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From: tintern@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason E Macierowski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace
Subject: BOOM BOX WANTED
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:28:42 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	I would like to buy a stereo with the following features:

	* dual cassette decks
	* CD player or input jack
	* microphone or mic input jack
	* anything else

	The only thing I really need is the dual cassette decks. I am 
considering almost any type of stereo under $150

thanx e-mail tintern@wpi.wpi.forsale
From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace
Subject: Body Count CD & Prince promo video for sale
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:32:41 GMT

Hi.  I've a couple of items that I'd like to sell.  They are the following:

Body Count "Body Count" CD
--Still sealed in plastic, unopened box
--Contains the infamous "Cop Killer" song
--I've no idea how much this is worth, so the person with the best offer will
  get it

Prince & The New Power Generation "Get Off" Promo Video
--TRT: 30:57
--M/NM condition
--I've no idea how much this is worth, so the person with the best offer will
  get it
  
E-mail ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu if interested.  Thanks.
--
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From: bssbb3rjc2@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace
Subject: WANTED : BASS SAXAPHONE
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:04:38 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

WANTED A BASS SAXAPHONE IN REASONABLE/GOOD CONDITION ...

PRICE NEGOTIATABLE

IF SELL PLEASE E-MAIL ME.


RICK
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From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Subject: CDs for sale (yet again)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:10:52 GMT

PLEASE, OH PLEASE BUY THESE FROM ME!!!!!! :)

Postage included, and (as always) all discs are in good conition ...

BEACH BOYS                       Christmas Album            $6
                                 In Concert (1973)          $7
                                 Beach Boys (1985)          $7
                                 Still Cruisin'             $6
JOHN COLTRANE                    Exotica                    $5
EVERLY BROTHERS                  All-Time Greatest Hits     $6
TODD RUNDGREN                    Nearly Human               $7

-- 
( David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu   )
( "I got a head full of ideas that're drivin' me insane"                    )
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From: mgraham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Malcolm Graham)
Subject: Steve "Silk" Hurley
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:37:16 GMT



Wanted:  CD of Steve "Silk" Hurley's album, _Work It Out--The compilation_
featuring vocals by Risse, Jackson and Moore, and Jamie Principle.  If
you're willing to part with a copy, contact me at mgraham@drew.drew.edu

--MgrahamA
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Pete Hartman
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:33:48 GMT


If you're not that Mike Breen, then Pete Ashdown Hates WHAM!













pretty likely if you ask me.
-- 
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                   between kneeling down and bending over...
From: erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (OSU 35 Syr 12 Go Bucks!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace
Subject: WaNtEd:  Tori Amos CDs
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:18:22 EST

Hello there.

I am looking for the following CD's used, if you have them:

Tori Amos = Artist

CD eps:  Silent all these years Part #1
         Silent all these years Part #2
	 
Email me if you are interested in selling or trading.

Thank you,
Scott
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Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
From: fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew H. Fields)
Subject: notation software
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:53:00 GMT

I just saw this, and thought it was appropriate to the "learning curve"
discussion regarding notation software.  The author is talking about
yacc ("yet another compiler compiler"), a parsing algorithm  for unix
platforms.

"Yacc ows much to a most stimulating collection of users, who have
goaded me beyond my inclination, and frequently beyond my ability in
their endless search for 'one more feature.'  Their irritating
unwillingness to learn how to do things my way has usually led to my
doing things their way; most of the time, they have been right."

--S.C. Johnson, Yacc Guide Acknowledgements

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From: fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew H. Fields)
Subject: Re: slurs and ties
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.213726.27317@zip.eecs.umich.edu> fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matt Fields and macintosh) writes:
>A TIE is an arc connecting exactly two noteheads for adjacent notes on
>the same pitch.  It means that the durations indicated by those notes
>are to be added, and the player should perform as if a single note
>were indicated with the composite duration.  This notation is needed
>to create durations that cross the barline, and it is helpful to show
>e.g. the middle of a bar when rhythm is complex; it is the only way to
>notate odd-length notes like a note 5 eighths long.

