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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Monza race
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:01:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <190klvINNasi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>I not accusing anyone of anything, but I find it strange that Patrese's
>engine would falter very late in the race when he is about to take
>victory, after having the best car on the circuit from the start of
>the race, after Mansell drops out, and this happens to him just after
>passing the pits going down the straight, and later his engine miraculously
>recover with 2 laps to go.  I wonder if the Renault engineers purposely
>played with his engine to slow him down from the pits.  I wonder if they
>did this to cater to a request of Mansell in hopes of getting him to
>change his mind and return to Williams next year?  

I have only one thing to say:
There is a perfectly good newsgroup for this sort of stuff - alt.conspiracy
Please use that newsgroup for posting unsubstantiable theories like this.
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Ron Dennis on aggression (was Re: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:46:09 GMT

wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.201557.1233@b8.b8.ingr.com> drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall) writes:
>>Glad to see an American in Formula 1 again! I wonder how long
>>those F-1 prima donnas wil tolerate MA's aggressive style!!!
>>

>I assume most r.a.s. readers watched ESPN's coverage of Monza, and therefore saw
>the news conference in which Ron Dennis stated that there were five drivers in
>the world with the necessary aggression in working through traffic.  He stated
>that Michael Andretti was one of the five.

>So, in Ron Dennis' opinion at least, MA's aggressive style is a requirement for
>being a winning driver, not something to be "tolerated".  What the other drivers
>will think (presumably you meant the drivers when you used the phrase "prima
>donnas"?) we will have to wait to see.

>Now, let's speculate on who Ron counts as the other four.  It seems reasonable
>to assume he would include Senna.  After all, he's seen fit to employ Senna as
>his number one for a while.  Also, Senna has been renowned for his ability to
>slice through backmarkers.

>That leaves three.  It is only my guess, but I would expect him to include Nigel
>on his short list.  Of all the criticism hurled at him, lack of aggression when
>passing has NEVER been mentioned!  Too much aggression when passing Senna, maybe.
>Or trying to pass him, to be precise.

>That leaves two.  Who could they be...


     I would say Mike Schu would be on the list. Rumors say McLaren wanted Schu
for '93, and every other team wants him too. He is definitely one of the best
F1 pilots right now, so I vote for him to the list.


>Dave Wilson

Cory Padfield

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:53:18 GMT

All right, let's get the boring comments out of the way in this thread:

Nigel Mansell wins by a wide margin in the Family with Values category.
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.044731.16017@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
>Also, Mansells comments that he was going to "give" the race to Patrese
>anyway (he said this after he went out) seemed a bit weird.  If he was
>going to do that, why did he race off at the start ?  Why did Patrese
>catch up 13 seconds (or whatever it was) in one lap.  This seems like a
>bit of Mansell-speak.  Mansell was going for his 9th win, after all.
>Why would he let Patrese win ?

Exactly. Here we have classic Mansell-speak, this tendency to come up
with a false excuse for anything untowards that happens to him, or his
car, regardless of whether it's his fault or not. This time I believe
it was clear to everyone that it was not his fault.

Michael MY Hui  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 200 Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Summary: Spoiler if you don't want to know who won
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:13:29 GMT

Okay, there is a slight spoiler here, I guess

In article <7164960857497@c00559-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu> I wrote:
> 1.  (3) Emerson Fittipaldi (Penske 92-Chevrolet/B), 89 laps, 107.352 mph
>
>Fast qualifier:  Michael Andretti, 117.790 mph
>
>Michael Andretti's qualifying speed of 117.790 breaks the record of 117.050 
>set by Paul Tracy earlier in qualifying (I don't know who held the record 
>previous to this year).

The qualifying record previous to this year was Michael's 116.589 mph last
year.  Also, Emmo's winning average speed of 107.352 mph breaks the record
of 99.789 set by Michael in '90.

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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:    NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <9SEP199211391035@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
>
>Did I miss something here?  Hillin left the Stavola brothers a while back, 
>with Dick Trickle at the wheel of the Snicker's T-Bird the majority of the 
>year.  What's happenin' to Dick?

  So far Trickels name has not come up in the rumor circle.  I know he
 will not be back at the car #8 so it looks like hes out looking for a
 ride.

  Real shame as I think hes a great driver.

 -Dan
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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: ASA Miller 300 results
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:37:33 CDT




The old veteran Dick Trickle won the ASA Miller 300 at the Minnesota State
Fair yesterday  (9/7). Qualifying was rained out, so the cars were lined
up in order of ASA point standings. This put Mike Eddy on the pole and 
Johnny Benson, Jr. was outside. Trickle started back in 21st position.
The race was red-flagged on the 6th lap due to an 11-car pileup on the
front stretch which completely blocked the track. Eddy and Benson led all
of the first 200 laps until a red flag came out again, this time for rain.

The race was delayed for nearly 2 hours, I didn't stick around to see the
finish as I didn't think they would have time to finish the race...I was
wrong. Dick Trickle ended up passing Benson with 20 laps remaining to win
the race. It was Trickle's 4th ASA win at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds and
his 11th overall on the 1/2 mile track.

