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From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: A couple enhancement requests that could make it in 2.4?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:09:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On 20 Jan 1993 04:00:20 GMT les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) said:
>In article <1993Jan18.194445.8424@uumeme.chi.il.us> jrd@uumeme.chi.il.us (John R. Dennison) writes:
>>>>mta = something-other-than-the-default
>>       I would *love* to have something like this.  My purpose would be
>>       ...
>If you are the administrator why not just compile in the name of the
>transport front-end you want everyone to use?  Why make it optional?
>Better yet, just replace /usr/lib/sendmail with your front-end so it
>affects all mail whether it is sent by elm or not.

Why would you want to force a user to (gasp) COMPILE such things?
Making it optional allows the users some freedom to choose something
else, if the site has a braindead MTA...
(or.. if the admin incorrectly believes the users are there for
*his* benefit...)  >;-)

Regards.
$$\    F. Scott Ophof

--------------------------->  I speak *only* for *myself*  <-----
My credo:  Computers exist for OUR benefit, NEVER vice-versa.


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: adrian@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Adrian Hassall Lewis)
Subject: Elm & emacs
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:27:16 GMT

A quick, simple question - how do I replace vi with emacs/epoch in Elm?

Thanks in advance

PS I suspect this is a FAQ but I cant find one and I don't read this group normally.
From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Fail to invoke editor
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:58:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

We see an intermittent problem in PL20 on a Sequent Symmetry under PTX (SVR3).
Just occasionally, ELM fails to start the defined editor, and we get

   Unable to invoke /uol/bin/ue for composition

I did a local patch to show the errno value, and it's 1 (EPERM). It's been seen
when doing a r)eply; don't know if it happens in other circumstances.

Once this happens, you don't ever seem to be able to start the editor in the
same ELM session; but exiting and restarting it will put it right. We don't see
any problems starting this editor from anything else.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: susan@phx.mcd.mot.com (Susan Brockett)
Subject: Elm and Xterms
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:45:22 GMT


Hello.

I'm a new reader of this group, and like all
new readers, I'm ignorant of what has come before.
So, if you've already disussed this problem, please
be patient with me.

When I start ELM version 2.2 PL15 from my root window,
the program does not recognize my backspace key as
erase. The command I use to start elm in my .mwmrc file is

"elm"        f.exec "xterm -ls -tn xterm -T elm -e /usr/local/bin/elm"

and my .profile does set the backspace to erase.


Any suggestions or solutions?


--

Susan Brockett
Technical Publications
602 438-3492
susan@aladdin.phx.mcd.mot.com
From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Filter and From header line
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:27:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ronald Harichandran said:
]Use of "from" in filter-rules currently matches text on the From: line.
]With some of the automatic LISTSERVers, the original poster's address is
]retained in the From: line, and the only way to know that the message is
]from a particular LISTSERVer is to look at the very first From header
]line.  Is there any way to instruct the filter program to scan the very
]first From header line in mail?

The original poster's addr is *always* retained in the "From:" line
when such an item is distributed by LISTSERV.  "LISTSERV" of course 
refers to Eric Thomas' implementation of the list server concept, ie. 
the one and only program which is allowed to use the name "LISTSERV", 
if one respects trademarks (even when not formally registered, ie. 
based only on ones morals).

That was just to make clear that "LISTSERV" is imho a protected name,
and should not be applied to other list servers.

LISTSERV uses the "Sender:" field as per RFC-822, if I'm not very wrong.
Ie. "Sender:" states where the item came from last, and overrides the
address in "From:" (which with LISTSERV states the original author of
the item).
So to answer your question, you should look in the "Sender:" field for
the name of a discussion list if sent by LISTSERV software.
This may not necessarily be the address of the LISTSERV itself!

If it's not LISTSERV but some other list server (or mailing list manager),
then all bets are off as far as *I* can tell.  Too many different solutions
have been implemented, imho.  :-(

Regards.
$$\
From: harichan@egr.msu.edu (Ronald Harichandran)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Filter and From header line
Keywords: ELM filter
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:02:18 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu

Use of "from" in filter-rules currently matches text on the From: line.
With some of the automatic LISTSERVers, the original poster's address is
retained in the From: line, and the only way to know that the message is
from a particular LISTSERVer is to look at the very first From header
line.  Is there any way to instruct the filter program to scan the very
first From header line in mail?

Ron Harichandran
Michigan State University
Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:4240 comp.mail.headers:475
From: edwin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Edwin Yeh)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.headers
Subject: Blind Carbon Copy (bcc) to user himself automatically...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:59:34 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: h
NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de
Summary: posted to news.newuser.questions but received no response

Dear Netters,

I use both mail (mailx) and elm regularly and I think
I am proficient enough to customize them through changing
the .mailrc and writing scripts.

Here is my question:

1. How can I automate my mail program (either of them is 
   fine) to automatically send me a blind carbon copy (bcc:) 
   of each mail I sent out?

2. How can I cancel and copy (while the mail is still in queue
   of my file system) the mail I've sent out (say just 30 seconds 
   ago)? 

As of to date, I had to manually issue a command to instruct
it to do so through, for instance "~b" in mail. And for the
second question, I was able to access mails that was sent to
me by scanning through /etc/spool/mail and matching with my
user id.

I'd appreciate your response. Please send e-mail to me.

Edwin
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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 PL20 anomalies (1. ispell, 2. ^D in ps docs)
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:11:26 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

rjackson@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Richard L Jackson Jr) writes:
>I just built and installed Elm 2.4 PL20 on a DECsystem 5900 running
>Ultrix 4.3.  I have installed ispell 3.0.9.  I have noticed two
>anomalies;

>1. after composing a message and using i) (ispell), I noticed I must
>hit return after the next command.  It should not require a return
>since that is the normal interface mechanism.
This means you miscompiled ispell.  Ispell is responsible for restoring
the terminal permissions to what it found them on entry.  Elm may have
to get defensive about this, but I do know it is possible to compile
ispell on Ultrix's to work correctly.

>2. the elm.ps.tar.Z contains the PostScript version of the documentation
>and man pages.  This is great!  Unfortunately, all of the files contain
>a ^D (ascii 04) at the end of each file.  Our DEC PrintServer 20 can
>not handle ^D.  I had to delete  the line from each file.  If the
>^D does not serve a useful purpose, then please remove it.
The ^D means end of job to most batch based postscript interpreters.
At leasy my printer requires it, and since its my software that makes
up the file, the file will contain what is needed for my printer :-).
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL20
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: pat@gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan)
Subject: Re: Filter help (ELM2.3 PL11 / SYSV Rel4 Ver3)
Reply-To: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan)
Organization: Oceans & Ice Branch, NASA/GSFC/Hughes STX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:26:31 GMT

Alexandre Guimond (guimona@JSP.UMontreal.CA) wrote:
>On 20 Jan 93 18:58:03 GMT timewarp@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Edens) writes:
>	There's your problem. You need to have rules for EVERY message!

	no, that's not true.  the default rule for filter is
to append the message to your mailbox.  get yourself a more
recent copy of elm.  much work has been done on filter since
2.3PL11.


pat

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"I have a cunning plan." -- Baldrick
                                                             patrick m. ryan
     nasa / goddard space flight center / oceans and ice branch / hughes stx
                     pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov / zmpmr@charney.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Multiple messages in one??
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:09:44 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>   I am hoping someone can help me out here.  I am using Elm 2.4 PL2 on an
>RS/6000 model 220 running AIX 3.?.  In the past few days I have been getting
>multiple mail messages under one title in the index.
>   For example I was reading my mail this morning and opened up a note from
>a fellow up in New Hampshire.  His note was there but appended directly to 
>the end of it was a note (header intact) from someone else at an entirely
>different site.  I marked everything for deletion except the one item
>with two notes in it.  I quit Elm and then went back in.  This time only
>the first of the two notes was there.  
>   I suspect something on my system because this has just started to
>happen and I have not changed Elm.  Also yesterday, I tried quitting Elm
>and then going back in and looking again.  It seemed that it would still
>join two notes together in one, but not always the same two notes.
>Plain old mail read them separately with no problem.
>   Anybody have any suggestions or fixes?

