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From: case@hsacsd.signaal.nl ( case team)
Subject: Interleaf Lisp problem
Reply-To: case@hsacsd.signaal.nl
Organization: Hollandse Signaalapparaten B.V., Apeldoorn
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:23:55 GMT

Who can help me?
I have the following problem with Interleaf Lisp:

I would like to extend a table with a row using Interleaf Lisp. Therefore I open the concerning document, get the table handle and the table row handle and try to extend the table by using the mid:create method of the doc-cmpn-editor-class
(Lisp Reference Manual Release 5.2 page 7-18):

(tell *facl-document* mid:open)
(setq *facl-table* (tell-class doc-table-class mid:get-first))
(setq *row-head* (name-find-head doc-cmpn-class "row" *facl-table*))
(tell *cmpn-editor* mid:goto :last :row)
(if *row-head*
  (tell *cmpn-editor* mid:create *row-head*))
)

The result of the code above is that the new created row does not belong to the existing table with all consequences. I know that I did not use the optional row argument, but using this argument resulted in error messages like "invalid argument". Can somebody explain me how to use this option, which will fix my problem?

Marcel Kuipers
case@hsacsd.signaal.nl
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: realliso@unity.ncsu.edu (Robert Allison)
Subject: printouts going to .desktop :(
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:45:49 GMT

In interleaf 5 on DECstations running X-Windows, several of
my friends (3 actually) have had the problem that Interleaf
sends their printouts to a postscript file in the .deskprint
directory instead of the printer.  

As far as I can tell, they were trying to print the correct 
way -- they must have somehow changed their default printing
properties.  Does anyone know what they might have done ...
and more importantly how they might change it back?

Thanks,
Robert Allison (realliso@unity.ncsu.edu)
From: aihaug@austin.lockheed.com (Daniel A Haug)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Interleaf and X-windows
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:30:12 GMT
Organization: "Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744"


I've used both Interleaf and FrameMaker steadily for the past five years.
I like them both (each has its own +'s and -'s).  One thing I dislike
about ileaf is the single X-window desktop view of things.  I'd like
to be able to open documents as individual top-level windows (with
window manager borders, etc.).  Does Interleaf have any plans to
eventually support this?  Just curious...

dan haug
-- 
Internet: haug@austin.lockheed.com
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Phone:    (512) 386-4634
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
Subject: Re: HELP: Graphic Box Problem
Reply-To: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:43:53 GMT

In article 19572@draco.macsch.com, todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:
>In article <1dloljINN14o@phoenix.genrad.com> djg@phoenix.genrad.com (Deborah J. Graham) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.055307.3754@ncsu.edu> sbdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (SHELDON BRANT DAVIS) writes:
>>>

[... stuff deleted ...]

>
>So, deb, how can *we* get the GenRad newsletter?
>-- 

ME TOO - ME TOO ...


Michael


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From: kevinr@ceco.ceco.com (Kevin R. Rumbaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: Printer problem on Sparcprinter
Keywords: Sparcprinter fails to print variety of interleaf documents.
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: kevinr@gamma.UUCP (Kevin R. Rumbaugh)
Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co.

In article <putz.721327109@beagle> putz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric Putz) writes:
>I have a sparcprinter that only likes to print certain interleaf
>documents/pages. I've found specifically that it does not like bullets
>or Swiss fonts, and sometimes frames. The printer is installed
>correctly (I believe - prints everything from other packages just
>fine) and has a pretty recent PPD file (file version 1.4). It will
>print pages that don't contain these things, but will fail with a very
>cryptic (to me) error message (which I can pass along if anyone would
>like :)
>
>Has anyone else experienced this? Know of a fix?

  I have seen a similar problem with our SPARCprinters here particularly
  the bullets causing problems and some frames.  After talking to
  Interleaf about it, and only partially getting it straightened out.
  They told me that I should NOT use type 1 Adobe fonts when doing
  the printer install for a SPARCprinter, this cleared up some
  of the problems, but others persisted.  I finally looked into how 
  the files were transferred from one machine to the other (Didn't
  try printing directly from the machine with the printer, but
  should have).  I found out that when doing the printer install
  there is an option that allows you to filter on the workstation
  or on the printer server.  I had it set to workstation and by looking
  at how it had set up the printcap files, I surmissed that what
  was happening was that the filter was getting done on the
  workstation, and they did not know that the printout would
  be going to a SPARCprinter.  Once the file got to the print
  server it was simply printed, and hence came out wrong. After
  changing so that the filtering was done on the print server
  everything that we had had a problem with printed out fine.
  I would say that this would add some load to the print server,
  so if it doubles as a user workstation warn them. :-)

  Hope this helps...

                     Kevin Rumbaugh  'The Marauder'
		      --- Commonwealth Edison ---
E-MAIL    : kevinr@ceco.com  OR   uunet!ceco!kevinr
AT&T      : (312) 294-8894        FAX	: (312) 294-4233
USMAIL    : Information Systems; Room 1139; 125 S. Clark; Chicago IL 60603

Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: usenet@draco.macsch.com (Usenet Poster)
Subject: Re: Printer problem on Sparcprinter
Followup-To: comp.text.interleaf
Originator: bert@indigo2.pisces.macsch.com
Keywords: Sparcprinter fails to print variety of interleaf documents.
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.122407.23144@draco.macsch.com> bert@indigo2.pisces.macsch.com (Bert Engelenburg) writes:
>
>Same problem here , SunOS 4.1.2 , Newsprint 2.0 and sparcprinter.
>Printing of Swiss font and Thames font give dirty output, i think because
>fonts are not available for newsprint so an approx of the font is printed
>Have noticed anything about bullets and frames though .
>
Sorry have not noticed any problems with bullets and frames. sparcprinter
does print but the output looks terrible.No weird error messages.


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From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: Interleaf and X-windows
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:16:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: draco.1992Nov12.211602.10825
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.

In article <1301@shrike.com> aihaug@austin.lockheed.com (Daniel A Haug) writes:
>
>I've used both Interleaf and FrameMaker steadily for the past five years.
>I like them both (each has its own +'s and -'s).  One thing I dislike
>about ileaf is the single X-window desktop view of things.  I'd like
>to be able to open documents as individual top-level windows (with
>window manager borders, etc.).  Does Interleaf have any plans to
>eventually support this?

Yes.  Soon.  At least for OpenWindows on Suns, they do.
I saw it running a year ago.  It hasn't been released yet.
It's called "interleaf 5 for OpenLook" or something like that.

Interleaf is making a committment to creating an application that
has the look and feel of the host environment.  This is A GOOD THING,
but they lag behind the new releases.  You can really tell that
Ileaf 5.3 *still* has a SunView-like feel, even though SunView has
been all but dead for a long time.  This is also the reason that
Ileaf 5 for the Mac is taking so long to release -- they want it to
be a perfect, Mac-like app.

HEY INTERLEAF- Could somebody provide the latest and greatest release
schedule status/plans ?  If you can't post it here, email me, and
I'll post it for you, sworn to secrecy.

-- 
Todd Williams    UNIX Systems Coordinator     todd@macsch.com    (213) 259-4973
MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"),  815 Colorado Blvd.,  Los Angeles, CA   90041
"The Democrats stand for nothing except 'I wish I was a Republican' and the
Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered
in balloons and ribbons."  -Frank Zappa, 1991  (Zappa for president!)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Subject: Re: Printing Problem
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:56:11 GMT

Almost a month ago(!), Tom van Nes <thomas.vannes@alcatel.ch> posted:
> Printing from Interleaf was not a major Problem. But now it is because
> a new output filter was installed on our printserver. This filter is
> definitely better than the old one, but it is also too clever.
> Interleaf creates 2 files which are placed in the spool directory of
> the printserver. Example:
>   cfA026rlab
>   dfA026rlab
> The control file and the file (postscript) itself.
> The control file contains a line which was ignored by the old filter,
> while the new filter says it is an offending command. The line:
>   S1823 70839l
> If I remove the line and place the 2 files in the
> spool directory, the document gets printed! Or if
> 
> How can I get rid of the line?

