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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:10:55 GMT
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Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

>Dave> I've also heard (in s.c.j.) that it isn't possible to be a dual
>Dave> national so if they become Japanese, they have to give up their
>Dave> Korean nationality. According to the thread, this doesn't apply only
>Dave> to Koreans but to anybody: it isn't possible to have Japanese
>Dave> nationality and any other. 

>Not only you will lose your nationality as you have to "adapt" your
>name for Katakana, Hiragana or Kanji(with Japanese spelling), what
>make them lose their original names (in some sense).

Yes, so I've heard. But for me this would only be a minor inconvenience
compared to losing citizenship in my mother country.

>Dave> However, while there was some authoritative evidence given that it
>Dave> *is* possible for U.S. citizens to be dual nationals (changed maybe
>Dave> 10 years ago?) there wasn't any for Japan. Can anybody confirm this? 

>Yes and No. You have to give up all nationalities you had before you
>became a US citizen, however after you got your citizenship you can
>hold another nationalities under some restrictions (You can only
>hold these nationalities on the base of convenience, then you 
>cannot give the impression that another country is "more important"
>than US for you, like doing military service, holding political
>posts, etc...) There is a very nice FAQ about this question in
>USENET.

Yes. I think I read it. And for people born of non-U.S. parents
while in the U.S. it is possible to have dual nationality.

>In Japan, dual citizenship will be permitted only before you have
>20 years old. After that you have to choose what nationality
>you want. (In fact, I have some friends who didn't do that option
>and still hold their japanese nationality, but this is illegal)
>If you naturalize japanese you must give up your nationalities.

So I understand. Not that I doubt what you say, but it's just that I
wanted some authorative reference. 

You see what I find very curious is why such a big thing is made of
having to change your name, but no mention is made of how people
born in Japan of non-Japanese parents are not able to hold dual
nationality. 

Dave

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:36:21 GMT
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Dave> I had no credit, and I had no capital, so I had to rely on character.  
Dave> Since I'm such a wonderful person this wasmn't problem :-) But,
Dave> seriously, the way you dress, the way you talk, and the way you
Dave> behave yourself is important. IMNO, getting angry and claiming
Dave> injustices doesn't do a lot for your character! 

Well, probably getting angry would not resolve the problem, but 
to claim injustice is a right for any person in this world. People
could have stereotyped images that someone "blue-eyed, blond,
with suits" would be more reliable than another groups. I know
that in California, minorities as black people or "hispanics"
(I don't like this expression...) are refused more frequently
to receive mortgages loans than white people with same income
level. And I particularly admire one person's character when
file a complain about prejudice. Never late to say, but oppresion
leads to mental suffering what could cause someone to become
"angry".

 
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From: okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Summary: Stereotype
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:15:16 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Univ. of Osaka Prefecture, Dept of Earth Science, Sakai, Japan

In article <1799@nttvdt.ntt.jp>, konagai@nttvdt.NTT.JP (Shunsuke Konagai) writes:

> For example
> I admired an American for his skill of using chopsticks.
> I even wonderd when I met foreigners who speak fluent Japanese.
> Everytime I got to know a foreigner, I wanted to ask him/her *THE* question.
>   "How do you like Japan?" ;-)

Funny, these seem to me very natural reaction for anyone not familiar with
foreigners.  I wonder this kind of behaviour, very naive, hurt a foreigner.

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I suppose something else should have been mentioned.  I could not imagine
what it was.   I'm a typical Japanese ???

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:21:53 GMT
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Claude>				       As in Japan, we have
Claude> basicly "one culture" (note: I said basicly), there's that kind of
Claude> "ishin denshin" where the japanese can understand each other very
Claude> easy. 

Kenji> Although you may not know (sorry), I think there are no "ishin denshin" 
Kenji> in Japanese society.  Ironically, this is my view, there are
Kenji> much of guess to meditate how he/she could accept my proposal( or
Kenji> something like that we want to do), or what he/she want to let me to do......
Kenji> These processes are carried out without any words, only in his/her mind.

You may say not, but (sorry :-) ) the japanese culture is extremely
homogenous and their education since childhood is to conform with
the mainstrean way of thinking. It's very easy to "interface" with
each other because of it, I think. Probably in some near future,
this won't be valid anymore because there are more and more japanese
looking for values for themselves, but so far "ishin denshin" is 
possible due all that standard education and homogenous background.














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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.law
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:10:11 GMT
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Masahiko> I understand that the credit card system stands on the reliability of 
Masahiko> keeping payment of consumer.  If the company doubts on you even if you 
Masahiko> have enough income to pay, the company would be criticized that they 
Masahiko> discriminated consumers by the nationality.  

Masahiko> I don't have not much knowledge about law, but, isn't it illegal?
Masahiko> I think at least this is injustice.... 

But, think about if the credit company think that a foreigner cannot
be a reliable payer because he can leave Japan at any time without
paying his bills. In fact, I've heard a lot of cases like that. 
Someone gets the credit card in a foreign country and spend all
he can and then leave. Unfortunately, this is true, but I think
the credit companies could create mechanisms to avoid such kind
of fraud  requiring a guarantor, etc. 

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:37:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana) writes:

>  Some narrow minded Japanese say 'If they want to have rights in Japan,
>they might as well naturalize, or they better get away from here'.
>This is also the attitude of the Government toward them.  But once you
>wish to naturalize, change of name into Japanese way are STRONGLY 
>RECOMMENDED.  If you won't, the offer will be possibly rejected.
>So many Koreans refuse to naturalize because they won't lose their
>identities.  

I've also heard (in s.c.j.) that it isn't possible to be a dual
national so if they become Japanese, they have to give up their
Korean nationality. According to the thread, this doesn't apply only
to Koreans but to anybody: it isn't possible to have Japanese
nationality and any other. 

However, while there was some authoritative evidence given that it
*is* possible for U.S. citizens to be dual nationals (changed maybe
10 years ago?) there wasn't any for Japan. Can anybody confirm this? 

Thanks,

p.s. Nice to see all the activity here :-)

Dave

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From: okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Summary: Not only for foreigners, but I need
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:48:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Univ. of Osaka Prefecture, Dept of Earth Science, Sakai, Japan

In article <KENJI.92Sep10121721@kappore.tom.astem.or.jp>, kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

> In article <CLAUDE.92Sep10104436@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
> // One thing I suggest to Mr. Huss: not only Taiwanese-Japanese but
> // other Chinese-Japanese are suffering from the discrimination.
> 
>  |I think it's time (how Mr. Rikitake said in his post) to break
>  |the illusion that Japan can be "homogenous" and "monolithic"
>  |forever. Much more than $@9q:]2=(J, Japan needs $@2ACM4Q$NJ#?t2=!JJQ$J(J
>  |$@F|K\8l$HJ,$+$C$F$$$k$1$l$I$b!#!#>P!K(J. 
> 
> $@2ACM4Q$NB?MM2=(J should be better for describing "making social change
> for accepting many kind of values."

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I think $@2ACM4Q$NB?MM2=(J is much more nice idea as a phrase for present
problem, rather than "Internationallization of Japan".   I would like
to have this thoughts not only for 'foreighners', but for myself.

PS.

I noticed the sad story on Twaiwanese-Japanese or Korean-Jpananese
which Claude$@$5$s(J wrote.  I have nothing to say about this.
It's a too sad story......

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From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Tokyo Journal, Heroes, Fukushima Mizuho
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:42:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.
In-reply-to: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp's message of 9 Sep 92 11:27:48 GMT


In article <DAVE.92Sep9202748@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp> dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:

 >>My favorite section is "The Conversation," interviews with prominent Tokyo
 >>people.  This month the interviewee was Fukushima Mizuho, a laywer and
 >>women's (and foreigners') rights activist.  I really enjoyed it, and I
 >>just wish the interview was longer.
 >>$@$=$N;(;o$NCf(J$@$N0lHVLLGr$$$H;W$&$N$O!"!V(JThe Conversation$@!W$H$$$&Kh7n0c$&El5~(J
 >>$@L>?M$H$N%$%s%?%S%e!<$G$9!#:#7n$OJ!Eg(J$@$_$:$[!JJ[8n;N!"=w@-$N8"Mx$N$?$a$N(J
 >>activist$@$J$I!K$G$9!#$9$4$/LLGr$+$C$?$1$l$I$b!"C;$9$.$k$N$G$9!#(J
 >>
 >>If I were to make a list of Tokyo Hero(ine/e)s, she would definitely be in
 >>it. (And Dave Specter would be in the list of Tokyo Anti-heroes)

Uh, sorry, Dave, but who is Dave Specter (the name is familiar) and
which "contribution" he made to belong to the anti-hero list ?

