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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: high HCG results need net wisdom again
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:55:59 GMT

In article <Bw7wEv.MsH@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>
>Sorry to follow up;  my mailer can't handle .UUCP addresses.
>In article <445@bit.UUCP> lisa@bit.UUCP (Lisa Lowell) writes:
>>I haven't posted since last year about this time when I had questions about 
>>Triploidy.  Thanks to all of you I knew more than the doctor did!  Now I have
>>another question.  I'm 19 weeks pregnant (3 weeks further than last time)
>>and just had my AFP and HCG tests.  My AFP was "normal" 1.32 but my HCG was
>>high 3.06.  This makes for a high risk downs syndrom child so I am told.
>>Using the test results and my age they predicted the chances to be 1 in 193.
>>I DON'T WANT AN AMNIO!  But this is the only way to tell for sure.  I need
>>suggestions and support from you guys again!  Has anyone had similar test
>>results?  What was the outcome?  Did you have an amnio?  Anyone had an amnio?
>>How bad was it truthfully?  I've heard that they are worse than giving birth?
>
[Betsy's advice, deleted]

I couldnt sent anything to Lisa, either. My advice was pretty much the same
as Betsy's.
>
>I haven't had an amnio, but my friends who have generally reported it
>as "not fun, but not that bad".  I have never heard *anybody* say it
>was worse than childbirth!  

I had one a couple of weeks ago. The actual amnio part only took about 5 
minutes. Basically I had very mild cramps while they did it, and a small
amount of pain when they stuck the tap in. The amnio was scheduled for 8am.
I planned to take off the whole day to rest. I was back in bed at 9am, and
feeling quite crampy. The cramps were gone by lunch. To compare it to 
childbirth: with my first child, I only had 5 hours of first stage labor
before it became evident that I needed a c-section. I never got beyond 3cm
dialated, so I really didnt experience the worst of labor, but I would have to`
say that the pain I did feel was *MUCH* worse then the amnio. They really
werent in the same league. Mostly I would class them with *mild* menstrual
cramps. There are lots of reasons to have an amnio or not, but pain
avoidence is probably not one of them.

I know a couple of people who learned at some point in their pregnancies that
their babies had a higher chance of having a bad defect. I dont think they 
enjoyed thier pregnancies very much. That must have been painful.

Good Luck,
Laura Floom
>

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Gerry backpacks
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:07:29 GMT

In article <3866@wyse.wyse.com> donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302) writes:
>Thanks, Paula B. for the postings regarding camping with infants and
>backpacks.  Question for all those with Gerry backpacks:
>
>So, how does one take it apart to wash the canvas?  I've tried, but
>couldn't figure it out.  Is there a way to unsnap the metal frame apart?

I always hosed mine down in the bathtub with my hand-held shower, adding
a little detergent rubbed in with a washcloth or scrub-brush.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
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From: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Stereotypes in School (Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:59:41 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<23838@alice.att.com> <1992Oct9.171756.8494@nynexst.com>
Reply-To: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this sort of stereotyping does NOT disappear
once you get out of school.  Actually, it probably gets WORSE because now you
have to deal with uneducated ignorant people too (not that there aren't any of
those in schools).

Surprisingly, there are SOME advantages to these stereotypes.... for one....
because Asians/Asian-Americans are thought of as "especially good in math and
science", the average person will have MORE respect for you.  For example, I
live in the South, where to this day, blacks are still looked down on by many
caucasians.  However, because I walk and talk just like any other American,
I've been told by several that they don't really view me as Asian-American. 
But they KNOW that I am..... They are more willing to view Asian-Americans as
"equals" or "peers" than someone of an African-American heritage.

Maybe at schools, these stereotyped traits are viewed more negatively becuase
of the intense competition for jobs, grades, etc..... but it's really not TOO
bad.  

I can't really speak for the female Asian-American stereotyping, (obviously),
.... oh well, just some thoughts.

Hiro Ruo
NCR - WPD Clemson
7240 Moorefield Hwy.
Liberty, SC  29657
Hiro.Ruo@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:52:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: gap.1beutbINNdr4
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1bde1tINNnfv@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>>I don't think I'll _ever_ feel grown up, but there are times when I
>>definitely feel OLD, i.e.:
>
>  - at an accident scene I'd stopped at, when the cops arrived and
>    were all *younger* than me...

