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From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: london and the mai'm
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.213014.20675@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes...
>>But one thing for sure the english women are the UGLIEST women i have  seen.
>>Ugly no looks, a white pale skin ...... no wonder they were such good
>>sailors. Who wouldn't be ?????????
> 
> >>       Maybe you can help me here. What one`s skin color got to do
>>>with one's talent as a sailor ? :)
> 
>Explaining this spoils all the fun ..... good sailors so they can find
>better looking women in distant lands.
> 
>sahibzada rafay khan[looking for a redhead .. because haven't had any]
				=========================================

	Again, some complex regarding hair color ? ;) Btw, are we familiar
	with the connotations of 'had' ? Are we talking about 'another 
	notch in the belt' approach here ? :)

________________________
Asim M Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
From: zmhasan@neumann.waterloo.edu (Z. Masum Hasan)
Subject: Burma, Bangladesh News - Apr 9
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:14:29 GMT


Article 923 of bit.listserv.seasia-l:
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Who keeps Jamaat in power?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:37:30 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>About Misra's question, The BD government still doesn't want to try Gulam 
>Azam for his anti-liberation activities. He has been arrested merely for 
>overstay without a proper visa. Politics based on religion was made 
>legal after '75. So Jamaat isn't doing anything illegal right now (except for 
>electing Gulam Azam as chairman) so the government can't go after them. The 
>amnesty declared by Mujib protects Razaakars from trial of their war-crimes. 
>The outrage against Gulam Azam is symbolic. He represents all those who 
>were involved in crimes against Bangalis in '71.

	Thank you sir for taking the time, you have answered my question.
Actaully, hearing all the strong sentiments from both sides, it did occur
to me to be a little strange that a anti-national party was allowed to 
function. Humm.. is it possible for the government to ban the party if it 
finds enough proof on anti-national grounds? I suppose they would have to 
ban relgious based parties.. Thanks anyhow.

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From: dea@vccnorthd.its.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: Re: City of Joy
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:29:54 GMT

In article <13APR199223352241@zeus.tamu.edu> s0k5099@zeus.tamu.edu (KHAN, SHAHRIAR) writes:
>CITY OF JOY
>
>	Patrick Swayze in the unlikely setting of the squalor of Calcutta, once
>again is the angry young man with a heart of gold. Viewers are forced to 
>confront the uncelebrated day-to-day lives of the underprivileged in India. 
>Shabana Azmi (the "art film" actress from Bombay) pairs opposite Omresh Puri
>(the classic villain in Hindi movies), who plays the part of a rickshaw-puller.
>Provides solace to s.c.b. subscribers complaining about rickshaws, who are 
>reminded that Dhaka rickshaws could have been as bad as those in Calcutta. Has 
>scenes of childbirth (to a leper couple) and a teenage prostitute's mouth being 
>slashed by a landlord's son; scenes we would rather not to see. Forceful scenes 
>include that of the rickshawpuller pounding landlord's son's face on ground as 
>son's "goondas" stand by and watch.
>
>	The squalor of Calcutta is reminiscent of street scenes in Purana Dhaka,
>complete with poverty, and the portrayal of many unglamorous inhabitants. One
>almost expects them to blurt out in Bangla, which they do not do of course, 
>since the movie is in English. In one scene, however, one detects a familiar
>Bangla song in the background. 
>
>Shahriar Khan
>Texas A&M University


CITY OF JOY
	It is Om Puri (and not Amrish Puri) who plays Hasari Pal (the rickshaw puller).

	There are a few bits of bengali words that one may be able to catch (apart from
the song "Laje ranga holo ...." played during the wedding). For example towards the 
beginning when Max regains consciousness in Joan's room, there is a crowd of children
in the window and then a lady says "Tora shob ekhane bhir kore ki dekhchish, ja shob...".

	As Shahriar  mentions, the message of the movie is quite strong at certain times
and may make many people feel uncomfortable. 

Shubho Noboborsho
Anirban
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Stop Genocide, the film
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:20:07 GMT


In article <NAEEM.92Apr15201651@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> 
> Was speaking to Tarek Masud [info on his forthcoming 'Mikthir Gan' was posted
> on scb while back]. Deepressing info on film archives. Shurjo Dighol Bari
> had subtitles, missing somewhere in Europe [?]. 

Missing somewhere in Europe?  A couple of years ago, they showed
"Shurjo Dighol Bari" on French TV with French subtitles.  It was a
reasonably good print, so I presume they had actual movie reels rather
than a tape.  Are those the only available prints?

-- Shakil
From: s0k5099@zeus.tamu.edu (KHAN, SHAHRIAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Tukki-taki news on parenthood....
Keywords: PM->Prime Minister, JSD-> Jatiyotabadi Samajtantrik Dal
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Farhad Ahmed) writes...
>	She (Raoshan Ershad) was accompanied by her(???) son Saad,....
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The King said that he now has a son,
Brothers and sisters he has none,
But there went around the word,
No pregnancy had been observed,
On the Queen, who was already fifty-one.

Shahriar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Stop Genocide, the film
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:56:26 GMT


Ihtisham Kabir [kabir@kabir.eng.sun.com] writes:

   I remember meeting a Bangladeshi gentleman in Chicago in the late 1970s
   who was in Dhaka University on March 25, 1971. He had a movie camera
   with him at that time and he said that he made movies of the Pakistani
   soldiers lining up and shooting people from his window.
   
   He had a dramatic personality and I still recall my hair standing on
   edge as he described the risks he took by peeking out of the curtains
   and running his movie camera. For the life of me I can't recall his 
   name, or whether he ever saved those movies. I suppose if there is
   sufficient interest I could try to find out from the people in whose
   house I met him.

Amitabha Banerjee [banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov] writes:
 
 In 1972 Delhi Doordarshan (TV) actually showed such a movie. May be it was
 the same one. The picture was not very clear having been shot from far
 and later copied several times, finally onto tape I think. It was
 really disturbing - groups of individuals being dragged out of the buildings,
 made to stand in the middle of a courtyard and shot, their bodies falling on
 to an already existing pile of bodies. The movie was shot from the professor's
 - I think he was a prof. - window or balcony on the second/third floor. Was
 it his official quarters? As I remember it the victims were students - was it
 Jagannath Hall? I'm sorry that after twenty years I can't recall any more
 details but the pictures are pretty vivid in my mind.
 
The footage was taken by a professor of Electrical Engineering of what
is now BUET. I will try to dig up his name from my references. The footage
was taken from the building right opposite Jagannath Hall. The second
white building to the left if one walks from M A Rashid Bhaban towards
the medical college. Only Jagannath Hall has a clear view from that
angle.

I would like to request Ihtisham Kabir to try to dig up more information.

-- Zunaid H. Kazi             kazi@cis.udel.edu        302-456-3493

 

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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: AL kowtowing to jamaat?
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:12:53 GMT

In article <18717@ravel.udel.edu> kazi@ravel.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
   the state of Bangladesh's  politics,  with both  Awami League and  the BNP, 
   kowtowing  to Jamaat  for narrow political  gains
-------
The two incidents of AL deference in this matter that i know of are:
	-AL presidential candidate visiting Azam for his "blessings" or
whatever, mainly as a counter to BNP candidate's visit
	-When bill to return Bangladesh to parliamentary rule was passed,
several AL MPs were seen shaking hands with Motiur Rahman Nizami (Jamaat
Parliamantaary leader and known razakar) when congratulations were being 
passed around. No senior AL MPs did this. However, all senior BNP MPs
(including Education Minister and, at the time, Khaleda's closest
advisor Badruddoza Chowdhury) shook hands with Nizami.

If you know of other (post 1990) incidents of AL kowtowing to Jamaat, could
you please post.

AL govt up to 75 was only post independence govt that did not have some link
to Jamaat, fundamnetalists, etc. Zia had Shah Aziz, Ershad Moulana Mannan, etc.
This is maybe the only area where AL has advantage on track record over other
parties.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
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From: asaleh@eos.ncsu.edu (ASIF  SALEH)
Subject: recent baimela
Reply-To: asaleh@eos.ncsu.edu (ASIF  SALEH)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:45:24 GMT


     The Bai mela of 1992 just concluded in Dhaka. This bookfair was
significant
in many points.
1. This was the biggest bookfair in the history of the country.
2. This one was the most organized one.
3. Every day books worth of 3 to 4 lakhs were sold on an average.
   Biggest sellout of books ever.
4. Humayun Ahmed had 10 new books published. he personally opened a
    stall for the exhibition of his three daughters.
5, Imdadul Haque milon, the prolific writer, published 19 books raising
   his tallyto 126.
6. An all male procession was brought out under the banner of " Taslima
   Nasreen Peshon Committee" demanding the punishment of the columnist,
poet and
   a wellknown feminist. It was reported that she,in her recent
article,termed
   the males as impotents.Details could not be gathered.





                                         Asif Saleh
                                         North Carolina State University
========================================================================
===========
n.b. Naieem Mohaimmen(sp?), if you are reading, its your cousin.
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Tukki-Takki on B'desh....
Keywords: PM->Prime Minister, JSD-> Jatiyotabadi Samajtantrik Dal
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:53:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

In article <kuq1ltINNcqk@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> fahmed@dhaka.Eng.Sun.COM (Farhad Ahmed) writes:
> [lots of news deleted]
>	Govt. has announced Independence Day Award'92. The winners 'r
>
>		Mr. (late) Zahir Raihan- in Literature(Posthumously)

It is good to hear that Raihan is getting some recognition
from the government.

