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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More about the Falcon
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:09:07 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Harald Schoenfeld (mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de) wrote:
} 
} The hardware works very well: AD and DA converters sound excellent (also
} the bass is increased for headphones). Using 33 or 50 kHz it sounds
} just like the cd-player itself. Sending data via DMA from one subsystem

Are you impling that the Falcon cant sample at 48 Khz? Or at standard CD
rate (44.7 I think)?  That's bad. What if you want to edit DAT tapes at
48Khz and dump them back to DAT? It better have those sample rates. Please
clarify this for me.

--
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From: kllove@avenger.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:26:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


Here's something that may be interesting to the readers' of this subject.

Someone I know is getting Word Perfect for his Tandy computer.  As seems
to be typical in the IBM world, he's getting it from a friend.

The interesting thing (at least to me) is that he didn't even know that
it was illegal!  He had never heard of 'piracy' (or for that matter 'share-
ware').

*IF* he is a typical IBM user then it is no wonder that Atari is not doing
so good.  At least Atarians are knowledgable enough to know that copying
copyrighted material is illegal (in general OK?! I'm sure everybody can
point fingers toward some Atari owner who doesn't know about this.).

Apparently, some kind of education of the general public needs to be
implemented.  Anybody got some ideas?

BTW, I don't think I convinced him not to pirate WP.  At least he now knows
it's wrong and maybe his conscience will get the better of him one day.

                                                  Adios,
                                                  Kenneth Love
From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcons suck!
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:38:22 GMT

Original to: dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
In a message of <04 Dec 92 17:12:36>, dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
(3:713/602) writes:

 d> At least Amigas are proven to exist...

But get this - more than 50% of all amigas sold in australia since the first
model was released have been returned to the supplier _within_ 6 months,
dead.

The A500 has a 75% 6-month mortality rate.

Sorry.  I don't buy suicidal computers.

\`miff`                                                       /|\

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From: sjgavula@css.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Flash help
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Distribution: world
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu


Hi, I am having a problem using Flash on the ST
There are actually two problems  

1.  I see formatting characters on my screen...lots of
4m's and other characters.  

2.  I get garbage on my screen when I try to access certain
bbs' letters just scroll on my screen in a somewhat diagonal
pattern...

thanks for any help...please reply by email as I don't read 
read this group often

thanks

Susan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tose@brosme.dhmolde.no (Torbjoern Ose)
Subject: Re: The Great Falcon Debate
Organization: DhMolde - Computer Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:48:59 GMT

Peter Kocourek (qsi@contrast.wlink.nl) wrote:

: Trying to convince people that the Falcon is a good computer is one thing,
: but resorting to telling outright lies about the Falcon's capabilities is
: extremely counterproductive. Atari is just a computer company, not a
: religion.
: 
: YHS:QSI!
:  

Actually I think you're wrong. Atari is no longer a computer company (what have
they done that could give you that idea?), but it most certainly is a religion
(just look at c.s.a.st).

-
 Torbjorn Ose - tose@brosme.dhmolde.no - :)
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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Me Once More (This is the last time *I
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:24:55 GMT

In article 1g9b23INNhom@golem.wcc.govt.nz, wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.040038.3451@umr.edu>, S112397@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>>Ok. You've read the posts. Ducked under the flames. Now tell me
>>is the Falcon suppose to be between the TT and the STs or above
>>the TT?This confusion is brought to you by the igorenant SAM GROVES.
>
>The Falcon is above all previous Atari releases, indeed for what it does
>for the price - it's above virtually every other computer on the market!
>(Although, it itself isn't on the market yet as such)
>
>Of course - everyone who has a different opinion (e.g. IBM & Amiga users)
>(or most of the dedicated ones anyway) - will debate this 8-) (note the
>smiley)

Uh, well, like you say, Steve, everyone has their own opinion.  And mine is
that the Falcon is positioned _between_ the MegaSTe and the TT.  Sure, it
has that nifty DSP and new graphics resolutions, but it hasn't the processor
speed, expandability, superior case design, etc, etc of the TT.  The Falcon's
market niche is the home user.  The TT's market is the low-end workstation.
Both are best in their own areas of speciality.

But in the end... "You pays yer money and you takes yer choice."  :)
---

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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Lha Files
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:32:11 GMT
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Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum's message of 14 Dec 92 13:48:06 GMT

In article <ABADDON.92Dec14134229@suprenum.uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum> abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan) writes:
|
|But then anyone with a hard disk *and* a grain of common sense would have some
|sort of startup selection program on his hard disk anyway....
|
Hmm. I refuse to pay for anything as trivial as this, so I lived without one
for a long time (that and the fact that the PD ones I have seen seem to be
suffering from Software Bloat) until I finally had a MiNT setup which I used
around 50% of the time. Then I simply wrote a piece of C which asks whether
I intend to run MiNT, and renames DESKTOP.INF files, AUTO progs and ACCS
appropriately. Of course, when I want to change a setup, it requires a
re-compile, but that's 5 minutes work, and I don't have to use one of those
Damn Great Super-Mega-All-Singing-All-Dancing boot programs.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Warwick's personal problems
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:34:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71394@cup.portal.com> <11418@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>

Guess you haven't been following the discussion very closely,
Warwick...  thats OK, you're excused.

So.. what exactly is it that leads you to believe I have any
"personal problems" with Atari Corp..?

(Or is that supposed to be along the lines of "Have you stopped
beating your wife yet..?)

By the way, Warwick, do you have any personal problems you'd like
to air in front of the net..?
 
I'd really prefer to discuss computers and things like whether
motherboards come with CPU chips, but if you insist, we can
talk about your reading comprehension problems.

BobR
From: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Computer Magazines
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:39:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com () says:

>Actually, I don't think there IS a good "non-specific" computer
>magazine left in the marketplace today..
> 
>  stuff deleted...
>
>I've gotten Dr. Dobb's Journal since the days when it was printed on
>newsprint and featured articles about how to adapt "bargain" keyboards
>to your homebrew computer system..  in recent years though, it's
>become "just another PC magazine".. the high level of technical
>information is still there, but with a different focus.  Flipping
>through its pages though, you can see, in its advertising, why that is..
>
   At my office, we used to get PC Magazine. Then, it became so weighted down
with ads, that you couldn't flip through it, because the fat Gateway and
direct-mail company ads would get stuck on your flippingfinger. So we
stopped subscribing. Now we read InfoWorld for our info, which, IMHO
is probably closest to being "non-specific." Although, sad to say, they have
been going for the big inserts lately (even Am*ga had an insert !?)

   But I digress. I think this situation is merely symptomatic of the intellectual
monopoly that the IBM mindset has upon the world (did you ever read _The_Three_
Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch_ by Philip K. Dick? This is a good metaphor for
what is happening in the computing world :-)

   I find that the only solace from this PC-centered mess is the virtual
world of publication. Nothing can beat Usenet for its dynamicism and quick
response time. I find myself reading the editorial page of the newspaper and
looking for the "respond to this article" key.

> 
>It'd be great if some magazine could buck the forces in the marketplace
>and just publish whatever it wanted to, but unfortunately it probably
>wouldn't last long..
>
   In the music and pseudo-intellectual scene, there are a number of small
magazines which do just this. These 'zines have a small distribution, a few
channels by which they are distributed (since Factsheet Five went electronic,
there is no regular medium for mass reviews of such 'zines to be available to
the average citizen), and most of the time, good to excellent content.

   I used to publish a 'zine called "HeadCheck." It's easy and cheap to do a
small 'zine, but you're not gonna make any $$$ off it. Well, who knows?

-- 
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From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: A1200
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:24:14 GMT

Apparently CBMs answer to the Falcon, the A1200 is now available in the
UK.  The most likely release date for the Falcon would seem to be February.
  Its not all bad news though, looking through comp.sys.amiga.hardware reveals
that the A1200s are being shipped without half the manuals, without the
promised adaptor to use VGA monitors, without any hardware clock (apparently
all the official documentation claiming that there is one on the A1200 is
is wrong.), the sound output level is so high that it distorts unless you put
a resisitor across it and there are serious problems with the TV modulator.
  As one Amiga person put it:

"Commodore has released a new machine one month before Christmas to try to
sell as many as possible, but they were really NOT READY to launch it."

- Leo.
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From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Need Miracle Piano-type software
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:28:18 GMT

In article <mbernar-141292201706@esemac.erenj.com>, mbernar@erenj.com
(Marcelino Bernardo) wrote:
> 
> My wife and I are planning to get a midi-compatible keyboard (budget:
> <$300, 
> probably a Casio or a Yamaha) for the family (includes 2 kids 5 and 6.5).
> First, we would like to find a MIDI software for the ST (1040STf) that
> teaches the piano like the Miracle Piano system.  Any recommendations would
> be appreciated.
> 
I got some information from Atari Explorer, Feb. 92.  It looks like
Electronic Courseware Systems, (217)-359-7099 and Midi-Mouse Music (503)
622-4034 have some software that might be what I need.  I would appreciate
hearing about other people's opinion of their software or a reference to a
review.

Thanks.

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?  (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 20:29:16 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec17.195300.4758@news2.cis.umn.edu> davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:
>Personally, if *I* arranged a meeting with people at Atari, and *I* spent my
>own funds to get there to demonstrate a software package, *I* would want to
>call the shots as to who *I* wanted to talk with ... and if Atari decided that
>the appropriate people to speak with were, to me, inappropriate, I would have
>told them so.

And if *you* were Bill Gates meeting with IBM about MS-DOS, *you*
wouldn't have allowed yourself to be jerked around so much or signed
such a binding agreement with them -- *you* would have walked out and
blown the deal upon which an empire was built.

The simple fact is that when you're trying to sell something to a much
larger company, you do it on their terms rather than blow the deal, 
regardless of what those terms might be.  In a perfect world, an
enterprising small company with a good product would be on equal
bargaining ground with a large computer company.  But it doesn't
work that way in practice.

Besides all that, we were told that we'd be meeting with the
"Falcon Game Devlopment Team."  Seemed logical enough to us.  We
had no reason to expect the irrational spectacle we encountered,
and therefore had no reason to be paranoid.

>Of course, all *I* was wondering in my posting was what the hell LYNX
>programmers were doing in a meeting discussing a set of Atari ST/Falcon
>programming libraries.  [How Atari can feel that people who sit at Amigas all
>day programming for hand-held game machines are capable of programming games
>for the Falcon is beyond me...]

And, as you answered for yourself, it's because we were too stupid to
make sure the right people would be in the meeting.  Our fault.
Right?

Dave Baggett
--
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From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory on MultiTos
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew Lodge)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

In article <1992Dec16.043917.1193@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
>I was wondering whether there are any plans on supporting virtual memory
>with MultiTos. Virtual Memory seems like a great feature. Example, with
>v.m. one will never have to worry about their terminal program's capture
>buffer getting full. Now, I have a feeling MultiTos does not yet support
>v.m. because nobody seems to have mentioned it as one of its features.

There is no VM at the moment. However, the ideas on memory ownership in the
current version of MiNT are what is required for a basic VM implementation.
I would guess that it's just a matter of time before it's added, but I guess
that Eric has other priorities right now!

>(At our university, we have tons of 16Mhz,68020-based workstations for the
> first-to-third year students that use virtual memory THROUGH A NETWORK,
> [meaning no local hard disk, a virual memory page swap has to be done 
>  through a busy network] and run quite well. You NEVER (ever) have to
> worry about running out of memory.

Not quite true -- you can run out of swap space on the server, and there is
a limit to the total amount of memory a process/user can have. And swapping
over the network is still much slower than swapping onto a local hard disk.

>------- topic 2 -------
>
>Another topic I was wondering about was whether MiNT (and thus MultiTos)
>does the following: When a program is loaded, say program X. If the program
>is loaded again in another window / by another user / by a background shell
>script, will the operating system notice that it is already loaded and just
>use the copy in memory (but having a local stack and program pointers)
>or will it load the program all over again (thus wasting precious primary
>memory)?

You mean sharable code segments? A good idea, but there are problems with
programs that use self-modifying code. I hope that these are few and far
between (because they'll cause problems with processor caches as well).
Llamamtron is an example of such a program -- the sample replay routine is
self modifying :-(

Perhaps there could be a bit set in the program header to indicate that its
code can be shared... Eric?

>"''''" Odisseas Kosmatos "'"'' kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca "'"''" My Idol. Please

Mat

| Mathew Lodge                      | "What think you, my lord, of... Love?" |
| mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk          | "You mean rumpy-pumpy?"                |
| Langwith College, Uni of York, UK |  -- Blackadder II                      |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ens@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: The myth of the upgradeable/generic quality of PC-compatibl
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:37:45 GMT

In <71710@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

>OK, to restate the motherboard thing.. there IS standardization, and there
>is in MOST cases an easy upgrade path.  Nearly ALL motherboards come with
>CPU and BIOS chips.  There ARE some exceptions, but most PCs can be easily
>and inexpensively upgraded, either by the user themselves, or by any service
>technician without the need for physical modifications.

>(Incidentally, the original IBM PC itself cannot be upgraded this way
>because of the number and spacing of the slots.. I'm surprised no one
>brought that up..   :)

>The entire point, which seems to have been lost in all the shouting, is
>that for most owners of PCs, there IS an easy, and inexpensive upgrade
>path available, if they choose to take that route to greater speed or
>computing power.

So why does almost nobody do it? Why are there ads from companies
ditching a dozen '286s because they're buying all-new 486's? If 
it's so easy and cost-effective couldn't they bring in a technician
for a couple of hours to upgrade the old ones?

Open architectures have their advantages, but the ability to upgrade
cpu/clock... is not one commonly used. The flexibility to add
peripherals is the main advantage of an open bus. But with the
convergence on SCSI as a peripheral bus, even that advantage is
less important. And there are disadvantages too, like the 
responsibility of the user to configure this and that.

Werner
From: mpark@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon030 in Keyboard Magazine
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:11:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec12.231159.7126
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Just FYI, there's a write-up on the Falcon in the January 1993
issue of Keyboard (a music/MIDI magazine), pp. 103-104.
It's the "Computers On-line" column by Geoffrey Ryle, and it's
quite positive;  I'll just quote the final lines:

   "I anticipate many impressive offerings in the months
    to come.  All in all, I'd say the Falcon030 may be
    just what we've needed to escape this developmental
    vacuum we've been stuck in."

(I am not associated with Keyboard; I only picked up
this issue 'cause Bart Simpson is on the cover!)

--m
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GNU C
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:32:41 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

lehmann@cs.tamu.edu (Mark A Lehmann) writes:

>Does the GCC compiler also handle C++?  I seem to remember a discussion
>that GNU was going to incorporate C++ in to the GNU C compiler.

Yes.  If you have GCC set up, all you need in addition are:
(from atari.archive.umich.edu)

	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/G++/gpincl15.zoo
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/G++/gplibo15.zoo

Assuming you have these files:

	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Gcc/gcc231b1a.zoo
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Gcc/gcc231b1b.zoo
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Gcc/gcc231b1c.zoo
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Include/incl85.zoo
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Gnulib/libolb85.zoo
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Gemlib/gmlibo23.zoo (may not need)
	/atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Util/utlbin33.zoo (may not need)

--
Warwick
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From: geoffc@zebedee.uucp (Geoffrey Coan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: Geoffrey Coan (disorganisation)
Subject: Re: NN Newsreader Installation -- Help!?!
Keywords: NN, hermes, newsreader, installation
Summary: I need some help installing this with Hermes 1.00.
Reply-To: geoffc@zebedee.uucp
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:01:54 GMT

In <H.FnXttfyi6xA@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, Michel Forget writes:
>Hi!
>
>I just got a copy of the NN Newsreader (6.4.x.x 1.3) and I need some
>help installing it.
>
Well I've got a different question about NN - where is it ?

I thought it was on atari.archive (called nn13.lzh) but I couldn't find
it in the Telecomm directory or anywhere else.  Any clues as to where I 
can find it ?  I've only got e-mail (ftpmai) access so FTP details isn't
much good to me, sorry.

>From here on, things stopped going well.  For lack of other ideas, the first
>thing I did was type "nn.ttp".  The system responded with something along
>the lines of:
>
>"Can't open e:\usr\spool\news\.nn\MASTER  Mode 0x280  Errno=2"
>
>I created the .nn folder (what kind of a name is that?!) and tried again.  I
>got the same result.  From there, I tried to run NNADMIN and got the same
>response.

I think you need to do something like 'nnadmin -I'

>In dire need of help,
>
>-- 
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><<    mforget@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca    >>
><<  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  >>
><<               Michel Forget                 >>
><<   The Key:  Spirit over mind over matter.   >>
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Geoffrey
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