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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Live sequence performance (was re: ...well, alsorts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:56:31 GMT

carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Carl Brewer) writes:
>>|> et al in a stadium situation. They have to rely heavily on sequencers and
>>|> backing tapes. Pure is just the place for these bands. I mean the audience
>>
>>Erummm, bzzzzzzzzzzt!
>>
>>Try Carter USM.  Sequenced, big tourers, large stadium players (Glastonbury,
>>Big Day Out). They do fine.

Carter isn't techno either, are they? There are stadium synth bands, notably
DM and NO and Erasure but IMHO these bands rely on crowd fanaticism rather
than an awesome (objectively) show. I say this as my opinion of what is a
fact, while DM is still my favorite band.

>can you really define techno as "live" music (leaving asside the issue
>of is it "music" at all :) ).  From what I've heard, it's almost 
>entirely sequenced.  It may not be running from an audio tape,  but is
>it really *live* ????

It's all percentage I think. DM is about 40% live, the rest of the complicated
stuff is on tape and the vocals are live, so is the percussion and guitar
(in those rare tracks with guitar).

I suspect 808 is 90% sequenced and the rest is sampled (which means basically
that you press the key for the loop at the beginning of each bar... very
easy! :) Boxcar did this...) 

Paul


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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: bloody record companies( was Re: Headless Chickens support Poppies!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 06:44:59 GMT

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
>|> this year copies of the original "Body Blow" album were pressed,
>|> packaged and ready to go (I have a copy right here) but at the last
>|> minute Mushroom decided to hold off. 

[accidently kelly st reference accidently deleted!]

Why do record companies sanitize and blandify good bands??? I mean bigger
record companies of course, i.e. those with enough clout to include a lot
of control clauses in the contracts, like choosing what songs to release
as singles, release dates, etc. Smaller ones don't generally have such heavy
hands... So I have heard...

About promoters. What exactly do they do, and who are they? I met one called
Michael Best once. What do you know about him? One thing I know about him
is that he was responsible for the Betty Boo tour which was a complete
disaster...

Is there anyone else you know who does this kind of stuff? Successfully?
Paul






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From: disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Andrew Disseldorp)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Wild Summer, Wow!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 05:28:38 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Dpt of Surveying and Land Information
Distribution: aus
Reply-To: disseldo@sunburn.UUCP (Andrew Disseldorp)
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[lots of stuff deleted. How many people will bite this time? ]

>Undoubtedly, the climax of the 'Summer of stars' is Guns n Roses at Calder, 
>1/2/93. Axl, Slash, Izzy, Dizzy, Duff and Titch.

[More stuff deleted]

>I've started a sweep. The goal is to guess (a) the exact time they walk off 
>because someone took their photo, and (b) the damage bill from the resulting 
>riot. The winner will receive a copy of the number one record in South Africa 
>this week, 'Indigo' by Indecent Obsession. (From their blue period).

	Can you believe that the local council (Shire of Melton (?))
Would not let a U2 show be played at Calder Park, while they let a G 'N R
concert go ahead? I dunno, maybe the councils specialist adviser on
sound levels had a stuffed sound level meter that week.

Andrew, who is extremely annoyed that beauracracy causes his fave band
not to tour Oz, at least for another year.

disseldorp@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au

P.S. I'd like to make a bet that G'NR will be the last concert held at
Calder Park. Any takers?
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From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Clouds - how many lightbulbs does it take to change a drummer?
Originator: derbyc@sydrd14
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 02:12:06 GMT



Anyone, (Andrew Raphael especially),

What's happening with the Clouds?  What's with the ad in Drum last week?
Why do the Clouds need another drummer?  Can't Andrew play a Sega videogame?
How long would it take for me to learn the drums?

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From: mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Matthew Watson)
Subject: Another New Clouds Drummer
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:15:27 GMT

Just before everyone asks.....

The clouds are auditioning for another new drummer. Apparently, their new
drummer (who is still great pals with their old drummer, are they Andrew
and Stuart??) is not as dedicated as they would like and they are
auditioning for a new drummer (one of the conditions is that the new
drummer move in with Dave) who will be more full time. Andrews(???)
problem is that he is involved in too many other projects such as teaching
, session work etc.

