HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Earle Bruce's record
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:22:03 GMT

  Jeff Nappi wrote:
>  >|> under Cooper.  You don't fire a guy after his best year.  Granted, he ma
y
>  >|> decide to leave on his own, but I'd say that's a pretty slim possibility
>  >|> right now.  He doesn't strike me as a quitter (USC game a few years ago
>  >|> excepted :-)).
>  >|>

  Alan Harder replied:
>Didn't they fire Earl Bruce after his best year?

     Actually, Ohio State fired Bruce after his *worst* year. He was 5-4-1 
after a loss to...Indiana, was it? At that point, prominent alumni had had 
enough, and, through the Board of Trustees, they had Bruce fired. Ohio State, 
led by Spielman, White, et al. then went out and upset Michigan to give Bruce a
win in his last game as OSU coach.

                                        Steve
///
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: bowl games
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:52:58 GMT

>
>can anyone please post the various bowl games, their location nad scheduled
>dates.
>thanx
>
>January 1 games
>Rose           Pasadena, CA
>Sugar          New Orleans, LA
>Cotton         Dallas, TX
>Orange         Miami, FL
>Fiesta         Tempe, AZ
>Citrus         Orlando, FL
>Blockbuster    Miami, FL
>Hall of Fame   Tampa, FL
>
>January 2
>Peach          Atlanta, GA
>
>December 31
>Gator          Jacksonville, FL
>Independence   Shreveport
>Liberty        Memphis, TN
>Hancock        EL Paso, TX
>
>December 30
>Holiday        San Antonio, CA
>
>December 29
>Copper         Tucson, AZ
>Freedom        Anaheim, CA
>
>December 25
>Aloha          Honolulu, HI
>
>December 18
>Silver         Las Vegas, Nevada
>
>

hey, you forgot the Alamo Bowl, and the Holiday Bowl is in San Diego, not
San Antonio...  :-)

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:47:57 GMT

hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop) writes:

>In article <cls4.721322494@Isis.MsState.Edu> cls4@ra.msstate.edu (Charles L. Spirrison) writes:
>>
>>
>>A. On October 1, the Mississippi State Bulldogs POUNDED the Florida Gators.
>>   ... it wasn't even close.  Shane was simply rattled by the defense.
>>B. Mississippi State is currently 7-2.  The Gators are 6-2.
>>C. Florida is ranked 13 by USA Today/CNN, 11 in the AP.
>>D. Mississippi State is ranked 16 in each poll.
>>
>>  .... something is wrong here
>>
>>Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens as Bulldogs take on Bama.  
>>Logic dictates a 'Bama victory - but Jackie's troops play very well when
>>cast as underdogs (esp. at home).  -  My guess:  Offense is the key for
>>State.  QB Plump (or his sub) must have a good game.  A number of completions
>>will be needed to keep the Alabama defense honest, and to insure a productive
>>running game.  State's defense is good enough to keep the Alabama scoring down
>>PROVIDED that the defense isn't on the field much over half of the game.
>>The Bulldogs can win this game (with a little luck).  Maybe THEN they'll be
>>ranked over Florida!
>>
>>cls4@ra.msstate.edu               GO BULLDOGS!

>You know what really ticks me off is that Florida moved UP to 11 from 14 after
>having to come from BEHIND against Southern Miss. (an UNRANKED team)
>Florida did NOT even come close to the point spread : 13 1/2  and they still moved up.

>No justice, Southern Miss only plays Division I schools and get nada, while the
>big boys (Miami,Bama,Mich) get to play some divison II schools and coast in the
>standings.

I completely agree.  We came from behind and beat Memphis State AT Memphis
and fell out of the poll.  Southern Mississippi gave UF the biggest scare of
their life, almost losing at home under Superior.  What really pissed me off
was the guys on ESPN, Shane threw blah blah for blah touchdowns.  They forgot
to mention the interception.  Oh yeah, I forget, a *FORMER* heisman candidate
can't throw those (I think he has thrown 10 this season).  IMHO, USM should
have been ranked anyway going into that game, especially after whipping
East Carolina.

>BTW when will the Bulldog come south and play USM for the state title? Or if Hattiesburg
>is too far to travel how bout Jackson?? 

I'd love to.  One of the most exciting games I've been to was the last MSU-
USM game.  Maybe the AD's will get together one day and let USM play State
and Ole Miss again. 

4 days till the humiliation of Alabama's "#1" defense.  GO DOGS!!!!

David


-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:38:14 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov11.200643.19530@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU writes:

> Well for all you over-footballed, under-educated Miami folks
> out there, I only have two words for you.
> 
> CRIMSON TIDE!
> 
[etc,, etc.]
> 
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!    FLAME ON!
> 
> YOU'LL WORK FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME IN THE LONG RUN!

  Which goes far to explain the current sorry state of American business.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: My Top 25
Organization: American Math. Society
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.135342.10153@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:


   >4. Michigan
   >6. Washington. Still a damn good team, of course, if they have to forfeit
	>	  their first 8 games, they're hosed. Luckily they are looking
	>	  at an easy rose bowl opponent.

If their opponent in the Rose Bowl is so easy, why did you rank the
opponent as the fourth best team in the nation, and higher then
Washington?



-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trouble at the UDub
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:41:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Nov6.144158.1



In article <25988@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

               BILLY JOE BABBLE DELEATED

> He's screwed. The guy is a booster from what I heard and I would be worried
> if I were a Washington fan - tell me, what are the chances that the
> second string QB is the only player on the team who was offered and
> accepted $$ from this guy or another booster like him? I'm gonna
> guess that there are a few nervous players in that locker room right
> now....
> 


Gary, you really are a complete fucking idiot, aren't you?  The guy who
made the loan is in absolutely no way affiliated w/ U-Dub (As has been
stated over and over again).  Billy Joe screwed up, will probably get
kicked off of the team, and probably deserves to.  I've always thought
Brunell was a better QB, and Huard is probably an excellent backup.
I just feel a little sorry for Hobert since he obviously has a
judgement problem.  He'll probably be the Todd Marinivich/Art Schleister
of UW.  Oh well.

As for the game Saturday, I hope this hasn't distracted the team too much.
I really look forward to them kicking your you know what in.

As for you Gary, you have succeeded once again in being a moronic
asshole.  Can't wait to beat the Cat hoopsters for the third year in
a row in Seattle, either.

> 
>                       gln
> 
-Daytrpr

Geeez, how did an idiot like you get into the U of A and how many years
are you going to be there anyway !?!?!  What, it's been at least 10
already, right?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Bowl games.
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:16:46 GMT

In article <92309.162804JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.031925.24429@walter.bellcore.com>, lein@bae.uucp (John
>Leinaweaver) says:
>>
>>In article <1992Nov3.215811.25022@cbfsb.cb.att.com> 5rtrtrt@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
>>(richard.e.stealey) writes:
>>>Could anyone tell me what bowl game committments have been made
>>>and which ones are up for grabs.  I know there are restrictions on
>>>many of the bowls (i.e. Big 10 winner vs PAC 10 or whatever).
>>>
>>>On a related subject, whats this I read in other posts here, Penn
>>>State gets to go to the Blockbuster Bowl no matter what their
>>>record?  Sounds anti-competitive to me.
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>
>>About anti-competitive as Notre Dame's arrangement (oops - I forgot, a
>>7-4 Notre Dame is equal in status to any of the conference champs).
>>
>>or as anti-competitive as the Big East which has a group of silly
>>reporters picking their champion
>>
>>or as anti-competitive as the bowl cartel which saw fit to exclude
>>several division IA schools from their arrangement.
>>
>>John L
>
>Of course, in order to be fair, we must also include
>
>or as anti-competitive as two conferences who refuse to even participate
>in a well-intentioned (if not well-thought out) attempt to produce
>a valid championship game.
>
>Jim Thomas

The bowl cartel was meant to produce better matchups in the bowls
and was the bowls way of procrastinating any real attempt to stage a
national championship.  A well-intended, well thought out plan
would not have excluded any available div IA teams (PSU, East Carolina,...) 

Excluding the Big Ten and Pac Ten, if Alabama, Texas A&M, and Miami all
go undefeated, how does this produce a valid championship game?  Once
again, let the media decide - heck the media even gets to pick the
Big East champion (which is seated high in the Bowl Cartels formula)

Hopefully the Big Ten and Pac 10 will continue with the Rose Bowl until
a true, fair, championship format is constructed.  Hard to call the
bowl cartel a valid championship if it excludes two of the
strongest conferences.

John L 





Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:12:25 CST

I agree, I haven't seen any team that can even compare to the talent and
motivation that the Hurricanes have.  They can and will be #1 in the end
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Washington vs. Arizona
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:34:31 GMT

chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> Despite the loss, the Huskies will go to the Rose Bowl if they
> win their last two games and that should be easy.  

     What a foolish thing to say.  I remember
one year (was it '84?) when Washington said the
same thing, only to go on to get upset in the
Apple Cup and lose the Rose Bowl.

     That put Arizona State in, since all they
had to do was beat lowly Arizona.  Arizona State
then copped the same piss poor attitude and
proceeded to go down to Tucson and get whipped.
UCLA wound up backing into the Rose Bowl with two
Pac-10 losses, including a loss to Ted Tollner's
hapless Southern Cal team which had also risen to
the occasion to beat a favored rival.

     You have no doubt offended the woofing gods.
Repent and pray for forgiveness.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PENN STATE'S POOR OUTING
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:54:26 EST

In article <kex1KcO00iV3Q1azoY@andrew.cmu.edu>, wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott
Gregory) says:

>    Not to flame anyone or any team, but can someone explain to me how a
>team that has been performing like Penn State is still ranked as high as
>it is?

Oh, c'mon.  If Notre Dame were having this kind of season, they'd still be
in the Top Ten...

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
From: coutinho_b@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: request for more iNFO!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 09:24:06 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: coutinho_b@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

hello all. I am new to this group. Here in NZ the NFL can now only be
seen on local cable (actually UHF) aloong with college games. I do occasionally get a chance to watch a few games. 

Is there a group FAQ for this or the rec.sport.football.pro group?

Also, in NZ American Football, or Gridiron as its called here ( eek!) is
gaining in popularlity (sp?) during the summer. In Auckland there is a 
league with about a dozen or so teams, here in Wellington, there are only 4
:)
We play college rules, and we have just got under way in our season. This
is my first try at this sport and I LOVE it. I am currently playing the
position of Strong Saftey, though last week I played Cornerback.

If anyone would like to chat, feel free to email me! (is there an irc channel? for football?)

later!

BTW - who are the _best_ college teams?  
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From: apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Billy Joe Woes
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:11:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.201124.16189
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I recently heard some news on KJR that some of the coaching staff (not
Don James) may have been aware of the fact that Billy Joe had gotten
a large loan.  Wow!  This could be very significant.  I still don't
think they are going to pull back Husky wins, but if the did it would
be very interesting indeed.  I mean, think about it, suddenly Nebraska
is undefeated and USC has only one tie!  What does this do to the bowl
picture?

There is also a posibility that only PAC-10 wins will be revoked, because
the PAC-10 has more stringent rules than the NCAA.  If this happens, and
the Huskies were to win their remaining games, they would end up 6-5.
Then they might be able to squeek into the Fiesta Bowl!  Who would they
play?

Please don't flame me for these thoughts, I'm just looking at some scenarios.
Who knows what will happen?  What I am sure of, however, is that this
adverse publicity will definitely hurt the Huskies ability to concentrate
on their remaining games.  Overall, an unfortunate situation.  Way to go,
Billy Joe.

-- Andy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Help with a trivia question
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.141929.11883@bsu-ucs> 00mafrank@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> Just a question from a Michigan fan...
> 
> A few years ago, like 1989, Michigan won the NCAA tournament
> in basketball and either the football season before or after
> finished in the top three or so in the final poll.
> 
> My question is, what are the top placings for a single school
> in consecutive seasons of football and basketball?  It doesn't
> matter which comes first but preferably football should come
> first since then the final ranking would be in the same year.

Oklahoma had similar success in 1988 - #1 seed in SE Region and
runner-up to Kansas in hoops, and I think they had an Orange Bowl
berth that year as well.  But maybe this is "my ignorance shining
out like the sun" again.

(cross-posted to r.s.bb.c)

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:51:54 GMT

tad@tad.b30.ingr.com (tad w stephens) writes:

>[stuff about bama deleted]

> >Remember this fact : the only SEC team that isn't 'CHICKEN' to play
> >Miami is Auburn and you would be the first (IMO) to bitch and holler
> >about Miami playing a weak team !

>Wait a minute, Blowhard.  I seem to remember another Sugar Bowl where the
>mighty CANEZ got chewed up and spit out by an SEC team in dressed orange.
>Does the score 35-7 ring a bell?   If you don't remember it, ask Vinny 
>Testaverde.  I'm sure he still wakes up in a cold sweat thinking about that 
>one.  Before you go ragging the entire SEC because Florida won't play you, 
>check who else plays in the SEC.

Why do you insist on bringing up the Sugar Bowl ? The SEC has no choice.
The champion goes to the Sugar Bowl. Done. Thats it. Fini.

Now to get back to my answer to an Alabama fan that sounded like a
blowhard when he said that Miami would chicken out and opt for the OB.
I said that no SEC team would schedule a home and home series with Miami.
You tell me which one will ! 

Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.college:19128 alt.licker.store:39
From: franklir@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ryan J Franklin )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,alt.licker.store
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Summary: Jason Corley implodes!  Film at 11.
Keywords: alt.licker.store, where dreams become....er....dreams.
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:22:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.licker.store
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov9.202510.10045@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.035100.28076@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> franklir@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ryan J Franklin ) writes:
>>materialism, let alone DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM!, and that there is
>>no FAQ, let alone a purpose, to this newsgroup.  None whatsoever.
>>Go ahead.  Try and find one.  You won't, it doesn't exist.
>
>Ryan I resent that statement!  I have not forgotten that
>alt.licker.store is completely pointless!
[stuff deleted]      
>
>And there is a FAQ!  Here is the Frequently Asked Question
>on alt.licker.store:
>What's the point?
>
>And there is, of course, no FAQ, Frequently Answered Question,
>at all.

You are SO high.  I don't think anyone has asked a question here
yet.  This newsgroup is a classic illustration of the ancient
Zen koan "Ro shite ko nashi."  (Working hard, and accomplishing
nothing.  Actually, no, there hasn't even been any hard work in
here, unless you count hitting the shift key to get an exclamation
point.)

>PS If you don't like it, you can slip nasty notes under my door.
>You know where I live...hey wait a minute...you live there too!

Yes, I do.  Watch your step, pink boy.
 
	-- Ryan Franklin
	   franklir@gas.uug.arizona.edu

ObCollegeFootball: Er...sorry, there isn't any.  But the Followups line
                   has been changed, if that's any consolation. ;-)
From: gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:00:41 GMT
Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college


>>I'll admit to being an impatient OU fan who goes back and forth on 
>>Gibbs.  I understand very well that probation has hurt OU.  I also 
>>admire the job he has done given the condition the program was in 
>>when he took it over.  *But*, IMHO, there are games which OU has lost 
>>(Texas past few years, and USC this year) in which the team has 
>>appeared ininspired and unprepared.  This, in my mind, reflects badly 
>>on the entire OU coaching staff.
>>
>I have wondered why OU has lost to Texas the past several years,
>after being favorites going into the game.  If it is as you say
>"ininspired and unprepared" then the coach has to take the blame.
>These kinds of things[UHaul-beer] makes the OU coaching job very
>unappealing to the next coach if Gibbs does get fired.

I'll admit that OU is never uninspired against Texas.  But they sure 
looked that way to me against USC.  Gibbs (or is it Coker?) goes 
conservative during close big games and puts the game in the hands of 
his defense.  One mistake by the offense (fumble returned for TD) or one 
last gasp drive by the opponent and the game is lost.  I just wonder if 
Gibbs is a "big-time" coach who can motivate before the game, prepare 
before the game and coach during the game.  I'm not convinced he is this 
type of coach.  Will he learn in time?  After four years, I don't know, 
and that concerns me.

*But*, what if Gibb's is fired??  Who are the hot coaching prospects
in the country who are capable of running a program with the tradition
(and problems) which OU has?  I don't know of any.  Glen Mason is the
only coach who comes to mind, but he is already in the Big 8 and is
rumored to be looking at Ohio State.  I would really hate to see OU
become a revolving door coaching position.  Ohio State has never really
been the same since they fired Earl Bruce.

The idiots who deliver UHauls and dump beer may think they are cute,
but they don't realize that they are really harming the program with
their sick antics.  This kind of stuff just plays right into the
steriotype the rest of the country has about OU - cheaters, poor
loosers, convicts, etc.  If for no other reason, Gibbs deserves 
respect for the fantastic job he has done improving OU's off field 
image.

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