From: jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nevoieur the Hunted)
Subject: Re: What's with the HOSTILITY? (My first flame-war!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:41:23 GMT

phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase) writes:

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> So sorry John. I guess you "Disney Fags"
>just can't handle anything but "I love EVERYTHING Disney has ever done!"
>to be posted in this newsgroup. I have strong opinions
>about the marketing path that Disney is taking, and how it is affecting
>thier
> films, but some of you can't even handle a criticism of any Disney product.
>No offense to the open-minded and discerning Disney fans who have written
>me.

> Am I upset that they are marketing Aladdin for veery cent they can?
>No, not for them trying to make money off a popular production. But it has
>been pushed over the edge of healthy practice, by the success of The Little
>Mermaid. Now disney films are not written and animated and compsoed simply
>with the notion of making the finest film possible, Disney breeds films
>that are sure to create pop-culture icons of merchandising dollars.
>   And I think Aladdin shows the path that Disney films will take.
>I have always had great respect for Disneys animated films, but Aladdin
>has lowered my respect to only slightly above thier hideous, low quality
>as a rule of thumb, modern liveractions trash like Pretty Woman,
>Newsies, and the Mighty Ducks and Rocketeer.
> Every inch and facet of Aladdin reaks of the shameless commercialism it was
>concieved under. The music, the marketing, the film, it is a MTV era, teen
>spirit
>shoddy attempt at making money. The whole film was desigend to be an ad.
> Aladdin, unfortunately, comes across to me as a 2 hour commerical!
>It has affected the quality of the film immensely. Nuff said.
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>                       phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
>
Phase.

You have every right to your opinion.  I will NOT 'flame' you simply because
you pose a different point of view.  I am sorry you have such an opinion of
Aladdin and now of Disney.  Did you at least enjoy yourself while watching 
the movie or did the overt commercialism prove overly distracting?

I MUST, however, respond to your use of language.  Why on earth label all of 
us 'Disney Fags'?  If you are making a reference to the term 'fag hag' then
you are wrong, because a 'fag hag' is stereotypically a heterosexual female whose
primary companions are homosexual males.  I SERIOUSLY doubt that all or even the 
majority of readers of this board fall into that category.  Perhaps you are 
refering to the great many people who work for Disney that are homosexual?
Well, once again, that does not fit the people on the board.  (Though I'll
bet a few read this.)  Actually, why do you use the term 'fag' at all?  We
are neither cigarettes nor bundles of wood.

Your postings are your opinoin.  Perhaps next time you will confine your
posting to simply your opinion and not include epiteths that are demeaning
and downright rude.

I doubt that everyone on this board is SO in love with Disney that they do
not realize that the company has its flaws.  Aladdin is no perfect movie.
Neither is Beauty and the Beast, nor ANY other Disney (or otherwise) movie.

As a former cast member (current if you read this in March!) I have seen 
sides of Disney I hope no guest ever has a chance to encounter.  They are
not perfect.  I also have no fear in expressing my displeasure at Disney
and the Disney product.  Yet I firmly believe that Disney is acting, for 
the most part, as is should.  Disney produces a good product while maintaining
a healthy financial balance.  So Disney has faults.  Our task is to make
them aware of those faults.  If you are truly disappointed in a product,
write Disney.  They WILL reply.    I would not work for Disney if I didn't
love it, but Disney is not a storybook company.

I hope I have not offended you.  That is not my goal in this post.  I merely
wish to point out that for you to use offensive language is to partially
undermine your own arguements.  I also hope to point out that some of us also
have gripes and grieviences (sp?) with Disney.  However, I would hope that
perhaps we can air those in a more civil manner.

Julius Esclamado
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jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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julius@piked.agn.uiuc.edu

OAS AAS LLS

P.S. What's wrong with the MTV look, anyway?


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