Early versions of Elm 2.4 had a problem with messages with bad content
length headers, and the symptoms are just as described.  I'd update
to a more recent version when 21 comes out in a bit.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL20
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Yet another enhancement suggestion...RETURN to confirm
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:37:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On 25 Jan 1993 12:57:32 GMT mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) said:
]In article <C194wA.4A6@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk
](Richard Lloyd) writes:
]:There are several users at our site who don't like the way Elm only requires
]:a single keypress (without RETURN to confirm) for its operations, often leading
]This sounds like a good idea, but after having had an "opportunity" to
]look at Elm source code recently, it looks like it'd be evil to implement!

May I suggest that this be put on the list for version 3, selectable
via an option?
What imho seems to be the matter here, is that one would like to
enter ALL the parameters needed for a whole command in one shot,
review the input, and only *then* give the final go-ahead.
This is a totally different behaviour from what "elm" currently
shows; prompts would become unnecessary.  Thus less screen-changes
and less distractions...

Hmm..  I see something nice here; this makes it easy to implement:
   r)eply -i)nclude -n)ewsgroup -F)ile relevant-stuff  <RETURN>
or:
   r -inF relevant-stuff  <RETURN>

Normally, replies *should* by default go to the address in the
Reply-To:, Sender:, or From: field (in descending order of
priority).  But here one could override that with "-n" (for mail
from a newsgroup), or "-s) for the sender address, or "-f" for the
"From:" address.

Note btw that Elm v2.3 does *not* adhere to the above-mentioned
priority re Reply-To:/Sender:/From: as specified in RFC-822.
(Syd?)  Is this also the case for v2.4?


Regards.
$$\    F. Scott Ophof

--------------------------->  I speak *only* for *myself*  <-----
My credo:  Computers exist for OUR benefit, NEVER vice-versa.
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Incoming mailbox
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:25:50 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

jawil@hpx13.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:
>My incoming mailbox isn't /usr/mail/jawil but:
>/vhe/hpx5/users/dt92/jawil/mail/inbox 
>How do I get ELM to read this as the inbox? At the moment I'm using the -f
>flag at startup-time to change mailbox, but then I can't see what mail is New
>etc..

Use the MAIL environment variable in your .login/.profile, Elm honors it.

>Another question:
>How do I format the printing of the aliases in the alias screen?
>At the moment it is:

>     1   Bent Tranberg                                                Person    Bent
>     2   Bjarne Lien                                                  Person    Bjarne

>If I want to, for example, list the alias first, then the name, then the
>comment, what do I do?

Change the code.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL20
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: epeterso@encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL17 and Encore93
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:05:39 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mendez Marc (mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr) wrote:

| I have just tried to compile ELM 2.4PL17 on Encore 93, and it's wrong. 
| I've got first a redeclaration of memcpy... (fixed: I suppressed the
| #define MEMCPY in line 256 in defs.h)

What version of Umax V are you running?  I've built all patchlevels of
Elm 2.4 on a 93 running Umax V 3.1.2 with no difficulty whatsoever.  If
you are running a previous release of 3.1, I'd recommend upgrading if
possible.

| But then, I found out a "va_dcl" symbol before the "{" of each
| function. What is it ? My compilator refuse it. Did I make a mistake
| during the configuration . What can I do ? Please, HELP NEEDED !!

The "va_dcl" is what's called a variable arguments declaration.  This
is an old-style C construct commonly referred to as varargs(5) (Umax V
has a man page on this functionality).  This functionality allows you
to pass a variable number of arguments to a single function.

Standard C reimplemented the varargs(5) functionality with a set of
functions collectively called stdarg, which does exactly the same
thing.

Since the varargs(5) functions are old-style C, you'll have to be sure
that you tell Configure to use the C compiler flag "-q extensions=pcc_c"
(which you can abbreviate "-q ext=pcc").

Let me know if you have any further problems configuring and building
Elm 2.4.

Eric
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   Encore Computer Corp. * Ft. Lauderdale, Florida * (305) 587-2900 x 5208
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From: ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problem creating lock file
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:08:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm attempting to get elm running on an Evans & Sutherland machine.
It is essentially a MIPS machine and OS frolm what I can gather.
I finally managed to get elm compiled, but when I try to run it,
I get the following message:

Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/mail/".

The mail directory has the following permissions:

drwxrwxr-x   bin   mail   /usr/mail

and I ran Configure to be setgid. (In fact, I tried running it as
non-setgid as well trying to figure out what was wrong.) The only
other thing that I could think of to try was only using one of flock
or fcntrl locking, but that didn't help either. Anybody get it running
on one of these machines?

There was one thing that happened during Configure that I hadn't seen
while running on Suns and SGIs. Immediately after Configure looks for
tzname() and tzname_(), I got the following message:

Configure: 262 Memory fault - core dumped

Configure continued after this message and everything ran apparently
normally. Is this something that is expected and could it have something
to do with my locking problems?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: How to create an alias for an address?
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:07:28 GMT


Hi,
I need help especially since we don't hane
a MAN page for MUSH.

How can I create an alias for an address?
I have addresses that are up to 34 or so
characters long! I use them frequently and
its becoming a pain to type them over and
over again.

I know that I can use something called .MUSHRC
but what should I type in it?

Thank-you for your help.
Vivian
viviana@tamri.com

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                                                        ____
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viviana@tamri.com	       	      _.>/ _  Commuter   \/
Toshiba America MRI      	     (_) \(_) SF (Haight St) 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: marzouki@verdon.imag.fr (Meryem Marzouki)
Subject: Re: Forwarding mail with mush
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:21:49 GMT

rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill Petro) writes:

>schmeltzer@lifia.imag.fr (Olivier Schmeltzer) writes:

>>I would like to forward mail; the man pages about mush say that I have
>>to use the '~f' option followed by a [msg-list]. OK, but what is a
>>[msg-list]? I tried the number of the message but it wouldn't work.
>>So, what should I do?

>>Thanks


>What you want to do is:

>:mail -f .		[where "." is the current message]

Or simply : ":mail -f" when you are positionned on the message to be
forwarded. ":mail -f <msg_number>" works fine too.

The use of "~f" [msg_list] option ("~", or whatever defined escape
character) is a bit different : it is useful when you want to include
the forwarded message or message list in a message you are sending to
somebody. In this case, your message will look like that :

========================
[Your text]

--- Forwarded mail from somebody@...

[text of the forwarded message]

--- End of forwarded message from somebody@...

[Some more text, if any]
=======================


-- 
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46 av. Felix Viallet, 38031 Grenoble Cedex, France - Fax: (+33)76473814
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: Re: Forwarding mail with mush
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: state.eng.umd.edu
Originator: clin@state.eng.umd.edu


 In article <1993Jan21.015420.11047@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill Petro) writes:
 >schmeltzer@lifia.imag.fr (Olivier Schmeltzer) writes:
 >
 >>I would like to forward mail; the man pages about mush say that I have
 >>to use the '~f' option followed by a [msg-list]. OK, but what is a
 >>[msg-list]? I tried the number of the message but it wouldn't work.
 >>So, what should I do?
 >
 >>Thanks
 >
 >
 >What you want to do is:
 >
 >:mail -f .		[where "." is the current message]
 >
 >
 >I have created a macro in my .mushrc file:
 >
 >bind-macro '\CXf' ':flags f\n:mail -f . '
 >
 >    When you type ^X-f, it will set the message flag to f ("forwarded")
 >    and then forward the message.

    That's strange.  I thought that in mush, you could simple do

mush(msg 2)>  mail -f foo@bar
^^^^^^^^^^
(prompt)

Or if you want to mail a different message than the current one, you
write

mush(msg 2)> mail -f 1, 3-15, 18 foo@bar

   which should send mail message 1, 3 through 15 (inclusive) and 18 to foo@bar
(commas optional).

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: Re: Where to get Mush 7.2?
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:34:51
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: miles.cs.brown.edu
In-reply-to: bobw@procase.com's message of 19 Jan 93 22:50:03 GMT

In article <469@sans.UUCP>, bobw@procase.com (Bob Weissman) writes:

> I was able to get mush 7.1.1 off uunet, but can't find a later
> version.

I'd like to know as well.


rodrigo vanegas
rv@cs.brown.edu
Newsgroups: comp.doc.techreports