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From: 973fquades@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Classical Music?
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:50:36 GMT
Reply-To: 973fquades@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

I was listening to the local classical music station the other day and in a
commercial touting their wide variety of music, the announcer referred to a
piece called "The Return of Laemon Kinan."  Has *anyone* ever heard of this
music?  If so, who is the composer?  Is there a recording we should all
know about?

If no one has heard this great piece, I believe we can assume it is the 
the true name of the "Total Failure" song--long title, of course being
"The Return of Laemon Kinan without the Sampo"

Any clues?

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From: lionel@quark.enet.dec.com (Steve Lionel)
Subject: Re: Scrampa?
Reply-To: lionel@quark.enet.dec.com (Steve Lionel)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:17:24 GMT


In article <1k1e0uINNaat@uwm.edu>, roy@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Roy Alan Radosevich) 
writes:

|>I don't know if it's just me, but did anybody think the police chief 
|>in "Bride of the Monster" looked just like truss-supported grandpa
|>from Teenagers from Space? Just having good flashbacks.
|>

Yup.  I asked local MSTees where I had seen him before, and one suggested it
was in "Teenagers from Space".  But I thought it had been somewhere else
as well....  The actor's name was not familiar.
--

Steve Lionel                    lionel@quark.enet.dec.com
SDT Languages Group
Digital Equipment Corporation
110 Spit Brook Road
Nashua, NH 03062
From: jwvhewit@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Guelph Erronious)
Subject: Re: Man is a...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:23:12 GMT

	Thank you for all the responses to my question. It's really going
to come in handy... 
					
					Guelph "Sampo" Erronious
					Topolistic Knight,
					SOL-gazer.

	"I know your name!!! It's BOB! Backwards... that's... bob.
	 	     You bastard!!!! I hate you!!!!"
		  (anyone out there ever see "Warlock"?)
From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Something to Look Forward To
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:01:19 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

From _Re/Search: Incredibly Strange Films_:
Profile of "Hal Warren"
     El Paso fertilizer salesman whose _Manos, The Hands of Fate_
is a cult legend. _Manos_ portrays what happens to a young couple
after they miss a turn in the road and end up at a strange house
where they meet "Torgo," a spastic hippie who guards the place when
the master is away. After forcing their way in, the couple become
frightened by weird goings-on. Eventually "The Master" shows up
along with his bevy of wives. There is some talk of other
dinmensions, a catfights, and Torgo loses his right ahnd and his
job.
     _Manos, The Hands of Fate_ is a joy to watch. It is a true
rarity: a film completely devoid of Hollywood influence or
conventional filmmaking technique. Jump cuts abound; continuity is
nonexistent. The editing is _leaden_; it's doubful if any film
ended up on the cutting room floor. If the actors have difficulty
remembering their lines, the camera stays on them until they do--
no matter how long it takes! Warren was so stingy with his footage
that in one scene we catch a glimpse of the clapper as it pulls out
of the frame. _Manos, The Hands of Fate_ was his first and last
attempt at filmmaking.
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Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org

"Do I BELIEVE in the Bible? Hell, man, I've even SEEN one!!"
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From: langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: What Jim Mallon is going to think if he reads these posts
Keywords: Inside Mallon's mind
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:22:33 GMT
Organization: Information Builders, Inc.


Hi.

Let's face it. For what to have happened to happen, BBI is getting
these posts. So, when he get's the current batch, I think only one
thing is going to go through his mind.

"Some people need to relax."

I think the point has been over made, and it's time to relax until we
get more facts on development. I also think the "Usenet" general
position is well established, and until new developments arise, we
chill. BBI is going to read these posts if they are being forwarded,
and it's going to look silly. I may have contributed to the thread a
bit, but it's time to relax. I respectfully request from my friends
and fellow fans we show an element of respect at this time, and we
drop the issue for now. It's a waste of our time. I am sure if BBI
hasn't realised there was mis-communication by now between the direct
contact of the ones involved AND from the reaction from the fans so
far, they will never learn and it's just a waste of breath. Otherwise,
they will see their need to 'relax', and everybody is happy.

Please, no more "hate posts". THis is my respectful request to you, my
freinds. 



