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From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: IMO BEST INDIAN XI  (1970 - 90)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:57:15 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA


      IMO BEST INDIAN XI  (1970 - 1990)
      ---------------------------------

Here's an Indian team selected on the basis of individual performances
between 1970 and 1990. All IMHO of course!

     1.  S. M. Gavaskar
     2.  Farookh Engineer (wk)
     3.  M. Amarnath
     4.  G. R. Vishwanath  (vice-capt)
     5.  D. B. Vengsarkar
     6.  M. A. K. Pataudi  (capt)
     7.  Kapil Dev         
     8.  Eknath Solkar
     9.  E. A. S. Prasanna
     10. B. S. Bedi
     11. B. S. Chandrasekhar

     12th man: M. Azharuddin
    
NOTES

 * (1), (4), (7), (10), and (11) pretty much picked themselves.

 * I chose Farookh Engineer as the keeper because he also fits
   in as Gavaskar's partner. Two birds with one stone! 
   
 * I chose M. Amarnath over Dilip Sardesai, because he is IMO a gutsier
   player. He can also open the bowling with Kapil Dev before the
   spinners come along.  
   
 * I chose D. B. Vengsarkar over Sanjay Manjrekar and Sachin Tendulkar 
   because of the era considered (1970-90). And a man who played almost
   twenty years for the country, scored 6,500 odd runs, certainly
   deserves his dues.

 * I chose M.A.K. Pataudi over Azharuddin and Shastri, mainly
   because I consider him the shrewdest captain India has ever
   had. And he is not a bad batsman either!  I couldn't make Gavaskar
   or Kapil Dev or Bedi the captain without antagonizing the other.
   Pataudi is one player who'd command respect from every other 
   member of the team.
   
 * I chose Eknath Solkar just to make the spinners happy. As you can
   probably tell, they are pretty much the backbone of this team.

 * Prasanna over Venkataraghavan was the toughest choice I had
   to make. IMO, there was just that little extra craftiness
   that he had that Venkat didn't. I also considered Karsan Ghavri,
   but chose to stay with this deadly spin trio.

 * Why did I choose Vishwanath over Gavaskar and Kapil Dev to be
   the vice-premier? Simple, this would cause less politics and
   bickering and more cricket!
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From: shiv@rs.com (Shiv)
Subject: Re: INDIAN TEAM to SA/ZIMBABWE
Reply-To: shiv@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:33:57 GMT

I can't believe Maninder has been dropped. He has been in top form this season,
and I see no reason why he should be dropped. This team has five medium-pacers,
and certainly one of them (Chetan or Bannerji) could have paved way for Maninder.
Raju has been just average, and is not as attacking a bowler as Maninder.


In article 1@tesla.njit.edu, kka8934@tesla.njit.edu () writes:
>
>The Indian team to tour SA/ZIM was declared late last night(10/01,IST).
>According to BBC, the following is the composition of the 16 member team
>led by Md. Azharuddin:
>
>
>Ravi Shastri (V.C.)
>WV Raman
>Ajay Jadeja
>Md. Azharuddin (Capt.)
>Sanjay Manjrekar
>Sachin Tendulkar
>Praveen Amre
>Kiran More(W/K)
>Vijay Yadav
>Kapil Deo
>J Srinath
>Manoj Prabhakar
>Chetan Sharma
>Subroto Banerjee
>Anil Kumble
>Venkatpathy Raju
>
>
>Those who do not find a place from the team that last toured Aus are
>Srikanth, Sidhu, Kambli and S.Ganguly.
>Vijay Yadav, I believe, is the other W/K; am not very sure.
>
>GOOD LUCK to the Indian team....



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From: vnesiah@aludra.usc.edu (Deep Third Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Indian enthusiasm in sports
Date: 29 Sep 1992 09:21:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1a4u26INN2k7@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sanjeev@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <Bv7tJM.HwM@beach.csulb.edu>, pujara@grover.cecs.csulb.edu (Dipen Pujara) writes:
...deleted...,

>
>Here in NZ a country of bearly 3.3 million people, they got more than 10 ....,
			 ^^^^^^
An over-abundance of body hair perhaps?  Or is it the funny walk? ;->

>Sanjeev Dandekar

Vasee :-]>
From: sma@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: No more spinners?
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:25:19 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Troy Crawford writes:
> 
> 	There have always been great batsmen, from Grace, Bradman, Sobers,
> Pollock to Richards and now Crow, there have been fast bowlers too, in 
> Spofforth, Larwood, Lillee and now the likes of Waqar and Wasim seem to 
> have taken over the torch, but what about the humble spinner?  The Tiger 
> has passed, along with the sub-continent marvels of Bedi, Prassana and
> Chandra (I don't dare try), but now that Qadir has hung up his whites, 
> what legacy has been left, and are all the spinners all gone?

What about the early 1920's, or between 1933 and WWII?  Where were the great
quicks then?  Sure, there have often been great quicks, but in the past there
have been gaps when there were really no great fast bowlers around.  We are
presently going through a similar patch with our spinners.  Relax and wait a
few years and a young spinner will in all probability emerge and take the world
by storm.
BTW: I wouldn't mention Patel either.
From: desikan@bucknell.edu (sridhar desikan GR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: cost of a cricket ball
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:48:10 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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I would like to know the cost of a cricket ball ( in $ or pounds).

Wouldnt it be nice if the spectators can have the ball they catch. ( I do expect
a serious discussion how it would affect the game, age of the ball etc.  ;-) )

flames welcome. I can direct some to  'crystal ball' Zakir Abdi  ;-)

sridhar
desikan@pleiades.bucknell.edu
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From: fdm0886@zeus.tamu.edu (Faraaz)
Subject: Re: All Rounders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.081251.18672@tamsun.tamu.edu>, svb0224@zeus.tamu.edu (BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY V) writes...
> 
>        A lot of discussion has benn going on the net regarding the four great
>all rounders of the modern era, their relative rankings and rating etc. Though
>it's tough to say who's the best or rank them, hrer are my rankings of these
>great players. I am considering batting, bowling, fielding, captaincy, fitness
>and temperament in my rankings. I'll rate them on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 as 
>the highest point and 1 the lowest. Finally, I'll add up the scores of each 
>player and divide by 6, the number of disciplines considered. So, here it goes:
> 

.........

>So my final rankings are :
> 
>1) Imran Khan
>   Kapil Dev.
> 
>3)Richard Hadlee
> 
>4)Ian Botham.
> 
>Discussions and flames welcome.
> 
>Sridhar.
>     
> 


How many great fielders from the past do you remember, Players whose feilding 
was so astounding they could make the team yet be poor batsmen or bowlers? I'd
think none.
	I accept that fielding is an issue, but not equivalent to batting and 
bowling. I would say the  same about temprament, even though this may be more 
important than  fielding. In Tennis for example, John McEnroe would in such a 
case be disqualified from the all-time greats. Not bloody likely!
	The weighting of all categories must be equivalent to their 
importance. 

...Faraaz.
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From: d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN)
Subject: Maninder Exclusion .... flames in Indian newspapers?
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:08:00 GMT

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From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Re: Test 11 to SA and ODI 11 too (Looooong !)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:34:57 GMT


In article <karnik.718309658@exa>, karnik@exa.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

|> In <1992Oct5.150937.27161@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:


|> 	Has Raman given up bowling altogether ? Does he bowl at all in the 
|> Ranji games ? He certainly hasn't done anything of note as a bowler, but I
|> don't know if he's given up bowling altogther.


He very rarely bowls in Ranjis. He more or less gave up bowling. Sunil
Subramanium (left-arm), Aashish Kapoor (off) and M. Venkataramana (off)
are the main spinners of TN.

He bowled on the tour of NZ, but he started becoming more of a batsman on the
tour of Eng. He bowled very few overs in the tour matches on that tour. Since
then, he cut down on bowling in the domestics as well.

