HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Supra 14.4K ROM updates
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:21:30 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

benjamin@cs.UAlberta.CA (Ferreira Benjamin S) writes:

> When the heck is supra going to start shipping the new ROM's to their 
> registered modem owners that are NOT sysops??  I've been waiting for months
> now and have received nothing, while my sysop friend got his in Sept.

You *must* *must* *must* *Must* either send back your card to supra, or call
their BBS and place your order there.  They _will_NOT_ automatically ship
you the new roms... you have to ask for them.

Supra's BBS # is 1-503-9672444

	-steve

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Subject: RTS on a 2232/DLG ftp sites
Reply-To: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:32:09 GMT

Keywords: 
Has anyone noticed any problems with the A2232 card dropping RTS, and forgetting
to raise it?  This seems to happen during a blasts of ASCII (message uploads).
RTS will drop, but never come back up.  Power cycling the modem does nothing.
Launching another pgm that raises RTS will "reset" it.  At 1st I thought this
was a Xenolink problem (no disrespect intended), but it does it under DLG as
well.  I've 2 ports running locked at 19200, and this is the only problem the
2232 gives me.  Please, no messages suggesting I buy a new card, I'm not
looking for one, I like my 2232.  This is running on a 3000 under 2.04 using
the drivers that came on the WorkBench disks.

And since I'm too lazy to post a new article...

Anyone now of any good ftp sites for DLG utils, doors, etc?
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Peace, n.:
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	periods of fighting.
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From: jimdawson@cup.portal.com (Jim R Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Is there a future for CED Pro?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:01:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Does anyone know if ASDG has any future plans for CED? (such as an update
to take advantage of KS37+ features) Or are they going to abandon all of
us loyal CED users?

                                            jimdawson@cup.portal.com
From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Has JRComm 2.0 been released yet.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:58:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

No, not yet, but probably soon.  I am beta testing it and it is getting
harder and harder to find problems for Jack to fix...:)
From: G_THOMAS@unhh.unh.edu (Gabe Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: VT340 and X-Windows
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:54:39 GMT
Organization: Not very often...
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unhh.unh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.12

In <1992Nov10.132626.4420@odin.diku.dk> kensaga@diku.dk writes:

> ekrieger@quasar.hacktic.nl (Eric Krieger) writes:
> 
> >And i also want to know, if there's a X-Windows emulator/package for
> >the Amiga?
> >Both must be connected to a Dec-system.
> 
> There is some packages produced by a company called Syndesis, they can
> connect to DEC-systems, and offer x11 I think, if you want to know more
> drop me an email, and I`ll fid the brochures.
> 

Syndesis offers a package called TSSnet which allows the Amiga to connect to
a DECnet network over a serial/modem link or Ethernet.  TSSnet supports X11
through a separate package available from GFXbase.

-Gabe Thomas
From: mark@legend.akron.oh.us (Mark E Daniel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: How to speed dial from JR-Comm?
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:35:52 GMT
Reply-To: mark@legend.akron.oh.us
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Organization: The Legend BBS Public Access (216)825-2747

In article <Bx5sKs.KIy@unccsun.uncc.edu> jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard) writes:
>
> In article 12566@hq.hq.af.mil, snolan@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Scott D Nolan) writes:
> this is the fastest the modem (or the phonelines!) can go when dialing, and works
> fairly well if you ask me!   :)

I can get 40 in my DMS....  That's pretty fast!  And they say 50 min.
But 35-39 works with errors every now and then.

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Internet: mark@legend.akron.oh.us   UUCP: Yes, why?
"I know someday you'll have a beautiful life/You'll be the sun in somebody
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From: fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re:   PARNET and assigns...
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:53:15 EST
Organization: Fabbian G. Dufoe, III

In article <1992Nov6.034234.28137@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwhelan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ryan A. Whelan) writes:
>In article <fgd3.02kn@nifty.UUCP> fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct27.125949.22441@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> keithc@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Keith Christopher) writes:
>>>You can't hook a 2500 to a 386 with parnet can you ?
>>
>>   Nice try. :)
>>
>>   No, you can't.  ParNet is an Amiga executable and won't run on a 386.
>
> heh heh, aso a nice try.  ParNet also defines a Link Protocol which
>can be written on the 386, then you could run both executables on there
>respective platforms.  However, you WONT find ME writting ANYTHING
>on a 386 (or any intel chip for that matter)

   Well, the question was a little ambiguous.  Does "with parnet" mean "with
ParNet alone" or "with ParNet and some compatible software for the 386"?
You can't connect an Amiga to a 386 with ParNet alone.  Of course you can
connect any two computers with networking software (and hardware) which they
both understand.  Fer F.de Jong (fer@home.cern.ch) wrote me that "there is
a PARNET version for SM-DOS running machines."  (Ask him why he wrote
"SM-DOS" instead of "MS-DOS".)  He said he believed the program was
commercial but didn't offer any further information about it.

   Connecting two Amigas with ParNet is neat.  Each machine gets a "Network"
disk icon and with a little fiddling around the disks on the remote machine
appear as drawer icons in "Network".  You can do anything to the files on
the remote machine that you can do to those on the local machine, using
either the Workbench or CLI.

   The limitations of MS-DOS would make it hard to provide full ParNet
functionality, I think.  How would you handle ".info" files?  How would you
deal with long filenames?  What would you do with executable files?

   If you were willing to accept the filename limitations of MS-DOS and just
wanted to share files ParNet and a compatible handler on the MS-DOS side
could work.  

--Fabbian G. Dufoe, III
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Subject: Re: Xenolink is still alive?
Reply-To: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:20:06 GMT

In article <17383@mindlink.bc.ca>, Terry_Palfrey@mindlink.bc.ca (Terry Palfrey) writes:

>   BBS Name: The Bloom Beacon
>   Location: Johnston, RI  USA
>     Fido #: 1:323   Phone #: 401-751-3831 401-751-6568
>      SysOp: Mark Montminy
> Baud14.4k - Dual Standard

>Calling any of them gives an adequate presentation of the software's
>capabilities.

This one's not a good choice for displaying Xeno's capabilities.  It looks
amazingly similar to a DLG system....

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Peace, n.:
	In international affairs, a period of cheating between two
	periods of fighting.
		-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BAUD != BPS
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 18:26:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct29.215056.9913@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> <68917@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Nov5.165246.19995@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>

>]> How long could NCR stay in business if technical terms were allowed to mean
>]> anything you want?  Probably not very long - especially when things would
>]> begin to blow up as they were plugged in. ;-)
>
>(a)  This is where I resume the thread left off above.
>(b)  Ever hear of the "standard disclaimer?"
Yes, though I can't imagine why you're asking.  ?0^0?

>(c)  You just proved my point, in a way.  Imagine if you will the effect on
>     this conversation if everyone on the net jumped down your throat for
>         failing to remember that "opinions expressed are mine and not those o
f
>     my employer?"
Again, I don't see what this means.  It has nothing to do with BPS vs. BAUD.

My point above really has NOTHING to do with NCR as it is now but only as an
analogy.  It points out the fact that terminology must stay within certain
bounds of accuracy to keep from producing chaos (ie. products that blow up).

>It would be petty and beneath the majority of folks I know OUTSIDE of the nets
.
>IN the nets, of course, this sort of oneupsmanship is par for the course and
>I wouldn't be suprised if you DID receive a few nastygrams over the issue.

Sorry to disappoint you.  Nasties = 0.  Goodies = 2.

>Now, to IGNORE that digression, let me just say that your own comments in
>paragraph 2 apply to the situation.

Surely.  The digression was yours, not mine.  I said nothing negative about
NCR, only used the name as an example relating to BPS vs.  BAUD, a fine
example for sure.

>I freely admit it.  I'm a snob.  I detest people who will try to exploit
>something irrelevant in an attempt to weasel out of a debate they are losing.

And your entire post was irrelevant to the usage of BPS vs. BAUD.  I hope
you truly don't detest yourself.  That's not healthy. ;-)

>Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]        * fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
>NCR -- Torrey Pines Development Center * jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
> With all the trust we put in the wisdom of economists, has anyone noticed:
>::::::::::::::::::::::  There ARE no rich economists!?!?  ::::::::::::::::::::
:
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hahaha. Excellent quote.  Did you hear it somewhere or is it your own?  Love it
!!

-Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: looking for amiga BBS that uses a WorldBlazer
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:14:35


I'd like to try out my A3000+WorldBlazer with an amiga-based bbs using
a WorldBlazer.  Anybody know of any?  Please email, thanks.

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                     '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWOA, AMA, ACLU
                                "HotHead Rules!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Supra 14.4K ROM updates
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:08:57 GMT

benjamin@cs.UAlberta.CA (Ferreira Benjamin S) publicly declared:
>When the heck is supra going to start shipping the new ROM's to their 
>registered modem owners that are NOT sysops??  I've been waiting for months
>now and have received nothing, while my sysop friend got his in Sept.

I got mine back in September (maybe early October), and I'm not a sysop.

They don't automatically send you the ROMs.  You have to request them.
You can do so through their BBS.

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From: dale@ntg.com (Dale Luck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Help! connecting Amiga to a network (DNET?)
Keywords: DNet network serial
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:48:07 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In 07@ncar.ucar.edu> rsc@hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell) writes:
>I'm planning to connect my A1000 to my network at work via serial connection.
>Can anyone give me suggestions/hints/tips on how to do it?  What are the
>capabilities.  I understand that someone has an Xwindows program for Workbench,

Yes we do have X11R4 running under AmigaDOS. You will need a minimum of
1M of memory to support 1 bitplane display and networking.


>To sum up:  what can I do on an A1000 running DNet (or other) over a serial line
>connected to a network (of Suns)?

With the the Commodore AS225 plus the beta cslip software you can
get your Amiga connected to the oterh suns on your network (assuming
one of them is running slip/cslip also) and nfs mount, telnet, ftp, 
and also connect to X11 clients on the sun with the X11R4 package.
You need to run minimum of 9600 baud for reasonable throughput.

Dale Luck
GfxBase

># rcampbell@cudnvr.denver.     #                   - what "Coca-Cola" #
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,de.comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Holger.Lubitz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Holger Lubitz)
Subject: Term 2.4a now available for ftp
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:12:56 GMT

I just put Term 2.4a on our ftp server ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de
(134.106.1.9) in the directory /pub/amiga/term.

Also new are MandelSquare 1.06 and PInfocom 3.0 (both
in ../OtherOlsenStuff).

Have fun, 
Holger
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cqn1676@tamsun.tamu.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Subject: Hey Olaf!
Summary: Term questions...
Keywords: Term, '030, Term 2.4, questions
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:08:12 GMT

I remember seeing this question asked previously but I don't know if it was
ever answered.  What are the benefits of running the '030 version of Term?
I was using the '030 version but erased it because I thought it was the
cause of my file transfer problems.  I'm still having those problems but I
digress...  I decided to start using a larger font on my screen and of
course, noticed the output was a little slower.  Will this improve if I
switch back to the '030?  I would try it myself but I accidentally erased
my distribution disks and I'd rather know now then go to the trouble of
d/l-ing those files to disk on campus.

Next question... what determines whether a font is usable as systems text
or screen text?  I've noticed that when I try to change systems, icon, and
screen text on WB, not all fonts are available for the different types of
text.  I've found this is true with Term also.  I was surprised (and happy)
to find that you changed the kerning (correct term?) for the fonts so that
the text would line up but I've found that there are some discrepencies
between font sizes.  I'm using the LetterGothic font as my screen text for
Term (I'd prefer Times but it won't let me and I erased most of the fonts
from my HD so as not to clutter it up with things that I would never use)
and I'm trying to find the best size that would use the entire screen, let
me keep my interlaced screen and still be legible.  I tried a point size of
17 but that proved too small (the characters were too tight).  The next
size of 18 is perfect column-wise but too long row-wise.  I've noticed that
the line spacing is pretty far apart.  The slider on the terminal setting
will not let me select a size of 24 lines (it uses max).  I even used a
smaller status line but that only gave me an extra line.  I really don't
want to go back to the regular topaz font 'cause it looks like crap
non-interlaced but only takes up half the screen interlaced.

-Dr. Strangelove

PS... I still think Term's the best comm out there and have yet had it
crash or had any problems with it that weren't my fault.  I think my
transfer problems are somehow linked to my setup/hardware 'cause I've had
the same problem with JR-Comm (I had to really dig thru my disks to find
it).  But I don't understand how it could be my setup/hardware.  I've tried
booting off a no-frills WB disk with no background programs but that still
didn't help.  And all the settings/hardware setup I'm using now worked
several months ago. This is not a serious problem for me right now since I
can dump files onto a dos disk at work but there have been times when I
wanted a small file while I was at home.  I will try de-Imploding Term to
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 19:48:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bx7rqx.M9z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
  <1992Nov5.143240.17188@tronsbox.xei.com> <Bx9B5J.9B0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

>>       Commercial services ASK for your phone number when you sign up,
>>remember?  GEnie and QuantumLink both called me to tell me my account was
>>active!  IE, they already KNOW your phone number and don't need Caller ID to
>>find it.
>
>Read the fine print.  That's OPTIONAL information.  Magazines compile lists.
>Mail order companies compile lists.  Online services compile lists.  Then
>they SELL these lists to those "professional" marketers.

Optional?  I'd be highly surprised if any commercial bbs lets people use
their system without so much as an address and phone number.  The fact that
they get paid, via interbank transaction, check, or credit card means they
ALREADY have all the info on you they need to sell lists.  Though I can
ALMOST accept one or two other complaints of caller id (like cost), this
complaint is totally unfounded and useless.

I do agree though that the other poster should not be calling names instead
of talking peacably.

>Again, the last thing I want is a flame war.  A discussion of the merits
>and faults of caller ID (almost) belongs in c.s.a.datacom.  A flamewar
>belongs in c.s.a.advocacy.

True, datacom is where it belongs.  If I could move it there with my posting
software, I would.  I know I'll not waste ANY more room here with it.

>--Jason Balicki
>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu


-Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rwhelan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ryan A. Whelan)
Subject: Re:  PARNET and assigns...
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:42:34 GMT

In article <fgd3.02kn@nifty.UUCP> fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:
>In article <1992Oct27.125949.22441@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> keithc@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Keith Christopher) writes:
>>You can't hook a 2500 to a 386 with parnet can you ?
>
>   Nice try. :)
>
>   No, you can't.  ParNet is an Amiga executable and won't run on a 386.

 heh heh, aso a nice try.  ParNet also defines a Link Protocol which
can be written on the 386, then you could run both executables on there
respective platforms.  However, you WONT find ME writting ANYTHING
on a 386 (or any intel chip for that matter)

-- 
Ryan A. Whelan                      "Repetition does not establish validity."
rwhelan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu                                         - Souder's Law
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: tomf@techbook.com (Thomas E. Flynn)
Subject: Serial errors during disk write with TERM 2.2b
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:12:51 GMT

I'm getting receive errors, downloading or just reading text, whenever
there is a disk write during data receive.  It's not so bad when
I'm downloading, since it will repeat, but when it's receiving text,
and it does a buffer save, it misses part of the text.

Is there a fix for this?

Configuration:  A500 Rev 5
		AdSpeed
		SupraDrive with 40 Meg Drive
		SupraFaxModem 14.4K
		BaudBandit.device (also tried with serial.device)
		Term 2.2b (I tried 2.4, but it totally freaks out!)


Thanks!

-Tom


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cazabon@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Charles Cazabon (186-003-526))
Subject: Re: Hey Olaf! 2.4a Upgrade option.  Me Too!  Great idea.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 09:11:42 GMT
Distribution: World 
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1992Nov8.012907.22382@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes:
>Olaf,
>If the support files (XPR.libraries, fonts, CPUBlit, XEM.libraries, etc..)   
>have not changed from 2.4 to 2.4a, could you possibly offer an upgrade option
>for the Term 2.4 owners.  Just put the 68000 and 68030 versions in an archive
>and put that up on FTP.  Would save me a lot of time if I didn't have to
>download 900,000 bytes of stuff I already have.
>
>Jeff

I agree with this.  For those of us who can't connect to our home sites
at greater than 2400 bps, this would be fantastic.  Not to mention that
just getting it from an anonymous FTP site can take a lot of time as well.

Does this release change anything in the XPRs that might fix what I have
found to be a bug?  I don't know if it is a problem with the xprzmodem
library, or Term, or what, but when downloading large archives, sometimes
the largest (or more than one very large) files in the archive are corrupted
while other files remain intact.


--Chuck Cazabon, cazabon@hercules.uregina.ca
* alternate address:  cazabon@meena.cc.uregina.ca
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