HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mspolin@cyber.hughes.american.edu (Mathew L. Spolin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media,alt.news-media,comp.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,alt.fax,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: New Voice,FAX, data and video system
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:21:25 GMT
Organization: Cybervision Productions
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72987475E019637@cyber.hughes.american.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:24:39 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <1e0t2kINNshe@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Arnd Merlevede,
admerlev@sundae.triumf.ca writes:
>Importantly, HydraWorks can also easily handle customized functions.
>That's because the system is configured using MediaScript, a
>powerfully flexible software script that gives you the capability
>to set up unique fax-on-demand and voice processing functions to
>meet the unique needs of your organization.

Is this MediaScript the same as the Network Technologies multimedia
product of the same
name?

---Matt Spolin
   Washington, D.C.
From: postel@ISI.EDU (Jon Postel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: List of registered MIME subtypes?
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:36:33 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet



Hi.  

There have been no assignments of additional MIME types or subtypes
beyond those specified in RFC 1341 as yet.

--jon.


   Date: 4 Nov 92 16:52:28 GMT
   From: sdd.hp.com!caen!news-server!disser@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (David Disser)
   Subject: List of registered MIME subtypes?
   Sender: mmm-people-request@ISI.EDU
   To: mmm-people@ISI.EDU
   
   
   Does anyone where I can get a complete list of MIME subtypes registered
   with IANA?  I sent a message to them, but no response yet.
   
   --
   ) Dave Disser                 UM-CAEN User Services    
   ) disser@engin.umich.edu      229 Chrysler Center    
   ) (313) 763-3067              Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2092
   
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MIME and xmh
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:33:10 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
Distribution: world
	<1992Nov8.194529.167@degsyd.syd.deg.csiro.au>
Reply-To: savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: ip_boss@degsyd.syd.deg.csiro.au's message of 8 Nov 92 09:45:29 GMT

>In article <1992Nov5.104412.2241@cc.ic.ac.uk>, mjh@cc.ic.ac.uk (Martyn at Rimmer) writes:
>> would play the audio or display a image. Certain body parts (eg
>> richtext or gifs?) could be actually show in xmh itself by usings
>> a different widget or something. A grander solution might be to
>> invent a multi-media widget.

I agree to this and actually trying to throw together a widget set
from various existing software. I am approaching the problem from
bottom up and not making a single "multi-media widget". Instead, I am
trying to build a widget for each content type. So far I have just
been able to get prototype of Raster Image widget and working on
multifont ISO2022 text widget now (I approach the problem from ODA
direction, so I have not yet tackled any tagged text contents, but as
ISO202 + ANSI control sequences for effects are implemented, it
wouldn't be a big job to convert rich text into such byte stream and
feed to widget). The raster widget currently takes GIF, JPEG/JFIF and
TIFF (using Sam Leflers tifflib v3.1 and jpegsrc.v3 libraries).

I am hoping to get my hands on some MPEG source code that runs on Unix
(actually Sun IPX) so that I could mold into video widget. Actually,
would be interested in hearing ideas how such could be built, as there
might be multiple instances of such widget running simultaneously.

No plans yet how to make widgets for Postscript and CGM. Maybe, if the
author of Ghostscript package turned a widget version out of it?

While back I posted a notice about this into comp.window.x under title
new data presentation widget set (Xew). It is still uncertion what the
status of this work is, because I am doing it on EuroBridge (RACE
2008) project.
--
Markku Savela (savela@tel.vtt.fi), Technical Research Centre of Finland
Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland
Newsgroups: comp.mail,comp.mail.elm
From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: Mail spool file specification
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 10:58:15 GMT

    Where can I find the RFC for the mail spool file format?  I'm writing
a simple mail reader in microemacs at home and I'd like to make sure my
assumptions about headers, format of outgoing messages, etc. are valid.
Thank you very much!
-- 
Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> 90taobri@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
Dept. of Exobiology   | :> taob@r-node.pci.on.ca : taob@terranet.cts.com <:
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: readmsg
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:19:55 GMT
Reply-To: mstacc@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: mstacc@ultb

I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing problems with
'readmsg' in the elm2.4Pl4?  We are running on Ultrix 4.2a or
4.3 systems.

The problem I am seeing, is that if the From field has a
username with a space in it, the readmsg program blows chunks.

