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From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508)
Subject: PrimeService Overview
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:50:20 GMT

                         ATTENTION PRIME CUSTOMERS

                                PrimeService

To those of our customers who are questioning the strength, stability and
longevity of PrimeService, we want to assure you of our ongoing ability to
meet your Prime product and service requirements.  As a result of the recent
announcement consolidating some of the former Prime operations into
PrimeService, we are a stronger company, better positioned to respond to the
long-term requirements of our customers for products and support.

     What PrimeService means to you:

     A single focus for all your 50 Series and EXL product and service
        requirements

     Industry-leading, high quality support, backed by over 20 years
        experience

     One of the world's top 20 service providers as ranked by
        Ledgeway/Dataquest with over $600 million in revenue annually

     Ongoing 50 Series software support and development, including bug
        fixes and enhancements for PRIMOS and Prime INFORMATION
        (PrimeService took over full responsibility for 50 Series and EXL
        software R & D over 12 months ago.)

     A wide range of products and services (not available from third party
        maintainers), including systems, software, networking, conversion
        and value-added products and services (We go well-beyond simple
        hardware repair capabilities of third party maintainers.)

     Over 10,000 customers and 30,000 systems supported worldwide

     Millions of dollars in spare parts inventory for all current 50 Series
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PrimeService is committed to our customers and to helping them maximize the
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         **  SINGLE  FOCUS  FOR  ALL  PRODUCTS  AND  SERVICES  **

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:45:58 GMT

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If the system console executed any External command, the system would
halt.
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From: PHIL.K@PBN45.Prime.COM (Phil Kumbatovic, Product Manager, PRIMOS x7696)
Subject: Re: REV17
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:18:28 GMT

To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: GOLDSTEIN@CSSS-A.Prime.COM
Subject: REV17
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:35:17 EDT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

To:       Info-Prime mail list (info-prime@blx-a)
From:     D. Miles Goldstein (Goldstein@Csss-A)
Date:     27 Aug 92  8:34 AM
Subject:  REV17

> To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
> From: Bert Degenhart Drenth  <BERT@DCS.Prime.COM>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:55:56 +0100
> Sender: ListServer@Blx-A.Prime.COM (Prime Netherlands ListServer v1.12)
> Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
>
> All this talk about rev 17!
> Is this a fin-de-siecle feeling?
> Shouldn't we be discussing rev 25 instead ?
>
> Bert

OK, "Remember back at Rev 25 when you still had to ..." :-)

--- Reply by PHIL.K :

Folk,,,

       If I have anything to do with it, this posting will read,

   At PRIMOS rev 25.0 you will be able to.....

                                       Thump,,,
From: J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM (Jim Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: what is the significance of 11001001 in "11001001"
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:20:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: primerd.1992Sep4.182041.16917
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.

Regarding Prime Computer(s) and ST:TNG:

This was written up in a Prime newsletter some time ago.  The brief version
of the story is some researcher using a Prime workstation (MXL?) had produced
"pictures" of four dimensional space.  Star Trek heard about this and got per-
mission to use them in an episode where "The Traveller" visits when they are
trying some new warp drive varient that sends them way far away.  The distance
is due to one of Wesley's experiments (in reality?) rather than the efforts
of the self-important visiting warp drive expert.

Hope this helps,
Jim
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:15:21 GMT

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	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
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PRIMOS III WAS FOR THE PRIME 300 AND PRIMOS IV WAS FOR THE PRIME 400.
EARLIER THAN THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER NAME.
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From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508)
Subject: Primos Trekkies
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:46:20 GMT

For all of you PRIMOS trekkies.......

Tell me the real story as to why Primos Rev 12 never made it to market.
I will give you a hint....Something about a "black-hole"
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From: trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull)
Subject: Symbolic links under Primos???
Originator: trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:43:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Keywords: Fond wish


   Are there any plans to support symbolic linking of files under Primos?  

-- 
Ed Trumbull <trumbull@unx.sas.com>      
SAS Institute, Inc.      SAS Campus Drive   Cary, NC    27513   USA    
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From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Subject: TEST
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:08:00 GMT

LETS TRY IT WITHOUT PARENTHESIS'
From: tim@shovel.Prime.COM (Tim Cantin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:54:57 GMT
Organization: Prime Computer R&D

I know the postmaster at att.com, and I just asked him to fix it. He asked for
a sample (which I gave him), and is looking into it asap. He already knows who
dunnit :)
-T

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From: D.OLSEN@md-b.prime.com
Subject: tuning
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:55:14 GMT

Jim -
   How long is your CPL routine?  Remember that CPL is an interpreter and "go-to"'s are "no-no"s because they really slow things up.  
  - Dan Olsen

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From: Jim Chivas  Vancouver Community College    <a.0013@VCC3.VCC.BC.CA>
Subject: tuning
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:09:34 PDT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

I am wondering if anyone out there may have some suggestions on
how I might tune my 4150.

This machine has been running fairly
quickly for the past year. The application is COBOL85 and
MIDASPLUS. There are about 30 users logged in, all using the same
login id and therefore the same CPL that presents a menu. This menu
has several selections with each selection invoking a separate
.RUN cobol85 program. The application is one of registering students,
mostly from the phone. Once the program is loaded
from the menu, the response time is very good. The problem seems
to be when the user has to stop one .RUN program and return to the CPL
menu to invoke another .RUN. The time to actually stop the first
.RUN varies from 15 seconds up to 90 seconds. Once the program does
stop and the cpl menu returns, the next .RUN the user selects also takes
about the same time to load and start to execute. Again, once this
second program starts, it is quite fast at accepting terminal input.

I am currently running Primos 23.1 with old AMLC ports plus two
async line printers(not used very much and I don't feel are a factor),
1 ethernet controller running TCP/IP (I only use the amlc
ports for the above application as the etherent connections go to a
teaching lab which is not used when the above application runs).

I have run usage quite a lot which shows my PIO/S at a max of 30 but mostly
below 20, CPU runs at about 20-30%, %miss is less than 10% all the time,
%io is less than 15%. I set E -TS 50 and CHAP ALL -TS 2000. I was
originally running 24MB but added 8 more from another machine to max out
at 32MB. If this extra 8MB had any affect, my users didn't see it.

I have been trying lowering MAXSCH from 50-40-30-20-10, but again the end
users say nothing changes.

Any ideas or comments on things I should be trying.

Jim Chivas
Vancouver Community College
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From: PJC@ukhayc.prime.com
Subject: CMDNC0
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:25:58 GMT

Having only just registered I thought I would start off with a simple question
that's been bugging me for 12 years. Does anybody know what CMDNC0 actually
stands for.
 
      Cheers,

       Phil Crane

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To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: GOLDSTEIN@CSSS-A.Prime.COM
Subject: REV17
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:35:17 EDT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

To:       Info-Prime mail list (info-prime@blx-a)
From:     D. Miles Goldstein (Goldstein@Csss-A)
Date:     27 Aug 92  8:34 AM
Subject:  REV17

> To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
> From: Bert Degenhart Drenth  <BERT@DCS.Prime.COM>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:55:56 +0100
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>
> All this talk about rev 17!
> Is this a fin-de-siecle feeling?
> Shouldn't we be discussing rev 25 instead ?
>
> Bert

OK, "Remember back at Rev 25 when you still had to ..." :-)

--- Reply by PHIL.K :

Folk,,,

       If I have anything to do with it, this posting will read,

   At PRIMOS rev 25.0 you will be able to.....

                                       Thump,,,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: cummings@hammer.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:59:19 GMT

In article <9208261541.AA29353@usenet.rpi.edu>, Slutz@s35.Prime.COM (Donald Slutz, slutz@s35) writes:
> CMDNC0 stands for CoMmanD Device Non-Chargeable 0. This makes much more
> sense on an old partition 6mb disk where a directory could have only 72
> files in it and so there was a need for cmdnc1 etc. (Note: old partitions
> were no longer supported starting at rev 19.0 of PRIMOS.  As I remember it
> rev 11.0 of primos was the start of the current disk format.

Yes, and way back then didn't you have to run commands in CMDNC1 or CMDNC2, or etc
with the CMD command?  Way back before search rules (which was rev 18?).  
I can never remember a system here in Prime Engineering with any more than
a CMDNC0, but I do remeber one customer having 4 of them!  CMDNC1 had to be
on logical disk 1, CMDNC2 had to be on logical disk 2, etc.  The command
processor would only search CMDNC0, and you had to use the CMD command to
run commands in the others.  Gosh, 14 years was a LONG time ago!

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		  I've come to the conclusion that your new
		  defense system SUCKS..."   --  War Games
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From: CHUCK@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk (Chuck Foster)
Subject: Re: Copyright of Source
Reply-To: Chuck@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:48:43 GMT

> I allocated the expand_prompt bit from the MBZ (must be zero) member of
> cldata.flags.  Subsequently it will be zero in earlier revisions.

Ah, so that's what MBZ is :-)


> The way I understand it (or probably misunderstand it) is that, if you
> have a source license, you can use copyrited source for non-commercial,
> non-profit purposes!  In otherwords, you're free to use the source in
> your own library as long as:
>
>     1) The library is used ONLY at your site and
>     2) You don't sell/give the source or the executable to anyone else!
>
> Of course this is only my (twisted) view which probably has no bearing in reality!  Hopefully a fellow Prime-ate will step in and give you a more definitive answer!

Right. Well the library was designed from a use-by-all point of view, though
I wasn't intending to sell it (I'm not that pretentious!). That's fine, so I
will rewrite my own version accordingly :-). One would assume that using the
same % variable names isn't a breach of copyright :-)

Thanks for the clarification!
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From: apirwani@csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Ash H. Pirwani)
Subject: Re: PrimeService Overview
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:48:38 GMT


>      Ongoing 50 Series software support and development, including bug
>         fixes and enhancements for PRIMOS and Prime INFORMATION
>         (PrimeService took over full responsibility for 50 Series and EXL
>         software R & D over 12 months ago.)

Just wondering why support and development of PI/open was not mentioned here.
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:51:55 GMT

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	internet!DCS.Prime.COM!RONALD (Ronald van der Meer (Databasix Information Systems))
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> From: R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666)
                                                  ^   ^
I think that the uucp gateway doesn't like these nested parentheses.

Ronald

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From: aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch)
Subject: Re: Another One
Organization: Koch Research Labs
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:36:57 GMT

In article <9208271555.AA21467@usenet.rpi.edu>, R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508) writes:
> Here is another one for you Primos Trekkies..
> 
> There has been several names for PRIMOS prior to it becoming PRIMOS. Such
> as PRIMOS III, PRIMOS IV, and PRIMOS. (PRIMOS II was for the single user
> operating system).  This one goes way back. What was the first name for
> the multi-user PRIMOS Operating System?

I believe it was PRIMOS III.  It ran on a 400, as I recall...
-- 
Don Koch
aardvark@nt1l.krl.com
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From: MICHAEL_ELLYETT@PR1MEA.Prime.COM
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:45:35 GMT

I thought it was CoMmanD NuCleous 0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: a.0013@VCC3.VCC.BC.CA (Jim Chivas  Vancouver Community College)
Subject: tuning
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:09:34 GMT

I am wondering if anyone out there may have some suggestions on
how I might tune my 4150.

This machine has been running fairly
quickly for the past year. The application is COBOL85 and
MIDASPLUS. There are about 30 users logged in, all using the same
login id and therefore the same CPL that presents a menu. This menu
has several selections with each selection invoking a separate
.RUN cobol85 program. The application is one of registering students,
mostly from the phone. Once the program is loaded
from the menu, the response time is very good. The problem seems
to be when the user has to stop one .RUN program and return to the CPL
menu to invoke another .RUN. The time to actually stop the first
.RUN varies from 15 seconds up to 90 seconds. Once the program does
stop and the cpl menu returns, the next .RUN the user selects also takes
about the same time to load and start to execute. Again, once this
second program starts, it is quite fast at accepting terminal input.

I am currently running Primos 23.1 with old AMLC ports plus two
async line printers(not used very much and I don't feel are a factor),
1 ethernet controller running TCP/IP (I only use the amlc
ports for the above application as the etherent connections go to a
teaching lab which is not used when the above application runs).

I have run usage quite a lot which shows my PIO/S at a max of 30 but mostly
below 20, CPU runs at about 20-30%, %miss is less than 10% all the time,
%io is less than 15%. I set E -TS 50 and CHAP ALL -TS 2000. I was
originally running 24MB but added 8 more from another machine to max out
at 32MB. If this extra 8MB had any affect, my users didn't see it.

I have been trying lowering MAXSCH from 50-40-30-20-10, but again the end
users say nothing changes.

Any ideas or comments on things I should be trying.

Jim Chivas
Vancouver Community College
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: RONALD@DCS.Prime.COM (Ronald van der Meer, Databasix Information Systems)
Subject: uucp gate
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:53:08 GMT


> From: R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666)
                                                  ^   ^
I think that the uucp gateway doesn't like these nested parentheses.

Ronald

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From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria)
Subject: Re: tuning
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:44:57 GMT

The slow response you mention is probably just due to the slow nature
of CPL.  Its terrible!!!  You could create a LOGIN.RUN for your menu
system, and register the programs at system startup time for a quicker
startup.

Leonard

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From: GOLDSTEIN@CSSS-A.Prime.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Primos Trekkies
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

To:       Info-Prime mail list (info-prime@blx-a)
From:     D. Miles Goldstein (Goldstein@Csss-A)
Date:     27 Aug 92  2:00 PM
Subject:  Primos Trekkies

> To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
> From: Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666  <R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:46:20 EDT
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> Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
>
> For all of you PRIMOS trekkies.......
>
> Tell me the real story as to why Primos Rev 12 never made it to market.
> I will give you a hint....Something about a "black-hole"

It didn't?  I thought that's where V-Mode was first introduced!
And the "new" disk formatting!  (Rev 20 specifically said that
it no longer supported pre-rev-12 style disks.)  I look forward
to the answers ... :-}
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PRM -    The Financial Post   (FINP)                          STORY 3

''The recent decline could be due to the market's recognition that
Bush will be defeated and Gov. Bill Clinton will be the next
president,'' said Joseph Barthel, chief investment officer at
Fahnestock & Co. in New York.

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