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From: ploessldeann@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Garth's fan club--"the believers"
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: bvc.1992Oct14.160942.2331
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Here's a little more Garf bashing for y'all.  Actually, I'm not criticizing 
him.  It's his fan club magazaine, "the believers."  I am sure if anyone 
here on the net was dumb enough like myself to subscribe for $10, you feel 
like you were suckered.  
	The magazine is poorly put together, to begin with.  I sent my dues 
in early June and received my first issue a week ago.  Granted, it's 
supposed to be quarterly, but that issue arrived approx. 2 weeks after I 
sent a letter and complained about no receiving anything.
	The nicest thing about it, to be honest, is the paper its printed 
on.  The first page contained a letter from the editor, Tami Rose, that 
made all these excuses about is being late, and mostly blamed it on the 
postal service.  Needless to say, I was pretty disgusted.  I would think 
for all the money Garth has, and all the attention he receives, he would 
want a higher quality fan magazine to represent him.
	Has anyone else out there has "the believer" experience besides me? 
 I'd love to hear if you share the same views.
	Let this be fair warning to anyone else.  Don't waste the $10.
From: tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Aulfinger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: respect (soapbox alert)
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:58:47 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Folks,

I have been a reader for several months and have resisted posting for a
while.  I almost did during the post cma hysteria, but held off.  I
subscribed to this bboard because I thought it would be informative for
reviews on albums, helpful discussions, and generally be fun.  Most of
it has been; however, I have also noticed a tendency to be spiteful.  I
don't like every artist that comes down the line, but I thought country
fans were more open minded and friendly than some of the comments I've
read here.  

I understand that some people are frustrated because they don't here
what they like on the radio enough--not everyone can have what they want
on at all times. I just hit scan if someone that I don't like comes
on--and I don't attack the "integrity" of those who happen to like it. 
OK, I haven't logged the long years as a country fan and I can't name a
song in two bars, but who cares--I didn't know you needed a stamp of
approval to like music when it speaks to your heart, makes you think,
and smile.  Music styles always goes through these shifts.  Its part of
life and I would hope that we would be big enough to respect others and
their tastes.    

I pulled an all nighter the other night and listened to the radio the
whole time.  I heard some songs that I might not consider strictly
country mixed in with some twang and fun stuff along the way.  It was
not a terribly painful experience to listen to things that I hadn't
really considered before--it was even enlightening and I am planning a
big cd spree for Christmas.

Anyway, if anyone made ti to the end of this--what can I say?  I would
like to think there is room for all kinds of fans it this boat.  I've
certainly expanded my field of appreciation a lot--I even got my yankee
husband to listen :-)  He even likes some of it and likes knowing he has
a steady stream of cds to give me as gifts.

Trace

An Okie stuck in the 'burgh.
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: ddyment@well.sf.ca.us (Doug Dyment)
Subject: Re: Pop/Country/Rock/Whatever
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:40:52 GMT


There's an excellent CD of the Wilburn Brothers available on MCA
(MCAD-25990), called "Retrospective".  Produced by Owen Bradley,
and compiled by Patty Loveless, Teddy Wilburn, and Roger Ramey,
it contains 12 of their better recordings.  Recommended.
-- 
  Doug Dyment = ddyment@well.sf.ca.us = {pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!ddyment
From: robyn@cs.arizona.edu (Robyn Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: The Reverend Garth Brooks
Summary: The Reverend Garth Brooks
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:25:12 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <jhansen.718646360@convex.convex.com>, jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen) writes:
> In <1992Oct8.210031.18443@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
> 
> >Just as I was beginning to think Garth was OK, I just heard "We Shall Be
> >Free."  Sort of a combination of Jaques Cousteau and Martin Luther King,
> >it defies cogent description.  And whatever it may be, Country it ain't.
> 
> But it's a great two-steppin' tune.  What's wrong with country-gospel
> anyway?

Allelujah! Well said! Robyn
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: stuart@brt.com (Stuart Palmer)
Subject: Re: CHIPMUNKS - ACHY-BREAKY HEART
Organization: Berkeley Research and Trading
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:36:19 GMT

I have a copy of the first Chipmunks' country effort, "Urban Chipmunk".
Released by RCA in 1981 it features such classics as:
	The Gambler
	On The Road Again
	Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Chipmunks
	Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song
	(which they sing as "Another Somebody Done Somebody's Song Wrong"
	 just as Pinkard and Bowden did a couple of years ago)

It even came with a poster of Alvin posed just as John Travolta posed
for the Urban Cowboy soundtrack--black hat, leaning againsta a bar with
a _root_beer in his hand.

