From: srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Srinivas's questions. ( Was Re: Kuram Narayan..)
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:40:08 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1993Jan11.234828.18408@fuug.fi> an3919@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>Srinivas writes:
>> who are these "rest of the sub-humans'?
>
>Well, all those ass-holes who get the benefit of reservation to
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>reach places they do not deserve, since they lack intellegence.
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     Because you are presenting a hypothesis which
can have serious consequences, Sir, can you please
present your facts and reasoning. 


How many of 'rest of the sub-humans' do you  know who
    a) lack intelligence.  b) got the benefit of reservation

And similarly how many 'glorious Brahmin brains' who
are overflowing with intelligence which other
'rest of the sub-humans' lack?

Do you have any supportive data for your hypothesis?
 (  i) Be it on intelligence of different caste groups
   ii) Be it on the number of people who benefited from reservations )

And do you agree there are a lot of other factors
like economical (like food, shelter),
social and cultural conditions (age-old traditions,
the socialogical impact of an oppressive caste system etc.),
access to power and education (rural/urban), which can
make somebody 'intelligent'  or 'non-intelligent'? 


>All those terrorists and killers of LTTE, DMK, PMK etc All the
>sycophants in TN government...

A simple clarification.
Are a majority of these 'rest of sub-humans' terrorists and killers?
Any supportive data? 

>> What is so "blood-thirsty " about them?
>
>Who killed Rajiv Gandhi? Who is killing Indian citizens in the name of
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>some assholes in a foreign country? Who cares if those are badly treated 
>in their country! What is their business in India?


>Feudal murderers in TN
>is second to none in India interms of the bestial modus operandi and 
>barbaric execution!
>

So, who killed Rajiv Gandhi? From whatever little info. I get from
newsreports, maybe LTTE is responsible.
All I can infer is that you may be against LTTE politics.
OK. That's fine. But, 
What has that do with either 'rest of sub-humans' or
people who got 'benefit out of reservation'?


>> And what is so glorious about 'Brahmin brains'?
>
>The answer is self-explanatory! Those dravidians who kept on preaching
>Dravidian greatness needed a foreigner ( MGR), a Brahmin ( Jayalalitha)
>another foreigner ( Karunanithi- originally from AP) and a brahmin ( who
>founded DMK?:-)) to rule them. How many scientists from TN are non-brahmin?
>Who is CV Raman, Subrahmanian Chandrasekhar??

>

So, let's take a look at what you say.

i) how  much percentage of TN Brahmin community are of
Ramans, Chandrasekhars calibre? And did anyhow, thier
'Brahminness' contribute to thier intelligence?
( If really so, they shouldn't be worried with simple
things like reservations, hardwork.....
anyhow, it's God-given to them. :-))

For that matter, how many Indians do share thier (Raman, CS)
intelligence? I do not know many.
Does it make all of them inferior?

Don't you realise that to be a scientist or a good cobbler,
you need rigorous training over years? 
And don't you realise that these aspects are influenced
by socio-economic conditions.

And don't you realise that I can take your own data
and infer that --- the social and caste oppression
is so much that it did not allow not even a single
non-brahmin to come up?



>If any tamilian is famous
>overseas or outside TN, he is either a Brahmin or a notorious terrorist!
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>( Incidentally,  I am not referring to non-Brahmins in other states who
>may be as good! I am talking about these imbecile SC creeps in TN who are
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>so dirty that their sight itself makes one unholy).
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    I think either you have to substantiate this statement 
    or else apolgize.

I am interested to know this --
Is there something that makes you or your ilk that
makes you guys 'holy' that makes you say
feel so 'dirty that their sight itself makes you unholy'
about 'SC creeps in TN'? (Just curious, are you one of those
who want to go back to those 'good olden days' )?

Or are they your own insane and irrational biases? 
If so, don't you feel that others may also be equally justified
in thinking about you and your own 'glorious' groups?

And how many 'notorious terrorists' do you know, to
make generalized statements like above.
Please share your socialogical studies with us.


>> And what is so inglorious about non-Brahmin brains?
>
>HA HA HA HA ! Nothing inglorious! Simply such a thing does not exist in
>TN, My apologies again to Indians from other states. This truth does not
>stand valid for them. Also, in spite of 80% reservation in TN, designed to
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>make Brahmins illeterate, 90% of all Tamils going to US are Brahmins who
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>evidently have better brains than to make temples for cheap movie actors:-)
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   Please support this kind of statements with facts.

     I have no clue how you arrived at your conclusions.
But i can say onething-

If I can make sense out of what you wrote, I can
equally make sense out of 'brains that make temples for 
cheap movie actors'. Eventhough childish, the main
thing is that, atleast the latter one is not poisonous
and less dangerous.

And, certainly our country requires better brains. 
So, let's be sensible.

And sir, a humble advice.
please do not come to this kind of conclusions - be
about anybody - based on your very very limited experiences.

In this sad times, I should commend for onething..
Atleast you have the courage not to disguise your
biases in sophistry and flowery language like many
other '(psuedo) - intellectuals' on SCI.