HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: High speed modem attached to 3500
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:03:46 GMT

In article <sasblc.714248243@ddt>, sasblc@unx.sas.com (Brad Chisholm) writes:

  I've been testing a v.32bis modem attached to the serial port of my 3500.
  Unfortunately, for speeds above 9600 baud, I seem to be losing data.  I
  understand that PC's often need an upgraded UART to handle high speeds,
  but would such a thing be possible for my Apollo?

The dn3500 uses a pair of Signetics 2681s for the serial ports.  These have
no fifo.  I don't know if there is an equivalent pin-compatible chip with
fifo like the 16550 used in IBM PCs, but even if there is, you would have to
re-write the device driver to handle it.

I find that my dn3500 keeps up at 9600, but not at 19200.  The buffer space
in the kernel is quite small, a couple hundred bytes, but the hardware flow
control works well.  Use it.

  Since the Apollos have
  an AT bus, could I add an internal modem that has its own UART, or would
  I need a new serial driver also (I think there's a PD driver called FAS,
  anyone know anything about this?)

You could write a driver using gpio.  I'd be interested in hearing of such a
free (nothing is PD these days) driver.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: jrm@zeta.ma.adfa.oz.au (John R Marley)
Subject: Setting Disk Quotas on an external SCSI disk?
Organization: Maths Dept., A.D.F.A., Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:40:28 GMT

Howdy!  We've finally got around to setting up disk quotas on our network of
Apollos, all of which are now at SR10.4.  I'm presently sitting at a 425e with
a 1Gb external SCSI disk.  When we INVOLed the disk, we performed option 12 to
set up the quota table.  Now, when I try to run edquota, it fails.  According
to /bin/df our filesystem is /dev/wn128a:

	[zeta]_95 ~ % df
	Filesystem         kbytes    used   avail capacity  Mounted on
	/dev/wn128a       1012668  406636  606032    40%    //zeta

According the manual, "edquota /dev/wn128a -l" should list the current quota
table:

	[zeta_root]_32 / % edquota /dev/wn128a -l
	 User                   quota-limit   currently-used
	 ----                   -----------   --------------
	edquota: No such file or directory

Of course, /dev/wn128a does not exist.  Yet, the machine boots fine and works
wonderfully.  At least it appears to.  The file system is listed as mounted in
/etc/mtab despite the non-existence of /dev/wn128a.

What do I have to do to get the quotas to work?  I tried turning quota checking
on first using quotaon, but that didn't help.  I tried using mknod to create
/dev/wn128a (and /dev/rwn128a) but to no avail.

Thanks in advance,

John Marley.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: smv@apollo.hp.com (Steve Valentine)
Subject: Re: High speed modem attached to 3500
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:00:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

As Jim Rees already said, the 3500 uses the 2681, which a) has no fifos
and b) is not at all compatible with the SIO chips used in PCs.

You didn't say what version of Domain/OS you're running.
If you're not already up to sr10.4, you should consider upgrading.
The kernel tty buffers were increased to 2K from 256/512 in sr10.2/sr10.3.

You might also try hardware (RTS/CTS) flow-control if your modem supports it.
Use: tctl -rts_enable -cts_enable
 or see the Apollo extentions to the POSIX termios interface in sr10.4.

>P.S.  What's the difference between using /dev/sio1 vs. /dev/tty01?  They
>      both seem to work with kermit.

The only difference is that /dev/tty devices block waiting for carrier (DCD)
on open (if O_NONBLOCK/FNDELAY is not specified) and /dev/sio ignores carrier.
-- 
Steve Valentine - smv@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Systems Division, Chelmsford, MA
Hermits have no peer pressure. -Steven Wright
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: uucico: how to increase the window/packet size?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:57:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Aug13.145735.28397
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

We are using a Telebit T2500 (soon to change to a WorldBlazer) on our
DN3550 running 10.3.5.  I connect to a T2500 or WorldBlazer at home and
was wondering if there was a way to change the window and/or packet size
in uucico to try and improve our transfer rate from ~800 cps to
something closer to 2000.  Has anyone does this or have information on
how it can be done?
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From: u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: colormap "black" not found under X11
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:01:38 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug17.170237.10335@amd.com>, dwork@angelo.amd.com (Jeff Dwork) writes:
> In article <1992Aug8.111553.2833@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>Our school has a lot of apollos workstation
>>but when I start X windows server
>>it always complain 
>>colormap "black" not found
>>any one know what's wrong with the program?
>>we are using X11.4 on old apollos(68k)machine
> 
> Do you have a colorful picture as your root window?
> We have seen this happen with pictures with many colors.
> Setting the root window to something simple fixes the problem.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --
it happens to be both color and mono monitor
From: ttknock@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Robert Armstrong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Wanted: Fast/Color Apollo
Summary: Apollo Wanted
Keywords: apollo wanted
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:37:22 GMT
Followup-To: Nothing
Organization: None


 I am interested in buying a color Apollo system with either a fast
030/882 or an 040 in it. If you are selling one used or are a commercial
dealer please feel free to e-mail me any information.

ttknock@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: swamp@nrtpa22.bnr.ca (Steve Swamp)
Subject: x3270 on apollo?
Keywords: x3270
Reply-To: swamp@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:37:22 GMT

Has anyone got a working copy of x3270 on the apollo? I can get it
to compile fine, but when I start it up, the window size stays fixed
at a smaller size. I can change font sizes fine, but the window will
not resize, even if I do it manually.


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steve swamp                       BNR
email: swamp@bnr.ca               Research Triangle Park, NC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: dl@thumper.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: Is the /install dir necessary?
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:15:28 GMT

This directory takes up alot of disk space and we were wondering
If it is necessary
dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Subject: Apollo 2500 15" and 19" monitors
Summary: DN2500 15" monitor dead Is 19" 3500 monitor useable?
Keywords: monitors,2500,
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:47:31 GMT

The 15" monitors on my DN2500 died ( two in one week- just after we had
converted them effectively to X terminals- Does Apollo have an X
detector, and zap the monitors when x is detected?) I can get ahold of
some ver cheap 19" from a 3500. They seem to work abfter I readjusted
the horizontal position and vertical size, but am I going to run into
trouble? How does the video driver on the 2500 detect that a high res
19" is attached (or does it?). Teh video is built into the motherboard,
and there are no obvious switches. I know the 2500 was sold with both 15
and 19" monitors. Surely it wasn't a seperate motherboard for each type.
Anyway am I liable to burn out the 19" by using them?
Bill Unruh
unruh@physics.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: hpeyerl@novatel.cuc.ab.ca (Herb Peyerl)
Subject: Re: DN10K's for sale
Organization: "NovAtel Communications Ltd."
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:22:28 GMT

Alan Whitton (awhitton@bnr.ca) wrote:
: HP actually had a trade-in program where you got about $5K off the price
: of a 750 if you traded your DN10K in. Not bad if you bought it about 3 years
: ago, and have "creatively accounted" it down to nothing....

Actually, our depreciation cycle is 5 years and we've only had the 
thing for about 2 1/2.  We still have one left, and we can't even run
our Mentor software on it anymore since we need new versions of libraries
and can only get them for the m68k processors... It's acting as an over-
glorified Authorized Area now... We lose.

But if you think THAT's bad, we've only had our 5500's for a year......

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From: krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re:  Unable to open a stream to the SIO line
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:26:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Sigh! Try the command "/etc/mkdev /dev sio" to rebuild
your /dev/sio and /dev/tty devices. They get hung sometimes
(perhaps they are closed improperly, I don't know, and I'm
*real* tired of having to manually clear the errors).

== Dave Krowitz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: dumping executable images?
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:19:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.194910.9716@lucid.com>, lnz@lucid.com (Leonard N. Zubkoff) writes:

  Are you sure this works correctly for all cases?  ...
  In private email I just received another patch from Rob Stanzel at Apollo...

I also got mail from Rob.  Apparently the patches I got earlier from John
Vasta worked with early versions of sr10.4, but more patches are needed.

By the way, I sent all the collected Apollo patches to the guy who maintains
epoch, and he has merged them in to epoch 4.1.  It would be great if this
could make its way in to emacs too.  The current emacs sources contain 6
year old sr9.7 support code.

I don't run either emacs or sr10.4, so I can't help much here.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.dsp,comp.sys.hp
From: geiger@sel.sub.org (Helmut Geiger)
Subject: EISA-Board
Keywords: TMS320C40,EISA
Organization: ALCATEL SEL LP/STA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:23:16 GMT

hi folks,

we are looking for a EISA-BOARD with a TMS320C40 DSP and DUAL PORT RAM on
board. We would be very glad if someone gives us some information about 
boards and vendors.

Thanks,

-- 
Helmut Geiger     geiger@sel.sub.org  +49 7231 300 287
ALCATEL SEL AG    Pforzheim  Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: misch@rbhp90.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Clemens Misch)
Subject: Re: S-records
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:47:08 GMT
Reply-To: misch@rbhp90.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Organization: Rechnerbetriebsgruppe FB20; TH Darmstadt (Germany)


In article <l8ipdpINNlt9@atacama.cs.utexas.edu>, cpg@cs.utexas.edu (Carlos M. Puchol) writes:
> Hi, I have a request for sources for translation programs
> for S-Records. Let's see:
> 
> 1) I have a file that looks like this:
> 
> S30500000000FA
[ deleted ]
> S70500000000FA
> 
> What are these called? [Let's call them S3/S7-records or Motorola Records]

Motorola S-Format.
Same as S1/S9 but with 4 byte adress (S3 <=> S1, S7 <=> S9 )

> 2) I have an eprom programmer that will accept files like this:
> 
> :10000000F6260E2029204DC6031D1F01C6021D170E

[ deleted ]
> :00000001FF
> 
> What are these called? [Let's call them Intel records]

Intel Hex-Format

> Now the problem is:

[ deleted ]

Sorry. No pointer. I do know that these programs exist (I'v seen them
in some ftp server), but I don't rember which one
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: hebert@ERC.MsState.Edu (Shane Hebert - RJM)
Subject: Re: 020 vs 030
Organization: /ngp-home/hebert/.organization
	<1992Aug12.234441.11526@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:57:27 GMT

ahansfor@hongkong.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
>
>Correct.  The 68030 supports burst mode (for 32-bit accesses) and has a
>256kbyte data cache.  The cache really boosts performance on loops of <256kb.
 ^^^^^^^^
	nope.  256 byte maybe?


>Floyd Goodrich
>floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: shome@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Tapas Shome)
Subject: Pointer needed for gcc-2.2.2- cross library generationgk~[;z+
Summary: MC68020 Run time Library needed for gcc-2.2.2
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:56:40 GMT

 I am using gcc-2.2.2 as cross development platform for Mc68020 target machine.
So far I have gcc2.2.2 going but without the libgcc1.c. Also I need help
with gnu-ln ftp sites.
The central question is without the libgcc1.c and libgcc2.c the cross compiler is
useless.
Can somebody help me with this library. There must be some users who must have done it.


Also There seems to be some problem with COFF format genaration with
gas1.38. The patches mentioned in gas1.36 do not work properly.

I think trying to generate the libgcc1.c and libgcc2.c from assembly code
is very tiring.
All pointers will be appreciated.
I promise to post the suggestions in the net.

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E_mail: (Tapas Shome )shome@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca, tshome@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Aim:  Ordnung ist halve laben. Arbeit mucht ordnung.
From: tcd@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Zero-suppressed register?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:09:30 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

      I do a little bit of 680xx programming for the Macintosh, and	
have occassionally seen mention of a "zero supressed register", 
denoted by e.g., ZA0.  I couldn't find any mention of such an animal 
in the Motorola User's Guides, and am curious what it is.  Is it
something to do with the MMU and/or specific to a particular OS?  I
guess if I don't know what it is, I probably will never have a need
for it, but I'm still curious.

Tim Dorcey
From: ulhrl@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Assembly language programs for MC68000
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:30:04 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

I am interested in obtaining public domain/shareware programs written in 
assembly language for the MC68000.  I am particularly interested in those
relating to input/output programs.  Does anyone know of any such programs and
where they might be found? 
Thankyou

H.Lloyd
University of Newcastle, Australia
ULHRL@CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer)
Subject: 68882 vs 68881 coprocessor
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:12:48 GMT

Waht is the difference between the two above mathematical
coprecessors? Do they have the same set of instructions?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams)
Subject: Re: C++ compiler for VME147, UNIX System V/68
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:05:29 GMT
Organization: TH-Darmstadt



Hui Chau Man wrote:

>I am now using a VME147. The O/S UNIX Sysetm V/68 by Motorola. I would
>like to know if there are any C++ compilers which can run on this
>machine.

I have ported G++ to sysV68R3.6 for MVME147. But:
	
	o) libg++ shows a bug: closing a file descriptor aborts the program.
	o) no approberiate Debugger (GDB 4.[56] ) has yet been ported to
		MVME147
best adams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: rflukes@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard F. Lukes)
Subject: Ever heard of a Lambda Lisp Machine?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:45:02 GMT

I require any information whatsoever about a M68010-base computer system
known as a Lambda Lisp Machine.  This machine uses the 3-connector VME
form factor which looks mysteriously like a a Sun VME bus. In particular
I need to know if this machine did in fact make use of the VME bus.
It also makes use of Multibus carrier boards.

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated.  A reference
to a magazine article or advertisement would be extremely useful.

Thanks in advance,
			Rich
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From: rvdsandn@mswe.dnet.ms.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Looking for a 68000 C cross compiler on PC
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:07:39 GMT
Organization: Philips Medical Systems Nederland

Hello everybody,

I am in need for a 68000 C cross compiler which runs on a IBM PC compatible.
Is there such a product preferably PD or sharware but I am also interested
in commercial products.

Greetings from the Netherlands,

Robert van der Sanden

email: rvdsandn@mswe.dnet.ms.philips.nl
phone: +31 40 762168
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Re: 020 vs 030
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.143907.13839@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.012227.29329@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.234441.11526@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>>>
>>>Correct.  The 68030 supports burst mode (for 32-bit accesses) and has a
>>>256kbyte data cache.  The cache really boosts performance on loops of <256kb.
>>^^^^^^^^^^
>>it has a 256Kbyte data cache????? woah, hold on, unless Im way out in the blue yonder I was under the impression it was a great deal smaller!
>>(just checking, don't have a data book handy)... 256Kbytes, seems a tad on the large side though.
>>
>
>You are right.  I caught that after sending it.  Both the data and instruction
>caches on the 68030 and EC030 are 256 byte not 256K byte.  What's a few orders
>of magnitude among friends?  ;-)
>
>
>---
>Floyd Goodrich
>floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com


heh okay, I feel better now, you'd started to scare me cause I was almsot positive
I knew it was smaller, but as ever more prone to think I screwed up, than someone else.

*grin*
hey its only one letter right? a simple extra k here and there heh.
Joanthan Smith
From: shome@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Tapas Shome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Pcomm on sparc
Summary: Pcomm Installed on Sparc-2.
Keywords: Pcomm installed on sparc
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:05:38 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


 I had bit of success in installing pcomm ( procomm for sparc-2 )
and making it run sparc -2. I am using the pcomm to communicate
with incircuit emulator mc68k. I think this info will be useful for
persons interested to cross development.
Pcom is free. So far I do not know any other product similar to pcommm
that could be used in similar fashion.

I will reply to specific info that you have.


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From: mef@ehsl.mitre.org (Marc E. Fiucznski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Srecs -> bin -> disassembly
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:17:40 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Electronic Hardware Standards Laboratory, MITRE Corporation,
	Reston, VA.

Hi,

I'm searching for some software that will take a S2 records, convert
it to binary form.  Then I need a disassembler for 68K so I can look
at the code.

Thanks,

Marc

ps. reply via email please!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: ahansfor@hongkong.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: 020 vs 030
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:05:20 GMT



Another group is having a discussion on whether the 020 or 030 should
be the minimum processor used in new systems.  So I have a few
questions that I would like to post to a place of finding a more
accurate answer.

First assume that MU is not needed by the OS so an EC030 could
probably be used. (Several accelerators do this)

Given the same clock speed, the EC030 would be faster than the 020 due
to the data cache, and burst cycles (if the memory supports burst). Correct?

Does the EC030 have any other advantaged over the 020?

IS the EC030 pin compatible with the 030 so if you needed a PMMU later
you could just pop a 030 in place of the EC030.  Does the EC030 have a
the coprocessor interface for an 882?

What is the current $$/chip in lots of 10,000 for the 030,EC030, and 020?

Thanks 

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu