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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Another Viewpoint

Ref to Icon or command it.  Should I ever be successful in convincing wife
of need of "good" home PC ....there would be several people using it.  I am
fairly comfortable with DOS, Dawn's a very fast typist and quite computer
literate, but Joyce ....well she would have trouble turning the PC on...so
mice and icon might be the only way she could do anything.  Oh, what would
she want to do?  Hah!  I finally found a great use for a PC she could use ..
not receipes or the like, but sewing designs!  Joyce is fantastic with a
sewing machine ...she creates many things and is an excellent crafts person.
And she has a grandbaby now to make cloths, toys, blankets, etc, etc.  So,
what's the sewing - PC connection?  She has an old sewing machine and would
like an more modern one.  There is a brand (Pfaff - I think) that has a
computer chip that stores sewing instructions (as for designs).  It also
has software (requiring fairly decent PC ...at least lot better than I have)
where one can create their own designs - sort of like CorelDraw - and then
save the design as sewing instructions.  A special interface cable allows
the PC generated design to be transferred to the memory of the sewing
machine.  Recommended environment to run software is Windows with mouse.

Downside:  Sewing machine costs about $2,200 + $300 for software ...an
           amount that would get me a decent PC.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:07:28 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      DV and LANs
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Because list traffic seems slow this morning and I'm in a computer mood,
I just looked in the DV manual to see what I could find out about Karen's
question (actually, I guess it wasn't a question, was it) about program
size and LANs.  As far as I can tell, the only limitations on program
size are the limitations of your own computer, not limitations of DV.
Here's something about LANs:  "If your PC is connected to a network that
supports either NetBIOS or Novell Netware IPX/SPX network protocols, you
can use programs that are actually running on other DESQview/X PCs.  These
programs appear in their own DESQview/X windows and behave as if they were
running on your own PC.  They may even be running on different remote
systems.  Any DOS character-based, Microsoft Windows or X Window System
program can be used in this manner.  You can use DESQview/X's Mark and
Transfer commands to cut and paste between programs running in different
windows regardless of whether they are running locally on your PC or
remotely. [etc]"  There's also a special little DV manual named "Network
Manager," but I'm not interested enough to delve into it right now.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Scandinavians
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:33:16 GMT
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>
>  I refer you to the fourth of the "five unmistakable marks by which you
>may know, wheresoever you go, the warranted genuine Snarks":
>
<*snark*><*snark*>
Shall we go hunting some in Portland, anyone?  Fresh salmon and petrified
Snark? [It'll be petrified if it even glimpses a bunch of Wordslers coming
in its direction - to normal creatures we're a scary bunch]

>    The fourth is its fondness for bathing-machines,
>      Which it constantly carries about,
>    And believes that they add to the beauty of scenes -
>      A sentiment open to doubt.

For Karen's benefit [or whoever originally asked] do the bathing machines
used in Scandinavia resemble those used in Victorian England?  Basically
tentlike things that could be pushed/pulled/towed out into the ocean?
I can see why a Snark would like them, although why anyone else would is 
open to question.....
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PSILink?
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On Fri, 11 Dec 1992, Rita Marie Rouvalis wrote:

> >Somebody stop me if they think I'm about to spend money very
> >foolishly....
>
>         Stop!  You're going to end up paying for about the same level
> of reliability you are getting for free at AT&T.  Why not get an
> account on one of the better systems like The World, The WELL, or
> Netcom?

What Rita said. If you want a buttload of rants about PSI, just let me
know, I can supply more than you can read...

-abh
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Common law

List Pope shoots the following bull:

>a little bit of evidence goes a long way. My statements in this area were based
>on studies long since concluded, the outcome of which had always been
>corroborated as common knowledge, but the sources for which have long
>since been forgotten.

It does, and I'm waiting for it.  I believe we were talking about writing.

You have this nasty way of writing cheques with your mouth that your ass can't
cash.

-K

-Mka
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Trivial Pursuit
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:> I didn't understand the rules - are onlookers permitted?  I'd like to watch.
:> -rashmi
:Me too.
:doris

Have I stumbled into the wrong group again? :-)

G
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 12 Dec 92 11:23:39 GMT


  What more must I do?
>>
>>--bayla


I repent me.  This has been undignified, unbecoming.  I accept my fate.

Carolyn, do not trust this charming Indian snake.  He will treat you 
as he treated me, seduce you, use you, and cast you aside.  

--bayla


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From: maynor@walt.tmc.edu (Bernard Chien Perro)
Subject: Signature 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:26:08 GMT

Natalie is so dumb.  I had to point out to her that the reason her
signature was on my last usenet posting was that she had created 
a .signature file on this machine.  I just deleted it.       
 -- Bernard C. Perro
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              12 Dec 1992 14:30:17 EST from
              <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>

What does STS mean -- "sad to say", "sorry to say"?
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (72
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Posted on 19 Dec 1992 at 12:47:41 by BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU

>17) Paul Fussell

>  He also wrote -Class-, a tongue-in-cheek look at class distinctions
>  in America, and -BAD; or, The Dumbing of America-.  I've just
>  finished the latter; it's kind of dumb itself.

_Class_ was only about ten percent tongue-in-cheek, as I remember.
Very funny though.

Tony H.
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:02:19 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Global Village stuff

>>mean, what is ".omsk"? Omsk is Omsk. Jeez.
>                                      _____  Watch it ts ! We all know
>what this is a representation for.  You're not showing proper respect
>for a basic value.

"Jeez" is a euphemism for the Urdu word for soul. What basic value does
it represent? Some people ...

tushar
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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) says:

>> Whoever Pritchett is, I think I like him.:-)
>
>So do I.  He may be the only postmaster/listserv manager in the world
>who would allow this list to race through his machine.  We have him to
>thank for the list's continued existence.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
Maybe we should invite him to the next clam slam/salmonbake?  Sounds like 
our kind of nut case.:-)  
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv
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On Mon, 14 Dec 1992, Graham Toal wrote:

> Very amusing Jim!  Come on, what do you *really* look like?  (And don't
> try to kid me you're a refugee from a David Lodge novel...)

Yes, Jim, some of us are <dying> to know... ;-)

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:44:08 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Freenet
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On Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:07:19 EST, "Bayla Singer" <bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>
 wrote:
> I'm running up MEGA bills in long distance charges -- if I had a nice
> alternate backdoor that I could telnet to eniac through, it would be
> a great help :-)

I don't understand this!  There are lots of freenet style places, but
you have to telnet *to* them.  Unless you find one with dial-in access
in your own area code they won't help.

What you're looking for is a *local* access point to the internet.
Or a cheap-ish service with 800 access.  Or a way of using whatever
service more quickly: log in, download, log off.  The easiest way to
do the latter is to set up your own site and use uucp.  Bound to be
a local uucp supplier somewhere.  Do you need your eniac service for
anything other than mail?

Graham
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: So is this bit.listserv stuff working?
Organization: Karsten's Bit Bucket
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:24:05 GMT

gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> That's the second reference you've made to newsreaders in the context
> of speed of receiving news.  Are you perhaps under the misapprehension
> the it makes a blind bit of difference whether you usr rn, trn, nn,
> snews, cat or more?  (It doesn't)

Sometimes it does.  If the news arrives but your reader requires an
index that has not yet been created you won't see it.

Usually this is not a problem (the indices are created by daemons)
but sometimes the system is overloaded or the system has been restarted
and these daemons haven't.

Under such circumstances some newsreaders may be able to offer news
that others cannot.

--karsten

(technically the arrival time is the same - one news spool is used
 for all readers - but the time-to-reading can differ)
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To each thing its name
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Posted on 20 Dec 1992 at 01:01:38 by BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU

>   Lord how mercy !  This is only an excerpt?  Does Hofstadter name
>   this class of stories?

He does refer to 'crab canonical' stories.  To be fair, I've somewhat
misrepresented the thing.  It is not strictly palindromic by sentence,
but more by dramatic idea.  The two main characters (Achilles and the
Tortoise) converse, the third character (the Crab) enters and says a
central sentence, and the Tortoise and Achilles finish their dialogue
using almost the same sentences, but taking opposite parts.  There is
much more subtlety to it than just the palindromic aspect.

Tony H.
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From:         JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
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Subject:      Re: Assisting the police in their inquiries

Oh, sorry, folks!  I didn't mean to give the impression that it was MY boss who
1.  e-eavesdropped six years ago, or
2.  was saying I was crude, unprofessional, unethical, yatadda yatadda.
It wasn't even HER boss - it was someone totally out of the loop/list at
another campus.  And when I was "monitored" I knew about it - she was a
sysadmin who loved gossip and dirty jokes, and we really gave 'em to her!
(Good training for words-l, as it turned out)
Well, I will say that my heart dropped when the Dean of Instruction strolled
in, but he was here for something else.  The upshot of it all was I got a
300-word NON-reprimand that could be accurately abstracted as "Watch yer ass,
willya, Williams?  I got enough grief..."  <whew>  Didn't Churchill say
something about how exhilarating it was to be shot at and missed?  8-)  I'll
never get anything resembling an apology from the bitch who started it all
but she'll have to be content with merely loathing me from afar...  I laugh
at her to scorn - until the next time...

JMW

ps - it really isn't anything personal.  She hates *everybody*!
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Water Cooled Computers
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On Mon, 14 Dec 1992, Tony Harminc wrote:

> density of components which translates to higher speed.  All very fast
> computers are liquid cooled.  The fastest (e.g. Crays) use Freon (CFCs)
> instead of water.

Tony,

I don't dispute your statements wrt water-cooled puters, but there's just
something so *comical* about the idea of a mainframe gurgling as it works.
The mind runs riot, images of the sound of a toilet flushing announcing
the start of a large batch job...there's something technoid about CFC's
bubbling up through a Cray, and indeed, they do look <hot> being cooled
that way. I dunno, call me a crazy romantic, but I'll be afraid to touch
an IBM from now on unless I'm wearing rubber soles.

-abh
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>
>  If you bring your pretty little head to bear on what has actually
>been said, you will find that these are pleasantly tepid waters.
>Nobody's beliefs are being questioned or challenged. Rather, the
>question is just what Peter and other people mean when they say that
>all deep beliefs should be respected. I'm not surprised that it proved

On the other asbestos suit, disrespect is about what we got the last time,
only disrespect is too polite a term for it.  It's happening again somewhere
else on Bitnet, if a bit less heated.[only two main combatants]  What I'd like
to know in all of this is whether a discussion about respecting deep beliefs
can be carried on without its escalating into a flamewar.   One a face-to-face
level, it can be done, but electronically I've never seen it happen.

>impossible to get any discussion going, since such questions are alien
>to the thinking of many people. I recall something similar in
>connection with "thinking machines" about a year ago, when - was it
>Ken and Don? - kept repeating that they had their beliefs and I had
>mine, as though beliefs (perhaps deep ones?) had something to do with
>the questions raised.
>
Maybe, for some people, they do.  "Deep beliefs" are held about a lot of
things that may or may not have anything to do with religion.  Just ask any
NBA fanatic, or a Mac user.:-)  Or the Lob.<grin>  I wasn't here for the
thinking machines [AI?] and so don't know what the connection might have been,
but I can see how a connection might be made, and even what it might have
been.  [strange brains think alike?]
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: ULTIMATE NON-MATHEMATICAL QUOTE FROM DONNE

:               Oh, to vex me, contraries meet in one;
:               Inconstancy unnaturally hath begot
:               A constant habit;

:       Then somewhere else he says "at round earth's imagined corners".
:       What a total imbecile.

:       tushar

> Not at all - it's a poetic interpretation of the equation

                  i.pi
>                e     = -1

Love It!!!

Steve Karlson
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Where Love Has Gone

Hi giggles.  Glad to hear Mr. Eyebee got it <up> again.

Steve Karlson
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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        Wait a minute, Graham, *I'M* a Professor too, so it's clearly a title of
        utmost importance.

        Marty Rosen, Assistant Professor

Ah, but you're an *assistant* professor - that's only half as pretentious.
(And you never put it in your sig...)

G
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Identification etc
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        One of the people I know who was stopped and hassled for his alien
        registration was a sansei, which I found amusing.  He is genetically
        Japanese, but somehow they knew to ask for his alien registration.

I hate to tell you this Karen, but Americans stand out in a crowd
no matter what race they came from.  I remember a plane flight once
when I saw an asian-looking couple and I thought 'Texans!' before they
even opened their mouths.

Observations like these bring me to the conclusion that the 'typically
American' features that we come to recognise over here are not
genetic but culturally acquired. It's something about the mouth
muscles that gives it away.  Must be from a lifetime of vacuous
smiling and repeating 'hae a nice day'...

G
PS And the clothes don't help much either.  Checked shirts and cameras.
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From:         Gerald Walton <VCGW%UMSVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: GEOMETRY OF WINE: NATALIE, YOUR ATTN HERE, PLEASE.
              19 Dec 1992 07:35:24 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

Re mathematics at Millsaps: My youngest daughter graduated from Millsaps
a couple of years ago (Natalie, you mentioned _Southern Living_ recently;
she, English major, works at Square Books, mentioned in current issue).
She took a course there that the kids call Mickey Mouse math that seemed
to have been less complicated than college algebra and trig, which gives
kids here plenty of trouble. My two older daughters, both of whom had
calculus in high school here, went to Sewanee, where college algebra
and trig were not offered. GWW
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Red Line Story
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>Reminds me - the driver's compartment on the Toronto subway cars occupies
>only half the width of the car.  There is a passenger seat and a front
>window on the other side.  I grew up with being able to look out the
>front, and got used to all the tunnels when I was a kid.  So I was
>appalled to find on my first trip on a subway in another city (London)
>that the entire front of the train was blocked off by the driver's
>space.

>This seems to be the rule on the subways I've seen.  Are there others
>that let you see out the front ?

        Yep.  PATCO High-Speed Line, Center City Philadelphia to Lindenwold NJ.

        On very rare occasions, that choice seat *isn't* already occupied.

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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Geometry of Boxes and Jugs
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> Wise choice.  You can't bullshit in maths with stuff like "but if everybody
> uses it, it must be acceptable"...

Betcha I could...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     mad because the stupid rain has returned...  tired of GRAY GLOOM!
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To each thing its name
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Posted on 19 Dec 1992 at 22:57:32 by BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU

>A theoretical possibility would be a sentence reversible by *phrase*,
>though I don't have an example.  It has been suggested that the rhetorical
>"chiasmus" be applied to this class of wordplay.

Hofstadter's _Crab Canon_ in Goedel, Escher, Bach, is a story reversible
by *sentence*.

A small excerpt:

  Tell me, what's it like to be your age ?  Is it true that one has
  no worries at all.

  To be precise, one has no frets.

  Oh, well, it's all the same to me.

  Fiddle.  It makes a big difference, you know.

  Say, don't you play the guitar ?


Tony H.
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