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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Ugly Rumor-mongerers
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:32:22 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <92105.143233MAH76X@ROHVM1.BITNET> MAH76X@ROHVM1.BITNET writes:
>Sure, I don't want to read about personal habbits of the band members.  
>But maybe the fellow was new around here, and was trying to contribute 

	If someone posted "Hey, I hear Joe Doheny is smoking crack 
and molesting little girls again.  Is it really true?"  I'd react the
same way.  Because someone is a public figure is no reason to take
liberties with their reputations.  It's rude to talk about anyone that
way, new on Usenet or not.

								W.rat
From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Early grovel for Vegas
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:00:36 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Hey now,
   Now that my wife and I have celebrated our 3 month anniversary, the time
has come for her to experience her first show. We are looking for a pair
of tix to the Saturday Vegas show. I missed the mailorder and hate to have
to deal with Ticketmaster. Tix go on sale this weekend and I would love to
line up a pair from a fellow nethead before I am forced to the bastards of
tickets. Thanks a lot!!!   Ramble on,  Rich

p.s. just respond to this message and I'll get a check/money order to you
     immediately!!!!
From: durham@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Terri Durham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: altitude and breathtaking views
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:17:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36363
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR



     in response to whether jerry played on a mountain in california:


    yes, and it was a doozy!!!  i've never been to such a powerful energetic
    show.  it was at Squaw valley ski resort, and oh what a wonderful show.
    it was a music festival with jerry band, grisman, nevill bros., and other
    assorted bands.  what a great time, and view......


    speaking of views has anyone ever heard of a vineyard in George, 
    Washington?  the Chateu something er rather?  it is approx.  2.5 hrs
    up into Washington along the Columbia Gorge.  i was up there last
    summer for the Allman Bros.  what a great view!!!!  i heard Carlos
    Santana said it was the most beautiful place he'd ever played.  i
    totally agree.  it is a natural amphitheatre built into the side of
    a mountain, and since it is along the gorge there are a lot of high
    mountain walls.  the back drop of the stage over looks the gorge.
    Allmans played late afternoon and the sunset was absolutely "gorgeous"!!!

    if you haven't ever been you've got to check out any show you can!INTENSE!


    peace,  terri
From: jc40+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan Paul Caron)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: star lake
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:09:09 GMT
	<43299@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In fact, Starlake has been used as the Wheeling, WV stop on
some bands tours (I forget whose...) who also had stops at
the Civic Arena,  so it is definitely not in Pittsburgh. 
Nice venue in a country setting.

There is very little around (at least a year ago). I went to
the second show there (Billy Joel) and the sound was good,
but when we tried to find some place to eat afterwards, we
ended up driving all the way back home. No golden arches
anywhere in sight.

And the traffic problems from the first day seemed to have
been worked out. Been back two times since, never a hassle.

--jon caron
From: x86wester@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: New hotline message-summer tour
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:34:37 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Apr12.074936.29878@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay) writes:
> 
>>Could someone please post a confirmation of this information?
> 
> West Coast Hotline confirms the dates and places listed, but offers no
> offers no additional information.  As of this posting, East Coast hot
> hotline rings and ring s s s and ringsssss....
> :-)
> FWIW,
> Eric N
> -- 
> Eric Nay  2430 Drexel St., Vienna VA  22180
> bs810@cleveland.freenet.edu       "Life is Happenin'"

I'm having the same problem with the East Coast Hotline-anyone else?, or am I
just doing something wrong all of the sudden?

***If prunes are dried plums, how do we get prune juice?...Raisins are dried
grapes and you don't see raisin juice.
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: PEACE ? More on the rumors.....
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:04:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Ok, so I'm new to this group and maybe its not my place to get involved
in this, but here goes.....Is anyone else out there a little tired of the
bashing that is going on over this rumor thing? Do we really need to be
spending so much time attacking each other? I guess my point is this --
we spend a lot of time having to explain to people why we follow the Dead, how
they could possibly have any importance to our lives, and we take a lot of shit
because we've chosen a path that isn't cool to an (apparently) increasing
number of people (ie the law, the church, the media). Isnt protecting each
other what part of this whole scene is about ??? I've read about every missle
in this rumor war and it seems to me it all started with a hint of concern for
Jerry. I realize that rumors can be very damaging to people, but look at what a
small commentary on something that might be possibly hurting Jerry has
caused...every other posting is a comment on this rumor and what assholes
people are because they repeat them. Last week when I found this group I was
relieved that I had finnally found one of the computer groups that I'd heard so
much about. But the negativity sure has set in since. I'd like to become an
active participant with this group! Cant we come to some kind of mutual
decision on this and move on??? Remember, with divison among ourselves, the
music can be stopped. peace,

                              Eric

                           rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu

"Strangers stopping strangers, just to shake their hands....everybody's playing
in the heart of gold band...."


