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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:56:00 CDT
From:         KNOPF@FNAL.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Help: Backup and Restore

  To restore files saved with BACKUP under DOS 3.3 you might want
 to try the following:
   1. Copy the RESTORE program from your old DOS 3.3 disk to your system.
   2. Modify your config.sys to include DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
   3. Include in your autoexec the statement 'setver c:\dos\restore.exe 3.30'

 Let me know if this works for you.

 Walter Knopf
 KNOPF@FNAL.BITNET
 knopf@fnal.fnal.gov
From: SJBUSH@LIFE.UAMS.EDU
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Subject: Re: Mouse Problem
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:46:00 GMT
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When you run the Windows Setup what does it say under the Mouse
section???  The experience you described is the same thing that
happens when Windows does not have a mouse installed in the Setup.
Is there a chance that he might have accidentally uninstalled it?? or
changed some other setting that might have affected his setup???

Sarah Bush
Consultant, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:48:00 CDT
From:         KNOPF@FNAL.BITNET
Subject:      uuencoded files

 I tried to use extract (extrct34.zip) to uudecode the faq help
 file. It recognized the  start, including file name, but gave
 error indications while decoding. Winhelp.exe complained "not
 a help file" when I tried to open it...
   I second Chuck's motion to zip it and let people ftp it.....
    Walter Knopf
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:39:00 CDT
From:         Frank L Laczko Sr <frank@LACZKO.TI.COM>
Subject:      Address change ..
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Sorry to bother the list - but could the list owner please change my
address from   frank@laczko.ti.com  to  win-3@laczko.ti.com

Frank Laczko
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:40:00 EDT
From:         Bill Adkins <adkins@CAER.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help: File operation in Win3

  C has function    fopen("file","attributes")  in <stdio.h>.  attribute
"a" is "open for append, or create if does not exist"...  Will this help?
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:15:37 GMT
From:         james p mcbride <BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject: Re: Secret to running Win 3.0 in 386 enhanced mode
              27 Aug 1992 10:41:00 EDT from
              <MBEHR%JUNGLE.decnet@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM>

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:41:00 EDT Marc D. Behr said:
>
>Hello out there.
>
>I recently purchased a 386DX-33 with 2 megs of ram that came with Win 3.0 and I
>don't seem to be able to get it to work in the 386 enhanced mode.
>
> [STUFF DELETED]
>
>Any suggestions on what to look for, setup or change to use the enhanced mode?

Do you have WINA20.386 installed in your root directory?  This file comes
with MSDOS 5.0, and should be deposited in your root by the installation
procedure.

>
>Thanks,
>
>Marc Behr
>VAX Manager
>Harris Corporation
>Melbourne FL
>(407) 984-5571
>
>INET: mbehr@jaguar.ess.harris.com


james p mc bride
From: tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il
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Subject: Re: Pixfolio
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:36:37 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <01GO88AH62QQ00018Q@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>, STRASHEA@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU writes:
> Dennis, are you sure you downloaded the files with IMAGE format, or in TEXT form
>    at?  I assume you were in textual mode and this caused the failure.
> Most programs don't care if the .gif is there.

After I got windows to work with the new trident drivers by excluding B000-
C7FF from QEMM60's upper memory management, I switched to 800 x 600 x 256
colors and Pixfolio worked fine.  Then, it worked fine with the other
drivers.
-dennis turner
tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il
From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
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Subject: Re: Secret Screen
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:56:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <WIN3-L%92082217001680@UICVM.BITNET>, BOBL@VM1.UCA.EDU (Bob Lowe) wri
tes:
>Too many people have too much time on their hands!  This is obvious by the
>amount of attention the "secret screens" have been receiving.  Oh, and by the
>way I was really dissapointed in the "secret screens" myself!  I was expecting
>something more exciting.  Well now I'll have to get back to work!
>
>Bob Lowe
>Department of Kinesiology
>The University of Central Arkansas
>BOBL@VM1.UCA.EDU
>
>p.s. Please don't post any more of these WIN 3.1 teasers it's keeping me from
>my work!
>
Additionally, I find reprehensible that these elitist clowns of programming
are cluttering my disk and programs that I pay for with garbage.  The time it
took these clowns to create the "secret screens" is reflected in the cost of
the program.  This applies not only to windows but other programs that have
these items.  This type of activity by the programmers will speed the events
described in Yorden's  (sp) newest text, "The decline and fall of the American
Programmer."

