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From: jca@druwa.ATT.COM (Jill C. Arnson)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: protection from frost
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:52:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

in article <1326@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM>, lll@snow.NSD.3Com.COM (Ly Loi) says:
> Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.nsd.3com.com
> 
> I've got a frost-tender plant that was not meant to be in my zone, 
> thus the plant might die this winter.  Can I save the plant? What are 
> some of the methods to protect plants from the frost?  Thanks.

	You've given very little information.  By 'frost', do you mean the
ground freezes? or the temperaturew drops below 32 degrees once in awhile??

	If the ground freezes, the only way to save it is to dig it up, put it
in a pot and bring it inside for the winter.

--
jill c. arnson		AT&T Bell Labs, Denver; (303)538-4800
jca@druwa.att.com or att!(druco/drutx)!druwa!jca
*** "When you climb high, remember that the beauty you see is only an
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From: mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben)
Subject: Re: yellow scale on azaleas
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:28:31 GMT

In article <Roger.Duvall.3.0@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.162851.23983@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> h66@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (david.b.ramsden) writes:
>>From: h66@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (david.b.ramsden)
>>Subject: yellow scale on azaleas
>>Date: 1 Sep 92 16:28:51 GMT
>>My azaleas have developed a yellow scale-like covering on their
>>leaves.  Anyone know what this is and how to treat it?
>>
>Could the problem be lace-wing insect damage?  The tops of the leaves get 
>light colored spots because the lace-wings are sucking the juice out from 
>beneath.  Check under the leaves for black bits a little smaller than a pin-
>head.  That's a sure sign of lace-wing.  They're more likely to cause 
>trouble if your azaleas get a lot of sun.  Lace-wings aren't too hard to get 
>rid of, but I can't remember now what I've used.  Read some labels.

Damn those common names.  Roger must mean lace BUGS (Hemiptera: Tingidae),
not lace WINGS (Neuroptera: Chrysopidae).  The former are plant feeders
while the latter are predators.

Interesting natural history note: most lacebug damage looks like pale
stippling most densely located around the midvein or other prominant veins.
I've seen this pattern most commonly on chokecherries, asters, and sycamore.
Some spider mite damage shows up as similar stippling, but it tends to be
even over the leaf surface.  When collecting insects in the USA and the
tropics, I grab some Tingids whenever I see that pattern.

Most lacebugs are really unusual looking under magnification.  Well worth
a look.

Mike Huben

"Nothing is more humbling than to look with a strong magnifying glass
at an insect so tiny that the naked eye sees only the barest speck
and to discover that nevertheless it is sculpted and articulated and
striped with the same care and imagination as a zebra.  Apparently it
does not occur to nature whether or not a creature is within our range
of vision, and the suspicion arises that even the zebra was not designed
for our benefit." -- Rudolf Arnheim
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: freezing pesto
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:33:42 GMT

jeert@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Jane Eert) writes:


>In article <1992Sep8.152056.14452@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>|> yes, we've been freezing pesto (without the cheese) for years.
>|> ...

>|>... let the pesto thaw to room temperature, and add the cheese,
>|> and you're ready to go.
>|> 
>> 
>Sorry if this belongs in rec.cooking, but can anyone tell me
>why it is necessary to leave the cheese out?  I've frozen
>pesto complete for a couple of years now and it seems to come out
>pretty well.

I leave the cheese out because with my schedule I usually want to thaw
it out in the microwave.  Unfortunately this tends to cook it a
little.  With cheese in it you get a gooey mess that won't coat your
pasta.

Now for a followup question: Does anyone know how to get the frozen
pesto to keep that wonderful bright green color without adding a lot
of unnatural junk?
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
From: lp@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond)
Subject: Re: Wildflowers to Naturalism
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: rec.gardens
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:00:10 GMT


1. That *is* my name!
2. I didn't note the "I shall not return" section of the blaggart's post.
3. Forgive my benign fasciest tendencies; I *am* educable. :^)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: cheese in frozen pesto?
Followup-To: rec.gardens
Summary: gets bitter?
Organization: osu, lsa, outil, stanford,...
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:15:47 GMT

what i was told, years ago, was that freezing and thawing pesto
with cheese in it tends to make the cheese taste rather bitter.

we've heard from people who don't freeze it with cheese, and from
people who do.  anyone made the comparison, freezing some of a batch
with cheese and some without, and then thawing them out together and
tasting them side-by-side?  (yes, i know, not everything is controlled
for; the *cheese* will be from different batches.)

arnold
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: why bother with corn?!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:42:36 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>>> Me, I gave up growing sweetcorn several years ago.  Why should I dig all 
>>> that ground, plant, water and mulch, when the neighbors with 3 or 4 acres
>>> of sweetcorn are willing to sell me as much as I want for an entire season
>>> for $5?
> here.  I think Kay talks about what she gets out of gardening all the
> time.  I also feel very fortunate that she likes to share her knowledge. 
> Your accusative tone sounds like you believe there are *evil* reasons
> for gardening or something.  Just what are you implying?

Oh *ell.  Got the attributions so mixed up it isn't worth it.  I
took the post to be a "josh" -- for that matter, why do we grow 
anything when we can buy it at the store, buy it at the florist's,
buy it at the ...  Or why sew?  Or can?  Or write?  Seems to me
that these are all outlets of creativity and sources of satisfaction.
No further justification required.

As to teasing, arguing, joking, etc, that's just the style I grew up
with.  My family never discussed anything, we debated, and argued, and
were generally fairly obnoxious. Being teased by my family was a sign
that they *liked* you.  

And you're right, Jim.  I get a big bang out of reading this group,
and occasionally being able to help, and occasionally learning something
new.  And I really enjoy the people I've met here.

Kay 
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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Why are my Angel plants acting like devils?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:02:44 GMT

Hi!  This is my first post to rec.gardens!

My mother has a beautiful Angel plant on her coffeetable at home.  It was  
growing all over the place, so I cut a lot of the perimeter and tried to root  
those cuttings with plant food (this green stuff that keeps reminding you of 7  
drops to the quart!).  Anyway, some cuttings developed roots; some didn't.   
Really longs ones too!  At first I didn't think they would do anything (I kept  
watching them for about two weeks).  Then I ignored them for what seemed like a  
maybe a week and they had these monster roots!  Anyway, I potted them (I had  
three, took two to school with me and left my mother one) and they don't seem  
to be doing anything much ... Gosh, I hope I didn't kill them ...

.. and I don't think it's the plant food.  (WARNING:  A kinda long story  
follows)

I also have some varigated spider plants that a very special friend gave me  
almost two years ago.  Her name was Shirley and she was like my mother at my  
job.  She was about 60, and feisty!  I was talking with her one day about  
moving out, and she thought I could work it out with my mother.  I didn't, so I  
wanted some plants.  I really didn't have much money, so she gave me some  
clippings from her spider plant.  I said, "What are these going to do?"  She  
said, "Just trust me, stupid.  It will work.  Just keep them in a clear glass  
with water and the roots will grow.  Then, you can plant them."  I wasn't  
convinced, but I did it anyway.  Since then, gardening has really become fun  
for me!  Shirley died in December 1990, about a week before Christmas with  
cancer.  I miss her, but I still have those same three clippings she gave me.   
they have gone with me wherever I've gone, and they're so healthy.  One even  
has a stem with babies on it!