o 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Noah Rubins <ST802289@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dead-Flames Digest #751
Reply-To: ST802289@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:44:00 GMT

   Excuse me, but I was under the deluded impression that this was a
GRATEFUL DEAD related posting.  My valuable time is already stretched to
the limit by the high volume of inane material that passes through here,
without this blathering simpleton posting his ENTIRE list of thousands of
#@$#!! COMIC BOOKS!  Even if I was loser enough to be interested, I really
wouldn't want to spend my time paging through the list!  I, for one, have
better things to do on a Friday night.  Like listen to 6/24/85 He's Gone-->
Smokestack!  Just keep your personal sales pitches off the list, will you?
Find the comic book list, and bury yourself there.
        --Happily relieved of that which was on my chest,
                                             Noah Rubins  @---->-----
From: maginnis@math.ksu.edu (John Maginnis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: what time vegas?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 15:53:54 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

durham@chico.cse.ogi.edu (Terri Durham) writes:


>     what time do the shows in vegas start?


>   terri

I believe the scheduled time is 2 pm, but that of course is for
the openning band, Steve Miller.
From: libapm@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Anne Mosby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Mountains of the Moon live
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:13:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia State University

In article <1992Apr9.183715.3758@gw.wmich.edu> x88keon@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>I have been searching for a long time for a show where they did
>Mtns. of the Moon.
>Does anyone know of a show where they played this?

Try The Ark in Boston, 4-22-69 set II.  The set, or at least my tape, starts
off with an acoustic Dupree's and an acoustic Mts of the Moon...very sweetly
done.  There's a jam at the end of Mountains that melts into an electric
Dark Star...but it's sooooooooo subtle.  I remember the first time I heard 
it I was completely wigged out and rewound the tape to hear the transition
again.  It's like "wait a minute...I thought they were on acoustics.  What
happened?"

I highly recommend this show if you ever see it.

Chris "no, my name's really not Anne"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: LANDO <DBECHTOL@pearl.tufts.edu>
Subject: abcdefg
Reply-To: DBECHTOL@pearl.tufts.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:32:10 GMT

PRESERVE THE BASIC AMERICA RIGHT TO ARM BEARS!
From: diane@brl.mil (HEL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:21:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Apr10.122155.7282
Reply-To: diane@brl.mil
Organization: The Internet

Mark
Please remove me from the dead-flames mailing list.
Thanks
Diane K. Mitchell
diane@brl.mil
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Ellen Buckley <eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu>
Subject: greyson's "stuff"
Reply-To: eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:17:25 GMT

no, the mail order dates for charlotte have not been announced yet.  i know this b/c i have been
checking my mail 3 times a day for the past two weeks!!

charlotte coliseum is, as the name implies, in charlotte, which is southwest of raleigh and UNC (the 
one that i think you're thinking of is in chapel hill-- i expect you'll get LOTS of interesting 
comments about suggesting that it's in raleigh.  ncsu is in raleigh).   probably the reason you're 
confused is that the rumored nc dates were supposed to be in raleigh, either at walnut creek ampitheater
or at carter-finley stadium, which is where ncsu plays football.  but anyway, these shows are now
rumored to be in charlotte.  

the coliseum is pretty good, i guess-- i've only been to 2 shows there but i don't recall any security
problems (no major ones anyway).  maybe somebody else has a story to tell about charlotte?. . . 
i live about an hour away from charlotte, so i've never camped out there, but there's a place called
lake norman just outside charlotte which is pretty nice.  

from norfolk, i suppose the easiest way to charlotte is 95 south to 85 south.  85 will take you into
charlotte. . . 

and i've only been to 2 shows at rfk also, but i didn't have any problems there either.  i would say
charlotte would be a more fun trip, though, just b/c you wouldn't have to drive into d.c.  (driving 
in d.c. SUCKS).  


                                        peace!!


-- 
************************
ellen p. buckley
************************
From: x86wester@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: DEADBEATS upcoming
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:39:53 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <92105.201834MAH76X@ROHVM1.BITNET>, <MAH76X@ROHVM1.BITNET> writes:
> I've been on the net for about two and a half years now.  I constantly see
> these adds for the Deadbeats.  I *NEVER* remember hearing ANYTHING on the net,
> about people seeing these guys.  If anybody has seen these guys, could you
> let all us non-midwest people in on what they are like?
> 
> Thanks :-)
> Joe Doheny

I've seen them twice in Kalamazoo- both times were an absolute blast. 
Considering that K-zoo is not exactly the head capital of the world, we'll take
what we can get.  If my clouded memory serves me correctly they have a tape
deal which requires one to send them three tapes and you'll get two tapes worth
of live shows back.  I'd imagine their hotline could help you with the details.  
Either live or by tape, I'd reccomend checking them out.  If anyone has a tape,
it would sure be nice of them to comment on it's merits or lack thereof,
although if the tape is anything like the band live it should be exceptional. 
My opinion, take it for what it's worth.

	X86WESTER@GW.WMICH.EDU

	next week e-mail moves to a borrowed account for the summer
	@    X86WATSON1@GW.WMICH.EDU

						MIKE WESTER

******If prunes are dried plums, where do we get prune juice?*************
From: upchuck@gl.pitt.edu (Charles L. Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Hornsby *RUMOR*
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:56:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr7.114124.25453@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ezucker@pica.army.mil writes:
>RUMOR ALERT:
>
>My friend called me last night with the message that "Bruce Hornsby has
>officially left the Grateful Dead..."
>
>I know of no other details.  This is simply a RUMOR that's currently bubbling 
>up through the RUMOR mill, the origins of which are unknown.   
>
Well....it's been mentioned in this newsgroup that he might/probably will be
taking a hiatus or leave completely because of his newborn twins and the
fact that he's due for a new album this summer (Every two years, in and 
around the summer he has put out an album.  Anyone got anything solid???)

Sooooo...i guess it's possible...

Chuck
From: ecec@quads.uchicago.edu (Eric Cabot)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Wanted: Address for the NoteWorthy catalog
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:53:07 GMT
Reply-To: ecec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Greetings GdeadHeads,
   Can someone e-mail me the address for NoteWorthy?
(I'm not sure if posting the address if a violation of netiquette.)

E. Cabot, Director
Harry Faversham Memorial Obelisk Research Park
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From: SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: raiding the piggybank
Reply-To: SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:23:23 GMT

TRANSMIT=====HAPPY THOUGHTS TO YOU ALL========end of data
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: tickets
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:47:21 GMT

I just got my Vegas tickets from GDTS. It looks like they have changed
the ticket style again slightly.  The tickets  are not perforated, and
are multi-layered  (as I described in  the counterfeit ticket thread a
while ago).  I guess they are  going to  be  tearing  them at the door
again.
				reb

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From: shea@ntmtv.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: hotels: yes, i am a pest
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:56:27 GMT


In article <3627@isc-br.ISC-BR.COM>, Lennie Carlberg writes:
>  Could someone please send me a list of some of the Hotels in the       
>  Cal Expo area. I wasn't able to contact Ray Shea to see if he received
>  a list. 

Really?  We had some weirdness with our mail last week (so what's new?)
so maybe that's why you couldn't get through.  Hell, maybe that's
why I never received a list from anyone.  Jeez, you'd think at
least *one* person out there thinks a six-pack of Pete's Wicked
is worth 15 minutes of typing.



-- 
Ray Shea			"Anti-lock brakes are a good thing, but
DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650	 a brain is better."
(415)940-2527							-- Osborn
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From: begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer)
Subject: mail order box number??
Keywords: saw two different postings....
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:02:08 GMT


simple question:

	is tomorrow's mail-order to go to C-S 8190 or 81500 (you know
what i mean)?  i saw posts with both.

thanks.....


-- 
Popular culture is the art of making do with what the system provides!
                 Jeremy Ritzer          begonias@wam.umd.edu
From: bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Reduced taper section
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:19:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

FRAHME@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com writes:


>  One question....what's an FOB tape??

Front Of Board

Now you know,
Brad

-- 
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            "Been here so long he's got to calling it home"
From: maginnis@math.ksu.edu (John Maginnis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: New hotline message-summer tour
Date: 11 Apr 1992 08:27:33 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu
Summary: New hotline message-summer tour
Keywords: hotline

    A new message is on the hotline (as of April 10) and the rest
of the summer tour is on it.

    The mail order is over for Cal Expo, Shoreline, Las Vegas, and
Albany.  Cal Expo is on sale at BASS now, Shoreline and Las Vegas
on April 12, and Albany goes on sale at Ticketmaster  on May 9.

	Charlotte Coliseum- June 17,18 (7 pm)  $26.00  (TM May 16)

	RFK, D.C.- June 20 (6 pm, Steve Miller opens)  $28.50,
		res/ga   (TM May 16)

	Starlake Ampi,Pittsburgh- June 22,23   $27.00 for res,
		$25.00 for lawn.  (TM May 23)

	Soldiers Field, Chicago- June 25,26 (6 pm, S. Miller)
		$31.00 res.  (TM May 16)

	Deer Creek, Noblesville IN- June 28,29 (7 pm)  $27.00 for
		res, $25.00 for lawn.  (TM may 30)

	Buckeye, ?Habron??, Ohio-  July 1 (6 pm, S.Miller)  $27.50
		ga.  (TM May 30)

The mail order for these shows begins April 14 (Tuesday).  The address
is still C-S 8190.  If you want to tape, you must ask for taper's tix,
or they won't let your equipment in.  Reg. mail is $6.25, postage is
$.29 for 1-8 tix,$.52 for 9-12 tix.  Max of 4/show, except for stadiums
max=6.

Now there is a strange addition to the instructions concerning the
Starlake and Deer Creek shows (where lawn and reserved are different
prices).  If you want reserved, but would accept lawn, you must send
in TWO MONEY ORDERS!  You should send in one money order for the
amount due for lawn tix (plus reg mail fee), and another mail order
for the difference between lawn and reserved prices ($2 per ticket).
Thus if they send you lawn tix, they will return to you the second
money order.

Please call the hotline yourself to check all this (although I called at
6 am and still had to try for ten minutes before getting through).

Could someone please post a confirmation to this information?  Also,
what is the city for Buckeye? I couldn't understand it.
From: wuly@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Blws Agnst the Empire tourinfo needed
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:18:46 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hello once again...
	A while back (geez, I seem to be at least a week behind everyone else)
people were talking about the Starship's Blows Against the Empire tour. Is 
that still happening? Are they playing anywhere during the Summer? Are they
playing stuff from that album? It's my all time favorite Airplane/Starship
album and among my favorites of any albums. I'd be ultra excited to see that
live- Can anyone give me more info on this (ie dates places etc...)?
	Thanks a lot in advance..
zack falin

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From: John Anthony Walsh <jawalsh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: ice cream Dead Sighting
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:07:32 -0500

In article <sdt7L5y00VozI1Klss@andrew.cmu.edu> Laura Rose Palanker <lp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Ben and Jerry's out of Vermont, I think, have been marketing a wonderful
>Cherry Garcia flavor for a while now. (as well as a zillion other
>wonderful flavors...) I don't think you all get it out in the midwest
>though - we in Pittsburgh don't....
>FWIW,
>laura

Ben and Jerry make great ice cream, but for people who try to associate
themselves (however remotely) with the Dead, I think they're pretty
rotten, even loathesome characters.  I've recently truned against these
guys because they opened up a franchise store here in Bloomington, IN
and a "regular scoop" of icecream costs $2.65.  Give me a f-ckin' break.
I don't care what kind of "high quality" ingredients they use, that's
outrageous.  I hope they go under in a big way.

John


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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert Williams Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Charlotte Colliseum/Max Points
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:58:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Apr9.195803.16776
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

Ok, this is in response to 2 posts I just read.

1. The reason you cant get Infared Roses on cd from Maxell is b/c it
is too expensive--Maxell only gives out cheaper, single cds.

2.No, Charlotte colliseum is not in Raliegh at UNC (UNC is not in Raleigh,
but thats a different story, one that will no doubt cause many NCSU
students to flame vigorously). As you might guess from the name, Charlotte
Colliseum is in Charlotte, NC. It is a very new, very nice venue. I think
the thing I like best about it (esp. when compared to RFK) is the fact
that it is not in the middle of the city, so traffic around the venue is
NO PROBLEM. Thats right, hard as it may be to believe, you can just drive
straight up to the colliseum, pay for parking and go in. No shit.
I also like the fact that its indoors, therefore causing better sound.
Getting to Charlotte frm Norfolk requires going to Greensboro (on 58, I
think) and taking 85 to Charlotte.

WHich will be better, RFK or Charlotte. Last year they did Help->Slip and
Dark Star in the same set in RFK. God knows why, cause the sound in RFK
bites. BUT the last two times at RFK have produced Dark Stars.
Not that I had any problem with Space->GDTRFB-->Wathctower Morning Dew
from Charlotte :-) :-) :-)\

My advice---go to them both. They both are usually very easy tickets to 
get (esp. as RFK seats 50,000+).

But the cops are less cool in Charlotte.

ok, enough babbling
rob
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: No man is an island ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:02:37 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Apr17.031737.29036@ucselx.sdsu.edu> chris@ucselx.sdsu.edu (chris) writes:
> As far as Jerry goes, he's a public figure and has chosen to live under the 
>spotlight. 

	I don't think that's true.  He *is* a public figure but hardly 
seeks publicity the way, say, Madonna, does.  I'll bet the poor guy wishes
he could just go down to Golden Gate park and sit under a tree without
risking a mob scene...

>My actions and Jerry's cease being private matters when it affects other

	That no action of yours can NOT affect other people should be
obvious.  Since every action you take affects the world around you and
sends ripples spreading outward to wash the shores of other lives, is
your every action therefore a matter of public debate?  Do you need permission
from some public body to cook your dinner?

	Your actions cease being private matters when those actions directly 
cause harm to others.  Not when they indicate choices people around you
just don't approve of.  If the German Sheperd doesn't mind why should we?

							the wharf rat