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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:11:38 GMT

lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:
>hobbit@ac.dal.ca writes:

>>What I'm curious about, is how do you folks pronounce 'GNU'?  
>>'Nu' is proper (for the animal, anyway) but i've never heard anything 
>>but 'ge-nu' used for the software.

>From the introduction to the GNU Emacs Manual, Sixth Edition, Version
>18, March 1987, by RMS himself:

>	You are about to read about GNU Emacs, the GNU incarnation
>	of the advanced, self-documentin, customizable, extensible
>	real-time display editor Emacs. (The `G' in `GNU' is not silent.)
>					 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So is it ga-new, gun-ooh, gee-new, or gee-en-you? :-)

>| ...!unido!ukw!lupe  (German EUNet, "bang")     |  Disclaimer:            |
>| lupe@ukw.UUCP       (German EUNet, domain)     |  As I am self-employed, |
>| suninfo!alanya!lupe (Sun Germany)              |  this *is* the opinion  |

"No gnews is good gnews with Gary Gnu."

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.013916.8540@disk.uucp> tony@disk.uucp (tony) writes:
>No point in arguing about this anymore.  What is "proper" is majority rule.
>I've been BBSing since June 1985 and everyone I know who runs a BBS refers
>to themselves or other "system operators" as SIS-OPS.  Just because someone
>writes an article in the New York Times doesn't give them anymore credibility
>than Joe Blow in the apartment adjoining mine.  Most of what is printed in
>newspapers and magazines about BBSing (and sharware too, for that matter) is
>deficient in one way or another.  Much of what we read (if we don't read it
>online) is also quite dated.
>	One of my favorite peeves is that PC Magazine didn't do a review of
>Phil Katz' PKZIP program until relatively recently and they gave me the im-
>pression that they thought it was a new program -- they don't review other
>programs that are over five years old; my point is that programs BBSers have
>taken for granted for YEARS are treated as "new hat" when they "suddenly"
>get "DISCOVERED" by old-time pc users who are brand new to BBSing.  It totally
>irks me that they want to give other old-time pc users who do not BBS the 
>impression that such-and-such program would never have been "DISCOVERED" if
>if weren't for them.

For years, as certain machines come and go as fads, there are always self-
appointed tin gods who get into various rags.  I could name names, but
I'm sure most of us can provide a few "favorites".  (SG, JP, etc.)

cjl
From: dpenner@ee.ualberta.ca (Darren E. Penner )
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Windows and FOSSIL Drivers. Need HELP!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:46:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

Well, I must admit I don't know a lot about this Fossil thangs but the way to
solve your device contention issue is to Run the control panel, select the 
386 enhanced icon and then tell it to "Never Warn" on device contentions
Then when you fossil thang takes over you won't even get a peep out of 
windows.

PS: DON'T Listen to the fools knocking Win3.1 over desqview, they 
obviously can't handle even the MILD learning curve needed to make windows 
work for them..... But they WILL learn that ANY GUI interface will beat
desqview when they find ALL of their warez are no longer supported.



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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: Netters, Please! Watch expletives here
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:23:50 GMT

lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu writes:

>Netters,  please!  COMP.BBS.MISC is *NOT* the place to let your language
>run loose!  Most of us seem to have a sense of decency for some of our
>fellow users, but a few don't really care. For those that don't care, please
>do the rest of us a favor and carry your filthy language to alt.filth.nothing.
>and let us discuss *intelligent* stuff here.
>
>Thanks.

BELGIUM!

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for
| |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even 
 \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.
     \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.
       `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."
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From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.lists.d
Subject: Re: Docs for BBs
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:18:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bs3twG.3u5@acsu.buffalo.edu> visbieda@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Bieda) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.022223.17843@athena.mit.edu>, samaa@athena.mit.edu (Wissam Y Ali-Ahmad) writes...
>>   Does anyone of you out there know where I can find documentations
>> about how to open your own BBS ?  (Books, FTPs,etc.)
>Wissam, there's a pretty good book from Bantam called, "The Complete Electronic
>Bulletin Board System Starter Kit," which contains a copy of RBBS-PC 15.1 on
>...

More!  More!

