From: schuck@beaufort.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:49:38 GMT

jac54@cas.org >
Mitchell S Todd >>>
Bruce Schuck >> & >>>>


>>>>So. They train teenagers to fly fighter planes.
>>
>>>      Since when? Last I checked, you have to be a college grad
>>>      to fly one.
>>
>>Did you check 1959/1960?

>	Did you?  

My reply made it clear that there was no age limit for 100's of deadly
MOS's and whether or not there was noe for fighter pilots was
irrelevant. You decided to edit it out. 



>>
>>>      Anyway, how did these tenneagers do in 'Nam?
>>
>>Not very well at all.

>	Depends how you measure it.  Those kids fought well, a lot of them
>	were killed because nobody could decide what they were being sent
>	over there for.

Again...an irrelevant point. Oswald was certainly old enough to be
sent on missions he might not come back from. The military didn't
hesitate to send teenage Marines into combat, so why should they
hesitate in sending a 20/21 year old Marine who may have volunteered.

>>
>>>>If you have any evidence that the CIA or other US agencies wait until
>>>>people are over 21 to send them off to die please post it.

>	Why don't you go and check the ARCO book on the CIA entrance
>	exam? 

Who said Oswald couldn't have passed the entrance exam?

Besides, I said he may have worked for the ONI.

>>Why specialized information? Spies come in all types. Some specialize,
>>some don't. His mission may have been very simple. It's goal could
>>have been to learn how the KGB/GRU handle military defectors. Such
>>information would be of great value for future infiltrators.

>	Interesting, the Soviets decided to have as little to do
>	with him as possible.

So....his mission didn't work out. It happens.

>	What do you think the CIA have been doing for the past 40
>	years?

Botching assassinations of Fidel Castro?

>>>      How can you be a spy when the MVD/KGB, sure that you are a spy,
>>>      is keeping close tabs on you?
>>

>>Gee you are dense! How did all those KGB men operate in the West when
>>everyone knew who they were. The answer is pretty damn well!
>>The same goes for intelligence officers operating out of embassies
>>behind what was the Iron Curtain. Just because its hard doesn't mean
>>you don't try!

>	No you're the thick one.  The KGB/GRU agents start off with
>	diplomatic immunity and a lot of technical and manpower support.

If you had read anything at all about West Germany you would know that
the Stasi had infiltrated thousands of agents into the West. Most of
them had *no* diplomatic immunity.


>>
>>I can think of 100's of things he could find out just by being in the
>>USSR. Are the people dissatisfied? Who would be good to contact?
>>Do they eat well? What would be a good bribe? What's the state of
>>their electronics industry etc etc. He could even marry the daughter
>>of someone high up in the party and listen to gossip!

>	A lot of this can be done by agents with diplomatic cover wandering
>	the streets.

All of it? Then why bother with any other spies. Get off it.

>  The chances of a defector being allowed close to
>>       anybody or anything important in a nation as paranoid as the USSR
>	was extremely remote.


Marina's family had important party connections.

Oswald got pretty close to her don't you think?

Close enough to father several children!
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