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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:53:02 GMT

In article <79376@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>}                      There is now denying that the Orange Bowl would
>}be a "home" game for Miami, but to say that playing in the Sugar Bowl
>}is only a minor advantage is ridiculous (worse than silly).  

>However, the closer to their normal home field conditions it is,
>the better teams seem to perform.

Agreed

>The crowd has very little to do with it.  Forget about silly
	       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you believe this, you've never been to an intense sports event.

>sports there is a MEASURABLE home field/court advantage.  What
>does the crowd have to do with the performance of a pro baseball
>team?  It's not the crowd, it's the familiar playing conditions.

Part of the "familiar playing conditions" IS the crowd.  Not that I
agree with the analogies from pro sports, but don't you think fans
waving things in front of you when you're taking a free-throw is 
distracting?

>Until recently it wasn't much of one, because Florida played on
>turf at home and they would generally play Georgia there, who
>played on grass.  Hmmm ... and since Florida started playing on
>grass at home they've had much better success against Georgia.
>(Of course there are other factors at work, such as the strengths
>of the two teams, but still this is an interesting validation.)

It's agreed that playing conditions like the field are important;
I just think you're not giving the crowd the attention it deserves.

>And Gene Stallings said the the SEC championship was not a home game, 
>even though it was played at Legion Field.  These guys are not 

Gene Stallings also didn't play IN the game.  I would trust the 
players' comments about the Sugar-Bowl-home-field-advantage-issue
more than his.  (Besides, what would he say?  He wants the SEC
championship at Legion Field because he KNOWS it's like a home
field.  If he were to say, "Oh, yeah, it's like playing home," do
you think the SEC would recommend keeping the championship game
there?)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Football - No fun, no future to it's players and recruits
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:31:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.231023.12529@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) wrote:

>      Yes, it is. No doubt about that, especially on paper. We all learned 
> arithmatics, we know 8 is better than 3, and we are smart enough to know
> 8-3 implys we won more times than we lost.
>     But ask the players on the team, ask the seniors, ask if they have won
> anything.  Ask how they really feel in their heart. Their heart says we NEVER
> won. And that is a disappointing feeling ! And that hurts the inside of 

If they're that disappointed, maybe they can go and play a year or two
for Tulane, or Navy, or Temple, so they can know what it feels like to
be the "doormat" for everyone else. Or better yet, why don't *you* follow
any or all of the above named teams next year.

Sheesh, 8-3-1 is a decent year! Things don't turn around over night, and
Federal Express does *not* deliver conference championships!

James
From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Dawkins is gone
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:36:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

This evening ESPN is reporting that Tuesday Cal's star wide receiver
Sean Dawkins will hold a press conference at which he'll announce
that he's entering the NFL draft.

I'm not all _that_ surprised.  Escaping from a sinking ship. :)


-- 
David G. Paschich	Comp Sci Undergrad Association		UC Berkeley
dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu			  dpassage@ana-ng.chaos.org
"We will create a new political climate where the system does not
attract ego-driven, power-hungry people." -- Ross Perot
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Where are the PSU fans now?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:57:55 GMT

In article <93005.070607KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
wrote:

>    The game has passed JoePa by.

Oh, I dunno. I hope Bama has proved once-and-for-all that a great
defense and a respectable offense is all that's required to do OK
in football. And that seems to be JoePa's style. 

James - 2-0 is a *beautiful* game
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:02:25 GMT

In article <ba9O03iac7Cg00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan5.152659.8254@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan5.022847.24704@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:

|> >|>   Hi, I'm Stephen McGuire <Hi, Steve!> and I've been humble for three
|> >|>   days now.  <applause> I once boasted that I would gain over 100
|> >|>   against the Alabama defense.  Then I met John Copeland and Eric Curry. 
|> >|>   They changed my life.  <applause> Their friend Antonion Langham
|> >|>   explained to me how I shouldn't go around writing checks my body
|> >|>   couldn't cash. 
|> 
|> Mcguire carried the ball 6 times I believe... Sorry... but it's tough to 
|> get 20 yards on that let alone 100! 

    McGuire was among the many publicly belittling the Alabama defense before the
game.  He made the statement that he would rush for 100 yards against them.  For
the record, he had 4 rushes for *1* yard.  Looks like he mistakenly added a couple
of zeroes to his pregame estimate.  That's an astonishing 0.25 yards per carry!
I'd say that, if he'd been allowed to carry the ball, say, 400 more times, he 
*would* have been able to get the 100 yards.  Simply a case of underutilization,
huh?  Here's a wrapup of Miami's total rushing yardage:

Bonnett       5    for    28 yards
L. Jones      3    for    26 yards
McGuire       4    for     1 yard
Toretta       5    for     1 yard
Williams      1    for    -8 yards

Totals       18    for    48 yards


|> The team that beat Nebraska
|> last year had a healthy Steven McGuire... this team didn't. 

    Oh, but that is part of the point.  He said he hadn't been healthy all year.
He also said that he was 100% for the Sugar Bowl before predicting his 100 yard
performance.

|> I think they'll be back, though... maybe even to the 
|> Sugar Bowl... to face Florida... no ... I don't see Bama beating them next 
|> year...

    Maybe so, maybe not.  Stay tuned.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
		  "All I need is a pint a day"
From: rmjarol@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Jarolin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1, because we're Floridians.
Keywords: Alabama
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:05:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond


	I watched the entire game from beginning to end.  My
opinion is that Alabama not only blewout Miami, but they
won by being a better team and definitely not by luck.

	If any Miami fan thinks that he/she has the right
to say that it was luck or that Miami had a bad day, then
they should look at the games that Miami squeaked through
this year:

	2 games:

	Florida State: A bad day at field goals.

	Penn State: Another bad day at field goals and
		, hmmm, an interception for a touchdown.
		The interception was not because Miami
		made a good play but because Penn State's
		quarterback made a bad play (remember he
		is inexperienced).  Also Penn State outplayed
		Miami in every category except score.

	There was another team, can't remember of hand, but
	I do remember that they won only because that team
	also had a bad day at field goals.

	A fitting defeat for a non-#1 team.


-- 
Be Aware of Those You Are Unaware Of!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:09:51 GMT

In article <aggie-070193081540@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>Back to FSU...it was on the radio this morning that junior OLB
>Sterling Palmer has entered the draft. This is the second LB
>that FSU is losing to the draft.

Yeah, this was pretty unfortunate...not for FSU so much as for Palmer. His 
stock for the NFL simply isn't high enough for him to make it right now. He
wasn't even a starter this year. He would have been the starter next year, and
this most likely would have helped him signinficantly. I just can't see him
doing too well in the draft right now.

>
>James

Kevin

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:43:17 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 93Jan12082600@gip.eecs.umich.edu, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.235957.26453@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>   In article <BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>   >In article <1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>   >
>   >   In article <1993Jan5.144901.14753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>   >   >Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin
>   >
>   >   *SIGH* We'll miss him.
>   >
>   >   >Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
>   >   >that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of
>   >
>   >   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.
>   >
>   >Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
>   >strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
>   >Who is left?
>
>   What, you're kidding right? Bama has LOADS of talent just waiting to kick
>   some butt...yeah, that's it. And their recruting class....OUCH...there will
>   be at LEAST 4 freshmen who will start for the Tide...yeah...and they will
>   all be named first team all-americans too. 
>
>   ROLL TIDE....get that #1 pre-season ranking (hey, anyone but FSU)
>
>Ahh, you were kidding.  Got it.  Too many names, it gets tough to remember
>who roots for their posting sight, against it, is neutral, or actually
>*works* for a living.

Actually it is extremely early anti-woofing in favor of FSU!  Keep it up
Kevin, the 'Noles need every advantage they can get what with the fates
seemingly against them too!  'Bama #1, now and preseason '93!

>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu

D. Head
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:38:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.133708.23420@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:

>	As an aside, does it bother anyone else that the college players leave
>early. I realize that they have $$$ staring them in the face but it seems to me
>like they are breaking a committment. The schools offer them a scholarship at the beginning that covers the whole time that they will be in school. They don't,
>and actually can't, reevaluate that committment every year. We could have long
>discussions on who is getting more out of this arrangement, the players or the
>schools, but it does seem that in these cases the players are not honoring the
>committments that they made when they signed the letters-of-intent. 
>***************************************************************
>Russ Wyborski               |The opinions expressed here are
>Biotechnology Dept.         |entirely my own and in no way

You are badly misinformed here. Scholarships are for one year and are
renewed only on a year to year basis. The only thing that keeps this
relationship from being called a standard fee for services payment is
tradition. See Murray Sperber's _College Sports Inc._.

--
 David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
*******************************************************************************
 Any correlation between my views and those of SPSS is strictly due to chance.
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama Recruiting
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:36:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan8.172606.1392@b11.b11.ingr.com> gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) writes:
> There are two seasons in Alabama,  football season and recruiting
> season.

Ditto.

> Feb 3 is the earliest date a student can sign a letter of intent.

Ditto.

> Players with a * by their name are exceptional. They are projected
> to contribute as freshmen unless they are redshirted.
> 
<Lists deleted>.

> Verbal commitments
> QB *Freddie Kitchens	6'3"	220	4.8
> OL *Charles Friend	6'3"	275	4.9
> LB *Fernando Davis	6'2"	222	4.7
> TE/LB Patrick Hape	6'4"	235	4.8

Oh yeah?  Well at Rutgers ALL the recruits "are projected
to contribute as freshmen unless they are redshirted."
Same for Miami, and even Temple.  No asterisks needed.

(I know what you mean,  Just having some fun).

d8-Q.
> 
> 
> These are leaning to bama:
> QB/FS Ken Alvis		6'3"	205	4.6
> DB Jason Bowers		6'	190	4.5
> WR Kenneth Clay		6'2"	174	4.6
> TE *Jesse McCovery	6'3"	250	4.7 top TE in the south good
>                                             blocker
> DT Maurice Morrissette	6'4"	270	4.9
> LB Rod Orr		6'4"	241	4.4
> OL Robert Poole		6'3"	290	5.0
> DB Taurus Turner	6'1"	193	4.5
> C Steve Wagner		6'6"	250	5.1
> DT Micah Anderson	6'5"	275	5.2
> RB *Derrick Beaver	5'6"	160	4.4 quick,  top small back
>                                             in south ?
> DT *Billy Beron		6'4"	260	4.8
> LB/FB Jason Coffey	6'1"	220	4.6
> NG *Kelton Dixon	6'3"	306	5.0 immoveable,  good pass rusher
> WR Rod Wright		6'	175	4.6
> WR Octavaus Barnes	6'3"	185	4.4
> DT/OT *Derek Delk	6'3"	275	5.0
> 
> 
> 
> These are some of the blue chip players considering Bama. All of
> these are players who can possibily contribute as early as their freshman
> year. Put a * by each one.
> 
> OG Willie Anderson	6'6"	290 	4.9 bama player of the year
> 					    one of the best in the nation
> RB Curtis Alexander	6'	190	4.4 tenn player ofthe year and 
> 					    top back in the south
> DB Derrick Steagall	6'2"	195	4.3 ga player of the year
> LB Melvin Dansby	6'4"	240	4.6
> QB Lance Tucker		6'	173	4.6 great natural athlete
> DB Marcus Campbell	6'2"	180	4.3
> LB Sam Cowart		6'2"	235	4.6
> LB Reinhard Wilson	6'3"	220	4.5
> LB Paul Pickett		6'3"	218	4.7
> RB Warren Dunn		5'9"	155	4.4
> RB Kevin Franklin	5'11"	175	4.3
> QB Trot Nixon		6'2"	190	4.4
> DB/RB Travis Cozart	6'2"	210	4.4
> LB Derrick Johnson	6'2"	235	4.6
> OT Trey Teague		6'5"	270	4.9
> LB Jason Walter		6'4"	225	4.7
> 
> This guy was leaning to Bama but is now going to Auburn:
> DE Ed Walker		6'5	235	4.8
> 
> 
> Roll Tide!


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Blame it on Gino
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:50:02 GMT

Although I've put up with a lot of excessive (to say the least) bragging by Canes
fans, even I am amazed at the number who now claim the 34-13 ass whuppin' was
Gino's fault! I know many of these said fans are classless, but turning on their
Heisman trophy-winning golden boy just because he spent half the game on his back
is rather ruthless. Even though I thought all season Gino was over-rated, trying
to hang a generally lousy Canes performance on his neck is IMO downright cowardly.

Gino had his head rattled by the end of the first quarter, I agree, but if it's
all his fault, where was that mighty offensive line? Or how about those "best
receivers in the nations?" Oh, I suppose Erickson was supposed to turn his
offesive strategy over to that backfield that put together -6 yards rushing in
the first half. 

The only thing worse than fans who are obnoxious about winning is
those who won't admit they lost because they were truly DOMINATED on the field.

Anthony

"The proof is in the pounding."    Bama 34   Canes 13
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: White or Brown? (Was Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:22:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


In article <aggie-080193123041@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes...
>In article <8JAN199309533217@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
>acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:
> 
>> I can see that the off-season is already in full swing.
> 
>I *suppose* we can discuss the senior bowls coming up...
> 

Nah, but in the spirit of the Great Tea Debate :

Of of the surest indications that I have found that Seattle is a
bassackwards place is that it's virtually impossible to get chicken fried
steak with white gravy on it.  (I have recently found Buddy's Homesick
Cafe, where it is done right.  Four stars.  Joe Bob says check it out.) My
frustration peaked one night when I spent about 30 minutes arguing the
subject with the manager of my favorite bar.  He explained that brown
gravy is meant for steaks and since CFS is actually a steak, putting white
gravy on it would be incorrect.  Fueled by several pitchers of beer, I
countered that I am a Southerner, CFS was invented by Southerners who put
white gravy on it, and that is the way it should be made, and that anyone
who thinks CFS is meant to be served with brown gravy is a pinko Communist
Yankee tree-hugger, or something like that.

Anyways, I was back in Texas over break, and ate at Grandy's, home of the
world's best fast-food CFS.  I ordered the all-you-can-eat plate with
fried okra (of course) and fries.  What the lady taking my order said
next, practically floored me :

	"Would you like white or brown gravy on your steak?"

Indignant, I replied, "What, do I sound like I'm from Connecticut or
something?  White, please," and spent the next few days sulking about the
incident before writing a letter to Phil Gramm asking him to ban brown
gravy in the state.

What's the deal?  Are Southern traditions crumbling in my absence?  Or was
this a sick joke by a deranged food-service employee?

Obligatory football : Does anyone know if Lamar Thomas has taken that
towel off his head yet?

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:31:38 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 891@b8.b8.ingr.com, witek@b8.b8.ingr.com (Vic Witek) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.224740.16462@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250) writes:
>> No, Florida does not import its football talent. The only article
>> I've ever seen on football demographics made the point that FL and CA
>> were the two major exporters of football players to the rest of the 
>> country. With California, one could account for it by saying they
>> have the largest pool of potential players, but it leaves Florida's
>> standing mysterious.
>> 
>> -ceh
>>   
>
>If Florida doesn't import its football talent, why are the starting
>quarterbacks for UF,FSU and UM from Mississippi, Georgia and California?
>Kind of makes you wonder. 


Florida State had Casey Weldon from Florida and now Charlie Ward (who is
from Thomasville, GA which is just barely across the border into Georgia).
And of course the impact newcomer is Tamarick Vanover, another Florida
product.  The sunshine and warm weather just makes 'em grow better and
faster!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alisg@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Reply-To: alisg@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:11:01 GMT

In article <1ialnvINNfrs@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>, ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>The University of Alabama football team won the national championship.  They
>played great football and showed class throughout the game.  Unfortunately,
>there seems to be a conspiracy on this net.  >>Some<< posters are attempting to
>portray Alabama fans as being sore winners.  Some posts are getting ridiculous.
>
>I am one of the few who will admit that I was rooting for Miami.  However,
>along with everyone else, I praise Alabama for being a great team.  The
>football team earned everyone's respect.  Unfortunately, that respect is
>decreasing the more I read this newsgoup.
>-- 
>Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
>ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!


I agree. As an Alabama alum and fan for 20+ years, I savored this win as much
as anyone, but this crowing represents the worst side of being a fan. "fan" is
NOT an abbreviation for "fanatic," or at least I wish it weren't.

I was appalled and embarrassed to read that Dennis Erickson's son was slapped
by a self-styled Alabama fan after the game because he was wearing Miami
regalia. Such a person is not only an insult to true fans, but also to the
human race.

Please don't temper your respect for the team and coaching staff because of the
behavior of some team followers.

george
     
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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Cooper Wuss! Smith! Ohio St
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:38:18 GMT


Earl Bruce's record was superior to Cooper Wuss! Cooper really earned
my respect when he declined to go for 2 and a win against the Skunks
from up North with 4 minutes to go in a tight game. Then with a 1 1/2 min.
to go and 4th on the 49, he punts rather than go for a chance to win.
And his bowl record for the Bucks has been perfect - 0 - 4!

He's a big PUSSY and shitty coach!  There are at least 5 coaches in the lowly
Big 10 who are better. 

Pres. Gee was stupid to extend his contract before the season started.

I have doubts whether Smith will make it in the NFL - I'm not sure he's good
enough. But I'm sure he's better at running a football than at chemistry!


But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
year than any other Big 10 school. [but it's too weak academically for
football players who want an education (:^) ]

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