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From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: I HATE TAMILS
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:51:40 GMT

In article <1372@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> somasun@server.uwindsor.ca (SUNDHAR  
SOMA             ) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>   ( For a humorous reasoning refer 'Affable's posting.!   :-)  )

  Hold on. I wrote particularly "may be" for a supposition. 
  Is it a humorous reasoning?. Anyway, take it easy.
>  - Somasundhar.V.


Cheers,
Venkat
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From: Venkatachalam Aruna (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Some requests
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:39:41 GMT
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Aug17.182029.8788@cs.cornell.edu> srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind  
Srinivasan) writes:
> Dear ValaignargalE,
> 
>    I have a few requests, on seeing so many flame wars on the valai.
> 
> (1) In any issue, the very fact that one has strong opinions implies
> that one has been affected deeply, one way or the other. So, if you
> and I have completely different views on reservation, say, it just
> means that we have been affected differently-- that we have seen the
> same thing from different angles. Let us try to find common ground
> and agreement, rather than amplify our differences.
> 
> (2) A satirical article about somebody whom we don't know personally
> is only likely to further drive a wedge between us.
> 
> (3) This medium can be put to wonderful uses, if we apply patience
> and understanding. Pl. remember the trouble some people took to get
> this started.
> 
> (4) A suggestion about discussions: an article voicing a strong opinion
> can use the tone of "this is my personal experience; what are your
> comments please?" to find commom ground and understanding.
> 
> Clearly, I have said nothing new or profound above. These are just
> some suggestions.
> 
> Anbudan,
> Aravind.
 
   I wholeheartedly second Aravind's opinion. Please remember
the kuRalkal
  "innaa seithaarai oruththal avarNaana
   nannayam seidhu vidal"

  "iniya ulavahaa
   kaniiruppak kaai kavarnthatRu"

I couldn't recollect the second one exactly. The gist is
"Why do you want to use bad words when good words are available?"

Cheers,
Venkat

PS: I tried "aathami" scheme for first time. Are there any mistakes?
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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: tolkaapiyam-tamil facts-2
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:31:01 GMT



   As a continuation of the series on Tamil facts:

Tolkaapiyam and early tamizh literature:
   
      Kamil Zvelebil(Indologist from Hungary) : Smile of Murugan.  page 4.

  The earliest literature in Tamil is a model unto itself-
it is absolutely unique in the sense that, in nsubject-matter,
thought-content, language and form, it is entirely and fully indigeneous,
that is, Tamil,, if we want(though I diskike this term when talking about literarture), Dravidian. And not only that: it is only the Tamil
culture has produced-uniquely so in India- an independent,
indigeneous literary theory* of very high standard, including
metrics and prosody, poetics and rhetoric.



To my good friend Ravi Kuchimanchi who told Tamil
is just like Bengaali and not older than Kannada.

    There is yet another important difference between Tamil
and other Dravidian languages: the metalanguage of Tamil has
always been Tamil, never sanskrit. As A. K. Ramanujan
says(in Language and Modernization, p 31):``In most
Indian languages the technical gobbledygook is sanskrit;
in Tamil, the gobbledygook is ultra-Tamil" **.





* for example the ainthiNai concept and love situations
and their association with the environs are not
found in sanskrit grammar(Sigfried Lienhard)


**  This may be illustrated by comparisons of grammatical or
philosophical terms. In Telugu, e.g. gender categories of 
"higher" and lower classes
are called mahat: amahat(<Sanskrit). In Tamil  the corresponding terms are
called uyar-tiNai and ahRiNai which is pure Tamizh.
are )

----------------------more to follow-------

Kathiravan
From: gt6060a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rangaswamy Rajamanickam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Bharathiyar's songs in Movies
Keywords: songs
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:42:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

A friend of mine will be coming from India shortly
and I wanted him to record some Bharathiyar's songs 
in Tamil Movies. I made out a short list and I request
anyone who can expand/fill in the blanks to mail his/her
response to me. I will compile the responses and post them
on the net.

             Song                        Movie

1. Sindhu Nadhiyin misai            Kai Kodutha Dheivam 
2. Veenai adi Nee enakku            Ezhavathu Manithan & ?
3. Nalladhor Veenai seydhae            " and Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu?
4. Kaakai Siraginilae                   " and ?
5. Theertha Kariyinilae            Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu
 

Thanks.
-- 
RAJAMANICKAM,RANGASWAMY
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6060a
Internet: gt6060a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:56:18 GMT

In article <l92u6aINNm6@aludra.usc.edu> rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>In article <Bt6wxA.CL9@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>>
>	  It is amazing that some brain dead
>>fellow writes this type of crap and there are people to accept these kinds 
>>of advice even in this twentieth century !
>>>>
>>
>>Meenan Vishnu
>
>	I think you are that brain dead fellow and there are 6 seven
>brain dead fellows who believe in what you say .
>	rammohan
>

My friend, how else will you call someone who writes:

(1) Widows burned with their husbands go to heaven  and that
(2) Animal sacrificed in a Vedic ritual go to heaven

Meenan Vishnu
From: lkumar@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Let us build Periyar Temple
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:40:23 EDT
Distribution: world 
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <2A900325.8112@orion.oac.uci.edu>, sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.115629.13818@umiami.ir.miami.edu> lkumar@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.135559.19286@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>>> 
>>> 3. There will be 108-archanas blaming brahmins for everything in precise
>>> sentences before the periyar statue for $10. After the archana is over the
>>> priest will declare the following standard disclaimer. "We attack only
>>> brahminism and not brahmins" with a big meaningful smile on his face. "Killadi
>>> gurukkal". We know what he means by this, don't we?
>>	Hey, Naughty boy, you did not clarify who will be the
>>	gurukkal ...?  Brahmin or .... ?
>>
>>-- Laxman
>>
> 
> 	You might know the Supreme court ruling in Tamil Nadu Brahmins
> 	Association vs Tamil Nadu Govt during  DMK regim on 'who is
> 	eligible to become a temple priest'. The ruling was that non-
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	brahmins are not eligible even if they are qualified. Reservation
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Should one consider the ruling of Supreme Court that seriously,
	especially w.r.to a Temple ... ?
	I would say YES ....
	But look at the VHP and others ... 
	Ram temple will be built at all costs ....
	I leave it to individual judgement ....

> 	hater RT, please note the 100% resevation at least for this
> 	profession. May be this is following the bright idea of Rajaji:
> 	The 'kulak kalvi thittam'. 
> 
> M. Sundaramoorthy
> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
> 
Regards,
-- Laxman

PS :: I tried to send a reply to your mail. For some reason, it
      bounces back after reaching your system.
      I'll try again later. Good Luck ... :-)

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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: hate tamils-reasons
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:34:40 GMT

   valai anparkaLE:

          Some noble person hates Tamils for the following reasons:

    1. There is no treatise equal to kuRaL in any Indian
language.(John Murdoch) Tolkaapiyam still stands as one of the
oldest and original grammar books in the world.(Kamil Zvelebil) 

   2. They gave refuge to Jews from Israel in AD 68. This is
engraved in copper in old Tamil vadezhuthu "round letters"
deeds possessed by Jews and Syrian Christians of Malabar.

  3. They have the most number of temples per square KM in
the whole of INDIA. They gave one
of the richest temple to their brothers.

 4. They had Periyaar who valiantly stood against 
all the machinations of the varNa based
brahmanism and veda based irrational stupidity 
in the country.


   Let us propose the hate monger for a nobel prize. 


kathiravan
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A THREAT from a boneless tiger in the net
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:42:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Aug20.144243.4702
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1992Aug19.163249.6310@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>
>I received the following threat from one spineless tiger in the net who does
>not have guts to post his view in the net and sent me e-mail
>
>LTTE kills only good people, does it mean brahmins=good-people?
>
>==============================================================================
>
>From:   "LTTE@surya.waterloo.edu" 19-AUG-1992 12:07:34.52
>
>LTTE will kill all the Brahmins.
>
>
>% ====== Internet headers and postmarks (see DECWRL::GATEWAY.DOC) ======
>% Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA07807; Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:07:27 -0700
>% Received: from surya.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTPid <AA03464>; Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:07:21 -0400
>% Received: from wam.umd.edu by surya.waterloo.edu.bedinet (4.1/SMI-4.1)id AA29998; Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:05:15 EST
>% Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:05:00 EST
>% From: LTTE@surya.waterloo.edu
>% Message-Id: <9208191705.AA29998@surya.waterloo.edu.bedinet>
>% Apparently-To: mims::thiyagarajan
>

Very very brave of him. I thought LTTE was made of brave young people. But they
have time and again proved to be coward, cunning, spineless, selfish, hate 
mongers. I am not surprised at all.

What does other Srilankans have to say regarding this threat ?


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Subject: Re: Dark Future for Professional Services in TN?
ReplyTo: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
NntpPostingHost: mecad.uta.edu
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:22:19 GMT
X-Bytes: 2099

In article <Bt717D.Iqo@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireqnum.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan  
K.) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.124848.17851@engage.pko.dec.com>  
thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
> >
> I think the collection of statistics may not solve the problem. Everyone
> agrees that vast majority of 'forward' class people would have suffered
> due to reservation system. Why not post ideas to 'beat' the system?
> 
> When you can not beat them, join them!
> 
> Does anybody know how the forwardness will be determined?
> (i) caste of father (ii) caste of mother if different
> (iii) whether or not the person if man had yagnopaveetham (pooNool)
> (iv) whether or not he does Sandhya Vandhanam
> (v) kudumi is no longer a criterion I suppose
> 
> KS

Well, here is an interesting episode. All these "socalledreformists"
were exposed of their dirty tricks about 10 year's back when my father,
who was then practicing as a lawyer in Coimbatore District Court. There was
this person who had filed a suit against the then government of Karunanidhi.
The suit stated that the plaintiff (the client) had filed an application
for his son to join in the government high school. 

The plaintiff refused to fill the column which asked for religion and caste, 
saying that he does not associate with any of them. The headmaster of the 
school refused to  accept the application. So the affected individual sought 
professional help and the matter was taken to the Collector. The collector said 
he had  no jurisdiction overthe issue and finally it landed in the subcourt. 
It took over 5 years to know the result of the case against the "reformist". 
Naturally with the judiciary at the mercy of these crooks who were ruling then 
the plaintiff lost the case. However he was smart enough to put his son in a 
private school. 

I am surprised that there are some educated "jaalRas" for 
such hypocrats even in this country.

Muthukrishnan



S. N. Muthukrishnan                    muthu@mecad.uta.edu (NeXT mail)
Dept. of Mech. Engg., UT, Arlington    muthu@fem.uta.edu   (NeXT mail)
Arlington, TX  76019

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: remote@control.b30.ingr.com (Remote Control)
Subject:  Temples in US
Keywords: temples
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:25:45 GMT


Hello Netters,

Recently a thread was started about constructing a temple for
Periyar ;-)... Well guys... go ahead and  construct  whatever
temple you want .. but what is  the future of these temples ?
The concept of "Marathathuku  maram  koil" has become "Cityku 
city koil" in the US.  I  guess,  by  the end of this century
almost every city in the US will have a temple. I am not sure 
if it is a good or a bad  sign.  Cities like Houston, Chicago 
have more than one temple.  But who  is going to take care of 
these temples  in the future ? I don't see many of the second 
generation Indians interested in all these.

Do people ever  think  about the  future before constructing a 
temple?  Am I  missing  something   here ? And why is that all 
the temples are constructed and administered by South Indians? 
I have not seen  any  North  Indian  style temples (like Birla 
Mandir) in the U.S of A.

Cheers
satish

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: En Arumai Kadhalikky Vennilaavae
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:24:51 GMT

In article <19782@plains.NoDak.edu> ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
>
>	I am just typing a stanza from one of
>	Kannadasan's masterpieces. (according to me)
>
>
>	En arumai kadhalikku vennilaavae Nee
>	Ilaiyavala moothavalaa vennilaavae 
>
>	....
>  If some one really needs I could post the whole song.
>  PK

   I doubt that Kannadaasan wrote this song.
   I think that Baarathidaasan wrote this song.
   Many songs of Baarathidaasan were used in old movies.
 One of my favourites is,
   " chiththirach chOlaikaLE.." [ in Adhami ]
 I don't remember the full song. I write it with my poor
 memory..
   " chiththirach chOlaikaLE..
    .. chariththiram paadungaLE..
    .. eththanai thOzhargaL raththam chorindhanarO
         indha boomiyilE .. " [ T.M.S. ]
                                                S.Pandian.
                                        sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Issues of dating (was: Why are TAMILS hated ? (SOME ANSWERS !!)
Summary: kal tonRi maN tonRak kAlam :-)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:33:11 GMT

[Entire article deleted for brevity. The writer has posted
before on SCI and the initials agree. He can email me if he
wants to change his plight - about posting. or Sridharan V.]

Maybe V Rao can address this subject. I will limit my quotes
to Alain Danielou's introduction to his translation of Manimekhalai:

"The great Sanskrit treatise on logic, the Nyayapravesha written
by Dignana and translated into both Chinese and Tibetan, dates
from the fifth century and reproduces almost word for word
certain passages of the Manimekhalai, thus clearly of an earlier
date. ...

All the data agree in placing the Manimekhalai in the second century
of our era. [This is so since the Pallavas came to power in 295 AD
and subdued Chera, Chola and the Pandya kings and established in
Kanchi. So, there is no possibility of a Chola viceroy at Kanchi
after 300 AD.] ...

Among previous authors, the text mentions Jaimini, whose Mimamsa
Sutras date from about 200 BC and quotes a verse of the Kural of
Trivallur [sic] who is generally considered as belonging to the
first century A.D. Gajabahu, king of Ceylon, who is also mentioned
came to the throne in AD 171.

Some scholars, however, feel obliged to deny the evidence of the
historical context for the sole reason that they refuse to admit
that the Tamil text is older than Dignana's Sanskrit text, forgetting
that Dignana lived in Kanchi and was therefore a southern Indian
(like Shankaracharya later on) with access to traditional Dravidian
sources unknown to the Indians of the north."

The introduction also details a number points including, but
not limited to the following:

1. The society in which the action takes place has little to
do with the Aryanized civilization of the north.

2. It seems the Dravidian society lacked a priestly caste. But
at the time M., groups of Brahmans from the north had already established 
themselves in villages or towns forming separate communities which
are treated sometimes with hostility, sometimes with respect.

3. Male transvestite prostitutes also exist, whose dances are
greatly appreciated by the public. They wear a short skirt,
probably of Greek origin.

4. The practice of requiring widows to follow their husbands 
in death appears to be already widespread in ancient Dravidian
society."

And so on.. (about the Greek geographer mentioning Poompuhar or
Kaveripumpattinam .. etc.. )

Sthan.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: nagaichchuvai
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:10:39 GMT

Source of jokes unknown.
ivai chudappattavai: (chuduthal - eupehmism for thiruduthal)
----
 aNNalum "NO KEY" naan
 avalum "NO KEY" naal
----
 amma: Enda, thookkil iruntha murukku ellam engE?
 paiyan: ellam cheththup pOchchumma
----
  aadi aadi pOrarE, avar pEr enna?
    aadiyapaatham
----
 cishyan: guruvE, enakku ciththi vEndum
 guru:   cheekiram un ciththappaavai kalyanam ceithu kollach chol.
----
  americaviRku ethir patham enna?
    amerippazham
----

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: AAa Rambam:- kOOtai-il oru NAAl
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
 
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:15:13 GMT

-----------------------
With  Elections around the corner in T.N, our honor- rubble ex-C.M  is 
ruminating in his kOttai  for a rationalistic stunt
 when his chief secretary T.V[this character may not resemble any living
person]  enters  the room with a print out from a kaNNani[don't rush to a
aGarAti. It is tamizh equivalent for computer]. The conversation between
the two goes like this:

CM: yEnnaiya TV? uN ANTENNAvai[he is referring to his mOOlai] mErku[western
countries] dHisaiyilirundu num paKKam thiruPUya.

TV: yeNNa solGriergal? onDrum puriYaVillai.

CM: nAn solVaDU eVanuKKya purinDadu? eNeKe puriyaDU. inda kaNNaniyil odum
nigazhchiGal enda mozhiyil uLLaDU?

TV: KottaiOdiyadu[fortran],pasa-kal[Pascal],uDadugal[lisp: He was still in the
trauma of seeing his wife from the close quarters the previous night]
iPPadi pala[na] pala.

CM:mara tamzhian vEtrru mozhiyil kaNNani oTTuvada. iLLai! iLLai!
tHAIkulame! unGalil oRUthiyaga vEsam podum oru .............
kUllaNariThana vEllai iDu. Nam thaLaivanam gandhiyin peyar koNda  oru
peDi-in seYal idu. iVargalai iNam kATTa unGal poNNana voTTUgalai.....

TV: thaDangaluku Varundukirome! INdarungal PEPSI. iDu vEndum enPaTharkaga
ippadiya  kaTTuvaDU?nEEngal iPPadi paGutharivodu kETpeergal endru therinDu,
nAn kaNNaniyil kOOt[d]tal kazhiThal sEiVathirku oru niGazhchi eZHudi Kondu 
vandulYen.  

CM:kOOtuvadarkendral thUdaippam vAngi koLLungal. eDarku kaNNani
Ottugirigal?

TV:iYYo! iDu kannaKu kOOtal. idai paDithu pArunGal.
[The text of Tamil Program goes like this]

niGazhchi Niral;
nilai: maKKal;
mAruvadu:aMaichargal;
MLA:BiNnangal; 
Tamizh ezhuThUkal:pAvam;
vOttUkal:vIrkaKudiyavai;

[A]ramBam;
Tamizhthai vAzhthU;
tHira KOppai;
aMaichargal:=sAibergal;
maKKal: iRandavan mUdal iRukiravan varai
tHAikulam aZHudal
vOttukal:=iRukiravan peYaril
iLLaiyendral
vOttukal:=iRandavan peYaril;
MLA:=vOttukal kOOtal aMaichargal;
eZHudu KOpil[ MLA yAARendru?];
mUdivu:maKKaluku NAmmam.

CM: naNdru! naNdru! yenGe naMaDu tamizh kaNNaniyil Otti yeNNa viDai
yenDru soLLungal!

[TV runs the program and the computer beeps with the answer]

CM: yEnnaia kaNNani muKKuDU? yEdavadu [**]cHIkala?

TV:kaNNaniyal iThanai sAibergalai THAngamudiyavilai pOlirukiradhu!
viDai iDHO! MLA:=kuPPaigal [In our terminology it is the garbage the
computer churns out]

CM: nAMMidam uLLa sAibergalai vida idhu nanGu vEllai seiGiradu. aDuTha
THerdalil nAAM venDral kaNNani than saBanAyagar. Nettru naMakku vanDa 
nanKodai[?]..........

[Idarkku mel namaKu angu vElai iLLai]

bye-Gigabyte



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