HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: viznyuk@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:36:32 GMT

In article <C1BwEw.Fw2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>
>It is true that there are places in US where one will have his
>brain damaged with a very high probability.  However, it is also
>true that people in general know which places should be avoided,
>and  also know that by sticking to other places they can feel pretty safe.
>From stories that I hear, in Moscow, for example, one does
>not have safer places, because one could be "approached" anywhere
>and at any time.

 I used to go to work at our lab in Moscow at about
11am and return at about midnight _every working day_
during four years. It involved walking three blocks
to bus stop by Vavilov street, then riding a bus
for 45 minutes by _very dark alleys_ in Oktiabr'skii
and Sevastopolskii districts. Not a single time
I experienced any kind of "approach" you mentioned
above. However when I happened to be at nights in
Medvedkovo, I usually was wary, because some of
my friends were assaulted there..
  When I came to US, either by naiveness, or carelessness,
I tried to live by the same schedule here: rented an
apartment near campus, and enjoyed walking by nights...
until on the second or third week I met four blacks..
Well, at least now my wife is happier: I'm spending
evenings with her since then.. Though in Moscow
the situation maybe no different now.. I have
heard that only for the last half a year, more
than 10,000 Azerbajdzhanis moved to Moscow from
their independent homeland. Naturally, the
crime went up immeduately..

Serega
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Tsipliat po oseni schitayut ...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:05:35 GMT



	There is a Russian saying: tsipliat po oseni schitayut.
(count the chicks in autumn). I recently got a message from home
with a modification of this Russian saying: Tsipliat po oseni schitayut,
A Armian po vesne. (count the chicks in autumn, and count the Armenians
in spring).

	These folks are incredible. Under these conditions they are still
joking and making up funny stories about themselves.
From: THEGARTY@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Moldova
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

What is currently happening in Moldova? It has disappeared from the news.

Thomas Hegarty, U. of Tampa,THEGARTY@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:44:28 CST
From: ---  BORYS  --- <U52539@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ukraine,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Availability of Phone/address directories in CIS



     Now that the CIS are taking certain things into there own hands
has anyone heard of any efforts to make certain lists (i.e. simple
phonebooks) publically accessible?

     People in the U.S. take things like the telephone books and telephone
operators who will give out addresses for granted.  From what I understand
such things were not available, much less thought of as appropriate in the
ex-SU.  Have maps of cities become available?

    Aside from the lack of paper supplies to print up such directories
has anything been heard?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           --------  __O/        Borys Bodnaruk
        ---------- _'<,_              u52539@uicvm.uic.edu
   -------------  (*)/ (*)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:32:12 EST
From: Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Need help on Odessa addresses!

In article <1993Jan24.195645.4222@socrates.umd.edu>, okner@socrates.umd.edu
(Benjamin Okner) says:
>
>I am trying to locate someone in Odessa who has Internet access to aid me
>in locating a relative.  In response to an earlier posting, I got a
>listing of Internet address in xSU.  I searched the list for Odessa
>addresses and sent a message to 5 Odessa internet addresses.  These were:
>
>        postmaster@iitc.odessa.ua
>        postmaster@otb.odessa.ua
>        postmaster@cc.opi.odessa.ua
>        postmaster@ics.odessa.ua
>        postmaster@trhod.odessa.ua
>
>Each message was returned almost immediately with "Returned mail: User
>unknown"
>
To address mail to RELCOM sites you must remember that it is relayed through
Finland, and you should tell this to mailer. It is done easily by '%' method.
For example to send post to postmaster@ics.odessa.ua you must just type
in the From:_line: postmaster%ics.odessa.ua@relay.ussr.eu.net.

The general rule of conversion is:
1) change @ to %
2) add @relay.ussr.eu.net (this is address of the relay site)

And try root or admin instead of postmaster.