This used to be a problem even in index and viewing of a
message from the main menu, but 2.4 seems to have fixed that.
Now, when I get a message from "tremblay ms"@a1.rit.edu, I can
look at it, save it to a folder, and all that, but when I go to
print it, readmsg comes back with:

Queuing...readmsg: Cannot find start of selected message.  [offset=0]

Are there any fixes for this?  Thanks in advance for any help.
-- 
-Mark Tremblay              
  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu
     Rochester Institute of Technology      Phone:       716.475.2986
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: HELP: Elm filter not working
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:57:43 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) wrote in
<18390001@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM>:

| I am trying to use filter to forward a message based on the subject.
| I want to forward it to myself as well as other people, but I must
| change the subject before forwarding in order to prevent filter 
| from looping on the message. 
| 
| Please help with my Elm filter problem:
| 
| # $HOME/.elm/filter-rules
| if (subject = "On This Day") then
|     execute "mailx -s 'Fwd: On This Day' kvitekl"
| 
| filter -r
| filter (kvitekl): Error reading line 8 of rules - field "_kvitekl"" unknown!
| filter (kvitekl): Couldn't get rules!
| 
| Filter can't handle the quote conflicts apparently.

You'll still get a loop because the subject search string is included in the
new subject.  filter doesn't go buy regexps and there is no way to anchor a
search string.  I don't know about the quote problem, though.

| I also tried:
| 
| # $HOME/.elm/filter-rules
| if (subject = "On This Day") then
|     execute otd.fwd
|     
| # otd.fwd
| | mailx -s 'Fwd: On This Day' kvitekl
| 
| This did not work either, filter does not seem to pass the message
| through as stdin (as documented).

It would have solved your quote troubles, but there should be no pipe symbol
there in the script.  It's a shell script, not a .forward file.

Moreover, filter daemons do not know the path variable set in your .profile
or .login when you are actually on the system yourself.  They have a bare
minimum default $PATH like /bin/:/usr/bin.  You may need to specify the
entire path to otd.fwd in the execute instruction, or the filter daemon will
never find it and will silently lose the letter.

Note that the one and only example of execute in the Filter Guide called
a common utility and left the question of the filter daemons' $PATH
unaddressed.

The current versions of filter (2.4 at all patchlevels) support a "forwardc"
instruction that keeps a copy of mail that you forward.  Use it and take your
own name off the mailing list, or change the new subject to something that
doesn't include the search string for that rule.  Alternatively, change the
rule to

if subject = "On This Day" and not subject = Fwd then
   execute /full/path/to/otd.fwd

And otd.fwd must have execute permission either for world or for you as
its owner.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: vhc@abacus.hgs.se (Mikael Larsson)
Subject: Mime?!
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:52:27 GMT

Where can I get mime?? heard a lot about it, but never found it.

							MiL / vhc@abacus.hgs.se

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syscrc@pickle.gsu.edu (Randy Carpenter)
Subject: Re: elm wish list
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:50:01 GMT

briank@ars2.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel) writes:

>In <1992Nov5.023642.5435@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>>apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon) writes:
>>>1) I am a member of the supportteam at our site. That means I
>>>   get mail that is addressed to support as well as my own. What
>>>   I would like to do is say to elm that when I answer a mail to
>>>   support, The From field should contains the support address 
>>>   and a Sender field should be added with my personal address.
>>>   An alternative would be to automatically add a Reply-To field
>>>   with the support address when answering support mail.
>>>   The second alternative is possible by hand, but I prefer the 
>>>   first solution and certainly an automated one.
>
>Excellent Idea!
>
>>Neither of your items is planned, nor would I ever expect Elm
>>to handle those.  Its too complicated and special cased.
>
>I think that this feature would be a valuable addition to elm.
>A *reply* to mail aliased into your mailbox could build the
>From: line from the received To: line  and build a Sender: line
>as the current From: line is being constructed.  This would
>only occur if the users LOGNAME is not part of the To: field.
>Also There could be another flag in the elmrc to allow this
>optional behavior.
>
>This seems Not All That Hard to do but I am not familiar with the
>internals of elm.  Anyone care to comment or even better, implement
>this and send the diffs to Syd for inclusion into a patch?
>
>Brian
>-- 
>D. Brian Kimmel           /    briank@ars2.UUCP   \   The Emerald City....
>Director of R & D        \  Voice  (206) 325-8922  / Seattle, Washington.
>Automated Retail Systems  \  Fax  (206) 325-9127  / Standard disclaimer(s).

Please don't flame me if I don't fully understand what you are suggesting,
but I would like the raise a question.

Wouldn't this suggested feature allow allow an e-mail security hole?  For
example, a bad guy could type in a fake letter complete with headers from
another person (i.e. a fake "To:" line).  Let's say he uses "To: root".
Then, store it in a folder, reply to it and Elm would put "From: root" in
the headers?

Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of your suggestion (I could even use
it myself), but how could the above situation be avoided?  I thought your
statement about the LOGNAME addressed the situation but I'm not sure.
I suppose Elm could check the system aliases file to see if the exists
an legitimate alias for the reply.  I can understand Syd's concern of
complicating Elm.

