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From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon Xapshot help !!!!!
Keywords: Xapshot wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:07:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <7APR199214584645@aedc-vax.af.mil> daugherty@aedc-vax.af.mil (Tom Daugherty A11442 x4647) writes:
>In article <mac1.702617186@Ra.MsState.Edu>, mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes...>
>
>>  I am looking to purchase a Canon Xapshot through mail order.
>>  Need to know where canI get it from at a reasonable price and
>>  more important a new one (not a used one in cognito)
>>  Someone earlier posted a list/survey of reasonable camera retailers/    
>>  mail-order places. I would appreciate if I can get a copy.
>>  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>  Thanx alot in advance.
>
>
>
>I would also appreciate any info on the Xapshot as well as 
>any info on compatibility with Amiga software, hardware, DigaView, 
>etc.
>

	I've seen the Xapshot advertised for $379.00.
From: astro@iris1.oceanroutes.ns.ca (ASTRO)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 4 x 5 camera help
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:54:47 GMT
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

My original reply got bounced..but here is a summary related to donl's very
excellent posting:

(1) Sinar f series cameras are very good for location work, and can
be broken down into a briefcase if necessary.  Since they are modular and
compatible with the entire Sinar system, you have a studio and field
camera wrapped up in one.  THe F series are WAY cheaper than the P's...and you 
wouldn't want to drag a P-2 out to the woods....

(2) Calumet roll backs (model C2N) in 6x7 format are very handy and well
built.  My only complaint is that the darkl slides can slip out a bit if you
aren't very careful!!!  I also have a graflex back, but the convenience of
slipping the calumet behind the glass like a 4x5 film holder is great..
and the C2N new is a very good price, even compared to a graflex used.

I use 6x7 with my Sinar a lot as it is very economical and saves me and
my clients time and money.

(3) A bag bellows is pretty essential if you use a 90mm or wider
lens.

(4) 90, 150, and 210 lenses will give you a great selection
of coverage in both 4x5 and 6x7.  You'd be surprised what you can
do with a 90mm, a 6x7 back and your tilts....

(5) 18" of extention is about all you need for lenses up to 210 mm
unless you are into hyper close-up work....


brian
From: davidd@noaapmel.gov (David Doll)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: followup: mechanical cameras
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:51:13 GMT
Organization: NOAA, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA


Many thanks to all who have replyed. Almost everyone of the couple of
dozen, mentioned the FM2...Several brought up good points concerning
lens (old and new and AF) and how they would work with the current camera
and perhaps with a new body. I found out about a swap meet near where
I live, so I'll go there and check things out; and I'll pick up a copy
of Shutterbug. Have a good day and happy shooting.

David

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From: shoppa@erin.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA)
Subject: Printing-out papers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:12:00 GMT

Hi,
	Most of my photo books have some reference to printing-out (contact
printing) papers, but then quickly say that I don't want to use them and
move on to the subject of enlarging papers.  The photo shops nearby don't
normally stock Kodak printing-out papers, such as Velox or Azo, and the people
who work there don't know anything about them.  I remember reading something
in one of the Ansel Adams books about Weston nearly abandoning photography
when platinum paper was discontinued, but then he discovered the wonderful
properties of one of these Kodak papers.

I have 3 questions:

1.  Why do all my photo books tell me I don't want to use printing-out papers?

B.  How would I actually use such a paper?  I don't see why I couldn't also
use it for enlarging, if it can be used for contact printing.  I remember
reading something about long exposure times with such papers, and something
about not developing the paper, but just desensitizing the paper after
exposure.

III.  What qualities does a print made on printing-out paper have?  If
Weston liked it, I might like it too.  But then it seems that hardly
anyone else uses it.

					Thanks,
					Tim (Shoppa@erin.caltech.edu)
From: s921886@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Chun Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried the Kodak/Nikon electronic camera?
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:39:34 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

rsilvers@powwow.nynexst.com (Rob Silvers) writes:



>	Kodak has an electronic camera that is based on a Nikon
>F3 with a special back.  It grabs 1280x1024 with 24 bits of 
>color - better than HDTV quality (and some color films).  Has
>anyone tried this system yet?  What are your impressions?  It
>should be neat because it will upload the data to a Mac through
>SCSI.  This system would beat the hell out of a Polaroid back
>for evaluating lighting, of course, you could buy a lot of
>Polaroid film for $20,000.00

