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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Intro reposted with new heading!
From: wanamake@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:15:08 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1993Jan21.164020.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, wanamake@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> Hello everyone:
> 
> 	I have never posted on an Internet newsgroup before, so 
> forgive me if this one doesn't come out right.  My name is Sarah, and 
> I am a 32-Y-O M to F transsexual.  I am preop, and have been living 
> as a woman for approximately three months.  I am lucky in that I am 
> only 5'8" high, and even though I have been on hormones for only 
> seven months, I have absolutely no trouble passing.
> 
> 	I was overjoyed to hear of the existence of this newsgroup, 
> and look forward tohearing from others on the system.  I work at 
> Sonoma State, and the people here have been wonderful in accepting 
> me.  Of course, they were surprised--I played the male game pretty 
> well, but once I told them of how this has been with me my entire 
> life they were less shocked.
> 
> 	Well, guess that can serve as an intro.  I would be most 
> happy to correspond with anyone who might have questions or fears 
> about this whole issue--I have lectured to two classes so far here, 
> with excellent response and understanding!
> 
> Hugs,
> Sarah W.


Most sorry to post the whole intro again, but I realized that I 
hadn't put a proper subject heading on the file, so here goes again!

Sarah W.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an7823@anon.penet.fi (Sally Walker)
Subject: What do you do?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:24:55 GMT

Hello all! This group is wonderful - I'm learning about myself
by hearing from you all. Thanks!

I'm a very closeted sort - late thirtys - who CDs mostly at home. When
dressed I like to read this group, clean the house, iron and cook - it
seems to fit my dressed persona. 

So here's my query - what do you like to do once dressed, if you staay
at home?

Also, I find that dressing takes me to a place of escape - for me it
is a time to let go of the problems of my male self - to be free and
relaxed. Is that true for others?

This is my first post - so thanks for being there!

Love,
Sally W.
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From: wanamake@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Pictures...
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:27:00 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1993Jan26.073544.13748@fuug.fi>, an5659@anon.penet.fi writes:
> Does anyone know of any clubs that service our clientel in Pennsylvania?
> 
> Also, I was wondering if anyone had sent their pictures into any of the
> 
> mags(Tapestry, FMI, LadyLike, etc.).  Just trying to put faces with the
> 
> names.
> 
> 
> Hugs
> 
> Karyn

Well, Karyn, my photo is in the current issue of Tapestry under the name
Sarah W. in the California section.  However the photo was taken 
before I went on hormones and lost some weight, so it doesn't look 
particularly like me anymore.

Hugs,
Sarah W.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: rks@cscns.com (Gisle J. Benediktsson)
Subject: Re: Female "Crossdressers"
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:43:58 GMT

wheeler@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
: > 
: Right on sister! As a female convert to overall (why would anyone wear tight jeans
: with a waistband?) I fully support women who wear "men's" clothes. Do you find
: yourself frustrated that people look at you as a butch or a tomboy because of
: the way you dress? Or do you think they respond negatively because they feel

I try not to allow it to frustrate me. I think there are elements of the
whole issue that become somewhat political in nature. Example: I work
at a company that has a dress code. (I think dress codes are archaic
and useless but it is a question of property rights. Q-M gets to make
their own rules.) Anyway, the dress code forbids blue jeans -- a staple
of my wardrobe). To compensate for the situation, I went to the local
Goodwill and bought some black jeans, grey jeans, cords and so on. WELL!
That does not please Q-M. They want to see WOMEN in dresses, hose and
suchlike. I find that to be sexist -- extremely sexist! Why, just
because I don't have a dick between my legs, should I be coerced inot
dressing in a way that makes me uncomfortable? Property rights? Perhaps.
But very unenlightened. 

I had a discussion with my boss about the subject and he told me to 
continue dressing the way I already do and just go on about my business.

I find that kind of unenlightened attitude far more frustrating than
anyone thinking I am butch or gay. Of course, the rumors already
flow at work. :-)

: threatened?  To expand the dialog a bit, do you think "women's clothes"  need
: to be fussy or frilly? I think that the basic form of a skirt is very
: freedom-promoting and I think more people in western cultures should give it a
: try (beyond or in addition to the cross-dressing thing). Anyway, I just wanted
: to give you a thumbs up for your promotion of the androgynous look.


I don't think anyone feels threatened by me. I do believe though that
they are not entirely comfortable because they find it hard to read me
by external means. 

I like skirts also for sitting around the house because they are
comfortable. (If I wear one, it is very long.) I generally stick
to sweats because I don't have to manage all the cloth. During the 
summer, they can be a welcome break. Especially with my 'feminie
way' of sitting. :-) The air feels great going up my legs. :-)


The entirely uncultured Gisle


                         "The law in its majestic equality forbids
                         the rich as well as the poor from stealing
                         bread, begging and sleeping under bridges."
                                           
                                         Anatole France



Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an7126@anon.penet.fi (Marie)
Subject: Being out there...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:13:15 GMT


>>an2967@anon.penet.fi (Tierney Dhewitrei) writes:
>>As far as what society can do...  The problem with this attitude is,
>>you have to live in it all the same.  If you don't like the ride, you
>>can change it, but you still have to ride and you have to deal with
>>the consequences of your actions.  So do those that are close to you.

>scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
>i can, intend to, and will do everything in my power to change
>society.  i refuse to ascribe to the belief that i should teach my
>child(ren) to believe in and live by the same crap that society
>teaches just so they can fit in better.  if we expect society to
>change we MUST change what we teach the children, and that starts with
>parents showing their children that it's alright to be yourself, and
>that what other people say about you doesn't matter.

>this is part of the reason my wife is an elementary education major.

Tierney,

   I understand your position, in many ways it mirrors my own, your 
commitment to family is complete, and the cost of living the life that
would make you happy, has too high a price tag. Nonetheless, a person
can't hide from their nature. If you swallow your need long enough it
is apt to come back up as an ulcer? heart desease? a brain tumor?
   So, it's important that you speak your heart, share your feelings,
seek the counsel of people who care, and possibly professionals. You
should also never underestimate how much the people you love, love 
you in return... they might be more understanding than you suspect.
   Last, keeping such dire secret from your loved ones, does them no
favor... sooner or later you will notice how walls built hurt your
ability to be close to those you love.

Kelly,

   Right on girl, I hope you find your slice-o-heaven, I pray that
you have your cake and eat it too (and a dollop of Hagen Daz for 
good measure). Your in for for stormy weather, but it's gotta be 
better coming home to yourself, than spending the rest of this 
precious life skirting your true nature. So damn the torpedoes and
full speed ahead...

Love Y'all,  Marie
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From: devin@colorado.edu (No one in particular)
Subject: Re: Stockings and shopping revisited
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:40:04 GMT

Lisa (an6572@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
:      Seeing that I am 6'3", "big-boned" :-), and have a shoe size of 13 (15 
: womens', correct?), I have a hard time finding anything that fits me; however,
: I can usually find things with a little effort.  The one sore spot with me is
: stockings and hosiery.
:      Catalogs don't seem to carry anything that would fit me (the largest 
: that JC Penney's carries in their catalog is 6X, and considering the abyssmal
: experience I had with some 3X that I picked up once, thinking they'd be large 
: enough may be wholly incorrect.  As I recall, they came somewhere to my 
: mid-thigh, and even if they had fit once I had them that far, they would have 
: surely run because they were so stretched).  I called a place in town that is
: a "hosiery discounters/distributers" that is across the street from one of my
: favorite game stores, and they only carry up to 4X.  I'm not out enough yet
: to go into any of the large womens' shops (considering I have relatives who 
: shop in those stores, and who knows where they shop exactly all the time?).

While I'm only 6' even, and I have small feet (9 to 9 1/2 womens), I have
VERY long legs (approx. 35" inseam).  So, I've had the same problem.  The
best ones I've found were Just My Size 1X's.  Note that 3X's are not
necessarily taller than 1X's.  Read the size chart on the display or on
the back of the package.  Just My Size are the only pantyhose I can wear
more than once (any others I've tried run very quickly).

Just a suggestion.

				-Deb

--
Deborah Parks (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  deb@boulder.colorado.edu   ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an299@anon.penet.fi (Judy)
Subject: Marie's questions answered
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:48:45 GMT


>1. How does female hormone therapy effect mail pattern baldness???
>
It may stop it from getting worse.  It will not reverse it.

>2. What is involved in laryngial cartilidge surgery (removal of the adams
>app>le), and how much does it cost???

A small horizontal slit is made on your throat (1 inch).  The surgeion
literally scrapes the offending tissue away.  Then you get sewed
back up.  This can be a tricky operation but it is becoming 
commonplace for some surgeons and TS surgeons are masters.  The 
scar is just like any scar.  If you scar easily, you will carry it
for life.

>
>3. About how long after the beginning of hormone therapy, do female   
>secondary sex characteristics become evident??? physical??? emotional???
>psychological???

Many report physical affects almost immediately.  From my experience,
I not experienced them personally or seen them make that much difference
on anyone else.  This is initially.  Over time, features soften, 
body hair reduces, and some breast tissue grows.  These thinks 
happen best when the testocerone producers are removed <wink>.

On the psychological side... I felt much better after I started taking
them.  I felt like I was finally doing something positive.

Emotionally, it was a roller coaster. I was working with a physician
who experimented with several types to help me find the correct one
prior to surgery.  I finally settled on DES (Diethyl Stilbestorol)
which did the best job on controlling male urges in the night.  
During the first 6 weeks of taking this, I became very depressed
and despondant.  Surely, I had family problems that helped compound
it.  I remained on DES for 10 months or so until I had the surgery.
In addition, I took spironalactone (a blood pressure medication) 
to reduce the after growth of hair from Electrolosys.

Prior to surgery, my areolas had developed significantly, and the
skin on my male member had started to change color and texture.  The
penus skin does have receptors that recieve hormones.  In time 
the vaginal cavity will take on these and respond.  

After surgery, the body hair has diminished significantly.  I still 
have to shave my legs but arm hair and chest hair have gone.  I 
have enough of my own breast tissue to fill a B cup (with implants,
I wear a C cup).

I  hope that this answers some questions.  Maybe it will raise more!

Judy (|)


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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an6572@anon.penet.fi (Lisa)
Subject: Stockings and shopping revisited
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:59:25 GMT

     When I was younger (through early high school) I used to raid my mother's
things so that I could CD when I was at home alone.  One of the things I liked
most, I remember, was stockings.  They always felt very good on my skin, and 
just "seemed" like femininity to me.
     Now that I practice CDing on a semi-regular basis, and buy my own things,
I would like to get some hosiery to wear with it, because of the fantastic
feeling it gave me, and sometimes, when I want to be a little daring, I could 
even wear them under sweatclothes or jeans, since I still live in my
boyclothes to appease society.

     However, this leads me to the crux of this post.

     Seeing that I am 6'3", "big-boned" :-), and have a shoe size of 13 (15 
womens', correct?), I have a hard time finding anything that fits me; however,
I can usually find things with a little effort.  The one sore spot with me is
stockings and hosiery.
     Catalogs don't seem to carry anything that would fit me (the largest 
that JC Penney's carries in their catalog is 6X, and considering the abyssmal
experience I had with some 3X that I picked up once, thinking they'd be large 
enough may be wholly incorrect.  As I recall, they came somewhere to my 
mid-thigh, and even if they had fit once I had them that far, they would have 
surely run because they were so stretched).  I called a place in town that is
a "hosiery discounters/distributers" that is across the street from one of my
favorite game stores, and they only carry up to 4X.  I'm not out enough yet
to go into any of the large womens' shops (considering I have relatives who 
shop in those stores, and who knows where they shop exactly all the time?).

     Thus, what to do?  I'd appreciate any info that anyone could give me on 
a source to solve this impasse (in the Houston area would be preferable, but
mail-order may also work fine).  Also, any information as to what size fits...
well, what size :-) would be appreciated.


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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered,an3924
From: an3924@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Intros
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered,an3924
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:22:38 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered,an3924@anon.penet.fi
I am not sure if this works and I really hate introducing myself
But here goes nothing.
He I am Jennifer Slavic and I'm a TV in the greater Boston,Ma,USA area.
I pop on to the IRC #crossdress alot, and now that I have a penet mailbox
I feel much more free about coming out so to speak.  I have
been dressing and maintianing a secret identity for about 10 years now.
Do any of you girls in other countries find it difficult to come out?
I mean what is the public perception of the gender community like in
you country or region?
 
                              Jennifer
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From: an909@anon.penet.fi (Kathryn Madera)
Subject: Mail Order Source Wanted
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:30:08 GMT


Hello all,

	Does anyone know of a mail-order source for Hanes' Fitting Pretty
Pantyhose?  I have found this brand to fit me the best as I am a full-
figured "girl" who is also taller than normal.  Mail-order sources for 
other top-of-the-line queen-sized pantyhose would also be appreciated.
Information can be posted here or I can be reached anonymously at
an909@anon.penet.fi  .

	Thank You,

		Hugs,

		 Kathryn


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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: jenny@matrix.demon.co.uk (Jennifer Liddle)
Subject: Re: What do you do? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Matrix Industries
Reply-To: jenny@matrix.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:46:44 +0000

Hmmm. I tend to write and debug C programs, answer email (and snail-mail),
feed the cat, try to catch up with my reading, and so on.

I subscribe to the Quentin Crisp school of thought on housework:
"After three years, the dust doesn't get any thicker."

-- 
       ---------------------------------------------------------
Jennifer Liddle, Merstham, Surrey, England       jenny@matrix.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an5155@anon.penet.fi
Subject: For Sale
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:11:31 GMT


Hi again, I've got some items for sale.  Please e-mail if you're
interested (an5155@anon.penet.fi):

pair of 3"  'andiamo' black satin pumps, size 11B (women's)...   
These have four small, diamond-like rhinestones on them, two near 
the front and two on the outside side of the shoe, near the back.
The design is very elegant.  The shoes have been worn once and
look completely new except for scuff marks on the soles.
I wear a size 11 1/2 - 12 men's  and these shoes are a bit tight,
but wearable (my foot is 3.5" wide at its widest).  $30

19" long, medium brown wig, slightly curly (more wavey)
It's about 12" from the nape of the neck downward.  I have an
above average sized head and the wig fits fine.  It can also
fit larger or smaller heads.  It's made by Henri Margu and
is their #1570 "Vegas" wig, color 8 (medium brown).  Worn twice.
$60

video "Where the Girls are Boys"... nearly 2 hr female impersonater
contest "Universal Ball" w/ backstage interviews.  Viewed once.
The video is not extremely professional, but is interesting.
$30

"Pussy Panty"... this is latex underwear with a (slightly
exaggerated) vagina molded in front (with an opening).  It's
nude colored.  Worn once, over pantyhose.  $30

If you have any questions about these or wish to get more
information or want photos, drop a line.  Maybe we can
negotiate on the prices/p&h/package-deal.  

Thanks for your interest!  an5155@anon.penet.fi

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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an6978@anon.penet.fi (Amy)
Subject: Hello everyone
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:47:56 GMT

	Well, as many others have done, I am posting for the first time in this
news group.  I am really glad this exists.  As soon as I see that the anon 
service works, I will publish my small bio.  I would also like to thank 
Celeste and several others for their activity and support in this group.
Well, thats all. Bye.

Love,
Amy
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From: an6041@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: strange mast. mem. dream
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:28:28 GMT

I see in this dream an issue of self-acceptance.  Something in your day-to-day
life triggered this memory that is probably a focal point of your
feelings surrounding your self-image in those times.  If you look at things
that happened recently before the dream, you'll find something that relates to
those feelings.  It could be meeting someone you like who did not return your
sentiments, it could be something you did that reminds you of what you used
to consider as male-behaviour, it could even be something as innocuous as
being turned down for a job opportunity.  It could be almost anything.
From how you've described yourself I understand you to be very comfortable
and happy with yourself as you are now, I don't see any undercurrents going
on at all.
	I used to analyse my dreams at one time, and what I found was my
dreams were getting more and more complicated and tricky.  I figured out
that what was happening was the mind was just sorting things out and didn't
really need to be understood in detail.  Now I only look at one of my dreams
if it is particularly upsetting or keeps reoccurring.  Your dream doesn't
sound like it was real upsetting but rather just a bit disturbing, your
mind was probably just doing some housekeeping.  Have you been getting your
hugs in lately?

Hope this helps some,
Suzanne
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