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In rec.autos, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

|uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:
|
|>Heres an interesting one.  A friend back at home has an '89 s15 Jimmy.  He
|>had to take it in to have the freon recharged because the A/C wasn't getting
|>cold enough.  He says that the dealer filled it with the "new ozone safe"
|>stuff.  His A/C quite frankly sucks now, doesn't get very cold at all.
|>My question is, can you really put the "new" freon in an older type a/c
|>system and still get the same cooling effect?
|
|There is only one drop-in Freon replacement that I'm aware of and
|that's the GHG-12 replacement that I've been working with George Goble
|ghg@ecn.purdue.edu, on.  It has not yet been blessed by GMC so the 
|dealer would likely not be using it.  Besides it increases the cooling
|capacity of the system 20-30%, depending on the particular system.
|
|There is a substitute  from Dupont called SUVA MP-52.  It requires a different
|kind of oil and is not a drop-in.  Installation requires a complete flush 
|of the system and the replacement of at least the dryer.  Cooling capacity
|is unknown.

Well, "Environment Friendly" Du Pont here is offering a S$500 (approx US$300)
rebate on the 1st 100 cars in for a SUVA retrofit.  Actual cost is 
S$2500-S$3000, or so they say.  When're you marketing GHG-12?

lawrence

|
|The R-134a replacement is a major undertaking.  Just about everything except
|the evaporator must be changed.  Industry estimates at conversion costs
|range from $800-$1200 for a passenger car.  Neither R-134a nor SUVA may
|be just plopped in an existing system.  Corrosive destruction and/or
|almost immediate oil failure will be the result.  
|
|Your friend needs to find out what was put in his system pronto.
|
|John
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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - invoice prices wanted
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:20:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1992Nov18.061747.29528@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>My girlfriend is planning to buy a car soon and is looking
>>at the Probe along with a couple of other cars (namely the Saturn
>>SC2, Dodge Shadow convertible, and Chrysler LeBaron convertible--any
>>comments?), but she would like to get a better idea of what to expect
>>to pay.
>
>Forget Dodge or Chrysler.  They are about as reliable as Hyundais.
>Forget the Probe.  It's a repackaged Mazda; the Mazda has a better
>warranty.

"It's a repackaged Mazda" ???  You must be joking.  The only commonality 
between the MX-6 and the Probe are the motors/trannys, and the fact that
they come out of the same plant.  The suspensions, bodies, interiors,
etc. are all different.  You'll pay ~3K more for a MX-6 LS than a similarly
equipped Probe GT; you can buy lots of warranty for a small chunk of that.

Witness: the goofy (and ugly, IMHO) MX-6 interior, the cheap 2.5 MPH bumper
system, ding-magnets doors, etc.

>Buy the original Mazda, or get a Saturn SC2.

My two finalists were the Probe GT and the Saturn SC/SC2.


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From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: INSURANCE CLAIM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:47:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <By126w.41A.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena) writes:
|> 
|> My brand new Honda Civic has just been hit by a truck. Completely
|> his fault. It's the first time I have an accident and really don't know
|> how and with whom to deal to have my car repaired.
|> Should I contact his or my insurance company? I don't want my very
|> low insurance premium to go up or pay any deductible. The damage
|> is not so bad anyway (need a new front bumper) and the cost might not
|> go above my deductible.
|> 
|> I have not filed a police report (both of us were in a hurry) and have
|> no witnesses; however, the driver of the truck admitted his fault.
|> How likely is that I get paid if I just contact his insurance company?
|> 
|> I'd appreciate any suggestion,

I just had a somewhat similar experience, only I did call
the police and contacted my insurance agent.  
I was driving in a residential neighborhood at  about
25 mph when suddenly a girl decided to do a U turn without
looking to make sure no one was coming.  Anyway, I called
the police they came ticketed her for doing an unsafe U-turn
and I was told that the girl's insurance should take care of
my deductible.  I later contacted my insurance agent who told
my insurance rate will not be affected since it was the other
party's fault.
The damage to my bumper was around $200 while my deductible
was $250, so my insurance company informed me that they
have no "monetary interest" in the matter, thus I should
settle things with the other party's insurance.  After
several phone calls to her company an adjustor representing
the other party's insurance company came by yesterday and
looked at the car, today I received his estimate which came
out similar to the estimate I had gotten from my own company.
The adjustor tells me that he has sent the estimate to the
insurance company he represents, then they will send me 
a check to the amount of his estimate.  According to the 
adjustor I should then take it and fix (after receiving the
check) and if there is any discrepancy between the amount
he estimated and the amount it actually comes out to be,
then they will take care of it.  But he assured me that 
all reputable repair shops will accept his estimate and 
go by it.

My question now is: did I make a mistake by believing
my company's claim that since there was no fault on my
behalf and since they did not incur any expense, then
my rates will not be affected ?

I can't believe that the better option when I am not at
fault would be to tiptoe around my insurance agency
that collects the premiums and does not help me collect
on damages from other companies since they have "no 
monetary interest". Then to top it off I have to eat
the deductible to avoid getting my rate hiked up  !!!!!
Either I lose or I lose, even when I'm not at fault.

Basil



 
|> Nestor Michelena
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:23:14 GMT

In article <Nov16.195822.21482@engr.washington.edu> eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>In article <1e8rvnINN3c5@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>The real question is why buy a G20 when you could have a Maxima SE for about
>>the same price?
>>And if you're sold on the G20 engine - get a Stanza SE-R for about 6 grand
>>less. What's a couple of doors in a car that small?
>>Why anyone would buy a G20 PERIOD is beyond me.
>the chassis.  unless of course you only drive 55 mph on an arrow straight
>freeway and take curves 10 mph below the recommended speeds.  not to
>bash the other nissans, but the g20's chassis is exceptional, even
>compared to european competitors.  drive an integra then go try a g20
>for maximum effect.

i think the question was why buy the infiniti G20 when you can get
a sentra SE-R with the same engine for 6 grand less.  a pretty fair
question, i think.  i think the G20 would be terrific if it cost $15k.
it is very smooth and has excellent handling.  but... it still feels
like a small car, and i think $19k is a bit much for that.
when the sentra SE-R (admittedly noisier and less refined) can
be had for considerably less, the G20 starts looking worse.  if i 
had the cash for a G20, i'd probably be looking at a taurus SHO or 
maxima SE instead.  or a camry SE, but i hear dealers are gouging on those.

i've said this before, but i don't think the integra's handling is
as absymal as you say it is.  i've been playing around with tire
pressures lately and increasing the pressure helps considerably in
reducing understeer.  right now i'm running 34 psi front and 32 psi rear.
understeer is drastically reduced but i think the ultimate grip has suffered
so i'm going to reduce the pressures a little.  the shocks do
suck - damping is not good.  what kind of shocks does the G20 have, anyway?

-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena)
Subject: INSURANCE CLAIM
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:32:48 GMT


My brand new Honda Civic has just been hit by a truck. Completely
his fault. It's the first time I have an accident and really don't know
how and with whom to deal to have my car repaired.
Should I contact his or my insurance company? I don't want my very
low insurance premium to go up or pay any deductible. The damage
is not so bad anyway (need a new front bumper) and the cost might not
go above my deductible.

I have not filed a police report (both of us were in a hurry) and have
no witnesses; however, the driver of the truck admitted his fault.
How likely is that I get paid if I just contact his insurance company?

I'd appreciate any suggestion,

Nestor Michelena
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: EGI Controller in 93 RX-7
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:41:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier) says:

>My Mazda service rep. just ordered an Engine Gas Injection (EGI)
>controller for my 93 RX-7. This part will hopefully correct the
>brain-dead way that the car runs at times. I was told that part
>has been recalled and should be replaced on most of the older 
                                                         ~~~~~
HUH???.."older"..93..older??..did i miss something?
DREW
>RX-7s. Unfortunately, the part is back-ordered and I don't know
>when it will come in.
>
>For those not aware of this problem, the symptoms (at least in
>my car) are widely varying throttle response, occasional stalling
>when cold or at idle (especially after turning on/off the AC),
>and a synchronized "miss" which I only notice when the AC is on level
>3 or 4. Since it is cooler now, the only problem which really bugs
>me is the changing throttle response. Sometimes my car "goes like
>hell" with only slight pressure on the throttle. Other times, the
>response is really slow and there is markedly less power low in
>the rev range. However, when the car is running "good", mileage
>goes way down, but goes up when the car is running "bad". This
>behavior seems consistent with fuel injection which is logically
>or mechanically damaged.
>
>Anyway, if any one else has experienced this problem, let me know.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Mark D. Collier                      Southwest Research Institute
>Senior Research Analyst              Automation and Data Systems Division
>Voice: (512) 522-3437                Data Systems Department
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From: don@vestek.com (Don Labutay)
Subject: Re: Nissan Mailing List
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:28:11 GMT

I don't know any Nissan Mailing list but there are two Datsuns mailing list:

1) mail:         z-car@dixie.com   
   to subscribe: z-car-request@dixie.com 
--> This is for all Datsuns 240/260/280/z's

2) mail:         datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
   to subscribe: datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net
--> This is for all Datsuns roadsters (1600, 2000) fairlady.
From: cs65xfh@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (John Tozer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 4x4 and Limited Slip Differential
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:07:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	I'm looking for advice:
I'm about to purchase a new Ranger or Nissan 4x4 pickup.  The limited
slip differential is an additional few hundred dollars.  Does this
mean that if I do not get this option that I will really have only
two driving wheels - one in front and one in rear (can they really
call that four wheel drive)
  If this is necessary, why isn't there an option for a LSD for the
front axle.  Otherwise, this would be only three wheel drive!
  I am obviously quite confused, and would appreciate some expert
advice.
      Thanks



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pacyga@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Pacyga)
Subject: Help! Ford service disaster!!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:42:22 GMT

Hi everyone, 

I have a 90 SHO that I purchased new.  It had bad transmission bearings that
were replaced under warranty 3000 miles ago.  Now, the whole transmissiion is
being reworked by FORD and they are not giving me any information on what
is being done to the car (still under warranty)

Now here is the stickler, they have had the car parked outside in the open
(not the fenced in service parking lot) with the hood up and the engine on
a set of wood hoists for any wanna be vandal to come and play with.  To my
best guess the car has probably been this way since last Wednesday (now Mon.).

I have taken pictures which are currently being developed.  I now have 
no faith whatsoever in the longevity of the car or for that matter the
confidence in it to rely on it for a long trip since every possible vital 
part has been open to the weather and anybody else interested in it.

Is there anything I can do about this other than make threats? 

Is there anything I should demand that FORD do before I take the car back from
service?

Help is appreciated greatly...

Thanks,


Jim Pacyga
Motorola Cellular
708 632 6633
pacyga@rtsg.mot.com 


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:31:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Bill Barham (barham@medtronic.COM) wrote:
: I am planning to buy a used full-size pickup.  I am thinking about going with
: a diesel engine.  I would like to here about good and bad experiences with
: full-size pickups, gas and diesel.

Pickups:

If you want a "working vehicle" get Ford or Dodge.  They don't die like
the GM crap does (go ahead, flame me if you wish but I won't change my
mind).  If you want yuppie styling, then you may like the GM look.  Around
my area, the Boss' rig is often a Chevy or GMC for the "image" but the 
company work vehicles are almost always Ford.  

If you are going to be hauling 4 X 8 sheets of plywood/sheetrock, steer
away from the GM rigs.  The bed won't quite be sized for your needs.


Diesels:

Go with the Cummins (I understand Ford will be going with that motor, too)
if you can afford it.  The International engine in the Ford trucks is okay
but lacks the all-out-power of the Cummins.  I know several people that 
have been ripped badly with the GM 6.2 (Fuel pumps/injection most of the 
problem here, plus the standard THM 700/R-4 nightmares).

Wes Fujii

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From: rkd@usday32.Dayton.NCR.COM (Ron Dabrowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Summary: Cheaper alternatives than cement blocks
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:03:25 GMT
Reply-To: rkd@usday32.UUCP (Ron Dabrowski)
Organization: Dayton Unix Tower Support Center

In article <1992Nov19.020843.4524@attila.weitek.COM> ehsan@attila.UUCP () writes:
>
>hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
>thanks.

Two cheaper suggestions:
1) Place old tires in front of the wall so your car nudges the tires, and you
know when to stop.

2) Suspend a fishing bobber on a string from the ceiling at the point you wish
your car to stop. Line it up with your hood ornament, or hood edge, so that when
your car touches the bobber, you know you've pulled in far enough.

More expensive suggestion:
Call your local formed-concrete company.

Good Luck,
Ron

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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:25:20 GMT

tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.065603.19747@r-node.gts.org>, ndallen@r-node.gts.org 
>(Nigel Allen) writes:
>>    This is entirely consistent with NHTSA's shirking of its safety
>> duties under the Reagan-Bush Administration's anti-regulation
>> policies in the past NHTSA has declared as safe the following, to
>> name just a few examples;
>>    Cars without air bags, cars without rear shoulder belts, roll-
>> over prone utility vehicles, rupture-prone fuel tanks, child
>> restraints without side impact protection, door-mounted seat belts
>> that open in crashes, non-adjustable shoulder belt anchorages,
>> lacerating windshields, collapsing seat backs, slack-inducing belts
>> and antilock brakes.


>What is wrong with anti-lock brakes?

There were some serious problems with antilock brakes for trucks when
they were first introduced. Presumably those problems have been
eliminated by now.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
GE knew there was lots of money to be made in the diagnostic medical
machine field since it was only a matter of time before people started
getting sick from the effects of all of GE's toxic and radioactive
waste dumping. I expect GE to get into the Mortuary business next.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Crown Vic Police Package
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:52:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) says:

>I just saw this in an "all Ford" magazine and found it pretty amazing.
>It showed a picture of a CHP Crown Vic, fully decked out in CHP trim, with
>a Paxton Supercharger installed on it.  The car is the Old style Crown Vic,
>not the new one, so it had a 351W engine in it.  The amazing thing is, the
>article said that before the supercharger was installed, the Crown Vic
>took 16.6 (!) seconds to hit 60mph.  What a joke!  Even after the blower

did you consider a misprint? i mean..think on it...16.6 sounds like a 1/4
mile time..and the blower alone knocked off almost 7 seconds???..naw..
i don 't think so...methinks this might be a misprint...could be wrong,
but this would have been my immediate reaxion(and, in fact, was to my
reading YOUR post..but you demolish the context of the printed article..s
i cannot say my reaxions would have been the same, for sure..)
DREW
>was installed, the car still took like 9.9 seconds to go 0-60.  In my mind,
>that's pretty pathetic.  How can Ford sell such a product designed for
>law enforcement with such horrible performance?  
>
>Oh well, sorry to all you Ford fans, I guess I just had to go off on that one,
>considering the type of car I drive (and its FAR superior performance :)
>
>BTW, the article said that 250 Crown Vics would get superchargers installed
>on them.  Not that I'm worried, I'm not stupid enough to try and run from the
>cops.  (Even though a Paxton-equipped Crown Vic could at best only keep up
>with me:)
>
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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: GM Problems (was Re: saturn/OLDs speculation)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:38:49 GMT

> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>>> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>>
>>>from chevy.  (well the camero is being phased out anyway
>>                        ^^^^^^
>>
>>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled
> ^^^^^^ 		       ^^^
>>
>>CAMARO   
>>
>>with an A!
>
>It's SO amusing when someone posts a message complaining about someone
>else's spelling errors with a message which contains twice the number of
>spelling errors as the original post. ;-)


No, very simply, it`s anger over something that has already been discussed
on this group. I know that someone posted on the correct spelling of the
word, but alas, some people missed that one.

Damn it, it`s CAMARO!!! C-A-M-A-R-O!!

Get it straight!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your attention.

Mike
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