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From: cary@jove.Colorado.EDU (John R. Cary)
Subject: Gateway problems with Mamakos SLIP
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:10:36 GMT

I am trying to set up my NeXT as a slip server using the SLIP
package by L. Mamakos.  

I finally got slip to work for the subnet (128.138.145) on which
the NeXT sits, but I cannot communicate with machines not on the
128.138.145 subnet.

On the slip server (the NeXT, apaschair)  I set
ip# = 128.138.145.7
slip0local = 128.138.145.13
slip0remote = 128.138.145.12
slip0netmask = 128.138.255.254
(If this last is .255, 'netstat -r' on the NeXT does not show .12 routed
via .13.  If this last is .0, it works just as well.)

On the Mac I set VersatermAdminSLIP to
ip# = 128.138.145.12
netmask = 255.255.255.255
gateway = 128.138.145.13

At this point I was able to telnet successfully to 128.138.145.7.
However, I could not log in to 128.138.145.4 (apas).

I then went to apas and added the static route to 128.138.145.12
being by the gateway 128.138.145.7.  At this point I was able to 
telnet to 128.138.145.4.

I cannot log in to other machines on the subnet.  I presume I have
to tell each of them what the route to 128.138.145.12 is.

I cannot log into any machines off the subnet, and I cannot
log into any machines by name.  I presume that no machines off the
128.138.145 subnet know how to get to 128.138.145.13.  This would
explain both the lack of off-subnet telnet and nameservice.

Does my Next need to be broadcasting that packets to 128.138.145.12
should be sent to 128.138.145.7?  How is this done?

Or should my NeXT automatically pick off any packets to 128.138.145.12?
Again, how?

Or, does the subnet gateway (phys-gw145 = 128.138.145.1) need to be set up
so that it knows that packets to 128.138.145.12 are to be sent to 
128.138.145.7?

Thanks for any help.
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Department of Astrophysical, Planetary and Atmospheric Sciences
University of Colorado, Boulder, CO 80309-0391
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From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: [summarized] Tracing sw for NeXT
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.130257.22928@alf.uib.no> edmbv@taxus.uib.no (Bj|rn Asle  
Valde) writes:
> Recently I posted asking for pointers to tracing software for the NeXT,
> e.g. software to take (typically scanned) bitmaps and convert it to
> vector-based representation. I've received some answers (Thanks!) and
> summarized them below. If you see this, and think we've missed something,
> then please post or mail me.
> 
> Thanks to:
> 
> 	Thor Lee Legvold <eik!edb.uib.no!T.Legvold>
> 	<eik!husc.harvard.edu!evensen>
> 	Borris Balzer <eik!boba.rhein-main.de!borris>
> 	eik!angst.com!dylan (Dylan Kohler)
> 	eik!trumpet.att.com!mdw (Mark Wuest)
> 	Max Boehm (boehm@cs.uni-duesseldorf.de)
> 
> (1) Programs to do Tracing (BIZ)
> ---------------------------------
> 
> Possibilities are: Avant Vector 2.0, Adobe Illustrator.

I think many of us have used Illustrator, but comparitively few of us have even  
HEARD of Avant Vector, let alone used it.

I think many of us are curious about Avant Vector.  I would like to know of  
myself how it compares with what I am already familiar with (Illustrator).  If  
anyone out there has used both, please post your observations!

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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Two-up small font from ASCII text?
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:35:16 GMT

gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes
> I have a large ASCII document that I want to print. To
> prevent using hundreds of pages I want to use two pages
> (on A5 format) on every A4 page I print. I have Edit (of
> course), Writenow and Wordperfect. Do people have a good trick
> of achieving this?
> 

In Edit and WriteNow, go to the format->Page Layout panel and choose  
2-up from the pop-up list.
WordPerfect, as you might expect from one of the most feature-laden  
apps around, has no way of doing this.

It would be great if Preview let you do it (in fact, its ludicrous  
that it doesn't); then from any app you'd just print to .ps and use  
preview to print it.

--
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From: rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NeXT Word Processors - Junk, garbage, and more junk...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:43:05 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


I haven't used FrameMaker on NeXT, but there sure seems to be a lot of talk
about it here...I have PasteUp, however, and have little use for another layout
program...also, I have numerous complaints similar to the ones Jeff made...

What the NeXT community needs is a REAL NeXT word processor, not some port
or psuedo-whatever-wanna-be...MicroSoft...NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!!!

Bill Gates said he'd piss on the machine before he developed for it...I'd 
sooner piss on Word before I used it...

MS Word is the WORST word processor out there...even AppSoft's cheesey
WriteNow is miles ahead of Gates' garbage!  Word Perfect doesn't have a bad
thing going - if they'd just take the time to fix it!!!  I have heard AppSoft
is developing a brand-new-from-the-ground-up word processor - I wish them the
best of luck and can't wait to see it!

I just wish Paragon Concepts would write a NeXT version of Nisus...then I'd
have a reason to shut up!

Later,
Rob

rawyatt@scf.usc.edu
rob@mindvox.phantom.com
raw@cyberden.uucp
(NeXTmail accepted --- plain 'ol ASCII mail prefered)
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From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Adobe Photoshop: Port that suckah' over!
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:27:06 GMT

Randy Adams writes
| ...  Adobe  
| would have to be crazy to waste any more money trying to support next until  
| the total NeXTSTEP install base is at least equal to the number of Macintoshs  
| sold in one month.

Does anyone have any cold, hard numbers on the NeXT installed base currently?
Breakdowns into categories like: student (not likely to spend big money on  
apps), educational (perhaps potential customers if the research budget allows),  
and corporate (primary use of the NeXT, such as graphics, custom-apps,  
desktop-publishing, etc. would be nice, too).

Did I perhaps miss such numbers being posted earlier?
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Adobe Photoshop: Port that suckah' over!
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:23:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.220409.28619@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec13.205727.20660@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec11.212746.1895@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
>>>>In article <1992Dec10.141950.9223@chromagrafx.com> msb@chromagrafx.com writes:
>>>>>after they buy Image.  When I saw it at Seybold they had most of the features
>>>>>of Photoshop but were greatly lacking in speed and it seemed that it crawled
>>>>>when making changes to the image.  
>>>>
>>>>The new beta of Image is significantly faster than the previous ones.
>>>
>>>The new beta of Image is fast and highly Photoshop competitive, feature
>>>for feature as well as performance-wise. When Image hits the streets this
>>>thread may never again surface--it's really that good. Just don't try to
>>>edit CMYK images on a 16MB color slab--RGBA screams, however.
>>
>
>When is RETOUCHE supposed to be released?  I heard it will have retouching
>features comparable to a $500,000 SCITEX machine.

Well, so does photoshop, it's just not going to be quite as fast as,
say a Scitex Blaze on a NSTC.


andrew
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From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Adobe and .eps file ending
Keywords: postscript
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:28:20 GMT

I've been doing a bunch of work lately with plots in EPS format, and 
I noticed something different in my system since upgrading to 3.0.
It used to be that the AdobeIllustrator registered the .eps file ending
(and didn't Image Viewer as well?) so that you could make it the default 
application for .eps files. Now it doesn't seem to since AI is not
in the list of possibility in teh Tools Inspector for .eps files.  Anyone
know how to restore this? or did they change AI when they made the minor
upgrade last year? (I installed the AI upgrade at the same time I upgraded
to 3.0, so I don't know exactly what caused the difference). Note I did
go and change the name of the application and its folder so that .ai files
register properly.  

While we're on the subject:  does anyone have a suggestion for a good basic
.eps file previewer/printer application?  Preview is way too finicky for 
my taste. I often make EPS files by hitting the Save button in the print
panel, then using BBFig to get the Bounding Box right.  Preview has a major
fit wiht these files, but they image perfectly on drag and drop into 
Create, Diagram, etc. Under 2.1 I could use Scene, which was perfect for
the task, and also had the nice "position in center" and "scale to fit"
options in the print panel.  Is there anything else like that around? Or
has anyone fixed Scene (as someone was kind enough to do for Icon) so it
works under 3.0?

  
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From: ian_stewart@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programming,comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: PARABASE v1.1 FOR SALE
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:21:41 GMT
Organization: PYRIAN - Software Group, San Francisco Calif, 415-664-1170

PARABASE v1.1 for sale.
Now works with Sybase or Oracle

$450.00 includes examples disks, shipping etc.

Send check or money order to:

Ian H. Stewart
236 W. Portal Ave #341
San Fran  CA 94127

or

E-mail and I will send COD

ian_stewart@pyrian.com


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From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Subject: Retouche and other image editing apps
Reply-To: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:37:39 GMT

I have a brochure on Retouche, and saw it at Seybold, but that's the  
extent of my knowledge of this product. Does anyone know if it is  
currently in production, or is it still beta? Is anyone using it right  
now? 

I'm trying to understand how the features and capabilities of Image,  
Retouche, PixelMaster, Compose In Color, PhotoStylist, etc. will  
compare and to what extent they overlap. I haven't gotten involved with  
image editing tools on the Mac or PC, so I don't have any baseline to  
use in judging what these apps do and how well they do it.

I'd love to hear from anyone who has had the opportunity to do an  
evaluation of some of these apps, and learn what features are critical  
vs. nice-to-have, etc. Disregarding the cost of the packages, which one  
would you want if you could only buy one, and why would you choose it  
over the others?

Until now, there really hasn't been much choice other than using Icon,  
so I don't think I have a good picture of what real commercial image  
editing apps should be able to do, and how much they should cost.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, I'm sure that a lot of people would  
like to see them posted.

John Bartley
john@wpa.com
From: me@ienext.unl.edu (Dan Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NeXT Word Processors - Junk, garbage, and more junk...
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:04:29 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Reply-To: me@ienext.unl.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ienext.unl.edu

In article <1992Dec12.105212.5935@mic.ucla.edu>  
iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes:

> ... TeX: ...  TeX is very mediocre for tables. ... 

I guess I'm not quite clear on what you mean by mediocre here.  
If you mean difficult to use, then I agree with you. But if you  
mean that the quality of the table is poor or that there is not  
enough flexibility in the table format then I must disagree. In  
fact, I find tables in TeX to be a thing of beauty. I notice  
that you say you do your work in LaTeX and this could account  
for the disagreement. Tables made in LaTeX using the tabular  
environment are easier to generate---but not so nice looking. I  
wish that I knew of some *easy* way to get tables as nice as I  
get in TeX! 

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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Adobe Photoshop: Port that suckah' over!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:11:25 GMT

randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) writes:

>Adobe has probably spent and lost more money trying to support NeXT than almost  
>any other third party developer.  Problem is that there are only about 1,000  
>people out there who at any given time would buy a NeXT application.  Adobe  
>would have to be crazy to waste any more money trying to support next until the  
>total NeXTSTEP install base is at least equal to the number of Macintoshs sold  
>in one month.

Randy, I certainly hope you aren't in the marketing department of
Appsoft...  I seriously do not agree with your 1,000 number.  There
are several commercial sites that have >500 NeXTs at each alone.
(not to mention however many the US Gov't has).  There are far more
than 1,000 licenses to be had of software that does something that
the average user would want. (Ok, it's up for question as to whether
or not Adobe Photoshop qualifies as one of these, but a good
word processor would certainly qualify - II am absolutely certain
that WordPerfect has sold more than 1,000 copies of WordPerfect for
NeXT)

Maybe Randy thinks that no one buys NeXT products because no one has
bought Draw.  I know that I did not recommend it after I loaded the
picture of the sports car, zoomed in twice (as I can do with
Illustrator quite easily) and had the machine freeze writing an
infinitely big swapfile. (Well, I did telnet in and stop it as the
swapfile was rounding the 220 MB mark on a 32 MB color station)

I would be interested to know how many licenses of Diagram! have been
sold.  My guess would be far more than 1,000, as it is an extremely
well-designed and fairly priced product.

Everyone keeps selling NeXTs short as far as market penetration.
It's not in huge numbers yet, but we are making significant inroads
in many markets!
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: NeXT Word Processors - Junk, garbage, and more junk...
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:48:33 GMT

Robert Alexander Wyatt writes
> And remember....MicroSoft must DIE !

If the latest Nisus has all the features of MS Word 5.1/Mac and the  
ability to load in MS Word/Mac (any version) files, then I'd recommend  
Nisus in a moment too.  But since so many people buy computers based on  
what software is available for them, and people convert to Macs just to  
run MS Word, then the availability of an appropriately priced and  
functionally-equivalent (equivalent to the Mac version) MS Word/NeXT  
might not be a bad thing for NeXT sales.

Until then, TeX is nice and powerful, but there are so many people who  
want GUI word processors, someone could make a good chunk of money  
catering to our needs.  There's so much potential with NeXTSTEP, it  
should be great when someone uses all of it.

One last opinion about pricing: $800 for any piece of software is more  
than 4X too much.  When I think about how much work NeXT has already  
put into NeXTSTEP that is available so easily (and work that NeXTSTEP  
consumers have already paid for), as well as considering that I got an  
entire piece of hardware and an operating system for less than that, I  
think it's just silly to price any single piece of software that high.   
But as long as people are willing to shell out that kind of money, I  
can only blame the consumers for doing so (and essentially telling the  
software publishers that that is a good price for what they're  
selling).
-- 
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From: elmi@rrz.de (Elmar K. Bins)
Subject: Desperately searching for elm/rn (for NeXT)
Keywords: elm rn software next
Organization: Rhein-Rechenzentrum GmbH, Koblenz, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:12:57 GMT

Hi,

could somebody tell me where to find sources/execs for both elm and rn (if  
execs, then for NeXT) ?

Thanx in advance

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From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: OODBMS:  VROOM
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:24:08 GMT

has anyone heard about an OODBMS developed in France called VROOM?  it's  
supposed to be blindingly fast.  info info anyone anyone?
-- 
Shawn Broderick
Monitor Company / Information Engineering
Director, BCS NeXT
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From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe)
Subject: Video
Organization: Geomatic a.s, Norway.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:40:21 GMT



Apple has Qucktime,
Microsoft has software video
Now even IBM has sotfware video showing on OS/2!!

What is NeXT doing????

Why isn't there a "Video" Object that can be placed in mail,
documents etc??

No C-Cube in the NeXTDimention was one thing, but this is something I
hope NeXT Will address very shortly iv they want to keep up the
leading edge image.

-Tor
tor@geomatic.no
From: rawyatt@girtab.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Compose In Color? Anybody use it?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:37:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu
Keywords: NeXT, Compose In Color, CIC, Freebase

In article <1992Dec13.235001.14241@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) writes:
>
>Well, many days after starting this "Photoshop" and "Image" thread, I have
>stumbled across something interesting.  I've downloaded the demo copy of
>Compose In Color (CIC) off the archives.  Hey, this is interesting!  I don't
>have a color machine, so it kind of sucks for me, but it looks like
>something along the lines of a high-end pixel-editing program.  Has anybody
>bought this program?  Looks expensive.  Looks slow on a color machine, too. 
>But it's got lots of neat-o features, though I haven't finished futzing with
>it yet to see if any of them are really practical.

I also checked out the CIC demo, but wasn't blown away...it is definitely
an interesting piece of work, but I don't know how practical it is...the
interface really got to bother me...and the price...$900!  $600 Higher Ed!
Forget it!  You have to show me something *VERY* impressive for that kind
of price...I haven't heard anything more about the app either...no new
demo version...it has been 1.0 on the servers forever...and I haven't
received any email from the publisher in a long long time...are they still
around???

I also checked out a Swiss program called TIFFany...the company is looking for
a US distributor...has anyone seen/used it?

Guess we're all still waiting for a good image editing app...hope something
turns up soon!

-Rob
rawyatt@scf.usc.edu


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From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks)
Subject: DL 3.0 Searching
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:08:35 GMT

Does anyone know how to perform complex searches
(with AND and OR, etc.) in Digital Librarian 3.0?

I can search on a single word, but nothing else will 
work. There's no documentation!!

In fact the app is rather unintuitive. Help!

Robert de Lucca
rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PaperClip Replaces Command-e
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:47:52 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <61624@aurs01.UUCP> beardall@next1 (Russ Beardall) writes:
> Since upgrading to NeXTSTEP 3.0 I cannot get the Browser to display an  
> inserted 3.5" disk on the Shelf. 
> What happens: the disk is mounted into the Browser and can be searched as  
> usual, but the Shelf does not recognize the disk and therefore does not  
> allow a normal Command-e or menu selection to eject the disk.

this is a known bug in the 3.0 file viewer
there is a simple fix available from NeXT
I believe the ftp site is simply next.com.

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From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities)
Subject: Re: Adobe Photoshop: Port that suckah' over!
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.212746.1895@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.141950.9223@chromagrafx.com> msb@chromagrafx.com writes:
>>after they buy Image.  When I saw it at Seybold they had most of the features
>>of Photoshop but were greatly lacking in speed and it seemed that it crawled  
>>when making changes to the image.  
>
>The new beta of Image is significantly faster than the previous ones.
>
>
>andrew
>-- 
>andrew@cubetech.com      |  "C++'s runtime sucks shit!  Virtual functions
>Andrew Loewenstern       |   can go straight to hell!"  - Ron Pomeroy
>Cube Technologies, Inc.  |


The new beta of Image is fast and highly Photoshop competitive, feature
for feature as well as performance-wise. When Image hits the streets this
thread may never again surface--it's really that good. Just don't try to
edit CMYK images on a 16MB color slab--RGBA screams, however.


-- 
Yan Fang-Magnusson
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yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)