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From: T00X <T00X@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Dog training camps?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:59:41 GMT

I have never gone to camp but I have many friends who have. They all    u (Gail E. Brookhart) writes:
say that it really is worth it and encourage me to go.

Gail Fisher is offering her Supercamp from July 1-6, 1993 in Manchester,
New Hampshire. The prices are as follows:
              Single: room w/ private bath  $985
                      room w/ shared bath   $885
              Double: room w/ private bath  $865
                      room w/ shared bath   $765
              Triple: room w/ private bath  $785
                      room w/ shared bath   $685
              Camping/Commuter: $640
              Non-participating companion: $495
              Child staying w/ 2 adults: $295
All prices (US) include 6 nights accommodations, all meals (except the
camping/commuter), all activities, July 4th celebration, Supercamp
workbook, banquet, etc. Rooms are at the Shaker Inn or the Sheraton.    r
Deadline is May 15. Topics include obedience training, agility,          I
tracking, conformation handling, retrieving & field work, dog behaviour,
lure coursing, obedience class instruction, herding, carting, fly
ball, grooming, therapy dogs, puppy testing, etc. For more info
call Gail Fisher at (603) 641-2666 or write to Gail c/o Canine
Behaviour Services, Inc. 83 Gilhaven Road, Manchester, NH 03104.        the

Jack and Wendy Volhard also offer the Volhards Instructor School/
Training Camp. They're on April 5-9, 1993, August 16-20, 1993 and
August 23-27, 1993. All of them are in Syracuse, New York. Prices
are:
        Commuter: $395
        RV, Cabin or Camping: $495
        Shared Room: $595
        Single Room: $695
All prices (US) include tuition. For more info write or call
Wendy at Top Dog Training School, R.D. 1, Box 518, Phoenix, NY
13135 Tel: (315) 593-6115.

Hope you find this helpful! Maybe we'll see some netters there!

Monna

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: billuw@turtle.oakhill.uucp (Bill Underwood)
Subject: Malamute rescue
Organization: SPS CAD, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas.
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:52:52

A friend of mine is attempting to find a home for a 1.5 year old male
malamute whose owner is a major-league jerk.  Does anyone know of a
malamute rescue group in central Texas?  Thanks for the help.

Bill Underwood
From: shawn@Aardvark.Rain.COM (Shawn Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: new dog, older dog problem/question=Solution Found
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:46:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Steve's UNIX System, Portland, Oregon


Thank you all for your input and suggestions, most suggested that we 
either feed them in separate rooms or feed them supervised. We chose
the latter. We had been 'free' feeding them, putting out their food for
the day and allowing them free access to their dishes. Now we feed them
at appointed times and for a set period, while we watch. Now the older
one eats his own food and the younger one eats his. They get along much
better at dinner time now. 

Thanks again for all  your comments and suggestions.

Shawn

-- 
shawn@aardvark.rain.com                     |"The number of UNIX
"I'm with the government, I'm here to help!"|machines has grown to 10
"The God I believe in                       |with more expected." 
isn't short of cash, MISTER!!" -Bono        | -The UNIX manual, *1972*
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:19:05 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: DOGS & CATS
Comment-To: KATHY@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  I don't think you're going to have any problem at all adopting a
kitten.  Labs are bred to be gentle dogs.  Everything should work out
o.k.  Kittens are adaptable.  It will take a few days for the kitten
to settle down in it's new home, but after that time, it will accept
the dog as a natural part of it's family.  
  Introduce the kitten to the dog, and watch them carefully at first. 
Labs are so expressive, you should be able to tell immediatly how the
dog feels about the kitten.  I could be love at first sight!
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: flying with GSDX puppy (Sherpa Bag?)
Summary: What are my options for flight with dog?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:19:56 GMT

I just adopted a stray from my vet back home.

(Wanna hear the story?  The farm GSD died about a year ago, so I finally
got around to calling Greenfield Shepards for info.  The first time that
I called, they weren't in.  So I called the farm - I'm in school - to
talk with my Dad for a bit.  He said that an older male GSD in bad shape
showed up, and that he had taken it in.  After we finished talking, I
called Greenfield Shepards again, and talked to Wendy Urban for awhile.
I was quite impressed, and decided to talk things over with my wife, but
I indicated that I planned to mail a deposit on a puppy.

Next day (Tuesday), I went to the farm to drive the last loads of corn
in, and I took our sorry looking GSD to the vet.  While I was waiting
with him, the vet's receptionist came out with an adorable female GSD
mix puppy and asked if I wanted to take her home.  She had been found
as a stray by a man who brought her in and paid for five days of
boarding.  I have been looking at humane societies for a year for this
pup!

The older GSD has severe hip problems and will probably not get better.
I was pretty broken up about that, but taking the pup home helped.  [Dad
said that he saw the male heading away from the farm yesterday, so I
don't plan on seeing him again.]  I called Greenfield Shepards to cancel
the pup order, but Dad said he'd like to buy an older dog.

end of story of acquisition)


So...I'm going to Florida over break to cable (Ethernet) my sister's new
home.  Gretta (the pup) has been with me constantly, and I'd like to
take her along.  I'd rather not have to drug her, and throw her in the
cargo area, so I asked about transport in the cabin with me.

The airline (ATA) said that I could take her in a container that fits
in the carry-on space (8"x13"x22").  This doesn't sound like much room
for a flight to Florida.  She's about three months old, and ~22 lbs.
I haven't tried to find/make a box of the max. size yet, but I did
notice Sherpa Bags that are approved on certain airlines and come in
a large size ($79).  These look interesting, but I don't want to force
my pup into an unpleasant trip.

Advice and stories will be appreciated!

--kyler
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: allergies
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:18:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.195552.28484@sierra.com> jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill) writes:
>After a year of having my Bloodhound off and on Prednisone, I finally had
>allergy tests done on her.  I found out that she's allergic to wheat, rice,
>corn, soybeans, and several pollens and molds.  I am going to start a desensi-
>tization program with her (injections) for the inhaled allergens, and need to
>change dogfoods for the food allergens.  The problem is that all of the dogfoods
>that I know of use one of the above grains as their base.  She is not allergic
>to barley or potatoes (don't know about oats), chicken, beef, fish, lamb, or
>pork (with the proteins, she showed the lowest response to lamb and pork.)  So
>the question for you people out in r.p.d land is, do you know of any commercial-
>ly available dogsfoods that use barley or potatoes as it base?


	Purina Pro-Plan Turkey and Barley formula might fit the bill for you.
It was advertised in the Nov. 1992 issue of the Gazette.
	Also, Natures Recipe would probably have a food that would work for you.
I don't have their 800 number at work, but it you'd like it, just e-mail me and
I'll send it to you.

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Nutro Max -- Good or Bad?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:30:41 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <1992Dec16.190316.7435@news.nd.edu> mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.164603.16880@b30.ingr.com> scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com writes:
>>I've recently switched dog foods to Nutro-Max and have been
>>feeding the amounts specified on the bag.  Prior to my switch,
>>my vet had told me that the dogs were the perfect size -- not
>>too fat or thin.  Now that I've switched, the boys eat more
>>eagerly, but are dropping weight.  Should I increase the 
>>amount that I feed?  Should I trash this Nutro Max stuff and
>>go back to my old brand?
>>
>>All advice solicited.
>>
>>			G. Scott Downey
>>			Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)
>>			Job's Daddy Too (Lab)
>>
>>P.S.  If it makes any difference, it's the lamb/rice 
>>      formula of Nutro Max.  Thanks.  G.S.D.

I can't speak with authority on the quality of dog foods, but I do feed Nutro
Max Lamb and Rice.  I believe the nutrition figures on the package are
comparable with those of other premium dog foods and, perhaps naively, I tend
to trust the premium brands to have good balance and high-quality ingredients.

I switched Woody (50-lb "pit bull" type) from Science Diet to IAMS or regular
Nutro Max because on SD he always seemed to have the runs.  I didn't have to
worry much about which brand I fed him because he loves them all.  Have you
ever seen the Far Side cartoon with the owner opening a can while the two
dogs watch in delighted anticipation, one saying to the other, "Oh boy!  It's
dog food AGAIN!"  That's how Woody feels about dinner (even though his is
kibble).

(By the way, my 13.9 year-old dane/lab mix, Nova, still eats SD Senior every
day, except when she trades bowls with one of the other dogs :-), so I'm
not denigrating SD as a brand.)

Then when my tenant moved in and his finicky dog (obviously not one of MINE!)
turned up her nose at Woody's food, we experimented until we found that she
loves Nutro Max Lamb and Rice.  So now that's what they get.  I haven't
noticed any problem with either of them losing weight!
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Kong???
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:28:34 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
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: I find this amusing.  I have 2 Border Terriers, one weighs 12lb and the other
: is 14lbs. True to their vermin killing heritage, Borders love to tear and shred.
: I bought them a Kong because I had heard it was the toughest toy around.
: They destroyed it in a matter of hours! All the little red peices they ingested,
: made for interesting yard duty for several days to follow.  Hey maybe I should
: get them one right now and they can decorate the snow covered backyard for
: Christmas :-).

You might try the black Kongs.  They are tougher than the red ones.  As the
manufacturer says, there's a reason car tires don't come in colors. : )

Karen
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed (was mutts & purebreds)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:02:32 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <1992Dec17.143031.9508@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
  williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SETTING UP FOR A FINISH) writes:
 
>At my first golden retriever club meeting I was somewhat aggrevated when
>another new member basically scoffed when I told the group I was interested
>in breed and obedience.  She was mostly interested in obedience and field
>and told me that she saw no use for breed.
 
>These things are important to the usefulness of the breed.  I think that
>breeders do a great disservice when they don't support all three (okay,
>some breeds don't have hunting, I know, but you know what I mean).
>
>Kim
 
 
In an ideal world, conformation is as equally important to a breed
as obediance (and hunting ability if applicable).  But we don't live
in the ideal world, we live in the real world.  And in the real world,
the show ring has flat ruined many working breeds.  Goldens are a
good example, but irish setters are even better.  With the setters,
many, MANY people don't even consider the hunting lines and the show
lines to be the same breed anymore.
 
As I have said in a discussion about this before, I am not against
the goals the conformation ring pays lip service to.  In fact, I wish
there were a non-competitive version of it (much like the difference
between hunting tests and field trials).  But I am very much against
the show ring as it is (ab)used today.
 
 
 
>It was obvious from our later
>conversation that she was only looking at the superficial aspects of
>breed competition - grooming!  She had no idea that the underlying concept
>was the structure of the dog and its conformation to the breed's standard.
 
Then explain to me, why part of that breed standard states that the
dogs characteristics should emphasise it's ability to hunt (in goldens
and labs)  (note:  I don't have a copy of the standard with me, so pleas
forgive any paraphrasing here) and yet goldens with exceptionally long
coats seem to be prefered in the show ring.  The basic fact is that
the breed standard is often ignored as a basis of judging on the bench
and it becomes nothing more than a beauty contest (and popularity
contest between handlers).
 
 
(gee, I wonder if that means I'm going to be flamed on 2 seperate
threads at the same time in this group  ?).
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: For Anne Beck - Jump Distance Formula 
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:03:08 GMT

Anne,

  I would love to have the formula for setting Demi's staring point for
jumps.  I've heard that there is a book out on this subject, do you know 
anything about it?

I emailed you on Monday, and I just got the bounced mail message today.

You can email me at kte@inel.gov, do you have an address I can use tp mail
you directly.

Happy Holidays to You & the pups,

-Kayti
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From: prkenne@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:29 EST  

In article <BzBI0K.4yC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes...
>Hey guys...great idea about posting when Mom's busy.  


Hi everybody.  My favorite snow game is grabbing the big pine tree branches 
and shaking them till all the snow falls off and I'm all white.  Mommy 
laughs alot and forgets to yell at me for chewing the tree!

Buddy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DILANTIN
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:14:40 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <uT8PVB1w164w@cellar.org> grace@cellar.org writes:

> with folic acid.  She doesn't have any side effects as we can see.  In fact, 
> studies show that in humans DILANTIN makes you more focused.  Delilah is 

One of the extremely common side effects of dilantin in humans is gum disease.
Humans who take dilantin for seizure control must be EXTREMELY meticulous with
their oral hygiene.  You might check with your vet to see if he or she has any
particular recommendations w.r.t. mouth & gum care for your dog on dilantin.



