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From: hxj6628@hertz.njit.edu (Alan Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help: Info. on Practical training
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:26:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Hi, folks,

    I need some help on the post--graduate practical
training, is it fixed to be one year? If I go into
practical training for  6 months then I go to
another schoool, how long will my practical training
period after I graduate? six months ( to make a year)
or one whole year?  any information will
be highly appreciated.
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:33:20
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
	<1992Aug27.002805.8376@news.acns.nwu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: passion.think.com
In-reply-to: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu's message of Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.002805.8376@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:


> Ok, I was talking about a group of anti-social people who will not
> fit in any societies. They will complain in all kinds of societies.
> It has nothing to do with whether they love their motherland or
> not. Their are simply losers. If you think you are among them, then
> I am sorry. If not, then welcome you to join in the discussion.

  I think that if you do not fit into any society, it is not
necessarily because you are anti-social.  A Chinese person that comes
to the US (or any country) needs to learn some American culture and
assimilate to some degree, in order to survive.  Of course each
different person assimilates differently, and by a different amount.


  But once you begin to do this, you may find your heart is somewhere
between Chinese and American cultures, and although you enjoy many
aspects of each culture, you also are not able to feel completely
comfortable in either society.  Once you reach that point, I think you
don't have much choice but to continue living by trying to enjoy the
best of both cultures, and accepting that you may not really fit into
either one.  Well, maybe others disagree, but that is how I feel about
it.

  Those people may complain about both cultures, but hopefully they
also have good things to say about them both as well.

--
Dave Hiebeler                  | hiebeler@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ffeng@cs.tamu.edu (Fang Feng)
Subject: Re: Can't get CND-globle news
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:04:32 GMT

I have the same problem. Can somebody point out the problem?

Fang Feng
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:11:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech (appr.):
 "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth in their
military chest
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO river or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. If destruction ever reach us, it must spring
up amongst us, we must be its author and finisher, as a 
country of free men, we must live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, if destruction be
our lot, we must be its author and finisher, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
is excited.:-) )

My questions:
1) Which is the original version (by Abraham Lincoln).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese stuff."
By the way, you are not related to CIT at all, are you?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA personel, CIA offered help to them, 
I really cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: More about toilet paper:-)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:36:00 GMT

In article <BtyK7E.n2D@acsu.buffalo.edu>, xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes...
>/* From the keyboard of lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) */:
>[ Research on toilet paper deleted ]
> 
>I wonder what lix's major is. Anybody knows?
> 
>The following is info I gather from scc: 
> 
>Eddie majors in bussiness 
>tuya majors in poetry under the supervision of Lin Meimei of HP
>Shi Cunde majors psychiatry
>Scott majors in Maoism
>Shannon majors in Chinese handwriting
>-- 
>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
>mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
>InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5
Have you figured out what my major is yet?  Since I am the one who first 
brought out the toilet paper issue, I do not think it is fair to attack 
Mr. Xiaowen Li? Thank you in advance if you could send those attack 
directly to my E-mail address.
From: zyou@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 12:04:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun99.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.224614.1005@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Well, Mr. You, don't forget that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were in the USSR  
>map for quite a long time. Does it really mean anything?! If you had asked the  
>USSR leaders then about these three countries, they would have certainly said:    
>"There is no question as USSR's sovereignty over these three countries. Any  
>discussion about minority rights shall be conducted in that framework!" Of  
>course they might even say: "Look, open your eyes big! If you dare to split our  
>socialist motherland, KGB will be waiting for you."
>

  Before those states got independence, there is no doubt about USSR's
sovereignty over those states. Those states later decided indepedence
after USSR collapsed. They became sovereignty countries.
  Your comparsion to Tibet does not make much sense. Tibet is still part
of China. China does hold sovereignty over Tibet. Why do you doubt it?


>Your last paragraph really spoke out what you really think of this issue. Yes  
>you will never give up your land even if this piece of land is obtained by  
>force. 


   I will never give up my land if the land  belongs to me by LAW.
                                                           =======
    The weakest person is the one who give up his property easily.

>
>Carl 
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:36:00 GMT

In article <65500075@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.053313.10212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>>Actually, both statement are true, Dalai Lama and most his followers
>>So were those christians who believed Jesus refused to punish the
>>Roman with storm. Do you know how many people they killed in the 
>>"Dark age". Whether Dalai is one of the salves holders is still a
>>a question for me?
> 
> 
>>>>Were slave holder, they kill their slaves and use their slave's blood 
>>> 
>>>This lie is so ridiculous it's pathetic.  You would have us believe that
>>>THe Dalai Lama, a man who opposes killing (it is completely against
>>>Buddha Dharma), has killed people and used their blood as a sacrifice?
> 
>>>You insult our intelligence.
>>> 
>>>P.S.  Please don't take this personally. I'm not calling you a liar since
>>>you probably believe this fiction created by your government.
> 
>Mr. Calvert's original post was not seen by me before, I still cannot
>find it.(It's that because of our system's problem?), Tibeta did practice
>slavery system, you like it or not, that is the fact, the USA practiced
>slavery just 150 years ago, you can not imagine that either, Dalai
>Lama did use the slave's blood as a sacrifice, you have difficulty
>to understand that? Christianality also opposes killing, so what?
> 
>Mr. Calvert should not trust his intelligence too much, should base
>his understanding on the fact, should read more history book published
>in your own country first. (In your words, the fiction produced by 
>your own government) 
> 
>Ze Yang
When I visited Qing Hai in 1984, I saw drum made of human skin and rice
bowl made of human bone!! Those were on exhibition. I was told that those
were made by the Slave Masters in old Tibet. I just do not believe that
this was a communist propaganda and those were actually made by somebody
else. What Dalai says today does not necessarily in accord with what he
did yesterday and what he will do tomorrow.
c.q.
From: mj05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MO JIANCHENG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for friends of Tsinghua
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:50:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I graduated in Electronic Engineering of Tshinghua Univ(P.R.China) in
1990. I know that lots of my old classmates are in US. Unfortunately, I don't
know their address or telphone numbers. If someone knows some information
about my old classmates, please send me E-Mail or call me. I am trying contact
them. Thank you!

Mo Jiancheng
Tel: 215-974-8774
E-Mail: MJ05@Lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:58:50 GMT

>dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>
>>Hey, guys and girls,
>
>>I think we have side-tracked.  My original post was a list of suggestions
>>on how to help China grow into a stronger superpower.
>
>>Then, people started flaming... and the discussion ended up another Tibet
>>debate.              ^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^

Look !  The flaming and the discussion are different things.  People
have the right to discuss anything if they can draw enough attention and
participation.  This is a discussion group which bears no responsibility
on how to make a super-power.  

Regards.
From: maochun@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU (Maochun Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China Forum-9/11
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:51:58 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yguo@cci632.cci.com (Yi Guo)
Subject: Re: Looking for VIRGIN chinese Girl
Summary: His name is Daniel Saltel.
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.031255.12329@ccu.umanitoba.ca> 
umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery "Daniel Saltel") writes:
>
>
>Looking for virgin chinese girl to break her seal. I cant marry a
>white bimbo. I need chinese pussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

Ask Mrs. Saltel to seal her p???? and you can break it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Flyer
Subject: Re: Do I need HK visa to go China ?
Followup-To: None
Organization: Myself
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:52:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215645.2995@ccu.umanitoba.ca> zuo@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Li Zuo
) writes:
>I am planing to have a round trip to
>China and I will transfer my flight
>at HongKong airport. Do I need to apply
>a HongKong visa if I just stay in airport
>? I hold a Chinese passport. Thanks for
>any help.

No. You don't need a British visa if you don't leave the airport. I came here
via Hongkong and I did not leave the airport during my stay there, so I did not
obtain the British visa.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:28:16 GMT

In article <31AUG199210140519@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> 
s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>
>I agree with you that your J-1 visa can be changed to H-1/F-1 was not the

I wish I had a J-1 to be changed so that I could have done something else
(such as crying hard to get two-year-home-stay-rule waived but failed to do 
so and then ass-kiss CCP :-) instead of playing arond on SCC for 5+ years, 
well, you didn't read SCC until 1989, did you?   And, you HAD to agree with 
me on that of my point, did you?  :-)

>result of the "Reform" policy of China. But, do not fool yourself. Chinese
>government has totally no control of your visa at all. What made your
>visa CONVERTABLE was the blood of your brothers and sisters, as well as
>the power struggle between the US Congress and the Administration.
>CORC (A Conservative Old-fashion Republican Communist, sounds wierd?)

So what!  So some CSS may raise their right hands to grab green card, and 
raise their left hands to ass kiss CCP/support "Deng's reform"/paint Deng as
an "innocent old man" in June 4th Beijing Massacre???  Are you one of them?

Read my message again!

>xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes...
>>
>>My feeling after reading the People's Daily news is exactly the same as 
>>that of mine when I read it before on same topics:  The further away 
>>(physically and geographically) a Chinese from the Communist party, the 
>>BETTER the party will treat the Chinese.  If the party has NO control of 
>>you, you'll be treated as "superior Chinese", if the party has full control 
>>of you, you are just a piece of Chinese sh*t in the eyes of the CCP!  
>>No wonder there are some Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai guys who stay overseas and 
>>ass kiss CCP :-)
>> 
>>Be serious, the question remains:  
>> 
>>Would there be such a "nice, loose and grace" policy towards overseas CSS
>>WITHOUT the lobby-for/passage-of Protection Bills by CSS in the U.S.A., 
>>Germany, Japan and Australia, and without the "Lenincy Program" offered to 
>>CSS by Canadian government????  
>> 
>>Remember how hard those J-1 students cried for elimination of their 
>>two-year-home-stay-requirement but got nowhere in 1987-1988 in the U.S. 
>>and the Chinese government then even tightened the policy towards 
>>overseas CSS ???
>> 
>>Please don't tell me that it's because of the "reform" in China or "support
>>Deng for his reform", that kind of garbage doesn't make your visa changed
>>from J-1 to H-1/F-1/greencard/be able to stay overseas :-)
>> 
>>And, it's really amazing to see some CSS raising their right hands to grab
>>green card, and raising their left hands to ass kiss CCP/support "Deng's
>>reform"/paint Deng as an "innocent old man" in June 4th Beijing Massacre.
>> 

Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

/* acf3:soc.culture.china / mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) /  3:54 pm  Aug 30, 1992 */
	There has been a lot of discussion on Tibet, but except for Joe
Wang's excerpt, very little citing of sources. I would very much like
to compile a list of books and articles on Tibet. I invite *EVERYONE* to
send me the names of books and articles which they think contain mostly
truth on the recent history of Tibet. 

	I welcome sources in any language.

	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

	Yang Ze
	Shi Chunde
	Brian Lin

	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
who asks for it.

Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

/* ---------- */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Re: Looking for VIRGIN chinese Girl
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.031255.12329@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery) writes:
>
>
>Looking for virgin chinese girl to break her seal. I cant marry a
>white bimbo. I need chinese pussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

I don't know any female chinese seal trainers, but I know where you could 
find a couple of nice walruses. (Watch the tusks).
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About "Chinese women today"
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:40:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) writes:
>  I am a Chinese man. Since you name youself Carl, I don't know if you are
> Chinese or not. Do you
>have the courage to use your real full name? Anyway, 
>if you are indeed a Chinese,
>you must have been related to at least a Chinese women. What has made you think
>that Chinese women are not as normal as Chinese men ?  Maybe you are having
>trouble to find a girl friend. Keep the problem to yourself, ask for help
>(probably I can help you) and don't attack Chinese women in general. 

Mr. Zhou, would you please not so brutally criticize Mr. Carl,  you
don't want to keep our very last gentleman, do you?
I am sure Mr. Carl is going to lose his temper, and say "What a personality!".

Ze Yang
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Subject: Re: What is love in Chinese sense.
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:27:22 GMT

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:



>(7). When a Chinese loves a non-Chinese (including Hongkonger and
>     Taiwanese), what is behind the love.

Hongkongese and Taiwanese are Chinese.


Li, Qiang
From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:07:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU's message of 31 Aug 92 03:47:00 GMT


Hi, netters,

I apologies for the previous posting "RE: Source on Tibet". Since a post with
the same topic from Yang Ze occured more than 10 times after I had seen this
post several times. I got uncomfortable on this and the content of the post, 
and made a post with some offensive words. 

After Yang Ze contacted with me, I realized that he didn't have any attention
to repost that thing so many times. I guess that maybe something is wrong. 

If any of netters happens to have the same situation, please be calm down 
unlike me :-)

Regards.
Yufeng Jing
COINS/UMass


In article <65500072@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
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   From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   Date: 31 Aug 92 03:47:00 GMT
   References: <1992Aug30.195414.8260@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
   Sender: notes@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Notes Person)
   Organization: New York University
   Lines: 7
   Nntp-Posting-Host: acf3.nyu.edu

   Some netter just send e-mail to me that on his system he can see
   as many as 14 copies of my first response, sorry for that, that's
   because of our system's problem, I just used the command to corect
   my article, I didn't expect it apperaed 14 times on the net.


   Ze Yang
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 14
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:02:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 14)

Between 1040 AD and 1049, in China, Tseng Kung-Liang publishes the first
recipes for three varieties of gunpowder.

Sometime between 1041 and 1048, Pi Sheng (a Chinese), an obsure
commoner, invents movable type (for use in printing).

On 4th July 1054, the supernova that now forms the Crab nebula is
observed in China, Japan and the Arab lands, it is visible for 22
months; Some Chinese books are printed with movable type between 1050
and 1059.

A Chinese Tseng Kung-Liang's Wu ching tsung yao (Compendium of important
military techniques) in 1084 describes magnetized iron "fish" that float
in water and can be used for finding south; about this time the Chinese
begin to use the compass for navigation, most likely using the iron "fish"

A Chinese Shen Kua's Dream pool essays of 1086 outlines the principles
of erosion, uplift, and sedimentation that are the foundation of earth
science; this book also contains the first known reference to the use of
magnetic compass for navigation.

In 1092, in China, Su Sung builds a giant water clock and mechanical
armillary sphere; it is considered the finest mechanical achievement of
the time.

In 1105, the Chinese build a pagoda 28 m (78 ft) high from cast iron,
each level cast as a single piece.
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