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From: paulwo@informix.com (Paul Wolmering)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Full/Half Share Needed in VT
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:13:55 GMT
Distribution: ma vt nh me ct ri ny
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: paulwo@cheetah

hi,
 
  does anyone have a full/half share available in VT?

  sugerbush or north is what i'm looking for but killington will be ok.

thanks,
paul

p.s. i'm located in boston not california
From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Voile release kit for 3-pins
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:00:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: dosXX.JEFFK.92Oct15110047
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah

Kauppi Matti writes:

   I need a release kit and brake kit for my telemark 3-pins...

   I know that at least Voile makes them. Voile brake kit plus 
   release kit cost $77 (Canadian Dollar) at Mountain Equipment 
   Co-op in Canada. Does any of you know other places where I 
   can buy equipment via post? ...
=========================================

Is there some reason you don't like doing business
with Mountain Equipment Co-op?  Or are you just trying
to save some money?

There is no place I know of that sells the Voile
release kit w/brake for less than $64 US (that is
the Voile mailorder price), which at current exchange
rates is barely lower than $77 Canadian.  Add shipping 
to Canada, and you will probably be paying more.

Support your local dealers.  If they go out of
business you will have to order everything by mail
(or while traveling), and you wouldn't get to look
at or tryout equipment you are interested in.

Call Voile if you what a list of dealers in your 
area, or if you decide to go mailorder.


BTW, Voile is coming out with an integrated release 
system in which the release plate 'is' the binding 
toe (in both cabel and 3-pin, I believe).  They have 
not given an exact date when these will be available. 


Voile  (801) 973-8622


jeff

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:50:14 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1b1lc6INN455@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) writes:
>I couldn't agree with Brigitte more. One of the best things of the sport
>is the feeling of accomplishment you get from learning and doing something
>for the first time. I've had as much fun as a beginner as I do now after
>24 years of skiing.

I suppose this is the point at which I should urge all experienced skiers
who haven't yet done so to try snowboarding (or telemarking - take your pick).
Doing the same old things day after day, year after year, tires quickly,
and a change refreshes.  Falling is half the fun (of course, _not_ falling
is the other half).

>Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
>LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\

Always thought "SKI2DIE" would make a good licence plate.

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
    Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
     of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]
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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:06:55 GMT

|> If the snow is only marginal, Tignes/Val for sure.  The Trois Vallees
|> are pretty limiting if the links aren't working.  If you go there, you
|> want to stay in Tignes, preferably either Tignes Lac or Val Claret.
|> You can ski the whole area from either Val D or Tignes, but the Val D
|> end is heavier on blue runs, and most of the really interesting stuff
|> is at the Tignes end.  
|> 
|> Further, Val D suffers from a bit of bottlenecking, a lift bottleneck
|> in the morning going up, and a piste bottleneck in the evening coming
|> down.  (The only thing to recommend Val D in my opinion is the night
|> life, if that's important to you.  Tignes is definitely the 'skiing'
|> base.)  

That can't be overemphasized. If somebody is looking for a place ,
mind you, not party ,  just have a cup of coffee, Tignes is out.
It is just a huge concrete apartment complex , quite similar in
appearance to low-income housing project in US , although located in
the middle of the breathtaking scenery.

|> arguments about which bit is best to be based in.  My money would be on
|> either Val Thorens or Courcheval, preferably Val Thorens.  

For a US  tourists trying to  get to know French a little : there are
more Brits in Val Thorens then French. I don't mean it in any negative 
sense : just a fact. Just like there are more Swedes in St.Anton then 
Austrians, and more Texans in  Vail then Coloradons :-) .

Sergei
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mhartzel@venice.cba.du.edu (Mark_Hartzell)
Subject: Hints on getting in shape?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:00:31 GMT

I was unable to telemark last season, but I am really looking forward to  
it this season.  I have been riding my mountain bike a lot, but I'm  
curious if anyone has some specific telemark training hints.  I would  
appreciate your help.  If there are any books out that someone could  
recommend about training for telemarking, please send me the title.

My e-mail address is Mark_Hartzell@denver.cba.du.edu
Thanks
Mark


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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:34:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.090655@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com
(Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
Longer more relavant post on France.
>and more Texans in  Vail then Coloradons :-) .				2.5

How do you say Vail in French?						3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: mjensen@BBN.COM (Martin Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:56:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.ldmhgkINNpq5
Reply-To: mjensen@BBN.COM (Martin Jensen)
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: reliant.bbn.com

wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:

>>>  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
>>>  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
>>>  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.
>>
>>Ski Killington!
>>(This is what we eastcoasters are supposed to say right?)

Killington (IMHO) is a terrific mountain(s) IF you're an advanced or expert
skier.  I've found the beginner/intermediate terrain too disjointed to be
really enjoyable.

For the beginner/intermediate skier I would recommend ...

    1. Bretton Woods (NH) ... Very easy mountain to ski, great confidence 
       builder, great views of Mt. Washington and the valley.  Lodging
       is a bit expensive at the mountain (although lift tickets are
       cheaper than other area mountains), so stay in No.Conway (1/2 hr
       south ... much better night life).  Attitash and Wildcat are also
       within 1/2 hour of No.Conway if you find BW too easy :-)

    2. Sunday River (ME) ... Great ski school, great trail system, short
       lift lines ... night life is pretty limited, though (go here to
       ski, not to party).

    3. Loon Mountain (NH) or Okemo (VT) ... both are excellent mountains
       for intermediate skiers, good reputation on their ski schools, 
       good night life in the area.

Good luck.

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From: kim@.cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Crosscountry/Backcountry skiing in New England (INFO WANTED)
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: kim@.cs.umass.edu ()
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Distribution: ne
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I'm considering taking up crosscountry skiing.  I live in Amherst, MA.

Where can I go around here?  
Where will I find tracks?  
Where can I just break my own trail?  
How much snow do we have to have?  
How much snow do you think we'll have this year?
Are backcountry skis much different than regular crosscountry skis?
Can you do telemark turns with any skis?
What kinds of bindings are there?
What difference do bindings make?

Any useful info for a beginner will be appreciated.
Thanks!

                            
   John Kim               School, TV and my mother are entirely
                          responsible for what I wrote above.
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: What N.E. resorts open now?
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:02:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

So what places are now open in the North East?  I know Killington was
a while ago but haven't checked recently.  Are they still?  Any others?

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From: jjansen@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: NE ski house needed
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:03:27 GMT
Distribution: ne


	Well it's that time again..  I`ve been chosen to be the
	House-finding gopher again.

	Were a group of 4-5 couples that are interested in renting
	a house in the Killington area for part of, or the whole
	season (depending on price).

	Best case would be to find a comforable place within 20 min. of
	the moutain for the last half of the season (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr).
	
	Last year we found a place for the above months 10 min. away for
	$1000 a month. ($4000 flat fee..)  This worked great for us. 
	I'd be there again if he didn't sell the place.. :-( 

	If anyone has a place that fits this description (or knows of 
	a place..) please let me know.. 

	
	I can be reached by phone @ wk (617) 275-1800  X4370
                                    hm (617) 641-2528


	thanks in advance
	-Jay Jansen


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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Water really: MAN MADE SNOW
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:14:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.190722.15187@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>There seems to be a war going on that I got myself into, and wish I hadn't
>now.  It is probably the stupidest arguement that I have ever been in.  It
>has a bunch of us arguing about WATER!!!!

Like Mark Twain said:
Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fightin' over.

Water is fascinating stuff.  The universal solvent.  Life would not be
possible without.  We leave incredibly close to its triple point.
When you compress its frozen form, interesting things happen on the
molecular level (I'm talking at the 60Kbar level).
What else would we study if it were not for hydrology?

Ref: Water in Environmental Planning by Leopold and Dunne.

>what people are arguing
>about is how much water is in snow.
>	Man made snow is denser than natural, (NOT EARTHSHATTERING NEWS)
> 	but has anyone stopped and thought about the fact it does not
>	have more or less water in it than any other snow, because.....
>	SNOW IS WATER!

One more time.
If snow is water, then one must account for the differences in density.
If the densities are different, then by mass concervation laws are going
to hold.  As noted, just place snow in a jar and seal it and let it warm.
Snow is mostly air.

>	I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING ABOUT WATER IN SNOW AGAIN!!(I promise)
>	TODD S>

We will keep you to that.
Water is infinitely interesting.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiier!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:33:47 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <2990039@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
  
|I don't know what part of southern Idaho you're from, but if you've ever
|driven near cars with 2C plates, you know that certain license plates
|simply won't allow a car to be driven safely. Maybe Texas has the same
|problem :)

Hey, you guys are lucky.  In California there isn't anything like a "2C"
plate so you never can tell if the care is safe or not.  The only clue
we have is if it's an old person wearing a hat and huge wrap-around dark
glasses, watch out.  Other stereotypes abound.
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Re: Crosscountry/Backcountry skiing [LONG]
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:38:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In article <Bvv66H.JsE@mail.boi.hp.com>, smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
> Question: Is there really a a consensus that climbing is easier on skis that
> have a wax pocket? My experience is just the opposite. It seems to me that
> the wax pocket is only there to make the kick wax last longer. It actually
> hinders (very slightly) climbing by reducing the normal force on the snow
> at the wax pocket location.

When I apply logic to this, I agree with you Scott.  But my experience tells
me that a good, stiff wax pocket improves the ski's climbing ability.

I have two pairs of Fischer E99s.  One is a pair of 210cm and is about 10 
years old and is extremely soft (broken-down), even through the "kicker" 
section.  The other is only 3 years old, 215cm and is still nice and stiff.
The new skis climb *much* better than the old ones!

Also, when I've tried single cambered skis, they never climb as well as a 
double-cambered ski.

Seems wrong when you think about it, but somehow it works. :-/

John

P.S to Ilana: The main reason that track, skating and light-touring skis
don't turn (telemark) well is that they don't have any sidecut.  In fact,
many have inverse side-cut, which keeps them going straight!
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Where to go in France...
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

Trying to decide where to go skiing this year.  We sort of want to go
somewhere new, that we haven't been to before.  (We've done Flaine, Les
Arcs, La Plagne, Tignes/Val D'Isere, and the Trois Vallees -- Meribel,
Courcheval, Val Thorens, Les Menuires -- and are looking for somewhere
different, but that sort of size.)  Switzerland is out, too expensive.
French Alps preferred, but not absolutely essential.

Places that have come to mind so far are the Porte Du Soliel (Avoriaz,
Morzine, Les Gets), and Chamonix.  Anyone have any nice/nasty useful
comments about either of those?  Or any other suggestions/comments?
We're reasonably good skiiers (except on moguls), like black runs (by
French rating) for challenge and red for cruising and unwinding.  
Recognised (i.e. findable and mapped, but not pisted) 'itineraire'
routes a plus.

-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Peopl who looklike skiers but aren't was My first experience with a Texas Skiier
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:22:23 GMT

In article <wilde-141092150400@csgator11.cs.colorado.edu>
wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:
>Now, how do you know she didn't sneak a run in or two, Eugene, unless you
>stood there next to her all day ?

Very observant!  The man should win a prize.  In fact you hit the nail
on the head.  That was the very last day of that very first trip,
all the rental gear had been turned, and we were waiting to rendevzous
with a non-skiing friend (all day).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Texans vs Generalizations !!
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:40:55 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Oct5.160901.25226@news.eng.convex.com> pschmidt@convex.com (Perry Schmidt) writes:
>Well, after living in Texas now for a few years, I have to admit there
>definitely are a few people (i.e. Texans) who fit that generalization.
>That's not to say there are a lot of nice people in Texas too.
>

Listen guys and gals...

I grew up in Port Neches, TX, population 15,000. The biggest
employers in town were Goodyear and Texaco. Beaumont was
the big city; it had a mall and that was where the "rich people"
lived. Every Friday night, rain or shine you went to the High
School football game. One year Port Neches Groves made it
to the state finals and the game was played in the Astrodome.
Less than 1,000 people stayed in town, everyone else drove to Houston.

That's the Texas I remember. Real Texas.

When you're cut-off by some damn obnoxious butthead with Texas
plates, please remember, there is a 99% probability he is
an embittered transplanted Yankee who came to Texas in the 70's
for a job and never left. He's no more a Texan than Rush
Limbaugh is a Libertarian.


-- 
David Neal -- hdnea@hou281.chevron.com 
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From: danube@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Dan Koller*)
Subject: Sugarloaf, Maine
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:08:36 GMT

     I've been thinking about skiing at Sugarloaf, Maine this year but
I don't know much about it.  Can someone fill me in on details?  Is it
really possible to see the Atlantic Ocean from the top?  Is it really
as cold as someone else told me?
    I'm especially interested in cheap lodging, preferably a private
house on the slopes, or a Condo that can hold up to 10 people.  Private
(i.e. non ski area associated) realtors are prefered since we'd like 
to keep the cost down.  This would be a weekend or extended weekend
trip.  Any and all such information would be appreciated.
    Thanks.
						Danube
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Eugene Makes a Technical Mistake! (Re: MAN MADE SNOW)
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:19:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Rolland Waters (rwaters@spdg.com) wrote:
: ...Film at 11   :-)
: 
: In article <> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
: > Snow condenses (technically subliminates) onto nuclei which are 1/10 the
:                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: > size of nuclei rain condenses upon.  You can't just throw water into the air
: > and expect it to freeze into snow...
: 
: No, Eugene!  Sublimation is going from a solid to a vapor without
: passing through the liquid state.  Can gases even be made to go
: directly to a solid from a vapor?  Besides, snow has a crystalline
: form anyway, which is why it needs a condensation nucleus, right?
: Isn't this more fun than posting answers to queries about whether
: Vail will have snow over Thanksgiving?
: 
: 
: Rolland
:
Webster's II:

sublimate: 1. to pass or cause to pass from a solid to a gas OR FROM A GAS
TO A SOLID without becoming a liquid.

So the mistake is spelling, not technical (unless he means that it
changes state without conscious awareness. Actually, he's probably right
about that, too). 

scott
: (Actually, there is a definition of sublimation: "to convert
: (something inferior) to something of higher worth", which technically
: you could say snow making was.)
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 06/13
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:00:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA


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 ---------------------- Section 06: Lodging ----------------------

 6.01) "Where's the best place to stay in <insert favorite state 
       here>?"
    
     Well that's a pretty big question. The only answer as of this printing
     of the faq is that if you're talking about Utah you should ftp Walt
     Haas' information from ski.utah.edu. Anybody else wanna start a 
     similar service?

     It's also a good bet to contact the local chamber of commerce. They
     can provide you with a list of hotels/motels in the area.
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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Nordica Boots (F8)
Keywords: recommendations
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:06:04 GMT


Nordica Syntech series (which F8, F9, F9 Air I believe are members of)
received a poor write-up in the official ski press : event usually
unheard of.  Take it for what its worth.

Sergei