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From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:37 PST
Subject: Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hfrederick    Jan 24 15:37:00 1993


From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick>
Subject: Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers

                [ Please respond to hfrederick@igc.apc.org ]
                     Call for Papers*Deadline Extended

                    International Communication Section
         INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR MASS COMMUNICATION RESEARCH

                            "Europe in Turmoil:  
               Communication and Democracy in Civil Society"
        Hosted by School of Communications, Dublin City University
                        June 25-26 Dublin, Ireland

     Three forces compete for the hearts and minds of Europe's attentive 
publics--government, market, and civil society.  In Europe, as elsewhere, 
governments and markets control the major channels of public opinion 
formation, so they usually prevail.  But new channels (both interpersonal 
and technological) have transformed our capacity to build and maintain 
long-distance coalitions and networks.  New regional and global forces are 
now using new channels of communication to fight problems whose scale 
previously confounded local and national solution.  We call this the 
"transnationalization of civil participation."  

     The International Communication Section seeks papers for two panels 
describing the scope and impact of channels promoting communication and 
democracy in Europe's civil societies.  From the environment to women, from 
neighborhood conflict resolution to computer networks, from radio to 
publishing, from universities to the labor movement:  Civil society is 
producing new media to distribute its culture and information.  Market- and 
government-controlled media have not been able to provide reliable and 
diversified information essential to democracy.  We will accept articles 
from outside Europe if they focus on channels of civil and democratic 
communication relevant "Europe in Turmoil."  

     Paper abstracts accepted until February 15.  Important:  Final papers 
must be submitted via *email or on diskette* by April 15, 1992, no 
exceptions.  For submissions, contact:  Howard H. Frederick, President, 
International Communication Section of IAMCR, P.O.B. 94653, Pasadena, CA 
91109 USA Voice:  +1-818-568-0994  Email:  hfrederick@igc.apc.org   
Fax: +1-818-791-2205 "Attention CLAIRE"   

     For more information on the Dublin conference, contact Paschal 
Preston, School of Communications, Dublin City University, Glasnevin DUBLIN 
9, IRELAND  Tel:  +353 1 7045478  Fax:  +353 1 704 5447  
E-Mail:  PrestonP@dcu.ie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: adzinic@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Adnan Dzinic)
Subject: Re: islamic info in bosnian language
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:54:40 GMT

In article <93025.190846U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> In article <C1Do00.GFH@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, adzinic@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
> (Adnan Dzinic) says:
> 
>                                                                                u
> 
> Adnan, what kind of history did you have in mind? Hercegovina was an
> independent state too, under our hero Stjepan Vukcic Herceg. Does that
> mean Hercegovina should be independent? Depends. All I hear is Bosnian
> "nationality", "language". ARE you alleging that the HERCEGOVIANS are in fact
> "Ethnically" Bosnian?
> If the state were named Republika Bosna, you might have a case. BUT IT'S
> NOT!!! IT'S CALLED REPUBLIKA BOSNA I HERCEGOVINA!!!!! Therefore you are
> obliged to respect the rights of the "ethnic" Hercegovian people...
> or we might get some funny ideas about independence...
> By the way my Kuran was published in Zagreb...
> 
> -Cro

What are you talking about? Bosnian is just shorter version for language
of Bosnia and Hercegovina. And Bosnia is just shorter version for
Republic of Bosnia and Hercegovina. Do you agree that it is more convinient
to say Bosnia insted of B.. and H..? And as far as I can see this short
version for name and language is very offten used by media (not media from
BH but media from around the world. One more thing most of the people which
don't speak one of the languages from ex-Yugoslavia can not pronaunce word
Hercegovina at all and they are using only Bosnia.
Hercegovina was never independent state, it was always part of Bosna (not
Bosna and Hercegovina) and it became autonomy under Herceg Stjepan but
within Bosna.
But you did not answer me was that Kuran published in Kajkavstina, Cakavstina
Italian, ekavstina or Stokavstina. Probably in Stokavstina, but if you don't
know that language is comming from Hercegovina, not from Croatia.
Adnan Dzinic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic)
Subject: Re: NPR: Bosnia Faces Aggression now from Croats
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:54:57 GMT

goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:

>In article <1jmqsa$hld@agate.berkeley.edu> boyle@kirkuk.berkeley.edu (Joseph Boyle) writes:
>>In article <C17t4G.Iyx@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>>>    The media often refers to the Bosnian goverment as "Muslim-led".  
>>>    To me, this sounds neither "secular", nor "democratic".
>>>
>>>    Are we talking about the same goverment?
>>
>>I think so.  The Bosnian government and armed forces include Croats and
>>Serbs as well as Muslims, and has consistently supported a pluralist
>>democratic state through the whole conflict.  ...


>    Mr.Izetbegovic recently attended the Islamic Conference in Baghdad.
>    Do you think he went there because the majority of Bosnians 
>    (~41% Muslim) had voted to build an Islamic state in Bosnia?

Croatia also sent representatives to Islamic Conference in Jeddah?
Does it mean Croatia is building an Islamic state?

It was announced that the pope John Paul II will visit Sarajevo soon
on an invitation of Bosnian bishop Mr. Puljic?
Does it mean that B-H is turning catholic? Following your logic, yes.

In fact, one of beauties of B-H is its multi-ethnicity, where
all citizens regardless of their religion enjoy freedom. At the same
time, multi-ethnicity can cause problems when, under foreign aggression,
some stupid domestic "leaders"  follow agenda of their foreign bosses.

Senad Arnautovic
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:14:35 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: islamic info in bosnian language
 <93025.190846U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> <C1J8v5.1oB@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>

In article <C1J8v5.1oB@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, adzinic@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
(Adnan Dzinic) says:
>

>What are you talking about? Bosnian is just shorter version for language
>of Bosnia and Hercegovina. And Bosnia is just shorter version for
>Republic of Bosnia and Hercegovina. Do you agree that it is more convinient
>to say Bosnia insted of B.. and H..? And as far as I can see this short
>version for name and language is very offten used by media (not media from
>BH but media from around the world. One more thing most of the people which
>don't speak one of the languages from ex-Yugoslavia can not pronaunce word
>Hercegovina at all and they are using only Bosnia.

WHAT! what's the long version of "Bosnian" Bosnohercegovian!?! I don't think
so. I don't agree(because I am a Hercegovian) that using Bosnia is more
conveniant, I say BiH (bog I Hrvati...)


>Hercegovina was never independent state, it was always part of Bosna (not
>Bosna and Hercegovina) and it became autonomy under Herceg Stjepan but
>within Bosna.
So do you propose that Hecegovina have that same kind of autonomy that
Herceg Stijepan (By the way his castles still stand...) gave us?

>But you did not answer me was that Kuran published in Kajkavstina, Cakavstina
>Italian, ekavstina or Stokavstina. Probably in Stokavstina, but if you don't
>know that language is comming from Hercegovina, not from Croatia.

Yes I did, the Kuran was published in Zagreb, and WE all know that in Zagreb
Croatian is spoken.

>Adnan Dzinic

-Cro       "Muslimani su Cvijece Hrvatskog Naroda"  A.Pavelic


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:22:01 EST


-----start of forwarded msg

Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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From: adzinic@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Adnan Dzinic)
Subject: Re: islamic info in bosnian language
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:36:00 GMT

In article <93022.183613U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.162621.2532@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
> says:
> >
> >salam alaikum logo,
> >
> >i am trying to find islamic books in the bosnian language. please e-mail
> >me any info you can find.
> >
> >zafar minhas
> >
> Bosnian DOES not exist. I do however have a kuran in Croatian.
> 
> -Cro
> 

That is your problem if you are ignorant,but please learn something about
history and after that write or talk about isue. Is thet Quran writen in
Kajkavstina ?

