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From: bachww@rtsg.mot.com (Bud Bach)
Subject: Emacs for NeXT
Reply-To: bachww@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:36:03 GMT

Is there a more "native" (i.e. with mouse support) emacs for the NeXT
other than /usr/bin/emacs?  I know I could use "Edit" but it seems
rather limited WRT raw text processing when compared to GNU Emacs.

-- Bud

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From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: What do we lose with NeXTStep 3.0?
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:36:15 GMT

In article <4634@news.duke.edu> kdb@work5 (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
>  However, what will we lose when upgrading
> to 3.0.  According to NeXT we will lost the DSP development tools, the music
> kit, and maybe some other demos.  Any guesses as to whether these will work
> if transferred to a 3.0 environment?  Are there any less abovious things
> that we might be losing.  Calls to NeXT have not been very helpful.
> Inquiring minds want to know.

You don't necessarily *lose* anything.  Things that are not part of the 3.0  
release (e.g., Icon, DSP stuff) are -by default- deleted as part of the upgrade  
process.  However, it is very friendly about it, and you can search through the  
list of changes and tell it NOT to delete stuff.

The main thing you utterly lose is compatibilty *with NeXTstep 1.0*.  That is,  
the interim-compatiblity that 2.0 provided (e.g., self = [super new]  
everywhere) for 1.0 will not be in 3.0.  This can get you if you have really  
old software. It didn't affect anything I have, though, so there probably isn't  
much common software out there which is still 1.0 (NX_VOID comes to mind :-).

NeXTSTEP 3.0 is assuredly one of the least painful releases I have ever heard  
people talk about it.  Now if only they finally ship the darn thing...

- Ernie P.
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CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
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From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Mac in a window
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:00:33 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science

I am thinking of purchasing a PowerBook (no flames please!).  I
would like to hook it up to my NeXT.  I remember reading somewhere
(a very long time ago) that it is possible to have the Mac
window up on the NeXT screen, provided the mac is on a LAN.
I would also like to use the NeXT as a print server. I would
only be using the two computers (NeXT and PB) on this 
simplified LAN. I realize that I will have to buy a SCSI based
e-net connector in order to get the ball rolling.  What will I
need on the NeXT side?

David
dleon@seas.smu.edu
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From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: Kernel patches continued... (Was: Ramdisk coming for NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:25:47 GMT

Uwe Meyer-Gruhl writes
> Alright. Now I'm going to locate my asbestos suit and wait for the
> flames against my "most longish and useless posting ever".

Not at all. Everything about the kernel is always interesting. Maybe I'll even  
clean up my kernel-mangling pty spy command enough to post it.

BTW, how are things in muenchen these days ? :-)

	Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: kenny_leung@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung)
Subject: Re: Anyone have opinions on NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors?
Reply-To: kenny_leung@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:19:04 GMT

In article <4561@news.duke.edu> kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker)  
writes:
> I'm about to buy a color NeXTStation but cannot decide between the 2  
color
> monitors that NeXT offers.  I know that the 17" monitor is made in Italy 
> by Philips and the 21" monitor is made in Japan by Hitachi.  Does anyone
> have any information, opinion, or experience with these monitors that  
they
> would share with me?  I've read posts of various problems with the 17"  
but
> I guess that far fewer people actually use the 21".  Thanks for any info
> you can give.
> 
> Kurt D. Bollacker   
> Duke University Medical Center
> kdb@dukebar.mc.duke.edu

From what I've seen, the 21inch monitor offers a better picture. (better  
color, no moire patterns).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mwhhlaw!tim (Timothy E. Hollingsworth)
Subject: Re: NeXT 400 dpi laser printer & envelopes
Reply-To: uunet!mwhhlaw!tim
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.023906.27253@nmsu.edu> rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph  
Good) writes:
> 
> is it possible to put an envelope through the manual paper feed in the NeXT  
> laser printer?  Anybody out there tried it?
> 
	We do all the time.  We use a WordPerfect macro to take a selected  
inside address from a letter, open a file document which already has our return  
address, and paste the inside address on the envelope.  The envelope is then  
printed "manual."  The printers are picky about feeding the envelopes.  We have  
had better luck with cheaper (slicker) paper.