You don't.

>   or
> 2. How do I filter the line?

You don't.

>   or
> 3. What do I do?

Get a new filter; yours is *broken*.
There is an RFC about the LPD system....I think it's RFC 1179.
I saw it the other day, and noticed that the above "S" line
conforms to the spec.
-- 
Todd Williams    UNIX Systems Coordinator     todd@macsch.com    (213) 259-4973
MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"),  815 Colorado Blvd.,  Los Angeles, CA   90041
"The Democrats stand for nothing except 'I wish I was a Republican' and the
Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered
in balloons and ribbons."  -Frank Zappa, 1991  (Zappa for president!)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: jmo@cray.com (Jim M. Ostrom,,,,universe(ucb))
Subject: Interleaf Lisp question
Reply-To: jmo@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:09:41 CST

I am new to Interleaf Lisp.  I am trying to write a simple
script to automate TOC generation.  After we create a TOC
we still clean it up and reformat some things to suit our
style.

To start with I want to cut the TOC generated documents
toc, figure_list, and table_list, to the clipboard, and
paste them in a container named Frontmatter.boo in the
current container.  Right after you do a Book -> TOC, I would
like to implement my script (with the documents in animation state).

Here is all the farther I have gotten.

(setq book (dt-pointer-container))
(dt-stop-moving)
(setq docs (dt-children book :selected))
(tell *dt-clipboard* mid:insert docs)

Right here is where I get and error message:

Wrong argument type: (#dt-obj 0xdf5e40..... mid:insert=>dt-generic-class>

Any suggestions??

Jim Ostrom
Engineering Writer
Cray Research



Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Subject: man 5 printers.lsp
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:36:04 GMT

Maybe I'm asking too much.
Maybe I'm an old-timer who looks fondly upon the "good ol' days" when
there was no such thing as a "3rd party" UNIX application program --
the only programs we had were the ones that came with the system, and
the ones we wrote ourselves.  Later, we got more off the net.

Back in those days, the manuals were small, and the man pages were all
online.  I think it would be nice if application programs like ileaf
gave us man pages, just like all the other programs we get off the net,
etc.  If somebody didn't know enough to type 'tps4.0' when they wanted
to run v4 Interleaf, they could just type 'man -k leaf', and they'd
get a short man page explaining what ileaf is, and how to start it.

Of course, what *I* really want is a section 5 man page for the
printers.lsp file.

Let's look at an entry from printers.lsp:
(
	:netname "EPSF"
	;%% :netname EPSF
	:menuname "<EPSF>"
	;%% :menuname <EPSF>
	:filt-args ("-rm" "0" "-r" "1270" "-EPS")
	;%% :filt-args (-rm 0 -r 1270 -EPS)
	:eps "y"
	;%% :eps y
	:filter-loc "desktop"
	;%% :filter-loc desktop
	:pdltag "eps"
	;%% :pdltag eps
	:spool "n"
	;%% :spool n
	:filter "pl2ps"
	;%% :filter pl2ps
	:type "ps"
	;%% :type ps
	:model "EPS File"
	;%% :model EPS File
	:id :all-eps-file
	;%% :id :all-eps-file
	)

The first obvious question is: Why is every line followed by a comment
line which says the exact same thing?

Other questions include: What other lines could be included or omitted?
Which are required?  What are the choices for the 'filter-loc' variable?

How about the scarier ones, like:  If I change the 'model' variable,
what will be affected?

I know some of the answers to the above questions, or I can at least
make a guess--that's not my point.  Interactive programs like
printer_install are fine for small sites and/or casual users/admins.
But these techniques are not scalable to large sites.  (This is not
a problem with Interleaf alone -- many other vendors are worse)

At least Frame admits that their installation scripts may not be
appropriate for all sites, and then provides info necessary for
customizing your own procedures.  It would be nice if Interleaf
provides these "hackers' notes", too.  At the very least, we need
hints like "you may copy your v5.2 printers.lsp file directly into
v5.3".

