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From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: What is the status of FurryMuck?
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:15:45 -0500
Organization: Raccoon-Silkies have more fun !

In article <1992Oct10.034429.29467@netcom.com>, starcat@netcom.com (Solaris Gato) writes:
> In article <9OCT92.21555334@umbc2.umbc.edu> noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>>	It has been about 24 hours since I last tried to telnet to FurryMuck 
>>and every time I get timed out.  What gives?
>>	Rumors I heard flying around range from the router at CMU being down to 
>>a full-scale administrative edict to remove the game from their system.  If 
>>anyone out there knows the TRUTH I would really appreciate it.

> However, a FurryMuck still exists (with a slightly older database) at
> 128.100.102.51 8888    however, it is a temporary site and there are no
> promises as to its ability to remain there. It was originally intended
> as a testsite version of FurryMuck to debug the code. 

 As shouted by Shaterri last night on the site above - the cmu site *is gone*.
Why is not yet clear, but they may not even have access to the recent db
backups. In the meantime, a new site is being searched for - if you know of
anywhere suitable (needs around 60Mb disk space), many, many furries will be
extremely grateful..

-- Porsupah

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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: PhilCon
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:19:39 GMT

	Peter "Speet" Stoller is definatly going, though he is further up north 
than you and me.
	Down here I am definately going, my younger bother is a maybe, and I 
think Data & Roni may come up (you may remeber them from Balticon at Lt. Cmdr 
Data and teh Catain (feline) in the Starfleet uniform.
	Looking forward to it
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:51:13 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct14.080504.15903@netcom.com>, fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:
> 
>>The first is to make their
>>furry characters completely human in every way except for physical
>>appearance (of which Hepcats and Usagi Yojimbo are just two of many
>>examples).
> 
> When an author does this, I often wonder why the author chose to place
> his characters in a furry universe.  Humans would have worked just as

For me, there are a couple of reasons:

a) I like to draw furries.  I don't like to feel forced to write about
characters that *have* to be totally alien from human behavior.  Most of my
situations that I've been writing about (a ton of half-finished texts, some of
which I hope I can eventually get fixed up for Zoomorphica or Yarf, once I
solve the problem of Totally Inane Plots) have characters whose origins would
make human-like behavior desireable.  i.e. "Replicants" created to serve humans
would probably work better if they behaved like (good, subserviant) humans
rather than uncivilized, quirky animals.

b) Furries' *physical* characteristics can be interesting.  Winged dragons. 
Spiky porcupines.  Wolves with big gnashy teeth and sharp claws (Grrr!).  Cats
with night vision and superhuman dexterity.  You know, superhero stuff.  The
stuff that powergamers thrive on.  =)  Never said my stories were any *good*,
just trying to provide some answers at least from my perspective.
-- 
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From: nunnemaJ@moravian.edu (john s nunnemacher)
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:42:12 EDT

In <alberti.719159203@staff.tc.umn.edu> alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>In <9210150222.AA12953@intercon.com> mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler) writes:
>>Maybe the creator just happens to like furries?  Perhaps they're more 
>>visually interesting? 
>Maybe they're just easier to draw.

  Argh ..

  Yes, in many cases I will say this is true .. BUT .. there is also a
  certain mastery that can be achieved.

  It is 'easy' to draw animals as opposed to people, simply because
  they're more recognizable at a glance ... It's got pointed ears and
  black 'socks' and a white tuft on its tail, it must be a fox ... as
  opposed to people, which are difficult to draw and to get a specific
  likeness for (whether it be the likeness of a real person, or the
  likeness of a single character drawn over and over.)
  That, and the fact that since most readers see many more people in a
  day than they see of any specific animal, it is much easier to see any
  flaws in a drawing of a person than in an animal.

  However, to draw animals *well* ... THAT is another matter entirely,
  and it introduces many problems, some identical to the ones involved
  in drawing people, and some entirely new.

>>[comparing similarities of Marvel characters, minus costume and hair
>> color]	
>I think the same could be said for a lot of 'furry' material.  Take away
>their accessories and most of them look the same, too.

  Again, this is highly dependant on the talent of the artist in
  question ...

>And 'furry' stories
>are often the same trite, uninteresting melodramas one finds in a lot
>of mainstream comics (worse, in many cases).  Any decent writer/artist
>should be able to tell a story with an entire cast of, say, foxes, and have
>each character clearly differentiated from the other.  That this is not
>often the case says something about the quality of most 'furry' material.

  (Thank you for the second sentence in that paragraph ...)

  Yes, thank you ... there IS a lot of 'furry' trite out there, but I
  believe that is more a problem with the comic book and science fiction
  mediums (that is, high percentage of trite) than it is a problem with
  animal stories per se.

  Anyway, I've rambled enough for now ...

						Another two cents,
							john
-- 
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From: pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Thomas Pluck)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: PhilCon
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:38:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'll be going to PhilCon, leaving from near Newark New Jersey. I might drag 
'Miaowara' from furrymuck along, too... see you there. :)

---Tom
aka Roxiana & Japhet
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: IO10716@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Jason McIntosh)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:33:13 GMT
 <raboczi.719149374@s1.elec.uq.oz.au>
Organization: University of Maine System


Woo, interesting li'l duscussion. Wish I knew how to quote on this old clunker
of a system, though...

Anyways... Being quite the omnivorous funnybook reader, I was pondering this
question myself just the other day...

It seems to me that, to some writers, funny animal characters are a useful tool
for when the story in question would simply be more "comfortable" with them
than it would would humans. I have a little trouble imagining Usagi Yojimbo
with an all human cast... that would add a big amount of "realism" to the
stories by itself, and it would be tough to pull of all the cartoony body
movements, facial expressions, and people saying "Yow yow!" all the time.
It could still be DONE, of course, and it might still work well... but furries
just seem natural for a semi-serious sort of role like this.
Surreal or extremely unnatural things like Sam & Max or even Looney Tunes also
apply just the same here, methinks...
With humans, the reader naturally expects some "standardness," but when ya
bring in the walkin' talkin' animals, well, that sort of tears down the stand-
ards just enough so that the writer can run with whatever he wants in the void
that's left over.


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From: beth@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (elisabeth b. shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: FurryMuck status
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:03:05 GMT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

Here's what we have on the situation: Powers-that-be at CMU stole their 
machine back, and now it's up on Hawkwind in Toronto.  Meanwhile, Tal and 
I have had problems connecting with our access site in Michigan.  Last 
word we got is that the Muck at Hawkwind has problems handling more than 
50 users at once.  They're checking into this as I post this.

Meanwhile, we're checking into options of our own.  If we can get enough 
people to donate to the cause (Ghodz, I'm sounding like a PBS pledge 
drive), we'd like to get a feed through Tulane and save the Muck 
ourselves.  It's going to take a lot of effort, though...we'll need a 
couple more phone lines in the house, and we'll also need clearance from 
Tulane to establish a SLIP connection.

Any takers?

Beth, aka Aki on FurryMUCK.

Save the Furries!
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: RE: PhilCon
Date: 11 Oct 92 10:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu

UM>        Peter "Speet" Stoller is definatly going, though he is further up no
UM>than you and me.

Yeah, but you're in touch with him more often.

I will probably call him, since I can't count on going to the A/FA
meeting next weekend. (I am getting a wee bit o' surgery tomorrow.)
I have to ask if he can help us get one of our other guests down here or
maybe put him up over night. We can get the guy from Canada to NYC but
the e.t.a. rots.

UM>        Down here I am definately going, my younger bother is a maybe, and I
UM>think Data & Roni may come up (you may remeber them from Balticon at Lt. Cmd
UM>Data and teh Catain (feline) in the Starfleet uniform.
UM>        Looking forward to it

Yep, I remember them. Glad to have them.

BTW, the local Amiga group went ape went they heard Schwartz was coming
and now we might have them moving their monthly meeting to Philcon, too.

And having RAY HARRYHAUSEN there didn't hurt either...

 * SLMR 2.1a * Yea, verily, bear witness to the glory of FUR!
                                                                            
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: (Almost) All-Canadian Show Last Night
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:09:46 GMT

OK, useless posting time...

Do you realise last night's show was *this* close to having
all Canadian guests?  (Imagine my thumb and forefinger *really* 
close together...)

Obviously, Manon Rheaume is Canadian, as are the two guys from 
Blue Rodeo, Greg Keelor (the one that looks like a derelict) and 
Jim Cuddy.

BUT, of course Jay thomas is an American.

"Gee, Scott. I don't see the connection.  What's your point?"

Well, of course, Jay played goalie Eddie Lebec on "Cheers" for a 
couple of years (before the tragic Zamboni accident), and Eddie was 
from Quebec as well.  Ooooooooohhhhh...

In fact, I'm quite surprised Jay didn't bring this up during his
spot, considering another Quebecois goalie was on the show...

...and is it just me, or does anyone else think "ah-kee is mah
passion" would've been something Dave would have repeated endlessly
throughout the show had Manon been on earlier in the night?

...and just to waste more of your time, I'll just remind everyone
that after she became the first woman to play Major Junior hockey
for Trois Rivieres, Playboy offered her $50 000 to pose in the buff.
She declined, of course, but I gotta wonder what they're offering now
that she's played in the bigs...

Anyway, just thought I'd share...


Later,
That Scott Guy
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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Dave Looks Bothered!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:12:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Dave writes:

>Maybe it's just me, but Dave has looked really bothered lately. Ever
>since the cat was let out of the bag that he wants to leave NBC, he appears
>distraught (sp). Almost as if he is just going through the motions. I know
>what you are thinking... BLASPHEMER! But honestly, the other night I was 
>watching and it was really bad. The audience wasn't really responding, his
>gags were kinda' lame, and Paul wasn't there. Maybe I was just tired, or
>maybe I am expecting too much from Dave, but I haven't really gotten a whole
>lot of genuine laughs out of LNWDL lately. Granted, i was dying over the
>'HOT BUTTONS' and I always enjoy Tom Brokaw and Maria Schriver.(Why do you    
>think news people are so damn funny? Tom brokaw, Maria Schriver, Connie Chung)
>Anyway, does anyone else out there feel the same. I do consider myself a big
>fan and watch his show every night, but he doesn't seem to have that same
>sparkle in his eye...                      
>                
>                                               Dave

Well, I have a different perspective. To me, the fact that
Dave has been openly vocal about his feelings toward NBC gives
his show "more edge" to it. I didn't see the show you mentioned,
so maybe you caught him on a bad day. However, in general, I'd have
to say that Late Night is better than ever. David still does a 
better job of saying things we wish we could say to celebrities,
but can't. No cuddly Arsenio looking at his shows every five
seconds and going "yeah....". This is GE-bashing, NBC- Executive-
provoking Letterman at his best....


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
-- 
"If we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto,
 We'll just be bogus, too."-- Dr. Jeff Spicolli
From: v070r6vw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David C Valenzuela)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Crispen Glover
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct11.163524.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu (Pete Sabotka) writes...
>:  
>:About 6 years ago, Crispen Glover of "Back to the Fututre" fame was a guest on
>:LNWDL, and he proceded to act really weird - he was angry about negative press, 
>:I think, and he showed his manliness by sending a pathetic roundhouse kick
>:at Dave's head - at this point, they went to commercial.  When they came back
>:on air, Crispen was gone...
>: 
>:Did he ever explain just what the hell he was doing?  And does anyone remember
>:that episode in more detail?  You see, my memory hasn't been the same since I
>:turned 20 :).
> 
>I vaguely remember seeing this show.  If memory serves, he had had very long
>hair, and was wearing late 60's "hippie" attire.  I wish I had seen the 
>next show he was on, to see if he was just as screwed up as the first time.
>pete


I seem to remember him being on recently, I think in the last year. As I recall
Dave ignored the topic of what happened on the first show for most of the 
interview, but then couldn't resist. He asked about what he was doing, and 
Crispin apologized and made some lame excuse about it being a character in a
movie he was doing. Crispin, indeed, did do a film in the last year or so where
the character looked EXACTLY the way he did the night he tried to decapitate
Dave. They showed footage of the film and there he was, exactly as seen. I still
think Crispin is a psycho, but with this latest bit of info, its tuff to say.
All I know, was on the recent show, he was dressed normal almost preppy looking
and was awfully polite to Dave, even when Dave did harass him about the prior
interviews. I think in total Crispin has been on 3 times, twice as a psycho,
and the latest as a relatively normal person. Anyone else remember the most
recent show?

					Dave
From: lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Paul Schaeffer (sp--sorry)
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:41:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Case Center, Michigan State University


Why does Dave call Paul, "Paul Shaver"?  I heard him pronounce it that way 
the other night.  Is there a joke about this?  What's the deal?

Jennifer (j)
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Dave loves Elle
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:03:35 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> insert name here writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <BvtC7K.2Es@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
> Posted: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:21:19
>
> Org.  : University of Waterloo
>
> In article <1992Oct8.014440.24450@fx.com>, grady@fx.com (Steven Grady)
> writes:
> > jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu  writes:
> > >Dave... IN LOVE???
> > >If Dave is on love with ANYONE its Teri Garr!!!
> > No no no, Connie Chung.
>
> Don't forget about Cybil Shepherd...
>
> ...km
> "I'm a man who respects a good coma." - J.Seinfeld
>


How could *anyone* forget Cybil Shepherd?  :)~

OB Letterman:  Remember on yesterday's (day before?? I never know what day it
is) show when he interviewed Tom Brokaw and Tom was talking about the
JFK/Nixon debate where TV played an important role because Nixon looked
nervous, and he had that twitch and the sweat on the upper lip...

To which Dave replies:  "But I always liked that about him!"

Tom: "You should see the NBC psychiatrist..."


--
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mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
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From: pablo@wam.umd.edu (Paul James Schnake)
Subject: Re: Dave Live Info Needed!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:14:14 GMT

In article <7FV7CBO@netmbx.netmbx.de> rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars) writes:
>Hi out there in Letterland!
>
>I'll be in New York next week and was thinking about checking Dave
>out live.  So.. what's the deal with tickets and where are the 
>NBC studios located?
>
>Any info is appreciated,
>
>Cheers,
>rick
>--------------
>rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de
>rick@netcs.com
>

Yeah right!  Good luck.  As I understand it, there is a huge waiting list for
those tickets (like 2 months) so odds are you might find yourself standing
outside listening through the door.

Paul     


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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Crispen Glover
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:55:44 GMT

rodney@magritte.ipl.rpi.edu (Rodney Peck II) writes:

>>He asked about what he was doing, and 
>>Crispin apologized and made some lame excuse about it being a character in a
>>movie he was doing. Crispin, indeed, did do a film in the last year or so 
>>where the character looked EXACTLY the way he did the night he tried to
>>decapitate Dave. They showed footage of the film and there he was, exactly 
>>as seen.

Crispin is in Rubin & Ed, now on video, playing the character he appeared 
as on Letterman years before. 


In his first appearance he demonstrated his kciking ability and they
cut to a commercial and Crispin was gone and Dave seemed a little
shaken. Crispin came back a year later and showed off his tar-pit
scupltures, which were pretty strange. 

>Suprise!  He's an actor who was on the show as a character to get some 
>publicity for himself.  That's why people go on Dave's show.

Yes, but his first appearnace as this character pre-dated the film by about
3 or 4 years. Crispin may be as demented as he appears to be. I'm still
not sure. For further research check out his cd, and the cover of 
These Boots Are Made For Walking. There's also a great heavy metal
song about masturbation on there. Check out his books. If the kid isn't 
seriously weird then he's doing a great job trying to convince us he
is. Check him out in:

River's Edge
Wild At Heart
One From the heart
Twister
Rubin & Ed

and another one that just came out on video this year. He's making a career
out of being weird. I think he was inspired by working with Dennis Hopper
in River's Edge.  

>All in all, Crispin Glover is a talented actor who likes to do some strange
>things.  I really just don't understand why everyone wants to pick on such
>an obvious target.

Pick on him? I love what he does... But I think he's asking for attention and
that the weirdness is prt acting and part reality. He did grow up in L.A., 
y'know...

 - malcolm@wrs.com
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From: dl@cs.uiuc.edu (Dave Landecker)
Subject: Re: Remember...?
Organization: DL Enterprises
Fake-Sender: Dave Landecker@cs.toronto.edu
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:32:30 GMT

mjs@behemoth.genetics.wisc.edu (Mike Schmelzer) writes:

Remember....?
>...[most of list deleted]
>...elevator races?

Yeah, elevator races.  That's the first time I had seen LNwDL.
Since then I've been hooked.  Just plain nuts!
From: v133kdq8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (DR. JAZZ)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Linda?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct11.113216.2888@ms.uky.edu>, thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes...
> 
>    Just a stupid comment on my part.. :)  Linda?  Why is he *so* 
>obsessed with this name?  Linda?  :)
> 
>alex

No clue, but could it have something to do with the Brady Bunch?  Didn't Greg
have it bad for some teacher named Linda, and then Alice went around saying
it all the time?  Then some chick from Seattle named Linda moved in the area and
they all thought it was her?  Could that be it?  Oh wow, I watch too much tv.
Later!
Amy


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