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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Rave -- Seattle/Portland
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:30:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <PEZELY.92Jul28020537@jabberwock.all-the-world's-a-rave> pezely@hitl.washington.edu (Pez) writes:
>
>At the Rave Nation (vancouver,seattle,portland) party last month, there were
>flyers for another rave going on this weekend.  here are the phone numbers for
>monthly times/locations. 
>
>portland: 503/299-5683 fri, july 31
>seattle: 206/726-9062  sat, aug 1
>
>if anyone happens to be going to the seattle one, drop me a few packets... 
>i'd be interested in meeting fellow net.ravers.  :)
>
>-pez
>pez@hitl.washington.edu



Hey, was it put on by Blonde Indian productions?  If it was, I know the 
promoters (they put on most portland "raves"  <--note quotes signifying
loose grammar) and I'd be glad to hear they are still doing that kinda thing...
the last thing they did before I moved to S.F. was take over a pick-up bar
on Thursday nights for a techno night.  A more underground undertaking would
be a cool effort for Manoj and the gang.

-Howard
-- 
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Howard Berkey						howard@netcom.com
Genius, n.:
	A chemist who discovers a laundry additive that rhymes with
"bright".
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira)
Subject: Re: New Beltran (FYAMF)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.095054.22445@spider.co.uk> gavinm@spider.co.uk (Gavin McCallum) writes:
>I was reading Mix Mag last night,and it showed Joey Beltrams Top 10.
>No:8 in his chart was a track of his own called "Fuck You Motherfuckers".
>Has anyone heard this?,is it old or new and if it's new when's it getting
>released?.

   Awfully modest of him to put his own track only at No.8.  About 2 weeks
ago I picked up a six track EP by Beltram called 'Demo EP Part One'.

 Tracks:

Machines
Fuck You All, Motherfuckers
Metal Maniac
Get Into Life
She Ain't Coming Home
Warning

In my opinion, FYAM is the worst track on this.  In fact, I almost didn't
buy this because I didn't like FYAM.  I'm glad I did, as I really like the
other 5 tracks.  Machines is quite wicked while Metal Maniac takes the
marriage of techno and thrash metal to a logical conclusion.  Definitely
worthwhile on the 'WHITE 006' label from Belgium.

-Chris Teixeira

P.S.  Doubt I'll get any feedback but is anything good and techno-like
      happening in Toronto this weekend (Thurs. night through Monday)?

P.P.S.  Yippee....Mayhem is spinning at the Loading Zone again (supposedly)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc,rec.music.reviews
From: laural@cbnewsl.att.com
Subject: Orb U.F.Orb Limited Edition Goodies
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:12:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Summary: More details than you'd ever want to know
Original-From: laura@usl.com (Laura L La Gassa)
Keywords: If you aren't a rabid fan, don't bother to read this post.


Okay, here's more data than you'd probably ever need on that Limited
Edition 3-vinyl-album Orb thing I mentioned the other day.

Limited Edition
U.F.Orb
513 911-1
BLRLA 18

double vinyl package with 2 art prints & a free live album:  "adventures
beyond the ultraworld:  patterns & textures video soundtrack"

I bought mine at:	Rebel Rebel	
			319 Bleecker St.
			New York, NY 10014
			(212)-989-0070
			$39.98

They also had at least 3 copies of a simillar set without the "free"
Ultraworld album, this was priced at about $10 less.

Blue vinyl outer sleeve.
Inner sleeve -- U.F.Orb with starbust spacecraft orbiting Earth/Moon system
	Album 1 sleeve -- seafoam green with craters of the moon
	Album 2 sleeve -- deep blue with outline of a famous time-lapse shot
		of what I believe is the Mt. Palomar observatory

Prints (approx. 7" x 7", full color):
	1 -- weird shapes (including a bird's head) in shades of blue, drawn
		sort of like a view of a sculpture exhibit in a museum
	2 -- dogs flying through the air around columns shaped like missiles,
		with an Einstein-like figure at the controls of something

Tracks:
	Side One
	o.o.b.e		12:51
	u.f.orb		 6:08
	
	Side Two
	blue room	17:03
	
	Side Three
	towers of dub	15:00

	Side Four	
	close encounters 10:27		
	majestic	 11:06
	sticky end	 00:49

	Bonus Side One	(no times listed on the label)
	intro...
	little fluffy clouds
	earth (gaia)
	towers of dub (part 1)

	Bonus Side Two
	towers of dub (part 2)
	perpetual dawn
	star 6 & 7 8 9
	outlands
	outro

If you really liked the original "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" you'll
really enjoy "U.F.Orb" and the "Patterns & Textures" album.  This is all
spacey, ambient, sleepy, layered, complex waves of sounds.  

