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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The one million & sawa lakh question....
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:30:54 GMT
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Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Apr14.204936.24974@athena.mit.edu>
anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes: 
:<Kamran Aftab writes:
:<
:<|:< As we say in urdu "suwaal suwa lakh ka" (in english - million
dollar question!) 
:<|:< 
:<
:<	Now I realize why the Americans have developed so fast and why
:<	we have not...........they set their hopes on "million" and
:<	we only on "sawa lakh"...........By the way, why not a 
:<	"poora lakh"?			;--{)}
:<

May be because of:

   "zinda tu zinda, mera hua haathi bhi 'sawa laakh' ka hotaa hey"

    "Even a dead elephant is worth one and quarter lakh."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: A suggestion for all Muslims
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:35:07 GMT

khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:


>I request all the muslims please leave the arguments with Qadianis

>that is what one of Mufti told me.  This mofti says, instead of doing 

>foolish arguments with Qadianis you better sopend your time in a sensible 

>work. This mufti says thes people are not going

>to accept your arguments eventhough you are right.  Had they accept they 

>would have become muslim, this is not your hadach to make them muslim or

>show them the right way to follow.  It was our duty which for which we have

>tried our best but it is a Lanat from god to these people, so better leave

>these people alone and spend your time in doing something meaningful.  

>They want you to have arguments with these people and keep you(Muslim)

>bussy in foolish arguments. If our big Ullmas and Muftis have failed to

>convense them then how we can do this.  They are from devel (Iblees) family

>they will not listen to you. Every time they will say 2+2 = 5.


>So it my request for you (Muslims) not to have arguments with these people

>any more and if you want to do something for Islam then please do some thing

>achieveable or some thing good for Islam.  By doing arguments you are only

>vasting your time.  Again it is my equest not to have arguments with Qadianis

>and leave them alone. 

assalam alaikum

thankyou for your suggestion, i totally agree.

Murad [ first time in agreement on the abovesaid issue ] Mirza.
From: hbr6165@zeus.tamu.edu (harish)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:  A little fact I want you to know (Son of Woman)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:15:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr6.052919.22154@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, jamal@z.eecs.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak) writes...
>In article <4APR199219364452@zeus.tamu.edu> hbr6165@zeus.tamu.edu (harish) writes:
>>

>Please note that I have never used the word victory to describe my
>own posts in this debate.

	If proclaiming "Winning over the discussion or argument" is 
not the same as Victory..? then I am sorry..! I have fixed up the wrong
word... here..

>I am quite surprised.  All I ask anyone who wants to argue with
>me on the subject is this.  Show me *one* dictionary of Arabic
>or *one* lexicon of Arabic grammar which has the Ahmedi inter-
>pretation of the word and I will believe that *one* meaning is
>"best."  Am I being unreasonable?  To the contrary, Mr Noor has
>been claiming all along the the word *never* means "last," in
>spite of a plethora of easily verifiable dictionaries having
>been referred to.

>Can any of the three Ahmedis who have been arguing on the meaning
>of this word even admit that *one* meaning of the word khatam is
>"last"?



	Well! I am not in it..! All I was asking was to reply to the
posting on Khatam of Mr Noor, So that I can learn which is correct
and what is the truth..

>Which article was that?  What did I not reply to convincingly?
>Can you give a reference to the post or are references hard to
>come by even for this?

	Well! Mr. Mubarak, I wish I had the copy of that article..
I don't have one.. If only if Mr. Noor comes forward and reposts 
his article on Khatam, I would appreciate his efforts..
(I am contradicting myself.. In my previous article I had asked
everybody to stop this discussion and Now! I am asking Mr. Noor
to repost his article on Khatam.. Looks stupid.. eh..? 
I wish  every body were like you so that the discussion could 
have continued with decency.)

>>-Harish

>Jamal [the entomological etymologist] Mubarak


-Harish
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Re: aik nasihat
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:53:49 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


Those who have responded to "aik nasihat" have implicitly admitted
that they have been involved in "fazool bahas". Thank you. Salam.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@sarah.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:41:35 GMT

In article <ku6geqINNt4h@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

Assalamoalaikum

	Thanks for your recent attempt to clarify the argument here and
	separate it from the tangents which have arisen.  I'm not sure
	I'm going to continue this discussion because in past arguments
	I've had with people concerning the status of women, I have been
	called a kafir for trying to change "true" Islam.  I would 
	like to respond to the following point you raised in your posting.

