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From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Fitness Thoughts won't die!
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:42:52 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


	Well due  to the overwhelming response to my Fitness
Thoughts I've decided to post some of my thoughts along with 
some new ones.
How do I increase my vertical leap?
How can I do more push-ups.( I don't stop because I'm tired 
but more because I find it boring.It's more mental than physical.
How do I do more pull-ups?

	Many proffesional bodybuilders go off their low - fat diet
in the off - season and chew steaksall day? Compared with the body-
builders who stay on this diet all year round they both look ripped.
Since one has consumed considerable more fat then where is all the
enrgy or fat found for the low - fat man?
	Does anyone run on this net? I'm wondering if leg workouts
are necessary if I run a lot.	Thanks.

	Steve, let's hope this post goes a little better round than
last one, Hare.-- 
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From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Workout From Hell, anyone?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:31:36 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <Bw84In.989@cs.dal.ca> gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) writes:
>At some point in the past year or two there was a message posted by a
>rock climber containing a workout routine. It was called the Workout From
>Hell (WFH). It was designed to increase strength and indurance without
>increasing muscle mass too much. Since I've taken up climbing and the season
>is drawing to a close I'd like to try this training routine during the
>off-season.
>
>Anyone have a copy of it? Or can anyone suggest a good routine that will
>specifically help me for rock climbing (although I do want to work non-
>climbing muscles as well).

If memory serves, John Long published one or more articles in CLIMBING
magazine last year on this topic.  Someone who saves the back issues
might be able to tell you exactly which one(s) to read.

Cary Czichon
czichon@csc.ti.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.152546.10639@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>I agree.  Now, I would say that dumbbell presses are more difficult
>and require more synergistic muscle action of the tris, bis, delts,
>pecs, wrist adductors, etc..  I have two items for discussion.
>
>Is there any reason for straight bar benches to be better for anything?
>Possibly reducing stress on some muscles to provide better stimulation
>of the others?
>
>I have a "catch" in my right shoulder.  I've rested it for weeks
>from time to time, but it just makes getting back to benches that
>much more uncomfortable.  It's worse with dumbbell presses, but
>after a few sets, I get in the groove, and it eases up.  It doesn't
>get worse, it doesn't get better.  It seems as though it's just a
>particular plane through which my flexibility decreased after I
>turned 30 or so.  It's just annoying.  It doesn't feel like
>any kind of bursitis, nor does it ache after lifting.  It's just
>damn uncomfortable to press in a particular position.  It feels like
>either the upper biceps head and that groove in the clavicle (?)
>where the tendon inserts, or possibly the outer head of the medial
>deltoid.  It hurts only while lifting a "certain" way, or trying to,
>for instance, put my arm high up in the middle of my back.  My left
>arm is fine.  Also, it doesn't hurt at all at any other time (aside
>from the normal burn I try to get all over, of course.)
>
>Anyone else have anything like this and what did/do you do?
>
>GMS

As we speak, I am experiencing a little discomfort in my right shoulder 
from heavy dumbbell benching.  I do prefer dumbbells to barbells (some pros, 
like Gaspari, hardly if ever even use barbells!).  But I still barbell bench
because it is so much more of a "power" thing - you don't work just your
pecs, you pretty much work your whole upper-frontal torso.

This is not to say that I don't get "powerful" on dumbbell presses - I
still go nuts.  And because of the added range of motion, dumbbells
work the pecs much better than barbells.  However, you have to be
careful about how far you go down with the dumbbells - I like to go down
pretty far, which tends to aggravate this old injury I have in my right
shoulder.

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: How much is too much?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: Engineering Productivity Group, Harris Corp., Melbourne, FL

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>I have a somewhat related question.  What experience have people had
>with the interaction of weightlifting and aerobic exercising?

I have been doing both for the last 2 years, after 5 years of
strictly aerobic exercise.  I am still making gains in both strength
and endurance.

I can swim, bike, and run faster than I could when I started lifting,
even though I reduced my mileage.  I can also lift about twice as much
as when I started.  My weight went from 155 to 165, and I was recently
tested at 7% body fat.  The combination of strength and reduced mileage
also reduces the risk of overuse injuries, and I have had none in the last
two years.

I normally lift weights twice a week, and run, bike, or swim on the other
days.  I don't try to combine weights with aerobics on the same day,
since one workout would leave me tired for the other.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner)
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:38:47 GMT

mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:

>(posting from a friend's account)

>ARRRGGGGG!!  Does anyone else out there get frustrated with their muscle
>improvement ???  
I think everyone does.  I find that my development "plateaus", i.e. I'll make
gains, and then stay at the same level for a while or even drop a bit before
making more gains.  Important to accept the fact that not every day will
be your best day.

>	third, I use alot of Nautilus and Universal machines (I have heard that
>	they produce long and strong muscles, but not much bulk).  Is this 
>	true??

>	forth, I don't think I have been "intense" enough.  My muscle aren't 
>	sore after a workout.

The combination of the these two will not lead to huge mass.  It sounds more
like you are doing a workout for someone who wants to keep "toned".  In order
to build muscles, you must push them past the point where they can comfortably
work.  This results in soreness.   My own personal bias is that Universal
machines in general are not the best for building mass, because they help
with the weight.

>	Is there any hope of speeding up my progress, or is it all genetics?  
>I am thinking about giving up because I am getting tired of putting in so much
>effort and seeing such little gains.

Weight-lifting and body-building, just like everything else, has a large
mental component.  The self-fulfilling prophecy holds --- if you think
you can't do it, you won't.  You need to be able to push yourself, and a 
negative self-image essentially means that your brain tells you to stop
before you really need to stop --- "Oh, I can't do any more reps" rather than
trying to do another.  My old track coach used to speak of "kicking Joe Cortex"
where he meant stopping your brain from tricking you into stopping before
your BODY tells you to stop.  Granted, I'm not saying that just thinking
you can press 450 means you will, but it can make the difference between
doing 1 rep and doing 3 or 4.

- Dave
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From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:37:58 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization


Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly IS "love handles"???

Very curiously yours,
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From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:37:11 CDT


In article <Bw2IpL.1zw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
|> improvement ???  I have been lifting for about 5 months now and have only
|> gained 10 pounds.  Now, my new roommate has been lifting for 2 months and
|> has also gained 10 pounds.  I have tried to figure out what the hell is wrong
First I'd say 10 pounds of what?   Anyone can gain 10 pound of fat & water, 
without working out.   I'd bet that ~25% of the weight you have gained is
muscle, your friend probably ~15%, the rest is fat and water.  Stay off the
scale & stick to lifting more weight.  Weight is meaningless to how much
muscle you have, without measuring your Body Fat.

|> P.S. Thanks Moe for letting me use your account !!!
And a big thanks to Curley and Larry, without them Moe would have been the
only stooge.  Hazzah
-- 
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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Flat Butt
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:52:43 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <16961@pitt.UUCP> jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu writes:
>In article KD2@acsu.buffalo.edu, v126pt49@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert P Baccaray) writes:
>>I've got flat butt.  What weight exercises or any exercises can I do to make my
>>rear end look healthier?
>
>
>DEEEEEEEEEEEEP SQUATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Jan
>
>
  These are also good for overstretched tendons in the knees and lower back.
  No offense Jan.  I and others I have know have had this happen to them.
  "chair level" squats work almost as well , but are safer.

Steve R
From: brian@frej.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question-TOO MANY SETS!
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:07:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: frej.brian.719089649
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>Monday: Legs
>        Total Sets for the Day:  4
>Tuesday: Aerobics, abs
>Wednesday: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
>           Total Sets for the Day:  8
>                      for Chest:  4
>                      for Shoulders: 3
>                      for Triceps:  1
>Thursday: Aerobics, abs
>Friday: Back, Biceps 
>         Total sets for the day: 6
>                    for back:  5
>                    for biceps: 1
>Saturday: Aerobics, abs
>Sunday: rest

     If you use this workout, then I agree that you should be doing small
sets.  However, I dislike your workout.  I don't think one can adequately
work more than one bodypart a day.  I usually do 12-16 sets of 6-8 reps
per bodypart.  After I have worked a bodypart thoroughly, there is
nothing left.
     I spend 5 days in the gym whereas you spend 3.  We both end up
working each bodypart once a week, but the workout that I do is the one
that has gotten me results.  It just seems like your squeezing to much
into your workouts.  My workouts don't even last an hour, but it will
take 3-5 days for the bodypart worked to recover.

