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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Missing WIN32 SDK CD-ROMs?
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:02:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug20.014311.19020@njitgw.njit.edu> shah@eies2.njit.edu (Sanjeev Shah) writes:
>
>I recently purchased WIN32 SDK for NT with documentation.
>With it I received ONE CD-ROM (Preliminary Version July 92)
>and two boot diskettes (3.5" and 5.25").
>
>However I keep reading reviews in PC-WEEK where the reviewers
>talk about THREE (3) CD-ROMs worth 1.6 Gbytes.  What am I
>missing here?
>
>I also read about Windows in 17 language versions as part of
>the release but have not been able to locate it on my CD-ROM.

Attendees of the Win32 conference in San Fran in July received
more than just the Win32 SDK CD-Roms - the press is a little
muddled. You've got the correct number of cd-roms (ie one)

-- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: NT hang?
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:56:34 GMT

In article <1935237a@p4.f36.n245.z2.fidonet.org> Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de (Norbert Unterberg) writes:
>
>My experience is that NT runs rather stable as long as you do not start the 
>windows or msdos subsystem. As soon as you execute a 16 bit dos or windows 
>application, NT becomes unstable, runs out of memory etc.
>
>It's just what microsoft said. This NT release is ONLY a development platform 
>for 32 bit applications. Neither the DOS nor the Windows subsystem is finished 
>or fully testet.
>

How are we supposed to run the development tools without opening a window?
This thing that says "MS-DOS prompt" actually runs 'cmd.exe'. I'm still
not sure if this is a true DOS window or just capable of executing DOS
apps, but I know I have to open it to use the debuggers and compiler.
When you say its stable if you do not run the windows subsystem, I sure
hope you mean the Win 3.1 subsystem!

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jones@kira.uvm.edu (Mike Jones)
Subject: Device Drivers
Organization: Division of EMBA, University of Vermont
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:54:28 GMT

	Anybody know the man page (if one exists) for writing device
drivers for NT ?  I just got my CD this week and am still looking for
a system that can handle the beast.

	I got the 'some assembly required' version of the manuals.
Anyhow, if anybody knows if there is a master index in there, or a
section about writing device drivers, let me know.  I want to use a
different network card, and wanted to see how much work it was to
write a driver for it.

	Right now it is in my CD drive, but cd'ing around on it and
getting directory listings is too slow to go searching for things.

Thanks, 
	Mike

****
 Next step is to port Emacs, unless somebody has done it.  That is, if
it is worth while and possible.  I hope that NT doesn't turn out to be 
DOS in disguise.
****
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: moncrg@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Gregory Donald Moncreaff)
Subject: microsoft fixes/updates -> compuserve vs ftp
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:39:43 GMT

i know that someone voluteered to mirror the compuserve
windows material to an ftp site a while back, has this
happened yet?

does microsoft have any 'official' policy reguarding the
copying of material from one forum to another?

since micorsoft obviously has net access, have they
concidered running thier own ftp site?
--
the only ftp site that i have found that has 'some'
microsoft material has been ftp.uu.net:/vendor/microsoft
but the amount of material present is quite small...

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Microsoft's discrimination against the blind
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:56:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug16.010948.22385@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> leeda@cps.msu.edu (Dae Hee Lee) writes:
>crosoft is trying to discriminate the blind by preventing them from
>accessing the computer.  Microsoft has already developed some versions
>of MS Windows with GUI, and is now developing Windows NT. But they don't
>have any plan to enable the blind to access their software at all.
>  But IBM has already developed the screen reading program for OS/2 2.0
>and the Presentation Manager for the blind.
>  Microsoft is clearly making discrimination for the visually impaired.
>
>Daehee Lee

This is clearly an inflamatory posting, and I wouldnt comment on such if
the subject matter weren't so delicate. You do yourself & us a disservice
to post such an acustation before you have asked anyone about the facts.

If you will do the courtious thing and re-phrase this question, then
someone at Microsoft (even me) may consider responding -- Alistair
From: edwardm@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Edward McClanahan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:30:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Trantor SCSI host adaptor support for Windows NT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

Marc Hall writes:

> ...the list does include CD Technology CD Porta-Drive T-3301...
> CD-ROMs. In the reviews I have read the T-3301 is supplied with either 
> the Trantor MiniSCSI (T339 ?) or Trantor T128 (8 bit half-height card) 
> host controller.

> Will any of the Windows NT supported SCSI host adaptors (particlarly Adaptec
>    or Future Domain) fit in an 8bit half-height slot ?  Will any of 
>    these support the CD Technology T-3301 ?

I called CD Technology and was told their PC-XT/AT controller is the
Future Domain 850, an 8-bit ISA card.  I don't know how big this card is...
From: newbie@dylan.camb.inmet.com (Chris Newbold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT install hangs - what's wrong?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:03:59 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

I'm trying to install the NT pre-beta on my Insight 486/33 EISA. It has
8MB RAM, Adaptec 1542B (rev F) SCSI controller, Diamond Stealth VRAM, 2
SCSI disks and Sony CDU-541 CD-ROM.

The disks are at id 0 and 1, the CD-ROM is at id 2. The installation
boot disk boots properly and finds the 1542. Then the screen asking me
whether I want express or custom setup appears. After I choose 'c' for
custom, the status line says "Examining disk configurations..." and
the system hangs.

I believe I have the SCSI bus terminated correctly:

		internal				external
   /------------------------------------------\ /---------------------\
	*TERM* -- CD-ROM -- Disk #1 -- 1542 ------- Disk #2 -- *TERM*

Any ideas what could be wrong?

Thank you for any help and suggestions.

-Chris

-- 
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   Intermetrics, Inc.	>  		  will screw it up."		     <
  Opinions and statements expressed are MINE and do NOT represent my employer
			newbie@inmet.camb.inmet.com
From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Com Port Problem after NT install using DOS2NT
Keywords: DOS2NT Com Port Serial Mouse
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:50:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley) writes:

>I just installed NT and am experiencing a problem with my COM port setup.
>Actually, it seems NT thinks I don't have any...  I have a Logitech serial
>mouse on com1 (8250) and my modem is on com2 (16650).  Whenever I move the
>mouse, the pointer flies around the screen in a seemingly random fashion.
>I also can not use my comm program (Telix) in an NT DOS Shell.
>BTW: This is all working just fine under Windows 3.1.

IT'S THE MOUSE!  I had the same problem.  The 'Logitec' driver that comes
with NT is apparently a lie.  I had to grab a 'Microsoft' mouse from a
CompuAdd machine to get NT to work.  
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Frequency of NT updates?
Date: 11 Aug 92 22:34:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: NT Updates 

In article <Bsrw50.H1I@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> debeaupr@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (David Beaupre) writes:
>
>My question is, does Microsoft have a planned schedule of delivery
>of these updates?  For example, can we expect monthly version updates?

We plan a couple more updates, and release around year's end, dependant
on the beta feedback. We're trying to provide some bug fixes via
compuserve libraries, and otherwise we're trying to make sure that
each update is stable - this "hold" for stability delays the product
release, so we dont want to do too many - ie, we tell development to
stop adding any new code to the source tree, then we test it and fix
minor things, then we release an update. So we're trying to compromise
with just a few updates, maximum development throughput, and compuserve
bug fixes -- Alistair
From: Alykhan_Virani@mindlink.bc.ca (Alykhan Virani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Missing WIN32 SDK CD-ROMs?
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:20:25 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


I was a Purple badger and only got 2 CD's.  The third was the international
I was a Purple Badger and got 2 CD's.  The third one was the international
version of Windows was given out on the last day as they ran out.

