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From: kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:33:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <nkjrm.24@taxus.uib.no>, nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) wrote:
 
> The more "civilized" drinking habits of Denmark (relatively speaking more 
> beer)has the same bad medical consequences as the hard-liquor habits of the 
> other Nordic countries but seems to be less socially disruptive. 
> 
> Nordic women definitely drink less than men. This explains why there are
> fewer alcoholics among them. Changing habits among the younger generation
> may change this situation, unfortunately.


Hmmmm....enteresting subject this.

Here's one of many opinions I have to say.
I think that one of the main reasons that we have a alcoholproblem, among
us Swedish citizens, is the lack of drinking culture. Alcohol has always
been surounded with some sort of "mystecism" here. You have to buy it from
a special dealer, state owned, called SYSTEMBOLAGET. Though you can't buy
alcohol in Sweden until you've reached the age of 20, youngsters thinks
it's exciting to try and get it earlyer.
Example: I was on my way home from work one friday evening, by tram as
usual, and two youngsters (around 15-16 years old) standing next to me
spoke as follows:

Girl -"What'cha gonna do this weekend"?
Boy -"Drink"?
G -"Me to".
B -"Many from my class gonna drink":
G -"Mine to".
B -"What'cha gonna do then"?
G -"Don't know? Downtown I supose".
B -"We to".
etc. etc......

I think you all have your own opinion about this conversation, I think it's
scarry. Right here is where we have to start dealing with the problem. I
know, it's been done before via campains and different sorts of
information, but this time lets turn the solution the other way round: LET
THE BOOZE FREE!
What will happen? A lost generation? I don't think so. We will, I guess,
notise an increase of alcohol cunsumption, but just for a short while.
Then, when people begin to understand these more moderate rules, it's back
to normal again or, even less.
But as long as SYSTEMBOLAGET have the monopoly in booze-dealing with the
tuffest prices in the world, I supose, on beer and wine, we have to stick
to homebrewing.

This is not the situation in Denmark for example. As far as I know they've
always benn more radical in ways of thinking and living. There you can buy
alcohol in almost any ordinary groserystore at all. I don't say that they
don't have any drinking problems but they certainly not go out in the
streets shouting -"Heeeeaaaaghhhh Hu Hu Hu"!!! after a couple of glases.

I'm glad to hear other opinions about this so, keep it up.


Kjell the Brave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:00:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.040813.21438@midway.uchicago.edu> rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Gee, has anybody had a good WHALE burger recently?
>(time to switch to our other thread, I think)

If that topic comes up at the same time as the Swedish-Finnish language
war, then I guess it is time to unsubscribe. I doubt the Internet could
stand the presure :-)

Greetings,
--Mike

-- 
#include <std-disclm.h>--"... and there is a small flaw in my character."---
Real Life: Michael Christian Heide Qvortrup      A Dane         ETH, Zuerich
e-mail   : qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch                  abroad         Switzerland
Institut fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen  /  Inst. of Scientific Computation
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal)
Subject: Re: Learning (some) Finnish
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:48:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.044337.24469@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
jtbell@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jon Bell) writes: 

> In article <1d9rgoINNlfu@morrow.stanford.edu> mahtani@camis.Stanford.EDU
(Melanie Mahtani) writes: 

>>Any suggestions on how best (easiest) to pick up some 
>>useful terms and a bit of the [Finnish] language?  (Books, etc.?)

> You might want to check out "Finnish for Foreigners" by Maija-Hellikki
> Aaltio.  It's a three-volume paperback series, but the first volume is
> probably all you'll want unless you _really_ get hooked on studying
> Finnish.  There are tapes that go with it, too.  I don't have it handy
> so I can't tell you the publisher or the price, but it ought to be listed
> in "Books in Print." 

It used to be published by Otava (Helsinki), ISBN 951-1-00397-6.

Regards, <kees>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: The Finns, an opressed minority in Sweden
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:46:51 GMT

OK, it's stupid of us to argue about who's arguing, but in this case I 
can't resist...

In article <1992Nov12.102802.1275@jyu.fi>, sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen) writes:
>In article <FISCHER.92Nov12022817@steinhaus.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>>
>>>>>>> "Jarmo" == Jarmo Ryyti (ryyti@jyu.fi)
>> ...
>>Soc.culture.nordic is getting to be a real, grown-up newsgroup, isn't
>>it. We even get to have our own Mutlu these days.
>>
>>Sigh.
>
>Quite a bad comparison.  Haven't you noted that Jarmo mostly gives
>factual arguments for his opinions,

Really? Are tou talking about Jarmo *Ryyti*, and his repetitive and 
tiresome postings on *this* newsgroup? Then I do most definitely not 
agree with you!!!


