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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: DUNYA GUZELI "DEHSET"  
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:21:36 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> >Prof.Dr. Ayhan Songar' in yazisidir. Bilgilerinize sunuyorum.  
> >Z.Arvasi  
> >                              DEHSET  
  
> >bulunmakta. Sayfalari cevirirken birden bire karsima cikan biryazida  
> >beni dehsete dusurdu, sevgili okuyucularim. Yazida 1932 yilinda dunya  
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
> >guzellik yarismasindan soz ediyordu. Ben ufak bir cocuk tum ama bugun  
  
> >   SAYIN JURI UYELERI, BUGUN AVRUPANIN HIRISTIYANLIGIN ZAFERINI KUTLU-  
                                ^^^^^^^^^                 ^^^^^^  
> >YORUZ. 1400 DIR HAKIMIYETINI SURDUREN ISLAMIYET ARTIK BITMISTIR. ELBETTE  
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
Dogrusu, boyle ucuz zaferler de ancak AT'tan ya da ABD'den beklenir :->  
Sunun bunun annanesi sutyen ve kulotunu gosterdi diye "ISLAMIYET ARTIK   
BITMISTIR" olsaydi yeryuzunde MUSLUMAN kalmazdi...  
  
> >MUSLUMAN KADINLARIN TEMSILCISI TURK GUZELI KERIMAN MAYO ILE ARAMIZDADIR.  
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
Hangi MUSLUMAN KADINLARININ TEMSILCISI ??!  
  
Azizim AYHANIMANTUS !  
Biz burada s*k*lmedik bir KULAGIMIZIN ARKASI kalmis onu kurtarmaya calisiyoruz
sen bize Annanem sutyenini gosterdi diye vaz-i-DEHSET saciyorsun..:->  
  
> >SULEYMANIN TORUNU ISTE MAYO VE SUDUYEN ILE ONUMUZDEDIR. KENDINI BIZLERE  
  
Hangi SULEYMAN'in ??, KUNDAKCI SULEYMAN'in mi ??  
  
Yunus der ki:  
  
"Suleyman kus dilin bilir dediler  
.  
.  
Bir Suleyman var Suleyman'dan iceri"...  
  
> >Ne zaman uyanacagiz, ne vakit aklimiz basimiza gelecek, bilmemki?..  
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^  
AKL'iniz BAS'iniza gelsin diye beklerseniz, daha COOOOOOK beklersiniz...  
Halbuki yapilacak sey o kadar basit ki: BAS'inizi AKL'a verin !  
"NEREDE AKIL ORADA BEN", deyin. => AKL'iniz s*k*nizde dahi olsa...  
  
> >Prof. Dr. Ayhan Songar  
  
"Prof. Dr." olarak siz bilmezseniz kim bilecek ?!...:->  
Siz "Prof.Dr." olarak vaktinizi boyle haybeye OSURUK'tan MESELELERe   
harcarsaniz, gerisi cemaat ne HALT etse yeridir.  
AKLI ne zaman kullanacaksiniz bilmemki?..  
AMA BU LISANLA AKIL MI KULLANILIR ?  
  
Marco Pasha.
From: HQ.GGG@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Apologies for the Sunday "tests"
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:06:50 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

Apologies fro bothering you with tests we had conducted this
weekend.

In some cases we failed to tell you we were testing to see if
our news distribution list was functioning properly.

Some of the subject lines said News/Haber but did not contain
any news.

There were 3-4 such messages. If you thought that thereis
something wrong with your/our system, that is not the case...

trknws-l editors

To:  TRKNWS-L@USCVM
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4118 talk.politics.mideast:10598 talk.politics.soviet:3354 soc.culture.soviet:2998 soc.culture.greek:3255 soc.culture.europe:3668 soc.culture.german:2988
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: ...Made Him An Invaluable Source For The Germans, 'Wieneramus.'
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:40:00 GMT


<702756323@locust.cs.duke.edu>
wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

>>has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. I also heard that Baku
>>oil was of extremely good quality. The main purpose of the Soviet troops
>>were not to balance Turkish forces, which in any event posed significant
>>threat, but rather to provide a strategic advantage for rapid deployment
>>in the middle east if need arose and block the supply of oil to the 
>>western world. You can obtain information about their strenght and
>>equipment in "Jane's Book of Defense".

>      Don't cite a text you've manifestly never read.

As usual, this is utter assertion, without even a hint of factual
data to confirm it. From the content in Orhan's article, I still 
fail to see how you could have made such a conclusion, 'Wieneramus.'
Besides, I have nothing against your ignorance personally; I must
confess a curiosity. Anyway, Nazi Armenians were of service to Germans 
in Arab countries as well, 'Wieneramus.' One well-known case which received 
a lot of media-coverage involved two Nazi Armenian agents which were
dropped over Syria by Italian war planes. The mission of the agents
was to mingle among the Armenian population in Syria and to acquire
relevant information for the German Wehrmacht on the allied forces
in the area.[1] Nazi Armenians also helped German propaganda efforts
in Arab countries designed to promote pro-Nazi sentiments among the
French- and British-ruled Arab populations. Beirut had traditionally
been strong-hold of the Nazi Armenians and until very recently it was
the center of international Armenian terrorism. 

In Russia General Dro (the Butcher), the architect of the Turkish
genocide in WWI, was working closely with the German Secret 
Service. He entered the war zone with his own men and acquired
important intelligence about the Soviets. Dro commanded 1,000
Nazi Armenians in uniforms who often operated behind Soviet
lines in addition to 1,000 civil agents. His experience with
the Turkish genocide in the Armenian Dictatorship made him an 
invaluable source for the Germans.[2]

[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 150. 
[2] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 113; Patrick von zur Muehlen,
    ibid., p. 84.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Karadeniz Turkuleri (Was: Re: News)
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <1992Apr10.222603.24321@athena.mit.edu>, ertas@athena.mit.edu
(Mehmet D Ertas) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.091546.20234@ulrik.uio.no>, suley@xantos.uio.no
(Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
> |> In article <1992Apr10.001542.23026@athena.mit.edu>,
ertas@athena.mit.edu
> |> (Mehmet D Ertas) writes:
> ........
	[ ..... ]
> |> 	Ama cok Azeri kasetleri elde edebildim.
> |> 
> Bu bahsettiginiz Azeri turkuler ozgun mu, yoksa yeniden duzenleme mi?

	Hayir tamamen orijinal, Baku'ye gidip gelen dostlarim getirirlerdi.
	Ankarada'a Azeri-plak diye bir yer varmis, bana oradanda alip
	gonderdiler, ama kaset kayitlari felaketti (Noise-to-Signal-Ratio=50).
	Eskiden Kars'taki plakcilar bol bol orijinal azeri muziyi
getirirlerdi.
	Simdi onlar da modaya uydu, arabesk ...

> Ornegin Ezginin Gunlugu adli grubun bircok Azeri yorumu var,
genellikle
> kendilerine gore duzenlemisler ama (Alagozlu Yar albumleri iyi bir
ornek). 
> Oylesi de cok guzel, ancak ozgun turkuleri de duymak isterdim.

	Evet onlarida dinledim cok guzel yapmislar, ama orijinalinden
	gerek sive gerekse muziksel ton olarak sapma var. Turkiyede
	halk severek dinliyor, sanki onlarin kulagina gore uyarlanmis.
	 

> |> > Cesitli turku sozlerinin nete gonderilmesi de ne guzel olur!



> |> 	Nota da gonderilebilirmi newsgroup'ta bir kalip bulunursa??
> |> 	ASCII-nota hakkinda bilgisi olan varmi?

> Evet, bence de nota gonderilmesi guzel olur, ancak nete nota
gondermenin
> zor olacagini dusunerek sozlerle yetinmeyi dusunmustum. Belki basit
bir ASCII
> kalip ve kisa bir programla bu is halledilebilir. Eger nota gondermeye
istekli
> varsa gerekli programlari hazirlayabilirim.

	Mumkunse iyi olur, lutfen!	
	Aslinda binary olarak (A/D-converted) gonderilir. Bu aralar Multi
media
	teknolojik atilimda, o olanaklar mumkun ve kullanabilmemiz gerek.
 
> Bu arada Turku sozlerini paylasmak isteyenler icin simdiden hodri
meydan!


> |> > Selam ve Sevgiler,
> |> 	Bendende
> |>  
> |> > Deniz
> |> 

 Selam getirmisem
 Suleyman Kondakci
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Don't Confuse 'Nazi Manuals' With 'Turkish Army Manuals,' 'Nitsche.'
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:39:00 GMT


<1992Apr8.211938.23487@u.washington.edu>
gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)

>>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                       ^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    

>Seems like parts of what he wrote were still in use as Turkish Army manuals ...

Don't confuse the Nazi manuals with the Turkish Army manuals, 'Nitsche.'
In fall 1942, the Armenian infantry battalions 808 and 809 were formed,
to be followed by battalions 810, 812 and 813 in spring 1943. In the 
second half of 1943 infantry battalions 814, 815 and 816 were created.
These battalions together with other indigenous Caucasian units were
attached to the infantry division 162. Also attached to ID 162 were
the field battalions II/9, I/125 and I/198 which were formed between
May 1942 and May 1943. Altogether twelve Armenian battalions served the
Nazi army, if battalion II/73, which was not employed at any time, is to be
included.[1] Most battalions were commanded by Nazi Armenian officers.
Armenians wore German uniforms with an armband in the Dashnag colours 
red-blue-orange and the inscription 'Armenien.'

[1] Joachim Hoffmann, 'Dies Ostlegionen 1941-1943, Turkotataren, 
    Kaukasier und Wolgafinned im deutschen Heer,' (Verlag Rombach
    Freiburg 1976), p. 172.

The Armenian SS unit was formed following a directive of Himmler in 
the beginning of December 1944.[1] The Armenian Liaison Staff actively 
recruited volunteers[2] and by February 1945 a cavalry formation of one 
thousand Armenians was integrated into the larger Caucasian Waffen-SS unit. 
The Armenian SS formation was employed last in Klagenfurt.[3] In 
addition to this exclusively Armenian unit, Nazi Armenians also served 
in the thirty eight other SS divisions, one of them even in the elite 
'Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler.'[4]

[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 136-137.
[2] United States National Archives, T-175, Roll 167, 
    pp 2700157/2700158, SS-Headquarters, Amtsgruppe D - Oststelle,
    see 'Documents 3 and 4.'
[3] Georg Tessin, 'Verbaende und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und
    Waffen-SS im zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945,' (Frankfurt am Main
    1965-1980), Volume 14, Armenian Legion/Waffen SS.
[4] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 119.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: salih@izmir.ee.uh.edu (Mehmet S. Koc)
Subject: A Poem by ATILLA ILHAN [in turkish] [was Re: Siirler] 
Organization: University of Houston Department of EE 
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:39:16 GMT


ELDE VAR HUZUN

soylesir
evvelce biz bu tenhalarda
		ziyade gulusurduk
pir pir yaldizlanirdi kanatlari kahkaha kuslarinin
ne meseller soylenirdi mercan koz nargileler
    zamanlar degisti
	     ayrilik girdi araya
			 hicrana dustuk bugun
ah nerde gencligimiz
sahilde savruluslari basibos dalgalarin
yeri gogu cinlatan tumturakli gazeller
			 elde var huzun

o sehrayin fakat cikar mi akildan
carkifeleklerin renk renk geceye dagilmasi
sirilsiklam asik incesaz
       kadehlerin mehtaba kaldirilmasi
		adeta dugun
hayat zamanda iz birakmaz
bir bosluga dusersin bir bosluktan
birikip yeniden sicramak icin
			  elde var huzun

			Atilla Ilhan
                          [1982]

------------------------
Mehmet S. Koc
salih@izmir.ee.uh.edu
salih@kestane.ee.uh.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: nsg0604@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Naci Saglam)
Subject: Re: Turkish soccer news
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:06:33 GMT

Achtung TEST =:)
.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: Dunya'da Turkiye -televizyon- (Rakamlarla Turkiye)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:49:26 GMT

 
 devam- Dunya'da Turkiye
 
Televizyon uretimi:
 
 
Uretim        Yil       1970      1975       1980        1985       1990       
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Dunya     44068     48440      71544       84875     100000  
Televizyon(bin)
             Turkiye       4       571        327        1139       1600
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
* Televizyon Dunya istatistiklerine 1970'den sonra girmeye baslamistir.
 
* 1970 yilinda Dunya'da yilda 44 milyon televizyon uretiliyor iken, bizde
  4000 adet uretilmistir. Aslida o tarihlerde bizde uretim yeni baslamisti.
 
* Dunya'da ki televizyon uretimi payimiz sirasi ile 1975 yilinda %1.1 ; 1980
  yilinda % 0.45 ; 1985 yilinda ise % 1.1 olmustur.
 
* 1990 yilinda ise Dunya'da 100 milyon televizyon uretilirken ulkemizde
  1.6 milyon televizyon uretilmistir.Yani Dunyada ki payimiz %1.6 olmustur.[#]
 
* 1975 yilinda Dunya'da 84 kisi bir televizyon uretiyor iken, Turkiye'de  70
  kisi bir televizyon uretiyordu..
 
* 1990 yilinda ise Dunyada ortalama yilda 52 kisi bir televizyon uretiyor iken,
  ulkemizde 35 kisi bir televizyon uretmektedir..
 
* 1990 yilinda uretilen televizyonun yarisi ihrac edilmistir.
 
--------
 
 [#]: Hurriyet gazetesinin 13 Kasim 1991 tarihli sayisinin ekonomi sayfasinda
      ise, TV uretiminin 1990 yilinin ilk 10 ayinda, 1.831 milyon oldugu ve
      1991 yilinin ilk 10 ayinda ise 2.060 milyonu buldugu, ve yil sonuna kadar
      2.5 milyonu asacagi yazili..
      
 
Saygilarimla,
ismet
 
 
                    Mutluyum, cunku basardim.
From: v103rz6k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (OSMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ne Oldu???????
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92104.155550E55940@TRMETU.BITNET>, E55940@TRMETU.BITNET writes...
>Neden uzun bir suredirSCT de hic makale yok????
> 
> 
>selamlar,
> 
> 
>Gakkos



Bizde uzun zamandir hep merak eder dururuz, neden sct'de artik makale
yayinlanmiyor diye..Halbuki yazacak, yazacak durumda olmasa bile
Forward edecek bir ton adam var burada..Bu sorunun Turkiye'den soruluyor 
olmasi harika, bizde oradakilere sunu soralim: 
Niye ABD secimleri ile ilgili istatistikler filan gondermiyorsunuz.??
veya Baseball sonuclari??

Halbuki, hani siz oradan ODTU guz etkinlikleri, Dogu Karadeniz ekici Tutun
piyasasi, Yas cay yapragi destekleme alimlari, Pirinc piyasasi uzerine oynanan
oyunlar, Turk Lirasinin konvertibilite edilmesi, Culluk'larin yumurtlama
mevsimi nedeniyle av yasagi, vb.. gibi konularda bilgiler, makaleler 
ulastirsaniz, bizleri sevindirip, ihya etseniz ne de hos olur..
Hele Ayhan Songar'in makaleleri filan varsa (bkz. Dunya Guzeli) hic vakit 
gecirmeden gonderin, sct'ye yollayamasaniz bile, ortaliklara biryere birakin,
nasilsa Forward edecek biri cikar..

osman-->Forward'da lider
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: armagan@PRC.Unisys.COM (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: Soccer News
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Paoli Research Center; Paoli, PA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:58:46 GMT

Besiktas: 1     Fenerbahce: 0
 Zeki 89'

Trabzonspor: 2  Galatasaray: 3  (Bu mac Ankara'da oynandi)
  Cyzio          Erhan
  Hami           Kosecki(2)

 

Ligin zirvesindeki son durum:

                O   G  B  M  A   Y    P   Avj.
----------------------------------------------
Besiktas        25 19  6  -  49  15   63  +34
Fenerbahce      24 18  2  4  56  23   56  +33
Galatasaray     24 17  3  4  40  18   54  +22
Trabzon         25 16  4  5  53  26   52  +27


Gol kralliginda son durum:

 Hami (Trabzon)  18
 Feyyaz (BJK)    17
 Aykut (FB)      16
 Tanju (FB)      14


----------------------------------------------------------------
 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax, Center for Advanced Information Technology
________________________________________________________________
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 15:55:50 TUR
From: <E55940@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject:    Ne Oldu???????

Neden uzun bir suredirSCT de hic makale yok????


selamlar,


Gakkos
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From: hbm@ddsw1.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Typical 'Withers.' Always Has To Stick His Pretty Nose Into...
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.m0lYVTP-0003YPC


<1992Apr7.004835.5314@actrix.gen.nz>
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz

>Rather
>than sent endless, spleen-filled E-Mail to the uncaring Mr. Mutlu (who may,
>infact, not even exist - right, Mr Cosar/Kosar/Coras?), we decided to have
>some fun instead.
 
Typical 'Withers.' Always has to stick his pretty nose into every
discussion with non-points. While having collaborated with the Nazis 
against Stalin during the Second World War, Nazi Armenians changed 
their policy after Hitler's defeat. They now backed Stalin's claims 
on Eastern Turkish provinces, hoping that these would be annexed to 
Soviet Armenia and their Muslim population would be exterminated. 
Stalin played on Armenian national sentiments to enlist the support 
of Armenians in the USSR and America for his imperial ambitions.[1] 
Stalin's ultimatum to the Turkish government led Truman to formulate 
his famous Doctrine.

