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From: bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen)
Subject: Re: Milk price
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.141429.7550@danbo.bg>, daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev) writes...
>peter@itnux2.cineca.it (Peter Yovchev) writes:

>: This is the free  internal money market exchange rate.
> 
>No, there is NO such thing as free exchange rate in Bulgaria. The
>rate is defined and -controlled- by the National Bank. There is no way
>for anyone to open their own bank, without the approval (read:
>control) of the government. As a matter of fact, this is true in any
>other country.

It's true that the Bulgarian National Bank has SOME control over the
exchange rate (e.g., by selling or buying foreign currency). So does the
central bank in any other country. But it seems to me, BNB has no more
administrative control (as it used to have), e.g., by declaring arbitrarily
the exchange rate according to someone's wishes. I think this was the point 
of Peter Yovchev.

> 
>Let me explain how this "freedom" works: If you are private person,
>you can buy from the bank (usualy a state bank, although there are
>exceptions recently) up to an fixed amount foreign currency per year.
>Before it was $50/year, I hear it is higher now, but still, it is limited. 

I think it's the equivalent of BGL 10,000 which currently is USD 400.
Besides, one can buy as much currency as he needs for study or medical
treatment abroad. So I think THE problem of individuals is not how to
buy hard currency but rather how to make enough Bulgarian leva.

>When you leave the country, you should present a valid
>document (issued in a *BANK*), that you are authorized to "export" the
>currency (note, nobody cares that you own it). 

Peter (I think) has mentioned a way around it: you open an account, put your 
currency there for a night and then make a withdrawal getting the required 
paper. I know it's inconvinient, but still possible. And the operation costs
almost nothing (opening an account with Balkanbank used to cost BGL 2 = $ 0.08, 
closing cost nothing).

>Our company exists
>since 1989, from during the "communist regime", and I should tell you
>that the procedure is exactly the same. 

Some things change more slowly than the regime. However, it seems it's not
due to the communists, which was the point of the original posting.

>Even if you have tons of
>foreign currency on your accounts, you cannot do a bank transfer
>without a valid contract, which makes sometimes advance payment a
>headache.

Does one know what are the penalties for Bulgarian companies having an account 
abroad ? Is that possible ? It used to be forbidden, is it still so ?

Best regards,

Plamen
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abstractor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Computer Viruses Conference in Varna
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:00:59 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Dear Daniel:

I have reposted the info about the conference in Varna to comp.society.
cu-digest. I apologize for doing so without asking for your permission,
but you're hard to reach by e-mail -:)

A.
From: sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: MILK PRISE
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:56:59 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
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In article <17DEC199215162977@jane.uh.edu> chemae@jane.uh.edu (Todorov, Stanislav S.) writes:
>In article <92351.184303ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...

>For a while now I have been reading the writings of <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>with a feeling of resigned amusement -- like, you know this guy is, well..
>interesting.  I even tried to joke about it on the net.  

>After some more of these, however, I realized that this is also read by 
>other people, some foreigners, who have never been to Bulgaria, don't know
>what the situation is, and may take it for the real thing.  So I shall try
>to post a few facts. [...]

I disagree with your solution.  This person is a crackpot, and his type is
common on the net.  After fifteen years of experience on the net myself, I
have learned that the best solution to these types of postings is to ignore
them completely, no matter how tempted one is to reply.  To engage him in
rational discussion implies that his viewpoint is rational and worthy of
discussion.

I have received email from ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET which I though was very
insulting to Bulgaria, Bulgarian history, and the Bulgarian people.  This
person is not your friend.

As an aside, I recipe I often make is "Greek Salad," which is:

1 basket cherry tomatoes
1-2 cucumbers
1 red onion
	all chopped up, with
2/3 kilo feta [Greek Goat]
1/8 liter olive oil
1/2 lemon juice
	(warning -- I just now converted this to metric...)

The last time I made this, the grocery was out of feta [Greek Goat], so
I bought feta [Bulgarian Sheep] instead.  The feta [Bulgarian Sheep] was
much, much better!  Perhaps this is really a Bulgarian recipe.

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 23:40:28 EST
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: The magic word 2

I was surprised that with so many problems ahead of me, the main question

I was asked by the Bulgarian comrades here in the red Bronx was "Are you

against the Jews or for the Jews?".  I said to myself "wait a minute, I haven't

hardly seen several Jews in my life, why should I give statement on issue I am

completely unaware of?" and I prefered to stay neutral.

"Mqlchanieto e znak na sqglasie" iztqlkuvaha drugarite i pak stanah CHIFUT.

Later I undersood what caused the antisemaitism of the Bulgarians in the Bronx.

The reason for their antisemitism is very simple.  The Bulgarian communists

have invested money in buildings in the Bronx.  They are renting these building

s and make good living on the profits.  Someone have to mantain these buildings

however, to paint, to clean, to repair etc..  The labor in America is expensive

they need slaves and the new emigrants are the their easy victims.  By forcing

them into antisemitism they alienating them from the most powerfull comunity in

NYC.  Other words through antisemitism they nail them for life time to the

communist properties in the Bronx.  $30 a day hard work.  That's it.  Go back

to Bulgaria to work for $1 a day if you don't like it here.  So the antisemitis


is the last invention of the communism.   It didn't work with me.  So the

comrades made me again FASCIST.  Dear comrades I felt already part of the Jew-

ish community and all of the sudden you took it away from me.  GOLYAMA SVIRKA

DUMA NYAMA.  Ama drugari oshte po golyama shte ya napravite ako se hvanete za

palcite.


ps

Predi deveti komunistite bili 2 vida idealist i lentyai.

sled deveti komunistite sa otnovo 2 vida hitreci i tqpaci.

hitrecite se nakradoha zdravo i se chupiha.  Tqpacite stoyat i im plushti

chervenoto zname v tikvata i im kurkat chervata i se klanyat na portreta na

drugarya Stalin.

Moj mili kritikaru drugaru ti mi se vizhdash ot hitrite.  Parite ti mozhe bi ne

sa v Shvejcaria a v Deutshe bank ili v CITY BANK. Edno e sigurno che the ne sa

v GOS bank (USSR) ili v Bqlgarskata Narodna Banka, zashtoto tam nyama nishto,

spored kakto sochi naukata.


Haide sega da my kazhem edno Mary Christmas, che naposledqk vsichki partijni

secretary i milicionery stanaha popove.  Priemi go kato "Zdrave zhelaem

drugaru nachalnik"

Kakto dobre se predstavyash, mozhe da te izberem za Partien secretar na

soc.culture.bulgaria
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Why Macedonia - Part I - 1), 2) and 3) - again
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:54:59 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Dec11.034506.10733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>I just wanted to add two more points on Luben's article.

OK. I still have a rather different opinion and knowledge on the issues
raised by you, but the subjects are already irrelevant to the original
article/discussion (i.e talks on pan-Turkism/Slavism/Hellenism) so I'd be
glad to provide them in private mail, if you wish to (or others wish it).

Thanks for the space/time,

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Re: Milk price
Organization: Digital Systems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:53:41 GMT

gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
:  I've been drinking Thrakia for quite a long time now. It has a favourable
:  Quality/Price ratio for my income range.

Not to disappoint you, but experts say that Trakia is not the best
representation of the Bulgarian wine. Unfortunately, I have not heard
of anything else available in USA.

By the way, what is better apparently depends of the climate of your
location. You can hardly resist to drink tea in Russia, or beer in Germany.
Or orange juice in Tunisia...

Just a personal opinion... I prefer Shardonay (sp?) when I am in Varna.

Daniel
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Why Macedonia - Part I - 1), 2) and 3) - again
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:57:53 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Dec11.200433.13345@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.034506.10733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>
>>I completely agree. If we talk about Turkey today in our countries
>>and we try remember the negative past is, to my opinion, because
>>today's Turkey DOES have expansionist dreams. If you check how they
>
>There is a Turkish proverb that says it is possible to drive a man crazy
>by having 40 people tell him he is...

