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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:38:13 BRA
Reply-To:     Amaury Bentes <PUR01001@UFRJ.BITNET>
From:         Amaury Bentes <PUR01001@UFRJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Correct name & site for PS to GIF utility

To our Australian fellow and all those who have asked me via private
messages:

  The correct name for the excelent GIF===>EPS utility is PSTGIF12.ARC
and it is located at the SIMTEL20 <MSDOS.GIF> directory. It can also
be retrieved from oak.oakland.edu via anonymous ftp because this site
mirrors the SIMTEL20 files.


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AMAURY DA GAMA BENTES

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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From: lcornell@stein.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell)
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Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:18:30 GMT
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Hi there,
This is my first post to this group, so please give me pointers if I have
done this wrong!

I've worked with Pagemaker (PC) now maybe a whole 2 hours....most of it
spent correcting a document that was left behind by someone who resigned.

This document is the wierdest thing going - I can make a change to the
text on one page, and have repercussions on several other pages in front
and in back of that page, and elsewhere on the page where the change was
made.  Yesterday I modified a centered page title and inserted ", 1C " in
the middle of the line - this change (which didn't cause any word wrap,
etc. to occur) caused a bar at the bottom of the page to revert to "Page
1" where it had been changed a couple weeks ago to read "Page 1 of 14".

I can open it one time and get a certain font, open it again - without
touching the fonts, and have something else show up.  Or open up the
document and have the paragraphs become un-aligned at the bottom of the
page. 

I'm just curious if any of you have some thoughts about how this document
might have been assembled in order for these types of things to occur.  I
keep trying to convince the person who requested this document that the
problems appear (from my point of view) to be an incorrectly assembled
document.  The (ex) employee who created the document has been telling
everyone that it is bugs in the software.

I just have a hard time believing that so many people could be using a
software application like PC Pagemaker - if you can't be sure from time to
time what will happen when you open up a document that you are working on!

Any thoughts?!  Thanks in advance for your time!

Linda Cornell
lcornell@u.washington.edu
UW Office of Research

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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     21-Jan-1993 04:10pm CDT
                                        From:     Gayle L. Bibisi
                                                  GBIBISI
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TO:  Remote NJE Network User              ( _JNET%PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS )


Subject: Scanning package

I am currently using the first Apple scanner ever made and the scanning
package that came with it. I am scanning from a Mac II on sys 6.05.

Basically we scan line art only, but would like to get into scanning
halftones. Suffice to say our package is about worthless in the
halftone area.

What I would really like is a scanning package that will let me edit
the line art (you know, delete things, add things, rotate, etc.). Our
package lets you do a few of these things but it is very clumsy.

Could anyone suggest an inexpensive scanning package that will work
mainly with line art but will do a good job on halftones?

And if I need a newer scanner could you offer a few suggestions
and costs?  Thanks!
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:50:38 -0700
Reply-To:     "Geof Peters (TRUTH)" <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
From:         "Geof Peters (TRUTH)" <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Quick tip on switching views...

Hello Everyone! Here is a quick tip that was suggested to me by a new
subscriber to the list from Finland: era eriksson. I have added the tip
to the PMTIPS.FAQ file. Thanks Era!

---------------------------------------
Many of the PC users use the second mouse button to switch between
"Fit in window" and 100% views, and by using the shift key, switch
between 100% and 200%.  Well, what about all of those one button
mice that come with the Macs??

For those of you who do not have a second mouse button (like you Mac-
users) here is what you do: Hold down the command and option keys (ctrl
and alt keys for PC users) and click anywhere on the desktop. This will
toggle between 100% and "Fit in Window". To toggle between 100% and 200%,
hold down the shift key as well.

Enjoy!

Postscript: How unfortunate that the PC version of PM 5.0 will ship
a month or so earlier than the Mac.  Hmm -- which platform do you think
Aldus prefers? Hee hee. (please do not flame me too hard!)

Geof.


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From:         "Geof Peters (TRUTH)" <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Scanning Packages...

With all the talk about scanning packages, I have a quick question --
does anyone know if Adobe Photoshop supports the Logitech *hand* scanners?
I know for a fact that both Ofoto and Aldus' Photostyler do not support
the hand scanners. Or does anyone know Adobe's number so that I can
contact them?

Thanks -- Geof.


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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:30:14 -0500
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Subject:      Scanning package...

To modify line art scans, here's the method I use:
I save the  scan in PICT format and import it into SuperPaint.
Once in SuperPaint, I use the "Edit Superbits" option to edit at 300 dpi.
Works fine for me, especially on old machines which don't run Adobe Photoshop
very well. I don't do very much with halftones, although we do have Digital
Darkroom here. I haven't played around with it much.
-- Scott Davis, Ball State University, Muncie, Indiana
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From:         Andrew Chiang <ESTUJA6@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Catalog paging

Regarding making a booklet where you turn the page sideways so that it
is in landscape orientation, and then have basically "two pages"
on one physical page, and simply stack up the sheets and staple
them in the middle, as far as I know, Pagemaker has no ability to
do this automatically.  I know because I did one time have to do something
like that, and ended up having to simply say I wanted 2 columns, put
page 1 on the right, page 2 on the left of the next page, page 3 on
the right, etc.  and then print out all the pages and then cut and paste.
However, I know that Microsoft Publisher (a low end DTP program) can do
this almost automatically, there is some predefined template, and it
will automatically arrange everything properly.
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Reply-To:     On the Tundra in West Michigan <YA57@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>
From:         On the Tundra in West Michigan <YA57@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>
Subject:      $1300 PeeCee's...

Hi All,

Someone mentioned a "deal" on micros (486 for $1300 US?).

I suggest you check with your campus bookstore, or Computer
Center.  One of them may have a deal with one of the
manufacturers for special pricing.  I know Ferris does (we
used to handle some of it in the CC, but it's all been
transferred to our bookstore).

THIS IS NOT A SALES PITCH -- just a statement of fact:

We were offered deals by IBM and by Gateway (some software
and a mouse come with each deal):

IBM:  PS/Value Point 433DX:  486-33MHz (66MHz optional $$),
8MB RAM (more at $$), SVGA, 120MB HD (170 or 212 at $$,
3.5" floppy (5.25" $$), and 14" monitor.
Price:  US$1517, + $369 for monitor.

Gateway:  4DX-33:  486-33MHz, 4MB RAM, SVGA, 250MB HD (others
up to 500MB for $$), 3.5" and 5.25" floppies, and 14" monitor.
Price:  US$1995.

Gateway:  4DX2-66:  486-66MHz, 8MB RAM, SVGA, 340MB HD
(ditto), 3.5" and 5.25" floppies, and 15" monitor.
Price:  US$2995.

Gateway also offered steps between the two with various
combinations of options.

You may have different companies offering different deals,
but my point is:  Check your local offices to see what they
have available to staff, faculty and students.

        --Bruce.

  Bruce Werner                BITNET:  YA57@FERRIS
  Big Rapids, Michigan  (We're BIG, we're just not GRAND)
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Subject:      thanks & more

thanks to everyone who replied to my question on page numbering. I recieved
some very helpfull hints.

How much should I charge to do a 10 page catalog. Full pages 8 1/2 x 11, with
pictures?

Josh

Josh Clark
jclark6@onondaga.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:13:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Felix Sung <fsung@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
From:         Felix Sung <fsung@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Quick tip on switching views...
              25, 93 10:50 pm

> Postscript: How unfortunate that the PC version of PM 5.0 will ship
> a month or so earlier than the Mac.  Hmm -- which platform do you think
> Aldus prefers? Hee hee. (please do not flame me too hard!)
>
Geof,

It is unfortunate, but for you poor, benighted PC users. Obviously you
didn't bother to read the extra-teeny-tiny-very-small fine print
written in invisible ink in the PM 5.0 announcement, in which Aldus
said they were releasing the PC version first to alpha test it on PC
users because they figured PC users would buy the "That's not a bug,
it's a feature" argument. (Mac users, on the other hand, are too clever
and sophisticated to fall for that one, :-p so they're planning to
wait 'til they can beta test in on the Mac community. :-)

So all you PC users who like to live on the bleeding edge of
technology and software will have to put up with those additional
undocumented "features," which, of course, will be fixed (oops! I mean
"documented") six months later in v. 5.1, which can be yours for an
additional $75 upgrade fee. What a bargain! (Or should I say, WHAT? A
BARGAIN?) Mac users, having a beta version, will get v. 5.1 three
months later, for the same $75 upgrade fee.

So let that be a lesson to you to read the extra-teeny-tiny-very-small
fine print next time you get a press release from Aldus. :-)

(All flames cheerfully returned, postage due, of course!)

Felix.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:41:18 -0500
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From:         BAWALKER@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      print to postscript from PM

Does anyone know how to save a booked document in PageMaker
4.2a as a single Postscript file?

Here's why I need to know:

Our campus recently acquired a Xerox DocuTech Production
Publisher. The output is very crisp and the turn-around time is
slightly quicker than taking camera-ready copy down to graphic
arts. All we have to do now when we want to send copy from the
Macintosh to graphic arts is to select the graphics arts printer from
the AppleTalk zone in the chooser. The only problem is that the
DocuTech does not like to print a bunch of files together as one
printing job. For example, when using Microsoft Word, we save
each chapter of a manual as an individual file and then use the "file
series" option to print the files in order; but, alas, the DocuTech
can't seem to recognize our file series to print all the documents as
one job. Graphic arts has told us to put all the files together into
one whopping file, which of course is a headache with copying and
pasting. But that's been what we've been doing.

We have a similar problem with PageMaker 4.2a. We save
individual sections of our newsletter as separate PageMaker files
and then use the "Book" function to print. We thought perhaps we
could save our "booked" document as a "print postscript to disk"
file that we could FTP to the DocuTech--that way we wouldn't
have to cut and paste all the sections into one huge file to send
over. But we can"t get the "print PostScript to disk" box (where it
allows you to select "Normal" or "EPS," etc. under
Print:PostScript) to turn on when we have the "print entire book"
option checked under the Print menu. So, we then tried the Option-
Print command, which brought up a menu that allowed us to both
select the "print entire book" option as well as the "Destination:
PostScript file" option. Then we clicked on Print--and, presto,
PageMaker started saving the document as a postscript file. That is,
it started to, but it couldn't finish the job. We got an error message
every time we tried to print to disk and wound up with a postscript
document that was only about 30K in size, obviously too small to
have saved the complete booked document in postscript. What did
we do wrong?

Thanks for any help
Beth Walker
Assistant Editor
University of Tennessee Computing Center Newsletter
bawalker@utkvx.utk.edu
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Reply-To:     Reverend John <UC521832@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
From:         Reverend John <UC521832@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      making booklets with PM

Someone asked about the single-page, folded & stapled style of booklet.
The main problem, as mentioned, is that auto page-numbering isn't
possible, since two "pages" appear on one sheet of paper.

Ah, but you can. Set up your publication pages as the actual size of
each "page," that is, the printed area--half a regular sheet or
whatever. Auto-number the pages, set the whole thing up. Then, use the
Aldus Addition "Make Booklet." It will output a new file with the
elements combined onto single-page parts, ready for printing. It will also
make the page numbers permanents.

The disadvantage, of course, is that it's difficult to edit--the stories
get broken apart, I believe. And the page numbers can't be edited. But,
this addition is designed to do exactly what you asked for.

Caveat: the one time I tried to use it, just messing around, I found that
my master page items were misaligned in the final output. I'm not sure
if I had things set up wrong or what; I didn't mess with it further. So
try it before you rely on it.

You can, of course, always set it up as I've described (with half-size
pages and auto-numbering) and then cut each page in half and re-paste
in the appropriate arrangement. I did that for several booklets. It isn't
the most convenient, but it's not a big deal either.

Rev
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From:         "Curtis A. Bohl" <bohlc@EXT.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      problems with PM and CGM files

    Problem:  PageMaker 4.0 importing multiple SAS CGM files onto a single
    page.  The legend fonts appear correctly on the screen, as ATM converts
    them to a Gilsans font.  However, as I am placing six CGM files on the
    page (2 per line), and the page is printed, starting with the second
    row of images, the legend text is pushed down, and eventually cut off.

    I have tried checking Force Vector Fonts, but it still does the same
    thing.

    Does anyone have solutions to this problem (I spent one late 2:00 am
    night blocking out and substituting text to fix this)?  As I stated
    before, it looks great on screen.  Output is for a HP DeskJet 500C (I
    haven't tested this problem on a HP LJ).

   *     *  *
*  *     *  *  Curtis Bohl                  Computer Programmer/Analyst
**** *** ****  bohlc@ext.missouri.edu    4-H Youth Development Programs
   *     *  *                                    University of Missouri
   *     *  *  (314) 882-2034                        Columbia, Missouri
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From:         Rosemary=Hallberg%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Clip-art for PageMaker anyone?

There is some clip art in wuarchive in the mirrors2 directory, but most of it
is pretty big.

Rosemary Hallberg
Human Services Lab
UNC Chapel Hill
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From pm@LEMOORE.ATI.COM, on 1/11/93 11:19 AM:
> In short, my question is:
> Does anyone know if there is any GOOD clip-art available on the Internet?
> (I define 'good' as either 300 dpi or EPS files).
>
I am very much interested in the same thing and would love any information
out there!

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*  Kevin Kurtz                           *  Pam Kurtz               *
*  Lemoore Elementary School *  Pamela@lemoore.ati.com  *
*  Kevin@lemoore.ati.com     *                          *
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*                    Lemoore, California                *
*                   Fax: (209) 924 - 5975               *
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From: LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET (John M)
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Date: 21 Jan 93 15:54:00 GMT
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Then there's a piece called "The Eleven" in, you guessed it, 11/4 time,
broken down 3/3/3/2.
Oh yeah - it's by the (gasp) Grateful Dead.

-JM
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Hell, no, it isn't. Maybe you're thinking of Pat Boone whitebread cover
versions of Little Richard tunes. Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl
Perkins, Buddy Holly, Little Richard, the Coasters, and on and on...
watered down? No way.

I would also like to take this opportunity to personally congratulate
Tim Johnson for his clear, articulate defense of the English language in
the face of those (primarily in academia) who would submerge its meanings
in the sewers of relativism.

And I'd like to remind Scott that it's pointless to blame "capitalism" for
killing the good bookstore; people, fortunately or unfortunately, buy what
they want. If they want to be ignorant and buy junk, that's what they'll do.
No law can change that, and there SHOULDN'T be one attempting to try.

David

"Awful serious this morning, huh?"
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 >Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)


Hmmm...probably Geroge and Ira Gershwin, Leonard Cohen, and Johnette
Napolitano...
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While I was in Camelot picking up _Transmutation_ the guy who works in the jazz
section, that I had tried to bully into ordering a copy of _Transmutation_ for
himself (because he did sound interested--he plays bass and likes Bootsy),
asked
me if I knew "Junkyard" by David Friedman (?) and some other David.  Nope, I
didn't.  But I am a bit sceptical because when I--oops, we'll have to
DIS-assemble the above text before we can proceed any further: actually I
talked to this guy when I ORDERED _Transmutation_ and he was interested; so
when I picked it UP, I asked him whether he had heard it for himself... and he
got this whimpering look in his eyes and he mewled, "Well I saw some Praxis on
video [?? is this true? possible? what video?] and [whine] I thought they were
kind of... weird" He looked terrified that I was going to prod him with my
stiletto-heel motorcycle boots [you thought I was going to say boobs, didn't
you]... So when this guy recommended "Junkyard" I thought, yeah, sure.
BUT I also thought, let's hear what the NET has to say on this. So?

Gary, I just recorded my stuff for you and I'm telling you, if what I have put
on tape for the good of mewling humanity does not make you jump out of your
pants INSTANTLY, I want to hear about it.  It'll be in tomorrow's mail and I
hope it doesn't burn the PeeOh's fingers.

Ilia, "deprive of" not "from" (you're thinking _ot_) (for what that's worth)

You know one of the strangest things about _Transmutation_ (don't laugh or
puke) - you can DANCE to it.  Truly, I could not just SIT and listen to it.  It
made you get up and DO it.  Now how much jazz can you say that about?
(I hope I haven't made a horrible Volks Paw)


Sonia
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