Stuart
From: slib1660@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re:  Garth hysteria peaked? (was the believers)menu
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:13:54 GMT
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <Bw6JqD.5Ft@Novell.COM>, lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson) writes:
> Garth is at the top of the country and pop charts. Let's remember what  
> "pop" music means. "Pop" stands for popular. Garth is singing music that  
> is popular. Obviously, LOTS of people like Garth no matter what you  
> "label" his music.
> 
> Just my $.02 worth about "Hot New Country," "Country Rock," "Classic  
> Country," or whatever. Like I have said before, just listen to what YOU  
> enjoy.
> 
> lynda
> 
> A music fan.

Very well put, also a (Garth) music fan.
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: The Reverend Garth Brooks
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Oct9.165449.13112
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <23612@optima.cs.arizona.edu> robyn@cs.arizona.edu (Robyn Austin) writes:
>In article <jhansen.718646360@convex.convex.com>, jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen) writes:
>> In <1992Oct8.210031.18443@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>>
>> >Just as I was beginning to think Garth was OK, I just heard "We Shall Be
>> >Free."  Sort of a combination of Jaques Cousteau and Martin Luther King,
>> >it defies cogent description.  And whatever it may be, Country it ain't.
>>
>> But it's a great two-steppin' tune.  What's wrong with country-gospel
>> anyway?
>
>Allelujah! Well said! Robyn


Hey!  If you like it, OK. Nobody said you can't like it, but nobody said I
HAD to like it, either. I think Garth has done some good stuff, just don't
call this piece of Greenpeace/I Have A Dream pandering 'country-gospel.'
The Stamps Quartet are spinning in their graves.  And one other thing:
you can two-step to most rap songs;  that doesn't make them country.  :)

TH
Xref: sparky rec.music.country.western:3668 rec.music.folk:6899
From: wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western,rec.music.folk
Subject: REVIEW: Cheryl Wheeler concerts
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:55:29 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

Review of Cheryl Wheeler Concert at Common Ground Coffee House Oct 1, 1992

Warning:  This review is biased.  Cheryl Wheeler (IMHO) is one of the
best singer-songwriters alive today.  She gave two performances at the
Common Ground Coffee House in Bryn Athyn, PA.  My wife and I enjoyed
them both.  I can't say it enough:  if you ever get a chance to see her,
don't miss it!  You will be glad you went.  Cheryl can have you laughing
at a funny introduction and wiping a tear away at the end of the song.

Cheryl started off both sets by telling about the car accident she was
in.  Not many people can turn a serious accident into a funny story, but
she succeeded.  Furthermore, she told it differently each time, so the
second telling was just as funny as the first. 

She also did the same opening song.  For the first set, she said she was
going to open with a song she never opened with.  For the second set,
she switched to a nasal voice and said she wanted to show those who were
staying through both sets how boring it would be.

Cheryl is working on a new album. She mentioned that it was in the same
studio, and with the same person as her first album.  When I checked the
booklet from her first CD, I noticed that singing backup was John
Jennings and Mary-Chapin Carpenter!  She mentioned that she had recorded
nine songs already, and that she was very happy with the way things were
going.

As some of you may know, Cheryl seldom announces the name of a song.
Often, she tells a funny story to introduce it.  Also, she has a number
(too many) of songs that she sings but aren't recorded.  So in the list
below there are some descriptions rather than song titles.  She did
point out which of the songs that were on the new album.  They are
marked with an (*).  I tried to remember what she did, but I was busy
listening; I am sure I missed a few.

First Set:

Northern Girl
Pennsylvania Town (*)
Act of Nature (*) - about two people alone together after Hurricane Andrew.
Estate Sale
Fall in Love
About a couple who have been married for a long time and hate each other.
Cow Patterned Clothes
Arrow (encore)

Second Set:

Northern Girl
George and the Shriners
Don't Forget the Guns (*)
In the Year of the Yellow Cab (about her dad)
Short song about a flea-bag motel in Ohio (she never performs this :^)
Slipping Further and Further Away
Little Kids
Quarter Moon (encore)

(*) will be on the new album
============================================================================
Bill Pringle                      Software Tools
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: The Reverend Garth Brooks (Part II)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:44:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Oct12.144427.4594
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Oct12.090624.10441@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01jametzger@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.210814.18643@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>>
>>
>> Just as I hit the 'send' button I realized who this song is perfect for.
>>
>> JOHN DENVER!!! (He may have even written it;  sounds like it.)
>>
>> T.
>
>	You aren't too familiar with John Denver and his type of music are
>you?


You mean JD music like that enviromental pseudo-anthem about Calypso, or
maybe the "more people, more scars upon the land" approach in "Rocky
Mountain High."  Or did you mean his rendition of "Let It Be?"  Yeah,
I'm familiar with John Denver and his type of music.

Remember when JD was voted Entertainer of the Year and Charlie Rich set
fire to the announcement?   :)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: djohna@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (John Ackerman 3568)
Subject: Re: Morals??? "Jesus and Mama Always Loved Me"?
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:52:48 GMT

  ...and I turned out to be
 
      the only hell my Mama

                   ever raised...
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Pure Country
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:45:37 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Adams Software, Lake Oswego OR  USA

In article <1992Oct13.090249.18992@walter.cray.com>, cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz 66442) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> This posting might be slightly out of place here, but....
|> 
|> Does anyone on the net know anything about the movie "PURE COUNTRY"?
|> 
|> I understand that George Strait is to make his acting debut in this
|> film.  Does he have a leading role or a minor one?  Also, is the
|> film about country music as the name would seem to imply, or not?
|> I've heard several cuts from George's soundtrack album, but that is
|> about as much as I've heard about this film.  If anyone has any
|> info on it, I'd sure like to hear it.  Thanks.
|> 
|> Charlie Betz
|> cbetz@romulus.cray.com

I have seen previews on TV.  From what I can gather from the previews,
George is the star, and he is trying to follow his dream.  Not sure what
his dream is - maybe being a country singer?

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: ellis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (June Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Garth hysteria peaked? (was the believers)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:53:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6Koq.Ct4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <Oct15.021252.80060@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> 
kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:

>After hearing Garth's latest song, I came to a startling conclusion. I think
>Garth mania might begin to fade. Why? Because his the song quality has
>declined! 
  <stuff deleted>
>Personally, I'm not pure "cry in your beer" country myself, but I can
>recognize when someone is going too far. And I think this is the point
>the Garth-bashers have been trying to make all along.....

I couldn't agree with you more.  I really liked his early Texas-swingy  
and very country "Much Too Young" and "Not Counting You."  But I started to 
lose respect for him after he started releasing all those pop-sounding 
singles and taking himself soooo seriously.  Makes me wonder if he was really 
genuine country to begin with, or just using it to get a foothold.

June
From: cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz 66442)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Pure Country
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:02:49 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.



This posting might be slightly out of place here, but....

Does anyone on the net know anything about the movie "PURE COUNTRY"?

I understand that George Strait is to make his acting debut in this
film.  Does he have a leading role or a minor one?  Also, is the
film about country music as the name would seem to imply, or not?
I've heard several cuts from George's soundtrack album, but that is
about as much as I've heard about this film.  If anyone has any
info on it, I'd sure like to hear it.  Thanks.

Charlie Betz
cbetz@romulus.cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: geffy@access.digex.com (Geff King)
Subject: Re: Morals??? "Jesus and Mama Always Loved Me"?
Keywords: Unaussprechlichen
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.135105.14676@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu
(K.J. Cater) writes:

>Got tired of waiting,
>so I stole one".
>
>What's the meaning of this?  Is this meant to be glorifying
>car theft?  Flame me if you want, but isn't this
>going a little bit TOO far????
>
Reminds me of two other tunes:

"Mama tried to stop me short of stealin';
Guess that's why I had to steal that car...."
(Johnny Paycheck, "Only Hell My Mama Ever Raised")

and

"I turned 21 in prison doin' life without parole...."
(Merle Haggard, "Mama Tried")

So ya see, there is some precedent. There's also a John Hiatt tune
(he was on the second "Will the Circle Be Unbroken Album") called
"Tennessee Plates", where a guy and his girlfriend go to Graceland
and steal one of Elvis' Cadillacs ("Anyway he wouldn't care/Hell,
he gave 'em to his friends..") They used it in Thelma & Louise.

Hell, it's either that or drivin' your semi through a motel room wall,
like Garth did....:-)

P.S. Disclaimer: I'm not the band member Archie Warnock's talking about.

Not on cover tunes, anyway...<Grin>
+--Geff King--Librarian by Day/Bass by Night--mail geffy@digex.com--+
|     "Nobody told me. That don't mean nobody told anybody;         |
|      that just means nobody told me."   --Freddy Fender           |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: ellis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (June Ellis)
Subject: Re: Country Songs you Love to Hate
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:48:21 GMT
Keywords: Unaussprechlichen

I think almost all of today's country singers can handle traditional country if
they choose to.  The point is that they are increasingly choosing not to.  I 
once read a quote from Reba saying in effect that she would love to sing all 
traditional country but that it didn't market like her more pop-style albums.  
I read another quote by Jimmy Bowen, who runs Liberty Records, saying
traditional country "deserves to be diluted" because it has never sold 
particularly well.  And it looks like he is having his way.  If you compare the
debut Garth Brooks and Suzy Bogguss albums on Capitol (now Liberty) to what 
they have put out lately you can hear the change.  Both debuts (which I think 
came out before Bowen showed up) are more traditional, and IMHO better, than 
anything else they have done, even if these albums aren't their best sellers.

So I don't necessarily think it is the artists who "are or aren't country" as 
much as it is the record labels.  They are just trying to make a buck, and 
you can't really blame them since that is why they are in business.  But it is 
still disheartening to listen to a great art form like traditional country 
begin to gradually fade into the background again, a victim of what markets 
and what doesn't.

