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From: wung@ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Interracial Magazine
Reply-To: wung@ee.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:40:34 GMT


I know, not more stuff on this subject?!  But I just saw a magazine
at Oxford Books here in Atlanta.  It is called Interracial Magazine,
and it is for people who have interracial marriages or are contemplating 
it.  It has articles on how to handle difficult situations, in-laws, society
and other tips and support groups, although the emphasis is on caucasian and african-american relationships, I think some of the folks posting on this 
newsgroup would be interested in reading the periodical.  

Given the amount of postings on this subject here, the magazine may triple 
their subscription now.  8^) 8^) 8^)
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From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (carole e mah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:45:59 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <1992Dec16.184932.25150@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>,
lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) said:
>bisexuality is not really who you fuck or have fucked, it is also how
>you feel, sexually speaking (any comments Carole?).  Perhap I will
>decide to *explore* more about the homosexual side of myself.  Whatever
>happens in the future, I'll certainly not call myself straight.
>
>Dan
>
>PS:  This has taken a lot of courage from me to write.  Some of you

Not much to add, Dan. You said it.! Thanks for your honesty.
That is why racial qauestions, for me, are similar to the sexuality
questiosn.: It isnt abouit who you fuck. It is also about
how you feel. I love a lot of ppl of a lot of races and genders,
but that doesnt just mean sex or even dating.
  People get real hung up about interracial dating, bisexuality,
or whatever they get hung up about., but i mean come on, the picture
is bigger than that. happy holiday, thanks for posting, dan. :)
carole
--- Thelma and Louise in '92! ---
carole elaine mah
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From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Political Power--Please start crossposting
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:29:58 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Dec14.163430.2836@m5.harvard.edu> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
>In article <1gg9qcINN2rk@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>
>>I believe that AAs make up 3.0 percent of the US population, although there
>>is evidence to suggest that AAs were substantially undercounted in the 1990
>>Census.  There are 14 Cabinet and 12 additional top-level Executive Office
>>of the President posts.  We should expect an AA to fill a Cabinet post about
>>once every three presidential administrations, instead of, say, none yet....
>>
>>I won't disapprove of Clinton simply because he doesn't appoint an AA to
>>the cabinet.  But I hope you'll excuse me if I take his claim that his
>>cabinet "looks like America" with a hefty grain of salt.
>
>That's reasonable.  I think the problem starts at a lower level, however.
>Clinton is appointing people who have risen in the ranks in politics and
>government, which is sensible.  In order for there to be Asian-Americans
>in a high level position like the cabinet, there have to first be more Asian-
>Americans in lower levels of government....

IMO that's a good point.  I would suggest that Mr. Chin (and any other con-
cerned people who keep better track of politicians etc. than I do) email a
list of qualified, experienced Asian American politicians to Clinton's com-
puserve address.  I can think of only one (Sen. Daniel? Inouye of Hawaii (is
he still alive? active?), but if Mr. Chin believes that an Asian American
ought to be appointed to a cabinet position perhaps he knows of a few more
with appropriate qualifications.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: masahiro@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (Masahiro Kono)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:21:44 GMT
Keywords: Asian-Americans

georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:

>In article <1g6p2hINNq09@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:


>>No, I have a feeling greed is inherent in everything.... just can't get no
>>satisfaction (forgot who sang this...)

>     Devo.

Not to be nitpicky, but oh, what the hell..... Sure Devo sang it, but
the Stones sang it before Devo.

-Masahiro Kono (m-kono@uiuc.edu)
From: (defensio libertatis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: s.c.a.a. gatherings?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:55:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Hello all,

Was it this news group or another which had a 
social gathering a while back somewhere up in
the Berkeley hills?

If there was such a picnic, how did it go?

Sorry to the netters out in NY or IL;
I don't mean to exclude you...

-M. Aurelius Insularum

========================================================
I am not Arthur Hu. I am not Alan Hu. I am not Dwight Joe.
I am not Chris Chan. I am not Diana Choi. I am not Clare Chu.
I am not George Wu. (...) I'm M. Aurelius Insularum!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:20:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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Recently, a poster mentions that since her son, who is Half
Hispanic and Half Chinese (actually, might be Half Korean, 
don't remember correctly), will be going to school soon, that
she wants him to be bilingual, Spanish and English.  A
question came to mind, "What about Chinese?" (or Korean)

Which leads me to my main question.  To all the Asian Americans
out there, how much do you value your native (no...Asian) 
Language (ie, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, those spoken in India
(I'm not sure how to spell them), etc.etc.etc)?

From personal experience, I've known many ChineseAs who regret that
their parents didn't force them to learn Chinese (note, I didn't use
the word force by accident).  I've also known many who could care
less.  I myself right now am trying relearn the handful of Cantonese
I know.
So I ask you, what will you want for your children?  In the growing
interracial marriage scene, should we expect our children to learn
3 or 4 different languages (Spanish/English/Chinese trilingual in the
aforementioned poster's son's case).  (and lets keep this a friendly
debate :)
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From: (defensio libertatis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Fetish="Rice Queen" (was Re: Inter-rac
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:19:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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carole e mah writes:

>   So hhere's a real silly question for ya, marcus aurelius insularum:
> have you ever met a GEEKY gay asian male? I mean, i've met tons
> of geeky white gay men, and queeny, and butch, and you name it,
> and tons of geeky, and butch, and you name it straight asian and white
> men, but never a geeky asian gay man. what gives? maybe my sample is
> too small?

By "geeky" you mean socially awkward? I'd say I've seen roughly the same breakdown
of geeky-queeny-butch (or macho) men among asian gays in comparison to white gays.
Interestingly, black and latino gay guys I've come across always seem to fit either
the queeny (effeminate) or the macho description --rarely the geeky academic type. 

I know a couple of what one might call "geeky" gay asian males. I never dated them
as I prefer the "rough boy" breed. Both of these "geeky" guys are very nice, smart, have advanced degrees (i.e. business and elec. engineering [no pocket protector though]), and seemed more comfortable meeting people through political/career groups rather than swim parties or clubs. They also like science fiction/fantasy and television and are very frugal. (I guess that's why people find them geeky) 

Although I am not attracted physically to the kind of men they date, my geeky friends seem to have the most reliable partners and longest lasting relationships among my gay acquaintances.

-M. Aurelius Insularum

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Asian-male, nerd, geek, etc.
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:26:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.215142.15961@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.190037.13622@digi.lonestar.org> blee@digi.lonestar.org (Benjamin W. Lee) writes:
>
>>I am more curious on this subject. I've just got a son. I am going to raise
>>him here so he will become an American. Here is my question: (BTW, hope this
>
>     Yes, there's that barrier, but it's not there all the time.  It only
>manifests itself occasionally.  Your son will normally be able to conduct
>his life like any other American.  But every once in a while, the racism
>thing will come up, and then there's a ten foot wall between him and "them."
>Sometimes, it'll be explicit.  A passing car will scream "Go home, gook!"  A
>school bully will beat him up.  Other times, it's more subtle.  A subtle form
>of racism will occur, and he'll immediately label it as such.  His white
>colleagues (some of them, anyway), will immediately tell him "You're too
>sensitive.  Don't read so much into things."  Your son, though, having been
>on the receiving end himself, will *know* racism when he sees it.  He'll never
>get his friends to believe him, though, because their lifetime experiences
>just differ too much that they'll never believe him.
>

  Yeah like when they say stuff like "Oh don't worry dude, you're not like
  the rest of them."  And he's supposed to lap it up and take it as a
  compliment.  Even worse, he might not be sensitive at all and go around
  proclaiming proudly, "I'm not a typical Asian American male."  And he
  won't even *know* racism when it smacks him in the face, or kisses
  him on the lips.  And lives euphorically in Bananaramaland, looking down
  on those FOBs and making sure his English is perfect, so that no one
  will ever mistake him for one of *those*.

  Seriously when you say raise him as an American, you probably mean
  as a white American.  I suggest that you raise him multi-cultural
  because the 21st century is just around the corner, and it ain't
  gonna be the Wonderbread Years.  Latest census projections predict
  47% non Whites by the year 2050, with Asians making up 12% of the
  population and Hispanics over 21%.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Parental Responsabilities
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:01:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec14.135343.20019@bnr.ca> hvu@bcarh729.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Guna Goo Goo) writes:
>Facts:
opinion
>- Members of the majority in our society hold the balance of power.
the majority of the people hold blue collar and low white collar jobs
>- Members of the majority in our society are considered standard for beauty.
the majority of the people average a 5 on the scale of 1 to 10 in beauty.
That is the definition of "average" and "middle"
>- Children belonging to the majority have an 'easier' childhood:
Nobody is perfect. A very minor fraction of the population is near perfect.
The majority have SOMETHING out of place about them... ( their nose,
their hair, their limbs, their nationality, their accent, etc. )
>  They have an easier time finding friends.
I agree with this one. The average person feels comfortable with 
other average people. Nobody likes a perfect person. Many perfect 
near perfect people have been killed by other's jealousy.
>- Young adults belonging to the majority find better jobs
The majority of the population scored around 500/800 in SAT's
and have an average G.P.A. of 2.0 out of 4  ( "C" ). 
They get average jobs.
>- Young adults belonging to the majority will move into higher positions 
The average person will do mediocre in the battle for survival.
Only the most intelligent, creative, ambitious, motivated, richest
will attain the highest positions in this dog eat dog world.

>Hypothesis:
>- Adults belonging to the minority groups tend to seek to mate
>  with members of the majority in order to generate offsprings
>  with attributes of the majority. In so doing, they are
>  giving their offsprings an easier time to mature and a better
>  chance to succeed in life.
The average person would much rather marry an above average person.
>
>Some arguments heard:
>- Love should be the prime objective of coupling.
This is only a very recent (only this millenia) idea. Coupling
was to better people's lives, love came later.
>- Love will provide the best benefits for offsprings.
Love doesn't supply the US recommended daily allowence of vitamins.
>- Couples don't think about offsprings when they have relationships.
The girl worries about getting pregnant. The guy says "trust me".
Later, she becomes pregnant and the guy dumps her for a new girlfriend.
>- Define majority, minority blah blah blah
majority: any group of people greater than 50% of a population.

>So on and so on
and so forth
>

- jon


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:41:35 GMT

g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:
>I must say you got guts. I myself never thought about anything other than the 
>opposite sex when in comes to relations (sexual and/or emotional). You know that 
>by having thoughts about homosexuality/bisexuality you could easily become one. I'm 
>not saying it is bad nor good. I'm just saying that such a move can change your whole 
>perspective on life (having gay friends as references). 


Hmm, that's interesting.  Just by having thoughts about  homosexuality/bi
you could easily become one? How does this work? How about the other way around?
Can I become straight by having heterosexual thoughts?  I think not.  I do agree
that once you acknowledge and accept your feelings, instead of suppressing
them and denying them, then you will have a whole new perspective on life.
Life suddenly becomes a lot less stressful.
-- 
Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs
From: yuan1@husc10.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: racism on campus and off: the police.
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:09:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.100938.18511
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1gj6o2INN1du@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (carole e mah) writes:
>REcently on our campus there was a huge debate about whether
>or not to arm the campus police with guns.  People argued
>against it on the grounds that the police already harrass
>people of color, gays and lesbians, and anyone else who
>doesn't fit their image of a "good guy" enough as it is,
>without guns.  With guns, violence would only escalate,
>and some poor cambodian immigrant or some black teenager
>with an umbrella or something that LOOKED like a gun
>would get a bullet in the back just because he looked
>"suspicious" to the campus cop.

>  I Ask: What are racial relations like between Asian-Americans
>and the police on your campus (if you are a student, as most
>people seem to be)?  If a white student were to
>beat up an Asian-American student because he hated asians,
>and the crime was provably racially motivated, what kind of a
>punishment could he expect to receive?

Here at Harvard, University police officers are armed, while
security guards are not.  Although there have been some accusations
of police harassment towards African-American students in the
past, I would say relations between students and police are
generally good.  There certainly hasn't been an escalation in
tension due to the arming of campus police, though the police
have been armed for many many years.

I have not seen any signs of tension between Asian-American 
students and police here.  This may be due in part to the large
percentage of AA students (approx. 20%, I believe), both on
campus and in the City of Cambridge (also home to MIT, with an
even higher percentage of AA students).  We have had a few
anti-Asian(-American) incidents, but they were relatively minor
(crank calls committed by someone from outside Harvard, and
graffiti on a bulletin board) and were quickly condemned and
dealt with.  Frankly, your depiction of the insensitivity of
the Brown campus police surprises me; were you describing 
actual incidents?

-nhy



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Asian cliques.  Why?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:28:09 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.065201.8195@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.025126.22261@hspice.portal.com>
>georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>>     Here at Meta, we're trying to fill a position with a particular set of
>>qualifications.  (If you're a headhunter, sorry, we don't need your services.)
>>I started calling people who I know are qualified,especially those who I know
>>are also looking to leave my old employer.  This means an unusual fraction of
>>candidates I refer will be Asian or Asian-American. It's the same thing. My
>>social circles include alot of professional aquaintances.  My social circles
>>include alot of Asian-Americans.
>>
>>     Sounds alot like the old boy network in reverse now, doesn't it?
>
>Interesting standard.  According to many Chinese-cu people, the "old
>boy network" is bad if that network is White but is good if that
>network is full of non-Whites--specifically Chinese-ge.  Interesting.

I really don't think he intended it that way.  It is more a comment on human
nature, that is, people tend to look out for the group they identify with. 
This is a natural result from the fact that human beings are gregarious (sp?)
creatures.  George Wu wasn't passing judgement, just bringing up a point and leaving
the reader to judge.

My judgement:  Makes sense.  In an ideal world, no one would put adjectives
in front of "American" to describe themselves.  All Americans would identify
with all their fellow Americans.  But this is not an ideal world.  That is why 
governments exist.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian Angst
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:09:12 CST
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

I'm disturbed the recent increased frequency of discussions on inter-racial 
relationships.  All this attention paid to the subject reveals a embarrasing 
amount of angst about our own self-image as 'attractive' people.  Some 
discussions on this topic are enlightening and helpful; but there comes a 
point where we should stop trying analyze who were dating, why we were 
dating who were dating, and why we can't date who we want to date.  Let's 
forget about the percentages and find the best person for us, regardless of 
race.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@samichlaus (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:25:20 GMT
Keywords: Asian-Americans

In article <berthiau.724358901@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan) Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
>
>It's also interesting to
>note that the Hong Kong students seem to really keep to themselves
>and not really associate a whole lot with the other students (at 
>least at BU's College of Engineering I saw this).  But I got to know
>people from most cliques.
>

I had similar experience but it was in H.S.  I noticed quite a few KA
students tended to issolate themselves from the rest of the crowd.  I
got to know many of them since we had classes together.  I became pretty
close friends to them but during senior year, none of these friends were
going to the prom.  I was trying hard to get them (and everyone else) to go
 (my calculus
teacher said she would go if at least half of the class was going.
There were a lot of KA friends in my calculas class).  Anyway I later
found out that there was a separate prom for all the KA students.  Oh
well I guess it would be costly to go to two proms.

Dan

(btw, guess who our calculus teacher (whte) 'date was for the prom  --- our
favorite JA geometry teacher Mr. Yamagiwa ... H.S was a lot of fun ... )


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