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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: An impressive example of revisionism.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 17:55:28 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <11226.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:

> Tempting MUTLU to attack has become a popular sport in the past few
>months here in the soc.culture.* groups, producing exitement similar to
>that of a bull-fighter tempting the bull. As always, the bull

"MUTLU"? Much as he tries, I doubt he has reached your level. 
See you make a fool of yourself in the current discussion. Well 
anyway, a genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of 
people in an attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst 
crime in history. It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia 
and Armenian dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed
in the worst ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that
the human race is capable of such actions, but there is no
denying the fact that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
Muslims happened. Referring to notes from the personal diary of 
Russian General L. Odishe Liyetze on the Turkish front, he wrote,

"On the nights 11-12 March, 1918 alone Armenian butchers 
 bayoneted and axed to death 3000 Muslims in areas surrounding
 Erzincan. These barbars threw their victims into pits, most
 likely dug according to their sinister plans to extinguish 
 Muslims, in groups of 80. My adjutant counted and unearthed
 200 such pits. This is an act against our world of civilization."

On March 12, 1918 Lieut-colonel Griyaznof wrote (from an official
Russian account of the Turkish genocide),

"Roads leading to villages were littered with bayoneted torsos,
 dismembered joints and carved out organs of Muslim peasants...
 alas! mainly of women and children."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Sgt-Mgr Nissim Toledano found murdered
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:30:37 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <4781@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Shaqeeqa writes:

[ANISA] Vice versa.You should not criticize jewish behavior, whatever they do is
[ANISA] selfdefense, and whatever the aggressive moslems do is criminal.  They
[ANISA] brutally and sadistically killed Sheikh Mussawi, it's OK.  They attack

Sheikh Mussawi was a killer who died a killer's death. Not only did he kill 
Jews and Israelis but he also ordered the killings of U.S. Marines and French 
paratroopers in Beirut. He hid himself behind the name of god to conduct
terrorist activities. I'm sure Islam does not want to see people die. I thought
it was supposed to be a religion with humane values. Sheik Mussawi did not
have any since he ordered killings. Nobody in the west condemned the sentence!
Iran and Lebanon were the only countries to say anything.

[ANISA] PEACE AND TERROR DON'T MIX.  YITZHAK RABIN AND ISRAEL 
[ANISA] CAN FLUSH THE TOILETE WITH THEIR PEACE EFFORT CRAP.
[ANISA] THESE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN DESROYING PALESTINIANS.

Let's look at it this way.
PEACE AND TERROR DON'T MIX. YASSER ARAFAT, THE PLO AND HAMAS
CAN FLUSH THE TOILET WITH THEIR PEACE EFFORT CRAP.
THESE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN DESTROYING ISRAEL.

[ANISA] If Israel was so peace-loving and merciful, it would release Sheikh 
[ANISA] Ahmed as well as not allow their Sergeant-Major to die at the hands of
[ANISA] the "terrorists".

If only the blood thirsty hamas had given time to come to a solution, but
Sergeant-Major Toledano z"l was killed long before the deadline. Sheikh Ahmed
prones violence, because he is the founder of Hamas. The Hamas convenant
worships violence and killing Jews as it is said:

"The Day  of  Judgement will  not  come  about until  Moslems
fight the  Jews (killing the  Jews),  when  the Jew will  hide behind
stones  and trees.   The  stones and  trees will  say  O Moslems,   O
Abdulla,  there  is a Jew  behind me,  come  and kill him.   Only the
Gharkad  tree,  (evidently  a certain  kind  of tree)   would not  do
that  because it  is  one of  the  trees of  the  Jews." (related  by
al-Bukhari and Moslem).


[ANISA] Anisa

Tsiel
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From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israeli Nazism?
Date: 27 Dec 92 08:12:22 GMT

In article <1483500313@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:

>Israel has not deported terrorists, but ALLEGED terrorists. The
>difference is crucial. A civilized country does not punish people without
>due trial. 

	When the U.S. obliterated half of Tokyo, did the Japanese
	civilians receive due trial?  For more recent examples,
	see Panama, Iraq, etc.

>I wish Israel would emulate Western democratic countries ...

	Really?
-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, Palikaria Terrorists and Makarios!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:03:51 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BzMnsp.IqK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:

>The rights of the Turkish Cypriot people were not barbarically grasped
>by anyone, they were irresponsibly abandoned by them, under the 
>influence of Denktash.

The present administration of the Turkish sector on the
island is run by men who were democratically elected. To
suggest that Rauf Denktash and his co-workers are anything
but honorable men doing a very hard job is McCarthyism
in a different form.

They are simply seeking guarantees that will preclude a
repeat performance by the fanatical cadres of the Greeks'
EOKA. If such assurances are not perfectly implemented,
there is every reason to expect that the local Greeks
will be misguided enough to perpetrate their past mistakes.

Sank in?

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jihad is self-defence
Date: 1 Jan 93 12:12:24 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <4783@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.140846.26672@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> fedimit@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il (Dan Nabutovsky) writes:
>>
>>It is called Israeli defensive army, because it defends Israel.
>
>... by breaking the hands of and murdering children even outside
>of Yisrael itself!               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Anisa

Do you mean the PLO attact and amssive murder at the Synagogou Neve
Shalom at Istambull? exploding the Jet over Scotland? or any other
case when Arab terrorists murdered kids and adult ?
You can't blame the Israeli army for not defending all the world!

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: jewish fundamenta 1/3
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:25:34 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec27.093552.123@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>
>Isn't it also strange that no one mentions that, as policy, no Jews are allowed
>entry into Saudi Arabia ? Jewish soldiers in the American army in Desert Storm
>had to  conceal their identities. There are incidents of American senators who
>are Jewish who were denied entry into Saudi Arabia although the rest of the
>American Congressional delegation entered without any problem.

Does this have anything to say about the U.S. loyaties towards Israel? 

>I forgot. Only Israel is racist. :-)

Don't forget next time Josh!  :-)

Anisa

	"Open your heart - showing the anger and pain
	 - so you heal."  [Shaking the Tree]
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:41:47 GMT

This article was mis-posted to soc.culture.jewish -- please respect its
redirection.

In article <4816@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <isaac.725802594@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>>
>>Don't use Religion to hide the bloodied knife of those who have
>>no respect for others.
>
>As you stated in another post, 'MEMBERSHIP to this group' is a crime
>in itself, according to Israel.  This was the most convenient and
>reliable excuse that Israel had to condone its actions.  Pure and
>simple.

"Membership to this group" is [a] based on the members political
ideology, otherwise why are there Muslim Arabs who are *not*
members? [b] outlawed, in the same fashion that Germany makes it
a crime to be a Nazi.

>>These are the same blood curdlers who scream for Salman Rushdie's life
>>without regard for other countries laws.
>
>Don't try to tie in two separate issues.  The Salman Rushdie affair is
>dead and buried.  And if you want to use double standards about regard
>for human life and international law, it adds very little value or
>credibility to your statements.  And you don't even have to scream
>religion, except when your own people were genocided by Nazis.

Yes, we were "genocided by Nazis" BECAUSE WE WERE JEWS. When white
Americans oppressed blacks, it was *solely* an issue of skin color
(race), and no distinction was made based on whether a black person
was Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, Muslim, etc. When Salman Rushdie
was condemned to death in Iran (BTW, the sentence *still* stands),
it was *solely* an issue of religion, and no restriction was imposed
about who could kill him based on nationality -- it was/is "open
season" on Rushdie for *all* Muslims.

The State of Israel, however, does *not* outlaw membership in Hamas
by Muslims (but not by Jews/Xians/others), and does *not* make it a
crime outside of Israel.


Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,sci.lang
From: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Bulgarians - descendents of a Finnis tribe?
Followup-To: sci.lang
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Cisco Systems (MIS)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:19:17 GMT

In article <Bzz20F.JAu@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft (Cameron Laird) writes:
>In article <tervio.9@katk.Helsinki.FI> tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI (TERVI| MARKO J) writes:
>>I've heard the same thing on a Finnish TV channel - It was the interview of
>>Turkey's president (Ozal or something like that).  It was he who told about 
>>his childhood and having to read the book in question, where Finland was a 
>>model society (it sounded funny,really).  He said that it's a widespread 
>>belief in Turkey that the Turks and the Finns are somehow related.  So if 
>
>I'm having a hard time understanding this thread, but perhaps it will be
>useful to note that linguists generally agree--though not without ongoing
>disputes-- that there is a Ural-Altaic language superfamily which subsumes
>Fenno-Ugric and Turkic branches, among others.  My impression is that the
>genetic connections between modern Finnish and Turkish are less apparent than
>those between Portuguese, say, and Russian.

Linguists generally do *not* agree on the existence of Ural-Altaic:  This was
posited on *typological* grounds in the 19th century, when typology was assumed
to recapitulate ontogeny, or something like that.  The basis of the claim of
relationship was that both families show widespread vowel harmony.

If there is anything to the Nostratic hypothesis, Uralic and Altaic may be
co-equal branches of the super-family, but I doubt that they are any more
*demonstrably* closely related than Uralic and Indo-European.

>There is no doubt "that the Turks and the Finns are somehow related".  I'm not
>in a position to judge how best to map the latest scientific scholarship on
>this question onto the "widespread belief[s] in Turkey".

There is quite some doubt that they are related.  And with Turkic specialists
denying any relationship with Mongolian, though that is easily demonstrable, I
don't think that further research will be forthcoming until that whole mess is
cleared up.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
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From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Demilitarization
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:00:55 GMT


>>>I don't see the reason why Palestinians should not demand the
>>>demilitarization of Israel, as a measure of protecting their security.

>>	And the Kurds should demand the demilitarization of
>>	Turkey, Iran, and Iraq.

<4774@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
 
>Of course they should demand it.  Why not?  

	Because we live in the real world.
	While the Kurds would be safer with Turkey, Iran,
	and Iraq demilitarized, it would be futile for them
	to make such a demand.  These three countries distrust
	each other far too much to dismantle their military.

	Demand for the demilitarization of Israel is similar
	folly, especially when Israel is surrounded by enemies
	explicitly calling for her annihilation.
-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Cancels
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:52:55 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <NDDiwB3w165w@mediaone.freeside.com> exile@mediaone.freeside.com (Exile in Paradise) writes:

>Really, I wish the Argic material was a AI-like program or some such, 
>because I would like to see the coding! Alas it is not to be... instead 
>we (everyone NOT argic) are forced to stand idly by while the InterNet 
>terrorist Argic continues unabated attack on everything not even related 
>to what He is babbling about. Well, you all have set the policy and *I* 

In other words, you admit your moral and intellectual turpitude and
surrender in the face of a superior-intellect. Well done. At least
you proved yourself a true clown, if nothing else.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: jewish fundamentalism
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:15:05 EST
Reply-To: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

to: Alan Stein

>>
>>    As stated in HAMAS pamphlet no. 65, distributed in October of
>>    1990,
>>
>>           "Every Jewish settler is an occupier,
>>            and it is our obligation to kill him."
>>

 AS> Can anyone, in his or her wildest dreams, conceive of even
 AS> the most right-wing Israeli making a similar statement about
 AS> Arabs?  It's absurd to even consider the question.

You know, Alan, the more I look at this statement, the funnier it
looks.

Here's Yitzhak Shamir, who was at the time not the member of a
fringe cult but the highest elected official in Israel:

     "If the Arabs of Israel won't come to their senses, reality
     will be harder and laden with impending disaster," Mr.
     Shamir said. "I am not afraid.  A test of strength between
     us and them is like a contest between an elephant and a
     fly." (The New York Times, March 29, 1988, p. A6)

     Mr. Shamir standing atop an ancient West Bank castle, told
     reporters: "Anybody who wants to damage this fortress and
     other fortresses we are establishing will have his head
     smashed against the boulders and walls."

     ".... And we say to them from the heights of this mountain
     and from the perspective of thousands of years of history
     that they are like grasshoppers compared to us." (The New
     York Times, April 1, 1988, p. A3)

After a deranged follower of Meir Kahane killed a young Israeli
girl at Beita, Shamir exclaimed: "The heart of the entire nation
is boiling.... God will avenge her blood."

The "fortresses we are establishing" refers to the settlements of
Gush Emunim and other extremists. Anyone who gets in the way of
Gush Emunim will get his or her head smashed "against the
boulders and walls." The talk about "the heights of this mountain
and from the perspective of thousands of years of history" is
hardcore messianic sentiment (and reminds one rather of Hitler
declaiming about the ancient and mystical German destiny). In the
killing at Beita, Shamir failed to condemn the Kahanists who
provoked and committed the act, but instead ranted that God
(i.e., Israel and Shamir) would avenge the victim's blood.

I ask you, Alan, which statements convey more murderous
fanaticism: the quote from Hamas or the statements by Shamir, the
then Prime Minister of Israel?
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Israeli Nazism?  
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:24:27 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

# All this talk about Nazism as equitable/inequitable to Israel's
# ruthlessness towards Palestinians never mentioned the fact that
# Israel reciprocates in the same manner as the Nazis did during
# their own occupation of Europe.  And that is, for every soldier
# killed, handfuls of civilians were murdered.  

The Nazi quota was: 100 civilians executed for each soldier or
ethnic German killed, 50 for each one wounded.

As to the major characteristic of Nazi terror, mass murder of
civilians with poison gas, it was practiced in the mideast only
by Arabs against other Arabs (Iraq and Egypt).

# Not only this,
# but Israel has improved their methods by expelling hundreds of
# human beings.  

But the Nazis have expelled many millions of people. Where is the
"improvement"?

-Danny Keren.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:50:12 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec31.215513.20925@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
>>Ah, so when do you recognize that Israel's forefathers have
>>committed the biggest CRIME in history?
>
>Precisely what was that crime, Anisa?
 
Are you in for an eye-opening bedtime story, Alan?

Anisa :')

	"Allow us, we'll show the way ..."

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From: michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israel must return the deportees!
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:25:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: michaelp@conway.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Dec31.123434.8105@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, bf3833@pyuxe.uucp (80010-feigenbaum) writes:
> 
> To David Turner:
> 
> I am not an Israeli.  However, if you are ever in the New York metropolitan
> area, and get an urge to punch an Israeli - please look me up.  I would 
> welcome an opportunity to physically defend myself against a self-hating
> Jew.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ben Feigenbaum


Some days ago somebody claimed that tpm is boaring and people never discuss
real solution for the problems.

The above quated posting is the proof of the opposite!!

Here people express their readyness to actually MEAT EACH OTHER and 
finding real solution to the problems...

CHEERS!!

Michael
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The victims of the Azeri Genocide remembered.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:09:20 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1012@rc1.vub.ac.be> eluyten@rc1.vub.ac.be (Eric Luyten) writes:

>Everyone deserves a short break now and then... Maybe the PC was accidentally

Don't look for a calf under a cow. Does this sound real?


A Final Goodbye in Azerbaijan:

[Photo by Associated Press]: "At a cemetery in Agdam, Azerbaijan, family 
members and friends grieved during the burial of victims killed in the 
fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh. Chingiz Iskandarov, right, hugged the 
coffin containing the remains of his brother, one of the victims. A copy 
of Koran lay atop the coffin."
The New York Times, 3/6/92

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast