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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:11:31 EDT
From:         William.F.Barry@DARTMOUTH.EDU
Subject:      Workflow & Electronic Authorization Routing Software

At Dartmouth College we are interested in learning more about anyone's
experiences with software tools that facilitate the development & maintenance
of applications  which include the creation of data input forms that are
associated with data specific workflow & approval routing sequences.     I'm
looking for a software tool that will assist our efforts to create a screen
displayed form, which  displays data, accepts data input, AND requires an
electronic routing through a sequence of electronic authorization steps.
Authorization steps would be tied to a sequence of  named users.

My hope is that there are some vendors who provide tools that will facilitate
the creation and especially the maintenance of this type of  application.
I'm interested in developing a personnel/payroll electronic forms processing
application, but certainly this type of need is relevant to many of our
constituents other needs.

Ideally the software tools that I'm looking for will run on either VAX/VMS or
Macintosh platforms preferably with the capacity to use SQL data access,  but
any solutions that are ms-dos, ms-windows or unix based will also be of
interest.

Please send me any ideas, leads or names & phone numbers of vendors or other
institutions that have products or experience of this type.    I will collect
and share with the list a summary of what I learn.

thanks,
Bill Barry _________________________________________
Director of Administrative Computing
Dartmouth College
H.B. 6209, Clement Hall, Rm. 218
Hanover NH   03755
         (603) 646-3602
 fax# (603) 646-2810
William.Barry@Dartmouth.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:26:12 EDT
From:         Janet Terry <TERRYJ@VTVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      degree audit systems

After working with Student Records for the past 11 years and my most recent
effort in that area being the implementation of DARS at Virginia Tech, I
can honestly state that no university could afford to pay me what I would
require to build a degree audit system.   I knew when we first began our
analysis that this was a complex area, but I was totally unprepared for the
level of complexity and the flexibility that this process requires.  In
addition to this, their needs are constantly changing at the hands of deans
and department heads who don't understand logical processing or have any
concern for the time required to implement their changes.  We have found DARS
to be flexible enough to meet our processing needs and handle almost all of
our problems and when we've needed modifications or enhancements to the system,
the staff at Miami has been most responsive.

One thing one must consider in the decision process concerning build or buy is
the available support for the system once implemented.  I have found that a
degree audit system is not one that can be developed and then simply maintained
rather it is the type of expert system that requires constant revision and
enhancement.  I am certain that we don't have the technical support at VT to
constantly work on degree audit.  That's the nice thing about DARS, Miami
supplies 3 FTEs to keep DARS meeting our needs and the needs of all their
customers, as well as frequent training workshops, user meetings and a listserv
to help with immediate problems.

Another important aspect to consider with a degree audit system is the level
of training required for the end user.  It is our goal to simplify processes
for the user and make their work as easy as possible, but the work of degree
auditing requires a larger set of analytical skills on the part of the user.
The institution must also be prepared to spend some money to keep their degree
audit staff trained in using the system, which is something that we've found
to be a problem here.

Thanks for listening.....

Janet Terry
Univ. Systems Analysis & Services
Virginia Tech
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:40:12 -0600
From:         Henry Newsom <00hwnewsom@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Workflow & Electronic Authorization Routing Software

Mr. Donald said:

>Virginia Tech is involved in evaluating several development environments
>and I hope will make a decision in November. ...... The workflow process is
>very high on our list ... I will be happy to have someone contact you to share
   >our findings

How about posting a summary to the net?  We are very interested and, I'll
bet, so are many others.


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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:10:00 PDT
From:         Kenneth Gross <SRKBG@AIS.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Degree Audit Software

Jack, thanks for your response.  I'd like to discuss techniques with
you off the air sometime, because my time for note writing is limited.
But I enjoyed reading about your system.

My phone is 310-825-3074; Fax is 310-825-9513.
Give me a call and we'll talk.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:18:00 CST
From:         "Bob Eaton, Computing Services, U. Sask." <EATON@ADMIN1.USASK.CA>
Subject:      Re: Time Tracking System

Hi Slemo,

You ask, "Of the TWO, DATABASE and SPREADSHEET, which is the best/effective
package for time budgeting and tracking system in a department made up of
2-10 employees?"

Well, our experience shows that people are expending some time to produce a
result.  That suggests that "timetracking" is an activity performed as part
of project management.  (Our co-ordinator of maintenance calls it task
management.)

We have found that project management can be assisted with a spreadsheet or
with a database but we there are a number of tools that are specifically
designed for managing projects.

If you can't use a project management tool then I advise you to use a
database that will support the data model from a project management tool.  A
good place to go to figure that out is any one of the books on project
management (we currently favour one by John Rackos).

As for deciding entre database packages, I put sharability highest on my
list.  The same for a project management tool.  Everyone working on the
project/task should be able to use the tool/db.

Hope this helps,
Bob
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Manager, Administrative Applications
Computing Services
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SASKATOON, SK                                      Phone: (306) 966-4854
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:36:06 EDT
From:         Shyamal Jajodia <SHYAM@MITVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Financial Aid Software

Hi Slemo,


  Try contacting Systems and Computer Technology (SCT) of Malvern PA
for their BANNER series software.

 Shyam
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:00:22 CST
From:         Slemo Warigon <SW5540@ETSUADMN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Relational Database Choice
              3 Sep 1992 11:52:22 CST from <BILLC@HOUSING.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:52:22 CST Bill Chapman said:
>> Date:          Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:23:26 CST
>> From:          Slemo Warigon <SW5540%ETSUADMN.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
>
>>
>>     1) How much easier and flexible is it to connect database tables in
>>        Paradox as oppossed to R:Base?
>
>The way we use it is through the query feature (ASK) of paradox.
>Just check the columns you want included in the joined table from
>each of the source tables, and, voila!, the connected table.
>
True, but this doesn't answer my question. You're talking about QUERIES
and ANSWER TABLE which I'm very familiar with. Truth is, Paradox for
DOS version 3.5 doesn't manage linked tables too well and offers enough
flexibility to manage data without jumping through unnecessary hoops.
Paradox for Windows does this far better, and you can check this out
from PC World issue of August 1992. What I've been saying all along had
been pointed out in this issue.


>>
>>     2) Which of the two offers is packaged complete with SQL feature and
>>        suited for use on a stand-alone PC?
>
>With our university site license on all Borland products, we got the
>SQL package with paradox.  With Borland's VROOM, a 640K PC is all that
>is really necessary, but it takes advantage of extra features and
>networks, if you have them.
>
>We are using the SQL as the means of transition from Paradox to Oracle.
>Once users learn how to make queries on our paradox system, they should
>be able to make them on Oracle.

Still, R:BASE is lotta better, believe me! SQL is a trade-mark of
R:BASE when it comes to complete package. The jury is out, though.

Slemo Warigon
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:01:43 -0400
From:         Bill Filtz <bfiltz@GRITS.VALDOSTA.PEACHNET.EDU>
Subject:      Software/Grants (fwd)

Message forwarded for non-subscriber. If you can help please respond to him.
Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:32:56 AST
From: Cesar Ramos Cedeno CEDITEC <cramos@CONICIT.VE>
Subject: Software/Grants

Dear Friends!
Recently my na}ime and address have been added to this List, and I would
like to introduce myself.
My name is Cesar Ramos-Cede#o, I am working now at the Venezuelan
Institute for Scientific Research (IVIC), Caracas, Venezuela.
My title is Assistant to the Director, but my main duties are concerned
with looking for funding from external bodies , developping an
administrative system for Grants administration.
Can you recomend any specialized software for this purpose?
Thank you in advance!

Cesar Ramos-Cede#o
IVIC, Venezuela
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:07:32 EDT
From:         Shannon Burgin <##06@UTMARTN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Degree Audit Software

Notes from a degree audit software discussion.


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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:34:00 PDT
From:         "Toby Kerans 206-2084 (213)" <SRTK0@UCLAAIS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Degree Audit Software

Ken, it is good that you are here (my exclaimation point
does not work).  You are most certainly working on
complex issues.   I haven't forgotten our plan to visit
but I cannot schedule myself today - see you soon I hope.

> In our in-house system at UCLA, the coding of the described requirements
> would be much more straightforward than the DARS code described in this
> note.
>
> ONE COURSE FROM TWO OF THE FOLLOWING LISTS" is one line in a the defini
> tion of a single requirement. "TWO COURSES FROM ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
> LISTS" is also a single requirement line.  Nothing here need be coded
> as a subrequirement here.
>
> Consider the following requirement:
>
>   Student must take one course from one of lists X1, X2, X3, ...  AND
>   Student must take two more courses from the SAME list, OR two courses
>   from a single other one of these lists, BUT a course cannot be used
>   twice.
>
>   Can you do it in DARS ?
>
>   We can do it in three straightforward lines in the same requirement
>   at UCLA because our audit system can recall which list a student
>   selected in another requirement.
>
>
> ******************************************
> Ken Gross
> Administrative Information Systems
> University of California, Los Angeles
> EMAIL: SRKBG@AIS.UCLA.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:24:08 PDT
From:         Stu Warford <SWARFORD@PEPVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Optical Imaging

We are interested in Document Imaging systems which are PC-LAN/SQL/MS-Windows
based.  Anticipated projects include:

        Archival Documents (such as older transcripts)
        Work-flow applications (Admissions, Financial Aid)
        Mainframe report archival (financial reports)

Two questions:

1.  Has anyone done an RFP/RFQ/RFI on something like this?  Would you be willing
    to share it?

2.  What vendors are out there that you have worked with.  What are your
    experiences?  What should we look out for?

Thanks!

Stu Warford
Pepperdine University
Malibu, CA  90263
(310) 456-4040
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:15:23 CDT
From:         "Barry W. Tate" <AUD_BWT@SHSU.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Financial Aid Software

Slemo,

Sam Houston State automated financial aid several years ago by purchasing the
FAMS system from Information Associates. We have been very pleased with the
package.

Barry Tate   Aud_BWT@SHSU
Sam Houston State University
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:14:34 EDT
From:         "Ted W. Flory" <Ted@CESCC.BRIDGEWATER.EDU>
Subject:      re: Datatel customers

Scott Dittman at Washington and Lee University expressed an interest
in regular communication with Datatel customers.  A network discussion
group for this purpose was formed within the last 18 months.  To be added
to the Info-Datatel group, send mail to

         Info-Datatel-Request@Calvin.Edu

Mail to the list should be sent to

         Info-Datatel@Calvin.Edu

The list is maintained by Brian Baas at Calvin College and includes
over 50 members at last count.

Ted Flory
Bridgewater College
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:36:04 CST
From:         Slemo Warigon <SW5540@ETSUADMN.BITNET>
Subject:      Time Tracking System

As always, the question comes down to this: Of the TWO, DATABASE and
SPREADSHEET, which is the best/effective package for time budgeting
and tracking system in a department made up of 2-10 employees?

Should it be a database, we would like to know which brand is ideally
suitable and would anyone care to share the table structure of a
database time tracker?

We've at least 4 different database packages (relational) and 3 integrated
spreadsheets..... but it's not that easy to decide which to use for our
time tracking system.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Slemo Warigon
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:21:04 CST
From:         Slemo Warigon <SW5540@ETSUADMN.BITNET>
Subject:      Financial Aid Software

Anyone out there who know of good software program (in-house or
packaged) for automating Financial Aid award process including
awards "packaging"?

We've seen how tedious this process can be when handled manually, so
we want to know the alternative methods of handling FA awards.

Thanks,

Slemo Warigon
Internal Audits,
East Texas State Univ.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:33:53 -0600
From:         DAVEL@EPCC.BITNET
Subject:      Program Documenters

I am looking for a program that will help me document
a large (10,000+ line) COBOL program.  I would prefer
a program that will run on a PC and will document
HP ANSI-85 COBOL including HP Image Database and FORMSPEC
calls.

Can anyone out there share experience or knowledge of a
documenter program that might meet my needs.

Thanx in advance!

Dave Lewis - Programmer/Analyst
El Paso Community College
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:53:00 EDT
From:         REQ1@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Student Aid Voice Response

The Office of Student Aid at Penn State is embarking on the development
of a much-needed voice response system.  While voice response
technology is not new to our institution (we have systems for Registration
and Admissions), this project will mark the beginning of voice response for
the Student Aid Office.

