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From: chang@tkl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yau-Dong Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Northwest...
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:18:27 GMT
Organization: Institute of industrial science, University of Tokyo
In-reply-to: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org's message of 20 Aug 92 01:11:58 GMT

In article <Ni7RPB4w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org> bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield) writes:

 [deleted...]
 >>I hear China Arlines is good too (and I believe if you travel 
 >>to Japan, China Airlines goes into Haneda airport instead of Narita, so 
 >>they don't have to be next to CAAC planes.  Haneda is more convienent).

Yes, China Airlines is the only one international airline to Haneda
Tokyo, but the price is very different from NW or United airlines.
As I know, the price of China Airlines (Economic Class) is about
90,000 Yen (maybe higher), but the price of the NW or United airlines
(Economic Class) is about 50,000 yen from some discount shops in Tokyo.

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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:24:21 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <92225.093731U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> U38250@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>I am not spreading hatred. I am just asking people to be responsible to
>what they have done

I know of people from the Mainland who were jailed by the KMT in the
1950's on suspicion of being Communists.  They are still not sure what
their real "crime" was.

Should they be held accountable for 228?
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in Taiwan
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:40:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T

thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) wirtes: 
> 
>> In article <Bsy32p.n47@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren
>> Tsai)  writes:
>> >If we have more than one Telecommunication  company in Taiwan ...
>> >
>>
>> A telecommunication company with all new optic-fiber lines linking
>> computers and carrying cable TV or interaction TV!!!

An easier alternative to this challenging project is to push
Den Hsin Ju to do such.  Given Taiwan's size, a nationwide 
fiber network is very feasible.  Some form of data networking 
beyond dial up and leased line is also urgently needed.  And
LOWER THE RATE TO CALL US :-).

I have little idea about what Taiwan is doing in telecommunications.
Can someone post what she/he knows?  Thanks.
  
In article <Bsy9Fn.2z0@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
>Well, I am talking about Telephone Company. Telephone Network is different
>from Computer Communication or cable TV broadcasting. Don't you think there
>exists a great market in Taiwan?
  
I don't know enough to size the market in mentioned the area but 
some comments: Telephone network, Computer communication, and 
Cable TV started from different directions, and they are getting 
sucked into a unified market.  To make things more complecated, 
the break up of AT&T had some strings attached.  Therefore, the 
competition in telecom market is different than that in other 
business.  You really don't want to know the details, and I only 
want to know enough to work here.

Eric

Disclaimer:  I wish someday all the employers will say 
something like this: "We have too many people working for us 
and they all talk too much.  Even when they say they represent 
their employer, they actually don't.  The official opinion or 
whatsoever of this company only comes from the spokesperson's
office."  Before that happens, the normal disclaimer applies.
From: slbxk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Friendship Club
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:43:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Aug19.154306.58268
Organization: Utah State University



                   FRIENDSHIP CLUB

                   From the Editor
           -------------------------------


Dear friends,

     We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
yet.

     Good luck to all of you, dear friends!



                                       Editor


     P.S.

     For APPLICATION FORM please write to:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          --------------------------------------------
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          |                                          |
          |               USU Box 1621               |
          |       Logan, UT   84322-0199  U.S.A.     |
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     Or send inquiring by E-mail.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:03:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.060732.7707@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:

>Dear my friends,
>   
>  I have no idea about the PingYing used by Hongkong-er and Singapore-er, but
>I would like to tell you that the Chu-Yin used in Taiwan is NOT any kind of
>Romanization.  The Romanization used in Mainland was invented by Chinese
>^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Communists.  Besides, Chinese is absolutely different from Wastern Languages.
>The Chu-Yin used in Taiwan is totally another kind of symbols.

