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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Lovecraft/Barker
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:49:48 GMT

In article <fbtjvcc.kemnitz@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>
>BTW, I read somewhere (maybe here) that there was an additional volume
>out titled *New* tales of the Cthulhu Mythos.  Could someone please
>post Arkham House's mailing address one more ime?  Please?
>
Arkham House Publishers,  Inc.
PO Box 546
Sauk City,  WI 53583
U.S.A.

The volume is indeed entitled _New Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos_ and
was edited by Ramsey Campbell. The cost is about US$ 15

Mark
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Subject: Re: Friday the 13th The Series
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:45:01 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Apr10.211259.16892@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Michael's brother) writes:
>    Okay all you Friday the 13th fans, let's play "Extend the
> Thread".  What was your favorite episode and what was the best
> cursed object IYHO?  My favorite episode would have to be the
> one in which the car radio would send the driver back in time.

	That was a good one, but there were so many interesting
objects, it's very hard to decide!  But I think the best objects were
the ones recovered in the first season--the doll, the Cupid statue,
Jack the Ripper's scalpel, among others.
	So, to extend the thread even more, can anybody remember:
		1. How many times Micki either fell in love with
		   the "enemy," fell under a spell, etc.?
		2. How many times Louis Vendredi returned to terrorize
		   the team at Curious Goods (a question: what was
		   the object he had that Micki and co. tried to
		   recover the first time he returned?)?
		3. The episode where Micki and Ryan were captured and
		   were send to Hell--or some kind of limbo world?
		4. The oddest of the objects--the tree limb "mulcher?"
		   You fed it a body and you got "blood" money?
	Any others?  I'd like to see how good we all are in
remembering some of the above questions/events.  I have to admit that
though it hasn't been that long, it's hard to remember (and here we
don't get the series anymore <sigh>....)
				--Matt
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From: brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Lovecraft/Barker
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:52:03 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr10.165156.23471@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.224436.9044@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>
>>	Ok, here's my 2 cents.  A few people on the net have complained that
>>Lovecraft's writing is cumbersome and/or boring.  Though I disagree, that's
>>just personal preference.
>>	I, however, feel the same for Clive Barker.  I read the first page
>>of Weaveworld 8 times and I still couldn't figure out how many characters
>>...
>
>If you haven't read any of Barker's short horror fiction you might
>give it a try (essentially the six volumes of the _Books of Blood_).
>
>Although I enjoyed Weaveworld, I'd have to class it more as phantasy rather
>than horror (although I realise that the line I might draw between these
>two genres may be more or less arbitrary).

   No, you're right on the money in my opinion.  Barker has really been
moving towards the Fantasy genre in his last several outings.  Damnation
game is the last true horror novel he has written as far as I'm concerned.
(Okay, the extra goodies in Cabal were horrific - but they're part of
the Books of Blood.)

   I like Lovecraft's work a lot, but as far as I am concerned, I
enjoy reading works inspired by his writing more than the stuff
he penned himself.  Case in point, the Arkham volume: Tales of the
Cthulhu Mythos by Lovecraft and Divers hands.  Although the names of
individual contributors in that volume do not come to mind, stories
like "The Space Eaters" and "Sticks" are incredible.  They really
retain the "look and feel" of Lovecraft's work, but are executed
in a much more accessible style.  Opinions?

   By the way, if you haven't had a chance to read the Tales of the
Cthulhu Mythos compilation, I really recommend it.  It is a very
nice tribute to Lovecraft by a number of excellent authors who
were inspired by him.  The artwork is also excellent.

   - larry

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From: quaalude@netcom.com (George Mealer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Witches
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:30:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.pksjzdp.quaalude
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stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
: In article <68@quark.ansto.gov.au>, davidc@quark.ansto.gov.au (David
: Carroll) writes:
: |> 
: |> I'm looking for examples to use in an essay on Witches in Literature and
: |> I'm actually having trouble thinking them up. Either the poor old
: |> witch hasn't been given much serious treatment or I'm missing something.
: |> Can anyone help?
: 
: 
: Many popular horror anthologies will have a story or two that
: involves witches in one way or another.
: 
: Hope this helps,
: Joel Stave
: stave@apollo.hp.com

In that vein, Isaac Asimov (may he rest in peace) put together several
SF/Fantasy anthologies...I believe onee of them concerned witches.  Check
with your local bookstore or library.

