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From: lund@noao.edu (Rich Lund)
Subject: Re: dream team or nightmare team?
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.154636.16532@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu) writes:
>
>This Charles Barkley does not want to stop amusing us, but this
>this time he speaks for his team, the Dream Team. 
>
>In a news conference, Barkley said his teammates told him
>after the Angola game: "Don't get thrown out. We need you. 
>THEY TOLD ME THE ANGOLAN GUY HADN'T EATEN IN A LONG TIME, SO
>HIT A FAT GUY NEXT TIME."
>
>If most of the team members were not african american, I would
>have suspected some racism here. I think we are all giving them
>credits talking about sportsmanship here, they lack human 
>decency. Let's drop the topic.  
>
>Sorry to see a nightmare team representing america.       
>
>
>Kai Chiu
>kai1@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
>Bell Communications Research, Inc.              
>Tel: (908) 699-7338 

Hey, Barkley may not be the world's best comedian, but
people like you need to lighten up.  Must everything said 
be taken literally, seriously, or as racist slanderous trash?

The fact is that the "Dream Team" has had intense media coverage
and for the most part these super athletes have been courteous
respectful and understanding.  They are risking injury to their
person, which could jeopardize their careers, to help the U.S.
win a Gold Medal in basketball.  Most of us are grateful for their
effort and delighted to see this fantastic  assortment of NBA
superstars display their talents.  

If the "Dream Team" takes the gold or not, I want to thank them
for their "Patriotism" and for the marvelous demonstration of 
basketball skills.  A team of this caliber may never be assembled
again, so ENJOY it NOW.


Rich Lund
lund@noao.edu



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From: Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton)
Subject: Re: ROWING: day 1 results (complete)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:36:30 GMT

In article <dmartin.712354856@femto.engr.mun.ca> dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca (Dan Martin) writes:
>Here is a complete of results for the first day in rowing.  
>
>
>        Men's coxless pairs 
>        -------------------
>
>        Heat 3: 
>        1st  Great Britain (Redgrave, Pinsent)                  6:36.53

Yay, way to go! Wasn't it an awesome performance? Redgrave isn't the most
technical of rowers but did you see the size of his puddles? Best time of
all the heats, and they were winding down at the end.

>        Men's single sculls 
>        -------------------
>
>        Heat 1: 
>        1st  Vaclav Chalupa, Czechoslovakia                     7:06.01
>        2nd  Wade Hall-Craggs, Britain                          7:11.58
>        3rd  Gabor Mitring, Hungary                             7:11.93
>        4th  Greg Walker, United States                         7:13.62
>        5th  Jesus Maria Vivas, Uruguay                         7:38.96
>        6th  Niall O'Toole, Ireland                             7:50.46

Poor old O'Toole - he's a lightweight (that is under 160 lbs) and is
competing against people several stone heavier. Hope he successfully
defends his world championship title. He didn't look great at the Irish
National championships a couple of weeks ago - pulled out of the
lightweight final but won the elite final but not that convincingly. We
were carrying our boat down to the slip when he was coming in after the
lightweight final and he was looking very dejected.
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From: reider@gayley.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider)
Subject: Re: Track & Field
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:22:37 GMT

In article <ehmer-220792101641@mac17.beards-art-cc.swarthmore.edu> ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what the US record is for most top 3 finishers at the
>Track & Field Trials who have not competed at the Olympics?  

  I don't know the answer to this question, but I noticed yesterday in
T+FN that in the men's running events, only 8 spots (out of 30) were
filled by repeaters from 88.  Johnny Gray was the only Trials champ to
repeat.  For the women it was 9 repaeaters out of 27.  The field events
had a slightly better percentage of repeaters, but not by much.  This
says a lot about the depth of talent in the US>

  However my guess is that repeat Olympians is probably much more common
now than in earlier years.  The making of track into a somewhat
professional sport means athletes can have long careers spanning more
than one Olympiad.  Before this I guess most athletes left the sport
after an Olympic appearance to earn a living.

>Most people know by now that Kami Keshmiri had more than back problems
>after the Trials.  My understanding is that his positive test was from
>April.  Why didn't it surface until after the Trials?

  Keshmiri claims innocence, and the story he told is quite suspicious.
It's hard to tell who is cheating and got caught, versus who is being
framed and who is cheating and not being caught.  What a mess.

>The heartbreak kid, Steve Placencia, who finished 4th in both the 10,000
>and 5,000 now has both events to choose from.  Neither Ken Martin (10K) or
>John Gregorek (5K) made the Olympic standards.  I've heard Steve will run
>the 10K only.  This would provide the 5K spot to Rueben Reina, who was a
>bit under the weather at the trials and was the next best finisher to hit
>the Olympic Standard.
>
>Anyone know more about the women's javelin and other events where being in
>the Top 3 at the Trials hasn't meant a trip to Spain?

  Amber Welty got her qualifier in the high jump.  In the javelin, I
think Karin Smith is going.
>
>Who is the lowest finisher at a Trials to actually make a US Olympic team?
 
  Doug Padilla finished near last at TAC last year in the 5000 but made
the World Champs team since no one else in the final had a qualifier.

>Any more news on whether or not Patti Sue Plumer will run the 1500m at
>Barcelona.  Immediately after the Trials she was considering/fairly certain
>to step aside and let the fourth place finisher, Mary Slaney, get another
>shot at the Olympics.  I haven't heard anything since then, but I believe
>Slaney has either been sick or a bit injured and might not be able to race
>anyway.

  I don't think Slaney was named to the team.  As you mentioned, she has
dropped outof European meets for medical reasons.

>Larry Ehmer
>ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu

  Only 9 days until the fun starts.

	Marc Reider
	reider@math.ucla.edu

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From: Mike King
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.100406.23629@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason
W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.060526.27572@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu
(Jawad Ali) writes:
>
>|> An estimated 2 BILLION people watched Pakistan defeat England in the 
>|> Cricket World Cup in Melbourne earlier this year.  
>
>This is pretty rediculous. Do you realize the incredible disruptions that
would
>occur if this happened. I find it hard to believe that their have ever been
>2 Billion people watching TV simultaneously.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky
>
 It may be a bit exaggerated, but an awful lot of people watched the final. It
was shown in the middle of the night in Canada (say 12:30 - 7:00
am), and I watched it. I was a bit sleepy during the day following, but I don't
think many people noticed. ;-).         Mike King.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:56:50 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <BrsxA0.IDH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
>Actually the USA was one of a very small number of countries (2 or 3) to
>vote AGAINST allowing the NBA players into the olympics. The rest of the
>world WANTS the NBA in the olympics. Originally our college players did
>to the world what the NBA will do this year. The rest of the world got     
>better. Now they want to play against the BEST so they can see what they
>need to do to get better. You can't improve if you don't play against 
>good opponents.

Wow,what an enlightening post!!! My original article did not say anything
about USA voting for or against allowing pros into the Games. What people
like David Gavitt and the rest of USA Basketball Inc. did what was make up
the US team with NBA stars who can sell NBA
instead of collegiate stars who can promote the game of basketball.
Why couldn't they have 7 collegians and 5 pros on the team? By allowing
pros into the Games and making it an exclusive pro organization,it bars
a young collegiate player,who has no intention of turning professional,
from the chance of ever being able to even try out for an Olympic team.

No matter how USOC voted,the final outcome of the vote is certainly used
to its full potential - 11 pros and 1 "amateur-soon-to-become-millionaire".

-Mark
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From: veit@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Veit Zimmermann)
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC2000: German reporter causes storm in Australian news conference
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: fb20
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:37:38 GMT

Hi there
I live in Berlin and would like to tell some things going around here in 
Berlin.
1) In Berlin polls tell a clear story: about 50% of the Berlin citizens
are con or at least not pro Olympics.
2) In Germany it is only 1/3 who are positive to this idea.

rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>Sydney 2000 bid news conference.
>--------------------------------
>
>A German journalist has been accused of propping up Berlin's bid for the 2000
>Games during a news conference in Barcelona.
>
>The journalists asked Australia's "Sydney 2000" representatives repeated
>questions in English and German about the hole in the ozone layer and the
>possibilities of higher skin cancer threats.
>
>The Australian members at the news conference stated that the journalist was
>trying to smear the Australian bid for the Games.

>The Australian officials stated that the level of ozone depletion over Sydney
>is negligable, with nearly all ozone depletion in the southern hemisphere
>occuring over Antarctica.
>
>One official said that there was an equivalent amount of depletion of ozone
>over most other cities in the world.

A NASA paper says that the ozone layer over Berlin in the (european) summer
is thinner than over Sydney in the (australien) winter.

Further more there where reports in the papers that berlin olympic commitee(?)
did personel studies about members of the IOC containing personell information
to impress them by doing it all the way they like it best.

