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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 92 13:19:13 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      NB 4.0 loaded high
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Loading NB 4.0 on UMB ('high') creates problems with NB 4.0
customization programs. If you wish to create a new textbase
(Orbis), or re-run parts of the installation procedure,
the pgm gets stuck with 'unable to allocate memory', and
consequenly does not execute the desired command(s). This
is of course disappointing, but not completely cureless, since
you can modify your batch file to run with various switches,
one of which will be 'load in low memory'...

By the way, NBLINGUA users who are weary of the multilingual
display can load NB 4.0 in monolingual mode if they kept
the first NB.COM created by the pgm before they installed
LINGUA. (Those who haven't can re-install the basics of
NB 4.0 to get this file.) The file should be renamed to
something like NB4.com, then run with a switch from the
batch file. Of course this is a clumsy way (I have implored
NBI to make this possible as a built-in feature, i.e.,
switching between various modules, as 3.1 has allowed),
but at least the monolingual version is not lost for those
who have installed LINGUA.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:51:35 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ORBIS question
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In reply to Mark Szuchman's Orbis query:

I may have misunderstood the message, but it seemed to ask why Orbis
could not access existing indexed textbases created with the NB 3 (or
earlier) textbase utility.  If that is indeed the question, I think
the answer is that the textbases must be re-indexed using Orbis.  I
don't have my final release copy, but it seems to me that with the
beta version I have Orbis needs to do its own indexing--it can't use
the old textbase index format.

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:40:52 PDT
From:         Janice Tanche <USERTANC@UBCMTSG>
Subject:      NB4 + Orbis + Ibid
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This morning, NBI (who are now open for business again) said
they have completed the packaging of NB, Orbis and Ibid.  She
said Ibid was the last "add on" and people who had requested
this configuration will be last to have their orders filled.
I am told they are now shipping the orders and everyone's will
be on its way by the end of the week *absolutely for sure* --
or so she said...Also, these packages are being shipped with a
quick reference guide which she said is very comprehensive (144
pages).  Finally, she tells me they have no word on when the
NB4 manual will be available to us.

BTW, can anyone tell me how much memory NB4+Orbis+Ibid requires
to run?

Janice Tanche
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:53:58 -0400
From:         Tirzah Meacham <meacham@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: LINE NUMBERS IN CRITICAL EDITIONS
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              at Oct 1, 92 4:15 pm

Having just produced a critical edition on NB using line numbers, I
can state there is none. When i was designing the page-- someone told
me how to get line numbers but that wasnt whta I needed although I
thought I did. What i used was margin overrides <XM+3>5<XM-3>. I put
it on a phrase key and zapped in the number of the line. it worked well.
I used hidden foornote markers and developed a layout of producing the
text which looks great. I needed to use hard page breaks. and put a
paragraph break at the end of each line. Thus the text is not
justified. Also, I ended up using paragraph markers-- double P symbol
as separaters since the vertical bar printed more like a large colon.
At any rate scholars press sent me the work yesterday to verify the
pagination which being in a mix of languages sends the pages reading
different directions-- amazingly they got it right.  If you work at
it, you can do a decent edition-- i used three levels of notes the
middle a giant apparatus that wouldnt print right until it did. The
final result is fine-- would i do it again--  NO! but everyone should
-- at least once, makes all your other worries minor in comparison.

herb basser


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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:31:35 GMT

A colleague's spouse just quit Intel to join her here in the Midwest.  I asked 
him at a party, and he said there was theoretically nothing in the 8088 chip to
prevent going beyond 640 K, but that DOS prevented it--that the barrier was a 
matter of software not hardware.

But them, this is a young man whose experience does not go back to 1981. . .

The book Blue Magic is the best account I have seen of the original ibm pc.  I 
just finished drafting a segment on ibm for the 3rd ed. of my business history 
textbook.  Gates bought another Seatttle Company working on an OS, and then 
microsoft did a lotof work on DOS
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 92 10:57:00 PDT
From:         MEDELSTEIN@SCU
Subject:      basic info.
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I'm a new member of the NB User group, and I have a simple, "low-tech"
question for anyone who can answer it.  I'm using NB 3.0, and I'm finally
going to buy a printer.  But the two I'm considering aren't on the
current list of supported printers:  an HP Deskjet 500 and a new Epson
Action Printer 3250.  Does anyone know whether Dragonfly will be able
to send me new printer disks for either of these printers, or whether
I'll have to customize to get either to work?  Also, does anyone know
how much it costs to upgrade to NB4 (which I didn't even know existed
until I joined the group)?  And what about the rumors that Dragonfly
is about to go out of business, so there'll be no future source of NB
support?  I'd appreciate particularly answers about the printer question.
Thank you. Marilyn Edelstein, Dept. of English, Santa Clara University,
Santa Clara, California 95053.
From: mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Marvyn R. Harris)
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Subject: Re: large files into smaller ones
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:07:45 GMT
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>For dividing ZIP files to smaller ZIP files I use ZIPSPLIT.

Though chop31.zip is in <msdos.filutl> on SIMTEL, I don't find
ZIPSLIT there. Sounds like a very useful utility. Does anyone
know where it can be found?

Roy Harris
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:59:59 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: effective use of umb's
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In response to Allan Needell's message about use of UMBs:

I have plenty of room in the upper memory area to load all of my
device drivers *and* the 11K of NB.COM.  I currently load ANSI.SYS,
RAMDRIVE.SYS, Battery Watch, my disk cache, my mouse driver, most of
the code for my shell (4dos), a keystack driver for 4dos, and an
INT24H handler into UMBs, and I still have enough left over to put
NB.COM up there.  Also, I am able to run *both* Ibid. and Orbis at the
same time when I have done this (with a late beta of NB4/Lingua).  I
would welcome any suggestions as to how I might get more utility than
that out of my UMB space...

Incidentally, since I cannot persuade QEMM to run reliably on my AST
laptop, I am doing all of this with the tools available with DOS 5.0 alone.

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Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 09:30:00 CDT
From:         Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject:      NB and Arabic
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As to whether NBI has enough incentive to do the 2% of the work necessary to
enable Lingua to handle Arabic, I would think that access to the enormous
potential market of the Arabic-speaking world would be incentive enough.  After
all, we're not just talking about the needs of scholars here.  I don't know
what these folks currently use to fulfil their word processing needs, but I can
imagine that a program that could be used for Arabic, most of the languages of
Europe, and Hebrew would be very popular.  Maybe King Hassan or King Hussein or
somebody would underwrite the costs.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:27:39 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: Johnny Appleseed
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>From: Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>

>> Do people not educated in US primary schools not know who
>> Johnny Appleseed is?
>> --
>> Robert Braham   |   Graduate School of the City University of New York
>
>   Why in the world would/should they?  Having lived in this country from age
>15 (1940), I've often come across the name, but never got curious enough to
>look it up.  I did just now, and find he's a rather minor icon of American folk
>culture.  I know the Apple... exchange is a light-hearted diversion, and
>don't mean to turn it to the ponderous or tedious, but when our universalist
>assumptions emerge I can't resist rising to the bait.

I am pleased at having started a thread almost as long as the
last non-NB one I started (inadvertently) almost two years ago,
upon wishing Israelis and US soldiers well at the outset of the
Gulf war . . . . and, it seems, in this one too I am being charged,
if I read you correctly, with chauvinist tendencies.

In fact, I purposely wrote that last paragraph knowing that this
is an international list, as a recognition that undoubtedly there
are those who are not familiar w/ the name, and would perhaps
inquire if so moved (one might just as well ask who the hell
is Martin Heidegger or George Gershwin), and learn a pleasant
thought or two about "a minor American cultural icon," as you
put it (the next time Marylin Monroe's birthday comes up, I'll
try to remember if she is on the same level iconologically).

