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From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens)
Subject: System 7's Labels
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:03:11 GMT

Now that System 7 has been around for a while, most people are familiar
with the new features it introduced. One of these was the ability to assign
"Labels" to files. A quick survey around the office here indicates that few
people have made use of this. If your menu still reads "Essential Hot
InProgress Cool ..." you probably haven't done anything with them either. 

Is anyone out there using Labels? If so do you have any suggestions you'd
like to share with the rest of us?


Chris Ellens     /  My Canada includes: Every bitching, whining    /
ellens@bnr.ca    /  province, aboriginal, feminist, minority, and  /
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Partitioning btw sys6/sys7
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:45:03 PST
Organization: California State University, Fresno

For what it's worth I installed both sys6 and sys7 on my IIci and switched
between them with SystemSwitcher 1.1.  No partitioning was necessary.

I have found, however, that unless the app I'm working with is *very* old
switching to sys6 is really unecessary.  In fact when (if) I upgrade to 7.1
I will probably nuke all the sys6 stuff.

My $.02.

Marc.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Subject: Re: System 7.1, PageMaker, LaserWriter IIg Problem
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:06:25 GMT

In <de19-081192222135@mac19-pg2.umd.edu> de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery) writes:

>You don't describe your Hardware, perhaps it lacks color QD, and you forgot
>to include support for it when you gened 7.1?

Mac IIx.  It's not the computer's problem, and I found out that it isn't
PageMaker's problem.

Turns out that the same problem can be demonstrated simply from Finder
7.1. It has something to do with the new 7.2.1 LaserWriter driver. 
Here's how you can test it with your IIg (or perhaps any printer with
gray scaling ability -- you must have System 7.1 installed):

Set your screen to at least 8-bit color mode (256 colors), open a window
in the Finder that shows a bunch of the light-blue folder icons, then choose
Print Window from the File menu.  Make sure to check the Color/Gray scale
button in the print dialog.

Tell me if you don't get a page with odd-shaded folder icons (quilting or
cross-hatching anomalies).  Tell me (and Apple) if you do.
From: nicky@fdn.org (Jean-Philippe NICAISE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Looking for German System 6.0.8
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:08:10 MET
Organization: FDN  - French Data Network - Paris, France
Reply-To: nicky@fdn.org
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <wilhelm-091192192903@mac109.ae.ge.com> (comp.sys.mac.system), wilhelm@mcst.ae.ge.com (Roland Wilhelm) writes:
| German 7.0 is all I've been able to find too.  There is a Z-6.0.7 in the
| /intl directory, but the only difference I can see is that "Color" is
| spelled "Colour" -- not exactly what I wanted.  Sigh.  Thanks for all the
| responses!
| 
|        Roland Wilhelm

Well, as far as I know, there is no international version for system
6.0.8. This system only exists in the USA.

If you want to make one by yourself, it's easy: take a system 6.0.7
and replace the LaserWriter stuff with the system 7 ones (a good idea
would be to take version 7.1.1 of LaserWriter since earlier versions
caused troubles with LaserWriter +) and that's it !

In fact, 6.0.8 = 6.0.7 + System 7 LaserWriter drivers, in order to
have system 6 and system 7 Macs on the same network.

Hope this helps,
== nicky.

                  Jean-Philippe Nicaise   |   e-mail: nicky@fdn.org
              French Data Network Board   |         : nicky@etca.fr
                          Paris, France   |   fax: (33-1) 43.57.30.97
From: jdunning@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (John Alan Dunning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: The real reason Apple is now charging for system software
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:46:44 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <FISCHER.92Oct25072503@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>>>>>> "Julian" == Julian Vrieslander (eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU)
>Julian> Their claim that these charges are necessary to improve the
>Julian> availability of the software sounds like a smokescreen.
>
>It's nonsense, of course. Charging for it will make people reluctant
>to upgrade -- is it really worth the money, etc. -- and so will mean
>that developers will have to pay more attention to old system versions
>floating around.
>
>It's obvious it would make life simpler for everybody if there was
>only one or a few system versions in use at a time. Charging for
>upgrades is not going to help achieve that.
>
>/Lars
>--
>Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
>CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin

What I heard when I interned at Apple this summer was that they found
that most people, meaning those without access to the Internet, had a
hard time getting access to software upgrades.  So a lot of people
were using older versions of system software, which is a hassle for
developers who have to answer questions from people who are trying to
run Word 5.0 with System 5.