>...while 90% of his Swedish opponents retort with primitive insults, 

Really? The hardest words against Jarmo always comes from *.fi people! 
This is probably as it should be; if we were to get a corresponding 
Swede calling all danes Nazis or something like that, you can be sure 
that *I* would flame him into the next week... :-)

>which show that they usually haven't
>even really read the postings to which they so angrily reply, and which
>contain no contribution whatsoever?

Oh yes. We've read all Jarmo's postings *dozens* of times before. That's 
why they get rather tiresome!

And, since you seem to agree with at least some of the "facts" that 
Jarmo presents -- have you considered what kind of replys Jarmo would 
get if his accusation that all Swedes are semi-Nazis really was true? 
Why haven't we sent him a letter-bomb or shot him by now in that case?

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Denmark to the Arctic Sea! (was Re: The Finns,...)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:00:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.090240.14114@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>Tomas Eriksson writes:
>
>> if we were to get a corresponding 
>>Swede calling all danes Nazis
>
>Well, aren't they, I mean, *really*, the half-German mother-buggerers?

Huh? 

Now, if you turnips don't start behaving again we just might have to
reinstate the Kalmar Union and put Margrethe II in charge of it.

Finnland, being old Swedish property, would of course also be included
in the deal.

Most of you North-Danish really would like to come back to the bossom of
the mother-country again, wouldn't you?

Greetings,
--Mike

PS: just in case, :-), :-)

-- 
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Real Life: Michael Christian Heide Qvortrup      A Dane         ETH, Zuerich
e-mail   : qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch                  abroad         Switzerland
Institut fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen  /  Inst. of Scientific Computation
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: FINNOFOBIA P] ALAND
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:15:20 GMT


Aland could also be used as an experimental paradise with casinos and
designer drugs for every taste. This could be a very good business for
mainland Finland.

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki
From: Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: About AAland
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Date: 7 Nov 1992 11:36:33 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
	<ksand-061192221932@wintermute.apple.com>
Reply-To: savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: ksand@apple.com's message of Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:20:06 GMT

In article <ksand-061192221932@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:

>Just a side note, they didn't even want to belong to Finland, and 
>ever since 1917 they tried to join Sweden. However Finland wanted to

 Why don't they start a move to join Sweden then? I don't think there
 would be much opposition from mainland Finland to that move. Maybe
 the Swedes don't want AAland? :-)

--
Markku Savela (savela@tel.vtt.fi), Technical Research Centre of Finland
Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Keywords: alcohol, scandinavia
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:51:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.204321.20048@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Satya Bhamidipati) writes:

>    This might be on oft repeated topic. Please excuse
>    me if so...

>       I have a finnish friend (from Helsinki) who says that
>    alcoholism is rampant among men of Finland (Scandinavia in
>    general). Is this true ? Are there any statistics to show
>    that alcoholism is more/same/less than in other countries.
>    From the picture my friend painted, it appears that a lot
>    (no numbers) of MEN are alcoholics. 

>       If this is true, could someone explain why this is so ?
>    If this can be blamed on the conditions of weather etc., I
>    would expect that women too would be alcoholics (in the same
>    numbers as men) . Could someone clarify these thoughts (or 
>    misconceptions) ?



>    Satya (satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu)

The alcohol habits definitely differ between different countries and
between different groups of people. I have seen somewhere that the per
capita consumption is lowest in Finland, then follow Norway, Sweden and
Denmark (not sure of the last two nor about Iceland). How you behave under
influence of alcohol is to some extent something you learn. I have read
an article by a social anthropologist explaining that when you have had
some alcohol you are  a l l o w e d  by the culture to behave in ways you do
not do when you are sober. This supposedly explains why Chinese Americans 
are seldom seen drunk although they drink as much as Americans: According
to Chinese culture you "loose face" if seen drunk outside home.

The more "civilized" drinking habits of Denmark (relatively speaking more 
beer)has the same bad medical consequences as the hard-liquor habits of the 
other Nordic countries but seems to be less socially disruptive. 

Nordic women definitely drink less than men. This explains why there are
fewer alcoholics among them. Changing habits among the younger generation
may change this situation, unfortunately.

Rolf Manne
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:19:41 GMT

Olen l{hd|ss{ 11.11.92 ty|matkalle Ven{j{lle, Karjalan tasavaltaan
Petroskoihin.

Siit{ tulee taas mieleen miten {lyt|n ja ahdasmieleinen ratkaisu t{m{
ruotsin kielen pakko-opetus Suomessa on. On suorastaan s{{litt{v{{ havaita
kuinka Ilomantsin tai Kiteen  asukkaiden koko j{lkikasvu on pantu opettele-
maan ruotsia. Rajan toisella puolella, siin{ ihan muutaman kilometrin p{{ss{,
siit{ ei ole yht{{n mit{{n hy|ty{. Varmaan "h|lm|l{mn" v{en naamat
ven{ht{v{t kun ne sen huomaavat. Ja luulen, ett{ kanssak{ymisen ja yhteis-
ty|n kannalta naapurimaan kanssa kiteel{isillekin olisi paljon hy|dyllismep{{
oppia ven{j{{. Vaan eip{ k{y. Pakkoruotsista seuraa se, ett{ otetaan toiseksi
kieleksi varma valinta englanti, josta tavallaan on tullut "puolipakollinen"
vieras kieli.

Kouluasetus pit{{ lainvaistaisena sellaisia kieliyhdistelmi{, kuten esim.
ven{j{-englanti, saksa-englanti,saksa-ranska,ven{j{-saksa. Et saa valita
niit{, koska se on laitonta Suomessa. Pit{{ ottaa pakkoruotsi toiseksi kieleksi
kiitos RKP:n? jatkuvan hallituksessa olon sodan j{lkeisiss{ hallituksissa.
Lopputulos t{st{ kaikesta on todella vahingollinen Suomelle, kaupank{ynnin
ja yhteydenpidon jne. kannalta t{rke{t kielet saksa ja ven{j{, joiden painoarvo
tulee varmasti tulevaisuudessa kasvamaan ovat j{{neet sivuraiteelle.
Kaikkihan eiv{t halua opiskella kolmea kielt{.
Mit{ tulisi tehd{. Olla edelleen r{hm{ll{{n? 
Terveisin,
Jarmo Ryyti
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: A question to anyone on Faroe Islands
Date: 13 Nov 1992 08:41:27 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Thor Legvold writes:
#>In Torshavn of course.  Official policy is to keep the prices reasonably
#>low to prevent 'hjembrenning' (what is this in English?) where you make 
#>your own liquor.  Of course, what noone said (but everybody knows ;-)

"Home brewing" is what pops to mind -- "brenning" ~ "burning" tho?
Anyway, "bootlegging" is probably more like it.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Finns, an opressed minority in Sweden
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:04:28 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov12.194651.13953@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.102802.1275@jyu.fi>, sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen) writes:
>>...while 90% of his Swedish opponents retort with primitive insults, 
>
>Really? The hardest words against Jarmo always comes from *.fi people! 

  Since some of the Finns that flamed J*rmo had Swedish-oid names it is
possible that Markku group them as 'Swedish opponents of J*rmo'.

>Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:44:12 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <mikael.86.721070544@udac.uu.se> mikael@udac.uu.se (Mikael Lundgren) writes:
>Just wondering. You have a lot of criticism, you use mighty strong (
>offensive I might add) words but do you have any plans?

  I normally don't perform psionics in public:) but based on what Jarmo wrote
the last time he beat this dead horse to pulp, I suspect that he wants to
remove the Swedish language from Finland, and espeically A'land.
  
>Ciao   /Mikael

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen)
Subject: pilgrimmage to the Holy land
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:50:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Several of my elderly relatives have made a pilgrimmage to the
Holy land. It wasn't in the Middle East.  It was Norway.    

Ha det bra!

--Sue		email: sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: About AAland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:20:06 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Nov6.102211.22556@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
wrote:
> Just a little note from me. During the second world war 1939-45 when the
> Finns were fightning for their independency, the aland-islanders remained as
> neutral and did not participate in the war against the russians.
> Some aland-islanders were as volunteers but the rest stayed just in 
> the auditorium and followed from there what the results of the war might be.
> The Finns who fought for the independence of Finland did it as much
> as for Aland.

Just a side note, they didn't even want to belong to Finland, and 
ever since 1917 they tried to join Sweden. However Finland wanted to
keep control of this tiny island of a reason I'm still not sure about...

> It was the Finnish young men who fought for the neutrality of Aland
> 1939-45. It was not completed in the seminars and meetings.

I agree that Finns lost lives, however I'm skeptical why they
lost lives for a small island that didn't even want to belong 
to Finland, and you might even state that there was pressure from
Finland to keep aland-islanders under control. In that sense it 
reminds me actually that Aland is in a way the one and only
Finnish colony :-).

Cheers,
Kent
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Crap on TV4
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:

>> But it pisses me off to pay for SVT programs here in Helsinki area. 
>> The channel is called TV4 (not the same commercial TV4 as in Sweden) and
>> the programs are crap consisting of Cafe programs and Nyheter p} 
>> Serbokroatiska. This is the price we have to pay so that Finnish immigrants
>> in Stockholm area could watch Finnish TV.
>
>Hehehe, if you don't like it, just don't watch it!

I don't. But I have to pay for broadcasting of that crap in my
TV license. "Av upphovsr{ttliga sk{l" the programs produced by SVT only
are broadcast. I doubt very much that Cafe programs have many viewers
even among Swedish-speakers.

>> There is no need for a Finnish TV-station. The Finnish Swedes in \sterbotten
>> are quite content of watching Swedish television (SVT) so why couldn't the 
>> Finns in Sweden just settle for Finnish TV (Yle).
>
>Note that the finnish-swedes produce TV programs that are shown
>on the Finnish TV stations, in most cases with Finnish subtitles as well.

FST, as the part of YLE producing programs in Swedish is called nowadays, 
makes sometimes very good current affairs programs and some of their imports
have been good as well, but I don't think it has so many viewers among those
who are also able to watch SVT.

Janne Kivela"

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
From: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se (Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:55:10 GMT
Reply-To: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se
Organization: Plasma Physics, KTH, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Nov4.152025.9370@lth.se>, kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:
>
>After all the shit I catch for the Gulf War (is guilt synonymous with
>US citizenship?), osv, I'm surprised anyone is complaining...  In any
>case, Clinton has pledged to do his best to further the ME peace
>talks, etc....  What has Sweden done in this respect?  What has *any*
>European country done in this respect?
>-- 

Please, do not, I repeat, DO NOT think that all Swedes share the opinions of
such "experts" on international matters as Pierre Schori!!!! Actually, it is
said to exist people even here who believes that Saddam Hussein started the
Gulf War, not the coalition...

Odd Bolin



Odd Bolin
Department of Plasma Physics, Alfven Laboratory
Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Ph: +46 - 8 - 790 7701	Fax: +46 - 8 - 245431
Internet: bolin@plasma.kth.se
From: staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM (Staffan Liljegren [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilation of the Finns in Northern-Sweden
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:46:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: chivas

In article 92Nov9223151@bast.sics.se, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.151607.3908@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>    >Jarmo Ryyti
>    >En Finndj{vel
>
>  Min b{ste Jarmo, det har kanske undg}tt dig, men det finns mycket
>annat i livet som {r roligare {n att bedriva besynnerlig
>fanatikerpropaganda. Till}t mig rekommendera n}gra glas |l och en
>finsk tango. F|r m}nga av oss {r visserligen M.A.Numminen o|vertr{ffad
>som uttolkare av den finska (och europeiska!) visskatten, men en
>ordentligt framskr}lad {kta finsk vemodstango {r f|r oss alla en k{lla
>till lisa och vederkvickelse.

l ? Javisst. Numminen ? Jo, efter len ! Tango ? Finsk tango ?? Sn dr elfrstrkt
efterapning som spelas med *dragspel* i feltakt ??? "La Cumparsita" p finska ????
Ebbe Grnlund etc ?????

Aldrig i livet ! Inte nr man kan njuta av kta, sensuell, tango i frn Rio de la Plata ! 

/Staffan

I ett frsk att hitta trevligare diskussionsmnen.....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Don't blame me- I voted for Bill and Opus)
Subject: Please, any Latvian or Lithuanian speakers, help out!
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 06:47:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

	The Russian and East Central European Studies program at
Colorado State University is designing a t-shirt, and we need your
help and assistance.  This is a fundraiser and it will assist us to
provide programs, as we receive no funding from the university.
What is needed is this: can you translate the phrase: "RUSSIAN AND
EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN STUDIES" into Latvian or Lithuanian?

	You would really be helping us out.  Thank you for your time
and patience.

	Please respond directly to: fitch@lamar.colostate.edu

Sincerely,
Chris FITCH
R.E.C.E.S. Program, CSU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Ancient prejudices
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 08:54:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.030402.11576@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>, junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:
|>
|> [.....]
|> 
|> On the other hand, Finland isn't alone in this boat. The USA has one of the most
|> dismissal records with respect to accepting refugees. Who gets in and who doesn't
|> depends on the political ties between the country of origin and the White House/
|> the State Deparment. But with respect to foreigners rights and treatment in the
|> Nordic countries, I'd say Finland ranks behind Denmark and Sweden. [I don't know
|> enogh about Iceland (except it is the only Nordic country which has accepted less
|> refugees than Finland) and Norway to say anything.]
|> 
|> jari
--


I'm sorry to say that Norway is no better than Finland :-(


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