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From:         I program in BASIC <TBEAUDOIN@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      sociology of arch. in early america

        Can anyone direct me to some sociological studies of early American
architecture (revolutionary period to late 19th century)?
Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Please respond directly
via e-mail.

Thomas Beaudoin

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Subject:      Happy Holiday

Greetings History List-
It's Christmas. The only day of the year in which my mailbox has no new letters.
Have a merry holiday!
Lance
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:32:40 -0600
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Annual call for your old calenders ...
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          jwales@iubvm.bitnet, olsenj@stolaf.edu, kousen@rayleigh.res.utc.com,
          klur@maristb.bitnet, srdjan%cathy@kri.fer.yu, writers@ndsuvm1.bitnet,
          literary@ucf1vm.bitnet, mideur-l@ubvm.bitnet, History@ubvm.bitnet,
          CMILNE@MAX.PHYSICS.SUNYSB.EDU

Dear Listreaders,

As some of you undoubtably know, every year I've been on the nets
(sine 1989), I have put out a request for your old calenders; odd,
new, novelty, art, in different languages, photo, whatevver, send
them along to -

Valentine Smith, 5324 Virginia, Kansas City, Missouri, USA 64110-2663

Any I get will be gratefully appreciated, include your e-mail address
and I'll be sure to send you a thank you note. With regards, VMS
From: DLALLY@STLAWU.BITNET (Dale Lally)
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Subject: Re: Does knowing history make any difference in policy?
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:42:32 GMT
Organization: St. Lawrence University
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              21 Dec 1992 10:51:02 +0100 from
              <iikfe01@MAILSERV.ZDV.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE>

Obviously, as a professor of History, Pres Wilson was, IMHO, woefully
aware of the disadvantages of US isolationism.  However, I am not yet
willing to agree that his 14 points and the Versailles treaty were the
prime reasonsfor the rise of Hitler and WW II.

In my view, one of the biggest mistakes the Allies made was in letting
the German army retreat in good order and, in their view, undefeated from
the field.  As we all know, this gave rise to the "Dolchstosslegende" or
"stab in the back" theory which the Nazi's used to good advantage later.

Had the Allies forced the military situation and inflicted a complete defeat
in the field on the German army, this important psychological weapon would
not have been available to Hitler or ANY OTHER similarly inclined future
German leader.

IMHO, this is the reason why the WW II allies decided on a total defeat and
unconditional surrender of both Germany and Japan.   They wanted to make it
perfectly clear to both nations, for all time (or 40 years, whichever comes
first) that the use of war and genocide to further national interests will
be met with a very very painful response.


Cordially

Dale V Lally Jr, Director
Carnegie Language Center
St. Lawrence University
Canton NY 13617
(315) 379 5857 VOICE
(315) 379 5989 FAX
DLALLY@STLAWU.BITNET
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From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "Squeeze"-- to reserve the calligraphy's beauty
              29 Dec 1992 13:27:49 -0800 from <u8042002@MIS.NSYSU.EDU.TW>

Welcome to the list, and thank you for sharing your knowledge.
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From:         "James G. Carrier" <jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Help: Scot. Enlight.
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30 December, 1992

Dear Folks,

     I need some help with information on the social background of the
Scottish Enlightenment.
     Smith, Ferguson and the rest criticized an older system in which
economic and personal relationships overlapped, and advocated the separation
of these two sorts of relationship. The older system that they criticized is
one associated with the Scottish Highlands and the loose clan and patronage
structure that existed there.
     My question is this. Is there an accessible reading that analyses the
extent to which their arguments were shaped by their response to Jacobean
risings in the 18th C, which drew substantial support from the Highlands
region. The sort of shaping I mean can range from the overt (the desire on
the part of Scottish Enlightenment writers to attack Jacobeans by criticizing
their social and moral order) to the more subtle (the support and audience
that those writers could get from people who were opposed to the return of
Prince Charles).
     Any leads gratefully accepted.

          Yours,

          James G. Carrier

29, University Circle / Charlottesville, Virginia, 22903
(804) 971-2983 / jgc5p@virginia.edu
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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Position papers
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:46:03 GMT


The Christmas Eve edition of the Financial Times has just worked its way
through the Japanese and SIngaporean postal systems. In it there is  an
article on Mr Les Aspin the new Secretary of Defence. This says 
	". . .Mr Aspin and his staff [on House armed services committee] -
sometimes joined by his republican colleagues - have in the past year
alone produced reports on post-cold war US force structure, the lessons of
the Gulf War. . . and when to use force in conflicts such as those in
Bosnia and Somalia. . ."

Please excuse my ignorance of the US political machinery, and provide
answers to the following questions:
1, Does the remark "sometimes joined by his Republican colleagues" imply
what it seems to - viz, that on other occasions Republican members of the
committe issued  their own minority reports/ responses to Aspin & co.

2. Are these reports and counter reports part of the public record? Ie can
non members of congress obtain copies?

3. How long are they likely to be? If available, how expensive?

Happy New Year

Richard Pennell, History NUS
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Subject:      "Squeeze"-- to reserve the calligraphy's beauty
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Comments: cc: u8042002@dec.mis.nsysu.edu.tw

Greeting, everyone :
     Happy New Year!
     I am a student of NSYSU (National Sun Yat-Sen University, in Taiwan.)
I don't know how much people are interested in Chinese history and culture.
But, the history of China is really a long river, many interesting parts
included.
     "Calligraphy" is the special one in Chinese culture. It is not only
the writing way in China for thousands years (writing brush, inkcake, paper,
and inkstone are the tools), but also the "art" maintained to today.
There are many styles of Calligraphy, and each one owns its different beauty.
      How can we reserve the calligraphy from a stele ? That's ---"Squeeze"
(means to replicate the epigraph onto paper, but not to destroy the stele).
Following are main steps :
      1. Clean the stele and wash it.
      2. Paste a piece of paper by thin starch and a piece by water on
         the stele.
      3. knock paper into groove (without bubbles in the papers).
      4. when the papers are subarid, tear down one piece of paper.
      5. pat ink onto paper (on the stele) carefully.
      6. tear down the replica and the replica is finished !
interesting, isn't it? Ancient people did this to reserve the epigraph, so
we could appreciate and learn them, even to understand the history then.
      That's all. Hope you will like my introduction!

      p.s. If you come here (Taiwan), please go to visit the "National
Palace Museum", it is the most valuable place you should go !
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From:         Ed Haupt <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Position papers
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The American party system is quite unlike any sort of parliamentary system
known in Europe.  Party discipline is crashingly non-existent.

As a defense maven, Aspin has to represent the more conservative American
democrats.  Normally, the quite conservative Republican members of this
committee (a minority of the committee, since Republicans are a minority
in the House of Representatives) would simply back Bush.  Since there
are enormous budget pressures on the Congress, the president's ideas
often seem extravagant, and so when Aspin proposes measures which are
economically rational, the Republican members may follow what they deem
to be both economically and imperialistically prudent and vote with Aspin
and the majority party.

American politics is extremely confusing.  The documents should be findably
through your local American Embassy.  They may even have them in their
library.  At any rate, they should be reasonable if not free from an office
in washington called the Superintendent of Documents (the office publishes
them).

Good luck figuring out America.  So far you seem to read straight.

Edward J. Haupt
snail:                                    voice: 1(201) 893-4327
Department of Psychology               internet: haupt@pilot.njin.net
Montclair State College                  bitnet: haupt@njin
1 Normal Ave.
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043-1624
                      USA
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:48:41 EST
From:         Ed Haupt <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Lowry speaking on electronic texts
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I heard Lowry speak.  I found her comments mainly directed to two paradigms
for making text materials available.  Her program at Columbia focussed mainly
on getting everything available and then trying to find the hardware support
necessary for the very heterogeneous materials.  Sounded like a good approach
for a research library.

The alternative model is to try to fit everything to a standard format, say
SGML and make the materials widely available on a campus, as with Michigan
and now Virginia.  This, like Kemeny's use of BASIC, seems good for under-
graduate instruction.

My own questions had to do with the availability of encyclopedias.  One
person there mentioned that there is an Italian encyclopedia available
electronically.  Ehrlich also had a number of disks of electronic texts
available from NEACH.
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Subject: Re: Academic Job Prospects in History: Trends
From: hisjcm@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:41:22 EST

In article <199212302314.AA22566@rac1.wam.umd.edu>, Donald Robert Shaffer <dshaffer@WAM.UMD.EDU> writes:
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> I had the opportunity yesterday of attending a most fascinating
> session at the annual conference of the American Historical
> Association (AHA) in Washington D.C.  
> Donald Shaffer
> Ph.D. History Student
> University of Maryland, College Park
> dshaffer@wam.umd.edu

Donald, you performed a real service for all of us subscribers by providing
your excellent summary of the AHA session on job prospects.  Many thanks! 
Jack.
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From:         Donald Robert Shaffer <dshaffer@WAM.UMD.EDU>
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set history repro
set history nomail
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: Does knowing history make any difference in policy?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:57:33 GMT

My recollection is also that Senator Daniel Monyhan (sp) of New York as a Phd 
in history.  My question, which arose from reading Reich's book (he is not a 
Phd historian, but says a range of history books were very important to his 
understanding of affairs), remains: is there any specific policy decision that 
was made differently because of the policy maker's knowledge of history--not 
the myths of history, but a substantive knowledge? (I do not mean an example of
Dean Rusk who learned the "lessons" of Munich and applied those "lessons" to 
waging war in Vietnam.)

Expressed another way: is it important that historians play a role in advising 
policy makers?
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:26:57 GMT
From:         George Welling <welling@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      vrolijk kerstfeest

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     George M. Welling - dep.Alfa-Informatica HCI - University of Groningen
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From: in11rwma@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Martin Alt)
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Subject: Searching two villages from last century
Followup-To: poster
Date: 22 Dec 1992 07:55:47 GMT
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Keywords: east prussia, genealogical research


Hi there,

I am not really sure whether I have hit the right newsgroup
 for my problem, but ...

I am doing currently a little bit of genealogical research.
A short question to the experienced people.

I am looking for two villages in east prussia.
There were called `Wasserlauken' and `Berschkallen' in the 19th century(1850).

Continuing the research, I haved to know 

 .  What is the name of these two town now ?
 .  Where are there located ?

Does anybody know something or has access to some informations ?

Best Regards,
Martin


P.S. Some hints say that they are located near `Tilsit' at the river `Memel'.

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Subject:      nomail

history at Psuvm.bitnet:

set history@psuvm.bitnet nomail

Thanks, Tom
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Hi, Chris :
    My E-mail address is u8042002@mis.nsysu.edu.tw.
    thanks for your re-mail.
                                 Becky.
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:20:00 EST
From:         YONI@BROWNCOG.BITNET
Subject:      History Lists

Could someone please send me a list of all the various history lists.
Also, if you could tell me which seem to generate the most activity, that
would be helpful.
Have a good new year.
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:30:00 EST
From:         "Glenn R. Greene" <U953117@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Somalia Was Re: The Spanish/American War

I'll throw in a comment.
    First, I'm not sure that the killed Somali's, be they the ones killed
by the French Foreign Legion or the US troops, were killed by mistaken
identity.  One group ran a road block, (Remember Lebenon? trust me the
French and the US do.) another man with a jeep mounted 50 Caliber machine
gun stupidly pointed at some armed Americans.
    Second, I would classify any hostage situation rectified by the use
of deadly force, a humanitarian mission.
                                             Glenn Greene
                                             and my two cents
------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> I fully expected that the forces would eventually have to kill, and indeed
> some Somalis have been killed already (mistaken identity).
>      Any comments on other historical examples of deadly force being used
> for humanitarian ends?
>
> Robert George
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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: "Squeeze"-- to reserve the calligraphy's beauty
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 03:57:02 EST

In article <9212292127.AA08592@mis.nsysu.edu.tw> u8042002 <u8042002@MIS.NSYSU.EDU.TW> writes:
>Greeting, everyone :
>     Happy New Year!
That's kung tze fat tsai to you.

I've been to the national Museum. Fascinating place.
I lived in Taiwain in 1977-9 and would like to go back.

Tell me, do you have a regular mail address? The first time I posted, 
the mail didn't get through.

Chris

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From:         RICHARD JENSEN <CAMPBELLD@APSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Position papers

House Armed Services Committee issues many reports, all in
public domain & sent to (US) depository libraries.
--can be purchased from US Gov't Printing Office
--your Documents librarian should have a guide
Richard Jensen, campbelld@apsu
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: Does knowing history make any difference in policy?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:29:04 GMT

Surely there are persons other than Wilson who had a solid knowledge of history
and who became policy makers.  I am wondering who is not a U.S. citizen, such 
as Churchill, and are specific policies traceable to particular knowledge of 
history.
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
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              22 Dec 1992 11:26:57 GMT from <welling@FREYA.LET.R UG.NL>

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:26:57 GMT George Welling said:
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>
Very good George, but it lacks a few ornaments, which I have added from my
store (-:
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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Does knowing history make any difference in policy?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:38:49 EST

In article <9212210951.AA04598@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> Walter Felscher <iikfe01@MAILSERV.ZDV.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE> writes:
>While President Wilson's ideas were no doubt noble and, apparently,
>influenced by his knowledge as a historian, their realization was
>anything but successful. The USA did not join the league of nations,
>and the Paris peace treaties of 1919 resulted in a mockery if the
>good intentions of Wilson's 14 points. They actually set the stage
>for Hitler and WWII.  [read "of" instead of "if" above]
>
>Walter Felscher, Tuebingen

True, to some extent, but we should not confuse intent or policies with the
course of events. My point was merely that he TRIED to do something more 
original in foreign policy than his predecessors (the old carry-a-big-stick-
and-walk-softly hegemony approach to world affairs). 

There is some debate over whether Versailles led to Hitler, as commonly 
believed, or rather the abandonment of the treaty by the US and Britain 
after 1924's London Conference led to Hitler. Consider the thesis of 
Stephen Schuker's _The End of French Predominance in Europe_. One of the
main points is that France was sold out by her allies, slowly at first,
then wholesale after 1924. After 1924 Versailles was a dead letter and
politically unenforceable. Had the Allies stuck to the terms, Germany
would certainly have played a much more cautious hand in world affairs
in the 1930's.

Chris

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:03:43 CST
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Does knowing history make any difference in policy?
Comments: To: HISTORY@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu

        Both Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson were presidents of the
American Historical Association. Harry Truman, in his memoirs, said that
his regular reading of history was very important in his ability to make
public policy decisions. Both George McGovern and Henry Kissinger have
Ph.D.s in history.
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