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From: patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney)
Subject: Re: Weird Movies
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:32:26 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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"Fingers" directed by James Toback. Great scene where Harvey
Keitel gets his prostate checked out by a foul-mouthed 
proctologist.

Also: "Thundercrack" by San Francisco film maker Curt McDowell (sp?), 
asort of low budget, old dark house mystery with bizarre porno
interludes involving everything up to and including a gorilla. Not
for the faint hearted, although very funny.

"Performance", Nick Roeg's first film a director -- co-director,
actually. Still holds up as a curious parody of the Krays. Mick
Jagger good as a faded rock star nicknamed Rubber Lips. 

Anything by Kenneth Anger: Inaugeration of the Pleasure Dome. --
Invocation of my Demon Brother. - Fireworks. - Puce Moment. -
Kustom Kar Kommandos. - Lucifer Rising. - Scorpio Rising. - Eau
d'Artifice. &c.

George Franju's "Les Sang des betes"; a poetic view of a Paris
slaughter house.

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From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: x can't make money
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:44:31 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu

>> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
>> 
>> >Your reasoning sounds good. However, remember that several of
>> >the biggest blockbusters in history were long movies: Gone
>> >with the Wind, Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, Lawrence of Arabia.
>> >There are others. All of these films are longer than 3 hours, and
>> >all made tons of money.
>> 

And were released either before television, or before television was a 
'one in every room' appliance at the very least.

With the exception of the recent Dances With Wolves, long movies do not
see the box office dollars for many reasons.  I think the first and
foremost reason is the easy availability of alternatives.  When Gone 
With the Wind appeared on America's movies screens, how many alternatives
for entertainment were available to the average Joe?  The close
second is the lesser number of showtimes per day that can be run for
these films.  If I can put more people into that auditorium per day 
by getting a lesser film with a shorter running time I make more money.
Depite my wish for quality over quantity, I am paid to carry out the 
decisions of someone who doesn't have to answer the patrons questions.
So the shorter film comes in and shortens the run of the film, cutting
the box office legs out from under it.

I think the evil of the Thought Vampire hurts long films too.  From 
open to close in 24 minutes with a break in the middle and a neat,
tidy conclusion after annother break at the end.  If the television
has not created the attention span challenged, it has certainly 
nurtured them.  So these folks wait for the tape (as three of my 
regulars will for Malcolm and Scent) so that they can stop and start
the film when their limit is surpassed.  And they will only have to
wait a few weeks after the films leave the theatres to catch them
at home.

-Neal

NOTE:  I had actually tried to send this when the discussion first 
started, so it by passes a few later points.  I just don't have the 
inclination right now to reedit it.  Gotta love application upgrades:)

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From: jlewis@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (john bernard lewis)
Subject: Emma & Elvis
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:38:49 GMT

I have recently subscribed to this group and after a look around, I
began to wonder about something: Has anyone else on the net had the
opportunity to see a film titled Emma & Elvis.  It is an independent
film made by Julia Reichart in 1990.  And was filmed in Dayton Ohio.
If anyone has seen it, let me know and let me know what you thought of
it.

	I originally went to see it when it appeared at ohio State's
Wexner Center for Art because my girlfriend was on the production
staff.  All I really went to see was her name in the credits.  However
I left the theater having seen one great movie!  I hope that it will
soon receive greater distribution than it already has.

	Please post your responses to the net for others to see, I
really feel this is a movie that more people should have the
opportunity to see!
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Seen Young or Shawn Young?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:27:14 -0700
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <Cindy_Bale-110193130248@134.56.140.224>, Cindy_Bale@net.com (Cindy Bale) writes:
> In article <1993Jan9.091039.25247@bradley.bradley.edu>,
> guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan) wrote:
>> 
>> 	A friend of mine insists that Sean Young (of Blade Runner and
>> numerous other movies) pronounces her name `Seen.'  Sounds corny
>> to me.  Anyone here know for sure?
>> 
> I watched Whoopee Goldberg interview Sean Young last week and I'm sure that
> I would have noticed if Whoopee had called Sean "Seen", so "Shawn" it is.
                          ^^^^^^^

	Is that pronounced "Woo-pee" or "Hoo-pee"?
	
> 
> Cindy
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From: jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re:     Bond books and movies
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:45:21 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1993Jan6.165148.6447@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <93005.184742ASNTB@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ASNTB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>It
>>will be interesting to see what title is chosen for the new Bond film set for
>>release later this year (last I heard).
>
>MGM/UA has announced that there will be a new Bond film, but they haven't
>announced a title, and I believe that they indicated that they haven't
>settled the script, yet.  Given the lengthy postproduction time necessary for
>a film of this type, and that they haven't even announced a starting date for
>shooting yet, much less actually shot anything, it's practically impossible
>that the film will come out this year.  Summer 1994 is likely, with Christmas
>1994 also being a possibility, especially if things bog down.  Timothy
>Dalton is supposed to star, but, with the shooting still in the indefinite
>future, that might change.
>
>--
>		Peter Reiher
>		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
>

 I heard that it was supposed star Sean Connery and be titled
 "Never Say Never Again Again".:) JUST KIDDING!

 Just could help myself.

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From: rsengupt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rita E Sengupta)
Subject: Re: Suggestions...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:43:34 GMT

In article <3974@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) w
rites:
>
>Hi all:
>
>
>I have a taste for good, eccentric movies that create an exciting,
>interesting, funny and sometimes disgusting world of their own.
>Examples: *Brazil*, *Baghdad Cafe*, *After Hours*, *The Cook, the
>Thief, ...*, etc.  Any other movies of that sort you can think of?
>Thanks,
>
>Ahmed B.
>--------------------------------------------------------------


I guess any movie with Divine would fit into that category.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Suggestions...
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:15:42 GMT


Mom and Dad Save the World
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From: jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jimmy Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Things I Noticed during HOFFA
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:46:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan06.184147.56878@uvmark.uucp> you write:
>
>Did anyone else notice when they saw HOFFA...
>
>   1.  The audience cracking up/giggling when DeVito's character was
>       making out on the bed with that dumb-sexy blonde?
>      
>       I kinda felt sorry for Danny having everyone laugh at him,
>       but it was funny seeing the guy kiss this girl...like everyone
>       was thinking, "Yeah, only in your dreams (or movies!) Danny-boy!"

Actually, in the theatre, no one laughed at all.  If anything,
it's a symbol of how you can be easily corrupted with power.
(Although I did wonder if Devito filmed the T&A shot just so he
could say he was in sex scene.)  :)

>   2.  That DeVito LOVES the "I'd like to be a HIP/COOL/ARTSY director"
>       shots, like doing from-the-ceiling shots of scenes which gain
>       nothing from them, for instance when he enters a nightclub to meet with
>       Armand Assante's character?
>
>       I found his direction distracting and trying way too hard.

At times, I admit it was a bit heavy-handed, but I still regard
film as being an ART FORM, and using camera angles and movement
to enforce decor and create mood is important.  If you want to
see something less "ARTSY", then watch one of the Amy Fisher
TV-Movies..  :)

>   3.  That the credits-at-the-end choice is happening more & more, like
>       also with 'The End' at the end of some new movies, picking up
>       on when it was done way back when?
>       (At least it gets more people staying to watch the credits!)

What's wrong with this?  I personally like it better, at least
you don't have to sit through it TWICE.  The credits at the
beginning are due to the fact people always want their name
first.

>   4.  That this movie was just OK?  I didn't learn a thing about Hoffa,
>       except that he liked to make big, grand speeches in front of
>       big, grand crowds, consisting of big, muscled working stiffs.

As I said in another message, this film ISN'T a documentary, but
more like a cinematic play.  The point isn't to have a bunch of
facts and different theories on how Hoffa was killed, but to
create a mood, atmosphere, and a general view on what Jimmy Hoffa
stood for.  Check out the documentary about Hoffa on PBS if
you're really looking to "learn a thing" (sic).

IMHO, this film is going to remembered for years to come, when
people recall the great works of Jack Nicholson and David Mamet.

jkung@acs.  | "You shoot me in a dream, you better wake up and
ucalgary.ca | apologize." - Mr. White (H. Keitel) RESERVOIR DOGS

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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:45:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.191716@usho21.hou281.chevron.com>  
hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:

>  Duvall's character represented the gung-ho, we're-the-best, total-
>  confidence-in-his-troops-and-firepower mentality that served so well
>  during Desert Storm.
> 
>  But, he did not represent the "kill-kill-kill mentality that got us so 
>  deeply involved in a useless, tragic war.
> 
>  That dubious honor goes to JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and all the other 
>  politicans "that got us so deeply involved in a useless, tragic war" 
>  and then prevented the military from doing its job.

Some would question who these politician's served: the people who elected  
them, themselves, their major political/financial backers, or the  
military. Recent hypotheses suggest the last item (though more likely all  
of the above in some form or another). Coppola/Milius did address the  
issue of the benefits of war to the long term, back-line professional  
soldier in the debriefing dinner scene. It was not necessarily in the  
military's interest to end the war, and it was the military (or CIA) that  
was responsible for fabricating phony casualty counts and other similar  
falsifications to keep the investment in warfare at high level. However,  
if any of the commanders-in-chief had the guts to insist the joint chiefs  
wage all-out war and win the thing with whatever was necessary, things  
might have gone differently. Of course, I understand Nixon even proposed  
using the bomb near the end, so who's to say gung-ho is a good thing (and  
this is what's addressed by the film). Anyway, there was so much slime,  
greed, corruption, and compromise going on in the Vietnam war that maybe  
the only real deciding factor was the jungle and it's inherent strategic  
limitations, and the jungle plays the largest role in the film.

As an aside, since Desert Storm was mentioned, let's not forget that our  
forces were not allowed to take Saddam down. Now, was that in Bush's best  
interest? Hardly, since he got blamed for the call, and it made him look  
bad. It did however serve the military and related strategests nicely,  
since we still have a bad guy to protect the world from and can argue  
against cutting the military budget.

AK
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:29:43 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

Ian Fleming was not in MI5.  He and Malcolm Muggeridge spent WWII
running an office in Whitehall with a nameplate that said "Naval
Intelligence".  One of the running topics of discussion waas whether
they were a decoy or the real thing.  They never knew.

Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       Legislated morality is the enemy of true morality
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From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:36:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.002401.8426@netcom.com> damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
>"SEE the amazing simple declaratory sentences!!"

...which were highly offensive to me, unless there is a Great Law:

     "Offensiveness shall be in direct proportion to the power of the
     offendee: powerful Hollywood motion picture makers shall be
     easily offended, even by insignificant network posts that they
     shall never read: Bosnians, Muslims, insignificant computer
     consultants/pseudo-intellectuals are impossible, on the other
     hand, to offend."

>"READ the extraordinarily simple statements of OPINION!!"

     ...unjustified by facts, references to authority, or argumentation
     of any sort...

>"SEARCH to your HEARTS content for 'name calling' - and walk away DUMBFOUNDED

     What's"pseudo-intellectual?"  Is this country now a Latin American
     banana republic, in which even without the modifier,
     "Intellectuals" shall be targets of opportunity, whether in last
     Sunday's New York Times Book Review, or in Paul Johnson's hack
     work, whose very designator shall be produced with a colonel's
     brutal sneer?

> means ONLY THAT, and not 'i hate this world and those damnable conservatives
> who are responsible for all that is wrong in the world and francis ford is
> so lost in his weltanschauung that he has become a power mad tyrant who alone
> is responsible for the death camps of herzegovina and some of my best friends
> are gypsies and my concern for them is NOT just an expression of hip pseudo-
> intellectual faux-involvement!' "

     Unfortunately, much of politics IS expression, and at any roads,
     you have know way of knowing how the expression links up with
     action.  Or would you prefer that I did not speak, but acted
     instead?  Ah, but then I'd be a "terrorist", wouldn't I, to be
     placed on display (like a fucking animal) as was that erstwhile
     intellectual Guzman of Sendero Luminoso.

     Coppola's a Fascist, and a no-talent when compared to Attenborough.
     You gotta problem with that?

>
>i find it further humourous that mr Nilges is apparently unable to 
>respond to what i wrote - he merely quotes me without comment. this must
>be the result of a well-rounded education...i've seen this done at least
>three times previously by our honourable interlocutor.

    Amusing: since I had no hand in the design of Princeton's news
    server.  And are "real" intellectuals computer nerds, and is
    this electronic burp a sign of deficiency?  The deficiency lies
    in your exagerrating its importance.



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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:23:54 GMT

Greg, I agree with your post!  So often the trailers are what's
memorable about the movie.  The past few movies that I saw remain a
blur, yet the trailers for Passenger 57, Malcolm X, Chaplin, Sneakers
remain classics!!

Why isn't there an acheivement award for production of these fine
little tidbits of entertainment?

On another note,  while I agree with Lisa and her humorous
dissertation of patron rebukes and management irritations, I find
Spencer to be a little less open minded about his posts.  Lisa speaks
from both vantage points of the "movie" experience and gives us a much
better presentation.  Spencer, however, seems to relish his role as
one of control when problems are encountered.  I would rather go to
Lisa's theater and pay more $$ for popcorn with real butter! :>

While on the subject of peeves.... Here's another - that credit thing...
I know lots of people who have struggled for recognition in costume
and design and sound editing and lots of the "unglamorous" tedious
work that goes into a movie.  The names become familiar -  I know a few
of these people and it's great to see what project someone has just
finished and how much help they had or did they get individual credit.

Besides, it gives the patron a chance to "reenter" the interactive world
after enjoying the passive existence of an observer for two or three hours.

Some of us prefer a slower re-emergence into the real world rather
than rushing out the door immediately.  Some movies are meant to be
savored, pondered and yes, credits are meant to be read, not only by
those in the industry, but by those of us who appreciate good
filmmaking and craftsmanship in the finished product.

Just my .02

Donna
From: wkao@ucrengr.ucr.edu (wayne kao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Kurosawa's Rhapsody in August
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:29:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Hi all,

	I was just wondering if anyone knew when this movies
will be out on video.  Or if already is anywhere.  
Thank you.


Wayne Kao  A.K.A. Wahoo 'The next great Jedi Knight'                
(Just another water molecule in the toilet bowl of life)
wkao@ucrengr.ucr.edu       University of California, Riverside	
"A man has a lot of time to think with a tube up his nose.."
-- 
Wayne Kao  A.K.A. Wahoo 'The next great Jedi Knight'                
(Just another water molecule in the toilet bowl of life)
wkao@ucrengr.ucr.edu       University of California, Riverside	
"A man has a lot of time to think with a tube up his nose.."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:27:38 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane - can some one explain?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:16:35 GMT

In <1993Jan11.092541.8842@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan) writes:

>In <1993Jan10.223134.9095@wuecl.wustl.edu> bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN) writes:

>>What is all about the rose bud thing in the movie? (a silly question?)
>>
>>I could only see a chair or a "sled" thing with ``Rose bud'' written
>>on it being incinerated toward the end of the movie.i

>I know that there are a lot of people out there who haven't seen CK that often
>(I only saw it once myself), but there are other places tpo get answers like
>this. (A movie catalog, a "Columbo" episode, etc.)

and, of course, there's the time when Lucy (of Charlie Brown fame) spoils
the movie for ?Linus? by screaming out at him:
  "Rosebud's the sled!"

dannyb@panix.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Accents
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:50:54 GMT

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>Why?  Because I hate reading subtitles.  It's not that I'm illiterate,
>I love reading.  I do it just for fun.  But, when I'm watching a movie
>or a television show, I hate reading the subtitles, because I spend all
>my time watching them, instead of the action.

I don't claim to be a fast reader but I normally have time enough to
read the subtitles 3 times before they change. And those movies with
lot of talk in it (=> many subtitles) are often those with little
action to miss.

And 95% of the movies I watch have subtitles on them anyway - no matter
if they use accented english instead of non-english languages or not.
I consider such practices a one sided aiming at english speaking markets.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen        | Je ne suis pas un voyou
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   | Je suis Monsieur Hire
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:17:45 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <3220101@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> dling@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Ling) writes:
>
>I figure if I'm going to have to watch it tonight if I ever want to
>have sex again. 

David,

Look at it this way(and you'll feel better about the whole thing): she
better not watch it tonight if *she* ever wants to have sex again :-)

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: blake7@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (berardinelli,james)
Subject: TU for TOUS 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:46:29 GMT
Summary: Apologies

As has already been pointed out, I mistakenly called TOUS LES MATINS...
TU LES MATINS...  Without making excuses (there are no excuses for such
blatant stupidity), the "TOUS" got changed in the process of converting
to ASCII.  A word search/replace of an italicized version of the title to
the all-caps used in the posted review resulted in the incorrect "TU".  Of
course, I'm responsible for the typo in the search/replace. It's something
that I should have caught and corrected before posting.   For an
indication that I'm not completely ignorant, take a look at the subject line.
It correctly identifies the title as "TOUS LES MATINS...".

Once again, my profuse apologies.

- James