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From:         "David M. Mark" <GEODMM@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      AutoCarto Futures/ SDH / etc.
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[Nick Crisman asked me to post this to GIS-L / comp.infosystems.gis]

RE: AutoCarto Futures/ SDH / etc.

As unaccustomed as I am to speaking on this topic....  I have some opinions
about the future of Auto Carto and similar meetings.

I wrote down my belief that there would be some "last Auto-Carto" as a preface
to the proceedings of #8.  I thought that "Auto-Carto" would become less
and less remarkable and become the whole meeting.

I think that may already have happened with GIS/LIS following on the
energy level and circus atmosphere of AC II....

As to the more serious research focus, I do not think that is well served
by GIS/LIS, unless I misunderstand it.  SDH has kept a good quality program
from many years, but there is a difficulty for various nationals to keep up
with the most dedicated set as it rotates from Zurich to Australia and
back.  International is nice, but the North American do need something
that does not end up spending years going off to visit the worthy rest
of the globe.  Many universities will simply not reimburse for international
travel (discounting Canada, as usual...).

I would be pleased to stay in this cycle of debate (here we go again)

Nick Chrisman
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From: sue@byron.u.washington.edu (Shu-Chen Eclipse)
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Subject: custom .ttywsrc and running ARCINFO 6.0 under openlook windows
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:52:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Hellow,
thanx to all the response to my previous post.)

I we customized each technician's .ttywsrc file to map the F-keys to  some
simple unix commands like cd <long path name>, or some arc commdands like
&<something or other>.

this worked perfectly fine when running arc 5 under sunview, when we
went to arc6.0 under openlook and started arc inside a cmdtool window, the
F-key remaps no longer works. More: when users login (via telnet to the sun sparc
file server) remotely on tektronix xp27 teXpress terminals, the windows
are started from a c-shell script. The cmdtool -C (console) window
complains: tty-TTIOCCONS <some priviledge violation>.

We found that if we started arc6.0 under shelltool, the F1-remaps of .ttywsrc
ar just fine!
We also found that if we disabled scrolling on the cmdtool window after it has
come up, the F-key remaps suddely worked--no other steps needed--they were just
there--like turning off scrolling turned on F-key remaps!!

Our question is: what is going on? Is there a more automatic way of getting
cmdtool to work with the .ttywsrc F-key remaps without having to constantly
bring up the term pane window and manually disabling scrolling before
we start each session of ARC??

thanx,
sue@byron.u.washington.edu
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Subject: Description of BibTeX and LaTeX (was The GIS Master Bibliographic Project)
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Organization: Spatial Information Systems, CSIRO, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:53:42 GMT

In article AA17727@aqua.whoi.edu, Peter Schlesinger writes:

>What are BIBTEX and LATEX? Are these PROCITE-compatible formats?

TeX is a full-featured markup type document preparation system
developed by Don Knuth, a well know Computer Scientist from (if memory
serves me well) Stanford.  TeX is also a complete programming language,
but that's not really the point here.  LaTeX is a macro package written
in TeX which makes TeX easier to use, and allows Styles to be plugged
in at will.  BibTeX is used by LaTeX as its bibliographic citation
package.  All of these are ASCII based.  TeX itself has superior (in my
opinion and that of many others) mathematics, font, and  page layout
facilities etc, when compared to many other document preparation
systems.  It is freely available, and runs on everything from PC's,
Macs, Amigas, through Unix workstations, to many mainframes.
Commercial implementations are also available.  In general, it is not a
WYSIWYG word processor, so it is unlike MS-Word, Wordperfect, etc, and
some would argue that it is considerably harder for novices to use.

Many journals and conferences now produce camera ready copy using TeX,
and some publishers (like Addison-Wesley) also accept TeX.  Style files
which conform to various publishers' requirements (including
bibliographic requirements) are generally available, and often you can
simply plug in a different style file to meet different requirements.
It is used widely in the Mathematics and Computer Science disciplines
for producing papers.

The BibTeX format is (very) verbose, and consequently self
explanatory.  It is quite easy to write tools to convert to other
bibliographic formats.  I am not all that familiar with PROCITE
though.

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Subject:      Whither AC? Yes.

Whither Auto Carto? Yes.
                    ---
That opinion is based on my understanding of the roles of the major
GIS conferences, or at least how each has evolved.

Auto Carto: Technical issues of automated cartography (originally),
            but has slowly become dominated by general, technical
            GIS issues. Many AC proceedings articles, lately, do not
            even mention maps or cartography. (not necessarily bad!)

            Usually fits well alongside ACSM spring meeting.
            'Experts' talking to 'experts'.

Spatial Data Handling: Technical issues of SDH, which often do not
            include cartography. Focus on the inner workings of GIS:
            algorithms and data structures, benchmarking, 'hardball'.
            Theoretical papers admitted, but no "Why Detroit bought GIS."
            Experts talking to experts.

GIS/LIS: Wide range of technical, theorectical, and application papers.
             Viewpoints of 5 major sponsor associations. Distinct
             ambience (tension?) of researchers vs. practitioners.
             Experts talking to experts AND newcomers.

Thus, when a newcomer asks which conference to attend, my answer is
Auto Carto or SHD (depending on even or odd years) if the person is
a 'programmer type', and GIS/LIS if the person wants to apply GIS or
get a wide view of the possibilities. (URISA if the person is a
local government type; AM/FM Int'l if they are a utility type; AAG if
they insist on being/remaining a geographer while playing with GIS.)
Of course, as David Mark mentioned, there are other specialized or local
GIS conferences as well, but these are the biggies.

I think that the distinction between technical and general conferences is
important.  It is important that techies have a regular interchange of ideas
and that researchers offer their theory to public criticism. That is the
role of Auto Carto and SDH. But if, as Duane Marble suggests, there is not
enough good technical material to justify an annual SDH, then perhaps it
is time to eliminate its competition (Auto Carto), which no one wants
to organize anyway. An advantage of SDH is that it appeals internationally
and is not as American-centric (or Wash. DC-centric) as Auto Carto.

If Auto Carto ceases to draw interest on the topic of automated cartography,
and if the residual (technical GIS topics) conflicts with SDH, then let
AC die.  Don Cooke said at a recent conference that all good lists (especially
on overhead graphics) have 10 items!  Let's allow Auto Carto's 10 meetings
to be listed historically as a major contribution to the GIS field.

Mike Gould
NCGIA-Buffalo (en el sabatico mas corto del mundo)
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Hello Y'all:

Bill French, Executive Director of the American Society for Photogrammetry
and Remote Sensing (ASPRS), asked that I post his views on the AutoCarto
meetings.  He said that the meeting was begun 15-20 or so years ago by
ACSM and that it has been joint with ASPRS since '78.  ASPRS and ACSM
own the copyright on it too.  The Society's are interested in continuing
to sponsor the meeting in conjunction with the annual meetings.  He noted
that if y'all feel it is getting lost in the shuffle at the large AS
ASPRS-ACSM venue, we could offer to have AC sessions held in a completely
separate facility.  Bill also noted that another reason not to spin this
off as a totally separate meeting is that there are already too many
technical meetings.
  I'll pass along any responses to Bill.

Don Hemenway, e7g4hem@towsonvx.bitnet
ASPRS
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    based on ARC-INFO, produced by the UK Midlands Regional Research
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From:         Steve Smyth <stevesmy@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      FW: Weiler Data Model

Werner...

This looks like the one I was looking for. Thanks. And thanks also to
Rob Weibel, and to the others who answered directly on this question!

...steve smyth
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Subject: RE: Weiler Data Model
Date: 24 July 1992 16:18

to steve smyth:

without knowing anything about the weiler model either,
here is a reference in addition to those mentioned by
rob weibel:

L. Weiler
Edge Based Data Structures for Solid Modeling in a Curved Surface Environment
IEEE Computer Graphics and Applications 5(1), 21-40.

werner kuhn
kuhn@elvvs1.tuwien.ac.at
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Subject:      Looking 4 Ann D. Cristy

Can anyone supply me with the e-mail (or other) address for Ann D. Cristy?  She
   is located at Clemson University, S.C., USA in the Agricluture Dept.

Drew Rak
arak@ollie.clarku.edu
508-792-7650 or FAX 508-792-7650
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From:         John Cartwright <johncc@PICEA.CFNR.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      GRASS on HP
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Hello,

Has anyone compiled GRASS4.0 on an HP (specifically a HP425) that could lend me
 a bit
of assistance?

Thanks!

John Cartwright
johncc@picea.cfnr.colostate.edu
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Subject:      gis/anthropology

Hello,
I am interested in getting some gis/anthropology projects going here at
Auburn and would like to hear about anyone's experiences in using gis to
do anthropology. I made a similar request about a year ago and received
some very useful replies and would like to hear how those projects
turned out a year later. Anyone interested will find a grateful audience
at
     jimg@ducvax.auburn.edu
or   jimg@auducvax

Thanks,

Barry Waid
Auburn University
jimg@ducvax.auburn.edu
jimg@auducvax
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From:         Rusty Dodson <dodson@TOAST.NCGIA.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      Arc/Info AML question:
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Does anyone know how to verify that an item exists when it is
used as an argument in an AML?  The [exists] function won't do it,
and I haven't had any luck with [listitems] and then [search], as
[search] seems to interpret the item list as many strings (plus that
method won't work all the time, e.g. it wouldn't find the error if
I typed the item name "trac" instead of "tract").

Thanks in advance,

             ___________________________________________________
             Rusty Dodson            dodson@toast.ncgia.ucsb.edu
             NCGIA--Santa Barbara    dodson@voodoo.bitnet
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From:         Steve Kopp <esri!plato!steve@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Conversion of raster image in Hammer-Aitoff?
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In response to Peter Schlesinger's question...

>Does anyone know of a package which can perform a reprojection of a
>raster grid starting from Hammer-Aitoff and ending with Plate Carree?

ARC/INFO has the ability to project raster data from Hammer-Aitoff to Plate
 Carree, as well as between over 40 other map projections.

The Plate Carree is a special case of the EQUIRECTANGULAR projection,
where the latitude of true scale (standard parallel) is the equator.
To create data in Plate Carree, specify your output projection as
Equirectangular.

This projection is useful for raster data on a global scale, since all
meridians and parallels are equidistant straight lines, and intersect
at right angles.  Although, there is noticable distortion of shape
(i.e. it is not conformal).

Steve Kopp
skopp@esri.com
From: mccauley@ecn.purdue.edu (Darrell McCauley)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: The GIS Master Bibliography Project
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:45:17 GMT
Organization: Ag Engineering Dept, Purdue University

In article <9207291130.AA12641@sun7.lrz-muenchen.de>, u4901ac@SUN7.LRZ-MUENCHEN.DE writes:
|> Where can we find the refer2bibtex converters?

just ask archie. mind you that this is written in emacs-lisp and require
emacs to use.

archive.cis.ohio-state.edu
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-- 
James Darrell McCauley          Department of Ag Engr, Purdue Univ
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Subject: Re: AC Conferences.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:22:00 GMT
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> I found myself with conference fatigue and funding deficit
> after the past three Spring Canadian GIS conferences, and regretted
> having to pass up the  last couple of AC conferences.

I guess I really ought to wait for two weeks before joining this discussion,
after which I will have sampled an SSDH meeting and may know what I am
talking about. However, I think that the above is a very relevant point.

There are just so MANY conferences on GIS in all its many shapes and forms
nowadays that it is impossible to attend all of them...or even a significant
few. To steal a colleague's expression, you need a season ticket for the
GIS bandwagon nowadays, to follow it around the conference circuit. I know
that this issue has been discussed on this group not so long ago, but it
is relevant to the present discussion as well.

And that, IMHO, is where both the Auto-Carto and SSDH meetings score
positively: the majority of them have some academic and scholastic merit
which sets them apart from the vendor presentations (useful at times,
but with a completely different ethos and intention), and from the "me too"
papers which stake territory but don't actually advance knowledge that much.
The papers presented at both AutoCarto and SSDH, to my knowledge, are
vetted and carefully selected, and this in my book counts for a lot.
I've not yet been to either meetings, but despite this I have benefitted
enormously from having access to the proceedings volumes. These books stand
the test of time, and are still useful many years on. In fact, I would
suggest that they can be included in the list of "neccessary documents"
for almost any self-respecting GIS library. Of how many other conferences
(EGIS, GIS/LIS, AM/FM, Mapping Awareness) can one really say the same?

Darius Bartlett
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Date: 29 Jul 92 16:08:48 GMT
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Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <yswxy4_@rpi.edu>, wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
|>
|>In article <GIS-L%92072304401282@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> on Thu, 23 Jul
|>1992 10:25:01 GMT, Robert Weibel <K491170@CZHRZU1A.BITNET> writes:
|>
|>  > Re Weiler: ... there
|>  > was a guy who did a MS thesis at Cornell CS in 1978 on clipping
|>  > polygons at concave regions, better known as the Weiler-Atherton
|>  > algorithm....
|>
|>After being an undergrad at Carnegie-Mellon and a masters student at
|>Cornell,  Kevin saw the light and did his PhD here at Rensselaer
|>Polytechnic Institute.   This is his thesis entry:
|> ......
|> 
|>I don't know where he is now.
|>-- 
|>Wm. Randolph Franklin,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu, (518) 276-6077;  Fax: -6261
|>ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
                            
Kevin left GE Corporate Research and Development to work for Ardent
(later Stardent). Pete Atherton has since come to work at the Center.

---
Roderick Sprattling    sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com
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Sprattling's First Law of Organizational Motion:
For every action there's an equal and opposite inaction.

Sprattling's Second Law of Organizational Motion:
Organizations at rest tend to ossify.
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Subject:      Re: Arc/Info to Genasys conversion
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re Arc - Genesys

We have both systems and have not yet addressed the interchange problem.
It will pop up very soon so I would be interested in the solution.

I'm  sure Genasys in Sydney could and will help.

George Benwell
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From:         Martin Misseyer <V67CVM10@HASARA11.BITNET>
Subject:      OODBMS

Hi netters,

Who can provide me with companies marketing OODBMS. A collegue of me is looking
for an OODBMS to be used in a database workshop for undergraduate students
(seniors). The OODBMS searched for will be used to model non-spatial phenomena!
(We're dealing here with Economics students majoring in Management Information
Systems).

Thanx in advance,

Martin Misseyer
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