>_IronMan_ magazine) have advocated even LESS sets! I don't use forced reps or 
>intensity techniques, but after a regular set of squats, I"m ready to collapse 
>on the floor.  I honestly feel that most trainees don't know how to work hard, 
>and so use forced reps (let the partner do the work) or many sets in an effort 
>to avoid giving their 100% on each set (But I"m not saying that forced reps 
>have no value).  Of course, I see gigantic musclemen doing megasets per

     I agree that many don't use forced reps properly, but if done
correctly they work beautifully.  I have had great gains at different
stages of lifting by having a partner that allowed me to work past
failure.  My old partner moved away, so I don't have one now but the most
and fastest gains were when I had his help.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Stupid (?) question about fat
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct15.194028.9513
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

etxpell@mega.ericsson.se (Pelle Arvinder) writes:

>I have a really stupid question about fat vs. carbohydrates.
>Everyone knows that it's not good to use fat as energy source, but
>instead you should use carbohydrates.
> 
>My question is: 
>Since fat contains about four times as much energy as carbohydrates 
>and protein, and fat is supposed to be burnt first when exersicing 
>aerobically (at least that's my conclusion of the discussion about
>aerobic vs. anaerobic exercise before), why not use fat for energy? 
>If you only calculated how much energy you use when exercising, and 
>tried to keep your "fat in-take" at the same level, you should be 
>able to burn all the fat.

>I know this doesn't hold, but I would be interested to hear an
>explanation.

Ernie Maglischo gives a good explanation in "Swimming Faster",
pg 422 - the following is a summary of what he says:

HIGH CARBO DIET REPLACES GLYCOGEN FASTER:
- muscle glycogen can be depleted by 2 hours of training
- 48 hours to replace on 40-50% carbohydrate diet
- 5 days to replace on low carbohydrate diet

	ref: Costill et al 1971

WHY GLYCOGEN IS IMPORTANT:
- low glycogen can lead to state of chronic fatigue
- performance and motivation suffers
- conditioning will suffer because of inability to maintain
	intense training.

Several researchers have shown that a diet that is rich
in carbohydrates (70-80 percent) can reduce repletion time
from 48 to 24 hours (Hultman, Bergstrom, and Roch-Norlund 1971; 
MacDougall, Ward, Sale, and Sutton 1975). This is why a 
high-carbohydrate diet is recommended for swimmers in
training.

In addition, fat is associated with cardio-vascular diseases,
which is not true of high starch diets (so, although
carbohydrates are better than fats, starches are better
than sugars (both are carbohydrates)).


Costill, D. L. , Bowers, R. Branum, G., and Sparks, K. 1971. 
"Muscle Glycogen Utilization during Prologed exercise on 
Successive Days." J. Appl. Physiology
31:834-838.

Costill, D. L. 1978 "Sports Nutrition: The Role of 
Carbohydrates." Nutrition News 41:1, 4.

Hultman, E. Bergstrom, J. and Roch-Norland, A. E. 1971. "Glycogen
Storage in Human Skeletal Muscle." Muscle
Metabolism During Exercise, ed. B. Pernow and B. Saltin, 
pp 273-287. New York: Plenum Press.

MacDougall, J. D. Ward, G. R. Sale, D. C., and Sutton, J. r. 1975.
"Muscle Glycogen Repletion after High Intensity Intermittent
Eercise." J. Appl. Physiol. 42:129-132.

-Larry Watanabe
From: baker@westsd.dco.dec.com (Art Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroids
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:59:57 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Oct6.212032.724@u.washington.edu> griffin@carson.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin) writes:
>This scam was already discussed at length in the weights mail list group.
>Posters there thought that IRONMAN had sold its subscription list to this
>fraudulent company. Does this make sense to you?

 I suspect that IRONMAN's subscription list is involved.  My first offer
from "the steroid people" arrived shortly after I subscribed to I.M.
Same thing happened with a friend of mine.  Neither one of us has
ordered anything from any bodybuilding-related companies.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: Re: lat pull up vs. lat pull down
Originator: sew@condor
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:49:22 GMT


In article <ld8uhjINNd05@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, mlt@thezipline.Corp.Sun.COM (My-Ly Ta) writes:
|> Can some gurus of fitness out there tell me
|> what is the different between lat pull up Vs.
|> lat pull down?

   I think I can assume you mean palm-facing-you when you say 'pull up Vs'.
   Basically, this motion ties in the bicep muscle( which you use to do curls ).
   Lat pull downs emphasize the outer back muscles and are harder to do than
   a tradtional pull-up.
   
|> 
|> Since I am very new to the fitness scene...whenever
|> I try to do pull up with one of the machine at my
|> club. I am experiencing a light headache.  Could it
|> be, because of my breathing?  Not enough oxygen to
|> my brain? can someone advise on this.  Also I feel
|> much better with the lat pull down.  Can I substitute
|> lat pull down for lat pull up? and get the same result?
|> 
|> Thx
|> MLT
|> 

   I get the headaches also, and breathing correct is always
   essential. Most likely the headaches are from squeezing so hard.
   I don't get them as bad as I used to when I first started out.

