HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jdhebert@mtu.edu (JEFFREY D. HEBERT)
Subject: Re: The media will choose the next president
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:56:48 GMT


>> Every time I here
>>>someone bitching because there is not enough student aid or loans available
>>>I recall all the people I met as an undergraduate whose primary purpose in
>>>going to college was to avoid going to work and keep the party from high
>>>school going. 
>>
>>I'm going to assume that you haven't been to school in some time.
>>Becuase school, for middle-class people like me, is something you 
>>fit around work. (I've been trying to put myself through school for
>>5 years now.)
>
>   I got my undergraduate and graduate degrees during the eighties and I
>don't think the general campus atmosphere has changed much.  A LOT of
>partying still goes on in the undergraduate ranks.  I read once that at
>most US schools the trend is that at the end of freshman year, half the
>class is gone, at the end of sophomore year the class is reduced by half
>again, etc..  So the final graduating class size is about 1/16 that of the
>original freshman enrollment.


I may be able to clear some of this Higher Education crap.  I go to an 
engineering school.  The students here pride themselves on being able to 
drink heavily and stay in school.  The freshmen class here is usually around
1200 students.  I don't know any hard statistics, but I know that the upper
classes tend to be just slightly smaller.  I think about 1000 students 
graduate each year.  I attended the spring commencement this past year, and 
there were a lot of EEs and Mechanical Engineers graduating.  (About 400 in
each of those majors, compared to 80 Chemical Engineers, 100 Civil and 40
Environmental.)

Of the students who drop out, most are because they are not interested in the 
program, or cannot learn the material.  Tech may be different from other schools,
but most of the students stick it out for the degree.

I admire our friend Garrett who is working and going to school at the same time.
I work 10 hours a week along with 17 credits, ( 12 is full time ) and find it is
hard to keep up.  Most of my tuition is paid with student loans.  I know a few 
students who work full time and take 6 credits a term.  They are on the 10 year 
plan you might say.  

Good luck Garrett!



Me   (Jeff Hebert)			You may think you are unique,
jdhebert@chem9.chem.mtu.edu		But I am the only ME!
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From: tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu (tom)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.election
Subject: Re: Computer Simulation: Perot/Bush/Clinton
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:09:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Lab Rats

In article <1992Aug26.035633.8666@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:

}Anyone have any suggestions to improve this simulation?

how about modelling the real situation and including _all_ of the
candidates. does PE include enough detail to list candidates state by
state? this is important since bush, clinton and marrou are the only
ones who will be on all 50 ballots. perot will be on 30-35 and i'm not
sure about fulani, hagelin, and the various other fringe candidates but
they all missed a fair number of ballot deadlines.

and i don't morale is that bad. i'd rate it about 5 instead of 3.
do they have a newer version of this program?
-- 
tom@udel.edu                                        ...!{gateway}!udel!tom
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu           UDel: School of Life and Health Sciences

"Themes were useless; Destiny was here, and the foot pedals were bleeding."
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:40:15 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Aug29.180940.20441@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.225637.23448@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.224316.8107@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>>
>>>If the same applies to the vice president, then this requirement
>>>means that no president/vice president can run for reelection.
>>>
>>>In other words, Bush's texas residence DOES have election eligibility
>>>reasons.
>>
>>Er, why?  Neither President nor Vice President are tied to any
>>district.
>
>Why?  Read the 12th amendment.
>
>The president and vice-president are required to be from different
>states and DC is considered a state when it comes to electing
>presidents.

OK.  Thanks.



--
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections
From: birdman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Kush)
Subject: Re: George Will on the GOP
Keywords: brainless linear bastards
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:49:44 GMT

>Aren't you the guy that just posted an article telling someone else to keep 
>their blathering off the net?  To quote you 'shit still stinks,' so why 
>don't you join him?

