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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Cable's demise and rise?
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In article <1992Dec5.110408.1@tesla.njit.edu> pvs8496@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>About the demise of Cable, well if anybody reads some of the accompanying ads,
>One of them mentions that X-Force#20  features Cable.
>All I wonder how is Marvel going to ressurect him!

Didn't they mention something about there being a high buildup of temporal
thingummy-whatsit energy flashy lights stuff during the final battle? I
think it's pretty obvious that Cable (and probably Stryfe) will just be shunted
somewhere else in time to reappear just in time for whatever crossover they
decide...

Mike
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
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Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:21:37 GMT
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magnus@IASTATE.EDU (Coinspinner) writes:
>her mutant body to animate corpses----INCLUDING HER OWN! ...
>takes the cake.  Come on, animate dead flesh?  Gah.
                                                ^^^ nice sound effect
                           Isn't it a Klingon dish, best served cold?

>dream up being some super powered individual, but imagine yourself having this
>power?   "Stand back folks, I'll animate all the dead bodies to carry the
>surviors away."    Heck, you could animate your Turkey dinner, roadkills, and
>have a guarenteed spot on the David Letterman show.

Animate corpses?  Isn't that Marvel's job?!?  :)

Heh, I don't see how it's such a stupid power, you'd certainly have
fun scaring the shit out of necrophiliacs...

What was she called, Zombie Queen?  Sister Voodoo?

"Tonight on the show, kids, you're in for quite a treat!  From the
hit comedy show Murphy Brown, it's our good friend Robert Pastorelli,
plus Singer/actor Bill Shatner and the Shatnerettes!  ...  Oh, what
the hell, Hal, bring in the dead guys...!"

-Jon Kung
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:19:30 GMT

In article <BzJGEA.Cq3@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>Some people find great insights in bubblegum wrappers. Others talk about
>the Mutant Massacre:
>
>>Hmm.  Now which mutant available at the time had a ranged attack?  A ranged
>>attack capable of reaching across continents and starting volcanos up?
>
>No offense to Sarah, but Magneto (the mutant in question) was capable of
>starting up volcanos only when using that nifty machine in X-Men #150
>that magnified his powers.

Yeah, but he could create the machine with just a thought and some raw
materials.  This was right after the X-Men destroyed the machine -- the
computer programs necessary to run it would take some time, but he was at
the mansion for at least a few months before the massacre, and he had
experimented with extending his power over the mansion, at least to the
creation of "widgets" that functioned off of his natural magnetic aura.
What would have stopped him if he decided to send more powerful widgets
into the tunnels, controled by his force of will to destroy the Marauders?

I agree that the massacre would have ended in a few minutes if Magneto were
allowed to enter the picture: The smart thing would be for Mags, Rogue,
Wolverine, and Colussus to go down, and leave the more vulnerable X-Men in
the back for cleanup.  Yes, a good leader should go out with her troops,
but a very good leader should know when she would be more of a liability
than help, and remain behind.

>Otherwise, I agree with her position:  Magneto couldn't enter the tunnels
>becase the plot would be over with too quickly. Not that having Thor, of
>all people, down there subtracted many Marauders...

Yeah -- Thor, The X-Men, The New Mutants, Power Pack, X-Factor -- just
about everyone except Magneto.

As for the question that originally started this thread - "Who do you think
is the best X-leader?", I think none of them are too hot right now, but
Cyclops was increadible in X-Men #150.


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From: paladin@yaya.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...)
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Subject: Re: Pez? (Was: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:41:07 GMT
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In article <Bz7wpC.DKM@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>>Denials and the now world famous..........pez?
>
>What is it with this Pez thing? Should xbooks now start doing official
>promotional spots? (Pez... the candy of mutants everywhere). Personally,
>I push for Mamba, Spree, or Snickers for the Official Mutant Candy.

*Sigh*    don't you read the TICK???
that is the whole basis for the adventures in tick #7 and #8... 
he went to the store for pez.. 


>Death LS is coming out... :-)

	for which there is much rejoicing... *snicker*
	(my copy is already order at my local comic store....)

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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
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Subject: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 05:54:17 GMT
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Summary: of psychosomatics and clothing...

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>I subscribe to the theory that Rogue's lack of control over her powers is
>psychosomatic; she thinks she can't, so she can't. (At least, that's what
>they seem to be leading up to...)

Hmm, that's all very nice, but one might think that Rogue's
therapeutic sessions with Xavier way back when she first joined
the X-Men would have tested such a supposition.  With all of
Rogue's angsting over her lack of control over her mutant power,
one might also think that someone with brains, say, McCoy, Xavier,
or MacTaggert, would have thought of this some time ago.

If she does have control over her mutant power (sounds so much
better than "absorption power"), then will she ditch her wardrobe
of body-stockings and dress like Psylocke?  *shudder*

-Jon Kung, "A mind is a terrible thing to baste -- serve it chilled."
From: paladin@yaya.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...)
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Subject: Re: Rogue's Powers
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:48:34 GMT
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In article <Bz7x3K.CGn@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>Christopher A. White writes:
>>A couple of things ...
>
>Yog-Sothoth and Ben Grimm. Satisfied?

heh...

>For what other few old-time Marvel fans who read this list, do the current
>crop of X-villains remind you, in some little way, of the classic Dormammu?
>Boasting and pontificating at the drop of a hat... they don't have his
>grandeur, of course, and certainly not his neat hairstyle, but still...

well.. villains going into long speeches is a comic book tradition... any one 
with brains would be able to trounce most anyone if they had a decent plan..
but all villains seem to be BIG on ego.. and low on brainpower... but the talk
gives the heroes a chance to recover.. catch some z's.. or do some knitting
that they had been meaning to catch up on.


>>Rogue has absorbed powers without intending to, one which comes to mind
>>is when she was knocked out and then awakened by smelling salts. The
>>salts were broken under her nose and then her hand immediately placed on
>>an unconcious chuck. She was able to absorb his powers and communicate
>>with the other XMEN.
>
>Yep. She also crash-landed into Colossus in X-Men/Alpha Flight #1 and took
>his powers by accident.

how bout when the black queen destroyed her gloves as colosus was sinking into
the ground?
(hmmm.. is colosus the only one who has been accidently absorbed?)
From: menchett@dws007.unr.edu (Peter J Menchetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Comics for Sale! Wolvie! Xmen! more!
Date: 9 Dec 92 01:26:07 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

Hello World,

I have a ton of comic books, and I think I'm finally ready to part with
some. You tell me what you need, and I'll tell you a price, because I
probably have it, especially if it's from the last 7 years. (I do have
some vintage, also)

	I have lots of:
	Spiderman
	Punisher (1st appearance, Sp129)
	Wolverine (1st app. hulk 181)
	Groo (sorry, not for sale)
	Batman

Reply to Peter Menchetti
	<menchett@cs.unr.edu>
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable, Stryfe-the connection?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:55:15 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Dec7.202406.4204@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> nieboer@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Doctor Gonzo) writes:
>Steven Kelly Woyicki <sw3r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Ok, I just read Cable #2 and I've some new inspirations:
>
>
>>5)  Ahab??  Still don't have any idea.
>Does anyone?
>
 maybe he was taken from an alternate line where nathan wasn't a mutant.  He
 seemed whole in one of the flashbacks until phoenix (as a Hound) knocked him
 into Computer.  Remember the whole Franklin from the future bit, AHAB awoke
 from a place in all times, I haven't looked lately for the exact quote,
 but didn't someone mention then GREYMALKIN may also exist in all times.  

>>7)  The Twelve:  Ok, people have been asking about who we know is one so
>>far.  In X-factor #12?-#14? or so, Master Mold first reveals their
>>existence on the second page.  He says they are 12 powerful mutants
>>around whom the rest will gather.  Rethinking this leads me to suspect
>>that maybe they aren't necessarily all Highlords.  Maybe they are only
>>12 IMPORTANT, SIGNIFICANT mutants who will shape the future.  On page 2,
>>we see pictures of Cyke, Jean, Storm, Apocalypse, and Franklin Richards.
>
>Finally, someone backs me up here. There are almost certainly more than 12
>highlords....and the twelve are said to be "Architects of the mutant destiny"
>or some such thing...obviously, they are mutants who will shape the future.
>I believe Cable is one (I think he's pictured on the last page of X-Factor
>68)

 TRASK the guy who made the master mold, and some of his own memories are in
 it was a Precog Mutant, he predicted who the 12 would be, it was no quess not
 how he saw it at the time (but of cause that was before some new characters
 were created)

                                          Jorge
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Pez? (Was: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:51:12 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>       Well, for the sake of trivia ... I seem to remember an issue in the
>>Savage Land episodes where Rogue, Magneto, and Ka-Zar are attacked by a guy
>>called "Barbarian" (I think), who looks mostly just like Forearm from the
>>X-Force series. Rogue gives him a kiss, thinking he'll just collapse, but
>>instead he says he likes it and kisses her again(i.e. nothing happens to him
>>Magneto zaps him before things get gruesome ... 8^) I wonder what that
>>was about?

>That was about, because she tried to "absorb" him before the genetic tinkering
>of Magneto was completely set.  Remember, at this time she did not have super
>strength, flying, or a poor southern accent.  It was only after the fight in
>Zaladane's castle did all of these powers back.
>
>And now for something completely different, any idea on when the Gambit
>limited series (yes I like him, -- I bought an asbestos suit for this post)
>will come out and who will be working on it.  Heard that the
>guy who did the Marvel Series III cards will be the artists.  Confirms,
>Denials and the now world famous..........pez?

What is it with this Pez thing? Should xbooks now start doing official
promotional spots? (Pez... the candy of mutants everywhere). Personally,
I push for Mamba, Spree, or Snickers for the Official Mutant Candy.

And, just as my obligatory mutant reference in this post, the mutate down
in the Savage Land is Barbarus. To appease the Jim Lee fans whom I regularly
disrupt their digestion, I do think Lee's version of the tired, old Savage
Land Mutates were great. I especially liked the new Lupo.

No idea on the Gambit LS. I'm trying not to think about it. Besides, the
Death LS is coming out... :-)

"Get your orders in now, folks! The X-Cemetary, revolving plots rented by
 the year! Why waste valuable land when you know they're coming back anyway?"
 --Richard Darwin as The Barker in "Halloween Summer: Darwin and Grey"

-- 
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"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: TRIO AS TRAITOR
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Just for the record, I was the one who suggested Wolverine as a likely
candidate. My criteria for posting my choices are:
	1) Who has gone through such mental and emotional strife that their
sanity or loyalties can no longer be considered absolute?
	and/or
	2) Who has enough "blank spots" in their past that could be
revealed (or retconned) to have "ulterior motives?

The odds on them using Wolverine or Gambit as the X-Traitor, due to their
intense following, are extremely slim. But, as I have said before
repeatedly, I think the whole "X-Traitor" thread is one that could drift
away and I wouldn't mind.

Jay (=
From: ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler)
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Subject: X-Factor #85
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:05:40 GMT
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   Let me preface this article by stating that I haven't read the last giant
X-book cross-over, and the last X-Factor I read before #85 (X-aminations)
was #83 (Genosha Legacy).  In a concerted effort to avoid being a Marvel
Zombie (tm), I didn't purchase any of the cross over titles, nor did I break
the silly books out of their pre-bagged state.

   I liked #85 very much.  The format of the debriefing by a psychiatrist is
a well-tested plot mechanism, which was adiquitely executed.  I was glad to
get a look into the psychies of the team, what sets them off, how they're
coping with each other, etc..  

   I am somewhat mistified, however, by the analysis of Lorna.  In previous
books (chapters?  editions?) she hasn't seemed terribly concerned about her
appearance, not to the psychotic/bulimic degree that it's presented in #85.
Also, I found it to be unnecessarily out-of-character for her to don a new
costume just to prove that psychyatrists are people too...

   Is there a reason why Lorna is much more psychotic these days?  I feel
like the analyst when she comes in the second time: "Lorna, did we have a
conversation that I _missed_...?"
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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
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Subject: Re: That woman with the purple hair
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:39:40 GMT
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bern@athena.mit.edu (Bernard Chen) writes:
>it be that they're trying to pass her off as Psylocke?  They've had
>the wrong person this whole time?

What?!  You mean all of this time, it's been a SKRULL masquerading
as our dear Betsy, to sow confusion and stryfe among the team that
is X?

Nah.  Marvel'd never do that.

-Jon Kung, too many damn clones floating around as it is!
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Super Strength...
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:04:19 GMT
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In <1g8htcINN51h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> paladin@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...) writes:

+>In article <Bz2CAt.MLn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Chak the Destroyer) writes:
+>>
+>>   It seems incredibly feasible to me that most of the X-Men could be
+>>killed by someone with super-strength.  There is absolutely no way in
+>>hell that any of the X-Men, save Bishop, Rogue, Colossus, Woverine, &
+>>Beast (maybe, not sure), could survive being puched by a peson that can
+>>lift/press 1 ton, let alone these people that lift/press 80 - 100 tons.
+>>It simply is not possibly.  A guy up here at Purdue was killed by a 

+>>Typical comic scene:

+>[scene deleted]

+>>What should happen IMHO:
+>>Juggernaut: Take this!  [Punches Iceman.  Iceman's decapitated body slumps
+>>            to the ground.  Iceman's head lands in Mexico City.
+>> 
+>>In the above scene, replace the Juggernaut with any villian that has super
+>>strength, and Iceman with any other X-Men (except the one's I mentioned), 
+>>and roughly the same scene should occur.

+>but... but.... but... you can't do that... put REALISM in a comic book?????
+>never happen...

	As if "Juggernaut" and "super strength" were "realism" right?
Or the x-men concept of "mutant" for that matter.


Put the physics books away and enjoy it for what it is....entertainment.
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Mutants that teleport (was Re: What is Wolverine's mutant power?)
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:22:34 GMT

In article <1gn0akINNncr@agate.berkeley.edu>, joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
> jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf) writes:
>>>Mutants who can teleport (as their natural power):
>>> Nightcrawler (first one that comes to mind)
>>> Magik (but not for a few years yet, but we ARE dealing with Marvel!)
>>> Vanisher (mutant?)
>>> Cloak (eh...)
>>>?Zero (mutant or machine?)
>>> Gateway (or is that only for others?)
>>>What, is that all?  I must be missing some...
>>Umm, you forgot Lila Chaney,
> Indeed.  I remembered soon after, but you, you rascal, you beat
> me to it...!
> 
>>and Sidewinder (I think that's the one...whichever
>>one in the Serpent Society who can teleport).

It was established in the otherwise unreadable Nightcrawler mini-series that
Nightcrawler and Vanisher share the same 'universe' through which they
teleport, and that it is related to the Darkforce wielded by such characters as
Cloak, Darkstar (formerly of the Champions, Soviet Super Soldiers, etc.), and
the various darkforce cloaks (Hellcat, Shroud, among others).

Magik did not use this universe as the shortcut for teleporting, rather she
used Limbo.  It's not clear if other teleporters use this same mechanism, of
having some other universe to pass through rather than covering the distance
here.

Joel
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men 17 and X-Factor 87
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:08:28 GMT
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <rlcarr.097k@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:
>In article <72060@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>> Joe said he wanted to design a new costume for Polaris.  I said fine, and
>> worked it into the context of the story.
>> 
>> The result is not to *my* taste...but it makes Joe happy...
>
>So it is permanent?  Sigh.  :(  Does this mean that Lorna is going
>to come down with Power Girl Syndrome (more than she already has) (hmm,
>can Power Girl Syndrome be applied to Marvel characters?  Or do we need
>to find a Marvel archetype for this problem?  Any sggestions?)?

God, I hope it's not permanent.  Lorna has seemed pretty stable, so it
would be quite out of character for her to decide to change into such a
loud costume. (I guess I'm one of those people that would think that a
person would have to be out of their mind to go around wearing an
outlandish costume, no matter *what* powers you have.)  I'm not sure if
Power Girl syndrome is the right phrase for it, though.  I'd personally
call it "Fanboy Syndrome".


Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
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From: <SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: XTAS: Everything old is new again.

According to the CBG, when the X MEN start airing again, the first
sneak previews will be changed with new scenes and touched up
art.
R I K
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Alright, dammit. Rogue's Accidental Absorbtions. The List.
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In article <1992Dec19.193241.1454@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, aj005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hulk want Christmas come now!) writes...
>	Gee, I guess one idea that Hank, Moira, and Xavier forgot was that
>Rogues powers are controlled by her genes.  Why can't they just use all that
>Shiar technology to locate the gene, make a virus that would splice the
>gene, and then let Rogue live a happy life as a normal person.

	Or bring back Forge's neutralizer, and then Rogue could _really_ live
a happy life as a normal person.
	Seriously, though, couldn't Hank figure out how to build a "selective"
neutralizer to temporarily zap Rogue's absorption powers, but leave all others
intact? Or would her mutant angst just be pushed onto another mutant?

	Joe Delisle

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