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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl prognosticators' review
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:41:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.004431.8879@den.mmc.com>, kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
|> 
|> Here are the Fiesta Bowl predictions of various posters last month:
|> 
|> >From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
|> >Prediction:  Syracuse 36, Colorado 21.
|> 
|> >From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
|> >Colorado 21 Syracuse 17

Actually, you forgot to mention that Njan also added the following line 
in his "response" to Tim:

"I am sure a lot of Big & Easy fans are going to be terribly upset after 
the game."

Right then, I knew for sure to put all my money on Syracuse.

|> Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com

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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Miami's Humiliation (or How not to Play Football)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:15:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.010118.13655@news2.cis.umn.edu> rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd) writes:
>
>Well, so long as top 5 teams like Florida State keep drawing Nebraska in 
>bowl games instead of facing top-5 competition, I guess they will be 
>breathing a "sigh of relief".  But in case you missed the boat, Nebraska
>was 3-2 against bowl teams this year.

And 0-1 in an actual bowl.       

>Maybe some Floridafornia snots like
>you think the rest of the country is like the void between your ears, 
>but I assure you we are for real. 

Nebraska is not for real on new years day my little dickhead. They
suck. They suck worse than anyone. 

>Next season Nebraska will 
>undoubtedly pad the post-season schedule and ego of yet another top-5 team
>and we'll have to listen to another ass of your caliber treat us like shit, 
>but you can blow all the hot air you want until then 'cause it just sounds
>stupid from up here.  8^P

Ouch, that hurt. Playing nebraska in a bowl is a cause for
dissapointment and cannot pad anyone's ego. Your whole posting just
serves to remind us that that N on the helmet in nebahoma stands for
knowledge. You are as pathetic as your team.

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Hail Stanford!--best record in the PAC10
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:45:06 GMT

In article <1icvl4INNmit@shelley.u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>>As disappointed as I was with the PAC-10's performance--hey, here's to the
>>best team in the PAC-10:  Stanford with a final record of 10-3.  This is
>>our first 10 win season since 1940, so I think I'll relish it.
>>
>>I could go on to make outrageous predictions for next year, but who wants to
>>be mistaken for a Miami fan?
>I liked Stanford from the beginning.  They've got that PRO look and a great
>coach to boot.  They did damn well this year with a team that wasn't built
>by walsh.  I will go ahead and look like a miami fan ( I think they are REAL
>fan's cause they were really into it ) and say that Stanford could go all the
>way next year.  I give em a 1 in 6 (roll of the die) shot.  I think they've
>got a real advantage with walsh at the helm.  Pac ten co-champions and as 
>good as any pac ten team I think.
>wessir

Is this the same Stanford team that will be without 15+ of its starters
next year?  (or are they not losing that many starters?)

7-4


cmuck
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Fantasies Fulfilled, thanks to all
Followup-To: poster
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:32:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu
Summary: anybody save some bama quotes from early on?

All these folks did a damn fine job of sticking their necks out and woof
woof woofing for their fav team.  A few clever fans thought to save these
so they could throw them back in their faces and I LOVE IT!!!!
>>From: tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
>>From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
>>From: djryan@al.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan)
>>From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
>>From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
>>From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
This however is just one side of the coin.  Did anybody save a post from 
way back predicting bama as the final champ?  I'd love to give some credit
to someone who really deserves it.  I'm getting tired of laughing at the fans
who were totally wrong (me included).
wessir
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:48:30 GMT

In article <C0E6ps.LqK@encore.com> wcarroll@encore.com (William Carroll) writes:
>dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>>Alabama won, I have to admit.  But, I tell you what --
>>I would take Miami in a second in there were to be a rematch.  I STILL think
>>Miami is the better team (although if I were an AP poll voter, I would be
>>reluctantly obliged to vote Miami #1).  
>
>Of course, the blowhards will jump all over the FSU fans when they make this
>same statement. And Miami has twice needed FSU to miss a FG to win those
>games. Anyone see any irony here?

