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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:26:35 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Sex in Movies

Ellen,
You may be right about my overstating the "homoeroticism" in
T&L.  Actually, let me just drop all use of this word which
I can't necessarily even define.  The MAIN thing that spawned
tthis reaction by me was the VERY final scene in which the
two friends kissed ... on the mouth.  Coming from where I
come from (in time, geography, etc.), I interpreted this
small act a certain way, which I concede is not at all
supported by anything that happened earlier in the movie.

Did you get my other post about Black Widow?  I'm curious
(as I said earlier, I need a periodic reality check) what
you thought of the relationship between those two
characters.  IMO, the filmmakers rather deliberately
played on the fascination (w/a sexual element, I thought)
that Debra Winger had for the murderous Theresa Russell.
\
--Anjani
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:24:25 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Bertrand Tavernier movies

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            27-Aug-1992 09:19am EDT
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SUBJECT: Bertrand Tavernier movies

    Here is Tavernier's film list, including the US release titles I was
    aware of. I don't know whether he has done anything since last year.
    Most of these are available on video.

    Short movies:
        LA CHANCE ET L'AMOUR (1964)
        LES BAISERS (1965)

    Movies:
        L'HORLOGER DE SAINT-PAUL (1974)
        QUE LA FETE COMMENCE (1975)
        LE JUGE ET L'ASSASSIN (1976)
        DES ENFANTS GATES (1977)
        LA MORT EN DIRECT (1980) [US: DEATHWATCH]
        UNE SEMAINE DE VACANCES (1981)
        COUP DE TORCHON (1981) [US: CLEAN SLATE]
        UN DIMANCHE A LA CAMPAGNE (1984) [US: SUNDAY IN THE COUNTRY]
        MISSISSIPI BLUES (1984)
        AUTOUR DE MINUIT (1986) [US: ROUND MIDNIGHT]
        LA PASSION DE BEATRICE (1987) [US: BEATRICE]
        LA VIE ET RIEN D'AUTRE (1989)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    P.S. It's good to be back online and on Cinema-L after several weeks of
    absence due to the move of my lab from Duke to SUNY at Stony Brook. If
    it were a movie, I'd title it NIGHT OF THE LIVING GLASSWARE MEETS THE
    MOVERS FROM HELL. It wasn't exactly what I would call a smooth
    transition. :-(  Anyway, I'm glad to see that our debates are as lively
    as ever. See y'all at the movies.
    MICHEL
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:00:43 BST
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Law & Order
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Re George Chastain's list of movies...
Was 'The Ox-Bow Incident' about ranchers who executed three men
for cattle-rustling, only to find their verdict called into
question by one of their own men ? Was that lone dissenter
Henry Fonda, or am I confusing that role with Fonda's part
in 'Twelve Angry Men' ?
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 11:28am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: BOYZ N' THE HOOD

That is an interesting observation...maybe that's why the Vietnam war was so
controversial and heartbreaking.  We saw people die everyday on the Six O'Clock
news.
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: The Law in Movies
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:37:10 EDT

In article <CINEMA-L%92082814474202@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
Jane Carver <CARVER@UKANVM.BITNET> writes:
 
>
>_Rope_ was an Alfred Hitchcock film.  Not one of his best, but inter-ste
>esting because of his trademark camera work.  It did concern two
>rich young men killing a friend to see what it would be like.  I
>thought when I saw it recently on the Bravo Channel, that it must
>have originally been a play, as the entire movie takes place in one
>room.  Anyone know if that was the case?
 
  ROPE was based on a play, "Rope's End," by Patrick Hamilton.
                       -- M. Kerbel
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:19:33 CDT
From:         John <S058990@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      info

     Please send info on your group

Thankyou
John
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:23:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      T&L

>That ending was all Ridley Scott.

Did Scott alter the screenwriter's ending? If not, I'd say
Ms Khallie deserves most of the credit here.

kjf-
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:46:00 CDT
From:         Sandra Ballasch <CADSANTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Plebian Escapism...

How about Fantasia or Beauty and the Beast?  Disney may not be
perfect but he does create entertainment with a capital E.  Fantasia
is my favorite video to just sit in front of the the tv and enjoy.

Sandra Ballasch
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Date: 28 Aug 92 18:05:31 GMT
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>>Wasn't there a Barbara Streisand comedy (w/Ryan O'Neal?) where
>>everybody ends up in a courtroom at the end and the judge is trying to
>>decipher all the events?  Hilariously funny, I seem to remember.
>>--George
>
>    Yeah, I thought _Nuts_ was hysterical, too.
>
>-scott

Ryan O'Neal wasn't in NUTS. It was What's Up Doc.

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Subject:      Re: The Law in Movies

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     27-Aug-1992 11:10am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
                                                  ELGFROEHRER
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Subject: Re: The Law in Movies

Well how about these:

Madame X

Legal Eagles

* The one with Henry Fonda playing Clarence Darrow, about the Monkey Trials

* There is one about Julius and Ethel Rosenberg

* Another one directed by Orson Welles -  it was about a very famous trial -two
  college students murdered this little boy, just to prove they could get away
  with it     - a true story.  The title was the last names of the two
  murderers, Dreyfus maybe?

* Yet another one about the first woman to die in the California Gas Chamber -
  starred Susan Hayward

* One more about the last man to be hung in Britain - this was an excellent
  movie

*I apologize for not being able to remember the titles of these movies.  They
say memory is the second thing to go.  I can't remember whatthe first is. :)
Anyway, I am sure with the knowledge that everyone has out there someone
somewhere will be able to come up with the titles.

Ellen
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:45:02 BST
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      RE:BASIC INSTINCT
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SPOILERS.........



>What did you think of Basic Instinct?  I've heard alot of people say that they
>were offended because the murderer is a lesbian and that somehow that gives
>people the wrong impression of lesbians.

BASIC INSTINCT does little for the reputation of policemen either. Michael
 Douglas
practically rapes his girlfriend early in the movie before shooting her
(his way of eliminating suspects) towards the end of the movie. He
has already shot two tourists as the movie opens and Rocky gets the
Dirty Harry approach to law-enforcement, too. Not much chance of a courtroom
scene in this movie. As for finding the killer, Douglas's character wouldn't
find her even if she was under his ..er.. nose.
                                     The rest of the cops are portrayed as a
bunch of leering slobs, as they drool over Catherine (Sharon Stone) in the
interrogation room. And Douglas's partner, unsuspecting but endearing to
the last, might as well have had a target painted on his forehead.
                                All in all, hardly San Francisco's finest.
Inspector Clouseau would have solved the case sooner.

                            John Smyth
                                Athlone, Ireland.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:25:22 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Fritz Lang-Cinemascope (was Cocteau)

Good point about Lang's _Moonfleet_, I'd forgotten he'd made that one.
Also interesting point about the application of Superscope, though I've been
a bit confused on this process.  The "comparison" Voyager Co. includes with
their Criterion edition _Invasion of the Body Snatchers_, seems to indicate a
genuine difference in the width of the picture, not just whether or not the
top and bottom have been masked.  Any further thoughts would be appreciated.

Jeff Clark
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:43:46 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            31-Aug-1992 09:27am EDT
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SUBJECT: RE: Films about Frontiers


>Date: 30 Aug 1992 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT)
>
>>Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:03:06 -0400
>>Reply-To:     Discussions on all forms of Cinema <CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET>
>>From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
>>>
>>    And I forgot the exact original English title of the adaptation of
>>    that other Jules Verne's classic "Voyage au centre de la Terre" (was it
>>    Journey at the Center of the Earth?) also with James Mason in the title
>>    role.
>>    MICHEL

>  James Mason was in the title role???? Now, did he play the center of the
> earth, or the voyage?   ;)
>
>  --Gayle Gleason

        OK, OK, let me rephrase that. J.Mason played Captain Nemo in 20,000
        LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA and he also played the main character in the
        adaptation of another Jules Verne classic "Voyage au centre de la
        Terre". I forgot the original title of this movie in English. Was it
        JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH?
        Better? :-)

        Now, I was otherwise confused in that message when I nominated
        THE DEEP. I was actually thinking of another underwater adventure
        which title also eludes me. Ed Harris and Michael Biehn wer both
        in that one.
        Finally, I would add THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING and THE TIME MACHINE
        to the list of Frontier films.
        And I'll stop here before putting my keyboard in my mouth again. ;-)

        MICHEL
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Subject:      RE: Jesuit education
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Ad majorem Dei gloriam... Loyola L.A. before it was Loyola-Marymount.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:57:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject: Re: Boyz N' The Hood
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I guess you're referring to DO THE RIGHT THING by Spike Lee - A very
different film than BOYZ N' THE HOOD - Since the themes are so entirely
different I don't think there's much room for comparison - I will say
that John Singleton has a much more straightforward and traditionasl
(sorry, traditional) style than Spike Lee - Both film are worth seeing
both for their demonstration of good movie making and their timely
"messages".

I have not seen NEW JACK CITY but my guess is that it is yet a
third type of movie that couldn't be fairly compared to either
of the other two films - Yoy're right that a lot of the publicity
efforts lump all these films together merely because a) they take
place in the black community, and b) they are directed by blacks -
Using the same critical criteria one could say that Spielberg and
Nichols fall in the same genre as well, that is the genre of white
men making films about white men.

My advice would be to ignore "the critical aclaim" (except for
what's on this list) and look at each of the three films in
question and judge it for yourself.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:04:07 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The law in movies

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            27-Aug-1992 09:47am EDT
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    In addition,

    SUSPECT, THE BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES, FROM THE HIP, THE UNTOUCHABLES,
    FLIGHT OF THE INTRUDER, THE STAR CHAMBER.

    I'll try to remember the titles of more films from which images leaped
    to my mind.
    Also, you might be interested by SECTION SPECIALE and L'AVEU, both by
    Costa Gavras (Z, STATE OF SIEGE). The first deals with the "Special
    Section of Justice" created by the French government under Marshall
    Petain in WWII France to expeditiously convict political prisoners. The
    second is the real life story of Arthur London, victim of the stalinist
    regime trials in Czechoslovakia in the 50's.
    MICHEL
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:07:42 EDT
From:         FETHE <fethe@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      ROBT. ROSSELINI FILM
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For some time I have been trying to track down a film made by Roberto
Rossellini in 1974.  The film is titled "Descartes," and I've seen stills in
magazines but never been able to locate the film itself.  I would appreciate
any help in locating this film.

Charles
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:10:18 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Who Directed Delicatessen?
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	I believe it was Jean-Pierre Jeunet, and Marc Caro.  I
don't know if Terry Gilliam had any involvement at all.
(I'm sure he'd like it though)

--
-scott
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:40:12 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: City of Hope

Did John Sayles direct "Eight Men Out"?  He plays a small part in it.
(EMO is about the Chicago 'Black' sox, John Cusack is in it, as well)

I also loved City of Hope...Anyone notice that Grand Canyon attempted
to shift to different stories within the movie by showing a helicopter?
In City of Hope, Sayles masters the same kind of transitions, but with
a lot more style and much more smoothly.  (Sayles uses different objects, not
an obivously repeated helicopter)


--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:51:28 CDT
From:         "A.J. Wright" <MEDS002@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Newt
              25 Aug 1992 09:24:40 -0500 from <JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX>

I just wanted to toss something in here...I am always amused when people start
complaining about the "dirty" political campaigns of today...go read a little
19th century American political history and you'll find out today's pols are
like choirboys compared to political races then...you don't know what a dirty
political campaign is until you've studied America's in the 19th cent.

A.J. Wright
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:41:12 CDT
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Subject:      Re: The ABYSS

>Think I like _The Abyss_ somewhat better than most of you who've remarked
>on it, but the only issue I want to raise here is:  Has anyone considered
>that the film is a kind of polar complement to _Close Encounters of the
>Third Kind_?  Aliens from below; aliens from above.  Two people divided
>brought together again by an experience of transcendance; a family separated
>by the same.  And an "adult" fairy tale as opposed to a child-spirited one.
>Make any sense even in this shorthand?
>
>Jeff Clark
>
Yes, Jeff, as I wrote earlier I saw the same thing
going on, and that was fine.  The problem I had
was how it switched so harshly from the action
thriller to that type of movie you mention above.
The movie (IMHO) completely lacked any kind of
transition.  It was like watching two different
movies.

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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Subject:      Re: T and L

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     25-Aug-1992 02:34pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Re: T and L

Anjani:

I respect your opinion of T and L, but I disagree with much of what you say
regarding this movie.  So, Geena Davis' character may be a ditz.  If that is
the only quality (?) you see in this character, perhaps you should give her a
second look.  She is ditzy because she is ignorant, not because she is stupid -
there is a big difference.  She is confused, funny, and wouldn't know
self-esteem if she fell over it. (Maybe that is why she went to bed with a man
so quickly after almost being raped.)  I think this trip was a discovery of
freedom (at many levels) for both characters.  It was also about being in
control.

Ellen
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:19:07 PDT
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Subject:      No Messages?

From:  Mary Shaffer



Have I been disconnected from the list? I haven't gotten any messages lately.

Thanks,
Mary
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Subject: Re: Boyz N' The Hood
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Anjani:

The movie you may be blocking on is called "Juice.  It too is a story about
friends growing up in the ghetto and how they choose to deal with it.  Yes,
of the friends chooses the straight and narrow, i.e., rap music, as his
vehicle for transition, the other chooses to gain respect through criminal
activities.  However, there are differences in the way the director portrays
the decision-making process.  Although both are similar, there are enought
differences to warrant seeing them both.

Adrian
Clemson
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:12:11 -0400
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Subject:      Re: The law in movies

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
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                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            27-Aug-1992 02:09pm EDT
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    And a couple more: NEW JACK CITY, SIDE OUT and for comic relief,
    GHOSTBUSTERS II.
    MICHEL
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