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From: sri@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (a.natarajan)
Subject: gossippO gossip
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:35:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: vambo vambu; vambar mahaa-sabhai; vambu bhushan

Asokan saar, romba nanRi:
vambar mahaa sabhai oNNu koottinaal pochchu!
ungaL viruppappadi idho oru vambu!

While I have a  few  interesting  and  humorous  anecdotes  which
people might enjoy reading, some I dare not post out of deference
to  elders!   I  may  share  a  couple  of  interesting  episodes
pertaining to Sri Semmangudi, though I have to be careful as four
of his grandsons are right here in the USA; they will  "kill"  me
if I wrote puckishly!

Conversation  with  Semmangudi  has  always  been   a   hilarious
experience!   He  is a man of great wit (and wits too!) and is an
excellent conversationalist.

When I visited India last year in Nov-Dec-Jan(92), I happened  to
attend  a  "book-release" function held at V. S. Srinivasa Sastry
Hall; the book was on Thyagaraja Swamigal's krithis, written by a
friend  of mine, Dr. Sadagopan of IBM Research, New York (a Ph.D.
from MIT, a man of letters, a musicologist, and  one  who  has  a
flair for Tamil, Sanskrit, and Telugu literature).  The following
took place at this function.

One morning during my stay there, I read in  the  Hindu  (in  the
engagements column) that Sadagopan's book was to be released that
evening by Semmangudi and that KVN was to receive the first  copy
etc.   I  thought  I  should surprise Sadagopan (since he did not
know that I too was in town!), so I arrived at Sastry Hall a  few
minutes  prior  to  the  start of the function.  As we waited, in
comes Semmangudi accompanied by Sri K.V. Narayanaswamy  Iyer  and
his  family.  After the usual "kusala prasnam" routine, we settle
down to begin the function.

[Here, I must tarry a little and brief a few of our readers  (who
may  not  know) that Semmnagudi had received the titles of "Padma
Bhushan" and "Padma Vibhushan" from former Presidents  of  India,
in   addition   to   his  several  other  "virudhus"  from  other
organizations.  Also readers may be  aware  that  lately  it  has
become "customary" for the Indian Government to award the highest
award, the "Bharata Ratna" title posthumously to individuals (eg.
MGR,   Rajiv,   Patel,   Nethaji  were  all  awarded  this  title
posthumously!]

Soon after the function began with a song  by  Mrs  KVN  and  her
daughter,  Sadagopan  spoke  requesting Semmangudi to release his
book.  In his speech, Sadagopan inadvertently referred to  Sri 
Semmangudi as: "Sangeetha Kalaanidhi", "Bhaaratha Rathna",
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dr. Semmangudi  periyavaal  avargaLE  etc. 
As soon as he heard this, Semmangudi turned to KVN and remarked
in a tone quite audible to almost all of us:
"enna idhu!-ippavE ennai `bhaaratha rathnaa' vaaha paNNyuttaarE!"
("what is this! - he has "made" me a `Bharata Ratna' already!")
                                                     ^^^^^^^
The small hall reverberated with laughter at his ready wit!

ippadikku
"vambu bhushan",
Natarajan.
("vambu rathnam" title may only be given posthumously!)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sundararajan@saturn.glassboro.edu
Subject: Hi !
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ 08028
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:32:02 GMT

Hi folks ! - I'm a first-time user of this NEWS facility. When I tried to
read articles from soc.culture.indian the process crashed & I was returned
to the system prompt ( not even NEWS> prompt !). Is this because of an 
over-load of articles in the newsgroup - if yes - why is it not being
trimmed down periodiacally ? If over-load shouldn't be a problem ,does
anyone out there know what else could be the problem? I'm able to read
other soc. groups like for instance, soc.culture.indian.telugu.| Hope to
hear about this soon. Have a nice weekend everybody. Bye !
-- Raman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ramani@thumper.CS.MsState.Edu (Caveat Emperor)
Subject: SATYAJITHRAY's MOVIES
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:39:53 GMT

