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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: List wars
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:52:45 GMT


In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>*** Resending note of 08/20/92 21:31
>To:           DON MOORE <DBFABAK@CFRVM.BITNET>
>
>>This is a common problem among those old enough to have been raised on
>>manual typewriters and teletypes....  That old sledge hammer technique
>>does lighten up in time, but it never really goes away.  Of course, you
>Ruth, honey chile, I was typing on electric keyboards before you were born!
	Ahhh, but you started on manuals.  You must have; they didn't even
*have* electrics until after WWII.:-)  I've only been using electric 
machines since my senior year of high school, and then not very often.  This
"chile" went straight from manuals to computers.:-)
>This things are just plain junk ...no not even fancy junk.
	So junk it and yell at the manufacturer.  A pen and paper beats a
nonfunctioning keyboard.:-)  

>Hope I wake up in time to go home by noon.
Now why would you want to do that?  Go home at noon?  If you're going home 
that early, why not just take the entire day, and not have to wake up at
all? <insert cat imitation here>

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:35:34 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Weird stuff

>it looks like you sent a mail message to listserv rather than to
>words-l; it didn't match any of the commands listserv recognized and
>so it sent the beginning of the mesage back to you.
>
>Elaine, who knows more about listserv than she ought ...

Thanks for the try, Elaine--the problem is that I did *not* send
it to Listserv--but it ended up in the basket anyway.  That's
what's weird.  And it keeps kicking back more copies of the
reject--though not recently.  The original *did* get through,
btw, as evidenced by your having read it.

-Mka
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Have a great week-end!

The subject says it all!  Leaving now, with NOMAIL set, as hope not to
see a PC until Monday.  Bye.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:00:33 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIQR13
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> Oh shit - was it entertaining? - i saw three screensful of one paragraph

Yes, but he shot his credibility when he got to the part about beagles.
Bernard doesn't believe a word of it.  He is refusing to respond to the
part about hearing barking beagles from a plane.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:58:28 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: WHY WAS GIGGLES IN THE BUSHES?? (was Re: Clambake Pictures)
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: 2)  This is not surprising, everyone was staying as far away from me
: as possible don't think I didn't notice...

Brad wasn't!  He was being real buddy-buddy with you most of the
time as I remember.

G
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:09:18 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Aren't we discussing politics?
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>Please explain.

I can't quite explain it...something to do with...I don't know exactly..

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:40:55 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Geeks
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  According to webster, "geek" used to have a rather specific meaning:

geek \'ge^-k\ n
[prob. fr. E dial. geek, geck fool, fr. LG geck, fr. MLG]
(ca. 1942)
:a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usu. includes
     biting the head off a live chicken or snake


Computer geeks, perhaps, bite the header off a live e-mail message.
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:02:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Doris Smith <dorisann@tenet.edu>
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Good evening to you all
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On Sat, 15 Aug 1992, Karen Kay wrote:

> Do the students *respond* to this greeting, or merely treat it as
> tribute to their importance?

Usually they do. Actually, it is a positive PR thingie that we have been
asked to do in order to make the student feel welcome. BTW we've also been
asked NOT to say "But I don't have any more room for more students, they
are already sitting on each others' laps. Go to the counselors and tell
them they are out of their gourds....." when the 52nd kid enters the room
and you have only 28 desks and room for 2 more at the very most, which is
why you are so adept at jumping hurdles. In addition to greeting the
students at the door, another function of standing at the door is that of
partrolling the hallways to make sure no PDA (public display of
affection), fighting, passing drugs, etc. are occurring.

Back to the greeting of students - it truly does have a positive affect,
for with the class sizes and the amount of work that has to be done during
the class period it is sometimes the only chance a teacher has for
one-on-one contact with students.

Doris
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:24:19 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Gender
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> Why is it that
> most languages that use gender categories (which is not most languages,
> I realize) use masculine/feminine or masculine/feminine/neuter as the
> categories?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

This brought me into pedant-mode.  (Am I ever out?  You may well
ask! )  I *really* don't think that numerically, the majority of
lgs. w/ gender distinctions use m/f/n.  I think most of them use
nbs.  That's because there are so many African lgs. w/ *large*
nbs. of genders--one lg. I looked at had 17.

As for calling it gender, I blame the Greeks.  They could have
easily used alpha beta etc., but no, that would be too simple.

Karen
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:58:20 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Modems excite me...

>It doesn't even begin to dial--that's what I can't figure out.
>It began to dial a couple of times last night, but never connected.

Got a dialing prefix that shouldn't be there?  Or if none, try a
comma under A.

-Mka
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:00:39 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Taking Names and Kicking Butts
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> >You have good taste in bourbon.  That was my favorite brand back when I
> >drank bourbon.
>
>    You can always tell those Southern Ladies....just finest bourbon, or
> a touch of Southern Comfort for a few of them....

I didn't say it was what I drank regularly -- I said it was my favorite
brand.  Normally I bought Very Old Barton, far cheaper than Makers Mark.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:15:03 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      0/1
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It's funny this was brought up today--I just got mail misaddressed
to me as 1123 rather than LL23.

My typewriter distinguished 1 and l, my last one. But it was electric.

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:07:45 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars

>> Yeah?  What's the story?  And I don't mean to be obtuse, but
>> how's word count a hotly debated topic?
>
>        Sorry, I can't say.  Buy the CD.
>
>        And you would not *believe* how complicated word count can
>be (I know I didn't).
>
>Rita

Can't? Or won't?  You're such a tease.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:40:46 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Tushar's whereabouts
              21 Aug 1992 12:34:52 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

Well, Dan, you'll just have to make sure that you and Gail never
travel on the same plane, boat, train, or car together. :)

Evelyn
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Ice Cream Social

I just had a bowl of ice cream, two flavors, with all the toppings.  Each
ingrediant was served by a different member of the faculty ...Dean, Provost,
University President and his wife.  Kind of a nice touch...designed
primarily for all the new students ...and they are everywhere! ...to meet
the leaders of the University.  Nice touch!

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:56:34 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars

>He's right.  I just read the log.  Neat mail-loop they had early this
>month.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Thanks, Natalie.  I seemed to have zapped the original I sent--
not in the folder where it was supposed to be.  Thanks a lot.  I
was about to climb into my fireproof file cabinets.

If you're ever in deep criminal doo-doo, give me a call.

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:37:42 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Help

*** Resending note of 08/18/92 23:53

>It is going to the cats, as it should - you mangy flea-bitten garbage-sniffing
>mutts have been in control for too long!  It's time for a change!



--
>Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message

I will gladly send you an autographed copy of one of my favorite books -
"101 Things to do with a Dead Cat".


        /\_____/\
       -/ ''''' \-
        {''o o''}  Muffy, the only good cat is a dead cat!
        {  \^/  }(except of course Seigi, Muffy the Cat, Maxmillian and
       ////'''\\\\ friend, Lil' Bit and *maybe* Qunicy)

Note from Don:  Don't mind Muffy..he's a little hyper at times.  Oh, and
                about his driving ...I only let him drive out West on
                those Interstates that you could see for 10 miles ahead,
                with little traffic, as he had to use the cruise control,
                and could not reach brake pedal.  Other than that, he did
                quite well, and the driving relief was welcome!
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:36:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gender
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> heard ... it looked to me like a reworking of the same old story -
> A woman (or by extension, all women) is in a difficult situation precisely
> because she is a woman (i.e., she lacks the strength/courage/intelligence
> to extricate herself), and the hero rides in to save her.
>
> >--ggs
>
> -maya (who *adored* WHTMIQRN (N=1...13), simply _adored_ it, dahlink)

thanks maya you are a dear....  and your answer is perfect.  I am
enlightened, seriously.  As a man, I get pretty damned tired of having
to be a hero all the time.  I *love* women who deal with their own
situations....
--ggs
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:29:18 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: fuzzy headed distortionn
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              "GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU" at Aug 17, 92 3:47 pm

JAG to abh:
>                                                 If I wanted to talk
> about femNazis, I would do so directly.  You're beginning ot sound like
> one of them "fuzzy headed liberals" that tries to squirm off the hook
> by redefining the issue to attack the person, not the argument.
>

This is *too* funny -- abh being called a LIBERAL, and a fuzzy headed
one at that.  ROFLMGO.

rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:53:49 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Dictionaries
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>   As an (unnecessary) further argument, I quote webster:
> dic-tion \'dik-shen\ n

Torkel--do you get these from an on-line webster's somewhere,
or do you type these in?  If it's from on-line, I would like
to know the address, please.

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:46:00 EST
From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject: Re: Music Junkie
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>DON'T LEAVE US, ADAM!!  There's a way.  I haven't figured out yet exactly
>what it is, but it's there.  Exactly where will you be (3 states away)?

Well, when I do log in I can read the list in our pitiful news
program, but that only holds about 3 day's worth of the list.  I'll
be in Springfield, the address in my .plan file.  I wanted to tell
the president (of the school) last week that one of the things I
will miss the most would be Words.  Oh well.  He wouldn't have
understood anyway.

--Adam (ahartfie@{drew, drunivac}{.bitnet, .drew.edu})
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: On Gender and Such 
Distribution: world
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:52:28 +0000


In article <WORDS-L%92081820281133@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA writes:

>You don't see sentences like "Man is the only mammal who does not always
>suckle his young", but rather "Man is the only mammal in which the
>females do not always suckle their young".
>
>If that "man" is inclusive, then sentence 1 should sound perfectly
>normal.

"Man is the only mammal who does not always scratch his testicles in public."

"Man is the only mammal in which the males do not always scratch their
testicles in public."

Sentence 2 sounds perfectly normal to me in *both* cases.  What's your point?

H
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From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: How to breed a Cubs fan
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:32:19
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In-reply-to: s mandell's message of Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:52:50 PDT

   I don't remember if we leave early or not.  Leaving early is for the
   beginning of the fourth quarter when the Bears are behind 31-14, and
   it's 20 degrees and snowing.

Broncos fans never leave early--regardless.

   Once a Cubs fan, always a Cubs fan.

Kinda like being a Broncos fan...just can't explain it to those that aren't
in the "family".

   Steph

//anne//
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:51:58 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The D-words
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:59:00 EDT, ktw@hlwpk.att.com wrote:
> with the prolonged adolescent status of being grad students.  But I
> don't know anyone who said "I'm making a statement" by quitting.  It
> was simply a question of how much you could tolerate, how driven you
> were, and what drove you.

I do - that very morning I had just that spiel from my boss who claimed
he quit a maths degree the week before the finals before he suddenly
realised he'd never need the qualifications on paper for any job he
might end up in...

G
PS When I quit an MSc a couple of years ago I told everyone it was
because it was too difficult for me.  I *abhor* hypocrisy...
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:23:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: RE: fuzzy headed distortionn
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> >This is *too* funny -- abh being called a LIBERAL, and a fuzzy headed
> >one at that.  ROFLMGO.
>

The next <person> who calls -abh a LIBERAL is going to get the sh*t
beat out of her/him and sent to Isla Mujeres at 1:30 pm to ward off
the roving bands of starving beagles.
--ggs (protecting his sweet though somewhat politically misguided
       friend, as a hero should....)
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:11:29 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      RE: The Evidence
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On Sat, 22 Aug 1992, Bandwidth Pig wrote:
> >my mother is a member of this list
>
> Oh, thuper. Nancy, how many you got, woman?
> -abh

Hon, I have two, but this one isn't mine.  Whose daughter *are* you, mgarber?
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:30:00 EST
From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Adam, List Honey
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>
>Adam's is the first name I recognized when I first started reading
>words-l.  It was during the Rodney King affair and I was very inpressed with
>his informed voice of logic in the midst of many inflamed voices of reaction.
>I appreciated all the good reports he kept posting as this was my only
>source of information other than the nightly news. (pretty scarey, huh?)
>I know this isn't alt.news, but it was nice to see some facts instead of
>opinions.  Thanks, Adam.
>
>Betty Z. (an appreciative semi-lurker)

Thank you, Betty, but I think you've got me confused with Aaron.  I
pretty much stayed out of that flame war..too many other things to
worry 'bout at the time.

--Adam
who got more funny looks at the Bookstore when he bought Time, Mad,
and The Economist this morning.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:11:07 EDT
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      RE: On Gender and Such
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>From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
>
>Hofstadter quotes some nice examples, e.g.:
>
>You don't see sentences like "Man is the only mammal who does not always
>suckle his young", but rather "Man is the only mammal in which the
>females do not always suckle their young".
>
>If that "man" is inclusive, then sentence 1 should sound perfectly
>normal.
>
Um, not really.  The problem with the unmarked meaning of man is that
the marked meaning also exists.  No one would suggest that man can be
used for homo sapiens in all contexts.  The point is that up until
recently, it was suitable in some contexts.  When one sex or the other
is specifically implied, then it is appropriate to indicate that sex,
as the sentence you cited does.  The potentially confusing thing is that
to indicate masculinity, we use the same form, man, in its marked
meaning that we can sometimes use to make no statement of sex.

This is not unlike problems that arise in other languages.  In Russian,
while there are usually separate nouns for the male and female of most
animals, only one will be used when talking about the animal in gen-
eral and the other indicates an animal of the sex in question only.
(Mka, see Jakobson's "osel, oslica" example.)  However, there are some
animals that have only one form.  Whales, for example, are only mascu-
line.  How do you express the idea of a pregnant or nursing whale
(yes, they are mammals) in Russian?  You would have to use a masculine
adjective.  It sounds counter-intuitive, but the language leaves no
alternative.  If there *were* an alternative, though, then no doubt
speakers of Russian would use it, so it is no surprise to me that
speakers of English use the option of indicating that it is specif-
ically the female of the species that (sometimes) suckles the young.

Happy anniversary of the "coup" in the former USSR.  What were *you*
doing at this time last year?  (I was in Czechoslovakia, where I
got to watch the news on CNN, dubbed into Czech.)

Frank
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:50:01 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      re: good evening to you all
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>    No, but I didn't KNOW all that.  I just think of your present location as
> as a small town.

So does anyone else. It is.  This doesn't mean I'm from it or that I
am a girl.

> kiss and make up?

Sure.  I like kissing and wearing make up.

Karen
who sometimes feels like Weezie in Steel Magnolias.
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