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From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:22:55 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology

In article <1992Sep25.134352.5735@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com  
(Greg Parkinson) writes:

> In article <Bv36xs.79t@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com  
(Mike Reaser) writes:
> |> In <1992Sep24.023818.8960@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob  
Donahue) writes:

> |> I don't know about the rest of you, but to our friends my lover  
and I
> |> have one name:  "BobbyandMike".  No pauses between (what were  
formerly)
> |> separate words, no distinction for who might be Bobby or who  
could be
> |> Mike -- just the single word "BobbyandMike".

> My friends Robert and Raul are R'nR.  

Some years ago I was involved with one "Joe" and since we had
conceptually "adopted" our own conceptual family, one or the
other of us would be referred to as "Pop" (which one was pop
when depended on which conceputal offspring was speaking) which
naturally eventually became "Pop-n-jay".  

--
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"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:03:40 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Oct5.145022.2927@nstn.ns.ca>, daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
 writes:

(after posting the library cataloging info for a book) 

> ... another biblio queen gets *hers*.

     I at least have an excuse why I was not the johnny-on-the-spot with that
answer:

     I was all tied up in my work at the moment!
-- 

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:04:49 GMT
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Oct2.210635.22012@panix.com>, ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
> When I wear a white shirt, I WEAR it), there's
> nothing like 35% poly - when the dryer stops, you pull it out,
> give it a quick *SNAP*, hang it, and an hour later the blessed
> thing has ironed itself!

     *SNAP* queens & mixed fibers, Ooooooooh what a combo!

...
> Or do you, like most men who do not live with women, send your shirts
> "out"?

     What do you mean by sending them "out"?  Do you want me to put them "into
the closet"?  

     When I came out, so did my shirts!
--
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
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From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Pet names
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:47:43 GMT

In article <19vk7fINN9ki@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
(adolphson) writes:

>You don't mean to suggest that Berto's talk about 
>his girlfriend and that his *constantly* repeated
>refrain that he's really straight is *not* *true*, 
>do you?

Well, he isn't the one who gets the dry heaves at the idea of all those
Grouchos out there on the Pampas.  It probably looks very different
from an Argentine perspective.  One has to wonder, in the end, what he
is doing here.

>> You know, speaking of pet names (we were, weren't we?) a friend has
>> taken to calling me "Pinkerton" (among numerous other silly names) ever
>> since I moved away to Germany.  I'm not sure about this.

>Dear me.  It sounds like Trouble.

The dear boy is Chinese, and I hope if he goes, he doesn't sing
anything at the end in Chinese opera style.  He *has* assured me that
that stuff makes no more sense to him than it does to me (claims not to
be able to understand Mandarin at all) but one can't be too careful.


-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: revans@uspi2.Prime.COM (Robbin Evans)
Subject: Re: Co-ed?
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:03:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.014021.16432@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> emcmanus@kaa.gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
> >rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> >>	My favorite was during his re-telling of the "Cindy stories"
> >>(co-ed who develops a crush on Clay then writes an anti-gay position
> >>paper for class...).
> 
> >What is a "co-ed"?  Does it mean a student who is female?  If so, why
> >is there a special word, and why do you use it?
> 
> 	Ostensibly it's an undergrad - but in all honesty I can't think of 
> any time I've heard it used that it didn't refer to specifcally a womon
> student.  I suppose it harks back to the days when mixed campuses were
> sort of new, and in that respect you're right - the term has outlived it's
> use.  It was the first word that mjumped into my head.  I apologize
> for any harm done.
> 
> BBC

I think most women would look less than favorably on the term -- as
though men were the real students and we were just extra.  On the
other hand, I went to an women's college, and the few male exchange
students living in the dorms were usually referred to as co-eds.

/Robbin
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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:45:05 GMT

In article <1atdfaINNt8k@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)  
writes:
} My birthday is December 9.  (My pants size, just in case
} you're interested, is 31 x 36.  Medium shirts.  I adore
} 100% cotton and, of course, linen clothing.  I don't wear
} ties.  Guerlain colognes are *really* nice.)

My birthday is February 22.  Yes, George Washington's birthday.  Fuck the  
clothes, cologne and cherry pie - I want a man (pronounced MA-EEE-UHN) wrapped  
all up in velvet black ribbons!

I've done my homework!  I deserve it!
Donald
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.223227.16405@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>My, my.  I saw that headline on the cover, and about laughed myself silly.
>If you actually _opened_ it, you're a more curious queer than I.

Better queerdar, perhaps?  (I could just *smell* that Ry Schwark,
lurking deep within those pages ...)

I had to open it so I could explain to my co-workers how ridiculous it
is.  Over the summer I picked up the nickname of dubious value
"Unix-Head," since I'm about the most Unix-savvy of anyone at this VMS
site.  They all chuckled rather gustily when that issue came in.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fun! Joan Crawford Recipes!
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:07:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Sep27.100712.10177
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Sep25.210507.25260@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
   elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> Arne once saw:
>>... my best friend in 4th and 5th grades, Mike Braverman ...
>>"waterproofing" his hiking boots.  What Miracle Product was he
>>using?  Something from Monsanto, perhaps?  Maybe some
>>ScotchGuard?  *NO*!  He was smearing *bacon* *grease* all
>>over his boots.  He learned that in the Cub Scouts.
> 
> One way to attract bears, I suppose.