------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: irresponsibility/liability ?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:11:43 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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: In both cases by the time the dog got up to my dog the owner was in
: sight and yelling, because of distance, that their dog was friendly,
: well that is all well and good, but my dog is not necessarily friend.  There
: are certain dogs that seem to set her off and she has gotten into a few 
: fights.  She has never actually drawn blood, but there is always a first
: time.  She has been bitten and since then she has been even more defensive,
: we are working on it, but always in controlled areas where I can get Heidi
: incontrol and out of the area without any problem.  There is nothing I can
: do but try and restrain Heidi if the other dog can not be restrained.

: Also, in  both the cases the owner tried to recall their dog and the dog
: did not even so much as look in the owner's direction.

I have this problem too.  Sometimes I feel that the only people who let
their dogs off leash are those who have no control over them.

: I told the owners that if they do not have control over their dog that it
: should not off leash and that they should not assume all dogs are friendly.
: I have nothing against taking dogs off leash if they have the dog properly
: trained...To me it seems, since they have their dog off leash in an area where it is illegal
: and they have no verbal control over the dog that all I could do was restrain
: my dog, but that I could not, and should not be responsible, for a dog
: that is running free.

I don't know what the law says, but I feel as you do.  The owners of the 
other dog have been negligent.  

: Also, any recommendations what I should do when a strange dog comes up to my dog.  I
: have been holding her by the collar, and with my free hand stroking her
: head and praising her for showing no agression. 

You're doing the right thing.  Make sure that if she does get upset, you 
don't inadvertantly praise her for it.  The common reaction is to
soothingly pet the dog, but this is effectively praise.  If she does get
upset, distract her, and go about your business.  Then praise her when she
listens.  

Karen
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: help needed with puller
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:53:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24453
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Yes, do the longe work in Koehler ``The Koehler Method of Dog Training''

it works every time.
From: grace@cellar.org (Grace Kirkwood)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: canine epilepsy
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:11:12 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
see my post on rec.pet.dogs  DALMATIAN
regarding seisures  posted 12/13/92
from the DALMATIAN NATION - - - GRACE

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From: worrall@scrap.ssec.wisc.edu (Thomas Worrall)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: want info on Australian Shepards
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:29:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

Any owners or fanciers of Australian Shepards out there.  I am trying to 
research the breed and our local library and kennel club have not much
information on them.  The local breeders I've talked to are farmers and
have different interests about their outdoor workers as opposed to our 
indoor pet.

Don't worry, we didn't just fall in love with a puppy and take it home.  We
read what we could.  And actually we fell in love with the sweet, gentle, and
hilarious parent dogs.  They all lived together in a big yard, and they 
welcomed two strangers (us) with glee, and played gently with the human
toddlers in the house.

So if anybody knows any books or organizations we should check out, or if 
you have any Australian Shepard stories to tell, we're all ears.  Thanks.

-- 
Thomas Worrall				      Internet: worrall@ssec.wisc.edu
Space Science and Engineering Center	      SSEC Novell: ThomasWorrall
1225 West Dayton			      Tel. 608-263-2566
University of Wisconsin, Madison 53706	      Fax  608-262-5974
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling)
Subject: One more try...  Off leash areas (not in SF)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:43:43 GMT

OK, so I asked if anyone knew of any off-leash legal areas around
Pittsburgh and apparently no one know of any.  Fine sooo...

How do I go about proposing such a thing to my city/county or whoever?
It seems like if they are working elsewhere, then there is certainly a
chance to get them here.  How does one go about it?  Who does one
contact?

Thanks for any suggestions or info.  These rec areas for dogs sound
like a fantastic idea.

.Terri

(companion to Tika the Belgian Sheepdog)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Akita
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:19:36 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Joe Wu (jowu@plx.com) wrote:
: Hi netter,
:  
: Has Any netter have experience about Akita. My wife and I brought a Akita puppy
: (male) a while ago. Now we are "a little bit" worry about his strong will.
: Is this dog some kind agressive to other dog/animal or even stranger. 

Yes they can be aggressive.  Not all are but there is a certain level of,
for want of a better term, attitude that is desired in the breed.  Two
things I would do:

1) go to a good obedience class
2) neuter the dog--unless you are planning on showing, there's no
   reason not to and it can help with some dominance problems

I'd also pick up a good book on the breed, not one of the little
you and your akita types.  Those pet manuals have very little breed
information.  Howell Book House tends to publish worthwile breed books
as a general rule.

Karen