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Subject: RE:Desired deafness in offspring
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:49:00 GMT
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        Welcome Mark!  Good to hear from you...

>From:         "(Mark Hunt)" <markhunt@ZEN.CAC.STRATUS.COM>
>Subject:      Desired deafness in offspring
                 I would understand happiness in giving birth to a healthy
>child, be it hearing or deaf.  I am confussed as why you would wish for a
>child to be deaf though.  I do not wish to offend or imply that deafness is
>bad, but I am confussed as to why someone would wish for it in thier child.
>I am happy for her children to be able to grow up in an environment where
>they can observe communication at a very young age.  Where they can develop the
>ability to communicate and ask the millions of questions that help them learn
>about the world they see around them.  I am however, still confused as to the
>desire.

        I would love to hear an answer from the deaf on this.
        Personally, if it were my child and I were deaf, this
        would mean that we would be "alike", and that for reasons
        of "life" in general, we would have that truly wonderful
        relationship between father/son, etc.....

        Mark's comments about "I do not wish to offend, etc...."
        are something that all hearies have to learn and take into
        consideration about the deaf.  We hearies don't intentionally
        want to "offend" anyone, hearing or deaf.
        Would be wise to think about what we say before we say it, huh?

                                        Good post,
                                        Things that make ya go Hmmmmmm?
                                        Steven Conlee
                                        CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Subject: Re: Lipreading
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:18:00 GMT
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Henry Adler says:-
>I have a question for you, Barry.  Would you assume that I'm one of the
>deaf people who can't lipread, just because a statistics test (e.g., ANOVA)
>shows that the majority of the deaf people can't lipread?

No. The group of profoundly deaf would have some who can lipread. What we are
trying to find out is if this group significantly differs in lipreading success
from another group, like the moderately deaf.

I realise that this test cannot be used to say all profoundly deaf cannot
lipread. The group of profoundly deaf subjects has to represent the
profoundly deaf population at large - that's the normality assumption.

I don't think any valid statistic test will find that all deaf people can't
lipread !! :-)

Cheers,
Barry.
From: pj_pycro@csd.uwe.ac.uk (PJ Pycroft)
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Subject: public i.d. & passwd for Galluadet
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:04:39 GMT
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>Jay Weston (jweston@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
>
>I'd like to find out if Gallaudet has anonymous ftp.  Anybody on this
>list know if it is and, if so, the telnet address?  
>
>Jay Weston
>Carleton U
>Ottawa ON
>
>jweston@carleton.ca

and

>Roy Miller (GE0013@SIUCVMB.BITNET) wrote:
> The TELNET address for Gallaudet University is GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU.
> 
> -- Roy Miller
>    Creator and Owner of DEAF-L
>    (ge0013@siucvmb.siu.edu)

Thanks for telnet address.... I have tried that before, it need a
i.d. and a passwd and I can't get in with public id - ftp and 
passwd - anonymous.

I have connected to many another University in some part of the world
with a public id and passwd but not with galluadet.....

Any hints would be grateful obtained

Paul

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Eagle...If you would like an info packet for Deaftek.USA which is comprised of
the organizations, agencies, schools, univ. programs and professionals in the
field of Deafness, send me your U.S. Mail address.  Deaftek.USA is an E-Mail
service which resides on SprintMail and is a subscription service.

Brenda Monene
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From:         Cynthia Clark <cclark@CNRI.RESTON.VA.US>
Subject:      Re: Telnet address at Gallaudet
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Hi Scott again,

Yes, I am interested to be on the "Notes" which is an e-mail
discussion in Gallaudet.  How can I get on the "Notes" ?

Cynthia


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	Cynthia>	How can I get an account to get an access to
	Cynthia>	the Gallaudet network ?



Scott>	You can't. There are specific guidelines for obtaining a Vax account
Scott>	here at Gallaudet. In a nutshell, you must be a student, faculty, staff
Scott>	or be doing research in and for the university to get on line here. Is
Scott>	there something specific you're looking for? Maybe I can help you out if
Scott>	you're interested..... Drop me a line and let me know.