Basically, everyone has access to a phone, and therefore a mail order
software house.  Comparatively few people have access to networks
where they can get free system upgrades.  So if the upgrades are sold
through software places, most users will at least have easy access to
them, even if they have to pay.  Supposedly some mail order places
were even selling the System 7 upgrade package at below cost, because if
they made the upgrade cheap, they could then get you to also buy the
latest version of software packages which require S7.

Of course, it's annoying that they don't also provide the upgrades
through the network channels everyone here has used, since the lost
revenue would be rather small.  Anyway, as other people in this thread
have mentioned, Apple's only doing what other software companies have always
done: charge money for their products.  And Apple really wants to
become a software company.  As hardware becomes more and more of a
commodity, it will become increasingly difficult to make any money
except by selling huge numbers of machines.  The recent round of price
cuts in the PC clone world is an example of this.  Software is really
what distinguishes different computer systems and Apple is hoping to
shift their business more to the software side so they don't get
burned in hardware price wars.

John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Glenn Henshaw <thraxisp@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: HUGE disks and minimum file size
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:46:20 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:48:33 GMT

In article <bruce-b-061192140954@130.216.34.254> Bruce Benson,
bruce-b@cs.aukuni.ac.nz writes:
>Out of curiosity we connected a 2GigaByte Seagate (ST42400N) drive which is
>destined to be used on a DecStation to a Quadra 700.
>
>When the file system was built on it it gave us a minimum file size of
>32kb. This had the effect of trippling the amount of space needed to hold
>the contents of an 80M drive on the same machine.
>
>We found that by partitioning the drive into smaller segments the minimum
>file size also got smaller. Eg
>Is there anything which can be done to fix this???

  You might try partitioning the drive into smaller volumes. I've used
SilverLining to make all of the partitions less than 100k, keeping
the minimum file size on any volume down. Several volumes also allows me to 
mount what I need and keep the number of files per disk down (historically,
a lot of files slowed down the display of directories, and required the 
Desktop Manager).

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From: lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Sys7 bug? Missed Mouse UpClicks??
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:52:05 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: General Electric R&D

In article <1992Nov6.153505.4777@analog.com>, @analog.com (Hans Rempel)
wrote:
> 
> I am having a fluky problem in System 7.0 and 7.01 on my Mac IIsi. When mousing around on the esktop, moving icons, etc., the "up-click" signal from the mouse is missed by the mahine (orfirmware/software). I have heard that Sys 7 handles the up-click signal differently than sys 6; has anyone heard of this as a bug or experienced a similar problem.

Happens all the time on my IIsi at work. I suspect it's in the same
category as the "disappearing sound" problem: something we've got to live
with.

But after using a IIsi for over a year, I'd never buy or recommend one. Too
many quirks and sporadic flakiness to rely on it totally. Thank goodness
I've got access to other, more reliable, Macs.

Oh, and I think Apple might feel the same way. The IIsi is definitely on
the endangered list (yeah!).

- Lorne

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Partitioning btw sys6/sys7
From: ggale@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:49:49 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Does Partitioning sys7/sys 6 work? I've got a new IIsi on order. I was thinking
about partitioning it between sys6 and sys7, and using "system picker" or 
whatever to switch beteen them. I haven't a clue whether or not this is a reas
onable thing to do. It would certainly make my decision easier is any of you
who have tried it would let me know whether it's a good idea. I'd appreciate
that a bunch. Thanks in advance. George Gale IN%"ggale@vax1.umkc.edu"

r s s/6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: agharkar@harpsichord.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ashutosh Agharkar)
Subject: How to write a script for the Mac?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:28:47 GMT


Hi,
     I am new to the Macintosh environment and have run up against a problem
     that I can't seem to get a handle on. Any suggestions or pointers to
     more appropriate newsgroups to post on (if this one is inappropriate)
     would be appreciated -


     I am interested in writing a script for the Mac that does an ftp to an
     anonymous account on a remote system (running Unix), changes directory
     to the appropriate directory, and gets/puts a given file in that place.

