From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Denied access to English schools?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:19:27 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
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From article <BtMFKr.A34@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
> In article <1992Aug26.161019.8880@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>From article <BtLqu0.6Bs@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
>>> In article <BtJvLD.I18@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug25.085646.12416@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "speak white" - interesting choice since Quebec's limitation on access
>>>>>  to English schools is similar to that for access to "white" schools in
>>>>>  South Africa.
>>>>>
>>> 
>>> Thus, Potter brought in the comparison between Quebec and South Africa.
>>> For me, such comparison is exactly as comparing Quebec and Nazi laws.
>>> In other words, since some dumb or limited minded racists are doing
>>> some nit-picking about someone who MADE THE EFFORT of using their
>>> language, seems to be revolting that I used the word NAZI, I will explain.
>>> QC and S.A. are very far from being comparable, just like QC and NAZI
>>> are also far from being comparable.  But, why, if it is not by racism,
>>> do you made such a comparison?
>>
>>  I was not comparing Quebec to Nazi Germany. I was comparing the
>>  restriction on access to English schools in Bill 101 with the
>>  restriction on access to "white" schools in S.A.
>>
>>  If you say it is also comparable to Nazi Germany, that is your 
>>  opinion - I didn't say it.
>>
> The point I wa~ making is the situation is S.A. and Quebec are not 
> comparable.  [1] Black are majority in S.A., anglos are minority here.

Doesn't he keep saying French is tiny 2% minority in sea of English? 
 -  he can't get away with trying to have it both ways!!!!!!!!!!

> [2] Social status of Black in S.A. in regards of white is like comparing
> VOlks to Cadillac.  Social status depending on language in Quebec is nothing
> comparable.  [3] Blacks were in S.A. thousands of years before White.
> Anglos get in 2 centuries ago.  [4] Before 1976, the Quebec situation
> was closer to S.A. in that a minority was controlling most industries
> and applying racism against the majority.
>

When social status defines which classes of citizens have access,
and/or which classes don't, to certain public services (in this
example - schools in both cases) then certainly it is directly
comparable.

And there's that flip-floppy "minority" argument again.
 
>  [stuff deleted]
> ...
>
>>  What a great opportunity for them to learn French!
>>
>>  Why do you turn an opportunity into a legal obligation?
>>
>>  What anglophones said or said not to francophones some 30 odd years ago
>>  has nothing to do with whether my children should be able to go to
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  school in their own language.
>
>>  Unless, as I think I have understood from your previous postings, you
>>  hold my 6 year old son (born to parents who emigrated here from 
>>  England after the 1980 referendum) somehow responsible for what you
>>  perceive to be the sins of the anglophones of the past here.
>>
> 
> vvvvvv
> It has because yesterday explains today.
>

"Visiting the inequities of the fathers upon the children unto
the third and fourth generation" (Exodus chapter 2?)

(Even when they are not desendants!)

> On a la quelqu'un qui est venu au Quebec pour que ses enfants apprennent
> le francais (il nous l'a repete) et qui se plaint parce que ses
> enfants doivent aller a l'ecole francaise!  Un bon sujet pour rec.humor ;^)
> 

Isn't it possible to learn French in an immersion program in 
an English school?

Haven't you been reading my postings, Denis?

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