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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Curtis buys bike, stops whining
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:40:24 GMT

  "I Gotta New Bike"
  [Sung to the tune of "I Want a New Drug" by Huey Lewis and the News]
  
  I gotta new bike
  I gotta bike that's red
  '91 Honda Hawk GT
  Grand Prix sales force can just drop dead
  
  I gotta new bike
  I gotta bike that's a twin
  I gotta bike that never gets too hot
  'Cause the water coolin' kicks right in
  
  A bike that won't make me lie down
  A bike that don't look dumb
  A bike that gets good gas mileage
  And has a nice deep thrum
  
  It has a nice deep thrum
  
And it is *brand new*. Yes! And, best of all, I'm not in jail for murdering
the salesdweeb, although he righteously deserved it. Even after I told him
what I had been through yesterday, on the second iteration to the manager
I had agreeably split the difference between my initial offer and what they
proposed during the first consult the manager trip. The salesdweeb comes back
and says, "The boss says, 'You win!' You can have the bike for <$50 more than
my split-the-difference offer." I stood up and said, "You're already making
a killing because I'm tired and I got an unexpected bonus at work. I can't 
believe you are gouging me for $50 when you know I was gouged for $50 yesterday
and walked out. This is absurd. I'm putting on my jacket and gloves, and if
I get them on before you come back and agree to my last offer I'm outta here."

He didn't bother to walk back from the manager's cube 20 seconds later; he
yelled across the floorroom that I had a deal. I still felt like hell for
supporting this kind of behavior. Agreeing to buy a new vehicle by going
through their bullshit is like rewarding a five-year-old for shitting on the
carpet.

BUT, I GOT A NEW BIKE! The bent-over riding position is going to take some
getting used to, and I'm going to definitely have to get a Corbin seat (the
first bumps I hit caused me undue discomfort against the gas tank), but OH
the SOUND and FEEL of that bike!!

I LIKE IT!!!

Many thanks to all who gave me advice, who put up with my whining, and who
wished me well. I'm going to break this puppy in nice and slow, but in mid-
January or so I'm going to want to go on a nice long twisty windy fun fun
fun ride!
-- 
Curtis Jackson;DoD #721;'91 Hawk GT;'81 Maxim 650;'62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: *FOR SALE* NORTON MK III
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:58:51 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

Riders!

A Norton Commando Mk III Interstate
Amals
18 inch rims with new Metzlers
Stainless braided steel brake line
Mazurkie (sp?) rear shocks
K&N SuperBike bars
Stock motor
New sprocket and chain

2900$

Call: Dave Chamberlain, (415) 957-1667

Cheers

DAVE COOPER
1970 750 Norton Commando Fastback - "Funky Cold Medina"
1973 850 Norton Commando Roadster/Fastback hybrid - "Baby Echidna"
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Time to find a frame shop and replace forks...
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:12:33 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

>In article <JET.92Dec18165125@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J.
>Eric Townsend) writes:
>>Anyone have suggestions on a good frame shop?

In article <8505@public.BTR.COM> sfi@public.BTR.COM (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs  sfi@btr.com) writes:
> I would recommend the Frame Man up in Sacramento. Very good shop.
> Not cheap. Good work. Probably cost you a few hundred (like 400-500)
> to have your frame and forks straightened.

  Just as an addition to Stefans good recommendation, find out what kind
of price you can get on a new frame.  The frame man is expensive and
sometimes a new one from the dealer will only be marginally more.
Xref: sparky ba.motorcycles:1269 rec.motorcycles:42737
From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Cleaning Motorcycle Goop With Lemons
Summary: Lemons work great at cleaning nasty bike spooge.
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:01:38 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.


    I had to share this with everybody.  I've tried a bunch of things to
clean my rear wheels of all the road crud and thrown chain lube.  I've tried

        Dawn           Works well enough, but you need a lot, and you have
                       to wipe up to really wash it off.

        Simple Green   Need to use full strength, need a lot.

        Baby Oil       Cleans well, but then you have to clean THAT off.

        WD-40          A bit better than baby oil, but the overspray gets on
                       my rear disc, it has to be cleaned off like baby oil,
                       and is rather expensive as a cleaner.

    Last night I was looking at my citrus hand cleaner and thought about
using citrus juice to clean the spooge off the rear wheel.  I've also heard
that an orange juice derivative is being used in several places to clean the
nasties off etched circuit boards, and I have a friend who uses a
citrus-based cleaner to clean up around his screen-printing rig.

    So last night I got a lemon from my lemon tree (nice to have around),
cut it in half and just started scrubbing the rear wheel.  It works great!
Even the stubborn streaks that usually take a bit of effort came right off.
I scrubbed with just a lemon half for a bit, and then just squeezed juice
onto a rag and tried that - both methods worked great.

    Advantages of using lemons:

        You can often get them for free.

        The residue just washes off with water.

        They really take the spooge off as good or better than the
        "traditional" cleaners listed above.

        You're not using spooge to clean spooge; I feel better about washing
        it down the driveway.

        Fresh lemony scent!

        You don't even have to really wash it off with water; you can just
        wipe the wheels clean with a rag afterward.

    I imagine that you could also use oranges or grapefruit.  I'm not sure
about kiwi's or passion fruit.  Coconuts are right out.

______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch                                   Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com                                 Santa Clara, California
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda GB500, Suzuki GS500E, or Yamaha Seca II ?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:22:30 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec20.002220.3224@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com
(Curtis Jackson) writes:
>New 1990 Honda GB500: This was the most recommended bike (well, that means
>it got 2 votes). Trouble is, I haven't yet seen one, but dealerships around
>this area can get me one for about $3500 before haggling begins. Seems a
>bit pricey for a 3-year-old 500, even new.

They were going for about $2700 plus setup/tax/random extortion
when dealers had them on their floors.

>Oh, for reference, I'm 5' 10". The GS500E felt much more like a toy under
>me than did the Seca II. Don't know about the GB500 (yet).

What do you want from the bike?  The "felt like a toy"
comment sounds like you're rejecting bikes that feel
different from your touring bike.  For a twisties
playbike, light weight and agility are important, power
less so.

Ride a used SRX6 and a Hawk before you make your decision.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Dual Compound Tires?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 02:33:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Hey,
Does anyone know anything about dual compound tires?
Ever used them,etc? I'm thinking of getting a pair for
my SRX-6 because the compKs are wearing out much, much
too rapidly under mainly commuter usage, although they
are pretty nice on twisty roads! 8)   

-uncle dan

p.s. Anyone know someone who is looking for a 1982KZ1000J?
From: khb@chiba.Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman fpgoup)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: ?Best faring for a '83 Sabre V45
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:59:56
Organization: SunPro
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: chiba


I've just come into possesion of said mount. The ride from LA back to
SJ reminded me of why I've always bought farings ;>

As the V45 has ample power for my simple needs, I'm more concerned
about comfort for a 5'6" rider who is too lazy to zip up an elaborate
set of electric chaps, gloves, "bras" and etc.

So something that covers the hands, chest, and even a good part of the
face is desired.

thanks in advance,

	khb

--
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Mountain View, CA 94043  <speaking for myself, not Sun*> Copyright 1992
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter gas
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:31:53 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <76012@apple.apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:

>>No one seems to know how much fuel economy suffers.  Estimates range
>>from 1% (EPA) to 27% (Fairbanks, Alaska cab drivers).

>Not that anyone asked, but my mileage went down 15% with the new
>gas.

My Fiero's milage dropped from about 20mpg to around 18. That's a 10%
decrease.

>Paul

Eric
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Time to find a frame shop and replace forks...
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:08:27 GMT

In article <JET.92Dec18165125@boxer.nas.nasa.gov>, jet@boxer (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

[what to do with frame-damaged CB750]

> -- scratch-built racer.  Shorten the rake a bit, put on some shorter
>forks, a set of clip ons, and a caliper wheel assembly that's a bit
>more sporty.

... and get BLOWN away by GSXRs and ZX7Rs.  Not worth investing any
money in as a race bike; you'd be sick of it before you got halfway
through your first set of race tires.  It could be a decent canyon
bike though.  Strip it down, pump it up, rearsets, clipons - the
classic CB750 cafe racer.

> -- brit-style japanese chopper.  strip off all the plastic and
>nonsense stuff, increase the rake a degree or three, get longer forks,
>a set of ape hangers, spoked wheels, and a solo tractor seat.  And
>paint the thing black with that high-quality Krylon brand paint.

From frame-damaged to brain-damaged.  This gives me The Willys.  

> -- Seriously stupid time (as in ditch a lot of the good stuff on the
>bike).  faux sidecar racing rig.  the less said the better.

This would be cool!  

>Hints, suggestions, clues, offers of insanity?

The problem is that you now have bikes which have a large overlap of
functionality.  They're both standards of about the same size and
capability.  If you can't think of anything useful to do with it, sell
it.  If you don't think you can get enough for it to cover having the
frame straightened, part it out.

--
- )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  DoD #400
From: sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lisa Sieverts)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:29:20 GMT
Subject: Contract Bridge and Motorcycles
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles

So what is the correlation between motorcycling and bridge playing?

Yeah, the card game.

Anyone else play?  Anyone else want to get together for some contract
bridge some night?

Send email.


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Lisa Sieverts                                        sievertl@corp.hp.com
DoD#511
                          '86 Yamaha Radian 600

no wonder america is in such bad state, americans can post but not read
                                                              -Laxlsk$2o
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From: kron@ueshiba.Corp.Sun.COM (Kenneth Kron)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves (Was: Re: Attn all riders
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:25:06 GMT
Reply-To: kron@ueshiba.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ueshiba.corp.sun.com

I recently saw a pair of over gloves in REI made of Goretex that is supposed to be windproof at up to
100 MPH.  Any negative comments??   `Less I hear otherwise I'll give them a try and report.



---
kron@mentor.sun.com
'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness
has genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: c60c-3gi@web-3b.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi)
Subject: using winter gloves for skiing
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:36:30 GMT


well, Im going skking after New Years and I'm currently getting rady for it.
I discovered the ski gloves I've used for the past about 4 years is too 
small, and I need a new one.  But, being poor (I can barely afford to pay for
rest of the ski trip expense, after it, I'll be completely broke!) I
would be happier if I could avoid buying a new pair of gloves.

So here is what I thought.  I have these pair of Difi Gortex winter 
golves for motorctylces.  It's pretty well padded and the Gortex
lining undre the leather supposedly gives 100% water resistence and the
leather is treated, so it supposedly does not get hard when itr get wet.
(That's why I can suposedly ride in rain and keep my hand dry and warm)
anyway, I was wondering if I could use my winter gloves for skiing.
I don't see any problem with it, but just in case there is something
I should know that I don't know about these gloves, Im asking.  :)

so what do ya think?  If this is a real bad idea for some reason, I could
always pull the credit card maneuver and buy a new ski glove, pay for it
later, but I want to avoid that id possible. :(

---Masa Karahashi
c60c-3gi@web.berkeley.edu
"I think its time to change major"
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:04:08

"cjackson" == Curtis Jackson <cjackson@adobe.com> writes:

cjackson> Then I sat on the thing, and my voice went up an octave.

Imagine having a passenger on the back and cranking on the brakes.  I
walked funny for an hour or two afterwards...  (The owner of the bike
said she *liked* the placement of the pointy thing and all the
vibrations that emitted from it... :-)

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWMOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:18:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.181625.1122@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.174919.11211@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>> >	"IMHO, the Seca II is one of the ugliest bikes ever built, and
>> >	it achieves that ugli-ness without the detriment of neon.  Yuck!"
>
>No no, the Yamaha TDM850 is the ugliest bike ever built. :)
>

You should have seen my 250 Zundapp Super Sabre. And it didn't even look
bad when I parked next to Honda Dreams! Or how about the early 450 Honda?
Or anything built by Suzuki prior to about 1980? Probably a selective memory
blotting out remembrances of these early design nightmares.

>> 
>> Puhleeeease.  Motorcycle vibrations are grossly overrated as related
>> to...umm...female sexual urges. 
>

Then why do they seem to get so fired up when riding on the back of my
Triumph? I'm certain it's not my ruggedly handsome good looks.

Jeff Achenbach
                                                  
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Winter gas
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:15:02 GMT

In article <76012@apple.apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
}robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:
}
}>No one seems to know how much fuel economy suffers.  Estimates range
}>from 1% (EPA) to 27% (Fairbanks, Alaska cab drivers).
}
}Not that anyone asked, but my mileage went down 15% with the new
}gas.

My mileage also went down 15%.
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves (Was: Re: Attn all riders!!!)
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:16:18 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec22.181212.26715@hspice.portal.com>,
georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.035142.9426@dumbcat.sf.ca.us>
>marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman) writes:
>
>>On the subject of Motorcycles, my winter gloves have worn through
>after three
>>years so my wife gets to get me a Christmas/Birthday present.  They
>were a
>>combination leather/gortex that kept the fingers mostly dry in the wet
>stuff.
>>Anybody see anything like them?
>
>     I bought a pair of Olympias last winter at Cycle Gear.  They have
>soft
>leather and a Gortex liner.  They're pretty bulky, with lots of
>insulation.
>Nice long gauntlets secured by velcro straps.  I understand Goretex
>isn't
>quite waterproof for motorcycling due to the force with which water
>hits a

I guess it just depends on the quality of product. I have been riding 
with Goretex for years (I got a jacket when they FIRST came out, when 
NOONE made Goretex with FACTORY sealed seems!!) I have ridden > 8 hours 
in steady rain MANY TIMES, and have never had a problem with leakage. 
Personally, I LOVE the stuff, and I have worn it a lot.

Just my (deflated) $0.02

Eddie
From: chrish@NAD.3Com.COM (Chris Hee)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Interesting challenge of helmet law
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:20:22 GMT
Reply-To: chrish@NAD.3Com.COM
Organization: 3Com Corp

In article <13682@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
>Didn't anybody see this?  A 73 year old man in Bakersfield
>is challenging California's year old helmet law on
>religious grounds.  Apparently he was cited while riding
>his moped, and his explanation to the judge that his
>religious beliefs requiring him to wear a turban (sp?) just
>didn't cut it.  I can see it now:  "Come join the Church
>of Free Flowing Hair!"  Are there any other challenges
>like this?

How much hair would a seventy year old man have after years of wearing a turban ?

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 17:32:43 GMT

In article <JET.92Dec22140408@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
> Imagine having a passenger on the back and cranking on the brakes.  I
> walked funny for an hour or two afterwards...  (The owner of the bike
> said she *liked* the placement of the pointy thing and all the
> vibrations that emitted from it... :-)

Ahhem, this is where proper riding position comes into play. Remember,
grip the tank with your knees?  On my bike, female riders tend to place
their hands on the tank when they're not distracting me :-) .

Mark

From: dave@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (David A. Day)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:19:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Battery Charger $5, NAPA Auto Parts
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles

I've heard the 'trickle charge' advice for (too) many years.  But being of
a practical nature, always used what was at hand.  I have an '86 Yamaha
FJ1200, and over the life of the stock Yuasa had about 6 low/dead battery
instances (who? me? leave the parking lites on overnite? never!).
Owning a 3 amp charger and a dead battery, I never hesitated to introduce
the two.  Initially the battery would take 3 amps, and yes, it got warm,
and yes, it certainly could have warped plates etc. etc., but would quicky
drop to 1 or 1.5 amps.  I always made sure the water was up to top before
connecting, then topped off again after finishing.  The result - the
battery lasted 5 years, then began to use water at a rate fast enough to
be irritating (I suspect it was not holding a charge well anymore, and was
losing the water when recharged by the system).  I switched it for a sealed
unit out of a desire for lower maintenance.  Bottom line is that I cannot
attribute any 'disaster' from using a 3 amp charger, and if it shortened
the battery life - oh well - 5 years is as long as I expected in the first
place.

However, I did get a 600 ma. unit along with the sealed battery :-)

Dave Day    hng off
  dave@cup.hp.com

         ()
      __//=\)
     (_)>>/(_)

'86 FJ1200 - let's get dangerous

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.201830.4373@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.181625.1122@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.174919.11211@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>> 
>>> Puhleeeease.  Motorcycle vibrations are grossly overrated as related
>>> to...umm...female sexual urges. 
>>
>
>Then why do they seem to get so fired up when riding on the back of my
>Triumph? I'm certain it's not my ruggedly handsome good looks.


Because they're so impressed that you kept it running for an entire ride!


--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
From: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Winter gas
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:54:36 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Originator: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU

The San Jose Mercury news ran an article today (12/30/92) on fuel economy
loss with oxygenated winter gasoline.

Among the salient points:

No one seems to know how much fuel economy suffers.  Estimates range
from 1% (EPA) to 27% (Fairbanks, Alaska cab drivers).

A Colorado environmental consulting firm (PRC Environmental Management Inc.)
claims to have found that the fuel only makes a difference in the emissions
of "dirty" (poorly tuned or defective) cars.  They claim the oxygenated fuel
is ineffective in reducing emissions in 90% of cars.


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