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From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Looking for Oregonian review of ELP concert
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:35:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
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I was looking through Sunday's Oregonian in the hopes that it would
contain a review of Friday's Emerson Lake & Palmer concert in Portland,
but I didn't see anything.  Could someone let me know if the paper did
review this concert, and if so, which edition it appeared in and the
page number?  Thank you very much.

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From: marshall@fs03.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Camel discography and recommendations
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:36:52 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <jpc.715284788@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov>, jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark) writes:
|> I've heard a lot of good things about Camel here and there, but I
|> haven't run into a discography.  Can anyone mail me one, or tell me
|> where I can get it?

Here's a quick one:

Camel				1973
Mirage				1974
The Snow Goose			1975
Moonmadness			1976
Rain Dances			1977
A Live Record			1978
Breathless			1978
I Can See Your House From Here	1979
Nude				1981
The Single Factor		1982
Stationary Traveller		1984
Pressure Points			1984
The Compact Collection		1986
Dust and Dreams			1991
On the Road 1972		1992

All are available on CD, but only the Rhino collection
you mentioned and the live album _Pressure Points_ are
widely available in the US.  The latest studio album,
_Dust and Dreams_ was released on Andy Latimer's private
label, and the first album was just re-issued by
Latimer as well.  _On the Road 1972_ was recently
released as a "beat the boots" effort.  Again, this
was released on Latimer's own label and is not widely
available.  All others are import-only, and therefore
more expensive.

("widely available" means, to me, that you can find it
 in most well-stocked CD stores across the United States.
 Aside from the 2 titles you mentioned, I've never seen
 any Camel CDs in any stores.)

If you can find _Pressure Points_, I'd say buy it.  It's
a great sampling of the 80s Camel sound, and many have
said that these live versions are better than their
studio counterparts.  Speaking for myself, I don't
like to buy compilation albums, so I'd lay off the
Rhino collection.  It doesn't contain any "previously
unreleased" goodies, so if you're serious about Camel,
and plan to buy all their other CDs, such a collection
would soon become obsolete.  IMNSHO, of course.  For
the record, that compilation contains tracks from
_Mirage_, _The Snow Goose_, _Moonmadness_, and _Rain
Dances_.  There is another compilation available called
_Chameleon_, but I don't know anything else about that.

--------------------------------------------------------

I've also seen these CDs listed in Camel discographies.
Can anyone supply any details, like tracklistings?

Lunacy In The Mad Moonlight	MARC TC 76074 1976  Bootleg
Unevensongs			              1977  Bootleg

Finally, can anyone provide a tracklist for double album,
_A Live Record_?  I'd like to know what's on it before
I plop down $30 for the Japanese CDs.

				--MWood
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: PFM anybody ????
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:38:56 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-7062]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

> Excellent Article!

I found it to be very useful though I didn't write it.  I only have _Per Un
Amico_ which I really like.  I want to get their first one next.  I prefer
the original Italian version over the "Americanized" versions.


		Mike


Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski)
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:26:01 GMT

In article <malcolm.716149767@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
[other stuff deleted, good philosophical question left]
>Why is it that some artists totally ignore and walk away from their work
>once it's behind them, and others like Fripp feel a need to rewrite history? 

    Well, having read books on Fripp, Gabriel, and Genesis, I think I can
take a good guess as to the answer of this question. A lot of groups have a
tendency to think their older material is actually less mature than their
recent stuff, often because they were very young when they started and actually
began to get a bit more formal music experience as they grew up and played
more. Look at something like Gabriel's "Sixteen Golden Greats". He picked the
MOST songs from So, a very recent release, and he picked NO songs from
"Volume II", which was an early and highly experimental album.

    To compare this with Fripp, he was very well musically trained before he
started anything with King Crimson. Though he often progressed through the years
by TRYING new ideas out, and his playing might have improved, his general
opinion seems to be that his career as a whole was all quite legit, and it's
worth looking back at for new ideas and inspiration. He also recognizes the
world's desire to hear it, which is probably why he went through all the
trouble of remastering the Crimson disks.

--
   Phillip Andrew Rzewski                      Internet: kutcha@acm.rpi.edu
                    "My analyst warned me about her,
          but she was so beautiful that I got another analyst"
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Who was/is in Brand X?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:08:14 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep9.185243.24697@wilbur.coyote.trw.com> Patrick Jost <jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.com> writes:
>First, thanks for the recommendations...I've gone out and gotten a 
>number of CDs. The problem is that they don't tell who plays on them...
>I know some of the players:
>
>	Percy Jones: 	bass
>	Robin Lumley:	keyboards
>	Morris Pert:	percussion
>	John Goodsall:	guitar
>	John Giblin:	bass
>	Phil Collins:	drums
>
>
>Who else? Don't they have 2 keyboard players and another guitar player?

