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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:42:14 GMT

My, but that was vivid...

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:08:28 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan6.152559.8155@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:


>It's one of those things that you *know* is bad for you;
>yet you find yourself attracted to that "Hot Donuts Now"
>sign in the window at 2:00 am...  after Krystal or IHOP
>or (here's a new one for some of you) Shoney's, of course.

Hey, there's nothing better for your cholesterol level than Shoney's 
Breakfast Bar at 5 AM -- hash browns, grits drowning in butter,
fried bacon and sausage, scrambled eggs with cheese.

And that's just the appetizer.

Of course, all of this is _after_ you've gone on a sugar high at
Krispy Kreme so you could operate your automobile to reach Shoney's... :-)

>jeff - who just heard a report that Alabama ranks 10th in 
>       the U.S. in percentage of overweight people.  (We
>       have all the above listed eating establishments.)

What was first?  If I had to guess, it would be my home state of
West Virginia, especially the southern coalfields where my family
still resides.

"Svelte" is _definitely_ not a word you learn until __after__
you've left West Virginia.

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From: grant@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Grant R. Guenther)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:41:24 GMT

In <C0ruA7.Asy@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.213151.29617@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>In article <C0rDqJ.FpE@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>Really?  What were the events that led up to this repeal?
>>The election of a bi prime minister, mainly.
>And what do you think led up to his being able to affirm this in public
>and get elected, rather than jailed?

Pierre Trudeau became Prime Minister BEFORE Stonewall. Before becoming
PM he was the federal minister of justice.  I was only a teen, but I
recall the excitement surrounding his pronouncement that "the state has
no business in the bedrooms of the nation".  Even then I knew this was
something important to me.

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:17:33 GMT



You know, this is a *most* peculiar squabble.

Steve Dyer:
  >>Indeed, this effort of yours is a source of amusement to most people
  >>here, who would be more inclined to describe your own contributions to
  >>motss in such one-dimensional terms, if they weren't too polite to do so.
George Madison:
 >In short, that's their problem.

Okay.  Then I'll react publicly so it won't be my problem.
George, you are boring, sour and humorless in your diatribe against
Arne and your repetitive insistence that beauty necessarily involves
hair and cannot include razors.

Arne has been known to get pretty acidic, but not just lately.
You've been known to post rather more mellowly than this but (alas)
not just lately.

There.  I've said it.  I didn't think it was my "problem" before,
and I don't think it's my problem now, but I do think that Steve had
_my_ reaction absolutely taped in the paragraph I quoted.

Can't we talk about something else now?  Maybe Arne's last name:
is "Arneson" the formal version, or the familiar, or something else
entirely?

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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From: atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: Enhanced Cybernetic Logic Operating Systems Group
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:19:15 GMT

In article <C0JwJG.E3y.2@cs.cmu.edu> zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller) writes:

> What is this?  Now we're not allowed to have preferences any more?

No one's suggested this. There is a difference between a preference and
blatant, hurt-engendering discrimination.

--Dave O'Donnell
  atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu
  In Search Of: Witty .sig

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From: zwicky@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky)
Subject: Re: a few days at the linguistic society
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: answers to a few questions
Keywords: out, parties
Organization: outil, stanford, lsa, osu,...
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:36:17 GMT

arne asks a few questions about the biltmore and the party there
on saturday night...

the bed: it was firm and fine and, at the appropriate moments,
contained someone i love.  it was also awfully *big*, which (past a
certain point) is something of a disadvantage in a bed.  i know, i
know, you're thinking what a shame it was to have only two people in
it, and you're probably right.

i neglected to mention the fireplaces (currently non-functional),
true.  nor did i mention the trompe l'oeil paintings throughout the
suite.  we were unable to get the private elevator to work, but
then we didn't bother to call the butler about it.

i see from the floor plans for the suite that its total square footage
is 4600.  the living room - "parlor" is what the hotel calls it - is
just under 600 sq. ft., which is less than it seems, and about the
same size as the master bedroom plus its auxiliary rooms.

if there were any other l.a. motssers there (besides arne and howard)
they didn't identify themselves to me.

but *of course* it was linguistspace...it was at the annual meeting
of the linguistic society.  you were expecting a cross-section of
humankind?

(being in linguistspace means never having to answer the question "how
many languages do you speak?"  it also means being comfortable with
people talking, a lot, about their work.)

arnold


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From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Rudolph Nureyev is dead
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:05:12 GMT


Just heard it on the radio news.  He died in Paris.  They're still not
officially "admitting" that he died of AIDS.

<sigh>


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From: ken@animal.csd.scarolina.edu (Ken Sallenger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Red ribbons (was Re: Pride rings going mainstream?)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:15:07 -0500
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia
Reply-To: ken@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: animal.csd.scarolina.edu

In <1993Jan7.235811.20217@midway.uchicago.edu
   elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

=> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
=>>Speaking of co-opting symbols, ...

=>I'm afraid Mothers against Drunk Driving used red ribbons well before
=>the AIDS community did.  But since the former are generally tied to
=>car antennas (the ribbons, not the Mothers), the second worn on lapels,
=>I'd say it's rather hard to confuse them.

I dunno.  Recently here, several organizations were passing out red
ribbons suitable for lapels, with the motto "drug free and proud".
I can't remember the rest of the text; and I don't think MADD was
directly involved.

Anyway, as a recovering alky, I'd have liked one that says "drug free
and humble"... but then the wearing would be self-contradictory, no?

I guess I could have just turned the blank side up and enjoyed
the ambiguity. :-)
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:53:45 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


John Dorrance:
   >|>[ ...]  somehow senses George would rather die than do drag
Bob Donahue:
  >|> 	Hon, he IS doing drag!  Think about it.
Jeff Dauber:
 >To quote RuPaul, "You were born naked, everything else is DRAG"

Me:
You were born naked, everything else is _a_ DRAG. 

Mara [who _hates_ not being able to tolerate sunlight and who is
     going to Florida in a week]

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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: How This Man/Boy Got Some
Followup-To: Scot N Gibson <prufrock@leland.stanford.edu>
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 03:36:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.022537.3816@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <ByxJ15.6Jz.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu
>(Tim Mohler) writes:

>>This struggle against sexism, it's not a struggle against
>>ignorance.  It's a struggle against self-interest.  If it was
>>merely ignorance, the struggle would have been over long
>>ago.
>
>First-rate point, I think.

Yes, excellent point.  It's important to note (as you did) that this
is a step towards the goal, even if it's from one bad thing to another
(possibly worse) thing.  The struggle for black civil rights in the
South and elsewhere in the fifties and sixties was often very clearly
a struggle against others' self-interest, not ignorance.  And (as was
demonstrated then) it's much, much harder to force someone to learn
something than to force them against (what they percieve to be) their
self-interest.  

As you say, on the question of sexism, most of America has gotten past
the problem of ignorance and progressed to the next problem of
self-interest.  I would argue that on the LGB-rights problem, American
has yet to get over the problem of ignorance.  It'll be interesting to
see if and how the self-interest part rears it's ugly head, if it
hasn't already (and I just can't think of how it has).  

Any ideas on how people, who understand why LGB people should have
equal protection, would fight for their rights due to selfish reasons?
Examples of how it's already happened?
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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:31:51 GMT

In article <C0rDqJ.FpE@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.211716.13256@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>
>>The anniversary of Stonewall has very little importance in my life.  It
>>is, to me, an American event, something that happened in a foreign country.
>>Yes, the social effects and implications have crossed borders, but an
>>event much more relevent to me is the repeal of the anti-sodomy laws in
>>Canada.
>
>Really?  What were the events that led up to this repeal?

The election of a bi prime minister, mainly.  The earliest record I 
have heard on the books was the federal election campaign in the late
spring of 1968, "The Just Society".  Trudeau had also made off-the-record
statements of his intent during his tenure as Minister of Justice in 1967.

Gawd knows what discussions took place in caucus meetings before these
events.  Such documents are generally not available to the public, so
I don't have solid on-the-record evidence of what was going through
the minds of the Powers That Be of the time.

Brian
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:04:18 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) wrote:

>> It's moments like this (Wesley's MacWorld expose') that I get down on
>> my knees and thank the powers that be that I work in a Intel(tm)
>> compatible world :)

>Hah!  I pick my nose at you, you Milli-Vanilli-of-the-microchip-man,
>you.  Your taste in young lovelies is as your taste in chip
>architectures - how do you zay in Amerique, "Like piss?"

	Oh, fuck off.
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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan3.062520.3441@reed.edu>
	<1993Jan3.165147.23504@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
	<1993Jan5.074644.22851@spdcc.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:06:52 GMT

First, hello one and all.  (Is that okay as a demuffing act?)

In article <1993Jan5.074644.22851@spdcc.com> urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:

   In article <1993Jan3.165147.23504@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
      grant@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Grant R. Guenther) writes:
   >
   >How about "The Second Cup" at Church and Wellesley in Toronto - and many
   >others in the chain, too.  Even the dinky little one in the mall here
   >is probably the busiest daytime cruising spot in town :-) 
   >

   I've been schooled lately, during my last trip to Toronto, on the
   fine art of going to coffee shops.  I grew up in Atlanta, where
   coffee shops are synonymous with "Oh... you mean Dunkin Donuts?,"
   so Bill has had to teach me how to be a Torontonian... hopping from
   Second Cup to Second Cup.  It filled me with awe that every time we
   went there, there was at least *someone* Bill knew there.  In
   Toronto, they serve much the same function as bars.  However, in
   other cities, such as Atlanta and Boston, I'm afraid you'd have
   better luck seeing the "Gotta make the donuts" guy than transacting
   a successful cruise.

   [] Urso

One day prior to the holidays, I ran into a friend.  He was just
getting home after spending an evening with someone he'd met at the
Dunkin' Donuts in Central Square in Cambridge.

Also, did they have Kryspy Kreme donuts in Atlanta?

tim

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Keywords: AAARGH!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 02:07:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.000926.16042@netcom.com>
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>[...]

>For the record: *nothing* above was written by me. The inner paragraph
>is by (Sen.) Kennedy, as are the outer ones. My words had been trimmed
>out, but not my name. Humph.

>My reputation is bad enough on this group already...

I hope it's some consolation to you that it's unlikely ever
to be as bad as his.  On the other hand, he has something of
an excuse that you arguably don't have: insanity.

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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Red ribbons (was Re: Pride rings going mainstream?)
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:58:11 GMT

In article <rizzoe.641.726445103@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> 
 rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>Speaking of co-opting symbols, I was rather surprised to see full page ads 
>in both Time and Newsweek before the holidays asking people to tie a red 
>ribbon to their car antenna to show that they are against drunk driving. 

I'm afraid Mothers against Drunk Driving used red ribbons well before
the AIDS community did.  But since the former are generally tied to
car antennas (the ribbons, not the Mothers), the second worn on lapels,
I'd say it's rather hard to confuse them.

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 00:39:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan10.055442.22154@spdcc.com> <16B521096.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu>

Tracey McCartney writes:
[about Madonna]
>It's strange to look back and remember that when she first hit the
>scene, everyone was just *scandalized* over her salacious display
>of bellybutton. Methinks that by now we've seen just about every orifice
>the woman owns.


*INSTANTLY* snapped into the quotesfile!

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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear-at-heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:56:26 EST
Organization: Univ of Toledo

In article <1993Jan6.080246.11207@psych.toronto.edu>, bill@psych.toronto.edu 
(Bill Pusztai) writes:

> This whole discussion reminds me of a raunch-loving man
> I know ... the riper he gets, the more strongly he
> smells of chocolate and hazelnuts :-) over and above
> the sweat, of course.

Bill:  "This coffee is so delightful, I am really glad you bought it for me"
Joe:   "When I saw this in the store, with the map of Belgium on it, I 
          instantly thought of that trip we took to Antwerp together..."

  (background music, faded images overlaid on screen)

Bill:  "And that coffee merchant who mixed his very own special blend of
          of oils and nuts into his coffee beans before grinding & brewing
          it to order"
Joe:   "And I can almost picture him now, rolling up his sleaves, showing
          off his sinewy muscles, as he gets ready to grind his beans by hand.

  (fade in on close-up of the box of coffee, sitting on table)

Bill:  "What did he say about his background while we were chatting"
Joe:   "Something about meeting Juan Valdez while driving a truck in the Andes"

Bill & Joe:  (suddenly moving even closer to each other)
       "And his name was Jean Claude!"

   (up music - superimpose logo)

Voiceover:  "International Coffees: nutty blends that nature never intended"

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 10:05:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan8.065528.2074@leland.Stanford.EDU> <73181@cup.portal.com>  
  <1993Jan8.175437.23515@spdcc.com> <73226@cup.portal.com>
  <C0L8x9.JCB@panix.com>

Mara Chibnik writes:
>George, you are boring, sour and humorless in your diatribe against
>Arne

I'm going to drop this whole thread, since "boring, &c." is how
I perceive Arne -- and I have no particular desire to emulate him.

>Arne has been known to get pretty acidic, but not just lately.

And it's that past that largely formed the opinion of him that
Steve Dyer inquired about -- starting this whole melange.

>You've been known to post rather more mellowly than this but (alas)
>not just lately.

Bears don't have retractile claws, but I'll find a way to pull
them in.

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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: penis size (was Re: Muffin on Parade)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:27:54 GMT

brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) wrote: 
->I hope that, the next time someone is tempted to post to the effect that
->soc.motss is "safe space" or "supportive", they wil remember this thread.

i don't recall anyone who had a recent clue saying any such thing.

--
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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:55:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan10.121214.18144@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan10.115240.16983@macc.wisc.edu>
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

Piss.  Just when it looked like he done threw in the pail and
went home, the old Jezeboo has returned.  Four posts in a 
Madonna thread - and one to follow himself up.

Such form.

*X*
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From: ste@hudson.att.com (Shaun Erickson [94])
Subject: Re: Marky Mark again
Organization: Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:22:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.165819.18303@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
|> 
|> There is an article about his relationship to the gay community in the most recent issue
|> of the gay newspaper Fontiers.  It is pretty much what people have been saying in this
|> news group.

I have been away from this group for some time. Would someone email me a summary of
what's been posted about Marky Mark? I'm an avid fan of his ... thanks!
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