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From: alabatt@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew A. LaBatt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Bowl Bands in California
Date: 27 Dec 1992 07:40:34 GMT
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In article <1hims3INN5qe@charon.usc.edu> strickle@charon.usc.edu (David Strickler) writes:
>     One of the advantages of living in Southern California is the
>opportunity to see the bowl-bound bands every holiday season. 
>Accordingly, tomorrow morning I'm off to San Diego to inspect the
>Illinois band in rehearsal.  Next week, Washington and Michigan get
>a look up here in LA.  It's like a chance to OD on chocolate after
>a year's fast.  Yeah, I can watch USC and UCLA, but neither
>epitomizes *BAND* to me the way the Big Ten does.
>     I've wondered why I'm usually the only outsider, seating among
>the chaperones, watching these visiting bands.  Gotta be a lot of
>people who love band as much as I do who would like a free look at
>the best bands in the country.

You're not alone.  A group of us from the Cal Band (next year's officers) are
coming down to LA this week to watch the Michigan Band rehearse, and possibly
the Husky Band.

>     I also splurged for a $32 ticket in the beachers for the Rose
>Parade.  Washington and Michigan, you had *best* be high steppin'
>and blowin' your chops out when you come past *my* perch next
>Friday.
>
I second that.  The last^h^h^h^hmost recent time the Cal Band marched in the
Rose Bowl Parade, it did high step the whole damn way.  Of course, this was
in the 50's, when that was the only step we knew.

>Dave Strickler
>
>Former field announcer, 
>Gator Band of the University of Florida, and 


Andy LaBatt
Student Director, 1993-'94,
University of California Marching Band
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Georgia Tech!
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:38:33 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

I finally made it.  I thought we would never get this on the newsfeed.

I just have one thing to say:

I'm a ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech,
and a helluva engineer.
a helluva helluva helluva helluva
helluva engineer.
Like all the jolly good fellows,
I drink my whiskey clear.
I am ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech,
and a helluva engineer.


The best fight song in the land...

Scott
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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Bowl Bands in Southern California
Date: 28 Dec 1992 16:47:24 -0600
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In article 1hims3INN5qe@charon.usc.edu, strickle@charon.usc.edu (David
Strickler) wrote:
 
|>Yeah, I can watch USC and UCLA, but neither
|>epitomizes *BAND* to me the way the Big Ten does.
 
Well, UCLA epitomizes marching band as ersatz drum corps, so I can see your
point.  USC is definitely BAND, but, along with Stanford, they epitomize
*BANNED* :-).
 
|>Washington and Michigan, you had *best* be high steppin'
|>and blowin' your chops out when you come past *my* perch next Friday.
 
Well, if Michigan's band director had email, I'd give you his address.
Unfortunately, he doesn't.  The drum major does.  His name is Greg Macklem
and you can finger him if you want his address.
 
Rich
From: strickle@charon.usc.edu (David Strickler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Bowl Bands in California
Date: 3 Jan 1993 15:22:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Thanks, California bowl bands.  You restore my faith, after a year
of watching USC.

Illinois, appreciate your interest and enthusiasm throughout a
three-hour rehearsal in the rain on a sloppy field.  Especially
appreciated the cute little behind on the front-row trombone
player. (Hey, band appreciation comes in lots of forms.)

Thanks, Washington, for the rehearsal on a clear morning in
Anaheim.  I didn't catch your field director's name, but he's the
first Asian-American I know of directing a major band. 
Congratulations.  But couldn't you pick up the tempo a little?  And
give the drum majors something to do?

Thanks, Michigan, for your spark and snap and drive.  I was
grinning like a mad fool when you ran your show.  The total earth-
shaking sensation of The Victors powering right down your throat is
second only to sex for me.  Congratulations.

However.  What was that maneuver you (Michigan) were pulling about
mile two of the Rose Parade?  Looked like a lateral countermarch in
the trombones, with the right pivot moving over to left pivot and
everone sliding down right.  The cymbals were leaping side to side,
the reeds swaying like a gospel choir, and, despite a nice cadence,
feet barely off the pavement, and *no music*.  $32 for a parade
bleacher ticket shot to hell.

Shall we do it again next year?

Dave Strickler
Baritone, announcer, fan                 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Ollie
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 19:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.234617@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
> In some respects, he was better than Dwight, plus, I don't think
> anyone has ever tossed the baton as high as Ollie.  
> Last I knew, Ollie was working for NASA in Cleveland.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tossing satellites into orbit, I presume?    :-)
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Parades and Playing frequency
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:32:42 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

In article <1992Dec31.150122.31536@rchland.ibm.com> tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas) writes:

>As my wind symphony director and my corps horn staff used to tell me -
>if you can't sing it, you can't play it(at least in tune and
>correctly).  It's true - once you're able to sing a piece with some
>degree of confidence, playing it gets that much easier...  Of course,
>it took me ten years to learn that, but...  

I agree, you really can't play it in tune unless you can sing it in
tune...

>The funniest thing I think...(of)

When I marched in high school at Fort Walton, we would have to sing our
parts (loudly) while we did run throughs, if we had been playing a lot
and our director wanted to rest our chops.  It was quite amusing... :-)

Scott
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May)
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:07:09 GMT

  Here at the University of Washington, you can take credit for Marching
Band at either the 300 or the 500 level.  If you choose to register for
Marching Band credits (2 credits) then you are given either "credit" or
"no credit".  You are not required to take credit just because you are
in the band, and the credits don't really do much for anyone unless they
are a music major (just distribution credits for all other majors, and
some majors only allow a certain numbers of Marching Band credits to apply
to the credit fullfillment).
  We practice M,W,F for two hours each day (some sections have additional
hour long practice sessions each week).  Usually an hour-and-a-half to
two hours on game days, and then performances at the Crew house for
the rich alumni or other "distinguished" people.

  The strange thing is that the Symphonic Band practices M,W,F for two
hours each day, but only one credit can be taken for your efforts, and
it is a graded credit, which figures into your GPA.


Tonya
KKY, UW Gamma Chapter
From: jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: >>> NEW SUBJECT <<<
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:19:41 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Well, the wierdest place that I have performed is the dump.  Well, not exactly 
the dump, but close.  Every year here in Davis, CA they have something called
"Dinner at the Dump".  It's a fundraiser for somebody.  Anyway we go to the 
Davis Waste Recycling Center and every resturant in Davis shows up.  From the
McDonalds to the sushi place.  You pay 6 bucks to get in, and then all the food 
is free.  And boy is there  a lot of it.  IT's great.  We play and then we get
to eat free.  It comes right at the end of our retreat, so it's a lotta fun.   
-- 
******************************John A. Kilpatrick*******************************
*"I gotta fly like a duck.......... | Alternate lyrics for "Back to Paradise" *
* I gotta run like a wounded badger"|    from Gundam 0083: StarDust Memory    *
*************************jakilpat@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu************************
From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re: Michigan High Step [Was Re: More U$C]
Reply-To: hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.183501.16408@tessi.com>
   allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>
>I remember in the 1980 Rose Parade, when I marched with Ohio State's Band,
>that actual tunes were played quite a bit.  Since I was a snare drum player,
>I basically played just about the entire time, although all the snares
>alternated for rest breaks for the last couple of the total 7+ miles of the
>parade.  When we weren't playing actual tunes, the marching was not a high
>step, thus to save the legs, but while we played, we high stepped it.  Still,
>I remember playing a LOT of tunes.  Our director wanted to make sure that we
>gave the crowd something to see and listen to, especially since he stressed
>before the parade how "many of these people sit out all night to get a spot
>right next to the street."  Our director considered it extremely important
>for OSU's band to give the crowd every penny's worth.  What was even better
>for the parade was that our assistant drum major, a tall (6'5"), extremely
>muscular fellow got his first chance at leading the band, since at the time
>Ollie (the assistant) had been in the shadows of the lead Drum Major for
>3 years straight.  Ollie never performed any better than he did for the
>Parade, and insisted on using the huge staff rather than the conventional
>baton that one sees used by majorettes.  I'll never forget Ollie twirling the
>staff so high that he would have it float over wires crossing the street anbd
>how he chuckled in his fun.

The way I remember it, we played four different songs.  The two main fight
songs, "Across the Field" and "Buckeye Battle Cry", "Beautiful Ohio March",
and "Big 10 Medley" which was an arrangement of all 10 Big 10 fight songs.

The drum cadence throughout most of the parade was about 120, while we
basically walked, except for when we were playing.  Then we high-stepped.
Also, for "Across the Field" and "Buckeye Battle Cry", we marched at 180.
This was done for the TV cameras, which thank goodness were at the beginning
of the parade route.  Later in the parade, we only played the slower songs.