>    [I will briefly touch upon this "context" question. Ms. Yasmin
>     at one place tries to restrict the "injunction" to the
>     prophet's household only. It is done on the basis that
>     the addressees were prophet's wives! Does this mean that
>     "ALL" injunctions in Quran which are addressed to (say)
>     Ibrahim are ONLY for Ibrahim and not for us, or those
>     addressed to only specific people are only for those
>     people and not for others! Such "naive attempts" at
>     interpretation would probably leave us with none
>     of the Quran, because the people who were addressed
>     in Quran were specifically those of the 
>     time of Mohaammad!!!!]


	There are many cases where the passages of the Quran were
	addressed directly to the Prophet or members of his household
	which were not applied to others.  For example, the Prophet
	was allowed to have nine wives while the limit on all other
	Muslim men is four.  The wives of the Prophet were not allowed
	to remarry after his death.  The verse in question here 
	specifically declared that the wives of the Prophet were not
	like others.  As I am at work right now and do not have the
	Quran with me I cannot give you an exact quote, however I
	believe the verse pointedly stated that the wives of the
	Prophet were not like other women.  This would seem to imply
	that this is another of the rules which were applicable only
	to the Prophet and his household.  The exact verse has
	been quoted in a previous post of mine in reply to Mr. Jafry.

Khudahafiz

Yasmin
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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 04:45:46 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: **Female Pakstudent and burqa
 <1810@transfer.stratus.com> <ktkm4bINN3ar@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>
 <1840@transfer.stratus.com> <ktnimhINNo8r@crewcut.cs.utexas.edu>
 <AKGOEL.92Apr3120517@plg.waterloo.edu> <92097.05203832JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.ED
 <1992Apr08.202813.61994@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>

Salam Alaikum Subhan Shahid Saheb :

           I am sorry 'Gari guzar chuki hai patri chamak rahi hai'

                                                        Salam.
From: ma230523@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Aga Khan Foundation Info?
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:54:30 GMT
Reply-To: ma230523@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University




	Does any one know if the AGA KHAN FOUNDATION, Karachi has a E-MAIL
	address or anything of the sort?




	Thanks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:24:26 GMT

ignore...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My beliefs; III
Date: 4 Apr 92 10:10:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: engin.AZh+mF-
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Apr3.171902.26119@prism.poly.edu> ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
>
> Here are my beliefs regarding Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
> 
>5. He was NOT prophet. He was true believer of FINAL prophethood 
>   of Muhammad(PBUH). 
   
Without going into too many details can you briefly tell us what
are the bones of contention between the two sects of Ahmedis?  What
are the bases of your belief that the Mirza was not a prophet and
why does the other sect claim something different?


Jamal [still curious] Mubarak
From: mss1@cec1.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed)
Subject: PINK & FLOYD : Naveed Memon, this one's for you!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:35:18 GMT


Naveed Memon writes:

>I know that atleast I enjoy reading what other people listen to and no I dont
>want to read the 2000 articles on alt.rock. So I would hope that the show 
>would go on :)

As long as there is worthy competition, at least I am willing to carry the
show along! It's been fun till now! 

>Shine on you crazy diamonds
The plural confuses me - I thought only one of the 'diamonds' was crazy!!!

>Naveed[btw which one's pink] Memon
Pink is the one who blushes, and surely I ain't blushin'! 

		M         S       S
	  	Merely	  Sans 	  Sanity
From: mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: soc.culture.pa
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:18:52 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

The play is called "No Exit" and it is by Jean Paul Sartre. The author
envisions hell as other people. 
				Saqib Mausoof

Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6599 soc.culture.bangladesh:2475 soc.culture.indian:14562
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: III: Conflict: Causes: Police Brutality
Date: 15 Apr 1992 20:59:06 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <92106.141720DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu (Deepak Srivastava) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.160401.29410@ucunix.san.uc.edu>,
>bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) says:
>
>>The Muslims all over
>>the world, according to the purist Islamic thought, form one
>>nation - and therefore cease to be the nationals of other territorial,
>>cultural or civilizational entities forming nations.
>>
>
>Why muslims only, but all religious fundamentalists with "purist"
>religious thoughts try to form one nation based on their thoughts,
>their beliefs and their ideologies. Muslim, Hindu, Jew and Christian
>fundamentalists are same, every where and in every aspect. Now
>if you can show that all or majority of muslims are muslim fundament-
>alists then only you claim muslims to be exceptional.