Scott>	11srust@gallua.gallaudet.edu


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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:24:01 -0500
From:         Henry Adler <adler@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      re: desired deafness in offspring

If I have kids, I'd love them, no matter what.  If they are healthy, that
would be great.  If they are deaf or blind or whatever non-threatening, that
would be no problem, either, because I was born deaf and learn not to expect
much from the world and because my kids would have nowhere but go upward.  But
if they are born with a threatening disease, such as progeria (premature
aging), then I'd be disappointed and worried because they may not live
long.

Remember that this is only a personal view of mine, and I don't know if I'd
feel the same way when I am on the way to becoming a real father because
there is a line between theory and reality.

Regards,

Henry
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Subject: Re: Close Caption Decoder

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I have had one for over a year now and it has not broken down at all.  I
am seeing them advertised in the Boston area  on what seems to be a
national add by Zenith.  There are at least 3 models that have Decoders
and they come already built in.  There is a simple button on the  remote
control to put the captions on.  It may not be the greatest with the
large font size or the other features you mentioned, but they are still
the only one and I agree they should be commended.  I am sure that it
consumers write to them with constructive criticism, they can get them
to make improvements.  When you do that, you should be sure to commend them
on their early compliance with ADA...I think that is just as important as the
constructive criticism.

Brenda
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From: mheney@access.digex.com (Michael K. Heney)
Subject: Re:      Re: Bio of a Bit Basher
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:08:08 GMT

In article <9211061023.aa03640@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US> Cynthia Clark <cclark@CNRI.RESTON.VA.US> writes:
>Mike Heney>    DEAF ACTIVITIES:
>Mike Heney>         I participate with my wife in MCAD (Montgomery County
>Mike Heney>         Association of the Deaf) Activities.  We're the only
>Mike Heney>         two hearing folks in the MCAD bowling league.  Also
>Mike Heney>         worked on the MCAD Haunted Woods as tour guides this past
>Mike Heney>         Halloween, and attended the party (440 people, 95% deaf!).
>
>
>Mike,
>
>Welcome aboard !
>
>If you are referring to the Halloween party at
>Clarksburg, Maryland, I was there, too !!  Well, I was
>one of a few last people leaving the party, I heard
>it was way over 600 people !!  It was a huge success!
>It was one of the "most talked about party of the year".
>I'd wish to congratulate these people whoever did
>organize that event.
>
>They gave out 20 (or 15?) prizes for these costumes.
>I actually won a prize as "a friendliest ghost in town"-
>I wore the ghost white mask which did GLOW during the whole evening.
>
>My other deaf brother, Kevin, also won a prize as the
>"tallest guy in the whole world" with a serious spooky mask -
>over eight feet tall ! He had "a special machine" that
>could make himself shrink down to a normal size and then
>increase his height up to eight feet tall.  It was really spooky
>especially when you turn around finding him very tall instantly
>like a boom.  Ha, ha, ha
>
>Cynthia Clark
>A born-deaf Reader

Sounds like the same party to me.  Your brother's costume was
incredible.  White harlequin mask and a wand with a flashing skull
on it?  My wife was certain that it was a woman in that outfit,
because of the fluidity of the hand and arm motions while signing.

I was the obviously hearing vampire - you know, hands in pocket and
smiling a lot!!  My wife was a witch - close to 6' tall and with green
makeup on.  We got the number 440 from the organizers Monday night at
bowling.

-- 
Mike Heney                |   Senior Systems Analyst and     |  Reach for the
mheney@access.digex.com   |  Space Activist / Entrepreneur   |  Stars, eh?
Kensington, MD (near DC)  |     * Will Work for Money *      |
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From: mheney@access.digex.com (Michael K. Heney)
Subject: Bio of a Bit Basher
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:57:27 GMT


When I first started looking in on DEAF-L, I figured I'd be mostly just
reading along kind of quiet-like.  HAH!  I seem to be posting something
about once a week, so I guess a bio would be a polite thing to post.
So, without further ado, let me introduce ....


NAME: Mike Heney

AGE: 36

MARTIAL: Married, my wife Susan is also hearing.

LOCATION:  Kensington, MD - a DC suburb.  
           Moved here from Ann Arbor Mich in Dec 1991.

OCCUPATION: Computer jockey, currently contracting at EPA in Washington DC

WIFE'S OCCUPATION: Sign Language Interpreter for SLA. 

WHAT'S NEXT?: Lotsa stuff.  I'm looking for a new job (my contract 
              expires in April 1993); trying to start up a bank (!),
              want to fly in space, etc. ...

HOBBIES: Bridge (more of a passion, really), reading, putting around on
         my motorcycle, hacking on my computer, playing harmonica
         (passibly) and saxaphone (*badly*)

WISH TO BE ABLE TO FIND TIME TO DO: All of my hobbies - but better!

HEARING STATUS: Hearing.

COMMUNICATION SKILLS: Marginal signing abilities

EDUCATION: University of Michigan 1974-1983  BS, Computer Sciences
                                  1984-1989  almost MS, Computer Sciences

DEAF ACTIVITIES:  I participate with my wife in MCAD (Montgomery County
                  Association of the Deaf) Activities.  We're the only
                  two hearing folks in the MCAD bowling league.  Also
                  worked on the MCAD Haunted Woods astour guides this past
                  Halloween, and attended the party (440 people, 95% deaf!).
      
WORST THING ABOUT DEAFNESS: Forcing me to accept that I'm Receptively
                            Impaired!

BEST THING ABOUT DEAFNESS: Quiet, no irritating sounds at any time (except
when I'm wearing hearing aids)

FAVORITE SAYING #1: *DEE*tails!

WHY JOIN DEAF-L: 1) Because It's There!
                 2) Being the Computer Geek in the family, I'm best able
                    to follow this group.  And if anything interesing
                    is going on, I can let my wife know about it 
                    (she's in charge of the Social Calander).
-- 
Mike Heney                |   Senior Systems Analyst and     |  Reach for the
mheney@access.digex.com   |  Space Activist / Entrepreneur   |  Stars, eh?
Kensington, MD (near DC)  |     * Will Work for Money *      |
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From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: Desired deafness in offspring
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:41:15 GMT

In article <9211051429.AA14956@zen.cac.stratus.com> "(Mark Hunt)" <markhunt@ZEN.CAC.STRATUS.COM> writes:

>class confusion.  I would understand happiness in giving birth to a healthy
>child, be it hearing or deaf.  I am confussed as why you would wish for a
>child to be deaf though.  I do not wish to offend or imply that deafness is
>bad, but I am confussed as to why someone would wish for it in thier child.

I think that's because many Deaf people tend to see themselves as
a different race rather than a group of disabled people. (Not a true
race, mind you, but...)

Let me try an analogy here...suppose that you are a green-skinned Martian
living among purple-skinned Jupiterians. One day you discover that you are
pregnant...which child would you rather have, green-skinned Martian like
yourself or purple-skinned Jupiterian?

-- Ms. Pepper

--
                    Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt
 
Portal: ms-pepper@cup.portal.com
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From:         "(Tilak Ratnanather)" <tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU>
Subject:      60 Minutes

Can anyone who watched the '60 Minutes' documentary this
evening (Nov 8th 1992) on the controversy of cochlear
implants please advise me on how to get the transcripts
of the program. I am told that CBS offer a transcript
service.

As I missed the program, I am not in a position to
comment on it. However, from what I have heard from
my friend I have to say that the NAD must find a
better and more rational argument against cochlear
implants for deaf children. To say that the doctors
go for it because they want the dollars is an insult
to the dedicated otolaryngologists in the United States
and abroad.

Regards

Tilak

PS I should add a rider that while I am a research fellow
in an Otolaryngology department, I am not an MD.

Tilak Ratnanather, D.Phil.,    Internet: tratnana@eureka-gold.wbme.jhu.edu
Dept of Otolaryngology -- Head & Neck Surgery    || Phone 410 955 3877
The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine  || Fax   410 955 1299
Traylor Research Bldg 522, 720 Rutland Avenue    || Fax   410 955 0549
Baltimore MD 21205-2196                          ||
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Subject:      Re: deaf wish

Bosco, while I wouldn't wish for a child to be born deaf
and for many of the same reasons you mention in your
note, I do have a quibble...

You say that a child with hearing will sail
thru life? Not so. Everyone has problems of one kind or
another, no matter what their physical status is, or their
preferred religion, cultural background... whatever.
In my note to Cathy Brandt, I mentioned precisely this...
You can empathize with other people's problems without
pitying them, because all of us have problems, feel isolated,
and so forth, regardless of whether we hear or not!

At any rate, that's one of my philosophies of life....
we all have differences, and the sooner we learn to live and
let live with those differences (instead of freaking out
about them) the better it is for everyone.  Its just that
people who're deaf have a more visible difference. Others
carry that difference inside, maybe... but they're still
there.
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From:         CSRI Distribution Manager <distrib@TURING.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re:60 Minutes

This isn't really about the 60 minutes programme on cochlear implants,
as I unfortunately missed it.  I did want to contribute some second
hand information on this topic, though, as my aunt was one of the first
women in Canada to undergo the procedure.  My aunt is now 65 years old,
and lost her hearing  at 13 after a misdiagnosed bout of menengitis.  As a
result, she is completely deaf (absolutely no residual hearing).  As
was the case for many youngsters at the time, she was sent to St. Mary's
School for the Deaf where she learned to lipread. Any kind of manual
communication was forbidden.  Children caught signing had their hands
tied behind them.  It was barbaric!  Now, some years later, she is
beginning to suffer for these decisions.  Those of us closest to her
know that she is catching less and less of what is said as her
eyesight worsens with age.  And perhaps worse still, she finds herself
completely cut off from the burgeoning deaf community because she cannot
sign and there are no resources in her small town to teach DEAF PEOPLE
TO SIGN! (There are lots of classes for hearing people.)  She also
says that deaf people who do sign tend to be very unfriendly towards
those who do not...though this may just be the community in her town.

Two years agao she underwent the expensive surgical procedure for the
cochlear implant (because it was considered a radical research
procedure it is not covered by our socialized medical program).  The
results for her were disappointing.  Although she is now able to
recognize the transmitted vibrations as sound, she cannot distinguish
individual words or ascertain meaning.  She also reports that after all these
years she finds "all the noise" rather distracting, and as a result she
often prefers not to wear the monitor.

This is not to say that this procedure may not be hugely successful
for others (or, indeed that it is always the right choice for anyone).
I just thought you might be interested in one person's experience.

Chris
distrib@turing.toronto.edu
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Date: 10 Nov 92 22:59:37 GMT
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Cynthia says:

Let's be fair - Cochlear Implants are NOT
for everyone !!   It depends on the parents,
child and circumstances.  For example,  it might
work for these hearing child who lost their hearing.
However, it might NOT work for a born-deaf child.
Here is an analogy:  forcing a left-handed child to
learn how to write using her right hand.  That's
exactly how I felt when I was being forced to
use hearing aid and being forced to listen these sounds
since I was three years old - I hated every minute
of it.  I eventually learned how to throw
my hearing aid away into the toliet when
I was about fourteen years old.  :*)  Thank God, I was
NOT being forced to learn how to speak - perhaps
that's why I could speak fluently !!


Cynthia:

That is quite interesting. I believe the implant was designed for completely
deaf persons. I was also under the impression that it worked best with
those who never had any residual hearing. The reason is becuase what
an implantee actually hears is not what a hearing person hears. I think if
you asked for a description of a sound from a hearing person and an implantee
you'd get slightly different descriptions. The difference makes it harder for
somebody used to the actual sounds to get used to the implants sounds.


Adam Skwersky
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From:         PS308LEC@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Survey for Gallaudet Graduate Class

Hello. I would be glad to respond to your survey.
1) I attended a normal High School and required no special services as I am
a hearing person.
2) I think that attending a residential school for the deaf for my entire 4
years might be frustrating, especially if 1) I didn't know sign language
fluently and 2) If I had never encountered a different way of life and
learning. I personally have been involved with people with special needs and
might welcome the idea.
3) I think, at first, the students would see me as a stranger to their world
but after a while would realize that I am not there to make them feel inferior
and they are not there to make me feel inferior...I think we could become
peers and friends as we could share so much with eachother.
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From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@RAYSSD.SSD.RAY.COM>
Subject: Re: question re how to be polite

Neah, I have neither a PC nor a modem at work... I have a regular
phone, a dead dead dead X-terminal/boat anchor, and a Wyse 85 terminal
on a Xyplex terminal server.  Progress here in the land of high tech!
Smile!

Esther Paris at Raytheon "Modern?  How dare you say that?" EDL,
Marlborough, MA    esther@demand.ed.ray.com
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