Zafar if you need islamic books in Bosnian the best thing would be to contact
somebody from Bosnian mosques. I can provide you with their adresses.
Adnan
From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: The Economist on the proposed Bosnian ``peace plan''
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan27.170803.19873
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <C1Hto2.EEr@world.std.com> sharon@world.std.com (Sharon M Gartenberg) writes:
>Note: I happen to strongly disagree with this piece. I think it is an 
>aboslute outrage that civilians continue to be shelled and starved while
>``peace talks'' are going on in Geneva. 

It is quite clear why Sharon did post this article.  Same lies
over and over. 


>``A Map for Peace: Why the West Must Push for an Imperfect Plan for Bosnia''
>A leader in the January 9, 1993 Economist
> 
....
>The Serbs are not pleased; they would not win the
>sovereignty they want and would have to give up some land, though they
>would still have more than at the start of the fighting. The Muslims, also
>displeased, would be the losers; they would be left with less than they
>had before the war, though more than they have at present.

This is the utmost lie.  As already stated many times by peace negotiators,
Serbs would according to this plan loose around 20% of the territory 
they have held - before the war.  This was already posted here few times, 
it was even  written in The New York Times.   I am appalled that Sharon 
is completely ignoring this, calling this article "the best case" for 
peace talks.


> ...The Serbs have more to gain from the 
>peace plan than some of them seem to think.

Serbs in Serbia probably do.  However, Serbs in Bosnia are loosing once
again, as they did in 1878 in front of the will of "great" powers.  

> 
>
>-- 
>Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
>Framingham, MA  USA
>e-mail: sharon@world.std.com
>



Milan N. Stojanovic
From: VAN_HEEL@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: electrical engineer/Canada
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:00:37 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin





        Electrical engineer from Bosnia needs job in Canada



        Konstantin Hadziristic (44), 
        master's degree in electrical engineering,
        19 years of experience in energy conservation in industry
        (data acquisition, modelling, unit energy consumption
        and power demand analysis, management improvements)
        seeks suitable job offer in Canada (Edmonton?).

        Was forced to leave Bosnia with wife and 2 year old child, 
        and is temporarily living in Holland.

        A permanent resident visa for Canada is already available.

        Please phone directly:    011 (31) 5945-13095
        or reply by e_mail (see below)

        Konstantin Hadziristic 
        B.v. Waninglaan 49
        9351 LS   LEEK     
        The NETHERLANDS



==================================================================

      I am posting this for a friend.  Wil forward electronic messages
      by ordinary mail or FAX.

      Marin van Heel 

      Fritz Haber Institute of the Max Planck Society   
      Faradayweg 4-6, W-1000 Berlin 33, Fed.Rep.Germany 
      Tel: 49-30-8305380     fax: 49-30-8305509
      E_mail:  Van_Heel@fhi-berlin.mpg.de                
            


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne)
Subject: Sidran goranu
Reply-To: faruk@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:53:17 GMT


In article 1250 of soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna, kovacevic@qut.edu.au 
writes:

[Sidran]
>>- Ne bih znao reci gdje je tu na djelu sofisticiranost. Vidite,
>>putopisci koji su putovali ovim krajevima u srednjem vijeku nazivali su
>>bogumile i patarene, koji su zivjeli ovdje, "dobrim Bosnjacima". Ime od
>>te dvije rijeci bilo je uobicajeno za narod u tim podrucjima. Prije bih
>>rekao da su slabost i  nedovoljna snaga u obrani od fasizma posljedica
>>mentaliteta beskonacne tolerancije, koja se povremeno pretvara u
>>beskonacnu glupost. Moram li biti tolerantan prema covjeku koji me vuce
                     ---------------------------------------------------
>>za usi? 
-------

[goran]
>       NE MORAS SIDRANE.A MORAJU LI,TREBAJU LI,SMEJU LI SRBI DA BUDU
>       TOLERANTNI KADA SU IM USI ODSECALI,OCI VADILI,GLAVE SEKLI,DECU
>       PEKLI,NA KOCE NABIJALI,ZENSKU CELJAD SRAMOTILI TE TVOJE
>       "NOVE PATRIOTE"?

