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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 1992 17:08:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

More clarifications on South America in recent World Cups:
1982:  Peru tied Cameroon, tied Italy, and lost (badly) to Poland.  They
did not advance to the second round.  Neither did Chile (in a groups
with W.Germany, Austria, and Algeria).  Argentina and Brazil advanced
and were both eliminated by Italy in one of the group's of three teams.

1986:  Everyone knows about Argentina and Brazil.  Paraguay was in
the group with Mexico, Belgium, and Iraq.  They finished third and 
advanced to the group of 16, beaten by England (2-0 I believe).  Urugay
was with W. Germany, Denmark, and Scotland.  They also advanced to
the round of 16, and lost 1-0 to Argentina.

1990:  Colombia was with W.Germany, Yugoslavia, and United Arab
Emirates, finished third, and lost 2-1 to Cameroon in the round
of 16.  Uruguay was with Belgium, Spain, and South Korea.  They finished
third and lost 2-0 to Italy in the next round.

In 1986 and 1990, when 16 teams have advanced instead of the 12 from
1982, each time the four third place teams have lost their next
game.  In 1986, this was Uruguay, Paraguay, Poland, and Bulgaria.
In 1990, Colombia, Uruguay, Romania, and Holland.

Interpret this however you'd like.  I just wanted to put some
facts out since a lot of inaccurracies are coming across the net
regarding this.

Ken S.
From: ramprasa@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Manager and son
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:36:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug16.192955.2683@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, ramprasa@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna) writes:
|> |> Villa striker Dwight Yorke is on World Cup duty for Trinidad and Tobago and so
|> |> Dalian Atkinson is likely to be partnered by Cyrille Regis up front.
|> |> Ray Houghton, a #900,000 capture from Liverpool, will play in midfield.
|> |> 
 Is this Atkinson guy any relation to RON??
 
 In the same vein how many such manager-son combos arethere in the
 English league. 
 CLough
 and Harford  spring to mind. 
 Thanks
 Prasad
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Worldclass tournament (was Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America)
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:48:11 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:

> For instance, it has been a real concern for Brazilians and Argentinians 
>not to be able to make it to the WC due to the outcome of a single unlucky 
>game.

When was the last time Brazil or Argentina didn't make it to the World Cup?

> With so many slots reserved to Europe there are plenty of 
>options and it is less probable that a big team ends up not making it. 

The number of strong European teams are greater than the number of strong
South American teams. Just think if the number of teams from each continent
that has reached a World Cup final.

I will come back later with some statistics based on world cup results (I
made some 2 years ago - South America won ahead of Europe with a small 
margin).
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rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
          AGF and Liverpool FC for the 1993 EC2 final
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Dundee (Was Re:Scottish Champions Match-Up 15-8-92)
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:28:54 GMT

--
In article <1992Aug19.022810.15565@massey.ac.nz>, R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn) writes:

|>
|>Being a Scottish football fan here in New Zealand (though never having left
|>N.Z.), I was wondering if there were religious differences between Dundee
|>and Dundee United? An Arsenal fan I knew told me that there were and the same 
|>applied to teams from the big cities in the North of England. I was wondering
|>if someone could tell me if it is true or not?

Not really.  A long time ago Dundee United were known as Dundee Harp and
had a large Catholic support. Neither club could now be called sectarian.
Both sign players irrespective of religion.  Apart from a certain element
in the Rangers and Celtic support the religious beliefs of players
and supporters has no bearing on their football allegiances.

Religious differences in English football are also a thing of the past.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:07:19 GMT

In article <171e73INNduj@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>If they ever start awarding Oscars for infantile behavior in public this is my
>nomination:
>
>In article <2A93D92F.21600@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>>Hey Easy there.  The fact that you don't like Maradona since he is better
than
>>any player ever born in your country does not give you the right to attack
him
>>as brutally as you did.

