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From: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person )
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: TALKING software
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:11:26 GMT
Reply-To: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person )
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24122

I'd like to make a few points about this thing.
1.  This announcement says a lot without saying anything.  What does
this thing do speciffically?

2.  Why does it run on so manny platofrms?   A Mac, A NeXT, an SGI,
CP/M. C'mon.  I'll believe it runs on ONE platform, not 8 or 9.

3. What is digitized speech data?  Digitized phonetic speech, maybe?
Possible, but the techniques for doing that are different enough
across each of the listed platforms it supposedly  runs on that I
doubt it runs on any of them very well. If at all.

4.  What do I get for my $$$?  It is real vague about what I actually
*get*.

5.  If anyone actually has this, I'd like to hear about it.  I could
be wrong, but this just seems too vague to be anything tangible. And
looks more like a scheme to get money out of people who probably can't
afford to spend it.

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From: Patricia.Bregman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Patricia Bregman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Government rejects oregon
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: Patricia.Bregman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL
X-Fidonet: Able News Conference

Index Number: 24382

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

JC>The point is, if we don't solve the problem of returning to a policy of
  >economic growth, we will never solve the health care problem.  Cost
  >containment will never work at all -- it will just kill people.

        Actually, there are a number of health care researchers who
        think that cost containment may save lives - because fewer risky
        procedures will be done.

        Whether or not that is true, I agree that cost containment per
        se should not drive health care. I was very disturbed to see a
        piece on one fo the national networks in the US talking about
        comparative shopping for doctors - putting up signs saying
        how much each charges so you can choose your doctor and tests by
        price. They compared it to a mechanic - eg. if you can't afford
        an oil change you just get gas.  What they didn't discuss was
        giving you the information to choose GOOD physicians, based on
        quality.

        However, I also think that cost containment is an important part
        of health care.  There is little question that in the US
        administrative costs are high. In both Canada and the US the
        cost of drugs is skyrocketing well beyond inflation.  Simply
        having economic growth isn't going to change the fact that
        proportionately, the amount of money spent on health care has
        grown - it will grow again.

        The trick is to make cost containment a quality issue - what
        services are we getting that are not necessary or are harmful,
        etc.

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From: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Nobrega)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: slimware window bridg
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:35:13 GMT
Reply-To: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.0 - Vision, Ottawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24168

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

>maybe there is no need for syntha-voice. i don't know if you realise it
keith, window bridge is a breakethrough  and blind people should be
proud that it was developped by a firm that has a blind person as
president. again, i say that such remarks as yours are sad, and do not
do anything for the cause of the blind. when one of us does something
good or should i say great, it should be recognized as such and
encouraged. it is unfortunate that our community tends to knock each
other down when there is so much energy and resources to build whatever
 we need. take care ,
paul

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From: spgreg@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Macrae)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: WANTED: Advice re: airline wheelchair practices
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:20:19 GMT
Reply-To: spgreg@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Macrae)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 24263

In a message of <Aug 11 15:30>, David Claytor (1:141/420) writes:

>Subject line says it all.  On earlier experiences, I have
>transferred to a boarding chair at the gate and my E&J was
>collapsed and taken to the hold.  Now, however, I'm using a rigid
>frame Quickie.
>
>Any advice/warning/recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
>The flight is on United: Detroit<-->Denver.  My experience with
>United and my old E&J was terrific and worry-free, but I'm worried
>about my Quickie.

I recently made a trip with four other wheelchair users.  Three had
rigid wheelchairs.  There was no problem stowing them in the forward
baggage.  A good point was made by someone else, remove everything that
isn't rigidly attached.  Remember, it is not paranoia if they really are
out to get you...

MacRae
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From: d3a132@pnlg.pnl.gov (Carl Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Wheelchair
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:42:53 GMT
Reply-To: d3a132@pnlg.pnl.gov (Carl Baker)
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

Index Number: 23977

The president of our local community college recently spent the day
in a chair (he's a TAB, as am I).  I don't think that anyone with
a grain of sensitivity is going to be upset by a TAB running around
in a wheelchair (oops, that'll probably offend someone).