Alykhan.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: EXE file formats:
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:53:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1550@sousa.ltn.dec.com> perkins@gamma1.ltn.dec.com (Eric Perkins) writes:
>We have a need to be able to read in .EXE and .DLL files on both
>the MIPS version of NT and the Intel version. I have looked through
>the printed documentation and the online documentation, but have 
>not been able to find any information on this.
>
>Has someone else found this information?
>It was made available in the Win 3.1 SDK so I would have thought
>it was available in the Win NT SDK?

The Win32 .exe formats will be published, but are not on the SDK in this
release - in fact, the .exe formats are due to change before the real
prouct release - we're still working on making certain aspects
faster -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: bmeranda@uceng.UC.EDU (Brent E Meranda)
Subject: FORTRAN for NT?
Keywords: FORTRAN win32 NT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:04:50 GMT

Is there a 32-bit FORTRAN available for Windows NT?

Please post or email to mberanda@uceng.uc.edu.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: stergios@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stergios)
Subject: Re: *.pst files
Reply-To: stergios@kt22.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:09:37



(Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315) writes:

   I recently received the Win32 SDK CD-ROM with the intent of reading
   the documentation.  However, the files that I want to read 
   are in the win32ovr and win32api documentation directories
   and they have the suffix "pst".  I have been unable to 
   preview or print this "postscript" file.  How do you look at it?
   (I called Microsoft but was put on infinite hold.)


Here's the perl script I use to filter out the ^D & ^M when printing
through a unix host.  Name the file "cdps" and run it as

	cat file_name | cdps | lpr -Ppostscript_printer


#!/usr/local/bin/perl

while (<STDIN>) {
	s/\004//g ;
	s/\015//g ;
	print ;
}
--
--------------------------
Stergios Marinopoulos
stergios@kt22.Stanford.EDU
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Missing WIN32 SDK CD-ROMs?
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1581@anagld.analytics.com> sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn) writes:
>
>>That's news to me and the other five people from this office that
>>attended the NT conference in San Francisco in July.  We got 1 (one)
>>(uno) (ein) CD.
>
>Were you guys Green Badgers or Purple Badgers?  We were Greenies and the three
>CD's were in our black bags.

I was purple and got all three CDs.  Purple just meant that you registered 
late and got stuck in the overflow area. :-(

Rion
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: dicks@wez (Richard D. Schlotfeldt)
Subject: Anyone using NEC CDR-77?
Reply-To: dicks@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:35:34 GMT

Are you using the NEC CDR-77 CD-ROM drive with NT? If so, what
SCSI host adapter are you using and how successful have
you been?

Thanks
Dick Schlotfeldt
From: svirsky@ttidca.com (Bill Svirsky)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
Subject: Re: Borland Turbo C++
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:34:19 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

ingraldi@pabami.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony M. Ingraldi) writes:
: Does anyone know of a good text that teaches C++ from the ground up
: and is directed specifically at Borland's latest version of Turbo C++ for
: Windows?  I have some C programming experience but absolutely no knowledge
: of C++ extensions.

Programming Windows with Borland C++
by William Roetzheim
Ziff-Davis Press
ISBN 1-56276-040-8
U.S. $39.95

Also applies to Turbo C++. Chapters 1-3 cover C++. Chapters 4-13 cover
Windows and C++. It covers OWl, but I'm not sure how thoroughly.

From the Introduction:

"This book will not turn you into an expert C++ programmer or an expert
Windows programmer. Instead, my primary goal is much more modest. I want
to ensure that when you're finished reading this book you are completely
comfortable writing, compiling, and debugging a moderate Windows
application in C++."

From "Who this book is for"

"This book is written at an intermediate technical level, requiring some
background in C and a general understanding of Microsoft Windows. The
book does not, however, assume an in-depth knowledge of either C++ or
Microsoft Windows application development."

All source code presented in the book is also on the accompanying disk.

Caveat: I just bought this book. It looks good to me but I haven't gone
into it thoroughly yet.

--
Bill Svirsky  svirsky@soldev.tti.com  310-450-9111 x2597
..!{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!soldev!svirsky
Transaction Technology Inc, 3100 Ocean Park Blvd., Santa Monica, CA 90405
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: bonneau@hyper.com (Paul Bonneau,,)
Subject: Followup to MSC 7.0 floating point woes
Organization: HyperCube Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:26:56 GMT

Hi everybody,

A couple of weeks or so ago I posted a pair of articles
concerning problems I have encountered with version 7 of the
Microsoft C compiler.  Since then, several people (you know
who you are 8-)) have asked to be kept advised.   Hence the
post.

It turns out there was some confusion between the two groups
of Microsoft people I was speaking to, the compiler group and
some folks from the Windows team.  Here are the facts:

1) The new version of win87em.dll, to be released by
   Microsoft (the new version will placed on CompuServe) does
   *not* require INT 3D's in your code to function correctly.
   If a floating point exception (interrupt 16) occurs,
   win87em.dll handles it by:

   a) storing the code at the CS:IP that caused the
      exception,
   b) overwriting the code with an INT 3D,
   c) returning control to your app,
   d) your app will now immediately execute the INT 3D, which
      is also handled by win87em.dll,
   e) win87em.dll restores the saved code and takes the
      appropriate action for the exception.

2) C7.0 *does* have a bug in the "fast mode compiler".  The
   fast mode compiler is used when you specify -Od (no
   optimizations), which is what most folks do for debug
   code.  It can also be explicitly invoked with the -f
   switch.  The fast mode compiler treats -FPi87 the same as
   -FPi, i.e. you get a bunch of INT 3D's after the code
   segment has been loaded.  If you want to continue to use
   -Od, you can explicitly turn off the fast mode compiler
   with the apparently undocumented -f- switch.

One more point to mention is that after the loader patches
-FPi code with a bunch of INT 3D's, the new win87em.dll will
unpatch them the first time they are executed.  So even code
that does not presume a floating point processor can achieve
speed very close to code that does, when a FPU is present.

cheers - Paul.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: kovert@wam.umd.edu (Todd Kover)
Subject: Re: Screen Saver
Organization: Insufficient Memory Software
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:32:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.151143.1548@msdhsv.ingr.com> ahmad@norooz.b17a.ingr.com writes:
>Borland C++ & AF on-line helps has a topic about screen saver. It
>mentions SCRNSAVE.LIB and SCRNSAVE.H files but I could not find
>these files. Why is that?

Because Borland forgot to include them.  

Last I heard they were going to be making them available on their BBS and on
CompuServe.
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From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Robust Config Mgmt system wanted for MSwindows&UNIX
Organization: Bellcore
	<1992Aug14.215618.861@thirdi.uucp> <m40m+q#.ash@netcom.com>
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:06:45

In article <m40m+q#.ash@netcom.com> ash@netcom.com (Ashvin Patel) writes:
>   TeamNet as been around for over five years now, and is being used
>   extensively by many large corporations. From what I understand about
>   ClearCase, they have only been around for about 18 months and
>   are they have only just finished beta testing on the Sun and HP platforms.

ClearCase began shipping their product on Sun/HP in the beginning of Aug 92.
The version that runs on SGI machines has been shipping longer.

>   As to the use of filesystems, TeamNet seems to have a more transparent
>   and easier to use filesystem than ClearCase. ClearCase requires greater
>   effort to setup and use. The method of setting up source baselines
>   and workareas for TeamNet was just far easier and required less thought
>   than ClearCase. This doesn't mean that TeamNet lacks functionality.
>   TeamNet seemed to be a more "natural" way of working, and more
>   intuitive.  Lastly, TeamNet's architecture seems to be more mature
>   and better tought out, there seems to be alot of growing room designed into
>   the product. The underlying system is built on top of an OODB, which
>   a future product called the "Process Automation Kit" will capitalize on.
>   ClearCase to me seemed like a DSEE clone, that just wont scale in large
>   environments and wont grow with a company. The underlying architure
>   would probably need to change drastically for tha product to grow and
>   change over the years, especially there DB, which is based on a
>   relational database that just does not seem suited to handle the type
>   of meta-data required for a CM system.

This is suspiciously identical to what TeamNet told us about ClearCase.
Did you actually evaluate the two products, and come to this conclusion,
or are you just repeating what you were told by TeamNet ?

Since DSEE is by far the most sophisticated commercial SCM system that
has appeared in the last 10 years, calling something a "DSEE clone" is
properly interpreted as a high compliment.

This is not to say that the TeamNet claims are incorrect, just that they
are not coming from the most unbiased source (:-).

Cheers,

Geoff




--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel)
Subject: Re: Need info on Visual BASIC
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:29:07 GMT

macole@wam.umd.edu (Mario A. Cole) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.230209.2469@nic.csu.net> sulistio@futon.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:
>>Hi,
>>I would like to know more about VisualBASIC.  I keep hearing about it and
>>wondered about it.  What is it?  and how does it compare with Borland C++.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>-- 
>>Mul			    |  Alt. address: sulistio@sutro.sfsu.edu

>Visual Basic really doesn't compare to Borland C++, but it does have its 
>advantages.  It's very easy to learn and use.  You can create buttons, dialog
>boxes, list boxes, etc. and link code to them with ease.  If you plan to make a
>small Windows app with very little turnaround time, VB is the way to go.  I'm
>using both BC++ and VB.  Of course, being the programming weenie that I'm, I
>prefer BC++, but when our customers want a very quick turnaround time, I can
>get it done with VB in less than a day.  Honestly, I think VB is good for 
>those who really don't want to deal with the overwhelming capabilities of
>BC++.  

>In a nutshell, VB is very good but if you have the time and the knowledge, 
>BC++ is the best way to go.  

>Of course this is just my opinion...whatever it's worth.
>Hope this helps.
>Mario


You bet!!! VB is "F", "U", double-"N" - fun !!! I can't remember anyone
ever saying that about C, C++, Turbo Pascal (at least after version 4),
or Windows programming in general. VB takes away about 90% of the 
"drivel" programming and lets you get down to the "meat" of the 
problem. I'm not saying it's efficient or that it can solve all
programming problems because it can't.

It is fairly stable and doesn't need a monster hard disk to load. It
is also pretty cheap. One consideration - it has been out for quite a
while; anyone know if version 2 is due soon? 

Rod Rempel - rrempel@sfu.ca
Department of Kinesiology, Simon Fraser University 
... if two million people do a stupid thing it's still a stupid thing.

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: poffen@rushmore (Russ Poffenberger)
Subject: Re: MFC under BCC?
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, ATE division, San Jose, Ca.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:21:43 GMT

ed@odi.com (Ed Schwalenberg) writes:
: In article <1992Aug11.020925.18514@microsoft.com> johnkal@microsoft.com (John Kallen) writes:
: 
:   Borland and Microsoft have chosen two different name-mangling schemes for
:   symbols. As you mention, this is unfortunate as it makes linking to .LIB
:   libraries (as opposed to libraries where the source is provided) impossible
:   if the library was built with the "wrong" version.
: 
:   With luck, a standard DOS/Win/OS-2 name-mangling will evolve. Until
:   then, one will have to have sources to libraries, or compiler-vendor-dependent
:   .LIB files (bleargh...)
: 
: Let's assume that a standard name-mangling exists.  You're still in the soup
: unless object layout (alignment rules, location of vptrs, size of vtbls, etc)
: is identical and calling conventions are identical.

This is true, even using straight 'C', compiling as only 'C' code, I have never
been able to mix Borland and MSC object modules. They link OK, but always
bomb out when executing.

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