-- 
Todd Williams    UNIX Systems Coordinator     todd@macsch.com    (213) 259-4973
MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"),  815 Colorado Blvd.,  Los Angeles, CA   90041
"The Democrats stand for nothing except 'I wish I was a Republican' and the
Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered
in balloons and ribbons."  -Frank Zappa, 1991  (Zappa for president!)
From: Monty@vnet.ibm.com (Bryan Montgomery)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:32:10 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Ghostscript documentation for idiots !!
Reply-To: Monty@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Havant UK
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

There was a thread here a little while ago about Ghostscrpit and getting
a GIF/TIFF output from a postscript file. I have a copy of the
ghostscript package for 386 PCs and can run it producing a copy of the
page from Interleaf on the screen.

However, when I specify GIF8 as the device and a file name, all seems to
go well until I quit GS. A file which starts GIF87A then graphics chars
is sent to the printer.I've tried finding the answer in the supplied
documentation, but to no avail. Can I redirect the output from the
MS-DOS default of the printer to a file? Could some kind soul help, or
point me towards some other documentation that is available?

Thanx,
         Bryan.
From: djg@phoenix.genrad.com (Deborah J. Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: HELP: Graphic Box Problem
Date: 9 Nov 1992 08:21:55 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: phoenix.genrad.com

In article <1992Nov9.055307.3754@ncsu.edu> sbdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (SHELDON BRANT DAVIS) writes:
>
>    I have been having a problem with diagonal lines mysteriously appearing 
>within boxes.  They do not appear when the box is created.  They show up only
>when I try to fill the box and when I print.  
>    I do know how to fix the problem.  I subedit the box and group the whole
>thing again.  But since it is not a perpetual problem it is becoming a very 
>irritating surprise when I print out.      
>    It does not happen all the time and I cannot see any pattern to the
>occurences.   
>    Any help in prventing this problem will be greatly appreciated.

I quote from the GR Interleaf Newsletter, August, 1992 (Volume 3,
Number 3):

Question: When I create a box, it looks okay on the screen, but prints
          with a diagional line. If I fill the box, only half of it
          fills. What is wrong?

Answer: When you use the Zoom factor (View is different than x1), you
        are not suppose to create objects in a frame.

        To correct this problem, just select the object, select
        Edit->Content (and confirm) then close without doing any
        editing. The object is now completely filled and the diagonal
        line disappears.


deb, editor of the GR Interleaf Newsletter
(djg@genrad.com)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
Subject: Re: Interleaf and X-windows
Reply-To: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:39:28 GMT

In article 1301@shrike.com, aihaug@austin.lockheed.com (Daniel A Haug) writes:
>
>I've used both Interleaf and FrameMaker steadily for the past five years.
>I like them both (each has its own +'s and -'s).  One thing I dislike
>about ileaf is the single X-window desktop view of things.  I'd like
>to be able to open documents as individual top-level windows (with
>window manager borders, etc.).  Does Interleaf have any plans to
>eventually support this?  Just curious...
>
>dan haug
>-- 
>Internet: haug@austin.lockheed.com
>UUCP:     ut-emx!lad-shrike!aihaug
>Phone:    (512) 386-4634


I think what you mean is sthg. like "open-look" Interleaf. I have
heard that there is already an alpha or beta release of such a version.
I tried to find out by posting an article in this group, but I got
no answer until today. So if there are any Interleaf-People on the
net, please answer; I think there are many readers interested in
this question.

Michael


#
# Dipl.-Ing. Michael Wollborn (Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter)
# Institut fr Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik und Informationsverarbeitung
# Universitt Hannover, Appelstrae 9A, D-3000 Hannover 1
#
# phone +49-511-762-5312 / fax +49-511-762-5333
# email wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
#
# disclaimer: all opinions expressed above are strictly private
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Newsgroups: comp.text
From: wing@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (**Raymond Chan**)
Subject: Help--any postscript to ascii(or printable form..)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:33:08 GMT

	I have no knowledge about text formats or what so ever. If the
following question is a stupid one, please excuse me!

The question is: 
	Is there a method or program which can convert postscript (or dvi)
format to ascii( or ordinary printer printable format)?

	Thanks for any advice.

	Please reply by e-mail (wing@dcs.warwick.ac.uk)
       	If someone else is interested, I can post/mail the answer.

Raymond
7-11-92
-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Deptartment of Computer Science, University of Warwick,
Coventry, CV4 7AL.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: Import PostScript file to Groff Document
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <5836@osc.COM> yms@osc.osc.com (Yuh-Ming Shyy) writes:
<Hi, I have been trying to import a PostScript file into a 
<groff document using the "\X'ps: file <file>'" command or 
<"\X'ps: exec <file>'" command but have not succeeded. It 
<either printed out as a blank block or does not have any 
<effect. Is there any one who knows how to do this? Thanks 
<a lot. 

I have been doing it for quite a while now.  Lots of examples are available
in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Program Guide.  The troff sources are
available at ftp.coe.montana.edu.  Start with the sttng.hdr file.  Because
I have to place the imported PostScript where I want it, I can't use the
PostScript inclusion that is available with groff, since it places it
centered on the page, under the current line.  So, I do things a little
different, using the ps: exec capabilites of groff.

Check it out.
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                                   brown@wi.extrel.com
From: dirk@cse.ucsc.edu (Dirk Coldewey)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: psfig with dwb 3.x/groff
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:04:56 GMT
Organization: UC Santa Cruz, CIS/CE
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dirk@cse.ucsc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: kimosabi.ucsc.edu
Keywords: psfig, dwb, groff

I retrieved the most recent version of the troff version of psfig from the
net, and have had little success using it with our local installation of
AT&T DWB (troff, eqn, dpost), and groff is not a happy camper either.
Has anyone had any luck with psfig and either groff or troff > DWB3.0?
Does anyone know where the canonical source for psfig-troff is kept?
There are no version numbers or patchlevels in the source I have, so it
is hard to tell how old this thing is (The main.c says '86).
The patches for psdit.c and psdit.pro had to be partially applied by hand,
indicating that things are a bit out of sync.

Also, in attempting to use it with the Sun distributed troff & friends,
the sample document seems to be missing oodles of paper.ps.[1-12], and
the "tst" directory advertised in the README file is also absent.

An email response would be greatly appreciated.

					Thanks!

					dirk@cse.ucsc.edu
From: DRMACRO@RALVM13.VNET.IBM.COM (Dr. "EliotKimber" Macro)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:43:10 EST
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: 3-D Pathloc

I must have been adled from my very exciting and sleepless week at
SGML '92, because in the cold light of day, this doesn't make a bit of
sense.  In trying to further explain my idea I realized I didn't have
a rational algorithm for placing "Z direction" nodes and that there
wasn't one.  I made an invalid analogy by thinking that a tree exists
in a real space, which it doesn't.  So it goes.

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0
X-X-From: drmacro@ralvm13.vnet.ibm.com

Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: Is there HyTime doc on line ?
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:18:58 GMT

The text of ISO 10744:1992 (HyTime) was published by ISO in Geneva on 1
November 1992 (paper only). ISO holds the copyright on the text
(whatever form). The document was transmitted from the editor, Dr.
Charles Goldfarb, to ISO as an SGML file, but ISO has no policy on
electronic publication of ISO standards (some national standards bodies
are opposed to electronic publication because both they and ISO support
themselves in part through the sale of printed documents). There is
nothing that prevents an individual from scanning the printed text and
coding the result in whatever way is needed for personal use, but that 
text cannot be redistributed without a license/royalty arrangement with
ISO and the appropriate national standards body.

James D. Mason
Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG8
masonjd@ornl.gov