Laura
From: zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Re: "Ask Alice...", anyone?
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:08:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

In article <13647@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>"And remember
> What the door mouse said
> Keep your head
> Keep your head"
>
	Sometimes when I listen to it, I hear "keep your head," yet other
times I hear "feed your head." Works both ways, but still..

-- 
  _Sameer_Parekh_zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM_zane@infopls.chi.il.us__________________
 / STOP The War on Rights          | | Restore liberty in the United States \
 | "Specialization is for Insects" | | Vote Libertarian 1992          ______/
 \________- Robert A. Heinlein_____/ \_ap.2363@cupid.sai.com (anon)__/
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard the new 808 State?
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:16:05 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) writes:

> Please, could someone review the new 808 State? I can't bear the
> anticipation. 

"*What* new 808 State?" he asked.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: wats@next11csc.wam.umd.edu (Bryan Paul Wats)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: CHART: Dance 15 (May 30 1992)
Keywords: dance chart Netherlands
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:59:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Jul30.145903.22896
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park


Hello ravers,

	A short while ago I posted a message to find out if there was any  
interest in a Dutch dance chart. Well, I got several enthusiastic  
reactions, so I'll start posting two recent ones. Unfortunately I cannot  
post the very latest, because it takes the mailman (or woman) about 6  
weeks to deliver my copy of Oor (the music magazine).
	Enjoy anyway.

Dance 15	(May 30 1992)

 1 ( 9) MURDER SHE WROTE (12) - Chakadomus & Pliers (Taxi)
 2 ( 4) VOICES (12) - KC Flight (RCA)
 3 (--) LET'S GET HAPPY (12) - Mass Order (Sony)
 4 (--) MAYDAY (12) - Westbam (Low Spirit)
 5 (--) MAKE YOU WHOLE (12) - Andronicus (FFrreedom)
 6 ( 8) THE TRAVELLER EP (12) - Father & Sonshine (Wonka)
 7 ( 7) THE EP (12) - Zero B (FFrr)
 8 (--) DEJA VU (LP) - Various (Luv N Haight)
 9 (--) TOTALLY WIRED (LP) - Various (Acid Jazz)
10 (--) THANK YOU FOR EVERYDAY (12) - Dee Lite (Elektra)
11 (--) HUSTLE AINT OVER (EP) - Various (Parners Inc)
12 (15) VOL. II (12) - Pascals Bongo Massive (Tomato)
13 (--) (I'M UNDER) LOVE STRAINS (12) - Clubland (Buzz)
14 (--) EYES/VIBRACION (12) - EDC (Discotech)
15 (--) LITTLE STARS (12) - MKM (Zapf)

	by Ardy Beesemer

Source: Muziekkrant Oor (Toonaangevend Tijdschrift)

wats@wam.umd.edu
==========================================================================
Neil:"I thought pop music was supposed to be about like 
	loving each other."
Mike:"No Neil, that's sex. Pop music is about making money."
From: rene@blade (Rene Bakx)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Altern8ive Hardcore
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:42:34 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi there,
I liked reading the playlist of "Full on..Mask Hysteria" and my friend
bought the album. But when I re-read the playlist it is completely
different from the album my friend has bought.
His album has got the following playlist:
A-Side:Move my Body
       Infiltrate 202 (and NOT as the cover says infiltrate-8 202) 
       E-vapor-8
       8's revenge
       Frequency
B-Side:Hypnotic st-8
       Activ-8
       Brutal-8-e (Great tune)
       A D-8 with Plezure
       Armageddon
BONUS 12":         
A-Side:The Full On megamix of Full On..Mask Hysteria 
          Megamix by the Comission (Great!)
B-Side:Shame '92 (Altern 8 versus Evelyn "Champagne" King)
       Move my body (Joey Beltram remix)

The albums are styled in the same way as the Retrotechno album, that
means that the album's inner sleeve got a lot of text (and some photos).

That's all I wanted to say..
Read ya later!!

