HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: werner@abmx.rz.rwth-aachen.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: SCSI WD7000 Help needed!
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:30:15 GMT
Reply-To: werner@abmx.rz.rwth-aachen.de
Organization: RZ RWTH Aachen, Germany

Hi Folks,
I followed the discussions on your board for quite a while
and I'm confident that there's anyone out there listening who
already tried the following configurarion:

SCSI Host Adapter  Western Digital WD7000 Fasst
and 135MB Drive    Fujitsu M135S
on a No-Name 386/DX 20MHz.

A last question: does OS/2 need or use a 387 coprocessor if available
and if so, for which tasks?

Thanks for your Help and keep up the good work on your board.

Bernhard 
werner@rwth-aachen.de

E-mail answers are as welcome as public posts in this group,
I promise to keep listening, hoping that a real operating system
wins the fight against a program loader and patch-work windows.
From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: News from L.A. OS/2 Celebration and COMDEX announcement
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:23:58 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.225834.5596@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:
>
>OS/2 multimedia: demonstrated was a non-CDROM animation and sound sequence
>(playing from hard drive).  

Didn't it look like something hung when they attempted this?
They quickly moved on and removed the monitor picture from view.

>The two men sitting next to me were snickering and making
>jokes at first about the announcement and demonstration's at times hokey
>humor... 

The same in San Diego.

>Oh, no, Windows! [a see-through of the Windows 3.0 graphic is shown on the
>screen]  Can he break through them?  [he crashes through the window graphic,
>and it shatters, peices of glass flying]  Yes!...)

That was a hit among the audience.  Good simulation.

>No shrink-wrap upgrades given out, just upgrade forms.  A few lucky people
>were given GA shrink-wrap code.

No code, but about a dozen GA's were given out.

I got off to a bad start (along with several other people) when I waited
15 minutes in the sign-in line only to find they didn't have my name-tag
even though I pre-registered.  Then I had to wait 5 - 10 min in the line
for those who didn't pre-register to get a name-tag made up.
Oh, well, it was worth it..


-- 
========== Boyd Johnson	   nosc!spectra.com!johnson ==========
From: jyl@burgess.Eng.Sun.COM (Jacob Levy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Fry will have OS/2 2.0 end of April
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:37:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: burgess

A salesperson at Fry's Palo Alto has told me that they will have
OS/2 2.0 by the end of April - two weeks is what he said. He may
be wrong and he may be expressing an opinion. As to the price -
no word yet, except that it "probably would be a few bucks more
expensive than buying from IBM direct."

--JYL
From: ian@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 10:46:45 BST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Mouse problem under os/2 2.0
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd, Hursley, England
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <1992Apr9.052504.16328@midway.uchicago.edu> min-woong sohn writes:
>I was one of those who were fortunate enough to get a free copy of
>OS/2 2.0 at the Comdex.  I was trying to install it on my computer
>(Compaq Deskpro 20 MHz with 5 meg memory and 300 meg disk).  I could
>install it without much problem, but once I reboot the system
>I found that my mouse (Logitech serial mouse) is not responding.
>Is there a soul who had a similar problem?  How can get it work again?
>I am just starting with OS/2, so if this question offended anybody
>please pardon me.
>
>Min
>
Min

There have some posts recently on this topic.  It would appear that there
are two sorts of Logitech mouse which either come up as Microsoft or
Mouse Systems compatible.

I have to go out of the office shortly so I cannot dig out the relevent
details at the moment.  If you do not get any answers mail me and I will
see what I can find.

Cheers,
Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley, England IBMIPnet: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dsladden@descartes.waterloo.edu (Darryl Sladden)
Subject: Re: os/2 2.0 for canadian
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 22:38:21 GMT

Does anyone know what prouf of purchase is required for the Windows -> OS/2 
upgrade in Canada? and when will it be shipping?

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:55:35 CST
From: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 for user groups
Reply-To: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM - Austin
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In <g1ZXiB11w164w@underg.UUCP> Max Cray writes:
>gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>
>> Try contacting your local IBM branch office and explain your situation.
>> They might be able to get some diskettes for you.  You may even get some
>> help from some local IBMer.  If you don't mind, please email to my
>> mailbox and I may be able to hook you up with some ibmers who are willing
>> to help demo to your user group.
>
>If you could help me too? I have had the same problem. The locals around
>here don't seem like they really want to show OS/2, and I can't get a copy
>to show myself. They are giving a demonstration for the Navy, and I being in
>the Navy pulled some strings with the Navy to allow the common folk to go
>and see it, but I don't think I should have to do that. The guys in the labs
>seem to make neat stuff, but the guys in the field seem to be a little lost.
>
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Max,

We have folks whose job is to help PC Users Groups show demos of IBM products.
I am working with these people now to see how to satisfy requests on this
newsgroup.  Stay tuned...

Gerry Thome
IBM - Austin
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: altman@sbpmt.cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Subject: Re: Help me install OS/2 on a Clone...
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:41:43 GMT

In article <k0vjfr_.feustel@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris) writes:
>
>>adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>
>>>Why don't you get a copy of 'COUNTRY.SYS'? <grin>... 
>
>The "missing country.sys" error message is often the result of
>trying to install OS/2 with insufficient memory. Take your system up to
>8 megs and this message will probably go away.


Or that you are using a SCSI drive which is not compatible with the
OS/2 2.0 HPFS, or that you have an old driver.

Country.sys is the first file after the boot tracks which is accessed
by OS/2  therefore if your drive is not completely compatible with OS/2
you will get the error that Country.sys can't be found.

>-- 
>David Feustel N9MYI, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805. (219)482-9631
>= Candidate Bush wouldn't recognize principle if he were standing upon it =





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From: daly@ecs.umass.edu (Bryon Daly, ECE dept, UMass, Amherst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Help me correct OS/2 misinformation
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:24:38 GMT

Hello,

My friend and I just ordered copies of OS/2 v2.0.  He does not have USENET
access, but you guys might be interested to know that your posts here that I
showed him were instrumental in getting him interested in trying OS/2.
(On a strange note: when he called to order his copy, he was quoted 2-3
weeks to get his copy.  I called a few hours later and was told 4-6 weeks!)
Hmmm.

Anyway, he sent me the following piece of email, which details some
misinformation he just got from a Microsoft rep.  Since you guys are the ones
who actually know the facts the best, I thought you might be able to 
help me straighten these facts out for him.

--------------------

I was just talking to a guy who has heard a few things about OS/2 2.0  He
is kind of anti OS/2, but he still had some interesting info.  He said
that is supposedly has a few major bugs, and that is why it is 2-6 weeks
for delivery.  He also said that the DOS boxes boot up with 4.01, not 5.0.
I don't think this is accurate because people have said that they got
Falcon 3.0 to run through OS/2, and that requires 5.0 according to the manual.

Supposedly a friend of his had an IBM rep busy for an entire day trying to get
a beta version to install on a model 90, but it installed flawlessly on a 
Gateway.  He seemed pretty negative towards it, but he is a distributor for
Microsoft, so I guess that is to be expected.  He also said performace was
poor if you had less that 16MB and that it was a real hard disk pig.  I think
he is exaggerating about the 16MB.  The hard disk pig is to be expected.  I
think peoples attitudes towards hard disk space must change.  A program like
WordPerfect for Windows takes 6-8 MB of disk space.  FreeLance for Win takes
over 10 MB.  Its reasonable to expect an operating system as complex as NT or
OS/2 to take up 20-30MB.  If you count DOS and Windows, you have to be up to
around 12-15MB anyway.  Besides, the worse that can happen is you hate OS/2 and
you have wasted $49.  Big deal.  Talk to you later


---------------------

Thanks for any more reliable information you can supply,
-Bryon
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: Computer Magazines
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:51:12 GMT

I think you guys should read PC Computing to get the idea. In the
section "Dvorak vs Seymour(?)" their opinions are very very different.
Even though Seymour seems to be following Dvorak's arguments, he has
his bottom lines.  

Return to PC Magazine. The article by Joe Salemi "OS/2 2.0: Does 
it fulfill the promise?" is definitely POSITIVE. While Editor-in-Chief
Michael Miller cannot deny the technical superiority of OS/2 2.0,
he plays some tricks by placing the side bar: Five Reasons to Buy *
and Five Reasons not to buy *..." He cannot lie but he can play tricks.
In my opinion, Dvorak has  postive attitudes toward OS/2 2.0. The
old gangs like Jim Seymour and Michael Miller just don't know what 
they are talking about, or is intentionally doing some misleading
tricks.

In my opinion, the marketing against Microsoft from the sales force
of IBM will definitely fail. The success of OS/2 lies in the major 
factors:

1) Supporters like us. I've been talking to tens of my friends, including
  those in Taiwan. Go for OS/2.  In the US, I still can't convince them
  before I get my GA. Words from trusted people are very influential. You
  guys want OS/2 2.0 to beat the Panzer Lehr Microsoft? OK! Use the Air
  force: your words. Repeatedly talk to your PC friends. Never trust
  the infantry: IBM's sales force.

2) The columnists. Try to get better PR works with those columnists. 
   I don't think we little guys can do this. But Bert Moshier may
   be capable of doing such a job. IBM had better start from this.


I don't think that OS/2 2.0 will fail. For such a great system: slim,
powerful, and universal, it is worth waiting for the landing. If
we cannot attack Windows from the front, why don't we just kick it
from the back? Battle tactics teaches us many stuffs, but we've got
to apply this to *our* promotion of OS/2 2.0. Don't rely on TV ads,
I don't think it would be of use. The old IBM is still in charge
of the big blue. Forgive my bad English.





Wen-Chun
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 14:29:13 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Many thanks to those in the US ready to help
 <1992Apr7.011241.14628@prism.poly.edu>
 <1992Apr7.023823.6828@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1992Apr9.032333.21042@prism.poly.edu>


Hi there,

I was very touched to see how helpful people in the US are regarding
upgrading OS/2 for United States conditions !

As I need a German version, unfortunately I cannot use that offered
help, so I am hoping that IBM branches in different European countries
get the hunger of IBM in the United States and offer those great
conditions too (e.g. no upgrade path for Windows users as of yet in
Austria, etc.).

It seems that old IBM vs. new IBM is battling over here too with the
older (ready for pension plans ?) having a slight head-leading at the
moment.

It would be very important over here too to get people (DOS and
Windows users) out of the waiting room in which they were placed by
Microsoft's successful campaign materializing in all PC-magazines and
being enforced with the (again very successful) marketing strategy
regarding Windows 3.1.

It seems that IBMer on the old continent do not understand the importance
of end-user marketing and therefore neglecting it. The results: Apples,
Windows were brought in thru back-doors into companies, were being installed
in masses on private end-user machines, PC- and computer-magazines seeing
that (together with the incredible rise of Microsoft's stocks) are enforcing
the trend by ignoring anything else including OS/2.

Unlike ourselves, DOS- and Windows-user have no concept what 32bit OS/2 is
at the moment and what it could do for them. In addition thru magazines they
are encouraged with not changing OS-worlds, as magazines still do not tell
their readers what 32bit OS/2 could do for them.

I realize that IBM over here will (hopefully) start to market only when
they have the nationalized versions ready to sell which in general will
take another two weeks (at least for the German version). In the meantime
they started to sell the US-version of 32bit OS/2 !

Maybe by the time IBM starts to market the end-user segment over here
people cooled down about Windows 3.1, seeing that it is not a breakthru
as they expect from knowing what Microsoft and the magazines say.

----rony
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: COMx incantations?  (x!=1 && x!=2)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:14:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Michael, Thank you, thank you, thank you.  I knew it was easy I just didn't
know how to do it.  What is the number you refer to?  I am still working
with beta stuff.  It didn't come with that number.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Tape Backup ?
Date: 11 Apr 1992 01:49:59 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

What about Irwin drives and EZTape/PM?  Will this combination backup EA's
under OS/2 2.0??

Robert D. Reynolds
easyrob@cs.utexas.edu
From: gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Borland C++ for OS/2 v.2.0
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:37:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I know Borland is working on a C++ complier for OS/2 v.2.0.  What I want to
know is will BC++ allow me to, after some porting from one to the other, compile
code for MS Windoze and OS/2 v.2.0?  I know, I know, Windoze is slooooow, but
there is a large installed base and if at all possible I would like to
write my apps for the operating system (OS/2) and the environment (Windoze :).

For example, I heard to port Mathematica 2.0 from Windoze to OS/2 required 
a change in five lines of code!!!

If not, what do I need in order to write apps for both?


-- 
Henry "Hank" Harlan Roark III | UNIX--An OS for those that don't have to pay.
Georgia Tech                  | OS/2--An OS for those that do have to pay.
gt8080a@prism.gatech.edu      | DOS --An OS for those that don't care.
My views only, not GT's       | Windows--An OS, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:57:43 GMT
	<1992Apr7.085201.13452@cheshire.oxy.edu> <53960@hydra.gatech.EDU>
	<1992Apr8.190602.26577@cheshire.oxy.edu>
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <1992Apr8.190602.26577@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:

   >   >They have 300 operators right now, are taking approx. 2400 orders a day.

That means only 8 orders pr day for each operator, or one hour spent
for each order in a normal working day. I do not think that IBM
operators can be that ineffective, so the figures cannot be correct.

Olav Torvund
Oslo, Norway
Olavt@jus.uio.no
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bill.dehaan@rose.com (bill dehaan)
Subject: Re: TV advertising
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:40:19 GMT
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Date Entered: 04-15-92 11:30
SM>In the systems popup menu you can close an app by clicking on its
SM>name with MB2 (each name in the running apps list has its own little
SM>popup menu), then choose "close" which is right next to the mouse
SM>cursor.  This saves an extra trip to the pulldown menu on the main
SM>systems popup menu.  Got that?  :-)

No kidding. I was merely  pointing out that the <Ctrl-Alt-Del>  scenario
listed  was  bogus.  Given  the  fear  level  of WPS, I didn't bother to
mention  the  Window  List.  For  one  thing,  if you are already in the
application, it's usually  easier to move  the mouse to  the system menu
and press MB1 then select Close than it would be to move to the desktop,
press MB1/MB2, find  the application in  the list of  everything that is
running, press  MB2, and  then select  Close. I  guess it's  a matter of
preference. I run a lot on my desktop, so I treat the Window List as the
method of last resort.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: News from L.A. OS/2 Celebration and COMDEX announcement
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:47:56 GMT

In article <9204080043.AA20077@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> pebly@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In <1992Apr7.225834.5596@cheshire.oxy.edu> David R. Giller writes:
>>I just got back from the OS/2 rollout at the Westin Bonaventure in downtown
>>L.A.
>>
>>Surprises:
>>
>>Windows 3.1 compatibility is done!!  I didn't catch whether the CSDs were
>>done, or iff all currently-printing copies of OS/2 will have the Windows
>>3.1 version of WinOS2, but Reiswig demonstrated running multimedia apps
>>under a 3.1 version of WinOS2.
>>
>
>Not exactly.  What Reiswig showed at the end was a copy of Windows 3.1
>running in an OS/2 DOS Session.  Windows 3.1 support isn't in the OS/2
>driver (yet).  It was still an impressive statement about the OS/2
>virtual DOS sessions that a copy of Windows 3.1 was shown running under
>OS/2 a day after 3.1 was available.

How?  Windows 3.1 doesn't support real mode, and OS/2 doesn't support
Windows running in protected mode.  This means either:

1. Windows 3.1 is finally actually a real DPMI-compliant application

or

2. Someone got the thing done.

Am I missing something?  He did mention something about the upgrade (though
I couldn't tell you exactly what.  I thought he was commenting on already-
shipped boxes getting CSDs).

-Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON)
Subject: Re: Wow, flames...!
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:40:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.004227.7518@cs.cornell.edu> rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu  
(Rolando Vinluan) writes:
> 
> 	Ha! I knew I'd get some flak...but only two so far? Shame, shame.
> So this is how it feels to be hated...maybe I should get used to it.
> 
> 	But guess what guys...the post *was* meant to be 1/2 sarcastic,
> and 1/2 the truth (as most jokes are) How do I know? Sorry to say this, but:
> 
> 
> 	Confessions of a former "marketing droid" (Hey, the other guy used it  
first.):
> 
> 	I was an SE for nearly a year.
> 
> 	I wore a tie every day.
> 
> 	I sold PS/2's. (And wasn't too bad at it, too.)
> 
> 	I kept a complete library of reference diskettes.
> 
> 	I've spent a good few days of my life installing OS/2 1.2 and 1.3.
> And trying to get Lan Server 1.x to run as fast as Netware 3.0. (Not  
possible!)
> 
> 	Good pay, but I needed more challenge. (No way they'll let you transfer
> out of your department so soon!)
> 
> 	So now, I'm back in school.
> 
> 	Sure, I'm not currently employed, but I'm happy. Are you?
> 
> 
> 	(Flame me all you want, guys. I know what I'm talking about.
> I wish IBM all the luck in eliminating "deadwood" [as somebody who flamed
> me said]. And with OS/2. I wouldn't spend all my time waiting, though.
> Of course, what I've said only applies to Marketing people.
> And of course, I exaggerated, but blame the guy who originally asked:
> "What do these guys do all day?" Couldn't resist making fun of myself.)

I've worked for IBM, and I know several guys who worked with them on joint
contracts, and I've got to say that they are the most f**ked up company that
I've ever dealt with. Too many managers and not enough doers. Everybody wants 
to meet several many times for every little issue, and have comference calls
all across the country to ask permission that nothing ever seems to get done.
Perhaps that's why they've never been able to produce any decent software for
the PC (OS/2 remains to be seen). My friend who was doing contract work with
IBM (a big group from each company) was telling me that h esuggested they get  
some office dividers so that they could work in more privacy. They shruddered
at the thought, and replied that that would be very difficult, involve alot
of paperwork, and not get there, if at all, for at least a month. Hmmm...  
sounds like a company crumbling under its own weight to me. Perhaps they should  
spin-off there PC division.

- Brian
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware