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Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Re: How to obtain X button press info from character cell
From: "bill, ZK2-3/R15, 381-2313  17-Aug-1992 0930"
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 06:28:47 PDT
Reply-To: "Bill, ZK2-3/R15, 381-2313  17-Aug-1992 0930"
Organization: The Internet
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James Wilkinson (jwilkinson@lucy.claremont.edu) writes:

>How does one receive notification of and information relating to a pointing
>device button press event within a DECterm?  From a character cell oriented
>application, I'd like to translate such an event to the appropriate character
>cell, much as EVE is capable of doing.

If you want to program your own mouse button definitions, you could
do what EVE does:

    1.	Create a key_map to hold your mouse button definitions.
	The EVE V2.2-2.6 key_map is EVE$X_MOUSE_KEYS.  Look in module
	EVE$MOUSE.TPU for how EVE handles mouse buttons.

    2.	Define mouse buttons in the key_map, or trap them all in an
	undefined_key procedure.

    3.	Create a key_map_list containing the key_map from step 1.
	The EVE key_map_list is EVE$X_MOUSE_LIST.

    4.	Set the key_map_list on the windows in which you want to process mouse
	buttons (this is different from processing keystrokes where you set
	a key_map_list on your buffers).  In EVE$WINDOWS.TPU you will find
	statements like the following:

	    set (KEY_MAP_LIST, eve$x_mouse_list, eve$$x_windows {1});

	EVE$$X_WINDOWS is an array whose first element is the top window,
	and subsequent elements {2}, {3}, etc are other user windows created
	using the SPLIT WINDOW command.

Realize that you only get mouse DOWN and UP buttons on character cell
terminals or DECTerms.  You get drag and click events only using the
DECwindows interface to TPU.  In your undefined_key procedure you can
get the window (and buffer) in which the mouse button occurred plus the row
and column numbers by using the LOCATE_MOUSE built-in.  The LAST_KEY
built-in holds the key name of the last button pressed.  And, before
you can cut/paste between DECterms or other DECwindows applications,
you have to shut off TPU's mouse processing by using the
SET (MOUSE,OFF) built-in.  The following example works only using
the default of SET (MOUSE, ON):

procedure foo
local   x,y,win;
locate_mouse(win,x,y);
message ("Mouse button=" + str (last_key) +
	', buffer='+ get_info (get_info (win, 'buffer'), 'name')+
        ', x='+str(x)+', y='+str(y));
endprocedure

qwer := create_key_map ('qwer');
asdf := create_key_map_list ("asdf", qwer);
set (key_map_list, asdf, current_window);
set (UNDEFINED_KEY, asdf, "foo");

Bill
Former EVE/TPU developer
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Bill Robinson                               | robinson@tle.enet.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH   | Opinions are my own.

Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
From: nakagawa@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kent Nakagawa)
Subject: HELP:  problems with Kermit on the VAX
Summary: cannot set default terminal setting
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:48:45 GMT

Hi.  I'm a system manager of a small cluster of VAX machines, with a file 
transfer problem involving dial-in users and KERMIT.  We have KERMIT v. 
3.0.051 running, and it seems to work fine from any networked machine that
runs it.  However, we are unable to use the protocol when calling in from
an external source (modem).  Best example is one of dialing in from a Mac
to a gandalf gate and telnetting to the VAX.  Running Kermit to download 
files from the VAX, I get a "no default terminal" message, and then no 
commands will work on Kermit.  I can't even get it to accept a SET LINE
command to define a terminal.

Any suggestions are most appreciated.  Please send correspondences via email.

Kent Nakagawa


-- 
=============================================================================
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Bitnet:  NAKAGAWA@SSRL750			Department of Chemistry
Internet: nakagawa@leland.stanford.edu
From: ht@datani.dk
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:48:50 GMT
Organization: Datani A/S, Copenhagen, Denmark

In article <1992Aug4.081537@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
> 
> Sounds unanimous. I'll probably create it tomorrow, to allow time for those
> overseas to comment if they don't want it.

In future *please* allow more time for us poor sod's overseas to reply.
This message (dated 4-aug-1992) arrived here in Denmark this morning 
(12-aug-1992) :-(

The checkgroup message (dated 7-aug-1992) arrived here 2 days ago and
the newgroup message arrived yesterday!!

I wonder what will dribble in in the next couple of days - where I was
supposed to reply by last wednesday ;-[

BTW: I am for creation of the vmsnet.posix or vmsnet.vms-posix or
vmsnet.<anything>posix group.

---
Henrik Tougaard             E-mail: ht@datani.dk
Datani A/S, Software Consultants
Copenhagen, Denmark         Only my own opinions........
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: VMSNET.SOURCES Moderator?
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:28:18 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1992Aug21.124324.8933@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00mjstum@bsu-ucs.uucp (Matthew
J. Stum) writes:
>Can someone e-mail me the moderator's address for VMSNET.SOURCES?  I need
>to add it to our newsgroup so I can actually post something...

No, you don't. If your mailpaths file is set to point to a valid backbone site
(which means, in this case, a site the provides moderator aliases), your
postings will be forwarded to a special alias at that site that will in turn
forward it to the moderator. This way, you never have to keep track of who
moderates various groups for any moderated group that is supported by those
sites. Such groups include all moderated groups in usenet and VMSnet, and
probably others.

For more info on setting up the mailpaths file, and a list of sites that support
the forwarding, see the posting in news.announce.newusers that includes
mailpaths in the title. All moderated newsgroups in Gene Spafford's posting (in
that same group, among others) that lists moderated groups and their moderators
are supported by this mechanism.

For a short answer, here is the only non-comment line in my mailpaths file:

backbone        %s@decwrl.dec.com

(Actually, that's a lie since I'm a moderator, and there is a local moderated
group, but that's the only line you need.) Note that decwrl isn't the only site
that offers this service. You should look at the posting and choose the
closest.
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Xref: sparky vmsnet.admin:404 vmsnet.misc:724
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Notes-to-News software
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:38:31 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <1992Aug13.110313.982@dragon.com>, cts@dragon.com writes:
> 
> I'd like to start gathering current info on what notes-to-news software
> exists, and is in use.  

I did something, originally for the purpose of handling stuff
a little better on the DEC ISV NETWORK notes, and posted it
to vmsnet.sources a while back.

Monroe@DMC.COM added to this, and evidently has some procedures to
run in the VMS BATCH queue which will mail messages to his MX MAILER
mailer server and then insert stuff into a news stream.

I think I wrote the stuff in C and DCL.

-gjc

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Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin,vmsnet.vms-posix
Subject: Re: name of VMS product has changed...
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:10:28 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Followup-To: vmsnet.vms-posix
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


[Followups to vmsnet.vms-posix]

In article <2415@mitech.com>, gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette) writes:
>By the way, the official name of VMS is now OpenVMS.
>
>So much for vmsnet...

The official name for UCX is now TCP/IP services for VMS. Big deal. When people
actually start referring to it as OpenVMS in conversation, it'll be something to
think about.

Besides (semi-inflamatory personal opinion follows) they justify the name
OpenVMS by Posix compatibility. This will be a reasonable thing to do when VMS
Posix performs somewhere better than an 8086 based PC with 640K on my 32MB
VS3100/76. 

They could start by implementing the things that they said in a decus session
that they were going to implement. They went to a lot of trouble to set up a
satellite link to Italy so the developer could tell us what was in VMS Posix.
One of them was unix-style light-weight processes (complete with a cute drawing
likening a unix process to a sparrow and a VMS process to a vulture). I can
understand them wanting to get things out the door, but DEC hasn't acknowleged
anywhere I've seen that the performance stinks, and they haven't said they are
going to do anything about it. They are talking about Posix 1.1 as if it were
out, and it isn't, and they still haven't said whether it fixes any performance
problems (obviously, since they haven't acknowleged any performance problems).

Has anyone else noticed that lately all the marketting hype and even published
benchmarks are for software versions that aren't out yet? I've been reading
about Rdb 4.1 for a long time, I think since last year. It isn't out yet either,
but DEC has already published TPS numbers to convince everyone how great it is.
Slimy marketting.
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: name of VMS product has changed...
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:40:08 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

By the way, the official name of VMS is now OpenVMS.

So much for vmsnet...
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: posix for vms
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:10:43 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Followup-To: vmsnet.vms-posix 
Distribution: world
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <13AUG199209363837@sdcc22.ucsd.edu>, mmata@ucsd.edu (Michael Mata) writes:
> 
> I've just upgraded to VMS 5.5 and would like to use
> Posix vi utility.  Is Posix a separate s/w package or
> is it bundled with VMS 5.5?

The Posix license is included.  You need media and documentation.  I do not
know if the media has made it to CD yet since my DEC support person personally
uploaded a copy for me a while back.

Followups to vmsnet.vms-posix

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
Xref: sparky vmsnet.admin:400 vmsnet.misc:717
From: cts@dragon.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Notes-to-News software
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:03:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited

There is a discussion now taking place on DECUServe in the DECUSERVE_FORUM
notefile regarding a News <> DECUServe gateway.

The evolving thread seems to be heading to implementation in several
phased steps, after which the results of the step would be evaluated
before moving ot the next step.  My best guess right now that the most
likly implementation would be read only groups for a couple conferences
as pilots (assuming of course, that anything at all gets approved).

I'd like to start gathering current info on what notes-to-news software
exists, and is in use.  

I'm aware of three;  one is a version done by Dec;  anyone know any 
contacts?  I also am aware that someone did an implementation in
Mumps;  I also have  crude version in DCL and FORTRAN.  I'd like to
identify the best software to implement this, while looking to the
future of possibly adding the ability for subscriber or general
posts (not necessarily there now, but doable in the future).

  Charles
  cts@dragon.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: VMSNET.SOURCES Moderator?
From: 00mjstum@bsu-ucs.uucp (Matthew J. Stum)
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:43:24 EST
Organization: 

Can someone e-mail me the moderator's address for VMSNET.SOURCES?  I need
to add it to our newsgroup so I can actually post something...

Thanx..

--
Matt Stum                    Gwydion ap Myrddin       Ball State University
00mjstum@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu   Shire of Afonlyn, MK     Muncie, IN  USA
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Notes-to-News software
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:08:15 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <1992Aug13.110313.982@dragon.com>, cts@dragon.com writes:
> There is a discussion now taking place on DECUServe in the DECUSERVE_FORUM
> notefile regarding a News <> DECUServe gateway.
> 
> The evolving thread seems to be heading to implementation in several
> phased steps, after which the results of the step would be evaluated
> before moving ot the next step.  My best guess right now that the most
> likly implementation would be read only groups for a couple conferences
> as pilots (assuming of course, that anything at all gets approved).
> 
> I'd like to start gathering current info on what notes-to-news software
> exists, and is in use.  
> 
> I'm aware of three;  one is a version done by Dec;  anyone know any 
> contacts?  I also am aware that someone did an implementation in
> Mumps;  I also have  crude version in DCL and FORTRAN.  I'd like to
> identify the best software to implement this, while looking to the
> future of possibly adding the ability for subscriber or general
> posts (not necessarily there now, but doable in the future).
> 
>   Charles
>   cts@dragon.com

George Carrette did one that converts the content of an extract/unseen to a
news batch.  I'm currently using it to produce a read only gateway for the
ISVNET notes files.  The source was posted to VMSNET.SOURCES.  I fixed a couple
of small problems (it needed to be able to deal with mail headers) and passed
the modified source back to George for reposting.

The tools needed are:

        news-to-notes (vmsnet.sources)
        deliver (ditto)
        Notes Extractor, initial population of notes files (command procedure)
        Notes Extractor, production tracking of notes files (command procedure)
        Mail connection between extractor and gateway.

The whole read only gateway took about 6 hours to put together, including a
fair amount of hand holding to do the initial uploading of the ISVNET notes
files.  If you want me to do it for you, let me know and I'll set it up.

Dick Munroe

p.s. If you are working in "conjunction" with DEC, you might want to take a
look at PAN (an internal production, Pete N Andy's notes tool) which might do
yeoman's service for the other direction of the gateway.
-- 
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Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
Hudson, Ma.				FAX: (508) 562-1133

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From: mmata@ucsd.edu (Michael Mata)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: posix for vms
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego Campus
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi,

I've just upgraded to VMS 5.5 and would like to use
Posix vi utility.  Is Posix a separate s/w package or
is it bundled with VMS 5.5?

Thanks in advance.

Mike
mmata@ucsd.edu 
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich)
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: gnu
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:29:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.142102.982@nbivax.nbi.dk>, engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk writes:
|> In article <9208170054.AA02933@wheat-chex>, cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart
|> Cracraft) writes:
|> 
|> >       NOW              GNU 3.1
|> >       White    (time)    Black    (time)
|> >  51)  b2a3     6:51     c2c1B    2:28
|> 
|> Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
|> able to do the job...
|> 

One reason would be to lessen the inducement for the opponent to capture
it ...


...mike
Newsgroups: gnu.chess,gnu.misc.discuss
From: rbm2273@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.B. Mead )
Subject: GNU Chess 4.0 pl56
Originator: rbm2273@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:40:46 GMT

I have built gnuchessr on an Amiga 3000 using a unix emulation library
(by Markus Wild).  Everything seems functional except one thing...

I've noticed a small memory leak!  I would like to know if anyone has
verified the integrity of the GNU Chess software proper for memory
leaks?

The leak is a consistant 232 bytes.  It is reproduced by:

8> m
Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
chip    1898328    197800   2096128   1866496
fast    4117520   3746800   7864320   3043240
total   6015848   3944600   9960448   3043240
8> gnuchessr

Enter #moves #minutes: 0 0

White 0:00  Black 0:00

R N B Q K B N R
P P P P P P P P
- - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -
p p p p p p p p
r n b q k b n r

Book used 4606 of 30000 entries.
Playing without hashfile

Your move is? quit
8> m
Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
chip    1898328    197800   2096128   1866496
fast    4117288   3747032   7864320   3043240
total   6015616   3944832   9960448   3043240
8>
--------- End of Capture ---------
 (6015848 - 6015616) = 232 bytes
----------------------------------

I would like to know that I'm not chasing a known leak before diving in!
I also realize that it may be outside of the chess code (proper).

--------------------------------------
 Regards ... rbm2273@ultb.isc.rit.edu
--------------------------------------

Newsgroups: gnu.chess,gnu.misc.discuss
From: mann@src.dec.com (Tim Mann)
Subject: Re: GNU Chess 4.0 pl56
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:05:14 GMT

A memory leak of this kind is impossible on a real Unix system.  When
a process exits, all of its memory is reclaimed by the system.  I
don't know anything about Amigas, but if an Amiga process is
responsible for freeing memory when it exits to avoid leaks, any
library code that does Unix emulation must take on this
responsibility; you can't expect code written for Unix to do it.  So
if there is any bug, I would say it must be in the Unix emulation code
you are using, not in gnuchess itself.  

	--Tim
From: dwight@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dwight Robert Stone)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:44:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.Bt932y.C64
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash) writes:

>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>8 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>7 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>6 | *P |    |    |    |    |    | *K | *P |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>5 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>4 |  P |    | *B |    |    |    |    | *P |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>3 |  B |    |    |    |    |  K |    |    |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>2 |    |    | *P | *B |    |    |    |    |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>1 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>    a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h    


>This is the position just before c2c1B. My guess as to why GNUchess did this is  
>because its evaluation function "reasoned" that it was better to go with 3  
>bishops against 1 than 2 against 1. If the pawn would have promoted to a queen,  
>no doubt it would have been taken by the bishop on a3. As the game went, the  
>white bishop moved away.

>Sound plausable? Sound like something a silly machine would do?

	This seems more to me like something a silly machine would do.  When
you are up by this many peices it is almost always beneficial to trade away
peices.  Besides, if the bishop on a3 took the queen it would not be 2 against
1, it would be 2 against 0 after the bishop at d2 took the bishop at a3 (now
c1).  This would leave GNU chess with a white and black bishop and 3 pawns
(with the pawn in row a ready for easy promotion after the removal of the
opponent's pawn which would not be able to be prevented by the king (sitting
all the way over in f column).  Besides, two bishops (of opposite colors) and
a king vs. a king is a workable mate solution.
	As an aside question, is it a workable mate if you have two bishops
of the same color and a king vs. a king?

Dwight
dwight@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu         who knows if my employer has opinions?
-- 
No matter which road you travel down, all other roads get farther away.
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: trt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Tom Truscott)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:51:26 GMT
Organization: IBM RTP

>I don't understand the discussion about what move is best. Any position can
>be classified as follows: [6 classes are given]

It is not necessarily that simple.
At one extreme there are only 3 classes (won, drawn, lost).

But surely a position that wins in 4 more moves is "better"
than one that wins in 30 more moves?
And even among positions that win in 4 more moves
surely some are more aesthetically pleasing than others?
(I prefer the ones where the pieces are in alphabetical order!)

At the other extreme every distinct position has a distinct ranking,
so no two positions are considered equally "good".

Current computer chess play makes the above rather academic, however.
GNUchess does not "know" that it can win with an extra queen,
let alone with a mere bishop.
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (LOON M J)
Subject: I have no idea
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:58:03 GMT

What is this newsgroup about?

I've narrowed it down to a few possibilities: 
 	- Discussing the long history of chess tournements played by the 
cloven-hooved ungulate, the gnu. 
	- Discussing the game of chess by the cloven-hooved ungulates 
(gnus).
  	- Discussing the social and economic implications on the 
world today, as well as the contribution to world peace, if the cloven-
hooved ungulate, the gnu, could ever learn how to play chess. 
	- Not concerned with anything in particular.

Reply by mail.

--
Marc Loon <loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>
Student No: 8807871/X (just thought you'd want to know)
University of the Witwatersrand
Johannesburg

Conversation: a voice competition between two people
in which the one taking a breath is called the listener.
Newsgroups: gnu.chess