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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: info. on the gamma quandr
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:43:41 GMT
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>>The only other reference to Gamma Quandrant I've heard of is the beginning
>>of STII:TWOK the "Enterprise" bridge simulator was in Gamma Hydrant.

That's Gamma *Hydra*.

The only star in the constellation Hydrant is called "Fire."
From: rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:30:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <cogar-120193083836@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil>, cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar) writes:
> 1. How did a Trill get into Starfleet?  A 200 yr old LT?  I don't know
> about that.  How did it pass transporter class at the academy? (The
> question of the transporter and the Trill has been discussed.)

Presumably a mid-life career change.  Or maybe the Trill have only recently
been contacted (which makes sense, given comments about little being known
about the Trill in "The Host"), so Dax COULDN'T have joined Starfleet earlier
than a few years ago.

As to "transporter class," there's no mention of such a thing in any Trek
episode of which I'm aware, except for an engineering theory course mentioned
in "Realm of Fear."  What's more, Barclay explicitly stated in "Realm of Fear"
that he'd never been through a transporter before, so presumably there's no
Starfleet regulation that cadets or officers have to be transported on any
occasion.

					--Rod Smith
					  RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Am I the only person who DIDN'T like DSN??
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:35:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
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Summary: Probably

In article <10328.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)  writes:
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>If DS9 is supposed to be dramatic over TNG's blandness, I'll take the
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>When the show opened at Wolf 359 and Sisko's ship blew as they escaped,
>DS9 got my attention.  Soon after, it faded.  The Bajoran female needs
>severe acting lessons: in her opening scene she was banging the table
>to show how "tough" she was supposed to be.  All it struck me as was
>gross over-acting.

Funny. Strikes me as nice characterization.  Must be too used to the bland
acting on TNG.




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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Repeat of Relics was edited
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:04:16 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <73049@cup.portal.com> BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn) writes:
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<>In case you didn't notice, the recent airing of Relics was edited, in order
<>to add another 30 second DS9 promo.  Because I failed to start a tape soon
<>enough (I didn't need Relics, but remembered the possibility of another promo)
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<     Don't assume that all stations carrying ST:TNG are also carrying
<     ST:DS9. In Colorado Springs, it is two different stations.
<     Obviously, we had no 30 second DS9 promo in our Relics broadcast.
<     In fact, here we have had very little DS9 advertising at all.

You didn't see the DS9 promo on your TNG station because they removed it.
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From: mstudent@bnr.ca (Kevin Dunn)
Subject: Re: DS9 uniforms
Reply-To: mstudent@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:43:50 GMT

In article <cary.726378601@digex>, cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan) writes:
|> The DS9 uniforms are different because they are base personnel so as to
|> distinguish them from starship (line) personnel.  A good idea, but it was
|> silly to have OBrien changing back and forth like Clark Kent esp. as he
|> was no longer assigned to the E but rather to DS9.
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They probably filmed the enterprise scenes on the days that ST:TNG was filming. The continuity officer was asleep at the time.

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From: svanegmo@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Re: Trek review mailing list?
Keywords: mailing list Star Trek
Replies-To: gjhurlbut@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:42:14 GMT

I'm all for the idea.  Mailing lists are FAR easier on bandwidth than newsgroups. Besides, I have to remotely log into a friend's account to read news.  For myself and others like me, a mailing list would be by far preferable.

Gavin Hurlbut
gjhurlbut@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca

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From: zweers@csd.uwo.ca (Erik Zweers)
Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:00:19 GMT

In article <21161@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez033589@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>right up to the present (TNG/DS9) as a defense against all cloaked
>>adversaries, not just ones that can fire while cloaked?  Which leads
>>to yet another question: If the one warbird that could fire while
>>cloaked that the Klingons had produced was destroyed by this
>>nearly-believable photon, is it feasible to believe the Klingons did
>>not have the capability to make more?  Which leads to a third question:

	One question for all you netters.  If you all remember the show from
	TOS where The brave crew of the E. have to capture a romulan cloaking
	device from an enemy ship  (the one where Kirk is surgically altered
	to appear as a romulan.)  Why is it that the federation has never
	used this technology.  Why not simply have a cloaking device on every
	ship, just in case.

	As far as the above quoted post (refering to the prototype warbird),
	it might be that the project was extremely secret (as next to no one
	knew).  This is plausible, consider the fact the the Klingon's leader
	did not know of this ship (unless he was bringing this ship along for
	the heck of it).  Anyways my point is that the people who developed
	the ship might have been killed when the ship was destroyed.

						Erik.
From: chan4@husc11.harvard.edu (Derek Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deep Space 9 - Boston area- anybody know what channel and when?
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:31:57 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Does anybody know what channel and at what time the premiere and series of
DS9 will air in the Boston, MA area?

Thanks!
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From: Kevin.Karmann@bridge.omahug.org (Kevin Karmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 or DSN?
Date: 05 Jan 93 15:57:06 CST
Reply-To: kevin.karmann@bridge.omahug.org
Organization: The Bridge, Bellevue, Ne
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

> Well, I think after all of the promos for DSN, that it is DSN and n
> DS9...So far, I've seen it as STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE...I think 
> better that way than the number, IMO. 
 
Hmmm...then why did Micael Piller's cap (seen on the QVC Deep Space 
Nine special) say DS9 -- a pattern he said was made by Berman?   

I use the terms interchangably, myself.  It's whatever I feel like 
typing at the time.  (Although I do think DS9 is a more recognizable 
abbreviation that DSN....)
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Looking For Complete List of TNG Episodes
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:14:14 GMT

Hello,

I would like to get an updated list of all the episodes of TNG.  It would be
especially interesting if the list included a summary description of the
story line, main characters, and a rating (from a compendium of one or more
sources.)

Which episode is considered by most TNG devotees to be the best?

Thanks.

Jon Noring


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From: Kevin.Karmann@bridge.omahug.org (Kevin Karmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker being a Jerk...
Date: 05 Jan 93 15:18:27 CST
Reply-To: kevin.karmann@bridge.omahug.org
Organization: The Bridge, Bellevue, Ne
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

> You can imagine him standing there while the Admiral asks, "Well, 
> why *don't* you have a contingency plan, Captain?" 
 
How do we know he *didn't* have specific orders that prohibited any 
rescue attempt of Picard?  It seems to me in the scene at the end of 
Part I of "Chain of Command," the Admiral and Jellico are acting as if 
Picard (and the whole team) are lost, they're lost.  
 
In fact, it could be that Jellico was "loosely interpretting" his 
orders when he did what he did to free Picard.  
 
> When you get to the rank of Captain, you're expected to show a litt
> initiative and be capable of anticipating what your superiors might
> ask for. 
 
I think, in this case, his (and Picard's) superiors were very clear 
what they wanted.  First of all, they assigned Picard to a *suicide* 
mission (that is, a mission that he's unlikely to return from).  That 
implies that if they don't get him back, that's officially it for 
Picard.  Then, they gave Jellico command of the Enterprise and even 
had a formal ceremony for it -- a ceremony that, when it usually 
occurs, is permanent.  As always, they wanted to avoid war if at all 
possible.  Under those circumstances, Jellico had very little in the 
area of alternatives.  
 
And what alternate plans *could* he have made?  Send Riker in there 
and him and his team be captured and tortured with Picard?  (I'm sure 
Picard was tightly guarded -- a shuttlefull of people might even be 
expected...)  He could have gone in the Cardassian space with phasers
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firing, but I don't think that would have accomplished much, other 
than the actual destruction of the Enterprise.  I don't see much else 
that Jellico *alone* could do.  Anything else would require the help 
of Starfleet.
From: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: More on DS9:  *Spoilers*
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo

Spoilers follow:



OK, I liked it. It definitely shows more promise than STTNG. The
characters are far more interesting and the show has attitude, but
there were a number of things I had problems with:

    Bringing the station to the brink of destruction in the last five
    minutes of the show and then miraculously saving it at the very
    last second. I've had quite enough of this from STTNG thank you.

    It made little sense for the Cardasians to attack the station anyway,
    they certainly would have known that the station didn't have the
    power to destroy their first ship completely without a trace, and
    if it somehow did have such power that would be all the more
    reason not to attack. And why exactly did they abandon the station
    in the first place?

    If the orb people don't experience time in a linear fashion, then
    why didn't they always know about their encounter with Sisko and
    that they were going to end up being buddy-buddy with him? Or
    did they and were they just playing some game with him? Why did
    they finally decide that us poor linear beings aren't such a
    problem afterall? And what was the purpose of the orbs anyway?

    Is there some rule that says the lead character must have a
    great big deep voice and emote and ennunciate like a classical
    stage actor? I am quite sick of that.

    I am a little wary of what they are going to do with Odo's
    abilities. What's the name of a magical plot device that makes
    it to easy too get out of any situation? But then that's
    Star Trek's trademark isn't it.

I do like the change in O'brian by the way. He always acted like
such a wimp on the big E. The change in his speaking voice is an
improvement though, funny he seemed to go back to his old way of
speaking for the few minutes he went back to the Enterprise.

There were also lots of other things to like about the show but
they've pretty well been covered in other postings.
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From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: DS9: Theme song
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 01:15:44 GMT

Since "Deep Space Nine" lacks a voice over or a theme sone, I have a
suggestion:

(To the music of "Guilligan's Island", first season.)

The first officer was a might fighting woman
The Captain brave and sure.
Five crewmembers set sail that day
on a two-hour premier... a two-hour premier.

	(Sounds of Cardassians attacking station: rumble rumble.)

The Kardasians started getting rough.
The tiny station was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
The station would be lost... the station would be lost.

The station set "ground" on the shore of this uncharted wormhole
With Kira.
The Commander too.
O'Brien and his wife.
The Ferrengi.
And the rest
Are here on "Deep Space Nine".
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From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: STTNG Best Episode Survey... READ THIS
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:38:47 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

OK, I have seen a lot of discussion about the best episode of STTNG lately.
I have been thinking about doing this for a while and now I'm finally 
going to do it....
 
I am conducting a survey to find the best episodes of Star Trek:The Next  
Generation. Please read the following rules:    

1.> Please email all ballots to ME.. Do not post to newsgroup as it might
    influence some decisions. I will post full results when I'm done.
    My email address is for the record: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu

2.> This survey includes all episodes Season 1 through Season 5 plus
    Season 6 up to Chain of Command.

3.> Please consider two part episodes as one. Do not list The Best of Both
    Worlds Part 1 and 2 seperatly for example.

4.> Ballot form: Please list IN ORDER your five favorite episodes. I will
    use a point scale of 5 points for a 1st place vote, 4 for a second
    and so on down to 1 point for a fifth place vote. 

5.> Ballots must be received by Saturday January 23rd. Results will be
    posted within 2 days of that.

I hope that I can help find the "Best of the Best" for STTNG.

J. Michael Clark
Ohio University
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN first episode <Spoilers>
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:36:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1iclnqINNcvc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
]

]I liked it enough to watch it again.
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]Did anyone think the scene in the wormhole with Cmdr. Sisko was just a tad
]too long?  The effect of the conversation being carried out by all those
]different people was interesting, but I thought it was too long.

A little bit long. But okay otherwise.
 
]Does ANYONE ever get a DAY to surrender? ;)

Well, she had to try....
 
]The opening scene made me a bit sea-sick, as the screen was bouncing around
]during the Borg attack.

Actually, I was wondering where the Mobile Suits were. Then I remembered
that it was Star Trek, not anime. I thought it was a very good job by
the sfx people, though I doubt they will have the budget to do anything
as complex as that for awhile. There *was* a Galaxy-class ship in that 
battle; I swear I saw one at least. Don't have a VCR so I can't use the 
rewind function. <sigh>

I wonder if the ship that Sisko was on at Wolf 359 (?) was the same
Saratoga from STIV:TVH. It looks similar to the Saratoga that ran into the
probe from ST:IV. Maybe it was still in service?
 
]I like the security officer this time.  I think he'll have a bit more success
]than Worf (When the ultra-powerful aliens try to beat him up, he can just 
]melt!) ;)
 
Or just engulf their heads/appropiate breathing passage <evil grin>
 
]Best line:  "I love a woman in uniform!" <Quark the Ferengi>

"Raise Shields"
"What Shields?!"
 
]Mike
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From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:34:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.045020.10309@sol.UVic.CA> pedersen@uvphys.phys.uvic.ca writes:
[....]
>They have transported through shields in the TNG episode with the renegade
>starship in Cardasian territory.  I can't remember the details exactly, but
>I seem to recall that O'Brien knew the sheild frequencies, and was able to
>modulate the transporter to allow himself to be beamed over.  If Scotty and
>Geordie sent the frequencies to the E (offscreen), then there is no problem.

However..if my memory serves me correctly, in the ST-TNG episode "rascals",
the Ferengi were able to board the Enterprise only after disabling her shields.
Without shield protection...any starship is vulnerable to be boarded by enemy
parties during a battle engagement. (At least that was the consistency followed
by Star Fleet Tech Manuals...leave it to regular Hollywood screen writers
to throw all Star Trek technology on its head).

Also..remember in the 1966 episode "Errand of Mercy"..Spock and Kirk could not
be beamed up to the ship because the Enterprise had her shields up against a
Klingon attack.

Another example can be seen in the ST-TNG espiode a Galandan Core (?) where
the Romulan commander Tamalak (?) had his weapons pointed at the Enterprise.
Picard could not beam up Leforge from the planet while his shields were still
up.

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From: Adam.Costello <Adam.Costello@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: DS9: lack of light
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 08:44:05 GMT

In <C0DCHr.CM8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:

>	Best Part: The entire atmosphere of non perkiness and light...

In my opinion, that was the worst part.  I guess it's just a pet peeve
of mine, but I can't stand being in a dark room (unless I'm trying to
sleep) and I don't like watching people in dark rooms on TV either.  I
think Sisco should make lighting top priority, even before repairing the
replicators! :)  I hold no hope of this ever happening, though.

AMC
From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: This Deep Space thingy
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:59:30 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

I started reading r.a.s.c today and there were 450 articles, this being
a newsgroup on Star Trek I was somewhat amazed to find that nearly 200 of
these articles were actually about Deep Space Nine, this is a program
that we in England are unlikely to ever see; sadly the BBC has a
strict policy of dropping any program that gets too popular, and as a
spin off of an already dropped successful program they'd never risk it.

Anyway, not that I mean to moan or anything, but maybe its time that another
news group was created to handle this topic?  At the moment I have
about 10 variations on Deep Space Nine, DS9, DS Nine etc etc in my kill
file, but even so at least a couple of dozen articles about this
program leak through and its not always obvious that they are talking
about DS9 - just a little bit confusing....

It wouldn't be too bad, but the machine that I read the news on is a
little slow and having to wait three or four mins while it runs the kill
file is a little bit annoying...

Mark
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:50:49 GMT



00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:

 >> But, if it's so "settled", then WHY isn't the show called "Deep Space 9"??

 >Probably because it's soon to be rival is called "Babylon 5"... 

Right, that's what I said...


Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 >Well, in the premiere episode, the station is hailed at one point as DS9.
 >Seems to me that's the "canon" abbreviation. :-)

Yep.  "D. S. Nine" is the station.  (I said that too :)
That is a 100% logical thing to call it during radio comms.

To me at least, it's also 100% logical to call the *show* DSN.
From: sl3nf@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Previous post subj:  Star trek is dying.
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:50:44 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	Sorry about that.