From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Macedonian World Congress
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:00:38 GMT



SAS jokes:

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             S K O P J I A N   W O R L D   C O N G R E S S

            Organizational Members Located Throughout the World


     Therefore:

   The Claims put forward by Greece that the ancient Macedonians
were Greeks, that their native language was Greek, and that
Macedonia was a region of Greece are all false. The historical truth
is that Greece was inhabited by Greeks, Macedonia by Macedonians.

     Author:

   Jacques Bacid, Ph.D. Columbia University, 1983, has taught Slavic
   languages, Balkan, and East European history at the University of
   Oregon. He writes and lectures on these subjects. Jacques Bacid
   is a chairperson of the Illyrian Committee. He is an American
   Croatian.

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OK. Let's see Ph.Ds from non Croatian (Tito) origins:

First Ph.D.
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From the probably most respected internationally German 
historian of classic times, Malcolm Errington professor at 
the University of Marburg, and his english translation 
book: "A History of Macedonia", University of California 
Press, Los Angeles, 1990, pp. 3-4:

... That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak 
a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded 
nowdays as certain. The Macedonian dialect made use of 
many loan words from the languages of their Illyrian and 
Thracian neighbours, a circumstance that does not surprise 
modern philologists but provided ancient opponents of 
Macedonia with "proof" that they could not be Greeks.

Second Ph.D
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From the most reputable worldwide British historian of 
the ancient Greek period, N. G. L. Hammond, professor in 
the University of Bristol, I copy from his book: "The 
Macedonian State", Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1989, pp. 12-
15:

The language of the Macedonians

What language did these "Macedones" speak? The name it-
self is Greek in root and in ethnic termination.
...
Hesiod, Persia, and Hellanicus had no motive for making 
a false statement about the language of the Macedonians, 
who were then an obscure and not a powerful people. Their 
independent testimonies should be accepted as conclusive.
Ancient Macedonian was a Greek dialect.

Third Ph.D
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From the book: "IN THE SHADOW OF OLYMPUS. THE EMERGENCE OF MACEDON"
Eugene N. Borza. Princeton University Press, Princeton, New Jersey, 1990.


Chapter 4:   Who Were the Macedonians?

p 78

We have seen (Chapter 3) that the "MAKEDONES" or
"highlanders" of mountainous western Macedonia may have been derived from
northwest GREEK STOCK. That is, northwest Greece provided a pool of Indo-
European SPEAKERS of PROTO-GREEK from which emerged the tribes who were later
known by different names as they established their regional identities in
separate parts os the country.

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And after we finished with the Ph.Ds in Ancient History, let's give a
look to Ph.Ds in Modern History and how is related to the Skopjians:

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*  "Harvard  Encyclopedia of American  Ethnic  Groups", Stephan Thernstrom,  *
*   Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1980,                *
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*   and from the entry under the title: Macedonians, p. 691:                 *
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Macedonian  L E A D E R S  BEGAN to develop a strong sense of  R E G I O-   [1]
N A L  I D E N T I T Y  in  the  19th  century, but it  was not until the 
20th  century  that  SOME  I N T E L L E C T U A L S  BEGAN to  A R G U E   [2]
that Macedonian Slavs  were neither Bulgarian nor Serbian, nor Greek, but 
a  S E P A R A T E  P E O P L E. The  C O M M U N I S T  party  of  Yugo-   [3]
slavia  SUPPORTED THIS IDEA   during World War II, and in 1945 a People's 
(later Socialist) Republic of Macedonia was established as one of the six
constituent republics of the Federal Socialist  Republic of Yugoslavia. A
Macedonian  L I T E R A R Y  L A N G U A G E  was  D E V E L O P E D, and
the   I D E A  of  Macedonian  N A T I O N A L I T Y  was  E N C O U R A-
G E D. In 1958 a Macedonian Orthodox C H U R C H  was  C R E A T E D, and
nine years later it acquired jurisdictional independence. Neighboring Bu-
lgaria, which  has a  Macedonian  minority population, initially  favored
these developments and from 1944 to 1958 even recognized the existence of
a  Macedonian  nationality. Since 1958, however, Bulgaria has argued that
all  Macedonians are  Bulgarians, and this policy contributes to the dis-
cord and  tension  between  Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

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After all these, let's go back to work.
There is no reason to worry about the 
ancient MACEDONIANS; they were ALL GREEK.
And the SKOPJIANS    today are ALL SLAVS.


Ciao!

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