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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:24:42 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using MARK, COPY, and PASTE.
              8 Apr 1992 13:05:54 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:05:54 CDT Richard A. Schafer said:
>Richard, the pasting treats the text as just a stream, ignoring linends,
>much like cut/paste does in your basic word processor.
>
>Richard
(Too many Richards :-)

     So this means that  I essentially have to copy and paste one line at a
time if I want to get some reasonable format, right? :-(

     Also, a question: where are the buffers that are built for cut/copy, and
do they take up any usable space (either disk or storage)?  And is there a
way to bring back buffer '2' if '6' is my current one?

Thanks,
Rich
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:01:02 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Thoughts about Mail 92
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  You know that box that comes up and says 'index being built' and then
presents you with some buttons to cancel or continue?  Part of my
confusion there is that the msg says 'is being built' so why should I
have to press either of the buttons?  After sitting and waiting awhile I
remember that I have to.  Maybe this should read 'is going to be built'
or some such.

  I really dislike all those help files that show just one liners and I
'always' end up pressing PF1 to see the meat.  Is there an option to
force it to ALL?

  I still get times when the cp msg window comes up and won't go away.
Pf keys for quit or cancel aren't even displayes as being set in the
window.

  I still find that I NEED a way on the menu to see who sent the mail
after I have read it (or put it into another notebook).  For some reason
I like to continue seeing that a mail item is from MAILBOOK or where
ever.  The data is there in the UNREAD index, but I don't see a way to
stop the FROM field from being changed to the from line of the note.
And all the other NOTEINDX files just have 'unknown'.

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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:43:20 +0300
From:         "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: mail92 & log in notebook
              14 Apr 92 11:27:14 EDT from <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

On Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:27:14 EDT Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI) said:
>I have found that usage of the NOTEBOOK tag in NAMES files just isn't
>worth it. You are also slowing mail down by increasing the size of your
>NAMES file (single largest slowdown for large collections of nicknames,
>the 2 names files I use add up to over 1000 entries and it is quite
>noticable how much this slows things down, so I very much try to only
>have 1 entry for any one person). You could avoid the problem by eliminating
>the usage of the notebook tag and issuing a LOG <notebook_fileid> command
>by hand instead. Works like a charm for me.

You could also alleviate the problem significantly by utilizing an indexing
scheme for your NAMES file(s).  We use TAGSREAD (available on NETSERV) and
have modified the NAMES command (in X$NAME$X XEDIT) to automatically rebuild
the index on exit from NAMES if there was any Add, Change, or Delete function
invoked.  MAILNAME XEDIT (used to add an entry to the NAMES file) also has
such a mod.  Invoking TAGSREAD from SYSPROF EXEC causes it to install itself
as a nucleus extension for NAMEFIND.

- Lawrence
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:01:38 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mail 92.01.01 shipped

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:32:27 CDT <GLWARNER@SAMFORD> said:
>Thanks Richard.
>
>I hope you are not getting sick of all of us.  I know the most disheartening
>thing to me is THINKING I am done with a project and then having the users
>inform me that it is far from finished!  Thanks for taking the time to fix,
>and especially so quickly, all the bugs we reported and the changes we
>suggested.

Admittedly it is a bit disheartening to find a bunch of bugs in code
that you were sure was sound, but that's life, I guess.  However,
I'm going on vacation May 1, not to return until May 26.  I
absolutely promise to forget about the existence of electronic mail
for my entire vacation.  (And when I get back, don't expect to get
any responses to *anything* for a while, until I can drain the swamp. :-)

I've got my passport ready, and can't wait to get going!

Richard
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:38:10 EDT
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MAILBOOK
              14 Apr 1992 11:34:54 CDT from <DARREN@UA1VM.UA.EDU>

>until I forwarded the note. I think all the addresses should be
>shown when in read mode.
You can do that w/ an option setting, but if you were reading mail
with (literally) hundreds of RFC822 header lines (as I find myself
often doing... QuickMail and a few other sources tend to generate
these) then it becomes much less desireable to see all the header
lines in read mode (pf8 pf8 pf8 pf8... I KNOW there MUST be some real
message in this file somewhere.... :-).
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:34:29 CDT
From:         CCGREG@UMCVMB.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Including entries from notebooks in mail body.

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:39:28 EDT Richard Seifert, Jr. said:
>For example, if he wants to include related mail messages from other
>other people in a mail message that he is sending to someone, is it possible
>to bring up a notebook, somehow mark the relevant items, and call a macro
>(or whatever) to include those items in his current mail message.

