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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Uniforms and their colors
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:54:19 GMT

N2SX000 <N2SX@UNB.CA> writes:


>>   If uniform color is set to a department (as in the old series), then
>>why did Data use a blue uniform in Chain of Command II?  I always thought
>>that he wore a yellow one.  Also, why would command move from the gold

>Blue?  Have your TV looked at! :):)  It was red, same as Riker's.

>>in TOS, to standardized maroon (the movies - for all officers at least),

>The NCO's wore red uniforms as well.  If you look carefully, though,
>you might notice that the strap on the right shoulder is colour-coded.

>>to red (which used to be security "target" colors?  I would have thought
>>that the movie type would stay in for quite some time (they really looked

>It looks as if they did.  The crew of the Enterprise C wore similar
>uniforms.  That means they were around for about 60 years.

	I remember reading somewhere that the Red uniforms in TOS signified 
someone who had had only two years in Star Fleet Academy and those with
a yellow went for like four years or something and blue was medical and
science (Non-military function?).

	Anyways, can anyone confirm/deny this?

			CtB
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 14:43:14 MST
From: <AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject:    Ode To Spot

Does anybody have Data's poem "Ode to Spot" in a textfile? Could somebody
please e-mail it to me at AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET ??? Can't seem to find
anybody else who has it, and since I don't check the group too often,
I'd really appreciate it if somebody would e-mail it to me...Thanks!
From: mike@nttor.uucp (Mike Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:54:37 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom CAC

In article <1555@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Geezer) writes:
>Yeah, well we had a women in charge here for a while and I hope it's a
>long time before we have another! One Thatcher is enough!
>
Your problem was an individual, not the fact that she was a woman.
Don't assume that all women will behave the same way. That's called
prejudice. (And yes, I see the unseen smileys in your article,
and I hope you see mine too.)

Mike Hollander | mike@nttor.UUCP
From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Date: 28 Dec 92 09:39:27 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization:  Wright State University 

Jason Wong writes:
   Tim Lynch writes:
>  TWL> --Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know
>  TWL> what Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone
>  TWL> over it several times, but damned if I can make it out...
> 
> Didn't he just fall over?  Or was that just in the promo?  I think he
> was trying to repeat "6 years old...  only a boy..." or something like
> that...  I thought you put that down in your synopsis!

> Jason Wong

I haven't seen any posted answers to this question, so here goes mine
(or, actually, my wife's):

Sur la Mon D'Avignon
Oni(?) Danson(?)  .... (this is all Picard gets out...)

Oni(?) Danson(?)
Sur la Mon D'Avignon
Oni Danson Tu ta round. (Pardon my french... :-)

This is in a class with Frere(?) Jacque.


I had no idea what he said and when I asked Carol if she understood it,
she came out immediately with this song..  How she understood it is
beyond me... But I think she's right.

John Hansen
-- 
John C. Hansen
hansen@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil		"... I am working on
cse0080@wsu.bitnet			a suitable quote..."
cse0080@desire.wright.edu		- John Hansen
From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:03:45 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec22.160432.25786@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.161910.16223@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Spoilers Ho...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From Chain of Command, in refence to the new Captain
>> 
>> Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>> Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice
>> 
>> *This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
>> facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.
>> She was also useful in negotiations, being someone the others will trust
>> more easily than the Captain.  - Chuck
>
>Uh, well, this line is completely useless and insignificant to the plot,
>as it turns out in part II!
> 
>Jelico turns out to be competent and successful. Another astute observation
>on the part of our Betabimbo!
>
>


well if you know whats going to happen in pt2 then why dont you post
a synopsis here for all of us with little or no patience. thanks

foomshanka

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 06:32:58 GMT

Hey, let's just go back to ONE newsgroup. That way, there'd be
no way to mess up and post to a wrong group. ;)

I like the current system, but .current has gotten WAY too big.
I left town for 2 days, and I have something like 150 articles
to sift through. How 'bout making 2 .current groups?
.current.one and .current.two (something like that). Same
charter. Just pick a .current, and don't worry about the other
one. That's the only thing I have left to propose. I't silly,
but...

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 04:29:14 GMT

Good ideas, Scott. I still like the crossovers going into a
separate group, though. It'll be empty most of the time, you
say? Look at .info. It's virtually empty ALL of the time. Other
than that, I like it!

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I got me a pocket full of kryptonite...
From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TROI
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:01:26 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I happen to be a big fan of Troi.  I think that most people are 
{uh-hum} threatened that she is quite emotionally stable.  I do
agree that she should be made a little smarter, but all in all
she is a plus to the crew of the Enterprise.  And, I liked her 
outfits better than a uniform.  A counselor of the crew should 
NOT be in uniform and quite so formal because that would make
some people uncofortable, and her job is to make people 
comfortable and relaxed so that she can counsel them.

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From: wkwilli@srv.PacBell.COM (Warren K. Williams)
Subject: Re: Klingon From ST:VI In CoC (no spoilers
Keywords: Klingon/Cardassian actor
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:40:12 GMT


Please bear with me but this is my first posting EVER! (I say with some trepidation.)

The actor's name is David Warner.
Other works include TRON (as previously noted), the cardinal in "Ladyhawke",
and Bob Cratchit (sp) in the TV version of "A Christmas Carol" (the one with George C. Scott). 


From: wkwilli@dcg.pacbell.com
From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:18:12 GMT
 <1992Dec30.030652.6199@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1hstr0INNp1r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Why doesn`t someone post these .gif files?
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:21675 rec.arts.startrek.misc:13128
From: bo@enterprise.umd.edu (Geoffrey S. Elbo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Latest ST:DSN Schedule (corrected)
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:39:25 GMT
Organization: Physics Business Network, University of Maryland

In article <4631@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
><Here is the first of many postings regarding ST:DSN scheduling.
Which we all appreciate!

><1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
><  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
><  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
><  5   1/23/93  405		Babel
                 ^^^What does this number mean?

Thanks.

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From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:34:15 GMT



In article <C01L14.69G@rahul.net> kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai) writes:
>cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>>ynecelc@s1w3.sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>
>>>Is DSN running on NBC everywhere else?(It is in Montreal.)
>>>Since TNG is on ABC(in MTL), competition between the networks 
>>>will make both shows much more interesting.(IMHO)
>
>>Nope, no network owns [sic] it. It's sydicated [sic]. (In Grand Rapids, MI, 
>>TNG is on CBS and DSN is on FOX.)
>
>Bzzzzt!  Wrong again.  TNG is not on CBS nor is DS9 on FOX in G.R. MI,
>Though it is true that TNG is on a CBS AFFILATED STATION in Grand
>Rapids, so what.  And DS9 is on a Fox AFFILIATED station in Grand
>Rapids, but everyone else knows that ST is not on ANY network, period.
>The word, for the last SIX PLUS years is S Y N D I C A T I O N.
>ST is owned by Paramount, a major production studio.  Thank god for Paramount!

       What is a syndicated series? I get start-trek-TNG here on FOX. 
 Anyone knows whether DSN will be on fox here or will it change?

 Raja

>
>kjp
>Star Trek fan since '66 
>-- 
>Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tech Manuals
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:29:27 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <pavlovic.19.725609407@ehsc.orst.edu> pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.124730.1162@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
>>Subject: Tech Manuals
>>Date: 28 Dec 92 12:47:30 -0700
>>
>>---------------------------Original-Message----------------------------
>>
>>	I just got the Star Trek: The Next Generation tech manual
>>and was wondering.   Is they're a tech manual for the original
>>series, how about Deep Space Nine?   If so, do you know where?
>>
>>	LIVE LONG AND PROSP
>>	
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>-- 
>>
>>***********************************************************************
>>Patrick A. Dunae
>>History Department                    Phone:  (604) 753-3245 (loc 2130)
>>Malaspina University College          FAX:    (604) 741-2667
>>Nanaimo, B.C., Canada V9R 5S5         INTERNET:  dunae@mala.bc.ca 

>I had a Star Fleet Technical Manual back in the early 70's that was very 
>similar in format to the one currently available for ST:TNG.  Like a fool, I 
>gave it away a few years ago.  I don't think it has been available for many 
>years.  It's probably worth something as a collector's item, now.  So it 
>goes.

