From: mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd)
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:37:00 GMT

(David Wright) writes...
>mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:

>||There is nothing conspiratorial about it. How do you think the CIA recruits
>||people for deep cover anyway? It has already been shown that they in fact do
>||look at young people Oswald's age.

>|	It has? where has this been shown, since I haven't seen it.

>well, Here is Paul's article, carefull, I didn't bother double quoting it:

>In article <92228.024434U54778@uicvm.uic.edu|, U54778@uicvm.uic.edu writes:


[...]

>Funny you should mention Sturgis, Alan.  Here's an excerpt from the taped
>interview of Sturgis by Michael Canfield.  

>The excerpt is taken from "Coup D'Etat in America" by Canfield and Webberman.

>STURGIS: -- and a number of other people and so forth.  Okay, well, I
>think I told you earlier that I don't know if I'm a CIA agent or was a
>CIA agent or not
>because the top brass in CIA first denies me then they acknowledge me, then 
>they deny me, so I don't know what the hell I am, but all I know is I've
>been involved in a lot of activities for the United States government, from
>the very beginning -- from the time that I joined the United States Marine
>Corps when I first turned seventeen years old up until the present day, 


	Actually, its a leap to use this as evidence that Sturgis was
	a CIA agent in the Marines. All Sturgis said is that he was
	"involved in a lot of activities for the US government" from
	the time he joined the Marines. It could possibly mean that
	Sturgis was a teenage spy, but more likely it means that	
	Sturgis started out as a teenager in the Marine Corps, and
	later was involved in several other government activities,
	including the CIA.


>And here is another article by someone who I did not get the name of. This is
>not double quoted as well. Next time, please keep up with the net.

>>just to set the record in a realistic mode.  I know for a fact that during
>>the late 40's early 50's the CIA did use teens. My father-in-law according to
>>his DD214 was a member of the OSS (CIA) he was born in 28 and in 1945
>>was recruited by the OSS making him 17. and continued in this field of
>>employment
>>until 1968.

	But what did daddy do for the OSS? was he a field operative or
	a desk jockey?



>||I see. It's just a coincidence that Ferrie and Oswald were in the CAP?

>|	Since Oswald attended only two or three meetings before
>|	losing interest and dropping out, I seriously doubt that
>|	there is anything more than a casual connection. 

>You can doubt all you want. I don't know why you don't doubt the obvious
>things like Oswald was *not* connected to intelligence.

	Maybe it's because the case for Oswald being a secret agent
	is a tempest in a teacup. 



>||It is just a coincidence that Oswald goes to the Atsui Air Force base in Japan,
>||or comes back and does work that needs a secret clearance,

>|	What work that needed a secret clearence? 

>"-Stiles" or whatever the name of the photographic work he did, as well as his
>work in California. See Summers' Conspiracy, or Mealanson's book.

	Oswald's clearence in the Marines was "confidential," the lowest
	of clearences. Further, although the graphics company that Oswald worked
	for did classified work, it did many other, not-at-all secret
	things. So far as I have seen, there is no evidence that Oswald
	worked in the secret end of the business. 



>||or gets venereal disease in "the line of duty"?

>|	Or he just got VD and convinced the doctor/corpsman to add
>|	"in the line of	duty" so Oswald would stay out of trouble?

>Just another in one of your casual connections? Why would a doctor put such a
>thing down if it was lie?

	Just to be a nice guy? Also, folks with military experience
	tell me that VD cases are handled by corpsmen suprisingly often.
	Oswald could have convinced/paid the person making the report
	to put the "in the line of duty."

	One  possibility that is not considered is that Oswald was 
	infected while donating blood. That would be considered
	"in the line of duty."


>||You must have read the connections, the ease at which he passed between
>||countries,

>|	How hard would it have to be? 

>Can you say Cold War?

	Which countries are we talking about here?  The US couldn't
	help Oswald get into the Soviet Union, and I have yet to
	see it shown that Oswald got into the US abnormally easily.


>||his confession that he was going to spill secrets to the Soviets, etc

>|	Now this is a new one. Who did he say this to, and when?

>It is not new at all. It is in Conspiracy, Garrison's book, Marrs' book. Maybe
>you should spend less time reading exotic articles on ballistics and more
>on the case.

	So you mean while he was in the US embassy in the Soviet Union.
	Ok, I know about that. I thought for some reason that he was
	supposed to have said it before he left for Russia.



>|..What do you make of this?

>|	Certainly not moutains out of molehills.

>Just a thousand casual connections that the WR did not want us to know about?

	Much, much fewer than a thousand, and even those are tenuous
	at best.




>|	Well, you started out by saying that the Soviets knew Oswald
>|	was a spy. I saw the Nightline episode and the associated
>|	newspaper, etc articles, and they only claimed that the 
>|	Soviets suspected that LHO was a spy. Since the Soviets
>|	have released their files on Oswald, I'm sure we'd know
>|	by now if they could prove it. The Soviets would have suspected
>|	Oswald whether he was a spy or not.

>Let us say they thought Oswald was a spy with a certain probability, and yet
>they did not kill, torture or wound him.

	I'm sticking to what the Soviets said and not what "we" say.

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