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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:08:31 GMT

In article <56338@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <16872100D2.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>Nets didn't match the Pistons $10 mill/5 year offer, so formerly restricted
>>free agent Mills is a Piston!
>
>
>Russ Smith

So the Nets are bound to have sufficient room under the salary cap. Are
there any $ 2 Million players available at the PF spot ? 

.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:37:32 GMT

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>
>>	So did Bob Cousy, who, for some ungodly reason, decided to un-retire
>>and play the point for the Cincinatti Royals, whom he was coaching.  He 
>>averaged a sparkling 0.7 points, and 1.4 assists in 7 games.
>>>Russ Smith


>mmmh... Some of the things claimed on this net....
>0.7 ppg *7games= 4.9 pts total....

	Well, if U want to get exact, Cousy averaged 0.714285714286 ppg in
	7 games, which is a total of 5 points.

	Sometimes we like to round off on the net... :)

	Jazzy J
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:29:50 GMT

In article <56345@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>Mills is a decent player, but I really don't see why the Pistons gave
>him that much, if I were the Nets I would have called a press conference
>they day he signed his offer sheet and presented him with a Piston
>uniform and a plane ticket to Detroit. Coleman is a much better player,
>and if they paid Mills that much, you just know Derrick would want a
>new contract.
 
There was also the likelihood that Detroit would go after Morris if the Nets
matched. They might be able to afford both at 9.5 mill/5 years, but would
they want to spend that much? Fact is, they kept saying they would match the
Pistons' offer until Mills canceled the meeting with Nets management last
weekend.
 
>>He'll be big, alright. :) At least he has some kind of inside game.
>>If Rodman stays, Mills presence may allow Dennis to switch to small
>>forward when necessary.
 
>Mills can score a bit, but he's always been soft because he's never
>been in shape. If he was really at 274, nothing has changed. My gut
>feeling is he's their insurance should Rodman retire or demand a
>trade, and he can't fill Dennis' shoes.
 
Speaking of guts, at today's news conference Mills broke his silence
about his weight. The verdict: he's "under 260" (That's less than
shorter players like Mailone and Barkley.) and he says he wants to drop
15 more pounds.
 
The press sees him as a key reserve, with Rodman and Woolridge as starting
forwards.
 
Wasn't Mills the second pick overall in the draft?
 
--Eric
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
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Subject: Re: Street & Smith predictions
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:51:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEsM9.1or
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.) writes:

>Wait... they still have Newman, no?  Is he starting to play yet?  Any
>word from those in the know on how the training camp's been going?
>This is what I have through one depth:

>PG   Bogues / Bennett
>SG   Gill / Curry
>SF   Newman / Reid (Johnson is also not big enough to defend here)
>PF   Johnson / Gattison
>C    Mourning / Gminski

>... and the other two, I'm not sure about.  It's a good group, very
>fast with the starters, much more top-heavy with the backups.

	I think Johnny Newman is still around.  He could be the starting
	SF.  I don't think J.R. Reid would back up at SF however -- he's
	a PF - C if anything.  Could U imagine a J.R. Reid keeping up with
	a Scottie Pippen?  No way...  LJ's not big enough, but he'd 
	definitely do a better job than J.R. on somebody like Pippen.

	As far as the other two -- pencil in Kevin Lynch as one one of them.
	He's shown some potential, and he should stick on this year's roster.

	Jazzy J

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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Warriors News
Summary: Warriors sign Matt Fish
Keywords: Warriors, Fish
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:32:24 GMT

The Warriors today announced that they have signed the second of their 1992
second round draft picks, Matt Fish.  Fish is a 6'11" 235 lb center from
North Carolina-Wilmington.  This signing is a bit of a surprise because
it had been reported that Fish had signed a contract to play in Japan next
year.  I don't know anything about Fish, but I would be surprised to
see him last throught training camp.  On a positive note, this is the
first player that the Warriors have signed since the end of last season
that is over 6'5" tall.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 17:41:05 GMT

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>
>>2) The Lakers seem to be lacking in shooting and depth.
>
>How?  We all know that Magic can shoot from anywhere, that he'll raise Byron
>Scott's % drastically and add that Threatt can shoot pretty well...

Magic can shoot from anywhere, I agree.
Scott seems to be getting worse year by year, so I'd be surprised if he
improved drastically.
Threatt?  Can you say, streaky?

>Depth?  Here's one thing that's drastically improved.  Divac, Campbell, Worthy,
>Perkins, Green, Magic, Scott, Threatt...8 very solid players

Campbell?  Very solid?  You must be kidding.
And Green is the only real help at the forward spots (so that puts a lot of
responsiblity on the shoulders of Worthy and Perkins, who are having problems 
staying healthy).

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From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's back
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:54:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

That's it.  I hate the Lakers again.

Go Clippers!

Tony
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Heat Trade Update.. Harold Miner
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:00:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.085337.1@pomona.claremont.edu> mtobler@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>Rockets were very serious about making
>a trade with the Heat.  Hakeem for a package including
>Seikaly and first rounder Harold Miner.  
>
>The Heat are already deep at guard so Miner is no loss.
>The big question is who the third, maybe fourth player
>would be.

How good is Miner ? Before the draft there were comparisons with Michael
Jordan ... If he is really that good, it would be a steal for Houston.
What do the bay area college basketball gurus think of him ?
From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
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Subject: Re: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:56:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In <1992Sep23.230447.6155@fasttech.uucp> zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:

>Kevin is Portland's Refrigerator Perry. He has a lot of potential. Word is that
>he's been working out this year in the off season. If he really is in shape,
>then the only missing thing keeping Kevin from being a GREAT player is for the
>Blazers to get him a personal "counselor" to help him improve his attitude.


I think I heard somewhere that Kevin's diet had been all wrong. Supposedly he was loosing
muscle instead of fat. How this could happen with all the big dollars thrown around I
don't know. Anyway, I suspect that Duckworth will be much better this year.

If anyone can confirm or deny this let me know.


Sonics in 92-93!
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: question about nba.c
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:57:13 GMT


Hi!  I just had a question about the nba.c program

it compiles and everything but I keep getting an

ld: -O: bad flag error..

did i miss one of the options on the compiling command or something?

i believed I typed in: cc -o nba nba.c

thanks in advance for the help!

ben
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Date: Sat,  3 Oct 1992 11:47:29 -0400 
From: Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: My reply to a "different" opinion






	BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	*CHEERS*

	*SCREAMS OF ADULATION*

	*CLAPPING*

	IT'S....MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	I could not beelieve anyone could make such statements about 
	Magic (referring to Sean's comments).

	I totally agree with Jazzy's comments in return and will now add
	a few of my own.

	Saying that Magic is over-rated and Mr. Ego and a sissy, etc.,
	shows an ignorance in the game of basketball that defies logic.
	If one has any knowledge at all of the NBA, one knows that 
	the players that make teams, the players that make the NBA 
	the hallmark of sports that it is are players like Magic, and Bird, 
	and Jordan, etc!

	Insulting Magic with obviously no knowledge of his past career
	and past accomplishments is just not right.  It is an insult to him
	and th game as a whole.  If you are going to comment on players in 
	the NBA, Mr. Hopkins, then get some knowledge of the game 
	and somee knowledge of medicine (your theory of AIDS transfer
	is down right ludicrous).

	Thank you Jazzy for speaking for all of us and the NBA!

MAGE!
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:06:02 GMT

In article <BvMo72.Kw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	
>	Well, looking at some of your examples -- as far as the Jazz
>	are concerned -- sure they'd lose quite a bit w/ the loss of
>	Stockton -- but now they have Jay Humphries to step in, and
>	they shouldn't lose too much of a beat, except for depth.  Losing
>	Malone would mean more PT for Krystowiak, which isn't a total
>	loss, but pretty close.  Blazers w/out Kersey may not be so bad
>	because people like Tracy Murray could fill in -- the Blazers are
>	that deep.  Suns w/out Barkley is really unknown, because last
>	season they didn't have him.  Losing KJ has happened before,
>	and Negele Knight responded w/ big numbers.
>
>	U do lose quite a bit when U lose your star player -- but if U've
>	got a slightly lesser player who can fill in, and everyone else
>	steps up their games a bit -- the loss might not be all that
>	devastating.

This is true, especially the one about the Blazers.  Cliff Robinson could
also plug the gap.  But if they lost Drexler or Porter...

That's why I kind of gag when people say how valuable Mark Price is.  They
point to the Cavs' record without him forgetting how many games Daugherty,
Williams, Nance and Harper (after they traded him) missed from that original
projected team of the '90s.  The Lakers would have been a 20 win team or
less if Sedale Threatt hadn't come in and provided VERY competent numbers
if not Magic ones.  Can you imagine Byron Scott playing point or letting
Rory Sparrow do it?  Disaster!  Price was the only real player in the Cavs'
backcourt, so the dropoff without him to Darnell Valentine (who's barely
CBA quality) was totally harsh.  Include half a season without Hot Rod
Williams, and you've got a team that looks like it's been trashed.
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Subject: Re: Magic's back
From: sport@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:45:56 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <38793@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
> That's it.  I hate the Lakers again.
> 
> Go Clippers!
> 
> Tony

I'm with you (Except the Clippers part).

Go T-Wolves!

MJHeil
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's Back
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG LING LING) writes:

>But how much of a difference will it be if he doesn't playt away games ?
>Note: if the Lakers need a clutch play down the wire...ka-boom They will
>blow it, as they did often enough last season. Worse still, the rest of
>the team might feel pissed that Magic will get royalty treatment because
>of his HIV and unretirement status.

	There's no way that the rest of the team will get pissed!  Are
	U kidding?  This is Magic we're talking about here.  He's THE MAN.
	He's the best player on the team -- by far.  He's a living legend.
	I would think that the team would be happy just to have him there
	even half of the time.  And, I think that everyone realizes his
	condition -- and that only playing X amount of games is in the best
	interest of his health/life more than anything else.  

>Just a sideline note...Bobby Fischer unretired and proved to everyone
>that he should have stayed away, remained a myth and a legend. If Magic
>comes back and sucks badly, it will really dismantle his reputation.

	I don't see it.  Magic did it in the All-Star game -- and in the
	Olympics.  Only playing X # of games is going to allow him to
	rest up and be at his best always.  His numbers should be down
	(I see around 14ppg, 10apg) -- but he will still be the same
	'ol Magic.

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:50:08 GMT

jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:

>How about an off-guard?  Scott's been too streaky for too many years, 
>and you'd only have to say one bad thing about Teagle's momma to get him
>tossed.  OK, Threatt can play both guards (and probably will have to),
>but look at the guards on Portland, Phoenix, Golden State.  A.C. is a
>warrior, Perkins has long arms and good outside shot, etc.  
	
	The Lakers have quite a talent at off-guard to back up in Scott in
	Anthony Peeler.  In fact, Peeler is quite similar to Scott in his
	style of play.  Like Scott did to Norm Nixon, I wouldn't be surprised
	if Peeler grabs the starting position by the end of the season...

	Jazzy J

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From: nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Nelson)
Subject: Magic Returning
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:41:20 GMT

An AP report this afternoon says that Magic Johnson will 
return to the LA Lakers this season, playing mainly home
games.

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From: dla@westford.ccur.com (Dave Anderson)
Subject: Unretirement
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:27:54 GMT


>> The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
>> NBA after an official retirement?

> Dave Cowens did.

  So did the Cooz... albeit with Cincinatti.

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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laker Notes
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:43:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38911
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <540@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>Compare the (probable) Laker line-up for the upcoming season with
>the line-up of the Western Conference champion Lakers from 1990-91.

[comparison deleted]

The 92-93 Lakers may be every bit as good as the 90-91 Lakers.
However, that's probably not good enough to win the conference
again.  Other teams in the West (Phoenix, Portland, Seattle, Utah,
Golden State) have improved significantly since 90-91.

Tony
From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:48:20 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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In article <5848@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas) writes:
>
>Personally I see the Lakers as an old
>and very untested team -- Anthony Peeler may be great; he may not, but
>look at the starting lineup: how many of them are under 30?

Untested!?  Let's see, Magic, Worthy, Scott and Green have played
together since about 1984, including the 84, 85, 87, 88, 89, and 91
finals.  Yup, that's pretty untested.  I wonder if they even know how
to play this silly game?  Perkins and Threatt are both solid veterans,
so I'd say the Laker core is pretty well tested.

About the age thing, it seems like ever since Kareem turned 40 that
people have been writing off the Lakers as too old.  Here's their
approximate ages:

Magic 32-33
Scott ~30
Worthy ~32
Perkins ~30 ?
Divac ~25

So, only one of the starters is under 30.  But none of the rest is
ready for the old-folks home.  Magic's played a long time, but he
started young.  Besides, we're only talking about this season here--I
don't see age as a problem.

>This team could easily fall apart again.

If you means that Magic+Worthy+Divac+Perkins could miss 175 combined
games, like they did last year, it's certainly possible.  I'd hardly
call that "falling apart", though.

chris
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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pisto
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:56:15 GMT
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In article 97303@bu.edu, sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
> 
> It's a ridiculous suggestion. What's the point of making an offer
> if u don't really want a player? Just to spoil other team's salary pictures?
> WHen the team is not even in your division?

Sure,  they did that for Koncak.  Hosed up Atlanta's salary cap for a while.
Now I doubt that was their intention for Mills,   New Jersey would not be
a team you would target.  Hmmm,  maybe they will offer Will Perdue 3 Mil
a year next year.  :-)



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From: ksw3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KENNETH STARR WATSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks \*really\* going to be that good?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:52:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I only have a few questions about the new Knicks team.  What happens if
    Anthony goes down at point guard?  Doc Rivers used to be pretty good but
    he seems to be injured a lot of the time.  Also Anthony didn't do much to
    impress me during the regular season last year (can you say trigger?).
    Also, how long will it take a bunch of strangers to play like a team?
    What are the Knicks planning to do at the forward positions?  Will Mason
    play more SF?  He has surprising quickness for somebody that big.  OK so I
had more than a couple questions, but I think the Knicks should still be a
good team and should give Jordan & Co. a run for their money.

GO Knicks!!