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From: simon@research.canon.oz.au (Simon Walmsley)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:14:33 GMT

Eric Strayer writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec28.103655.11722@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>>>>Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".
>>>>They had already run out of his stories by that time... ...
>
>Sorry, but Moonraker was the third novel written in 1955. The story
>is actually kind of close to what the movie made of it, with the
>evil Drax and a rocket bent on earthly destruction.

The writer of the movie version of 'The Spy Who Loved Me' (Christopher Wood)
introduced the 'Jaws' character as a joke, and continued this into his next
screenplay 'Moonraker'. The story was published as 'James Bond and Moonraker'
and bore little resemblance to Fleming's Moonraker (the third Bond story).

The original Moonraker story was based in England around Dover, and was divided
into 5 days. Drax is a German who is bent on revenge for attrocities committed
on Germans by British during WWII. He plans to use a rocket carrying a nuclear
warhead to blow up central London. Bond ends up being tied up in the room in
London with the homing device while Drax escapes in a Chinese submarine off the
coast.

>>That's John Gardner who re-started writing Bond novels in the early 80's.
>>Very good books also. :)
>
>Correct. I think that so far all of the movies have been based
>on Flemming novels. Even Octopussy, but that was reaching 
>insofar as it was a short story (probably a prospectus for
>a novel) and the flick only used one paragraph from the story
>and made up the rest.

While John Gardner wrote some fairly corny stuff after Fleming died, there are
several stories still remaining by Fleming to be used as titles for Bond
movies. The remining titles are:

	    Quantum of Solace
	    The Hildebrand Rarity
	    Property of a Lady

Quantum of Solace is a very quick short story. The Hildebrand Rarity involves
a jealous wife stuffing a poisonous puffer fish down her rich husband's mouth.
Property of a Lady involves an auction of jewellry. In actual fact, the movie
'Octopussy' used the phrase 'property of a lady' in the auction scene, so I
guess that chops out that title. However they could still use quite a few of
the plots from the books since hardly anything of the plots from the original
books were ever used (apart from Thunderball and Dr No).

As for 'Licence To Kill' - there is no such Ian Fleming story. The book of that
name by Gardner is a novelisation of the movie but the title was not invented
by him. The story was to be 'Licence Renewed' but at the last moment it was
changed to the former.

Simon

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From: schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher)
Subject: Re: (Unsolicited) advice against Blockbust
Reply-To: schumach@stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:59:17 GMT

In article 1044@midway.uchicago.edu, cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes: 
> 	I doubt that the employees of Video Station have final say over
> what their store stocks for rental.
> 
> 	Not to mention that they would have to ignore rougly 95% of the
> (non-academy ratio) films that have been released to VHS.
> 

I live in Boulder and Video Station is my main rental source.  They also
have the biggest selection of rental laserdiscs I'v ever seen.

While the employees may not have *final* say over the store's stock. they
certainly have a strong influence, and the owners do listen carefully to
their recommendations (many of which are passed along from customers).

The store stocks a large variety of films, including cult, classics, silents;
and many of the categories have sub-categories.  For example, when I saw a
show on Jackie Chan on TV, I asked if they had any of his films.  They didn't, 
but a few weeks later I noticed a Jackie Chan sub-section in the Martial Arts
sub-section of the Action Films section.

They definitely don't ignore the strange and esoteric films, and if you mention
something they don't have that you would like to see, they will make every
effort to get it if possible.

	Kurt
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From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: 24 frames a second: technical query
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:04:02 GMT

Some one told me once that a film screen is lighted for less time than
it is non-lighted, during the showing of a film; that the blank,
black, spots that separate the individual frames occupy the screen for
more time than the lighted frames do.

Accordingly, I accepted what I'd heard, and recited it as gospel.
Today someone challenged the story, and asked for evidence of its
truth.

