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From: raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz)
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 23:33:05 GMT

In article <16AUG199222270206@rosie.uh.edu> elee9sv@rosie.uh.edu (92H01722) writes:
>But, in the traveller episode they go beyond warp 10. Theoreticly everything
>beyond warp 10 is STILL warp 10. Infinity + 2 is STILL infinity!!!
>
>                             Garrett 

Well, actually, they never exceeded Warp 10 in "Where No One Has Gone Before".
According to the Tech. Manual they Traveller assisted the E in achieving
9.9999999996 which is about 189 billion times the speed of light.  One would
assume that "off the scale" means that it goes past Warp 9.99 for this
reason...
Think about it, if your `speed' is infinity, you co-exist with
every point in the universe (taken from Vendetta, not canon, but...)

(The formula I used for the value of 189 billion was taken from the
post a while back about warp speed calculation... I don't remember who
the author/originator of the calculation is; the formula is:
  s=w^(10/3)*(1+a*(w/9)^b*sqrt(tan(w*pi/20)))
  and a=9.4838E-05 and b=67.297 (these values were determined
  by a curve fitting routine or something similar...)

ttyl,

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From: crt@zoo.bt.co.uk (Clive R Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:23:23 GMT
Reply-To: crt@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 16AUG199222270206@rosie.uh.edu, elee9sv@rosie.uh.edu (92H01722) writes:
>But, in the traveller episode they go beyond warp 10. Theoreticly everything
>beyond warp 10 is STILL warp 10. Infinity + 2 is STILL infinity!!!
>
>                             Garrett 



	In the traveller episode thay did not go beyond warp 10. The full reasoning 
can be found in the SNG tech manual. They infact were travaling at about warp 
9.99999997 (give or take a few 9's). The simple reason for this is that the actual 
difference in velocity/and energy requirements between warp 9.9 and 10 are so great
that the matter/anti-matter reaction aboard the Enterprise does not provide the power 
needed for these speeds, using current sub-space distortion techniques. 



Clive R Thompson

British Telecom Labs (England)
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From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Keywords: The Q,continum,The Force
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.205300.11481@ennews.eas.asu.edu> thompson@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Albert Thompson III (Al)) writes:

>Yes! What would you do with the Power of the Q?

siouxsie sioux
From: Miles Lester <MLESTER@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: SCI-FI CHANNEL TENTATIVE SCHEDULE
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 13 Aug 1992 17:56:20 GMT
Organization: Vulcan Science Academy, Tau Ceti Sector
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The Following is a tentative schedule for the new SCI-FI CHANNEL
which is slated to go on the air September 24th 1992. I got this
message off of FidoNet and thus I left the original author and
his quoted source intact.


Message #1928 "Home Satellite" (Read: 1)
Date: 04 Aug 92  21:29:00
From: Dean Adams
  To: All
Subj: SFC Schedule

SFC checklist-
 Satellite address: Galaxy 5/04
 Test broadcasting: August 10-
 Programming start: September 24 
<<The following information is from BROADCASTING magazine: 7/20/92>> 
Sci-Fi Channel Unveils Schedule For September Debut
Startup is Sept 24, 8pm ET with unedited Star Wars. 
MONDAY-FRIDAY
   7am  Sci-fi cartoons, including:
          Star Trek
          Captain Scarlet
          Defenders of the Earth
          New Adventures of Flash Gordon
          Return to the Planet of the Apes
          Fantastic Voyage
          Stingray
   9am  movie
   3pm  movie
   8pm  Battlestar Galactica
   9pm  War of the Worlds
  10pm  Great Series Showcase  (starting with Fantastic Journey) 
SATURDAY
   9am  Sci-Fi Insider
        NASA Watch
  10am  Mysteries
   4pm  movie
   8pm  Original movie
  11pm  movie 
SUNDAY
   1am  movie
   8am  sci-fi cartoons
   3pm  movie
   5pm  movie
   8pm  Sci-Fi Insider
        NASA Watch
   9pm  Mysteries
  11pm  movie 
Weekdays and weekend afternoons will feature a
number of off-network series:
  Dark Shadows
  Dr. Who
  Lost In Space
  Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
  One Step Beyond
  The Incredible Hulk 
Competing in the access time period on Sci-Fi Channel
will be the off-network series:
   Space: 1999
   Alfred Hitchcock Presents
   Alien Nation
   Buck Rogers 
Late night will feature:
   Tales from the Darkside
   Night Gallery
   Dark Shadows
   Dr. Who 
---
 * Origin: SLC-6 Western Spaceport in Simi Valley, CA (1:102/1006.4) 


