From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Revised consistency check
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:20:35 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <77666@ut-emx.uucp> andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Lynch's Imaginary Friend) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes:
>
>Note: I've heavily edited this article to get to want I want to reply to.
>
>>># *Suppose your kid switches sides, and becomes pro-life? And:
>
>So?

So far, it seems hard to find how Susan Garvin can claim to plug "I'd be
tolerant and wouldn't occasionally wipe the floor with his ass" when her
proven attitude is clearly contradictory to that.

>>># *Suppose they want to join the Catholic Church?
>
>I won't be going with them.  Big deal.

This was largely aimed at Pat Harumphrey and Mark the Irate Cough Man.

Again, folks whose proven attitude grossly contradicts the claim "I'd be
tolerant."

>>># *Suppose they announce that they're voting Republican?
>
>So?

[ Plus a dozen similar answers ]

As I said, ditto.

>>># *Work on the Jesse Helms campaign?
>
>I doubt there would be one by the time I have children that old.  However, I
>would wonder why; Helms is one of the worst things to happen to the Senate
>this century.

Second to Ted Kennedy, of course. At least Helms isn't involved in sex
scandals...

>>>Where do you even get the idea that pro-choicers wouldn't tolerate
>>>pro-life activism in their sons and daughters and choose to punish
>>>them with emotional or, worse yet, PHYSICAL abuse?
>>
>>From right here in Sacto. It happens all the time - I have two members
>>in our group who don't want their names listed too conspicuously
>>because they have active NARAL-member parents and family who'd pull
>>their tuition money and send them, 19 and 21, off to live on their
>>own. And there isn't any pro-abort around here who'd have a beef about
>>that. 
>
>Untrue.  That's poor parenting, no matter WHO does it.

The attitude is, if the kid doesn't want to face a little heat (as being
assured a loss of tuition money and so on, is called a "little heat"), they
ought to either "get enlightened" (translation: abandon pro-life), or stay
real discreet about it (translation: never ever even let God know you're
pro-life for fear that He might tell mom & pop in a dream).

And while they might not be like you, you know there are bunches and
bunches of these folks out there, if they're visible here. The attitude I
mentioned is no less prevalent than, say, people who sincerely believe
that pro-life could not survive without the Bible.

>>>Otherwise, get help. Even my future father-in-law, who lives in Yorba
>>>Linda, California, and is about as anti-abortion as anyone, would
>>>never do anything as heinous as kick his children into homelessness
>>>over a political disagreement. The worst he ever did was get *real*
>>>grouchy.
>>
>>Then he ain't Mark Kaufman or Patrick Humphrey.
>
>Fine.  Then don't paint all pro-choicers with the same brush.

Tell that to Kaufman and Novak who paint all pro-lifers as bible-thumpers.

Otherwise, you're right.

>>It still holds in this household that black Republicans are
>>sick-minded Uncle Tom's (well, at least my mother didn't believe Anita
>>Hill),
>
>Then they're just as racist as they claim not to be.

How's about the show "Roc" on Sunday, August 16, 1992, in which it was
deemed okay for a TV actor to say, "I play a game when I watch the
Republican convention. It's called 'Find the Black delegate.'"? Not that I
take my values off of TV (heck, I watch less and less of the stuff because
of my growing addiction to newspapers), or assume TV = implied values, but
if the only place you hear those jokes is on "Roc," you might be in serious
danger of sun depravation.

In other words, you've got a big portion of Hollywood and the NAACP to talk
to, if you're to stick by that statement.

>>And don't start up on that dysfunctional shit, either - at least we_
>>don't sniff the flower, drop out of school or have the cops dropping
>>by our house weekly, to check out a family brawl.
>
>That's not the only measure of functionality.

But it's a good one.

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