>--
>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>Department of Economics

Thanx.  Your nomination has beem greatly accepted and appreciated, Mr. the
economist.

                                                                 F. J. K.
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                   And the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA
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From: mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:10:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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I just wanted to straighten some oversights in your posts,  and frankly,
I was concerned that you had some personal biases that needed addressing.

I'll say the rest of what I have to say via e-mail.

Ariel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:59:31 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <2A8AF9CF.23739@ics.uci.edu>, fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
> 
>>> As a Syrian, I grew up worshiping the Argentenian soccer cuz my whole body
>>> shakes when they are playing.  When watching these guys play, I get the
>>> feeling that a lot of them were born with a soccer ball in their hands.
>>
>>Well that would explain a lot :-) :-) :-).
>>
>>Alan
> 
> Well.  Could you further explain what you meant?

1 - Note the smilies and think of what part of his anatomy Diego is criticised
for using.

> What does the fact of me being Syrian have to do with me worshipping the
> Argentinian soccer?

2 - Absolutely nothing whatsoever and goodness only knows why you consider it 
to be important

> If NewZeland played the same soccer, I would have probably liked theirs
> as well.

3 - There's no danger of that.

Alan
From: weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Subject: Re: Sampdoria vs. Leeds (Makita challenge)
Reply-To: weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:30:29 GMT


In article <9208200839.aa02432@ingate.microsoft.COM>, t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
|>From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
|>Subject: Sampdoria vs. Leeds (Makita challenge)
|>Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:42:36 -0500
|>Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
|>Lines: 26
|>
|>I saw my first *full* game utilizing the new backpass rule.  If any of 
|>you saw this game could you please let me know if you saw what I did.
|>
|>4.  Keepers did not seem to be as aggressive on loose balls in the 
|>penalty area.

I noticed the same thing. Although, there were no calls for indirects even
when the keeper did seem to pick up the ball when his own defense had last
touched it. This game was a good example of how it should work. There was no 
time-wasting, but the ref did not blow his whistle when there was a wild ball
in the box.

|>
|>Also,  is this Batty (?spell) guy some kind of sadist or something.  I 
|>can appreciate energy and enthusiasm, but he sure seemed to throw 
|>unhealthy helpings of pain in the process.  He sure un-nerved Manccini 
|>(?spell).  I was expecting them to bring in the gloves at one point. :-)
|>

You don't need gloves if you can pull down and shove as good as he did. I was
sure that after he shoved the guy into the stands that he had been yellow carded, 
but there was a commercial break. When they came back, he was carded 10 
minutes later. So I guess he wasn't warned the first time. By my calculation,
he should have been taken out by the other team about 25 times during the game.

I have never seem him play that way in the English League, he must have been
really out to win this game.

Don
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: fquinn@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Frank Quinn)
Subject: WC 94 Tickets 
Reply-To: fquinn@serenity.ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Frank Quinn)
Organization: DHL San Mateo, CA 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:09:50 GMT


The only thing I have was on the radio about 2 months ago

World Cup
PO BOX 1994
Los Angeles, CA  90051

I think that tickets were supposed to go on sale in mid August but don't
quote me.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Poland/Spain final comments
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:31:06 GMT

In article <36746@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> beksic@qtp.ufl.edu (Dario Beksic) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.040300.20437@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>
>	With due respect, I very much disagree with this part of the
>comment on the Olympic final, btw. it was a great game indeed,
>regardless of the final outcome.
>
>	I believe we should but wish that ALL the referees prefer
>the finesse game, as Mario puts it. That is, after all what brings
>the true fans to the stadiums and makes us all love the game. Watching
>the old films about the '58 Brasilian team, or their '70 team, or
>the '56-'60 Real Madrid, and so on, still remains absolutely fascinating
>as those teams were able to triumph with skills, style and beauty.
>Unfortunately, then came Helenio Herrera and his likes to kill the
>artistry and turn the beautiful game into a war simulation. Those who
>like the "physical play" so much are very welcome to enjoy the American
>football where violence comes in abundance; even there it's fun to
>watch a skillful team dominate, the 49-ers with Montana for example.