The episode in the store was very funny.  As long as you keep
your sense of humor you'll be all right.

I love it - TAB - Temporarily Able Bodied - that's me! :-)

-- carl

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Low cost ocr system
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:34:01 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24164

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Sorry, I am not familiar with the Microtech scanner you mentioned.
I have heard that Microtech scanners are very good.  I chose the
Panasonic 506 myself because it had better true resolution than the
HP Scan Jet and, like the Microtech you mentioned, it has the
ability to scan legal length documents.

As to the quality of Discover 386 software I only know what I am
told by others who have used it, and everyone I know who has tried
it was well satisfied.  WHAT YOU MUST REMEMBER IS THAT WITH THE
Discover software you will not get the immediate reading back of
the file like you do with Arkenstone, Oscar, and Recognita.  D. T.

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From: Ron.Denis@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Denis)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:30:30 GMT
Reply-To: Ron.Denis@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24151

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

For whatever it's worth, I want to kick in my 2 cents here.  I
readily concede that the Braille n speak costs too much.  However,
it does a lot in a small package, takes braille input of both grade
2 and computer braille, and makes a great PIM as well as
notetaker.  It also doubles as a syhthesizer in a pinch and can
communicate wit a bbs.  I have two computers, one a notebook, and
still use my BNS all the time.  For many things the BNS is faster
than loading the program I want and running it on my notebook.  As
I always have program resume on, I usually have to exit whatever I
was working on and then find my way back to it.  With BNS,  I can
switch files and come back to where I left off.  I think that if
people don't like a product they should say so, but this horse has
been beaten to death and revivified for reexecution.  This topic
has devolved to the point where I am getting great info for
personality profiles but very little useful info about anything
else.  So:  some folks like BNS, some like notebooks, some like
both, and some can't stand the variance.  Couldn't we
let it rest a month or two?

Ron

"So many clocks, so little time."

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From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: conventions
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:42:20 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24186

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to Bill Burgess <07 Aug 92 12:19> Tandy Way wrote:

 TW> I don't know what the figures are both groups claim around
 TW> two to three thousand people in attendance. I don't think
 TW> it is that nhigh.

Hello, Tandy and Bill!

The actual registration, if I remember correctly, at last year's NFB
convention in New Orleans was 2760.  This year's registration in
Charlotte was a little over 2500.

Unlike ACB, NFB does not have advance registration.

Cheers!

Mike Freeman
___ CRR QWK 1.40

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From: Richard.Womer@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Womer)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Visitor needed
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:12:00 GMT
Reply-To: Richard.Womer@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference

Index Number: 24233

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

I'm looking for a well-adjusted woman with a hip disarticulation or
hemipelvectomy to visit a 14-yr-old girl facing a hemipelvectomy.
Means of walking (crutches or prosthesis) irrelevant.  We're in Philly,
and can reimburse travel expenses from NYC, or DC. Please leave me a
message (1) here, or (2) on CompuServe mail (72560,550), or (3) phone me
at (215) 590-2229.

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From: Mike.Adams@f10.n19.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Adams)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Reasonable Accommodat
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Adams@f10.n19.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/10 - Majik Shoppe BBS, Altus OK
X-Fidonet: Able News Conference

Index Number: 24384

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

CS>Its like working at McDonalds and finding I cant be a cashier any
CS>longer because I cant deal with customers.  McDonalds is not
CS>obligated to move me 'making frenchfries' instead.

Interesting analogy.

CS>ADA only deals with disability as in handicap.

That was my impression as well, but since the law is new, I thought
it might be a good idea to see how those who knew more about it than
I perceived the situation.  There have been some details I've left
out of this case history because they were peripheral to the issue
in my opinion, but the basics are as I've presented them.  I still
tend to believe that unless there has been documented evidence of
disability, it's a little murky calling upon ADA for guidance.

