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From: kkim@eecs.nwu.edu (Keecheon Kim)
Subject: Job Openings at Korea Telecom Int'l
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:45:31 GMT

 

Korea Telecom International (KTI) is seeking highly qualified 
researchers at both doctoral and master degree levels
in communications areas. 
KTI, a subsidiary of Korea Telecom, was founded in 1986 for
the purpose of developing international telecommunication businesses.
The newly opened KTI Research Center is beginning to be actively 
involved in strategic research projects funded by government agencies
and expects research grants over $3 million next year.
Our current research areas include communications systems,
communications theory, microwave radio systems, and satellite systems,
and ISDN.

We provide highly competitive salaries and benefits.
A fresh PhD with no work experience, for example, may expect
basic salary of 32 million Korean Won gross.
Additional salary commensurate with work experience will also be paid.
We also offer extremely attractive compensations to outstanding M.S.
graduates. 

Applicants may fax a resume to or directly call

  Dr. Yoon, Chang Yong
  Senior Executive Director
  Korea Telecom International
  C.P.O. Box 6000
  Seoul 137-070, Korea
  (822)561-2620/1 (FAX)
  (822)561-2602 (Work)
  E-mail: cyyoon@kti51.kti.kotel.co.kr

P.S. We are also seeking researchers in 
     MIS (Management Information Systems).
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Roh visits china
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:52:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: hjkim@sol.UVic.CA (Hyong-Joong Kim)writes:
 "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>>ROH ARRIVED IN CHINA FOR HISTORIC VISIT
>>>He was greeted at the airport by Chinese Trade Minister Li Lanqing,
>>>Vice-Foreign Minister Xu Dunxin and several dozen Soth Koreans.
>>Shouldn't he be greeted by the leader of China?
>>Does Chinese Trade Minister equal to the president of South Korea?
   if Kim Il-Sung visits Washington DC, G Bush will meet him at the airport?
>>Suspicious,
  Ditto
>>Kyung-Goo Doh
>It shows how Chinese views Korea.   ---- I'm not so sure at the moment.
>One other barbaric tribe to be appeased, while she is
>gobbling up Tibet and Inner Mongolia. Some might say this characterization
>is rather harsh. But I think that I am quite close to the answer, judging
>from the way Chinese in soc.culture.china flaunt their
>imperial ambitions occasionally.    ---- many of them are stunned at the
 
  Here is my point: National pride is one of good things. However, any
accusation or allegation should  supply  understandable reasons
 if you do not want to be viewed as a blind nationalist.
  You(Mr. Suh) jumped into the  conclusion that Roh
was greeted by only "lower" level TRADE minister because of their imperia
lism or looking down "tiny" countries.  However, I read a thread from
soc.culture.taiwan saying that China had stopped reception ceremony at
the airport long time ago regardless quest country and instead they give
it in the Tiananman Square(?sp) or other places. In addition, in china,
usually, Foreign minister(or  ?? vice primister) welcomes the foreign VIP
at the airport but this time, the responsible minister was visiting
Japan.  That's why Roh was greeted by Trade Minister. This thread was
written by a netter from mainland china.   I have no position either to
support Roh's visit or to hate it. However, at the same moment, your
hasty allegation may be another reflection of defeatism or self-denial.
Have a nice day.    Byungtae Lee.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.121107.5425@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>In article <Oct09.225605.98314@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>>	THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
>>KNOW YOUR HISTORY!    EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
>>SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED

I guess you right. There is a sort of racism in Korea against Japanese for
what they did to us in the PAST. It is totally different from the kind of
racism in the United States toward non-whites in its nature and scale.

At least we don't insult a Japanese in Korea by calling him something
he is not. I would stay calm if I were you, because you're  in the major 
league of racism. 
>>IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS.   WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
>>IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!   WE ARE  ALL GUILTY,
>
 Is that the reason why americans forgot what happened in the past(I don't
even have to go back far to mention what you did to Aerican natives) and
try to maintain the unjustifiable system, sir?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: leeh@rtsg.mot.com (Hyo Lee)
Subject: Re: Visiting Korea
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:31:53 GMT

tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung) writes:
>
>I will be visiting Korea in December of this year.
> 
> Can anyone give me information on affordable accomadation in Pusan
> and Seoul, such as YWCA, YMCA or youth hostels.  
> 
> Also, I am interested in information about cites and attractions.
> 
> Thank you, Teresa.

I would suggest to call one of the Korean National Tourism Corporation offices
and ask them about the Tourism information package. The following is their
numbers in the U.S.

Los Angeles	(213) 382-3435
New York	(201) 585-0909
Chicago		(312) 819-2560
From: plee@husc10.harvard.edu (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Jungshindae
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:48:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct10.084821.16228
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Hello.

Today, I copied an article that appeared several weeks ago in the
Sunday Boston Globe Magazine.  It is nominally about a lawsuit pending
against the Japanese government.  It is really about the brutality
perpetrated by the "dwarf barbarians" against schoolgirls and young
women.

I am unable to adequately express the rage I felt during my reading of
and after finishing the article.  If you are not sure what "jungshindae"
means, I recommend this article.  Even if you do know what "jungshindae"
means, I would recommend reading this article.  In fact, if there is
a call for an on-line posting of the article, I will take the time to
keystroke it in.  I would only caution that it is disturbing.  I almost
cried.

After I had calmed down a bit, I called my mother and asked her what
she knew about "jungshindae."  She said some of her friends volunteered
to go because the "dwarf barbarians" had advertised it as a sort of 
nursing duty and said that they would be helping wounded, Korean con-
scripts in Manchuria during the soldiers' recoveries.  She never saw any 
of her courageous and well-meaning friends again.

Just thinking about this again now makes me want to do serious violence
to those who would deny the act or culpability.

By the way, the article is called "Small Comfort" by Diane Manuel and
appears in the September 13, 1992 issue of _The Boston Globe Magazine_.

Regards,

Paul Shik Lee, Jr.
plee@husc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Japan, again!  (was: four letter word title)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:10:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct15.201036.23446
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Mr. Shin wrote:

>Not sure what's so aggressive but quite true that living in the past per se 
>could be far worse.  But one needs to distinguish what to forget and what 
>to remember and how to do it for what purpose.
>Koreans look forward for future for our own good.  Period. But Koreans do 
>not forget the past because symbolisms of militaristic Japanese imperialism 
>is alive and well in Japan and *not* *being* *fully* *accounted* *for* (for 
>example, last thing was that Japanese government concluding that Japanese 
>government could not determine how 'comfort girls' were taken to their fate), 
>and forgetting past for the sake of forgetting it simple insanity.  

Mr. Mitchell Kotler responds:
>I guess that means that you have the right to hate ALL Japanese people, 
>whether they live in Japan , the U.S., or Brazil. That's right, hate them 
>all, even the ones who aren't raised in the Japanese culture and are as
>American as you.  Hate the ones who know nothing about current 
>Japanese imperialism.    You know, you're one smart dude.  

It is very hard to see the the first quote of Mr. Shin is supposed to be a
cause of Mr. Kotler's response.  As far as I can see, there is nothing in
common other than the word "japan" and "the" and "it".

The response you see above is a common technique in debating.  When someone
has different opinion, one way to corner him is by swinging his opinion all
the way out so that it will be ridiculous.  Nice try, but not very well
done in this case.  Everyone can see that the response has very little to
do with the first quote by Mr. Shin.  So, it ended up being just...

Another classical case of "jumping into conclusion."  It is even harder to
believe that the second quote (Mr. Kotler's response) came from the same
person who was promoting "peace by oblivion" a few days ago.

James Choi
From: c60b-1is@web-2d.berkeley.edu (Su Myong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: woman's fate?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 07:30:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-2d.berkeley.edu

In article <61129@mimsy.umd.edu> kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.172234.17552@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>I know & everyone knows that female is not treated farely in
>>some (?) circumstances in Korea; and as far as I'm concerned
[stuff deleted]

>I hope you were joking, sir.
...
>Do you have any idea how hard it is for a woman in Korea to find a job
>commensurate with her abilities and education?  And if she obtains one,
>how difficult it is to keep the job, or be paid and promoted on an
>equal footing to that of her male colleagues?  In addition, she will be
>bombarded by the media, relatives, friends and acquaintances as to what
>the "proper" path for a woman is, which is certainly not "depriving a
>man and his family of a living" by her taking a job that should have
>gone to some more deserving man.

This sounds pretty much like the 70's talk.. at least to me.
However, if this is the case right now in Korea, I'm not sure if I'm 
ready to be the victim.  (By the way, I'll be going back to Korea and
looking for a job in 5-6 yrs.)  

As far as I know, my parents were the ones who encouraged me to study 
computer science.  And I'm not talking about those so-called "westernized-
parents."  For instance, my parents'd get extremely annoyed if I get 
a phone call from a guy, no matter who he is and of course highschool
prom was simply beyond my reach.  :~(  

>Please think twice before judging people as "those sorry human-being
>with ill mind" when you have no idea what they have gone through, and
>what they continue to go through.