Good luck

-Boris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alexei Strouwe)
Subject: Re: HOBOCTu u3 MuPA CADuCTCKuX CTuXOB
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:03:43 GMT

In article <1jmmg6INN83p@DESCARTES.MATH.YALE.EDU>  
kleinbock-dmitry@math.yale.edu (Dmitry Kleinbock) writes:
|>    Waw, looks like the world of sadist verses is invaded by the bright
|> forces of democracy, humanism and disarmament. And now more news: the
|> Congress of Sadist Verses' Deputies decided to perform the ideological
|> purge of the population. I can imagine the creation of the following
|> masterpieces:
|> 
|>         Malen'kii mal'chik nashel pulemet,
|>         Zhalko, patronov nikak ne naidet.
|> 
|> 		* * * 
|> 
|> 	Mal'chik neitronnuyu bombu nashel,
|> 	S etoi igrushkoi on v shkolu prishel. 
|> 	No voenruk eto videl v okno,
|> 	Bombu zabral i otnes v gorono.
|> 
|>------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> >           vvs @ office.relcom.msk.su       sOROKIN wALERA         
|> >           ----------------------------------------------------
|> >-- 
|> >Vlad Soukhanovsky                            ,-_|\  A MARVELOUS LAND  
OF
|> >phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au                     /     \  KOALAS,  
KANGAROOS,
|> >                                            \_,-._/   WOMBATS,  
EUCHIDNAS
|> >                                                 v     and PLATYPUSES.  
|> 
|> 
|>    Keep us posted about perestroika in Sadist Verses World.
|> 
|> -- 
|>       /|  |\  /|\
|>      / | /| \/ |_\                  kleinboc@pascal.math.yale.edu
|>     /_ |/ |    |  \
|>    `   '

         Dochka u mamy prosila konfetku.
         Mama skazala, -- Sun' pal'chik v rozetku!
         -- Sdelaiu eto - mne budet pizdets.
         "Umnyi rebionok." - podumal otets.

Alexei
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moya militsya menya berezhyot (Was: Crime and punishment/CH(G
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:24:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <106643@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

>  My friend also told me that when he came back from the US
>  and had a US driver license he discovered that it's much
>  cheaper to drive without any license than to show an American
>  one. 

BTW, here the Soviet driver's license (especially one in Russian) may
prove very helpful. U show it 2 the cop who is going 2 write U a
speeding ticket and start talking about politics or the I-have-just-
arrived-in-your-marvelous-country stuff. Sometimes it helps the cop 2
4give U the violation. Usually they are not mean here, and feel 
pity 2 a stranger.


-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alexei Strouwe)
Subject: Re: registered mail (was Re: ewe ne ...)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:31:20 GMT


Of course, the story about $100 was just a joke. Nobody reads  
the mail, they are just looking for money in envelopes.

The registered mail is usually delivered by pony express. I used  
it couple of times, but the letters got through in about 2  
months. 

In my opinion, the best way to send mail is International  
Express. It is not so expensive as FedExp and works the same in  
Russia. If the destination is not Moscow, then post clerks  
usually put it in another "domestic looking" envelope and mail  
it inside Russia by registered mail. There is a small  
probability for the package to be lost or stolen, but it works  
fine so far. I usually send about 20 letters in one envelope to  
a friend of mine and ask him to mail them. As you see the method  
is too complicated, but it works (t'fu-t'fu-t'fu) and it doesn't  
take so long. Last time I mailed a package on January 5 and it  
took only 9 days. I even send some tapes and 
floppy disks. By the way, if you send 20 letters and pay for it
20 bucks, it is not so bad. Moreover, you can share the cost  
with some other people.

Good luck.

Alexei



--
When I tell any Truth it is not for the sake of convincing those
who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those who do.
         
