From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:52:06 GMT

 
 Article 2609 (11 more) in chi.general:
 Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.
 +           homosexuality
 From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
 Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and
 +        Jews
 
 >I don't believe that homosexuals are (nor have been) asking 
 for anything more than equal protection under the law.
 
 They already have it.  No new laws are required to protect 
 them.
 
 >  NOWHERE have I seen them campaigning for "special" 
 privileges.
 
 Adopting children is a privilege granted to married couples.  
 To allow homosexual couples the privilege would be "special" 
 and require rewriting laws to accommodate them.
 
 >I see them attempting to prevent their civil rights from 
 being denied and abridged due to their sexual preference.
 
 I know of no constitutional rights that homosexuals are 
 denied.
 
 >However, I do support >equal< protection under the law of 
 the land.
 
 Pray tell, how are homosexuals denied equal protection under 
 the law?
 
 >Your suspicions have not been shown to be correct.  
 
 My suspicions have never been disproven either.
 
 >Everything I have read on this subject say that about 10% 
 of those children will consider themselves "homosexual", 
 which is darn close to the general population. 
 
 I have never read anything on the subject.  That could 
 either be a result of my ignorance or a dearth of material 
 to be read because the results would not be PC and hence 
 unpublished.
 
 >If you want to refute this then lets see evidence.
 
 I have none.  Simply common sense and experience with 
 parental influence on many other orientations.
 
 >Incorrect.  The group that brought us AIDS was the black 
 African man and woman, where this virus has been identified 
 dating back to the 1950s at least.
 
 
 "The black African and and woman" are not a group.  The 
 homosexual community turned that incident into an epidemic.
 
 >  Further, the majority of the >planet's< AIDS victims are 
 >heterosexuals<; it is only in the US that we have the 
 anomaly of gays being a more significant vector.
 
 When I said "brought us", I was referring to us in the US 
 and our epidemic.
 
 >  They won't maintain this for long -- the present evidence 
 suggests that the incidence of infection among gay men is 
 dropping rapidly...
 
 Who started it and who has the most is no longer the issue.  
 It is an epidemic and nothing is being done to halt it 
 because of political pressure brought on by the homosexual 
 community in this country.  It has nothing to do with 
 discrimination, it has to do with special privileges again.  
 
 >Further, it is impossible to state >with certainty< your 
 (or anyone else's) HIV status at any given moment.
 
 There is a high degree of certainty that those who test 
 positive have it.  If everyone were tested, we would have 
 the key to controlling it.  Homosexuals have fought testing 
 from time zero.  They have created the only virus with civil 
 rights of its own.  It has nothing to do with 
 discrimination, it has to do with political pressure.
 
 >Jack, >every one of us< is a potential AIDS victim.
 
 That is precisely why I have chosen to be a recluse.  I 
 reduce the chances of contacting someone with it.
 
 >  Have you been operated on in the last 20 years?  Had 
 sexual intercourse?  Used an IV drug with other than known 
 sterile equipment?  If any of these questions are answered
 "yes" then you are potentially at risk.   
 
 But the risk diminishes with the time since those events.  
 But I do not see what this has to do with avoiding exposure 
 to known carriers.
 
 >The risk of catching HIV, >providing< you do not
 engage in high-risk behavior, is less than the risk of 
 getting run over by a car when you cross the street.
 
 Yes but, when I cross the street, I don't walk into oncoming 
 cars.  I AVOID them.  It is an option I can exercise and so 
 is avoiding contact with AIDS carriers.  Unfortunately, the 
 homosexual community has made it just about impossible to 
 know who the carriers are.
 
 >This disease has >absolutely< nothing to do with sexual 
 orientation. 
 
 I never said it did.  But as I am more likely to get hit by 
 a moving car, I am more likely to get AIDS from a carrier 
 and statistically.......
 
 >It is a proven fact that it is next to impossible to catch 
 HIV in any other fashion, crazed lunatics on the "Family 
 Channel" and the "700 Club" notwithstanding.  
 
 I do not know what they are proposing but I think the insect 
 vector, which fits your only method, has been swept under 
 the rug.  It has not been properly studied and all reports I 
 have seen are statistical extrapolations from anecdotal 
 information.   Very poor science.
 
 BTW, what does this have to do with blacks and Jews?
 
 js
 
 
 

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