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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: Re: Target Panic
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:19:58 GMT

Dr. James Bridges writes a bunch of stuff on target panic. His description is
accurate of my symptoms and unwanted behaivor.
> The description is basically 
>"the inability to hold on target." When the pin is on, or nearly on, target 
> the arrow is involunarily 
> released. For me, I come to full draw usually with the pin low and right. 
> I can bring it over or up and 
> hold it, but not both. I usually wind up releasing as the pin passes the 
> target. Jerk! Fling!
> I guess I'd like to hear some experiences of others and maybe some new 
> solutions.

That describes my problem to a T. I don't know the solution but I warn others
who don't have it to try to avoid getting it. Maybe hold on the target for
a second or longer prior to releasing. I have found that it helps me to 
periodically draw and hold on a target for several seconds without an arrow 
nocked. (If you've really got it bad you might release then!) If someone had
the solution please post it.

Those fortunate individuals who aren't afflicted probably think "What is the
problem? Why don't you just wait until you are on target? That doesn't sound 
too dificult!" Well it doesn't sound difficult to do but we can't! We're 
addicted to releasing as soon as the pin approaches the target. Help!
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From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Japanese Archery Equipment (in Oz?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:51:44 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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Do any of the Australian (or UNZud) readers know if and where Japanese
Archery gear is available in this part of the world?  

Any comments on prices/quality?
What about the North Am./ UK?

Conrad

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From: Timothy.P.Stammers@dartmouth.edu (Timothy P. Stammers)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Problem with Bowhunter's Wharehouse/Nock Question
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:02:21 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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I had the same problem but it was with arrows from Gander Mtn.  Not
only were the nocks wrong, but the veins were partially helical (sp?)
and partially straight.  So, I had to have new knocks put on and all of
them refletched.  And to top it all off, they sent the wrong sized
practice tips.  What a pain in the butt!        - Tim
From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Target Panic
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:50:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

[discussion of target panic]

Another thing you can try to cure both target panic and overaiming is to try a
large open ring for a sight (preferably large enough so that at long range the
ring is larger than the apparent size of the target). You should find that
because you don't have a precise point of aim, the shot is a lot more relaxed
and easy to initiate. You can also concentrate on the centre of the target all
the way through the shot, without having a pin obscuring it.  Many of the top
archers use open rings instead of pins; the brain is very good at lining up
concentric circles, so they just let it aim subconsciously, and use the
concious mind to pay attention to other things.

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From: reber@ceres.fccc.edu (John Reber)
Subject: Re: How to quiet an Oneida Bow
Originator: reber@ceres
Keywords: Oneida Bows
Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:55:49 GMT


In article <80650@ut-emx.uucp>, shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd) writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.123304.919@fccc.edu> reber@ceres.fccc.edu (John Reber) writes:
> >
> >I recently purchased an Oneida Aero-Force and after a few tedious days of 
> >tuning it finally shoots straight. I love the feel of this bow, but it's the 
> >noisiest bow i've ever heard. It makes a very distinctive cracking sound. 
> >Last weekend everyone at our camp was making fun of the .22 i was shooting. 
> >Does anyone have any suggestions on quiting this bow.
> 
>  Yep, following in the fine tradition of Oneida bows, you have quite a nice 
>  little noise maker there.  I too own and Aero-Force, and let me just say 
>  than the ribbing you're taking is going to settle down a lot when you get 
>  used to your bow.  Unless those guys are just light years ahead of you in 
>  their shooting skills, you'll very quickly reduce their laughter to silence
>  when you start shooting the pants off them when you get used to your bow.

 lots of good stuff deleted

> 
>  Shawn Boyd
>  Austin, Texas


thanks for the hints about this bow, i'll be working on it this weekend...will
let you know how things went...

FYI: i'm currently using a bodoodle super-doodle(tm style-knock feather down),
draw weight is 61#, 30" (2316) shafts


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From: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Subject: Re: Target Panic
Reply-To: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:31:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.211958.28308@coe.montana.edu>, ketchum@cs.montana.edu
(Steve White) writes:
> Dr. James Bridges writes a bunch of stuff on target panic. His description is
> accurate of my symptoms and unwanted behaivor.
> > The description is basically 
> >"the inability to hold on target." When the pin is on, or nearly on, target 
> > the arrow is involunarily 
> > released. For me, I come to full draw usually with the pin low and right. 
> > I can bring it over or up and 
> > hold it, but not both. I usually wind up releasing as the pin passes the 
> > target. Jerk! Fling!


I confess, I'm another victim.  I've never heard the term before and never
realized it might be a common problem.  I find that concentration and ignoring
other things like actually hitting the bull, having a smooth release etc. help
... a little.  I try to concentrate only on controlling when I let fly for a
while before concentrating on the ultimate result.  Hard to describe, but it
amounts to emphasizing a different goal.  I also practice holding the pins on
presidential candidates and what not on the tube every so often.  No arrow of
course.  I'm sort of doubtful if that has any real value as a remedy.

The interesting contrast for me is that I do not do this when shooting fire
arms.  Scopes, open sights, black powder pistols, etc.  Doesn't matter.  I
should think it would.  How about the rest of you?

Brent Danielson
jessie@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Subject: Re: traditional archery,anyone?
Reply-To: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.050533.19761@wixer.cactus.org>, badger@wixer.cactus.org
(Badger) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.222402.29380@news.mentorg.com>
drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) writes:
> >
> >In article <1992Sep25.031141.16612@wixer.cactus.org>, badger@wixer.cactus.org
(Badger) writes:
> >|> 	I'm hunting for bow wood, and I found a reference to a wood called
> >|> "Black Locust".
> >
> >Well, i've made a fence post from it.  Almost indestructible.  Hard.  Burns
> >good.  It seems that some people are allergic to its sawdust.  I never
thought
> >of it as good bow material.
> >
> >
> >david rickel
> >drickel@sjc.mentorg.com
> 
> 	I never would have thought Orange Osage to be a good bow wood either... 
> 
> here do you get the wood? If you're burning it and making fences I doubt it's
> real rare...
> 
> Is it known by other names?
> 
> 
> -- 
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Osage orange is sometimes called hedge apple.  Both are common fence row, hedge
row invaders.  They burn hot and make great fire wood.  But there is nothing to
compare to osage orange.  It is dense and heavy like nothing else.  I've made
posts from them too, and I've pulled 80 yr posts out that still have the bark on
underground.  Totally rot proof it seems.

Osage orange is a good bow wood, and Bear made recurves which used it in the
risers.  I had a Kodiak hunter with an osage handle.  

Black locust strikes me as too brittle for bows.  It splits very well when used
for fire wood.  

Anyway, if you live in the Corn Belt region, you can find all the black locust
and osage you want in farm fence rows.  Farmers are likely to pay you to cut it
out.  Certainly, it is not valuable for anything but posts, fire wood, and bows

Brent J. Danielson
jessie@iastate.edu
From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Problem with Bowhunter's Wharehouse/Nock Question
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:15:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: the vms company


re: (Swedish Chef) ....

>Problem 2:
>	Due to my arrows being stabdard (goodness, I even write like I
>have a cold--standard) nocked, I will have to renock the
>arrows.  Is it possible to remove the existing nocks and reuse them to
>renock my arrows, or should I use my supply of replacement nocks?

ed,
	Unless they placed the nocks on with only the smallest bead of
	glue or pressure-fit them (unlikely), when you remove the nocks,
	you will probably damage them anyway. What are you trying to save,
	the cost of the nocks or the utility of having extras? 
	They aren't worth re-using. Just go out and buy some new ones to use
	as replacements.
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 17:29:42 EDT
From: <DMEJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Mail Order Info

Can anyone tell me of any mail order companies that specialize in archery.
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
Daniel
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: tobridg@scivax.lerc.nasa.gov (Dr. James Bridges)
Subject: Target Panic
Reply-To: tobridg@scivax.lerc.nasa.gov (Dr. James Bridges)
Organization: Sverdrup Technology Inc., NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:04:59 GMT

I came across the following paragraph in a recent post of Shawn Boyd's.

> I've also heard that this can make target panic dry up and blow away.  Dunno,
> I've never (to my knowledge) suffered from target panic.

I would like to start a thread (if enough people can contribute) on this problem.
 
I started shooting, let's see, about 14 years ago at Earl Bateman's shop in Pasadena, TX 
(Shawn, you should know Earl if you've been around Texas bowhunters as much as it seems).
I started shooting instinct with a recurve, made my own pin sights after a year or so, and about 
6months later began the mental dance that I later heard called 'target panic'.  I've only run across
this term once in some archery book (I think Glenn Heglund(sp?)). The description is basically 
"the inability to hold on target." When the pin is on, or nearly on, target the arrow is involunarily 
released. For me, I come to full draw usually with the pin low and right. I can bring it over or up and 
hold it, but not both. I usually wind up releasing as the pin passes the target. Jerk! Fling!
I've even got a bit of the problem shooting instinctive, in that I am moving about when the aim "feels 
right" and wind up with a lot of jerk and scatter.

I have tried a clicker (didn't help), I have tried putting the sight on the target and then extending to full 
draw (now I jerk as I near full draw, without a good anchor), I've tried mental exercises of all kinds. 
I read that switching to left-handed bow will fix the problem, but I'd hate to do that. 

I guess I'd like to hear some experiences of others and maybe some new solutions.

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From: edwin@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Edwin Chung)
Subject: Re: Target Panic
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:24:44 GMT

tobridg@scivax.lerc.nasa.gov (Dr. James Bridges) writes:

>I came across the following paragraph in a recent post of Shawn Boyd's.

>> I've also heard that this can make target panic dry up and blow away.  Dunno,
>> I've never (to my knowledge) suffered from target panic.

>I would like to start a thread (if enough people can contribute) on this problem.
> 
>I started shooting, let's see, about 14 years ago at Earl Bateman's shop in Pasadena, TX 
>(Shawn, you should know Earl if you've been around Texas bowhunters as much as it seems).
>I started shooting instinct with a recurve, made my own pin sights after a year or so, and about 
>6months later began the mental dance that I later heard called 'target panic'.  I've only run across
>this term once in some archery book (I think Glenn Heglund(sp?)). The description is basically 

. . .

[description of target panic deleted]

. . .

>I have tried a clicker (didn't help), I have tried putting the sight on the target and then extending to full 

. . . [a line deleted]

>I read that switching to left-handed bow will fix the problem, but I'd hate to do that. 

>I guess I'd like to hear some experiences of others and maybe some new solutions.
I must say that I am not an expert archer, but this is what I know
about "Target Panic" after having gone through it a few months ago.
Dr. Bridges, what you have is target panic.  [Note that, I am trying
not to describe target panic again 'cos I only started to suffer from
it after being told what it is!!]

The first thing I did was to shoot at a blank (no target) butt at close
range (2-3m).  After getting some confidence in my shooting (this may
take minutes, hours may be days!), I will shoot at a large target face
(122cm) again at very close range (5-10m) until I am confidence that I
can hit the gold.  I will slowly move backwards 5-10m at a time until I
have shake it off.

Another method that I have tried is, to bring my sight pin from
different directions.  Now, if I find that I am having difficulties
moving the pin from the bottom (6 o'clock), I will move it from 12
o'clock.  This will usually work immediately, but if it does not or I am
starting to have difficulties coming in from 12 o'clock; I will try
coming in first from 12 o'clock, then from 3 o'clock, then 6 o'clock,
9 o'clock and back to 12 o'clock and so on.  At any stage, if I have
difficulties with any one of them, I will skip it and proceed to the
next.  [BTW some will come in from 1:30, 4:30, 7:30 and 10:30].  Thus
far, I have found that this method works very well for me, and is very
useful when you can't go away to shoot at a blank butt!

I hope this help.

Good luck.
Edwin (edwin@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Subject: Re: Pro-Line Bows
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:44:24 GMT

In article <92269.102140RJF120@psuvm.psu.edu> RJF120@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>     I am looking to buy a Proline Point Blank. Does anyone have any comments a
>bout it? I'll take any good or bad.
>
>                                    RJF120

What kind of Point Blank, the classic or the New Wave? I know something about
the New Wave, because many of the people I shoot with use it. The New Wave
is really not a great finger shooters bow, but it is an excellent release
shooters bow, in terms of three-d and hunting. It is really fast in all three
models(39,42,44 inch) and smooth in the draw, but not very forgiving.

The Point Blank classic, and the target bows are using the same riser, which
I found to be pretty comfortable and light. The classic is a decent fingers
bow in the 44 inch. I understand a 48 inch is coming, but not out yet. I
probably would now be shoot a Pro-Line target bow (Carbon 300) if they had
sent me the left handed version in less than 3 months. I finally got tired
of waiting and bought a Martin Pro-X 10.

Anyway, that is some general stuff.

Dan Perreault
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: dang@boi.hp.com (Dan Gilbert)
Subject: Re: traditional archery,anyone?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:05:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

this is my first effort at replying to a newsgroup so forgive me for my short comings.  The note look for black locus
on looking for black locus for a bow just had to reply toit.  Black Locus is very comman in the northwest of U.S..  Boise has 1000's of trees.  However you should know that the bark is a deadly poison with no anadote. Very little will KILL you.   
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From: ejh2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Swedish Chef)
Subject: Problem with Bowhunter's Wharehouse/Nock Question
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:30:57 GMT

Hi,  I was wondering if any of you have had any problems with ordering
from Bowhunter's Wharehouse.  The first time I ordered from them
(about a week ago), I ordered some built arrows ('cause I didn't have
time to build them myself) with the and requested that they nock the
arrows cock-vane-up.  Well, I received my arrows, and they were
standard nocked.  My question about the situation is: was this just
Murphy's Law coming into effect because I didn't have the time to
build the arrows myself, or do they do things like this regularly?
BTW, I didn't get charged for special nocking, so at least they didn't
screw that up.  The rest of the order was fine, and when I called
their customer service #, the rep. on the other end seemed very
helpful, offering to send me extra nocks (which I had to decline), so
I am beginning to believe that the problem was just Murphy's Law.  Any
comments?

Problem 2:
	Due to my arrows being stabdard (goodness, I even write like I
have a cold--standard) nocked, I will have to renock the
arrows.  Is it possible to remove the existing nocks and reuse them to
renock my arrows, or should I use my supply of replacement nocks?

I appreciate any help on this matter.  Thanks.
-ed

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From: stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Problem with Bowhunter's Wharehouse/Nock Question
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:10:30 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.


> (about a week ago), I ordered some built arrows ('cause I didn't have
> time to build them myself) with the and requested that they nock the
> arrows cock-vane-up.  Well, I received my arrows, and they were
> standard nocked.  My question about the situation is: was this just
> Murphy's Law coming into effect because I didn't have the time to
> build the arrows myself, or do they do things like this regularly?

I have never had a problem ordering from BDW.  When I am ordering custom
arrows, I always fax in my order.  It is too easy to screw up specific
instructions over the phone.  All of their orders are checked with the
original copy of the order by a different person than the packer.  
	
> Due to my arrows being stabdard (goodness, I even write like I
> have a cold--standard) nocked, I will have to renock the
> arrows.  Is it possible to remove the existing nocks and reuse them to
> renock my arrows, or should I use my supply of replacement nocks?

I doubt you will be able to get the nocks off in a good enough condition
to reuse them.  I never reuse my nocks, regardless of how good their 
condition is after removal.  


Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:31:29 GMT

In article <Sep28.170504.33936@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> pm860605@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Peter Mckinney) writes:
*In article <1992Sep28.022432.7836@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, you write:
*|> In article <92269.140048MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
*|> 
*|> >I think this is a great thread (if I do say so myself).  Maybe we could get
*|> >a standardized drum notation scheme worked up so we percussionists can
*|> >communicate (!).

Perhaps some people could expand this into full music.  Yes, it'd be really
difficult. And yes, posting this stuff uses a LOT of bandwidth.  However,
mabye  if a standard (like the drummer's here) gets adopted it could be
incorporated into the FAQ: ie: a NET way to share musical thoughts,
expressions, etc.  

In addition to the NET, this also gives musicians a way to EMAIL pieces
back and forth, etc..

?Any thoughts?

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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:19:01 GMT

I've been going to Nationals for the last 11 years; I've decided to not attend
the championshiops at Jackson.

I'm not attending partially because of Jackson's weather and partially to
alert DCI that their grand experiment with the championshiop city rotation
has some serious flaws.

Are there others who go to championships annually who will be skipping
Jackson? Does anyone know where the all-top-25 show will be held 3 weeks
before Nationals?

--phil