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From: krusty.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:50:17 GMT
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In article <BzIpzJ.93L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (!  
M.Goutham ) writes:
> It is this attitude of "demanding", sometimes for
> silly reasons, which is preventing the growth of the industry in this  
beautiful state. 

	Growth of industry in Kerala would destroy the ubiquitous greenery  
and natural beauty of the place. But that's another debate altogether...

> POLITICS IN SCHOOLS HAS TO GO.... any comments ??
	
	It's not so much a political influence. Every once in a while,  
there is some legitimate reason for the students going on strike. Not that
I agree with those reasons, but there are times when it is legitimate 
and then the whole state system is on strike. But most of the time, the 
reasons are downright stupid - usually on Fridays, there will be a
strike at the Government Arts College in Trivandrum because the students
want to see the new movie releases at the theatre. 
	Usually it's only a minority who want to strike. But they 
usually provide a reason for the majority not to attend class, and instead
hang out at the theater. Isn't it embarrassing to get home and your
mother asks you why you were home so early (after you see a matinee) and
your neighbor gets home late after class? If the entire college is on 
strike, then there is no problem. You can make sure your neighbor or
relative doesn't study either!!
	The point I'm making here is that I don't think politics is
the entire problem. It started the problem by providing an organised 
students union. But it is out of control - as a result of the lack of 
discipline?
	Let's face it: not every student in Kerala wants to study!! I 
have been ridiculed and made fun of so many times for trying to study,
and ask questions in class. The average malayalee student doesn't want
to study and he doesn't want anybody else to "outshine" him!!!!!!
In short, the average malayalee student is conceited!!!!


> MANCHAPORA GOUTHAM
> mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

TATA!
Sateesh
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From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Mandir,Masjid and Malayali
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:55 CST
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Something very disturbing is happening out there now. It was far more worse
than most people imagined. It was not the breaking down of a dilapidated 
structure that was the main issue, but the countless number of people who
were left dead after that. The agony and anguish of those can only be imagined.

I am not going to debate as to what is the right course of action. After all
the mayhem that resulted was one classical example of such a debate turning 
sour. Maybe tolerance may not be a part of the Indian psyche anymore. And the
end result would be a nation, so full of life and energy, plunging into civil
war.

I have heard many a time that one specific community should quit the country and
move across the borders. And someone mentioned that otherwise each of them will
be hacked to death. (Hitler hardly finished 3 million. We are talking about
143 million now.) Unfortunate that  the available human resources cannot be
utilized in a constructive manner and thinking has gone in a direction of 
wasting away human lives.

Many years ago, riots were something that most Keralites thought that was only
something that happened "up north". Today we are not very far away from it.
Our neighbouring states are already deep into it. Though still there were only
fewer incidents, the thought of rioting propagating right through our minds
is disturbing enough. 

I remember the first time riots happened in Trivandrum. December 30, 1982.
For three or four days, the city fell into stupor. And then tensions had died
for sometime, but the riots again started in 1992. May be that we are still
learning the ground rules of rioting and arson. Our riots still use ancient
weapons like knives, cycle chains, swords etc. We are not in a position where
a weaker man could trust his life on the squeeze of a trigger....

Maybe those days are not very far away. We are a state that has the potential
of becoming a place where "anybody fights somebody, and somebody fights 
everybody and everybody fights nobody". 

In Alaska everybody carried a gun. The only time when I was searched, was when
I was about to enter a bank. And people are very nice and helpful. And Fairbanks
Police had only 3 murders to solve in one year.

Maybe that is why somebody said that "An armed society is a polite society"

Sincerely
Michael
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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul" and Math in Mediaeval Kerala
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:48:23 GMT

>But, are there any physical traces (ruins of vihAra's for example) left
>in Kerala?  And while we are on the subject, could someone recommend good
>books on Kerala history, particularly of Mediaeval and Ancient Kerala?

