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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:08:58 -0500 
From: Erik Lauer <el0g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A&A - I think I found it!!!!
	<1992Dec15.204218.1@vax.sonoma.edu>

>> OK, I have said many times what they do:
>> They build 8 inf in Karelia, put only 1 inf in the Caucuses.  They have
>> 19 inf, 3 tanks, 2 fighters in Karelia, 1 tank in Russia.  Please tell
>> me what you build, and what you put where to make it so hard on them. 
>> You will not tell me, I do not know why.
>
>It depends.  If I attack Karelia or Defend.  3a and 2f attacking would not
>be very effective.
>You had BETTER take out Caucasus if I go defensive.  The Japanese will
>GLADLY prop me up and take out Russia.
>IF you can't take Caucasus back, you now have to build at least 2i in Russia,
>which dooms Karelia.

Of course I take out Caucasus if you go defensive.

>I simply revert to my original plan, which is VERY nasty.

I must have missed what your original plan is, what is it???

>>>Statisitcs SHOW that they have an average 2f in Karelia, and maybe 1 or 2a.
>>>This is not enough to survive my next attack!  UK has to send fighters in
>>>JUST to save Russia's butt!  I can keep up armor for 4 attacks.
>>>One or two remaining infantry will not keep Japan from backstabbing Russia.
>>>(You DID send something to reinforce your backside?-oops! It ALL went into
>>>Karelia for two turns!)
>>>Japan also cleans up fleeing units(even at the cost of their fighters)
>> that are
>>>trying to get to Karelia.
>>>Japan also bombs.
>> 
>> Please explain this.  Russia holds Karelia, Britain attacks Baltic with
>> 2 fighters, Caucuses with fighter, bomber, inf.  Britain reinforces
>> Karelia with 2 inf, and lands planes there.  Japan can not do anything. 
>> Russia build 8 more inf in Karelia and put tank there.  Karelia has 1
>> 1,11 2's and 4 4's.  What does Germany attack with to get good attrition?
>
>Lessee... does 6i and 9a sound adequate?

Let check out this 9a deal:

First turn you said you attacked using 8 tanks.
You start with 10 tanks, one of which is in Africa.  I guess you
transported up the tank from Africa, and built 7 more tanks.  Pretty
neat, considering that you can only build 6, ao I will adjust to 8
tanks.  How do you think 6 inf, 8a do against bomber, 10 inf (2
british), tank, 4 fighters?
First turn Germans get 5 hits, allies get 6 hits (slightly below
average).  Germany has 8a, allies have bomber, 5 inf, tank, 4 fighters. 
Germany gets 4 hits, allies get 5 (slightly below average).
Germany has 3 a, allies have 1 bomber, 1 inf, tank, 4 fighters.  Germany
get 2 hits, allies get 3.  Germany kills an inf and a tank.  All results
rounded in Germany's favor.  Every round attrition in allies favor. 
Allies held.  In answer to your question: NO it is not adequate to get
good attrition, it gets lousy attrition.

>> Bingo, but Japan is not that advanced yet, I can move the AA guns back
>> on turn 3.
>
>I think not.  The ADVANTAGE to fighters is that they can attack 2 away, while
>your other forces attack 1 away(they clear the way)  Russia may very well 
>be facing troops(tanks) in range by end of turn one, and DEFINATELY by end of
>round two.
>That flak is mine!

Please explain!  If you attack on turn 1, you do not take on turn 2 with
averrage rolling.  The AA guns are in Russia and Nov. anyway, how do you
take them?

>> Bingo, but Japan is not that advanced yet, I can move the AA guns back
>> on turn 3.
>
>I think not.  The ADVANTAGE to fighters is that they can attack 2 away, while
>your other forces attack 1 away(they clear the way)  Russia may very well 
>be facing troops(tanks) in range by end of turn one, and DEFINATELY by end of
>round two.
>That flak is mine!

Look, I said you have a decent chance of rolling well enough (~40%),
which is certainly possible to happen if we just roll up one game. 
Willing to play with the average rolls you mentioned before?

>Look at the board.  That A starts in SFE!  You cannot reach Russia with it!
>BTW, Japan kills it round one or two, anyway.
>Russia does not take Ukraine. 

>> Sure.  I look foward to it, though it may have to occur after winter 
>> break, OK?
>
>Okay here, too. going skiing 23rd to the 30th(yay!)

Have fun!

>Will be busy until then.  Figure around Jan 1 or so, possibly later  I am
>interested, but not in a hurry.

OK.


Erik
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