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From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Davidic Lineage
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:49:14 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan27.155951.10320@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

>I once heard that Catherine the Great ordered Jews to take
>Polish sounding names as a barb to Jews and Poles alike.
>You can't tell what country an Ashkenazi Jew originates
>solely from the name.  Lots of Posners come from Russia
>despite Posen being a Prussian (now Polish Poznan) city.

Your confusion is from the fact, that in the Catherine's
time there were almost no "Russian" Jews - they were Polish,
Russia just occupied, what was Polish territory and
instituted the Pole to prevent Jews from moving to Russia
proper.

It explains, why Catherine ordered Jews to take Polish names:
they were in Poland...

Simon Streltsov,
Boston University

"If you go on the road and come to a fork -
Take it!"
From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Negaitve Jewish portrayals in Film (was: Re: GO SEE "A STRANGER AMONG US"!!!)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:04:28 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu

In article <4979@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.232603.13934@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:
|> >  
|> >Overall, however, it was great to see Jews portrayed sympathetically in a
|> >mainstream movie.
|> 
|> I would think it would be fair to say _Orthodox_ Jews instead.  There
|> aren't too many films that portray Jews negatively in mainstream movies,
|> unless you care to give examples.

First you have to define "mainstream."  I would contend that Mel Brooks
"History of the World" was pretty disgusting.  I do not find any humor
in Jews hanging on the racks of the Inquisition singing a "show tune" 
with big noses, filthy bodies/clothes wearing a tallis and a religious
outfit as any form of humor.

I am sure that there are other examples.  Anyone care to post more....

|> Anisa

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Who did Cain marry?
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:57:14 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1993Jan20.191615.28196@cbnews.cb.att.com>
ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

>In article <4656@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
>Ehrlich) writes:

>>And why not asking about Amram the father of Moshe who married his ant
>>Yoheved ? and why not asking about the Midrash about Shimon who
>>married his sister Dina?
>>
>>You should not ask those questions because all that happened befor the
>>Tora was given!
>>on those days just a married-to-another woman was forbidden.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

(Arthur S. Kamlet);
>I'm not sure how I put this together with the 7 laws for Bnai Noach.
>As I understand them, by the time of Noach, G-d had commanded all
                                      ^^^^^
>descendants of Noach not to commit incest.  Wasn't this commandment
>in effect for Avraham and all of his descendants?
>              ^^^^^^^^^

1. The laws were in effect for all ADAM decendance.
   ( Meat was alloud to Noach decendants only if the animal is killed
   before eating)

2. As to  "incest" Sorry I do not know the exact definition of that
   English term. Meaning of English terms are relevant just as far as
you have an interest in the ideas of the translators.
Whoever in order to get an answer to your problem just read again the
last line of my paragraph you cited.  ( I ubderlined it).
   Shalom   Gideon
From: sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cleaning up SCJ
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: sg04@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Inc.

In article 728073189@ro, dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
]In <9301261448.AA02314@cyclone.sbi.com> gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don
]Gertler) writes:
]
]>I couldn't agree with you more.  Anyone who knows me would
]>tell you that I never exercise moderation.  Never.
]
]I sometimes exercise moderation, but only in moderation.
]
](Is it Adar already?  Aren't we a bit early?)

I'm lost. Where is moderation? Is it somewhere near Freedonia?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Slavery
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:46:07 GMT

In <106503@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>I will just say that there
>are numerous people who yearn for the return of Biblical eved-ness.
>Mamzers and sofeks (and probably other problematic conditions) can
>be easily resolved be coming eveds.

The solution to mamzerut requires not only an eved ivri but also a
shifcha c'naanit.  While the former state is so different from slavery
as once practiced in the US as to make it unreasonable to call it
slavery of any sort, the latter is true slavery.  One also has to ask,
where are the shifachot to come from?
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: The term "anti-Semitism" (was: Re: Martin Luther King Quotes)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:05:24 GMT

In article <6768@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes:
>However, since you bring it up, 'antidote' is very much derived the
>same way anti-Semit(e)(ism) is:
>	antidote := to give combat or defense against | defense against
>Now, go figure out how anti- + Semite was put together.

According to your reasoning, a suit of plate mail is an antidote.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25909 soc.culture.german:10193
From: mswihart@bisque.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart)
Subject: Re: ANTISEMITE - Is there a better word?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:00:07 GMT

In a recent posting, it was written:

>>Do people think that the word "antisemite" properly conveys its
>intended use to >mean a person against Jews and Judaism? Technically,
>semites are members of a >group which share the semitic languages and
>include Jews, Arabs, Assyrians etc, >all of whom are descendants of
>Shem. How about Judeophobe?

IMHO, Judeophobe is a very poor choice as it seems to imply that
the person in question suffers from Judeophobia. I do not wish to
see anti-Jewish thoughts/beliefs/actions classified as the
result of a phobia as though they were the result of a psycological
condition such as clausterphobia, agoraphobia, etc. First of all,
this seems to presume that ALL anti-Jewish sentiments are the
result of fear. I am sure that some people hate Jews due to fear of them,
but I STRONGLY suspect that many hate Jews for other reasons. (e.g.
because they need a scapegoat for their own problems, they need someone to
look down at in order to feel superior, they wish to feel a sense
of belonging so they stupidly go along with a group's anti-Jewish
ideas, they were ill treated by an individual who happened to be
Jewish, etc. etc. ad nauseum ) These motivations for anti-Jewish
feelings and the anti-Jewish feelings/actions/beliefs themselves should
be classified, IMHO, as morally and ethically wrong and not simply
as some mental illness.

(Personally, in situations where the distinction between
being antisemitic and anti-Jewish is important and I may be 
misunderstood if I use "antisemitic", I just use the word "anti-Jewish".)

M.Swihart
From: dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:56:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1jpn1vINNl65
Organization: /etc/organization
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In article <1993Jan22.152117.18746@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
#3) Paganism (including idol worship and child sacrifice) is on an
                                        [---------------]

Do you have *any* evidence to support this claim? I'm sure the FBI would
be surprised to hear it, as they have found no evidence of any such
incidents. 

--Dave


-- 
Dave Weinstein
Internet: dweinste@gnu.ai.mit.edu
"Wives have no sympathy for Rugby injuries." -- Dan Smith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:32:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.011848.17965@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.220346.18877@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs922177@ariel.yorku.ca (DANIEL T FARKAS) writes:
>>Theoretically, it's
>>better to let it die out, than to practice *another* religion under the
>>Jewish name.  However, that's all theoretical.  Judaism has lasted the
>>longest of all religions.  Throughout all the persecutions and exiles,
>>Judaism has persisted.  This is not just luck.  It is because there is a
>>deeper meaning to Judaism, and many people recognize it.
>
>Why _can't_ it be just luck?
>
>After all, there had to be _some_ religion which survived.  They can't _all_

Why should there be.  During the course of the millenia there
have been numerous conquests, wars, inquisitions, and crusades.
Just luck would not have allowed Judaism to survive all that it
has gone through in the middle of everyone trying to wipe it
out.  In all other cases it was a matter of the latest conqueror
imposing his religion on the conquered.

>go away.  If we were all Baal-worshippers today, we would be saying "isn't it

Hypothetical cases cannot really be used as analogies in a
situation like this.  You could just as easily say that if the
moon were made of green cheese, Senator Proxmire would have
fought the space program in order to preserve the Wisconsin
cheese industry.

>such a wonderful thing that worship of Baal has survived for thousands of
>years"?  In fact, no matter which religion has survived, and no matter what
>reason it has survived for, we would be sitting here saying the same thing.
>
>If there were no deeper meaning to Judaism, and no deeper meaning to any
>religion, we would _still_ say "oh, look how well <pick religion> has
>survived", simply because there has to be some religion that does so.  So
>survival can't possibly tell us anything about it.
>
>It's just luck.
>
>(Besides, if it wasn't luck, the same argument would imply that Christianity
>and Islam have deeper meanings than Judaism.)

Actually, no.  The argument was that Judaism has survived in
spite of all the efforts xianity and islam have put into wiping
it out.  The other argument (triumphalism) is discredited for
each by the fact that neither could destroy the other (though
they tried).

