From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Has Denis Seen the Light or is he just passing gas?  Re: Tom Gray who is ra*
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:48:15 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <BtLD6z.454@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>The day tom gray will accept the fact he is racist, maybe I will
>answer to his racist postings.

Denis - I don't care if you ever answer one of my postings. Just do
not spread historical fantasies about the history of Canada.
You are a Quebec nationalist (though I do not think that Quebec
nationalism should be thought limited to your xenophobic
attitudes). You have the right to urge political change to
further your *ideals*. 

Denis - just don't expect not to be challenged when you try
to spread your little fantasies of domination.

Denis - I'll ask the probably rhetorical question again.

After the Act of Union, the British attempted to exclude the
Frecnh Canadian from the government and to denationalize the
Frecnh culture. This attempt was rejected by politicians
of both cultures in Canada who forced the UK to accept
French Reformers in the government. The followed this
with the practice of the double majority and control
of cultural matters by the members from the affected
cultural group.

Now Denis - does this sound like domination or the
cooperation of practical people who know that they
have to find ways in which two intermingled cultures
can live together?

Now is that not a direct question?

>
>In article <12671@grayt> grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) writes:
>>A challenge went out to one  of the frequent posters to this net
>>to support his constant assertions of anglo-intolerance. He was
>
>constant?  I just pointed many historical facts.  I can't change history
>for your racist pleasure.

Denis - Denis - was the fact, the vote that did not take place in
favour of Confederation when in fact it did. Was the fact that Confederation
received support from what was to become Quebec when you claimed that
this was just an Anglo plot?

>
>A challenge?  Do you know what is a challenge?  Doing the best you can,
>Not responding to racism based assumptions from someone eliminating
>historical data to better improve his position in a debate.
>

Is this satement self-referential? I cannot see how it applies to me.
I just asked a question about the historic cooperation between the
French and English cultures in the legislature of the United
Canadas (1840-50) and I am accused of eleiminating historical data.

Denis - where is your evidence that would prove me wrong. Was
Baldwin secretly in league with the UK? Was Lafontaine really
Queen Victoria in disguise? Did Cartier really mean to suppress
the French lnaguage when he won its recognition.

Denis - all you had to do was to supply some historical fact.
All you have done is attempt to insult me (poorly but the
attempt was there). Denis - all you have done is create
some more accusations of domiation without providing any
evidence in historical fact.

>>asked to support his assertions in the face of evidence in history
>>of cooperation between the two groups.
>
>Cooperation?  Before 1976, it was direct domination in many jobs.
>You're kidding, don't you?

Before 1976 (Louis St. Laurent, Wilfred Laurier, creation of
the Official Languages Act,  creation of Hydro Quebec,
recognition of right of residents of Quebec to control
their culture .....)

Denis - whatever happened to the Quiet Revolution. You
Trudeau, Pelletier, Marchand and the like. You know the
people who really defeated Duplessis. Do you forget them
because they were not afraid of the Anglo but could
work with their fellow citizens and respect their culture.

Denis- by 1976 the Quiet Revolution had been long won.
There was universal education in Quebec and a federal
government controlled by the people who had created the
Quiet Revolution. Why do you think 1976 is significant.

>
>>
>>Well Denis has not been able to reply so I hope we have seen the
>>last of his Canada bashing posts with references to Anglo
>>"Master Races" like the "NAZIs"
>>
>
>You forget, in your racist limited mind, that this was in a response
>to a posting comparing the Quebec laws to South Africa's.
>

No Denis - my limited mind remembers that you wrote that the
English in Canada regard themseleves as a Master Race like
the NAZI's and so could not possible accept French or
Aboriginal cultures. Now youi could have let your fantasies
run away with your rhetoric but the idea that Canada is
based on domination and cannot accept more than one culture
is an idea that you have expressed many times. 
It is an historically false idea. However from the
evidence of your posting, I see that it is an idea that
you propose for a new Quebec.

Bye Bye Denis - have a nice day.



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