	                                         WILLIAM BLAKE
From: vadik@savoir.cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:26:59 GMT
Organization: umd.edu
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: savoir.cs.umd.edu

In article <ALEXEEV.93Jan22220306@solitude.math.utah.edu>, alexeev@math.utah.edu (Valery A. Alexeev) writes:
|> On 23 Jan 93 01:13:52 GMT, pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) adds:
|> 
|> > (didinsky garry) writes:
|> >>Can anyone express personal impressions/comparisons of individual safety in 
|> >>Russia and US?
|> >>
|> 
|> > And I can bet that there is no place half as scary even in the most
|> > dreaded prison camp zone cities of Siberia (e.g. Boguchansk) as
|> > Williamsburg in NYC.
|> 
|> Brutal destiny has brought me to Utah and, hey, this is THE safest on
|> Earth. Don't lock the door, leave keys in a keyhole outside -- in
|> vain, nothing will happen. Once I left my wallet with money and credit
|> cards in the carwash, what do you think, the same evening someone
|> called me up and returned it. Recently there was a TV story about a
|> madman who killed someone in the nearby Logan. The fact that called my
|> attention: that was the first killing in the city in _7 years_.
|> 
|> I never felt that safe anywhere in the SU (certainly not in Chechnya -
|> brrr) even in the golden years of the well developed socialism.
|> 
|> So, you have to know places.

Then come to DC at night, walk around for couple hours and
get your brains blown away by some mad gunman/drug dealer.
Or get your car hi-jacked and/or your brains still blown away.
One or two killings happen in DC almost every day.
And, just think of it, DC population is about 200,000.

As I remember, in Moscow killings didn't happen every day,
and it has 10 million population. So next follows trivia
question: where do you have more chances to `kick the bucket',
in Moscow or in DC area?

However, crime, as well as democracy, is on the rise at Moscow.
So I can imagine that at some point in the future crime level
will reach that of American cities.


Vadim Maslov.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:42:32 GMT

vadik@savoir.cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov) writes:

>Then come to DC at night, walk around for couple hours and
>get your brains blown away by some mad gunman/drug dealer.
>Or get your car hi-jacked and/or your brains still blown away.
>One or two killings happen in DC almost every day.
>And, just think of it, DC population is about 200,000.

>As I remember, in Moscow killings didn't happen every day,
>and it has 10 million population. So next follows trivia
>question: where do you have more chances to `kick the bucket',
>in Moscow or in DC area?

>However, crime, as well as democracy, is on the rise at Moscow.
>So I can imagine that at some point in the future crime level
>will reach that of American cities.

It is true that there are places in US where one will have his
brain damaged with a very high probability.  However, it is also
true that people in general know which places should be avoided,
and  also know that by sticking to other places they can feel pretty safe.
From stories that I hear, in Moscow, for example, one does
not have safer places, because one could be "approached" anywhere
and at any time.

So let's restate earlier question, given that you are a person with a reasonable
knowledge of your surroundings, where would you feel safer in NYC or in
Moscow?

---Garik.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:12501 talk.politics.soviet:10818 soc.culture.misc:607
From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.misc
Subject: Re: Ignorants from Kiev follow ignorants from Tallinn
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:39:29 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <93027.100308BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu (Boris A. Veytsman) writes:
>Dear netters!  We must counter-attack!  Let the American netters write to
>their Congressmen urging them to pass a law on Ukrainian spelling and
>prononciation!  The Ukrainians must say and write 'state [TEksas]',
>'[KhAdsonova protoka]', 'state [MishIgen]' etc!  Let the British netters
>urge their Parliament and Queen!  The Ukrainians must say and write '[Landn,
>yakyy ye stolytsya Inglendu]'!  Dear French, Austrian, Italian and Portugal
>netters!  Would not it be pleasant for you to hear [Pari, Vin, Rom, Lizhbon]
>from a passing-by Ukrainian?

Why bother?  We don't call cities by their correct names anyway.

In American English:

Paris has the last letter pronounced.  
Firenza, Italy is Florence.
Moskva, Russia is Moscow.
Bareleen, Germany is Berlin.
Roma, Italy is Rome.
Lisboa, Portugal is Lisbon.
El-Kaheer, Egypt is Cairo.
And some seaport town in Syria is called Aleppo, and is nothing close to that
in Syria.

