From: orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Something Wicked THis Way Comes
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:10:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul25.191006.1569
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I can't believe we have such a prime specimen of Reaganism as Marc Green
in captivity. 

Here's a guy that gets kicked in the teeth, watches his fellow Americans
get far worse, and honestly wants more because they tell him he likes it.

Actually, I would feel a sad sort of pity for him if he weren't so damn
easily manipulated into criminal negligence.

We have primary ignition.


  mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:
: The Reagan/Bush administrations have spent several trillion dollars on
: social programs. That's enough compassion and caring for the poor.

Big lie, you poor sap.
The Reagan era and caring do not belong in the same breath.

You don't cure anything by underfunding treatment of the symptoms. 
Caring and compassion for the poor is not a dollar figure.

Ever hear of hatemongering? The phrase, even? I mean, ever?


: What about compasssion and caring for the working stiffs who have have to
: trudge to work every days to support the indigents, so they can stay home
: and have more babies?

You bought it hook, line and sinker, pal.
Do you wear, actual, physical, tangible blinders?

So the way you see it all, there are two kinds of people: you and them.
They are a parasitic source of all evil, lazy and manipulating you.
Indigents live only to breed more indigents, to live off you.
It must be reassuringly simple to brainwashed like that.


: Unlike most of the jerks who write posts like the one above, I have
: actually worked in poverty programs and dealt with the poor first
: hand. They are not some pathetic downtrodden hoard, like the liberal
: media portrays them. They tend to be lazy, stupid and greedy. Their
: main goal is to bilk the system as far as possible. To them, working
: is for suckers.

You self-righteous pig. 
You're telling me that I, growing up as I did, am lazy, stupid, and greedy?
Ever think you might have been taking your home life for granted?

Because of your overwhelming concern for others, you went out and found
a revolving-door social service program that exists only to create an
underclass, and you fault the clients for it's self-perpetuating cycles.

I wish I could say you were unique. 
You rich holiday-do-gooder idiot.

Poverty can warp you, make you greedy, ingracious, hatefull, bitter.
You apparently didn't need poverty to invoke those traits.


: Again, don't let facts get in the way. The US has the strictest
: anti-pollution and species protection legislation in the world. Bush
: wisely refused to sign a treaty which would have required the US to give
: away huge and unpsecified sums to the Third World.

If you believe that, even for a second, I want tissues samples of you now!
Our President is an oil baron. 
If you could snap out of it, would you want to?

Our watch-dog environmental groups exist to protect industrial interests.
It doesn't matter how small the company or phenomenal the crime.
Any so-called-enforcer is guaranteed a job when they leave,
or so they are lead to believe, 
if they play by the unwritten rules.

Ever actually try and get some toxicity _acknowledged_ by the government?
I couldn't get them to test the technicolor film growths.
They kept on testing the puddles hundreds of yards away.

I proved governmental corruption and outright, blatant lies in my newspaper.
They threatened my advertisers.

All I can say is that you deserve everything you get.
The rest of us sure as hell don't.


: It was the arms race that spent the Soviets into submission and freed
: the peoples of Eastern Europe. It was not wasted money. 

We're not in good shape ourselves, in case you hadn't noticed.
Oh, that's right, all other Americans are meaningless to you.
They're the enemy within, aren't they?
Aren't I? Aren't we?

Oh, of course you hadn't noticed.
You were watching the swinging pocketwatch and polishing your gun.

The awesome toll of the Reagan Era of Power, Corruption and Lies may mean
Americans will be too poor, too poorly educated, and judging from your
advanced case, too balkanized to unite and stop the next Hitler, or the
next Hirohito, or the next Mussolini...

Oh, wait. You're those fellow's favorite citizen.
You don't ask questions and you think what you're told.
Did you come from a vat somewhere?


: Guess what Bunky - it is the democratic congress which is the major
: roadblock to defense spending.

Oh. You are bordering on zombie, here.
Please, have kids, vote, and attend your neighborhood party meetings.
That is, until you become the scapegoat.

I wish I could have the pleasure of watching you scrounge in garbage.
If I hadn't, I wouldn't be alive right now.
Not that you, or your fellow stormtroopers, give a damn about Americans.

I don't like you very well.
I know I don't like what you illustrate so clearly.

One thing you might want to remember about us,
kids like me,
from the decidedly wrong side of the tracks...
We can have people killed for less than what you pay to wash your car.


Prometheus Hawthorne-Jones, orpheus@reed.edu, Portland, OR - (503) 227-1315