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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:02:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.232214.29000@cis.ohio-state.edu> friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:
>This might actually be helpful!  I've experienced times when I need to
>know a physical description of a character but couldn't find it
>(especially since we haven't had an up-to-date archive site in a long
>while).  Also, it's polite to ask the creator's permission before
>using a character, so contact addresses could come in handy...

Yup to the above.  I usually put contact addresses for the authors of all
the characters in a piece at the bottom of each piece I put together.  I
do NOT think that a general list of *all* the characters should be put
together, unless there's someone out there that's willing to maintain it,
and I, for one, do NOT have the time or the inclination to do that.

If someone does post that they're willing to put the work in for something
like that, I'll be happy to add their address and name to the FAQ as a
contact.  

>Consistency?  Could be.  But some like to visualize on their own.  I
>dunno, I could go either way on this.  Should we try to standardize?

I'll vote No.  :)

At least for standardization.  If the character list maintainer wants to
put their own standard up for anyone that wants to be part of their list,
I'll not object, as it'll probably just make life eaiser for the maintainer
to do stuff.  But in a general sense, No.  I'd rather there weren't any
standards and I'd rather no one *required* membership on a list.
--
Phyllis Rostykus
li@inigo.Data-IO.com
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:27:46 GMT

In article <Bto1H8.E2u@rice.edu> andsol@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew J. Solberg) writes:
]However, I was under the impression that the
]majority in this group are opposed to 'organizing' attempts for the very-
]justifiable reason that such steps can stifle creativity.  

This seems to be the problem, aye!

If a character list could be created, that would be simply smashing.
But this might prompt people to go for further standardization, which
I doubt would fly.  Heck, we can't even agree on where the Chatsubo is
geographically located!  :-)

Holy holey topology, Batman!  ;-)

							- Mark

And who is this person that put the Chat in *Ohio* of all places!?!? :-)

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former   "Beat poets,    "If you put a hungry ferret in your
 about King Crimson."       not children."  trousers, he'll run around..."
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90    - anonymous     - Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.115232.8374@ericsson.se> etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher) writes:
>By the way, something that would be realy usefull would be a list of Chat
>characters discribing their specialty and details of how to contact their
>creator.

This might actually be helpful!  I've experienced times when I need to
know a physical description of a character but couldn't find it
(especially since we haven't had an up-to-date archive site in a long
while).  Also, it's polite to ask the creator's permission before
using a character, so contact addresses could come in handy...

So, maybe a standard format is in order: name, description, profession,
mannerisms, past appearances, and relationships with other characters.
Oh, and email address(es) for contacting the owner.

Of course this starts drawing characters a little closer together.  It'll
provide a little help for collaborations, but will probably require a
little more work with general continuity.  And then somebody will want
a floorplan and entire description of the building that houses the Chat.
And then the list goes on!

Consistency?  Could be.  But some like to visualize on their own.  I
dunno, I could go either way on this.  Should we try to standardize?

							- Mark

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former   "Beat poets,    "If you put a hungry ferret in your
 about King Crimson."       not children."  trousers, he'll run around..."
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90    - anonymous     - Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
From: etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher)
Subject: ADMIN:- Desperately Seeking ??????
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:50:12 GMT

Ok so I goofed. Appologies to Jim Gaynor but apparently Sib was not the
character I was looking for. I vaguely remember a waitress character
appearing in a Chat story some time back, as I don't get to read this
group that often I thought 1) that she was a regular and 2) that her name
was Sib (burble!!!)

It would appear that I made a mistake, sorry. Does anyone know the name of
this character and it's creator. Guess this is where that list would come in
handy.............


Fletch
From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: NEKOKO ALL PARTS PLEASE!!???..
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:15:14 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


COULD SOMEONE E-MAIL ME ALL THE PARTS OF NEKOKO PLEASE??
DUE TO MAJOR MISTAKE (BY ME!!)
DELETED ALL PARTS I HAD BUT WAS MISSING A COUPLE ANYWAY!
PLEASE REPLY SOON CAUSE ONLY GOT COMP PRIVS
FOR ANOTHER 3 DAYS!!!

CHEERS MUCHLY IN ADVANCE

HUNTER-- 

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From: Malfera@cup.portal.com (Dan M Healy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Nekoko repost please.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:33:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Could someone repost or e-mail me Nekoko.13??  The ftp at
catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu didn't have it and i got a bit lost
between 12 and 14.  Thanks.







					Malfera@cup.portal.com
From: atmpas@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: ADMIN: The Inverse Square Law : distribution
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:42:02 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


	Several people have sent me email to the effect that only disparate 
parts of the story have reached them.  

	This may be something to do with the slightly random order that posts
in a thread often reach the UK (or at least my part of it).  I am (I promise 
you) about to post a full version (up to current date) of the Inverse Square
Law, to see if it fares any better in the distribution stakes. 

		- Paul Sherliker
From: hgb@catalina.edu (Hubert Bartels)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: I've reorganized the archives
Keywords: chatsubo archives
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:26:02 GMT
Organization: Optical Sciences Center

The screen advertising Budwieser Lite behind Ratz's head beeps.
Flashes and beeps again. Letters start to form on the screen.

>>>>>Message header. From Hubert Bartels,   27-AUG-92.........
The articles in the Chatsubo newsgroup are available for......
anonymous FTP from <catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu>.............
IP number is [128.196.206.60].................................
Files can be found in pub/chatsubo......................<<<<<<

A pale, slightly overweight, bespectacled, programmer looks up from
where he's been talking to this cute blonde cat-eared dancer and
stares at the flickering letters. "Ah, yes, I also want to add that
I've revised the archive." The cat-eared dancer looks somewhat
miffed at the sudden lack of interest. "I've divided the back
issues into larger files, roughly corresponding to the time that
the articles where posted. However, in 1992, I've started keeping
the files by article number (400-499, etc.)"

"The files are now compressed, and up to date as of August 14, 1992.
If there are any problems, write to me at the address below." The
cat-eared dancer starts to stand up. The programer puts out a hand
to stop her. "As usual, please try to restrict FTP'ing to evening
and weekend hours."

She shakes off his hand, looks down at him scornfully, then strides off.

"Shit.... Ratz, another beer here!"


--
Hubert Bartels          INTERNET: hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu
Optical Sciences Center (602)-621-2032
University of Arizona   "Uchi-ra wa Buaku-do no Annapuna to Yunipuma ya!" 
Tucson, AZ, USA 85721   "Senshatai Yaburetari!!" Annapuma & Unipuma, Dominion
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Just discovered Chatsubo
From: [--- ikke! <A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 11:23:08 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

This is the first time I read stuff from alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo,
somehow in the last couple of years I never noticed it. I guess
I'm hooked now...
 
thanks people,
 
Bjorn
bjorn@sara.nl
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher)
Subject: ADMIN: Who is Sib??????
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:52:32 GMT

Hi there, rather than make a customary Chatsubo "entry" I would like to 
submit a short story to introduce my character. To do this I need more          details on Sib, specifically a physical description and the name of her 
"creater" in order to beg permission. Could someone please Email me details
(to conserve bandwidth). Ta.

By the way, something that would be realy usefull would be a list of Chat
characters discribing their specialty and details of how to contact their
creator. As it stands at the moment you have to hope that someone usefull 
appears in the Chat when you need them, ok for interactive fiction but
not for larger projects.


Thanks.

Fletch
  
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: kat@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: The Inverse Square Law : Six
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:33:43 GMT
Organization: none

In <1992Aug27.040313.23207@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> exs16@po.CWRU.Edu (Eugene Shumulinsky) writes:


>In a previous article, atmpas@vax.oxford.ac.uk () says:

>>			 The Inverse Square Law : Six
>>			 ============================

>	Umm.... what happened to three, four, and five?
Yes, they didn't get here either.  What happened?

Kathryn Andersen
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From: cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Keywords: lock, deadbolt, skeleton key...
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:03:40 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network



Greetings, this is my first time posting here, though I've been keeping
up  with the descent stories... anyways, why not set up a monthly (or
whatever period) post of who's still around,  character descriptions,
etc... just so newcomers (kinda like me) have a basic description  of
story characteso we know wether or not this character will fit in our
virtual worlds.

just a idea from one with a deranged imagination...

S. Charles Dey   aka   The Crimson Avenger    (Crim on IRC)
"The sky above the port was the color of a televison tuned to a dead
 channel..."   -Neuromancer, William Gibson.
From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Nekoko's Story - Belladonna returns
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:11:21 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Originator: joan@ocean

Yea, yea, I'm back.  Been working on my other piece - things are a little
slow with it, sorry.  I thought I'd give myself a creative jump-start and
dive back into Nekoko's story.  It'll just be Belladonna.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

	The door to the Chatsubo opened and a black coated form slipped in;
a woman with dark auburn hair and a Mechanics Guild tattoo on her left
cheek.  She wore dark glasses and her skin was pale; the fine spider web
of scars on her left cheek were a stark white against the greyish cast of
her skin.  She walked up to the bar, her steps uneven and heavy.  Ratz saw
her and sidled over.
	"What can I get you, Belladonna?"  He looked at her closely, a flicker
of concern crossed his face then disappeared.
	"Coffee with a shot of the red label." Her voice was low and rough.
"Give me the homing device, Ratz.  The one that was brought in her a
little while ago.  Looks like a wristband."
	Ratz reached under the bar and handed her the wristband Blackjack
had showed him earlier.  Bella turned it over in her hand, lifted her
glasses and scanned along the edges.  After a bit she dropped the glasses
back in front of her eyes and absently slipped the wristband in the pocket
of her long black coat.  Ratz pushed the steaming mug towards her then
turned to another customer.  He glanced over his shoulder after a minute -
Bella sat hunched over her spiked coffee holding the mug tight with both hands.
He could have sworn he saw her trembling but shook his head and blamed the
lighting.
	Bella finished the coffee and pushed the mug away, "Just coffee,"
her voice a little less low and a little less rough.  "Who brought the
wristband in, Ratz?"   He nodded over at a man standing by the band
equipment.  "When he's through, tell him to come talk to me."  She
gestured to an empty booth then walked to it and sat down.

-----
Mechanics Guild and Belladonna are mine - don't use them without
permission or else...

Joan Shields
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Followup-To: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Keywords: hierachiy, power, prehistory, nit-picking
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:57:15 GMT

--
tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.) writes in
<22AUG199220412414@juliet.caltech.edu> that...
>  it is interesting to note that hunter-gatherer cultures are almost completely
>non-violent, probably due to the fact that there is nothing they have that
>is "hoardable" as implied by ....

Can we have some statistics, please? This is something I have heard
fairly often, but never with any hard data to back it up. Preferably
with incidence per head of population. If there are (think of a
number) 5 murders per 1000 per year in a population of 1 million,
that is a lot of bodies - but in a population of 20 it comes to
about 0.1 (look - no murders, a nonviolent society! :-)

But more generally, as regards the discussion about hierachies and
power - if you analyse a situation in terms of power, then you are bound to
find evidence of it (which tends to be my default state). But looking
at it from some other perspective, for example person-person
interaction (or something) you may never see it at all. If you use a ruler
you can only measure things in metres. If you had teeth of steel
you could eat iron coconuts. If ...

It seems to me that _what_ basis is most appropriate is the point
in question, not whether there is evidence of a particular system -
anarchy/ democracy/ hierarchy ... etc in history.

PS: Why _are_ we talking about the past in alt.cyberpunk?
-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mclement@access.digex.com (Matt Clement)
Subject: Red Box plans?!?!
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 05:34:24 GMT

Could someone please directe me to some red box plans?  Not the mod to a RS Dialer, nor the "tape recorder" version, but an actual, working, deditcated redbox?  Many thanks.

Please send replies to mclement@digex.com

Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 10:33:47 -0400 
From: Geoffrey Spear <gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gibson's world and Ours

True, Gibson's fiction was not a blueprint of the world today (nor was
it meant to be) --but it sure is a pretty good indication of what is
to come! 

	I have to disagree.  Although a LOT of former science fiction HAS come
true, there is a lot that hasn't.  Of course we concentrate on what DOES
happen, but I think a lot of what Gibson writes is unlikely to come true.

 We'll see in the future...
From: tripstr@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Todd Courtois)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Upcoming cyber gathering, SF
Summary: Multimedia bombardent cyber experience 10 Sept
Keywords: Hardcore cybertech gathering 10 September
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:18:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu




	A number of hardcore experimental cybertech groups will
	be gathering Thursday 10 September in downtown SF to present
	an interactive multimedia bombardment.  We will be experimenting
	with new special effects and interactive electronics which have
	never appeared anywhere before.  

	If you want to see how non-corporate cyberpunks are using technology
	to empower human expression, don't miss this event.

	Flyer follows.



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From: megazone@rivdell.UUCP (Megazoner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Why freedom of information must be garenteed!!! [sic]
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:53:45 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

Rclarcke@AC.DAL.CA sez:
> If you organize before the crash to replace the system of government after
> the net is down then people won't stave.  People are already starving under
>  this system!  I am wondering though, do you support the status quoe just 
> because a few rich people would run out of BMWs?

 Ah...whose system of government will you be imposing? Socialism? Some 
sort of pseudoneo-communistic "the workers get Internet for free" kinda 
thing?
 I do not support the status quo, but I don't want some things to change, 
like the ability to roam globally over the net. The fact that the BMW 
popluation would drop fails to bother me, but I would not be able to FTP 
and find some more raytracers; that bugs me.

 Simply put, don't target the net as some revolutionary aim...bring the 
net so others, such as your poor, misguided trampled underclass 
proletariat...make things so that the average schmo can have some sort of 
terminal, for free or a nominal fee...matters not.
 Taking away an information source in the name of freedom of information 
sounds kinda strange.

> > --
> > Charles Murtaugh
> Yes, I know I can't spell
> Rclarke@AC.DAL.CA

  MI

--
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From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: How is cyberpunk defined?
Date:  1 Sep 92 14:39:05 GMT

From: <NSTEVEN@ESTEC.BITNET>
>What is the official definition (if indeed one exists) of cyberpunk, and how wo
>uld I know that I am living a cyberpunk lifestyle.
>
>My impression is that cyberpunk types are into films like 'Blade Runner' and 'E
>scape From New York' and have their walls plastered with H.R. Giger prints, but
> this is not really a definition.

"Cyberpunk lifestyle"?  That's quite an oxymoron...
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu (Vuyyuru Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: what is FAQ?
Reply-To: pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:06:17 GMT

OOPS! It should have been "first time" instead of just "first". Sorry for the typo.
My brain works faster than I type.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Butcher)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: alt.cyberpunk archives location...
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:59:28 GMT
Reply-To: o1dsh@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


Posted by me on behalf of David Heck.  Replies to o1dsh@vm1.cc.uakron.edu

--

If you could give me the ftp site address for the alt.cyber
punk archives.
I would be very grateful if you could point me in the right direction.

Sincerely,
David

David Heck
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From: Felix.Lafontaine@f23.n367.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Felix Lafontaine)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: test
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 22:38:00 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:367/23 - The Wall 1, Guaynabo PR

Lets see if you copy this test.



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