Rafael.
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From: araki@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Sumio Araki)
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:22:49 GMT

In article <CLAUDE.92Sep8145530@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

 |It's not just like the same thing as foreigners without a re-entry visa
 |cannot use "Japanese" counters. I'm saying that because I was *really*
 |surprised when I came from my last business trip and the person in
 |"Foreigner" counter said:" Hey! Why don't you use the japanese counter?".
 |Then I said:"Simple, I"m not japanese", he said: "No.No. If you have a
 |re-entry visa you can go there". Then I was wondering why the japanese
 |didn't write something like:"Japanese and residents" instead that
 |stupid "japanese" only.... :-) :-) (Two :-) just in case...)
 |

I completely understand the situation.

In Japan, we often face incorrect descriptions like this case (Of
cource in Japanese).
I suppose, as Japanese community is very suitable for "Ishin-denshin",
almost all of Japanese don't care to explain exactly.  My under-
standing is as same as yours. -:)
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From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: I went to Mt. Fuji and... [English]
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:35:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.


Hello again ! 

First, thanks to all that people that posted suggestions on going to 
climb Mt. Fuji. 

I went there and... RAINED A LOT ! We could not even see the mountain !
We climbed until the 7th $@$4$&$a(J and decided to return. 
I also decided to return there next year - Some people maybe will think
it is foolish, but is a question of honor, now. 

Subliminar message: VOTE FOR FJ.LIFE.IN-JAPAN.

Rafael.

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From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Tokyo Journal, Heroes, Fukushima Mizuho
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:27:48 GMT

How many people here read Tokyo Journal?
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My favorite section is "The Conversation," interviews with prominent Tokyo
people.  This month the interviewee was Fukushima Mizuho, a laywer and
women's (and foreigners') rights activist.  I really enjoyed it, and I
just wish the interview was longer.
$@$=$N;(;o$NCf$N0lHVLLGr$$$H;W$&$N$O!"!V(JThe Conversation$@!W$H$$$&(J$@Kh7n0c$&El5~(J
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activist$@$J$I!K$G$9(J$@!#$9$4$/LLGr$+$C$?$1$l$I$b!"C;$9$.$k$N$G$9!#(J

If I were to make a list of Tokyo Hero(ine/e)s, she would definitely be in
it.  (And Dave Specter would be in the list of Tokyo Anti-heroes)

Who else could we include in this list?

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$@$N0-Lr$N%j%9%H$KMh$k$H!"I,$:(JDave Specter$@$rF~$j$^$7$g$&!#(J

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From: araki@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Sumio Araki)
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
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In article <KENJI.92Sep9151616@kappore.tom.astem.or.jp> kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

 | |Or in the other words, WE Japanese really want to be in uniform society,
 | |I cann't believe this yet.  Is this reality ?
 |
 |I think not. Japan is well-segmented country - I find serious cultural
 |difference after moving out from Tokyo to Osaka on July. The
 |government is trying to spread illusion towards its people that they
 |are a united race - to avoid people to break apart and to get
 |uncontrollable. Alas, many people, especially old ones, strongly and
 |blindly believe that Japan is a monolithic nation.
 |

  I suppose Japan is well-segmented into "Mura".  It's a symbol of
segmented, homogenized and exclusive society.

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From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: Maa maa hamadasan
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:46:54 GMT

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:58:15 GMT
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Kenji> Many countries outside Japan belong to contract-based societies.
Kenji> Ishin-denshin style of communication is considered strange if you are
Kenji> living in a contract-based society, all issues possible to happen
Kenji> should be written and no exception will be accepted - and if an
Kenji> agreement is not declared you are totally free from it.

I liked your position. This is *really* true... I'm always looking
for holes in my contracts... :-)

 >>I believe humans have some common intrinsic values all over the world.

Kenji> I also think many ethnic groups share values such as love, peace, and
Kenji> humanity. But the problem is those values are differently implemented
Kenji> among different societies and language groups.

Yes, and there are another common values too: War, Rage, Greed, Poverty...
I was just wondering, because when I called my relatives in Los Angeles
after the looting, they were very sad and hopeless about how different
races could live togheter. The racial problem in the US is very serious
now, but the candidates only think about "bigger problems" like: 
family values and abortion... :-) 
 
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:16:49 GMT
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Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


>Some credit card company won't accept them as a user.
Kim> $@$3$l$OK\Ev$G$9$+(J?

Two years ago, when I thought to get the ASCII card to use
ASCII-net, I was refused even having enough salary and etc....
A friend of mine, student, get that card very easy...
I was refused to many other credit cards as well with no
real reason (At least for me :-) ). 

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