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From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Death of a 2 year old
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:30:58 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technology, San Jose

out on the net...

My co-worker's 2 year old granddaughter died two months ago.  The doctors
have finally discovered that it was caused from a virus in the heart.  
Her parents heard her cry early one morning, and when they went to check 
up on her, she was convulsing.  Her symptoms were similar to a heart 
attack.  The doctors could not find anything wrong with her brain 
(thought it could be an aneurism) or heart until now.  They originally
were saying it was a form of SIDS.  Then checked if it was an aneurism
that was hereditary (thank God it wasn't).  Has anyone heard
of dying from a virus in the heart?  They were told that 97% of the people
with this condition die.  Anyone know what it could be caused by?

Donna
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: cute/funny things they do (6yr and 3yr)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:36:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Hi All. Just some light reading for summer.
My daughter (6 yr) volunteered to set the table a couple of nights
ago (I know, I should have been suspicious). Well, part way through
dinner, I reached for my napkin to wipe my face, and saw a black
spider sitting on the table. I did a double take (did not scream),
the realized it was a fake spider. My daughter and her dad thought it
was hysterical, I laughed too, but told her - once is funny, twice
would not be. Anyway, that night she asked to have the spider in the
tub, and I said ok. BTW, she had asked for plastic spiders last
Christmas; try to find *those* in December!! (She had a couple from
a Halloween party). Well, after her bath, came her brother (3 yr),
and we are involved in an ongoing project of trying to convince
him to poop in the potty. Well, I went in to check on him, and saw
this little black thing on the bottom of the tub (murky water from
soap, same water his sister used) and asked 'Michael, did you poop in 
the tub?'. He said no, then looked down where I was gazing, and
reached down, pulled the object up, and said 'plastic spider'.
Thank goodness!
                           Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: RE: Budgeting for Baby
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:02:01 GMT

Well, first off, Stefan was 2wks late and was 9lbs5oz and 22 1/2in
I never bought any small clothes before birth, though not because I
didn't want to-no money. He started out in 3mo size and skipped 9mo
at 6mo he was wearing 12mo, a couple wks later we bought 18mo.
 
Now at 13mo he is wearing mostly 2T, a little large, but you'll feel
like you're getting your money's worth.
 
I recommend NOT buying much before birth, as a side-someone said something
about a shock when the free clothes from grandparents stop---When is
that?---Hee, Hee---Aren't we lucky?   Yes, we know that we are, but Stefan's
the first, and likely the only for some time, grandchild all around.
 
We never bought, or had a lot, couldn't afford it.  Still can't.
I have driven myself crazy, though, I love to shop, and it hasn't been
that long since we did have money & I went shopping every week!
 
But even if we suddenly could afford to buy whatever, I wouldn't, he
doesn't need it.
 
For the first few months, we relied on t-shirts and those legless gowns-
very handy, but Stefan was born on June 3rd so we didn't have to worry
about him being cold--we live in the Wash dc area--very hot/humid.
 
During the winter, we did onesie t shirts under T-necks and sweatpants or
overalls.  I say have enough for 1wk, anything more isn't really necessary.
 
Now, he has 3-4 pair of shorts, 1/2 doz t-shirts, sandals, sneaks, 3-4 one-
piece shorts outfits(coveralls, etc)
 
Oh, yeah, we had a pair of velcro close booties for him until he started
walking(9mo).
 
Ellie-mom of Stefan 13mo
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lleut@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger)
Subject: Comfey Carrier
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:58:17 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


A while back Ashley Burns posted a summary about front-carrier's.
Based on this info I decided to buy a comfey carrier and after
a few weeks of tracking down the person that makes them I
finally located her in Boulder, CO.

In case other people are looking to buy a comfey carrier here
is current the information (good until the end of august):

	  Comfey Carrier
	  2888 Bluff St. Box 437
	  Boulder, CO 80301

	  303-449-2879

The woman that makes comfey carriers is Betsy Sites.


(I have no affliation with Comfey Carrier - and don't even own
one yet - but several people on the net really like the product).


---lisa leutenegger
   lleut@watson.ibm.com


(ps - I never got around to thanking everyone for their responses to
      my "why do pj's have to be flame retardant" question last month.
      So belatedly - THANKS!)
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <19350@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
|> By 10:00, I was having a lot of trouble dealing with the contractions,
|> since I wasn't getting any rest between them.  I had hoped to avoid
|> pain medication, since I tend to react very strongly to such things,
|> but I was really hurting and starting to panic slightly.  Marjorie ran
|> interference with the medical staff, and explained that I'd rather
|> have Nubane than Demerol, and they called my OB who okayed it.
|> Apparently, Demerol is more commonly used at the hospital.  

