HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:23:45 GMT

Jody Levine (jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca) wrote:
: 
: P.S. Nick, M'lud, I can't mail to you. BNR in Ottawa doesn't know who you 
: are, which is what is in your reply path, and using datasbld@bnr.uk doesn't
: work either.
: 
: Salut!
: 
: I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
:      got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
:                          ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Bonjour Jody, Cava?
              )

I've        address,                       like  | Nick Pettefar  DoD 1069 mm
     got an          you can        if you       | biker@spuddy.uucp
                             use it              | !uknet!axion!spuddy!biker
                                                 | BNR, Maidenhead, England
                                                 | ++628 794125 GMT+1 (usually)

Ciao!
From: dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BDIVOs in general
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:38:45 GMT
Reply-To: dboyd@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.173848.26320@twg.com> nolan@twg.com (Broderick Crawford)  
writes:
> 
> Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw
> Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197 
	

What's "woman's work"?

Diana

DIANA BOYD	"Walking with the spirit, talking with the spine
EVO Woman	 Mama sing, open up yourself when worlds align."
KLR Woman                                            -C. Whitley
From: dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why I ride
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:44:28 GMT
Reply-To: dboyd@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1ea37fINNjch@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard  
Osborn) writes:
> 
>      Why I Ride
> 
> I want to LIVE, not just exist.
> 
> -John


I like this post, thanks John.

I was at dinner awhile back with a brother that rides and his new girlfriend  
who doesn't approve. I didn't know that and innocently asked her if she rode.  
She replied, with a nastly sneer "No, I like my life." And I came back with:  
"Yes, well, I like to *live* my life."

To her credit she smiled and gave me the score-one-for-you sign.

Diana

DIANA BOYD	"Walking with the spirit, talking with the spine
EVO Woman	 Mama sing, open up yourself when worlds align."
KLR Woman                                            -C. Whitley
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: southern@sunny.cgd.ucar.edu (Lawrence Buja)
Subject: Moto-Guzzi project.
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:57:11 GMT

After wanting a Moto-Guzzi for years, I finally went and bought one up
last night.

It's a '78 V50 that has one foot in the basket and one on the road.
It's pretty much complete, but has suffered years of neglect at the
hands of the previous owner (PO).  My winter's project will be a
complete restoration of it.  This weekend I'm hauling it home where it's
gonna get disassembled down to the bare block, cleaned, measured,
repaired, flushed, lubed, repainted, buffed and reassembled.

There's some nice bits to it that I wasn't expecting when the PO first
described it; shaft drive, alloy rims and that nice jewel shaped Guzzi
gas tank.  I'm not looking to make a 105mph canyon-blaster out of it,
rather it's going to be a low entropy test-bed to restore and learn from
before giving it to Anne and stepping up to a big displacement project.
It should be fun.

So, can anyone recommend any sources in the US for either new or used
Moto-Guzzi parts?  Does anyone have a V50 parts bike?  And is there a
national club?

/\      Lawrence Buja           Climate and Global Dynamics Division
  \_][  southern@ncar.ucar.edu  National Center for Atmospheric Research
      \_________________________Boulder,_Colorado___80307-3000__________
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:56:37 GMT

In article <BxzJwI.AB@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu writes:
[lots of "evidence" how helmets don't limit the peripheral vision of helicopter
pilots]
|I assume that you are travelling at psuedo-legal speeds and not at DoD-nominal
|which appears to be somewhere between 100 and 150 mph.  If you are foolish 
|enough to ride at over 150 feet per second then no amount of peripheral
|vision will help you.

  I swear I must be surround by a lot of people whose reading comprehension
ability is right up there with a bowling ball...

  I mentioned, no less than three separate and distinct times in the posting
you are responding to, that I was seeing a helmet as a liability at LOW speeds,
and I went on to state (very clearly) that I was quantifying this as speeds
less than 30-40 mph.  I fail to see the parallel with a helicopter pilot, whose
cockpit restricts his vision more than the helmet is likely to, anyway.  I've
got a friend that teaches Apache flying techniques - I suppose if you want to
discuss the visibility from that helmet (which is clearly what you are
referring to), I could ask him - too bad it has little to do with the
situation of motorcycle riding.

Concerning road debris:

  Now, I don't know about you, but I always wear SOME form of eye protection, 
whether it be shatterproof sunglasses, etc.., so dust and dirt (as you mention)
are not a major factor any more than they are when you are walking down the
street.  For that matter, I've gotten dust and dirt in my eye when wearing a
helmet, so that is not a major difference.