It is my understanding that Budhism and Jainism thrived in Kerala at
some point in history. I am not aware of any physical traces left.
Jainism can still be found, especially in the norther parts.  There
are a few prominent Jains, like M. P. Veerendra Kumar.  It is a pity
that even those of us who were educated in Kerala has such a poor
understanding of its history. The education system leaves a lot to be
desired. I am in no position to give you references regarding Kerala
history, but if you receive good ones, do share it with this group.

Postings on Kerala mathematicians will be more than welcome!!
I have heard about Madhava, that too recently. It is a pity we are
all so ignorant about our own past.

PJN

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From: spandian@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vaisnavi)
Subject: Lyrics of a Malayalam song needed
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:26:19 GMT

     I need the lyrics of the Malayalam song
       "n~aan oru Powrnami.."
 performed by S.Janaki. I don't remember the
 name of the movie this song occurs.. 
     Your help is appreciated.

 - Vaisnavi.
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From: gvp
Subject: Re: TRADE UNIONS 
Keywords: Attimari
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:05:40 GMT

The major problem seems to be the unique concept of Attimari.
Here are two instances of this weird practice.
-----------------
1. A tamilian comes to TVM on the KSTRC. When he climbs up the bus and brings down a jackfruit by himself he is asked to pay Rs X as Attimari. He tries to reason that the fruit costs less than that and besides, he cannot afford it. Our "paavapettah thozhilalies" surround him and try to manhandle him. Unfortunately for our heroes our man happened to be kaleri expert and with the fruit on his head single handedly beats the pulp out of the thugs.

2. A duck trader brings a truck full of ducks to the palayam market. As the ducks march down the plank from the truck to the ground the trader observes a "paavapettah thozhilali" standing by the plank and counting the ducks. When all the ducks are down our hero asks the trader to pay Rs X as Attimari. Unfortunately the trader was not a kaleri expert. :-)
------------------

I read that similar thuggery is prevalent in the new york trucking business too, but at least it is illegal and the FBI goes after them once in a while.

gvp
 
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From: g9133666@cs.uow.edu.au (Moothedath Padmaraj)
Subject: Re: Is there any communal rioting in Kerala?
Keywords: Communal Rioting
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:20:09 GMT

avs@adam.adelaide.edu.au (A.V.Sivaprasad) writes:

>        Does anyone know the current situation in Kerala,
>regarding the communal rioting? Hope we, the Malayalees, will
>show some sense.

>        Also, what about the Malayalees (and Indians) in Middle East?

Kerala is back to normal now. Earlier there was some cases of arson from
malapuram dist, but I am not sure about the casualities. On the whole I feel
that the situation in kerala was controllable and was not as hopeless as the
rest of the country.Inspite of the emergence of certain fundementalist
elements Kerala has once again proved to be among the saner states of India.
I got the above information from my sister in Kozhikode.

L8r folks

padmaraj
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From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul"
Reply-To: aknair@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:28:13 GMT


I think it was Mannadey who sang  aathmavidyaalayame...

Ajit
From: mathew@remus.rutgers.edu (mathew)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: malayalee pronunciation of Eng. alphabet
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:08:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

hello fellow ackers,
      a while back on sci (before ack) someone posted  a listing of
the english alphabet as pronounced by "real" malayalees.  I found it
extremely amusing and I was wondering if someone could repost it.

-Thanks
	Sajee
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: a/k: magazine format.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:35:54 -0600
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Paul:

EVerything seems to be going fine.
Everyone on the list has connected.


To start off the discussion lets talk about the format that 
we want to have in the magazine. That is what kind of articles do
we get and how many etc.

How many of you think the malayalam manorama class of magazines
are a good base to start ?
I mean I know they are hardly literary class acts but tehy manage to
be very very popular. 

I think we can focus much better if we answer the question:

What does the average acker want to read ?
Lets start talking about what we think the user wants to see.
Another tack woyuld be to identify why the manorama class of
magazines are so popular.
Feel free to discuss anything.

