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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:15:58 GMT

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	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:50:20 EDT
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                         ATTENTION PRIME CUSTOMERS

                                PrimeService

To those of our customers who are questioning the strength, stability and
longevity of PrimeService, we want to assure you of our ongoing ability to
meet your Prime product and service requirements.  As a result of the recent
announcement consolidating some of the former Prime operations into
PrimeService, we are a stronger company, better positioned to respond to the
long-term requirements of our customers for products and support.

     What PrimeService means to you:

     A single focus for all your 50 Series and EXL product and service
        requirements

     Industry-leading, high quality support, backed by over 20 years
        experience

     One of the world's top 20 service providers as ranked by
        Ledgeway/Dataquest with over $600 million in revenue annually

     Ongoing 50 Series software support and development, including bug
        fixes and enhancements for PRIMOS and Prime INFORMATION
        (PrimeService took over full responsibility for 50 Series and EXL
        software R & D over 12 months ago.)

     A wide range of products and services (not available from third party
        maintainers), including systems, software, networking, conversion
        and value-added products and services (We go well-beyond simple
        hardware repair capabilities of third party maintainers.)

     Over 10,000 customers and 30,000 systems supported worldwide

     Millions of dollars in spare parts inventory for all current 50 Series
        products

PrimeService is committed to our customers and to helping them maximize the
investment they have made in their 50 Series and EXL environments.

         **  SINGLE  FOCUS  FOR  ALL  PRODUCTS  AND  SERVICES  **

                     **  FULL  SERVICE  PROVIDER  **

                   **  HEALTHY,  VIABLE  BUSINESS  **

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From: imd1707@ggr.co.uk (Ian Dunkin)
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:18:00 GMT

>  CMDNC0 stands for CoMmanD Device Non-Chargeable 0.  Of course, with
>  Search Rules there is no need for a CMDNC1!

One the contrary!  Our default COMMAND$ search rules indeed include

    CMDNBE      our interludes
    CMDNBF      our commands
    CMDNC0      Prime commands
    CMDNC1      3rd part commands

in a pleasing succession...

    I.
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From: urbans@lmv.lm.se (Urban Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: back in town
Organization: National Land Survey of Sweden, S-801 82 Gavle, Sweden. (LMV).
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:59:05 GMT

In article <9209022147.AA08024@usenet.rpi.edu> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren) writes:
>> We are pretty bored with getting Benelux Info_prime messages (like this one)
>> posted to USenet.
>>
>> WOuld you try your utmost to stop this - out customer s in the Nordic
>> countries are complaning
>
>The Info-Prime mailing-list is (bi-directionaly) gatewayed to the
>comp.sys.prime newsgroup. Together they form *one* discussion group.
>Thus I don't exactly understand what your customer's problem is...
>Please explain it more specific.

As a customer in the Nordic countries I and all people at my site
who are reading this newsgroup are very satified with it.

I do also not understand the customer's problem ????????

Are there any more customers in the Nordic countries reading this
newsgroup ?  Please reply to me or the swedish Prime newsgroup
swnet.sys.prime


- - - - - - - - - - - - BEST REGARDS,  URBAN - -  - - - - - - - - - - - -
I Urban Sundstrom                 I   Internet E-mail: urbans@lmv.lm.se   I
I Computer Department             I      Phone office: +46 26 15 34 60    I
I National Land Survey of Sweden  I    Handheld phone: +46 10 95 16 76    I
I S-801 82 Gavle                  I Internet Nickname: us14               I
I SWEDEN                          I  (Ham:SM3HZQ) Fax: +46 26 65 35 69    I
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Date: 26 Aug 92 16:48:40 GMT
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	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:24:24 EDT
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Why, all of a sudden, when I post something, it comes back to from BOTH
INFO-PRIME and UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: gml4410@ggr.co.uk (Lack Mr G M)
Subject: Re: tuning
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:21:08 GMT

     I  didn't  read  the  original message *all* that closely, but as I
recall it was taking between 15 and 90 seconds to  end  on  program  and
start the next.  Is that correct? 

