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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:37:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct2.145900.2184@bvc.edu> earhartgregm@bvc.edu writes:

>One of my friends, (a non-Rush fan) gave me his impression of the show:
>"They stand on stage twanging their insurments and then one of 
>them goes over to the other side of the stage and twangs for a little 
>while, then the other goes over to the other side and twangs for a while, 
>and then sometimes they even move around and twang together!"  Insulting, I 
>know, but as I watched them the next time, I found myself thinking, "That's 
>reasonably correct."  It seems that Rush lacks much of the showmanship and 
>intensity of other bands, particularly their opening acts.  The only time 
>they display this intensity is during their encores. 

Compared to many bands Rush has always been somewhat tied to their
instruments on stage, right? Most of their motions have been determined 
so that they have time to get back to synths and triggers and effects
etc. at the proper moment. Looking at the ESL video (1981) one
sees maybe even less motion than on ASOH -- the move to wireless
was designed to give them more freedom, and it seems to have worked
to some extent. I think they even put conscious effort at being
more wild on stage after ESL because of criticisms just like those
above. 

On the other hand it's true that they seem a little bored on some
of the `oldies.' I'd love it if they'd start played 3/4 of the
latest album each tour instead to playing things they've played
a trillion times...


Gregg

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From: inde7lo@elroy.uh.edu (Bob Abraham)
Subject: Hip! Hip! Hooray!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:37:00 GMT

To Tsirbas Christos:  You deserve a beer.  That was a great response to
Gregg's post.  It was quite long, but worth every word.  I've been 
working on a firm but tactful flame to Gregg, but now it would just be
repetitive.

And to Gregg:  Unless you're N. Peart's brother or Alex's illigitimate
son, don't claim to have the answers to all of Rush's mysteries.  You
have every right to post your opinions, but you state them as if you
are a faultless authority, with gobs of inside information.  I don't
know why your posts are becoming so annoying.....maybe because they
aren't posts at all; most of them are "followups" to anyone who holds
an opposing view to yours.  Weren't you just harping on me a while 
back?.......

So, unless you can produce copies of Neil's brainwave patterns since
1972, I won't believe you know his mind better than anyone else.  And
quit posting as if you do.

Bob

   (Ahhhh, yeessssss, the flames are coming, I feel the heat.
    But they will not envelope me; they are sustenance to my soul
    and only make me stronger....)
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush trivia
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:48:20 GMT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

wsaker01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Willard S. Akers) writes:

> I also have the Rock n Roll comic book.  I have no idea if Geddy's real
> name is correct or not.  I did find some other mistakes, however.  When 
> they showed them signing their first contract Neil was using his right 
> hand.  They also showed a picture of Alex once when they were supposed
> to have shown Neil.
> 
I saw that ... um... masterpiece... not... Well, my main reaction is:
 -- the cover is worthy of being hung up on my wall with other posters
 -- the rest? um... for sale, dude.. any takers? do I hear 10 cents?
Well, it wasn't all /that/ bad considering.. but I wouldn't take anything 
it said as gospel without a second opinion. Like the cover said,
  "Unauthorized and Proud Of It!"
But it was good for a laugh, true...

                            --Vortex for being hard to please! Hmph!
From: fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Date: 4 Oct 1992 03:07:38 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.145900.2184@bvc.edu> earhartgregm@bvc.edu writes:

>>One of my friends, (a non-Rush fan) gave me his impression of the show:
>>"They stand on stage twanging their insurments and then one of 
>>them goes over to the other side of the stage and twangs for a little 
>>while, then the other goes over to the other side and twangs for a while, 
>>and then sometimes they even move around and twang together!"  Insulting, I 
>>know, but as I watched them the next time, I found myself thinking, "That's 
>>reasonably correct."  It seems that Rush lacks much of the showmanship and 
>>intensity of other bands, particularly their opening acts.  The only time 
>>they display this intensity is during their encores. 

>Compared to many bands Rush has always been somewhat tied to their
>instruments on stage, right? Most of their motions have been determined 
>so that they have time to get back to synths and triggers and effects
>etc. at the proper moment. Looking at the ESL video (1981) one
>sees maybe even less motion than on ASOH -- the move to wireless
>was designed to give them more freedom, and it seems to have worked
>to some extent. I think they even put conscious effort at being
>more wild on stage after ESL because of criticisms just like those
>above. 

>On the other hand it's true that they seem a little bored on some
>of the `oldies.' I'd love it if they'd start played 3/4 of the
>latest album each tour instead to playing things they've played
>a trillion times...
Or at least, play something from the past that we haven't heard before!


>Gregg

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Ozzy:last show, acronyms
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:37:20 EDT

In article <1992Sep26.025019.13149@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
bnalexander@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>Yup,
>what's up.  Two things, pleeze... Can anyone tell me what N.I.B. and S.A.T.O.
>stand for?  I've been wanting to know for years, although I'm not really an
>Ozzy fan anymore.  Also, because the Oz holds a special place of nostalgia
>in my heart I'd love to know what's up with his last show.  Has it happened
>yet?  Will (or was) it be broad cast or made into a video? What is the date
>of it and how can I see it?
>Take care,
>Brian
>bnalexander@miavx1
 
Does anyone know who Ozzy is?
 
--Ethan
 
   "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush fan speaks
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:55:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <29SEP199221133455@elroy.uh.edu> inde7lo@elroy.uh.edu (92F02544) writes:
>In article <96979@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes...

>>This is an argument from elitism, and these other people have limited
>>tastes. Now you seem to be upset that Rush did somethings that those
>>people like, which is moving away from your tastes. Your liking it 
>>less for that reason alone just makes you like a conservative elitist.

It's not elitism that I see as negative so much as conservatism. Elitism
is fine if it's based on something objective.

>As is mentioned below, I have no problem with Rush gaining po
>with the mainstream.  My point was that their new popularity was because
>they _catered_ to the mainstream.


Can you support this statement? That they are really _catering_ to the
public.


>>> I have 
>>>nothing against the mainstream public liking Rush's music now, but I don't
>>>think these people appreciate Rush for their extraordinary talent but 
>>>because "it's got a cool beat".

You're most probably right.


>>Sure, but maybe they'll _learn_ something. :) We all have to start
>>somewhere...

>Unless this was intended to be sarcastic, you just made an elitist comment.
>Are you saying that "they" have to start at the bottom and with prolonged
>listening "they" will reach your level?

Well, it has a smiley now, doesn't it? I was taking your position
hypothetically for rhetorical purposes, mainly. 

The point is whether you can support your elitism with something 
substantial or not. I don't mind being elitist because I can point 
to some criteria to back it up. I'm sure you could do so, but I 
didn't see much of that in your original post, is all.


Gregg


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From: diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel )
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:47:01 GMT
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).

In article <Bvnt7w.4Jz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) writes:

>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>In article <16876150C2.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:

>>>What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
>>>Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
>>>from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
>>>to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.

>>>--Ethan

>>That's the strongest connection I could ever come up with. It _is_
>>a pretty weak connection, but then again the connection between the
>>titles is relatively weak too, right? I mean, if anything there is
>>a _contrast_ between the two: analog/digital, kid/man. Right?


>>Gregg

>Maybe that's precisely the connection.  IT's kinda lame, but here's my cursory
>explantion...While groing up, we have to learn everything by doing.  We have to 
>learn the basics before we can effectively use the short-cuts.  
>(ie learning to read an analog clock before just being able to use a digital.
>weak I know, but true.)

>So, I guess that the analog kid groes up into the digital man with all of his 
>knowledge and the problems that that encompasses.

I think you could have a point here.  Maybe when you're a kid you see 
everything the way it is - implying analog.  Once you've grown up your life 
becomes more conditioned and programmed.  Thus implying our grown up lives 
are of a digital nature ie we end up being programmed into our jobs etc.  
This is all just speculation though.

Cheers
   Bruce
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu 
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Originator: jlwoodal@c00082-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jlwoodal@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Solar Federation
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:33:56 GMT


Hell yeah, man...
Maybe Rush shouldn't tour for awhile. 
Look what it's doing for REM.  The new album is
the best since Fables of the Reconstruction!!!
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:58:54 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep26.140052.7095@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
> 
>> Let's face it, everybody makes mistakes, everybody is
>> human, even the guys in Rush.  I'm pretty sure that
>> any musician appreciates an honest critical appraisal of
>> his or her work rather than unconditional acceptance.

>Excellent!  There are some Rush songs that I don't like, and I'm just as much
>(if not more so) of a fan than that Jaeger guy.  
>
>The Analog Kid

I agree completely. BTW, I hate the whole idea of `who's more of a fan
than someone else.' If someone likes a real band (i.e. not some MTV arse-kiss
band) enought to consider themself a fan (by their own standards) then
they're a fan to me. Beyond that, there are tastes and opinions, some
more well-grounded than others. But to accept everything a band does
without criticism (i.e. attention) is not to be a fan so much as a
blind follower. And there's no point in that, is there?

Neil said in an interview once that he hated ``Cygnus X-1'' himself.

I really find it hard to say I don't like all of any (post-_Rush_)
Rush song, but I can't say that there are a few tracks on _Fly by
Night_ that don't do much for me, and I can easily tire of listening
to ``New World Man''; I mean the ``Neeeeeeewwww Wooooorrrllld
Maaannnnnnn'' chorus kind of `nauses' me out after awhile...

Gregg

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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:34:21 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Concerning Rush's fashion-consciousness, I've said this once
and I'll say it again:

Rush is constantly evolving and always integrating current trends
into their music.  However, of late, the music scene hasn't been
that great (at least not the mainstream music scene).  So if Rush is
echoing current trends and trying to do one better, then they are go
ing one up on lame music.  Personally, I think that this is what is
happening right now.  RTB and Presto are trying to keep current of
a music scene that is not all that hot.  The only real action we are
seeing right now is bands that are breaking out from the alternative
scene onto mainstream charts (Nirvana, The Cure, etc.) and a resurgence
of country music.  I doubt we'll ever see a country influence in Rush,
nor will we see the return of Buzzsaw guitars (a la Metallica, Nirvana, et
al.)  As for playing to the market, I think that this is the only way
I could describe Presto (I decided to skip roll the bones).  Look at the themes on Presto: you've got the teen-age angst songs a la Warpaint and The Pass for
the Younger fans, the middle-age angst songs a la Available Light for middle
aged fans (has anybody noticed that this song sounds like bad Chris deBurgh, 
whom Rupert Hine has produced), the "why I am an atheist, intellectual angst
songs" a la Anagram and Show don't tell, and the politically correct Red Tide and Super-Conductor dealing with current topics and Hand over Fist, which I still
think is pretty lame.  It seems to me that Presto was an album that played to the market, trying to appeal to as many fans as possible rather than attempting
to be creative or original.  I know that this is flame-bait, but that's how I feel.  I have become rather disenchanted with Peart's lyrics on the last two al-
bums as well as with the sound of these albums, which sound really over-
processed.  

Chris in Montreal
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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:50:21 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

>I am not trying to flame anybody, but hey, let's not take a fashion state-
>ment to be a philosophical statement.
 
Rush is against fashion statements as a matter of principle...
 
 
Gregg
 
Well Gregg, if Rush is against fashion statements as a matter of principle, how do you explain 

1) Alex's progressively stylish  hair (from the Frampton perm of the late seve-
nties through the new wave look of the early eighties to his current very
GQ look?
2) How do you explain Geddy's current, Hair parted in the middle, lennon-specs
black vest and levi's-I-look-like-a-member-of-The-Grapes-of-Wrath-or-some-other-young-quasi-altern-canadian-band-look!
3) How do you explain the kimonos and robes of the mid-seventies and the
rap on Roll-the-Bones?

