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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan24.4477.38392@dosgate> "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
>
>MZ>I have just returned from a high street computer store down here and the
>MZ>manager told me the A1200's will no longer be produced by Commodore in 
>MZ>a couple of mnths. 

Well, there *can* be truth in it, but in a different way, and I don't have
any more facts than this: The A4000 (at least the samples for Europe) is
also "not produced by Commodore", but obviously by some other company, the
name of which I don't know. Fact is they come from Scotland, and Commodore
definitely has no factory there. So take this "produced by Commodore" in
this sense and it's no thing to worry about.

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WANTED: info on ftp addresses for Fred Fish disks
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:18:38 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <1993Jan24.234656.10156@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor) writes:
:In article <1jv0efINN49f@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
:>:
:>:	Well out of shear laziness I'll post.   The three I like to use are:
:>:
:>:	wuarchive.wustl.edu
:>:	isca02.isca.uiowa.edu
:>:	ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
:>
:>Uh, ux1 just changes their address (a little ) and the above one will no
:>longer work.  The new address is:
:>
:>	ftp.cso.uiuc.edu
:>
: I'm sorry to say, but I think *you* are mistaken; I just used my old alias to
:	pop over to ux1, and it still works... even the site name is the same 
:	(as opposed to ftp.apple.com, which connects you to bric-a-brac...)

Well, in a post on one of the other comp.sys.amiga. groups, this is the
information I received.  They said that the old address will not work
soon as they were changing the address, and were trying to get people to
use the new one.  But I say, if it still works use it (but just in case
,you might want to keep this one in mind).

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: University of New South Wales
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:27:19 GMT



	One of the thing that impress me most about the Amiga is how well
it emulates a MAC. You love the features of the the Amiga and the mac.
You still have an A3000, Amax will be the best buy you will ever make.
As long as you don't want color your fine. So comeing back to what's so good
about the Amiga. It runs mac software at near 100% compatibility. something
a Quadra can't say. Oh a question for Mac people. I say Xmas lemmings on a 
Mac IIci and it was SO SLOW my old A500 literaly blows it away. I think
the mac does too much of the thinking for you. A while ago I wanted to 
unbinhex a file and the name of the file would not appear in the requester
of the decompressing program because the file creator had been altered !!!
If it was a command line I could force it. I had to use some tools to HEX edit
it to get around it. On all counts I'd go for and Amiga 4000 with scsi, and 
Amax. Roumor has it that colour can be expected. There is another Emulator
by the name Emplant that opens a screen and runs the mac in pralell. But
this one is a bit flaky at the moment. It is constantly improving though
and should be very practical by the end of this year. Along with a scsi
Amiga4000 you have a Quadra at a price that would freak anyone. You will still
have your Amiga though so you wont feal bad and your bos wont fire you,
or is that an IBM add :-)

	Regards George

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Move
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<1993Jan21.233222.10922@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
	<C18nBG.Dtu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <root.03hn@rkamiga.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:22:58 GMT

>>>>> On 23 Jan 93 17:26:29 EST, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) said:

Rick> In a recent article in Business Week where they were talking about Novell
Rick> buying USL, they stated that 20% of Intel based boxes are running UNIX.
Rick> And there are lots of other platforms running UNIX.

That would make 20+ million Unix boxes...it can't be that much.
Even Microsoft would make UNIX software if there were that many UNIX
boxes! 

I think either you or Business Week got it wrong.
Maybe they said that "20% of UNIX boxes are Intel based"?? Although that
figure sounds too low.

-Heikki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:47:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan24.212128.6773@desire.wright.edu> jdemers@desire.wright.edu writes:
> Thing I never understood, why is it that I never seem to see a Greenpeace
>spokesman with a degree in the area he is talking about? they all seem to be
>non-technical people. Is this just an impression I'm getting?

I get the same impression. I wnet to a very very liberal school and there
were a lot of Greenpeace types there. They were mostly "art" students
who couldn't point and click there way out of a wet paper bag.

Although there were a few who were biology and ecology students, and they
really knew their stuff. The rest were clueless.

Ian.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Byte (RISC Amiga?)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:20:36 GMT

In article <10584@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>>Yes, I bought the lastest Byte a couple days ago 
>
>Grrr, I feel p*ssed at by that magazine. Not only that they don't give
>the Amiga enough appearance, no, they obviously also use rowing boats
>to ship their stuff to Europe! We still don't have the January issue
>here, and you are already talking about the Feb issue!!! Plainly
>obvious that they are even more stupid than I always thought.
>(And this current case is no exception, this is the situation all time
>long during the last years.)

>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...

	Well, it is a tradition in America for magazines to be predated by
one month (I don't remember the reasons why this happened but it probably had
to do with printing time). SO basically the MARCH issue should be released
as eraly as Jan 25th and before March 1st. I used ot get my old Compute!
magazines at least 35-40 days before the month printed on the cover.

	Similarly, if you buy a gas powered polluting car (not an electric),
the 1994 models will begin polluting the air as early as September 1993,
although in recent years automakers have been releasing half-year models,
such as in the spring. But generally September is the month new cars are
introduced here and are are dated 4 months in advance (by year).

	Remember when Mr Roper thought he had a '57 Chevy and Jack
reminded him that it was a '58? Well, Mr Roper said he bought it when
the new models were shown in September 1957...Boy, there were three companies
but the market is becoming more and more crowded. And the sommers are
still kind of ditsy...(Sorry the only other characters I remember are
Larry and Mr Furley (Don Knots).


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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:45:35 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
: :
: This is a bad analogy, for several reasons.  One, the dangers of using a
: chainsaw are much more apparent than those of using a goto.  Two, misusing

Not from the standpoint of a civil lawyer...

: a goto is not as painful in the short run as is misusing a chainsaw; in fact,
: it can be quite enticing.  There are other reasons.
: :
: :   Goto's are *exactly* the same thing.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:02:03 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
: : >
: : Having to type \'s is more  difficult  than /'s.
: Why?  Does it take more than one stroke to produce a backslash?
No, because you have to hunt for the damn thing...

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From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:41:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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>In article Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>: You still have that carbon dioxide which causes the climate catastrophe.
>: When remebering the last few years, the climate definitely has changed
>: already. We hardly have winters here anymore, like we had 15 or 20 years
>: ago. 

In article gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>(same here)

and in a different article:
In article Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: I was being serious... I thought I had noticed a trend of cooler summers over
: the past 2-3 years... But then that could just be from Mt. Pinatubo...

Jeez, get a clue. What a bunch of WORTHLESS empirical observation. It
is moronic to make conclusions about global weather because:

"a trend of cooler summers over  the past 2-3 years..."
 or
"We hardly have winters here anymore"

It was the fools in the '70's who were making the same observations and
claiming an ice-age was coming.  It was same people here in Southern
California who were screaming for the last 5 years that our drought was
caused by global warming. Well guess what - over 100 people have been
killed by the rain in the last two months. What does that mean?  On this
day, Jan 26 1902, Los Angeles had a record high of 90 degrees. Gee, today
it is only 75. Sounds like global cooling.. It's been years since it's
been that hot...... derrrrr

Hey, just try and realize that weather isn't always the same, won't
always be the same, we have had iceages in the past, we don't have
an ice age now, so that the globe must have warmed, it had nothing
to do with pollution, so don't jump around panicing about a hot
day, it's probably not your fault.


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Game content Re: PCheads go *thud* Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again*
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:21:27 GMT
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Donald R Lloyd (don@chopin.udel.edu) wrote:
:
:      All this talk about UU has reminded me of something:
:
:      Isn't the guy who wrote the graphics engine behind it now doing OS
: development at Commodore?
:

Yes.  The next version of AmigaOS will allow you to travel through the
directory tree as if it were a multilevel dungeon, using smooth shaded
first-person 3D graphics.

:-)

:
: Don Lloyd
:
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From: lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com (John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Stupid Flame War [Was: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles]
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:44:43 GMT
Reply-To: lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com (John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan21.195446.5022@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
>: :
>: : Read it again, Robert -- the whole thing, not just the part you underlined.
>: : What I'm pointing out as a Windows advantage is the functionality it has for
>: : supporting great applications -- functionality such as device independence

>: Squirm, Squirm, Wiggle, Wiggle  *WHAP*... No more Jerry...

>Running out of things to say, Matthew?

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. |    ///      AMOEBA        |


Actually, Matthew managed to summarize your last dozen* posts
quite eloquently, wasting far less bandwidth.  You've been squirming
around in your attempted "rebuttals" to Andy Finkel, and the only thing
you've succeeded in doing is giving me the urge to put the
following line in my killfile:
     /jerry@msi.com/h:j

Well, perhaps others may get the same urge :-), so it's not the _only_
thing, I'm sure.  [Incidentally, I've never been tempted to do the
same for -MB-, oddly enough...]

Now, before you say "so what?" or something of equal value, I'll grant
you a point:  Windows does provide several services which can aid in
application-writing.  (If it didn't, it wouldn't be terribly useful,
would it :-)  There are many trade-offs in their design, as there
are many in other designs.  Device independence and VM are certainly
strengths for word processors, spreadsheets, databases, and similar
productivity apps.  But might they be disadvantages for other types
of applications, especially given some other constraints such as
hardware (video display and CPU, for example)?

It might be more productive to discuss the elements in operating
system services rather than any one set of services.  After all,
those OS services have a historical base which should be taken into
account when evaluating the package...

Then again, perhaps it's time that everyone re-wrote their OSes;
no major family of machines (ie, running a radically different OS)
has been released in years...

  -- John


*Well, if it wasn't a dozen, it felt like it. :-)

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From: mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr (Mendez Marc)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:51:10 GMT
Organization: LMI (LaBRI University Bordeaux France)
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Stephan Mueller (mueller@cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan21.053223.23394@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> >So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
> >one subdirectory level?
> 
> Well, no.  Because AmigaDOS doesn't use .. to indicate parent
> directory.  Instead, do
> 
> 	rename Civilization /
> 

Hum, of course, but there is a path that allows you to use "." and
"..". However I didn't try it, since I use csh .By the way, the
implementation of ".." is very bad under csh : you must use ".."
alone. You can't write "cd ../../../home/" but "cd ///home". Not
convenient !


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From: peter@aristotle.sbi.com (Peter Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams speaks
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:47:33 GMT
Reply-To: peter@aristotle.sbi.com (Peter Murray)
Organization: Salomon Brothers Inc.




42 -> 0x2B or maby not?
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:56:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan22.055505.26388@ra.msstate.edu>, Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
: Hydrogen, man, the future is hydrogen!  :-)

Sure, sure.  Look ma, my car runs on electrolysis!  Now I can drive
and zap that hairy area connecting my eyebrows!

:)

: The problem is that we need to be able to buy them instead of just seeing
: them on tv shows.  I don't know what the deal is, but it's obvious that
: the technology is there, but some idiots won't let it out.

Those idiots are companies like Exxon that are making far too much to
lose their market now.

: Hmm, maybe Commodore is really behind it all...  :-)

Are you kidding?  C= has enough problems trying to get technology OUT.
It would be one hell of a change to see them try to keep it IN.  :)

(just a joke, Dave.  No, not the chainsaw!  Anything but the dreaded
GOTO!  AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHH!  Keep the marmosets away from me!)

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From: mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:54:19 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <C18oCL.9Kn@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Jerry Kuch) writes:
>Ah, Stephan you've hit on one of my pet peeves for clone keyboards.  
>Considering how often '\' and '|' are needed when working in TeX, their
>seemingly random positioning around the keyboard always did get on my
>nerves... especially when I was using TeX on different, compatible machines.
>I've found this key in THREE different places... urrrgh.

Only three?  You're lucky. :-)  Myself, I'm currently struggling also
with misplaced Escape and ~ keys.

>One in a set of sticks.  Remember the ubiquitous Dan S. response of:
>	"But does the Amiga have Falcon 3.0, Ultima Underworld, and
>	 Wing Commander 2?"
>Jeeeez...

OK, you caught me.  I actually missed that answer;  I confess, I pressed
'c' at an RN prompt to go from 2457 unread articles to zero.  Of course,
now I've been away for four days and it's back up to 500+...

Lemme see, how about "But does DOS have Shadow of the Beast, Shadow of
the Beast 2 and Shadow of the Beast 3?"

>>stephan("no relation to Genghis Khan");
>Really?  There was a striking resemblance that I took for granted 
>last summer... :-)

:-)  I've become much more barbaric since then.

stephan("still no relation to Genghis Khan, and only a passing
        resemblance to to Montgomery Burns");
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:01:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


I just wanted to say, this is one of the silliest *.advocacy threads
in a silly group that I have seen in years. 

What's next??? diamond arrow arrangement vs inverted t? or, the
Peecee's are Obviously better because they have 12 function keys,
and the amiga only has 10!! =-)

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