From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:  Yes votes >= 200+2*No Votes
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:33:28 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <id.97RV.ETA@ferranti.com>, peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> There is no correlation between Yes and No. Just because a group is popular
> doesn't mean it should pass against massive opposition. I propose that the
> guidelines be changed:
> 
> 	Y >= 100 (or 200 or whatever you want)
> 	N <= 50 (or 100 or whatever you want)

Under those rules (Y>=100,N<=50), the following 14 (out of 140) groups
which failed under the current guidelines would have passed:

Group name:                               YES   NO DIFF  PCT
===============================================================
soc.culture.europe.central                102   40   62  71.8 F
comp.sys.unisys                           103    9   94  92.0 F
soc.culture.usa.appalachian               104   44   60  70.3 F
rec.sport.football.australian             106   39   67  73.1 F
sci.med.informatics                       112   14   98  88.9 F
rec.autos.hotrodding                      118   44   74  72.8 F
comp.apps*hierarchy                       118   46   72  72.0 F
rec.games.video.home                      118   22   96  84.3 F
rec.music.bluegrass                       119   38   81  75.8 F
talk.politics.aids                        119   43   76  73.5 F
rec.sport.tennis                          119   23   96  83.8 F
misc.legal.family                         126   28   98  81.8 F
soc.culture.native.american               139   40   99  77.7 F
talk.religion.pagan                       141   49   92  74.2 F

and the following 136 (out of 509) which passed under the current
guidelines would have failed. Notice that for several of these groups,
the YES votes were over 90% of the total vote. (Some rec.arts.sf votes
are in the list twice due to the revote).

rec.arts.sf.science                       694  341  353  67.1  
rec.arts.sf.written                       720  338  382  68.1  
misc.activism.general                     756  323  433  70.1  
rec.arts.sf.drwho                         642  300  342  68.2  
rec.arts.sf.tv                            759  295  464  72.0  
rec.arts.sf.misc                          965  269  696  78.2  
rec.arts.sf.fandom                        659  267  392  71.2  
rec.arts.sf.movies                        840  266  574  75.9  
rec.arts.manga                            513  226  287  69.4  
rec.arts.sf.marketplace                   468  225  243  67.5  
rec.arts.sf.science                       557  194  363  74.2  
rec.arts.sf.announce                      918  190  728  82.9  
rec.arts.sf.tv                            593  180  413  76.7  
rec.arts.sf.written                       594  180  414  76.7  
rec.arts.sf.fandom                        537  169  368  76.1  
rec.arts.sf.reviews                       976  160  816  85.9  
misc.forsale.computers.other              325  149  176  68.6  
rec.arts.sf.movies                        648  148  500  81.4  
misc.forsale.computers.workstation        326  148  178  68.8  
rec.arts.poems.urdu                       303  145  158  67.6  
rec.bicycles.rides                        417  145  272  74.2
soc.culture.tamil                         645  143  502  81.9  
rec.bicycles.soc                          423  142  281  74.9  
rec.org.mensa                             308  139  169  68.9  
misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone           344  138  206  71.4  
rec.bicycles.marketplace                  429  138  291  75.7
rec.bicycles.tech                         429  137  292  75.8
misc.forsale.computers.mac                343  137  206  71.5  
misc.forsale.computers.d                  341  133  208  71.9  
rec.bicycles.racing                       436  131  305  76.9
comp.os.linux.announce                    479  131  348  78.5  
rec.bicycles.misc                         439  128  311  77.4  
rec.arts.sf.misc(rename)                  697  127  570  84.6  
rec.music.phish                           566  125  441  81.9  
rec.arts.startrek.misc                    870  121  749  87.8  
rec.arts.startrek.current                 882  118  764  88.2  
rec.arts.startrek.fandom                  861  117  744  88.0  
rec.food.recipes                          233  116  117  66.8  
comp.sys.mac.games                        324  113  211  74.1  
rec.models.railroad                       255  111  144  69.7  
comp.unix.internals                       300  111  189  73.0  
rec.arts.sf.announce                      686  110  576  86.2  
comp.sys.mac.advocacy                     261  106  155  71.1  
comp.sys.mac.comm                         349  104  245  77.0  
comp.sys.next.software                    367  104  263  77.9  
soc.culture.indian.telugu                 388  103  285  79.0  
rec.games.frp.misc                        328  103  225  76.1  
rec.arts.startrek.tech                    906  102  804  89.9  
rec.games.frp.advocacy                    329  100  229  76.7  
rec.aviation.simulators                   261   99  162  72.5  
comp.sys.next.advocacy                    368   99  269  78.8  
sci.skeptic                               245   98  147  71.4  
rec.aviation.military                     263   97  166  73.1  
misc.jobs.offered.entry                   245   97  148  71.6  
soc.culture.asean                         323   96  227  77.1  
comp.sys.mac.wanted                       360   94  266  79.3  
rec.aviation.products                     268   94  174  74.0  
rec.arts.comics.misc                      192   92  100  67.6  
rec.pets.dogs                             192   89  103  68.3  
comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit                  204   89  115  69.6  
rec.aviation.student                      275   88  187  75.8  
rec.arts.sf.reviews(rename)               714   86  628  89.3  
soc.culture.indian.american               194   86  108  69.3  
rec.games.frp.dnd                         357   84  273  81.0  
comp.unix.xenix.sco                       207   83  124  71.4  
comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit                  222   82  140  73.0  
comp.sys.next.marketplace                 390   81  309  82.8  
rec.arts.comics.xbooks                    196   81  115  70.8  
rec.music.industrial                      411   80  331  83.7  
misc.int-property                         213   77  136  73.4  
rec.arts.sf.starwars                      383   77  306  83.3  
comp.sys.mac.apps                         379   76  303  83.3  
rec.games.frp.marketplace                 348   76  272  82.1  
rec.motorcycles.racing                    180   76  104  70.3  
rec.music.funky                           230   75  155  75.4  
comp.unix.osf.osf1                        200   75  125  72.7  
comp.unix.osf.misc                        201   74  127  73.1  
rec.pets.cats                             278   74  204  79.0  
comp.unix.sys3                            183   73  110  71.5  
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32       224   73  151  75.4  
rec.roller-coaster                        184   72  112  71.9  
rec.games.frp.announce                    366   72  294  83.6  
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc        229   72  157  76.1  
comp.sys.atari.st.tech                    183   71  112  72.0  
rec.motorcycles.dirt                      182   71  111  71.9  
soc.culture.pakistan                      365   71  294  83.7  
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy               230   70  160  76.7  
misc.news.southasia                       248   70  178  78.0  
rec.aviation.piloting                     301   70  231  81.1  
rec.games.frp.archives                    357   69  288  83.8  
rec.games.mud.admin                       191   69  122  73.5  
comp.sys.sun.wanted                       662   68  594  90.7  
rec.hunting                               281   68  213  80.5  
rec.aviation.ifr                          291   68  223  81.1  
rec.aviation.owning                       284   67  217  80.9  
rec.humor.oracle.d                        487   67  420  87.9  
soc.culture.taiwan                        380   65  315  85.4  
comp.sys.next.hardware                    411   65  346  86.3  
rec.arts.comics.info                      223   65  158  77.4  
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools       239   64  175  78.9  
misc.health.alternative                   356   64  292  84.8  
rec.games.abstract                        287   64  223  81.8  
rec.games.cyber                           170   63  107  73.0  
comp.unix.large                           320   62  258  83.8  
comp.graphics.opengl                      299   62  237  82.8  
comp.unix.msdos                           284   61  223  82.3  
comp.unix.dos-under-unix                  238   61  177  79.6  
rec.games.mud.tiny                        189   61  128  75.6  
rec.games.mud.diku                        193   60  133  76.3  
rec.aviation.stories                      324   60  264  84.4  
rec.music.indian.misc                     170   60  110  73.9  
talk.rape                                 188   60  128  75.8  
rec.aviation.homebuilt                    291   59  232  83.1  
rec.music.makers.synth                    160   59  101  73.1  
rec.aviation.answers                      320   59  261  84.4  
rec.arts.bodyart                          171   59  112  74.3  
sci.cryonics                              205   58  147  77.9  
talk.politics.animals                     189   58  131  76.5  
soc.culture.usa                           181   58  123  75.7  
rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature         172   57  115  75.1  
comp.unix.sys5.r3                         246   57  189  81.2  
comp.sys.mac.misc                         403   57  346  87.6  
rec.games.mecha                           319   55  264  85.3  
comp.sys.mac.system                       412   55  357  88.2  
comp.sys.mac.ann[mod]                     407   55  352  88.1  
comp.unix.sysv286                         266   54  212  83.1  
comp.sources.reviewed                     270   54  216  83.3  
rec.audio.pro                             200   53  147  79.1  
rec.aviation.misc                         327   53  274  86.1  
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games                     516   52  464  90.8  
soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna                512   52  460  90.8
rec.music.video                           157   52  105  75.1  
comp.unix.misc                            356   52  304  87.3  
soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna                512   52  460  90.8  
soc.bi                                    349   51  298  87.3  
rec.games.mud.misc                        202   51  151  79.8  
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