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From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Subject: Re: POPCORN
Followup-To: POPCORN
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:24:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.180200.19520@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert) writes:
>
>< ... discussion deleted ... >
>
>>THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!
>>I'm glad that I am not the only one who would
>>like to have a discussion without someone
>>criticizing my personal opinions.
>
>Well, I hate to criticize your opinion here (;-)!), but I personally would
>rather have a *real* dicussion in which: points are made, fallacies are
>pointed out, opinions are discussed, opposing viewpoints are made
>public, etc.  What you are suggesting will turn into a good-ole-boy
>let's all say the same thing and pat each other on the back.

That's not what I am saying at all.  I like to hear other
people's opinions about the corps.  When I state my opinion,
I make sure that everybody knows that it is just my opinion.
I have never said that my opinion is the only way that it
is.  If I know something to be true then I will tell you
that it is true.  But everything else is just MY opinion.


>My father always said, you won't get very far in life if you expect to
>agree with everybody - so don't let people think you agree if you don't.

I don't expect everyone to agree with everything that other
people say.  There would be no news groups if that is how
it was.

(stuff deleted)
>  I *like* when people
>challenge what I say.  A lot of times these challenges won't change my
>mind, but they do let me know that other people feel differently and
>why.  And I like to think that's part of what make the world an
>interesting place.

I feel the same way.

**Krista**

>Later,
>Bob
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: RE: Explanation please
Date: 26 Aug 1992 08:56:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

aa626@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Pugel) writes in article:
<1992Aug25.210605.11208@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
(Subject: Explanation please)
 
>My idea of the version of the hierarchy is:
> 
>        College (King)
>        High School (Queen)
>        Jr. High  (Prince)
 
>Where does DCI fit into the hierarchy?  Also, what are the
>requirements to join a DCI corps?   Is there age limits or what?
>Is it volunteer or do the musicinans get paid or what?
> 
>Also are there any DCI corps in the Cleveland area?
 
Don Chinn, it's time to post the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) 
again.  Perhaps you could even send it as a message directly to 
Paul, although it might overload Case Western Reserve University's
Message system (would it, Michael?).  Paul, the FAQ has the answers
to all your questions.  When Don Chinn (dci@cs.washington.edu) posts
it, read it!
 
As for where drum corps fits in your hierarchy, try Tsar, Sultan,
or Shah.  It's at a higher level (at least in terms of marching
performance) but its sphere of influence is entirely different
(hence the "Eastern" titles in place of Emperor).
 
Oh, the nearest DCI corps to Cleveland are the Bluecoats from
Canton, OH.  They may not be the best corps in Ohio, though.
Some of us think the Glassmen from Toledo are better.
 
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Subject: Re: Records and CD quality
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:22:40 GMT

In article <92247.125549MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>I'd also like to see more studio recordings of drum corps.
> 
>I know this would be very controversial, but I think the above suggestion is
>not a bad idea.  Think of the improvement in clarity that could be achieved
>if drum corps were recorded in a more controlled setting, say, one of the
>following alternatives:
> 
>  1. recorded live in front of a crowd, but in a fixed concert formation.

BD, SCV, their B corps, and Freelancers (maybe) did that this year.  SCV was
selling a tape recording of their shows and some percussion pieces.  I don't
remember the specifics because a friend of mine bought it at Preview
(I opted for "Blue Devils/Vanguard Championship Years").  It must have been
a recording from around April and I'm sure that it's not finals clean.
If a lot of poeple showed interest in the tape maybe DCI will catch on.

BTW, the "Blue Devils/Vanguard Championship Years" has every championship year
of the two corps on three discs.  It really is some great music on it, but 
they sold out of it at Preview (I was lucky enough to get to their booth
early).  Why doesn't DCI offer simmilar type disc specials.  
Just my $0.02.

>Mike Hughes

--David

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From: dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Explanation please
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:50:42 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Information Networks, Inc.

aa626@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Pugel) writes:


>What exactly is DCI?

Gosh, if there was ever a reason to shout "READ THE FAQ,"
this is it.
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Archive of this newsgroup now available for anonymous ftp
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:50:52 GMT

drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:

>These messages are now available via anonymous ftp from the host
>"oglala.stanford.edu" (IP address: 36.190.0.226).  The file to
>retrieve is called "pub/alt.drumcorps".  The size of the file is
>2,542,227 bytes.

First of all, thanks for providing this service, it is much appreciated.

After seeing the size of the file, wouldn't the size dramatically reduce
if you stored this in a compressed form.  I realize you may be using it for
online searches, but the FTP bandwidth saved may more than offset the
additional disk space required.

>I hope you enjoy the text.

Yes, and once again, thank you.  It's amazing how wrong my preseason
predictions were.  Looking over some of the older articles was quite
amusing.

Later,
Bob
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From: df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David James Foremsky)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Impressions--DCI Finalsdir
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:20:51 GMT
	<1992Sep1.234936.6439@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 01-Sep-92 in Re: Impressions--DCI
user phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.e writes:
>The time limit is shorter because of the space available on CDs.  12
corps will
>fit on 2 CDs, the top 24 on 4.  What a horror if we fill up those discs
>with long recordings, then have to put out half a disc for the 1 or 2 corps
>left out!

Geez, I hope this isn't the true motivation behind the shorter shows. 
Actually, the shows were made shorter long before DCI CD's were made.  I
believe the shows were shortened in 1986.  I don't know the true
motivation, though.  (after more thought, maybe it was to fit more into
the finals broadcast . . . though this would also be a poor reason to
reduce the shows)

By the way, the 1991 CDs had *seven* corps on each disc, meaning the top
21 fit on three.  I would personally rather deal with the "half-disc" if
the shows were made longer again.

deej
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Re: Drumcorps Sandwich
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.153224.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> 
>My feeling has always been that the shows a corps does, in order to win, must
>be difficult.  I've heard that the 70's and early 80's corps performed cleaner,
>but with less demand on the marchers.  This is what I've heard, since I've only
>been involved in DCI since '88.

It's very true.  SCV almost won in '84 with a drill my dog could have marched.
It was follow-the-leader for a good 1/3 of the show, but clean as a whistle.
That was the days of no-more-ticks and artsy-fartsy stuff. I left then and
didnt' see anither show until '89 - what a difference.  Drills that looked
like the needed match equations to prove they could on the field.

>> Don't get me wrong. Difficulty should be a factor in the shows, but not the
>> major factor. 

But it should be way up there.  You definitely don't waht to go back to the
days of clean and boring.  Trust me.

>Park and Blow isn't exactly an appropriate
>description of the Devils either, as they do move around.  Music alone will not
>get you into the top 5 for 18 straight years and the top 4 17 of those 18
>years.

Yea, but the most important guys in the Devils are those screamers up front
and how much do they actually move around?  You camp them on the front side
lines then fill your forms with middle horns and baritones - it's worked for
years.
--
Harry Koehnemann
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: awp24@cas.org (Alan Peacock)
Subject: Re: DCI recordings survey
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:01:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.004034.604@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>In my opinion, no.  As far as I can tell, all of my Video Express tapes
>(I have the high-camera tapes from 1988-on) are *NOT* encoded with Dolby
>surround.  I have never had access to a stereo recording of the PBS
>broadcast, so I can't speak there.  The only sound I get out of my back
>speakers is the normal L-R that you get from any stereo recording.
>(However, I listen to the tapes with a synthesized surround, and the
>effect is fairly neat.)  If the tapes are in Dolby surround, the effect
>is minimal.

 My Video Tapes of the 1991 show are in surround sound.  Yes, it is subtle
 because they did it correctly.  The back channel is the audience.  Here is
 the effect that I get:

     Corps performace from all front channels (in stereo)
     Commentator from center channel
     Audience (and some echo) from rear channel

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:25:33 GMT

In article <81797@bcsaic.boeing.com>, cdoser@bcsaic.boeing.com (Cathy Doser) writes:
> 
> What might be a good avenue is to start writing to Ted Turner and
> promote it as a family oriented show that he would want to cover
> on TBS or such. He could conceivably carry the regionals too! What
> 
Family oriented?  With what BD did this year and what Phantom did with their
closer last year. :-)  

					Charles Holt

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From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Archive of this newsgroup now available for anonymous ftp
Reply-To: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
Distribution: alt
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:45:33

Hello All,

I've been archiving this newsgroup for a few months now, and with
Michael Fath's generous help I now believe I have all messages that
have been sent to this group back to April 6th of this year.

These messages are now available via anonymous ftp from the host
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Please be kind to my machine: do not use ftp between 9AM and 5PM
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps Sandwich)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.041838.29849@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>In article <BtpG23.9Gs@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>
>>After marching in Spirit's drumline in '88, I started taking lessons from a
>>great percussionist from ASYO.  The first few months where spent fixing my
>>playing style that I had learned from Spirit.  Playing techniques of drum
>>corps are VERY different from playing orchestral music (for percussion at
>>least).  I would guess then that the reason that drum corps gets knocked is 
>>that it does no good for the "real" styles of playing.  BTW, this guy
>                              ^^^^^^            
>>marched Spirit in '81 so he wasn't hard on corps he was just truthful.
>
>What does "real" mean? I think you might want to delete the word "real"
>here, and insert "symphonic" or "orchestral". Also, I don't think that

Sorry if the humor didn't shine through.  The impression that I received
after marching Spirit was that it wasn't "real" drumming.  I agree with
the thread that says it just as real as set playing or any ethnic playing.

>learning one style should preclude you from being proficient at another.
>When you practice your tympani grip or work with 4 mallets, do you have 
>to go back and "relearn" your snare grip? I have heard the argument for 
>years that drum corps ruins your style and musical sensitivity. I just 
>don't by it. :-) I think your teacher is doing you a disservice if he is 
>telling you that any style is more legitimate than another.

All three styles mentioned above are all different.  Timpani playing
requires (or at least the style I was taught) the thumbs to be facing up.
Mallet playing is more like snare drum except that you hold them different.
My instructor did always stress the importants of practicing all three
disciplines of playing so that one style would not go over to the other.

>
>BTW: do you know Billy Hanes or Heath Lawless? I take it by your .sig
>that you are still undecided about where to march in '93. Give me a 
>shout if you have an interest in Cavaliers.
>
>--Brad.
>
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From: cdoser@bcsaic.boeing.com (Cathy Doser)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:20:45 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

I completely agree with you on this Michael. It has been one of my major
gripes with DCI for nearly 20 years. Why aren't there news releases to
the major news services and papers? Why don't they do more to promote
the activity that they make their money from? I know that they could
do a much better job then they presently do.

As to NBC, it is true that the production company only rents the trailer
from NBC, so there isn't much hope in that direction.
What might be a good avenue is to start writing to Ted Turner and
promote it as a family oriented show that he would want to cover
on TBS or such. He could conceivably carry the regionals too! What
does everyone think of that?

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From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Finals not on WGBH Boston?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:05:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)


A few weeks ago I posted a question asking if anyone knew when, or if,
WGBH (channel 2) in Boston would show the finals. Someone, I don't remember
who, responded that they would be on September 4. I just checked the listings
for September 4 and it is not there. Does anyone have any other info?
Email would be appriciated.
-- 
 Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jerger@d0msu7.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Percussion Techniques
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:03:22 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:36:31 -0400 
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps S
	<1992Aug26.150936.1115@hubcap.clemson.edu>

On 26-Aug-92 in Re: Original Corps Composit..
user Robert W Berry@hubcap.cl writes:
>>Other pieces that come to mind are:
> 
>Palookaville - 1991 Bluecoats
>(Shoot, I *KNOW* there are more, I just can't think of any right now.)
> 
Actually, Palookaville was first written for marching band.  (my HS band
played it the year before the 'Coats played it).

Still, though, the piece was originally written for the marching arts.

deej
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:20:39 GMT

In article <Sep.2.16.42.30.1992.19494@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>cdoser@bcsaic.boeing.com (Cathy Doser) writes:
>
>  I think that this would be a great idea.  He seems likely to be
>the one to grab onto since he goes out on a limb and brings us the ill 
>fated "Goodwill Games" (not a flame).  Just think of what he could do
>to lift Spirit's spirits! (no pun intented).
I think it will take a lot more than Ted Turner to lift Spirit up.  How
about getting Freddy Martin out of there.  While we are at it bring back
Mike Back for the percussion (or another instructor who can write good
music).  It really irritates me how Freddy Martin can do so many detrimental
things to the corps as director (or whatever his official title it) and get
away with it.
Tyrade over.
__David




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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Drum corps and the Media
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:06:48 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

One of my long standing gripes about DCI is their failure to generate publicity
for the drum corps activity outside of our tiny clique of corps/band 
enthusiasts.  I sometimes wonder how many of the current drum corps fans are
fans mainly because they marched in corps themselves or had family that marched.
I suspect that the number is very high and I take this to mean that drum corps
has almost ZERO exposure in the "real world".

This year, there will be the PBS broadcast of DCI top 6.  Is there any other
exposure of drum corps than this?  In this age of 100 channel cable TV and
the information explosion, why can't DCI manage to promote the drum corps
activity any better?

Let me give you some examples  --  you have your morning shows  (Today, Good
Morning America,  CBS This Morning) that love to do little segments on popular
culture.  When August rolls around, why doesn't DCI call them up and promote
the activity to them?  I mean, Willard Scott will promote the Boise Pig Calling
Festival if you send him a T-shirt for God's sake!

You have CNN and all the other news networks who also like to do human interest
stories.  We all know that drum corps can be a very positive educational 
experience for teenagers.  Why doesn't DCI promote the values of drum corps?

I remember seeing an NBC Sports trailer in Madison.  Does anybody know if/when
NBC Sports will be broadcasting something on it?  That is a start - but there
are so many possible ways to promote the drum corps activity to the rest of
the world.

I get tired of trying to explain to my friends and acquintances what the heck
drum corps is.  I believe that drum corps could be greatly recognized and
appreciated if the folks at DCI got off their duffs and showed the rest of the
world how exciting drum corps really is.

Well, how about that tirade!  

 
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: DCI recordings survey
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:07:10 GMT

awp24@cas.org (Alan Peacock) writes:

> My Video Tapes of the 1991 show are in surround sound.  Yes, it is subtle
> because they did it correctly.  The back channel is the audience.  Here is
> the effect that I get:

>     Corps performace from all front channels (in stereo)
>     Commentator from center channel

Aaahhhhh!!  You have the multi-camera tapes, no?  Here's the
difference.  After reading this I went through my tapes (all of which
are high camera) and there is definitely *NO* surround encoding.

>     Audience (and some echo) from rear channel

Doggonit, maybe this is a reason to order the multi-camera version.

Does anyone know if the older(?) tapes from 1984- are in Dolby surround?

Later,
Bob

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