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From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:39:54 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug13.000941.28980@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:
>
>There was a segment on 60 minutes aired recently called "the
>French paradox". A nutritional researcher was in France trying
>to figure out why the French people have far less heart disease
>than American even though they have a fattier diet and a more
>sedantary lifestyle. He wasn't finished with his research, but
>the evidence pointed to the consumption of wine with dinner
>as an antidote to the fatty food. The alcohol stimulates the
>blood platelettes that would normally tend to congeal. An
>interesting secondary experiment was comparing cheese to milk.
>Rats fed cheese would not digest the cheese fat, yet rats fed
>milk of equal fat and calorie content would. The milk-fed rats
>developed blocked arteries and the cheese fed rats did not. So
>not all fat is equal (this study was done because the French
>eat so much more cheese than Americans).

An article in the Berkeley Wellness Letter explained that the French
diet has increased its fat intake post World War II. The elderly
French, the ones most prone to heart disease, have mostly eaten a
lower-fat diet during their lives. A high fat diet is correlated with
heart disease, it just takes a generation or so for the change in diet
to take effect.
 
And now we return you to your regulary-scheduled bicycling news reading...
  
-Rich
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Olympic and World records.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:20:53 GMT

In article <DSTAug14.130150.14512@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)  
writes:
> Sorry, looks like it sometimes takes several hours before the post
> reaches this newsgroup. And sometimes the messages just disappeared?
> The last version is the best.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tapio Leino               email: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
   
  Have YOU tried the de-caf, Tapio?   
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From: tjones@harriett.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Resa Jones)
Subject: Re: Gail Devers
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp. Appl.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:03:08 GMT

The stated reason was because she didn't have the time to practice with 
the other three women on the hand-offs.  She was more concerned in 
concentrating on her individual races.

Although I don't want to take anything away from her and what she did to 
get to the olympics...but from one who knows what it's like to run on a 
relay team, I believe she missed the greatest experience of her life.  I 
also believe that she is more the "individualistic" type of person and 
really doesn't know how to give to a "team" effort.



            
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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:16:46 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug12.230545.24254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:

>I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
>They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
>are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.

You have to be careful with statistics. A few years ago a study showed
that people who drank no alcohol were more likely to die than people
who drank a little. Oh Goody! A little drink is good for you! They
later discovered that the results were skewed by the number of
ex-alcoholics in the no-drink group. Once those were removed the
no-drink group proved much healthier than the little-drink group.

A recent (so far unrepeated and controversial) UK study showed that
unusually intelligent people tended to eat higher fat diets. The
suggestion was that the brain needed fats to work properly. I think
it's simply because intelligent people are too smart to believe all
the quarter-baked conclusions drawn from diet studies, a ridiculous
number of which assume pretty direct correlations between what you eat
and what you are made of. If that worked cows would look like
haystacks and wouldn't have any fat at all!
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
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From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:22:12 GMT

rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
: 
: Actually the British have an extremely high rate of heart disease, the 
: highest in the world I believe (with Scotland and Northern Ireland
: having the highest rates within the U.K.).  Having seen the average Brit
: diet (as you say "practically oozes lard") I'm not surprised.

This may be the point to mention that famous Glasgow delicacy, the deep fried
pizza.  Or maybe not, if you've just eaten.

----
Andrew
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: More favorite/!favorite moments..
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:35:10 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Aug10.132433.4546@cs.mcgill.ca> prakash@cs.mcgill.ca (Prakash
Panangaden) writes:

>In article <36657@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
writes:

>>o Is syncronized swimming a sport? If so, marble tossing should

>The smile may be artificial but the sport is real.  Just try to invert
>yourself underwater and keep your leg up in the air for 15 seconds
>using only the power of your hands.  Then try to imagine doing what Sylvie
>Frechette can do!  The judging is indeed subjective and the sport
>should be eliminated from the Olympics for this reason but I would 
>certainly pay to see exhibitions.  Especially as I could then watch
>and enjoy the sport without being surrounded nationalistic hysteria.

