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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:26:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: inet
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In article <ajb.727986469@hela.iti.org> ajb@iti.org (Al Boehnlein) writes:
>I am currently looking for a new wrist watch.  My old one (discontinued Casio
>fx70) had a scienctific calculator, a programers calculator, alarms,
>stopwatch ect.  I would like something like it, or possibly one of the new
>data bank type calculators, hopefully with upload/download capabilities.
>They got some really neat toys out there these days.
>
>Anybody have a favorite wrist watch out there?, Any Ideas?

I've got a Casio CFX-200, it's several years old and is now quite beat
up (missing keycaps, cracked crystal, worn chrome).  The watch has a
scientific calculator with exponential notation, a memory, three
constants, assorted metric<->english conversion, transcendentals and
others.  In the past few years mostlly all I've seen are rather limited
data bank calculators.  There is one data bank watch with a serial port
that is sold by Mac Warehouse.  It comes with a Macintosh serial cable
and software.  It displays a couple lines of text at a time out of
perhaps a few dozen pages.  It apparently can only receive data, not
send, and has no user input.  Changing any data in the watch means
downloading the entire dataset again.  Some company did sell a wrist
computer years ago with an optional external keyboard but I haven't
heard about it since.  I've given up getting a wrist computer and now I
use an HP-95LX.  I haven't seen really nifty digital watches for a long
time.  Even the analog watches are pretty dull, although a few do have
a simple angular sliderule.
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From: vair0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: HP-15C - Wanted
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: Nation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:52:48 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: jjijdens@cs.ruu.nl (Jan-Jaap IJdens)
Subject: HP28s programs/syseval list wanted
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:21:06 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: hp28s, programs


Hi,

A friend of mine has a HP28s calculator. He is an enthousiastic programmer,
and is looking for HP28s programs of any kind.

Besides that, he is looking for a list of syseval-codes, and their meaning/
use. Is such a list around?

Anyone help by sending programs or a syseval list is appreciated.

Please mail responses to jjijdens@cs.ruu.nl

Thanx in advance,

-JJ-
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From: mahling@icarus.icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Dirk Mahling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Sharp PC 3000
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:19:46 GMT
Reply-To: mahling@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Selling PC3000 Sharp Palmtop

- size 8.5x4.5x1.2 inches
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- floppy port
- 1 MB RAM, free configuralbe RAM vs. RAMdisks
- 1.5 MB ROM w/ DOS, PIM Software, LapLink
- runs on 3 NiCads for abt. 8 hrs.
- will also give 1MB RAMCard
- 2 month old
- asking $1150 (includes Card and adaptor cables) or best offer
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tel. (412) 624 5144

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: inet
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:04:03 CST

In article <1k460kINNnvp@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
>In article <1k35umINNdoe@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>
>We most certainly were.  Here's what my Casio CFX-200 looks like:
>
>                     -------------------
>                     | INV  F1  F2  EXE|
>light/sign change-> [|+---------------+|] <--divide
>                     ||1-26         TU||
>flush mounted set--> ||1 4 : 0 1   1 3||] <--multiply
>                     |+---------------+|
>calc mode/C         [| [7] [8] [9] [0] |] <--subtract/M-
>                     | [4] [5] [6] [.] |
>stopwatch/alarm/CE  [| [1] [2] [3] [+] |] <--equals/M+
>                     -------------------
>F1 cycles through DRG, pi, in, ft, mi, oz, lb, gal, K (constant), and (
>F2 cycles through sin, cos, tan, log, ln, 10^x, e^x, x^y, x^2, sqrt, 1/x, %
>
>The functions are written in tiny little letters around the crystal.
>The function cycling is a big pain, often I would overshoot a function
>and I'd have to go all the way around again.  I wish they would have
>just used F1 and F2 as shift keys and put all the functions on the
>keypad instead.

That's what they did in the next (and the only other, as far as I'm aware)
scientific calculator watch they made.  I still have that one at home, my
CFX-200 died a long time ago.  The advantages of the CFX-200 were that you
could turn the !@#$ key beep off, and also that, since it had "real"
buttons, entering keystrokes was more reliable.

The CFX-200 definitely attracted a lot of attention back in high school...
"Think your watch has enough buttons there, Joel?"  Heh...

In the next model, they threw out the metric conversions and threw in base
conversions.  I was pleased, although in binary they insisted on only
letting you used signed 7 bit numbers!

