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From: hubbert@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (john hubbert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Keywords: Indonesia, Java, Bali, Irian Jaya, Papua, New Guinea
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: hubbert@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (john hubbert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Hi out there

I am planning a trip to Indonesia / Papua New Guinea from
mid December to February 1. High on my list to see are:
Java (Yogyakarta), Bali, Lombok to Timor islands, Irian Jaya
and/or Papua New Guinea. Has anybody Traveled there recently?
I'm reading the Lonely Planet travel books but I am also
looking for people who have had pesonal experiences with
this area of the world. Any relavent experiences that would
help me on my journey would be appreciated.

Has anybody traveled on the Sepik in Papua New Guinea?

Thanks for any info. that you might have,

John Hubbert
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Anyone studying in Essex,UK?????
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:05:57 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <m2wpbtkn@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espbl@warwick.ac.uk (FLASH) writes:

> Almost all the Polytechnics in UK have been upgraded to University. The 
> Polytechnic of Central London has been renamed as University of West Mis.....
> (can't remember the name :-)) and The Polytechnic of Conventry as The
> University of Coventry. The University of East London suppose to be a name
> given to the upgraded Ploytechnic of East London if I am not wrong. Hope this
> help...

Just to add that north of the "border" (i.e. Scotland), most polytechnics
are also being "upgraded"  to university status e.g. Glasgow Poly to Queens
College of Glasgow, Napier Poly to Napier University etc.

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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,rec.travel.air
Subject: Sempati Air
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 22:18:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Does anybody have experience travelling on the (relatively) new
Indonesian airline Sempati Air. It seems to offer the cheapest flight
between Singapore and Jakarta.

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhkho@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Ho Hiang Kwee)
Subject: Re: Shipping mishap in SEA?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:38:24 GMT

Haven't listened to the news on radio yet (it's 7:30 am in Singapore),but
will share some news based on this morning's ST, and info on Teleview.

Two persons have been confirmed to have died in the incident - one a
Chinese S'porean, and the other an unidentified Caucasian woman. 
The majority have been rescued by passing ships which have arrived in
Singapore.

Some 17 people are still unaccounted for - the figures will probably
take a while to stabilise as casualties were taken to hospitals in
Port Dickson etc. as well.

survivors were generally very critical of the multi-national crew who
were more interested in saving themselves than the passengers (of
whom about 260 were Singaporeans). The cruise ship Royal Pacific was
on a weekend "cruise to nowhere" trip, and was to have returned to
Singapore on Sunday evening, when it was hit near the stern by
a Taiwanese fishing vessel at about 2:30 am sunday morning.

Survivors on the deck at that time said that they actually could see the
vessel heading straight for their ship, and thought that it would
definitely turn away before the collision. Unfortunately it
didn't! Within 40 minutes, the Royal Pacific sank.

the two ships which picked up most of the survivors were the Japanese
cargo ship Mariza, and the Cyprus registered Chapaevsk. About seventeen
of those have been hospitalised in Singapore.

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Nanyang Technological Univ.,   ||    Phone: +65 799-5499 
Nanyang Ave., Singapore 2263.  ||    Fax:   +65 791-1859
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: open letter/Dwight/apologies
Date: 22 Aug 92 07:30:00 GMT
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics

In article <1992Aug21.035517.12451@latcs1.lat.oz.au> koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) writes:
|
|Dwight,
|
|	go demand an apology from each of the followings:
|
|		1. josef stalin
|		2. saddam hussein
|		3. idi amin (sp?)
|		4. adolf hitler
|		5. mao zhidong
|		6. alexandra the great
|		7. chenghis khan
|		8. julious ceaser
|		9. peter the great
|		10. etc., etc......
| 

You left out the relevant ones

                10. Hirohito and Tanaka

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:14:12 GMT

echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
: 
: But it is virtually impossible to pass a qualifying exam at a given
: school if you don't take courses from that school. At Princeton, where

I took/passed the written qualifier for computing at UPenn.
some years ago. I don't think it needed a great deal more
than  stuff I was taught as an undergrad in UK.
The qualifier had a disastrous passing rate of <30%.
But then most of those who took it didn't have the benefit
of a British undergrad computing education.

