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From: nab4574@zeus.tamu.edu (Neil Burleson)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.173313.27523@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes...
>In article <1992Jul27.011732.16988@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
> 
>This is tabloid Christianity, and it's part of Mike Warnke's appeal.  
>People don't flock to see Christian accountants.  But reformed, 
>neatly manicured ex-Satanists - ah, that's another story.  Please
>understand that if I'm pointing fingers here, I'm pointing them at
>myself as well.  It just saddens me that there's something about
>the Christian culture and, alas, something about myself that 
>finds the freak show appealing.  If I deplore what Mike Warnke
>allegedly did, and I do, then I had better reserve a little time
>to deplore the side of me that seeks out the sensational and the
>bizarre, and that creates a ready audience for those who want to
>concoct sensational, bizarre lies.

I agree. I think that the reason we flock to this is because we
fail to see that inside of each of us, God has done an equal miracle
in each one of our own lives. We fail to see that we are all equally
sinners before God.

Another thing that upsets me (but which I am as guilty of if not more so
than others) is putting athletes, personalities, (hey, even
singers), etc, who claim Christ up on a pedastal. Just because someone
can catch a ball for a touchdown doesn't make him any more of a 
Christian. 

Putting any Christian on a pedastal is a dangerous thing especially
in the light of the late scandals.

+------------------------+------------------------+-------------------+
| Neil Burleson   Texas A&M Univerity,  College Station, Texas  USA   |
+------------------------|     neilb@tamu.edu     |  nab4574@tamzeus  |
                         +------------------------+-------------------+
"Taste and see that the LORD is good;
       blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him."  -- Psalm 34:8
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Christian Ripoffs
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:15:40 GMT

In article <11439106.5.711337369@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 11439106@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (SHAWN FOO) writes:
>
>	If any of you care to read Psalms (yeah, the book in the bible), 
>depending on the translation you've got, you'll probably find at the top of 
>some of them things like "to be sung to the tune of..." followed by some 
>Hebrew name. King David, (yeah the Guy who wrote all this stuff) purposely 
>wrote these `songs' to the tunes of popular music of the day. This was so 
>that the people could identify with and easily pick up these songs...
>	Now you can't seriously tell me that David, the one whom the Lord 
>was extremely pleased with, was a ripoff merchant???????

If one expects a song to be taken seriously *as an artistic
expression*, it must be somewhat original.  If one uses it for nothing
more than a chordal foundation for the melody, then it will work, but I
probably won't be interested in listening to it.  I would rather listen
to the original, which undoubtedly required more creativity to produce
than the copy.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
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From: jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:00:22 GMT

In <1992Jul30.023424.19932@aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.173313.27523@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.011732.16988@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>> 

>>[stuff about learning about accountability in Christianity deleted for space
>>reasons]

>>Perhaps one lesson we can learn from this is to search our hearts to 
>>understand why we, as Christians, often pay particular attention to
>>other Christians who have experienced dramatic conversions.  I don't know 
>>why this is.  But I know that I do it too.  I deplore tabloid sensationalism.  
>>I don't care whether Elvis' Martian love twins actually exist or not.  But 
>>I'm the first to prick up my ears when a brother or sister comes along and 
>>tells me, "I used to be an axe-wielding, drug-addicted, sex-crazed psychopath 
>>who killed my mama but then I found Jesus and, praise God, now I'm a normal 
>>accountant."  
>Yeah, I agree. I often feel very uncomfortable telling people that I
>became a Christian at age 3 and stayed a Christian. I feel like I have
>to explain that I really did understand what I was doing and that, yes,
>it was real, and, yes, it stuck for 26 years (so far). I feel apologetic
>for not having had a period of rebellion or major backsliding, never 
>been drunk or anything like that. I feel like some kind of goodie
>two-shoes ;-) because I think we look at dramatic experiences as somehow
>validating Christianity. Somehow it's not really valid if you had a long
>term, non-dramatic, day to day walk with Christ. You are more valid
>as a Christian if you had to fight uphill through all kinds of hell to
>find the Lord. It's as if Christianity wasn't enough on its own, we have
>to add all this conflict and drama to make it REALLY VALID. Not to put
>down the affect an ex-druggie can have witnessing to a current druggie,
>an affect that I may not be able to have, not having been in his/her
>shoes. But I do agree about this "National Enquirer" Christianity that's
>so easy to fall for.

Food for thought here:  Maybe Satan wants us to turn our attention to 
tabloid-style sinning so we won't pay attention to what's really going on
in our world.

-- 
Anthony Glen Jeffries N0NRO               |------------------------|
N0NRO@N0AN.IA.USA.NA  (packet--ham radio) |-Iowa State University--|
jeffries@iastate.edu                      |-------Ames, Iowa-------|
tabl4@isuvax.iastate.edu                  |------------------------| 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Anyone know about the Grateful Dead? (no flames, please)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:56:41 GMT

I have gotten a few comments from friends at church about the Grateful
Dead sticker on my car conflicting with the fish sticker. The GD
sticker was there before I got saved, but I still like their music,
and haven't really felt convicted to scrape it off.  Plus, its a neat
piece of artwork (long, skinny, flowery letters of the band's name).

My friends don't really criticize, more of a concerned curiosity. I
guess some people have an idea that the Grateful Dead are a bad
influence.

Does anyone know why the Grateful Dead has a kind of tarnished
reputation, or what is behind their name, or why they use skeletons as
a logo?  I haven't really analyzed their lyrics. Neither had the
people who commented on my sticker, they are mainly curious about
their name.  I've never really noticed a connection of the symbolism
to their lyrics.  They seem pretty harmless to me.  Am I being totally
naive? Does anybody know more about them?

(BTW, I haven't been reading the secular vs. christian music thread...
if there is one... I'm asking specifically about the Grateful Dead, I
really want to know! No flames, please :-)

_______________________________________________________________________
Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:31:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <64603@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>
>I wonder if Quayle was quoting from personalE experience?  ;-)
>
>> "What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
>> wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund

I stand corrected from another, probably more reliable, source.  My new
and improved signature follows.

 
-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind.  Or not to have a mind.  How true  
that is." -- J. Danforth Quayle at United Negro College Fund luncheon
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: andreas@atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de (Andreas Haug)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:36:44 GMT

cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (Craig Vacura) writes:

> Remember, Amy isn't disclaiming her earlier work or stance.
> If more people are exposed to, and enjoy, her current music 
> more people will be drawn to listen to her earlier work.  
> People often buy prior music of artists they have just 'discovered'.  

This is exactly, how I discovered her music. Amy was -- to my knowledge --
unknown in Germany (maybe in Europe, too) until her latest album "Baby,
Baby" which had (at least) _some_ impact. 

BTW: Is there really nothing on the network which is related with her works?
(no mailing-list, no newsgroup?) As I am (now) am major fan of her music
(1980-1991) I would appreciate anything. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Best regards,

Andreas.
 
--
------------------------------ahaug@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
"It's not too late to start again; days go by and seasons change;
 nothing stays the same; life's an endless game; between strangers."
From: smothers@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mike Warnke (Call for Papers)
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:19:16 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

In order to download the file, go into the file section, then into the second
sub-section entited "Call for Papers". when I downloaded it, it was the last
file on the list and was called "Warnke.zip"
Any questions, give me a e-mail at:

smothers @nauvax.nau.ucc.edu

-----
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Northern Arizona University
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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:54:18 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

OO-oo, he used the "B" word!  =B^]

I've was raised Roman Catholic, then became "Non-Denom" (is that a
denomination?) and attended an Assembly of God church.  I now attend a
The Church of the Nazarene.  My kids go to Brookdale Christian School
which is affiliated with Brookdale BAPTIST Church.  So does that make me
guilty by association?  =B^]

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:20:31 GMT

In article <29JUL92.10329699.0031@lafibm.lafayette.edu> HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Brother to Many (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>Conservative Christianity (folks...this is a GRAVE generalization) is
>that which is (hopefully) based on very old (and therefore hopefully
>scripturally accurate) traditions, whereas liberal theology attempts
>to take the attitudes of modern culture and overlay them on Christian
>thought.  Unfortunately, the two do not often mix well.

It should be noted that the "conservative" theology of today was once radically
liberal and did not "mix well" with the "modern culture" of the time. So, 
conservative comments on liberal christianity is, in essence, the pot calling
the kettle black (as the saying goes).

Topher (liberated, not liberal, and raised a baptist but now I'm not)
-- 
 Christopher A. White                    |
 caw@gtech.com                           | "Whom doth this grail serve?"
 GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | 
 The opions expressed are mine alone     |
From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:03:11 GMT
Organization: Rice University

>P.S if anyone cares to throw flames in my direction, I will throw the Sword
>of the Holy Spirit straight through your heart. Think about it!

This makes me think : Time for a humor break!

Christian phrase                           Real World Translation
----------------                           ----------------------
"sword of the Holy Spirit" above           a flame
fellowship (We're fellowshipping)          hanging with the homies
sharing (Share X with us)                  shooting the BS 
a blessing (That concert was a blessing)   way cool
"I will pray for you"                      "Boy you're a heretic"

I'm sure there are many more - get your submissions in soon
for the "most ridiculous Christianized phrase" contest!
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Reading the Warnke article
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:48:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Would someone be willing to email me and tell me how I can access 
this article?  I'm pretty much a computer idiot and new to the net,
and I have no idea what FTPs and ZIPs are, nor how to decode the
article that someone kindly posted here.  I'd really like to read
it.  Thanks.


-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: And I thought this was a MUSIC news group!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:43:15 GMT

In article <Bs9MEC.Ju8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson) writes:
>	Why is there so many articles about non-MUSIC Christian stuff or
>Non-Christian Music stuff????????
>
>	Is Kings-X a "christian" group?

Yes, according to some (many?) people's definition.

>	Does Mike Warnke sing?
 
I imagine so.

>	Does being a Baptist have some musical connatations with it?

Yes, all of them bad.  (Just kidding, Baptists.)

>	Is everyone posting here because S.R.C is too tightly moderated?

No, not everybody.

>
>	Some of this is meant to be sarcastic, but then again some isn't.
>

Then again...

John


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries)
Subject: Re: Warnke zip file
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:07:38 GMT

In <1992Jul28.152339.6755@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:


>Has anyone been able to unzip the Warnke file at wustl?
>I have downloaded it twice and get an error message
>("expected central file header signature not found")
>when I try to unzip it.

That's because the file is a compressed tar archive, not a zip file.

FTP the file from wuarchive.

On UNIX systems:
1)  type "uncompress warnke.<whatever it is by now--I renamed it warnke.tar.Z 
in /pub>"

2)  then type "tar xpf warnke.<whatever you got from the previous step (should
be "tar">

You will get a directory called "today" which contains the files you want.

THIS IS ON UNIX SYSTEMS.  I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHERS, EXCEPT MACINTOSH.
E-mail me if you need help extracting the files on a Mac.


>Thanks,
>John
-- 
Anthony Glen Jeffries N0NRO               |------------------------|
N0NRO@N0AN.IA.USA.NA  (packet--ham radio) |-Iowa State University--|
jeffries@iastate.edu                      |-------Ames, Iowa-------|
tabl4@isuvax.iastate.edu                  |------------------------| 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Mark Heard clinically brain dead in CA hospital
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:48:28 GMT

I've known this for almost a week, and I don't know what the current
status is, but I wanted to confirm this with some people more directly
involved before I posted.

Mark Heard had a heart attack at the end of his live set at the
Cornerstone festival.  The audience was applauding for an encore and 
Pierce Pettis came out to ask for people with medical training.  At the
time it was thought to be an extreme asthma attack or something.  He was
rushed to a hospital in Illinois where he recovered from the heart
attack and was flown back home to California.

In California he had a SECOND heart attack, and blood failed to reach
his brain and he's clinically brain dead and on life support systems.

I don't know how many of you have ever heard Mark's music, but there are
few people in Christian music who come close IMO to his lyrical
sensitivity and eloquence and musical artistry.  The man has REALLY
touched me in his art, and in many ways has been an inspiration as I
continue to try to figure out just what it is to be an artist, a
Christian, and a human being.  I feel a tremendous loss and can't
imagine what his family and friends are going through.

It's kind of ironic.  His three most recent albums (Dry Bones Dance,
Second Hand, and Satellite Sky) are easily the finest of his career, he
just worked out a deal with Frontline to get broader Christian
distribution for his custom "Fingerprint" label, and he just got secular
distribution through True North (Bruce Cockburn fame) with a bigger deal
pending with Columbia/Sony.  He performed (to my knowledge) his first
concert in two years east of the California border at C-stone, and at a
peak in his career, snap, God had something else in mind.

If you remember, I'm sure he and his family can use all the prayer they
can get.

-Michael David Toth
tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu

"A miracle, life is a miracle
 Formed from the chaos and loved like a blameless child
 A miracle, life is a miracle
 We breathe every breath by the grace of God."
	-Mark Heard & Tonio K., 1985


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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Third Heaven?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:03:11 GMT

In article <92204.194441NXG101@psuvm.psu.edu> <NXG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>...I wish the Bible had more to say about what
>happens between our death and judgement day.  From what I understand, believers
>will lay in the grave, but in total blissful peace, until judgement day.  I can
>live with that.

Ever notice that, when somebody is about to start a theological thread
in this newsgroup, they always begin by saying, "Not to start a
theological thread, but..."?  I'll follow Nike's advice, and "just do it."

In Revelation 6:9, John writes:

"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of
those who had been slain because of the word of God and ten testimony
they had maintained.  They called out in a loud voice, "How long,
sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the
earth and avenge our blood?" (NIV)

As this occurs before Satan's doom in the chronology of John's vision,
I would suggest that those who die before the judgment may play a more
active role than just waiting.  This is just my own speculation, of
course...
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: Alastair.T.Clarke@cm.cf.ac.uk (Alastair Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Keith Green
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:01:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff

The name of Keith Green has come up several times recently.  From memory it
is ten years ago today (28th July) that he died in a private plane crash.

What a loss to christian music.......

Alastair
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke Controversy in Cornerstone magasine
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:58:22 GMT

In article <22JUL199210174323@summa.tamu.edu> nab4574@summa.tamu.edu (The Lord Reigns) writes:
>In article <22JUL92.08483739.0013@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes...
>>In article <1992Jul20.142448.10094@cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Douglas C. Pearson) writes:
>>I can't vouch for the rumours about multiple wives, though I've never
>>heard it before.  However, as far as the "accusations" about Warnke
>>being involved with the Satanic church...heck yes.  He was a high
>>priest in the church.  I don't think that's an "accusation" when you
>>consider the fact that that is the whole sum of his testimony, that
>>God can work through even the most committed sinner.
>> 
>>Now he's totally committed to something else, praise God!  Listen to
>>his album "Alive" to find out more of his testimony.
>> 
>>--baboo
>
>The point of the Cornerstone article is that this suppposed testimony
>is a LIE. Not that he was in the Satanic church but that his claims
>to have been were not true.
>
Well, I don't know how anyone is so sure this is a lie, I mean the
Satanic church doesn't publicize its membership lists ;-) but if I
were a satanist, I'd surely deny that Warnke was ever a member, because
then I could deny anything he says and also ruin his ministry. What do
the satanists say about this? Probably that they've never heard of him.
Of course!

                 --Stacey
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM Definitions
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:13:55 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>> You know, after I became a Christian, I had all of my Secular music
  in one section, and CCM in another, and would see which one was larger.
  Then I realized that this was silly, because it just seemed pointless
  to label an art form. I now have all of my music mixed in alphabetical 
  order with the CCM cd's "touching" their evil counterparts. Face it,
  music is music, this arguing,(according to Dan) IMHO, is just quibbling 
  over nit picks.


Ahhh...  But couldn't this be construed as "being yoked together with
non-believers?      :-)     :-)


-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 

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