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From: kondaman@usc.edu (John Kondamani)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Wanted: headhunters operating in the Industrial Midwest and Atlanta
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:36:09 -0700
Organization: University of Southern Calif. Los Angeles CA.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

My friend is looking for jobs in Mechanical Engg & Aerospace. He has
significant experience with Aerospace companies. He is now looking to
network with headhunters who specialize in this area and who are
operating in the Midwest and Atlanta.

Please forward all your responses to me or post on the net.

Thanks, in advance
From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: interview question
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:16:13 GMT

guox@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Xuan-Hui Guo) writes:

> When I had interviews, people like to ask me if I have any other offer.
> I wonder whether they want to hear I said yes or not. Why do they want to
> know
> that? how does that contribute to the hiring decision?  Any insight is
> appreciated.
> 
> --
> XHGuo
I usually tell them that information is confidential.

olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
From: trevorl@spider.co.uk (Trevor Lyall)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Jobs in Sweden..
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:02:33 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Hello, this is my first posting to this group so apologies for any mistakes.

I am just about to go into my Honours year at Edinburgh University and I
plan on getting a job in Sweden. The reason for this post is that I would
like some contact addresses/names of companies in Sweden or an address where
I can get these names.

If it's any help at all in my third year I got a 2nd class merit for my
third year and the reason I wish to move over to Sweden is i) personnal and
ii) I love the country.

I apologise again if this is the wrong board.

All information is helpful.

Thanks in advance, Trev.

 

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Trevor Lyall : Spider Systems UK.   e-mail - trevorl@spider.co.uk
From: vernak@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Verna Knapp)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:19:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1729@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:
>Well, I hate to sound cynical, but the current system of management
>will continue to limp along until such time as it presents a *significant*
>barrier to keeping business profitable.  In other words, it "works" in
>that it keeps the bottom line mostly black and/or keeps the CEOs 
>earning their seven-figure salaries, so there's no incentive to change
>it.
>
>The other thing that may change the situation would be if a forward-
>thinking company were to harness remote workers in such a way as to
>provide them with a significant competitive advantage, such that other
>companies would then have to follow suit just to stay in business.
>I don't see *this* happening any time soon either...
>
>-- 
According to Paul and Sarah Edwards in their book "Working from Home"
there are some economic advantages to companies who allow their
workers to work at home. I am working from memory here as the
book is at home, but off the top of my head I remember them
saying their is an average increase in productivity per worker of
20% (it could have been more, I'm not sure, but it wasn't less than
that). Also, there is a saving on the cost of office space and
desks, chairs, etc. And phone and lights and heat for the space that
isn't there. There is also much lower turnover among home workers. 
It is just too hard to find another work at home job, so they 
tend to stay put. Also, working at home can be used as a reward
for good workers when you can't afford to give them more pay. It
can improve morale in times of downsizing. It is an advantage in
recruiting. 

Small at-home businesses are among the fastest growing segments
of the economy. The big guys are the ones downsizing. There might
just be some economic reasons for this ;-).

Verna Knapp
vernak@dancer.pen.tek.com
vernak@fenris.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ffitter@world.std.com (Fawn Fitter)
Subject: How did you get your current job?
Summary: Freelance writer needs networking stories from recent (last 3 yrs) coll
Keywords: networking
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:51:56 GMT

I'm writing an article for a publication called _Circle K_ which goes to
college students about to enter the job market.  I need to find at least
four or five recent (last 3 years) graduates who got their current jobs
through personal contacts, ie. networking.  
 If you found your current job through networking, please e-mail me at
ffitter@world.std.com with the details.  Be sure to include your full
name, school and year of graduation, and a way for me to contact you. 

Please do *not* post your responses here -- I am on a tight deadline and
need to hear from you by no later than 9/ 21!

Thanks.
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 10:38:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <!bqn2qr.aldridge@netcom.com>

Aren't you people who are saying that informing on the resume-poster was
rude or unethical jumping the gun?  A lot depends on the situation at the
organization.  For example, if the poster was critical to a new project
that was critical to the survival of the company, making sure that
management knows that he might be leaving is not at all unethical.  On
the other hand, if he is a faceless peon in a sea of cubicles, working on
something that management has completely forgotten about, reporting him
is rather petty and childish.

Most real cases will be somewhere in between.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jfr@glitter.RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Headhunter Fees ?
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:09:39 GMT

In article <stknrdc.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>
>I have a different approach to job hunting. It has been sucessful
>for me an the people that I have taught it to.
>
>First, I haven't heard you mention any professional associations.
>If this is the 4th largest city there should be a local chapter
>of something...Networking really helps in getting a job. 
 
  This is ABSOLUTELY TRUE!  It works in several ways.  First of all,
  it brings you into contact with people from other organizations who
  can help you with leads on who is hiring in their respective 
  industries.  Even better, if you make a good contact, you may find
  someone whose company is looking for an employee.  Most companies are
  very anxious to hire from employee referrels.  It reduces their fees
  to recruiters (and may somewhat effect your negotiating power in 
  discussing salaries, although good companies seperate recruiting
  and salary budgets to avoid salary creep when hiring directly -
  however you might be able to wangle a "hiring bonus" which is not
  part of your salary more easily if you come in through a referral).  
  It also lets them pay referral fees to employees.  And they tend
  to trust employee referrals, although this is not always a perfect
  idea.  The person you strike up an acquaintance with at a local
  user group meeting may be interested in the referral fee, but 
  also remember that your work will reflect on that person (fairly
  or not) so it is important to strive to do your best if you get
  the job.  

  My guess is that unemployed software people underutilize this avenue
  of recruiting by several orders of magnitude (i.e., only 1 out of
  100 really use it effectively).  

  Jon Rosen
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:20:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1696@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:


>misc.rural readers:  I'm redirecting followups to misc.jobs.misc
 accknowledged (tho i don't typically read it, i'll followup on this to there.

>to m.j.m readers as well...


>I'd *probably* be good at it, but I'm not sure.  (I keep having these
>nightmare visions of hanging out my shingle and having *ZERO* customers.
>"If you build it, they will come" does *NOT* work in business!).

and this is basically what i did for a couple of years, lean years,
very lean years. but i had one great garden :-)

[stuff deleted]
>I know, I know... I'm asking the corporate world to assume all the risk,
>while I reap the rewards, right?  Except I don't see it that way...

wrong! offer them what they want. if you can provide them with the support
they need at an interesting $$ rate, they will listen. (yea, yea, depending
on the job, thats a given) one of my contracts almost requires me to work
at their office 'cause i do micro support and vender bashing. the other 2
i can easily do from anywhere.

>encouraging working at home *can* bring rewards to a company (less
>frazzled workers, less need for parking and office space, more
>flexibility in corporate location, etc. etc. etc.).

and you need to be able to pitch these things to them and show them a cost 
savings.

>I think part of the problem is that working from home seems to many
>like a decadent luxury, and our work-ethic society just can't seem

like i said before, many will! be envious of this.

>to allow itself that.  Then again, once upon a time, it didn't allow
>itself the eight-hour workday either...

yes and it takes time (or in the case of la, bad air)

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: ron@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ron Hill)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: WANTED: PLACEMENT AGENCIES IN PORTLAND OR.
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:00:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailhub.ron.2
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.

Does anyone know of a reputable placement agency in Portland Or.?
I am interested in locating closer to family but have not been
successful due to the distance/recession/etc.

thanks,
Ron
----
Ron Hill	ron@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Subject: Re: How long before graduation to post resume?
Reply-To: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:05:50 GMT
Keywords: post resume advance

I'd start sending resumes out NOW.  I just graduated in May 92 and I sent 
out resumes from Sept 91 on.  On-campus interviews and replying to ads
in the newspapers got me a total of 3 job offers in about 9 months.  So
i'd suggest starting ASAP.  Also, go to as many interviews as you can...
they're great practice even if you're not interested in the job.  Coming 
across well in the interview is just as important as your education
and experience...Good luck
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke)
Subject: Re: "full tuition reimbursement" ??
Organization: National Science Center Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:21:31 GMT
	<1992Sep12.163020.21208@athena.cs.uga.edu>
	<1992Sep14.143545.1@wharton.upenn.edu>

In article <1992Sep14.143545.1@wharton.upenn.edu> treubert@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.163020.21208@athena.cs.uga.edu>, bday@athena.cs.uga.edu (bday) writes:

>>       "full tuition reimbursement for major university"

>You should always check with the company ahead of time about this because
>some companies will only reimburse you if you take classes somewhat related
>to your career.

Also, some (many? most?) companies require a certain grade.

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From: pan@auvax1
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: A word of encouragement to new grads/F1 students
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:54:12 GMT
Organization: Adelphi University

In article <1992Sep10.011811.13915@utagraph.uta.edu>, xxmjh@utacnvx.uta.edu (Min-Jeun Hwang) writes:
> 
> My brother wants me to post the following message for him.
> 
> *----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 
> Hi.  I just would like to share with the net my job hunting experience 
> through the usenet news group misc.jobs.offered.
> 
> Although I have started responding to job postings as early as Feb. '92,
> I've only recently graduated this August with a MS degree in CS.  Within
> a month of my graduation (Aug. 15th), I received an offer from a very 
> good software company in Palo Alto, CA.  (YES!!! the Silicon Valley!!!)
> 
> It only took them 12 days to make me the offer.  The 12 days included 
> 2 email correspondences, 2 over-the-phone interviews (in-depth and 
> technical), check out my references, flew me in to their office for 
> some more interviews (lasted the whole day).  They made the job offer,
> and of course I accepted it.
> 
> So keep it up, folks!  The medium does work.  Don't get discouraged 
> when you don't hear from a few companies ...  Sometime (OK, a lot of 
> times) the person handling the hiring is just overwhelmed with the 
> number of applicants ...  I can't say that I never felt discouraged 
> or frustrated, but I've always believe that I'll find a good Software
> Engineering position.  Many of my friends had suggested that I apply
> to PhD work as a second choice or apply to those insurance companies ...
> I know that I want to stay in the UNIX world with real software 
> development work and will be unhappy with the PC stuff ...  Hey, just 
> prepare yourself well in the field that you are interested in and with 
> some luck you'll find the kind of job you want.
> 
> And for those of you who are F-1 students, there are jobs out there 
> for you too.  Just prepare yourselves well, because I am currently 
> still under F-1 visa and the company has agreed to process the permanent
> papers for me!  If I can do it, so can you ...
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> - Michael Hwang
> 
> *----------------------------------------------------------------------*
This is a very good word and it will encourage me further to fight for a
position. I do have very good experiences in my field ( electrical engineering
) and am confident that I will finally get a result.>
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: "full tuition reimbursement" ??
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:48:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Sep12.163020.21208@athena.cs.uga.edu> bday@athena.cs.uga.edu (bday) writes:
>
>This line appeared in a job announcement on misc.jobs.offered.entry.
>It was right after the salary, with the benefits.
>      "full tuition reimbursement for major university"
>What does this mean?
>+ Bea

Well, it looks obvious, although it could be interpreted two
ways.  It either means that they will refund your entire
tuition for your college years if they hire you [this is
doubtful], or it probably means that they will reimburse
your tuition costs as you attend school after they hire
you.  
This is the most likely scenario.
--Keith

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (yzg9890)
Subject: Information needed for CDI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:02:39 GMT

Does anybody out there has any experiences with CDI Computer Services, a
Michigan based company?  I have an opportunity to work for them, but I
don't have any idea about this company. Any information about the company,
like credit, salary, benifit will be greatly appreciated.


yz

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rantonov@nyx.cs.du.edu (Roumen Antonov)
Subject: Jobs for eastern-europeans?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 17:48:34 GMT


Sorry if a similar posting has appered before -- I haven't seen it.
Any headhunters of companies willing to employ (or at least considering
that it might be worth trying to) scientists and engineers from Eastern Europe?
US, Europe, Canada, Australia - I would want to get a broader survey.

Sure it's a hell more difficult to employ a foreigner, not to mention --
from the former ``enemies''. If in spite this you know something --
please E-mail me. If many people request the information I'll get -- I'll post
a summary. 

Thanx in advance!
R.
(rantonov@nyx.cs.du.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sturges@master.lds-az.loral.com (Jim Sturges)
Subject: Re: Some Recruiters etc in Phoenix
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: Loral Defense Systems - Arizona
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:29:24 GMT

In article <5SEP199215371429@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>,
dfriedman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (D R Friedman) wrote:
> 

