HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:34:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.111235.7149@netcom.com> cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
>I am not sure "wrong" and "right" are the terms I've been thinking in
>here, so this may be a roundabout answer to your question:
>The difference for me, between being attracted to someone for their
>race and being attracted to them for, say their mustache or their
>bubble butt, is that race carries a lot of associations, stereotypes,
>and other baggage that many other physical features do not.  Race is a
>loaded category in our society.[etc.]

Fantastic article!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Clear and cold (was: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette))
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:58:37 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

Oh, well, when I was the subject line I thought someone was going to 
quote my favorite weather forecast from a newspaper.

In 1973 my parents and I trudged out of Florida, going towards my 
aunt's home in South Carolina for Thanksgiving.  Since we started on
our trek after my father got off work the day before the holiday, we 
planned on spending the night somewhere on the way.  "Somewhere" turned
out to be the small town of Statesboro, Georgia.

My father cannot function without his first four cups of coffee each
morning (it must be genetic -- I'm the same way ;-), and he is simply
physically incapable of having said coffee without a newspaper with
which he can terrorize any dishes, cups, or silverware on the breakfast
table.  We awoke Thanksgiving morning, got dressed, and proceeded to
the restaurant in the Holiday Inn in which we stayed, with Dad pausing
at the front desk to buy a paper.

We were seated at our table, coffee was poured, and Dad started reading
what he's always read first:  the weather forecast.  He started laughing
so hard (and knocking coffee cups flying so high) that my mother and I 
both thought he was having a heart attack, until he shared with us the 
simple, "country" statement of weather in southeast Georgia in November:

     Clear and cold.
     Day and night.

No temperatures, no "on this date 27 years ago we froze", nothing like
that at all.  Just the six words which appeared under "Today's Weather"
as well as the "Long-Range Forecast".

I thought it was worth the full cup of coffee that landed in my lap.

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From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:34:17 GMT

In article <1ivf05INN9ti@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.212533.28069@psych.toronto.edu> 
>jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>> In article <C0rDI0.EtB@unix.amherst.edu> 
>> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>> >In article <1993Jan12.182645.16870@psych.toronto.edu
>> > jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>> >
>> >>I'm just trying to reconcile these
>> >>all-inclusive simplistic statements with my knowledge that there's a
>> >>_lot_ of diversity in a population of 5 billion across six* continents
>> >>and a recorded history of more than 5000 years.
>
>
>Stonewall was the catalyst for what we have now.
>Do you think there would have been all those Toronto
>bathhouses in the first place had it not been in
>the Canadian psyche to slavishly copy from the
>American example?

While many Canadians' emulation of our neighbour's actions is undeniable,
Brian's point about ignoring a whole load of history is only re-inforced
with the implicit assumption that bathhouses, if not originating in the
grand ol' US of A, required that nation's establishment of them to reach
other countries.  I don't think yanks (or even southeners) can claim that
they held up the bathhouse standard for all others to copy.
Stonewall was one of the catalysts for what we have now.  That is not 
being denied.  Giving it singular status as the force which shaped the
gay world in which we now all live is just wrong.
-paul


-- 
Butch Smurf     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez Again
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:59:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan5.175941.13817
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan5.131532.11961@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Even temporary idleness does terrible things for the mind.
>I was just sitting here, waiting for fresh coffee (I can't
>even think the word "fresh" any more without seeing the
>image of Jojo before my eyes), and suddenly remembered that
>Maria Montez is the subject of one of these threads (the
>makeup one?).
>
>At the mention of 3-cent streetcar fares, my so-called mind
>drifted back to the Knoxville Street car, which ran in front
>of the Beverly Cinema, a half-block from my house (now a
>Jewel supermarket) in horrible old Peoria.
>
>There I was spellbound (sweet jesus, more than 50 years
>ago!) by Maria Montez as Cobra Woman, with Jon Hall and
>Turhan Bey.  I saw a clip of Jon Hall not long ago and
>wondered how somebody so wimpy could ever have seemed so
>heroic to me.  But my question, dear audience, is one that
>probably only Arne or Howard could answer: I always thought
>Turhan Bey was family.  Was he?

Yes. So was Slim Pickens, who is on my mind at the moment, I know not why.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Smells Like Bisexual Spirit
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:59:56 GMT

Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:

   Another one out, and this one's a biggie: I just heard on the radio that 
   Kurt Cobain has declared he is a "practicing bisexual."  (his wording, 
   no flames please)

Doesn't Nirvana appear in drag (or deosn't part of Nirvana) in one of
their videos? 

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
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Bad Colorado.  No business.
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Subject: Re: I am confused
From: roger@otago.ac.nz (Roger Grauwmeijer)
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:07:32 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1isfdpINNado@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In the last week, several people have told me that when they think of
> my personality/interpersonal-style,  I remind them of Mary Poppins.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea:
> A) is this a good thing?

I've always like Mary Poppins!

> B) what it means?

You have a wonderful collection of umbrellas?

> FWA

Rog. Becoming more impatient about his holidays.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:18:34 GMT

Jess and Arne ask:

	Is there something wrong with women who do the beauty thing?

and express intrest in having that question answered. Being the
vessel for pleasure that I am, I must provide that answer.

	Depends.

There. That's it. If a woman is self-sufficient, and merely likes how
it feels to go through the beauty routine, whether because she likes
being able to provide her own interpretation of the beauty rules or
purely because she likes playing with all that goop, then it's not a
BAD THING. But, if she's doing it because she feels that she must in
order to be a good person, it is a BAD THING. I'm sure these definitions
can be expanded further, but I'm thinking oddly tonight because I have
to use a really butt-ugly newsreader, so feel free to expand upon them
yourselves.

(Speaking of beauty, is there any way to make hair grow quickly? I
don't want to make a first impression in training as a (total)
skinhead...)

-- 
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:59:58 GMT

In article <C0JICA.8n1@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>In article <9301071929.AA07748@lynx.corp.frame.com>, jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>
>|> Indeed, it isn't a happy feeling you get when someone looks at you (or gropes
>|> at you) and says, "Mmm, big dick.  I hope you're a bottom."
>
>Are you serious?  I've heard the first sentence, but
>*never* in combination with the second.

Poor Greggie, There isn't anything quite enticing as someone
saying. "Oh my god, I hope you're a bottom, its so big I couldn't
possibly take it, no really, I couldn't, it would kill me, I uh,
oh *DON'T*, no, uhhh.  OOOOHH! You're killing me, <thrashing head and
grasping hands> Oh my good you're all the way in, I can't believe
you're all the way in, oh god you're fucking me with that big dick,
etc. etc."


Ry
ry@usl.com
PS. Don't let the e++ fool you, this works great on everybody, well
except stealth lesbians but nobody knows they exist.
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction (actually Delany)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:30:09 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu

Ron Buckmire:
> Eeeek! I'm actually going to agree with Steve on something. I, too, find 
> most of Delany's novels to be unrewarding. 

We have to talk. :-)

> short stories that were actually compelling. I forget the title, 
> it included "Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones", 

Probably Driftglass, including such wonderful titles (and stories)
as "We, in some strange power's employ, move on a rigorous line"
and "Night and the loves of Joe Dicostanzo". Some of these stories
were also collected in an illustrated volume called Distant Stars
(but the material in Distant Stars that's not in Driftglass is not
very good).

>which despite being a munificent title, was really quite odd. 

What was odd about it? It's a very straightforward thriller
narrative. 

Bill
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:29:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>To change the subject slightly, do you think it would be
>immoral to shoot my neighbor's dog?  "Neighbor" here does
>not indicate a friend, but rather some cretin living five
>doors away across my back fence.  There is a very large
>barking creature (I admit only assuming it is a dog)
>averaging 25 loud reports a minute, for about two weeks now,
>day and night, day in, day out, without cessation.  It's
>winter, the house is closed up tight, there are two
>computers with their fans, an air cleaner with an even
>louder fan, and a large aquarium with two pumps pumping, yet
>I can hear that dog as well as is if it were in *my* yard.

You could offer to keep the dog for him, so that it would annoy your neighbors
instead.  Or you could scrub some cats in your bathroom tub, being sure to
tie their legs first.  As a last resort, you could buy yourself a screaming
baby.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:40:45 GMT

In article <C0GB9y.6LJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright) writes:

>In article <6JAN93.18093483@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>>One reason I love my bunny is they don't get fleas.  If I could only train
>>her to stop eating wires, though.

>I don't understand. You have a rabbit that eats wire?

The greatest source of damage to telephone cables strung on
poles (as opposed to being buried) is squirrels, not bad
weather or falling branches.  They chew right through the
outer plastic coating and right through the (thick, in a
large cable) aluminum shield, so they can eat the wires.

Even the ones that *can't* fly are very resourceful.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: Identifying soc.motssers at the MOW
Keywords: pods
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:23:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.210020.15526@bmers145.bnr.ca> jfile@bnr.ca writes:

>Too bad we don't have a soc.motss pin or something to identify soc.motssers.
>Myself, never having been to a motss con, wouldn't know a motsser if I 
>tripped over one.  Anyone have any ideas?

Pin a pod on your lapel (a small one, naturally).

-Tom Albright

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: penis size
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:15:18 GMT

> portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:
>> joe@spdcc.com writes:
>> Entire bars become silent if I walk in wearing lycra shorts
>> with a big fat hardon snaking down the leg.
>
>I simply MUST go to Paris and visit again sometime.

I'm still trying to figure out how a big fat hardon
could be described as *snaking* -- unless of course
there's a rattle attached...
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From: john@drummond.demon.co.uk (John Fisher)
Subject: Re: Southern Etiquette (was Bar Etiquette)
Reply-To: john@drummond.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Organization: not
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:47:22 +0000

In article <C0Jx50.904@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

> In the more genteel parts of the world, gravy is what Jeff described:
> you _start_ with a rue, add milk and/or cream, simmer until thickened,
> then serve on breads or meats.

Aha!  All is revealed.  In fact, it's just white sauce.
You eat it with cauliflower.  School dinner food.

--John
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:04:47 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1993Jan4.224802.16007@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:

>Not to butt into a perfectly good Jess-and-Steve-flames-because-its-
>cold-in-winter, but...

Butting in?  Flames?  Nah.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:01:36 GMT

tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) wrote: 
->Has SF considered adopting the national theme or is the Center Of The
->Gay Universe afraid that associating with a national organization might
->weaken their strong-hold on gayness and encourage the myth that if
->you're not in SF you're not really gay?

you sound jealous.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:57:31 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory

In article <1993Jan6.222112.3393@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>C0GAEL.917.2@cs.cmu.edu> 
>>>zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller) writes:
>>
>>> Why don't people who are targeted frequently, move to another city
>>> or neighborhood?  Why stay where you keep getting harrassed?
>>

>Gotta agree with Arne.  Here in Toronto, the majority of gay bashings 
>occur in the primary 'gay area', sort of 6 block x 6 block square 
>centered on Church and Wellesley (secondary areas appear at every 
>third subway stop -- this is a really gay city).  The bashers don't
>live in this area, they just hunt in it.

Well, yeah, no shit.  Outside of the 'gay areas' they don't have any
clue as to who we are - only faggots hang out in faggot areas. remember?
It's the same way for what happens here in Chicago, only our gay areas
are a bit more spread out, and the problem is definately nowhere near
as bad as it is elsewhere.

Jim

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How This Man/Boy Got Some
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:52:34 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



Tim Mohler wrote:
  >>The other week there was a thread about men not "getting it."
  [ ... ] 
  >>Jess and Mike Hennahane
  >>covered a lot of good ground, but I think a crucial point
  >>may have been glossed over.
  >>Men don't get it because they don't want to.

Jess Anderson answered:
 >I think this is true of all but a small fraction of men.
 >It's male privilege that animates and sustains sexism,
 >probably.

Ow.  Yes and no.  It is very difficult to change habits of thought
as deeply engrained in a culture as those that govern gender
proprieties.  Women as well as men have formed these habits, and
women as well as men need to re-form (!) them.  

Male privilege is a very significant aspect of our notions of gender
propriety, but so are male responsibility and female dependency.
They all work together in the culture to produce a stabilizing mix--
the notion (for example) that male privilege is _earned_ by men who
are responsible for (say) supporting their families.  (This, of
course, may ignore the work that women do to support those same
families; it is part of this whole system that this work doesn't
"really" count.)

Of course, male privilege is what has encouraged women to look for
equality and to try to clear out some of the attitudes that all of
us held nearly unexamined for all those generations.  Women tend to
see the potential effect of reducing sexism as an increase in
privilege, men as a reduction in privilege.

Of course there's more to it than that.  But I don't like
considerations of the topic that make it look as though sexism 
would vanish if only those nasty men would get a clue.  I wish
it were that easy!



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:55:59 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Ellen Keyne Seebacher writes:
>>Bionic Woman Fan even before I was a Spelling Queen,

>You too, eh??  What were your favorite episodes?  Mine were the
>ones with the aliens who built the Sasquatch, and the episodes
>with the "Fembots."  (Admittedly, both of these carried over with
>_$6M Man_....)

Well, the fembots didn't always carry over. I mean there was this
second instance thing where she encounterde the fembots in Las Vegas,
who were about to steal the computer-code to some space-ray device on
the moon that could wreck havoc on earth (Where did we hear this plot
before? Hint: Roger Moore), and this didn't carry over with Steve
Austin. I think this was spread over two episodes too.

I liked her more than the $6M man. More glamourous, I guess.

I rember this kind of stuff. But differently from you: Black & White &
dubbed in Spanish.

								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:58:44 GMT


In article <73181@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
|> Scot N. Gibson writes:
|> [Quoting my comments about Arne]
|> >See, we even have the camp-impaired here.  And who says that soc.motss
|> >is not an equal opportunity newsgroup.
|> 
|> "Camp-impaired?" I think not. At least, I can tell the difference
|> between "camp" -- which can be rather acerbic -- and Arne's
|> indiscriminate, unrelenting nastiness.

I wouldn't call it either indiscriminate or
unrelenting.  For *my* tastes, Arne is *sometimes*
wrong in his choice of targets and *sometimes*
unable or unwilling to move on.

Certainly not always the case, and I think it
weakens any case you might have for disagreement
to state it that way.

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From: chuck@ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461)
Subject: Re: All Over
Originator: chuck@fourier
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:46:49 GMT


I am tremendously grateful for Jack Carroll's essay.  His
writing is exquisite and the thoughts expressed, deeply moving.

And then Ry's loving embrace of Jack.  I had to stop for
a moment and enjoy a warm smile.

Thanks to you both, Jack and Ry.  


-- 
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