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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:56:54 EST
From:         Kent Fiala <SNOKLF@VM.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Messages
X-To:         MAIL/MAILBOOK subscription list <MAILBOOK@RICEVM1.rice.edu>
              6 Apr 1992 22:53:59 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:53:59 CDT Richard A. Schafer said:
>For your amusement:  Here's an interesting little routine that can
>be used to only pop up messages when *you* want to see them, yet give
>you a flag whenever a message comes in.

I like it, but as a full-time (not just in Ricemail) user of fullscreen
CMS, I don't like the fact that it destroys the CMS-defined STATUS
vscreen and window.  Why not make up your own window named XMSG?
Also, allow for people like me who move their msgline.

/* XMSG XEDIT
   Purpose: Show the STATUS vscreen's MESSAGE flag area on the XEDIT
            message line. Pop the message window when desired.
   Author: Richard A. Schafer
   Date: April 6, 1992
   Change Activity: Suggestions from Kent Fiala
*/
Arg action
If action = '' Then action = 'POP'
Address Command
If action = 'POP' Then Do
  'WINDOW POP MESSAGE'
  Exit 0
  End
'WINDOW DELETE XMSG'
'SET WINDOW MESSAGE POP'
If action = 'OFF' Then Exit 0
Address XEDIT 'EXTRACT /LSCREEN/msgline'
c = lscreen.2 - 8
/* r = lscreen.1 - 2 */ r = msgline.2
'WINDOW DEFINE XMSG 1 8' r c '(FIXED NOBORDER POP NOT SYSTEM'
'WINDOW SHOW XMSG ON STATUS 1 12'
'SET LOCATION XMSG OFF'
'SET WINDOW MESSAGE NOPOP'
Exit

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SAS Institute Inc., Cary NC 27513 USA                 919-677-8000 x6646
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:59:22 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CUA

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:18:53 PST John Wical said:
>What is CUA?

CUA (Common User Access) is part of the IBM (International Business Machines)
SAA  (Systems  Application  Architecture).  CUA is  based  on  human  factors
research and defines  rules and guidelines for how user  interfaces should be
designed  and implemented.  CUA covers  eight  areas of  the user  interface:

1. Key usage
2. Scrolling
3. Selection
4. Help
5. Mouse usage
6. Color and emphasis
7. Data entry
8. Messages

There  are a  several manuals  that  describe SAA  and CUA.  I would  suggest
starting with the SAA Overview, GC26-4341.  Then there are two design guides,
the CUA:  Basic Interface Design  Guide, SC26-4583, which describes  the 3270
environment, and the  CUA: Advanced Interface Design  Guide, SC26-4582, which
describes the programmable workstation (e.g., OS/2) environment.

When I started  work on this version,  I decided that I would  follow the CUA
guidelines rather than  make up my own  model, since they had  done the human
factors  research  to validate  CUA.  While  changes  from the  old  RiceMail
interface may well be uncomfortable to people who have been trained to use it
(as all changes are  for a while), I have every reason  to believe that after
making the switch, people  will find the new interface at  *least* as easy to
use,  and in  many  cases, easier.  For  those users,  the  old command  line
interface is still there, unchanged, and  the major differences are in the PF
key assignments.  New users should find  the interface much easier  to learn,
and you should find it easier to teach than the previous version.

Richard
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:16:19 PDT
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: mail92 & messages
              14 Apr 1992 11:34:41 EDT from <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

Wouldn't

  address XEDIT 'MSG ...'

work as well?

Even from an EXEC?

- Yossie
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:19:51 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thoughts about Mail 92
              14 Apr 1992 10:01:02 EST from <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:01:02 EST Scott Mattes said:
>  You know that box that comes up and says 'index being built' and then
>presents you with some buttons to cancel or continue?  Part of my
>confusion there is that the msg says 'is being built' so why should I
>have to press either of the buttons?  After sitting and waiting awhile I
>remember that I have to.  Maybe this should read 'is going to be built'
>or some such.

   Good point.  I'll change the text to make this clear.


>  I really dislike all those help files that show just one liners and I
>'always' end up pressing PF1 to see the meat.  Is there an option to
>force it to ALL?


   Yes, do a DEFAULTS SET HELP DETAILS.  Apparently your CMS defaults to
having HELP only show the BRIEF section, not the full details.  The CMS
DEFAULTS command can change that.


>  I still get times when the cp msg window comes up and won't go away.
>Pf keys for quit or cancel aren't even displayes as being set in the
>window.

   I'm not sure how to respond to this one without more information.  Send
me mail directly, Scott.

>  I still find that I NEED a way on the menu to see who sent the mail
>after I have read it (or put it into another notebook).  For some reason
>I like to continue seeing that a mail item is from MAILBOOK or where
>ever.  The data is there in the UNREAD index, but I don't see a way to
>stop the FROM field from being changed to the from line of the note.
>And all the other NOTEINDX files just have 'unknown'.


   I don't believe this is possible to do at the moment, but I'll put
it on my list for future consideration.

Richard
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:35:23 EST
From:         John Hammond <MAILMNT@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject:      Missing HELP Files for 92.01.01

   MAIL HELPCMS and MAILBOOK HELPCMS are missing from the distribution.
They are both called from MAIL HELPTASK.
   CANCEL HELPMAIL is missing but I assume it is missing because the
command is being phased out (it does still work).  DISPLAY HELPMAIL is no
longer in the distribution but I assume it is excluded because of the new
design.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:52:32 EDT
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PREvious subcommand

I too fall into this, but find that doing EXIT (to menu), cursor up,
READ to work just fine for me. Sure, 3 more key strokes and one more
screen display, but in the real scheme of things it is still pretty
easy and very straight forward. I like PREVIOUS just the way it is,
but would not object to new options on it (with either default, as I
only use it off a PF key anyway :-).
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:48:32 CST
From:         Gerald Skerbitz <G-SKER@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: It would be nice if....
              9 Apr 1992 10:56:49 EST from <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:56:49 EST Scott Mattes said:
>  It sure would be nice if I could sort by all the fields that I can
>specify in the profile/pull downs.  Like, what if I want to sort the
>file on note order once I am already in the menu?
>
try
SORTUP NOTE
or
SORTDOWN NOTE

The help for SORTUP lists NOTE | FROM | TO | DATE | SUBJECT | DATE | SIZE

Gerry

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:15:24 PDT
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PREvious subcommand

Allow me to second this motion - in every single instance that I can
recall - a PREvious that went back to the last mail period rather than
the last undiscarded mail would have been more useful!  I find myself
often quiting the 'read' mode and then hiting up-arrow read only to
find that I am reading the same mail 'cause the screen was too long and
the previous mail item wasn't even displayed!  So, PREvious that just
goes back to the previous mail (option or new command) would be most
appreciated!  - Yossie
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:17:45 LCL
From:         Network Manager <NETMAN@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Option Pull Downs in MAILBOOK
              9 Apr 1992 17:10:43 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:10:43 CDT Richard A. Schafer said:
>Yes, the options set for MAIL and MAILBOOK are separate, except as
>modified by your MAILUSER or MAILSYS without regard to the command.
>
>Richard

Something ugly must have happened to the MAIL and MAILBOOK global
variables in LASTING GLOBALV.  I was getting option pull-downs in
MAILBOOK with no modifiable fields expect the push buttons.

After deleting all the MAIL and MAILBOOK related global variables
from LASTING GLOBALV and starting over everything worked as expected.

I don't have the faintest as to what I did to cause the problem.


Glenn A. Malling (NETMAN@SUVM) or netman@suvm.acs.syr.edu
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Machinery Hall
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 09:26:23 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Building indexes

Don't worry, the updated code I expect to send out in a few minutes
will allow you to log into a notebook without an index.  You'll still
get asked first, but if you say no to building an index, the logging
will go ahead anyway.

Richard
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:38:34 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      CUTPASTE error, but not RiceMail's
X-To:         Rice Mail <mailbook%ricevm1.bitnet@ricevm1.rice.edu>

red face on:

  I had just gotten a CUTPASTE off of VMSHARE and that was what was
giving the errors, not Richard's.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:56:57 WET
From:         Daniel Pellet <MNTRSCS@CGEUGE11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WNG causes MAIL to hang
              18 Mar 92 09:23:25 EST from <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

On Wed, 18 Mar 92 09:23:25 EST Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI) said:
>Call your IBM support center to see if you are missing some XEDIT
>service in this area. In the past this sort of problem has been traced
>to XEDIT.
A quick correction is to put the "SET FULLREAD OFF" commande in the
XEDIT PROFILE. Be carefull of the lost of last data typed befor "enter" key.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:34:54 CDT
From:         Darren Evans-Young <DARREN@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject:      MAILBOOK

I had a message logged in a notebook that had 7 addressees.
When I used MAILBOOK to look at this message, it only showed
the first 5 addressees. When I selected FORWARD, it showed all
of the addressees on the forward screen. Is this normal?
It had me confused for awhile, because I was sure that I had sent
this note to certain people, but MAILBOOK didnt show them all
until I forwarded the note. I think all the addresses should be
shown when in read mode.

Darren

Darren Evans-Young                                  darren@ua1vm.ua.edu
Seebeck Computer Center                             70651.2605@CompuServe.COM
The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa               (205)348-3988
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:39:25 PDT
From:         Joe Sparrow <JSPARROW@UVVM.UVIC.CA>
Subject:      Function Key setting pulldowns

I may  be braindead  (it's been a  long one) but  . .  . the Menu,  Read, and
Send Function  Key settings all list  "Prompt" assigned to PF4.  In all cases
there is something else (Print or Add Page depending on the mode) also
assigned to the key and I can't figure out what Prompt (in this context)
does or is doing there.  It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the
PROMPT/NOPROMPT Option.

Any enlightenment would be welcome.  Cheers
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:53:59 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Messages

For your amusement:  Here's an interesting little routine that can
be used to only pop up messages when *you* want to see them, yet give
you a flag whenever a message comes in.

It's a little toy I worked up to use the CMS Fullscreen STATUS vscreen,
putting a window on top of the Message flag, and displaying that window
in the last 8 columns of the Mail message area.

Type XMSG ON to setup the status window, then whenever you get a message,
you'll see "Message" in the message area.  That flag will clear the next
time you hit enter.  Whenever you want to see the messages, just type
XMSG, and the MESSAGE window will pop up.  XMSG OFF will return things
to their default state.

This is just a toy, so it assumes the new format of CMS window commands,
and I make no claims as to its perfection, etc.  But it's an interesting
example of some of the things you can do.

------------------------------- cut here --------------------------------------
/* XMSG XEDIT
   Purpose: Show the STATUS vscreen's MESSAGE flag area on the XEDIT
            message line. Pop the message window when desired.
   Author: Richard A. Schafer
   Date: April 6, 1992
   Change Activity: None
*/
Arg action
If action = '' Then action = 'POP'
Address Command
If action = 'POP' Then Do
  'WINDOW POP MESSAGE'
  Exit 0
  End
'WINDOW DELETE STATUS'
'VSCREEN DELETE STATUS'
'SET WINDOW MESSAGE POP'
If action = 'OFF' Then Exit 0
Address XEDIT 'EXTRACT /LSCREEN'
c = lscreen.2 - 8
r = lscreen.1 - 2
'WINDOW DEFINE STATUS 1 8' r c '(FIXED NOBORDER POP NOT SYSTEM'
'VSCREEN DEFINE STATUS 1 20 0 0 (TYPE PROTECT WHITE SYSTEM'
'WINDOW SHOW STATUS ON STATUS 1 12'
'SET LOCATION STATUS OFF'
'SET WINDOW MESSAGE NOPOP'
Exit
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:08:25 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: More: - +
              15 Apr 1992 10:13:38 EST from <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:13:38 EST Scott Mattes said:
>>On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:54:41 PST John Wical said:
>>>I would like to see 'More: v ^' instead of 'More: - +'

>  And isn't "- =" CUA?

Yes, "- +" is CUA, which is why I chose it.  CUA suggests
that you use arrows if you have them, but "- +" is the baseline that
works anywhere.

Richard
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:04:00 PDT
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From:         David Freedman <ECZ5DAF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: fines office

> question time again, folks.  for those of you out there who have fines offices
,
> are they part of circulation or part of something else?
>
> thanks
>
> kendall simmons
> head of circulation
> university of kansas

We have a separate billing section in our circulation
department, but all fines are paid to the Main Cashier in the
administration building.

David Freedman
UCLA
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:46:01 CDT
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From:         "Chet Farmer, Asst. Dir., Project IDEALS" <CFARMER1@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      ANNOUNCEMENT OF SAGSET CONF

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*   18-21 August, 1992       Napier University, Edinburgh, Scotland   *
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From:         "Virginia K. P. Rigby" <LIB_VKR@SHSU.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: fines office

At SHSU we have one classified staff member dedicated to keeping all the fines i
n place. The majority of her responsibilities center on blocking and un-
blocking patron's records. When the fine becomes more than $10.00 or the
patron has a lost book that has been out more than one month, the patron
must pay the university at the cashier's office. If under $10.00, we
clear the fines at the library circulation desk.

Virginia K. Peterson Rigby
Newton Gresham Library
Sam Houston State University
Huntsville, TX 77341
409-294-1488
LIB_VKR@SHSU.EDU
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Subject:      Re: circulation information for patrons

I haven't encountered negative reactions of that sort before, but there's always
a first time.  Lengths of checkout for various categories would seem to be basic
information for patrons to have on such a handout.  Perhaps this is an opportu-
nity to examine your policies with an eye to public impact.
David Shontz
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Subject:      fines office

From: "Geraldine Collins, UNF Library"

We produce and mail invoices, address fine appeals, and maintain all related fi
les within the Circulation department.  However, we collect no monies in the li
brary.  All library related charges are paid in the University's Finance and Ac
counting Office along with tuition payments, parking fines, etc.

Geraldine Collins   (904) 646-2615   GCOLLINS@UNF1VM
Head,Circulation Services, Interlibrary Loan, Course Reserves
University of North Florida Library, P.O Box 17605
Jacksonville, FL 32216
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Code of conduct
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We don't have a code as such...but wehave put signs up that say
something like "Skateboards, in-line skates (rollerblades), and roller
skates not allowed in this building."  We talked to our Campus Safety
Officer who referred us to a part of Idaho Code that says any
organization, business, state agency, etc...etc.... (about 4 lines of
agency types) can establish reasonable rules and post them.  If they
are not followed, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.  The practical
effect is we ask the person to leave.  If they refuse, we call Security
(and our Security is a Ada County Sheriffs Officer....actuallly they are
a substation).  If security asks them to leave and they don't, then
it is not only a misdemeanor based on code violation, but also "Failure
to obey the lawful order of a Peace Officer" or some such.  Fortunately,
those cases have not come up, and I hope they don't.

We weren't TOO concerned about wheels, and figured they probably didn't
hurt our carpet (it is mostly past being hurt anyway) too much, and no more
than wheel chairs or booktrucks....but then we saw people going up and down
steps on them and decided we had better look into the situation.

So, we are now protecting the University from liability, and have had no
major problems yet.  I am keeping my fingers crossed.

dan

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