HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lsuki@IKARIA.NTUA.GR ("Levon H. Sukissian")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The Chairman Of EC says:
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:38:49 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

In article <1993Jan21.162312.18313@kth.se>, mixalHs writes:
> |>
> milaei h Dania gia Ellada... pws leme:
> eipe o ga.i.daros ton peteino kefala!
> an kapoia xwra dhmiourgei problhma sthn eok einai
> h Dania kai oxi h Ellada (pws len mastrixt;)
>
> mixalHs

Afou loipon eisai toso konta stous ksanthopaparakous tous Danous tha exeis
akousei oti o Elleman phre apo tous DIKOUS TOY SYMPATRIWTES to brabeio tou
pio BLAKA politikou (akribws etsi). Bebaia twra mas adeiase th gwnia, alla ki
o antikatastaths tou an sunexisei na uposthrizei thn prwth tou sxetikh dhlwsh
(tha sunexisw thn politikh Elleman) eimai sxedon sigouros oti tha parei to
allo megalo brabeio pou dinoun oi sumpatriwtes tou, to epishs katalhgon se
-laka :-)

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                                                    Levon the Macedonian
From: gdr@acs.bu.edu (Dmitry Goldenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Mail to Russia. Shit!
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:53:41 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gdr@acs.bu.edu


I just received a letter from a friend in St.Petersburg. He says he just
recently received mine, which was sent to him last summer. 

My letter was sent to my friend from Moscow by a truck driver whose name is 
A.Zakharov. He found a huge pile of opened letters from abroad in a garbage
lot and mailed off all he could.

Thank God there are still good people like this guy in Russia but I was really
pissed off by those assholes that open people's letters searching for enclosed
dollars (?!) and finally dumping them all. I heard the rumors of that a while ago
but I couldn't believe such a blatant (and stupid) thing could be actually
happening. However, with Sovok (even renamed in Russia) you never get tired of
its new surprises.

I guess for many sovoks it's a golden time now: they never cared for such
luxuries as elementary ethics, and now they can even stop pretending they
have any brakes in their rotten minds. They enjoy their newly attained freedom -
freedom to fall as low as they want.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: major@lubyanka.kgb.msk.su (Major Korovin)  
Subject: >Map of Russian Cities?
Organization: S- department, 'Lubyanka' Joint Venture 
Distribution: world            
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 03:47:45 GMT

In <1jkfuvINN6kh@slab.mtholyoke.edu> pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes:


>Anyone out there have an idea where I can get hold of accurate
>maps of Russian cities - in Russian - with the renamed streets,
>squares, etc.

>--Peter Scotto

Anyone out there have an idea where I can get hold of accurate
maps of American states - in English - with all strategic objects,
military ground installations, air- and ISM- bases, etc.

--Major Korovin :-) :-) :-)



Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Subject: Moya militsya menya berezhyot (Was: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:02:17 GMT

 Gospoda,

After the long discussion about Crime, I think we should talk a little bit  
about Punishment.

I'd like to know what do you think of cops here and "mentah" there.

Alexei

--
"...Organy?
       Polovye organy!
          Te, kotorye nas ..."
                                 Krasnoshtan
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Russia -> USA (DOGS) ??
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:30:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi!

I feel kinda lonely without my doggy who is in Moscow now. Want to
bring him here, but before starting the official inquiries about the
formalities necessary I would like to get some informal info.

Has anybody here on the net transported pedigreed dogs from Russia to the US?
What documents are necessary? What is the cost of transportation? And
what papers must the dog have to be legally allowed to breed in the US?

Any e-mail comments will be appreciated. BTW, are there any owners of
female Old English Sheepdogs around?

 
-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: good luck to a fellow networker
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:39:58 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

----------- begin forwarded message ----------

KYRGYZSTAN TO OPEN EMBASSY IN JERUSALEM. During his official visit
to Israel, which ended on 21 January, Kyrgyzstan's President Askar
Akaev confirmed that his country's embassy will be located in
Jerusalem rather than Tel-Aviv, because, he said, Jerusalem is
Israel's capital. ITAR-TASS reported that Akaev had added that he
hoped Muslim states would understand the Kyrgyz decision, and
called for the Palestinian people to enjoy independence.
Kyrgyzstan's Foreign Minister Ednan Karabaev confirmed on 21
January the appointment of Dr.Hasan B.Mutlu the Ambassador to
Israel. Welcomed by the Israeli officials, this appointment,
according to sources, has caused certain discontent in Riyadh and
Ankara. During his stint in the USA Dr.Mutlu gained prominence
by a staunch anti-Muslim posture, his ubiquitous motto "Kill Turks
and Kurds No Matter What" having driven bananas more than a few
emotionally unstable networkers.  Toyama Tokanava, RFL/RE, Inc.

----------- end forwarded message ----------
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:38:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan25.193824.19790
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <C1DI9r.49D@max.physics.sunysb.edu> LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg) writes:

>    Are you  kidding?  There are  and there  were  such 'bad  districts' in
>Moscow for  years! Examples?   Orehovo-Borisovo, somewhere  near Borisovski
>proezd or  Tsaritsino; Perovo,  Medvedkovo - well a lot  of places when one
>can't feel safe in the late night. The same in NYC - there are places which
>one can visit  only once; however,  there are safe  places, only few blocks
>away from the formers.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Greg

Though I am sure that Greg will not read my refutation (as
he holds Harvard in kill-file), but I have to add that,
on the matter of Orekhovo-Borisovo, he is bullshitting
(as I suppose elsewhere). Not only I am a native of 
Orekhovo-Borisovo and walked there anytime anyplace
for some 15 years with any kind of companions or
without and never was assaulted. My wife walked
there alone as well, and lots of my friends too.
I never *heard* about anybody getting assaulted,
though I know many of natives. My friends were
beaten in Yugo-Zapad and Universitet areas
repeatedly, though (and some got bodyly harmed),
but nobody - in Orekhovo-Borisovo. This is
a most quiet place in the whole city.

Misha.
From: arto@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Tsipliat po oseni schitayut ...
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:05:35 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>


        There is a Russian saying: tsipliat po oseni schitayut.
(count the chicks in autumn). I recently got a message from home
with a modification of this Russian saying: Tsipliat po oseni schitayut,
A Armian po vesne. (count the chicks in autumn, and count the Armenians
in spring).

        These folks are incredible. Under these conditions they are still
joking and making up funny stories about themselves.
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mail to Russia. Shit!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:14:53 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <106070@netnews.upenn.edu> burshtey@twist.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn) writes:
>
	>I guess for many sovoks it's a golden time now: they never cared for such
	>luxuries as elementary ethics, and now they can even stop pretending they
	>have any brakes in their rotten minds. They enjoy their newly attained
	>freedom - freedom to fall as low as they want.
	           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	That's probably what they think they need to climb as high as they can.
I like these guys using "They" and "them" as if they came here directly from 
paradise by mistake. Dudes, you were probably grown up there, weren't you?
There is no "them" only "us". There maybe "they" for our kids, not for us.
As for sovoks being able to do worse things then americans, we saw what americans
may be up to, in LA, didn't we? Those americans were a little angry with richer
neighbours, why do you think soviets are not? Neighbours are bit farther from
them, but we live in the age of information, are we not? I'm not saying that
soviets are better or worse than Americans, they are basically same. There are
good and there are bad. There are some who would loot and there are who would not.
And they are we.

Yury M.

>
>Alex Burshteyn.
>********************************
>I saw reality in my dreams.
>What a relief it was to wake up!
>	Stanislaw Jerzy Lec,
>	"Uncombed Thoughts."
>********************************
From: macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: What is Crimea's status ?
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:35:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

U53644@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>The last I had heard, it had seceded from the Ukraine, but that was a while ago
>, and I've heard no news since. So, did the secession stand ? Did anyone
>recognise it ? What's up ?

  There was a compromise between the Ukrainian & Crimean parliaments.  The Crimean
parliament suspended the upcoming referendum in return for greater local autonomy.
The Ukrainian parliament altered the constitution granting the Crimea "autonomous
republic" status at the same time it explicitly took away any right the Crimea
might have had to succeed.

  The Russian parliament has since made a claim to Sevastopol, declared the 1954
Crimean transfer illegal, and spent a great deal of time in closed session last
week debating the matter.  This has lead to continuing demonstrations by Russian 
nationalists in the Crimea.  There have, in addition, been counterdemonstrations 
by Tatars & Ukrainians as well.



						-PCM


  Peter C. Macko                      Internet: macko@pilot.njin.net
  STAR Semiconductor Corp.                      pcm@star-semi.com
  LCSR/Network Research, Rutgers Univ.          macko@cs.rutgers.edu
                                      UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!cs!macko
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 24 Jan 1993 07:32:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1jsp4iINN8kc@shelley.u.washington.edu> nobby@stein.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:
>In article <C1BwEw.Fw2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>
>[...]
>
>> >So let's restate earlier question, given that you are a person with a reasonable
>>knowledge of your surroundings, where would you feel safer in NYC or in
>>Moscow?
>
>NYC without a tinge of doubt. I rode NYC subway many times, occasionally
>as late as 2am, and hardly felt any jeopardy.  

>Contrariwise, NYC is reasonably safe. 3/4 of all neighborhoods are
>positively secure and the rest can be eschewed without any effort.

This needs a little explanation, which, in essence, is very simple.
Mr. Shmatikov obviously has a very slanted viewpoint, resulting from
a personal bias that I might  guess has arisen from his personal
experience in his earlier "stint" in Sovok. In other words, don't take
this post very seriously -- it's only weak and hardly eloquent misrepre-
sentation of reality. Your "subway experience" is very funny, indeed, since
the fact that you didn't feel jeopardy in NYC subway at 2am in the morning
directly points out that you either inhaled or didn't exhale.

>America beyond inner cities is not even worth talking about. My own
>experience is that in countryside Russia after 5pm it's an arduous task
>to find a sober male who is older than 14. Juxtapose it and any American 
>suburb. In fact, if one excludes inner city ghettos from the statistics, 
>the American crime situation appears quite decent.

 Quite decent? I don't know about Seattle but nobody would force me to walk
 through East LA barrios at night -- the probability of me being shot
 would be higher than 100%!!! As for the percent of drunkards in the American
 suburb... I don't know why did you compare Russian countryside and 
 American suburb -- usually people compare something that has some connection... If you would compare American countryside and Russian countryside, and 
 cite a VALID statistical source, I will consider searching for more
 serious arguments.

>nobby@u.washington.edu
>

The Impaler of American Dream,

Shura.

-- 
These fits of depression are torturing me
The lives that I seen won't breath again
A sad child of madness, they will never be free
Born again to die, the agonies begin...
		 -W.A.S.P. "The Heretic."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Human rights in Latvia
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:47:55 GMT

In article <Ry7ZXB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> ibezdech@netlink.cts.com (Ivars Bezdechi) writes:
>Frankly, reading your messages shows an obvious lack of information about 
>the citizenship rules in Latvia.  I am 1/2 Latvian-Estonian, but born in 
>the United States, and I have just registered for citizenship (my mother 
>is Latvian-Estonian).  Anybody who can prove Latvian ancestry can apply 
>for citizen just as long as they were citizens prior to June 17, 1940. 
Wow, how democratic !                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>
>I have ethnic Russians who are good acquaintances (friends) who came to 
>Latvia as a part of Stalin's/the Soviet Union process of Russification of 
>the Baltic States.  I have no problem with ethnic Russians when they 
>learn Latvian and act as Latvians.          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What do you mean by saying "act as Latvians" ? 
Is it something as nasty & nationalistic as your article ?

> My mother was FORCED to learn Russian 
>with the occupation of Latvia by the Russians....and frankly, I don't see 
>a problem with the Russians learning Latvian.  The Russians are the 
>occupiers. 

By pursuing demented tribalistic policy Baltic states are making
stronger radical nationalists in Russia. I imagine with fear all the 
consequences of these people being in power in Russia; Baltic 
states are going to be really scared by said consequences among the first.

> It quite apparents seeing the false reports of "Russian 
>bashing" by the Latvian that the RUssians obviously can't live with the 
>thought that they are no longer the masters.  In fact, nobody is forcing 
>the Russians to stay in Latvia.  If they are so unhappy, there is PLENTY 
>of space in Russia for them. 

Not deleted just for record. Hey, Tietapatami ! Your comments ?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sasmb@carroll.unx.sas.com (Miguel Bamberger)
Subject: Help with addressing mail to the Ukraine
Originator: sasmb@carroll.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:46:25 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


I want to mail a letter to a town in the Ukraine.  I have the full 
address in Cyrillic.  What parts of the address should be written
in English for the letter to get there?

Thanks!
-- 
Miguel Bamberger    | If you are going to do something wrong, 
sasmb@unx.sas.com   | at least enjoy it.    Leo Rosten
Austin Tech Pubs    |
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:06:22 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1jtn3hINNl4b@shelley.u.washington.edu>, nobby@stein.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:
>
>  [.....]
> 
> I am ready to repeat this stunt on request of anybody willing to pay
> my round-trip airfare to NYC. The subway there is absolutely safe
> at night.
>
>  [.....]
> 
> Crime in Seattle is non-existent as such.
>
> nobby@u.washington.edu
>
  
  I'm pissing off...
 , ,  ...

Serega 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: Need help on Odessa addresses!
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:54:11 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1993Jan24.195645.4222@socrates.umd.edu> okner@socrates.umd.edu writes:

> I am trying to locate someone in Odessa who has Internet access to aid me
> in locating a relative.  In response to an earlier posting, I got a
> listing of Internet address in xSU.  I searched the list for Odessa
> addresses and sent a message to 5 Odessa internet addresses.  These were:
> 
> 	postmaster@iitc.odessa.ua
>         postmaster@otb.odessa.ua
>         postmaster@cc.opi.odessa.ua
>         postmaster@ics.odessa.ua
>         postmaster@trhod.odessa.ua
> 
> Each message was returned almost immediately with "Returned mail: User
> unknown"  

Try system@... and root@... instead of postmaster. It may help.

You don't need  anything additional  to  mx%"user@node.subdomain.domain" (I
assume that you work on VAX).

Cheers,

Greg
From: st201@rosie.uh.edu (Cantrell, Yuette)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Tourist Advice
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:50 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan26.171559.24018@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, djd@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.j.daulton) writes...
> 
>A friend of mine will soon be going on a tour of Moscow and St. Petersburgh.
>Since I speak some Russian, she asked me for any advice I might have.
>Unfortunately, I have never visited Russia, so I am asking for advice from
>anyone on this line.
> 
>Since she will be with a tour, I assume she does not need to
>worry about routine stuff, such as finding hotels, restaurants, and so on.
>I imagine she mostly needs to know the following:
> 
>1. Fax pas.  Are there any American behaviors, habits, subjects of
>conversation, and so on, that American tourists should avoid in order to
>not offend the Russians.  And converserly, what does one do to make a
>good impression.  (For example, if she is invited to a Russian's home,
>what would be an appropriate gift.)
> 
>2. Souvenirs.  What are the best souvenirs to buy in Russia.
> 
>3. Dangers.  Are there any dangers that tourists should know of.
> 
>4. Must-sees.  She will be in Moscow and St. Petersburgh only a few
>days each, and I assume her tour will take her to the main
>sites.  But is there anything that might not be on the main agenda that she
>should make an effort to see, if possible.
> 
>Dave Daulton, Columbus, Ohio
> 
I was in Moscow and St. Petersburg for two months and I studied for that time
at Moscow State University.  I have been asked in the past what I should bring
and where I should go.  
    1)  When I went to visit friends at home I think it was good to give gifts 
        to the hostess.  It would be easy to get flowers because they sell them
        at the bazars and metro stations.  The gifts I took along were cas-
        ettes and other such things (T-shirts, pens, toys, and cosmetics).
    2)  I think Arbat Street is in a word monumentally-expensive.  I bought
        souvenirs at Izmailevsky park in Moscow and made some friends as I
        wandered around there.  The prices at the park are fairly reasonable
        and the people who sold items there were not so obnoxious.
    3)  The main dangers to watch for are the gypsies, they come from an idea-
        logy that stealing or buying anything they want is allright.  I would 
        also advise people not to walk around the big cities at night alone.
    4)  Tours can be somewhat drab, but I would advise you to see the Metro 
        stations in Moscow as they are truely amazing.  Izmailevsky Park, but
        only on weekends.  I would also try to see GUM, department store.  
        STAY AWAY FROM HARD CURRENCY STORES, they will sock it to you.  The
        prices are outrageous.
    Good luck and have fun.  It is truely an experience you will never forget.
And don't forget medicines and pleanty of socks.  Sounds crazy, but take my 
word for it.                     
                                        Yvette Cantrell
From: okner@socrates.umd.edu (Benjamin Okner)
Subject: Need help on Odessa addresses!
Summary: Looking for someone in Odessa who might help in locating relative.
Keywords: Odessa, Addresses
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:56:45 GMT

I am trying to locate someone in Odessa who has Internet access to aid me
in locating a relative.  In response to an earlier posting, I got a
listing of Internet address in xSU.  I searched the list for Odessa
addresses and sent a message to 5 Odessa internet addresses.  These were:

	postmaster@iitc.odessa.ua
        postmaster@otb.odessa.ua
        postmaster@cc.opi.odessa.ua
        postmaster@ics.odessa.ua
        postmaster@trhod.odessa.ua

Each message was returned almost immediately with "Returned mail: User
unknown"  

	Does anyone know whether these are valid addresses?  Perhaps the
mailing list is out-of-date.  Another possibility that occured to me is
that addresses that start with "postmaster" cannot be handled??  Maybe I
need to add something in addition to the usual "mx%" is needed to send
e-mail to Ukraine??  I would appreciate any assistance I can get.  

	Thank you.

-- 
	*************************************************************
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        *   University College       |   4291 Embassy Park Dr. N.W. *
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From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi (Tapani Hietaniemi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Estonia, Cambodia, and UN
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:37:32 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <12525@dunbar.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
> Tapani Hietaniemi has been talking of various international bodies
> finding ''nothing wrong`` with the human rights situation in the
> Baltics.  Hardly surprising!  I, for one, have not forgotten how the
> Khmer Rouge kept the UN seat for Cambodia while at the same time
> commiting some of the most hideous attrocities back home in the war
> against their own people and the legitimate gov-t of the country.
> 
> Hooray for Khmer Rouge, Hoorey for Estonian gov-t., Hoorey for UN!


You are doing a bad propaganda. Quote my postings, if you can and
do not try to put words in my mouth.

I have posted some pieces of news that document how the international
community is currently evaluating the situation in the Baltics (and in 
Ukraina, Moldova and Belarus). I have done that without commenting them.
Re-read them. The CSCE minority comissioner is now in Moscow. I will
report about his whereabouts as soon as I can.

The international evaluation and mediation is important in this
affair. And I am inclined to think that the contribution of the
Council of Europe and even CSCE will be important in the very near
future. Pozhivyom, uvidim.

with best regards
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
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