RESULTS:
1. Trickle
2. Benson
3. Harrington
4. Eddy
5. Lund
6. St. Amant
7. Forbes
8. Neal
9. Holzhausen
10. Jay Sauter
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Schumacher's gearbox technique
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:44:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware (skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: wrong_. Wonder what James Young Stewart would think of that?

Is he any relation to John Young Stuart, World Champion in 69, 71 and 73?

Actually you're right about Schumacher's technique being _very_ odd --
almost as distinctive as Senna's fiddling with the throttle on the way into
corners...

pete
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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:51:33 GMT
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

>Obviously, Schumacher dosn't share Donalds opinion of Brundle.

Uh-huh.  What it really means is that Schumacher has some class.  He does 
not air his dirty laundry in public for all to see.  FYI - words were
exchanged in the garage about this...

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From: andy@mercury.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Spoiled spoiler addicts (Was: Other stuff)
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:00:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.041255.13445@sequent.com> dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
>
>RE: Spoiler warnings.  Get over it.  I remember first reading this
>    group and wondering what the **** "spoilers" were and didn't make
>    the connection for weeks.  I always am grateful for early news of
>    a safe and competitive race.  Do you hang up on friends who call
>    you with reports of races you haven't seen yet?  I guess I don't
>    get it.  (comments about anal retentiveness retained)

  Call me an anal retentive, but yes I have hung up on friends who
call to tell me the results before I have seen the race.  Especially
if they know I haven't seen the race and they just want to gloat
because their favourite driver won.

  Back to spoiler warnings...  it is just really a matter of courtesy
to your fellow ras readers to include the warning.  Just because it
doesn't bother you doesn't mean that it doesn't bother anyone else.

ObMotorSports:
  I am really happy that Nigel appears to be going to a competative
Indy team.  At last I'll have a Brit capable of winning races to cheer
for!


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Mclaren engines for '93 ??
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:17:15 GMT

>> Does anyone know what Mclaren are using next year (evan a wild guess) ?

Oh, come on you guys - BMW? FORD? HONDA? MUGEN? - where have you been!

What was the real reason Ron Dennis was in the States recently,
reportedly hanging out at the HMI (Hudson Motorsports Intl') shops?
Looking over a certain 213.8 cu.in. L-head powerplant, which uses its
heated exhaust manifold to preheat the air going to its 8 cylinders.
Known as the Great Eight, it also has an innovative valveless oil pump,
which improves lubrication and extends the life of the engine (we're
talking NO engine rebuilds for an entire season!).

McLaren/HMI/Andretti in '93!


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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: F1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:01:11 GMT
Keywords: Senna

ssjijon@unity.ncsu.edu (Santiago S. Jijon) writes:

>I havent read anything about this "great" pilot.  I wonder if he's gonna have next year for free.  If somebody knows something, please notify.

	WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???????????????????????????


TOBY...

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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 10:05:38 GMT

In <18338@acorn.co.uk> apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:


> American Michael Andretti has signed to
> drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
> in the 1993 world championship.        

Great news.  It will be interesting to see how he fares with the F1 mob.

By the way, where was this announcement reported ?

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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Mclaren engines for '93 ??
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:04:13 GMT

Does anyone know what Mclaren are using next year (evan a wild guess) ?
There was an article in r.a.s on the weekend about them using BMW V10's,
but I have not heard anything since.  Nothing was said on the BBC coverage
of Monza (Oz version), and our local commentators (Alan Jones) did not have
anything to say, except that Honda was pulling out.

If Mclaren don't get a good engine, then I doubt Senna would drive for them.
It doesn't look like Senna will get a drive with Williams either, so Prost
looks like he will certainly win the WC next year.  Schumacher, Patrese,
Berger (Andretti ?) may win a few races, but Prost should have it in the bag.

I hope Senna drives next year, just to keep it interesting, and to see what
Andretti is like racing with him (if he can).

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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Spoiled spoiler addicts (Was: Other stuff)
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:12:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep14.041255.13445
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <04xn-qj@lynx.unm.edu> trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>In <190du1INN6mm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>     (Francisco J. Diaz) wrote:
> 
>If you're including results in a post, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE include 
>   a 'spoiler' in the 'subject' line, a ^L, something.  I think this
>   is reasonable, especially on same-day-as-race posts.

RE: Spoiler warnings.  Get over it.  I remember first reading this
    group and wondering what the **** "spoilers" were and didn't make
    the connection for weeks.  I always am grateful for early news of
    a safe and competitive race.  Do you hang up on friends who call
    you with reports of races you haven't seen yet?  I guess I don't
    get it.  (comments about anal retentiveness retained)
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From: dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: HASA "S" Division
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:27:08 GMT

In article <377@rehab1.UUCP>, dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.162146.3843@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>  Does anyone
>  know if Emmo will return to Penske in 92?!? I recently received a 'Penske
				         ^^^
	I'm going to assume you mean '93.

>  SportsWear' catalog. Inside are photos of Rick, Chris, Roger, and Paul.
>  Missing is Emmo! I think that even if Emmo is back for 93, he will be
>  gone in 94 and that Tracy will by very happy waiting a year for that
>  Penske full time ride.

Part One. Emmo is probably missing from the catalog because He has his own
line of sportswear, (or is it he is sponsored by Hugo Boss sportswear?).
Anyway, I think that explains his absence from the catalog. However, I think
you might be right on part two. I don't see Emmo going past '93, especially
given Tracy's fast (but erratic) performances this year.

Now for the real question, who is going to coach Nigel on the following line:

"The Havoline K-mart dirt devil cellular one lola cosworth ran great all day."


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From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 20:06:30 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:

> In article <18338@acorn.co.uk> apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:

> > American Michael Andretti has signed to drive for the McLaren Formula One 
> > team in the 1993 world championship.        
 
> Quick!  Someone tell FISA.  They should be able to rejuggle the 1993 schedule
> Michael Andretti in F1 would be a big draw for a USGP.

Nah.  What they have to do is deny him a driving license because he
drove in Surfer's Paradise, twice.  Well, anyway, he took the green
flag at the start.

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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: Mclaren engines for '93 ??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:09:22 GMT

csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:

>From article <1158@racerx.bridge.COM>, by james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello):
>>>Does anyone know what Mclaren are using next year (evan a wild guess) ?
>> 
>> Wild guesses: BMW, Cosworth V12 (possibly with Jaguar badging), Peugeot 
>> 
>> Most likely: Mugen-badged Honda V10. "Honda" drops out, but provides
>> backdoor support through their "racing arm". This allows them more
>> latitude in playing with the money spigot, and provides a side benefit
>> of building up the Mugen name, allowing more growth in the "aftermarket"
>> parts business. 
>> 
>What about a Mugen-badged Honda V12?  If McLaren can come up with a fairly good
>chassis for next year, this year's V12 with the big "H" filed off the cam covers
>might not be so bad.


>Shane Roach
>csroach@eng.clemson.edu

	That was pretty funny Shane!!! But, in all seriousness, I would think
that that is what McLaren is going to have to do. Neither Peugeot nor Toyota
has expressed any interest for the '93 season. BMW won't have a working V-12
before '94, and Ford doesn't look to give their engines to Ron either. But,
Obi Aghanya posted that Nigel has re-signed with Team Willy, and look how
that turned out. Anyway, my prediction is McLaren-Mugen V-12 for '93. 

TOBY...

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From: "Kurt Zimmerman" <kuzimmer@frilled.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Little Al's next seat
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 9:29:15 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Does anybody have any insight (or reason for speculation) into the
following questions?

Paul Page mentioned during the Mid-Ohio race that Little Al might want
to fill Michael's seat at Newman-Haas.  Why would he want to do this
if he has such a good relationship with Galles?

Since Mansell announced his retirement from F1, is there any chance at
all that Unser might get a shot with Williams?  He has tested with
them hasn't he?  Or would the "must drive at Indy" keep him totally
out of the picture.
From: jmurphy@pop.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Patrese - actice suspension failure
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:19:08 GMT

Did anyone notice that Patrese seemed to loose his rear suspension? The car
had a noticable upward pitch of the front nose. Seems like the hydralics
failed in the rear suspension, or completly. The car was also bottoming
badly.

Does anyone have further info??? On ESPN the announcers did not even
notice...

Also, did anyone notice Hobbs stab at James Hunt when they were talking
about the Ronnie Peterson? That he was more responsible than Patrese for
the crash? Hobbs did not mention Hunt by name, just "another driver who
went on to be world champion" who I am sure was Hunt.

From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:54:37 GMT
Subject: Michael Andretti to McLaren !!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport


My local newspaper had a small article about Michael Andretti having
signed a 1 year contract with McLaren for the upcoming season...

bruno.
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar driver changes
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:31:08 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Dave Vollman writes:

>OK, I was listening to the mid-ohio indycar race on the IndyCar
>radio network, and here is a couple of things I heard for next
>years drivers:
>
>1) Mansall will be with Newmann-Haas (Does He get the #1 if Michael
>   wins the title?)

Why not?  Prost will probably get #1 next year with the F1 boys.

>2) Derrick Warwick will test Tuesday with Hall-VDS. If all goes
>   well, John Andretti will be looking for a ride next year.

I think Johansson was another that was mentioned for the test.  But
I would put my money on Warwick given Hall's preference for British
drivers over the years.  Lets see, Surtees, Elford, and Stewart.  
The rest were Americans.

Dan Jones
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From: nash@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Ron Nash)
Subject: Re: Need Help on FUEL ADDITIVES
Organization: SDSU Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:02:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.153523.23007%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter) writes:
>>Techron is available at many discount dept stores such as Sears, K-Mart.

>>SI-1 is sold only where Redline products are available i.e. at racing parts
>>shop.

>Or direct from RedLine (800-624-7958)

I buy Redline Sl-1 at Pep Boys in San Diego.


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