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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:52:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec10.184614.29392@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>>>People arrogant and foolish enough to drive private cars
>>>into urban centers deserve whatever difficulties they run
>>>into.  BTW, I always found parking in Manhattan to be much
>>
>>People foolish enough to belive that urban centers designed for
>>automotive access are used only by jerks ought to stay out in Idaho
>>where they belong...
>
>OK.  I'll confess to *my* grumpy hyperbole if you allow
>that San Francisco, a sleepy fishing village until the
>1840s, partly destroyed and rebuilt in 1906, and minimally
>patched ever since -- as far as the street layout, parking
>capacity and traffic flow are concerned -- was not "designed
>for automotive access" of the 1990s variety.

Especially these days.  It seems the City is tearing up every bit of 
free space downtown, or putting up traffic cones or new no parking 
signs. 
I never have much trouble findign parking, though. SOme people can cook a 
perfect meal, some can always choose the correct wine. Me? Well, if it's
Christmas shopping at Corte Madeira and you want a spot close to the door,
take me. The Parking Goddess likes me.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Need A Date for a HS reunion (New Jersey)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:27:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.073841.23710@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald 
Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>*throws his hand up in the air!*
>
>I'll go!!!  Then they'll really talk!

Excellent idea!  Tom, take him up on it.  

Who knows, maybe something besides his hand will end up in the air. 


-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Genetic Homosexuality?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:03:36 GMT
Summary: mangled genetics

In article <1992Dec12.205646.2245@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

>The sickle-cell gene is not entirely harmful. It is a recessive
>gene which causes sickle-cell anemia; it is *also* a dominant
>gene which confers resistance to malaria. This means the gene is

I think you *intend* the correct statement, but your language is
badly mangled.  The sickle-cell trait *is* recessive.  When it is
homozygotic (i.e. both chromosomes carry it), it deforms the red
blood-cells (collapsing them into a sickle-like shape, hence the
name) and disrupts their functions as oxygen-transport.  When it
is heterozygotic, the other gene (the dominant allele) maintains
the blood cells in (nearly) normal shape -- and the chemical effects
of the recessive confer the resistance to the malaria parasite.

The heterozygote has a selective advantage in malarial areas that
is enough to maintain the sickle-cell trait despite the (fatal!)
disadvantage of the homozygote.  This advantage is lost in environments
where malaria is absent or well-controlled (which also illustrates
the complexity of the interaction of genetic "nature" and non-genetic
"nurture").

It is also worth noting that adaptationist propaganda to the contrary
notwithstanding, the situation could exist in perpetuity even if there
were no advantage if it appeared as a mutation often enough, and 
that if the environment were made neutral (by the finding of adequate
treatment, which is an area of research which will gladly accept your
contributions), that evolutionary drift would take over.  It is by
no means clear how much, proportionally, of our phenotypes is a result
of drift as opposed to selection -- both mechanisms exist and at the
molecular level it would even seem that drift is the more important
one.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@panix.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
(please note address)			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: King James Version
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:19:56 GMT

In article <BzFA7y.4xr@ecf.toronto.edu> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
>Or, as the Revised Standard Version has it:  
>
>	"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an
>	abomination".
>
>This sort of thing always appeals to people  who like using proof-texts.
>
>Placing my tongue FIRMLY in cheek:
>
>Well, I  think Leviticus 18:22 is the best proof-text I've ever come
>across for lesbian sex.  I mean,  read it!  All lesbians are being told
>here that they  should NOT have sex with males the same way they lie
>with women.  Works for me.

Nonsense. If that's what it meant, it would have said, "Tell your
wives that they must not lie with a male as with a woman."

I think Moses just got embarassed when he tried to talk to
women... 
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:34:25 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Friend's Opinions (was Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insu
 <1992Dec17.160107.10690@infonode.ingr.com> <92352.154730ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <157@bbx.basis.com>

In article <157@bbx.basis.com>, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) says:
>
>Boycotts are peripheral to the issue of gay rights.  One can believe in
>gay rights yet feel that a boycott is not the answer to the problem.
>However, a "friend" who does not want to recognize you as a complete
>human being with valid feelings and emotions is not a friend in my book.
>A friend has to *believe* in you.  Those who are merely tolerant can
>be nice, compassionate people but are more like associates than true
>friends.

I agree with this 100%.  All of the people I consider friends recognize
my relationship (and upcoming "marriage") with my boyfriend.  Even my
current and previous supervisors at work recognize my relationship.  (my
current supervisor even went as far as calling his travel agent on my
behalf to try and get me cheaper airfares to TX so I could visit my
boyfriend over the holidays - and yes, I will be there this monday!)

