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From: livigni@bldrdoc.gov (David livigni 303-497-5898)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Need info. on TMP47C434N microprocessor...(does anyone have datasheet..
Summary: Upgradable 386 Motherboard
Keywords: VEGA, Symphony
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:28:35 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

I recently purchased a 40 MHz 80386 motherboard which is upgradable
to a 50 Mhz 80486.  It seemed like an economical choice since I want a
486 but cannot afford one now.  However I am worried that I got a lemon.
I would greatly appreciate hearing about any experience anyone has had
with this motherboard.  The manufacturer is VEGA and it uses a Symphony 
chip set.  I have a vague memory of problems with a VEGA board a few
years ago, anybody out there had experience with one?

I would greatly appreciate a reply via email or the net because I
am not convinced that these messages are getting off-site.

Thanks in advance!

David

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From: jas37876@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John A. Slagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy NEC. (More NEC 4FG horror stories!)
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:19:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEwp0.3su
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


   I bought a $780 4FG, myself.  After sending the original one back
   because the screen was tilted, I had to send #2 back for the same reason.
   However, my #3 has only one problem.... The upper-left protion os the
   screen is a bit out of focus... but, other than that it was pretty good.
   So, I kept it. 

   I think the reason I notice these little problems is that I shelled
   out a HUGE amount of money (for a student) to get what I thought was
   the best monitor around. So, of course, I expected it to be perfect.

   My friends are envious.  Nuff, said?  

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From: Mike@tron.gun.de (Michael Gerhards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Two simple questions...
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:34:00 GMT
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany

Hallo,

> From: wai@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
> Subject: Two simple questions...
> Message-ID: <BuA4JH.9rG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
> Organization: Purdue University
> [..]
> 	1) If a diskette is protected (ie, the hole is open for the 3.5')
> 	there could be no way the FD can write anything on it, is that
> 	right? Not even by software-programming or any other ways?

The only way to write on a protected disc is to chance the drive-hardware.

c u

Mike
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From: waw5805@ultb.isc.rit.edu (W.A. Willis)
Subject: Using A Bus Mouse With A Tandy 4800....Possible?
Originator: waw5805@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:04:12 GMT

Is it possible to use a bus mouse with the (keyboard) bus port of the
Tandy 4800 laptop?
From: jb@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.Edu (Jim Berilla)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Case of the Flipped-Out Floppy : *SOLVED*
Date: 26 Sep 1992 06:44:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: falstaff.mae.cwru.edu

In article <n70n05n.mcp@netcom.com>, mcp@netcom.com (Craig Presnell) writes:
|> A few days ago, I posted a problem about a 5 1/4 1.2m floppy
|> drive that after it read one floppy it would display the
|> same directory information (of the original floppy) on all
|> other floppies that were placed (and dir'd) in the drive.

[ problem was on a CompuAdd/Mitsumi drive, turned out to be a bad
infra-red emitter/detector that senses disk changes.  Replaced with
Radio Shlack 276-142. ]

I bought three of these drives.  All three developed this problem.
For the first one, I was in a hurry, so I just soldered another
resistor across the IRED series resistor to increase the current
to the IRED (therefor its brightness.)  The second one failed a
few months later, and the first was still working with its kluge,
so I did the same to the second.  The third one blew up the IRED
before it started working.  I figure the first two drives are running
about 40 mA through their IREDs, the last one failed at about an
amp (surprise.)


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From: markt@rocky.gte.com (Mark Tsombakos)
Subject: Case of the missing pixels
Organization: GTE/SCSD - Needham Heights, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:00:06 GMT


Hi again, all.

I became so relieved when I read an article about missing pixels on a number
of NEC monitors.  I recently noticed my monitor is missing >6 or so pixels
in various locations.  I thought it was my eyes for a while, then I blamed
the problem on dust (I was in denial!).  I gather this is a common thing?
I've only had the monitor for < 1 year, so it's still covered by the 
warranty.

Thanks again for your valuable insight.  Email comments/flames to

markt@rocky.gte.com
From: carlos_l_qualls@ccm.hf.intel.com (Carlos Qualls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Hard Drive for Amstrad PC 1512SD
Summary: Where to find
Keywords: Hard Drive
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:19:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Environment Lab

I am looking to get a hard drive for an Amstrad PC 1512SD.
Can anyone tell me what type to get. Will a hard-card work?

Thanks
Carlos Qualls
Intel Corp.
clq@ccm.hf.intel.com
From: qle@eis.calstate.edu (Quang Le)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Wyse's PC keyboard to a compatible PC.
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:53:25 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

I have a Wyse's keyboard which can be used on a Wyse's PC.
I want to convert this keyboard so that I can use on my compatible PC.
Is there a converter for such thing?

Thanks,

QLe.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Subject: Re: Ultra vs Stealth, NEC 5FG vs Sony 1604
Reply-To: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:44:04 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.101618.1@idicl1.idi.battelle.org>, knaus@idicl1.idi.battelle.org writes:

|>I am considering an upgrade to the my PC's video system.  Graphics accelerator
|>being considered are the ATI Ultra/VANTAGE and Diamond Stealth.  Monitors being
|>considered are the Sony 1604 and NEC 5FG.  I've found monitor reviews in
|>6-9-92 PC Magazine, 5/92 Byte, and 3/92 Computer Shopper.
|>
|>o Does anyone have good/bad experiences with these products?  Suggestions?
|>
|>o Can anyone point me to magazines containing graphics accelerator evaluations?
|>
|>o I've installed and used both the Ultra and Stealth.  They seem to be based
|>  on different architectures in that the Ultra requires a VGA adapter whereas
|>  the Stealth replaces the VGA.  What are the advantages and disadvantages of 
|>  each architecture?
|>-- 
|>	Steve Knaus                     phone:  (614) 761-8083
|>        Information Dimensions, Inc.    Internet: knaus@idicl1.idi.battelle.org
|>        Dublin, Ohio
|>


I think it was the June or July 92 issue of Byte magazine that had 
an excellent review of the various graphics accelerators.  They liked 
the Stealth very much.  While the Ultra was slightly faster, it was 
considerably more expensive.   The June 92 computer shopper also had
a short review of several cards, including the two you asked about,
in an article on Windows Workstations.

I personally use the stealth on a 486-33 machine with a Sony 1304-S 
monitor....and love it.

I find the performance to be excellent for what I do and the price was
right.  I use the generic S3 driver supplied by Microsoft.  Although
not quite as fast as the one from Diamond computing, the Diamond-supplied
driver would sometimes hang at startup.  They keep releasing new versions
of the driver, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if all the bugs are 
worked out by now.

One happy camper,

>>>Joe Ervin
From: buchholz@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jacob S. Buchholz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Wanted: Info regarding 1280x1024x245 cards
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:23:33 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Okay, what I'm looking for is a 16-bit SVGA that does 1280x1024 non-interlaced
with 256 colors onscreen at that resolution...  It seems like all the video
cards that have 1280x1024 (that I've seen) only have 1 Mb of memory, which
isn't enough to support this number of colors at that resolution.  Is there
anyone out there that would know of such a beast?

Please reply via email, as I am not a regular reader of this group.

Thanks much.
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From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: 66MHZ 486DX2 SYTEMS GATEWAY VS. ZEOS
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:51:39 GMT

laytonj@rayleigh.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Layton) writes:
| Well, I'm not a zeos guy, but I have been searching for a GOOD system
| for about 6 months (whatever good means). One of my primary needs was
| the ability to upgrade to the P5 whenever it comes out. Zeos offers
| a socket that can take the P24T chip which is a P5 chip. This is the
| ONLY manufacturer that offers this. If you ask most companies about
| upgrading to the P5 they usually want to sell you a machine with
| an overdrive socket which won't get P5 upgradability.

  Yes, as I wrote in a previous post, this is the one thing that made
  me consider Zeos, in spite of the $700-$900 (the system costs $3695
  or $3895 depending on whom you talk to) additional cost.

  But I have too many reservations about upgradability to P5.  I'm not
  sure providing a 240-pin socket is enough.  As mentioned in another
  thread, the P5 is supposed to be 64-bits and we'd have to gamble on it
  being able to handle 32-bits externally to be backwards compatible.

  Another question I have is the ability of the P5 to work with the
  current local bus.  I have heard that the reason there are no vesa
  local-bus systems with the 50DX is that the vesa standard currently
  specifies a maximum of 40MHz.  Will a local bus that's incompatible
  with a 486-50DX be compatible with a 586?  Or will we have to throw
  out the local bus to upgrade?  (Remember, Intel, the company designing
  the P5 is going to have a local-bus standard of its own.)

  I'm sure there are other problems and even if it were possible to
  upgrade, it would be expensive.  I'd like to see some kind of guarantee.
  And when the P5 does come out, it would be nice if the company that is
  promising upgradability could buy them in quantity and offer some kind
  of cpu trade-in program to its customers.  

  I could be wrong, but personally, I have too many doubts to put much
  value on the P5 upgradability.  
  ==

  Bob

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: isc10085@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG YENG YONG)
Subject: Re: How fast are these simms?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:01:46 GMT

Andy Bennett (bennett@math.ksu.edu) wrote:
: 
: The simms are 1Mx9 with each chip labelled as follows
: 
:                            721010-07
:                            K127A Korea
: 
: with an oversize i to the left of the label.
: 
: Does anyone know whether these are 80ns or 100ns simms?

These SIMMS are 1 Megabit x 1 Chips and 70 ns, as specified on the first
line of the chips. As for the oversize i to the left, I have no idea.
Please email me on the i when you know the answer. Thanks.

Best regards,
Steve

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jre@zeos.com (Jim Erickson)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1540B SCSI Controller Drivers
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 14:22:20 GMT

In article <67230@cup.portal.com> csa@cup.portal.com (CHUCK - ARAKAWA) writes:
>I am trying to locate some drivers for an ADAPTEC 1540B SCSI Adapter Card.
>Does anybody have a lead on this?
>
>ASW-1410 DOS Driver
>ASW-1420 OS/2 v1.1 driver
>ASW-1440 Novell 286/386 drover
>
>E-Mail: csa@cup.portal.com or (310) 986-2722

  These files are copyrighted by Adaptec and are sold for ~$70 including
manuals.

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From: djr8482@acf5.NYU.EDU (Daniel Reznick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: where is the ATI Ultra Pro???
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:56:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

A local bus version of the ATI Ultra Pro is sitting in my computer on my desk
right now.

It is a bit of a sham, actually.  Supposedly, the hardware supports     
640x480x16.7M colors, but there are no drivers.  The drivers that 
did ship with it are buggy, and don't work even in 800x600x65,000.

I am quite disappointed.

Daniel Reznick
From: liu@ganglion.cs.unc.edu (Alan Ve-Ming Liu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Mail order recommendations
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:59:10 GMT

I'm looking for a 386DX-40 pc and the Computer Shopper lists quite a 
number of mail-order companies offering pretty much the same
configurations (which is ok, since that is what I want).

However, before I actually start buying, I'd like to hear from anyone
who has something to say, (good or bad) about their experience with
mail order companies, especially with regards to their tech 
support and warranties.

Al
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: No VL-BUS for 486/50 Mhz?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:04:29 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu


	Someone posted earlier that since the VESA defines their clock
speed only up to 40 Mhz, therefore using a processor above that speed 
would be useless.  Is that true???

	I thought BUS speed is a completely different entity from processor
speed, since we've been running 33MHZ or 50MHZ on a 16-bit 8 MHZ ISA(AT)
BUS?  And that is why we use memory cache to offset this speed difference. 
Isn't it safe to assume that this 32-bit 40 Mhz VL-BUS will only 
improve the performance of the 486/50MHZ? 

Any Computer Archictecture Specialists out there? 

Chung Yang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gsbg9079@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (G. Scott Braley)
Subject: Re: BERNOULLI BERNOULLI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:01:58 GMT

"Gentlemen":  I can see how you might think that this scintillating conversation
would be of deep interest to this newsgroup, but do you suppose you could move
it to, perhaps, email, or alt.flame, or dev/null, or something _other_ than
this group?  Thanks _so_ much for your consideration.

I am also in the process of trying to decide between a Bernoulli and a Syquest,
so anyone else with any opinions/info please post it.  I did pick out the info
amongst the flames, so those two need not post further, as far as I am 
concerned.

					-Scott

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From: roy@ug.cs.dal.ca (David Roy)
Subject: Headphone Jack Installment???
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:00:44 GMT

Does anyone have infor on how to install a headphone jack into my PC, from the
PC-speaker???   If you do, please e-mail me or post it... thanks.

David Roy.
roy@ug.cs.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:24:09 -0400 
From: Ke-Wei Ma <km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: How to fix an 8513?

   I have just got around to fixing a busted 8513 (I forget which number
but it is the IBM PS/2 13" color monitor).  My problem is that the
picture is distorted.  The image is shifts @30 degrees from the bottom
edge of the screen and it seems to move from side to side.  Sometimes it
spins clockwise, counter clockwise or just stops.
    Anybody have any idea if this fix requires me just to adjust the
pots in the monitor or do I have to have it sent out to get it fixed? 
Where do I get a screw driver to open the case up?  The monitor uses
screws like those found in Compaqs, Philips screws but with a huge
dimple in the center, but I have the slightest idea where to get one.

Thanks
Ke-Wei
From: S_JUFFA@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Norbert Juffa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Replacing a Cyrix486DLC on a 386DX-33
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:22:57 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav1.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <19snh8INN3ip@aludra.usc.edu> jleon@usc.edu writes:

> Hi folks!, I've heard that you can change you 386DX-33 CPU for a Cyrix
> 486DLC-33 which is pin compatible. Is this true?  Does anybody have done
> this?  How is the speed improvement?  Can I use a 387 coprocesor with it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Juan Leon

I did such a replacement and it worked without problems. I tried all 
coprocessors available with the 486DLC and there were problems with
the Cyrix EMC87 and the IIT 3C87. The Cyrix EMC87 is compatible to older
Cyrix 83D87 chips, so these will not work, too. Since Cyrix has the fastest
387 coprocessors, it would be a good idea to get one of the new coprocessors
from Cyrix (called 387+ in Europe and (still!) 83D87 otherwhere). These run
OK with the 486DLC. Speedup for integer apps with the 486DLC is 35%  on the
average with the cache on the 486DLC enabled (you need a small program from
Cyrix to enable it), with some programs up to 80% faster. Speedup for fp
intensive applications using a coprocessor is up to 30% faster than using
the same copro with the 386DX from Intel. One small problem: If the internal
cache of the 486DLC is enabled and I do a soft reset (Alt-Ctrl-Del), the
machine hangs during bootup. I either have to disable the cache first or
do a hard reset. This is some problem with the BIOS, I think. This is the
reason that the cache is disabled by default after a reset and must be
enabled with software. I am going to post a benchmark comparison between
the 386DX, 38600DX, RapidCAD, and 486DLC here shortly.


Norbert
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: 1x9 vs. 1x3 memory
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:56:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.105007@cs.utwente.nl> waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg) writes:

>O.K. Pay attention now :-),

>1 Mb x 9 stands for 1 M*bit* x 9. Since 8 bits make 1 byte, 1 Mb x 8 becomes a
>total of 1 MByte. The 9th bit is used as parity bit.

Then I'm sure someone will want to know what a "parity bit" was
next  9-)  Something to do with nuclear warheads no doubt....  9-)



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From: jtw@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jui-tai.wang)
Subject: Re: UNIX on INTEL based machines
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:34:05 GMT

In article <F5z-mb-@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 	Just wonder.  Is it worth it to run UNIX on a 3/486.  I heard
> about SCO UNIX.  Could someone explain what this is?  
	Yes
> 	Can I run X-windows on it?  
	Yes
> 	Can I use X-based softwares on it?  Like XV or something?  
	Yes
> 	Does it run efficient or fast enough enough to be useful???
	Yes/No
> 	Is it compatible with SUN UNIX Stations?
	No (!?)

Basic idea: I went to the UNIX Expo last thursday in NYC, and saw with
my eys(as well typed with my hands) SVR4.2 running on a tower model
Gateway 486/33 DX machine (should have asked if they use IDE or SCSI
drives). The SVR4.2 package box specifically mention support of
WD disks and SCSI disks. Besides Gateway machines, that unix also runs
on NEC machines and others. Their demo use 486/33 or 486/50, with
16MB RAM. It was presented that 4-6MB is minimum required to run
SVR4.2, but as all we know, the more memory you have, the less swapping
the machine will suffer, and thus faster. All of them are running with
Motif/OpenLook desktop (on top of X windows). There are even vendors
selling XKsh and X software development tools (admittingly a bit expensive
for the whole package) I think the response of this particular version of
UNIX(r) is reasonably fast (open an icon on the GUI desktop, the it didn't
repaint the screen slower then what I've seen for Window 3.1 - so much
about MS Window)

	I must admit that I'm biased to SVR4.2: I just love what is
shown in the Expo - and SCO is based on SVR3, which is too old as far
as I'm concern.

	One more goodie: it runs DRDOS 6.0 and Window 3.0 in real mode
too (waiting for it to run DOS product for protected mode).

Richard Wang
AT&T
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From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: Keep computer on all time or turn off once everyday ?
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 08:05:05 GMT

In <1992Sep24.160644.23265@tandon.com> tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>This is sorta related... the EPA has begun contacting the
>computer manufacturers around the country to get them to
>design "instant-on" systems with automatic power-down.

I'm curious as to how these power management systems detect idleness.  I ask
this from the perspective of multi-tasking/multi-user systems.  I can't see
a reasonable way of doing such power management in such a system.

PS- I'm in the computer on/moniter off camp.  I currently have 4 computers
at home which I run full time.  2 are Unix systems networked together and to
a 3rd DOS AT system.  The other is a standalone DOS system, but it also
serves as power supply for a couple of disk drives on the Sun.

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