HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (Backlash)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: hey, PAINTBALL fans
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:59 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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>to all you who enjoy paintvball, or know someoe who does, I have ten
>one-day passes, good for a year from purchase, for sale. I bought these
>about three and one half weeks ago. They include the following:
[stuff deleted]

You might want to say WHERE these passes are for! New England is a bit
general...


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Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: FAQ ?
Summary: FAQ, MBTI info requested
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:25:34 GMT

Does this newsgroup have a FAQ ?  I'm sorry to bother you with question,
but where can I find some introductory information on MBTI  ?  I just
began reading this. group and missed the book list  Perhaps some kind
net.person could e-mail it to me ?  Thanks in advance.

-- 
John Coughlin                           [ insert clever saying here ]
Net: wcsjc@ccs.carleton.ca     Vox: +1 613 957-2851     Fax: 990-7370
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Subject: Re: ENTPs/XNTPs (was Re: Just for fun ...)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10958]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:55:53 GMT

Jeff Humphrey [Jeffus]) writes:

>>>	 D) Often simply 'out of touch' with things going on.
>>>	    - What time is it ?
>>>	    - What day is it ?
>>>	    - What year is it ?
>>>	    - Has to spend lots of money on flowers    :-)


Barrie Trinkle writes:

>>    What???  I'm an INTP, and am (and always have been) intensely aware of
>>    time and the external world, to the point of being hyper-responsible
>>    about stuff like bills, birthdays, getting to parties on time...
>>    Am I not true to type in this regard?


Seth L. Blumberg:

> Nope.  You are *not* true to type in this regard.
> I know at least fifty INTPs well enough to be confident
> about my estimation of their types, and every blessed
> one of 'em (including me) would be lucky to get to their
> own funerals on time.  Or to have remembered to make
> the monthly payments on their cemetery plots.


Sometimes a person solves a problems by overcompensation.
E.g. an INTP hates to waste time putting things away
and therefore leaves everything in sight.  Messy office!
Eventually, the desk becomes so messy that things
are lost in plain sight.

At some point, the INTP may decide that something must be done,
and so he develops an ingenious organization system in which
he can figure out the place of every object by the objects nature,
and can get and put things with minimal effort and attention.
At that point, his office may switch to being hyper-neat and organized!

Dealing with time is similar.  For instance, I cannot trust myself
to remember errands, so I keep an elaborate list of things
I need to do at home, things I need to do at work,
sorted by urgency, with markers for time constraints.
I update the list several times a day, and even more frequently
pull it out to remind myself of what I had decided to do today.
Bills get paid on time, but not because I remember to pay them,
but because it goes on my list the moment the bill arives in the mail,
and then later, when I look at my list to choose a task,
I am reminded.

------------------------------------------
Frank Silbermann	fs@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: Re: Mail me test, please?
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:22:37 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:

>In article <ssumille.723805188@reading>, ssumille@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Pete
> Millerchip) writes...
>>SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu (S. Wukovitz) writes:
>> 
>>>Could someone please mail me the 70 question test which was posted
>>>here about a week ago?  Or, if you think there is sufficient interest,
>>>could you please post?  Also, could you mail the scoring directions?
>> 
>>I would also be grateful for the test - I think that a post may be a good
>>idea!
>> 
>>>Thanks!
>>>-Stephanie
>> 
>>Also thanks from me!
>> 
>>  Pete Millerchip.
>>me too!
>>Jen

>and me, thanks.
>Kathi

How about if someone just re-posts it so we can all get a second chance to
have a look.

Cheers.


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From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Passive-aggressiveness
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:32:13 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I'm interested in ways to determine whether behavior is
passive-aggressive.  I mean I know you can test, etc., and there may be
clinical evidence.  But what are some different ways/methods for telling
whether behavior is actually passive-aggressive and whether someone has a
passive-aggressive style.  What do YOU look for.  

You can e-mail me or just post.  Thanks.

Alice

Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Subject: what dis mean?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:02:50 GMT

Okay, I took that test and here's what I got:

     I (60%)
     N (70%)
     T (80%)
     J (75%)

So whatzitmean?

e-mail to kaygee@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt)
Subject: Re: Question about my type
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:20:52 GMT

Ken,

The same thing happened to me.  In fact, i tested as an INFJ, but the
profile didn't fit.  