Just a couple cents....:)

-Tim
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.204251.19263@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

> Believe
> it or not, there is a substantial constituency which not only
> enjoys but *eagerly anticipates* the contributions of Arne
> Adolphson, the voice of wit and finesse in these dark days.

You, sir, are a shameless flatterer.

> Are differences *so* great or
> important among people who have shared this space for *so*
> long and have a common ground in their sexuality that NO ONE
> might put a good foot forward?

The differences are great and sometimes they're even 
important, and some of us just have prickly personalities, 
but there's room enough for everyone here.  I think I made 
my first step in the right direction a couple of days ago.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Bike militancy (was Re: Parking)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:28:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.103409.26173@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Stop feeling guilty about it. Your taxes pay for the roads, too. Your
>safety needs are greater. And most cars treat you like shit, so you
>have to demand your space. No need to be rude, but don't risk wiping
>out at 25 mph because you felt like you had to pull off onto the
>gravel shoulder to let some stupid petrol-burning hunk of iron get past you.

Hmmmmmmmmm (he smiled approvingly) sounds like someone who will not only
survive biking in Amsterdam, but will actually manage to get somewhere
in time as well.

								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Happy Holidays!
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:52:54 GMT


I'm off to So.Cal. for all of Xmas week, so I just
wanted to say happy holidays to all of you who have
managed to make this past year more fun, more challenging,
more infuriating, more silly, and generally more interesting
than it would otherwise have been.

Thanks one and all, and best wishes for the end of
this year and the beginning of the next.

Greg (who is too busy to write his usual long and rambling
year-end summary and generally optimistic and thankful
missive but is thinking those thoughts anyway.)


-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:43:18 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

Caroline Jean Lee (cjlee@netcom.com) wrote:
> My memory is fuzzy on this one, and I keep thinking of a story about a
> girl who has two daddies (written in Europe somewhere), but I am
> positive that I have read the book you are looking for.
 
One book that you may be thinking of is _<girl's name> Lives With
Eric And Martin_, and is from Denmark, translated into British.
Another one is _How Would You Feel If Your Dad Was Gay_, which I
like best of all, because it deals realistically with some of the
issues a child would face in school.  I think this one was first
published in Great Britain.  I find _Daddy's Roommate_ insipid by
comparison, groundbreaking though it might appear.

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:25:48 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.192659.28783@serval.net.wsu.edu>
gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M.  Gerkman) writes:

>Distribution: usa

Please set your Distribution line to world unless your site
policies forbid it (in the latter case your sysadmin needs
help); we have significant numbers of Canadian, Australian,
and European readers, plus others as well.

>In article <1992Dec15.183304.10537@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>>soc.motss.coping

>Just to throw in my 2 cents...I'm not to fond of the word
>'coping' either...how about soc.motss.outing?  or
>soc.motss.demuff?  (last one thrown in for dramatic effect,
>as I'm recently demuffined) ;-)

It seems to me "outing" is tied too strongly to the common
practice of forcing LGB people out of the closet.  To my
ear, "demuff" sounds like LB abstinence! :-)

No one has yet liked "coping," apparently, but no one has
said why, either.  Whatever term we choose, it can be the
best without being good, don't forget.

What I'm trying to gather together into its own department
is everything connected with overcoming the crises nearly
all all of us face as individuals in society, with learning
how to be ourselves, freed as much as possible from the
baggage thrust upon us by living in the phobic world.

[Quality hereabouts:]

>>>>By myself, I could do
>>>>nothing to change that, but if enough people were to make an
>>>>effort, it could be better for all or nearly all.

>How can I help?

Seems like you are helping.

>gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (NeXTmail ok)

Another NeXTian, tra-la!

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: When Lesbians Kiss
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:32:27 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dirt.cisco.com


	Heard on Rossane tonight:



		"Whenever lesbians kiss, another angel gets it's wings..."


	That show has gotten *cool*!


		-Karl



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  kmac@cisco.com -or- batman@cisco.com     415-688-8231   DoD# 1999  FJ1200
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   "You can put your shoes in the oven, but that don't make them biscuits."
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More on Tacky Houses
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:28:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) moralizes:
>> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>
>>All this tree-killing in winter gets me down.
>
> ... cutting 'em down
>is morally no different from picking broccoli...
>-- 
All this picked broccoli gets me down.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:41:24 GMT

In article <18164@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:

>I'd also like to add my support for dumping the *motss* tag.

>Of course I prefer soc.queer, and understand that there are folks
>who have problems with that label, but ther doesn't seem to be another
>word that sums it up so neatly.

>I agree with Jess that its time to make some changes, if that becomes 
>consensus, then lets make those changes serve us well.

I've been thinking about dumping motss at the same time,
too.  "Queer" doesn't do it for me, however.  All things
taken together (and I think the main point is that the
completely uninitiated should be helped to find us), I'm in
favor of soc.lesbigay.*.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bruceg@access.digex.com (Bruce Garrett)
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 12:07:43 GMT


  coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes in response to 
  spencer@ernie.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)...
 
 >> > I'll note that (1) It does say bundle of sticks (2) even though Arne is
 >> > probably right (I have no information of my own to affirm or deny what
 >> > he says), it wouldn't rule out either the definition below or Melinda's
 >> > definition.  Words can have more than one meaning, after all.

 RC> [quotation from dictionary follows]
 RC> Well, Spencer, you might try reading carefully.

        I think I know what the words "Origin Unknown" mean when they appear 
in a dictionary.  Granted the passage Mr. Sun gives us does not support the 
"Gay Man = Fuel For The Fire" origin but the fact of the word's obscurity 
seems to challenge the other user's cracksure contention that the case for 
it is absolute nonsense.  If we don't Know the origins of the word then how 
can we say we Know that one sense is Categorically Not derived from the 
other.  At best, based on this kind of evidence, it still remains a matter 
of conjecture and one I sure wouldn't be comfortable pronouncing absolute 
nonsense.
 
 
-Bruce Garrett

Xref: sparky soc.motss:53075 misc.legal:21522
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:54:18 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1gitr6INNl4h@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> Segregation's ostensible reason for separating children in education
> was that blacks had "certain characteristics" which would interfere
> with the education of white children.   Once black and white children
> began to be integrated, those characteristics were shown to be myth.

No, the characteristics were shown to be myth (after all, schools were
integrated in much of the U.S. throughout this century), and that
blacks were psychologically injured by segregated schools was used 
as evidence for why "separate but equal" was necessarily unequal.
The Supreme Court struck down "separate but equal" with great
hesitation, first by demonstrating that such schools were certainly
NOT equal.

Don't rewrite history.

> jon. 


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: pitfalls of foreign languages
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:42:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224958.12584@panix.com>, tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander) writes:
> 
> I suggest that it's more like the difference between "I am a Hollander"
> and "I am Hollander."

Hollander than who?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:04:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Dec16.183021.405@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) wrote:

> So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
> queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"

Jason Priestley.

*X*
(though The Muffin is a *very* close second...)
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Any gay audiologists out there?
Date: 11 Dec 92 01:32:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1g50ljINNbrq@early-bird.think.com> 
    ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu (Paco Ojeda) voices
    displeasure about the excessive volume of music in clubs:

>So I've decided to write a research article, for submission in the local
>gay papers. My intention is to go around bars in the Boston area with a
>sound measuring tool, and seeing how different bars measure up.
>
>Your opinion about this idea is also welcome. Many thanks!

I think it's a great idea.  You might want to gather some anecdotal
evidence from the DJ's and the patrons at these clubs.  It might be
interesting to document how *they* feel about the noise.  When I used
to go to clubs with acquaintances, many of them would complain about
the noise, but we all felt that we had to like it or lump it.

I've always wondered what would happen if more people began to
ask the DJ's to lower the volume.  Are clubs afraid they'll loose
business if people's ears aren't reverberating as much as the walls are?
-- 
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Daniel Gilly                                 Oracle Corporation
dgilly@us.oracle.com                         Redwood Shores, CA
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: An "enlightening" experience
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:40:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Dec11.135656.28193@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara
Chibnik) wrote:

> I said:
>     >>  >> * there * is * no * cabal *

> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>    >> >Well, can't we *make* one?  

> Me:
>   >>No.  How could we?  The pods would get us for sure.

> brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
>  >  * there * are * no * pods *

> Sure there are.  I saw some in my salad only last night.

*You* *ate* *the* *pods*???!!

Whatever will become of us now?

>   Mara Chibnik


TDO (desperately worried)
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homo Alone 2: Lost in New York
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:34:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <wood.723736787@jfred> wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com writes:
>
>>I don't want to be here today and apparently noone in the lunch
>>room today did either so we were bringing up our favorite titles
>>for x-rated movies like
>>'Yank my doodle, it's a dandy' or 'On Golden Blond'  but our 
>>best yet to be creation was 'Homo Alone 2: Lost in New York'.
>>Any other good suggestions for an afternoon of laughs.
>

A Lad In.




pauli.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:44:52 GMT


In article <1gdgenINNp1j@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
|> Note: please redirect all followups to: alt.politics.homosexuality
|> 
|> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> > So Heather, in first grade, deserves to be subjected
|> > to teasing and pain by other children because of the
|> > fact of her parents being of the same gender?  
|> 
|> Greg, did you read what I wrote?  I've been saying that what 
|> should be taught is that *all* people should be respected for
|> who they are, *period*.

Just don't mention the queers.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss