From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Possibly Relevent Insight, and Comments on Pat Buchanan's Speech
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:05:11 GMT

In article <BtAnun.39p@twwells.com> anon-1055@twwells.com (m&m) writes:
>Bear Giles Writes:
>First please recognize that the president is not a member of the "far right
>republican party"  Neither are most of his cabinet members, or most of the 
>republicans in congress.  

But the Republicans _are_ trying to keep them in the Republican fold.
(Not very successfully, either).

Meanwhile, top headline (right page) of the _Rocky Mountain News_ convention
coverage?  "Christian right shows strength at convention."  The tagline?
"Restoration of family values, conservative policies lead agenda;
Qualye favored in 1996."

That's the lead story in the convention coverage.  (Bush's nomination
was covered in the national news section).  Tell me again how Republican !=
Far Right?

>>Meanwhile, a group in Colorado (Republican, I have no doubt) and groups
>>in other states wish to strip some families of the right to live and work
>>where they choose.  Oh, sorry.  Gay and lesbians couples in a longterm
>>monogomous relationship with a lifetime commitment are _not_ a family,
>>they're people pursuing a "hedonistic lifestyle."
>
>The group you are reffering to IS NOT REPUBLICAN - It is predominantly a group
>of fundamentalist religious people.  The fact that they are probably, most
>assuredly predominantly republicans is pretty irrelevant. I disagree with 
>many radical environmental groups, but the fact that they are most assuredly
>all democrats is likewise not very relevant.

In Colorado there is a sharp geographical split.  The city of Denver (not
the suburbs) and Boulder, together with several mountain towns (e.g., Aspen)
are quite liberal.  (BTW, my representative is David Skaggs).

The southern suburbs of Denver and especially Colorado Springs are extremely
conservative.

Boulder, Denver and Aspen have laws designating homosexuals as a 'protected'
minority.  A group of three men (who are active in the Republican party)
in _Colorado Springs_ decided they were going to tell three home-rule cities
with a total population of well over half-million people that they could
_not_ extend explicit civil rights protection to minorities as they see
fit.

If that is not one group sticking it's nose into the affairs of another,
I don't know what is!

Perhaps the Colorado Republican Party has not added support for that
Constitutional Amendment to its platform (I'd have to check), the fact
remains that Republicans have plowed the fields, spread the fertilizer
and keep the weed-pullers away from those fields -- they must accept
responsibility for groups like this.

Or is the Republican Party at the national level somehow unrelated to
the Republican Party at the state and local level?  I mean, if Bush
thinks he can run as an "outsider,"...

>This whole thread is IMO another example of us getting caught up in "you" and
>"they" based communications.  I want to get back to "I" - to my feelings and
>my reactions.  I just really believe that the best I can do is do my own work,
>grow in loving and accepting love inmy life, and speak out the story of my life.

Yes.  They say "YOU MUST DO THIS" and "YOU MUST DO THAT."  Me, I just want
to be left alone, and I'll leave them alone.

I do _not_ want to be told that "gee, perhaps you shouldn't have full
citizenship because you don't have any children."  (Yes, another local
rabid righter has tied citizenship to procreation)!

>Again IMO I would like this thread to get off asar and into email.  Therefore
>I would rather responses go to email - but again this is just my opinion.

I've also gotten responses from people thanking me for airing these issues.

It's the Republicans who are singing, at the top of their lungs, of the
joys of life when every family has a working dad (white collar, of course),
a mom who stays home, and 2.3 hetereosexual children who listen to gospel
music instead of Megadeth.  They are the ones trying to enflame the passions
of America...  and they can't complain when some of us say "Bushit!"


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov

P.S.  Just for future reference I've been a registered independent for
8 years.  I only changed to "democrat" earlier this month to vote in
the Democratic primary.  (Dick "Duty to Die" Lamm, if there are any
Coloradans out there.  He lost).
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