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From: vincent@garnet.berkeley.edu (Vincent J. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Soundblaster Pro, K1 and CakeWalk Pro Windows
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:07:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Ok, had myu synth shippd out here. Ready to jam. But will it
work? Can I do sysex dumps to Windows via the Midi ports in the
soundblaster? Help!!!

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Subject: Re: Where does a remixer/producer go to school in New York?
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:09:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.024354.8317@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald  
Andrew Agarrat) writes:
|I really want to know ...
|
|I'm leaving my Computer Science major here in June and I'm  
|heading for my home, New York City.
|
|I really want to get in the music business.  However, I'm still  
|going to go to college ...
|

At NYU there is a program in Music Technology which covers traditional  
production, MIDI, and more experimental stuff such as using NeXTs for
machine synthesis.  NYU also has a good computer science department, and
you might be able to crossbreed your AI and Music interests.

Call 212-998-4500 for undergrad admissions.

Phil

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Research Associate      251 Mercer             fax:      212-995-4120
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kanko@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Mark Kanko)
Subject: WANTED:  Yamaha DOM-30
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:41:10 GMT

Please Email to kanko@asuvax.eas.asu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cjs39035@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Shay )
Subject: Sequencer prgrms for Mac
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:29:19 GMT

Are there any sequencer programs available over internet for the MacIntosh?
I am also looking for a program which could save the parameters for a sound
that I create. I recently bought a ks-32 by Ensoniq and I would rather save the 
sounds
that I create on the ks-32 on my MacIntosh via Midi rather than buy expensive
RAM cards. 

Please send any replies to shay@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu.

Thanks!

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: seh003@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: wanted CV/gate-->midi conv
Followup-To: alt.rave
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:26:53 GMT

In article <labmsp.722027040@unix.cc.emory.edu>, labmsp@emory.edu (Matthew Pease) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for a CV/gate <--> midi convertor so I can use my roland
> with midi.  Could someone please sell me one or point me in the right
> direction?
> 
> Thank you
> Sys X
> 

Rogue Music in New York sells a Vesta Kaza CV/Midi converter new for $199.
Their phone number is (212) 629-3708.

Hope this helps...


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From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Dudy)
Subject: Re: keyboard quest
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke departement Math-Info
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:13:57 GMT

Quoted from ddm@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (David Marquette):
>i am looking for a keyboard with the following features:
>
>	- multi-timbral
>
>	- primarily acoustic sounds
>	
>	- built-in sequencer (with multiple polyphonic track capability)
>
>	- number of voices - at least 32.
>
>	- built-in effects with the option of using external processing
>
>	- aftertouch - key aftertouch preferred
>
>	- price - around $1500
>
>	- capable of splitting, layering
>
...

Please post, I'm seeking for the same kind of thing.

C.
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Let her pale light in to fill up your room              |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: myc@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Michael Y Chiang)
Subject: WANTED: Performer for Macintosh
Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:07:26 GMT

Is anybody selling their copy of Performer for Mac?  E-mail me your
offer, including version number.  Thanks!
--
Michael Y. Chiang    | The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
myc@aplpy.jhuapl.edu |     "Food for thought!  Thought from food!" --DINOSAURS
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: DOWNLOAD SOFTWARE FOR ST???
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:29:24 GMT

steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister) writes:

>Does anyone know where I can get some software to dump patch files
>for my SY22 from a 1040st. I've looked everywere but never seen 
>anything about. An ftp site where I could pick one up from would
>be nice. I've probably got somthing useful that I could swap with
>somone.

1) Try posting to comp.sys.atari.st
2) Try the atari.archive.umich.edu ftp-site
3) Learn to program small stuff like this yourself :) Worth the effort,
   promise.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tjt@blink.att.com (Tim Thompson)
Subject: Re: Midiator interface
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:09:25 GMT

mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mike W. Burger) writes:
>	There is a misconception that it is a general purpose MIDI
>to serial translator that can be hung on any serial port.  It may

Perhaps some of the confusion is due to the fact that there is indeed
a MIDIATOR (specifically the model MS-114) that *can* be hung on any serial
port, using normal serial baud rates.   Please identify the model number(s)
you're talking about, it'll help eliminate confusion.    ...Tim...
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: adcg9841@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (flannelman)
Subject: For sale: HR-16 drum machine, ESQ-M synth
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:55:59 GMT


Hi folks.  A few electronic musical instruments for sale:

Alesis HR-16 drum machine 	$225

   This is the original 16-bit beast with velocity sensitive pads.  If you
   know what you're doing, you can simulate real drummers pretty well because
   the drum sounds are very good.

