HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: st. cole porter
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:02:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.074829.16604@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <Bszq1F.9DK@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:

>>For Rodgers and Hart, I highly recommend Frederica von Stade's *My
>>Funny Valentine*; von Stade sings the songs absolutely straight,
>>to the original orchestrations, no operatic mannerisms. (Thanks to Jon
>>Conrad for turning me on to this one.)

>If there's any sound more unnerving than fingernails on a
>blackboard, it's an opera singer trying to sing popular
>favorites.

Have you *heard* Von Stade's recording, Steve?  She's not "trying" to
sing popular music; she's succeeding.  Just as Eileen Farrell and Dorothy
Kirsten did, all in their very different ways.  If you find the latter
two ladies unacceptable, then I guess we have nothing to talk about.
(Von Stade is, however, horrid on her CBS "Another Side of Flicka"
album, where she's trying to be something she's not; the "My Funny
Valentine" CD is in another class altogether.)

Let's remember that the musicals of the 20s-40s were, by and large,
written for cultivated singers -- I don't mean "classical," but they're
closer to it on the continuum than the pop singers of today or recent
times are.  (Yes, even Ethel Merman, if you listen to her earliest
recordings.)  They sang in strict rhythm and didn't mess around with the
tune.  Of COURSE Ella and Sarah and Lee Wiley and all the others are
wonderful too.  But there's definitely room for Von Stade's way.  (And
don't let miserable experiences with Dame Kiwi et al ruin one's
receptiveness to the things a sufficiently versatile classical singer
can offer.)

Jon Alan Conrad
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: sweaty sex
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: not for everyone
Organization: various and shifting
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:03:16 GMT

in article <1992Aug21.155646.13311@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com
(greg parkinson) writes:

 >When I was first coming out, I *tried* having sex
 >in a sauna, but I came close to passing out.

yes, it's not for everyone.  as it happens, i have low blood pressure
and a slow heart beat, so things like drinking ten cups of coffee
and having sex in saunas are not especially problematic for me
(though i guess i wouldn't try these two *together*.)

arnold

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:00:56 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

 >There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
 >actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).

This creature is about as disgusting as I've seen.  

Did someone comment that Donald's comments were misogynistic?  
Sheesh.

If this creep is family, I'm not.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: st. cole porter
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:07:30 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <Bt53Fq.Dt@news.udel.edu>,
conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.074829.16604@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >If there's any sound more unnerving than fingernails on a blackboard,
> >it's an opera singer trying to sing popular favorites.
> ...
> (And don't let miserable experiences with Dame Kiwi [sic] et al
> ruin one's receptiveness to the things a sufficiently versatile
> classical singer can offer.)

I just want to make it clear that Dame Kiri is *NOT* *MY* *FAULT*.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"poot, (Scot.) v.i. to shoot at young partridges or young grouse."
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:54:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug20.225424.7432
Organization: insert anything here

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

> >There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
> >actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).

>This creature is about as disgusting as I've seen.  
>Did someone comment that Donald's comments were misogynistic?  

	Lots.

>Sheesh.
>If this creep is family, I'm not.

	Rest assured, on the family-o-meter, you are definitely "family".
We're still trying to find a species-independent version for B.S.

BBC
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: be kind to small furry animals
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:43:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug18.204348.24999
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug18.175441.17948@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Nelson, my dear, I really am shocked at this whole messcapade ... but
>Gawd, it sounds *FUNNY*.  I am sorry.

I was for awhile. I was really upset - the idea that the entire
administrative arm of my college thought I was an evil gerbil stuffing
monster sort of upset me. (this post looked *really* bad out of
context).

Now I think it's funny. Other people do, too - it makes a good story
to tell.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 Shame is playback: exposure to disapproval
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:47:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.172347.3647@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>The ultimate question is:  what do you want to accomplish?  Do you want
>your short little hour on stage to strut like a drag queen, or do you want 
>to make progress towards gay acceptance?

No, it isn't.  But still, Claytoon, how terribly novel of
you to take up residence in the body of some silly northwest
faggot and then post articles as him.  Exorcism, anyone?
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: "Survey" Poster
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: crossposting again
Organization: anticrosposters 'r' us
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:46:38 GMT

whoever originated this thread, and spawned other threads from it, the
thing is now about 10% of our traffic.  this afternoon i started
sending the following message to the crossposters:

-----

although i have been 'k'ing away threads on soc.motss that are crossposted
to any except obviously relevant other groups, like soc.bi and ba.motss,
i have noticed this posting of yours thoughtfully sent to N different
groups.  there is nothing anyone could have to say on any topic that
would be genuinely relevant to N different groups.  please do
not clog up groups other than the one where your discussion best
belongs.  please edit your Newsgroups and Followup-To lines.

arnold

-----

the most common instantiation of N is 9, today at least.

one crossposter immediately replied in mail to say that his posting
was the most informative of the lot and had the most to say to all
seven [in his case] of the groups.  he was undoubtedly not pleased to
hear me say that i had not of course *read* any of the postings (i
haven't the slightest idea what any of them is about), because that
would be silly.

arnold (*not* gearing up for guerilla warfare again)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:14:13 GMT

klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:

>In article <BtAH8D.BL3@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>Does anyone have handy the *exact* wording of the proposed amendment to
>>the constitution of Colorado?

>And for Oregon?  I don't have it, and there have been several postings and
>e-mail messages asking about my "OR:9 Supporter Sighting" thread.  (Sorry
>for not being more clear in my post; it's been such a common topic on the
>net and in conversation that I forget that there are people who don't know
>anything about it.)  Nelson, Michael, anyone else?  Thanks!
Well, I just posted the one for Oregon. I don't have a copy of the 
Colorado one, however. Could someone email that to me to put in the QRD, too?

-- 
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From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arsenio
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:30:03 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <1992Aug12.134527.24307@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.):
>> Did anybody else see it?
>
>sort of.  i fast-forwarded through magic johnson, heading
>straight for kd.
>
>i enjoyed her interview.  she came across so boyish,
>innocent but determined to cut her own path, a bit
>embarressed to be in the spotlight but having fun.  it
>looked pretty clear to me that arsenio was nervous asking
>about her sexuality -- he's such a wiesel.


Damn, I wish I had seen that. 

I saw his show two days in a row. One show, he interviewed a British
model who is a woman and who was born male. He kept obsessing about
the idea of removing a penis. The model was unconcerned abt. the change
and welcomed it. Hall kept squirming and freaking about it and was
clearly uncomfortable with the notion of such an operation.

The next day, he jokingly said that he was a model with a sex-change
or something like that.

It was definitely tacky and stupid. I was disappointed.

I tried to watch Jay Leno one night and started to doze off after 10
seconds.

Back to M*A*S*H reruns.

ER
--
	>elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
	>>Robin's Egg Blue      69-er                           69-ee
	>It's quite a trick, working out the difference between the two.
	>(Is this like "let's do 70:  you do me and I'll owe you one"?)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Maurey Povich on Thurs (RE: Adoption and we're no good)
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:47:35 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones) wrote:
>The Maurey Povich show with the Lesbian from Florida who wanted to be
>a foster mother for HIV kids,

She is now a foster mother...

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: a queer card from the state of ohio
Summary: can't *hit* 'em??
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:42:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug21.004238.4450
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.

in article <BtB3sD.Gs8@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (mike drayton) writes:

 >Back around 1973, I was working in a factory in Grinnell, Iowa, with a
 >guy who had lived for a short time in Los Angeles.  He told me that,
 >"Out there, queering's legal.  They got these little yellow cards, and
 >if they show you that card, you can't hit 'em."  That's all I heard,
 >and I'm wondering, was there an actual "queer card"?

if you believe everything you hear when people are jes' shittin' at
work (or worse, at play), you will have a very difficult life.

"you can't *hit* 'em"??  notice the presupposition that without the
card queer-bashing's just fine.  (well, *of course*, mike noticed
that presupposition.  that's partly why he posted.)

re-framing mike's question: was there a gay organization - gaa? - in
l.a. in 1973 with members so in-your-face they carried membership
cards?  (of any color - who knows why someone might pick out the
color yellow?)  and, oooh, flaunted them?

i am trying to remember whether i ever had a *membership card* in the
columbus gaa back then.  zero on the recollection scale, but it would
certainly not have been out of character.  (my stonewall union card
these days has an elegant but rather cryptic lambda on it.  now that
my driver's license says "queer queer queer" on it quite clearly, i'm
finding the stylized lambda awfully tame, even *secretive*.  yes, yes,
you are saying, how *quickly* they become politicized.)

while we're on the subject, just what would a true Queer Card [there!
you see!  i admit i've never even laid eyes on one!] confer upon or
require from its bearer?  not the right to affection, love, and sex
with others of the same sex, should you want these - such rights we
claim for everyone in the world.  what sets apart those people we
would like to accord the positive and approving label "Queer" (or
"Gay" or whatever) to?

arnold (still anxious on this subject)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: "Survey" Poster
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:10:04 GMT

There has been some speculation and Chris and Susan Colvin were pseudonyms.
I just signed on to my Compuserve account and checked the membership 
directory.  They really do exist, well Chris does. That Compuserve number is
registered to Christopher D. Colvin of San Jose, California.  For what it 
was worth, I sent them a polite message explaining that their posting here 
was not welcome except for the incidental merriment various posters derived
in coming up with clever answers.  

Emily
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:56:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.175602.299
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug21.204418.14210@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>What I'm referring to is your response a while
>back to Sim's posting about his mother.  I'm not
>talking about the points you were trying to make,
>I'm talking about the fact that you didn't seem
>to think that you were being overly harsh - 
>not the consensus opinion by any means.

OF COURSE I was being overly harsh.  That in fact (along with the other
points I was making) was a point in itself.  I was reflecting back the very
same harshness which characterized Sim's posting on this topic.  (And, no,
I don't want to start this up again.  I won't say another word.)

>It's like, I have some wonderful friends
>whose idea of fashion is a bit off - so when 
>they make comments about my clothes I take what
>I know about them into account.

Gad, ANOTHER insult. :-)

>Please.  I spent the weekend with a doctor friend
>and his friends.  It's common in their vocabulary,
>and I'm pretty sure it doesn't come from psychobabble.
>More likely the meaning brings up images of festering
>wounds.  Is "toxic" a newAge word?  

"Toxic parents"?

>That may be true, and I may be having a huge fit of optimism and naivete.

It looks good on you.  John-Boy's rubbing off. :-)

>Perhaps I'm a bit testy because of Rob's death - it's
>a little too close to home right now.  

Yes.  This is an ur-text which has been left unsaid all during this past week.
It deserves a separate note all its own.

>Perhaps I'm disappointed that someone would commemorate 
>Rob's death by being nasty to someone else looking for 
>help in dealing with it.  That's a new feeling for me
>here, and I don't care for it.

I'd agree with you, if that's how Arne's comment had struck me.
Thanks for the explanation.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Arsenio
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:26:16 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.134527.24307@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>[Arsenio Hall]
>he's such a wiesel.

*Some* spellings *must* be corrected:

Wiesel (wee-zell' or vee-zell') is a great humanitarian
first-named Eli.  The fierce furry beast is a weasel
(wee'-zel).

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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:20:06 GMT
 <joelp.714173518@cs.man.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Maine System

sorry, if you eat "chicken and fish and stuff" you are NOT a
vegetarian!  vegetarians do not eat meat.  period.

                                        -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:42:34 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.201315.23020@infonode.ingr.com> 
>norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> >[...]And I *really* don't know how the "fucking factions" that 
>> >we apparently have too many of within ourselves has anything to 
>> >do with my response.  [...]
>>
>> *HEY*!  Can I apply for a position in the "fucking faction"?
>
>Absolutely.  The interview and audition can be *murder*, though,
>so you might want to think about signing up for one of my
>refresher courses.

Hon (I drawl in my *sweeeetest* Southern accent), I can assure you that
I am "refreshed" at least daily.

>> >I'm only a pretender to that throne.  
>
>But Net Queen has such a *faaaaabulous* ring to it, don't you think?
>

May I kiss the ring?

>> >                                       But as soon as I've finished
>> >counting all the ballots, I believe I'll be able to claim the title
>> >that is mine by right: Motss Grand Faggot.
>>
>> Got my vote!

>I didn't make any campaign promises to you, did I?  (Suddenly worried.)

WHAT???!!!  You don't *REMEMBER*??? (Indignant)

>> jeff  - who appreciates the fact that this thread is lightening up a little
>>       (but with the same great taste as your regular post.  Thanks Arne).

>Thank *you*.  You know, I've thought of initiating ArneLite, 
>but I just don't *taste* the same.  I'm *very* happy to know
>you like the original formula.

However, with the Lite formula, one can comsume more before one passes out
from Too_Much_Of_A_Good_Thing (tm).

>ArneClassic (tm)

jeff - who's feelin kinda woozie~~~
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:45:30 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy

In article <1992Aug12.071020.7284@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>
>>In article <1358@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>>>jojo writes:
>>>>I think everyone should serve in the army for a year unless they are
>>>>a concientious objector in which case they are forced to fill
>>>>potholes in Boston roads for a few months.
>>>Sounds OK to me.
>>
>Oh?  How would it sound if it included women in equal participation with men?

Err, why wouldn't that sound just fine?

--John
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR:9 CO:2)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:54:45 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>In article <1992Aug16.154331.3346@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>
>>	Could the proposed anti-gay laws in CO and OR be construed
>>to outlaw gay bars?

>Yes.  Bars, baths, hotels, restaurants.  If it requires a license from the
>state and can be shown to cater to homosexuals, then a license can be
>withdrawn (remember who awards health certificates).

>One of the concerns here is that, like a bartender who must refuse to serve
>someone whom he believes to be intoxicated, establishements will be required
>to refuse service to 'known' or suspected homosexuals.

Exactly. These initiatives are INCREDIBLY scary. It is still amazing to me how
many people have NOT heard about them. The Sunday NYT had a front page story
on the Oregon situation [complete with picture of Lon Mabon] and mentioned that
there was a similar drive going on in Coorado. The last sentence of the 
article mentions that if they are successful in Oregon and Colorado OCA and TVC
and CFV intend to spread out to the rest of the country. 

This should be enough to get people mobilised for sure! But smehow it doesn't
seem to.

I DID read in QW that the Arnolds [Roseanne and Tom] are doing a TV ad against
one of the initiatives, since they used to live in the state. The ad was
written by Bill Cosby and to be directed by {*hiss*} Gus Van Sant.



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From: gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1342a )
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Rob Bernardo remembered
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:52:05 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I miss Rob already - his sense of humor, 
his concern, his intelligence.

He was always willing to help someone in need
(unasked, even) and pulled ten times his weight.

He cared about others, and he took time to show it.

Seeya Later, Rob.  We love you.

--
Chuck LeDuc		gt1342a@prism.gatech.edu	celd@salestech.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: the rescuers, oops
Keywords: rescue, waterfall
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:21:34 GMT

In article <joelp.713749733@cs.man.ac.uk>, joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>  >Trey deserves his own special distinction.  But since I haven't yet responded
>   ^^^^
>  >to any of his posts (having just made it back to soc.motss land), I'm not sure
>  >what title is appropriate.
> 
>  Apologies to Todd.  I'm not sure what came over me.

   Actually, I was wondering who Trey was (other than our newly found
essayist in North Carolina :-) Todd will no doubt be glad to hear
that you are home and, assumedly, away from waterfalls. Since he
doesn't yet have access to the net, I doubt that he will be responding
soon. 
-- 

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