Donald  "Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down,
         In a most delightful way!"
From: MYT@buc.edu.au (Mandy Trigg)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: roses
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:17:46 GMT
Organization: Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.8.9

Does anyone know where I can get a Baby Faraux rose to add to my collection?
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Natural snail controls
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:08:13 GMT
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Distribution: rec.gardens
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <2538@cronos.metaphor.com>, falcao@felix.metaphor.com (Ronnie Falcao) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.231518.6133@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
|> >   Obnaturalism:  I found a DeKay's snake, or little brown snake,
|> >   _Storeria dekayi_ (at least it was years ago, maybe it's changed?)
|> >   while digging out for a pond.  One of my favorites, I used to
|> >   keep them as a kid.  Eats SNAILS and SLUGS!
|> >
|> >   Wayne
|> 
|> Eats SNAILS and SLUGS!?!  Really!?!  Gophers, too?  :-)
|> 
|> What are other natural snail and slug controls? 

I almost hate to do this...

Many of you who have had escargot in restaurants have actually eaten slugs.  
How would you know?  You couldn't.

When I was in Portland OR, I forgot to pick up a can of their Slug Chowder.  The
have slug farms there.  I supposed many of us have slug farms - they just know
what to do to prepare them for the sauce. 

Does anyone know how to prepare them?  I'd like to know because I have a slug of
them.

bob jernigan
From: tsims@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas L Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: The sex of a seed
Keywords: trees, fruit, sex, self-incompatibility
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:10:02 GMT
Distribution: rec.gardens
Organization: The Ohio State University


I've been catching up on my newsgroup reading so this is a bit after the fact
of the original post. Anyway:

In article <DENISE.92Sep5152820@isl.world> denise@isl.world (Denise M. Cuevas)
writes:
>>
>>Cursed with growing up in suburbia, I know little of the basics of
>>nature. I'd like to grow several fruit-producing trees (cherry, peach,
>>apple, etc.) from seed. After I finish eating a fruit
>>that I especially like, I intend to plant the seed and produce a tree.
>>
>>It's my understanding that I will need a male and female of each tree
>>in my garden in order for at least one tree to produce fruit.

and Alice Ramirez responded:

>First of all, many fruit species require different varieties, not differently
>sexed trees (exceptions include avocadoes and, I believe, black sapote
>[Diospiros digyna]).  I can't answer your specific question but as an almost
>evangelic fruit growing enthusiast, I must urge you to give up the idea of
>growing your fruit trees from seeds, at least if you are into reliable
>production of good quality fruit.

(and went on to give a nice discussion of horticultural production of orchard
and other trees, as did another poster)

So I thought I'd throw in my $0.02 worth on the "sex" question, since I work on
it for a living...

Alice is absolutely right in talking about different varieties of trees, not
about different sexes, although yes, some plant species do have "male" and
"female" individuals (the technical term for these is dioecious plants). (BTW
some of us who work in this area try hard to avoid using male and female when
talking or thinking about plant biology--but that's another subject...)

Anyway, the need for different varieties of trees to be within pollinating
distance of each other in order to produce fruit, is due to a phenomenon known
as self-incompatibility. Self-incompatibility in one form or another, is
thought to exist in over half the species of flowering plants (angiosperms) --
though it's been selected/bred out of many (most) commercial crops and
floriculture species. (Though not all--GB's favorite plant--broccoli--is
self-incompatible.) I digress. Self-incompatibility is a genetic/biochemical
barrier to self-pollination that results from the ability of the pistil of the
flower to distinguish "self" pollen from "non-self" pollen. Following
recognition (mechanism unkown at this time) the "self" pollen is rejected
(mechanism also unknown, although there are some good clues), while the
"non-self" pollen can function for fertilization and seed (fruit) set. Having
two different varieties of the same fruit species essentially guarantees that
"non-self" pollen is available for fertilization.

Hope the above isn't too pedantic. The male/female misconception is actually
pretty common. Too, self-incompatibility is a *NEAT* phenomenon that is
of both commercial and academic interest.

Tom Sims
tsims@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: listona@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Aaron Liston)
Subject: Re: Botanical gardens in and around SF
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:21:30 GMT

The Berkeley Botanic Garden and the Strybing Arboretum are must
see gardens..  If you like English style perennial borders the
Fetzer Winery in Hopland  (2 hrs north of SF) has a wonderful
one.  We saw it on October 1990 & it was beautiful.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Aaron Liston                                    E-mail: LISTONA@CGRB.ORST.EDU
Department of Botany and Plant Pathology        Tel: 503 737 5301
Oregon State University                         Fax: 503 737 3573
Corvallis, OR 97331-2902
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From: kk@mcnc.org (Krzysztof A. Kozminski)
Subject: Re: Shady Groundcover
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:38:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.192158.12010@sco.COM> rogerv@sco.COM (Roger Vortman) writes:
>There is an excellent book out on gardening in the shade as well.  It
>is called "The Shade Gardener" or somesuch.  Anyway, I can get the actual
>title and author if anyone is interested.  It is about the only good book
>that I have seen dedicated to shade gardening.

I think you mean "The Complete Shade Gardener" by George Schenk.  Indeed
a wonderful book, full of information, and reads very nicely, too.

KK
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"Legalize freedom.  Vote libertarian"
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From: fease@dkas.enet.dec.com (Andrea Midtmoen Fease)
Subject: Raccoons in the Corn!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Marlboro MA
Date:  8 SEP 92 10:41:34    


     Over the weekend a raccoon hit my corn.  At least I *believe* it was a 
raccoon - many (about 30) ears had the green sheath ripped down, then two or 
three rows of corn were eaten.  This corn was just about ready to be picked, 
in fact I was going to pick it this weekend.  The raccoon (is that what it 
was???) beat me to it.

     Is there any way to get rid of this critter?  I still have some ears not 
quite ready, which he didn't touch.  And I have one more square of corn which 
should produce end-of-Sept-beginning-of-October.  I don't want to lose this 
crop.

     I will not shoot him; even though I'm really angry with him, I don't know 
how to use a gun, wouldn't be able to even if I could and there is a house 
within 30' of the crop.  I do not wish to put out poison as I'm afraid a dog, 
cat, bird, etc will eat it.  I don't have a trap, although I will ask some of 
my friends that might have one.

     Is there a spray I could put down?  Some way to cover the ears?

     HELP!

    					- Andrea
From: chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: morning glory seeds
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:30:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I never knew people grew morning glorys by seed.  Here they are a perennial--
a perennial nuisance, that is.  I've had them take over my wood pile, climb
nearby trees, and work their way under the siding on my house!

My cousin once had some friends visiting from abroad, and they were admiring
the lovely flowers growing from the vine along his back fence.  Jokingly, he
suggested they take some cuttings home, and they agreed.  So he potted up a
half dozen little rooted shoots for them, still thinking they were in on the
joke.  Finally, before they left, he explained to them why he could not give
them those cuttings--the vegetative equivalent of a termite nest.  :)

Agreed, the flowers are quite pretty.  Be thankful you *must* replant them 
every year where you live.
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben)
Subject: Re: Botanical Electronic News (BEN #38)
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:34:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.220931.28910@squid.tram.com> patt@squid.tram.com (Patt Bromberger) writes:
>DR. BARBARA McCLINTOCK  (1902-1992)
>
>Dr. Barbara McClintock, 1983 Nobel Prize Winner in genetics,
>died September 3, 1992. She received the Nobel Prize for her
>discovery that certain genes can change their position on the
>chromosomes of cells. She worked with maize and her discoveries
>of gene transpositions and jumping genes were accepted only
>after the progress in molecular biology  had provided rational
>explanations for her findings.
>
>Ref.: Keller, E.F. 1983. A feeling for the organism : the life
>and work of Barbara McClintock. W.H. Freeman, San Francisco.
>xix + 235 p.
>Kittredge, M. 1991. Barbara McClintock. Chelsea House 
>Publishers, New York. 103 p.

When I was an undergrad at Cornell in the 70's, the cytology course was
taught with an amazing set of slide-mounted specimens.  Alot of the most
dramatic were corn genetics preparations, and some of them were the original
preparations from which illustrations for publication were drawn.  Professor
Uhl made a big deal about corn genetics, and I really didn't understand
much of what he was talking about, other than that corn was a good subject
for study because you could read a genotype from each kernal's coloring.

I also used to sit in on genetics and plant breeding seminars.  Frequently,
there was this older woman present, who stuck out like a sore thumb among the
predominantly male and aging researchers.  She was treated with great
deference, and asked very penetrating questions.  I wondered who she was.

It wasn't until she won her Nobel Prize and I read her biography that I
realized who she was and whose preparations I'd studied and what their
importance was.

Mike Huben
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Ok, now I'm really confused about pH
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX


  What do y'all think of those "electronic" ph soil testers...  a meter with
  a probe attached.  I've been using one for a while and it's very convenient,
  but I've never tested it against other methods.

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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: plant root hormones?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:46:53 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

drewsxpa@salem.intel.com (Paul Drews) writes:
> This  book  mentions  three hormones:  IAA (I can't remember what this
> stands  for.   

Indole acetic acid.  The natural rooting hormone.  

>  NAA,  which  stands  for "Naphthaleneacetic acid".  This is
> used  for some woody plant propagation, but isn't too effective.  IBA,
> which  stands  for "Indole-3 Butyric Acid" is the most popular rooting
> hormone for woody plants.  I have the vague impression that NAA may be
> more widely used for the non-woody plants.
> The  most  common recipe for use (for deciduous hardwoods) seems to be
> to  take cuttings in june-july, dip the ends of the cuttings and knock
> off  the  excess.  Stick them in moist a perlite-peat mixture and keep
> them from drying out.  They will dry out very easily, since they don't
> have  any  decent root systems to suck up water yet.  You have to keep
> them  moist  and  shady.  I have used a mist bottle twice a day with a
> saran  wrap  cover,  but  still dried out quite a few.  I envy Kay her
> greenhouse  and  automated misting system.  Start with some easy stuff
> like  willow,  wisteria,  poplar, and dogwood first to get the hang of
> it.

Easy substitute for a mist bench is to make the cuttings, place them in
a pot or flat, place the pot/flat in a big plastic bag (like a dry
cleaning bag, inflate it and tie the top.  Instant greenhouse. 100% RH.
> 
> By  the  way, the rooting hormones are dreadfully poisonous.  Read the
> caution  labels on the containers.  Don't even store them near food or
> fertilizer and don't use them on stuff you're going to eat.

Uh, could we negotiate this down to "Don't eat it with a spoon"?  NAA
has an oral LD50 in rats of 1000 mg/kg.  Acetominophen (Tylenol, tm,
rates 338 mg/kg (about 3x as toxic))  It's never a good idea to store
non-food chemicals with food, nor to breathe or eat stuff that isn't
labeled as "food", but we've sometimes gone a bit overboard in our
caution labels.  I'd eat apples from a tree that I'd propagated
with rooting hormone, though I'd wouldn't sprinkle the rooting 
hormone on an apple fruit and munch *that*.  (Talc tastes awful.  I've
tried it.)

Yes, before the flamethrowers come out, I know LD-50's aren't perfect,
and it changes from one species to the next, and one mode of administration
to the next, but I believe we can use LD50's to get a ballpark estimate of
"OK-Bad-Panic in the Streets!".

My absolutely top favorite Material Safety Data Sheet was for Sucrose.
Yep, table sugar.  It wound up with the admonition that if you spilled
this horrible chemical on yourself you should wash the area in running
water for 15 minutes and obtain medical assistance.  My lab supervisor, 
married to a pediatrition, claimed that the next time he wanted some
attention, he was going to go lay down in the bathtub, dump the sugar
bowl on himself, and call for the pediatrician...   ;-)

   Kay

And Paul, good luck with the conifers.  When you've got that down,
would you please try cycads from cuttings for me???? ;-)