Not to show any disrespect for Raihan, but his brother Shahidullah
Kaiser was a far better writer. "Shangshaptak" is an epic novel
that stands its own ground against any Bengali novel of any
period. However, the subject matter would probably be Politically
Incorrect for the times that we live in. "Shareng Bou" is also an
exceptionally good novel. I found that Raihan's novels while being 
good were a little on the slow side.

- Ihtisham Kabir
From: s0k5099@zeus.tamu.edu (KHAN, SHAHRIAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Different method of posting on s.c.b.
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:57:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	If anyone has difficulties posting on s.c.b., it can also be done
by sending mail to soc-culture-bangladesh@ucbvax.berkeley.edu 
							
							  (Courtesy, Coban)

Shahriar 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Politics of Infiltration: Stop Labanonisation of Eastern India
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:05:52 GMT


In article <s2ahiINNics@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.203521.18757@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> >
> >Regarding the question of India's "shrinking uninterruptedly for
> >centuries," I think your sense of history is very different from most.
> >As a country, India never did exist until the British brutally stuck
> >many different kingdoms under their banner.  But casting that aside,
> 	
> 	I dont think you are right there. The concept of a nation of 
> sorts was there much before what you state. Kings like Asoka, Akbar
> and so always maintained a nation status throughout their rule.

Certainly, the Mughal empire was large, but would you really consider
it equivalent to the modern concept of India?  How far south did the
Mughal empires extend?  Indeed, was the south and the north ever
united as a common "India" until the British came along?

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: AHMEDF@BELOIT.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: zero and my last posting
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:19:00 GMT

i told y'll i'd get those references....
and here they are:-
well, actually, i think i'll do a little better than that....
(1) "A SOURCE BOOK IN MATHEMATICS", D.J. Struik.
this didn't help my purposes much except for this one footnote:
"These are the 9 figures of the Indians
9  8  7  6  5  4  3  2  1
With these figures, and with this sign 0 which in Arabic is called zephirum,
any number can be written."
footnote: "ZEPHIRUM, ZEPHYR; from Arabic AS-SIFR, literal translation of
sanskrit SUNYA=empty; has in its turn led to French CHIFFRE, German ZIFFER,
and English ZERO and CIPHER. The meaning of these terms is either ZERO or
number digit in general, which shows the importance attached to the 0 in the
understanding of the decimal position system."

another useful book, was David Eugene Smith's "History of Ancient Mathematics"
(i think that's what the name of the book is, vol. 1 ) quoting from there:
"In the period from 500-1000 A.D., Mahavira had written about the zero. One 
interesting thing he wrote about the zero is, "A number multiplied by zero
is zero, and that [number] remains unchanged when it is divided by, combined
with, [or] diminished by zero." This idea is echoed by sridhara around 1000
A.D. Again the divish8ion by zero is not considered. Bhaskara has also 
commented in this vein, with the addition that, " 
oops. "A definite quantity divided by cipher is a sub-multiple of nought,"
giving the illustration that 10 divided by 0= 10/0 adn 3 divided by 0
is 3/0, the latter being accompanied by the statement that "this fraction,
of which the denominator is cipher, is termed an infinite quantity.  However,
(scratch that).
[oh, end quote. :} ]
however, {damn these mosquitoes!!!!! sorry} the book that helped me the most
was David Eugene Smith and Louis Charles Karpinski's book, "The Hindu-
Arabic Numerals". [Boston adn London, Ginn and Company Publ. 1911].
if you're interested in this subject, be sure to check this out.
one article that i read in math reviews was by R.N. Mukherjee, called
"background to the discovery of the symbol for zero",, which talks about
how the zero was represented by a dot or a circle in vedic literature.
he claims that these symbols were introduced before 500 B.C.  He goes on
to give the so-called spiritual and physical reasons for the actual choice
of symbols.

so there you go. mind you, if you don't agree with these articles/books,
don't yell at me, i didn't write them. yell at the people who did. :}
but if you can give me any printed proof (which i can get a hold of before
wednesday the 15th) i would surely be happy to take a look at it. :}

must get off now, before the tornado warning becomes a tornado and REALLY
screws up my account.... :}
hasta (por ahora....)
--Famin.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:2213 soc.culture.pakistan:5865 soc.culture.indian:13392
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: News [apr 13]:UN non solution, Azam, debt 
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:17:06 GMT


apr 9

flash flood likely to hit in april [xinhua]

illegal immigrants from Bangladesh detained in Santa Rita jail, bay area, 
complained about food. medical care and said they could not practise their
religion [sf chronicle]

Indian tripura insurgents admit being trained in Bangladesh[bbc]

apr 10

debt repayment reaches highest level, 21% of total export earnings[x]
['debt trap' as coined by Cheryl Payer]

drought destroys 1.4 m acres of rice in north[reuter]

Gun battle between security forces and tribal rebels kill 11, wound 50 in cht.
Dead mostly tribespeople [r]

125,000 hindus from Bangladesh, India, Nepal and Burma came to Langalbandh
near Dhaka for the largest hindu ceremony in Bangladesh[r]

Boutros Ghali announced agreement on repatriation of 200,000 Burmese refugees 
in Bangladesh [afp][Make sure they don't manage to escape this time,ok? (this
is un's idea of a solution?)]

apr 12

May propose 461.5 m $ in fresh taxes [r]

Police stop attempt by thousands of Jamaat activists to march into parliament
as discussion on azam begins[afp]

apr 13

parliament continues discussion on Gulam Azam issue[x][so "mock" trial not
a waste of time after all]

More than 3,000 burmese muslims arriving in Bangladesh daily [Independent]
[un solution 2989: bus them out as fast as they come in]

----------------
News search today yielded news item about cobras in Bangladesh parliament
from appr. 15 different sources, with headlines such as "MPs recoil" [ho ho],
"Snake charmer to politicians", "Politicians look to snake charmer for rescue",
"What in the world is going on?" [oh pay no attention, just the natives again],
etc. Last news item on Bangladesh to draw this much coverage was the "3 cows
being exchanged for one Bangladeshi woman at Indian border" story. Draw your 
own conclusions.





--
Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
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"Bangladeshi man kills himself, then eats wife. Next on Donahue"
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From: fahmed@dhaka.Eng.Sun.COM (Farhad Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Parliament is cobra haven....
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:38:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dhaka


	Assaalaamu-Waalaikum.

	The followin' article was published on Today's(04.13.92) The San Jose
	Mercury News daily. Enjoy it.

	Allah Hafez.

	Farhad Ahmed.
+--------------------------------------------|------------------------------+
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*************************** CUT HERE ***************************
[Sources: Deutsche Presse Agentur]

		Parliament is cobra haven
      ------------------------------------------------	
Dhaka,Bangladesh-
	Women who can charm snakes are on standby as the Bangladeshi
	Parliament begins its summer session.
	Eight deadly cobras have been caught in the sprawling building
	since last week, when frightened deputies fled the building
	following a snake alarm.
	Police and firefighters failed to entice the reptiles from their
	lairs, and the snake charmers were called in.
	Abdul Hussain, who caught three of the cobras, said more could
	be lurking in the building.
	"It is difficult to say how many snakes are still holed up in
	the building, but it seems several families of cobras moved in
	during the winter for hibernation when Parliament was not in
	session," Hussain said.
	Some deupties are taking no chances and have hired their own
	snake charmers, officials said.

****************************** END ******************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Treatment of Minorities in Bangladesh
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:44:54 GMT


In article <1992Apr15.141627.1@engvms.unl.edu>, mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:

> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT BENGALI SOCIETY AND PEOPLE, THEY
> ARE MOSTLY SECULAR.

What is that supposed to mean?

-- Shakil
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: ahsharif@violet.waterloo.edu (Abdul hoque  Sharif)
Subject: Burma-1/
Keywords: Burma/Politics
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:11:36 GMT




   DPA, Teknaf, Bangladesh, April 8 - Scores of Moslems were killed in a
mosque in a Burmese town during the Islamic Eid al-Fitr festival on
Sunday, refugees arriving in southern Bangladesh claimed Wednesday.
   Burmese Moslems in Dhuapanoff Refugee Camp in the Bangladesh border
town of Teknaf said about 300 people died and over 150 others were badly
injured in the carnage in the main mosque of Mangdaw town close to the
Bangladesh-Burma border on Sunday.
   The official Bangladesh news agency BSS quoted intelligence reports
saying at least 100 people were massacred on the first day of the
festival in the town's Sikderpara Moslem district.
   Refugee sources said troops surrounded the mosque with heavy
artillery guns after Moslems broke the lock of the prayer hall to hold
an Eid congregation inside. The mosque had been sealed by the
authorities in November after allegations that it was being used as a
hideout by Moslem rebels fighting for autonomy in Arakan province.
   Ali Zoha, 45, a Moslem refugee who crossed the border into Bangladesh
said troops opened fire on the praying Moslems with field guns and
lobbed three grenades inside the mosque. Many children were among the
3,000 persons who were present in the mosque.


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