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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:13:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr15.201313.29441
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

In article <1992Apr15.104553.956@gacvx2.gac.edu> klund@guajillo.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.032109.20930@talon.ucs.orst.edu>  writes:
>> Laettner got his awards for two major reasons.  
>> 1. He plays for the team rated #1 all season--and Shaq got it last year.
>> You can bet many sportscasters felt less pressure to make Shaq POY 2  
>years
>> in a row.
>> 
>> 2. Laettner is white. The next NBA great white hope.
>
>Why????????  Why does everything have to come down to this?  After the  
>first reason I was expecting another well-founded statement, but instead  
>got this.  Is there really a driving need to reduce every situation to one  
>of racism?  I hate Laettner and Shaq is my favorite player, but I think  
>that Laettner deserved to be POY.  Not racist, just the facts.  Laettner  
>was the dominating player on the best team (it hurts to say that) in the  
>nation.  If LSU was #1, he would have been POY.  The race of the two  
>players doesn't make a difference.  Laettner would have deserved it even  
>if he was green.
>
>I'm not sure what is worse, the racism thread or the ignorant "<insert  
>hated team here> SUCKS!!" and "<insert beloved team here> RULES!!" thread.   
>Why don't we just try and stick to intelligent conversations/debates/  
>opinions, OK?
>
>Kevin L
>> 
>> Roy
>> luv u 2 dookies

No way did I mean to imply racism was involved. Rather that because Laettner
is white he gets more publicity than he would if he was just another good
black player. He happens to be one of the few good white players--so he gets
more press. That is not necessarily racism.
I think this is a legit point. The NBA worries about keeping the interest of 
white fans. If the league is all black will it be a viable league? These are
legit questions--and not necessarily racist.
Roy
ie the NBA is always particularly glad to see a potential white star come
along to provide a little more balance.
From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NC STATE: TWO-TIME NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:54:37 GMT
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa

From article <1992Apr16.000201.24657@ncsu.edu>, by bailey@sparc.ncsu.edu (thurl):
> jc6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jay S. Chun)
> 
>> Where the hell has NC ST been SINCE 1983?  Lucky Shits? And you and
>> Wittenberg weren't?  Where the hell was NC St in the 1990 NCAAs? Not in

> 11 ACC CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! WE WERE ACC CHAMPS IN 1987 AND REGULAR SEASON
> CHAMPS IN 1989.  WE WOULD KICK YOUR ASS ANYTIME!  WE SWEPT CAROLINA DURING
> THE REGULAR SEASON, AND DEFEATED WAKE FOREST, BOTH THE TEAMS THAT DUKE
> *LOST* TO!

	I can see you are very intillegent by your good use of the Caps lock
key, but to the subject.  I don't think you have any room to go shooting off
you mouth! What have you done lately??? ANd lately isn't 1987, within last
5 years.  I am somewhat impressed with your Reg. Season championship, to bad
it doesn't mean jack.
> BY THE WAY, COME TALK TO ME WHEN CARNEGIE MELLON HAS EVER BEEN IN A NCAA
> I BETTER NOT CATCH YOUR NASTY ASS ON CAMPUS OR I WILL WIPE IT OFF THE MAP!

Wow, now there is a good reason not to go to NC State.
> 
> GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT 
Go Hawks and the Big Ten.
> 
> Thurl (Bennie's cousin)
-- 
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From: lhsux@cellar.uucp (Lorne Schachter)
Subject: Re: D00K R00LZ!!!!!!
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 11:11:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.110901.9567@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>
>But the greatest thing was those cool announcers on the TV said Dook was the
>first team to REPEAT in a long time!  But I didn't here who the last team to
>repeat was!  They must have been AWESOME too!!!
>
>So could anybody tell me who that team was???
>
>- TRENT LANGE!!!

The last team to repeat was awesome.  It was UCLA and they won SEVEN years
in a row.  Wooden went through three completely separate teams, from Alcindor
though Wicks-Rowe-Patterson to Walton, and they just kept rolling. From 1963
through 1974, there were 12 NCAA championships, UCLA won 10 of them.  Duke
has been in the Final Four for four years in a row, UCLA was in the Final
Four from 1966 through 1975, ten years in a row and only lost twice, to
NC State (David Thompson, et al.) in 1973 and to Indiana (Scott May, et. al)
in 1975.  The tournament may have been easier in those days because they
only had 25 or so teams, and only one from a conference, but it still is an
amaxing accomplishment.

					Lorne
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Dale Brown vs Father Of The Bride
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:20:25 GMT


Is anybody following the story of Shaquille's dad calling Dale Brown
``an untruthful man,'' and later apologizing?  Apparently Dale and Dad
have had different opinions on when to announce the Shaq's move to the
NBA, and whether or not Shaq has a contract with L.A. Gear, etc.

Tune in tomorrow...


--Gidi



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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: Duke-IU--the problem with basketball
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:40:39 GMT

00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>	I totally agree, the officiating was horible.  I am an IU fan, and am
>slightly biases, but I feel Duke got the wide majority of the calls throughout
>the tournament.  It was even more obvious in the IU game.  How many times has
>Indiana had four players foul out of one game this year? NONE, and the way
>they screwed Bailey was terrible.  Michigan got more of the same in the 
>championship game, although it seemed they were overmached anyway.  And as


I didn't see the IU game, but I thought the Championship game was pretty fair.
Michigan had 17 fouls and Duke had 13 fouls.  The difference of 4 between the
teams.  The four more fouls Michigan had can be taken into account as 
desperation fouls at the end.  So, the officiating in the Championship game
was fair.  Both teams got away with some fouls and both teams got caught with
a few.
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

--
   To those who do not know the PACK WILL BE BACK IN '93.  While Duke , FSU,
and UNC will probably occupy the top three in ACC, you better watch out.
State is getting Chris Kornegay and Tom fuller and a few others whose names
escape me now.  It is a highly ranked recruiting class and don't forget
Bryant Feggings who is back for two more years due to a knee injury that
made him redshirt this year.  The Freshman also have looked superb at the
end of the season and with last yaers experience and Les's coaching will
be tough to beat next year.  We may even go into the top three if we play 
our cards right.  Anyway I can't wait till next year.  Oh by the way
Congat's to Duke, I like your team now that the big *ssholes on your team
are leaving.  I really respect G. Hill and Hurley( even though he whines
:)).    

GO WOLFPACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOMINANT IN FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL IN '93!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAJOR BOWLS, AND NCAA TOURNEY, HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
"Greatness comes to those who wish to become Engineers..."

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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:48:00 GMT

Steve Williams writes:
>In rec.sport.basketball.college, bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
>>
>>                    ............  when police tried to deal with the
>>situation, Pat Knight began using abusive language (what a chip off the
>>old block!).
>
>It looks like some of Bobby Knight has rubbed off on Pat.  Would
>Bobby be proud of Pat's abusive language?  This leads us to the question: 
>why is Bobby doing the same thing himself?  Talk about being a role
>model...

Okay, Steve, here is a personal challenge: YOU try to get the attention
of a bunch of college athlets by yelling "well gosh golly shucky darn,
fellas! I'm so mad I could yell poop!" Well okay, granted you may get
their attention, but...

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"Hey look at the beak on that guy! Hey, who am I to talk?" - Crow,
MST3000
From: gunner1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:05:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <si6g0INNrse@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes:
>>"Don't be ridiculous.  You can't take something that a person never had in
>>the first place !  The simple fact is that Iowa has hardly ever had talent
>>on par with the Illini, yet they've been far far more consistent."
>
>The Hawkeye fan that wrote this should really do his homework first.
>IN the late 70's and early 80's, Iowa had better recruitments from Chicago
>than Illinois. Illinois Mr. BB like Michael Payne who went to IA would not
>even come to Champaign for a visit. Remember the twin towers and Payne and
>Stokes that flopped big in their tenure. The much highly-touted team of 87

Nonsense.  I was at Iowa at that time, and the only great recruits that
Lute ever had were Ronnie Lester and Michael Payne (and perhaps to some
extent Brad "Mr. Stiff" Lohaus).  There were a few others like Todd Berkenpas 
who was a Mr. Basketball in Iowa, but obviously was nowhere near the best
Big 10 guards - I mean face it, Mr. BB in Iowa is not the same as Mr. BB in 
Ill. or Michigan or Indiana !  As for Stokes, he was NOT that highly touted
coming out of Hamilton, OH; he really picked up steam in the latter part of
his sophomore year.  The twin towers you talk about were Steve Waite and
Steve Krafcisin - two 6'11'' SWGs.  Krafcisin was a transfer from UNC where
he couldn't get any PT and Waite's only claim to fame was that he had close to
a 4.0 GPA !
 

>with Gamble, Marble,....even the reserves were high-profile players team 
>that went no where. Several pre-season top-10s, one or more pre-season #1
>in SI and Sports. However, NO Big-10 champs, NO FF after st. Luke did that

OK, this I'll grant you.  Raveling had some fantastic recruits during his
short stay, but that doesn't mean jackshit as far as I'm concerned.  Uncle
George couldn't coach a fish to swim in the ocean.  As for your stuff about
no Big 10 titles and no FF appearances after 1980, pray tell me how many 
times did Illinois do the same ?  
 
>at 79(?). Very impressive in pre-seasons, but returned to normal afterwards.
    80
>Yes, they are very consistent--somewhat underachieve. Hopefully, that will
>change in the future as they are gradually getting less talents.