--
George Mealer      quaalude@netcom.com

"Only by attempting the absurd can you achieve the impossible."
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: FLAGG AS GUNSLINGER??????
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:55:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Apr.5.00.52.07.1992.5594@andromeda.rutgers.edu> kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West) writes:
>
>	Not to sound thick-headed, but I just looked through this
>	group and saw a post that barely hinted that someone thought
>	Randall Flagg from THE STAND was one and the same as
>	the Gunslinger in THE DARK TOWER. I never thought of this
>	and didn't note any hints towards it, but I don't claim
>	to be the most careful of readers. Anyone care to post
>	their thoughts on this and maybe some evidence? Please!
>	I'd like to hear more on this!
>		
>					-Not Ken West


	Sorry, Tain't true.  In The Drawing of the Three (Dark Tower II),
Roland, the Gunslinger, makes a passing reference to Flagg being the reason
his world "moved on" i.e. was almost destroyed in an apocalypse.  Flagg, he
says, was pursued by two named Thomas and Dennis..

.

Possible Spoilers:























	Thomas and Dennis are the two characters from The Eyes of the Dragon
who pursue a fleeing Flagg to "the Wastelands."  I haven't read the third
book in DT (coincidentally (?) titled the Wastelands), but I suspect King
is planning on elaborating on this in a forthcoming Gunslinger retrospective
volume ("The Wizard in Glass" DT 4 I think).

						Faithful Flagg Fan,
							Raythrax
From: volker@cabal.GUN.de (Volker Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Distribution: alt
Organization: S.P.A.M. (Spam Produktion for All Means)
Subject: Re: Weaveworld (??)
Reply-To: volker@cabal.GUN.de
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:48:34 MET

In <1992Apr10.144837.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu 
writes: 
 ~> is worth reading (some said it resembles Tron in some ways (??)) but ~> 
 ~>ITron? 
Not a bit. But maybe I missed some important thing. =:)

 ~> of what it's about, but is it good?  Comments please...
It's very long. =:) It's about a world that's woven (sp?) into a carpet. 
Then we have the good and the bad. The good is trying to protect the world 
while the bad it trying to posses and control it.

It's nevertheless interesting although a bit boring.

Volker.
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From: ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Mail 'The King' Elsewhere
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:20:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.tnqjhhd.ric
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Marc Kevin Fischer <mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 
>Okay, I bitched before but this time let's just be simply reasonable
>here. As of right now (April 4), I have counted through the messages and out of
>106 on this bboard at the moment, 49 messages are about Steven King
>specifically. If this isn't sufficient reason for a seperate bboard
>devoted solely to this guy than I don't know what is. I'm not going to
>go heavy on quality judgements but I wish people could post info about
>sure to
>be classics like Children of the Corn II somewhere else. If alt.horror
>suddenly became flooded with posts about say...Dario Argento I'd suggest
>the same thing (and also be a lot happier no doubt). That's all. -Marc
> 

If you're not familiar with the workings of a "kill file" and what
it can do for you, I'd suggest you learn.  I'd be happy to help if
you need help.  In the meantime, I'll be ignoring your request.

-- 

"If you're not going to kill me, I've got things to do."
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From: cgrazian@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu (GRAZIANO)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: LOVECRAFT/BARKER
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:04:09 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Apr12.095933.11588@rose.uucp> david.vaughan@rose.uucp (david vaughan) writes:
>...  Finally, I
>would recommend T.E.D. Klein's novella (short novel?) The Children of
>the Kingdom, which can be found in Kirby McCauley's Dark Forces
>anthology and Klein's collection Dark Gods.
>
>David S. Vaughan

Klein's _Dark Gods_ is an excellent collection.  "Children of the Kingdom" has
a Lovecraftian theme although it never actually states that it is in the same
"universe".  "Black Man with a Horn", however, is definitely meant to be in
the Mythos -- the protagonist is an old friend of Lovecraft's.

The collection also has "Nadelman's God", one of the scariest short stories 
I've read.

Definitely recommended for both Lovecraft lovers and haters.

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From: mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Stephen King interview this am
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:58:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QdtmX4W00UhWA22Io8
	<1992Apr9.213102.17174@cobber.cord.edu>
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> 
>In article <cdslAUq00iV1039l5u@andrew.cmu.edu> mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Marc Kevin
> Fischer) writes:
> 
>> 
>>
>>Okay I forgot about the kill function (I'm new here and might need a
>>little help)
> 
>	I would disagree...you need a LOT of help.
> 
>>but it still doesn't excuse the single-mindedness of all
>>these King freaks who post here. I'd think even King fans would be bored
>>of all this and start writing about the ninety billion other writers,
>>directors, artists, etc. whose work falls under the category of horror.
> 
>	90 billion?  Is this sarcasim or are you really this ignorant?
> 
>>But then again with shit like the excerpt from the post below, it's
>>obvious that some people can't think beyond the "fan club" level of
>>interest in a subject or individual. Oh well. 
>>
>>
>	It's also obvious some people shouldn't be reading this newsgroup
>	if they are going to be total idiots.

Obviously you chose to ignore the fact that some people are deeply
concerned with what kind of shoes King wears etc. If this isn't idiotic
than I don't know what is. 

> 
>>>This morning I saw an interview on Good Morning America with Stephen
>>>King.  Joan Lunden interviewed him for a few minutes.
>>
>>Too bad - probably not even enough time to reach an orgasm 
> 
>	No, but i'm sure you and your hand do a pretty good job of it at
>night.
> 
-The Phantom
 
Brilliant retort! 
 
Ahh yes, so once again we have dorks (anyone who goes by Galvatron and
then The Phantom - pre-pubescent fandom crapola - could I think safely
fall into this category) who attack my critical posts (which are in the
minority) yet seem to never post anything tryng to start an original
thread of their own. Contrary to the beliefs of a few, I have recently
posted orignal messages seeking info on Flannery O'Connor and possible
film adaptations, the contrived nature of violence in most films and
it's ineffectiveness, and some commentary on art influences in Jacob's
Ladder, etc. If people are unresponsive, well what can I do? By the way
I actually have greatly enjoyed some books by King (Different Seasons,
Night Shift etc.) so I'm not totally anti. I just with there was a
greater variety of interests here and hitting kill doesn't compensate
for this.
From: v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michelle L. Zafron)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Christopher Lee & John Carridine
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12960008@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen) writes...
>In alt.horror, pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino) writes:

>> Something occured to me the other day and I was wondering if anyone
>> on the net might know the answer. John Carridine appeared in roughly
>> 800 movies during his career, many of them low budget productions. I
>> believe that when Gremlins II was released Christopher Lee appeared as
>> a scientist in the film and it was stated by some movie critics that he
>> had appeared in as many as 1,000 films. Is this an exaggeration? I know
>> he's been in films since 1945.


>>                                        Thanks in Advance, Sal Pastino
>From my trivia books and past memory I believe that Glen Ford made the most
>movies of any american actor.  Over 200.  I do not believe that John 
>Carridine or Christopher Lee made more than him even though Lee was british.
>They may be close since as you say have had hundreds of bit parts in lots
>of movies.  I may be mistaken.   
>lets hear from others.....

Carradine made way more than 200 movies.  I read an article some time ago (mid 
80s, I think) where the figure quoted was in the range of 600.  But Carradine
was in Hollywood when actors were making movies once a month.

Christopher Lee also beats Glenn Ford out.  Although by what amount I'm not
sure.  

>Jeff.....I want a Nightmare which ends all Nightmares!!!!!
--Michelle L. Zafron (v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu)
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Witches
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:50:32 GMT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

In article <68@quark.ansto.gov.au>, davidc@quark.ansto.gov.au (David
Carroll) writes:
> Hi, how are you all?
> 
> I'm looking for examples to use in an essay on Witches in Literature and
> I'm actually having trouble thinking them up. Either the poor old
> witch hasn't been given much serious treatment or I'm missing something.
> Can anyone help?
> 
     "Catmagic" by Whitley Streiber.  The only book of his I could
ever bring myself to finish.
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From: ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: FLAGG AS GUNSLINGER??????
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:34:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund) writes:
>> I believe that there is a Flagg-like character that rescues the Tick-Tock Man
>> near the end of "The Waste Lands". He seems to be an antagonist of Roland and
>> intent on preventing him from fulfilling his quest. 
>> 
>>I cannot remember what the character refers to himself as, bu he gave the same
>> impression of himself as Flagg did in "The Stand", ie - shady memory of his
>> past, healing powers, etc.

>     He called himself "Richard Fannin" if memory serves.  Short-term
>memory, that is.  I just finished the book about a week ago.

King seems to be big on the RF initials (hey! is this a Big Daddy Roth
connection!  Write if you get that one!) for this archetype of his.
This is similar to what Moorcock does with JC characters (Jerry Cornelius,
Jherek Carnelian, Jerry Cornell, etc., and Philip Jose Farmer with is 
Paul Jarus Frigate, and others.  Personally, I like it.

>     Speaking of the "Dark Tower" saga, how would netters rank the
>books in quality?  I found _The_Waste_Lands_ to be the best of the
>three, simply because I finally find myself caring about the
>characters.  _The_Gunslinger_ seemed to be no more than a mishmash of
>ideas King had, and _The_Drawing_of_the_Three_, while better, was
>mostly background information.  I get the impression it's finally
>coming together in King's mind, and it shows in the writing.  IMHOs,
>anyone? 

I agree with your general views, but I think that Gunslinger was 
a different type of book than Drawing or Wastelands.  I actually 
think it was superior, certainly more mood and mystery, and closer
to the Childe Roland feel.  However, I think that King realized
that 1) he wouldn't be able to keep that up for the rest of the
series, and 2) the books would be more accessible/commercial if
brought down a bit.  

I should note that DT1GS was the _first_ King I ever read.  I bought
the hardcover when it originally came out because I'm a real Michael
Whelan fan.  Serendipity. 

-- 

"If you're not going to kill me, I've got things to do."
Ric Bretschneider     ric@netcom.com        BWAH-Ha-ha!
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: King's NEEDFUL THINGSREAD/NEW
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:22:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr11.232208.3754
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In <1992Apr11.032849.295@mala.bc.ca> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:

>> 
>> PS:  My choice, by the way, would be James Mason.  A little old, I know, but
>> he'd be great.  (Picture it:  James Mason uttering the line, "Fee-late me!
>> You heard me!  Gobble my crank!"  I can actually see it...)
>> 
>
>A little old!?  Didn't James Mason die last year?  He would need a hell of
>a lot of makeup and a puppeteer before he could play much of anything.

You're absolutely right! James Mason did pass on to the great stage in the
sky. The place where all thespians of note....oh, excuse me. He's dead.
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: The Flagg thread ......
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:11:33 GMT
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In article <_pqj!pf.ric@netcom.com>, ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider) writes:
> v079kku8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Yes, it's Bond, James Bond.) writes:
>
>
> >     Once and for all, lets make a compilation of all the books, novels,
> >novellas, or short stories that have a Flagg-type character:
>
> >             1) The Stand
> >             2) The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger
> >             3) The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands
> >             4) Eyes of the Dragon
>
> I don't know that I would agree with 2.  Walter was kinda borderline.
> I would add Needful Things, Gaunt was a mesmer, a healer (heh, heh,
> heh), and a "leader of men and women."

I would agree with 2 because Walter mentions that he works for Flagg
or something like that. In fact, there have been several questions about
this, so I'm gonna go look up the exact quote when I leave the lab
tonight.

Misti
From: mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Flannery O'Connor
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:51:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UdsuA6S00WBOA9k1lk
	<ewf2.702765697@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Anyone out there aware of films that might exist based on stories by
Flannery O'Connor? I have seen "Wiseblood" directed by John Huston and
am curious if any other works by this amazing and underappreciated (on
this often schlock-ridden bboard) writer have been adapted into film.
All info would be greatly appreciated. Maybe Mr. Eric can provide help.
Thanks - Marc  
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 10:56:46 -0400 
From: Marc Kevin Fischer <mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mail 'The King' Elsewhere
	<QdrbBIC00WBLQ5M1Bw@andrew.cmu.edu>

 
Okay, I bitched before but this time let's just be simply reasonable
here. As of right now (April 4), I have counted through the messages and out of
106 on this bboard at the moment, 49 messages are about Steven King
specifically. If this isn't sufficient reason for a seperate bboard
devoted solely to this guy than I don't know what is. I'm not going to
go heavy on quality judgements but I wish people could post info about
sure to
be classics like Children of the Corn II somewhere else. If alt.horror
suddenly became flooded with posts about say...Dario Argento I'd suggest
the same thing (and also be a lot happier no doubt). That's all. -Marc