>					--Rob.
Hi:
I think it not only goes on F3 but goes on F4 too, see it is only a databack type of gadget, so it can basically goes on anything. I work for Kodak (when not at Uni) seen it, played with it, must sat I like it, just a bit too bulky... the back the pack..etc but it is reall really handy, the recent Australian Open Tennis used this Kodak gadget so the press can post their latest pictures arond the wolrd in 5 minutes, I must say I want one... but the price is putting me back.
It has interface for the Mac and PC, you can touch up the photots using photoshop and all those lovelly retouching programmes.... it grabs you by heart.
regards
James
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Re: B&H: Please help!
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:11:09 GMT

From article <l+yjywk@lynx.unm.edu>, by mwfolsom@hydra.unm.edu (Mike Folsom):
> In article <1992Apr13.231251.25547@a.cs.okstate.edu> ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG) writes:
>>
>>The order was put in exactly two weeks ago with a guy named John at B&H.
>>A Sigma 180/5.6 APO micro, at the advertised price.  I asked would it be
>>here in a week, and he said yes.  Now it is two weeks, it is still not here,
>>and they charged the amount to my credit card the day I ordered.
>>
>>I have dealt with NYC shops before and most of them were disastors.  But after
>>seeing support for both B&H and Andorama in this group, I thought maybe
>>there are some that are all right.  So, if you have dealt with them
>>before, what works?  I mean how do you make them send you the goods?

Thanks to all who replied to my request for help.  I just received my order,
or so I thought.  It is a Sigma 180/5.6 APO micro for Nikon all right, but it 
is MANUAL FOCUS!  Now why would I order a MF lens minutes right after I
ordered a Nikon F4s?

After seeing mostly positive-towards-B&H replies, I doubt B&H is trying to
get rid of MF lenses, it is probably the salesperson writing error.  I called
(had to use toll, their 800 customer service number was engaged all the time)
and the lady said for me to send back the lens for refund, and put in a 
new order, this would be faster (ha, ha, ha).

Please, I think that B&H is all right.  It is just that in my case I always
receive mail-order (computer or photo) in 3 or 4 days.  After (anxiously)
waiting for 2 weeks and then got a wrong lens, I hope you can understand
how I feel. 

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bullis@polari.com
Subject: Re: Printing-out papers
Reply-To: uunet!polari!bullis
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:38:51 GMT

sparks@col.hp.com (John Sparks) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.214450.25939@hubcap.clemson.edu> stmwang@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sam Wang) writes:
>>..... Is there much difference between the old Kodak Studio
>>Proof and making your own Salt Print using fixed out photo paper?

>The article I read about Printing out papers was written by the president
>of The Chicago Albumen Works.  He said that the commercial P.O.P's were
>very similar in look to prints on hand coated Albumen paper.  Is this the
>same as Salt Prints?

Albumen, as the name implies, is an eggwhite vehicle for the sensitive salts.
Awhile back, here on rec.photo, I seem to recall a long thread dealing with
albumen, chickens, how many eggs were cracked/day just to service the photo
industry, what was done with all the yolks, etc.

Salted papers are heavily sized papers (sometimes with lac) which are "salted"
by floating on an ammonium chloride solution.  It is then "sensitized" with 
silver nitrate.

There should be no reason (that I can think of anyway) why the process wouldn't
work using fixed out paper.  How about RC salted prints?  That is ridiculous 
enough to be even interesting!

I just checked Keepers of Light, and didn't find an albumen recipe.  There is
a thorough treatment of salted papers in Photographic Facts and Formulas (Wall
and Jordan) -- if you know the book you would no doubt expect that.  Great 
Book.  Somewhere around here on the back of an envelope, I have another recipe
from BJ, but have no idea where to look.

Sam, -- I shudder to have to admit that I have yet to make my first salted
print.  I, who have been sitting on a little trove of silver nitrate for 20
years, saving it for just that purpose!  Time to fire up the Nuarc!  But I 
fear I must move first.

Larry			bullis%polari@uunet.uu.net (redundent, but it works)
			BEWARE the @polari.com address (it doesn't work)


>John Sparks
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Re: Cambridge - watch out!
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:47:21 GMT

From article <1992Apr16.223529.3723@research.nj.nec.com>, by dan@research.nj.nec.com (Dan Ruderman):
> 	I assume there is some way to get something worthwhile out of
> 	those guys -- they've been around too long to simply be
> 	crooks.  Any suggestions?

How about Cambridge, aka School of Famous Liers, Bad Attitude, and 
Super-Duper-Ultra-Slow Shipping&Handling (mine took nearly 3 months).
From: cordes@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Printing-out papers
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:54:36 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


>OK Larry. Is there much difference between the old Kodak Studio   
>Proof and making your own Salt Print using fixed out photo paper? 
>Figure you could answer that.    