I think it's a problem with testing, letter-by-letter, instead of looking
at the interactions of the four.  One of the responses to "Confused about
N/S and P/J" (#6 in this newsgroup currently) is my explanation of this
phenomenon.  If you can't call it up, let me know and I will send you a copy.

BTW, your approach to determining your type is a confirmation to me that
you are in fact an INTP.  I'd say welcome to the club, but INTP's in the
main are not clannish and wouldn't want to decide on 1) whether or not
there should be a such club, 2)whether such a group would exactly be a
*club* or, if not, exactly *what* it should be called, and 3)which of us
would have to take the responsibility for organization and maintenance of
the aforesaid club/group/...  %-)


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Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: nmaxwell@carson.u.washington.edu (Nicholas Maxwell)
Subject: Text Books & Collections of Readings
Summary: Need Recommendations for personality texts.
Organization: University of Washington, Bothell
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:01:02 GMT

Does anyone have textbooks in personality that they would recommend?

How about collections of readings?

Thanks very much,
Nick Maxwell
nmaxwell@u.washington.edu


Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Subject: Re: ENTPs/XNTPs (was Re: Just for fun ...)
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:46:40 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle) writes:
>humphrey@hightop.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey [Jeffus]) writes:
>
>>	 D) Often simply 'out of touch' with things going on.
>>	    - What time is it ?
>>	    - What day is it ?
>>	    - What year is it ?
>>	    - Has to spend lots of money on flowers    :-)
>
>What???  I'm an INTP, and am (and always have been) intensely aware of
>time and the external world, to the point of being hyper-responsible
>about stuff like bills, birthdays, getting to parties on time...
>Am I not true to type in this regard?

Nope.  You are *not* true to type in this regard.

I know at least fifty INTPs well enough to be confident about my estimation of
their types, and every blessed one of 'em (including me) would be lucky to get
to their own funerals on time.  Or to have remembered to make the monthly
payments on their cemetery plots.

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
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    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: josh@planchet.rutgers.edu (J Storrs Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: Re: The labeling of environmentalists
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:39:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass) writes:

>     As Christopher Manes, in "Green Rage" says,

Are you sure that wasn't "Green Calmly and Rationally Considered
Beneficial Activities"?  No?  Maybe the environmentalists are
(horrors) actually extremists after all?

>.  Environmentalists see the world and human survival
>jeopardized. 

Anyone who sees human survival jeopardized IS an extremist.
The simple fact is that you are in the grip of what is essentially
an eschatological religion.

There is plenty of support for clean air, water, and safe and
pleasant living conditions in this country.  That kind of 
"environmentalism" isn't extreme at all, and nobody says it is.
The extremist Left constantly attempts to identify itself with 
this mainstream environmentalism as a cover.  

Cass' posting is another in the unfortunately routine attempts
by environmentalist extremists to abuse science in aid of their 
political agenda.  This time the science they are abusing is
psychology.  If I were a psychologist I would find this very 
troubling.  Politically-motivated "science" is bad science.
This has proven true even in the harder sciences; psychology
is probably just as vulnerable.

Physicists have a great (and embarrassing) history of falling for
stage magicians and believing in psychokinetic effects until the
tricks were unveiled by other stage magicians.  Scientists aren't
used to dealing with someone who is trying to fool them and who
is an expert in doing so.  They are suckers for it.  Watch out!

--JoSH
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Question about my type
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:59:12 GMT

JOe,  

There is truth in what you say, but think of all the possiblities for a 
club that was composed of only INTP's.  

J. Yudelson, INTP, Marketing, Rochester Institute of Technolgy,
Rochester, NY   See also alt.culture.ny-upsate
From: homeier@aero.org (Peter Homeier)
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: Re: OK, OK, what are the words?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:12:41 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: superman.aero.org

In article <1992Dec11.040642.17708@ornl.gov>
           jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt) writes:
>Jenny Gutbezahl (jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1992Dec10.234707.9444@netcom.com>
>:            noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>: >
>: >"Name two English words which are pronounced the same way but have no
>: >letters in common."
>: >
>: >
>: >OK, I give up, what are they?  
>: >
>: 
>: Um, how about "I" and "eye"  or for the less narcissistic "you" and "ewe"
>: 
>: Jenny Gutbezahl ENXX
>: 
>
>I've been one-upped on this one.  (Jenny, try out the ENTP.)
>
>I had thought of a third, oh and eau, but that's cheating.  Anyone note
>the long-vowel-sound connection?

Perhaps I am too oriented towards computers, I came up with "sea" and "C".

Peter

-- 
"In your majesty ride forth victoriously in behalf of truth, humility, and
 righteousness; let your right hand display awesome deeds."  -- Psalm 45:4
                    __  _   These are my personal opinions: do you listen?
Peter V. Homeier   <;_><_                       homeier@aerospace.aero.org
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: Re:Mail me test, please?
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:37:41 GMT

In article <ssumille.723805188@reading>, ssumille@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Pete
 Millerchip) writes...
>SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu (S. Wukovitz) writes:
> 
>>Could someone please mail me the 70 question test which was posted
>>here about a week ago?  Or, if you think there is sufficient interest,
>>could you please post?  Also, could you mail the scoring directions?
> 
>I would also be grateful for the test - I think that a post may be a good
>idea!
> 
>>Thanks!
>>-Stephanie
> 
>Also thanks from me!
> 
>  Pete Millerchip.
>me too!
>Jen

and me, thanks.
Kathi
From: homeier@aero.org (Peter Homeier)
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: Macintosh Hypercard version of the Keirsey Temperament Sorter
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:31:41 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: superman.aero.org
Keywords: MBTI Hypercard personality temperament

Recently there were several messages asking for the questions to determine
their temperament.  S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> re-posted the questions
from "Please Understand Me":
>
>This message has the text of the Keirsey Temperament Sorter from the book
>"Please Understand Me" by David Keirsey and Marilyn Bates (buy the book, it's
>well worth the price!).
>
>The test has 70 questions that all require an A or B answer.  ...

I made up a Macintosh Hypercard stack some time ago that included all of the
Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and also all the sixteen temperament descriptions
(ohh my aching fingers!).  It not only administers the test, but also
displays the results graphically, and provides a reasonable description of
the result type.  It also has a table from which one can browse through any
of the temperaments.  The main thing lacking is no ability to print.

If this would be helpful, I would be happy to post it here, so please let
me know if you would be interested.  The only thing I would be worried about
would be the copyright issue; it really is Keirsey's and Bates's text, but
if the stack's not for sale, perhaps they won't sue me...

Peter Homeier
homeier@cs.ucla.edu

-- 
"In your majesty ride forth victoriously in behalf of truth, humility, and
 righteousness; let your right hand display awesome deeds."  -- Psalm 45:4
                    __  _   These are my personal opinions: do you listen?
Peter V. Homeier   <;_><_                       homeier@aerospace.aero.org
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: rjr004@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Addictive Personality
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:16:00 GMT

In article <ROISE.92Dec14171841@sumax.seattleu.edu>, roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.180759.14026@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
> 
>    This is just a theory, but I believe that both addicts and non-addicts
>    are capable of starting addictive behavior--the difference is that
>    non-addicts get uncomfortable early in the addictive process and change
>    what they're doing. 
> 
> Don't forget to figure in the biological aspects of addiction.
> Addiction is a bio-psycho-social disease/disorder.
> 
> Broaching this issue is likely to open a can of worms.  I'm willing to
> dialog on it for a while if it seems useful to anyone.




Strange, what do you belive are the logical courses to solve an addiction?
Social psychology, cognitive methods?
I am an undergrad w/a double majar in psy/poly sci at Drake U., if
you read J.A.B.A. at all, you would have heard of my behaviorist
professor, Dr. Ron Martella.  I noticed a lot of cognitive (e.g., Jung)
info, what about behaviorism, wouldn't the logical courses to solve most
addctions would be though a respondant conditioning program (e.g., aversives)
or an operant methods of reinforecement and punishers.

