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From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:55:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky) writes:
>It was at Comdex in November.  Nobody knew about it, since the only one I saw
>was at the Motorolla booth, and it was sitting right next to an A4000.I don't

Atari had a large booth and was showing off the Falcon at Comdex. It was
a pretty good presentation, with plenty of falcons to play with. I was
not overly impressed with the machine.

>think we have too much to worry about, gang.  It doesn't appear to me that I  
>have ever *seen* anyone with an Atarii computer since 1989, and that guy sold 
>it to help pay for a MIDI keyboard.
>-Joe Solinsky

Hey who knows. Look how many c-64's get sold in europe, the falcon may go 
over very well over there. It is a dead issue in the US though.

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:17:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.151002.10308W@viper.edb.tih.no> jorni@edb.tih.no
(Joern G. Innset,o90a) writes:

>>Not bad at all. Is the NOK price MSRP or retail?

>Retail - see why I'm so happy? :-D

Something tells me you'd be even happier if it were the MSRP...
(suggested CBM price vs. street price)

>Rumor has it there won't be a straight 030 for some time. A4000T - no word
>on that.

Hmm... that's quite possible, although I would suspect that an '030 module
would be a relatively simple change in design strategy. It would be nice to
see a number of A4000T configurations as well. Eggebrecht says mid-February,
so you never know.

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From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: His Own Place
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:01:06 GMT

gel212@gel.ulaval.ca writes:

>AMIGA
>=====

>pros:
>    - The most underestimated operating system and GUI in the world. The
>    GUI is almost as good as the MAC GUI. It is highly flexible and
>    customizable.

Wrong, it's better than the MAC GUI.

>The OS is not as stable as the MAC OS though. But
>it is still better than Windows.

HA HA, the MAC guru's more often than my Amiga 500.

BTW. Don't judge the OS by the programs, use/program it yourself.

>MAC
>===

[stuff deleted]

> - Great hardware quality. Those MACs are really well built. They
>    look great on your desk. Good design has allways been one of the
>    greatest strength of Apple. I've never seen a better laptop than
>    the PowerBook.

I think Apple should do what they are good at, design Tupperware plastic-bowls.

> - The best GUI in the world. It is a simple, yet powerful interface.
>    It is as stable as you can get. This is really what intuitive
>    interface means. And best of all, it is consistent. All MAC programs
>    work the same way; even the menus seem to contain the same items from
>    one application to the other. Even today, the MAC is still the
>    easiest computer to learn to use.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA !

> - Easy software and hardware installation. Similar to the Amiga, the
>    MAC is really easy to upgrade. You put the card in a free NuBus slot
>    and power up the computer and it's done! No clumsy dip switches or
>    drivers. Even a kid can upgrade a MAC. Due to its consistent GUI,
>    software installation is just as easy. While it takes a couple of
>    minutes to install software on a MAC, it can take hours on a PC. You
>    allways have to tell every program what kind of hardware you have.
>    Even with MS-Windows, software installation is no easy job.


"Easy software" ?   I'd say you get a headache after a couple of minutes,
due to all stupid requester-things. You know -A computer so simple that even
a complete fool could use it, only a complete fool would want to use.


/Mattias

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From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:58:33 GMT

In article (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>the February issue of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article  
>entitled "Falcon030 Leads the Pack" (p. 58).
It was at Comdex in November.  Nobody knew about it, since the only one I saw  
was at the Motorolla booth, and it was sitting right next to an A4000.  I don't  
think we have too much to worry about, gang.  It doesn't appear to me that I  
have ever *seen* anyone with an Atarii computer since 1989, and that guy sold  
it to help pay for a MIDI keyboard.
-Joe Solinsky
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:39:07 CET
From: <K3023E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
 <10549@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> <swssauby.727971653@reading>

>> >How is it worldwide? Mac is hardly never mentioned in games magazines
>> >here in Europe.

>>What is a Mac?
>It's a type of coat. (short for Macintosh after the inventor, a scotsman)

Its a sort of apple (The one who grow on trees (sic)). (short for Macintosh)
I believe its the red one...

>>--
>>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>--
>        Michael Saunby (M.Saunby@reading.ac.uk)

Regards, Werner.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:22:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <10549@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>

>What is a Mac?

That's the double-decker hamburger served at McDonalds.  In Germany, the
McDonald's ketchup is way too sweet, but even so, they're not very good.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: AMaxII+
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:37:35 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
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I have heard that the AMaxII plus is actually faster than a real Mac, is this
true?

Phil Martin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:54:46 GMT
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Michael Cianflone (mike@struad.cts.com) wrote:
:
: [Discussion about goto's]
:
:   Jerry, you'll never admit you're wrong, will you? You think you can BS your
: way through the person you're posting to. But you have to realize, it's not
: you against one person... It's you against the whole net. (by "you" I mean you
: in general, not specifically you). So it's one person's background and
: education against the WHOLE net's background and education. One person posts
: but there are hundreds/thousands of people reading that will have more
: knowledge of 1 thing in your posts. And someone else will have more knowledge
: of 1 other thing in your post, etc. And that person that is educated more
: in their respective field will point out the mistake. And the other person
: that is more educated in their respective field will point out another
: mistake, etc.
:   So unless you really know what you're talkig about, or only speak of that
: which thou knowest, you will get told you're wrong by someone who has been
: working in that field since before you were born.
:   But no, Jerry will continue to tell *every* person that corrects him, that
: they are wrong, thinking that he can BS each single person.
:

OK, Michael, this is beginning to piss me off.  If you're going to accuse me
like this, provide some proof.

It's getting ridiculous.  Your paranoia is causing you to read more out of my
articles than I put in.  Throughout this whole "goto" discussion, people with
extreme cases of selective comprehension impairment have been trying to prove
my own statement to me, providing K&R quotes, etc., and then demanding that I
admit to having been wrong.  What was I wrong about?!
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:44:10 GMT

In article <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>How much does it cost, you ask?
>
>For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
>gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.

Anyone heard anything lately about hydrogen power?  I recall seeing a 
program on the television about such a beast.  The fuel was expensive to
produce, but they said it would be cheaper if mass-produced and the source
(water) is almost limitless.  If I'm not mistaken, the only pollution was
water vapor and the conversion from a gasoline engine was not difficult.

>Not the ultimate answer, but it beats the hell out of killing our
>atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
>any day.

The idea of electric cars didn't appeal to me until I thought about all
the torque that one can generate.  Should be awesome for pulling trailers,
hill-climbing, and mud-riding.  :-)

ObAdvocacy:

How good or bad is Commodore with regard to the environment?  I saw a report
a while back which listed IBM and a few others as being some of the biggest
polluters due to their manufacturing process.  Oh, I forgot, that sort of
information is probably covered by the NDA...  :-)

>Greg
>
>(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :)
>(: "Just because Workbench isn't painted like a pimp's BMW doesn't    :)
>(:  mean it's not sharp, elegant, and functional."    -Ian Kennedy    :)
>(: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Wubba :)

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:42:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan26.121123.18965@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: I was being serious... I thought I had noticed a trend of cooler summers over
: the past 2-3 years... But then that could just be from Mt. Pinatubo...

Or, it could just be that the phenomenon of Global Warming doesn't
necessarily warm EVERYTHING immediately, but begins by shifting all of
the normal weather patterns.  This could easily explain higher than
normal temperatures in some places while explaining the lower than
normals in others.

It's been a long time since I've seen a six foot snowdrift, something
that was once a common sight.

Greg

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Move
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:08:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.053223.23394@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
|> So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
|> one subdirectory level?

Well, yes, but there's no "..", so it's

rename Civilization /

--or--

rename Civilization :    (":" is the root in AmigaDOS...)

|> -- 
|> Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Amigan Whalloping Re: Move
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:48:44 GMT

In article <1jli2vINNd7h@giraf.cs.ubc.ca> mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller) writes:
>file, either.  Investigate the DOSKEY command.

Hmm, I'll look into it.

>>You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
>>Does it matter, Skip?
>
>Well, yes.  For one thing, there doesn't seem to be a standard location
>for the \ key on PC keyboards.  I find that I keep having to hunt for
>it when I need to type paths in DOS.  For another, it's not like Unix,
>and can't be made such with an alias or a couple of extra programs
>lying around in your bin directory.  (I'm not suggesting Unix is
>perfect, but if I use it all day, having similar behaviour at home
>would be nice.  You express interest in wanting Unix commands; I would
>think you'd want Unix path syntax too, for similar reasons.)

Well, I don't really care.  I never do complicated path strings in UNIX
anyway, and I've become used to where my PC puts the \.

>Why am I beginning to suspect that Falcon3 is becoming a big stick?

*whallop*  See! You didn't even _feel_ that until now?!!

>stephan("no relation to Genghis Khan");
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:16:47 GMT

In article <torrie.728090456@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu
(Evan Torrie) writes:

>>With an entry-level system like the A1200, every item is scrutinized in terms
>>of consumer pricing and manufacturing costs, so using a EC020 chip is a
>>reasonable compromise. As for the A4000, the only currently available model
>>makes use of a full 68040, despite any misconceptions to the contrary.
>>The decision to market an EC030 version is likely a measure to satisfy those
>>that are midway between the A1200 and A4000 in their product demands. An
>>additional 68030 version is slated to follow.

