From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS... 
Originator: cmgeorg@c00557-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:18:55 GMT


After seeing weeks of discussion about whether to have a hardcore newsgroup,
I never really saw more than about two posts from people who know what hardcore
is.  Metal bands aren't hardcore- there's enough subdivision within the metal
ranks that hardcore has no relative meaning.  Old COC is hardcore, new COC
is heavy metal. Plain and simple.  You can't compare "Holier" with "Dance of
the Dead" they're completely different.

Hardcore stemmed from the punk movement of the late 70's and early 80's into
a music and philosophy that teaches one to think for themselves and to question
the motives of government and society as a whole.

Most hardcore is fast and energetic with emphasis focused on the lyrics and
their expression.  Hardcore tends to be a music made for the people by the
people.  Hardcore bands rarely exist to become money-making projects or to
be exploited to the hilt by mainstream views such as eMpTyV or Rolling Stone.

The term "Hardcore" is a style of music all in its own.  Older HC bands being:
Flipper, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, GBH, Exploited, old DRI, 
Circle Jerks.......While some of these bands have faded out or changed somewhat,
some are still alive and kicking to this day.

The hardcore bands of this day are: Youth of Today, Bad Religion, Pennywise,
Admiral, Cringer, Uniform Choice, Warzone..... the list is seemingly endless,
just check out Maximum Rock 'n Roll for a huge selection of bands.

Hardcore applied to musical styles such as "techno" still only describes bands
of the type that are harder than their counterparts.  They are NOT bands that
are considered "Hardcore".

There is no hardcore metal -there's death, thrash, speed, power, doom...
too many to really list, but you get the idea.  There may be a punk or hardcore
influence but to say that there's hardcore metal is jibberish.

For all you techno guys out there, if you feel the need to use the term
"Hardcore" to describe rave bands then please include the musical style to
which you are referring afterward.  (i.e. hardcore techno).

If you are talking within the realms of the techno world then it may be 
considered redundant to mention techno after hardcore.  But when you come out
into the world of musical classification and grouping,  the term "hardcore"
alone conjurs up ideas and bands of a quite different sort.

The point I'm trying to make is that you may consider many types of bands to
be more "hardcore" than others, but you can't step on the toes of what is
already deemed "Hardcore Music".

-chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
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 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
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