  I am very happy that you have some experience via a second hand source in
the area of human factors engineering, but I'm of the strong opinion that it
might be *easier* and more accurate to evaluate this first hand, as I have,
rather than try to predict it based on "evidence" from an unrelated source.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Another fine product from the DoD
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:35:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 11617@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>
>	4" round, heavy fibreboard (76 pt, for those who know or care)
>
>Projected cost, at this time, is $.50 US per each, plus shipping.

This sounds almost...   disposable!

I don't know about y'all, but I for one just cannot bear the thought of
that bright and vibrant countenance staring up from the bottom of some
garbage heap, besmearched by rotten tomatoes, beer poser vomit, and
Harley oil.

Geeky is not to be used and discarded!  He is not a slut daemon, unlike
certain other DoD mascots, who, having been passed from biker to biker
at innumerable drunken orgies, finally flies off in search of that
studly eagle seen on so many of her lovers' jackets.

Would you print the image of Mike Hailwood on the bottom of an oil
pan?  Bill Dorsey on a traffic citation carbon copy?  Jody Levine on a
bikini-clad pin-up calendar?  Chris BeHanna on an EPA noise
certification certificate?  John Osborn on a Colorado Travel Bureau
Brochure?

I think not!

Let us pause and consider the consequences of this rash action.  There
must be some shred of decency upheld in the world.  Some things simply
must remain reverent and sacrosanct, if only in contrast to our own
meager, pitiful lives.

I leave us each to ponder the fate of our beloved Geeky...



PS - Jonathan, if this thing flies, I'll take a couple dozen for the
next beer bust...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan)
Subject: Re: i can't believe i'm getting into this (was RE: HELMETS)
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:21:50 GMT

cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (Kyle Cassidy) says:
>
>night after reading about a zillion posts in this thread i went home and put
>on my shoi rf-200 and actually _looked_ around and the result of my
>experiment lead me to conclude that the loss of vision is _insignificant_. i
>was _aware_ of a black rim around my field of vision, but it wasn't blocking
>anything that i could have seen anyway....

I've just tried the same experiment with my Bieffe helmet.  At first I
thought you were right, but after doing some careful experiments I'm
convinced that there is some peripheral vision lost with a helmet on.
In fact, just the fact that you are _aware_ of the black rim, means
that anything beyond the rim, which you would be aware of without the
helmet, is lost with the helmet on. While you cannot really _see_ with
your peripheral vision, it is sensitive to change (eg moving objects).

I guess different helmets and different shaped faces influence the
results.  However, for all those people who _are_ aware of the rim, it
comes down to a personal choice about whether the safety aspects of
wearing a helmet counter the safety aspects of not wearing one (except
of course in most places the law has made the decision for us).

Finally, whatever arguments might be put about in favour of not
wearing a helmet, I am pretty sure, having tried it twice (booked the
second time) that most people who choose not to wear a helmet do not
do it for carefully considered safety reasons, they do it cause it
feels bloody nice.

Be seeing you!

Patrick.

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Patrick Jordan             |      _                        |
CSIRO Divn of Radiophysics |    // \   I am not a number,  |  1973 Guzzi 850GT
NSW, Australia             |   /( 6 )  I am a free man.    |
pjordan@rp.csiro.au        |  () \_/   (DoD # excepted)    |  DoD #0765
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:12:56 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article 1992Nov19.200105.12133@megatek.com Randy Davis writes
things like (to Mike Serafin):

>Really.  Are you really this stupid?

>If you would bother reading my posting a LITTLE closer, instead of being
>such a knee-jerk asshole.

>Oh, MIKE, you are just SO much more intelligent than I...
>I must supplicate myself to your superior intelligence...  I'm SO ashamed...

>The mind boggles at your stupidity for flaming me on this topic.

>Have a nice life, Mike...

Who do you expect to take guys like you serious?

And when you write that (about a helmet):
>- it only protects one's head
I start to wonder about the priorities of your bodyparts Randy.
Of course you can fuck up most of your bodyparts when crashing, but
this is not a good reason for underestimating the safety of wearing
a helmet!

Geir

| Geir Solvang
| Email: geirs@cee.hw.ac.uk
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:53:47 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
]While nothing can prepare you for weirdness like the suicidal guy
]blowing through the STOP sign and broadsiding the biker recently, *you*
]can at least be prepared to SIPDE better than the unfortunate victim
]of the accident you describe. Chances are she either wasn't scanning
]as effectively as possible, or she stayed too far off the front brake
]in the fear of locking it up. 'Least that's what the statistical lies
]say.

she (the 15yr old) was a passenger, it was a he driving. the guy driving 
the car was sighted for two counts of something, attempted manslaughter I 
think and DWI. the impact ripped the bike driver's strap buckle from the
helmet.

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org                                 Austin, TX
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:06:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.172201.6784@znext.cts.com> erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) writes:
>
>	There is but one bike for such nonsense! The Kawasaki Concours.
>Eats up miles with the greatest of ease, hard luggage, excellent wind
>protection too. A Goldwing would be more comfy for sure, though I'm not
>sure I'd want to try piloting such a rig on the Alaskan "highway". Yikes. 
>

While I agree that there are a multitude of motorcycles that would do this,
has anyone (particularly those who say that the Gold Wing wouldn't handle 
the rough stuff) ever riden a Wing? I personally have ridden with a pack
of sport bikes. Some that I couldn't keep up with, but there were alot 
behind me that couldn't keep up with me. The Gold Wing handles surprizingly
well. I have met a guy who runs a motorcycle tour of Alaska and he uses
Gold Wings. The winner of the Iron Butt for the last however many years
has been on a Gold Wing.

Ride what you enjoy riding. For whatever reasons you enjoy riding it. 
For my money, a 10,000 mile trip should be done on a Gold Wing!

Jolly Roger


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:43:53 GMT

>> In article <1992Nov12.195442.7180@spdc.ti.com>, crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>> ...For me, the best *safety* features of a helmet
>> |> are the things it does to help keep me *out* of accidents.  These   
>> |> include:
>> |> 	     Shedding wind, rain, rocks, bugs
>> |> 	     Reducing noise fatigue
>
>Ah, rethink the wind-noise issue.  It's likely that most helmets
>still admit enough noise to cause permanent hearing loss if you
>ride over 30mph.  Excellent article concerning this available.
>(Thanks to a MN DoDer who sent it to me.  I would be happy to
>copy and forward it.)

I have an NOJ Quiet Rider on my RF108 Shoei.  It makes a *big* 
difference.  However, when I ride far and fast, I still wear
ear plugs.  The noise level makes a significant difference in how
alert I feel after a few hours riding.  I'd appreciate an e-mail
of the article if you still have it.  
Thanks,
Mark Crowder                                            crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
|Disclaimer:  The advice/comments |"Dear Lord, give me chastity and self- |
|expressed above may occasionally |restraint ... but not yet, O Lord, not |
|be worth what you paid for them. |yet!"   -- St Augustine, A.D. 354-430  |
From: marrevola@iris-dcp.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: comprar una moto
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:12:14 +0100
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <1992Nov12.223921.25583@dcc.uchile.cl>, jpalacio@dcc.uchile.cl (Jose Fuentealba Palacios) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Me gustaria saber en que devo fijarme a comprar
> una honda xr o xl (enduro , cross) que esta usada y es del
> ano 1985 aproximadamente..
> 
> 
> 		Si soy yo en espanol denuevo...
> 
> 			RichiE.
> 					gracias

	Mira el posible ruido de valvulas y de piston para hacerte una idea del
estado del motor. Para ver el estado de las suspensiones comprueba primero si
estan mal de hidraulico (reventadas) dando un golpe seco en el asiento trasero,
si vuelve suave esta bien sino, es posble que este reventada (idem la
horquilla). Mira los posible llantazos y grietas en el chasis (sobre todo en la
pipa de direccion).
Suerte.

manolo@taf.fundesco.es
ZX-11
DR-600-S
DoD #1033
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Invite young and energetic dealers to cooperations
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:41:38 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


 (adis@adis.msk.su) wrote:
: ---
:    The biggest Motorcycle Plant in Europe offers its products:
:
<specs deleted>
 
:   PRICES:   MORE THEN MODERATE FOR MOTORCYCLES OF THIS CLASS
:             DNEPR-11:     1695 $
:             DNEPR-16:     1895 $
: 
:   FEATURES:  REABILITY AND ENDURANCE. MOTORCYCLES ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
:              HEAVIEST-DUTY OPERATING CONDITIONS (THEY WERE USED IN THE
:              SOVIET ARMY NOT ACCIDENTALLY).
: 

So Arnie, is this a DoD product possibility or what?  Wonder if they would 
consider a special DoD paint job for a large enough order. . . 
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* DoD #496  Bikes past and present: CB175, CB550F, Norton 750, CB350F, XV535  *
*******************************************************************************
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: 70's supersonic Kawasaki blue-smokers
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:09:34 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Special thanks to Dan Sorenson for the information that led to this
announcement.

There is a very high probability that I will soon be the new-old owner
of a '72 Kawasaki H2 Mach IV. 750 ccs of pure evil, all original in
mint condition, original blue paint. Same moto for all intents and purposes
as I had in '73. This time I think I'll keep it for more than a week. :-)

I think it will get along nicely in my garage with the ZX-11 From Hell, no?

The question is, do I dare ride it, or, do I dare not. <grin>

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Suicidal cager
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:41:22 GMT

In article <22370@drutx.ATT.COM>, pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith) writes:
|> Yesterday, there was a bizarre story in the news here in Denver.
|> 
|> James Pedlar was apparently attempting suicide by running his
|> car into a large elm tree at high speed in urban Denver.  He ran
|> a stop sign enroute to the tree.  Matthew Burke, a father of four,
|> had just bought a new motorcycle, and was on his way to a friend's
|> house to show it off.  He had the misfortune to be in the intersection
|> at exactly the wrong time.  Burke was killed instantly.  Ironically,
|> Pedlar did still succeed in hitting the tree, but he was only slightly
|> injured.  Police found a suicide note in the pocket of his jacket on
|> the car seat.

I think he should get the gas chamber for that.
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Alaska Route (was What would you ride on a long distance trip?)
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:52:34 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady) writes:
>Recently I've been thinking about taking a long distance solo ride -- a ride to
>Alaska from my home in New Hampshire. I'd ride the Trans-Alaska Hwy through
>Canada (my 2nd favourite country, and sometimes my most!), go up through the
>Territories to Dawson, over to Circle, down to Fairbanks, then Anchorage. From
>there, I'll take the state ferry to Sitka and Juneau, then down to Vancouver,
>into the Pacific Northwest, then trundle my way back across the USA to New
>England.

This isn't answering your question, but will address the planning
aspects of your trip.

Unless the ferry system changed this year, you can't take a state ferry
from Anchorage to Sitka/Juneau.  You can drive from Anchorage to
Portage, hop on the train (with your bike) to Whittier, cruise through
Prince William Sound on the State Ferry to Valdez, drive the highway to
Skagway/Haines and then take the Ferry to Juneau, etc.

According to my Milepost, it appears that there is only about 50 miles
of unpaved road (not withstanding the continuous maintenance that occurs
due to the extreme conditions).

Anybody planning on doing this trip should get The Milepost.  It has
detailed information on the Alaska Highway and other highways/ferry
routes throughout the Canadian Northwest and Alaska.



-- 
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  
----------------------------------------------------------------------
		     "Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives"
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ZX-11 front brake.
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:27:00 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Tuesday November 17 1992 08:44, marrevola@iris-dcp.es wrote to All:

 me> Any advice to improve the front brake performance of a ZX-11?

Well, from personal experience (not necessarily best, just mine):

1) Ferodo pads
2) SS brake lines (remove the T junction, run to double banjo at master)
3) Throw the Tokico away and put on real brakes. :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:39280 ba.motorcycles:846
From: johng@informix.com (John Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: KEVLAR suits, any good?
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:02:37 GMT
Organization: Galloway Research

I have no direct experience with suits, but I would look carefuly with regard
to where they use KEVLAR.  A recent article in Mororcyclist on gloves included
a report on a call to DuPont to ask about KEVLAR.  DuPont said that
KEVLAR is NOT particulaly strong in abrasion resistance.  So its great
for impact, or tensile strength (like bullet proof vests, or thread in
anything) but its not going to stand up to well if you grind it into the
highway.  Now it might not be any WORSE than other substitutes, but
(according to the article) it is not as abbrasion resistant as good old
leather.  So beware of uses primarily by the marketing dept.
	-jrg
In article <1992Nov14.033354.1@slc.slac.stanford.edu> jah@slc.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>Greetings,
>
>        I would like to find out what your opinions are about the 
>various KEVLAR riding suits on the market. I've seen/heard of three
>diferent brands. AEROstitch, Motosport, and Marsee. I've yet to see
>[lines deleted]
>
>Thanks,
>        Josh
>
>/ Joshua Hadler                     | Everything expresed here is the  \
>| Accelerator Operations            | opinion of the idiot that wrote  |
>| Stanford Linear Accelerator Center| it, namely ME. So don't go suing |
>\ jah@slc.slac.stanford.edu         | the DOE, they don't care...      /


-- 
internet    jrg@galloway.sj.ca.us  John R. Galloway, Jr  795 Beaver Creek Way
applelink   D3413                  CEO...receptionist    San Jose, CA   95133
                                   Galloway Research     (408) 259-2490
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikes Indoors and Riding with Gas
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:10:25 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]Generally, if I have to bring in a gas tank, I either empty it into the
]tank of the cage first, or leave it on the balcony.

just a thought, we all realize that an empty tank is more likely to
explode than a full one, right? or have we also washed the tank out
before bringing it in?

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com