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From: metzger@convex.com (Robert Metzger)
Subject: Re: Woodstock and questions
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:34:20 GMT
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In article <1gk54aINNkrg@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> schiesel-seth@yale.edu (Seth Schiesel) writes:
>Well first of all, is this about the culture *of* upstate New York or the
>cultural event taking place *in* upstate New York?
>Second, I guess "upstate New York" is pretty much everything but the city.
> 

An upstater is anyone who takes the trouble to tell strangers that he
or she is from UPSTATE New York, not just New York.
As we all know, a downstater just says he or she is from 'the City'.

I will interpret culture broadly and point out that their are many food
items that are unique or at least original upstate New York delicacies:

1) spicy chicken wings, known here in Texas as "Buffalo Wings" (sic)
2) Speidis (sp?) from Binghamton
3) Real white hot dogs and frozen custard from Rochester
4) Grape pie from Naples (maybe I should post my wife's recipe for 
   grape pie).

Upstate New York is a real nice place to live.  Too bad it's politically
subjugated to the lunatics in Hell-on-the Hudson.  If it ever secedes
maybe I'll move back.

Trivia question:
Name all the U.S. Senators from upstate that have represented New York
since 1945.

/Bob Metzger
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Weird Newsgroup
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:32:35 GMT

In article <1gkj3gINNc2@aludra.usc.edu> sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu
(Steven John Knezevich) writes:
>Sorry kids, but Buffalo is the place for culture......we have all the cool
>stuff.  Food, people, and THE GODDAMN BUFFALO BILLS...they better make it to 
>the playoffs and the superbowl.   Be true to the game.  You guys know you
>love Buffalo.  C'mon man, wings and Frank Lloyd Wright...how cool is that?

I grew up in Niagara Falls, lived in Buffalo for a year.  Been out in
California for over 8 years now but I still enjoy visiting home.

Does anyone know if Niagara University is connected to Usenet?

    don
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From: mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon)
Subject: Re: Best Rochester Restaurants?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:19:51 GMT

How about Mark's Diner downtown.
  The cheeseburger special (was) $2.65.  WITH fries, mac salad and a
small drink.  

-mike

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From: f3w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Gellis)
Subject: Buffalo life?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:23:41 GMT

I've got an interview coming up for a job in the Buffalo area.  Any
comments on what this city and the surrounding area is like?  Suggestions
or comments on various suburbs (i.e., places to live or avoid), things
to do for fun (besides the Falls), and so on.  Thanks!

Mark
f3w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu


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From: cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook)
Subject: Upstate
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:57:43 GMT


I must quibble with one assertion that "Buffalo is really like the
midwest. I have found little similarity between glorious upstate New
York and the dreary prairie.

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From: eam@mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ed A. Mills)
Subject: Re: Would you consider Kingston Upstate
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:34:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Keywords: Kingston

In article <1992Dec15.125647.7396@nosc.mil> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>Nope, absolutely nothing south of the Governor Thomas E. Dewey Thruway is
>'Upstate'.  Oh, forget the 'San Diego' address... I'm a Roman.
>
>Walt K.

Having been born & raised in Syracuse, and having gone to SU, and lived in
Manlius, Schectady, and Scotia, I can say that everyone I ever talked to
from New York felt unequiviquably that Upstate New York was anywhere in NYS
that was not part of NYC.  I never heard these North of the Thruway, or
North of this line or that line arguments..  Curious.

Ed
.
From: churley@warren.med.harvard.edu (Carol Hurley)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Would you consider Kingston Upstate
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:00:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <BzAJB7.Jxz@cs.psu.edu>, jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) wrote:
> 
> Hey now, that's a good question:  What do people here consider to be "upstate"?
> I'm from Syracuse, and generally consider everything north of Westchester
> County to be Upstate.
> I'm originally from Potsdam and thought that anything north of Westchester is "Upstate"  anything north of Syracuse is "North Country"

> Then again, there's not that much culture in Syracuse...  :^)
That's for sure.
> 
> -Jeremy Hall
> -Penn State Univ.

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churley@warren.med.harvard.edu

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From: rens@lorax.shearson.com (Rens Troost)
Subject: Re: about alt.culture.long-island
Reply-To: rens@shearson.com (Rens Troost)
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:40:22 GMT



In article <1992Dec17.095217.7263@news.columbia.edu> cjd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher J de Zorzi) writes:

   ....bridge from Montauk to CT via Cold spring Harbor????  Uhh, geographicly, 
   that's kinda impossible dontcha' think?  Now, there has been talk about 
   building a bridge from Shoreham to CT, but that has been around for decades 
   and will probably never come to pass.
	   yeah, the island is a sad extension of NYC...and a horrible repository
   for malls...only nice place left is WAY out east....overall, tho, i hope it 
   sinks...


It's _really_ nice out on the north fork, though. I think it redeems
the place, though the rest of it is a wasteland.

What's wrong with the Island is not that it is like New York...It's like
Orange County, CA - a soulless suburb filled with narrowminded bigots.

-Rens
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Not bloody likely!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:21:27 GMT

magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
: 
: Culture in upstate NY?????
: 
: 
: Subject says it all.  
: 
: :-)  ( for the humour impaired )

That might be debatable, but you Canadians sure love to _shop_ there, don't  
you? :)

"Do you have anything to declare?"
"No, ma'm, but we really did buy all those groceries and cigarettes in  
Mississauga, we just forgot to take them out of the car, that's all, eh?"

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From: ddgarcia@coons.berkeley.edu (Dan Garcia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Great New Group
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:28:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) writes:
|> jerry@ee.rochester.edu (Jerry Seward) writes:
|> >marnie@ajax.mitre.org (Marnie R. Salisbury) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Wow-- there's so many of us upstaters out there.
|> >>
|> >>> Has anyone heard of Dolgeville?
|> >>
|> >>Yes.  I'm from Poland.  Have you heard of it?
|> >>
|> >Sure, I'm from Floyd.  Have you heard of that?
|> >
|> 
|> I'll call and raise you Gallupville.  Have you heard of that?

Howabout Cooperstown - home to the Baseball Hall of Fame?

How do you get to Cooperstown?
















Work on your hitting! (bad-um-pum)
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Culture in Upstate NY?
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:04:06 GMT

In article <EIVERSON.92Dec16115148@mykene.nmsu.edu> eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) writes:
>
>As one who grew up in Syracuse NY I can attest that there is no
>culture there.  Oh sure, there's the Everson museum designed by I.M.
>Pei, the Civic Center, the Syracuse Symphony, Syracuse Stage, Salt
>City Players, Pompeian Players, Syracuse University, the Carrier Dome
>and of course, the annual Reggata on Onondaga lake.  But other than
>that?  NOTHING!  I should know.  I been there.
>

The Regatta???  That's not culture, that's ANARCHY!
"You know it's summer when they're throwing up in public parks!"

And PUH-LEEZE!  SU & the Carrier Dome?  Yogurt has more culture than that!
(plus, their b-ball team is on probation!  I don't think their penalty was
harsh enough - i.e. not long enough to lay the groundwork for an AHL team...)

-Jeremy Hall
-Clarkson '91 (hey look!  A school way the heck upstate - almost in Canada!)
-Native of Liverpool, NY (so close to Syracuse you can see the glow off of
 beautiful, mercury-filled Onondaga Lake!)
jdh@math.psu.edu
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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Best Rochester Restaurants?
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:33:07 GMT

Some suggestions for Rochester restruants...
DAisy Four Mill, quiet, good food, some interesting specials...
Offered non-Irondiquoit road kill venison.

Can be pricey for the masses.  $100 for dinner for 4 with tip and
no drinks.

IN the summer I like Glen Ediths on the bay.  Haenot been there in
a long time, but excellent fish,  real casual posh...

J. Yudelson RIT
From: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Rochester brewpubs
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

Does anyone know if there are any brewpubs in the Rochester area? I'll be home
there for the holidays and I'm looking for any new places to quench a thirst.
Any suggestions for favorite watering holes new or old would be appreciated
also.

Cheers,
Steve

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From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Re: Upstate
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:03:44 GMT

In article 18509@husc3.harvard.edu, goodridg@husc8.harvard.edu (Andrew Goodridge) writes:
>>
>Well, Westchester County is still the best county in the state.
>
> - A Chappaqua Resident
> 

And no ":-)" or ":;_)"? How do you define "best?"
From: steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Would you consider Kingston Upstate
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:24:07
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: jdh@math.psu.edu's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:54:41 GMT

In article <BzAJB7.Jxz@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:

   Hey now, that's a good question:  What do people here consider to be "upstate"?
   I'm from Syracuse, and generally consider everything north of Westchester
   County to be Upstate.

   Then again, there's not that much culture in Syracuse...  :^)

   -Jeremy Hall
   -Penn State Univ.

It all depends. I've lived in Albany, Dobbs Ferry (Westchester) and
Syracuse. While I currently live in the Boston area, I still consider
myself a NewYorker. I've always considered that Upstate starts at about
Newburg/Beacon. Kind of the fringe of where TV/radio reception from the
City dies off. Of course, I know someone who grew up in Brooklyn who
thought that Yonkers was "upstate". 

The other thing I noticed was that when I lived in Syracuse, people looked
east for "news of the world". They didn't look west towards
Rochester/Buffalo. News came from the east, not the west.

I've always thought that NYS was both an eastern and midwestern state, with
Buffalo being the midwest (access to the west via the Great Lakes) and
Albany was and eastern city (access to the Atlantic) and that all the towns
in between couldn't make up their minds as to what they were and as such
developed their own unique culture.
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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: FIRST POST!!!
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:02:20 GMT

In article <15DEC199200423302@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:



>Wow, didn't expect to see a group like this...

why not?  that blight on the State of NY that borders New Jersey isn't the
center of the universe...

>So tell me, what kind of culture happens in Poughkeepsie or Troy?
>Please keep me informed...:)

Poughkeepsie and Troy hardly qualify as 'Upstate'...  You're now informed.


>								Kenny G
>							A proud down-stater

Walt K.
a militant UP-stater

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From: pete@cirrus.com (Pete Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Would you consider ... Upstate
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:04:17 GMT

In article <1gl74gINN9rd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> mcmahon@Tgv.Com 
			(John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon) writes:
>
>Having lived in two areas called "Upstate" I came to the following 
>conclusion.  "Upstate" is often a definition of where you are, and
>whether or not you feel you are in "upstate" New York.


Hey, FuzzFace, long time no see. (Only 11 weeks 'til next time. :-)

My brother just moved from "the city" to Tarrytown (not upstate) but its been 
11 years since I ran kicking and screaming from PolyRensselInstitechnitute, so 
I had to look it up!

We always thought of Troy as upstate. But, then, I grew up in Pound Ridge, 
we used to call that upstate too.  Maybe upstate is a state of mind.

Does anybody know if College Ave still exists?  I was a resident in #22 (1981).
The Tute was supposedly waiting for all the houses to slide off so they could 
use it as their new grand entrance. No class like The Approach.

>currently stuck in California

You may be stuck in Santa Cruz, but I consider it home now, less than 6 miles 
from the Loma Prieta epicenter. Even potential earthquakes and mudslides are 
better than another cold gray day in "dear old" Troy. The weather there had an 
uncanny way of snowing all day, turning to rain just before dark, so the slush 
could mold itself around your tires, and freeze overnight. Took a pick-axe to 
get out in the morning.

Happy to be away from Troy,

-- 
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From: turney@cs.cornell.edu (Jenn Turney)
Subject: Re: QUESTION
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:37:02 GMT

Andi writes:
>why is 50% of the female population of upstate NY
>named either JENNIFER or SUE?

Gosh, you must mean me.  Jennifer was the most common name given to
babies born in 1964 and probably for a few years surrounding that.  I
am loath to ask what the common name is now.  Probably Tiffany.

>And why have you people adopted the Japanese custom
>of removing your shoes at the door?

Um, because it snows in the winter and it's not a particularly good
idea to track one's wet footprints all over the house.  We take our
shoes off and put them by the wood stove to dry.

I've just moved to Pennsylvania (Wilkes-Barre) after 6 years at
Cornell.  I spend my winter holidays with relatives in Lowville, NY (a
nickel to the first person to give the correct pronunciation) and
summers on Lake Ontario, near Chaumont Bay (another pronunciation
trick).

