HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: ...On The Genocide Of Azeris In Karabag By The Armenians...
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:44:27 GMT





Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova:

"Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some 
 of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting 
 at them when they sought to recover the bodies."
 Fred Hiatt
 The Washington Post, 3/3/92

Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre:

"A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead 
 and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest.  All are the bodies 
 of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 
 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing 
 uniform.  All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small
 children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children 
 cradled in the women's arms.  Several of them, including one small girl, had 
 terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they 
 saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."
 Anatol Lieven
 The Times (London), 3/3/92


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:7975 talk.politics.mideast:17094 soc.culture.greek:6746 soc.culture.europe:6581 soc.history:6628
From: markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: It Is True That The Goal Of Our Struggle Is To Annex Cyprus To Greece.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:05:53 GMT
Reply-To: markc@eomer.sw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen)
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Stratus Computer, Hardware Engineering

Can someone tell me how to create a kill file so that I
don't have to read all this Mutlu stuff?  I'm new
to this.  Thanks.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:7917 talk.politics.mideast:16980 talk.politics.soviet:6308 soc.culture.greek:6686 soc.culture.europe:6527 soc.history:6562
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Test
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:37:16 GMT
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway


I'm going to teach you a lesson 'Herpes Headed Incestuous Nick Sandrus'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Bosnians GO WEST !
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:16:52 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Bosnians GO WEST !
AT understands only this language, go west and get their tyranny diluted
from their hearts -> Paris, London, Stockholm, Berlin, Amsterdam...
GO WEST YOUNG MUSLIM !
GO WEST !

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:8013 talk.politics.mideast:17177 talk.politics.soviet:6360 soc.culture.greek:6779 soc.culture.europe:6613 soc.rights.human:2670
From: A11452@TRMETU.BITNET (Tuna Demirer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Fen Lisesi
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:18:50 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:08:30 TUR


     Merhaba,
  Fen Lisesi mezunlarinin koordinasyonunu saglamak ve mezunlar kutugunu
update edebilmek icin;

    *  Ankara Fen Lisesi mezunu olanlar,

Lutfen adresinizi ve telefonunuzu (ev ve is olarak),mesleginizi ve bitir-
diginiz okullari bana bildiriniz.
Bu cagri AFL'li bildiginiz kisiler icin de gecerlidir ve cesitli yollarla
kimi AFL'lilere de ulasmistir. Yanitlayanlara ve yanitlayacaklara
tesekkur ederim.
   Yardimci olmaniz dilegiyle.
                              Tuna Demirer (AFL 1987)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:7955 talk.politics.mideast:17062 soc.history:6611
From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history
Subject: Re: The Turkish Historical Society: A Self-Refuting Pack of Liars
Keywords: self-refutation
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:45:44 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:


>	Exposing the Self-Refuting Turkish Historical Society

Usual SDPA racism against Turkish.
Liar Turkish Historical Society
Liar Turkish Historians
Liar Stanford Shaw
Liar Mc Carthy
Liar tens of American historians,
Liar documents, Ottoman archives, 
Liar Senator Byrd
Liar The Sunday Times, The Independent and The Guardian journalists
Liar independent observers and eye accounts
Liar hundreds of coffins and dead bodies and photographes
Liar non-Turkish Muslims on Usenet
Liar Turkish Muslims in anywhere
Liar anything that may damage the poor/innocent image of Armenians
Liar ....

Does anyone still read this man's messages since he denied 
the killing of a thousand Azeri civilians in February - in true
Dashnag style.

Kutluk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: 'Greek Cypriot Terrorism Is Relentless,' Writes...
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:53:17 GMT






 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. 
 Date : 1 January, 1964. 

 IL GIARNO (Italy)
 
 THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.

 Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
 are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
 abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This 
 time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to 
 cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.

 Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
 Date: 14 January 1964

 DAILY HERALD (London)

 AN APPALLING SIGHT

And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.

In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.

Date: 1 January, 1964.

 DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)
 
 GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE

 Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
 Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
 crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
 brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three 
 more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
 not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to 
 locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim E. Guncer )
Subject: Re: Europeans Stunk
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.054139.9457@leland.Stanford.EDU>, sidirop@leland.Stanford.EDU (stefanos sidiropoulos) writes:
> 
> Kutluk Ozguven in <kutluk.712442725@ccl.umist.ac.uk> says:
> > 
> > I think the Greeks should not be angry at these words because if
> > I am not mistaken, food and expressions are not the only legacy of
> > Ottomans, and I hear that the "Turkish toilets", washing, and
> > other hygenic rules are partly still in effect in Greece.
> 
> THANKS, I always wondered what was the benefit we got from 400 years 
> of Turkish occupation and finally you opened my eyes. A friend of mine
> suggested raki but finally EUREKA :
> 
> 		   IT IS THE TURKISH TOILET !!!!
> 

Istanbul had a canalization system before the Turkish invasion so 
I think the "toilet" was introduced by the Greeks..

Selim

--
Selim E. Guncer               | Jaca negra, luna grande,
CSSER-ASU                     | y aceitunas en mi alforja.
(602)-965-4096                | Aunque sepa los caminos
guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu     | yo nunca llegare a Cordoba.. (FGL)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:7902 soc.culture.soviet:6208 soc.culture.greek:6658 soc.culture.bulgaria:998
From: filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: CBC reports on Turkey
Summary: CBC radio reports about Turkey these days at 18: 00
Keywords: Turkey
Date: 20 Jul 92 22:48:59 GMT
Followup-To: no.followups.please
Distribution: can
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

For those who are in Canada and may be interesting in the politics
of the Balkans, x-USSR and Near East...

CBC is having a series of reports about today's Turkey at the news
programme "The world at six", every day at 18:00 (18:30 in NF). The
programme is both at CBC Stereo (FM) and at CBC Radio (AM).

The first of these reports was broadcasted tonight, July 20th, on the
anniversary of Turks' invasion in Cyprus in 1974... Coincidence? :-(

Tune in...

Dimitrios
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: Greece Committed Systematic Genocide Against Jews And Muslims.
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:29:16

First of all, Dimitri, I think it is a waste of breath (or of
keystrokes) to respond to Mutlu.  But a few notes on your reply:

In article <1992Jul25.121436.26255@cs.hw.ac.uk> dimitri@cs.hw.ac.uk
(Dimitrios Theotokis) writes:

   >Most everyone who hasn't been fast asleep for the last ninety years has
   Syntax error. Unable to understand adjevctive with adjective. Should be mostly

Don't waste time on syntax errors; you make plenty yourself.  `Most
everyone' is correct idiomatic English (although perhaps unacceptable
to purists, it is accepted by most dictionaries, and was first
attested in 1584).  And the full form is `almost everyone', not
`mostly everyone' (which is not correct).

   I[f] that is what he is quoting in his Ph.D thesis then someone
   should strip he doctorate of him.!!  Invalid facts.

1) There is nothing wrong with quoting a variety of sources in a
   thesis, whether you consider them reliable or not.  It is up to the
   scholar of course to put them into context, and determine whether
   they can be taken at face value by comparing with other evidence.

2) ``Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.''  The
   expression is `strip him of his doctorate'.

3) Given Mutlu's record on quoting things out of context, I would not
   try to come to conclusions about either the thesis or the original
   quote without looking them up myself.

4) Just saying `invalid facts' is not a rebuttal to an argument.

Even if you are correct, this doesn't absolve you from making solid
arguments.

If you actually want to try to rebut Mutlu, I suggest you spend some
time at the library and get some good evidence yourself to show that
in fact what the quotes claim is false.

As for myself, I think it is better to ignore his individual postings,
although it is good from time to time to remind new readers of his
past misquotes and other practices which would tend to discredit him.
Anyone want to write a Mutlu FAQ?

	-s
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 15:49:47 TUR
From: omer bertan yaldiz <E55272@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Buraya Subscribe olmanin yolu var mi???

