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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 09:23:23 -0400
From:         wturpin1@CC.SWARTHMORE.EDU
Subject:      SLS Greek
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As I read the latest round of reactions to Dragonfly's performance my
thoughts turn inevitably to the future.  Bailing out of NB is not, yet,
quite, an attractive option, for various reasons including inertia.  But it
does seem to me something that we may all need to do at some point.

Clearly changing ordinary files into some new format will be no particular
problem (on Dorothy Day's recommendation I have been trying Word-for-Word
and it works almost perfectly, requiring mosly some fiddling with modes).
But it occurs to me that I have no idea at all whether there is a way to
transfer SLS files into a more generally used format (e.g. Greek Keys).
Does anyone have experience with other ways of doing Greek, whether on PCs
or Macs, and of getting there from SLS Greek?
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:11:31 -0400
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Kermit
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I use Kermit 3.11 and it has a macro in the .INI file that allows
capture files.  This sucks up all the data that comes to my screen
and puts it in an ascii file.  Is this not what people have been
asking for in recent postings?
IT
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:22:23 EDT
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: NBI's business acumen
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While I don't object to the occasional flame, paranoia does get a
bit tedious.  I hope that someone will collect our concern about
shabby treatment of faithful customers and convey that to NBI, but
could we please cease with speculations, rumours and innuendo.
I've just spent the better part of the day trying to translate a
student's thesis from Gerglish, and that's all the stress I can
take.  Now, if a bug-free copy of NB 4 were to appear in my
mail box . . . .

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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:28:57 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      NB and OS/2
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Michael Jasper writes:

> Paul -
> I'd be interested in hearing what you think of OS2. What do you consider a
> minimum hardware configuration to use it? Would a 386SX and 4-8 MB  do?

Several list members are now using NB under OS/2 2.0.  I have been
doing so since May (produced my last major paper using this
configuration) and am delighted with the results.  I am currently
using NB4/Lingua beta with no problems and looking forward to the
final release code.

The machine you inquire about would run OS/2, provided it has
sufficient free disk space and at least VGA graphics (Hercules will
*not* work for the primary display).  Practically speaking, 6 megs of
RAM is a minimum, and 8 megs better.  With the SX you will be limited
to 16 megs of RAM (don't laugh, lot's of OS/2-ers use more than 16
megs), but for a standalone workstation that shouldn't be a problem.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:05:17 IST
From:         WATTS@BUTLERU
Subject:      Re: Mavericks
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So far as creating communities of NB users, NBI has
been its own worst enemy.  There used to be five NB
users on my campus, which has a 230 full-time faculty,
most of whom use either WordPerfect of or Microsoft Word
for MacIntosh.  Now, the cheese stands alone--I am the
only NB user left.  The seductiveness of Windows accounts
for some of this attrition, but unreliable release dates,
particularly for Lingua, account for most of it.

This loss of customers is the main reason why I do not think
that NBI can survive this upgrade fiasco.  Who is buying the
program now?  Who will buy it tomorrow?

Bill Watts
watts@butleru
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From: pbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip C Brown)
Subject: Re: Letter to NBI
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:35:23 GMT

In article <NOTABENE%92090104404510@TAUNIVM> Allen (ITF@PSUVM) writes:
I have also noticed that the distribution of this list goes to
under 150 sites, and I am not sure how many people read it at each site.  If
they did a better job, there would be more users on this list as well as in
general.

Someone else commented on declining numbers on the list a while ago.

Some of this may result from subscribers, like me, who move to reading the list
as it appears on more newslist services (e.g., those routinely received by Ohio
State University now) from being an individual subscriber.  Such changes are 
not a loss of subscribers, but simply a more efficient use of resources.  It 
strikes my that raw numbers from the central list are not a very accurate 
determinant of list popularity if intermediate centers redistribute our 
communications.

Phil Brown
History
Ohio State University
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:37:46 EDT
From:         Joel Lidov <JBLQC@CUNYVM>
Subject:      Kermit
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Gerald Schlaback correctly points to the fact that Kermit scripts don't
know anything about terminal emulation; they just read the incoming data
stream, escape codes and all.  This is not a problem when setting up a
dialogue (for sign-on, for example), since it simply looks for the characters
you want, but the screen-dump would be meaningless to a script, since it has
no concept of a screen.

Session logging also logs everything, so that the resulting file isn't a pure
data file, but can be replayed as a terminal session.  If your library has
a line-by-line mode (no emulation), I suppose that would work.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:36:31 EDT
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: IT's arrived
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Those of us on this side of the Atlantic should, I think, take note
that announcements of the arrival of NB 4 with various problems (such
as not being able to load Ibid) originate from copies mailed out by
the German distributer at a time when it seems impossible for large
numbers of the latest copies to have crossed the ocean.  Are European
users sure that what is being sent them is the same as what is being
sent out from NY?

As to the letter suggested, I think that this is a most rational idea.
Is there a good letter writer out there somewhere?


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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 07:25:00 EST
From:         STRAUSS@UNCA
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Michael Jasper,
Any chance you will post a list of the bugs?  Also, has anyone thought
of putting together a letter to NBI from all of us: we each send our
concerns/bugs to a person who is willing to edit, re-post it, and send
(sorry: re-post it for corrections) and send it to NBI?

My fuzzy thoughts NOT due to early hour, but to the fact that the library
from which I write is overheated to 85 deg. F (that's 29.5 C).

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++           Bob Strauss            ++
++         Ramsey Library           ++
++          UNC-Asheville           ++
++       Asheville, NC 28804        ++
++       Strauss@UNCA.bitnet        ++
++     Strauss@uncavx.unca.edu      ++
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:47:25 -0600
From:         Ross B Emmett <emmett@AUGUSTANA.AB.CA>
Subject:      problem with IBID subject bibliography
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I am a relatively new user of Notabene, and have been running
into a problem with IBID that I hope someone may be able to
answer for me.  I have consulted with John Morris about the problem,
and he seems to think that I have hit up against a bug in IBID.
What do the rest of you think?

The basic problem is that I run out of memory space when trying
to generate a list of subject headings from a bibliography of
about 350 items (when arranged by subject headings, there are
over 700 entries).  Since I originally bought IBID in order to be
able to generate a much larger bibliography, I wonder how to
cope with the memory problem.

Here is what I have done so far, and what the result has been.  I
have dumped all memory-resident programs except one small (2.3K)
screen-blanking program, and run Notabene from DOS (rather than
dosshell).  DOS is loaded in high memory.  I have 1MB of extended
memory, which can be formatted as a RAMDrive, if this would help
(I've tried that--and directed overflow files to the RAMDrive, and
it doesn't seem to do anything, which suggests to me that the
program is not making any use of my extended memory).  My hard
drive has lots of space (I'm currently using about 30 MB out of
130 MB available).

When I direct IBID to generate a list of all subject headings, with
the number of items under each heading (I use Turabian, but that
shouldn't matter), the program searches all the entries, merges all
the temporary files together, generates all the indices, and begins
to format the bibliography (it tells me that there are 722 entries).
However, the formatting inevitably stops somewhere between
number 140 and 190 (depending on whether I switched to DOS and
back again or not).  No error message is generated (not even a
"free memory and try again" message), and the computer freezes.

I can successfully generate the entire bibliography (i.e., only 350
entries, arranged alphabetically), and have been able to generate
bibliographies of specific subject headings (using search, and
then generate).  But I want to be able to check the consistency of
my subject headings over all items, and that is what I cannot do.

Any ideas?  And will memory space be a problem as I expand the
bibliography in the future?  What should I do?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Ross B. Emmett
Assistant Professor of Economics
Augustana University College
Camrose Alberta
679-1517 (VOICE)
emmett@augustana.ab.ca
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 07:49:25 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Default Settings in NB4
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Bill Watts writes:

> I am using a beta version of NB4, and while I wait
> patiently for the final program and fuller documentation,
> I was wondering if someone could tell me how I can change
> the default settings in the program (type size, margins,
> etc.); I cannot find the equivalent of the "default.set"
> file in NB3.  Also, how do you set the program up so that
> a printer table is automatically loaded when you go into
> the program?

