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From: coop1w13@bnr.ca (Bill Saunders)
Subject: Re: For Better or for Worse
Reply-To: coop1w13@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:40:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.003403.2312@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, irving@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Myers) writes:
|> In <1992Apr7.215418.28231@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
|> 
|> >Anybody read this? Any opinions? Should she have had the third child?
|> >Will Michael & Martha stay together forever? Will Gordo turn his dad
|> >in for abusing him?
|> 
|> I don't know much about the author of this puppy, but I think she (it is her
|> isn't it?) writes reality.  So there probebly wasn't a choice about the baby,
|> if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
|> 
|> I'd like to see M&M together, it plays well, esp. since it isn't pounded over
|> our heads too much.  Gordo turns in his dad - please!  What an excellent forum
|> to stop this kind of thing.  What do kids read?  The comics!
|> 
|> 
|> Funny + Real = Real Funny.
|> -- 
|> Tom Myers, Programmer/Analyst				Email: t-myers@nwu.edu
|> Reingold ECG Center - Northwestern University

Sorry to burst you bubble, if you know what I mean, and I think you do :-), but
Lynn Johnson hasn't recently had a child. While it's true that the births
of Michael and Elizabeth were concurrent with those of her own children,
she decided to have a child in the strip without having one in the real
world.
 
My source for all this is an article in the Victoria Times-Colonist (I think
when Ellie was pregnant with April in the strip. Does anyone out there know
what the date was? 

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Jay Irving
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:51:13 GMT

What would original pencil sketches by Jay Irving be worth. He was
a comic strip artist in the 50's.

-- 
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Calvin!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:58:33 GMT

greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes) writes:

>Posted at the request of <ctq15@cc.flinders.edu.au>, who has reading but
>not posting privileges:
>-----------------------------------------------------
>From: ctq15@cc.flinders.edu.au (Dirk Pitt....!)
>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 08:59:32 +0930

> On this subject of Hobbs and his "reality".
> HOBBS is real.....I mean he just is................

> However I do have some evidence.

>         The strip when Calvin says he is gunna name the creek out the back
> and when they get there thers already the sign "Hob's Crk".
> Following the line of thought of someone else (cant remember the name)
> Calvin is hardly going to make a sign for hobbs and the gp  away and
> make his sign just so he can have a dispute with Hobbs is he.

Although Hobbes' and Calvin's handwriting (and spelling skills) ARE
suspiciously similar...notice Calvin's scrawling "To: Os Trlya" on the
side of the box when he and Hobbes decide to mail themselves to
Australia.

                                         --Steve Stelter
                                            sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Tumbleweeds?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:42:14 GMT

In <1992Apr8.033935.29680@meaddata.com> timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein) writes:


>Is "Tumbleweeds" still going?

I hope so.  Unfortunately, the Trib doesn't carry it.

>Were there ever any anthologies?  Are they still in print?

I know there are a bunch of paperbacks.  I haven't seen them in the bookstores
but I've been able to find a bunch at used-book stores.  It seems like I've
seen one large anthology, but it may be old age deceiving me.


--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Gigabit Study Group 

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
From: derek@netcom.com (Derek LeLash)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Peanuts: Can Snoopy Talk?
Keywords: peanuts
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:42:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.ftxj46q.derek
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

A tip of the trivia toque to anyone who can remember the one time Snoopy
*did* speak, and what he said.  (I actually only know the latter...)

Derek

-- 
Derek LeLash (derek@netcom.com)   "I pulled into a fast food place, parked, and
Technical Writer/Mac Savant        went in.  I could have yelled my order into
BASYS Automation Systems, Inc.     a clown's mouth and eaten in the car, but I
Sunnyvale, CA  408-720-1236 x201   wanted to show I had class." -- Sue Grafton
From: osyjm@coe.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes Snowmen
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:46:04 GMT
Organization: Montana State University, College of Engineering, Bozeman MT, 59717

In article <53970@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.145629.25882@coe.montana.edu> osyjm@coe.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) writes:
>>Don't forget:
>>
>>	-Scientific Progress goes Boink
>>
>>	and the new one,
>>
>>	-Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Snow Goons.  Or somesuch.
>> Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
>
>These last two are outstanding.

Definitely.
>
>I'm really not too big on many of the sledding/winter themes in C&H, 
>maybe because I haven't lived in an area of the country that get's lots 
>of snow for a while.  But Calvin's snowmen are just tremendous!

