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From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Re: Future of OS/2 and IBM????????????
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.150448.17010@netcom.com> stewarta@netcom.com (Alex Stewart) writes:
>People, PLEASE!!  I've just read through 20 messages in comp.os.os2.misc 
>that have absolutely nothing to do with OS/2, or even OSes in general.  While 
>the information contained within was mildly interesting, my time allottment
>for reading newsgroups is rather limited, and I don't really have time to 
>slog through tons of stuff that has nothing to do with what I came here to
>read.  In short, MOVE IT.
>
>Now, for those who ask why I didn't just skip the messages, I should have, but
>at the same time, I shouldn't have to.

I agree that we should make an effort to stick to the charter of the
newsgroup or the noise level just gets too high.  However, you can't
expect everyone's opinion of what is appropriate to match yours every
time... correction, you can expect it if you choose -- you can "expect"
anything you like... you can expect everyone who reads your postings
to send you $100.00... you won't get it, but you can "expect" it.

I was a contributor to the original thread, but I think that the
thread became a little borderline regarding the charter of this
newsgroup... not totally out in left field, but starting to digress,
perhaps.  When you see this happening, please do not panic and
please do not blow up.  If you must comment, please do not flame.
Most flamage does not impress me... relatively few of us on the net
are any good at it (just for the record, I do not count myself as 
one who is "good at it").

Larry

P.S.  I find rn's "k" key very handy in such cases.  Most threads
      will die quickly if ignored.  I haven't seen it in the
      relatively civilized os2 groups, but I have seen flame wars
      completely overshadow the original off-charter thread if not
      the whole damn group to no purpose.


>
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-- 
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Norman, listen carefully.  I am lying.  Are you sure your circuits are
registering?  Your ears are green.  Logic is a little bird singing in a
meadow.  Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad! - Mr. Spock
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:48:27 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

CUNY/Spartacus <I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

> In article <1qk9VB3w165w@tcscs.UUCP>, tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory
> Youngblood) says:
> >
> >rvaniwaa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ronald J. Vaniwaarden) writes:
> >
> >I HOPE the 2.1 BETA will be available in 3.5 inch images because I don't hav
> >a CD ROM yet.  All these new things are great but I can't get it because I
> >dont have a CD ROM?
> >
> >IBM is going disillusion more people with OS/2 if they only make this on CD
> >ROM.
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> Hi Greg,
> 
>    I don't have a CD-ROM either, primary because I'm still waiting
> for the multisession drives to come out.  However I do make use
> of a Sun Sparc workstation at school to get the stuff onto floppies.
> Maybe you can find someone at your place of work who has a Sun or
> maybe a PC with a CD-ROM and ask them to let you use their machine
> to get the beta on floppies.   Just a thought.
> 
> BTW, I think it can be done on a Mac as well with the Mac-In-Dos
> program.  Good Luck!
> 
Thanks.. I'll have to do that.

If I understand what is going on with the CD, you will end up with a complete
set of installable disks.  Is that correct?

If that is the case, could someone confirm this?  Thanks

Greg

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From: kslater@sps.pgh.pa.us (Kevin J. Slater)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Tseng 4000 or Trident?
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:39:40 GMT
Organization: SPS ACAD BBS, (412) 487-3637

I'm in the market for a new video board (I currently have a Paradise 
PVGA1 based board). From recent readings it would seem my CURRENT choices 
are between a Tseng 4000 based or Trident 8900 v3.01 (or better) board. 
Now what I need is 800 x 600 with seamless windows support. 32 bit 
drivers and/or 256 colors would be nice but not necessary. Since I can 
get either board for under $100 with 1M of RAM, cost is not an issue. 
Also, which is faster? Does the Tseng with Hi-Color support have any 
chance of future support?


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wdieteri@nyx.cs.du.edu (William Dieterich)
Subject: Questions
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 02:15:59 GMT


I just got OS/2 and have some questions.

1) I want to setup a program so that it appears on  ms-windows screen,
instead of icon coming up on the OS/2 screen.
  I cannot find a way of installing a mswindows program to have
this happen.   I realize that I  would be required to display the ms-windows 
screen to run the program, but I have a couple of programs I want to 
set up like this.

2) Is this some setting or an other program that will allow me to activate a
window without having that window bring itself to the foreground?

3) How do I make a screen appear in a certain location, and at a preset size
every time I open that program.   I can get this to happen on some
screens, but I cannot get this to work with the command line shells. 
  As a side question, is there a way of preventing that question requestor
fromappearing when I close a shell?
Is there any bad side effect, beside of the possibility that the data will
not be saved?

4) Are there any good books that  are of the more advanced nature, that
explain what certain files do,  the layout of OS/2, etc.

5)   What exactly do the config.sys and autoexec.bat file do?  From reading
the one-line information, it looks like autoexec.bat is run for each msdos/
mswindows shell that is open, and the config.sys is use to configure OS/2
and msdos windows.  If this is true, is there any thing in OS/2 that can
be change and then executed to verify if it works without rebooting the
system?

6)  How do delete an icon for a program without deleteing the program?
Also how do you delete and item from the desktop?

I have tried various test such as creating a file called test.bat.  I then
migrate this program, this gives me an icon.  I take this icon and
drag it to the shredder,  the  icon disappears, but if I do a directory
of the drive where I created the file, the file still exists.

Finally,  any recommendation for good program a person should
get, and install.

Also if someone knows of a true version of more or less,  a
ftp site would be great.




Thanks,

 Name:   Will Dieterich                             Call Sign: KD4LZE
 E-Mail: wdieteri@wrdis01.robins.af.mil
"Hello Microsoft Customer Support.  Please hold for an hour." -- MST3K
From: b259phl@utarlg.uta.edu (PHILIP LIPPEL)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Dual monitor
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:47:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

After finally getting a new motherboard and enough memmory to run OS/2 well on
one omy systems, I am having trouble getting GA+SP to boot with a n(S)VGA card
plus MPA/hercules. Are there any known problems with getting this config to
boot? My system hangs after doing the chkdsk if the mono card is installed,
runs fine  (neglecting the "VMONO.SYS cannot be loaded" message) if the mono
is installed. The other video card is a US Video NTSC recordable card, which
uses the Trident 8800 chipset and has 512 k memory. Monitors are NEC 3D and
generic monochrome.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Philip Lippel
Physics Dept.
UT Arlington
phl@sgiris.uta.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Irrelevant, but can't resist! (was: Why not standard VESA)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:35:29 GMT

In article <29563.1088.uupcb@satalink.com> bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)  writes:

>DeLuxe./386 1.25 #343sa . Death is just God's way of dropping Carrier Detect
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                           Talk about excommunication!!!!!

Punishingly,
Larry
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Norman, listen carefully.  I am lying.  Are you sure your circuits are
registering?  Your ears are green.  Logic is a little bird singing in a
meadow.  Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad! - Mr. Spock
From: jpw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON PAUL WALTERS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2, Gateway 2000, Sony CD, and a Monitor w/o synch
Date: 31 Dec 92 06:12:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1hfcukINN3gm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cr334@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Step
hen R. Berard) writes:
>
>Hello, I was trying to install the PDK CD from IBM.  I have a Gateway 2000
>486 with 8 megs of memory.  I have an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro video card
>that is the local bus VESA version.
>
>I couldn't get my CD ROM to install OS/2 so I made disk images.  Upon
>loading them as instructed I got to only disk 5, then it asked me to put in
>the installation disk.  After doing so I copyied a few files and rebooted.
>First I was wondering if this was normal (I think it is), anyways.  Now
>when the machince booted up I got the OS/2 logo and the loading please wait
>screen.  Then when a dialog box came up my monitor appeared to loose synch
>because I couldn't read anything(the screen was scrolling so fast).
>
>My graphics card is supposed to be 100% IBM VGA compatable, so could I be
>installing something wrong?  Also if someone got the Sony 31A CD player to
>install the Beta version I would apreciate any help.
>
>Thanks in advance.....
>
>Stephen Berard
>University of Rhode Island
>IQM148@URIACC.URI.EDU
>
    Stephen,
          The problem you are experiencing is a common one.  I have had the
          same problem with my Gateway '486DX2-66 Local Bus system.  The
          problem happens to be with the refresh rate of the gateway 15 inch
          monitor being setup as 72 Hz.  The default 8514A driver for OS/2
          (which is how the ATI Graphics Ultra is recognized) only syncs at
          60 Hz.  What you need to do, assuming you did not Kill OS/2 off the
          hard drive, is boot DOS from your supplied disks, stick in the ATI
          Graphics Ultra Drivers disk and run INSTALL.EXE.  from there change
          your monitor configurations from the "Gateway Crystal Scan 1572FS
          ....." to "Custom configuration", then it asks which video mode, go
          through all of them and select 60HZ...... After you are finished
          save Configuration to EEPROM, and reboot OS/2....All should be well
          again!

          Have a happy holiday.
             Jason

             
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rogoff@netcom.com (Carolyn Rogoff David Rogoff)
Subject: Re: keybinding in OS/2 gnuemacs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:54:50 GMT

Thanks to everyone for the help.  My original emacs was
unpacked on a Sun and transfered in pieces to my PC.
Apparently I lost some .el files, notably em-key.el!

When I downloaded a new copy from hobbes, I renamed my old
emacs folder in WKS.  I tried everyone's suggestions but they
didn't work.  I finally looked at the settings notebook for
my test file (I have /had WKS set gnuemacs as the default
tool for any text file), and found that WKS had changed the
pointer to emacs to the old emacs when I renamed it.  I guess
that's a good feature if you know it's being done.

Anyway, everything works fine now.

David
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From: chris@hfglobe.intel.com (Chris Houghton)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 Beta is OUT!!!!!!!!!!!  Wide Release!
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:16:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.234503.11468@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:
>cvetp036@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>// In article <725427584.0@ttlg.ttlg.UUCP>, Eric.Chan@ttlg.UUCP (Eric Chan) writes:
>// It's on CD-ROM for $15 from 1 800 3IBMOS2.
>// 
>// Now, my question is, can you install it WITHOUT a CD-ROM? As in copying
>// the files over to floppies first?
>I think you'll find that it will be the same story as the PDK - you'll  run the
>install package from the CD-Rom, which will prompt you to throw in a LOT of
>diskettes, and from these you'll install the OS. Pity - I rather hoped that we'd
>be able to install straight from the CD. Oh well...

The PDK readme file included instructions for creating two boot diskettes
and then installing the rest of the beta os from the CD.  I expect the
new beta to have the same option.
Mind you it wasn't quite foolproof to install.  You had to replace a
file on the boot diskette and edit config.sys if you did not have a
system that used a vanilla SCSI driver. 

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jlloyd@adapcal.UUCP (John Lloyd)
Subject: Re: ADaptec 1542B doesn't work--hints?
Organization: Adaptec Inc., California
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:26:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.132353.25605@news2.cis.umn.edu> weiss@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>I just bought an Adaptec 1542B so I could reinstall and USE OS2 with the
>added storage of my 90MB Bernoulli.
>
>It doesn't work for me--I get a "SYS 0026 The specified disk...cannot be
>accessed" when I change to the scsi drive (Bernoulli) and do a "DIR" inside
>an OS2 window. OS2 accesses the drive--it whirs during boot --but doesn't
>see the files on there already. It was formatted with Adaptec's AFDISK.
>
The problem is that OS/2 2.0 treats removable hard drives as floppies
and MS-DOS treats them as hard drives. In order for OS/2 to share data
with DOS or to use HPFS on removable drives you need to get LOCKDRV.FLT
which is available on our BBS and CompuServe and may be available on the
net somewhere. The only penalty you pay is that swapping media can only
be done after shutting down. If you want to swap media and don't need to
share data with DOS, run FORMAT under OS/2 and everything should be
fine.

jlloyd@adapcal.com
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: MO drives!? was Re: (Q) driver for 20M floptical on SCSI
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:53:52 GMT
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York

What MO drives are supported?
128 MB?
650 MB?

I think these drives will become increasingly important to OS/2 users as they
and their medias come down in price.  All OS/2 users need increaingly large
amounts of removable storage.  Why not use these drives for backup and offline
storage?

In article <1992Dec20.162556.5567@adapcal.UUCP> jlloyd@adapcal.UUCP (John Lloyd) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.225208.24341@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.081655.1703@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> vthrc@mailbox.uq.oz.au writes:
>>>perhaps somebody might be able to answer a simple question that our dealer
>>>doesn't seem able to: is there an OS/2 driver for an Insite 20M floptical
>>>drive? We are currently running one under DOS with a Grassroots SCSI adaptor,
>>
>>You'd need a SCSI adapter natively supported by OS/2 (like Adaptec,
>>Trantor, Future Domain, etc).  If so, it should work.
>>
>> 
>Unfortunately there is NOT any true support for floptical drives at this
>point. In order to write to one a vendor specific command is required to
>"unlock" the media. This would probably best be handled at a level above
>the ADD (i.e. OS2DASD.DMD or a filter) so that all types of valid media
>would function correctly. Perhaps this will be added in the future to
>OS2DASD by IBM or Insite could write the filter to handle their specific
>drive.
>
>jlloyd@adapcal.com
>
>>Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
>>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
>>Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
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From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: leave OS/2 running - the monitor too?
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:03:24 GMT

In article <23DEC199219564973@utarlg.uta.edu> b259phl@utarlg.uta.edu (PHILIP LIPPEL) writes:
>> This is true with all computer equipment BTW. Switching a machine on and
>> off does really bad things to your system, *on a long term basis*. Most
>> users don't have the ability to buy a power conditioner and surge protector.
>> 
>>>O.k. now, but what about the monitor? Would it be advisable to
>>>switch off the monitor overnight (assuming that one does not work
>>>overnight...)?
>> 
>> Hmm, I wouldn't do that, for the same reason. BTW, if you are going to
>> switch the monitor off, why not shut down the CPU too?
>
>Well most of us turn our TV's on and off on a daily basis and their lifetime
>seems pretty reasonable to me. Monitors are much the same as TV's
>, and I treat mine the same way.
> CPU's? I don't know anybody who has had the CPU on his PC fail, at
>least not before same CPU became obsolete in the sense that it could be replaced
>with a faster, more capable model for a very small amount of money. It is DISKS
I bought an 80286 PC AT and had the motherboard fail after 1 year.
The computer no longer accepted input from the keyboard connector :-(
Rather than paying Packard Bell to fix it, I decided to build a new 386,
since prices had fallen a lot.

Of course, the motherboard had high integration, so I also had to buy new
IO boards :-(

However, I would have preferred to keep the 286 for a couple of years before
having to replace it!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (P. Takis Skagos)
Subject: OS/2 Icon problem.  UGH!!!  Information wanted ...
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 07:47:52 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada


Hello,

  I recently re-installed OS/2 and the Service Pack and I am experiencing a
bloody annoying problem.  I've created a shadow of one of the PROMPT icons
and then I went into SETTINGS and created another, customized, icon for 
it because the default icon looks pretty ugly.  Creating the new icon
works nicely (I save it as wp!1.ico), and it even alters the apperance of the
shadow and original, but when I double-click on the icon to open, say, a
windowed command prompt, and then minimize that windowed session, it doesn't
use my new icon ... it uses the default OS/2 icon.  Before I re-installed
OS/2 and the SP, everything worked fine ... my icon was used all the time,
not the OS/2 default.
  Any information on what's going wrong would be *greatly* appreciated.
  Thanks!

  P. Takis Skagos
  (skagos@cs.uregina.ca)

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Icon problem.  UGH!!!  Information wanted ...
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Dec28.205529.664096@sue.cc.uregina.ca> skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (P. Takis Skagos) writes:
>I recently re-installed OS/2 and the Service Pack and I am experiencing a
>bloody annoying problem.  I've created a shadow of one of the PROMPT icons
>and then I went into SETTINGS and created another, customized, icon for 
>it because the default icon looks pretty ugly.  Creating the new icon
>works nicely (I save it as wp!1.ico), and it even alters the apperance of the
>shadow and original, but when I double-click on the icon to open, say, a
>windowed command prompt, and then minimize that windowed session, it doesn't
>use my new icon ... it uses the default OS/2 icon.  Before I re-installed
>OS/2 and the SP, everything worked fine ... my icon was used all the time,
>not the OS/2 default.
>Any information on what's going wrong would be *greatly* appreciated.
>Thanks!

Known bug, that a non-PM program doesn't always pick up the correct
icon.  They expect to have it fixed in OS/2 2.1, from what I hear.
(Anyone want to check and see if the 2.1 beta has the problem?)

There is a workaround, but it is rather convoluted and I didn't bother
to write it down when I heard about it.  :-)  I think it involves
using START.

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From: Ed.June@iphase.infoserv.com (Ed June)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.infoserv.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: New Kernal for SP?
Date: 20 Dec 92  10:54:00 EST

Is there, or isn't there, a new kernal released after the SP, for the SP?
WHERE can this be obtained?

I need a dial up source, can't do ~ftps *8^(
CI$ wouldn't be a source for me either, too expensive...



   Ed June

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