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: friedenb@walnut.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Companies in the Arab Boycott
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:40:15 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@walnut.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.8.14.30


Can someone post a list of companies who engage in the Arab boycott
of Israel?  

I would like to stop purchasing their products and following up with
letters to this fact.  But, I don't know which companies are participating
in it.

AtDhVaAnNkCsE   =>  (thanks *in* ADVANCE)

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Bitachon (Trust)
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:16:25 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1k71mfINN24u@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu>, khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:
> Sorry, just testing!
> 
> Dima.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
>   "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
>   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
>   "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
>   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )

Dim, takaya dlinnaya podpis' bestsenna.
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: MASTURBATION/HANDSHAKING Halachah-Forbidden?
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:25:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <9301241815.AA02364@nysernet.ORG> <@SEARN.SUNET.SE: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET> writes:
>Are the following things forbidden by Halachah (Jewish Law)?
>(1) Fe/male MASTURBATION

As far as I know, it's not allowed, but only punishable by God, for
obvious reasons.  One who masturbates in front of witnesses is guilty
of violating a few other halachot.

>(2) HANDSHAKES
>    (a) Jewish Female:Jewish Male

This is the laws of Negi'ah.  There are varying opinions on what (if
any) male-female physical contact is permitted outside of a marriage.
I think most allow handshakes, though, since it is not considered
untoward behavior, and is assumed business ettiquette.

>    (b) Jewish:Nonjewish
>        (aa) Jew/ess:Goy/ah Idolater/ress
>        (bb) Jew/ess:Goy/ah Nonidolater/ress

Modern society forces this to be permitted or to be isolated and
outcast, but I think most Jewish-NonJewish contact was forbidden at
one point in time or another.  Very few prohibit it today, though.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: agw@dsm.fordham.edu (Art Werschulz)
Subject: Re: Kosherizing Recipes
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
	<1993Jan27.180802.11894@speedy.aero.org>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:52:15 GMT

Hi.

There's a cookbook out there called "Not Chopped Liver", with
kosherized versions of lotsa stuff.  [This is where the Chicken Cordon
Bleu comes from.]  How good is this cookbook (you ask)?  The covers
and binding have fallen off our copy from constant use, and we hold it
together with a rubber band.  For further details, CYLHBS (consult
your local Hebrew book store).

BTW, I have found that Baco's [kosher soy fake bacon] don't cook up
all that well, giving a really unpleasant aftertaste.
--
  Art Werschulz		(8-{)}
  Internet:  agw@dsm.fordham.edu  ATTnet: (212) 636-6325

#include "something-funny"
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Telnetting into ALEPH
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:02:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <o1mqXB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
> I've forgotten how to telnet intothe ALEPH system in Israel to do a
> library search at some of the universities.
>
> Would one of you be kind enough to remind me?

telnet aleph.huji.ac.il   login as  aleph
type LB  to switch libraries

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Bitachon (Trust)
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:39:39 GMT
Reply-To: sg04@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Inc.

In article 247@cirrus.com, chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
]For example, I've often heard people comfort themselves that a superpower
]government would never actually go to the extreme of nuclear war, because
]of the Machiavelian principle that the first order of business is to 
]protect the prince's ruling status; the fact that there would be nothing 
]left for the leadership to govern violates this principle.
]
]But the manner in which Germany prosecuted WWII, fighting to the death while
]the infrastructure was bombed out of existance, and the depth of horror
]in the Holocaust, are a glaring historic statement that modern European
]governments are capable of pathological self-destruction


I don't think we have any disagreement here. I don't think anyone
has any illusions about how low a nation can sink. But just to make it clear:

Having Bitachon in G-d is in no way contradictory to taking positive
action where it is merited. The precident is quite clear. When Yaakov
Avinu was going to meet Esau, he first sent gifts of appeasment and
prepared himself for war. After that he prayed to G-d. The two activities
go hand-in-hand Bitachon and doing what is in our power to accomplish
with our own actions.

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From: dyurman@igc.apc.org (Dan Yurman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Travel in Israel for 13 Yr Old?
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:42:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473600030:000:898
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dyurman    Jan 22 15:42:00 1993


This is a query for travel in Israel for a 13 year old boy.  The
objective is to travel from the US to Israel with a group of
young people in his age range to see historical and cultural
places, learn about Israel and life in that country for a period
of up to two weeks this coming summer.  Travel needs to commence
after June 10th.  In terms of religious practice we follow the
reform branch.

Information is requested on organizations in the US or Israel
which sponsor this type of travel.   Due to our geographic
isolation, this kind of information is not readily available in
our community.  Please reply directly via email.  Thanks in
advance for your kindness.

--------------------------------------------------------
Dan Yurman dyurman@igc.apc.org  dyurman%igc.org@stanford
PO Box 1569 Idaho Falls ID 83403 USA 112W01 43N28 -7 GMT
Chance favors only the prepared mind   --  Louis Pasteur
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Niddah and Pregnancy
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:20:49 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
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In article <1jphv5INNops@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> etzhadat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hydro Man) writes:
>There have been a number of articles of late on scj which claim to show that
>Orthodox Judaism is "sexist" in the light of Western Culture. Some of these
>arguments, e.g. agunah, are legitimate and creative solutions are required
>in addition to the ones already being implemented.
>
>However, I would like to give the following refutation to the argument that
>the current laws of niddah are meant (primarily) to keep women pregnant.
>
>While I'd certainly admit that Jewish law "strongly encourages" couples
>to have children, I'd like to point out:
>
>1. If the claim is that the intent of Jewish law is to keep women pregnant
>why is it that the obligation to have children is only on men and not on women?
...
>*Jewish law prohibits men from using contraceptives until they have fulfilled
>their obligation (one boy and one girl) to have children.

I certainly don't agree with the contention that taharat ha'mishpacha
is intended to keep women pregnant.  I would point to the Modern Orthodox
attitude toward birth control (OK, though certain devices are preferable to
others for various reasons), abortion (though this is fuzzier), and
prioritizing the life of the mother over the life of the fetus.

Though the 'letter of the law' is as Paul states, however, I do fail to
see how a man can fulfill his obligation to have children without seeing
to it that some woman is kept (for nine months anyhow) pregnant.  So as far
as I can tell, given the no-polygamy injunction/no adultery commandment, it 
is somewhat irrelevant onto whose shoulders the obligation to have children
falls.

A Good Shabbos--

			. . .Alexandra
>
>Shabbat Shalom
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From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Slavery
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:40:52 GMT

In: <105964@netnews.upenn.edu>
weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) responds to my article:

>In article <199301201351.AA09370@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN (Michael
>Shimshoni) writes:
>>True, "eved" (slave) is also used  for servant, Moses was called God's
>>eved.  On the  other hand in the articles Herman  refers to, "slavery"
>>is pretty  close to what is  understood by that word  in English, with
>>perhaps some softening of *some* of its harshest aspects.
>
>I can only assume that Michael is unfamiliar with slavery in American
>history.  Slaves were the literal property of their masters, and could
>be and were frequently treated like animals.  Or worse.
>
>This is what is usually understood by that word in English.  It is
>nothing like the Biblical "eved".

Matthew  does not  have to  agree  with me,  he may  even consider  my
unfamiliar with  slavery in America  (although I  think I have  a fair
knowledge about it),  what I consider unfair is to  quote only part of
my article,  leaving out that  part in which  I had given  an example,
showing  that in  some  sense I  think that  Biblical  slavery is  not
completely unlike  the modern  American version,  although I  had said
that "*some* of its harshest aspects" had been softened.

The relevant paragraph read:

*In the following I mean essentially  the not Jewish slave.  That slave
*is  far from  just a  servant.   As an  example  if we  look at  Shmot
*(Exodus)21, 20-21.  It discusses what  happens to a master who strikes
*and kills his slave  or maid.  In verse 20 is  the lenient ruling that
*the slave  should be avenged  on the  master.  Verse 21  continues and
*states that if for a couple of days nothing happens, no revenge is any
*longer allowed as "he is (was?) his money".

In  a discussion  one should  use  not only  the truth  but the  whole
(relevant) truth.   BTW does  Matthew "yearn" for  a return  to *that*
kind of slavery im Messianic times?

>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

  Michael Shimshoni