     If  so,  then we know that it *can* take 15 seconds, so why does it
sometimes take 90??  Presumably someone else  is  using  the  system  as
well? 

     Have you run USAGE *while* this is going on?  What did the *actual*
process in question actually use during the time this was going on?  (If
Rev23.1  USAGE  has the -IOCNT option, then use it to see how much IO is
going on).  I have a slight advantage here, in that I add a few lines to
Primos  (and  USAGE)  so  that  I  can see *per-user* MISS and PageFault
rates, but that won't help you.... 

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:57:18 GMT

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Subject: Another One
To: internet!Blx-A.Prime.COM!Info-Prime 
From: internet!Relay.Prime.COM!Blx-A.Prime.COM!Info-Prime
	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:03:52 EDT
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Here is another one for you Primos Trekkies..

There has been several names for PRIMOS prior to it becoming PRIMOS. Such
as PRIMOS III, PRIMOS IV, and PRIMOS. (PRIMOS II was for the single user
operating system).  This one goes way back. What was the first name for
the multi-user PRIMOS Operating System?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: mhjohnso@us.oracle.com (Mark H. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Another One
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:08:01 GMT

DOS-VM

That's  Disk Operating System - Virtual Memory

The first name for Primos - II was DOS, as shipped, but
internally the first name was PFP-DOS or Patched for Prime DOS.

So mail me my prize.

Mark Johnson
Employee 13 at Prime
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: 0004439868@mcimail.com (Infocus Inc.)
Subject: PI/open & VMark
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:03:00 GMT

Attn: Info Prime
From: Lee Leitner
  Subject:
                                             Time:     Date:
  PI/open & VMark                                       8:51 AM   9/3/92
Info-Primers:

Reliable sources report that VMark Software has signed a letter of intent to
acquire PI/open. Contract negotiations are continuing, with a signed agreement
expected by the end of this week.

This agreement apparently is on the heels of an axed $6 million deal for PI
with EDS. Devcom MidAmerica also reportedly was the third finalist in the
bidding wars.

Issues pertaining to PI 50 series, VMark's product plans, etc. are not known to
my sources yet.

Negotiations are being done in the UK, with Andy Ridgers integrally involved.


Lee Leitner
infocus@mcimail.com


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From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508)
Subject: Question
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:24:24 GMT

Why, all of a sudden, when I post something, it comes back to from BOTH
INFO-PRIME and UUCP
From: mikes@techbook.com (Mike Scheuerman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Prime DBMS
Summary: DBMS -> RDBMS options
Keywords: DBMS PRIME
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Sep3.160020.21480
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

We are in the midst of trying to put a plan together to migrate from
our Prime DBMS to an RDBMS (most likely Oracle).  Are there any good
tools out there that can ease the data migration?  In the best of all
worlds, we'd like to find a tool that we can feed the DBMS schema and
data into and come out with an equivalent RDBMS schema and data on the
other side.  I suspect that's asking a bit much, but it would be nice
to know if there are any tools out there to help at all.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mike Scheuerman
CMSI
0234 SW Bancroft
Portland, OR  97201

NetAddress: mikes@techbook

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From: TOWN.CRIER@md-b.prime.com
Subject: subscribe
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:50:26 GMT

subscribe info-prime The Town Crier
From: hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: back in town
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:20:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: Sweden.9209021720.AA10666
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Computervision Sweden

In article <9209021446.AA28327@usenet.rpi.edu> you write:
>Hi there,

Hi Toni,

We are pretty bored with getting Benelux Info_prime messages (like this one)
posted to USenet.

WOuld you try your utmost to stop this - out customer s in the Nordic
countries are complaning


Thanks
H}kan Sj|gren

PrimeService  Stockholm
From: dmiller@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Dale Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: LOUTQM
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:04:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: pyrtech.9209021604.AA28630
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA


Kevin,

I have been seeing you name in the postings alot and was just wondering
what you are doing for WU. I live in Springfield about a mile from the
campus. I work for Pyramid (we have a Software Engineering office in
Beavercreek). Our number is 513-427-5215, give me a call sometime. It
is nice to know that someone here in the area has experience with 
Prime. 

Dale Miller
Manager, Database Engineering
Dayton, OH
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From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Subject: Re: TEST
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:41:04 GMT

WELL, THAT DIDNT WORK
From: boone@convex.cl.msu.edu (Dennis Boone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: Another One
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:33:10 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, East Lansing

>In article <9208271555.AA21467@usenet.rpi.edu>, R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508) writes:
>> There has been several names for PRIMOS prior to it becoming PRIMOS. Such
>> as PRIMOS III, PRIMOS IV, and PRIMOS. (PRIMOS II was for the single user
>> operating system).  This one goes way back.

Way back--20000 BC, according to one comment.  Oh wait, that was "touched
since 20000 BC..."

Dennis
--
 == If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. ==
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From: CHUCK@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk (Chuck Foster)
Subject: Copyright of Source
Reply-To: Chuck@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:35:01 GMT

Could someone please clarify the situation regarding the use of the PRIMOS
source in programs? I haven't had need to do this before, and would like to
check before I would do so.

I have been recently rewriting my command processing library so that it is
compatible with lower revisions (at present the earliest rev I am testing is
21.1.4). The first problem I encountered was that CL$MSG didn't exist at this
revision! Not wanting to use the source I just simply looked up the relevant
prompts from cldata, and then called exp$rdy() when the expand_prompt bit is
set (I am assuming that it would always be 0 for pre 23.1 systems :-)).

When I first started the library I had 22.1.3, which meant that there were no
expandable prompts. So I added that facility in, based on the info available
for 23.1 at that time (I was lazy though and scanned for %a% rather than %a
in the prompt :-)).

Now I would like to make it more compatible with what 23.1 introduces, so
that upgrades are 'clean' as regards the prompt. I am just checking as to
whether I am able to utilise the exp$rdy source directly, or must write my
own handler (my CL$MSG replacement turned out a bit smaller in the end!).

This would probably help other developers too, as well as myself I guess.

Thanks,

    Chuck
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From: mhjohnso@us.oracle.com (Mark H. Johnson)
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:01:01 GMT

Not so.

CMDNC0 was already present in 1972, long before Primos or even DOS/VM.  It also 
predates the Prime 400, first implementation of the architecture that became
50 Series, including rings.

Another reply, identifying CMDNC0 as Commands, non chargable, directory 0
is more like it.  CMDNC1 was used for overflow commands due to the
limited number of files possible in early DOS and Primos 
directories.

(Its been a while -- but as employee 13, I was there.)

Mark Johnson
From: trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: ancient history (was re: CMDNC0)
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:53:35 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com


   Kevin Cummings writes:
"Way back before search rules (which was rev 18?)."  Wasn't that rev 19? (or
19.4??)

   Anyhow, speaking of ancient history, what was the reason for
prohibiting the first character of a file name from being a numeral?
Is this reason, whatever it is, still valid?
-- 
Ed Trumbull <trumbull@unx.sas.com>      
SAS Institute, Inc.      SAS Campus Drive   Cary, NC    27513   USA    
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:57:59 GMT

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From: internet!Relay.Prime.COM!Blx-A.Prime.COM!Info-Prime
	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!J.BUSH (John Bush (PrimeService +1 508-620-2800 Voice x7068 Fax x5744))
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:55:32 EDT
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Info-Prime-ers,

Gosh, all these facts about Ye Olde Prymose Operaightinge Systeme.

And to think that I always thought that "CMDNC0" was the date
of the beginning of the Primos Epoch, in Roman Numerals.  I flunked
Latin while I was learning FTN.

Hey, how about passworded MFDs?  And if you forgot the password,
don't worry!  Contact your System Administrator, who knows the
value of the Universal Password in PRIMOS II -- ^Z^Y^X^W^V^U.

