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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:41:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.195014.8268@ncar.ucar.edu> newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery) writes:
>So Europe has had more of the home-team advantages, but Brasil
>managed to win in Sweden 1958, whereas no European team has yet
>won the WC in South America. Hence. SA teams are ahead in this respect.

With this kind of reasoning you can always conclude with whatever.

>While it is true that more European teams reach the semis, that
>seems to be in direct proportion to the number of teams qualifying
>for the final 24. Actually if the starting European / SA proportion is
>3/1, and by the semis that proportion is 39/16 = 2.44 then the SA
>teams fare better than their European couterparts.

The number of teams qualifying for the final 24 is, by its way,
in direct proportion of the overall number of good teams in a given
continent. You should look not only at the number of semis per
continent, but also at the number of *different* teams which reached
those semis (why should the whole continent share the splendor of
a few teams?). And in this matter, the proportions are 14/4 = 3.5,
so South American teams *don't* fare better than their European
conterparts.

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Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 13:11:35 CET
From: W.H.Morrison <WMORRISO@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: BSkyB satellite feed in the U.S. ?

Sky Sports is only available on Astra 1B. It is a soft encoded Videocrypt
channel until Sept.1 when it becomes a full subscriber channel, with hard
encoding requiring a Smart card as well as a decoder. The cost of Subscriptions
 until Aug 31 is 2.99 pounds monthly, thereafter it will cost 5.99 Pounds
monthly. Subscriptions are only available in UK and Eire for residents of those
countries. For more information on this and other satellite related questions,
refer to rec.video.satellite on this same netnews line.
                              Regards
                                     Bill
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From: trumble@src.dec.com (Bill Trumble)
Subject: English league results
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:09:09 GMT

Could someone please post Saturday's English Football league results, or at least
Division 1? Maybe someone did, but it never appeared here. Thanks very much.

Bill Trumble
DEC-SRC
Palo Alto, CA
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Belgian League results. ropund 4.
Originator: collins@prl.philips.nl
Organization: Philips Research Labs (Nat Lab), Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:46:16 GMT

League round 4
Games played 22/8 and 23/8.


 Standard Luik     2 Charleroi         0
 Asselmans
 Wilmots

 Racing Genk       2 FC Luik           0
 Goots(2)

 RSC Anderlecht    1 KV Mechelen       0
 Bosman                                 

 AA Gent           2 Lokeren           0
 Viscaal(2)                             

 Lierse SK         0 RWD Molenbeek     0

 Boom              1 Club Brugge       2
 Lukaku              Schaessens
		     Amokachi

 Cercle Brugge     2 Royal Antwerp FC  3
 Weber(2)            Czerniatyniski(3)

 Waregem SV        4 SK Beveren        1
 A.Vidmar            Oulare
 Kruzen (2)                              

 Germinal Ekeren   5 Lommel            1
 Sabbadini
 Hofmans(2)
 Tahamata                             
 T.Vidmar

Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht           4     8    10    2
KV Mechelen          4     6     9    3
Club Brugge          4     6     8    4
Charleroi            4     6     8    4
Standard Luik        4     6     6    4
Beveren              4     6     6    4
AA Gent              4     5     4    2
Boom                 4     4     8    8
FC Antwerp           4     4     8    8
Lokeren              4     4     4    6
FC Luik              4     3     7    7
Lierse SK            4     3     9    6
KRC Genk             4     3     4    5
RWDM                 4     3     4    5
Waregem              4     2     5    8
Germinal Ekeren      4     2     8   12
Cercle Brugge        4     1     6   12
Lommel               4     0     2   16


League Scorers (as per 23-8-92).
1. Goots (KRC Genk)             4 goals;
2. Versavel (KV Mechelen)       3 goals;
   Amokachi(Club Brugge)        3 goals;
   Bettagno (Standard Luik)     3 goals;
   Bosman (Anderlecht)          3 goals;
   Czerniatynski (FC Antwerp)   3 goals;
   Ikpeba (FC Luik)             3 goals;
   Lukaku (Boom)                3 goals;
   Oulare (Beveren)             3 goals;
   Rekdal (Lierse SK)           3 goals;

20 players have scored 2 goals.
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From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Referee's Whistle
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:30:12 GMT

In article <BtyJoz.3vH@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dglow@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dave Low) writes:
>I have watched and refereed a lot of soccer in North America and there 
>is one common problem. The player really do not know how o play soccer.
>   ....... other comments delted
>
>I think it will be a long time beofer a Canadaian or American team
>is ever a contender for the World Cup. 
>                                

I think it really comes down to money, America has proven that where money
is involved it can compete on the highest level. The first step is to
educate the average American fan about soccer, secondly a professional
soccer league must be established with 6 or 7 digit salaries to attract
good talent. Once that happens US will turn into a soccer powerhouse.
I think this country has the most potential for a talented soccer team,
with the ethnic mixture, blacks, caucasions, hispanics there is allot 
of talent to choose from. Believe me if America will treat soccer with 
the same intesity that basketball, hockey, football is treated it will
be a dominating country in the sport. Of course if you go into any average
park you will observe poor display of the game because not too many
people put much importance into it, youngsters prefer to train for
something that will payoff in the future.


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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Norway-Sweden, friendly
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:03:26 GMT

In article <9208301434.AA15782@pippin.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:

>Sweden have to be favourite to winning the group with France totally out of 
>confidence and Bulgaria weak on the road. The Bulgarians will be tough in
>Sofia, though.

Bulgaria is a tough team to play against, since they rely heavily on counter-
attacks. They've got a quick forward line with Kostadinov and Stoichkov and
a relatively tight defense. Their play isn't really a joy to watch, since
they mainly sit back and try to find chances for break-aways. Playing
against clumsy defense this tactics produces good results.

Finland lost to Bulgaria 0 - 3 at home in a terrible defensive display by
the Finnish team. The defense wasn't too tight in a friendly against
England either and Finland must be one of the few teams in Europe that has
conceded more than one goal against Graham Taylor's England team.

Judging by the friendly against Poland I believe Finnish team will look
for a draw against Sweden in 9th September. Manager Jukka Vakkila knows
Sweden has got so much more talent that it's not possible to beat them
by attacking too eagerly. I expect a physical game, especially if the
pitch is in an awful shape as it usually is in Helsinki Olympic Stadium
this time of year.

>Kent

Janne Kivela"
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Lithuania - Denmark result
Keywords: soccer, men's professional
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International) writes:

>                         Europe Group 3
>                                W  L  T  Pts  GF  GA
>Lithuania                       1  1  1   3   4   4
>Spain                           1  0  0   2   3   0
>Ireland                         1  0  0   2   2   0
>Albania                         1  2  0   2   1   5
>N. Ireland                      0  0  1   1   2   2
>Denmark                         0  0  1   1   0   0
>Latvia                          0  1  1   1   1   2

>                             Aug. 26
>        Denmark 0, Latvia 0

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From: eydner@inf-wiss.ivp.uni-konstanz.de (Gerold Eydner)
Subject: Re: test1
Organization: Information Science, Univ. of Konstanz
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:47:27 GMT

heute letzter Test
From: elvis@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (elvis)
Subject: Grobbelaar
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:49:26 GMT

What more can you say?

other than:

Champion!
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Cleveland Crunch admitted to NPSL
Keywords: misc sports
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:57:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


This was on clari.sports.misc.

clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International) writes:

>	The Cleveland Crunch became the third expansion team to be admitted
>to the National Professional Soccer League for the 1992-93 season. There
>are 12 members of the NPSL with a membership application from the
>Wichita Wings awaiting review.

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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: le championnat
Date: 28 Aug 1992 07:17:56 -0500
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Yes, Mozer is playing for Benfica.

Roland Courbis is our coach and Jean Fernandez is the coach of OM.

Kent
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Subject: Re: le championnat
From: zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...)
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:16:41 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <25AUG92.12267756.0187@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, L0IW <L0IW@UNB.CA> writes:
> 
>    hello to all the fans of the french champ (the best football)
> 
>          I would like to know where MOZER is playing this year and who
>  are the coaches of marseille and bordeaux.
>          thanx
> 
>                       OGC NICE COTE D'AZUR next year in first division
>                                             (hopefully!)
> 

I think he is now playing in Portugal, Benfica if not mistaken.

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From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Subject: Re: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:51:18 GMT

In <9208250846.aa09979@ingate.microsoft.COM> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:

>As brief as possible, could someone update me on what appears to be the 
>*controversy?*

It appears to me that controversy is that some guys are fans of Europe and
the others are of South America 8-).

>Thanks
>Francis.

Cheers,

Michael.
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Summary: Uffff!
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:42:52 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

Ariel Mazzarelli writes:
>>>So Europe has had more of the home-team advantages, but Brasil
>>>managed to win in Sweden 1958, whereas no European team has yet
>>>won the WC in South America. Hence. SA teams are ahead in this respect.
>>
>>With this kind of reasoning you can always conclude with whatever.
>                               
>*Michal* might be able to conclude that European teams are superior based on
>the reasoning in the above paragraph,  but no one else would.

You forgot to put a smiley. I hope.

> (------------- Ariel's lesson of quantum machanics deleted --------------)

>>And in this matter, the proportions are 14/4 = 3.5,
>>so South American teams *don't* fare better than their European
>>conterparts.
>
>A physicist????  Ok,  let's take it slow here.  Start: Europe 14 teams,
>SA 4 teams,  ratio 3.5.  By semifinal time (aggregate over many WC's)
>Europe 39,  SA 16,  ratio 2.96.  See? 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, Mr. Mathematician!  Is it the South American version
of mathematics?????  :-)

I think you misunderstood. The 14/4 which I mentioned was the
number of *different* European and South American teams which
ever reached the top 4.  I guess you can see now that your reply
fits here nohow. Anyway, comparing a number which is an aggregate
over all history, to a number just extracted from WC'90 does not
make sense to me.  You should make up your mind whether you
want to discuss history, or the present.

By the way, yes I am a physicist. But you are *certainly* not.

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From: bpohl@sam.math.ethz.ch (Bert Pohl)
Subject: Where is Thomas Hauser
Organization: Seminar for Applied Mathematics, ETH Zurich.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:50:25 GMT

Hi there,
about 3 years ago a player named Thomas Hauser played
in Sunderland. Before that I think he played for Basel.

Does anyone know where he is now?

Thanks
Bert
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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: Complete list of key transfers involving English clubs
Keywords: From the Sunday Times
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:22:51 GMT

Here's the complete list of this summer's key transfers involving
English Premier Division clubs, in transfer-fee order (British
pounds):

5.5m 		Paul Gascoigne		Tottenham to Lazio
3.6m		Alan Shearer		Southampton to Blackburn
2.3m		Paul Stewart		Tottenham to Liverpool
2.1m		Robert Fleck		Norwich to Chelsea
2.0m		David Rocastle		Arsenal to Leeds
1.7m		Darren Anderton		Portsmouth to Tottenham
1.5m		Des Walker		Nottingham to Sampdoria
1.3m		Stuart Ripley		Middlesboro to Blackburn
1.1m		John Jensen		Brondby to Arsenal
1.0m		Chris Waddle		Marseilles to Sheff Wednesday
1.0m *		David James		Watford to Liverpool
1.0m		Dion Dublin		Cambridge to Man United
900,000		Ray Houghton		Liverpool to Aston Villa
900,000		Rick Holden		Oldham to Man City
850,000		Jason Cundy		Chelsea to Tottenham
800,000		Mark Robbins		Man United to Norwich
750,000		Ray McKinnon		Dundee United to Nottingham
750,000		Andy Gray		Crystal Palace to Tottenham
750,000		Neil Ruddock		Southampton to Tottenham
725,000		Dean Holdsworth		Brentford to Wimbledon
700,000		Ian Olney		Aston Villa to Oldham
675,000		Barry Horne		Southampton to Everton
650,000		Tommy Wright		Leicester to Middlesboro
650,000		Geraint Williams	Derby to Ipswich
650,000		Scott Sellars		Blackburn to Leeds
600,000		Darren Wassall		Nottingham to Derby
575,000		Kerry Dixon		Chelsea to Southampton
500,000		Andy Cole		Arsenal to Bristol City
500,000		Paul Rideout		Everton to Rangers

