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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Stephen King on "Whoopi"
Summary: worth it only for Whoopi
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:02:56 GMT

If you wanted to see it, and missed it, don't feel bad.  Nothing
exciting to report.  Whoopi herself was really more interesting
than King--apparently she's a horror fan from way back, a devoted
reader (unusual in itself), and she grew up with Zacherley and
Creature Features.  Her description of "Blacula" was hilarious.
She said, "I'm a vampire person, but I like my vampires to be
*scary*, you know--not these new ones they're writing about,
who you could sit down and have dinner with."  She went on to
gush about the original "Nosferatu," and she and King exchanged
a couple of Max Schreck lines ("Count Orlock...").  She also gave
a funny description of what it's like to live alone, out in the 
country, in a house in Connecticut--with two cats.  She did an
imitation of how when she's reading in the quiet house late at
night, the cats will act like they hear something, and get her
all spooked, so she goes runnin' through the house naked lookin'
in closets and stuff ("I figure if I'm naked, when the guy sees
me, he'll fall down from shock at what I look like, and that'll
give me more time to run").

As for the King-man, well...he talked about his gig playin' guitar
and singin' at the American Booksellers Convention <yawn>, about
how he got the ideas for _The_Shining_ and for _Gerald's_Game_
<yawn>, and did an almost condescendingly brief plug for _Dolores_
_Claiborne_.  (If SK himself can't feel any enthusiasm for his new
book, how in the hell are *we* supposed to?)  It was painful to
watch.  I found I had to force myself not to turn the tube off,
each time a commercial break came up.  

There are enough King-bashers on the Net, it won't be any news to
them, but I gotta say, this man is played out.  I was disappointed
by how summarily he dismissed Castle Rock, and thought _Gerald's_Game_
was his first full-length work that lacked any hint that the author
took personal risks in order to write it.  A recent tale of his in
the mostly excellent _Midnight_Graffiti_ anthology was also an exercise
in write-by-the-numbers.

King had a lot to give--once.  He doesn't seem to have it anymore.

Sad, for a guy only in his 40's.

							--Fiona
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine)
Subject: Books of Blood
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:56:44 GMT

What do you people think of Clive Barker's Books of Blood?
I have read one of them - In the Flesh, I think it was called,
and I was disappointed.  I didn't really think any of the stories
were anywhere as good as his longer novels.  What of the other five?

Thanks for any input,

			Steffan Levine


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: cvanous@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Vanous)
Subject: Re: A question regarding Dracula, and vampires
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:01:30 GMT

In article <By2Cvr.9n6@access.digex.com> tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man) writes:
>> [quote about vampires going abroad in daylight deleted]
>>What gives?  Did I miss something, or am I just totally clueless?
>
>The latter.  How did you arrive at this moment in life?  Never having read
>DRACULA...
>
>You have also not read any of Fred Saberhagen's Dracula novels (some are
>admittedly better than others);  Saberhagen remained relatively true to
>Stoker's statements about the *powers* of vampires, while playing fast and
>loose with the view of the central character, as well as the basic definition
>of vampirism.

Saberhagen vampires!  Love `em!
And in a truly, cosmically, incredibly cool (O.K. ... cool to me) twist:
Guess who did the novelization of FFC's Drac?

YEP!  Fred hisself.  And I must say that he does put his own slant on
things (plus a few little in-jokes for those of us who've read his
Dracula series ... :^).

But JEEZ, pal ... if you've managed to go this far through life
without reading the original Stoker book, you need to take a few hours
out and remedy the situation.  Trust me, they'll be hours well spent.

- The Cypherkat
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Dracula
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.174058.10676@nmsu.edu> tnielson@spock.NMSU.Edu (THORIN NIELSON) writes:
>
>
>Just saw Dracula..............ohmygodohmygodohmygod. Was it good!
>
>I can't see anything wrong with it except Keanu Reeves has the cheeseiest  
>English accent...well I can overlook that.  Oh, and I don't remember a Texan  
>being involved in the Dracula Mythos.

The Texan is from Stoker's novel.  I don't believe he's been in any of
the earlier movie versions.

>
>Oldman----superb

Agreed, Oldman is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors.

>Hopkins---the perfect Van Helsing.

Although I thought he was good, I would have preferred it if he had
done the role straight instead of camping it up.


--
====
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
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From: Andrew S Boggs <aboggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Censorship
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:38:17 GMT

The real reason that they don't go insane is because they are fed a very 
special diet consisting of only the most wholesome american food :roast beef 
and potatoes with gravy, hot dogs, and apple pie. I have gotten this 
information from the most reliable source I know :He Of The Uncarven Block.

*****************************************************************************
"Those who dream by day are aware of of many things which escape those who 
dream only by night." -Edgar Allan Poe
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:18:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.205644.590@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes:
>What do you people think of Clive Barker's Books of Blood?
>I have read one of them - In the Flesh, I think it was called,
>and I was disappointed.  I didn't really think any of the stories
>were anywhere as good as his longer novels.  What of the other five?
>
>Thanks for any input,
>
>			Steffan Levine
>
>

   One must cinsider that the Books of Blood were written near the
beginning of Barker's career.  Yes, his novels are better, and he has
improved a good deal, but the Books of Blood were still quite good, in my
opinion.  The third one was the best, in my opinion.

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From: harsh@flammulated.owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Subject: Re: Movie with the Bone Stripper Machine ?
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:29:32 GMT

I believe the movie you are referring to is _Nothing  But Trouble_, with
Chevy Chase, John Candy, Dan Ackroyd, and Demi Moore.

Very Odd Movie.
--
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: question garding Drac
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:00:47 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-21-92 20:56
S >From: slfrp@cc.usu.edu
S >According to every vampire story I've read, and movie I've seen, 
the sun will
S >do serious harm to a vampire.  Now, I admit I've not had time to read the
S >book "Dracula," but after seeing the movie, I have a question about a quote
S >from the FFC version.
S >
S >At one point, just before we see Dracula chasing after Minna, Van Helsing's
S >voice tells us that, "contrary to popular belief, vampires CAN move about
S >in the daytime, though it is not their natural time, and their powers
S >are weak."
S >
S >What gives?  Did I miss something, or am I just totally clueless?
S >
S >Many thanks,
S >
S >Eric Michaelis
S >slfrp@mua.usu.edu
S >

Coppola got it right.  In most vampire stories prior to this century, 
the vampires could go abroad in daylight, and not burn, age, or 
otherwise suffer.  They were, however, unable to shapeshift, fly, etc. 
in daylight.  This is true in Stoker's Dracula, and Le Fanu's Carmilla 
(my personal favourite), and, I think, in Polidori's short story "The 
Vampyre".  One article I read during the lead-up to FFC's Dracula 
suggested that the original Nosferatu (1922, silent by F.W. Murnau) 
may have been the first to show a vampire being killed by sunlight, 
instead of merely weakened.  The idea became fixed in popular culture 
by the Hammer Dracula series and Rice's novels.  Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, 
in her Saint-Germain series, suggests that vampires are able to 
venture abroad in daylight by lining their shoes with their native 
earth.  Of course, her vampires are heavily humanized, and are barely 
recognizable as such at times.  Other contemporary writers have 
suggested that sunlight is a kind of allergy, or that vampires, like 
other night-dwellers, are merely hypersensitive to light (I think that 
Lumley used this approach in the Necroscope series).  Thus, the death 
by sunlight is hardly canonical to the vampire genre, and may, indeed, 
be a relatively new addition.

Incidently, while it's been a while since I did any reading on the 
folklore of vampires, I seem to recall that in folklore the vampires 
just naturally had to return to their coffins by day, just as ghosts, 
werewolves, and other evil supernatural beings had to return to their 
places of rest.

Hope this clears things up.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
david.vaughan@rose.com
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   RoseMail 2.00 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Castle Rock story
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:50:33 GMT

In article 12663@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:
> I've been re-reading several of my King books and am reading 'Needful Things'
> right now.  Since it is a Castle Rock story, the name Frank Dodd keeps
> coming up and how he went crazy and killed some people.  I can't for the life
> of me remember what book this guy is from.  Can someone fill me in (I'm too
> lazy to look through my collection :*)  
> 
> Also what books/short stories take place in Castle Rock?  There's: Cujo, The
> Dark Half, The Dead Zone, The Tommyknockers, The Body and The Sun Dog.  Did
> I miss any or get any of the above wrong?
> 
> Thanks for the time,
> -- 
>        --    O          The thrill is                   Eric J. Lorenzo
>      ---   </\_      not just in winning,       lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
>    ----  -\/\         but in the courage                  also @UCSU
>       ---   /_         to join the race    -?               & @Spot


i think u mentioned the book. The Dead zone. wasnt frank dodd the deputy who killed all the girls?

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Frankenstein (Re: Dracula for free)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.121853.60892@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.172008.1@woods.ulowell.edu>,
>mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>> Coppola's going to do a remake
>> of Frankenstein, too.
>
>     Actually, no.  According to Chris Hicks (local movie critic/
>reporter) in the 15 Nov _Deseret_News_ Arts section, Kenneth Branagh
>of (I don't remember or know) fame will be doing Frankenstein. 
>Apparently Coppola turned it down. 

Coppola will be producing it though.


--
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Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: HPL
Reply-To: s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:50:57 GMT

 The reason(I believe) that Lovecraft had the writing style that he did was that it fit his type of story. Most of the main characters were scientists or     highly educated men, and the stories were written as documentation of the events that happened to these men. Therefore, they wrote in a convoluted style that    befitted their place on the social and educational scale of the time. Remember, a scholar would want to make his works look excellent. Also the gothic touches  of color in HPL's works wouldn't



 
work if it were written any other way. He might mot have been the best, but he towers above the majority (my opinion)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco)
Subject: Sweet Blood - Vampire Novel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:04:42 GMT

I just read "Sweet Blood" by Pat Graversen (paperback -
Zebra).  It is a vampire novel.  It was very well-written and
I couldn't put it down.  As a matter of fact, everyone I know
that read it, did so in one sitting as they couldn't put it
down either.

Adelle
adelle@cbnewsh.att.com
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: HPL
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:51:50 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <wZu6TB4w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool) writes:
>
>> philip marlowe (pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>> :  
>> :  Let's face reality here -- HPL was a LOUSY writer. His prose was so 
>> : thick and convoluted that it's almost impossible to read -- almost 
>> : Milton-esque, in a strange kind of way.
>> :  
>> :  That said, I do read his stuff every now and again because his 
>> : imagination ALMOST overcomes the turgid prose...not an easy thing to do.
>> :  
>> 
>> Expect a LOT of e-mail.
>> 	--MLM
>
> 
> Let 'em come...I'll take 'em on one at a time, or all at once.
> HPL WAS a lousy writer.
> 
> And so is Dean R. Koontz.
> 
>marlowe
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------darkpark BBS
>pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

	Let's REALLY face reality here.  H.P. Lovecraft revitalized horror
literature.  In the roaring 20's, when it seemed nothing could go wrong and
everyone was happy-go-lucky, HP dared to think of a bleak and uncaring 
universe.  He was regarded as sick and twisted by the majority of his critics.
	As for his prose, HP's main influences came from the Gothic horror
genre, which is filled with atmosphere and lengthy description and very little
gore.  I'd agree that HP can be overly wordy at times, but you have to allow
for the time period in which he was writing.  It's just as ignorant to say
that Shakespeare sucks because his works are filled with "thou" this and
"wherefor art" that.  He sucks for other reasons.
	Face facts, HPL directly influenced a great many current horror, sci-
fi and fantasy writers.

	BTW, I enjoyed Watchers and Twilight Eyes (w/ Dark Lightning) by
Koontz a great deal, but have heard from many people that he doth verily
suck when his work is taken as a whole.

						Raymond H. Rich
						Arkham University
						Board of Admissions
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine)
Subject: More author poll results
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:32:38 GMT

More poll results...after 50 lists.  For simplicity sake and
my limited free time, only authors appearing on more than one
list will be shown.

Stephen King			On 46% of lists
Dean Koontz			28%
Clive Barker			26%
H.P. Lovecraft			26%
Anne Rice			18%
Robert McCammon			16%
Robert Heinlein			14%
J.R.R. Tolkien			12%
Douglas Adams			12%
Orson Scott Card		 8%
William Gibson			 8%
Frank Herbert			 8%
Robert Bloch			 8%
Isaac Asimov			 8%
Peter Straub			 6%
Tom Clancy  			 6%
Terry Pratchett			 6%
John Saul			 6%
Ray Bradbury			 6%
Harlan Ellison			 6%
Ramsey Campbell			 6%
Piers Anthony			 6%
Fritz Leiber			 4%
Neil Gaiman			 4%
Tanya Huff			 4%
Nancy Collins			 4%
Ursula K. LeGuin		 4%
Gus Gavriel Kay			 4%
Dan Simmons			 4%
Harry Harrison			 4%
Shari S. Tepper			 4%
Kurt Vonnegut			 4%
James Herbert			 4%
About 1,000,000 others		 2%

There they are.  For those who missed the original post and
are interested in participating, please e-mail me a list of
your five favorite authors (horror, or otherwise).
From: tonlun@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Tony Lundstedt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Q:House by the Cemetry
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:07:49 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: moskva.docs.uu.se

In the nice mag from Uk VideoWorld, November issue, I saw that the much
intelligent and beautifully filmed horrorflick:House by the Cemetry
is going through the BBCF (the censorship in UK). The movie is to be
released by Medusa. If someone knows when/ if it has come through 
unhurt by the nasty people with the large scissors, please let me
know!
If someone knows a good and reliable firm in Europe that sells horrorvideos
and has some experience with foreign costumers, please send me their
adressess and contac persons, if any.

I hope you can help me, you out there is outer (electric) space.

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: A question regarding Dracula, and vampires
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:42:02 GMT

well according to ann rice the older ones can.
the sun affects there skin. now if they can prevent the rays from making contact to there skin then they can run around during the day. like say a nice stormy day no sun. vamps can run around.
thats my 2 cents
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:27:23 EST
From: Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: REANIMATOR!!!!
 <1992Nov18.162912.20222@shearson.com>

Interesting thing I saw yesterday...I rented a copy of a sci fi called
"The Guyver" and it had David Gale(Dr. Hill) and Jeffrey Combs(Dr. West)
but amusingly, Combs in this movie played a character called Dr. East.
I almost FOTFL. But in this one, he and Gale are on the same side. Oh
well, can't have everything.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Castle Rock story
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:30:23 GMT

I've been re-reading several of my King books and am reading 'Needful Things'
right now.  Since it is a Castle Rock story, the name Frank Dodd keeps
coming up and how he went crazy and killed some people.  I can't for the life
of me remember what book this guy is from.  Can someone fill me in (I'm too
lazy to look through my collection :*)  

Also what books/short stories take place in Castle Rock?  There's: Cujo, The
Dark Half, The Dead Zone, The Tommyknockers, The Body and The Sun Dog.  Did
I miss any or get any of the above wrong?

Thanks for the time,
-- 
       --    O          The thrill is                   Eric J. Lorenzo
     ---   </\_      not just in winning,       lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
   ----  -\/\         but in the courage                  also @UCSU
      ---   /_         to join the race    -?               & @Spot
From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: The Muto-bear in "Prophecy"
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:02:46 GMT



On cable this past Saturday I watched for the second time the movie "Prophecy"
I hadn't seen it in over 10 years. I believe I saw it in the theatres when it
opened up back in the late 70's.

Anyway that huge mutated bear still gave me a good fright. The horror EFX still
look pretty good after all these years.  I still think of that muto-bear
when I walk alone in the woods. Anybody else remember this movie ?

Guy
Urbina@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tillis@icpsr.umich.edu (Eddie Tillis)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive Barker makes music?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 05:46:07 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov21.003204.9027@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> astoker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew Stoker) writes:
>A quick question that someone asked me after I mentioned Clive and his latest
>book to them:
>
>Is this the same Clive Barker who is in Underground Resistance Boys (aka X102)
>apparently, they are a techno group, which suggests to me that he isn't, but,
>who knows?
UR is a Detroit, Michigan based techno group. No, Clive Barker, author, is not
a member of the group.

>
>	Andy
>--
>Andrew J. Stoker | "My lord, I cannot ride!"
>Leicester Uni.   | "Capital, we shall give you a horse that can't be ridden."
>ajs6@leicester.ac.uk   |		      ``Wyrd Sisters'', Terry Pratchett

ET
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From: kjetilgr@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Granlien)
Subject: Dolores Claiborne & Gerald's Game
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:47:31 GMT
Originator: kjetilgr@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


  I don't know if any of the above mentioned books can be said to be horror,
but since I have noticed that a lot of SK fans are reading this group... . 

I haven't seen anything about 'Dolores Claiborne' here... 
I bought the book(hardcover--my wallet is now empty!) beofre the weekend and I
am now getting to the end of it.. It is quite good, but not like anything SK
has written before. (Except maybe for a short story called 'the Reach' or
something..).
'Dolores' is the story of a woman with that name who lives all her life in a
small Island comunity.. It is told by the woman to the locasl sheriff.. 
It is written in an accent.. 

I found this a very good book.. but the horror for which I love Stephen King
is missing.. . . 

So much about that.. 
As I have bought Gerald's game as well in hardcover I noticed the similarity
of the cover...My question is: What is this about the 'total eclipse'? It
seems as if SK is obssesed by the thing.. . It is as he thinks of it as a
'perfect' occasion for something to go wrong. Is this maybe to add some
mysticism to 'ordinary' happenings which don't have any supernatural 'bout
them in the first place?

Another question: Is this something like 'the Total ecplise' books from
Stephen King.. Are there any other books soon to be out?

Anyways.. It sure looks nice in my bookshelf..  

Thanks for listening to this random rambling from just another human on a
rotten planet soon to be destroyed.. . 

Kjetil Granlien
---
 "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air
  And deep beneath the rolling waves
  In labyrinth of coral caves
  The echoes of a distant time comes willowing across the sand.."
						PinkFloyd, Echoes
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