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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X11R5-based vt100 emulator needed
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:00:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:57:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug13.180014.29202@cas.org>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <4442@news.duke.edu> ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) writes:
:in order to use a local database, we have to be able to emulate
:a vt100, complete with function keys. we'd like to use something
:like xvttool, or tooltool, but xvttool is written for xview and
:tooltool is written for sunview, and we don't run openwindows.
:I have tried running a binary version of xvttool that was compiled
:elsewhere, but it's not quite right under pure X11R5.
:
:does anyone know of an R5 vt100 emulator?
:
:(an alternative solution would be to remap the keyboard, but we'd
:only want to do that for the one window that's using the database.
:it seems that xmodmap remaps the server, so that's not suitable.)
:

One doesn't normally use xmodmap to change the function keys for an
xterm, they use an xterm resource.  For instance, if you were going to
access an oracle application, you might have something like:

xterm -name vt100 -e my.sqlforms.30.program

and then, in the resources, have something like this:


vt100*VT100.Translations: #override \
    <Key>R5:            keymap(None) \n\
    <Key>KP_Enter:      string(0x1B) string("OM") \n\
    <Key>R1:            string(0x1B) string("OP") \n\
    <Key>R2:            string(0x1B) string("OQ") \n\
    <Key>R3:            string(0x1B) string("OR") \n\
    <Key>Num_Lock:      string(0x1B) string("OS") \n\
    <Key>KP_Add:        string(0x1B) string("Ol") \n\
    <Key>KP_Subtract:   string(0x1B) string("Om") \n\
    <Key>KP_Decimal:    string(0x1B) string("On") \n\
    <Key>Insert:        string(0x1B) string("Op") \n\
    <Key>R13:           string(0x1B) string("Oq") \n\
    <Key>Down:          string(0x1B) string("Or") \n\
    <Key>R15:           string(0x1B) string("Os") \n\
    <Key>Left:          string(0x1B) string("Ot") \n\
    <Key>R11:           string(0x1B) string("Ou") \n\
    <Key>Right:         string(0x1B) string("Ov") \n\
    <Key>R7:            string(0x1B) string("Ow") \n\
    <Key>Up:            string(0x1B) string("Ox") \n\
    <Key>R9:            string(0x1B) string("Oy") \n\
    <Key>F9:            string(0x1B) string("OA") \n\
    <Key>F10:           string(0x1B) string("OB") \n\
    <Key>F28:           string(0x7F) \n\
    <Key>SunXK_F37:        string(0x1B) string("OC") \n\
    <Key>SunXK_F36:        string(0x1B) string("OD")

Now, when when your sqlforms window starts up, you get vt100 function keys,
but your other xterm windows remain unchanged.
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From: david@twg.com (David Herron)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:23:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

Date: 20 Aug 92 18:21:15 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug20.181915.2357@twg.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors


GUI's are (potentially anyway) a vast improvement over CLI driven software.
It requires less cognitive space/effort for a user to navigate through the
options in a window'd interface than it does to navigate a CLI'd (or even
CURSES) driven interface.  This is because there is constantly a representation
on the screen of the current status, while in the CLI model (and to a lesser
extent the CURSES model) the user must be able to visualize a lot of things.

To a computer expert (I've been programming for 19.5 years now) this 
visualization is second nature.  In order to design/write/debug software
we must be able to visualize computer processes.  Most people do not have
that sort of background and thus have a hard time with it.

This may be the source of the comments that

	Unix is user hostile
or	Unix is hard to use/learn
or	I shouldn't have to be a programmer just to format my text
or	&c...

A lot of your comments are good.  Not all the world, after all, is a GUI 
screen.  Some of is VT100's (or worse) and other parts are shell scripts
running at 3AM from cron.




"It has been noted that GUIs make simple things simple, and complex ones
impossible."

This need not be true ... there's a design principle called "80/20" which
may be the cause of this result, though.

"Being needlessly forced to click the mouse over a menu will
slow down the expert user who is more comfortable with a keyboard
interface."

This is also not (always) true.  In TOG's book on user interfaces he
claims they (Apple) studied this and found that users on keyboard driven
interfaces were generally slower than ones on mouse driven ones.

In any case ... with a keyboard interface the user generally must
remember all the options, and getting them wrong means retyping.
Say you are writing an e-mail user interface..  how do you select
recipients to a message which is being composed?  With a window'd
interface the program could include an address book where the user
keeps names & addresses of people s/he communicates with.  The computer
remembers the spelling of everything, reducing errors from transcription
etc etc.  Fewer errors means it is more likely the job will be done
right the first time, meaning fewer times when a message will have
to be re-addressed and re-sent.

With a CLI (curses) interfact, there generally is not enough bandwidth
between application & screen & user to present the address book as
a scrolled list.  So usually the user must type things by hand, etc,
leading towards more errors, and so on.


<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
<-
<- "ISO is really just another politically correct one-world fantasy
<-  of the U.N." -- Gordon McLachlan (LAN Computing, Aug 1992, p. 37)
From: goodsenj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (John Goodsen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Changing the cursor in the entire application
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:13:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: EVB Software Engineering

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:34:50 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug20.043450.18057@sei.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

We`re building an application and need to change the cursor
to be a custom cursor throughout every screen in the system.
Right now we explicitly do an XDefineCursor() on every screen
and dialog window.  This is a real pain and successtible to
erros if we forget to do it to new windows.

My question is, is there a way to set the cursor for an entire
application with a single call?

thanks in advance

john
goodsenj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu
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From: kahana@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jason Adam Kahana)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Macintosh X server
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:58:58 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:09:03 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug13.150903.29499@ils.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Can someone suggest a product for the Macintosh which works as an 
X-windows SERVER and can run Motif.  Any info would be much appreciated.


Jason Kahana

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From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: How to write a pixmap to a file?
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:51:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 16 Aug 92 21:01:53 GMT
Message-Id: <20623@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi,

I need to store color pixmaps to files. Do I have to convert the
pixmaps to images? How to do that?

Is there any public domain source code to save a image to a file in a
widely-used format?

Thanks in advance.

________________________________________________________________
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-2759                   Tucson, AZ 85721
From: mwette@jpl-gnc-gw.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: wanted: widget lib's for real-time computing
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:08:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:45:37 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug12.184537.11033@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


I'm looking for commercial or free widget libraries for putting
together GUI's for real time data aquisition and control experiments.
I only know of Dataviews.  Do any others exist?

I don't care much about fancy gauges and such.  I just want some good
stripcharts, X-Y plots, histograms, sliders, etc.

I'll be using VxWorks and Suns. 

There is a app' called "Stethoscope" sold by Wind Rivers, but this is
an application and not a library => no room for a customized GUI.

Matt Wette
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From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Where is Zok (West Coast X11 UUCP archives)
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:16:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: AT&T

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:46:57 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug20.124657.6472@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug19.183258.28780@pagine.com> adyer@pagine.com (Andrew Dyer) writes:
> I have been trying to connect to zok for several days to retrieve
> some sources, but the UUCP logs show that the other side is not answering.
> Could someone in the know please tell me what happened??
> (busy, hung or dead :-)?)
> 
> Failing that - can someone tell me where to get the latest XTEST
> distribution - uunet has a directory for it, but it's empty. We do not
> have ftp, and I've never been able to get a response from the decwrl
> ftp-by-mail thing, so plain old UUCP or e-mail would be preferred.
> Thanks!!!
> 
> -- 
> And when the wombat comes, he will find me gone...
> 
> adyer@pagine.uucp - adyer@pagine.com - {backbone!}uunet!pagine!adyer
> 


I spoke with Mark Snitily (of SGCS, where zok is located) earlier this
week, and he told me that he lost a disk and has taken the modems off hook
until he gets it back up.


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From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Need unobscurable window that moves obscuring windows
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:12:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Human Communication Research Center

Date: 17 Aug 92 17:41:56 GMT
Message-Id: <RJC.92Aug17184156@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug14.134333.26827@linus.mitre.org>, Craig Prall (cp) writes:

cp> I need to have a security classification banner at the top of my X
cp> display. Antisocial or not, it is a requirement that this window
cp> not be obscurable by other windows.

paper, glue, felt tip pen...

Anyone who has ever tried to raise a window over a post-it note stuck
on the screen knows how effective it is.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk	Tried to copy select from an emacs buffer onto
			an envelope on my deask last week.
From: scowen@wfpc3.nosubdomain.nodomain (Paul A. Scowen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Wcl makefile problem in contrib
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:08:09 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Arizona State University

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:32:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug14.023200.18690@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

I was wondering if the author of Wcl (Mr. Smith I believe) would kindly make
available a patch to the Imakefile for his Wcl library.  In the contrib
distribution form, the xmkmf command produces Makefiles that crap out with
the error:

	"Make: Must be a separator on rules line 324.  Stop."

I need this to build aXe under R5 (is the author of aXe reading this?) and
it appears that none of the versions of the Wcl library code on export 
actually build ok.  Thanks in advance.

NB. Configuration is a DS5000/25, Ultrix 4.2a, R5pl16.

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From: rmurphy@tymnet.com (Ron Murphy)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help! SunOS 4.1.2/Xmu linking problem
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:56:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: BT Tymnet Inc.; San Jose, CA

Date: 14 Aug 92 21:40:55 GMT
Message-Id: <2312@tymix.Tymnet.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Greetings X window Xperts,

I have just installed Sun OS 4.1.2/OpenWindows 3 on my system.  A problem now
arises in linking one of my programs using X11R4 (pure MIT) libraries.  (The
same thing happens whether I use the ones I got myself from MIT or the ones
with OW 3.)  This problem occurs when linking the shared library versions.

Since I use facilities in libXExt.a, the symbol references
_get_wmShellWidgetClass and _get_applicationShellWidgetClass occur,
but they never get resolved!

The library resolving these symbols is libXmu.sa.4.0 on my system, as
you can see:

fusco% nm /usr/lib/X11/libXmu.sa.4.0

sharedlib.o:
         U _applicationShellWidgetClass
00000000 T _get_applicationShellWidgetClass
0000000c T _get_wmShellWidgetClass
         U _wmShellWidgetClass

I gave the linker every chance to load libXmu, by specifying 

-lXaw -lXt -lXmu -lX11 -lXext -lXmu -lm -lg -lc -lXmu

Can't be too careful!

I used cc -v to determine the linker command that was issued, and then I 
executed this command with -M to figure out what the linker was doing.  Here
is a summary of the interesting stuff:

...(lots of my modules and libraries)

/usr/lib/X11/libXaw.so.4.0
/usr/lib/X11/libXt.so.4.1
/usr/lib/X11/libXt.sa.4.1
        sharedlib.o
/usr/lib/X11/libXmu.so.4.0
/usr/lib/X11/libXmu.sa.4.0
/usr/lib/X11/libX11.so.4.3
/usr/lib/X11/libX11.sa.4.3
/usr/lib/X11/libXext.a
        XShape.o
        extutil.o
/usr/lib/X11/libXmu.so.4.0
/usr/lib/X11/libXmu.sa.4.0

...(math and C libraries)

/lib/libdl.so.1.0
/usr/lib/X11/libXmu.so.4.0
/usr/lib/X11/libXmu.sa.4.0
ld: Undefined symbol
   _get_wmShellWidgetClass
   _get_applicationShellWidgetClass

So, on every pass, libXmu.sa.4.0 was ignored!  Is this a known bug, and how
would I get a patch for it?  Or am I missing something?

If you post an answer, please also reply by e-mail.  I don't normally read this
group since there's so much stuff on it.

Cheers,

Ron Murphy
BT North America Inc.
From: jisyoon@sorak.kaist.ac.kr (Jinsoo Yoon)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Wanted: public domain X Record (like Record in Windows) program
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:36:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: KAIST in Seoul Korea

Date: 17 Aug 92 17:27:42 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug17.172742.16619@kum.kaist.ac.kr>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I'd like to know whether there is X a record program, which records keyboard
and mouse events, and plays back the saved events later.
Please post or send the information to me.

Thanks,

Jinsoo Yoon --
From: raney@teal.csn.org (Scott Raney)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Implementing XNextEvent timeout
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:37:51 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:03:34 GMT
Message-Id: <raney.713761414@teal>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

andrewc@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Andrew Congdon) writes:

>Sorry if this is an FAQ but..
>Has anyone had any experience of implementing a timeout in Xlib?  I'm
>trying to interrupt XNextEvent with an alarm but it resumes read(2)
>after the handler is executed.

>How does Xt implement timeouts?

UTSL!

Xt uses the select() system call.  This call has a parameter for the
maximum time to wait before returning (you also pass it the X server
connection, which the Xlib macro ConnectionNumber(Display) returns).
Use it with the gettimeofday() call to measure short intervals.  Not
quite real-time UNIX, but it works pretty well.  You can get reliable
returns down to about 20ms on a lightly loaded machine.

>Thanks in advance.

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From: spg@nereid.sunquest.com (Steve Gibbons)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Start up X-window through 9600 modem
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:07:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems, Instrument Interfacing

Date: 18 Aug 92 03:10:00 GMT
Message-Id: <17AUG199220100006@nereid.sunquest.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.windows.x

In article <BOB.92Aug17144826@volitans.MorningStar.Com>, bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) writes...
#X requires a TCP/IP connection, which means you'll need to run PPP or
#SLIP between the UNIX system and your PC.  Free and commercially-
#supported implementations of both protocols are available for most
#UNIX systems - ask on comp.protocols.ppp for pointers, or write to
#marketing@morningstar.com for info on our product.  I've heard that
#there are some nice X-over-SLIP (and maybe X-over-PPP) packages for
#DOS PCs, but I can't give you any recommendations since I'm not a DOS
#kinda guy.
# 
#Alternatively, there may be an X-over-XRemote implementation for PCs,
#which would talk to a similar driver on a UNIX system.  This wouldn't
#require (nor offer the advantages of) a real TCP/IP connection between
#the PC and the UNIX system.

Change that to "X requires a transport layer," and I'll buy it.  I'm currently
running X applications locally and over a 9600BPS Modem line using DDCMP 
(Yes, DECnet.)

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From: tracy@bluenote.b23b.ingr.com (Robert Tracy)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Wanted - digital clock
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:03:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: DAZIX, An Intergraph Company

Date: 6 Aug 92 19:58:38 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug6.195838.24721@b11.b11.ingr.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <AA24575.9208051150.Euston@uk.ac.city>, da188@city.ac.UK writes:
|> >] Subject: Re: Wanted - digital clock
|> >
|> >] "xclock -digital" ?
|> >
|> >Oh, don't be silly.  There are all these fancy dial clocks available;
|> >why would someone be asking for a way to display the output of the
|> >"date" command in a tiny text window?  I presume the requestor was asking
|> >for a digital clock with a real number display that "looks" like a
|> >digital clock.

Well, I wrote a digital clock which uses the server's SHAPE extension.
It's based on xclock, so it uses all of the toolkit options.  If you
want a copy, let me know.


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From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: which et4000 vga card
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:50:58 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Guido's home 486 box

Date: 18 Aug 92 20:39:17 GMT
Message-Id: <3736@wzv.win.tue.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.windows.x

I want to run X at home. I can choose between 2 vga cards: a Tseng Labs
et4000, and an orchid pro designer II. Which one is better, and why?

-Guido
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From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Receiving "DestroyNotify" for a window itself?
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:05:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 18 Aug 92 07:34:27 GMT
Message-Id: <20691@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi,

If my program only creates a single top-level window, and wants to
receive "DestroyNotify" event for the window itself, how to do that?

I checked with a book I have:
	X Window System, The Complete Reference to Xlib, X Protocol,
	ICCCM, XLFD, 3rd ed. R. W. Scheifler, J. Gettys; Digital Press

It says, that "To receive DestroyNotify events, set the
StructureNotifyMask bit in the event-mask attribute of the window..."
In my program, I did that in XSelectInput; but when I used twm (SunOS
4.1.1 with X11R5) to kill that window, the program didn't receive any
DestroyNotify event, although the X server did generated one (I found
one using "xev").

How to solve the problem of "getting DestroyNotify for a window itself
-- not any child of it"?

Thanks in advance.
________________________________________________________________
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-2759                   Tucson, AZ 85721
From: meir@tfs.com (Meir Zaid)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Communication between Motif apps using properties
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:14:27 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:17:53 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug19.011753.18485@tfs.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


I posted a question a while ago about communication between Motif
applications, and most people seemed to think that the best and
simplest way to communicate messages from one application to another
is to use Atoms and properties.  There are some good examples in Young's
X Window System book.

My problem now is that the applications sending the messages to the
messages handler are not X/Motif applications so they don't have widgets
or windows, or XtMainLoop.  Now, the messages handler app only seems to
get the PropertyNotify event when the sending application has a XtMainLoop.
I tried creating a simple invisible window on the sending app but this
doesn't help.  There is no communication is there is no XtMainLoop in the
sending application.

Any ideas how to communicate the property change without a MainLoop?
-- 

Meir Zaid			meir@tfs.com
TRW Financial Systems		(510) 704-3362
Berkeley,  California		Fax: (510) 845-7311
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: PRIVATE MESSAGE FOR HARRY MANDELL
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:01:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
From: GOULD@decus.com.au (Telstar Systems)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Subscribe Me
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:36:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:50 AEST
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Please subscribe me to the X windows mailing list.

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22 Winterton Rd        |  Fax    +(61 3) 544 8574
Clayton VIC Australia  |  Email   GOULD@decus.com.au