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From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:22:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <9209141350.AA24671@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>O tanoshimi ni would mean "I'm looking forward to it," not "Have fun," as it
>is short for O tanoshimi-ni shite-imasu.
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 	"O tanoshimi ni" would mean "you should be looking forward to it since
	I don't tell you what it is now :-)"
	"I'm looking forward to it" would be "tanoshimi ni site imasu" but never	be "o tanoshimi ni shite imasu" nor be "o tanoshimi ni."
	"O tanoshimi ni" is, IMHO, short for "o tanoshimi ni shite kudasai" or
	something.  I have never heard of native Japanese speakers saying 
	"o tanoshimi ni shite kudasai."  We usually just say "o tanoshimi ni" 
	in both formal and informal situations.

	Just for reference.
			
						Tetsuya Nishimura
From: 71561.3021@CompuServe.COM (Bear Software)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Using JIS with a Mac
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:54:46 GMT

This message has been forwarded from Compuserve via Bear Software's IAS.
Please reply directly to Walter H. Drew at 70244.2137@compuserve.com.
 
rick@@rahul.net (John D'Elia) wrote on Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:10:09 GMT:
 
 > Hello.  I'm trying to view kanji on my macintosh (over the modem)...  I'm
 > running Kanjitalk 6.0.7 (patched with Gomtalk to make it 7.0.1).  I'm also
 > running Ninjaterm, which seems to have options for using JIS codes.  The
 > problem is that I still don't see the Kanji.  Is there some trick?
 >
 > Kanjitalk runs fine.  I can do word processing, etc with Japanese.  Can
 > someone help me configure my system so I can see JIS Kanji?
 
After total frustration in trying to use NinjaTerm to read incoming Japanese
text, I finally found a solution in a program called MacKc 0.92. My setup seems
similar to yours except that I don't use GOM.
 
Most electronic text in Japanese is transmitted in JIS (also known as NEW JIS
and SHIN JIS) Kanji code. (JIS=Japan Industrial Standard). But KanjiTalk reads
in a different code, called SHIFT JIS.
 
MacKc converts saved text files of Kanji code from/to SHIFT-JIS, JIS, and EUC.
The program automatically recognizes the input code. You merely select the
output code, such as the SHIFT-JIS which KanjiTalk needs. From seeming garbage
you get nice text. MacKc comes with instructions in English and Japanese and
requires KanjiTalk 6.0.x.
 
MacKc is freeware and is available at FTP site ftp.tohoku.ac.jp (130.34.8.9).
It is also available from the GEnie Japan RoundTable library as File 949.
 
 Walter H. Drew
 70244.2137@compuserve.com


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: What about Zura?  (Was something longer)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:04:46 GMT

I had a friend from somewhere in Shizuoka who said `zura' in her dialect
was often shortened to `ra.'  She claimed that shortly after coming to
Tokyo she once started to leave a coffee shop without paying because the
the person she was with said `ikura' and she interpreted it as "Let's go."

I have always believed the story (it would be an odd one to make up), but
I have never found confirmation of the notion that `ikura/ikuzura' could
mean "Let's go" instead of "will probably go."

Isn't there ANYbody reading this newsgroup who grew up in a small town in
Shizuoka-ken (preferably in the '30s to the '50s) who can confirm or deny
this?

Bart Mathias
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: HELLO FROM NEW ZEALAND
From: demo@ualr.edu
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:00:59 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

	I am a Japanese student who study in the U.S.A.  My name is Tomomi and I am 21
I am 21 years old.  I have been in the U.S. for two years. I will be happy to 
hear from people who are interested in Japan. I have to go now.  It is 12:00AM 
and computer lab will be closed in a minute. Whenever I have a time, I will come ba
e back to communicate with you.  Bye-bye!

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: How to make a call in japanese?
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:50:06 GMT

timd@ed.ac.uk (Tim Duncan) writes:

>In article <54500001@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com>, sunyi@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Yi SUN) writes:
>|> Hi folks,
>|> 
>|> Because I may make a call to japan, I need to say some japanese. Actually
>|> I can't say any. Could you help me translate following things?


