HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Twist Slowly, Slowly in the Wind
Summary: The ruling class hangs Bush out to dry
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:15:37 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

Anyone who doubts that the upper orders have pretty much
decided to have Clinton elected should check out the _Wall_
_Street_Journal_ of Friday, 10/9.  There's a long, very
detailed story about -- Iraqgate!  The kind of thing that,
only a few months ago, you could only hear about in the
commie press.  They're still a little bit uncomfortable
about it -- they put "Iraqgate" in quotes -- but it's all
there.  Lots and lots of it, especially the "I don't
remembers."

By the way, that's Page One, column one.  Premier real
estate on one of the most closely read front pages in
America.
-- 
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:51411 alt.politics.clinton:10107
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Raving a bit, aren't we?
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:53:27 EST
 <9550@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <1bcu8mINN78r@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1bcu8mINN78r@agate.berkeley.edu>, lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
> In article <9550@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>In <1b5fdcINN93v@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
> 
> I asked for the names of five pre-OSHA workplace safety groups
> which arose in the free market, and also

	Which is a red-herring, as I have pointed out.

>>>Below list what these groups did historically
>>>if manufacturers denied them access.
> 
>>I imagine that they did, or at least could have told the consumers that
>>company A was refusing to be inspected.  Anybody who cared was then free
>>to boycott company A.
> 
> I ask for an EXAMPLE, and I get "imagine". 100% armchair analysis. Sort
> of like academic Marxism at it very silliest. I did not ask what you
> imagined these groups did. I asked what their names were and just what
> they did, so that we could judge for ourselves whether they seemed to do
> a good job.

	OK Andy, if you are going to igore reality and stomp your foot, here
are five groups:

	AFL
	CIO
	IWW
	Teamsters
	USW
	...

> This continues to prove my point: Libertarianism as a philosophy is
> completely independent of reality.

	You've got it backwards.  Libertarianism is real, you are a figment of
philosophical reasoning.

Brett                                                      
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:50543 alt.politics.clinton:9373
From: saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:41:56 GMT
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development


>Eric Sieferman) writes:
>|> In article <56.X666X@ramona.com> doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes:
>|> >Washington, DC (AP) - Mary Matalin, designated Bush campaign attack-bitch,
>|> >followed up recent charges related to Democratic presidential candidate Bill
>|> >Clinton's secret meetings in Moscow with high-ranking officers of the KGB by
>|> >demanding to know why Clinton has no alibi for November 22, 1963, the date
>|> >of President Kennedy's assassination. Asked Matalin, "why won't Bill Clinton
>|> >come clean with the American people?"
>|> 
>|> Wow!  Good question!  Come to think of it:  Bill Clinton,
>|> where were you on July 30, 1976, the day my stereo 
>|> was stolen?  Come Clean!!
>|> 

What about if Bill Clinton is actually Elvis? Didn't Elvis just "die" about 
15 years ago? Could it be that he has been in hiding in Arkansas for all
these years? The possibilities are endless, I wouldn't limit myself to the 
Soviet KGB-story only.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:51868 ca.politics:8682
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Ah Yes, The Gay Community Has Changed Its Behavior! :-)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:43:36 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From soc.motss, of course:

In article <thaaang.718870318@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
> >thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
# ##(and I just got the AIDS test back and it was negative! Yay!
# ##The last one hadn't been half this stressful, but then that was for
# ##*one* encounter *2* years before I took the test, whereas this one
# ##was for *11* or *12*).
# 
# #Are you trying to tell us you have had eleven or twelve unsafe
# #encounters that warrant getting tested?
# 
# Well, what's unsafe? Do you considered unprotected oral sex up to but
# not including orgasm to be safe? I'd *like* to... And anyway, how many
# people have not an ounce of fear in their hearts when waiting for their
# test results?
# --
# John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
# 
# 			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
# 		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!

It would of course, be simpler to not engage in Russian Roulette
with AIDS, but some people just can't handle the concept.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Subsidies for Roads and Cars in the USA
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:52:43 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: lip@s1.gov


In article <JMC.92Oct9002820@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
|> Isn't Loren Petrich ashamed of not living in Livermore within
|> bicycling distance of LLNL?  Then he wouldn't even need the BART
|> extension.

	As a matter of fact, I do live in Livermore, and I commute by
bus. LLNL is close enough for me to bike there, but it's a long bike
ride for me and I don't do it very often. BART is desirable to me for
getting to the rest of the Bay Area, such as UCB's library, and a BART
extension toward Livermore would mean that more of my trip is by BART
train instead of by bus. 

	And I don't think I find the prospect of two long drives every
day to be a very enjoyable one. I prefer forms of transit that allow
me to read as I go.

|> Doubtless he has some reason that seems good to him, but if his
|> side wins the debate over whether cars are cost-efficient, and
|> cost-efficiency becomes decisive over individual preference,
|> then he will have to explain to the "residence permit board"
|> why he doesn't want to live in Livermore.

	What is the "residence permit board"? Are you sure you haven't
been reading too much John Birch Society literature?

/Loren
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Subject: Re: Family leave farce (was a most pressing COncern)
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:58:31 GMT

In <9565@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:

>BTW, Germany may be an exporting super power, though this
>seems to be changing, by all standard measures the US has a higher 
>standard of living.

Umm, can you elaborate?  Let's see how the U.S. stacks up vs. Germany in living
quality by some standard measures:

Health:
	U.S. has higher health-care costs and a less effective health care
	system (Amnesty International).

Freedom from economically mandatory servitude:
	The U.S. has shorter vacations (two weeks vs. 4-8 weeks - both
        NOT including religious/state holidays).

Work week length:
	U.S. has a longer work week, with professionals typically
	averaging 50-90 hours/week in the U.S. and 35 in Germany.
	(New York Times)

Maternity leave:
	No paid or unpaid time off in the U.S. for maternity leave.  Fourteen
	weeks in Germany ("Family Values", HEH!).

Salary:
	U.S. blue and white collar, non-managerial, workers are paid less
	and taxed MORE than their German equivalents.  (Today's WSJ)
	Hourly labor costs in the U.S. are among the lowest in the
	world.

Note that the above is true for most other European nations vs. the U.S.

What are your "standard" measures?  Our standard of living is a lot closer
to Mexico's than it is to Germany's.

greg
--
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Data Parallel Systems Incorporated   greg@dpsi.com (For MX mailers only!)
Bloomington, IN			     greg@indiana.edu (For the others)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: Cable Regulation and Constitutionality
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:27:57 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct8.220855.28400@athena.mit.edu>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
|> 
|> In article <DC4-P=A@engin.umich.edu>, 
|> jwh@citi.umich.edu (James W. Howe) said:
|> 
|> > The bill included an interesting section on rebroadcast but then
|> > ruined the notion by requiring cable companies to carry local
|> > stations (an idea which has been ruled unconstitutional).
|> 
|> Can you cite the case in which this occurred?  I'm not saying that it
|> didn't happen; rather, I'm genuinely curious as to the arguments made
|> and the court's reasoning.
|> 

Unfortunately I can't.  I believe the case was mentioned in an
editorial by Thomas Hazlett in the WSJ a week ago (or so).  The
ruling was made by a lower court (not the Supreme Court).


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Famous Republican Draft Dodgers
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:53:03 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:

>   Let's not hear anything more about Clinton's war record.

His war record is not the issue.  It's his absolute and complete failure to
level with the public on ANY issue.  He hems, he haws, he retracts, he
changes.

Face it, Clinton dodges the tough personal questions and then backfills like 
mad when caught at it.

 -Steve
--
  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
   adams@spss.com                                  Phone: (312) 329-3522
   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Why is Bush Soooo Slick?!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.052325.8511@nuscc.nus.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>
>Why does George Bush insist on being so slick?
>
>Why doesn't he simply come out and say:
   
     I don't have a clue, I don't have any principle, I will fire Darman, Brady,
Boskin and so on so forth because I am running out of people I can accuse. 



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: The Decline of America: "We're Number One" in Inequality
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:00:12 GMT

The Decline of America: "We're Number One" in Inequality


=======================================================
Percentage share of household income held by the poorest 40
            percent of the population, 1979-87:
=======================================================

			   PERCENT  
	       COUNTRY      SHARE   

	       Belgium        22
	       Japan          22
	       Sweden         21
	       Germany        20
	       Ireland        20
	       Netherlands    20

	       Italy          19
	       Norway         19
	       Spain          19
	       Canada         18
	       Finland        18
	       France         18

	       Denmark        17
	       Switzerland    17
	       United Kingdom 17

	       Australia      16
	       New Zealand    16
	       United States  16

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[Needless to say, the extra 25% in income between haveing 16% and
having 20% is much more substantial than the figures, "a few
percentage points apart" might initially convey; moreover, a 25%
increase/cut means quite a bit more to those living at poverty level
incomes most/all of whose income goes to food and other necessities -HB]
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Sources (for chart and text): UNICEF, The State of the World's Children
1991 (New York Oxford University Press, 1991), p. 103: The World Bank World
Development Report 1991 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1991), p. 263.


******************************************************************

		     ===========================
		     A   s e r i o u s   g a p .
		     ===========================

Americans are concerned about the inequality of wealth distribution in
the United States. When told that "over the past ten years, the income
of the poorest 20 percent of the families in the U.S. has gone down 9
percent, while the income of the richest 20 percent has gone up 19
percent," nine out often Americans respond that this is a serious
problem. Seven out of ten say it is very serious.

Source: The Harris Poll, April 15, 1990.

******************************************************************

From:

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  
_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New    
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro.   

New York, May 1992, Vintage Books, a division of Random House.   
$10 paperback. ISBN 0-679-73893-2  
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -   

    "America is becoming a land of private greed and public squalor.   
    This book is an indispensable road map through the wreckage. The   
    facts it reveals will startle you. They may depress you. But   
    ideally they'll fire you up to help rebuild this nation."   

                        -Robert B. Reich, author of The Work of Nations   


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: That Legal right over Gambit...
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:35:32 GMT

In <Bvw67z.Fw0@eis.calstate.edu> kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell):
>niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>> It may have been "wrong" to avoid getting drafted, but it wasn't
>> illegal.  The draft is unconstitutional, and thus it cannot be illegal
>> to avoid it.

>Wrong, wrong, WRONG. 

>The draft has NEVER been ruled "unconstitutional", and has survived EVERY
>such challenge. it's a typical liberal rhetorical lie to claim that
>anything they don't like is "unconstitutional". 

Oh, but you see -- I was reading the Constitution, not some judicial
decisions.  

It's a typical conservative statist who ignores the constitution and 
lets activist judges write their own philosophies into law when it suits 
their purposes.  :)

Seriously, though.  It's one thing to read between the lines and add to
what the Constitution says, but to directly ignore the text?

Let's try this again.

Amendment XIII:
Neither slavery NOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, except as punishment for crime
whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

(emphasis added)

>Now, some means of avoiding the draft are legal. I, for example, avoided
>being drafted and sent to Viet Nam by the simple expedient of enlisting in
>the Navy and spending those years in the Atlantic. Joining the National
>Guard or the Coast Guard are also legal. Lying to the draft board, and
>swearing to join the Arkansas ROTC (and then welching on the promise!) are
>NOT legal, and show incredibly poor judgment for a man who only wanted to
>"maintain his political viability". 

He didn't *lie* to the draft board, unless you've got mind-reading
ability.  He said he was going to join ROTC, then changed his mind and
told them so.  No one has EVER suggested that what he did was illegal,
either.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
   princeton.edu     | Roland Hemond: SIGN BARRY BONDS!!!!!!!!
Vote Clinton/Gore '92.   Four more weeks!!!   		"Bloody urine"
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: PEROT'S "INFOMERCIAL" IS A HIT!
Date: 8 Oct 1992 04:46:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


   For those who didn't know, it looks like Perot did very well with his TV
program. An independe]t media survey has called the program a "home run"! It
rated second in the ratings and had around 16.5 million people watching it. I
was thinking about how good of a spot he picked because of many people in
places like bars having CBS on already for the game. Sure enough, our local
station went to a local bar and everybody seemed VERY impressed with the
thing. The normal TV ads start Thursday and part II to the 30 minute program is
on this Friday right before 20/20.
-- 
George Bush? He doesn't have a clue anymore. Bill Clinton? A slick smile and
a pandering style. Neither one is being realistic about what it is going to
take. The answer..........? ROSS FOR BOSS! VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT FOR PRESIDENT!
The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Am I unpatriotic?
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:16:24 GMT
	<1992Oct13.001239.16006@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
	<CINDY.92Oct13123610@solan10.solan.unit.no>
	<1992Oct13.135959.12301@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization

Joseph M. Knapp writes:
>@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>>Right.  If you are protesting a policy of a government - and that
>>government is not of the country you are living in - where do you go?
>>To that country's embassy, usually; ...
>>
>>In short:  If you march in front of an embassy with a sign saying
>>"STOP THE WAR!"  or "FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS", you are expressing
>>your opinion that that country should end a war it is involved in, or
>>free its political prisoners, or whatever.  It does not mean you
think
>>the country is evil, has no right to exist, or should be bombed
>>back into the stone age.
>
>Point taken, but for the record, the demonstration in question
consisted
>of the carrying of a coffin containing the names of servicemen killed
in
>Vietnam, along with many people carrying white crosses to the Embassy.
>On the steps outside the embassy, the names of the dead servicemen
were
>read in a very somber ceremony.

For the record as well:  This is the first time i've heard the
nature of the demonstration.

Although this is certainly more dramatic and attention getting
than the carrying-signs example i mentioned, the message is similar.
In this case, they were saying the policy of fighting the war was
responsible for the deaths of these men.  Probably the protesters 
were trying to give an impression that too many men had already
died, and it was time to stop.  That's not the same as saying the
US is an evil country, has no right to exist, etc.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: Quayle's a liar!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:05:11 GMT

In the debate, Quayle made reference to something in Al Gore's
book _Earth in the balance_. Quayle made reference to a proposal
on a specific page. CNN reported that there was nothing on that
page about whatever Quayle was refering to. 

Quayle also accused Gore of voting for some proposal which Gore
flat out denied. CNN also reported that Gore, did in fact, vote
against the bill.

Quayle and the Republicans are telling Clinton's campaign to
tell the truth?! They are saying that it's the Democrats that
wecan't trust?!
============================================================================
BRI FARENELL			    "If you choose not to decide, you still have
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU        made a choice."  --RUSH ("Free Will)
CLARKSON '95			 	   
A politically incorrect, pro-life, liberal, card-carrying member of the ACLU.
===========================================================================
CLINTON/GORE FOR PRESIDENT		DAVE ROBERTS FOR CONGRESS (NY-24TH)


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From: lanier@acpub.duke.edu (Dustin Lanier)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:17:36 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep28.024902.23519@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <Bv9LIx.qt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 
>varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>
>>	Well, for your information, (and I know this might shock you)
>>I am NOT the only person in the world who stands up for the right to
>>live. 
>
>I stand up for life too.   That's why when I look at the picture 
>on page 310 of The New Our Bodies, Ourselves and see the picture with 
>the caption:  "Woman dead on motel room floor.  Her death was due to
>an air embolism suffered during an illegal abortion," I want to cry.

too bad there isn't someone around to individually photograph the 1.4 
million abortions done in this country every year ... you my do more
than want to cry.
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From: csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,soc.singles,alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: A Most Pressing COncern
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:10:22 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Oct7.215715.12363@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>latarra@buhub.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
>]
>
>As has already been clearly Established,
>If there is NO POTENTIAL FOR GESTATION
>there can be NO SEX.
>

So, there is no such thing as homosexual sex.