HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: h198@hosp.med.umich.edu  (Gene Mangum)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: NNTP newsreader and PC/TCP
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993  19:24 EDT
Organization: Univ of Michigan Hospitals
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: condor.hosp.med.umich.edu
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0

In Article <C184EK.xp@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com> "scotts@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com (Scott Shaffer @ Compaq Computer Corp.)" says:
> I'm looking for an NNTP newsreader than runs on top of FTPs PC/TCP?  Either
> Windows or DOS based is fine.
 
  If you're not in too much of a hurry, I hope to be releasing the
  newsreader that I'm currently developing "Real Soon Now".   It is
  a DOS text-windowed program called FTPNuz.   I will announce
  availibility in this group.   Stay Tuned!

+=================================+=========================================+  
| Gene Mangum                     |  OS/2 ver 2 - Increased productivity    |
| Univ of Michigan Hospitals      |               through the use of a      |
| h198@hosp.med.umich.edu         |               "dead" operating system.  |
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From: rcq@FTP.COM (Bob Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: How to communicate with packet drivers
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:18:07 GMT
Reply-To: rcq@ftp.com
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hi Kevin!

>   I am writing an MS-DOS application that will work like lpr.  I would like to
>   know if there is a "standard" way for applications to communicate with
>   packet drivers, and where I could find information about that.  If there
>   is not, I am using a WD8003 card and the packet driver wd8003e.com that comes
>   with it.  Could anyone help me find information about using that particular
>   packet driver, at least?  Thanks...
>   
>     -Kevin
>      kpb@springs.cis.ufl.edu

Any Packet Driver, by definition, has a standard interface which
adheres to the packet driver interface standard.  The latest
version (v1.09) can anonymously ftp'd from vax.ftp.com in
/pub/packet-d.*, it will give you details of how to use the API.

Just so you know, the Packet Driver is a Media Access Control
(MAC) layer driver (layer 2 in the OSI model).  In other words,
it doesn't have the Network or Transport layers (3 and 4 in the
OSI model, respectively).  You will need network and transport
to implement the lpr application protocol.

Rather than trying to tackle implementation of the TCP/IP protocol
suite you may be better off finding a stack with a higher level
API available (like Berkeley Sockets).

Good Luck!
--
 Bob Quinn                                             rcq@ftp.com
 FTP Software, Inc.                                No. Andover, MA

Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:7687 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:17098 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:3097 comp.os.msdos.programmer:12446
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.os.msdos.programmer
Subject: Re: BOOTP, pkt drivers, and ethernet board type (SUMMARY)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

>>> On 19 Jan 93 22:03:37 GMT, vladimir@intrepid.com (Vladimir Vukicevic) said:

pcg> The problem is those dozen or so types of cards. In order to start
pcg> the whole process the right driver (and its configuration) must be
pcg> individuated [ ... ]

Vukicevic> I assume that all these PCs have a writeable HD partition
Vukicevic> [D:] (if not, forget this message! :).

They do, but I cannot rely on this...

Vukicevic> Why not just create a read-only/hidden file on D:, called,
Vukicevic> for example, netstart.bat.

...as the D: partition is r/w to everybody as a scratch area. The C:
partition is r/o so that users cannot tamper with it; D: is not. We
cannot depend on user not to remove the read-only/hidden file on D:;
indeed they can reformat D: at will, and even worse, D: gets actually
reformatted on the first boot of the day.

All in all I think that the better ideas I came up with (one of them was
also suggested in an e-mail contribution) are:

1)	find 4-5 unassigned bits in the CMOS RAM, and define as new
	'ethernet board type' field in it, just as now there are two
	6 bit 'hard drive type' fields.

2)	put the ethernet board type in a spare byte in the boot block or
	in the partition table as a fake partition or in a spare sector
	on track 0.

If I come around to writing a nice command 'ethertype [get | put NN] I
will post it...

Has anybody got any suggestion as to whether there are any unassigned
bits in the CMOS RAM of any/most AT class machines?


--
Piercarlo Grandi <pcg@aber.ac.uk> c/o Dept of CS
University of Wales, Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK
From: mike@atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: Where to find the Latest NCSA binaries
Date: 23 Jan 1993 02:03:05 GMT
Organization: IPTC, University of Tuebingen, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de

dgalekov@encore.com (Dale Galekovic) writes:

>I'm looking for a site (name and internet address) where retrieve the latest
>NCSA binaries. Any help would be appreciated...
The "master" site for NCSA-Telnet is zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu[141.142.20.50]
The directory is:  /PC/Telnet
Get the file tel2305b.zip (Binaries) and tel2305s.zip (Source code).

[sig deleted]

Michael Kuch

--

-------------------------------kuch@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
 "listen: there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go."
	                                       E.E. CUMMINGS 1894
From: bcmatusz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brian Matusz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Final call, TCP/IP for Windows BETA ...
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:12:39 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

Begin posted for a friend; followup to center03@cps201.cps.cmich.edu
====================================================================

A final call is being made for people who want to beta test a Windows-
based TCP/IP package.  It's a DLL based package that is Windows
Sockets v1.1 compliant.  It's currently being coded, beta is expected
in February.  Driver support included PPP, SLIP, CSLIP, and support
for DOS Ethernet and Token Ring drivers (Crynwr).

I'm also taking names for those interested in status on the project.

Followup to:
	Brad Wilson
	center03@cps201.cps.cmich.edu

-- 

---
bcmatusz@vela.acs.oakland.edu
"Use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment."
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: george@henson.cc.wwu.edu (George Hartnell)
Subject: Ping.exe
Summary: Where's a ping.exe for SMC/NCSA?
Keywords: ping ncsa
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:51:55 GMT

Subject sez all, wheresit? Possibly more important, howzit used?

Best regards, G.

-- 
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************* George Hartnell, Western Washington University ****************
george@henson.cc.wwu.edu, Computer Center, Bellingham, Wa. 98225 206-676-2975
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: tneser@mzes.sowi.uni-mannheim.de (Thomas Neser)
Subject: KA9Q NOS and slip
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:32:05 CET
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik, Mannheim (FRG)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hello,
i want to know how to use a pc running KA9q NOS and having
a ethernet card accessed via packet driver to connect to
our unix as a router. I want to put an second pc to it via
nullmodemcable and slippacketdriver. 
Telnet and ftp between the two pcs works fine but i want
to telnet from the pc with no ethernet card via slip through the 
pc having the ethernet card to a unix host.
Thanks for any ideas
---
Thomas Neser,
Zeus im MZES, Universitaet Mannheim, Steubenstr. 46, D-W-6800 Mannheim, Germany
INTERNET: fs21@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de               FAX: +49-621-292-8435
From: apollo@buengc.bu.edu (Doug A. Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: SLIP over modem btw PC-NFS & Annex 3?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:19:40 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: apollo@buengc.bu.edu

This problem has been gnawing at me for a while....
How the heck do I get a SLIP connection between PC-NFS 4.0 and
the Annex 3 terminal server to work over a dialup connection?

If someone has gotten the above combination to work, I'd much
appreciate it if you can give some hints!
FYI, I'd like to leave the dial-in port on the Annex to be in CLI
or adaptive mode (ie. not just dedicated to SLIP connections).

Here are the things I've already tried:
-Direct connection works:
  null modem cable btw PC-NFS machine and the Annex 3.  The Annex's
  port was configured to be a dedicated and hardwired slip connection.
  PC-NFS was set up to have a direct-connect slip port.
  Everything works fine and dandy here...

-Non-slip dialup works:
  Intel 400/e modem (v.32bis) on the Annex port.  The port is set
  for adaptive mode and dial-in connection.  Using a Procomm+ on a 
  PC w/another Intel modem, I can dial in and log on to other machines...
  Basically, I wanted to make sure there wasn't a flow control problem
  introduced in here.

-Direct connection that doesn't work:
  The annex port was now set into CLI or adaptive mode (meaning it is
  no longer dedicated to just slip) and PC-NFS was set up as dialup.
  I used PC-NFS's "connect -i" and got the annex's prompt and typed
  in 'slip' to put the port into slip mode.  Pressed F3 to get PC-NFS
  to get into slip mode. From there it hangs....  I'm probably doing
  something wrong here.

-Doug
apollo@buengc.bu.edu
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: KA9Q NOS and slip
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:17:43 GMT
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth


>>> On 23 Jan 93 01:09:46 GMT, tneser@mzes.sowi.uni-mannheim.de (Thomas
>>> Neser) said:

Neser> [ ... a PC runs NOS and is on an Ethernet; he wants another PC
Neser> to connect to the first via SLIP ... ]

Well, this is probably a kind of FAQ.

What you have to do is to setup the second PC to use the slip packet
driver, and the first PC as a gateway between SLIP and Ethernet.

To do this is relatively easy actually; let's say that pc 1 is on
ethernet and pc 2 is the one connected to it via slip.

A minimal autoexec.nos on pc 1 might be:

	ip address <ipaddr-1>

	attach packet 0x7d eth0 8 1500
	ifconfig eth0 netmask <netmask-1>
	ifconfig eth0 broadcast <broadcast-1>
	route add default eth0 <ipaddr-gw>

	attach asy 0x3f8 4 slip com1 2048 512 9600 cv
	route add com1 <ipaddr-2> direct

	rip add <broadcast-1> 300 1
	start rip

The last two lines may be replaced, but this is rather controversial,
with the following:

	arp publish <ipaddr-2> ether <etheraddr-1>

This is proxy ARP. If the other machines on the ethernet understand RIP,
proxy ARP should be avoided.

A minimal autoexec.nos on pc 2 might be:


	ip address <ipaddr-2>

	attach asy 0x3f8 4 slip com1 2048 512 9600 cv

	route add default com1 <ipaddr-11>

This is about all there is to it. CTS/RTS flow control may/may not be
useful, and Van Jacobson header compression will most certainly be
useful. Your serial ports may well support speeds higher than 9600 baud,
especially if they are 16550AFN based.
From: 158.114.17.157 (Emmett York)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Win Sockets
Followup-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:03:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eyork.mcl.bdm.com


Where can I get the windows sockets dll's?????????
From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Looking for BOOTP configurable LPR client.
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:31:53 GMT
Organization: Too many


I'm looking for an LPR client that will interface with packet drivers,
and will receive it's full configuration from BOOTP.  We've got
several different machine setups, and the only LPR I've got requires
some setup for every PC.

Any help, out there?
-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: .uk
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:10:38 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <memo.889132@cix.compulink.co.uk>, steveb@cix.compulink.co.uk 
(Steve Browne) writes:
> I'm pleased that the Windows Sockets thing is starting to pick up, but is 
> anyone actually in the process of writing a freely available winsock.dll ? 
> Maybe Microsoft are going to start distributing one with Windows itself. 
> Surely this would save confusion? Although, of course, vendors should be able 
> to create thier own also, as they may be better tuned. 
>  
> Steve Browne 
> PC Mag UK 
----------------
	Slowly now Steve. Let's say external TCP/IP stacks are all different,
which is telling the truth. Thus the .DLL has to speak to each stack in the
way that stack prefers, and that yields the simple conclusion of no free stack
means no free winsock.dll. Each commercial vendor will probably offer their
own .DLL.
	Joe D.
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From: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Subject: Re: printing from PC to AppleTalk (or UNIX)
Reply-To: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:17:07 GMT

In article <C1E5H9.2nH@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>, bee@watarts.uwaterloo.ca
 (Bill E. Eickmeier) wrote:
>What are my options for printing from a PC with an ethernet card to a
>UNIX box or AppleTalk'd printer? I know of NCSA's lpr and SUN's PCNFS,
>and I suppose CAP could get stuff over to AppleTalk, but are there any
>other methods worth investigating?

Farallon's PhoneNET PC 3.0 product lets a PC speak AppleTalk
to AppleTalk-connected printers directly, just like a Mac does.

Contact <farallon@farallon.com> for more information.

...Sam
-- 
<skl@wimsey.bc.ca> -- Connectivity Technology Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: jvera@tamarugo (VERA JORGE )
Subject: Problems on getting to run TechMail on our LAN
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:23:56 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile
Keywords: TechMail, Wollongong Pathway, LAN Manager 	


	  We are trying to put together a mail system for our 
	  network and we are trying TechMail. In addition to that 
	  we have running Wollongong Pathway and LAN manager,
	  but we are quite puzzled as how to put these three       
	  elements together.  We have already installed POP3
	  on our UNIX server, but we are getting a message from the 	
	  TechMail saying that it can not communicate to the version
	  server.   

	  Related to this we will appreciate any suggestions or
	  pointers to other user friendly mail packages that can 
      easily be installed in our setup. We have seen mentions
      of Eudora for PC, where can we find it, and how should we
	  install it (any special drivers or other setup needed?)

	  Thanks a lot for any help!                 


					   Jorge Vera
					   Departamento Ingenieria Industrial
					   Universidad de Chile
					   jvera@tamarugo.cec.uchile.cl


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From: cmitcdhd@dowsv01.osd.aes.doe.CA (Dave Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Help! DESQview/X with Network interface
Keywords: dvx desqview/x network packet driver
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:35:13 GMT
Reply-To: cmitcdhd@dowsv01.osd.aes.doe.CA (Dave Howard)
Organization: Environment Canada

In article <1jm91mINNacn@mirror.digex.com>, tstark@access.digex.com (Timothy M. Stark) writes:

|> 
|>     Please response me as soon as possible because it is very important for my 
|> deptarment here. Remember that DESQview/X is X-window emulator for PCs.
|> 
|> -- Tim Stark
|>    SUN System Administrator
|>>>>>    Internal Revenue Service    <<<<<
|> 
	I can't help but wonder how many (how few ?) people would leap to the 
task of aiding and abetting the tax man. ;-)

-- 
David Howard
Downsview Client Services
Atmospheric Environment Service
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: EtherLink II/16 TP packet driver needed 
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 03:26:49 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <1993Jan20.181056.20550@dres.dnd.ca> lsidor@dres.dnd.ca writes:

      The subject line pretty well says it all.  I have a 16 bit EtherLink II
   card (EtherLink II/16 TP) that I need a packet driver for.  Could someone
   please tell me where I can get it.

The 3c503.com packet driver will run the 3c503/16 in 16-bit mode.  Get it
from all your fav packet driver sources...

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> What canst *thou* say?
Crynwr Software           Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St.              315-268-1925 Voice  |  LPF member - ask me about
Potsdam, NY 13676         315-268-9201 FAX    |  the harm software patents do.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: ward@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lynn Ward)
Subject: Re: PC EUDORA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:37:04 GMT

Tony Euser <euser@emr.ca> writes:

>A beta (or prerelease) version of Eudora for windows is available from
>qualcomm.com.  However, it requires FTP Software's TCP/IP stack version
>2.1

Also requires Windows version 3.1 and a 80386 processor or higher.

-- 
Lynn Ward
Network Design Office/Computing and Communications Services Office
1304 W. Springfield Ave., Urbana, IL 61801
e-mail: L-ward1@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rob Logie)
Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP stacks over 2 NDIS drivers. Possible?
Keywords: TCP/IP, NDIS, ODI
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:08:10 GMT

geiman@bimacs.BITNET (geiman mark) writes:

>Hi to all,
>Suppose I have two different network cards in my computer, with an appropriate
>NDIS driver for each.  Now, suppose I want to run two TCP/IP stacks of
>different vendors simultaneously, each being able to use both interfaces.
>Is it possible in DOS?  in OS/2?  in MS Windows?  in Windows NT?
>I've been told this is possible with ODI drivers for OS/2.

