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Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 21:57:06 EST
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Well I'm not really sure?
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From: jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:19:32 GMT

Thanks for the lists of "competent women" that have appeared in Trek 
episodes.  I agree some of them have been good "smart/competent role
models" for women:
(1) Nuria (who watches the watchers): a good, stable leader for her people
(2) Mirasta Yale (first contact): intelligent, progressive thinker
(3) Leah Brahms: at first we didn't like her because she was nasty to
    Geordi, but later she turned out OK.  And, obviously a smart engineer.
(4) Guinan, who commands incredible respect in her quiet way.

Other women were smart/gutsy/competent, but the Trek writers managed to
(IMHO) cloud their character:
(1) Ensign Ro: trying to be a Yar replacement?  a strong woman, until
    the episode where they all lost their memories and she spent the
    whole show jumping Riker's bones.
(2) Taurus: the romulan captain.  Sure she was a captain of a ship, but
    remember her ship would have blown up if not for Picard and the
    Enterprise telling her the secret of how to restart their computers
    to get rid of the "virus."  So, she couldn't figure it out herself...
    She also did too much yelling and threatening and acting irrational.
(3) Kaylar: yes she knew how to make Worf tow the line, but, hmmmm, how
    to deal with women who get too aggressive?  Kill them off, of course!
    (that'll show those uppity women!!)

Then I'm undecided about the following:
(1) Shelby could have been a great character; she beat Riker in poker and
    everything.  But for some reason, we just didn't like her.  Was she
    too ambitious?  Would we have liked a man cast in the same role?
(2) Luoxana Troi.  Her whole purpose in life is to find a husband.  But
    she turned out pretty sharp when she had to deal with the Ferengi.  And
    she refused to knuckle under to wearing that awful wedding dress when
    her custom dictated she go naked...
(3) Sela.  She is a commander with lots of power in the Romulan government.
    But she also seems to be a puppet just spouting standard rhetoric and
    not thinking of anything original.

I was also reminded of the "Amazon Planet" ruled by women, I think the
episode was "Angel One."  But NOOOOOO, I don't think any women would want
to choose those Amazons as role models.  Especially the one that seduced
Riker after dressing him up in that toga... *gag*

Anyway... thanks for the help with this!  It's fun to go back and dig
through the old episodes!

- Jennifer

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From: ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles)
Subject: Re: What is DS9 going to be about? Any details known?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:30:26 GMT

In <cboerm48.724351790@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>>Charter Member #000001 of the INFJ Club.
>>Send me e-mail if you'd like your own *PERSONAL* number (what more would an
>>NF want!).  Only proven INFJ's, or those wishing to be, need apply.  :^)
>What the heck is INFJ?
That is one of the personality types of the Myers-Briggs Personality Inventory.
The I stands for Introversion, the N stands for iNtuition, the F stands for
Feeling, and the J stands for Judging.  So he's an introverted, intuitive,
feeling, judging type.
I myself am an INFP. But nobody really cares about that.
In the immortal words of Deanna Troi, "Glad I could help."
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:33:28 GMT
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In article <1992Dec14.081550.748@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
>Any chance we can get Channel 56 to stop ruining the TNG episodes with their  
>stupid annoying logo?
>
>I hope they don't do this to the DS9 episodes.

Better get used to this, more and more stations are doing this.  I see little
likelihood that they will stop, as this is a "gift" to VCR jockeys to make
sure the source of a recording is known.  I suspect it is intended to help
in the war against video piracy.  No one will mistake a recording with one
of these bottom corner logos for a legitimate release, no matter how adeptly
the commercials are excised.

Yeah, it's annoying, and IMO the Ch 56 logo is more obnoxiously prominent
than many others.  On the other hand, Ch 56 *is* going stereo now, so at
least we'll have good quality audio.

Anyone know whether WCVB (Channel 5) is planning on carrying DS9?


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From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
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Subject: replys
Date: 21 Dec 1992 05:09:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Excuse me, but when replying to a message, could people please do those
of us with 1200 buad modems (yes, they still exist) a favor and not
include the entire text of the message you're replying to?  

	Thanks...


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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:13:09 GMT

Brad Barton writes
> Because the first step in emotional healing is admitting it to 
> yourself.[...]

Then why can't she ask questions centered around what she knows via  
reading her patients?  And if she can do that, or in fact does do that,  
how does that conclude in that she shouldn't wear a starfleet uniform?

However, this is getting away from the theme of this thread: Troi's  
uniform and it's place in her job.  To which I'd like to add that I  
still think it's a bad idea for her not to be in uniform because I  
don't think that the counselor's sexuality is in any way something  
worth promoting in counsel.

Also, were she to be counseling a patient who has problems with their  
sex life, that could be a very bad situation should she continue to  
dress provocatively.  Simply put, it's not her job to titillate the  
patients.

Lastly, I believe it speaks badly for her character.  By wearing her  
non-uniform attire, I get the feeling the producers (or whomever is  
responsible for her wearing what she usually does) are saying that the  
only way someone can communicate with her professionally is if she is  
not dressed as every other woman on the ship is, or if she is not fully  
dressed.
-- 
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,ne.general
Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:45:52 GMT
	<71791@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec16.171559.19394@burrhus.harvard.edu>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

So, for us ne.general readers:
  What's DS9? An exciting new tv science fiction show, I take it?
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:57:06 GMT
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous

In article <cboerm48.724870926@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
:If she's not a military crew member, why does she have a rank? Why can she
:command the ship? 

Same reason that chaplains and schoolteachers do in army bases abroad: to
formalise their position in the social hierarchy.

G
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:17:16 GMT

In <HEM.92Dec16120711@col400.col400.att.com> hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>   In <1992Dec14.103941.14075@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:

>   >  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
>   >the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
>   >where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
>   >always with American accents! :-)  )

>Remember the episode where Starfleet was infiltrated by the alien
>parasites.  One of the captains of the three ships that met with Picard
>secretly was non-human.

Another in that episode was a black female.

Then there was the USS Intrepid in Classic Star Trek, which had an all-Vulcan
crew, including (one presumes) a Vulcan captain.

Spock was captain of the Enterprise at the start of Star Trek II.

The captain of the Enterprise 1701-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was female.

The captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV was female (and black, if I recall
correctly).

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From: kelsey@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why no brand names on TNG-Why Not?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:18:39 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Dec11.132456.18396@husc3.harvard.edu>, cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec9.000827.14639@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Scottb) writes:
|> >pierce@admiral.uucp (Clinton Pierce) writes:
|> >: >>In article <12NOV92.07515729@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
|> >: >>> 	Here are my explanations for the lack of brand names in TNG:
|> 
|> In "1011011" or whatever was the exact title of the episode with the
|> Binars, when the Enterprise docks at the Starbase, a sort of jetway
|> extends to the Enterprise to allow passengers to exit without
|> shuttlecrafts or transporters.  On the side of this "jetway" are the
|> words "South Corporation" or something to tht effect.
|> At least this is what I remember...
|> Chris

The same label appears in Starbase 133, in "Remember Me".  I do not believe it
is a "company billboard," but instead labels direction in side the closed
structure.  On the opposite side, there will be another sign saying "NORTH".
If you've ever worked in a large hangar or warehouse, this is a common feature
in such places, where it is easy to lose your sense of direction.

In the starbase, of course, calling some wall "SOUTH" is purely arbitrary, but
then so is our choice of labelling magnetic poles :-)

						-- Mike
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near the Tannhauser Gate.  All these memories will be lost in time, like
tears in the rain."  -- Roy Batty
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Cardassians... a threat??? (No SPOILERS please!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:12:45 GMT


Chain of Command Part 1 won't be on in my area until this Saturday. I
tried desperately not to read any CoC posts but read the Paramount
Releases to see what is to happen.

I have one question about the Cardassians. How can the Federation bill
them as a buyable threat. When we first met them, the Phoenix was
destroying everything the Cardassian threw at them. In fact the
Cardassians were able to fire at both the Enterprise and the Phoenix
without doing any serious damage. The Enterprise EASILY disabled their
engines, and the Phoenix was able to destroy it's attacker.

These facts remind me of the episode where everyone lost their memories
and Picard refused to destroy a defenseless command center. Based on the
Phoenix episode (I forget the title), the Cardassian seem only slightly
above these people. Whereas those people had no defenses, the Cardassians
have shields (they do don't they?) which are practically useless, and when
they are lucky enough to catch a Fed starship with shields down, they are
never able to capitalize on it. So here's my questions:

1) Why did the Federation-Cardassian war go on so many years. Yes, I
believed that the truce was just to buy the Cards sometime but the Feds
should have finished them off a long time ago!

2) Does this 2 parter make the Cardassians a real threat or not. Try to
respond with ruining the episode. I know it has something to do with a
powerful new weapon, but could that really make the difference in a new
Fed-Card war?

Thanks in advance.

Alan Bick

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From: tcwang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Tom C Wang)
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Subject: computer voice
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:39:31 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

I just saw a rerun of 1100101(I know I got them mixed up) on the 
Fox channel in DC.  I always thought the computer voice on the Enterprise
was female, but in this episode when the degeneration/and later regeneration
of the magnetic containment field was anounced and when the self-destruct
was engaged ( I guess throughout the whole episode), the computer's
voice was male.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Just curious.
Tom
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:10:41 GMT
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MINOR SPOILERS



>In article <_lm21c+@rpi.edu>, plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:
> There is no GOOD reason for her to be out
> of uniform while on the bridge or on duty.  During counseling sessions
> with patients, a more relaxed uniform may be appropriate but no on the bridge
> or during diplomatic functions.

I don't agree.  A counsellor will be perceived by a patient as intimidating
to the degree of the most intimidating association that patient has with
the counsellor.  Whenever Troi is in uniform, she is associated with an
authority structure, and that association doesn't just go away when she
dons her civvies for a session.

In my opinion, Jellico is undermining her professional standing by his
totally arbitrary order.

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From: smeyer@panix.com (Seth Meyer)
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:06:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> Colleen McGlone writes:
>Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
>A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife ...  I claim
>it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
>Thank You!

Well, Majel Barrett plays Lwaxana Troi.

Then again, since Gene is dead, it would be Gene Roddenbury's widow.

- Seth
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
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Subject: A historical note relevant to CoC (no spoilers)
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:21:34 GMT
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  Ronny Cox plays Capt. Jellicoe (sp) in this and the next ep.  The name
Jellico was familiar to me from somewhere, so I began to root around.  Turns
out that there was and Admiral Sir John Jellico in command of the British
Fleet at the Battle of Jutland in WWI.D The battle was tactically inconclusive,
but considered a strategic victory for Great Britain, as the Royal Navy was
ready to sail again on short notice following the engagement, and the German
fleet needed days and weeks of refitting -- it never sortied out in such
stength for the duration of the war, thus helping ensure the safety of the
English control of the sea, vital for the island nation's supply lines.

  Just a little historical note.  It may be entirely pointless, but I found
it interesting.  Good episode too.


semper fi,

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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: TOS/Uhura
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:38:10 GMT


	I think she wore a yellow uniform in the first two
episodes taped in the regular season, "Corbomite Maneuver" and
"Mudd's Women".

							-Quinn
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:46:06 GMT

Matt <hodge3726@uni.edu> writes
> I'm not saying a woman wouldn't work leading the enterprise in
> their time I'm saying it wouldn't work in our time.

And this logic is exactly what Amy E. Eckert's  
<aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu> excellent response is proving incorrect.   
If it's not going to work in our time, when will it work?  As people  
continue to say "It won't work in our time" time marches forward and  
women continue to be oppressed.  After a sufficient amount of time  
passes, the time depicted in ST:TNG arrives and there are still men  
saying "It won't work in our time" which means that women still  
continue to be oppressed.

Having women as captains is long overdue.  If we don't start having  
women as captains now, they can never be accepted as leaders (repeat  
this sentence until women are accepted as leaders).  Therefore, the  
solution is to have women captains now.  As for ST:TNG and ST:DS9, I  
too vote for women captains as long as they aren't bumbling fools (ala  
Troi when she was "captain-for-a-day" [Sirtis, in a QVC interview,  
talking about Troi's lack of knowledge of basic ship operations when  
Troi was the captain of the ship]).

There's no reason more women shouldn't be good captains of often-seen  
ships in more than a handful of episodes (so far, there's been one (1)  
episode with a woman as captain where she is both seen and heard for  
more than 3 seconds).
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
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Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:50:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec16.225055.18592
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec16.084122.9439@iscsvax.uni.edu> hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu
writes:
>You're all really missing the point here.  Yes, I know there was a female
>captain of the C and she sacrificed herself to fight some Romulans so the
>E could escape.  I'm not saying a woman wouldn't work leading the enterprise in
>their time I'm saying it wouldn't work in our time.  As much as we want to
>admit we are a kinder gentler viewing audience we still enjoy the macho image
>of the SHIPS CAPTAIN.
>
>Matt
>hodge3726@uni.edu

As I interpret your argument, it would not be profitable for Paramount
to have a female captain, since 20th cen. TV viewers wouldn't accept
it.  I must disagree here.  First, television can *change* people's
opinions about the "macho image," much as TOS did in the 60's about
a lot of social issues and "Cagney and Lacey did" a few year ago
with regard to female detectives.  Secondly, I think a female captain
would be profitable a) because trekkies will tune into anything called
"STar Trek" and b) for casual viewers, because of the novelty of the
idea.

Chris
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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Troi's Rank Canonized (*SPOILERS* For CoCPtI)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:42:04 GMT
Keywords: Troi Rank

NOTE Distribution!  I don't need the damn international community flaming me
again for posting spoilers that the poor suckers won't see for five years...


And a second ^L, just for good measure...  Merry Christmas, y'all!


Yes, you can put aside your recurring surveys as to Counselor Troi's rank,
as tonight in "Chain of Command, Part I" we have Ronny Cox explicitly refer
to her as "Lieutenant Commander Deanna Troi".  She also wore three and a half
pips on her regulation uniform...

Yes, I am sorely tempted to flame putting the words "Part I" in the title,
as well as the new captain (can't remember his name.)  Josh Laff will no
doubt post a better summary than I am capable of writing now (If his finals
load tomorrow is lighter than mine, at least.)

I will say this:  Me and the group of friends watching it together in my
room tonight tagged most of Cox's remarks and his exits with various four-
letter epithets...

-- 
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Chain of Command - This week?
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:36:30 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec13.040635.20715@trentu.ca> tchambers@TrentU.CA writes:
<Does anyone know if Chain of Command is really being shown starting this 
<week?  That's what I've heard...yet it was listed as being shown in early 
<January before...

Listings couldn't be changed in time.  The two-parter starts this week.
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