[1] Walter Kolarz, 'Religion in the Soviet Union,' (London, Macmillan &
    Co Ltd; New York, St Martin's Press 1961), pp. 160-164.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: THEO@licra.dn.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Crime Rates in Some Countries
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:24:18 GMT
Organization: Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research

In article <1992Apr13.151258.29289@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) writes:
> Crime Rates (out of million) in 1988:
> 
> U.S.A.        89
> Venezuella    77
> Finland       28
> Bulgaria      26
> Canada        19
> Italy         19
> Poland        18
> Sweden        12
> Greece        11
> Germany       11
> France        10
> Holland        9
> Japan          8
> Turkiye        3
> (the other countries were not listed in the table.)
> 
> Nokta 29 Mart 1992, Source: NYU, Prof. David Greenberg
> 
> It is interesting to see the 100% literate Finland having almost 10 times
> higher crime rate than Turkiye. What do you think, Jarmo?
> 
> Regards,
> Ahmet Parlakbilek 

Could you expand on the reference and what do the numbers mean? ie. what 
type of crimes (drug etc).  Also, what is the system of policing, crime figure 
compiling, the ruthlesness which the guilty are subjected to.  It is 
interesting to note anyway, that Japan and Turkey are close; "Certain 
countries, incl. Japan and Turkey have contained the problem (Drug abuse) 
by a mixture of ruthlesness and education", Terrorism, Drugs and Crime in 
Europe after 1992, by Richard Clutterbuck, 1990, Routledge Press, p. 112.  
Finally I am very surprised that countries such as Brazil are not up there, 
so how many countries were left out?

Theo Mantamadiotis
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Who'll Be The Next 'iesd.auc.dk' President? 'Lars P. Fisher?'
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.m0lbWSl-0003YPC



<FISCHER.92Apr15000752@thor.iesd.auc.dk>
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)

Lars> I know that your not a moron like Hasan B. Mutlu.
Lars> There's no need for to you act like one.

Hasan> Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
Hasan> [...]

>Thanks for proving my point, Hasan.

Remember, straying off the ranch into the land of pecadilloes can hurt 
you a lot, 'Lars.'

>BTW, do you have a macro or something for that Newsgroups: line?

You don't have to be enemies with the newsgroups, 'Fischer.' Well, anyway,
it is on the record that the British said to local Armenians, 

'You kill the Muslims and we will supply you with arms and ammunition.'[1]

Armenian volunteers concentrated at the Turkish border in Caucasia,[2]
and then attacked Van,[3] Bitlis,[4] Nakhichevan,[4] Beyazit,[5] and
Kars and Erzurum.[6] The Commander fo the 15th Army Corps wrote that Armenian 
units had attacked many Turkish villages with artillery and machine guns,
that the local people's goods and animals had been usurped, that young women
had been taken away, the women and children had been tortured to death in
the mountains, that these attacks on the properties, lives and honor of the
Muslims were still being perpetrated.[7]

[1] BBA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, 212/404, 6 October 1904-1919.
[2] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Sifre Kalemi: 20.vi.1919, 86/53/40.59.
[3] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, November 1335 (1919), document
    no. 8339/98.
[4] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, 28.viii.1919. cipher no. 7620.
[5] Belgelerle Ermeni Sorunu (Ankara, 1983), p. 370.
[6] Ibid., p. 371.
[7] For information on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims: Islam Ahalinin
    Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat, 1919.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: So, Where Is The Beef, 'Skartsis?'
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:30:00 GMT


<1992Apr14.160935@imhfhp16.epfl.ch>
gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (GAVRILAKIS Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL)

>'It is more than a year since Greece promised strict implementation of
>a medium-term stabilisation programme in return for Ecu 1.1bn EC loan.
>But annual inflation is still stubornly high at 18.3%, despite a public
>sector pay freeze, while public debt, which amounted to 95%(!!) of GDP
>last year, shows little sign of shrinking.

95%? I have nothing to add to this comment.

>Growth of GDP in 1990 : 0.1%

Speaks for itself; Turkiye, notwithstanding the high population
growth, has been able to achieve a sustained growth rate not less
than 6 percent over the last decade.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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