From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Subject: Re: Who are the Occupiers?
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:55:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.204226.1451@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <4145@bimacs.BITNET>, rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
>writes:
>
>|>There is a rabbinical teaching, dating from way before the current
>|>Moslem-Jewish (or should I say Arab/Palestinian-Israel) was even a
>|>twinkle in anybody's eye.
>|>
>|>In the bible three plots of land are bought in perpetuity for the
>|>Jewish people:
>|>
>|>a) Hebron.  Bought by Abraham as a burial site (in the Cave of
>|>Machpelah (Tomb of the Patriarchs) for his wife, Sarah, and eventually
>|>for himself, as well as his son, Isaac, and grandson, Jaacob, along
>|>with their wives, Rebeccah and Leah.  (Jacob's other wife, Rachel, is
>|>buried in Bethlehem.)
>|>
>|>b) Shechem (Nablus).  Bought by Jacob as a burial site for his son
>|>Joseph.
>|>
>|>c) The Temple Mount in Jerusalem: Bought by King David in order to
>|>build the Temple.
>|>
>|>
>|>In light of the the above, please tell me who is occupying whom, or
>|>what?
>|>
>|>(BTW in all of these places, apart from the Temple Mount-for fear of
>|>entering forbidden areas in a state of religious impurity-there has
>|>been a continual Jewish presence, apart from 1948-1967 when the
>|>Jordanians controlled the area.)
>
>Your mythology might have more credibility if the bible explained just when and
>how the Jews managed to lose the ark of the covenant. That must have been quite
>a difficult one to explain to the chief priest eh? It is obvious that the bible
>does not tell the whole story there and it is equally obvious that it is not an
>impartial account (to put it mildly!)
>
>The greek myths contain passages which were deliberatly inserted to give a cause
>for invasion later. Ever wondered why Hercules went about winning trials of
>strength with local chiefs then leaving the administration of the city "in
>trust" for his descendants?
>

Mythology or not mythology the fact is that Jews were related to this
specific piece of land for 3000+ years , the last 2000 mainly spiritualy
although throughout the ages Jews maintained small communities in cities
like Safed,Tiberias,Hebron and Jerusalem and billages in teh Gallilee.

You may argue that Israel should return the lands to the Cannanites if
you want to fight ownership. Palestinian Arabs are VERY LATE invaders
occiupiers who have ENORMOUS NERVE to claim anything in this country.

They live here - as Jews live in NY and in Germany: Jews don't claim 
NY or Germany as a NATIONAL home. they have rights as individuals - no
rights as a nation. The Fiction of Plaestinian nation is one of the 
greatest tricks in propaganda the 20th century experienced. There was
no such thing - they were "Syrians of the South" and no more than that.
many Arabs from all over the Arab world Egypt,Sudan,Syria flowed into 
the country since the 1910s - they have not the flimisiest right to 
sit here on the expense of prosecuted Jews who finally came to rest.

The Arabs that sat here before the Jews came will be welcome as Israeli
citizens (and are welcomed) - they have no national rights here.

David.



>--
>
>Phill Hallam-Baker


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