From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Subject: Re: Israel and Kuwait in the Spotlight
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:30:41 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Sep9105159@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.003354.3761@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>   Arabs who are citizens of the State of Israel actually may and do vote
>>   for political leaders who actively represent their interests,
>
>Jake, you know as well as I that the Arab political are not allowed to
>question the Zionist nature of the State of Israel.  Thus for example
>if in the future the Jews become the minority in Israel (as is the
>fear of many Kachists), the Arab parties would not legally be able to
>exert their otherwise normal democratic right to take over the
>government.  Thus your claim that Arab Israelis are allowed to vote
>for political leaders who represent their interests is false.

As noone will let an American run for president with his main goal
of dismantling the Consititution and the Union.
You expect Israeli democracy to follow the Weimar republic in its way
to oblivion. Israelis will not be so stupid!

>I should also point out that the Israeli policy of deporting
>"troublemakers" extends to Arab politicians of the West Bank, and
>often the only trouble some of the deportees made was actively
>representing the interests of the Palestinian Arabs.  Thus your claim
>is not only false, it is hollow.
>

Jake was talking about the Israeli citizens not the West Bank. since
the west bank is not part of Israel and its destiny is not clear yet
one cannot expect Israel to allow the Arabs right in a state that they
try to dismantle in fervor. The Arabs of Jerusalem got full rights when
Israel annexed Jerusalem.

>>   as
>>   opposed to all the other Arab states where elections are non-existent,
>>   total shams or merely electing figureheads who have no authority
>>   anyways.  The Arab voting-block was not insignificant in the recent
>>   Israeli elections.
>
>What is your opinion of the recent elections in Lebanon and Yemen?

Do you mean those that were boycotted by all the Christians and held
under the rifles and tanks of Assad?

>>   Arabs in Israel have opportunities to earn money, in some cases enough
>>   to qualify as wealthy by American standards.  In most Arab states,
>>   such opportunities are apportioned based on class, birthplace, family
>>   membership or religious persuasion and other such categorizations that
>>   would be considered corrupt or racist anywhere in the West or in
>>   Israel.
>
>Oh?  How about the Palestinian Arabs who, because of their religious
>persuasion and birthplace, are allowed to work in Israel only under
>special conditions.

They are not citizens - they should not work in Israel at all - they
are Guest workers. Their rights are less abused than the Palestinians in 
their brethern's states.

>>   ...
>>   When Palestinean Arabs have spent much of this century feuding with
>>   Palestinean Jews, killing off hundreds of Jewish women and children
>>   along the way,
>
>A treatment, by the way, that they were also getting from the
>Palestinian Jews.

I challenge you to show any Jewish provocation that preceded the 1929 
riots and slaughter of the Jews. Sure, when the going gets tough -
retaliations start.

>>   then spent the last 30 years running the wealthiest and
>>   best-known terrorist group in the world, and most recently fighting a
>>   full-scale civil war inside Israel, with the declared of ridding
>>   themselves of the government, it is very odd for you to describe these
>>   same people as now being "scapegoated". ...
>--
>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

David.
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