From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:21:56 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <BzEy70.7w4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes:
>cherokee@cscns.com (Agv'nige Wohali) writes:
>
>>Who gives a shit whether the figure is 2% or 4% or 10% or even 78%?  Why
>>do so many newsgroups attract so many of these sorry-ass Rambo wannabees
>>whose personal goal in life is the single-handed eradication of anyone who
>>does not think (or love) the way they do?
>
>>I say, leave the gays alone.  There are enough savory characters in the
>>het world to get off anyone who likes to read about child molestors and
>>rapists and rapist-murderers without having to look for a scapegoat
>>anywhere.  And sadly, the gays of this country are rapidly becoming every
>>conservative asshole's scapegoats.
>
>>YOU get back in the closet, you fucking sorry-ass homophobes.  I hope you
>>all suffocate in there, choking on your own ignorance and hatred.
>
>
>>Agv'nige Wohali
>
>Nice name.  If no one should care about whether it's 2% or 10%, then why
>are gay-interest's related groups citing the figure 10% so frequently?
>People are disputing the figure, not the activity.  Beleive it or not,
>these two actions can be mutually exclusive.  Some people have a care and
>respect for truth and science, and dont give a shit about what people do in
>their bedrooms.  I personally don't like being lied to for political
>purposes, whether it be a politician, or a special interest group doing
>the lying.
>-Dan
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Why do people cite 10%, Dan? Simple. It's not wish-fulfillment or
they'd go for twenty. It's the most often found statistic from
reputable sources that seems to pop up over and over in most American
studies. It appears in all the noted institute work and even in the
NIMH literature. And even that is blown away by the number of people
in the same statistics who have had homosexual encounters, that heads
toward thirty percent shortly after age 17! I counted up my friends
one time whose sexuality I knew from the communes they started with me
in the sixties and early seventies. They came out 11% homosexual, 24%
more bi or try-sexual (try anything in an orgy), and the rest were a
mix of het with an interest in watching anything, and BDSM, 2%! And
none were genuinely monogamous when they weren't threatened
emotionally with losing their primary lover to another. So I think any
criticism of the "real facts" is pretty specious because the facts
vary from place to place and how you ask the question. This is one of
those things that uses math in a more qualitative vein, not scientific.
The idea of 10% is simply to say, "We exist, and we aren't going
away!", but we are a minority beleaguered with oppression by a
majority in the past so that you thought we were an abberation. Ten
percent ain't no abberation.
- Steve


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