>I would recommend that you ask in *English*  -- most Japanese can understand 
>at least some English.  Even if you do prepare some phrases in Japanese, the 
>chances are that you will soon find yourself being asked things which you 
>haven't had a chance to prepare :-(  A little bit of knowledge can be a 
>dangerous thing.

>	-- Tim


It has been my experience in calling my fiancee's office , that a simple

NAME-san O onegai shimasu    (Miss/Mr./Mrs. _NAME_ please)

works fine. If you hear a quick stream of Nihongo (*note 1) and are either put 
on hold or the phone has been obviously placed down, then they have gone to 
get your party. If it seems as if they are waiting your response, try:

eigo wakari masu ka.     (Do you speak English?)


...and carry on from there.



Note 1:  It might be appropriate at this point to say "sumimasen", this
could be taken in the following contexts:

A They are getting your party....  "Thank you for your trouble"

B Your party is not there...   "Excuse me"

The "sumimasen" fits the situation because of its dual use as a humble
thanking phrase and of its meaning of asking excuse. Of course once you
arrive at the stage where the stream of Nihongo is meaningfull , then you
will have better and more appropriate responses.


Charlie

P.S. Hopefully the Nihonjin and the others knowledgeable in Nihongo will
elaborate on and correct my suggestions.


-- 
*****************************************************************************
*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@chiechan.mro4.dec.com		    *
*  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: "Michael Gasser" <gasser@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table What about Zura?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 15:11:56 -0500

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>In article <1992Sep5.155953.42810@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>Is _~ dzura_ Gifu and Nagoya-ben?  A Gifu friend of ours uses it often,
>>but I recall a Nagoyan friend of ours using it as well.

>	Do you mean something like "so^ (d)zura" to mean "yes?"
>	Well, I say NO.  I think "(d)zura" is used in some part of Shizuoka.
>	I remember Tonoma in the comic "Dokaben" uses "(d)zura" so often.
>	Can anyone from Shizuoka confirm/correct this?

>	Nagoyan would say "so^ daga ne" or "so^ daga ya."

>>-- 
>>jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>>James Miller
>>
>					Tetsuya Nishimura

No personal knowledge of this, but _Zenkoku Hougen Jiten_ I (Teruo
Hirayama) lists "zura" under Shizuoka-ken (the book is organized by
prefectures even though dialects of course overlap prefectural
boundaries).  There are no examples, but it says the meaning is "no
darou".  This is not to say that "zura" doesn't appear in other
dialects, of course.
-- 
=========================================================================
Michael Gasser				Assistant Professor
Indiana University			Computer Science, Linguistics,
Computer Science Dept., LH215		Cognitive Science
Bloomington, IN 47405 USA
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: sdwyer@AGSM.UCLA.EDU (Steve Dwyer)
Subject: Re:  "Have Fun" in Japanese
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:15:33 GMT

>
> 	For several years I have asked my professors the same question:  How
> do you say "Have fun" or "Enjoy yourself" in Japanese?  Without exception
> each has responded with the same answer:  We can't say that.
>
> 	When I asked why, none could give me a definitive answer but one
> hedged with an explanation that one would be imposing ones will on another
> and that would be impolite.  When I asked what made "o-genki ni" and "o daizi
> ni" different from something like "o-tanosimi ni", the answer was something
> like "because that's the way it is".  I let it go at that.
>

Not too much is private in Japan, but emotions are private.
From: cecouch@athena.mit.edu (Christopher E Couch)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Proficiency Tests
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:22:36 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I've taken Jorden's test and did great.

I've been to Japan twice, and if I'm proficient then Kansai-jin love nattou...

I concur with your hack on Jorden's test.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,soc.culture.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?38
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:54:00 GMT

stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE writes:

>KANJI OF THE DAY # 38

>JIS      = 1895 (serial number)

Hex 352f
kuten = 2115

>   OnYomi: KI
>  Kunyomi: o(kiru)  -  (v.i.) to rise, to get up, (a fire) is kindled,
>                       to awake, to occur
>           o(kosu)  -  (v.t.) to raise, to awaken, to pick up (someone)
>           oko(ru)  -  to happen; to break out, originate in

Nelson also has "ta", but I cannot find a compound using it.

>hayaOKI  -  early rising
>KIgen    -  origin
>KIjuuki  -  crane, derrick
>KIso     -  prosecution, indictment, accusation, litigation
>KIyou    -  appointment, promotion

And from edict:

kanKI	evocation
teiKI	bring suit, file a claim, raise a question
to'KI	protuberance
KIshou	rising
KIten	starting point
KIdou	starting
saiKIdou	re-starting
KIritsu	standing up (vs)
yuKIo	Yukio (pn)
seiKI	Seiki (pn)
yuuKI	Yuuki (pn)

and the Wordtank had the following (which are now in edict 8-)} )

$@5/0F(J [$@$-$"$s(J] /drafting/  		KIan
$@5/0x(J [$@$-$$$s(J] /cause/ 			KIin
$@5/2i(J [$@$-$,(J] /daily life/		KIga
$@5/9)(J [$@$-$3$&(J] /setting to work/		KIkou
$@5/9F(J [$@$-$3$&(J] /drafting/		KIkou
$@5/:D(J [$@$-$5$$(J] /issuing of bonds/	KIsai
$@5/;;(J [$@$-$5$s(J] /starting to count/	KIsan
$@5/@A(J [$@$-$7$g$&(J] /vow/			KIshou
$@5/Ap(J [$@$-$=$&(J] /drafting/		KIsou
$@5/Ap(J [$@$-$P$/(J] /exploding/		KIbaku
$@5/Iz(J [$@$-$U$/(J] /undulation/		KIfuku
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: Jon Wiederspan <jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu>
Subject: New anonymous FTP site
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6DA3188F301CA3F@harajuku.tjp.washington.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:09:44 GMT
Organization: Technical Japanese Program, U of W
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:06:26 GMT

NEW FTP SITE FOR JAPANESE LANGUAGE SOFTWARE

   The University of Washington Technical Japanese Program is now
operating an anonymous ftp server for Japanese software and information
files.  The address is:

      ftp.uwtc.washington.edu       (128.95.202.40)

     We will be using this site to store that latest versions of
freeware, shareware, and demonstration versions of commercial software. 
There will also be information about using Japanese on computers
(including Ken Lunde's famous "JapanInf"), announcements of new products,
descriptions of Japanese language programs around the country, and
anything else that might be useful.

Currently we are featuring the following items:

KANJI OF THE DAY - These files from Kurt Stueber
(stueber@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de) offer one method of daily study of
kanji.  Each file contains a kanji (drawn in ascii-graphics), onyomi,
kunyomi, a mnemonic and/or derivation, common compounds, and computer
code equivalents.  Currently the first 34 files are available, complete
with corrections from previous postings.  New files will be added
periodically as they are updated. [no japanese software required]

BEGINNING JAPANESE - This software from the University of Minnesota
consists of seventeen lessons in grammatical instruction and drill for
students at an elementary level of Japanese Study.  Two of the lessons
are devoted specifically to mastery of the hiragana and katakana writing
systems.  [requires KanjiTalk 6.0.7 or later and HyperCard 2.1 or later]

KEN LUNDE - His latest software is available in /pub/Japanese/KenLunde. 
These are among the most useful utilities available on any platform for
working with Japanese characters.

NEWSAGENT1.24 - A Usenet-news reader for the Macintosh capable of
handling JIS, Shift-JIS, or EUC (7- or 8-bit) codes.  The easiest way to
read the fj.* groups on the Macintosh.  [requires KanjiTalk 6.0.5 or
later]

SHINBUN -- The standard OPEN LOOK based interface to the Usenet news
system that uses the NNTP remote news server for accessing newsgroups and
articles.  Handles JIS, Shift-JIS, or EUC (7- or 8-bit) codes in both
reading and composing.  [requires Japanese fonts, front-end processor,
and multi-byte character capabilities].


    Suggestions for further additions (or problems) should be sent to Jon
Wiederspan <jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu>  or may be submitted directly to
the site in   /incoming.  Direct submissions should include the name and
e-mail address of the uploader in case of questions.
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table What about Zura?
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:59:53 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

> 	How about some Nagoya-ben?

Is _~ dzura_ Gifu and Nagoya-ben?  A Gifu friend of ours uses it often,
but I recall a Nagoyan friend of ours using it as well.

> 	You got it?

Sure.

>				Tetsuya Nishimura
> 
> 
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Life Happens?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Flash!  AAah!  (Nemacs kanji trainer via xjdic)
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Distribution: sci
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:15:49 GMT

I wrote a vocabulary building system in Emacs Lisp for the Nemacs editor
and EGG, based on Jim Breen's excellent xjdic software.

It works like a stack of flash-cards, one card for each dictionary entry.
The card contains a record of how well you can give the English meaning
when shown Kanji or Hiragana, and the reading when shown Kanji or English.
This record, plus your reaction time, determines how far down the stack
Flash will push the card.  If you answer fast and accurately, you won't
see the card for a long time.  If you answer slowly or incorrectly, you
will see the card again soon.

Flash is easy to install.  I can mail the source to anybody who is
interested.  The uuencoded tar file is a little less than one megabyte.


Dave
-----
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David Wuertele, Yasuda Lab, Electronic Engineering, Institute of Industrial Science,
University of Tokyo.				dave@windsor.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: JIS code (Was Re: kanji of the day ?36)
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:10:19 GMT
	<1992Sep4.170808.25202@hamblin.math.byu.edu>
	<HARKCOM.92Sep7074021@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
	<1992Sep8.083658.26740@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU's message of 8 Sep 92 08:36:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.083658.26740@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU
   (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:

 =}Er... the JIS hex code, kuten code, and serial number are all related
 =}through a simple conversion.
 =}
 =} [...]
 =}
 =}The serial number simply enumerates the valid codes in ascending order.
 =}That is, 0x2121 is serial #1, 0x2122 #2, ..., 0x217e #94, 0x2221 #95, etc.
 =}You can check that 0x4671 is indeed serial number #3559.

   But does the JIS standard define the serial number?  I have only seen
the kuten and hex definitions.

 =}To describe it in C:
 =}
 =} [...]

 Thanks for the code...
From: manga@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Canon Wordtank
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:36:00 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan


Max Pinton writes:
>        Could someone please mail me info on the Canon Wordtank? I tried
mailing halford@twics.co.jp with no success. Are they available in the
U.S.? What, exactly, do they do? How big are they? How do the models vary?


Well, I'll post instead.  The Canon Wordtank is an electronic 
dictionary, more like three dictionaries in one.  They are small enough
to fit into a pocket, although the 8500 is a bit larger (requires a loose
pocket :-)

There are three models currently available, the 7100, the 7200, and the 8500.
I don't have the information that specifies the differences between the 
models with me, but the number of compounds and size of memory increase
with the model number.  The 8500 has plug in cards that have varying
functionality, from horoscopes to dictionaries of business phrases.

There are three basic modes you can use it in:  Japanese to English,
Kanji Dictionary, and English to Japanese.  In J->E, you type in the
Japanese word in romaji or kana on the Qwerty keyboard.  If the word ise
in the dictionary, it pops up on screen, along with the kanji and
furigana.  In E->J, the Japanese pops up without furigana (this is
the Wordtanks sole failing, IMHO).

The Kanji dictionary lets you enter by reading, stroke count in radical, or
total stroke count.  You then page through multiple screens of kanji
until you find the one that matches.  A touch of another button then
brings up compounds that begin with that kanji.

Anytime you have a dictionary item up on screen, you can touch a button
and it is entered into the memo function, which works as a flashcard stack.

For instance, when I'm trying to read a text with furigana, whenever
I come across a word I don't know, I type in the furigana and enter
the definition into the memory.  I can then quickly review all the new
compounds I've come across and practise them.

The wordtank is also very useful for smoothing communication.  I carry mine
(an 8500) around almost all the time.  When I need to comunicate a word
I don't know, I just enter it and show the screen to the other person.
Kind of a crutch, but it lets me get things done.  Makes a great
conversation piece as well.

I am willing to send them for the following prices: 7100 $150, 7200 $200,
8500 $300.

There is a US source for them, called Gitco.  They have a 1-800-number
which is 1-800-527-2607.  As of today, their prices were 7100 $199, 7200
$299, 8500 $399.

If you would like to order a wordtank from my company instead, please send
a check to
Manga-chan, 1750 30th St. #314, Boulder CO 80301, USA.

International orders are welcome too, please add $12 for banking fees or
use some payment that doesn't require them at our end, such as an
American Express money order.

There is a chance you may have to pay a customs charge, although this is 
usually not the case with individual orders.  US customs on electronic devices
is less than 10% (I think it is 5.8%).

-bret
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:18:33 GMT

In article <492@ccsparc01.center.osaka-u.ac.jp> a62178a@ccsparc01.center.osaka-u.ac.jp (kikkawa lab) [H. Tamura] writes:
>Hello, I am a native Kansai ben speaker. I have some comments on your 
>table.
>
>>Kansai                  Canto                   English
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>Katta                   Karita                  borrowed
>
>I don't use "Katta" and I have never heard it.

That's interesting, and calls for the rest of the story.  Is the negative
form in Kwansai not `karan/karahen' (the choice depending on locale)?
Do you say `karita' for `karita'?

By the way, mentioning `ikura' on a different thread just now reminded me
of a fairly important item that I don't remember seeing on the original 
list (which of course doesn't mean it wasn't there):

  nanbo                   ikura/donogurai/        how much
                             dorekurai/donnani

Of course, `nanbo' is not strictly Kwansaiben, but current in most of Japan.

Bart Mathias
From: milne@ics.uci.edu (Alastair Milne)
Subject: Japanese language departments
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:21:19 GMT


  Hello.

  I was wondering if any of the users of sci.lang.japan
  are teachers of the Japanese language, or work in Japanese
  or East Asian language departments at the college or university
  level.

  Our Center is supervising the creation of 2 sets of 10 interactive
  learning modules to improve the student's hearing and understanding
  abilities with spoken Japanese, aimed mainly at the 2nd and 3rd year
  Japanese language student.  Each module is centred around live video
  on laserdisc, either from Japanese TV or created for the project.
  They run on IBM PS/2's with laserdisc players, using (at present)
  IBM's M-Motion multimedia card.

  However, we have received inquiries about other multimedia cards
  (such as the VideoBlaster or Super Video Windows, or ActionMedia II)
  so we'd really like to know with what such cards people would like
  teaching material like this to run.

  (Particularly, if your department prefers clones to IBM's, I'd
  like to know what multimedia cards, if any, you use with them.
  The restriction to PS/2's, at present, is only due to the M-Motion
  card.)

  I would appreciate hearing from anybody with something to say
  about this.  The more the merrier!

  Also, if there is a more appropriate newsgroup for this,
  I would appreciate hearing of that too.


  Thanks very much!

  Alastair Milne,
  Programming manager,
  Educational Technology Center,
  U. Calif. Irvine

  Internet: milne@ics.uci.edu
  BITNet: AMILNE@UCI
From: jp1ek@SUNC.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (E Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Yukara Japanese word processor
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:28:13 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

>How or where can I get DOS/V, can I FTP it?

since dos/v is a commercial product, you would not normally expect to
find it available via ftp.  if you did, someone would be facing ibm
lawyers soon or later.

you can buy dos/v from ibm dealers in japan and possibly in the us.  in
the uk you can buy it from several companies, but you will pay twice
the japanese price.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan