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From: gad@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Delta 30 day Standby Airpass
Organization: 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.011134.23104@trl.oz.au>, wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:
> A friend and I are travelling to the US in July, and we want to use a
> Delta 30 day standby air pass to get around.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with these?
> 
> How long are we likely to wait at airports for vacant seats, as we are
> "standby passengers"?
 Not much if you don't insist on taking a Friday night/Monday morning busy
 business route.
> 
> (and no, we won't be travelling on 4th July etc...)
> 
> How good is Delta (safety/service/food/legroom wise) ?
> 
 Safety - good but not the best, service - one of the best
> What are the best times of the days to get seats?
> 
> The price for overseas travellers is US$449, which is damn good value
> for 30 days unlimited trips. We have a copy of the conditions and there
> are no catches, OTHER THAN the fact you are on standby.
> 
> NorthWest have a similar deal, same price. Is this better or not?
> 
  It really depends on where you plan to go. Northwest has a better on-time
  record but Delta's service is superior to NW's. Delta has more flights
  in the South-East (Hubs in DFW, SLC, LAX, Atlanta, Cincinati) NW has more 
  flights  in the Midwest (Hubs in MSP, Detroit, Memphis) Best thing to do 
  is look where you want to go and then check the airlines domestic system
  timetable.
> We have visions of waiting days in airport lounges....!
> 
  Not to worry!
> Flying between cities will maximise the places we can see in our time in
> the US. I know these questions may sound silly, but bear in mind that
> the Australian airline industy/system is *nothing* like the US.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Please don't cut down the tall timber
> IRC: HMMurdock           | Let it grow tall straight and true
> RealTime: Glenn Wallace  | In this world we need tall tall timber
> Work: Drift Project AOTC | Tall timber like me and you - Greg Macainsh
From: hs@cns.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post (common complaints)
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:34:07 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

In article <1992Apr14.200832.7127@odin.corp.sgi.com> autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry) writes:
>In article <STEINAR.92Apr14181633@faust.solan.unit.no> steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf) writes:
>>Larry Autry writes:
>>
>>>Why it's ok to lower your window shade during a movie.

This took me a few moments to work out - on most of the flights I've been on,
the window shade closes from the top: so it would be bad NOT to lowere your
shade during the movie. Just another difference between Europe and the US?

>
>Only sometimes, I wish that there was a separate cabin for new fliers.  
>Things that irritate me personally that new fliers do (and even frequent 
[...]
>Bring infants without their pacifiers. (agreeing with another poster)

Not all infants have pacifiers - there are some people of the opinion that
sticking a pacifier in the baby's mouth as soon as it starts to make the
slightest noise is not the right-on thing to do. Also, please bear in mind
that if you don't like the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, chances are the parents, who are
sitting right next to it, and get it every day of their lives, also don't
like it, and are doing their level best to put a stop to it. Pacifiers don't
always work: sometimes a kid needs a good yell.

>Repeatedly peek out the window when the movie is playing. 

How about the people in the middle seats (often the ones with babies)
standing up in the middle of the movie? 

>3.) Person stands in aisle, talking loudly to person sitting.
>	"locks" window seat passenger in.

Dont forget the kids running up and down the aisle.

>5.) Person brings so much gear on board that they ask to stow part of it
>	under the seat in front of you.

Tell 'em where to shove it.


Here's another question: why do people never empty the sink in the toilet?
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From: mtume@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Annette Bernhardt)
Subject: travelling to Cuba
Organization: SSPPCC, University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:01:51 GMT



Does anyone have any information about travelling in Cuba:
best way to get there, how easy it is to travel around
the country cheaply -- not staying in expensive hotels, etc.
Specifically, can one camp easily? I'm asking because
NYT travel section sort of implied that cuba only wants
money tourists, and that lower status student travelling is
discouraged -- but I don't necessarily believe what the NYT
has to say on such matters.  Also, is it still common practice
for Cuban immigration to just stamp a piece of paper for US
passports?




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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: USair
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:45:45 GMT

In <29ECD9FF.9511@ics.uci.edu> davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Andersen) writes:


>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the following are also true:
>  Air Canada acquired CPAir
>  British Airways acquired British Caledonian

While the last is true the former is not.  CP Air was purchased by
Pacific Western (the parent company is still called PWA, I think) and
turned into Canadian Airlines International.  The holding company also
purchased Eastern Provincial Airlines, maybe even before it became
Canadian, Nordair, and eventually Wardair.  There were some dealings
with Intercanadien, a Quebec regional carrier, in which Canadian
owned, then didn't own, and now may own again, that companies routes.
The latest word is that Canadian has reached some agreement with
American.  Canadian law currently prohibits non-Canadians from ownign
more than 25% of a Canadian air carrier and it is not clear whether
American has agreed to this or whether the government will be asked to
change that rule.  Air Canada has reacted in its usual fashion - when
faced by real competition its has begged the governement to stop the
competitor from competing.  In this case, the only result that seems
to be acceptable for Air Canada is for Canadian to be compelled to
sell itself to AC.

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICAN "EXPRESS" (Re: AMEX coupons???)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:06:17 GMT

It's about time to take this talk about credit cards out of this newsgroup.

In article <167C511CC0.THAHARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, THAHARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
<In article <1992Apr10.171505.11128@midway.uchicago.edu>
<gjw1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Gregory J. Watson) writes:
< 
[long story deleted in the interest of bandwidth]
<>	It is possible that one of my other credit cards would have
<>done the same thing, but it would be a bit of a crap shoot figuring
<>out which ones would go to that length.
< 
<It is not just possible, it is most probable that any credit card issuer with a
<24 hour customer service number would have been able to give you the
<assurance that the money would be refunded for the unused portion.

Absolutely, and any card that doesn't have a 24-hour customer-service number
is not worth carrying.  The "service" AmEx gave you was nothing:  they're
*required* to refund your money.  Whether they wish to get a refund from the
airline is their business.

<Also,
<I bet the customer service center knew that most other airlines were
<honoring the Midway tickets.  That has been a common policy in cases of
<recent bankruptcies. (Gurus correct me if I'm wrong).

Certainly, and yours was probably not the first call they had had about
Midway.

<IMO, the Amex card is a rip off.

Absolutely.  It provides *no* services that my Visa cards don't provide--yes,
I've checked, and it turns out that my Visas even offer some services that
AmEx doesn't--and I don't pay any annual fees.  It is also accepted at far
fewer places than my Visas.  Merchants don't like it, since AmEx charges
them quite a bit more than Visa and Mastercard.  (Many restaurants ask their
regular customers to keep a tab and pay monthly by cheque instead of charging
each meal on an AmEx.)

					--Scott

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From: sjbriggs@unity.ncsu.edu (Judd Briggs)
Subject: frequent flyer
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:58:32 GMT

i recently signedup for delta/s frequent flyer program. i did this over the
phone.  the button pusher told me my number and that is all she said.

Q:  Will delta mail me a card and any pertinant info regarding the program?

Q:  are there any other airlines i.e. connector's that the milage will go 
    on my delta FF program?

thanks in advance for your help.
From: jclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (J.Christopher Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delta 30 day Standby Airpass
Keywords: delta
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:16:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Is this only for non-citizens?  If not, where do I get these?  I can do a lot
of travel in 30 days.

J. Christopher Clarke
jclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USair
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:23:01 GMT
Organization: Moore Capital Management, Inc. NYC

David Andersen <davida@ics.uci.edu> writes:

	USAir was formed by the merger of 3 airlines: USAir (formerly
	Allegheny) in the NorthEast, Piedmont (an airline almost the
	same size in the SouthEast), and PSA (in the West/Southwest).

USAir was around before they gobbled up Piedmont and PSA.

	Delta had also recently increased its west coast service when
	it acquired Western.

I thought Western was purchased by TWA?  Delta picked up several of the
AA and US gate slots.

/jordan
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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: AMEX and cashing checks overseas
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:32:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.181938.895@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
<
<You can also receive your mail at AMEX offices overseas, or at least
<you used to be able to do so.

You can do that whether you have their charge card or not.

					--Scott

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: AMEX Coupons on USAir
Keywords: Frequent Flier Miles
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:05:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.182720.387@unx.sas.com> sasdjl@norma.unx.sas.com (Jeff Lopes) writes:
>If I use my AMEX coupons on USAir instead of Contiental, can I get
>the miles posted to my USAir frequent flier account?  Anybody know
>about this?

Yep, mine were.

RNA
From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: SJC/SFO <-> New England or N.Y.
Summary: Any one offering mileage promotions?
Keywords: double miles, sf bay area to new england/new york
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:00:47 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

Are any airlines offering mileage promotions for a round trip from 
San Jose/San Francisco/Oakland to New England (likely Boston) or New
York?  This is for end of May/early June.