Whenever I typed that, it reminded me of "XYZZY".   I expected the
system to come back with,

      "YOU ARE INSIDE A BUILDING, A WELL HOUSE FOR A LARGE SPRING.
       THERE ARE SOME KEYS ON THE GROUND HERE.
       THERE IS A SHINY BRASS LAMP NEARBY.
       THERE IS A BOTTLE OF WATER HERE."

  OK.  LISTF

       "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT!"

As I recall, the PRIMOS IV prompt was "OK," and PRIMOS II was "OK."
(dot, not comma).  But ADVENTURE had no comma.  That's how I learned
to differentiate between the three environments, since I spent a
considerable amount of time in each.


Yours truly,
John Bush

PS:  START/STOP
     MASTER CLEAR
     0001100001001100
     RUN
     RUN

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:15:01 GMT

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From: internet!Relay.Prime.COM!Blx-A.Prime.COM!Info-Prime
	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:08:00 EDT
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LETS TRY IT WITHOUT PARENTHESIS'
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From: a.0013@VCC3.VCC.BC.CA (Jim Chivas  Vancouver Community College)
Subject: Re: Tuning
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:13:46 GMT

I DID CHECK THIS AND FOUND NOTHING INCORRECT. Perhaps I  may
send you a copy, I'll see. One thing that I did notice is that when I
do MSR -RPT at the console, I only get afew lines showing, but if I
open a como file and then do MSR -RPT and then spool this como file,
the como file has many lines showing the entries.
Comments
Jim

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Subject: Re: Tuning
To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: Lynn Charnitz (414-797-8512 Voicemail #3)  <LYNN@MD-MKW.Prime.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:02:16 +0700
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Jim,

Have you used MONITOR_SEARCH_RULES to verify that the sequencing of
searchrules in ENTRY$.SR is appropriate for your system?

Regards,

Lynn Charnitz
Prime - Brookfield, WI
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From: cummings@tiger1.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings)
Subject: Re: Primos Trekkies
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:30:26 GMT

In article <9208271805.AA25333@usenet.rpi.edu>, GOLDSTEIN@CSSS-A.Prime.COM writes:
> To:       Info-Prime mail list (info-prime@blx-a)
> From:     D. Miles Goldstein (Goldstein@Csss-A)
> Date:     27 Aug 92  2:00 PM
> Subject:  Primos Trekkies
> 
> > To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
> > From: Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666  <R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM>
> > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:46:20 EDT
> > Sender: ListServer@Blx-A.Prime.COM (Prime Netherlands ListServer v1.12)
> > Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
> >
> > For all of you PRIMOS trekkies.......
> >
> > Tell me the real story as to why Primos Rev 12 never made it to market.
> > I will give you a hint....Something about a "black-hole"
> 
> It didn't?  I thought that's where V-Mode was first introduced!
> And the "new" disk formatting!  (Rev 20 specifically said that
> it no longer supported pre-rev-12 style disks.)  I look forward
> to the answers ... :-}

Hmmm, now I gotta go look.  Wasn't SEG first released at rev13?  (Or was that
rev 11?????)  I got a PE-T around here somewhere that says that SEG is a temporary
engineering tool not to be released to customers and that a REAL V-mode loader
will be released to customers.  BIND didn't get released until rev 18 (rev 19.4 
as an actual real product and no longer just a qualified tool).  This is all 
before my time.  I came on board here right after rev 15.0 was released.  Got
sent to an Analysts class were Roland said they were running the "latest" released
version of PRIMOS, rev 14.  We got a good laugh out of that one!  I guess it has
always taken a bit of time before the rest of the world gets our new releases
after we release them!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: hunger@hitech.com (Henry Unger)
Subject: INFO/BASIC GCI pointers
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:25:37 GMT

The difference between a short pointer and a long pointer is that a short
pointer points to a word (16 bit) aligned structure, whereas a long pointer
points to a bit aligned structure.  The INFO/BASIC GCI will always align its
argument lists on word boundaries, and use a short pointer.  By the way, the
PL1 inserts can be used with the SPL compiler.
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