>Thanks for any info,

>Mark Geiman            email: geiman@bimacs.cs.biu.ac.il
>ECI Telecom            FAX  : 972-3-9266200
>Hashiloah 4            Phone: 972-3-9266164
>Petah-Tikva
>Israel

Depending on all the normal problems of getting drivers to co-exists under 
dos, it is possible to have two TCP-IP stacks talking to two seperate
ethernet cards in a PC.  However, each TCP-IP stack (With different IP 
addresses) can only ever talk to one ethernet controller .  This is because 
for a given local TCP-IP connection, the ethernet address associated 
with a given TCP-IP address must remain constant.  Also, it is possible 
to alternatively run different TCP-IP stacks with different address on 
the same card one at a time.  However this will cause problems with 
the ethernet <-> TCP-IP mapping of other hosts on the local network.  Their 
mapping tables may need to be flushed more oftern than usual.  Also, a 
machine reboot is oftern required between each stack being loaded.


It is far better with simpler PC type machines to only run one lan card 
and stack.  The only exception to this would be for large fileservers,
or for PC's acting as a router.


-- 
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Telecom Australia ACN 051 775 556 | no-way reflect the views or policies of the
TNE Computer Support Services     | Australian and Overseas Telecommunications
EMAIL: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au| Corporation. "These are my opinions alone"
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: ward@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lynn Ward)
Subject: Re: E-Mail clients
Keywords: DOS, e-mail, mac, windows
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:45:47 GMT

jbg@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Jeff Gehlhaar) writes:

>csfed@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Frank E. Doss) writes:

>>Has anyone heard of any other e-mail clients out there?  The solution does
>>not need to be pd.

>One possibility is Eudora, for both Macintosh and the PC under MS Windows.
>Both can be obtained from ftp.qualcomm.com.

>Jeff Gehlhaar
>PC Eudora Development Team
>QUALCOMM Incorporated
>jbg@qualcomm.com


The problem with PC Eudora is that it requires FTP Software's PC/TCP Kernel. I'd
recommend going with Eudora for the Mac and NUPop, a character-based POP
mail client for DOS machines.  NUPop has many of the same features as 
eudora and both suppport BinHexed enclosures.  NUPop is public
domain and can be ftp'd from casbah.acns.nwu.edu.


-- 
Lynn Ward
Network Design Office/Computing and Communications Services Office
1304 W. Springfield Ave., Urbana, IL 61801
e-mail: L-ward1@uiuc.edu
From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: Compressed slip packet driver?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:46:15
Organization: CWRU School of Medicine
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu

In article <1993Jan26.142944.5026@spcvxb.spc.edu> 4carroll_j@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

> Hi,
> 
>        Can anyone tell me where I might find a compressed slip packet driver?

On PC's the TCP/IP stack (or application with internal stack) has to support 
Compressed SLIP.  It will use CSLIP with the regular SLIP packet driver.  PC 
applications that support VJC header compression include CUTCP apps., and Ka9Q 
NET/NOS.

Ashok
----------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Ashok Aiyar 
                      Department of Biochemistry
                       CWRU School of Medicine
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gts@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU (Greg Small)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: ?? DOS PC connection to Apple print device ??
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:28:30 GMT
Reply-To: gts@uclink.berkeley.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In Message 26 Jan 93 14:45:24 Patrick S Hart <phart@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>>In article <2529@blue.cis.pitt.edu> daryl+@pitt.edu (Daryl P Sawders) writes:
>>When is a PC going to be as easy to net as a MAC ?-}
>Probally never - at least not free as the net stuff for the Mac is.  You can
>put the blame on Gates and fat-cat managers for this boon-doggle.

The Mac is a closed architecture controlled by an aggressive, monolithic
vendor (Apple).  This has advantages as did IBM's mainframe dominance.  The
advantage is consistency, the cost is price.  I think of the Macintosh as
the Volvo of workstations - costs more but everything is standard :-).

The PC is a open architecture.  A PC can be configured in hundreds of
different ways.  Neither IBM nor Microsoft controls the PC architecture.
This too has its advantages - flexibility and price competition.  The cost
is complexity.  I think of the PC as a pickup truck - you can order it just
about anyway you want :-).

Neither is best (or holier).  Both fit different markets best.

Greg Small                                           1-510-642-5979
Personal Computer Networking & Communications        gts@uclink.Berkeley.EDU
Workstation Software Support Group, IST/WSS          216 Evans Hall
University of California, Berkeley, Ca 94720         1-510-643-5385 (Fax)
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