Davis DID do reasonably well with the talent he inherited from Raveling. One
appearance in the regional finals, and another in the last 16 aren't anything
to sneeze at.  Tell me about Illinois record other than that one FF appearance.
Iowa's losses in the last two tournaments have been to Duke - the eventual
champion. Their previous loss was to UNLV.  Not exactly Austin Peay if you
know what I mean...

--jr--
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie)
Subject: Re: Laettner Bashing....
Reply-To: bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie)
Organization: North Carolina State University SPARC Project
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:12:49 GMT

currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU writes:
>In article <2253@news.duke.edu>, alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
writes:
>>In article <1992Apr2.220916.21069@ncsu.edu> rpierre@fire.ncsu.edu
misquoted
>>and outright lied about what he fallaciously believed to be...
>>>The truth [] about Christian Laettner in a revealing article
>>     ^^^^^?????
>>>in the local rag (Raleigh News and Observer).

>You just don't get it do you, Alan? Alester, Bbolton, Bdamico, Rpierre,
and whom
>ever is next are all bogus, you are arguing with a joke. I thought
>everyone on the net realized it by now. Calm down there as someone on
>the net told me last summer watch your blood-pressure, it ain't worth
>getting bent out of shape. Actually it's sometimes funny.
>RC

And Currin was a short, white, no-playing bench warmer on the Wolfpack teams
of the late 70's...

Bennie (Avie's cousin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Keywords: K, Knight, UMASS!!, UK, UC, Tark, FSU, UM
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 01:13:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.183105.16423@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici) writes:
>In article <ktrloqINNggn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> larose@cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>>Who are the nominees for net "National Coach of the Year"?
>>
>>I'd have to step forward and propose these this list to start with.
>>IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
>>
>>1)  Coach K,           Duke 
>>2)  The General" Robert Montgomery Knight,  IU
>>3)  John Calipari      UMASS!!
>>4)  Rick Pitino,       Kentucky.
>>5)  Bob Huggins,       Cincinnati.
>>6)  Steve Fisher,      Michigan.
>>7)  Roy Williams,      Kansas.
>>8)  Pat Kennedy,       FSU.
>>9)  Jerry Tark, (NOT!) nowhere U.
>>10) OTHERS???
>>
>
>How about the coach of Tulane? His name escapes me at the moment.
>But, he has brough back the program from the death of those
>point shaving scandals.
>
>Pete
>

I'd add Mike Montgomery of Stanford, who lost four senior starters
after winning the NIT last year and still brought his team to the
NCAA's for only the third time in the school's history...


========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  There's no time    |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  like the pleasant  |
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Goober Award Nominee (was: Re: D00K R00LZ!!!!!!)
Keywords: Goober bait offered, taken
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:49:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO



lhsux@cellar.uucp (Lorne Schachter) writes:
>lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:

>>But I didn't here who the last team to repeat was!  They must have 
>>been AWESOME too!!!  So could anybody tell me who that team was???

Is the Goober of the Year Award 1992 Committee taking nominees?  Ol' Lorne
seems to be a prime candidate so far...  And, after some large amount of
previous postings on the subject(s), he still can't get his college hoops
history straight.  How can you really be taken seriously if you don't know
from whence you came?  Sheesh.

>The last team to repeat was awesome.  It was UCLA and they won SEVEN years
>in a row.  Wooden went through three completely separate teams, from Alcindor
>though Wicks-Rowe-Patterson to Walton, and they just kept rolling. From 1963
>through 1974, there were 12 NCAA championships, UCLA won 10 of them. 

UCLA won from 1967-1973, for their seven year reign (at least you got the 
players in the streak right).  They also won in 1964 and 1965 (think Walt
Hazzard and Gail Goodrich).  From 1964 to 1975, there were 12 NCAA titles,
UCLA won 10 of them.

>Duke has been in the Final Four for four years in a row, UCLA was in the Final
>Four from 1966 through 1975, ten years in a row and only lost twice, to
>NC State (David Thompson, et al.) in 1973 and to Indiana (Scott May, et. al)
>in 1975.

Texas Western (now UTEP) won it all in 1966, as has been mentioned here before.
UCLA lost in 1974 to NC State in the national semis, and *won* in 1975, beating
Kentucky, who had beaten Indiana (Scott May, et. al) in the regional finals, all
of which has been mentioned here before.

--
Rick Grubin           grubin@ncar.ucar.edu     ...!ncar!grubin
National Center for Atmospheric Research/Research Applications
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Pete Gillen to Villanova?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:57:18 GMT

jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead) writes:

> The local paper (Asbury Park Press, for you Springsteen fans)
> carried a small item to the effect that Villanova and Pete Gillen had
> met about Rollie's old job there.

> Anybody know more?

ESPN reported that Villanova made an offer to Gillen which was less than
what he now makes at Xavier.  He came back with a counter offer.  They
expect the two parties to work things out.


Mark



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From: mike@beyux.ecs.umass.edu (Michael Minotti)
Subject: Re: Carnesecca Resigns
Keywords: St. John's
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:52:00 GMT

I believe the player in question is Dexter Cambridge who Ithink is still
attending Texas.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: charles@sparc.ncsu.edu ("Lo")
Subject: DUKE CAN SUCK MY ...
Reply-To: charles@sparc.ncsu.edu ("Lo")
Organization: North Carolina State University SPARC Project
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:33:16 GMT

lobster@phy.duke.edu (Orin A. Day) WRITES:

* >PLUS, YOU SHOULD HAVE LOST TO KENTUCKY.  LUCKY SHITS!

* And State should have lost to Houston in '83?  Give it a rest.

Nope, we weren't down by 1 point with 2.1 seconds left...

Where the hell was Duke in the 1983 NCAAs?  That's right... they WEREN'T
there!!!

Where the hell was Duke in the 1990 NCAAs?  That's right...
THEY GOT THEIR ASS KICKED BY UNLV 103-73!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I better not catch your nasty ass on campus or I will wipe it off the map!

GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Lo"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Illini - crappy final four team
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:29:16 GMT
Summary: Next year - average

>From: dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough)
>Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
|> The final four team seemed like they were unbeatable, but they
|> played like crap and Lou let them play like crap.

>Excuse Me??????   How exactly does one have a Final Four team that 
>plays like crap????   They were certainly one of the best teams in the
>country that year and lost on a last second shot to the eventual 
>champions (Michigan) in the semi-final.  You may have a point on 
>some of the other years but not with that team.

Because that team was incredibly talented, more so than Michigan and
should have won it all. The only recent team that compares in talent
was the UNLV team with Augmon and Johnson and maybe Duke this year.

4 of those starters played in the NBA - 3 are still playing in the NBA 
and I believe were 1st or high 2nd round picks (Nick Anderson, Kendall
Gill, and Kenny Battle). Bardo is playing in the CBA currently.
Anderson and Gill are averaging nearly 20 pts. a game in the NBA.

Anybody who favorably compares next year's Illinois team with that one has
recently ingested a gunny sack of LSD. Next year Illinois will do no better
than 4th or 5th in the Big 10, which will be stronger than this year.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: martyp@caen.engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Steve Fisher: Good or Bad Coach?
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 02:18:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I want to know what everyone on the net thinks of Steve Fisher's 
coaching abilty? I am not completely sold on him being a great
coach. If you think he is a good/bad coach, then why?
Personally, I think he went to the Final Four twice because he
was blessed with talent, had lots of luck, and just let 'em
play. My grandma could have taken them to the Final Four
twice.....
From: jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Pete Gillen to Villanova?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:02:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

The local paper (Asbury Park Press, for you Springsteen fans)
carried a small item to the effect that Villanova and Pete Gillen had
met about Rollie's old job there.

Anybody know more?

For a while I thought maybe Syracuse could count on 1 or 2 more
conference wins per year now that Rollie has fled to greener pa$tures,
but Gillen seems like the kind of guy to continue punishing athletic
but under-prepared teams. Though after the Big East and NCAA tournament
performances,maybe we don't have Boeheim to kick around any more.

OK, so who were the NCAA chumps this year?

1. St. Lute and the boys.
2. St. Roy.
3. Billy the Kid.
4. In fact, the Big 8 in general.
5. Depaul (but who *didn't* predict this one?)

Jim Whitehead
"So what"
From: dwillar@hubcap.clemson.edu (David Willard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:42:24 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

In article <pilhofer.41@edit.mndly.umn.edu> pilhofer@edit.mndly.umn.edu (ARON PILHOFER) writes:
>
>And I guess Rantz wouldn't be so bad if he didn't start on those hokey 
>cliches. He actually said:
>
>With Jalen Rose on the foul line: "It's not the first time a Rose was on the 
>line for a Michigan team." GODDAMN!
>
>Pointed out this fun fact: "Coincidentally, all the fab five were born in 
>1973 -- the last year a team repeated as national champion!" Gosh! I if I 
>had known that before the tourny, I woulda picked Mich all the way.
>
>Feel free to add to this list; it is not comprehensive.
>

Who can forget:

  "Cherokee (Parks) has made a reservation in the title game..."

Even Packer moaned on that one.



-- 
David Willard                         | "It's like there's a party  
Dept. of Computer Science, Clemson U. |  in my mouth and everyone's
dwillar@hubcap.clemson.edu            |  invited!"                     
** FU ONE TIME! FU TWO TIMES!! FU THREE TIMES!!! FU ALL THE TIME !!!! **
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