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From: pjam@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: How to get "The Overseers" in PAL/SECAM/NTSC on VHS or BETA
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:49:01 GMT


	"The Overseers," a fan-made 34 min. Doctor Who episode
			is now availible
	    in NTSC, PAL, and SECAM formats in VHS or BETA

		  ***** Acquisition details *****

    For copies in PAL and SECAM formats, as well as on BETA tapes, send

	$11.00 US for VHS ($3 for tape, $.40 for mailer, and ~$7 for 
				airmail return postage)
		(BETA will be more, as BETA tapes will be from $5 to $7,
		  -best to contact the address below for better detail)

	Please pay by cheque or money order in US funds made payable to:

		Geoff Mendelson
		  at: 36 EAST Willow Grove Avenue,
		      Philadelphia, Pa.  19118
		      U.S.A.

		gsm@mendelson.com

	Geoff will be able to make PAL and SECAM copies until the beginning
     of April at least, so coming up to April 1st it would be a good
     idea to E-mail him directly to confirm his ability to fill your order.

	Please send by AIR MAIL (particularly from overseas) to ensure 
     rapid delivery time...

 		----------------------------------------


    For NTSC copies in VHS, send

			In Canada:
	$7.00 (to cover the cost of a videocassette and return postage)
			-or-
	$3.00 + your own cassette (covers return postage)


			In the US:
	$9.00 [~$7.20 US] (to cover cassette and return postage costs)
			-or-
	$5.00 [~$4.00 US] + your own cassette (covers postage to US)

	   *US prices may not accurately reflect exchange rate at
	    the time of your order...judge yourself accordingly!

        Please pay by cheque or money order (in CDN or US funds) made 
	      payable to:
		  Eleventh Hour Productions
		   at: 51 Prince of Wales St.,
		       St. John's, Newfoundland
		       CANADA,   A1C 4N1

		We can now deliver in 2 weeks...

  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

	Eleventh Hour Productions is a non-profit group interested
     in the further celebration of Doctor Who.  We welcome input and
		suggestions!  That's all, folks. Enjoy!

			Yours in celebration,   pjam
				Phil McCausland,
				president, Eleventh Hour Productions

				pjam@kean.ucs.mun.ca

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who letter in TV Guide
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:54:31 GMT

keeper@deeptht.armory.com wrote:
>But, hey, this guy couldn't even spell `Rassilon', so ...

So is this the supposed official spelling? Here are some spellings with their
factual sources:

Rasillon - back of Shada video box
Rassillon - Shada script p. 30
Rassilon - The Terrestrial Index p. 17

As long as he didn't spell it Rasilon, he must have been right. Perhaps a novel
uses Rasilon.

Tom
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: WTVS
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:29:23 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan26.024829.7200@pimacc.pima.edu>, ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.174558.28288@cs.mun.ca>, neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan) writes:
>> 
>>    Well the folks from the Detroit PBS station WTVS were in town a few
>> days ago and since they made a few comments on Doctor Who I figured I'd
>> pass along the information.
>>    It's official, after the February 6th showing of The Greatest Show In
>> the Galaxy WTVS will be dropping Dr. Who.  The reasons given were declining
>> ratings and the fact that after they sold the show to the Sci-Fi Channel
>> Lionheart didn't seem interested in the PBS stations any more.  They kept
>> raising the cost until it just wasn't feasible to show it. They 
>> did say that they will review the situation and they might bring the show
>> back, but not before January 1994.
>>    Starting in March the timeslot will be taken over by Blakes 7.
>> 
>>      -Neal Crossan-
> 
> I think the "cost" is bogus due to the fact that the local PBS station
> here in Tucson, AZ doesn't seem to have any problems making a "profit"
> off of the series. They do deliver a "hard-sell" twice a year concerning
> the fact that if the viewers don't pledge Dr. Who will "go away". This
> pledge drive in Dec they were particularly threatening. However, they
> seem to be collecting enough money do I don't think the financial argu-
> ment holds much water. It's far more likely that some 'bean-counter'
> figures that a station can pick some other sci-fi prg & the viwers will
> still pledge enough that the station will come out ahead!
> 
> PHIL
> 