Hi  Netters!!
    I would like to know where to get Satyajithray's movies.One of my English
    Professors wants to get them for his research work. It is preferred with
    English Sub title. I would appreciate help on this. Is it possible to 
    get it from the Indian Embassy? Send me mail directly to

    ramani@walt.cs.msstate.edu


Ramani
From: c152-gh@dv349-3d.berkeley.edu (-NOBODY-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: New breed of indian women!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 08:49:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dv349-3d.berkeley.edu

HI FOLkS:
what do you have to say for the following!
(the following was a posting in another newsgrp..you may guess )


>Tue Oct  6 22:52:54 PDT 1992
>Subject: Asian female
>Message-ID: <1992Sep28.161309.1892@usl.edu>
>Sender: anon@usl.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting)
>Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
>Distribution: usa
>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:13:09 GMT
>Lines: 4

>i am an Asian Indian Female,who would like to recieve correspondance from
>American males.I am hoping i can build relationships with.Please send me your
>fantasys and I will send you mine.


Disclaimer:

<blah blah and all the standard stuff>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha24.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Some Stats on crimes on the women of India
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 01:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.195847.29867@meaddata.com> udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz) writes:
>
>   According to government figures, 2,448 dowry deaths, 5,916 rapes and 7,116
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

To all those statisticians, this means there are 3 rapes every 2 hours. There
are those who clamour there are 10 rapes in this country for the same time,
just think how rarely rapes are reported in India.
>
>   "Behind every discovered case, there are hundreds, probably thousands, of
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>undiscovered ones," Mrs. Deol said.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>


>   Feticide and infanticide have given  India  a disproportionate sex ratio. It
>declined from 934 females to 1,000 males in 1981 to 929 to 1,000 in 1991,
>according to the latest national census.

Hidden beneath this is the fact that the life-span of females is greater on 
the average, simply put there are many more widows than there are widowers,
so younger females are becoming a rarity. At the current rate of decimation
within three generations (70 years) the ratio will plummet to 861/1000 males!
(All figures taken from Sunday 1991 magazine). This compounded with the greater
life span of females means that young females will truly become a rarity. 
This fact will sink into those dowry takers only then, when they cannot marry
off their ladla beta even if they give 50 % off on dowry :-) To their utmost
astonishment they will find that THEY will have to pay dowry to get their
beta married! Maybe then they will start aborting male foetuses :-)

Nath. 

>
>
>Sylvia D. D'Cruz
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:53:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


>Phew. That's a relief. If it's just that American men don't find us
>attractive, then we don't have to worry about the harassment levels
>ever increasing...that is, until the number of Indian male immigrants
>reach a critical mass... (he said it, not me :-))


how many ever indian immigrants we have i can assure you that you
indian women are going to be safe from any harrassment. even the
indian men are attracted to the much more attractive american women.



suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telgu
From: rsingh@goliath.Stanford.EDU (   raj)
Subject: Faculty position in Civil Engineering at IIT Madras...
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Faculty position in Civil Engineering at IIT Madras...
Organization: Makalu Mountain Hermitage, Mt Makalu, Nepal
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 21:51:43 GMT

[Oops... had to cancel last posting.]

A while back someone posted information about a faculty position in
the Civil Engineering Department at IIT, Madras.  That article seems
to have expired at this site.  Anyone who saved the article or has
any other information about this position, please send me an email.
Thanks a lot.

--raj (raj@goliath.stanford.edu)
-- 
Rajesh Kumar Singh               E-mail: rsingh@goliath.stanford.edu
Gauls!  We have nothing to fear; except perhaps that the sky may fall
on our heads tomorrow.  But as we all know, tomorrow never comes!!
                                         -- Adventures of Asterix.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mukhem@aix.rpi.edu (Maharaj Mukherjee)
Subject: Back to India
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:31:02 GMT

Hi Networkers,

I am going back to India in Mid December.

I would appreciate any information/suggestion/comments in regard to the
following questions.

1. Are students allowed to take the benefit of change of residence status
in customs?

2. What are the best shippers for books, appliances and electronic/computer
items?

3. Which travel agent from NYC is giving the best deal for a one way ticket
to Calcutta?

Please answer to personally to me.

Thanks in advance.

Maharaj Mukherjee

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:34010 soc.culture.pakistan:15771
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: **Romancing La Belle Dame Sans Merci: Part I
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:32:05 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.


      ROMANCING LA BELLE DAME SANS MERCI - A Serialized Exposition

>  A few of my friends including myself, are wondering about what
>  is the best way to meet indian guys and gals (ie opposite sex)
>  here in the U.S. Some of us would want to pursue just a rela-
>  tionship, others are inclined towards immediate (or arranged)
>  marriages. Any suggestions?


[Well, I cannot help you with tracing girls, but I can, if you may
indulge me, share some thoughts on the modus operandi once you have
trained the crosswires on a damsel that plucks your chords in spine-
tingling harmony.]

Romancing a girl is a little like picking a stock. You need careful
analysis (and strategy), some intuition and a little luck. Driven
by a sorta Feynmanian desire toward generalizing the process of
romancing, I am herefore expanding on my precept of the analogy
between picking stocks and romancing girls. Even though I may not
explicitly highlight the similarity, the undercurrents will, I hope,
be apparent. Shall we proceed?


ATTITUDE

	"She will be mine. Oh yes, she will be mine!!"
					- Wayne from Wayne's World

At this point, let us presume that you already have identified 'her',
complete with the angelic smile that can light up Fenway, sculpted
figure and related paraphernalia. 

Most important of all that can come to your help in your endeavor
is the belief that she will be yours, sooner or later. Belief, I
am thoroughly convinced, controls reality. You must forget what people
tell you about the difficulty associated with this esoteric art of 
romancing. The anticipation of the end and lack of proper documentation
for solving the problem have given this a bad name. Until now, that is!
It is often more a science than art, often bordering on the mechanical 
pulchritude of designing a sorting algorithm. 

[Note: Somehow, in my experience, positive belief regarding the movement
of stock prices does not seem to help the actual movement. So, I asked
my wife to sneakily short a stock when I go long and vice versa :-) In
this regard, these exercises are at variance.]


2. PUBLIC RELATIONS

For one to go any further down this road strewn with roses and other
such delicate flowers, it is imperative that you get into the compass
of her vision............ 

....To be continued in parts..

Satya Prabhakar
(satya@ssdc.honeywell.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kavuri@lips.ecn.purdue.edu (Surya N Kavuri )
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/Anywhere: a solution
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:47:03 GMT

In article <12823@hardy.rl.ac.uk>, ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Khalid Akram [Lahori]) writes:
> Hi,
> the attitude of society? Does the answer lie in government laws, religion, 
> constitution or elsewhere? And the problem is getting worse every year, not better.
> (have sex outside marriage). The prophet (pbuh) asked the man whether he would like
> it if other strange men wished to fornicate with his mother, sister or wife. The man,
> shocked, replied, "No, indeed". The prophet (pbuh) then pointed out that he should
> not commit this sin either.
> 
  I attended a talk by Arun Shourie once.  I cannot quote him verbatim
  but he said something like : Convert the man to Islam.  If he refuses,
  he is your enemy. You can kill the man, plunder his wealth and take 
  his women   

  If this is true, I am surprised that such conflicting ideas could be
  in one tome ?


  Surya Kavuri

  Disclaimer:  The above opinion is Arun Shourie's.  Not mine.
   I remember that there were some Muslim students in the 
   audience.  None of them could refute his claims.
From: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Oct15.205505.14869
Reply-To: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <SHUBU.92Oct13202703@green.cs.wisc.edu>, shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee) writes:
>
>From the movie Drishti: 
>
>"There is always a certain excitement between a woman and a man, which is 
>why they can never *just* be friends."
>
>-Shubu
>
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Net:shubu@cs.{wisc,utexas}.edu   [W]:(608) 262-1012   [H]:(608) 255-6322
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------   


Now my Rs. 0.02 worth on this subject:

	All this about it not being possible to be "just friends" with a
member of the opposite sex is utter crap! If you guys believe it, then it is
extremely unlikely that you have either girlfriends or girls who are
just friends.

Chetan Nagappa
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:19:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct14.155854.23398@csrd.uiuc.edu> ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh) writes:
>(Raja R Roy) writes:
>
>>>How many Kashmiris have said they are a part of India?  And how many 
>>>have said they would unconditionally be part of India?
>>
>>     This matter was decided 45 years ago. Kashmir is a part of India
>>and it will remain so. 
>
>That sounds like Stalin talking about the USSR.  That to most Kashmiris
>is the most important issue.  There is no point talking about anything
>else.


As far as I know, this issue was decided in 1974 after Sheikh Abdullah
signed a pact with Mrs. Gandhi and an duly elected Legislative Assembly 
ratified Kashmir's accession to India.

Now some 18 years later, a bunch of terrorists with virtually no locus
standii vis-a vis the Kashmiri people, aided and abetted by pseudo secularists
wish to change all that and start the process all over again. 
Sounds like a case of de-ja vu to me.

And what about the Indian people who are called upon to pick up the tab for
an election (plebiscite, if you must) and the expenditure of crores of rupees
to subsidize the Kashmiri economy and consumer products? Their views must
also be taken into account before we start talking of any sort of change
in Kashmir's current status.



Samit



>Sanjoy Ghosh
From: punati@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (yashodhar.punati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:33:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct15.143335.15204
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct14.215156.9699@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(Uma M Subramanian) writes:
>>
>>Just to add to what Susan and Aruna have already said:
>>
>>First, I don't think I (or the other women posters who said US is
>>better than India) denied the existence of sexism or harassment in the
>>US. I didn't say Indian woen face *no* unwanted attntion on the roads
>>either. What I *did* say was that there is no comparison between the two
>>countries either in the degree or the commonness of the problem of
>>sexual harassment.
>>
>>Having said that, let me say that I've had white American women (and
>>others) for roommates, very close friends, colleagues and I've had
>>a chance to observe first hand the reactions of men towards these
>>women in various situations -- in cafes/bars/restaurants, on the road,
>>friends, I've discussed the issue of sexual harassment. And I often
>>Not once have I heard of public sexual assaults/harassment as something
>>that a woman has to face in her *everyday* life. Yes, some men
>
>Quite true! And I think all of us, barring a few intransigent gentlemen,
>are agreed that women get treated worse in India than in US. 
>
>However, there ought to be some explanation for this behavior disparity.
>There are, IMHO, two reasons for this behavior: traditional male
>domination and puritanical attitudes about sex. 
>
......
......
>Any takers?
>
>Satya Prabhakar 

I agree with the observations of Satya Prabhakar and have the
following to add: 

a) I would think a person is less likely to harass a women (girl) if

   i) he has (had) co-educational schooling.
  ii) he has sister(s)  (or cousins etc) in his age group.
  iii) he has proper moral upbringing. (Yes, I am talking of
       a variety of the currently popular Cliche "FAMILY VALUES")

[NOTE: These are some of my observations. No, I did not do any kind
       of research and I do not have any data. Comments are welcome.]  

b) Punishment and public humiliation of these rogues would be a
    welcome start. ( I envision a day when there would be undercover
   cops on buses etc, who would grab the criminal and haul him away.
   A mandatory sentence of some fine (of XX rupees) and publishing 
    of this person's photograph, name, address etc in the local 
   papers would definitely bring about a big drop in this kind of
   criminal activity).
   

COMMENTS WELCOME.


Yashodhar
-- 
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 "In the beginning, man created beer, and it was good. God was   
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From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On our specimen chiefminister Jyothi Basu...
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Oct14.180020.25110
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

(Sanjiva Prasad) writes:

>You've also got to realize that the objective of the non-cooperation
>was much more serious -- and much more militant.  It was *not* just a
>show of numbers or propaganda exercise.  It wasn't a collective ego trip
>of a party flexing muscle.  

This then boils down to the end justifying the means.  And I agree with
that.  Sometimes you may have to do things that you think are wrong to
get what you think is right.  The only problem then is who is to decide 
whether a particular end is right or not.  It becomes a very subjective
matter.  Without any sweeping generalizations possible.

>>>These unions have quite simply become mafias, and hold the whole
>>>community to ransom.  And what have those  much admired French
>>>intellectuals to say?  I note with sadness that this is a new kind
>>>of caste system. 
>>
>>Quite effectively neutralised by the nineteenth century robber baron
>>capitalists of America.
>
>Huh?  I don't know what exactly you mean here.

I agree, I was vague.  What I really wanted to say is that I do have some
sympathy for the French farmers whom you so strongly derided.  In this
dog eat dog world, that is probably the only way they can safeguard their
livelihood.  If workers in the industries of tomorrow in the Mecca of
high-tech, viz. C programmers in Silicon Valley are feeling insecure,
I can well imagine the state of mind of those poor peasants.

Sanjoy Ghosh
From: budaraju@chewi.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sardar Sarovar Project - An Overview - 1/7
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:42:17 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ of Wisc, Dept of Chem Engr

____________________________________________________________

The Sardar Sarovar Project - An Overview





India Alert - Madison
Box 1, Union South
University of Wisconsin-Madison
227 N. Randall Ave
Madison, WI 53715-2236


____________________________________________________________

"The most important function that the Narmada Project is 
likely to perform is to transfer water resources in large 
quantities on a sustained basis from South Gujarat to North 
Gujarat, Saurashtra, and Kutch."
	
-Member, Narmada Planning Group of the Gujarat Government

"The problem of domestic water supply to arid areas of 
Saurashtra and Kutch would be solved permanently."

- Indian Express (2-2-89) 

"We do not expect perfect justice; in an imperfect world it 
cannot be obtained.  There is no doubt that in the national 
interest, people can be required to resettle.  However, 
India, in conformity with the development of international 
standards of human rights, has subscribed to certain minimum 
conditions that must be observed even when the national 
interest is involved.  They reflect the inalienable human 
rights of the oustees.  We believe that these norms must be 
adhered to.

Nor do we insist upon an unattainable standard in 
environmental impact assessment and mitigation.  However, to 
construct the SSP, India has availed itself of world-class 
engineering technology.  Should it settle for less than 
adequate standards in the application of social and 
environmental science?"	

- The Morse Commission, June 1992

" I oppose the NSP and SSP for the large-scale cultural 
ethnocide they will perpetrate."

-Baba Amte

"When  all the women gather together we talk about it [the 
impact of the Project], and all of us think about it all the 
time. All these years, it has been a sad thing we have to 
face, we have lost all happiness."

- A Bhil woman in a public meeting with the Morse Commission, 
March 1992

"In the face of this danger of submergence, please appeal to 
the Indian and donor country governments and the World Bank 
to recognize the severity of this situation and take 
immediate, necessary action to resolve this state of 
humanity. We, the drown and death squad, will remain here and 
keep fighting until the last."

- Medha Patkar, Narmada Bachao Andolan
____________________________________________________________

India Alert - Madison is a local chapter of India Alert, c/o 
811 N. Oak Park Ave., Oak Park, IL 60302. India Alert aims to 
monitor and document the human rights situation in India. For 
further information about the Madison chapter, contact 
Srinivas at (608) 262-8266 or send e-mail to 
ia_core@nacho.cs.wisc.edu.

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