From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Family Values
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:12:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <edjans01.716480793@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>, edjans01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing) writes:
> In <1992Sep13.171912.18924@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:
> 
> 
>>	So, I suppose you are ignorant of the story of the city
>>which wanted to forcefully copulate with a Jewish family.  You are
>>probably familiar with the name.  Angels escorted the Jewish family out
>>of the city and God destroyed it.  There were no instances in the bible
>>in which Jews went out of their way to kill or molest homosexuals.  That
>>is what I said.  In your defensiveness you lend yourself to ignorance
>>and fear.
> 
> Wrong!  Boy, you have got that story all screwed up.  First off, it was
> not a city, it was a village.  Second, they were not interested at all
> in Lot or his family; they were interested in the two strangers that Lot
> and his family had provided accomdations and lodging.  BTW, the two
> strangers were the angels that you spoke of.  In a fit of anger and
> desparation to find out who these two strangers were (they could have
> been from an enemy camp), they asked Lot, "Bring them out, so that we
> may know them."  The Hebrew word for know in this case was "Yahda" 
> which NEVER means "to get to know in a sexual way."  It more precisely
> means "to get to know through an introduction."  The village was 
> destroyed for inhospitality, which is the most heinious crime in the
> Jewish law.
> 
> Wanna know how I know this?  Just read John McNeil, S.J. or any other
> Scripture Scholar that has bothered not to stick his big ol' biggotted
> nose into the Bible, looking to bash people with it.  Homosexuality and
> the myth of Sodom and Gomorrah is just that:  a myth.  God destroyed
> it because the people of S & G were a hateful, depraved people.  NOT because
> it was thought that they were engaging in homosexual acts.
> 
> BTW, Lot offered his daughters, not because hetrosexuality is the
> norm, but because, what other way would you distract and calm a group of
> angry men outside your door.  In the Jewish faith, it was more
> honorable to protect your guests than your own family.
> 
> 
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Dave,

     I neither have a Greek New Testament nor do I read Greek, but
the English translations I have for Jude 7 seem to be inconsistent
with your interpretation.  Can you help resolve this inconsistency?

     Cary
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