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From: rasp@xlnt.com (Ron Perloff)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Re: FDDI and ethernet address spaces
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:37:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: xlnt.991
Organization: xdi

>In article <1992Apr05.001458.3513@eng.umd.edu>, dzoey@eng.umd.edu (Joseph
Herman) writes:
>|> 
>|> Hi folks, here's a quick question for y'all.
>|> 
>|> FDDI and ethernet both have 48 bit addresses.  I know that the default
ethernet addresses 
>|> on the cards are supposed to be uniquely assigned by IEEE and I assume that
FDDI addresses
>|> have similar uniqueness.  If I have a transparent bridge between ethernet
and FDDI, do
>|> I have to worry about address duplication?  That is, are the 48 bit
addresses assigned
>|> to adapter cards unique in the combined FDDI and ethernet address space?
>|> 


Per letter from the IEEE Standards Office to the X3T9.5 committee, IEEE has
agreed
to administer FDDI 48 bit addresses as they have for 802.3, 802.4 and 802.5,
taking
them from the same address space so there should be no duplication.

Note: IEEE 802.5 and FDDI addresses are both big-endian; i.e., the most
significant
bit of each byte is transmitted first. All 802.3 and Ethernet addresses are
little-endian. Bridges between big-endian and little-endian addressing
protocols
are responsible for the conversion.

Having said all of this, there is always a non-zero danger that your supplier
will ignore or misread the standards and agreements or poorly control the use
of addresses, resulting in address duplication. Hardware failures can also
cause
duplication.

Since we are often asked how to obtain a block of IEEE addresses, here is the
info:

Contact Mr. Vincent Condello
        IEEE Standards Office
        445 Hoes Lane
        P.O. Box 1331
        Piscataway, NJ  08855-1331

        Phone: 201 562 3812

IEEE's administration fee for this service is $1,000.

Ronald S. Perloff     email rasp@xlnt.com
XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)
15050 Avenue of Science
Suite 106
San Diego, CA  92128
619 487 9320   *   FAX: 619 487 9768
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Re: SMT Standard
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:56:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <4086@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, ciarfela@vega.ucsb.edu (Ciarfella) writes:
> ...
> I don't understand why it was necessary to add pmf's to the standard.
> 
> Wouldn't it have been easier to rely on snmp and OSI-based management
> protocols to gather this information?  It might have been sufficient
> to provide only a rich set of management attributes without the protocol.
> 
> PMF's, in my view, seem to just add more complexity to the standard and yet
> another level of management (yolm).  


They added them something like 2 years ago mostly because one East Coast
startup in the SMT OEM software and FDDI network management business argued
tirelessly that it is impossible or at impractical to put TCP/IP on all
managed (i.e. MAC-full) FDDI devices.  They were able to convince or at
least worry enough of the "user" delegates to get the votes carried.

The first hardware I saw from that company, some time after the votes, was
controlled with SNMP over TCP/IP.  The company has since diversified a
lot.  I do not know what that company thinks about the $1500 boxes smaller
than many v.32bis modems that connect printers to ethernets, using the BSD
printer protocol over TCP/IP.

While you're railing at PMF's, don't forget directed beacons.

Be glad there is a permanent out for the parameter set's, "authentication
denied", because the set's include goodies useful to Joe College such as
broadcast packets saying "turn off".  Last I looked, the authentication/
authorization section of the standard was still a bad joke of a
to-be-determinde hole.  There was no conception of the difference between
"authorization" and "authentication" among many (probably most) members of
X3T9.5.  Few seemed to have any idea of the utility and prevalence to Joe
College of things like etherfind, tcpdump, and netsnoop.


grumph!  Just when I'd put all that #@@@@$%! out of my mind, you had
to remind me.

Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
From: shah@brahms.amd.com (Amit Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Re: FDDI and ethernet address spaces
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:34:14 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices; Sunnyvale, CA

In article <991@xlnt.COM> rasp@xlnt.com (Ron Perloff) writes:
>
>Per letter from the IEEE Standards Office to the X3T9.5 committee, IEEE has
>agreed
>to administer FDDI 48 bit addresses as they have for 802.3, 802.4 and 802.5,
>taking
>them from the same address space so there should be no duplication.

I believe that the IEEE addresses can be assigned by the company as they wish.
However, the group addresses are controlled by IEEE.  Thus the IEEE controls
the assignment of group addresses, not individual station addresses, which
can be allocated by a company to any network they choose.

>
>
>Note: IEEE 802.5 and FDDI addresses are both big-endian; i.e., the most
>significant
>bit of each byte is transmitted first. All 802.3 and Ethernet addresses are
>little-endian. Bridges between big-endian and little-endian addressing
>protocols
>are responsible for the conversion.

I think it is the information field which is different.  The addresses are
in identical order in all 802 LANs.  I haven't looked it up but.....
 

>
>Having said all of this, there is always a non-zero danger that your supplier
>will ignore or misread the standards and agreements or poorly control the use
>of addresses, resulting in address duplication. Hardware failures can also
>cause duplication.

Yes.
--
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Optical Networks Engineering			Fax:(408)987 2814
901 Thompson Place, M/S 70			email:amit.shah@amd.com
From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Re: Daisy chaining SAS FDDI workstations
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:30:54 GMT
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture


In article <1992Apr1.183900.908@dsiinc.com>, mark1@dsiinc.com (James Marshall Wood III) writes:
|>In article <1992Mar12.180450.8277@unx.sas.com> you write:
|>>We ( SAS Institute Inc ) are constructing a new R&D building.  Complete
|>>with fiber to each office.  The network support group ( of which I'm
|>>part of ) is putting together a proposal to do FDDI to the desk top.
|>>
|>>The workstations would be SAS ( single attached, not SAS Inst! :-) and
|>>connected to concentrators (of a yet to be determined vendor).  The
|>>concentrators would most likely live in equip closets on each floor
|>>or down in the basement of the building.
|>>
|>>Here is the question:
|>>
|>>	To save some bucks, one thought is to double up the number of
|>>	workstations on the concentrator ports.  We would daisy chain
|>>	one office to the next ( in the wiring closet ) then connect
|>>	this circuit to the concentrator port.  We would limit the number
|>>	of workstations per circuit to two.
|>>
|>>
|>>		Any problems with this approach?
|>
|>...
|>With slight modifications to the software, you may be able to make this work
|>more reliably. I do not know where you are getting your hardware or software,
|>but you might want to contact your vendor with your specific request.
|>
|>>
|>>David Cherveny			SAS Institute Inc	djc@unx.sas.com	
|>>Systems Programmer/Networking	SAS Campus Drive	(919)677-8000 x6689
|>>				Cary, NC  27513
|>-- 
|>Mark Wood			Distributed Systems International, Inc.
|>mark1@dsiinc.com		531 West Roosevelt Road, Suite 2
|>708-665-4639			Wheaton, IL  60187-5057
|>

Replace "slight" by "massive" and I might agree with you.  But the PCM
algorithm in SMT is fundamentally a two-party algorithm.  No "slight"
change is going to transform it into an N-party algorithm!

	paul
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Re: SMT Standard
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:00:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <1004@xlnt.COM>, rasp@xlnt.com (Ron Perloff) writes:
> ...
>                                                 The Connection
> Management (CMT) protocol within SMT places some responsiveness
> constraints with which most people do not like to burden a host.

All quite true.

There are about 2 main latency constraints.  One is 100 milliseconds and
the other is about 3 milliseconds.  If you're also handling RS-232 ports at
38.4Kb/s, an interrupt with 3 msec latency every few hours is not a big
deal.


> Further, those selling board level products often like to make those
> products as self contained as possible.

This is the most important reason for doing SMT on the board.  It comes
from the nature of their customers.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
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From: wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.misc
Subject: Serial lans for file transfer?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:03:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16746
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Hi...

	I am in a position to install what optimally will be a serial lan
of about 35 PCs.  It will only be used very infrequently for transfering
a few files around (the files are large enough that it is impractical to
use floppy disks if at all possible).  The reason I am looking at serial
is that it will be used so infrequently that buying ethernet cards and
installing something like Novell would not be cost effective.

	Are there any serial lans that might meet my needs?  If so, please
email me.

Scott Wilken

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.misc
From: vass@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (srinivas.vasantharajan)
Subject: Ethernet to Token-ring bridge
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:24:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Keywords: Ethernet Token ring


Folks
       Can anybody suggest a good Token-ring to Ethernet bridge?. 
We have an ethernet LAN running TCP/IP and Netware and are planning to connect 
a token-ring network to the ethernet LAN. 

I talked to the folks at Black Box and they suggested a company called 
"Crosscom". Has anybody heard about this company.?. Thanks for all the help. 

vas\@usl.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.sys.novell
From: cspecwc@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu (Bill Canning)
Subject: Bridge Filtering on Token Ring
Organization: Computer Spectrum, University of Missouri - Columbia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:05:29 GMT

We have a Token Ring network here with multiple bridges, etc., that has about
70 Novell servers on it.  In addition, this network has numerous bridges, 
routers, mainframes, 3270 controllers, Unix workstations, etc. attached.

The network uses source routing bridges to connect rings to the backbone.  My
problem is that I just attached a new remote bridge to our local ring (which
attaches to the backbone by another S-R bridge).  This bridge works fine, but
is the 56Kbps DDS line that the bridge halves communicate over seems to be
quite full even when there is no activity on the remote ring.

Using the statistics gathering screen of the bridge program (IBM Token Ring
Bridge Program V2.2), I found that in a 10 minute period, we had received
1.2+ MBytes of broadcast data over the bridge, compared to <5 KB of non-
broadcast data.

The people on the remote ring only need to get to the other side of the bridge
(one hop) for most data, and some mainframe communication via either telnet or
PC/3270.  Is there any way I can cut down on the ammount of traffic over this
bridge without messing up something else?

Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Canning
Microcomputer Support Specialist
University of Missouri - Columbia
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Name problems
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Apr07.173741.21600@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>Greetigns from Arval!  Hearn of Hrasvelgr writes:
>
>> I'm having trouble documenting the Hearn.
>
>The only source I know for this name is a divine figure from English
>mythology.  I think he originates in Old French chansons, but I'm not sure.
>I don't believe this is an appropriate given name for SCA use: In general,
>medieval people did not adopt the names of gods and goddesses as personal
>given names.  There are exceptions, but the general pattern is that they
>were not used.  I recommend that you not use this given name unless you can
>find a specific reference to its use by a historical person.

Oh, I don't know: we have a Dr. Hearne here at WWU who some think is a god 
of CS. :-)

>However, from the rest of your name I'd guess that you want
>something Scandinavian.  If so, no form of Hearne is likely to be
>appropriate.

Are you sure about this?  I seem to recall, when I was consulting aeons ago
with my local heralds, that one could utilize up to three nationalities,
ethnicities, languages or what have you when submitting a name for a persona.
The theory being that people traveled and heard other names they liked, I
guess.  Don't forget, as well, the interactions between Norse and Celtic
cultures over the centuries (whether willing or not on the Celts' part :-)).


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Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Name problems
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 17:37:41 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetigns from Arval!  Hearn of Hrasvelgr writes:

> I'm having trouble documenting the Hearn.

The only source I know for this name is a divine figure from English
mythology.  I think he originates in Old French chansons, but I'm not sure.
I don't believe this is an appropriate given name for SCA use: In general,
medieval people did not adopt the names of gods and goddesses as personal
given names.  There are exceptions, but the general pattern is that they
were not used.  I recommend that you not use this given name unless you can
find a specific reference to its use by a historical person.  On the other
hand, I am pretty sure that various forms of "Hearne" are found as surnames
in England, probably derived from some Middle English geographical term.
So, if you want an English name, you could use Hearne as a surname: William
Hearne.  However, from the rest of your name I'd guess that you want
something Scandinavian.  If so, no form of Hearne is likely to be
appropriate.  If you'd like to work on this further, drop me a note
directly.


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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: Mark_Hood@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Hood)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Name problems..Hearne
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:57:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11296
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


        I'd not heard of the "Geneological helper."  I take it it's a "public"
publication and not an SCA one?  Where would I find copies of it, Vanc.Pub.
Library or such?

Wllm
From: Mark_Hood@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Hood)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Hearne
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:53:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11459
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I don't know if this subject is finished or not, but I know of several people
around here with the last name of O'Hearn.  Irish naming practices being what
they are, this would indicate that once there *WAS* somebody with the FIRST
name of Hearn, wouldn't it?

Wllm.
From: 97549759@frodo.eecs.wsu.edu (Dayton)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Name problems
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:12:11 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

I'm having trouble documenting the Hearn.  It has many convolutions such as Herne,Hurn,Hern,Harn,Ahearne, and Hearne.  Does anybody know where I could find some stuff?  Thanks  Hearn of Hrasvelgr (unofficially of course)  :)
From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Name problems..Hearne
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:10:39 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Have you ever read through the genealogical helper. It is a bi-monthly
moagazine 1/3 inch think full on family listings. Has an index on all the names
in the magazine that month. And a description as to where on each page the name
is located.

Loads of info. Take me a month to go through it just so I don't miss a clue.
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From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Thanks...
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:24:43 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Does this mean you'll be joining us on "the Rialto" as we sometimes call
rec.org.sca  ?
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Name problems
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 19:00:22 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Moreach, you wrote:

> "Aherne" is a name found in county Clare, under various versions. 

As a given name, or as a surname?  I believe the latter, but the former
would astound me.  Surnames and given names were separate categories of
words in most medieval languages, and surnames were rarely used as given
names.  The common interchange of surnames and given names is a modern
phenomenon, dating in English from the early 17th century, and becoming
common in the mid to late 18th century.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Name problems
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:31:26 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Try looking in Irish sources. "Aherne" is a name found in county Clare, under
various versions. I don't presently have a really good source for Irish names,
but your local library ought to be able to help.

Moreach
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Hearne
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:00:11 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  William asked a good question:

> I don't know if this subject is finished or not, but I know of several people
> around here with the last name of O'Hearn.  Irish naming practices being what
> they are, this would indicate that once there *WAS* somebody with the FIRST
> name of Hearn, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily, for two reasons. The Irish patronymic particles "mac" and
"o'" are usually combined with the genitive form of a given name, but not
always.  Some patronymics are formed from descriptive, occupational, or
locative epithets.  The surname might have derived from a source other than
a given name.

Probably more to the point in this case, "O'Hearn" is a modern, anglicized
surname.  The Gaelic patronymic from which is derived is certainly very
different, and the given name may not look anything like "Hearn".  I
haven't looked up this name, but I can give what is probably an analogous
example: The surname O'Hickey" derives from Irish o' hIchaidh (the '
represents an accent on the o, and the spelling is approximate, based on my
recollection).  The "h" represents aspiration: when o' is followed by a
word beginning with a vowel, it force an aspiration.  The root word is
"Ichaidh" (or something like that).  I don't recall offhand if that was a
given name or not; I think it wasn't.

If you need more detailed information on this particular surname, you can
check Edward MacLysaght, "The Surnames of Ireland," or I can check it for
you.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Lets use it any way
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:58:12 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum



I have heard that the current Laurel doesn't have usenet access, although he
has "ears" here. There are quite a few heralds who do, though. So...any
heraldry questions? Had a device returned and don't know why? Need a name
change? Let us know...

Moreach
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
Subject: Re: Name problems
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:34:18 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Arval is right. Aherne and Hearne are surnames in Ireland, too. I don't know
if they were ever used as first names in any recognizable form, but it's worth
looking into. An Irish first and Norse last name is *possible*, but you'd have
to have a persona from Dublin, or the Isle of Man, or some other Viking enclave
to have it make any sense. I don't think it was ever a Norse name, as it was
never a Norse god. (And, names of gods ending up as human ones is rather rare,
and also fall afoul of the rules against presumtuousness in most cases.) Where
did you get it, anyway?

Moreach
Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: Hearne
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:52:09 GMT



Possibly... trouble is, you run into the really *bad* translations between
Irish and English and Norman French that crept in. *If* you can find such a
first name, then go for it! It's at least a start...It would be my choice
for a starting place.

Moreach

Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: HI and HELP
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:45:35 GMT

Hi there.  I've been lurking here for the past 10 minutes and have read the 
of the descision to keep using alt.heraldry.sca untill it gets nuked.
I think that this shows a dedicated following, one i hope will be open to
helping an as of yet non-member.

My question is How does one join the SCA.  I have talked to some people up
here in Boulder about it but I never quite caught on, plus I lost their #'s
so... Also, a very dear friend of mine is a member of the Louisiana shire
(Ithink it's called) but, alass, I haven't talked to her in over a year
and really don't know how to reach her.

So any help (E-Mail or otherwise) would be greatly appreciated.

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