Move to Montana... Winter finally hit April 5th...
-- 
 Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
 Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@{cs,coe}.montana.edu
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From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Subject: Re: Outland vs. Bloom County (WAS Re: Calvin and Hobbes)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:08:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.100817.2139@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>There's an actor named Alonzo Music who does many voices for animation,
>including Garfield, and one of the Ghostbusters, who has the most 
>hilarious voice around, IMHO.  What other characters should he be providing
>the voice for?
>
LORENZO Music, and the answer is none.  He is Carleton The Doorman, and
will forever be Carleton the Doorman; unless there's a cartoon character
Carlton the Doorman, why would any other character want to have his voice?
-- 
                    ' ",      *
Karl Wagenfuehr         ,         "Weisst du, wieviel Sternlein stehen an dem
wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu  ,  '      blauen Himmelszelt?"  --Deutsches Volkslied
                          '
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: For Better or for Worse
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:28:45 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr8.003403.2312@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> irving@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Myers) writes:

>I don't know much about the author of this puppy, but I think she (it is her
>isn't it?) writes reality.  So there probebly wasn't a choice about the baby,
>if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

I read an interview with her, and while she does have a boy and a girl which
the comics children are based on, she didn't have a baby recently. April is
totally fictional.
--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Timothy Olin Jarrett)
Subject: Re: Poll
Summary:  Death of cartoonists and other problems
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:33:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.161400.244291@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>      <....request for votes on Top Ten deleted....>
>
>Oh, I forgot, I'd like to kill that little guy in "Ziggy"...but not his
>dog.  I'd also like to blow up "Gasoline Alley".

I never read a paper that ran "Gasoline Alley" while I was growing up, and only
started reading it last year at college.  (Then the Washington Post dropped it
:-).)  Is the same guy who created the strip still the same one who's doing it
today, or is this another case of the insidious "let's take over someone's work
after he dies so we can continue to make money" syndrome?

I agree with Berke Breathed's sentiment about this kind of "sequel;" as his
Scarlett O'Hara says, "Ah feel cheap and used.  Ah may faint" (or words to that
effect).  And I too cried out with Breathed's rendition of Pogo as he screamed,
"He'p!  He'p!  WALT!"

The work of an author or cartoonist should be allowed to stand as a monument
to him after his death, regardless of how much money his syndicate, agents etc.
lose by not continuing the strip.  I mean, seeing how far downhill Charles
Schulz's _Peanuts_ has gone in his own lifetime, I hate to picture the mess
that would result if someone attempted to continue the strip after he died.

--Timothy Jarrett (toj8j@virginia.edu)
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: POGO
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:22:37 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr12.161031.11914@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> plck@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (David Pollack) writes:
>Sorry, but after all this time I have come to the sad conclusion that Pogo
>died when Walt did.  The imitators did a pretty good job of faking it for
>a while, but they were just doing repeats of old bits.  Pogo was primal
>innocence, Albert was every kid's best buddy, owl and turtle the funniest
>sideshow in town, and Miz Beaver, Beauregard Hound, Bun Rab, J. Wiley
>Catt, Preacher Mushrat and all the rest were just plain family.  There
>will never be another day like the one when the three bats (Bewitched,
>Bothered, and Bemildred) took up residence in Albert's stomach and lit up
>one of the old seegars they found there.... Sorry about the elegiacal mood,
>but true POGO fans will understand (and remember how little the rest
>mourned when they figured Pogo was dead and decided to share his belongings
>in his honor.....)
	Yeah, I suppose so.  <sigh>  Although I still feel Doyle and Sternecky
were doing a pretty credible job there for a while.  It seems that the really
great comic strips (like really great and original everything, I guess) are
uniquely the product of their creators.  "Krazy Kat" died along with Herriman,
after all.  Recent attempts to write James Bond novels by John Gardner have 
been pretty pallid imitations of the Fleming originals.  Maybe we should just
leave well-enough alone.
	Besides, there all those *wonderful* Kelly Pogo paperbacks, many of 
which have been out of print for ages......

Chuck
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From: bobsoron@world.std.com (Bob Soron)
Subject: Calvin & Hobbes bestsellers (Was: Re: Lets hear it for Fox Trot!)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.strips
Summary: (actually, I really hate Fox Trot, so I changed the subject.)
Keywords: best sellers
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:48:38 GMT

In article <iy12iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> joshm@netlink.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
writes:
>  
>I know that.  I said I never see it on the bestseller shelves, unlike any 
>Calvin and Hobbes book which is on a bestseller list instantly.
>
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I noticed this morning that the Boston Globe lists "Attack of the Deranged
Snow Goons" as a best-seller in the non-fiction category.

Bob Soron
bobsoron@world.std.com
"With Velcro, gravity is obsolete" -- Mister Boffo


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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:26:56 GMT

ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy)) writes:

>Oh yeah, I forgot one of my all time favorites:

>  Picture: three cows hunched over a diagram of a farmer divided up into various meat cuts
>	   (similar to the diagrams they show for cows).  They are looking over their 
>	   shouldiers at the farmer who just walked into the barn.

>  Caption: As farmer brown came around the corner he froze in his tracks.  As did the cows.
>	   In the distance, a dog howled...

What really made this cartoon for me was the labeling of the various cuts.
As I recall, the head was labeled "throw away."

                                        --Steve "Shirt's on fire...
                                          NOW IT'S OUT!" Stelter

                                          sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: anjyii@athena.mit.edu (anjyii)
Subject: Re: C&H:  Merchandising (was Re: HOBBES (of C&H) Bumper Sticker)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:18:10 GMT

>>>       Bill Watterson does not allow Calvin & Hobbes to be merchandised in any
>>>way. Any Calvin & Hobbes merchandise (I have seen Hobbes dolls, eg) is BOOTLEG
>>>and Watterson does not receive a penny.  Please do NOT support anyone you see
>>>hocking C&H material.
>>
>>     Gotta love his ethics.  Nice one, Bill.  
>>
>YES.  As much as I'd *love* to have a Hobbes doll (to go next to Opus on my
>desk :-), and as much as I'd be happy to make him a rich man, I'm glad someone
>as famous as he is has taken a stand like this.  Guess I'll just have to buy
>*all* the books...
>
>Derek

Actually, the same goes for Doonesbury...
in the front of one of the first three large books, Trudeau said that
he wasn't going to make or sell any Doonesbury "by-products"...

(Ok, I idolize the comic-strip...)

It _is_ nice to see that someone else believes it too...


						-Angela Batiste
						anjyii@Athena.MIT.EDU
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Mass sexism and racism in Beetle Bailey
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.190632.2375@onetouch.COM> csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:

>Yes, General Halftrack is a sterotype of the dirty-old-man, the
>hen-pecked-husband, and the idiotic leader.
>
>Miss Buxley is a stereotype of a blonde.
>CORPORAL Yo is a stereotype of Japanese.
>Killer is a stereotype of a sex-crazed male.
>Zero is a stereotype of a country bumpkin.
>...
>Are some stereotypes allowed and others not allowed?

There is no question of "allowed" or "disallowed."  Stereotypes of
women as mindless, Japanese as obedient slaves, or black men as lazy
buffoons are more frequently objected to because they reinforce a
system which tends to dismiss women, Japanese, black people and so
forth.  Stereotypes of sex-crazed men and "country bumpkins" are not
because there is no sort of institutionalized oppression against such
people.

If you really feel that as a sex maniac, you are in a position to be
shat on by the rest of the establishment, go right ahead and object to
your negative portrayals.  Just don't be surprised when the rest of us
laugh.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: anjyii@athena.mit.edu (anjyii)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Doonesbury
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:51:59 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

During the year that Trudeau went on vacation, I found all of my parents
old Doonesbury books, read them, and loved them.  So, I've been reading
that since it came back.  By far, it is my favorite comic strip.  And,
it does seem to be just as funny now, as it was then, or maybe I can just
relate to it more now...seeing that I'm watching things in the present,
instead of comments on things of the past.

Still, is there another book after "Recycled Doonesbury", and if not,
when's the next one coming?

anyway...
						-Angela Batiste
						anjyii@Athena.MIT.EDU
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From: hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs)
Subject: Re: No Tank?
Originator: hshubs@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:16:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.172024.7526@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>I have heard references to people in Chicago not having any more
>Tank McNamara. Please tell me that this is only over theere. Here in
>the Glob, it is great because they put it right in the sports page.
>If you missed last week, it was about the *outlawed* team kidnapping
>the 64th seed, Amish-Lutheran Polytechnic, and going on a rampage in
>the tourney. 
>
>I'm glad someone finally bashed Sylvia. They got rid of it for a week
>or so for Non Sequitur, the brought it back and trashed Geech (no big
>loss there). But I think that the reasonong behind it being funny is
>some sort of feminist twist, but I don't get it at all.

I occasionally read Sylvia.  I find that it's amusing at times.


>Any Dilbert fans out there? Dogbert is the most ruthless character in 
>the funny pages. What a great strip.

I bought the Dogbert book.  It had me on the FLOOR right on the first
page!
-- 
Howard S Shubs      hshubs@eff.org      I don't represent the EFF,
The Denim Adept     hshubs@BIX.com      but I do agree with them.
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The Neighborhood
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:53:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.v#2jvd+
Organization: Living in a satellite fantasy, waiting for the night to end.

dks@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (douglas.k.steckel) writes:

> The times i've read this group I've seen nothing about The Neighborhood
> by Jerry VanAmerogen (I think). 

Ooo-aaaa!  Oooo-eeeee!  <genuflect>  I worshipped at the shine of The
Neighborhood, and was sorry to see it go.  What a deliciously twisted
strip it was.  JVA really could crank out the most *amazing* verbiage.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Deciding that the bounds of propriety had been broached once too
often, Scott called a quick halt to the coffee-pot puppet show.
From: v070n53b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK PRZYBYSZEWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: new comic strip - Curious Avenue
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In Tuesday's edition of the Buffalo News, the publisher mentioned that Tom
Toles, their Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial cartoonist, will have a comic
strip coming out this Sunday; it will be called Curious Avenue, and like a
lot of strips today, deal with "children and dogs".  I know this sounds bad,
but if any of you enjoy his editorial cartoons, which are syndicated by
Universal Press Syndicate, this should be good.

One of the things I lamented about when the Courier-Express folded was Tom
Toles; he was one of the best things about that newspaper (in fact, just 
about all the cartoons from that paper are now in the News; the Saturday
edition takes up three pages).  His drawing style is crude, but IMHO his
wit is excellent.  I'd like to see your opinion of his work when it comes
out; I hope he joins the long line of Pulitzer winners with good strips like
MacNelly (Shoe), Peters (Mother Goose and Grimm), Trudeau, Pfeiffer, Kelly,
and Breathed.

BTW, are there any others besides the ones mentioned who have won Pulitzers
for their editorial cartooning who've had successful strips (I know, the last
four won for their strips, but that's a different category)?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Mark Przybyszewski 	v070n53b@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu	v070n53b@ubvms.bitnet +
+ 				GO BILLS IN '92!			      +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ I may not be the president, I may not be the pope, but as long as I have    +
+ Gritty Kitty, I shall never mope!	Stimpson J. Cat, Ren and Stimpy	      +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: shem@phoenix.oulu.fi (Janne Himanka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: C&H translated where? (Was: Re: Needed: COMPLETE)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:06:10 GMT
	<1992Apr8.145629.25882@coe.montana.edu> <53938@hydra.gatech.EDU>
	<taube.350@oregon.uoregon.edu>
Reply-To: shem@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Tilde's home bakery
In-reply-to: taube@oregon.uoregon.edu's message of 9 Apr 92 05:46:34 GMT

>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Taube <taube@oregon.uoregon.edu> writes:

	Christian> Any other countries or languages?

In Finnish, yes, under the name "Lassi & Leevi" (inane sounding names
to a Finn). The translations are lame, I think. It's going as a strip
in the newspaper Turun Sanomat, too. According to my observations, the
translated pieces aren't very popular here. The original albums, on
the other hand, have enthusiastic (if few) readers. Good to hear that
Watterson is still writing. 

-Janne

"What did you do with the Pharaoh + shem@phoenix.oulu.fi
 Great Outhouse 8?"               + shem@nic.funet.fi
"We ate him. He was unspeakably   + TKOP-HJH@FINOU
 toothsome."                      + Oulu Univ., Dept. of Libr. & Inf. Sc.
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From: "Stephen C. Miller" <stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Funky Winkerbean
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:10:26 -0500

In article <1992Apr09.122319.11831@onetouch.COM> csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
>Judging from the fact that all of the characters in Funky Winkerbean
>are going to be graduating this year, I get the impression that the
>artist is planning to retire the strip.
>
>Can anyone confirm that?

Sadly, no.  Batuik intends to continue the strip.  Too bad.
-- 
--------------------
=Steve Miller	 		    stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
		(Former rock star turned grad student)
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