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From: charles@essential.org (Charles Bennington)
Subject: Re:      Universal use of GIS
Organization: Essential Information, Washington, DC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:18:03 GMT

In article <9208241059.AA09663@dg11svarmd>,         "Theodore B. Samsel" <tbsamsel@DG11SVARMD.ER.USGS.GOV> writes:
|>    I am not comfortable with these references to "empowerment of the
|> common folk" by making GIS more accessible to them. I hope people
|> (at least the ones in this discussion) realize that the mere possession
|> of desktop publishing software (or whatever) does not make them a
|> "literary maven". I find this close to the infinite number of monkeys
|> on an infinite number of (typewriters/DTP stations/GIS workstations...)
|>    Just because you have access to the device doesn't mean you have
|> the innate ability to use it appropriately. Read Tufte and Monomier,
|> folks.
|>   Regards,
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~
|> Ted Samsel.......TBSAMSEL@QVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV..(use this!)

Why do people involved in GIS keep calling people not involved in GIS "common"?
The non-GIS-public are neither monkeys nor are they any other object used in
the many analogies people seem to be bringing up.  I'm sorry to keep on this
particular thread, but it seems that there is a fair prejudice implied in most
of the User Interface discussion so far.  All it takes to utilize GIS is
education.  A competent user interface which supports that learning process
would enable any old monkey to understand spatial problem solving.  A well
designed user interface would allow experienced (ivory-tower-bound?) users to
develop new approaches to GIS.  Once a user interface exists which encourages
more people to use GIS, the field will only improve.

Honestly, this is the last time I will bring this up.
-- 
Charles Bennington
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From:         "Nathan Urban" <nurban@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU>
Subject:      GIS FTP sites
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I'm looking for FTP sites for GIS data; references to FTP sites
with any kind of GIS data are welcome, but I would especially
appreciate references to sites storing digital orthophoto quads.
I am aware of GLIS and other similar sites; I'm looking for an
FTP site.  Thank you.




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From:         Paul Harris <HARRISP@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: GIS TEACHING POSITION AT JCU, AUSTRALIA

Jim Monaghan
What is your email address?
Paul Harris
harrisp@macc.wisc.edu
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From:         Chris Miles <esri!aussie!chris@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Multiple platforms for Arc/Info ????

>
> Hello,
>
>         I am working on a big project that consists of several applications,
> all needing ARC/INFO (written in AML or some other language).
> In the future, these applications would be ported to other platforms
> (still, supported by ARC/INFO).
> I want to know if, knowing the maximal number of workstations that will be
> installed, I can have **one** licence for all the workstations, even if
> the initial platform and the future platform are not from the same
> manufacturer (ie. Sun and HP or even DecStation) and what are the maximum
> number of of licences for one work station.

You can have one license which is SHARED among your different platforms. When
one machine has grabbed it, no other machine will be able to use ARC/INFO until
it is released. Of course, you will still need the appropriate ARC/INFO
executables for each different platform.

There is really no maximum number of licenses per machine, but there may be
some performance problems with the license manager if it has to handle alot of
licenses all being checked out at the same time. It all depends on the power of
your machine, the network traffic etc...

> The answer to this question is very important for us. If the answer is
> positive, would you mind giving me at least a range of the pricing of such
> a licence.

Contact your local ESRI Marketing group for the various prices of ARC/INFO
licenses.

> By the way, can we have a standalone application (independant from ARC/INFO)
> by using an object code licence and compile it on other machines

An ArcSDL (Arc Software Development Library) program CAN ONLY be executed on a
machine licensed for ARC/INFO. The program will be using the same licenses as
ARC/INFO does.

Chris Miles
ESRI Technical Support.
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From:         dt11 <Derek_THOMPSON@UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      slide scanners
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No, folks, i was not in time warp when I recently posted a brief bulletin
that the October issue of the magazine MacWorld had an aryicle on scanners.
the October 1992 issue of that magazine arrived at my home before the end of
the month of August.