Thanks for your input.

 * SLMR 2.1 *

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From: Ed.Price@p0.f109.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Price)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Cued Speech
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:20:46 GMT
Reply-To: Ed.Price@p0.f109.n382.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/109.0 - The Back Counter, Cedar Park TX
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 24136

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi All!
  I don't know if this is going to start another argument over one
language being better than the other, but I'm really curious.
  In the Monday edition of our local paper (Austin Am. Statesman) there
is a large article about "Cued Speech".  I was wondering if it would be
to my advantage to start learning this different sign technique, or will
it be another "Passing Phase"?
  Oh, by the way, I am hearing.  A Police Officer in Austin,TX. and I
volunteer my time to work in the school "Mentor" program where I deal
with all levels of hearing impaired students.  I have a limited
knowledge (But continuously growing!) of A.S.L. and am concerned that now
I'll have to add to my confusion by learning "Cued Speech".
  And one more thing, for reference, I got involved in this program,
with the consequent learning of "Sign", because I LOVE KIDS!   Not some
curiosity! (Off Soapbox Mode...)

  Anyway, anything y'all can offer might help my confusion,
Thanx in advance

Ed Price

... sysop ('sih sop) n. - the guy laughing at your typing
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From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: "Blind Loyalty"
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:40:19 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24180

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to Jamal Mazrui <30 Jul 92 10:33> Darrell Shandrow wrote:

 DS> all democratic organizations   have the same problems
 DS> concerning outside activities.   what i mean is that mike
 DS> is right in not going into detail about the issues he
 DS> disagrees with.   all organizations tend to look down on
 DS> members who openly share discenting viewpoints outside that
 DS> organization.   don't tell me that acb doesn't have this
 DS> problem too as i'm sure it could be found.

Hi, Darrell!

You are right; other organizations take umbrage at criticism of their
policies by members outside the forum of theose organizations.
Sometimes the measures they take are far more draconian than any the NFB
ever has done.

A fine example -- one I've mentioned before but it appears not to have
been noticed -- is that of the NAACP and its action toward a California
chapter that openly criticized NAACP's anti-Thomas stand last fall.
*****One day***** after the local chapter made public its dissenting,
pro-Thomas stance, they got the word from NAACP National Headquarters
that they should rescind their statement or face expulsion from NAACP.
Wow!  You don't have to believe me.  Look it up in _U.S. News and World
Report_.  Ultimately, the chapter was not expelled (I think, but do not
remember for certain, that they withdrew their statement); however, this
should put to rest the presumption that NFB is unique in its policies
and/or that it isn't democratic because it demands a certain discipline
from its members concerning statements they make outside NFB concerning
NFB or its policies.  I have not heard anyone lately accuse NAACP of
being an undemocratic organization or that Benjamin Hooks is a dictator
or that NAACP has become a cult of personality {grin}.

At the risk of angering ACB members (who can and will speak for
themselves), I'd say, Darrell, that ACB has made the conscious decision
that they'd rather risk ineffectiveness as an organization than demand
discipline from its members in publicly stating anti-ACB opinions in
forums outside ACB.  I recall reading something to that effect in the
Forum last summer (the article dealt with how to handle credentials of
convention delegates more justly).

Take care ES 73!

NU7I DE K7UIJ
... *The National Federation of the Blind is changing what it means to be blind.*
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From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Reasonable Accommodat
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:28:01 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Able News Conference

Index Number: 24387

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

 CS>ADA only deals with disability as in handicap.

Which kind of Handicap?

A lack of money is a handicap.  An inability to see, hear, and
taste are handicaps.  A woman unable to have children is
handicapped.  A newcomer who only speaks arabic is handicapped.  A
snake charmer with a fear of snakes and a veterinarian allergic to
animal fur are both handicapped. AIDS, alcoholism, leporsy, and
psoriasis can be handicapping.