My OB said that they most commonly use Stadol. Any comments on Stadol
vs. Nubane and Demerol? I've heard that it's a newer, better replacement
for Demerol, but that's about all I know.

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 08:13:15 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

efink@unlinfo.unl.edu (evelyn fink) writes:

> Has anyone had a difficult time deciding which of the parent's two
> last names the baby is going to use?   For ideological reasons I feel
> that the baby shouldn't necessarily have the paternal last name.  My
> spouse, the father, actually agrees and is by all accounts perfectly
> willing to let the baby take my last name.  Also, we are *much* closer
> to my family than to his for many reasons.
>
> So, what's the problem???  I worry about how much of a hassle it will
> be in the future.   My father and sister! are going berserk over this;
> they think
> I'm 36 and still rebelling.  I wouldn't want this to be an issue for
> the kid either as he grows up (It's a he-fetus).
>
> Neither of us is exactly happy at the thought of a hyphenated name for
> baby when each of us retains our own.
>
> Any experience on this????
>
> Evelyn
> efink@unl.edu

Some people have mentioned giving the one the father's name, the next one
the mother's name (or vice versa), and so on, down the line. I'd probably
give the first child the name that was easier to spell or sounded better
with the first name the parents had chosen.
As for your family, they will get used to it or not. Basically, it's a
silly thing to fuss over and like a 2YO with a tantrum, just ignore it.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:42:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3247
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Jul27.195446.10195@advtech.uswest.com> diane@advtech.uswest.com writes:
>
>Just to express an alternative viewpoint: I had an epidural for my first
>child, and yes, it helped me relax; I stopped fighting the contractions and
>the labor finally started progressing.  But along with the relief I also
>got an IV, an internal monitor, and (of course) immobility.  I was also
>catheterized post-partum.  It was over 24 hours before I was able to get
>out of bed (and shakily, at that).

Diane--I'm not sure you can attribute your post-partum difficulties to
your use of an epidural.  I had an epidural with my second child, and
was able to get up and walk around less than an hour after the birth.  
I had no catheter, spent one night in the hospital and went home just 
fine the next morning.  Post partum, I felt better after the epidural
than I did with my first labor when I didn't have one.  Among the people 
I know who've opted for an epidural, the experiences have been more like 
mine than yours unless there were other complications.

Judy Drake
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Info from Class on Breastfeeding
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:20:52 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

Want to thank everyone for the info they sent me on breast pumps. And, I
want to pass on some information I got from a class on breast feedfeeding
taught by a lactation consultant from the local hospital (the course was
offered through the hospital).

First off, I was very impressed with the lactation consultant, especially
since she said she is currently nursing her second child (first one nursed
for 14 months). Ah, the voice of experience. And because of her job, she
sees lots of women with lactation problems. Interestingly enough, she said
that no one should have to live with a painful breastfeeding experience
for very long. If it's painful, something is wrong. I asked her what the
failure rate was. She said she sees one woman a year who can't get it to
work. Doesn't quite jive with what I've read on the net. Guess we'll
just have to wait and see.

On the subject of breast pumps, she mentioned that Egnell had come out
with a new hand pump that she thought was the best one around. She said
it can be used just as a hand pump or the tubing could be used with
the Egnell electric pump. I hadn't seen that mentioned in the FAQ or
the mail, so I thought I would pass that along. Should be available
through the Engell rep in your area. Oh, and it costs $20-25, which
is pretty reasonable.

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: birth announcement (very late)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.124120.13743@pdn.paradyne.com> ambrose@paradyne.com (Steve Ambrose) writes:
>In article <9207281405.AA01296@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>> ...
>>That said I'd like to belatedly
>>announce the birth of my daughter:
>>
>>		Elizabeth Rachel "Libby" Linden-Chirlian
>>		September 30, 1991 (10 months on thursday!)
>>		7lbs 9 oz, 21 inches
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@cc.brynmawr.edu
>> Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>If your daughter get married to a guy named, say Joe Smith, will her daughters
>name be "<first-name> <middle-name> Smith-Linden-Chirlian"?  And when her
>granddaughter gets married, will her name be, for instance, "<first> <middle>
>Johnson-Smith-Linden-Chirlian"?  This whole business of giving a kid a dashed
>name is ridiculous.  It is okay, IMHO, for a woman who gets married to have a
>dashed name, but why pass that burden on to an innocent child.
>
>-Steve A.

Steve, How can I put this .... Screw off!

To Lisa, a belated Congatulations to you and welcome to the net.

		 and ignore such unwanted advice from cretins such as Steve A.

