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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: tips for Indiana, Ohio ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:49:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BvGL59.JFw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stresres@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Vanetten) writes:
>Indiana also has a few new Camaro RSs, in the Lafayette-65 area look for a
>bright metallic green and a black one, (less common than the green one), 
>also any dark Mustang LX with a Marines bumper sticker or stuffed Garfield
>in the window.  (Just wait, we probably have one of the gentlemen listening
>in!).  Oh, and one white RS for the city of Lafayette.
>
>Also, Purdue Univ. has a total of FIVE undercover cars now, three old Caprices,
>gray, blue, and dark red, and two new whales, black and midnight blue, both
>with Limo tint all around. (?WHY?due to the new style, MOST new Caprices are
>cops!!) And also a white full size Blazer with BIG tires.  And West Lafayette
>has an S-10 with a topper,(blue), and a Jimmy-Blazer (Blue, w/ black rims.).
>
>(Welcome to the United Police States of America)
>
>
>Mark
>
>And that is just P.U.s undercover force,
>not counting the marked cars!!!!!
>

gee, how nice that our tax dollars buy the police sports cars and that they
can tint the windows to a level of darkness that would be illegal for us to
do.  oh well...guess it is all worth it to get those evil speeders off the
road.  plus i am sure they generate enough revenue(taxes) to pay for their
toys.
From: teek@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Prateek Dwivedi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:20:36 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1a3j4sINNo9c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
>
<< Stuff deleted >>
>In Malaysia and Singapore they also drive on the left, and I think all the 
>Commonwealth countries do.

Isn't Canada commonwealth?  We surely don't drive on the left. 
-- 
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From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:34:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<ILH.92Sep24180421@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Sep25.143102.16803@osf.org> <BvAKwr.Fq0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<BvCBxJ.3HK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <BvCBxJ.3HK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
 > In article <1992Sep28.174159.19409@linus.mitre.org> ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
 > >>Someone wanna tell us lay people what that really means? ;-)
 > >
 > >     "Laminar" in this context is used to describe smooth flows of
 > >fluid. It is the opposite of "turbulent".
 > 
 > [Excellent explanation deleted.]
 > 
 > >     A simplistic treatment of traffic flow is as an ideal Newtonian
 > >liquid. In reality it deviates in many cases, acting more like a
 > >thixotropic fluid.
 > 
 > Now, the big question: how does a thixotropic fluid behave when the test
 > tube it's flowing through reaches a funnel with half the cross sectional
 > area as the tube? How does the flow rate through the funnel compare to
 > the flow through the larger tube behind? What happens if one fluid
 > molecule cuts off another fluid molecule just before entering the
 > funnel? ;-)

Aren't there a whole ton of collisions in any sort of fluid flow?
What's a safe following distance for a molecule, anyway? :-)
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
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From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Fighting Tickets (Was: Speeding Tickets)
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:54:48 GMT
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.


     I have heard that the Nolo Press book on fighting a traffic ticket
was one of the best; however, I tried to write Nolo Press for their
catalog and the address I had was obsolete, resulting in my letter being
returned.  Does anyone have the current address of Nolo Press?

Joe Naiman
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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:39:29 GMT

csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:

>Generally the cyclists around here(Clemson, SC) are about as courteous as can
>be expected, staying near the shoulder(no bike trails here), signalling their
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    This is another thing that should be stressed in this discussion:  don't
get ticked off at cyclists that don't hug the shoulder.

    Number one, they don't have to, they're vehicles just like cars.  There
is usually a lot of gravel spillover on the sides of the roads from the
shoulders, and the roads are rarely kept swept.

    Number two, next time you're out driving or walking, look at the storm
drain gratings on the sides of the road, and especially look which way the
slots are oriented.  Chances are they're parallel to traffic.  Now imagine
hitting one of those babies at 25mph while you're trying to keep up with
traffic to keep from being run off the road.  Imagine going over the handle-
bars and laying unconscious in the street while cars keep coming.  Starting
to get scared?

    I'd just like all you non-cyclists out there to keep in mind that a good
portion of the problem is that by and large, road engineers don't think AT
ALL about cyclists and make things very rough for them as a result.  Next
time you get ticked off at a cyclist, put yourself in his/her place first,
THEN see what you would have done.

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
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From: jbn@photon.photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Re: Request for advice in a traffic trial
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:53:31 GMT

The only time I ever contested a ticket, the officer never filed a report
(I asked for a trial by declaration, meaning the officer doesn't need to
show up) and my case was dismissed.

As a previous poster indicated, don't let the cop know you plan to challenge
the ticket, or he'll show up and be prepared.  Just be silent and surprise
him when you plead not guilty.

Joe Naiman

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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: 55:  And Then There Were (Please Help)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:53:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.193106.27903@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.191804.3309@photon.com>
>jbn@photon.photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>
>> I thought that nine states still had 55:  ....
>But you forgot Massachusetts.  Funny how they're all in
>the northeast, huh?
>Bri

     Western portions of the Mass Pike (starting about 30 miles out of
Boston) are now 65 through to the NY state line.

     Now if we can just get some of the other places the government
prostitutes the law to raise revenue fixed up...

							Peter Trei

Disclaimer: I don't thnk my employer has an opinion on speed limits...
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Subject: Re: tips for Indiana, Ohio ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.214926.16223@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>[In re unmarked Mustangs and Camaros]
>gee, how nice that our tax dollars buy the police sports cars 
> 
Maybe some are seized under the "pre-trial asset-forfeiture" program.
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: BUSTED!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:17:39 GMT

A friend of mine got a ticket on US A1A for doing 80ish (75 to 85)
yesterday...thats not that bad part...the cop was beign a jerk...and
wrote up that the driver ENDANGERED the lives of the 3 passengers
in the car & others around him....

Can they do that? I got nabbed by the CHiPs and all he said was
"Your going to fast...here is a ticket" <more or less>...and I was doing
the same speeds as he was...

PIGS...can't live with em...Can't shoot em.
--
           Marshal Perlman <> Florida Institute of Technology 
                    ***** perlman@zach.fit.edu ***** 
               Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:42:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.021823.24772@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas   
Tovornik) writes:

>    Originally, most cars were built with right hand drive. This means that
> the custom was to drive on the left-hand side of the road, all over the
> world.
> 
>    One man changed all that by introducing a cheap car with the quirky idea
> of left-hand drive(the way all cars are now set up in North America.) The
> man was a bit of an eccentric. His name was Henry Ford.

Are you sure about this?  I don't know if my facts are straight, but what I
heard contradicts your version, though please don't flame me if I am wrong,
which I may very well be.
However, England had always driven on the left side of the road, which in
fact is the right (correct) side because in dueling (in the old days) men
would carry their swords in the right hand, and when charging on a horse,
you would want to approach the opponent on the left side, etc. etc.
Anyway, the newly formed United States, wanting no part of England, wanted
to do everything different.  This even went as far as making German the
official language of the country.  But one thing that was changed was
driving on the left.  Instead, America would drive on the right, just to
be different from those bloody Brits.
I don't make the news, I just report it, and this is what I had heard.
--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Is NY no fault?
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: ny,nj,ct,pa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:28:27 GMT


	I just got in an accident where I hit someone who cut in front of
me to make a turn onto a side street. Even though he was in a *HUGE* Lincoln
Continental and I was on my motorcycle, I was the one who did the damage.

	Now seeing as I hit him on the side, but coming from behind, I assume
that it will be called my fault (and it probably was, somewhat) but he was
driving like an idiot too.

	So my question is, does NY have no-fault insurance claims? Or does it
have to be my insurance vs. his insurance.

	E-mail or posted responses are fine, I never seem to leave the news...

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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:39:15 EDT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> I would greatly appreciate any ideas concerning how to avoid receiving a spee
> ng ticket.  I have a speech comm. class presentation due on Oct. 5.  I need e
> ugh practical methods to speak about for ten minutes.


I'm sure you'll get several other versions, but here's mine. FWIW, I 
haven't received a speeding ticket since 1982.