Hey, I never jumped all over an FSU fan for claiming that they were better
than Miami, I just said we won the game this year.  Alabama fans can say the
same thing to us, so quit crying.

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Gino Who???
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:38:12 GMT
Reply-To: wupost.wustl.edu!dbsun!harbison
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.

In article <1i58q7INNfj6@agate.berkeley.edu>
cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
> It has been mentioned that Gino was not performing well in the "pressure
> games" this season by some previous posts. Can some one give a summary
> of his performance against top 10 or 20 teams?

Gino had 7 interceptions during the regular season.  Three of those
came in a close game against Syracuse.  I assume he had a tough time
against Arizona since the score was low (8-7?).  Gino threw another
three interceptions against Bama, for a season total of 10.

Towards the end of the Sugar Bowl, ABC displayed Miami's winning margin
against ranked and unranked teams.  Against ranked teams, the margin was
only 3 points (before the loss to Bama, probably -5 after).  Against
unranked teams, their margin was 30-something.

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From: applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core, Andrew)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:23:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.152627.14308@b30.ingr.com>, tad@tad.b30.ingr.com writes...
>In article <1993Jan5.193228.1929@ra.msstate.edu>, wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>|> I was curious as to how many SEC fans such as myself pulled
>|> for Miami to beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?  Why?  Because
>|> if you've every been to a game with Alabama fans, you would
>|> know they act in person just like the ones woofing about
>|> this year's Sugar Bowl win.
>|> 
>|> Any other SEC fans who turned Miami fans for a day?
>|> 
>|> Bill
> 
> 
>As a Tennessee fan I, as much as I hate to admit it, mildly pulled for the tide.
>It was nice to see some of the national respect return to the SEC, toughest 
>conference year after year (the season is over so I can boast :)).  
> 
>Nevertheless, I knew when bama won what kind of razzing the Canes fans would 
>take.  From experience (lost seven in a row to the evil horde), bama fans won't 
>say much before the game but if they win, LOOK OUT!  They'll come out of the 
>woodwork and, before you know it you'll be knee deep in roll tiders.  After 
>the boasting heard from the Miami faithful before the Sugar Bowl I knew if 
>bama won it would be especially tough for the orange and green.
> 
> 
>As a side note, any truth to the rumor a couple of roll tiders smacked around
>Dennis Erickson's 10 year old son in an elevator after the game?
> 
> 
>Tad "Let the Fulmer era begin!  We want bama!" Stephens
> 
>Intergraph Corporation
>Huntsville, Alabama
>tad@tad.b30.ingr.com
> 

   I too was...wait, it's so hard to say...rooting for Alabama.  It was
reminiscent of January 1, 1986 (Tennessee 35, Miami 7), but in that case, Miami
talked a lot more trash.  And it was so much fun to watch ol' Vinny get sacked
7 times.  I nearly always root for the SEC, unless a team is ranked ahead of
UT.  Speaking of which, why is Florida ranked ahead of UT?  They have a worse
record (9-4 to 9-3) and UT stomped them up here in Knoxville.
   Yes, I'm glad to see a National Champion come out of the SEC.  Just wish it
was UT.  Oh well, there's always next year, when we play Alabama in Alabama,
site of UT's last victory against them in 1765.  Maybe it was just 7 years ago.

_
Go Vols!
Andrew Core
applcore@utkvx.utk.edu
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:25:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C0I5JJ.8zz@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>Personally, I was not silent (as the Pitt fans in the north bleachers
>of Fitzgerald Field House last night can attest), I just had no net.access.
>
   I was wondering who would be bellicose enough to root for Miami at the
Pitt Field House.  I'm surprized that the Fanatics in that section of
the Field House let you out alive; they could have fed you to the rather
large fellow who leads the crowd in the "Hey" cheer. :-)

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: Re: Miami strategy?
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:10:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.171325.12213@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com   writes:

>	'cause the arrogant SOB's really thought Bama couldn't play with 
>	them.  The Miami fans even boo'd Gino.  I know, because I was sitting
>	in their section. (which turned out to be fun 'cause I gave them
>	HELL for 3-4 hours)  For as long as I live, I will never forget
>	Lamar "the fastest receiver in football"  Thomas being run down
>	from behind by one of "o.k." defensive backs.  Lamar looked like
>	a little kid in pee wee football compared to Bama's AWSOME "D".

Thomas lost the ball because he didn't bother to carry it with his
left hand, the hand closest to the sideline.  Had the ball been in his
left hand, even if Teague knocks it out, it probably goes out of bounds
and Miami has the ball deep in Alabama territory.  In other words,
Thomas blew this play because he didn't pay attention to the
fundamentals of the game.  

I think Alabama simply out-prepared Miami for this game, especially
on the defensive side.  Miami's offense was completely shut down,
and they seemed to have no innovative plays to get them started.
It seems as though Miami's coaching staff overlooked the fact that
Alabama's Stallings had spent many years in the NFL facing much more
sophisticated and talented offenses than Miami.

Can someone post again which of Alabama's starters on defense were
recruited by Stallings and which were recruited by Stallings'
predecessor, Curry?  What do Crimson Tide supporters think about
how Curry would have done with this year's team?  

I'm not criticizing Gene Stallings in any way.  As a Phoenix Cardinals
fan, I am still disappointed in his being fired.  

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: FYI: Parade's All-America Team
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:59:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.054149.14854@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp
(harbison) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan8.233050.8189@Arco.COM>
> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
> > 10. Willie Anderson   Vigor        Prichard, Ala.  6-7  305
> > 15. Jesse McCovery    Theodore     Theodore. Ala.  6-3  260
>                                                      ^^^^^^^^
> 
> Geez, I knew we grew `em big in Alabama, but 6-7, 305 lb.?  That boy's
> mama must make damn good biscuits.  Does anyone know if either one is
> headed for Bama?  I think I've seen McCovery's name on somebody's
> "leaning to Bama" list.  Imagine how these rascals will get once they
> are living within 5-10 miles of Dreamland!

Imagine you walking into Dreamland, and them telling you "we're closing,
one of those Bama boys just cleaned us out, and we won't get any more 
ribs, beans, potatoes, flour or tea till next week."!

James
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Robinson back to USC as head coach
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  4 Jan 1993 17:23 EST  

In article <1993Jan04.192249.24415@watson.ibm.com>, TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes...

>I don't know
>if he rescue the Trojans just like Gene Stallings did to Alabama, but with his
>record at Rams, I have some reservation about it.

Well, you might try looking up Stallings' record with the Cardinals.


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From: rcj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Robert C. Jordan)
Subject: RECRUITING -- Bama
Originator: rcj@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:58:07 GMT


    Just looking for information on how recruiting is looking this
    year for the TIDE.

    Could someone please post this information?

                                       
                                        Thanks in advance,
                                         
                                        Chuck Jordan
From: frank@lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Seminoles Victorious
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:47:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems

As I sat in the Orange Bowl Friday night, I thought about all of the talk
which Miami and Texas A&M followers have made over the past few weeks on
the Net.  Not to say that FSU fans didn't talk it up much, but at least
their team backed it up with a solid victory!  

For Miami, it has been a long time coming (since their loss to Penn State
in the Fiesta Bowl to be exact).  Talk is cheap, and we heard a lot of it
the week before the game from the Miami players and their head coach.  I
was glad to see that BOTH polls believe FSU has a better team!

For Texas A&M, there was no easy way out!  Playing Notre Dame (instead of
then ranked #3 FSU) was not a "gimme" game.  It only goes to show you that
just because you're undefeated, doesn't mean you are better than other
teams who may have a loss or two.  Schedule strength does matter, and the
SWC looked weak this year.

As for next year, I dread seeing the 'Noles picked in the pre-season as
Number One.  Very few teams have been able to hang on to such an honor by
the end of the season.  And when you consider FSU's schedule (the ACC plus:
Miami, Notre Dame and Florida), the odds are against them.

Now that the season is over, I'll turn towards Seminole basketball and
baseball.  This group has given me a lot of enjoyment, and I hope to catch
all of you back here again in August!!

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Subject: Re: Florida IS the College Football State!
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 05:58:28 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

ron_frank.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank) writes:
> than Florida proves that there are a lot of good high school players in
> those states,  but not college players!!  Look at the win/loss percentage
> of Texas and California colleges versus Florida colleges.  How did the Pac
> Ten and the SWC do in their respective bowls this year?  It may shed some
> light!
> 

     Well, this sort of ignores the fact that there are a lot more large 
schools in California and Texas than in Florida, which, last time I 
looked, has only 3.  In California, you've got Cal, Stanford, UCLA, SC, 
San Diego State, and now, possibly, due to SC's inept play in the Freedom 
Bowl, Fresno.  Both Arizona Schools recruit heavily, as do the Wash. and 
Oregon schools (not to mention the Big 10 often getting their QB's from 
California [as, I believe, a certain school in South Florida also did]).  
That's a lot more competition for players than you get in Florida, so the 
talent is a lot more spread out.  In fact, quite often the analyses I see 
WRT Florida schools and their enviable W/L records cites this.

-Bob

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:01:02 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) wrote:
}
}What's interesting, Mark, and what you fail to mention, is that in the
}three other times that Miami appeared in MNC-relevant bowl games, two would
}have been setup by the bowl coalition if it had been in place ('83 and '87), 
}and the third would have been allowed under the BC's escape clause to take
}a higher payout ('91).  

So you are saying that even if the Coalition had been in place last
year, Miami would have turned down an invitation to the Sugar Bowl
to play in the Orange Bowl?  I'm not surprised.  However, the Sugar Bowl
has anticipated this, and the standard payout for the bowl is now
virtually equivalent to the Orange.  In addition, the Sugar Bowl 
executive director has stated that the bowl "will not lose anyone"
due to the payout escape clause, i.e. if Miami tries to chicken out
of the Sugar Bowl in the future, the payout will be increased by whatever
small remaining increment is needed to force them to come.

}                        Thus, your comment that the BC ``forc[ed] Miami to
}venture outside the Orange Bowl this year'' is misleading:  past evidence
}shows that Miami has played more MNC-related games outside the OB than it
}has in it.  Had the BC not been in place, in all likelihood, the same matchups
}would have been made.

This seems to be in direct conflict with your statement above, that
in 1991 Miami would have chickened out of the Sugar for a slightly
higher payout in the Orange.  It is also in direct conflict with
earlier Blowhard statements that playing in the Orange Bowl is 
Miami's goal every year, just like playing in the Sugar Bowl is
every SEC team's goal.

Had the bowl coalition not been in place, Miami would certainly 
have gone to the Orange Bowl instead of the Sugar, and Alabama
would have been left playing Notre Dame while the 'Canes ripped
Nebraska again.

-- 
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   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:15:10 GMT

In article <79050@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
wrote:
> 
> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
> }
> }Yeah, I can. Take away two of Gino's errors (the two INT's in the 3rd
> }quarter), and it becomes *anyones* ball game.
> 
> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !
> 
> Stop it - you're killing me!

Now, now, Mark, don't pull a Goober[tm] on us... :)

> How about this - take away only *one* interception against Penn State
> and the overrated Blowhards wouldn't have even been playing in the
> Sugar Bowl for the championship. 

And I've made that argument, too. That's why I felt that Miami wasn't
head-n-shoulders above the competition, and thus quite beatable.

Let's see, one INT at Pepsi State, one missed tackle at Syracuse, one
missed
FG by FSU AND Arizona, and all of a sudden the All Powerful and Unstoppable
Hurricanes are in danger of being 7-3-1. And quite possibly *not* being in
a NYD bowl. They managed to make those plays tho, or their opposition 
failed to do so.

Bama cashed in on most [all?] of Miami's miscues, and even got screwed 
out of another 4 points (IMHO) on the unsportsmanslike call against Lassic.
A very good team, the best this year. Unbeatable? no. But they survived 
their season unscathed, which is good enough for me.

James
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