Moreover, I myself could hardly remember
more than a general image of Johnny Appleseed, seed-bag flung over
shoulder, spreading good will and love/bounty of nature, an image
I associate w/ Mrs. Wechsler (z"l"--zichrona lvracha,
may her memory be for a blessing) of P.S. (Public School, for you
non-universalists) 101, and learning how to read.  That I generally
have good feelings towards all things w/ apples, and as a result
look more kindly and benignly on the major secondary information
exchange on this list (as opposed to, say, nectarines--or is
_that_ universalist?) is an additional legacy of this cultural
brainwashing.  Conceivably it was just that original implanting of
the idea of Johhny Appleseed that allowed me later to
explore Thoreau to Whitman to various Romantic-_Waldeinsamkeit_ spiritual
understandings, or even the poetry of Basho: my ultra-nationalist
side taking over, I guess, as I culturally-imperialistically
co-opt the world's riches and view them through the orchard
picket fence blinders.  "Small icon," perhaps, but a Golden
Calf it ain't.  (Didn't even Sarah tuck a few away from Terach
just in case?)

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:22:07 EDT
From:         Buford Norman <N290024@UNIVSCVM>
Subject:      PC Mag on NB
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The current issue of PC Magazine (Oct. 13, 1992, p. 267) includes some nice
comments about NB 4.0 in its piece "DOS lives!".  Fastest and most flexible
program for text entry and editing; fully integrated environment for
managing text; doesn't need Windows for Greek, Hebrey and Cyrillic.  Mostly
a summary of their recent review in which NB received honorable mention.
  The article also includes brief overviews of task switchers, spreadsheets,
communications programs, etc. for DOS.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 02:54:31 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: large files into smaller ones

Tom Settle asks:

>I have yet to find an easy way to break up a large file into smaller
>ones.  In particular I have a 1M file that I would like to break into
>four, more or less equally sized files of about 250K.  "PRINTD" doesn't
>work: all those formatting codes.  And the "copy" command doesn't allow
>specifying pages numbers.

My favorite is CHOP31.EXE--you should be able to find it in the FILUTL
directory on some SIMTEL mirror site. It allows you to specify the
size of the segments (usually number of lines in each). You can then
open adjacent segments in separate windows in NB and adjust the
breaking point of the text to something more useful, like the end of a
paragraph or page.

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
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Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      Re ORBIS question
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Yes, indeed, Ordis wishes to do its own indexing of files previously indexed
in NB3's Textbase.  It leaves the files themselves untouched, but builds its
own vocabulary and entry count.  Depending on how many files have been
previously indexed and the speed of one's machine, it can take several minutes
for Orbis to read and index the files.
Mark D. Szuchman
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Subject:      RE: large files into smaller ones
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              "VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL" at Oct 1, 92 12:52 am

What ive been doing to break up large files is to define what i want
by using f2...f2. and putting SAD on the command line followed by
something like 1, the next by 2 etc.--  I cant do too much or i just
get the cant continuing scrolling jazz. anyways if my files are too
small then I simply say merge 2 to 1 etc -- its not too bad. I find i
have to to do it in SLS Hebrew because if I dont my footnote modes
disintegrate , I average about 300 in ten pages and little freckles
become visible in expanded mode which explain why my cursor is one
place and the letter I type appears further on. Smaller files help
immenseley and when the problems hit, I break up large files into
smaller ones.  I have decided to work in SLS and convert for printing.
Does anyone know if these freckles also inhabit NB4? or am I only
person to be plagued with them?

Herb Basser

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:24:00 IST
From:         Odeda Zlotnick <KPUOZ@HUJIVM1>
Subject:      Re: Memory management question
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Jerome,
DOS will load itself high with a 286, however, in order to use devicehigh, and
to load anything else in UMB you do need a 386, and a program to manage its
Upper Memory Bytes, e.g. DOS 5.0's emm386.exe.
                                                    Odeda.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 19:05:35 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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On Thu, 1 Oct 92 08:20:00 +0200 Michael Shalev said:
>Assuming that, as reported on this list, NB4 still hasn't heard of
>memory above the 640K boundary....