Merhaba,
SCT ye uye olmanin bir yolu var mi?
Thanks,


Omer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Who is the strongest ?
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:20:33 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Naim Suleymanoglu, Turk gibi guclu...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.indian
From: koray@pegasus.megasoft.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Osman gidiyo beee........
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:46:31 GMT



deneme deneme Osman aliyonmu?
alo alo alo.....

-K
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VELISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS)
Subject: Re: In Its Entire History Greece Has Never Been A Democracy - Except...
Summary: Mult, Mentality????
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:44:03 GMT

In article <9207271726.A6996bg@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>
>
>
><l78enaINNq6b@girtab.usc.edu>
>perkon@girtab.usc.edu (Perikles Konstantinides)
>
>>The Olympics, Democracy, Philosophy, Theater, Poetry, Medicine....
>>Born in Olympia, Athens, Athens, Athens, Mytilini....
>
>'PPPPs' and 'Gav*0s' just sit there. Even kicking doesn't always
>help. As for 'Greeks,' well, the scholars may have a point. Today 
>those 'PPPPs' boast about being the descendants of a great civilization, 
>and the cradle of democracy. Howevers there are serious doubts in 
>history for both claims.
>
>First of all, several historians and anthropologists have produced
>substantial evidence with respect to any connection between 
>present-day Greece and ancient Greece. The prominent German
>historian Jacop P. Fallmerayer published a treatise in 1830
>and made the assertion that during the Middle Ages slavik
>tribes poured into Greece and annihilated the entire Greek
>population. Truly, can anyone see any resemblance between 
>that beacon of ignorance, and the ancient Greeks who created 
>a civilization? As for democracy, in its entire history Greece 
>has never been a democracy - except for the last 17 years. 
>
>Another insightful article in the New York Times (Sunday, April 7) 
>exposes the dirty linen of Greece, and describes her as the pariah 
>of the European Community. The article reports that ''...with 
>un-European antics, Greece uses the Community as a cash register. 
>She squanders, and at times even steals the European tax payers' 
>money for political featherbedding at home. The principal members 
>of the Community admit that it was a mistake to accept Greece to 
>the European Community.'' This affirmation is testimony to the fact 
>that notwithstanding her geographic location, Greece is un-European
>in mentality and attitude. 
>
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
>
>


	Mutlu, I was just talking with a friend of mine on the phone
when I got your message concerning the democracy in Greece. I started
reading it outloud to her and her eply was:

	"THE BOY IS REALLY SCREWED UP"   !!! :))))

yiannis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Algeria: FIS Bayan #33  
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:36:55 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

>   
> The Salvation Islamic Front calls upon you to be present at your rendez-vous
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> with history by expressing your rejection of the trial of the FIS leaders  
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^  
O People of Algeria !  
Listen to this:  
  
                         ***  
God/History, Will  
  
The East-West TV exchange:  
  
In our efforts for peace we should be guided by an awareness of the  
fact that today history has willed our two nations to bear an  
enormous responsibility to the peoples of our two countries and,  
indeed, the peoples of all countries, for preserving life on earth.  
(guide/history/will/nation/people/country).  
  
                         ***  
New thinking can lead to old beliefs. Before his speech to the  
general assemply, M. Gorbachev met for an hour with UN Secretary  
G.J. Perez de Cuellar. When Perez de Cuellar thanked Gorbachev for  
the Soviets' recent support for UN peacekeeping efforts, Gorbachev  
replied, "God is on your side at the United Nations." After a short  
pause, he rephrased his sentiments in more orthodox Marxist  
fashion: "The objective trends of what is happening in history are  
on your side." (God/History) Time, Dec 19,1988.   
                         ***  
  
>                                  The Salvation Islamic Front  
>                                  for / the National Provisional Executive  
>                                  Bureau  
>                                  In charge of the National Information   
>                                  Commission  
>   
>                                  Signed: Abderezak Rejjam  
  
Now, O People of Algeria !  
ask yourselves before following any mellat !;   
  
Is this (SIF/NPEB) an ummat among you who guide with truth, establish justice,
invite to goodness and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency ?  
  
or, just an ummat calls you to take a "rendez-vous with history" like the   
ones who failed you before and kept you under pressure for years, did you  
forget their promises to keep you fighting ??:->  
  
Did your God ask you to fight to take a "rendez-vous with history" ?  
  
