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From: cawalto@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOANNE WALTON)
Subject: Re: Extended trail ride questions.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:53 EST  

In article <Bish.00ki@xanodria.UUCP>, Bish@xanodria.UUCP (Doug Bischoff) writes...
>    Hello all.	More questions.
> 
>    When I was getting fairly good at staying on the horse at all gaits, I
>suggested to my friend that we take the horses out overnight or perhaps over
>a weekend and make it a camping trip.  She's a VERY outdoors-y person, so I
>was very surprised when she VEHEMENTLY refused.  Her reasoning was that we'd
>have to carry food AND water for the horses as well as ourselves.
> 
>    Now call me naieve, but I thought that horses were once wild animals
>that could drink water from practically any (non-industrial waste
>contaminated, of course) water source.	Do horses have to worry about
>Giradelli and bacteria and all that jazz like we fragile humans do?  Would
>Iodine tabs help?  And as for food, so I loosen up a bit and let my horse
>graze as we're walking and find a campsite with lotsa grass and tie 'em 
with a long rope.

>    Am I way off base here?  If not, could someone tell me what precautions
>and planning is necessary to assure that the horses will be properly cared
>for on an extended ride (perhaps even to weeks long?)  Thanks!
> 
..

Horses can drink from any nonpolluted source, but that can be hard to find 
nowadays.  I stable my horse near the Rocky River here in Ohio and he will 
have no part of it, there aren't even many fish in it.  Watch out for 
rivers that run anywhere near a golf course.

As for letting your horse eat grass instead of grain, this will cause him 
to colic if he is not used to eating a lot of grass.  If your horse is kept 
 in a stall most of the time, he will most likely get sick if you let him 
eat as much grass as he wants.

Being tied with a long rope will be a problem for most horses.  If nothing 
else, they will get tangled in it and hurt themselves trying to get out.

You may want to wait until you have more experience with horses to try 
something like this, or make sure that the person you go with has 
experience.  You should definately know some "horsey first aid" before you 
go trecking off onto the boonies.  What would you do if your horse cut his 
leg badly on a branch, or stepped on a piece of glass?  Would you know 
which things are "not so bad" and which need immediate attention?

Just food for thought.

Joanne and Cadillac
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: See this book Anywhere?
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:48:22 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

And one last post from me today-

   Has anyone ever seen the book "The Royal Horse of Europe" by Sylvia
Loch for sale?  It is WONDERFUL.  It is the complete account of the
Spanish horse through history.  It is very well researched with super
color plates.  I have a copy through inter-library loan but I have to give 
it up Dec. 29th.  I've tried all the chain bookstores, but they don't
deal with this publisher (JA Allen in London).  Being the owner of an
Iberian horse (he's actually of Portuguese blood), I found it extremely
interesting.  It seems that the contribution of the Spanish horse has
been exceedingly overlooked.  The Spanish blood may be one of the most
influential in history.  These horses have been there on the peninsula since
Neolithic times, and are very well recorded by both the Greeks and Romans
and all since.  It is quite a scholarly piece of work, and must have taken
her a long time to do all that research!  (The publihing date is 1987, I
think).  I haven't the slightest idea of the cost.  Anyway, if you see it,
let me know!  
						THANKS!
						Teresa
						Ari (Arrusito)
						Leo 
						Razzie
From: epperly@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tom Epperly)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Traveling speeds question
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:14:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering

For a fantasy roleplaying game, I would like to get some well informed
estimates about how fast a horse and rider can travel under various
conditions.  If you have such information or a reference, please send
email to me.

Here are some specific questions:

What is a typical speed for a horse and rider to travel at on a long
journey in miles/hour(including typical resting for the horse and
rider)?  How many hours per day can they keep up this pace?

What was the average speed of the pony express?  How often did they
switch mounts/riders?

Assuming that he is on a good path and the situation is most urgent,
how far could the best horseman who ever lived using the best horse(a
single horse) travel in one hour?
	...twenty-four hours(without sleep(if this is possible))
	...two days(with or without sleep(if this is possible))
	...three days(minimal sleep)
	...one week

				Tom
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From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Leasing a Horse
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:37:22 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR


I have a friend, Cathi, who will be returning to school next year and wants 
to lease her horse.  Cathi has some definite ideas what she wants in the lease 
but neither of us have ever seen a horse lease before.  Can some of you
who are familiar with horse leases send me a copy of your lease so we can look
it over and edit it to fit Cathi's situation?

Cathi is particularly interested in what the ramifications are if the lessee 
breaks the lease.  Can Cathi receive monetary damages (and if so, what is the
standard?)  Can Cathi require that the lessee use a particular 
farrier (or NOT use a particular farrier)?  Can Cathi have access to her 
horse any time she wants?  What are some of the things Cathi should BE SURE 
is included in the lease and some things to watch out for?  One thing Cathi
definitely wants is to have her horse returned to her after the 2-year lease
in the same healthy condition as the horse is now.  How can she ensure this
happens?

In this case, Cathi is a friend of the lessee and does not expect any 
problems with the lease but she just wants to make sure.

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
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From: neal@neal.CND.HP.COM (Neal Bauer)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:25:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I think that this whole episode is most unfortunate.  The AMHA maintains
the breed registry on a basis of trust in Morgan breeders and a belief in
their integrity.  This can no longer be the case.  The financial costs of 
the legal battle have also put a great strain on the AMHA.  

I think AMHA members will be receiving the written court decision in the
near future.  

Neal
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Good grief, spurs, not stirrups!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:03:53 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <jscott-161292174835@mace402.mv.us.adobe.com> jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott) writes:
>...  I have also seen them with what I think
>are called rowels which is a toothed sort of shape that is on the part of
>the spur that is angled toward the side of the horse.  These seem to me to
>be very severe and more likely to acccidently make contact with the animal.

Roweled spurs have little rotating wheels in the shank (think pizza cutter).
The wheels may be smooth or have "teeth".  I have seen some which have
the shank pointing towards the inside of the heel, with a rowel,
which are very severe indeed.

HOwever you may also be descibing a fairly new type of spur I can't
remember the name of, which have large smooth teeth on the 
inside of the arm itself.  I've never used these, but they
appear to be quite mild, and would pretty much automatically
be applied when you apply a leg aid--less severe, but you have
less choice about when to use them.  Any netters actually used
these?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: stebbins@watson.bms.com (GAYE STEBBINS)
Subject: horses in central New Jersey
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:51:00 GMT

I'm new to this posting stuff, so please forgive  me for not attaching the 
orginal post I am responding to.  As for the cost to keep a horse in central 
NJ:  you will be lucky to find a place to board for $250/mo.  I would count on 
$300-$400 to be a good estimate.  But it depends where in central/south Jersey 
you are located.  As for farrier expenses, count on $20-$30 for a trim and 
$50-$60 for two basic front shoes.  If the horse requires shoes all around, 
count on $80-$90.  If corrective shoeing is required expect to pay more.  For 
example my mare required bar shoes on the front, no shoes on the back and it 
cost me $100 - this became quite an expense every six weeks even when I would 
have my farrier reset the shoes for a cost of $90.  As for vet expenses, It 
will cost about $100 to vet a horse out for soundness, x-rays of the feet 
and/or knees will run $100-$200.  So, depending on the expense of the horse 
you may or may not want to take x-rays, and just go with a soundness check.  
Yes, you can get burned, but if your horse costs $500 (as some do right off 
the track) you may decide to gamble, (no pun intended).  Yearly vet visits for 
coggins, vaccinations and the such will run about $100 and you can expect 
at least one emergency vet call a year which will run a minimum of $75 and 
upward.  

On the topic of an 'unregistered' horse: There are some areas of riding that 
it does not matter if your horse is register or not and therefor, the animals 
value is not decreased.  These areas would include hunters, jumpers, 
equitation, ect. The only factor is the animals performance and/or suitability. 
But, since you did mention that you are 'green' I would suggest a horse with 
one leg in the grave, bomb proof, and all in all SAFE.  For you, safety should 
be the most important factor so you can learn with out 'problems' from the 
horse, and you could enjoy trails, ect. 

Good luck
Gaye Stebbins
Nicholas and Ivana
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Which way stirrups?
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:28:32 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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In article <jscott-111292101744@mace402.mv.us.adobe.com> jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott) writes:
>Which way up do English stirrups go?  


I'm guessing that you mean SPURS, not stirrup.  A stirrup hangs from
the saddle and you put your foot in it.  A spur goes on your boot and
the point is to get a forward reaction out of your horse.  In most
cases, the point should go down, that is, when you're in the saddle,
the arc of the point goes:

                              
                    *   *   *
               *             
            *
 OK, so I'm not a great artist, but this is supposed to be looking at
the outside of your right foot.  The horse's nose is to the right,
tail to the left.  Wearing them this way is milder, and since you're
probably a beginner, wearing them pointed up would have a greater
effect but could be a really bad experience for your horse unless you
have extremely fine control of your leg position.

Have fun at the show!
-Sarah Pallas
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: Carnivorous horse?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:51:57 GMT

In article <BzFs9K.EpC@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>, Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
|> 
|> One of our mares has taken a likely to eating dog food - usually
|> because its the first thing she sees, on the way to her stall, that
|> looks like her supper.  She's a *very* easy keeper, about 150 lbs.
|> overweight (I've been riding her while mine is on the DA list) and
|> isn't getting much more food than the pony.  She comes in hungry
|> (don't blame her, but the weight has to come off somehow).  She's
|> the kind of horse that doesn't know when to stop eating, including
|> bad hay or anything else that shows up in front of her face.
|> 
|> Just wondering whether an occasional munch on dried dog food is
|> going to get her into trouble.  She is not prone to colic and is
|> more likely to founder than get an upset stomach.  Anybody else
|> out there experience problems when horses eat things intended for
|> dogs, when I forget to hide their bowl where she can't get it.
|> A friend's appaloosa has a liking for hot dogs and she's had
|> no problem to date, but dog food?
|> 
|> Ruth
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I wouldn't recommend dog food as a steady diet, but my older mare (9 yo)
(and she too is a very greedy--oops, I mean easy--keeper) would 
occasionally duck her head into the dogfood dish on her way to her
stall.  She started this when I was boarding her and later tried it 
in my barn.  It never hurt her, but she never got more than a mouthful 
either.  It was just something you had to be alert about while you 
were leading her into the barn--if anything edible showed up within 
snatching distance of her mouth--she'd grab it.

Mary Lee
Ravenswood Apps
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC

Pat,

I've ridden a mare that had a real tendency to get those nasty snowballs in her
front feet for the last couple of winters.  Here in Minnesota the snow can
get kind of soft and sticky and the snowballs in feet can get really big!

Last winter the farrier put some "snowpads" on the mare's front feet.  These
pads had convex circles in them, maybe three inches in diameter, to prevent 
the snow from balling up.  This is the most effective method I have seen to
keep snowballs out of feet, and I've tried Pam, vasoline, WD-40, and a ton
of other things.  Until last winter I thought if I went for a trail ride I
would just have to count on jumping off and picking out her feet anytime we
went through any sizable amount of snow.

By the way, the mare has normal flat pads on this winter and guess what?
Snowballs!
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From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Help! My horse has turned into a Juvenile Delinquent!
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: radner@cray.com

LR . This sweet-tempered young stallion who is a marshmallow at any other time 
LR . has recently gotten to the point (says the barn manager) where even she is
LR . afraid to lead him down the aisle because he rears and screams and
LR . does all sorts of stallion nonsense at other horses in their stalls. 
LR . Apparently this week she got pinned between him and the stall he was
LR . rearing at. At any other time (in the stall, when turned out, etc.) he's
LR . still a marshmallow.
LR . 
LR . I find this behaviour problem to be TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

We've had stallions at public stud for years, and my first impluse is to 
suggest you geld him or get rid of him before he hurts you, somebody 
else, or himself.  A stallion is generally considered the second most 
dangerous domesticated animal -- bulls are the first.  As his owner, you 
are liable for any injury or damage he causes.

Yoyr stallion needs to be taught to focus on his handler, and nothing 
else.  If my first two suggestions aren't acceptable, invest in some 
training with an experienced stallion handler.  If you insist on doing 
it yourself, learn what to do with the whip, don't just hit the horse.  
The technique is called "whip-breaking" and is best decribed in 
_Breaking and Riding_ by James Fillis (available in reprint) and _How to 
Handle and Educate Vicious Horses_ by Oscar R. Gleason (long out of 
print).  Other methods work, many of them taught by the modern day horse 
"behaviorists," such as Ray Hunt or John Lyon.  We frequently use a 
"make-nice" halter on our youngsters.  It's quite mild and humane, but 
very effective.  To simplify the technique, work with the horse, when he 
stops focussing on you, yank on the make-nice.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Book Wanted
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU

WG . Does anyone know a US source for the book Conditioning Sport
WG . Horses by Hilary Clayton. I would like to phone in an order and 
WG . pay by VISA.  The book is published by Sport Horse Pubns in 
WG . Saskatoon, Canada, and I'm afraid I won't be able to get it from
WG . them in time for Christmas.  I am also interested in sources of
WG . heart monitors for horses.  THANKS IN ADVANCE

Robin Bledsoe, Bookseller - 1640 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02138, 
617-576-3634, 617-661-2445 (fax).  It's listed in her new current titles 
catalog.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
                                                                                                                      
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen)
Subject: Re: Swinging Hindquarters
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:58:38 GMT

Debbie, I've found that doing counterbending helps alot when Belle 'boats'
around corners. He probably isn't supple enough to do more than a couple
of strides, but that's been enough for me to get the idea across to Belle.
She does it because (of course) it's easier for her than bending. If your
guy is very tense its understandable for him to have trouble. Good luck!
(I can't take Belle on the trail either. too anxious. some eventer huh?)

geri & Belle
From: mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: 19ft. Stock Trailer for sale
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:21:08 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

   19FT. CIRCLE J Stock trailer for sale::: like new condition, good tires
   manger and large tack compartment. Gray with white roof.

                                     Ask for Dan at (814) 355-7205 day
                                                    (814) 355-0917 evenings
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kevley@maths.tcd.ie (Kevin Crowley)
Subject: bareback riding and names (was: 3rd time's the charm)
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:59:16 GMT


Have you ever tried jumping bareback?It is a very good aid to improving
the jumping position,as you have to move with the horse as he jumps.
Where I ride we are constantly made to jump without a saddle to improve
our jumping.
When the stables has a show there is usually a bareback round for fun.
It is very fast and very competitive,but is always great fun.
A word of warning,however:if,like me you are one of the male species,it can 
be very sore on landing and may require rest afterwards to recover.
  
On names:
         Here in Ireland,when a foal is born,the name is usually taken from
the names of the sire and dam(at our stable anyway)
e.g. The stallion was called Santa's Sleigh and the mare was called Turquoise
Sky,so the foal was called Santa Sky.
This was purely for registration purposes-most TB's are named that way.
He was the most beautiful foal I have ever seen and we actually called him 
Sula.This is a deviation of the irish word for eyes-he had striking wall 
eyes which added to his beauty.
From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Which way stirrups?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:27:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

OK, I admit I feel dumb asking, so be kind please.  I also don't know the
names of the anatomical regions of these gadgets, so be patient.

Which way up do English stirrups go?  

On an English stirrup the point (the business end) seems to be at an angle
to the curved part that goes around the ankle.  I have not found a picture
in any of my horsie books of a rider with English stirrups showing to use
as a reference.  The reference book I have mentions when to wear them, but
not how.  I have found a few pictures in catalogs.  State Line seems to
think the point goes up.  Rick's appears to be just as convinced that it
goes down.  Miller's doesn't sell any and doesn't show any on the boots
they sell.  My teacher said up, I think, but my new stirrups have printing
on the inside with the makers name and if I point them up, the printing is
upside down.  

Can someone out there enlighten me before I go out and embarrass myself at
a (schooling) show?

Joyce

By the way, Gail Snow, Joe Keefe says hi!
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 1993
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:31:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1gnrajINNoqh@meaddata.meaddata.com> barb@meaddata.com (Barb Bruns) writes:
>How about a year that includes an electronic network where equestrians all
>around the world can post and read information about their favorite topic?
>
>Pretty weird, huh?
>

How about a year when local corporations put up day boarding facilities
next to their parking lots for employees who want to ride to work?

Rudy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Carnivorous horse?
Originator: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:56:07 GMT


One of our mares has taken a likely to eating dog food - usually
because its the first thing she sees, on the way to her stall, that
looks like her supper.  She's a *very* easy keeper, about 150 lbs.
overweight (I've been riding her while mine is on the DA list) and
isn't getting much more food than the pony.  She comes in hungry
(don't blame her, but the weight has to come off somehow).  She's
the kind of horse that doesn't know when to stop eating, including
bad hay or anything else that shows up in front of her face.

Just wondering whether an occasional munch on dried dog food is
going to get her into trouble.  She is not prone to colic and is
more likely to founder than get an upset stomach.  Anybody else
out there experience problems when horses eat things intended for
dogs, when I forget to hide their bowl where she can't get it.
A friend's appaloosa has a liking for hot dogs and she's had
no problem to date, but dog food?

Ruth
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