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From: tun@PHY.UCSF.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Asia's AIDS Time Bomb
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:09:46 GMT

Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:36:19 PDT
Reply-To: Southeast Asia Discussion List <SEASIA-L%MSU.bitnet@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
From: "Indonesia Publications/Task Force" <apakabar%IGC.ORG@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Asia's AIDS Time Bomb
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Status: R

    Reuter, Manila, April 11 - The economic impact of AIDS in Asia will
be severe, and a disproportionate burden of the disease will fall on
women in the poor countries of the region, the Asian Development Bank
(ADB) said.
    By 2000, a large commercial sex industry and drug use will spark an
AIDS epidemic in Asia, it said in its 1992 outlook.
    A majority of the 40 mln people expected to be infected with the
disease worldwide will be found in the region, currently the world's
most dynamic economic area, the ADB said.
    "Preventive measures have to be given top priority by governments
sooner rather than later," the ADB said.
    While the epidemic appears to much less serious in other parts of
Asia, the number of people infected with the HIV virus, which causes
AIDS, has now reached up to 400,000 in Thailand and up to one mln in
India, the World Health Organisation has said.
    Rapid population growth, increasing mass migration of labour and a
growing intra-Asian tourist industry will facilitate the spread of the
disease to countries scarcely affected at present.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:09:01 GMT

zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.212840.12447@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:
>>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>.....deleted.....
>>	
>>>	I hate to nitpick but the official name given to the October
>>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>event is G.30.S/PKI, and not G30S-PKI...   :-)
>> ^^^^^^^
>>
>>I also hate to know somebody who doesn't know talk about the case!.
>>Just a clue for you S=September NOT October.


>The New York Times Magazine, June 2, 1991. p. 61

>	"Tension exploded into violence at about 4 A.M on Oct 1, 1965,
>when a small group of soldiers arrived at the homes of seven senior
>generals.  Three of the generals were immediately killed, one escaped
>and the rest were kidnapped."

>	Sorry, but you are wrong...The event started on Oct 1, 1965.
>:-)
Hahahahahahaha
No. You're wrong!

If you don't know you may ask somebody who knows!!!!

G30S = Gerakan 30 September

October 1  was the kidnapped date of three generals.

Which one are you referring to? G30S or Gestok (?)(Gerakan satu October)?


>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Take my suggestion!
If you don't know you ask. If you are not so sure put question mark :-)
If you post and it is wrong, you're s*lly :-)

Darmawan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>	Definitely.  A Sultan is not a "normal" person and is not
>treated as such by the laws.  Just like a royalty in any other
>countries, a Sultan in Malaysia is considered as above the laws.

Wrong. In Great Britain for example, the Royal family is subject to the laws and
constituition. What the heck are you talking about, you make your sultan
sound more like a ..... typical "legalized gangster/mafia"....

Above the Law......

>	Of course, he can.  He is a Sultan.  It says in the
>constitution that he is above the law; therefore, how could you punish
>someone who is not subjected to the laws according to the laws
>themselves?

You make him sound like a God......is he? from the way you put it, possible...

>
>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>this earth.

Adolf Hitler existed , not exist, he is gone, remember? 

Now he becomes a facist,,,,,unbelievable. I hope you are just kidding,
otherwise, people like you can be a potential threat to the peace and harmony
that everyone is trying to achieve amongst the human race.

The only person that needs to be gotten rid of is probably you.

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 


tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 19:25:46 MST
From: C. K. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: An apology

Dear S.C.A. readers,

    This is meant for Mr. S. C. Lam.  I am sorry for responding to your
4/13/92 posting so hastily without allowing myself to fully comprehend your
message.  I did make every effort to withdraw it by staying until 4:30 am
CST but I yielded to my physical fatigue.  However, when I finally managed
to withdraw it from the netpost, some of you who are earlier birds than me
had already read it.  I withdrew it at 8:45 am CST today 4/14/1992.

   Again, I'm sorry for responding so hastily and consequently meaninglessly.

