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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: (rhythmic)
Summary: a few items I haven't seen mentioned
Keywords: gymnastics?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.180343.748@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok) writes (in part):
>In article <Bsq7Lz.3C9@chinet.chi.il.us> katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
>>I think the fact that this sport uses items called "balls, ribbons, clubs
>>and hoops" makes a lot of people thing it's a really frou frou thing
>
>Just a quick comment here.  Ribbons were not used in the Olympics, a simple
>rope was.  I have seen the ribbon event in other rhythmic competitions, and
>do not know why it was not included here.  I believe there may be another
>event as well which was not included in the Olympics, but I can't recall
>what it was.  (The rope event is not just a variant of the ribbon event, it
>is a completely different event, with lots of emphasis on jumping it, etc.)

The reason ribbon was not included in Barcelona is because the sport's 
governing body selects the four events used each year, so one apparatus is 
always eliminated.  Clubs weren't used in the '84 Olympics (the first year 
rhythmic was included), I can't recall what was elimiated in Seoul.

A little more about rythmic.  Many years ago, this was the form considered 
"gymnastics" in much of Europe.  As a matter of fact, I think there were group 
events as well - eights (akin, perhaps, to what synchronized swimming 
competitions will be like in '96).  I recall one such exhibition group from 
Sweden that toured the US back in the early 60's (old "Ed Sullivan Shows" come 
to mind) - they used balls.

To comment on another posting...  Although there appears to be less "complex 
tumbling" in rythmic, I noticed a greater emphasis on flexibility in the 
gymnasts I saw compete (and I haven't watched all my tapes yet!).

Just some thoughts, hopefully useful...
Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: gsl@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Geoff Lamb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: IOC has been sold
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:57:44 GMT
Organization: CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Melbourne, Australia

>In article <134373@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
> In article <25@hymir.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> gsl@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Geoff Lamb) writes:
> 
> I have heard that Sydney is among the top candidates for the 2000 games,
> which should make you happy.
> 
> Ed
> ed@wente.llnl.gov


I would have been happier if Melbourne got the 96 games. Melbourne's bid had
everything going for it. Most people in Australia thought that the opposition
was going to come from Athens. 

..........But in stepped Coca-Cola with their big cheque book.

Geoff

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From: worden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (elizabeth worden)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:55:22 GMT

In article <BsznuJ.GvI@cs.dal.ca> dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) writes:
>>A friend eats a REALLY low-fat diet (those muffins he makes are totally 
>>inedible - my girlfriend called them "meadow muffins") but his cholesterol
>>is higher than mine.                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>
>I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Nova Scotia meadow
>muffins would not be very healthy to eat.  I think they are commonly
>referred to elsewhere in the world as "cow-patties" :)
>
Surely, you have heard of the song by U. Utah Phillips entitled
Moose Turd Pie?   Related to Meadow Muffins?
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: NBC wimps out on closing ceremony coverage
Summary: the award
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.000736.2996@panix.com> tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander) writes (in part):
>They also screwed up at least one translation.  Not that my Spanish is
>so wonderful, but I know that the gold chain which Samaranch gave to the
>mayor of Barcelona (and head of their Olympic committee) is the Olympic
>Order of Gold, and that's what he was saying, not "naming him the 
>Olympic mayor."  (The same award was given to Peter Ueberroth, Jean-
>Claude Killy and his co-chair, and probably someone in Seoul and Calgary,
>too.)

I believe the award in question is called (as I remember from LA) The Order 
of the Olympic Rings; said to be the IOC's highest award.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com

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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Address request
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:50:25 GMT

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my request, esp.
Rachele Harless, who rushed the addresses to me only hours
after I posted it. If anyone is interested, there's now at
least one other person on the Net (namely me) who would be
happy to forward those addresses to you.

Steve
--
You are a true believer. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses.
Thou art a subject of the divine, created in the image of man by the masses,
for the masses. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work 
hard...increase production...prevent accidents...and be happy. (THX-1138)
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From: ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer)
Subject: Re: Olympic Pins
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:04:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.142605.29805@ncsu.edu>, bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT
COLE PERRY) wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know how many people have posted articles in reference to Olympic pins
> (I just got back to NCSU), but I am trying to start a collection, and the only
> ones that I have been able to get are the ones from Phar-Mor.  So, if anyone
> out there has any info, PLEASE e-mail me or post it.  It would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Brent


I have been collecting Olympic pins for 8 years and would be interested in
trading/selling/buying them.

I have many pins from 1992 and some from 1988 and 1984 for trade or sale. 
I also have come upon several Soviet pins from 1980 and previous Olympics.
If you are interested, send me your land mail address and I'll send you a
list. 

If you have particular interests, let me know and I'll see what I can find
for you.
 
Happy collecting,
Larry Ehmer
ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: american diver
Summary: more about the disaster dive
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:55:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.111004.29114@ugle.unit.no> oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland) writes (in part):
>In  <1992Aug12.102523.3951@kth.se> Tord Malmgren writes:
>
>> could anybody fill me in about his diver who just "lost" the grip of one
>> of his knees and just fell on his back into the water, and got real red??
>
>The diver was Matthew Scoogin and he was one of the favorites in this event. 
>
>> did he do that on purpose as some kind of protest or did he actually loose
>> his grip (which seems like an extremly unlikly thing to happen) ??
>
>I don't know his intention, but I find it very unlikely that he did it 
>on purpose. In that case, it would have been a highly risky and ascetic 
>form for protest. I think he actually lost his grip.

Yes, Scoggin lost his grip.  He later said that once he realized he was out of 
control, he simply wanted to avoid landing on his side; which could've 
punctured his eardrum.  It was later reported that he had strained either his 
ribs or lung (can't remember which was affected).

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
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From: mit@b30news.ingr.com (Timothy A. Turner)
Subject: Whatizit
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:55:27 GMT

Seems Atlanta is buying, literally, into the 96 mascot idea.
The t-shirts have been out about a week and the little creature
is outselling any previous t-shirts offered. The mascot will
also appear on some limited number of commemorative Coke cans
about the time the Olympic flag arrives later this month.
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: 60 m dash
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:40:47 GMT

In article <keaN6Ke00UhW878wQB@andrew.cmu.edu> Sunil Saha Roy <sr2h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes (in part):
>
>I would like to know whether there is an official 60 m race in the world
>and what are the records. Somebody mentioned that the records are much
>better than 100 m i.e.  if you compare the time per meter.  I would also
>like to know if there are other races less than 100 m dash.

There is a race shorter than 100m run at indoor track meets (generally held 
during the winter months).  I believe it's 60m or 55 yds (the latter in the 
U.S. of course).  I'll leave it to others to supply records...

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympic Marathon Trivia
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep1.181511.18054
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21



The AAU (at that time, the US authority in track and field) then banned Lorz
from further marathons for life, but later reinstated him. He won the '05
Boston Marathon legitimately.
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: '72 Massacre
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:43:05 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <Bt4yJp.BID@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
> perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:
> 
> >In article <BsMs1B.5JC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
> >> The piece was indeed slanted in favor of israel fo the most part, but

> >Yeah, I see your point.  It was all the Israeli's fault.
> 
> I fail to see where I said anything about the hostage incident being Israel's fault.
> What prompted that response??

The line I cited.  "The piece was indeed slanted in favor of israel fo
the most part...".  It bothered me that you could consider a piece
about innocent victims being tortured and killed by heartless zealots
to be "slanted" in favor of the victims.  I suppose the next thing you
know someone will say that the '72 massacre never happened, just like
the Holocaust.

Please excuse my bile.  If you have a specific reason why you think
there were any inaccuracies in the NBC report I would like to know what
they were.  In the absence of any supporting details I found your
statement to be provocative.  There's too much antisemitism out there
to let a statement like that go unchallenged.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{murphy | philabs}!dwrsun4!perl
	-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"
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From: nittmo@buhub.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Re: Olympic Marathon Trivia
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 03:27:53 GMT

In <1992Aug27.181402.13272@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rleite@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Randy W Leite) writes:

>During the Barcelona Olympics, NBC broadcast a story about a runner who 
>originally won a gold medal in the marathon only to have it taken away when it 
>was discovered he rode part of the distance in a car.  I remember the story but
>cannot remember the name of the runner, the year of the Olympics or other 
>details.  Can anyone provide me with pertinent information?

I believe you are talking about the 1904 Olympic Marathon in St. Louis,
Missouri.  The marathon was held on a very hot and humid (imagine that in 
St. Louis!) summer day and part way through the race an American runner
named Fred Lorz (I think that's the right name) had to drop out because he
was fatigued from the heat.  Since he was a few miles from the stadium and
too tired to walk back, he hitched a ride in a car and headed back towards
the Olympic stadium.  Well, these were the early days of automobiles, and
as happened quite often, the one Lorz was riding in broke down a short 
distance from the stadium.  By this time Lorz was feeling refreshed and
decided to run the rest of the way back to the stadium so he could pick up
his things.  The fans sat impatiently in the stands waiting for someone to
finally arrive, and when they saw Lorz come running in they thought he was
the first place runner.  Lorz would say later that he didn't originally mean
to play a joke on the officials, but with the crowd reaction and all he
decided to go along with the hoax.  Unfortunately this almost prevented 
officials from tending to the real first place winner (Thomas Hicks of the
United States)--who was very spent from running in the heat and humidity and
in desparate need of medical attention after he crossed the finish line.
Eventually someone stepped forward to claim that Lorz had ridden part of
the course in a car and the officials disqualified him and gave the gold
medal to the rightful winner (Hicks).  The conditions were so bad that day
that Hicks' winning time was somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 and a half
hours.

    




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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Closing ceremony
Summary: US Flag bearer
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:29:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.061042.26580@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes (in part):
>I don't know if somebody out there watched the closing ceremony,
>but I'd like to know who carried the flag for SWEDEN ??
>
>Also, who did for the USA ?

In case you hadn't heard by now, the US flag was carried by fencer Peter 
Westbrook.  Sorry, but I couldn't tell, nor heard, who carried Sweden's.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
Finally with some time to post, albeit late.  Just went back to work last week.

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From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: Manchester in 2000
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 02:09:23 GMT

marks@cs.man.ac.uk (Mark Stephens (MSc Stephen Furber)) writes:
: 
: Manchester in the north west of England is in the running for the games in
: 2000. What do people think of its chances against Sydney and the other
: contenders.

Well, you Northern-hemispherians have had it almost exclusively. How about
holding them below the equator for a change? ...I don't think Manchester,
Beijing (or Sydney, for that matter) has the money to "influence" the
location like Atlanta (flame me if you like), so what's the criteria for
next year's decision?  ..Ozone holes, or other crap?
No matter which city gets it, lets hope we can come up with a better mascot
than that 'Cokeizit' thing. If I were an Atlantean, I'd be downright ashamed.

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: What is your network showing?
Summary: Re opening titles
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:14:13 GMT

Hope this hasn't been addressed already...
In article <1992Aug10.023043.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes (in part):
>Also, I am also wondering which nations carry the official RTO opening titles
>for the Olympics...  If you do not know which ones I am talking about, I will
>describe them to you.
>
>It starts with a view on water, which ripples, and forms a mosaic form of the
>design of Gaude's incomplete cathedral, which then forms a *nude* athlete
>(no "wobbly bits" as the Brits would say).  Then a procession of sports are
>faded into using mosaic fade-ups, including swimming, boxing, judo,
>gymnastics, cycling, volleyball, archery, rowing, etc.  Finally it has a
>fade to a diver, who dives in the water, and an underwater shot showing the
>entry changes into the International Broadcasting Tower, and then that forms
>into the cauldron and olympic flames.  This then forms into the COOB Logo and
>the Olympic Rings (see below, hehehe).
>
>So, does NBC use this at the beginning of it's broadcasts (maybe after some
>NBC Sports opening titles) or not?
>
>Maybe, like in Australia, NBC Sports puts the peacock over the logo and rings
>at the end of this exceptional set of RTO titles?
>
>Anyway, I think the RTO titles are brilliant, both on a technical and viewing
>level.

NBC didn't use this set of titles for its broadcasts, but I think Triplecast 
used part of this when going from the studio to an actual event.  If I recall 
correctly, this sequence began with the nude athlete, ending with the 
Triplecast logo, then moved onto what appeared to be the RTO version of opening 
titles featuring the name of the event and venue.

Does this sound familiar to any of the (few) other Triplecast viewers?
Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: IOC has been sold
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:16:57 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <25@hymir.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> gsl@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Geoff Lamb) writes:
>By 1996 4 of the previous 8 Olympics will have been held in North America
>     Mexico - 68
>     Montreal - 72
>     Los Angeles - 84
>     Coca-Cola City (Sorry Atlanta) - 96

There are a couple of factors that occured here.  First, Montreal
(which hosted in 1976, not 1972) was chosen as a compromise between
Moscow and Los Angeles.  Second, Los Angeles was the ONLY city to
bid on the 1984 games.

I have heard that Sydney is among the top candidates for the 2000 games,
which should make you happy.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Triplecast review
Summary: about Marty Liquori...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.084252.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jroberts@vax1.umkc.edu writes (in 
part):
>I was one of the few people in this country who had access to pay-per-view
>during the Summer Olympics.  It seemed as though I was the only one who had it.  
I guess you could call us "the few, the proud..."   ;-)

>Being able to see every heat of the sprints was great...  
>The only
>time I preferred watching the NBC telecast was during the day of the relays.  I
>wanted to hear Tom Hammond's play-by-play call of the action because I knew he
>would put some excitement and suspence into the relays.  Marty Liquori sounded
>very boring.  Although it's good for broadcasters to display non-biased
>opinions, he didn't seem to care about the outcome of the relays, not knowing
>that a few world records could have been set.  I understand his actions,
>though.  After doing about eighty hours of Triplecast broadcasting, I'd be too
>tired to show a little excitement, too----NOT!!!

Well...although I didn't catch Liquori during the relays you mentioned, I did 
catch his commentary during some of the other events.  Although he seems to be 
naturally low-keyed (having heard him in past years), he can get a little 
excited - it's just not as easy to pick up.  For instance, there were several 
moments during the walking competition where he and Frank Shorter were 
constantly pointing out violations that appeared to be getting by the judges.
(Never having watched a walking event seriously - most TV coverage concentrates 
only on the beginning and the end, if that - I found this fascinating.)

Another reason why Liquori might not appear too excited about relays is simply 
because they're not his specialty.  For those who don't know, Marty was a 
world-class middle distance runner for Villanova during the 60s.

>Overall, it was great coverage.  If I had it to do it all over again, I would.

As I mentioned earlier, we vacillated for some time over ordering Triplecast; 
and it was the doctor telling me I'd have to be home at least two weeks longer 
than anticipated that sent us to the phone.  Given NBC's coverage, we're glad 
we did.  Chances are probably good we'd do it again.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com.
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Wrestling Questions
Summary: An attempt to explain differences
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:35:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.111809.2098@vixvax.mgi.com> eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes (in part):
>What's the difference between Freestyle wrestling and Greco-Roman?  Also, why
>wouldn't that Russian monster Kirilin do the Freestyle wrestling too?  Have
>you seen this beast?  

To put it simply, Greco-Roman style only permits holds, etc. above the 
waist - no leg holds allowed.  As for the fellow from Siberia, yes he does 
look like quite a monster.  Perhaps it's his grizzly look, along with his 
massive upper-body strength, that probably gives him that "extra" advantage 
in Greco-Roman, which would be a bit diminished in Freestyle.

Just a guess...
Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: lmm@cis.ksu.edu (ATT Larry M. McWilliams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Wallyball
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:24:44 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu
Summary: Rules for Wallyball
Keywords: Wallyball, racquetball, volleyball

I played a game awhile back called Wallyball and loved it,
It was a lot of fun.  Wallyball is played in a racquetball 
court with a net in the middle and a special nerf-like ball.
2-4 people per side.  It's a lot like volleyball, but playing
off the walls is part of the game.

Is there any official rules for this sport? Where can a person
order equipment?  I understand that it is possible to get
a net that uses suction-cups to connect to the wall.  This
way it doesn't disturb the racquetball court.

Thanks for any help you can give me. 

Larry McWilliams
l.m.mcwilliams@att.com


-- 
Larry McWilliams, dept 0305
AT&T Network Systems
PO BOX 26060
Oklahoma City, OK 73126
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From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: BOXING TONIGHT!
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:24:13 GMT

USA NETWORK 8:00 Central
"Terrible Tim Witherspoon vs. Tony Willis 
Alex "The destroyer" Stewart vs. Marshall Tillman



The title should actually read
Alex "Ive made more money as an opponent than you'll ever make" Stewart 

"Terribly Unmotivated" Tim Witherspoon
From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: USA results
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:29:04 GMT

Tim Witherspoon W10  Tony Wills
Alex Stewart KO10  Marshall Tillman
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From: jkokko@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Kokko)
Subject: Re: Billiards/Pool
Reply-To: jkokko@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Kokko)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:08:01 GMT

Yes here I am, the other guy in the world that plays pool.

Actually I am posting a RFD (request for discussion) in news.groups
that anyone can follow-up to. This RFD is  about creating a group on
billiards (no, there isn't one!).



-- 
/jkokko // Email: Jari.Kokko@hut.fi
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From: watkins@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Catherine Watkins)
Subject: OAKLAND ATHLETIC CLUB MEMBERSHIPS FOR SALE!
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:28:51 GMT

I am selling two Oakland Athletic Club Memberships. It's a great club and very
complete (weights, nautilus, stairmaster, swimming pool, basketball, raquetball
and more). If you're interested ask for a free tour of the facility at 1418
Webster Street in Oakland. 

I am selling one membership for $100 or both for $150 (originally $300 for 
both).  The monthly fees are $65/month.

If you would like to buy one or both, please send e-mail to: 
watkins@icsi.berkeley.edu

Catherine Watkins
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