The equivalent of DEFAULT.SET is NBCUSTOM.SET.  You might be able to
glean the results you want with judicious editing, but the automatic
setting of default typeface and size are not yet enabled in beta
versions.  Earlier beta versions do not enable automatic loading of a
printer driver either.  Since the arrival of NB4 seems imminent,
perhaps waiting would be the better choice.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:27:27 CDT
From:         "Richard J. Betts" <RBETTS@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: snafu apercu
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              3 Sep 92 15:50:00 EST from
              <DICK%SIENA.bitnet@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>

For Michael Dick:
Have you tried re-installing OS/2?  Insert the installation diskette and cold-
boot the machine.  Then follow the prompts.  Did you leave DOS on your disk?
If so you can book from a bootable DOS diskette, but remember that your fixed
disk is set for OS/2.  You can restore the config.sys and
and autoexec.bat files for OS/2, if you happen to have copies, by first
inserting the installation diskette, re-boot, and then follow the prompts to
the first program disk.  Then escape, I think with F3, you are in OS/2 and
you can copy files from diskettes, etc.   Your problem with COM3 has been
discussed considerably on the Prodigy board and you can find some help there.
You can also find help and fixes on the IBM NSC BBS whose number is in the
OS/2 manual.  Don't give up.  OS/2 really works for me.
Richard J. Betts
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 09:05:06 PDT
From:         Stephen Davison <davison@MIZAR.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the morning line
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I am glad to hear news of the shipping schedule of NB4, even if it is
rumour. I am looking forward to the arrival of my copy as much as
anyone.

It seems to me however that the list is not an appropriate forum for
flaming about the company or its product.  Constructive comments, yes;
gushing praise or cynical negativism I can do without.  We all know
that the company has a lot to learn about PR, and that is probably
something we have to live with.  It may have a lot to do with the
character of its founders as well as its size.  Hey we all know that.
Lets just keep giving them advice and letting them know we appreciate
the product.

BTW, they have probably learned at least one lesson.  I have an order
in for NB4 and was told that my credit card would not be charged until
it was shipped.  But then I will probably pay more than most of you.
It will be a joy to have my own copy; as I grad student I had been
using it at school.

Stephen Davison
Internet: davison@usc.edu
Bitnet: smd@cunyvms1.bitnet
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Original_cc:  DICK
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:53:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: Letter to NBI
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I think NBI has been incompetently managed, sloppily organized,
incommunicative, scattered brained, insensitive, but I don't think they are
"dishonest" or guilty of moral turpitude. That they are a financial scam, as
some here would suggest, fails to appreciate that they don't really have either
the fiscal acumen or the organization of an Ivan Bosky (sp). Let's just get a
working product and then whatever...
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
PS I need a good working NB4 and then I'll write NBI a hate letter in 10
languages and 5 fonts.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 12:50:32 EDT
From:         Austin Kerr <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 and Orbis
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I am a user of Text Base.  I have 7 years worth of notes on TB under NB 3.0

Yesterday NB 4 arrived with an Orbis disk but without any Orbis documentation.
It strikes me that the only intelligent thing for me to do is to stick with the
NB 3.0 for the time being, until I receive some instructions on how to use
Orbis and how to use it with my many note files that are on Text Base.

Or, am I being overly cautious?  Is Orbis so easy to use that I will find
converting to is to easy to use that once I place that disk in the A drive and
copy it over there will be not an ounce of a chance that I will not be able to
access my notes as I now can?

I appreciate the advise of the experts on this list.

Austin Kerr
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:22:39 PDT
From:         David Harlan <DI378@CALPOLY>
Subject:      Letter to NBI
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I think a letter to NBI is premature, given that they're
in the midst of mailing out NB 4, and given that we're in the midst
of receiving NB 4.  Wouldn't it be better to wait two or three weeks
and see what we've got?

David Harlan
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:59:58 IST
From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Desqview
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Nevermind. I just searched the NB database and found lots o' stuff on
Desqview. Sheesh - this is gonna take a while to read.

Michael Jasper
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 10:06:38 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: snafu apercu
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> Regretfully, I must take strong exception to the claim of Monsieur Michael
> Dick that ** HE ** properly qualifies as the exemplary "FOOL" of NBS
> (National Bureau of Standards).