* plus 300,000 dependent on appearances

********************************************************************************
* Costas Tsioras          * ARSENAL FC - COME ON YOU GUNNERS                   *
* jcostas%cbnewsb.att.com *                                                    *
* AT&T Bell Laboratories  * LEAGUE CHAMPIONS:   1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1938,  *
* Naperville, IL          *                     1948, 1953, 1971, 1989, 1991   *
* USA                     * FA CUP WINNERS  :   1930, 1936, 1950, 1971, 1979   *
*                         * LEAGUE CUP WINNERS: 1987                           *
*                         * FAIRS CUP WINNERS:  1970                           *
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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Rule Changes(yawn):Effective Match Time Necessary?
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:51:19 GMT
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Although the rule changes subject has been debated to death already
I am going to give it another go ("No!" "Aww!" "Not *AGAIN* please!":-).
This time it's about methods for TIMEKEEPING. As anyone knows I am not a great
fan of the current concept of using the referee as a timekeeper, adding any
time lost due to timewasting, injuries etc. after the regular 90 mins. are up.
First of all because it is inexact and never compensates for all the time lost,
second because it encourages negative tactics as much as any other rule of the
game. As long as the clock isn't stopped, the defending team can escape by
faking injuries, having the goalie bounce the ball for ages before kicking it
back etc.. You never see this in basketball or ice hockey as the clock
(operated off the field and not by the referee) is stopped every time the
ball/puck is not in play. Soccer should try something similar!
---
The PROBLEMS: "It would make the game more complicated!" is the standard
conservative outcry. Well, a designated time keeping official plus a stopwatch
would be needed - hardly too much work for anyone but nevertheless a bit
annoying for amateur & midget teams who generally play the game for fun and
have better things to do than holding up the game. Since timewasting is a
disease that is troubling the professional game only, why not introduce the new
timekeeping rule only there?! Problem is, the conservatives think the rules
should be the same for everyone. If we change it, the professional &
international game will be significantly different from the rest - even more so
because the duration of a soccer game will have to be decreased to 60 minutes
or games will never end.
---
The SOLUTION is we play with words a bit! The 2*45 min. format plus 
extra-time-if-necessary format is retained but a SECOND effective clock
that is stopped when the ball is not in play keeps track of the time the ball
is in play! Once this timer reaches 60 minutes, the game is over. In other
words, the effective game time is used as a method for allocating extra time.
So, the only difference between the World Cup, the European championships and
the rest is that a second clock -not the referee- keeps track of the time lost.
Those who arrange the big tournaments have the necessary technology to cope
with the new rule (both Italy and Sweden measured the amount of time lost
during Italia'90 and Sverige'92 respectively) while the rest are left alone.
Combined with new new backpass rule (which singlehandedly killed most of the
unnecessary backpasses to the goalie), improved timekeeping would kill almost
all forms of ball-not-in-play timewasting.

MARCU$
    


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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Slovenia first 3 rounds
Summary: Olimpia leads impressively
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:51:20 GMT

Again, if someone feels the urge to compile and post the
table, what's stopping you?

Round 1
Branik Maribor              1-1 Nafta Lendava
SAOP Gorica                 0-0 Koper
Potrosnik Beltinci          1-5 NK Ljubljana
Studio D Novo Mesto         1-0 Slovan Mavrica
Svoboda Ljubljana           0-2 Mura Murska Sobota
Olimpija Ljubljana          5-0 Rudar Velenje
Belvedur Isola              3-3 Steklar Rog. Slatina
Publikum Celje              2-1 Zeleznicar Maribor
Zivila Naklo                0-2 Elektroelement Zagorje      

Round 2
Nafta                       3-0 Elektro
Zeleznicar                  1-1 Zivila
Steklar                     1-1 Publikum
Mura                        0-0 Belvedur
Rudar                       1-0 Svoboda
Slovan                      1-4 Olimpija
Ljubljana                   1-0 Studio D
Koper                       1-0 Potrosnik
Branik                      3-0 SAOP

Round 3
SAOP                        1-2 Nafta
Potrosnik                   2-2 Branik
Studio D                    0-0 Koper
Olimpija                    5-1 Ljubljana
Svoboda                     1-0 Slovan
Belvedur                    0-1 Rudar
Publikum                    0-1 Mura
Zivila                      3-0 Steklar
Elektro                     3-1 Zeleznicar

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From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Subject: Re: Question re F.A. Cup 1993
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:54:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.173753.254@winkle.bhpese.oz.au> sbcc_carr@winkle.bhpese.oz.au writes:

>	Just a question about the F.A. Cup for 1993. Is it still to be 
>	played in May (as it has been since I can remember), or has the
>	date been changed to some time in March?
>
>	The question arises because a competition in Aus by 'Coke' (sorry
>	for using the name without authority), has a trip to the F.A Cup
>	in March. If it has changed, why, and if it hasn't......... isn't
>	the winner of the competition gunna be p...ed off.

I think the competition would more likely to have been a trip to the
Coca Cola Cup (I hate that) Final which is the latest name for the League
MilkLittlewoodsRumbelowsCup. The F.A. Cup Final will be played as usual in
May.

-- 
Timmy.
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