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From: 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: New Amigas(not 4000)?
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:33:33 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

OK, we've all heard the rumors(or are the facts) that Commodore will
be introducing new machines before Christmas and we've also heard 
that the 4000 was a rush job. So what are the speculations on the 
new machines? I mean this IS advocacy.;)  Are they going to basically
be 4000's with a weaker CPU or are they going to include some of 
the stuff that the 4000 couldn't because it was rushed.  I doubt
that they have a SCSI II or anything but what about the DSP they're
rumored to be working on? What about a new Paula so we can have REAL
high density drives instead of this half speed crap.(Don't get me 
wrong Commodore, half speed is better than no High density at all :))
and maybe even better sound to boot:). Or what about a new ramsey so
we can put more ram on the motherboard(or does ramsey not have anything
to do with this?).  And is everyone assuming that the new models all
have to necessarily be lower than the 4000?  Could commodore come 
out with what the 4000 was suppose to be(namely changes stated above)?
Come on, this is advocacy, you guys have degenerated a little too much
into reality lately, lets hear some conjecture!@!!!!!! I just might wait
till Cristmas till I buy my 4000!
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:07:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>But the very same games, demos, or anything that open non-standard screens
>that don't promote with AGA will probably not work with DIG.

[...]

>Problems will likely occur with games that do a lot of copper-list tricks,
>especially if they use different copper lists with even and odd scans.
>But, then again, most games don't use interlaced displays.

I asked a question about whether current games/productivity stuff would
be promoted, and the consensus fro e-mail was "maybe" (and thanks to
all who replied).

But in fiddling with a 4000 at the dealer, and asking questions of several
people whose opinions I trust, the conclusion I come to is any game that
makes the call to open a screen/window via established system calls can be
promoted to a non-interlaced screen.

Further, games in lo-res will be scan-doubled (again, provided they use
OS calls to open the screen).

Ah-hah sez you! Games don't use standard calls. But any game that can
multitask *has* to use established system routines to open their screens,
or else they couldn't multitask.

Example: Simearth is 640x400, and comes through in interlace. The game
multitasks nicely, and is most likely using established system calls
to open its screen. So the Simearth screen can be promoted.

Now, perhaps "Shadow Of the Beast" won't be scan-doubled, but frankly,
I don't care. I don't think I've booted from a floppy in about 3 years,
and I have no plans to do so in the future <g>.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Will the big American "change" give the Amiga a chance?
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:21:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Oct13.012100.16105
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0mnw@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>
>What a nitwit. If your life is so pathetic that you actually believe that a
>POLITICIAN can improve it, go ahead and pull the Donkey lever. Slick
>Willie's "Double Bubba" ticket won't change a damn thing.

   [flame ON]
   GET THIS OUT OF COMP.SYS.AMIGA.ADVOCACY >>>>NOW<<<<. In case you people have
forgotten how things work, this newsgroup if for COMPUTERS, not politics. Take
it to alt.politics.bitch.bitch.bitch or something. Just GO AWAY.
   [flame OFF]

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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:08:53 GMT
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
Organization: Sacramento Amiga Computer Club - Sacramento, CA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct10.034022.4067@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
> In article <mac1.718648841@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
> >
> > Got my copy of Amiga World today. Well I have to admit this, the A4000
> > thats on the cover looks like no computer I have ever seen. Its the ugliest
> > of them all.
> 
>    Yessir, it's an ugly machine alright. But the A2000 is by far the ugliest
> Amiga of them all. You want a box, that is a box. I big, buck ugly, heavy box.
> But it's got lots and lots of slots. :-)
>    Sure, a more glamorous looking machine would be aesthetically pleasing, but
> for now, let's just be glad we got a new chipset. 
> 
> -- 
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> Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                   BIX: ggiles 
> All opinions expressed are my own.            Internet: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu

I also thought the A4000 was an ugly looking box until I actually saw one
in person and used it.  It is really quite elegant.  I only see a couple of
things wrong with it:  You can only have one High Density Floppy drive.
The bottom 3.5" drive bay is too skinny to put another one in.  (You could
probably fit a regular low profile low density drive in there)  The other
thing is that the keyboard gets in the way of the standard floppy drive!
This is a big mistake...  most of us don't have all the deskspace in the
world.

I sure wouldn't mind having one, though.  :)  The HAM8 mode is simply
beautiful!

The 256 color WB seems faster on the 4000 than the 16 color WB on my
A3000/25 with 2meg Chip and 4meg Fast (256x4 Page Mode Zips)


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Keywords: Ugly
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:28:54 GMT

In article <mac1.718664304@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>
> If you can pack a Cray III in that UGLY A4000 box I sure would love to 
> get it,

Maybe, but you've gotta admit that Crays come in cool boxes...  :-)

>  Think about it, do you care how a car looks
> before you buy it or you just care if it runs good.  

This is because cars are designed to impress girls with.  Computers just don't
have the same pose value.


-- 
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 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Software Piracy
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:42:35 GMT

In article <92289.015218MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

[ ]
>
>Now the PClone world, on the other hand, has rampant, unbelievable piracy.
>The 9 out of 10 figure is NOT an exaggeration. I've seen it myself. For
>a lot of software it's probably more than 9 out of 10! But on the other
>hand there are so damn many of the things (PClones) out there that software
>manufacturers can still make a profit off of the slim proportion of honest
>clone users.

I don't want this to be taken as any kind of defense of the pirate world,
especially in small maket computers (NeXT, Amiga, Atari,GS, etc...), however
people have to get some reward for having to put up with the PC.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:37:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct6.101609.9282@vax.oxford.ac.uk> susher@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
[interesting discussion deleted]
The current versions of GEM do allow multiple windows on the same drive, you
>are talking of the old versions. GEM is getting rather like the Mac finder. I
>agree, there is very little in the way of style guides for the ST[e]/TT/Falcon,
>but most of it SHOULD be common sense, pitty many programmers don't have it
>isn't it!

   Let's say that you were weaned on an Intel clone.  Now, you're a bigtime
mutli platform computer-programmer-god.  Now, you've never seen an Amiga
or an ST[e]/TT/Falcon or a Mac before, but you are required to port an app
for the machines (so what if it's not realistic :).  Well, you don't know
how to take advantage of the features of any of the machines, and common
sense doesn't help with totaly unfamiliar archetectures.  Fine, I can just
use the Reference Manuals put out by Commodoer with ease, the Manuals for
the Mac by Apple, uh, oh, what to do about the ST?  (and nobody say: 'call
a hacker!' :)

   Kinda blows the 'common sense' thing, eh?

--Jason Balicki 
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

PS: sorry about the typos, I'm in my office hours and I never know when some-
one is going to be coming in so I have to hurry.

>I agree, mostly. AmigaDOS is easy to program, Intuition, from what I've heard
>is quite simple. On the Atari's TOS is also simple, it's only when you get into
>the realms of GEM do things go awol!
>
>Steve
>
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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:41:43 GMT

jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:

>In article <2qvzazm@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:

>>In all seriousness, you probably can use QuickTime in the same way Mac Classics
>>can... which may be not at all, may be in B&W only at like 1 frame every 10
>>seconds... I just don't know.

>I believe that QuickTime on a 68000 is not possible as it has been created with
>68020-only code.  I'm not 100% positive on that, though.

  That's correct.  QuickTime requires Colour QuickDraw, which in turn
requires at least a 68020 (and probably the 256K Mac II Roms) for its
bitfield operations.  At one point, there was a plan to port QuickTime
to 68000 machines by porting Colour QuickDraw, but now that Apple no
longer makes 68000 machines, I don't think they'll bother.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:03:13 GMT

In article <1b1nnfINN2lp@network.ucsd.edu>, thom@crayfish.ucsd.edu (Thom Cleland) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.042221.9288@disk.uucp> sparks@disk.uucp (John Sparks) writes:
|> >Why couldn't CBM do this? WHY? Even Dave Haynie said this was what he 
|> >wants in a machine (totally modular). If they can put the CPU on a separate
|> >board, why not the graphics chips? why not the sound chip?
|> >PC's do it, Macs do it. CBM should have done it with the A2000 forward.
|> >
|> Indeed, that's exactly what they did in the A4000!  The AGA graphics
|> subsystem is on its own separate board, which happens to be horizontal
|> within the machine.  The CPU subsystem is on a separate board which 
|> happens to be vertical within the machine.  To the best of my knowledge,
|> you can pop out your CPU card etc., replace the "motherboard" with a 
|> new "motherboard", pop the CPU into the new motherboard and go--such
|> "motherboards" containing some new VAGA graphics subsystem  (Very A.G.A).
|> Sure, you've got the CIAs and some port-controlling logic on board as
|> well, but I don't think  (though neither do I know)  that that's the 
|> expensive part of a new board.  Just think of it as an expansion board
|> that happens to be flat on the bottom of the computer.  

Oh, come on!!!

Your "graphics subsystem" board (rightly called the motherboard, you can drop
the quotes...) just happens to have all of the ports, connectors, and the 
bloody POWER SUPPLY mounted to it!!!!

No, that's not what I call modular...

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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Flaws?
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:26:25 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

I notice that Mac Quadras don't have on-board DSPs, that Silicon Graphics
uses a drop-board with its lower end machines that it was showing off doing
real time rendering and animation at MacWorld, that Sun doesn't have a DSP
on the system board, nor does IBM on the RS/6000, or Hewlett-Packard on its
32 bit machines, etc.


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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Documentation for A(G)A?!? THE SOLUTION!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:39:01 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

I heard an employee at a software store say, "I HATE THE AMIGA!  SOMEONE
BUYS A GAME AND IT DOESN'T RUN ON THEIR MACHINE AND THEY TAKE IT BACK!!!!!"
Yeah, well, while most people here in the bitstream know the reason for
that is cheapass cowboy programmers banging directly on the hardware and
testing only on their little circle of beta tester friends on a particular
model of Euromachine, what the store employee owners know is they've got
merchandise that has gone out and come back, and an irritated
customer.......   

  Given that part of the story, NOT letting anyone bang on the hardware
except for people who do their own internal custom software, that never
gets outside and is used internally for things like calculating the
bandwidth and power required for communications connectivity in conceptual
defense systems, seems warranted.....


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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000, A Marketable Machine?
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:21:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Oct11.152147.23666
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <jayson.03vl@tbag.tscs.com> jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips) writes:
> 
>The A4000 seems to be a "here's what we're
>giving  you" rather than a "what does the market want" machine.  The market
>wants  SCSI,  16-bit sound and non-interlaced hi-res. 

   While I sympathize with you on SCSI, I also believe that there was more NEED
(not simply desire) for more colors and a complete machine that costs less than
what the A3000 used to go for. Ask anyone that does video work or games for a
living, and they'll probably tell you the one thing they hated the most about
the Amiga until recently was the lack of colors in high resolutions. The next
thing on their list would almost certainly be cost - it (was) too expensive to
make it a "consumer-priced" machine. The A4000 addressed both of these problems.
   While improved sound would be nice, I really don't see how we "need" better.
Many people "want" better sound, but I don't believe it's a dire issue (yet).

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From: dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: The Real A4000 Argument.  Barrett Bashing, Too... : )
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.063836.17258@netcom.com> jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:
>[Useless plea to follupto .advocacy deleted]
>In article <1992Oct11.151358.27772@src4src.linet.org> bill@src4src.linet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:
>>My whole problem with the A4000 is:
>>-Commodore says there won't be any trade-in's for another 9 months!
>
>Where did you hear that?
>That actually sounds quite excellent.  Perhaps they are waiting for
>SCSI and DSP before offering a trade-in.  This would make marketing a
>forward-thinking group, which is a nice, pleasant thought.

	I heard a rumor that CBM would be giving free motherboard upgrades 
to anyone with an A3000 who has Gold Service and has a repair which requires
it.


	THIS CLAY MORE, TWAS A BITTA YOU MORE



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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:06:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.091715.3997@tamsun.tamu.edu> sfuller@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steve Fuller) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.064506.14933@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>
>>	What was that thing that Apple released, called the System 7
>>Tune Up? Wasn't that the program to upgrade the original Quadras to the
>>latest version?
>
>No. 
>
>The Quadras shipped with 7.0.1, the latest version (until next week).
>The 68040 cache-compatability problem was created by people writing
>self-modifing code, something that Apple had warned could cause problems in
>future Macs.
>
>System 7 Tune-up has nothing to do with the Quadras specifically.

	No but it's for what the name implies ie. SYS 7 bugfix. Some serious
bugs showd up the most famous one was the dissapearing folder. A bug admitted
even by apple although worded in a special way. Hardly a problem that has
 ever shown up but roumored to do so, well here is a fix for it :-)
	A similar problem was fro the Amiga at pre 1.3 time when you'd
put a drawer in a subdrawer !! A problem that does not happen now.
	George
From: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>In article <1671@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>
>>  Guess what - the original 2091 SCSI card doesn't work in the A4000!!
>>You will currently have to disable DMA in order to make it work (don't
>>ask me why). So you will end up with polled I/O anyhow. CBM better get
>>that SCSI-II controller ready real soon...
>
>The A2091 works fine with the A4000.  Really old ROMs never worked, they,
>like many Zorro II autoboot drivers, never considered that the first
>Fast RAM you allocate might not be in the 24-bit space (eg, DMA-able).
>I think some prototype A4000s may have been sent out with the wrong backplanes,
>those might have caused A2091 problems, but there's no problem on real units.

	Pre-production A4000's didn't have fully working Z-II DMA.  Production
units do.  A2091's will work, though there are some issues.  First, pre-6.6
(or maybe 6.1) ROMs have no chance of working, as dave said, unless all fast
ram is removed.  Second, even 6.6 roms don't deal with '040 caches correctly
(the driver needs to call CachePreDMA/CachePostDMA).  Also, I'm not certain
whether the 6.6 roms had the 0x00ffffff DMA mask check built in (though by
proper masks in HDToolbox, you may be ok after boot).

	The best solution is a new 2091 driver (post-6.6).

>Thing is, you don't want DMA with the A2091.  The memory you want your
>programs in can be reached by 24-bit DMA.  Chip RAM can, but you don't want
>DMA going there, since it's a much more limited resource.  

	Speed of a 2091 in an A4000:

	chip ram: ~1.5MB/s, 0% CPU free
	fast ram: ~450K/s, 0% CPU free

	These tests were of course with a very fast HD (4MB/s on an A3000).
The 0% CPU free for chip ram (DMA) is because all bus time is being spent in
Z-II DMA cycles.  The transfers can lock the mouse pointer up a bit.

	How do I know?  I took an A4000 and A2091 with a 1.3gig disk with me
on my vacation.  I even survived addiction to Civilization (so far), lousy
port though it is.  It was easier to grab everything from my tower over the net
than to sort out what I really wanted.  I don't have any large IDE drives
(I gave them all back to the QA/PA/SA guys).

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Will the big American "change" give the Amiga a chance?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:29:17 GMT

Good grief.
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"I have never understood why it should be neccessary to become irrational in
 order to prove that you care. Or indeed why it should be neccessary to prove
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From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: does wb3.0 support SAGE?
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:37:42 GMT

dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer) writes:

>Hey!

>	Does anyone remember the early posts on workbench 3.0
>that mentioned SAGE support?  So if I ran wb3.0, could I use 
>a resolver directly, rather than the "resolverbench"?

No.

Regards.
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University of Paderborn (Germany)