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From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What do you do when your kid things Metallica is cool?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:10:33 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

Oh, hey, I tell you, going to different concerts and seeing what audience
is there is half the trip.  The difference between the crowds I saw at..

AC/DC...
James Taylor...
Crosby, Stills, and Nash...
Rez Band...

was amazing, with the second two I was in the company of OLD PEOPLE.  (says I,
running my hand over my rapidly thinning scalp...)


--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .     
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Re: bilingual kids
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:58:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


Somebody (forgot the name, sorry) wrote:
> ... So I figured, maybe, I could teach my wife my dialect.  That way,
> we could converse in my dialect and the baby will grow up hearing us
> converse.  Sounds simple ?  Boy, is it difficult !  My wife and I have
> been having daily 30 minutes sessions with me giving her drills on my
> dialect's grammar etc.  So far, I've not seen real good progress...

Let me speak up for the poor adult language learner in this situation.
Believe me, it will be much, much easier for your wife to learn your
dialect by listening to you speak it with the child, not by being
drilled in grammar.  Immersion works, even when you're grown up and
even when you think you have no language aptitude.  My husband spoke
Catalan to our daughter from birth, and I was surprised to find that
I learned to understand it along with her.  In the first week, I learned
how to say "let's change diapers" and "you have the hiccups", and we
progressed from there.  Now that Emma is 3, she understands some things
I don't, but I follow everything if I'm really paying attention.

I think the key for my learning seems to be that when Eduardo talks
to Emma, he talks the way an adult talks to a child.  There's lots
of body language, lots of context, and lots of different clues (props,
things repeated in slightly different ways) to what he's saying.
These are extremely helpful.  When he turns to me and brings up 
an adult topic in Catalan using adult intonations, I have a much
harder time unless it's a topic we've discussed before in Catalan
and I'm really familiar with the vocabulary.

Eduardo has been completely faithful about not speaking English to
Emma, but we now think he made a mistake in allowing her to speak
English to him.  As a result, her comprehension is great, but her
speaking ability in Catalan is not so good.  We're trying to change
that, but it's much easier to set habits from the beginning than
to fix them later.

I don't feel excluded at all, by the way, even when I'm not following
closely so I miss things in the conversation.  Emma is very proud
of knowing two languages, and we're all happy we chose to do this.

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to help the "oops" of a family...
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <BxoBLz.JnE@inews.Intel.COM> vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
>
>In article <4570293@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com>, janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane
>Marcus) writes:
>So I believe that having the
>|> knowledge of being unplanned was a bad thing.  I would urge parents
>|> to keep this information to themselves.
>
>Not necessarily.  Like any other piece of information, it depends how it
>is presented.  I also was an "oops"--the sixth child when my mom was 40
>and dad was 44.  I remember my mom being honest with me and telling me....
>
>Valerie

  I agree with Valerie; I was an "oops", due only 17 months after the birth
of my older sister.  My mom was always very clear on the subject -- she was
horrified when she found out she was pregnant again.  She always told me
that she kept thinking "but I already have a baby".  However, she was
equally clear about the fact that by the time I was born, she was as
thrilled as she was for either of my (planned) sister's births.  Plus, I
had the good fortune to be a "good", "easy" baby so her recounting of my
first year of life is suffused with a rosy glow of happiness that is never
as evident as when she talks about my sisters' babyhoods.
  I appreciated my mom's candor, given that it had a "happy" ending, and
she clearly meant every word.  I don't remember a time when I didn't know
I was an "accident", but I equally don't remember a time when it bothered
me in the least.  I knew I was loved, and the fact that I wasn't expected
didn't change the fact that I'd been loved from birth.  And, if she hadn't
been truthful with me early on, it would have been harder, I think, when
I got older and started to do some arithmetic on my own.
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: flower girl dress needed
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:48:49 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

>  My daughter has just been asked to be the flower girl in my sister-in-law's
>wedding.  I went out yesterday to look for a white dress for her to
>wear for the wedding, the only ones I found cost $70-$100.  

