From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

KH> In a previous article, mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) says:
>  >     men, makeup, hair, clothes, fashion, soap operas? I'm willing
>Careful here, you're stereotyping :)
KH>     Actually, no. :) I'm basing this on observation of other
  >     females I know - the more 'normal' ones I happen to live with,
  >     others that I have known, etc. Sure, they wander off on other
  >     things, but typical content deals with less than highly
  >     educational topics. There there's me and the people I talk to - 
  >     psychology theories, gaming, cyberpunk, and whether or not
  >     wind chill factor affects the freezing point of water. ;)
Ok.  I got all those topics with my friends except for the wind chill thing :)
>from your list) based on the measure created by society.  But that's sort
>of off-topic.
KH>     Actually, I think that's right on topic. The area of obsession
  >     that's considered acceptable is to a large extent set by society.
True.  I just thought I was moving away from your original point.  Sorry, but
at that hour and with that much caffiene (sp?, I'm a guy after all) in my 
system, I try to remain focused on-topic so I don't wander off and talk about
those little men that leave me messages in my sleep. ;)

>While I'm at it, would you like peace on earth, good will towards men, and a
>cure for the common cold? :)
KH>     Go fer it. ;)

Too big a job for me.  I work late on Mondays and Wednesdays. :)

>It's great that you have a penchant for computers (assumed that you do).  But
KH>     Would I be here if I weren't? :)
Maybe.  I have taught some technophobic people to do mail.  Plus, I get all
my mail digested from a local BBS, so it's a little easier.  But since you are
here, and responded to the questionairre correctly, we'll be sending you
you official Techno-Geek Secret Public Key Encryption Ring in EMail any
day now.  Allow 6 to 10 cycles for delivery.
>that makes you something of an anomoly (sp?) in our current society. 
KH>     Pffooo.... don't remind me....
Sorry.
>Major changes in the mental makeup of society are interesting to think about, 
>but really don't exist except as amassed groups of tiny changes.  As I stated 
>elsewhere, social change is rarely achieved in any positive way by major 
>upheaval.  It occurs best in large numbers of small ways.  Shaping, a 
>therapy techique of the behaviorists, gets some of the best results of any.
>It's method is small changes, but keep pushing for the goal.
KH>     Shaping, however, can be long and tedious, and does tend to be 
  >     1) subtle and 2) easily sabotaged. There was a study a few
Definitely, but it does produce some lasting change.  All it takes is for
some shaped individual to raise his/her children in that manner, and then
die off for the change to be pretty permanant.  I think we've seen the way
that shaping can be sabatoged (sp? again, but I'm still a guy) here in this
thread and relateds.  The posts that have gone on re: Robosex are a prime 
example of the response generated by overt assault.  {Stop me before I get
too serious....}

KH> Kitten
  > Life is a sexually transmitted disease. - R.G.
Yeah, but Dr. Whatshisname and his Suicide Machine have a serious cure for
what ails us. :)

Mykel


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