Lets get to work.
Once we have teh format ready, we can begin to focus on different
areas of the magazine so some amount of parallel processing can
take place.

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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Monisha
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:48:34 GMT
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Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc


The following is from India Abroad dated December 11.

   SHERTALLAI, Kerala (PTI) - Monisha Unni, a Malayalam film heroine and the
youngest to win the Urvashi best-actress award, died in a car accident
on the national highway here early Dec. 5. 
   The car carrying the 21-year old Monisha and her mother, who were returning
from Thiruvananthapuram after a film shooting, collided head on with a Kerala
Roadways bus at a bypass junction. The actress and her driver, Sreekumar,
were taken to a nearby hospital, where both died later.
    Pramod, said to be a film financier from Calcutta, who was also in the car, 
was treated at the Medical Trust Hospital in Kochi for serious head injuries.
    Monisha's mother, Sreedevi Unni, also an actress, was hospitalized here 
with injuries.
    Monisha, a talented Bharatanatyam and Mohiniyattam dancer, caught attention 
in the 80s with her first film, "Nakha Kshathangal" which fetched her the national
award at 16.
    She appeared in over 20 films in the last few years, many of them box-office 
hits and widely acclaimed by critics. She also received several awards.
    "Perumthachan", Kamala Dalam", and "Kadavu" were among the memorable films. 
In "Kadavu", directed by M.T. Vasudevan Nair, which won an award as best 
regional film, her parents were in the cast.
    Monisha also appeared in a few Tamil films. In Malayalam she worked with almost
all the popular actors, including Mohanlal and Mammooty.
    Besides her parents, she is survived by a younger brother.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:12:33 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Buddhists in Kerala

I remember somebody writing on the net that Kodungalloor and Sabarimala
were possibly Buddhist Viharas.  The writer opined that the origin of
Bharanippattu has to do a lot with the attempts to bully the Buddhist
Bhikshus out of Kodungallor.  He had also referred to the odd posture of
Sabarimala Ayyappan.

Prathapan
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:04:29 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Kerala and Human Development 

So much is said and discussed about the "progress" Kerala has made.  In
my opinion (historical advantages apart) the full credit to this
artificial progress goes to two mostly invisible sections of our
society.  The Marunaadan Malayalees who vacated their fair share of
space, and the resilient and hard working Malayalee farmer who made gold
out of available space.  Barring them Kerala today is a welfare society
immersed in consumerism with little or no productivity.  We live in a
society which  is yet to recover from that feudal mentality:  
 "Annadhaathavaya Ponnunthampuran".  The ponnuthampuran today is the
Government (I am quoting this from an article by Zacharia in India
Today, I shall try to post a translation of that article later.  In the
same article, he wonders if the drop in population growth is another
example of lack of "productivity")

Bashing the labor mafia (as some one pointed out) is also fashionable. 
But  the truth remains that the prevailing wages in Kerala is fair
compared to the unfair wages paid in other states.  We need more
industries:  but it should not be at the cost of laborers.

It is interesting to visualize the situation when all the Marunaadan
Malayalees (who make up a third of the population) return to Kerala for
good!!

Prathapan  


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From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Subject: Re: Hello
Reply-To: aknair@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:08:27 GMT


	I strongly feel that overdose of politics is the reason why Keralites are not
being able to get the maximum out of college education. The political parties are just using their respective student wings to demonstrate their power.Most of the striks have nothing to do with the students or educational policies.It is really a matter of concern that so many working days are lost due to strikes.How can a teacher or Prof
teach effectively without knowing beforehand how many working days he will be getting in a semester or year.There should be an academic calender and  should be strictly followed.A step in the right direction will be to first ban politics in the schools and colleges.I know this will not solve all the problems,but it surely will go a long way in creating an environment for studies.

Ajit Nair
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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: ...ACKer profile...
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.232744.10938@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterg@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Peter George) writes:
>		    Will consider trading an arm and a leg for
>		    jack-fruit, mangoes and Nendra-pazham.

Reasonably good mangoes, mostly Florida variety, are sold in most
Indian stores in the East Coast. Canned jackfuits from Thailand are
also seen, though it never appeared appetizing enough to try.

However, nendra-pazham was available in plenty in regular grocery
stores and Spanish-oriented stores. I am sure California will have
them in every grocery store. The pacha-kayas are really great, but the
ripe ones aren't that good. They are decent boiled (pazhanurukku or
pazham puzhungiyath) or baked! Place a washed whole nendrappazham in
the oven and turn the broiler on for some time. Turn it around as one
side starts getting black. It tastes great and needs little attention
if you can get the pazham to begin with.

VAyil kappalOTikkAm, just thinking about it....

Enjoy,

PJN
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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Kerala & Human Development Index - UNDP ranking 1990
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:08:22 GMT
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Thomas Chittooran (TC@dengr.msstate.edu) wrote:

> Punjab         64.3            47.7            2,143           .586
> Kerala         67.6            84.1              829           .651
> 
>        As can be seen, Kerala has the highest HDI inspite of its low
> per capita income, mainly because of its striking achievements in
> life expectancy and literacy rates.

And its low per-capita income is a direct result of its striking
achievements in labour relations.  (No! don't hit me :-).

If only the labour mafia were subdued in Kerala, our industrial
productivity and prosperity would bloom overnight.  As things stand,
industries are terrified of ever setting foot in the state. They know
that each political party is going to hold them to ransom and
eventually shut their plants down.

In any case, Malayalees are only too willing to migrate to the four
corners of the earth to find work. Since industries can still get
productive and educated workers from Kerala while situated in in some
other state, why bother coming to the source and getting screwed by
the mafia?
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From: varma@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rama Varma)
Subject: History of Kerala Books
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:30:32 GMT


I have an old book called "A Survey of Kerala History" by 
A. Sreedhara Menon, Published by the Sahitya Pravarthaka Cooperative
Society and National Book Stall, Kottayam 1967 (Reprinted 1970, 1976).

Decent book. Don't know if it is still in print. Do any of you know
of other books on Kerala history? Or is this one of those frequently
asked questions in this newsgroup?

Varma
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:50:21 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pittsburgh Malayalees

The proposed get together stands cancelled thanks to the snow storm. 
Sorry about that.  It may be reorganized in January 1993.
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: E-mail address of the person who wrote about MAVOOR.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:04:43 -0600
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I forgot to put in the e-mail address of Mr SHankaranarayan
who sent me the article about mavoor.
I recieved a request for his address.

Here it is: sanx@lakshmi.tdc.unisys.co.jp



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From: small.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: The soul has learned!!!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:36:10 GMT
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	I want to thank you all for the response to my request for
the words to the song "Aatma vidyalayamay". 
	I have taken a printout and am struggling to read them. I have
enough difficulty reading ordinary Malayalam (can read, but not 
understand what I read), let alone the transliteration. That's why I 
had asked for the translation, so that I could understand the meaning.
But I guess it must be a very difficult verse to translate.

	Thanks again for the combined effort. And yes, I was an
avasan when I requested it!!

TATA!
Sateesh
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From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: TRADE UNIONS
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:13 CST
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In article <8f=wo6W00iUx45mEV2@andrew.cmu.edu>, Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>rubber much more expensive than Malasian rubber?  Either somebody is
>making a kill or our productivity is dismal.  It is not the
>responsibility of the worker alone to improve productivity.

Is it productivity or is it quality?

>jobs.  They are answerable only to their politician boss.  The
>frustration and cynicism created by the corrupt political system should
>shoulder the full responsibility for driving Kerala to the present
>situation.

Yes!! Absolutely!!

> 
>Prathapan
> 
>  
> 
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