Wow!!!  $70-$100???.  That's outrageous.  How about looking in 
consignment stores.  Dresses like this are rarely worn more than 
once or twice, so they should be in good shape and you can 
usually pick them up for little or nothing.
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 2 simple experiments with magnets
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:15:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     Our grandpa showed my cousins and I a neat "magic" trick over the
weekend, and I thought I'd share it with everyone.  You need:
     A strong magnet
     A shoebox with a cover
    A table
     A 40-inch long piece of thread
    A metal paper clip

     Put the magnet inside one end of the box.  Put some books inside the
box to hold it down, then cover the box.  Sit the box on a table so the end
with the magnet hangs over the edge.
     Tie the paper clip to one end of the thread.  Put the opposite end
of the thread on the floor dirctly under the magnet, and sit another book
on this end.
     Raise the paper clip toward the box, and adjust the thread's length,
pulling the thread from beneath the book, until the clip is held up without
falling.  Stand back, and you will see the paper clip floating in mid-air.
     Since magnet fields extend in all directions and pass through the
cardboard shoe box, the clip is attracted by the field, but is kept from
sticking to the box by the thread.

-----------------
     Here's a way to make a compass.  You need:
     A needle
     A magnet
     A bowl of water
     A 1/4-inch to 1/2-inch thick cork.

     Magnetize the needle by stroking it at least 50 times in 1 direction with
either end (pole) of the magnet.
     Float the cork in the bowl of water.  Carefully center the needle on the
cork.
     THe magnetized needle will be attracted to the Earth's magnetic field
and turn north toward it.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
   "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
thyself*." Luke 10:27           : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby spitting up
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:20:13 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

My brother was apparently like this.  My mother said she always burbed him with
his head pointing at the kitchen sink.  She also said out that 1 ounce of
liquid can spread over a very large area, so large spit-ups may not be as large
as they seem to be.

BTW he did outgrow this without medical intervention.

-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Loving the disobedient was (Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:17:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1eegvpINNdr6@smaug.West.Sun.COM>
dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:

>Are you looking for opportunities to be offended?
>[...]
>Or are you looking for opportunities to be offended?

I think a more relevant question is what *you* are looking for. I have
searched my extensive files of text extracted from this thread, and can
find no previous contribution from you. Your redirection of followups
says it all.

>You have the option to add Judy to
>your killfile if you find her words insulting.  I happen to think her
>posts and opinions are quite worth reading.

If you were capable of reading between the lines of my posts, you would
understand that I have not the slightest intention of putting Judy in a
killfile. Indeed, in the case of the particular message to which you are
so strangely responding, even a minimal ability to read between the lines
is unnecessary.

I agree that her posts and opinions are worth reading. She is also quite
capable of replying on her own behalf, without any dubious assistance from
you.

But you have given me an excellent idea, nevertheless. 

In two years of reading Usenet, I have never had any use for a killfile.
As from today, however, I have one.

And guess who's the sole occupant? (Hint: it's not Judy.)

>Not much in here about kids

You said it.
--
Angus H. Rodgers  (PhD student), | arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk  
Dept. of Computer Science, Queen | [ +44 | 0 ] 71 975 5241   
Mary & Westfield College,  Mile  | "But what is contact? No two points
End Rd., London E1 4NS, England  | are in contact." -- A.N. Whitehead.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: FAQ keepers needed
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:25:42 GMT

I am currently keeping too many FAQ files and would like to find
someone to take over some of them.  They don't need organizing, just
someone to respond to requests for them:

   circumcision
   gestational diabetes

These could use some organizing, but I'd be willing to do it before
giving them away:
   baby sleep places
      	    has info on crib mattresses
      	    bassinets and other newborn places to sleep
      	    (ought to have crib to bed stuff, but I didn't save it)

   fiber/constipation
   backpain in middle pregnancy

If you're interested in taking one of these over, please let me know!

Thanks!


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zarecki@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Deanna Zarecki)
Subject: Re: Cute Things They Say (3.9)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:59:30 GMT


	Here's one by (3.8) year old Stephan:

Mommy, you can't pee!  
  	Why not? (with a smile ear to ear because I knew what was coming)
You don't have a penis!

   OK, OK so everyone's heard that one, how about

	Yesterday Stephan was eating a banana, my husband (Todd) seen him
coming away from the side of the TV with a guilty look.  He asked him, "Where
did you put the banana peel?"  Stephan simply replied, "It went home."
Todd said, "Show me please,"  Stephan pointed to the furnace vent. (Old home
with 1 1/2 inch vent slats).  Stephan added, "They all went home."  Todd,
of course was mortified and this was when I decided to call home to see how
things were going.  Todd is ranting and raving while explaining the situation 
to me.  While I was still on the phone, he takes off the vent, reaches down,
and starts yelling, YUCK! GROSS! THERE'S ENOUGH BANANA PEELINGS DOWN HERE FOR
TWENTY BANANAS!  I of course am laughing histerically (because I'm at work 
and don't have to deal with it!)  He's saying "It's not funny, stop laughing,
this is disgusting!"  When we asked Stephan "WHY" he just said they wanted
to go home.  Who knows how that mind works sometimes!

OR

Mommy, can I play with your maputer  (my computer)

and he always says anything instead of nothing or anywhere instead of   
nowhere!   Gez, he really confuses me sometimes

Deanna


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:05:57 GMT
Keywords: Brio

Mary just called to tell me that a catalog arrived today that has
pictures of the Brio-compatible Thomas stuff.  She called and they
said it'll be coming in Nov 30 (she actually saw some of the pieces
in a local store and said they look good).  Anyhow, info for the
interested.  It was the Learn and Play Catalog, and was the Holiday,
1992 issue.  The Thomas stuff is on page 10 and their number is
800-247-6106.

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
	ssa@usl.com
From: juliar@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Julia Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:41:16 GMT
Subject: Montessori to public school?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I would like to hear from parents whose children have made the
transition from a Montessori school to a traditional school.  My
daughter is kindergarten age currently.  She has been at her Montessori school for
3 years (since she was 2.5).  I am trying to decide what school to send
her for elementary.  

Things that she and I concerned about:

1) Sitting at a desk

2) She will be reading fairly well by the end of the year.  Is it a
problem, reading before 1st grade?

3) In the tradition of Montessori, she is learning to write cursive
instead of printing.  Any problems here?

4) She is used to choosing her work.  Working at her own individual
pace.  Is this transition hard?

My preference would be to send her to the local public school, primarily
for social reasons.  
1) the school is bigger with more children
2) she is an only child and having neighborhood friends would be great.
3) The kids would be from a wide viariety of socio-economic backgrounds.
I would like her to have a larger life experience.  Also, I am hoping
that she will understand better necessity vs luxury.   

I will be talking to the local public school and observing in January.
Any help on questions to ask would be appreciated.
From: Hebe.B.Quinton@dartmouth.edu (Hebe B. Quinton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Dancing Bears
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:29:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Does anyone know the particulars of a song about grandpa dancing with
bears?  I caught 1/2 of it on the radio, but missed what it was called,
or who has recorded it.  Sorry this is so vague, but I can't carry a
tune in a bucket, and only generally remember the song - just thought
it was charming!

Hebe Quinton
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal)
Subject: Re: Baby spitting up
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:42:01 GMT

Paula Burch (pburch@bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: 
: In article <1992Nov17.182554.21604@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov 
: (Diana Choi) writes:
: |> A friend of mine has a small baby who spits up LOTS after eating.  He's
: |> only about 3 months old and has been doing this for a while.  The doctor
: |> says he looks fine...seems to be gaining weight but poor mom gets
: |> drenched after almost every feeding.  (He's breastfed).  Anyone else
: |> have that problem?  
: 
: Yes!
: 
: |> Is this something to worry about?
: 
: Not if the doctor isn't worried.
: 
: My baby has two main hobbies. One is spitting up--the other is eating 
: twice as much as he needs so that he has something to spit up. Both
: are lots of fun, in his opinion.
: 
: Be glad he's breastfed--formula spit-up stinks, and makes nasty black 
: stains on clothing. Breastmilk spit-up doesn't even have an odor for 
: the first three months, and it doesn't stain at all.
: 

My 6+ month old has perfected the spit-up to what we call 'making
cheese', i.e., spitting up partially digested milk, and it SMELLS.
He's breast-fed and with starting solid (he eats everything in
sight or he gets very upset that we are holding out on him) the
'cheese' he makes can be very colorful!  I basically have two
sets of clothes:  work/decent clothes and baby clothes, I try
never to touch my son while I'm in the former.

: It's kind of handy, as the excess breastmilk produced in response to 
: his demand represents a reservoir for when his appetite increases. 
: During growth spurts, he hardly spits up at all.
: 
: One gets very good with a burp cloth....
: 

We call ours 'spit-up blankets' to put over the shoulders and we
never go anywhere without at least one.


: By the way, my baby is 6.8 months old and still a terrible spitter. 
: The end is not in sight for your friend.
: 
: Paula Burch
: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu


Ditto.  Isn't parenthood wonderful.....

Nuhad Jamal
njamal@amherst
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: episiotomies.....your doctor is lazy
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1426@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, psybc806@emory.edu (Elise G. Jacobs) writes...
> 
>If you do end up tearing, it isn't much generally, and you will be sewed up,
>just as if you had an episiotomy, but you won't rip as much as the epis. would
>have been.  Stories of haywire tearing are RARE and are used as scare tactics
>against women who dare to coop the doctor's ultimate power. 
> 
>make sure your file says
>"NO EPISIOTOMY unless I start to tear" and make sure all the doctors know
>that that is in the file and that you are dead serious that you expect them
>to adhere to your medical wishes.

First you say that tears generally are small and don't rip as 
much as an episiotomy, then you say to put in my file "no episiotomy 
unless I start to tear."  Why would I say that if the tear will 
probably be smaller than the episiotomy?  Seems to me I would 
just say "no episiotomy."  (If a medical emergency occurred, I'm 
sure they would let me change my mind.)

Not trying to give you a hard time, just want to get this all 
straight.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Barbie's Measurements
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:37:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.180448.6671@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

>Does anyone else think Barbie looks deformed?

No nipples and no sex organs?  Yes, one might consider that
deformed.  (I forget - does she have toes?  A navel?)  She also
has no body hair, but that could be attributed to shaving (didn't
know Barbie was so kinky, did you?).

We won't even DISCUSS Ken.

>I noticed she seems not to have enough room in her torso
>for a normal complement of internal organs.  Do some women actually
>grow up expecting to look like this?  wow -- it boggles the mind. ;)

Unfortunately, many women grow up not only expecting to look like this,
but striving to do so and hating themselves if they don't.  Some actually
succeed, and I agree, THEY look deformed.

One of the many tasks we face as parents is fostering enough self-
esteem and body-acceptance in our children that they don't end up
starving themselves in an attempt to be "beautiful".  Sarah hears on
a regular basis that she's beautiful.  I hope everyone's kids do.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hanna sizes
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:18:25 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

In article <3906@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
>This isn't necessarily true.  I haven't had the same good experiences
>with Hanna Anderson as some others on the net.

I actually wanted to comment on someone *else's* comment that
Hanna's sizing was always right on (i.e. if it said X pounds, Y
inches, that was that). That's not been the case for David ---
his Hannas have been consistently too short in the body and too
long in the arms and legs. And he's not a gigantic baby, just 23
pounds and 29 inches at 9 months. The denim romper I bought him
in an 80 is now getting tight in the body, and the 90's I bought
him are still *way* too long in the arms and legs, but only a
smidgeon longer in the body. So, again, call and get dimensions
and compare to outfits that fit your baby now.

I also don't really like their T-shirts. They're outrageously
priced ($22 for a t-shirt!?), and kind of thin. The sweatpants
are fantastic, though.  And that denim romper is incredibly cute!

Washing the colors in hot water is a bit of a pain, too.

Another baby-clothes hound,

Lindsay
-- 

   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
   Exploratory Studies Group		ucbvax!sesame.lbl.gov!lindsay
   Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory		(510) 486-5009
From: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mattresses
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:08:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov17.133134.24909@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm interested in any information you folks could
>provide re: purchasing a mattress for a baby's crib.  
>I really don't know where to start.  
>Specifically what brands are ok, better, best? 
>What should I look for re: firmness, etc.  Any and all information
>would be greatly appreciated.  If there's enough interest,
>I will post a summary.
>
>Thanks much -
>Kathy
>due 2/25/93

I had asked the same question about a week ago.  I am forwarding
what I have collected to Kathleen.  If anyone else is interested,
please let me know at sylvia@maple.njit.edu..

		-- sylvia (3/21/93)