I gather Mailbook's "Forward" command is not sufficient in this case.
One could use MAILBOOK & Xedit's PUT & GET commands....  Oh, you said "easy"?

There are several CUTPASTE utilities for XEDIT floating around the net.
Tell your nearest Netserv (e.g., TELL NETSERV AT BITNIC) "GET CUTPASTE
XEDIT" and "GET CUTPASTE HELPXEDI".  (I think that's where you'll find it,
the net is to slow for me to verify that right now.)

I will send you and anyone else who asks a "GETB XEDIT" command which is
easy to use for the purpose you describe, without the complications CUTPASTE
might present.  You type "GETB fn ft fm" on the command line.  This brings
up the specified file, with the prefix area enabled.  It prompts you to mark
the first & last lines of the file with "GB" ("GBnn" is also allowed).  Once
you do this, it returns you to the original file and enables the prefix area,
prompting you to mark the destination of the block with a "GBF" or "GBP".
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:06:50 PST
From:         John Wical <UNCJWI@LLUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mail92 & log in notebook
              14 Apr 1992 11:27:14 EDT from <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:26:35 +0300 Lawrence S. Kalman said:
>Without promising a delivery date, I intend to provide a modification to
>RiceMail which will re-parse the header lines only if there were changes made
>to the header "manually", i.e., other than via INCLUDE, EXCLUDE, etc.

   is there a way to turn off the re-parse?

John
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:05:41 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Including entries from notebooks in mail body.

What an interesting idea!  Just off the top of my head, a way of doing
this would be a macro which read the index file for that notebook,
allowing you to select an item, then GET the appropriate piece of the
notebook into the mail file.

Richard
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:18:53 PST
From:         John Wical <UNCJWI@LLUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CUA

What is CUA?

John Wical
Loma Linda University
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:37:13 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mail 92.01.01 shipped
              12 Apr 1992 13:25:21 +0300 from <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>

Because I managed to leave this out of the distributed copy, here are the
details that *should* have been in the MAIL92 CHANGES file:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following is a list of known changes in MAIL and MAILBOOK for
Version 92 at the 92.01.01 fix level:

Enhancements:

1. Menu sorting is now more flexible, and closer to CUA 91.

2. 3 new exit points were added (PREMENU, PREREAD, and PRESEND),
   which can be called *before* the windowed options are checked.

3. The "enter name" window now includes the nodename as well as the
   userid.

Bugs Fixed:

1. A missing comma caused MAILBOOK to not show the Subject field on
   the default menu display.

2. CMS 5 systems prior to the IBM PUT level which added the SET OLDCMDS
   commands could not run MAIL or MAILBOOK.

3. The NOSCREEN option caused a NoValue condition to be raised.

4. CMS Fullscreen should be suspended when HELP is called to avoid
   problems.

5. The Notebook limit window option did not have a large enough entry
   field, and the NONE value was not always treated correctly for it
   and the Menu Size Limit option.

6. The NOPROMPT option was being ignored in some places, allowing
   undesired prompting.

7. CMS Fullscreen does not pop windows correctly, so we have to
   circumvent the problem.

8. FULLSCREEN SUSPEND is forced for RDRLIST and FILELIST

9. The SUBJECT command cleared the existing subject if the Cancel
   action was taken.  Also, the entry field was not filled in with
   the previous subject.

10. If the user cancelled building the index for a notebook into which
   logging was being done, the note was not logged, but the user was
   not notified of this.

11. Setting options for a mode not current was being done incorrectly.

12. Colors were not validity checked, and changes did not always
    affect everything appropriate for a given color.

13. The FILE subcommand did not give a message saying what it was
    doing.

14. Entry fields in a window were not being truncated to the field
    length correctly.  The PFn options were not parsed correctly.
    The cursor was not consistently placed when a pulldown was cancelled.

15. The user's virtual printer was forced to CONT unnecessarily.

16. File selection secondary windows were not handling default files
    correctly.

17. Header hiding caused Reply-To headers not to be honored at times.

18. The syntax of a notebook fileid was not checked, causing problems
    if the user tried to log into an invalid fileid.

Richard
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:18:18 PST
From:         John Wical <UNCJWI@LLUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      mail92 & log in notebook

   I have 2 nicknames for one person, each nickname with a different notebook.
I choose the nickname for the person based on where i want the mail to be
logged, which is based on the subject matter.  This has worked fine for me
in the previous version of mail.
   With MAIL92, i find that the mail is logged in the notebook specified
in nickname number 1, even when nickname number 2 is used.
   How can I solve this?

John Wical
Loma Linda University
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:05:54 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Using MARK, COPY, and PASTE.

Richard, the pasting treats the text as just a stream, ignoring linends,
much like cut/paste does in your basic word processor.

Richard
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:38:06 EDT
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thoughts about Mail 92
              14 Apr 1992 10:01:02 EST from <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>

>  I really dislike all those help files that show just one liners and I
>'always' end up pressing PF1 to see the meat.  Is there an option to
>force it to ALL?
In CMS: EXEC DEFAULTS SET HELP ALL

>  I still find that I NEED a way on the menu to see who sent the mail
>after I have read it (or put it into another notebook).  For some reason
>I like to continue seeing that a mail item is from MAILBOOK or where
>ever.  The data is there in the UNREAD index, but I don't see a way to
>stop the FROM field from being changed to the from line of the note.
>And all the other NOTEINDX files just have 'unknown'.
You could always issue your own XEDIT VERIFY command for the MENU to get
the fields you want displayed (the original sender's userid&node as set
in the CP TAG info and saved into the index for just in case there is no
RFC822 FROM header info). 'unknown' is for index's that are built after
the fact (and thus the information is nolonger available).
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:21:37 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      ANONYMOU FTP of SHARE tools tape at KSUVM gets better
X-To:         vm utilities list <vm-util@OHSTVMA.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
              XEDIT discussion list <xedit-l%uga.uga.edu@vm1.nodak.edu>,
              rexx-l%uiucvmd.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu, vmsys-l@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              TNT discussion list <tnt-l%umab@cunyvm.cuny.edu>,
              cms pipes list <cmspip-l%marist.bitnet@uga.cc.uga.edu>,
              Rice Mail <mailbook%ricevm1.bitnet@ricevm1.rice.edu>,
              PROFS discussion <profs-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>,
              rexxlist%ucf1vm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

  As some of you are aware, KSUVM.KSU.EDU has had available an anonymous
FTP to the the SHARE and Waterloo tools tapes.  This service has just
gotten better with the addition of a VMARC'd list of the contents of the
WORKxx.VMARC files, similiar to the TAPE MAP output.  GET TOOLLIST.VMARC
to see exactly what is in all those WORKxx.VMARC files.

  And thanks to Brick Verser <BAV@KSUVM.KSU.EDU> for doing this.

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Mattes      | President 1951-70, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:07:51 EST
From:         Stan Horwitz <OASIS@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dreams
              10 Apr 92 15:00:21 EST from <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>

On Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:00:21 EST Scott Mattes said:
>Richard,
>  That is THE Richard.  How much would it cost to have a site option
>that would be used to say INTERNET.ONLY NO/YES Gateway and BITNET.ONLY
>NO Gateway?
>
>  I have this connectivity problem.  We are Internet only.  I talk with
>some that are BITNET only.  And others that are ambi.  If someone sends
>me mail from a BITNET only site their address is of course BITNET format
>which gets rejected when I reply.  On some sites that are ambi the users
>might not know to change, etc.
>
>  The above options would, when replying, 'fix' the outgoing addresses
>such that USERID@NODE would become USERID%NODE@Gateway.  Then the user
>does not have to remember to doctor all notes and/or manually fix the
>rejected notes.  These options should only be recognized by the MAILSYS
>(though I wouldn't argue if anyone saw a use for the user being able to
>change their own settings).

Perhaps I  am wrong, but it  seems reasonable that your  system's mailer agent
should be smart  enough to route mail appropriately.  The  systems people here
at Temple  have not set up  our mailer that way,  but I'me pushing to  have it
configured  so  users can  send  mail  to  Internet  or Bitnet  nodes  without
explicitly telling the  computer which network is being used.   It seems to me
that a  computer should be  able to  figure out for  itself how best  to route
mail.  That's what computers are for.  :) We are on both networks and I expect
that a  properly running system should  be able to determine  which network is
best suited for routing a user's mail.   I don't know how other ambi sites are
dealing  with this  problem, but  here, I  have a  great amount  of difficulty
getting users  to know the difference  between Bitnet and Internet.   The flaw
isn't in Richard's mail program or with that of users, but with computers that
don't know that they can talk to two or more different networks.

Stan Horwitz
Listserv Postmaster
Temple University
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:18:08 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: I thought this discussion list had archives
              8 Apr 1992 22:26:53 EDT from <Larry.H.Bradley@NRC.CA>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:26:53 EDT <Larry.H.Bradley@NRC.CA> said:
>Richard, why did you remove UTORONTO as a peer? There are a lot of
>         Canadian sites that get this stuff, and having the peer
>         here should cut down traffic.

Given that the list mailings are handled via the LISTSERV DIST2
distribution mechanism, the peer at UTORONTO really didn't change
the list traffic flow in any substantial way whatsoever.  In fact,
there are really not a lot of reasons for multiple peers these days.

Richard
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:03:49 LCL
From:         Network Manager <NETMAN@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      SET SYNONYM ON/OFF

A little oddity.  When you enter MAIL or MAILBOOK and first see the
menu SYNONYM is set OFF.  After reading an item and returning to
the menu SYNONYM is set ON.


Glenn A. Malling (NETMAN@SUVM) or netman@suvm.acs.syr.edu
Computing & Network Services   +1 (315) 443-4111
Machinery Hall
Syracuse University
Syracuse, New York 13244-1260
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:39:28 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Including entries from notebooks in mail body.

     My BOSS came to me with an interesting question earlier today.  He was
wondering if it was possible to somehow, as automatically as possible, include
random entries from a given notebook (or notebooks) into the mail body to be
sent out.  For example, if he wants to include related mail messages from
other people in a mail message that he is sending to someone, is it possible
to bring up a notebook, somehow mark the relevant items, and call a macro (or
whatever) to include those items in his current mail message.  I thought it
was a rather interesting question.

     Does anyone out there have any suggestions, ideas, or whatnot.  Or is
this something that I should undertake to develop?  Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Rich


Richard Seifert, Jr                    BITNET---MAINT@CLVM
Systems Programmer/Postmaster/NAd      INTERNET-MAINT@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU
Educational Resources Center
Clarkson University
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:38:58 CST
From:         James Johnson <JOHNSON@CMSUVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mail'92 Malfunction ???

On Fri, 3 Apr 1992 19:42:09 MEX Felipe De la O Zamorano said:
>
>  1000 +++    If^mail_option.cmswindows
>   693 +++  Call StopCMSFullScreen
>Error 34 running MAILB00K XEDIT, line 1000: Logical value not 0 or 1
>Ready;
>
>Please: Can someone tell me how may I to correct it ???
>Any help and suggestions will be higly appreciated.
>Thanks in advance.
>Felipe.


We had the same problem. We obtained a new copy of MIAL92 and reinstalled it.
That corrected the problem.

James Johnson                               BITNET: johnson@cmsuvma
Systems Programmer                          VOICE:  816-543-8065
Central Missouri State Univerisity          FAX:    816-543-4959
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:29:34 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      More CUTPASTE errors
X-To:         Rice Mail <mailbook%ricevm1.bitnet@ricevm1.rice.edu>

  When I mark the second part of what I will CUT I get the following
msgs;

Place markers presently at: 30,6 & 32
No such subcommand: ,

  Now I am up to 3 items on my clipboard, but where is the clipboard?
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:16:02 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Dreams
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              10 Apr 1992 23:07:51 EST from
              <OASIS%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

>>Richard,
>>  That is THE Richard.  How much would it cost to have a site option
>>that would be used to say INTERNET.ONLY NO/YES Gateway and BITNET.ONLY
>>NO Gateway?
>>
>>  I have this connectivity problem.  We are Internet only.  I talk with
>>some that are BITNET only.  And others that are ambi.  If someone sends
>>me mail from a BITNET only site their address is of course BITNET format
>>which gets rejected when I reply.  On some sites that are ambi the users
>>might not know to change, etc.

  So far the responses I have received about this think that the mail
agent should take care of this for me.  We have FAL 2 and so I ask (not
being the commo guru) does SMTP do this?

  My feeling is that the user should be able to control that (the closer
to the original decsion maker is a better place for an assumption to be
made, ie.  If there is an assumption being made I want to make it and to
be conscious of having made it).

  So far only two have offered opinions.

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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:41:04 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Index Prompt in 92.01.01

What I will do is create an option specifying the size above which the
prompt will occur for proceeding with the index creation, allowing a
way to specify that no prompting should ever occur.

Something like

   INDEX.SIZE.PROMPT = nn / NONE

   where no prompting will be done if the size of the notebook is < nn
                      will ever be done if NONE

Richard
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