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From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Side Deltoids
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Oct12.161945.24427
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
> 
> I have been working out for quite a while now, and have noticed good gains
> in all areas of my body except for side deltoids.  What are good mass 
> building exercises for the side deltoids?  I have a feeing that I might
> not be doing side laterals the proper way, and it's hard to look at people
> and see how to do it because everybody does it a different way.  Thanks
> in advance.
>  
> -Matthew
> -- 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Matthew Kaphan        funky@redrock.nevada.edu
>                 .sig files are for people who can't change their mind.



Matthew -

Side laterals and presses are the best.  For the longest time I was doing side
laterals wrong.  You don't want to bring them straight out to the side, you 
should bend your elbows a little bit and bring them slightly forward when
raising upward.  Don't worry about the weight so much as the form ...

good luck -

Kelly.
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: numb hands
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:49:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.c92z37h
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <1992Oct15.003745.11322@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@jpljpt.jpl.nasa.gov   (Tim Fogarty) writes:
>Toni M. Whited writes
>> I have recently started using wrist straps to do pullups; you know,  
>those
>> things that secure themselves around your wrists and that you wrap  
>around the
>> pullup bar.  I have been experiencing a slight numb feeling in my little
>> fingers since I started this.  I have no idea if there is any causation
>> involved here, only correlation. So I would like to know if anybody has
>> had a similar experience, and, if so, if there is any simple remedy.
>> 
>> Toni  
>
>carpal tunnel syndrome
>
>stop using the wrist straps
>
>--
>Tim Fogarty
>Computer Systems Manager 
>SIR-C Project, STS-59
>FOGARTY@MOOREA.JPL.NASA.GOV 

Hardly...

CTS is pretty serious, and its symptoms are much more than having a numb
little finger.  My hands get numb when I use straps while doing, say, heavy
shrugs (with 315!).  But I think the problem is more related to the fact that
the blood has been cut off to my fingers during the set.  I just make sure
that I loosen the straps in between  each set!

Ron
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Stupid (?) question about fat
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:38:23 GMT

etxpell@mega.ericsson.se (Pelle Arvinder) writes:

>I have a really stupid question about fat vs. carbohydrates.
>Everyone knows that it's not good to use fat as energy source, but
>instead you should use carbohydrates.

I posted an earlier article about why you should have a high-carbo
diet, but on re-reading this post I realize it does not address
some issues. My earlier post explained that on a high-carbo diet,
you can replace your muscle glycogen in 24 hours as opposed to 5 days
on a low-carbo, high fat diet.

I forgot to explain why you need the glycogen -- why you can't
just store the fat and use the fat, leaving the glycogen alone.

>My question is: 
>Since fat contains about four times as much energy as carbohydrates 
>and protein, and fat is supposed to be burnt first when exersicing 
>aerobically (at least that's my conclusion of the discussion about
>aerobic vs. anaerobic exercise before), 

This is not quite correct.

There are a number of sources of energy:

	ATP-CP reaction		

	anaerobic glycolysis

	aerobic glycolysis

	lipid metabolism	(fat burning)

Generally, when exercising, all of these metabolic processes
are going on at once. However, depending on the intensity and
length of the exercise, each of these may make a different
contribution. For example, for a 10-20 sec 25-50yd swim sprint, 80 % of 
energy comes from the ATP-CP reaction, 20 % from anaerobic
glycolysis, and 2 % from aerobic. For a 1 mile swim race, 
the proportions are exactly reversed. 

Notice that lipid
metabolism (fat burning) doesn't play a significant role, 
even for a 1 mile swim lasting about 20 minutes.

Unfortunately, I don't have figures for longer duration,
lower-intensity exercise where fat would be burned. 
Even in these cases, the percent of energy from fats
may be increased, but it can never be 100%.

>why not use fat for energy? 
>If you only calculated how much energy you use when exercising, and 
>tried to keep your "fat in-take" at the same level, you should be 
>able to burn all the fat.

You need glycogen to support intense exercise, even if
it is aerobic. So, you would not be able to do any
intense training on a high-fat, low carbohydrate diet.

-Larry Watanabe