Mike N.
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Infants in swimming pools/i
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:07:49 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul22.223500.26575@infonode.ingr.com> reeds@infonode.ingr.com (Steve Reed) writes:
>kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>
>>Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:
>
>>My 2YO son loves being in the water with me. I was wondering what's the
>>method to use to teach him how to hold his breath, or is he too little for
>>this yet?
>
>We have three children and have taken them swimming at very early ages.  
>We were interested in 'teaching' the infants to swim.  We were told by 
>a swimming instructor that indeed babies can swim, but as they lose 
>their baby fat they may not be able to stay afloat anymore (false 
>sense of security).  He said that it is best to start teaching them at
>about four years old.  In the meanwhile, take them to the pool to teach 
>them the 'love' of the water. 
j
>Steve Reed
>uucp!ingr!infonode!reeds


	I am trying to just get her to put her face in the water
	and blow bubbles, to start.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 05:09:25 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
 <1992Jul29.150521.26147@ttinews.tti.com> <4631@crl.LABS.TEK.COM>
 <1992Jul29.211124.8023@novell.com>

the "homosexual" viewpoint does nto preclude the religious one.

i AM a religious person.  very religious, as a matter of fact.
the spiritual dimension of life is of the urmost importance to
me, and i am currently owrking on theological school applications.
and i was one of the people who reacted very negatic=vely to the
bstring of biblical quotes post.  as i said in my response, *I*
do not prosletyze *MY* religion here, and i would like for
orthers to do likewise.  i have noticed that the people who
want to knwo more about paganism email me.

there seems to be a going assumption that "religious" = "devout
christian".  this is false.
                                                -ailsa
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:37:45 -0400 
From: "Shirl G. Grant" <sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Warning!! Re: Perms, Dyes, and Preganacy ????

Charlene states:

Actually, these things are NOT unsafe - it seems beauty schools are way
behind in terms of information. According to my OB, the problem (with
perms) was that they used to use formaldehyde - about 10 - 15 years ago!
Since then, perms etc are perfectly safe to use while pregnant, although
according to my hairdresser, perms often don't take as well on
pregnant women.

So all you pregnant women who are starting to feel the tiniest bit unattractive
and in need of artificial help, go for it if you like!


My warning is "Check first with your OB/midwife/etc.

Some OB's still do not allow this.  Follow their advice.

As for formaldehyde, maybe.  But I know for a fact that these things to
this day burn my nose, that can't possibly be healthy, let alone when being
pregnant.

-Shirl
From: pegasus@aria.Ascend.COM (Larry Starkand)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Babysitter in Los Gatos Area needed
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:44:11 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: misc.kids,ba.general
Organization: Ascend Communications, Alameda CA

Hi:

Apologies if these are not the correct groups to post to, but, here goes.

My wife and I are looking for babysitter recommendations for our 16 month
son. Mostly for Friday or Saturday nights (rarely past 12 Mid.) We live in
Los Gatos but are willing to pick up and/or deliver within a reasonable
distance (say 20 mins.). Also can anybody tell us what is the best way to
select a babysitter (questions to ask,references,etc). Please e-mail the
responses to me and I will post a summary if anybody is interested.

Thanx

L. Starkand
From: weaver@altair.cs.unc.edu (Laura Weaver)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Daycare Reminder
Keywords: Neglect, Daycare
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:38:40 GMT


We just had a very disturbing experience with our daughter's daycare and want
to remind parents:  IF ANYTHING IS DIFFERENT, OUT OF THE ORDINARY, OR EVEN
SLIGHTLY DISTURBING ABOUT YOUR DAYCARE SITUATION, CHECK IT OUT!!!  Also, visit
your child as often as you can.  Drop in unexpectedly at odd hours.  Don't do
what we did and keep dismissing incidents and "strange" things.  If you don't
know the names of the parents of other children at your daycare, find out if
possible.  That way you'll be able to keep informed of any out-of-the-ordinary
events.  

Our daughter wasn't physically or mentally abused (as far as we know), but she
was neglected.  The owner/operator of a family daycare home periodically left
9-11 children under the age of 2 years old solely in the care of a 16 yr-old 
caregiver.  This violates NC laws due to the caregiver's age and legal 
child-to-caregiver ratios (even the outrageously high ratios here in NC).  The
state is working to close down this nursery, but we should have taken our 
daughter out several weeks ago.  What a guilt trip!  I plan to be even more
paranoid in the future. 

Sorry for rambling. We just want to reiterate that YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL when
it comes to getting daycare for your children.  Please don't become complacent
about checking up on your caregiver(s).

Sarah's Mama and Papa
Laura & Paul Weaver
weaver@cs.unc.edu
Computer Science Dept.
UNC-CH
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:16:15 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth interventions--Vital Stats.

As resident demographer, I investigated Alan J.'s question about placental
failure rates.  Unfortunately, I didn't find anything in the vital stat.
reports.  But, on my way I ran across an interesting table on birth
interventions.  The following rates are for 1989, the latest available.  THe
rates represent the use of a specified obstetric procedure per 1,000 live
births.  All rates exclude Louisiana, Nebraska, and Oklahoma.


Amniocentesis                   32.3
Electronic Fetal Monitoring    684.4
Induction of labor              90.4
Stimulation of labor           109.1
Tocolysis (***)                 16.0
Ultrasound                     477.2 (excludes  Illinois)
Illinois)

*** What is this?  Anyone know??

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson)
Subject: God's Family Values
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:57:38 GMT

Reposted with a correction(near bottom):

Now that we have seen what man has to say about children (re: Hillary
Clinton - Family Values), let's see some of what God has to say:

Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long
in the land the LORD your God is giving you"

Proverbs 22:6 "Train a child in the way he should go, and when his is old
he will not depart from it."

Proverbs 22:15 "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of
discipline will drive it far from him."

Ephesians 6:1 "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a 
promise - that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy a long life
on the earth."

And for children and adults:

John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name
of God's one and only Son."

John 3:20 "Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into
the light for fear that his deeds WILL BE be exposed." <--- CORRECTION

I will not answer flames.

David L. Hanson
Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: baby's last name?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:12:32 GMT

Just a question from someone who has no experience in
double last names (hyphenated or otherwise):

What happens in the future when John Michael Doe-Smith marries
Mary Marie Poppins-Johnson?  Do there kids then become little
Doe-Poppins-Smith-Johnsons? or do some of the names get dropped
in which that heritage the was so intentionally ment to be preserved
gets lost in that generation anyways?  And I sure wouldn't want to be
around for the next generation.

No flames please, just curious.

Kathy T.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Musical Tapes For babies/toddlers
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:14:19 GMT
Reply-To: singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer)
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

At 2-1/2, Jeffrey's favorites are:

*  Sharon, Lois, and Bram (however, I think they may be a little
   sophisticated for a 13-month-old...we only discovered them a few
   months ago).

*  Raffi (avoid "Evergreen, Everblue"; it's not intended for kids.
   His "Live in Concert" tape has been a favorite for a long time.)

*  Joanie Bartels (I like "Sillytime Magic").

*  Wee Sing (The original "Wee Sing" is OK; I don't like most of the
   followups. (and Diane doesn't like the original, but likes the others!))

*  Sesame Street tapes...almost any of them.

Tapes that were a bust:

*  Music for Little People's "multicultural" sampler tape.

*  "A Jim Henson Celebration"

One surprise from the library was a Burl Ives tape (I don't remember
the title), which Jeffrey really enjoyed.  I think he might like other
country/folk/bluegrass music, too; we may try some soon, since I'm getting
a bit tired of kiddie tapes.
--  
David Singer -- Internet: singer@almaden.ibm.com   BITNET: SINGER at ALMADEN
                Voice: (408) 927-2509              Fax: (408) 927-4073
(If I needed a disclaimer, I'd put one here.)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Re: Nice Furniture and kids
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:23:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.193445.10704@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> wensel@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sharon Taylor) writes:
> ...
>
>I'll also second the other poster who suggested getting
>fabric colors and patterns that hide stains.  Before you
>buy new furniture, imagine what it will look like with
>grape juice and chip crumbs spilled all over it.  :-)

While I agree that choosing fabric and patterns/colors wisely can help your home 
look better when you have kids, I disagree that you have to have grape juice and 
chip crumbs spilled all over it.  

My kids know that they are supposed to eat at the table and wash up afterwards.
My babysitters know it, too.  Obviously, crumbs and finger marks end up in the 
weirdest places.  But if clean furniture is important to you, make it happen.
Buy slipcovers or look for upholstery which can easily be removed from cushions 
(e.g. with zippers) for cleaning.  Be informed about fabric cleaners, spot 
removers and dry cleaners - The quicker you clean the spot, the less it sets.  
Buy inexpensive throw pillows for the kids to use (We found some tucked behind
the pot carousel in the kitchen!)  And let your kids "help you" use the dust 
buster -mine love to!  

If you would rather be strict about eating on the furniture, don't complain about 
the results.  

From my experience it is usually the parents (who are "being careful") that
spill on the couch!