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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Baffled by Copperfield
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:53:14 GMT
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University


>He did this trick when his show came to Austin last fall.  The auditorium
>the show was in has 3 balconys.  I was seated in the 3rd balcony which
>extremely high-- you were almost looking directly down onto the stage.
>Anyway you could see into the "squeeze box".  The trick is the fake feet
>with white socks on that were sticking out the end of the box.  When he
>was getting out of the box, you could see him pull the fake feet back
>in.  Also, the feet are wiggling in a very constant, rythmic pattern --
>they are obviously motorized.

> - Alan

I thought the feet were pretty obvious also.  But where did he put HIS body.

Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu

"Vyv,Vyv, can you like actually kill yourself with laxative pills?"
                               Neil -The Young Ones
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: magicmat@buhub.bradley.edu (Matthew Phillips)
Subject: Re: David C.
Keywords: flying
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 21:34:45 GMT


A response to 2 things....

The airplane illusion works about the same ass the train...and, as both
are done surrounded, black art is out of the question. (See the vanishing
Ferrari or vanishing motorcycle for black art!)

As far as the flying trick, yes, DC's CG and connection point is at his
waist. In carrying the plant, if you look at the film, he is leaning 
forward far more than without her. Most of her weight is below the 
connection point though, so he won't completely flip over.


AALSO...I'm looking to talk to someone who has been involved in the 
production of a full length magic show...(ie 1.5 hours). Email me at 
the below address.

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From: Paul.Haban@dartmouth.edu (Paul Haban)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: accomplices ethical?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:41:07 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

*SIGH*
I used to believe that the use of accomplices was somehow unethical.  I
also used to believe that the use of gimicks indicated some lack of
talent.  After a few years of practice and studying performance, I dont
think anything could be farther from accurate.  I mean lets follow the
original logic 
  -accomplices are unethical
  -gimicks are unethical
follows
  -slight of hand should be in the same category
which leaves...
   Real Magic...time to move the discussion to alt.magick or pagan or
whatever...

Seriously... we are creating the illusion that we can do something that
others cannot... we are lying to your audience... we are decieving
them...Magicians are just benevolent liars... I cannot agree that
gimicks, audience plants, elaborate off stage apparatus, or anything
else you come up with is somehow unethical... we create
illusion...personally I like to do close up, so my off stage is non
existent... but if you can pull it off, do it... there are no rules...
we lie through illusion...

sigh...I guess it is time to get off this soapbox and let someone else
talk about how there is no display of skill if anything but pure slight
is used...

Paul Haban
aka
Alexander R. Kane
The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: magicmat@buhub.bradley.edu (Matthew Phillips)
Subject: Re: accomplices ethical?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 02:17:45 GMT


Why would you think that using stooges is unethical? Is using a 
mirror unethical? Using strings? Hidden doors? No...these are all
secrets of the trade. As far as the camera angle on Niagra, I guess
it comes down to, what is the definition of a camera trick? (Yours
is obviously different than what DC thinks!) I'm sure you're then 
aware that you can see Dave on the ground WAVING GOODBYE to the raft
as it goes into the water.Hmmm... Another good example of a 'camera'
trick is the train levitation...if they had used a camera angle more
to the right as in the beginning of the trick, one would be less than 
amazed... but this is also true of any of the tricks, as with the right
camera angle, almost any of them would be exposed.

(Why doesn't anyone post on here anymore?!)

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From: hypes@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:36:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Kennedy's Hard Head..
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy

For many years, French politicians - notably Charles DeGaulle - felt it
was virtually a requirement for office that you be able to trace your
lineage back to Joan de Arc...

- gary hypes -
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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: NUMEROUS RESPONSES. . . .from. . . .Ralph Winston!
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:30:30 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <1992Mar29.060734.16926@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
(Stan Krieger) writes:
> 
> In article <gate.aV1BiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston)
writes:
> >UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
> Thank you very much for at least responding to some of our rebuttals
> to your postings;  I noticed you totally ignored responding to many
> of them since you cannot refute them (as they are the truth).
 
> Now you son of a bitch, get rid of that anti-Semitic trailer on
> b-cpu postings and mail.

He should change it to "STUPIFIED" BY THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE, or
"BLIND" BUT THAT'S FINE, or what about "HEY, I'M JUST A SKINNY RUNT WHO'S
CHASED BY ZIONISTS, FBI, KGB AND THE TUPPERWARE SPIES".

Cheers,
Kent
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Where's bARF?
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 19:12:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <702489611.F00002@blkcat.UUCP> Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:
> v> Has any else noticed the absence of bARF on this and related forums
> v> as of late?
>
> v> Do you think maybe it has something to do with the increase in the
> v> number of "George Winston/Pete Faust/Ralph Winston" postings lately?
>
> v> Hmmmm....
>
>Oh yeah!  Once he/they figured out that bARF was the wrong alias to use
>in their postings...they retired bARF to the same B-CPU gas chamber Foxy
>Roxy awoke to find herself in.  Else it was a mutual suicide pact.
>One can only dream...
>
    I don't think so. bARF was making headlines in Illinois for
    growing weeds in his back yard, insisting (I guess) on his
    consitutional right to live like a slob. But "Ralph Winston"
    et al seem to be based in Portland, Oregon. Different Nazis,
    I think.

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

     "In the 1970's the world will undergo famines - hundreds of millions
     of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs 
     embarked upon now ... in 1985, when it is calculated [under the most
     optimistic scenario] that the major die-back will be over, ..."
       
                       Dr. Paul Ehrlich, "The Population Bomb," 1968

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:6151 alt.censorship:3187 alt.discrimination:1382 soc.history:3496 sci.research:480
From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research
Subject: Re: Leuchter Wins Tactical Victory in Legal Battle -- Charges Removed!
Keywords: nazi trash
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:33:47 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Mar31.065945.18875@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>, kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> >UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
> 
> nazi trash.
> 
> >Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.
> 
> We will keep that in mind.
>
They're not "just following orders" then?
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:6422 talk.politics.misc:18481 soc.culture.filipino:1566 soc.history:3653
From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino,soc.history
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:31:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr16.173156.19864
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino,soc.history
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

Mark Twain wrote against American Imperialism in the Phillipines with all
the eloquence and venom he could command. For his accounts read "A Pen
Warmed Up In Hell: Mark Twain in Protest" as well as a previously unpublished
piece which appeared in the mos`t recent Atlantic.

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JBS Haldane:"I'm not sure, but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Silence of the Lambs
Summary: Silence of Lambs not on a level with JFK
Keywords: fraud hoax fix deceit unfair
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:06:44 GMT


In the process of watching "The Silence of the Lambs."
Preliminarily, how oh how could they give this movie Best Picture
over Stone's JFK? Stone's movie is epochal in that it dares to
treat its audience as adults by asking thought-provoking
questions. Especially, it has an Edward R. Murrow breakthrough
quality. The Truth crushed into the earth rises again.

"Silence of the Lambs" -- Strong push for feminism. Ridiculous
exaltation of the criminal and un-American FBI organization (as
also in "Mississippi Burning"). The FBI to the rescue.... ha!
what a laugh! Stick to chasing video pirates, FBI.

Trite and shallow psychology -- for good psychology see "Cape
Fear."

Jodie Foster is ho-hum. I don't see any great star quality. It is
as if Hinckley was in a weird way good for her career. We support
her as a protest against random violence.

I give the movie 2.5 stars. Not a total loss but really *not* a
great movie; definitely not Best Picture calibre.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino,soc.history
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:09:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.190741.12928@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU  -  Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

Sorry about posting. I think my email is broken...
Anyway, is this the Huk Rebellion that is being discussed?
If so, any more info?

Thanks

Hap



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:23:35 GMT

In article <gate.Be5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:

[Nazi drivel deleted].


-How many B-CPU boys does it take to change a light bulb?

Three. One to replace the bulb, one to wipe Pete Faust's saliva of the
keyboard, and one to post an article blaming the evil Jewish^H^H^H^H^H^H
Zionist conspiracy for burning the old bulb out.

-Danny Keren.






Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: bishop@netcom.com (Mike Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Smear campaign
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:46:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>These anonymous acusers of Brown have no credibility at all. Part of
>the rights of the defender as part of the Constitution is the right of
>the defenders to face their accusers in a public court.

This is true, but since when did laws apply to anything the government does?
ie, there are laws against a "debtors prison" however if you owe the irs money,
they can put you in prison without a trial by a jury of your peers.. even
without a trial at all..  now as far as anonymous accusers, what about rape
victims? they are not identified commonly because it would hurt them, but it's
ok to say a lot about the accused.

>The fact that these people are hiding behind anonymity under he guise
>of 'personal protection' doesn't give their argument one bit of
>credibility.

I think equating anonimity with credibility is a bit unfair.  does this mean
that all of the anonymous tips that the police get should be ignored because
if the people wont identify themselves, they must be afraid of someone finding
out that they are lying.. 

isn't lying and discrediting the other candidates what politics is all about?
after all, if these politicians were actually competant, they would focus on
themselves and their abilities rather than to focus on the supposed
incompetance of the other politicians?

--
Mike Sherwood
bishop@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Christic Vows to keep fantisizing, etc.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:55:39 GMT


In this thread Rich Winkel has with the best of intentions wasted
bandwidth casting pearls before swine, and cowardly swine at that.
Well, I guess if you have to debate the kind of people who post
anonymous, ignorant, and abusive messages on important subjects,
maybe the rest of can learn a little from your facts - which 
brings me to the actual point of this post.

Are any excerpts of the testimony in the Hull case available in
form suitable for posting? I'd be especially interested in seeing
whatever bis available on the background and involvement of CIA
covert-ops specialist Theodore Shackley. His name appears in some
of the POW investigatory material in connection with Southeast
Asia Heroin trafficing, in collaboration with mob figure Santos
Trafficante. 

As I follow the Danny Casolaro case, and particularly since I
found out that Casolaro had been investigating the POW's as well
as the more publicized aspects of his research, I've been 
wondering if he might have gotten fatally close to a Shackley
connection.

I'd really like to see more on this guy, as well as any other 
interesting details to surface during the Hull case.

Thanks,
Steve
From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: 1 WBAI: Harvard Harbors The Adolf Eichmann of Guatemala: Heinous Hector
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 09:20:00 -0500

Hello Robert!

 >> My guess is that you don't know how terrible the situation is
 >> in Guatemala.
 RB>
 RB>   My guess is that you're so far unfamiliar with the modus operandi
 RB> of "John A DiNardo".

Well, just what is that modus operandi...besides him showing us that he can
transcribe old broadcast material with the best of them?
From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: JPFO Jews ("anti-Semites"??) *AGREE* with "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?"!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:02:19 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)


		From The Liberated Intellectual, Oct. 15, 1991

			RALPH WINSTON IS ELIZA RUNNING AMUK

    PARIS (WPI) -- A dramatic discovery in Artificial Intelligence, in the late
60s, by Kazar Prof.  Weizenbaum of MIT, the Eliza program, has run amuk, accor-
ding to Shaklee Batahat, a University professor.

    Batahat is best known for his hundreds of trial runs of Eliza, which have
been massively reported in various scientific journals, and most notably the
annals of the IHR, the Institution for Holographic Reprography, which recently
reedited the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Idaho", in colors (except
black).

    These experiments had resulted in a typology of families of runs of
Eliza, called "the Sons of Eliza", and identified with such names as Ralph The
Banished CPU Winston, Jack the Ripper Schmidling, Fred the Henchman Leuchter
(who was the inspiration for the famed "Freddie" horror movie series) and
others.

    Batahat reports increased signs of paranoia, worship of power, obedience
and loyalty to the computer operator making the runs, demands of unquestioning
obedience from the forked programs, rigidity, denial of identity of others,
perfectionism.  All such runs eventually ended in a major computer crash.

    Batahat warns that Eliza, when run from a computer on UUCP or Internet,
manages to send on Usenet over and over again reprints of old articles
intermixed with their own output.  Anti-viral programs (aka KILL files) are
currently being developped.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: AGAIN, Fred Leuchter's Findings on the FAKE (NO, REAL) "Gas Chambers"
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 17:23:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.051202.15631@anasaz# briand@anasaz (Brian Douglass) writes:
#In article <1992Apr2.181657.15007@cs.brown.edu# dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
##
##I don't know how longer this idioticity is going to be carried on.
##
##----------------------------------------------------------------------
##The "Leuchter report" is BULLSHIT, and bullshit remains bullshit even
##if posted a hundred times.
##---------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#Worse than that, it's just bad science.  
#
##
##As stated here, IT TAKES MUCH LONGER EXPOSURE TO HCN (which Zyklon-B
##releases) to kill lice than to kill people. For the SAME concentration
##of HCN people die in LESS THAN 5 MINUTES, while to kill lice and
##clothes moths, bugs etc takes MANY HOURS (up to a day).
#
#Specifically, HCN in a quantity of 200-500 parts per million is fatal 
#within 30 minutes, killing by a means of inhibiting cellular oxidation 
#(blood can't pick up oxygen) causing the victim to essentially sufficate 
#to death.

True indeed. However, this is the *minimal* concentration causing death,
therefore taking 30 minutes. The same concentration as used for delousing
(5-15 grams per meter cube) kills in less than 5 minutes. 

Perhaps someone out there knows the dose used in execution gas chambers
in the US - certainly death is much swifter than 30 minutes.

A simple calculation shows that the homicidal gas 
chambers were exposed to HCN for a period of time approximately 50
times shorter than the delousing chambers, which explains why there are
less traces of cyanic compounds (together with the fact that they were
blown up and exposed to weather conditions, including acid rain, which
dissolves the cyanides. This is clearly stated in the Polish institute's
report. Natrually, B-CPU blames the Polish experts for lying becuase
they were "kissing up to the Zionists", and "have to get loans to rebuild
their country and the Zionists control international banking"). 

-Danny Keren.

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:6170 alt.activism:7398
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: SILENT CRISIS -- The U.S. Constitution is in Danger 3/4
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:19:19 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

>>U o' C Law Skool   +  a fraternity is about, we take people and put them in
>>Chi, IL 60637      +  one room and say 'You will become friends!'" -- AH Betts
> 
>You missed the point.  The banking industry had been trying to get the
>usury amendment repealed through the legislature for years, and opinion
>polls showed the people were *strongly* against its removal.  Yes, it
>was a bad law, and yes, it had to be removed someday, and the people
>were wrong in opposing its removal.
> 
>If the banking industry had been honest, and campaigned on that issue,
>the constitutional convention would never have been called.  Instead,
>they publicized a small, relatively inexpensive flaw in the
>constitution, and campaigned against it without disclosing their true
>motives.
> 
>If we ever have a U.S. Constitutional Convention, look for people of
>all stripes to run like mad to be delegates, even if they oppose the
>phony "balanced-budget" amendment.  Once that is disposed of, they will
>seek to write their own agendas into the Constitution, and that scares
>me.
>

That is EXACTLY the point that I think Ted has overlooked. What guarantee
have we received in the last 100 years that would show us that Congress
CAN be trusted with such an undertaking? What STATESMAN do we have currently
that would seek to PRESERVE "We the People"'s rights?
 
People like MacNamara and Cutler are NOT looking after OUR interests. WHOM
might a ConCon *benefit*?
 
We MUST be watchful..lest we end up with the NSC's form of "freedom"
and that absolutely HORRIBLE SLAVERY called "Technocracy".
 
I say NO! To a ConCon..PRESERVE AND SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE. 
 
Don


-- 
-* Don Allen *-               // Only   | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age"
Internet: dona@bilver.uucp  \X/ Amiga   | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED
UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona  | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone"
"A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free"  - Thomas Jefferson
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,alt.activism
Subject: Inept ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 01:34:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island
Keywords: nazi trash
Summary: maybe some training would help?      

In article <12083.29ecec94@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>But it won't happen. I wish these nebulous "THOUGHT POLICE" would take
>their job seriously turn these guys off the net >:)

See my new .sig - life looks brighter every day :-)

<Have a nice weekend>

-- 
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> UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
"how come the awesome zionist machine hasn't managed to even squash a
little turd such as yourself?" (martin@pharoah.cyborg.bt.co.uk)