From: rks@teal.csn.org (Reykja K. Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Republicans & Propaganda
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:51:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <1992Sep4.024031.4910@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
>In article <MAD.92Sep2143650@spirit.spirit.clearpoint.com>, mad@spirit.spirit.clearpoint.com (Michael Davis) writes:
>
>> [specific Hitlerian ravings deleted]
>
>> I think I see where you want our thoughts to end up after reading your
>> post: Hitler say some things and was a Nazi.  Republicans say some
>> similar things.  Therefore Dan Quayle is a Nazi.
>
>Forget the "therefore" and your logical scruples.  I would willingly
>agree that neither Bush, nor even Quayle (not even -yech- Buchanan)
>are Nazis.  They would, I am sure, be *greatly* pained if someone
>(other than a Democrat, of course) called them this, and would go
>on at great length about how badly misunderstood they are to be called
>such horrible names.

      I am not sure that I can buy the logic: If Jeffrey Dahmer is a 
white male and a cannibal then all white males must be cannibals. 

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>Indeed, they are about the only thing I find MORE comtemptible than
>Nazis -- they are "ordinary" poeple floundering to gain/keep power[*]
>by any conceivable appeal, with ZERO interest in the consequences.
>They wish to DRAW on the sources of Nazi power and the hatred and
>violence that implies, while having the purest and cleanest of con-
>sciences, since -- after all -- they don't REALLY mean that everyone
>they use as targets should be hauled out of house and home and beaten
>and sent to camps to be disposed of.  Oh, goodness, no.  They just want
>power.  Why is everyone so upset?  It's so, like, unFORtunate if a
>few people get excited and indulge in possibly (if the juries can't
>be swayed by fundie rhetoric) culpable behavior when we speak of such
>pure and peaceful things like family values...
>------
>[*] the pagan community that is unympathetic to "christian" notions
>should note that this is the kind of thing a Christian has in mind
>in talking about "original sin."  It is *not* pretty.

          I agree with  you entirely here. I believe that those 
creepy politicians who are in the saddle at the moment are even
*worse* than Nazis! The Nazis *claim* to have had a higher purpose. 
These guys don't even bother with that subterfuge. They just want to 
tell us what is best for us -- because they believe they have some 
sort of ghod-given power to do so. Scary as hell. (whoops -- scary as
niflheim?) 

          Family values? What in the name of ghu do they *really* mean
by that? If any of the recent stuff coming out(sexual abuse of children
who have spent years locked in a veil of secrecy, authoritarianism, 
no rights for children, on and dreary on) about the families those 
of us nearing forty grew up in, who wants it? 

          If family values means creating a nurturing, loving environment
for children to grow up in -- I am all for it. I also know that basing
it on a philosophy that continually reinforces that we are 'worms of 
the earth' and worthless blobs of protoplasm will never work! 

                                                      

                                What can we do to stop this? 
                                Any ideas? 


-reykjavik

                              The seeking of wisdom is the highest virtue-
                                                 --Odin--


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>					not even death -- that is so fixed
>mls@usl.com				in the present tense as love."
>standard disclaimer					-- Jess Anderson
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