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From: duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:42:28 GMT

In article <9208130116.AA26719@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>How about Kevin Sullivan?  Was he ever a face?  Hard to believe if
>he was.  :-)

Yes, and I even remember the angle surrounding this.  At the time,
Dusty, Mike Graham, Kevin Sullivan and Ron Bass were in Florida.
They were all partners in a ``ranch'' and were called something
original like The Family.  Sullivan did a heel turn, and I remember 
many matches between Graham and Sullivan where they would always 
ask Sullivan to come back into the family.

As far as Bagwell, he's short of the three-year mark (just barely).
Also, Dustin is just past it, and DDP hasn't wrestled for that long,
though he has been a manager for much longer.  Nash/Vegas is at the 2 year
mark.  BTW, at the Monday taping, me, Michael Branch, and Jon "johnny fargo" 
Kincaid cheered for Vegas and we are now members of his official 
fan club, as he acknowledged us on his way out of the ring by calling us 
his ``boys.''  I really hope he didn't mean ring-boys :-).

-rick


"Random acts of violence just don't do it for me anymore.  Call it 
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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Any DC/ N. Va. people watching SlumberScam?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:59:43 GMT
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Okay, now I'm reduced to begging.... I asked this question at the end
of a previous post, but I guess either the right people didn't see it,
or I'm just SOL.

Anyway, I'm wondering if there are any DC/N. Va. area folks out there
who are going to watch Summer Slam, and are willing to invite a complete
stranger into their home. I'll chip in for cable costs, and I don't
make too much of a mess. (See, I told you I was going to beg.:-) ) I'd 
like to watch it, but no one I know will want to, and I don't want to 
dish out the cost all by myself.

I'd be willing to do the reverse, and have a rsp-w'ers Summer Slam
extravaganza at my place in N. Va, if people are interested. I've got
lots-o-room.

Anyone replying will be worshipped appropriately.

Ken
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From: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price)
Subject: Re: Psycho????
Reply-To: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Particle Physics Research Group
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:02:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.113904.12190@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.153040.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, 11mwarner@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>> 		Just another show of rage from the Psychster

>Hey now... let John have SOMETHING original...

Oh, I don't know.  I prefer to think of it as:

	Just another instance of the sincerest form of flattery towards the 
	Johnster.

           John Price * * * * price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
           Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW TITLE CHANGE?????
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:49:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Herb,

HK>  Japanese fans are "on average" "smarter" than American fans.  When the
  >  fans know that the sport is booked, they can still get excited by the
  >  plots, the individual angles, the characters, or the wrestlers' work.

I had the occasion to talk with a wonderful person who is Japanese and
in this country going to grad school, and probably reading this.  He
explained to me that a lot of, maybe most, hardcore Japanese fans don't
think that wrestling in their country is booked.  He said that they see
it as people give it their all until they can't compete any more and
then lose, sometimes allowing themselves to be pinned.  He also told me
not to be overly "smart" with my friend in Japan as it may turn him off.
It was a very interesting conversation.

  >  McMahon), and plots (like Papa Shango's voodoo, or Ric Flair as "real"
  >  world champion), but don't give a damn about the wrestlers' work in
  >  the ring.  I think that's the real difference between Japanese fans
  >  (and the pro-wrestling product) and their North American counterparts.

I think the difference is even more simple than that.  I think that it
is as simple as respect.  Here, wrestling is a farce.  In Japan, it is
treated with reverance.  Even Baba is cheered for what he has done in
the past.
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From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: WWF Superstars Thoughts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:23:10 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Random musings part I
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:22:13 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

Boy, has this been a week...
 
Masa Chono is the new NWA champ. Ron Simmons is the new WCW champ. Why
don't I see this match happening? I get the feeling Simmons is going to
drop the strap soon. Although Simmons could draw a lot of heat in the 
south, I don't really see this as a great possibility. Then again, who
else could work on Chono's level?
 
The whole USWA vs. WWF angle doesn't shock me one bit. Remember, Vince 
has allowed his minor stars to work for any promotion except for the
WCW and GWF, since they're the only ones that get any serious nat'l 
exposure. It's a shame that we won't see Jeff Jarrett vs. Bret Hart. It
has a lot of potential. Another point: The USWA might be in financial 
trouble. Maybe a merger with the WWF is in the cards...Then again, 
maybe not.
 
With Simmons as WCW champ, do you think Watts may try any sort of world
tour? In a very tasteless comment that I made to a friend, I suggested
that if Watts takes the show to Johannesburgh, Simmons might job for
Col. DeBeers. My apologies to those who may find the the most tasteless
remark since Phil Stromer's heyday. 
 
I apologize if I'm working on old news, but I don't want to sit through
104 messages right now, right now being 11:30 Saturday night.
 
--Don

PS: No .sig, only because I'm switching to a new address:
 
Old address: marilion@jaflrn.uucp
New address: grendel@jaflrn.uucp
From: skar@plains.NoDak.edu (Keith Skar aka Roddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:48:23 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Aug13.042309.2788@cc.gatech.edu> duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan) writes:
>In article <16clrcINNghh@maggie.cs.widener.edu> andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek) writes:
>>Ok, when was papa Dusty a heel?  And how convincing was he?
>
>In the late 60's-early 70's he was a mega-heel with tag
>partner Dick Murdoch.  They can be seen in the 1973 Vern
>Gagne movie ``The Wrestler'' as Dirty Dusty Rhodes and
>Dirty Dick Murdoch.  From what my dad remembers, they were
>pretty convincing heels.

I think he was also a heel in Florida...he took Oliver
Humperdink as a manager and became a heel for 
a short while.
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:12:10 -0400 
From: Jason Winn Bareford <jb8y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Definitive History of Turns
	<1992Aug14.055409.4802@news.stolaf.edu>

I have compiled these names from ALL of the previous posts

People that have always been Faces:

Brian Blair
Jim Brunzell
Carlos Colon
Greg Gagne
Owen Hart 
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Sam Houston
Junk Yard Dog
Mil Mascaras
Brian Pillman
Jim Powers
Dustin Rhodes
Bruno Sammartino
Tito Santana
Davey Boy Smith
Ricky Steamboat
Scott Steiner
Kerry Von Erich
Kevin Von Erich
Tom Zenk
Buck Zumhoff

The people that have always been heels

Cactus Jack
Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd
Diamond Dallas Page
Dr. D David Schultz
Iron Sheik
One man gang

Mr Saito was a semi-face when he beat Larry Zbyscko for the AWA title in
1989.  As for the others, well I think it's been beaten to death.


the only other names I could of were

Tully Blanchard
The Original Sheik
Papa Shango
Kamala
Tatanka
Jushin Liger
Magnum TA
The Youngbloods
 
the top list should be correct, my list I am a little hazy on.

Jason W. Bareford


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From: robertk@bnr.ca (Robert Kaczynski P765)
Subject: Cable Promo
Keywords: cable promo
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:46:36 GMT

Well I just got my cable bill, and low and behold an Ad for 
SummerSlam is in it.  Things I noticed on it:

The front basically has this:

Macho VS Ultimate Warrior

Direct from London ....

Undertaker Vs Kamala
Legion of Doom Vs Money Inc (no rocko in picture, money inc had belts)
Bret Hart Vs British Bulldog

I also saw something interesting: WWF, Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior 
and Legion of Doom had a Registered Trademark of TitanSports (the
R with a circle around it)

Everyone else had a TM...does this mean that if Undertaker left WWF 
does not have rights to that name?

Also I get the impression from the opening picture they expected 
Money Inc to have the belts and defend theier title.


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From: mfinn@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mai-Ly Finn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <Bsw7At.HGB@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>(William Grant) writes...
>>There has been some discussion about wrestlers who HAVEN'T done a
>>face or Heel turn.  The only 5 that seem to keep coming up are:
>> 
>>Tito Santana
>>Jerry Lawler
>>Owen Hart
>>JYD
>>Koko B. Ware (although there has been some speculation of a heel turn prior
>>to his current stint in the WWF)
...
>    Other candidates for a no-turn career (which I am frankly not sure about)
>and who at the very least have done very long runs without a change include:
>    Scott Steiner, Tom Zenk, Arn Anderson, Steve Austin, Barbarian and 
>Warlord (or were they once faces as Powers of Pain??), Greg Valentine, Kevin
>Nash in various incarnations, Dallas Page, El Gigante, Chris Chavis, Kamala,
>Carlos Colon and the obnoxious Marcus Alexander Bagwell (altough a heel turn
>for this bozo would be a good idea).  These are off the top of my head and may
>be inaccurate.
>    Any info on the heel or face turns of these gentlemen, please post.

Greg Valentine used to be a heel a few years ago (twice as tag-team--with
Brutus Beefcake and then with the Honky-Tonk Man), and then he became face 
for a while before he left the WWF.

Mai-Ly
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From: ottoh@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer)
Subject: [USWA] John Tatum
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22: 38:54 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:38:54 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22: 39:04 CDT


wkeller writes:

> Before the match, an eight-month-pregnant woman followed Tatum to
> the ring screaming for Tatum's attention and demanding that he
> accept responsibility for "his" child.

> Tatum finished with a line so tasteless it could only have come
> from Tatum:  "Why don't you just name the kid John Tatum, Jr.
> and throw it off a bridge?"  He really said this and GWF really 
> taped this.

I must be missing something.  Did Tatum try to kill himself by
throwing himself off a bridge or what's the "joke" here.

Oh, and yes, I do realize that John Tatum wrestles for GWF
and *not* USWA.  :-)

		--Otto "Cactus Hack" Heuer


"Indeed." --Gordon Solie
From: skar@plains.NoDak.edu (Keith Skar aka Roddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Definitive History of Turns
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:44:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19732
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <MeWrXeC00aw9QEx1Et@andrew.cmu.edu> jb8y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Winn Bareford) writes:
>I have compiled these names from ALL of the previous posts
>
>People that have always been Faces:
>Hacksaw Jim Duggan
  I could be wrong on this, but wasnt Duggan in the Ratt Pack with Ted
DiBiase in the old UWF.  And I definatly remember Duggan back in Georgia
as a heel....He hated people calling him Jim Duugan (long U sound as in Do)
I think this may have been early 80's.

>
>The people that have always been heels
>Iron Sheik

I agree that under the name Iron Shiek, he has always been a heel...but
early in his career Mid 70's AWA...He wrestled as a face under the
name Iran's Kazro Vazzari....they keep pushing the fact that he was
an Olympic Gold Medal winner.
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:16:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

SR>I am in total agreement regarding the Steiners' inability to sell. This is
  >especially true about Scott. His extent of selling moves or punishment is
  >limited to lying down for about 2 seconds and then getting up. This has been

Again, I don't think that the Steiners are unable to sell.  They just
don't sell.  That is where the booker and promoter have to take control.
I remember matches from Memphis where Scott was almost a jobber.
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Why Wrestling is Like it
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:14:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Eric,

EMC>   I think wrestling's sinking popularity has much more to do with some oth
   >things besides scandals.  First, wrestling as a fad has run its course.  Wh
   >the "boom" of the early 80's hit, many people I know became big wrestling f
   >and attended the matches and watched all the shows.  Now, although most of

By the same taoken, a lot of longtime fans were turned off as the WWF
became dominant and the form of wrestling that they enjoyed disappeared.
A lot is made of the Titan explosion of the mid 80's.  One thing to
remember though, in 1983 13.5 million people paid to see wrestling
events in North America.  LAst year, the number was less than 4 million.
Even factoring in PPV, that is still a sizable decrease.  A lot of
longtime fans were sickened by what wrestling became here in the mid to
late 1980's.  I am one of those people.  Had I not met a great friend in
Japan, who sends me tapes, I would not be a wrestling fan right now.

   >haven't a clue about any scandals, they don't care about wrestling anymore
   >because it's no longer an "in" thing.  The novelty has worn off.  Wrestling

To the adults that became fad fans, I agree.  But the kiddies still love
it.  Only now, Mom and Dad are finally wising up and turning the TV off
on Junior.

   >with poorly-produced shows on small indie stations at midnight on Saturday
   >on Sunday mornings.  People will be coming back to the arenas then, provide
   >the promotions "localize" and people feel they have something to see again

That is what the business needs.  There is no identity for the fans with
the big promotions.  There is nothing that makes the WWF coming to NYC
special anymore.

   >ouse show.  The problem with wrestling in 1992 then is not scandals but
   >fallout from the biggest boom (and most disruptive and injurious shakeup) i
   >the sport's long history.  I still maintain that most marks (75%) have no

There, I disagree.  I have heard others make the smae statement.  If a
business adapts to changes in the climate, there is no fallout to have
to deal with.  It is when a company grows stale that the industry dies.

   >idea that any scandals ever happened.  The rest don't care (and, frankly,
   >neither do I).  Scandals have had next to zero impact on the business.

I blatantly disagree.  Hulk Hogan vitamins went under.  K mart pulled
WWF merchandise from their shelves.  More than a few stations, and
advertisers dropped wrestling and the ratings went in the toilet too
quickly after the scandals to say there was no fallout.

