From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Stranded on an Island (fo
Keywords: legality, morality, love, relationships
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:09:50 GMT

<1992Jul8.203109.23829@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) said:
>In article <1992Jul5.235610.22333@galois.mit.edu> boyiny@kovalevskaya.mit.edu (Siren) writes:
>>Quite true.  But we can't legislate a woman to love someone else, can we?
>>We can't legislate people into respecting each other, can we?  So why
>>should we legislate about spousal notification?
>
>There is no difference, emotionally, for a woman to be grabbed, strapped
>down a given an unwanted abortion, than for a man to find out that the
>child he wanted had been killed, without his consent, or notification.

I suppose you have some clinical evidence for this assertion.

>>Well, many people, indeed perhaps most people, have been or will be jilted
>>at least once in a painful manner by an SO.
>
>This isn't jilting, this is murder.

What is?

>>Most will be bitter about it.
>>I sympathize with your misfortune, but objectively, should that influence
>>you against thee pro-choice viewpoint?
>
>Damn straight it does.  I used to be pro-choice, because I believe in
>personal freedom.  I'm now pro-life, because the government sees fit
>to eliminate my freedom AND my choices (no say, and I MUST pay) that
>is the kind of thing that made our founding fathers revolt against England.

So push for non-Federal funding of abortion.  I don't want to pay taxes for
child-care, but I'm not trying to get laws passed to stop child bearing.

>>>... the feminist movement [ignores men's feelings]...)
>>
>>That really is an unfair dig.  Feminism is NOT exclusive.  One would be
>>surprised if its male supporters ignored their own feelings as well.
>
>Feminisim is, by its very name, concerned only with grabbing rights and
>power for WOMEN.  

That's "*equal* rights and power for women".

>                  I used to be a feminist, until a 'real' feminist told
>me that I couldn't be one, as I wasn't female.  Fine and dandy.  

My, my...  you are an impressionable person.  Let's see:  "You can't
possibly be a pro-life person because you are not a fetus."

There.  I suppose you will stop being pro-life now.

>                                                                 If
>feminism is really just a concealed grab for political power by a
>circumscribed group, then how are they different (philosophically speaking)
>from the Ku Klux Klan?  Or the Republicans?  Or the Democrats?  Just
>another power hungry special interest group.

Yeah, "equal rights", what a rip-off.

>I now consider myself a HUMANIST, and a men's rights supporter in those
>areas where the feminists are currently attempting power grabs.

I see no power grabs by women, except for some instances of reverse
descrimination.

>>>[About starting a support group.]
>>
>>I wish you the best of luck.  A worthy cause, no doubt.
>
>Agreed.

I suppose you can start a support group for just about anything.  Seems
kind of a waste of time to me, but if it can make people feel better then
go to it.


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boyfriend of Muriel,
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress),
and Susan, and married to the sweetest woman in the world, and proud of it.
-- 
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