George
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:15:00 EDT
From:         ERIC WEBB <EWZ@NCCIBM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lalot's message of Mon,

> Often Pascal systems are not true compilers, they merely "compile" to
> byte-code which is interpreted at runtime.  This is similar to what
> most BASIC "compilers" do.  MSC allows you to generate byte-code
> instead, but most people only do it for size, not compile speed.
>
All flavors of Borland's Turbo Pascal are compilers, not interpreters.

As a procedural language, it is tough to beat the source readability
and execution speed of Turbo Pascal.  Object-oriented programming will
increase execution time in both Turbo Pascal and C.  Despite the
available language enhancements and toolkits, GUI programming still
takes a considerable amount of time and knowledge (read: hassles).

VisualBasic offers a nice compromise: scripting to handle GUI functions,
and interfaces to lower level procedural language routines.  I think the
Basic in the name has hurt the initial acceptance of the product, but
it is catching on.  So will other products of this ilk.  Perhaps they
should have named it VisualGUI or yet another OO name - VisualObjects.

Regards,
Eric Webb
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From:         Hellmut Golde <golde@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      A potentially stupid question ...
              4 Sep 1992 16:18:00 EST
              <9209042022.AA22312@june.cs.washington.edu>

...  but what does the acronym  FAQ  stand for (please reply to me
directly; I don't want to annoy the whole list, since most (all?)
of you must know what it means).

Thanks,

Hellmut Golde
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:32:06 CDT
From:         Moore <moore@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: No BMP at \windows ???
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              Aug 26, 92 8:53 am

> Does anybody know a way to tell Control Panel to look for
> files at subdirs other than \windows ???
> The BMP's, SCR's, etc... could be posted elsewhere.

You can use different paths, as long as you specify the full path name to the
wallpaper you're trying to use, like \windows\bmp\squiggy.bmp. Just type it in.

--
Jim (moore@email.ncsc.navy.mil)

I drive the very latest hover car.     I met someone who looks a lot like you.
  I don't know where you are,                She does the things you do,
but I miss you so much till then.      but she is an IBM.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:11:00 CDT
From:         $LPAHM0@LUCCPUA.BITNET
Subject: RE: Help: Backup and Restore

>   To restore files saved with BACKUP under DOS 3.3 you might want
>  to try the following:
>    1. Copy the RESTORE program from your old DOS 3.3 disk to your system.
>    2. Modify your config.sys to include DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
>    3. Include in your autoexec the statement 'setver c:\dos\restore.exe 3.30'
>
>  Let me know if this works for you.
>
>  Walter Knopf
>  KNOPF@FNAL.BITNET
>  knopf@fnal.fnal.gov

==============================================
Walter,
Thank you for respond. I already have complete that restoring. I just
use DOS 5.0. I didn't know that DOS 5.0 can take care of all old
versions backup, until I read menu yesterday. I didn't try your way
but it makes sense  to me.

Thanks

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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:47:13 -0400
From:         Will Urban--603/862-1582 <"UNHCES::URBAN"@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject: 1. Spelling checkers 2. Selecting cells in Excel
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    1.  Is there any generic spelling checker that will work anywhere
    on the desktop--like in my Crosstalk window?

    2.  Having selected a large portion of a spreadsheet in Excel, I
    would like to *deselect* certain cells.  One would think that
    <ctl>-click would toggle the cell off, but it doesn't.  Alt and
    shift don't work either.  Any help?

         will@unh.edu
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:26:00 CET
From:         David White IAEA Vienna <XID@IAEA1.BITNET>
Subject:      CorelDRAW! 3.0 problems solved

Thanks to those who answered. I have since solved at least the Draw prob
lems (not sure about Chart yet). My official copy of Windows 3.1 arrived
this morning. Before I have to confess to using a "grey" copy while I
waited the months that our procurement procedures take. Reinstalling
(the update option) has corrected the problem.

FYI, the "grey" copy was version 3.1.068 in the About window. The legal
copy has only Version 3.1

Version 3.1.068 was not a beta copy or at least it didn't say it was.


David White
IAEA, Vienna, Austria
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:31:47 BST
From:         Derek Jones <derek@AIVRU.SHEF.AC.UK>
Subject:      2nd go: BWCCENG.DLL not found

I compiled up the \borlandc\owl\exampl31\aclock demo the other day and ran
it just fine. I then deleted the symbol file (.sym) and ran it again. It
complained about the above file not being found but ran OK. Recompiled.
Try again. With sym file it's OK w/out it gives the error but runs. I
have \borlandc\bin in my path as well as \win31 (of course). I checked.
There is no DLL of this name on my system. (BC++ 3.1 + AF  - The "works" ).
Now I suppose I could have lost this file; (I have had some problems with
SSTOR - you may have seen my other postings......). I can't (and *shouldn't*)
keep 0.5Mb sym files hanging around.

Any ideas? RTM's ?

Ta muchly.

Derek Jones.

System Manager.
A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank,
Sheffield.  S10 2TN. U.K.
Tel: (+44) (0)742 768555 X 6551  	email:  derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk
FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515

(If I have too many C's in BWCCENG.DLL, - well, I'm not at my m/c right now!).
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Subject: Re: trident
From: edowdy@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:24:53 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <WIN3-L%92082713200891@UICVM.BITNET>, O1DSH@AKRONVM.BITNET (David Heck) writes:
> What directory were these drivers located in?  I just ftp'd to wuarchive,
> and didn't find the files you mentioned, just the same old beta drivers
> ...<sigh>....

I think it is in mirrors2/win3/drivers/video

They are tvgaw31a.zip and tvgaw31b.zip

See if they look new. They are dated 8/14 or so.

However, if they were new, I think we may have heard some news already.
(another sigh...)

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:57:00 HFE
From:         Lalot <MAINT@FRAIX11.BITNET>
Subject:      cursor

Hello all,

   I saw recently a red cursor in a windows config. Does somebody knows
a way to change the color or the shape ?.
I've seen nothing about it in winini*.txt (win3.0).

Another programming question: If an action is long, is there still a way
to respond to mouse clicks. In my case, the program is runing and then
respond to the previous actions. I know that windows is not a preemptive
multi-task system, but there is perhaps a work-around?

Thanks in advance
                       Dominique
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From: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Re: Win31 Swapfile probs
Reply-To: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:25:00 GMT

Of course, if you have sufficient memory (8 megs +) and use a large
cache, 3.1 certainly appears to work faster yet with no swap file
at all...
    Norm Buchignani/University of Lethbridge/BUCHIGNANI@HG.ULETH.CA
"If we have been accustomed to deplore the spectacle...of a workman occupied
during his whole life in nothing else but the making of knife-handles or pins'
heads, we may find something quite as lamentable in the intellectual class, in
the exclusive employment of a human brain in resolving some equations, or in
classifying insects. [This] occasions a miserable indifference about the
general course of human affairs, as long as there are equations to solve and
pins to manufacture."                                      Auguste Comte
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From:         Cindy Carter <cindyc@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Problems Running Windows 3.1 with an IBM PS2/56SX
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	Have any of you had problems configuring memory in
	enhanced mode so Windows 3.1 can run in an IBM PS2/56SX
	using the NETWORK version????? It runs find standalone.

	The same memory configurations that run great from
	the model 55SX, 60 and 70 do not WORK AT ALL on the
	56SX.

	Does anyone have a clue???

	Thanks,
	Cindy Carter
	LAN MANAGER
	Dean of Medicine Office
	University of Washington
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:39:00 EDT
From:         "Chuck Bennett (919)966-1134" <UCHUCK@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: comp.os.ms-windows FAQ: WinHelp format

OK, I got it finally.  Thanks to all that responded.  Yes, I did
concatenate it properly; but, I think the translation between an MVS
dataset and a U*ix dataset is what did me in (EBCDIC to ASCII, fixed
lrecl to variable lrecl, etc.).  I receive my mail via MVS but also have
access to a U*ix machine.  I pulled it off netnews instead of email and
everything worked as advertised.  GREAT product, Tom.  Thanks.

Chuck
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:43:52 CDT
From:         96942392@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU
Subject:      Secret Screens & Recognition
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Greetings,

To the people who disagree with the waste of space for secret screens,
ask yourself these questions:
   1.  Do you shame a painting if the artist stroked his name in a
       small corner of the canvas, wasting that "o-so-large" space?
   2.  Do you dislike a movie because the people who created it
       placed their credits in it?

All programmers know, with the exception of those few, that programming
is not an art of recognition.  Think of all of the programs, both small and
large, you have used during the course of your computer life.  DO
YOU REMEMBER THE NAMES OF ANY OF THOSE ARTISTS.  I can only remember a
few (Dave Jones - game programmer for Psygnosis, creator of Lemmings,
Blood Money, etc., and Bill Gates(SP?)-everyone knows him).  The programmers
who spent almost 4 hours on this secret screen did not "waste valuable
disk space" nor did they "raise the cost of the program."  Very few
programmers can create an operating system.  Let's allow those programmers
who created Microsoft Windows to be known.  Let's give them the credit
they deserve!

Sorry for wasting your time but I felt that the real issue of the
secret screens, in this case, had not surfaced.

Rick Johnson
96942392@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU
University of Wisconsin-Whitewater

Part of the programming/designing team for the Black Crypt,
an Amiga based D&D style game.
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Date: 30 Aug 92 13:07:33 GMT
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Hi,
   I am desparately looking for ftp sources of  Futura and Geneva TrueType
fonts for Windows 3.1. Any info is appreciated. Please e-mail directly  to
me as I am not on this list.

                               Regards,
                               Ramon (pclab@sakacs00)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:51:00 +0200
From:         steffens@VSIKP0.UNI-MUENSTER.DE
Subject:      RE: DOS question

Try a

	FOR %%C IN (C:\TMP\*.*) DO DEL %%C > NUL:

in your AUTOEXEC.BAT

Regards,
	Karsten Steffens	STEFFENS@VSIKP0.UNI-MUENSTER.DE
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:20:00 PDT
From:         "Virginia R. Hetrick" <IARGRAF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PHIGS under win3.1

I too would be interested in knowing whether anybody has found a
version of PHIGS which can be used with win3.1.

vh
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:49:00 EST
From:         Ben Alexander <BEN@ZIS.ZIFF.COM>
Subject:      Looking for Visual Basic discussion

Does anybody know of a discussion group for persons doing software
development in a Visual Basic environment?  Thanks.  -Ben

                                  ben@zis.ziff.com
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:53:47 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Programing

I upgraded from BC 3.0 to BC 3.1 and received no API documentation.

Borland offers a set of 3 volumes qith this documentation for about $30.00

You should allways get the Petzold book.

Shalom,
Memo.
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From:         LEUNG_P@PLU.BITNET
Subject:      Memory allocation for Turbo Pascal 6.0

  Hi everyone, I have a 486 -50 with 8M on board and a 250M harddrive.
I am programming using Turbo Vision, and the program is compiled alright, but
there is not enough memory to run the program though.  Is there a way to
allocate more memory for compiling, debugging and running the program?
I have the same problem while running Turbo Pascal 6.0 in Win 3.1.  I changed
the max limits of EMS and XMS setting in the pif file to 2048.  I still have
the same message "Not enough memory to run"  Does anyone have any clue?
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:26:53 CDT
From:         Moore <moore@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: FAQ #48: How do I swap the Ctrl and Caps Locks Keys?
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              31, 92 7:31 pm

> The answer to this FAQ is to check the Kermit distribution from
> Columbia (watsun.cc.columbia.edu).  However, it's not clear from just
> looking at the kermit distribution, which covers every computer known
> to man, where to find this little gem.

> Also, what I really want to do is rotate the caps-lock, ctrl, and alt
> keys, not just swap caps-lock and ctrl.  Although I'd settle at this
> point for just swapping ctrl and alt.

Josh,

The file you want is wkskbd.boo in the /kermit/a directory at CU; it's mixed
in with the rest of the Windows (3.0) Kermit distribution source. I went ahead
and stuck it on my PC server (130.109.115.184) in /pub/win3, as well. You must
unboo it into the binary version of the keyboard driver, then change the
keyboard= line in system.ini appropriately. Full documentation is in files
named like wkaaaa.hlp and wkaaaa.doc in the same (CU) directory.

Notice that all it does is swap caps-lock and control, though that's just right
for my purposes!

--
Jim (moore@email.ncsc.navy.mil)

It's Wonkavision.
It could change the world.
From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
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Subject: Re: Secret Screen
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:33:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <WIN3-L%92090113465509@UICVM.BITNET>, CFARMER1@UA1VM.BITNET (Chet Far
mer, Asst. Dir., Project IDEALS) writes:
>I think by now the whiners complaining about secret screens, easter eggs,
>etc, have wasted FAR MORE time bellyaching about said than the actual
>time loss the code bits themselves incur.  Not to mention disk space lost
>to inane complaints verses that lost to the screens I personally find
>rather nice.
>
>SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY.
>
>-Chet
>
>
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>
Let it rain on all your parties.  I have had much enjoyment over hearing you
and others ranting because someone took you to task.  It seems you cannot
determine when yopur chains have been throughly yanked.

Phil Thee McNasty
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