If subjective scoring is the problem, then a whole lot of other sports
will have to go as well.  Gymnastics, diving, boxing come to mind 
immeadiately.  In addition most other sports have rules, whose 
interpretations and applications get to be pretty subjective as well.

-- 
--Mark

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From: pant@remus.rutgers.edu (Ashish Pant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.indian,rec.sport.hockey.field,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: India will withdraw from Major Sports
Keywords: India, Sports
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:51:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

This is in reply to Rajiv Dattas expression of relief on the
announcement of Indian athletes being banned from all major Int'l
sporting events. He says this will save him the emabrassment he his
subjected to each time he calls himself Indian. With all due sympathies
I suggest he do the following. He should get a Green Card (could be
acquired by working for some American company or lets just say by any
other devious way he maybe aware of i.e. ifif he already doesn't have
one),and then five years later he will be eligible to become an
American( that again if he already isn't one). This I am sure will
relieve him of all the embarassment a lot of Indians just like me put
him through.

P.S. ITS NOT LIKE HE WAS NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY, SO I HOPE HE
DOES NOT GET OFFENDED IN ANYWAY. IAM GENUINELY CONCERNED.

All other netters who happen to read this please excuse the sarcasm. I
couldn't bear the burden anymore. I do not even come close to any of
the athletes representing India and am probably a much bigger
embarrasment for him. I probably doubled the inferiority complex Rajiv
bhai is obviously suffering from. Rajiv if you wish to reply kindly do
so. Aapki sewamai haazir hoon pant@remus.rutgers.edu

				Thanks!
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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Subject: Re: Olympic and World records.
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory of Structural Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:01:49 EET

Sorry, looks like it sometimes takes several hours before the post
reaches this newsgroup. And sometimes the messages just disappeared?
The last version is the best.


-- 
Tapio Leino               email: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
VTT / Laboratory of Structural Engineering
PL 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
tel. -358-0-456 6683  telefax  -456 7003
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From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Sydney? (was Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:26:50 GMT

In article <9222614.22706@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> strick@nabilla.ee.mu.oz.au (Larry Strickland) writes:
>In article <TQZ5RJ@aball.in-berlin.de> tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen) writes:

>>  'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
>>	 2000. Where should it happen ?

>>		 3) Sidney
>                   ^^^^^^
>That should be Sydney.  It would be nice to have it in the southern
>hemisphere again.  The big problem with Australia is that it causes
>direct telecasts (and therefore big bucks) to fall outside prime time
>television (Peking might have the same problem).  By the way Sydney does
>not have a problem with a hole in the ozone layer as suggested by a
>German journalist.  But then I am an Aussie and am likely to be biased.

I think Australia would be a wonderful place to have the Olympics, but
it would be strange for those in the Northern Hemisphere, mainly because
the Games would be televised in the *winter*! I'm not saying it's a bad
idea, just a strange one. Outdoor atheletes would be most affected, 
because of the screwy training schedules. Southern hemisphere atheletes
would clean up :-)

Prime time is not a problem (thanks to technology) but the season would
be.

When has this happened before?

btw, I missed the Closing ceremonies. I thought they were supposed to
announce the 2000 city then. Wrong?



Vickie
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Figure skating dispute (was Re: Synchronized Swimming Dispute)
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:11:45 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Aug13.022115.16825@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>
>   Well, I don't remember the exact numbers but suppose Diane had gotten 8
>   first places from foreign judges and 1 
>   twelveth place from th eAmerican judge. her total would be 20. Dorothy
>   would have gotten 1 first place from the American and 8 second places.
>   Total would have been 17. Thus, Dorothy would have won.
>
>That isn't how it works.  Since (in your hypothetical example) Diane
>had an absolute majority of first-place votes, it wouldn't have
>mattered how low the remaining judge ranked her.
>
>Here are some exerpts from my copy of the USFSA rulebook (a few years old,
>but the scoring system has been virtually the same for many years):

I would be willing to make a bet that in 1976 the rules were different. 

Vlad

Employer disagrees
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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Banned Techniques
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.161555.14925@colorado.edu> fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.141810.8650@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>>Probably because these gymnasts have not been innovators.  There are
>>exceptions:  the [Kurt] Thomas flair (invented for pommel horse, now used on
>>parallel bars and floor), and the [Mitch] Gaylord, used on high bar.
>
> And the Okino named for Betty Okino. Not an official move yet but
>well on it's way to becoming one. 

Can you describe it?
 
>The Thomas flair became know as that because he was one of the first to
>do a move invented on pommel horse on the floor. 
 

--Robyn
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Not Dipping the Flag (was Re: Proud and Angry)
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:17:44 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <=xrmw#_.rlerdorf@netcom.com>, rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) writes:
> Ever stop to wonder how the rest of the world might perceive this?  The
> US is *too good* and above showing a little respect towards other nations?
> We've seen this to be the case, and in many parts of the world Americans
> are despised for this reason, why re-enforce this perception so blatantly
> with this childish, arrogant and obnoxious tradition?

You're absolutely right.  America should go along with the rest of the
world and stop indulging in these ill-conceived and out-dated
traditions.  Like freedom of speech, for example.  What a stupid idea
that is.  Every bozo with an opinion gets to clog the air waves with
his stupid blathering.  And freedom of choice.  Who really needs so
many different brands of everything?  All of the factories should be
owned and run by the government and everything would run smoothly.  And
then there's that wholly misguided concept of having the leaders
elected by the people.  What a crock that turned out to be.  We were so
much better off under the rule of an absolute monarch.  We should turn
America back into a dictatorship and teach Americans once and for all
to be respectful of the privileged nobility of the world.

Has is ever occurred to you that a good deal of the reason that
Americans are despised by "many parts of the world" is because of
jealousy?

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{murphy | philabs}!dwrsun4!perl
	-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"

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From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:29:40 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

>In article <1992Aug11.141333.2098@brandonu.ca> rodgers@brandonu.ca writes:
>>However, in my opinion, it is not the athletes in the USA that have a
>>ego problem, it is the American media, especially NBC.  They are so
>>one-sided in their coverage, it is unbelievable. 

>>I do not critize Americans for being proud of their country, but the
>>television coverage should reflect the Olympic spirit, not the American
>>ego!
>
>>Anyone out there agree with me?

I agree and disagree.  I think NBC thinks America wants to see Americans.
They give us what has worked in the past.  I'd like to see more of what
other countries are doing (in sports and world news).  I may be in the
minority though (although not on the net).  I still want the concentration
on US athletes but don't sugar-coat our mistakes or ignore the gold
medal winner if a US athlete wins the bronze.

AND:

From article <@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, by douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg):
	      ^^^`'`'`'-Not me, noooo.  I didn't write that.  nope, not.^^`'
>>   Like they didn't ban the Fosbury Flop because it was invented
>>   by an American.  I don't see why they should ban new techniques
>>   either.  I suppose one could ban the slam-dunk in basketball
>>   too, while they're at it.
   Didn't write this either.  
>Actually, they did ban it several years ago, primarily to try to reduce the
>overpowering advantage of tall centers like Lew Alcindor.  (That should give
>a good time frame for the ban.)  After a couple of years of seeing that the
>ban just made it easier for the big men to dominate, the ban was rescinded.
    I did write this, though.
I, douge@tigger.tymnet.com, being of sound body, did not write the
Flop flop above.  I was misquoted.  I took that from another article
and added the apples and oranges comments.

But, I still don't know what Lew Alcindor and high jumping have in common??



douge@antares.tymnet.com          "It's not where you've been,
				   it's where you're going."  - Chris Mullin
From: slqtr@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: television coverage
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:03:13 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

Overall, I still prefer the job ABC did with Olympic Coverage.
during the 1976 and 1984 games.-- 
                   --------------------------------
                  ] Xenocrates  | slqtr@cc.usu.edu [
                   --------------------------------
From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote (though not exact)
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:12:52 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug14.174104.18501@meaddata.com> jefff@meaddata.com (Jeff Fleck) writes:
>In article <2479@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>|> 
>|> Does anybody remeber the name of the guy who did the reporting for the
>|> tennis competition.
>
>Bud Collins
>

There has been some criticism of Bud Collins work and hyper personality.
In his defense I'd like to add that he did a great deal in the US to
bring tennis to the level of popularity it has today.  He was the
weekly host of the PBS tennis coverage some years back.  He did so
well that NBC stole him away.

He wasn't so hyper then but he did make the matches interesting to watch.


douge@antares.tymnet.com
From: ccutfort@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Carl T. Cutforth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Track & Field World Record question
Keywords: world record track field
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:48:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In what track & field event has a world record never been set in the
Olympic games?

Please reply by email...
From: deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:49:30 GMT
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote (though not exact)
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics

In rec.sport.olympics / roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts):
> deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) writes:
> >
> >I like Bud Collins; he's certainly got a lot of personality. . . .
> >
> >Dean Cashen
> >-- Boise
> 
> So, you're the one!!! I always wondered...
> 
> 	-- Don

   :) :) :)

Not so!  I met a guy on the train once who's wife had a friend who said
he knew someone who thought Bud was a great guy too . . . :)

Dean "No apologies for liking Bud Collins from ME!" Cashen
-- Boise
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From: jefff@meaddata.com (Jeff Fleck)
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote (though not exact)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:41:04 GMT

In article <2479@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> Does anybody remeber the name of the guy who did the reporting for the
|> tennis competition.

Bud Collins

|> 
|> Talk about living life in the fast lane. ;^)
|> 
|> After one report, in which this gentleman was in an even faster mode than
|> normal, after returning to the studio, Bob Costas, just sat there for
|> a second, with a stuned look on his face, he then said.
|> 
|> "Next time try the de-caf."
|> 
|> -- 
|> --Mark
|> 

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From: thorn@diku.dk (Peter Tjornsted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: whites cannot jump?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:02:22 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

zhao@nmsu.edu writes:
>> It seems to me that the top 4 men volleyball teams, Unified, Brazil,
>> US, Cuba

Unified team is not among the top 4, but Holland (Netherlands) is.


strauss@uncavx.unca.edu writes:
>AH, makes one wish we lived in a dictatorship
>like Cuba: "You *WILL* play in Barcelona!"

Most Cuban athletes love to play in the olympics. Americans need money more
than they need the olympics

>ps: Anyone else catch "team handball"? Reminds me of "war ball" we
>played in Junior High in the 1950s. The US should excel in such a
>game!

Well you tried once in the world championships or some other big tournament.
The players were to clumsy, being former basketball-players the ball was too
small. Besides you don't have the clubs/handball-culture needed for it. From
where I live there are more than 25 handball clubs within a 5 km distance.

Peter alias thorn@freja.diku.dk
From: taralee@zooid.guild.org (tara lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: American Arrogance - US Monolopy?
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:25:45 GMT

>>>What do you call a team that beats another in a relay and has
>>>t-shirts printed reading: "We Kicked Their Butts!"?
>>>Arrogance, questionable displays of sportsmanship, bad taste...
>>>It seems the rest of the world is catching up.
>>Please just ignore this guy as I did when he sent me email making 
>>studpid accusations (I am a racist because I critisized Charles
>>Barkley,
>
>	Basically, you were. ANd your post about Barkeley WAS bigoted.
>
>	And your post is definitely proof that arrogance is not
>just an American quality. 
>
> or I am anti-american because I don't like america's
>>commericialization of sports, etc.).
>
>	As opposed to the European commercialization?
>
>>The fact is simple, the US team deserves a gold in the world 
>>competition of arrogance. Period. 
>
>	Not.
>
>
Alright...
 
    GIVE IT UP... For crying out loud this is getting us nowhere. This talk
about US arrogance isn't doing anything except giving most people here a
headache.
 
   Anyone with any sense of national pride is going to diplay some sense of
arrogance. To do so is only human. The fact is plain and simple that the
American Basketball team was the best team and therefore deserved the medal
that they won. End of story.
 
 If they held a medal competition for arrogance they would have to make a lot
of gold medals because there are a lot of arrogant nations out there in this
wonderful world. Hell I live in one.. YOU live in one.. We all do..
 
 For the sake of my sanity please... GIVE IT UP!
 
Taralee
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