Anyway, the article covers eight 35mm slide scanners, and eleven flatbed.
The latter type do not work too well with 35 mm slides. Out of the eight
two, the Nikon LS-3510AF and the Leaf Systems Leafscan 35 arew the Editor's
Choice. Both are list price close to $10,000.

Derek Thompson
University of Maryland at College Park
dt11@umail.umd.edu
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From:         David_Douglas <DHDAD@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      fortran library to postscript

Does anyone have a fortran subroutine library that will generate
a postscript graphics file? Presumably it will require calls to
calcomp or hp subroutines to do graphc things like draw lines, fill
polygons, etc.
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From:         "Virginia Hetrick, in sunny Calif" <IARGRAF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: HELP: do you know Windsor's Information System ?

I don't know about Windsor's information system, but IBM has been
using their kiosk system for that type of thing at the Seville
Exposition and also at the Olympic Games in Barcelona.  The actual
stuff is really quite whippy;  it doesn't take long to figure out
the structure of the system and get around to where you want to be,
unlike some prototype systems I've seen where you really need to
be a computer jock to understand the instructions.  I believe that
IBM is marketing most or all of the components of the kiosk system
in the US.  I don't know whether they're doing the same in other
markets.

HTH.

vh
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From:         Marcus Lester <marcusl@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Agricultural production data
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Hi netters,

Does anyone out there have any leads on digital, geographic agricultural
production data for 1990 for the 48 conterminous states of the US. In the
best of all possible worlds, it would be broken down by crop, planted area
and census block. I would be surprised to get any better resolution. Am I
dreaming anyway?

Please reply directly to save bandwidth, and I will broadcast the results.
Thanks in advance.

Marcus Lester
Battelle Environmental Planning and Social Research Center
Seattle, Washington  98105-5428
email: mk_lester@pnl.pnlg.gov
Phone: (206)528-3308     Fax: (206)528-3552
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From:         Barry Zickuhr <esri!merlin!barry@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
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I would like to clarify some things, lest the original intent of my
posting be misconstrued.

1) Arc runs under OpenWindows or Motif - both of which run under X.
Arc 6.1 specifically includes Motif support on the Sun.

2) You CAN use a PC with an X-emulator to run Arc.  Please contact
your local ESRI distributor for more information on which emulation
packages may be right for you.

Barry Zickuhr
ESRI Technical Support
bzickuhr@esri.com
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From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: Re: GIS Interfaces
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:46:10 GMT


Thanks, Scott, for the apology, but it was my inelegant phrasing
of my claim that those in the know are not sufficiently conveying
their knowledge to industry that ignited you.  My apology, please.

What has followed on the NATO meeting?  Are we closer to under-
standing the nature of space?  What is being done to implement
this enhanced understanding?  I suspect there is work being done
but it gets too little attention outside the company of scholars.

Bob
















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From: ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
Subject: Re: ZYCOR e-mail
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:46:12 GMT

Greetings Netlanders!

I am submitting a follow-up to an earlier post about e-mail at ZYCOR Inc.

Yes, we have e-mail. The person to contact at Landmark/ZYCOR Inc. is
Mary White at mwhite@zycor.lgc.com.

Cheers!

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From:         Curt Chapman <gtx!curt@SUNBURN.WEST.SUN.COM>
Subject:      Re: electronic atlases

> Jan,
> You forgot to include your private mailing address! So, apologies to
> everyone else who gets this (though you may find the information of
> some use as well :-)

I have been frustrated a few times by not having the email address of
a person whose post I have read from GIS-L email.  The problem is that,
unlike reading the comp.infosystems.gis news group where it is obvious
who posted the message, the only return address with the posts received
through GIS-L list email is that of GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu.

It's not clear if this should always be the case or if my local mailer is
omitting some useful information.  Either way, I often wish people would
include a signature block with an email address so I could contact them
directly.

Okay, I'll get off my soap box now.  :-)


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From: stetzer@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Frank Stetzer)
Subject: Re: Soundex algorithm
Originator: stetzer@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:14:44 GMT

Derek Winter (winter@sol.surv.utas.edu.au) writes:

   From: winter@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Derek Winter)
   Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
   Subject: Soundex Algorithms
   Message-ID: <1992Aug28.000615.20225@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
   Date: 28 Aug 92 00:06:15 GMT
   Organization: CenSIS at University of Tasmania

   Hello All,
       I am interested in finding any papers that document the Soundex 
   algorithm, or similar techniques. Could anyone help me out with some 
   references?

   thanks in advance,
   Derek.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have soundex routines coded in C and Perl if they would be of use. 
I've used it with some success in address matching but its not a 
substitute for person who knows the street names.

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From:         Chris Hermansen <clh@TFIC.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Universal use of GIS
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Charles Bennington writes:

[stuff deleted]
>                                        All it takes to utilize GIS is
>education.  A competent user interface which supports that learning process
>would enable any old monkey to understand spatial problem solving.  A well
>designed user interface would allow experienced (ivory-tower-bound?) users to
>develop new approaches to GIS.  Once a user interface exists which encourages
>more people to use GIS, the field will only improve.

Really Charles!  Pick up a National Geographic some time and watch them carp
about "how few elementary school students know where Mexico is" or some other
such thing!!!  Do you really think a "competent" user interface (as opposed to
a "competent user" interface) is really going to solve these people's problems?
You're absolutely right about the education part, though... and designing
a user interface so that people who don't know what their state/provincial
capital is can use GIS "effectively" (whatever on earth that could mean) is,
at the very least, putting the cart before the horse.

Why should GIS software designers have to design systems so that ANYONE can
use them?  Why should they not concentrate instead on systems that experienced
people can use properly?

Would we not all be served better by more reliable answers, rather than a
better look-and-feel?

Just my CDN$0.02 worth,

Chris Hermansen                         Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Voice: 1 604 733 0731                   302 - 958 West 8th Avenue
FAX:   1 604 733 0634                   Vancouver B.C. CANADA
clh@tfic.bc.ca                          V5Z 1E5

C'est ma facon de parler.
From: navanax@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Indiana Jones)
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Subject: Re: Universal use of GIS
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   Let's here it for John Sherman! (What else would you expect to hear from
a UW student?). I think Sherman has an important point: know the context of
your audience before you generate anything! Are current interfaces allowing
enough flexibility to allow users to generate a context that is similar
to their original context? Negative. Can the audience handle the vast
quantity of information coming their way? I would say yes depending on the
interface, but the other question should be: does this audience want to
handle the vast quantity of information coming their way?

   Tom Edwards
   University of Washington
   navanax@milton.u.wasington.edu
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From:         RA185013@HKPCC.HKP.HK
Subject:      Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
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Barry,

Which PC X-emulators you will recommand to run Arc 6.1 through PC-NFS or
PC/TPC network package to SUN?

At present, I am trying X11 and PC-XVIEW.

Please response to GIS-L.

Regards.

Thomas Lee
GIS Specialist
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From:         kchiang@ALBERT.MANNLIB.CORNELL.EDU
Subject:      TIGER file GUI

     Has anyone developed a GUI for TIGER files on Arc/Info - something
that would allow a 'non-expert' in both TIGER and Arc/Info to create a
subset coverage for export?
     Our library is exploring such an interface, we need some way for our
networked campus GIS users to define sub-county boundaries and select from
the full range of census features in TIGER to create a geographic file the
can tranfer to their own system.

Kathy Chiang, Computer Files Librarian
Mann Library, Cornell
kchiang@albert.mannlib.cornell.edu
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From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: Sun Arc/Info..PC
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:20:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.153141.8628@geog.utoronto.ca> axing@geog.utoronto.ca (A-xing Zhu) writes:
>KHALFALL@TNEARN.BITNET writes:
>
>>   We have Arc/INfo version 6 installed on Sun Sparc. We would like to know
>> the possibility to run ARC/INFO and display graphics on a PC486. The Arc/Info
>> resides physically on the SPARC..
>
>> Thank you for your help
>> Majed Khalfallah
>> e-mail: khalfallah@TNEARN.bitnet
>
>I suppose Arc/Info version 6 runs under X-windows.  In this case, make the
>PC486 as an X-terminal and set DISPLAY environmental variable to the PC486.
>

Hmmm. We are running 6.0 under Openwindows. With only minor problems
here and there. I have talked to ESRI technical support and they
discourage the use of X-windows as the interface of choice. Now
I don't know if 1) They are pushing SUN products because they have 
a vested interest in doing so, or 2) Their product is not totally
standardized to X11 (which wouldn't suprise me). Has anyone
out there had any experience (outside of ESRI) in using X-WIndows
with 6.0???

anne
>
>A-Xing Zhu
>Univ. of Toronto
>axing@esker.geog.utoronto.ca


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From:         "Karl A. Nyberg" <karl@GREBYN.COM>
Subject:      Digital Chart of the World : AVAILABILITY
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OK, since I complained so much about it a few months ago, I thought you'd
all like to know that you really CAN NOW get the Digital Chart of the World.
I saw a copy running at the DMA booth as ISPRS a few weeks ago in DC and
decided to go for it.  Here's how:

	To order the DCW package by mail, send to:

	USGS Open File Section
	Box 25286
	Denver, CO 80225
	303-236-7476

	Payment (check, money order, purchase order, or Government account)
	must accompany order.  Make all drafts payable to the Department of
	the Interior -- U. S. Geological Survey.

	The DCW package can also be purchased over-the-counter from any
	Earth Science Information Center by check, money order, purchase
	order, Government account, credit card, or cash.  Missing or
	defective material will be replaced free if reported to the office
	that took the order, by telephone or in writing, within 90 days of
	purchase.

	Cost $200 per package.

	Includes 4 CD ROMs, 3 5.25 and 3.5 floppies containing various
	source and executable files for VPFVIEW, a program for displaying
	the data on the PC.

You need DOS 3.1 or higher, CD-ROM Extensions 2.0 or higher. 80[23]86 with
80[23]87, VGA or EGA and arrow key, mouse, 30MB hard drive with at least 20
percent free 1MB RAM, CD ROM drive.

I was told that the FASTEST way was to order it from Denver.  I sent in my
check on 8/21 and received the package today from UPS.

I believe that DoD components can order directly from DMA, although I don't
know how.  That information is probably classified, and I don't have either
a clearance OR a need to know. :-)

There's apparently also a version of VPFVIEW in process for the Sun SPARC,
with public availability estimated to be within the next couple months.
(That's what I'm looking forward to!)

-- Karl --

Karl A. Nyberg				karl@grebyn.com
Post Office Box 497			Grebyn Corporation
Vienna, VA 22183-0497 USA		+1-703-281-2194
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From: winter@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Derek Winter)
Subject: Soundex Algorithms
Organization: CenSIS at University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:06:15 GMT

Hello All,

					I am interested in finding any papers that document the Soundex 
algorithm, or similar techniques. Could anyone help me out with some 
references?

											thanks in advance,

																				Derek.
From: boss@geovax.ed.ac.uk (Bruce Gittings)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Summary of gis state of art.
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:48:43 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

In article <9209030138.AA34773@halcon.dpi.udec.cl>, dcampos@HALCON.DPI.UDEC.CL writes:

> May someone provide me some references to a good summary about actual
> trends and research in gis? (Computer sources are welcome! :-)
> 
> Daniel Campos
> Universidad de Concepcion, Depto. Ing. de Sistemas
> Internet : dcampos@halcon.dpi.UDEC.cl

The best and most recent "summary" you are going to get would be the 
proceedings of the recent 5th Spatial Data Handling Symposium held
in South Carolina.  Contact David Cowen, Humanities and Social
Sciences Computing Lab, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208
USA.  E-mail -> COWEN@OTIS.HSS.SCAROLINA.EDU

I'm afraid that you are not going to get any short summary of all
that is happening in GIS simply because it is such a rapidly
evolving field.
 
Regards,

Bruce.
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