Rush has become too fashion-conscious of late, if you ask me, that's why I tuned out Presto and RTB.

Chris in Montreal
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:29:25 GMT

In article <1687310174.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:
>In article <1992Oct01.212847.4361@bnr.ca>
>therese@crchh588.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Therese McCarthy) writes:
>>
>>With all this talk about Neil's deepness (lyrics and such), I
>>was wondering what songs, written by Neil, would people consider
>>to be pure fluff?  In other words, what songs qualify as having
>>no deep insights or REAL thought-provoking subjects?
>>
>>I guess the only one I can think of off-hand is "I Think I'm
>>Going Bald".  Also, songs from the first album don't count because
>>Geddy wrote them......
>>
>>Therese  (therese@bnr.ca)
> 
>Tai-Shan? It's about the most gratuitous, masturbatory fluff I've had the
>displeasure of hearing Rush record. Not to knock Neil too much, but this idea
>of climbing the mountaintop in China and writing a song like that is trite, I
>think.
> 
>"China sang to me ... a song of eternity." Puhleeeeze.
**Stuff deleted**

>--Ethan
> 
>    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."

	Another chance to inject my $.02!  I don't know Ethan, I kind of like
Tai-Shan, because it is a song about stability and looking inward on an 
album of motion.  It is rather different in content and substance than any
song on that ablum.  It is almost a metaphor for the end of the line, s
something about dying, mortality maybe.  Lots of religious metaphors (I am
not saying anything about Neil's religion, though).  I don't know, I guess
it is about something like facing all of the worlds greatness, its problems,
and all that there, when you can look down on it and get a good picture of 
what is going on down there.  How about that?

;-)


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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Re: Great Moments / Emotive
Summary: Neil's generalizations 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:32:41 GMT

Y'know, the more personal Neil gets, the better, IMHO.  It's been a great trend
over the last few albums (not to say that certain personal details haven't been
around on the older stuff);  I remember listening to HYF the first couple times
and thinking, "Hmm, Neil seems to be feeling his age a bit more these days."
But it's precisely the individual story coming through that I really dig;
it's the same kind of thing that makes folks like the late Harry Chapin so
special; the way they tell a story that will never be repeated in exact detail
but speaks so well to everyone else's experience WITHOUT rehashing the words
that came so naturally to mind at first.  I mean, Neil goes a bit overboard
at times, IMO, when he "generalizes" his themes and I find that I have to be
in the right mood for it at the time or else it just doesn't work for me.

Frank
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: New album soon, or no?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:38:46 GMT
Keywords: dont get your hopes up

In article <1992Oct2.023429.2303@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rileyrm@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>Distribution: world
>
>In article <1992Oct1.191438.7229@ncsu.edu> jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu  
>writes:
>> 
>> New album soon, or no?
>I don't think so.  When I saw them, it was June 22nd (I think) in Dayton,  
>Oh.  That was their 3rd from last show ont the RTB tour.  Give em a break,  
>they may be f@$kin awesome but they do need some rest and some time to  
>record.
>
>Ryan Riley
>"the Cowboy"

We all have access to the net, so try and read rec.music.info for the latest
release info.  I haven't seen anything about RUSH.  Tull has a live album
out, Floyd box-set comin', New REM, Mudhoney soon, Alice in Chains out!!!!

Peter Gabriel's is out too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I know this IS a rush net, but I'm feeling a little crazy now.
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From: st1s0@rosie.uh.edu (Hans, Samir)
Subject: YYZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:05:00 GMT

Can somebody let me know which album is YYZ from? I was kind of 
d
dissapointed to see that YYZ did not figire on the Cronicles album.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:40:03 EDT
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Ozzy:last show, acronyms

S ailing
A cross
T he
O cean

Back to Rush content, eh?

Mike
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