HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Question about USENET
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:19:58 GMT
Reply-To: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: World Vision U.S.

In article <1992Aug19.150453.18455@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> jaorans@PacBell.COM (Jeff Oransky) writes:
>   Can anyone tell me where I can get some an introductory description of
>USENET which would describe the network and how to go about posting and
>replying to messages?


Two places to look: 

news.announce.newusers, Gene Spafford posts a bunch of articles on a
  regular basis.  If they're not there, go ask a local guru for
  assistance; these articles are supposed to be retained on the system
  upwards of 2 months.

news.answers, may have repeats of the articles mentioned above, but
  definitely is the place to look for frequently-asked questions info
  on various topics.

Unfortunately, neither of these two places has explicit message
posting/replying instructions, as these are dependant on what your
local guru (or sysadmin) has installed.  Generally, you find the
appropriate manual for your news reeader, and get your answers there.
If you're using rn to read news, I can probably help.  Otherwise??

Art

--
Art Nicolaysen
art@wvus.org
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: bx096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Andrew Stark)
Subject: USENET POSTING
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 04:21:03 GMT


Does anyone know if it is possible to address certain messages to
people in the newsgroups or are they all ADDRESSED automatically
to ALL? I'd like to post in K12, which is carried by FIDONET also.
But instead of addressing a message to ALL I'd like to address a
message TO someone. Can this be done in the confrence or newsgroup?

Thanks...

Pete Stark

-- 
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peter.stark@f721.n278.z1.fidonet.org
bx096@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Internet History?
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:32:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Aug19.003210.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <uX9PPB2w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, kilgore@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Stan Hall) writes:
> 
> 
>     Can anyone point me a to a reference to the history of Internet?
>     I started explaining to one of my users and figured out how much
>     I reallt don't know (not to mention that I am throughly confusing).
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Kilgore

Look under one of the regular posts under news.announce.newusers.  I
think a history of usenet is included in the "What is USENET?" post,
but I'm not sure.   I am sure you'll find it in
news.announce.newusers, though.  === Al Sparks
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Host address needed!
Originator: news@phcoms.seri.philips.nl
Organization: Philips Semiconductors at   Eindhoven, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:13:53 GMT

Hi,
   I got a problem, my default host has been changed and now I cannot read the
   news (bad news blues), I would appreciate very much if someone sends me
   info on host addresses where I can connect to get full news feed. Is there
   any way to override the host specified in /etc/nntpserver?
	    Thanks in advance,
			       DEGT

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From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Internet History?
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:04:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Last time I looked, as I remember, there was a history of the Internet in
the FAQ's you see when you log into netcom@netcom.com as guest.
Telnet and rlogin should also work.

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: Hints on writing style for Usenet
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:02:17 GMT

In <13AUG199216543728@jetson.uh.edu> wmporter@jetson.uh.edu (William M. Porter) writes:

>In article <spaf-style_711614929@cs.purdue.edu>, spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene
>Spafford) makes a number of excellent suggestions. I wish only to elaborate on
>one of them: 

>> * References need to be made.  When you answer mail, you have the original
>>   message fresh in your mind.  When I receive your answer, I don't.

>as well. Selective quoting or accurate and respectful paraphrase will make
>your response easier to read.

That's why the point has already been made, in the document "A Primer on How
to Work With the USENET Community" by Chuq Von Rospach, it states:

  When you are following up someone's article, please summarize the parts of
  the article to which you are responding.  This allows readers to
  appreciate your comments rather than trying to remember what the original
  article said.  It is also possible for your response to get to some sites
  before the original article.
		  
  Summarization is best done by including appropriate quotes from the
  original article.  Do not include the entire article since it will
  irritate the people who have already seen it.  Even if you are responding
  to the entire article, summarize only the major points you are discussing.

