HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Chauvinism....
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:25:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bw6MGG.DuI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>I don't understand why in this time and age, a man still expects a woman
>to be this-and-that.  Why some men inslave women to fulfill their fantasies?

 Because people haven't changed. They want some sex sometimes, want to eat
 often and love money, basicaly as it was a few thousands years ago. 
 They invented some mechanisms to make life easier (like electrical
 vibrators :) due to inherental lazyness. They also discuss some Ideas
 sometimes but mostly because they get bored. Otherwice, no changes have
 happened.

>For some, a woman must play a role of a princes in need of rescue, where a
>man is a great prince/husband who will rescue/support her. For others, a
>woman must play a role of goddess/saint, and man is the worshipper doing
>everything for his saintess, but nevertheless expecting her to be as devine
>as possible.

 Sure, but what's so suprizing for you? "Kazdomy svoe".

>Dear Sirs, instead of talking about what women should be, seek psychological
>help. 

  Why? Everybody has its own picture of the world. Women are just a part
 of this picture. Do you ever think what kind of person your child will
 be? Let's say, what do you like him to be? Why, for instance, do  you try
 to teach your child?  The same with women.

> Instead of saying that there is no sexism in Russia, go back to your

  I agree, the same people. "Tolko kvartirnyi vopros nemnogo isportil
  ih".

>Try to remember who was suppose to work everyday, take care of children, and
>cook food, and who came home after work to read newspaper and watch TV.
 
 So, what. That was old commi times. Everybody agreed that we must give
 a freedom to women: let them stay at home, take care of children and 
 cook food. 

>-----Garik the flameless.

S.B.
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Coming Doom? no....
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:03:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600019:000:1837
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 16 03:03:00 1992


Ever since I have become involved with people from the xUSSR, and
since Gorbachev put the future away from the formerly extrapolatable
path, I have heard hundreds of predicitons of the Coming Disaster
for Russia and etc.

Pogroms were imminent. Starvation was coming. Mass civil war.
Panic in the streets. Food riots any day now. Nuclear War.

Not a one has come true.

Sometimes I get the feeling that these "predictions" are partly
rationalizations by people who want to leave Russia for economic
reasons of their own (i.e. to become "rich" Americans) and
maybe need an extra kick in the pants to get out the door, to
leave their homes.

And they keep foreseeing Doom once they get to America because in
reality they miss their homes very much, and don't want anyone
else to enjoy what they left!!!!!!!!!!

Guess what? The people who stayed here foresee NO such Coming Doom.
From what I can tell, there is a lot of cautious optimism.
Everything is available, even if the price is higher. Two years
agothere was not one egg to be had in Moscow, and now every
street corner almost has eggs at competing prices. Chickens.
Honey. Ice cream. Milk. Pelmeni. Oranges! Lemons! Six varieties
of grapes! Street corners are piled high with Georgian arbuz.

Sure there is inflation. But it will stabilize without riots
and without everyone joining the pathetic Pamyat' parade
through the Metro station.

If you predict bad luck for Russia, please ask yourself, "Why would
you wish for such a thing?" And if you Netters out there sitting 
in America are so sure trouble is coming, then come here and help
stop it.

margaret

PS The snowy weather earlier this week brought out all the new winter
coats. It was quite a show. I don't think people go to such trouble to
look that good when they are at the edge of a complete breakdown in
civilization.
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Exam question
Date: 17 Oct 92 06:36:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:OLEG.92Oct15182951@sblapis2.cs.s:-628635917:glas:84600024:000:102
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 17 00:36:00 1992


It's on the wall at Pushkinskaya Metro. 

It kind of got to me one day, one of those Moscow days.

m.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky )
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:56:03 GMT

zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>IK:
>>Thank you, father, for sharing this insightful information with us :)
>>
>>Girl Irina

>My heart bleeds for you, Ira dearest.  To think that every man possessed of
>a greater insight than your own will be automatically taken by you to be
>your father!  You really must do something about that Electra thing of
>yours, and I don't mean the furry one you are now sitting on.

Getting a little insulting, aren't we? :)
Does insulting other people make you feel bigger and stronger?
Whatever makes you feel better I guess...

[ignoring the rest of the post due to unwillingness to read any more
insults]

Well. I have no comment and , since I am putting all your posts in my KILL
file so don't bother responding to this.


To Kostomaroff:

I was very impressed by your post and I didn't mean that its tone was wrong
All I meant is that probably more people would agree with your opinion if
the post wasn't written in such a tone. I do agree with your point of view
though -- its like my own thoughts being expressed in a very WISE (seriously)
manner.
I hope you are not humor impaired and take my post for what it is -- a joke.
I also hope you don't need "zashitnichkov" like Zeleny
Ira
From: ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:44:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Oct13.174404.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Oct13.190035.16831@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm
>.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:> Reprinted without permission 
>from  article <russia-fascistsU2OD1145ae@clarinet.com>

>>	MOSCOW (UPI) -- Blackshirted extreme Russian nationalists burst into
>>the offices of a leading Moscow daily Tuesday, read out an ultimatum to
>>the staff and threatened physical violence unless their demands were
>>met.

Some bloody stuff about current crimes by Pamyat' deleted. Now the msg itself:

> 
> Compare with theaters, street fashions, ice-cream, flowers and petals from
> our exclusive Moscow correspondent Patricia-Margaret.


If I understood it correctly, the comparision must prove clearly the
level of "exclusive correspondent's" ignorance  in Russian matters. In other
words (sorry, but I can not help myself):

     V to vremya kak vsya demokratiheskaya obschestvennost', s gnevom i
     bol'you uznav o novykh krovavykh delakh preslovutoj "Pamyati", krepit
     svoe stremlenie ne propustit' fashizm, esche nakodyatsya politigeski
     blizorukie borzopistsy, schebchuschie o tsvetax i morozhennom...
       
                              and so on. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Now I'm also going to demonstrate the chronic absence of political correctness.
To my mind as a reader it was much more interesting to learn about noticeable
changes in people's spirit and their ability to find something attractive to
wear. The minor political episod opposed to it is nothing but desperate attempt
of both sides to attract some more attention. Sort of political advertisement.
It is a boring habit now for all "parties" accounting up to 50 members to make
some noise. The fact that Pamyat' has 5,000 or even 50,000 followers changes 
nothing. The times when any demonstrations allowed by Central Committee and 
organized by KGB really meant changes (or their absence) has passed. This is
just information for these who didn't notice it and continue to apply ten
years' old standards. IRA activity in London is criminal chronicle and nothing
more. Why one must pay more attention to similar level events in Moscow?   

IMHO, the real topic in Russia now is a mood of silent majority. Patricia has
a gut feeling for it, that proves she has much more understanding of Russia
than some tasters' of Russian culture from this group. 

I am glad she is back!


-Serega, AK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Re: Lenin's Embalmers Speak
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:22:45 GMT

Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:

>And by the way, did you all know that Agatha Christi is a Russian 
>prose writer? Also Harold Robbins and Isaac Asimov.

Well, Isaac Asimov was born in Russia . . .

>>>====================>
   Bryan Stack 
   Omaha, Nebraska, USA
   momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu

--

>>>====================>
   Bryan Stack                             Telephone:  402-554-3258         
   Government Documents Librarian          FAX:        402-554-3215
From: burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:27:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct9.181322.16207@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1b2onpINNkhf@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>
>>Slushajte, grazhdane, u nih tam v Harvarde gnezdo, chto li?
>
>Chastushka:
>
>Po stene polziot kirpich,
>A za nim eshcho kirpich.
>Nu i pust' sebe polziot,
>Mozhet tam u nikh gnezdo.
>
>Misha.

Well, here is the version of these chastushki that I know.

Po stene polzyot kirpich,
Krasnoy armii boyets.       <-- This line is crucial in understanding Harvard!
A komu kakoye delo,
Mozhet tam ego gnezdo.

Anyway, tovarishchi-gospoda, how about posting your variations?


Not claiming to know which version is the right one,

Alex Burshteyn.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Re: New language--immigrantish...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:39:58 GMT

didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:

- In "immigrantish" I understand that people sign
their names with the last name first.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Trip to Russia, Siberia, Kazhakistan etc., Help!
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:28:03 GMT

In article <21108@plains.NoDak.edu>, bhati@plains.NoDak.edu (Amit Bhati) writes:
>Me and some of my friends are thinking of planning a 2 month trip to
>Russia (specially siberia, lake Baikal), Kazhakistan and such other
>countries of the former Soviet Union.
>   I would like people to send their suggestions in this regard.
>Specially ;
>
>- Any recommendations for good travel books to read for the above regions?
>
>- Addresses of reliable travel agents amateur/professional tour clubs.
>
>- We plan to do some mountain climbing/trekking etc. apart from pure sight
>  seeing. What places do you suggest?
>
>- Any other miscellaneous suggestion/observations.
>
>Please direct all responses to my e-mail address. I do not read this
>news group. Thanks in advance.
>
>Amit Bhati
>
>bhati@plains.NoDak.edu.us
>
>Ph: (701) 232-6754.
>
>Dept. of Computer Science,
>North Dakota State University,
>Fargo, ND 58102.
>USA



  I take it you are and your friends are rich people who saw "Realms Of the
Russian Bear"? ;->

    
                                                               adam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:39:48 GMT


I'm sorry if this question isn't exactly along the lines of this
newsgroup. 

