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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Keywords: The Big Ten sucks.
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:38:53 GMT


|> No kidding!  It's especially ridiculous that the Big Ten will probably
|> have as many or more teams in bowls than the PAC-10.  Every time I hear
|> about Iowa going to the Copper Bowl at 6-5 I cringe, knowing that WSU is
|> more deserving.  Even if we lose the Apple Cup, at 7-4, we're still better
|> than Iowa.  I'll take our PAC-10 teams against those good-for-nothing
|> Big Ten teams anyday.  Unfortunately, how good you are seems to have nothing
|> to do with it, and to make matters worse, people around here don't seem to
|> be aware of that... even the WSU newspaper showed the Cougars in the Copper
|> Bowl Slot in its little 'projected bowl matchup' section.  I think a lot of
|> people are going to be disappointed... especially if we somehow *do* upset

   Put your money where your disappointment is.  If 6-5 B10 teams weren't
   the teams going to the minor bowls rather than WSU and Eastern Kentucky,
   there wouldn't be minor bowls.  There is no tax deduction for the charity
   of putting on a bowl between two 7-4 teams.  Sure it's about money.  If 
   these other schools had the fan support the B10 has, they would go to more
   little bowls.  But they apparently don't care, unlike B10 fans. This 
   situation is a definite vote for the B10 fans loyalty, and desire to
   get the heck out of the midwest in Dec for any reason.

|> the Huskies and *still* don't go to a bowl, at 8-3.
|> 
|> Let me just add that even though I am obviously not a Husky fan, once the
|> Apple Cup is over, I will be counting the days until the Rose Bowl, so we
|> can see the Dawgs wipe the field with an overrated Michigan team, and show
|> just how pathetic the Big Ten really is.
|> 
|> Jim
|> -- 
|> Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
|> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
|> EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
|> Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
|> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:37:01 GMT

In article <BxvC1A.1rC@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>In <1992Nov17.035732.580@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>| Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>| still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>| significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>| They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>| against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>| up any chance to win the MNC.
>| 
>| ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>| Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>| USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>| the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...
>| 
> 1. ND played Michigan for a tie.

Not true.  Has been discussed at length before.

> 2. ND has a loss, Michigan doesn't.

True.

> 3. Lou's headlock on the Ref.

Irrelevant.  Also has been discussed at length.

> 4. ND's fake punt when they were ahead 37-0 over BC.

Also irrelevant.  Moreover, your implication that ND was trying to run it
up to satisfy the MO' POINTS voters is wrong.  It was the first drive of
the second half.  After blowing big leads at home in recent years, it
stands to reason to try to keep momentum in the early part of the third
quarter.

> 5. ND is the most hated team in football.

Could be a reason to keep them below Michigan in the polls, but much more
likely that #2 above is the real reason.

> 6. All of the above.
>
>


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:17:48 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bruins beat USC (38-37)

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.college: 23-Nov-92 Re: Bruins
beat USC (38-37) by @garnet.berkeley.edu 
> USC did not deserve to win if it gave up 30+ points to a team that scored
> a combined 3 points against the two Arizona teams.

    If you had any real rivalry games, (getting smashed by Stanford
every year doesn't count), you'd realize that these two teams play
virtually equally every year for this game.  I've been to Cal-Stanford
games, and I can guarantee you there isn't the psychological power and
simple noise that goes on at the SC-UCLA game every year.  This always
plays a major major factor.

-Scott

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com (John Phillips)
Subject: Re: A&M beats TCU...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>Mark Weyland writes:
> 	I deserved that, nothing personal to most of the FSU supporters.  
>If we meet again I think we found our offense, I'm glad we found Corey 
>Pullig when we did.
>***May the best team win the MNC***

Agreed. A&M's offense is much improved this year and the credit should go
to Pullig. I don't think the defense is as good as last year's, but that 
is no knock considering that last year's defense was brutal. The Houston
performance was sub-par but A&M should not have been penalized in the polls.
Lots of good teams flounder with weak opponents before taking control. I 
don't know if A&M was fired up enough ( did they realize all the voters
sit around with nothing to watch but one game on Thursdays?). Despite this,
the overall defensive performance in this game should be worrysome to A&M
fans.
J.P.
From: morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:12:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: borg.17646

In article <1992Nov17.014009.16608@ccad.uiowa.edu>, tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
|>
|> 	Yeah, right!  They way things are going over in the
|> WAC, that school won't deserve to be there either.

Are you Hawkeyes still whining about playing a "pathetic" WAC team?
Or was last year not enough for you?

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-21-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:48:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.204524.26798@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:
>In article <By6q1y.Mw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>A good day for the homestanders, a bad day for the pickers...
>>Betz		0-1
>                  ^ 
>yowza!  don't we get 1/2 credit for a tie??? 

	I'm a hard ass...

>>Results of November 21 (End of Regular Season)
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>hard to believe another big-10 race is wrapped up already.  my
>heartiest thanks to randy for another fine season of big-10 (p)reviews.
>r.s.f.c. is a better place due to such quality!

	Thanks.  It's always a pleasure...

>randy: thanks for not posting our prediction records (or was that
>forthcoming???).  i'm sure most of us would rather not know how
>we did...(grin)... 

	They've been permanently relocated to dev/null...
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| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:45 CST  

In article <1992Nov23.184031.19490@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes...
>In article <23NOV199210425756@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov  
>(WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,  
>jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes...
>> >Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
>> >best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> The Fightn' Texas Aggie Band has NEVER lost a halftime!!!
> 
>Is that because there aren't any ranked bands on your schedule?
> 

	They were ranked but only in the CNN/Coaches poll.

GIG'EM  AGS!!!

Mark Weyland
Texas A&M University - Class of '88

>--
>************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
>Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
>Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser)
Subject: Re: Projected bowl matchups
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:22:27 GMT

In article <Nov.18.14.45.01.1992.7251@charon.rutgers.edu>, subhas@charon.rutgers.edu (Subhasish Roy Choudhury) writes:
<stuff deleted> 
> 13. Blockbuster   Penn State *     vs.   Colorado
>                                          (B8 No. 2)
>                                          (No. 2 Coalition II)
> 
<more stuff deleted>

This is interesting.  Everyone out here is talking about going to the
Fiesta vs. Syracuse (unless I'm not up to date) if we beat ISU.

If no Fiesta, I don't think Blockbuster would be smart to take Colorado.  I
don't think there would be too many fans who would travel down there,
based on the inablilty for CU to sell very many tickets last year
(2,800??)  Call it arrogance, but my impression is that if it isn't
the Orange Bowl, CU Fans don't want to go to Miami because the cost
to go now is way too high.  Nebraska fans probably started making plans
about 5 min. into the Colorado game, and those who didn't do it then
started calling about 5 min. into the Kansas game.

And then they panicked just a little about 5 min. into the 4th qtr of ISU
:-)

Fiesta has been wanting to get Colorado for a while, but they keep going
elsewhere.  I think lots of fans would drive down to AZ (I will !)
Colorado doesn't deserve to go anywhere near the state of Florida.

Matt Weiser
weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com
Go Buffs!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Non-Conf records
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.205754.23615@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> peavy@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (R. Marshall Peavy) writes:
>Does anyone out there have overall Non-Conf records for the PAC-10 and the
>BIG-10?  
>
>I have a feeling that this stat would really show how bad the Big-10 is and
>how tough the PAC-10 is.  Might also explain why my Cougs have every right
>to be in a bowl (aside $$$) and why Iowa should be at home for the holidays.

	The Big Ten was 13-17-1.  The only decent teams beaten among the
	13 were Cal, by Purdue (at the time, of course), Syracuse, by
	Ohio State (handily), and Michigan's tie with Notre Dame, if you
	want to call that a success.  Other teams beaten were Bowling Green
	(twice), Northern Illinois (twice), Iowa State, Missouri (twice),
	Miami (O), Louisville, Oklahoma State, and Houston.  A sorry lot,
	to be sure...

	The losses include Colorado (twice), Miami (F), NC State, San Jose
	State, Washington, Notre Dame (thrice), Boston College (twice),
	Rutgers, Central Michigan, Toledo, Houston, Kentucky, and Pitt.
	Some very good, some not good at all...


-- 
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| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cougars CRUSH Huskies!
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:33:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov22.213323.2873
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov22.084310.17281@u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.005605.23683@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Bunghole) writes:
>>
> >As a side note, our local ABC affiliate KXLY is carrying an Apple Cup
>>post-game show, with locker room scenes, player and coach interviews,
>>etc.  And every Husky being interviewed is coming on and practically 
>>blaming the loss on the weather.  Come on!  You got your butts kicked,
>>take it like men and go home.
>>
>>Way to go, Cougs!!!  We're 8-3 now.  By the way, Drew Bledsoe, in an
>>interview taped before the game, said that the Cougars are locked into
>>a bowl game with a win over the Huskies.  Does he know something we
>>don't?  
>Probably not, he got his "education" at WSU
>You piece of shit, can't you accept your gift gracefully? 
>Maybe this gift will make you forget you are living in a shit-hole
>called Pullman, at least till you wake up in a pile of cow shit.  
>
> [OBNOXIOUS TOP-10 LIST DELETED]

Hey...  The Cougars beat our butts in pretty bad!!  No kidding.  But, it is
not our right (neither is theirs) to trash talk and disrespect each others
schools, teams, or towns.  This game is for bragging rights, true, but you
should stop the name-calling.  It is over.  We got beat.  Hats off to the
Cougars for playing well.  The Cougs would have won even if it was 70 F and
sunny.  

To Husky fans:
  1) Stop blaming the weather.  It effected both teams.
  2) Take the loss with dignity and hold your heads up high.
  3) Stop the name-calling.  You may flip your WSU friends and co-workers some
     shit, but keep it off the net.
  4) Have respect for every opponent...  WIN or LOSE.
  5) Be happy with the accomplishments of the team and look forward to the
     Rose Bowl.
  6) Stop blaming the non-football elements (i.e. weather)!!  We got our 
     butts kicked, due to the superior play of WSU...  

Final notes on the game itself:  The lack of physical size in defense finally
hurt the Huskies.  They couldn't get a decent pass-rush going all day and WSU
was popping some big holes up the middle.  
Also, I don't think that the players blamed the weather for the loss.  I 
listened to some of them and they just said that the weather affected their
level of play, as well as the Cougars'.

Have a day..

-Behzad
From: yecx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Enough psu
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:34:15 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Enough already!!

All this talk about penn state is making me sick.  They are not even worth
 talking about this year.  Sure they have had good, even great teams, in the
past but everyone has to admit this in not their year.  No matter what anyone
says about losing by small margins to ranked teams, almost losing to Cin, or
their 'weak' schedule,  they have four losses.

They, much less anyone, should not sign bowl contracts before we know what kind
of team they are.  Maybe they should decline the offer, if they don't fine. 
But let's talk about the issue in the context of this year and their season. 
Perhaps without bringing up old history of wrongdoings from the past or
relating every issue to a bashing of your least favorite team.

Greg
Cornell '93
The Ivy league, where the smart boys play without getting paid.
From: n8843528@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Chris M. Jacques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FIVE WAC BOWL TEAMS????
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:35:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov24.003539.15162
Organization: Western Washington University

maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:

>I heard that 5 WAC teams are headed to bowls and
>none of them have a Mr. Faulk on their team.

>Holiday Bowl:
>Hawaii vs Illinois

>Freedom Bowl:


FRESNO STATE VS USC


>Copper Bowl:
>Utah vs WSU

>Liberty Bowl:
>Air Force vs ???

>Aloha Bowl:
>BYU vs Kansas or Oklahoma

>Can anyone confirm this?

>arthur
>
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Down to Business (OU/NU)
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.112252@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:
>This one is tough for me because the idea of Colorado in the Orange Bowl is
>very unappealing.  While Nebraska (and Texas) are probably OU's arch rivals,
>we have tremendous respect for Tom Osbourne and the Huskers.  Even though I
>would like to see Oklahoma in some bowl, I would prefer to be bested by
>Nebraska for the Orange Bowl rather than Colorado.  Tough call.  I'm sure both
>teams understand the importance of the game and will be fired up.

Well, if the Sooners win, they'll trail just the Buffs in the conference
standings, but if they lose, they'll trail Nebraska, Colorado, and
Kansas.  The choice between a 2nd place finish with a probable (?)  bowl
bid and a 4th place finish with no bid seems obvious to me.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC needs football respect!
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:07:37 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00057-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu



 I have had to read SOOOOO many postings about the Pac-10, and earlier in the
 year I posted an article about ACC-Pac10 comparison. These are the results
 of the year (one more week of games still left)
 We are not just a great basketball conference anymore...
 Come to think of it, Pac-10 fans want to get on rec.sport.basketball.college??
 
 ACC Football   CONF     ALL        Pac-10 Football  CONF    ALL

 Florida State  8-0-0    9-1-0      Washington       6-2-0   9-2-0
 N.C. State     6-2-0    9-2-1      Stanford         6-2-0   9-3-0
 North Carolina 5-3-0    8-3-0      Washington St.   5-3-0   8-3-0

 Virginia       4-4-0    7-4-0      USC              5-3-0   6-3-1
 Wake Forest    4-4-0    6-5-0      Arizona          4-3-1   6-4-1
 Georgia Tech   4-4-0    5-5-0      Arizona St.      4-4-0   6-5-0
 Clemson        3-5-0    5-5-0      Oregon           4-4-0   6-5-0
 Maryland       2-6-0    3-8-0      UCLA             3-5-0   6-5-0
 Duke           0-8-0    2-9-0      California       2-6-0   4-7-0
                                    Oregon St.       0-7-1   1-9-1

 NOW, YOU HAVE TO AGREE!!! ABOUT EVEN!! It's plain as day.......
 Give the ACC the respect it deserves.
 
 My congratulations to Florida State on such a great performance this year.
 Also, I congratulate all the members of the 1992 WOLFPACK FOOTBALL TEAM
 who have earned a trip to Florida! GO GET em', Pack!!!! *claps and shouts*
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:24:01 GMT

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>I've never made any of those claims.  Please get your facts straight.  You
>seem to be lumping the posts of all people from one school together.  Trust
>me, there are people from umich that I *don't* agree with and I've recently
>said so.  If you've got something against *me*, say it to me, don't get on me
>for something somebody else says.

Bill,

I hope you don't mind a somewhat abbreviated answer . First, I apologize
for directing everything on my mind to you. I know you didn't say all the
things I had in my post so again - I am sorry for acting that way.

I'm glad you're not a Cane basher (there are already enough) and I don't
hate the Michigan team at all.

I won't rehash the old stuff we've already done that . However, I'll be
happy to answer anything you may feel I've ducked.

Justin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dames@jones.cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames)
Subject: Re: running up scores+ties
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:25:26 GMT

al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo) writes:


>The facts : Michigan is winless in three tries versus winning teams
>this year.

>National Championships decided by teams going, or not going for ties

>1990-1991 Colorado? The Buffaloes were 10-1-1. What were the circumstances
>of their tie? 10-2 would obviously have dropped them out of their share
>of the title with Ga. Tech. 11-1 would have gotten them both the AP, and
>UPI #1 slots.  (11-0-1 Ga. Tech's tie did not come down to a late TD,
>+ decision to accept a tie)

The tie was with Tennessee 28-28 in the Kickoff Classic.  Colorado dominated
most of the game with Tennessee coming back in the second half.  If I recall,
CU was up 28-14 at one point, and the Vols tied it up.  At the time
Tennessee and CU were both ranked in the top10 (preseason) and I don't think
the tie lost the Buffs much respect.  It was the 23-22 loss to my Illini at
Memorial Stadium.  I felt bad afterward because although Colorado defeated
Washington, Texas, ND, Stanford(?), Nebraska, and Oklahoma, plus the tie with
Tennessee, their 1 pt. loss to us forced a split with what I considered a
very undeserving GaTech team.

						Ray Dames
						dames@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:40:09 GMT

> In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>>
>>I think this would be a travesty, look at the 
>>teams Iowa has beaten
>>
	Look at who they have played!!

> on the basis of football merit.  What matters a LOT
> is (1) how many fans the school is capable of 
> drawing, and (2) how influential the school, its
> conference and its coach are.  In both regards,
> most Big 10 teams - and certainly Iowa - come out
> pretty strongly. 
> 
> Now, having said that I must admit that I hope the 
> Hawks turn down an invite if one comes their way - 
> I don't think I can stand to watch BYU or SDSU or some
> other dinky WAC school beat up on them...

	Yeah, right!  They way things are going over in the
WAC, that school won't deserve to be there either.
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>Go Michigan State
>>Go Minnesota
	Gee, What a poor choice of teams
> 
> 
> Go Hawkeyes (please...)
		(please!!!!)
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