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From: cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Anyone interested in tuning comments from a real pro? (i.e. not I)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:03:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


Say, now that I think of it, Gene D'Amico, who writes the drum care
column for Drum! magazine, is a friend of mine. He builds custom drums,
and has a shop in Fremont. Maybe I can get him to write a little blurb
on "tuning tips," since the science (or is it an art?) of tuning is
such a mystery- shrouded activity to so many of us (myself included).
Or at least I can go over there, hit him up for a tuning lesson, and
post the results. Would anyone be interested in something like this?

Drop me some e-mail...

	-Doug

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From: hughes@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:44:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1ichi2INNqe@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) writes:
>Okay, this is somewhat embarrassing, but I've been a semi-professional
>drummer for almost four years (currently playing in both a 60's cover
>band and an original group), and, being self-taught, I never quite figured
>out how to tune drums properly. I know what sounds I like, but I've never
>nailed down getting them to a science.
>
>This may have been posted during the holidays, but I'll ask again: how 
>do you tune drums?
>
>      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
>      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
>      University of British Columbia, Canada
>
>(Slinking off into a corner.)


That's a good question.  I've been a player for oh....10 or 11 years (not in
any professional manner, mind you), and I still have no clue as to tuning the
damned things.  Just make them go down from left to right in pitch, as far as
that is concerned.  Preferably in some regulated step...evenly yaknow?

This won't help, but at least you know that there's more of us out there.

The Panther!
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From: root@rocinante (Operator)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:56:17 GMT
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Derek K. Miller (dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: Okay, this is somewhat embarrassing, but I've been a semi-professional
: drummer for almost four years (currently playing in both a 60's cover
: band and an original group), and, being self-taught, I never quite figured
: out how to tune drums properly. I know what sounds I like, but I've never
: nailed down getting them to a science.
: 
: This may have been posted during the holidays, but I'll ask again: how 
: do you tune drums?
: 
: ...
: 
: (Slinking off into a corner.)
: 
I, too, suffer from the same problem.  My story reads as Derek's, except that
I'm involved with a 70's cover band, not 60's.  Can anyone help?  Detail would
be nice.

           -Dave

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: Good "template" songs
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:26:18 GMT

Howdy, people.

I'm pretty new at drumming, I've been teaching myself part-time
for about a year... without books or tutors.  I find the best
way to learn new things is to copy things from favourite songs.
(Well, that's pretty obvious :)

However, there are some songs which were really good for 
learning particular patterns that are generally useful in
a lot of other songs.  Often they open up whole new personal
areas of discovery.  And they usually have very clear
instrumentation so it makes the drumming easier to follow.

For example, when I was just starting I picked up a basic
blues pattern *really easily* from Blue Jean Blues by ZZ Top,
because it was such a good song to practice with.

Others I have found useful have been:
  Smooth Operator - Sade
  Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
  Fool's Gold - Stone Roses
  Short Memory - Midnight Oil
  Manic Depression - Jimi Hendrix
  Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix
  Chiba Chiba - Tone Loc
  Adventures in Funk Space - Bingo Boys
  Same Deep Water As You - The Cure   (in fact, most Cure)

If any of you have similar personal template songs, please put them forward...

Martin
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From: purelght@deeptht.armory.com (Eric Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Bass drum triggers
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:07:37 GMT
Organization: Eric Braun Associates/PureLight Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.170450.27948@cirrus.com> horeff@cirrus.com (Steve Horeff) writes:
>hey drumheads,
>
>I'm in the process of putting together an electro-kit with these components:
>D4, Roland pad(s), Dauz pads, homebrew pads, real cymbals.  What's missing? 
>The kick drum of course.
>
>I'm looking for some net wisdom, advice, comparisons, prices (not too much to 
>ask huh) on bass drum triggers.  I've seen the fatKat and Roland setups but 
>have never tried them.  I'm concerned about the feel of the pedal and would 
>like to match the feel of a real bass drum as much as possible.
>
>If anyone has experience in this area I'd appreciate it.
>
>Later
>Steve (horeff@cirrus.com)
> 

I just built my own kick drum trigger. Roland and a few other companies
wanted in the vicinity of $150 (!?!) just for a trigger. What I ended up doing
was to buy a pedal that felt nice (I got a TAMA), bought a practice pad
assembly to go with it. This is the kind where its a big metal plate that
the pedal attaches to and it hits a rubber slab. Then went to my local
friendly Radio Shack and bought a large (2 inch or so diameter) piezo
trigger for 2 bucks and epoxy'd it in behind the rubber pad. Soldered
a wire to it, plugged it into my Octapad II and poof! A $148 savings!
It works exactly as well as the Roland trigger.

Good luck...
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: ron@vicorp.com (Ron Peterson)
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:31:46 GMT

In article <86214@ut-emx.uucp> hughes@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (paul) writes:
>In article <1ichi2INNqe@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) writes:
>>Okay, this is somewhat embarrassing, but I've been a semi-professional
>>drummer for almost four years (currently playing in both a 60's cover
>>band and an original group), and, being self-taught, I never quite figured
>>out how to tune drums properly. I know what sounds I like, but I've never
>>nailed down getting them to a science.
>>
>>This may have been posted during the holidays, but I'll ask again: how 
>>do you tune drums?
>
>That's a good question.  I've been a player for oh....10 or 11 years (not in
>any professional manner, mind you), and I still have no clue as to tuning the
>damned things.  Just make them go down from left to right in pitch, as far as
>that is concerned.  Preferably in some regulated step...evenly yaknow?
>
>This won't help, but at least you know that there's more of us out there.

Sounds to me like there's a market for an electronic drum tuner.  The
low frequencies would be hard to track but it seems feasable.  Filter
out the initial impulse from striking the head and then try to zero in
on the following wave pattern.  I know the pitch varies somewhat depending
on where you strike.
  Perhaps it could work like this:  A variable frequency oscillator
drives a small speaker (or perhaps a small solenoid to maximize low
frequency response.)  This transducer is placed on the head and a
piezo pickup (with a FET preamp to get good low freq response) is placed 
a short distance away.  Some electronics sweeps the oscillator frequency 
and searches for a peak in the return from the piezo pickup.  Once it's
found the peak it hovers there and a meter indicates what the frequency/note
is.  If it was small enough it could be placed at several locations on
the drum head to get an idea of what the overall pitch variations are
for the current tuning.  It might take several seconds to zero in on
the frequency which would mean tuning would take a while but it sounds
like no other tuning device (except by ear) exists currently.

ron@vicorp.com or uunet!vicorp!ron
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:46:39 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

   I forgot... 

   Cheap drums have a hard time getting a "good" sound. If you have a
poor bevel or bad shells, getting a good sound is hopeless. Did I spell
bevel right? Nevermind... I forgot that...

   Also, I use clear Remo Emperors on top (Ambassardors every so often)
and clear Ambassadors on the bottom. My snare is a coated Ambassador.



                                         - Mike -
From: tms@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: exit
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:51:59 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.


Hi,

I've recently bought Gary Chaffee's book on basic hand and feet techniques. I
bought the book particularly for the small section on finger control.  

Does anyone know of any other books on the market dealing with the subject of
finger control and uses ?

Thanks,

Terry
From: mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:34:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering Research Lab, Georgia Tech.
Originator: mhopper@emperor


I was taught some basics of drum tuning in high school marching band.
Here's what we did.

NOTE:	Always adjust lugs by alternating every other lug.  In other
	words, if you were to number the lugs clockwise:  1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,
	then you would adjust the lugs in this order: 1,3,5,7,2,4,6,8.

	1.  Loosen lugs completely.
	2.  Use fingers to tighten lugs as much as possible.
	3.  Use fingers to tighten a little more by pressing on the
	    drum rim with free hand with about 10 lbs of weight.
	3.  Use drum key and tighten lugs 1/2 of a turn.
	4.  Test tonality of drum with hand or stick.
	5.  Repeat steps 3 and 4 until desired pitch is achieved.

Other Notes:
	The selection of drum heads is the most important influence on the
	texture of the drum sound.  Use thinner heads (such as pinstripe) 
	for a traditional, timbale type sound and thicker heads (such as Evans)
	for a thunderous hard rock sound.  I recommend thin heads on small toms
	(6", 8", 10") and thick heads on larger toms (12", 14", 16", 18").
	There are dozens of heads out there to try and the differences
	are hard to explain.  You just have to hear them.

	Oil filled heads don't ring as much and don't need damping.
	Black dot heads give a punchier attack.
	Pinstripe and silver dot heads sound good tuned very tight.