Chu-Yin is not Romanization, but a number of different Romanizations can be
found in dictionaries published in Taiwan.  The one that is most used, I
believe, is the "Mandarin Romanization" (Guo2 Yu3 Lo2 Ma3 Tze4 (sp)).  I am
not sure, though, if this is the "official" Romanization, although I am sure
there is one.  (For example, the Taiwanese people would all translate a
particular last name as "Chen" while the Cantonese use "Chan," etc.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: Don't ride MARTA (Atlanta)
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:12:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.135842.26751@webo.dg.com> cteng@teng.webo.dg.com writes:
>In article <66435@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt2768b@prism.gatech.EDU (JENGLUNG LIN) writes:
>[]Since Olympic 1996 in coming to Atlanta, the rapid rail system -MARTA decides
>[]to use multiple languages to guide tourists. The languages include Japanese,
>[]Korean, but NO Chinese.
>[]
>[]Chinese is not less than Japanese or Korean in population. I think MARTA is
>[]just discriminating against Chinese.
>[]
>[]Let's show this to them - DO NOT RIDE MARTA until the situation changes.
>
>It will not be sufficient enough to bring any attention to MARTA in Atlanta, GA.
>Just NOT RIDE on MARTA!!
>
>It would be better to write letters to the related organizations in the area and
>strongly suggest the authority(-ies) (MARTA ??) with good reasons why they
>should include the Chinese in that service.
>
>Just my immediate feeling when I read the above news.

That's not a big deal.  Because ...
   1964 Olympiad -- TOKYO
   1988 Olympiad -- SEOUL
When will be Chinese turn?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: A Satellite of Our Own?
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:25:47 GMT

In article <Bswp5x.1yu@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>
>Makes you wonder if South Korea experienced the same pressure from US
>as Taiwan did.
>

Yes and No. Korea has been under heavy pressure from US in the past in many
different ways, but things are changing these days. The government tries 
not to depend on and not be pushed by a foreign government just like
the Japanese government is doing. There was a this quite popular book in
Japan called "Japan that can say NO!" few years back, even though I am not
sure the name of the book is exact. 


>Also I wonder if this will be the model of Taiwan's satellite program
>also:  Built and launched by countries who have the resource and
>know-how's.
>
>Yes, I know when Taiwan's satellite is to be launched, the "button
>will be pressed in Taiwan".  :-)
>
>-Chunshi
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A Satellite of Our Own?
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:04:52 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <Bswp5x.1yu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu
(Chun-Shi Chang) writes:

I have nothing new on this at Taiwan, but I watched a news program the
other day (I do not remeber it was 20/20 or 48 hours) that is pretty
amusing.

I hope everybody still remember Tonga (East Plus Kindom),
whose king weights 300+ lb. and was one of the contry ROC has diplomatic
relationship with. Their king needs two seats on the airplane when he
visits taiwan.

They have applied for 20 satellites and 6 are approved by UN.
And their popullation is not enough to fill the Rose Bowl.

How come we still havn't one?

yu
From: ctiao@riemann.math.purdue.edu (Chieh-Hsien Tiao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: US born kids
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:26:32 GMT
Reply-To: ctiao@riemann.math.purdue.edu (Chieh-Hsien Tiao)
Organization: Purdue University

>   I have a topic for discussion: will you guys love to get married here and
>make your kids Americans?  How do you think to have an Asian-American kid?

	I got a chance attanding my friend's wedding last Saturday. His
father WAS from Taiwan, and his mother an American.

	From our talking before the wedding, I got an impression that his
father is so serious that the last time he saw his father's smile was years
ago. I was preparing to see a man without guesture.

	To my surprise, his father is kind and shy. Among his family, he
seems nobody, so he was very pleased to see me and my wife. He talked
a lot, smiled all that afternoon, made me wonder that if this guy is my
friend's father.

	Afterward, I brought this up with my wife, we got the same feeling
that this guy should not be THAT serious. His seeming serious in his family
may be just caused by lacking complete comprehension of what is going on in
this English world.

	We got a funny feeling, believe it or not, that in hours of Chinese
conversation we understand part of his world more than his son, his family.

	Does it mean anything to your question? Your post just related me
to the kind old man described as a man without smiling.

-Jason
From: fhchua@athena.mit.edu (Fei Hai Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Foon Yew students at Taiwan Universities.
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:21:57 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


Hi, folks! I am looking for friends from Foon Yew (Kwan1 Rou2) High
School, Malaysia, now studying at Any Taiwan Universities.

Kwan1(as 'wide') Rou2(as 'soft') is suppose to have the most Malaysian
student in Taiwan, but I couldn't seems to locate them. Hope you folks
out there can help. 

Thanks!

-Fei Hai
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.hongkong,news.misc,news.groups,alt.chinese.text
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:59:32 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <9208181834.AA18082@abacus.hut.fi>, pan@abacus.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
> 2. Why so many non-mainlanders have mastered the mainland Ping1Ying1 ?
> 
	** Because it's use is quite natural.

	   Nevertheless, I think there is about 10% difference
	   in using Ping Ying between mainlanders and non-mainlanders. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u7716037@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Ying-jie Chen)
Subject: book info needed !
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:26:08 GMT

hello,
   This shouldn't be the right place to put my article, but I know
our Taiwanese brothers, and probably some sisters too, are willing to
help out more than anyting else ...

   I need to know how many dollars in total, including overseas shipping,
book price & postage, I should pay for mail ordering the following
book published by the MIT press ...
  
   Effective Cycling, by John Forester
   ISBN 0-262-56026-7

   Thanks in advance !

Ying-jie Chen, Engineer Officer Trainee
               Chinese Army Engineer School
[ Yet Another Dude Raised in Kaohsiung ... ]

PS. My account expires by end of August, so please reply to S.C.T. newsgroup.

[ Making it all make cents ... ]
[           - Micro$oft        ]
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: *** LADIES: Please READ *****************
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:21:11 GMT

Please read the article: PREMARITAL SEX IN CHINESE SOCIETIES - Cont'd [Clarification]
in soc.culture.hongkong/china/taiwan/asian.american

Thanks,
B. Ng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yenwen Wang)
Subject: Re: Narita <-> Tokyo
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:40:52 GMT

In article <vo!vHx8819@atlantis.psu.edu> jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>I hope this is not too late. I'm leaving for Taiwan tommorow and on my
>way I'll stop by Tokyo for one day. Could somebody give me some information
>about the transportaiton from Narita to Tokyo (times, fares, etc.)?
>

There is subway service between Narita and Tokyo but to avoid the hassle
I suggest the 'Skyliner' train. It's fast(only two stops between airport
and Ueno station), clean and comfortable(you are guranteed a seat). Ticket
costs 1,700 yens. At least that's how much it cost me last year when I
visited Tokyo. It departs every 30 minutes or so.


Yenwen Wang


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.212724.17896@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.194855.21567@u.washington.edu> yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug21.001017.19455@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug20.175939.15457@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes:
>
>>>>Taiwan is seeking to take actions e.g., terminate trading favor status to S.
>>>>korea which has been granting many years (tried to please S. Korea) causing
>>>>hugh trade deficit with S. Korea each year.
>>>
>>>Korean -- a lousy people.
>>
>>I am Korean, and therefore I am lousy? Leave your nonsense elsewhere like
>>soc.culture.nationalist.idiots
>>
>>>When I just arrived US one year ago, I was shopping around to get a 
>>>reliable used car.  At that time, there's only one principle in my
>>>mind, that's ---
>>>
>>>N O   k o r e a n   C A R.  Past, now and forever.
>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>What is this racist attack? Are you angry at the notion that Korea might break
>>off ties with Taiwan? If so, you must be angry at the 130 other nations 
>>including Japan that don't recognize Taiwan. Only 30 nations recognize Taiwan.
>>You are irrelevent. (and Taiwan makes the best cars?)
>
>Well, my opinion is based on economy but not polity.  Just like the original
>post said "S. Korea which has been granting many years (...."  S. Korea did
>get a lot of economic benefits from Taiwan but didn't allow mass imported goods
>from Taiwan.  Racist attack?  Could be.


There is never an excuse for a racist attack
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From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:21:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug14.153006.5563@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.141408.675@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>	...
>>	4-letter words does not violate the law, but you may get kicked out
>>	of the net for using it here.
>>
>Then sir, why people are still using "RTFM" instead of "RTM"?

	I don't know what is "RTFM" and "RTM". 

>Unless you are 100% owner of your machine and you yourself pay the usage.
>So if your company (e.g. AT&T) pay for your usage,
>then you should 100% loyal to your company.
>That's a fundamental rule.

	That is exactly right. So, there is no free speech here without
	responsibilities.

>I am not sure you are aware of the spying and harrassment of Taiwan government

	However, that was/is not the reason the original poster used to
	justify his/her not signing the name.

	Again, I don't care about his/her not signing the name; I disagree
	with his/her justification.

>To me, to have a guy consider himself as God Father here and instruct how 
>others should do is even worse than the above.

	Well, I only stated my disagreement with the definition of what is
	personal attack in the net and the usage of the network with the
	original poster.

	You don't need a statement like this to disagree. You can state
	your reason, can't you? Why all of a sudden I becomes the issue?

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:14:33 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

Jesse writes:
: Hi folks, if you love our country, please finish reading this.
: [deleted stuff]
:
:   If you will go back to Taiwan in future, please don't forget to tell our
: folks that Chinese are never worse than Americans.  Give our folks more
: confidence.  Please do it for me and for you.  God bless our motherland, no
: matter which party governs, no matter what name it will has.
:  
:   Thank you for your listening.
: 
: Jesse C Yen
:   
:    
Yes indeed, we Chinese should learn to build up more self-confidence.
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NUS
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From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in Taiwan
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:29:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsh.1992Aug14.172942.3298
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bsy32p.n47@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
>
> 
>I just read a piece of news. Many of AT&T researchers come back to Taiwan....
> 
>And I have an idea:
> 
>In Taiwan Telcommunication is not a private business.  In US there are several
>Telecommunication Companies.  Because of competition, we have good price and
>service.  As we know, the price of Telephone calls is pretty high in Taiwan.
>But the business is very good because the popularity of Telephone in Taiwan,
>right? Well, maybe not.
> 

Today's technology separates telecommunications architecture into 
two parts: the backbone (long distance ) and the access (local).

The backbone part is what AT&T and it's competitors are doing
and the access part is what NYNEX, Southwestern Bell, PacBell, 
etc. are doing.  Both parts are open for competition in US but
the access part is very difficult to be really open because of
the phsical wire connecting our houses to the switch.  You can
switch long distance carrier wiht a phone call but try to get a
different local carrier and you will experience what I mean.

Eric

>
>---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
>      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan Embassies
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:09:03 GMT


In a previous article, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) says:

>In article <RgeuPB3w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org> bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield) writes:
>>Just curious... does Taiwan have trade missions in a lot of countries 
>>that do not "officially" recognize ROC but PRC?  I know that in some 
>>places, countries that have the problem have others take care of things 
>>(I believe Belgium handles affairs for Israel in some countries, and I 
>>think there's a Taiwan Trade Delegation in the US). Upon reading the post 
>>about termination of times beteen the ROK & ROC, I was wondering if ROC 
>>will keep some sort of official presence (trade mission, what have you) 
>>in Korea, or just get out. What is the norm in countries where Taiwan is 
>>not the officially recognized China?
>
>There is usually an establishment that serves as an embassy in all aspects
>except in name.  The director's political clout (in Taiwan) is as great, and,
>in the cases of the directors of those institutions in the United States and
>Japan, for example, greater than most "embassadors."  The mission is *not*
>only about trade, but handles most of the affairs run by embassies as well.
>In the United States, the Taiwanese mission is call the Coordination Council
>of North American Affairs.  (What a stupid name.  The Taiwanese government has
>talked about unifying the names of these missions to foreign countries; they
>currently have various different names.)
>

In many countries, where the government have official conection with 
PRC, the Taiwanese will have a council instead of an embasy, the main
duty of the council is as the one of an embassy except the director
of the institution, where in an embassy, the top most officer is
the embassador, and at a council, it is different. 

The embassy or council should cover any 'political' aspect and at
the same time to provide educational and cultural information. Tradings
and others are also included.

However, I have found that not many 'council' or embassy are 'truly' 
helpful, because of political influences, most of the time, people will
NOT get the necessary information they needed. :( And mosf of these
Taiwanese institutions, they care more about politics then the trading or
any educational needs...

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