One thing about the drum cadence is that it is long and conplex.  It goes 
for a few minutes before repeating.  I certainly didn't get bored by it.

Was that drum major Ollie had been in the shadows of Dwight Hutson?  Wow
he was good.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Jim Hulsey)   TBDBITL '84 ('85 Rose Bowl)
An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)

Pick up your feet!                   To be early is to be on time.
Turn your corners square!            To be on time is to be late.
And drive, drive, drive!             To be late is to be left.
From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Parades and Playing frequency
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:51:12 GMT
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In article <urcat.725669865@mcl>, urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) wrote:
[other copies stuff deleted] 
> Reading about how different bands have approached Parades -- what else is
> commonly done out there?  Especially for "big" parades like The Rose Parade.

We do vocal numbers to keep our lips alive - play the intro, sing the
refrain, play the bridge, sing the refrain, play the ending.  They're
usually something that we have a full blown version of - this is just the
vocal one.  Louie, Louie is our primary parade number (with a vocal version
as well).

glide step? chair step?  Nooooooo.
we're not even *in* step - we just walk (and it took me several years to
convince my left foot *not* to find the downbeat by itself)

bcnu - grungy (John Gladu) Rice U. MOBster '73-'92
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From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Parade Length
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:20:09 GMT
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Time for a new thread...

I've seen so many references to parades of X length that I want to find the
long and short of them.

While the MOB can't be accused of using *any* step :) in the parades that
I've been in we have been in some long parades.

The Rex Parade of the late '70s for Mardi Gras in New Orleans was 7 miles. 
That's the longest that I've been in.

The shortest was probably about 300 yards.  A 10-piece band doing a promo
for the road show "Meet Me in St. Louis" (with Debbie Boone) - we marched
down Canal St. in New Orleans about 6 blocks and then back again the other
way.  The police set up a rolling road block that covered only the most
immediate intersection.  People stared.  It was fun.

Given the complete lack of crowd control back then, sometimes the MOB was
lucky to squeeze in a double-conga line between the masses of overflowing
partiers.
We had two "non-musicians" along whose job was pushing the crowd back. 
They were highly selective in their efforts and truly enjoyed this duty.

bcnu - grungy (John Gladu)
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From: hbawl@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (Wilber L. Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: School Songs
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:18:35 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1gsnauINN3ig@eagle.natinst.com> larrya@natinst.com (Larry Anglin) writes:
>been the 20's) in a musical review on the UT campus as a parady for the president.  The school president at the time used to close all of his speaches with
>his favorite phrase "The eyes of Texas are upon you."  The students created the
>words, used the tune from "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad" and the tradition
>stuck.  The official UT fight song, "Texas Fight" is actually the military
>tune "Taps" played much quicker and embellished some.  I forget exactly where
>it originated.  Taps is played after every tuchdown, extra point, and mose
>kickoffs.  If the team is way ahead, the first verse will be played in one, 
>waltz style.  It really confuses the cheerleaders. 

    Cool...Great history!   

>
>The other fight songs include "Victory", "March of the Longhorns", and 
>"Grandioso".  For the University centenial in 1983, there was a special
>version of "Eyes" created using several different meters.  The Calypso
>version has stuck and is an unofficial fight song.

    Calypso version!!!    I've never heard that.....sounds fun.
>
>
>Larry Anglin
>National Instruments
>larrya@natinst.com


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From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Presidential Inauguration Parade
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:23:57 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

In article <1gio9qINN8mb@transfer.stratus.com> sandy@hamus.sw.stratus.com (Sandy Flor) writes:
>The New Bedford High School Marching Band was selected to play at the 
>1985 Presidential Inauguration Parade but it was cancelled.

The Fort Walton Beach High School Marching band was selected to march 
in THE Presidential Inauguration Parade (1981).  One of 8 or 10 bands
selected.  We represented the Dixie region of Georgia Alabama North Carloine
South Carolina, and Florida.

