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From: ccford@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Stats Software?
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:51:47 AEST
Organization: University Of Queensland

Stats people,

  Having read (and retained) stats stuff from rec.sport.baseball, I figured 
this would be a good place to pose this question.

  A bit of background first, earlier this year I started up a baseball club in
the area where I live (in Queensland, Australia). The season is about to get 
underway (next weekend), and with seven teams about to take to the diamond,
our sports director has asked me to find some software (or the like), that 
will enable us to take and keep stats on all our players (and possibly other 
teams players, though this is not essential).

  I would like to ask any (all) of you to advise me of the better software out
in this world for such a purpose? I must advise that the price will be a big 
consideration, as the club is new (and very short on cash), the kids & seniors 
playing are in the main, new to the game so all stats will be started from 
scratch. 

  Any advice or info you can give will be very much appreciated.
-- 
 
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From: dlm@lampasas.cray.com (David Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:34:14 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

I think Storm Davis may have been also been a Bircher...

david dlm@houston.cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: roger@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: The Jays will CRUSH Oakland!!!!
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:31:47 GMT

In article <18125@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hovercraft Mandibles Huckabay) writes:
> There will be no game 7.  Guzman will throw a 94-pitch no hitter
> today, crushing the worthless Oakland batters under his heel like so
> much the insects that they are.
> 
> Meanwhile, Dave Winfield, Joe Carter, Roberto Alomar, and John Olerud
> will blast the melons hurled by Mike Moore halfway to Hawaii, and
> Toronto will continue their march of Manifest Destiny against the
> Braves in the World Series.
> 
> Atlanta and Toronto will DESTROY their worthless, morally inferior
> opponents, and meet in the best world series ever.
> 
> I LAUGH at the woofing God!  Toronto IS the team of destiny!  Oakland
> is but worm filth.
> -- 
> *    Gary Huckabay    *           
		__________________________________________

Gary, I think you should stop beating about the bush and give us a definite 
opinion, one way or the other.


Roger C. Green,	Faculty of Medicine                      Phone: (709)737-6884
Memorial University , St. John's, Newfoundland.          FAX  : (709)737-7010
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 19:25:39 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
 <1992Oct12.032828.9604@Princeton.EDU> <7519@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
 <1992Oct12.172039.1857@news2.cis.umn.edu>


...blah blah people say obp > ba this means walks > hits blah blah...

...blah blah people say 4+5 > 6 this means 4 > 6 blah blah...



Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:29346 rec.sport.baseball.fantasy:740
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: A New Mailing List: Minor League Baseball
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:07:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Subject: A New Mailing List: Minor League Baseball

A new mailing list has been formed for the fans of minor league baseball.

Submissions: minors@medraut.apple.com
Administration and mailing list changes: minors-request@medraut.apple.com
Owner: Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@medraut.apple.com, chuq@apple.com)

Administrative note: administrative requests sent to the full list will be
cheerfully refused, so if you want on or off the list, learn to follow
instructions.

Charter:

1) Issues affecting the minor league, an example being the
agreement with the majors that includes new (and to my eyes, really
stupid) stadium standards. That standard has caused Hagerstown to lose it's
AA team, to name just one side effect.

2) Minor league franchise status and changes.

3) Road trips and groups. A way for people travelling out of town to find
   out who's playing where they'll be and how to get there. Also a way for
   like minded people to set up groups to enjoy their sport together.

4) Schedules, team and league status.

5) Players and teams to watch.

6) Something I hope to be a minor issue, but worth keeping in mind:
collectibles, which are a hot, profitable item for the minors right now.

7) One thing I do NOT want to see on this list: fantasy baseballers
wandering around asking weird questions about who they should be drafting or
how minor league players are doing. This is a league about the minor leagues
as a place to enjoy, not as a farm system for the majors or a scouting world
for the roto folks. Leave those aspects to their appropriate newsgroups.

8) Anything else of importance about minor league baseball.

If you're interested in joining the discussion, send mail to
minors-request@medraut.apple.com. We have boxes available
two rows up from the visitor's dugout, and there's a barbeque off the left
field line with pretty good ribs. All we need now is you.