Ryan
rjr004@drake.acad.edu




> 
> Linda Roise, M.A.  
> former Director, Addiction Studies Pgm., Seattle University
> 
> --
> Linda Roise
> Seattle, WA, USA
> roise@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: souzaj@woods.ulowell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: LITERATURE AND PERSONALITY?
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:18:55 GMT
Organization: University of Lowell

What do people think of using literature as a source of material for examining
moral issues? Has anyone else read Robert Coles' The Call of Stories? What did
you think of it? I am very interested in a branch of literary criticism which
concerns itself with the very question I first posed here. It combines material
explored in both of my majors, English and Psychology, and I would like to
bounce ideas off people about this. Any takers? 
	
			souzaj@ulowell.woods.edu

Jules. 
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
From: denisl@bnr.ca (Denis Langlais)
Subject: Re: Re:Mail me test, please?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:42:58 GMT

In article <Bz49Ix.5IC.1@cs.cmu.edu>, kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
|> In article <ssumille.723805188@reading>, ssumille@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Pete
|>  Millerchip) writes...
|> >SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu (S. Wukovitz) writes:
|> > 
|> >>Could someone please mail me the 70 question test which was posted
|> >>here about a week ago?  Or, if you think there is sufficient interest,
|> >>could you please post?  Also, could you mail the scoring directions?
|> > 
|> >I would also be grateful for the test - I think that a post may be a good
|> >idea!
|> > 
|> >>Thanks!
|> >>-Stephanie
|> > 
|> >Also thanks from me!
|> > 
|> >  Pete Millerchip.
|> >me too!
|> >Jen
|> 
|> and me, thanks.
|> Kathi
Me Four
Denis Langlais

-- 
Denis Langlais    Internet:  denisl@bnr.ca 
BNR Ltd.         
My opinions are my own
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: FAQ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:31:09 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

Is there an FAQ for this group? Please?

Cheers in advance.



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From: jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt)
Subject: Jung's four processes
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:38:01 GMT


I'm not exactly sure how this fits into the system, but it is interesting
and useful in understanding how minds work. 

Apparently the two middle letters of the type represent four functions in
approaching a given situation.  In English,

intuition, sensing, thinking, and feeling are the four functions.

For the Extraverted types, what you see is what you get (WYSIWYG, in
computerese).  By that I mean that whichever judging function (Thinking or
Feeling) for the Judgers will be the primary function.

For EJ's, the secondary (or auxiliary) function is the perceiving, or
data-collecting function, represented by N or S.  For the ENTJ, iNtuition
is secondary. 

The las two functions are the mirror image of the first two.  For ENTJ's
that would be Sensing third and Feeling last.  Thus, for ENTJ's the order
of the four functions are:

1)Thinking, 2)iNtuition, 3)Sensing, 4)Feeling

[For the ESFJ, the order would be 1)Feeling, 2)Sensing, 3)iNtuition,
4)Thinking.  ]

For Extraverted Perceivers (EP's), the perceiving function is first,
followed by the judging function.  Thus, for the ENFP, the order would be:

iNtuition, Feeling, Thinking, Sensing.

[For the ESTP, the order is: 
1)Sensing, 2)Thinking, 3)Feeling, 4)iNtuition. ]

Introversion reverses the location of the primary function.  The letters
of the type represent how the individual is perceived by the world.  The
Introvert's primary function is, however, internal.  For IJ's, the primary
function is *not* the judging function -- it's the perceiving function.

Thus, for the INFJ, the order of functions is:
1)iNtuition, 2)Feeling, 3)Thinking, and 4)Sensing.

[For an ISTJ, 
1)Sensing, 2)Thinking, 3)Feeling, 4)iNtuition. ]

If the pattern is not clear, I will compulsively proceed...

For the rest of us, that is, Introverted Perceivers, the primary function
is the internalized Judging function.  For INFP's, the order is:
1)Feeling, 2)iNtuition, 3)Sensing, 4)Thinking.

[For the ISTP, 
1)Thinking, 2)Sensing, 3)iNtuition, 4)Feeling. ]

It is interesting to note that the ENTJ and INTP have the same order of
functions (Thinking, iNtuition, Sensing, Feeling), as do the other E-I pairs.



--Much of this information is available in a publication called _Facing Your
Type_, by George J. Schemel and James A. Borbely.  Published by Typofile
Press, Church Road, Box 223, Wernersville, PA 19565


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:55:14 EST
From: S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.personality
Subject: Repost of 70-question test/scoring instructions

Because I have seen so many "me too" posts (and mail), here
is the 70-question test, yet again...
=====
Here's a copy of the two postings (first the test, then the
scoring instructions).  Enjoy!!

-- Bill                                  ponicki@econ.berkeley.edu

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