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From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Second Amendment discussions do not belong here
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:35:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.215409.28292@colorado.edu> judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu (Stephen Judd) writes:
>Friends and neighbors, ladies and gentlemen, this is simply not the place
>for soporific pseudointellectualism.  As I recall, a new group was created
>specifically for the discussion of amendment 2.  Please take this
>discussion to a more appropriate group.  If I wanted to read pedantic
>arguments over fairly trivial things I would simply pick up a Colorado 
>Daily.
>
>Note the Followup-To: line.
>
>Notes to selected posters:
>
>David Knapp - Quoting current psychological theory is a dubious practice at
>	best.  After all, if you did this twenty years ago you would be
>	saying that homosexuality is a psychological disease.  The simple
>	fact of the matter is that, although there are many people who
>	think they do (that goes for individuals both for and against),
>	nobody really understands homosexuality.


I (David Knapp) did *not* say the above.


>I am not a resident of Colorado and intend to stay that way.  I have no
>further interest in this so-called "conversation."  Please take it
>elsewhere.
>
>					-Steve
>--
>judd@colorado.edu   //   FORTRAN is God's language.
>                  \X/


Steve, Please watch your attributes.


Also, unless you are the moderator, you have no say at all what subject
matter is posted.
If you don't like what you see, use a kill file like me. If you need
help setting one up, drop a line and I'll do what I can.

Otherwise, unsubscribe to the group.


Unsubscribe to it.



-- 
David Knapp                                   University of Colorado, Boulder
Perpetual Student                                 knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Looks like hate *is* a family value after all and Colorado families are for it.

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From: doherty@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Michael Doherty)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2, strangely enough
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:09:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.155516.18479@neocad.com> benzene@neocad.com (Dave Bennett) writes:
>I'm not sure if this is the correct group to post this to since it seems to
>be used only to post opinions about whether this group should exist, but
>does anyone know what the EXACT wording of the ammendment?  We all know what
>the ballot said, but that isn't what's added to the constitution.
>
>Dave Bennett


"Article 2 of the Colorado Constitution is amended by the addition of
Section 30, which shall state as follows:

"NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION. 
Neither the State of Colorado, through any of its branches or departments,
nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school
districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance
or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct,
practices or relationships shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of,
or entitle any person or class of persons to have or claim any minority
status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of discrimination. 
This Section of the Constitution shall be in all respects self executing."



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From: carlosm@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Carlos Maltzahn)
Subject: Hollywood is gearing up for action, publicist says
Originator: gina@tigger
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:50:23 GMT

Colorado Daily 11/12/92:



Hollywood is gearing up for action, publicist says



By Chris Wolf



Last week's voter approval of a state constitutional 
amendment that prohibits legal protection against discrimi-
nation for homosexuals has turned Colorado into a virtual 
battleground.

And one of the most powerful armies mobilizing a counter-
offensive against the Colorado Springs religious-based group 
that promoted the anti-gay amendment will be Vice President 
Dan Quayle's "cultural elite."

According to a former CU student who now owns a public-
relations company in Los Angeles, the entertainment commu-
nity has been too busy celebrating the results of last week's 
presidential election to brace itself for a battle over a 
"hate amendment" in their vacation state.

But the California art, film, music and television commu-
nities have a long history of supporting and defending lib-
eral social agendas, he said, and they will probably line up 
against Amendment 2 in due time. Already, there is talk of 
boycotting Colorado's tourist spots, he said.

"It's all developing every day," said Lobeline Communica-
tions' Phil Lobel. "Everybody out in Los Angeles views Colo-
rado as a very liberal, open-minded state. But the people out 
here don't often go to places like La Junta, Canon City and 
Pueblo - all those places where they still believe there 
aren't any homosexuals among them," Lobel said. "They say, 
`I've gone to Aspen, and I've never been to a more liberal 
place.'"

Lobel said the first front-page story on Amendment 2 was 
published in The Los Angeles Times Tuesday. And Wednesday, 
he said, "the daily Bible of the entertainment industry, 
Daily Variety, also published a story about Colorado's 
statewide approval of Amendment 2."

Lobel also said US magazine and Entertainment Weekly will 
take a different tack on their annual coverage of Holly-
wood's holiday-season exodus to Colorado's elite winter won-
derland, Aspen. "They've covered Aspen every year," he said. 
"But this year, they're altering their focus and asking all 
the entertainers, `Why aren't you abiding by the boycott? 
Why are you going to this state that promotes hatred?'"

