HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:52:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

Paul S. Sears writes
> The only people who will benefit significantly from the  
posting of pricing  
> information are the vendors.  It is significantly cheaper  
to post a 100K rtf  
> file to Usenet hyping a product than it is to purchase ad  
space in NeXTWorld  
> or some other media...
> 

I disagree.  I think that pricing information would benefit  
mostly consumers, especially if we get a price war.

Yes posting 100K rtf is cheaper than advertising in  
NextWorld.  But adding the price makes it a 100.006 K rtf,  
a tiny difference.

I would consider a 100K rtf to be abuse of the net, whether  
or not it has a price in it, unless that 100k were packed  
with information, and not gratuitious drivel.

Remember too, that of the various non-commercial  
institutions that support Usenet, most of them do so for a  
fixed cost.  e.g. we have a leased line to Calgary whether  
we use it or not.  News is low priority so updates  
percolate when things aren't otherwise busy.

That leased line costs us 20K$/year I think.  For a  
community of 30,000 people + all those who tie in to the  
university.  If a tidbit I pick up of News saves the  
univesity a hundred bucks, it's paid for our department's  
share of the bill.

I repeat: information about competing products is always to  
the benefit of the consumer.  If company A and Company Z  
both are advertising similar products, then just the fact  
that A knows that Z is advertising a price of X will keep  
A's price close to X.  We all benfit, even if we skip  
reading the ad.
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From: fssmh3@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NextStation Color 16/400 For Sale
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:54:42 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I'm selling a new NextStation Color system which is still in unopened boxes.
System includes:

	- NextStation Color with 16MB RAM, 400MB hard disk
	- 17" Color Megapixel Display
	- Keyboard, Mouse, Cables, Sound Box
	
Make me a reasonable offer.

Email replies to fssmh3@acad3.alaska.edu -or- fssmh3@alaska.
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Mesa --- lack of database functionality
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:58:21 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Aug20.172624.689@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave  
Griffiths) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.143528.9405@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo  
Welch) writes:
>>>
>>>I have been trying to  convince Athena  Design to include a Unix   
command-line
>>>file reader. That is, a utility  that reads a  Mesa spreadsheet and outputs  
an
>>>ASCII data file (i.e. a command line equivalent of "save as text"). That  
would
>>>allow me to use Mesa to keep all my databases,  and  to  have  S or other  
Unix
>>>filters operate on a  database; or to dial  in and look  at the contents of  
my
>>>spreadsheets. (Even nicer if  there was an  update  mechanism.) Note that  
this
>>>cannot be accomplished through Mesa's API.
>>>
>>
>>[Soapbox on]
>>
>>Their API doesn't support this? It should! (Take a look at Improv's API -
>>beautiful). Not nearly enough attention is being paid to the possibility of
>>running apps on the NeXT in any way other than through the GUI.
>>
>>[Soapbox off]
>>
>>Dave Griffiths

OK, this is scary.  The WHOLE REASON I was going to buy Mesa was (aside 
from the great edu price) was MOLI (Mesa Object Library Interface).  My 
impression was that this was a real OO (not just c calls like Improv!)
interface to the app.  So what's the deal ?!?!?

--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
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From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson)
Subject: NeXTcube for sale
Reply-To: drew@fnbc.com
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:34:29 GMT

I'm selling my NeXTcube due to color envy:

      + NeXTcube 040
      + 256 MB Optical drive with extra dust filter
      + 7 optical disks (1.0, 2.0 and 2.1 extended systems on 3 of them, rest
          are filled with misc. sampled music and other copyright violations)
      + 16 MB memory
      + 330 MB HD (Maxtor) w/NeXTSTEP 2.1 installed
      + Monochrome MegaPixel Display
      + Original keyboard and mouse
      + Sony mini microphone (this is the cool little black microphone that
                              the NeXT field people used to carry around in
                              the bad old days.  It cost me $70!)
      + Full developer printed documentation set
      + 2400 baud Prometheus modem + cable

I'm asking $5400 o.b.o. (I pay insured shipping UPS ground).

A new comparable NeXTcube system (list) would be ~$9000 *without* the OD,
disks, microphone, modem and developer documentation.  Such a deal!  What a
bargain!

My phone # during the day is (312) 732-7650 and at night is (312) 324-1545 but  
e-mail is preferred.

--
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
|        Drew  Davidson          | "When you're jacked up on 3 pots of       |
|         Software Guy           | coffee it's easy to make a mistake."      |
| First National Bank of Chicago |             - Krantz and Stanely,         |
|     drew@fnbc.com  (NeXTmail)  |               "Programming the 68000"     |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Subject: Modems for sale - Neuron, Intel, Abaton
Reply-To: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:00:57 GMT

I have the following modems for sale. Price includes the documentation  
but does NOT include the cables. Please respond via e-mail if you're  
interested in any/all of these.

1) Neuron 9600 Fax/Modem. Includes a copy of Marble Teleconnect. I'll  
make sure that you get the current version (I believe they just updated  
it). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $400

2) Intel 9600EX. Excellent v.32/v.42bis that I've been using for 24  
hour/day uucp connections. Unfortunately I've thrown away the original  
box for this, but I do have the documentation. This modem can be  
upgraded to the equivalent of their current 14.4EX fax/modem. I'm not  
certain that Intel's offer is still in effect, but they have offered to  
upgrade this for a fee.  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $200

3) Collector's item Abaton Interfax 24/96. Yes, you can own this "first  
day of issue" original Interfax (serial # 37). I've used this for fax  
and (2400 baud) uucp. Works great for either, but only one at a time  
for now. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $offer

____________________________________________________________________
John Bartley
john@wpa.com
From: burzin@skat.usc.edu (Burzin N. Engineer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NexTStation for $2500
Date: 16 Aug 1992 15:23:07 -0700
Organization: University Computing Services--U.S.C.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

Brand new NextStation for sale
Used for about 20hrs. 
My friend had bought one next and one sparc and later opted for the SUN
sparc.
Still in original box. Please make an offer.
Serious offers only
The net will correct me if I am wrong but I think new ones go for about
$5000. 

Features:

High Resolution Monochrome screen (MegaPixel Display), 2 key mouseand keyboard.
High Density Floppy Drive, Hard Disk Drive ( 100M I think).
2 SCSI ports
2 serial ports
DSP port
Printer port
Twisted-pair and thin wire Ethernet port.
All manuals that come with it.

It comes in three original boxes. Buyer pays shipping.
If mail in the .sig bounces (It does sometimes) please use
burzin@usc.edu




-- 
Burzin Engineer                                 bne@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM
Systems Test & Verification                     (310) 524 7513
Teradata Business Unit
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From: rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: rolfe@ldp.com
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.154056.7054@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul  
S. Sears) writes:

(Argument over desirability of posting pricing information deleted)
 
> Apparently Mr. Wolfe seems to not exactly understand the
> issue here.  Usenet is funded by _many_ different
> sources, most of which are NON-COMMERCIAL.  These
> entities do not want to sponsor free advertising for
> vendors.  That is not the purpose of Usenet.  Usenet is
> a forum to exchange relevant information and ideas.  Not
> to provide "free" air time for vendors who feel that they  
> _must_ provide some sort of pricing information. 
 

Imminent death of Usenet predicted.

-- 
Rolfe Tessem				Lucky Duck Productions
rolfe@ldp.com				New York City
(212) 463-0029				(212) 463-7049 fax
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From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Mesa --- lack of database functionality
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:26:24 GMT
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.

In article <1992Aug19.143528.9405@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes:
>
>I have been trying to  convince Athena  Design to include a Unix  command-line
>file reader. That is, a utility  that reads a  Mesa spreadsheet and outputs an
>ASCII data file (i.e. a command line equivalent of "save as text"). That would
>allow me to use Mesa to keep all my databases,  and  to  have  S or other Unix
>filters operate on a  database; or to dial  in and look  at the contents of my
>spreadsheets. (Even nicer if  there was an  update  mechanism.) Note that this
>cannot be accomplished through Mesa's API.
>

[Soapbox on]

Their API doesn't support this? It should! (Take a look at Improv's API -
beautiful). Not nearly enough attention is being paid to the possibility of
running apps on the NeXT in any way other than through the GUI.

[Soapbox off]

Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: captain@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Andrew T. Foster)
Subject: NeXT Magneto-Optical Drive For Sale
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:16:21 GMT


	Howdy,

  I have a NeXT Magneto-Optical Drive for sale. I purchased this drive in  
1991 under the Buisnessland firesale. Apparently, it had been sitting on a  
shelf and had not been used. The creation date on this drive is late 1989.  
Obviously, its a bit old. These drives retail for $2,500. I would like to  
sell mine for $500. Why so cheap? 

	a> Its old.
	b> No Warranty.

  I have kept it well cleaned and have only used it for backups off my  
hard-drive. This drive is an internal NeXT Optical Drive R/W only for use  
ONLY in a NeXTcube 68030 or NeXTcube 68040 NON-Turbo. 
  If there are interested parties, please return mail to this address or  
give me a call at (608) 836-0631 and leave a message. 

	Later!

	- C

--------------------------------------------------------------------
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NeXT Campus Consultant - University of Wisconsin, Madison
captain@spock.cs.wisc.edu - NeXTMail Accepted
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:40:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.030724.1199@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com  
(Irving_Wolfe) writes:
=>In <1992Aug18.142949.2013@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S.  
Sears) writes:
=>
=>>If we allow pricing information (commerce) to be posted along with product  
=>>announcements (information), competitors will eventually attempt to  
"undercut"
=>>each other by announcing their products at a lower price.
=>
=>I can't think of anything nicer.  Both the commercial users and the
=>non-commercial users will benefit _greatly_ from this competition
=>if it in fact occurs.  However, I suspect Mr. Sears is as poor in
=>his predictive powers as he is in his sense of what's good for tha
=>world, and this intense price competition that would so help all of
=>us will never materialize.
=>--

Apparently Mr. Wolfe seems to not exactly understand the issue here.  Usenet  
is funded by _many_ different sources, most of which are NON-COMMERCIAL.   
These entities do not want to sponsor free advertising for vendors.  That is  
not the purpose of Usenet.  Usenet is a forum to exchange relevant information  
and ideas.  Not to provide "free" air time for vendors who feel that they  
_must_ provide some sort of pricing information.

The only people who will benefit significantly from the posting of pricing  
information are the vendors.  It is significantly cheaper to post a 100K rtf  
file to Usenet hyping a product than it is to purchase ad space in NeXTWorld  
or some other media...

I will not support the commercial exploitation of Usenet.
 
=> Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com      Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x101
=> 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399   fax x108
=> We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.   NextMail OK
=>Info free; sample $20.  Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com

--
Paul S. Sears                *  sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
The University of Houston    *  suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT
Engineering Computing Center *  comments, complaints, questions)
NeXT System Administration   *  DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC 
          >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<<
"Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: WANTED:  printer
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:17:06 GMT

anyone got a printer they want to get rid of?  must be in good condition.   
gimme a yell.

Shawn Broderick
shawn@monitor.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Prices in Germany
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:01:10 GMT


Could someone send me the German prices for
the mono NeXT station 8MB
105, 250 and 400 MB disk.

thanks

--
Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: kthompso@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kelly Thompson)
Subject: 2 modem cables for sale
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:34:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: Modem calbes 040 030

I have two modem cables for the NeXT for sale:
	1 Black cable for an '030 Cube
	1 grey cable for '040 Cube or Station.

$15 obo for each, I'll pay shipping in Canada or US.

Kelly
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From: rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu (Robert LaBelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NeXTStation for sale
Keywords: NeXT, sale
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:21:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Hello all,

I'm trying to upgrade to color, but first......

NeXTStation for sale:

Specs: 	   25Mhz 68040 
	   17 in. Greyscale(4) monitor
	   200 Mb hard drive
	   20 Mb RAM
	   OS 2.1 including development tools
	   from the extended release.
	   
Price: $3300 plus shipping COD

Thanks !
Rob LaBelle
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rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu
From: mgrmdk@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NeXT for sale with 3.0
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:12:33 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


Hi,	
	I have the following system for sale.

	NeXTStation 68040 8 Meg RAM 200 Meg internal HD other standard  
stuff
	Monochrome Monitor only a couple of weeks old
	Mathematica 2.0
	Documentation
	NeXTStep 3.0, as soon as my CD comes in

$3600 plus shipping, or can make arrangements for meeting if somewhere  
near the Midwest.

Thanks, 
	Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Subject: Modems for sale - Neuron, Intel, Abaton
Reply-To: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:18:30 GMT

I have the following modems for sale. Price includes the documentation  
but does NOT include the cables. Please respond via e-mail if you're  
interested in any/all of these.

1) Neuron 9600 Fax/Modem. Includes a copy of Marble Teleconnect. I'll  
make sure that you get the current version (I believe they just updated  
it). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $400

2) Intel 9600EX. Excellent v.32/v.42bis that I've been using for 24  
hour/day uucp connections. Unfortunately I've thrown away the original  
box for this, but I do have the documentation. This modem can be  
upgraded to the equivalent of their current 14.4EX fax/modem. I'm not  
certain that Intel's offer is still in effect, but they have offered to  
upgrade this for a fee.  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $200

3) Collector's item Abaton Interfax 24/96. Yes, you can own this "first  
day of issue" original Interfax (serial # 37). I've used this for fax  
and (2400 baud) uucp. Works great for either, but only one at a time  
for now. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $offer

____________________________________________________________________
John Bartley
john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Wanted: disk upgrade info and sybase
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:24:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.191045.22403@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
robinson@heaton.med.unc.edu (Gerard A. Robinson) writes:
> I'd like to upgrade my Nextstation's internal 100MB drive to a 424MB  
one, and
> am soliciting suggestions on methods, source, advisability, etc.

Installing a hard disk is straightforward enough. Make sure you are  
grounded. There are six screws: one that hold the case together, one that  
hold the disk drive and its mounting bracket to the motherboard, and four  
that hold the bracket to the drive. There are two connectors: one for  
power and one for data.

Configuring the drive is a different matter. Unless you know exactly what  
you are doing, you should get one that is pre-configured for the NeXT.  
Tecor usually has the best prices, and many people have reported good  
experiences in dealing with them. They can be contacted at info@tecor.com.

If you are interested in performance for the long term, get a drive that  
supports tagged command queueing.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.
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From: grio@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Daniel L Grillo)
Subject: Lotus Improv for sale
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Makemail: v1.10 + MMDF mods
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:56:25 GMT


For sale,

Unopened copy of Lotus Improv for the NeXT

asking $250 o.b.o.


			--Dan
--
 Dan Grillo   grio@cs.psu.edu   [NeXTmail, PrivateMail, MIME welcome]
From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:07:24 GMT
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Bcc: irving

In <1992Aug18.142949.2013@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes:

>If we allow pricing information (commerce) to be posted along with product  
>announcements (information), competitors will eventually attempt to "undercut"
>each other by announcing their products at a lower price.

I can't think of anything nicer.  Both the commercial users and the
non-commercial users will benefit _greatly_ from this competition
if it in fact occurs.  However, I suspect Mr. Sears is as poor in
his predictive powers as he is in his sense of what's good for tha
world, and this intense price competition that would so help all of
us will never materialize.
-- 
 Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com      Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x101
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399   fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.   NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20.  Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:51:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.160341.19574@s1.gov> dwight@s1.gov (Dwight Shih)  
writes:
> As long as we've started the complaint session, is anyone else out
> there tired of seeing announcements spring up in c.s.n.[^announce] ?
> This may have been warranted when the moderator was having
> technical difficulties, but the announce latency seems to have
> been acceptable of late.

Well I thought it was pretty clear that a number of us are uncomfortable  
with it at best. And oddly enough I'm a commercial software developer.

An idea that I had regarding prices which I discussed with Todd Nathan (he  
seemed to like the idea) was for commercial developers to implement "price  
servers" the way many have implemented "info servers". That is, set up  
accounts (such as prices@coolsoft.com) that automatically reply with  
current pricing information for the company's products.

I've found that when we *have* released pricing info there's almost  
something that we've left out ("I'm an educational developer that is  
interested in a site license for 12 machines and..." :-). An auto-reply  
price server could provide more detailed pricing info than one would want  
to put in a post.

A price server could also be used be people that are interested in a  
product to check up-to-date pricing without a need for a general usenet  
post when prices change.

So then posts could go back to having technical info only and no one would  
need to post product announcements to anything but c.s.n.a to get around  
the rule (unless someone wanted an unfair advantage, but who would risk  
the flames for that - well maybe a few people...).

Gordon

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From: fssmh3@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NextStation Color 16/400 $5600 obo
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:22:23 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I'm selling a new NextStation Color system which is still in unopened boxes.
System includes:

	- NextStation Color with 16MB RAM, 400MB hard disk
	- 17" Color Megapixel Display
	- Keyboard, Mouse, Cables, Sound Box, Manuals
	
$5600 obo + shipping COD.

Email replies to fssmh3@acad3.alaska.edu -or- fssmh3@alaska.
From: pitre@n5160d.nrl.navy.mil (Richard Pitre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: political propaganda in tag lines
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205616.13076@csi.on.ca> richard@csi.on.ca (Richard  
Martin) writes:
> Who's going to define what's political propaganda and what isn't?
> Even worse, the actions put forward in that .sig are openly
> illegal and antisocial.  The only criteria should be the law.
> If you want to look tasteless, that's your choice.  It's quite
> easy to ignore somebody.
> Richard.

I left a response to this in comp.sys.next.advocacy.

- Richard P.
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