     Since the Jewish & Moslem bears might shy away from that, I suppose that 
one might prefer using chicken fat, but what would you use to attract a
vegetarian bear while still protecting the boots?

     Cocoa butter?
--
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From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Re: nambla (Ted Bundy)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:38:18 GMT

In article <BvAHIA.FK6@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>
>People say that about convicted molestors, rapists, serial killers all the time
>"He was quiet and never bothered anybody".  I suggest that you read up on Ted
>Bundy and John Wayne Gacy.

Just a note of irony: My father knew Ted Bundy slightly in the
latter's Seattle days.  He says that because Bundy was so
personable and polite, especially with women, that a lot of people
thought he was gay.  A number of prominent Washington politicians
(Bundy was well-known in Seattle political circles) disbelieved the
first round of accusations against Bundy because they thought he
was gay.
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:01:41 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

The last time the vegetarian thread came up, I let it pass, because it
died down pretty quickly. But here it is again, all too soon.

I think Jeff Dauber says some pretty sensible things about everybody
deciding where to draw their own lines. And this applies to pretty
well everything.

I'm an omnivore myself, and/but I get pretty pissed off when people
try to pick "logical" holes in the belief systems of vegetarians.
Anybody is free to eat or not eat whatever they choose, and they don't
have to justify it to me. This is especially true of someone who
chooses *not* to eat certain things: what harm can that possibly do to
anybody else? And why do their choices in this matter have to be
backed up by what you consider ironclad logic?

Now, if a vegetarian were to try to argue with me about *my* choices
of what to eat, or to try to make me feel guilty about it, I would
probably get annoyed. But I don't know any vegetarians who do that,
and certainly nobody did that in this discussion.

It's also true that this particular instance of the thread started
with an attempt to tease one particularly teasable individual, but one
might have known that one was in danger of touching a nerve for more
than one person. Nelson's response might have been a shade
intemperate, but I suspect that's in part because we just went through
this less than two months ago.

A hint, however, for those to whom it applies: when telling someone
that you don't eat certain things (which is sometimes conversationally
interesting, and often necessary to avoid being expected, invited, or
required to eat such things), you're not under any obligation to tell
them *why* you don't, unless they ask. A volunteered explanation with
ethical overtones makes some people feel a mite defensive.
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:50:09 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct3.210702.3236@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct3.064139.26133@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) 
|> >Are anchovies out? 
|> 
|> Didn't he say he was vegetarian?

Yes, but anchovies are a mineral (NaCl to be exact...)


FWA
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:26:21 GMT

In article <97140@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>Those who don't enjoy sex particularly don't have to equate sex with rape.

Now we really are starting to enter the Realm of the Stupid.
Dworkin doesn't equate straight sex with rape because she 
             (NOTE!!!  ^^^^^^^^)
doesn't like sex.  We have no idea whether she likes sex or
not.  She has questions about the nature of consensuality.  
And just because she's come up with an answer that we don't 
like is not adequate reason to make silly statements like 
the one above.  There are plenty of legitimate reasons to 
Dworkin-bash;  why not stick to one that's grounded in her 
actual positions?

Men say the dumbest things about women, I swear.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:05:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson):
> |> There is _no_ email.
> 
> But there is!  I just got mail telling me that they'd
> pumped 20,000 gallons of rancid sperm out of....
> 
> I shouldn't, it was *private* email.

yoooooouuuuuu, lucky devil!
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
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From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 01 Oct 92 03:24:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
) Oh george, you poor dear.  Life would be so much easier for you if you
) only had a sense of humor.  Maybe you should ask the wizard.  

What the *HELL* do you mean, I don't have a sense of humour!?

Oh, wait, you mean George MADISON.  I think it must be his
excess of hair.  The poor chap just needs a waxing and a good
haircut and a shave.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ours flamb'e
Keywords: BBC, the article *was* the bear shit
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:33:59 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Frank Swilling (Minotaur@cup.portal.com) wrote
some things about some people and their things,
and what the thought of those things do to some
other things, but that's subject's a bit *hot*
to touch, and he also said:
 
> Jeff Shaumeyer makes a laughable attempt at feigning innocence:

But dear, *we* needn't feign innocence.

Our behavior is entirely *natural*.

--jns  [and I've got the e-mail to prove it!!]
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Motssers in history
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:51:26 GMT


In article <17723@autodesk.COM> randyc@autodesk.com (Randy
Clark) writes:

]Something I discovered recently.

