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From: shyam@netcom.com (Shyam K. Subramanyan)
Subject: skiing accident insurance?
Keywords: accident, skiing, insurance
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:44:28 GMT

I have a friend who is visiting the United States as a tourist.
He wants to go skiing, but his temporary medical insurance does not
cover injuries resulting from skiing & stuff like that.  Has anyone 
heard of ski insurance offered by any insurance companies, ski
associations or resorts?  The insurance could be per day or per
week.  Any pointers would be very helpful.  Thanks in advance.

Shyam (shyam@netcom.com)

P.S. If anyone out there needs the above info, send me an email.  I
will forward all the responses.
-- 

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Shyam Subramanyan			shyam@netcom.com

A damn proud UF (The only real University in Florida) Alumnus

God must be a Gator. He made the sky Blue and the sun Orange!
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: daryl@cup.hp.com (Daryl Odnert)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:20:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
: I have a sort of important question.  I'm a relatively new skier (i.e. been
: seriously skiing for a little over a year, been skiing as a whole for three)
: Anyway, I tend to ski mostly blues (or greens even, if they're fun and
: I don't want to embarrass myself for falling).

Babak,

If you want to become a better skier, you are probably going to have to
fall a few times.  Don't worry about embarrassing yourself.  Everybody falls.

The important thing is to use your falls as learning experiences.
Before you get up, take a moment to think about *why* you fell, in 
strictly physical terms.  Think about what caused you to loose your
balance.  Then, when you try it again, see if you can make the physical
adjustments so that it doesn't happen again.  Don't worry whether you
are "doing it right".  Experiment until your body finds what works.
This is how you learned to walk when you were a baby, and you can use
the same technique to learn to ski.

Daryl Odnert
daryl@cup.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:11:01 GMT

|> I got this put on the last pair of new skis that I bought (3 or 4 years ago)
|> it was put on by the ski shop with my new bindings. I thought at the time
|> it would not work but it was free. Any way my plastic cover was looking bad
|> so I peeled it off this year. The skis looked new. All the marks on the skis
|> peeled off with the plastic. I was impressed with the protection that the
|> plastic provided. 

So what you got is an old ski with new topskin.  Of course, while the ski 
was actually new, it looked old since it had scratched plastic film glued on.
If you waited couple years more before removing the plastic, you could 
actually discard  these skis with absolutely intact topskin !  :-)

|> off the top of the skis. But the skis did look new when I was done.
|> Would I get it done again ? Maybe I sort of agree with Sergei but if they
|> are doing it for free why not.

Just like  them horrible deodorant thingies car washes always reward you 
with- absoutely free, as a friendly jesture.
Free ? Gimme a bundle, for the office ...

Or those wonderful young ladies in department stores  who try to spray me 
all over  with some evil-smelling new cologne : its free, heck, why not, 
bathe me in it, baby ...

Or supermarket tasting of a new kind of Beef Jerky dipped in chocolate:
free, lets stuff ourselves ...

What else is there ? Bulgarian suits, buy one for $109, second is free.
Lets get a few. 


Happy New Year,
Sergei


|> -- 
|> ====================================================================
|> Bentz Puryear (303)488-6120  (ncsc8!bep)     AT&T TSC
|> 8300 E. Maplewood Ave.
|> Englewood, Colorado 80111        POWDER SKIING THE PATH TO SALVATION
From: limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:42:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

>ski patrol (justifiably). BTW, this applies equally to skiers and boarders.
>
Bill has brought up some excellent points about the process of becoming a
more accomplished skier.  Wanting to learn how to "stop on bumps" as
Babak asks is probably not the important issue at this point.  The ability
to ski the moguls in a way which is most fun and rewarding requires the
necessary skills to be developed on (relatively) groomed runs.  If the 
skier has refined the ability to perform controlled short swing turns
on a groomed run, these skills will transfer naturally to the bumps.  However,
if the basics of the mechanics are not learned (at least to a moderate level
of proficiency), no amount of "tips" or "suggestions" will make the
bumps any less intimidating.  

In a past life as a ski instructor, our ski school offered "specialty" workshops

where a student could learn powder, gates, "breaking-the-intermediate-rut", and
of course, bumps.  It was often the case in the bump workshops that the 
class had many skiers who were "comfortable" on blues and groomed blacks, but
still had many problems in the moguls.  However "comfortable" they may have
been on these groomed runs, most of them could not perform solidly linked,
short swing turns in a reliable manner.  Medium and long turns were generally
not a problem, but the dynamic edging, steering, and weighting skills required
for short turns were not yet learned.  Hence, we spent a good amount of time
forming the foundation for these skills so they could be transferred into
the bumps.  Unfortunately, workshop type classes don't allow for enough time
to really refine these skills, so the remainder of the class was spent
trying to teach them what to do in the bumps - even though the basic skills
still needed work.  A compromise, as always.

