From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Cooking/Heating Protein--Last Beating of A Dead Horse??
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:11:07 GMT
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In article <1992Oct1.212254.6983@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.133647.24@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>
>>St. Catherine's, Ontario: Modern Publications, 1967.  I had no luck with this
>
>>Brit. J. Nutrit. 17: #4, 445-452, 1963.
>
>>Clarke, J.A.K. & Kennedy, B.M. Availability in wholewheat bread & in selected
>>breakfast cereals.  J. Food Sc. 27: #6, 609-616, November-December 1962.
>>
>>Gates, J.C. & Kennedy, B.M. Protein quality of bread & bread ingredients.  
>>J. Am. Dietet. Assn. 44: #5, 374-377, May 1964.
>>
>>Present status of heat-processing damage to protein foods.  Nutrit. Rev. 8:
>>#7, 193-196, July 1950.
>
>>Longenecker, J.B. & Sarett, H.P.  Nutritional quality of survival biscuits &
>>crackers.  Am. J. Clin. Nutrit. 11: #5, 291-296, November 1963.
>>
>>Annand, J.C.  The case against heated animal protein.  J. Atheroscler. Res. 3:
>>#2, 153-156, March-April 1963.
>
>Do you have more recent evidence? All of this stuff is *quite* old.
 
Old doesn't necessarily mean wrong, but my original source of the statement
re cooking/heating protein was written in '82; his references were some of
the above & "Diet & Disease" by Cheraskin et al which was originally published
in '68 & the other references come from his book.

>Also, there are many good sources of protein, one doesn't need
>supplementation. The body will only use what it needs the remaining
>amino acids are digested. Unless you have a very strange diet, 
>I bet most if not all of the protein supplementation you take is
>digested. If you want proof you can measur the nitrogen content
>in your urine. If you are not excreting any compounds containing 
>nitrogen, then your body is in fact using all of the protein you
>consume. What makes you think you need protein supplementation?
 
Again, I'm not recommending that anyone else in the world supplement their
diet with protein, vitamins, minerals or any other food supplements.  From
what I've read & heard, I want to do so & will continue to do so until
either the FDA stops me or I die, which hopefully won't be from an overdose
of protein ;-)  I supplement my breakfast & lunch with protein because I don't
feel that I get much protein at those meals.  At dinnertime, I don't
supplement & usually get some pretty good protein from food.  I feel good
knowing that my body will have what it needs & if it has a little more than
it needs, that doesn't bother me either.  I am not going to cease my
supplemention no matter how scientifically sound your arguments appear to be.
I do hope, however, that your flames don't kill me :-)  As I said, there is a
freedom of choice, to some extent, in this country.

>And, the idea the fact the you have been supplementating your diet
>and you are in good health is only correlational. They may not
>be related at all. If you have been taking sugar pills all this time
>would you think the reason you are helathy is because of the pills?

I like the correlation though.  And I haven't been taking sugar pills as
I totally avoid refined carbohydrates.  I know that I'm sick much less often,
have more energy, require less sleep & do many things athletically that most
people my age no longer do.  If I were taking sugar pills, I would know
why my health was poor.

>Compared to some vitamins and minerals, stocking up on protein
>is useless, because the body will not store them up, any extras
>are digested.

You mentioned that above...is Alzheimer's setting in??  Just kidding, John.

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Probably true & no, not if you have more than one ;-)
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