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From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,sqnt.public.msgs,pnw.forsale,misc.wanted,misc.forsale.wanted
Subject: ***WANTED***
Summary: Horse Trailer Wanted!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:38:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct16.183830.8463
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.



                     *********W A N T E D*********

My Mom (Thanks, Mom!) has given me $3000 cash to purchase a horse
trailer of my own.  I now co-own one, but it's just not what I
want.  I figure with winter coming up and all, and with Fair over
and kids going off to college and whatnot, that SOMEONE's got the
trailer I want, sitting out in their barn or back yard.

Here's the particulars that I'm looking for:

2 horse, either slant or straight load.  (Or small 3 horse.)
Dressing/Tack area.  I really need a dressing room, because
        I show in the winter alot.
Fully enclosed.  I don't want Hank getting wet from the rain!
        I have this problem now with the trailer I co-own.
NO RAMP!
Ball type hitch.  I have a frame hitch with a receiver.  2".

PLEASE I need this in ready to go condition.  Nothing that needs
a floor, tires, brakes, paint, etc.  I know I won't get perfection
at this price, but there is a happy medium.

I am willing to travel in a 3 hour radius (one way) from the
Portland, Oregon area.  Oregon or Washington.

DON'T send me on a wild goose chase, please!  If you have a trailer
you THINK I might want, but it's alittle rough or needs some MINOR
cosmetic or mechanical work, call me and HONESTLY describe the
trailer over the phone.  In other words, I don't want to drive 3
hours one way to see a piece of sh*t trailer.  :*)

My home phone is 503-283-5699.  The recorder is on if Larry and I
aren't at home or we're busy doing house-type chores, so feel free to
leave a message. I will get back to you during the evening before
9:30 p.m.  (My bedtime!)  :*)

Thank you for your time!

Megan, Larry, Clyde, Edgar and Hank, The WONDER HORSE!
From: trudy@vcd.hp.com (Trudy Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bot Fly Eggs
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.Bw6LCA.G5J
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

After spending over an hour last weekend scraping bot fly eggs off my horse,
I was wondering if anyone had a really good way to do this.  I have a bot
fly scraping knife, but it seems to be good only for the first 75% of the
eggs.

Thanks,

Trudy and Jake (who doesn't care if he as bot fly eggs all over his legs,
as long as he gets to eat while I try to scrape them off )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Bot Fly Eggs
Followup-To: Bot Fly Eggs
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:48:18 GMT

In article <Bw6LCA.G5J@vcd.hp.com>, trudy@vcd.hp.com (Trudy Benjamin) writes:
|> After spending over an hour last weekend scraping bot fly eggs off my horse,
|> I was wondering if anyone had a really good way to do this.  I have a bot
|> fly scraping knife, but it seems to be good only for the first 75% of the
|> eggs.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> Trudy and Jake (who doesn't care if he as bot fly eggs all over his legs,
|> as long as he gets to eat while I try to scrape them off )

This year I alternated worming with Strongid and Ivermectin about
every other month, and my horses had no bot eggs (zip, nada!).
One of my neighbors had the same to report.  

I've never had much luck with the bot knives, but I've heard there is a 
grooming block (pumice-like but I don't think that's what it's made of) that 
is supposed to work well.

Mary Lee
Ravenswood Apps
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Slaughter Houses (LONG)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:16:31 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Oct7.143622.27327@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims) writes:
>
>The workman then shoots a "bolt" into the horse's brain.
>The bolt is a steel pin powered by a pneumatic gun.  Dick

It would of course be more humane to use a lethal injection of
anesthetic.  Does anyone know why they don't do that?  Is it because
of the expense, or does the drug make the meat worthless?  This
question extends to the slaughter of any animal for meat.

Sarah Pallas


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Sentimentality at it's best or worst
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:01:20 GMT


Wendy Milner writes:
         Re: Sentimentality at its worst (or best)

In rec.equestrian, GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
   Now the hard question.  I do not want to start any flame wars but if I have
   to put her down, do I have the vet do it or do I sell her to the meat
   market and get some money out of her.  I know this sounds cold and I really
   agonize over it.  I hear horrible stories of how horses are treated on their
   way to the meat market, then I hear other people say the horrible stories are
   just rumors and horses are not treated that way.  How do you know?


It depends on where you sell your horse.  If you go to an auction, you
have no idea what will happen to your horse.  If you go directly to the
meat market, where they process the meat locally, you can almost be
assured that the horse will not be transported.  It is in the transportation
that the horses are treated cruely.  Image the horses being packed into
a cattle truck, stuffed in, then hauled cross country with no food or water.
Many die on the way.