     What ftp application do I need? Can I write a script to do this?

     thanx,


-Ashutosh
From: John.Seeger@p931.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John Seeger)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: MAC TCP DNR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:52:08 -0500

  as> Does anyone know what is the significance of the "Mac TCP DNR" file?
  as> This is a file that is used by the Mac TCP Control Panel. I would

I believe if you delete the file MAC TCP will simply recreate it on restart..  I
don't remember what's in it but I think configuration type stuff...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: nerm@apple.com (Dean Yu)
Subject: Re: Fonts and System 7.1
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:48:20 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <184146@pyramid.pyramid.com>, bms@pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok, so I've received my System 7.1 upgrade, and ATM 3.0.  Last night I
> installed them on my PB140.  Originally I had moved my Finder aside
> and renamed my old System Folder, but during the install I noticed that
> the installer wanted to look at my System file (not there) to find
> Fonts and Sounds.  So I made a copy of my System file, placed it in
> a new System Folder, and restarted the install.  So far so good.
> 
> The install completed and all my fonts are in the Font folder.
> I noticed that the TrueType fonts were in suitcases with their
> respective bitmap fonts.  Should the Postscript fonts go in the
> suitcase as well?
> 

  PostScript fonts can't be put into suitcases.  About a year ago, when 7.1
was in the design phase, a bunch of us were talking about how nice it would
be if the user only had to deal with one icon that contained all possible
information for a particular font face.  This "font box" (which eventually
degenerated into "frog box") would contain bitmap, TrueType, and PostScript
information for a particular font.  Unfortunately, it didn't take us long
to realize that this couldn't be done in time for 7.1.  Oh well...

> I was able to print just fine with my Postscript fonts in the font
> folder.  However, one of the Postscript font files had the same name
> as the matching suitcase with the bitmap fonts, so I renamed the Postscript
> font file.  Will this work?
> 

  No, this won't work.  PostScript files have to have a certain name, which
is based upon the full name of the font face.  You should rename your
suitcase instead.

-- Dean Yu
   Blue Meanie, Negative Ethnic Role Model, etc.
   Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: thewho@plume.mit.edu (Derek Fong)
Subject: Help!  Software needed to monitor printer usage (page count)
Organization: CMPO at MIT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:44:45 GMT



I have an HP Deskwriter and was wondering if there was any freeware/shareware
out there that can help me keep track of what I send to the printer.  The
reason I want this thing is to count the number of pages I have printed so I 
have an idea of when my ink cartridge will run out.  Since I use different
kinds of paper, it is difficult to get a good count of how much I have printed.
Yes...I can have an extra cartridge lying around all of the time, but I would
prefer some software to log my printer usage.

Any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

--Derek



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From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: The real reason Apple is now charging for system software
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:48:46 GMT
	<1992Nov9.015817.23260@smsc.sony.com>
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:
> While I'm not a fan of Apple's new policy, the above isn't really
> fair.
> 
> First, Apple gives you System software with new machines.
> 
> Second, when you want to upgrade your Windows and DOS on your Gateway
> 2000, you will have to pay for it (not full price, but not free,
> either) and you may have to wait.  Windows 3.1 was released on April 6
> of this year; I got my upgrade from Gateway 2000 in July (5.25"
> floppies, so no shortage excuses).
> 
> The other free software is a pretty new policy for Gateway 2000 (it
> started in March of this year).
> 
> Also, doesn't Apple include free CD's with the new machines with CD-ROM
> drives?  Doesn't that qualify as software?

the gateway comes with system software, so does the mac
you have to pay to upgrade both
they both come with free software (though the pc comes with more and,
some may argue, more usefull software, in that you have a choice about
what you get and such)

so you pretty much get the same hardware/software packaging/cost
arrangement with both except that the mac costs a lot more
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: Looking for German System 6.0.8
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 5 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.040947.11655@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, reriksso@klaava.Helsinki.FI (era eriksson) writes...
>In article <1992Nov8.204658.7431@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
> > Well, try ftp.apple.com, pathname dts/mas/sys.soft.intl/german for any 
> > recent system software. Ther should be at least 6.0.7 (which is 6.0.8

>There's a README or something in the dts directory which requests people
>from out of the US _not_ to download anything. I don't know what it's
>there for but you should at least know that Apple might not be too fond
>of having people download from there. 

>(Let's say I know someone from over here who _has_ ftp:ed stuff from the
>dts directory and not yet been zapped by lightning...) 

>Can anybody tell me the reason for the request? 

The Apple ftp server is mirrored in Europe.
I checked for 6.0.8 German in ...../dt./mac/sys.soft.inl : I could only fin
System 7 German.

  bric-a-brac.apple.com (130.43.2.3)  /dts/mac/sys.soft

  quepasa.cs.tu-berlin.de (130.149.17.7) 
                           /pub/mac/mirrors/apple/dts/mac/sys.soft

>/* era */

>era eriksson      .ObQuote: <none>    .ObDiscl: I rarely know what I'm doing

  Happy hacking

alex@dt.uh.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rob@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert K Shull)
Subject: Re: PAUSEING IN SYSTEM 7.1 OPERATIONS.......HELP!!!!
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:28:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Mike Goodglick <mikey@nrc.com> writes:

>I went through the pain of "upgrading" to System 7.1 on my Powerbook 170
>& here are the "features" that I get:

Pain? It was about three mouse clicks and five disk swaps for me.

>1. REALLY annoying pausing that only gets past it when I click the
>mouse...

I haven't seen this (on my IIsi). Sounds like an INIT conflict, maybe?

>2. Access PC no long works....now if have to "upgrade" to Access PC 2.0.

Not surprised. INITs are traditionally "system breakers" since they
frequently make use of undocumented, unsupported, and highly
questionable methods to do whatever it is they do. Hardly Apple's
fault. Hint: There are a number of other 'dos mounter' type packages
out there that work with 7.1.

>3. MacTCP no longer functions the right way & I have to "upgrade" to
>1.1.1.

THIS is a legitimate gripe. It's not good that Apple broke their own
software. Although it IS good that they had MacTCP 1.1.1 at our
University before System 7.1 came out.

>Please somebody out there, tell me that I am not alone with these
>gripes...Apple is starting to piss me off.  No wonder so many people
>stick with IBM's ...(please no damn flame wars starting here they all
>start & end the same way....getting nowhere).

Not a flame, just a comment... :-)
Have you actually WORKED with IBM's? We spend something like $30,000
per year on upgrade contracts for MSDOS software, for less than 100
machines.  Shoot, we spend something like $2500 per year just for
anti-virus software for the things, and another $2500 per year just
for network software. (Unlike many individuals, we have to remain legal).
BTW, this is not restricted to DOS machines. EVERY platform has ongoing
costs, unless you want to remain 'static'.

>Before I do something crazy...(like buy an IBM) somebody help me...tell
>me if there is any way to get past these problems (other than going back
>to System 7.0.x, which I have considered.)...I sure as hell do not want
>to spend any more money on software "upgrades".

Why do you need System 7.1? Why do you need upgrades? What was wrong with
the setup you had before? Did it work? Did it do what you wanted? And,
above all, what makes you think it's going to be better if you buy an
IBM? If you must have the latest, you're going to pay for it, on EVERY
platform.

	Robert
-- 
Robert K. Shull, Sr. Applications Programmer, Engineering Computer Network
rob@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
Disclaimer: OU can't afford opinions, so these must be mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: Suitcase II 1.2.12 and Sys 7.1
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:21:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.132945.20596@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> achernar@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Brono Gatea) writes:
>By now it is known that Suitcase II is incompatible with System 7.1. Is an
>upgrade in the works (a free upgrade that is)?
>

The next upgrade for Suitcase II is Suitcase v.2.1.2 (the newest version)
It's not free going from Suitcase II to Suitcase, but I think earlier
versions of Suitcase (v 1.x) might get a break...

Hope this helps!

Jay (=
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8L (?)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:39:15 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


Larry Slack <LAS1@Cornell.EDU> writes:

> Where can I get system 6.0.8L (I think the L is correct)?  I read
> something about it in MacWeek, and to the best of my recollection, yer'
> honor:  This version was supposedly available in Canada but not in the
> US, and could be used on the PB 100.  I poked around a bit on
> FTP.Apple.Com with no success.  We have a utility that won't run under
> sys 7, but will under 6 and I'd like to try 6.0.8L on a PB100.

As a point of reference, I installed 6.0.7 on my PB100 and it seems
to work fine. I've heard that others have been unable to run System 6
on a PB 100, but I don't know what their difficulty is.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Simon_Kok@mindlink.bc.ca (Simon Kok)
Subject: Re: How to share an Imagewriter under 7.x
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:48:32 GMT

Hi there Mike.  There are a couple of ways for you to share your ImageWriter
printer over a LocalTalk network.

1)  Installing an AppleTalk network card into your ImageWriter II printer,
    connecting it to the network with another PhoneNet connector and use
    Apple's ImageWriter II-AppleTalk driver (included with System 7).

2)  Use a utility that will share your printer over the network via modem
    port like 'ShadowWriters v2.0f' from Gizmo Technologies.

3)  Wait until Apple releases some new ImageWriter II printer drivers which
    will support networking WITHOUT the need of an AppleTalk card installed.

Hope this helps.

If you have any more questions, or need any clarifications, please feel free
to contact me and I'll do my best to help!

Cheers!

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