And with that I will get down off my traditionalist soapbox. :-)

June
From: ellis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (June Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: New Alan Jackson CD (for Alan's fans only)
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:06:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8r2H.9zt
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <Bw8I5F.F36@Novell.COM> lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson) writes:

>I bought the new Alan Jackson CD last week and I just have to say I love  
>it.
  <stuff deleted>
>Feel free to flame or applaud my review. I am feeling tough this week. 

>lyndap@novell.com
>lynda peterson


Applaud.  Standing ovation.  I think Alan Jackson is one of the best 
songwriters in country music today, and he's a pretty darn good singer, too.  
Most of all he has honesty, integrity and BELIEVABILITY.

June
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Subject: Morals??? "Jesus and Mama Always Loved Me"?
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:51:05 GMT

Heard this on the radio this morning and couldn't believe it was
a country and western song.  Normally, country songs are rather
conservative in morals, but I had to object in stunned silence when
I heard the first verse:
"made a wish upon a star,
That I could get a brand-new car,
Got tired of waiting,
so I stole one".

What's the meaning of this?  Is this meant to be glorifying
car theft?  Flame me if you want, but isn't this
going a little bit TOO far????

What do readers think of this one???


Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: The Reverend Garth Brooks
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:00:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Just as I was beginning to think Garth was OK, I just heard "We Shall Be
Free."  Sort of a combination of Jaques Cousteau and Martin Luther King,
it defies cogent description.  And whatever it may be, Country it ain't.
The song might be right for Sinead O'Connor or possibly Paul Simon, but
somebody is giving Garth some bad advice.


TH
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: Arvo Part (review of ARBOS)
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:32:46 GMT

I finally got a CD of Arvo Parts ARBOS. When ever I think of modern compositions
with early-music roots A. Part comes to mind. He is an Estonian whose music
is greatly influenced by the Eastern Church. Whether or not it is liturgical,
it is concerned with the numinous. I would say his work is highly 
stylized. The melodic lines consist of stepwise movement around static
points, which evolve with a rigid continuity, growing in power. The Hillard
Ensemble provide a deep, full sound over which a cavernous chant is laid.

I have tried to listen to this wonderful CD in the summer, and it felt totaly
alien. On a dark, cold night of a Canadian winter in a candle lit room it
provides a warmth and atmosphere that is  sublime. 

David
From: QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE: Arvo Part (review of ARBOS)
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: GONZAGA.01GPTMGOW5AO000BGM
X-VMS-Cc: QUINN
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I got hold of Arvo Part's _Miserere_ recently.  The jacket blurb said
(among other things) that it transcended any effort to categorize (or
something to that effect) -- but it seemed pretty straightforward
to me, a blend of neo-renaissance and minimalist styles.  The ten
minutes of an unaccompanied hand drum droning very subtle variations
of the same rythm over and over, interrrupted with a lush choral
piece that evoked renaissance polyphony in decidedly modern tonalities
is amazing.  I listened to it while walking 3 miles through city
traffic -- as David said, not at all an appropriate setting.
 
I haven't heard ARBOS yet, but if any of this sounds enticing, _Miserere_
is definitely worth a listen.
 
James Quinn
Quinn@Gonzaga.Bitnet
 
GLOSSARY:
interrrupted . . . interrupted
rythm . . . rhythm
etc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mike W. Burger)
Subject: Recorder timbre
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:32:55 GMT


	I have been experimenting with learning the recorder for
several months now.  I have been using an advanced electronic
music synthesizer as a practice partner and that is going extremely
well.
	The problem is the timbre of the plastic recorders I have
been trying.  My favorite so far is the Aulos 511 Tenor.  I really
like the pitch of the tenor.  I am probably suffering from my
experience as a flute player.
	My collection of "high quality" plastic recorders all
basically sound like a comb with waxed paper over it, especially
on the bottom five notes.  I have chased this buzz around.  Research
in the literature suggests it is the product of the reverse conical
bore and the very high and rectangular walls of the top joint opening.
I have a soprano Aulos 105 that has a flared out top joint opening
and gives a rounder, more flute like tone with much less of the
rasping edge that I am having trouble getting used to.
	I am finding that as I diligently practice and focus on
breath pressure and attack, I am getting a fuller more rounded
tone from the Aulos 511.
	I would appreciate any comments.  Is this buzzing sound
a desired characteristic of late Baroque recorders?  Are there
recorders with a more flute like rounded smooth tone?  Could
you suggest a brand or style of recorder that I might relate
to better, or should I learn to appreciate the blend of
1/2 flute and 1/2 kazoo?   Is this what is diplomatically
described in the catalogs as "a reedy sound"?  Thanks in advance

mike@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu