mail: SASCWR@VM.SAS.COM
>SAS Institute, Inc.               phone: 512.258.5171
>Austin, Texas                                   x3214

You're correct.  That was the "real" diner they used.  However, the name of
the place is "Fells Point".
-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
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From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Soylent green (was: ROLLERBALL QUESTIONS ???)
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:58:24 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM writes:

>also i was hoping someone could fill in some the holes in the movie 
> SOYLENT GREEN:

>like why did the old  man kill himself in the end?? 

Several reasons I think, he was old, he was tired of living, he couldn't
live with the truth about Soylent green and this way he could provide proof
of what was happening.

>what year is it supposed to be anyway??

Something like 2015, it's shown at the beginning of the movie.

>seems to me at the end there were alot of people who knew what soylent green 
> was.
>what about soylent red, soylent yellow--same as soylent green?????

Actually I don't think the big problem was that they used humans, but that
they didn't use plankton, like they advertised, because all life in the 
oceans had died and if the oceans are dead then the rest will be just a matter
of time.

>WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE MOVIE-- SOYLENT GREEN????

I love it, it's my all time favorite movie.

>thanks
>john oneil

It was a pleasure,
			Richard


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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Power of One
Date: 4 Apr 92 15:29:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr4.152951.23581
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <Apr.2.23.36.20.1992.443@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:

>Has anyone else seen The Power of One?  I caught it at a
>sneak preview, and found that it was pretty well done.

I have a question.  Is it another let's-make-a-film-about-the-horrors-
of-apartheid-in-which-everyone-is-black-except-the-protagonist-who-is-
white film?

-- 
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\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 20:56:16 EDT
From: <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: re:another blooper

If you watch the pre-credit sequence in A View To a Kill, you will notice
that after the Russians shoot a ski off Bond he has it back on a number of
frames later. Also, in Licence to Kill, when Bond and Sanchez are fighting
on the tanker after the brake line is cut - impossible for the truck to
move. When there is no pressure the brakes are automatically locked for
safety reasons.