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From: cjkuo@locus.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo)
Subject: Re: Chartism -- charlatans?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:32:12 GMT

ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:

>cjkuo@locus.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo) writes:

>>analysis.  I hope that if you read enough of these posts, you'll at least
>>understand it.  Then you can make a judgment for yourself as to whether
>>you believe in it.  That's a separate issue than understanding it.

>>Earlier, in a different debate, I made the mention that technical analysis 
>>was a study of mass psychology, not of charts.  Let me try to translate the 

>How do you deal with the fact that _every_ single time an academic has
>carefully investigated claims by any chartist of "systematically
>beating the market", those claims have been proven false?

I don't.  I have never made any such claim.  In fact, I specifically
mentioned how I got the DOW movement correct while picking the wrong
investment.  Predicting the DOW does nothing for "beating the market."

[stuff deleted.  Summary: Ajay does not like chartists.]

>Considering what is known about prices being a random walk, [...]

The random walk theory is not "known."  It is a theory also.  I'm sure
if you were in a specialist's seat, you would not abide by the random
walk theory.  Or, are you going to tell me that when the futures minus 
cash becomes REALLY BIG, that the stock prices going up at that time is 
just the cause of a random walk?  

All of these things are theories.  By stating that technical analysis is 
a study of mass psychology, I thought I already equate it to the 
unpredictability of human beings.  Then comes an application of the
THEORY of big numbers.

Everyone should realize that all these things are theories.  My purpose
is for you to understand how another group of people might think, or just
me if it turns out that way.  I have never espoused that predicting the 
DOW can be used to make money.  The idea here is to understand how perhaps
another group of people might be thinking.  Then try to get lots of groups
and their thinking.  At some point, you might feel comfortable enough to
plunk down your money one way or another.  But do that only after you've
gathered as many opinions as you can.  Then apply the last theory, shall
I play contrarian?  :-)

Jimmy Kuo
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"The correct answer to an either/or question is both!"
From: jprice@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (James Price)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Yeeee Hiiiiiiiii
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:10:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.5304
Distribution: usa

rjc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (robert.cook) writes:

>This market kind of reminds me of a movie (WWII) where they're dropping "THE
>BOMB" and the boomer won't be able to clear the area.  So Slim Pickens, I
>believe, rides the baby down. 

>Robert

  I believe the movie you are thinking of is _Dr. Strangelove, Or how i
learned to stop worrying and love the bomb_.

James
Net: jprice@jove.cs.pdx.edu       "Justice is incidental to law and order."
Globe: 45 31 25 N 122 40 30 W                          - J. Edgar Hoover
Unity not uniformity | NBC = GE   "Reading musses up my mind." - Henry Ford
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: mpb@troy.uucp (27331-bunz)
Subject: Re: Yeeee Hiiiiiiiii
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:09:55 GMT

In article <18032@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
> In misc.invest, jprice@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (James Price) writes:
> >  Wasnt it Henry Fonda who was in Fail-Safe? As I recall, from the book,
> >we nuked Moscow and then the Prez allowed the Russkies to nuke DC, as
Actually, the USAF dropped the bomb on NYC, the Russians turned down the
request.
> >a payback and in an attempt to make it a "limited" war. The movie had
> >this chilling effect whereas, when DC was nuked, the phone the Prez
> >was using "screamed" as it melted, verfiying to the Russians that DC was
It was the phone in Moscow that melted, resulting in the bombs landing in NYC.
> >really toast.
> 
>      It was New York City, not DC. I believe the President's wife was
> visiting there at the time, so she got zapped.
> 
> 					      Steve


Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: jgay@digi.lonestar.org (john gay)
Subject: Re: Looking for a few good tech stocks
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:20:51 GMT

In article <1547900001@trsvax> don@trsvax.tandy.com writes:
>
>
>[Looking for stock recommendations]
>
>
>OK, I'll bite.
>
>Intel -- recently devalued, but it should be a strong company

I would recommend against Intel.  The reason that it was recently devalued
was because of a small company named Cyrix.  Cyrix has designed a 486 clone.
They are pretty well known for their 387 clone series.  Their first 486 out
(according to quite a few print sources - EE Times, Dallas Morning News,
PC Week, etc) will be a 486SX in a 386SX package.  The chip is pin compatible
with the 386SX and will sell for $119 in quantity 1000 - about the same $$$
as Intel's 386SX, but about 2.5-3 times faster.  Next will probably be
the same 486SX clone in a 386DX package (how hard could it be?).  Then will
come a 486DX clone (they already have a math co-processor and the core CPU),
this at a time when Intel is trying to move their major sells into the 486
market.  This will batter Intel's market share and premiums - like AMD did,
except worse, Intel had the 386 on the market for 3+ years before AMD entered.
Cyrix's vice-president of marketing has said that they will have a faster 586
clone out in 1993 also.  This will give Intel 1-2 years as sole 586 maker
including their production learning curve.  Cyrix is a chip designer - they
do not fab their own chips, they have licensed SGS-Thompson for 387 and 486
production.  Rumor has it that TI will also be sold a 486 production license.

This might also be a good reason against investment in AMD also.

Unfortunately for misc.investors Cyrix is a privately held company.  It is
based in Dallas - hense the reason for the article in the Dallas Morning News.


john gay.                      jgay@digi.lonestar.org

OS/2 - opens the windows for a breath of fresh air.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ff76@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Jhinuk Chowdhury)
Subject: Futures (commodities) and tax returns - Urgent!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:57:42 GMT

This is a question about reporting the net loss (or gain) on a tax return
resulting from trading in futures contracts.

I had always thought that gaines (or losses) from trading futures contracts
were ordinary capital gains (or loss) as in the case of gain/loss from trading
in stocks.  After spending several hours with IRS Publication 550, it seems
that a futures contract is known as a _Section 1256 Contract_ (p. 42, pub 550)
and has to be treated differently, as follows:

1.  "Section 1256 contracts open at the end of the year, or terminated during
the year, are treated as 60% long term and 40% short term, regardless of how
long the contracts were held."  (pg 49, pub 550)           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2.  In order to report a gain or loss from such trades, one must use Form 6781
to figure gains and losses, before entering the amounts on Schedule D (pg 43,
pub 550).

Could some you with experience in theses matters, PLEASE let me know if my
understanding of the matter (as expressed above) is indeed correct?  It's so
close to April 15, and I am panic-sticken as usual.  I would apprreciate a
response *immensely*.   With best regards,      - Jhinuk.

Jhinuk Chowdhury,       FF76@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: cjkuo@locus.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo)
Subject: Re: Correction is now
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 17:15:31 GMT

pettengi@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (James B. Pettengill) writes:

>The Dow was down 60 points on 4/7/92.
>As of lunch time on 4/8/92, the Dow was down another 30 points and
>the Nikkie was around 17125 and falling.

>Is it time to celebrate yet?   (For those of you who are cash liquid)
>Or is it time to cry?          (For those who gambled and rolled craps)

>Any comments?

Why do you celebrate if you are cash liquid?  You didn't make any money.
So the celebration must be sadistic in nature!?  :-)

Jimmy Kuo
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"The correct answer to an either/or question is both!"
Xref: sparky misc.invest:6685 rec.travel.air:278
From: jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: misc.invest,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: United Way, were our money goes...
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:10:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Moore Capital Management, Inc. NYC

Mitch DeFelice <mdefelic@digi.lonestar.org> writes:

	There was an article in Saturday's (4-4-92) Dallas Morning
	News, reporting ex-United Way's ousted president William
	Aramony lavish spending.

	[ ... ]

	o  From 1987 through 1990, United Way spent at least $40,762 for
	   airfare on the Concorde for Aramony or others flying with him.

Hey, that's only about 10 one-way fares.  Not bad for 3 years :-)

/jordan
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: dow@nova2.stanford.edu (Keith Dow)
Subject: Re: Is IBM stock worth buying?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:37:41 GMT

>/subject=Is IBM stock worth buying?

Short term I don't know.

>Is IBM stock worth buying for long term investment? It is at a low. Does anyone 
>feel it will ever go back to the $150+ range?

IBM will shrink more than a factor of ten between now and the
end of the century.  Most of their income is from mainframes.
Mainframes will be dead by the year 1999.  There are several
microprocessors faster than an IBM mainframe now.

If you want more IBM bashing, read the book "Accidental Millionaires"
by Robert Cringley.  In it Bill Gates predicts IBM will die before
1999.
From: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: To tell, or not to tell...
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:33:22 GMT
Reply-To: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/207 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY

Index Number: 21176

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Given a similar situation, I would not state blindness in a
phone call; there just does not seem to be any reason to do
so.  People often form steriotyped opinions ahead of time.
There will be plenty of opportunity to sell your services and
yourself once you get your foot in the door.  I have found
that although people may be taken aback for the first minute
or so if they learn that I am blind, they get over it quickly
enough.  You are right; there are varied opinions on this one,
but this is mine.  Good luck with your venture.  Regards, Les

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From: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Saus)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Valerian Root
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:54:43 GMT
Reply-To: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:376/72.160 - Windows of the Worl, Columbia SC

Index Number: 20842

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

> AS> > I am a quad/paraplegic with
> AS> > terrible muscle spasms quite unlike and much worse
> AS> > than any back spasms
> AS> > I have ever had. Presently the medical establishment has
> AS> > ONLY 3 drugs for treating them: Lioresal, Valium and Dantrium.
> AS>
> AS> I don't think this is correct.  There are other drugs that
> AS> are used for treating muscle spasms

> Unfortunately, this is 100% correct. Ask any spinal cord injury doctor.
> I have been to numerous doctors who specialize in spinal cord injuries
> and the only repertoire they have dispensable to them to alleviate
> spasticity is those drugs I have mentioned.

I stand by my prior comment; stating that these 3 drugs are the
only ones available is just not correct.  Another drug which
quickly comes to mind and is used for treating muscle spastisity
associated with spinal cord injury is Baclofen. This may not be an
appropriate therapy for your particular problem, and may have never
been suggested to you for that reason.  Physicians don't discuss
every drug that is available with a patient, only the ones which
appear to be appropriate for that particular patient; this decision
takes into account not only the particular medical problem for
which treatment is sought, but also other medical problems the
patient may have, and effects and side effects of the drug under
consideration.

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From: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 21080

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DK> i am sure there are some like yourself who feel obedience is
 DK> unnecessary but most the major guide dog schools insist upon
 DK> obedience and for good reason.

Dan, I respectfully disagree.  Most schools do prescribe regular obedience
exercises; especially early on in the relationship between dog and handler.
I do not agree that these are necessary, however, in all cases.

I believe that it depends largely on the personality of the dog and the
frequency with which he/she challenges your status in the relationship.

I conduct obedience exercises infrequently-- if Chance has shown reluctance
to obey me immediately or has blatently disobeyed me, or if he has not
worked for several days.  Otherwise, he has plenty of practice with "sit",
"down", "come" and "stay" in our daily life, from which I can easily gauge
his readiness to obey.

With dogs who tend toward obedience, I firmly beleive that over-doing
obedience exercises can actually damage their willingness to disobey when
it is necessary for your safety.

My dog, like some others, seems to view obedience exercises as a form of
punishment-- and did, even when we conducted them daily. I think it had
nothing, whatsoever, to do with the way I was performing the exercises, as
I was always quick to praise him for obeying quickly and was not tense
about it.  I believe, rather, that it relates to something in the way he
was raised or trained and to his personality. (He's a very "apologetic"
dog, by nature-- quick to look guilty for just about anything.)

Since I have a hard-working, well-mannered dog, I don't think the fact taht
we do not perform these exercises daily or even weekly has, in any way,
effected our working relationship or his behavior in public.

I do, though, think they were quite important over the first two or
three years of our relationship.  they did serve to establish the fact
that I am the "boss."  But, much like people, I think most dogs do not
attempt to re-define the relationship very often after that initial
period of "testing."  For us, I think by the fourth year of working
together, we pretty much understood one another well enough that I do
not question him on street crossings, and he does not question me on
basic commands like "sit."

As with everything doggie, your mileage may vary according to the
individuals involved!

                                                             --Carla

... Read what I mean, not what I write!

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From: Doug.Parisian@f120.n2320.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Parisian)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Double Talk
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:03:57 GMT
Reply-To: Doug.Parisian@f120.n2320.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2320/120 - MicroTalk BBS, Louisville KY

Index Number: 21001

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Just to prove that I am almost true to my word, I have provided the
address of RC systems along with telephone number below, also that of
MicroTalk in case you are interested in ttrying out a demo copy of ASAP.

RC Systems Inc.
121 West Winesap Road
Bothell, WA 98012
Phone 1 206 672-6909

MicroTalk
337 S. Peterson
Louisville, KY
Voice Phone 1 502 897-2705
Modem 1 502 893-2269
Fax 502 895-3022

Sorry I forgot the zap code but you just can't find reliable help these
days.  If you or anyone else wishes to talk to me directly, (only God
knows why you would) my address and phone follow:

Doug Parisian
Entering Your Ear Systems
657 Goulding Street
Winnipeg, Mb.
R3G 2S3
Voice phone 1 204 775-1789
Fax Phone 1 204 783-0055

Of course, I do not accept charges for personal calls like I sometimes
do for my business but I'll say no more about that here since the
moderator may see this as advertising which I am sure go against the
grain of this conference and I assure the moderator that, as much as I
would like the opertunity, that is not my intent here.  . I cannot say
how the Litetalk works with other speech programs but it certainly does
perform well with ASAP--they are a pair made for each other.  I
challenge anyone to beat its total conbination articulateness, speed,
compactness, battery life from full charge, ease of long term
istening, and price.  The higher speed is available in new models with
the chip update).  Litetalk is about the size of a 2 pound
block of cheese but nonedible.  RC Systems does not make LiteTalk but
does make the internal DoubleTalk which has the same features.  You can
get both through MicroTalk.  Retail price I believe is $269 for
Doubletalk & $369 for Litetalk.  I have used both Accent and DoubleTalk
expensively and find the latter much easier to listen to over long
periods of time. Remember, we are talking about half the price for
DoubleTalk & Litetalk which, if the government is paying, may not be a
concern for some. Accent responds faster to keystrokes and is quicker
when asked to speak but I haven't found this to be a big issue. I  now
only use my Accent SA when I loan my LiteTalk to someone for demo
purposes (I handle ASAP for microTalk among other
things.)

 * OLX 2.2 * Chicken heads are the chief food of captive alligators.

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From: Bruce.Toews@f802.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Toews)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:02:48 GMT
Reply-To: Bruce.Toews@f802.n348.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/802 - Andreas Fault Line, Winnipeg MB

Index Number: 20906

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

*** Quoting Steve Matzura to *ALL* ***

SM> I am posting this message in as many places as I can where I
SM> think I might get
SM> some good feedback.  Basically, my question is this:
SM>
SM> If you have a disability that impairs your performance while
SM> pouring liquid
SM> from one vessel to another, then this survey is for you, and I'd
SM> very much
SM> appreciate it if you'd read and respond.
SM>
SM> Here are the questions:
SM>
SM> 1.  Who trained or taught you how to pour liquids--in particular,
SM> hot liquids,
SM> like tea, coffee, etc.--from one vessel (say, a coffeepot or
SM> teakettle) to
SM> another (say, a cup)?
SM>
SM> 2.  What was the methodology used in your instruction (i.e., pour
SM> by weight,
SM> pour by sound, pour by estimation, use your finger, etc.)?
SM>
SM> 3.  Did you stick with that training or instruction afterward, or
SM> did you
SM> simply adhere to the taught techniques to get your instructor off
SM> your back,
SM> then you went off and did what you pleased?
SM>
SM> 4.  What method are you using now? ...

1. My family taught me how to pour liquids.

2. I used one of those things that have the two prongs that stick into the glass, and when a circuit is completed with the liquid, it makes a noise.

3. I adhered to the instruction until I lost the device.

4. I rarely drink hot drinks at all, and when I do, they have usually come from a dispensing machine, or they have been poured for me (i.e. at a restaurant or something). For cold drinks, I use the "stick your finger in the glass" methoc.

Bruce

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From: ori499391817@emunix.emich.edu (Karen B)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: transtracheal oxygenation for emphysema
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: ori499391817@emunix.emich.edu (Karen B)

Index Number: 21019

[Note from Bill McGarry: Is there anyone out there who can help Karen
 or give her some idea of where to go to?]

Bill McGarry,
	I belong to the C+Health discussion list and I am a new user of the
Internet.  I was interested in the subject of transtracheal oxygenation.
In particular, if anyone knows someone who is or has been using this
kind of oxygen support for emphysema. If so, I am interested in knowing
what the clients think of the treatment and how they are doing with it.
I sent this message to the list above and they gave me your address to
subscribe to the Handicap Digest mailing list.  I hope that this is the
appropiate list to subscribe to.  I would like to subscribe if it is.
Thank you for your time.

Karen B.  internet address (ori499391817@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU)
From: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Saus)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Birmingham Pain Clinic Visit #4
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:50:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: handicap.21032
Reply-To: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:376/72.160 - Windows of the Worl, Columbia SC

Index Number: 21032

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

> At the last group meeting, we were informed that becoming
> addicted to pain medication prescribed by a doctor is one of
> the easiest additions. After all, we're just doing what the
> doctor ordered, aren't we?

> I may become addicted to Flexaril.

As far as I know, there is no risk of "addiction" to Flexaril in
the classic sense of the word (ie physical cravings and drug
seeking behavior).  If you want to take it because it reduces pain
that may be a classical psychological reinforcer, but not truly
addiction.

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From: tdober@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Van with wheelchair lift for sale
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:49:58 GMT
Reply-To: tdober@llnl.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: LLNL
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 21005

1978 Dodge van (full size) with:
   - wheelchair lift (Ricon, rear lift)
   - hand controls
   - electrically operated driver's seat (moves forward/backward, up/down)
   - electric parking brake

plus:
   - power steering and brakes
   - automatic transmission
   - tilt and telescope steering wheel
   - power windows
   - power door locks
   - air conditioning
   - AM/FM stereo cassette deck
   - CB radio
   - finished interior with carpeting, custom windows

If you could use a vehicle like this, or know someone who could, please
call (510) 443-5138 for more information.

TDO
From: 34AEJ7D%CMUVM.BITNET@VM1.nodak.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: More Euthanasia Propaganda Cluttering the Net!
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:28:03 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D%CMUVM.BITNET@VM1.nodak.edu (Bill Gorman)

Index Number: 20875

Yup.  Sure enough.  It's election  season! What  the press  likes
to  call the "Silly Season"! True to the stereotype, we are treated
to another broadside of hysteria, distortion, unsupported opinion,
clever editing and propaganda from the "Euthanasia" paranoid
fringe.

Once again,  where are the texts  of the bills  these "They're out
to  get me" screechings are all  about? Considering the volume of
smoke  being blown at us by these  ardent propagandists, it  seems
a small thing  to seek at  least ONE fact  amidst all  the
electioneering. Let's  see  the text  of  some of  this so-called
Euthanasia legislation  -  if it  exists -  in  its original,  full
length, uncut, unedited form without any hysterical
"interpretation" or  silly nonsense about "plots", Hitler, the
Hemlock Society, flying suacers or similar diversionary tactics.

Then the disABLED community can make its own decision, thank you
very much.

Sez me,

W. K. (Bill) Gorman