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Subject: you people are pathetic????
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1992 11:52:24

Caina,  I know we're all reading these on different boards.... you say some very positive things about living history groups and the Society -- thank you from all of us!  A question, tho--- you were responding to a comment that you had not identified by name of the commenter.   I was unable to figure out who you were refering to in your message, since the only term you used for him/her/them? was 'schmuck'.  While it's probably for the best that this person or persons remain unidentifiable, I do admit to ha


ving my curiosity piqued... (oh no -- a piqued Persion -- the worst kind! (Grin))...
so give, good gentle -- who were they and what heinous thing did they say???

--the ever curious and still alive Vashti

"Don't open that box Pandora, you don't know where it's been."

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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: teach and tantalize
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:13:59 GMT
Organization: The Internet


hzhao@eagle.wesleyan.edu (how did _that_ name ever get registered....
;-) writes:

>
>         I don't recall anyone saying this. I do recall the attitude of "teach
>and don't tantalize".

What's wrong with doing both?  The best teachers are those who spark
their students to creative activity as well.

>    'sides, you can always find out what things like a Hermitian Operator are
>later.  :-)

T'ain't period, thank whatever deities one worships....although
complex numbers are.

Tio d'abaco
From: coody@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Address
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:19:54 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

Milady Beatriz, forgive me for I have misplaced thy address, please
respond.

Juan de los Caballos
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,alt.pagan
From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Putting a stop to winter
Followup-To: rec.folk-dancing
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: ny
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:51:02 EDT

Syracuse has had a record snowfall for the season. We nearly set
another record a couple nights with a low temperature in the low 20's.
Winter has refused to budge. We'll give it a couple more weeks, and
then WE'RE PUTTING A STOP TO IT.

Join Thornden Morris, the Bassett Street Hounds, Ribbonsteel Rapper,
and Birch Leaf Morris for the Twelfth Annual Syracuse May Day
Celebration. With morris dancing, sword dancing, a mumming play,
songs, and a maypole for the kids, we will celebrate the coming of
warm weather -- OR FREEZE TO DEATH TRYING!

As always: it's May 1 (Friday this year), near the water tower at the
top of the hill in Thornden Park in Syracuse, at dawn -- the
festivities begin at 6:00 am sharp and last a little over an hour.
Coffee and hot chocolate provided!

Let us know if you need a wake-up call...


--
 - Rich Holmes                            rich@suhep.bitnet or
   Syracuse U. Physics Dept.              rich@suhep.phy.syr.edu

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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Training fighters
Organization:  University of Toronto 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:26:16 GMT

The subject of men-at-arms to unbelted fighters was introduced.

As far as I know, I introduced the practice of men-at-arms to the Middle, having
gotten the idea from some of Raimund of the Strait's squires in the East.  I 
would be very interested in hearing about the origins of the practice in the 
East and its progress elsewhere.

My own men-at-arms were occasionally fighters, but were more usually sidekicks
who would benefit from the prestige of a big household, the education in SCA law
custom and history, and meeting interesting people and getting invited to all
the good parties.  I've always believed in leaving fighter education to those
who do it really well.

I have heard of the unfortunate practice of giving colour-coded belts to men-at-
arms, and while I gave my men gifts of belts and sashes, they were not meant to
contribute to rainbow-belt syndrome.
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From: JEWHITTINGTO@apollo.davidson.EDU
Subject: face thrusting in atlantia
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:50:00 GMT

greetings, good gentles... i brought the recent question on face thrusting 
in atlantia to the attention of our master of arms, and enclose the 
pertinent parts of his reply herein:

>Face thrusts are indeed still legal here in Atlantia, although we will soon be
>going to the closed helm rules of face blows.   A face thrust is not the most 
> 
>Chivalric way to kill an opponent, but it is affective and period.   
>I have never heard anyone use the unperiod arguement against face thrusts, but
>speaking from a medical point of view, they are extremely dangerous.   A well 
>placed face thrust can (and has) sent people to the hospital.
> 
>The current rules here in Atlantia are 1) your weapon must be equipped with a
>thrusting tip (No duhh, huh); the thrusting tip is a pad about 2.5-3 inches in 
>length(many people use trailer ball hitch covers)  2) the thrust must land on
>the ocularium (the square that runs from eyebrow to eyebroand down the cheek
>bones  3) The thrust must be carefully controlled in its velocity and power.
> 
>This third rule has been the focus of much debate and really depends on the 
>fighters and the marshalls involved.   At wars where the face thrust is legal
>(Sea Wars, ect.) often the fighters become a bit overzelous with their face
>punches.
> 
> 
> 
>                        Lord John von der Velde
>                        Baronial Guardsman, Barony of the Sacred Stone
>                        Atlantia

hopefully this will suffice as answer... if not, e-mail me and i'll get 
more information... :)

                                   in service, 

						melys of castell daibhidh
						barony of the sacred stone
					
email to: jewhittingto@apollo.davidson.edu
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:  name loophole
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:44:13 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr08.192652.30565@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>Nesta asked:

>> Is there no overriding restriction or could we have: "Moonunit of the
>> West" 

>Your example would be returned would be returned as excessively
>obtrusive. 

Of course. The name should obviously be "Moonunit of Caid." :-)


Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West
--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: BLISSA@UNC.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: War Calender
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:37:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I need to know when Mists-Cynauga & Raid on 1000
Eyes are.
I need to know "who" for the following:
Roses
S & M War
Boredom
I don't understand "Lillies" being a civil war,
please explain....
I think probably I'll have to define the Calender
as Principality, or Kingdom level wars, not just
inter-Baronial Wars.  Altho, I suppose that if there
are routinely 75+ fighters on each side (yes, I know
the 1st Pennsic may not have had that many), then it
may be big enough to put on the list.  Still looking
for Wars....
Julitta
From: sharons@juliet.ll.mit.EDU (Sharon Stanfill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:  Marion Zimmer Bradley
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:53:20 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Sister Kate says:

>  At a lecture at what used to be Southwestern University in 1987, Marion
>  Zimmer Bradley (admittedly no longer a friend of the SCA) said that she

huh? what's the story here? Did MZB do something to annoy the SCA at large
or what? I've heard lots of rumours about various things she has done/said
that I don't particularly like, but nothing directly concerning the SCA.

Nesta ferch Meriadoc Hartley
Carolingia
sharons@juliet.ll.mit.edu
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:32:30 GMT
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Travel times
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:33:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep (who is
momentarily cought up on his mail -- could you tell?  Don't worry,
it won't last long...), greetings!

    (stuff deleted...)
>   I would hazard a guess that people's concept of "a long drive" is more
>related to population rather than Kingdom size/area.  ie. the more populated
>the area, the less time people are willing to drive to go to events
> frequently,
>regaurdless of how big (land area) their Kingdom is. opinions?
>
>
>  Driving the Dream,  :-)
>  Kaela Orion, DWS

   Maybe we could just say that people usually don't mind driving
as far as necessary to have fun...  :-)

>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>   |                       Visulize Whirled Peas                           |
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   This line cought me as I was paging down.  I did.  OUCH!!!  :-)

Yours in service --

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:59:28 GMT
Subject: Re: determinate marshalling
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

"Michael Squires" <mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

> 
> A good MidRealm marshall (in my personal opinion) is one who carefully
> monitors a bout, melee, or battle and who intervenes under the following
> conditions:
> 
> First, a marshall should intevene instantly when the safety of the
[...] 
> Second, if the rules of the list are being violated then the marshall 
[...]
> Third, if the marshall is certain (and that's a difficult judgement call)
[...]
> Fourth, if a marshall sees such a pattern, and sees that the fighter who
[...]
> If the calibration problems persist, and the fighters can't agree on what
> constitutes a good/bad blow, then the marshalls present should discuss the
[...]
> spectators do not instantly jump to the conclusion that Fighter A is
> a rhino because of the marshall's intervention.

  Seems like a decent way to look at marshalling to me.
 
> In melees and wars the marshall can see very little.  In the excitement a
[...]
> The problem with marshalling a War is that the people who are the best
> marshalls are frequently the best commanders and sometimes the best fighters.
> This frequently results in the battles being marshalled by relatively
> inexperienced marshalls.

  Wars and large melees are a pain.  That is why I would like to see more 
non-fighting marshalls trained.  It would allow more of those who fight to 
fight in them...
 
> On a completely different topic:  was there really no weapons/armor
> inspection at Estrella this year?  That's the rumor that has been spreading
> around this part of the MidRealm since that War.

  Every kingdom was required to do their own armor inspections.  Within some
kingdoms this was further split to allow groups with marshalls to do their
own as well.  Polearms for everyone were centrally inspected before the war
started.

>Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)

Kevin
From: Alex_Hart@mindlink.bc.ca (Alex Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Calender of Wars
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:09:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11393
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Bitter Waters (Seagirt-Lions Gate) April
West/An Tir July
Clinton (Montnegarde-Lions Gate) August
Alpine Pass(Defunct Vulcanveld- Blath An Oir) September - to be replaced by a
Lions Gate - Blath An Oir war at the same time.
Hope this helps
Alastair the Eastern Traveller
Lions Gate,An Tir
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Aethelstan Needs Your Help!
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 01:36:44 -0500

* Original Area: DCMAGICK
* Original From: Elspeth Kovar (1:109/120)
* Original To  : Dave Aronson (1:109/120)

Um, I wouldn't, personnaly, use the word "recovered".  Could people please try
to spread facts, not rumors?
Curt Harpold, an old friend, has been visiting regularly, and his answering
machine at (202) 547-8272 usually has the Aethalstan "update" on it.  I spoke w/
Curt last night, Monday, and the current bits are this.
Aethalstan is awake, finally, and his personality and much of his long-term
memory appears to be intact.  Curt had a long conversation with him on Sunday,
and could understand about half of it.  He has been singing some with his group,
which has been rehersing in his room since the accident and, with songs he's
been doing for years, he remembers words, melody, and harmony.  Let's see, what
else.  He's been moved across the street, and is at the ... I don't have the
name here, but I think it's the National Rehabilitation Hospital.  Visiting
hours are from 2 to 8 P.M., but *please* call first, as he may be in therapy (up
to five hours a day) or not in the mood for visitors.  He does seem more
comfortable with people he's known a long time.  He has managed *new*, as
opposed to old, thoughts, but it's very difficult for him - twenty minutes
before he could convey the fact that he wanted to go to the Chowder concert. 
And he has said that part of the time he's glad to be back, but part of the
time... well, it's pretty rough.
Yes, he's doing very well, all things considered, and we're all thinking
positive thoughts, but let's also try to stick to the facts, please?  It's
rather upsetting to keep coming across "Everythings fine!" messages when, with a
lot of work, everything might be, but isn't yet.  Aethalstan has a tough fight:
let's try to help him out by facing it, as he is.
And go to the concert!
End of lecture, I'll go away now.
From: Richard.Boyko@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Boyko)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: old decrepit dukes (you'
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:10:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/43 - U of S Computing Se, Saskatoon Sask


 On 04-07-92 "Rather B. Fishing" wrote... 
 
[stuff deleted] 
 
 "B> And the thought immediately crossed my mind (especially since practice was 
 "B> yesterday): 
 "B>         "Hmmm, he should drop by Beaconsgate practice for the pleasure 
 "B>          of Papa Houghton pounding _him_ into the ground..." 
 
Greetings unto the Rialto, and especially unto Twcs, from Layamon le 
Vavasour of Cambridge. 
    I don't think I would make a good fighter. Thanks to a severely 
detatched retina that required two eye operations to put back on, and 
may yet require a third, I don't think very many marshalls would let me on 
the field, even if I _was_ authorized to fight! I am a pursuivant, not a 
fighter. Besides, I have an allergy to pain :-) 
    Second, if Duke Papa fights with the kind of armour that Carolus 
Mediocris and Omar ar Rashid spoke of, and has done so for several years, 
then I will take back my statement. 
 
 "B> Twcs (still sore) 
 
AAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!! POOOOOOOORR twcs! 
Layamon, running fiercely for cover. 
 
 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.32 * Children are wonderful; if they are properly cooked 

--  
Richard Boyko - via FidoNet node 1:140/22
UUCP: ...!access.usask.ca!weyr!43!Richard.Boyko
Domain: Richard.Boyko@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org
Standard Disclaimers Apply...
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: E-mail to me
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 19:51:08

Craig, Hrothgar, John, et al,
for some reason the 'reply' feature is coming up with 'unlisted address' on my e-mail and aborting the message.  SO-- it isn't that I am ignoring all of your posts, I just can't answer back privately.  Sorry.

Haven't had the chance yet to get on the board long enough to wade through the 300 plus message backlog I have, so please bear with me, the ones I'm responding to are about a week old at this point - original may have scrolled off by the time you see my replies to it.  

anyway, life is BUSY and I'll have more time to comment in a few days.... too many local Society activities to spend time on the computer!

-Vashti

As soon as I solve the e-mail problem (my husband's the Herald's Point sysop, so it won't take long...) you'll be getting answers!  Promise! - V


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From: bryant@husc8.harvard.edu (Katherine 'Kabeta' Bryant)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Llewelyn
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:38:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Greetings to the Rialto from Gwenllian the Unpronounceable!

There has been some debate over the spelling and pronunciation of the name
"Llewelyn."  I believe Lord Arval is correct; the spelling is as I just wrote
it, and the pronunciation may be represented (oh, for a phonetic alphabet!)
as "thleh-WEL-in" or something approximating that.  I have occasionally seen
it spelled "Llewellyn," in which case presumably it would be "thle-WETHL-in,"
more or less.

Written to the Rialto on this Good Friday.

--- Gwenllian ferch Madog Llangollen                       *
    Borough Duncharloch, Carolingia                  * gobeithio *
    Katherine Bryant, bryant@husc.harvard.edu              *
                                               
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:04:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Magick
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Gerald_Del_Campo@sorinc.UUCP (Gerald Del Campo) writes:

> It seems that much magick is mixed in with the Midieval period.  Has anyone
> ever adopted the persona of a magician in the SCA?
> 
> The Queens of England have had personal astrologers, magicians, diviners,
> etc.., and it is for this reason that I inquire.

  I'm kind of curious about this too.  Every once in a while someone comes 
along from a Wicca group and wants to be a druid or wizard in the SCA.  I 
usually tell them what I know about such stuff, which amounts to little.  
Namely, most of the magic that I have read about (even tales from period) 
seems to come from really early pre-christian times and 18-19th century times.
The early stuff mostly in the form of fairy tales, the latter from the neo-
celtic revival from the 18th century on.  Nothing else.  No documented witches
or wizards or druids, just accusations of same and tales of long dead ones.
I have taken the stance that this is because magic and witchcraft (except for
perhaps herblore) are in the realm of dragons and pixies - pure fantasy - 
and always have been.

> Gerald

Kevin
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic Cooking, Persona
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:39:24 -0500

Cariadoc (ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)) writes:

 C> Instead of using a cooler, we bring lots of period nibbles that do
 C> not need refrigeration ([...], hais, [...], hulwa, khushkananaj,
 C> [...], prince biscuit, etc.).

What are these?
From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Forms of address for SCA titles
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:42:56 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Mar24.164201.7889@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>,
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes:

|>>|>Any later appointees are referred to as the Baron/Baroness of <Group>.

|>I have, though it's been a few years:  Gerhard & Amanda Kendall of 
|>Westmoreland, Baron & Baroness Lionsgate. 

I was imprecise - it's the latter form that's rare around here.  Of
course, of the three baronies in the Principality of Ealdormere, only
one doesn't have it's founding baroness.  To those who believe in this
odd distinction, BTW, consider this case:

my wife, Enid Aurelia OL OP, is Baroness (founding) Skraeling Althing
and has been for over ten years,
I've been territorial Baron for only two years, but am the first Baron.

Should I be Henry, Barony Skraeling Althing, or Henry, Baron of
Skraeling Althing?

                   
  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
!erutangis ruoy otni suriv erutangis siht ypoc ot nevird ylsuoicsnocbus era uoY
From: ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Period guitar music
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:43:07 GMT
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Most worshipful company of readers, I recommend me to you.

A little background.  As a child I danced flamenco in a semi-
professional troop. (We got paid, but didn't earn a living at
it.)  I've attended some seminars and done very little study
on my own.

THE DANCE
Flamenco has changed greatly over the past 100 years not to
mention the past 500. I've been told two different origins of
flamenco.  The first origin is that it is one of many different 
forms of folk dance that developed in the early hundreds before
the break in the Church.  A few historians write of the strange
gyrations and arm movements of the dances.  They also speak of
castinets.  The Church condemned this style of dance.  But it
doesn't meant that it was stopped.

The second origin is that when the gypsies entered Spain(1542 I
think) they brought with them their own dances which merged with 
Spanish folk dance created Flamenco.

In the 19th century there was a large shift in the way flamenco
was danced.  Firstly, men did foot work and women did arm work.
In the 1800's, to add more flair to the dance, men and women 
started to learn both foot work and arm work. The man's style
developed with a much stronger, more rigid type of arm work.
Foot work is essentially the same from what I've learned.  Also,
pure flamenco, I'm told, did not use castinets. But that also
changed in the 1800s to add more flair and life to the dance.

Presently, there is a revival of 'pure' flamenco.  However, 
people who are dancing in a 20th century style are still called
flamenco dancers.

THE MUSIC
I know much less about the music than the dance. The gypsies have
an oral tradition. And until recently, that tradition extended to
music as well. There are many books available on spanish gypsy 
songs/poems.  But I've not yet looked at one that contains the music.
There is a book in print on 15th spanish lute music. I don't have the
title here at work.  I have to coerce my companion Lady Elsbeth Anne
Roth to post the title or I'll find it in her things at home.  She
plays the guitar while I do not.

I hope this missive is useful and finds you well.  Written the
Wednesday of Holy Week from my home in the Debatable Lands.

Su segura servidora,
                Esmeralda
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: withholding knowledge
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:05:38

 LS> Just because you didn't hear it in class, doesn't mean you are to be
 LS> deprived of the knowledge for the rest of your natural life.

 And I guess just because you didn't read it in a message doesn't mean you
 can't blow up about it just as if you had...

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