					John Langbein
					No Fan Number Yet
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From: chelius@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (The Shaggy T.A.)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Bride of ... *HUH?*
Keywords: Bela or the 8-legged wonder??
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:58:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Now can somebody answer this???  The movie is called "Bride of the Monster."
Does this mean that our reporter was going to be wed to the eight-legged
blow-up doll???  Wasn't it "the monster?"  She did appear in a gown of sorts.
Of course, Bela was kind of an octopus himself, but technically he wasn't
a "monster" til Tor turned him into one.  (Does Tor's ability to do that
make him a latent genius, or can just anyone radiate people in such a way that
they suddenly don pumps???)  I don't know, but it seems that the title was
a little misleading....GOD, WHY DO I CARE????

Serious, is it possible that they were trying to ride on the coattails of
the Frankenstein movies??  Anyone know??

-Shags
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Marquette University, Milwaukee, WI   |            -A Tom of Another Sort
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From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: I'm HIRED!!
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:30:52 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: prentice.wkar.msu.edu

In article <1993Jan28.161420.25432@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
>Subject: Re: I'm HIRED!!
>Date: 28 Jan 93 16:14:20 GMT
>In article <1993Jan26.145502.15590@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> bheil@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brian Heil) writes:
>>From article <1993Jan26.085646.10421@news.uiowa.edu>, by nzimman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Nicholas R. Zimmerman):
>>> fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>>> 
>>>>I loved the Opera-like song "Hired!" inspired by the short film by the
>>>>same name.  It made even more sense than the little film did!  Truly
>>>>great stuff!
>>> 
>>>>"Zerooooooo....my salesmen are all zeroooooooes....."
>>> 
>>> Actually, I would say that it was more bad Broadway musicalish rather 
>>> than opera. But nonetheless, it was cool. Man, can Joel sing! :)
>>>  
>>Yep, I'd agree here.  Raise your hand, those of you who had High School 
>>flashbacks during this little gem!
>
>You bet - there I was, sitting in the pit again, playing trumpet and 
>wishing I had a .45 so I could pick off those perky theater geeks at
>my leisure. Closest I ever came was shooting a champaign cork over 
>the heads of the cast in "Stop the World I Want to Get Off" during 
>the business presentation scene. Didn't hit anyone, though - sigh.

I thought it sounded like really bad Sondheim! Come to think of it, is there 
any good Sodnheim?

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WKAR-FM, 283 Communication Arts Bldg  East Lansing, MI 48824-1212 USA
Internet: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu      Bitnet: hal@radio.wkar.bitnet
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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: What in the Sam Hill is going on?
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:28:48 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

Yuma Hall MSTies speak:

Well, Sturm und Drang, we think we've figured out "Bride of the Monster", 
at least the ending.

First the Bela Lugosi stand-in puts on platform shoes.
Then the plastic Star Trek boulder gets rolled down a hill by a guy with
no shirt, BUT with suspenders still firmly (ooh yeah) in place.
Then the Bela Lugosi stand-in falls down on the giant octopus plastic
lounge chair.  He starts thrashing around and pulling rubber hoses on top
of him.
Then, conveniently, lightning strikes them both.
This sets off the nuclear bomb test stock footage.
Luckily, it didn't hurt or even horribly scar any of the characters.
Nine-Finger Gramps gives a short eulogy for his bird, and the credits roll.

Now, the meaning of this is....what this is trying to say...OH MY GAWD 
IT WAS SO FUCK*NG HORRIBLE OH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE [sob sob sob sob]

This movie combined the worst elements of _The Phantom "Still shakin' the
bushes boss" Creeps_, _Teenagers "I have never piloted swim trunks before"
From Outer Space_, and _The "Time for go to bed" Unearthly_.  I would
have been hard pressed, personally, to pick out the worst parts of these
movies, but I guess transvestites have a different view on life.  I guess
good old Ms. Edward Wood was able to pick it out...THANKS A LOT!

You watch it.  I'm bitter.

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Free at last!
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:58:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <C1HnBx.JMu@moscow.uidaho.edu> eingerma@zeus.mrc.uidaho.edu (Tim the Enchanter) writes:
>I've wanted to ask this question for 4 months now so here it goes:
>In what episode do Joel and the bot's make the remark " look at my
>crotch..look at my crotch.." in regards to some cheerleaders? 

That's in "The Home Economics Story," the short that was before "The Saga
of the Viking Women and Their Voyage to the Waters of the Great Sea
Serpent."

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: DENNIS LEARY
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:41:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Re: Comedy vs. MST3K vs. Misspelled contractions (was Denis Leary)
Keywords: Oh, I don't think so...

In article <C1F9qK.1wM@athena.cs.uga.edu>, jordan@castor (Chuckingham Palace) writes:
> rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby) writes:
> comedians who became really popular just on shock value and neither are
> particularly interesting or funny, IMO.  They also both get lots of raves
> about how original and daring they are, when I just don't get it.

I have to disagree with the shock value comment..... He is just funny.
He is doing what you and I are doing, and what Joel and the bots are
doing.... stating opinions.    I believe MOST comedy IS at the expense of
others.... Sure there are funny things to be said that are not offensive...

Just don't take Dice, Pryor or Leary seriously.... if you do then you 
are not freeing your mind.....

By the way, I do fuck up a contraction now and then....  especially
when typing at an accelerated rate.... KMA......

> One of the few MTV bands I like.  Work on your spelling, Coz.
> 
> (I so rarely get *permission* to post my opinions on the net; I usually have
> to volunteer them!  It's fun!)
 
You are(avoided contraction you see.. whacka whacka) correct!
If you really hate folk who have fun at expense of others... catch us all
on alt.evil   especially Bill.....

Later,

Coz













Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: cmaddox@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Maddox)
Subject: Re: Machines named after MST3K characters?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:15:24 GMT

patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes:

>:)  I also made GREAT looking Tom Servo and Crow icons.  I'm working on Gypsy
>and I plan to do Cambot too.  Maybe if I get ambitious I'll try humans like
>Joel, Dr F., Frank, and Larry...maybe even Gerry and Sylvia!  I dunno.  I
>should really just relax...

Is there any way I could get those icons?

Chuck
From: mpython@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nicest of the Damned)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: The Day The Earth Froze (Laemon Hero?)
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:14:21 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Worcester Discordian Society, 17th Deformed Church
NNTP-Posting-Host: wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: memco@cns.nyu.edu's message of 19 Jan 93 20:07:55 GMT

I was waiting the entire episode for one of the 'Bots to say: "Lemon
Curry?" ... especially after the other Python references already made.
Then again, I'm like that. go figger

jer
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Anybody got it?
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:40:20 GMT

In article <1k3nn9INNlpt@uwm.edu> roy@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Roy Alan Radosevich) writes:
>Sorry to be a pain, but does anybody have a schedule for next month (Feb) 
>yet?  Also, how long after you order something from BBI does it take to 
>get it? Just wondering, thanx.
>
>                                          "Jeepers, this dogtag's a goldmine!"
>                                                                 Derek
>                                                                       TfOS
>

Don;'t have a schedule, but it is all reruns. Won;'t be any new ones til
around June or so.

Pax
					--Judex--
PS: But don't miss "Manos, The Hands Of Fate" this Saturday. Ultra-Deep Hurting!
From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: syrinx.umd.edu FTP is a MESS!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:25:11 GMT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I was just using the syrinx.umd.edu FTP site (the mst3k directories of course).
I want to mention what a pile of crap it's become!  Here's why:
1) Someone uploaded a file that won't fit on High Density Disk!  Therefore
   if anyone wants it, they have to download it (if it were smaller, I could
   easily just pop a disk in the computer system and take it in 2 seconds!)
   I hate BIG files!
2) There are 4 different sound formats.  I posted the first sounds (.voc)
   then someone else decided to post .au  Then someone else posted .wav files
   which were uuencoded (the .au's weren't!)  And now there are Mac sounds
   compressed with BinHex and StuffIt.  I haven't looked in the Mac files
   yet, but I suspect there are some duplicate sounds!  Maybe someone should
   take the sounds and put them in ONE format and post them back.  (I'll
   do it but only if all the others are removed...)
3) There's a copy of all the pictures in .gif and .jpg format.  That's
   plain stupid.  Keep them in .gif...any computer that can read .jpg can
   surely convert from .gif (same is NOT true in reverse).
4) There are a TON of files in the incoming directory...

Who's the moderator there?  Who's in charge?

As I said, I'd help clean up the sounds by putting them all in the same format,
but the sounds that aren't in that format should be killed.

What's everyone's favorite format?  I prefer Macintosh sound...but I'll be
happy if I don't have to hunt all over creation for 8 different sound
converters!!!

Phew...that's it...for now.

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Subject: Re: MST (*Shh!*)
From: mduhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Matthew Duhan)
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:16:41 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan23.035847.13713@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.224008.29031@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>In article <C12Hu7.CED@news2.cis.umn.edu> rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan17.221154@ece.arizona.edu> evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans) writes:
>>>>Are you new to the group?
>>>
>>>Do you want to go ... faster?
>>>
>>Does this bother you, I'm not touching you?
>
>"Am I a clown?  Do I amuse you?"
>
You gonna cry? Huh? You gonna cry? Cry baby.

Matt

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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (The Mantle Clinic)
Subject: Re: ALIVE!
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:19:26 GMT

kruger@plains.NoDak.edu  writes:
> 
> Just saw the movie, ALIVE!, and all I want to say aobut it is:
> 
> 	ROCK CLIMBING!
> 
> Definately MST3k material.  I looked at my watch every 5 minutes during
> the movie.  Anything more, would be a spoiler.
> -- 
> ==========================================================================
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In the MST3K experiment for _Santa Claus Conquers the
Martians_, when the little boy and girl are hiding in a cave,
Joel sez "Hey, did you ever read the book _Alive_?"
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Big News! Major Discovery! Mildly Interesting!
Reply-To: davison@genghis.borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:44:50 GMT

Mike White (m14494@mwvm.mitre.org) wrote:
> Also, the flames on the torches are clearly going *down* on the zoom out!
> Zowie!

I was just noticing this the other day myself.  I was in a looking-for-
details frame of mind because of the recent claims that our theatre friends
are sitting facing toward us, not the "screen" (they aren't -- look at the
part in Joel's hair -- they're facing away from us, as shown on the "Making
of MST3K").

Anyway, how many of you already knew that there's a scene in the opening
song where the image is clearly reversed?  Look for the word "Gizmonics"
backward.
-- 
Wayne Davison
davison@genghis.borland.com
From: quadel@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: TDtEF
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:43:07 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: quadel@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

I must say the TDtEF really got me going, one of the funnier episodes
I've seen lately.  The whole sequence with the guy riding the log down
the river ("Like my log?  I got it for graduation.") and all the
Swedish Beach Boy references were some of the funniest lines I've
heard anywhere.  What a hoot!


--"Get me!  I'm giving Houston the finger!"
                                        -Crow T. Robot
                                        "Space Travellers"

Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: The schedule, Frank, THE SCHEDULE!!
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:48:34 GMT

In article <107897@bu.edu> pfmurphy@acs.bu.edu (Paul Murphy) writes:
>Anybody know what this weekend's MST schedule is? 
>
Maybe.....

>Saturday? Is it gonna be [shudder with anticipation] a new program?
>
As told and duscussed and all here, It was "Bride Of The Monster", 
and it was justly much feared!


>By the way, in regards to "The Day the Earth Became Unseasonably Cold" 
>did anyone else wonder why the hell they were all so worried about
>the witch having a Sampo when it seemed to be nothing more than a 
>primitive rock-salt VENDING MACHINE????
>
Nope. Relax.

>I was so glad to hear that "Manos, Hands of Orlac" (is that the right name??
>not quite sure.) is going to be MSTied later this season. I've seen this
>one, and let me tell you, it's a diabolical, cinematic....it's just bad.
>Remember that bad film they showed? This is going to be even worse.
>
Well, you are confusing two films here. "The Hands Of Orlac" is an old
disembodied hand thriller, remade several times. But the one they have
is "Manos, The Hands Of Fate", and I warn all of you who doubt your
courage, to treat this film with caution.

Only "Hercules" with Lou Ferrigno comes close, and this is still far worse.
Bon Appetit!

>BU's Paul
"That guy who LIKED Castle of Fu Manchu. Sort of."
<And I am the other guy who liked "Castle Of Fu Manchu"!>

Pax
					--Judex--
.
From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: This law thing
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Greetings.
I've been playing catchup alot lately as I have not had the time to
go through this newsgroup adequately. I have recently come upon the
question on Lisa Jenkins not being able to use her .sig files (which
is a shame, since she's done a wonderful job on them). 
I haven't finished reading through all the posts, but I'd like to know,
what does this announcement from the law firm mean to the rest of us who
would care to use MST3K figures in our .sig files. Are we all banned
from showing off our admiration for our friends in space? Or is there
something that I'm completely missing here? 
Just like my .sig says (close to the small ascii pix of Tom) "I'm confused."
T.

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