-- 
===========================================================================
Randy Carpenter                    rcarpent@gsu.edu          % Got a light?
Georgia State University           (404) 651-2648            No match.
Wells Computer Center                                        %
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:27:37 GMT
Subject: Re: HELP: Elm filter not working
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm

This works:

if (subject = "On This Day") then
   execute "mailx -s OnThisDay kvitekl,nextperson"


Doesn't loop either.  Thanks for the help everyone!

Lou
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Folder problems, 2.3PL11
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:31:21 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I'm having some strange problems with folders...
(Elm 2.3PL11 on an AT&T 3B2/310 running Unix SystemV rel 3.2.2)

I'm able to save things off to folders, but when I try to get back into
any of them, ELM tells me: "Can't open folder 'whatever' for reading!"
The folders do exist; elm is able to list them in my folder directory.

I'm *not* sure this isn't a permissions problem, but none of the ones
I've tried have worked. Yes, elm is setgid "mail":

-rwxr-sr-x   1 bin      mail      246394 Oct 25 02:34 elm


Also, can "receivedmail" and "sentmail" in elmrc be directories?
I'm already saving copies of mail I've sent with mailx in ~/Mail/Sent
and would like to continue to use that.

Thanks,
Andy
-- 
    ==--
  -====---    Andreas Meyer, N2FYE                     ahm@hoqas2.att.com
  --==----    AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ        ..!att!hoqas2!ahm
    ----
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: brianmck@bcrka368.bnr.ca (Brian McKinnon)
Subject: mh to elm converter - where?
Reply-To: brianmck@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:12:52 GMT

I remember seeing the location of an mh to elm folder converter posted,
I believe, in this group. Can anyone tell me where this nifty tool might be?

Thanks,

===========================================================================
Brian J. McKinnon                        Phone: (613) 763-7634 (ESN 393)
Bell-Northern Research,                  Fax:   (613) 763-7241
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada                  email: brianmck@bnr.ca

"The opinions expressed in the preceding program do not reflect
 the views of the producers, sponsers or employers."
From: vhc@abacus.hgs.se (Mikael Larsson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Filter problem
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:00:01 GMT
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden



Hello,

I have a little problem with filter. I am an IRC-operator and gets mail
from "operlist@eff.org".. But there is always 2 from lines in each letter
the upper fromline says operlist, but the second one says the original
sender (operlist is a mailing list for irc-operators).

If I try;

if (from = "operlist@eff.org" ) then 
	Save /home/abacus/hacks/Mail/operlist

it doesn't work, because in filterlog it says the letter came from
<name> on the SECOND from line. How can I solve this???  

Is it possible to get elm updated with from1 and from2 or that filter
checks both froms and looks if one of them fits with the filter-rules?!


						Rgds,

							Mikael Larsson
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.161012.8726@oakhill.sps.mot.com> dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe) writes:
>In <Bx9BHq.E1x@mach1.wlu.ca> derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes:
>
>>HELP! HELP!
>
>>I think there is a big problem with elm 2.4 (not necessarily just pl6).
>
>>Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
>>are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
>>mail from getting through and causes bounces.
>
>>Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!
>
>It'd be nice to know what system you're seeing this on.  We can
>reproduce this problem here on our AIX (3.2) systems when a user edits
>his/her mailbox.  At least vi and emacs indicate they have problems
>restoring permissions to the mailbox when rewriting it and the result
>is that the group ownership of the file reverts to the user's group
>instead of mail.  This occurs even though the setgid flag is set on the
>mail spool directory!  Just editing the mailbox works fine, but editing
>it from elm fails to restore the group ownership.  Go figure!  I knew
>AIX was totally broken but this is ridicules.  Our work-around is to
>disable mailbox editing during configuration.
>
>Instead of all the AIX gurus out there flaming me, how about trying to
>convert me by answering the following:  what should the permissions be
>for /usr/spool/mail?  "drwxrwsr-x bin mail" or something else?  Or,
>Oracle forbid, does ACEs enter into the fray?

Dave,
 I am on Sequent running PTX. I thought the problem was in leavembox but
 dont think thats it - a small problem in fileio where chown(..) must
ignore the results 'cuz chown must be run by superuser on this machine.

So....
  The question still remains -- How can my mailbox be switched to my
group and not restored to 'mail' group?

Anybody else have ideas..? Thanks elm group developers for your efforts
but this problem (allbeit hard to reproduce still exists).
-- 
Daryl Erwin                                     Net Address: derwin@mach2.WLU.CA
Computing Services                              Surface Mail: P4-1, Main Campus 
Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Ontario 
Bus:(519) 884-1970 x2910                                          ... Go Hawks!
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Lord Yak Da Hairy)
Subject: Filter: forwardc saving in other than system mbox?
To: comp.mail.elm
Posted-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16: 35:16 GMT
Organization: EAT MORE SPLEEN!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:35:16 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 10: 36:11 CST
Via: uk.ac.sussex.syma; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16: 35:52 +0000

Is it possible to persuade forwardc to save somewhere other than the system
mailbox?

