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From: ARLENJ@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: Dancing Do's and Don'ts
Date: 4 Apr 92 22:29:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


In article <1992Apr1.213303.26320@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> srg0913@
uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sharon Rosenburg) writes:

>Well it's approaching that time of the semester again...
>We are about to release a flock of new dancers out onto the
>dance floors of the nation.  OY VAY!

One of the aspects of folk-dancing I have always greatly enjoyed
is helping newcomers become more confident and more skillful
dancers.  Different people will have different difficulties, and
some folks are more agile than others.  But everyone should be
encouraged to participate...I was once stunned to hear a middle-
aged man snap loudly at some first-time dancers (college students
who were enthousiastic and trying hard to pick up the moves),
"if you don't know how to do it, get off the floor!"

Certainly, some things that new dancers (and rarely, older
dancers) do on the floor can be irritating (or at least
humorous)...such as the new dancer who jumps or runs when
swinging (ooooohhhhh boy!  :-), or the one who either locks
his/her arms into place or has absolutely no tension in them
whatsoever (spaghetti arms).  Such things can make dancing
awkward, no doubt.

But, inexperienced dancers aren't so much irritating as they are
humorous, and it takes a lot of courage to risk looking silly and
feeling awkward.  What is irritating, to me, are the experienced
dancers (sometimes not so experienced) who snap irritably at
newcomers when they make mistakes.  Even experienced dancers make
mistakes...or even miss a call while paying attention to something
else (heaven forbid!!! ;-).

Newcomers need patience.  If they are doing something wrong, I
usually tell them firmly what they need to change, but I smile,
laugh and try to give them encouragement too.  They usually
respond really well, and most people can pick the basics up very
quickly when shown how they are done.  It's exciting to watch a
new dancer's enthusiasm when they get comfortable with the
movements.

Certainly, there is the occasional person with two left feet who
seems to have no clue how to correct their difficulties....
sometimes a little confidence boost can at least make them
passable to the point that they don't interrupt the flow of the
dance.

I enjoy the movement, grace, physical contact, exercise,
sensuality, and social life of dancing!  The fun can be in the
simplicity of the dance OR the complexity of it.  The joy is in
the physical, intellectual, and spiritual nature of dancing
itself.  Why get too bogged down with irritation?

(Aside:  I am not implying in any way that you are either impatient
or intolerant with beginner's needs, Sharon (-; ....I just have
seen a few folks who were.)

Arlen Johnson
Univeristy of Maine at Fort Kent
Performing Arts
ARLENJ@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Subject: Re: NEFFA v NE Square Dance Convention
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:02:37 GMT
Summary: good housing deal available
Keywords: NEFFA, NE convention

>In article <1992Mar30.205336.9786@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar30.182711.19185@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes (in part):
>>>|> The NEFFA Festival is the major event produced by the New England Folk
>>>|> Festival Association, a non-profit educational organization incorporated
>>>|> in Massachusetts.  The upcoming Festival is the FORTY-EIGHTH annual Festival.
>>
>>Against my better judgement, I'll let it be known that Ken & I will be at the 
>>NE Convention (in Manchester, NH), so if anyone wants to try and find us to say
>>hi (or whatever) now you know.  BTW, we don't plan on being in the Challenge 
>>hall ALL the time so you might have to do some hunting...  ;-) 
>>(though rounds and challenge may be all I can handle unless things improve soon)
>>

I'm using this follow-up to oel's post to report on our housing deal for the NE 
Convention.  For once, we didn't request housing at the sites closest to the 
dancing in Manchester, but about 20-30 min. away in Nashua (where we have 
friends we plan to see while up there).  Well, the Housing Chairman called us 
over the weekend to tell us we were to be assigned to the Nashua Marriott (our 
1st choice) - and because so few dancers were requesting the place, the mgt was 
offering the "Two for Breakfast Weekend" deal for $59/night (the rate listed on 
the registration form was $70-something).  We recenyly stayed at the Marriott 
on this kind of deal and it's definitely worth it: nice breakfast buffet, gift 
shop discount, nice new hotel not far from Route 3.

If anyone from out-of-town is interested, contact Ken or me.

Helena Robinson
AT&T
Basking Ridge NJ
attmail!hrobinson

P.S. This account is about to disappear - don't use "r" to reply.  Try
attmail!clp3b2!htr first - if it bounces, contact Ken at rbnsn@sig.com
New account being established elsewhere - hopefully this week.
From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Kissing contras (was Re: contra-gypsies)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:34:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Andrew Tannenbaum) writes...
>Re Robin's notes about kissing contras, I agree totally.  If I want to
>kiss someone, I'll do it without caller prompting, thanks.  Rory O'More
>is the classic kissing contra, and if you can do it without chipping
>your teeth, I'd classify you as an expert.  How's that for criteria?
Unless something has changed since I lived in Ann Arbor, callers do not prompt
kissing; it is strictly optional and requires the consent of two mouths.  
"Rory O'Moore" is always announced by name so that people can partner up with
somebody they _want_ to kiss, if they're into that.

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: takoosma@utkvx1.utcc.utk.edu     Bitnet: takoosma@utkvx.utk.edu
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Etiquette Question
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:17:27 GMT

In article <TAMRES.92Apr8135819@ssdd475a.erim.org> tamres@ssdd475a.erim.org (Louise Tamres) writes:
>My major peeve
>is when people refer to "man's part" and "woman's part"....
>
>I now refer to this distinction as "lead" and "follow" parts.

Yoicks!  One of my pet peeves about gay WSD has to do with this...in an
attempt to eliminate some of the sexism, some of the clubs around here have
started to teach classes using lead and follow instead of man's part and
woman's part.  The problem being that "lead" already has a well-defined
meaning in WSD -- it is rarely used at Mainstream/Plus but not completely
unheard of.  (A lead is a person facing out of a formation, as opposed to a
trailer, who is looking into the formation.)  I saw a Plus floor completely
break down last year when Sandy Bryant called "Leads Trade".

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

POSIX should get on with it and standardize a decent select-like
interface, so that we don't have to hide useful functionality in
the closet like it was disreputable to associate with.	- Bob Scheifler
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: Making new dancers more comfortable (WSD but applies to others)
From: econrad@cs.wright.edu (Eric van Fossen Conrad)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:08:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wright State University

In article <70111@ut-emx.uucp> anita@ut-emx.uucp (Anita Cochran) writes:
>Someone posted about encouraging new dancers and someone else wrote
>about their first contra lessons and how encouragement helped.  Our
>caller is particularly good at putting new dancers at ease.  First of
>all, he warns the new dancers not to listen to hard badgers (experienced
>dancers who have graduated and have a "hard badge" with their club and
>name) since hard badgers can't dance if they have to think. [...]

When I have a nervous beginner for a partner in a contra, I tell her
that whatever happens, it's not her fault.  (I make it clear that
if the set is destroyed, it will be the fault of the experienced
dancers around her, me included.)  For a typical beginning or
intermediate contra dance, this is all the encouragement needed.  I
should also add that for beginning or intermediate contra dances,
an alert experienced dancer should have no difficulty at all getting
a complete beginner through the dance without destroying the contra
line.

--eric
-- 
-- Eric Conrad
This space for rent.
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: putnam@cis.ohio-state.edu (Chris Putnam)
Subject: Re: contra-gypsies
Originator: putnam@bucatina.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:02:42 GMT

In article <204884@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, UROBIN@UNC.BITNET writes:
|> One of the most interesting things about the responses to Tom Wills's
|> gypsy comments is that all 10 I've seen were from men.  What does that
|> mean?  And why do you supposes the move is called a gypsy, anyhow?
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Because Gypsies have a reputation for being passionately engaging
  but then picking up stakes and moving on -- romance for the pure
  fun of it, with no lasting commitment. (unadulterated adultery? :-)

I thought I sent this article to the newsgroup last week, but it
appears never to have made it.  Since I see the thread lives on, I'll
try again, especially since it was mentioned that there weren't (m)any
replies from women.

The gypsy has been one of my favorite moves from the first contra
dance I attended -- just a little over a year ago.  I find it to be
utterly playful: a wonderful license to flirt with absolutely no
strings attached.  I often feel like Shirley Temple playing the role
of Scarlett O'Hara.  It's such a kick to pretend in that way -- maybe
to compensate for how seriously I sometimes take myself when I'm off
the dancefloor.

Several of you have mentioned that callers instruct you to get really
steamy with a gypsy.  Perhaps I was set up to see it as only funloving
from the start because the person offering the beginners' instruction
at my first contra dance didn't take it seriously.  He introduced the
move by saying, in a very melodramatic voice, "Now this is the sexiest
move you'll find in contra dancing."  Most of us were total strangers
to the group, so we just giggled and went along with it.

I agree that it can be overdone.  Any of the contra moves are more
enjoyable to me when offered with lots of variation, and too much
repetition can take the fun out of the best moves.  For me, though,
eye contact enhances all the moves, whether with men or women.  Ladies
chain is such a nice opportunity to greet all the other women in the
line, rather than merely using the pull of her hand to get across
to the opposite man.  I'm glad to read that others find eye contact
to be an essential part of good contra dancing.

Step lively and keep a twinkle in your eye.

		Chris 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Re: can someone tell how much a yokota tudtuolumne is worth?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Apr 1992 11:30 EST  

In article <54886@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ae219fl@prism.gatech.EDU (TSUNG,FU-LIN) writes...
> Another question; can someone tell me why male bikes have a horizontal
>bar while the female bikes have a slanted bar. 

I'm guessing it started to allow us to ride in skirts. I can't imagine
anyone really doing any extended riding now in a skirt, so this doesn't
really apply. There also appears to have been an unwillingness on the
part of some manufacturers to make smaller sized bikes; to get standover
clearance they simply dropped the top tube. This isn't the right answer,
though; if the frame doesn't fit correctly, dropping the top tube
simply gives you a different shaped frame that *still* doesn't fit
correctly. 

There are now a substantial number of smaller frames on the market
compared to several years ago. At 5'0 I don't have a problem with
standover clearance on either my road bike or my mountain bike.

Get a bike that fits.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135

From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:35:55 GMT
Subject: Re: If you could have only one bike...
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu) writes:

> Last thing.  I still can't see the limitations of a mountain bike.  I can
> beat any of my friends on their road bikes, when I still have the knobbies
> on my mountain bike.  The only limitations I can see are a lack of strength
> to get a mountain bike moving fast, and mental blocks that make people think
> that mountain bikes are slow.

Although I might be pointing out the obvious, if you are riding faster
than your friends when you are on a mountain bike with knobby tires, and
they are on road bikes, then it is because you are a stronger rider
and not because the mountain bike is as fast as a road bike.  You would
be able to ride even faster on a road bike.  Your "lack of strength to
get a mountain bike moving fast" statement implies that you do understand
this: at the same effort level, the mountain bike will be slower than
the road bike.

If this was not so, then you would see world class riders using
mountain bikes in the TDF and Worlds.  Yet, they do not.

I ride both types of bikes, and I find that my road bike is a good
4 to 5 mph faster than my mountain bike.

   - steve
From: sa2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth E. Abrams)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:18:56 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

on a somewhat similar note.....................

How does one prevent the theft of bar ends????

Seth

BTW- They do sell seat locks.   It is a small cable that you wrap around
your seat and lock to the bike itself.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de (Kritt Gierlewsen)
Subject: Re: Light Bike Seats
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 15:41:36 GMT

budn@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Bud Noren) writes:

>I've been using a Flite saddle now for nearly a year.  Prior to that
>I'd always used a Selle Italia Turbo.  The shape of the Flite is, as
>nearly as I can see, congruent to the Turbo, but a bit smaller.  The
>narrower Flite saddle causes your weight to be supported on s slightly
>different part of your 'sit bones' (ischial tuberosities?).  It took
>a while to adjust to that and even now, after all this time, it does
>not feel quite as comfortable to me as the Turbo.  But it's close 
>enough.

I don't know anything about the Turbo but I'd like to add that it not only 
took me some time to get used to the Flite's slim shape (now that I *got* used
to it it's one of the main advantages, cause it gives you more space to
move your legs than any other saddle I know of).  When I took my first down 
hill ride with the Flite it almost knocked me out of the saddle because the 
titanium stays make it so flexy. Of course this was just *my* fault, cause I 
should have lifted my ass, anyway..

After a few months of riding the Flite, I think the flexing is just a bit too 
much, even if you don't go over very heavy bumps but off-road tracks where you 
usually don't ride in a standing position. 

But it's still the most beautyful saddle around !!  

Ciao,	Kritt
-- 
"If the system says PANIC this doesn't mean that YOU should." (abort at 04832)

                                                       kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de
Einoed Unix & Netzwerke. Koepenicker Str. 154, 1 Berlin 36. Tel: 611 3[1,2] 26
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.forsale,hsv.forsale
From: stjohn@b17d.ingr.com (Don StJohn)
Subject: KESTREL 200 EMS Bicycle for Sale
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:19:53 GMT

For Sale:  KESTREL 200 EMS, 56cm.

Will sell complete bike equipped with Dura-Ace/STI (some
components are negotiable) or frame only.

Additions to the family are forcing me to scale back my bicycling
activities, therefore I can no longer justify having a bike as
nice as the Kestrel 200 EMS.  My mileage this past year has
proven this to be true.  I purchased the bike 2/91 and I have
only ridden it about 700 miles.

See the April 1992 issue of "Bicycling" magazine for a review of
a Kestrel 200 EMS vs. Trek 5500.

Please reply or call for detailed specifications, frame
dimensions and pricing.