Hope this helps.

-Mike

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From: ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: IBM and .MOD files
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:06:20 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <1993Jan05.061237.368066@sue.cc.uregina.ca> keeler@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Jason Keeler) writes:
>Recently, I heard of a program which would play .MOD (from the Amiga) files
>on an IBM compatible with a Soundblaster (or equivalent?) card.  Is this
>possible?  I was under the impression that Soundblaster was only 1 channel
>with respect to its sample playback capabilities.  This would create a problem
>as the Amiga's .MOD files are 4 (I've also heard 8) channel.
>
>...Jason


Well Jason have we got news for you!!!

Long long long ago in the mists of time.
=8*)
Mark Cox wrote the initial modplayer for the IBM and what a breakthrough in
IBM sound that was too.  Well done to Mark, he just doesn't get enough credit
for what he did for IBM sound.
The program is called ModPlay.
Probably the best one to use is ModPLay2.10a
Though there are a number of other clones out there now.
I understand WOWII is the best for SoundBlaster owners.

But of course this is only for listening to the .MOD files and not creating them
yourself.

As for the IBM has only 1 channel, so what!!!  =8*)
Mix them in and away it goes.
ModPlay even plays through your pc speaker, but you will want about 12MhZ of
speed machine to get it sounding 'O.K....ish'

look for files called 'mp210a.lzh' or 'wowii.lzh'  or something like that.
I would imagine the ftp site 'ftp.brad.ac.uk' would have those somewhere on
their archives.

Enjoy, and welcome to the world of sound on your machine.

My friend

U4ia
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: Where to get CD pressed?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:57:13 GMT


Well, it's time for us to cut a new album.  Studio time is scheduled
for two weeks starting Feb. 8th.  The question is, where do we get
it pressed?  

Any suggestions for CD/cassette manufacturing houses?  I know all
about AVL/DiscMakers (that's where we had the first one made), any
other suggestions?

Use email, I'll post a summary.

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                       | And strangely enough/It does

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: cb3365@u.cc.utah.edu (Chad Beeder/CS)
Subject: Re: IBM and .MOD files
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:43:30 GMT

>Long long long ago in the mists of time.
>=8*)
>Mark Cox wrote the initial modplayer for the IBM and what a breakthrough in
>IBM sound that was too.  Well done to Mark, he just doesn't get enough credit
>for what he did for IBM sound.

Actually, a program called TrakBlaster has been around a lot longer than
MODPlay has, although the latest version of TB I have seen (2.0) is rather
old and out of date.  (It only supports the original Sound Blaster,
whereas MODPlay supports about 10 different output devices.)

>I understand WOWII is the best for SoundBlaster owners.

Some like WOWII.  Personally I prefer ProMOD (1.1?  Can't remember the
latest version number) to play MODs on my Sound Blaster Pro, though I
don't think it supports the regular Sound Blaster.  It (and WOWII) play
MODs in stereo the same way the Amiga does.  (Tracks 1 and 4 on the left
channel, 2 and 3 on the right.)  Makes for some nice stereo effects in
some MOD files.  Note that you must have a Sound Blaster Pro to be able to
play them in stereo.  The regular Sound Blaster only supports mono sound.
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From: krtamura@athena.mit.edu (Kohichi R Tamura)
Subject:   Tascam 424/Basic 4 track tips
Keywords:  Tascam, 4 track
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:25:02 GMT


A few friends and I are trying to do some recording on a newly bought
Tascam 424 4 track.  We're new to this type of thing and were looking
for advice/suggestions.

1. What is the best way to do effects?  Is it normal to record them onto
a track?  We're trying to mix together 2 vocal parts, 2 guitar parts, and
bass.

2. Is there any good way to get stereo recording?  We used two tracks for
right and left, but it doesn't leave much room left for everything else.
Do most people just do mono?  

3. How much is lost every time you bounce tracks.  Any specific things to
keep in mind when bouncing?

Any advice/helpful starting tips for the beginner are welcome.

Thank you.

K. Tamura
From: frankc@tgf.tc.faa.gov (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: What's a "vocal mike"? (Re: FOR SALE:NEW mics)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:36:13 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: offserv2.faa.gov

djones@megatest.com (Dave Jones) writes:


>I had an SM57 for my tenor sax, but I didn't like the tight directionality
>cone. (I like to move with the music a little sometimes.) So I got a 58 a
>couple of years ago and I've like it just fine. Now I find out that it's
>"great for vocals" but the 57 is "excellent for instruments". I thought
>the idea was to reproduce the sound accurately in either case.

>'Splain please.

I always though that 57s and 58s were basically the same mics, the only
difference being the built in wind screen on the 58, a feature useful
for vocalists but needless for many instrumental applications.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: ooptk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: harmonica holders for guitarists, any comfy/deece ones out there?
Reply-To: ooptk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:10:37 GMT

I never see any harmonica holders in the discount music catalogs. Was just
wondering if anyone makes a real nice one these days. I have an old wire
one which ain't too comfortable and won't clip on to a harp I just bought.

Neil Young was using a cool setup on Sat. Night Live the other night. It
had two microphones (wireless) in it. At least they looked like mics.

thanks

Terry
From: gompertz@sdd.hp.com (Ron Gompertz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: All Original Killer Hooks
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:16:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl90.sdd.hp.com
Keywords: songwriters

I know a lot of you are song writers. Since I've yet to find a suitable
forum for tune smiths on the net I'll post these all original killer
hook ideas here.

You are free to use any or all of them. I won't even ask for a co-writer
credit.

Have fun!


_________________________


All Original Killer Hook Ideas


Brandy, you're a fine girl.

Me and you and a dog named boo.

One toke over the line, sweet Jesus.

Oh, Sweet Pea, come on and dance with me.

Sugar. Oh, honey, honey.

Yummy yummy yummy I got love in my tummy.

Mr. Big Shot. Who do you think you are?

Downtown. That's where the lights are bright.

I believe in music. I believe in love.

Gypsies, tramps and thieves.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

Hey. Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?

Love. Love will keep us together.

Sundown. You better  take care if I find you've been sneaking round my back
stair.
  

Dance to the music

Sugar. Oh honey, honey

Tie a yello ribbon round the old oak tree

Delta Dawn what's that flower you've got on

Do it to me one more time

Louie, louie

Innagaddadavida, baby

She's a man eater

Shake, shake shake, shake your booty


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From: bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com (Brady Gaughan)
Subject: Sound "proofing" a room and Bass Traps
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:30:10 GMT
Reply-To: bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

I'm moving into a new house with an extra room that I plan on converting into a temp.
rehearsal room/ studio.  We will have a 5 piece set, and 3 sets of instrument amps/
cabs all in one room.  Any suggestions on setup of the room, materials for covering
walls?  Which books or articles would you recommend.

Being a bass player, I am particularly interested in the design and construction of bass traps for single large rooms.  I've been in studios that have had moderate 
success using them.  I  would greatly appreciate any feedback from newsreaders that
have experience using bass traps.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Brady Gaughan
From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: 8 track suggestions, please
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:13:48 GMT
Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: gompertz@sdd.hp.com's message of 7 Jan 93 23:57:58 GMT

I've owned a TASCAM 238 8-track cassette for almost 5 years.  It was fine
when I first started recording, but lately my compositions aren't as 
entropic (translation: everything going at once -- drums, 3 synth voices,
guitar w/distortion, etc,) and now I find the unit to be *noisy*.

When the input signal is idle, the dbx II does just fine, but hit a key 
on the synth and bang -- dbx unlocks and this wave of hiss comes up
underneath the music.  Very annoying.

Try it before you buy it.
From: mrhine@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Rhine)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: re: concrete sight reading
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:05:05 GMT
Organization: my organization here

In article <kkretsch.726754014@unix1.tcd.ie> kkretsch@unix1.tcd.ie (kevin patric
k kretsch
) writes:
>      What I want to know is this; Can the average Joe Soap
>realistically expect to be able to teach him/herself to read music at
>an appreciably good level?

i think so...but it takes a *lot* of time and patience...

>i.e. Should I try myself again or would it be quicker, easier and waste
>less time if I go to a teacher?

this will help cut down some of the time element. someone guiding you
thru the common pitfalls can save time...*but* "you gotta have patience..."

if you are serious about learning to read, get a conductors score of some
orchestral composition you know fairly well...like the nutcraker suite...

dover puts out complete scores for $10-$15 (US). just try to follow the
the motion and don't get hung up on individual notes. when you get back to
real books or whatever sheet music you have been working on it will give you
perspective and confidence.


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