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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:57:47 EDT
From:         steve fahringer <sbf2v@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Question
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Yesterday at the Folger Library I got to see a Renaissance copy of Petrarch
that Ben Jonson owned and used.  Jonson had signed his name on the title
page, along with the epithet "plangans interrogator."  Can anyone translate
this?  The best I can come up with is "grieving spy."
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:21:03 PDT
From:         Tim Bowden <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      SPIN-OFF PRIMETIME SERIES ANNOUNCED!

You asked for it, you got it.

A brand spanking new official poetry workshop by means of this
most personal and at the same time more general forum is now
in place.  For those of you already on the list, watch your
mailboxes for exciting birth announcements from our founders,
who need no introduction else.  For anybody else, the address
to subscribe:

  poet-request@scruz.ucsc.EDU

Watch for the first thrill-packed episode, coming soon
to a machine near you!

-Uncle Timmie the midwife...

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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:45:57 PDT
From:         Tim Bowden <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      To the poets, to make much of lists...

A shameless ad for another list, I post this as a warning -
  DO NOT TRY POETING AT HOME!  This may be the result!

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              A Plea to Poets
       -that they make much of time
  --and join the new workshop/list Poet-request@scruz.ucsc.EDU


       Think of Swinburne, dank, foreboding
       Nether rather; solemn glooms
       Lines to leaven with a loading
       From those airy Amherst rooms

       Or bleak Matthew at his white beach
       Gazing far and seeing close
       How staunch Gertrude may have served him
       Petaling her much-named rose

       Dylan's mystical creations,
       Keats off on his birdy lark,
       What if Puck had conjured up then
       Dottie Wordsworth in the park?

       Silent, exile, cunning home, O!
       [Sighing near that Lucerne lake]
       Corinth columns shipped to Rome, O!
       [Whitman odes begot of Blake]

               Poets nodding to another
               A list is need's inventive mother!


                       -ibid
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:30:04 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <PH408014@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: hello?

Probably the fastest way to renew traffic
on this list is to try to start a new
substantive discussion.  Pick a book you've
recently read and say something about it.
If I've read it, I'll try to argue the point.
I suspect other people may join in.

The problem with this list is that it
seems difficult to get people to get involved
in serious discussion of the lit.  Even when
poor Levin ("mooooo!") was having his reputation
questioned, there were only a few people in the
fight.

And the Fitzgerald discussion never got off the
ground.

I'm certainly willing to sacrifice bazillions of
posts of chatter (like is found on Words-L) for
an intermittent list filled with substance.  But
you can't sit and wait for it to happen.

Have you read any interesting or intriguing or
terrible books lately that you can think of
anything to say about?  That'd be a good way
to start.

Last week I read

  Byatt, _Possession_
  Kundera, _Book of Laughter and Forgetting_
  Camus, _The Fall_
  Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_
  Gabriel Garcia Marquez, _Love in the Time of Cholera_

If any of you out there have read any of those and
want to discuss 'em, I'd be happy to give my own
unvarnished opinions.  But right now I'm trying to
get my experiment to run, so I'm in "response-only"
mode.  Someone else has to jump start the conversation.

Here's an idea, for any of you who have read more than
one of these:  Compare and contrast the treatment of
Victorian England in _Possession_, _The French Lieutenant's
Woman_, and _Jude the Obscure_, with particular emphasis
on the role of the woman.  Anyone?

Pick a different topic, I don't care.  But let's not complain
about the lack of traffic, let's start some traffic.  And
could we possibly avoid such topics as "desert island books."

                                -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:40:00 EST
From:         "Susan Gatti" <SIGATTI@IUP.BITNET>
Subject:      Jack London network

Those on the AMLIT-L network have probably seen this announcement
already--so apologies!  Clarice Stasz at Sonoma State has recently
set up a computer netowrk for Jack London scholars, teachers and
fans.  Contributions are free-ranging and welcome. Notices of
new books, articles and films; questions; meeting and conference
announcements; teaching strategies; and any other relevant
material may be sent.

To join the network, send your subscription request over your
computer mail network hookup to:

     jack-london-request@sonoma.edu

Be sure to get hyphens and punctuation correct.

If you want to send a message without joining, you may do so by
addressing it as follows:

     jack-london@sonoma.edu

For further information, send a message to: stasz@sonoma.edu

Submitted by

Susan Gatti
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana PA      SIGATTI@IUP.BITNET
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:00:00 EDT
From:         IAN YORK <YORK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AS Byatt

Carter died earlier this summer, unfortunately.  She wasn't very old.  The
essay collection had apparently been planned already, and she had selected
the ones to go in.  _Wise Children_ is her last fictional work; to my mind,
it was her best.  I would have loved to see where she would have gone next.
        Ian
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:46:00 EDT
From:         IAN YORK <YORK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Byatt

Tim, your example of the battle between the cars is a good example of my point.
I remember the event itself clearly, but I don't recall any of the description
itself.  Usually when I read a book there are phrases, descriptions, narratives
that stick in my mind for years (not always entirely accurately but the feel is
there.)  Part of this in Byatt's case, as you say, is her ability to shift view
so perfectly; there's never the jarring inappropriate language that makes you
aware of the artificiality of a character.
        Ian
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:22:27 -0900
From:         the First and Only Nude Vaxer <FSCLL@ALASKA.BITNET>

Well, I became the father of an 8lb 14oz baby boy this morning
after watching my wife go through labor for over four days!
The name is Galen Thomas Lott, and I apologize to anyone that bore
the brunt of my stressed personality via e-mail or list over the
last few days. This has been the hardest thing I have ever gone through--
my first daughter was a cakewalk compared to this!

chris
poet and pauper
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 00:45:25 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      SF
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Things have changed in a big way. That old disdain for SF just isn't what
it used to be. "Mainstream" writers like Don Delillo have borrowed from
SF, and SF writers in general are being given increasing attention by
theorists of Postmodern culture, both the books and the movies that are
made from the books. Cyberpunk gets a lot of attention from critics.
Larry McCaffery's introduction to _Storming the Reality Studio_ makes
some good arguments for SF as being THE kind of fiction best adapted to
encounter the realities of these days. I didn't agree with all of the ar-
gument, but it's definitely worth reading. I provides a very good intro-
duction as well to postmodern theory, if anyone is interested. Michael B.
There is a bulletin board, one of whose principal avatars is Robert Anton
Wilson. I hear of Philip Dick a lot. So I have decided, time permitting,
to give the genre the chance that I never gave it when I was younger and
thought I knew so much better. Wouldn't want to miss out on good stuff be-
cause of a prejudice that didn't square with the reality. Michael B.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:05:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Ursula Le Guin

Why is it *always* Ursula K. Le Guin?  Is there an Ursula Q. Le Guin?

-Mka
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From:         DZL <livewell@SIAM.ORG>
Subject:      Re[2]: poetasters
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          This kind of list sounds like a great idea.  Keep us
          informed of the details as you go along.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:09:45 EDT
From:         "Amy E. McLoughlin" <aem@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Project Gutenberg

For those of you who are interested in Project Gutenberg, you can subscribe
to list "GUTNBERG" to receive their newsletter and updates on recent
additions to the ftp-able files.  These include such titles as Alice in
Wonderland, Paradise Lost, the CIA World Factbook, and even Moby Dick!  To
subscribe, send the one-line message "sub gutnberg your_full_name" to:
listserv@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Internet) or listserv@uiucvmd (Bitnet).  It's quite
an interesting project, and has gotten some national attention over the last
year or so.

-- Amy McLoughlin
   Phila. Area Consortium of Special Collections Libraries
   aem@pacscl.uarc.upenn.edu
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:16:55 EDT
From:         "Harry Yeatts" <HYEATTS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Location of a windows list
              19 Aug 1992 20:21:00 GMT from <0005301799@MCIMAIL.COM>

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:21:00 GMT David Quattlebaum said:
>Can someone please tell me where a MS Windows discussion list can be

>found?  Preferably Windows 3.1.

The Windows List address is: WIN3-L@UICVM.BITNET

It is a VERY active list...and I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

Harry Yeatts (HYEATTS)                INTERNET: VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:55:33 -0400
From:         Craig Bull <BULL@DAYTON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Location of a windows list

Send a message to LISTSERV@UICVM.  The list name is WIN3-L.  This is
a good list.  It's pretty active.

See you there!



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Subject:      Location of a windows list

Can someone please tell me where a MS Windows discussion list can be
found?  Preferably Windows 3.1.
--
David Quattlebaum,   5301799@MCIMail.com   (803) 771-5715
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From:         "John D. Harrington" <stump@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      Barcodes for labels

The envelopes macro that shipped with the interim works
well and includes a neat feature to print barcodes above
the address.  Is this feature available from the document
screen?  How would one include barcodes on labels printed
from within WP?
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:22:21 CDT
From:         Diana Diehl-Dryan <ddryan@NCSA.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Course readings

Any idea when the animal communications text might be released?  I would be
interested in it for my own private edification.

Diana Diehl-Dryan, D.V.M.
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:41:44 -0230
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From:         eperry@KEAN.UCS.MUN.CA
Subject:      subscribing

I would like to subscribe to the ethology list please.

Beth Perry
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From:         GIVE PEAS A CHANCE <LBRYNES@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Course readings

Beatrix, coud you please email your phone #.
I am putting in a major installatino re: animal communication and
would like to communicate with someone inthe field for a few questions.
Thanks
Lois

Lois Brynes
director
New England Science Center
WOrcester, MA USA
lbrynes@vax.clarku.edu
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:28:23 PDT
From:         "R. Allen Gardner" <gardner@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Course readings

Dear Colleagues,

    Thank you for the helpful suggestions that you sent in reply to
my request for help in finding a replacement for the out-of-print
Halliday and Slater text, for a course in Animal Communication.
There is good news about how my problem was solved.

    1) Freeman, the US publisher of H&S, is in the course of
publishing, _Sensory Ecology_ by Dusenbery, a new text that seems
very suitable for use in an advanced course on Animal Communication.

    2) For my class this Fall, Freeman has granted me permission to
reproduce Vol. 2 (Communication) and two relevant chapters in Vol. 3
of H & S's Animal Behaviour. To their great credit, they are not
charging the students any royalties.

    I only wish that other publishers, and particularly publishers of
journals were as generous as Freeman here.  We are, after all,
dealing with academic texts and journals, not with commercial
magazines.  APA and AAAS and several other publishers charge students
28 cents per article, even if it is only one page long.  Aside from
the expense that must be passed directly to the students, the
procedure for obtaining permission to make multiple copies is
difficult and slow for the instructor and must be repeated every
semester.  It becomes tempting to send students to the library to
make their own individual copies.  But that is no solution since it
creates intolerable wear and tear on a library archives.
    In effect, publishers are defeating photocopying as a way of
disseminating original scientific literature to students who cannot
afford to subsidize the journals.  As unpaid authors who have so much
at stake in a wide, young audience, we should put pressure on our own
scientific organizations to cancel charges when articles are being
reproduced for use in University courses.

Cheers,

Beatrix Gardner
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:56:11 CDT
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              21 Aug 1992 11:14:39 EST from Kerry Stephenson
From:         Stuart <K119TO@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      This won't win me any friends, but...

From:   Stuart T Oliver
Kerry, I know you said you wouldn't post anymore on these things, but would you
please provide scripture references to the points you brought out in "this
won't win me any friends, but...".  Citing the scriptures as your authority
for the things you said carries much more weight than just your words alone.
Thanks a lot          -Stuart Oliver, from the home of Texas A&M University
From: MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Marty Helgesen)
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Date: 12 Aug 92 17:10:15 GMT
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It seems to me that that plumber gave a bad witness and passed up the
opportunity to give a good witness.  By not doing the job he was hired to
do he gave a bad image of Christians.  He could have replied to the
statement, "We don't go to church," by saying something like, "That's
too bad.  I go to church and it makes a big difference in my life."
Whether or not he continued would depend on what the householder said,
but even that would have been a start.

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:29:18 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dear Rome : prove it

Jesse,

In Catholic usage the word "anathema" means excommunicated.  It does
not mean the person is condemned to Hell because the Church does not
have and does not claim to have the authority to condemn anyone to
Hell.  People condemn themselves to Hell by their sins, and it is
God who carries out the choice the sinners have made.

There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary was always a vir-
gin.  However, Catholics do not believe that the Bible is the only
source of God's revelation.  As I've said recently, the Catholic
Church teaches that public revelation ended with the death of the St.
John, but much of Christ's revelation was given to His Church before
a single book of the New Testament was written.  Many believed in
Jesus, many died as martyrs for their faith in Jesus, before a single
book of the New Testament was written.  The Bible is the inspired
word of God, but there is no reason to assume that all of Christ's
revelation is explicitly stated in the Bible.  Certainly the Bible
itself never makes that claim.

The Catholic Church does not teach that anyone who is not a Catholic
is condemned to Hell for not being a Catholic.

I'm not sure I understand your fourth question, but I will note that
Christians are part of the Mystical Body of Christ and He lives in us
and we in Him.  Cf. the parable of the vine and the branches.  Also,
St. Peter wrote, "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and
precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine
nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through
lust."  (2 Peter 1:4).

Our authoritative source is Jesus Christ and His Church.  As St. Paul
says, "the church of the living God <is> the pillar and ground of
truth" (1 Tim 3:15)

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:45:34 CDT
From:         Joe Moore <CC19@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Siege Mentality (was ACLJ Activities)

< Just this week there was some discussion of people who are "anti-family", but
> nobody could think of any examples.  Nobody said just who was "anti-family",
> or what anti-family things they had done.  I don't think anybody knows!  I
> think "traditional family values" has turned into a buzzword; it's something
> you say to get elected.  Somebody at the Republican National Convention

Maybe some of us just thought it was too obvious.  Anti-family?  How
about Hollywood?  How many TV shows have 2 parent families that get
along well?  Even on the sitcoms that do show two parent families
(other than the Cosbys;-) every other joke has a sexual connotation.
If it's not a sitcom it's 60 minutes of straight violence.

How about the media?  Last month, 23,000 men got together to listen
to the Word of God and devote themselves to their God, their
families and their country.  What did the news report?  A few
statements out of context that made it look like Bill McCartney was
trying to take over the world and a few gay protesters.

A lot of what you said in your post is right, but take a close look.
Abortion opponents are being badly mistreated out there.  I don't
agree with Operation Rescue on everything but they don't get a fair
shake in the media or the courtrooms.  IF abortion is murder (and I
personally believe it is), can't you understand why some people risk
some jail time to block it?  I respect them highly even when I
disagree with their methods.

Joe Moore
cc19@sdsumus
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From:         MARK DRAKE <DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: environmentalism == (neo)paganism
X-To:         CHRISTIA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU

>Aren't we after all keepers of this planet?

I agree.

>I know all about the Fall and transmitting ownership rights(or however, one
>wishes to state this, caretaker's rights) over, but we still should
>be at the front of environmental concerns.

	I learned of this "thing" about transmitting ownership rights of the
earth (to satan) when I was a young teenager, and wnet along.  Now I wonder -
I haven't heard any good reason to believe this.  Yet there is very good reason
to believe that we are responsible for takeing care of our environment.

	Does anyone know where this ownership "thing" comes from?

>Jason

Mark
drake@asuchm.la.asu.edu
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