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From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:49:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <me.714830225@dude>, me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel) writes:
>In <24AUG199216380614@maximillion.mcc.com> ilotemp@maximillion.mcc.com (ILO Tem
p) writes:
>
>>Just a little reality check here Roger...apparantly you haven't
>>had a great deal of experience with European women lately, or
>>women at all for that matter.  I just returned from a two year
>>stay in Germany with frequent visits to adjacent countries, and I
>>am happy to announce that european women are shaving both PITS
>>and LEGS.  There are exceptions, but then go to a Greatful Dead
>>show and you'll find that in your own little pristine US of A
>>women are not always using the blade.
>
>Since it has been brought up. What is the point in shaving
>armpits and legs anyways (certanly not hygienic)? Wouldn't
>you sweat more if you shave the pits?
>
>Where are the cultural roots in making women remove their
>body hair while men walk around growing hair all over
>themselves?
>
>I DID get the impression that in the US (and Great Britain)
>it is almost impossible for a woman not to shave her legs,
>while I haven't seen it that often here in Germany.
>
>Michael
>--
>Michael Elbel                  |  No, I haven't lost my brain!
>PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany    |  I just forgot it in the
>   me@dude.pcs.com             |  rush this morning.

I know some women who don't shave, and I must say I find it unattractive.  I
like the smooth look to girls legs, so that's the attraction.  Of course, I'm
simply a product of my culture, and had I been raised in Germany, I'm sure it
would be the other way around.  But I wasn't.  If you like the non-shaved look
(I don't want to say hairy, because it's not necessarily so) then great, it's
just the different way people are brought up.  I'm not sure where the idea
first started, but it is certainly the norm here in the US.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - If God dwells inside
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         us, like some people say, I sure hope he likes
215-758-0865            enchiladas, cause that's what he's getting.
From: mb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Michael Berthold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: voltage adapter 220 V ---> 110 V ?
Keywords: voltage adapter
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Btyor4.Lwv.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1992Sep2.144606.7028@bernina.ethz.ch>, karrer@bernina.ethz.ch (Andreas Karrer) writes:
|> wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.) writes:
|> 
|> >First of all, apologies if this happens to be a FAQ, but I (+ family) might be
|> >moving to Germany (if the job comes through) in a few months and we were 
|> >wondering how much voltage adapters would cost that would allow us to use at 
|> >least some of our appliances there.  I am not too worried about the frequency 
|> >as we'd only take stuff that could operate on either 50 or 60 Hz. 
|> 
|> for simple appliances (toaster oven, iron, light bulbs, probably transformers
|> for things like model railroads) a simple diode (1N4004, $0.20) will work,
|> although the power company might not like it.

Hmm. This sounds a little bit strange to me. Sure you can get the consumed
power down to the half by simply adding a diode, but what about the still
existing high voltage of 220V ?  Won't that destroy light bulbs and stuff like
that which doesn't have a high capacitance ?
(And you are right, the power comany will not like it for sure !)

|> an electric clock that uses the line frequency as its time normal will
|> work with the diode trick, too; but with "interesting" results.
|> 
|> for anything more sophisticated (vaccum cleaners, VCR's, TV's,
|> computers) you'll need a transformer. Depending on the power that the
|> device needs, this can be costly.
|> 
|> 
|>  - Andi

Only curious,

	Michael Berthold
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: 10642617@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DAVID HOLECEK)
Subject: Undergraduate Civil Engineering Work
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:56:06 GMT

Could anyone post me the names of some companies or institutes which may 
employ an Australian Engineering student in December - March?
I need 12 weeks of engineering work to get my degree and there isn't much in 
Australia at the moment. I am also learning German(so far only elementary) 
so spending time in Germany would help me with that also.

Many Thanks

David Holecek
Monash University
Melbourne 
Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: pmiragli@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pierluigi Miraglia)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:59:32 GMT

In article <l9kirjINN4dv@west.west.sun.com> markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Ka
mpe) writes:
>oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
>> >as Hitler".  Fascism is defined as:
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> Where is it defined so?
>
>(-: never ask that question of a man who loves words;  it's a straight line :-
)
>
>    Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, unabridged,
>    second edition, page 665, second column, definition (2)
>
>    I realize that this is a 22 year old dictionary, but most
>    American dictionary lovers agree that the third edition is
>    vastly inferior to its older and more seasoned brother.
>
>    The Mirriam-Webster Dictionary (not in the same league at all)
>    definition of fascism omits "glorification of war" and any mention
>    of who "owns the means of production" ... but this dictionary is
>    not noted for its authority or completness (other than in the
>    areas of spelling and pronounciation).
>
>    It should be noted, however, that both of these are post-WWII
>    dictionaries and so the definition of Fascism may have been
>    twisted to specifically describe Hitler and Mussolini.

I doubt that the definition could be "twisted" for that purpose,
since Fascism was the movement founded by Mussolini. There is no
other political formation properly so-called.
The term is used currently as a broad description for anti-democratic
right-wing extremist movements. Your original definition seemed to
me alright except for the "centralized ownership of the means
of production". I don't think that Fascists or "fascists" ever
wanted to change the ownership of those means: both Fascism and
Nazism were in fact well-financed by people who owned those!
Ciao
PL.
-- 
Pierluigi Miraglia       Miraglia.1@osu.edu
Dept. of Philosophy, The Ohio State University
Logic before Frege: "Metalanguage? It's like when you talk about
football in French" (Intro. to Symbolic Logic anonymous)
From: ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Question : Austria, EEC
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:18:26 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Aug25.094056.13@apap4> pavlik@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at writes:
>In article <7322@chaos.DAC.Northeastern.edu>, george@hilbert.coe.northeastern.edu (George Kechriotis) writes:
(some stuff deleted ...)
>
>> Can people with Austrian  passports travel through EEC countries without 
>> having to go through  customs? 
>
>  Generally spoken, no.
>
>    Andreas Pavlik
>    University of Vienna
>

I travelled by train from Austria to Germany last month and there was no
Passport or Custom controll at all.

I think their was a possibilty to claim things at the first station after the
border if someone insisted in doing so.

Bye, Johannes.

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From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Rostock-Krawalle
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:59:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug28.165938.10856
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <LILLY.92Aug26180218@lauda.nhmfl.fsu.edu>, lilly@nhmfl.fsu.edu (Leonhard Lilly) writes:
> In article <92238.225904SCHRADG@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE> <SCHRADG@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE> writes:
> >                                                                 wie
> > rechtsstaatlich garantierte Rechte von brutalen Idioten mit Fuessen getreten
> > werden.                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Hauptsache den Gegner als nicht gleichwertig dargestellt...

Auch, wenn ich den Begriff `Idiot' nicht fuer passend halte -- die
Replik liegt auf deutlich niedrigerem Niveau.

Um es auf den Punkt zu bringen: Der Abscheu von Goetz gegen die
Ausschreitungen und die Handlungen der Rechtsradikalen _sind_ nicht
gleichwertig! Letztere sind deutlich primitiver und negativ zu
bewerten. Wo kommen wir denn hin, wenn wir diesen Unterschied nicht
mehr benennen duerfen?

--
Joachim
From: ai01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Arsenio A. Ibay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Help me learn "regular" German ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:58:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I'm looking for someone to correspond with so I can keep up and improve my
German.  I'd also like to learn how Germans really speak, i.e.
conversationally, etc., instead of sounding like a textbook.  Help me with my
German, I'll help you with your "American"?

Please write to Arsenio Ibay, 180 Hillcrest Road, Ridgewood, NJ 07450, USA.

Danke sehr!
-- 
________________________________________________________________________
From the account of: Arsenio (that's R-sin-knee-O) Ibay
ai01@lehigh.edu -or- ai01@pl122a.cc.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, University Center Box 381, Bethlehem, PA 18015
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jsod@athena.mit.edu (Jordi Sod)
Subject: Re: Nachrichten in den USA 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:19:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161034.14340@athena.mit.edu> jsod@athena.mit.edu (Jordi Sod) writes:
>There is a weekly bulletin published (almost year-long) by the German
>Information Center in NYC called Deutschland Nachrichten.  It has
>political, economic, etc. news from Germany, including Bundesliga
>results! To subscribe (it's FREE,FREE,FREE!!!) call the Center. I do
>not recall the phone # of the Center, but will try to post it soon.
>Otherwise just call directory assistance for help.
>
>BTW, these dudes also have an English version , The Week in Germany.
>
>Jordi Sod

GERMAN INFORMATION CENTER
950 Third Avenue, NY,NY 10022
Tel. (212) 888-9840



Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jsod@athena.mit.edu (Jordi Sod)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:53:29 GMT

{even more stuff deleted}

>> 
>	The Mirriam-Webster Dictionary (not in the same league at all)
>	definition of fascism omits "glorification of war" and any mention
>	of who "owns the means of production" ... but this dictionary is
>	not noted for its authority or completness (other than in the
>	areas of spelling and pronounciation).
>
>
>	It should be noted, however, that both of these are post-WWII
>	dictionaries and so the definition of Fascism may have been 
>	twisted to specifically describe Hitler and Mussolini.
>	
>	
>	To try to control for this bias, I went back to that most venerable
>	of sources, the Oxford English Dictionary.  The original research
>	(completed in the 1880's) did not turn up any uses of the word fascist.
>	The 1935 supplement, however, records the first English use of the 
>	word, in a January 9, 1921 London Times article.  At this time the
>	word was used specifically as the name of the nationalist party of
>	Benito Mussolini, and was an anglicization of the italian name.  The 
>	final reference in the OED is in 1929 and the term was still being 
>	used solely to describe the Italian Fascisti.  The word had not, at
>	that time, acquired a broader meaning.

>	It is, therefore, likely that the modern (broader) meaning of the 
>	word only came about in the 1935-1945 time frame.  Outside of Hitler 
>	and Mussolini, there is no history of fascist doctrine from which we 
>	can try to draw a more general and substantiable meaning.

My view of Fascism is basically the policies of the Italian state at
the time, specially on social strucutre and the like.  It can be
linked to other movements of the time besides Nazism, mainly Spanish
Falangism and whatever they had in Japan.  In both cases it is
amilitaized corporative state.

Comments?

Jordi Sod
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Re: Mastercard Insurance
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:00:45 GMT

mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.194335.10222@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pjd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer) writes:

>   Wichtiger Unterschied zwischen MC Gold und VISA GOLD:

>   MC Gold schuetzt nur bei Leihperioden bis zu 15 Tagen, VISA Gold aber
>   bis zu 30 Tagen. Frueher (bis 31. 12. 1991) waren es auch bei MC Gold
>   30 Tage. Hoffentlich zieht VISA Gold nicht nach.

>Zumindest in Amerika bietet auch American Express einen automat. CDW
>an, wenn man mit AMEX card bezahlt - ich habe aber augenblicklich
>nicht die Bedingungen bei mir, also weiss ich nicht wie lange diese
>Deckung gilt. Weiss jemand genaueres?

>michael

>--

Die AMEX bietet Dir 15 Tage Versicherung beim Leihwagen an. Allerdings
darf das kein extravagantes Auto sein. Meine AT&T Univerisal Card (Master
Card) bietet das aber auch an und es kostet mich 0$ im Jahr (gegenueber
55$ bei AMEX).

Peter

		                                                               
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Subject: Re: Help Regarding "Bundeszen
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:29:07 GMT

In <2392.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:

>DK>Subject: Help Regarding "Bundeszentrale fuer politische Bildung"

>Somebody of Bonn would surely be so kind to provide you with the exact
>adress.

The address is: ..., Berliner Freiheit 7, 5300 Bonn 1
           Tel: +49 228 515-1
                    ^^^  0228 Bonn
                 ^^      0049 Germany

Werner
--
Werner Icking           icking@gmd.de            (+49 2241) 14-2443     __o
GMD - Gesellschaft fuer Mathematik und Datenverarbeitung mbH          _`\<,_
Schloss Birlinghoven, P.O.Box 1316, D-5205 Sankt Augustin, Germany   (_)/ (_)
                             "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod." ~~~~~~~~~~~
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Krawalle in Rostock (Mein
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

Hi, Tony!

TO>Ich bin Amerikaner asiatischer Abstammung, der in Kalifornien lebt und arbei

TO>Ich weiss nicht, wegen solcher Ereignisse (zB Rostock), ob es koerperlich
TO>sicher fuer mich, im Osten zu fahren. Nie haette ich gedacht, dass ich im Ja
TO>1992 in Deutschland so eine echte Angst haben sollte.

Let me answer with K.C. & The Sunshine Band (this was the original!)
"Please, don't go, don't go, don't go...."

DO NOT go to the east of Germany during the night!!!
If you have a car, it may be safer. But take a Berliner with you.
Visit East Berlin during the day (it's certainly worth the trip!), but
stay out of it at night. Be also careful with the S-Bahn in the whole
city, especially in the Eastern part.

BTW, the radio-interviewed people mentioned by the other guy were most
certainly not "Berliners". You won't spot that many natives on the
Ku'damm. It's mostly crowded by Wessis of smaaaall villages in West
Germany, therefore (hopefully) not representative for Baerlin.

TO>"Zusammenfassung: Deutschland 1992: Ekelhaft und zum Kotzen

TO>Dem kann ich leider nur zustimmen!

TO>Angewidert, Axel Mahler."

me, too. And I complained about the Republican Convention...

TO>Gruss

TO>Tony Ooka

Gruss zurueck,
Carl

 * OLX 2.1 TD * When it is dark enough, you can see the stars
From: dn26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daphne Nugent)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Access to E-Mail
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:55:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QecYw0K00iUy047XcO
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How does one obtain an Electronic-Mail account in Germany? (such as the
ones the German contributors to this bulletin board are using).  Do you
have to be associated with a university or are there also paid
subscriber services like there are in the United States  (Compuserve,
etc)? 

I am a graduate student in the US and a friend of mine is a part-time
Ph.D student at Bonn University.  We would like to be able to
communicate electronicly rather than by phone or post, but he has no
idea where or how to find out about E-Mail in Bonn.  (He has a computer
and a modem.)  Since he is only a part-time student at the University,
would he even be allowed access to a university account? (Assuming they
were available to students).

If anyone has any information regarding these questions it would be
GREATLY appreciated.

Dankeschon,

D.Nugent
From: atkin@cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours (and bathroom differences) (and weather!)
Summary: Ok, Karlruher weather isn't that bad! :)
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:50:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts CS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug27.111907.26022@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes...
>In <26AUG199216250843@cs.umass.edu> atkin@cs.umass.edu writes:
> 
>>  WOW!!! You must have read my mind! Every time someone asks me if I would 
>>  prefer living in Germany or in the US, I tell them, I don't know, I really
>>  like Germany, except for two things: The weather and the shopping hours!
> 
>Where in Germany? I know places where I find the weather really nice
>(Karlsruhe, for example, especially in summer - but there are people
>here disagreeing with me, too :-)

Wie der Zufall es will...
Actually, I used to live in Karlsruhe too! (Well, at least I studied there). 
You're right, Karlsruhe probably has some of the best weather in Germany, with
the possible exception of Freiburg. The thing is, though, the weather  
anywhere north of Frankfurt tends to be rather dismal.

I'm originally from Bremen. When I went home last summer (1991), I didn't bring
a coat, thinking "hey, it's June, it won't be that bad!". Was I wrong! It was
around 15 degrees Celsius for my whole stay (4 weeks), and damp and windy too
for the most part. Yech! Compare that to California! Or to Massachusetts 
(though it does tend to get rather humid here, sometimes). When it rains here,
it rains all day, and then the next day will be beautiful. It's the "gray in
gray", not sunny and not raining, that really gets me down. 

So you're right, if could choose my place of residence in Germany based solely
on the weather, it would be along the Rhein in Baden-Wuerttemberg. BUT: There
are other factors to take into consideration, too. I, for one, could 
absolutely not get used to the dialect there. I'm sorry, "Badisch" just 
doesn't work for me... 

>>  I disagree, though, that everyone believes this. Most Germans haven't
>>  experienced the "liberal" shopping hours of other countries and therefore
>>  don't know what they are missing convience-wise.
> 
>ALL Germans HATE our shopping hours except for two groups: trade-union
>leaders and retail store owners :-(

I hope you're right - then at least there's hope :) I remember how difficult
it was even to get the shopping hours extended on Thursdays ("langer 
Donnerstag"). It took years of negotiating! And of course, the local downtown
supermarket ("Gottlieb" am Berliner Platz - I'm sure you know that, Olaf ;) 
didn't even go along with it. <sigh>

   Marc Atkin       |
U. of Massachusetts |                    " Goosnargh. "
   at Amherst       |
atkin@cs.umass.edu  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wunner@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Guenter Wunner)
Subject: Re: German Reunification
Organization: TAT (Theoretical Astrophysics Tuebingen), U. of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:31:44 GMT

jimmo@sco.COM (James Mohr) writes:


>Ich wollte bloss fragen, wie die Deutsche sich fuehlen, dass
>unser President Bush selber die deutsche Wiedervereinigung
>verursacht hat? Auch dazu, hat er den Zusammenbruch von
>Kommunismus in Osteuropa verursacht. Ich war damals in 
>Deutschland, aber ich habe nicht so was nicht gewusst. 
>Offensichtlich hat er alles im Hintergrund gemacht und aus
>reine Grosszuegigkeit wollte er dass das deutsche Volk
>denken taet, dass sie selber alles gemacht haben ohne 
>jegliche Hilfe der Amerikaner. Ist er nicht Lieb?
>Ich habe gedacht, dass die Deutsche, Tscheche, Russe, usw
>alles allein gemacht haben aber wenn man die Annahmerede
>von Bush gehoert hat, wuerde man denken, dass er alles
>selber gemacht hat.

>Na ja, ich habe gedacht Ihr wollte es wissen. 

>jim

Hey, alter!
Kannste das mal n bisschen genauer erklaeren, wieso George Bush uns
bei der Wiedervereinigung und beim Glasnost im Ostblock geholfen hat?
Das hoer ich jetzt wirklich zum ersten mal!? Was soll der denn da
bitteschoen geholfen haben? (Okay, okay, ich will ja deinen Bush nicht
runtermachen, aber das ist mir nun echt ganz neu).
Ueber eine Erklaerung deiner Mail waer ich dankbar.
Tschuessle,
	Lukas.

(lukas@trillian.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de or lukas@134.147.160.21)

PS: Und wegen mir brauchst du nicht unbedingt in Deutsch schreiben,
schreib in der Sprache, in der Du dich besser ausdruecken kannst.
From: mikeh@ausom.oz.au (Mike Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: David Irving
Summary: Query on David Irving (WW2 historian)
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:27:09 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Last night I caught the last episode of a TV mini-series on the Hitler 
Diaries fiasco. I was particularly struck by the portrayal of writer/
historian David Irving; unless I missed the point, he was shown as 
virtually a neo-Nazi. In one scene, he was shown standing in front of a 
modified swastika delivering a Hitler-style peroration. Two figures with anti-
Semitic placards stood in front of the platform.
 
I have read Irving's "Hitler's War" trilogy, "The Mare's Nest",and his books 
on Hess, and Churchill. He makes some highly controversial (and to many 
people, undoubtedly offensive) assertions regarding the war's origins and 
Hitler's personal knowledge of the Holocaust, but I had never thought of him 
as being the sort of unreconstructed fanatic of the TV show. 
 
Was this a reasonably truthful portrayal?
 
The TV show also appeared to show a great antipathy between Irving and the 
British historian, Lord Dacre (Hugh Trevor-Roper). Interestingly, the back 
cover of "Hitler's War" has a laudatory quote from H.T-R. in The Sunday Times.  
 
Please note: I am not interested in either defending or attacking Irving's 
views -  please leave me out of any flame wars.

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