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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:59:52 GMT-0500
From:         Dan Johnston <dan@MOSSY.NEUSC.BCM.TMC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Calendar Software

I have something called Calendoscope by stained glass software,
sunnyvale CA (408 249-3337).  It is great, but I'm not sure it is
sold anymore.  I think it is the best calender software I have seen
on any platform.  good luck.

dan
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:06:44 EDT
From:         jon@AFS.COM
Subject:      3.0 PR2 - 3.0 Upgrade problems

Has anyone else had problems upgrading from PR2 to 3.0? The upgrade
app crashes on my cube after it gets the bill-of-materials together.

I'm running:

Next Cube 040 (upgraded)
200 Meg HD
40 Meg HD
Optical Drive
16 Megs Ram

Any ideas?
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:18:48 EDT
From:         Bob Snyder <rsnyder@HANNIBAL.ATL.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail
              7, 92 4:11 pm

Stefano Pagiola comments:

>But NeXTMail should NOT be encouraged on this mailing list, since it
>is always mutilated by the gateways.  EVERYBODY gets it trashed,
>whether they're reading it on a NeXT or not.  So until that problem
>is resolved, avoid NeXTMail on this mailing list.

Even if or when that problem is resaolved, still don't send MeXTmail to the
list.  There are people on here that perfer to read their mail elsewhere,
can't get external mail to their NeXT, or don't have constant access to the
console to be able to see your nifty fonts and sounds.

Bob
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:21:10 EDT
From:         michael@AFS.COM
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail

>As one who has occasionally been guilty of sending out this type of message, I
>think this is would be the most appropriate plan of attack for NeXTMail ->
>NeXTMail messages, otherwise, look for the big triangle around the mailbox on
>the 'deliver' button and think twice before clicking it

Here's a question:  My default to send is Non-NeXT mail.  If I choose NeXT mail,
then enter only text (no font changes, no attachments, etc.), does the message
get encoded or not?  Mail does not put the big triangle in the Deliver button if
I only enter text into a NeXT mail message.

I'm sending one copy of this message as Non-NeXT mail.  I will send an identical
copy as NeXT mail, but with only text, in a single font, and with no
attachments.  My theory is that they will come through identically, except for
the line following this paragraph, which is intentionally different.  Somebody
let me know what happens; I have no real way to test this here.

>>> This is the Non-NeXT mail version. <<<

Thanx,
Michael
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      War

From: Allan Needell

Jim,

I haven't found a source for your inscription but another paragraph in a
similar vein.

"Still, the specter of war should not paralyze as does the glare of the cobra.
To intrigue and deception there is now added the weapon of terror in the
armament of those who would dominate. All these weapons must be resisted in
the uneasy days of peace. Strength cannot be built in unreasoning fear, and
strength is essential to prevent a holocaust. Fear cannot be banished, but it
can be calm and without panic, and it can be mitigated by reason and
evaluation. A new great war would not end the progress of civilization, even
in the days of the riven atom, even with the threat of disease marshaled for
conquest.... A great war would be terrible; it would not utterly destroy. It
need not destroy democracy, for the organization of free men tends to become
refined under stress, whether the stress be hot or cold, and meets the
greatest hazards when the times are soft. This has always been true since men
have begun to learn their strength in freedom."

Vannevar Bush, MODERN ARMS AND FREE MEN (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1949), p.
263.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:16:10 EST
From:         "Sidney W. Kitchel" <kitchel@OCTOPUS.DPSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: How Low is Higher Education in Clinton's state?
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              14, 92 1:06 pm

DGPAZ%CLEMSON.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu writes:
|->
|-> On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:52:00 CST CAMPBELL-JENSEN <CAMPBELLD@APSU.BITNET>
|-> said:
|->
|-> >     I was chatting with some historians yesterday and the question
|-> >     of the quality of the University of Arkansas came up.  It was
|-> >     suggested that the academic standing of that university-- and
|-> >     higher education generally in Clinton's state-- is quite poor,
|-> >     and notably worse than in neighboring states. Does anyone have
|-> >     any information on what impact Clinton has had on higher
|-> >     education?
|-> >     Richard Jensen, U of Illinois Chicago
|->
|-> Well, without wishing to step on people's toes, and basing
|-> my comments on little more than vague impressions, I should
|-> think that the University of Arkansas is more or less on a
|-> par with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, LSU, Kansas State, and
|-> Mississippi State. Missouri, Tennessee, and Mississippi are
|-> a step up, and the University of Texas bests the lot. (I
|-> might be too hard on K State and LSU.)

	And way too hard on the University of Oklahoma. It certainly
is ahead of Mississippi and Arkansas. Oklahoma State is in pretty bad
times because of the decline in the petroleum industry. OU fairs better
because it starts from a better position and gets more
endowment/alumni support. I think if you look you'll see excellence at
Oklahoma in medical sciences, biology, esp. microbiology, energy
sciences, engineering and the only History of Science department among
all the universities you mentioned. There are also interesting things
happening in libral arts such as the Chaucer definitive edition and
the Oklahoma University Press.
	As states Arkanasas and Mississippi are considerably poorer
than their neighbors. Bill Clinton has had a very hard row to hoe to
make improvements.
							--Sid
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From: MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester)
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Subject: Re: Oldest City in North America?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:15:53 GMT
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On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:02:00 EDT <DGPAZ@CLEMSON> said:
>
>All right, clearly we must define our terms.
>(1) There is pretty much agreement, I think, that by "longest
>continuously inhabited city in North America" we mean inhabited
>by people, not limited to Europeans.

That is more interesting, to be sure, but if the original poster would only
tell us what *he* means, we could avoid some confusion!  While we are at it,
a better definition of "North America," please.  I re-skimmed my article on
metallurgy and found to my surprise that "Mesoamerica" and "Central America"
aren't the same thing, and that "North America" doesn't mean much within the
context.  Are we going to talk about NA, the geophysical construct, or NA, the
area encompassing a more or less continuously interacting group(s) of humans?
If we use geographic definitions with reference to interactions among the
humans confined therein, that is more interesting as well than a recourse to
continental plates, IMHO.  I don't get the picture that CA & MA ever interacted
very much with (the rest of) NA in pre-Columbian times. . . .
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:42:43 EDT
From:         "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My trivial side & back pages or whatever

Lance Williams <Yoni@Browncog> in effect wants to know, am I stupid or am I
masochistic to take on Agnes Kruchio in a battle of credibility. The answer
is, stupid. What she does, according to [my ex-]Shrink Frederic M. Levine, at
that time Program Director in Clin Psych, is technically called "the sandwich,"
meanining, if you are going to lie, slander, and skewer somebody while
retaining the sympathy of the crowd, even getting the poor slob victim to take
it as for their own good, you graciously stick in something Positive, then "but
...," which is the Negative thing you want to do to them, then, maybe, to make
it look really good, you throw in a second Positivity. The victim should, when
dealing with anyone known hostile or, most often, indifferent but proferring an
opinion (which is almost invariably hostile), ignore everything before the but.
End of opinion and speculation part. Facts are as i say.

Daniel A. Foss
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:04:28 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The advent of "technological secrecy"
              12 Sep 1992 14:39:54 +1000 from <med@LINGUA.CLTR.U Q.OZ.AU>

On Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:39:54 +1000 Marion Diamond said:
>Lenny, the story of the chronometers is told in an epic poem by
>an Australian poet, A. D. Hope,
>
>	Two chronometers the Captain [Cook] had,
>	One by Harrison that ran like mad,
>	One by Kendall in a walnut case,
>	Poor demented creature with a hangdog face...
>
>And so, on, for innumerable stanzas - I learned large chunks of it
>at school, and it used to be burnedinto the brains of numerous
>Australian children!

This seems a bit odd; the chronometric verse I've always heard is something
to the effect that, when going to sea, take 1 chronometer or 3.  *Not* 2, for
obvious reasons.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:52:09 CDT
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How Low is Higher Education in Clinton's state?
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Ah, but of course some are  more major than others!

And, yes, there are often dramatic differences between undergraduate
and graduate instruction/quality at the same institution and among
departments at the same university.

FYI, most of the National Merit Scholars in Mississippi who attend
a university within the state attend Mississippi State University.
So, too, do most of those who have high ACT scores.

MSU's arts & sciences departments, according to analyses commissioned
by the state's Board of Trustees, are the strongest in the state
at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. This does not mean
that other state universities in Mississippi do not have strong
programs nor some programs stronger than ours.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:42:43 CDT
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Papers
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	Valetine Smith <CDELL> has stored his papers:

	"Three Men in Russia: Marye, Robins, and Francis, 1914-18"
	"The Baltics: Nationalities and Other Problems"

on Ra.MsState.Edu.

	They can be found in docs/history/papers
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:57:02 BST
From:         Christopher Currie <c.currie@CLUS1.ULCC.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Oldest City in North America?

>
>
> According to the Times Atlas of Archaeology:
>
> Teotihuacan, in AD500, was the 6th largest city in the world,
> with a population of ca. 200,000
>
> Denis Paz


	I, too, thought of Teotihuacan, but it seemed ruled out as it's now
a ruin, not a city. On those grounds Mexico, or one of the other Valley-of-
Mexico area cities that have been inhabited since pre-Conquest times, is
the strongest claimant. That is, if Mexico counts as North and not Central
America.

Have not some of the Pueblo pueblos been inhabited since the Middle Ages?
(Though I don't think they can count as cities).

Christopher
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:53:15 PDT
From:         bob pasker <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US>
Subject:      ramblings
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foss: do you by any chance idolize marcel proust?

- bob pasker
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:12:35 BST
From:         Christopher Currie <c.currie@CLUS1.ULCC.AC.UK>
Subject: re: Clinton Administration?

>
> Is George Bush the last true believer in Manchester School
> economics? Wearing Cobden's mantle, he proclaims the virtues of
> free trade at home, looks for universal peace abroad, and
> believes that downturns in the business cycle must be waited out.
>
> Denis Paz
> dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
>

No, Denis, this is the official doctrine of the British Cabinet, and most of
them are about 20 years younger than Bush. So your recovery will precede
ours by about 20 years. :-)

Christopher
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From: pbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip C Brown)
Subject: Re: Corn Laws, UK vs. Japan
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:15:23 GMT

The evidence on the sensitivity of Japanese taste for rice is mixed.  The 
attitude related by Mr. Cunningham is present; however, I also know that many 

Japanese tourist bring back California rice and are sure that it is quite as 
good (and cheaper) than the domestic product.

Current policy on rice subsidies is also getting more complex.  In addition to 
subsidizing the price of rice, farmers are also being paid to take fields out 
of production (sound familiar?).

The orginal question of this thread--why rural areas retain so much voting 
strength (the proffered explanation was the MacArthur constitution) still needs
to be addressed.  The key seems to be the use of multi-member districts for 
provincial and national assemblies.  REasonably sure of support in rural 
districts (often single member districts), the Liberal Democratic Party can 
field just one or two candidates in urban 2- and 3- man districts where leftist
strength is greatest.  Since multiple "progressive" parties will all field 
competing candidates, that part of the vote gets fragmented while the moderate 
and conservative vote is concentrated on LDP candidates.  The LDP can be pretty
confident of electing at least oone member from every election district.

The multimember district system originate several decades before the end of WW 
II.  Linda Seig, in a doctoral thesis (Temple, 1981) analyzes this development.

Finally, altho only 3% of the Japanese population are engaged full-time in 
farming, about 20% still has some income from farming--even in highly urba 
areas like Tokyo and Osaka.  The rate of taxation on these lands is low, 
permitting people to hold on to this "under-developed" land, usually until the 
inheritance tax hits!

All of these conditions would present a substantial barrier to "free" trade in 
agricultural goods even without the psychological barrier that comes with not 
being self-sufficient in food production.  The fear is not without a basis in 
fact BTW.  In the early 1970s, a disease hit Pacific anchovy production.  Dried
anchovies were a common protein additive to cattle feed.  Denied this source of
the supplement, US producers bought up a much larger share of soybeans produced
here and used that as a substitute.  Japan, which gets 98% of its soybeans from
the US, found itself with a decreased supply of a major dietary item, and 
increased prices for what remained.  They protested (not without reason) that 
people should be given priority over cattle in access to soybeans!

Phil Brown
History
Ohio State University
Brown.113@osu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:49:55 -0500
From:         MASOUDER@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      Pre-Columbian Route 66
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>...  Are we going to talk about NA, the geophysical construct, or NA, the
>area encompassing a more or less continuously interacting group(s) of humans?
>If we use geographic definitions with reference to interactions among the
>humans confined therein, that is more interesting as well than a recourse to
>continental plates, IMHO.  I don't get the picture that CA & MA ever interacted
>very much with (the rest of) NA in pre-Columbian times. . . .

I may be wrong but....

I believe that when Coronado "discovered" Zuni in 1540 he came up an established
trade road from Mexico.  From Zuni, a traveller could go west to California via
Hopi on an established trade road as well.  The traveller could go east as far
as Kansas via the Rio Grande pueblos on well travelled routes (the Santa Fe
Trail?).

When the Zunis killed Estaban, Coronado's scout/predecessor/whatever,
the people who lived along the Colorado River around the current AZ/CA border
knew about it in about two weeks.

The historical geographer, whoses story I am mangling and whose name I forget,
thought that there was a brisk trade among the people of the Rio Grande, CA,
and Mexico.

Mick Souder
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From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: U.S Military Intervention
              6 Sep 1992 15:44:00 EST from <YONI@BROWNCOG.BITNET>

For Hitler, the end of diplomacy was to PROVOKE war!

Lenny
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From:         CAMPBELL-JENSEN <CAMPBELLD@APSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Sorry about that, London

    >>      (the Luftwaffe failed to
    >>     develop a strategic bombing strategy).
    >What!!!!  That's news  to us Londoners.
    And a good thing they didn't. Luftwaffe had almost whipped the
    RAF by concentrating on RAF bases & radar stations. Then Hitler
    ordered retailiation bombings on London.  The Luftwaffe bombers
    were to small to do significant damage to British economy, & too
    big to avoid the RAF fighters. Hence they lost.
    --a true strategic bombing strategy, based on WW1 experience
    (plus influence of Italian writer Douhet) was fully developed by
    RAF and by US Air Corps.  These strategies involved a plan to
    win the war with air power, plus the right planes, bombsights,
    and training.  The actual success is a matter of some debate,
    but I would argue that air power was the #1 reason for defeat of
    Japan, and #2 factor in defeat of Germany (after Soviet Army).
    Richard Jensen, U of Illinois
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      The advent of technological secrecy

From: Allan Needell

The context of the origin (ca. 1952) claim that extensive "technological
secrecy" --born in the 1930s wrt radar and expanded to widely across all sorts
of advance research during and since WWII--was the debate, just then beginning
to reach the public in the columns of Joe And Stewart Alsop, about how much
effort and resources should be devoted to air defense (as opposed to strategic
offense). An influential group of American scientists, which included
Zacharias, Oppenheimer, Rabi and (Charles) Lauritsen (later made famous as the
trumped up ZORC conspiracy at the Oppenheimer security hearing) believed that
too much emphasis was being placed on the weapons and delivery systems of the
Air Force's Strategic Air Command) and that more and deeper "national
security" could be obtained through a balanced program of active and passive
defense, diplomacy and political warfare. Some in the Air Force believed that
air defense was virtually impossible without bankrupting the country and that
the real motives of the scientists were to weaken the US wrt the Soviet Union.
The scientists felt that the system of technological secrecy put in place
since wwii made intelligent policy analysis and decision making in this area
all but impossible.

I believe that it was this debate that soured, at least in part, the often
touted "partnership" between science and the military that grew out of wwii.
Before, scientist rarely complained about secrecy; in fact they enjoyed the
increased power and status that privileged access to "secrets" provided them.

But just because and argument is tendentious, doesn't mean its wrong. I'd like
to hear more thoughts on the question of whether the kinds of secrecy that
were imposed beginning in the 1930s really posed new and qualitatively
different stress on American democracy and policy making than did earlier
security practices.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:30:11 EST
From:         "Sidney W. Kitchel" <kitchel@OCTOPUS.DPSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Oldest City in North America?
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Steffan O'Sullivan writes:
|->
|-> I always thought it was Old Oraibi in Arizona.

	It is usually written that Oraibi was established
approximately 1000 years ago. This makes the present Old Oraibi a good
candidate for longest inhabited town in North America. It is, however,
not a city and certainly was not established by the stinkin'
Europeans.
	Acoma, the Sky City, is also old and in the Oraibi class for
longevity. But it too is not a city. Possibly the title should go to
Mexico.
						     --Sid
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From: fswww@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re:      Re: U.S Military Intervention
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:56:51 GMT


In article <01GOGXGODMTW0004SH@BROWNCOG.BITNET>,         YONI@BROWNCOG.BITNET writes:
> War is a world-wide tradition since the begining of time. Whether it is wrong
> or right it has existed and most probably will exist until universal utopia is
> reached. Therefore, if U.S intervention to stop a war, or help a certain side
> which supports our country's interests win the war, can't we justify it?
> hanks
> yoni
> (I meant that thanks up above.)
You can always justify it.  That dose not mean it will always be the right
thing to do.  Might dose make right,  no matter what the bible says.
fswww@acad3.alaska.edu


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