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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Obedience v. Breed
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:57:28 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <11DEC92.12260644.0062@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, T00X000 <T00X@UNB.CA> writes:
> I agree with Anne! Physically and mentally inferior dogs CAN NOT be     ck) writes:
> obedience dogs. In fact, when I purchased my Belgian Tervuren, I
> looked for obedience potential first. Generally, if a dog has excellent
> obedience potential, they will also have good conformation potential.
> First and foremost, I look for a dog that will be a good addition
> to our family and that means they must be trainable! The top dogs
> are, as the American Belgian Terv Club says, those with an OTCh. on
                                                             ********
> one end and a Ch. on the other.                                       
  ******************************

> Monna

Actually, to be a little bit picky here, OTCH and CH would both be on the same
end.... (;-)

I think the Belgian Terv club slogan is more like "A well-balanced Terv has a
CH at one end and a UDT at the other."

Stef 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Cold Feet
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:54:21 GMT

In article <BzDHwJ.Kow@news.udel.edu> thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
>This may be a really silly question, but here goes:
>
>I am moving and my 5 year old Husky will have to stay outside in the
>day.  She is used to being inside all day, but due to various
>circumstances, she will be outside now.
>
>Will her feet get cold?  What can I do to help her out?  \
>thanks
>
>Thuy-An 

Although Sibs are a northern breed, with a double coat and protected
paws, and can therefore withstand *extremely* cold and harsh conditions,
you should provide shelter for her from the elements.  A good, sturdy
dog house is in order.  She will also need access to unfrozed water
during the day.  You can buy heated water dishes from a variety of
places.  Once you provide these things for her, she should be fine in
terms of cold weather.

However, do not forget to check your yard and make it safe and "escape
proof."  It is not clear from your posting, but I assume that the dog
will be kept outside while you are not there.  Thats fine.  However,
if you are now going to put the dog out most of the time even when you
are there, it is important to remember that Sibs are very pack-oriented,
and she will not understand the separation.  You should be sure to
interact with her as much as before if not more.

I hope this helps.  If you have additional questions, please feel free
to email me.

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:55:36 GMT

In article <BzGMp4.Byq@news.iastate.edu> A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.220848.8332@inel.gov>,
>kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>
> [lots of stuff deleted]
>
>>                             (if anyone read my earlier post about
>>what our lab did to our waterbed, and therefore our house, you'll
>>understand why we insist they all be crated -- we paid about $350
>>in damages, and the insurance company paid almost $400...).
>>
>>Jamie
>>
>
>HOW did you get your insurance to pay ANYTHING?  Mine specifically
>excludes damage done by dogs (my own, not someone else's).  On the
>other hand, they'll cover damage done by my horse.  Did you tell
>them that your HORSE got on the waterbed? *smile*
>
>Mary &
>Sam & Katie - mutt dogs
>Regis - purebred horse (for all the good THAT does me!)


I have NO idea why the insurance company paid -- we did tell them
it was our dog's fault!  They said they would cover structural
damage but not damage to furniture (luckily the only non-structural
damage was the eaten cap to the waterbed and the ripped sheets
our dog dug through -- I caught her trying it again which is why
I think she dug!).  We had to pay the $250 deductible.  I just
hope nothing else happens...explaining this sort of thing once
was bad enough!


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese



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From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Mike's hard work on the Rescue Groups listing
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:26:26 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I would like to thank Mike Buening (Beamer's daddy *smile*) for
putting together the Rescue group information.  Through his efforts
I will be meeting someone in my area tomorrow who is associated
with the Bouvier Des Flandres Rescue Club.  There is a dog show here
in Jackson through Sunday and one of the people located in Alabama
happens to be in showing her Bouvs this weekened here!!  I am even
going to get to help her exercise them.  *smile*

I guess if you have not already figured it out, that I finally decided
between the Rottie, Giant Schnauzer and the Bouv.  *smile*  Since 
I am not planning on this new addition for 6 months to a year, I wanted
to start looking now, since you never know when rescues will happen
along.

NOW I have to come up with a "M" name for the call name...I have
been thinking of Mike....Mike and Min....*smile*  We will see.

Thanks Mike so much for all of your hard work!!!!!  *smile*

Have a great and wonderful weekend everyone!

Suzanne, Min, the birds (B.B. and Rebel), and the fishes!
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:10:26 -0500 
From: Meg Alison Veily <mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Names for male dog starting with 'B' needed
	<1gb8pvINNj28@overload.lbl.gov>

On 11-Dec-92 in Re: Names for male dog star..
user elizabeth finlayson@ux1. writes:
>I guess if you have a litter requirement than you have to follow
>guidelines as to what you call your dog.  I am a bit odd, I guess,
>and feel that dogs really do have a name we just have to figure
>it out.

That reminds me of the movie _Beethoven_. At the beginning, this Saint
Bernard pup wanders into a household, and the kids convince their dad to
let them keep it. They are trying figure out what to name the dog, and
all of the suggestions have so far been pretty lame. Then the youngest
girl says that the dog will "tell us what his name is." She then
preceeds to bang out the first few notes of one of Beethoven's well
known works (I am having a block remembering the name, though), and the
puppy starts barking. Hence, it is named Beethoven. (Which also begins
with 'B', btw.)

Good dog movie. I highly reccommend it. Beethoven is a cool name, too,
but it is definitely for big dogs only. (Bach would be more suitable for
smaller varieties.) ;-)

-Meg
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Wets Bed, revisited
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:17:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24396
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



> Do any of you know of "incontinence" panties for dogs?
>I have called our pet food/supplies warehouses in town and they don't have
>anything like this.  I also called our vet, who only knows of feminine napkin
>products 

RC Steele has ``piddle pants'' in their RETAIL catalog, item# G38-0314
listed at $17.99 to $22.99 but they'll discount them mail order to $11.49

They look like panties with a cart-pulling harness that goes over the back
and another strap that goes around the front of the chest, so the things
stay on.  I haven't tried them, but you could easily stuff a couple
cotton diapers in them folded in ninths.  (It's page 11 of the catalog,
of which I only have that page.)

	For the incontinent older dog, the female in heat, the excitable
	puppy who's not quite trustworthy.  Easy-on and off Velcro brand
	fasteners with the added fit security of a strap around the
	chest.  Machine washable.  Vinyl liner pocket holds disposable
	pad.  Blue denim for boys and hot pink for girls.  Measure
	from neck to base of tail for size
	XXS 7-9"
	XS 9-11''
	S 11-13"
	M 13-16"
	L 16-19"
	XL 19-24"
	XXL 22"up

The vinyl pocket and pad are probably useless of course.
The phone person says there's no difference between the boy's and girl's
except color.
---

The cotton sanitary pants in their regular catalog are great #S38-0507
but they can no longer get them and so you can't order them.  They stay
on the dog and can also hold a couple diapers.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:36:06 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Flank Sucking, what IS it?
Comment-To: Judith_Van_Noate@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Compulsive licking in dogs is said to be similar to
obsessive/compulsive disorder in humans.  The basis for the disorder
is linked to an animal's instinctive need to clean and groom itself. 
In humans, perhaps like in yourself, where you find yourself fooling
with your hair more than you would like, this is in actuality a
grooming behavior.
  Some new drugs stimulate the production of neurotransmitters in the
brain, like serotonin.  It is said that deep ocean fish contains
similar materials, that stimulate the parts of the brain that control
the compulsive licking.  It certainly couldn't hurt to try.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Nutro Max
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:55 EST  


I feed our 70# Golden the Nutro-Max lamb/rice puppy formula (he's still 
only 7 mos).  He gets about 2 cups twice a day with a handful of Bill-Jac 
added to each meal.  Seeing as how big he's gotten so far (the breeder said 
he'd be about 75# full grown) I'd guess there's nothing wrong with the food
BTW could anyone out there tell me how big this puppy is REALLY going to 
get?  I just don't think he's ever going to stop growing!

Carol
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help! Boredom sores caused by licking
Keywords: licking, boredom sores
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:34:38 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1992Dec17.180440.14479@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN) writes:



>Help!!!  My dog is licking his leg into a bloody mess!
>Late this summer my samoyed starting boredom licking his leg.

A long term solution might be to get him into obedience, running, or
some additional activity.  It`s not called boredom licking for no
reason.  And you definitely want to keep him from making it into a
habit (which may have already happened).  This is what I would try: go
ahead with the E. collar to give the sore a chance to heal.  In the
meantime, introduce something new for Shiloh to do: it might be going
with you on a morning jog, or taking up obedience training, or
flyball, or whatever you both will enjoy doing together.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:43:57 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <BzBw13.MoK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.191050.11784@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.183351.4838@news.nd.edu> mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening) writes:
>>>In article <1gl56bINN7o1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) writes:
>>>>Hello everyone, this is Siegfried.  Mommy is busy, so I thought
>>>>I would post a message to all the doggies out there.  Everyone get
>>>>your doggies to the screen.

>Hey everyone, Marla left her computer on and we get it now,
>Hey isn't snow great!  I just love charging up drifts until I sink,
>and then I dig and dig and roll in them...

Yeah, drifts are fun.  So are the mountains made after the big trucks
come around and clear the parking lots.   I had a great time last Saturday.
Mommy wanted to go shopping at the store (and buy doggie treats), so 
Daddy and I walked around the lot, or I should say Daddy walked and I ran!
Up and down and up the snow mountains and everyone was around so I went
to say hi and make people happy.  Daddy said I looked like Jimmy Stewart
in "It's a Wonderful Life," whatever that is.   The mountains must
be like the mountains in France, the Pyrenees.  I just love to climb them
and then dig dig dig dig dig dig.

>comming back into the house.  Also, if the snow balls up in your
>paws as you are out walking with your person, immediatly stop
>and start pulling it out.  If you just can't get it, cast a
>pleading glace to your person and whine a little and they will 
>pull it out for you.....

..and give it back to you to chew on.  Yum Yum Yum!

>Oh but catching fish is fun!!  They flop around on the ground
>and in your mouth.....

I never tried fish Wolfie.  I do like swimming, though.  Mommy and daddy
go to Maine in the summer and let me go swimming in the ocean.  I like it
and I think the fleas hate the salt.   

>Have fun over Christmas everyone, and remember to practice your
>Holiday Pleading stares!  (Big, sad, brown, eyes --- licking your
>chops and acting half starved -- always good for a ginger snap cookie!)

As a Pyr, I have to admit I have this down pat.   Mommy is such a sucker
for this, but I must sit next to my bowl to get munchies.

Siegfried
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:54:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: More on the neurotic Dachshund.
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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 * Replying to a message originally to All
 * Replying to a message originally from Valaria Vorlop
 > Right after posting the last message, I got a call from Max's
 > owner with more
 > info. The dog had bitten his 10 year old daughter on the
 > hand, 3 times in a
 > matter of a few minutes. She was on the couch with the dog
 > and tried to get
 > up. He bit, she hit and started to get up again. He bit, she
 > clobbered him
 > and he yelped and went running to his basket. She walked past
 > the basket and
 > he jumped out, jumped up and bit her again!
 > 
 > Apparently this dog checks out fine by the vet, they had
 > complete tests done
 > on him when this problem started.
 > 
 > PLEASE, does anybody have any advice before this dog is put
 > down?
 > 
  This has Got to be a trick question.  I think you are one of these
people who in fact has a Lot of experience with dogs, and know how
hopeless and unfortunate this situation is.  You are looking for
someone to tell you that this dangerous mutt is just a bit out of
sorts and will be fine soon.
  Use some of your "compassion" on those children who are being mauled
and terrorized in their own home.  Both you and the parents should
know better!  Duh......  the dog bit my child in the face.... what
should I do?????
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Welcome, Bianca
Keywords: adult poodle, helpful hints wanted
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:20:56 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Dec16.233015.8092@u.washington.edu> diannes@milton.u.washington.edu (Dianne Schoenberg) writes:
>
>(P.S.: Debbie--I certainly hope you don't take this as a flame of you,
>your mother, or Bianca.  I'm just concerned because I've heard breeders
>say some really gawdawful stupid things in the past just in order to sell 
>a dog--there really aren't any controls on such things.)

Not at all - I welcome the information.  After having read many horror stories
about unscrupulous breeders on this newgroup, I'm perhaps overly suspicious,
so any info is welcome.  As I was sitting listening to the breeder talk, I
was wondering - a lot of it did sound like hype.  On the other hand, she
was honest about mentioning Bianca's shortcomings.  One thing is certain,
that the breeder does treat her dogs well - they were most definitely a
bunch of happy, friendly, healthy-looking pooches.  And Bianca obviously
adored her.  Because Bianca is going to be a pet only, and my mother's going
to have her spayed as soon as the approval period is over,  my mother is not
overly concerned about the championship part.  I'm curious, now, though, and
will try to find out if any of Bianca's puppies have placed in shows.  
------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
From: 01smpowell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (prison or bust.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: the chewing machine
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:44:09 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


we've got a couple of dogs, a 4 month old purebred doberman
and a scruffy terrier mutt that looks like benji...
cordo (the terrier mix) can eat ANYTHING.
beefhide is gone in a matter of minutes, cow hooves last maybe a day and
a half, rope toys are shredded if left on the floor for longer than five
minutes. if i give her something harder, like a soup bone, she buries it 
under my blankets or under the sofa...
she even consumed an entire nylabone!
at least she doesn't chew anything that she is supposed to, but
there's gotta be a dog toy that'll withstand this mighty chewing machine...

any suggestions?
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 13:45:02 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Wets Bed, revisited
Distribution: na
 <1992Dec05.082627.16324@sco.com>

All right--one more time trying to post this!

My previous follow-up said okay . . . but what do you do about a dog who does
*not* wet her sleeping area?  My dog is fifteen, and we're having problems
with her "accidents" all over the house!  We have had the carpets and my
oriental rug cleaned for the holidays, and we have had to resort to keeping
the dog outside.  She *hates* this, but I don't see any other way.  Since I
had my son almost three years ago, the dog has gone downhill--she has become
hard of hearing; her eyesight is going; and she seems more befuddled every day.
Last night, we kept her outside  (with a dog sweater on)  for a *long* time.
She pounded (?) on and yipped at the door, and I finally relented.  She was
not in for TWO MINUTES before I saw her squatting on the kitchen floor!!!  I
picked her up immediately and put her outside again.

I don't think her problem is a urinary infection, either.  The urine was not
discolored at all and had no foul odor.  I believe her problem is mental (due
to advanced age).  I love her very much and I don't want to keep her outside,
but I also cannot afford these huge rug cleaning bills.  So please tell me
this:  Are there any such thing as diapers for dogs?  I called the pet food/
supply warehouses, and they knew of nothing.  I explained the problem to our
vet, who suggested feminine hygiene pants for dogs; the problem is, they would
not hold that large a quantity of liquid.  So, if I find these panties, I
wonder if I could get those "diaper doublers" they sell in some places to
keep infants/toddlers dry.  Even if I try to convert regular disposable diapers
over, I wouldn't know which size to buy and whether or not they fit a dog's
body  (although I know my young son would HOWL with laughter at the sight of
it! :-).

Please help!  Since I don't normally read this news group, e-mail responses
would be preferred.

--Karen Davis
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Toys...(was Re: Kong???)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:10:05 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

David G. Simmons (davids@gardener.lanl.gov) wrote:

: After reading this thread on Kongs, I wonder if anyone else has
: expereince with the "(almost) Indestructible Ball" from R.C.
: Steele.  I got one for McDuff the wonder Beardie.  He seems
: more annoyed at it than fond of it, though he plays with it quite
: frequently.  He has, however, managed to do quite a bit of damage to
: it fairly quickly (deep tooth marks in the hard palstic).

: Our kitchen floor is not quite level, so as he walks away from the
: thing, it starts to roll on its own, and he has to come back and
: teach it a lesson ("I said STOP MOVING!")

: Anyway, anbody else's comments on this toy would be greatly appreciated.
: (After the discussion on the Kong, it is on the list for the next R.C.
: Steele order ;-))

I have friends with boxers who go nuts for the boomer balls.  They have
cut their faces whn the ball has got stuck in the fencing.  You can't even
say the toys name around them.

My German shepherd loves her kong.  A friend tried it with her Beardies
(she has 4) and most of them liked it. Stewart wasn't sure, but then he's
a little weird any way. Mattie went the other way and now Mattie has her
own kong.

Karen