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From: knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu (Kevin Nechodom)
Subject: Re: Admission to Mensa
Organization: University of Utah STACC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:49:52 GMT

In article <920725164248.2080b8a7@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
[deleted stuff]
>  The SAT cutoff is 1250 (or 1300 prior to 1970). 
>                                              --Syed Shibli

Hmm.  I was about to make some wise crack about the entropy of
intelligence (evidenced by the decline in the SAT cutoff) when I
realized that I needed a little more information.

Is anyone aware of the reasoning behind the change?  Since the scores
are standardized, I don't think any comparison is possible, but maybe
there was a change in the calculation?

Who knows?
-- 
Kevin Nechodom UofU STACC        | Great Moments in Physics History:
 UofU doesn't even know I exist; | "E= m c cubed?  No, too gaudy.
 how would they care what I say? |  E= m c ?  No, too simple.
knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu       |  E= m c squared?  Ah, ha!"
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Newsletter costs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:35:24 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

Craig.Wagner@p2.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Wagner) writes:
>And if you had a 57 page calendar section, it *still* wouldn't likely ever be
>enough.  Having a 12 page calendar section is wonderful for you (I suppose - I
>haven't seen it;  is it all small type?  Inundated with unnecessary or repeated
>details?)

12 pages is the just about the minimum amount of space we could produce a
calendar in.  We have over 50 events each month.  With descriptions of the
events, and directions it easily adds up to 12 pages.

>Someone has to decide what's "reasonable" to ask members to
>subsidize in the way of calendar events they may never attend, or articles they
>may never read.  In this case, since national is disbursing the funds, that
>"someone" must be national.

When you join a group, you join to be *able* to take advantage of what
benefits it offers.  The fact is that 90% of *any* social group remains
inactive, and won't get much benefit from membership.  So don't look at
it as subsidizing articles you may never read, look at it as not choosing
to read articles you have already subsidized.

And where did you get the idea that your dues are going to subsidize calendar
events?  Of the money sent to local groups, most of it (if not *all*) goes
toward production of your local newsletter.
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From: ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Is the Bible really what the authors wrote?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:50:43 GMT

ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen) writes:
> (Oh, well...I guess I've made it pretty obvious that there are no crosses (a
> symbol of death) hanging around anywhere nearby where *I* live.)

Actually...before I get flamed for this (I know you're out there, -grin-)
I'll set my argument for this down, too...

---> AS I SEE IT:
                  Jesus was put to death on a cross, as was thousands of others
                     throughout history.  The cross was, at the time, a means
                     of murder - aka. a device specifically designed for murder.
                  *I* see a crucifix (a cross) as a symbol of death.

  BTW...I still stand by my question of why the Bible is seen as 'truth' and
others are seen as 'fiction'.  (eg. What about Japanese, Chinese, Celtic, or
Hindu gods/godesses?)
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Why GREENSleaves?
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:32:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul25.060938.20652@cs.mcgill.ca> mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.150749.14551@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> 
>johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com writes:
>>Perhaps there were once black plants, but they all died of boredom?
>
>Don't mildew qualify as black plants?

  I think mildew is a fungus, not a plant.  
   

-- 
   _/   _/  _/  _/_/_/   _/   _/  
  _/_/ _/  _/  _/   _/  _/_/_/
 _/ _/_/  _/  _/       _/ _/                    Nicholas C de Mello
_/   _/  _/   _/_/_/  _/   _/                     Nick+@pitt.edu
From: ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Is the Bible really what the authors wrote?
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:41:39 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen) writes:
> 
>  EJ> What makes the Bible so different as to not be subject to
>  EJ> the same amount of criticism as the Illiad or Odyssey? 
>  EJ>  It cannot be said that
>  EJ> the difference is the mention of 'God', because both 
>  EJ> of the Homer books also contain mentionings of 'gods'.
> 
> And because nobody ever claimed that gods *wrote* Homer's stuff. Lots of books
> *mention* gods; that point is irrelevant. But anyhow, let me try to think like
> a Fundamentalist for a minute and see what I can come up with:
> 
> 1) The Bible was written by God, not by mere mortals.  His memory is perfect.

This is disputable, as well.  Both of them.  First, what *exactly* do you
include in "The Bible"...both Testaments, or only the Old?  The New was written
by "mere mortals" as you called them - they (at least MANY of them) are letters
by the authors to certain kings, priests, etc.  They even SAY so in writing.

Second, I've been thinking a lot about this 'perfect' lately...(after all, I'm
taking Philosophy in college)... The simple way to refute this portion of your
argument is to simply say: "Well, 'God' has never been PROVEN to exist, and in
order to have a memory in the first place, he would need to exist, right?" 

But I'll try to do this by using something OTHER than the 'simple' way.  :)

> 2) The translators of the editions we accept were very devout men, who prayed
> for divine guidance, and of course received it in order to create perfectly
> accurate translations.

It is common knowledge (at least for the people I know) that anything in
'italics' was ADDED by the translators of the KJV (King James' Version).  I
myself have seen the word 'not' italicised in just the right spot as to make the
particular verse have the exact OPPOSITE meaning.  (Sorry, can't seem to
find one right now...didn't write it down at the time, and this IS a big book.)

So these people (whether or not they were being the pens of 'God') occasionally
CHANGED what they were translating.  The U.S. even has an "American Revision
Committee" (seen on a copy of an American Standard Edition)

> 3) Shut up you commie faggot or we'll burn you at the stake.  Whoops, sorry, I
> got carried away.
 
Ok...I'll forget you said that.  :)

 - ericj@eskimo.celestial.com - "Hey! Gimme my two cents back!"
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Genius sperm bank
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:44:41 GMT

In article <49587BD7C0205567@ccfvx3.draper.com>, seb@draper.com (Steve Bacher Batchman) writes:
> After all that talk about how idiotic it was for Nobel prize winners to
> offer their sperm, now we seem to have evidence that, contrary to the
> pooh-poohers and maysayers, Genius Sperm Kids really DO have higher
> intelligence (however you define it)!
> 
> If so, then this opens up once again the "master race" wormcans.
> 
> Now, there is a difference between attaining a master race by murdering
> all those who don't fit the bill and only breeding those who will, so
> maybe we're not talking Hitler here just yet.  Still, I have some
> serious problems with this whole setup.  What happens now?  Will 
> women refuse to procreate with just anybody, but gravitate toward
> Grade A Select Spermatozoa?  Will not-so-smart-but-good-hearted people

I was thinking about this statement.  And I decided that since you
seem (you may not have intended it) to be referring to a woman's
right to choose the father of her child and all the qualities
of that individual, I think an appropriate quote is, "Your rights
end where my nose begins."  Consider that democracy and egalitarianism
and all that are well and good, but I think most would agree that
that doesn't apply to forcing a person to mate at random.  And even
if you felt that it did, (rather than forcing a person to Consider
mates from the general population, which is a different question),
you would not find much success.  Bottom line is, what an individual
does with their sperm or eggs probably doesn't fall under the auspices
of equal rights bills.  It gets into some pretty tricky logic and
judgement calls.

GMS
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Is the Bible really what the authors wrote?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:09:49 GMT

In article <6lS-s5B@engin.umich.edu>, willism@engin.umich.edu (Mark Benjamin Willis) writes:
> In article <1992Jul19.014650.1256@eskimo.celestial.com> ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen) writes:
> >besides, almost the entire Old Testament was handed down for many generations
> >orally, just like Homer's two books, so why don't religious people have faith
> >in those books?  
> 
> In this excerpt Eric identifies with many other people who have strugled with
> the question of the authenticity of the Bible.  Eric's question deals with the
> issue of whether or not the Bible we have today is the same Bible that was 
> written many years ago.  It turns out that the archeological evidence 

This is the key, I believe.  Once it is written, it is entirely possible
to be accurate in subsequent copies.  However, word of mouth is quite
different.  And humans have a way of misremembering information to fit
their current, personal interpretation.  I've heard some pretty wierd
description differences between accounts by eye-witnesses of the same
event.

> Whitmore Lake, MI  48189                Bumpersticker:  He who dies with the
> (313) 449-5638                                          most toys is dead!

I like the .sig.


GMS
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: TRUE BLUE?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.150227.3850@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> 
> In article <14881@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul28.205220.2240@ugle.unit.no>, mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard) writes:
> > > 
> > > How come the sky is blue?
> > 
> > Refraction.
> 
> Specifically, selective refraction.  

Oh, you want to get specific, do you?

What about the satlantic?
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: speed of light and age of the universe
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:40:30 GMT
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>We may yet lose our patience with you.
>
>Do not pretend to be us or to know our mind.  We have humans for this
>role -- namely such television evangelists as Oral Roberts.  Do not
>join them in their fate.
>
>We are not amused.
>
>God

  In my quest to find the Existence of God, I decided to trace the
  path of this article but a few seconds later, my screen exploded.
  A thunderous voice filled my cubicle and urged me to rotate my tires.
  The lightning blinded my eyes and all I can hear after that was
  God saying: "For every action there is an equal and opposite
  reaction. Otherwise, your pants would be too big."  I blacked 
  out a few minutes later. 

-- 
                                              --Syed Shibli
                                                ssr48327@vax1.utulsa.edu
                                                +1 918 631 3257
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Admission to Mensa
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:42:48 GMT
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chrisb@wixer.cactus.org (Chris Blandy) writes:

>    I have a few questions about admission to Mensa, and this seems like the
>correct venue to ask.  First of all, what are the requirements of admission
>to Mensa?  Is there a battery of skills that Mensa prefers, or will SAT
>scores do?

  The SAT cutoff is 1250 (or 1300 prior to 1970). 

-- 
                                              --Syed Shibli
                                                ssr48327@vax1.utulsa.edu
                                                +1 918 631 3257
From: dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T=Killfiles and whoami
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:41:42 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Reston, VA

In article <1992Jul28.225210.28598@ncsu.edu>, tai-sa@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott A Tai) writes:
[some previous quotes deleted]
> I guess I am what you eat.
> 
> Maybe if your hollombe friend discontinued posting kill files for my id, 
> I wouldn't have to continually modify it.  Then everyone would be happy.  
> 
> Get it?
> 
> --Scott Tai
>   tai@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
>   "Not amused"

So you are changing your id because some people are putting the old ones in
their killfiles?  Pardon me, but that seems awfully arrogant.  What's it to
you if no one wants to read what you have to say?  Are your posts so important
that everyone MUST read them?

I can respect anyone who puts forth controversial and unpopular opinions, but I
have only contempt for someone who tries to force others to read them.

[Sorry for butting in to this thread, but I felt compelled to do so.]
-- 
                                           Dave Marshall
                                           dmarshal@stars.reston.unisys.com
From: smlacke@isrc.sandia.gov (Scott M Lackey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IQ vs. Faith
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:09:10 GMT
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM

From article <1992Jul27.190122.26182@ttinews.tti.com>, by hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath):
> In article <1992Jul23.210747.23644@infonode.ingr.com> crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross) writes:
> 
> }Actually, I understand that it takes some number of *millions* of years for
> }the energy created in the sun's core to reach its surface.  Sudden failure
> }of solar fusion wouldn't be noticed for some time.  Who knows but what it may
> }have quit 10,000 years ago.
> 
> I understand there's concern about this in some scientific circles.
> Something about the Sun not producing the predicted number of neutrinos.
> 

	My knowledge on neutrinos may be well out of date, but I was
  under the impression that neutrinos interacted so weakly with 
  other matter that we could not easily detect them.  Is it
  really possible to detect them easily enough for a comparison
  with prediction to have any meaning?

> The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
> Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
> 3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
> Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: M email directory
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:01:41 GMT
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hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

>In article <Bs3u22.K51@world.std.com> rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:
>}My follow was intended to refer to the concern for making the e-mail
>}directory available only to Mensans.  I deleted the wrong paragraph...
>}
>}rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:
>}
>}>Piece of cake!  Just encrypt it and don't give anyone the key.  Use a
>}>code that only a Mensan can break.  :-)
>
>}[ ... ]
>
>Why the concern?  Our e-mail addresses are hardly private as it is.
>Anyone can monitor r.o.m and get them from the headers.  Most of us put
>them in our .signature files besides.  My only worry would be the
>possibility of junk e-mail being sent to all of us.  I think the sheer
>volume of return fire that would generate would quickly discourage the
>practice. (Besides, it's easier and cheaper to post to the group

  I'm not sure what you mean by "junk" E-mail. Is Ed MacMahon 
  monitoring the newtworks too? I don't see a need for an E-mail FTP
  archive or an encryption scheme of any sort. A maintainer for the
  E-mail list is sufficient. His name and address could be put in the FAQ
  for this group. 

-- 
Syed Shibli                           | Tel: +1 918 631 3257
505 South Gary, #14, Tulsa, OK 74104. | ssr48327@vax1.utulsa.edu
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Mr. Tai
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:03:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I've figured it out! Take a look at this:

Article 5739 (18 more) in rec.org.mensa:
From: scott@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott A Tai)
Subject: Introduction
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:58:44 GMT
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory

Notice the organization. He is an experiment in artificial intelligence
that has gone very wrong.
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From: mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR)
Subject: Re: BEACH-BABES
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:24:34 GMT

In article <14862@claris.com> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>
>There is a flaw in your theory, Gil.  The water at a beach is not
>electrically neutral.

Positive?

From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Joining
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:34:38 -0500

sm6h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen P. Marting) writes:

 SPM> You may or may not need to pay the $$$ to ETS to
 SPM> get an *official* SAT transcript sent

Nope.  An ordinary photocopy will do.  Y'all DID hang onto your official score
reports, didn'cha?  B-)

BTW, I see you're a 'Mutian too.  Mebbe you could drag Mr. Prock along to your
next Open House?


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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Forgery!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:04:11 GMT

In article <4028@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, nick+@not.my.real.address (Nick C De Mello) writes...
>   Hmm... haven't been able to find a rec.forgery or alt.forgery, and it
>seems that just editing the header isn't enough to "disguise" my
>identity, as my news server appends an "originator" to my message,
>after editing.  

The technique depends on the news software, some you have to work at it/or is
impossible to forge completely.  Some other ways people do it is to create an
article complete with forged headers in the news directory (bypassing posting
software) and letting normal news exchange pick up and distribute the file,
connecting to another system's NNTP/news exchange port thus "posting" the
article to the machine who thinks is receiving it from another system etc. 
These may need privileges or special knowledge.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: Re: T=Constructive Criticism
Originator: cjdcosta@zepplin.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:07:28 GMT


>Since we now know ailab.ncsu.edu is a non-existant machine, here's
>this week's flame retardant:
>
>/ailab.ncsu.edu/h:j
>/ T=/j
>
>Enjoy.

Gosh. If I'd known it could be this useful I'd have said so long ago.

I'm afraid, though, that there are potentially an infinite number of 
names that Tai can concoct up, so I'm not sure how effective this will
prove..
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Killfiles
Reply-To: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:51:15 GMT


For the killfile:

/@ailab.ncsu.edu/h:j

for those who don't already have it.  We know 'ailab.ncsu.edu' is a forged
address, so nothing that anyone is willing to stand behind will be missed.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR)
Subject: Re: daylength
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 08:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.145917.25486@ncsu.edu>
gpowell@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Eugene Powell) writes:
 
}Consider time between sunrise and sunset inside the arctic circle.
}The old Sol does seem to be motionless there
 
How is the sun motionless there?
 
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: PUT TAI IN THE FAQ (was:Re: T=What Correlation?)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:39:54 -0500

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:

 PH> I still haven't decided the best (if any) way to put 
 PH> "Beware the Tai" into the FAQ.

 Beware the jabber Tai, my son;
 The lies that bite, the thoughts that match....

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: PUT TAI IN THE FAQ (was:Re: T=What Correlation?)
Originator: cjdcosta@zepplin.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:42:00 GMT


Tai writes:
>The idea that standardized tests are "accurate predictors of future 
>academic performance" is indeed a myth. 
>[...]
>
>-- Scott Tai
>   tai@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
>   "sex, shock and satire"

He now plagiarise Linstein's arguments, which were chewed up pretty
thoroughly by Kjeld anyway. Not that I'd expect him to notice rebuttals.

He's clearly doing this for pure nuisance value. At times like this, I wish 
this group was moderated.

Phil, I think this pest deserves a special mention in the FAQ. Something 
like a "Beware of the dog" sign, to warn new readers on this forum.
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: FAQ for rec.org.mensa - old copy
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:08:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: miracle.22Jul92140807
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

>someone asked for the FAQ file - here it is.  I haven't seen it posted
>lately, so I suspect we don't have anyone who is posting it or updating
>it at a regular interval.  NOTE: I am not volunteering to do this.

>Anyone who would like to do this, please, go right ahead!

I am the unofficial keeper of the FAQ.  I post it here monthly.  Do you feel
that this isn't enough?  It's over 40K long, so bandwidth is a consideration.




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