On the other hand, if you go to the meat market, the horses are put into
a corral, with food and water, and killed as soon as they can be.

Personally, for the pennies per pound you get, I'd just as soon have the
horse put down by the vet.  It's hard to watch.  But at least you know
your friend went without suffering.

Wendy

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Wendy,

Regarding the statement above, are you sure that was my quote or
taken from another article that had my heading at the top?  I don't
quite remember saying that.

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: wormers and slaughter
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:24:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.030033.14391@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>I can't imagine there is any way they can check if a h orse has had
>any medicine or wormers before it is slaughtered.  For instance, I
>could hypothetically worm my horse, take it to an Auction where it
>is bought by a meat man, then 4 days later the horse is in Texas at
>the
>Slaughterhouse being killed.  I just can't see there is any way to
>enforce this or even check it out.
>
>(This is not to mean that I support slaughterhouses)
>
>Karen


  Thats a good point. A lot of cattle farmers make a living raising
cattle that are pure, and they are reconized by the U.S.D.A.
However horses that are sent to Auctions and bought by slaughter houses
have no idea what diseases the horses have or if any drug of any sort
has been administered. Theres just no history on them. I dont eat horse
meat as alot of people in this country don't, therfore I can do without
horse slaughter ( IMO ). 

                     Pam Blythe
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Al Khamsa
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:32:20 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Al Khamsa
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:28:55 EST
Organization:  Wright State University

In article <92288.24511.6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 6042230@LMSC5.IS.LM
> Tracy, you could probably help me out here. Some one was asking about Al Khams
> (or Asil) horses. I thought to be concidered Al Khamsa all lines had to trace
> back to desert bred stock. These horses were selectively bred by the Bedouins.
> Am I on the right track?
>
> Donna Ferreira

Yes, Donna, you are correct.  In fact, I am considering breeding Quality to
a really gorgeous old Babson stallion named Fadl Starr.  He's Asil, Al Khamsa,
and BLACK.  I won't get a black foal since black is recessive but I should
get a baby that carries black genes, and if I am lucky enough to get a filly,
some day I *might* have my own Black Stallion.

Sue

< This may be a dumb question but I'll ask it anyway: Don't all purebred
< Arabian horses trace back to the desert? I mean, unless some horses are
< crossed with another breed, don't all purebred Arabians trace back to
< the desert? This is really not meant to doubt anyone, it's just a question
< I have. Maybe Al Khamsa needs to be explained to me a little better.
< It seems to be used with straight Egyptians only. Why is that? Any
< answers would be greatly appreciated.
< Oh, by the way, I booked my mare for next spring to a black stallion also.
< He is an Alladin (sp?) great-grandson. He is 15.3 hh and is three years old.
< He has Morafic on his dam's side. He is very correct and is absolutely
< beautiful.

< Thanks in advance
< Donna Ferreira
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Slaughter Houses (LONG)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:36:00 GMT

In article <L4P74TF@math.fu-berlin.de>,
ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring) writes:
>I just started reading the news here, so please don't flame me in case
>my remarks seem out of place.
>
>So, my question is:  why are people so shocked when they hear about
>horses being slaughtered, but don't give a damn about exactly the same
>thing happening to other animals?  What's the difference between the
>killing of *any* horse and the killing of any cattle?

I agree with this absolutely. It's odd to me that some animals are
thought of as 'made for human consumption' and therefore afforded
not one ounce of compassion, while others are thought of as far
above that kind of treatment.  Animal is animal, meat is meat.  Why
are horses different from sheep?  Cows?  Pigs?  Deer?  Bunnies?
Ducks?  Chickens?

=gwyn

ps: I personally am not in favor of slaughtering horses, or any
other animal, en masse and without compassion. It just seems
hypocritical to eat ANY kind of meat unless you're willing to face
the reality behind what's going on. It's the kind of thing that
keeps one vegetarian, without regrets.
From: clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Chronic Sporadic Lameness Revisited
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:16:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Distribution: na
Keywords: ring bone again

>could we start a discussion of Appys and ring bone - more prone than others?
>also in depth definition of ring bone including wives tales?

Excellent idea.  I've got an American Saddlebred mare with ringbone,
which has caused her to be mostly-retired (I jump on her bareback some
for about 5 minutes if she's having a good day).  I think this was
caused by an injury, ringbone set in after she pulled something pretty
bad.  I know this is vague, but I didn't have her when it happened.
I've heard through the grapevine that ringbone can be hereditary, so this
thing about maybe Appys being prone to it interests me.  I hope it isn't
heredity in all cases, I sure don't want my mare's daughter to have it.

My mare's symptoms suggest that ringbone can act somewhat like arthritis,
meaning that the weather can affect whether your horse has a "good" or
"bad" day, and exercise doesn't seem to affect it much, once the
bones have fused.  Just an observation.

-Michelle
From: v086q2r6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Krista J Gantz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Al Khamsa
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92289.25016.6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes...
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Path: iscnvx!kronos.arc.nasa.gov!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.o
>From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
>Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
>Subject: Re: Al Khamsa
>Message-ID: <1992Oct14.192855.4807@desire.wright.edu>
>Date: 14 Oct 92 19:28:55 EST
>References: <92288.24511.6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
>Organization:  Wright State University
>Lines: 15
> 
>In article <92288.24511.6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 6042230@LMSC5.IS.LM
>> Tracy, you could probably help me out here. Some one was asking about Al Khams
>> (or Asil) horses. I thought to be concidered Al Khamsa all lines had to trace
>> back to desert bred stock. These horses were selectively bred by the Bedouins.
>> Am I on the right track?
>>
>> Donna Ferreira
> 
>Yes, Donna, you are correct.  In fact, I am considering breeding Quality to
>a really gorgeous old Babson stallion named Fadl Starr.  He's Asil, Al Khamsa,
>and BLACK.  I won't get a black foal since black is recessive but I should
>get a baby that carries black genes, and if I am lucky enough to get a filly,
>some day I *might* have my own Black Stallion.
> 
>Sue
> 
>< This may be a dumb question but I'll ask it anyway: Don't all purebred
>< Arabian horses trace back to the desert? I mean, unless some horses are
>< crossed with another breed, don't all purebred Arabians trace back to
>< the desert? This is really not meant to doubt anyone, it's just a question
>< I have. Maybe Al Khamsa needs to be explained to me a little better.
>< It seems to be used with straight Egyptians only. Why is that? Any
>< answers would be greatly appreciated.
>< Oh, by the way, I booked my mare for next spring to a black stallion also.
>< He is an Alladin (sp?) great-grandson. He is 15.3 hh and is three years old.
>< He has Morafic on his dam's side. He is very correct and is absolutely
>< beautiful.
> 
>< Thanks in advance                      >< Donna Ferreira


Donna,
    My name is krista and what I can tell you about Al Khamsa is this. When
some breeders brought over the first arabians they crossed them with other
types of horses. At the time this did not make them "not pure bred". Some
of this was also done in secret. Al Khamsa horses can trace their blood
straight back to their desert ancestors. Please note. Believe it or not
their ARE MOrafic SONS!!!! still out their.(Not with the expensive breeders
either.) I know because for a while I leased one. If you can find one
breed to him. Their old and wont be around much longer. 
                                           krista
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Monty's address?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:49:38 GMT

I'm trying to e-mail to you and it's bouncing...any suggestions as
to what's going wrong? I'd rather not clutter the net with our
discussions on topics other than horses, so if you could send me
your correct address that would be great.

=gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu

ps: sorry for the personal post
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Animal Rights bashing
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:51:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.201317.24883@cascade.Stanford.EDU>,
king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>(Sarah Pallas) writes:
>>
>>When you say you support animal RIGHTS, that means you support at
>>least the platform, and I might assume it means you support the
>>violent means of obtaining the goals of the platform.  In that case, I
>>have no respect for your opinion, as it means disrespect for human
>>life.
>
>        Whoa!  The word "rights" has different meanings to
>        different people.  Instead of assuming you (everyone)
>        know what people "mean" by a particular buzzword,
>        try to listen to what they're saying.
>
>        My too sense,   :^)
>        Robin
>

Agreed. How many meanings exist for the following words:

-feminist
-conservative
-liberal
-government
-diversity

etc., etc., etc.

I think it's a dangerous thing, to assume that someone supports an
entire agenda when they use a word that is otherwise just a word.
Did Tracy say, "I support Animal Rights as defined by...." or did
she just say "animal rights"? Not to mention the fact that you're
assuming she'd rather blow up a person than ride a horse. For pete's
sake, SHE'S A RIDER.

=gwyn
From: grass@ulysses.att.com (Judith Grass)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Body clipper advice needed
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:55:51 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs

>
>I have also had my Oster clippers for over 10 yrs and I have had no problem 
>with them.  I have found all of my Oster products to be extremely reliable, 
>and I would buy another pair of Oster clippers if/when mine ever break.
>


I would like to point out that those who are happy with their Oster clippers
bought them over 5 years ago.  About 4 years age they changed the design.  
The older clippers has a better switch.  4 years ago the ones they sold had
a cheap plastic rocker switch.  3 years ago they changed that switch to a rocker
switch with a plastic housing over it (presumably to seal it against
dust and moisture).  I have seen old Oster clippers with a toggle style switch
(metal) and other older ones with a heavy plastic sliding switch.  The
old ones seem to be reliable.  The ones with the plastic rocker
switches aren't.

		-- Judy Grass  (Batting 0 for two in the clipper market)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: CTR brag!
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:07:44 GMT

  Well, I just can't hold it in any longer; I gotta let you all know how
Shogun and I did last weekend!
  Last weekend we went to Allaire, NJ for thier 30 mile competitive trail
ride.  (We = shogun, me, my friend and her horse).  We got there around
8:30 or nine and set up our horses' pickets and our camp and had a pleasant
evening.  Vetting in was in the morning, and hectic as usual.  Then our ride 
times were announced, and I didn't have enough time to warm up Shogun, we
were on our way!
   We started out easy, in light of the no warm-up period, but still made
surprisingly good time.  The weather was pleasantly cool, and the horses
didn't get terribly hot, they only needed sponging a few times.  This year,
Shogun started drinking by the half-way point.  (Last year, the water was
so cold that he wouldn't drink till we got back to camp!)  
  I was worried about this ride - I felt we hadn't conditioned enough (we
couldn't get to practice in sand this year) and he had his shoes reset on 
Friday (the ride was on Sunday).  
  Shogun got the Best Half-Arab award!
And we placed second in our division, fourth overall.  There were a lot
of ties; my friend got Champion (first overall), and our scores were only
a half-point different.

   Now I get to worry about our next ride:  Halloween's Jersey Devil! its
a 2-day fifty mile ride, and our first of that length.

                   Rosalie & Shogun
From: hjuenema@orion.cel.scg.hac.com (Heather Juenema)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Truck recomendations wanted
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:53:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Colorado Engineering Labs


 I own a 1986 ford F250 (heavy duty 3/4 ton) with a 460 engine.
It is set up to pull a very heavy trailer and has suceeded in pulling
well over mountain passes. However, I have had several mechanical problems
with this truck that have left me stranded unexpectedly on the side of the 
highway three times now. Once it hit 50,000 miles several things happened
that cost thousands in repairs. The problems I've had have happened to
many other people here in my office that own similar Fords. 

I don't know if the newer Fords are any better (like if they are no 
longer using rubber tierod?? ends) but personally I would never buy another.

Once when it died on the interstate and I had to have it towed to the dealer,
without looking at the truck and just being told it had 50,000 miles on it,
they told me what the problem was - its a part that only lasts that long in
Ford trucks I was told.

It would have been a serious situation had I ever got stranded pulling up
the side of some mountain with a trailer full of horses!

Heather
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: New Mailing List Announcement
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 05:21:53 GMT

I'm replying to this message because i seem to have a
weird problem. If I try to create a NEW message in a
newsgroup, it doesn't seem to make it onto the net. If,
however, I REPLY to one it seems to get there. Very
strange. Sorry to get wildly off topic but I just thought
I'd explain why I'm replying to a message and talking
about a completely different subject. 

Now, onto the real subject of my message:

I've tried to post two messages about horse type GIF
files but, apparently, they never appeared so I'm
trying again.

I have scanned two pictures of horses onto the Sun and
made them available viw anonymous ftp. If you would
like to get them; ftp  to  commsun.its.csiro.au
Change to the directory  /staff/jen187

You will see two files in there, 

ozhorse1.gif  - A bay TB poking his tongue out.

ozhorse2.gif  - A friend jumping her Australian Stockhorse
                over a small log.

You can view them either on a PC or with any GIF viewer on
a Sun or whatever. xv running on Open Windows on a SPARC 2
with colour brings them up nicely.

Last weekend I took lots of pictures at the Canberra city
endurance ride and I will be scanning some of these in as well
if they turn out ok.

If you're unable to ftp, e-mail me and I can uuencode them
and send them to you as an e-mail message if you can 
handle that.

Let me know how you go.



-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
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