-- 
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From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Fans
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:50:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <7183@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.151808.15458@sei.cmu.edu> dpw@sei.cmu.edu  
>(David Wood) writes:
>> By comparison, the Pirates outdrew teams from huge cities such as
>> Boston, San Franscisco/ Oakland, both Chicago teams, Detroit,  
>Philly,
>> both LA-area teams, and both New York teams (these are the 7  
>largest
>> metro areas in the country, by the way - there is a definite  
>pattern
>> here). 
>
>I agree with most of your post, but have one quibble here.  Boston
>pretty much draws as many fans as they can draw. They fill Fenway
>to 90+% of capacity every game.  Many cities have higher averages
>because they can draw 50,000+ to big weekend games. Boston can't;
>they only can fit about 33,000.  Thus it really isn't fair to
>imply that somehow Boston fans don't do as good a job as fans in
>some of these other cities. They do as well as the park allows.
>
>--
>Jim Mann            
>Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

	In order to see who has the best fans (ie - loyal), why don't
	we just base it on a percentage.  In other words if Team A sold
	~90% of its seats for the entire season and if Team B only sold
	~80% of its seats, team A would have the most loyal fans even if
	team B draws more total fans.  

 	If somebody out there has final attendence figures for each team
	and what the attendance would have been for 81 sell outs --
	please post.

later,
				---Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Key in game 5
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:48:16 GMT

From article <1992Oct16.005445.13678@nstn.ns.ca>, by maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern):
> (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
>>than normal. Cone simply didn't pitch well. 
> 
>   Huh?  Cone pitched reasonably well.  You can't be perfect with so 
>   many errors behind you.  I'd gladly take 162 games pitched as well
>   next year, and would win the division by, oh, 15 or so.

Whoops, sorry about that your right Tim I actually was thinking Cone
pitched *reasonably* well somehow what came out is what you see. In my
defense I did say if he had pitched only a little better(I think I said
that) the outcome might have been different, thus implying that I thought
he pitched ok. 

Oh well no harm done.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:54:40 GMT

In article <7756@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>Thus spake (Gerry Gryschuk):
>
>>From article <1992Oct12.084618.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast):
>
>>> In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
>>> by John Palmer
>>[a whole bunch of bandwagon rationalizing deleted ...]
>
>>All I can say to this John is that although the feeling of cheering for a
>>winning team is good it is nothing compared to cheering for a loosing team
>>that eventually gets to be a winning team. Sticking with a team through
>>its worst times makes the good times infinitely more gratifying. 
>
>Gerry, like John Reynard before you, you seem to have missed the point of 
>what John Palmer was saying.  Nowhere did he say that it is *wrong* to be
>a fan of a bad team, or to get enjoyment out of baseball in whatever way
>works best for you.  What he *did* say is that there is no inherent *moral*
>superiority that attaches to "loyalty to the team".  Neither you nor John
>Reynard have said anything to contradict that claim.  You may personally
>think that Palmer's ideas are icky, and misguided, but you haven't really
>disagreed with the main point of his article.
>
>Yes, it's tremendously gratifying to follow a bad team that becomes good.
>Does this mean that people who *don't* stick with bad teams should be subject
>to censure?  No, it just means that they won't get that same rush you get.
>Their loss.

I would say that any inherent "character flaw" would stem from those present-
day fans who one day down the road decide that (for example) the Jays are awful
(again) and not worth watching.  Of course this hasn't been a major problem
for Toronto.  On the other hand, how much do you want to bet that Atlanta's
attendance drops dramatically the minute those guys turn sour?

In fact, we witnessed it this year!  When the Braves were losing they weren't
filling the stadium--DESPITE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES JUST THE YEAR BEFORE!!

>
>Consider
>>all the die-hard Jays fans that are right now in a near state of ecstasy,
>>I submit that you will never know how really good this feels.
>
>What does this have to do with whether or not it is a character flaw to be
>a fair-weather fan?  That was the claim being refuted.  
>
My claim is that those people sour the taste of baseball.  Yeah, it's great
to CHOP-CHOP all the way to the series and WOOF about your team when they
get hot, but to say (during the lean years) things like "the Braves suck!!"
and "Go Falcons! And take the Braves with you!" is an embarrasment.

RStimets

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: YOU make the call! 
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:38:51 GMT


>          but apparently I had left third too early. On an instant
> replay, the OF bobbled the ball. The ball hit the palm of his glove,
> bounced down. He reached with his hand and knocked the ball back up in the
> air. Three seconds later, the ball was in his glove without having hit the
> ground. The refs ruled that I had left third right after the ball bounced
> off his glove but way before he had actually caught the ball. Thus I had
> left 3rd too early and was out.

