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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Best RB
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BILLMS.92Aug27102911@z.eecs.umich.edu> <2324@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:01:42 GMT

In article <2324@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Aug27102911@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >In article <Derek_Juntunen.07f9@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
   >   1.  Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas - A tie!
   >   2.  Emmit Smith
   >
   >Cowboy Basher.
   >

   Case in point.  Do the words "beating a dead horse" mean anything to you?
   How about "Give it up"?

Ah.  Now you get the point.  I figgured it would get through that apparently
thick skull eventually.  We are all sick of hearing the stupid rants "Cowboy
Basher".  I expect equal fervor from you when the certain fans start using
the phrase honestly.  But I'm not holding my breath.

Bill
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From: danw@ee.su.oz.au (Dan Wuescher)
Subject: Anyone with Raiders news?
Reply-To: danw@brutus (Dan Wuescher)
Organization: Electrical Engineering, The University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:45:12 GMT

Lots of bandwidth these days on Dallas, San Fran, and Washington.
Anyone have any info on the Raiders?  Who is slated to start
at QB? Has Dickerson made any kind of postive impact?  Who
will start in the backfield?

Dan

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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Terrel Buckley may play FOOTBALL after all
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsc.csd.mu.edu

Thursday morning 
----------------

terrel Buckley and his agent had a 3 hour long negotiation
with the Green Bay Packers negotiator Reinfeldt yesterday in the 
Windy City. (Chicago). It seems that he is very close to
signing ( may be 2 or 3 yards shy) as the reactions
seem to indicate . the key is that Buckley and his agent
have decided to lower their demands and also the 
Packer President has authorised the negotiator
to even increase the offer a little bit if an
agreement is in sight . According to Ron Wolf
the GM , if Buckley signs he would be ready after 3/4
games inb the regular season to be in the CB position.
He will start by returning kicks or punts or maybe both.

Well, all these seems to be a case of counting the chickens before 
they are hatched, but I think that he will sign before Sunday.


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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Giants QB situation
Keywords: Simms, Hostetler
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:13:52 GMT

In article <67530@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>I heard, I think on ESPN, that because of a nagging injury, Phil Simms will
>start this weekend instead of Jeff Hostetler.  Anybody else heard this or can
>confirm this?

In the Washington Post's column "Around the NFL," they stated that
Handley was supposed to hold a press conference Wednesday to announce
that Simms would start because of Hostetler's pelvic injury.  Then a
day later, they said Handley had delayed the press conference.  

schalene

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From: duncan@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Duncan)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc. San Jose, California
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 17:32:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.185133.15324@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
|> >I just thought of another rule that I can't stand. [...] that QB's can 
|> >"down themselves" by sliding feet 1st.  What about the games where because of
|> >rainfall, the field becomes a water slide, should the QB get an extra 5 yards
|> >because he can slide? 
|> 
|> Hmmm.  What exactly is the rule here?  Really, any runner can slide; the
|> ball isn't downed until they are touched.  Is it against the rules for
|> a tackler to stop the QB's forward momentum when he's sliding?
|> 

I believe this rule is different for quarterbacks in that the QB is
down where he begins his slide, not where he is touched by a defender.
So, the QB`s don't get the extra yardage from sliding.

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From: rdale@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert P Dale)
Subject: FFL Opening
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:39:48 GMT

If you can have draft picks in by Wednesday [8/26] evening then I have
an opening for you.....  Reply ASAP!

Rob
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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: m. anderson, k, no  still holding out... 
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123305@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov> voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek) writes:
>the header says it all.....

Well, the header's pretty ambiguous I think.

If you're asking a question, no, Anderson isn't holding out.

If you're making a statement, the statement is false.
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers:Haley traded
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:05:57 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug31.184408.9620@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.184253.3997@parc.xerox.com>, fishkin@parc.xerox.com (Ken Fishkin) writes:
>
>|     NO OTHER TEAM even made an _offer_? Sure, Haley's weird, but I'd
>| put up with some weirdness for the 1990 player of the year.
>
>  I think the real problem here is not weird,  but rather that his
>hassles with his own teammates were more of a detriment than his
>performance justified. He was a very good player, but his net
>contribution was somewhat lower.


A couple of comments. First I agree with those that say Haley is 
overrated, he can really rush the passer, but IMHO, thats all he
does on every play. Run full speed, try turn the corner on the blocker
to get to the QB, if its a running play, he takes himself out of the
play.

Second. anything said by the 49ers at this point has to be taken with
a grain of salt. He's gone now, and they
have a vested interest in making negative comments about him to make
themselves look better. They did the same thing with McKyer. Haley
certainly has some personal problems, but from reading the local papers
since the trade,you would think he was Hannibal Lechter or something.
If Dallas needs some pass rushing they got it, if they need more
they probably won't get it. I hope they play him at end instead of
LB where the 49ers tried him, he's just not disciplined enough to
play LB.




Russ Smith
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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Raider News 
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:19:40 GMT


The Townsend/Jones deal is history. Houston bailed after talking with Townsends agent.

Scott Davis is reported to be "burned out on football". The term " sabbatical"
was actually used by the Raider FO.

The Raiders (strangely) resigned Vince Evans and cut fullback Derek(?) Gainer
who did ok in preseason. 

Dickerson was announced to be the starter.

The colosseum renovations deal fell thru again... look for talk of 
a Raider move soon.


Plata y Negro
**************

PS: Yep, look for Anthony Smith to start.
From: pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se (Par Ingvarsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer notes
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:23:23 GMT
Organization: Lund University Computing Center


In article <1992Aug31.162857.18482@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug31.154323.6790@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>John:  thanks for keeping us all updated!
>
>[ Discussion of Tomczak getting cut deleted. ]
>
>>[stuff deleted]
>>OT - Louis Cheek
>>TE - Jerry Evans
>>TE - Darryl Ingram
>
>Speculation in the Packer press (Packer Plus or Packer Report--I can't
>remember which) was that Cheek would be waived, Mandarich placed on
>IR, and Cheek re-signed.  If there's anyone else about to go on IR
>tomorrow, more of these guys could be back.
>

  What's wrong with Mandarich this time? Why are they placing him on the IR?
  Will he ever prove that he was worth being the 2nd over all pick in 
  '89 .........?
  
>I wouldn't be surprised to see Jerry Evans on the practice squad
>tomorrow.
> [stuff deleted]


Par Ingvarsson - pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se
Organization: Office of the Dean - CFA, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:55:00 -0400 
From: Liz Fox <lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
	<1992Aug25.163607.21250@bnr.ca>
Distribution: usa

On 25-Aug-92 in Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!    
user Cary Reams@bnr.ca writes:
> 
>So what would the Divisional breakdown of Super Bowl victories look like
>over the entire history of the Super Bowl (i.e. post-merger).


Not fair! -   All championships are equal!

NFC - East 7        AFC East 4
      West 4            West 3
      Cen. 3            Cen. 4
(I'm missing one somewhere  - this is off the top of my head) * Maybe
the Raiders had one more.

Joe
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From: richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: Buccaneer Update
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:25:08 GMT

Leo James (lej@pdn.paradyne.com) wrote:
: Buccaneer player cuts:
: 
:     Bruce Hill (WR),  John Garrett (WR), Todd McGuire (C), Kirk Kirk-
:     patrick (TE), Willie McClendon (RB),  Curtis Maxey (DL), Tim New-
:     ton (DL), James Malone (LB), Ken Swilling (LB), Sammy Lilly (DB),
:     Marcus Hopkins (DB),  Herbert James (DB), Carl Carter (DB), Klaus
:     Wilmsmeyer (K),  Alonzo Highsmith (FB),  Ricky Nattiel (WR), Mark
:     Robinson (SS), and Robert Hardy (RB).
: 
: Buccaneer player additions:
: 
:     Joey Browner (SS).
: 
: Buccaneer trade rumors:
: 
:     OLB Kevin Murphy, the team's last holdout player, will be signed
:     (maybe as soon as today) and traded to the Chargers for a condi-
:     tional 8th round pick in the 1993 NFL Draft.
: 
: Notes:
: 
:     The acquisition of former Vikings SS,  Joey Browner, facilitated
:     the departure of Mark Robinson, and re-unites Joey with his for-
:     mer boss, Floyd Peters.  Interestingly,  Joey's brother,  Keith,
:     was a 2nd round pick of the Buccaneers in 1984, and his brother,
:     Ross, played for Coach Wyche up in Cincinnati.
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From: turnera@hubcap.clemson.edu (Allen Turner)
Subject: Another Perry grows in Aiken (Home of William and Michael Dean)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:39:24 GMT

Copied without permission from The Greenville News 9/4/92

Aiken-William "The Refrigerator" Perry is one of the largest players in
National Football League History, but his high school jersy would not fit
his nephew, Aiken High's Dwayne Perry.

Dwayne Perry, the Hornets' 17-year-old senior defensive tackle, is 6-foot-1,
310 pounds.  The nephew of the Chicago Bears' best-known applieance and the
Cleveland Browns' Michael Dean Perry is bigger than both of his famous uncles 
we were in high school.  William weighed 280 pounds at Aiken High before 
ballooning to his current 320.  Michael Dean was 265 pounds at South Aiken, 
and now weighs in at 285 pounds.

...

"William knew the game of football much more than he (Dwayne) does," said
Freddie Perry, Dwayne's 6-foot-2, 330 pound father and the third of eight
Perry Brothers.  "Dwayne has that same cat-quickness and blows off the ball."

...

Another Perry prodigy may arrive by the year 2000.  Dwayne's nine-year-old 
brother, Marcus, is a 185-pound fourth-grader.


I thought this might be of general interest...Allen Turner
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Question For Steelers Fans
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:11:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>
I read in the Washington Post today that the Redskins traded a 7th round
draft pick in 1993 for a Steelers linebacker Huey Richardson.  He was
the 15th pick of the first round of the 1992 draft and got $1.25 million
as a signing bonus.  Scouts loved him because he was pretty much a
complete package, combining size (6-foot-5, 240 pounds), speed (4.8 in
the 40), intensity and intelligence.  So what gives?  How can us
Redskins lovers be so lucky?  Is it true that he has a major attitude
problem?  Or because he was a college defensive end tried at middle
linebacker then at outside linebacker?
>

according to Cowher he just "didn't have a place on a 47-man roster" for
Richardson. Cowher didn't feel that HR had what it took to help the
team--nothing to do with attitude suposedly.

--Vernon.
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers
Keywords: oilers
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>In article <dbrown.714768729@beagle>, dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU
>(David Brown) writes:

	*STUFF DELETED*

>|> 8.  Who will be the starting wideouts when the season opens?  
> 
>Duncan, Harris, Jeffires, and Harris would be my guess.

I assume you mean Duncan, Harris, Jeffires, and Givens.	    

Thats all T. Mac
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From: cboeker@batph78.bnr.ca (Craig Boeker)
Subject: Re: probable starters by team and position..(please update)
Reply-To: cboeker@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Atlanta
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.173436.604123@zeus.calpoly.edu>, eanderso@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric W. Anderson "ERK") writes:
|> 
|> Several people have been requesting this kind of info so ...
|> 
|> For people making corrections, please highlight with an asterick. Thanks.
|> 
|> 
|> TEAM           QB's           WR's           RB's           K's
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> FALCONS    	Miller         Rison          Broussard      Johnson
|>                               Pritchard
|>                               Haynes
|> 

				scratch Rison - not signed
				T. Jones
				Drew Hill
				(the Falcons start 4 recievers)

					     Tony Smith may start at RB
                                               also this year (actually
                                               every Falcon back will
                                               probably start at least
	                                       once)
					     
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins suck? Not on your life!
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:38:02 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:

>Then why was it that the Redskins played their starters for much longer
>than the Vikings? I would think that Joe Gibbs would at least want to
>score before the regular season.

Coach Gibbs apparently wanted his offensive men to get some more playing
time before the first regular game against Dallas; some key players 
are still not up to their par.  For instance, two key offensive players,
QB Mark Rypien and OT Jim Lachey, are still rusty due to their long
holdouts.  Also, the lineup of the offensive line has been changed too
often due to holdout and injuries.

From what I understand, the Redskins' offensive line is still not in
an excellent shape, and their offensive linesmen corp is real thin. 
If there are any more injuries to the offensive linemen the Redskins 
are going to be in serious trouble.


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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Packer Question
Organization: Motorola
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:08:19 GMT

What is the extent of the injury to Darrell Thompson?????

Is he out for the season, is out for longer than a month?????

Email answers to me!!!

Thanks in advance!!

Chris.....
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From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Subject: Re: EATING WORDS!
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:45:17 GMT

In article <55968@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.190730.5314@gvl.unisys.com> cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins) writes:
>>  After living in Boston for the last year, I can relate to this....I thought
>>  the city was going to shut off the electricity when Larry Bird retired!!
>>  But as someone so eloquently put it earlier, at least Larry retired in 
>>  style, after his body reached the point that it was NO LONGER COMPETITIVE
>>  AT THE PRO LEVEL!
>
>
>Wrong group but, Larry retired in style? In and out of the lineup all year
>with a bad back, constantly screwing up the lineup as they had to keep
>changing the substitution patterns depending on Larry's back. And then
>to top it off he accepted his position on the Olympic team and spent most
>of the time lying down on his back in front of the bench while a more 
>deserving player sat at home watching on NBC(or was it the Triplecast).
>Then after a year of being asked if he should retire, he finally announced
>that he was done.
>
>Style would have been to hang it up before the season and let the team get
>on with their future.
>
>
>

  Yeah Russ, I take your point....he did play (OK, SIT...) a season too many,
  but I think Joe has too.  But he DID finally retire, and from all I've heard
  on the net, Joe won't retire until he can no longer walk!  I guess since I
  don't pay anything LIKE as much attention to basketball as I do to football,
  I didn't really think about how much Larry was out last year...

  And I posted it to this group because the topic was about football....only
  my example wasn't.  Hey, maybe Larry could start for the Patriots....nahhh.

  Pete Collins
  Cowboys in `92!

>
>Russ Smith
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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Halley to Cowboys for draft choices
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:35:23 GMT


Just heard that Charles Halley was dealt to the Cowboys for undisclosed
draft choice(s) in 1993.  This is contingent upon Halley passing a
physical, and the choices are determined by his play.

Opinion:  I don't see this as any big deal for the Cowboys.  Halley has
always been over-rated IMHO and his potential for whining about 
"appreciation" could be a distraction.  I think it will be a plus for the
Cowboys, but I wouldn't count on a big contribution.  It appears that the
Niners had to clear out some high paid players to make room for Rice's
salary.  Canley and (someone who's name escapes me) were released today too.
It think it's a mistake for the Niners.  They did alright on offense last
year, but their defense was suspect.  Time will tell.


Gordon
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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers news..  Gagliano starts
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:20:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


o Ross finally named Gagliano the starter vs. KC. But the proverbial
  sword of Damocles [in this case, Humphries'] hangs over his head.
The first sign of poor play, and Humphries might be in there. At
least, having to choose is a problem I would rather see them have,
as compared to putting Tolliver in there. I saw him for Atl the
other day.. hoho.. he is still shooting that baby 10 yds over the
head of every receiver.

o They cut 4 WRs, a position where they need help desperately, 
  Claiborne, Stanley, Thigpen & one other guy. I expect the 
three to get back into camp though. 

o The opener vs. KC is taking big-game proportions. It could be 
  the difference between going 1-3 and 2-2 off the bat. For a young
team like SD, a win over KC would be a great morale-booster. 

o Important matchup vs KC: SD's def. line vs. KC's
  Okoye/Word/whatshisname, and which Krieg will show up.


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From: 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lion vs. Patriots
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:13:27 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

I did not see the game either.  I read that Peete played well.  Andre got
off to a rough start -- missing his first four passes -- but then got his
act together and completed four of his last five, including a td to Willie
Green.  Mel Gray caught a td pass from Peete and run back a kickoff for
another td.  I see where Kevin Glover signed yesterday.  I don't think
Crockett played.  In fact, I think he had arthoscopic surgery will be out
 a few weeks.  The only regular in the secondary was William White.
Bob
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