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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:43:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>In article <s075198.718292946@cunews> s075198@mercury.carleton.ca (Jun Liu)  
>writes:
>> In <97589@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>> 
>> >Thank Mr. Lin for his promise. Here is the mailing address
>> >for donation to school kids in rural China:
>> 
>> >Ms. Jie Kang
>> >2610 E. 5 pl, Apt.1,
>> >TULSA, OK 74104
>> 
>> >Please make your check payable to:
>> 
>> >China SOS Education Fund
>> 
>> Applaud for your efforts!
>> 
>> However, have we thought of the following facts: in 1991, when
>> all major millitary powers were enjoying the peace dividend, the 
>> Chinses millitary expenses increased more than 12% and education
>> and research increased less than 5%? University enrollment was 
>> kept unchanged! You may say I am cynical, but with a good reason.

>In fact, some so-called patriots only care about China's military power. I  
>guess only the military power makes them feel good about China. In my opinion,  
>the current CG has nothing but a strong army, just like a big, strong, stupid  
>and penniless man.

>Carl

Please don't block your eyesight just by one fat leaf.

- Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s075198@ceres.carleton.ca (Jun Liu)
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:33:29 GMT

In <1992Oct5.104715.18065@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>>>Please make your check payable to:

>>>China SOS Education Fund

>>Applaud for your efforts!

>>However, have we thought of the following facts: in 1991, when
>>all major millitary powers were enjoying the peace dividend, the 
>>Chinses millitary expenses increased more than 12% and education
>>and research increased less than 5%? University enrollment was 
>>kept unchanged! You may say I am cynical, but with a good reason.

>Sounds like: a child fell into a river from a bridge, a man bravely jumped
>into the river to save the child, a man stood by blaming who is responsible
>for the poor bridge. And I don't know how to swim if you are going to blame
>me.

You may guard the bridg and try to save every falling child or you may
push somebody get the bridge fixed. The latter solution seems more logic
and permenant. 

I agree that you can't do anything to change the budget, neither can I.
Nevertheless, we can also launch a campaign, alongside of the donation
campaign, to demand the government to pay more attention to the meager
situation of the eduation. It seems to me is, if not more, as important 
as the donation campaign.
Regards

Jun Liu @ Ottawa
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26921 talk.politics.china:1635
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:37:26 GMT
Organization: New York University

129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:


>> >>>>
>> >>>>Yes, I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all Chinese student.
>> >>> 
>> >>>     I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.
>> >>> 
>> >>	I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover ALL WORLD PEOPLE.
>> >>
>> >
>> >        You know what these guys mean?  How about this:
>> >
>> 
>> Since I believe in you, I would like to say that the following was
>> from the bottom of your heart.
>> 
>> >        I still hate the bill, unless this bill can only cover ME.
>>                                                                 ^^
>>                                  More precisely, it should be *MY faimily*.


>No!!  you miss my point.  I support this bill strongly.  From the bottom of
>my heart I really want this bill can extend to everybody who want to live
>this country.  I believe "where to live" is also a basic human right. 
>People should have the right to chose where they want to live and that is
>the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
>find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
>xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
>like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
>I support this bill "from the bottom of my heart."  O.K.  The only thing I
>do not like in this bill is the tilte, if it could be changed to "Free
>Immigation Bill" that will be much better.  Don't you think
>so?

Yes, in fact after I read a few lines of your post, the
ideal of "Free Immigration Treaty" comes to my mind. From
the view of basic human right, that is a very natural thing.

This will also solve Taiwan Independence, Tibet Independence problem,
most important, people live in the third world will get much better 
(though, far from equal) opportunity to persuade good lifes, it will
be a revolution in human rights development.

Ze Yang
From: wtuntaw@lark.utah.edu (Wisanu Truntawiroon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Received Any E-mail Replies from China?
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:29:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Utah

Hi Everybody.

	A while ago, I think about 6 to 8 months ago. I saw a post about Thai economic anaul report. But unfortunately I didn't save it. 




Wisanu Tuntawiroon (wtuntaw@mines.utah.edu )

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: BASIC DECENCY
Organization: MITRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:13:34 GMT


 
> Dear Later comers (later than April 11, 1990):
> 
> Please rush faxing this letter to the White House at 202-456-2461, or call
> 202-456-1111 to voice your OPPOSITION to the bill S1216.  Your inexperience and
> immaturity with American politics are being taken advantage of by the
> blood-carders.
> ===============================================================================
> 
> October 2, 1992
> 
> To: President George Bush
> Re: Bill S1216
> 
> Please veto this bill.  It is damaging the interests, equal rights, and equal
> opportunities of Chinese nationals who arrived in this country after April 11,
> 1990.
> 
This reminds me of an ancient Chinese story - using two peaches to kill
three persons.  Another story is that throw one bone and watch two dogs
fight.  Funny?  Interesting?  or just a sad story?  I really don't
know.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Need info on Manchurian history
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:31:16 GMT

In article <Bvpuss.MLB@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>Sorry about wasting bandwidth like this, but I'm trying to do some
>research on my own ancestry :-) :-) Anybody with any information on
>the origin of Manchurians/Northern Chinese would be greatly appreciated!!

Go to the libary and read some history books about Korea(and China, if not
satisfied.)
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:22:37 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct3.131139.11561@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
>REALLY AMERICANIZED.
>YOU WILL CERTAINLY PASS THE TEST TO BE A US CITIZEN.
>PEOPLE WILL FORGIVE WHAT YOU DID HERE FOR A CHINESE, 
>ACTUALLY ANOTHER US CITIZEN TO BE. MAY ALL YOUR RELATIVES 
>AND FRIENDS BE US CITIZENS.
>AMEN.

Really, I thought it was very difficult to pass exam to become
a US citizen. I thought it would be as hard as to join PLA when
I was 18. I almost gave up. Thank you for your encouragement :-).

You assumption is that all Chinese should be on the Iraqi side.
Since I am an exception, therefore I am not a Chinese. How about
American in Vietnam war? If an American was against the war, he
should not be considered as American?

Such blind uniformity with government is dangerous. Let's look back
at Sino-Vietnam war. Have you seen any sense of that war in which
about 40,000 Chinese soldiers died in one month? I feel sorry for
so many buried in the grave.

At least there is an America here, else no body would do anything
about Iraq for its invasion. By the way, I think American is
better than any powerful country in the history. Look, when they
were unwelcome in Subic Bay, they withdrew from it. Even for Iraq,
they didn't invade its capital. Japan and Germany certainly didn't
do in this way. I don't know about China. But if one day China
become strong and do same thing like Japan and Germany did, I
would not be on the "Chinese side".

Blind patriotism will cause you loss sense of justice. Be objective.
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:42:27 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <lcs7h6INNboo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>(deleted)
>>>Be aware of salted vegetables (canned) from Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, when
>>
>>Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, wrong. Water+Standing+Mouth is not earth+standing+mouth.
>>You should say Fu-ling of Sichuan.
>>
>Thanks for lecture. That is the problem, CCP simplified the writing and used
>a lot of wrong words.

Lecture #2: that character was not a simplified one. It is more important
to get educated than simply blaming KMT or CCP. That is why we need SOS
China Education Fund.

>
>>Please donate a few bucks to SOS China Education Fund. Thank you.
>>
>Sure, will do.

Thanks. The poor young kid in rural area will no longer eat ZaCai only,
he may have now eggs and pork to eat and study well.  He(or she, sorry) and
his (her) family will appreciate your effort. Thanks a lot. A few $$$ do not
matter much to us, but can change the life of a younf kid in such area. You
will not regret when you later know he(she) gets a PhD.

Where is Tuya? I'll match one of the donation from you two. Sanyee
volunteered also, but I was told the tax in Canada is high.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.232232.5992@fcom.cc.utah.edu> rgong@bingham.utah.edu (Ruoming Gong) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.010952.1@gsbacd.uchicago.edu> phd_d8@gsbacd.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.012336.2587@news.iastate.edu>, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>> In article <1992Oct1.181651.27728@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Yes, I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all Chinese student.
>>> 
>>>     I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.
>>> 
>>	I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover ALL WORLD PEOPLE.
>>
>
>        You know what these guys mean?  How about this:
>

Since I believe in you, I would like to say that the following was
from the bottom of your heart.

>        I still hate the bill, unless this bill can only cover ME.
                                                                ^^
                                 More precisely, it should be *MY faimily*.

         This SMALL change can show that you have a big heart.

              (You are a Xaio4 Nyu3, aren't you?.)

>
>Never mind, i am just kidding. Seriously, i support the bill.

A joke too, take it easy.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:45:14 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Oct1.223934.24261@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:

|> > That was history. That was the environment in which China was standing up.
|> > China then had atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, satellites etc all by 
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Say NO to bombs.
Honestly, I find it scary that there is still people gauge the strength
of a country by (mass-destruction) military power.

|> > herself--developing technologies nearly without external help,
accumulating
|> > money primarily in the internal markets and meanwhile, producing food
|> > so that the huge population had something to eat.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And chinese people can only thank CCP for spending all the time learning
the little red book instead of doing their real job, that really helped
produce massive volume of food.

And BTW, whose fault was that of the huge population?

|> > Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong 
|> > country, an independent country.
|> > 
|> > 
|> > Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected
because China
|> > has stood up.
|> > 
|> > 
|> > Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
|> > than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.
|> 
|> 
|> Sound so familar. The above article reminds me of the "CCP History"
class I had  
|> many years ago. Kind of funny.

I am not sure how to interpret it.
It seems sarcasm to me but then again it looks like he really meant it.
I guess you are right too, it is kind of funny.

|> 
|> Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:08:53 GMT

In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

|> My prediction to China in next 50 years is that China will be in chaos
|> after Deng Xiaoping's death. The chaos was be caused by people's feeling
|> on Tiananmen Massacre and isolation of the world. Two possible outcomes:
|> one, communist party will be dead, China will join the world community;
|> two, China will be in civil war in which thousands of thousands of people
|> will die.
|> 
|> China has its tradition of resisting changes of the world. The whole world
|> has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
|> world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
|> in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
|> you are in trouble, not even to mention development.

Is that true among most chinese within china?
Or this feeling only exists in a relatively fewer people's mind?

I have the impression that chinese these days is more interested in
make a good living by second job or self-owned business ...

I know a couple from china who are both Ph.D from a great school in the
bay area. Even between themselvs, they felt differently of what is it
in china. The wife believe it is over in most people's mind and people
want a stable society/environment so that they can gain most economically.
While the husband believe the hatred from 6/4 and before is still deep
in people's mind and it is at the Lian4 Bain4 (quantity change) stage and
it will soon develope into Ze2 Bian4 (quality change) stage. By that time,
CCP will be dead.

I hope the same as the husband but tend to believe the wife more.
So what do you think, netters?
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: JTV needs your help to get started
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:16:43 GMT

Some friends and I are planning to get JTV started by the end of this year.
JTV (Justice TV) will be a Chinese news/politics/commercial broadcaster.
The Chinese ploitics has been in the status of "you think you are right,
I think i am right, and nobody compromises to its competing party" during
the entire Chinese history.  And traditionally, the on-power side declares
that they are right forever, and the out-of-power side deserves to be
criminial forever.  We've got to change this situation.  The primary goal 
of the TV program is to speak out the truth, and to give people a chance 
to speak out, and to investigate what to do next.

JTV will be willing to dialogue with all kinds of people: if you are 
communists, welcome to argue with us; if you are "democracy fighters", let's
talk; if you have no points to talk, join our entertainment program... JTV
plans to broadcast its programs on 2-hour per night basis, including weekends.
The major programs include:

	- News from China and from the local Chinese communities;
	- International News;
	- Sit down and Talk (similar to CNN's crossfire);
	- entertainment and other

We like to setup JTV as an non-profitable organisation.
To open this TV program in the grand Los Angeles area, we need to line up
half a million.  So far, thru our private effort, we can line up half of
the required funds.  For the other half, we are planning to setup the trustee
funds.  If you like to see this TV program in place, please help JTV; if
you like to have your voice heard, please help JTV; if you like to sell your
fantastic ideas to the Chinese people but you never got a chance to speak
them out when you were in China, please help JTV!

To find out how you may help JTV, please contact temp1@netix.com for more
information.  Thank you.

Shannon T Yeh
One of the JTV supporters
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 15:18:42 CDT
From: <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking for Liao Hai-Fan

    Liao Hai-Fan   :  Fu Jian , Chang Ting  Ren
                      studied at Zhe Jiang University
                      and Shang Hai Jiao Tong University
  ------------------------------------------------------
    Call me (312) 842-2910 please
   or give me e-mail  :  LI2@BERT.EECS.UIC.EDI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Oct 1, our National Day
Summary: This is just a remind.
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:00:32 GMT

Dear Chinese Friend:


Today is our National Day.


What China won 43 years ago was a real INDEPENDENCE which China had not been
having for about 100 years. Nothing can be more valuable than
independence to a country.


However, neither US nor USSR were willing to see China becomes a strong 
country. They sent their armies to the countries around China. They tried
to isolate China in the world. They tried to control China via thousands of 
ways. When China was trying to improve the relationship with either US or USSR,
USSR or US would attempt to stem via their KGB or CIA.


That was history. That was the environment in which China was standing up.
China then had atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, satellites etc all by 
herself--developing technologies nearly without external help, accumulating
money primarily in the internal markets and meanwhile, producing food
so that the huge population had something to eat.
Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong 
country, an independent country.


Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected because China
has stood up.


Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: TW News 28/9/92
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:43:35 GMT

In article <BvAr3C.Mv2@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <92Sep28.115929edt.147@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.152606.513@m.cs.uiuc.edu> yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang) writes:
>>>elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ROH ARRIVED IN CHINA FOR HISTORIC VISIT
>>>
>>>>BEIJING -- South Korean President Roh Tae Woo began a historic visit
>>>>yesterday in Beijing, saying that it would help lay the groundwork for
>>>>ending Cold War tensions with North Korea.
>>>
>>>>He was greeted at the airport by Chinese Trade Minister Li Lanqing,
>>>>Vice-Foreign Minister Xu Dunxin and several dozen Soth Koreans.
>>>
>>>
>>>Shouldn't he be greeted by some more higher-rank officials from China?
>>>Anybody care to comment?
>>>
>>I know the Duputy PM in charge of Foreign affairs(Wu XueQian) is in Tokyo,
>>the foreign minister might be away also, I think that's why they sent
>>the Trade minister instead.  But, ;->  this is kinda of straight to
>>the point:  "let's talk about business now!"  ;->
>>>
>No excuse, China just doesn't want to offend N. Korea too much.

I don't think so, it's traditional for the foreign minister to greet
the guest at the airport.  Only "extraordinary" close "friends"
the PM or President will come.  After all, the picture or Roh
sat & talk with the Chinese President and PM is now all over the
world.  How can the "great leader" of N. Korea not to be offended
by it?  the question is, what can he do about it?  He's broke,
and China is his last ally.  

>>>--
>>>DerShung Yang    
>
>Tingli Pan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:50:15 GMT

In article <28528@life.ai.mit.edu> pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>
>Relax.  Just register and get on with your live.  In US, one used to have to
>get a license from FCC for operating a CB radio.  Now I believe the
>regulation/law still says the same but FCC has long stopped licensing and any
>one can operate a CB without a license now.  Similar things happened to China.
>One used to have to register his/her radio with police, in the 50's I think.
>Today, probably there are not many who even know such a regulation existed.

You relax :-)  The requirement for FAX machine owners to register with
Public Security Bureau was imposed shortly AFTER June 4th Beijing Masscare,
your reasoning/prediction doesn't quiet apply here.

>From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
>Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
>Date: 22 Sep 92 03:53:36 GMT
>    
>In article <BuyMrC.Eot@ecf.toronto.edu> yinhao@ecf.toronto.edu (Yin Hao) wrote:
>>
>>As I know, you have to get permission from the police dept. to install the fax
>>machine at your own home.  (Or some telecommunication dept. which I'm not too
>>sure about).  
>>
>>Howard
>    
>Thanks for the reminding, actually not only FAX machines, but also Xerox 
>machines, Laser printers and any "equipments that can be used to print or
>re-print propaganda materials", must be registered with/licensed by Public 
>Security Bureau.   What a "Police Republic of China" ...  :-)

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