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From: X68147@BARILVM.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Cartoon version
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:40:23 GMT
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel

In article <brian.721533982@coombs>, brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian) says:
>
>        I have just heard a rumour that the two year interregnum of production
>for Dr.Who has in fact turned into a cancellation for the show with the BBC.
>
>        My question is, is this true, will Dr.Who be made no more?
>
>        Please reply with email as I don't often bother reading these
>newsgropes.
>

I have heard that the BBC wants to make an animated version of 'Dr Who' from
now on.  I hope it is not true as:

a) Half the fun of 'Dr Who' is thesynthesis between real people (even if they
   fantasy :-) and the monsters/special effects.

b) Having seen the animated versions of 'Star Trek' and 'Batman', the human
   'versions' are always so much better.

Am I just being old fashioned?

>
>--
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>_________________________________Tony Baker, Adelaide Review, October 1992____
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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Is the Doctor a hero?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:29:22 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov18.191534.29873@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> In <13554@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:

>>(at least by the time of "Nightshade") and she is a strong, admirable

This is a book - part of the New Adventures line.  And this could certainly 
spawn a large - what is/isn't canon ("real" in the Who-Universe) debate, 
but save that for another subject heading...

>>At the beginning and in the most recent time, the Doctor is an antihero,
>>which is why we need characters like Ian, Barbara and Ace to be our
>>representatives.  Anyone can see that.
> 
> in.  But I will DEFINITELY argue with the Doctor being an antihero.  Explain
> yourself, please!  Give me your definition of an antihero as well, so we can
> debate this intellectually.

This may seem rather strange, but I have to agree with ADSimchik on this 
one.  According to the Jungian (?) architypical characteristics of a hero, 
the Doctor fits well into most of the criteria

1. Has an unusual origin (actually never given a full explanation, so it is 
still a mystery to most of us)
2. Left home as a young man, exiled possibly.  (Doctor age at his departure 
from Gallifrey is debatable, since it is never explicitly stated)
3. Has powerful weapons - Well, the TARDIS at least could fit that 
catagory, as well as his brain power
4. Has unusual skills - see above
5. Helped on journey by "gods" - he was getting rather chummy with the 
White Guardian for a while there, and he has been "guided" at times by the 
Timelords
6. Death is very unusual - not sure about this one, but it kind of makes 
sense.

These are not the actual general mythological guidelines for defining a 
hero (they work very nicely on Superman) but they seem to fit in with the 
Doctor.

But as a "hero" figure, he is atypical - not a dashing hero like the Saint, 
more like a rumpled version of MacGyver (which I never have watched) 
Clever, talented, but not someone who you would want to put up on a hero 
recruitment poster.

I better reread some of my mythology books...

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan

Help, I've fallen and I can't get pumped - Hans and Franz in the retirement 
home.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: In defense of Peri
From: tswanson@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES.)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:15 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <=nrqt7j@lynx.unm.edu>, xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes...
>Having just recently seen "Attack of the Cybermen," I'm reinforced
>in my belief that Peri really wasn't all that bad...  
>
>  [Insightful analysis deleted..]
> 
>-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)

Sorry to be non-purist, but I had the major hots for Nicola Bryant, and so
tended to like Peri quite a bit.  Aside from that, though, I agree with
your comments, most of all about the whining.  

I respected what Colin Baker tried to do with the Doctor, but, personally, 
it just turned me off.  I liked the idea of an "unstable" Doctor, but he
(the Doctor) went from nasty and whiny to eventually become just too pompous 
and arrogant.

I would have liked to have seen a season of Peri with Peter Davison.  I
haven't seen Planet of Fire yet, but I loved Caves of Androzani ("Sir!"),
and thought they had a good chemistry.

I also agree that she had to deliver some pretty awful lines, but boy is
she cute.  8)

Later,
Ted.
From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: CBS FOX VIDEO/Doctor Who
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:30:54 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Scheduled for release in Febuary/March:

The Tom Baker Years
Daleks: The Early Years
Cybermen: The Early Years
(Title yet to be announced) - probably Claw of Axos or Earthshock

Red Dwarf (episodes unknown)

The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (might be delayed)
From: goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: DrWho On The Sci-Fi Channel
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:41:43 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lynx.larc.nasa.gov

In article <BxG9Mr.50v@ibmpcug.co.uk>, jpjackso@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (John Paul Jackson III) writes:
|> I was wondering what time "Droctor Who" comes on the Science Fiction Channel
|> Any Ideas?


12:00 noon (EST) on the button...


...mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Top Ten Reasons why BBC axed Doctor Who
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19: 43:08 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: drh2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:40:01 GMT

Okay, those last two top ten posts have got me into the spirit of things.
Here are the top ten reasons why BBS axed Doctor Who....

10. TARDIS console prop deemed too great a safety hazard.
9. Unreasonable salary demands from the cyber-union
8. Royal Order: plight of Earth after eerily reminiscent of collapse of
British Empire, and also young Andrew terrified by K9.
7. Stickler top BBC execs insist, "London was not invaded by dinosaurs in
the 1970s!"
6. The Gunfighters
5. Charlton Heston lawsuit: "After Delgado, role of Master was promised
to me!"
4. Humane society amassing evidence as to true source of
dematerialization noise.
3. Search for Lala Ward's body called off with the horrible realization
she was inadvertantly broasted with TARDIS rumpus room in Castrovalva.
2. Re-discovered episode of the Tenth Planet reveals that rather than
regenerate, the doctor actually retired to a chickpea farm in Idaho.

And the number one reason why BBC axed Doctor Who....
1. The Mara's new host: John Nathan Turner.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: cbs/fox videos edited?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:25:59 GMT

can anyone tell me what's been edited out of the episodes that were
mentioned as being "slightly edited"?  for instance, does anyone know what was
chopped out of TALONS OF WENG CHIANG?  thanx,
                                             ggreg
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Windsor's Nemesis
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:00:26 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

             

Did anyone else find it a little odd that Windsor Castle burned down
on the 20th of November, so close to the Anniversary date, and of course
that date was the focus for the events of "Silver Nemesis."

This fire could have been started by onw of two things, either 
a) Ace left some Nitro-9 in the castle or
b) the Doctor muffed Nemesis' orbit again and now she'll return every 4 years

I just hope that portrait of Ace got saved from the fire along with the
others. :)

Steven.K.Manfred
From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: What's this new script thingy-do?
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:16:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


 Quick Question- just looked at this message "NEW DOCTOR WHO MOVIE SCRIPT"
posting- is this someone's 'movie idea' or is it "THE Movie Script" for the
impending (possible rumoured) Doctor Who movie? I've lost touch a bit here
in the rec.arts.dw area- can someone fill  me (e-mail preferred)

Thanks
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From: tkimball@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (timothy kimball)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: re: dr who pin
Keywords: who pinball
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:18:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	as to what changes on the pin when you select a different
doctor -- all I've seen is a change of character seen in video mode --
no change in voice.

T. S. Kimball

ps:  dont mind me, the first post of this failed
From: 00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Susan and regeneration
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:34:29 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


     Could somebody please help me on some details of the Hartnell years?  I'm
not too familiar with the early shows, so some questions puzzle me:

Whatever happened to Susan, Barbara, and Ian?  (I *think* that was his name :-) 
     I gather from an earlier posting that Susan married somebody, but where
     did all of them end up?

Why did the Doctor regenerate the first time, and how did they explain it?  As
     I understand, the term "regeneration" didn't emerge until the end of the
     Pertwee years (I remember Troughton being told that the Time Lords were
     "giving him a new form"), so what did they call it then?  (I've seen every
     other regeneration scene but this one; does it still exist?)

E-mail me, or post if you think anybody else would be interested.  Thanks.

Casey
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: More Smeg on the 'net (was Re: Who'd make a goo Who?)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:01:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.135923.24116@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>
>By the way, share with the ignorant:  what does "smegging" mean?

Oh, no, please don't ask that!!! This question tied up alt.tv.prisoner for
WEEKS! Suffice it to say, that "Smeg" and its derivatives (smegging, smeggy,
etc.) are really unpleasant, but fairly amusing, generic expletives. It also
has the appeal of being largely unknown (in this country, anyway) and makes
you look smart when you use it.

Ok, that last part's not true. But maybe if we ("we" being all the 'net-heads
who read this) propigate this rumor we can play a huge practical joke on the
entire world...

Ok, that last part's not true either. But it'd be funny, huh?


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble)
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:01:42 GMT

In article <1dkoiaINNp83@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST101229@brownvm.brown.edu (Charon) writes:
>      I've seen mostly Davison and T.Baker, plus a bit of Pertwee, and Paradise
> Towers.  Colin Baker seemed very obnoxious and excessive, especially compared
> to Davison's character before him.  Another unpleasant comparison was in the
> pacifism of the Doctors.  For at least 3 doctors before C.Baker (I haven't seen
> any Hartnell or Troughton), the Doctor was unwilling to do acts of violence
> against _anything_.  C.Baker's Doctor was, if you will, fundamentally "good"...
> but he didn't have the restraint of the other two.
>      Has anyone seen Witness?  Remember the scene where the little Amish boy
> first finds out about a gun?  His grandfather puts the gun on the table, at a
> distance from them both, and sits the boy on his lap.  He asks his grandson,
> "What would you do with the gun?"  The boy responds that he would shoot the bad
>  people.  The grandfather asks how he could see into the hearts of men, to see
> if they were good or evil.  Pertwee, Baker, and Davison seem like the
> grandfather.  They're not willing to hurt anyone if it would cause some sort of
> of suffering.  Colin Baker, on the other hand, seems to believe in the ends
> justify the means.

Jon Pertwee killed a Dalek rather painfully in 'Planet Of The Daleks'. Now, the
Daleks are evil, yes, but so was Shockeye. Does a Dalek's pain count for less
than the pain of Shockeye (in 'The Two Doctors')?

Tom Baker killed Dr Solon in 'The Brain Of Morbius', threatened Calib ('I'll
break your nose if you don't get up' while holding a crossbow on him) in 'The
Face Of Evil' and threw a Horta onto the arm of a Sevateem warrior in the same
story. In 'The Armageddon Factor' he cheered as the Marshal's missiles 
destroyed the planet of the Shadow, killing the Shadow and his henchmen. Tom
Baker himself said the Doctor would let a city burn to save a country.

Peter Davison went to execute Davros in 'Ressurection of the Daleks' and
kiled the Sea-Devils and Silurians in 'Warriors of the Deep'.

That said, Colin Baker was a more violent Doctor than the others (not a
great deal) due to his regeneration, but his actions had their roots in the
actions of the previous Doctors. Exploring the darker side of the Time Lord
was the way the series was going and it's just a shame that a no-talent
power freak like Michael Grade should interfere where he hasn't got the brains
to know what he's doing. Like Hollywood studio bosses.

Edward
> 
>      Oh, well, enough of this tirade...I'm getting stupid.
>           -Charon, Boatman of the River Styx <st101229@brownvm.brown.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:59:28 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


     <much other speculation deleted>

>>How about Robin Williams (if he doesn't do Mork.)

I'm probably gonna get punched in the virtual teeth for this, but as long as
we're talking American actors...

How about Christopher Lloyd?  I think he'd be great as The Doctor.  And he's
already had time travel experience!!! (Remember Doc Brown of the _Back to the
Future_ movies?)  :-)

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Subject: Re: Your firsts
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:11:06 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

<IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

> I would like to hear how some of my fellow "Whovians" were
> first introduced into the series - It was quite a powerfull
> experience for me (or as powerfull as a child might imagine!)
> when I watched "Genesis of The Daleks" on channel 2. It was
> the best show I'd ever seen ! - The mystery of the whole series
> was a joy to unravel, to get to know the doctor and his interesting
> happenings. In short - it's the last Televison show I'll watch!
> But anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone on this...
> 
> 
>    Scorby...
> 