>	AJDE,KAZI.PA TI SI BAR PAMETAN CO'EK.
	
>goran

AK0 TI NEKO ODSECE USI ONDA TE NE MOZE VUCI ZA NJIH, BUDALO.




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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.british
Subject: Model United Nations in the Czech Republic
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:42:30 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(If possible, please print out and post for people who might be
interested)

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: sharon@world.std.com (Sharon M Gartenberg)
Subject: News from Geneva
Summary: NY Times claims some progress in talks    
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:04:08 GMT

From the Tuesday, Jan. 26, 1993 N.Y. Times
By David Binder  
 
GENEVA--Negotiators seeking to end the war in Bosnia reported today 
that they had made some headway on dividing the republic into 10
largely self-governing but ethnically mixed provinces.
 
The borders of the proposed map are the last major stumbling block
to agreement on a political settlement. The leaders of Bosnia's
Muslims, Serbs and Croats have all publicly accepted the nine
underlying principles on which a peace settlement would be based.
 
Croats and Muslims here said they had reached broad agreement on
boundaries in the central region, northwest of Sarajevo, where their
populations are almost equal in size. In recent weeks there have been 
sharp clashes between Croatian and Muslim forces in the area.
 
``Today I am optimistic,'' said Mile Ahmadzic, a Croat who is
Prime Minister of Bosnia, after describing the agreement reached
on the borders.
 
That evaluation was disputed by Alija Izetbegovic, the Muslim
President of the republic. ``I have seen no progress,'' he said
at a news conference.
 
But Mr. Izetbegovic then disclosed that he had made a key
concession: After demanding for weeks that Muslims should have
``ethnic corridors'' to the edges of the republic in the north,
the southeast and the southwest, he said today, ``There is no need
for any corridors in Bosnia and Herzegovina.''
 
The Bosnian Serbs' leader, Radovan Karadzic, also made some
concessions, saying the Serbs would give up their claims to Jajce,
a city west of Travnik, and permit it to be governed by Croats and 
Muslims.
 
The peace talks are in ``a very fluid'' state, said Fred Eckhard,
the conference spokesman, with no fixed schedule and many bilateral
meetings.

-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
e-mail: sharon@world.std.com
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: islamic info in bosnian language
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:26:21 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

salam alaikum logo,

i am trying to find islamic books in the bosnian language. please e-mail
me any info you can find. 

zafar minhas

Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
From: piccolbo@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (antonio piccolboni)
Subject: Internet links in Zagreb
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:51:11 GMT

Dear netters,
I would like to know wether there are Internet links in Zagreb and what
access restrictions apply. I resolved to post this question since I made
new friends from Zagreb. Phoning is too expensive and mailing is to slow.
So I asked them if they knew the Internet, but I had a negative answer.
Is there anyone who can help me (and them)?
Besides my personal interest, I think that the spreading of the Internet
in the former communist world is a very interesting subject.
Thank you very much.

				Antonio Piccolboni
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: CARNET: Croatia joins the net
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 10:32:25 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca writes:

> In article <1993Jan17.211357.29187@ucl.ac.uk> nino@mph.sm.ucl.ac.uk (Nino Mar
> >In <C0v200.LpF@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca write
> >[***** stuff deleted *****]
> >>on Internet and you can telnet there without problems. Furthermore,
> >>other nodes in Slovenia (uni-lj.si, fer.uni-lj.si, etc.) can access
> >>Internet already, but you can't access them yet.
> >
> >Well, you actually can, or at least, I have been able to do so, during
> >the past week. One can do telnet/ftp to UEK1 and UEK2 (or in Internet
> >terms uni-lj.si) at 193.2.64.1 and 193.2.64.2, and Vega at
> >193.2.64.45. There are also some other machines available; I can
> >supply addresses on demand.
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> 
> Nope, it doesn't (well at least not here.-). You are in Europe and we
> are in North America and these addresses are not available here yet.
> Soon to come here as well, though.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Andrej


  I also tryed those address, and they in fact do not work.

damir

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