I think that you are corrolating physical play with fouls and just
simply dirty play. By physical play I mean wide open power football,
with long outlet passes traversing both wings, and threading the
ball upto midlle with long precise passes. This style when played
right is also very beautiful to watch. But I don't think you can
say one style (Brazilian although beatuiful to watch) is better to
watch, it all depends where you grew up and the style that you are
use to. One requires softer feet and the ability to dance with the
ball, short passing to create a mismatch, the other requires strength, 
speed and precise long balls. I think that for past few years both
styles have died and a conservitive boring brand of football has
been played on both continents. I think the objective is to understand
each style and accept it and enjoy the play, unfortunatelly the
Columbian ref. only knew one style.

>
>	Also, I fail to see the correlation between the poverty of a
>country and its teams' palying style. By no means should the "under-
>privilegedness" be an excuse for thuggish and ugly play; luckily, there
>are nice counterexamples like the '90 Colombian team - again, refer to
>Garcia Marquez for the greatest comment I've ever seen on a football
>game, this time their game against Germany.
>                                  

You are right that you fail to see a correlation between poverty and
style of football, because I MADE NO SUCH CORRELATION please read
more closely and precisely. What I said is that FIFA has always 
(especially as of late) been favoring the higher status countries.
Like for example, Poland is playing at Spain - why in the world
would you want to pick a ref. that speeks Spanish and does not
understand European football. If you are going to make a final then
do it right, pick the right REF. for the game. 


regards,

mario s.
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Snows Great Start
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:12:41 GMT
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Steve Snow scored two goals last night for FC Boom in there 3-2 win over
Royal Antwerp.

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer)
Subject: Re: Arc outside penalty AREA
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Reply-To: altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:28:37 GMT

In article 23621@orion.oac.uci.edu, cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>In article <Bt8MyD.2E5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, chun perng cheah <ccheah@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>|> In rec.sport.soccer you write:
>|> 
>|> >While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
>|> >is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
>|> >the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
>|> >"traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
>|> >said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
>|> >answer...
>|> 
>|> >Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>|> 
>|> Tom,- The arc is to ensure that everyone is the same distance from the ball 
>|> when a penalty is taken. Thus, some players won't have an unfair advantage when
>|> trying to get a rebound, if there is indeed one.
>|> 
>|> CP Cheah
>
>That doesn't make sense to me.  If there is a rebound, the ball will 
>bounce off the keeper, the bar or the posts.  The player who stand
>right behind the penalty taker outside the arc will have the longest
>distance to reach the ball, if on average, the ball come out from the
>center of the goal.  It seems to me that the acr is drawn with the
>center right in between the goal line. Then, this would ensure that
>players are approx. the same distance from the ball at the instant
>of rebounce, not when the penalty is taken.
>
>Kelvin


Come on people, doesn't anybody know the Laws of the Game?  At a penalty kick,
all players except the kicker and the goalkeeper have to be outside the penalty
area *and* 10 yards off the ball.  Since the penalty mark is 12 yards from the 
goal line, it's only 6 yards from the top of the area.  Hence the restraining
arc with a radius of 10 yards, centered on the penalty spot.  In fact, most 
other players do try to place themselves at the intersection of the arc and
18-yard line to get in best position for a rebound.

-- Bob

ps - it's the "penalty area" -- not box.
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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:42:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <7747@public.BTR.COM> car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com) writes:
>The tiny nation of Uruguay has always been and still is a power in the
>the world scene.  They have won two world cups, including the biggest
>upset in soccer history when they defeated Brasil in the "Maracanazo"
>final in Brasil in 1950.

I'm not sure about Uruguay's current soccer prowess; at the last world cup
they were unmercifully taken apart by a rather mundane Belgium in their
first play-off game. To get there they had to fight South Korea, a team of
dedicated but clumsy footballers, against whom they scored in the 90th minu-
te...
True, Uruguay has a rich soccer tradition, but its last meaningful showing
in a WC final was against Brazil in 1970. By no means does this qualify them
as a "power in the world scene"..
>
>Countries like Peru and Paraguay and more recently Colombia (no, not
>Columbia :-) have also had quite respectable appearances in the international
>scene (read world cups).

Well, I vaguely remember Cubillas' Peru making the playoffs once; and then, in
Argentina'78 giving 6 goals away against Argentina so that Kempes&Comp could
make it to the second round...As for Paraguay, I do not think they ever quali-
fied to the finals in recent history; in addition, they seem to play a cross
of soccer and tae-kwon-do; I hear that even South American teams are afraid to
play in Asuncion against "los defensores del chaco"...

Last but not least: Colombia. The way the WC is structured, 66% of the teams
make it to the second round. Colombia too made it : they tied Germany (el gol
del milagro), lost to Yugoslavia and defeated a team of tourists from the United
Arab Emirates.In their first palyoff game they lost: to Cameroon, 1-2.

Now, no matter how partisan you can be, I do not see how you could possibly
enroll these facts in the service of the argument you made. South America has
only two teams that do count: Brazil and Argentina. Commonly known facts simply
do not support the assertion that any other team of that area is of internatio-
nal caliber...

Cheers!


>
>I suggest you get yourself a good reference book on the history of the game
>before making any more comments.
>
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From: eire@bluemoon.rn.com (Chris Clinton)
Subject: New bkpass rule & gms watched today
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:01:02 EDT

In the Leeds vs Wimbledon game today a Leeds defender headed the ball
to his keeper who picked it up.  No free kick was given and the tv
announcer said that this was within the rules because the pass
back was not "manufactured".
In the Sao Paulo vs Barcelona game a similar situation occurred
except this time the Barc defender chested the ball to his keeper.
When the keeper picked it up an indirect free kick was given.
Sao Paulo scored from the kick. (Nice goal too).

My understanding of the new rule would have me decide that the ref
made the right decision in the Leeds game but the wrong decision in
the Barcelona game.  In neither case was the ball ever played by
the foot of the defender.  

Were the correct decisions made here?  I hope we do not end up
with vastly different rule interpretation in different countries.  In
my opinion FIFA is making a right mess in the communication of all
this.


Rgds     .......Chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...)
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.204743.16741@nntp.hut.fi>, f36655e@taltta.hut.fi (Kalle Mikkola) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug7.172150.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...) writes:
>>>   " "Direct access for Oceania has always been a problem, but I think
>>> ALL YOU HAVE TO DO NOW IS QUALIFY FOR THE WORLD CUP, it won't matter what 
> 
> What about Southern America, the part of the world where they play REAL
> soccer with feeling and spirit. In Italy '90 they had four teams and all
> of them qualified to cup matches but still FIFA decided that in US'94 there
> will be only 2-3 teams from Southern America. And >>10 from Europe. Why?
> 
If you would have read my article closely you would have saw that this is
not my comment, but a comment from FIFA itsead - so it must  have some element
of truth behind it

Mick
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:56:48 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND

Played on Wednesday August 19th
Skol Cup Third Round

Stranraer 0  Rangers 5

             Hateley 5,64
             McCoist pen 12, 42, 79

Att. 4,500

Rangers through to the quarter finals with a victory over second division
Stranraer. Tickets for this game were obscenely priced at $7.50 but it was
still a full house. In general ticket prices this season do not represent
good value for money as the fitba' is crap as in general are the facilities.
Rangers now visit Tannadice next week for the quarter final against Dundee
United.

Next game is at Ibrox on Seturday against Celtic with the object of not
breaking your seat when Rangers score. I shall be jetting off on holiday
after the game so there will be no reports for a couple of weeks as I collect
some of those rays.

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