                                Limsoon Wong.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Reply-To: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:50:37 GMT

In article <65213@cup.portal.com>, hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu
alam) writes:

|> I take it when you discuss this massive wave of immigrants to Singapore
|> you do not include Malaysians who have Malayisan passports, and 
|> Singaporian equivalent of permanent residence? How about Indonesians
Yes, they are included.
|> in similar situaltions?
Yes, they are also included.

Please refer to article 11080 in this newsgroup.

--
Arthur
From: t9114206@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:02:59 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Sep2.094239.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, tsuanian@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.232000.3426@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
>> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann):
>>>
>>> lao jiao ==> lan jiao ==> "blue bird"
>>> it is not blue bird, though it is a "bird" of some sort.
>> 
>> Enough!  It's "human bird" (in Hokkien).  Try saying "lan(3) jiao(4)"
>> (prick) and then "lan(2) jiao(4)" (human bird).  Would you agree that
>> it's easier to say the former than latter?  Would you also agree that
>> swearing with "lan(3) jiao(4)" is more effective than "lan(2) jiao(4)"
>> because the former can be stressed with a falling and followed quickly
>> by an explosive rising inflexion?  There you have it.  Case closed.
>> 
>> Of course, this is only my conjecture.
>> 
>> Now, can we move on to its Yin equivalent?
>> 
>> 
>> -Num
> Could somebody in netland PURLEESE tell me what those digits in
> brackets mean????? Um, I dont EXACTLY speak mandrin (o.k I don't
> speak mandrin at all) som make the explanations simple huh.
> As we say here in Oz,  KISS (Keep it Simple, Stupid).
> 
>>-)  B-) 8-)
> 
We have a few linguists here huh ! I think it's best to go back to the basics!
ie refer to your chinese dictionary where the proper "ping ying" are
illustrated .  
From: selee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lee Say Eng)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:37:38 GMT
Subject: Singlish is spreading
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean


One of the notes servers within HP keeps really old messages.  Yesterday,
I read some stuff on "Singlish" written way back in February.  And in the 
message, "Kyle Hor" said that she would really like to listen to someone
speak Singlish.  It seems to me that she has already begun to write 
Singlish!

(I don't mean to be offensive; am merely writing this for fun.  I had
this sudden surge of good memory for names and thought I might just
use it).

> Most shops (in shopping areas) open between 10am-11am and close between 9pm-10pm.
> Saturday hours tend to be longer, e.g. many closes at 11pm.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> ...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                        February stuff 

------------------------------------------------------------------------


khor@bcarh784.bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

>In article <62867@apple.Apple.COM>, kchen@Apple.COM (Kok Chen) writes:
>|> 
>|> It is interesting that people are discussing "Sing"-lish.  Isn't
>|> English spoken in very much the same manner anymore in Malaysia?
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> Is it today only confined to Singapore?
>|> 
>|> Being originally neither from Malaya nor Singapore, I did find 
>|> what is today called Singlish quaint but highly addictive. :-)
>|> As an outsider, I see nothing whatsoever wrong with it.  Let
>|> the pedant flame on as much as they want.
>|> 
>So do I.  It is refreshing to see written Singlish.  Oh, how I wish I could 
>hear it as well.  It's been a while.
>|> 
>...Kyle

The discussion is not centered on the hows and whys of the language, as
its place in academics. Until and when the Singapore Govt legitmises it, there can be no legal use of the "Singlish" nguage. And we can argue till our faces are blue or till the cows come home, does it really affect what Singlish is, was, or will be??
If your intention is to hear it for nostaligia sake, by all means, do so.   