Dave
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From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Date: 13 Aug 1992 17:05:50 GMT
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In article AA26719@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM, ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:

>How about Kevin Sullivan?  Was he ever a face?  Hard to believe if
>he was.  :-)

Absolutely. Back in the early 70's he was wrestling on the West
Coast fueding with Bob Rupp (former Olympian & Sullivan friend).
Rupp was the bad guy. Kevin brought his father to some matches &
Rupp grabbed from ringside, tossed him into the ring and gave him
the dreaded shoulder breaker "breaking" Kevin's father's shoulder.

Kevin spoke of the meals they had together over each other homes,
how his father had treated Bob as his own son....The start of a
brilliant carreer for Sullivan.

It was after this that Kevin went to the "East" to wrestle & tie
his soul to satan's wings or whatever.

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: So Long Hennig/Summer
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>| >>It has been common knowledge that Hennig's back was in bad shape.

>Yes...  it was mentioned all over the place (on r.s.p-w)  about Curt's back
>injury just before SlumberScam last year.   Shortly  thereafter, I reported
>about his insurance policy  with Lloyd's  of London,  and that  he had more
>than enough to live on from what he was getting from them.   Then last week
>(or so) I mentioned Lloyd's of London again, just in  passing.   I was just
>assuming that  everyone in  the group  was still  aware of  the severity of
>Curt's back injury.
> 
>                --Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer


   Whoops!  Perhaps I didn't make this very clear.  My fault.  I am not saying
that nobody knew about Hennig's back injury.  That was definitely common
knowledge.  What mean to say is that the *severity* of the injury was not
common knowledge.  Many people posted that they expected Hennig back for 
SummerSlam, or at least that he was gettng very close to coming back.  Of
course, Hennig is hurt much worse than these people had intially thought,
because he is most definitely not coming back in the very near future.  He
will also not risk permanent injury by returning if he is making a bundle
off of announcing and from insurance.
    Just clarifying. 

***************************************************  "Bowling isn't a sport,
Eric M. Chmiel*************************************   it's a disease."
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Tomfool)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: my $.02
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:34:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Todd Alan Padezanin <tp1e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Hi.

>Pro Wrestling is fake.  Watching it and wondering who's going to wrestle
>who next is like watching Dallas and wondering who shot JR.  It's like a
>soap opera.  It's not real.  It's scripted.  It's planned several weeks
>in advance and rehearsed to perfection.  And Vince McMahon and the heads
>of other wrestlnig organizations are complete dirtballs for marketing
>this trash to young children.

I've got to take issue with this.  IMHO, it is NOT rehearsed to perfection.
Far too often, it's obvious that the wrestlers have missed their moves.
I would agree about the marketing to children remark, but I also feel
that way about cereal manufacturers, toy companies, etc.

>However, it is good fucking comedy!  That story last year when the
>Undertaker and Paul Pringle (opps, I mean, "Paul Bearer...  oooooooo")
>"sealed" the Ultimate Warrior in a coffin was fucking hilareous!!  I've
>never laughed that hard or that long!  It was better than David
>Letterman,  the Simpsons, or Ren and Stimpy!!  The CPR was classic!!  Oh
>my god!  HE COULDA DIED!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Again, I would argue that it's not better than either the Simpsons or Ren
and Stimpy.  There are entirely too many bits which fail to be interesting,
lacking both humor and action.

>Pro Wrestling keeps me sane, at least!

I suppose taking issue with a third point wouldn't be polite... :)

Tom
From: beninsd@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: ratings
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:50:50 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

The GWF and one Whiff syndicated show will be off the air in Memphis as on 1
Sept.  The ratings were non existent.
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: John Arezzi
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:42:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

GAry,

GW>There was a very nasty flame war on Compuserve last week over the board.

A flame war?  Nah!  Why didn't you jump in?  John Arezzi posted a public
apology for the garishness of his associate.

  >Someone who turned out to be legitimately associated with Arezzi (he may eve
  >have been the guy who runs the board) was posting teasers on Compuserve
  >with a "...if you want the whole story, call the Pro Wrestling Spotlight BBS

It was the board sysop.

  >Naturally, this irritated a lot of people and their comments received the mo
  >hostile response imaginable from this guy.  When Arezzi found out he quickly
  >posted an apology, but there was a great deal of PR damage done, although
  >with the cost and distribution set-up Arezzi has implemented, it probably
  >won't make any difference.  But who knows?  He sure won't need very many
  >subscribers to break even.

The guy had the canoogies to say he was working us.  What a joke.  Gary,
do you access CIS through Usenet?  Also, can you access Usenet through
CIS?  I know that E mail can be sent.
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