The above is not a correct point of view. (i) There is a difference
between the Islamic state and Islamic community. (ii) Muslim citizen
of NON-Muslim countries (nations based on ideology or geography)
are supposed to obey the law of the country of which they are
citizen. (iii) Although they are citizens of other countries they
belong to the community or brotherhood if you will of Muslims.
(iii) How can a Muslim be a "Muslim" (submitting to
Allah) if he doesnot believe and subscribe to the "fundamentals"
of Islam? Would you call a scientist a scientist if he doesnot
believe and subscribe to the fundamentals of "scientific equiry"?
Would a physicist be a physicist who does not subscribe to the
fundamental laws of physics? How can  you ethically and
morally justify the position of one who doesnot believe in
the "fundamentals" of what he says he believes in!!!!!!!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: pan0473@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Test
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:47:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

this is just a test.
From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:25:43 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <12155@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) 
writes:
> Let me try another twist to my original question. The controvesy of the 
hijab
> still exists.  You have begun to investigate into this controversy and 
> vagueness of the hijab and being a product of a different culture, you
> are now able to question its validity. Infact you have found many 
> disadvantages of wearing the hijab and probably even abhor it. All your 
> deligent study of the Quran has now made you into the greatest Islamic 
> scholar that has ever lived on earth. No one knows Islam better than you
> do. What other muslims think is not important to you because you firmly 
> believe that you are the greatest authority on Islam. (Don't equate this
> with egoism. Consider this as a honest  recognition of ones ability). 
> 
> In the course of this investigation, you find that there were certain
> verses that you hadn't read before or other indications in the Quran that
> you were unaware of. These indications/verses suddenly make it clear to 
> you that the Quran infact does mandate the hijab. (Note - this is still 
an
> experiment. I'm not saying that you have not read the whole Quran in 
reality
> and that there might actually be verses to contradict your present 
position
> on the hijab.). No one but you has realized this mandatoriness (sp?) of 
the
> hijab by the Quran. (I have no idea how Quran declares something 
mandatory,
> but the method is not important here. What's important is that, to you, 
it 
> appears as a mandatory injunction by the Quran).
> 
> What would your reaction then be ? Would you immediately forget all 
about 
> the disadvantages of the hijab that you right now take for granted ? 
Would
> you go next day to your office all covered up (you might have a tough 
time
> getting through the security :-) ). 
> 
> (Hope my question is clear enough.)

Do you simply just want the answer to this question?  It doesn't seem like 
it.  What is your point?  Are you trying to start a discussion in general? 
 Or do you want Yasmin's answer in particular?  Do you want to investigate 
a particular muslim's attitude and relationship towards the Quran, or of 
muslims in general?  Are you looking into whether that relationship is 
taking the entire Quran literally for all time, figuratively and subject 
to change in interpretation depending on time or place, or what?  I'm not 
trying to be combatative, just curious.


> regards,
> --
>    ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
>     ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
>    / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
>   /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
> _____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
> E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.

Love your sig!

G
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Burqa
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 05:18:02 GMT




	Khoob Purdah hae kay chilman say lagay baithay hai'n
	saaf ch'hooptay bhee nahi'n saamnay aatay bhee nahi'n


mansoor

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: salman@spike.psc.scarolina.edu
Subject: ***TEST***
Reply-To: salman@spike.psc.scarolina.edu
Organization: Univ of S Carolina College of Sci and Math
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:56:01 GMT

Please ignore, this is only a test...

					-- Fu'ad M. Butt
					-- USC
					-- GO COCKS! (Gamecocks that is!!- our 
					   mascots)
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Curses, Beliefs of Mirza Qadiyani
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:37:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Apr7.211804.28444@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ahsan@field.ecn.purdue.edu (Ahsan Ale-Rasool) writes:
>Mr. Arshad Hussain writes :
> 
>   > Allah's curse on those who hear a rumor and spread it as a fact.
>
>INSHA'ALLAH
>
>
>Mr. Nasir Noor writes :
>
>   > Lana-tullah-e-Allal-Kaz-e-been.
>   > (May Allahs curse be on liar)
>
>INSHA'ALLAH again
>
>
>But Mr. Arshad Hussain says and quotes that Mirza Qadiyani believed that
>there will be no Prophet after Muhammed (P.B.U.H) [No Doubt] while 
>Mr. Nasir Noor says and quotes that Mirza Qadiyani himself said that
>he is a prophet and Mr. Noor believes that Mirza Qadiyani is a prophet.
>Mr. Arshad believes that Jesus was not born without a father while Mr. Noor
>believes that he was.
>
>          Please be clear about the beliefs of Mirza Qadiyani.
>
>          Did Qadiyani say contradictory things that he was both
>          a prophet and not a prophet (i.e believed in the finality
>          of Muhammad's (P.B.U.H) Prophethood?
>
>         Now which one is spreading rumors and which one is lying?
>
>MAY ALLAH's CURSE BE ON THOSE WHO MISQUOTE QURAN (THE WORDS OF ALLAH)
>AND AHADEETH (THE SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) AND ON THOSE
>WHO CHANGE THE ORDERS OF ALLAH.

Dear brother,
   
 Assalam alakum

 I have recently come from Pakistan on scholorship and studying in the
department of Chemical Engineering of Colorado School Of Mines. I want to
change this school and want to get admission in your university. Presently
i am taking following subjects in the spring semester.

  C hemical Kinetics       3 Credit Hrs
  Transport Phenomena      3 Credit Hrs
  Petroleum Process        3 Credit Hrs
  


7 Credit hrs for thesis and 1 credit hr for seminar. I want to know what is
the procedure of your university. Do they accept these credit hrs? i wouuld
be very thankful if you provide me full information as a pakistani brother
. Again if do my MS without thesis do they accept me in their phd programme
because in my school this is not the case.

i will be very thankful and if you need more information please post news
on this circuit . 


                       Ibrahim Mustafa
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:52:46 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: An interesting difference...


Admittedly drawn from a small sample:
Hope no one is offended:

When a devout evangelizing Christian meets a non-believer,
the Christian prays and calls down blessings of God on the
non-believer, in the hope that God's grace will descend on
the non-believer and enlighten him.

...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Saheeh and 'Saheeh' Hdith
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:27:25 GMT

ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:

>>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
>>Subject: Re: ADVENT OF PROMISED MESSIAH (one answer serves all!!)

>>>1).    The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
>>>          "The Mahdi is no other than the Messiah"(Ibn Majah).

>>   Didn't I tell you that Hadiths about Mahdi are contradictory and probably
>>most of them are corrupted/fabricated?

>   >You still lie, and to may Hadiths about Mahdi are still contradictory;
>so >I would still have my claims about you (please, be tolerant).

>>Please note that I had already proved (last year I guess) that Hazrat Mirza
>>Ghulam Ahmed was of persian descent. Can repost if you ask. 



>That is the beauty of YOUR Islam.

>If you do  not want ot listen  the logic , blame HADITH.

   If you want me to repost Hadiths about Mahdi, I will and you can see by
yourself that they are contradictory, and to my knowledge none of them was
narrated by Bukhari, Muslim or Hakim, so they are not Sahih Hadiths.

   [Between me and you, here, I think Shiites played a good role in shaping
those Hadiths. But don't tell anybody!]

   [What logic is it that you want me to listen to? The logic that some
Indian is Jesus Christ? If you can transform that logic to digital logic,
I sure am going to listen.]

**Nabeel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Did this happen to you, too ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:27:00 GMT

In article <2051@transfer.stratus.com>, fmbutt@mrbt.sw.stratus.com (Farooq Butt) writes...
>In article <2291@news.duke.edu> shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:
>>
>>On a flight from Istanbul to New York, I had my (Pakistani) passport 
>>confiscated by the (Turkish) airline, apparently under advice from
>through.  The prcedure has been "requested" by INS since great numbers

>door on Mr.  Mustansar Hussain TharuR and Co.  BTW: didya know that
>you can no longer use an MCI calling card to call Pakistan from Long
>Island, NY because of Mr. TharuR's pals who have been racking up
>"free" calls for the past few years.
	One can't use AT&T calling card either from Ohio. The service was 
terminated because of another `Mustansar Hussain TharuR' who was under 
investigation  by At&T. Now imagine putting quarters worth of $13 or more 
to convey your regards home, price the others had and still have to pay for 
the deeds of someone who is now an executive in a bank in Pakistan.
> 
>fmb
>-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
Asim M Mughal				
"I can't remember anything...
  can't even tell if its true or dream... " 
			- Metallica
[Standard Disclaimer]
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Wisdom of Luqman (was WRATH OF KHAN)
Date: 12 Apr 1992 14:20:03 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr11.041604.22430@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>
>	I am sick and tired of the garbage on s.c.p.
>concerning ahmedi vs. muslim, and burqa vs. no burqa.
>Jeffri and Noor-chashm please move your  crap
>to soc.religon or your personal emails. 
>Since both of you claim to be The Muslim, practice
>"Lakum deen o kum valay-ya-deen"
>
>And same goes for Burqa-Posh and non burqaa people. Enough is enough.
>Jeffri why dont you buy a burqa for yourself? and may be
>try covering your garbage with it.
>
>It has become so boring that.......
>
>Hum hee so ga-ae daastaa'n  "sountay sountay"


By joining in the fray, you have given us a
wonderful oppurtunity of reaping some benefit from
Hakim Luqman's wisdom!!!!


  When Luqman was asked from where he learned his "wisdom"

  He replied "from fools".

So, my dear it would have done a world of good to you
had you simply observed and learned from the mistakes
people were making on s.c.p. 

Why don't you keep quiet and contemplate the benefits
of simply observing the "fools" instead of joining
among them. No wonder "silence" is called another
sign of "wisdom" (and some times, also of, "foolishness")