	CIAO
			veit

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From: pearson_r@maths.su.oz.au (Robert Pearson)
Subject: Soccer in Australia (was SOCCER: Results Pool B)
Reply-To: pearson_r@maths.su.oz.au (Robert Pearson)
Organization: Mathematics, University of Sydney
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:14:44 GMT

                                               
     hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes :
>In article <6830@charon.cwi.nl> wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop) writes:
>>
>>Mexico - Australia  1-1
>>20.  Arambasic 0-1
>      ~~~~~~~~~
>>62.  Castaneda 1-1
>
>And the only Australian scorer against Ghana was Vidmar. Hey, are Croatians
>and Slovenians the only people in Australia that play soccer?
>
>Sven (a Croat, not a Swede!)

     No, the game here is also played by Macedonians, Serbs, Greeks, Italians, British,
South Americans, ...   
     Seriously, soccer (as "football" is called here) is one of the most popular
sports world-wide but in Australia it is not as popular as other codes of football
(either rugby league, rugby union or Australian football depending on where in
Australia you are). This is a situation similar to the U.S. where it is also 
not as popular as other sports I understand.
     In Australia the game is probably mostly played by people of "ethnic" origin
i.e. those who have descended from immigrants from countries where the game is
big - such as the former Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, Britain, South America, etc.
Consequently the national teams (at whatever level) usually have quite a few names
of Slovenian, Croatian, Greek, etc origin. 
     I don't know why more of us "native" Australians don't follow the game here
but I guess the national team's lack of success (we have only made the World Cup
finals once) is a big factor. If we could do well at international level the game
would no doubt become a lot more popular generally. 
     Maybe the Olympics might be a start. I have heard that the Olyroos (as our
Olympic team is known) beat Denmark this morning and are now through to the next
stage of the competition. The media here seem to think they are a medal chance -
I think that might be stretching things a bit, but after the way the team put
Holland out of business to qualify who knows ? An Olympic medal would surely
give the game here a tremendous boost.


--
Robert Pearson,                     e-mail : pearson_r@maths.su.oz.au 
School of Mathematics and Statistics,           
Uni of Sydney N.S.W. 2006,                               
Australia
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From: zaichunl@cs.tamu.edu (Zaichun Li)
Subject: Re: NBC -> US MAIL
Summary: Why can't the Olympics be telewised by NBC + ABC + CBS + ESPN + ... 
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:06:46 GMT

In article <TEUBEN.92Jul29124003@lynx.astro.umd.edu> teuben@lynx.astro.umd.edu (Peter Teuben) writes:
>
>I've seen a lot of good comments about the NBC coverage on this newsgroup.
>
>Perhaps a bit late by now, but we should send NBC a copy of the traffic in
> this newsgroup. Even the (few) good ones, they do deserve a little credit
>after all (:.)). 
>
>Perhaps a big stack of US MAIL (who can afford all the paper..) somebody
>in NYC should hand deliver.  
>
>I`m not so sure if they really know what's going on in the (sports) world. Take
>John Tesh, he's from *ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT*.

Actually, everyone knows that it's impossible for NBC to cover everything well.
Mamy of the commentators are only TEMPORARILY working for NBC. 

I like the way Football is telewised in (America). I do know this is stupid
(that I ask "Why can't the Olympics be telewised by NBC + ABC + CBS + ESPN + ..)
, however, I believe it's the only way to make MOST views happy. NO ONE has 
everything. BUT everyone has something. 

Don't you guys out there think the Triplecast smart? May be we can have a vote..

Well, let's face the fact: NBC has the exclusive right. But, at least, they
can *sell* part of the right to others (This is more than stupid, all right, I
will stop.). 

>
>	Peter
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zack


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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.183820.2386@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>In <Bs1ntL.25u@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk asks:
>
>>>Why is there only one British Olymipic team?
>
>In article <1992Jul27.175407.12893@cs.hut.fi> killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) answers:
>>Because USA has only one, too.  So does Denmark and Finland.

Oy, vey.  I hope this guy didn't go to any school I went to!  He obviously
didn't watch the opening ceremony.

>See below; Puerto Rico is considered separate from the rest of the
>segments which make up the United States (including the fifty states,
>the District of Columbia, and territories governed by the US).
>
--other stuff deleted
>
>But what about Puerto Rico?  That is not an independent country; all
>of its citizens are citizens of the United States.  However, it fields
>its own Olympic team.

Puerto Rico is a "largely self-governing commonwealth associated with the
United States." (Encyclopedia Americana, 1992, v.22 p.777)  They have their
own senate and house of representatives and have a governor just like a
state.   However, they are considered more like a territory and therefore
are permitted to compete separately in international events like the
Olympics.   

BTW, Guam (US territory) is also competing as a separate team, and all of
 their citizens are US citizens also.   

--Margaret
mfriley@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: edc780dsys@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re : TV of M's 400m Freestyle Final
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:28:53 GMT

In article <nts14ds@fido.asd.sgi.com>, shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.222305.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
> 
>>   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
>> 1.  Kieren Perkins (Australia)          3 minutes 49.24 seconds
>> 2.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
>> 3.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
>> 4.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
>> 5.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
>> 6.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
>> 7.  Sebastian Wiese (Germany)                      3:50.73
>> 8.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66
> 
> Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
> coverage? I think not...
> --
I hope you guys did get to see this, Apparently it was the best race swum so
far this meet, for Kieran Perkins (Former WR holder) to break the WR by 1.5
seconds and still come 2nd says an awful lot for Sadovyi's (EUN) swim.

Dave Cartwright
Monash Uni
Melbourne, Australia. 
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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Volleyball Dispute
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:41:35 GMT

In <1992Jul29.193525.19142@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>In article <KILLER.92Jul29203108@robocop.hut.fi>, killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>|> Isn't that what sportmanship is?  A set of unspoken rules which most
>|> participants adhere to.
>The comparison to soccer, however, was unfair. Soccer is just about as

I didn't compare volleyball RULES to anything.  What I did was just
state an example of a SPORTMANSHIPlike conduct in Olympics, as opposed
to recent posts about Dream Team volleyball incidents.
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From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden)
Subject: Re: Women's Olympic Gymnastics
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.140007.21617@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.174928.28445@cbnews.cb.att.com>, tcr@cbnews.cb.att.com (toby.c.rabold) writes:
>|> 
>|> TO:	USA OLYMPIC TEAM SUPPORTERS
>|> 
>|> FROM:	Kim Kelly/Parkettes National Gymnastics Training Center
>|> 
>|> DATE: 	July 27, 1992
>|> 
>|> Kim Kelly placed 6th at the US Olympic Trials. Kim performed
>|> her FLAWLESS routines on July 9th in Florida in a required
>|> selection process. Following this performance Kim was removed
>|> from the team due to a subjective vote by the coaches of each
>|> gymnast and one USGF official. The USGF by-laws, article 8.01 (B)
>|> states: the selection process shall be based primarily on current
>|> objective performance-related criteria, eliminating any reliance
>|> on subjective criteria.
>
>This is very wrong.
>
>First off an unusually large number of athletes who did not qualify
>(including at least one who was not able to show up at the
>qualifiers) were invited to the training camp and it was not expected
>that the sixth place gymnast at the qualifiers would make the team.
>
>Secondly, this WAS based soely on performance related criteria. A single
>great performance is not better than consistently superior performance.
>Despite the commercials pegging as a close competition, Dan O'Brien was
>generally considered to be the number one decathalon person in America.
>A single bad call (skipping the opening heights cost him an Olympic bearth
>despite an otherwise tremendous performance. The Gymnastics selection
>allows for exceptions to made for such cases by including with the six
>qualifiers, gymnasts that they feel deserve some special consideration.
>It is wrong to base a selection process more on luck than on skill. One
>performance does not make an athlete.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky

 A few things here. Unless you personally saw all the performances you can't 
substantiate the claim Kim was FLAWLESS.  A second thing: yes she did finish 
6th at the trials but Wendy Bruce finished 7th and she is competing in the 
Olympics. She went as the alternate but due to Michelle's injury she was moved
up. It's a tough situation and I feel as bad for Kim as I am elated for Wendy. 
Betty Okino was petitioned onto the team based on her performance at the World 
Championships since she missed both the nationals and the trials due to 
injuries. I would say it was justified since she qualified for the all around 
final Thursday night. If they went with a selection criteria based solely 
on the trials she (as well as Kurt Thomas in 1980) would have been excluded 
and her performance has demonstrated that she deserves to be there. 

It's a situation where someone is going to lose out and that's always 
unfortunate. 


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From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:31:04 GMT

In article <92209.085455BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Bernard BELL) writes:
> Those of you who watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics would have
> seen that the British team came in as under the name Great Britain, or
> more accurately, under Grande Bretagne, since the language of nomenclature
> for the parade was French. Does anyone know why the British compete as
> Grande Bretagne and not as Royaume Uni?

And does anyone know why on earth a parade in Spain (oops, sorry
Catalonia) should use French? 

Simon.

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