This posting goes to news.answers at least as often as the "Hints on writing
style for Usenet" one.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, News Administrator Extraordinaire.  (pt@geovision.gvc.com)
You all know that this stuff is my opinion, don't you?  Nothing to do with
GeoVision at all.  Honest!  "I fed the news today, oh boy"
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Single Source For FAQ Lists?
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:30:10 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

The FAQs are all available by anonymous FTP from ftp.uu.net.
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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: bnchung@usenet.etri.re.kr (System Manager)
Subject: TEST(SORRY)
Organization: ETRI
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:31:25 GMT

This is test.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Viewing .GIF files
Organization: AS&M Inc
Distribution: news
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:26:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.215924.14463@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> nzr@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
	   I keep seeing .gif files in several of the newsgroups.  Some of them i
   have put in my own directory, but I have no idea what i should do to view these
   files.  Does anyone out there know?

You need a GIF viewer for your system.  See the comp.graphics FAQ in
news.answers for more info.
--
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employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Articles I Post are Being Deleted Too Quickly!
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:00:54 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Aug17.035705.27711@avernus.com> mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) writes:
>In article <992Aug6.2245.574@nwnexus.WA.COM> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
>>an 'extended' length of time.  If netcom nukes the messages after
>>a week, that's their business, of course, but ensuring that the
>>posts stay around with the EXPIRES: header is preferable to having
>>their admin extend the expiration flag for the newsgroup.  At least
>>the EXPIRES: header sort of controls the length of time it remains
>>on ALL systems flag.

>This isn't entirely true.  After the purge period the article will be
>deleted irrespective of it's expiry header.  Most newsgroups I pick up
>have a purge period of seven days.  I doubt that's a representative
>period, though.

"Purge period"  whassat?  Your terminology is a trifle confusing.

In B news and C news the expire software determines article expiry.
That is, without an explicit "Expires:" line, the administrator
gets to determine how long articles stay around (in C news potentially per
newsgroup via explist, in B news by command line argument, albeit
far less flexible).

If there's an Expires: line it overrides normal expiry, and the
article can stay around longer.  However, the Expires: line is
also subject to control.  in C news, there is a "bounds" parameter
(again potentially per-newsgroup), which limits the maximum Expires:
period.  And in B news you can explicitly ignore expires lines and
expire more quickly.

There is no network imposed per-newsgroup "purge" time.

Expires can be used to keep articles around longer, but people should
remember that many administrators tell their software to explicitly
ignore Expires (because of the idiots misusing it), and that USENET
articles are essentially "transient".  Besides, even if you could
make an article permanent, most people would read it only once
anyways.

USENET is the wrong medium for long-term postings of "wanted"
or "lost" notices.  If the article doesn't achieve its goal the
first time it's read (eg: you recognize the description of a lost
child the first time you read it), little gain is derived from keeping
the article around longer.

The original poster should use a 30-90 day expires and just hope
for the best.  There's little he can do about individual site expiry
policies.
-- 
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Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
From: nchow@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Norman Chow)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Newsreader for IBM PC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:56:20 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Need recommendations for IBM PC newsreader software.  Prefer shareware, 
but all advice considered.

Would appreciate these features:

-can use my favourite text editor
-zips newsgroups for off-line processing
-uploads replies and email automagically
-record feature so I can show it what I want done

Suggestions?

Norman Chow              nchow@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Posting a file for FTP access -- how?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:57:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

How do I post a file at a site for other people to FTP from?


- Scott

-- 

Scott Allen Steinbrink
 
NetCom: Derich@netcom.com
CompuServe: 76106.2055@CompuServe.Com (Going out of accountness soon!)
America Online: Derichman

All opinions and remarks are not my responsbility - it's my own
mind's full responsbility. I just speak what it commands me to say. 

"Deaf people can do anything except hear" - I. King Jordan
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Who sent me message RE ZMODEM protocols
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:00:11 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Trying to find person who sent me (e-mail) this advice:

Find DSZ or GSZ ZMODEM protocols from Omen - Zmodem on the VAX is
implemented as RZ and SZ inthe dua2:[maddog.zmodem] directory.

You offered more info, and I could use it.  Hope you see this.

	- Ken Miner <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Articles I Post are Being Deleted Too Quickly!
Date: 17 Aug 1992 12:31:09 +0200
Organization: INSA Informatique, Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

In article <1992Aug16.221345.15734@nwnexus.WA.COM> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
>This [expires header] is the BEST way.  

Disagreed.   Site admins are [supposedely] the one defining how long
articles should remain in their spool.  There are some special
cases where Expires (generally coupled with a Supersedes of the previous
article) may have sense: stuff such as the FAQ postings, or conference
announcements.

But now what if anybody would post any article with an Expiration at
20, 30 or more days?  This will lead to have Expires as inefficient as
Distribution is, ie admins would bypass the option and force
expiration regardless of the headers.

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr
   "No keyboard, press F1 to continue"
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Internet History?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:42:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I haven't seen a history of the WHOLE Internet. I have
seen pieces and parts. I too would be interested in in.
Maybe some of us should get together and do something 
like this...

Mary

Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: ralphs@halcyon.com
Subject: Re: Articles I Post are Being Deleted Too Quickly!
Originator: ralphs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:59:19 GMT


In <1992Aug21.100723.22733@ruc.dk> jba@ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:

>>Would you (and other admins) consider extending the limits on
>>alt.missing-kids to, say, 60 days?  Mark off the lost spool
>>space as a public service, perhaps.

>I won't because I don't think alt.m-k is even remotely usefull here in
>Denmark.

Two girls from Denmark (or was it Sweden) toured the U.S., were
kidnapped, raped, and murdered.  Certainly, in this case, there
are corpses, but in many cases, the missing remain just that.
Runaways and abductions are not common to just the United States.

But we thank you for your response.

-- 
  ralphs@halcyon.com, home of the /archive/pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs
  ftp collection.

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: specifying Canada or USA distribution
Followup-To: news.newusers.questions
Organization: AS&M Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:36:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.033229.19351@cuug.ab.ca> ggford@cuug.ab.ca (Gary Ford 286-9693) writes:

   Canada only: is it "can" or is it "ca"?

ca: California/USA
can: Canada

   USA only: is it "usa" or is it "us"?

usa: United States of America/NA

   Does "na" include Mexico and/or Central America?

na: North America/Mexico*,CAN,USA

   From Canada, can one post to the USA only without also posting to Canada?

Probably not.

Note about Distributions:  You cannot keep a post from getting to anyone
who wants it.  Distributions allow readers (their admins) to choose
what articles they are likely to want to read.  Many European sites
receive Distribution: usa, some because USAmericans are visiting and
want to keep up, others because they are interested in USA stuff.

-- 
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
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employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: STARTREK NEWSGROUP
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:39:03 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Try the following:

rec.arts.startrek.current
		 .info
		 .misc
		 .tech
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From: Alex Brozan <studentcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:24 PDT
Subject: Gen. Info on Networks
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1431600014:000:668
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!studentcoord    Aug 19 20:24:00 1992


From: Alex Brozan <studentcoord>
Subject: Gen. Info on Networks



Hello... I am looking for general info, files, FAQs, et al on e-mail
and computer networks.  I am writing some factsheets on computer
networks for an organization I volunteer with and am looking for good
introductions to and summaries of e-mail, computer networks in general,
and the various networks specifically.  Any info on where such FAQs can
be found or FTP sites with such info greatly appreciated.  (I have already
seen Zen and the Art of Internet, so i already am familiar with that one).

please respond via e-mail, as I check this conference infrequently.

thanks
alex
studentcoord@igc.org

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Test Message
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:51:22 GMT

gck@hector.uucp (24641-kemmerling) publicly declared:
>> >This is a test message.
>> 
>> Yes, it is.  Too bad this isn't a test newsgroup.  Please post test
>> messages someplace they're welcome, like misc.test or alt.test.
>
>Gee whiz, maybe this poster, like me, didn't know there was a test
>newsgroup.  I *do* know I can type n if I don't want to read the 
>subject!

Gee whiz, maybe this poster, like you, could LOOK to see if there was
an appropriate place before blindly posting the the first available
newsgroup.

The problem isn't simply that I don't know how to hit "n" to skip over
test messages.  I do.  I also know how to use KILL files to avoid
them.  The trouble lies that many sites pay for their incoming feeds.
These sites carry newsgroups for specific content, not for messages
(like test messages) that don't belong there.  This particular group
has seen a recent increase in test messages, and someone needs to point
out that there are better places.

Sorry if this sounds like a flame.  I don't mean it to be.  But people,
please, look before you leap.  And if you forget to do that, don't get
bent out of shape if someone corrects you.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------
There has never been an unexpectedly short debugging   |      Steven King
period in the history of computers.                    |   Motorola Cellular
                             (Steven Levy, "Hackers")  |   king@rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: The use of 
Summary: What's in a name ? A rse(1) by any other name would smll(1) as sweet.
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:15:15 GMT

chandan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ikramuddin Ahmed) writes:
>But this time I've come up with a real question: why did the developers
>of the USENET software for the UNIX system name the command for posting 
>an article *Pnews* instead of plain and simple pnews, or even more simply pn? 
>Even postnews would have been so much user-friendlier! Just to prevent newusers
>from finding out about how to post items, and make them be content with reading
>only until they find out, I guess. A funny and a rather convoluted way to 
>limit contributions, I would say.

Listen, everyone! For those of you who do not approve of how a command
was named - use an "alias tool" ! Then all you need to do is:

	alias mfa Nameofsomebloodycommandthatyouprobablyneverthoughtofbefore

In this case "mf" is just a name that means "my favourite abbreviation".

Ikramuddin might do this:

	alias postnews Pnews
From: mscott@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Scott)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: help me understand the Internet Please!!
Summary: The WELL in San Francisco is a good place to start.
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:41:22 GMT
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

One of the most thorough sources of information on the Internet I know is 
through an access site/BBS/electronic-coffee-house in San Francisco 
called The WELL. One of their standing newsgroups (they call them 
"conferences") is devoted to the Internet. They have libraries of 
material, including detailed pointers to and discussions of "Best Books
and Articles on Internet' and technical information on everything from 
FTP to archie servers. There is a small membership fee and an hourly
charge ($2, I think) buy you may want to explore even so. The WELL's 
modem line is 415-332-6106, where you can login as "newuser". Voice line 
is 415-332-4335. Or, if you have access to telnet through your host 
system you can link up that way and avoid a long distance charge: the 
WELL's internet address is well.sf.ca.us (192.132.30.2).

---
Michael Scott                 |  Time held me green and dying
mscott@questor.wimsey.bc.ca   |  Though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Vancouver, British Columbia   |                    -- Dylan Thomas
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: nik@csgi63.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (Nik Silver)
Subject: What listservs are there?
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
Distribution: scs
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:15:33 GMT
X-Posted-From: csgi63.leeds.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Quick question: Where can I get a list of all the listservs I can subscribe
to? I'd like to get to know what's going in the linguistics and NLP
community, and have got one or two from the comp.ai (proposed) FAQ, but have
no idea if this is complete. 

All help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Nik.
nik@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: How do I decode rec.humor.funny jokes?
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.065240.5285@wvus.org> art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen) writes:

   In article <9c7cPB2w164w@buscard.fidonet.org> murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
   >The moderator encodes offensive jokes in rec.humor.funny and it's piqued 
   >my curiosity.  I'm afraid I don't know how to break the code but there 
   >MUST be a FAQ around somewhere.  Where can I look for it (or is this part 
   >of the encoding procedure, too?)?  :-)

   The encoding is a transposition cipher known as "Rot13", and is
   explained(forgot *which* article) in the documentation posted in 
   news.announce.newusers.

And doesn't Brad explain it in one of his regular posts to RHF?  Or
suggest ways to find out?  In general it's recommended that readers be
aware of the FAQ lists and other informative/administrative periodic
posts in the groups they read.
--
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions