From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: TOO YOUNG TO CHOOSE
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:16:47 GMT
     <1992Nov6.200628.11428@ncsu.edu>
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
>andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard) writes:
>|>jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:

>|>>True. Education is a primary step to solving the problem because most
>|>>abortions are performed because they are unwanted pregnancies.If we
>|>>educate people on where babies come from we could cut down on the number 
>|>>hopefully

>|>Here we are 100% agreed.

>Great what are we going to do now this is t.a we are not supposed to agree.
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That's quite a smiley, Jeff.

More seriously, I have to question you interpretation of talk.abortion,
no matter how facetious.  I know there are people who come here only to
argue or to proselytize, but there are also those of us who actually are
interested in reasoned debate.  So far you seem like one of the latter,
and I commend that. (I'd hope I'm counted among them as well, certain
indiscretions with parties who shall remain nameless notwithstanding,
even if they DID ask for it. :-) )

Part of the reason I come here is to remind myself that there *are* things
pro-lifers and pro-choicers can agree on, and to remind myself there are
people on both sides who sincerely want to work make this world better for
everyone, born and unborn.  THAT is what I want to focus on, not the constant
namecalling.  I slip every now and then, but really this is what keeps me
coming back, not the chance to needle people.

>|>>Concerning the rest of your question about an wanted pregnancy becoming
>|>>unwanted I would absolutely keep this woman from having an abortion unless
>|>>it threatened her life. When she intentinally got pregnant she did it
>|>>for the sole purpose of bringing life into this world and now that she is
>|>>carring and nurturing that life inside her womb she wants to kill it and
>|>>snuff out its life because she's having second thoughts. How  cruel
>|>>can you get?

>|>Pretty damn cruel, if the occasion warrants.  But that's neither here nor
>|>there; we're talking about a woman aborting a fetus.

>I have been having a problem lately with people editing out the questions
>I reply to. I don't mind editing to save space but please leave in the 
>original question.Is this how it is done please let me know.

It's done however you feel it's appropriate.  I'll edit out a question if
I feel the answer can stand on its own (or if my newsreader chokes, but that's
pretty rare).  I try not to edit out the question if the answer depends
fairly heavily on it, as above, or if later text refers to it. (This is the
case above, BTW.)

Essentially, it's a matter of personal taste.

>|>Jeff, I've discussed this with my mother (who's had a tubal ligation, so
>|>this was an academic discussion).  She pointed out that there are certain
>|>genetic defects which do not show up until later in a pregnancy and which
>|>are universally life-threatening.  An example is Tay-Sachs Syndrome.  The
>|>child is born, lives his brief life in excruciating pain, requires a
>|>great deal of medical attention, and dies very young.

>It sound like Tay-Sachs is rare.Correct me if I'm wrong. 

Yes, it is.

>I don't have
>an answer to this because I feel that they should get a chance to live
>but is a life full of pain worth it? This is a moral and philisophical
>question that I am sure many people would have trouble anwering.

Well, I've stated before in this group that I don't believe in legislating
minority cases.  I still believe that.  I only gave Tay-Sachs as an example
of one type of genetic problem for which birth might be crueler than
abortion; there are others.  In general, however, this isn't the main thrust
of *my* justification for allowing abortions, and I'm sorry if that's how
I represented it.  I just think it's something worth thinking about.

>I feel that there should be exception(who and why i don't know yet) but
>for the sake of convience lets stick to the majority of abortion cases.

As I said, I don't think minority cases (and I mean SMALL minorities here)
should be legislated.  That doesn't mean I don't think they should not be
considered.

>|>"Well, they're PRE-women." :-)

50 quatloos to anyone who can identify the source of the quote, BTW. (I'm bored
-- sue me.  ;-) )

>|>>No I don't think I should have secret Service agents although I would
>|>>feel safer walkiong around campus if I did.

>|>Considering where you attend, I don't blame you.

>NC State is not that bad just don't go around alone in the middle of the night.

Frequent posters here might disagree; you're easily one of the most reasonable
NC State people to pop up here.

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--Andrew Hackard                                 If I spoke for UT, this post
  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.
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