 +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
 |      Rene Walter           E-Mail: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl         |
 |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 |       "KLF, KLF, KLF. Oh God, I wish I was managing KLF..."             |
 |                                  -James Barton, Manager of K-Klass      |
 +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Kool Aid: the end of the story (WHO CARES?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:12:35 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


 ---------
|  AFTER  |
 ---------

Amy and I followed Todd and Titonton across town to Todd's house.  He said
it was a half hour away but I think that would have been if we had been
going 90 miles an hour the whole way.  We all slept about five hours there
and then split up.  T&T went back to Columbus, Amy and I spent the day
visiting Amy's friends.  We ended up with Cindy again and had a fun
afternoon.  Then Amy and I drove back home.  We got sort of turned around
on the freeways and wound up in Akron, so we decided to take a back road
to Columbus.  It meant driving slower but it was going to be scenic.  Cool.

We drove through lots of hills and a swamp with fog and saw some beautiful
scenes and cool buildings.  There was lightning in the thunderclouds around
and the sun was setting and fog was forming in the valleys.  Beautiful.
We drove through some small towns in Amish country and I think (I'm not
totally sure about this) I think I saw Amish children playing in a parking
lot on rollerblades.  There were lots of big signs all around like the
whole area was some kind of tourist trap, signs that said "Swiss Chalet"
"Cheese Shop" "Authentic Alpine Restaurant" and "World's Largest Cuckoo
Clock".  It made me kind of sad.  Here are these people who try to live
such a pure life, yet they have to resort to exploiting themselves to get
by.  Amy and I talked about it and I said it reminded me of one time I
felt really ashamed to be white, the time I was nine years old and I saw
all these Indians around the parking lot at the 4 Corners National 
Monument out in the desert (AZ,NM,UT,CO join at one spot).  The Indians
were so poor and they were all selling worthless trinkets with turquoise
in them and authentic Cowboy&Indian this and real Injun that.  It was so
sad.  I let Amy drive most of the way home.  She sang in Hebrew.  Neither
of us knew what she was singing, but it was very beautiful.  A wonderful
end to a fantastic weekend.  It's so great to be young!
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: tell me more about the KLF
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:56:57 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz) writes:

> so what i want to know is what else might i like?  are the various mixes
> of WTiL screamy?  how about Chill Out?  What's it sound like? 

The live-at-trancentral mix is the screamy version of "What Time Is
Love?", and most of the mixes you're likely to run across are based on the
trancentral version because that's the one that broke the song into the
charts.  You might check out "America: What Time Is Love" -- it's still
screamy but more fleshed-out.  The remix by Echo And The Bunnymen is great
too (like the original, but slightly harder and with sitars) and turns up
on a couple of import releases. 

'Chill Out' sounds something like an album-length cross between a slower
version of the original "What Time Is Love?" and an instrumental version
of "Build A Fire" from 'The White Room'.  If you like both those tracks
you should enjoy 'Chill Out' -- it's very anti-screamy. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

On the border / There's disorder
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Nexus 21/DJ wanting reviews/MELBOUNE
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:28:44 GMT

Does anyone in germany wish to send me info on new releases. I DJ at ALL the
raves in Melbourne and get records from many countries from many people.

I need info on MFS, Round and Round, Force Inc., R&S etc... You know the kind
of shit I like (no comm. crap)

Any cool reviews of any trancy "progressive house" would be nice also. 

Make sure you check out the trance mix of the "Grids" new track. the future
house sound is here .. side B trk 2 .. drop it and love it !

I would tell you my email address but I dont know how this thing works that
well, Ive just returned from a 3 semester break due to (well you know what)
and a job for 12 months at Australias number one Dist. Company M.D.S. (Mushroom
Distribution Services). We (I should say they) now dist. over 60 top labels
from Belgium, German to US and UK.

I know a fair bit on rave, house etc.. from the last 5 years , if you need
to find something out .. try me . If you read the Nexus 21 news
you might like to know they did an Lp in Uk winter 88 called "Rhythm of Life"
10 out of 10 fro trance,acid and house from those commercial wipes, Altern-8

Anyway, new music news would be appreciated, I do a radio show with Kate.b on
3RRR FM (102.7FM) 10pm - 2am Sunday nights as well as a national
Melbourne-based magazine called "Excel" which will be available in 1 month.
For Int. subscription rates mail me, for Australian people, get them from
Central Station Records etc..

I also run parties in Melbourne called Hardware to raise monies for charity
and am about to tear up those arsehole club managers on Channel 9 .
Stay tuned to news and current affairs shows in you Aus. capital city !!

Mail:		PO BOX 1193
		EAST DONCASTER
		MELBOURNE AUS 3109

THANKS

RICHIE "RICH" MC NEILL
MELBOURNE
---------

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: KLF - what happened?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:22:17 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf)) writes:

>> Oh, BTW, the guys from the KLF (Cauty) have been in the music industry
>> a long time..I think Cauty produced Echo & The Bunneymen at one point
>> or something like that...That may explain their image... 
>
> I think he was their agent at the record company?  To further bang my
> head against a wall, let me say that Jimi released a solo album called
> "The Man" before any of the KLF stuff... haven't heard it, but I heard
> it was brilliant. 

Bill Drummond was the industry muso -- he cofounded Big In Japan with
Holly Johnson (later of Frankie Goes To Hollywood), was a member of Lori
And The Chamelions with David "Zoo Records" Balfe, got a song written
about him by Julian Cope, worked with Echo and managed Brilliant (for whom
Jimmy Cauty played guitars), produced Zodiac Mindwarp and released "The
Man" as his solo album.  (It's... uhm...INTERESTING -- I wouldn't say
"brilliant".  There's a *reason* why he never really sings, as such, on
the JAMS/KLF records.)

> "Make it Rain" is a bloody awesome track, and could use a good remix too. 

It was meant to be their next single, in fact.  I've been told that promos
of the remixes were shipped but I don't have confirming info yet.  If
Jethro hadn't dropped off the face of the earth, he'd probably be able to
tell us . . . 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Deciding that the bounds of propriety had been broached once too
often, Scott called a quick halt to the coffee-pot puppet show.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Some questions on rave making
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:09:51 GMT


	fog stuff deleted

	the places i've bene have a vanilla and/or jasmine smell to 
	the smoke; i'm not sure if it's incense or oil or somehow a 
	function of the machine.  i kinda like it; it's not overpowering,
	just kind of present & pleasant.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: aralph@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Ralph)
Subject: Re: UK's Kiss FM.....
Reply-To: aralph@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:51:44 +0000

kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price) writes:
>Hi ravers of the world,

>Does anyone in the UK (specifically London!) listen to Kiss FM?
>If so, could you let me know the air-play times of all the
>Rave, Techno, Reggae and Dub programs.

>So far I've got
>Colin Faber (Techno) 22.00 to 01.00 on Tuesdays and 18.00 to 19.00 Sundays.

>Cheers in advance.

>Kev :)
>e-mail kap@eng.cam.ac.uk

Hello Kev, I listen to Kiss FM up here in Watford, usually as loud as
possible! :-)

So for you and anyone else who ain't in the know, here's the run-down on
the Kiss Week....


Monday:    19.15 to 22.00 David Roddigan (sp?) (ex Capital FM)
                           featuring the Kiss Reggae Chart
           22.00 to 01.00 Jazzie B ('im from Soul II Soul)

Tuesday:   19.15 to 22.00 Steve Jackson - The House That Jack Built
                           featuring the Kiss House Chart
           22.00 to 01.00 Colin Faber - the Techno Show

Wednesday: 22.00 to 01.00 Steve Jervier (sp?) - Swing-Beat !

Thursday:  19.15 to 22.00 Lyndsay Wescer - Monday's New Releases !
           22.00 to 01.00 Colin Dale - The Abstract Dance
                           featuring the Outer Limits after midnight
                           - progressive techno & ambient stuff

Friday:    19.15 to 22.00 Judge Jules - The Weekend Starts Here !

Saturday:  00.00 to 02.00 Jay Strongman - The Midnight Express
                           diggin' deep in the vaults!
           16.00 to 19.00 The Kiss Top 40 & The Malibu Mix
                           with Graham Gold
           19.00 to 21.00 Danny Rampling - Euro-House & Balearic Beat
           21.00 to 23.00 Paul 'Trouble' Anderson - Advance Dance!
                           non-stop mixing by the man 'imself

Sunday:    01.00 to 03.00 Coldcut - Solid Steel
                           dub mixes galore!
           03.00 to 06.00 Manassa & friend - Reggae non-stop!
           15.00 to 17.00 Norman Jay's Original Musicquarium
                           for when you finally wake up!
           18.00 to 19.00 Colin Faber - The Sonic Underground
                           with The High-Velocity MindFlux Chart
           21.00 to 23.00 Joey Jay - Even more Reggae! Egad!