Hot Favourite at the moment is (??? used to drum with Mass Appeal and
Caligula) who they specifically asked to audition for them.


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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark)
Subject: Shamen crash through the price barrier (almost)
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:24:17 GMT

I received the UK Shamen 'Boss drum' CD single in the mail yesterday. 8 
tracks, 40 minutes. If this is released locally for 8 dollars, without 
modifications, then the:

Scuglia rating = 8 songs / 8 dollars = 1 dollar per song.

Curtis factor = 40 minutes / 8 dollars = 50 cents per song.

Therefore, we can see that the Scuglia/Curtis ratio is *exactly* 2:1. This 
is especially difficult in these times of 3 or 5 track CD singles, and gives 
an overall indication of a well balanced, almost mathematically perfect 
release.

Of course, detractors of Techno music will slam these results, saying that 
because the music isn't live, it's manufactured and artificial, causing such 
a precise ratio, but I say *pshaw*. We need some stability in these tough 
times, and I'm not prepared to see the 3.473 recurring fiasco of the last 
Phil Collins CD.

Andrew Norrish.

'How much would you expect to pay? DON'T ANSWER. Because you also receive 
this set of Ginsu knives, the very same knives which etc. etc. etc.'
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@manta.mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May, 723 Swanston St Carlton)
Subject: local variants of 'techno' (was Re: Review: Unseen and Space
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 02:37:32 GMT

Paul, you're missing out on one of Melbourne's techno (in the loose sense)
outfits called "Foil". They call themselves "death techno" but sound more
like industrial dance to me. Really noisy/gritty etc etc.

Anyhow, they have a CD out now through MDS which (on 1 listen) seems
to have a fair bit of semi ambient content besides the in-your-face
stuff which is their usual style.

Live, they are bass (ex This Happy Greed bass player), 'singer' (who
dresses like Spandau Ballet in their 'neat' era) and a keybaord/sampler
et etc player (who dresses in black combat style leather/boots & has the
archytypal shaved side-of-head haircut). They are noisy.

Go see them at their launch, Temple, City, Melb Nov28th (Sat) & find out.

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark)
Subject: Re: Shamen crash through the price barrier (almost)
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:53:47 GMT

In article <a.norrish.18.0@trl.oz.au> a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark) writes:

>>Curtis factor = 40 minutes / 8 dollars = 50 cents per song.
>
>Horrors. The Curtis factor should be 50 cents per minute.

Anyone with grade 3 maths should realise that this should actually be 20 
cents per minute. What a day!

>Recalculating:

If the equations are done again, they actually turn out correct. No-one can 
be more surprised than me at that.

>So someone's lying. 8 tracks in 40 minutes doesn't add up. I think the 
>Shamen have been revealed for what they really are. SHAMEN. CHARLATANS. 
>STONE ROSES. oops.

I apologise, Shamen. 

>Andrew (not known for mathematical excellence) Norrish.

Andrew Norrish (who believes firstly, a joke's no good if you have to 
explain it, and secondly, is worse if you explain it badly)
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From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Re: Ebeneezer Goode cd single
Organization: Disorganization
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 09:03:13 GMT

How are the "Ebenezer Goode" remixes?  I sorta like the song, but if some
of the mixes are instrumental and a bit harder then I'll be in there...


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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: bloody record companies( was Re: Headless Chickens support Poppies!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:25:58 GMT

hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes:
>(Polydor), Frente (Mushroom), Def FX (EMI), etc etc etc...

>Take the case of Def FX in particular; a band that, while ostensibly
>signed to an independant and releasing EPs through MDS, was all the
>while actually signed to EMI, who happily paid all recording and
>promotional costs while the band gained "indie cred" by not sharing
>record labels with Slim Dusty. The album then appears and all of a
>sudden in interviews Fiona Horne is happily announcing that since
>signing to EMI she's found that there IS artistic freedom at the
>majors...! :-)

Well, I guess that the Def FX packaging was therefore planned by the EMI pepl.
However, you have to admit that the overall image/sound is interesting as
opposed to the homogeneous Major female vocalist thing: Melissa, Teen Queens,
Frente, . Urlich, etc...
Paul

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Stylii - where to get them? (Sydney)
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:00:34 GMT


Brash's Melbourne still stock stylii, so I'd say Sydney should.
I'm not saying they're cheap or best, as I didn't have the time
to look around for the best deal. An ordinary stylus for a 
eerly 80's Technics table cost me $31.

Good luck, it won't be easy!

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From: Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au>
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Sydney record shops
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:32:14 GMT
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Andy Newman, andy@research.canon.oz.au writes:
>Have you tried Utopia (Martin Place, sort of)? Ask for Simon.
Great place to try, however they've moved up to Clarence Street
at the same 'level' as Wynyard.

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From: a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark)
Subject: Re: Confirmed for Big Day Out 1992
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:32:46 GMT

In article <carol.722141631@ee.uts.EDU.AU> carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:

>>Someone mentioned the Stone Roses in a previous post (Andrew ?).
>>Is this rumour, unconfirmed source?
>
>It's not even a rumour.... it's a complete lie!

Hey! I'm hurt. Next you'll try and convince everyone that Carter are real, 
not just those cartoons I saw of them in their 'Do re me' single.

Trust me. I've seen Carter. Twice. They are a big tape machine, and a 
holographic projection. And a fat bastard.

Andrew Norrish.

(No, really! I have seen Carter! Twice! What boy? What wolf?)
(And the fat bastard has left)
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Stylii - where to get them? (Sydney)
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:54:14 GMT

Indeed where?  I know that David Reed Electronics in Sydney stocks Arista
stylus clones, but are they any good, or is there a better place to get stylii
from?  Most of the hi-fi stores I've been to don't know what an LP is anymore.

Thanks for any clues...
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From: a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark)
Subject: Re: Orb Assassin
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Distribution: melb
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:07:39 GMT

In article <pet.722162301@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark) writes:
>>There is an Orb 'Assassin' double CDS at Exposure records, Kew. $35.
>GAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Is that a ripoff, or am I just cheap? Gaslight sold out, dammit... :(

Well, considering that import-type cd singles cost around 14 bucks anyway
(rising to 17 or 18 for ultranew releases, especially at gaslight)...

I'm not going to tell you how much to pay. I'll pay an inflated price for 
something that's difficult to get hold of. (Although for my particular 
copy, I called a UK shop on the day of release, paid 4.49 pounds each and 
airmailed them back. All up that cost me around $30.) I paid $70 for the Orb 
video/CD, and I've never seen another one for sale here. The problem with 
these limited releases is that they're normal price on the day of issue, and 
when everyone's bought one, the prices start inflating in the collectors 
shops. I've got part one of the 'This charming man' and 'Tremelo song' 
double singles (in their double cases), but have never even seen part two of 
either. In these cases, I'll have to pay more, but not everyone would.

So the answer is, make up your own mind.

Andrew Norrish.

'I've got 'Falling and laughing'. The original Postcard version.' - The Pooh 
Sticks.
From: hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: bloody record companies( was Re: Headless Chickens support Poppies!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 10:16:16 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Distribution: aus
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stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au (Stuart Hungerford) writes:

>   "research" on the Hummingbirds and concluded that indie or non-mainstream
>   bands are every bit as packaged, sanitised, and manipulated as mainstream
>   bands.

Of course they are! There's money to be made from all walks of musical
life, and the non-mainstream bands signed either directly to major
labels or to smaller labels licencing to the majors are groomed for
stardom almost as much as your Euphorias or your Melissas. Think of some
of the current indie successes - the Clouds (Polydor) Underground Lovers
(Polydor), Frente (Mushroom), Def FX (EMI), etc etc etc...

Take the case of Def FX in particular; a band that, while ostensibly
signed to an independant and releasing EPs through MDS, was all the
while actually signed to EMI, who happily paid all recording and
promotional costs while the band gained "indie cred" by not sharing
record labels with Slim Dusty. The album then appears and all of a
sudden in interviews Fiona Horne is happily announcing that since
signing to EMI she's found that there IS artistic freedom at the
majors...! :-)

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From: u920381@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Alexander Lum)
Subject: Confirmed for Big Day Out 1992
Organization: University of Tasmania
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:52:54 GMT

Bands confirmed for the 1992 Big Day Out are:

Sonic Youth
Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprasy
Iggy Pop
Carter USM
Mudhoney
Beasts of Bourbon

Get your ticket now!

Alex.
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From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Promoters
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
	<1992Nov15.042714.13904@mel.dit.csiro.au>
	<pet.721809899@munagin>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:38:03 GMT

pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>What exactly do they do, and who are they?  Is there anyone else you
>know who does this kind of stuff? Successfully?

Steve Pav's Magnet Promotions seems to do all right, he bought out
The Lemonheads and other bands of that ilk.  Steve's a shaven-headed,
skateboard-riding, feedtime T-shirt & flanno-wearing inner-city ex-venue
booker whom I met at a Hummingbirds gig years ago at the Teacher's Club,
$2 in, 2 punk bands supporting, organised by Michelle (As Well) while
she was at school, and he used to book Club Hoy too.  Weird.
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Matthew Watson)
Subject: Big Day Out -> Band List?
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:38:02 GMT

I was just wondering if anyone out there knew what the full list of bands
playing at the big day out will be?

Cheers... Matt


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From: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au (Stuart Hungerford)
Subject: Re: bloody record companies( was Re: Headless Chickens support Poppies!
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:56:37 GMT

>>Why do record companies sanitize and blandify good bands??? I mean bigger
>>record companies of course, i.e. those with enough clout to include a lot
>>of control clauses in the contracts, like choosing what songs to release
>>as singles, release dates, etc. Smaller ones don't generally have such heavy
>>hands... So I have heard...

>I wouldn't be too sure about that! Many small independant companies
>happily change tracks on overseas product they distribute. In the case
>of the Chickens Mushroom obviously felt that by holding off and waiting
>for the new tracks they'd end up with a stronger album. I've heard the
>new songs live, and believe me, they are a quantum leap for the band.
>The Chickens themselves, in an InPress interview, seemed philosophical
>about what Mushroom are doing. Sort of, "Well, there was nothing wrong
>with the original album, but if they feel they have to change it, that's
>fine too". It's not as if Mushroom have hired Euphoria to remix tracks
>or anything... (and if you're reading this, Mushroom... DON'T!!)

   I was listening to "In the Mix" on Radio National last night when they
   interviewed the editor of a new journal/magazine on popular music called 
   "Perfect Beat". He claims that in their first issue they did some in depth
   "research" on the Hummingbirds and concluded that indie or non-mainstream
   bands are every bit as packaged, sanitised, and manipulated as mainstream
   bands.
   
   Has anyone out there actually read this article?

Stu
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From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Clouds need a new drummer
Keywords: job ad
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:55:30 GMT

In Drum Media on Tue 17 Nov 1992, page 70, there's a job ad.  It reads:

                             HEY DRUMMERS
                             CLOUDS need a
                                DRUMMER
                    Powerful, Inventive, Intuitive
                            Phone 557 3000
                 Must be able to share room with Dave
                     Sega Megadrive skills a must

Hmm.  That's Smash Artist Service's phone number, so add an 02 area code.
An informed source tells me that Andrew Byrne isn't working out as their
new drummer because when it comes to writing new songs he and the others
don't come from the same musical direction.  

If you or anyone you know is interested, I encourage you to call and
go for it.  It's a full-time job, you'll need a passport, be willing to
travel extensively, and so on.  Martha Sear and I think that
having to share a room with Dave doesn't preclude female drummers.
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From: plastic@ecr.mu.oz.au (Jason Brinsley LEE)
Subject: WANTED: Rheem? HOT WATER TELEPHONE TAPES
Keywords: I am going to put this on radio. F__k you!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: melb
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:25:03 GMT


Yes. I am after the Hot Water tape!!
you know the one with a sequence of three phone
answering machine messages. With the guy becomming
more and more pissed off!
I think this tape was recorded about 10 years ago
in Sydney.

For readers of AUS.MUSIC I recently heard the above
mentioned tape sampled on the ITCH-E & SCRATCH-E
Irritable CD. Not bad stuff but I believe there is
some better aussie techno around like some of the 
stuff they list in their ``thankyous''.

Let me know if you have a copy of the tape!!!



peace. plastic. 1992.

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