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From: dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: ALWAYS REMEMBER (was: Re: Guy Fawkes night)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<19skofINNt27@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM><Bv3Gur.2y0@news.fai.com>
	<NIKOLAY.92Sep28200714@husc10.harvard.edu>
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:17:13

nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
> There's a poem (song?) about the old saboteur, which begins:
> 'Always remember the 5th of November...' Does anyone remember
> the rest of it, or know any details about it?

	Please to remember
	The Fifth of November,
	  Gunpowder treason and plot;
	We know no reason
	Why gunpowder treason
	  Should ever be forgot.

From an anonymous broadsheet of 1826, but the first three lines date back
to the 17th century.

Note the U.S. retains the archaic version of the last word: "forgotten".
--
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Four more months!  Four more months!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Organization: sgi
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:40:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.124257.24063@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
|> >Which leads to an interesting question.   Why do leftists
|> >have this strange relationship with coal?   What's so great
|> >about condemning yet another generation of other people's
|> >children to a lifetime in a dirty and dangerous environment,
|> >where they don't even have the satisfaction of working for
|> >an efficient and profitable industry.
|> 
|> Well, rightists of the old school would know. National
|> security. With our own coal, we're not at the mercy of whoever
|> it is we rely on for the stuff. Facing up to Arthur Scargill
|> was one thing. Facing up to a Polish or South African version
|> of Mr.Scargill would be another.

National security?   Jeepers, kid, we're talking about using
foreign coal when it's cheap, not digging up the British stuff
and tossing it into the sea.

If you really think that British coal is so wonderful, then 
leave the stuff in the ground.   It's not going to go bad, and
if the Victorians could get at it with their technology, I'm
sure our grandchildren will be able to.

|> Oh yes. If the entire British workforce were kept employed
|> selling imports to each other, or selling each others houses,
|> we'd get by, wouldn't we? The curent recession has been brought
|> about because we've just discovered we wouldn't.

You talk in gobbledegook, as usual.   There's a recession
for several reasons, one being the consumers' reluctance to
take on further debt, another being the fall in housing
assets' prices, and a third being an over-priced Pound slowing
export growth.    There have been booms before, and recessions
before.   Every time there's a recession, leftists say "See,
there are people out of work, the system's bust" and every time
there's a boom, leftists say "See, some people are getting rich
faster than others, the system's broke".

jon.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13199 talk.religion.misc:17386
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Challenge to DSY: where's the beef? (was Re: In response to Jon
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:38:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Sep29.193818.11704
Organization: :noitazinagrO
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Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
: 
: - DSY writes a lot of things with which I disagree: see the blow-by-blow
: - account below. But here at the top I'll put a simple request to DSY:
: -
: - Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
: 
:   I accept your challenge!!  I will post a HUGE amount of information
: point-by-point, 100%.
: 
Dave, nobody doubts your ability to post information.  Rather we worry
about your ability to do it in a way that makes sense to human beings.
I suggest you concentrate on quality rather than quantity.

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From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:25:57 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Sep30.115333.817@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
|> >Ditto for similar German newspapers.  Bild ran the
|> >headline "SUPERMARK" with such comments in the article
|> >as "Mark storms off battlefield victorious over
|> >pound and lira".
|> 
|> Is this the article that went on about how cheaply Germans
|> could buy things from the rest of Europe? Good, that will
|> improve the balance of trade situation, at least it would do
|> for Britain if our industries hadn't been allowed to get so run
|> down that there's nothing left which we make for the Germans to
|> buy.

Honestly, you would be far more credible if you didn't 
overstate your case so absurdly.

If this were true, why would BMW want to be in partnership
with R.R. to make aero engines.   Why would Taiwan Aerospace
want to be in on BAe's aircraft manufacturing.   How could
the UK export as much as it does, and how could there be so
many UK companies in the top hundred world-wide if there
is nothing left?

jon. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: :noitazinagrO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:10:53 GMT

Matthew Huntbach (mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
: The reform was instituted by neither Harold Wilson nor Shirley
: Williams. The standard pattern of education as set up in the
: 1940 was that children were tested at the age of 11, the top
: 20% or so going off to "grammar schools", the rest to
: "secondary modern schools".

Or, as at my school, the rest of the rest went literally nowhere.
The dumping ground for those who failed even the sec. mod. standard
was just upstairs from us in the same building.  At least the borderline
grammar/sec. mod. cases got a second chance at age 16 to try their luck
in sixth form.  Borderline fails for sec. mod. might as well have been
issued with hods there and then.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:08:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.111536.27169@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org writes:
|>	I've
|> 	been identified as an Australian, a New Zealander and even a
|> 	South Efriken.

We probably all have (those English among us who have lived in the US a few
years, that is).  It may have something to do with the mid-Atlantic accent
we tend to pick up: neither one thing nor the other.