Anyway, lessons are cheap when you consider how shortly you'll be getting
more mountain for your money.  If you don't like your lesson, PLEASE tell
the ski school administration - any good school will be happy to attempt
to satisfy your learning needs.  Spend the lesson dollars now, reap the
payoffs forever (nobody wants to be an intermediate who skis 50% of the 
mountain for years upon years.)

Have Fun!

-Davin Lim (limd@arraytech.com)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: satya@bramble.ecn.purdue.edu (Satya Bhamidipati)
Subject: Snow Machines... FAQ?????
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:57:59 GMT


  I tried looking for the FAQ for about 150 articles but did not 
  find it.

  *************************************

      How does a Snow machine make snow ?
      What is/are the principle(s) ?


      Satya.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.games.pinball
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Pinball in Vail
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:42:37 GMT

>Any suggestions on where to play pinball in Vail?

I don't know about Vail, but at Killington some folks like to do it on the
bump runs.

[:-)]

Bill Hery
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Subject: Possible honeymoon suggestions...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 28 Dec 1992 15:00 EST  

If we decide to get married, our ideal honeymoon would be a week or two of 
skiing.  But where can one go in August, September, October?  Any 
suggestions?  Europe?  Canada? 

Maureen


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.172502.27284@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>>I'm thinking of putting that 'Ski Saver' protective
>>tape stuff on our boards before we use them, to
>>keep that pretty (and functionless) topskin lookin'
>>good. Has anyone tried this stuff ? Does it work ?
>>Can it be removed later (like if it gets all ripped
>>and mangled ?) Will the lack of gouges, scratches
>>and chunks make lift companions lose respect for
>>me ?
>
>Personally, I'm nervous about new skis until the topskins get gouged and
>scratched.  Thieves generally prefer new looking skis because they can sell
>them more easily.  Once my new skis no longer look new, I can rest easy
>since they no longer are an attractive target.

Well isn't that what a good strong cable lock was made for? :)

And speaking of which, don't get a lock called "The Recoiler". It sucks.
I used mine like twice before it got tangled up inside itself and I could 
never get it to work again. No abuse, just what I thought was normal usage. 
 Spend the few extra $$ on a decent one you can
get on at any hardware or bike store, its definitely worth it.

---Steve
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question
Keywords: xc heel positioner
Reply-To: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:23:43 GMT

Hi Gary!  I suppose I could wander down the hall to answer this, but
other people might be interested.  You wrote:
 
> Reading this weekend an early 80's book on mountain/backcountry
> skiing where quite a thing was made about a "heel indexing plate"
> which provided exceptional control on xc skis...
> ...how come I've never seen or heard of such a thing (in my brief 2
> year interest in xc skiing)?

Heel indexing plates were popular during the time that telemark
skiing made its resurgence in the U.S. (late 1970's?).  The intent
was to provide better torsional control for doing telemark turns in
lightweight touring boots.  Since then, the demand for higher
performance has led to specialization and telemark boots have evolved
dramatically (some might say absurdly).  Modern telemark boots are so
stiff that heel indexing plates are completely unnecessary.

If you use lightweight boots for telemarking, heel indexing plates
can still be useful.  I think I still have a pair in my basement
somewhere...

					--Lowell Skoog
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: marty@orion.osf.org (Marty Lynch)
Subject: Car Rental in Utah
Keywords: Utah, Car Rental
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:28:58 GMT


I'll be taking my first ski trip
out west (Salt Lake City, Utah)
the second week in February and I'm
hoping to get information on Car/Jeep
rental's in that area.  Is it necessary to
get 4-wheel drive or will a front wheel drive 
(with chains) do?   Does anyone know of
smaller local rental dealer's (i.e. not hertz or avis)
that might have better deals?

Thanks,

Marty
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: conditions...
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:02:37 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's



c
From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:13:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Long skis vs. Short Skis that short skis are easier to turn because of thier lower
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

.......... fair description of the range
          of turns skiis make deleted...............



	So, the difference between short skis and long
skis is: Long skis carve, and short skis windshield-wiper.      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



I can't help but disagree with the summary: The amount of
carving vs. skidding is somewhat affected by the characteristics
of the ski, but by far the biggest influence is the skill
and preference of the operator.


jaym
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!! (more chair reference though)
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:31:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1!t25!=@rpi.edu> halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu writes:
>le <1992Dec19.024932.21608@sco.com>, kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond) writes:
>
>>I think I hear you knocking, East Coasters, but you can't come in! :-)
>>
>>				-kurt(rabblerouser)ray
>>
>
>Yeah, I think you hear me knocking, Kurt, and I've got my icepick with me!

Yeah, Yeah....i just got these auto pickers (no not for your nose).  They 
attach to the end of your skis and chop up the ice before you get to ski it.
It really works well.  Oh, wait did I charter that plane to dump salt on the
west yet.  hold on...wait just one moment...aren't they cheating by getting
more real snow than us *scratches head*.  NOT FAIR! NOT FAIR! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!
They get too much snow. BOYCOTT!  

SARCASM! - For the humor impared (stolen line).

Famous east ski battle cry: "Two inches last night....let's go...PPPOOOWWDDERR
	HHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

and the ever popular: "Let's go skiing.  I heard they turned the snow machines 
	on last night."

Mark E. Porterfield
THE skier of the East

Botton Line - If you can't laugh at yourself...well, hey don't make fun of 
		others. ;-)
From: apeedle@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Peedle)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Conditions in Villars, Switz
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:19:12 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.

Has anyone any info on the snow conditions in Villars, Switzerland
at present. I'm due to be heading out there on 9th Jan.

Also if anyone has any info on the village itself ....

cheers


---------------------------------------------------------------

Name    : Alan Peedle
Company : BT Systems and Software Engineering Centre,
          Glasgow
Email   : apeedle@gssec.bt.co.uk
From: phoebe@ithaca.com (Phoebe Couch)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: More exercises
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:30:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ithaca Software

This wasn't mentioned in the FAQ. 
One legged squat:
Pick up one leg, position the foot at your standing leg's knee.
Balance on one leg and do squats (you don't have to go very low ).
Switch legs after about 10.
This helps your balance and build leg strength.

I use a wind trainer to help to coordinate the
muscle firing in my knees and practice Aikido to
work on flexibility and flow.

One thing that is not emphasize enough is
stretching exercises before and after skiing to loosen
up the joints.


P.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:24:52 GMT

bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:

>Dear more advanced skiers:
>[stuff deleted]
>What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
>start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
>looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
>bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.

>-Bob

Sound like your doing all you can given your ability.  Another poster
suggested falling over.  In any skiing situation (except perhaps sheet ice)
falling can be used as a last ditch method of loosing speed.

Your other best best is to try and control the earlier turns so that you never
gain the speed in the first place.  You may need to improve a bit before you
are able to achieve this in the bumps.

	david.
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: White Face
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:48:49 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <1992Dec30.210446.10471@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, rpd@accolade.base.bellcore.com (25853-deramos) writes:
|> The bobsled run was great.  There's a fee to get on...just can't remember
|> how much.  I went two years ago around February and at that time they had
|> the freestyle tour (Moguls and aerials were the best to watch)
|> 
|> 
|> ralden
|> rpd@accolade.cc.bellcore.com
|> 
$25 per person per run for the bobsled.  You go with an experienced
driver and brakeman on the full run. Top to Bottom.  I don't recall
what the speeds are.

$10 per run for the luge.  You go by yourself and only run the bottom 
third.  Speeds reach 30-35 mph.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp
Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey)
Subject: Re: "Jiffy" waxes - any good?
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:31:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.072307.1@cajun> javeaz@cajun writes:
>Do these "jiffy", one step waxes do any good??  Last
>year I tried coating my rental skis with this stuff 
>after the first 3 days of skiing some pretty bad crud.
>It didn't seem to hurt anything but I couldn't tell if
>it really made any difference - I'm not that accomplished
  .......
>
>Comments?
>
What do you mean by 'jiffy wax'?  Is it the stuff in the
bottle with a sponge type aplicator? I use this stuff, works
great, mostly for sunny days when the snow wants to stick
to your skiis. Other folks use Pledge (tm) furniture 
spray on wax, according to them, lemon fresh scent is best.

		Brian Barkey
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: trip report from Taos, NM
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:01:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec21.221319.25593@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>OK, I'm back from pre X-mas skiing in Taos, NM. Here's a short report:
...
>The new quad is too short, it doesn't reach up into the steeps of the west
>basin and therefore only serves blues and greens.

Good!  Quads are the scourge of powder skiing.  No single invention
has ruined more good ski slopes.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: javeaz@cajun
Subject: "Jiffy" waxes - any good?
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:23:07 GMT

Do these "jiffy", one step waxes do any good??  Last
year I tried coating my rental skis with this stuff 
after the first 3 days of skiing some pretty bad crud.
It didn't seem to hurt anything but I couldn't tell if
it really made any difference - I'm not that accomplished
a skier (a middle of the road intermediate).  Maybe it
did a fine job and made me ski better than I would have
had I not used it or maybe it made things worse.  With
the changing conditions, I couldn't tell.  Is it 
worth the small cost of a tube of the stuff
and 5 minutes of your time at night in the condo or am I
just wasting my time?

Comments?

......................................
Jerry Veazey
Monsanto Company
Luling, Louisiana

Replies to:  javeaz@cajun.monsanto.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pzl@remulak.unx.dec.com (Pete Lega)
Subject: Need used 747 binding/Thule ski accessory
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:52:08 GMT

	Looking for used stuff:

	Broke heel piece of my Solomon 747 binding,
	looking for used replacement (can be
	whole/half/or just heel of binding)

	Also looking for thule ski attachment 
	(already have bars) or thule box.
--
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From: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de (Roland Stahl)
Subject: cross land skiing
Reply-To: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de
Organization: IPI University of Hannover
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:19:39 GMT

Hello all you hill destructing, anti environmentalist down hill skiers 
(har, har; flames to stahl@ipi.uni.hannover.de),
is anyone out there interested in cross land skiing topics, or is there
perhaps an other newsgroup?

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you.
                                        ^^^

Roland
email: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: SKI BLOWOUT AT BLUE KNOB -- Jan 8-10; only $155 !!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:19:11 GMT

gjones@gateway (Gordon Jones) writes:




>             S K I  B L O W O U T  A T  B L U E  K N O B  !


>Get ready for an outrageous skiing adventure at Blue Knob, January 8-10 !
>For as little as $155.00 per person you can ski the highest vertical drop in
>Pennsylvania (1052').  The trip includes:

>   two nights lodging at RAMADA w/ tropical indoor courtyard
>   parties each day (plus refreshments on the bus)
>   FREE equipment rentals
>   jacuzzi and pool
>   round trip transportation
>   free meals
>   roller skating
>   horseback riding

>Two of the ski trails are "double diamond" trails for experts, and there are
>several long, level slopes ideal for beginning skiiers.

>Blue Knob is only 2 hours 45 min from D.C., so an early return home on Sunday
>is possible.  For further details, contact Gordon at (703) 204-0768 or
>leave message.

Gee......for that money, I would have thought that the lift tickets would
be included.......



********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

********************************************************
From: graham@advent.co.uk (Graham Underwood)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snow Machines... FAQ?????
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:48:11 GMT
Organization: Advent Imaging Ltd.,Henley,England

In article <Bzrp8L.3C6@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
>Satya Bhamidipati (satya@bramble.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
>
>> How does a Snow machine make snow ? What is/are the principle(s) ?
>
> Same way your refrigerator works: expansive cooling. The basic idea is
> that water and air are pumped to the "gun". As the pressurized air/water
> mixture exits the gun it rapidly expands and therefore cools...presto:
> instant snow!
>

I believe there are a few chemicals mixed in too.

Graham.





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| Advent Imaging Ltd.	   |  advsys!graham         |
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: crossle1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Cindy Rossley)
Subject: John Laessig (Ladies Skis)
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:55:33 GMT


Sorry to have to post this to the entire net, but e-mail has bounced twice.

John, please e-mail me again.  I tried to reach you at j10h@lehigh.edu, the
address at the top of your message to me, but it keeps bouncing back.  I have
some information for you regarding your girlfriends skis and boots.

Thanks.

Cindy Rossley
Swarthmore College
crossle1@cc.swarthmore.edu

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Darryl Rouse <rouse@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Skiing in Arizona
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:21:05 GMT

Folks,
	My wife and I are considering a trip to the Grand Canyon in February
(Gotta burn some free plane tickets). We would also like to do some
(downhill) skiing while we are there. I have heard that there are some
ski resorts in the Flagstaff area (Snow Bowl?). Can anyone offer any
ideas on the ski resorts in this area? Quality? Prices? Snowboard
restrictions? Places to stay? Any comments on the Grand Canyon at this
time of year would also be appreciated.

Post or reply to rouse@bellcore.com

Thanks,
Darryl

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Bellcore Room 2B-227/445 South Street/Morristown NJ 07962-1910
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