Please reply by e-mail if possible, I'll summarize replies to the net.
-- 
Rajeev Jog
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From: punisher@gawain.cif.rochester.edu (What a charmer!)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Delta Frequent Flier Mileage
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:20:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Apr14.202049.8273
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I recently started flying on Delta's Business Express
and decided to join their frequent flyer club.  According
to the details I got, I get 1000 miles for every BEX flight I
take.  Is this in addition to the miles the flight actually takes?
Or is is a set 1000 for BEX flight?

Thanks.
	Pete

By the way, does anyone have a clue as to how many miles
	it will take before I can get something from Delta?  I
	was joking with my uncle (who flies AA, united, or Delta
	at least once a month) that I would probably need a million
	miles before I got a freebie.  He said that was about right, 
	and that I MIGHT get to go as far as Rochester, NY. to NYC!!!
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From: tkw@leland.Stanford.EDU (Todd Whitehurst)
Subject: South Pacific Courier Info
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:51:04 GMT

I have seen a few requests for courier info.  I have potentially
outdated info from when I took a courier flight to Sydney a year
ago.  Flying as a courier was real easy and pretty cheap.  I
recommend it.

OLD courier info to the South Pacific:

Company #1 (in LA):
Hong Kong	$350
Singapore	$425
Tokyo		$350
Taipei		$300
Bangkok		$500

Phone: (213) 607-0125


Company #2: (in LA and SF)
SFO-HONG KONG	$350	2 week round-trip
SFO-SINGAPORE	$300	2 week round-trip
SFO-Bangkok	$350	2 week round-trip
LAX-HONG KONG	$350	2 week round-trip
LAX-SYDNEY	$400	3 week round-trip
**********	****	*****************

Phone: (213) 410-6822  (in LA)
       (415) 742-9613  (in SF)


These fares have probably increased since I compiled them a year ago,
but I think the phone numbers are worth noting.  Of course, I haven't
called the companies in a year, either, so I'm not sure if they're still
in business.

Good luck!
-Todd-

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From: western@sequin.rdg.dec.com (Jennifer Western)
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Reading, England
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:36:16 GMT

In article <54326@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:
>In the referenced article staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
>
>>The *BEST* part about OHare is that I can take the train directly INTO the
>>terminal.  Cuomo, Dinkins, are you listening?  Its not confusing.  Get on
>>the ONLY train that goes to Ohare, and take it downtown to the Loop.  If
>>you need to go to Wrigley field or Evanston, its one change of trains.  If
>>you need to go to see the White Soxs, its one connection as well.  How 
>>difficult is that?
>
>I can top it.  Atlanta's Airport MARTA train station is also inside the 
>terminal, costs less (one measly semolian rather than $1.50), and runs
>from there to the underground portion of Peachtree Center, which gets you
>covered access to all the major convention hotels save the Hilton and the
>Omni (the latter of which is accessed via a freebie train connection, and
>has its own station).  Going to the Braves game?  Nab the shuttle bus at
>P'tree Center for a quarter extra (don't forget your bus transfer, it's free,
>too).  Oh, yeah, unlimited-trips two- and three-day convention passes are
>available at the Five Points ridestore, and, I think, at the airport. 
>

  I think Heathrow would be hard to top.  Two tube stops (Piccadilly Line),
  one for Terminals 1, 2, & 3, and another for Terminal 4.  Plus, there are
  RailLink coaches for connecting to BR.



  Jennifer
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From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Subject: Re: Frequent Fliers
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:54:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.173630.18003@pony.Ingres.COM> cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:
>British Airways also now have a frequent flyer program of their own (at
>least for U.S. residents). Awards are for transatlantic travel only so
>it's not a lot of use for those people who infrequently fly across the
>Atlantic. The program also purportedly allows families to 'pool' their
>mileage for award purposes. Seems like the program is geared to
>expatriate Brits visiting Britain with their families.

Actually, they do have intra-European awards, starting at 10,000 miles 
for one round trip ticket.  They have several zones, of which Zone 1 is
London to most places in the U.K. (10k miles), Zone 2 is a few places in
Western Europe (e.g. Amsterdam), etc.  One of their marketing blurbs is
"a free ticket after only one transatlantic trip before 12/31/91" which
is true since they're giving a 10k bonus for that first flight, so you'd
have at least enough for a free Zone 2 ticket.  I think the transatlantic
awards start out around 40k miles.

Jacko.
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From: help@beaufort.sfu.ca (Help Desk)
Subject: AA's new fare
Keywords: AA
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:22:25 GMT

American Airline new fare structure eliminates both
children and senior's discount. They will now pay full
adult fare. The adult fare from SEA-POS was $794 and the
child's fare was about $546. After April 13 these fares
will be $734. A $40 drop for the adult and a $188 increase
in th child's fare.  Certainly theres no big fare drop.
I don't think children under 12 will be flying AA 
in the future. 

The only significant benefit will be in the unrestricted
use of a ticket. You can change reservations or these
tickets as an open ticket with a charge of $25. This is 
apparently to lure the business traveller.
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From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: How does riding a Concorde feel?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:32:50 GMT

I am writing a research paper on the HSCT (High Speed Civil Transport).  Does
anyone know how a supersonic flight feels?
Thanx!

Steve Chen
scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: noah@coos.dartmouth.edu (Noah Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:54:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.174453.10806@husc3.harvard.edu> percus@scws6.harvard.edu (Allon Percus) writes:
>>In article <rsodmINNbi7@agate.berkeley.edu> spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:
>>>On the same subject, are there any nonstop flights from South
>>>America to Africa. Say Buenos Aires-Johannesburg, South Africa.
>>
>>No, I believe they all make a stop somewhere about mid-way.
>>
>>Seriously, though, I know there are Rio-Cape Town flights.

>I believe the longest nonstop routes are NYC-Johannesburg, flown by SAA.
>(sanctions permitting).

>Jacko.

The flight to Johannesburg stops in the Cape Verde Islands.

-Noah
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From: bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Subject: FAQ list
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  7 APR 92 17:30:46    


This group is just begging for a FAQ posting because 75% of the
traffic is about:

      	how to be an air courier
        Airhitch
        ticket consolidators
        AMEX vouchers
        travel agents -- how to find them, the fact that they don't
      	   cost you money and they can probably search current fares
      	   a little better than people on the net

Of course, then there'd be little else to talk about here!
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:57:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rvj7sINNluj
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I have read all the troubles with using the frequent mileages and vouchers 
from Northwest and other airlines, I think you dont have that trouble with
United. You can make reservation over the phone as far ahead as you like,
exchange the tickets anytime before your trip. There are a few blackout dates,
less than 10 days in a year. There is no penalty if you dont "purchase" your
reserved flights and it is flexible to change your itinerary.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rlk20269@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Leon Kapusta)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:12:05 GMT

What about flights to Australia?  Are they non-stop?  Wouldn't these
be the longest flights?

Just a thought

Rich Kapusta
University of Ilinois
From: kevinc@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Travel Clubs Info? USair destinations
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:44:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: spool.1992Apr8.204444.19179
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.


Does USAir only service the East coast? by looking
at their hubs they seem to be generally heading East.

Also has anyone tried the "Travel Clubs" that guarantee
the lowest price travel? If you join for (45-75$/yr),
they will guarantee you the lowest "non special discount"
price on all travel plus give you back %5 of what you spent!
This includes car and hotel if booked through them...

by "non special" I mean no last minute fares, student fares,
or deals with more that 2 asterisk :)...

The also have good last minute deals (2-3 weeks advance)
for places like Mexico, Carribean, etc for ~40% discount.
I think there are several clubs but I don't have a list
of numbers or companies but if someone else does, please post!

thanks,
Kevin A. Chin
kevinc@jomby.cs.wisc.edu
From: gjw1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Gregory J. Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:14:18 GMT
Reply-To: gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


	As long as we are engaged in topping other stories: :-)

In article <1992Apr7.005517.15409@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
[Stuff deleted]
>
>My dad was on a longer flight...Boston to Detroit...They spent 13 hours on 
>the plane.  Of course, the bad weather and refeulings while waiting for it
>to clear had a lot to do with that...  =)  I guess we're not counting un-
>scheduled delays, though, are we?  :) :)

	Slightly more than 13 hours on the runway at O'Hare and then
75 minutes of flying time to Washington National.  So total about
14.25 hours for a flight which all together (runway/flying) should be
under 2.  This was March 21/22 1992.

	It did also give us the enjoyable experience of landing at
Washington National at 4:10am on a Sunday.  National is usually closed
between the hours of 11pm and 6 (or 7?) AM.

					Gregory Watson
					gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons, longest flight
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 02:32:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.200615.4951@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>In article <rsimdINNb0i@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:

>>Another note:  Continental is the "sister" airline of former Eastern.
>>Eastern tried to bust its union members, so some of us have qualms about
>>flying an airline in the same company (or at least have liberal guilt).
>

Eastern is Dead, Dead, Dead.  The union-busting guy who ran them is long
out of the picture (F. Lorenzo).  The union in question at Eastern
(the machinist union) was run by neanderthals and deserved to have its
butt kicked anyway.

Nothing here that anyone's conscience (liberal or otherwise) need fret
over.

RNA