Use intellect (akl) O People of Algeria !  
  
Don't follow their mellat ! the mellat to take a "rendez-vous with history".  
Follow the Mellat of Abraham ! What an Ummat he was !  
  
Signed: Marco Pasha.  
          
>   
>   
>   
>
From: slbxk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish Friendship Club
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:45:57 MDT
Organization: Utah State University



                   FRIENDSHIP CLUB

                   From the Editor
           -------------------------------


Dear friends,

     We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
yet.

     Good luck to all of you, dear friends!



                                       Editor


     P.S.

     For APPLICATION FORM please write to:

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     Or send inquiring to E-mail address at the top line of this news.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: diviney@milton.u.washington.edu (Pat Diviney)
Subject: Re: Turkish Historical Society's Newest Maneuver
Summary: What would you have us do?  
Keywords: Re: There Is No Need To Smile When You Cry, 'Sternlight.'
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.040329.8843@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>	But one thing I do not appreciate is the silent majority in this
>newsgroup. This silent audience watching the degradation of this newsgroup
>into a sewage, tolerating this pathetic "historical" dialogue.

As I have mentioned before, arguing with Mr. Mutlu is pointless.  If I
were to present a rebuttal to his arguments they would be addressed to
the readers of the net excepting Mutlu.  I would not even bother mentioning
him.  However, until I subscribed to usenet and started reading this
newsgroup I only knew about the Turkish massacres of the Armenians through
very brief mentions in some of the books I have read.  They didn't even
cover it in any of the world history classes that I took (to my recollection).

I truly believe that someone (preferably a non Turkish/Armenian scholar or
group of scholars) should research this topic and present their findings.
This would be a great service to historical study.  Unfortunately that
person would not be me.  That segment of history does not interest me
in the least nor is it likely to in the future.  The only interest I have
in that segment would be to see the truth presented in order to defeat
those who would falsely rewrite history for propaganda purposes. 

If there are a lot of people who keep silent perhaps it is for that
reason.
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Russian Sources On The Extermination Of 2.5 Million Muslims.
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:03:17 GMT





<703404688@locust.cs.duke.edu>
wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

>Mutlu Honey,
>   This is 'Gav*' speaking... 


Source: Veysel Eroglu, "Ermeni Mezalimi," Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 
        1978.

pp. 191-194.

"Turk kitalarinin Erzurum'u seri bir sekilde kurtarmalari, geri kalan
 musluman ahalinin katliamini engelliyor. Erzurum'da Rus Kale Topcu
 Ikinci Alayi Kumandani, Yarbay Twerde Khlebok kendi elyazisiyla
 yazdigi hatiratinda Ermenilerin isledikleri katliami tamamen teyid
 etmektedir.

 Rus ihtilali basindan itibaren Osmanli kitalarinin Erzurum'u kurtardiklari
 12 Mart tarihine kadar Ermenilerin Erzurum sehri ve havalisindeki Turk
 ahalisine karsi tavir ve hareketlerine dair yazilan bu hatirat [37]
 Onbirinci Rus Erzurum Kale Topcu Alayinin tarihcesine ilave olarak 
 yazilmis ise de basli basina bir vesika mahiyetini haizdir. Iste bu
 hatirattan alinan kisimlari dikkatlerinize sunuyoruz: [more horror
 stories about the Armenian genocide of the Muslims - hbm]"

[37] Bu vesikanin asli, Harp Tarihi Dosyasi Arsivi - Dolap: 123, Goz: 10,
     Dosya: 2-5'dedir.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)