Yes - Bulgarians were told in schools how "bad" they were and now - from
British, French and German sources, we can find out that we were neither so
bad, nor have we ever behaved in such a barabaric way as others did. But
the '40 times saying' is exactly what has happened for 40 + 5 +- ? 3 years
in Bulgaria :-(

>shoe has been on the other foot.  We too have our horror stories but who
>would benefit from the continued hatred that would occur if we brought
>up our children on hate and fear?  

At least you know them ...

>regards,
>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

Likewise

Luben

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From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Private FM stations
Summary: The first private radio stations in Sofia are operating
Keywords: Radio Tangra, FM+, Expres
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:06:34 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

Here is what I learned from my brother on the telephone yesterday:

Radio Tangra, owned and operated by Kiril Marichkov (Shturcite) and Kosyo
Markov (Tangra), is finally broadcasting in Sofia on 96.7 FM. It is amazing
(for me, at least) that in June K. Marichkov set the expected date for this
to happen to late December. Is this a sign that things are changing in BG
and deadlines start to have some meaning?

Anyway, "Tangra" is mainly musical radio station, with occasional news bits
and ads. It is supposed to broadcast around the clock, but for now it
operates only from 6am till midnight. Two of the regular shows are "Jazz"
and "Talk Rock Abrasive" (for heavy metal and beyond).

When asked why the name is "Tangra" and not "Shturcite", Kiril Marichkov
said that while Shturcite are probably more famous, their name needs a
translation when used abroad. "Tangra" does not have this problem, because
it is a name.

When announcing the next title to be played, the DJ's usually precede the
name of the artist or group by titles, such as : Geroite na
socialisticheskiya trud Dire Straits (or Bee Gees), Narodnite deyateli na
kulturata Chicago, etc.

FM+ received the broadcasting rights and wave lengths (94.9 FM) at the same
time Tangra did (this summer). It looks like they will be more of a Top 40
station. They too don't broadcast during the night.

Express is associated with Petwr Gyuzelev and Kostantin Atanasov (both from
Shturcite). I don't know whether they own it, or just work there. They are
the only one so far who broadcast during the night, by retransmitting Radio
Luxembourg. They are famous for their "Sandman" (Swnchoto na Ekspres).
During the day their Sandman calls the station from some public place and
tells where he is at the moment. In 2-3 minutes he leaves the place, but if
somone comes to him diring this time and tells him "You are the Sandman of
Express", they will win a small prize (e.g. a cake from Lucciano's). 

Express broadcasts on 103.6 FM. And for the "Shturcite" fans - Vladimir
Totev is working with Radio Tangra.

That's for now,

-Vassil
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: ivan@marvin.et.tudelft.nl (Ivan Sadinski)
Subject: Re: Why Macedonia - Part I - 1), 2) and 3)
Originator: ivan@marvin.et.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dep. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:23:23 GMT


In article <1992Dec9.235728.8089@wuecl.wustl.edu> a greek friend writes:
> 
>-  Let me clarify something: the greeks feel that the share of e.g. Macedonia
>  taken during the Balkan wars is perfectly fair, and indeed corresponds 
>  roughly to the greek proportion of the greater area according to the
>  [stuff deleted]

But Bulgaria did not get her fair share. Another greek netter, Gregory 
Dandulakis, in his reply to Luben under the same subject tells us that it was
not only Bulgarians that suffered, but greeks did suffer terribly also. So in 
a seemingly objective manner he opposes what he calls victimization propaganda 
or something like that in the original posting of Luben (I don't think that the
exact words will make a point here).

But greek friends, imagine for a moment that we got our fair share and you did
not. And me telling you: hey guys, take it easy, we all suffered... A good test
for our tolerance (or oblivion), isn't it. I don't know of any place within 
present days bulgarian borders that has paralleled the fate of Kukush/Kilkis 
for instance.
Just a remark, I won't get involved in a dispute who did what attrocities
and how much. It is only natural to be the ardent peacekeeper after getting a 
good share.
===========

BTW, netters, don't you appreciate that praise of the virtues of 
the Ottoman empire that Serdar Argic advocates in his postings? It could even
make one feel sorry for leaving the good wing of the Sultan. Since then we
only suffered. But Serdar, could you please focus more specifically
on the prosperous fate of the bulgarians in the Ottoman empire, since that of
the jews fails to appeal on me. I mean it's been their problem.

Have a nice day all,
	Ivan Sadinsky.
From: marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: RFE/RL daily Report 17 Dec
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:55:53 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au

KOZLODUY TO START UP ANOTHER REACTOR. One of the smaller, older
reactor units at the Kozloduy nuclear power plant will soon be put
back on line, the chairman of the Bulgarian Atomic Energy Committee
announced on 15 December. Yanko Yanev told Reuters that the
440-megawatt second unit would be restarted in a matter of days,
following approval by foreign experts who recently visited the
plant. International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman David Kyd 
toldRFE/RL that agency experts are not entirely satisfied with the
safety of the reactor but that they feel Bulgarians have acted "to
the best of their ability." Kyd said the IAEA recognizes Bulgaria's
need to resume operation of the unit in order to limit power
shortages during the winter.  (Kjell Engelbrekt, RFE/RL, Inc.)
From: marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: RFE/RL Daily Report 16 Dec
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:55:12 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au


ZHELEV ASKS MRF TO FORM BULGARIAN CABINET. On 15 December
Bulgarian President Zhelyu Zhelev asked the Movement for Rights
and Freedoms, the predominantly Turkish party that makes up the
third largest parliamentary caucus, to try to form a government,
BTA reports.  Spokeswoman Sherife Mustafa confirmed earlier
statements that the MRF will negotiate with the UDF to create a
coalition cabinet, but MRF Chairman Ahmed Dogan said there would
also be consultations with the BSP and parties not represented in
the present parliament.  Dogan rejected the possibility of MRF
forming a minority cabinet.  In the meantime, Edvin Sugarev,
deputy chairman of the UDF parliamentary group, announced his
resignation in protest over renewed UDF attempts to negotiate with
the MRF. (Kjell Engelbrekt, RFE/RL, Inc.)

RESCHEDULING BULGARIA'S DEBT. According to a Paris Club press
release on 15 December, an agreement has been reached between
Bulgaria and its 14 creditor nations. Western agencies say that
government creditors are satisfied with Bulgaria's economic reform
program and have therefore agreed to rescheduling the debt
payments over ten years, including a six-year grace period.  The
agreement covers Bulgaria's $2 billion debt to government
creditors; another $8.5 billion is owed to private banks.  (Kjell
Engelbrekt, RFE/RL, Inc.)
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 22:51:16 EST
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: The magic word

It always sounded strange to me, when someone was labeled FASCIST in BG.

Obviously no body seemed to know the meanining of the word, neither me.  All

we know was that it is something very, very bad and was sign that the comrades

have lost temper.

After I left BG the picture began to clear.  There is something that in BG

simply we are not aware of: the existance of the culture and power of the Jews.

What the ordinary BGns don't know is very well known for the communists,

because these nice comrades have apartments in the best areas of New York City

that is the biggest Jewish city on the Earth.  They are very well aware of the

power of the Jews and they love to flatter the stronger.  Remember how they

used to say "tovarishchi, bratushki" and silaiva was leaking from their mouths.

Of course they didn't love the Russians, if they do so, why they live now in

America and West Europe but not in Russia???

Every one who know the Jews know how mad they become of the words FASCIST, NAZI

GERMAN, etc.   So here is why the dear comrades used the label Fascist

to flatter the Jews.  Labeling someone Fascist they want to say "Please dear

Jews help me to kill my enemies, despite the fact that they are no Fascists

I will be obidient your servant."  S drugi dumi drugarya pravi svirki na prost

Bqlgarski kazano.  Unfortunately the Jews are not among the nations that can

be fooled easily and are famous with having mental abilities.

Here I will ask drugarya comrade antifascist savior of the Jews, why they were

so nice in 1967 to educated Bulgarian kids with the word "chifut" on their

newspaper "Stqrshel" right after the war between Israel and Arabian states

started.  Why anti Izrael propaganda pounded the Bulgarian public from every

communist media?  At that time, you dear comrade used to call me CHIFUT

MRQSNA EVREISKA SVINYA because my grand father used to have a store.  How

the guy that was FASCIST became overnight CHIFUT?  You are really engenious

dear comrade remember in the 80's how you used to label me again AGENT OF

MOSSAT.  Why?  May be because I didn't like my country to be shelter for

your brothers from Asia and Afrika, while Interpol was looking for them

for terrorist atacks all over the world.

Finaly I left the communist Paradise and came to NYC.  All of the sudden
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: penev@venezia (Penio Penev)
Subject: Re: Balkan political habits
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:52:08 GMT
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Bliznakov, Plamen (bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu) wrote:
: The chief of Bulgarian security (which is under presidential command)
: gen. Brigadir (Brigo) Asparuhov and the spokesman of the Bulgarian president
: Mr. Valentin Stoyanov were poisoned (not lethally, fortunatelly). 

I wonder what has been their political behaviour lately. And what
about gen. Asparouhov's position ( the spokesman is not allowed to
have a position himself) on the MFR forming a government (for
example).

-- Peni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: peter@itnux2.cineca.it (Peter Yovchev)
Subject: KOLEDNO POZDRAVLENIE
Organization: (none) (standard disclaimer applies)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:18:03 GMT

Na vsichki chitateli na soc.culture.bulgaria pojelavam vesela Koleda
i Chestita Nova Godina.

Az sqm shtastliv che shte moga da prekaram praznicite v Bqlgariya,
na vsichki, koito sa dalech ot doma pojelavam zdrave,radost i shtastie
prez idnata godina.

Predi nyakolko meseca Niki Mehandjiev beshe zapochnal da publikuva kalendar
s po-vajnite imenni dni, no yavno naposledqka nyama vreme, zatova shte se
opitam da si spomnya po-vajnite prez idniya period, ne se sqrdete ako sqm 
propusnal nyakogo:

24.12. Bqdni vecher - Gencho, Genka, Evgeni, Gancho i t.n.
25.12. Rojdestvo - Hristo,Hristina
26.12. II-den na Koleda- Yosif
28.12. Stefanovden - Stefan, Stefana, Stefka, Stoyan, Stoyanka i t.n.
 1.01. Nova Godina - Vassil,Vasilka,Veselin, Veselina i t.n.
 6.01. Yordanovden - Yordan, Yordanka
 7.01. Ivanovden - Ivan, Ivanka, Ivo, Iva i t.n.

Na vsichki imennici pojelavam vsichko nay-hubavo.


To all readers of soc.culture.bulgaria :


 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

 Heureux Noel et Bon Anne' !

 Felice Natale e Buon Cappodanno !

 Frohliche Weihnachten und Ein Gluckliches Neues Jahr !


s pozdrav 

Petqr Yovchev
From: marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: RFE/RL Daily Report 14 Dec
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:15:41 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au

UDF CONFERENCE ACCEPTS COALITION FORMULA. On 13 December, although
it imposed a number of specific conditions, the Union of Democratic
Forces accepted the idea of a coalition government with the mainly
Turkish Movement for Rights and Freedoms, Bulgarian and Western
agencies report. At a national conference, a two-thirds majority of
the 270 UDF delegates supported renewed negotiations with the MRF,
which is next in line to try to form a new cabinet. According to
the resolution, the UDF demanded the transfer of the Bulgarian
counterintelligence service from the Presidency to the government
and guarantees that the MRF will not try to bring about a
substantial revision of recent legislation or suddenly defeat the
coalition. A UDF government was brought down jointly by the MRF and
Socialist Party on 28 October.  (Kjell Engelbrekt, RFE/RL, Inc.)
BULGARIAN PARLIAMENT APPROVES ENERGY CREDITS.  Energy problems
continue to plague Bulgaria. On 11 December BTA reported that the
legislature, at the request of acting prime minister Filip
Dimitrov, approved an economic credit package of 1.6 billion leva
($65 million) for thermal power plants and the coal-mining
industry.  The move will allow the energy industry to pay off
outstanding debts, and it appears that a rate hike for consumers
has been averted as winter sets in. (Duncan Perry, RFE/RL, Inc.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria