From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: A Shot Across Lebow (WAS Re: SJM slur alert)
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:20:04 GMT

Joining the Sleazebag Parade, Lebow proves he can twist and quote out of
context with the best of Liar Doug or the clueless Math Whiz.

> = (Paul Lebow) writes:
>> = S Mezias writes:

>Slur alert!  Examples of pro-abort rhetoric neatly woven in as mere 
>incidental remarks:

Extremist forced-birther attack!   Whooooooaaaa Nellie!!

>> If we just keep government out of women's uteri....

>Here SJM raises the unfounded Orwellian fear of invasive government 
>control.  

Unfounded?  Exactly how do you term a woman forced to give birth by her
government?  Oops!  Paul looks stupid already!  That wasn't hard.

>Neat trick - Totally distracts one from the truth - it is the 
>child in the uterus not the mean old government.

Except that it's a *fetus*, you're right.  With abortion legal, there is
no "mean old government".  If abortion were ever made illegal (fat
chance), then indeed the government is interfering with the woman's
reproductive decisions.

Too bad you're stuck with that pathetic pretense of not understanding
simple English.  Let's you pretend you're being wickedly funny though,
huh Paul?

>> ...not given the legal right to use their parents' bodies without
>> permission.

>Here SJM raises the bogus concept that the government never dictates how 
>we use our bodies.  

That's not what he said, asshole.  Quit lying.

The government never enslaves women and forces them to give birth.
You're certainly sounding thick here, Lebow.

>> I really like your analogies for the fetus FANATICS.  They do often
>> seem like CRAZED snipers to me, ... 

>(caps are mine - PL)

Why are you changing his statement?  

>Here SJM uses the ubiquitous "bogey man" innuendo.  To be pro-life one 
>must obviously be a crazed fanatic. 

It seems to be a general requirement, yes.  Some of the best laughs I've
had is "escorting" at an abortion clinic, and watching these
bible-screeching, hating lunatics with bad teeth spitting tobacco...

...and the men were even worse! <dit dit, *CRASH*>

>I hope you don't have any pro-life friends or relatives lurking in you
>closet!

Several relatives, only a few friends.  But they're the true
compassionate christian types, so we get to discuss abortion peacefully
and get along fine.

Of course here on t.a., we get all the frustrated no-lives and weenie
college students who get real brave behind their terminals.  They spout
hatred all day, along with their lack of compassion for women.

It's the Phyllis Schlafly Brigade - like you, Paul - who augment their
anti-abortionism with lies and narrow-mindedness, that I look out for.

>>...the fact is that they are quite intentionally TAKING AIM AT WOMEN.
>>...
>> SJM

Hey Paul, how about not pulling a Holtsinger, and letting readers see
the statement IN CONTEXT?  Another way to spot a dishonest pro-lifer.
You've done it *twice* now.

>Totally unsupported - but sounds great to the unsuspecting politically 
>correct.

Gads.  Doing the Limbaugh Rock again, Paul?

Anyone that states matter-of-factly that women should be forced to give
birth has a problem with women, or they mistakenly worship a fetus as
more important then the woman carrying it.  Hardly unsupported.  

>I guess the millions of men let off the hook through the magic 
>of the abortionist's wand is just incidental gravy.  

Hmm.  Maybe you could clarify whatever the hell this has to do with
Mezias' statement.  Sounds like you're just trying to get your whining
in for the day.

>Of course, men are just disinterested bystanders who have no stake
>whatsoever in keeping abortion legal.

EARTH TO PAUL!  What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

>And of course the concept of mothers killing their 
>offspring is a good light to hold women to.  

I thought we were talking about abortion.

If I was an anti-abortionist, I'd be embarrassed by this Paul guy.  His
patronizing, smirky innuendo and lies wouldn't sway the pope away from
pro-choice.



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