HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:34:09 GMT

In article <ldoff6INNmo0@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Nope, it does not make you a tired intellectual, it makes you a pompous
>intellectual....

Geeze, if I'd known we were going to throw a Festival of
Ignorance, I'd have sent out announcements and
invitations.  Selecting the winner of the Phool IGM Ronzone
"Education is Evil" Award is going to be difficult.  We do
have some strong contenders.

PARTY TIME!
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:56:58 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.071838.3842@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.001737.10135@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>If we talk about one of those Eastern
>>Orthodox icons, of say St. Barbara, what's iconic is the
>>face of Christ on her handkerchief.

>Not to be an iconoclast, but I thought that was Saint Veronica.
>(I say this as someone familiar with the Western Church.)

Right as rain.  Seems to have been my collection of errors.
But I think I got the Holy Spirit right.

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From: harris@rubens.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Would someone repost the "questions for heterosexuals?"
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:08:41 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Hello, everybody!  Long time no post!

I'm the person with the glbo* association here that talks to the
strayt world (Outreach Coordinator, if you like fancy titles), and I
have a use for the "Questions for heterosexuals" post that appears
pretty frequently.  I think it probably just expired here...*sigh* we
have such a short expiration for motss...

Anyway, would someone please repost it?  I would say send it to me,
but the last time I said that fifty copies landed in my mailbox in a
matter of hours.

btw, I LOVE this job.  My last outreach was for a dorm activity
entitled (really!) "Star Trek: The Next Generation and Sexual
Orientation: What's the Connection?"  It went fabulously!  Forty
people showed up, and the RA who was running the thing showed clips
from some motss-relevant episodes, then we talked about the issues
surrounding the episodes.  But then, I was introduced, and we got off
into my favorite subject -- me!

It was question and answer, people asking me about being gay, and me
replying.  And it really went well!  The oddity of the activity title
brought in a lot of people who ordinarily would not attend something
like that.  And I really feel I had a positive influence on several
people.  It started at 7pm, and was supposed to go on for an hour.  At
10.30pm, twenty-five people were still there!

The RA, who apparently was the resident advisor to many of those
there, was asked if he was gay and he came out there, and it went
over very well.

Over all, I'm still just glowing from that experience!

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:56:19 GMT

In article <aka@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>The program itself is short
>enough that I am including it here.

It's sick.  Sick and depraved.  But fuck all, it's better
than the one I whipped together to find anagrams for "Harris
K. Telemacher."  That one rather overran my workstation, as
it didn't bother to cross-check with the dictionary and
simply spat out every unique combination it found.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pickford as Desmond:  in closing
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:28:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct14.002826.21042
Organization: insert anything here

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob >Donahue) wrote:

>> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> (Zzzzzzzz!)

>> 	Now for something, much more interesting and motss-relevant.

>Beautifully ironic.  A rather dry, rather *academic* discussion
>about early and mid-period cinema (and, perhaps, one of those
>truly 'great' flicks that 'never die') is too boring for poor
>little Donna Who.  Too many *yucky* historical facts.  

	No, you misunderstand (not difficult having the IQ of a carrot
and all...) - I didn't find the discussion of cinema history boring,
I find *you* boring.

>Too much
>*analysis*  Donna Who does not like to think things through, you
>see.  Donna Who much prefers to be told.  

	Snort.  

>And so it is left to
>the clueless, anti-history, anti-early-cinema-as-timeless twits
>like *moi* to discuss cinematic history in much depth.  

	Right and the clueless rarely contribute much worth reading.
After the first volley of "oh this guy is pretty dense" it doesn't
make much sense to stay awake for chapter two.  Melmon you have the depth
of an Ernest movie.

>Not having
>any 'fucked in this or that celebrity bedroom' stories myself,
>I shall have to leave this realm of enlightened discourse entirely
>up to Dear Donna, who I do hope didn't get too terribly sick from
>that drafty room.

	Ah - it's jealousy then.  Well, perhaps if you had a personality
that didn't constitute a metaphorical ipecac you might actually have
some friends and the potential for romance.  Given the way you've carried
yourself here, unless your e-persona (for what it's worth) is a far cry 
from who you are in real life, it wouldn't take much of a stretch to
imagine you're very lonely, craving attention, and unstable.

	At this point, I don't care to find out.  Your e-flatulence
has polluted my virtual space enough.  Have a nice life.

BBC

>
>Melmothra, ACC
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bob Roberts (was: Quayle Campaign Stroll Disrupted in SF)
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:01:55 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

[Oh dear, making myself late for work again...]

In article <1992Oct7.145825.9692@resonex.com>,
michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
> I think the thing that has astounded me most about this election is
> the blatant lying by the Republicans.
> ...
> What thoroughly pisses me off is that the media chooses to focus on
> the candidates' sex lives, and attempts to avoid the draft, rather than
> farm more serious issues like campaigns which purposefully spread lies
> in an attempt to influence the voting public.