Sincerely,

   ** Chee-Keong Ng, Ph.D.  **
   Without fear and partiality
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:32:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr14.153224.54466
Organization: Utah State University


>>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>

> 	That will change in the next few years... trust me!!
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
	You are asking a lot from us !!
> 

> 	I am a proponent of the Islamic Law in Kelantan, and I support
> its implementation for every single living person in kelantan
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> regardless of races.  There goes your argument, down the toilet!!
> 	
	You are proponent of Islamic law because you know it won't 
affect you, afterall we all know you don't belong to the humand race.
 
> 	In other words, you will pimp your mom if it furthers your
> causes, am I right?  Boy, you are predictable.  Tell me something:
> would you pimp your wife just so that you can get a promotion?  I bet
> you would...
> 
> 	Homosexuality is considered immoral in Islam.  You, as an
> atheist, will have no difficulty bending over and getting your behind
> rammed by someone else.  Tell me, do you use lubricant for your above
> action?
> 
	But that does not mean every Muslim is a moral person.  You yourself 
provide an excellent example.  So there is still a chance that you have
no great difficulty of doing you know what.

> 	Congrats you little weenie.  You have been chosen as the
                                                          ^^
> biggest Nazi symphatizer of all time.
> 
        I am sure you intended to use the word 'by' rather 'as'.

> Eat shit you self-appointed wannabe know-nothing ass-licking
> dick-breath  cocksucking net-cop motherfucker...
> 
	Just when you think it is safe to read the net, here comes
more unprintables from the always eloquent ZAM.  You know, when all of us
encourage you to step out of MIT to explore Boston, we really don't mean 
to urge you to visit the "Combat Zone".  Judging from the improvment of
your vocabulary, I can see that you've been there more often than we 
thought.

> p/s: Sorry for those who are offended by some statements in this
> article.  The posting by the anonymous person above is invariably
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> bellicose, hate-spreading, and above all, blatantly false. National
> Enquirer probably carries more truth than this person's posting.
> 
	Aren't you refering yourself in here ?

Jack Teh

> ===------ 
> NorAazizam MohdAAsif
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Personal Experience of Racism
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:46:02 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr6.155410.21727@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	I believe, there are some new-bloods in the Department who
>believe that the way to fighting discriminations by the Chinese
>businesses on the Malays is by discriminating the Chinese WRT the
>government's jobs.  It is a perfectly sensible countermeasure to fight
>discriminatory practises by the Chinese businessmen.

Lets see.  We put more racism into our side.  You put more racism into
your side.  Because you put more racism, so we should increase the
racism in our side.  And it goes on ... where would this lead Malaysia 
to?  Another May 13?  Yep.  Zam's wish will finaly come true - inter-racial
violence and anarchy.  (ps.  Hey, maybe he is a fan of the Sex Pistols - 
you know "Anarchy in the UK", only this is "anarchy in Malaysia").

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From: v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies & NS ...
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:20:00 GMT
Organization: ---Roach Motel---
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <KYTAN.92Apr7111145@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>, kytan@mantra.fia.dmg
ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes...
> 
>.....  BTW, brain drain is not a reason for migration,
>brain drain is a RESULT of migration.
> 
are you sure?
in the beginning, brain drain is a result of migration.
but as it got worst,  it is no more a matter of re-servist
causing problems or what not.
as more and more people migrate, everybody follows. why?
you first make an assumption that the rich and educated are
able to assess the asian situation (likelihood of war) better
than the middle/lower class.  word gets out and as a result,
brain drain becomes a reason for migration!!!
follow the rich and you are unlikely to be wrong -- if you're
fast enough!
but, i admit that migration is a problem no matter what the 
resultant force that caused it.