>  And cynics would say that this was an example of Commodore "crippling"
>their machines, and how horrible the world was where "marketing means
>more than architecture and design".

Somehow this sounds a little tinged by the sarcasm of one who's read a
few too many criticisms of the Mac LC architecture :). I don't envision
an EC030 CPU module as a crippling factor, as the only drawback is processing
power. Apart from that, the systems are identical.

>  Or would they?

At least one name comes to mind :).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:27:24 GMT
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Philip McDunnough (philip@utstat.toronto.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan28.000628.20006@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

: Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to abuse public forms. Along with
: freedom comes responsibilities. There is a guide to acceptable behaviour on
: the Internet. Moreover I specifically mentioned Internet access. I don't        feel that undergraduate students should have access to it. The Usenet is
Exuse me?  As an undergraduate, I would _love_ to hear the reasons for this.

: >Anyone wanting to limit access to the internet because they don't like what
: >someone says or how they say it ranks right up there with Hitler, Stalin,
: >the Reverend Wilder, and other fascist pigs in my book.
: Do you even know what the Internet is? This kind of name calling is absurd. It
: simply disguises the point you are trying to make, as offends a lot of people.
You said that you didn't like the language that some people were using.
You said that such people should not be allowed to use the InterNet.
Therefore if people use words you don't like, they should be denied access?
I dunno, but that smacks of censorship...

: There will always be hackers. The nature of hacking is changing. In any case
: I do give the population a lot of credit. They have looked at what is available
: and made choices based on reasonable criteria. For the most part people are
Bzzzz!  Wrong answer.  They went with the company that had the most money to
give to the advertising dept/agency.

: >>>"I think therefor I Amiga"    -says it all, and the reversed is most true.
: >>>Seriously, your article says nothing.
: >>Then why bother replying?
: >To watch you squirm, maybe?
: Possibly, but I don't feel it happening.
Zen vee vill up zee voltage! =)

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:52:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan25.064052.3412@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: : Obviously, people do think it exists.  Obviously, enough people think
: : that it exists that a great majority of society knows what it is, and
: : has formed some kind of an opinion on it.
: Can you say vocal (liberal) minority?

That depends.  I'm not sure you know what you said.  Do you consider
yourself to be a vocal liberalist, in the minority?

For or against, more than just the liberal minority have an opinion on
whether they believe global warming exist or not.  A good deal of the
populace holds SOME kind of opinion.

So, no, I disagree.  Unless, like _YOU_ said, you're considering yourself to
be in that vocal, liberal minority, I would say you're wrong, that many more
than some are willing to admit feel one way or the other about global
warming.

Greg

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:16:13 GMT


On the same topic (kind of), is the colon the standard separator on the Mac?
I've used the MPW shell (too much for my liking) and the only volume/directory
separator it uses is ':' as in

	"Lost and Found:Characters:Missing:Slashes.c"

Strange, huh?

-- Gerald
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:13:08 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:

>How about "CD ..\..\.." ?

  Mea culpa...

>Then again, when DOS users want to do a lot of filesystem navigation, they
>tend to whip out their pirate copy of XTree.  :-)

  Hehe.

>No.  Pity we don't have all of Dan's favourite mega-games available for it,
>hard disk installable, so we can zoom about in our /games directory to our
>heart's content...

  Never was much of a vidiot gamer, so the lack of whatever's in vogue is
lost on me.  I do play chess a lot though, had hoped that ChessMaster 3000
would have made it over to the Amiga, ended up getting it for the PeeCee
here instead.

  -jack-
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:36:33 GMT


	Apparantly Microsoft has bypassed IBM and has become the largest 
retailer of computer products (RE: CNN last night).

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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:31:56 -0500
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eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

>BUT why is there no '.'?  I find myself cding to the destination directory, th
>including the full path in the copy command anyway, since there's no '.'.  (We
>I used to, now I use SKsh :)

  You really should *read* the DOS documentation you know...

  The "" sequence is used for the current directory, like copy ram:#? ""

  This may at first look strange, but it is the null string, which is the same
in essence as quoting a directory/filename that contains spaces.

  -jack-
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From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Organization: His Own Place
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:15:29 GMT

Dave Butcher wrote:

>Generally I don`t think there are enough difference between Falcon/AA Amigas/
>486`s/Macs for it to pay anyone to change machine.  Most people I know who
>use Amiga`s or Mac`s alot detest Windows after using it for a bit, and regular
>Windows users hate the Mac and the Amiga.  What you are used to counts for a >lot,

"Open Windows" is just fine with me, but I hate the Mac GUI and Windows,
they are stupid, actually they are so stupid it's hard to tell which
one is more stupid.

/Mattias

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