The ADA does not define what constitutes a disability and it fails
to define 'reasonable accomodation.'

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From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Athlete Joints....
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:56:32 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 24312

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Joe Chamberlain <21 Aug 92 06:17> Sheila Fava wrote:

 SF> Where do I find a copy of NEW MOBILITY?  I get PARAPLEGIA already.

NEW MOBILITY is the new title for the old SPINAL NETWORK magazine.
Their address is

               New Mobility
               P. O. Box 4162
               Boulder, CO  80306

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From: Hugues.Blanchet@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Hugues Blanchet)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Brs: Invasion Of Priv
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:20:30 GMT
Reply-To: Hugues.Blanchet@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/136 - Ab.'s Place, Montreal PQ
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 24135

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 Hi Leti,

 -=> Quoting Leti Labell to Hugues Blanchet <=-

 LL> I DO have a little more input on the monitoring of phone calls.  In
 LL> the case  of operator assisted calls, ALL operators are monitored on an
 LL> occasional  basis, to make sure they are giving the proper service.
 LL> True, the types of  calls that are being monitored are not personal
 LL> information like you would have on a relay call.  However, there is a
 LL> precedence for the  monitoring of operators.

Yes, I know... There still is a problem because even if private calls
are sometimes monitored "to assure the quality of the lines", the
probability that OUR calls are monitored are MUCH GREATER than the
normal voice to voice callers... because the percentage of calls
being relayed is much less than the one of calls voice to voice.  And
if such a system is installed, the number of relay calls that are
monitored are M-U-C-H GREATER than the voice-to-voice calls.

THAT'S is also a serious problem!!!

 LL> All operators are covered under strict confidentiality rules, and at
 LL> least at  the company I work for (Bell Atlantic), operators would be
 LL> fired if they  break that confidentiality.  It doesn't happen often,
 LL> but when it does,  everyone knows about it (the firing, I mean.)

Sure they do, but what if the calls are monitored by BOSSES. WHO can
fire them if THEY decide to *make copies of the calls for research
reasons*...????

Sincerely,

Hugues

... The Blue Wave echo, were suggestions are taken seriously!
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From: ronald@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Ronald Amundson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Air Travel Booklet
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:04:54 GMT
Reply-To: ronald@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Ronald Amundson)
Organization: University of Hawaii

Index Number: 23980

Thanks for the information on the booklet.  Airlines still do not
understand the regulations, and even if the people at the top do,
local workers often do not.

I just spent the morning talking with the Dept. of Transportation and
various United Airlines people about United's wheelchair checking
policy.  Until very recently (and even now, at least on Honolulu)
United says that it will return wheelchairs to passengers at the gate
only at the final destination or when there is more than 90 minutes
between connecting flights.  That is, if you have to change planes and
there's only an hour between flights, the airline will not bring you
your chair.  They insist on wheeling you to the connecting flight in
their own chair and transferring your chair as baggage between the
flights.

I confirmed this morning that DOT thinks that's contrary to
regulations, then confirmed with United in Honolulu that it was their
policy.  I asked for a written copy of the policy, or of the checking
tag, from the United people in Honolulu and they refused.  "Security"
they said.  Bullsh*t, say I.

So I called United Customer Service in Chicago.  (Long distance costs
are mounting.)  The guy in Chicago (Tom Sullivan by name) says that
United "recently" changed its policy so that wheelchairs will be
delivered at the gate irrespective of time between flights, and had
new tags printed up which didn't have the "90 minutes" rule printed on
them.  I told him that every flight I was on as recently as July 10
still used the old policy, and that Honolulu United people had told me
just this morning that they do too.  He said he'd call Honolulu and
straighten them out.

I don't know if they're straight yet.  But if anyone tries to tell you
they won't return your chair between connecting flights, tell them
they're inviolation of DOT regs, and (at least) United's current
policy.

Ron Amundson