ps. i am sad no replies focused on my  canadian border nude
    table top dancers.  so it is true what they say about 
    asians --- always studying and no fun!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (= G e r m a i n =)
Subject: Re: Important:PLEASE read.
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.200258.54398@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <73635@netnews.upenn.edu>, choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG) writes:
>> Dear fellow Malaysians,
>
> [some stuff deleted]
>
>> 
>> 	We should stop replying to people like Zam because he does not seem to
>> understand the basic manners of discussion in the network. Because of their
>> behavior, much  unnecessary enery and anger have been unleashed among members
>> of the network when all these energy should have been channeled into discussing
>> all sides of the issues.
>> 
>> 	I love Malaysia and I am not deterred by words that say I am loyal
>> to other countries like SIngapore, China.Of course I will be hurt when someone
>> calls me unpatriotic, or that I should leave Malaysia, or that I should give my
>> mum, sister to someone else....BUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF TALKING TO SENSELESS
>> PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THEY ARE INSENSITIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE' FEELINGS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM?
>> 
>> 	Please, Boycott people like Zam. They will only create trouble when
>> there is none. These people are flame-starters that will jeopardize the 
>> relationship among races. We should work together to solve the problems among
>> us, not insult each other's identity.
>> 
>> 	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
>> TOM
>
>	I share your sentiment about the boycott.  But on the other hand,
>Zam is the only one who is providing most of the "entertainment" in this net.
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>			[stuff deleted]
>
>Jack Teh



Yeah, Jack, I have to agree with you on that!!  :>


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.223313.255@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.200603.23106@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.021220.18492@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:
>>>
>>>Let's see, first the sultan of Kelantan avoids paying taxes, then
>>>the state decides to implement the islamic law while still protecting
>>>the Sultan?
>>>
>>>Just what kind of moronic logic is this?
>
>>	Nothing unusual with the above circumstances.  The Sultan of
>>Kelantan refuses to pay the tax assosiated with his car because he
>>does not feel he needs to get the federal's approval in doing so.
>>Since he has gotten the permission from the Kelantan state government,
>>that is all that matter to him and I don't see anything wrong with
>>this.

>Nothing unusual? you mean this happens all the time? Gosh, how good it
>must be to be a sultan....

	Definitely.  A Sultan is not a "normal" person and is not
treated as such by the laws.  Just like a royalty in any other
countries, a Sultan in Malaysia is considered as above the laws.

>I tend to gather from your statement( regarding the sultan choosing
>not to pay the tax) that this guy can actually get away with things
>that normal citizens wouldn't...What happen to equality?

	Of course, he can.  He is a Sultan.  It says in the
constitution that he is above the law; therefore, how could you punish
someone who is not subjected to the laws according to the laws
themselves?

>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

>You are one unbelievable guy! I hate to say this, but you are really a
>special creation, because it's people like you that makes everyone
>else intelligent.

	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
this earth.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: amir@csd.uiuc.edu (Amir Samad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:50:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


In article <1992Apr16.034044.2999@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 	I am sure you don't know the ones that I am talking about.
|> They have never been to any UMNO meetings, and their fathers are some
|> of the most influential people in Malaysia.  Let's just leave it at
|> that; I am not going to name names.
|> 
|> ===------ 
|> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
|> The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
|> promised to take our land and they took it.
|>                                                         Red Cloud

Ooooohhh... I think I know who you are talking about now. Yes, I do know them.
I doubt they would be very pleased by being referred to as pseudo-malays,
simply because they never attended any UMNO meetings. Especially by someone
they have never met. You should always get to know someone before saying things
about them, doing otherwise amounts to prejudice.

Amir Samad
Boston Unversity
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Habitat for Humanity!!!
Keywords: Malaysians only please!
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:08:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi!  If you are a Malaysian and also a member of Habitat for Humanity at your
college, please email me at gt6737b@prism.gatech.edu.

Thank you for your cooperation.

---eme--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:58:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.200603.23106@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.021220.18492@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:
>>
>>Let's see, first the sultan of Kelantan avoids paying taxes, then
>>the state decides to implement the islamic law while still protecting
>>the Sultan?
>>
>>Just what kind of moronic logic is this?
>
>	Nothing unusual with the above circumstances.  The Sultan of
>Kelantan refuses to pay the tax assosiated with his car because he
>does not feel he needs to get the federal's approval in doing so.
>Since he has gotten the permission from the Kelantan state government,
>that is all that matter to him and I don't see anything wrong with
>this.

I may not be a law student but as far as my knowledge of customs and
federal laws is concern, the customs have a federal jurisdiction that
overides the state laws.

In other words, if the customs file in an application for prosecution of
an individual, no state law can overrule the application for the state law
falls below the federal law.

>
>	A Muslim should live by the Islamic Laws; if a person refuses
>to live by the Shariah Laws, then by a simple logic, that person is
>not a Muslim.  That is all I have to say about the Kelantan state
>government's attempt to implement the Shariah Laws in Kelantan.

I didn't say anything about wanting or not wanting Islamic laws.

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Kelantanese government. So there.

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
-

-Rezal
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Fwd: Good Things in Malaysia
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:22:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr9.122257.54340
Organization: Utah State University

> 
> About our government's attempts at integration... on a personal level, I
> have always been very wary of the government's attempts at integrating
> our society.  I used to respond to 'Muhibah' posters and TV ads with
> skepticism.  After all, it seemed like a joke to have 'peace and
> harmony' stuffed down our throats!  And remember all those 'lagu
> patriotik' we had to memorize and sing at school assemblies?  (It
> wouldn't have been so bad if they were made to a more catchy beat than
> the march, don't you think ...) I didn't think I would ever say this,
> but there is still a need for these  lagu-lagu patriotik, the Muhibah
> campaigns ... because we need the optimism, and the idealism. Americans
> have their sports and their constant military show of might as excuses
             ^^^^^^

> to rally together under their flag, but Malaysians still need to find
> common groundfor unity. Fortunately yes, we still have our food! Malaysia
> must be the best example of harmony thru culinary obsession in the whole
> world... :-)  
> 
	I thought football in Malaysia bind us together.  I was sadden
by the news of the deaths of Moktar Dahari (sp ??) and goalkeeper
Arunmugam (sp ??).
	Since we are on the subject of football, doesn't anyone out
there have information regarding Malaysia Cup ?  Please provide some
relief to a football addict here.

Jack Teh   


>> 
>>Shakor Badaruddin.
> 
> Have faith! The sun's coming out...
> 
> -azleena salleh
> Carnegie Mellon Univ., Pittsburgh
> as5h@andrew.cmu.edu
> aurora@cmu.edu
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:57:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.192007.14729@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.183026.14101@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>
>>	I do know for a fact that the Sultan of Brunai is considered
>>as above the laws by the Brunai's constitutions.  I definitely made a
>>hasty remark by saying that every royalty in this world is considered
>>as above the laws; but in some countries, that is the case. The
>>Royalty in England might not be considered as such, but she is still
>>treated differently by the laws.  She does not have to pay taxes even
>>though she is the richest woman in the world...
>>
>
>So you think that this is a good thing? that some individuals get away with
>some things regular( i don't want to use normal) citizens don't?

	This is a real world, buddy.  In a real world, all humans are
not created equal.  Some people, like myself, are borned in poor
families, and we have to do everything we can to go to the top.  Some
people have their own lives handed to them on a silver-platter.  Wake
up and smell the coffee, will you?


>>>
>>>You make him sound like a God......is he? from the way you put it, 
>>>possible...
>>
>>	What I made him to sound like is not important.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Not important?! It sure reflects on your mental intellect.What next?
>The things that you say are not important also? Perhaps........

	You have a severe case of hereditary dumbness.  What I made
him out to be is irrelevant since what I said is backed with facts.
The fact that all Sultans are considered above the laws are etched in
the constitution.

>>	My fault.  It was late last night when I wrote this, but you
>>do get my point, don't you?

>It also seem to me that you write all your post "late last night" when
>your thoughts are disorganized and therefore a good excuse. However, i
>do hope that you will write something more intelligent when you're
>wide awake......NOT!!!

	You would not know of an intelligent argument if one hits you
on the face, so why waste the time?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:38:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.071259.21891@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9e-al@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Chua Hak Lien) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>In article <9204131043.AA10681@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>
>>LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley) writes: 
>>
>>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>>...                                                         ^^^^^^^
>>
>>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?
>>
>
>Zam, aren't you the guy who called someone "a geeky chink"?
>I'm sure Mr Tay did not intend the word to be derogatory. You, however,
>had no such qualms when you used the above quoted phrase.

	The guy is really geeky-looking.  What am I supposed to 
call him?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud