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From:         "STEVEN T. HARDY--GALLAUDET UNIVERSITY" <12SHARDY@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: information on II Latin American Congress

>
>Have you or those who organize this convention informed NAD (National
>Assoc. of the Deaf) or AGB (Alexander G. Bell Assoc. of the Deaf)?
>If not I strongly suggest you to send a flyer or brochere to their office
>as they are widely regonized by many all over the world.
>Good luck, Paul Daniels <LND@NIHCU.BITNET>


You might also wish to send a notice to Deaf Life, Silent News, the NAD Broad
caster, the Buff and Blue (Gallaudet's newspaper), Gallaudet Today, and people
at NTID and CSUN.

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Steven Thomas Hardy                     Was mich nicht umbringt,
12SHARDY@GALLUA.BITNET                     macht mich starker
School Psychology Program
Gallaudet University
800 Florida Ave, NE                     202/651-5540 v/t
Washington DC 20002                     202/651-5747 fax
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From:         ELKINS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Introduction and Question

Hi Alecia....welcome aboard.
In San Francisco there is a dept./section for the deaf.  The two
librarians sign for the deaf clients.  One is deaf and one is normal
hearing.  There is funding for both the librarians and I often visit
this dept.  They have a great collection of materials on deaf issues
and these two signers are most helpful.  If you are interested in
pursuing competency in signing, why not try it and find out for yourself?
Bob Elkins elkins@axe.humboldt.edu
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From:         Henry Adler <adler@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      sign language in library

Re: learning sign language for library purposes (or whatever it is)

Alecia, I think you should be listening to your heart, not to other people
who discouraged (or tried to) learning sign language.  I say, go for it!
Sign language may be useful in your future profession!  Good luck.


Yours,

Henry

adler@mscf.med.upenn.edu
From: wilcox@triton.unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox)
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Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:42:43 GMT
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In article <01GTRB6BTEMQ8Y7PL7@gallua.bitnet> "Keith Watt - Gallaudet Dept. of Education" <11CWATT@GALLUA.BITNET> writes:
>>BUT, GEE, YOU CAN'T PUT A PC IN YOUR PURSE OR BRIEFCASE, CAN YOU?!
>
>Sure you can! The PC I'm on now measures 8 1/2" x 11" x 1.75" (21.6 cm x
>27.9 cm x 4.4 cm - I think).  It's called, appropriately enough, a notebook
>computer and has a built-in FAX/ASCII modem (no tty, though).
>
>Wonders of modern technology...
>

Oh gee... I can't let this one go by. I and several others (including
Patrick Graybill of NTD fame, Dennis Cokely, William Stokoe, etc.) are
fast at work on a project to produce a multimedia dictionary of ASL.
It'll be a bilingual dictionary -- enter an English word and it'll
return a (list of) ASL words, or you can also do an ASL-to-English
search ("I saw a sign that looked like this ... tell me what it was,
possible English translations, etc."). Not to mention definitions (how
many so-called ASL dictionaries have them?) -- real definitions of the
ASL, usage, regional variation, synonyms and antonyms, etc.

The display of ASL signs will not be those old, static line drawings
with noodles of arrows are over -- it'll be color "movies" of Patrick
actually signing to you. 

And (finally to my follow-up point): all of this will run on a *color* 
notebook computer the size that Keith described. Yup! Carry an
ASL-English dictionary around with you in your briefcase. The benefit
of Pat Graybill's knowledge of ASL semantics and Dennis Cokely's of
ASL-English translation at your fingertips.

Yes, technology is grand!

Sherman Wilcox
Sign Media/Linstok Press, Inc.
2820 Central SE Suite D-2
Albuquerque, NM 87106
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From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: Teacher asks for help - again
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:41:33 GMT

In article <DEAF-L%93012017303115@SIUCVMB.BITNET> /PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM writes:
> <"EGJD-5609-2642/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>
>Angeli...something to think about a bit more...do you see yourself as a
>'betweener' in limbo between the hearing world and the deaf world, or as
>someone who is bicultural/bilingual and able to move rather well between
>the two?

Interesting question, but I'd still have to consider myself a betweener.
The reason is that I'm not too proficent in ASL...I can follow some
ASL but I find it hard to speak in ASL, since my mind's language switch
is stuck on "ENGLISH". On the other hand, I can't read lips or speak too
well, so my role in the hearing world is somewhat limited.


--
Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt (pepper@shell.portal.com)

"If nobody else was violent, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with
just a butter knife." - Dogbert
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From:         Bob Weinstock <RBWEINSTOCK@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the new Gallaudet University Press 1993 Catalog

The message below is from Dan Wallace, marketing coordinator for
Gallaudet University Press.  It should answer Ms. Paris's question.

From:   GALLUA::DCWALLACE    22-JAN-1993 14:55:39.11
To:     RBWEINSTOCK
CC:
Subj:   catalog photo opps.

Bob,
        Answers to questions about our new catalog:
        If she means the photo on the cover of the catalog,
        the artist oriented it that way, although it was taken
        from a reflection in a pond, which means that in fact the
        photo could have been taken from below the pond, and therefore
        is right side up, or from above, which means that it has been
        turned around by the photographer.
        My guess is that he took it from below the pond, with the real
        house at the top.  Otherwise, he'd have to take the photo at
        an angle to keep his own reflection out of the photo.
        It is on the cover of the book, on the backside, though much
        smaller than on the catalog (about three times smaller).
        If she means the photo on the cover of the book, it's right
        side up -- the plant is growing up a plank of wood.  Neither
        photo is in the interior of the book.  For more information,
        the photographer (also a contributor to the book) is Willy
        Conley.  The book has received excellent reviews, by the way
        from Publishers Weekly, Booklist, and Library Journal.  In my
        own humble opinion, it's the best we've ever done.
                                                        Dan
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From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@RAYSSD.SSD.RAY.COM>
Subject:      Re: the new Gallaudet University Press 1993 Catalog

OK, what I want to know is:

        - is the picture on the front cover printed upside down?
        - or did the artist mean the picture to be that way?
        - does the photo from the front cover of the catalog appear
          in the book, and if so, is it oriented the same way as it
          is on the front cover of the catalog?

I think it IS raining in my office!
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Esther Paris, Raytheon EDL, Marlborough, MA esther@demand.ed.ray.com
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From:         "Natalie M Grupido" <grupidon@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Observer turns biographer...
              Jan 27, 93 4:00 pm

Welcome to the Deaf List,

I am a grad. student majoring in both Deaf Education and Deaf/Blind here at
Michigan State University.  Best of luck to you during your undergrad. years
at WMU and maybe someday, we will bump into each other at MSU!

Enjoy your adventures with the D-L!

Natalie Grupido
> > Well, now that
I've mentioned bit.listserv.deaf-l to my Sign Language
I > class, I should probably stop "lurking" and actually post a bio... :)
>
> My name is Gail Celio, and I'm a senior at Western Michigan University,
> majoring in biology with emphasis on botany, and minoring in math and
> chemistry.  I am hearing, but I have some Deaf friends, as well as hearing
> friends who enjoy sign language.  Like I said, I am taking S.L. I now,
> and when I (hopefully!) go to grad school at Michigan State Univeristy,
> I'll continue my sign classes at Lansing Community College (I've heard
> they have a good interpreters' program).
>         I enjoy science-fiction and fantasy, writing fiction, soccer,
> playing--er, working on computers, and collecting comics.  Ten years
> from now, I hope to be breeding awesome-looking plants, as well as owning
> all the issues of "Excalibur".  ;)
>
> --
> Gail Celio, Western Michigan University, Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, Earth.
>         *               *               *               *               *
> Any opinions stated are clearly not those of Western Michigan University--
>    Or is that, "Any opinions stated clearly are not those of Western Michigan
>       University"?...
>
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From:         Dawn Skwersky <skwersky@ACS.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TTY noise?

In Massachusetts.. they give free TTY's and 2 free phone
flashers to every deaf person in the state.


Dawn
From: LCSOUZA@BRLNCC.BITNET ((Mr.) Luiz Carlos SOUZA)
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Subject: information on II Latin American Congress
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:24:15 GMT
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Dear friends,
My name is Luiz Carlos SOUZA (Mr.). I am a post-graduate student at
the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (Linguistics). I have been
studying Language and Deafness (Reading and Deafness) for 10 years.
Preliminary information about the "II Latin American Congress on
Bilingualism (Sign Language - Oral Language) for the Deaf"
Period: from 12 to 17 September 1993.
Place: Department of Linguistics and Filology - Faculty of Letters -
Federal University of Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
Call for papers: for further information please contact me:LCSOUZA@BRLNCC.
President of the organizing committee: Prof. Dr. Lucinda FERREIRA BRITO (Mrs.)
Address of the organizing committee for further information:
Caixa Postal 16.285 - Largo do Machado - Rio de Janeiro - RJ
CEP 22.222-970 - Brazil.
I would like to know other lists. I have subscribed to this list DEAF-L and to
SLLING-L.
                                    Yours,
                               Luiz Carlos SOUZA (Mr.)
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From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@RAYSSD.SSD.RAY.COM>
Subject: Re: TTY noise?

I've wondered it myself and I'm sure that others on the list have
a technical response.  However, I've connected mine directly to
the phone line and don't hear the beeps any more at all (unless
I pick up an extension phone and listen to the TTY conversation.  ha ha)

BTW, who gets the TDI newsletter?  I like the new proposed abbreviation
and I think I'll adopt it: TTP which stands for That Telephone Thing.
With a little practice, it'll be as easy to spell as TTY... easier, even!
That's because only three fingers are involved.

Doesn't the answer to the question involve something about the tones
being in the same bandwidth as voice?  Or is it raining in my office
and I'm all wet?

Esther Paris at Raytheon EDL in Marlborough, MA
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Subject: Re: FYI

 <"KGJD-5610-8708/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>

Explanation to people who think I echo!  As i was sending an earlier message
about TTY's in the US and Finland my line was suddenly disconnected and I did
not think my message went thru and didn't have time to recompose until today.
But now the first one has been commented on by Bryce (thanks) so I realize
the first effort was good but you see the second one, too.  Ah such deathless
prose!
Judy
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From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: TTY noise?
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:59:51 GMT

In article <9301241107.AA01871@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU> writes:

>My last roommate was a Deaf grad student at BC.  He couldn't afford
>to by one, so he borrowed one from his girlfriend ... a "Superphone"
>that looked like it was made in the 1960's.

Hmpf! Those Superphones may look quaint (I used to have one) but they were
the best TDD's ever made in my humble opinion. That's because they had a
*regular* keyboard with the same feel as that of an IBM Selectric typewriter.
While they werne't exactly portable, you could type for hours and hours on
those darned things. (Which I have done so on several occasions. :-)

Sigh...egronomics (sp?) definitely is *not* a concept that many TDD makers
have ever grasped. Nor industrial design, for that matter...let's face it,
many TDD's and related items for the deaf (such as doorbell monitors) are
ugly-looking. :-)

--
Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt (pepper@shell.portal.com)

"If nobody else was violent, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with
just a butter knife." - Dogbert
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From:         David James <ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Fitting in (was: Teacher asks, etc.)

Angelique N Wahlstedt <pepper@SHELL.PORTAL.COM>:
  ...But I've never quite fit in many deaf communities for various
  reasons...but I don't quite fit in the "hearie" world, either
  (despite the fact that I have hearing friends and almost always
  have hearing boyfriends).

Angeli, would you be willing to tell me and the list a little more
about what you mean when you say you "don't quite fit in the 'hearie'
world"?

I've been (or at least felt like) a misfit at times, but it's never
seemed to have anything to do with my deafness. The world is a huge
and diverse place, after all, and precious few people (hearing or
deaf) fit in _everywhere_.

--David James
ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:09:04 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      This is for Roy Miller and Paula Tucker (personal)

...and I am asking for apology of the others for occupying their net
bandwidth.

Hello Roy and Paula,
Several days ago I sent each you an E-mail on subjects of no interest
to the discussion list.  I even did resend the letters few days later.
  However I got no response and I am afraid that
the letters got lost in the way to you.  So I am trying again by means
of this discussion list, because I know for sure that what I post into
it does reach it.
Can you please let me know whether you received the letters and whether
you answered me privately.
                             Thanks and sorry for the bother,
                                                           --- Omer
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From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      TTY noise?
              25 Jan 1993 01:59:51 GMT <9301250208.AA06462@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

    Hmpf! Those Superphones may look quaint (I used to have one) but they
    were the best TDD's ever made in my humble opinion. That's because
    they had a *regular* keyboard with the same feel as that of an IBM
    Selectric typewriter.

This is true.  They also are both Baudot- and ASCII-compatible.  I even
tried logging into Athena from a Superphone, but for some reason, I
couldn't get very far.  Maybe there was too much background noise.
--
I wish I could speak for my boss, but I'm not a Sign Language Interpreter.
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu> ... learning ctr 4 deaf children
From: wilcox@triton.unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox)
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Subject: Re:      Re: FYI
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:31:41 GMT
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Rita --

Thank you so much for the kind words about American Deaf Culture. I
truly appreciate the feedback.

Regarding your summer ASL course: Have you seen the latest catalog
from Sign Media/Linstok Press? Two new books are being offered this
spring that may interest you: Susan Rutherford's interesting book on
American Deaf Folklore, and Barbara Kannapell's excellent book,
Language Choice and Identity. Both would be perfect reading for your
class. 

Thanks again!

Sherman Wilcox
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From:         "Natalie M Grupido" <grupidon@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Space Rangers, Episode 2, Deaf Character/Deaf Actor?
              "/PN=MARVIN.MILLER/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM" at
              Jan 26, 93 9:13 pm

Marvin,

Yes, I am extremely interested in receiving a complimentary copy of your
Michigander newspaper.  Below, you shall find my address---I look forward
to browzing through the newspaper.

A Michigander,

Natalie Grupido
103 East Owen Hall
Michigan State University
East Lansing, Michigan  48825-1109
>
>  <"KGJD-5618-8790/36"*/PN=MARVIN.MILLER/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.c
om
>  >
>
>
> Uh, ignore the subject heading...
>
> I habe    ve noticed several "Michiganders" hav   logging on Deaf-L,
> and I want to take this opportunity to shamelessly
> advertise and promote "The Deaf Michigander" newspaper,
> which is a new n monthly (16 page, 11 inches by 17 inches)
> publication devoting to news relating to deaf and hard
> of hearing community.
>
> If anyone is interesti ed, just give me your name and address
> and I will send you a complimentary copy.
>
> The rate is $22 a year.
>
> Some comments on The Deaf Michigander:
>
> "Makes NAD Broadcaster look like a church paper."
> -(Anonymous) Director of Public Relations at Gallaudet
>
> "vr  Very impressiuve   ve."
> -Tom Willard of The Silent NEws   ews
>
> "We have read the newspawe  per and we are very impressed with
> it. The Deaf Michigander provides information in a very
> newsy and attractive format."
> -Grand President of N.F.S.D. Robert Anderson
>
> And many more has written to us about it. Don't miss
> this opportunity to catch a glimpse of a new newspaper.
>
> *Shameless A Self_promotion Mode now Off*
>
> Thank you,
> Marvin Miller
>
> (313) 354-5559 TTY
> DeafTek: Th  Deaf, .Michigander
>
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Subject:      RE: Question: new Gallaudet University Press 1993 Catalog

 <"CGJD-5615-8872/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>

Having been in Spain recently amongst many deaf people (I am deaf myself)
I can assure you that the sign languages in Spain and the U.S. are very
different.  If I couldhave your address (e-mail and post) I have information
and material to share.
Judy Tingley, 450 Science Drive, Madison Wisconsin 53711
From: domingo+@CS.CMU.EDU (Domingo Gallardo)
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Subject: Question: new Gallaudet University Press 1993 Catalog
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:40:40 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University


Hi, folks!

I'd be very gratefull if some of you tell me some address to 
order the new Gallaudet University Press 1993 Catalog. 

I just arrived to USA (from Spain) and I'm anxious to learn things 
about how deaf people live here. I am not deaf, but I have a brother
that is. By the way, does someone know if the american sign language
is very different from the one in Spain? (My brother is already planning
a trip to here this summer!)

Thanks a lot! Nice to meet all of you!


Domingo Gallardo
Computer Science Departament
Carnegie Mellon University
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:15:12 EST
From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@DEMAND.ED.RAY.COM>
Subject:      the new Gallaudet University Press 1993 Catalog

Has anyone else received this new Gallaudet University Press (1993)
catalog yet?  If so, send me email as I want to ask you a question
about the catalog itself.  Also, does anyone have the new book called
_No_Walls_of_Stone_, an anthology of literature and art by Deaf and
Hard of Hearing contributors?  Or if you don't have it, have you seen
it?  I also have a question about it.
--
Is it 10:53 yet?
Esther Paris, Raytheon EDL, Marlborough, MA   esther@demand.ed.ray.com
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:10:28 EST
From:         RSJ@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Introduction

Hello, My name is Janean Eskin.  I have been on the list
for a year now and have not responded to any messages..
mainly because I am lousy at working on the computer.  But,
I had my friend, who is on the list actively, Paul Daniels
who is Deaf, walk me through the procedures, once and for all.
I am a personnel specialist with the Federal gov't. and have
taken several courses in ASL at Catonsville Community College

and one at Gallaudet.  I used to work for the State gov't.
as an employment counselor and met many Deaf people who were
looking for jobs.  During my career there, I was able to pick up
sign language with the help of my clients.  Now my sign skills have
diminished, but I do interract with Paul and interpret for him
on occasion for meetings and the like.  I am 31 years old, recently
married and enjoy reading, travelling, cooking, foreign films, etc.
I'll try to send this now to see if I am successful.
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