Do try and tune in between the gaps in the above list - you're sure to
find plenty of other shows to tickle your fancy!

If there's enough interest, I'll put together a complete listing for Kiss
FM and post it up.

Alan.
"Steve Jackson... Luvvley!"
From: rodal@imokay.cmw.ltn.dec.com (David Rodal)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: boston raves?
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:49:47 GMT


John-- Are you doug's friend.


I am dave, the man with a dog collar, a leash, and a whip, I also have my nipples pierced.....

I only mention debo because he is one of the few that I know about...... I am new to this scene.



		Glad to hear that someone out there gets this newfeed (we are in a very strange
situation with our server here).




		Dave

		James Brown is Dead
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Subject: Re: NYC
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:22:58 GMT

The Donster (donsterw@athena.mit.edu) asks about rave-ish-es in NYC
the weekend of July 31.

You picked a bad weekend.  There's going to be a rave way out on Long
Island, though, you can mail me for a flyer if you really want.

In article <84088@netnews.upenn.edu> grecomv@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike Greco) writes:
>I dont mean to sound
>like the july Details, 

It's okay, it was a good article (for NYC/Philly at least).

>but you might want to check out Limelight,Palladium or 
>Tilt.... also Save the Robots and Opera.... 

From my experience:

	Palladium is an absolute zoo.  I've never been a big fan of it.

	Limelight is killer, but gets VERY crowded, so much to the point
	where it gets hard to dance.  Some sleazoid characters also turn up 
	there to pose and pick up member of the appropriate sex, so it can get 
	a rather "meaty" feel to it.  But the club itself is great (an old 
	church, three dance floors, many bars, outdoor garden, twisty hallways,
	catwalks and balconies).  Lighting is cool but not really innovative, 
	drinks are VERY VERY expensive (even $4 for a glass of water).

	I haven't been to Save the Robots in so long . . . and when I went
	I wasn't in the frame of mind to remember where it is so don't
	ask me and besides it's prbobably moved by now, but it was very
	low-tech, low-key.  Just lots of dancing in a dive.

Laura
From: mjs49101@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Martin )
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Where can I get Rave?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:08:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


    I have a friend who's opening a club and wants to find an outlet
for rave music. He lives in Birmingham, Al. and hasn't had much luck
finding it down there. Does anyone know where he can get his hands
on Rave groups' albums? 
    Please mail me any responses. Thanks.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
|     Martin Spalding                                                      |
|     mjs49101@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                                            |
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From: jtrue@acpub.duke.edu (john)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Some questions on rave making
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:52:30 GMT
Organization: Diffidence Conclave

In article <1992Jul23.224849.14375@sal.wisc.edu>, rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul23.213655.2140@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
> 
> >... Fog is an option, but use it effectively,
<stuff deleted> 
> 
> Hey, does anyone know if this stuff is bad for you? Or rather, how bad?
> Or if there's a kind of fog juice which doesn't give you that fuzzy taste?

I was wondering this myself.  It seems like the fog machines I've seen
in clubs give off a smoky smell.  I was wondering how feasable using 
dry ice (I assume some smoke machines use this)
or liquid nitrogen and fans or blow dryers would be.  I'm
interested in cheap/low-tech effects.

Another thing I was wondering on the topic of groovy effects.  How
common is the use of video feedback at raves? (I'm in rave-wasteland
here in NC and still looking for the scene.  But I'm thinking about
getting together with some people to start one up.)  I've seen 
really wicked things done with some pretty basic equipment (i.e. a color TV
and an old phototube camera).  You can get some wild tunneling effects
and also neato fractal patterns, the potential seems really huge.  
I was thinking you could rent a couple 
of big-screen TVs and videocameras and really do some psychedlic stuff.
The only problem I could foresee was that you'd have to make sure
the equipment was relatively out of the way but yet still visible to
the ravers.
> -- 
> | Randy Jones           |  Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy,
> | rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |  I like him just fine.
> | 608 259 0311          |  But he's a mouth breather...
> 
-john
jtrue@acpub.duke.edu 
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