HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: where is RTAP?
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:14:36 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <1992Apr10.034612.2338@agora.uucp> tinman@agora.rain.com (David Tinnyo) writes:
>
>Where can I find this program, and other anim-from-disk players?
>
>--
>David E. Tin Nyo			"The key to the future is information,
>tinman@agora.rain.com			 and it is FREE."  -The Phoenix Project
>--

It can be had from the file server at graphics.rent.com.


-------------------  Graphics File-Server Info	--------------------

A mail based file server for 3D objects, 24bit JPEG images, GIF images
and image maps is now online for all those with Internet mail access.

The server is the official archive site for the Lightwave 3D mail-list
and contains Lightwave objects, scenes, image maps and JPEGed
renderings from users of the Lightwave 3D software.

Besides the above mentioned image-based files, the server contains many
PD and Shareware graphics utilities for several computer platforms
including Amiga, IBM and Macintosh.

Some samples include:

DKBTRACE    - Raytracer for IBM, Amiga and Mac
RAYSHADE    - Raytracer for different platforms
QRT	    - Raytracer for IBM, Amiga and Mac
FRACTINT    - Fractal program for IBM
GIFJPG	    - Several versions for Amiga, IBM and Mac
WASP	    - Image converter for Amiga
REND	    - 24bit to IFF converter for Amiga
PLAY	    - Several Autodesk .FLI SVGA Players for IBM
GRASPRT     - Latest player for GRASP anim files (Amiga player also)
GRAPHWRK    - Latest Graphics Workshop for IBM
FLI/ANI     - Several .FLI and .ANI anims for IBM
BADGE	    - Killer entries for all 3 years (Amiga)
Objects     - Objects for Imagine, Videoscape, Lightwave and others
Renderings  - JPEGed 24bit images from Mark Thompson and others
Demos	    - ImageCels, Caligari, Autodesk 3D Studio and others

Plus much more!  And many more to come!

The server resides on my BBS called "The Graphics BBS".  The BBS is
operational 24 hours a day 7 days a week at the phone number of +1
908/469-0049.  It utilizes a Hayes V-Series 9600 V.42 modem. (soon to
upgrade to a V.32 modem)

If you would like to submit objects, scenes or images to the server,
please pack, uuencode and then mail the files to the address:

	server@bobsbox.rent.com

For information on obtaining files from the server send a mail message
to the address:

	file-server@graphics.rent.com

with the following in the body of the message:

HELP
/DIR

and a help file describing how to use the server and a complete
directory listing will be sent to you via mail.

-- Bob

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From: e5pj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: DCTV : NTSC and PAL versions.
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:46:20 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University



Hi All!

	I'm thinking of getting a DCTV unit soon but would like to know if it
can be both PAL and NTSC compatible?  That is, is there a switch or jumper on
the unit that will enable me to output its composite signal in PAL or NTSC? 
The reason this is important to me is because when I return home (Singapore), I
would like to be able to use it on PAL systems there.  BTW, my Amiga has a
hardware switch that enables me to switch between NTSC and PAL displays.

	Also, current owners of DCTV units - are you impressed by it?  Would
love to hear your comments on it!  A personal reply or followup to this post
would be fine.

	Thanks!

***Vincent***
From: achim@video1.bs.open.de (Joachim Gothe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: RGB DCTV??
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 17:48:27 GMT
Reply-To: achim@video1.bs.open.de  (Joachim Gothe)
Organization: Mix Broadcast Video and Computer
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel3

In article <1992Apr6.041732.9648@uceng.UC.EDU>, Sean F Kellner writes:

> Although at first this seems like a wierd idea, it keeps popping up around
>the local users.  I keep hearing about rumors of a RGB version of DCTV for
>people with multisync monitors. This sounds like a good idea but is it possible/likely to happen. Has anyone here heard anything? I think that maybe just	 converting the composite signal to RGB shouldn't be heard, but how much would
>that cost?

Here in Germany is a little company, that make a RGB-DCTV.
They sell it for 1.300 DM (1US$ = 1.60DM)
It has a REAL rgb-output (better Quality) , not a converted Video->RGB
!! It is a PAL-DCTV not a NTSC-DCTV !!

Here is the Adress:

ARTware COM GmbH
Liebigstr. 1
4500 Osnabrueck (Germany)

Phone: +49 541 259211  FAX: +49 541 28690

Achim

----------------------------__
    Joachim  Gothe    2.1  ///	 Home: achim@video1.bs.open.de
     Neuer Weg 1a     __  /// this is new----^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FRG 3300 Braunschweig \\\/// Zerberus: videomaster@bdb.zer
 VOICE +49 531 41502   \XX/ * I own 3 Jeans, now I want an IRIS INDIGO *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Subject: Leander demo is *KILLER*! Except..
Reply-To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:00:29 GMT


I got the Leander demo a few days ago... NOT bad at all, except one thing
leaves me in the dust.. When you kneel and hold down fire, Leander turns red
and stars float around him, and the meter at the bottom grows until the whole
meter is full, and he explodes if you let go of the fire button..  WHAT is
the purpose of this, anyone know?
From: an353@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Benjamin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: DCTV and ANIM utils WHERE??
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:39:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.143931.8617
Reply-To: an353@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Benjamin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I have gotten a few messages lately that talk about some DCTV converter
called ADAM (nice name)  I have IMagine 1.1 and need an easier way to 
convert the 24bit pictures to DCTV and then to ANIM format.
 
Any and all suggestions are welcome but please include FTP sites where
they can be found.
 
 
Adam B

-- 
    //                           | "Keyboard not responding
  \X/ an353@Cleveland.freenet.EDU|  press ESC to continue"
 Yes, another AMIGA fanatic      | ^PC logic in action ^^
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.games
From: sah@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Subject: Re: Leander demo is *KILLER*! Except..
Reply-To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.010344.15055@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu writes:
>>I got the Leander demo a few days ago... NOT bad at all, except one thing
>>leaves me in the dust.. When you kneel and hold down fire, Leander turns red
>>and stars float around him, and the meter at the bottom grows until the whole
>>meter is full, and he explodes if you let go of the fire button..  WHAT is
>>the purpose of this, anyone know?
>
>You destroy all monsters on the screen.  This works well against the dragon.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No it doesn't. :)  I had to blow up at least 4 times to kill the dragon.  It's
easier to strike with the sword.  All you have to do is keep a good distance.
Notice that when you get close to him, his head rears back, and a second later,
he rams his head through you. (Yow.)  If you just keep your distance and keep
striking, he dies quite quickly.
From: uduck@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Steve Galle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: DMI 32 bit board?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:54:38 GMT

In <1992Apr13.183829.16476@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:

>A major limitation however, is the fact that the 34020 version is Zorro III,
>eliminating any possibility of upgrading for A2000 Resolver users.

Is there the possibility of a Zorro II 24 bit Resolver? Also, does anyone
know the current status of the Rambrant board? It looks nice in the 
adds... These boards sound nice, but I can't afford to move up to a 3000
right now.

Steve
From: aces@mcode.amdahl.com (Jeffrey D. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Imagine 2.0 question
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:52:26 GMT
Reply-To: jds30@amail.amdahl.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale Ca.

In article <1992Apr6.195230.91@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.180004.23996@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws7.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
[lots of D.Tiberio piracy/holier-than-thou vomit deleted]

> 	Now, let's get this shit out of graphics.....
Agreed, D.Tiberio appears to be blackballed forever.  New
(legitimate) thread coming up....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack)
Subject: Re: HAM-E
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 12:41:08 GMT

In article <57488@cup.portal.com> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
>Schuk C Yip,
>
>These cables are $30 from us or from Redmond Cable. I *think* there mat
>be a few left. For an encoder, however, you don't need one. Just for
>genlocking.
>
>Ben

Ben,
   Would you please put in some of the original posting when you reply to something.
I'm getting a little sick of reading the Re: HAM-E posting just to see that you
you are using the InterNet for private correspondance.  Since some of use can't
read this newsgroup constantly, we skip things.  If you would leave in some of the 
original posting, we could better understand what is going on.
From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: IP, IM, HAM-E ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:35:29 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Cyruss Sanii,

Image Professional (IP) is only usable if you actually have a HAM-E
device. It is maintained on our BBS for their benefit.

Imagemaster works using the standard Amiga display modes.

Imagemaster F/c works using the Firecracker 24's display modes (Hot!)

Imagemaster and Imagemaster F/c are commercial programs. Image Professional
is also a commercial program, but we distribute it electronically since
the HAM-E device effectively "dongles" it.

Imagemaster will work fine on a PAL system.

ECS systems, also.

The HAM-E has been discontinued, so although it will work, the information
is useless to you.

Ben
From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Imagemaster (was Re: need advice on ultimate Amiga system)
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:21:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <57042@cup.portal.com>, blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
> Surprise.... guess what software the producers for Michael Jackson are
> looking at right now.... Imagemaster. :^)

Is Imagemaster available on platforms other than the Amiga?

Rich
-- 
{ the itchman cometh   /-/         _          i don't want to be your angel }
{ itch@cbnews.att.com /-/        _|_|_          i want to be your witch!    }
{ att!cbnews!itch \-\/-/         ( * )tch                 -yello            }
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Subject: I'd like to get into ray-tracing, SO:
Reply-To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:30:30 GMT


 ..A few questions.

1) I can't afford Imagine or Caligari.  I'm looking for a somewhat decent
PD ray-tracer.  I tried Rayshade, but it has NO interface, it's all complex
crap. :)  I'd like one that has a nice interface with menus and a display of
X, Y, and Z views, etc. etc.  Kind of like the Real3DDemo on ab20, but with
more documentation.  (BTW, I don't want a demo ray-tracer.  I'd like to be able
to save my work)

2) Also, how does one produce ray-traced animatoins?  Does Imagine do this, or
do you have to use a separate program?

3) Does this machine set up sound ideal for making really nice ray-traced
pics and anims?: A3000, 25MHz, 2M CHIP, 4M FAST, 68030, not sure about math
co-proc.

Please reply via e-mail.  --> sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Thanks.
From: cstuckless@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: RCS Fusion Forty Offer (was RE: Special for US clubs/developers)
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:12:28 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

In article <1992Apr10.194320.12572@ssd.kodak.com>, hoffmann@ssd.kodak.com (Marty Hoffmann 39782) writes:
> Okay, I admit it -- I'm a bit paranoid.
> 
> So I've been scoping out 68030 accelerators and I start leaning heavily toward
> a 50 MHz one for about $1600, when along comes this offer for a 28 MHz 68040 
> (which should be at least twice as fast), for about $1200 (that includes 
> memory).
> 
> So, what's the catch?  And why hasn't anyone else asked this?  I'm not saying
> that there's anything wrong here -- in fact I really hope there isn't -- but
> this sounds almost too good to be true.

  I asked the same thing when my Amiga dealer told me I could get one for a 
similar price. So I asked him to fax the company. He sent off a fax 
saying something to the equivalent of "What's the deal Rishi (The guy's 
name at RCS) are you guys going out of business or what?" With a big 
smilie at the bottom of course :)

  Anyway, apparently RCS got a good deal on some '040 chips and can 
afford to pass the savings on to the consumer. 

> I called the company, and they said they don't accept credit cards or personal
> checks.  Should I get suspicious?
  
  Is there a dealer near you that could order one in?

> Can anyone vouch for the Fusion Forty?
  
  I've used their 25Mhz board with 32 Megs of ram with LightWave, and 
I was MOST impressed with the results. I haven't seen the 28Mhz model.

> Has anyone had dealings with this RCS before?

  My local dealer loves the guys. He says they give him excellent 
service and support. For example - a couple of days after he got the 
board, RCS finished a new version of the software that goes with it, 
and they sent it to him via next day air, along with a hand-written 
note on the improvements (something to do with faster read/writes with 
the 2091 or something).

> How does Imagine 2.0 work under 68040's (specifically this one)?
> 
> And what about this thing in Amiga World (January 1992), where they talk about
> some DMA hard disk controllers not working with 68040's?  I have an IVS Trump
> Card (not "Pro").  Should I expect to have to replace it too?

  Sorry, I can't answer either of these. Check with RCS about the 
controller.

> 
> Marty Hoffmann
> 
  I have no affiliation with RCS, and of course can assume no 
responsibility or liability, blah blah blah. Just passing on my 
opinions.....
-- 
  
Colin Stuckless          \  The bottleneck for every computer 
FutureVision Ltd          \  platform is the mind's ability to invent 
CStuckless@kean.ucs.mun.ca \  creative new applications for the system 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: derek@insanity.tmc.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: BYTE Multimedia Stuff
Keywords: Toaster, BYTE, Slagging, Seen it?
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.041454.3526@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>Has anybody seen the new BYTE in which there is a comparison of Toaster 
>like products?  From what I've heard the Toaster got ripped on by BYTE's
>reviewers...I'll have to hunt it down and see if it was legitimate complaints
>by way of comparison or some largely partisan ill-informed spoo.  Tough to
>say.  The second hand version I heard was that the Toaster somehow produced
>good output, but in some way screwed up the regular Amiga display...I don't
>quite have any idea what that could mean since I've never seen the

They were saying that Toaster made all displays flickering. They made
an impression that while in case of the Mac syncing to the NTSC signal
was a great thing to do, on the side of the Toaster it was something wrong.

> "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.

Dariusz Bolski
derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: IP, IM, HAM-E ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:08:39 GMT
  <1992Apr8.014509.26490@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

John Dutka,

Yes, Imagemaster will write 24-bit IFF images to disk. Also, GIF; JPEG;
DCTV; PMBC; RGB8; RAW; HAM-E; 12- or 24-bit RGB, CMY and CMYK color
separations; and the entire range of standard IFF Amiga modes.

It reads all of those, plus NASA NJPL images; ANIM (We'll have ANIM
writing released by Friday); Targa; SHAM; DHR; ARZ0; ARZ1; AHAM; UPB8;
RGBN; and DKB Trace.

Anyone can add to this list, if they are technically inclined; the
"Public Interface" allows you to add any type of function you like.

Ben
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Compiling Rayshade
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:24:59 GMT


I have unsuccessfully tried to compile Rayshade on a 68000 Amiga (A500).
That package requires the URT kit, so I got this.  The source still
would not compile.  I am using SAS/C v5.10.  Has anyone compiled Rayshade
for 68000 Amigas?  (Man, I need an accelerator badly!)  Thanks.

-- Gerald
From: dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:  need advice on ultimate Amiga system
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:52:43 EST
Organization: My home system.

In article <-zmjawk@lynx.unm.edu> kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:

>It may be striking and neat, but it is nothing like the morphing that
>was done in the films. First of all, the morphing was controlled.
>They didn't just make two objects and morph them. They (according
>to computer graphics world) would take two pictures,
>designate the parts of each picture then they would
>say what needs to morph into what.

  That's called control points.  Image Master has those too, I belive.  So
it can do what you describe, and is the type of morphing used in the
movie(s) and the MJ video.  Like morph an eye into the ohter eye, when
morphing between two faces; that's what it does.

		-David

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: dtiberio@csws7.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Imagine 2.0 question
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:00:04 GMT

In article <tomme.702560705@bern.docs.uu.se> tomme@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Thomas Holmstr|m) writes:
>
>  dbkaul@rodan.acs.syr.edu (david B Kaul) writes:
>  >In article <1992Apr1.155137.1036@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>  >>
>  >>	I have been using Imagine 2.0 for about two months now and am having
>  >>trouble figuring out some things. I want to color certain faces of an object
>  >>differently that the rest of the object, so in order to reach some of these I
>  >>have to rotate the object. When I rotate the perspective view, the other views
>  >>just sit there and don't change. How do I rotate something?

>  >>	This program has some SERIOUS bugs. I thought Impulse was a good
>  >>company. I tried calling them for a bug fixes but they gave me some crap
>  >>about sending them the original disks back.
>  >>
>  [Proper flame deleted]
>  >Dave

>	Maby this guy (that's D. Tiberio, of course) don't really know how serious
>a crime software theft is? This guy has to have a account for Internet, since he
>wrote, right? And it's supplied by *Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY*, right ?
>So what if Syracuse University found out they are having a PIRATE in their system?
>Rather serious matter, I think.	Just a thought :-(.
>

	I dare you and anyone else to email Syracuse University and
try to get me kicked off. They won't do it. They don't care about
piracy; all they care about is the tuition I pay them...$16000 every
year. So what if Imagine costs $200? There is an 80:1 ratio in the
differnce.
	I am not afraid of Syracuse. I am graduating soon and have
paid my tuition and have earned my grades. If I decide to pirate
any software, that is between ME and the SOFTWARE COMPANY. Not
Syracuse.

	And that is why I am confident enough to post any message
I want to this and any newsgroup. Have a nice day. :)




-- 
      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 2-3662  AMIGA  DDD-MEN   
     //  Not the llama! Come here Earl; I want to tell you something...
   \X/		Liverpool, New York	    Yes, I like 3D.	
From: kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:15:30 GMT
Subject: Need Genlock Info
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics


I am looking for a low cost ($200 U.S. or less) genlock for my Amiga
3000/16 with 6Megs. I intend to use it for home video titling and  
recording the Amigas display on tape so I don't need anything fancy.
I have looked through Amiga World magazine and found a few genlocks
which seem to meet this cryteria. Before making a choice on which one
to buy I though I would consult the wisdom of the net so here goes.

Oh I also have an Amiga 1000 with 2 floppies and 2Megs. I have seen the
CBM1300 Genlock for $59 (BRiWall). Although I would rather get a genlock
which works with the A3000, this price is pretty attractive so if you
have any knowledge of this genlock I would like to here about it as well.
Would there be any significant disadvantages to using the A1000 setup vs. 
the A3000 setup.


The genlocks and prices I have seen are as follows:
(All prices in U.S. dollars)

AlterImage  $179 (Creative Computers)

MiniGen     $185 (ComputAbility)

A2300       $169 (Commodore)



My questions are:

1. Do these genlocks work with an Amiga 3000?

   I have heard that the A2300 may or may not work.


2. Are there any features which make one a better choice?

3. What is the relative quality of thier output?

4. What, if any, software do they come with?

5. Is there another genlock I should consider?

6. Is there anything else I should know?


        Thanks in advance for any help!
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: The RayTrace buzzword (was Re: Some information about Sally
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.010231.16446@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G.  
Washington) writes:
> Why ask me?  I have used many public domain ray-tracers, but I have not
> found a public domain scanline renderer.

SIPP is free.  Has it been ported to the Amiga?  If not, I'll try it.

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics