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From: dodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stirling S. Dodd)
Subject: Re: Non-certified diver dies in Battle Ground Lake, WA
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:55:23 GMT

In article <9207280630.AA12776@hood.gss.com> Brad Davis <bradd@gss.com> writes:
>[ Brad Davis sent me (Anthony DeBoer, adb@herboid.uucp) the following
>article, with a note saying his local machine is unable to post and a
>request that I post it for him. ]
>
>Diving deaths are a topic that I'm sure nobody likes reading about,
>but I had to post the following as a public service.
>
>Lest anybody forget the importance of training and certification...
>
>>From the [Portland] Oregonian, 7/27/92
>
>MAN WEARING SCUBA GEAR DIES WHILE DIVING IN LAKE
>
>    BATTLE GROUND, Wash. -- A Hillsboro [OR] man died Sunday morning
>in a scuba diving accident in Battle Ground Lake State Park [WA].
>    Jerry Ray King, 51, was pronounced dead at Southwest Washington
>Medical Center in Vancouver.
>    The accident happened about 10 a.m. in the park, about two miles
>east of downtown Battle Ground, according to the Clark County
>Sheriff's Office.
>    Members of the sheriff's office, Clark County Fire District 3 and
>the Clark County dive team responded to a report of a drowning and
>recovered King's body in the lake, snagged in fishing line.  The lake
>is as deep as 14 feet in some places.
>    Apparently King was scuba diving about 30 to 50 yards southwest
>of the pier.
>    King had dived before but was not a certified diver, police siad.
>King's friend, Paul Schmidt of Hillsboro, told police that King had
>wanted to dive before taking lessons.
>    Police found that King was wearing his equipment improperly.
>The regulator was turned 180 degrees from its normal position, the
>mouthpiece was on the wrong side of his body, and the weight belt
>was worn in a manner difficult to release easily.
>    The accident remains under investigation by the sheriff's office.
>
>-end-
>
>As a still-dry-behind-the-ears PADI Open Water diver, I've had quite a few
>concerned friends and family ask me about this story and the dangers of my
>new sport.  I read them the original story, then explain that this is
>why I spent six weeks getting trained and certified.  It's also a good
>opportunity to explain why I can't let them come diving with me.
>
>Me, I'm off to check my knife...
>
>-Brad
>
>Bubbles from the regulator of:            +---+
>  Brad Davis, NCD Inc, Beaverton OR       |   | Network Computing Devices
>  bradd@gss.com      (503) 671-8431       |NCD| PC-XDivision
>Disclaimer: I claimed something?!?!       +---+
>

 A most worthy post indeed. Imagine if you had the misfortune of having a buddy
like this poor soul who perished.

A good reminder to keep current with training, and to get it at the offset!


-- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


S Dod^2                               
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: Jade Cove, Calif
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:34:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <1992Jul23.234946.29549@odin.corp.sgi.com> dyer@marina.asd.sgi.com (Dyer Crouch) writes:
>...
>There is a fellow diver who can make jewelry from your jade if you so desire.
>He has a shop in Sunnyvale, or Mt View. His shop is called something like
>Weigle's Jewelry. Scott (Weigle) has a small shop but I saw some of his work
>from a friend and I was impressed.

	Weigle Jewelers
	corner of El Camino & Sylvan
	  (near Emporium, and *behind* the golf shop)
	Mountain View
	(415) 969-1900

I've seen one ring he did for a neighbor. It looked fine, and they were very
proud of their custom jewelry. 

I can also recommend the following goldsmiths. I don't know if either are
divers but these are the folks who made the wedding rings for my wife and for
me!

	Michael Sherman
	3612 Barnyard Shopping Center
	  (corner of Rio Road and Hwy1, *behind* the hotel)
	Carmel
	(408) 624-5171

	Timothy Fidge
	Town & Country Village
	  (corner of El Camino Real and Embarcadero, near Stanford Stadium)
	Palo Alto
	(415) 323-4653

Happy hunting :-j
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Re: Diving headaches
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:12:29 GMT

In addition to the previous caveats about breathing normally instead of
skip-breathing, holding your breathe, (a really BAD idea), etc. you
might check to see if you hood is too tight if wearing one.


-- 
Dan Kell                  
email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
From: jdale@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Re: truk lagoon trip - How many dives a day!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:06:15 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <l6lutkINNqb6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> petolino@joe.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Petolino) writes:
(I said:  >>  )
>>....All the tables expect you to do deepest to shallowest, in order, and you
>>are at greater chance of getting bent if you do it otherwise.
>
>Is this really true?  I know that you'll get more bottom time if you do your
>dives in deep->shallow order, but I've never heard anyone claim that the
>tables (or computers) just plain don't work if you break this order.
>
>-Joe

It's a little extreme to say they "just plain don't work".  There is a 
somewhat greater chance of DCS if you dive shallower first and deeper later,
but I couldn't tell you any numbers (this is what they told me in my
NAUI Advanced course, but I don't have a reference).  I guess if you really
want to know, you could call DAN and ask them about it... :)
(Say, does anyone from DAN read this?  Having a diving doctor read this forum
would be a great way to clear up diver misconceptions.....)

Jonathan Dale
[ps, my NAUI Advanced card finally arrived in the mail.  Yay!]
[Pps, come on, doesn't anyone in the Puget Sound area need a dive buddy?]
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Subject: Re: Certification, Skin Diver, St. Lucia
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: rec.scuba
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:01:09 GMT


Re: reading Skin Diver magazine.  Don't forget the "I learned about diving
    from that" page at the back.  Also, it provides pretty pictures and 
    more warm fuzzy feelings about the place you've decided to visit based
    on Undercurrent and In-Depth.  Just because Skin Diver gives them a 
    good review doesn't mean they're *BAD* :-)

Re: St. Lucia.  Anse Chastenet has gotten good reviews from Undercurrent
    and from a long article I saw over on rec.travel.  They commented how
    much closer they were to the dive sites than the Club Med folk.

Re: Certification rackets:

In article <1992Jul28.145001.9436@hellgate.utah.edu> rarobert@cs.utah.edu (Robin Roberts) writes:
> [agencies RECOMMEND limits]    

  *Some* agencies tell you (quite strongly) that you're not qualified to dive
  below 60' or at night when you finish their Open Water course.  This 
  makes it easier to sell you a "Deep Diving" or "Night Diving" class.  I
  just saw a question from a woman over in rec.travel who asked if the 
  water in Hawaii ABOVE SIXTY FEET (my caps) was warm enough to dive without
  a wetsuit.  I thought about that for a second, and then realized that
  I had a pretty good idea of the agency from whom she'd just received 
  her Open Water C-Card.  Elementary, my dear Watson.

Regards, Lee

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: duis@sgi.com (David Duis)
Subject: Re: Why don't marine mammals get bent?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:05:12 GMT

In article <3450014@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> heumann@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (John Heumann) writes:
>In rec.scuba, davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>> John Heumann writes:
>>     >   2) The amount of N2 in your lungs is limited when free diving,
>>     >      but is continually being replenished on scuba.
>> 
>>     This is true if comparing a single free dive to a SCUBA dive of
>>     equivalent duration.  However, to my knowlege no one has ever been
>>     bent free diving under such circumstances.
>
>Seems to me that this directly supports what I've said.  If I recall 
>correctly, the world record free dive is on the order of 350 feet
>with a total time for ascent and descent of 3-5 minutes.  I don't
>know about you, but my guess is that if you tried this on SCUBA
>you'd have a pretty fair chance of DCS.

Stop and think about the ascent and descent rates on this dive.  

There is no bottom time here (just enough to tag the down line), and
the ascent and descent rates are damn fast.  Expect the ascent rate to
be around 300fpm, and the descent rate to start slow but get much
faster the deeper the free diver goes (on a weighted sled, BTW)
because clearing ears is faster at depth (if that's even an issue for
these mutants. 8-)

I'd guess that the net result is that for modeling purposes, this
diver has done an equivalent dive of about 5 minutes at around 100fsw,
all segments integrated.  This won't result in DCS according to
classical, naive Haldanean theory.


Cheers,

Dave Duis                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
duis@bent.esd.sgi.com		  Better diving through computers.
From: wall@HEL4.BRL.MIL (JEFF WALL)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Sunburn at Morehead City
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:30:51 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Human Engineering Lab, Aberdeen, MD

In article <1992Jul28.013308.24307@umbc3.umbc.edu> battle@umbc4.umbc.edu 
(Rick) writes:

>On the weekend of July 18 and 19 I ventured south to Morehead
>City with 10 other local divers to sample the waters off North
>Carolina.  We were diving with Run Runners (Greenville NC).  They
>dock their boat, Pelican (I believe that is how it is spelled) at
>the Olympus dive center in Moorhead City NC.

>On Saturday morning the wind was really howling at 25+ mph and
>the seas were rolling a good 8 to 10 feet on the Aeolus site.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>Aeolus is a 400 foot freighter sunk as part of the artificial
>reef program.  Aeolus was an AT&T ship that installed trans
>Atlantic cables (so the folks in Europe could watch MTV like here
>in the states :-)...   )

No way!! You must have been tossed around like rag dolls. I was in 
North Carolina June 27 - July 3 and I dove with Discovery Diving out of
Beauford.  We were in a six pack at the Aoelus along with the Pelican, 
seas were 5 feet and the Pelican was getting tossed around so much the 
divers could hardly stand up.  Our boat was your basic  sport fisherman 
modified for diving and it was riding better than the Pelican was.  I'd 
suggest going out with Discovery Diving next time.  Thier boats have 
dry areas down below for the ride out and back.

Jeff Wall
wall@hel4.brl.mil
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Pacific Islands Diving
Keywords: Truk
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:43:13 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

Chris Petersen cc:'ed his email to you, so I just wanted to touch
base. Let me know if you need any info about diving Oahu (diving on
Oahu is "okay" but the better diving to be had are on Maui and Big
Island--which by the way I strongly recommend because our neighbor
islands are sinking in a deep economic recession).

Aloha!

--
A. Lani Teshima, UH School of Library & Info Studies   o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
A small mind is easily filled with faith.               o|<0_0>--------*
Blessed is a mind too small for doubt.                    \=^-| |____| | 
teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu                                 \_}B   \_}B
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jrawles@leland.Stanford.EDU (jody rawles)
Subject: Andrea Doria Accident ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:22:32 GMT

Does anybody know of a recent diving accident at the Andrea Doria?
Is this wreck even a common dive site?  A friend of a friend's
husband was reported to have died in a recent diving accident 
at this site.  This information is of questionnable reliability.
I would appreciate any information regarding this question.

Thank you,

Jody Rawles
-- 
Jody M. Rawles					
Department of Psychiatry 		email: jrawles@leland.stanford.edu
Stanford University School of Medicine	voice: (415) 858-3914
Stanford, CA 94305 USA			fax:   (415) 493-4901
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jacke@meaddata.com (Jack Eddington)
Subject: Value of Annual Maintenance under Waranty
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:47:18 GMT
Distribution: na

I have owned my US Divers reg & BC for one year now. However, I can't
find the "Passport" that you get when you buy equipment and which gets
stamped at each annual maintenance. My question is whether its worth
it to try to get a new one. I intend to take my reg in for
maintenance. But what do I save if I have my Passport? Is it only a
few bucks for o-rings and such? Is there some other value? Also, do
people take in their BCs for annual maintenance?
 
-- 
Jack Eddington -- jacke@meaddata.com  -- uunet!meaddata!jacke
Xref: sparky rec.scuba:3864 rec.photo:12707 misc.forsale:21584
From: hamilton@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Mike Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,rec.photo,ba.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Underwater Camera For Sale
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:26:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.scuba
Distribution: ca
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory




NIKONOS IV for Sale

WEll it didn't sell before so I'll try again.

NIKONOS IV body in good mechanical shape.
 electronic light meter is not working so only 1/90th sec. shutter speed
 is available. But this is a VERY useful shutter speed with or without
 flash. The camera takes far better pictures than any of those point and
 shoot toys. This is a great beginners underwater camera or a good 
 secondary camera for the experienced photographer.

OCEANIC 2000 strobe.
Macro tube set. (extension tubes for the lens which allow you to take
		 close ups)
35 mm lens.

only used once since last overhaul.
Asking $300 for the lot.


respond to 
hamilton@lll-crg.llnl.gov
or call days (408) 522-2819
evenings (510) 447-1424
ask for mike hamilton

I'm located in Nor.Cal but come to So. Cal. often.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Diving death in Kingston
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:22:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.145902.23947@bmerh85.bnr.ca> scribler@bnr.ca writes:
>I was just informed that a diver who was diving
>in the Kingston area (here in Ontario) died.
>The person who told me knows nothing about diving
>so gave me no real info. Has anyone heard about
>this accident? Just curious to know the details.

There have apparently now been three recent fatalities in the area.  To
the best of my knowledge, there is no link between any of them, just the
co-incidence of them all happening in the same popular diving area.

The first, already described in a posting by Craig Campbell, involved a
male diver from the Picton area.  His buddy was having problems and signalled
an ascent, but the victim refused to abort the dive and stayed down and was
not seen again alive.

Another involved a 64-year-old female doctor, diving with a group of
fellow physicians, who started having difficulty breathing (whether due to
coronary problems, athsma, embolism or whatever wasn't known yet), and who
died despite receiving very good medical care.  I saw this one in a
newspaper (either the Toronto Star or the Globe, but I don't have the
paper anymore) last week.

I believe I also saw mention (probably in the same article) that there had
been a third fatality in the area this season.

I hesitate to introduce any humor into the situation, but for those who
are suspicious about "bad things happening in threes", it's safe to go
back into the water again.

More details as you or Craig or I or anybody see any hard details or
ideally the OUC reports.  I'll try to see how soon OUC has them.
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
adb@herboid.uucp | adb@geac.com      | 100% of your daily requirement for
uunet!geac!herboid!adb               | trivia and meaningless entertainment?
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: Rehersal of weight belt ditching
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:45:14 GMT

In article <930548@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com>, davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
|> 
|> There really is no room for argumentation here, folks.  People HAVE
|> experienced barotrauma while breath hold diving.  This is one of the
|> reasons that certifying agencies do not risk practicing rapid ascent
|> maneuvers, and neither should you.  Also, it is a very good reason for
|> controlling your ascents at all times, and and excellent reason to
|> purchase a redundant air source or some sort.

Well, apparently there is (room for argumentation). I just saw Nick's posting
regarding SSI's position on this, and the fact that he does indeed have his
students perform rapid ascent maneuvers as part of their certification.

YMCA does not include actual performance of a rapid ascent maneuver as part of
the required standards, for the reasons cited above. I tend to agree with that
position (surprise surprise :-)). While the risk of an embolism is small, the
risk exists nonetheless, and in my opinion the benefit gained by actually
practicing such a maneuver does not justify the increased risk.

YMCA treatment of this maneuver is accomplished by simulating a free ascent
in the pool by having the student swim laterally approximately 60 feet to the surface after removing their regulator to simulate out of air. Under these
conditions the real rate of pressure change is similar to a standard ascent,
thereby reducing the risk of barotrauma to that which exists for uneventful
SCUBA diving. At the same time, the student experiences a very similar
situation in terms of making it to the surface on that last breath.

Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
From: walz@elde1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Large steel tanks available
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:33:17 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


Hi everyone,

If anybody is interested in light 20 liter steel tanks please contact me.
We are a group of swiss cave divers and one of us has ordered a special
fabrication of those 20 l steel tanks, but the companie who makes them won't
make less than 300. They don't usually make 20 l tanks. Up to now about 110
tanks have been ordered from several European countries, but we need at least
100 more orders.

Tank data:
  volume : 20 litres
  weight : 21 Kg
  height  : 785 mm
  diameter : 204 mm
  thread : M25 x 200  (poseidon valves fit on it)
  rating : 200 bars (~3000 PSI)
  (sorry for using metric units)

Please contact me if you are interested, or should I write another article
including the adress where you can order the tanks ? (I don't know if this
complies the network policy).

M. Walz (WALZ@ELDE.EPFL.CH)

From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:25:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Jade Cove, Calif
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Distribution: ca

Wet Pleasure in Santa Clara takes groups to Jade Cove on a regular basis.
Take a look at there latest bulletin, or call the store (800-2-4-SCUBA).

Other shops in the area may also have regular trips there.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Magazine
Keywords: You got me!
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:27:09 GMT

>> contributers to this group. (Except for Ted, bad Ted! bad Ted! B-) )
>                                                                 ^
>                                                                 |
>
>At least you finally got a decent mask to replace that old 
>stupid looking one that you had 8-).
>                                ^
>                                |
>B-)
>
>  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
>  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
>  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
>  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
>

You got me again, Ted!

Seriously though, (Is anybody ever really serious here!) how was your
trip up north to the lakes? Or have you not gone yet. Its been so hectic at work
lately I have lost track of time.

I'm certainly glad to see you have not lost your sense of humor. O-)



-- 
Dan Kell                  
email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jefff@netcom.com (Jeff Irwin)
Subject: Re: mensuration and sharks?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:47:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Actually, this is one of the few women's related issues that has really been 
studied.  The finding was that the blood seems to hold no attraction to 
sharks or other marine creatures.

Dive and Enjoy



-- 
Jeff Irwin                           jefff@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services - San Jose, CA
Newsgroups: rec.scuba