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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:11:44 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: cshow
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> Ok, so now things are progressing, I think.  I have finally
> managed to ftp a .gif file and have it sitting in my 3270
> directory.  I also have CSHOW sitting there, but don't know
> what to do with it.  How do I make it work to view this .gif?
> The .gif file won't work in any of the graphics programs I
> have, for reasons that probably everyone understands but me.
> Any suggestions?
> Please don't say something like "Run CSHOW"....  tell me *how*.
> Thanks.
> --ggs (anxious to get into *seeing* some of these things)

What he said.
Just ask Natalie if I didn't ask almost the same thing last evening.  And
I *still* can't see the gifs.  Guess someday, somehow I'm going to have to
manage to come ftf with some Words-Lers.
doris
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:45:17 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: The Whole Nine Yards

>What is the origin of the expression, "the whole nine yards?"

It undoubtedly refers to the nine yard sari. Around the turn of the
century the cumbersome nine yard sari was going out of fashion all
over the Indian empire, and women chose to wear it only on formal
occasions. Thus, "the whole nine yards" came to mean doing some-
thing "properly". The British Raj veterans brought this phrase back
to Britain.

tushar
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From:         John <GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Orleans

>> Appropos of nothing much:
>> Sitting on the counter in my dressing room is an old fashioned footed
>> bathtub with gold lettering that says "Hotel Monteleone  100th Anniversary
>> 1886-1986."
>> doris
>
>I probably took a bath in that tub.  Did I leave a ring?
>--ggs

You can get extra points for knowing how to pronounce Hotel Monteleone.

JAG
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:24:15 +1000
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: What's in a name?
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>:My sons' father wanted to call his firstborn Peter. I resisted vehemently and
>:finally got my choice of Christopher. In Uneducated Aussie English, '-er' is
>:often 'schwa' and 'th' is reduced to 't'; the vowels in my surname also become
>:an unstressed syllable.... so it was bad enough for me to have to put up with
>:being called 'Carol in bed' without doing that to my son. :-(
>
>I don't get it.  What is your surname anyway?  Have you ever told us?  (It
>isn't in your headers)
>
>G

Some wordslers have in the past referred to my surname, so I assumed it was
in the header..... evidently they must have got it from the members' list or
I've been 'fingered' (Ooooohhh!)..... or they recalled that when I spoke of
my Scottish father-in-law I gave his full name... Ergo! Hmmmm... was that one
of my posts that you deleted by mistake? Just in case it was - it's BAIRD of
the "Glencoe Baird's".

Carolyn
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Susan's Sport/Leisure Question
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>Come on, Susan!!
>(Encouragement from the sidelines.)
>
>doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)

I think she'll need a bit more than encouragement to get this one.... I don't
know the answer to it myself since I haven't looked at the back of the card
yet.

Carolyn
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:58:33 GMT
From:         Graham Toal
              <gtoal%rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk%kate.ibmpcug.co.uk@KATE.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Holidays
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:I was appalled to discover a few days ago that mail from Mississippi State,
:MS, is going to have Columbus postmarks on it from now on.  What's the point
:of shuffling mail away to another town for a postmark?  What was the postmark
:on the McComb card, Dan?  It was mailed in McComb.

Perhaps they'll find it easier to just import the rubber stamps.

Maybe you should suggest it to your friends in the post office
and get them to split the savings with you...

G
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Subject: Re: anniversaries (2
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:33:32 GMT
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              21 Dec 1992 09:00:46 +0000 from <rmcdonell@UCSD.EDU>

>little bit.
>rmcdonell@ucsd.edu

Mr. Mcdonell, welcome back.

* Alt-Brad *
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:14:39 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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> From: torkel@SICS.SE

>   This certainly clarifies what you have in mind when you speak of respecting
> deep beliefs. You have no objection to people declaring other people's
> deeply held beliefs false, revolting, and beneath contempt. What you do
> object to is "mockery" of those deeply held beliefs, where mockery, I
> suppose, typically involves desecration, unseemly levity, sacrilege, parody,
> as typified perhaps by Mel Brooks's treatment of Christian and Nazi beliefs.

Thank you for doing so much thinking for me. It really takes a load
off my shoulders. I suppose you've got it roughly right.

>   With this point clarified, I think it's a reasonable comment that
> your terminology is more than a little misleading. Ordinarily I don't
> think we would say that we "respect" beliefs which we hold in utter
> contempt and condemn in terms appropriate to that attitude.

You may not. I do.

> (Tolerating them is a different matter.)
Depends on what you mean by "tolerate."

> In your terminology, we
> still "respect" those beliefs if we do not make fun of them etc. This
> is an unusual viewpoint, but perhaps you should confirm that it is in
> fact your view?

Why? What difference would it make? You obviously attach a meaning to
the word respect that I don't. I find nothing unusual in my use of
of the word, although I acknowledge that it does have other meanings
with repsect to a whole host of other usages.


> I'm not sure about this in view of your defense of the
> "no mockery" principle:
>
>   >On a legal level, the mockery has to be allowed. As a matter of
>   >good social communication among people of many different backgrounds and
>   >pursuasions who have a lot that is of value to share with each other, it
>   >seems to me there can be no room for it whatsoever, if the full value of
>   >what can be offered is to be available to the participants.
>
> If you invoke "good social communication" I don't see how you distinguish
> between mockery and non-mocking condemnation.

Seems to me, if you want to apprehend what is contained in even the most
repugnant of values, ideas, etc. so you can at least UNDERSTAND them,
(or is that not a worthy pursuit?) then you're not likely to get very
far if you mock them, least of all are you likely to affect the thinking
of the person whose ideas you find so contemptible. Surely this is all
common sense!!!???

Perhaps I've gotten jaded with the stock responses  my various assertions
tend to provoke. Can't somebody come up with something original.
Yawn.
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:32:35 EST
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Posted on 23 Dec 1992 at 22:31:21 by Natalie Maynor
>Judith and I think that we should have a list gathering in New Orleans
>sometime.

I'm ALWAYS up for New Orleans!!!

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:19:36 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Scapular chain
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>   Robicheaux has been arrested and thrown into jail. He has handed over his
> belt and so on to a deputy, "even my scapular chain". What's a scapular
> chain?
>
Torkel, would it perhaps be the chain that is placed over the shoulders
and then down the chest and is attached to handcuffs or steel wrist cuffs?

If Jim Thomas were around, he might know.

doris
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:22:46 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      texas trucks
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              29 Dec 1992 11:13:15 CST from
              <VB7R0046%SMUVM1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:13:15 CST Bud said:
>With all this phallic symbol stuff bout cars, where does a 4-wheel drive Duelly
>P/U with a 8 ton winch, gun rack, 400 horspower and a "SCHWING" bumper sticker
>fit into the scheme of strap on manhood or the real thang.
>
   The bumper sticker proves you're under 23 and have dreams of getting
laid....like certain moovie doods.....the rest of it shows you live in
tex-ass and have the same fantasies as your old man and half the other
texans....

dan
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Blackberries
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>I find it interesting that in the last several years blackberries have begun
>appearing in regular supermarkets here -- farmers have become aware of their
>desirability and I guess can keep them under control, unless they are
>growing a different variety.
>
>Joan

That hasn't happened here yet. I've always thought that it was due to their
short shelf-life... how do your supermarkets cope with that problem? Most
people I know prefer fresh blackberries to the 'semi-cooked' variety that we
can only get in cans. Another fruit that we rarely see in the shops is
Mulberries - they grow very well in this area (a recollection of my childhood)
yet few people have Mulberry trees anymore and they are not marketed even in
tins as far as I know.

Carolyn
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: What's in a name?
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Posted on 22 Dec 1992 at 17:50:21 by LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
>often 'schwa' and 'th' is reduced to 't'; the vowels in my surname also become
>an unstressed syllable.... so it was bad enough for me to have to put up with
>being called 'Carol in bed' without doing that to my son. :-(

What *is* your last name?  Do we know that?  I tend to think of you
(affectionately) as The Wombat, and then for some reason I thought
*that* was your last name. But now I've realized it's your machine.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:45:02 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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        the beliefs of Hitler as much as those of Gandhi.This was the view I
        supposed lay behind your original complaint, and this is the view I
        reject. Mere depth of belief deserves neither respect, nor admiration.

But Torkel, he *has* to claim that deep belief deserves respect, otherwise
he's on a very sticky wicket with his own beliefs which have absolutely
nothing going for them except conviction in their irrationality. Unless
he affords the same respect to the opposition, he has no moral high ground
to occupy to ram his own holier than thou shit down our throats.

G
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              29 Dec 1992 11:02:00 EST from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

A BB is a standard size of lead pellet that measures 7/40 of and inch (.44 cm)
in diameter, weighs .33 tinygrams, is used in air rifles to shoot out the
neighbors windows so dad has to pay for it and you mow yards for the summer to
pay him back, and to generally just look cool while playing army in your
plastic helmet when your 8 yrs. old.

                            Bud
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In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>>though.  When I see a man driving a Corvette, for example, I think "How sad.
>
>Oh oh ....I've never driven a Corvette ....but always wanted to.
>
Anything's better than that old land yacht?:-)  I drove my dad's Crown
Vic around today; it rides beautifully, but it's too big to park!  Corvettes
at least can fit into a normal parking space....   I'd prefer a vintage
Jag, m'self - racing green.:-)
 
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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From:         "Thomas J. Lee" <tjl9@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Camillemania
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        Limbaugh, Clay, and Paglia have all figured out that making
people angry at you gets you attention, lectures, TV shows, money, etc.
Their goal seems to be making liberals angry, not conducting any sort
of rational argument, and it's paying off big time.  In this respect
they resemble people who start network flame wars for fun (can you say
GS?).

Take care,
Tom Lee
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Date:         Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:36:44 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Curls
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              26 Dec 92 09:10:55 -0600. <9212261516.AA12605@sics.se>

  >Curls are done when you hold a dumbbell in your hand, palm-side up, and
  >flex your arm towards and away from your head. The biceps are the primary
  >beneficiaries of this exercise, but the triceps also get a little work.
  >You can curl standing, with arms at sides, or seated, with arms in front
  >of you on a table or other support.

  Thanks, Anne. Almost I see before me your subtly well-defined biceps,
and the hint of menace in your sleek triceps.
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Goofing off Saturday
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>YES...this year may be just the lights and the wrapping paper for
>Patricia, but I think there will be a good bit of childhood revisiting
>going on.  This year I was in a toy store that had all sorts of dollhouses
>and toys that will come somewhere on down the line...I can hardly wait!
>ndh

I still have a few more years of toy shopping for Helen to go yet and I'm
hoping that I will have grandkid's toys to play with before that time is up.
I've only had 2 years out of the last 20+ years of being without a child to
buy toys for at Christmas and that was too often..... the boys all started
asking for more 'sensible' and more expensive gifts around the age of 9.

Carolyn
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Questions
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:46:36 +0100 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:
>leaves a whole box of the things because he has a guilty conscience.

   right....a BOX of them would have 24 or so of the individually wrapped
ones like come in a candy machine or sold individually in stores...
   all the wareho7use market places sell them by the box....

>
>  Yes, they pass through Raton, which as we all know is way up north in
>New Mexico.

   yup...they probably go through amarillo and then on across to springer
or des moines.....

>  But if so, is this somehow significant?

   well, worn is important....a drugstore cowboy would have shiny new ones
that had never been used...and as someone suggested,t he idea of worn heels
would mean more walking than riding....which could be important to the
description....

>   b) "When you were a cop...how many guys were on a pad?"

   as my suggestion was....they're on the take....paid off....

>  They're the same size here. But what is the derivation of "BB"?

   at some point there was/is a classification of some sort....like
sizes bb, aa, b, a, etc....

dan
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:19:59 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      No Honda of the Sun for Me
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While table cloth shopping in Columbus this afternoon, I stopped by the
Honda place and looked at Civic del Sols.  Although I found them cute, I
thought of several serious drawbacks.  When I started thinking about how
easy it was last summer to toss half my worldly possessions into the car
instead of figuring out exactly what I'd need on the trip, I realized that
driving a Civic del Sol on a trip would require packing as if you were
flying.  More serious than that problem is that it would have taken me at
least twice as long to get to the clambake in the red del Sol I was looking
at today because I would either have had to drive half as fast or I would
have been stopped by the highway patrol every few miles.  That car exudes
vibes of "I like to speed."  The vibes coming from my staid and stodgy Civic
Wagon, OTOH, say "Who me?  Speed?  No way.  You must just *think* I'm going
110."  One last thought that crossed my mind was that having a topless car
would be pretty dumb since I would rarely have occasion to drive it topless.
My old and cancerous skin is supposed to avoid the sun, and my old and blind
eyes don't like to drive very far at night.  So when would I enjoy its
open top?  I guess I could hop into and race madly around at twilight every
day.

All things considered, I guess I'll keep my boring car for a while longer.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:29:12 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: More songs about buildings and food
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> I've never heard of 'English Peas' in all my life.  Sorry.  Must be
> an American thang.

Neither had Judith heard of them, but she had eaten them all her life.
You probably have too.  It's the name that I discovered to be regional --
not the pea.  Cans of them in grocery stores say "sweet peas."  I've never
heard them called anything but English peas by normal people, though.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ll23%nemomus@academic.nemostate.edu (Karen Kay)
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Posted on 28 Dec 1992 at 14:09:48 by torkel@SICS.SE
>  Zwieback, however spelled, is unknown here. But then, I bet you're
>unfamiliar with semlor, also known as fettisdagsbullar!

I was going to say something about lefsa, but I guess that is Norwegian?

Karen
who has a bad cold
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:10:41 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Free Your Mind
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On Mon, 21 Dec 1992, Emily Horning wrote:

> ...And the rest will follow (?)
> Be color blind, don't be so shallow.
>
> > -abh
>
> Is that the one?

Yes...Marty, your turn.

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:44:36 EST
From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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Posted on 24 Dec 1992 at 21:03:44 by Peter Montgomery
>With due respect for the difficulties and dangers of pregnancy,
>I don't recall having heard that it has an aura of certain doom
>about it. In fact, mostly I've heard of associations of joy.

I haven't had a baby, Peter, but I do believe that there is a
reason why labor is called that--and it has nothing to do w/ joy!

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:09:39 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Revelation
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On the Feast of the Blessed Virgin:

Revelations 12:1-6  [King James]

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be
delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them
to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be
delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod
of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to]  his throne.

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:13:37 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Michael Medved
              28 Dec 1992 22:16:40 -0800 from <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>

Peter,
  All I can tell you about Michael Medved is that the New Republic
panned his book and the National Review praised it.

Evelyn (I'm a Siskel and Ebert fan)
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