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From: gina@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Gina Cherry)
Subject: Gay author cancels appearance
Followup-To: amend2-discuss@cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:24:04 GMT


Reprinted without permission from the Daily Camera, Nov. 12, 1992

GAY AUTHOR CANCELS APPEARANCE

Armistead Maupin, a gay rights activist and author, has canceled a
Denver appearance because of a voter approved anti-gay rights
amendment.

"I'm so sad to do this," Maupiin said Tuesday in a telephone interview
from Seattle. "But I see this as an act of solidarity for all good
people of Colorado."

Maupin wrote the popular series, "Tales of the City," which features
homosexual characters in mainstream literature. He was in Seattle as
part of a nationwide promotional tour for his new novel "Maybe the
Moon."

Maupin said his opposition to the amendment prompted him to cancel a
book-signing appearance that had been scheduled for Friday at the
Tattered Cover Book Store.

"All the warm and fuzzy parts of me say rush to Colorado and deliver a
rallying cry to gay people and their friends and families. And kick
some redneck butt," he said.

"But I think that by staying away and calling for other artists to
stay away from Colorado in protest, I can make a much bigger noise
about the Amendment 2 situation than by coming there and reading," he
said.

"Clearly, by codifying bigotry as they do with this amendment,
Colorado has bcome the South Africa of the U.S. for gays. I want to
protest that."

Joyce Meskis, owner of the Tattered Cover, said she was disappointed
by Maupin's decision.

"We understand that Armistead made the choice on his own and respect
that, of course," she said. "We feel that Colorado is filled with
diverse people who do no support this (Amendment 2), and hope that the
publishing industry will not view us in a negative light."

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From: gina@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Gina Cherry)
Subject: Legal Challenge to Amendment 2 Prepared
Followup-To: amend2-info@cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:38:41 GMT

Reprinted from the Daily Camera without permission, Nov. 12, 1992:

LEGAL CHALLENGE PREPARED

A citizen's group was poised Wednesday to file a legal challenge to
Amendment 2 as gay rights advocates claimed a hate campaign was
mounting against homosexuals in Colorado.

Tonight, at a town meeting in Boulder, groups fighting the amendment
will explain what they are doing and recruit volunteers to help.

On Tuesday, the Boulder City Council voted unanimously to join the
lawsuit and declared its council chambers a "hate-free zone".

The Boulder council also supported Mayor Leslei Durgin joining the
lawsuit in an official capacity if Denver Mayor Wellington Webb does
the same.

Durgin said the city has received about 1100 calls supporting
participation in the lawsuit in the past week.

Colorado for Family Values, which spearheaded the campaign to pass the
amendment, canceled a news conference planned for today to avoid the
risk of a possible confrontation with amendment opponents.

"Clearly, some in Colorado have a vested interest in seeing
predictions of a 'climate of hate' come true," said a statement from
Colorado for Family Values. "Let anyone who doubts this examine the
mob mentality displayed Election Night."

Colorado voters approved Amendment 2 on Nov. 3. It bars state and
local governments from adopting laws or policies prohibiting
discrimination based on sexual preference.

On election night, angry gay rights advocates marched to the
Democratic state victory party in downtown Denver and then marched
into the street chanting and waving signs. Gov. Roy Romer and Denver
Mayor Wellington Webb urged the crowd to remain peaceful and led about
400 protesters on a march to the state capitol building.

The Colorado Legal Initiatives Project plans to file a lawsuit today
that would alleege t he amendment violates the U.S. Constitution's
14th Amendment right to free expression and association, usurps the
power of home-rule cities and requires the state to recognize and
promote a particular religious belief.

Earlier this week, the Aspen City Council passed a resolution
denouncing the amendment. Attorneeys in both Aspen and Denver are
looing into some sort of legal challenge, either by joining the
citizen's effort or filing separate lawsuits.

Meanwhile, the effects of the amendment's passage have cropped up
across Colorado.

Gay rights advocates say they have seen signs of a developing hate
campaign encouraged by Amendment 2.

The Gay and Lesbian Community Center in Denver has received a
half-dozen hate calls, as well as reports of torn-up yard signs, cars
broken into and vandalized, and physical threats.

"People walked by and noticed their 'No on 2' buttons and said things
like, 'I should beat you up,'" said Jody Andrade, director of the
center's anti-violence project.
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From: gina@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Gina Cherry)
Subject: National candlelight vigil for gay rights
Followup-To: amend2-info@cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:59:21 GMT


A Colorado student group called A Place Under the Sun is organizing a
nationwide candlelight vigil for Inauguration Day, January 20.  The
purpose of the vigil is to call national attention to the gay rights
issue, particularly to the passage of Amendment 2 in Colorado, and to
ask Clinton for his support.  The vigil will happen simultaneously
around the country, beginning at 9 pm EST.

People are needed to organize vigils in their cities and states.  For
more information about the vigil, call Todd at 303-938-8987.

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From: blough@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Eric Blough)
Subject: QRD: Colorado Directory created
Followup-To: amend2-info@cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:55:52 GMT

To: soc.motss.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,
        alt.politics.homosexuality.usenet@decwrl.dec.com
Cc: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu, qn@queernet.org, amend2-info@cs.colorado.edu
Subject: QRD: Colorado Directory created
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:31:42 EST
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>


I have created a directory on the QRD [anonymous ftp /pub/QRD on nifty.andrew.
cmu.edu] in the rights directory [full path: /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado]
that contains a list of addresses that people can write to expressing
their reaction about the Colorado Constitution #2. There are also 
newspaper articles on Amendment 2 and copies of the Colorado Voters Guide
and a bunch of stuff.

The idea is to use the /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado directory as a resource
to help people get info about the Colorado situation dispersed. If you have
anything to add either send it to me by email, or upload it into 
/pub/QRD/incoming.

---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"A visceral recoil from homosexuality is the natural reaction of a healthy
society wishing to preserve itself." Pat Buchanan, March 27, 1991, N.Y. POST

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From: chesney@obiwan.fsl.noaa.gov (Scott Chesney)
Subject: test
Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:38:59 GMT

another test
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From: blough@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Eric Blough)
Subject: Text of Oregon measure 9
Followup-To: amend2-info@cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:33:04 GMT

Thanks to Daniel Katz (KATZ@MSBCS@enet.dec.com).
Source: nifty.andrew.cmu.edu:/pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado/amend2-NYT-8.13.92

AMENDING OREGON'S CONSTITUTION

here is the text of the proposed amendment

This state shall not recognize any categorical provisions such as
"sexual orientation," "sexual preference," and similar phrases that 
includes homosexuality, Quotas or minority status, affirmative action,
or any similar concepts, shall not apply to these forms of conduct,
nor shall government promote these behaviors.

State, regional and local governments and their properties and monies
shall not be used to promote, encourage, or facilitate homosexuality,
pedophilia, sadism or masochism.

State, regional and local governments and their departments, agencies
and other entities, including specifically the State Department of Higher
Education and the public schools, shall assist in setting a standard for
Oregon's youth that recognizes homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism and
masochism as abnormal, wrong, unnatural, and perverse and that these
behaviors are to be discouraged and avoided.

It shall be considered that it is the intent of the people in enacting 
this section that if any part therof is held unconstitutional, the
remaining parts will be held in force.

            
=====================================================
Daniel S. Katz		Digital Equipment Corporation
			GIS/VSS Boxborough BXB1-1/E11

MSBCS::KATZ or KATZ@MSBCS@enet.dec.com

"The modern pantheist not only sees God in everything,
but takes photogrpahs." D.H. Lawrence
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: quotas and amendment 2
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:29:25 GMT

pc> Paul Crook (aka "Pablo")
gs> Gary Strand

gs> I happen to believe that a person ought to be allowed to discriminate using
    sexual orientation as their sole metric. Same with race, gender, age, phys-
    ical or mental handicap, Vietnam-era veteran status, height, weight, ap-
    pearence, marital status, whatever.

  Forgot one. Religious affiliation.

pc> wow.  the prosecution rests, and suggests to the court that enough rope
    has been payed out to this deponent already. especially if he believes 
    that employers and landlords should be allowed the same freedom of dis-
    crimination.  

  Yep. BTW, I think freedom of speech includes Sinead O'Connor tearing up a
  picture of the pope, Karen Findley inviting people to examine her cervix
  (though I'd drop the government grants), the Christic Institute publishing
  whatever wacky conspiracy-of-the-month theory they've got, Pat Robertson
  and his 700 Club, &c. Just because I feel that the freedom to discriminate
  ought to exist doesn't mean I condone all instances of discrimination. It
  is possible to allow X but not condone X.

pc> the law of the land has been distancing itself from such bigotry.

  Question is, have people done so as well, and secondly, I thought legislat-
  ing morality was a bad idea. Also, will anti-discrimination laws be with us
  in perpetuity, or will there be a day when all humans are completely and
  totally tolerant and in harmony with each other? This would be a development
  unparalleled in 10,000+ years of human history. Can we expect to see things
  like Affirmative Action and the Denver/Aspen/Boulder ordinances for the next
  10,000 years?

pc> i predict that it will continue to do so, a successful disinformation and
    hate campaign in colorado notwithstanding.

  Anyone who took 2 minutes to read #2 should have understood what it said. I
  don't believe the "Whoever voted yes was either an idiot, a brainwashed fool,
  or an illiterate simpleton" theory very seriously. I also don't think that
  #2 *in and of itself* is a statement of "hate". That particular word has 
  been used in the anti-2 campaign far too much, but to decent emotional ef-
  fect.

pc> oh, and remember.  nothing's been repealed in boulder, denver, and aspen,
    because nothing's changed in the state constitution.  discrimination won't
    be legal until january 4th, 1993.  if someone's been waiting for #2 to
    pass so they can reveal their bigotry (not that they were willing to in
    the polls, of course), they'll just have to wait a little longer.

  Yep, starting at 0000 hours on 5 January 1993, homosexuals will be hustled
  out of Colorado. NOT! Just because they *can*, doesn't mean they *will*.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: What happened to all the referenda... R
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.184739.5061@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH) writes:
>So, when a couple years back, Louisana passed a law making assault on a flag
>burner a $25 fine, it was the people, not the law, that was to blame when
>flag burners got assaulted?

The person who decided to commit the crime is to blame. In this case, the
people who committed assault made than choice.

                                       Frank Crary
                                       CU Boulder

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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:00:25 GMT

dd> Dick Dunn
gs> Gary Strand

gs> Why would you want to work at such [an anti-gay] place? There are other
    jobs, and unless you're a masochist, working at a place where the only 
    thing keeping you from being fired is an ordinance like the kind Boulder, 
    Denver, and Aspen have is pretty dumb...

dd> Gary, this is the second time you've come up with this sort of fantasy-land
    view of the job market--"if it's such a lousy job, you can just quit...why
    work at such a place?"  You're trying to wish away the problem by inventing
    a view of the world where you think it wouldn't matter.

  Hey, use the same argument to the people who (apparently) are planning to
  leave Colorado because of #2's passing. If they can use the argument when
  talking about leaving the state, why can't I use it to talk about leaving
  a job that's intolerable?

dd> Get out in the real world and look around.  Jobs aren't that easy to find.

  I know they're not. Finding places that aren't anti-gay (not necessarily
  pro-gay either) isn't that difficult. Most (as in vast majority) don't care,
  one way or the other.

dd> Saying "if you're afraid you might get fired, just quit" is a small step
    from saying "if you're afraid of the consequences of being different, get
    out of here."

  No, it's not a "small step", it's a big one. You're saying "Love it or leave
  it", I'm saying "If you hate it, there's no reason to stay." Big difference,
  but it's slipped past you.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
Subject: Re: Sales tax - 3.3 kept by merchant (not)
Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:22:16 GMT

wolniewi@boulder.Colorado.EDU (WOLNIEWICZ RICHARD H) writes:
>A quick note on this sales tax kept by the merchant.  My understanding
>(from when I was applying for a business license) is that keeping the
>percentage is only allowed when the payments are made on time and
>correctly...

True.  Conversely, if payments are late the merchant must pay a penalty
(plus interest, of course).  The figures I can find at the moment for
Boulder are 10% penalty and 1% per month interest.  I can't lay hands on
the numbers for the state right now, but it's a similar mechanism.

Anyway, the ordinances allow a slight benefit for normal on-time filing and
a rather larger penalty for being late.
-- 
Dick Dunn    rcd@raven.eklektix.com   -or-   raven!rcd    Boulder, Colorado
	...Simpler is better.
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