>jgp

The original StarFleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph (a personal
friend who mentioned my name in the acknowledgments to the manual)
*is* still in print -- and he does still get royality checks -- and
can be found or ordered at any major bookstore.

LL&P.


Without change,                         *David Barber*
   nothing can ever get better.            @}-->----

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From: cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Michelle Forbes (Ensign Ro)
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:24:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

> Mr. Hicks writes:
>I seem to have heard this somewhere earlier, but according to the
>current issue of TV guide, the producers of TNG and DS9 have been
>unable to entice Forbes to reprise her role as Ensign Ro. She is,
>they said,"just not interested." This is a damn shame, not only 
>because she is an interesting character (probably the strongest
>female character on the show) but, IMHO, the most attractive female
>cast member (on a list that what's-her-face Crosby doesn't even 
>appear on--gack!) 

   I'd have to agree with his opinion about Ensign Ro.  She's one of the
  better characters on ST:TNG.  She keeps Riker on his toes, out ranks
  both the doctor and Troi in the "looks" department, and works
  quite well with Geordi.  What more could you ask for..... well perhaps
  for her to stay on the show. :(


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From: bf911@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J Mulligan Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: A duck! (was Re: Tech Manuals)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 20:28:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf911@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J Mulligan Jr)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


You guys probably know this already, but a friend of mine just told me
yesterday of some "clever" artwork in the STTNG Technical Manual.

On page 11, there is the "USS Enterprise starboard elevation, section at
centerline".  If you look at the Main Shuttlebay, you see 3 large shuttles,
2 small shuttles, a blotch that must mean something then a Porsche.  If you
keep going right, you'll see a duck.  Further right, you'll see a person
with child, then a little further, an airplane.

If you go back the the Porsche, then go down a level and a little right,
you'll see a mouse.  There are a few other odd-shaped figures, but I'm not
sure what they are.  There is a sign near the mouse, but it is too small of
print for me to read.  Hmmm....maybe a magnifying glass would help....
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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:49:06 GMT

rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:

>dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:

>>I would assume that WGN's contract with Paramount is limited to local broadcast
>>*ONLY*, not for cable broadcast. Since STTNG & STDSN are sold to specific
>>"markets" (viewing areas), it would be unfair to those stations which pay for
>>the STDSN syndication to lose their audience to a cable channel, especially
>>if the cable channel pays the same price for the broadcast rights.

>    As I understand it, Syndex rules make this a moot point.
>(i.e. If my city, Lexington, had a station which had bought DSN,
>they would be allowed to block broadcasts from other cities nearby,
>just so that the above doesn't happen..
>    I don't completely understand this regulation, but perhaps
>Vidiot would care to comment on this?

Well, being home for break, I'll give 'GN a buzz tomorrow and see if I can
squeeze the information out of them.  It is possible, and I believe likely
that they will restrict DSN to Chicago only.  They now carry Murphy Brown
in syndie reruns at 6:30, but in Champaign, we get The Jeffersons 'cuz some
station in Decatur (which does NOT come in in Champaign) carries it, too.
As soon as I hear something, I'll post it.

I sincerely hope 'GN will be putting DSN on the sat/cable feed.  WCCU is
notorious for dropping off the air during TNG (Time's Arrow II, for example)
and I'd prefer a DEPENDABLE station to watch it on, for once.
-- 
Jason A. Lindquist		University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

   linky@uiuc.edu		"People don't get wooly!  They get WEARY!"
						-- Crash Davis, _Bull Durham_
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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 == WHERE?!? == The List
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:36:47 GMT


SIDE NOTE TO THE LIST. I only get to read R.a.s.c once in a long while and
don't always get the info. If you want the info to be on the list,
replying to the newsgroup will probably not get back to the DS9 list I'm
maintaining. I wish I could, but I don;t have the storage. If someone can
pull info off r.a.s.* compile & e-mail it to me it would be deeply
appreciated.

Th'nks
	Greg (a. Tapolow) 
	Maintainer of DS9 Station List

--
Begining my quest for the ultimate (working)    Greg A. Tapolow
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Subject: No Emmy for Stewart
Date: 30 Dec 92  6:05:49 GMT 
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Hmmm...After watching Chain of Command again, I have to say that I just
don't seen any award in it for him. His performance in the episode where he
was taken over by the probe was *much* stronger than in COC, but many seem
to think that this is the end all. I am sorry, but I just don't see it
happening---I will be happy to eat them words if it does, but that is my
opinion...

By the way, just how much is going to happen to Picard before he finally
cracks and becomes a raving loony ???  With all the stuff he has gone
through, I am amazed he is still in command of his facalities (sp?) much
less the Enterprise....

Dave
==============================================================
From: cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jamais Cascio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A historical note relevant to CoC (no spoilers)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 08:55:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

And another historical note, regarding character names:

The Admiral was named Nechayev, which also happens to be the
name of a 19th Century Russian anarcho-terrorist; for you
literary types, he was the model for Peter Verkhovenskii in
Dostoevskii's "The Devils".

Nechayev was an interesting sort.  Managed to escape from prison
by converting his guards to the Cause.

Thoroughly evil, though.  Let's see if the writers are giving us
a hint, or are just fond of Russian names.


Jamais A. Cascio             \\  "I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass"
cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu    \\                       -me
Department of Political Science\\    "Too bad you never had a choice"
210 Barrows Hall UCB 94720      \\                      -my wife
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: CoC inconsistency? (minor *SPOILERS*)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:34:40 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Matthew J. Henken (henken@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
>SPOILERS AHOY! ...[for Chain of Command part I]...

>Hope that worked.  Hell, its only a minor spoiler.
>
>The world that Picard, Crusher, and Whorf go to (Delos 3?) was thought,
>until the recent recording of subspace emissions, etc. to be uninhabited.
>The Ferengi with whom they book transport, however, is also supposed to
>make cargo runs to this planet.  Why would one make cargo runs to an
>uninhabited planet?  ...

My history may be poor, but I seem to remember that sea-going smugglers
would rather land in `uninhabitated' coves to offload smuggled goods
rather than in seaports.  Extending the analogy, one could make a case
that an "uninhabited" planet would be a good place to "make cargo runs"
to if you were crossing boundaries that were not meant to be officially
crossed.

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:40:35 GMT

In article <29030@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret
Newman) wrote:

> Why wouldn't Riker assume captaincy of the Enterprise?  They've offered
> him ships before.  He has the experience, etc...  Why doesn't anyone
> mention him?  

The reason has been mentioned before, and it answers your question very
well.  The Enterprise is the flagship of the federation--it would be
ridiculous to put someone in command of this ship who has *never* been a
captain before.  Career-wise, Riker was stupid to refuse three offers for a
captain's position on other vessels.  As much as I try to support the
writing for ST-TNG, I would probably stop watching if Riker got command of
the big E.  It's *too* unjustified for his experience, and it would be the
last stupid thing I would accept from the script writers.

James
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG and ST:DSN in Madison, WI, market
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Distribution: wi
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:51:40 GMT

In <4632@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>Because DS9 will be taking over the TNG Saturday (10:30pm) time slot on
>January 16th, TNG will be moving to Sundays at 11pm (currently occupied by
>the previous seasons reruns).  But, here is the good news, instead of TNG
>being shown a day later, acting upon my suggestion, WISC-TV got permission
>to air TNG a week earlier.  This means that we will see TNG before most of
>the country, i.e., the same weekend as the satellite uplink.

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

(Sorry, just thinking that now I'll be able to scoop most of the net with my
reviews. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.
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