Napoleon called us a nation of grocers.  That was regarded as a mild insult
until Maggie came on the scene.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
114 more days of Bush Presidency!
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Penpal
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:52:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: zola.qncdv5o
Organization: sgi

In article <26546@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
|> In article <qmh65dk@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> =>
|> =>I think that some candidate for President in 1988 (was it Pat
|> =>Robertson?) boasted of having gone to Oxford and they dug up
|> =>that he'd actually spent six weeks there one Summer.
|> 
|> Are you sure you aren't thinking of Jeffrey Archer??

No, I don't think he qualifies to run for President.  He
wasn't born in the US, was he?

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mcsavaney_d@apollo.hp.com (#David McSavaney)
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:09:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep29.214033.1223@news.Hawaii.Edu> gerard@caliban.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gerard Fryer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.181734.4500@bnr.uk>, agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) asks:
>|> Can anyone think of a derogatory term used by other nations (that the
>|> British can understand to be insulted by it), to refer to the British
>|> (or in my case the English)?
>|> 
>|> I don't mean things like 'Limey' or (from a Scot) 'Englishman' :-)
>|> 
>
>In Malaysia the usual word was "John."  I found that offensive, but I
>don't think it was meant to be.
>-- 
>Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
>School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
>University of Hawaii at Manoa

So I guess I should have asked while I lived in Singapore - What does
"Roti John" mean? 
Remember, it looks like a hamburger sub,excuse 'merkunis(z)m, but
with mutton burger and chil(l)i sauce.
                                                             
Selamat datang

McSavaney (World Traveller, currently residing in 
           Boston for the second time)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: VNS: Tue  6-Oct-1992
Keywords: VNS,news
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:29:18 GMT


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    The Conservative Party conference starts today. Last night, Mr Major
    warned delegates that they would hear some "home truths" about the
    Maastricht treaty during todays debate on Europe. Economists are looking
    forward to Mr Lamonts speech on Thursday.

    There are reports that the Director of Public Prosecutions is
    considering criminal charges against some police officers in South Wales
    following a murder investigation in 1975. The two men convicted of a
    murder have since been acquitted.

    The Archibishop of Cantebury has written to the Times in which he spoke
    of the "faceless bureaucrats" who rule Britain. He also asked for
    Britains aid to third world countries not to be reduced.

    A British tourist has been shot and killed outside his hotel in Orlando,
    FLorida, just hours after arriving. He was trying to fight off two
    muggers.

    The entertainer Leslie Crowther, remains in a critical condition in
    hospital after an emergency operation yesterday. {for those who don't
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    entertainers during the early days of children's television in the UK in
    the 1960's. tfp}



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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13305 rec.arts.books:17295
From: spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Keywords: Ya canna say that on the telly!
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: venus.30SEP199218411016
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Chuck Smythe writes...
>A very effective way of selling Shakespeare (or other Lit) to the pubescent
>mind is to point out the racy bits. Cases in point;

[deletia]

>			Chuck Smythe

+----------------------------------SubG-------------------------------------+
I think the "raciest" bit of Shakespeare occurs in _The Twelfth Night_, when
Malovio is considering the possibility that a l*v* note that has come into
his possession is forged:


	MALVOLIO	By my life, this is my lady's hand. These be her
			very C's, her U's an' her T's and thus makes she
			her great P's. It is, in contempt of question,
			her hand.








Yours etc.,




SubGenius
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13194 talk.religion.misc:17371
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Challenge to DSY: where's the beef? (was Re: In response to Jon
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:45:25 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:

- DSY writes a lot of things with which I disagree: see the blow-by-blow
- account below. But here at the top I'll put a simple request to DSY:
-
- Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu

  I accept your challenge!!  I will post a HUGE amount of information
point-by-point, 100%.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:26:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I notice many British people use the word `sod' when refering to someone.
It's seems to be used negatively.  What is a sod?  What does it mean?
When would you refer to someone as a sod?  And finally, what is a 
`cheeky sod'?

Thanks.
From: wendtr@newton.hartwick.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: London Penpal
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:00:19 -0500
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE

 I just got accepted into the London Semester at London Polytechnic through
Beaver College. I will be in London from early January to late June (possibly
later). It would be great to hear from some people in that area, and maybe
start a penpal thing going. Please respond or e- mail me at 
Wendtr@Hartwick.edu. I will be eternally grateful.

Thanks in advance,
Rachel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tonyg@spock.retix.com (Tony "Salty Dog" Goulding)
Subject: Runyards problem (Was: Help seeking flat in London)
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.145452.16618@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>>3.  What are the advantages/disadvantages to using a letting
>>    agency such as Runyards?  Are there any specific agencies
>                    ^^^^^^^^
>
>Andrew -- imagine the sleaziest street in College Station, and the sleaziest
>second hand car dealer/pawn shop in that street. Then you're at the Runyard's
>level. They're slumlords... There are probably 2,000,000 dwellings in London;
Can anyone offer some advice.  Runyards are still in posession of
approximately 2,500 quid of mine that they witheld from the rental
income under the guise 'tax reserves'.  I understand that with me
residing in the U.S., any tax liability on the property would land on
thier shoulders, hence the witholding.  
Anyway, they have supposedly kep this money stuffed inside a mattress
for the period without earning any interest on it, at least that's the
statement from their financial rep.  So, when I get my witholding back,
it will be mius interest.  Now I can't believe for one moment that this
money wasn't stored in an interest-bearing account somewhere, or used
for other money-making purposes.  Am I entitled to demand my money +
interest at some reasonable rate?

Thanks

-- 
Tony [All views expressed are mine - if anyone is to blame its me]
==================================================================
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind.  Or not to have a mind is
being very wasteful.  How true that is" Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:26:19 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Sep29.123615.1648@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> It is, of course, not new. In the days of my youth it was always so

The obsession with Shakespeare as National Icon dates really from the
Newboult report on English teaching.  It has a rose-tinted glow of
implying that teaching Shakespeare to the proles will stop them becoming
communists, or something.  If Shakespeare really is such a part of
British cultural life, why did it take until the early parts of this
century for many of the plays to be performed complete for the first
time since they were written?  Why is it that the study of English at
University level is a product of this Century?

Argue that Shakespeare is an essential part of education if you want,
but don't fall back on the idea that it was in the past.  It wasn't.
Educated men read Latin and Greek and studied the Greek tragedies.

ian
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: English teaching in the UK, Ireland?
Summary: Help wanted for English-teaching job in the UK or Ireland.
Keywords: teach, English, UK, Ireland
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:31:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Sep30.153147.2311
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor's degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who would be interested in teaching in the UK or
Ireland in 1993.  I have a TEFL diploma as well as experience in
teaching English to 2nd-language speakers in South Africa and ideally,
this is the kind of teaching I would like to do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to go about trying to
arrange such a job - either before I leave South Africa or on my arrival
in the British Isles.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS, Wed 30-Sep-1992
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:23:06 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <riaedwards.1.717995319@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> riaedwards@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (AUDREY EDWARDS) writes:
>... 'Purgery' is actually giving evidence which you know to be untrue.

I think purgery is giving a laxative, which may or may not be criminal. 
Perjury is giving false evidence.
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:22:50 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct5.160514.19528@nas.nasa.gov>, wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
> I wrote:
> 	> 
> 	Current research has now proved conclusively that Shakespeare's plays
> 	were written by a different person of the same name.
> 
> 
> Graham Walker writes:
> 
> 	It is not clear as to which "same name" you mean Shakespeare or Earl of
> 	Oxford? Please follow up.
> 

It is a curious fact that people who think that the Earl of Oxford wrote
Shakespeare's plays are called "Oxfordians" whereas people who study at
the Universtity of Oxford are called "Oxonians".

Just thought you ought to know.

Jason
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13080 soc.culture.celtic:6244
From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Getting some intelligent discussion going.
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:59:43 GMT
	<SMAILL.92Sep27162618@affric.aisb.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Sep27.163923.22808@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh

In article <1992Sep27.163923.22808@infodev.cam.ac.uk> ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:

Alan Smaill writes:
   >  Personally I think it's useful to have a larger
   > perspective.  The group has never been restricted to things celtic in
   > the purely language-related use of the term.

   I think a perspective that includes regular posts of Scottish football
   results and discussions of pre-Celtic Britons is too large!

I hope you're not suggesting a Scottish group withoot the fitba!

--
Alan Smaill,                       JANET: A.Smaill@uk.ac.ed             
Department of Artificial           ARPA:  A.Smaill%uk.ac.ed@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
       Intelligence,               UUCP:  ...!uknet!ed.ac.uk!A.Smaill
Edinburgh University.
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pardon my ignorance and such
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:54:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Oct5.093341.6901@aber.ac.uk>, dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff) writes:
[I write]
>>
>>{pre-emptive strike on}
>>
>>Can we just admit she's lead with her chin, and miss the friendly fire flame
>>fest out this year please.
>>
>Followups directed to soc.culture.turkish then is it ?
>
What can I say, the gift of prophecy, Nostradamous eat your heart out or was it
just deja vu, 9 killed wan't it?

 Trev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Keywords: Ya canna say that on the telly!
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:20:47 GMT

Chuck Smythe writes...

	A very effective way of selling Shakespeare (or other Lit) to
	the pubescent mind is to point out the racy bits. 



An English professor I had pointed out that the pound of flesh
nearest the heart didn't necessarily reside in the chest.





William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british