Peter Robinson played keyboards as well, from "Masques" onwards.
Mike Clarke played drums on a couple of the later albums too.
Chuck Burgi played the kit on "Masques", and I think Kenwood Dennard
drummed on a couple tracks on "Livestock".
New band is Jones, Goodsall and a new drummer whose name eludes me.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:35:38 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA
Wombat: yes
Number: 40639

In article <BuJFJ6.BM5@ddsw1.mcs.com>, jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Joe Lynn) writes:
> [...]
> CD of _Camera Camera_ sounds pretty *bad*.  Parts of the disc are really
> fuzzy sounding (especially "Okichi-san").  This may be the result of a bad 
> master tape, or just a bad tape used on the batch of CDs that mine came out of.  

I'm pretty sure that it's the master tape.  When I first got Camera Camera, I
wondered if the problem on Okichi-san was my stylus or what.  When I finally
got the CD years later, I concluded that the distortion was on the master,
possibly even on the original synth track.

--
Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,soc.culture.nordic
From: hm78907@cs.tut.fi (Hannu Mikkola)
Subject: ELP concert in London next month, tickets?
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.
Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:16:34 GMT


Apparently there is going to be only one concert by ELP in London in
the fall (october 3rd?), I'd like to know where the tickets are
available (hope it isn't sold out). Fax number would be preferable.
Also, if anyone know any other gigs by ELP in Europe within the next
two months, please let me know!

- hanu
--
There is no doubt that certain witches can do marvellous things with
regard to male organs, for this agrees with what has been seen and
heard by many, and with the general account of what has been known
concerning that member through the senses of sight and touch.
--
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Eloy
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BuCEoF.33p@world.std.com> kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:

>On the Eloy subject, I was flipping through the channels on the T.V. the
>other day, and I caught the beginning of a movie called "Codename:Wildgeese."
>It was a really cheezy movie, but on the opening credits it said "Music
>by Eloy."  Does anyone know if there was a soundtrack album released with
>the Eloy music?

Absolutely. It's an LP, I've never heard it, but I saw the LP cover tacked
up on the wall at the old "progressive" store in union city...


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: moochie@camelot.bradley.edu (Melissa Koontz)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: new nin?
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:02:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bradley University


  Anyone heard if any new nin is coming out?


--

Tuvia: "Throughout history, we always had to be ready to pack and move away
	on a short notice. Maybe this is why we always wear our hats."
						- Fiddler on the Roof

moochie@camelot.bradley.edu             Adelind von Rosenberg
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jeff@tessi.com (Jeff Hemmerling)
Subject: _Ptolemic Terrascope_ Info Please
Summary: Request for info on _Ptolemic Terrascope_ magazine
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:12:49 GMT

Could someone out there post subscription information on
_Ptolemic Terrascope_ magazine?  In particular:

  -- Address
  -- Phone number
  -- Subscription rate
  -- Description of what it covers
  -- Personal opinions of the mag

Thanks in advance.

-- Jeff Hemmerling <jeff@tessi.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:29:27 GMT

dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl) writes:

>Since there seem to be a lot of Peter Hammill fans out
>there, I thought you might be interested in knowing that,
>for reasons I'll never understand, Robert Fripp has 
>drastically re-worked his Exposure LP for CD release.

>The song that stands out most of all is "Disengage,"
>which IMHO contains one of PH's most spine-chilling vocal
>performances of all time.  Apparently, Fripp didn't remix,
>but actually USED DIFFERENT TAKES for the CD.  I was shocked
>to hear the new version (fortunately I didn't buy one)--
>the CD version sounds like baby stuff compared to the original.

I thought that the story was Fripp originally used Darryl Hall for most of
the vocals nad then Hall's label held up release and Fripp brought in 
Hammill and other folks to redo stuff. Then on the cd re-issue he re-worked
it to be what the release was to have originally sounded like. Is it Hammill 
on the toned down version, or perhaps Hall? 

Another Fripp work that got changed for cd was the League of Gentleman - I 
think the cd version dropped a few tracks, including the one(s?) with vocals. 
Which was interesting to me because OI saw that band twice, and live the 
band was an instrumental dance band. What came out of the studio as League
of Gentlemen was IMHO not much at all like what the band was like live. 
Why is it that some artists totally ignore and walk away from their work
once it's behind them, and others like Fripp feel a need to rewrite history? 

 - Malcolm 
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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:53:20 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <rawdon.716234396@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <BuF3MI.229@ddsw1.mcs.com> jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Joe Lynn) writes:
>>Both the Thunderbolt CD and the Sire LP are far surpassed by the

>>p.s.  IMHO, _A Song For All Seasons_ is the band's best work;  I rate
>>	it right up there with the live "Scheherazade" and _A Turn of
>>	the Cards_.  

>I haven't heard the last two (again: No LP player), but _A_Song_For_All_
>_Seasons_ is my *least* favorite of their work that I have heard so far.
>The only track on it I really like is "Northern Lights".
>
>I'll take _Ashes_Are_Burning_, _Novella_ or _Azure_D'Or_ any day...

Agreed. _A Song For All Seasons_ is the only Renaissance album I don't
have... I bought it back in 78 when it first came out, listened to it a
few times, but after a mega-masterpiece like _Novella_ and the excellent
tour that followed it, listening to _SFAS_, with it's more poppy feel
and all those sugary-sweet lyrics made me ill and angry, I took it out
and sailed it (..something I never did with any record before !).

As far as I'm concerned it was the beginning of the slide that ended up
with _Camera Camera_ and _Time Line_. I did pick up those albums and
_Azure D'Or_ too, but only because I found them in the $ 1.99 bin.

Surprisingly, after buying the _1001 Nights Vol.1/Vol.2_ CD's, I find
the two cuts they included from _SFAS_ are really not all that bad...
in fact I rather enjoy the title track. I guess that buried within all
that sugary-poetic poppy junk on the original album I never heard how
good that song really was.All IMHO of course.

BTW, has anyone out there heard the "Renaissance" live bootleg disc from
the 74 tour ?? Any comments on it would be appreciated (like track list,
sound quality, is it worth thirty bucks, etc.). Musea had it listed in
their spring 92 catalog.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Joe Lynn)
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:23:29 GMT

In article <14589@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> ...
>I agree with Joe on this one.  However, to each his how, and if you like
>Azure D'Or, than you should check out "Camera, Camera".  I hear the
>CD (if you can find it) is a good recording of the material.


John, I've had this discussion with other netters before, but my 
CD of _Camera Camera_ sounds pretty *bad*.  Parts of the disc are really
fuzzy sounding (especially "Okichi-san").  This may be the result of a bad 
master tape, or just a bad tape used on the batch of CDs that mine came out of.  
Oh well. 


Joe Lynn

-- 
jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com
From: mzw_t@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com (Takashi Matsuzawa)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Maxophone
Date: 12 Sep 92 09:00:02 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Hewlett-Packard, Ltd.

In alt.music.progressive, borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:

>    Anybody else ever heard of them?  A mid seventies Italian band, somewhat
>    symphonic but with jazz tendencies.  Pretty damn good.  I was totally
>    impressed with the first few listens but I'll want to listen more
>    before reviewing.

Which lang version did youhear?  English version or Italian version?
Anyway, I do not think they have issued many LPs.  What I am aware is
only one.  The English version starts with the song as: "When you 
hear the music, do you think of a lovely ..."  
   
>    -Mike

---
T. Matsuzawa
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: NOVA
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:24:53 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep9.032601.7643@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>Here's another question.
>
>Is the Narada Michael Walden on Nova and a lot of great fusion
>projects form the 70s, the *same* Narada Michael Walden that's
>involved with unbelievably lame hip-hop, rap, r&b slush projects
>in the 80s and 90s?

I believe it is.  He does not, however have any connection with Narada
records, one of the better newage labels.

My first experience with Walden was from "Visions of the Emerald Beyond".
A few years later I used to go see a local club band called "Uncle Rainbow".
This band was basically a club dance band that did about 70% original material
and covererd such things as Weather Report,  Steely Dan, Herbie Hancock and
a variety of other things.  They were exceptionally tight,  all adept 
on their instruments and had a male vocalist whose combination of soul
and rock-n-roll abilities reminded me of Huey Lewis.  He was one of the few
male vocalist that I've seen successfully pull off "God Bless the Child".
In any case, these guys were loaded with talent and it was a shame that a
label hadn't picked them so others couldn't enjoy some of their original
material on a recording.  Somehow they got together with Narada Michael Walden,
who was to produce an album for them.  After many hours recording some
of their material it sat in some recording studio while Walden flaked out
on them.  The only recorded material that was release to the public was a 
four song EP that really didn't fully show their full potential.  Two of the
member did later go on to record several albums.  Brent Bourgois and Larry
Tagg (his brother Eric did a few vocals with Lee Ritenour) became Bourgois Tagg
and at least one of their albums did fairly well.  Brent Bourgouis has since
recorded a couple of solo albums.  For some reason I never pikced up any
of these.  Although I spoke with Brent on many occasions, thought he was
an excellent musician and a hell of a nice guy, I could see the chemistry
that the Uncle Rainbow had continuing in the partial band.  

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
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From: vanhemel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Van Hemel )
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:22:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Peter Thelen writes:

>BTW, has anyone out there heard the "Renaissance" live bootleg disc from
>the 74 tour ?? Any comments on it would be appreciated (like track list,
>sound quality, is it worth thirty bucks, etc.). Musea had it listed in
>their spring 92 catalog.

Just this past weekend I saw a Renaissance live CD in a Tower Records (one
that has a separate IMPORTS section).  I didn't buy it because it was $30.99.
I didn't have anything to write on to take down catalog number etc.,
but what I remember was it was called "Live in London '75"  or I THINK it
was '75.  The cover was a painting of the band similar to the one on the
back of Novella (maybe it was post-Novella then, like '78 not '75).  There
were about 6 songs, one of which was Ashes are Burning, 18 minutes long.
The insert had very little information on it and the label was a name 
I've never heard of like Gentschen or Grentscher or something like that.
If it wasn't a bootleg, it was certainly a rather amateur or indie job.
Does Tower even allow itself to sell bootlegs?  If I'm right about it
being '75, could this be about the right time to be the one Peter says is
from the '74 tour?  Or has anyone else seen this and know what it is?

Dave



--
   David A. Van Hemel           | "Just remember nothing
                                |    is the end of the world
(vanhemel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) |  Until the world comes to an end."
From: DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Dream Theater info!!
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:14:27 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


1. WHo are they?
     A REALLY COOL PROGRESSIVE METAL BAND FROM KING'S PARK NEW YORK.
     MY BROTHER KNOWS ONE OF THE MEMBERS FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
2. How may albums have they out?
     THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TWO ALBUMS.  THE FIRST IS CALLED "WHEN DREAM
     AND DAY UNITE"  AND THE SECOND, RELEASED JUST TWO MONTHS AGO,
     "IMAGES AND WORDS".
3. Recommendations?

     (okay, enough caps.)  On the first album, they basically had a
     sound like "Rush meets Metallica".  The music is pretty good,
     a little heavy at times (which is really wierd, considering I
     used to be a thrash nut) and they probably weren't too focused
     on their main sound. Rating: 6.5
          Their second album, though, is quite different.  They found
     their sound insofar as wanting to "bring back" the original prog
     styles of YES and KING CRIMSON (TRUE progressive style, IMHO!!)
     and it does indeed show, but not everywhere.  Sometimes it sounds
     like Queensryche (Silent Lucidity=PF's "Mother" IMHO), especially
     in his voice.  The album is an overall huge improvement!
     Rating: 8.7

4. What label are they on?
     On their first album they were on MECHANIC records.  It's somewhat
     hard to find.  Second LP is on a major label.  No prob. finding it.

                  ******    Hope this helps    ******

                                      David A. Barro (DAB112@PSUVM)
From: acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Date: 5 Sep 1992 00:31:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, LA Ca.
Distribution: alt
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In article <1992Sep3.122940.16284@cs.tulane.edu> piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart) writes:
>Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16218]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
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>
>> I would reccomend "Birds of Fire" to anyone because Mahavishu is
>> nothing short of amazing on guitar in this album.
>
>IMO, even better than the wonderful _Birds of Fire_ is _Inner Mounting Flame_,
>the first release from Mahavishnu.  The guitar is better and more exploratory,
>and Jan Hammers keyboard work is excellent.  A must-have.
>	Mike

As long as we are on the subject of John McLaughlin I recomend people
check out "Johhny McLaughlin-Electric Guitarist".  This album features
McLaughlin with a variety of musicians on different cuts, 
 
here are the personel on different cuts on the album as best I can
recall ; 

Chick Corea, Stanley Clark, Jack DeJonett on a tribute to coletrane on
one cut ; "Do you here the voices you left behind" 

JM, Tony Williams, and Jack Bruce (of Cream fame) - 
	  "Are you the one?"

JM & Billy Cobham - "Compulsion-Convulsion" - Wild Mahavisnu/Hendrix
						style flailings

JM Solo - ??


JM, Jerry Godman, Stu Goldberg, Billy Cobham, ? - 
		    "New York on my mind"    has a very Mahavishnu
		    like sound

JM, Carlos Devadip Santana, Tom Coster, (rest of Santa's Band)
		    "Friendship"

JM, David Sanborn, Alphonso Johnson, Tony Smith, Patrice Russin - 
		    "Every Tear from every heart"

Anyway this album has great energy variety and some incredible
mixtures of musicains.

			Joe Acosta

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