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From: Marc.A.Echeveste.1@nd.edu (Marc Echeveste)
Subject: Re: Arizona State 7, Arizona 6 in Tucson
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of Notre Dame - OUC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.055822.19753@newsgate.sps.mot.com>,
willers@trombone.sps.mot.com (Robert Willers) wrote:
> 
> Arizona State beat Arizona by a score of 7-6 in Tucson tonight.  Both
> defenses were dominant.  Arizona made two of three early field goal
> attempts, but turned the ball over twice inside the ASU 5 yard
> line (an interception by Lenny McGill and a fumble by Chuck Levy
> on an attempted halfback pass -- Arizona had its biggest problems
> offensively when they tried to get fancy).  ASU, for the most part,	
> couldn't move the ball, but senior Kevin Galbreath broke a 51-yard
> TD run, breaking four UofA tackles.  After that run, the ASU defense 
> woke up and shut down Arizona.  A 57-yard field goal attempt with
> the wind with five minutes remaining in the fourth quarter fell
> maybe a yard short.
> 
> Obviously, ASU is the number one team in the nation due to the
> famous r.s.f.c transitivity theory, since they beat Arizona by one
> point in Tucson, while the "ranked" number one team, Miami, beat
> them by one at home.  :) :) :) :)
> 
> Seriously, Washington State (as numerous others have mentioned)
> definitely deserves a bowl bid.  I'll also take a 6-5 ASU team
> over any 6-5 Big Eleven team.  (I'm SO glad Iowa lost tonight.)
> -- 
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Boring Disclaimer: The opinion(s) expressed herein are mine alone. |
> | Bob Willers                           willers@trombone.sps.mot.com |
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------+

fred dini

Well, it looks as if The Streak (TM) has reversed itself... (finally!)  I
think that U of A will have to wait for another 8 years before they beat
ASU again...

I woofed before, and I'll woof again!!! (It didn't seem to hurt ASU last
time...)


-------------------------
Marc Echeveste
Marc.A.Echeveste.1@nd.edu
University of Notre Dame
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper)
Subject: Head Coaching Vacancies
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:23:32 GMT

We've finally arrived at the time of year when coach's heads roll.  Where 
will all the coaching vacancies be this year and who will be the 
replacements?  Anybody care to speculate????

Arkansas       - Danny Ford, Barry Switzer, ... ???
Colorado St.   - ????
South Carolina - ????
Pittsburgh     - ????
Tennessee      - ????

I am sure there are plenty of others.  Those are just a few that come to 
mind right away.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Rutgers/Independence Bowl/UVa question
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:38:30 GMT

In article <1eap9rINN711@rave.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:

>>Still, I have a slight hunch that the Independence Bowl people might be 
>>looking at UVa as well as Rutgers to fill a slot, although I'm not 
>>altogether sure.

>Kevin, the only bowl that I have heard mentioned as a possibility for
>UVa is the Independence. In fact, last week I heard speculation of
>a UVa Vs. Southern Mississippi matchup if both teams could beat
>Virginia Tech. I do not know what bowl scouts will be in Blacksburg
>on Saturday - Independence scouts were not at the UVa-NC State game
>two weeks ago. 


GOOD! Cause if those scouts HAD been at that game, then UVA wouldnt be
going NOWHERE this Xmas season.

Ob Anti-Woof: At the beginning of the season, I thought that Tech would
win this, because for Tech this game is more important than it is for
UVa. this was, of course, before Uva started choking like the dogs----
o never mind. Anyway, now I think there is a much better chance for UVA,
as this game has been given more meaning by Uvas recent pathetic performances.

However, with 1000s of rabid tech fans looking on, praying for that
(tee hee) THIRD victory this year, Id still have to give tech the
edge. But who knows? Both these teams have been stinkin up the place
lately.

r
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rice 34 Baylor 31
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:06:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bxx63J.609
Organization: Indiana University

I wonder if the Owls can keep Goldsmith, who in my opinion is a damn
good coach.  If the Hogs dump Kine (I make no comments as to whether
they should or not), they'll probably consider him along with Cooper,
Dickerson  (asst. at Clemson), Ford, Sherrill (please lord no), and
Perkins.
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Bowls
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:20:38 GMT

In article <By4zzo.H60@cs.uiuc.edu> dames@cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames) writes:
>	Now, there may be some complaints about Illinois' bowl-boundedness,
>especially from Big10 bashers, but, as an Illini fan, I will defend them
>here:  of their 4 losses, one was by 1 pt. to Minnesota in the dome, where
>Colorado nipped the Wolves 21-20 early in the season.  Another was by an
>amazing 3TD 4th quarter comeback to the surprising NU Wildcats, 27-26.
>A third was at the Astrodome to the Houston Cougars early in the season; the
>same team and place at which the #3 Aggies were challenged (38-30 win) two
>weeks back.  The 4th was a pitiful 24-14 loss to Iowa at home, for which I
>am somewhat embarrassed.  However, Illinois defeated OSU in Columbus 18-16,
>and tied Michigan in Ann Arbor 22-22.  Illinois was not blown out by any team
>this year...
>The point that I am asserting is that Illinois plays to the level of its
>competition; consequently, the Illini often upset teams and are also often
>upset themselves.

	I nearly choked this morning when I heard Tepper say "We're only
	5 points away from the Rose Bowl, but we'll take the Holiday Bowl".
	So much for humility.  As "strong" a case as you make above, I
	can make an equally strong one for Illinois doing much worse than
	6-4-1.  I'll give you the Minnesota and Northwestern games back.
	That's 8-2-1.  Then, I'll take away the Michigan tie and the OSU
	win (2 pts, loads of OSU choking), the Wisconsin win (1 pt, Bucky
	blew it in the fourth), the Purdue win (3 pts, the Boilers had
	this one), and the MSU win (MSU shot itself in the foot early and
	late).  By that tally I come up with 4-7.  The only differences, in
	my opinion, between 6-4-1 Illinois and everyone from Michigan State
	to Purdue are some late Jason Verduzco heroics and some sloppy
	ballhandling by the opposition...  Was there a more fortunate team
	in the Big Ten this year than Illinois?

	Concerning Houston, 31-13 may not have truly represented the game,
	but 24-13, without the last-play TD, did.  Verduzco had a terrible
	day...  Consider also that the only winning team Illinois won
	against was Ohio State.  The other 5 wins were over Northern Illinois,
	Missouri (tied for last in Big 8, by 7), and the Big Ten ones I
	gave above.  Illinois' largest margin of victory in the conference
	was 4!  The Iowa loss was a blowout...
-- 
-------------------------------
| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Illinois or MSU)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:56:29 GMT

peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:

>In article <1ejisgINN61f@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               ) writes:
>>What IF, there is a tie game in Champaign and Iowa loses to Minnesota???

>	Then, Wisconsin and Indiana undoubtedly come back into the picture
>	if either wins and finishes 6-5.  I think the Holiday Bowl should
>	chuck the whole lot and find somebody good, but that's just me...

Just you ?!?!?!?  Haven't you been keeping up in the group.  If Illinois
goes to a bowl it's just plain wrong (didn't Illinois go a couple years
ago as a 6-5 team to some bowl).  The Big10? gets bowl bids because 
they have huge followings of people spending the winter in the Great
Lakes area.  I miss it back home, but a vacation in December would
be nice.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:43:35 GMT

dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:


>[stuff deleted]

>>Why in the world would Miami play FSU again?  They already beat them.
>>Now I know this will bring out cries of "chicken" from the FSU crowd,
>>but really, what does Miami have to gain from a rematch?  How could
>>they be accused of ducking FSU?  They already played them, AND WON...

>If Miami ends up #1 and FSU ends up #2, they are mandated to play for the
>national title by the Bowl Coalition as I understand it.  The only way Miami

I thought there was a rematch clause in the Coalition that allowed teams not
to play rematches.  At least it was in one of the versions before it was
finalized.

Todd

>could duck FSU is to decline to go to a bowl at all, which would be ludicrous.
>So a Miami/FSU rematch is a possibility.  Of course FSU has to get by the
>Gators in Tallahassee, who have far less to lose in the game than FSU since
>Florida would be able to get into the Sugar Bowl whether they beat FSU or
>not.  FSU has 2 weeks to prepare for Florida while Florida must think 
>about Vanderbilt this week (they dare not lose to Vandy to keep SEC hopes
>alive).  It will be interesting to see if my beloved Noles' revived offense
>can score on a better defense than Maryland or Tulane.  FSU may win close
>or they may win big, but either way, I think they will win over the Gators.
>GO NOLES!!  GO NOLES!!  GO NOLES!!  GO NOLES!!  GO NOLES!!  GO NOLES!! 

>D. Head
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:00:31 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.035732.580@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>up any chance to win the MNC.
>
>ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...
>
>		- rob

Though you have a good point, you have to remember 1 thing...

Stanford...
-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Bobby Bowden won't give me a job!
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.193555.20210@mlb.semi.harris.com> jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>In article 6694@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>Well, I just got back from the autograph signing that the FSU bookstore was
>>sponsoring on campus today. When I got up to the...ahem...Saint, I told him
>>to sign my copy of the book, _Saint Bobby and the Barbarian_, in the following
>>manner:
>>   
>>   To Kevin,
>>       When you graduate from college, come see me and I'll give you a job.
>>       Bobby Bowden.
>>
>>Unfortunately, this did not seem to be acceptable to him. So, instead, he 
>>signed my book (20 bucks down the drain...I mean, like I was really gonna read
>>it anyways) like so:
>>
>>   To Kevin,
>>      Scalp 'em!
>>        Bobby Bowden
>>
>>*yawn* Oh well, guess now I'll _have_ to read the stinking book...gotta get my
>>money's worth out of the deal. The bum wouldn't even sign the free baseball
>>cap I got while in line...now I will have to give out and spend money on a
>>real Christmas present.
>
>Kevin,
>	Tell him you know how coach kickers to kick consistant field goals
>and you will get the job for sure.

Hmmmm, maybe I will go lobby the NCAA to let teams have one extra coach on the
team...yeah, that's it...I'll be a kicking coach! (Now, I really wish I had
not played line in HS...besides that fact that I sucked...shoulda been a 
kicker *sigh*. :)

Oh, by the way, Dan "wide right" Mowrey in the last two games is 19 of 20 in
extra point kicks...the one miss coming on a block (which really isn't his
fault totally). He has only had one chance at a field goal in those two games
(hell, our offense has had no reason to kick field goals...20 TD's in two
games...sheesh) and of course he missed it...wide right. His problems at the
extra points seems to be fixed...now he needs to work on FG's.

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. winning teams?
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:51:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.164318.11849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>     Is it true that Michigan hasn't beat a team with a final record over .500 
>this year? Could someone post their schedule and let us know?
>> >Yes this is true. Here is their schedule with their opponents current
>>>records.
		Notre Dame (8-1-1) 17-17
		Okla. St. (4-6-1)  35-3
		Houston    (3-7)   61-7
		Iowa       (5-7)   52-28
		Michigan St.(5-6)  35-10
		Indiana    (5-6)   31-3
 		Minnesota  (2-9)   63-13
		Purdue     (4-7)   24-17
		N'western  (3-8)   40-7
    		Illinois   (6-4-1) 22-22
		Ohio St.   (8-2-1) 13-13

		Opponent's record 58-63-1. Taking out the 3 teams that they tied
it is 36-56-1.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the facts, m'am.

>                                        Steve
>-- 
>    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
>    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
>    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
>    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...


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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU's uniforms
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:26:04 GMT

In article <92322.092557JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>ESPN mentioned that Burt Reynolds gave the new uniforms to
>the team.  And yes, the gold pants look MUCH better.
>
>Jim Thomas

I was at the game and I thought the new uni's were pretty slick. After I went
home and watched ESPN, I saw that they didn't look too impressive on tv. I
still kinda liked them in person...and I hope they use 'em for the Florida 
game.

Kevin
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami's NYD Opponent
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:05:47 GMT
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.


Since it's obvious to me that there is currently no worthy
opponent for the Canes to play on NYD I propose that they
play the NFL teams with the best record at the time on NYD.

This scenario is the only one that will afford the Canes
any respect from the MENSA crowd here in r.s.f.c. If the
Canes play merely a College team on NYD they'll be 
accused of; chickening out to someone else, beating up on
a patsie, spousal abuse, increasing the national debt,
or performing cervical cancer research without a permit.

Therefore I submit that the Canes must play the Dallas
Cowboys, San Fransisco 49ers and the Buffalo Bills all
on NYD. Finally they'll play teams that no one here in
r.s.f.c can say is inappropriate as an opponent.

Any objections?

John T.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:29:35 GMT

Chung Hsiung Yang (chyang@minorca.engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: 	I don't know how many times I have to repeat this.  The 

Oh, let's SEE, how about 23, THAT sounds like A good number.

: 	AUBURN was one of the premier football programs in the country
: did you think that NCAA had a double standard toward them.  I think not! 

Since the NCAA hasn't done ANYTHING to AUBURN yet, I GUESS we don't KNOW,
do we.

: 	I hope this rumor and stupid shit like this would stop! 

Don't get YOUR hopes up.
 
: - Chung "I AM REALLY PISSED!"  Yang 

Did I GET your algorithm CORRECT? Every third WORD and school NAMES should be 
WRITTEN in all CAPITAL letters?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lowery@bnr.ca (Gary Lowery)
Subject: Re: OSU beats Michigan: 13-13
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:44:07 GMT

In article <DOEL.92Nov23112225@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>Gary Lowery writes:
>
>> Hey OSU fans,  hype it up all you want, you still haven't beaten Michigan
>> in 5 tries.  That's right 0-4-1.  When was your last Rose bowl appearance?
>
>fair enough.  But we're getting better & the tone of your post indicates you
>know it and are scared.
Come again?  Scared? Not likely. 
>
>> You guys choke every year.
>
>as opposed to Michigan who has such a stellar record in the Rose Bowl.  If
>anyone choked this year pal, it was you guys.  OSU improved as the season
>went on.  Michigan got worse.
The heading was OSU beats Michigan 13-13.  Who mentioned the Rose Bowl.  I 
think your stretching just a bit.  Your team has a better Rose bowl record as
of late.  At least we won one a few years back.  It was several years ago
when you went.   
>
>> Next year it is in Ann Arbor.  We will win that one also.
>
>we'll see.
I don't see a reason why we shouldn't.  We've got plenty of returnees.
>
>> Can your coach.  He's out of there.
>
>what do you care?  If he's so terrible, I'd think you'd want him back.  No,
>you know he's a good coach who's building the team and your scared.
We just like to be the team that gets your coach fired.  Winless in 5.
>
>>  OSU still sucks!  Get back down to earth.
>
>what class.  Come away with a tie & insult the other team.
As opposed to OSU fans, this is a minor insult.  I'd say your fans flamed
MICHIGAN much harder than we flamed you.  Did I flip you off, did I swear,
Come on buckeye you can take a little insult can't you.  Every true 
Michigan fan has the 'Ohio State Sucks' buttons.  It's just a part of the 
rivalry.  Settle down.
>
>> A tie still means MICHIGAN is unbeaten in its last 5 games
>> against OSU.  The streak goes on......
>
>blah blah blah...
>
>
>Congrats to Michigan on a fine season and good luck in the Rose Bowl.  You
>surely don't deserve "fans" like this guy.
Am I really that bad?  Most of the OSU fans have proved you wrong on several
postings.  
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>444 Hoes Lane RRC 1B-209
>Piscataway, NJ 08854
>
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> and wrong." - H.L. Mencken
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:58:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.192717.46177@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Hey, be nice...  And besides, I didn't go to FSU, I went to Purdue...
Wow, after having been at war with you for more than a year, this is the
first time I realize that you went to Purdue. 

From your bias, I always thought you went to Miami, and was one of the
cellmates of the Miami Convicts.

BTW, how come you never talk about Purdue in the r.s.f.college? Did you
graduate?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: First round surprise (prediction)
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.125825.5784@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	Yet Another way-out on the limb prediction:
>
>	Kirk Herbstreit will go in the first round of the college draft. 
>(Methinks either Philadelphia or Chicago are likely selectors.)

gads, you really are going out on a limb.  i will have to respectfully
disagree: i think kirk, for no fault of his own, has been afflicted
with what i call the "flutie disease" (named in honor of doug flutie).
that is, he's too SHORT (what is kirk, 5'9"?  maybe 5'10"?).

drew 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso Screws A&M
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:30:00 GMT

In article <1eg8llINNkqj@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>
>here too.  Then FSU plows 2-6 Tulane, and A&M has to struggle late to put
>UofH (3-6) away.  SWC followers know Uh is more dangerous than 3-6 would ind-
>icate, but naturally the pollsters (most of 'em, anyway) wouldn't know that.

Tell that to Michigan... What was the final score 63-3 in favor of visitors?
Yeah, UH is a tough one for sure...

Njan