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From: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:32:55 GMT
Reply-To: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Sep07.173538.15718@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.135235.13333@cs.tcd.ie> sflinter@cs.tcd.ie (Stephen Flinter) writes:

->2. "He pushed his car to the hotel, and knew he was bankrupt"
-Nuclear war (which is what knocked out his car).  The hotel was
-blocking the view of the nearest explosion.  (nuclear war bankrupts
-you real fast :-) )
-(OK, so that's a silly answer)

The Hotel was on Mayfair, and it was a Monopoly Game

The Lemming
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From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: redundancy
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:03:45 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

nyh@gauss.technion.ac.il (Nadav Har'El) writes:
>or ROM/RAM memory or IBM machine?

Or, for that matter, if we're going to be this fussy how about "IBM
_Machine_"?

NICHAEL  
nichael@bbn.com  --                Bush/Gorbachev: One Down, One to Go
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Govender)
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Keywords: gestalt,assumptions
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:59:21 GMT


>In article <1992Sep7.211814.12821@tamsun.tamu.edu>, daugher@cs.tamu.edu (Walter C. Daugherity) writes:

>|> 2. A man lives on the 15th floor.  Every morning he rides the elevator to
>|> the ground floor and goes to work.  Every evening he takes the elevator to


>|> the 12th floor and walks up the stairs to the 15th floor.  Why?

he's too short to reach the button for the 15th floor.

morgan govender
govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za
From: kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: more on .999... = 10.0
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:22:49 +0200
Distribution: world               
Organization: World Violation, Inc.

plu@math.psu.edu (Todo Simpson) writes:
>
>    Sorry for having taken so long to follow up on this subject.
>
>    Proof that 10.0 = 9.9999...
>    using algebra:
>
> 	   x =  9.999...
>      10x = 99.999...
>    10x-x = 99.999... - 9.999...
>       9x = 90.0
>        x = 10
>
> 	   10.0 = x = 9.999...
>
I know this one:
           _ oo        -j       _ oo    j         1
0.999... = <     9 * 10   = 9 * <    0.1  = 9 * (----- - 1) = 1
           ~ j=1                ~ j=1            1-0.1         

Kai.          


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Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Audible Puzzles or Nonsense Questions
From: cstrom@astro1.phya.utoledo.edu (C. Strom)
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:02:11 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak) writes:
: Another one which is surprisingly effective:
: 
: Which is correct: "Eight and eight IS fifteen" or "Eight and
: eight ARE fifteen"?
: -- 
: Mark Isaak           "Every generation thinks it has the answers, and every
: isaak@aurora.com      generation is humbled by nature." - Philip Lubin

It's only a short step from there to the wonderful world of
non-sequitur...

Is it farther to Duluth or by bus??
What is the primary difference between an orange??

--
                                     christopher strom
And what rough beast, its hour            university of toledo
come round at last,/Slouches toward            cstrom@astro1.phya.utoledo.edu
Bethlehem to be born? _William Butler Yeats_
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: The ULTIMATE problem!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:47:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep14.134701.15578
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Sep14.145505.3801@hsr.no> onar@hsr.no (Onar Aam) writes:

>"Last Monday met I strangers three
>I ask'd Them of Their Age combin'd
>which amounted twice to Thine!

 x+y+z = 2*V

>Their Ages multiplied make plenty,
>Fifty and Ten Dozens Twenty."

 x*y*z = 50 + 10*12*20 = 2450 = 2*5*5*7*7

There are 20 choices for {x,y,z} with product 2450.  It so happens
that all have different sums except for

64 = 5 + 10 + 49 = 7 + 7 + 50

(and I had hoped that there would be another pair that would be ruled
out by the condition that the common sum be even; unfortunately with
product congruent to 2 mod 4 every factorization must have even sum...)

>"A little Clue I give to Thee,
>I'm older than all Strangers three."

The only way this can distinguish {5,10,49} from {7,7,50} is
for the Priest's age to be exactly 50.  (V=64/2=32.)

>I posted this problem to rec.org.mensa as well, and no-one dared

Another strike against densa, perhaps (though they can of course
retort that it was too trivial to bother with).

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Oxymoron-->New Thread
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:52:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.151354.17002@athena.mit.edu> jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu) writes:
>*******************************************
>My question is:  What are some other words
>that are self-descriptive like this?  That
>is, the word contains its definition or has
>an implicit concept which is its meaning?
>*******************************************

Non-self-descriptive.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: redundancy
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:15:07 GMT

In article <Lyon_Jim-090992141345@130.252.133.166> Lyon_Jim@Tandem.Com (Jim Lyon) writes:
>Let us not forget:  The El Camino Highway
>
Or my favorite place to eat :  La Casa de la Maison House.

RStimets



Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: redundancy
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:43:55 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.092316.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au>  
edwardsp@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au (Paul Edwards) writes:
> 	MIDI interface?
> 
> Paul
> edwardsp@insted.unimelb.edu.au

Which brings to mind SCSI Interface . . .

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From: stringha@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Stringham)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:05:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Audible Puzzles or Nonsense Questions was  Re: Slaughter of the Innocents
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles

A:  I bet I can make you say black.
B:  I bet you can't.
A:  What are the colors of the American flag?
B:  Red, white, and blue.
A:  There, you said it.  I win!
B:  No you didn't.  You bet me about black, not ...  Ooops!

A:  Say "joke".
B:  Joke.
A:  Say it twice.
B:  Joke, joke.
A:  Three times.
B:  Joke, joke, joke.
A:  Four times.
B:  Joke, joke, joke, joke.
A:  Now five times.
B:  Joke, joke, joke, joke, joke.
A:  What do you call the white of an egg?
B:  Yolk.  ...  Oooopps!

Gary Stringham
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: onar@hsr.no (Onar Aam)
Subject: The ULTIMATE answer
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:42:48 GMT


>A very bright and sunny Day 
>The Priest didst to the Verger say:
>"Last Monday met I Strangers three
>None of which were known to Thee.
>I ask'd Them of Their Age combined
>Which amounted twice to Thine!
>A Riddle now will I give Thee:
>Tell Me what Their Ages be!"
>
>So the Verger ask'd the Priest:
>"Give to Me a Clue at least."
>"Keep Thy Mind and Ears awake
>And see what Thou of this can make:
>Their Ages multiplied make plenty;
>Fifty and Ten Dozens Twenty."
>
>The Verger had a sleepless Night
>To try to get Their Ages right.
>"I almost found the Answer right.
>Please shed on it a little Light."
>"A little Clue I give to Thee,
>I'm older than all Strangers three."
>After but a little While
>The Verger answered with a Smile:
>"Inside My Head has rung a Bell.
>Now I know the Answer well!"
>
>The Question is:
>
>How old is the Priest?
>               =======


Thanks for all the replies to my little problem.
Anybody like my poem?
Some people reacted on my slightly provocative challenge.
People have also told me that this is a well-known problem.
I must apologize for picking on Mensa the other day,though.
After I posted the problem to rec.puzzles I did get ONE reply from a Mensan.
It was the only one from the Mensa-group,
but it was also the best of all the answers I have received.

The ULTIMATE answer came from Kevin Nechodom in Utah.
Salute to him.
THIS is how an answer should look like:



The puzzler tried to take the test;
Intriguing rhymes he wished to best.
But "Fifty and ten dozens twenty"
made his headache pound aplenty.
When he finally found some leisure,
He took to task this witty treasure.

"The product of the age must be
Twenty-Four Hundred Fifty!"
Knowing that, he took its primes,
permuted them as many times
as needed, til he found amounts
equal to, by all accounts,
twice the Verger's age, so that
He would have that next day's spat.

The reason for the lad's confusion
was due to multiple solution!
Hence he needed one more clue
to give the answer back to you!
Since only one could fit the bill,
and then confirm the priest's age still,
the eldest age of each solution
by one could differ, with no coercion.  <=(Sorry)

Else, that last clue's revelation
would not have brought information!
With two, two, five, seven, and seven,
construct three ages, another set of seven.
Two sets of three yield sixty-four,
Examine them, yet one time more.
The eldest age of each would be
forty-nine, and then, fifty!

With lack of proper rhyme and meter,
I've tried to be the first completor
of this poem and a puzzle;
my poetry, you'd try to muzzle!
And lest you think my wit is thrifty,
The answer, of course, must be fifty!
If dispute, you wish to tender,
note my addresss, as the sender!

-- 
Kevin Nechodom UofU STACC       











Onar.


Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Originator: jmkaraka@c00083-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:09:31 GMT


> 
|>  JM> 1) he died because he didn't see the sawdust
|> 
|>  JM> 2) John and Linda are dead.  There is glass and water on the floor.
|> 
|>  JM>  You notice how a lot of these puzzles have corpses in them!
|> 
|>  JM>  If anyone wants to play, I'll only post the yes/no replies rather
|>  JM> than
|>  JM> the situation.
|> 
|>  JM>  -john 'not just another tom, dick, or harry' karakash-
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Are John and Linda human?
|> Was the broken glass a fishbowl?
|> 
|> Am I close on either puzzle?
|> 
|> -- Via DLG Pro v0.992
|> 
|> 
	Right on the money.  The other is a variant of one posted in the
massive listing.

	-john 'geez, I thought it would take longer' karakash-
From: Rev_Bud_Bergen@edtng.uwp.edu (Rev Bud Bergen)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:11:39 CST
Organization: Electric Dreams: The Next Generation BBS


In a message dated Sat 12 Sep 92  3:49, Robertw@informix.com (robert Weinbe
wrote:

 RW> Path: cs.uwp.edu!uwm.edu!caen!uunet!sun-barr!olivea!gossip.pyramid.com
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 RW> From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
 RW> Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
 RW> Subject: Re: 20 question stories
 RW> Message-ID: <1992Sep11.193400.8177@informix.com>
 RW> Date: 11 Sep 92 19:34:00 GMT
 RW> References: <Rev_Bud_Bergen.0332@edtng.uwp.edu>
 RW> Sender: news@informix.com (Usenet News)
 RW> Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
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 RW> In article <Rev_Bud_Bergen.0332@edtng.uwp.edu>
 RW> Rev_Bud_Bergen@edtng.uwp.edu (Rev  
 RW> Bud Bergen) writes:
> Or, a person goes ten miles south, ten miles east and ten miles north to
> end up where he started.  What color were the bears?
>  

 RW> White.

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Yes, the bears were white.  Care to explain, or should I?
[B

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From: epp4010@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.P. Pylko)
Subject: Re: redundancy
Originator: epp4010@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:42:26 GMT

In article <laftbjINNau3@aludra.usc.edu> rmurphy@usc.edu (Bob Murphy) writes:
>One can sometimes overhear people use the following phrases:
>
>    ATM machine, HIV virus, PIN number, and LCD display.
>
>These are all redundant.  For example, ATM stands for Automatic
>Teller Machine so why say the word "machine" after ATM?  The others
>are similar.  Can anyone think of other examples of this type of
>redundancy?
>

Well, another one around the country is "TCBY" Yogurt.  For people not
around here, TCBY stands for "The Country's Best Yogurt".


>                             Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)
>

Eric Pylko
From: grue@cs.uq.oz.au (Pauli Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Puzzle 1
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: grue@cs.uq.oz.au

cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) writes:

>Title: Cliff Puzzle 1: Can you beat the numbers game?
>From: cliff@watson.ibm.com

[...]
>The puzzle I saw there can be stated as follows.  In the 10 boxes below,
>write a 10-digit number.  The digit in the first box indicates the total
>number of zeros in the entire number.  The box marked "1" indicates the
>total number of 1's in the number.  The box marked "2" indicates the
>total number of 2's in the number, and so on.  For example, the "3" in
>the box labeled "0" would indicate that there must be exactly three 0's
>in the 10-digit number.
> 
>-------------------------------
>| 0| 1| 2| 3| 4| 5| 6| 7| 8| 9|
>| 3|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>-------------------------------


>Stop And Think

>1. Is there a solution to this problem?  Are there many solutions to this
>problem?

Yes. No.


>2. A more advanced an interesting problem is to continue to
>generate a sequence in a recursive fashion such that each row becomes
>the sequence for the previous.  For example, start with the usual
>0 through 9 digits in row 1:

My program produces the following output:
	0123456789
	6210001000
	no solutions found



Now assuming that my program works as intended, I claim that there is
a unique solution to row 2 and no solution for row 3.  I might look for
solutions given different row 1s if I get time.




        						Pauli

Paul Dale                       | grue@cs.uq.oz.au
Department of Computer Science  | +61 7 365 2445
University of Queensland        |
Australia, 4072                 | Did you know that there are 41 two letter
                                |     words containing the letter 'a'?

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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Puzzle 3 (SPOILER)
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:36:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

If you think about it, the probability that a random n-digit number
has *no* 3' is (8/9)*(9/10)^{n-1}, which rapidly approaches zero
as n -> +oo.  Of course there is the same quantity of numbers
in the two sets (both countably infinite), but the natural density
(which is what is commonly used) of the numbers having no 3s is zero.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:15:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

>2. "He pushed his car to the hotel, and knew he was bankrupt"

	I'm amazed this hasn't been posted yet!  The hotel was
	on, for example, Pennsylvania Avenue, and his net worth
	was considerably less than the M$1400 required. 
        If you don't get it, consider that there's no typo in the above line.

>4. A man, heading towards a field, knows he will die when he
>arrives.  How come?

	Or, he's the pilot of a disabled plane and can't get out,
	i.e. "contemplating the purchase of some agricultural real estate"
	in the words, I think, of Chuck Yeager.

>6. A person goes into the desert, cuts off one arm and
>buries it.
	He believed the folklore about scorpion venom??
	Of course, it does not say "..cuts off HIS arm.."
>

No, I don't have quick answers for the others, except of course for the
whole category of solutions involving ice melting (or CO2 subliming, &c.)
From: chris@peregrine.peregrine.com (Chris Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: word permutations and rotations
Keywords: word permutat rotat
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:32:40 GMT
Reply-To: chris@peregrine (Chris Cole)
Organization: Peregrine Systems, Inc.

In article <baljeual.715533050@uther> baljeual@uther.calvin.edu (Alan Baljeu) writes:
>2. Permutations.  Certain words can be permuted many ways and still produce
>	words.

This puzzle is on the rec.puzzles FAQL (Frequently Asked Questions List).
For an index of the FAQL, send an email letter containing the single line:
send index
to netlib@peregrine.com

The index will be mailed via return email to the address in your
request's "From:" line.  If you are unsure of this address, and cannot
edit this line, then include in your message BEFORE the first "send" line
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return_address <your_return_email_address>

From the FAQL, the answer is:

********
transposition.s
********
   longest reversal  DESSERTS,STRESSED (8)
   longest well-mixed transposal 
    CINEMATOGRAPHER, MEGACHIROPTERAN  (15)
   longest transposition list
    APERS, APRES, ASPER, PARES, PARSE, PEARS, PRASE, PRESA, RAPES, REAPS, SPARE,
    SPEAR (12)
    ANGRIEST, ANGRITES, ASTRINGE, GAIRTENS, GANISTER, GANTRIES, GRANITES,
    INGRATES, RANGIEST, TEARINGS  (10) [SATING(ER), SIGNATE(R), TANGIER(S) (3)]
    ANORETICS, ATROSCINE, CANOTIERS, CERTOSINA, CONARITES, CREATIONS, REACTIONS,
    TRICOSANE (8)

  transposition with deletion, insertion, or substitution 
   longest well-mixed transdeletion 
    SONOLUMINESCENCES, UNECONOMICALNESSES (17/18)
   longest word transdeletable to a single letter
    CONCENTRATIONS-CONSTERNATION-CONTORNIATES-TRANSECTION-
    STENTORIAN-TRANSIENT-ENTRAINS-NASTIER-ASTERN-TEARS-SATE-TEA-AT-A (14)
   longest Baltimore transdeletion (word transdeletable on every letter)
     IDOLATERS: DELATORS, SOTERIAL, DILATERS, ASTEROID,
    STOLIDER, SOREDIAL, DILATORS, DIASTOLE, TAILORED  (9)
   shortest word that cannot be transadded to another word  SYZYGY (6)
   longest well-mixed transubstitution 
    MICROELECTROPHORESIS, SPECTROCOLORIMETRIES (20)
From: M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Keywords: gestalt,assumptions
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:08:42 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

In article <1992Sep7.211814.12821@tamsun.tamu.edu>, daugher@cs.tamu.edu (Walter C. Daugherity) writes:
|> 1. John is sitting near Martha, who lies dead on the floor in a puddle of
|> water surrounded by broken glass.  How did Martha die?

Martha is a fish. Enough of that. 

Perhaps Eve knew all about her harbour? ...... Now that really is cryptic.

|> 
|> 2. A man lives on the 15th floor.  Every morning he rides the elevator to
|> the ground floor and goes to work.  Every evening he takes the elevator to


|> the 12th floor and walks up the stairs to the 15th floor.  Why?

Whats an elevator? How can you ride it?

Mike
From: gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: I need the answer to a common problem
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:22:59 GMT
Reply-To: gt2807a@prism.gatech.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


  I'm sure what I need is in the FAQ for this group, but I don't have a copy
of it.  However, I'm sure many of you know the answer.  I need the answer
to the "Three Guys Getting Over-charged at the Hotel and the Bell Boy Takes
Two of the Five Dollars/Where is the Missing Dollar?" problem. 
  I'd appreciate it if you could e-mail it to me by Wednesday (9/9/92).  

Thanx much,
Ben...

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                   that doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage."
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From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (David Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: oxymorons
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 06:22:02 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
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In article <1992Sep5.151100.6020@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, Bart Goddard writes:

> How about "computer science"    (I _KNOW_ it's really black magic:-))
>           "safe sex"            (isn't very safe)
>           "defensive driving" 
>           "politically correct" (nothings correct about politics)
>           "President Perot"
>    

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From: borbor@divsun.unige.ch (BORIS Borcic)
Subject: Re: redundancy
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:55:19 GMT

In article <laftbjINNau3@aludra.usc.edu>, rmurphy@usc.edu (Bob Murphy) writes:
> One can sometimes overhear people use the following phrases:
> 
>     ATM machine, HIV virus, PIN number, and LCD display.
> 
> These are all redundant.  For example, ATM stands for Automatic
> Teller Machine so why say the word "machine" after ATM?  The others
> are similar.  Can anyone think of other examples of this type of
> redundancy?
> 
>                              Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)


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