From: bob.abbott@PCOHIO.WARIAT.ORG (Bob Abbott)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: Bindery transfer
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:40:43 GMT
Reply-To: Bob Abbott <bob.abbott@pcohio.wariat.org>
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
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AL>From:         "A.G. Lowe-Norris" <agl1@LE.AC.UK>
AL>Subject:      Re: Bindery transfer

AL>        A new way to copy binderies?
AL>        ----------------------------

AL>        A while back Matthew Dokman wrote the following:

AL>> >         I would like to transfer all of the bindery information of some
AL>> > 1,400+ users from one file server to another, without recreating the use
AL> id's
AL>> > I cannot use MAKEUSER because all users have established passwords that
AL>> > can't reproduce. This new file server is a central hub for the system we
AL> have,
AL>> > which consists of 3 file servers and a CD-ROM tower. This would enable m
AL>> > route the users from the central, or "home" file server, to the service
AL>> > desire, which could be on any one of the mentioned devices.
AL>> >
AL>> >         My question is, what is the best way to transfer the info, inclu
AL>> > mail directories but no home directories, without any fancy commercial
AL>> > programs for which you pay a lot of money?  If it is possible to back it
AL>> > on tape and restore, or do an ncopy, what are the file names, and where
AL>>  they
AL>> > reside? And also, what are the consequences for a very few users that
AL> already
AL>> > have IDs with same login names on the "home" file server?
AL>> >


AL>Richard Letts (SALFORD.UK) proposed the following:


AL>> 1. run bindfix (twice) on the source server
AL>> 2. copy the net$????.old files to sys:SYSTEM on the new server
AL>> 3. copy their filestore over
AL>> 4. run bind rest on the new server
AL>> 5. down the new server
AL>> 6. bring it back up
AL>> 7. run bind fix on the new server
AL>> 8. down it again
AL>> 9. bring it back up
AL>>
AL>> 5-9 are probably not necessary, but we got into the habit when moving our
AL>> users from 2 (two) servers to 20 (twenty) new ones.
AL>>

AL>I use a far faster approach which has worked for us.

AL>We have a server here, CC1, with 5000+ users in the bindery. We had a new
AL>server to install and wished to copy the bindery. First I installed everythi
AL>for NW3.11 on the new server CC-MAC as normal. Second, using John Baird's
AL>BINDCLOS function I closed the bindery on CC-MAC. I FLAGged the 3 files:

AL>        NET$OBJ.SYS
AL>        NET$PROP.SYS
AL>        NET$VAL.SYS

AL>as -T -H -Sy. Then I renamed the 3 files as *.BAK. Then I closed the bindery
AL>on CC1 and flagged the three large bindery files as before. I copied these t
AL>CC-MAC and finally flagged them back to +T +H +Sy. Using John Baird's BINDOP
AL>on both servers brought the new bindery into effect immediately.


AL>In addition to this, we use the NNS and this is locked into the bindery. For
AL>anyone who has NNS installed, I can tell you we removed our NNS from the
AL>bindery in a matter of about 10 mins or so without having any conflicts,
AL>forced password resets, or random password creations at all. Anyone who is
AL>interested give me a shout and I will explain it, but there are only a few o
AL>us who really use it so I won't bore the others.

AL>It was a simple matter to create the mail directories, (they have the same i
AL>in both binderies), and any user directories as needed. GRANTing rights then
AL>followed and that was it.


AL>Does anyone else do it this way?

  I think the BINDFIX/BINDREST is easier and doesn't need any additional
software but it had drawbacks.  NNS is a "tad" high priced to purchase
to copy a server.
  Also, for anyone duplicating servers like this, don't forget that the
BINDERY do NOT hold trustee rights.  You can copy the trustee rights
along with the bindery very simply using NBACKUP.  Here is the procedure
ATN (according to Novell.)

Q. I want to duplicate my trustee assignments and binderies on another
  server. Can I run BINDFIX, copy the resulting NET$BIND.OLD and
  NET$BVAL.OLD files to the new server, and then run BINDREST to restore
  trustee assignments and bindery files to the new server?

A. The trustee assignments are not stored in the bindery files.  They
are
  physically stored with the directory entry.

  NetWare utilities provide two ways to backup just the binderies and
the
  trustee assignments:

  LARCHIVE. Select the options to back up all directories and ignore all
  files. This process is described in Appendix A of the Network Backup
  Implementation Report (part number 479-000063-001).

  NBACKUP. Select "Backup File Server" and input Yes for "Backup
Bindery"
  and "Backup Trustees" and input "*" and "*.*" for "Files to Exclude."

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