We are searching for institutions that are currently utilizing voice
response systems for Student Aid.  It is our hope that you'll share your
experiences, documentation, advice, etc with us so that we might have an idea
of what works and what doesn't.

If you have a voice response system in production specifically for Student
Aid or know of schools who do, please let us know.

Thank You.

Bob Quinn
Director of Computer Services
Office of Student Aid
The Pennsylvania State University
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:05:38 EDT
From:         AWDCMS@VTVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Workflow & Electronic Authorization Routing Software
              10 Sep 1992 23:11:31 EDT from <William.F.Barry@DARTMOUTH.EDU>

Virginia Tech is involved in evaluating several development environments
and I hope will make a decision in November.  We have used ObjectVision
and Paradox for some single-user applications, and will be implementing
an Oracle application within a couple weeks.  Over the next month we are
scheduling several vendors to come in and display their "tools" for
application development.  The workflow process is very high on our list
and I have someone that is working on that specific project with the
vendors.  I will be happy to have someone contact you to share our
findings and would appreciate any news you might have concerning these
type tools.

Wayne Donald
Director - USAS
Virginia Tech
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:23:22 +0500
From:         "D. Scott Dittman" <sdittman@LIBERTY.UC.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Datatel customers

I would be interested in developing regular communications with Datatel
customers.  If you are interested in sharing information and questions,
please send your address to me at sdittman@wlu.edu

Scott Dittman                    email: sdittman@wlu.edu
University Registrar             talk: (703)463-8455   fax: (703)463-8024
Washington and Lee University    snail mail:  Lexington Virginia 24450
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:24:06 CST
From:         Slemo Warigon <SW5540@ETSUADMN.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Financial Aid Software

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:15:23 CDT Barry W. Tate said:
>Slemo,
>
>Sam Houston State automated financial aid several years ago by purchasing the
>FAMS system from Information Associates. We have been very pleased with the
>package.
>
>Barry Tate   Aud_BWT@SHSU
>Sam Houston State University

Hi Barry,

Care to send me more details about this product, eh? It sounds enticing!
Thanks,


Slemo D. Warigon
Internal Auditor

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:29:36 -0400
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From:         Dick Huff <DHUFF@FLINT.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Position Announcement

    At the risk of rekindling the debate over whether or not it is
appropriate to use the list to announce position openings, I am posting
this announcement because I feel that they are indeed a service to all.


                               POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT


         Bucknell University Computer Services has an opening for an
         experienced programmer/analyst in its Administrative Systems
         area. The programmer/analyst provides system design and
         programming support for Bucknell's administrative offices with
         primary responsibility for the University Relations (alumni and
         fund-raising) Division.

         Minimum requirements are a Bachelor's or Associate's degree or
         equivalent experience, at least three years experience as a
         programmer/analyst in applications programming, and the ability
         to design and develop complex systems. Current programming
         requires experience using COBOL and a CODASYL (network) database
         structure, but Bucknell will soon install a relational database
         management system and a fourth-generation programming language.
         Experience with one or more such tools is therefore desirable, as
         is experience with gift and alumni record-keeping systems.

         The successful candidate must exercise independent judgement,
         require minimal supervision, and communicate effectively with
         people from a variety of offices in a University environment.
         Competitive salary and excellent benefits are provided.  Send
         resume and the names of three references to Ms. Ruth Drozin,
         Office of Computer Activities, Bucknell University, Lewisburg,
         PA, 17837.  Resumes must be received by October 23, 1992.

         Applications from women and members of minority groups are
         encouraged.


Richard Huff                    DHuff@Bucknell.edu
Assistant Director for
Administrative Systems
Bucknell University             717-524-1801
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:20:00 AEST
From:         BSSUPTEST@UQADM.CC.UQ.OZ.AU

The University of Queensland (Australia) is considering purchasing
Computer Associates Masterpiece 3 Accounts Receivable and Fixed Assets Systems.
Is there anybody out there in the wide world of computing who has
experience with these systems?  In particular, I need to know:

1. Do the systems satisfy your needs?

2. Are the systems user friendly?

3. Do the systems operate satisfactorily in a VAX environment?

4. A general evaluation of both systems


Thanks in advance,

Bob Burrows
Systems Officer
The University of Queensland
Australia
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