Well, in retrospect, I guess that was my question.  Somewhere along the
line (and I wish I could remember whether it was a conversation with
Dragonfly or in the Wings newsletter) I got the impression that NB4
_would_ make much greater use of expanded memory.  Please don't read this
as another broken promise, since my memory isn't good enough to be sure.
I would simply like to know from beta testers or NB4 recipients, what the
case is.  I am not sure anyone has still posted a definitive answer rather
than a mere assumption.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 92 11:03:18 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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David J. Reimer writes:

> Somebody correct me if I'm wrong (just about a dead cert), but it is
> neither the chip nor IBM who should shoulder blame here, right? I have
> always considered the awkward memory management to be the legacy of Bill
> Gates (the multi-billion dollar man) and Microsoft. The other os's...

Well, actually, no.  The 64K memory segmentation scheme is pretty much
built in to the 8086/8088 CPU architecture.  Intel did that.  The
allocation of the A000 and following range to video memory and ROM was
a decision of the first PC maker.  IBM did that.  And MS-DOS was not
originated by Bill Gates--he shrewdly bought it from its creator
(whose name I don't remember right now) at the right time to market it
to IBM for its original PC and thus tie up the MS-DOS market by being
the one to create it.  The main competitor was a 16-bit version of
CPM, and don't ask me why the decision was made the way it was--CPM
was dominating the micro marketplace at the time, so maybe IBM wanted
to go its own way and create a new marketplace.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 92 10:15:14 EDT
From:         granade@OBU.ARKNET.EDU
Subject:      NB3 & "lh nb"
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I tried NB3 w/"lh nb" immediately upon reading of it on this list, w/the
same results as those reported for NB4.

Ray Granade
Ouachita Baptist University
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There are utilities that do so (I believe one is called "clipper" or so),
and one could write a XPL utility to do so (slowly and clumsily). It
should however be a piece of cake to write a small pascal utility to
do so out of DOS, which allows you to specify the number of parts you
wish and that does not clip in the middle of a word or sentence, but
looks for the next paragraph ending. I'll look into it, and if I make
something like that, I'll post it with a bunch of other (mostly
bibliographical) programs that supplement (or replace) Ibid, that
is, for faster preparation, searching, etc. of references.

Teun A. van Dijk
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:47:43 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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Austin Kerr writes:

> A colleague's spouse just quit Intel to join her here in the
> Midwest.  I asked him at a party, and he said there was theoretically
> nothing in the 8088 chip to prevent going beyond 640 K, but that DOS
> prevented it--that the barrier was a matter of software not hardware.

You do not say what your young acquaintance *did* for Intel, but
surely he erred.  The barrier of the 8088 is not 640K, but rather
1024K--the chip can physically address only 1024K bytes of memory (1
meg).  This includes *everything*, RAM, ROM, video RAM, the whole
enchilada.  The chip can use *only* one meg of address space *total*.

Second, the way that the internal registers are used to actually
address memory locations requires that the memory be addressed in
terms of offset within 64K segments--the oft cursed memory
segmentation scheme used by DOS (and imposed upon it by the
then-existing hardware).

Third, of that 1024K available address space, IBM chose to reserve the
range of addresses above 640K (the A000 and up range) for video memory
and various device memory addresses and system ROM.  It has to go
somewhere, and this address and size is what IBM chose.  Thus what is
left for DOS is that bottom 640K.

A consortium of engineers from Lotus, Intel and Microsoft later came
up with a scheme to use part of that upper reserved address space as a
page frame into which pages of extra memory could be swapped at need.
This is the origin of the so-called "expanded memory" (EMS) device.
Note, however, that this is a strategy for shoehorning extra pages of
memory space temporarily into that 1024K address space so they would
be accessible to the CPU.  The pages of EMS that are not currently
swapped into the page frame are just as invisible to an 8088 as any
other physical memory outside the 1024K memory address space.

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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