1. Always, always have a radar detector.
2. Figure the odds of a cop hiding 1/4 mile ahead of you. Is there a 
blind turn coming up? Could be a coop area..
3. Keep track of who's behind you. Especially beware of plain-looking 
cars occupied by a single male.
4. stay out of the left lane unless necessary.
5. drive a plain-looking car, no flashy wheels, no bumper stickers, and 
keep the body in good condition. In other words, be unnoticable.
6. Don't get distracted. If you're going 70, you can come up on a new 
hidey-hole in only a few seconds. If you want to check a map or reach for 
that soda on the console, slow down to 60 for a few seconds.
7. Beware of long, straight downhill roads. It's even money there'll be a 
cop at the bottom.
8. If you can, let an equally fast driver get about 1/4 mile ahead of 
you. On a long cross-country drive on I-80, I've traded "scout" position 
with 3 or 4 other drivers for a stretch of 100-200 miles. It allows the 
middle drivers to relax a little while the nose and rear guards watch 
out.
9. Police-band scanners are less than worthless, unless you *really* know 
how and where the locals usually operate. Trying to decipher locations on 
the fly will get you distracted from watching the road.
10. Changing radio station/tape/CD? SLOW DOWN! The two seconds your eyes 
are off the road could get you a ticket - or accident.
11. Resist the urge to do a high-speed pass by a marginally slow driver. 
You'll be angry, and busily flipping him the bird while you *should* be 
watching for smokey.
12. Your radar detector is only one of the countermeasures available to 
you - and not nearly as good as your eyes and common sense. Use them all.

--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:59:37 GMT

In article 14143@cbfsb.cb.att.com, ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:
>From article <trussell.718386759@cwis>, by trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell):
>> 
>>     And please DON'T start these stupid arguments of breaking down taxes
>> paid and saying "you can't do this because you don't pay taxes for it".
>> If you want to start that, we can talk about cigarette smokers not paying
>> their fair share of health costs, you name it.  This is a society, and we
>> all pay for everything.
>> 
>Hear, hear!  Too many people seem to think we live in a state of
>nature, where the greatest good is to look out for oneself, and
>everyone else can go hang.  However, the cigarette smokers are
>actually cheaper in the long run, because they die sooner (from
>The Economist magazine [the data, not the deaths]).  Presumably
>this is because the 1st expensive disease is fatal, rather than
>the 10th.
>

Why bring smoking into this? If you insist, I will. Smokes cost about
six bucks for a pack of twenty. Most of that is tax. This is in Canada.
Why is all this tax put on? To pay for healthcare.

I am not arguing for bikers to stop using roads. I was just wondering
why they don't use the bike path 30 feet away. So far, all I got was
a bunch of lame excuses.

Andy.


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From: david@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (David Masters)
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:38:58 GMT

dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>> I would greatly appreciate any ideas concerning how to avoid receiving a spee
>> ng ticket.  I have a speech comm. class presentation due on Oct. 5.  I need e
>> ugh practical methods to speak about for ten minutes.


>I'm sure you'll get several other versions, but here's mine. FWIW, I 
>haven't received a speeding ticket since 1982.

My record is not quite as perfect, but nearly.

>1. Always, always have a radar detector.

In Australia, radar detectors were banned about 2 years ago. The
queer thing is, I still haven't got a ticket. I now believe that the
rest of the points are the most important. Keep you eyes open and
pay attention. 

I know that I haven't slowed down       :-)

[ other points deleted for brevity ]

david
-- 
David Masters, Group Leader - UNIX, 
BHP Information Technology, Newcastle, AUSTRALIA.
Internet: david@bhpese.oz.au        	     Phone: +61 49 402132
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From: johnb@searchtech.com (John Baldwin)
Subject: Re: White vs yellow speed limit signs
Organization: Search Technology, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:57:26 GMT

In article <Buzx7F.707@world.std.com> tonym@world.std.com (Tony Matt) writes:
>
>When I first started driving in Massachusetts I was quite annoyed to 
>discover that the Commonwealth does not generally use advisory speed
>limit signs (some localities may, but I've never seen one for a curve 
>on a state highway).  The usual practice is to change the speed limit
>for that turn or stretch of road, then change it back.

   Yep.  That sounds about like the Massachusetts state legislature motto:

   "Let's make everything either mandatory or prohibited!"    :-)



   Gee.  And I even get to come up there and drive some TODAY.