If you are indeed interested in alternative photo processes, you might wish
to investigate one of a number of books by Luis Nadeau.  Nadeau publishes
under his own label, but his books are available from Light Impressions in
Rochester.  I have three of them here:  History and Practice of Platinum
Printing, History and Practice of Oil and Bromoil Printing, and History and
Practice of Carbon Processes.  The last address I have is Luis Nadeau, 
PO Box 221, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada, E3B 4Y9.

I had the good fortune to work with Luis on the platinum book.  I did a lot
of the lab work and material testing under his guidance.  I also designed a
simple high-UV light source which is suitable for contact printing with 
slow POP or in my case platinum papers.  (I'd like to disagree with whoever
stated that platinum was part "developing out" and part "printing out".)
The complete instructions for it's construction is in both the Platinum and 
Bromoil books as an appendix, but in a nutshell it consists of a bank of 
eight Spectro F20T10BL fluorescent lamps mounted under a work table.  These 
are high UV tubes, basically blacklights without the nickel oxide coating 
and are expensive to purchase, but last for many hours of printing.  The 
project would cost under $200 to build and gives reasonable print times.
The fluorescents run fairly cool and give consistent results once they warm
up.

So far as paper selection goes, I'd like to discourage you from fixing 
modern photo paper and "salting" it.  For platinum or palladium printing I
found such papers totally unsatisfactory.  It was (near) impossible to get 
a satisfactory coating on these papers.  At the cost of platinum, you won't 
wish to waste sensitizer screwing around with poor materials.  Go with a 
high quality mold-made paper such as Rives BFK or Arches Cover.  We tested
more combinations of papers, sizings, sensitizers, "developers" and 
clearing agents than I care to recall, but I have vivid memories of how 
poorly traditional photo papers performed at the sensitizing stage.  Stick
with the matte archival art papers.  If you want a glossier end result you
can soak the finished print in gelatin and even ferrotype if desired.
From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: FREE stuff (SF Bay Area)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:09:21 GMT
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA

All this stuff is available FOR FREE.

But you do have to pick them up yourself - either in Palo Alto or Santa
Clara, CA (San Francisco Bay Area).

- Motorized print drum roller, Beseler. Just the thing for Unicolor
  or Ciba print processing drums. There are some cracks in the rubber
  wheels but they still roll just fine. I guarantee more than your
  money's worth!

- Every issue of Camera Arts magazine

- Every issue of American Photographer magazine

- Every issue of American Photo magazine

The above three magazines are all related in the following way:

    AM PHOTOG       CAMERA ARTS
       |                 |
       |-----------------
       |
    AM PHOTOG
       |
    AM PHOTO

I will sort by title, but not by issue or year. The whole run of each mag,
or none - that's the deal. Again, I guarantee many times more than your
money's worth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Tony Arnerich       
Hewlett Packard                                /\/\
Scientific Instruments Division               / /\ \_______/\____/\___
1601 California Ave., Palo Alto, Ca. 94304  _/_//\\_______/  \_______
                                            _/\/  \____/\________ 
tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com                    /  \___/\__________

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From: schin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Photo finishing equipment
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: schin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (neil schier)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: schin@dopey.cc.utexas.edu

Hello
A friend of mine wishes to start a photo finishing business in Russia.
Do you know where , in the US or elsewhere, he could pick up one of those
big photofinishing units.
Thanks in advance
Neil
.
From: hasan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Canon Rebel: Problem with Mult. Exposure
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:24:41 GMT



I have recently bought a Canon EOS Rebel and i was experimenting with
its various features when i noticed this problem with the multiple
exposure. 

Fortunately or unfortunately I was on the last two frames of the film.
I set the camera on multiple exposure for 2 exposures (ME 2). The camera
was on aperture priority and -1 step exposure compensation. I took the
first picture and everything went smoothly. However, when i tried to
take a second picture, now on the last frame of the film, the camera
unloaded the film after the first exposure itself. It did not let me
make a second exposure on the last frame even with the ME 2 setting.

Has anyone else had this experience? Is this a design defect in the 
Rebel or is it a problem with just my camera? I would be glad to get
any experience/comments on this. I understand that it might be 
difficult to duplicate the situation, because normally when you are
on the last frame of the film you don't remember to note such things.

Thanks

zafar hasan
email: hasan@risky.ecs.umass.edu
From: astro@iris1.oceanroutes.ns.ca (ASTRO)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: my access evaporating
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:02:24 GMT
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

I have just found out that my access to usenet and thus rec.phos being
shut down at the end of the month (not Sytfx, but a commercial
site I have had access to...recession and all that has made them decide to trim
expenditures.

If anyone knows of an interner access to usenet, I'd be interested...we don't
have it at Stfx, abd I have had to telnet to the iris system to get on this
band....

THat also explains the other problems we have had,...no one is minding the store

regards
brian
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: supplies@sklib.usask.ca
Subject: Nikon FE for sale
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:42:34 GMT

Mint condition FE for sale w/50mm lens
Will consider offers around 480.00
Mail me an offer.
Money back guarantee.
Not just looking good, working perfectly.

David Bindle
From: lkoh@oak.math.ucla.edu (Liang Koh)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: buying used Peterson used viewing lens
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:36:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department


I would like to get an used Peterson 6x6 viewing lens. please email me if
you have an offer
From: 00dklyon@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: RE: ONE FILM
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:24:32 GMT

as far as color and sharpness and grain I think it compares to
Kodacolor 100 

but I have only used about 5 rolls
three of which were rolled wrong in the cassette and
would not feed out they were jammed or something ???

so I do not plan on using anymore

...
From: reid@pa.dec.com (Brian Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: is there a "Leica users" mailing list?
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:15:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Apr7.041509.7183
Organization: DEC Network Systems Laboratory


Well, there was enough interest that I've created a mailing list for users of
rangefinder cameras. I've named it after the most famous rangefinder camera,
the Leica, but users of other brands are welcome.

To get on the list, please send mail to

	leica-users-request@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us

(also reachable this way: decwrl!mejac!leica-users)

If you can't figure out how to do this, send me mail to decwrl!reid or
reid@pa.dec.com or just use "reply" to this message.

(mejac.palo-alto.ca.us is my home computer; I'm running the mailing list from
there because I'd like to keep it separate from my office computers).

Brian Reid
reid@pa.dec.com
Xref: sparky rec.photo:6745 misc.legal:8913 alt.bbs:3325
From: finn@isi.edu (Greg Finn)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.legal,alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Ways of chilling or banning Usenet
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:40:30 GMT
Reply-To: finn@dalek.isi.edu (Greg Finn)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

In article <1992Apr6.192723.1563@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:

>....  One need only look at the inability of the
>recording and movie industry with regard to that industry's desire
>for restrictive legislation against copyright infringing duplication
>of movies anbd audio recordings.  There has yet to be any law passed
>that even partially addresses movie/recording piracy, etc.

	This is interesting.  How do you explain the repeated arrests
for movie/recording pirating?  Living in Los Angeles I often hear
reported FBI and local arrests for this, often accompanied by film of
thousands of cassettes or VHS tapes being confiscated.  Pretty wierd
considering "There has yet to be any law passed that even partially
addresses movie/recording piracy, etc".

	I don't think that you are well informed on this subject.
--
Gregory Finn	(310) 822-1511
Information Sciences Institute, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 15:10:47 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: For Sale

Deardorff 5x7 Home Portrait: With three 5x7 film holders, good wood, lens board
                             no lens.  Tom (408)268-2955 Home
                             $350.00 BO    (415)926-3426 Work
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: sch@gargoyle.unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth)
Subject: Hint for Printo owners (and others)
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:46:00 GMT
Originator: sch@gargoyle.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 815

Wandering around in my local grocery store the other day, I noticed that
Rubbermaid sells an assortment of airtight storage containers. In particular,
they sell a "Two Liter" juice container. I noticed that there was still
room in the container above the 2.0L mark, so I bought a couple as an
experiment. It turns out my guess was correct: these containers hold
2.5L just perfectly, with only a slight additional air space near the lid.

Given that Printos use 2.5L of chemistry per step, these containers make
perfect storage bottles. They even have a sealable pour spout. For
tube processing people, these, or their relatives, would make perfect
bottles for mixing and tempering chemistry. They have marks for volume
in English and metric units. They only cost about $2.00 each.

Steve Holzworth
sch@unx.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Nikon vs. Canon Optics?
Summary: Comments anyone?  Mail me.
Keywords: Canon Nikon Optics Lenses Sorry Mail
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:53:45 GMT

Sorry to do this to you all.  I'm sure the wounds from wars long past
have only begun to heal.  Alas, I am naive and looking at a camera
system and would like to know:

	Is there a substantial difference between
	Canon and Nikon lenses?

To spare total bandwidth carnage, please mail your responses to me.
If there's an archive I can consult, feel free to point me at that.

Thanks.

ACS

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