No, obviously, it's not the ONLY way.  You could make up your own
notation and describe it in a key or legend at the beginning of your
piece  (George Crumb uses quintuplets so often in Black Angels that he
has a special notation for a 5/16ths-note that he uses in that piece
only).  But ties are the only standard notation for, e.g. a 5/8ths
note, and if you want folks to sightread your score (and realistically
now, you do, since time is money!) you might consider sticking to
standard notation where possible.
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
Subject: Music software.
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:22:20 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept

I've got a 286 and Sound Blaster Pro.  The only software
that I've seen only accepts one note at a time through midi
input.  Is there any good software that you can play along
fairly fast and have it write out the music. ( Of course I'd
expect to have to go back over it and make revisions )  One that
can tell the difference between a quarter note and a full note
preferably. -- ??????????????????????????

badieid@prism.cs.orst.edu
Xref: sparky rec.music.compose:177 rec.music.beatles:4867
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose,rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: 'Happy Birthday To You'
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:27:40 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II) writes:

>	Mr. Paul McCartney of Beatles fame became quite the music copyright
>broker in the late 60's, as the Fab Four were falling apart.  He bought up
>the rights to Beatles stuff, as well as the rights to just about anything 
>else that was for sale.  When you're more popular than Jesus Christ, I guess
>you can also afford to spend more than He does, too.
>	So, as I heard/saw it, "Happy Birthday" was one of the tunes that
>Paul bought.

Paul McCartney's MPL Communications have purchased the rights to *many*
songs (including the Buddy Holly catalog, among others) but I have 
never heard that "Happy Birthday" was one of them. Does anyone else
have knowlege of this?

>	In the late 70's and early 80's, a music superstar by the name of 
>Michael Jackson started to buy and sell musical copyrights as well.  Most
>people are familiar with the fact that Paul and M.J. were buddies, and that
>M.J. ended up buying the rights to most Beatles tunes.  The world's richest
>entertainer is, IMHO, also one of the most unscrupulous - which is why we
>can enjoy "Revolution" in Nike commercials today.  (Of course, we also have
>to wonder what Paul was thinking when he sold all that stuff...)

Paul McCartney never *owned* the all that stuff! John and Paul signed away
the rights to Northern Songs early on, and Paul was negotiating with Yoko
(as John's estate) to buy the rights to the Maclen catalog when it was
bought out from under them by MJ. (Paul has since declared that there was
some kind of 'insider stuff/secret deal' between MJ and Yoko.)

>	I was made to understand that "Happy Birthday" was also purchased
>by Jackson from McCartney.  Furthermore, several restaurants were succesfully
>sued for copyright violations when their staffs would sing "Happy Birthday"
>to customers.  I personally have not heard "Happy Birthday" sung in a res-
>taurant by the staff for a couple of years.  Perhaps the word got around.

"Happy Birthday" *is* copyrighted material, and public performance without
permission/royalties *is* illegal. This is true regardless of *who* owns it.

Of course, MJ *does* own the rights to "Birthday".

But *not* "It's Johnny's Birthday"!

Now, before this group turns into rec.law.boring....

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew H. Fields)
Subject: Re: Music software.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:41:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.212220.6812@CS.ORST.EDU> @prism.cs.orst.edu writes:
>I've got a 286 and Sound Blaster Pro.  The only software
>that I've seen only accepts one note at a time through midi
>input.  Is there any good software that you can play along
>fairly fast and have it write out the music. ( Of course I'd
>expect to have to go back over it and make revisions )  One that
>can tell the difference between a quarter note and a full note
>preferably. -- ??????????????????????????

That'd be Finale (r).  I've been describing its shortcomings elsewhere,
but it does that fairly well.  But a 286 is the IBM equivalent of an
SE/30, i.e. a bit slow to be sure to capture everything.  You'd benefit
from an upgrade to 386 when you can afford it.  Or do yourself a favor
and get a mac ci.


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From: fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew H. Fields)
Subject: Re: Software (IBM) Needed...
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 12:05:03 GMT

In article <1akl59INN23c@bigboote.WPI.EDU> thethe@lagrange.WPI.EDU (Quincy Cabell) writes:
>I am in need of a program for music (on staff) writing on XXX platform.
>  Does anyone
>know about Midisoft Studios, Finale, etc.???  Or for that matter PD/shareware
>capable of doing the same thing.  
>
>I need to be able to place notes on a staff and print out like a musical score.
>It doesn't need to be too fancy, but the nicer the better, thanks (Soundblaster
>type output).  - thethe@wpi.wpi.edu
>
>(FTP sites would be very much appreciated, too...)

This is such a FAQ that perhaps we should once a week broadcast the following
message: Music notation software exists for IBM and Mac OS's and quite a few
other platforms.  It isn't smart, usually doesn't make notation that anyone
could perform from---unless you, the composer, manually override its defaults
note by note by note---and it's not user-friendly.  The only advantage the
field offers over manuscript is the potential to automate part extraction
from score, and even that's not implemented very well, yet, because there's
no program in which you can enter an orchestral score in conventional notation
in less than 10 times the time it would take to draw by hand, where part
extraction by hand usually only makes the process run 2 to 2-1/2 times longer.
Get Finale, if you must, or, if you never use articulation marks, durations
other than quarter notes and eighth notes, counterpoint and accidentals, get
MusicProse.  Maybe someone can report on the state of Mosaic--I've only seen
the unimpressive advert.  Command-line/programming language freaks might
actually not be put off by Notator or Score, in which you have to translate
the music in your head into an ascii-string description, type that in, and
hope the program translates it into the notation for the correct music.  Then
you fine-tune things by adjusting code numbers for the contents of various
FORTRAN arrays, and sometimes just certain digits of these numbers.

The world is ready for a notation program that can fairly-readily produce
decent, sightreadable notation.  In the meanwhile, composers who aren't
willing to set aside all their time to be programmers might prefer to master
pen-and-vellum technique.

-Dr. Matthew H. Fields


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From: fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew H. Fields)
Subject: Re: forte/piano
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:26:57 GMT

In article <basinski-250992154038@lully.biosci.arizona.edu> basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski) writes:
>   I chuckled over this...especially because of the saxophone...it would
>never be called "high-low" because it *can't* play softly...I recently

well, with difficulty, and mainly in the middle register, i.e. the top half
of the staff, but not much out of the staff.  But players would dispute
this, of course.

>arranged a
>performance of the Villa-Lobos "Mystical Sextet"  (Guitar,Harp,Celeste,
>Flute,Oboe, & Alto Sax) and the poor sax player had to really hold way back
>the whole time in order to prevent the piece from becoming a sax concerto.
>Sigh - it's a lovely piece, but you have to wonder what Villa-Lobos was
>thinking to pick these instruments (especially guitar - in many places I
>had to play as loud as possible to reach the edge of audibility with all
>the
>other racket going on...).

Well, electric guitar would help balancewise, though I doubt Uncle Hector
had that in mind.  But my guess is he thought of the sax as sort of like
the clarinet---but it has a much wider bore at the bell and rings like
crazy in its extreme registers.
If you left out the sax, you'd have a similar ensemble to some of the
Schoenberg serenades or the Takemitsu Water Ways or the Boulez
Hammer without master.  All mellow sounds.
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
Subject: Re: Scoring
From: etishkoff@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:58:52 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

After seeing a number of requests for info about notation software and the 
coresponding answers, I feel compelled to throw my two cents as well.  As I
was putting together my (IBM based) MIDI studio I also wrestled with the
problem of notation software.  After using my equipment for several months
without a notation package, it dawned on me that I really didn't need one
anyway.  I use Cakewalk (sequencer) and since all my music is composed for
synthesizer, there is simply no need to score it.  It's possible that I may 
need to score music at some point.  In that event, there are several
possibilities:
1. Score by hand (my writing is, though, is practically illegible).
2. Use an inexpensive notation package to translate Cakewalk files into 
notation.  Unless you are writing contemporary art music, you really don't
need all the bells and whistles of the expensive packages.  You might enter
just the basics by computer (pitch, text... and fill in the rest by hand
(including slurs).
3. Get a good notation package like Finale.  I have a number of friends 
who use Finale and are very happy with it.  It is definitely not as simple
or efficient to use as one would hope.  If you go into it, though, with
the understanding that there is a significant learnimg curve involved, 
you will likely have a good experience.
4. Pay someone else to do it.  If you need something that really looks
professional, there are plenty of composition, theory and instrumental music
students who are whizes with notation software and who do scoring as a 
business.  For a working copy you could follow choice 1 or 2 above.  If time
is a factor or you are just too impatient to learn the intracies of a 
complicated (and at times frustrating) notation package, find someone who
already knows all the ins and outs.

I think it is too easy to accuse sofware writers of being lazy.  Scoring is
an extremely complex task with more exceptions than rules.  Imagine that all
those exceptions were loaded into your notation package.  These programs
are already big (and slow).  Would like to wait 15 seconds everytime you 
enter a single pitch while the software searches through its exceptions
 list?  Pencil and stencil work faster than that. 
 don't all the bells and whistles of the expensive packages.
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
From: bil@cmn16.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Subject: Re: Scoring software gripes [beaming]
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:24:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.224649.16107@husc3.harvard.edu>  
elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies) writes:
> Is it too much to ask that all three should be specificable?

cmn (cmn.tar.Z from ccrma-ftp) beams the original (8 32 16 32) 
pattern correctly, and it is easy to add explicit beaming
choices -- I'll add this to the examples.

By the way, why did RightBrain choose the name "Score" for
their new notation program -- this seems deliberately confusing.
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
From: cmclark@dri.com (Chip Clark)
Subject: Re: Equipment to compose with.
Reply-To: cmclark@drivax.mry.novell.com
Organization: Desktop Systems Group/Novell, Monterey CA/USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:03:06 GMT


]So, anyway what kind of setups are the rest of you using?  Banging it out on
]the piano like me?  Or do you have a "better" setup?  (Wouldn't it be nice
]to have a full choir at your desposal to play with???)  :-)

I use a program called SongWrite (version 5 although 6 is out).  It allows me
the opportunity to record from my MIDI interface using a Yamaha keyboard and
the Music Quest card.  I can record a line or a staff at a time and compile 
them together to make full scores.  By recording section by section, I can
also create different phrazes of the same line and edit them together at 
will.  This setup has allowed me to write my first musical.

After writing, I got some friends together (20 actors and musicians) and 
performed a read thru (or will Oct 4th).  This allows me the chance to 
see it in action where the computer only gave me a simulation of what I
had written.  I don't play the piano and have little formal education (two
years of college music theory and 10 years of the trombone) so I am not
a good judge of what well written music is, but so far the musical has been
well received and several producers are looking at it next spring. 

Hope this helps,


Chip                *     Come, woo me, woo me; for now I am in a holiday 
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From: Jeff_Lloyd.wgc1:rx.xerox.com (Jeff Lloyd)
Subject: SMDL - X3V1.8M/SD-7
Reply-To: Jeff_Lloyd.wgc1:rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:48:28 GMT

Hi,

I'm look for the latest specifications for the following standard.

              Standard Musical Description Language
                          X3V1.8M/SD-7

The latest version if have is "Jun 16 1988". Does anyone know where I
could obtain the latest version? If fact is anyone using this standard?

I am currently developing software and I would like to check this to see
if it is of any use.

So, if you know how/where to obtain this, or, are using it, or know anything
about it's development since June 1988 please let me know.

All information greatfully accepted.

Regards
Jeff

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From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
Subject: Re: forte/piano
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:00:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.compose
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

> Too many people . . . have never cultivated the quiet end of it's
> dynamics. 

	I'm certain this is true of many instruments, not just sax. Actually the
alto player I had in the Villa-Lobos piece did a fine job, but I suspect
that there are few pieces which really require players to "cultivate the
skill" of beautiful *very* quiet playing - I think of that gorgeous solo
clarinet movement from Messaen's "Quatuor pour le fin de temps" (the abyss
of the birds?)..really wonderful, but very demanding of the clarinet
player;
another example might be hearing a really fine singer who can control the
beauty and pitch of their voice at pp...(this month's favorite example is
the sommeil from Atys - beautiful work by the haute-contres on the
recording
by "Les Arts Florrissants", and also on their live performance at BAM last
March...)
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From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.compose
Subject: Re: Music notation software?
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:33:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department

Take a look at the program called "Notator" from c-lab,
which is running on atari st computers.

This really accepts playing->scoring,
swing quantizations, etc, etc.

john
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