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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: UK CD prices hit the roof / Why not swap with US friends ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:05:10 GMT

jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <BuBGKC.12t@csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:
>>I do a lot of Translantic swapping with friends in the US and Canada. Check
>>this out:
>>David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" CD: 14.49 pounds (29 dollars) in Liverpool's
>>HMV store.

>>The same disc from Noteworthy in the US: 10.82 dollars.

>Well, speaking as someone who shops for CDs in the US, I would have to
>say that it's RARE to see a new CD for under $13(US) (excluding budget
>lines, I don't think Bowie would qualify)
*----
Not around here (Champaign, IL).  New releases are $ 9.99, and most
"standard" CD's are $ 7.99 - $ 13.99 regularly.

>Used discs are usually around $10.  Is the above disc new or used?
*----
Noteworthy doesn't sell used CD's.

>>My tips for UK people considering swapping discs with US contacts:

>>* Mark the package "Small Packet" and keep it under 2kg in weight.
>>* Mark it as a "gift" on the green customs form.
>>* Search out cheap CD singles (Liverpool has plenty at 99p and 1.99 pounds) and
>>  send a batch of them to the US. CD singles are like gold dust in the US and
>>  your US friend will be very grateful.
>Well, um, CD-3 singles are a fairly rare sight here, but *gold dust*??
>I don't think so. I don't think that many people would *want* CD-3s...
>5-inch CD singles are around (although not as plentiful as cass-singles,
>*ugh*!) but they cost an unGodly amount. (between $5-$7) So I guess if
>you meant *cheap* CD singles, you were right on the money I-)
*----
They are neither rare here, nor "gold dust".  It sounds like I could make
a lot of money opening a competitive record store in your area.
If you want to entice me to trade, then I'd rather have european 
full-length CD's that are hard to get here.  But frankly, most imports
cost me about the same here as they cost you there (ie: your 10 pound
CD's cost $ 18 - $ 25 here).
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	Mike Berger
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg)
Subject: U2's "Achtung Baby" singles set
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:03:02 GMT

Anyone have a clue what this package is?  I've seen it advertised.
Supposedly there are only 1000 available.  What are the CDs in this package
and the tracks included, etc.
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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: DCC vs. MiniDisc
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:07:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <RSHAPIRO.92Sep10113243@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

I wrote:

>   My main gripe with recordable CD tech at this point is that (so far) it
>   is only Write-Once-Read-Many.  Granted, a disk that you can record yourself
>   is better than one you can't, but wouldn't one that you can record over and
>   over be better than one you can only record on once???

>MiniDisc is not a WORM technology -- you can record on it as many
>times as you like.

I stand corrected. I thought I read that you could record a several
times before the disc was somehow 'set', but after that it's read-only.

>			One interesting feature of recording on random
>access media: if you decide to record over one track, the replacement
>track can be longer than the original, so long as there's room for the
>excess somewhere else on the disc. Or, it can be shorter and you don't
>have left-over junk between the end of the new track and the next
>track on the disc. These are quite nice features, imho -- yet another
>reason to prefer MiniDisc to DCC. As has been pointed out, the
>compatibility issue is somewhat bogus. DCC decks are able to play
>analog cassettes only because they're essentially two machines in one.
>This isn't "compatibility" in any meaningful sense. So, unless DCC's
>data compression scheme turns out to be much better than the one used
>in MiniDiscs, the former format looks like a real loser from most
>rational points of view. Unfortunately rationality means very little
>in the marketplace, despite the fantasies of free-marketeers: just
>look at vhs vs beta.

Well, I hope *this* time the better format wins!!
				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: vanhemel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Van Hemel )
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:29:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

John Fereira writes:

>Timeline you can probably do without, however you are doing yourself a 
>disfavor by excluding "Camera Camera".  Granted it's a bit different style
>that earlier works.  It doesn't have the "long drawn out" pieces like
>"Can You Hear Me" (one of the more challenging Renaissance pieces I feel) 
>but musically I think it is still very sound.  Annie exhibits some vocal
>pyrotechnics which match or surpass much of what she did on earlier albums.
>For some reason this is one Renaissance album I tend to play louder than
>others. 

Something about Timeline and Camera Camera the band itself just doesn't like.
They outrightly panned both in the liner notes of Tales of 1001 Nights.
(Well, okay, somebody else wrote that, but the band wouldn't print something
that essentially says "Don't buy these albums" unless they REALLY agreed.)
You say Annie's voice is great on Camera Camera, but how's the music?  I
think they had gone mostly synth by then, right?  Does it still sound good?
Any more Renaissance listeners' opinions would be great since these CDs,
being Briti$h or Japane$e import$, aren't something to just go get without
knowing what you're getting besides $25 poorer per CD.

Dave


--
   David A. Van Hemel           | "Just remember nothing
                                |    is the end of the world
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: korins-russ@yale.edu (Russ Korins)
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Followup-To: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Organization: Yale University (Class of 1994)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.041702.11272@ccd.harris.com>, dht@ccd.harris.com (Danh
Tran) wrote:
 
> Do BMG and Columbia actually pay $1.99 for the shipping cost of 1 CD?
> What does everyone think?  In my opinion, the shipping fee wouln't cost
> that much.  They probably make a profit of over $1.00 from the shipping 
> fee for each CD they send.

Well, Columbia House and BMG probably make a nice profit on shipping--
that's true.  But even with the old Columbia House deal-- where you	
had to buy six more selections-- after all was said and done, I calculated
how much each CD wound up costing, and it was around $7.50, shipping
included.

Once you muddle through all the regulations, $7.50 for each CD isn't
a bad price.

Sometimes, though, all those complicated numbers and agreements make
the clubs so frustrating that it's just worth getting the album from
a local store!

Russ Korins
PO Box 520 Yale Station
New Haven CT 06520-0520

korins-russ@yale.edu
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Donald Fagen and New York Rock & Soul
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:35:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep15.120354.17101@doug.cae.wisc.edu> loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:
>A Sacremento radio station announced that another New York Rock & Soul Revue
>album is in the works.  They gave no other information such as release date.
>I assume that it will contain excerpts from their latest tour.
Great!

>The new releases files at cs.uwp.edu say that there will be a new Donald
>Fagen album in Feb.  There have been rumors of this for about 5 years but
>I am inclined to trust the uwp files since they have been quite accurate
>so far.
According to a radio interview with Donald & Walter which I recorded ;)
the new album is going to be released RSN and the producer is none other
than a Walter Becker.

Hey, isn't it about time for a "rec.music.steely_dan" ???

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The digi-crap problem...
From: ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett)
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:50:57 -0500
Organization: Spandex Admirers Intl.

In article <BuBKKv.MD4@news.udel.edu>, jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.131818.548@news.cs.brandeis.edu> weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes:
>>
>>but I *REFUSE* to buy the new INXS or Deee-Lite CDs in those awful Eco-Paks.
> 
> If you really want the CDs, you can order them from Columbia House
> (though it's hard to say which is worse).  I ordered Bonnie Raitt's
> _Luck of the Draw_ from CH; instead of getting it in a digi-crap
> package, I got a Jewel Box (and accompaning booklet/artwork/etc.).

Not always.  My brother ordered Sting's _Soul Cages_ from Columbia
House, and it came in the digi-pak.


Andrew
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Boek)
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel Re-releases: Birdy & More
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:57:05 GMT

toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (T.S. Eliot) writes:

>                                              , and the proprietor tells me
>there's some sort of recombination of "Rainy Windshield" and "Fingernails"
>on a single compact disk, due out about a week or so before the release of
>_Us_.

Are these PG things? I don't think I've ever heard of them (and that's
saying something). If this is true, could somebody please post or mail
me the catalog number. If it is a US only release (That's U.S. not 'Us' *:) )
I don't want to miss out.

--
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|  Dept ElecEng, University of Melbourne,  Parkville Vic 3052 Australia |
|_____"Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another"______|
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: UK CD prices hit the roof / Why not swap with US friends ?
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:25:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BuBGKC.12t@csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:

>I do a lot of Translantic swapping with friends in the US and Canada. Check
>this out:
>David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" CD: 14.49 pounds (29 dollars) in Liverpool's
>HMV store.

>The same disc from Noteworthy in the US: 10.82 dollars.

Well, speaking as someone who shops for CDs in the US, I would have to
say that it's RARE to see a new CD for under $13(US) (excluding budget
lines, I don't think Bowie would qualify)

Used discs are usually around $10.  Is the above disc new or used?

>My tips for UK people considering swapping discs with US contacts:

>* Mark the package "Small Packet" and keep it under 2kg in weight.
>* Mark it as a "gift" on the green customs form.
>* Search out cheap CD singles (Liverpool has plenty at 99p and 1.99 pounds) and
>  send a batch of them to the US. CD singles are like gold dust in the US and
>  your US friend will be very grateful.

Well, um, CD-3 singles are a fairly rare sight here, but *gold dust*??
I don't think so. I don't think that many people would *want* CD-3s...
5-inch CD singles are around (although not as plentiful as cass-singles,
*ugh*!) but they cost an unGodly amount. (between $5-$7) So I guess if
you meant *cheap* CD singles, you were right on the money I-)

>* Ask for CD albums in return. I even ask for albums that are the SAME in UK
>  and US form because they are half the price in the US.
>* Try and roughly balance the costs in both directions to avoid awkward things
>  like International Money Orders.

Thanks for the advice/suggestions!!
				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Subject: BLACKLIST MAILORDER (prices hit the roof)
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:33:24 GMT


ok,
    some people asked me for the address of the
BLACKLIST MAILORDER. as far as i know it's non-
profit (means cds are about $8-10, lps about $6).
but notice: it's almost only punk & hc and they
haven't that much cds (and lps) to offer. if you'll
lose this message lool in MRR for their (and epicenter
zone's ad)

BLACKLIST
475 valencia street
san francisco, CA 

(shit - i don't have the zip-code here)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Ambisonic Engineering
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:52:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <1992Sep5.144833.1@venus.ycc.yale.edu> bamn@venus.ycc.yale.edu writes:

>Ambisonic engineering is a special way of recording sound 
>in which there is only one apparent placement of the 
>recording microphone, in case of classical music it is
>above the conductor and so the recording is as close to
>the original as it can be (because the conductor obviously 
>has the best position!)
>this kind of recording gives a special depth to the recording
>which is not generally found in other recordings. however,
>to get the full benefit of this recording it has to be decoded 
>in its special way. it was introduced i think 10 years ago
>but did not become popular because they could not gather enough
>support from the big electronics companies which would have had to
>include the decoder in their systems. Anyway, even without the
>decoder it sounds much better than the standard recordings, 
>and its a pity that it did not take of, although i think it is now
>making a comeback.
>there was an article on this in the Stereo Review of july ( i think)
>hope that helps!

Do the decoders cost very much? It would be worth getting one if they're
not in the same price range as full amps etc.

>naren
>Council of Engineering
>Yale University

>uaaw os ete


-- 
Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant)
Subject: looking for Lofgren,Gordon,Slugs,DC5,etc
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:26:17 GMT

I am trying to find the following on CD.  Does anyone know if they
are available?  If not, to whom should I write at record companies 
(ha!) to put pressure on for their release?  Has anyone had good/bad
response with such letters?
  Nils Lofgren       - Code of the Road, I Came to Dance, Wonderland,
                       Night Fades Away & the one with "Shine Silently"
  Robert Gordon      - Fresh Fish Special, Rock Billy Boogie, Bad Boy,
                       Are You Gonna be the One?
  Dave Edmunds       - Riff Raff
  Doug & Slugs       - Cognac & Bologna, Music for the Hard of Thinking
  Baker-Gurvitz Army - self-titled (1975), Elysian Encounter,
                       Hearts on Fire
  Dave Clark Five    - should be a hits collection out there somewhere
  Tommy Tutone       - I (1980) & II (1982)
  Ian Gomm           - anything
  Moon Martin        - Escape from Domination, Street Fever, Mystery Ticket
  Bob Welch          - Three Hearts
  John Stewart       - Fire in the Wind, Bombs Away Dream Babies

I have replaced almost all of my vinyl and these items are the only
reason I still have my turntable.

Also, I think I read somewhere that Dave Clark has no interest in
releasing DC5 material on CD (hiss!).  He would rather let that part of 
his life fade away.  Apparently he's making his fortune with video releases
of Ready, Steady, Go!  Confirmations? Rumours?
From: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Gold Master Discs?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:22:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20263
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>bearce@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Phil Bearce) writes:
>>Can some kind person explain if the Gold Master Discs have a better sound
>>quality than the run-o-the-mill regular cd's.  They certain cost more and
>>I believe they are 24K gold plated.  Does improve sound quality?

My Police "Synchronicity" ultradisc does not sound any better or worse than
the original A&M audiomaster plus release after performing various tests. 
Sting's "Dream of the Blue Turtles" and "...Nothing Like the Sun" do
appear to have a *tish* of clearer sound and the songs are a few seconds
longer on the Ultradisc when compared to the A&M AM+ series.

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From: winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com (Brian Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The digi-crap problem...
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:30:10 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Sep4.131818.548@news.cs.brandeis.edu> weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes:
>

>I honestly think that the person who thought this up should be shot through
>the hands and then forced to listen to 1000 of these CDs without getting
>blood on the artwork. :-) I gave in on Digipaks for CD5s because it keeps
>the price down and it's just a single, no need for a booklet or whatever,
>but I *REFUSE* to buy the new INXS or Deee-Lite CDs in those awful Eco-Paks.

I must admit, I too gave in to Digipaks for CD5s. I feel a little pang
of guilt whenever I buy one though. I'm betraying the cause!  But I
hold the line when it comes to albums. I waited for the jewel box on
the U2 album, but it pains me greatly to have to resist the new
Deee-Lite.


Why must they put us through such torture??


Brian
winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com
From: loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Donald Fagen and New York Rock & Soul
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:03:53 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

I have recently heard of two new releases of interest to Steely Dan fans.

A Sacremento radio station announced that another New York Rock & Soul Revue
album is in the works.  They gave no other information such as release date.
I assume that it will contain excerpts from their latest tour.

The new releases files at cs.uwp.edu say that there will be a new Donald
Fagen album in Feb.  There have been rumors of this for about 5 years but
I am inclined to trust the uwp files since they have been quite accurate
so far.

I would be interested in other details that others may have heard.

Jeff Lo
loj@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: schweda@iastate.edu (Christopher Schweda)
Subject: Bootleg CDs in AnnArbor, Michigan?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:16:39 GMT

Does anyone know of stores in Ann Arbo , Michigan that sell/trade
bootleg CDs?

Please e-mail responses; I'm sure posting might not be such a good idea.


Thanks,
Chris Schweda
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From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Re: Superstitions about the Eco-Pak  (was digi-crap)
X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:03:50 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.191705.16930@pellns.alleg.edu> ,
d'mayeur@tierkey.edu writes:
>-------	Oh, come on!  The newly designed Eco-Paks are just fine.  In
fact,  
>I think they are much better than the digipaks.  
>	Whoever it was that complained that the Eco-Paks are difficult to  
>assemble and are flimsy and whatever else obviously has never inspected  
>one.  It takes all of about three seconds to slide and lock the plastic  
>disc tray into place.  It then takes about two more seconds to fold the  
>inner cardboard photos over the booklet pocket.  It's really nice
because  
>the outside case of the Eco-Pak is hard plastic so it won't bend or
tear,  
>and it also "snaps" closed just like your typical jewel box.  This is
far  
>superior over the (mostly cardboard) digipaks which lack a hinge and  
>constantly flop open.  When closed, the Eco-Pak is exactly the same size
 
>and appearance of a jewel box.  The only difference is that there is
more  
>artwork on the inside flaps and that there is nothing to be thrown out. 
 
>And you shouldn't have to worry about having to replace it, because it
is  
>sturdily constructed (unless you prefer to throw your compact discs
around  
>like frisbees or bite them or something).
>	So go ahead, if you haven't already, don't restrain from  
>purchasing INXS' "Welcome to Wherever You Are"  (I haven't seen the  
>Dee-Lite Eco-Pak, so I can't speak for it).  In fact, most record stores
 
>will more than likely have a display model on hand so you don't even
have  
>to buy it to check it out.

At the radio station I work at the 'eco-pak' for the Dee-Lite album
already looks VERY well worn.  Our other CDs we added to our rotation at
the same time look as good as new.   (Of course, the jewel boxes are a
bit scruffed, but the art work is in perfect condition.)

I like the additional art work on the 'eco-pak', but the durability of
the package has been seriously degraded - I really don't think the format
will hold up well at a radio station for more than a few months which
would equal only a few years in my collection.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 12:51:18 -0400 
From: "James T. Orsega" <jo1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Nicks, Buckingham/Nicks

Has anyone else heard any more rumours about "Silver Springs" being
remade and released on Stevie's upcoming album?  Has anyone heard a date
for this CD?

I know that "Silver Springs" will be on the upcoming Fleetwood Mac
boxset (along with 3 new songs by Lindsey and/or Stevie- Stevie is
recording an acoustic song for the set), due out before Christmas.  

I also hear that Buckingham/Nicks will be released on disc at the
beginning of next year (with some new songs).  Does anyone know anything
more of these (as of now) unsubstantiated rumours?  Please respond if
you know anything.  Thanks.

-TIM

Carnegie Mellon University (Pittsburgh, PA)
orsega+@cmu.edu
jo1n+@andrew.cmu.edu