From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: History lesson (was Re: 2 dead on Saudi/Qatari ... )
Date: 3 Oct 1992 10:06:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Just the facts,...
Keywords: Then and Now

In article <11242@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@nero.clearpoint.com 
(Joachim Martillo) writes:

>Arab and Islamic unity is a stupid silly concept.  Neither Arab nor
>Islamic culture ever provided 90% of the population with anything but
>abject poverty and misery.  Not only has the civilized West provided a
>high quality of life for the vast majority of its population, only the
>civilized West of all cultures has ever been capable even of providing
>food for its own population.  Arab and Muslim people should seek human
>unity if they are ever to be happy.  In any case, in the unlikely
>event that Arab or Muslim people should achieve unity (depite a
>history of continuous and mindless internecine slaughter), the
>civilized West being vastly more powerful would simply dismantle a
>potentially dangerous competitor.
>-- 
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
>
>The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.

Obviously, this article also represents nothing other than opion.
Let us compare the facts to what was said....

>Arab and Islamic unity is a stupid silly concept.

This is true.  Islamic unity refers to the unity of all
Believers.  Worbs like 'Arab' and 'Saudi' have no place within
Islam, as Allah (SWT) doesn't give a plumb nickle for such
things.

>Neither Arab nor
>Islamic culture ever provided 90% of the population with anything but
>abject poverty and misery.

This is false.  Not only were abject poverty and misery banished
from the lands of the Ummat at one time, but the small part of
its wealth contained within Spain when it fell to the barbarians
was sufficient to fund the Spanish monarchy for many generations
to come, including the money for several wars, vast colonialism
in the 'New World,' a few Crusades to the Holy Land, etc.

Perhaps more importantly, however, was the advancement of
knowledge, as Islam propogates universal literacy.  The muslim
Ummat, which spread from South America to China, and including 
pretty much everything EXCEPT northern Europe, collected all the
knowledge from their lands into tremendous libraries and
universities, some three stories high and taking up large
sections of the cities.

The most notable of these were in Spain and Egypt.  These were
centers of learning for the whole of humanity, with Scholars from
all over the world coming to study there.  Yes, even the
Europeans....  (Who would like us to believe that the sudden
burst of scientific invention and the Rennaisance itself was a
product of European minds.  Hogwash.)

The truth of the matter is that most of modern science has yet to
attain the height reached under the muslims 500 years ago.  We've
had to painstakingly rediscover things like astronomy, medicine,
architecture, physics, et cetera, which were lost when the
'civilized Europeans' burned the libraries to the ground.

>Not only has the civilized West provided a
>high quality of life for the vast majority of its population, only the
>civilized West of all cultures has ever been capable even of providing
>food for its own population.

Wrong again....  The 'high quality of life' you speak of can be
seen here in the U.S., the paradigm of 'the civilized West.'
Here we have 

- housing for 80% of the population, some %70 of that being 
  sub-standard (ie. falling apart); 

- food production sufficient to feed a large chunk of the world, 
  but we throw half of it on the ground to rot so that even in our 
  own country people are starving to death;

- social problems which defy description.  One out of every three
  women in the U.S. is raped at least once.  Almost half the
  children here are sexually abused.  The leading cause of death,
  after heart attacks (due to bad health), is murder.  Alcohol and
  drug abuse is so prevalent that most babies born in this country
  are born addicted.  I don't think I need to elaborate on AIDS
  here in the U.S.

- a lack of family structure, supposedly the backbone of society.  
  Most families consist of a single mother and one or more 
  children.  Half of all marriages end in divorce.  

- major economic problems.  The U.S. debt is so mind-bogglingly
  big that even if everybody that owed us money paid up we STILL
  wouldn't be able to pay it all off.  Add to that the fact that
  we don't even have the money to pay for the damage in Florida
  and Louisiana (from the hurricane that just went by), much less
  the damage done to Hawaii, and you start to see the problem.
  California is still struggling to rebuild from the last major
  earthquake, and we're expecting the BIG ONE within five years.
  We've already cut our State Budget in half, due to lack of
  Federal funding.  When the earthquake DOES come, the Feds won't
  be able to pay for the repairs, so why should the State of
  California pay taxes to them?

- a school system which is not only failing our society, but is
  being demolished due to lack of funding.  (See 'economic
  problems,' above....)  Our education system is over-burdened,
  under-staffed, has no money for maintenance costs, (we're still
  using textbooks over ten years old), and they just cut our school
  budgets by over %40.  Lots of teachers have now lost their jobs.
  Of those kids that go to school, over half of them drop out
  before finishing high school.  It's easier to sell drugs than
  to get an education, here in the U.S.

- a government that is so corrupt and incompetent that I cannot go 
  into detail here as it would take twenty pages just to gloss over 
  it.


The one thing the U.S. CAN do better than anyone else is kill
people.  We're still the only nation to anihilate not just one,
not just two, but HUNDREDS of races, here on our very own
continent, the only nation to make human beings one of our main
imports and marketable comodities, the only nation to drop the 
atomic bomb, (twice, on civilians), the only one that managed to 
spread the AIDS virus to just about every country in the world, 
the one who is most responsible for the depletion of the ozone 
layer, the one responsible for the famines and wars occurring now 
in the rest of the world (and those coming up 'Real Soon, Now'...), 
and we are also the country which has sabotaged all efforts to
contain these very real, very ugly human disasters.

I can say these things.  I've grown up here.  I've spent my life
learning about all this garbage.  For the life of me, I can't
imagine why all these countries around the world want to be just
like the U.S.  Other than the fact that they must be blind....

In no case has the 'civilized West' reached anywhere near the
standard of life which was a reality under Islam.  When Northern
Europe royalty were still living in barns and using offal pits to
relieve themselves, Spain had virtually universal literacy, food,
shelter and clothing for everybody, advanced science, hot and 
cold running water and advanced sewage systems, gas lights for 
streets, paved roads (some of which still survive to this day),
NO crime problem, NO health problem, NO economic problem, NO 
government problem, NO social problems, and certainly no problem
keeping the European barbarians from spoiling it all.  

BUT the muslims went ahead and threw all that in the garbage when
they abandoned Islam.  They weren't happy with things the way
they were, they wanted to be just like the Kafirun.  I am only sad 
that I am limited to those facts which I can report with certainty, 
as there is much more (especially in science!).  As it is, it is 
extremely difficult to uncover the history of the world at that time.  
Most of it has been burned, the rest being buried beneath lies and 
the dust of Time.

So now here, we are, 500 years later, waking up to the fact that
the Kafirun prefer dead muslims to righteous ones.  Can you
believe that some muslims still pursue 'democracy' and
'Westernization' as ideals?  Is it any wonder we're undergoing
such afflictions as have not been seen in this world before?  We
are the Ummat of the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) and we have trampled
the Laws of Allah (SWT) under our feet....

>Arab and Muslim people should seek human
>unity if they are ever to be happy.

What do you think Islam IS?  Any person that has any kind of love
for Allah (SWT), Truth, Justice, and/or Decency in their heart 
practices Islam.  Some of them just don't know they're muslims,
yet.

>In any case, in the unlikely
>event that Arab or Muslim people should achieve unity (depite a
>history of continuous and mindless internecine slaughter), 

Such a statement betrays appalling ignorance.

>the
>civilized West being vastly more powerful would simply dismantle a
>potentially dangerous competitor.

This much, at least, is accurate.  They've already dismantled the
muslims, the Russians, and the Europeans.  (Although the latter are
trying to sneak back together....  It won't be allowed, though,
not unless the U.S. is running things.)

The riots here in the U.S. are simply a warning of what is to 
come.  In twenty years (or less), the U.S. will disintegrate
in a manner that will make the mess of the former-Soviet Union
look like practice for the real thing.  

Let us pray that those of us who have some decency will prepare
ourselves to do all that we can to restore law and order when 
that happens.  Amin.

-AQ

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