I've seen "Boys 'n' Hood" (sp?) last week.

As those who saw it noticed, the father of main hero openly throws
ridiculous accusations towards white society (liquors are produced to
cut black people reproductive ability, guns are made for blacks to
kill each other etc). I've read the director claimed in an interview
that AIDS virus was produced in order to kill blacks. 

Theoretically anybody can say whatever [s]he wants. In practice not
everybody is allowed to. I am curious to learn if there was any
examples of the opposite sort in the recent history of Holywood
(namely - white guy making racially charged remarks WRT to blacks).

Thanks in advance.


				Sasha
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Khazar's in ex-Soviet Union
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:03:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <67769@cup.portal.com>, DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
> >I have a flame FROM khazars, for what it's worth.
> >
> >( Following info is taken from  memory,
> >please correct me, if I'm wrong, or give a source of it (-:[ )
> >
> >The 1 (first) written letter frm Kiev was found ...
> >in Egypt, in Alexandria Geniza -
> >from Khazars :  they complain, that Kievans are
> >very harsh to them, and ask to help with money
> >to pay unfair taxes or something like that imposed on them.
> >
> >It is in Hebrew, time - 9(??) cectury.
> >
> >Senya
> >
> 	You mean Russians were persecuting Jews 1000 years ago? Wow.
> I have not heard of this letter.
> 	I didn't think that the Khazars would have been paying tribute
> to Kiev. Interesting.
> 

I thought at one time the Khazars ruled over Kiev.  Anyone know?

		Seth Rosenthal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: anil@cs.titech.ac.jp (Anil Bhatia)
Subject: Export cars Japan-->Soviet
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Dept. of Computer Science, Japan
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:31:21 GMT

Fellow netters,
A friend of mine is looking for people who wish 
to start a business importing cars to the soviet.
She is in Japan and has all the info.
Anyone who can give info/help ...
thank you very much.

Please reply by e-mail to 
anil@cs.titech.ac.jp

Many thanks
Anil

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Sokurov is NOT an asshole!
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:31:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.003659.186401@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:

>  Hi!
>  >... some stuff deleted
>  >
>  >>  And what that asshole Sokurov made out of "Billion years before Doomsday"...
>  >>  This guy pretends to be something like "Tarkovsky today". But he just
>  >>  doesn't have the guts. He has fears and complexes, but no power or talent.
>  >>  At the presentation of "Billion years before Doomsday" I threw an orange
>  >>  at him. Wish it had been a 1000-ton concrete block.
>  >           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  >I wish it was, too. Then you would get "gryzha" trying to lift it, and wouldn't
>  >through this kind of groundless accusations on people, and call them names.
>  >I mean you might not like the way Sokurov works, but I don't see any reason to 
>  >call him an asshole.
>   Sure! I was incorrect and bring my apologies to Mr. Sokurov and to all
>  assholes too. There was no reasons to call an asshole Sokurov, or Sokurov
>  an asshole. You are right, as usual.
>   BTW, I _really_ regret about calling that guy that thing. But what you
>  do is much worse - not only you insult me, but you wish me harm. This
>  is ungood. Repent!
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OK. Ungood. At least not "za glaza". (Anybody knows the English equivalent?)

>   -- 
>  Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.

--Igor
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Can white men jump?
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:26:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct13.192653.16354
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Oct12.182206.12932@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:

> As racism among x-soviets is extremely widespread,

>Now let me disclose myself: I am a racist (it's a terrible word, but
>somebody will be calling names anyway so I prefer to cut this
>fruitless branch of discussion out). I don't believe that all
>races are made equal. 

Well, this is one more reason to hate x-Soviet
emigres. They are selfish, stupid and generally
nasty, particularly, racist. They don't understand
a heck in Russian culture since they are too far
too long, but they are helpless concerning anything
in America. I remember myself having a hard time
when I tried to learn from emigres what New Age means.

Being misguided in America, they apply their
idiotic xSoviet superstitions to the American
politics. Anyone who is bashing Commies is good,
John Birch Society is a haven for deep thoughts,
abortion and homosexualism and feminism is evil,
etc etc. You can find all this on scs in full
growth. Supporters of KKK and J. B. Soc. 
(well, potential ones) are usually racist.

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Sokurov is NOT an asshole!
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
	<NIKOLAY.92Oct11222437@husc10.harvard.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:41:22 GMT

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct11222437@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:

>  pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
> > Hi!

>  >>... some stuff deleted
>  >>
>  >>>  And what that asshole Sokurov made out of "Billion years before Doomsday"...
>  >>>  This guy pretends to be something like "Tarkovsky today". But he just
>  >>>  doesn't have the guts. He has fears and complexes, but no power or talent.
>  >>>  At the presentation of "Billion years before Doomsday" I threw an orange
>  >>> at him. Wish it had been a 1000-ton concrete block.
>  >>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  >>I wish it was, too. Then you would get "gryzha" trying to lift it, and wouldn't
>  >>through this kind of groundless accusations on people, and call them names.
>  >>I mean you might not like the way Sokurov works, but I don't see any reason to 
>  >>call him an asshole.
>  > Sure! I was incorrect and bring my apologies to Mr. Sokurov and to
>  > all assholes too. There was no reasons to call an asshole Sokurov,
>  > or Sokurov an asshole. You are right, as usual.

>  Here's a dilemma. If Sokurov in not an asshole, why do his
>  films have all the requisite qualities of any films made by an asshole?

What is your definition/criterium of a film made by an asshole? And,
to begin with, what exactly are the qualities one has to have for you
to call the person an asshole? What other films made by assholes can
you name? And what are the characteristics you find in Sokurov's films
which qualify them as such? Please pardon me for asking so many
questions - I am just curious in other people's point of view...

>  > -- 
>  > Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.

>  Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu

--Igor
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Luna Park....
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:50:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct12.225039.16316
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <Bw181J.KGq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:

>I just saw "Luna Park", movie made by same director who made "Taxi Blues".
>I did not like it: acting, accept for Borisov, was terrible and I did not like
>message of the movie, as I percieved it.  "Luna Park" has some of the same
>messages as "Taxi Blues": in the choas of x/SU can people come to some sences,
>maybe by finding love/like toward each other. I think this is the main theme
>of the movie, and I have nothing against it. What I don't like, and maybe
>this is my jewishness speaking, is the secondary theme: a jew who serves as
>the minority against who russian nationalism is aimed.

You must be joking.  Against whom do you believe the Russian nationalism to
be aimed?  There are the prodigal brothers (Ukrainians, etc.), and then
there are pernicious agents of the international Zionist conspiracy.
That's it.  Read _Russophobia_, if you have any doubts in this matter.

>I understand that picking a jewish character is just a convinience, after all,
>jews are alway in the middle of every problem/event in almost every country
>in the world :-).  But, why make a jewish character so pitiful? To make 
>russian nationalists feel shameful for picking on a pitiful jew?  To show
>that back-boneless jews have as many problems as confused-but-very-proud
>russians?  If this is directors aim (and I will take all of this back, if
>someone will give me a better interpretation of this movie), then I think
>this movie is just perpetuation of old anti-semitic believes.

Would you rather Longuine, who is, by the way, a Jew, have opposed the
"confused-but-very-proud" Russians with a machinegun-toting Rambo with
sidelocks?  The pathetic Jewish musician does not have to represent all of
the Russian Jewish community, except to those predisposed towards judging
it as inherently weak and pernicious at the same time.  As a matter of
personal preference, I found Naum's character to be rather attractive, his
frailty and amorality notwithstanding.  And the fact that the virile,
self-righteous hero manages to recover his decency by accepting this frail
and amoral Jew as his father is enough to make up for the film's operatic
excesses in my eyes.  Hic jacet lepus.

>As always, I might be wrong. If I am please show me light, and I will follow 
>you. I will call you the creator of the meaning, and I will cook little 
>animals for you.

Make mine civet.

>---Garik.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: research
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:23:01 EST

     I'm writing a political thriller set in Eastern Europe. I've
done quite a lot of research on the subject, especially concerning the
various intelligence agencies of the area. Now everything's changed, &
I don't seem to be able to get the necessary information.

     Please, if you have any information about the NEW, FULL name (in
the native language of the country) & abbreviation of the intelligence
agencies of Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, the Czech & Slovak Republics &
Rumania, leave me a message. Any additional information is highly
appreciated. I know these names have been published in the various
newspapers of the countries mentioned above, but I don't speak any E-
European language, so...

Also, if you know something about the KGB's former Alpha Group, or
(please DON'T laugh) any cigarette brand ANYWHERE in the world, please
reply.

Again, I'd truly appreciate your help. In return, I'll be more than
happy to provide any information I have about the subject (i.e. the
cloak
& dagger world).
     I'm sorry for intruding in this conference with such an
inappropriate request, but I'm desperate, & can't figure out where is
the
right place to post my message. Thanks for your patience.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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