(Incidentally, Raman batted very well in the tour matches then. But, whenever
it looked like Raman was set to clinch a berth in the test XI, Sidhu came up
with a good knock in the tour matches and made sure he wouldn't be sacked. But,
as everyone knows, Sidhu was an utter flop on that tour. Wonder what Raman would
be doing if he was given a chnace on that tour - he was in a great form!)


|> >  Choosing between Kumble and Raju, for the one-dayers, is also a tough 
|> >decision.
|> 
|> 	I suppose Kumble would make it, on the basis of his recent form and
|> his past performance in ODIs. Also, he's said to be a decent batsman (at Ranji
|> level of course :-)


However (I'm not saying this should weigh heavily), Kumble, when he played
last, was a bad fielder. In fact, that was the reason cited by the chairman of
the selection committe when they dropped Kumble for the Aussie tour after his
4-wicket haul at Sharjah (and some other very economical spells). However, Raju
is not a better fielder either! (OTOH, Maninder is an extremely good fielder.)


|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


PVR
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Test 11 to SA and ODI 11 too (was Re: Indian Team Selected)
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:24:44 GMT

KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu writes:
>     The team was announced today. It has five seamers: Kapil,Prabhakar,
>Srinath, Bannerji and Chetan Sharma and two spinners. Yadav is More's
>understudy. Siddu is omitted and so is Srikkanth
>The team:

Actually 3 spinners (counting Shastri).  Even so just 7 batsmen..
Raman, Shastri, Jadeja, Azhar, Tendulkar, Manjrekar, Amre seems too
few...  I wish they had gone with 17 and taken Kambli as well.  
Lets break it down for the Tests (I personally don't care overly about
ODI's but will talk about that at the end briefly).

Openers: Shastri should (and will) open; Its between Jadeja and Raman
for the 2nd slot.  Probably go with Raman for the Tests unless Jadeja
is sensational in the early games.

1. Shastri
2. Raman

The middle order looks set.  Manjrekar will play, at lezst for the
first 2 Tests.  I suggest moving him to number 5 and letting Azhar
come in one down.  Lets see.

4. Tendulkar
3,5 Azhar, Manjrekar

6. Amre/Jadeja:  It is brutal on poor Kambli, but dropping Amre would
		be unfair as well.  It would have been so much better
		to take both to Australia and let the Colonel go
		(brutal as that sounds)... BUt, of course the
		selectors would then promptly pick Vengy for the World
		Cup:-) 

Wicket Keeper: More

Opening  Bowlers Kapil, Prabhakar

3rd Pacer: Chetan/Srinath

Spinner Kumble (or possibly Raju, but I hope not).

Total waste of a spot: Bannerji;

SO *my* eleven (unless someone flops miserably or is superb) for the
Tests;

Shastri
Raman
Azhar
Tendulkar
manjrekar
Amre
Kapil
More
Prabhakar
Chetan/Srinath
Kambli

For the ODI's here are some radical suggestions.  Drop Manjrekar
altogether!  Play Shastri, but only down the order!

Openers:

Raman, Jadeja
Azhar, Tendulkar, Amre,
Shastri

Now, the *BIG* problem is that there is no one to pressure Manjrekar
for a spot, as it will be hard to replace him even if he flops.  Also,
I think Manjrekar should be dropped for ODI's and there is no way to
do that as you would like to play all of the above plus Manjrekar with
Shastri coming in at number 7.. so sigh Manjrekar will probably be in
over one of the above people and Shastri will open...

More
Kapil
Prabhakar
Kambli
Srinath/Chetan/Bannerji

Yadav won't get a look in barring injury to More, but thats OK, as
this is purely to gain some valuable experience.

Bharat
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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Indian team for SA
Reply-To: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:43:39 GMT

After every selection of the Indian team there is a trend among the netters
to blame the selectors even if they do a good job.
I think that this time the selectors did a pretty decent job.
Let's discuss the main criticisms on the net:

(1) The dropping of Maninder: I agree that he has performed quite well
in the domestic scene. But who would have been dropped in his place ?
Raju performed quite well in Australia (in fact much better than Maninder did
in his opening tests). So, he certainly deserves more chances.
Dropping Kumble after his Irani Trophy performance would be a joke. Moreover, 
he adds variety to the attack.

(2) Chetan Sharma: If people say that Maninder has performed well in the
domestics, then so has Chetan. He is only 26 and I think, like Prabhakar,
he has matured with age (Prabhakar also came good after a lot of chances).
People only remember his ball to Miandad. What about his performance in England
in '86 and his hat-trick in the World Cup? Moreover, we need a slogger for 1
days and he fits that slot. Who can forget his 100 vs England?

(3) W.V.Raman: Since he's a left hander he'll add variety to the lineup.
I think he has not failed much in the limited chances that he has got.
His debut test and performance in Nz were great. Anyway, who was a better   
choice as an opener?  Siddhu may be a better choice for 1 days but not for 
tests. Anyway, he has been given more chances than Raman.

(4) Ajay Jadeja: The boy deserves another chance after his gusty performance 
in the World Cup.

(5) Bannerjee: I agree that the side is a batsman too short. So I'd have 
preferred a batsman - Kambli of course. We need a stroke maker at #6 for
1 days and Kambli would have been most suitable. I think both Amre and
Manjrekar are not that suited for 1 days.
But this is the only mistake as far as I am concerned (Perhaps the selectors
are making up for the Aussie tour - where they had 1 batsman too many :-) )

I am delighted by the selection of Chetan (ok, I like him a lot - he's a born
fighter) and Vijay Yadav (this well push More to perform better).

- Sougata

PS> Haryana has 4 players like Bombay. They are really now a power house
of Indian cricket (thanks to Kapil).


==============================================================================	
  Sougata Mukherjea (sougata@cc.gatech.edu)
  Graphics Visualization and Usability Center
  College of Computing
  Georgia Institute of Technology 
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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Worst English XI sice 1970
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:12:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92273.131217SXK129
 <1992Sep29.140215.10238@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Sep29.140215.10238@athena.mit.edu>, paulc@atoll.mit.edu (Paul
Cloke) says:
>
>> 6. Vic Marks (Somerset)
>>
>> One of the most innocuous spin bowlers ever to play for England, often
>> suffered from a stiff neck from turning round sharply to follow the flight
>> of the ball as it went over his head and into the crowd for six!
>
>What about Eddie Hemmings, or even John Emburey(in his last few tests he
>took something like 3 wickets for about 500 runs), they must also be some
>of the least effective spin-bowlers at test level England has had in recent
>years.
>
>
absolutely. emburey played 50+ tests for about 120 wickets. an embarassing
strike rate for a man who was supposed to be the front line english spinner
of the 80's. i used to get tired of hearing all the praise emburey got from
the english commentators whenever he managed to pick up 5-6 wickets in an
innings- which were few and far between. he never was that good. he was
competent as far as keeping the run-rate down was concerned, but i really
couldn't see him as a strike bowler.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH - Azhar captain
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:55:50 GMT

In article <20814@plains.NoDak.edu>, ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu writes:


|>          Azharuddin has been retained as the captain of the Indian touring team
|> to SA and Zimbabwe. The announcement came in a press conference today addressed
|> by Vishwanath the chairman of the selection board. The captain of the team to
                                                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> play England will be selected later. Azhar is given the notice, effectively.
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Doesn't sound nice. IMHO, this is somewhat unfair to the poor Azhar. He has been
under pressure for a long enough time (even in the last season, they selected
the captain for the world cup after the series with Oz. There was a lot of drama
and Azhar was constantly under pressure).

Personally, being a greta fan of of Kaps, I would've loved to see the
by-now-much-more-mature-and-has-learnt-his-lessons Kapil to lead India and
prove his detractors wrong. But, it was a tough decision with a lot of factors
on each side. Probably, this is going to do good to Kaps in terms of maximizing
his career test wicket tally (I'm sure his goal is much above 432 - he said it
wouldn't be very tough to get 500. Don't be surprised if he does it. IMHO 450 is
for sure. Likely to end up at around 475). Also, retaining Azza may help him
retain his batting form. If Azza gets out of form, that can be disastrous to
India's chances.

The main reason given by Azhar's supporters is that removing captains frequently
will make them feel insecure and it is bad. But what have they done now?

If I was a selector and I decided to retain Azza, I would've given him sometime.
After all, if you tell him, "this choice is only for this tour, we'll select the
captain for the rest of the season later", what help will it do to his
confidence? It'll definitely put him under a lot of pressure (esp because of the
open comments against him by his team mates). They should've, if they wanted to
give Azza more chnaces, given him a long enough time. An _overseas_ tour is
surely not a long enough time ....

Anyway, here's wishing Azza good luck!
Hope he comes good, for the good of Indian cricket ...


|> K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu


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From: dhanda@skorpio.usask.ca (Sanjay Dhanda)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:43:30 GMT

In article <geoffb.718006174@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, geoffb@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (G Berry) writes:
|> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
|> 
|> >Here is my ALL World team of 80's
|> >1.Gavaskar
|> >2.Greenidge
|> >3.Richards
|> >4.Miandad
|> >5.Gower
|> >6.M.Crowe
|> >7.Kapil Dev
|> >8.Imran Khan
|> >9.Dujon
|> >10.Hadlee
|> >11.Qadir
|> 
|> My team is:
|> 
|> Gavaskar, Greenidge, Richards, Chappell, Miandad, Border, Imran, Marsh,
|> Hadlee, Marshall, Lillee. 
|> 
|> Rationale:
|> 
|> Chappell and Border clearly achieved more than Gower and Crowe, though
|> admittedly Gower is better to watch than Border, he is not deserving of
|> a place in this team based on his achievements.
|> 
|> The records of Marshall and Lillee are far superior to Kapil and Qadir, and
|> after all the 80's were the years of the pace bowlers so why pick a spinner?
|> 
|> I'd argue that Marsh, Bari, Kirmani and Smith were all better keepers than
|> Dujon. Knott was better than all of these but did he play in the 80's? 
|> -- 
|> Michael Fahey         | Internet: mikef@pub.health.su.oz.au
|> Dept of Public Health | UUCP: uunet!munnari.oz.au!pub.health.su!mikef
|> University of Sydney  | Bitnet: mikef%pub.health.su.oz.au@cunyvm.bitnet
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 Couldn't agree more with you. Since a world X1 already has specialist batsmen
and specialist pace bowlers, I agree that there is no justification to include
Kapil. Kapil may be a good allrounder but he has never been a bowler of the
calibre of Lillee or Marshall. Neither has he been a consistent batsman. 

Sanjay
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Maninder's exclusion: Why all this fuss?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:30:37 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.171800.24535@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:
>
>Sad, Maninder was'nt chosen. But, where Maninder allowed the opponents to pile 
>600 odd runs and could pick up only 3 wickets, that engineer from Karnataka 
>came up with a deadly performance. A flash in the pan, may be (sorry PVR).

Precisely! Don't you think that's reason enough to drop him from the team?

I just can't understand all this fuss about a mediocre bowler. You have
to give Maninder a bunsen burner of a track and have him bowl continuously
from one end, for him to be able to take anything more than 3 wickets.
IMO, Maninder is a very average bowler, probably in the same class
as Rakesh Shukla, Narendra Hirwani, etc. 
-- 
--
Ravi N. Raj                                   ravi@wti.com
                                              Lakers - Knicks '93
From: rxk23@po.CWRU.Edu (Rohit Kashyap)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:45:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rxk23@po.CWRU.Edu (Rohit Kashyap)
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In a previous article, u9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan) says:

>5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>>Here is my ALL World team of 80's
>>----------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>1.Gavaskar
>>2.Greenidge
>>3.Richards
>>4.Miandad
>>5.Gower
>>6.M.Crowe
>>7.Kapil Dev
>>8.Imran Khan
>>9.Dujon
>>10.Hadlee
>>11.Qadir


A good selection but considering the allrounders in this team I would
drop the sixth batsmen that is crowe and pick Marshall instead, another
change would be Border for Gower.
>
>>If it had been 70's there would have been a surfeit of great
>>keepers. Like,KNott, Taylor,Marsh,Kirmani,Bari and Deryck Murray.
>
>
>
>hmm A superb team. but lacking a bowler. Id drop M crow and include either
>M marshal or maninder depending on the wicket being.
>
>
>
>>Bye,
>
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>
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