Miles Lester
mlester@ducvax.auburn.edu
mlester@auducvax.bitnet

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From: margaret@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Margaret Hudacko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: Shuttlecraft Arrives Early
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 13 Aug 1992 17:53:11 GMT
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The shuttlecraft Galileo has arrived at Hallmark stores a bit earlier
than expected.  Hallmark had scheduled the release of the Star Trek
Christmas Ornament for August 29, 1992.  Instead, stores received
shipment on August 6.

This year's ornament has a voice chip of Leonard Nimoy saying "Shuttlecraft
to Enterprise, Shuttlecraft to Enterprise, Happy Holidays, Live Long and
Prosper".

Margaret Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu

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From: Jon Pugh <jpugh@apple.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: Denise Crosby Mostly Naked on Showtime
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 13 Aug 1992 17:51:13 GMT
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I just watched a "Red Shoes Diary" half hour program on Showtime that has
Denise Crosby playing a police officer using her authority to seduce/rape a
man.  There's lots of nudity.  A must see for Denise Crosby fans!

Check your local listings for viewing times.

Jon Pugh

Set phasers to titilate, Lieutenant Yar.

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From: JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: dragons were dinosaurs?
Date: 21 Aug 1992 23:40:43 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <92Aug21.200847.14168@acs.ucalgary.ca>
iwsbarke@acs.ucalgary.ca (I W Scott Barker) writes:
 
>To hold out hope is never absurd. Until Columbus showed otherwise, the vast
>majority of people, both experts and laymen alike, believed the world was flat.
>Obviously, it is possible that experts and majorities *can* be mistaken.
 
The story is a popular myth. Yes, many laymen might have believed the earth
was flat.  But educated folk have known the earth was round since, oh, was
it Eratosthenes?  Columbus was not revolutionary, just canny and lucky.
 
>I agree again that with enough evidence, it is more likely. Again, however,
>theories have been overthrown completely: the geocentric universe, the flat
>world; there have been many instances where established scientific facts have
>been found to be incorrect.
 
'Science' is a tricky term here.  The geocentric universe and 'flat world'
essentially predate the advent of the scientific method, as I see it.  Now,
yes, there have been more recent examples -- Shapley's conception of the
shape/size of the universe, for example, blown away by the discovery that
galaxies were not just 'nebulosities'.
 
I appreciate the idea of open-mindedness.  But at some point it just
becomes perverse.  Assuming that a breeding population of dinosaurs
would survive the K-T extinction and produce progeny until the arrival
of Homo on the scene, without leaving fossil evidence through further
speciation and fossil record, becomes rather absurd when you compare
the number of necessary coincidences compared with other theories.
(I LIKE the one about crocodiles in the Levant.  Reminds me of old
Prince Valiant strips by Hal Foster....)_
 
>True, and the new place you look may lead to the discovery that dinosaurs
>were around with humans. Probably not, but it is possible.
 
Yes, you're right.  It could.  But it's vanishingly unlikely.  I think
I'm forced to agree with you, and then wonder if it's worth arguing
about.  So why am I doing so? :-)
 
Joseph L. Lockett
jlock00@ricevm1.rice.edu
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From: u894793@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Timothy D Little)
Subject: Re: Merpeople
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:22:42 GMT

matoh@lysator.liu.se (Mats \hrman) writes:

>Yes, whales are mammals. But they don't have gills, they have lungs
>and breathe air... :-)

Yes, as I realised about 10 seconds after irreversibly posting it...

>Better would be to look at *fish* with a mass larger than or equal to
>a human, for exampes sharks.  What percentage of a shark's volume is
>gills? Could you fit that volume into a human neck/ribcage? Would a
>"human" survive on a shark's metabolic rate?

It's questions like these that made me consider whales, temporarily
forgetting how completely irrelevant they are to the 'gills' discussion.

>Or you could base your merpeople on whales and dolphins instead of
>fish, making them airbreathers who have to surface regularely...

How much oxygen do you think they could store?  How long would that last
them?  (Come to think of it, I just realised I don't know how cetaceans
store their oxygen - is it in gaseous form, or bound in the blood?)

>Mats Ohrman     Scandinavian System Support AB       E-mail:   matoh@sssab.se
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From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: dragons were dinosaurs?
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <92Aug20.152740.16231@acs.ucalgary.ca>, iwsbarke@acs.ucalgary.ca (I W Scott Barker) writes:
>Your reasoning makes some sense, but that one statement above makes me think
>you have never put any real thought into the matter. If you had, you would 
>realize that nothing is "scientifically impossible". It may be HIGHLY
>improbable, but in science, one can never assume something is impossible. That
>something may just come up a take a bite out of you someday.

This is a weird piece of sillyness that seems to have become an American
trademark.  Assuming something is impossible absent any evidence that it
is _is_ bad science.  However, the fossil record is more than sufficiently
complete that we _can_ say that it is impossible that humans and dinosaurs
ever co-existed.

This idea that _everything_ is possible, even if very unlikely, and that
_every_ point of view must be respected, no matter how stupid, is a recent
and unfortunate development in this country.  Let me give you a quick
update:

For astrology to be true as specified is _impossible_.
For "psychic seers" to reliably and accurately foretell the future for you for
  $2.00 for the first minute and $.95 per minute thereafter is _impossible_.
For an enormous range of cars, from different manufacturers and with no parts
  in common to suddenly and mysteriously gain the miraculous power to
  accelerate so far beyond their designed maximum rates that it is beyond the
  ability of an alert driver employing their perfectly-functioning brakes to
  stop or slow the car before running someone over, and to thereafter not show
  any evidence that this was the case, is _impossible_.

There are many other examples.  Every human being needs a reliable and
functional bullshit detector, it is sad that most every American has
had theirs disabled by this sad misinterpretation of the concept of
"tolerance".

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
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How about we all do something reasonable?  I bet that'll confuse 'em!
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From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Subject: Re: High Tc Superconductivity is different
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:10:28 GMT

In article <Aug.13.11.08.07.1992.23843@math.rutgers.edu> janowsky@math.rutgers.edu (Steven Janowsky) writes:
>Unfortunately high Tc superconductors DO dissipate energy if carrying
>significant amounts of current.
>
>Although the resistance is zero at zero current density, when there is a
>magnetic field (= when current > 0) they exhibit what is known as `flux
>creep' as the magnetic flux lines make thermally activated dissipative
>moves.
>
   Flux creep was a problem in early conventional superconductors as
well. There is now a well developed art to making good low temperature
superconductors which lose little to flux creep.
   As I recall there are some people who think they can defeat the flux
creep problem in, for instance, YBCO 1-2-3 superconductor. The trick is
to put in enough pinning sites and then cool it below the flux melting
transition. I believe this transition lies a bit below 77 Kelvin, so it's
a bit of a nuisance, but nobody has written off high-Tc superconductors
yet as a good persistent current material. At the moment thin films look
more promising than bulk samples from this standpoint, but you can put a
bunch of thin films together to make something which carries significant
current. Conventional superconducting wire is mostly copper, so the fact
that a lot of bulk will be substrate for a thin film layer cake type
conductor shouldn't be too much of a problem.
   Our superconducting magnet (Nb-Ti and Nb-Sn windings) is rated to lose
field at about one part in 1E+4 per day due primarily to flux creep
effects. In practice it's losing field less slowly than that when left
persistent.


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From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Subject: Re: Superconductors
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:07:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.145005.7655@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ccw@prefect.uucp (26554-wood) writes:
>In article <Bt66ry.H2B@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.060748.2986@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rob@guinness.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere) writes:
>
>>At the moment, though, there are no practical
>>large-scale energy storage systems in common use. 
>
>I've read about hydro energy storage systems.  During the night, they
>run separate pumps to put more water back into the reservoir from down
>below.  During peak demand, they can run more water through the
>turbines, and generate more electricity.
>
   Yes. I knew some had been approved for construction, but are there any
which are actually being used for that purpose by utilities at the
moment, as opposed to prototype or proof of concept plants?
   Anyway, they're certainly not in common use right now.


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From: mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Worm Holes
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:42:37 PST
Organization: BBS

        I've been thinking about using wormholes instead of FTL travel in sf
stories that I write.  Are there any books on special and general relativity
that would enable someone with math skills limited to first year calculus to
understand and do computations about wormholes?  Any recomendations would be
apreciated.

Matthew Cline
mcline@terapin.com
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From: gapdrr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Daniel R T Rothman)
Subject: Re: DNA garrotte
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:23:17 GMT

On the other hand, if you're considering a molecular-level technology being
employed by techno/wiz-bang assassins, there are a LOT of other possibilities
you could look into. 
I think it's not unreasonable to have a mono-filament diamond garotte that
contains a virus on one end that eats the garotte away relatively quickly 
after use, leaving only carbon concentrations, and thus being relatively
untraceable/undetectable. Release of said buggies could be activated
by the pressure of use. These'd be a LOT easier to mass-produce than the
DNA stuff, if not as "personal"
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From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Subject: Re: Superconductors
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:44:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.155228.5487@infodev.cam.ac.uk> sl25@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton) writes:
>
>|>    I wonder where people will go after electrons? Maybe you could fire
>|> cannonballs at the microchip and count on their short de Broglie 
>|> wavelength ;-) 
>
>Muons seem like an obvious choice.

   Muons for lithography? I don't know how effective that would be. Muons
have a very high penetration of most materials. If you look at a high
energy particle physics experiment you'll see muon counters and chambers
mounted on the outside of the detector. The assumption is that any
charged particle which can get through the two or more metres of depleted
uranium, scintillators, and whatever else is being used must be a muon.
   If a muon goes through stuff easily it doesn't deposit energy
efficiently in a surface layer, so muon lithography sounds a bit
difficult.

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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Re: dragons were dinosaurs?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:44:32 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug20.144627.24952@news.acns.nwu.edu> myboy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lewis Murtaugh) writes:

>It's hard to believe that this topic is being discussed on this newsgroup,
>along with discussions of superconductors, general relativity, and other real,
>hard science-type topics.

Well, this is rec.arts.sf.science.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^

The "sf" stands for "science fiction" and makes the general tone of this
group a little more far-out and speculative than, say, sci.physics.  
I think the discussion it sparked has been illuminating, at least for
me.

>If enough dinosaurs did survive to ensure genetic diversity, where are they
>now?  Did primitive man kill them off?  Why aren't there any cave paintings of
>dinosaurs?

The question was who DO we have legends of creatures that resemble dinosaurs.
How many cave paintings are there?  Maybe the places where cave paintings
exist didn't have any dinosaurs that survived.  

I guess I was envisioning a "lost world" scenario where some dinosaurs 
survived in a very small area of the world.  This would explain why the
fossil record doesn't reveal anything.  You'd have to find fossils in
a very specific place and it may not have ever been dug up.  Asia, 
where dragons seem to have been "invented", is a big place.  

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts everyone!

Dave
auwen@convex.com
From: scot@moosilauke.dartmouth.edu (Scot Drysdale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Hydro energy storage systems
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:52:15 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: scot@moosilauke

A hydro energy storage system was working on Taum Sauk Mountain in southern
Missouri in the late 60's, and as far as I know it is still being used
(still marked on Missouri maps).  It was a pump storage system, with water
being pumped uphill at night and running back down for peak generation 
during the day.  

Scot Drysdale  
scot.drysdale@dartmouth.edu 

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From: rob@guinness.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere)
Subject: Re: Superconductors
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.144333.7519@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ccw@prefect.uucp
(26554-wood) writes: 
>NonononononononoNoNoNoNONONONO!
>
>I^2*R is the expression for the amount of power dissapated by a load
>that follows Ohm's Law.  It comes directly from E=I*R and P=E*I.
>
>The amount of energy stored in a magnetic field is a volume integral of
>the magnetic field strength.  I do not recall the details...

That's the second wise-ass who doesn't know the difference between electrical
and magnetic and wishes to demonstrate so in an emphatic manner...

Oh, and it's dissIpated.

SR
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: dragons were dinosaurs?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:49:29 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <Bt92J2.1Gp@teleride.on.ca> stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb) writes:
>There is no concrete evidence that any dinosaurs have been alive for the
>past several hundered million years.  This isn't to say there haven't been
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>any, but a few hundred million years is a long time.  

Excuse me?

A 'few hundred million years' certainly is a long time--but not an
appropriate figure for dealing with dinosaurs--who were around from
about 210 million years ago until (if Walter Alvarez is correct) 64.98
million, plus or minus 50,000, years ago.  (For those that don't read
the papers--that's the date recently determined for the Chicxulub
Crater in Yucatan that looks a whole lot like being the K-T boundary
impact site . . .)

	--Hal
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