-- 
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Search Technology, Inc.                             uupsi!srchtec!johnb
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Norcross, Georgia  30092   USA
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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:18:23 GMT

In article 24490@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca, q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student) writes:
>In article <rlewis.717618036@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
>>>In Malaysia and Singapore they also drive on the left, and I think all the 
>>>Commonwealth countries do.
>>We sure don't in Canada.
>
>But we did at one time.  We switched to the right side after WWI.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Newfoundland was still driving on the left when they joined Canada
>in 1949, if I'm not mistaken.

   Originally, most cars were built with right hand drive. This means that the 
custom was to drive on the left-hand side of the road, all over the world.

   One man changed all that by introducing a cheap car with the quirky idea
of left-hand drive(the way all cars are now set up in North America.) The
man was a bit of an eccentric. His name was Henry Ford.

   Around 1915(the exact year,I forget), Henry's Model T became so popular
that people would get confused getting out of one car and into a Model T.
Since more than half the cars were model T's, other manufacturers started
copying the left-hand drive trademark to avoid the confusion. Soon, all but
a few cars were made with left-hand drive. 

   In order to avoid accidents, we all switched to driving on the right side
of the road because if you are on the left side of the car, you can see more 
of the road that way.

   Countries where Henry's T was popular now drive on the right side of the
road, and they drive on the left in places that were once British colonies,
with the exception of Canada. Some countries got into driving only later
and chose what they preferred.

Partial list of countries  where motorists drive on
the left side of the road.

Australia,UK,India,South Africa,New Zealand,Japan,Malaysia...

Partial list of countries where motorists drive on
the right side of the road.

USA,Canada,Mexico,France,Germany,Italy,Spain,Switzerland,Sweden...

Add to these if you wish.

Andy.
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: BUSTED!
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:10:03 GMT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:

> A friend of mine got a ticket on US A1A for doing 80ish (75 to 85)
> yesterday...thats not that bad part...the cop was beign a jerk...and
> wrote up that the driver ENDANGERED the lives of the 3 passengers
> in the car & others around him....

Well, is it true? If he was doing 80 around tight, blind turns, or on
bald tires, then I'd tend to agree. But if it's just the case that he
was going above the double-nickel, then the cop just needed to generate
some extra revenue.

> Can they do that? I got nabbed by the CHiPs and all he said was
> "Your going to fast...here is a ticket" <more or less>...and I was doing
> the same speeds as he was...

They're cops. They can do just about anything they please.




--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Stubborn Cyclists
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 03:00:58 GMT



  Here's my problem: I drive to school every day. The road is full of cars
wall-to-wall. I usually keep right because the left lane jams up when 
somebody makes a left turn. There is a bike trail not 10 meters (30 feet)
to the right of the road. These cyclists with their wide-handlebar mountain
bikes are scary because one of them has to just make a sudden move and he's
under my 245/50/VR16's.

  Up to now, I just swerve half into the left lane, provided that I can 
squeeze in between other cars. Otherwise, I pass between the left-lane
traffic and the biker by a hair.

  Am I the only one who bitches about bikers not using bike trails?

  Does this happen to you, too?

  What can we do besides drive HUMMERs (which are wide) and plead to the
  judge that we didn't see them when they find bike parts and guts stuck
  to our wheels?

Andy.

IGNORANCE disclaimer applies. 

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From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:24:20 GMT

crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark) writes:

>Adventure from the east coast.  For all you non-NJites, it's a one
>lane-in-each-direction road with a 50 mph limit (outside of towns) with
>hills and sporadic passing zones.  I came up on a line of 8 (EIGHT) cars
>just about bumper to bumper, with a empty space a 1.5 car lenghts long
>between cars 3 and 4 (from the back).  I signalled a lane change and gunned
>the gas to about half wide-open, and then signalled right as I approached
>the gap.  The van driver that was car #3 actually accelerated towars car #4,
>closing the gap off!!! 

This is a lesson I learned early on: NEVER COUNT ON THE OTHER GUY to cooperate 
with you. Most of the time they will be courteous and help you out, but 
there's gonna be that one time where the guy is an *ssh*l* (as in your example)
or simply asleep at the wheel (VERY common, alas) and they won't do whatever
it is you need them to do, leaving you in a dangerous situation.

Remember this the next time you're thinking of pulling out onto that busy 
street in front of the low rider Delta 88 and you need him to slow down for 
you so you can complete the maneuver. ;-)

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

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