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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Retcons and Dr. Doom (Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC)
Keywords: marvel doom simonson byrne retcons
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:38:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Actually, concerning the scarless man in Doom 2099 who professes to be Dr.Doom,
I had kind of a thought.  Does anyone remember back around Secret Wars time, or
perhaps a little before where Doc Doom had his conciousness transferred to some
poor schmuck's body, who then killed his family or something.
Anyhow, this poor fool was "destroyed" by an energy blast from the Beyonder
(I think, if not then somebody please post and correct me, 'cause my memories
are faulty during this period :)   ).  Now, I think it just might be possible
that this new Doom is that guy!  After all, during his operation he had wierd
flashbacks about memories that weren't his own, etc.  Should be interesting
to see how they explain him.


Mike C.  (Zen)

-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
From: klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:52:51 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting
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In article <1992Dec20.065457.25860@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>"Stanley and His Monster" (first of a four-part mini-series) is probably
>the best comic book to appear this week.  As he did with "Angel and the Ape",
>Foglio has updated a minor piece of DC history, but this one is better.
>
>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay):
>>Cover: This should satisfy all the fanboys who've been clamoring for a
>>"grittier, meaner, more realistic" Stanley & His Monster.
>
>Great cover!  But I very much doubt that many fanboys have been directing
>much clamoring at this title.

One thing I wonder -- is the guy (not PF) on the cover supposed 
to be some specific editor?

>>This is a retcon. The Monster was originally a good-tempered monster; 
>>Foglio has made him a demon exiled from Hell.
>
>Stanley knows, in this version, that his monster is from Hell, but he
>clearly doesn't know what that means.  The monster's throwaway lines
>about Hell keep going over his head.  One of the better ones comes in
>the first panel of page 2, where Stanley is talking rebellion and the
>monster says "At least you had an excuse."

Ummm...that's not how I saw it.  Stanley is pretending to be a colonial
American and says "That's why I'm revolting!"  The monster's response
is a reference to the disco suit he's wearing.

(get it? -revolting-? >:^) )


-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@frith.egr.msu.edu|  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton 
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sphinges and Second Thoughts
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:31:34 GMT

In <168BD10679.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>Some minor spoilers about Sandman #46
>>
>   Couple of threads here just sparked something in my head.
>   In _The Game of You_, Wanda and the homeless woman died in a freak
>weatherstorm (if my memory serves me correctly.)
>   Do you think they were the first along the whomever's hit parade/ death
>march?

No, it was a side effect of Thessaly bringing down the Moon.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
    AHA!  I'll bounce off that broad, flat surface and be in a lot of pain!
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Transformers the toy, animated, and comic line
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:20:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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I checked out Kay-Bee at the local mall to see if they had any of the new 
TF stuff out, but I couldn't find any.  This must mean different parts of 
the world are getting it at the same time.  Innnnnteresting.
	--MikE...Shockwave would find that quite illogical, I'm sure.

-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31
From: jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:34:06 GMT

Actually, the question should be "Why is PAD the only artist/writer on the
net?"  Peter, are you a closet computer nerd?  Considering Tony Isabella was
willing to give you his last name, why don't you give him a usenet account?
Then we can send him get well soon email.

jim

-- 
Plumbers Motto:  A flush beats a full house.
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From: axjb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Anthony Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:04:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

> In what film was the question posed, "If Superman and Mighty Mouse
> got into a fight who would win?"

The film was "Stand by me", an adaption of a Stev(ph?)en King story.

	Anthony.

"Did I dream you dreamed about me?" 
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: A Distant Soil (Aria Press)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:37:19 EST

In article <Bz3suC.5tI@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
ctkierst@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Caroline Kierstead) writes:
 
>I take it you never saw the original version of the series?  If Ms.
>Doran is keeping things the same, Seren is trying to bring down the
>current form of government because he's disillusioned with them and
>the use they make of the avatar's position.  If I understood things
>correctly, he was the avatar who let many of the children with potentially
>dangerous powers live when his duty would have been to have them killed.
>When this was discovered, the children (now adults) were hunted down.
>Jason and Lianna's father was one of the ones who escaped.  It also
>sounded like Seren and their father (whose name I conveniently forgot)
>had some sort of (probably intimate) relationship.  This shared past
>caused some friction between Seren and Lianna...  Now, how much of
>this stays the same in the new version is something else.
 
Yeah, I know the "official" reason Seren is rebelling against his own
government, but I'm wondering if he maybe has some darker motives as well.
Your speculation about a possible relationship between Seren and Aeren is
exactly the type of thing I mean.
 
I've got a couple of thoughts about that.  How would Liana know about the
relationship.  Even though she is a telepath, I'm sure Seren is adequately
shielded.  Anyway, the one time she linked with him, Bast helped him to throw
her out.  (And in the process discovered his true identity.)
 
Here's an idea I've got.  Look at the similarity between the names Seren and
Aeren.  I know that normally the Ovanan don't have children, but what if
some couple (namely Seren and an as-yet-unidentified female) decided to try
it on the sly.  Hence, the birth of Aeren and Seren's decision to stop hunting
Variants for the selfish reason of saving his own son.  (In a side note,
having children on the sly was also the topic of a book called _Children
of Arable_.)
 
>Actually, on a similar topic, the advance order catalog lists up to
>#6 being ready for order though it seems no-one has seen anything past
>#2.  Anybody know the scoop on this?
>
 
That's precisely the reason why I wrote my original posting!  :-)
 
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McFarlane's art
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:30:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <92347.133822AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>P.S. The Tick has the best Letter column. Most hilarious!

The Tick #12 is out now?

I GOTTA GO!!! BYE!!!!
	--MikE...SPOON!

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Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
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From: orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando)
Subject: Sandman - I KNOW where Destruction is
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 06:01:42 GMT

Ok Ok.  before all you go flaming me on this.  Look over
issue 1 and 3 of the Brief Lives series.  Read the opening
section with Orpheus on the islands.... and listen to the beginning
when Andros is looking over at the other island.  He says he 
sees figures on that island.  Study the way the house is designed...
the way the trees are setup.. then...
read issue 3 where Destruction is painting on his island....
the roof seems similars... the design (porch protruding from the building)
is similar... and the trees are line up similar... although the 
Olive tree may be hard to place.. both are on isles and both seem
to be set on Grecian islands.. It seems that Destruction is on the
island opposite of Orpheus'.  
Maybe that is why Gaiman introduces Orpheus in the beginning of the storyline..
it seemed in the beginning he had no place in the story.. but now...
only Gaiman holds the truth.  But I think I am right.

Ok.  Flame all you want.
Peter
orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
From: efox@unssun.nevada.edu (Eric Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Stan Lee
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:47:27 GMT
Reply-To: efox@unssun.nevada.edu (Eric Fox)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

With all this talk about Stan the Man going around the net, I was curious--
has anyone out there actually met him?  I ask because from what I've seen,
read, heard about or from him, he kind of seems like...oh...an obnoxious
twit, maybe?

Y'know, kinda like the weird dork who sat behind you in seventh grade english
class and shot spitballs at you?

I don't know...maybe he's actually a kind, loving human being who just happens
to like to annoy the hell out of people with his "Excelsior!!!!" and cute
little nicknames for all his staff...he just seems like the typical Hollywood
flake...the ultimate schmooze (as someone on the net pointed out...)

Just wonderin'.........:-)


				-Fox-
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kyle Baker is black!!  Wow!! (was Re: Black artists...)
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:03:02 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec11.215424.12069@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.104752.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
>> Phillip "Will trade kidneys for a copy of 'The Cowboy Wally Show'" Birmingham

>Gee, first Charles mentions fathering a child for me due to my letting him
>read my copy, now Phillip's offering a pair of kidneys for TCWS. Having a
>copy of this thing's better than having a personal organ bank.