One thing for sure though, it's improving. :)

>yong-mi
>kimy@cs.umd.edu

=+= SuJeong M. =+=
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: woman's fate?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:22:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Oct13.172234.17552
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

Sneaking out of the office which doesn't honor Columbus,
I've picked up few Korean tapes (I couldn't remember the name)
but story line was O.K.

It was about 2 very close friends who dreamed of being successful
fashion designer (?).

Anyway, it was very refreshing shock to me since I alomost forgot
about the unequal treatment/behavior of male & female in Korea.

There, Mother was telling her daughter, who was a bit jealous about
the success of her single close friend, about what the happiness is for
a female - if she were my wife, I'd kick her butt out - do nothing
and settle in the household, then mumbling about WOMAN's FATE.

I know & everyone knows that female is not treated farely in
some (?) circumstances in Korea; and as far as I'm concerned
those comments by the actress do not imply those fairness stuffs
; rather, thinking over my days in Korea, now I found this was
pretty common mentality in Korean female, which I've never thought
about before.

I feel that unless this mentality of female changes, there'll
be no equal treatment - this wouldn't come easy even they want it
desperately but with this kind of attitue, no way.

In addition, as a human-being, I can stop putting my sympathy on
those sorry human-being with ill mind.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: jin@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Xuegen Jin -Luzzi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Thank You, Guys
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:02:07 GMT
Organization: LRSM, UPENN

Hi, GUys:

	Thank you all who told me the address of Korean Book Store in Philadelphia

region. I appreciate it, Dear friends: Joon-Song Lee,Junsoo Lee (are you two twins?),Wonchul Park,

Gag-Lae  Kim, and an annoymous friend from "IBM VM SMTP V2R2". Thanks a lot, guys!
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Roh visits china
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:17:05 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Oct9.001904.15230@news.cs.indiana.edu> jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suh Jung Yul) writes:
>Tibet was taken because of its strategic importance, I heard.
>Remember how strategically important Korea is to Chinese.
>It is quite possible that China could invade Korea for the same reason
>that they overran helpless Tibet 40 years ago.

Though highly speculative hypothesis of unknown future, track record China
has would not deny such a speculation for distant unknown future.  So, what 
do we going to do about it as if any thing is possible?  Shall we encourage 
N.Korea continue to develop a bomb which emits deadly force and radioactive 
particles invisible to naked eyes?  Hmmm.
From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Dual citizenship
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:25:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I want to express my thanks to several folks who sent me e-mail messages
about this thread.  As one of them pointed, I shouldn't have been personal
at last.  I'd like to apologize especially in this respect.
Thanks again for the messages.

B. Sean Kim........................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:34:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Oct12.121107.5425@udel.edu>, shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
|> In article <Oct09.225605.98314@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
|> >	THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
|> >KNOW YOUR HISTORY!    EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
|> >SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED
|> >IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS.   WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
|> >IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!   WE ARE  ALL GUILTY,
|> 
|> Mister, what do you know of living with the past?  


If you keep living with the past then you will pass down your hatred
to future generations who otherwise would not hate.  That's why the South
in the USA is so prejudice; many are living with the past . They hate "Yankees",
blacks, or any other race for that matter.  They are ignorant and ethnocentric.
Ironically, this area is known as the Bible Belt of the country, yet don't 
follow The Bible at all. Maybe you should read it one day and learn to forgive, at
least forgive those who weren't there .  Should I hate all Englishmen for the 
Revolutionary War?  Should I hate all Japanese because of WWII?  Should I
hate all Germans (I'm Jewish) for WWII?   Lighten up dude.
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Living in one's past (was Re: western culture suck shit!!)
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:06:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Oct15.183137.38974@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
Jung-gyun wrote:
>|> not forget the past because symbolisms of militaristic Japanese imperialism 
>|> is alive and well in Japan and *not* *being* *fully* *accounted* *for* (for 
>|> example, last thing was that Japanese government concluding that Japanese 
>|> government could not determine how 'comfort girls' were taken 
    to their fate), 
>
>I guess that means that you have the right to hate ALL Japanese people, 
>whether they live in Japan , the U.S., or Brazil. That's right, hate them 
>all, even the ones who aren't raised in the Japanese culture and are as
>American as you.  Hate the ones who know nothing about current 
>Japanese imperialism.    You know, you're one smart dude.  

While Jung-gyun is known to feel strongly about the Japanese
government's lack of willingness to apologize and redress the
comfort girls it drafted in WWII, I do not think he hates all Japanese.

He has repeatedly said that his anger is directed against the Japanese
government policies and lack of honesty and courage in dealing with
the issue. Many of the comfort girls are still alive, and they do
deserve more than they have received from the Japanese government
so far. 

Koreans do have alot of ill feelings about what the Japanese
government did to us 50 years ago.  But I think I speak for
quite a number of us in saying that we do not intend to hold
grudges forever once these issues are resolved. What we ask
is nothing more than acknowledgement and sincerity that can
be expressed by some form of compensation.

The Japanese government does a disservice to its citizens
many of whom are honorable and courageous when they continue
to lie with statements such as "there is no evidence that the government
was involved".

You can't outgrow your past by forgetting it. You have to
face up to it, and resolve it.
-Han
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:14:31 GMT

In article <Oct16.203422.25246@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
[...]
>Should I hate all Germans (I'm Jewish) for WWII?   Lighten up dude.

Whoever said Korean hates all Japanese?  You keep on swinging and twisting
the argument.  You seem to have some difficulty in reading comprehension.
After reading all those statements that separate the government from the
people, you come right back with the same rhetoric.  Are you a political
science major, by chance?

Let me ask you these questions.

1.  How is your fondless level toward Hitler?
2.  How many close skinhead friends do you have?  Do you forgive skinheads
    and accept their actions and ideals?
3.  What would have been your verdict if you were one of the juries in
    the Rodney King's trial.

Korean people do not have much prejudice against Japanese on individual
basis.  All Japanese I have personally met were very pleasant, attractive
and trustworthy.  Most Koreans love Japanese products.  Even those who hate
Japanese products say so inside their Honda playing Sony radio.  But their
goverment is another story.  Basically, it is a continuation of the
imperial Japan.  Your feeling toward Germany would have been different if
Hitler, or his successor, was still in power.

It is very hard to lighten up when the other side insist on remaining in
the dark.

Next time your car gets stolen, just tell yourself.  "The theft happened in
the past time frame.  Why bother calling police and make myself unhappy?  I
will lighten up and live happily.  Only petty men will try to recover the
car and try to be compensated by the insurance company.  I, the person with
a grander view, will just forget about this recent past and live on until
the next theft.  But then, I can lighten up again.  Aha, this is how you
live happily ever after."

Please do not come back and say "so you hate ALL...." stuff again.  And if
you think you were offended by my remarks, lighten up!

unlightened-up James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Roh visits china
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:43:05 GMT

In article <81283@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
> 
>  Here is my point: National pride is one of good things. However, any
>accusation or allegation should  supply  understandable reasons
> if you do not want to be viewed as a blind nationalist.
>  You(Mr. Suh) jumped into the  conclusion that Roh
>was greeted by only "lower" level TRADE minister because of their imperia
>lism or looking down "tiny" countries.  However, I read a thread from
>soc.culture.taiwan saying that China had stopped reception ceremony at
>the airport long time ago regardless quest country and instead they give
>it in the Tiananman Square(?sp) or other places. In addition, in china,
>usually, Foreign minister(or  ?? vice primister) welcomes the foreign VIP
>at the airport but this time, the responsible minister was visiting
>Japan.  That's why Roh was greeted by Trade Minister. This thread was
>written by a netter from mainland china.   I have no position either to
>support Roh's visit or to hate it. However, at the same moment, your
>hasty allegation may be another reflection of defeatism or self-denial.
>Have a nice day.    Byungtae Lee.

All you said are correct. The fact is the Chinese foreign minister was in
UN at that time. A welcoming ceremony was later hold in front of The
People's Grand Hall by Chinese president Yang Shangkun.
From: peterp@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Japanese Koreans/ Koreans in Japan/info wanted
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:27:33 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


  I am writing a resurch(sp) project on Koreans in Japan/Japanese koreans
but I am have a difficult time getting any curent info on this particular(sp)
subject.  Basiclly I have only found a few articles, if any one has any info
that might be of help, I would greatly apreciate(sp) it.
  thanks P.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shk@moscow.uucp (25181-kim)
Subject: Job Opportunity
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: nj ny
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:03:15 GMT
Keywords: HANJIN CS-Major

*** JOB OPPORTUNITY for CS GRADUATES (or SENIORS) ***

A friend of mine at HANJIN is looking for a
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If interested, please send me an e-mail or
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