Bin Ong
Univ of Illinnois

From khor@bcarh784.bnr.ca Tue Feb 18 05:04:44 1992
Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4  1990/05/09; site hpmaletb.mal.hp.com
From: khor@bcarh784.bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1992 21:04:44 GMT
Date-Received: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 10:30:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Singlish as I see it........
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: khor@bcarh784.bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)

I'm sorry but I do not get the point that you are trying to make.  Of course
the S'pore govt would not endorse Singlish - as is clear in their weak attempt
to promote Queen's English.  

And yes, I'm dying for somebody to speak Singlish to me.  Anything wrong with
that?

...Kyle

P/S If I do not followup further postings, it is because the server (nrc net)
    that I get my feed from has a high drop rate.  And I sometimes have 
    difficulty following a discussion due to missing articles.  My sincere
    apologies. 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:37:17 GMT

In article <ges.17.0@boris.net.com>, ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug19.224159.3313@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
> >From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
> >Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
> >Date: 19 Aug 92 12:41:59 GMT
> 
> >sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli):
> 
> >>Numero Uno:
> >>> ... Then came the liberalisation of soft-porn movies to
> >>>titillate population growth.  ...
> 
> >>  This is odd usage if I ever saw one. Soft-porn movies become
> >>  "liberalized", and they go on to "titillate" the growth of
> >>  the population.
> 
> >It's Singlish; words (in this case the gerund "screening") are
> >sometimes omitted, if the meaning is obvious from the context.
> 
> >An example:
> 
> >        I got very kind mother
> >        (Here "mother" is non-specific because it is obvious
> >        to the speaker that she has only one mother)
> 
> >Another example:
> 
> >        I cook myself
> >        (I cook for myself)
> 
> This is bad language. Perhaps it would be better if Singlish was not
> encouraged.
> 
> 
> >-Num
> 
> 
Who defines 'bad language' anyway? Who's to say it ain't right. I'm sure
even Henry Higgins would have no objection to Singlish as a varient of 
English. Afterall, getting people to say Toe-may-to instead of Toe-mar-to
(or was it the other way round) is like debating over whether eggs should
be cracked from the big ends or the small ends.

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:50:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.235334.18106@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>One prevalent aspect of Chinese-culture which I believe is negative is its
>predilection for xenophobia. Note the fact that not too long ago, the Chinese
>referred to Caucasians as "Hong Mo Kwai"(red-haired ghosts), Malays as "Ma Lai
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~                                 ~~~~~~
>Kwai"(Malay ghosts), "Ke ling Kwai", "Hak Kwai", "Yap Poon Kwai", etc. And that
 ~~~~                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just to point out that these phrases are Cantonese.

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From: s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chew Ming Ean)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Anyone studying in Essex,UK?????
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:02:01 GMT

waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:

>>Could you please tell me the internet address of the
>>
>>Uni. Of East london.

>Is there a Univ. Of East London ? I studied at U of London and never heard
>of U of East London. Perhaps it's a recent addition. Can someone enlighten
>me ?
>From the subject topic, perhaps you mean U of Essex ?


>waseem

Waseem,
Uni. Of East London, is brand new. It seems that they were a Polytechnic
Of East London (I think) earlier this year.

So if anyone has the internet address.....

could you kindly send it to me please 

Thanks
Ming

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From: GJM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Sempati Air
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:36:45 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I'm not sure what information you're looking for, but I flew Sempati several
times in january between singapore and jakarta - in general I'd say they're
the same if not a little better than most commuter airlines.
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From: limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:27:22 GMT

kkc@ece.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua) writes:
: 
: >
: If you strongly believes that the British computing eduation is better,
: why then
: did you go to UPenn? Why didn't you stay in a British U for you graduate
: school instead? 

First of all, although I clearly favour a British undergrad
education, I have not indicated that I favour a British
postgrad education. Incidentally, I think if you are doing
research work to satisfy your own curiosity, the country
that you do your research in doesn't matter that much;
it is what and whom you have access to that is likely
to have some impact.

Second, after you have been in the same place for a few years,
you do want to see the rest of the world, don't you? 

Thirdly, as UPenn is at least as strong as the best schools
anywhere for researching in logic and computation. It is
also strongly interdisciplinary. Since I find it matches
my area very well, isn't the choice natural?

Besides, I wasn't talking which U. are better. If you
checked my messages, you should notice that I was
(1) correcting the misinformation that you have to
take courses to get a PhD in USA,
(2) correcting the misinformation that you need to
take courses to pass a qualifier, and
(3) (this message) replying to your strange question.

								  Limsoon Wong.


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From: therese@crchh588.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Therese McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:28:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.023823.18371@openage.openage.com>, ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes:
|> jkatz@netcom.com (Joseph Katz) writes:
|> 
|> >In my opinion, if you want to travel to Asia on the cheap look at Korean
|> >Airlines, and, of course, visit a discount ticket broker.  If you don't
|> >have any idea where to find a broker, go to your local ethnic market and
|> >ask someone.
|> 
|> Agreed regarding Korean Air being cheap.  I am
|> flying to HK from Washingron, DC for $850 during Christmas time.
|> 
|> I checked out many ethnic travel agents and I
|> found a better deal at a travel agency who seems to
|> have a special deal with Korean Air.
|> 
|> Korean air seems to be lowballing the other other airlines
|> to drive up the market share.  Similiar in practice to what
|> the Japanese did in the 1960's and 70's.  Korean Air is
|> intending to become a major player in the international
|> marketplace.

Has anyone ever flew Korean Airlines?  I agree that their prices are much
cheaper than other airlines, but my travel agent discouraged me from using
them because she said they were like 'cattle cars'.  I don't want to spend
12+ hours flying uncomfortably....if anyone can confirm or deny this I would
appreciate it!

Thanks,
Therese McCarthy (therese@bnr.ca)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: jayas@vast.unsw.edu.au (Jayasooriah)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:54:52 GMT

ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
: In article <1992Aug19.224159.3313@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
: >From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
: >sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli):
: 
: [ stuff deleted ]
: 
: >An example:
: 
: >        I got very kind mother
: >        (Here "mother" is non-specific because it is obvious
: >        to the speaker that she has only one mother)
: 
: >Another example:
: 
: >        I cook myself
: >        (I cook for myself)
: 
: This is bad language. Perhaps it would be better if Singlish was not
: encouraged.

I do not think it is bad language.  It looks more like a direct word
for word translation from Chinese to English!  And that IMO is not
Singlish.

Jaya

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From: daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:04:19 GMT

paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>The publication Kompas (Indonesia) reports that the Indonesian
>government is contemplating buying SCUD missiles. Given the relatively
>short range (less than 1000 miles) what forces would they be used
>against?

That's really strange. The only real target for Scud's from Indonesian
territory would be Singapore.  Unless, of course, they had nuclear
warheads.  But since Indonesia doesn't have 1) nuclear warheads or
2) extremely threatning neighbors, I think we can conclude that they are
trying to keep up with the "Joneses."

What I would like to know is WHO Indonesia would buy them from.

Daniel at UIUC
-- 
Daniel R. Sawyer
daniel-sawyer@uiuc.edu

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From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Semi-Pro League
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:46:25 GMT

Thanks a lot to Edward for posting the Semi-Pro results for the
entire season.  Those messages will be missed, at least by me.
I wonder if anyone can post the results of Malaysia Cup playoff.
BTW:
(1) what is the rules of relegation/promotion playoff?
(2) and Edward, where are you going ?

Kelvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Singaporean by-elections
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:42:58 GMT

Does anyone have any news pertaining to the by-elections supposed to
be held sometime soon in Singapore?

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: open letter/Dwight/apologies
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:35:40 GMT

In article <ges.35.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:

   ......
|
|I have heard of all of them and more. You will notice that a significant 
|majority of people where these groups originate don't like them. In coutries
|like Germany, the past is an embarrasement. Is all this the same in oriental
|coutries? Bear in mind that the tian mein riots were only a drop in the 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^

What is it? A kind of noodles? Heavenly noodles?


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