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From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Summary: No Regulation, No franchises!
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:06:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.223844.1766@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.141025.1748@mdd.comm.mot.com> kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joe Kelsey) writes:
>>
>>Look at the new central district cable franchise -- awarded as the last
>>franchise in Seattle, it has the 72-channel capacity!  So, if you want better
>>cable, move downtown!  Look at the report from Spokane -- 72-channel cable
>>there!  Why can't the major cable companines in Seattle do this?  Can you say
>>``unregulated monopoly''?  I knew you could!
>>
 
>While I sympathise with your loathing of cable companies, it should be
>pointed out that they have a monopoly *granted* my the city (or county in
>unincorporated areas).  This is hardly the image of an unregulated
>monopoly.  In fact, monopolies are very fragile things.  They don't exist
>for long except when *sponsored* by governments which have the power to
>keep out competitors.  Cable companies are regulated.  They just aren't
>*as* regulated as this bill would make them.
 
Which sounds like a good argument to prohibit the granting of
franchises to _any_ company!  I have read articles about
several cities that have stopped granting franchises to
cable companies.  The cost has gone down and the service has
gone up, and the consumer has more than one company to
choose from, not just the usual "Take it or Leave it!"
choice of the exclusive franchise.
From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: PAL/NTSC Conversion
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 15:55:12 PDT
Organization: J. Benedict Computing
Reply-To: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Distribution: seattle
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Sep30.150951.15796@beaver.cs.washington.edu> (seattle.general), graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:
> A friend of a friend has a PAL format tape of her daughter's wedding in
> Britain and would like it converted to American standards. Where in this
> area does this and how much does it cost?

On page 39 of the October 1992 "World Press Review", there is an ad
for a company which will convert the tape from PAL to NTSC.  They
don't give any details, but do give a toll-free number: 1-800-477-8433

I don't know anything about this except what was in this small ad.

Jeff

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From: rayj@Celestial.COM (Ray Jones)
Subject: Re: environmental costs of windpower
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 21:00:46 GMT

In <MS-C.718176375.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:

>If you think that windmills are environmentally neutral, go to one of the
>California windmill farms and see for yourself.  Better yet, *think* of what a
>windmill farm entails; a whole gaggle of tall towers with *large* propellers

Is that environmentally hazardous or just not pleasing to your eye?

>(remember, you have to get *more* joules of power out of the wind than what
>you generate -- laws of thermodynamics & all that -- and it takes a fair
>amount of umph to turn a generator),

Yes, that seems to be true of ALL forms of power generation.

>with various towers pointed in various
>directions to cover the directions the wind blows. 

You might take a closer look next time, those towers rotate into the
wind.

>Can't have any trees (they block the wind).  Too bad about the birds. 

You mean they cut down all those trees?  What trees?  The area with the
wind farms are located in semi-desert grass land.  There has been no
trees there for a few hundred thousand years!  Birds would have to be
both dumb and slow to be hurt by a wind generator - the blades turn
slowly.

>Too bad about any use of the land.
The land is semi-desert grass land, was used for grazing before the wing
generators -- IT STILL IS.

>Too bad about the noise.
It must bug the hell out of those cows.  Last time I was there, I
stopped along the road to watch.  Little or no noise, but then I was at
least 100 yards away.

>Windmill farms are great if you are getting a tax credit to build 'em, don't
>have to turn a profit, and don't have to care about how they affect the
>locale.  They suck big time if they have to generate enough electricity to pay
>for their construction and maintenance, if you care about the environment
>around them,...

Heard on the news last week that the generators were turning a profit up
until this year, however 'El Nino' (sp) has caused a sharp drop in the
wind.

Lets see, oil/coal/other fosil fuel used to generate = 0
CO2 released = 0
Seems like a good deal to me.
-- 
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Paying for unlisted phone number.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:36:36 GMT

ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp) writes:
>I just investigated changing my home phone number to an
>unlisted number, and was told by GTE NW that it will cost 
>me $2.20 each MONTH!!!    
>
>This is absurd!  I can understand paying a one-time service 
>fee to alter my database entry, but why should I have to 
>continuously pay for my privacy?

When they print the phone books each year, they've got to move all the names
past yours down to fill the gap.  Thus, it costs them each year to unlist
your number.  Hence, the fee.

--Tim Smith
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: family leave
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:49:37 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

>Michael Burr writes:
>>The problem that I have with the republicans' tax incentive plan for
>>family leave is that what you really wind up with is a situation wehere
>>taxpayers are paying-off their employers for better treatment - just
>>seems wrong to me.

In article <MS-C.717630104.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) replys:

>The notion that corporate taxes are painless to individuals is based on the
>flawed notion that corporations are wallowing in huge amounts of money that
>can be extracted without any significant effect.  The fact is that corporate
>taxes are passed on, dollar per dollar, to consumers in the form of higher
>prices.

Mark, nowhere in my original posting did I state that corporate taxes are
painless to individuals.  Social programs cost money, and it's pretty obvious
that the costs always gets back to the individual one way or another.
I have two reasons for preferring the Democratic plan.

    1. I don't like the concept of bribing/rewarding employers for such
       "good behavior".  And before you get started, I know we already
       do it for lots of other things.... I just don't want to add another
       one to the list.  I would rather the cost of this program be considered
       a cost of doing business rather than a reward for treating people
       decently.


    2. I think we should get away from using the tax codes everytime we
       want to change some groups behavior... it's no wonder we have the
       most complicated tax system in the world.

-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: U Dist. Restaurants?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:40:01 GMT


In <1992Oct1.152551.22097@u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan {IS}) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.031732.26055@nwnexus.WA.COM> guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>>I need some recommendations for restaurants, coffee shops,
>>etc. in the U district where I can meet a lady friend for
>>some coffee, a bite to eat, and some casual, and possibly
>>serious, conversation.  They must be open late Sunday
>>afternoon and early evening.
>
>There's a coffee shop at 42nd & University (Roma something?) where all the
>twentysomrthings hang out.  Good prices!

If you want somewhere quiet and good atmosphere, I recommend these two,
which are opened later than almost anyone else on the U Way.

1) European Pastry: between 41st and 42nd on the University Way, next
   to the First Interstate Bank.
2) College Inn: Corner of University Way and 39th(???, I suddenly forget
   the street name).  But it is 2 blocks south of the European Pastry.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: pvroby@milton.u.washington.edu (Paul Roby)
Subject: Paid blood donors wanted for research
Summary: University of Washington research project needs your blood.
Keywords: blood research money job donor
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:52:20 GMT

nyone intered in donating blood (about a pint) for use in an
instrument development research project at the UofW, please email
pvroby@u.washington.edu, or call Paul Roby at 783-7265.  This is a
research blood draw, done at Puget Sound Blood Center (downtown),
under a protocol approved by the UW Human Subjects Review Committee.

Donors should be generally healthy, and at least 18years old.
The blood will not be tested for AIDS, or anything else that can
be traced to the donor.  *Donors are paid $25 per donation*, and
can donate up to once every 8 weeks.  Transportation assistance
is available.

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From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:16:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.160601.10232@eskimo.celestial.com> wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.223844.1766@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
> 
>>While I sympathise with your loathing of cable companies, it should be
>>pointed out that they have a monopoly *granted* my the city (or county in
>>unincorporated areas).
etc...
> 
>Which sounds like a good argument to prohibit the granting of
>franchises to _any_ company!  I have read articles about
>several cities that have stopped granting franchises to
>cable companies.  The cost has gone down and the service has
>gone up, and the consumer has more than one company to
>choose from, not just the usual "Take it or Leave it!"
>choice of the exclusive franchise.
>

Agreed.  The government can't be expected to protect the
people from monopolies it has *created*.  The situation we have
with cable companies today is analogous to the one with
the big railroads in the 1800's.

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From: ski@atc.boeing.com (Chris Kacoroski,none)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: SkiForAll
Keywords: Skiing
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: ski@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing - Product Manufacturing Knowledge Based Systems

Hi,

SkiForAll is a non-profit group dedicated to providing year round instruction
in outdoor recreation for people with physical, developmental, and sensory 
disabilities.  We are looking for volunteer instructors for the downhill 
and cross country Ski programs taught at Snoqualmie pass.  You do not need to be
an expert skier to participate as SkiForAll will match you with a student that 
matches your abilities (in fact, I learned to cross country ski by becoming an 
instructor 3 years ago).  All you need is an interest in skiing, teaching, and 
some caring for the students.  This is a great way to improve your skills, meet
people, and get outside in the winter.


Benefits and costs are:

Costs:
Attend orientation meetings on Nov. 2 and Nov. 15.
Attend one weekend of on-snow clinics (probably Dec 12-13).
Teach class one day or night per week for 7 consecutive weeks starting Jan 14-17.

Benefits:
Joy of teaching in outdoors in the Pacific Northwest.
Working with a great group of existing instructors.
Personal instruction to improve your skiing skills from other instructors.
Other activities with instructors (ski trips, parties, etc.).
Instructors pass to Snoqualmie Pass ski areas (good at any time on any lift).


Please contact me or the SkiForAll office at 328-3732 for more information.


Cheers,

Chris "ski" Kacoroski	"When we try to pick out anything by itself
ski@atc.boeing.com	 we find it connected to the entire universe"
							John Muir
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dwdyer@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Film, "The Panama Deception", at Metro Cinemas. Hurry!
Keywords: film metro panama limited engagement
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:54:19 GMT

january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling) writes:


>Metro Cinemas (4500 9th NE, in the U District) is  currently 
>showing the Empowerment Project film "The Panama Deception."
>The  film shows daily at 9:30P.  Admission is 6.50$.   Seven 
>Gables  Discount Cards, which provide 5 admissions for  20$, 
>are  accepted Monday through Thursday, and are available  at 
>the box office.

But, I seem to recall you can only use two at a a time, and don't tear
them from the book first.  But, at the Metro, you need to hand them the
ticket book to get tickets, so you probably -could- scam them by
giving the ticket book to friends after you get your tickets.  Ethical?
You paid the money...

[...]

I saw this at the Neptune, and was quite pleased with it.  The ONLY
thing that struck me as a little unbelievable was the claim made by
some Panamanians regarding laser weapons.  Cutting cars in half and 
all that.  But, the filmmaker didn't make that claim, only mentioning
it in passing.  

This reminds me, I just read a post in misc.activism.progressive that
Physicians for Social Responsibility issued a press release (Sept 21)
that mentioned the possibility Bush's thyroid has been influencing his
decisions (they specifically mention Desert Storm).

The author says this is "speculative".  It does make one think about
Panama as well...

-- 
                 Wayne Dyer --- dwdyer@polari.online.com  
  "I mistrust all systematizers and I avoid them. The will to a system
      is a lack of integrity."  -Nietzsche, _Twilight of the Idols_
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: U Dist. Restaurants?
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:30:08 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <machman.718055106@milton> machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:
>
>Try the Last Exit on Brooklyn, just south of 40th st.  They have 
>espresso, coffee, teas, sandwiches, soups, desserts, etc., and
>a unique atmosphere.
>
He's right that it's a great place, but be forwarned:  the unique
atmosphere he mentions is tobacco smoke, lots of it (unless it's
changed - I haven't been in there for about 2 years).
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: slh@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Film, "The Panama Deception", at Metro Cinemas. Hurry!
Keywords: film metro panama limited engagement
Organization: NONE
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:34:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.013311.5990@eskimo.celestial.com> january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling) writes:
>dwdyer@polari.online.com writes:
>
>>january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling) writes:
>.
>.
>.
>>>The  film shows daily at 9:30P.  Admission is 6.50$.   Seven 
>>>Gables  Discount Cards, which provide 5 admissions for  20$, 
>>>are  accepted Monday through Thursday, and are available  at 
>>>the box office.
>
>>But, I seem to recall you can only use two at a a time, and don't tear
>>them from the book first...
>
>I had no idea there were limitations on the use of the discount
>cards.  I wonder if perhaps we are talking about different
>coupons.  The discount cards with which I am familiar are printed
>on a single small piece of heavy paper, with 5 numbers (1-5) on
>each.  One number is punched for each admission.  To my knowledge
>there are no limitations on their use, other than that they are
>only accepted Mon-Thu at 7G theaters other than the Neptune,
>and that they have expiration dates.
>-- 

	I don't know for sure about the cards now,
	but I do know that when I use to buy the Neptune ones (punch type)
	would only admit two people at a time
	(I use to have more than one at a time for this reason).
	Of course if anyone really wants to know,
	they should just call the theater.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:58:59 GMT

In article <3096@voodoo.UUCP> mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>In article <351@sleepy.UUCP> oster@sleepy.UUCP (Ken Oster) writes:
>>
>>Also, you neglected to mention that the whole bill was a political
>>ATTEMPT by the Democratic Party controlled Congress to bash Bush for 
>>being hypocritical on "family" values/issues.
>>
>
>Oh, then you admit that Bush is hypocritical on the family values issue :^)
>Seriously, the only thing that the Demos did with this bill that I'm 
>aware of is select the timing very carefully.  

Actually, it's worth remembering that Congress passed the family
leave bill previously (sometime in the last couple years), but
George vetoed it then, too.  Maybe Congress was watching the
Republican Convention and thought George had changed his mind....
-- 
  Dave Johnson

"You're not too smart, are you?  I like that in a man."
    --Kathleen Turner in Body Heat
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Paying for unlisted phone number.
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:48:04 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

If I can remember right and if they haven't change their policy, you can have
your name listed as whatever you want.  If this is still true, it's as good
as being unlisted, don't you agree? ;-)

George

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In article <1992Oct5.230254.4013@GTEtele.com> ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp) writes:
>I just investigated changing my home phone number to an
>unlisted number, and was told by GTE NW that it will cost 
>me $2.20 each MONTH!!!    
>
>This is absurd!  I can understand paying a one-time service 
>fee to alter my database entry, but why should I have to 
>continuously pay for my privacy?   The only reason I can 
>surmise is that GTE wants to discourage people from not listing, 
>which would leave them with less numbers to sell/publish.
>


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Subject: Re: environmental costs of windpower
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:56:56 GMT

In article <MS-C.718176375.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
> If you think that windmills are environmentally neutral, go to one of the
> California windmill farms and see for yourself.  Better yet, *think* of what a
> windmill farm entails; a whole gaggle of tall towers with *large* propellers
> (remember, you have to get *more* joules of power out of the wind than what
> you generate -- laws of thermodynamics & all that -- and it takes a fair
> amount of umph to turn a generator), with various towers pointed in various
> directions to cover the directions the wind blows.  Can't have any trees (they
> block the wind).  Too bad about the birds.  Too bad about any use of the land.
> Too bad about the noise.
>

Will Rogers once remarked: 
    "It's not what he don't know that bothers me,
     it's what he knows for sure that just ain't so."



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From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:54:06 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <351@sleepy.UUCP> oster@sleepy.UUCP (Ken Oster) writes:
>
>Also, you neglected to mention that the whole bill was a political
>ATTEMPT by the Democratic Party controlled Congress to bash Bush for 
>being hypocritical on "family" values/issues.
>

Oh, then you admit that Bush is hypocritical on the family values issue :^)
Seriously, the only thing that the Demos did with this bill that I'm 
aware of is select the timing very carefully.  

>By the way, you neglected to mention that Bush has proposed a less
>rigid family leave bill that Republicans in the House are introducing..
>It is based more on tax incentives that government ordering employers
>what to do...

The problem that I have with the republicians' tax incentive plan for
family leave is that what you really wind up with is a situtation where
taxpayers are paying-off their employers for better treatment - just
seems wrong to me.





-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:48:20 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <1992Sep28.195107.12497@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes, while quoting others:
:>>> Say you have a contractor begin remodeling your kitchen.  Halfway
:>>> through the job the worker's child is born and he stops work for
:>>> *three months*.  Now you can't give the job to someone else -- after
:>>> all, by legislative fiat he has the right to leave you in the lurch.
:>>> So your kitchen remains unusable for one quarter of a year -- but

:>   The family leave bill only applied to companies with >50 people.
:
:At that somehow makes it right?  The same principle applies.

Right or not, there is a difference.  If you are going to require
it (and I don't know if it should be required or not), at least
require it of companies that can better afford to give the benefit.

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