All PBS stations are by law, non-profit. 
You don't think it has anything to do with the actual amount of money 
phoned in?  Just because Who is still popular in your region doesn't mean
it is in others.  It also makes a big difference about what Doctor the
stations are showing.  Tom Baker stories come a lot more cheaply than
do the McCoy stories, and if McCoy is the only thing you haven't had
rerun in your area seven times over, then your station is going to have to
shell out some hard cash.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Shada + script package?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:41:58 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <18241@pitt.UUCP>, hoffman@cs.pitt.edu (Bob Hoffman) writes:
> I read somewhere (here?) many months ago that there would be a package
> made available with the Shada videotape and a copy of the script.  Did
> this ever happen?  My local video store has only the tapes.
> 
> 	Thanks,
> 	---Bob.
> -- 
> Bob Hoffman, N3CVL       pitt!hoffman
> Pitt Computer Science    hoffman@cs.pitt.edu    FAX: +1 412 624 8854

Such was the case in the UK, but CBS/Fox chose not to release the script
along with the video in the States, probably for cost-effectiveness reasons.
I do believe, however, that someone here on the Net posts up a mail order
house's offer of both the scripts and tapes though...

Steven.K.Manfred
From: kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Drewcifer Returns
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:50:53 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
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In article <1993Jan19.180157.23856@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:

|> >|> >|> 	Greetings to you all; reread ENDER'S GAME.

As to the depth of the characters Drewcifer writes:

|> I'll agree that they're MUCH larger than life...

Spoilers























Much larger than life?  In what respect? The life of  a 13 year old Nintendo
freak?  I agree that the IDEA is supposed to be that Ender is so brilliant
and so talented and most importantly so unafraid to use his abilities to the
max, however why does he feel it necessary to kill anyone who teases him?  Is
that the behavior of an "epic-hero" or the behavior of a cry-baby with weapons?
Also, when he's playing the computer game where he drinks with the giant
(forgive me for laking specifics, I read the book almost 3 years ago) and he
jumps into the giant's eye why are we supposed to be so astonished?  As the
story describes this he is the only one who ever tried this tactic and the
only one who ever got beyond that part of the program.  Come on!  How many
people do you know who play computer games at length and play by the rules
ALL the time?  If O.S. Card had wanted to illustrate the CREDIBILITY of his
character with this scene, why did he choose something so trivial for his
"great" Ender? 

|> ...and that is, in fact, the
|> point, which you seem to have missed.  The story resembles an epic poem in
|> that respect.  
|> 
|> Drewcifer
|> -- 
|> ***************************************************************************
|> ** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
|> ***************************************************************************
|> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

No, I don't believe I missed the point.  You are quite right, the story 
resembles an epic poem.  About as much as "Dune".
...but let's not get side-tracked.


p. de terre 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:29:56 GMT

In article <1k2r2oINNn2s@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio) writes:

|> It's very brief, but has the Doctor, K9 and Mary Tamm's Romana on
|> the floor.  Mary nods her head in a Romana-like way, as Tom explains
|> in a Doctor-like way, "No-one in this fucking piece will shut up."
|> 
|> Unfortunately, because the outtake is in a quick montage of outtakes
|> from various shows (the order of the names, using the first letter
|> of some and the second letter of the others, spelled "fucking arseholes"
|> when all the programme names are viewed vertically), there is no context
|> to go on for explanation.

I would assume, from what he said, that someone on the sound stage had made 
some sort of sound that would be recorded, hence ruining the take. Somebody
probably knocked something over - doesn't take much with those sets...

|> --
|> Email replies must be sent to keeper@deeptht.armory.com
|> 

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From: johnston@fys.ruu.nl (Helen Johnston)
Subject: Re: For Thine is the kingdom
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:46:30 GMT

In article <d6n3qd#@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
> 
> All right, I tripped up a bit here. It isn't said at the end of the Lord's 
>Prayer. But I could have sworn that _somewhere_ in the Catholic Mass that I
>remember going to (not so long ago that it was in Latin), there occurs the 
>line: "For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever".
>Now, I know that r.a.b is just swarming with ex-, lapsed and recovered 
>Catholics, but is there anyone in here who's actually been to a Mass lately
>who could tell me that I wasn't hallucinating that part, and where exactly
>it occurs? 
> 
Yes, yes; after you get to the "...deliver us from evil" bit, the
congregation stops and the priest says "Deliver us, Lord, from every
evil..." (mumble mumble: I haven't been to Mass THAT recently!), after
which the congregation continues "For the kingdom, the power, and the
glory are yours, now and for ever" (in the new, nasty Catholic
translation). You weren't hallucinating.

-- 
Helen Johnston       | Astronomye is an harde thynge and yvel forto knowe.
johnston@fys.ruu.nl  |      -- William Langland, Piers the Plowman
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:04:21 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
 <C18LHF.2yJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

In article <C18LHF.2yJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, glink@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(gary g link) says:

>The essay 'Revealed at last! What killed the dinosaurs! And you don't
>look so terrific yourself.' is indeed in the anthology _Strange Wine_.

I'm not positive on that one. I think "Dinosaurs..." was published as the
foreward to _Approaching_Oblivion_,and that a piece focusing more specifically
on television ended up in _Strange_Wine_.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Academic Settings meets Biggest Disappointments and Surprises
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:38:19 GMT

Cythia Voigt's second-best novel, imo, also a juvenile, is "Tell Me That
the Lovers Are Losers".  I've only seen it in hardcover.  (It's rooted
firmly enough in the sixties that there might not be much of a market for
a paperback edition.)

The publisher deserves to be nominated for the Ring-in-a-Volcano award:
Along with the ISBN and similar stats is a list of indexing terms, and
the first entry on the list is 'volleyball', which is a bit like indexing
"The Wizard of Oz" under 'slippers'.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Forcing the Spring
Date: 27 Jan 1993 03:03:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: cyclops.eece.unm.edu

> garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) writes:
>
>     The spring term at Oxford is called Hillary (or is it Hilary?)
>
>Could there be any Freudian connotation here?
>

	Half-way thru _The Sirens Sang of Murder_, it is
	evident that Ms. Caudwell has been to some trouble
	to make the narrator, Hilary Tamar, completely
	neuter, and suppress all clues as to his/her gender.
	A little mystery in a mystery.

rms
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.censorship
From: finneyk@seanews.akita.com (Ken Finney)
Subject: Re: Federal-level Book Censorship in the USA
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:58:52 GMT


There are many books that are not "officially banned" but no store
would dare handle.  "Show Me!" is such a book.  The Seattle library
has it, and huge effort was made to force them to get rid of it.
The library managed to get to keep it, but it isn't on the shelves;
I don't know what one would have to do to be allowed to view it.
This same book, is not available anywhere that I've ever heard of
in the U.S. (anymore).  Any store that handled it would immeadiately
be arrested for child pornography, and most likely, their store 
shut down.  Even though they would be cleared by the courts, they
would have to spend many thousands of dollars in legal fees, be
without income for several months or years, and be forever branded
as "child pornographers".  So you can understand why no bookstores
will handle this book.  I also heard just a few days ago that one
person has been convicted and is now serving time for having pictures
and video tapes of "young girls" in bathing suits and lingerie.


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From: cyberoid@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,comp.graphics.visualization
Subject: Re: Visual Display of Quantitative Information by Tufte
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:12:57 GMT
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu


Tufte is a professor of statistics at Yale.



Bob

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Tom Maddox's _Halo_ (was Re: The WORST novel ever written?)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:32:04 GMT

Matthew P Wiener writes:
 
>Tennyson had a couplet, something like "Every minute's born a man/Every
>minute dies a man", and Babbage pointed out that this contradicts the
>known population increase, and amended the verse to "Every minute's born
>1 1/6 man/Every minute dies a man", with the further comment that while
>not the correct figure, it was sufficiently accurate for poetry.  Later
>editions substituted "moment" for "minute".
>
>I won't go so far as to say Debil was the Babbage to your Tennyson, but
>there are weak parallels.

  I only wish I had the grace and wit Babbage demonstrated to Tennyson.

 - Debil

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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Why I signed off this list
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:17:54 GMT
Organization: SPUGE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

I wrote:

: >Is this not merely a reality to be dealt with?
: >
: >Yes, the net is a harsh place.  Perhaps there is some good to
: >be gained in learning to absorb criticism constructively.
: >
: >doug

Bill responded.

: 
: I'm not referring to criticism, I'm referring
: to rude attacks (e.g. see the increasingly hostile postings against
: me in the SF thread currently going on culminating with a posting
: that basically says its worthless to talk to me because I must be closed
: minded for having a pre-conceived believe that a particular book was
: science fiction and finally ending with an attack on me AFTER I had
: already excused myself from the thread).  I have neither the need
: nor the inclination to deal with such rude acts constructively.

I reviewed those posts.  I can see why you were frustrated, but by
usenet standards, that discussion was downright polite.  It is a fact
that the argument may have been pointless, but remember that you DO
have the option of ignoring the posts of given people.

I certainly grant your point that certain types of rudenesss are entirely
counterproductive to conversation, but I am not conviced that rudeness,
in general, is always bad, or, more accurately, that it should be the 
primary measure by which you judge a post or a poster, and it is 
simply a fact that most usenet groups are somewhat rude in nature.

doug
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Angelou
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:24:21 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Fiona Webster writes:

	Rod Williams writes:

		Francis Muir writes:

			On a related matter, did anyone else notice 
			how often the Radio and TV Johnnies granted 
			Maya Italian citizenship? Maya Angelo ...

		That is the way Ms. Angelou herself insists her name
		be pronounced (according to a different issue of The
		New York Times).

	*Italian* citizenship?  Gack!!  Did they really say she was Italian,
	Francis, or simply pronounce her name as (Rod correctly points out)
	she wishes it pronounced?

Gack? Why not Sheesh? Wouldn't it be more -- American? I don't have the 
same faith in the word of the NYT as you people. To me she will always be 
Anne Jell-Loo.
						RABworm


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From: mrichter@oracle.uucp (Mark Richter)
Subject: Re: Maya Angelou inaugural poem
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:06:13 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

The poem misses someone really *important*. The English. Hey, they only wrote
the Declaration of Independence, the United States Consitution and founded
this great country. The poem mentions Germans, Swedes, and about every other
cult, clan, group and nation under the sun. But, not the English.

Must not be room for the English in this Politically Correct America of the
90's. What a loss.

-- mark
Mark D. Richter                                             1.415.506.4852
Oracle Corporation, Desktop Products Division       mrichter@us.oracle.com
500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659409, Redwood Shores, CA 94065
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster)
Subject: Maya Angelou inaugural poem
Organization: Olsen & Associates, Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:19:28 GMT

I found Maya Angelou's inaugural poem both moving and beautiful.  Does
anyone know where I can get a copy of the text?  Thanks,

			*lindy*

lindy@olsen.ch
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:11:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books

In article <C18LHF.2yJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
glink@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gary g link) wrote:
> 
> The essay 'Revealed at last! What killed the dinosaurs! And you don't
> look so terrific yourself.' is indeed in the anthology _Strange Wine_.
> I also recommend from  the same volume 'The New York Review of Bird.'
> 
> Ellison had great hopes for television, and I believe that his hopes
> took some time to die, but die they did.  For an utterly fascinating
> look at the underside of series television I recommend the book 'The
> Starcrossed' by Ben Bova I think, or by Ellison himself, I can't
> remember, and the copy I had has been lent out once too often.  An
> interesting account of the thrills of making a TV series.

Haven't seen this book, but...I picked up the giganto-volume "The
Essential Ellison" last year, and under the section titled "Days
and Nights in Good Old Hollyweird" is an essay about the show. It's
titled "I Don't Think We're in Kansas Anymore" or something very close.
The birth of Cordwainer Bird....:)

> And read _The Glass Teat_ to find out his opinion of Spiro Agnew.  One I
> agree with heartily.

*throws tantrum, kicking feet in air* I CAN'T FIND THIS #$%#$ BOOK! I 
read it two or three times at school, but I can't find it anywhere now
and I've never even SEEN "The Other...". If _anyone_ can help me out
here, I'll be forever in your debt. Or at least for six to eight weeks.
 
> Susanna
Don't you cry for me.

=====
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All opinions are my own, but can be rented for reasonable rates
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:23:21 GMT

Steve Brock writes:
>I have two questions, however, for Fiona:
>     1.  What's with the arrow that goes under the title, points toward the
>spine, with the one on the spine pointing toward the back cover?  Is it to
>get the reader to turn the book over to see the abstract "chessboard on the
>lake?"

Analysis of book cover design, you ask of me?  Whoa--way over my head.
I see the arrow as doing just what you suggest.  At least that's the
effect it has on me.  Duh....

>     2.  And what is little Harlan doing on the cover?  He looks like his
>head and arm are floating in the air.  What is the symbolism of this?  Does
>"fingers down" signify a bad review a la Siskel and Ebert's "thumbs down?"

You mean his photo on the inside flap?  He looks as though his hand is
draped over the end of a sofa arm.  "Floating in the air" is just
typical for dramatic-author-photos, right?  (Am I having my leg pulled,
with these questions of yours, Steve? (-:)  

>And don't let Fiona get you jealous that she has the hardback edition.

That's right.  Don't get jealous.  Just call DreamHaven Books in Minnea-
polis and see if they have any more copies.  Ricky don't lose that
number: (612) 379-0657.

							--Fi
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