					---Joel Kolstad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: RE: HP28s software
From: PERAINO@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:10:00 EST
Return-path: <PERAINO@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
To: handhelds <handhelds@gac.edu>

Check out gmuvax2.gmu.edu.  They have a slew of stuff.
From: gerard@stout.UUCP (Gerard van Draanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: gerard@STOUT.UUCP (Gerard van Draanen)
Distribution: inet
Organization: Stork Bepak B.V., Utrecht, NL

In article <1993Jan26.150404.2221@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>... stuff on CFX-200 layout/discussion deleted...
>...In the next model, they threw out the metric conversions and threw in base
>conversions.  I was pleased, although in binary they insisted on only
>letting you used signed 7 bit numbers!

The model I have is a CFX-40
  - Full Scientific calculator / Base-n / Alarm / Stopwatch with laptime
  - F1/F2 keys work as Shift keys

In my work as Software Engineer I realize that I'm using it daily to do
simple arithmetic, and Hex-Dec-Oct-Bin conversion.

Would like a multi-level memo/alarm, and databank

...

So the options for High Tech. Watches must be ...
  
   Casio   CFX-40
            FX-70
           CFX-200 (Two models were described)
           DBX-1000   <== This one seems to me to have all the options
                          Discussion talks about multi-level alarm etc.
I like the possible options for the 'future DBX-2000' with phone dialer....
and have it Water Proof (till say.. 10 m. ... enaugh for most situations).

   Seiko   DATA-2000
           RC-5000 (Vest pocket Watch with matrix display...
                    used to be able to couple that to a PC like terminal...
                    The last Ad I saw about it must have been in '87, and
           RC-7000  Which --me thinks-- was its follow-up)

As far as I know the RC5000/7000 series have been discontinued.


I also would like to keep up with current possibilities, but most shop owners
don't even have a model catalog anymore, since the models are changing so
rapidly. 
Maybe we can reach Casio Development people ... just to keep us informed.

Gerard.

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gerard@sbu.stork.nl /   / /-' /  /_/  /  /_/   You still can't go by the book
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From: rdb@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert D. Benedict)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:49:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: rdb@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert D. Benedict)
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In a previous article, anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) says:

>In article <ajb.727986469@hela.iti.org> ajb@iti.org (Al Boehnlein) writes:
>>I am currently looking for a new wrist watch.  My old one (discontinued Casio
>>fx70) had a scienctific calculator, a programers calculator, alarms,
>>stopwatch ect.  I would like something like it, or possibly one of the new
>>data bank type calculators, hopefully with upload/download capabilities.
>>They got some really neat toys out there these days.
>>
>>Anybody have a favorite wrist watch out there?, Any Ideas?
>
>I've got a Casio CFX-200, it's several years old and is now quite beat
>up (missing keycaps, cracked crystal, worn chrome).  The watch has a
>scientific calculator with exponential notation, a memory, three
>constants, assorted metric<->english conversion, transcendentals and
>others.  In the past few years mostlly all I've seen are rather limited
>data bank calculators.  There is one data bank watch with a serial port
>that is sold by Mac Warehouse.  It comes with a Macintosh serial cable
>and software.  It displays a couple lines of text at a time out of
>perhaps a few dozen pages.  It apparently can only receive data, not
>send, and has no user input.  Changing any data in the watch means
>downloading the entire dataset again.


  Some company did sell a wrist
>computer years ago with an optional external keyboard but I haven't
>heard about it since. 

				^^^
		If memory serves me I believe this was
		by Sieko. I think Sharper Image sold it
		though I am not sure if they still do.






 I've given up getting a wrist computer and now I
>use an HP-95LX.  I haven't seen really nifty digital watches for a long
>time.  Even the analog watches are pretty dull, although a few do have
>a simple angular sliderule.
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><-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: High Tech Watches
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1k460kINNnvp@uwm.edu> <1993Jan26.150404.2221@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<1777@stout.UUCP> <2588@shaman.wv.tek.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:48:24 GMT

In article <2588@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) writes:

   Does noone else remember the HP-1?  The first calculator watch I ever
   saw, from Hewlett Packard in the 1970s.  Four functions, an equals key
   (no ENTER), and included a stylus that you used to push the buttons.
   $600 at fine jewelers everywhere.