Has (bother, is it Tim or Tom?) Collins' film,
_Bob Roberts_ been shown in the States?
(Or is it too near the knuckle
to appear during a presidential campaign?)

I saw it on Tuesday, and found it uplifting as an "expose'",
but it cleverly left one with the conviction that
the bastard was getting away with it.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*autophony* n. in the diagnosis of thoracic diease, observation of
the resonance of one's own voice by speaking with the ear on the
patient's chest" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com
Subject: Measure 9:  Why we have keep working
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:08:25 GMT

In article <43904@ogicse.ogi.edu>
     novick@ogicse.ogi.edu (David G. Novick) writes:

[Quoting a Burger King employee] (HOW could you eat there?)
>"The OCA?  What's that?"

>Having grown up in Oregon, I believe that there are a lot of people in
>this state that's like the Burger King employees--and some who are
>worse.  We really have to keep working.

   David (and others in Oregon)... do you think this is what happened
in Springfield?  Do you think that the group found by surveys (which
all predicted the measure would lose in the Springfield ballot)
consisted only of those who _knew_ about the measure?  And that, by
extension, the first time a lot of people saw the OCA statement of
purpose was in the ballot box, and seeing the words "outlawing
sadomasochism, bestiality, paedophilia and necrophilia," said to
themselves "Hell, yes, I'll vote to outlaw those" without really
understanding what they were voting for?

   *Shiver*  You're right... there's a gigaton of work left to do.

            Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
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From: dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Don Yarman)
Subject: Re: Traditional Family Values
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:04:22 GMT

In the spirit of Mark Morrissey's "ObMotssGeekMode":

ObMotssPedantModeOn

Tradition is always an invention.  Culture does not exist as a
hypostatized static form existing somewhere to be reproduced, but
is emergent in performance.  "Family Values" would then be defined
in performance, situationally.
     What we "identify" as tradition is quite selective, and always
at the service of the ideological needs of the present.  Ideologically,
the religious right needs to invent a "better time" that has
now been lost.  Selecting lesbians and gay men as the adversary,
they have shored up (no relation to *anything* Melinda might do)
the myth of the traditional family.

ObMotssPedantModeOff  (would that it were true)

The example of "traditional family values" was really quite helpful
for me last week, when I used it in my Ph.D. orals to illustrate how
tradition is invented.  All of this, of course, is really just
an excuse to tell the net that I passed my exams.

--Don
-- 
Donald L Yarman       _______/|/|   dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
                        (_)  \|\|   Yarman.1@osu.edu
"Hilary Clinton is a radical feminist, which as far as I can tell means
she's educated, or she has a job, or even worse:  both."   --Will Durst
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct15.012809.7194@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> In article <ldoun7INNr11@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
|> >Having dined with Phil Ronzone,

|> >I have found that though we have differing
|> >opinions on almost every topic, we do not have to stoop to insults.
|> 
|> Wasn't it weird to eat in silence across the table from
|> each other?  Someone might mistake you two for being married.
|> 
|> :-)

Actually... Here are some interesting Ronzone facts.  He has one ear pierced...
It is his right ear.  I thought this humorous.  He is quite civil in person.
He also likes to get people riled.  He likes to see how far he can push
people.  If he finds that he can push your buttons, he gets a thrill from
doing it.  If he finds that he cannot push your buttons, he becomes a
more reasonable person.

I would never invite Phil over to my house.  However, considering how
much energy I have spent arguing with him, I certainly think I gained
something be meeting him face to face....

Now, here's a question for you... If you were given the opportunity to
have a one on one lunch with Jesse Helms, would you take the invitation?
I certainly would... What about you?


FWA
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: gay vampires
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:53:52 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation


I observe that volume #4 of Ann Rice's Vampyre Chronicles has hit the bookstores.
I haven't read it yet.
Her previous volumes had some rather hot homoerotic sections when describing
how male vampires seduced male victims.
Then too, Ann wrote several of these while living in Noe Valley San Francisco,
right next to the Castro.  I think she has returned to New Orleans these days.
From: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Traditional Family Values
Date: 9 Oct 1992 21:11:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhiannon.sitka.sun.com

I am truely looking for the 'TRUE' definition of "Traditional Family Values".

Does anyone out there have information on where I can get this information.

Joyce
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:23:02 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>I would call all of these *exact* rhymes:
>loan; Joan; shone; tone; roan (a reddish horse); sewn

They all rhyme for me too, except shone, and I think my pronunciation
would not be too far from yours.  The 1983 Chambers Dictionary,
published in Scotland, agrees with me though: it allows only the
"shon" pronunciation.  In fact, to illustrate the pronunciation of the
"o" it uses in its phonetic respellings, it gives the three words
"got, shot, shone".

,
Eamonn Patrick McManus
Ms Man, mockup incarnate

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:12:45 GMT

In article <1atscaINNer@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu
(Tane' Tachyon) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.023256.13200@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve
Dyer) writes:
>>
>>Really?  It made me swear off screwing anyone with a tail,
[...]
>>and a first name with an apostrophe in it.
>
>Aw, fuck ... I hope this isn't a common reaction for people who've
>read Elf's stories ... though maybe it would explain a few things.  :-)

You mean that's not an accent aigu, Tane'?  Well, well, his casts a
whole new light on things.

--John
-- 
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johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Keywords: Whee!
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:35:13 GMT
Organization: MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION

In article <73130@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>r l reid writes:
>
>>Anything metal.  Especially if it's cold.  The edge of a cold Coke
>>can, properly applied. Any chrome plated kitchen appliance.
>
>And to think that poor Clarence took the hear for this.

Hee, hee.  But that was a pubic hair (hear?) not a chest hair, which would
be more likely to be found on MY Coke can.



-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.160228.29835@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:

>In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>[deletion]
>
>>Who's Janis Joplin?
>
>Just a failed goddess. Never mind. Of no importance.
>
>Can someone tell me why love is like a ball and chain?

Because they both come down on me.

Motss Relevance: I could have said "go" rather than "come."

-- 
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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
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From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:33:12 GMT

In article <1b4m1oINNaq7@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>Several days ago, Baby Gladys's number one fan was outraged when I
>dismissed his assertion that Madonna is an icon:
>
>Madonna is mega-powerful, mega-famous, mega-rich, but she is not
>mythic.  Oh, well, perhaps she is.  Madonna is like Proteus, but she's
>a Reaganoid Proteus.  Madonna is a wonderful example of the '80s
>huckster: she latches onto trends just as they're dying down among the
>people who are truly at the cutting edge (such as Voguing among NY
>drag queens) and introduces the trend -- watered down, of course, for
>mass consumption -- to her adoring public.  Two weeks later, once the
>receipts have tapered off, and she's doing something else entirely.
>Her guiding principle seems to be "get it while you can".

damn, i just used "get it while you can" in my last followup.
so much for originality.

of course tying Marlene with Janis is an interesting concept now that
i think of it...
-- 
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From: mcinnes@iiasa.ac.at (Robert  McINNES)
Subject: Gay Paris
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, Laxenburg, Austria
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:56:47 GMT

Hi!
has anybody out there been to Paris recently and managed to
get into La Banque.  How did it work?
Bob McInnes
elm mcinnes@iiasa.iiasa.ac.at
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From: buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Barbara Boxer (Re: Quayle Campaign Stroll Disrupted in SF)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:30 GMT

rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

>Quayle was in San Francisco yesterday evening to speak at
>a fundraiser in Chinatown for Republican neanderthal (and
>Senate candidate) Bruce Herschensohn.  After scaring a

So, how is Barbara Boxer doing in the polls? After reading George Will's
scary endorsement of Herschensohn and Dean being called by their campaign to
volunteer ("because she's been going down in the polls" they said) I am 
getting worried. Herschensohn is a raving maniac! He wants to abolish the
Department of Education, among other things. Anyone have recent poll numbers?
I had last seen Boxer at 22 points ahead but the person who called Dean said
she had dropped 8 points recently.

-- 
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vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
Feminism "...encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children,
practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:58:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct13.175834.24095
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct13.154646.15023@athena.mit.edu>
max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>>Seems about right, n'est-ce pas?

>Only *about* right, no?

Yes :-), really really right.  I think each is exactly
"isn't that so?".  The only difference is context.
"N'est-ce pas?" is literary language, "Right?" is informal
and conversational.

But somebody told me I was a pendant, just the other day.

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From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER)
Subject: [REGARDING]: Why you people alienate so many...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Salt Lick, UT
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:50 MST  

Well put.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:44:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct13.164458.5962
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

> You simply hate whites.

I think it may be very useful to read and appreciate Donald's articles 
as if you were reading the (hopefully now familiar) "I Hate Straights"
Queen Nation manifesto.  The parallels should be obvious.

I think he's expecting too much if he expects not to cause an argument,
but then, I suspect he's not not expecting that.  (Huh?  What did I
just say?)  Time will tell if he wants to get anything else out of it.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: carlton@scws8.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:26:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: scws8.CARLTON.92Oct13162617
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com's message of Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:27:09 GMT

In article <Bw2J1A.8F3@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

> I saw the debate on C-SPAN, too.  The ribbon was still there at the end
> of the debate -- one of my friends watching with me said that George 
> was probably going to have a cow as soon as he got off stage!

Fat chance.  I think there's ample reason to think that Barbara Bush's
public actions are planned/approved by the Bush campaign.

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

       My nose feels like a bad Ronald Reagan movie...
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