Ok, <as the candle passes from Scorby to myself>.  I first heard of Dr. Who
around 1984 or 85 when I would ask a friend of mine to go do something on a 
given Saturday afternoon, and he would say, "Well I can't do anything until
after 3:00, because I have to watch Dr. Who".  Well I'll tell I had no idea
what he was talking about because I didn't have cable and couldn't even get 
our local PBS station to find out.  So later after I got married and my 
husband told me of Dr. Who, (and I finally had a house with cable) I finally
sat down and watched it and have been a fan ever since.  My first introduction
was with Peter Davison and the first story I watched was Earthshock.  That was
around 1987.  I had been an avid Trekkie, so my becomming a Who fan was pretty
easy.  My reaction to Earthshock?  I thought it was great, and a great show,
I was surprised at the end, but I hadn't really gotten to know Adric to really
be upset about it.  My PBS station is just finishing showing the Key to Time
episodes so I'm catching up with all the Tom Baker episodes I haven't seen,
so maybe as they go into the episodes leading up to Earthshock I'll understand
Adric's character better then the first time around.  Now if they would only
show some Hartnell and Troughten.  My PBS station said they would run them 
about a year ago...promises, promises.
<passes candle onto next person wishing to share their story>

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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace? More like deuce... here's a new slant
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:25:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov17.155844.20536@yang.earlham.edu> marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:

>In article <1992Nov14.070414.3525@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>> In <1992Nov13.220639.12628@wam.umd.edu> jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
>> 
>>>In article <1992Nov13.175103.18475@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
>>>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>[stuff deleted]

>>>Finally, Leela was an alien.  I know the rest of you like to relate to 
>Leela was quite human, she may have been from a diffrent culture but she 
>was the decendant of the humans who had been stranded on another plannet. 
>She was not an alien. 

>[even more stuff deleted]

Yeah, yeah, as I've said, I knew that.  Her alien nature derives from her
alien culture.  I didn't mean alien to our race, I meant alien to our
society.  The extraterrestrial definition of alien was not relevant to the
argument.  Hence, Leela=alien for my purposes in that thread.

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From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: DOCTOR WHO MOVIE & SCRIPT INFO!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:26:22 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


   I have noticed several post about the DW Movie and the script, I am here to
clearify everything.

   The script everyones is talking about is obsolete.  I have had the script
since Feb and Greenlight has changed the entire story twice since, and changing
it once again.  The only charcter's I can confirm that still remain is Zilla
(villian) to be played by Caroline Munro, who was originally written to play
Cora one of the Doctor's companions.  the reason for the script change is that
it was leak out and was not faithful to the series, the story had the Doctor
working for the Timelords as an agent.  Another charcter who will make a cameo
appearance is Brig. Lethbridge Stewart.

  I have transferred half of the script to ASCII for a BBS I belong to, I plan
to finish the transfer by the end of January 93.

   Now as for the status of the film, Greenlight is looking for more finacial
backers but production is very likely sometime next year for release in 1994. 
In the latest issue of Femme Fatale, Caroline Munro stated in an iterview this
past summer the film is a GO.  So I feel that the movie will be made, just
remember it took BATMAN 10 years to be made into a film when Warner Bros.
announced it way back when Superman was released.
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: This whole Ace thing.
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:03:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov18.202741.8256@lsa.umich.edu> kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch) writes:


>...I may as well join the band wagon.  What I don't understand is why Ace?
>If you want to pick on companions, why not try Mel?  Peri would be far too
>easy to roast, so I'll skip her.  OK, get your flame-throwers pointed at me,
>the most inconsistant companion I can think of is Nyssa.  I find her and interesting one in that she's headstrong one moment and cringing the next,
>sometimes she can't figure which way is up, but in Terminus, for example,
>she's suddenly finds a solution to the biggest plague in the universe.  Do
>the script writers flip a coin before each episode or what?

>Ready, aim fire.

>---p. de terre

Oh, no you don't--you leave Nyssa alone.  She was a great character--it was
the writers' fault.  I don't want to pick on companions anymore! 
Waaaaaahhh!!

(Drew has now regressed.  He'll let you know when he stops sucking his
thumb.)

:)

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