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From: rushrush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Keith Robert Gudhus)
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:05:54 GMT

In article <106883@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <C0r65p.7Lv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>>In article <106855@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes...
>>>In article <C0q6Ez.GF1@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>
>I personally think "Ghost of a Chance" might be their best song (as a
>_song_ rather than an instrumental) ever. "Bravado" is also very good.
>I personally see no such lowering of quality.


I agree wholeheartedly!  RtB does have lots of good material, and not just by
my standards or Gregg's standards, but by the band's own standards.  In the
RtB tour guide, Neil writes that RtB invigorated the band with new life, and
that the band was very, very happy with the album.  And in the end, the band
themselves are really their own best critic (I mean, these guys are 
perfectionists!)

Speaking of "Bravado," I thought that this song was one of the highlights of
the RtB concert I attended.  They did an extended version of the song, with
Alex soloing for at least the last 2 minutes of the song.  Truly amazing!!
Did they do this at other locations also?  (I saw the show in Phoenix).


Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
Subject: Re: Rush Box Set
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:04:44 GMT

In article <cubsfan.726439239@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Micha
l Silverman) writes:
>In <1ihvhoINNg3q@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST403027@brownvm.brown.edu () writes

>
>>It doesn't make sense that Rush would release a box set at this time,
>>considering the recent release of _Chronicles_.
>
>Well, considering Chronicles was released *without* the consent of
>the band (it was put out by Mercury in a desperate last minute money-
>grubbing maneuver after Rush switched to Atlantic) I think that sometime
>in the next year or two, Rush could put out a high quality boxed set
>that would satisfy fans and sell well.
>
>When you look at it, Chronicles is basically a two disc piece of
>trash...about the only thing it is good for is as a "greatest hits"
>collection for causual fans
>The song selection stinks, and the booklet isn't worth the paper it
>was printed on.
>
>I think if they Boyz handled it themselves, a good Rush boxed set
>could include about 4 CDs...much better song selection, and a good
>helping of unreleased stuff, both live and studio. Also, the booklet
>should contain extensive liner notes and anecdotes, maybe like
>a combo of the LedZep book and the Bob Marley one.  Package it up
>real neat, slap a $50.00 price on it, and watch them fly off the
>shelves!
>
>Hell, when minor bands (no offense) like Journey can release
>high quality boxed sets, there is no reason that Rush cannot
>either.
>.
>--
>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu
>
>"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee


Yeah, I wonder what would be on it?
 
Probably that song based on "Sir Gawen & the Green Knight"..  It was
really the last of the big epics, but was never released...  But from what
I understand, Rush doesn't record about 30 songs and pick the best.  There
are few songs that are really "unreleased" by Rush..
 
In fact, I was in a good mood until I read the stuff about Rush Over
Europe.  I hate when bands do that stuff..  Do you know how many albums
Metallica has?  Hundreds!  They have at least 3 box sets already...  It
makes me feel bad when I can't find stuff I'd like to hear, especially on
CD.  It seems, at least with Metallica, most of the B-sides are on tape or
on an album...  I don't listen to tapes anymore.
 
Either release this stuff so everyone can buy it, or don't do it.  I
personally don't think it's fun trying to keep up with these $60.00
imported CD's that contain one different track.
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:04:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <106855@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes...
>In article <C0q6Ez.GF1@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>>If you are referring to "Roll the Bones", the weakest of the Peartian albums,
>>then you are gravely mistaken.  Even "Presto" is weak compared to their own
>>standards.
>Compared to their own standards? I think not. Care to elaborate?

They stated themselves that "Hold Your Fire" was the highest point they could
reach in the direction they were on.  After that, their music seemed to be more
simplified, almost standard. I really like several songs on "Presto", but as an
album, I found it weak.  It felt that they were really not trying.  

"Show, Don't Tell" - it felt very standardish, and the title did not fit their
                     usual style of titles.  It could have been used by another
                     band

"WarPaint"         - it felt like a pop song so much that I wondered who did it

"SuperConductor"   - I can't remember how it went because I haven't listened
                     to it for so long.  

I consider these to be the dregs of the album.  "Roll the Bones" was even a 
bigger dissapointment.  This album only produced 5 good songs. (50%)  I have
not had this happen to me since "Rush".  Even today, I am not sure which is
worse.  

What this all comes down to is that their creativity has finally drawn thin.
They are being complacent with lesser quality material.   

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From: graf@morris.engin.umich.edu (James Andrew Littek )
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
Originator: graf@morris.engin.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:02:42 GMT


Where are people getting these CDs?  I can't find them anywhere?
If you can help, thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Rush literature
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date:  7 Jan 93 20:48:04 GMT

Every time I see the occasional reuest for help in finding _Visions_
or (God forbid) look at my own copy, I wonder...why can't anyone
write a decent book on Rush...something akin to that U2 book that
just came out. Visions is the best Rush book by default...cool
pictures, and a decent history of the band interrupted every
paragraph by the author's ego.

I look at the bookstore and see books (real books, not picture books)
af several hundred pages about Metallica or Guns and Roses...a
real book about Rush would sell just as well as these (Rush's devoted
fans buying the book would make up for the lack of media exposure
concerning Rush).

Is the lack of decent books on Rush just benign neglect or do the
'Boyz not want one written?

--
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
Subject: Re: Availability of published tablature?
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 18:58:28 GMT

In article <1imci2$i60@agate.berkeley.edu> drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek
Suzuki) writes:
>	Is there any true guitar tab out for Rush?  I've seen Rush Complete
>and Presto books, but they were piano/vocal/chord type.  The stuff on th

>net is handy, but tends to be very incomplete.  I don't have a month to 
igure
>out The Trees and La Villa by ear.
>	Also, I have a Zeppelin tab book that provides notation for all
>instruments instead of trying to arrange songs for just one.  Is this av
ilable
>for any other band?  It's kind of hard for several people to play togeth
r
>when the keyboard and bass parts have been rolled into the guitar.
>
>Derek Suzuki
>drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu
>


Yes there is.  Warner Bros. music releases a lot of books of Rush TAB.
 
Does anyone know the bassline for "Open Secrets"?  I love that song!!
 

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mglicksman@loyola.edu (Michael `SLAM' Glicksman)
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:14:00 GMT

In article <16B4B127D6.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu>, NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu writes...
>I just picked up the new live Rush CD Rush Over Europe and the sound is really
>incredible. There is no location listed on the disc and I wonder if you'll
>help me out here. Thanks!!!
>                               Hans

	I 'listened' to a new Rush CD recently called PENSACOLA. I think that
the sound of this CD is also incredible. There is one question that I have:
Although the liner notes do not list an encore, there IS an encore on the disc.
But, the encore is unlike any encore I've heard on the RTB tour. They start
with 2112 and play La Villa... and Red Barchetta. At the shows that I saw(and
on the OVER THE EUROPE cd) they played a completely different encore. Does the
PENSACOLA cd have the real encore from that show or was it from a different
show? On the whole, the album is VERY VERY good(I personally prefer it to OTE,
but I've only heard OTE once). The set list is exactly the same as OTE except
for the encore.


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From: lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush literature
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:31:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <cubsfan.726439684@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
> I wonder...why can't anyone
>write a decent book on Rush...something akin to that U2 book that
>just came out. Visions is the best Rush book by default...cool
>pictures, and a decent history of the band interrupted every
>paragraph by the author's ego.
>
>I look at the bookstore and see books (real books, not picture books)
>af several hundred pages about Metallica or Guns and Roses...a
>real book about Rush would sell just as well as these (Rush's devoted
>fans buying the book would make up for the lack of media exposure
>concerning Rush).

The initiative for these books probably lies with the record 
companies and/or publishers and not with the bands. Publishers
put out books on bands (or any other subject for that matter) because 
they want to make money. The lack of decent books on rush exists because 
no publishing company feels that it will sell. I suspect they are 
right (devoted fans aside).


Trivia: How are Yousef Karsh and Rush related (other than they both
live in Kanada )?
        ^
      joke, ok?!
-- 
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: 666
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:05:00 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1993Jan11.204036.9770@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:

>Some people seem to be wondering about the arrangement of dice on the RTB
>cover.  Did you notice the 666 that makes up the top of the R and S? 

Interesting, of course this is surrounded by a filed of 3's. Now what
about the fives, etc. Any maniacal numerologists out there :)


Gregg



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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:48:56 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1ibp78INN66r@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esuqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr W J Lynn) writes:
>In article <105996@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>>I just picked up the new live Rush CD Rush Over Europe and the sound is really
>>>incredible.

>>So far as I know no-one has identified the location of this show...

>What cd is this?

>Are there any other live albums i am missing in my collection?


In a sense yes, and in a sense no. This is an "import" unauthorized
(so far as anyone knows) recording of the RtB tour. There are plenty
(about a dozen) of live shows of this kind that can be got in small
shops. They may be hard to find in the England since they are usually made
in Italy or Australia both of which I'd presume England has mutual
copyright restrictions with (though I may be wrong here)...

Gregg



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"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
From: cgrishaw@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris M. Grishaw)
Subject: RUSH HATER
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:23:29 GMT

You know if you are going to hold an opinion, at least be courageous enough to
post your name.  WHAT A PUSSY!


Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: An enjoyable Rush weekend on 98 Rock for a change
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:46:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.231646.12191@eng.umd.edu> cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen) writes:
>Hey there,
>
>I normally don't listen to 98 rock anymore since they have gone
>soft, but I tuned in friday night, and found out that this is a
>RUSH/REM superstars weekend. I personally don't like REM, but what
>happens is ever half-hour they play a rush song followed by an
>REM song, or vice-versa.. I heard some good tunes like the Trees,
>Kid Gloves, Marathon, amongst many that you normally don't hear.
>
>One thing I would like to see is a bit on the Radios like they
>have for Zeppelin ("It's Zeppelin o'clock") where they play
>a block of em, or 'The Beatles break'.. I figure they could
>call it 'RUSH hour', and play a block of RUSH. oh well, mayble
>I will write in to some stations around here.
>
>enuff 4 now..
>seeya bye-
>Chris
>

Or you could just turn off the radio and put on a CD.  I never
understood the big deal about hearing certain bands on the radio.  Most
of the time the radio plays pure pablum which the masses cosume without
thinking.  A drop of Rush now and again hardly makes me want to listen
to anything besides NPR (National Public Radio).

	-Phil
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From: drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek Suzuki)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Availability of published tablature?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 11:22:42 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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	Is there any true guitar tab out for Rush?  I've seen Rush Complete
and Presto books, but they were piano/vocal/chord type.  The stuff on the
net is handy, but tends to be very incomplete.  I don't have a month to figure
out The Trees and La Villa by ear.
	Also, I have a Zeppelin tab book that provides notation for all
instruments instead of trying to arrange songs for just one.  Is this available
for any other band?  It's kind of hard for several people to play together
when the keyboard and bass parts have been rolled into the guitar.

Derek Suzuki
drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu

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From: rorvig@plains.NoDak.edu (Nathan Rorvig)
Subject: Thanks
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:22:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


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From: cmcvey@loyola.edu (Chip 'El Z' McVey)
Subject: Next album
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So I hear they are now working on the new album? Anybody know what it's
going to be called yet?

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From: trc6398@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.R. Craver)
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
Originator: trc6398@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:24:05 GMT

I don't think it hit the states.  If it did, it's got to be a real
expensive import.

-thom

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From: 6knorowski_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
Subject: Re: Source 'o' the Ska
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:41:54 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <93005.075010MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
> I live in Manhattan, anyone know where I can git lotsa ska? A mail-order
> house will do the trick just as well. Thanks.
> 
> 
>                   Rick Yukon.
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 07:50:10 EST
From: <MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
Subject:    Source 'o' the Ska

I live in Manhattan, anyone know where I can git lotsa ska? A mail-order
house will do the trick just as well. Thanks.


                  Rick Yukon.
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
Subject: Re: beginner seeks information
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:04:26 GMT
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In article <1993Jan6.153444.4211@arizona.edu>, waldo@arizona.edu writes:
|>
|> The only other thing I can think of to talk about is "Skanking" which is the
|> traditional way to dance to ska, but I'll save it for later if anyone's
|> interested...

Do tell!  The band "Wild Kingdom" from Chicago that I mentioned
earlier had just about the best dance beat I've ever heard... (that
is, for my style of dancing.)  I'm curious to hearing what "skanking"
is like...

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From: pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver)
Subject: Re: "Wild Kingdom" ska band in Chicago
Keywords: ska
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:19:28 GMT

In article <1ieue8INNsg1@meaddata.meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>Has anyone heard of a band called "Wild Kingdom"?  I saw them at a
>club called "Night", in Chicago, and they referred to themselves as
>"Chicago's Premiere Ska Band", or something like that.
[...]

*---------*

The only local Chicago ska band I am familar with is Skapone, formed from
the ashes of State of Emergency.  I have never heard of Wild Kingdom.

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Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 17:43:57 EST
From: jennifer <IO91784@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
Subject: Re: Source 'o' the Ska

no i do not know where you can git lots of ska.
jennifer
From: waldo@arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
Subject: Re: Jennifer, Bim Skala Bim, etc.
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <93005.174425IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> Don't worry... she's just sort of strange.
> I'm Back!


She sure is...

> Finally, BIM SKALA BIM.  Now, I know there's an anti-bim mood on here,
> but they happen to be one of my favorite bands, if not THE favorite
> band.  So they aren't really 'ska'.. they're a different type of music,
> known as 'good' music.  Dan Vitale (vox) admitted to me the first time
> I saw them in '89 "we aren't really ska...".  He really shyed away from
> that label.  You want an explanation?  OK.

Hey, I know I've heard them, I probably know their songs, but fill me in-
what would I know?  What were they're best/biggest albums? 

>    BIM SKALA BIM does NOT, in fact 'shamelessly pose as a ska band'.
> They hate the label, in fact.  They do a wide variety of musical styles
> with extremely varied influences, one of which happens to be Ska.

Lots of bands are like this..  Fishbone, for example.

> 
> P.S.- Skanlin' Pickle people: Someone send me some Skankin Pickle
> music soon so I can get some on SKA!turday morning w/Dougly on
> 91.9 WMEB Orono, Maine!!!  Please!!!!
> Address:    Dougly
>             113 Knox Hall
>             5793 Knox
>             Orono, ME 04469-5793
> 

I've seen Skankin' Pickle twice now..  To tell the truth, although one of my
friends is a BIG fan, I kinda think they're annoying live.  I mean, they do the
same show each time, down to the stale jokes and fake-seeming enthusiasm
(examples-  The "I've lost my hair" joke, the "Asian Man" song, etc.. the
"hey, aren't we wacky" attitude).  Still, the album is pretty good.  But,
in my limited experience, Let's Go Bowling is still the best small-venue ska
band I've seen live.

Waldo
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