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From: dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Stephen Dowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The future?
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:45:04 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>Star Trek :  Mankind will be able to control its desteny up till 26th Century
>              AD.

Why only the 26th Century?  Am I missing something on STTNG?  Or was this from
the Max Headroom visit (sorry, I'm terrible with episode names).

>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.

Well, I disagree on Maastricht, but that's a subject for a different
newsgroup.
 
stephen dowling
dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The future?
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 05:59:11 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

<SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

 Intelligent questions deserve intelligent answers.

-
- Why do I get the feeling that there are far too many people out there who
- spend their lives thinking judgment is just around the corner and die
- disappointed?

  My answer to this one is that these people  are the more self-righteous
people in society.   These people die disappointed because :

1) they don't know how to be loving.

2) these people are VERY unfulfilled.

I, for one, hope never to fall under the catagory of a self-righteous person.

- Additionally, what is the obsession that Moses has with
- being in end of the world flicks?  Inquiring minds want to know...

  Could you rephrase this question?

  BTW, if this gets to theological, discussion could be moved to
talk.religion.misc.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.
From: myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: reference
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:26:49 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

	I'm looking for a reference to an actress of the series who appeared
topless in some previous movie according to Doctor Who Monthy #158. They have
an interview with Kevin O'Shea, who has worked at the BBC for "20 old years,"
and who was the Corporation's Drama Publicity Officer until 1989. In the
article he relates several anadoctes he has related to the series like
annoucing the introduction of new companios like Adric, Tegan, and Nyssa. But,
to quotes:

		"For example, there was one occasion when one of the
	female companions in Doctor Who, who had many years before 
	appeared in a film topless, had a problem. Someone sold a
	still from the film to the "News of the World" and they were
	going to do a story along the lines of DOCTOR WHO GIRL IN
	BLUE MOVIE. I got to hear of it and pre-empted the story. I
	contacted a journalist, Rosalie Horner of the "Daily
	Express" and told her the situation. So  she interviewed
	the artiste concerned and ran a story on the Saturday
	about actresses being exploited in their early career,
	appearing in films they'd never dream of doing later on.
	That, of course, took the sting out of the "News of the World"
	story. They did run it but it was tucked away and very small.
	If we had not taken this defensive action, it may well have
	need a front page story." (DWM #158, pg 12)

	The magazine of course doesn't mention the artiste involved.
Does anyone know what film and which actress Kevin O'Shea is referring
to?

				- Myst@Drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
From: quiz@nemesis.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Serial Codes: 7O or 7Q?
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:18:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu:4196:nemesis:-403772:000:923
Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!quiz    Sep 14 20:18:00 1992


<>
[0]What is the proper BBS serial code for Ghost Light? While the list I ftp'd
		      BBC
[0]written by Lee Booth says it is 7Q, Lofficier's Terrestrial Index lists it
[0]at 7O. O doesn't seem to be a very popular letter; the only [other] O's
[0]listed are OO and OOO.

7Q  Ghost Light	
is the correct answer.

Normally you avoid using both O and Q since they can be misread.  Find a
theatre that has row O and Q!   However, I can't explain why the
production deviated from this during the Troughton/Pertwee period.
Here's all the O's and Q's:

Q   The Space Museum
OO  The Ice Warriors
QQ  The Web of Fear	
OOO The Time Monster
QQQ Frontier in Space
4Q  Face of Evil
5Q  Meglos
6Q  Planet of Fire
7Q  Ghostlight	


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From: hilp@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long LIVE the 3rd Doctor (Pertwee,Ithnk
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:46:12 GMT
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR

In article <18k4svINNb7@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>
>*I* should be so lucky!
>
>Seriously, if you want a change, complain at your PBS Station.  Or just stop
>watching for awhile...

Right.  When PBS here dropped DrWho, I withdrew my pledge (and told 'em why).
Every pledge break since (that's 2-3 per year) I called in to say I'd be
happy to contribute if they bring back DrWho.  So?  So, the local PBS Powers
That Be simply don't like DrWho and "have no plans to show it at this time."

I did pledge this year, though, for Mystery.  That, at least!

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:12:50 GMT

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>Actually "State of Decay" proves just the opposite.
>Romana told the Doctor that copies of this Record of Rassilon were to
>be installed in all Type 40 time vehicles, and so the Doctor heads
>to the TARDIS to find the records.

>If the Doctor were Rassilon, he would hardly have to look up the records
>of the vampire war would he (since Rassilon led the war from the 
>Gallifreyan point of view anyway)?  

I forgot to mention something...When the Doctor chose to become who he was, he
left/blocked/erased his memories from the past.  This could have been to either
feel free from any pressures that he might have felt knowing all that he knew,
to protect himself, or perhaps there were other circumstances that we aren't
aware of yet.
	One thing that has always made me curious is how well the Dr handles
himself while in the Matrix...even when at a disadvantage.  His memories are
blocked still, but I would bet he relies more on instinct here - perhaps from
previous experience???
	Also, he seems to be a relatively unknown in Gallifrey - almost as if
there aren't much records of him (except his bioprint (?) - which the Master 
used in The Deadly Assasin).  But other than that, he is a relatively unknown 
except for the few friends he makes as Dr#4. He also always seems to get away 
extremely easily when in Gallifrey (except for poor Patrick)  :) 
	These are some more reasons why I think the Dr is or has a strong
connection with Rassilon! 
		Mystic

(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: hilp@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: About as useless a bit of trivia as you can imagine.
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:21:08 GMT

In Destiny of the Daleks (the first show with Romana II), an open umbrella
is on the hatstand in the TARDIS control room background.  It looks like 
the umbrellas used in The Prisoner.  Coincidence?  Sly tie-in?  Was that
particular prop actually used in a Prisoner episode?

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com
From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Genesis and Slipback Tapes
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:12:59 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Here in Australia we have available for purchace a double cassette
featuring the complete Slipback serial, and aGenesis of the Daleks tape
(both audio).  I was thinking of buying it, and was wondering if anyone 
in the U.S or U.K. could tell me whether the Genesis audio tape is the
complete version, or a truncated one?  Cheers
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From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Immortal Companions:  The Doctor's Age & His Companions
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:34:58 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

there were two gaps with no humans on board (that I can think of):
Keeper of Traken - Logopolis  with Adric as the only companion.
Timeflight - Arc of Infinity with Nyssa
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: The future?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:31:52 GMT

In article <c67RqB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
>  Intelligent questions deserve intelligent answers.
> 
> -
> - Why do I get the feeling that there are far too many people out there who
> - spend their lives thinking judgment is just around the corner and die
> - disappointed?
> 
>   My answer to this one is that these people  are the more self-righteous
> people in society.   These people die disappointed because :
> 
> 1) they don't know how to be loving.
> 
> 2) these people are VERY unfulfilled.
> 
> I, for one, hope never to fall under the catagory of a self-righteous person.
> 
> Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
> userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)

Y'know, the reason I've been a Trekkie/er for umpteen-odd years is because Trek
says we WON'T blow ourselves to pieces.  It's optimistic, and I love that.  If
what quantum physics seems to be saying about how _thought_ can affect the 
universe is true, we'd best stop thinking we WILL kill ourselves off, or it'll
come true.

New Agely yours

Kellie
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Rob Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: video list
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:21:42 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College


Does anyone have the complete listing of WHO stories currently available on
videotape?  Afraid I haven't been keeping up to date with it.  Also, what's
the deal with "The Pertwee Years" which I've heard of recently.  

Thanks in advance

"I'm not quite breaking the laws of time, but I am bending them somewhat."
										                                -Pat Troughton/5 Doctors

rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu
From: cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (No One Knows)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Alternate control room
Keywords: jettisoned?
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:48:02 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I have a thought about what happened to the alternate control room.
When Nyssa and Tegan jettison part of the TARDIS in "Castrovalva",
maybe that got jettisoned too.  After all, they did jettison the Zero Room.


-- 
"Five to one against and falling...four to one against and falling...three to
one...two..one...probability factor of one to one...we have normality, I repeat
we have normality.  Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own
problem."		-from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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From: mrmuon@next02epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Continuity Catalog, feel free to add to it!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:17:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.224247.26458@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.214636.17043@wam.umd.edu>  
mrmuon@next02epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep14.021441.28322@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
> >> 	Possible.  Certainly possible.  Doesn't really matter much since
> >> it doesnot't conflict in the first place.
> >It sort of conflicts because the Greek Atlantis was really blown sky  
high,  
> >rather than sunk.
> 
> It was?  When?

The Greek Atlantis was on the Modern Island of Santarini, around the time  
of the end of the Minoan civilization the island exploded due to a  
volcanic eruption. The island is now crescent shaped. The premise of "the  
Time monster" was that this explosion was set off by Chronos. The bits of  
the pre eruption habitation that survive there are, as I recall,  
underwater.
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: DR. WHO COMPANION POLL ( was Re: Deborah Watling)
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:06:08 GMT

Well you didn't leave an email address, so I guess you want us to post.  Here is
my choice:

Favorite top 5:			Top 5 babes:

1.  Leela			1. Romana I
2.  Romana II			2. Tegan
3.  Sarah			3. Nyssa
4.  Tegan			4. Leela
5.  Romana I			5. Romana II

All my favorites fall with Tom Baker.  I'm not even sure why I liked Tegan.  
Maybe b'cse she was (to me) a realistic, emotional contemporary human (in other
words, I may know somebody just like her), while others seem to accept things 
quite a bit easier.
	My guess is most people will have Romana somewhere in their top 5.  
I think I put Leela 1st b'cse I loved her naivity (sp ?).  She added alot of
spice in my opinion!
		Mystic

Looking forward to seeing others opinions!
(alex.soto@analog.com)
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From: istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Visit to a Strange Universe Revisited (REPOST)
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:30:24 GMT
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Hey!  I'm really enjoying this story.  So far, i've found parts 1 and 2
I think (up to the drawing of the Enterprise bridge).  When will the
rest of the story be posted???!!! ;-)

Ellen - the Crime Doctor
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Trials of a Time Lord
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:43:01 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

MC Flash X here.  Just one question.  With all the passionate defense (and 
offense) of Colin Baker, why does nobody mention "Trial of a Time Lord"?  
Although the ending was a bit weak, I like this series on the whole.  And 
in fact, it should have been longer.  Perhaps the Time Lords could've 
questioned the good ol' Doc about who he was, or is?  Or scrutinized why he 
left Gallefrey?  And why did they let the genocide thing drop so quickly?  
I thought they'd really get into that.  And it may sound like I'm critici<
ing, but that's only because I wish my favorite Colin Baker episodes were 
better yet!  Oh, and I really did like that Cyberman one.  So much in fact, 
that I bought the book!  I'm out!

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Immortal Companions:  The Doctor's Age & His Companions
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:00:30 GMT

In article <18arngINNqk5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
>Ahem.  There is something in _Doctor_Who_ that has been bothering
>me for some time.  Has anyone ever noticed that while there was
>no companion gap between the Doctor saying he was 745 towards the
>end of Tom Baker's Era, and Colin Baker saying he was 912 in
>"Russerection of the Daleks" (I think, or was it "Revelation?",
>whichever it was took place on Necros).  
>Consider the following information:
>	1.  Adric was a companion when the Doctor said he was 745

Adric wasn't an Earthling, and his race evolved from swamp creatures, not
apes.  How do you know how long it takes him to age?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:47:11 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <1992Sep5.004949.23384@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu writes:

> 
> That's just it.  Colin Baker was a good Doctor to be
> sure and had enough classic arrogance and grouchiness
> to be Hartnellish.  But Hartnell always showed
> generosity per episode.  He often was very kind and
> granfatherly (for instance, when he left Susan on
> Earth), understanding and could recognize his
> mistakes as mistakes (such as in Unearthly Child).
> Baker had the arrogance and grouchiness but dind't
> ever temper it with a nice side (he even tried to
> strangle Peri).  Rarely did he appear generous,and
> rarely did Baker's Doctor ever think he made a mistake
> or admitted it.  With Trouhgton that was funny.  With
> Baker it got annoying fast.

>So what's wrong with being arrogant and grouchy?  I'd presume that the 
reason why the Hartnell incarnation had flashes of being nice was as a
concession to the children who watched it at that time.  After all, it
was meant to be a children's show. Having their hero always acting like
the grandfather from hell would not do anything for the shows following. 
By the time Colin Baker arrived, the show had well and truly left that
 audience type behind.  Kids are more mature, and the adult audience
 was larger.  So you'd expect a more "realistic" touch to the Doctor's 
character.  Also, how would you expect the Sixth Doctor to behave
 after coming closest to death than all his previous incarnations?
  That'd have to have some sort of adverse effect on his character.
 Trying to tamper with it by having him be nice all the time to an
 essentially whinging American would be out of character. The sixth
 Doctor brought a touch of maturity to the show, and though arrogance 
and violence aren't particularly good attributes, they gave the show
 more depth, and a different persepective from which to look at.
 After all strangulation and bathing in acid can't be all that bad, surely? 
 (joking!) Cheers.
From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Blooper in "Warriors of the Deep"
Date: 7 Sep 1992 19:02:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Yes, a member of the crew can be spotted.
When the Sea Devils break into the Sea Base, one of them fires
their heat gun accidentally, hitting one of the camera crew and
bursting him into flames. We see him briefly running across
the screen screaming before being doused (offscreen) by the
safety crew.

Of course, Lionheart cut this scene for US release. >-)
-- 
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The future?
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 05:24:33 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Doctor Who :  Mankind will go on.

Star Trek :  Mankind will be able to control its desteny up till 26th Century
              AD.

Girl from the Future:  Mankind's future is safe until about 2500 AD.

Buck Rogers:  Mankind should be able to survive till the 26th Century and
              beyond.

Why do I have the feeling that the above scenarios are just dreamscapes.
doomsday is almost aroundthe corner.  How many more deaths till the Ultimate
Realization.

One wonders if these dreams are escapes from reality.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The future?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:33:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <18qceuINNrol@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>In a previous article, rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) says:
>>What does the human race have to _do_
>>to get rid of people fanatics who think reality will change to fit _their_
>>conception?

>Adolph tried to get rid of 'people like this' - It didn't work.  Stalin
>tried it too.  The general world populace usually frowns on it.  Like it or
>not it takes all kinds to make up the world.

Less I miss my guess, Adolf and Josef _were_ 'people like this' -- while
their ambitions were secular, they certainly liked the idea of renaming
and rebuilding whole cities to their ideals.

ObDW: It's the Xoanon syndrome.  "People like that don't alter their views
to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views.  Which can be
particularly nasty when you're one of the facts that need altering."  From
a story about mad computers and religious fanatics.
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Hartnell-Troughton Regeneration Sequence
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:43:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.211810.7501@intelhf.hf.intel.com> hilp@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.155132.7788@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>>... It says the Doctor regenerates in the TARDIS sleep  
>>augmentor, which is not what happens in the clip.
>
>Is the "sleep augmentor" the same as the "zero room" then?
>
>BTW, when was the first mention of the "zero room" under that
>name?  The first one I'm aware of was in _Castrovalva_, but
>I haven't seen most of the pre-Tom Baker episodes.
>
>Robin Hilp

The first mention of the Zero Room is in Castrovavlva.
To my knowledge it was never mentioned before that
and now that it has been ejected from the TARDIS
may never be mentioned again.  The sleep
augmentor from the book is not the zero room;
the book describes  it as a small cabinet
which the Doctor (says Ben) once described
as "compressing sleep".  Probably something
liek that oxygenated sleep chamber Michael Jackson
sleeps in.  Hey, maybe that's why his face changed;
he didn't have surgery, he regenerated!  :)

MYW
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu
 


-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
From: Ric_Goldman_-C@hqops.3mail.3com.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:12:00 GMT

ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian Aggie) wrote:
>Then there's Larry Niven's creation, "tanj" (There Ain't No Justice), 
>and "tanstaafl" (There's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch") whose origin I 
>don't know.

They're *both* from Larry Niven's various Known Space stories, tanj 
being a lot like d-mn, since you get folks swearing 'tanjit, tanjit, 
tanjit" and it isn't to cheer on the local sports team.

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