From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:11:24 GMT

vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.124147.2437@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>|> In article <5598@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>|> >
>|> >It's an insult to a great player that people keep this "Bird would have
>|> >been a nobody if he wasn't white" crap going on.
>|> >
>|> >I look at it this way: if you had to show a 5 second clip to capture the
>|> >essence of Bird, Magic, and Jordan the Jordan clip would be a slam,
>|> >the Bird and Magic clips would be amazing no-look passes to teammates.
>|> >And I think THAT says it all.
>|> >
>|> >	-MSM
>|> 
>|> Give me four clips to sum up Michael Jordan...
>|> 
>|> Clip one:  During a game at Utah, Jordan forces a switch to get Stockton on 

>oooh... powerhouse Mel. How impressive. Perhaps we should ignore all the
>in-your-face plays Magic did throughout his NBA career.



>|> Clip two:  Jordan goes into the lane looking for a dunk during the Knicks-

>Wow. Mike made a nice play. That's not unheard of. I suppose a nice play by
>Bird and Magic IS unheard of?



>|> Clip three:  Patrick Ewing gets the ball in the low post (some time during 

>It's a good thing Magic never blocked any shots. He may have been worthy to
>pray at the Jordan statue they will surely put to cover up his square foot
>of wall space at the HOF. And I suppose they should get another one to cover
>up the meager space Bird will get too.



>|> Clip four:  Game One, Championship series vs. the Blazers.  After making

>The ability to hit 3-ptrs. Good thing Bird didn't have that. Otherwise,
>Protland would have lost that great game in the regular season... Oh Wait!
>They DID lose the game. Hmmmmm.....



>|> Purely poetic.
>|> 
>|> Obviously everyone has their own opinion about who the greatest player is,
>|> and my vote goes to Jordan.
>|> 
>|> As for quotes, how about these...
>|> 
>|> Bird, "Michael Jordan is God disguised as a basketball player."
>|> 
>|> Magic (in response to Arsenio Hall's question, "Who is the greatest 
>|> basketball player you have ever seen?"):  "Michael, Michael, Michael."
>|> 
>|> IMHO, we won't EVER see another Michael, Larry, or Magic (just like we
>|> haven't seen another Wilt, Kareem, Oscar R., Jerry W., etc...).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
>|> Bell Northern Research, Inc.

>Oh please. Just because you found 4 great plays by Jordan? There are a million
>of them out there by Bird and Magic... Oh, but wait... they don't count.
>True, you are intitled to your opinion, but I don't see anywhere that you 
>point out WHY Jordan is better than Bird. Personally, I think all 3 are great,
>and considering that they all play differently and that some are better than
>others in various areas (Jordan in inside scoring, Bird and Magic in the passing,
>Bird in the 3 ptrs., etc....), there's no clear cut one is better than the other,
>and 4 little clips that can be countered with 4 clips from Magic and 4 clips 
>from Bird aren't gonna do it. Fine...your opinion is Mike... but don't 
>belittle Bird`s or Magic's accomplishments by brushing them off. They deserve
>the credit that they earned, and (not directed toward you), I am sick of
>hearing people say that Larry would have been a nobody had he been white,
>and I am sick of hearing people say Magic and Bird got lucky by entering
>the NBa when they did or they would never have been legends. Perhaps you
>should go back to the 80's and watch these two play before making these
>statements... 

>-- Venk --


Granted, Venk, I haven't been following this thread religiously, but I
feel you come out a bit strong in your criticism. As you state, Andrew
is entitled to his opinion. But, I don't see that he's belittling Bird or
Johnson to lift up Jordan.

I read Andrew's letter explaining what describes Michael Jordan (as far
as film clips go.)

THEN.,....THEN....he goes on to say (as I have 'underlined' above), 'we
won't EVER see another Michael, Larry, or Magic...etc


So...Venk, please tell us your 4 clips of Magic or Bird. I would be
interested in hearing them. Regardless of my opinion who is the best
ball player ever.

Finally, Venk, if you are going to rant and rave against another person
for racist remarks or for something else he said, please include the
statement attributing it to that person very clearly (your note did not)
otherwise you might offend people by your apparently misguided retort.
[I'll just assume you are having a bad day.] (It appears to me that
Andrew didn't belittle Bird and Johnson, or make racist remarks...at
least in his most recent note. If he did, accept my apologies, Venk)

Cheers....

Mike
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