> Were the refs right?

Nope!  You were safe & your run scored counts!   The key is "first contact
with the ball".  As soon as the fielder makes contact with the ball, you
can tag up & take off.  If this were not the case, any fielder who is a semi-
accomplished juggler could consistantly and intentionally bobble the ball 
while running in to the infield with it, thus preventing you from scoring.
In doing so, they would be making a travesty of the game.

That is why rules like "the Infield Fly" were invented, to prevent the
intentional deception of an opposing player & making a travesty or mockery
of the game of baseball.

JoeK
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Ex-Cub Factor
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:48:17 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct9.020417.29091@leland.Stanford.EDU> cmeyer@spiral.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer) writes:
>When did Carter and Tabler play for the Cubs?  (You aren't thinking of
>the Indians, are you?)

Joe Carter appeared in 23 games for the Cubs in 1983.  In 1984, while he
was back in Iowa, he was traded to the Indians along with Mel Hall, Don
Schulze, and Darryl Banks for Rick Sutcliffe, Ron Hassey, and George
Frazier.  Carter was originally a first round draft pick (second overall)
of the Cubs.  

Pat Tabler was originally drafted by the Yankees in the first round (16th
overall).  Tabler was loaned to the Iowa Cubs on August 12, 1982, by the
Yankees organization, then the Cubs acquired him on waivers for two players
to be named later; said two players turned out to be Bill Caudill and Jay
Howell.  Tabler appeared in 60 games with the Cubs during 1981-1982, then
the Cubs traded him along with Dick Tidrow, Randy Martz, and Scott Fletcher
to the White Sox for Steve Trout and Warren Brusstar in January of 1983.
The White Sox didn't hang onto him, though: on April 1, 1983, they traded
him to the Indians for Jerry Dybzinski, the most bow-legged player I've
ever seen.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: ed19+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Alva Dunmire)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: BARRY BONDS HOMERUN
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:09:08 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



TOO ALL YOU BONDS CHOKING ANTAGONISTS!!


EAT HIS HOMERUN AND CHOKE ON IT YOURSELF!!!! 

CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!C
HOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!


PIRATES OVER BLUE JAYS IN 6!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: result:  Braves 3, Pirates 2
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:54:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart):
>
>As I sat in my chair, stunned to have seen a great Braves win, I
>couldn't help but think that this game was a great example of why
>baseball is so much fun. Those who say it's boring simply don't
>understand. 

Absolutely.  Halfway through the bottom of the ninth, my wife got up without
saying anything and fetched me a roll of Maalox tablets.  After the inning,
she said "Maybe I should have brought you the gin instead."

>I'm glad to see the Toronto Blue Jays get into the Series. It should
>be a great Series with these 2 teams in it. I'll be pulling for the
>Jays, not because I'm a fan of theirs - I'm a Yankees fan - but
>because they've been close several times, and came up empty. Of
>course, the Braves lost in a heart breaker seventh game last year, so
>this is going to be a great matchup - 2 teams who've never won the
>Series. 

The sad part of this, of course, is that whichever team loses, for whatever
reason, will be labelled a team of "losers" and "chokers".  I mean, if the
Jays lose, it will be yet another example of The Famous Jays El Foldo (tm),
but if the Jays win, it will be Atlanta's Inability to Win the Big One (tm).
And people actually will receive *salaries* for writing that drivel.

For you Braves fans:  I am very very unhappy at the moment.  I feel that the
Pirates gave the victory away, but in no way does that prevent me from also
feeling that the Braves earned their victory.  All I ask is that, in the course
of your celebrations, you drink one small toast to those who won't be going on
to the next level.  


-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.235524.8572@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>In article <thornley.718406853@milli> thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:
>>
>>Don't forget that Bonds has faced left-handed pitching about two-thirds
>>of the time in the LCS, as opposed to about one-third of the time in the
>>regular season.  He hasn't had much of a platoon differential in the past
>>two years, but facing extra lefties isn't going to help him.
>
>I have a hard time believing that Bonds can't hit lefties.
>I'm willing to say that his expected average for the LCS should be
>.270 or .280 because he is facing good pitchers.  

Which brings up a good point: how well did Bonds/Bonilla/Van Slyke hit against
the Reds/Braves in the last 2 regular season series', and how well did 
Bonds/AVS hit against the Braves this year? After all, Glavine-Smoltz-Avery-
Rijo, etc aren't exactly slouches.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Fans
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:49:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct13.184935.24759
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann):
>
>they only can fit about 33,000.  Thus it really isn't fair to
>imply that somehow Boston fans don't do as good a job as fans in
>some of these other cities. They do as well as the park allows.

Of course, you are correct.  Let me repeat what I said in my original
post:

>First, I personally don't think that Pittsburgh fans are any better or
>worse than fans anywhere else.  Let's not be silly.

Every year we get these tiresome criticisms of how fans in city x
should be ashamed, etc.  I was trying to show how dumb this is.  We
could come up with any number of measures of the quality of fans, but
it's really kind of dumb.  Actually, Boston fans show a lot of stamina
given the Curse and all.  It's hard enough dealing with the Pirates'
two year curse (threatening to become three years Very Soon Now.)

--Dave Wood
From: gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS game 7: 9th inning recap
Keywords: Pirate Nightmare
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:14:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct15.072826.6621@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kev@fred.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Eckert) writes:
>Gant delivers a sac fly to deep left; Pendleton 
>	scores to make it 2-1 (how many people 
>	thought that Gant had hit a pennant-
>	winning grand-slam?  I sure did ... )
>Blauser walks, reloading the bases (I think it was 
>	Blauser; all this is from memory w/o a VCR)

  Nope.  It was Damon "Blue" Berryhill.  Personally, I thought the 3-1 pitch
was a strike.  Other than that, I thought Randy Marsh did an excellent job
of relieving John McSherry.

>Hunter (pinch-hitting) loops weakly to Lind on
>	outfield grass for the second out
>Cabrerra (pinch-hitting) rolls a 2-2 offering
>	from Belinda into left, scoring Justice
>	and Bream, making it 3-2 and giving the Braves 
>        the pennant
>

Ben...

By the way, has anybody heard what McSherry's condition is?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benjamin H. Cowan                       || Reply to: gt2807a@prism.gatech.edu
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================================================================================

           "I don't believe there is a man, woman, or child alive
                   that doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage."
                                                        --Dave
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:46:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bw2s8y.E6E
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL6]

: I believe there is one other small rule difference...in the American  
: League no inning may begin after 1:00 AM local time, in the National  
: League there is no such curfew.
: 
: I don't know what happens if a World Series game goes past 1:00 AM. 

I vaguely recall this being an issue in Game 6 of the 1975 World Series, which
went into extra innings before finally ending with the famous Carlton Fisk home
run at Fenway.  Scary thought - there are probably people reading this who were
too young too remember that, or were not even born yet.  Anyhow, I was just
thinking about this the other day, but couldn't remember any such rule, so I
was trying to figure out why it was an issue at all.  Maybe the rule didn't
apply to the World Series, and the announcers were only saying "*if* this were
a regular season game, it would be approaching the curfew".  Then again, maybe
it was just my mother setting the curfew (bedtime) for me - after all, I was
pretty young then :-)

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:29429 soc.culture.japan:8672
From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (Hiroshi YAJIMA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:13:15 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Lab., Musashino, Japan

Yesterday's games of the Central League were postponed till tonight because of
rain.

 The schedule of the remaining games of the Japan Central League is;

               9            10         11      
Tigers       Dragons       Swallows   Swallows  

Swallows     Carp          Tigers     Tigers

Carp         Swallows        X          X

Dragons      Tigers          X          X

--------------

  I hope that the beloved Swallows will win.

----- Hiroshi
--

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From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Awesome, just awesome
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:55:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1bkl6lINNl9m@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>What a fantastic game to end the NLCS after a fairly boring series. I was
>rooting for Pitt just because I've had enough of that Tomahawk Chop crap,
>but was happy with the finish. It's too bad Pitt didn't have a reliable
>closer, might have been a different story if that had been the case. 
>
>As for the Bream--safe or out?--discussion, it seemed like he just barely
>beat the tag and even if you don't actually touch the plate, you'll be called
>safe almost every time if you beat the throw.
>
>This should be a great World Series. I'll stick with what I've been saying
>for a few months now, Jays over Braves in 6. Now if Jack Morris would just
>pitch a good game and give me a little more credibility....
>
>--salty
oh! yes it is going to be a great World Series.  By the way if anyone out there
knows the scores of last year's world series (Braves Vs. Twins, 7 games),
please e-mail (molly@rolf.stat.uga.edu).  Thanks.

MR
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