> CAUTION
> 
> Arizona is not a very good place to work even when the economy is robust.
> It is a right to work state and there is no labor law and it is legal
> in Arizona to be fired for bad cause, good cause, or no cause.  If you
> are expecting a wage scale like those in the Midwest or Back East or
> California, forget it.  Also the taxes are high and the educational
> system is mediocre at best.  Also Arizona is heavily dependent on the
> fortunes of the US defense industry and with the down sizing of the
> military there are going to be a lot more Arizonans collecting
> unemployment.  The maximum the state of Arizona pays for unemployment
> is $ 145/week.
> 
> A lot of technical people like  myself have had it with Arizona and are
> leaving.  If you are a golf caddy or waiter or bar tender or bell hop
> then maybe ARizona is right for you and the resort type of state it is
> becoming catering to rich retired and Japanese tourists.
> 
=====================================
This guy is absolutely ***right on*** . PLEASE make sure you avoid Arizona.
Our traffic is horrible; average highway speed is only 40-50 during rush
hour. It is really-really hot here in July and August, which doesn't make
up for the other ten months of the year when the range is 50-70. Houses are
really cheap,
and even though you can get twice the house for half the price, compared to
"the Midwest or Back East, or California," the high taxes -- $1200/year on
a $150K
house, and 25% of your Fed tax to the state -- are really killers.

Moreover, we have people who work for the state, using state computers at
state universities, who talk bad about the area on international networks.
These same guys who work for the universities also will tell you how bad
the education system is, here. Since they make the places what they are,
they
surely should know how well they're doing.

This is definitely a really bad place. Don't come here. Stay away,
preferably
in large groups.
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Yesterday I was a dog.  Today I'm a dog.  Tomorrow I'll probably still
be a dog. Sigh!  There's so little hope for advancement.
                -- Snoopy

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602 925-7204                            Loral Defense Systems -- Arizona
602 925-6988 Fax                        P.O. Box 85
sturges@master.lds-az.loral.com         1300 S. Litchfield Rd.
CIS: 72470,3117                         Goodyear-Avondale, AZ  85338
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted.
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:41:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In an article, ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>Aren't you people who are saying that informing on the resume-poster was
>rude or unethical jumping the gun?  A lot depends on the situation at the
>organization.  For example, if the poster was critical to a new project
>that was critical to the survival of the company, making sure that
>management knows that he might be leaving is not at all unethical.

I disagree with this. Regardless of how "critical" the project was, it
was the *poster's* responsiblity to inform his manager that he was looking
around (and the details are strictly between those two people).  To be
blunt, it was none of the co-worker's damn business in the first place,
and second-rate rationalizations (ie: it was for the good of the company)
don't wash in my opinion.

-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
(Just trying to keep things fresh, unlike Ann Landers, which I have on
authority has been getting rather stale lately)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Job in UNIX vs OS/2 world.
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:35:20 GMT

In article <FRANCIS.92Sep1124922@galois.dogwood.atl.ga.us> francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.123823.25049@hemlock.cray.com> bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes:
>>Not to raise a flame, but how are your measuring marketshare growth.  I know
>>that OS/2 sold 1,000,000 copies in its first four months and did another
>			  ^^^^^^
>
>Keep in mind that Unix may sell one copy, but get a hundred users.

OS/2 has been vaporware for years. Now I wonder how many users Linux has
without any marketing other than word of mouth? If OS/2 is so great why
does everyone I talk to want Linux or BSD386 and make puking sounds when
IBM or microsoft is mentioned?
Why is the place I'm currently applying at moving to unix (or clones) on
there PC's rather than OS/2?  
Why is OS/2's high performance file system slower than Linux's low
performance file system?
Why does Linux run on systems that OS/2 blows up on when IBM has infinite
money to throw at it?
Why is OS/2 in assembly code?

:-)
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From: rgacek@wam.umd.edu (Randall A. Gacek)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Salaries for SQA jobs
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:25:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Originator: rgacek@rac2.wam.umd.edu

Randall Gacek 
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From: kalam@aludra.usc.edu (Kamran Alam)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Some Recruiters etc in Phoenix
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:49:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


In article <sturges-090992112906@158.185.20.244> sturges@master.lds-az.loral.com (Jim Sturges) writes:
[Deleted]
>=====================================
>This guy is absolutely ***right on*** . PLEASE make sure you avoid Arizona.
>Our traffic is horrible; average highway speed is only 40-50 during rush
>hour. 

Jim, I think you shouldn't be complaining about rush hour traffic. Here
in L.A. average rush hr speed would be around 40-50 too (yards per hour). 

Kamran Alam
kalam@usc.edu