Ensoniq ESQ-M rackmount synth	$450

   Analog/digital hybrid synth.  Same as an rackmount ESQ-1 without the 
   sequencer.  Note that it is multi-timbral (can play up to 8 different
   patches at once).  This box has some very nice, thick "analog"-type
   sounds.  It's easy to program and has wonderful modulation capabilities.


Both units are in fine shape and have given me no problems.  I am getting
rid of them to reposition myself a bit, musically.  I think the prices i've
listed are reasonable and i will not be easily talked down (as both devices
are still worth quite a bit to me).  I would prefer to deal with folks in
this area (near Champaign-Urbana, IL).

Adam
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Idea for Wavestation
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:28:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: rose.1992Nov18.162828.15827
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 11-18-92 11:23

K > From: kraig@biostr.washington.edu (Kraig Eno)
K > Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
K > Subject: Idea for Wavestation sysex parameter recording
K > I was doodling the other day, finding out how to change voice 
parameters
K > on the fly from a sequencer, and I had this bright idea: not only can you
K > record parameter changes for timbral effects, but you can record all the
K > changes you make during an editing session.  How many times have you been
K > editing a sound, arrived at something you liked, and then lost it again?
K > I've complained before about the lack of multiple levels of UNDO -- if you
K > use COMPARE, it just goes back to where you started and the limitation hampers
K > the exploration process.
K > 
K > Give this a try: go to the MIDI page, set Parameters to TRANSMIT & RECEIVE,
K > and start your sequencer.  Then edit for a while.  Feel free to play a series
K > of notes to try out the sound whenever it's appropriate.  When you've explored
K > several different ideas, stop the recording and play it back at 3X speed by
K > setting the tempo way high.  It replays everything you did, and you can
K > compare the sounds as they change without worrying about how you got them.
K > The beauty is, you can stop it at any time (play it slow if necessary) and
K > save the settings, and you don't have to worry about "losing" ideas as you
K > work out the parameters.
K > 
K > You might call it "edit session logging".
K > 

Why didn't I think of this. Thanks.
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From: jawalsh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (John A. Walsh)
Subject: mac midi interface recommendations?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:53:21 GMT

I'm new to midi and am looking for a basic midi interface for my Classic
II.  I've come across three similar ones:

Passport MIDI Interface $65
Opcode MIDI Translator  $43
Altech MIDIFace LX      $35

All three have one MIDI IN and three MIDI outs.  Is there any reason not
to go w/ the cheapest of the three?  Or does anyone know where I can
beat these prices?  These prices are from MacWarehouse. 

Also, can anyone tell me how I can get the Casio CZ Librarian 3.0 to
work on my Classic II.  I keep getting the message "The application
'unknown' unexpectedly quit, because an error of 'type 1' occurred."  I
asked this once before, and someone suggested I try booting w/ system 6.
A good suggestion, but I can't boot w/ less than system 7 on my Classic
II :-(.  Any other suggestions?  Or has anyone gotten this program to
run on a Classic II.  I've gotten it to run on a IISI running system 7,
so I don't understand why it won't run on my Classic II.

Thanks to all who reply.

John 

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From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:39:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Chorus systemes, St Quentin en Yvelines, France
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yfwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (EE U780935) writes:
: CTIRABAS@ESTEC.BITNET () writes:
: > Hope it does not sound too silly...
: > A lot of games support music score thru MIDI interface (MPU-401 compatible).
: > They usually play an MT-32.
: > Does anybody know if a D-10, D-110 or even D-50 would work as well?
:  
: No!  If you use D-10 to play games, you'll hear incorrect music....
: Too bad....... :-(

On the Sierra BBS (209-683-8989) you can find patches
for using the D-* machines with some of their games.
Or was it on the MusicQuest BBS (214-881-7311)...?
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: tja@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Tim Arnold)
Subject: Mac midi products (was Re: mac midi interface recommendations?)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:56:32 GMT


jawalsh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (John A. Walsh) writes:

[asks about Mac MIDI interfaces]

Along the same lines, I am looking for a program a little like 
Notator (Atari ST) for the mac. I know of Professional Composer but the
MIDI facilities and sequencing are a bit disappointing.
What products are available and which interfacces do they work with?

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Gig Bags?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:42:33 GMT

Anybody know the numbers of some mail-order houses where I could get a gig
bag for my 61-key K4?  Responses welcome and appreciated by email.

LAiRD

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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI & Windows
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:41:22 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 11-17-92 10:38

Z(> From: zdenek@ksr.com (Zdenek Radouch)
Z(> Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Z(> Subject: MIDI & Windows

........stuff deleted.......

Z(> 
Z(> Windows suck; it's a disk and CPU hog and I would only run it because
Z(> the applications require it.
Z(> As Miller's article suggested, Windows run much faster in 'normal' mode,
Z(> switching to the 'enhanced' (386) mode is a waste. He also mentioned 
Z(> system crashes and I have to confirm; I crashed twice while running
Z(> Cadenza (these crashes fry the machine and you have to reboot).
Z(> I understand now that the demand for all those 100MHz '486 computers
Z(> is not just a 'gear lust' but often a necessity. My 20 MHz '386 with
Z(> 4Mb of memory just won't do. I would also have to replace my SVGA
Z(> controller with an accelerated version for Windows.
Z(> The software (both system and applications) needs a lot of work and
Z(> I have my doubts whether anyone will make these things work before they're
Z(> obsoleted by a new version of something (NT?).
Z(> 
Z(> This was the first time I couldn't get commercial applications run on
Z(> my computer and it made me question whether I should look into a different
Z(> platform. Unfortunately, I use the computer to do real work as well so
Z(> I'd have to add a new toy to my collection rather than replacing an existing
Z(> toy with a new one.
Z(> 
Z(> I'd welcome any comments from people successfully running a high end
Z(> sequencer on an IBM machine. I'd be also interested in how much would
Z(> one have to spend to get a working high end sequencer on a different
Z(> platform. I am interested in sequencers with standard notation and
Z(> preferably real time editing.
Z(> 

    I keep hearing horror stories like this all the time. I don't 
know. I've NEVER had problems with Windows 3.1 or installing software. 
Nevertheless, I run Wincake on a 386-33 with 5 megs of memory, MQX32m, 
ATI Wonder+ running in 800x600(256 colors), Norton disk cache, Qemm 
and other stuff. 
    I would recommend MQ's driver rather than Microsofts. At least use 
the MPU driver that came with Wincake. I understand that the driver 
included with Windows has its problems. Any program under Windows will 
run faster in standard mode although enhanced mode, at least on my 
machine, runs fine. The only improvement I would spend money on would 
be a faster video card.
    To change the current MPU driver, remove the current one from 
Windows, then install the new one. In Cakewin, go into "midi devices" 
and make sure that the "in" and "out" devices are highlighted. 
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From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Portable Organs:Farfisa, Vox
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:40:45 GMT
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Whilst I have many an analog board, my true love remains the cheezy 
transistorized portable organ from the 1960's.  I own a few, a Yamaha that
sounds like a combination farfisa/Vox, and a doric, which is an Italian 
Organ from the 1960's.  I wish to buy more, however, such as a Farfisa
compact or a Vox Continental or Vox Jaguar.  Does anyone have any? Are they
for sale?  Where can I find such Gems? Any leads?
I know this is a synth board, but these marvals of technology were their
ancestors!

Thank you for any Information.
Jonathan Disegi Boston University (jdisegi@acs.bu.edu).
From: jmw@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (John Mark Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What is a DX7-s?
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:25:51 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

waal@cwi.nl (Peter de Waal) writes:

>Hi,

>I am interested in buying a second hand DX7. I found one in a music store in
>Amsterdam for a reasonable price, but it appears to be a DX7-s. Can anybody
>tell me what the difference is between this beast and a regular DX7 or DX7II?

>--- Peter de Waal, CWI, Amsterdam ---

A DX7s is like the DX7II but will produce one sound only at a time, rather
than 2 - ie no splits or layers. It's a pity you are not a little
closer to me as mine is also for sale :-).

John


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School of Health Sciences, University of Tasmania
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Christopher Wroten)
Subject: Comments on Yamaha Clavinova CLP series, especially CLP-560??
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:44:12 GMT

I am looking at the Yamaha Clavinova CLP-560 as a replacement for a number of
falling-apart upright acoustic pianos in a grade 4-7 middle school. I need a
hard touch and the Yamaha had the hardest (58 grams). The sound from the
built-in speakers was *very* nice (I want one with built-in speakers because
I don't want to have to try to match an amp to the keyboard nor drag around
yet another piece of bulky equipment from class to class). The piano sound was
quite realistic! The quoted price was $2650.

Comments please on this model or the CLP line in general and the price.

Christopher Wroten, cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us
From: mccalld@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: AKAI sampler & MD320 disks
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:14:59 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

Greetings:


     I've just purchased an AKAI sampler with the MD320 optional disk unit.
I'd like to know where to get some more blank disks for this device and
if there is anyone out there with a similar sampler who might be willing
to do some trading of sounds!
dmc
mccalld@sonoma.edu
From: smike@santafe.Sitka.Sun.COM (Bruce Linde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: HELP! IS IT TRUE THAT PWR'D MIDI CNVRTR'S ARE O.K. W/ PB100?  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:39:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: santafe.sitka.sun.com
Keywords: midi, powerbook, 100, weasels rip my flesh
Cc: smike@sitka.sun.com



    i'd love to use my powerbook 100 in my studio instead of my trusty (?)
    mac plus (mastertracks pro 5.x), but i've heard tales of midi woes
    with powerbooks because the serial port is underpowered, and can not
    support non-powered mac-to-midi converters.

    1. Is this true?

    2. Will my powered (i.e., plugs into the wall) midi converter work?

    3. Is there anything else I should know (about this subject!)?
    
    4. Is there an existing collection of e-mail regarding this subject that
       someone can forward to me?  If not, I'll gladly summarize responses
       that come my way.

    
    Thanks,
    Bruce L.




Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dks8475@u.cc.utah.edu (David Kenneth Slack/Music)
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:47:45 GMT

>Roland will send you free of charge an alternate setup disk that has original
>data and MT-32 emulation data for the D-series multi-timbral synths, but
>it's formatted for one of their micro-composers. 

Does anybody have this MT-32 emulation data?  Could they send it to me?  I
uudecoded the MT-32 emulation data that was in this newsgroup, and FTP'd
it to ucsd.edu if anybody wants it that way, but if Roland put out an
official one, I'd like to get it...
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: Egg on my face (was supposed to be Rothwell and Metlay in EM)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:21:14 +0000

>I hope you all enjoyed every random byte of that
>last megadump.

A good test for my Courier DS+. Many thanks.

>I'm curious. Nick, a while back you posted some interesting details on various
>tests that you had done with the Powerbooks, yet not even a summary of
>these results made it into the EM article. How come?

They got chopped - editorial clipping to save space, or something. I don't
have the details.

There should be a follow-up, probably as a letter to the editor. Watch that
space for details; or, I can post our stuff here.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr)
Subject: FTP trouble
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:54:57 GMT


I FTPed a *lot* of files from nic.funet.fi and about 80-90% of them
cannot be 'unzipped'.  They generate a cryptic error message that
doesn't supply *any* idea why they are not working.

Has anyone FTPed files from this location and gotten them to work?

Alan
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From: mcp@netcom.com (Craig Presnell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wanted: Casio CZ series SysEx and patch data structures
Keywords: patch,casio,sysex,midi
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:33:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov18.173331.19429
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Does anyone have information on the patch data that the Casio
CZ series synths send through MIDI? I mainly need the algorithms
to decode/encode the information.

Thanks for your help.             

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