HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:57:37 GMT

In article <l8vsg4INNt8n@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> So where do the snaps come from?  From the movie version of _Bell
> Book and Candle_ (1958), starring Kim Novak as a beatnik/witch 
> whose familiar is a cat named Pyewacket.  

I don't buy this.  Snapping certainly predated "Bell, Book,
and Candle," which only parodied it.  If you can document 
a necessary connection between the two I'd be really interested
in seeing it.  Note also that while women shared in beat 
culture, camp is pretty much of a male thing (though some
of us were blessed with mothers who would spend entire dinners
discoursing on the career of Ralph Meeker, especially as
related to B movie history), calling into question the
claimed greater inclusiveness of the queer movement over
the older gay and lesbian movement (assuming your assertion
is true).

My take on 'queer style' is that it's simply coming from
the tradition of bad Boho.  Adolescent ennui, and all that.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:52:37 GMT

[]
I think they're plenty evil.  I've been shocked by the
hate level in Houston this week.  It used to be that
they were worthy opponents;  now, they're evil buffoons
(Steven King's "It").  Was anyone else unnerved by
Dan Quayle's Nazi salutes from the podium last night?

Actually, I think it's important to distinguish between
the Republican leadership and the average Republican.
Their leadership has completely sold them out to the
radical Christian right.  What was once the party of
Barry Goldwater has become the party of Pat Robertson.
How else can you explain the platform plank calling
for a Constitutional amendment banning abortion, when
55% of the delegates to the convention are pro-choice?
How else can you explain Dan Quayle's appearance on the
ticket when he has an approval rating among Republicans
of *11%*?  
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Rob Foye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jeans
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:51:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.151439.19989@panix.com>, ro@panix.com (r l reid)
poses a question to Furr Madison:
|> Well, I can dig it, but I got a question - how do you avoid that
|> embaressing wet spot after you pee?
|> 
	Somehow, after reading about Furr's piss-and-motor-oil-parties, I
don't think he'd be embarassed by a little bitty wet spot on his jeans.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Deeper Master!  Take it Bitch!
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:48:32 GMT

Jack Hamilton (jfh@netcom.com) lauds _Straight Talk About
Homosexuality for Straight Readers_:
 
> A friend of mine and I spent hours giggling over it,
> particularly the description of a typical homosexual love scene: 
> 
>    A:  Shove it deeper, master!
>    B:  Take it, you bitch! 
> 
> We both agreed that if anyone every used either of those lines on us, we
> would get up and leave, just as soon as we stopped laughing.

I'm *sold*!  Where can I find a copy tonight?

Actually, I thought that exchange would make a 
wonderful subject line.

And it *did* remind me of something.  Another one 
of those embarrassing-things-said-in-bed stories.  
I can't quite remember now [*so* sorry, I was busy 
at the time] just what the phrase actually was, or 
whether Jim or I said it, but the mutual reaction 
stopped the action: "I thought people only said that 
in cheap porn films!"

Thereafter, we made frequent use of "oooh, baby, 
[harder | deeper | longer | faster | &c.]."

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Programming for the World of Bob Sargol
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.023533.28697@macc.wisc.edu>  
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 1.  Are we sure we know homophobia when we see it?  Not in
>     the obvious cases (bashing, name-calling, blatant
>     discrimination), but rather in the case when the
>     opponent thinks (rightly or wrongly) they are merely
>     expressing a divergent opinion?

This is close to a question I'm trying to deal with right now.  My
department chair (and chair of my tenure committee, naturally)
has become increasingly hostile to me over time.  I'm trying
to figure out just what I'm doing that is causing this hostility
which seems far beyond that caused by the problems I've
been involved in.  

So, how do you determine if someone's hostility is homophobia
or just overreaction to stuff you've done wrong?  I suspect
that at the heart, much of his reaction is indeed homophobia
- at least that the homophobia is amplifying his anger over the 
things that I _have_ done wrong, but how can one verify that?
 
--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:39:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.030903.11288@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <15749@star.cs.vu.nl>

This has been a week from HELL.

First, I am told that my mother's macular degeneration has
progressed to the point that, while she still has some sight, she
is now legally blind.

Second, I return to work after a harrowing trip back from a
weekend excursion to find out that our Art Director's lover has
just died.

Then I read the net and find out that Rob Bernardo -- who I never
managed to meet in person -- has died.

I think I'm going to go put on Hiroshima's _Thousand Cranes_
and just cry for an hour or so.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Religious cults/Fundies' postings
Keywords: they're really control queens!
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:09:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.232652.8813@athena.mit.edu>, max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>
>>"Oh, when you preach at me like that I get so hot I can't stand it!
>>Take off your clothes and *DO* *ME* *RIGHT* *HERE*.  We can pray to
>>God to forgive us afterwards."
>
>But *do* remember, being washed in the blood of Jesus 
>is mightily unsafe.


When I was an RC we were supposed to *drink* his blood, then eat some of
his tissue. Bleah. Imagine that, christians teaching children canibalism.
As I recall, the priest was rather fond of drinking the blood of Christ, 
and did so even when alone....



Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 08:44:19 GMT


In article <1992Aug23.030857.17434@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>You are not all too stupid.  Well, anderson is; but that's
>because he & melinda have to share one brain between them.  

Goll-ee, Sargon, I bet she's just *crushed* by your lack of
esteem, and *of course* I am.

>But for the rest of you there's probably hope.

Also sprach ...

>I have gotten several pieces of email from various folks
>who are "silent lurkers" on this newsgroup;

Ah, there it is at last!  The classic ploy of the paranoid
(speaking of fantasies).

>Sort of like a pack of jackals . . .

Jackals at least have loyalty.  And intelligence.

>the chief posters on soc.motss regard this newsgroup as
>their private property, and god help anyone who posts
>something contrary to the Accepted Truth (TM).

Ah, the Cabal fantasy again.  Now the plain fact is, Butch,
that for some days, the chief poster to this group has
been you (and *lord*, talk about *tedium*!), and it's
also plain to see that you think Accepted Truth is your
exclusive province, hence you've trademarked it.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:59:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <l92jo3INNi4d@mizar.usc.edu> <64255@cup.portal.com>
  <l93evnINNpnt@mizar.usc.edu>

adolphson squeals:
>Someone with the preposterous name of "Lovegod" bounds onto
>[blather, blather, blather]
>What the fuck do you think you're talking about? 

The fact that you've been behaving like a vicious queen of the
worst kind for no apparent reason, to someone who hardly even
begins to merit it.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: tam@mobydick.base.bellcore.com (Tom Merkel )
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Reply-To: tam@mobydick.leis.bellcore.com (Tom Merkel )
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:07:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.001659.14197@plts.uucp>, 
tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
> I'm going to go out on a limb here and post my predictions for the
> conference.  These were worked out over the last week based on my
> study of the various campaigns.  I don't have a degree in political
> science, but... well, here it goes:
> 
> *1*  The platform will be revised to remove abortion and "choice"
> issues completely.  This will be a compromise measure due to the
> pro-Choice Republicans floor-fight.  Ex-Gov Tom Kean (NJ) might lead
> the fight...

The Record ( Northern NJ morning paper ) reports today that Tom "Politics
of Inclusion" Kean put a stop to attempts to have NJ delegates challenge
the Republican platform.  Far from leading the fight,  he is working to
silence the predominately pro-choice NJ delegation and enforce party
discipline.

--Tom
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo  (1952-1992)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:15:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Followup-To: ba.motss 

In article <g46m2ck.chas@netcom.com> chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher) writes:
>I will miss my friend greatly.

Indeed, as will I.

If I remember correctly , it was Rob who started the tradition of meeting on
the Library steps after the SF Gay freedom parade. I'm sure he was the one
who posted the question asking if folks would like to meet.

I recall wondering what the various characters of net.motss ( the old style
newsgroup name) would be like, and I also recall my delight in meeting 
Rob . I couldn't tell you who else was there, but I can still see him
clearly in my mind. 

It seems to me that many of the early  social functions, that were pivotal in 
extending the motss culture from an ascii based association to real
live relationships between real live human beings, had Robs hand on them.

In those pre-motss_con days, Robs bar-B-ques were the premiere events
at which motss participants could overcome the limitations of this 
keyhole through which we all view each other.

So many people I met there for the first time after exchanging only words,
Chuck, Clay Bond, Jess, George NN, Laura, Steve, Paul A., Terry B., Henry,
Lots more that I'm sure I'll regret not mentioning. 

I felt him last night , I was drawn to the pictures I took at a few of 
those events, I looked at them again with eyes that extended beyond my own. 
I knew he was looking too.

LUX ./. owen
-- 
Do What thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Love is the law , Love under will.

Every Man and every Woman is a star.
From: foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Rob Foye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.211204.25718@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
A. Thomas) writes (in reference to _Bell,_Book,_and_Candle_):
|> Did Pyewacket have any meaning beyond this movie?

I believe that Pyewacket is a "traditional" name for a witch's familiar.
There is a woodcut from the early 1600s that shows witches and their
familiars, each with a little scroll next to them upon which is enscribed
their name. I distinctly remember seeing this drawing and thinking, "Aha!
So *that's* where they got the name for her cat." (Referring of course to
Kim Novak and the above-mentioned movie.)
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay liberation
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:58:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l913vdINN9ro@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) 
writes:
>
>(Note to the sarcasm impaired: add one of my gigantor Smiley
>faces here.)

Oh, is that what those things were in an earlier post?  I thought they were
giant malformed penises. 


-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:44:05 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>So what does this mean? Does it mean that I make friends with people
>who are sexually attractive, or is it that I tend to be sexually
>attracted to friends of mine? I don't know. What does one do when the
>inevitable problems occur?

Why, have sex with your friends, of course :-). You never have to worry
about not being able to stand each other in the morning.

Bill, expecting another instalment of the "sex with friends" thread
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New queer terminology
Date: 17 Aug 92 04:16:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug17.041633.24637
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug17.023757.21309@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>It's a tricky subject to touch upon, but I think it's in
>part a generational thing.  Taking a generation as roughly
>30 years, it's really more like a half-generational thing,
>since he mentions early 20s and mid-30s.  

This is perhaps the only time I will hope 36 doesn't count as "mid-30s"...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:53:58 GMT

shore@tc.cornell.edu wrote: 
->I find it absolutely astonishing that any gay, lesbian,
->or bisexual person could even consider being a member of
->the Republican Party.  The party has taken an unequivocal
->stand against equal rights for all of us (and that 
->includes His Royal Butchness, Boob Sarver).  Do any of
->us really believe that we're not entitled to equal
->treatment under the law?

melinda, they'd say we've missed the point ... after all, the
Constitution doesn't explicitly give all those perqs to heterosexuals
... does it?

[i watched part of the RNC yesterday while i was home with some ear
trouble ... i was astounded.  they had a 17-year-old teen republican
(who would have been fabulous bear bait if not for the garbage that
spewed from his mouth) blathering on about superior moral values,
etc.  another one brainwashed.]

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Those Who Are Gone Now
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:17:33 GMT


In article <16q0u2INNpi7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon) writes:

>Tom Shearer

Him I didn't know or know of.

>Randi Pollard (I hope I'm not mangling his name)

Ah yes, Randi.  It was sporty!randi@uunet.uu.net.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: What's a "beaner"?
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 06:32:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

There's an ad on TV about prejudice and hate.  It starts out with a white
screen, then the word "faggot" appears in one corner, followed by "nigger"
in the opposite corner.  Then "beaner" shows up.  What's a beaner?

--Tim Smith
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:08:02 GMT
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I think the hypothesis someone posted earlier is correct - this asshole must be
Cartoon Crammer in disguise. One shudders to think that this homophobic drivel
is being vomited forth from a gay man. Of course, there were Jews for Hitler in
the '30s...


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:18:51 GMT

In article <44dpbn6f@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) does a very bad thing by writing:
|Hey now, hold on a minute... the soc.bi regulars?  People like me and
|Tim and Ciaran and Olaf and Sara and Ellen and Graham - I guess we're
|regular enough - "regularly post introductory autobiographical essays"?

    Oooh, you mentioned *names.


    The cabal is gonna get you for that, you know...

                  __
    david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:24:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug15.192455.13397
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <4576@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) writes:
>Marching in drag, leather or G-strings doesn't help us out a bit.

It sure is a lot of fun. Isn't that what's important, ultimately?
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        It's a sky blue sky, the satellites are out tonight
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Something Bush said....
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:11:19 GMT

heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:


>In 1988 George Bush was quoted as saying (and I'm paraphrasing here)
>that he didn't think gays were worthy to even clean the toilets in
>the White House.  I'd like some info on exactly what Bush said, and
>the circumstances of his saying it.  If anyone knows any thing about
>this, please let me know via email.  
I hadn't heard this, but I just read a Clarinet article where some fundie claims
he talked to George Bush and GWHB told him that he DEFINITELY will not be
liftinmg the ban on gays and lesbians in the military and that he wouldn't
knowingly appoint a Queer to  a Cabinet position either...

[The man knows about Anne-Imelda R*d*ce, though, which is a PRETTY visible 
position. It's amazing why that hasn't been made an issue of yet...]

The rhetoric is getting more and more pointed...
Let's see what he omes up with on Thursday night itself!

Gosh, I wish Margaret Tutwiler was a dyke! [abstruse]

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The Rodney King jury has re-examined the Zapruder footage and has decided
that JFK's injuries were self-inflicted.'' -- joke in the Village Voice.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gak@slcs.slb.com (Glenn Kramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:30:13 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <1992Aug10.185326.5525@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>I was walking around town awhile ago with my friend Pierre and ran into
>the father of a mutual friend. The father, who knew that Pierre is gay
>and from Belgium, was trying to describe us later. "Oh I ran into your 
>friends Pierre and Bill. They're two of the oddest people I've seen. Is
>Bill, ummm, ummm..."
>
>He was told: "yes, Bill is Belgian too."

I was once talking with friends in what I thought was an all-gay
household, and made the incorrect assumption about one of the
occupants (I think I asked him whether he went to the Pride parade
that year). One of the other members of the household said, "Bill is
not a Catholic," which I immediately understood.

Later that evening, someone mentioned a mutual acquaintance. At the
time, he had a girlfrend, which surprised my friends, who thought he
was exclusively gay. I corrected their impression by saying, "He's not
a Catholic, he's Protestant." They understood immediately.

-- 
Glenn A. Kramer
Schlumberger Laboratory for Computer Science
PO Box 200015
Austin, TX 78720-0015                                        gak@slcs.slb.com