HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: misogyny
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:47:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: Did Ry mention that he has a very big dick?
	<1992Sep12.060842.2813@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
) IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
) >and, of course, that leaves the question of why ANYONE would
) >have penis envy...  revolting little things...

) Or revolting *BIG* things as the case may be.

Don't be so modest.  It's not revolting, it's quite, ah, charming.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>   "Kiss and tell"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: misogyny (previous subject line deleted)
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:30:25 GMT

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
: In article <92255.192114IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
: >and, of course, that leaves the question of why ANYONE would
: >have penis envy...  revolting little things...
: 
: Or revolting *BIG* things as the case may be.
: 

Sssh. We don't want them to know about the revolution yet.


Kathy
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:19:28 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


 
mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
     >>>>>There is _no_ cabal.  
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
    >>>>Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain.
brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
   >>>There is _no_ curtain.
mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
  >>If there's no curtain, where will we hide the pods?
jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
 >There are _no_ pods.

I have seen a convincing proof that if there are no
pods we do not exist.  None of us.  And if we don't exist,
who is wearing all of the shirts made out of that lovely
curtain fabric?





-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
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From: bouyack@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Jim Bouyack)
Subject: Re: Book reference
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.161859.22532@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	Can someone get me the info for a recent book done
>by a woman who interviewed convicted gay bashers in order
>to find out what societal influences assistedin their
>hatred of gays?

	You may be thinking of Bette Greene, who did this
	type of research for her *novel* _The Drowing of
	Stephan Jones_.  As far a I know, she hasn't
	published any non-fictional account of her research.
	The novel seems fairly realistic, especially from
	the conservative small town point-of-view.
>
>	There was an interview with the author on NPR about a
>month ago.  I'd like to track the book down.
>

	There was also an interview with her in _Christopher
	Street_ a few months back.  I can find the specific
	issue if anyone is interested.

-- 
--------------------
Jim Bouyack
jeb@cblpe.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: At The Limoncelli Family Picnic (was: Publicity)
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:51:25 GMT

In <1992Sep6.022911.20407@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>So tell me, sweetness, why does the fact that the Republicans are
>bashing queers to get Bush elected make the Republican queer bashing
>any less repugnant? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, it makes
>them even more morally bankrupt?

I had that argument with my uncle a couple weeks ago.  He reminded me
that the "business of politics" is not leading a country or improving a
country, etc. but the "business of politics" is getting elected and
then staying elected.

Though it is a pessimistic view, I must admit that it is true.  It is
what's wrong with the current political system.  I told him that, and
then reminded him that it still doesn't change the fact that we need to
elect Clinton if we want to survive as a country.

Luckily, he's a Clinton supporter.  (I'm his only god son, and it's
lucky that we agree on so much.)

------

Yesterday at the annual Limoncelli Family Reunion (held at the beach in
East Haven, CT, for those of you that noticed the increased traffic in
the area) while playing bocci ball, this same Uncle had this
conversation with his oldest brother:

Him:  "I can't believe you support Bush, but then I remembered that
anyone worth over a million dollars does."

Older Uncle:  "...everyone with half a brain does."

I held my tongue, but later Laura and I admitted that we both wanted to
reply, "Yeah, I know a lot of half-wits that vote Republican!"  You
don't want to start a argument at a bocci ball game.

Of course, at the time we were winning 7 to 2.  They did eventually
make a come back and beat us 12 to 11.

I get a strange sense of forboding with what happened.  We had a huge
lead and then lost by one point.  Clinton has a huge lead right now.

This Tuesday Laura & I are volunteering at the local Clinton campaign.
I hope everyone else does too.  If anything GET OUT AND VOTE!

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Families should be more like the Waltons instead of the Simpsons" -G. Bush;
"But we *are* like the Waltons: we're waiting for the Depression to end,
too!" -B. Simpson 8/20;    S7/2 b+ g l+ y z- n++ o++ x++ a-- u+ v+ j+ PIG8/5
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From: wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David Anthony Wyatt)
Subject: New TV Season... Any New Gay Characters???
Originator: wyatt@orwell.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:46:02 GMT

With the new North American television season beginning, I've been reading the
reviews searching for series that include lesbian, bisexual, or gay characters,
and other than the FOX series MELROSE PLACE, I've not read a word about 
glbo*-folk in the most mass-accessed of the mass media.  Has anyone else read or
heard anything, about new or returning shows?  
-- 
---David Wyatt          
Internet:  David_Wyatt@UManitoba.CA                Continuing Education Division
Bitnet:    WYATT@UOFMCC                          University of Manitoba DOWNTOWN
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:42:12 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
>     "I chose not to go public about this because, to misquote
>     'Casablanca,' 'I'm not much at being noble but it doesn't
>     take much to see that the problems of one old actor don't
>     amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.'"
>        --Anthony Perkins 

sigh... and magic johnson will continue to make me gag with
his statement that *he's* living proof that anybody can get
AIDS...  i hate him.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:40:58 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <v=vn+#m.rich@netcom.com> rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen)  
writes:

> You're absolutely right, this is a grave danger.  Why, look what
> happened in the sixties.  The negro fascist lobby used the government's
> power to force people to hire and rent to negroes against their will,
> and look where it's taken us.  People treat them as though they were
> human!  Boy, Clayton, I wish you had been around then.  You could have
> helped us prevent special rights for negroes.

So true; the similarity between then and now is very strong. All the  
arguments you see against gays today have been used against blacks in the  
past. All of them were proven to be ridiculous. The antidiscrimination  
laws have brought us a long way. Why should we expect the situation to be  
any different with lesbians and gays? Oh well, assholes never learn from  
anything, much less history.

-Anthony
From: lje@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (lisa.j.elser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:37:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <mcmelmon-150992101046@mcmelmon.apple.com> mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>Still using 'Boob?'  Such a penetrating wit - but then, you do need a
>penetrating *something* now, don't you, dear?
>
>Isn't thinking about testosterone terribly painful for you?
>
>Melmac


One of the great things about being a lesbian is that when I DO feel
the need for something penetrating I don't run the risk of finding Melmon
attached when I'm done.

Lisa
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:33:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep6.023301.21108
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

The picture that the adorable John Dorrance is referring to is "Man in
a Polyester Suit". I think it's mid 80s, and it is almost undoubtedly
after the death of polyester fashion.

I find that photo to be very funny, an analogy between a polyester
suit and a foreskin (they appear to be the same grey level in the
photo). Improbability.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                            Love under will
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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:16:38 GMT

In article <72133@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>PMS-Envy is such a sorry thing in a queen of advancing years.

How did I know this was coming?

You're a credit to your party, M*tth*w.

-- 
				||| Polly Powledge
				||| Internet: P.S.Powledge@ATT.COM
				||| Uucp:     att!hrmso!psp
Xref: sparky soc.motss:38609 talk.religion.misc:15965
From: bunner@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Dana A. Bunner)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Orson Scott Card
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:49:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Sep9.190421.21354@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes...
>In article <1992Sep8.174649.13536@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com
>(Greg Parkinson) writes:
> 
>>" That one is way out of bounds - it was written to a
>>Mormon audience and should only be received in its context as part of an
>>ongoing discussion in Sunstone Magazine. 

This is ridiculous.  One does not get to specify how material written for
public consumption has to be used.  Plus since there are 4.3 million or
so Mormons in the USA, it is hard to make a case that his comments are
intended for a small audience.

>>I would be curious to know how an electronic copy of that ever came to
>>exist in the first place

Hmmm...I don't suppose Card thought his article was too long to be rekeyed.
Perhaps his copy protection scheme didn't work.

>>, and I most emphatically deny permission for
>>it to be circulated beyond its original context.

>>And you might pass the word to others who might be duplicating that
>>article without the courtesy of asking permission that my fee for each
>>unauthorized copy made of the article, including downloads and uploads
>>and xeroxes, is $10,000."

Wow! And to think anyone can purchase the authorized copies, complete with
the rest of the magazine, for just $4.50 from Sunstone.  After Sunstone 
depletes their stock, I will sell my copy for just $5000.  Any takers?

>He not only objects, he then resorts to threats...what do other Mormons
>think of this, I wonder?

This one thinks he is way out of line.  Surely a famous science fiction
writer would have to believe that if he writes a controversial article 
in a public forum, that people from all walks of life will be interested
in his comments.  I don't see where he gets off (if he is being quoted
correctly) in thinking he can limit distribution of his comments.  Surely
he has the right to limit distribution of the entire article, however 
others can quote or discuss his views to their heart's content and there
is nothing he can do about it.

Dana Bunner
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Summary: More than one groove
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:24:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <y-vnnpg.jfh@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> Another piece of recording trivia, to go with "what symphonies use wind
> machines" and "what two famous movies which opened the same year feature
> themes which start with an octave jump":
> 
> Marilyn vos Savant's column in last week's paper (could that possibly be
> her last name?)  had a question about how many groves are on the side of a
> record.  I think her answer, which hasn't appeared yet, is going to be '1'.
> What record is a counterexample?  Blank records don't count. 
> 

Two that I know of, off hand.  The Mexican 12" of "POP MUZIK" by M had
two groves on the "a" side.  The groves were nested (much like old
quadraphonic records).  You never know which song was going to play.
There was also a 12" by De La Soul called "Me, Myself and I" which had
the same structure.  I guess that the old quadraphonic records would
count too, not to mention the old 7" 33 RPM "albums" which had each
song as an individual groove, nested concentrically.  I think they
were specially made for a specific type of Jukebox in the 50's.  In
most cases, however, a record has 1 groove on each side, as you said.

bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu
Bil Gonzalez

"Groove is in the heart..."
			Lady Miss Kier of Dee-Lite
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From: buckmr@lib403.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: IGLE Opens -- Remnants of Tom's Closet Explode
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:30:33 GMT

tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:

>I'm too excited to go to bed, I had to share this right away:
Thanks for sharing!

>Tonite was the opening night of the IGLE (Institute for Gay and
>Lesbian Education) in West Hollywood. I am so stoked. The IGLE
>is sort of like a lesbian/gay university, modelled after UCLA
>Extension (quality continuing education classes in a variety of
>fields---medicine, law, philosophy, literature, arts), founded
>by Simon LeVay (neuro-biologist who achieved 15 minutes of fame
>last summer with the discovery of an anatomical difference between
>the brains of straight versus gay samples).
So,  how many students did they have enrolled at IGLE and how stable financially
is the venture? Is LeVay going to continue his research on brains?

>I was interviewed at length by the USA Today reporter, and photographed
>along with one of the teachers, and I will be the "poster boy student"
>appearing, so they say, on the front of a USA Today section either later
>this week or early next week. So, look for me at a newsstand near you!!!

>(My "closet door" was pretty wide open already, but I guess now
>I've dynamited it right off the hinges!)
I guess so!! :-)
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:49:04 GMT

Howard (foucault@netcom.com) (H.A.F.)(Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

>>In article <joelp.715858465@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk writes:

>>>In 1876 James (?) Tilden defeated Rutherford B. Hayes in the popular vote,
>>>but the electoral votes from a number of Southern states were contested.
>>>The Republican-dominated Congress set up a Republican-dominated committee
>>>which awarded all the disputed votes to Hayes.


>I think the committee had seven Democrats and seven Republicans; the awarded
>votes were given to Hayes in return for scrapping Reconstruction powers of
>the Fed. Tilden was sacrificed.

Not quite:  I *think* the committee had seven Democrats and *eight*
Republicans:  they wanted an odd number so that the committee could reach some
reasonable decisions -- that much I'm sure on.

The idea was to put an equal number of Democrats and Republicans on the
committee, then get an agreed neutral guy for the swing vote.  I forget who
they found initially -- an ``independent'' Republican, I think -- but the
Republicans bought him off with a cushy judicial seat, and another candidate
had to be found.

The new candidate -- who was definitely a Republican -- failed to live up to
the Democrats' hopes for objectivity.  He consistently voted with the other
Republicans, starting with Florida, which was the Democrats' strongest case.
(Needless to say, the Democrats all voted together, too.  This led to a series
of 8-7 decisions by the committee).

Tilden was sold out, not by the Democrats in Congress, but by leading Southern
Democrats, who weren't too keen on Tilden, a Northerner.  The popular
reasoning is that they accepted Hayes in exchange for having much of
Reconstruction scrapped.

>Motss relevance? Less Than Zero.

Motss relevance?  Minus five and counting....

Joel,
        who usually avoids getting off onto too-tangential discussions
        but wanted to seek penance for his earlier historical bungle

>Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
Joel Parthemore * 31 Ackroyd Ave. * Abbey Hey * Manchester, UK
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: misogyny (previous subject line deleted)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:08:42 GMT

In article <92255.192114IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>and, of course, that leaves the question of why ANYONE would
>have penis envy...  revolting little things...

Or revolting *BIG* things as the case may be.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com

Oh yes, :-) for the humor impaired
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: I am leather (was: Re: Hate mail)
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:58:04 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Sep10.083239.29216@wam.umd.edu>,
jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) considers the poison pen:
> > >From: oecheruo@sugrfx.acs.syr.edu (okechukwu c. echeruo)
> > 
> I'm convinced that this name must be a
> really naughty anagram, but when it comes
> to word puzzles I always defer to my more
> clever twin-brother Rog.

In the interests of enlightenment, I've had a bit of a delve,
and I'm afraid it's slim pickens.
I *have* managed to confirm the connection between
stiflers of freedom and under-endowment:
only men with a WEE COCK CHOKE UHURU.
Sadly, such people even in the UK OCCUR (HECK! WO! EHEU!).
But are *we* obliged to educate them?
Is it CURE CUCKOO WEEK, HUH?

I may have stumbled on his real email address, however:
hu@cherokee.uwc.co.uk

> [Who, by the way, has little else to 
>  entertain him, living virtually as a
>  castaway on that itsy-bitsy island.]

Jeff-babes, you don't know what pressure *is*
until you've stayed up to 3am on a Friday night
writing a cryptic clue for MAGIC
for a competition whose entry has to bear Saturday's postmark.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*dick* (slang) n. fine words (for *dictionary*):  also for *declaration*,
as _to take one's dick_, and prob. _up to dick_, excellent (up to
declared value)" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:56:58 GMT


In a previous article, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) says:

>Another piece of recording trivia, to go with "what symphonies use wind
>machines" and "what two famous movies which opened the same year feature
>themes which start with an octave jump":
>
>Marilyn vos Savant's column in last week's paper (could that possibly be
>her last name?)  had a question about how many groves are on the side of a
>record.  I think her answer, which hasn't appeared yet, is going to be '1'.
>What record is a counterexample?  Blank records don't count. 
>
Marilyn is seriously annoying.  She gives a bad name to intellectuals...

However...

Does anyone remember the feeble attempt some years ago (perhaps the late
60's?) when someone attempted to perfect a quadraphonic phonograph?  It
had an a-groove and a b-groove, and the player had 2 microneedles in a
cartarge.  Unfortunatly, there was no way to make sure the needles went into
the correct groove, and the result was, at best, hard to listen to, as the 
b-needle would be playing the track before the a-groove...


>
>-- 
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
>
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: Wiener's World
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:51:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.143520.26263@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>On my walk this morning, I met a wonderfully pleasant Pekingese.
>Her human talked to my human, he had that gay-male-voice (oh,
>they think I don't listen, they think I don't *know*).  Thank
>heaven, this time my human got the Peke's name.
>
>Half the time she's asking stupid questions ("is your dog friendly?" 
>- *I* am the expert on that around here) or goofing around in her
>godawful Spanish (tell *me* to vamos, ha).  
>
>Just because I'm blind, they think I didn't catch the guy's voice,
>and the Peke's rhinestone collar.  Good stuff; my human likes
>queers.  And the Peke's name:  Marilyn.  Marilyn and I are just
>the same size too, and both insufferably cute.
>
>Nice walk.
>
>Wiener Vasilatos

So one day my SO is walking around campus and she needs to find a
building she's never visited before.  So once she thinks she's near the
building she stops some student who was passing by, and asked her for
directions.  So this student bends down and starts telling my SO's
guide dog to go so far straight, take a left, etc.  My SO naturally
interrupts and informs the abovementioned clueless student that: (a) it
was she and not the dog who had asked the question, so it would be nice
if the response were addressed to her as well, and (b) the guide dog
only knew Spanish and wouldn't learn English until the fall.  And the
poor girl says "Really, I didn't know guidedogs could learn spanish."

True story, as best as I can recall her recounting it to me.

marshall
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