Now, Ithaca, there's the cultural center of upstate NY.  No joke!
Great musical performances, excellent theater, more movie screens than
you can shake a stick at (and GOOD movies, not too expensive), lots of
art displays, interesting people.  I miss it tremendously --
Wilkes-Barre just doesn't measure up.

Jennifer Sue Turney
turney@wilkes1.wilkes.edu
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From: jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello)
Subject: Re: Best Rochester Restaurants?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:23:50 GMT

brent@ssd.csd.harris.com (Brent Benson) writes:

>eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall) writes:
>								Ratings (1-5)
>Type		Name			Specialties		Food/Service/Ambience
>--------------	----------------------	--------------------	---------------------
>American	Hogan's Hideaway				3/3/4	
>American	Rorbach's		House brew		4/3/3
>Indian		India House					4/3/3

>my entry:

>Indescribable	Nick's			Garbage Plate		1/1/5

!!!  A Nick's Garbage Plate !!!  You really jogged my memory with that
one...it's been ten years... what's on it?  Hot dogs, fried potatoes,
and, and, ...???  what?



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                         Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:05:33 EST
From: <GHB1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Weird Newsgroup
 <JLA.92Dec15100525@greatwhite.cs.indiana.edu>

Hello fellow buffalonians.
Where in Indiana are you? If you're near Bloomington, they have a great place
called Buffa-Louies. It's operated by a guy who used to make wings in buffalo
and I hear they're the best you can find in that state.

Meanwhile, I'm down here at Penn State. Man! Did I have a lame batch of wings
last night! Yukko! :-P

Go Bills!

Greg
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Beef -On- Weck
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:50:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


Ahhh! better than wings, more powerful than a Cream ALE!


Try Swinston's in Tonawanda! The best beef in Buffalo
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 19 Dec 1992 06:21:24 EST
From: Joseph P. Zdrojowy <IO10636@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Looking for an Address...
Distribution: na

Yes. St. Bonaventure Univeristy. Located about 20 minutes south of Franklinvill
e, just outside of Olean.

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From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: Maybe on the fringes of upstate
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160216.26501@nynexst.com> selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin) writes:

   Is Pawling upstate? It's not the suburbs, at least yet. It's in the hills
   ("mountains"); we're about 1100 feet up. It's about 65 miles north of
   midtown. We always thought of New Paltz as upstate; if it is, we are.

Oh please.  I think you have to be a little bit more "up" before you
call it upstate.  Say, oh, past the Catskills or something.  That
still leaves *quite* a bit of the state left.  If any of your
neighbors regularly commute to NYC, you're not upstate.

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From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Subject: Re: Just a little piece of trivia...
Followup-To: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:38:48 GMT

In article <BzDG0H.DDD@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, obrien@acf3.nyu.edu (Your Worst
Nightmare) wrote:
> 
> Did you know that if you travelled from Battery Park on Broadway,
> going uptown (though it runs downtown after 59th Street, Columbus
> Circle), you could travel all the way to Albany without making one
> turn?

Yes.  But why would anyone WANT to?

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From: tringg@rs6405.ecs.rpi.edu (George Joseph Tringali)
Subject: Niteclubs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:35:36 GMT


  Hi! I'm Jake.

  I'm originally from Boston and used to going
to niteclubs.  I'm living in Troy, NY 
(Albany area) and I am looking for 
___ANY___ place where I can mosh (slam-dance)
at a club.   I'd appreciate any information,
but try to include at least two clubs.

  Cheers,
     Jake


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From: kenp@lust.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Ken Peters)
Subject: Croghan bologna
Summary: Yes!
Organization: Digital Projects Group, JPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:58:53 GMT

I'm looking forward to Croghan bologna next week.  I don't know if
this group will be much more than a procrastination method, but it's
a fine one of those :-)


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From: mqh@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Hojnowski)
Subject: Re: QUESTION
Nntp-Posting-User: @cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:40:35 GMT

World Leader <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>And why have you people adopted the Japanese custom
>of removing your shoes at the door?

If you live in NYS, you know that when the weatherman says there's a 50%
chance of rain, that really means that it's going to rain for 50% of the day.  
In Ithaca, we call it "Ithacation".  It tends to get a bit muddy, and we don't 
want all that mud in the house.  Hence, we leave the shoes at the door.

Mike