My college roommate's husband said that he felt old when he realized
that all of the Playboy centerfolds were younger than he was. (I think
he was maybe 22 when he said that).

Sue 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement and Labour Story
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:05:29 GMT

In article <92185@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1b1uj1INNc1v@informatics.wustl.edu> bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams) writes:
>[Lots of gory details of birth deleted]
>That's it.  I'm going to adopt.  PUPPIES.

I'll probably go through with it, despite having watched my cousin
have her first kid.  One thing I've gotta say, though, is I'm glad
I got a chance to see where babies REALLY come from (or rather, how
they get here from there).  Now I can't imagine giving birth 
otherwise.  Unless you're extremely lucky, some parts of the 
experience would have to come as a nasty surprise....

--Diane

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:50:43 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <1615@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper) writes:
>My father and mother were born in Poland.  When their families
>passed through Ellis Island, (so the story goes), part of my
>father's family was effectively "renamed" because the immigration
>officials were tired of trying to spell, "Buraczenski" (my maiden

Reminds me of when I worked at Teletype in Skokie, IL.  There were a couple
managers - I don't know if they were related - one named "Al Purzicki"
and the other "Ted Prysziecki (very approximately, from memory)"  both
pronounced the same way.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: YEA, Baby #3 ... Midwife Info
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:27:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <23610@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes...
>, stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark) writes:
>|> It is true that if you need a C-section, you had better enlist the services
>|> of a surgeon.  If, however, you do not need one, I think you had better stay
>|> as far a way from an OB as possible.
> 

I don't think this is fair.  Not all OB/GYNs are like this.  I 
talked to my doctor about caesareans and he considers them to be 
undesirable.  He says there are far more risks and complications
for  the mother and they should only be done when absolutely 
necessary.  I trust his judgement regarding what is absolutely 
necessary.

- Peggy -
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lead paint tester
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:20:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Oct15.212053.29290
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <26443@oasys.dt.navy.mil> boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Boucher) writes:
>In misc.kids, dg10+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich) writes:
>>Does anybody know of a cheap and/or easy way to test if the paint
>>in my apartment are lead based?
>>
>swabs costs $10.00.  If you do find lead, I would suggest that you hire
>a trained professional to remove it.

From what I read, that isnt usually necessary. It is important to know you
have lead paint, and if you do, NEVER sand it, because you will put lead paint
into the air. Alot of people who bought older houses, and decided to strip the
paint to restore the house. The kids often showed signs of lead poisoning. I
looked into that because until a month ago I lived in a 80+ year old house.
I never bothered to check for lead, since the chances of not having lead for
at least a few of the coats seemed remote. The important thing was to make
sure there was no peeling paint. A good coat of non lead paint will take care 
of it. As in asbestos, it is usually better to leave it alone. Sometimes you
can hire an 'expert' to remove it, and they wont take all the proper 
precautions, and you can end up with airborne lead.

There are other precautions you should take also. I cant remember all, but 
mostly, if you do work around the house, and dislodge some paint, clean it up
with a damp cloth ASAP. You probably want to really research the issue, but
I am sure that the net will tell you most of what you need to know. I think
that misc.consumers.house had also had this discussion a few times.

To David - when I was reading up on this stuff there were certain dates that
came up. Before such a year, all (most?) paints had lead, for the next X years
some paints had it, and after a final year, no paints had it. Sorry to be 
completely devoid of real facts, but if you house is past a certain age, you
can assume you may have a layer or more. Also, if you house has been recently
painted, you can probably assume that that layer is free of lead. This applies
for interior paints. I didnt look into exterior paints much.

Laura Floom
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Vomiting in labor
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

In article AA01906@fieser.brynmawr.edu, chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:

>	
>	Here's something I've been wondering about.  My cramps were
>much worse after having been pregnant (I didn't start up again until
>Libby was 10 months old) than they had been in a long, long time.  Did
>anyone else have this experience?  Most people have told me that their
>symptoms got better.  

In my case I went from cramps that required serious pain medication to
get through to hardly even noticing that my period had started.
According to my GP prior to getting pregnant, what pregnancy will do is
slightly rearrange the internal locations of the assorted organs and
for some women this is all that is needed to get rid of cramps.  I
suspect highly that the opposite could be true: rearranging things in
such a way to cause cramps.  I remember when I first met this GP to get
more pain medication and one of the first things he asked me was
when/if I planned to get pregnant since that is one possible
"solution".

---
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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sugarbabies
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:39:44 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Oct6.181955.4039@ims.com>, johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com (Johnny Battle) writes:

|> I think sugar has gotten a bum rap in the past couple of decades.

I agree. While I don't approve of consuming large amounts of nutritionally 
empty foods, it's absurd to credit small quantities of sugar with the 
effects of a strong poison.

A friend of mine went to a meeting of her La Leche League group a couple 
of days ago. Evidently, hers is among the loonier groups, although I 
understand that this is not true of all La Leche League groups. Her 
homemade banana nut muffins were poison, because they contained sugar. 

"It's so important," they said, "to use honey instead of sugar."

Wait a minute--honey is practically devoid of nutritional value, it's 
really nothing but sugar! Oh, but it's "natural." So is poison ivy, so 
that's not much of a selling point--and wait a minute, wasn't the sugar 
cane used to make the sugar a product of nature?

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Re: Late roll over
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.183301.8141@research.nj.nec.com>, sunita@research.nj.nec.com (Sunita Hingorani) writes:
> 
> Hi,
>   My son who will be 5 months on the 16th hasn't shown any signs of rolling
> over.  Has anybody else had similar experience?  Can it indicate a problem?
> 
> Thanks....
> 
> sunita
> 
> 
At 6 1/2 months my son wasn't rolling front to back very often, had only
flipped back to front accidentally twice, was sitting up (sort of) propped.
I was thinking omigosh he's developmentally delayed! Then, in the course
of the next few weeks he started rolling both ways, sat up by himself,
got up on hands and knees and started crawling! He was pulling up shortly 
thereafter and walked at 11 months. Maybe your son is just waiting until 
he's good and ready!

In the same vein, I thought Sean wasn't learning to talk - just babbeling
nonsense a lot. Then, on a trip home to visit my folks, my mom noticed
that some of that nonsense was actually words (I was just too stupid to
figure it out!). Now, I'm noticing new words in his vocabulary on literally
a daily basis.

Sometimes, I guess we should just relax about developmental milestones.
[An overachiever myself, I'm continually looking for signs of genius in
my kid!  ;-) ] Children have their own timetables!

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| Mary Beth Northrup                    "In the house and on the street .. |
| (mommy to Sean, 15 mo.)																	how many, many feet you meet!"   |
| EMN002@email.mot.com                                   ---  Dr. Seuss    |
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New daycare adjustment
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:55:13 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

Doug is starting his 3rd week at a new daycare center.  He seems to be
having a pretty hard time, even though he has been in daycare since he was 4
mos.  old (he is just about 13 mos.  old now).  I was wondering how long
children of this age take to adjust to this kind of change.  Before the move
I could leave him happily playing, with a wave good-bye.  Now, he clings to
me as soon as we enter the building and screams when I leave.  I should add
that he is in a pretty good mood when I pick him up, and they say he settles
down pretty well after I leave.

In the old center, it seemed to take almost a couple of months for him to
adjust to the "crawler/walker" room when he moved up from the infant room,
although there were a couple of turnovers in staff at the same time (this
was a really rough time, too).  Is Doug just a "slow" adjuster?  Or is this
"normal"for kids this age?

Are we just going through a renewed separation anxiety phase?  How do you
tell the difference between adjusting to a new place and there being
something about the center/caregivers that he doesn't like?

Any suggestions for ways to make this transition easier?  The first few days
I spent several hours each morning with him before I left--should I do that
for awhile longer?  Or is it better to just hand him off and walk out
quickly (I'm not sure I could do this)?

 Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sj@netcom.com (Suzanne Jacobs)
Subject: maternity/nursing clothes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:47:23 GMT


There's a directory of people who make maternity and
breastfeeding clothes.  Lots of them are home industries,
so they take special orders over the phone.  I sent away
for some of the flyers, and some people even include
swatches of the material they use.

There are nightgowns, bras, clothes for home and work.
The maternity stuff is also good for nursing -
something I had a hard time finding in the stores.

Prices are great.

Send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to

Association for Breastfeeding Fashions
P.O. Box 4378
Sunland, CA  91040

I am not connected to this in any way.  I just hated having to
buy nursing clothes that I knew would be used for such a short
time.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dwp@cactus.org (Deborah Platt)
Subject: Re: praise vs encouragement?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:26:13 GMT

In article <9210061531.AA01468@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>	I've been thinking about this subject (praise vs
>encouragement) recently.  I feel that it is important to do things for
>personal satisfaction and not just because someone says "good job".
>This is not a really big issue for me directly yet, but I can see it
>coming up really soon.  I'm interested in hearing how other people
>handle encouragement/praise.
>	Thanks for any info....
>				Lisa

I am wondering what age child you are talking about.  I have a 20 mo,
and I would say that at this age we do both praise and encouragement,
but given her age neither are particularly sophisticated.  Encouragement
goes something like this, "You're doing it -- that's right -- you've
almost got it."  Praise goes more like this "Good job -- that was great --
that was close -- how nice"  About the only difference that I can see is 
that the first is more focused on the process, and the second is on the 
outcome.  I'm not convinced that this distinction corresponds to any
differnce in intrinsic and extrinsic motivation.  And in almost all
cases, the activity that is being praised or encouraged has been
initiated by our daughter, which would seem to imply that she's
engaging in it because it has some intrinsic appeal.

Deb Platt
-- 

========================================================================
Deb Platt
dwp@cactus.org		cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!dwp
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Help avert a tragedy(smoke detectors)
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:49:51 GMT

In article <1ba9hfINN2ju@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas  
Fowler) writes:

>      Officials also said that faulty smoke detectors have prevented at  
least
> a few people from awakening in time.  Please, *please*, check the  
batteries
> in your detectors a couple times a year.  

How about getting them hard-wired so that they don't require batteries?
I can think of worse ways to spend money.

John Wolff
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Meconium in Waters (was Re: Birth Story & moving with a newborn)Keywords:
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:36:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Oct14.183617.12255
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

In article <1992Oct14.170732.10095@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
|> 
|> Someone asked 
|> what a midwife does when there's meconium in the water...that happened
|> to my 3rd child, and it wasn't a problem.  My midwife broke the water, and
|> I immediately was ready to push, then she told me that there was meconium
|> in the water.  She called the pediatrician, who came in and said "Yes, that's
|> meconium...call me when the baby's born."  20 minutes later, the my
|> daughter was born, the dr came back, and spent 1-2 minutes making sure
|> that her lungs were clear (they were).  The part that made me mad is
|> that I was charged $200 for his 1st 30 second yes-that's-meconium visit,
|> and my daughter was charged $200 for the 1-2 minutes spent clearing
|> her lungs!  Yes, if something *had* been wrong, I would have been
|> glad he was there, and it's doubtful that I would have objected to
|> a combined $400 charge, but...I think the fee was excessive for the
|> service provided!  (I argued afterwards about this, saying it didn't
|> seem right to charge what some people make in a week for less than
|> 5 minutes work...it didn't make a difference, and I ultimately
|> switched doctors.)
|> If could do it all over again, I think I'd try harder to get my hubby
|> to agree to a home birth.
|> 
|> Valerie

I asked the original question because I was THINKING of a home birth,
although obviously midwives work in hospital-type settings also, so
that physicians can easily "pop in" several times, as they did in your 
case.

So back to what I intended for my original question:  what do midwives
do during a HOME birth if they see "black waters" (MY situation for baby
#3)?  Is that an immediate uh-oh-Better-get-to-a-hospital-situation or can 
this still be dealt with by the midwife at home?

Jan
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Far apart in age
Date: 9 Oct 1992 08:41:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>I disagree that most girls think babies are cute and adorable and think
>they'd like to have one. You've really got teenage girls stereotyped on that	
>one. All the teenaged girls I knew a decade ago when I was one thought about
>babies the same way the teenaged boys did: they're a burden, a pain, to be
>avoided at all costs until after college, marriage, beginning a career etc.


Well, maybe I have stereotyped a bit, but EVERY teenage girl(friend or
close aquaintence) I knew thought that having a baby would be the
greatest thing - all that love they'd have, etc.  Guess girls in
different socail circles do have different ideas, I stand corrected.

-Shirl
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