Yes, but *my* blathering is more important. :)

birdman





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From: lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.202312.4362@den.mmc.com> sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:
>lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>
>
>>Someone else's morals don't have to be imposed. In fact, that's the
>>whole point of original poster: people shouldn't impose their morals
>>on anyone else. We live in a society, and the main job of society is
>>to protect its members both from outside attack, or from other members.
>>(When a society starts to protect you from yourself it is starting to
>>become a totalitarian society). In your example, society has the obligation
>>to stop you because it is protecting its members. It does not have the
>>right to stop two consenting people from having sex because no one
>>needs to be protected here. Since the sex is consensual, no one's rights
>>are being violated. You are free to follow your own morals, as long as
>>you don't violate the rights of others in the society. This simple restriction
>>is the price to pay to have your rights protected. Which of your rights
>>are being violated when someone is promiscious?
>
>Golly gee!  That's it!  A man who sleeps around on his wife isn't
>committing adultery, he's merely following his own morals!  And as long
>as he doesn't contract and then pass along AIDS to his wife, she should
>have no complaints, since he was just pursuing pleasure.
>
>I can see it clearly now, thanks!
>John

Well, since we were talking about passing out condoms in schools, I was
refering to an unmarried person being promiscious. Adultery is a crime,
and rightly so. A married person has basically entered into a legal agreement
in which one of the provisions is monogamy. As for someone contracting AIDS
and knowingly passing it along to a partner, this could be made a crime,
because the person is infringing on his/her partner's rights by deliberatly
giving her/him a fatal disease. Now let me ask my question again and I'll
modify it slightly so as not to confuse the issue: assuming there are no
std's involved, which of your rights are being violated when an unmarried
person is promiscious?

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: REPUBLICAN PLATFORM WANTED
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:22:49 GMT

mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok) writes:
[..]
>For your information, I am not a Republican and I intend to vote Democratic. 
>But the other party's platform still deserves some attention.  

I agree. My tauting was directed at the Republicans who have not made
their platform available, not at you. I'm sorry if this was unclear.

[...]
>Someone serious please give me a pointer.  Thank you.
[...]

Seriously, it does not seem to be on-line. Possible reason include:

It is too long too scan in (it really is 85 pages long).
It is not widely available even on paper.
It is not in an exchangeable electronic form.
People who have it, are too busy doing other things to make it available.
People who have it, don't want it distributed because it might hurt the party.

- Carl



--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: fay@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Murphy Murphy Murphy
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:55:35 -0500
Summary: Brown Brown Brown
Keywords: Dan Dan Dan
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

(Even as I write this, I know that it is more for fun than elucidation.)

Okay, Quayle makes some shots at Murphy Brown last spring ( aprogram he still
hasn't even seen.  One of the first things I was taught was to not talk about
things you don't know about with anyone other than your friends.).

He actually was on a decent topic, something he doesn't get credit for too
often.

Unfortunately, he chose about the worst possible way to make his point.  (Even
IF Murphy Brown promotes bad values, what the heck is the VP going to do about
it?  And if he's about to go in for the censorship business, can he get
something done about removing Susan Dey from TV once and for all?)

So, now Murphy wins a ton of Emmy awards.  (And don't tell me that some of
those votes weren't from people in TV saying "fuck you Dan".)

What does the Vice President do the next day?  Ignore it?  Say, "well, we're
over-looking the issues here?"

NO!!!!!!

He's still spending time on it!

Look, I'll even give people my list o'reasons why the last example he should
have used in the first place was Murphy Brown.

But on a more serious note.   Doesn't the whole issue indicate that Danforth
may be more than a little bit of a light-weight.  (and please, I am actually
looking for some proof to the contrary, not bad jokes or knee-jerk defending of
him).

My disclaimer:  I'm not left of politics, I'm not right of politics.  I'm above
politics.  (okay, sort it's sort of snide...)








Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl)
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:41:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.135803.10046@sinix.UUCP> ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone) writes:

>
>I really don't get it.  Some one please explain it to me.  <man, if that
>doesn't turn out to be an unnecessary request>  Make sure that kid is
>born.  Don't give a shit about him until he uses the guns you make sure he
>has access to for purposes of crime.  Pour money into the police.  Catch
>that fucker and put him in The Chair.
>

And you forgot to mention that, since it is primarily minority women
who won't be able to afford to fly to Switzerland for abortions, the
place'll soon be crawling with Niggers, Spics etc.

As for an explanation, that's pretty easy.  If the Republicans were
able to think nine months ahead, do you think the economy would be
in the shape it's in.  Actually, mayb outlawing an abortion is just
a way to mmake sure there'll be enough people in the future to pay
off the debts that the GOP is currently racking up.





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From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Why Should I vote for Clinton? (long)
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:13:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug25.181543.2551@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>
>Reading the same story in multiple places merely demonstrates that
>it's been printed in multiple places.  That isn't "verification",
>especially with an incestuous press that believes itself.
>
So are you saying you think the story about Bush distorting Clinton's
tax record ("128" tax hikes) is bogus? Do you believe that claiming
Clinton raised taxes 128 times was an honest statement for Bush to make?
And that only the horribly liberally biased media, including the Wall Street
Journal, are doing the distorting?

Andy, will you believe absolutely *anything* Bush says, or what?
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From: dks@MIT.EDU (dks)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Admiral John Poindexter Surfaces!
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:17:19 GMT
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 Admiral John Poindexter Surfaces At Software Firm
 
 SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 1992 AUG 25 (NB) -- Admiral
 John Poindexter is now working for TP Systems, the company that
 is developing Analyst, a new debugger for developers to use
 with Desqview. Poindexter was formerly National Security
 Advisor to President Reagan during the Iran Contra affair.
 
 Poindexter served under Reagan from December 4, 1985 to November
 25, 1986 and said in congressional hearings he authorized the
 diversion of funds to Iranian Contras but had not informed
 President Reagan of his actions. He was tried and convicted of
 conspiracy and perjury and sentenced to six months in prison,
 (Grolier's Encyclopedia, 1991 ed.).
 
 Poindexter told Newsbytes his Ph.D. in Physics from California
 Institute of Technology is the background he uses to work on
 the Analyst debugger which will be marketed by Quarterdeck.
 Poindexter says he's programmed for 30 years and is also
 credited with development of a multiport communications
 system; an algorithm for detecting changes and patterns in
 digitized video images in real time; and a laboratory data
 collection and analysis system.
 
 [...]

 Poindexter is vice president of TP Systems. Also representing
 TP Systems is Mike Todd, known for founding the Capital PC User
 Group and the IBM Special Interest Groups on CompuServe, The
 Source, and Unison.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:35:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug27.185934.15283@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.130233.7176@news.uiowa.edu> williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
>>And my unscientific opinion is that there is one major cause for
>>unwanted pregnancy: ineffective birth control.
>
>That unscientific opinion seems to have little basis in this reality.
>
>Few of the "teen" pregnancies are due to ignorance or inaccessible
>birth control, let alone failures.  They're the natural consequence of
>sex by people who WANT to get pregnant or don't care whether or not
>they do.  Unless someone is proposing some sort of mandatory birth
>control (norplant?), birth control policy can't affect that.
>
>-andy

Data? Statistics?  How the hell do you know this?

Just because birth control is accessible doesn't mean that younger teenagers 
know how to use it properly.  Or the consequences of not using it properly.  
With the Republican legacy of gutting educaton, and their fucked up theofacist
platform (which is against ANY kind of sex education) this is unlikely to
change if the President is re-elected.  

-H



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From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Rev Bush at it again
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:42:13 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory

It seems Rev Bush is attacking the Democrats for not containing
the letters G-O-D in their platform. Bush certainly is willing
to do anything to get elected, including handing the Replublican
Party over the Fundies (which hopefully will have the opposite effect).

My disgust at this prospect is attenuated a bit by the
splendid photographic essay on the front page of NYTimes.
It contains two photographs of equal dimension side by
side. One of Clinton wearing a medal, smiling, and one
of Bush with his hands raised over his head, casting
a gross shadow on his face, with a half-buttoned coat,
looking like a putrid heap of sin. Way to go NYTimes!

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 1 Sep 1992 23:56:11 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

In article <1992Sep1.120454.4688@ornl.gov>, de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
|> At least two people in this debate have asked for a definition of promiscuity. 
|> 
|> Well?  We're still waiting....
|> 
|> Or is it not as black and white as you first thought?
|> 
|> -- 
|> Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)	   For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
|> Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
|> Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham

I have already posted Websters definition.  As it applies to sex:

	Having intercourse with more than one person.

Frightening, isn't it.  I got no response from those that consider promiscuity
as casual encounters with large numbers of partners.  Guess they like their
image better than the reality.

-- 
_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's Economic plan attacked)
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:39:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton

In article <5110@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> sdbst5+@pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) writes:
"In article <1992Aug17.174255.16003@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> ernie@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ernie Corley) writes:
">In article <1992Aug13.023553.20420@cs.tulane.edu> lang@cs.tulane.edu (Raymond Lang) writes:
">>So how does _Bush_ propose to alleviate the tax burden on
">>the poor? Does he think they'll benefit from a capital gains tax cut?
">           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
">
">Actually, the poor would benefit quite a bit from a capital gains tax
">cut.....  much more so than the rich.  Investment fuels the
">economic engine that creates jobs, creates prosperity, and creates 
">opportunity for ALL to advance!  
"
"Grow up!! :-)  |-) ;-)  %)  8-()  |(
"If this was unambiguously so, then there would be no argument.  While I think
"on balance that a capital gains cut would benefit the economy for those 
"reasons mentioned, I think that the Reagan '80s showed us that much of the 
"extra revenues generated by tax cuts would be funneled into dissapative
"consumption.  A capital gains cut should not be the centerpiece of an
"economic recovery plan.  It is naive to think that it would promote the 
"kind and levels of investment needed to make this economy move.
"
"Steve Brener
"
"

Hear Hear!!! I've always said that the trickle-down theory doesn't work
quite right since its a voluntary thing and very few rich people are
anything but greedy.

We need a compulsory trickle down policy. We need to guarentee a certain
standard of living for people We need to guarentee:

    * Housing 
    * Health Care
    * Jobs
 
Any society which does not do so is sick and will eventually collapse. 
The Republicans are NOT the ones to do this for us as they are the 
Selfish Party. All of there rhetoric is along the lines of "Why should
we have to pay to support societies infrastructure." Their platform is
geared towards selfishness with its promises geared at people's pocket
books. It does not call on people to give of themselves (money, time,
etc). Thats the difference between the Rep's and the Dem's. Thats why
the great presidents (FDR, Kennedy) chose the Democratic Party. 

Please help save our nation. VOTE CLINTON/GORE in 1992!!!

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: George Will on the GOP
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:51:12 GMT

In article <1864@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
> George Wills articles are carried quite often in Conservative Chronicles and
>he has been taking some rather strange positions lately. Two weeks before the
>GOP convention he joined the feeding freenzy and suggested that President Bush
>step down. Where was George 12 months ago when all the Conservatives came down
>hard on Bush and threatened to desert if he didnt move back to the right ?

George Will has been hard on George Bush for a long time.  He came into
great disfavor with Bush when he called him a "lap dog" 5-6 years ago.
Bush reputedly has never forgiven him for that.

And to my knowledge, George Will has never lightened up on Bush.  So I wonder
why you wonder where he was 12 months ago.  :-)

Mark [I can't believe I'm posting in this group] Mallett
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From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms  (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:05:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug26.150756.6925@cbnews.cb.att.com> jap@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.a.parker) writes:

>   a) Pleasure is a positive value.
>   b) It is immoral to deprive people of pleasure simply because you disapprove
>      of the means of obtaining it.

Let's say I find it pleasurable to find virgins off the street, kidnap them
torture them break a few of their bones, abuse their bodies, have sex with
them, and if they have children, molest them too then burn them alive and 
bury them and pile all the ash in my backyard.

What?  You disapprove of me kidnapping and stealing people of the street?
How could you!  It is immoral to deprive me of my pleasure simply because
you disapprove of the means of obtaining it!