I've been meaning to ask this question for a while.  I'm thinking of setting
up a very limited Usenet machine.  I want the cheapest, most convenient method
possible.  The point is NOT the joy of running a BBS, or of running a busy
one.  The point is to bring access to some of the political groups to my
area code.  I want to have 2-4 lines and care about little but convenience
(for me) and Usenet support.  One or two good books that would bring me up
to speed and that fit my focus well would be a godsend.

Thanks in advance for any other suggestions.

  Thanks awfully,
            Patrick
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: swalter@nyx.cs.du.edu (DreamWeaver)
Subject: Re: Any Good Programmers for BBSes/Doors?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 11:20:44 GMT


Count me in, Myles.  I've been doing contract C programming for retail
stuff for the past 5 years ... and I'm just getting to BBSing from the
sysop side to provide maintenance for my software.  I'd like to learn more
about extending BBS system (Doors, etc.) ... this could be a good way to
learn.

-Scott J. Walter
 MinnTelligence
From: muoto@nunki.usc.edu ("Olivetti")
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Looking for MIDI BBS in LA Area
Date: 24 Jul 1992 20:48:58 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu
Keywords: MIDI, BBS, LA

Hi:
I'm woundering if anyone out there knows of any BBS in the Los Angeles
Area (213, 310, 714 or 818 Area Codes) that cater to MIDI users.
If so please e-mail.

Thanks in advance

(muoto@usc.edu)


Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:35:57 GMT

On the other hand...

The NYT also has the only writer that seems to know what he is talking
about in the worlds that we travel in.

Do you think the fact that John Markoff has a NetNews account has
anything to do with that? (I don't - but only because he seemed to
getting the facts straight before he had Netaccess...)
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From: ap429@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerome Grimmer)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Problems running boards with controversial stuff?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:18:31 GMT
Reply-To: ap429@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerome Grimmer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, cslewis@vesta.unm.edu () says:

>I will soon be starting a BBS and have some questions for sysops
>who operate BBS's which deal with controversial things (hacker
>stuff, adult material, far-out politics...)
>
>Have you encountered any legal harassment?  Or have the feds mellowed
>out and learned something since Operation Sun Devil?

no legal harassment yet.

>
>Have you encountered any anger/harassment from narrow minded people
>who can't accept that other people believe different things?  Any
>threatening letters?  Damage to your system...?

my users understand that flames in public areas are not tolerated and will be
summarily deleted by me, the SysOp.  If a user has a complaint about another 
user flaming him/her in private E-mail, the user receiving the flames should
leave me e-mail and I will begin doing //MAILR commands (I run WWIV 4.21, 
//MAILR reads all mail on the system.  I only do this if I have received a 
complaint from a user about another user.

>
>What has the experience been like overall?  Difficult...?

the experience has not been difficult, my users understand that they are to
keep an open mind, they also know that I do not tolerate personal attacks on
another user in public areas.

>
>I look forward to hearing from others who have dealt with these issues.
>Post replies, or send e-mail.
>

Sorry, I didn't know where to clip the above...

Jerome Grimmer
SysOp of Starship Enterprise BBS, +1 618 549-5351
-- 
"I'm the Sage!  I know *everything*!//Like, okay.  How, like, does BitNet oper-
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they designed it.  If it wasn't for m00sey intervention it wouldn't work at all
From "Rad" ep. 58 by Swede@Drycas.Bitnet. Email ap429@po.cwru.edu 4 more info.
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From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:03:03 GMT

leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>For what it is worth, The *format* is owned by Compuserve. They just
>let folks use it freely. And the standards document says it is pronounced
>"jif"...

Oh yeah, well f*ck what CI$ says. So there! :)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: wilson@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Banff Sterling)
Subject: Help with RBBS 17.4 - Netware support?
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.lists
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:13:19 GMT

Is anyone out there running RBBS in a Novell Networked environment?  If so, 
could you tell me how to set up RBBS under novell for a multi-user 
workstation configuration - if this is at all possible.

With many thanks,

Keith
wilson@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Searchlight comments
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:00:54 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology


              What Sysops Are Saying About Searchlight 2.25
                 (Actual quotes from version 2.25 users)


Once I made the switch, there was NO way I was going back. Searchlight 2.15
had MANY needed enhancements, and 2.25 is EVEN BETTER! Frank really did a
great job with the new version. The Menu Editor is POWERFUL stuff.

  Rick Rosinski, Midland, MI


Frank REALLY outdid himself on this one. 2.25 is still a dream to set up
(can be done in 15 minutes) and is HIGHLY configurable. Kudos go to our
fearless leader for giving Wildcat! 3.0 something to chew on (and hopefully
choke!)

  Chris Brown, Clinton, MS


Well, I just got the new version set up using the defaults, and from here,
I LOVE IT. Haven't had the chance to work the menu editor yet, as am going
to poll the users as to what they would like to see, but from the docs, it
looks just like what I have hollered that we needed.

  Frank Cooke, Sallisaw, OK


I've got the new version up and running and I'm very pleased. I thought
that 2.15 was good, but this one is just so much more flexible. I am more
than satisfied.

  Douglas Park, Biloxi, MS


I'd just like to take the time to comment that Frank LaRosa outdid himself
again! This new version is fantastic. I've been using it for about 3 weeks
now under beta test... I recommend that if you don't have it, get it, it's
great. And for all Wildcat sysops, look out-- Searchlight is gonna take
over SOON! So you better make the switch while you can!

  John Treanor, West Palm Beach, FL


Frank, I would like to commend you on the greatest version of SLBBS yet!
Totally awesome! Folks, it's worth the mere $30 upgrade fee!

  Chris Herold, Riverside, CA


You have really outdone yourself with SLBBS 2.25. It is, IMHO, the perfect
BBS or pretty darned close to it. It does everything I want it to do,
combines the easiness SLBBS is famous for with the total flexibility I
want; gives me almost all the options and features I as a sysop have ever
wanted, and has the BEST menu editor I have encountered yet. Congrats on a
job well done and thanks for making all my Sysop dreams come true.

  Marge Robbins, Cedar Rapids, IA


Searchlight 2.25 is a major surprise! Even after Frank mentioned the
features it would have, I would have NEVER guessed at its actual POWER
until I witnessed it for myself. Other sysops had called me voice and told
me it was UNBELIEVABLE, but until I had it myself it really didn't faze me
much.

  Timothy Otty, Virginia Beach, VA


Keep up the good work, SLBBS 2.15 was just great, but 2.25 is something so
good I can't say in english! The closer you look at SL, the better it looks!

  Aki Talvitie, Espoo, Finland

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: Searchlight
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:10:38 GMT

All Ill say at this point is, I hope that anyone contemplating buying SL
will think twice after reading my posts, rather than listening to the
brainwash raves its advocates have been making.  There are 2 sides to the
story.  I will mention in passing that the majority of other SL sysops I
know would not buy it again.  Are we all wrong?  Maybe....I simply suggest,
let the buyer beware.

Also, rest assured that if the subject of SL comes up again in this group
in the future, Ill be posting again, for the benefit ot those who missed
this thread.  My goal is not to be "right", it is to warn potential buyers
of SL what a lousy, underpowered, and overprices piece of crap it is.
If Frank doesnt like it, tell him to give me my money back, and I will
forget SL exists and never make another comment about it.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing GNU (was Re: New York Times article on BBS's)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:03:53 GMT

In <Bs0oI2.6t1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In article <1hFXx0#7vwXbd0QlKOv2lrf5S6bkC9X=esr@snark.thyrsus.com> esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
>>
>>The correct pronunciation (as heard from RMS's own lips) is monosyllabic,
>>but with a pronounced hard G; much as if one said "eggnog" withot the
>>initial /e/.

>And without the "og"!

And with the "u"!

Had to do it, had to do it.

                  Later,
                    Steven Ourada

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN RICHARD JOHNS)
Subject: Re: Searchlight (Bidirectional Flame)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:34:07 GMT

Just to add this to the discussion, there are nearly 100 BBSes in Raleigh.

*ONE* runs Searchlight.

Now, granted, perhaps 10-15% of those BBSes aren't run on IBM-PC's, but
that's still a pretty big ratio, I think, of non-SL to SL boards.

Apparently, the folx around here like other BBS software better; mainly,
TAG wins, followed closely by WWIV, in popularity.  Following that seems
to be OPUS, then PCBoard, then QBBS.  Two boards run Waffle.

I'm personally the proud registered owner of a copy of WWIV, for which you
get access to source upon registering - only $50 to register - and there is
no upgrade costs for release numbers with the same main release number
(i.e., 4.00, up to 4.99).  TAG seems to win over WWIV now alot because of
it's Threading capability, menu configuration flexibility, and multi-node
support.  People who like to just slap the BBS up and run it run TAG.  WWIV,
on the other hand, is run by people who like to tinker with their system...
people get it, regster it, get the source, and go hog wild in C...

- John

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From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Searchlight (and other BBS reviews)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:03:11 EDT
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

If you have a review (either good or bad) about a BBS package for non-*NIX 
platforms (esp. IBM and Mac), I'd appreciate it if you would mail a copy to 
bbs-review@pinetree.org.  I'm maintaining a BBS Software FAQ type document 
and I'm looking for new material.

Submissions will be acknowledged periodically, when I check the account.

Thanks!

  --G

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From: weisss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Stefan Weiss)
Subject: WANTED: BBS-Soft supporting dBase Databases
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:54:57 GMT

I'm looking for a  BBS-Software for an online database.
This database should be supervised with either the BBS-Soft or
with dBase IV (which I would prefer since I know the dBase
programming language well.) This software should be shareware
or something similar. I don't have much money to spend (who 
actually has?).

Thanks in advance.

Stefan


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From: nuffy@intelhf.hf.intel.com (John Hagler)
Subject: No Toll Numbers?
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:13:20 GMT

I recently saw an ad in a computer mag. for a BBS that had what I
Think was an (818) area code. It said that thier were no long distance charges
for calling. This is new to me. Is their a specific arewa code that is a no toll call? I may be incorrect about the BBS's area code but I think it was some
thing lioke that. (No it wasn't a 1-800 number)
Thanks E-mail or post. Thanks again.
Nuffy@hfglobe.intel.com
From: keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Searchlight (Bidirectional Flame)
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:51:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: klic.1992Jul26.195127.24773
Organization: Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits

I started reading this group about a week ago, gathering information to 
select BBS software for a friend's organization.  I started reading the
"Searchlight" thread, and learned the following four important facts:

1) Many people love Searchlight.
2) Many people hate Searchlight.
3) It's not okay to punch DD disks to make HD disks.
4) It is so.

Okay, granted that many of the subscribers to this group are 12 year olds who 
don't know any better - and who will probably react to this posting by
cracking my system (don't bother, an 8 year old could do it) - nonetheless,
I would ask the older folks to step in with some data about this (or any
other) BBS software.  What specific features are unique?  What will it do?
What important features is the software missing?  Does the author or company
answer the phone, and speak a recognizable language?  Which language?  Are
there regular upgrades?  What problems have there been with past upgrades?
Can the program share data or setup files with anything else?  And so on;
functional, comparative questions.  Statements like "it stinks" or "it is
a blessing from God" are useless.  Testimonials are useless.  "It is better
than" is a description of you, and not of the rest of the world.

Just Give Me The Facts.  Leave the opinions in their respective orifices.





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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: peckd@lonexc.rl.af.mil (Daniel P. Peck)
Subject: Re: BBS Software Review (SEarchlight omitted!)
Organization: RL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:13:11 GMT

*I* have used, and DO use SearchLight BBS.  And, I can tell you that I think
you should RTFM before you speak!  Actually, I didn't even HAVE to read
the docs to understand SearchLight!  If you can't understand it, that's your
problem, but I don't see why you couldn't.  In my opinion, SearchLight BBS
is the EASIEST BBS to use and understand!  No, don't go back to sleep - WAKE
UP!


Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: peckd@lonexc.rl.af.mil (Daniel P. Peck)
Subject: Re: Searchlight sucks
Organization: RL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:47:35 GMT

>But you see, Frank is notorious for ignoring users' / sysops' requests for
>enhancements.  He adds to it what HE wants.  Even on the software's
>"mother" board, youre lucky if you can even get an answer out of him.

I wouldn't say that's quite true.  Perhaps you're just not patient.  You've
got to figure, this guy's got a LOT to do!   What do you expect?  An IMMEDIATE
answer???  Let's see, you want him to program all the new enhancements YOU
want, reply to yours and everyone elses comments (which I'm sure measure
in the hundreds, if not thousands).  Sometimes people make comments on the
same subject, so... he publishes/writes something about that, rather than
replying to each and every user who asks about it.  He's not superman - are
you?  He's done fine, as far as I'm concerned.  

-- Dan


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