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From: fielding@simplon.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding)
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:41:11 GMT

Donald Mackie <donald_mackie@med.umich.edu> writes:

>Traditional (and much appreciated by our guests) roast lamb with roast
>potatoes, roast pumpkin (new idea for most Americans) roast parsnip and
>peas. Trim with gravy (NOT 'au jus') and mint sauce. Stud the lamb with
>garlic slices before cooking and pit a sprig of rosemary on top. This to
>be followed by a pavlova, properly topped with passion fruit pulp and
>kiwi fruit slices.

Oh man...you've got me drooling on my keyboard.

But, what about the Kumeras?  (Has anyone seen them outside NZ????)


......Roy Fielding    ICS Grad Student, University of California, Irvine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Cant send money into NZ!
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:39:10 GMT
Organization: The Cserver at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch (Paul Burkimsher) writes:

> I recently tried to Giro some money to an address in New Zealand (it
> was a magazine subscription actually). To my surprise, the Swiss Post
> Office (PTT) refused the transaction - New Zealand was not on their
> list of "supported" countries. Nor was Australia even, though most of South
> Pacific, South America and even the Falklands were on the list. 
 
 Well this is a mystry to say the leaste. All NZ based banks are SWIFT
 users so any bank world wide can send a MT100 (Telegraphic transfer)
 or MT102.  For that matter a simple Bank Draft can be sent with no
 problem at all.
 
 I would be interested who the Swiss PO bank is ? SBC (Swiss Banking 
 Corp)? If so we talk to them on a daily basis.
 
 Jon Clarke
 HongkongBank New Zealand


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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:59:48 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9301270502.AA150880@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org>, Chris_Rolleston@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Rolleston) writes:
> I was thinking of a hangi but that'd probably be a problem from
> an apartment eh?
> 
> Cheers
> X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X 
> X X X
> X    Chris Rolleston, 2 Westmeath Street, Porirua WN6291, New Zealand. 

Ah,  but you can buy Hangi 'BBQs',  which I've seen on tv.  These are like
upright cylinders with a heavy base of specially-chosen stones etc,  which are
heated up somehow and then the food is placed on top (inside the cyclinder) and
left for a few hours.  Apparently the taste is the same as the conventional
hangis.

Where you buy them,  I wouldn't have a clue.

Jonathan Dodd.
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Moa spotted in South Island???
Date: 29 Jan 93 13:44:40 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan28.151730.13485@waikato.ac.nz>, mfaville@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> In article <Zq6ZXB4w165w@actrix.co.at>, paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>> I heard that someone has spotted (and photographed!) a moa in the South
>> Island.  Is this verified?  Any more details?  Inquiring minds etc.
>> 
>> --
> 
> Yes, but that's nothing.  A small herd of brontosuari wandered through my
> office yesterday afternoon.  Someone should tell the Queen.
> 
>> paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
>> Home Office in Vienna, Austria
> 
> Marty.
> 
Dinosaurs in Australia?  I thought Paul McArtney wasn't touring till March!

Jonathan,
Hamilton Metropolis,
NZ.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: Moa spotted in South Island???
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:31:53 GMT

In article <Zq6ZXB4w165w@actrix.co.at>, paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
writes:
> I heard that someone has spotted (and photographed!) a moa in the South
> Island.  Is this verified?  Any more details?  Inquiring minds etc.
> 
> --
> paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
> Home Office in Vienna, Austria

I heard this too, but I'm fairly skeptical.  Does
anyone have anymore information?

R Turner
From: chris.rolleston@stargate.actrix.gen.nz (Chris Rolleston) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Stargate BBS - Wellington, NZ - +64 4 566-2157
Reply-To: chris.rolleston@stargate.actrix.gen.nz (Chris Rolleston) 


> For desert, I love my Pavlova with fresh kiwifruit or traditional
> Apple Pie.

He might have a hard time convincing americans that Apple Pie is
traditional kiwi cuisine, maybe if it was made with ENZA apples.

And don't forget the Steinlager 

Yours crosseyedly %)

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From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz (Red)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:15:56 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Distribution: world
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <9.479.uupcb@stargate.actrix.gen.nz>, chris.rolleston@stargate.actrix.gen.nz (Chris Rolleston)  writes:
>
>And don't forget the Steinlager 
>
>Yours crosseyedly %)

Rather than risk a hangover the next day, on the gassy stuff try
a Mac's Gold instead you will be pleasantly surpised.

--
Red

Try standing on your head to see the arsehole of the world's perspective - ME
Red is better - Jarboe

The wild wind ripples our tent roof flag like an old man picking plastic bags
A distant howl of muffled roar a transfixed crowd entralled by more
Moutain Rock II - Darrell Ward (Goatrider - vocalist, fire eater)
From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:45:36 ECT
Distribution: nz
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria

P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz (Phil Etheridge) writes:

> How about paua fritters?  I believe paua is exported to the 'States, if the
> reports about shellfish contamination are anything to go by.  Unfortuately,
> the last I heard, paua exports have been temporarily banned as well.

Wasn't the taking of many types of shell fish from around the North
Island coast banned because of contamination from an algal bloom?

--
paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Home Office in Vienna, Austria
From: richardh@episun.epidem.uwa.edu.au (Richard Hockey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:46:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Public Health
NNTP-Posting-Host: ax2rh.epidem.uwa.edu.au

In article <P.Etheridge-260193141338@130.123.3.69> P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz (Phil Etheridge) writes:
>From: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz (Phil Etheridge)
>Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
>Date: 26 Jan 93 01:21:22 GMT
>Phil Ngan (nganp@ohsu.edu) wrote:
>
>> I'm a New Zealander working in the States for a while. I've asked several  
>> friends around to my apartment for a NZ dinner. I invite suggestions as to  
>> what constitutes NZ home cooking 'cuisine' so that my guests can  
>> experience an authentic taste of Aotearoa.
>
>How about paua fritters?  I believe paua is exported to the 'States, if the
>reports about shellfish contamination are anything to go by.  Unfortuately,
>the last I heard, paua exports have been temporarily banned as well.
>
>Most non-native residents I've met have found paua patties delicious.

What about white bait fritters?
 we can occassionally get NZ white bait here not the same as the local white
 bait which look like small minnows and the bones get stuck in your teeth.
From: moir@cs.umd.edu (Mark Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:51:21 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1993Jan25.105256.2128@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> mrichardson@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.093457.13405@waikato.ac.nz>, hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> In article <1jrl75INN3a4@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Donald Mackie <donald_mackie@med.umich.edu> writes:
>> 4. Add water a little at a time stiring well to avoid lumps. 
>
>4A. Horrible Omission: lob in some Vegemite/Marmite for flavour and 
>colour
>

Presumably you mean that this idea was omitted, and is horrible, not
that it was horrible to omit it!   :-)  I'm getting bloody hungry -
I think I'll go and eat some horrible American food, and cry into
a horrible American beer.

Cheers

Mark



Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Nuisance Mail Control
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.america
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:27:05 GMT

I am sure the 'old birds' of the net is not unfamiliar with a person called
Dwight Joe.  For those of you who are new, you might be surprised, shocked,
or even repulsed and insulted by Dwight Joe's latest 'infection' of our still
young newsgroup.  It is a sad day that this is happening, indeed.   There 
seems to be no way to stop him, but as you must learn, sooner or later,  the
best way to deal with this guy is to ignore him; just treat his writings as
junk, the mad rumbling of an insane, misguided mind.  Now, you won't waste
your time going to Woodbridge Hospital to argue with the inmates there, will
you?  So in the same way, don't waste your time entertaining the poor soul
Dwight.  This person is notorious for his stinking racist (esp anti-Chinese)
remarks, and he ENJOYS THE ATTENTION he is getting.  He is not going to
listen to what you have to say in reply, he is just interested in making you
irritated.

(For our non-Singaporean readers, 'oldbirds' is a term equivalent to veterans,
while Woodbridge Hospital is where our mentally handicap people goes for
treatment)

This brings to mind, is soc.culture.singapore maintained by someone in NUS?
If so, couldn't we, by popular vote, chose to filter out certain really
disgusting mails, like those of Dwight Joe's?  This will save lots of people
on this newsgroup of the agony of reading those mails.


Dennis Lee Yong Wee
Stanford University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: The Best is Yet To Be (ACS)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:13:47 GMT

 (esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu) wrote:
: 
: My God, there are so many of you guys (ACSians) distributed all over the
: world --- US, England,  Newfoundland, what else could I ask for ...
: Well, it's a small world, I guess.  
: 
: Allow me to send this greeting to all of you ACSians: "Happy & a
: Prosperous Chinese New Year."
: And to bring a little of  our old sentiments back to live:
: 
: 	"Sing ACS for forevermore,
: 	Our ACS forever,
: 	God save our land and heaven bless,
: 	Our ACS forever!"
: 
: --
: Arthur K. S. Yeo
: E-mail		: ESL_Manager@UH.Edu 	(Work)
: 		  akyeo@cs.uh.edu	(Research) 
: 		  AksYeo@UH.Edu		(Others)
: U.S. Mail	: Attn: ESL Manager (Arthur Yeo)
: 		  Campus-wide Software Library Grant (CSLG)
: 		  University of Houston - University Park 
: 		  Houston, TX. 77204-1961 
: 
:

I was an ACPS boy. But due to my lack of intelligent I was kicked out
because ACS didn't (and still don't ) have any class for Normal stream.
My so-called-lousy government school, Balestier Hill Technical School,
gave me a chance for an education. When I was transfered back to express
stream, I didn't want to go back to ACS anymore. Simple because, ACS
didn't want a stupid person like me. I didn't want ACS anymore. 

And you know what? I went to ACJC. Thank goodness there isn't any AC
University of Express-Student Only.

My life was indeed a tragic.

Wilfred Ling 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: an1975@anon.penet.fi (I. AMI)
Subject: Lecturing Lecturers
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.singapore
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:02:16 GMT

sa2263263@v9000 (ROLAND U) writes:


> has to go for "teaching lesson". Some of the lecturers and tutors here have
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> truely horrendous teaching habits. It's quite common over here as SAS,NTU
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The same applies to the students too. 


> to have horror stories of lousy lecturers who would use the entire hour
> to explain something only to go " Errr..I think I made a mistake up there "
> at the last minute. What's worse, they love to use chicken scrawl and talk
> with such thick accents its almost impossible to make out what they're saying.

Heard of ``oar see ng chuch lai tei ngang''.   I thought only American
kids complain about thick accent!.  I had a wide range of lecturers
when I was a student but I never had problem getting what they say.
The problem  must be with the listener then? Talk to them, stop them and you
will learn more that way. Not writing to a newsgroup with world wide
distribution and complaining behind their backs.

> Fortunately, we also have such great lecturers that explain everything with
> absolute clarity. We should commend these lecturers and condemn the former.

....aka the spoon feeders.   Remember you control your destiny and
they are there to guide/help you.  It is also ``lonely'' up there.


However I don't mean to say that lecturers should not improve 
their teaching skills but just remember that it takes two.


I. AMI
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
From: sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO)
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:51:29 GMT

In <1993Jan25.172314.3498@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip) writes:

>have sold timber concessions worth millions of dollars to pay debts.
>There have been tales of manslaughter and in one case, murder, with
>allegations made in parliment that a sultan killed his golf caddie.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	I heard this long time ago (> 3 years). Can't confirm it though.
Anyone know who this sultan is?
-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Wey Jing Ho    Tel: 61-3-565-3615   E-mail : sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au<
>  Physics Dept, Monash Univ, Wellington Rd, Clayton, VIC 3168, AUSTRALIA   <
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (A. Yu            )
Subject: Re: What is KIASU?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:43:49 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1993Jan14.150340.420@bmers95.bnr.ca> khor@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.203101.27098@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
>|> Hi people!  Here's an article from ST Life! section.
>|> 
>|> A to Z of Mr Kiasu's philosophy
>|> -------------------------------
>....
>|> M ust not lose face
>|> N ever mind what they think
>....
>Aren't these 2 kind of contradictory?

Yeah! If you dicpher them together.
Actually "Never mind what they think" attitude is duing the process when you
are moving towards a goal.
While "Must not lose face" is do everything right on what others can see,
while behind you can resort to any means. 8-)
satisified?
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   \ o.O                         -Bo Chup King-
   =(___)=               Email	: yu@plains.nodak.edu	
      U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: kevin@iti.gov.sg (Kevin Patt (SE))
Subject: Ignore ... test
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:41:28 GMT

Please ignore .. test.

-Kevin
-- 
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Associate Member of Technical Staff            Singapore 
Email: (Internet) kevin@iti.gov.sg             Tel: (65) 772-0471 
       (BITNet)   kevinpatt@itivax.bitnet      Fax: (65) 779-5966        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: romantic spots in Singapore
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:03:02 GMT

Victor Keong (v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca) wrote:
(top lines deleted)
: 
: 3) Botanical gardens at night....... (never go on Sundays!!!). A definite 
: sizzler!!!
: 
: 
: Hope that helps. :-)
: 
No way!!! Botanic is the worst place to go. If you insist on going, wear
a protective suit that covers every molecules of your cells. Coat your
suit with the most poisonous liquid you can find. The mosquetos are terrorist!

Wilfred Ling


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: law40013@nusunix1.nus.sg (LIEW CHIH YUAN)
Subject: Re: Differences between Singaporen Cantonese and Hongkong Cantonese ?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:18:46 GMT

Is there really a difference? I think the problem with Singapore
Cantonese is because of our many varied dialects and other languages
spoken in Singapore. In HK, where I have spent a considerable amount of
time, the prevailing language used is Cantonese, even among people who
are not native Cantonese (ngoi sang yan - literally - the people from
the other districts.

Personally, the HK version of Cantonese and English are so much more
pleasant to the ears. The Singapore version smacks of too much
adulteration and corruption. Wish I can rid myself of the lousy accent.

Steve (ex-HKie) Liew.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng)
Subject: Re: CONGRDULATIONS
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:33:16 GMT

sum@aslan.uk.sun.com (Sum Mah - Sun UK - Bristol Systems Engineer) writes:
: In article 5017@news.acns.nwu.edu, dleong@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dennis Leong) writes:
: :It is great that we finally have a newsgroup of our own.  From what I
: :understand back home, only the privileged few in the universities and computer
: :boards have access. 
: :
: 
: ..not just those, but I expect the Sun Microsystems office in S'pore
: can read news as well, like all Sun offices.
: 
: They are part of the Sun's Wide Area Network (SWAN) - to the effect
: that I've ran a 'talk' session between my workstation and my opposite
: numbner in the S'pore office just as he's preparing to go home 6:00pm
: S'pore time.

For SUN, IBM and probably many other MNCs, their link to the internet is
probably via their own internal WAN. Their comms from Singapore probably
run to States via leased line and then to the internet - taking the "long"
way round so to speak.

I can't remember what's the fee ($200/mth???) but corporate users can
now indeed link to internet via technet. The main opposition however is
probably not technical but attitudinal. I remember suggesting it to some
developmental people in a Jap MNC and the response was something akin to
"huh? what for?".

jin meng
From: lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leslie Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: exchange rate
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:00:40 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1993Jan22.132828.5264@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
>
>		hi
>
>		anyone know the exchange rate US$ / S$ ?
>		anyway of finding that from the net?
>
>		thanks

You can get financial information from clarinet, specifically
clari.biz.finance. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: sum@aslan.uk.sun.com (Sum Mah - Sun UK - Bristol Systems Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: CONGRDULATIONS
Date: 13 Jan 1993 17:06:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sum@aslan.uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: aslan.uk.sun.com

In article 5017@news.acns.nwu.edu, dleong@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dennis Leong) writes:
:It is great that we finally have a newsgroup of our own.  From what I
:understand back home, only the privileged few in the universities and computer
:boards have access. 
:

..not just those, but I expect the Sun Microsystems office in S'pore
can read news as well, like all Sun offices.

They are part of the Sun's Wide Area Network (SWAN) - to the effect
that I've ran a 'talk' session between my workstation and my opposite
numbner in the S'pore office just as he's preparing to go home 6:00pm
S'pore time.



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Best Regards,
 Sum.
(M'sian ex-pat. in UK)
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