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From: justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)
Subject: AFL Tips: Winner, next year etc.
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:55:05 GMT


After 24 home & away rounds and 4 weeks of finals, the AFL season is
finally over, and along with it the Tipping Competition.

The winner of the competition was GREG ADCOCK (gjadcock@coombs.anu.edu.au)
from ANU: congratulations.  A healthy 3% lead over 100 matches tipped
isn't bad at all...
A special mention goes to those in the lower part of the table who also
scored high percentages and just missed out on the nine round cutoff.
Congratulations also to those who were victorious over office-mates etc.,
and commiserations to those who came in a little lower.

Remember that if you would like to be notified before the start of next
season's competition and are not yet on the list, you can Email me.
In addition, feel free to send mail any time between now and next year
if you have comments/suggestions about the format.

I hope everyone who participated has enjoyed it, just as I have enjoyed
collating the stuff each week, and you're all invited back for Round 1,
1993 :-)

Bye for now, and keep safe until next year.

Justin Ridge.

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From: Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge)
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:22:04 GMT

In article <jodi.7.0@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au> jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay) writes:
>From: jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay)
>Subject: No reports from GF??
>Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:30:46 GMT
>
>P.S. when are they going to bring in tougher penalties for this sort of 
>thing in the GF?  I watched an interview with Blight before the game, and 
>some comic asked him who would pick up Matera.  When no definate reply was 
>forthcoming, it was suggested it would be the trainers 30 secs after the 
>bouncedown.  Yeah yeah, we all took the joke, but if Ablett or someone was 
>decked, I think they'd still be screaming..........
>Jodi Lindsay
>Department of Microbiology

I think they did dish out some tough penalties after the 90 GF and this has 
shown in the last 2 GF's.  Although it's history I think the penalty that 
Terry Daniher received after that GF was pretty rough, I think he missed 
about half of the following season.

Mark.
From: hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Need a copy of the Final on VHS (message for Brian Gilstrap).
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:10:15 GMT
Reply-To: hosking@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
In-reply-to: gilstrap@sbctri.sbc.com's message of 28 Sep 92 21:11:40 GMT

Brian,

You mailer gets an internal error when I send mail to you at calvin.sbc.com.
Not sure what the problem is but why don't you try mailing me.
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From: staamu@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Congratulations Eagles
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:49:04 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

Congratulations to the Eagles....outplaying Geelong from half-time
onwards.......we now have a truely national competition.

Antony
From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: AFL News for Friday 2/10/1992
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:43:14 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

The AFL News for Friday 2/10/1992.
----------------------------------
 Today there is not much news, but enough to write a news report on. This is
probably the format the news will take for the rest of the season. I will
collect the news for a couple of days and write a cumulative article unless
there is a heap of news on the one day. Anyway, yesterday the AFL announced that
they will sell part of the Waverley Park grounds to use the funds to help pay
some debts, fix the carpark at Waverley Park, and give any money remaining to
the clubs. Waverley Park is set on 85 hectares of land. It was originally
constructed to fit 157,000 but with the MCG now being the home of football in
Melbourne no further work will be done on the ground. The land being sold is of
no use anymore.

 The history of Waverley Park has always been colorful. Waverley Park (or VFL
Park as it was originally known) was constructed in 1970. The VFL bought the
land in 1962 to build a stadium with a capacity of 157,000 and also to house the
headquarters of the VFL. The stadium had been built up to a capacity of 77,000
in 1977 and it has not been extended since. The reason the VFL built the stadium
was because the MCC which runs the MCG was giving the VFL a raw deal in the
1950's and 1960's. In 1983 the VFL announced that the ground capacity would be
extended to 120,000 but the Victorian Government vetoed the move and the
relations between the VFL and the MCC were mended. Now the AFL and the MCC have
built the Great Southern Stand together and the AFL's offices are in the stand.

 In further news Adelaide's captain Chris McDermott has won the club's best and
fairest award for the 1992 season. McDermott has had a great year being named
vice-captain of the All-Australian also. Second in the award was Tony McGuiness.

 Melbourne welcomed their new coach Neil Balme at the club's best and fairest
awards. The award was won by Glenn Lovett with Andy Lovell second and David
Schwarz third.

 Enough for now. Until next time...

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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Multiple Musings
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:54:21 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

I think I'll start with some questions.  First, I think I've figured out
"budgies" [WCE] and "dons" [Essendon].  But "woodsmen"? [Coll'wood?]

Second, could someone post lists of teams [both names] in the "minor"
leagues [VFA, SANFL, WAFL, etc.] and the 92 ladders?

Now, my ideas.
The parallels between the AFL and NSWRL this year are pretty wild.  Teams
from outside the superstate winning both grand finals, and 2 Magpie sides
in 5th (the rugby version is Western Suburbs {of Sydney} or Wests for short,
for those of you who don't follow that sport).

As far as the complaints about the final-six system, why not just go back to
the final five?  Thinking about what would have been different this year:
 * Collingwood gets a double chance :), and might have done some damage (in
particular, they easily beat Dogs in the QF, and I imagine WC would then do the
same in the 1S).
 * West Coast faces sudden death all the way, and I doubt they would have taken
out Geelong with the Cats having the bye in (no way would they beat the pies).
Would still have been a good game though.
 * St. Kilda doesn't make the finals :(.

And the first predictions for season '93: [trumpet fanfare]
Home-and-away:
1. West Coast
2. St. Kilda
3. Geelong
4. Carlton (if they get an easier schedule)
5. Collingwood
6. Adelaide
7. Hawthorn (wishful thinking, probably)
8. Footscray (back to earth)
9. Essendon
10. Fremantle (read on)
11. North Melbourne
12. Fitzroy
13. Richmond
14. Brisbane Swans (which explains the rush to WA2; no point reducing the
   league)
15. Melbourne
   If I'm wrong on the merger tip, move 10-13 up one each, and the Bears will
just edge Sydney for the wooden spoon.

In the finals:
QF:  West Coast over St. K (their form won't quite be ready to leave a la 91)
EF (3v6):  Geelong a bit too much *this* year, but extra time possible
EF (4v5):  Blues blow it on their home ground :) :)
2S:  Eagles (still not yet)
1S:  Saints send Pies out 2 yrs running
PF:  Geelong in a thriller
GF:  The pressure to repeat too much.  Cats 17.14 (116), WC 13.22 (100)
BTW, who was the last side to have a 2-yr reign?

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Carn the Magpies!  (I think that's a good thing.  If not, carn the Hawks!)
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:57:10 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay) writes:
: 
: As for the Eagles jumpers - what's wrong with them????  Better than those 
: Adelaide eyesores!!!
:

	nice one!

	and i spose compared to collingwood supporters eagle fans
are quite reasonable.
	and compared to Sheddy, Todd wasnt a whinger.

	I dont think anyone considers adelaide's jumper to be a
football jumper either - although at least it vaguely mantains
a traditional stripe orientation!

				CE 
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Mark of the Year
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:32:07 GMT

	Those who followed Channel 7's mark of the year comp
	on Saturday, it was Winmar's that won? If so, here is
	a quote from James Marinopoulos' summary of the R3
	WCE, St Kilda game:

	"West Coast played fairly well to record a good win. Four goals in 
the first quarter by first-gamer Daniel Metropolis set up the victory for 
the Eagles.
Paul Peos played a good game in the forward line for the Eagles, as did Lewis
on the ball. The Saints got to within 12 points in the third quarter, but two
late goals made the difference 24 points at 3/4 time. Nicky Winmar probably
took the mark of the year. Watch out for it."
			
	Also, what happened to Paul Peos + Daniel Metropolis?

	tom
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Sundays game!
Keywords: world
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:36:27 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3




	I'll risk being accused of hiding from the horrible truths of
Saturday; but did anyone see Castlemaine (mighty pies) win the big one
on Sunday (at the Queen Elizabeth Oval - Bendigo) against golden square
(whose jumper contained the same colours as a certain WA team in the VFL
but in the style of a football jumper).
	It was Castlemaine's first premiership since '43 (ish).

					CE

ps: unfortunately i now know who materia is.

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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:21:53 GMT

|> The introduction of a second team from WA is considered inevitable.  West 
|> Australians are very keen to ensure that local talent plays for local-based 
|> teams.  The introduction of the West Coast Eagles means we get to see top-
|> class football live every fortnight, which is what we deserve when you 
|> consider how many West Australians play in the AFL.  A second team is 
|> likely to send media coverage through the roof, but the prospect of the 
|> city/state being divided into two is appealing.  And judging from the 
|> response of the public over here, likely to go ahead at a rate of knots.

Just make sure they get a decent footy jumper this time.  I expect the
Bears to improve now that they have a proper jumper, and not some wanky
thing designed by a fasion consultant like the weagles jumper and the
old bears jumper.
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From: Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge)
Subject: Re: Mark of the Year
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:55:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.043207.12589@cs.su.oz.au> tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
>From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
>Subject: Mark of the Year
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:32:07 GMT
>	Those who followed Channel 7's mark of the year comp
>	on Saturday, it was Winmar's that won? If so, here is
>	a quote from James Marinopoulos' summary of the R3
>	WCE, St Kilda game:
>
>	"West Coast played fairly well to record a good win. Four goals in 
>the first quarter by first-gamer Daniel Metropolis set up the victory for 
>the Eagles.
>Paul Peos played a good game in the forward line for the Eagles, as did Lewis
>on the ball. The Saints got to within 12 points in the third quarter, but two
>late goals made the difference 24 points at 3/4 time. Nicky Winmar probably
>took the mark of the year. Watch out for it."
>			
>	Also, what happened to Paul Peos + Daniel Metropolis?
>
>	tom

Firstly, I think John give us a terrific coverage of the football this and
I would like to thank him for that,  well done John.  One thing though while 
your in the habit of making accurate predictions are we going to win back-
to-back premierships :-)

Paul Peos played a number of games with the Eagles but spent a lot of time 
at his WAFL club East Perth (I can't remember if he was injuried at any 
stage of the year).

Daniel Metropolis played the following couple of games with the Eagles then 
injured his knee and was out for the rest of the season.

Mark.
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Nathan Buckley
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:27:10 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide
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In article <EVAN.92Sep28101246@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris) writes:
|> On 25 Sep 92 04:13:07 GMT, psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) said:
|>
|> Geoff> There's not much Brisbane can do about it if Buckley decides
|> Geoff> he's not going to play for him.  They at least may get someone
|> Geoff> good through the draft that does want to play for them.
|>
|> Well, that's true, they can't make him play for them.  However, they
|> can stop him from playing with anyone else (as Hawthorn has done with
|> Robran).
|>
|> Once he no longer tied to Brisbane he goes back into the draft if he
|> isn't traded.  The chances of him being left to a successful club
|> under those circumstances are somewhat remote (unless they do a deal
|> to get a high draft pick), and the chances of being picked up by
|> Brisbane or Sydney is quite high (unless they give up on him).
|>
|> This seems to be the case with Robran -- Adelaide appear to want give
|> draft pick(s) and Hawthorn want a player.  He is tied to Hawthorn
|> until after the November draft, so unless they come to an agreement he
|> goes into the March draft.  He then has to hope that nobody else
|> drafts him before Adelaide, but some might in the hopes that they can
|> persuade him to play with them, or just to keep him from playing with
|> Adelaide.
|>
I think the Robran case is different since he had signed to play with
Hawthorn and then after moving to Melbourne decided he didn't like it
and wanted to come back (and is quite happy to just play in the
SANFL). He can't play in the SANFL unless he is released by Hawthorn
to do so.

Buckley is onlt drafted by Brisbane and so if he wishes to play in the
AFL then he is bound to sign for Brisbane. As he has said he would
rather continue to play for Port than play for Brisbane his only
restriction is the fact he can't play in the AFL (Robran can't play
footy at all or even train with his SANFL club).

I expect Brisbane will have to trade him. Assuming they don't and he
is in the draft again and they are stupid enough to select him again I
would guess Port will gain a long term player :-). What would happen
if Port entered the AFL as the second SA based team would be anyone's
guess but I expect the AFL would allow Port to select a number of
ex Port players bound to AFL clubs and Brisbane would loose him that
way.

Mark.
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From: gjadcock@coombs.anu.edu.au (Greg Adcock)
Subject: Re: AFL Tips: Final standings for '92 &me
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 05:21:52 GMT

In article <justin.717641637@tasman>, justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge) writes:
> 
> 
> AFL Tipping -- Final results.
> ----------------------------
> 
>  No.  Email address                             Right  From   %age
>  ---  -------------                             -----  ----   ----
>   1.  gjadcock@coombs.anu.edu.au                  76    98    77.6%
>   2.  jmab@deakin.oz.au                           54    73    74.0%
>   3.  cmcgee@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au            46    63    73.0%
>   4.  tom@minnie.cs.su.oz.au                      46    63    73.0%
>   5.  gav@asgserver.canberra.edu.au               76   105    72.4%
>   6.  j-arnold@adfa.oz.au                         81   112    72.3%
>   7.  snark@thistledown.img.com.au                48    67    71.6%
>   8.  s913545@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au               60    84    71.4%
>   9.  webb@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au             70    98    71.4%
>  10.  ellingsen@physvax.phys.utas.edu.au          95   133    71.4%


	I won, yippee. I am so proud.

			And now for a few words. I am an Essendon supporter who was exiled to the
nether-lands of Canberra. I saw one game this year where we pumped St. Kilda.
So why did I head the list against many more learned people. I didn' t get to 
watch many games on TV bacause I was out playing for the ANU. I didn't even get to read
the papers much. Hmmmm? Are footy tips a crock? How often has the office bimbo
beaten regular footy goers and bores alike in the office tipping comps? Not that
I care nyah nyah.

			One more Nyah nyah.......B O M B E R S ! ! !

		What a great final game T.D. played to help beat the fascist bastards in the
Victorian premiership. 1897 and 1992...first both times :)


Your most intelligent football correspondant


UUUUUUGH.
From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: SANFL results: PLEASE
Date: 25 Sep 92 04:13:07 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <EVAN.92Sep24103423@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU> evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris) writes:
>In article <1992Sep16.232513.12642@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
>|>      What is happening with Nathan Buckley and Brisbane Bears ?
>|>      (Is he the chap they drafted for 3 years who doesn't
>|>      want to play for them?)
>
>On 23 Sep 92 09:23:00 GMT, mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior) said:
>
>Mark> Buckley has said that he will not play for the Bears and is
>Mark> prepared to continue playing for Port until the contact with
>Mark> Brisbane expires.  He wants to play with a successful Melbourne
>Mark> based club.
>
>Of course, if he does wait out the time the Bears have him for he goes
>right back into the draft.  He would be (close to) the #1 pick and
>would therefore probably not be picked up by a successful Melbourne
>based club (instead probably Sydney, if they still exist).
>
>From his point of view, the best thing to happen would be that the
>Bears would trade him to someone in exchange for players (like they
>did with Darren Jarman).  Draft choices won't do them much good if
>they're prepared to trade the good players they draft away for lesser
>players.  8-)
>
>Of course, this would make the Bears pleas for more assistance look a
>little sick, if they're prepared to chuck away good players for ones
>of lesser quality.

There's not much Brisbane can do about it if Buckley decides he's not
going to play for him.  They at least may get someone good through the
draft that does want to play for them.

>Mark> There is talk that he might take the AFL to court over the draft.
>
>And wouldn't that be Good For Football.
>
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>Dept of Computer Science, The University of Melbourne, Australia


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From: ford_c@cs.uwa.oz.au (Pugs)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:39:47 GMT

In <1992Oct2.004818.19548@trl.oz.au> mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers) writes:

>'BB' on it or something like that.  I think West Coast having a jumper
>of vertical blue and yellow stripes or somesuch would change the West
>Coast pysche a little bit.  Perhaps the players would feel more like
>they were part of the Aussie rules tradition and less of a bunch of
>wankers from WA with something to prove.  I think the publics perception
>of them might change a little bit as well.

Just a couple of points - their psyche doesn't need to be changed, they're
the best team in the league and also the premiers. I very much doubt that
they themselves feel like a 'bunch of wankers' and they certainly wouldn't
want to change the public perception of them over here in Perth (where it 
matters). Besides, the League Cup has TRADITIONALLY been won by victorian
teams, so who gives a fuck if a few traditions are chucked out the window?
(certainly not me anyway)

Eagles - Premiers 1992,93,94...

 
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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Matera v McGuane
Date: 29 Sep 1992 09:24:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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sloan@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan) writes:

>In article <3231@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>>
>>
>>		WHO THE HELL IS MATERA?
>>
>>				CE
>>

>I think he played in the Grand Final, didn't he??!! :-)

yes, and he's the norm smith medalist as well
so much for geelong

1993 : the year of the eagle again
1994 : again
1995 : and again
1996 : and again
1997 : the year of the second perth afl side
1998 : " ditto
1999 : " ditto
2000 : all the victorian teams go bankrupt when joan kirner dreams up
her master plan for 1 victoria and 1 victorian team, pity it was
essendon tho', it all fell apart

bye

>1993: The year of the Magpie,

>Davin                                  e-mail: sloan@latcs1.lat.oz.au 

argh!