	If you want the macro, let me know by email.
--
Tim Hollingsworth
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Subject: Re: Printing on Macs and NeXTs
    <1992Aug19.163330.8809@dtint.uucp>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:25:28 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

nevin@dtint.dtint.com writes:

>I am running NeXTSTEP 3.0 Beta here at work.  We have a large number  
>Macintosh's also on the net, as well as a number of printers that are  
>being used by the Macintosh's.  All of those printers are directly  
>accessable to me via the net with NeXTSTEP 3.0.  So, as a test....

>I printed a fairly complex postscript image to: (1) a LaserWriter Plus,  
>(2) a LaserWriter IINTX, (3) a Varityper VT-600 (true 600 DPI--not some  
>LED-pulse simulation on a 300 DPI engine), and (4) the NeXT Laser.

>The result: the NeXT laser output quality stomped everybody but the  
>Varityper.  Interestingly enough, some people thought the NeXT output  
>looked as good or better than the Varityper.

>Oh, and the performance results: the NeXT laser printer stomped everybody.

>So, anybody that says ANY of the Apple laser printers are comparable to  
>the NeXT just doesn't know what their talking about in my opinion.

You're right. You don't know what you're talking about.
As  mentioned in the previous article, the IIf and IIg don't simulate
600dpi. That's incorrect. They sharpen the text and simulate 67 levels 
of gray (quite nicely.. MUCH better then PostScript alone). The quality
on a IIg (images and text) is much better then what I get out of my 400dpi
NeXT printer.. And these are networkable/workgroup printers. It's totally
outrageous to use an LW Plus AND even a IINTX, because these are old
(discontinued) printers with older engines, older controllers.. Older
everything. 
I have actually printed full-page images(which look better then from the
NeXT printer) on a IIg on Ethernet (and an Ethernet Mac) and have it pop out
of the IIg before it comes out of a 16MB NeXT.. Of course, printing to
the IIg (ANYONE printing to the IIg) doesn't slow anyone down at all, like
it would when printed to a NeXTprinter.

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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Call for junk mail.
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:33:28 GMT

In article <colo.36@odie.ee.wits.ac.za> colo@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Illan  
Colombick) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.210027.12265@terminator.cc.umich.edu> hubt@umich.edu  
(Hubert Chen) writes:
> >I'd like to see those display postscript hacks too
> Me too, why aren't they on sonata (or are they)?

Nobody's submitted them, and I don't get out much. :-)  If
they're submitted, they'll be there.  Else they'll be
there whenever I get around to it (maybe December). 

Allen B (He's serious, but that was meant to be humorous)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: vhs@darkcube.radig.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: A "tree" command?
Reply-To: vhs@darkcube.radig.de
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 11:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.114203.12191@darkcube.radig.de> vhs@darkcube.radig.de  
(Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
> In article <BssECp.6LM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>  
shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu  
> (Sam Hulick) writes:
> > 
> > I'm looking for an MS-DOS-like "tree" command that will show all the
> > directories and files in a graphical representation.  Is there a UNIX  
command
> > that will do this, or is there a 'Tree.app' or something of the like that  
is
> > NeXT-specific and has a better display?  Either is fine.  Thanks.
> 
> Try one of the following shell scripts:

[scripts deleted]

Whoops! Sorry to followup on my own post. Should have thought first.
Thes shell scripts posted aren't NeXT-specific and don't have a real graphical
output. They just build an ASCII-graphical tree of some sort.
Example:
212 /vhs % tree Library
Library
Bookshelves
NewsGrazer
|--------NewsFolders
|--------comp
|        |--------arch
|        |--------sys
|        |        |--------next
|        |        |        |--------sysadmin
|        |        |        |--------announce
|        |        |        |--------misc
|        |        |        |--------advocacy
|        |        |        |--------software
|        |        |        |--------programmer
|        |        |        |--------hardware
|        |        |--------sgi
...
...
...

--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de)

Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any
given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence.
See also: MS-DOS, Windows, IBM-PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Coffee_Junkie)
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:14:12 GMT

prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes:

[ lots of stuff deleted ]

I've one question for all the folks that have the answers to all
NeXT's (and every other hardware/software companies) problems:

Where are your companies?

'Nough said.
-- 
Tim McClarren     | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
(217)244-0015     |
From: brooksj@terminus.umd.edu (Joanne Brooks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Looking for FAX drivers
Keywords: faxes
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:11:27 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, Dept. of Good Guys and Cool Stuff


I know this has probably been beat to death, but I am (soon) going to be
getting my ZyXEL, and receiving faxes is an absolute *must* for a
project I'm working on, so what's the current status of receiving faxes
on this puppy?  If there are updated drivers, or any other info out there,
can someone point the way?


later daze...
jojo
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software
From: ctika01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (George Kampis)
Subject: help on ShowAndTell etc
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:10:01 GMT

I am relatively new to NeXT and would like to make a demo using
things like ShowAndTell and Video etc. (I am on a NeXTCube/
NeXTDimension). For the former, I have no idea how to use it, and
the other is not completely under control either.

Could anyone help with instructions or a text file? I didnt find any
on the net (purdue etc..).

Thanks.
George Kampis
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Stripping apps (was Re: Missile Command and Other Submissions)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:21:23 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <2A9426EC.49D4@deneva.sdd.trw.com> kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert  
Kieffer) writes:
> 
> Strip the executables, too!  MCommand.tar.Z has contains a 500K binary  
> that strips down to 50K.

Holy Toledo! Emacs 2.0 stripped from 722314 down to 81920!
Can this be ok?  What have I lost?  Have I damaged it?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:43:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.204351.178605@lexmark.com> songer@lexmark.com  
(Christopher Songer) writes:
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
> >
> >Given the choice, I would have had NeXT make separate
> >(later) releases of the new packages (dbkit, 3D stuff,
> >etc) and just work on getting the stable base release out
> >on time. 
> >
> 
> I'd have to agree with this. My current assumption is that 3.0 is likely
> to be pretty unstable -- I think I'm going to wait for 3.1. If this does
> in fact come to pass (I'd like to be wrong) then Next seems to be making 
> a habit of this. (I'm sure everyone recalls how stable 2.0 was :) Next
> has great software, but the base has to be stable for it to be usable.
> 
> Anyway,
> -Chris

I am running the 3.0 Beta.  It is very stable, and I would never go back  
to my 2.1 system, even if the 3.0 Beta was the FINAL release.

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From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone have opinions on NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors?
Keywords: monitor
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:14:08 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University - Univ. Computing Services

In article <1992Aug17.031029.24849@tamsun.tamu.edu> steve@math.tamu.edu (Steve  
Johnson) writes:
> kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
> > I'm about to buy a color NeXTStation but cannot decide between the 2 color
> > monitors that NeXT offers...
> 
> I've been placed in front of both the 17" and 21". After about 10-15 minutes,
> I found it very difficult to continue.  The colors seem washed out, and
> the curvature of both screens was quite noticeable. IMHO, NeXT is doesn't
> seem to take color seriously; if they did, there would be a trinitron
> offering.  On the other hand, I think the NeXT mono (gray) is very nice,
> although it could use an anti-glare coating.
> 
> My advice:
> a.) Buy the color station, but get the monitor elsewhere.
> OR
> b.) Don't buy a NeXT, and learn to live with X :-|
>     I'm satisfied w/ nearly every other competitor, when it comes to color.
> 
> Standard disclaimers apply.
> - Steve Johnson, Systems Manager, Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
>   Steve.Johnson@math.tamu.edu

I work on the 17" color monitor every day.  It works for me with NeXTSTEP and  
X-windows in color!  It looks even better under NeXTSTEP 3.0.  Sure there is a  
difference between the 17" and 21" monitors and they are not Sony but they are  
not unuseable.  The monitor issue is an old topic here.  The consensus is that  
the 21" is better than the 17" and NeXT needs to pay better attention to the  
issue of color monitors.  There is no need to advise someone to purchase a  
non-NeXT system because the monitors do not live up to your expectations of  
perfection.  The NeXT color system is liveable but not flawless.  The choices  
are to buy a 17", 21", or a third party monitor.

I've seen the 17" and the 21" monitor.  I like and recommend the 21" monitor if  
people have the extra $1000 or more to spend other wise the 17" monitor will  
get the job done.  Third party monitors would work if you can find a vendor who  
supports the NeXT.

Tim Pugh
Oregon State University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware
From: woo@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo RAA)
Subject: Help needed with mixed 1 and 4 MB SIMMS
Summary: 25MHz NeXTstation doesn't recognize 4MB SIMMS
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:14:32 GMT


According to the FAQ, it appeared that I could upgrade my
25MHz NeXTStation by replacing banks 0-3 of SAMSUNG KMM581000A-10
SIMMS with Goldstar 4x8 60ns SIMMS.  Unfortunately, my
machine doesn't recognize these and reports mixed memory
and then claims that banks 0-3 are unpopulated.  Any clues?

Would it work if I removed the rest of the SAMSUNG's and used
memory which was all 60ns.  Seems strange that the memory won't
respond to the slower refresh rate.

Alex
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From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NeXT Sales figures
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.084952.3379@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave  
Griffiths) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.161439.7358@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:
> >NeXT has never published unit sales figures. 1991 revenue was $127  
> >million.
> >
> 
> Yes they have, which is why I asked the question. I came across an
> announcement back in April 1991 of their unit sales for Q1 91 - 8000.

That included 040 upgrade boards, so it is not really unit sales.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: taylor@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Victor Taylor)
Subject: L.SYS and info needed for Supra V.32bis and PSI link
Summary: Need help configuring Supra V.32bis for UUCP link to PSI.
Keywords: Supra L.SYS PSI 
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:20:42 GMT

Hi,
  I'm looking for UUCP configuration information for a
Supra V.32bis modem connected to a slab running 2.1.  Any and
all help will be GREATLY appreciated.  In particular, info
about the L.SYS, REMOTE, and other files is needed to complete
our installation.  Our Internet mail gateway is being handled
by PSI and so far, they haven't been able to help us get it up
and running.

 Any information will be summarized and posted to the net.

Thanks,

Victor Taylor

A
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: What do we lose with NeXTStep 3.0?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:25:50 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Since ya'll are talking about 3.0; how do you tell it not to delete something
and what needs to reside on the hard disc from the CD-ROM to boot up?  
Can we boot from CD-ROM?

maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Reply-To: mckelvey@fafnir.com
Organization: Fafnir Software, Saugus, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:20:46 GMT

> > I'd have to agree with this. My current assumption is that 3.0 is likely
> > to be pretty unstable -- I think I'm going to wait for 3.1.
> 
> I am running the 3.0 Beta.  It is very stable, and I would never go back  
> to my 2.1 system, even if the 3.0 Beta was the FINAL release.
> 

Stable?  Yeah, it's pretty stable when the cursor disappears and everything  
locks up permanently until you reboot.  Extremely stable.


     Jim McKelvey      mckelvey@fafnir.com

-- 
A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes, but to get in
accord with them; they are legitimately what directs his conduct
in the world. - Sigmund Freud
Jim McKelvey                      mckelvey@fafnir.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pan@dearth.media.mit.edu (Howard Pan)
Subject: SIMMS
Reply-To: pan@athena.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:28:42 GMT


Hi,

How do I know if my SIMMS are parity or non-parity SIMMS. These are SIMMS  
that came with my NeXTstation from NeXT (1 MB). I tried to use the ROM  
monitor, but I didn't find anything in the FAQ that described how to tell  
if it was a parity or non-parity SIMM. Thanks.
--


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Internet: pan@athena.mit.edu
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Cambridge MA 02139 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Back to School Specials redux
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:40:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt2zFs.C7z.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon



I know this has been brought up before...

I'm currently considering upgrading to a color system so I'm on the look-
out for any sort of Back-To-School specials NeXT might have in store for
us this fall.  Anyone heard anything?

-anwar
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anwar+@cs.cmu.edu  (NeXTmail welcome)    School of Computer Science
Voice: +1 412 268 3043                   Carnegie-Mellon University
Fax:   +1 412 681 5739                   Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890