From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:54:52 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1hi55qINNiv4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>>Who is to decide that such and such applies when Muslims are in power, and 
>>such and such when they are oppressed?
>
>Sometimes things are so clear where people can judge if it is night or
>day, or if it is sun or moon.  By the same token, it is easy to tell 
>whether muslims in power or not.

Of course, I was not saying that Muslims are in power.  They are not.
I was asking about what applies when Muslims are not in power.  The basic
rules of justice should still be in effect.  Hamas violates this.

>"Be patient" is not a silly matter.  The Prophet of Islam(pbuh) told that 
>"sabran 'al yasser, in maoedakom al janah." in the early days of Islam 
>were muslims were few and where islam had no power.  But did that allow the
>prophet to make a comprmise with unbelievers for peace? 

Then what do you say about SulH al-Hudaibiiah?  Didn't the prophet of Islam
(pbuh) compromise for peace?

>Abou Taleb used to come to the Prophet and tell 
>him we will make you the governor of Quraish
>and grant you full authority if you stop your preaching.  He did not agree 
>despite the fact he and his followers were opressed.

This is irrelevant here.  Quraish was virtually asking the prophet to 
give up Islam, not to make peace with them.  When they asked for peace
he did agree.

>Plus, the prophet(pbuh) had said in a sahih Hadith that Jihad will continue
>till the day of judgment.

So?  You are not saying that the only form of Jihad is the one Hamas does,
are you?

>He didn't say "peace b/w jews and muslims" will be achievable.

So?  He did not say we will use computers, does this mean there will not be
computers?

>Also, The prophet(pbuh) had said in a sahih Hadith that muslims
>will fight jews.

So?  It could be that Muslims will fight the Jews because, for example,
the latter preach a peace treaty they sign now with Muslims.

>He didn't say muslims will make peace with jews.

See what I said above about computers, or think about the prophet's not 
saying anything about airplanes, TV's, etc.

>Is peace a temporary solution
>and a first step towards the liberation of Palestine?  If this is the case, 
>tell it to us and see if your jewish friend Ron appreciates it... It simply
>is not going to work.

You know very well, or I hope you do, that Muslims do not sign a (peace)
treaty if they do not intend to keep it from their part.  I do not advocate
the step-by-step policy.

>Tell me how this Allama can achieve justice on the palestinian issue

I don't think Muhammad Iqbal discussed this issue.

>I didn't say Malcom X is a scholar of islam.  But he is a one that 
>tells a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, and soul for a soul, which
>all you fail to see how it can be applicable.

If a hispanic person causes my tooth to be broken, am I justified in breaking
the tooth of any other hispanic?  I accept fully the Quranic principle 
of Qisas, but not its blind application by angry people who, due to their 
being subject to grave injustice by Israelis, do not stick to the true
principles of justice advocated by Islam.

Best Ahmad
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