Yeah, but do you have a copy of the novelization of "Buckaroo Bonzai"?

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: How Many Mutants?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:40:22 GMT

Michael Lush (mjl17@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: 	Does anyone have a rough idea of the frequency of latent mutants
: on marvel Earth.

One per every potential $1 spent on Marble comics.

Scott
From: birmingh@fnalf.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kyle Baker is black!!  Wow!! (was Re: Black artists...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:15:03 -0600
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In article <71633@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> Kyle Baker did the "Classics Illustrated" version of "Cyrano de Bergerac
> "...which I thought was kinda okay.
> 
> Peter David (who has both "The Cowboy Wally Show" (signed by Kyle, thank
> you very much, complete with Cowboy Wally sketch) and the novelization of
> Buckaroo Banzai, and is not in the market for any body parts (but is
> looking around for a Mercury Villager...))

         Tell me what it looks like, and I'll STEAL you one! :-)

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
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From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Re: Hermin Vermin II ..
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:26:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.043110.8695@athena.mit.edu> murph@athena.mit.edu (Keith E Murphy) writes:
>If you liked Gregory, I think you'd best look through this book before buying
>it...  Gregory II it is NOT!!!
>Herman Vermin has his moments but is not fit to be a main character, IMHO.

Well, *I* liked it.  It had several good belly laughs, and more chuckles.
Gotta admit though, the parts with Gregory were best.

"Is it necrophelia if I'm dead too?"

jim

-- 
Plumbers Motto:  A flush beats a full house.
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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Egyptian Comics(was: ANIA Statement in CBG)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:45:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.15077.2b2b143e
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1992Dec12.215726.20277@hellgate.utah.edu>, speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
> This is getting real far away from comics though.  Are there any good
 comics that deal seriously with Egyptian religion and culture?
You mean, like The Mighty Isis?  Based on the hit Saturday morning
TV show.
Mark Balbes-couldn't resist buying the above for a quarter a few
weeks ago.
EOB]     
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From: lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Books of Magic: Titania may *not* be Tim's mother
Organization: The little Squids of the Poor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:42:57 GMT

In <1992Dec11.022413.9509@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

[Tyg e-corresponds with Neil Gaiman.]

>In his response, he didn't say whether she was or not, but he did say that
>the RPG is *not* to be taken as canon and that the "contents are generally
>up to the standard of the drawing of Death on the cover".

To give you an idea of how low a value Gaiman places on it, here's my
reaction to the above statement:

"That's supposed to be Death!?! Really? I suppose she is wearing an ankh,
but still..."

>So it seems to me it's either deliberately vague (which fits for faerie and
>magic) or not the case. Certainly the RPG can't be used as evidence for it.

Well, I did say it was a dubious source. In defense of Magic (not Books of
Magic) I will say that it does provide some worthwhile footnotes to each of 
the sections. So while I wouldn't take what Greenberg says at face value, he
does give you pointers to look up the primary sources.  

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From: aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Do we need a rec.arts.comics.sandman?
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:20:44 GMT
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just my own opinion, but while I like checking up on Sandman here, I
doubt I would subscribe to a special bboard.


>To start it off, you post a RFD crossposted with this group and news.groups
>and we all discuss it for a month (at least).  Then you do a CFV for a 
>similar period of time.

I don't want this to sound like a flame or anything, but some of us have
no clue what RFD or a CFV means. Please keep in mind that when your
explaining a procedure to someone new, acronyms son't mean a whole lot.
Sorry. Pet peeve. (Do you know how long it took me to figure out what
IMHO and BTW meant? My poor widdle bwain!)




Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."     
                                                               
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:07:45 -0500 
From: Jay Laefer <jl57+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
	<1992Dec18.005733.6105@psych.toronto.edu>

michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.224119.23762@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >But the fact is that Dream's
> >known lovers all seem to be linked to Earth
> 
> Don't forget that female on the plane with all the twinkly lights...
> (SOM #1).

Also, there's no proof that Alianora is human, or from Earth.  For all
we know, she's from Daxam or other Earth-like planet.  According to
the History of the DC Universe, there are *lots* of planets that have
human-looking inhabitants.  Alianora could be from any one of them.
Alianora's only (vague) link to Earth so far is that her skerry was
being used by Barbie, but that's about it.

We know Nada's from Earth.  And we know that Calliope was a Muse from
Greece.  The rest haven't been specified, so I don't think we can
(yet) make any definite statement about all of Dream's lovers.

Minor nitpick:  That would be SOM #0, not #1.  There were 8 issues:
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,oo (infinity).

	-Jay
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg Spira)
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:31:55 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec15.233437.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo of the Lamp) writes:
>jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
>> Actually, the question should be "Why is PAD the only artist/writer on the
>> net?"  Peter, are you a closet computer nerd?  Considering Tony Isabella was
>> willing to give you his last name, why don't you give him a usenet account?
>> Then we can send him get well soon email.
>
>	Uh, because Peter is willing to pay Portal the big buck$ necessary
>to get Usenet access, and other writers and artists are unwilling or unable
>to spend like that?

Actually, at this point, there are in many places - especially cities -
fairly cheap ways to get on Usenet.  I don't really know what Portal
charges, but I suspect that many writers/artists could find cheaper
ways to get on.

I suspect what Senor David suggests is closer to the mark:  rac is not all
that friendly-looking an enviroment for most people.  Yes, it appears rac
has finally gotten all the "Should Pros be On The Net" debates out of its
system, but it still doesn't display an inviting attitude towards pros.

Anyway, if we had more pros we'd probably have to go through lots of "Is
Todd Comic-Book-Writer The Comic-Book Writer?" threads, just like we have
to go through the "Is He The Peter David" thread a couple of times a year.

Greg 

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From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:54:49 GMT

In article <Bz8Kuy.4w4@news.udel.edu>, krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John
Krupski) wrote:
> 
> In article <Bz7wCy.LzI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
> ObRetconFantasy:  The Old Man came from the Marvel Universe in the first 
> place.  Everything he told Ken Connell was a lie.  Ken Connell himself is
> only an amnesiac future version of Wendell Vaughn who got stuck there 
> somehow.  (Ever notice how he had no family and only a couple of friends?)
> (That also accounts for the close physical resemblance.)  The whole New
> Universe never had any cosmic energy in it at all, before the Old Man,
> or since.  If (OH PLEASE, IF) there's never any more crossovers between
> the MU and the NU, then the New Universe can continue the way it was
> MEANT to be, the way it SHOULD be, PURE.
> 
> Tiny particles of Pitt Juice are floating in the atmosphere.  There are 
> monsters living in the lava tunnels beneath Mount Pittsburg... 
> That's ENOUGH excitement for one world!  I don't EVER want to see
> Charly meet Spider-Man, Blur race Quicksilver, Dave wrestle with Bruce,    
> Justice struggle against Magneto, Wayne try to push Xavier, Boyd shake
> hands with Rogue, Johnny and Johnny flame on in unison, ad nauseum!
> That would RUIN the WHOLE POINT!  What Gruenwald has done is surgically
> remove from the NU the only thing that didn't belong.  Any more would be
> fixing it too much.
> 


We already know how Gruenwald feels about the need to clean up danglers 
from old Marvel continuity (he's like a one-man Crisis) - he's even 
brought back the Balck Fleet from the Questprobe tie-in comics for God's 
sake.

Anyone want to lay odds on whether or not he's building up to explaining 
the White Event in the pages of Quasar?

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From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Phone # for DC?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:43:22 GMT
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