-- 
--

Don St. John   (205) 837-6015  Huntsville, AL
stjohndn@dsj.b17c.ingr.com
From: budn@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Bud Noren)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:26:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Bike&Ski at Tuckermans Ravine
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

bannan@convex.com (Bill Bannan) writes:

>up to it, however I have 3 questions that I need to have answered before
>I attempt this. One is, How bikable is the Tuckermans ravine trail?

>Suggestions, comments & ridicule are all welcome!

I have a hard time believing that the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC),
who maintains these trails, would allow mountain bikes on them
at all.  Go to a good outdoor outfitter shop and get the AMC White
mountain Guide.  It has good quality topo maps and trail descriptions.

-Bud
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Keywords: WBA
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.143213.8835@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
>>In article <ku15f5INNcd1@news.bbn.com> ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns) writes:
>>builders/truers are an elitist weirdo group if you ask me.  All that time
>>spent with a spoke wrench hunched over a wheel:  there's got to be something
>>wrong with them.  Maybe it's just jealousy.  I can't built a wheel if my life
>>depended on it.  The only times I've even attemped truing a wheel is when
>>the wheel is so bad I can feel it.
>
>Anyone who can't build & true a wheel just must be deficient...I built
>my first one a week or so ago & it took about an hour or so while
>watching tv to lace & rough-tension, then an hour the next evening to
>finish the rounding & truing.  Easy.  & I had a blast, too.  (Of
>course, I haven't ridden it yet, so I may be eating my words here
>pretty soon...:-)
>
>Oh, yeah, as for the "deficiency" claim -- I should admit that I can't
>saw a straight line with a table saw...so it's all in good fun!
>
>:-)
>-- 
><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
><>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
><> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
><>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>

Actually, I've never tried to build a wheel, and my truing attempts have
to be supplemented with the shop truing them.  But I can saw a straight
line :-) 

John Erhardt
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: goelz@clipper.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher k goelz)
Subject: Re: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.190931.18691@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:

>BTW, for those of you who aren't aware, weather is not determined by 
>cold fronts and warm fronts or any of that garbage that weather people
>on TV talk about, it is determined by what people WANT. The problem is
>that some people want to keep skiing as long as possible and others 
>want it to be warm, so you get a compromise, cold sleet, where no one
>is happy. OK, so everybody, start thinking WARM happy thoughts so we
>can get on with SPRING!!!!

Yes, the weather IS determined by what we want.  If we want it to be nice 
and warm for bicycling, it will be cold, and if we want snow to go skiing
on, it will be warm.  So let's get those skis waxed up and hope for snow,
so it will be plenty warm enough for cycling!!!!
From: mj@spitfire.UUCP (Mark Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RAGBRAI
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:44:12 GMT


Can someone post info or send me email about this year's dates
and route for RAGBRAI?

advTHANKSance

---
Mark Johnson  -  Eastman Kodak Company -  Rochester, NY
Internet: mj@sisd.kodak.com
UUCP: uunet!sisd!mj
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: c150-ay@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Clinchers
Keywords: 700x25, thanks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:16:38 GMT

Thanks to all replied to this request.  I can't wait to try some of your
suggestions.  Now if Colorado Cyclist had only given all the parts to the
Zefal Husky I ordered...


Albert Chi                         University of California
chi@ucsee.berkeley.edu             Roll on you Bears!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bm@cs.columbia.edu (Blair MacIntyre)
Subject: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:23:00 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Apr 92 19:34:00 GMT, tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall
>>>>> (Sverdrup)) said:

Dave> In article <9204071651.AA02999@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,
Dave> EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes...
>I'll be flying across country and want to take my MTB.  American
>Airlines is my carrier.  They quoted me a transportation price for the
>MTB of $45.00, each way.  There's got to be a cheaper way of doing this.
>I'd like to have the bike as soon as I arrive.  Any recommendations
>(UPS, Greyhound, etc.)?  Prices?
> 

Dave> You could try boxing up your MTB and mark it "BABY CRIB" or
Dave> whatever you have to, and present it at the check in counter. Use
Dave> lots of tape and string and etc.  to discourage them from opening
Dave> it to verify the contents. If you could use the cardboard from a
Dave> REAL baby crib (or whatever) it might work even better.

I actually discussed this over the phone with the Continental people.
My rationale was this:
- the dimensions and loaded weight of the Performance hard case are
  within their maximum size restrictions, so if I put the bike in that,
  why would there be a charge
- it would have been my only checked baggage!

The lady pointed out that since they charge extra for bikes, if the bike
was lost or damaged, she doubted they would pay (she did say this as a
personal thought, not as an employee.  I had asked her what she
unofficially thought after she gave me the official line).

So, if you are worried about your bike, that is something to consider.
--
Blair MacIntyre, bm@cs.columbia.edu
Professional Student, Department of Computer Science, Columbia University
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