]this was one of the very first
]special gay/lesbian issues of an academically respectable
]publication.  The issue's topic:
]
]	The Homosexual Imagination
]		-- in literature
]		-- in the classroom
]		-- in criticism
]
]	A special issue, edited by ...
]
]It wasn't till after I had the books at home that I really
]noticed the attribution line:
]
]	... Louie Crew and Rictor Norton
]	    ^^^^^^^^^^
]
]Contents of the issue are:
]
]	Sage Reynolds, "Frontispiece"
]	Louie Crew & Rictor Norton, Guest Editors,
]	   "The Homophobic Imagination: An Editorial"
]	Rictor Norton, "An Interview with Eric Bentley"
]	Jacob Stockinger, "Toward a Gay Criticism"
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Madisonian and a friend for 20+ years.  I remember the
issue very well.  Jake is writing for one of our newspapers.

-- 
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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:40:45 GMT

There's a great reference work, probably available in most university
and many state or city libraries, called _Uranian Worlds_ which lists
most fantasy and sf works published in the last 80 years or so with
any kind of GLBO interest.  It seems quite complete (a second edition
was issued around 1988 or so) and I recommend it highly.  Unfortunately,
I forget the editor's names, but there can't be too many other books
out there with that title.
--Michael
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:30:42 GMT

mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:

>In article <15793@umd5.umd.edu>, jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>> Der Ring des Nibelungen.  Fuck the patience.

>I'd rather fuck the _Penzance_

There's a happy thought; Kevin Kline as the Pirate King. Ta-ren-ta-ra!!!

John, the very model of a modern homosexual

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Professional meetings/conferences in Oregon?
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:32:49 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <43474@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>In article <BvECwM.D7@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>>It sucks that Oregon is going down the toilet, there seem to be alot of
>>good jobs there.
>
>Uh, please don't write us off quite yet, okay?

I'm still waiting to find out if the stuff I heard today was accurate
or just a mix up. But if its accurate things are pretty bad already.
The accounts sound like something out of the middle east, not the
north west. 

>Oregon has a fairly large market for conferences and conventions.  Some
>have already said that they will not come to Oregon if Measure 9 passes,
>time will tell.  At this point, we only know that the Govenor's office
>is predicting a falloff if the measure passes.  Given that Portland is
>trying to become a major player in the convention business, this fact
>could sway a lot of people who rely on convention dollars to vote against
>measure 9 no matter what their personal feelings are on the subject.

This is good to hear :-) 

>I am not too sure how I would feel if Measure 9 was defeated but that
>the OCA got a message which said "get them, but don't jeapadize the
>convention trade".  Certainly wouldn't make me happy.

Its not all bad, it means that queers atleast have some economic
power. Economic power is as important if not more than political
power. Politically once we have marriage rights and equal recognition
under all laws then the remaing fights are personal and economic,
you can't legislate opinion but you can buy it :-)
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 5 Oct 1992 10:37:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.004153.12341@netcom.com> 
jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
| In article <1992Oct4.183112.15428@reed.edu> 
| nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|
| >Fuck you, Arne. 

I need to have a talk with you about your language, young man.

| >Do you think there is some merit in offending random
| >people by insulting what they feel strongly about, or are you just
| >practicing your role as soc.motss.bitchy.queen?
|
| He wasn't offending any random person, he was offending George Madison, who
| is hardly a random person.

I think it would be fair to say that my very existence
offends George Madison.  But, yes, this was directed at
him.  And why not?  He *begins* what he thinks of as 
conversation with "Fuck you, asshole, if you don't agree
with me".  

| I also think that Arne has a point.  How do you defend eating eggs but not
| meat?  There are a few small egg raisers who treat their hens decently, but
| for the most part laying hens are treated worse than just about any food
| animal other than veal calves. 

I've received a couple of pieces of mail from people
informing me that dairy cows are treated well.  Fine.
If you're a vegetarian for ethical reasons, then
you should not be eating eggs, either.  As Jack points
out, laying hens are treating horrendously.  But Jeff
Dauber (welcome back!) does have a point about where
one draws lines.

Arne

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 18:01:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep27.075536.17552@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Am I the only one who thinks the various personal bashings going on in
>motss right now are a bit unseemly?

Probably not, but there's obviously a vocal minority that disagrees, or
isn't so tied up in image that appearing "unseemly" is a big deal to them.
Good word, "unseemly" - makes me think of prim Victorians who want to keep
everything looking proper.  

>I don't particularly care for the opinions that Sarver or Melmon are
>espousing. Some of them are downright offensive. But I'm also getting
>really tired of reading personal insults of them rather than
>criticisms of what they were saying.

So don't read them. 

>(I fully recognize that, when measured objectively, Melmon and Sarver
>are probably posting more tripe than the anti-Melmon/Sarver faction. I
>don't care. We should all know better.)

And anyone who doesn't agree is ignorant? 

>For those of you keeping track of the motss.black-list, you might want
>to look at the names that were on there in times past. You'll find me,
>and maybe John Dorrance, and probably a few others that might surprise
>you.

You got off the "list" (which doesn't exist, of course) - so can they. 

>Nelson, who is not immediately doing anything to solve the problem,

Right.  

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