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From: vincent@lagrange (Mark Vincent)
Subject: Best Conference
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:34:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins

Hi, netters--let's talk hoops!

A recent question about teams from the same conference winning NCAA champ-
ionships during the 1980's got me thinking.  Let's get a discussion going
on the subject:

Which conference had the best season ever?

Some samples from recent memory:

In 1976 (the second year that conferences were allowed to send more than one
representative to the NCAA's), Indiana and Michigan (both from the Big Ten)
met in the final game, Indiana winning to cap the last perfect season in 
Division I.

In 1982, North Carolina and Virginia alternated as the #1 team in the polls
for most (all? I can't remember) of the season, the Tar Heels eventually   
winning the Dean Smith's first national title with one of UNC's best teams
ever.

In 1985, Georgetown and St. John's held down the #1 ranking for most of the
regular season, leading the Big East to three teams in the Final Four (the
only time three teams from the same conference made it to the FF).  Of course,
it was the third team (Villanova) that won the final game.

In 1988, the Big Eight placed three teams (Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma)
in the final eight, with Kansas beating Oklahoma in the title game.

Etc.  

While the above examples probably focus more on success in the NCAA
tournament than in the regular season, it seems that there are examples of one
conference holding dominance over the weekly ratings for the majority of one
season, in addition to placing a bunch of teams in post-season play.

Any comments welcome.  Enjoy.


-- 
Mark Vincent                        |
Dept. of Mathematics                | "Gee, I never saw an invisible
Colorado State University           |    wall before."
vincent@lagrange.math.ColoState.edu |            -- from "Time Bandits"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert)
Subject: Beginning and ending dates for NCAA Men's Tourney?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:52:58 GMT

Subject line says it all.  I would appreciate the effort on anyone's
part for posting the dates (more or less, it doesn't have to be exact),
more specifically, the Thu-Sun weekends of the Regionals.  I need to
plan some stuff around the tourney.

Thanks,

Matt


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Larry Finch
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:10:42 GMT

Seeing as I started the Steve Fisher thread, I thought I'd try to start
another; this time I'm wondering about Larry Finch.  I'm a hog fan, and
being in Indiana can make a hog fan pretty starved for news.  The other
day I wondered into the periodicals room of the IU library and started
browsing through the sports section of a few Memphis Commercial Appeals,
which happens to be the newspaper with the most Arkansas news in it that
IU has.  I read through the hog reports and that was fine, but I also
read through the MSU reports.  Finch, needless to say, was devastated by
the loss of David Vaughn. I can understand that, but I question the
wisdom of Finch's lamenting over the loss of a key player so publicly,
and so often.  After all, he has a team to psyche up.  Even if he really
can't see how to recuperate after losing such a player, is it wise for
him to comment about his loss in such a way as to undermine his own
players' confidence? And, after a awhile, doesn't even he have to get
over it? The season doesn't stop when you lose a player. Teams like
Tennessee, and Tulane, don't give you a break. Nor will the teams that
MSU will meet in Hawaii. Finch has to coach the players he has and make
them believe they can win.  And despite the fact that most watchers of
the basketball scene have said MSU has very little depth, Finch does
have solid players.  If pressed to choose between Hardaway's supporting
cast and Allan Houston's, I'd probably go with Hardaway's.  And I'd
certainly favor Hardaway over Houston if I were in a position to draft
one of the two, and that's taking nothing away from Houston.  MSU almost
got a boost the other night when the almost pulled off a big comeback
against Tulane.  But they didn't, and Finch's job became even harder.
But it's not impossible.  This is still an team that can make it to the
dance, but I'd like to see Finch make more of an effort to get them to
believe in themselves, or at least make more of an effort not to
undermine publicly the efforts he's making to build that confidence in
private.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: 6'8'' Center...
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center, Stillwater OK
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:05:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.165056.13326@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> ZITZMANN@BEATE.RZ.FH-ULM.DE (TI2 Ingo Zitzmann) writes:
>			Hi, there!
>	Is there any College in the USA, that could need a
>	Center (6'8'', 200lbs, from Germany, passed SAT)?
>	If you're interested, give answer via E-Mail to:
>		ZITZMANN@HUGO.RZ.FH-ULM.DE
>		(or zitzmann@felix.rz.fh-ulm.de)
>					Thanx 'n bye,
>						Ingo.
>
Well, my intramural team doesn't have much height....
Andy



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:41:05 GMT

Charles Sroczynski writes:
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong but...

Okay.

>Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
>whose point guard has the game of his life,
>and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
>ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
>as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
>Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;

How does that explain their inability to easily
put away teams like Rice (picked to finish 3rd 
in the SWC), Detroit Mercy (picked to finish 
3rd in the MCC), and Bowling Green (picked to 
finish 5th in MAC) in decided fashion.

NONE of which received a single vote in the 
polls this week.

>If Michigan gets blown out of the water by
>Dean Smith's overrated group from NC, I could
>understand all the gripes, 

That's funny.  A UofMich fan calling UNC 
overrated.  

I assume that you just threw that out in 
passing, or do you have a reason to believe
(from something you have seen or heard from
them) that they are overrated?  I have seen
4 of the 5 games and personally think that
they are for real (of course I am slightly
biased).  Hell, even Orin Day thinks they look 
good (of course, that's nothing like having 
R.Clough think the same, but we'll take what we 
can get)!

>but not because of
>a loss to Duke where they could have won with 
>just a few breaks here or there.

If I remember correctly they could have lost to 
Rice withOUT just a few breaks here or there, 
then where would that have put them?

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: duke/unc coexistence
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:32:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.213042.22881@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:

> This is an interesting theory, but has it been supported by evidence?
> 
> Did Indiana's win in 1976 over Michigan ruin their rivalry?  How about
> Villanova over Georgetown in 1985?  Or Kansas over Oklahoma in '88 (or
> whenever that was)?

I think you're getting at apples and oranges here.  Maybe if it
was Michigan/Michigan State, or Kansas/Kansas State.  You're
merely describing conference rivalries, not in-state ones.

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Andre Reid Injured
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:15:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.173618.11213@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.135623.28455@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>|> 
>|> It took me a while to notice it....but it seems that you are actually picking
>|> on poor Andre Reid. I almost missed it. I suggest you come down here to 
>|> Tallahassee and _really_ learn how to pick on that sorry, no-good, two-bit,
>|> God-colored-me-black-but-made-me-play-like-I'm-white, muther fucker.
>|> 
>|> >	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>|> >"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
>|> 
>|> Kevin (have a nice fucking day)
>
>Finals going that bad, heh???

Finals went just fine, thank you. Looks like yet another 4.0 semester. My 
point was that Reid sucks. I suggest you try sitting through a game watching
this guy get bullied by every center and power forward that gets near him.

>
>--
>
>Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
>DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
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Kevin
From: jih@acpub.duke.edu (JOY HOGLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Basketball lovers dreamland
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:15:44 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec14.160959.6598@b8.b8.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
In article <1gg9k8INN8oa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:

##Someone take a look at next Saturday and tell me I'm not dreaming.  Basketball
## starts at 12:30AM Eastern, and proceeds until about 2AM Sunday! 
##
## Louisville at Georgia Tech
## UCLA at Georgia
## Cincinnati at Indiana
## Iowa St at Michigan
## Ohio ST at West Virginia
## Texas at Utah
#
# Don't forget the Maui Classic on ESPN, with LSU-Stanford and Duke-Depaul.
#

Actually, that doesn't start until 9:30 on Monday. There are games Monday
and Tuesday, with the final on Wednesday.

But it is on ESPN.


Joy
jih@acpub.duke.edu
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley anyone?
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:55:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz3wGE.M9y
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:
>As a matter of fact-They did.  On numerous occasions Dream Team players praised
>Hurley with out being questioned.  I don't understand what the big deal is
>with you, are you jealous?

	OK.. I was just wondering.

	Jealous?  Of Hurley?  Puleaze!!!  I respect Hurley as a great player
	in basketball, and a great point guard -- but IMHO, I still have
	doubts about his ability in the pro game.  Until he hits the NBA
	and really proves himself against the likes of Hardaway, KJ, etc,
	then I'll be a believer.

	Jazzy J

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: daveyang@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (God'sservant)
Subject: Chris Webber
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:57:31 GMT



Chris Webber's E-mail address: chris.webber@um.cc.umich.edu


   He hasn't used it yet, but does have an account!!!
From: daho_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dmitri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Maryland info
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:24:31 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Could someone post more information about Maryland basketball games?  I can
get scores from clari.sports.basketball but nothing more.  Specifically,
how have Johnny Rhodes and Xree Hipp been doing?  Thanks in advance!
                                --Displaced Terps Fan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:09:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center.

In article <1992Dec18.135948.34270@watson.ibm.com>, Christopher J. Born writes:
>
> BTW, one of the most interesting, record setting, strategic, etc. games
> played in recent tournament history was the UM-UNC game played during
> Michigan's run for the Championship.  Many analysts gave Fisher high
> marks for his coaching against Dean Smith.

Some people seem to forget easily things like that when it comes to Fisher.
The interesting part is that Fisher really outcoached Smith in that game.
In the previous two years, Michigan had better teams (+Tarpley and Grand).
However, they lost to UNC twice in the NCAA, as Smith outcoached Frieter.

A couple of interesting points. In the game with Illinois, Higgins rebounded
and scored the last 2 points to win the game. He attributed his success to
Fisher. From the Ann Arbor News, Sunday Aplil 2 1989:

# "(Interim coach Steve Fisher) has been telling me all year that shots
#  like that come off the weak side, so I put myself in position for the
#  rebound", said Higgings who ironically had only 28 offensive rebounds
#  all season before grabbing Saturday's crucial one.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Fisher is a great coach, but at least
he teaches the basics. These basics were obviously good enough to earn
him two trips in the final, in four years. Some people claim that he
doesn't do anything to help his team. Every coach has a different style
and Fisher's style seems is very effective and his players love it.
At least, this should earn him in the future great recruiting classes.

BTW, who would blame Fisher if the UM team could not make it to the first
round of the NCAA last year?  After all, they were starting 5 freshmen,
they were seeded #6 in their draw, and nobody expected them to be there,
in the beginning of the season. They were not even among the top 25.
Now that the UM team lost in the final to Duke, everybody blames Fisher :-).
They claim he had nothing to do with his team's success. So, 5 freshmen
take the team to the final all by themselfs, and Fisher enjoys the ride!!
Nice scenario, and it sounds like a movie for Disney productions :-). It
doesn't even qualify for a followup to "Hoosiers" as the coach there had
everything to do with their success :-).

> -Chris

--
Zaphiris Christidis
zaphiri(@watson.ibm.com @yktvmh.bitnet)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: acbonin@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin)
Subject: NESCAC: Any Interest?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:01:24 GMT

While y'all are woofin' about Division I hoops, I was wondering if there are
people out there who follow NESCAC hoops--home of some of the toughest hoops
and weirdest nicknames this side of the Adirondacks (Lord Jeffs, Ephmen, 
Polar Bears, Camels...c'mon...can you beat _that_, Big 10?).  I'd love to
be able to get results from the other schools and game summaries, and would
be glad to post my articles for the team I cover for our paper, the Amherst
Lord Jeffs.

So, if you're from Bowdoin, Colby, ConnCol, Wesleyan, Williams, Tufts, 
Trinity or Hamilton, let's talk hoops.

-adam
-----
Adam Bonin '94
Amherst College
acbonin@amherst.edu

"He who accepts evil without fighting against
 it is really cooperating with it."
                   -MLK




Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - Southern
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:21:36 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


Thad Bonaparte            6-5  PF  Charlotte, NC                 Marshall
Noy Castillo              6-0  PG  New Albany, IN                Citadel
Jeff Cliett               6-8  PF  Douglas, GA                   Georgia Southern
Chayim Cunningham         6-6  WF  Chicago, IL                   Appalachian State
Mark Donnelly             6-4  2G  Little Silver, NJ             Davidson
Shea Fleenor              6-6  WF  Beckley, WV                   Marshall
John Oliver               6-5  G/F Marion, AL                    Tennessee-Chattanooga
Andy Plum                 6-2  PG  Mason, OH                     Citadel
Hiram Thomas              6-7  PF  Groveport, OH                 Tennessee-Chattanooga

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DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:28:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

G G ZIPFEL writes:
>
>	A Friend sent this to me:
>
>A co-worker (the boss's wife) is apparently in a heated debate with others in
>the building.  She wants to know what a Hoya is, as in Georgetown Hoya.

I don't know. It's all Greek to me.


-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Don't be a stranger.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: Re: Rozier leaving UNC (was Re: Defending Louisville)
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
	<1992Dec18.145649.24448@brtph560.bnr.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:44:07 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:56:49 GMT, markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) said:
|> A rumor has it that Rozier left for multiple reasons:
|>  o he wouldn't get much PT with Lynch on the team
|>  o he wanted more offensive responsibilities without being bothered
|>    with that 'defense' thing
|>  o he was having 'academic troubles' and was 'coerced' to look elsewhere

Seems I remember he was also just generally unhappy there socially,
and that's a legitate excuse.  I tend to minimize the 'academic
troubles' as people making excuses ("we didn't want him anyways").
As for being a head case, well he had that rep before he left.

|> Plus, I hate Kenny for not attending UNC.  We REALLY could have used him in
|> the place of King Rice.

Kinda funny to think UNC would have had the now hated Hurley if Kenny
had decided he didn't want to be in the "stable" earlier.

peace,
 -raj
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: klewis@AFIT.AF.MIL (Keith A. Lewis)
Subject: NEED MORE INFO ON BRADLEY'S GAME (DEION JACKSON)
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:19:07 GMT

I hope the Bradley fans can keep me abreast of Deion Jackson statistics.  I 
would like to know what he did in Saturday's game.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:40:05 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu
In-reply-to: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 12 Dec 1992 19:25:57 GMT

}} In article <1gdec5INNdoi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
}} 
}} Why is it people compare Hurley to Price or Stockton, but Kenny Anderson
}} will be compared to Magic Johnson?  Hurley reminds me more of Magic than
}} Price (i.e., Price is a bigtime loser who never plays on injuries, and
}} Hurley has been known to play injured, and has had incredible success).  I
}} don't see any resemblance between Hurley and Price, but instead Hurley and
}} Magic.  (Maybe I'm just colorblind?) ;)

Yeah, I kept telling my good friend Mark that he should just ignore
that little ACL blowout and get back on the damned court.  Did he
listen to me?  NO! He went for the whole surgery and rehabilitation
thing.  A Real Man would have just sucked it up and hopped around on
one leg.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
          Did you use yew boughs to make the bows to shoot the ewes?

                  I meant what I said, and said what I meant.
           An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent. (Dr. Seuss)
From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Ohio State...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:17:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


The Buckeyes continue a perfect opening of their season (3/3) with
a win against Bowling Green.  Lawrence Funderburke had a career game
with 25 points, six blocks and 9-10 rebounds.  Greg Simpson had his
best game, getting 12 points in about 15 minutes of PT.  All of the
players from the bench got into the game, including Eaker and Wilborne
for the first times.  With a probable win at Wright State on Wednesday,
they should be on their way back into the top 25.
I for one am very happy with Simpson, but really disappointed with
Killer Macon, who has yet to shown any of his "Indiana Mr. Basketball"
skills.  Derek Anderson has removed his cast, and should be back 
before conference play starts, no sooner than the "Portland Classic"
on Dec 28-29.
Go Bucks!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Wolverine bashing?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:42:37 GMT

In article <ASH.92Dec14162645@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan  
Harder) writes:

> Orin, you're a bad man,

"I'm Champion of the World!  I'm a baaaaaad man!"

> you must repeat (no, not THAT kind of repeat) the following until you
> can't stand it any more: "Michigan is great."  "Michigan is great."
> What?  You couldn't stand to say it even once?  No intestinal
> fortitude.

What do you expect, another story?  I'm working on it, OK!
(But it won't be mostly about Michigan.  Sorry)

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: richarje@sonja4.acc.stolaf.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (12-17-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:45:26 GMT


What are the Sagarin rankings?  How did UMN get so high by playing patsies?
Was this system instituted by John Thompson? :^)

JT