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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Cancer treatment
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:07:02 GMT
Followup-To: jil@donuts0.bellcore.com

In article <1ihpogINNi3j@duca.hi.com> wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright) writes:
>In article <1hjskiINNieh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>>
>>Finally:  ACE is the place.  The vitamins A,C, and E are all
>>correlated with anti cancer properties.
>>But pleeze....A and E can be harmful in higher doses, be careful.
>
>Well, even C can cause irritation of the urinary tract if you take
>enough of it.  If you insist on high doses of A, you'll be sorry --
>taking beta carotene (a molecule of which contains 2 molecules of A)
>is probably a better idea.  Also, E is fairly innocuous even in high
>doses, but that doesn't mean that megadosing with it will do you any
>good; more than 400 IU a day is probably a waste.

In my local newspaper, 1/6/93:

"If you don't eat enough vitamin E, your health is compromised in all kinds of
ways.  For example, your arteries are more apt to clog up, according to new
research by Ishwarlal Jialal, M.D., associate professor at the University of
Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Dr. Jialal found that men taking 800 I.U. a day of vitamin E had LDL-type
cholesterol that was only 50% as likely to become oxidized as men who got a
dummy pill.  Such oxidized cholesterol is much more toxic to arteries and
promotes clogging & heart disease, according to a new theory.

Numerous other studies show that people with higher amounts of vitamin E in
their blood are less likely to have angina (chest pain), various cancers and
cataracts...If you take vitamin E supplements, be sure to get the "natural"
type, which is more readily absorbed, experts advise."
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: jim@philabs.philips.com (Joanne I. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Life Extension- query
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:53:19 GMT



Chris Griscom has a new book out entitled _Ageless Body_.  
I have not read the book yet, but went to a talk she gave
on the subject.  It was very interesting, a lot of insight 
into mind power, energy work, and meditative techniques geared 
toward "re-programming" one's body toward agelessness.
I have read other books by her, _The Healing of Emotion_ and 
_Ecstacy is a Higher Frequency_, and have enjoyed them so
much that I've bought many copies and passed them on as
gifts.  Her material seems to be original and creative, rather than
a re-hash like so much of the other reading of this sort that I come across.
Chris Griscom is a healer, 56 years old.  She could pass for half that
age, so I guess she must practice what she preaches!    


Joanne Murphy
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:34:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.225950.16830@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, Vesa Halkka
<vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI> writes:

>The ugly side of the story is, that there are Homeopathic gurus
>who tell the patient to throw away all conventional medicines,
>because they make homeopathic stuff uneffective.
>And what we do we get ? Children dying to diabetes, for example.

There are quacks of all varieties, alternative and conventional.  That's
not a reason to reject the therapy they claim to represent -- it's a
reason to choose practitioners carefully.

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:12:36 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

I wrote:
>>How very "scientific" of a view. It's sure to impress many people nowadays!
>>The same sort of argument is used to "refute" astrology as well.

>I certainly hope so!  Good Lord.

>Or did you mean "astronomy?"

No, I meant astrology.  I am saying that the argument that something can't
work because one doesn't see how it could work is itself unscientific.

Mark Sandrock
-- 
Univ of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign	  'The measure of mental health
Chemical Sciences Computing Services	  is the disposition to find good
505 S. Mathews Ave./Urbana, IL 61801	  everywhere.'
Email: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu		       -RWE
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: rclayton@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Randy Clayton)
Subject: Re: Life Extension/another question
Reply-To: rclayton@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola MCG, Urbana Design Center
	<1993Jan4.002504.7906@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
	<1993Jan5.093845.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:13:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.093845.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> lwebb writes:

   >>What has become of Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw, authors of _Life
   >>Extension_? Are they still on their mega-vitamin/mineral/drug/nutrient
   >>diet? Are they aging? Are they dead?


I saw a picture of them in a magazine recently. Yes, they are alive,
approaching 50, and look pretty darn good too (although that may be due
to genetics more than anything else). Durk was quoted as saying
something like, "since was started this we have added one year to our
life expectancy for each year that we have been doing it. So, were okay
unless a truck runs us over."

I don't know anything about Life Extension, except that I read the book
in '82, and since nobody else responded to this thread.....
From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Pancreatitis
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:23:00 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <16B4B13D54.O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams) writes:
> My 14 year old son is in the hospital [with] Pancreatitis.
> [...] Does anyone have any suggestions how a 14 year
> old could possibly get pancreatitis? 

How timely, given the previous discussion on vaccinations. One of the
complications of Mumps, particularly in post-puberal patients, is 
Pancreatitis.

I would be surprised if this were the case for your son, since the
hospital seems baffled, and this should be one of the first questions
they would ask after diagnosing Pancreatitis. For more information,
look in medical references on gastroenterology - pancreatitis isn't
a simple cause-and-effect disease, but is instead a catch-all for
inflammation of the pancreas.

A more likely possibility is simple trauma; a blow to the region could
have caused the inflammation. But the references I have state that in
at least 1/3 of the cases, no cause is determined.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Crystalline vitamin C - caveats
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:34:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.230127.16140@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, Paul N Edwards
<pedwards@csli.stanford.edu> writes:

>2) Crystalline C is probably better for your stomach than a pill,
>since you absorb it faster. But it is still a highly acidic substance
>and should be used with caution: best taken right after a meal. If
>you notice heartburn or acid stomach, try taking an antacid along with it.

I'd feel better not taking so much acid in the first place -- is there a
reason you prefer ascorbic acid to calcium ascorbate?

One more vitamin C caveat I'd add: when reducing dosages, taper off slowly.

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: vdmeer@cs.few.eur.nl (Onno van der Meer)
Subject: Polygorubia available in Europe?
Keywords: polygorubia
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:35:28 GMT

 A friend of mine would like to know if  "A. Vogel's Polygorubia" is 
 still available in Germany or other parts of Europe. 

 He used it for several years to alleviate headaches. Unfortunately, the 
 firm that represents Vogel in the Netherlands stopped the production of 
 polygorubia last year. As similar products have little or no effect, it
 would be a big help if the original is still on sale somewhere.   
   
 Any information would be appreciated greatly !

--
Onno van der Meer
vdmeer@cs.few.eur.nl
 

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<BSIMON.93Jan5075220@elvis.stsci.edu>
	<1ifu6mINNt4i@transfer.stratus.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:00:46 GMT

In article <1ifu6mINNt4i@transfer.stratus.com> tarl@sw.stratus.com 
(Tarl Neustaedter) writes:

   You underestimate the magnitude of human stupidity. We had a recent case in
   this state, where two christian scientists were brought up on criminal
   charges for the death of their child. The child had an obstructed bowel,
   which is incredibly painful, and they relied on prayer to cure the child.

   This lasted for over a week, and according to testimony at the trial, any
   time up to a few hours before the child's death, he could have been saved
   at any emergency room with surgical facilities.

   The case received wide publicity due to the religious freedom aspects (does
   the first ammendment guarantee the right to kill your child?). The parents
   were convicted.

Yes, I remember hearing about this case on the news. While I believe
alternative medicine can help many conditions, there are some problems
that require surgical treatment, such as an obstructed bowel. Andrew
Weil makes this same point in his book "Health and Healing", which I
strongly recommend.
--
Bernie Simon (bsimon@stsci.edu) -- Looking for a 90's answer to a 60's question
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:56:08 EDT
 <1993Jan7.085017.589@news.wesleyan.edu> <1993Jan8.111559.14985@rtf.bt.co.uk>
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In <1993Jan8.111559.14985@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk writes:

> This is interesting. I just checked and luckily my wife also had measles
> as a child (she was 2 when she had it). That should protect our daughter
> for a while then. I see you make no mention of breastfeeding. I thought
> breastfeeding increased a child's immunity by passing anitbodies in the
> milk?

I don't know specifically how breastfeeding affects the various possible
situations w.r.t maternal-infant measles immunity.  Maybe someone else knows
something about this...

I do know that breastfed infants tend, generally, to be healthier than infants
who were not breastfed.  I also know that human colostrum contains antibodies
(presumably to those diseases to which the mother has acquired immunity).  But
I don't know anything any more specific.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: One promising cure for hair loss
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:52:54 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1993Jan7.184237.14178@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
writes:

(commenting on a paper correlating baldness with animal products
in the diet)

|> Male pattern baldness is primarily controlled by genes which regulate
|> the production of dihydrotestosterone from testosterone and the sensitivity
|> of the hair follicles on the scalp to same.  If you stop this (say, by
|> castration) before the hair follicles have already atrophied, men don't
|> go bald.  I suppose there may be some dietary component which could either
|> enhance or antagonize this underlying mechanism of hair loss, but I would
|> be more likely to ascribe the difference between East and West to different
|> gene pools.
|> 

The author of the original paper bases his conclusion(s) on
the fact that the percentage of Japanese men  who are bald
or balding now is much greater than before the War. He ascribes this 
to the fact that more animal products are now being eaten
in Japan than before.

Can someone think of other explanations for this phenomenon
(the increasing occurence of male pattern baldness in Japan)?

Chandy


Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: ns14@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants?
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.
	<1ibijmINNqth@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<NS14.93Jan6002253@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu>
	<C0Is5E.7Bp@world.std.com>
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:51:17

>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:20:01 GMT, entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) said:

> (Nathan Otto Siemers) writes:
>	I don't know if I agree with this.  I believe vitamins a, c,
>and e are known to be antioxidants.  That's it.  There is a virtually
>unlimited number of compounds that could serve as an antioxidant.  In
>line with the radical theory of aging,  some people consume
>"unnatural" antioxidants such as bha (butylated hydroxy anisole) and
>bht ( butylated hydroxy toluene)  in the hopes that it will lessen
>radical mediated destruction and thus slow aging.

 entropy> Arn't those food preservatives?

 entropy> Does that mean eating enough twinkies will make you live
forever? :)





	You Got it.  But why dilute?  Eat the pure stuff. 

Nathan


--
--
/  | / /__|  /  /---/ /__| /  | /    nathan@chemres.tn.cornell.edu
From: bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: zig@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) writes:

>In fact, Avogadro's number HAS something to do with the number of molecules
>in a defined volume of gas: for an "ideal" gas, there are 6*10^23 molecules
>(that is, one Mol) in 22.4 l volume.

	I'm sure that Cornelius knows this, but for the non-scientists
out there, this relationship only holds at room temperature (25 C).


-- 
Bryan Siegfried							zig@uiuc.edu
Solvet saeclum in favilla
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: One promising cure for hair loss
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:42:37 GMT

In article <37850@sophia.inria.fr> chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR) writes:
>The author of this book (summarized by McDougall), based on experiments
>with and the experiences of Japanese men, concludes that baldness is
>primarily due to animal fats in the diet. (This seems convincing, since
>there are far more bald men in the West than in the East where less
>meat is eaten.)

Male pattern baldness is primarily controlled by genes which regulate
the production of dihydrotestosterone from testosterone and the sensitivity
of the hair follicles on the scalp to same.  If you stop this (say, by
castration) before the hair follicles have already atrophied, men don't
go bald.  I suppose there may be some dietary component which could either
enhance or antagonize this underlying mechanism of hair loss, but I would
be more likely to ascribe the difference between East and West to different
gene pools.

Every now and then you'll see a quote here which says that something
like soy is good for you because it has estrogen-like compounds in it;
estrogens do indeed act to a degree like androgen antagonists at the
cellular level, so it isn't inconceivable that this could be a factor.
I have no idea how true this is other than having heard it here.  I
don't know about you, but finding estrogens in my food does not fill me
with a warm fuzzy feeling, even if it might give me a warm fuzzy head.
Another possibility is that saturated fat, or even total fat intake,
might somehow influence hormone production.  There's a parallel theory
that this might explain the association of dietary fat intake with the
incidence of breast cancer.  Hard to say.

>The cure: a vegan diet, regular shampooing, and
>regular application of an *oxidising* lotion to
>the scalp. The result: mild to moderate regrowth
>of hair in at least 30% of the cases studied.

I wonder if this was placebo controlled and how regrowth was measured.
You have no idea how much attention balding men will give to the slightest
bit of peachfuzz if they think it's regrowing.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: tinnitus - ringing in the ears
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:30:13 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1993Jan4.183248.16603@Csli.Stanford.EDU> pedwards@csli.stanford.edu (Paul N Edwards) writes:
>Does anyone know any remedies for tinnitus (ringing in the ears)? 
>Mine isn't related to hearing loss. Western docs basically say
>there's nothing they can do about it, but ignore it and it will go
>away. This is true in one sense - if I stop thinking about it I
>stop noticing it - but it's still very unpleasant when I want to
>sit outside under the stars on a quiet night and all I can hear is
>this loud ringing sound.
>
>Anyone know if acupuncture works, and if so, does anyone have
>an acupuncturist in the Peninsula area they recommend? Herbal
>remedies? Supplements? I'll try anything.

I saw an article in "The Vegan" magazine about some researchers
asking Vegans if any of them had ever had tinnitus. I guess their
theory was that a Vegan diet precludes tinnitus. I can find the
article if you want.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins)
Subject: Re: Re.- Vit C dosage; smoking
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:41:15 GMT

A doctor I respect (Andrew Weil) says that 25,000 iu/day beta carotene
is a must for smokers:

	If you smoke or have been an addicted smoker any time in the
	last 10 years, you must take 25000 units (equivalent to 15
	milligrams) a day. Beta carotene is a precursor to vitamin A
	with no harmful effects. It reverses to some extent the changes
	in respiratory tissue caused by smoking and so helps protect
	against lung cancer ...

.... but not as much as quitting smoking, of course.
-- 
Mark McWiggins        Hermes & Associates		+1 206 632 1905 (voice)
markmc@halcyon.com    Box 31356, Seattle WA 98103-1356  +1 206 632 1738 (fax)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: mild acne
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:22:01 GMT

In article <jll-080193123537@wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk>, jll@doc.ic.ac.uk
(Janice Lonsdale) writes:

>In the past 2years my skin  mainly on the left side under my
>chin has been covered in spots.

You've probably covered this already, but you don't rest your chin
on your left hand and get contact dermatitis, do you?

>Does anyone have any other ideas of just what I should
>try as they are really getting me down.

Well, if I were you I'd try some alternative practitioners -- probably
starting with a competent homeopathist.

This, of course, is not medical advice, nor am I a medical professional.

Pete
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Analysis of Homeopathy Literature
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:47:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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>What this means to me is that there may, indeed, be some
>efficacy to SOME homeopathic treatments but that the
>current standard of knowledge/research within homeopathy
>is not sufficient to warrant the degree of legitimacy
>for homeopathy its advocates seem to desire.  There
>does, indeed, appear to be a role for future research
>in homeopathy, but by no means is homeopathy advanced
>sufficiently IMHO to warrant its representation to patients
>as an established-effective treatment methodology.


Now this I can live with...

Thanks for your interest and sincerity Dr. Kaplan in following up
on this material.

Greg Dilley
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Crystalline vitamin C - caveats
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:00:50 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1993Jan7.172956.22314@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.063832.21184@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>What does it matter if it doesn't make you uncomfortable?  Do you have
>>any idea what the acidity of your stomach contents is and how it compares
>>to the acidity of vitamin C?  If you did (your stomach is several orders of
>>magnitude more acidic), you wouldn't make making statements like this.
>
>Well, as a matter of fact, taking 500-1000mg of ascorbic acid *does*
>make me uncomfortable, while taking an equivalent amount of calcium
>ascorbate doesn't.  Why would that be?

Peter you are being deliberately stupid here. If Steve Dyer tells you
that ascorbic acid cannot make your stomach feel uncomfortable then
that is that. You have now been told officially. You can relax. You will
no longer feel any pain.

The simple fact that you and I (and probably thousands of others) suffer
stomach discomfort from ascorbic acid is totally irrelevant. In fact this
whole newsgroup is totally irrelevant. None of the things discussed here
can possibly work. They fact they do is a mere abberation or placebo effect.

You can all go home now.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative