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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Internal ZModem in 2.0?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:29:44 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

> In article <Aug.17.17.03.17.1992.2368@pilot.njin.net>
> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes: 
> [...]
> >	And I think our resident GeoWorker should break with his "no comment"
> >policy, and tell us whether GeoWorks is planning to add, or has added, such 
> >creature.
> 
> [...] I think it's sorta rude to ask me to break my promise not to divulge
> proprietary information of an employer.  I agreed to abide by GeoWorks'
> policy when I joined the firm and I fully intend on keeping my word.  I
> also think that I've done a good bit to disseminate information to this
> group.  Sorry if I sound testy but...

John, please don't let obnoxious comments like this deter you from
continuing to participate in this newsgroup.  Some people just get so
carried away with their enthusiasm for GeoWorks that they forget about
mundane things like nondisclosure agreements.  You have every right to
get testy when this happens, but don't feel compelled to respond to such
unreasonable demands.

You *have* disseminated a great deal of valuable information in this
newsgroup, and I hope you'll continue to do so.  It would be a shame if
we lost you because a few of the posters here don't know the difference
between enthusiasm and arrogance.

-- 
Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | Dave Barry for President
pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  "He Probably Won't Use
**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |     Nuclear Weapons"
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: GEOS upgrade for $10 in CAN?? (was: Re: This is great stuff! )
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:44:54 GMT

>> I've got DR DOS 6.0 and have no problems running
>> SSTORDRV.
>> I wih I had GW PRO, but I've never been offered
>> the            
>> upgrade  :-(
 
> You could call IBM in Montreal and get an update (icluding
> Quatro Pro SE) for Can $10.00 (I know that it is inconvenient
> to cal from Japan, but you are coming back to Canada -
> you know, that street in Chicago ;-) - arent't you).   
 
Are you sur about that $10.00 price tag?  I called the 1-800 
number in Montreal and they told me to uprade from v1.2 would 
be $59.95.
 
I'd love to have the upgrade for $10 (I don't need the 
speadsheet) -- did I talk to the wrong person?  Help me out!
 
Stephen egge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
From: danh@ranger.cray.com (Daniel Hendrickson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoComm Wish-listing (was Re: Zmodem)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:50:15 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


Along with Zmodem and 14.4K modem support, I sure would like to see support
for the 16550 UART chip.  With my setup (Turbo XT, V.32 modem), I cannot
run my modem at 9600 baud without overrun without the buffering of the
16550.  From what I recall about that chip, it is very easy to program.

Another point I would like to make is that the V.32bis modems have an
interface which supports rates much faster than 14.4K.  The number 57.6K
seems to ring a bell.  This is due to the data compression making most
throughput faster than the data rate.

I sure like a lot of the things that GeoWorks has done with their product.
I only hope that they can get more people writing software for their
OS soon, so they can keep their loyal following..

--------

Dan Hendrickson			danh@romulus.cray.com
Cray Research, Inc.
Chippewa Falls, WI
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: An SDK in 1993, did he say?
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:28:00 GMT
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG*
X-Comment-To: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)


Hi Jeff!

 > Alternatively, who will write programs for an OS with a few hundred
 > thousand users (maybe even fanatics) when with the same effort programs
 > can be written for an OS with millions of users?  After all, even 5% of
 > a market of 30 million is a lot bigger than 5% of a market of 0.3
 > million.

I like the idea to program for just about a few hundred thousand users,
then to program for million of users! Why? Well, if there are million
of users, there is also a lot more developing for those users, and so
a lot more applications available for those million users. If I will
program yet another application, it becomes hard, because maybe there
are already (and perhaps better) applications on the market.
(say, what can still be programmed for Windows? Commercial as
Shareware market are plain of stuff.)

And at the very very beginning of windows, there were also only some
fanatics, who programmed for some (fanatic) users...

Nevertheless, I agree that the SDK should come soon .

But even when it takes some time, I do believe PC/GEOS will make it,
because PC/GEOS will always run on "little computers", but windows
and OS/2 not. Both will always enlarging, and every new major (even minor?)
versions will ask for more memory, faster CPU and...

Just my opinion

cu
      ____
Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: DROP THIS THREAD (was Re: Internal Zmodem in 2.0)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:54:24 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

>You *have* disseminated a great deal of valuable information in this
>newsgroup, and I hope you'll continue to do so.  It would be a shame if
>we lost you because a few of the posters here don't know the difference
>between enthusiasm and arrogance.

I said something wrong, I got chastized for it by John, I apologised to John,
I restated my question using correct wording.  END OF SENTENCE.

I personally have better things to do with the bandwidth here than get into
petty wars with people over ad hominem attacks.  I'd like to point out that
Pat has yet to comment on the actual _question_ I asked.

I'm here to contribute to discussions.  I also enjoy _starting_ discussions.
This particular subthread, however, is one that I most definitely dislike.

Please read my _re-worded_ post, and rather than discussing whether or not
I'm an annoying bastard [which I know I am, so what's the point? ;)], go 
discuss something constructive.

			T H A N K   Y O U !

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: GEOS upgrade for $10 in CAN?? (was: Re: This is great stuff! )
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.101454.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

   > You could call IBM in Montreal and get an update (icluding
   > Quatro Pro SE) for Can $10.00 (I know that it is inconvenient
   > to cal from Japan, but you are coming back to Canada -
   > you know, that street in Chicago ;-) - arent't you).   

   Are you sur about that $10.00 price tag?  I called the 1-800 
   number in Montreal and they told me to uprade from v1.2 would 
   be $59.95.

   I'd love to have the upgrade for $10 (I don't need the 
   speadsheet) -- did I talk to the wrong person?  Help me out!

   Stephen egge
   <SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>               

Well, it looks like I made a good deal. I cannot remember from whom I
heard about Can$10.00 (it might have been GeoWorks), but I called IBM,
asked whether that is true and they sent the upgrade. Actually, I
bought Ensemble (1.0 I guess, because there is no version mentioned on
the box) only because I knew that I can upgrade for that much.  The
Pro package was selling for Can$179.99 at that time (Computer
Concepts, Ottawa). I spent a few days before I found a copy of
Ensemble, and the clerk in the store seemed to be very happy to be
able to get rid of it - it was a bit dusty. Many stores did not even
know about GeoWorks, so I was trying to explain that it is a wonderful
software, superior to anything on PCs. Wonderful - they could believe
me, but when they heard that it is better than Windows, the
conversation was over. They thought I am a nut. I must be, because
after all those kind words for GeoWorks that runs on my daughter's
machine (286), I am using Windows and trying OS/2. If GeoWorks comes
up with a decent GEOS C++ IDE that I can run on one machine, a word
processor that is comparable to Word or a DTP package that would have
equivalent functionality to FrameMaker, a presentation applications
like PowerPoint and a spreadsheet that I can use instead of Excel, I
might be installing it also on my machine. I am, however, afraid
that I am asking too much.



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From: teddy@ut-emx.uucp (Teddy Iglehart [Ted E. Bear])
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: geoworks on tv
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:24:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

>
>Is there any way you can get a list of stations carrying this show and post
>it, and perhaps even keep up to date [and keep us all up to date] on when
>the show's scheduled to air?  I don't know whether it is aired in my area
>[Philadelphia market], but I'd love to see it.
>
I will see if I can find a listing or perhaps they will send me
one.  There is no date yet but I will post one as soon as I know.
I will also try to summarize the show for posting for those who
do miss it and are interested.  

-ted
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: GeoWorks' future (was Re: An SDK in 1993, did he say?)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:06:36 GMT

Jeff, I'm not sure I agree with your analysis.  Sure, Windows is
getting more bug-free.  (Everybody knows that they've completely
eliminated UAE's :-).  Sure, OS/2 may take less disk space in the
future.  But those products are aiming at the high end of the market.
Windows NT will need a 486 to run properly, not the entry-level
standard 386 or 386SX.  OS/2 requires 8 megs of RAM to run with
acceptable speed; its proponents will tell you that any decent
multitasking system requires at least that much to function.

I think that there will always be a gap between what the standard
entry-level machine is and what the latest version of Windows or OS/2
will run on.  I'd be willing to bet that Windows NT 2.0 (or whatever
it will be called) will require a P5 or better with 16 megs of RAM,
leaving all the machines based on the "brain-dead 486" in the dust.
By then, maybe GEOS will require a 386SX with 2 megs of RAM, and we'll
be talking about GeoWorks' window of opportunity there.

For the present, let's look at GeoWorks' situation.  It sounds like
they are a small company, without the huge programming staff or PR
budget of a MicroSoft or an IBM.  They may be facing real tradeoffs
between product quality and getting that product to market in a timely
manner.  Sure it would be great if they could get GEOS 2.0 on the
market by the fall Comdex.  It would be neat if they could steal NT's
thunder.  The folks at GeoWorks probably think that would be neat,
too.  The problem is, it probably is not possible to do that.  They
could maybe get some financing and hire more programmers, but
programmers take time to train, especially on a radically new concept
like an object-oriented operating system.

So what do you do if you're Brian Dougherty?  My guess is that you
take the long-range view.  You figure that if you can't make one
window of opportunity, you'll make the next.  You ally yourself with
other software companies, like Borland, who (1) produce high-quality
software; (2) bring products to market quickly; and (3) are also
threatened by MicroSoft.  You try to forsee new trends, like pen
computing, that you can edge yourself into.  Then I guess you hope
that high-quality, easy-to-use software will win out over market share
and marketing hype in the end.

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: GeoWorks, and EGA
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:24:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.094339.25451@terminator.cc.umich.edu> roger@itl.itd.umich.edu (Roger Espinosa) writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>I'm having some trouble getting GeoWorks Pro to recognize the EGA-ness
>of the system it's installed on. It's a 1Mb IBM AT, with a standard
>IBM EGA board. Additionally, there's hardware stuck onto it to support
>the IBM InfoWindow touch screen.
>
>Is there any known solution? Known hints? (I'm not very familiar at 
>all with this level of detail in the PC/DOS world. I've tried various
>settings for the display from the DOS-angle, with both 3.3 and 5.0, 
>but nothing seems to change anything.) 
>

The problem may be that it's an IBM brand EGA board.  I seem to
remember that they don't have sufficient onboard memory or something.
Does anybody else remember this, or am I just dreaming?


-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: What kind of bitmap is FULLMOON.BIT?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:53:22 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

Here's what I really want to do....

I want _black and white_ bitmaps.  Like fullmoon.bit, they display _very_
quickly.

Is there any really good way to make an image black-and-white, either while
I've got it on the sparcstation, after I get it onto my PC, or after I import
it into Geos?

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Com2 in GeoComm
From: ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Nabil)
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:28:59 GMT



I wonder my mails are getting through in the first place..

I asked this question before also..

My Geoworks pro does identify COM2 though I have one and using with Procomm+

I tried by changing the sysinfo file by adding COM2 but no difference..
What should I do..  Reinstall the GeoPro? I don't think thats a non-Stupid Idea
 *grin*

Please.. Anyone succeeded using com2? I am using Mouse in com1
I can't swith my mouse to Com2 as I do not have proper plug ( or whatever )
.. p
  Thanks in Advance....
Nabil
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: GeoWorks' future (was Re: An SDK in 1993, did he say?)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:47:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.141551.15397@mlb.semi.harris.com> chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com writes:
>     The bigest mistake GeoWorks is making is to restrict the audience of
>its SDK. 
...
>user's needs for apps.  Of course, let the third party vendors write apps
>too, but let the PD and shareware market thrive.  

Maybe we didn't read the same article.  The one I read said that they
would restrict the release of the *beta version* of the SDK.  When you
put out a beta version of a product, you don't release it to everybody
on the street.  Instead, you send it to experienced people who will
test it, put it through its paces, try to isolate bugs, etc.  

It sounds as though everybody at GeoWorks will be going into
"beta-test hand-holding mode" for a while to support the folks who
will get the beta SDK.  It would be stupid for them to try to support
everybody and his brother who wants a look at the beta SDK.  They'd be
swamped with calls and wouldn't be able to support the serious
developers who could help them debug the SDK.  After that takes place
and the product is in better shape, then it will be released for
general consumption at the same time as GEOS 2.0.

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Com2 in GeoComm
From: ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Nabil)
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:22:30 GMT


   Thanks to the reply... Still I am struggling..

May be one day I will endup with a solution.. Gladly.. My 386-33 is identified
by Geo Pro and I am able to use Modem and Mouse with two ports with no problem.


Thanks for the advice...

Nabil
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: What kind of bitmap is FULLMOON.BIT?
Keywords: Background stuff
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:13:50 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

I've noticed that the full-moon background is FULLMOON.BIT.  I'd known for
some time that it was a bitmap. [pretty obviously]...

On the Sparc-2 I use, we have the PBM utilities [Unix image-munging tools]
which allow me to convert between any two of a few dozen different image
formats.

Among these formats are:
	BBN BitGraph
	Lisp Machine bitmap
	PBM Portable bitmap
	X10 bitmap
	X11 bitmap
	Zinc bitmap

Is the GEOS bitmap format equivalent to any of these, or any other image
format known to mankind [and perhaps Sparc-kind?]

It would be really nice if I could convert images to bitmaps and just drop
them into the background directory... :)

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:48:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: GeoWorks, and EGA
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: roger@itl.itd.umich.edu (Roger Espinosa)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 



Hi Roger!

 > I'm having some trouble getting GeoWorks Pro to recognize the EGA-ness
 > of the system it's installed on. It's a 1Mb IBM AT, with a standard
 > IBM EGA board. Additionally, there's hardware stuck onto it to support
 > the IBM InfoWindow touch screen.

This could be the reason. Perhaps the driver can`t hande this.
Couldn`t you try it without this InfoWindow?

 > Anytime I set GeoWorks up to use EGA (setup ega), it tells me that it
 > can't load the video driver. After getting it running under CGA (does
 > that make it look like an Apple II or *what*? :-) it constantly
 > tells me that there's no EGA video device. :-(

Just look in your \geoworks\system directory. Do you have a file called
"ega.geo"? If not, there is something wrong, this file should be there.

 > it just fine...). Is it the oddness of the InfoWindow monitor causing
 > a problem? Is it GeoWorks?

It could be.

 > Any help would be *greatly* appreciated!

Sorry, more I can`t tell.

cu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Mailing list woes
From: brian (Brian Smithson)
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:39:59 GMT

This morning, Motorola announced that it will be closing its San Jose facility
and consolidating the operation into its Computer Group headquarters in
Tempe, AZ.  What that means is that the pcgeos-list mailing list will need
a new home.  Timing for the facility closure isn't clear at this point, but
it is likely to occur between one and two months from now.

I'm not real keen on the idea of relocating to Tempe, and so the mailing list
can't move there.  It may be that I can set something up through my next job
or through a public access service, but by leaving Motorola I'm losing both
my access to the net and the machine on which the mailing list and archives
are handled.

Is there anyone out there who would like to take on the operation of the
mailing list and archives?  What you'd need to be able to do is bidirectionally
gateway between the comp.os.msdos.pcgeos newsgroup and the pcgeos-list mailing
list.  If you're interested or have questions, please send them directly to
me at brian@grot.csd.mot.com.

Thanks,
--
-Brian Smithson
 Motorola Inc., Computer Group
 2001 Logic Drive, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104
 brian@csd.mot.com, {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Future Specific UI's (was Re: GEOS's Future)
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:59:43 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:

>BTW, the "Motif look" you evidently dislike is more a function of
>GEOS' "specific user interface" than a function of the app itself.
>Maybe when the SDK comes out you can write an Open Look UI for GEOS.
>I'd be interested in seeing it.

I wonder how much trouble I'd land in if I wrote a specific UI for PC-GEOS
that looked and acted like, say, a Macintosh? 

Or, for that matters, one that looked and acted like OS/2's PM UI, or perhaps
Windows 3.1 [or NT? ;)]....

*evil snickering*

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GeoX (was Re: GeoComm Wish-listing)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:00:36 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest


dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:

>I think that a PC/GEOS implementation of X, from either GW or a third
>party, would make a *lot* of people sit up and take notice.  Just look
>at all the attention being given to DesqView/X, and it requires
>high-end PC to run on.  

Yep.  I am entirely sure that an X implementation written for PC/GEOS would
run - and run _well_ on sub-386 machines... 

I'm tired of being told by every X implementation vendor in the business that
I can't run their software unless I spend a thousand dollars on improvements
to my hardware and SLIP and their software.  For that price, i could buy an
X-terminal.

An implementation for GEOS would probably run best on machines with a good
bit of RAM [X likes RAM!], but the fact that it would be a tighter, faster
implementation than any of the others out there would be _very_ impressive.
GeoX itself would be an incredibly useful application, even if marketed
separately.

To paraphrase Leia... Obi Wan Geoworks, you are our only hope... ;)

I'd like to see Quarterdeck do it, but they'd be shooting themselves in the
proverbial foot. :)   Borland doesn't take that much interest in telecom...
FTP Software of Boston could use a good entry in the X market, and they're
relatively cool anti-establishment netfolk... If Geoworks _themselves_ did
it - particularly if they packaged it as part of a "Geoworks NET" or
"Geoworks Collegiate" package, perhaps with a GeoSLIP underlying it, they
could really surprise a few folks at the "other" GUI vendors. ;)

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos