HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: josh@foglet.rutgers.edu (J Storrs Hall)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Clinton on Economics (transcript of speech)
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:11:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) writes:

(about ice machines)
>No labor and nature produced the machine.

>It is not that CAPITAL INVESTMENT produced the machine.

>Capital investment doesn't produce anything.

>A machine is producing ice - the machine is a machine not a 
>CAPITAL INVESTMENT. 

Think again, please.  A machine is the very epitome of a capital
investment.  Suppose you live on a farm.  You have a choice: every
time you need a bucket of water, you can walk half a mile to the
nearest stream, cup your hands, and walk back trying not to spill
the water; alternatively you could spend a day's work making a
bucket out of whatever natural materials you had available, and
bring back a bucketful of water for the same effort in the future.

If you were even more ambitious, you could dig a well, weave a rope,
and save the walk entirely.  Ultimately, you might build a windmill
and a pump and have a regular supply of water delivered automatically
to you with minimal further effort on your part.

Now please notice that there is NO TRADE whatsoever in the above 
scenarios. You will do all the labor involved, yourself, whichever
alternative you choose.  EVERY choice involves only labor and nature;
the only difference is how much extra labor you are willing to do 
at the start to save yourself labor later on.

Doing extra labor now to save labor later on is called "capital 
investment".  Sometimes the early extra labor takes the form of
building machines.  Sometimes it takes the form of learning skills.
Whether the person who does the early labor is the same as the one
who does the later labor is completely irrelevant.  "Capital 
investment" is simply the term we use to describe the situation 
where someone -- anyone -- does extra work beforehand to reduce 
the amount of work needed afterwards, to produce the same amount
of goods.

-j
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: Black Hole Economics (was: Re: DEBT vs. DEFICIT)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.210940.13578@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>Actually, with respect to the US, this is untrue.  Federal government
>surpluses are by no means, unknown.  In fact, they were quite common
>between the civil war and the the turn of the century.

Surpluses ended with the onset of World War II and the Cold War (except for a
couple during Eisenhower and Nixon).

After that, it was: Balanced Budget and Interest = Deficit.  Debt.  Balanced
Budget and bigger Interest = Deficit.  Bigger Debt.  Surplus break.  Balanced
Budget and even bigger Interest = even bigger Deficit.   Even Bigger Debt.
Another surplus break.  Balanced Budget and even bigger Interest.  Large
Deficit. Faster growing Debt.

And now the 1990's.  Balanced Budget and Whopping $400 billion interest!  Huge
Deficit!  Rapidly growing Debt.  Even bigger Interest.  Even bigger Deficits.
Even more rapidly growing Debt.

It's Black Hole Economics!

A third the American taxpayer money is getting sucked up in interest now,
which is accumulating into the hands of the creditors, causing all of our
Wealth to be sopped up by a few rich people.  Excellent idea.  Can I have in
on the farce too before the jig is up?  I wanna make a quick million and then
leave the country before the Pyramid scheme falls.

Hell, we've always had a balanced budget, after WWII.  But Congress kept
forgetting to pay the interest!
From: jaime@imag.fr (Jaime Sichman)
Newsgroups: fnet.general
Subject: Cherche email DEC a Paris
Summary: ftp sites
Keywords: DEC a Paris
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:20:06 GMT
Distribution: fnet
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Originator: jaime@cosmos


Est-ce que quelqu'un sait l'email du labo de recherche de
DEC a Paris? J'ai un copain que veut recuperer un rapport
sur ce site.

L'addresse qu'on a c'est  prl.dec.com, mais il ne marche pas.

Merci 

Jaime
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jaime@lifia.imag.fr  bureau : 131  tel: +33 76574807  fax: +33 76574602
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From: pierre@imag.fr (Pierre LAFORGUE)
Newsgroups: fnet.general
Subject: Re: Cherche email DEC a Paris
Keywords: DEC a Paris
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:46:06 GMT
Distribution: fnet
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <1992Aug27.092006.14448@imag.fr>, jaime@imag.fr (Jaime Sichman) writes:
|> Est-ce que quelqu'un sait l'email du labo de recherche de
|> DEC a Paris? J'ai un copain que veut recuperer un rapport
|> sur ce site.
|> 
|> L'addresse qu'on a c'est  prl.dec.com, mais il ne marche pas.

La question porte sans doute sur la recherche d'un nom de personne ayant une
boite aux lettres car "prl.dec.com" est parfaitement accessible depuis partout.
prl.dec.com mail is handled by decuac.dec.com
prl.dec.com mail is handled by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com
prl.dec.com mail is handled by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com
prl.dec.com mail is handled by decprl.prl.dec.com

Lorsque decprl.prl.dec.com est HS, il y a donc d'autres relais indiques par DEC
en MX-records. Voici un exemple de session SMTP ou inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com a pris
le relais de decprl.prl.dec.com :
...
050 <essai@prl.dec.com>... Connecting to decprl.prl.dec.com (TCP)...
050 <essai@prl.dec.com>... Connecting to inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (TCP)...
050 220 inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com King James Sendmail 5.65/vix-inetgw-30may91
ready at Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:34:43 -0700
...
050 <essai@prl.dec.com>... Sent
250 Ok
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From: baujard@imag.fr (Olivier Baujard)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,eunet.misc,misc.misc
Subject: Accommodations in Manchester
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:42:46 GMT
Followup-To: fnet.general
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

-- 

Hi,

I have to work as a postdoctoral student in Manchester (UK) from November 1992
to April 1993 and I'm looking for accommodations. Any proposal (bedsitter,
self-contained or shared furnished flat or house, ...) is of interest.

Thanks in advance,

Olivier

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Olivier Baujard   TIM3/RFMQ Cermo
                  BP 53X
                  38041 GRENOBLE CEDEX FRANCE

Tel: 33 76 51 48 13 ou 33 76 51 46 00 poste 34 00
Fax: 33 76 51 49 48
Email: baujard@imag.imag.fr
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Newsgroups: fnet.general
From: wilcock@evtdd1.enet.dec.com (John Wilcock)
Subject: Re: Cherche email DEC a Paris
Keywords: DEC a Paris
Reply-To: wilcock@evtdd1.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Evry, France.
Distribution: fnet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:24:56 GMT


In article <38958@imag.imag.fr>, pierre@imag.fr (Pierre LAFORGUE) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.092006.14448@imag.fr>, jaime@imag.fr (Jaime
>Sichman) writes:
>|> Est-ce que quelqu'un sait l'email du labo de recherche de
>|> DEC a Paris? J'ai un copain que veut recuperer un rapport
>|> sur ce site.
>|> 
>|> L'addresse qu'on a c'est  prl.dec.com, mais il ne marche pas.
>
>La question porte sans doute sur la recherche d'un nom de personne
>ayant une
>boite aux lettres car "prl.dec.com" est parfaitement accessible depuis
>partout.
>...

Si tu connais le nom de la personne, mais pas le nom de sa boite aux lettres,
je peux essayer de te le trouver dans ELF (Employee Locator Facility, le
bottin electronique de DEC).

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From: wolf@ensta.ensta.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: fnet.test
Subject: Planquez-vous ca va degager...
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:02:15 GMT
Organization: Ensta, Paris, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: ensta.ensta.fr

Combien de tonnes de riz faut-il pour nourrir les zozios du coin?
(en passant:  ceci n'est pas un test,  ni plus d'ailleurs INN 1.0).
From: falzon@faust.inria.fr (Frederic Falzon)
Newsgroups: fnet.seminaires
Subject: Expose ONDELETTES . O.Rioul
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:55:33 GMT
Reply-To: frederic.falzon@sophia.inria.fr
Distribution: fnet
Organization: Inria Sophia Antipolis
Jour: indetermine'
Lieu: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis


 Olivier Rioul (CNET Issy-les-Moulineaux) viendra a l'INRIA (date a preciser 
mais certainement premiere semaine d'octobre) faire un expose sur les 
Ondelettes.

 Il abordera particulierement la transformee en Ondelettes discrete en 
mettant en evidence certains points importants concernant la realisation 
de filtres discrets. 

 Voici un resume de son expose :

Ondelettes discretes et applications en traitement du signal et des images.
==========================================================================

Cet expose fait le point sur les liens entre la theorie des ondelettes
et des techniques similaires du codage d'images ou de la parole
(banc de filtres, codage pyramidal).
A cette fin, la transformee en ondelettes est presentee d'un point de
vue discret, en se basant sur des notions d'echelle et de resolution.
Puis on presente quelques idees et developpements nouveaux apportes
par la theorie des ondelettes et quelques sujets d'actualite.
 - nouveau critere de regularite pour le calcul des filtres "ondelettes"
 permettant d'utiliser des ondelettes "adoucies",
- paquets d'ondelettes ou la decomposition spectrale est adaptative,
- decompositions en fractions d'octave ou l'on pourrait integrer certaines
 proprietes de l'audition
- lien fort existant entre analyse et compression dans les decompositions 
en ondelettes.
La plupart ne sont pas encore pleinement exploites dans les systemes
de compression ou d'analyse et leur interet reste pour l'instant
hypothetique, bien que prometteur.
==========================================================================


 Les gens interresses sont pries de me le faire savoir par mail (ou un autre 
moyen). 
 Ceci dans le but de reserver une salle de capacite suffisante. Merci d'avance.


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Newsgroups: lou.sun
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: What's broken now?
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:23:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.135315.24630@mongrel.uucp> amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn) writes:
>I take it from the paltry dribblings of news that something
>is broken again.  
>Anybody have any ideas what exactly, who, where, why and most
>importantly, when it might come back to life?

We have indeed been getting intermittent dribbles from uunet.ca,
but I won't waste anyone's time with numerous possible speculations.

I have inquired, and presumably that will either get things back to
normal or provide some explanation to post.

		--ed
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: some mail/news delays
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 04:04:52 GMT


The hardware problems previously mentioned persist.  New equipment
is reported on the way and is expected by the end of the week.  News
will continue in a trickle and IP routed mail will be held for as
long as necessary.  UUCP traffic is unaffected except where it needs
to traverse the IP link.

		--ed
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: What's broken now?
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada
Distribution: kw
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 13:53:15 GMT


I take it from the paltry dribblings of news that something
is broken again.  

Anybody have any ideas what exactly, who, where, why and most
importantly, when it might come back to life?

Inquiring minds with no news to read want to know!


Andy
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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
Subject: Re: xenitec Sun Aug 23 1992 UUtraffic
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:28:28 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

uucp@xenitec.on.ca (UUCP administrator) writes:

> Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
> SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
> -------- --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
>[...]
> zswamp      34.312    14.964    49.276   0.01   0.00   684  1990   12   14
                                                              ^^^^

 ... and that with a T1000!

   Lord, I *love* XFERSTATS...

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: xenitec Sun Aug 23 1992 UUtraffic
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:27:15 GMT

In article <6X65PB4w165w@zswamp.UUCP> geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh) writes:
>uucp@xenitec.on.ca (UUCP administrator) writes:
>
>> Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
>> SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
>> -------- --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
>> zswamp      34.312    14.964    49.276   0.01   0.00   684  1990   12   14
>
> ... and that with a T1000!
>
>   Lord, I *love* XFERSTATS...

I love lack of statistical accuracy inherent in small file transfers.

		--ed
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
Subject: Re: xenitec Sun Aug 23 1992 UUtraffic
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 19:47:17 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:

> I love lack of statistical accuracy inherent in small file transfers.

   Perhaps I should write something which compiles zswamp's transfer logs into 
something for kw.news.stats; the software here seems unaffected by this 
mathematical anomaly. <grin>

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
Newsgroups: kw.housing,kw.forsale
From: gchen@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Gemai Chen)
Subject: looking for a shared room
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:20:49 GMT

I am looking for a shared room in MSA, starting
September, 1992. Please call me at 888-4512 or
e-mail me at "gchen@watstat". Thanks.
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: bie@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Clark Y. Bie)
Subject: Roommate Wanted
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:42:48 GMT

A fully furnished room is available in a 2-bedroom MSA apartment.
Temporary parking is also available. If interested, please call
888-0111 between 6:00pm and 7:30pm or email to this account.

Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: swang@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Steven) 
Subject: Room for rent
Originator: swang@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:54:55 GMT

One bedroom in two bedroom Apt. is available.

5-7 min. walking to CPH of UW.

$295/m (including utilities) start any day and end before Oct. 31, 1992
If much shorter than full month(s), $12/d.

Fully furnished bedroom with waterbed.
 
746-1284 with answering machine

Newsgroups: kw.housing,uw.general
From: anderson@crypto2.uwaterloo.ca (Bill Anderson)
Subject: Nice Big Room for Rent - Sept 92
Originator: anderson@crypto2.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:47:36 GMT

I have a really nice, large, upstairs room to rent in a three
bedroom townhouse.

Located at University and Westmount - really close to school
and shopping.

Non-smokers only please.  Grad or senior student preferred.

Rent is $250/month.

Please call Bill Anderson at 747-1931.
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: mvselst@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Van Selst)
Subject: 1/2 townhouse @ univ & westmount
Keywords: rent housing female
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:20:35 GMT

re
share two bedroom touwn house at university & westmount (_really_
close to campus near minota hagey / humanities /... ) with female 
graduate student.  rent / utilities reasonable.

available NOW.  call Kathy at 725-7764.  more details on housing
board.


Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general
From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
Subject: Re: Warning: notorious Nazi apologist headed our way
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:00:45 GMT

In article <Btv0FL.ou@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Crispin) writes:
>In article <Btuux0.HH4@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit) writes:
>>I welcome honest researchers with controversial views.  I don't generally
>>welcome hate-mongers, liars, and convicted criminals.  Irving is all three.
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I agree with everything that Jeff has said except for the above indicated item.
>Many "convicted criminals" have reformed and are now productive members of our
>society and I am sure the University community. Being convicted of a crime does
>not make you an evil person who should be an outcast. It doesn't even mean you
>are actually guilty as the Donald Marshall case revealed.
>
>Richard Crispin
>Department of Psychology    email:rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca
>Univeristy of Waterloo            psych@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
>Waterloo, Ontario           phone:(519)888-4781  or 885-1211 ext. 4781
>Canada   N2L 3G1            fax:(519)746-8631

That's why I said "generally", Richard--precisely to exclude those that
have "reformed".  

Jeff Shallit
Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general
From: k2cheung@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (William Cheung)
Subject: Need a ride to Toronto International Airport
Keywords: No luggage
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: uw
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:49:30 GMT

  I need a ride to the airport on Wednesday, at least to a nearby subway stop.
I just want to meet someone there, so there will be no bulky luggage. Look
forward to your reply.
William Cheung.
k2cheung@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general,ont.general
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Re: Enoughs Enough (was Re: Warning: notorious Nazi...)
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Distribution: uw
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:52:16 GMT

In article <BtpKwr.J68@math.uwaterloo.ca> mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF]) writes:
>You can't go around trying to convince people that you are a licensed
>electronics repair person, which I imagine is the best analogy.  That would
>be misleading, because it's not true, right?

	I would never say I was an licenced electronics repair person.  I
do not have a licence.  I would, however, say that I was an electronics
repair person.  It is unfortunate that a certificate is so subtaintial.  I
do understand why this is.  Too bad there isn't a better system.

brett maraldo

 
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Newsgroups: kw.general
From: pasalvin@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A. Salvini)
Subject: Blue Jays - Got any neat slogans?
Originator: pasalvin@maytag.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:50:53 GMT

Anyone out there have any creative talents? I am going to the Jays game
on Wednesday -- I have a banner half done.  What I need now is a
catchy (pun inteneded) slogan to go on the other half.

Got any ideas?  

Please post - or email to derwin@mach2.wlu.ca

Thanks.
Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general
From: esutherl@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (EC Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Interested in learning how to play bridge?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:04:56 GMT

The Univerisity of Waterloo Bridge Club presents....

		Intermediate Bridge Lessons 


Starting in late September Intermediate bridge lessons will be offered
for anyone interested. The time and place will be determined at a later time.
The course is taught by an Accredited teacher, and is available for only $15 
to all undergrads, and $20 for Faculty and grad students.

So what do you get with your payment??

A study guide to help you along with the lessons. 
A T-shirt saying you are a real bridge player
The bug to make you play more and more.

How do you get involved with this incredible program?

Just e-mail me, Eric Sutherland at esutherland@descartes.uwaterloo.edu

Space is limited so reply today.


 


-- 
I was here but now I'm gone.
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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general,ont.general
Subject: Re: Enoughs Enough (was Re: Warning: notorious Nazi...)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:04:40 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF]) writes:

> You can't go around trying to convince people that you are a licensed
> electronics repair person, which I imagine is the best analogy.  That would
> be misleading, because it's not true, right?

   I'm with Brett on this one: "formal training" is no measure of competence;
I've seen accredited incompetents and unrecognized genius.

   I will only mention that our institutions of higher education are as 
susceptible to self-enforcing 'correctness' as any other entity.

   If you're going to challenge this guy, do it on grounds other than the lack 
of letters after his name.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
"Feel for the winter but don't have a cold heart" - Little River Band, "Lady"
Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general,ont.general