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From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: Colorado?
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:57:44 GMT

In article <gezogsm00WcD9BvX1N@andrew.cmu.edu> James Francis Thomas <jt2t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does antone know what resorts are open, and what the conditions are like?


Open: Vail, Breckenridge, Keystone, A-Basin ( that's all the first hand info
      I've got)
Open soon: Copper(11/13) Winter Park, Aspen, Wolf Creek, Crested Butte,
           Purgatory, Telluride. (Some of these may be operating already,
           I just didn't hear about it.)

Conditions in Summit County: 2.5 feet of new since Sat. Currently Snowing
                             like a Banshee, Winter Storm Watch in effect.
                             I'm out of Firewood! RATS. Temp is resonably
                             cool, so snow is GREAT!
Ski Cnditions: Not yet overrun by Texans or Californians ;^> but we 
               do need the cash. 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 19:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.221815.13954@fcom.cc.utah.edu> klaus@ced.utah.edu writes:

Wow, and people say Utah's no fun!

>Try living in a ski town. You
>wanna see selfish. People who are in town for 1 week that think they
>own the place to the point of urinating on your front yard... walking
>in your front door asking, "Is this where the party is?" Couples having
>sex on the church steps next door so loud my dogs want to join in.
>Tourists (tourons) feeding my dogs ice cream cones so they can get a
>cute picture. People passing out in my car (not my friends..
>strangers.) People skiing down my street, running into my car. Loud,
>obnoxius, drunken, or drug affected people yelling, screaming, howling
>at street lights at 3 in the morning... on a weeknight. People
>illegally parking in driveways, double parking, etc. People driving the
>wrong way on the one way street in front of my house causing accidents
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Long-range ski-passes...
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:27:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: L.A. Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Nov04.205308.6655@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>Just read about a "Gold Card pass" available for CA resorts.  $1850 buys
>you a pass for the season, good for a full lift ticket at any resort,
>downhill or XC.  Interesting thing is that it IS fully transferable, they
>said in the ad you can give it to your friends, sounds like they're pushing
>it as a promotional tool for businesses.
>
>Don't know how they prevent less than scrupulous users from sharing it
>among several users in one day (not that I'd do that, but hey, I'm a
>computer person, it's my job to find flaws in logic!). Perhaps it's like

This sounds like the coveted Colorado Gold Medallion.  I have a friend
who is a lodge owner in Breck and he has had one for about 15 years
now.  In fact, he managed to get another one about 10 years ago.  All
the funds go to support Colorado Ski Country, the promotional organization
for Colorado skiing.  The waiting list is long and the cost is a lot greater
than say a Ski the Summit Pass but the benefits for a lodge owner are great.
It's fully transferable, and accepted at all Colorado ski resorts.  This
allows him to ski with his guests wherever they decide to go as well as
reward the more likable ones.  But the greatest part is hanging that numbered
medallion around your neck, it can really turn you into an instant snob.
To use it, you must present it at the ticket window for a ticket.  The
number is recorded and you sign for it.  This prevents you from giving it
to your friends at the back of the line.  There is really nothing from
stopping you from going to other resorts the same day and doing the same
thing.  In fact we did that a few times when conditions were really lousy
at our first choice.  However, for me at least, once I get a ticket, there
is almost nothing that can stop me from getting on that chair and doing
that ski thing.  I also think that they make you put the ticket on at the
ticket window nowadays.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: VAIL Questions
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <Bx7A2x.Ap5@fc.sde.hp.com> bruno@fc.hp.com (Bruno Melli) writes:
>> First off Paul, Vail is certainly one of the most popular and crowded
>> resorts in the country.
>
>The 3 times I went to ski at Vail I didn't find it that crowded. If you
>get early enough to the bottom lift you can get up the mountain without
>wait. After that the resort is so big that you hardly ever wait.

I suppose you can get lucky, but my one experience (mid-week, February, 
not particulary great conditions, nowhere near a holiday) was that there 
were lines of about 20 minutes -- near infinity in my opinion -- at many 
places including the lifts in the bowls.  Orient Express was terrible 
because there are too many good intermediate routes down there.  Only 
the lift on Highline was sensible.  

But this is all apocrypha, as someone else noted.  There is one piece 
of evidence that Vail is crowded:  the lift-line warning lights.  I 
know of no other place that puts up giant signs that tell if a lift 
has a line longer than 20 (!) minutes or less than 20 minutes.  Most 
places I like to ski would never have to turn on the warning light. 
Vail actually reduced their profit to put these up. 

Now if there was a way to break in to their system so that you could 
lead people to believe that certain lifts were closed....

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Boots?
Keywords: ski boots
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:50:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Nov7.025011.12081
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

>Sure. I always spray my boot liners with a silicone spray lubricant,
>I do this several times during the season. This makes the boot fit better
>(at least in my case), and saves lots of wear and tear on the liner.
>It makes is easier to remove the liners, and to put them back into
>the boot. Drying the liners by removing them and putting them near
>heating vents in my house works very well for me.

Depending on the what the liners are made of, this might not be a
good idea. The old Hanson boots (from the late 70s) had a liner which
made sliding your foot in and out kind of hard, and they recommended using
a silicon spray to make it easier (they even sold their own). It turned out
that after a few years the liner would start disintegrating if you used the
spray too often.

Bill Hery
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: TEXAS SKIERS SAY WHAT?
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:49:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <jpugh-101192001531@kip2-56.apple.com> jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh) writes:
>One of our favorite Texan quotes was from an old guy trying to teach a
>younger fellow to ski.  He was obviously talking about bending at the knee
>and ankle and getting pressure on the inside edge, but it was just the way
>he said it.
>
>     Hunker on down! That's right, mash on it!
>
>You gotta get the twang on the "mash" to really do it justice.
>
>I just don't want to be called a party pooper.  The banter is great here.
>
>Mash on it!

You're right, the banter is great.  But Texas bashing is part of the banter
(as is Texas defense, of which I am ashamed to say, I've been a part).  I'm
trying to think of an "English" word that would rhyme with your "mash."
Like "face" if it ended in "sh."

I'm a linguist, so I like these fact-bits.  Have you ever noticed how Merle
Haggard  manages to get "bank" to rhyme with "drink?"

"Hey, take all the money in the bank,
 Think I'll just sit here and drink."

MASSIVE vowel shift.

No snow, but a big front is coming.  Wolf Creek is open.  Next weekend is
the "on the hill" for the local patrol, then I'm off to Colorado and Utah.


h. kelly "sitting here, going nuts, waiting for real snow" shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: Denver area,  who's open ?
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.164836.104@kpc.com>, dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston) writes:
|> In article <lff1itINN51r@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
|> >
|> >I'm in Denver next week on business.  Looks like there is snow.  
|> >WHo will be open ?
|> >
|> >Copper/Brek/winter park, etc..... ?
|> >
|> Loveland and Keystone are open. Copper opens tomorrow, Breck on the 20th
|> A-Basin around the 15th

Vail opens tomorrow (11/6), $25, no discounts honored.  I just checked
Copper's snow line and it still says 11/20, but maybe sooner depending
on weather.

Keystone only has 1 lift open to lower Paymaster.


Dave Buehmann         Voice:    (303) 581-2318
Intergraph (Dazix)    Fax:      (303) 581-9972
5101 Spine Road       Internet: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Boulder, CO  80301
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Price Check: K9 Extreeme
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:37:27 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Christopher J. Ambler, Phish (cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu) wrote:

> K2 Extreme, list price is $499.00, I've been quotes $419 by my local
> ski shop. Anyone have an opinion on the price?

 Yeah. List price of $499 means that the dealer is paying
 oh, around $250.00 or so for that ski...possibly less, depends on the
 dealer. You *should* be able to get that ski for less than $400.00.
 If you know what you're doing you can get it for *way* less.

> Also, Salomon 957 bindings at $169.

 Reasonable price on the bindings.

> Just tapping the expertice on the net to make sure I'm not being
> ripped 

 You're not being ripped off...$419.00 is probably a "good" price in that
 most ski shops will *try* to get that much out of you. Personally I 
 wouldn't stand for it, but I'm kinda jaded.

 ..glen
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:53:29 GMT
	<1992Nov08.203413.20517@bnr.ca> <9339@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
	<1dltvkINNf50@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
	<SSH.92Nov9085732@snow.boulder.ibm.com>
	<1992Nov10.232852.7061@ncar.ucar.edu>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Good discussion!  Thanks!

My concern is very specific when it comes to the discrimination issue:  When it
comes to positions in teaching institutions (like churches and schools), values
are a vital component.  If a prospective employee's values to not match those
of the institution, the institution should have recourse (i.e., be able to
refuse them employment).  In living situations, values are also important, and
one should be able to choose one's housemates with that in mind.  In other
parts of the country, both of these abilities have been removed by claims of
discrimination against homosexuals.

Do you disagree that values are important in these situations?  Do you disagree
that I should have the ability to see that my children are taught the values I
hold?  Do you disagree that I should be able to refuse to live with someone who
disagrees with my values?  (For instance, I would refuse to live with someone
who chose to have illicit sexual relations, regardless of their sexual
orientation, yet if they were homosexual and there was an anti-discrimination
ordinance in effect, I could be fined and forced -- yes, it has happened!)

You may not agree with my values.  However, would you force your values on me
and my children?
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: simong@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (simon alexander gregory)
Subject: INFO ON CANADA WANTED
Summary: INFO ON CANADA WANTED
Keywords: info canada
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:58:18 GMT


I am from Australia, and did a CSIA level 2 instructor's
Course in Canada last year, at Whistler/Blackcomb.  I am
hoping to return there this year and find a job as an instructor,
but am unsure about the costs involved.

I was with a tour last time I went across, so did not really
get a good idea on the prices which are available for people
working in Canadian resorts.

Can anyone help me out with the following questions? :

    1)  How much would I expect to earn (weekly, say working 5
        days per week (instructing)).

    2)  What would I expect to pay for accommodation, and as a 
        deposit for accommodation?  Is it hard to come by cheap
        accommodation at the start of the season?

    3)  What would my weekly food bill be expected to be?

    4)  Would I have to purchase a season pass, or would this be 
        given to me.  How much would it cost?

    5)  What sort of pro deals are available on equipment?

    6)  How difficult is it to obtain work?

Thanks for your help,
        
                     simong.
From: hansont@druhi.ATT.COM (HansonTC)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in Summit County
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:28:59 GMT
Reply-To: hansont@druhi.ATT.COM (HansonTC)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

>> The best deals on skis, IMO, are at Colorado Ski and Golf in Aurora. Jerome's
>> got the lowest prices and best service around.
>
>I agree.  And their service is excellent.  They guarentee that your new boots 
>will fit by the end of the season or they'll take 'em back and give you
>store credit for your purchase price.

Another place to keep in mind is Play it Again Sports in Boulder. They
have great deals on Used/Demo Skis--- if you are starting and don't
want to spend outrageous amounts of $$-- try $99 for Rossi 4G's with
M48s or $99 for 7S's with bindings---

Best price on new Redfeathers too...

-tch
Tom Hanson
AT&T Bell Labs, Denver

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From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: BoyCoT THIS!
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:02:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I don't even know how I got trapped in this thread but...

logically i have to agree with the amendment with the exception of
the discrimination part.  It should have been omitted.  I would
hope this "right" would not be abused. Remember we are also dealing
with people who will fight you with the religious aspect.  And there
are any number of excuses an employer can use to deny employment or
revoke it.  It is hard to prove.  You will alls fine someone who
will discriminate against you (all of us).  You just have to surround
yourself with others who believe as you do.  I believe homosexuality
is wrong as I believe some of the things my heterosexual friends do
is wrong.  To me there is no difference.  Sexual orientation is
irrelavent.

MANY MANY Appologies to ski people (besides me) for getting off the subject.
This is my ABSOLUT (good vodka) LAST post on this.

and I WILL ski CO this winter.

Mark E. Porterfield
ISA
PSC

**Send flames to /dev/null * If you don't I will** 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rosario@oceanlaw.com
Subject: Aspen Open?
Distribution: NA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:11:23 GMT


Aspen was open last weekend, is open this weekend, and maybe open next  
weekend if the weather is good. They will not tell you until probably next  
monday if they will commit to being open the 21st. Runs at the top are  
open, intermediate only. probably the best snow in colorado at this time. 
--

--------------------------------
Rosario Perry 
rosario@oceanlaw.com
--------------------------------
-- 

--------------------------------
Rosario Perry 
rosario@oceanlaw.com
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Mt Snow, Ski Condo for rent
Keywords: Mt Snow, Ski Condo for rent
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:58:02 GMT
Distribution: usa

G'day,
 
Mt. Snow is now open for skiing on a limited basis.
At least one trail is open with others anticipated soon.
People were skiing last Saturday.
 
advert on.....
 
               SKI CONDO FOR RENT AT MT SNOW
 
We have a condo at Mt. Snow that you can rent.
 
The particulars are:
 
Mt Snow condo located within the Mt Snow complex at
Snow Mountain Village
 
2 bedrooms 2 baths
(1 queen size, 2 twin size, 1 hide-a-bed (queen size))
 one bath has a `whirlpool tub'
Linens included
Living room/kitchen/dining area combined
 (tv, phone, stove, dishwasher, frig)
Fireplace (wood included)
Deck
Nice view of Mt Snow ski trails.
Indoor pool/hot tub/whirlpool bath in adjacent building
Sauna in the same building
Washer/Dryer in the same building
Free shuttle bus to the slopes
 
If you are interested, email/call me for rental procedures.
 
Dave Rogers
817 Holly Dr. E. Rt. 10
Annapolis, Md 21401
410-757-5724
dfr@usna.navy.mil

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From: chan@hawking.jpmorgan.com (Milo A. Chan)
Subject: Ski Sale @ Giants' Stadium?
Organization: J. P. Morgan Securities, Inc.
Distribution: ct
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:18:03 GMT


Does anyone out there know if there will be some kind of big ski sale
happening soon out at Giants' Stadium in November?  I kind-of remember
hearing about it some time ago.  

If anyone has more info about it, please email it to me (I don't read this
newsgroup regularly).

AdvaTHANKSnce,
--
Milo Chan,  Fixed Income Market Strategies,  J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc.
email:   chan_milo@jpmorgan.com    ...or...   chan@fractl.tn.cornell.edu
phone:   212.648.4483              ...or...          212.648.4486 (sec'y)
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Actual Vail Comments, (was Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail))
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:00:19 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:

> Now, where'd The Shark go?

 Be careful what you ask for. He's still lurking, just wearing different
 sunglasses these days.

 ..glen
From: KJRGC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Ken Ramaley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: WANTED: Lodging near Hunter Mt., NY
Date: 2 Nov 92 20:50:07 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I am a ski instructor at Hunter Mountain in Tannersville, NY.  I'm desperately
seeking a place to stay near Hunter (the closer the better).  If anyone has
info on shares or sub-lets or anything like that, please let me know.  I will
primarily be up on weekends, but some mid-week days as well.
      Also, if anyone's interested in sharing the ride up from Westchester
County, NY, please write to me.  The job's fun, but the pay... well, let's just
say I need to save money as much as possible.  Thanks in advance
                                                        -Ken
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From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:14:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Please read this regarding Colorado ski vacations.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


Get a Clue! This is a waste of Bandwidth!

Jon
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: joyner@nrtpa17.bnr.ca (Tony Joyner)
Subject: Question about Vancouver
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:28:10 GMT

I am planning on skiing Whistler/Blackholm in Feb. and we are flying	
into Vancouver, staying one night.  Does anyone know of a decent	
hotel to stay in Vancouver that is within walking distance of 	
some good nightlife? I don't know much about Vancouver and would	
appreciate any info.	

Thanks,	
Tony


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the Alps?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.112250.18298@dxcern.cern.ch>, trones@dxcern.cern.ch (Jostein Lodve Trones) writes:
|> 
|> Anybody out there tried their skies in the Alps lately?
|> 
|> I live in Geneva, and I'm seriously considering skiing the comming
|> weekend, so if any of you out there have some info on conditions, I
|> would really appreciate it. (Places like Chamonix, Verbier, Val Disere...)
|> 
|> Cheers,
|> 	Jostein

The zero degree isotherm has been hovering around the 2000m. mark the last
few days and there is snow above 1500m - quite a bit above 2000m.  Val d'Isere
only had one lift open the week before last due to avalanche danger - but more
should be open this w'end as there has been little snow since then.  Heard
good reports from Val Thorens last w'end - above the cloud line (1200m.) so it
was warm and sunny with good snow.  Les 2 Alpes is open and had good snow down
to the first run off the glacier, but I believe the northern French alpes have
the better snow cover at the moment.   Don't know about Cham. and last time I
heard about Verbier it was the Christalp MTB race.

bon weekend,

David.

The BULL SA ski tipster says:

>> +) what are the projected Saturday snow and weather
>>    condiditions ?

> Wind low - anticyclone - Good

> The word is that "Val Thorens" "est vow le pain"
From: cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Price Check: K9 Extreeme
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:46:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.1992Nov12.104624.165839
Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business.

K2 Extreme, list price is $499.00, I've been quotes $419 by my local
ski shop. Anyone have an opinion on the price?

Also, Salomon 957 bindings at $169.

Just tapping the expertice on the net to make sure I'm not being
ripped :-) Thanks in advance!

-- 
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