Is the story true?  If so, is there some standard source in which I could
look this up?
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From: cew2w@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Wrike")
Subject: Re: SF NOVELS THAT WOULD
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:03:34 GMT

victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us  writes:
> -> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
> -> From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
> -> Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
> -> Message-ID: <C0EHDF.1Awn@austin.ibm.com>
> -> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:36:51 GMT
> 
> -> I dunno...my money's on Stanley Kubrick, who's supposedly at work
> -> right now on an SF movie.
> 
> I hope its "2060"!!!!
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	I don't.  "2001" was great, although the book was
better, but "2010" was only OK, and both Kubrick and Clarke
have both admitted that the second film was the lesser of the
two.  I did not like the book "2061".  I find it hard to
believe that a spacecraft could land on Hayley's comet.  There
were a few good action scenes in the book, but all in all I
hope that Kubrick picks a new topic for his next movie.  Based
on the BO returns of "2010", I believe he will.
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From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: 1992 Movies that will continue to be popular
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:19:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.174021.7937@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.124951.24408@ils.nwu.edu> mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy) writes:
>>While everyone is making lists of the "best" films of 1992, I thought I
>>would throw out a slight twist to that question and see what people think:
>>
>>Which films released this year will continue to be popular over the next
>>decade? 
>>
>>Of the 1992 films, Wayne's World is certain to capture the same group that
>>seems to keep Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure going.  On the other hand,
>>I doubt Alladin will have the same long-term success that Beauty and the
>>Beast (not a 92 film, but one that will remain popular) will have.
>
>Interesting, as I'd thought "Wayne's World" immediately when you mentioned
>the notion of films that are popular now but won't be in ten years.  It
>seems to me that this film is so loaded with the youth references of today
>that, ten years from now, it will seem terribly outdated.  "Bill and Ted's
>Excellent Adventure" is a bit less that way, I think, as cool references
>and in slang come and go, but stupidity is forever.
>
Ah, but as one who went through high school at the same time as Michael
Myers and Dana Carvey I can assure you that the movie does *not* contain
"youth references of today" but rather references to the mid-70s. The
music, slang, and cultural references of 80% of "Wayne's World" were 
current during my Junior and Senior year. I mean they listen to 
Queen, Alice Cooper, and (ersatz) Sweet, make jokes about Stairway to
Heaven, Scooby-Doo,  and spout 70-isms like "Party On!" and "And maybe
monkeys will fly out of my butt". Watching WW was like watching a home
movie of a couple of stoners from my high school! 

What amazes me is that this film had any resonance with the current crop
of teenagers at all. BTW, the remake of "Ballroom Blitz" was HORRIBLE!

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From: guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan)
Subject: Seen Young or Shawn Young?
Organization: The Smelly Ditch
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 09:10:39 GMT

	A friend of mine insists that Sean Young (of Blade Runner and
numerous other movies) pronounces her name `Seen.'  Sounds corny
to me.  Anyone here know for sure?

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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Lenigrad Cowboys Go America
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:22:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.172810.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cksvih01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <Jan.8.14.37.23.1993.1872@lobster.rutgers.edu>, saidel@lobster.rutgers.edu (william Saidel) writes:
> > I saw this strange movie titled Leningrad (sorry for mispelling in
> > Subject) Cowboys Go America. It is a Finish Movie. Does anyone have a
> > clue as to the story about or behind this flic?
> > 
> I saw LCGA about a year ago in the local art house.  I thought it was
> pretty humorous in an extremely deadpan sort of way.  The style reminded
> me of Jim Jarmusch's films.  Think of it as a cross between "Stranger than

Not only that, but Jarmusch has a small role in the film (as the owner
of the C/W bar).  I suspect the similarity between their two styles is
not entirely coincidental.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
From: lundin@solbourne.com (Thomas Lundin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Who remembers this old flick?  PRIZES!! PRIZES!!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:19:27 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
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> <talk about Billy Barty, witches, disappearing and reappaearing>

Sounds like Roger Cormans THE UNDEAD 1956 w/ Billy Barty & Allison
Hayes. If I remember right it was a silly, confusing reincarnation/
vampire movie.   (kinda like Dracula - couldn't resist)
From: tom@varian.com (tom cao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Francais movies
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:13:05 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

>>
>>Please recommand good French movies that one can get from rental outlets.
	from rental outlets, the 2 recent ones (~couple years) are "jean de 
florette" and the sequel "manon of the springs" with Yves Montand, 
scene in pastoral southern France, based on novels of a famous
french academie francaise author whose name escaped me now.	
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From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:51:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.002401.8426@netcom.com>, damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
>In <C0p1o7.qw@news.iastate.edu> s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan11.065501.4244@netcom.com>, damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
>>>In <1993Jan9.050808.18544@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>>>>subconscious.  For example, the statement you make "I nearly barfed on
>>>>my [putatively female] companion" expresses a lot of repressed hostility and
>>>>aggression and indeed is a Dracula-like desire to infect a woman with your
>>>>bodily fluids.  
>>>
>>>i must admit that this is quite possibly the most offensive piece of
>>>pseudo-intellectual bilge i have ever had the displeasure to read.
>>>
>>>Mr. Nilges, you would do well to come out of your ivory tower and learn
>>>a little humanity. 
>>>
>>>and pseudo-intellectuals wonder why there is so much hostility expressed
>>>towards them.
>>>
>>>extraordinary.
>
>>Why is Nilges' post pseudo-intellectual?  I see his post as at least
>>attempting to articulate a view, whereas all you do is call him names,
>>which makes your post something rather more offensive than just "pseudo-
>>intellectual."
>
>this is hilarious. you would do well, my friend, to reread what i 
>wrote and try to *understand* it, rather than imbueing it with qualities 
>it does not have. 
>
>"SEE the amazing simple declaratory sentences!!"
>"READ the extraordinarily simple statements of OPINION!!"
>"SEARCH to your HEARTS content for 'name calling' - and walk away DUMBFOUNDED
> by its absence!!"
>"WATCH and LISTEN as i say the words 'this is an apple' and DISCOVER that it
> means ONLY THAT, and not 'i hate this world and those damnable conservatives
> who are responsible for all that is wrong in the world and francis ford is
> so lost in his weltanschauung that he has become a power mad tyrant who alone
> is responsible for the death camps of herzegovina and some of my best friends
> are gypsies and my concern for them is NOT just an expression of hip pseudo-
> intellectual faux-involvement!' "
>
>i find it further humourous that mr Nilges is apparently unable to 
>respond to what i wrote - he merely quotes me without comment. this must
>be the result of a well-rounded education...i've seen this done at least
>three times previously by our honourable interlocutor.
>
>sigh.
>-- 
>paul theodoropoulos     damiel@netcom.com     (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)
>
>"Those who will trade essential liberty for promise of security will have
> neither" - Benjamin Franklin

Given how very *little* your initial response to Nilges had to *say*, this
long-winded defense sounds quite bonkers, quite absolutely raving out-of-
this-world NUTS, dude.

mbm
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Help Identify this movie
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:30:55 GMT

In article 7986@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett) writes:
>|
>|About six years ago, I say this movie on T.V. about a military academy.
>|The plot was, a group of students, known as "THE TEN", were terrorizing
>|a couple of new cadets, to the point that one killed himself.  A smaller
>|group of good cadets were out to stop them, but ran up against the commanding
>|officer, who seemed to support the Ten, at least unofficially.
>| The Ten even framed one of the good cadets and got him kicked out of school.
>|I didn't see the end, and I can't remember the name of the movie so I can 
>|try to rent it and find out what happened.  If you know the name of this
>|film e-mail me the answer and also if you know if it is available on video.
>|
>|THANX
>|
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The Lords of Discipline.  With David Keith, I think, as the good kid.
The movie was based on Pat Conroy's novel of the same name.  He
also wrote The Great Santini and Prince of Tides.

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From: tatlow@dash.lmo.dec.com (Tom Tatlow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:16:50 GMT
Reply-To: tatlow@athena.lmo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, AI Technology Center


What about THE DARK BACKWARDS?  It's about a really, really,
bad stand-up comic who grows a third arm out of his back.



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From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Subject: Re: Parents (was: what was it?)
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:50:12 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.152925.990@b8.b8.ingr.com> usenet@b8.b8.ingr.com (Usenet Account) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.210334.21554@nosc.mil>, barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
>|> 
>|> In article <1993Jan5.180746.3373@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) writes:
>|> >My friends and I rented Parents (Randy Quaid, Mary Beth Hurt, Sandy
>|> >Dennis) to watch over New Year's Day.
>|> >
>|> >What the hell was -THAT- ??
>|> >
>|> >It had been put in the comedy section of the video store...
>|> >Parents has to be the weirdest picture I have seen in a
>|> >very very long time...
>|> >
>|> >Could some kind soul explain it to me?
>|>
>|> It was a satire on what it was like growing up in the McCarthy era.  With
>|> all the rampant paranoia going on, it would no doubt have an effect on
>|> a child.  This movie has the effect having the child even doubt his own
>|> parents.  But, the catch of the movie was that, despite all the paranoa,
>|> it was all true.  I really enjoyed it.
>
>WHAT?! Did we see the same movie? Is this the one with Steve Martin and Mary
>Steenburgen?
>
>HA HA HA HA HA  JUST JOKING!!!
>
Cute, I almost choked on that one.

>Seriously though, I saw "Parents" but don't remember any McCarthy theme in it. I
>thought the point of the movie was:
>
>	A) Make fun of the squeeky clean 1950's
>	
>	B) Pull in some of that David Lynch "Eraserhead"-type humor making
>something pretty normal (ie a family) into a bizarre horroshow.
>	
>	C) A perfect example of very dry, black humor.
>
>Basically, it's a movie for twisted, demented sociopaths. I loved it.
>
>Anthony

I failed to mention that it was a little more that the McCarthy influence
but that of the Cold War as well.  Can you imagine the aberrant behavioral
molding that could happen on a child growing up in a era of worrying if your
neighbors were communist, if the bomb was going to fall and not trusting
anybody.  A child might just equate all adults, including his parents, as being
apart and responsible for all these conditions.  Since Quaid did work in
a nuclear research type environment, the child would have even more reason
not to trust his parents.  I think that is what the movie was trying to
play upon.  A childs imagination coupled with all these negative influences
leading to a ludicrous paranoia that his parents are actually feeding him 
people that horrifiably comes true.  This is the "black" irony that the 
movie finishes up with.
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Subject: Re: Francais movies <spoilers>
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:10:25 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <C0Mx09.D4t@ens-lyon.fr> jfgonzal@cepe.ens-lyon.fr (Jean-Francois Gonzalez) writes:
>In article <1imtkmINNlqb@iraul1.ira.uka.de> S_HAIDA@IRAV1.ira.uka.de (Andreas Haida) writes:
>>I don't know whether these movies are available in the US but I highly
>>recommend the movies directed by Luc Besson, especially "Le Grand Bleu"
>>and "La Femme Nikita".
>
>If available to you, I highly recommend the ORIGINAL version of "Le Grand
>Bleu", the US version was edited a lot: the music by Eric Serra was replaced
>by something else (it's a shame!), the end was changed, etc... which makes
>the US version pretty different from the original one.

<spoilers>

Hmmm, I just saw "The Big Blue" last night. Not sure which version it
was although the credits said the music was by Eric Serra. (Had the
ending where Jacques goes late night swimming...)

However, I thought the film was pretty crappy. The characters didn't
involve me in the slightest and at times I found their motivations
hard to understand.

Perhaps if I had understood a little more about freediving it would
have helped or something. I'm still not entirely sure why Enzo snuffed
it after he got to the surface. Or was it just defeat. 

Good to see that the doctor turned up *just* as they were reaching the
physiological limits. Interesting how he could get them so accurate
too. I thought the US Navy had already done a lot of experiments along
those lines anyway?

It was part of a double feature with 'Betty Blue' and I enjoyed that
(for the fourth? fifth? time) a lot more.

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From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: totally ridiculous trivia question
Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:56:41 GMT

>In article <1hu6vlINN3ui@shelley.u.washington.edu> wiggs@deets.chem.washington.edu (James Wiggs) writes:
>
>   In what film did Bette Davis have the line: "What a dump!"

I'm not sure, but I think we have a winner for the Pepto-Bismol thread.

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