Scott
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From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: The Ocean of Soul
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:59 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1992Dec20.070934.21594@leland.Stanford.EDU>, stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford) writes...
>In article <uh oh> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
> 
>>Heard this morning on NPR:
>>
>>The Texas Southern University Ocean of Soul has been disbanded.  Some
>>dozen members were caught shop-lifting in Japan whileli they were
>>there playing for the Coca-Cola bowl.
> 
>So now what do we do?  You've probably seen my previous post.
>Individuals should be punished, and MAYBE the band itself, but
>disbanding seems ludicrous.  As I've said, I've seen one too many
>bands cut entirely (usually for budget reasons, but any excuse will
>do) and it would be nice if we could DO something.  Any suggestions?
>Perhaps a nationwide band boycott of TSU?  Dunno.  Let's throw around
>some ideas.
> 
>Scott
>-- 
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>stanford@leland.stanford.edu  /|   Catch a tiger by the toe.
>                             ((|,) If he hollers...yeah whatEVER.
>"MORE Doctah Peppah!!"        ~|~  He's EATIN' your ass.  Run, you idiot.


More likely the best thing to do would be to flood the TSU presidents office
with mail telling him that YOU think its entirely wrong to disband the
Ocean and WHY.

Obviously the TSU president is trying to limit the bad publicity.  If you
show him that the people who follow this sort of thing are displeased about
it, he might change his mind or at least alter it a bit.

I'll see about getting the address for you.


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From: tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May)
Subject: Re: Marching styles
Organization: University of Washington (Seattle)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:36:52 GMT

In article <78772@hydra.gatech.EDU> jnewsome@prism.gatech.EDU (John Newsome) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>I have only seen the Michigan band on T.V. in parades, and I don't see how
>anybody can discredit them because they are truly awesome!!! They are what
>people desire to see in a bowl parade!! Keep up the good work "Big Blue"!!

  Not around here.  People who camp out to get a good seat (sometimes a
day or so in advance) don't want to just watch a BAND march past.  The 
floats are more exciting to watch go past than a BAND that doesn't play.
People would like to HEAR a band play as well as watch them march, but 
Michigan doesn't play much once they are past the Press Box.  That doesn't
sit well with the spectators.  I can't see how you can claim "They are what
people desire to see in a bowl parade!!"  Bands are supposed to play in a
parade, not just march past, other wise you are simple watching a bunch
of people go by.  Even the Armed Forces do more than MARCH in a parade
(and most of them don't even have an instrument with them).  If you are
going to march in a parade as a BAND then you should play at least half
the time, otherwise get on a float and simply wave at the crowd (and
leave your instruments at home).

  I'm not taking anything away from Michigan's marching ability - they
march quite well.  But they are not what people desire to see in a 
PARADE, they would much rather HEAR them too.

Tonya
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Parades and Playing frequency
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:57:45 GMT

Allen Warren = >
Tonya May    = >>
Tim Castro   = >>>

>>>The Michigan Band came marching by in full High (Chair?) Step, playing
>>>their lips off.  It was pretty impressive.  I don't know how they were
>>>able to keep that up and do a show later on that afternoon.

>>  They keep it up because they don't play like that the entire parade route.
>>After the parade last year we talked to a few of the Michigan Band members.
>>We asked them why they weren't as tired and sweaty as the UW Band members,
>>and they replied that they didn't play much (only three or four times) after
>>the tv cameras.

>I remember in the 1980 Rose Parade, when I marched with Ohio State's Band,
>that actual tunes were played quite a bit.  Since I was a snare drum player,
>I basically played just about the entire time, although all the snares
>alternated for rest breaks for the last couple of the total 7+ miles of the
>parade.

Reading about how different bands have approached Parades -- what else is
commonly done out there?  Especially for "big" parades like The Rose Parade.
I marched xylophone in the Pasadena City College Tournament of Roses Honor Band
(or PCC Honor Band) in 1986.  We had a rep. of songs and drum cadences to
alternate for the whole five (or 7?) miles, and had a set specially designed 
for the TV cameras.  We pretty much did glide-step for the whole parade,
as I remember.

My High School (in CA) also traveled up to Portland OR in June for the 
Portland Rose Festival in 1986.  (Wm.S.Hart HS from Valencia, CA).  For the
entire trip, we entered the Jazz Band Festival, a Field Show, and the Parade.
So some of us were really pressed for continued performance.  Again, we
played an alternation of full-band songs and drum cadences for all five-miles.
Our band was corps-style anyways, so of course we did glide-step.  But the
real fun for me was stepping in as a cymbal player at the last minute (from
xylophone) since none of our cymbals qualified academically to travel.  Myself
and the other mallet, both female, were pushed to the limit with suddenly
not only haveing to remember how all the songs and cadences went from the
cymbals point of view, but the added stamina needed for doing all the really
cool cymbal "twirls" for visual effect -- both on the Field Competition and for
five miles on the parade route.

Eilidh Swan
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