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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: I was wondering....
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:29:42 GMT

In article <19vnlbINN571@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
>
>Bit of poetry I wrote once, I've got here. Wanted to know what you all thought
>of it. I realize it's tilted way over towards the Christian (in general,
>not fundie or Catholic or anything in particular), but I was thinking it
>vaguely resembled something that might go well here... would you mind,
>terribly, looking at it and telling me what you think?
>
>Thanks.

[lovely poem deleted]

And it was truly lovely. But I think I'd disagree that it was tlited toward
the Christian. I think it's applicable to most of us. Anyone who feels that
there is more to life than simply discontinuing at the end of it would feel
some empathy with your poem. That includes non-Christians too. For me, it's
the concept of Yin and Yang, the dark and the light, the night and the day.
These are all part of a whole, and death, for me, is just another gate to
another phase of being. 

Thanks for sharing that.

Bb

Corun


-- 
===========================================================================
    Corun MacAnndra    | To sit with a pretty woman for an hour seems like
  Dark Horde by birth  | a minute. To sit on a hot stove for a minute seems
    Moritu by choice   | like an hour. That's relativity. --  A. Einstein
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:19:35 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00040-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <1992Sep28.235701.26454@ncsu.edu>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
|> Janis and I were talking about how invisible we sometimes feel in groups of men.
|> Some of them act as if unless you speak in a bass voice, wear slacks, and
|> have that appendage between your legs, the words that come out of your mouth
|> haven't been spoken.

Very nice poem!

I usually don't feel invisible around men.  They pay attention to me.
My problem is that many do not take me seriously.  Or they pretend
to so I'll go out with them.

|> We had a secretary at work once who insisted that any woman who didn't keep
|> her nails filed and polished (which she did at work) was just lazy.  I wanted
|> to punch the bitch.

Yeah, I've known a few.  I kind of feel sorry for them though.  I wish
I could show them that one does not have to spend one's time doing
nails and things to make them feel worthy.  It is one thing when one
just does her own, but I have the feeling that people who try to make
others follow their own dress patterns really want to think that
there are others like them and are resentful of those who do more
than just fingernails.
-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: birth sign
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:05:13 GMT

My birthday is March 25, 1974. Can someone who is up on astrology tell me
anything interesting 'bout that? (I'll look up my astrological signs in
the library.) I'm an Aries--fire sign--which is accurate about half the
time. The other half I'm definitely Earth and should probably belong to
Libra or something.
			Rosaleen
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: updates please
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:37:23 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <6318@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>
>Yes, I got asked that by every Alexandrian that (I knew that I ) met.
>Like some sort of Apostolic Succession, or something... I think the
>theory goes that some Covens refused Further Training by Saunders (the
>Farrars mention that they did this) and are thus slightly heretical.
>Hence the insistence on tracing who initiated you, and who initiated
>*them*, and so on...

 Actually, from my experience as an initiated Gardnerian/Protean, it is
done more to see if you are of the "family" or not. I never saw anyone I
worked with call a non-Gardnerian, etc. initiate a non-Wiccan but we
wouldn't share materials from our BOS with someone unless we could vouch
they come from an establised line. Power (a difficult concept at times) of
a sorts is thought to flow through the various
Gardnerian/Alexandarian/English Traditional lines with differences between
the lines. A self initiated Gardnerian, Neo-Gardnerian, or anyone of
another Tradition is considered a valid Wiccan/Witch but they are not the
same and don't "carry" the power (this is not ability but the specific
energy so to speak of a line) of your line or another ET's line. 

 This is just what I was taught by my HP and what has also been told to me
by other English Traditional HP's and HPSs (Kingstone and others).

Also, there are more than a few things in the Gardnerian BOS and tradition
that either haven't ever been published or are not written down and are
only passed orally and have not been published.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:37:39 GMT

In article 19173@s1.gov, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
 
 
> Zeus kills Typhon
> Apollo kills Python
> Perseus kills Medusa (?)
> Thor kills Midgard
> Indra kills Vrtra
> 
u forgot one .. actually 2 
Perseus kills Kraken
Hercules killed the Hydra...

 Steve C.



Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Subject: Re: another poem
Originator: blchapma@c00466-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:11:31 GMT


In article <1af8n8INNhmc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
|> But I've always wondered about that. So many people talk about being made
|> to feel uncomfortable about their gender, I'm just wondering if I'm simply
|> going through life stomping all over everything and not noticing. My
|> boyfriend told me the other day that I was very much male- not physiologically!
|> B-) Just in the way I acted- I was forthright, I didn't try to hide my
|> opinions (this means I make loud obnoxious comments during Terminator 2),
|> I wouldn't let people push me around... is this normal? Not to notice
|> when people don't like you, or are unpleasant about you? I'm not planning
|> to change it, or anything, but is it something bad? Just curious.

I guess it isn't abnormal or anything.  I just never had the chance to not
notice when people disliked me.  Because they started out so blatantly
at such a young age, I learned the subtleties very very quickly.
I am sure there were times when someone might have liked me, but I 
was so paranoid by then, that I thought they must be plotting something
behind their smile.  At least now that it's all over with, I can look
back and say that I've learned how to better read people's intentions.
I don't always get it, but I'm not as naive as I could have been had
I not gone through such a tumultous childhood.

I don't think what you are is bad (definitely not your attitude from
what I can tell).  Sometimes it's a blessing not to notice other
people's dislike either.  Sometimes that ignorance of others' feelings
can be used against you though, and you could be more easily hurt.

I don't think it would hurt to try to become more aware of things
because I don't particularly believe the saying "ignorance is bliss",
but since I haven't had the chance to experience that type of ignorance,
it is hard for me to experience your not noticing.

But then again, maybe you notice more than you think you do, but
you subconsciously use your strong personality to best deal with
the situations you encounter.

You could try a few experiments perhaps.
-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
************************************************************
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:32:48 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <5306@gold.gvg.tek.com>, conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten) writes:
> I don't have any spiritual respect for any Being (supernatural or
> otherwise) who feels the need to be worshipped.  As far as I'm concerned,
> any Being who has a need to be worshipped has some sort of psychological
> problem and therefore is certainly not worthy of worship.  QED.
> 

	This reminds me of a movie with Dudley Moore a friend told me about.
Moore's character dies, and goes to Hell. Of course, he asks the Devil why
he'd rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. The Devil instructed Moore's
character to worship him. He did so for several minutes, then stopped. 'No,
continue' said the Devil. Moore's character continued on, and then finally
stopped and said 'This is boring'. The Devil leaned forward and said 'Exactly'.

                           
Brandon Cope
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: night and winter
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:41:42 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Sep28.205337.19224@ohm.york.ac.uk> lgt1@ohm.york.ac.uk (Laurence Tyler (Guest - CompServ)) writes:
>
>I feel I am much more alive in autumn and winter, particularly on
>frosty mornings. I love to be out with the freezing air making my
>face zing and grass crunching underfoot. Early autumn (round about
>now) can be particularly beautiful I find, with the morning mists
>hanging in the air, cobwebs laden down with crystal droplets,
>wonderful organic things going on in the decaying leaves and strange
>fungi popping out all over the place...

	Definately.

	I'm not much of a night-time person myself.  Perhaps that comes
from being a student in an urban environment where there's always so much
glaring noise and light at night.  As a student I end up having to function
at night, because that's the society I'm in!
	But dawn is my favorite time.  I always miss it, but I like dawn
best.
	And fall mornings rule.  Frisk air, crackling frost, leaves glowing
like a forest of coals.  A breath of woodsmoke.  Ah, that is to be alive.

	Winter too.  I'm not much of one for dark, but I like some good
cold and snow.  Those bright high-pressure days after a storm when there's
not a cloud in the sky.

Cheers,
Carl

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Carl Edlund Anderson	            	"Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt vapn
canders@isr.harvard.edu			at manni at eigi hafi vidh kommit."
OR
anderso2@husc.harvard.edu			- Skarphedhinn Njalsson 
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman)
Subject: Comments on: LIBER CHAOS by Peter Carroll
Keywords: liber null, liber chaos, chaos magick
Organization: Nexus
Distribution: alt.pagan, alt.evil, alt.magick
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:08:30 GMT

Peter Carroll has a recent book out called "Liber Chaos."  Has anyone
read it and, if so, what are you comments about it?

Lacking any reviews I suppose I'll just buy it and read it myself but,
being
a relative newbie, I'm not sure my review would be valuable as that of
a more experienced individual.

Regards,

         John
From: hulda@eagles.uucp (Hulda Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <flame risk HIGH>
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:40:31 GMT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

> 
>  Hulda, if you'd actually been following the threads of the fucking
> conversation, you would know they were talking about the Teutonic Knights,
> who were bastards working to Christianize Europe.
> 
>  Please keep your temper in reign until your mind catches up. You are
> making a fool of yourself and our religion.
> 

> Wassail,
> Grendel
> 

Well I must apolgise, I haven't been following the conversation.
Just recently we acquired a 'puter that would gain access to the bbs's.
And I admitt, my first postings leave alot to be desired. The opinions
expressed by me are purely my own. They were never intended to reflect the
opinions of Asatru or Eagles Reaches. And I regret the impact they seem to 
have had on both. I feel that anything that might be posted either now or
in the future will be cast under that dark shadow already hanging over my
head, so therefore I am removing myself form this bbs. 
Please disreguard any other postings I have made. As I feel anything attached
to my name would probably do more harm than good.  I would at this time
agree with your expressions on Teutonic Knights but it would be for naught.
As would any comments as to what you have done concerning Asatru.

                                             I go in peace,
                                                Hulda
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Generic term for the divine etc.
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:26:44 GMT
	<2OCT199216354386@rosie.uh.edu>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I had a school teacher that use to use the term HP for Higher 
>Power.  She use to talk about "good ole HP".
> 
>Tammy
 
HPL?

Sorry, couldn't resist :)


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:24:55 GMT
	<1992Oct2.204756.29056@ncsu.edu>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>King Diamond also says he's a Satanist.  Candlemass seems like they're
>something (I've heard that they might be Christian, but they certainly
>aren't "typical" if they are).  Ronnie James Dio is a Taoist I believe,
>and Yngwie J. Malmsteen has a library of occult books and wears
>a pentagram necklace and his music seems to reflect these interests.
> 
>That's more from the heavy metal side for today....
>-- 
> 
>Bekki Lyn

King Diamond Satanist? This is interesting; I've listened to K.D. for a
while (bought his last album "The Eye") and it seems to me that he's
only opposed to corrupt Christians, not Christianity in general. That
bit about RJD being a Taoist sounds very likely, though.

"Hanging from the cobwebs in your mind,
Looks like a long, long way to fall.
No one ever told me life was kind,
I guess I've never heard it, never heard it all.
Living in a world of make-believe,
I can hide behind what's real.
But wearing your emotions on your sleeve
and we all know what you feel
    And here it comes again,
    Straight Through the Heart"  --RJD


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: beginners need help
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:46:11 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:

> Has anyone worked with Shekhinah Mountainwater's new book, _Ariadne's
> It's supposed to be something of a workbook, and it looks good at firs
> I was thinking about beginning work on it at Samhain, and would welcom
> opinions about whether or not it would be a wise use of my time.
>
i am using it, and absolutely LOVE it.  whether that measn you would
want to read it or not depends, i suppose...

                                             -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:28:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <1adcrnINNn95@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>What's the consensus on this
>net?  -- Robert

Concensus?!  

Well, I think some non-Wiccans get reincarnated as well as some Wiccans.  I
have no idea if everyone does (and no proof that anyone does).   


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: a beginners thanks
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:43:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

I have been lurking on this topic for a couple of weeks.  I am grateful for
the many varying answers to my question on Witches or Wiccans and death,
and the suggested reading materials.  I have felt attracted to Wicca, but
until Cathi died, didn't feel compelled to do more than read the books she
gave me.  Since she died a year ago I have felt a huge gap in my life that
I couldn't identify (except that I missed her terribly) until I started
reading this newsgroup.  Most of the people on this board sound as kind and
loving and gentle as Cathi was.  And strong too!!  I have started reading
and practicing what I am reading and find myself coming back to life in a
way.  And feeling that gap close somewhat.  I just wanted to thank you all
and I look forward to sharing more and learning more from you all.

Blessed be
Nancy
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: alt.pagan get-together
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


	I'm trying to figure out a good place for a New England alt.pagan
get-together. Would those of you who live in New England and would like to
participate, please e-mail me? (I'm not suggesting we do a magickal
get-together--it'd just be nice for some of us to meet face-to-face.) Also,
I can't organize this by myself--I just do not have time. Anyone wanna help?
				Stars light your paths,
					Rosaleen
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Christian Census
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:58:34 GMT
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN

In article <1870@hsdndev.UUCP>, traite@puccini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite) 
writes:
> 
> My experience has not been as positive, when asked my religion when I
> entered a Boston area  hospital to give birth to my daughter, I duly
> answered "Pagan"  whereby  the admitting people put  "None"  on
> the wrist band.  Admittedly I could have argued at that point,
> but most of my mind was on "other matters" relating to the "task at hand". 
:-

  No doubt, you must always choose *when* to fight the good fight.

  Especially when you've got to depend upon the good will of others, it's
a good idea to let things appear to be as the >authorities< would have them.

> _____________
> Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |  No... I don't speak for
> Statistical Programmer                   |  Harvard.   Are You *nuts*?
> SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
> Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |

  I'm glad you de-lurked -- your oblig. NonSpokesBeing remark is *great*.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Subject: Birthday Sign
Originator: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 02:11:13 EDT

Can't resist... I was born under the sign "maternity ward" ... <sorry>

All seriousness aside, I was born June 25, 1958, at 7:30 pm in Syracuse, NY.
That makes me a Cancer, sort of on the cusp, I guess.

BTW, anyone hear the comedian who does a routine about zodiac signs? He's
a Cancer too, and wonders why there aren't other signs named after diseases.
"Oh, you're a Psoriasis? Great!"

Blessed Be,
--PeterCat
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:29:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct2.022608.22775@ncsu.edu> barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
>
>I think a gathering at Janis's is a great idea.  Being near the ocean makes
>me feel so emotionally alive and powerful.

I don't know -- take a brown magic marker.  Get a postcard of Los
Angeles.  Draw a horizontal line halfway down.  Color everything below
the line in.

Now, inhale.

Blessings,
Janis 

P.S.:  That's not to say you can't stop by, just bring your filter
mask.
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Samhain at Janis's . . .
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:51:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <2OCT199217121710@rosie.uh.edu>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> 
> In article <2AC94A83.15987@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes...
> >
> >This certainly seems to have taken on a life of its own.  I can't
> >promise to put anyone up, but if you all suddenly appear at my place on
> >November 1st, burst through my door and carry me off for a hot chocolate
> >and Ben and Jerry's debauch, I'm certainly not going to call the cops.
> > 
> >Now awaiting the great migration,
> >Janis 
> > 
> >P.S.: I'm in Irvine, CA -- near Los Angeles. 
> 
> LOS ANGELES...Ugh.  My husband is originally from the SF Bay Area.
> Guess what his opinion is? ;-).  Sorry, November 1st is too soon
> to plan any kind of get together.  How about next Samhain!!!!

I too can't make it for Samhain - my son Brendan's school has a
big festival at Halloween and all families participate in it.
(It's a really neat festival, BTW: teachers and parents set up
a "Protected Path" through various fairy tale scenarios for the
younger kids, and a "Perilous Path", which is a somewhat scary
obstacle course for older kids, which they must walk *alone* -
it's a real rite of passage for them)

So, what about winter solstice?? Maybe it's too close to
Christmas, but how many people in this group do traditional
Christmas activities anyway??  :-)  It's just easier to travel
then because of vacations.

Richard
(Tuneweaver)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan