HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nolan@twg.com (Bernhard Krupp)
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Arms-R-Us
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:41:18 GMT


In article <lluguqINN49r@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Scearce) writes:
** What gets me is that I can't buy land mines or hand grenades.

Just how hard have you tried?

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: nolan@lurch.twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: Fleetwood Mac, Go Own Your Way!
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Distribution: alt.peeves
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:43:17 GMT


Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way wonders about Al Gore:

	Maybe Al just needs a laxative. (I've seen that "look" before.)

Could be impacted anal glands. If so he prolly needs a squeeze. It happens
alla time with our male cat.
--

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From: nolan@lurch.twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: Venues 
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:34:54 GMT


I said:
|>] Coyote Point Museum, South San Francisco - a natural science museum
|>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) responded:
|>Errr - is that supposed to be where to find it, or an 
|>alternate venue?  Coyote Point is in San Mateo - and I
|>can't think of much exploring on the Bay in SSF - maybe
|>a hike on the mountains?

Ah, gawrsh! It IS south of the AIRport, ennyhoo. The 'Point is sorta closer to
the Burlingame/San Mateo line, actually. I still like the place.

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
Subject: Re: Inauguration Parade Coverage (Was: Statistical bullshit)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 03:54:32 GMT

In <18480@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:

>!Peeve: Cat in the White House.

Peeve:  Pussy in the White House - See wishful-thinking about Feinstein,
        below.

>Peeve: "First Lady". What are they going to do when Dianne Feinstein
>	becomes President in the year 2000? Call Blum the "First Man"?
>	Sounds like an anthro project.

He'll be "First Gentleman."  Gentleman and Lady are the respective terms
used by landed gentry and other polite folk.

I don't know who scares me more - Dianne Feinstein or Ted Kennedy.  At
least Kennedy is consistent and true to his philosophy.  Feinstein is
like a loose cannon, always to be counted upon to do the politically-
expedient.

I don't agree with Ted Kennedy and I can't follow Feinstein's agenda.
But hey, it's The Year of the Woman here and it is The Year of the
Cock in China!  How about that Yin and Yang, eh?

A puzzled Young Democrat,
  -Bill
From: jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: FauxNoWhere (Was: Living in the Middle of Nowhere)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:31:59 GMT
Organization: Dark Satanic Mills
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu

In article <ATAYLOR.93Jan21135247@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
><In article <93021.105044SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
><Most of the time, I like living in the middle of nowhere.
> 
>	Sounds good to me. More and more I find myself
>	wishing I could live "in the middle of nowhere".
>
More and more I find myself wishing I could drive my truck all the
way up my driveway without sticking it halfway up.  I also wish firewood
was lighter, my neighbors were smarter, and that nothing within five miles
was valuable enough to mine.

Peeve: greener grass.

!Peeve:  I save lots of money on curtains.  No, I don't have an address.

Peeve:  They're trying to give me one.  The guy who got to name the roads
named them after his kids, wife and friends (to wit: Witt's End).  

!Peeve:  He ran out of friends before he got to my street.
[...]
>
>	"Middle of Nowhere" means you drive, oh, more than 20
>	milese (32km) to get to the first place that sells
>	bread, soft drinks and newspapers.
>
And charge you 3.00 a gallon for gas and 5.00 a gallon for milk.
They even sell firewood in these places, smack in the middle of a
National Forest.  There is a market for firewood because the campers
have picked the campgrounds clean (notwithstanding the fact that they
drove past miles littered with dry, dead branches).  One enterprising
neighbor of mine sells firewood in the campgrounds out of the bed of
his truck.  He probably gets $200 a cord for it.

>	"Middle of Nowhere" means there ain't a china/silver/stuff
>	store within, oh, 100 to 200 miles (160 to 320km). 
>
>	There's places like that in Nuevo Mexico, and I ain't
>	tellin' where they are, neither.
>
Jeez, there's more Nowhere here than anything else.  No need to be coy.

Carcinoma update:  non-small-cell.  This is good news.  I may have to
bribe the surgeon to take a picture because they seem reluctant to let
loose of potential biohazardous material.

Jenny
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From: russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:19:54 GMT
Organization: russ at home in Albuquerque New Mexico

In article <C1Jqs3.2q2@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>
>>there are two reasons why people commit crimes:
>>
>>(1) because it's fun.
>>and (2) because it pays.
>
>Certainly those reasons are true, but there not the only reasons.  The guy
>who is on an $85 per day coke habit (or whatever), is going to get those
>85 bucks no matter what it takes, and it's usually crime.

I've been addicted to 3 compounds in my life (Librium, amphetamines
and nicotine), and I dropped each one for different reasons when it
became necessary (money was only one reason).  If you don't have
money, don't take up expensive hobbies.

If they can't stop maybe we should just put them out of their clearly
miserable existance?

Peeve: "victimology"  Everybody's a victim, and it's not their fault. 
"I'm addicted to drugs 'cause I came from a dysfunctional family" -
fuck that.  A lot of us came from dysfunctional families (I could tell
stories about leaving home when I was 13, but I digress) but the rest
of us don't blame our past for what we choose to do now.

I read an op-ed piece that totaled up the officially protected types
under the ADA and various other civil rights acts, and came up with a
number on the order of 300%.  I think that from now on we should just
have a list of those that aren't protected and leave it at that. 
Maybe when our govenment grows up we can stop keeping lists of
protected and unprotected types of people and uniformly protect all
types.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home   russ@bbx.basis.com, bbxrbk!russ@bbx.basis.com
"It's better to be quotable than to be honest" - Tom Stoppard
From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Solipsism and Don. Or "How Don made himself Thick."
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:05:48 GMT
 <1993Jan20.180440.13481@igor.tamri.com>
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <1993Jan20.180440.13481@igor.tamri.com>, Don Baldwin writes:

> Good luck, Russ.  I imagine Dac is sitting in a corner with his fingers
> in his ears, going "LA-LA-LA-I CAN'T HEAR YOU FOO FOO HEADS!".

Out of the keyboards of compunerdygeeks ... [& honorary rednecks]

Dac
--
'You do know that a 'redneck' in Australia is the brand name of a
 popular boutique beer?'
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From: russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,soc.singles
Subject: Re: More Things Learned at the Exploratorium
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:35:39 GMT
Organization: russ at home in Albuquerque New Mexico

In article <1993Jan28.051903.23784@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Now, now, now - you, too, could be hit by a car tomorrow, or have a stroke,
>(CVA for the medical folks out there), or a heart attack and have your brain
>deprived of oxygen for 5+ minutes or so, and you would be mentally
>indistinguishable from those you so callously call "mentally retarded".
>
>That phrase went out (thank diety!) a while back - too many derogatory
>connotations.

Don't worry, in about 7-8 years "mentally challenged" will have
exactly the same connotations as "mentally retarded" does now.  It's
the examples of society pointed out as "mentally challenged" that will
have thes effect on the connotation of the phrase, just as it did on
"mentally retarded".

As an example look at the swings of other PC phrases: Black,
Afo-American, Colored, "People of Color", etc.  I think we're back to
Black, but I'm not entirely sure - I haven't read Time in a couple of
years.

>We now return you to our regularly scheduled flame war.

Screw that - I want a new one.  'ol Lawrence from wpg isn't effective
- I really expected more from the talk.politics.animals group.  If
their arguments are as weak as I've seen here I can't help but believe
that most of their adherents came from the shallow end of the genetic
pool.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home   russ@bbx.basis.com, bbxrbk!russ@bbx.basis.com
"It's better to be quotable than to be honest" - Tom Stoppard
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: "Upgrades"
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:44:00 GMT
Organization: Legion of Underworld Cheese
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1jvg1mINNbfm@lynx.unm.edu> baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris "Jabba the Hut of Usenet" Baldwin) writes:
>
>ObPeeve: The computers around here were just "upgraded", the macs to
>System 7 and the IBMs to Windows(tm). So now, we have machines that run
>a lot slower, don't do as much as they used to and no one knows how
>to do anything on them. Some upgrade.

I hear ya, dood.

A few months ago I was teaching some Mac classes on SEs that had been
"upgraded" to System 7.  Besides having to do the translation of System
6 *and* System 7 "...and if you're using System 6 you'll see this, but 
since the university here has graced us with System 7...", I had to
explain a *minimum* of three times a class that yes, the machine would
respond slowly to commands, and no, hitting the key *several* times
would not make it go faster.

ObDanClassComment: "*Select* what you want to change, say *how*
you want it changed, *then* go and get me a Pepsi or something while you
wait for it to happen."

But System 7 is kinda cool for several reasons:

!Peeve: Cool noises. There's something delightfully silly about a room
full of computers quacking.

!Peeve: Easy networks. C'mon, Chris, make sure all of the Macs on the
network are set so you can access any file. Delete files from disks
without having to leave your desk! Insert rude suggestions in the 
middle of users' documents! It's fun!

!Peeve: It's winter. Tell naive users that the computers are taking longer
to work because they're cold. Tell them that rubbing the computer while
they work will make it go a lot faster.

And whatdayaknow, in the summer the computers will be too warm. Better
blow on them to speed them up.

-- 
"What one must not do, no matter what, is to keep kneading the penis as if one
 were preparing dinner rolls. This will only make him sad. Also refrain from
 saying wistfully, "Do you think it will go up soon?"" --Cynthia Heimel
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: daughere@spot.Colorado.EDU (E.L. Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Upper Respiratory, USA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:46:49 GMT

In article <1jvg1mINNbfm@lynx.unm.edu> baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.044417.17771@netcom.com> geoffm@netcom.com (Not Of This Earth) writes:
>>Peeve:  Where the hell are Dan Hillman and Tim Mefford?
>
>	Dan, on the other hand, moved to Colorado. Supposedly he
>was going to keep reading a.p from UNM and keep in touch. He hasn't.
>My theory is that moving up by his LivingManToolReceptorUnit has
>given him something better to do than read news.

Yes; it has.

Say hello to Palmala for me, Chris.

-- 
 
"I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch." --Gilda Radner 
            

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: Blair.Haworth@launchpad.unc.edu (Blair Haworth)
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:03:27 GMT

In article <1jqp5fINN246@lynx.unm.edu> gregm@centauri.unm.edu (greg moritz) writes:
>> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com(A. Jing Hippy) writes:
>> >But we don't *need* the guns.  If they weren't around, then that's 1400
>> >people that would still be here today.  
>> were NOT people who have been trained to handle guns safely.  

[...]
>I don't think that you can translate 1400 deaths by firearms into 1400 less
>deaths were the firearms eliminated.  If there were no guns available, how
>many of those 1400 would have been shot with bow and arrow or blowguns?  Some
>of those 1400 deaths were, no doubt deliberate.  How many of those gunshots
>would have been replaced by stabs with something pointy?  etc.

Nonono.  That 1400-death figure (~5.6 per million population) is
_accidental_ casualties, so the point, while well-taken, is inappropriate.
The proper question to ask is this:

A lot (arguably almost all, but let's be charitable) of these 1400, or
rather, the people who incurred the 1400 deaths, can be categorized as
idiots; isn't it kind of likely that they'd've still rung up a pretty good
score without the help of ordnance?  Unless you live like Emily Dickinson
(arguably the sort of life the Nat'l Safety Council would like to see us
lead), everyday life is fraught with perils even if you've got a decent
supply of clues.  How many of these 1400 stiffs would still have been
created by these same clowns sticking a fork in the toaster, running their
car into a tree (or bus, or LP tanker), misusing household chemicals, or
getting squicked by lawn darts?

Peeve:  the idea that the government exists to make the world safe for
goofballs.

!Peeve: P.J. O'Rourke's seminal essay "Safety Nazis":  Pain is the body's
way of showing us we're boneheads."

For some unfathomable reason,
 

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From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Peeve du jour
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:04:02 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <1993Jan23.043709.17206@netcom.com>, Not Of This Earth writes:

> In article <C19qnx.8wr@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com 
> (Dave "Pecksniff" Munroe) writes:
> 
> >My peeve is that a vomitory isn't what I thought it was.
> 
> Peeve:  People who won't let the other shoe drop.
> 
> Well, what's it all mean, Mr. Natural?
> 
> Peeve:  People who are too goddam lazy to get off their ass and go grab
> 	a dictionary.
> 

!Peeve: Playing the 'dictionary' game: Someone is designated
        dictionary, chooses a word in the dictionary, and asks if
	anyone knows what it means. If not, then everyone writes
	down a definition, and hands it in to the designated dictionary,
	who reads them all out, including his own dictionary definition,
	and the players try to guess the real definition.

Peeve:  Choosing 'menhaden', and writing down the most ubiquitous
        definition ever "North American Fish"(*), and having my
	partner successfully choose that as the dictionary definition
	because she thought [correctly] that I was trying to pull a fast
	one. Grump.

Peeve:  Coming equal second out of six players.

(*) not being American's we'd never heard of 'menhaden'. Quelle
    surprise.

Dac
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:08:33 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cobra.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <C1Jnxu.1Kv@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>
>Gun control laws deflect attention
>away from the real issue which is the growing number of people who choose
>to commit violent crimes (with a gun, knife, bare hands, or whatever).  And I
>think the reasons for that are drugs, broken families, and a justice/
>rehabilitation system that just doesn't work.

Peeve: people who think people commit crime because of "drugs and broken
families."

I will not count myself among the especially worldly, but I
have known enough criminals dilettante or professional to know
that there are two reasons why people commit crimes:

(1) because it's fun.
and (2) because it pays.

And nine out of ten times it will be (1).

Few Europeans realize this, which is why there's so little
crime in Europe.  Even the British lower class has largely
forgotten that crime can be fun, and now limit their sport
to raves and shaven heads.  It's sad.

Perhaps they would all get better if they stopped putting
rubber bands round their balls.

c
From: hosch2263@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Inauguration Parade Coverage (Was: Statistical bullshit)
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:59:21 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        The only reason I watched the stupid thing  was because there was an
ice storm in the area and they were running the cancellations across the bottom
of the screen.

Peeve: Tipper Gore
Related Peeve: First lady's hats.
Related Peeve: Chelsea Clinton is a dog.


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From: raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee)
Subject: Re: "... man tends to be lazy"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:25:09 GMT

In <1jq8osINNclm@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

>Some of these people do get arrested for their activities, of course,
>although precisely what they're charged with is unclear to me.  
>Felonious stupidity, possibly.  Maybe a worthwhile deterrent to
>such foolishness would be to make the arrest experience a bit more
>traumatic, so as to prevent recidivism among the less hardened among

they could be hauled off to the station house tied to the bumper of the 
game warden's landcruiser.....
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From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Upper Respiratory, USA
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:33:42 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan23.044417.17771@netcom.com> geoffm@netcom.com (Not Of This Earth) writes:
>Peeve:  Where the hell are Dan Hillman and Tim Mefford?

	I don't know nothing about Tim's whereabouts. Last I heard from
him, he wanted one of us NM peevers to go to Santa Fe and get him some
kind of chili mix or something. He told me that someone else had already
volunteered to get it for him. Perhaps it killed him...
	Dan, on the other hand, moved to Colorado. Supposedly he
was going to keep reading a.p from UNM and keep in touch. He hasn't.
My theory is that moving up by his LivingManToolReceptorUnit has
given him something better to do than read news.

ObPeeve: The computers around here were just "upgraded", the macs to
System 7 and the IBMs to Windows(tm). So now, we have machines that run
a lot slower, don't do as much as they used to and no one knows how
to do anything on them. Some upgrade.

-- 

"My essential point is that the First Amendment does more for men
than it does for women by protecting speech that supports patrimony"
  -- Law Prof. Mary Becker, U of Chicago Law School
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: More Things Learned at the Exploratorium
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:12:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.063040.854@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>jennyg@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Well Paid in Name Only) writes:
>] 
>] So far we have no good method of distinguish-
>] ing criminals and psychopaths from normal folk.  At least, not the really
>] dangerous ones.
>
>Also Worth Noting, It is Prudent NOT to have a
>gathering at the Exploritorium with a Collection
>of Net.Nerds the same day as there is a Special ED
>class full of folks who are mentally challenged.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

     Don't you mean "mentally retarded"?  Are you turning into a PC
nut now?

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From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Another "I'm getting old" peeve
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:18:46 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <1993Jan26.181753.19196@email.tuwien.ac.at> alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky) writes:
[rant deleted for the most part]
>
>what i *do* care about is what you post here. christ, i read this group
>because i want to read *peeves*! if you can cast the pains that come
>with age (or any other subject matter) into interesting, funny, 
>provocative prose; go ahead. 


OK.

Buster The Basset: 1
Booter The Human: 0

A colleague brought his basset to work. It is 2 years old. I am 36 years
old. Buster whined and whined and whined, so I offered to take him for
a walk. Hah. More like a drag without the sled. I got one end of the leash
and Buster went off like a shot down the hallway and out the door. We
ran around the building, through the park next to the building and Buster
must have said hello to about a dozen other dogs.  

I did not know Basset hounds were supposed to be this wired. He must
have some terrier or HellHound in him.

I found it all amusing and returned the dog to his owner.

Today, I was sitting in a meeting and realized my legs hurt like hell.
When I got up, I realized that my back was in rotten shape as well. I
went through the mental attic to try to remember what boxes I lifted 
or, for that matter, what Volkswagen I carried on my back. Then I 
remembered.  It was that lively 15 minute sprint all over the boatyards
of Sausalito and the hearty pull on a leash that only a 60+ pound
youthful dog can generate.

Back to catland for me.



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the lemurs that are trouble.
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