HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smtuttle@cs.uh.edu (Sharon M. Tuttle)
Subject: Re: PBS show is NOT historically correct!
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:30:32 GMT

In article <DAB.92Apr10121110@moxie.moxie.oswego.edu> dab@moxie.oswego.edu writes:
>
>I've read the positive reviews of the "Machine that changed the world"
>and I agree, almost.
>
>I was appalled that there was NO mention of Atanasoff.  
>
(stuff deleted)

So was I --- and surprised, too, since they did mention Zuse, who has
been omitted in several histories I've read. But then, they gave their
teaser for the next episode --- and I *think* it mentioned something
about struggles in the computer industry... 

I'm wondering if Atanasoff won't come up in the next episode; because
wasn't the court case about the computer patent in the late 1950's?
And isn't he a rather major player in that suit?

So, I'm hoping this omission will be rectified in this week's
installment.

(I really enjoyed the first episode, and wish our local PBS affiliate
had not shown it Sunday, instead of Monday --- we saw it at a friend's
house, catching it by accident, and did not get it on tape...)

--Sharon M. Tuttle
  University of Houston
  smtuttle@cs.uh.edu


Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: wlfong@logos.waterloo.edu (Philip W. L. Fong)
Subject: ACM Turing Award Lectures
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:30:35 GMT

Recently, I read the book _ACM Turing Award Lectures: The first twenty years_.
I am interested in knowing where I can find the lectures given after the
first twenty years, i.e. after 1985.

Philip Fong
wlfong@logos.waterloo.edu

Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: DECUS announces new board members
From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:01:05 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: lyons

From DCS, the DECUS Leadership Communications System...

            <<< TOPAZ::$255$DUA6:[NOTES$LIBRARY]MC_PUBLIC.NOTE;1 >>>
                    -< Welcome to the MC_PUBLIC conference >-
================================================================================
Note 93.0                  Board Election Results 1992                No replies
TOPAZ::BRINDLEY "President"                          68 lines   4-APR-1992 10:59
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     04-Apr-1992 10:37am EST
                                        From:     Bill Brindley
                                                  BRINDLEY
                                        Dept:     BOARD OF DIRECTORS
                                        Tel No:   703-437-8280

TO: See Below

Subject: Board of Directors Election Results

The attached message contains the Board of Directors election results for 
the term July '92 through June '94.  Congratulations to the winners.

Our thanks to all who ran for the office.

Bill Brindley
President
DECUS U.S. Chapter


Distribution:

@Board
@Management Council
@LDEC


                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Apr-1992 11:54am EST
                                        From:     John Vilandre
                                                  VILANDRE
                                        Dept:     LDEC
                                        Tel No:   612-626-8850

TO:  Bill Brindley                        ( BRINDLEY )


Subject: Board Election Results

Mr. Bill Brindley
President
DECUS U.S. Chapter

Dear Mr. President:

	The auditing firm of King and McNamara has reported the results of 
the 1992 voting for Directors of the DECUS U.S. Chapter Board. The winning 
candidates, in alphabetical order are:

		Mr. Jeff Jalbert
		Mr. Dave Johnson
		Ms. Emily Kitchen

	In addition, the voters have approved amending the bylaws of the 
U.S. Chapter to replace the former mission statement with the one on the 
ballot.

	LDEC wishes to congratulate the winners and to thank ALL of the 
candidates for conducting a high-level, professional campaign.

				Sincerely,
				John Vilandre

    

Xref: sparky comp.org.decus:332 comp.os.vms:8150 vmsnet.misc:430
From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Xwindows for VaxStations 2000
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:05:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.org.decus

In article <petav.703443498@e20.physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, petav@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peter Averkamp) writes:
> redmill@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Keith A. Redmill) writes:
> 
>>In our department we have several Vaxstation 2000 machines (running VMS 5.3)
>>that should make excellent xwindows terminals.  We talked to our DEC
>>salesrep about this and apparently DEC has produced an Xwindows package,
>>but he doesn't know anything about it.

 
> No problem, MIT X11 supports the vax2000 video.
> I don't know if there is any problem with VMS, but on
> Ultrix (4.1) i have an MIT X11 server working just fine.
> If all you want to do with it is converting it to an
> X-terminal then Ultrix should fit on a RD53.
> There may be a problem with the screen saver using
> an unsupported framebuffer feature on very old hardware,
> but i've done the necessary source changes. (and only faint memory
> where they reside...) Anyway, if you decide to build your X11 and 
> get trouble with this, i think i can help you out.

While this is tru, the 2000 is pretty underpowered for this function. A better
solution might be the DEC EWS X termnial software. It uses the 2000 as an X
terminal by booting a VAXeln system over the net. It is the same software used
for the VT1300 X terminal.

It works pretty well, but there are memory limitations since VAXeln is not a
virtual memory system. I use this product.

I don't know if the 2000 is supported for the DEC VXT2000 product, but, if it
is, this is a much better product since it does support virtual memory and
boots off of an InfoServer. I don't have this product, but I have played around
with it at DECUS.

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: oberman1@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.sys.dec
From: mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney)
Subject: Re: Xwindows for VaxStations 2000
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:49:19 GMT

In article <petav.703443498@e20.physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> petav@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peter Averkamp) writes:
>No problem, MIT X11 supports the vax2000 video.
>I don't know if there is any problem with VMS, but on
>Ultrix (4.1) i have an MIT X11 server working just fine.
>If all you want to do with it is converting it to an
>X-terminal then Ultrix should fit on a RD53.
>There may be a problem with the screen saver using
>an unsupported framebuffer feature on very old hardware,
>but i've done the necessary source changes. (and only faint memory
>where they reside...) Anyway, if you decide to build your X11 and 
>get trouble with this, i think i can help you out.

Why reinvent the wheel?  DEC has X for both Ultrix and VMS.  I'm running
Motif under VMS on my VS2000.  I boot from another node, and it's a
problem to fit everything on an RD54 (VMS no longer fits on an RD53).
That's why I boot elsewhere :)

As for the power of the 2000, I have a GPX machine, and I personally
think it's fast enough, as long as you don't plan on doing too many
things.

I run (locally) a couple of DECterms, calendar, calculator, clock,
xcmap, sunclock, and of course the session manager.  Sometimes I even
have xroach running, and a girlfriend logged in remotely.  Also, I run
ucx, with a finger daemon.

In addition, I usually have a couple of terminals coming from somewhere
else.

Yes, a 2000 is plenty powerful for a personal workstation displaying
windows.  If you want to do development on your workstation, get
something bigger :)

BTW: I have 16MB of physical memory.  That helps alot.  With 8MB or
less, you're outta luck.

	Darrin
-- 

mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu

"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Subject: Re: DECUS Board and Bylaw elections
Organization: Hadron.com in exile
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.084940.1565@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
>In article <69874@ut-emx.uucp>, mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox) writes:
>> 	The auditing firm of King and McNamara has reported the results of 
>> the 1992 voting for Directors of the DECUS U.S. Chapter Board. The winning 
>> candidates, in alphabetical order are:
>> 
>> 		Mr. Jeff Jalbert
>> 		Mr. Dave Johnson
>> 		Ms. Emily Kitchen
>> 
>> 	In addition, the voters have approved amending the bylaws of the 
>> U.S. Chapter to replace the former mission statement with the one on the 
>> ballot.
>
>Was there a numeric tally posted. The pessimist in me would like to
>know the relative dissatisfaction of the membership with the above
>candidates and resolution.
>

I do not believe that I have ever seen an official posting of the actual
voter counts in any DECUS election.  I also do not believe that there is
a provision to provide one.

-- 
                Kurt Reisler (UNISIG Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
		  Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
		     Only a guest at klr@umbc3.umbc.edu
		      (formerly at klr@decuac.dec.com)
From: frisbie@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Definitive list of PDP processors and their differences ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:36:39 GMT
Organization: Flying Disk Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.080119.1@ptavv.llnl.gov>, oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes:
> In article <702562807.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>, 
Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson) writes:
>>  
>> I didn't know he also developed RSX too.  I heard he went to work 
>> for Microsoft on Windows/NT.  Interesting what you can learn around 
>> here.  
> 
> Amazing what you can learn that is not correct! RSX pre-dates Dave Cutler by
> quite a bit. He was largely responsible for the "M" implementation of RSX and
> was the top designer for VAX/VMS and now is at Microsoft.

I have in front of me a copy of the "RSX-11A Programmer's Reference Manual" 
by D. N. Cutler, dated 10-Apr-72.

The only earlier RSX document in my collection is the RSX-11C User's Guide
(First printing), dated October 1971.   I hardly think that six months
constitutes "quite a bit", even if "C" predates "A".

In any event, 20 years of leading-edge operating system development is
worthy of recognition.   If you were to list the most popular operating
systems of all time, I am sure that both RSX-11M and VMS would be there.
How many other people can claim two on that list?   Will he make it three?

I am always looking for early RSX documentation and distribution kits for
the archives.   If you have something from this era that you would like
to contribute, please give me a call or mail.

--  Alan E. Frisbie               Frisbie@Flying-Disk.Com
--  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.
--  4759 Round Top Drive          (213) 256-2575 (voice)
--  Los Angeles, CA 90065         (213) 258-3585 (FAX)
From: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: DECUS Board and Bylaw elections
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)


In response to his query (see below), I have not yet seen the official
FULL tally (who got how many votes, how many votes other candidates got,
bylaws tally, etc). Typically this is released at the Spring Symposium
in a few weeks.

In a "typical" year about 20% of the membership opts to vote; in our
case about 8,000-10,000 ballots. The percentage is similar to the
recently completed USENIX elections. This year, DECUS did not include
return postage , so that may have some effect.

When the full tallies are official, they will get posted...

Marg Knox
DECUS Board
_____________
In article <1992Apr7.084940.1565@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu writes:
|>In article <69874@ut-emx.uucp>, mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret
Knox) writes:
|>> 	The auditing firm of King and McNamara has reported the results of 
|>> the 1992 voting for Directors of the DECUS U.S. Chapter Board. The winning 
|>> candidates, in alphabetical order are:
|>> 
|>> 		Mr. Jeff Jalbert
|>> 		Mr. Dave Johnson
|>> 		Ms. Emily Kitchen
|>> 
|>> 	In addition, the voters have approved amending the bylaws of the 
|>> U.S. Chapter to replace the former mission statement with the one on the 
|>> ballot.
|>
|>Was there a numeric tally posted. The pessimist in me would like to
|>know the relative dissatisfaction of the membership with the above
|>candidates and resolution.
|>
|>Rand P. Hall, System Janitor, Merrimack College, North Andover, Massachusetts
|>Internet: rand@merrimack.edu, rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
From: dsroberts@beckman.com
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: DECUS symposium cluster
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:20:05 PDT
Organization: Beckman Instruments

In article <1992Apr16.180255.5558@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott) writes:
> If the manager of the DECUS symposium cluster is reading this:
> it would be really nice if, for once, the passwords didn't
> expire in 2 days, necessitating changing them twice during
> the symposium.  That expiration period isn't necessary.
> 
Aye-aye to that one!  Been a real gripe of mine.  But I had thought it was 3
days.

Would that manager be Steve Arnold? hmm.

-- 
   Don Roberts                   Internet:  don@beckman.com
   Beckman Instruments, Inc.     Phone:     714/961-3029
   2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX:       714/961-3351
   Fullerton, CA  92634          Disclaimer:  Blame me, not Beckman.
   Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one born without an instruction manual.
           - Ron Tye
From: Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Definitive list of PDP processors and their differences ?
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 03:30:33 -0500

 > From: sms@lonex.rl.af.mil (Steven M. Schultz)
 > mccrohan      writes:
 > >
 > >11/45 Vs 11/55          (From my PDP11 04/34/45/55 Handbook
 > >       300ns dual ported bipolar memory, High speed FPP
 >
 > I always thought of a 11/55 as a 11/45 with "racing stripes"
 
I wish I could get FAST memory like that!  I purchased an EMS
board for my IBM-PC clone and the memory they supplied was lowly
100ns memory.  I bought 2 meg for around $90 or so.  (72 chips of
256Kx1 bit).  How times have changed!  


From: Jack.Gunther@p806.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Gunther)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: DEC Capacity Planning & Performance Measurement
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 22:14:25 -0500

We're pleased to announce the Spring conference of The Computer
Measurement Group's DEC Systems Subgroup (CMG/D) to be held in
Dayton, OH, on April 22nd.

The conference will feature a DEC Track including 5 sessions on
DEC Capacity Planning and Performance.  The sessions include:

. Stress Testing a Non-Existant Application - Jack Brey, Navistar,
  discusses modeling and benchmark testing to cheese between use of
  a CASE tool and ACMS for a new major application.  The case study
  discusses analytical modeling and benchmarking on a VAX 9000.

. Business Use of Transactions and Response Time in VMS - Matthew
  Sullivan, BGS Systems, talks about how business (user) needs can
  only be serviced by providing enough computing capacity to complete
  the required work in the required time.  This session will discuss
  some methodologies for measuring and ensuring adequate response
  time in the VMS environment.

. Performance Characteristics of a Client/Server Transaction Processing
  Model - Dave Butchart, DEC, examines the performance characteristics
  of a TP monitor (VAX/ACMS) implemented using a client/server distributed
  architecture in the VAX VMS environment.  Performance related
  implementation and tuning options made possible by client/server
  architecture will also be explored.

. Implementing Capacity Planning for a VAX Cluster - Steve Weisman and
  Jack Gunther, Booz, Allen & Hamilton, This presentation outlines the
  process taken to implement capacity planning for a VAX cluster using only
  the standard DEC VMS performance monitors and tools.  VMS Monitor utility
  for growth trending is illustrated.  Additonally, Image-level accounting
  and ALL-IN-1 Metering utilities are examined to perform a detailed
  workload characterization and develop planning metrics.

. Capacity Planning in a VAX/VMS Environment - Case Studies - Roger Grant
  DEC, Several case studies of capacity planning n a VAX/VMS environment
  will be presented.  The studies will illustrate real solutions to capacity
  planning in a large VAXcluster, a client-server application, and an SMP
  environment.

This session will be held at the Fairborn Holiday Inn in Fairborn, OH.
The cost is $80.00 per person, including lunch. 
To register contact:

Annette Roth
17x CMG
P.O. Box 2816
Cincinnati, OH 45201-2816

For more info about this meeting or CMG/D, feel free to contact me at:
703-902-5173
or Voice Mail 1-800-862-4511, box number: 5173
Gunther_Jack@bethesda.bah.pc.niaid.nih.gov
Jack.gunther@p0.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Hope to see you there!

CMG and CMG/D are non-profit organizations dedicated to furthering the state
of the art in capacity planning and computer performance measurement and to
sharing information and ideas within the professional community.
From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: The Dec-20
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:04:57 GMT

In article <702562807.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson) writes:
  
> Compuserve runs on DEC 10s and I've used DEC 10s.  The CLI is lousy.
> The 20 does very nice.  I had the opportunity to work on one for three 
> weeks.  If windowing hadn't come around, THAT was the standard to 
> write CLIs for!  The CLI for the DEC-20 was totally stolen by Kermit.
> Nobody has ever, in my not-so-humble opinion, ever developed a command 
> line interface that was even close to the power and ease of use of 
> the DECsystem 20.  

I think you might be confusing hardware with software. The wonderful CLI was in
the TOPS-20 OS. I believe it ran on a 10 processor although it was probably
developed for the 20. (Of course, the 20 still had a 10 CPU, but it is my
recollection that TOPS-20 ran on older KA and KI CPUs and not just on those
hybrid systems dubbed DECsystem 20s.

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: oberman1@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: DECUS Board and Bylaw elections
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:21:45 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Apr7.184247.16692@umbc3.umbc.edu>, klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.084940.1565@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
>>In article <69874@ut-emx.uucp>, mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox) writes:
>>> 	The auditing firm of King and McNamara has reported the results of 
>>> the 1992 voting for Directors of the DECUS U.S. Chapter Board. The winning 
>>> candidates, in alphabetical order are:
>>
>>Was there a numeric tally posted. The pessimist in me would like to
>>know the relative dissatisfaction of the membership with the above
>>candidates and resolution.
>>
> 
> I do not believe that I have ever seen an official posting of the actual
> voter counts in any DECUS election.  I also do not believe that there is
> a provision to provide one.

In the past the numbers have been given to the candidates, announced at the 
open Board meeting at Symposia, and published in the Q1 issue of DECUScope.

In chatting with one the candidates the numbers were approx...

	Total Ballots = 8000

	1. 4600 votes\
	2. 4400 votes  \
	3. 4100 votes  /------ Don't think your vote counts? (It does)
	4. 4000 votes/
	5. 3000 votes
	6. 2000 votes

These numbers are unofficial and 2nd hand. In the last election there was about 
10,000 ballots.
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Subject: Re: Atlanta Symposium - hotel descriptions from last year?
Reply-To: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:41:00 GMT


In article <1992Mar31.082541.596@fps.mcw.edu>, brodie@fps.mcw.edu writes:
|>In article <1992Mar26.174252.14055@decuac.dec.com>, avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) writes:
|>> 
|>> All the housing information I have indicates it.  In the big book it is on  
|>> page 134, last column (marked laptop hookup).
|>> 
|>> All have except Best Western American, Comfort Inn, Radisson, and Ramada.
|>> Days Inn Downtown has some rooms with modem hook-up.
|>> 
|>> Fred
|>
|>a computer system manager should ALWAYS be prepared.   One of my
|>most useful tools I have (that I made... cost about $0.50) is
|>a RJ11 cable, with alligator clips on one end.   With this setup,
|>it's easy enough to bypass just about ANY type og telephone setup
|>(even if it's "hardwired" to the wall).
|>
|>If you don't know how to make one or how to hook it up, contact your
|>local telephone wiring contacttor for some help.   I did.
|>
|>[also make sure you have LONG cables.   One "modem friendly" room
|>I was in did have the extra RJ11 jack, but absolutely no
|>*power* outlets nearby.   Thus, either a longer RJ11 cable,
|>(or a battery-powered unit) helps.....]

If the hotel has a digital phone system, you may not be able to do
even this. Clipping an analog modem to a digital circuit is likely
to bring the maintenance folk running.

Should work well for the average analog phone system though.

--
Reece R. Pollack
Senior Software Engineer
The Wollongong Group, Inc.
From: Jack.Gunther@p806.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Gunther)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP