From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Sarcasm alert... was Re: Why restrict thi (1)
Keywords: truth, justice, the american way, damn commies. what is RIGHT!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:53:46 GMT

In article <Jul31.023924.82803@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sa114984@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Steven Arnold) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.135324.22716@advtech.uswest.com>, stevens@eatdust
>(John Stevens) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul23.010130.204112@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu
>(Susan Garvin) writes:
>> 
>> >I am interested in seeing this option remain for women in the future.
>> 
>> Actually, I never said that I want abortions outlawed.  I said that of
>> the several possible ways to make the situation fairer, outlawing abortions
>> was one possible solution.  And it is most probably the easiest solution
>> to enact.  But it is not the best solution, in my opinion.
>
>	I agree.  The best solution to the abortion question would be for no
>unwanted pregnancies to occur; failing that, for each pregnant woman to
>reject abortion as immoral; failing that, for abortion to be forbidden
>by law while providing as much community support for the woman and her
>unborn child as possible; failing that, for abortion to be illegal,
>period.  Note that the simple outlaw of abortion is the least desirable
>option, but one which should be made anyway to protect the life of the
>unborn child.

Absolutely. The bitch should have known better than to get preo in the first
place (if she had any MORALS that is).  She probably *deserves* to be preganant
anyway. Maybe the zygote she wants to remove will grow up to be an upstanding
descent citizen.

And as far as 'unborn' children go...

"Eeeevery sperm is Saaaaaaaaacred, Eeeeeevery sperm is greeeat. Iiiiiif a sperm
is waaaasted, God gets quite i-rate."

But aint it the truth? Damn straight! Let's kill those bastards who maturbate
for killing all those unborn children!!!

Hey! Let's not forget the women who aren't pregnant the *could* be. *Lots*
of unborn children lost there too.  They should all be lined up and shot
for not being baby factories for the UnBORN.


>	Of course, if option number one were entirely successful, we wouldn't
>need to exercize later options.  But at present, option number one is
>failing miserably.  So is option number two.  Community support for
>women who choose to reject abortion is present, but sporadic, limited
>mostly to small, underfunded pro-life groups who recognize the necessity
>of supporting such women.  What remains but option number four: the
>outlaw of abortion?

Right, heck, I don't expect the state to foot any money for sex education or
birth control or ANY social programs for that matter, which is why I 
voted for George Bush. Under his 'leadership' we won't have *any* social
programs before long.  Which is the way it should be, dammit. If *I* can
make a descent living selling insurance, everybody should be able to.

It may not be cheaper to have thousands of women pushed through the legal
system, jailed and executed for abortions, but hey, that's the way it's
gotta be. Maybe they should be *public* executions, yeah, that's the ticket.


>	Am I for sex education, handing out condoms, etc?  I would be if I
>thought they would reduce unwanted pregnancies.  I am open to proof,
>surveys, expert testimony and other evidence one way or another on this
>score.  Can anybody show that in the majority of places where condoms
>were passed out and sex education taught, that overall unwanted
>pregnancies have decreased?

True. We should give up on that crap. Outlawing abortion is the only way
we're going to stop abortions for sure. No women would have an abortion if
it were illegal.


>> >I am very
>> >grateful that I had the choice at the time.  I would not
>> >be able to look myself in the mirror if I advocated forcing
>> >women to carry every pregnancy to term simply because I
>> >myself am not capable of getting pregnant.  I know that
>> >this doesn't bother some people, but it does bother me.
>
>	Of course.  The fact that you are no longer capable of becoming
>pregnant, tragic as it is, is no reason to outlaw abortion.  Much
>stronger reasons exist. 


Right. Read the bible for an explanation on that.


> Actually, I can't see the relationship between
>the fact that you cannot get pregnant and the outlaw of abortion: to me,
>at least, they seem like two completely unrelated subjects.


Here's a bit of trivia for ya, Steve. A botched abortion is a *wonderful* way
to kill or sterilize a woman. But, then again,  women who get pregnant
in the first place, without intending to, are immoral and irrepsonsible to
begin with, right? They deserve it?






-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Highly Opinionated, Aging  and                      knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Perpetual Student of Chemistry and Physics.
            Write me for an argument on your favorite subject.