From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: for play
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:21:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>
>>Two things; one, the "<blush>" factor is diminished if the subject
>>(nay, the object) has actually been aired ahead of time.
>
>What object would that be, Mike? <flutter of eyelashes>

Well, sweet innocent little ol' me just meant small rubber items,
but I guess the principle is the same for larger rubber or silicon
ones ... 

Muses: can I be said to be objectifying you when these devices
come into play?  :-)  [Whether that "you" is generic or not is
discretionary.]  I guess it's no stroke of genius to see the
dildo as the perfect PC device, rendering that foundation stone of our
society, the male erection, unnecessary.  Having said that, I can
think of things to which "stroke of genius" could well be applied
in this context ...

>>some people encounter this moment as a "barrier"
>>of some kind, where they feel unwilling to risk killing the
>>oh-so-fragile moment with some words (or other communication).
>
>Yeah, right. You're willing to sleep with someone, but not to talk. I can
>*almost* see this by changing into SuperQueer, diving out of the closet with
>my underpants over my trousers and declaiming that all those folks out there
>succumbing to their terrible urges have lots of hormones and no brains.

You fantasize of exhibitionist self-expression involving underwear
and domination, and you dare call others' urges "terrible"?  *grin*
(Semi-)seriously, though, I'm sure I know people who can't integrate
talk fully into sex - indeed, there are limits on strictly verbal
communication, but the trick is to set those limits higher.

Truth to tell, it seems "lots of hormones and no brains" is a
natural state for most humans (shades of "the unexamined life").
This certainly doesn't make life less worth living, but it can make
dealing with the Real World a lot nastier.  That's the thing about
homophobia, or sexism, or inequality: they are insoluble.  The best
you can hope for is protection from the extremes, and cultural 
evolution over centuries.

Sorry - this is running from the silly to the depressing, with no
discernible connection to any thread.  It must be due to spending
a day writing up an exam, then printing out my th*s*s.  The cover-page
(resplendant with Quentin Crisp quote :-) is dated August 11th, the date
of the last revision, and the last time I did any work of a productive
nature.  Ho hum.

>>If y'can't communicate in your sex, what *are* you
>>doing in it?  Masturbating?  [General you, of course, T :-) ]
>
>huh! I masturbate as well as the next person |-)

Okay, a challenge.  The soc.bi self-pleasing marathon.  This could be
combined with Albert's serious study of taste sensations of food on
different people's body parts.  Does it make it harder to beat off
when someone is getting in the way, trying to extract Bailey's from
your bellybutton?  Or do the activities mutually reinforce?

>>A phonecall or somesuch can wreck a mood, 
>
><trrring trrring> "Hiya, whatcha doing?" "Oh, nothing..."

Hah - it's happened to you too, I see :-)  An answering machine can
be a wonderful thing ...

Mike, late, exhausted, and decidedly skittish

>"And like a fortune-teller's, 
> Their marrow-piercing guesses are whatever you believe"  Elizabeth Bishop

PS this is really good - can you provide a little context for it?
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)