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From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: Re: WHy all this redundancy in SCA buerocracy (Was: How long does it
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 12:02:50 EDT

christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson) writes:

> Unto the Rialto and particualrly Arval and Berwynn from Lindorm, Greetings!
> On a related tropic: Is it customary for American organisations to expect
> the members to pay to get a copy of the by-laws? I have to buy the
> Organizational Handbook and the Marshal's Handbook from the Stock clerk,
> pay for a subscription (or a back issue) of my Kingdom newsletter to get
> the Kingdom Laws and the Earl Marshal's Policies (kingdom newsletter isn't
> included in foreign membership). The Principality laws are available for
> free, but as far as i know the Principality marshal's policy isn't
> announced as available anywhere. One could almost suspect that the
> hierarchy wants to keep the subjects uninformed...
>  ----------------------------  
>   |\  | |   /|   | |\  \ | /   
>   | \ | |  * |  /| | >  \|/    SCA: Lindorm Eriksson, Nordmark, Drachenw., Ea
>   |   | |\   | / | |/    |     Mundane: Christer Romson, Stockholm, Sweden.
>   |   | | \  |  /| |\    |     Email: christer@Sue.KOMunity.Se
>   |   | |    | / | | \   |   
>   |   | |    |   | |  \  |   
>  ----------------------------


There are a *lot* of little check off boxes to make a group full
status (and since it takes the BoD to uncreate a group), there
is a lot of caution.   Since the waiting period is a year, minimum,
anyway, all the repetive checks provide an oppourtunity to make
sure everything stays on track - all the required officers turning in
reports, etc.

The offices are all entitled to a copy of the appropriate regulations,
so your herald should have a copy of the rules of submission which
came from the files.  Individuals have to pay for personal copies,
which seems reasonable, since this keeps membership fees down (I hope!)

Graydon

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:20:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug20.022004.18962
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!

schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writeth:
> Perhaps, next year, they should charge in advance for at least War
> Weekend, when you reserve the space...  Or find another way to prevent
> large "ghost encampments".  Thoughts?

This is a good idea.  I was toying with it myself.  One problem - it
discourages gentles from pre-registering unless they are absolutely
certain they will go.

For example, everyone wishing to camp in the Meridies encampment was asked
to tell the crown in advance, so that he could reserve adequate space.
The Meridies encampment was almost filled, but not with the same gentles
who notfied the crown.  (Glaedenfeld's Hospitaller sent a total figure to
the crown, but only her name got written down.  Then a few of our gentles
found they couldn't attend due to unanticipated problems.  Meanwhile, a
gentle joined the the shire less than two weeks beforehand, and decided
to go.  My plans to camp elsewhere fell through.  Nonetheless, there was
enough space for us all.)

So, if we require deposits, we might only get 5000 gentles
pre-registering, of whom 4000 show, and 4000 show who didn't preregister.
How, then, can space be properly allocated to the large encampments?  Or
do we base it on the preregistration, and force all the extras to form
their own small encampments separately?

I hope these are not insurmountable problems, because the idea is good.
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
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From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Agincourt ???
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:27:56 GMT

In article <714272423.F00015@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
>salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writeth:
>
>DS> Hadrian writes:
>DS> > The Heavies at Agincourt probably didn't have too much fun :-}
>DS> > The next time they went out to play and saw a host of archers
>DS> > they probably went home.
>
>DS> The NEXT TIME ????  What next time?  There was NO next time for them!
>DS> They were dead, finished, kaput, pushing up daisies, la morte, gone to
>DS> that great big battlefield in the sky.  ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
>"If their feet hadn't been nailed to the stirrups they'd have fallen off the
>horses!  They were ex-heavies!"
>
>"No, no, no, they're just pinin' for the Pyrenees...."
>
They're not pinin' they're passed on! They're bleedin' de mise'd! 


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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Hello, my name is...
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:20:23 GMT


Perhaps foolishly, as I have little to say to the Rialto, I offer some few
particulars.

Lord Anton the fair, companion of the Leaf of Merit, token pursuivant for
the shire Cloondara in the West.  (Rules say the shire must have a
pursuivant; but as there is little demand for my services, I mostly stay
home.  Everyone seems content with this arrangement.)  Got my Leaf for work
in the College of Heralds -- conflict research, advice on language, advice
to submittors on style and the like.

Vert, two bendlets wavy between two suns Or.

I first joined in Wuerm Wald, a long time ago, under another name.  Then I
showed my face a few times in Caid.  Seven years ago my wife and I removed
to the Mists.  (Lady Anton recently removed to Nordskogen.  Anyone with
contact information there, kindly email me.)

I was never highly active nor devout.  It is not in me to do persona, nor
have I more than an abstract interest in archaic artifacts.  So, while I
will heartily endorse your efforts, I no longer participate, the more so
since I no longer have a partner to drag me to events.

---

Anton Sherwood (DASher) lives in San Francisco with a cat, a computer and
too many books.  More or less active in APA-L for ten years (next month),
formerly in LASFAPA for four, in Lingua/Apalingua/Linguiza for two years
since its founding, in The Connection for about a year and a half.  I've
been known to post libertarian ravings on the net.  (Duke Cariadoc's alter
ego's book, The Machinery of Freedom, has changed my life.)  Interested in
language, mathematics, typeface design, heraldry.
Still looking for the perfect bottle of cider.
-- 
D. Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
	"They'll say you are foolish in wanting the sun,
	 say you are selfish in learning to run...." --Janis Ian
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From: tangent@gnu.ai.mit.EDU
Subject: (none)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:52:07 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Prejudice against intelligence
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.154822.7026@athena.cs.uga.edu> fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:

>for!  If that sounded like a slap it wasn't intended to be, but it does strike
>me as naive for a top-two-percenter to think that "just be yourself" is ap-
>propriate social advice for *any* social situation.  Guys, it AIN'T!

That's a very good point.  And the key point is "*any*".  It depends
upon whether you want to get elected to office, get laid, or get
someone to spend lots of time with.  Note the similarity of the
first two.

GMS
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Mensa math question
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:22:49 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

>In article <1992Aug11.034235.27548@unixg.ubc.ca> 
>Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca writes:
>>The house number has 3 digits. The sum of the first two digits, multiplied
>>by the sum of the last two digits, multiplied by the sum of the first and
>>last digits, all divided by 3 is the same as the house number. Can I find
>>the house?

Of course you can.  You couldn't have worked out that nutty sum if you didn'
t already know the number.......

+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  The trouble with having an open mind is that people come along and |
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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: How does one join Mensa ?
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:20:49 GMT

In article 25424@uwm.edu, govind@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Govind K Seshadri) writes:
>Hi!
>How does one get to be a member of this organization ? Is there some
>kinda  IQ test you  have to take in order to qualify ? If so, I'd be 
>happy  if  someone could give me more info. on this...
>Or would  a great standardized  test (like GRE / GMAT )  score  suffice ?

There are two ways. One is to provide American Mensa proof of qualifying in the top
2% on one of a number of standardised tests, like SAT, GRE, etc.   The other is 
to take a proctored IQ test presented by your local group.  

Contact American Mensa Ltd., 2626 E. 14th St., Brooklyn, NY 11235-3992.  They
will send you info on qualifying scores or proctored exams. 

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
Subject: Prejudice against intelligence
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:11:21 MDT
Organization: University of Utah, CompSci Dept

 You walk into a bar, sit down next to an attractive person, and then
smile.  They look up at you, and say, "Hey, aren't you on the University
(soccer, football, swimming, etc ) team?"
  You look at them for a second, and they seem really interested.  "yeah,"
you reply, "I am on the math team"
  Something went wrong, because the attractive person has suddenly turned
cold.

  So why is it acceptable to be athletically better than everyone else,
but not to be more intelligent?  Are people afraid of intelligence?  Is
there some ancient cultural mystique which surrounds the concept of
intelligence?  What is the deal?

  Excuse me sir, I am interested in trading in this lame planet for another,
one of those with cultural attitudes which favor this particular
condition I am forced to have.
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Being ashamed of being in Mensa
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:12:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug14.013709.3024@memstvx1.memst.edu> apowell@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>Wes Orr writes:
>
>>Overall I think that > talking about one's intelligence is egotistical and
>arbitrary.  I believe > that my dad is in Mensa yet he is the most
>self-centered person I ever met. > I don't mean to imply that membership and
>self-centeredness go hand in hand > but in his case I believe it does.  For him
[....]
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Wes, I feel that your comments are unfair.  First of all, I don't exactly go
>around with a sign on my chest that says "Hi! I'm smart!  Don't you wish YOU
>were?"  However, I KNOW that I am smart; there is nothing arbitrary about it. 
[....]
>
>I think that you are also intimating that people who join Mensa lack the social
>skills to make friends who do not have high IQs.  Speaking for myself I have
>friends from all walks of life, including the educated, the uneducated,
>children, adults, the learning-disabled, the mentally-retarded, the technical,
>the artistic, the rich, the poor, and the highly intelligent.  I have
>thoroughly enjoyed conversations with all of them, and I feel that all of them
>have their own special, wonderful things to offer--they all address different
>aspects of my personality.
>
In the first place, this is all anecdotal evidence.  It's fine that
you're both apparently not in disagreement, but the fact that his
Dad isn't pleasant to get along with and the fact that your less-intelligent
friends are fun are both irrelevant to anything but your own personal
experiences.

He was fairly careful to say that his Dad did not necessarily represent
all intelligent people.  You claimed (I can't deny this, but I find it
highly suspect unless you are an extremely happy person or very easily
entertained, I just can't say) that you enjoyed all conversations with
all these people.

You don't seem to be disagreeing with one another.  Just making 
friendly observations.

Hope this helps.

GMS
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ph@venturi.ama.caltech.edu (Paul Hardy)
Subject: Re: Ballpark Translations (was Re: Discrimination)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
	<1992Aug10.010241.29576@walter.cray.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.010241.29576@walter.cray.com> sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson) writes:

>   From the brain of Syed Shibli to fingers to keyboard and out on USENET:
>
>   >  Literal translations from any language to another would often lead
>   >  to such humorous results.
>
>   [A very good treatise on translating errors trimmed]
>
>   The best example of this that I can think of was Pepsi in China (I think).
>   Their slogan "Come alive with Pepsi" was translated into "Pepsi brings your
>   ancestors back from the dead!"

There's also the meaning of "Coca Cola": bite the waxed tadpole.

				--Paul
--
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Any questions?

"Does Emacs have the Buddha nature?"  --Paul Hardy   "Yow!" --Zippy
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Amendments
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:34:37 GMT

blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger) writes:

>In article <BsMCJw.C7t@world.std.com> rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:

>>My collection of bears (more than I can count) is all for the right to 
>>arm bears, but they know it would make me uncomfortable :-)
>>

>It would make you uncomfortable?  Have you thought of pursuing litigation?
>Oh wait...Massechusetts...nevermind, it has already been done.

Nope.  The bears live in NH.  They just use e-mail in Massachusetts.

-rich
-- 
             Richard H. Schwartz, Scheduling Systems Inc.,
            1000 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA  02138
                  (617) 864 8330; FAX (617) 864 8377
                          rhs@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Membership
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:52:23 -0500

  kn> From: kevin@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au 
  kn> Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
  kn> Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
  kn> 
  kn> Just another one of those letters inquiring about membership: Hi! How
  kn> do you become a member? I live in Melbourne, Australia. (Standard
  kn> claim about how I'm really quite intelligent so you don't think I'm
  kn> just some try-hard wood-duck, and instead grant me some credibility)
  kn> At age 17 I enrolled in an Honours degree (i.e, 4th year) in Pure
  kn> Maths. I got 1st class honours (End of credibility claim.) Thanks!
  kn> Bye.

Try contacting:

Bill Fisher <uunet!qut.edu.au!W.FISHER>

or calling

Gail or Dave at (03) 534 6522 in Melbourne.  (And while you're talking to them,
please say hello, and see if you can find a local net access for them to use!)

Craig
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A question of conscience
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.034218.10425@ncsu.edu>, cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:
> 
> 
> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes-

> But seriously, I've NEVER felt the necessity to tell anyone that I'm a member
> etc, and would most DEFINITELY NOT flash my membership card at anyone. Anyone 
> who did would rightly be suspect.  I've also repeated often enough that IMHO 
> Mensa's not really all that selective. We (or at least I) join for the 
> enjoyment and entertainment it affords me. 

I "flashed" my membership card at someone _once_.  We were discussing something
or another, and he said "are you a fucking genius or something?" and I replied
"Why, yes; as it so happens, and I have a card to prove it."  I was joking, and
he could tell that I was joking, and said, "Oh yeah?  Let's see that card," so
I showed him my Mensa membership card.

The upshot is that within a month or two, he joined Mensa.
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: shapiro@trade.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Newsletter costs
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 12 AUG 92 08:26:57 EST


In article <14961@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes...

>> When I moved to MA and began attending the parties, the directions were very
>> helpful, but even then I would tend to call first for more explicit details.
> 
>Yeah, they surely can't put those explicit details into the newsletter;
>children might read them.

No, no Mike. EXPLICIT, not EXPLETIVE! 8-)

Regards,
Steve.

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Organization: Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:30:31 -0400 
From: Sandy Topping <st15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Famous Mensans besides Isaac Asimov and Mel Lazarus, Chekov (ST)

The Mensan who wore his dorky yellow map pin while guest starring on
Mission Impossible was (most likely) William Windom.

I think that Jill St. John was once a member, but I'm not sure.

Sandy Topping
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:53:17 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <4768@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gpkatch@alcor.concordia.ca (Gary Katch) writes:
}Derek Abbott writes [*]:
}>The elitism of Mensa is a big farce, anyway. They don't have the intelligence
}>to work out that the concept of IQ is completely flawed and meaningless.
}>
}>Mensa is the most useless, aimless, tacky, idiotic  organisation in the world.
} 
}Derek Abbott does this type of inflammatory posting often.  I am
}quoting him in this newgroup for the benefit of those who can't
}resist this type of invitation.  Have fun.

Gee, thanks.  I hope we can return the favor some day.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Genius sperm bank
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:49:48 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

> In article <1992Aug6.044759.24359@u.washington.edu>, jswthomp@milton.u.washin
> > 
> > All this drivel about the possible connections between myopia and intellige
> > can only be created by people who don't have myopia.
> > 
> > Let me tell you about mine:
> > 
> >       It developed quite abruptly, over the period of one summer around my
> >    thirteenth birthday.  I had been tested the previous winter, at 20/15, a
> >    again the following year, at 20/200, both eyes.  This was long after my
> 
> It's probably a brain tumor.

Then I have one too.

That would explain a lot.....

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
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From: skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
Subject: Re: SAT percentiles
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:37:00 GMT


 From: Mike Steiner <mike_steiner@qm.claris.com>
 Message-ID: <15040@claris.com>

>In article <B5745D0980003377@ccfvx3.draper.com>, skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld
> Hvatum) writes:
>>                         SAT Population   General Population (estimate)
>>                         --------------   -----------------------------
>>...
>>          1450   ?           99.6                99.9
>>          1500   ?           99.9                99.97
>>...
>
>Are you sure?  Last that I heard, the triple nine society requires 1504
>on the SAT for admission.

The TNS SAT requirement was recently changed from 1550 to 1470.
ISPE is the one with the 1504 cutoff.  TNS may have had that
cutoff when they split off from ISPE, but I'm not sure.

Kjeld Hvatum <skh@draper.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: OCONNELLWR@VTCC1.CC.VT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Famous mensans
Date: 21 Aug 1992 02:56:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 3:55:39 -0400 (EDT)

	The one who has been in the style section most recently is
Geena (sp?) Davis, of Thema_and_Louise and A_League_of_Their_Own fame.

Richard "Still looking for a stunning female redhead who likes math/
physics/computer jocks" O'Connell
oconnellwr@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu

P.S.  The above may be a figment of my imagination/urban legend, but
I definitely apologize for the post WRT translation errors.  The
"Blind&Insane" and "Bad wine&rotten meat" quotes showed up on the
Alt.Folklore.Urban_legends FAQ list as _False_.  :o  Oops.