-- 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -->     David Esan      de@moscom.com  
 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: vadik@savoir.cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:35:30 GMT
Organization: umd.edu
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: savoir.cs.umd.edu

In article <93025.101308BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>, Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> In article <1jsd73INNqf@haven.umd.edu>, vadik@savoir.cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
|> says:
|> >
|> >As I remember, in Moscow killings didn't happen every day,
|> >and it has 10 million population. So next follows trivia
|> >question: where do you have more chances to `kick the bucket',
|> >in Moscow or in DC area?
|> >
|> >
|> I think Vadim's data are incorrect. A friend of mine is a Dept. head
|> in the Odessa local newspaper. For several years they publish the
|> column 'Crime Situation Yesterday' using Militia info (just from the
|> time it was de-classified). You see, Odessa has 1,000,000 populace, and
|> crime level there is approx the same as in Moscow.

Well, my data may be inexact, but idead seems to be right. I mean, I tried to say
that homicide rate at DC per head of population is approx. 10 times higher
than in Moscow. 

Somebody said that DC has 600,000 population. It's possible. DC is a loosely
defined city/area. Some count just what is officially District of Columbia,
some add Virginia cities across the river, some count what's inside Beltway.
Anyway, there is at least 1 homicide at DC every day. DC population is less than
1 million. There is approx. 1 homicide at Moscow every day. But population
is 10 million. So homicide rate is approx. 10 times higher.

However, for the purposes of American patriotism, you can consider DC
as a safe place.

Recently I read in newspaper that in Prince George's (MD) county (where I happen
to reside) there were 400-500 homicides at 1992. Population is about 700,000.
You see, it's about the same ratio, and, BTW, PG county has a lot of safe places.


Speaking more generally, impression of safeness depends mostly on one's
political views and preferences. People who tend to hate Russia in general
readily state that everything is bad there without giving the stuff any thought.
People who like Russia more (or like America at the lower level than is good
for American patriot) tend to think that Russia is safer.

So I'd like to say that I don't really know.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) I didn't ran into bad guys in both countries.


Vadim Maslov.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:44:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1jtn3hINNl4b@shelley.u.washington.edu> nobby@stein.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:
...
>Unlike NYC, Moscow crime is not confined to a particular cluster of 
>neighborhoods. One can be held up on Moscow University premises as 
>readily as, say, nearby the subway stop "Krasnogvardeiskaya" which is 
>notorious for its violence.
...

    Good point: there is no "safe" (by American standards) 
    neighbourhoods in Sovok.  

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Follow the money" Deep Throat
Disclaimer: Other opinions are mine only
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: viznyuk@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Need help on Odessa addresses!
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:48:01 GMT

In article <93025.103213BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.195645.4222@socrates.umd.edu>, okner@socrates.umd.edu
>(Benjamin Okner) says:
>>
>>I am trying to locate someone in Odessa who has Internet access to aid me
>>in locating a relative.  In response to an earlier posting, I got a
>>listing of Internet address in xSU.  I searched the list for Odessa
>>addresses and sent a message to 5 Odessa internet addresses.  These were:
>>
>>        postmaster@iitc.odessa.ua
>>        postmaster@otb.odessa.ua
>>        postmaster@cc.opi.odessa.ua
>>        postmaster@ics.odessa.ua
>>        postmaster@trhod.odessa.ua
>>
>>Each message was returned almost immediately with "Returned mail: User
>>unknown"
>>
>To address mail to RELCOM sites you must remember that it is relayed through
>Finland, and you should tell this to mailer. It is done easily by '%' method.
>For example to send post to postmaster@ics.odessa.ua you must just type
>in the From:_line: postmaster%ics.odessa.ua@relay.ussr.eu.net.

 the right form, which worked for me, when I sent
e-mail to Ukrainian sites, is
root%site.odessa.ua@ussr.eu.net   or
root%site.odessa.ua@kiae.su

Serega
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:12424 talk.politics.soviet:10739 soc.culture.misc:579
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:38:15 EST
From: Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.misc
Subject: Re: Ignorants from Kiev follow ignorants from Tallinn
 <1993Jan27.182544.1@cc.helsinki.fi>

In article <1993Jan27.182544.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
(Tapani Hietaniemi) says:
>
>In article <93027.100308BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>, Boris A. Veytsman
><BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>> Well, well.  The example was set by Estonian leaders: several years ago they
>> changed RUSSIAN spelling of Tallinn.
>
>Most odd. I think anyone in Tallinn knows that Tallinn is spelt
>
>in Estonian Tallinn
>in Russian  Tallin (the Cyrillic translitteration: Tallinn)
>in English  Tallinn
>in Finnish  Tallinna
>

Dear Tapani:

Your data are incorrect.

Before 'perestroyka' the Russian spelling for Tallinn was with ONE
'H' (Cyrllic N). I remeber quite clearly the decree of Estonian
Parliament changing this spelling - now it has two 'H';  it was very
independent, nice and democratic.

Don't know why your Tallinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
friends did not changed Finnish spelling. I think the cause was
the same why  my Ukrainian Govt did not change Japanese spelling
of Kyyiv (I'm loyally obeying their new rules): to change a language
one must know it - or at least know that this language exists.

-Boris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ss107@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sergey  Shamis)
Subject: Odessa e-mail addresses
Reply-To: ss107@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sergey  Shamis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:45:35 GMT


Hi, guys!

This is in reference to yesterday's little discussion on how to get
e-mail to Odessa.  Two corrections to the regular e-mail procedure
were suggested:  

	root%<site>.odessa.ua@relay.ussr.eu.net

			&
	
	root%<site>.odessa.ua@ussr.eu.net    (or @kiae.su).


I tried both of these ways (I also tried postmaster as well as root at
the beginning), but did not succeed.  Every time my mail returned to
me after a couple of hours with a note:

	Cannot choose a precise route to the following address:


			postmaster%cc.opi.odessa.ua@ussr.eu.net

	You should specify the full name of the target machine(s).


Anyone knows how to fix this?  Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.


						Serge
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:12467 talk.politics.soviet:10775 soc.culture.europe:11452
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: Travelling to Russia
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:55:31 GMT

When I was in college, all students travelling to Russia wanted to take Levis,
nylon stockings and Beatles tapes to barter with.  Are these items still
so popular or is this a kind of out-of-date approach?
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moya militsya menya berezhyot (Was: Crime and punishment/CH(G
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:21:59 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1k5cda$405@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics2 writes:

> In article <106748@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
> >  Right. But you can't tell the story (I'm-just-arrived)
> >  for two years. Besides, in most states you're required
> >  to obtain a valid state licence within a couple of months.
> >  (I know of PA, IL, and CA)
> 
> Your knowledge is wrong. 
> 
> You may use license issued by your other country or state as long as they aree
> valid in that country or state (CA driver's handbook). It is widely spread
> misunderstanding.
> 
> Yury M.

Still, in IL, MA and NY (at least)  the international license is valid only
for few months. However,  you can always say to  cop that you just arrived,
because they don't  require any I-20 or whatever.  You'd be in trouble only
if catched twice and your license number registered both times.

Greg
From: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: registered mail (was Re: ewe ne ...)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:53:44 GMT
Organization: Mass General Hospital NMR Imaging Center

In article <1993Jan24.180928.12175@math.ucla.edu> aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin) writes:
>
>are you aware of the fact that the US registered mail comes with the
>indemnity for loss of or damage to items, of $32.35? Which is actually
>easy to collect, if you are not in hurry.

Hi:

Thanks for the advice, but:
1. I usually am in a hurry;
2. Ist the pain in the lower back (travel to post office, filing
	different papers) worth the money that could (in 3-6 mo) be
	recovered?
3. My objective is not to get money, but to get letters across.
4. It was a very interesting description of the procedure, though.
	Thanks a lot.

Alex

-- 
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CIPR, MGH in Boston, MA.     (617)724-9507 Vox  (617)726-7830 Fax