The filter command looks like this:

if (from contains "ug") then
  forwardc tsunb!stephcl

and was this before forwardc was available:

if (from contains "ug") then
  forward tsunb!stephcl,tsunb!johny

In the first case, my copy goes to /usr/spool/mail/johny instead of =main,
which is where all mail is sent by default. In the second case, I get my
copy in =main, but the headers are changed, so it appears to be From me,
with a changed Subject.

Is there a way of specifying a mailbox for forwardc to save in, or (better
yet) are there plans to implement a "bounce" action, working like the
bounce command in elm does? [Sanity permitting, I may have a go at this
myself, if I get the time]

-- John Yeates (Lord Yak Da Hairy) --------------- johny@cogs.susx.ac.uk --
-- "Be a geezer - put grasshoppers in your freezer!" - The Mystery Chefs --
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Elm 2.4.tar.Z
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:33:20 GMT

Those who have picked up elm2.4.tar.Z prior to this
message, there is a interesting oversight in the tar file.

It has been pointed out to me that the message catalogs (the
C/C/C/*.m files were distributed as my symlinks to the master
files and not the contents of the files.

I have since changed the script to use the follow symlink flag
on the tar and rebuild the tar file.

Those that are building their own message catalogs and need the
.m files for a base, should re-get the tar file.  The rest of you
need not do anything.  The internal message catalog is still ok,
it was just the master files people use to make their translations
that were missing.  The shar files were ok, only the tar file
had the problem.

-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL08
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:46:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium

In article <1992Nov7.033752.12791@DSI.COM>, syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:
|> 
|> [Stuff deleted]
|>
|> So, my two cents: Someone who is experiencing the problem, you'll
|> have to investigate further as to what it is.

This little expermints to see whether you probably have NFS problems.

(You need an account that may do chgrp)

change centre to a groupname appropiate for your site.

$ touch gidtst
$ chgrp centre gidtst
$ ls -l gidtst
-rw-r-----   1 apardon  centre <--+    0 Nov 10 15:38 gidtst 
$ : > gidtst                      |
$ ls -l gidtst                    |
-rw-r-----   1 apardon  system <--+    0 Nov 10 15:38 gidtst
                                  |
                                  |
                            If these two fields differ like they do
                            here you are in trouble.

may have two change the parameters of the ls command to make it show
you the gid of the file though.

========================================================================
Antoon Pardon                                        <apardon@vub.ac.be>
Brussels Free University Computing Centre                   02/650.37.16
========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Piping to command doesn't work (2.4 PL6) on AIX3.2
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:46:28 GMT

walter@cithe501.cithep.caltech.edu (Chris Walter) writes:
>I recently returned to the US from Italy where I was running ELM 2.4
>PL3 on an IBM RS6000 AIX3.1.  Now I am using a cluster of IBM RS6000s
>with NFS mounted disks running AIX3.2.  I got and installed ELM 2.4 PL6
>with our system manager here and am noticing an error I didn't see
>before.

>If I try to pipe a message to a command using "|" I get the error(for
>example): 

>***************************
>Command: |
>Pipe to: more

>Usage: readmsg [-anhp] [-f Folder] {MessageNum ... | pattern | *}
>M-^?
I just tried it here, and it works just fine here.  Don't know
what you did wrong.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL06
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: olivier@lise.paris.sgi.com (Olivier David)
Subject: "MIME-Version: 1.0" in the headers
Reply-To: olivier@paris.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics France
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:54:02 GMT


Hi there,

I just upgraded to ELM 2.4 and have a little question :

Why is there a new header included in all my outgoing mail about the
Mime-version and how can i get rid of it ? (It is perturbating people that
receive my mails on different mailers that try to interpret this header)

Thanks for any help,



   Olivier
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: FILTER and .FORWARD
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:03:55 GMT

Could some be so kind to explain to me how to use filter and .forward
to filter messages with certain subjects and then have they forwarded
back to the original sender.

I would appreciate the actual command lines that I need to enter.
and a brief explanation on how this works.

Thanks alot
Matt
From: swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Steve Lodin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Newmbox-length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:26:24 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Originator: swlodin@kocrsw15


Hmm...  I just got that also.  Running on an HP 710 w/HP-UX8.07 with
elm2.4.8.

Steve
-- 
Steve Lodin	Internet: swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com  UUCP: deaes!swlodin

    Steinbach's Guideline for Systems Programming  
        Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm