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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
Keywords: sarcasm, seriousness
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:52:35 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <4631@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.150521.26147@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>[history deleted]
>
>|> This is exactly why so many of us hate to see religion brought into 
>|> discussions in groups like misc.kids.  With few exceptions, religious
>|> discussions very quickly get out of the "here's how we do it" vein, and 
>|> into "you're all going to Hell, and my God can beat up your God" snits.
>|> 
>|> Could we cool it for a while?  Can we all get along here?

>On a serious note: I think that we can get along.  I would also hope that
>each side of any issue can be _discussed_ in this forum without resorting
>to personal _attack_.  We're all adults, remember?

You have apparently been reading a different misc.kids.

>Religion, for those of use that choose to practice, is an integral part of
>life.  I feel that it is an interesting and important part of this mix, 
>just as the homosexual, athiest, single, jewish, person-of-color, democratic,
             ^^^^^^^^^^
A good example.  Try stating that it's fine for homsexuals to be parents
and teachers, and see how much understanding and tolerance you get.

>republican, perotion or any other viewpoint is important to this forum.
>
>Guidelines for the discussion of (potentially) controversial issues might
>include:
>...
>Avoiding a topic will provide no understanding or tolerance.  Discussing
>it with an attitude of mutual respect and consideration will.

I agree whole-heartedly with everything you've said.  I'd love to see
reasonable discussion.  I'd love to see tolerance and understanding.  I
just haven't seen much of those when the topic of religion had come
up, and I'm not optimistic.  If you think you can get us all to do
better, more power to you.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: karenw@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Karen A Walker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Odor after garlic (was Re: Bad Breath in 2YO)
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:49:07 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

One thing I have noticed with my 2 year old son is that I can't
give him anything with garlic in it.  He develops a really
strong odor for a day or two after having garlic.  It was
really noticeable when I had someone taking care of him at
my home and I walked in after work one day and could smell
my son before I even got near him.  After that, I asked his
nanny to avoid giving him food with garlic in it (like 
spaghetti sauce, ravioli, etc.).  I now carefully check out
ingredients prior to purchase if it is something my son will
be eating.
			Karen Walker
From: ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:55:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Hampton Rhoads, Virginia
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Is that near Virginia Beach?  I have a classmate who is an engineer who lives
there and works in Norfolk.  She has kids in elementary school.  She lives
in the Lynnhaven school area.  She utilizes a live-out full time child care/
housekeeper for 3 kids at about $1100/mo.  She and her husband have had 
full employment, and have been able to buy a beautiful life-style on two
incomes there.  If I remember right, they're quite pleased with the school
system, too.  Their housing is about 1/4th what I pay here in Silicon

Valley, and if you're at JPL, you'll be pleased too.

Good Luck
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Worries (WAS: Re: Waking up at night)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:29:22 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Jul19.031520.24996@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:

   In article <168283AE3.M16585@mwvm.mitre.org> M16585@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
   >In regards to the breastmilk---We stored in both glass bottles(baby bottles)
   >and in playtex disposables, used the whole thing, liner-bottle-nipple-etc.

   I hate to be vague, but - I remember when I was freezing breast milk, several
   sources said not to store breast milk in glass bottles. It had something to do
   with the antibodies sticking to the glass. I used plastic bottles.	
   > 

Sheesh, and guess what I heard: plastic is much more porous than
glass, so that various nutrients, etc, will be more likely to decay
from being stored in plastic bottles (is what I heard). This is
especially true for the plastic disposible bags.

Glass is pretty inert, that's why chemists use it. Anyone ever do the
experiment in school with a plastic bag and dye? We put something (I
forget what, it made a kind of gel) inside the bag, and sealed it and
immersed it into some water with food coloring in it. Sure enough, the
food coloring got into the bag (I forget how long it took, I'd guess
some hours or days).



-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!

4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
by 'supermomcow' :-)
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:47:14 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>In article <mylene.711776752@swanee> mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Mylene Pijpers
>) writes:
>>Some months ago I just walked in the sun and I thought: YEP! I feel
>>physically normal again, like I felt before Josanne was born. (Say
>>8 months, she is 11 mo. now)
>
>Its been 6 months for me, and I finally feel perfectly normal when walking
>and lifting things, though my c-section scar is still pink and has a
>slight burning sensation.

I just wanted to post a counterexample, so people wouldn't think that
a c-section necessarily means 6 months of not feeling normal.

Carrie was born almost 5 weeks ago, via c-section following relatively
long labor.  I felt physically back to normal, including swinging my
32 pound two year old over my head, by the time four weeks had passed.
I get a little tired in the afternoon, but I think anyone whose sleep
is broken at 3 am would feel the same.  And now for a little bragging
- I'm down to 4 pounds BELOW my prepregnancy weight, after five weeks!
Breastfeeding is a great way to diet!

(Lest anyone think I am some physical fitness maniac, I really could
stand to lose another 25 pounds, and hate to exercise unless it is doing
something fun.)  This is just meant to show that a c-sectin doesn't
have to put you out of commission for months.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, almost 2, and Carrie, 5 weeks
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lleut@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger)
Subject: Bradley Classes
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:46:29 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


As some of you may recall my husband and I were taking what we
thought were Bradley childbirth classes last month.  It turned
out that our instructor was not a certified instructor and was 
not teaching us anything of use so we asked her for our money
back and started looking for other classes.  

After a week of calling every instructor within an hour of us
we finally located someone that was willing to give us private
classes (with only 6 weeks until the due date I think we were
lucky to find anything).  These classes have turned out to be
absolutely wonderful.  I highly recommend Bradley classes for 
those that are interested in natural (vs. prepared) childbirth.

The woman that was "teaching" our first set of classes said she
would refund our entire class fee - but when we went to pick up
the money she withheld $50.  We have given up on ever getting
that money back (it just isn't worth our time or stress to deal
with this woman) but we did contact the national office and they
contacted this woman and the doctor's office she was working out
of.  Hopefully this woman will not be claiming to teach Bradley 
classes any longer.


Our current instructor is starting a full 12 week course in october
and asked if we would let "all those people on the computer" know
about the class.  [she asked us how we found out our old instructor was
not doing the right thing so we told her how helpful everyone on
this newsgroup had been with helping us.]  She lives in Spring Valley, NY
(in Rocklin county not far across the tappan zee bridge from Westchester
county).  If you would like more information about her classes
please send me mail and I will send you her name and phone number.


---lisa leutenegger
   lleut@watson.ibm.com
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:33:09 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Jul22.121232.12640@linus.mitre.org> kvt@willow.mitre.org writes:
>Just a question from someone who has no experience in
>double last names (hyphenated or otherwise):
>
>What happens in the future when John Michael Doe-Smith marries
>Mary Marie Poppins-Johnson?  Do there kids then become little
>Doe-Poppins-Smith-Johnsons? or do some of the names get dropped
>in which that heritage the was so intentionally ment to be preserved
>gets lost in that generation anyways?  And I sure wouldn't want to be
>around for the next generation.
>

Ah well, at least all we're talking about is some extra
orthography and euphonics.

Pity the poor person whose arms contain five or six quarterings,
or the herald who has to recognize him at 100 yards and announce
him correctly.

And if you miss even a hint of bordure wavy or bend sinister, you
could be in deep trouble.

8-), prn

-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:09:29 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <l7frgnINNonr@earth.cs.utexas.edu> adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar) writes:
>
>In spite of nursing Sebastian I still have 10 pounds left at 18 months
>now. I don't think highly of dieting. So I won't do that. I feel slim
>but it seems that my body composition simply has changed. I have this
>theory that women with relatively low weight at the beginning of their
>pregnancy have a harder time getting back to prepregnancy weight. Can
>anyone support or refute this?
>

  Funny thing; I've always thought the opposite - from my own experience,
and that of several slender friends, it seems to me that they have a much
easier time getting back to their pre-pregnancy weight, even if they 
didn't want to.  I have always been very slender, but fairly tall, and
I gained 28 pounds with both my pregnancies.  I lost most of that rapidly,
and without effort, and the last 5 went after I stopped nursing.  I've
had several slender friends that did the same.  
  One factor that could make the difference in thinking about this is
whether you are talking about women that are slender, but have to work
at it, or whether the group is made up of women that were just born to
be thin.  I'm definately in the latter category ("slender" is the polite
word; most would call me "skinny", or worse), and so are the people I've
got in mind.  I eat a fairly normal amount, but apparently burn it all
up just in the course of daily living.  Pregnancy does not seem to have
changed that one bit.
  Now, if you are talking about body **shape**, I can tell you for sure
that my weight re-distributed itself, and no amount of spot toning has
changed that.  My waist is bigger and my bust is smaller (I know, you
are supposed to get bigger after pregnancy/nursing, but there is a
quiet minority out there that gets smaller after every baby.  I have
no idea why that should be, but it is my theory that the small get
smaller, the big get bigger, and a certain number in between stay the
same!)
  Now we have two theories to debate -- weight loss and bust loss!
 
					Susanne Gilliam
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19794 sci.med:14608
From: kgs@drutx.ATT.COM (Karen Swayze)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Summary: Rhogam
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:30:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>, JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennifer Brown) writes:

> Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
> opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
> is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
> and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
> developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
> any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
> against the child being in my womb.
> 
> In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
> handicaps, etc.
> 
> Can anyone confirm this for me?  Am I crying over nothing?

Yes, you are crying over nothing.  If you have RH negative blood and you give
birth to an RH positive baby, it should be an automatic requirement that you
get a shot of rhogam after the baby is born.  This takes care of any antibodies
you may have built up against the RH positive blood of your baby.  In some cases
they may even give you a shot of rhogam during the pregnancy.  Check with your
OB/GYN.  This blood mismatch is not a problem anymore.

> 
> This has really upset me to think of this possibility, but HOPE that it's
> not true.  Then find out from the Red Cross that it is true.  I have O-,
> he has A+.  Also, my mother is A.  Positive I think.  (Dad, too, that's
> another reason I thought I'd be A+)
> 

This was a bit of a shock to us also.  My mom was A+ and by dad was B+ or
vis versa, but my older sister and I were B-.  It turns out that my father's
father was O- and one of my mother's parents may have been RH negative, too.
We found out when we were kids because when you get shipped over-seas in the
military they check things like that.

> Is there a possibility that I have these antibodies already, from when
> I was born?  If so, and if my above statements are correct, then isn't
> it also possible that the first child who has RH+ will be rejected by
> my body?
> 

I've never heard of any case where someone had the antibodies built up
before pregnancy, but it is possible to have it happen early in the
pregnancy if bleeding from the placenta occurrs.  Again, check with your
Ob/Gyn and be sure to mention that your husband is RH positive.

> Help!  This really ruins my day.
> 
> -Jennifer
> 
> PS.  I'll try checking the two newsgroups for replies this week, but
>      if you'd also send me a copy, I'll love you to death.

I hope this helps.  By the way, both of my children were RH positive.

Karen Swayze
AT&T Bell Labs
Denver, CO
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:00:25 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <23JUL199209072925@addvax.llnl.gov> kettering@addvax.llnl.gov (Brett 'Volleyball Is My Game' Kettering) writes:

>It's OK if you don't
>believe in a Diety, but some of us do and do not consider that Diety to be

"Diety"?  Are we talking about Richard Simmons?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Electronic Monitoring (was Use of drugs during labor)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:06:50 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

When we were shown the monitoring equipment during our hospital tour,
we were told that mom gets 30 minutes of monitoring when she first
arrives at the hospital just to get an idea of how the fetus is reacting
to the contractions. As a quality engineer who is familar with control
charts, the description our instructor gave us made sense to me. They
look at the fetal heartbeat during the contraction and how it rebounds
after the contraction ends. It's ok if it spikes upward during the
contraction, but they look for it to settle back into a nice regular
beat once the contraction ends. If the heartbeat is particularly erratic,
during and after contractions, they will monitor more closely.

Seems to me this kind of analysis is easier to do with an electronic
monitor. But, hey, I'm an engineer and think all this technology is
pretty nifty.
-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita Wiltberger)
Subject: Rebecca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:10:00 GMT

Sorry I have to post my reply but I lost Mikes e-mail address...

I did talk with Rebecca and it boiled down to she thought it was silly 
to have to "pee" into a cup.  She has no problem with urination.  She 
really doesn't think that it's "icky".  She also remembered that I had 
to collect morning samples when I was pregnant with the two babies and 
the bottles they gave me were much smaller than the cup she was given.  
The first time she has to do that, she was much to young to remember.  
She knows that this is something that is going to have to be done from 
now on.  It was just getting over the initial time.

As far as point 2, I really don't know.  I have 3 girls and no boys so I 
really can't say anything to that.

Rita
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re; feeling normal after preg
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:37:05 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

I'm not sure I understood the original post, but I still don't feel *normal*
At least, not what I used to feel as 'normal'.  But I've come to realize
that normal-prepregnancy and normal-postpregnancy are two entirely different
states.  Neither is *better* than the other, just different.
 
The one aspect of my life that I've had the hardest time adjusting to is our
sex life.  Mostly because I've had a hard time getting enthused, but not for
a lack of trying on my husband's part.
 
I've been incredibly lucky, before-during-after pregnancy, I gained 55lbs
but not only did I lose them in five mo, without trying, I have lost an add-
itional 18lbs, again without trying.  I was 30-35 lbs overweight prior.
 
I don't believe in diets, I believe in changing my lifestyle if I'm not happy
with something.  Diets don't usually work.
 
I've had a hard time feeling...sexy...though my friends and hubby insist
that I am.  Everyone says it's the extra weight after preg.---what's my
excuse?  I'm thinner now than I've been in years, I love it, but that
feeling of sexiness is still elusive.
 
Time away from my son doesn't change matters, sexy clothes/lingerie doesn't
matter.  I've even been trying that positive thinking idea--that's been the
most successful.
 
Oh well, I don't know what else to add--I'll post again if I think of any
 
Ellie
Living, Laughing, & Learning everyday.
From: sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Problem hair: Mom's
Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:25:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul21.150750.10826@samba.oit.unc.edu> cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn White) writes:

>I have switched hairdresser, but so far I still can't achieve
>that pre-pregnancy look.  Has anyone else found that their
>hair changed after pregnancy.  Maybe the next pregnancy will
>reverse this !?!?!?!?!?
>
>Cathryn W. Chiesa
>cew@med.unc.edu




A month after I had the baby, my hair started falling out in bunches.  One
day I was really scared when I washed my hair because a HUGE bunch of hair
just came out into my hands.  I heard that people loose their hair after
having a baby but this was scary!  My doctor told me not to worry and that
it would grow back.  It is doing that but it looks really strange, because
for a while I had something resembling a Mohawk because the hair was
really short and was sticking straight up on my scalp.  Even now, I have
things which look like bangs and I did not cut my hair.  All the hair
I lost is just growing back and makes my hair looks totally unruly.
Oh Well!!!


Sudha
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diapers at the beach (RE: infants in swimming pools)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 08:32:54 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) writes:
> A water logged diaper should not make it harder to float than no diaper
> at all.  Would a water logged diaper sink?  If it did, it would pull
> the kid down, but it does not sink.  They are wearing the water in the
> diaper just as much as they are wearing the water in the swimming
> pool.

How about when the baby is out of the pool after swimming? A heavy diaper
might pull down the swimsuit or just weigh too much to be comfortable.

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