That's HP-01.  It was actually more like around $800 and still costs
a bundle if you can find an old one.  It weighed something like 8 ounces
and had an LED display which ate your batteries pretty fast.

A co-worker of mine has one and has been wanting to replace its
guts with a more modern CMOS microprocessor programmed to do you-name-it...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: inet
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:12:11 CST

In article <1k468tINNo0b@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.104528.27403@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>>
>>In article <1k35umINNdoe@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>
>>I still have my CFX-200 at home.  Great little watch; the only problem it
>>has was that you couldn't turn the key beep off.  This was strange
>
>>considering that the predecessor (which have a much less useable "scanning"
>>method of selecting functions) could have the beep toggled.
>
>Hmmm, that scanning sounds like my CFX-200, what does your CFX-200
>use?  I wonder if perhaps my watch has the wrong back cover?  It just
>has "CASIO SCIENTFIC" on the front.

You're right; I had the wrong model number.  Does anyone out here know the
correct model number for the watch that followed the CFX-200?  It has the
"standard" "Telememo" watch casing, but the number keys have scientific
functions above them instead of letters.  Those flat keypads weren't as
reliable as real buttons, unfortunately.

					---Joel Kolstad
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Orginiser
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:49:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <ajb.728152235@hela.iti.org> ajb@iti.org (Al Boehnlein) writes:
>
>Since posting about watches, A friend suggested that watches are jewlery,
>and to forget getting a calculator watch.  He suggested getting a 'real'

Basicly I've done this.  Although I do have a scientific calculator
watch it's getting quite old and three of the buttons have popped off
making it hard to do any calculations involving the digit "3" or anything
beyond the basic four functions.

>watch and an electronic orginiser for a calculator, phone book and
>calender.  I would like one I could carry in my pocket, about the size of a
>credit card, nor the size of a paperback.  I would also like to see

I'm not sure what you mean.  You want only a credit card sized machine?

>upload/download capability.

Unfortunately I don't know of any credit card sized machines with
upload/download capability that are still available.  Generally
machines this size are quite limited, generally no more than 10KB RAM
and only a simple 4 function calculator.  Even somewhat larger machines
have only better keyboards and displays.  Most machines with a serial
port are well over US$200.

I use an HP-95LX MS-DOS palmtop computer.   You can get archived news
articles and other information on this and other machines via anonymous
ftp to csd4.csd.uwm.edu:/pub/Palmtop.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: HP28s software
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:22:23 GMT

In article <9301221641.AA17828@clam.cis.ohio-state.edu> huff@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Brian C. Huff) writes:
>
>	Does anyone out there know where to find software for the
>HP28s?  I've been looking, but to no avail.  Any help would be
>appreciated!
>
>Thanks!

Yes, I am interested in this as well!  There was an ftp site (irisa.irisa.fr) in France which used to have a bunch of programs, but it doesn't work anymore.

Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: Re: Connecting a Psion3 to a Sun Workstation
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:03:06 GMT


In article <C107Cu.JJt@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>,
markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer) writes:
>
>In article <TMR.93Jan17104954@emotsun.bham.ac.uk>, tmr@emotsun.bham.ac.uk
>(Tim Read) writes:
>|> I have the serial link with my Psion3, and am able to transfer files to
>my
>|> PC very easily. Does anyone have a little program to run on a Sun
>|> workstation to allow similar transfer over the serial port?
>
>
> I am myself looking for a send/recieve-y-modem for unix now. Pity that
> the Psion can't handle z-modem.

  I was under the impression that most/all z-modem implementations also
supported y-modem in addition. Is this not so?

Gwyn
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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:17:33 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan26.104528.27403@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>[Gee, looks like we're going to need a comp.sys.wristtop :-) ]
>
>In article <1k35umINNdoe@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:

>I still have my CFX-200 at home.  Great little watch; the only problem it
>has was that you couldn't turn the key beep off.  This was strange

Did you try hitting the flush mounted set switch while in calculator
mode?  That toggles the key beep on my CFX-200.

>considering that the predecessor (which have a much less useable "scanning"
>method of selecting functions) could have the beep toggled.

Hmmm, that scanning sounds like my CFX-200, what does your CFX-200
use?  I wonder if perhaps my watch has the wrong back cover?  It just
has "CASIO SCIENTFIC" on the front.

>My wish list for a DBX-2000 would be: a wireless computer interface so that
>you could back up the memory!, a better (scientific? heh!) calculator that

Programming language!  I'll take anything, even Cobol! :-)
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From: bblank@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Bryan S. Blank(FIRN))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: subscribe
Keywords: I saw the last guy do it, so please add me to the mailing list
Date: 20 Jan 93 18:40:35 GMT
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also.  Thanks!

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Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 17:32:41 CET
From: Peter Neumeister <PNEUMEIS@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m6809
Subject: Which M/C uses 6809 with OS-9 and Ass?

My son needs to program the 6809 in assembler using OS-9 operating system.

Could somebody please tell me which H/W is / has been using this configuration
and is there a source to get such a Micro somewhere?

We will be glad to buy a functioning secondhand at a reasonable price.

Thanks
From: miller@ee.tamu.edu (Kelly M Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m6809
Subject: 68HC11 Cost?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:18:17 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
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I was wondering how much the 68HC11 costs? I realize the 
configurations are many but what does the cost range?

In particular, how much would the 68HC711K4 cost?
or the 68HC11A8 cost?

What does the 68HC16 cost?

I would appreciate your help. If you have unit or (1000's ) prices
I would appreciate a response.


thanks,

kelly
From: rpb@psy.ox.ac.uk (Ray Bellis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m6809
Subject: PD m6809 simulator to be available soon
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:51:33 GMT
	<RPB.93Jan16141030@brain.psy.ox.ac.uk><74017@cup.portal.com>
	<RPB.93Jan22121602@brain.psy.ox.ac.uk> <74389@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Dept. of Experimental Psychology, Oxford, England.
In-reply-to: blackbelt@cup.portal.com's message of 26 Jan 93 06:15:49 GMT


In article <74389@cup.portal.com> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:

   That's not too bad a speed! You do have a bit of horsepower, though. :^)

I'm not too worried about coding efficiency, I'll be running it on a
150 MHz Alpha very shortly :-)

   I can get almost realtime for the loop you show in the NON debug version
   of my emulator; about 900k/sec, same instructions. That's on a 25 mhz 68040,
   all caches on.

   My code is a great deal simpler than yours, though, and involves no
   function calls to anything, anywhere, other than one call to execute the
   instruction itself. All the non-indexed modes are coded completely inline,
   your example being an immediate mode, it falls in that group.

My example wasn't immediate mode.  The `fetch_operand' function call
handles operands for all modes except inherent.  My `execute' function
first of all decodes the addressing mode and then uses a huge `switch'
to find the function that implements the instruction.  I suspect that
a lot of my CPU time is `wasted' by the C++ implememtation, and by the
virtual functions that implement read/write `memory cycles'.

   Emulators are a kick, eh? <grin>

Yeah, I got quite a kick the first time I put that simple 2 byte
counter into the system and traced the registers being incremented
etc.

------------
Announcement:
------------

My C++ source code emulator of the MC6809 will be available to all
and sundry very shortly.  If people are interested in Beta testing,
please contact me, as I'm not sure if my interpretation of how things
like the `C' flag is set are correct, so I'd really like people to
verify the accuracy of my simulation.  At the moment, the only un-
implemented facilities are asynchronous interrupts, as I haven't
figured out a good mechanism for handling these yet.

I have a simple `machine' derived from the mc6809 base class which
provides a read/write port at address 0xc000 and either gets or puts
a character to stdin/stdout.  This derived class is written using
POSIX `tc' functions to put the tty into `raw' mode but could easily
be rewritten to use DOS `conio' functions.

Now all I've got to do is write an operating system, as the emulator
was orignally just a tool for developing the OS for a simple MC6809
based controller that I'm designing...

Ray.

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From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m6809,comp.os.os9,comp.sys.tandy
Subject: For Sale: Diskettes
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:47:24 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

For Sale:
100 high density and 22 double density 3.5" diskettes.  These disks were rarely
used.  They are alll name brand diskettes and are of superior quality.  Four
hard plastic cases with hinged covers are also included to hold the diskettes. 
I used them to back up my hard disk.  I recently purchased a tape backup system
and no longer need the disks.  Most of them have been formatted and written to
once.

Please write to any address written below  my mailing ng address.  I will 
accept a personal check, or money order.  I will pay for shipping.  

Asking $65.00 firm.

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