For what it's worth, the (US of America's) National Bureau of Standards has
been laboring under the new name National Institute of Standards and
Technology for several years now, by act of Congress.  The old name was
claimed not have any recognition value!  I think the truth is, the name was
inflated by someone in Congress to make the agency sound "bigger and
better."

Any standard fool would be the average of a representative sample, anyway.

Incidentally, my favorite NIST standard is Standard Reference Material
Urine.

----

This definitely does not reflect the opinions of my employers.
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: Mail problems.....
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:36:14 GMT

It is a little known fact that certain links on the Internet are still
handled by drums and smoke signals.  A strong wind (and this _is_
hurricane season) can hold things up for days, cause messages to
duplicate or arrive out of order, or even garble them so thoroughly
that complaints about late shipments appear to be recipes for apple
crisp.

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca

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From:         david j reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Library Master (was Re: Life after NotaBene)
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              PorterChair of Semiotics" at Sep 2, 92 3:29 pm

Itamar Even-Zohar mentions Library Master as a replacement for Ibid.
if leaving the Amazing World Of Nota Bene. He writes in part:
>
>                                                      However,
> Library Master looks very impressive, and perhaps my evaluation
> of its demo were superficial (I did not need much time to
> decide to stay with Ibid., as long as I work in NB).
>
My experience was almost identical. Meanwhile, our micro-system here
has a limited site-license for Lib Master (since ours is a universally
Word "Perfect" campus). Lib Master has some features I would *love* to
have in Ibid. (3 e.g.'s: 1. when you add a key-word in the "subject"
field, it is added to a list. If the key-word is new, it gives you the
list and asks you if you really want the new one. Saves you having one
entry "politico-religious" when what you really meant was
"religio-political"; 2. will let you see the record in its "formatted"
form with the press of a key; 3. dumps formatted bibliographies to
NB/XyWrite, MSWord, WPerf, etc. native files. This last one is
pointless for NB'ers + Ibid., though.) It also has a very impressive
search mechanism for literature citations (e.g. of the Bible or
Shakespeare) and dates.

Meanwhile, it isn't seamlessly integrated with my working
word-processor. Perhaps in these days of OS/2 and a stable Windows (or
Desqview), that's not so important as it was....

Hope this helps!
David.
--
David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture          Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2680
Wilfrid Laurier University                           Fax: (519) 886-9351
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:58:03 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Modems and European, Israeli phone standards
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Due to a very brief temporary cash surplus, I'm looking
into buying a 14.4 modem (32.bis, and all that).  I've
been told to avoid the cheapos (like my zoom 2400), because
standards re command sets, etc., haven't settled down
at that rate.  Now, I was all set to buy a "Supra",
on recommendation ($309), when the salesman helpfully
told me that the modem simply won't operate in Europe phone lines;
he didn't know about Israel.  I have a call in to
Supra corp., but in the mean-time, do any of you
Israeli's or Europeans know about such things?

There is a possibility I might travel in my Ur-namesake's
footsteps (although moving from west to east), and if
I do want to go on-line _from_ Israel, it would nice not
to have to buy a new modem.

Thanks,

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu

P.S.  McIntosh note:  according to today's _NY Times_ (Metro
section, p. B6, byline Harold Faber,9/2/92, "Big Crop of
Small Apples Predicted"), the NY Agricult. Statistics Service
forecasts a NY state crop of 1.1 billion pounds, up 5% from last
year (NY is second behind Washington, w/ 4.7 billion lbs, 1991).
Early eating apples are going for 20 cents/lb wholesale.
The early variety of McIntosh, Jonamacs, are said to be coming
on line now, w/ McIntosh proper early next week.
  NY also produces "large quantities" of Rome, Rhode Island
Greening, Red Delicious, and Idared, and "smaller quantities"
of Empire, Golden Delicious, and Crispin.

I haven't heard of 9/10ths of these types, but this information
may be of interest to some.  Plus its a plug for NY (I don't
know if any Washingtonians are on the list . . . .).
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:52:45 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      Life after NB
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Has anyone had experience with Endnote Plus, on a Mac?  I have had none,
but was telling a friend who works as a Mac consultant for Notre Dame's
Office of University Computing about our NBI woes and wicked thoughts of
mutiny.  There sat a demonstration copy of Endnotes Plus on his floor, but
we didn't have time to discuss at length.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
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