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From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Followup-To: poster
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:11:00 GMT

[Nice try at Followup-To... sorry not quite right]

ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:

)  What has this to do with the newsgroups `soc.culture.tamil' and
) `soc.culture.indian.telugu' ?  Please don't cross-post your
)  articles in this discussion thread to `soc.culture.tamil' and
)  `soc.culture.indian.telugu'.

kettle, pot, black, calling, teh u know!

Sridhar.
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Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Violence continues in Bombay
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:08:54 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu
Keywords: Violence Bombay

In article <1993Jan12.065152.28085@cc.uow.edu.au>, g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
|> bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
|> 
|> >apnews reports:
|> >	   BOMBAY, India (AP) _ Police fired on rioters Sunday, but
|> ........
|> 
|> >police, and 21 rioters were arrested in Bombay. In Ahmedabad, the
|>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> >capital of Gujarat, three people died from police gunfire, Press
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                     ^^^^^^
|>                                                        
|> >Trust of India reported.
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> When did it happen?
|> Is Gandhinagar included in Ahmedabad?

They made the mistake of assuming that the largest city in Gujarat (which
was how UPI phrased it) was also the capital.

|> 
|> 
|> Bye
|> Adil

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: Nos Tacemus -[The Satanic Verses] -- Icarus.
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:24:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.201239@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
    
>>    I agree that the book is heretic, but I do not agree that
>>    a heretic should be killed.
>
>
>Me too.
>
>The problem is that the image of muslims and Islam in general have been
>maligned to such an extent that Khomeni's fatwa was used by the media in
>the west to rob the average muslims right to be outraged and protest the
>publication of this book. It was assumed without comment that all muslims
>were blodthirsty people who supported the killing and were represented in intent
>by Khomeni's fatwa.

With all due respect: I am sure there are many many Muslims who
disagreed with Khomeini's fatwa, but precious few have spoken out.
Where are the organized groups of Muslims who speak out against
such behavior on the part of Muslim leaders, which, as you rightly point
out, is used by many to bring discredit to Islam as a whole?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Communist China and Peace, a cruel joke?
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:15:20 GMT

You must be joking...communists just cannot be trusted
Yes other politicains also cannot be trusted BUT we can
vote them out. Of course one would be jailed/killed of this
was suggested in China (recall Tianamem square, 1989).

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Its
nice for some Chinese to live in the USA and talk bull. Go
live a China for a couple of months and you'd get the true
nature for repression. Try giving a speech against Empreror 
Deng and see if you are still free next day). 

What about the
millions of Tibetan which were displaced and killed. Why is
communist party occupying Tibet and denying them religious
freedoms? My sympathies are with the (repressed ordinary) Chinese.
I totally dislike Maoist or Stalinist communism. How do you get rid of
communist party which are backed by 3Million rifles. Mao said power
is to be derived from "barrel of a Gun". BUT those who live
by sword also die by it (an old Arab saying).
From: rupi@ceco.ceco.com (Rupinder Bains)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HELLO! I AM WANTING TO BE MARRIED!
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:24:07 GMT
Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co., Chicago, IL

In article <1486@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, skumar+@pitt.edu (Suresh Kumar) writes:
> HELLO PEOPLES!
> 
> I AM SMARTEST AND HANDSOME MAN AND AM WANTING TO BE MARRIED!
       ????????     ^^^^^^^^

       smartest??  i can tell my this posting :)
       handsome??  according to whom?????


> I HAVE MBA AND WILL BE MILLIONAIRE SOMEDAY.
> 
> I AM LOOKING FOR QUALITY WIFE! SHE MUST BE VERY BEAUTIFUL SO WE WILL
> HAVE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN!
> 
> IF YOU KNOW OF ANY ONE PLEASE TELL ME WITHOUT FAIL!
> 
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> V Suresh Kumar 
> Exchange Visitor - United Nations
> 520, Learning Research and Development Centre, 3939 O'Hara Street
From: viswanat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Viswanath Vadlamani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Win Win situation for Muslims Hindus & Secularists at Ayodhya
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:11:38 GMT
Reply-To: viswanat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Viswanath Vadlamani)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: viswanat@happy.cc.utexas.edu

To broker peace between any two factions which go at each other at the
slightest actual or imaginary provocation is a daunting task for any
professional diplomat and yet in light of the Ayodhya situation there 
seems to be a plethora of passions pouring out from secularists, hindu
fundamentalists and muslim fundamentalists denouncing,justifying and
just about musing aloud their thoughts.

This thread of discussion has vituperated the environment with out producing
a solution so that people can get along with their lives.

The hindus claim to divinity of the land and the muslim claim of a mosque
both have merits to varying degree of belief.

The facts  before an independent india are:

i) Mosque which was closed to prayer from independence.
ii) Hindu god Rama on whose name the problem of Ayodhya is now on the news
renounced his throne and his place of birth and imposed self exile.( as is
evident from literature. )

In a situation where both claim the spot the only way to solve the problem is
i) give access to the land to both parties concerned ( which would 
create more hassles -- or somebody has to come up with a way to accommodate
both praying parties at the same place )

ii) deny the place to both by converting the place into a neutral non-religious
area like a hospital. 

The rationale behind the second solution is that if there are two contestents 
both are happy if both win or sulk but don't throw a fit if both loose.

Converting the disputed area into a hospital would require both political
finesse and a good propaganda machine. 


The idea is to win the secularists over and with them the majority of the
people on in the religious spectrum leaving the extremes with little power
to disrupt the social fabric of a country caught in needless confusion.


Viswanath Vadlamani.

.



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From: moinuddi@usc.edu (Asif Moinuddin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: For Indian MUSIC ON CD'S, Call 1-800-766-1818
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:48:12 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:12:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Mr Dim Sum Lien writes:
>On Chinese net we never see article like one which come from Deb Chatterjee,
>Samit Banerjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, Ed Crick, Deepak Bose, and Vijay Fafat.
>Mr. Banerjee and Mr. Fafat do very embarassing thing.  They bring shame
>to University of Southern California.  I am also student at University of
>Southern California.  I am ashmed when they insult other student.  It makes
>University of Southern California look very bad to student at other 
>university.  But I think I know why these people always sad bad word to
>each other.  I think it is the religion in India that teach people to
>be angry to one other.


	So Dim Lien, you've taken resort to the net after you could'nt
	convince me about your views on Communism and Vietnam war, eh?
	Given your Tibetan-Nepali origins, I cannot understand your facist 
	views about Government control and Indo-China dispute. There is also
	no way you can justify the communist rule in China to me and hence
	the heated discussions we've had in the past. However, that,
	in no way, gives you a right to start vilifying Dr. Bannerjee and me
	on the net without an issue-based argument. Samit had already told
	you the details about the '62 war. You still insist on your
	fanatic views about hegemonistic invasion of Tibet by China. The
	border dispute between India and China is a much deeper issue, which
	unfortunately, you do not understand.


>Indian have hindu and muslim who always fight and kill one other.  No find
>peace.  Cannot have peace in hindu and muslim if they must always fight one
>other.  In China we have Buddhism teach us to be peaceful and respect one
>other.  We not use so much angry word against other Chinese.  Buddhism teach

	O sure. Tell me the Tiannanmen story. And Gulags. And Mao. You
	do not understand a word of what Buddha said, just as the Muslims 
	don't understand a whit of what Quran is about, hanging on to
	the edicts and fatwas by God-damned Mullahs and Hindus get duped
	by the shankaracharyas and Godmen.

>
>Buddha must leave India because he teach respect and peace.  Indian not
>listen to teaching and make Buddha leave.  If you not want peace you fight
>forever on net and in India.  Indian student should learn Buddhism.  Make
>them fight less and work more in laboratory.

>Dim Soon E. Lien


	It does not matter whether one learns Buddhism or Jainism or 
	Mustafaism, as long as you don't know how to interpret it from
	a broader, catholic perspective, you're not about to have peace 
	anywhere. To say that China is peaceful is just as laughable as saying
	that the Islamic countries practise selfless brotherhood.

	FFT
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HELLO! I AM WANTING TO BE MARRIED!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:38:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <1486@blue.cis.pitt.edu> skumar+@pitt.edu (Suresh Kumar) writes:

>I AM LOOKING FOR QUALITY WIFE! SHE MUST BE VERY BEAUTIFUL SO WE WILL
>HAVE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN!
>

	You can perhaps shop in Kmart, Robinsons or the Broadway.
	Perhaps if you need something in bulk quantity go to the
	Price Club for good deals. Sears might also help.

	Best of luck.

	Shivanand Bhajekar
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Flash news on MOOstafa
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:11:19 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Some Grad. students at the Cowlarado School of Minds have cownfessed that
they've been testing their latest AI program secretly on SCI. Lovingly
called MOOstafa (for reasons to be clear later), this AI program was put thru
the classic Chinese room Turing test on SCI to see if it could fool the 
SCIers (arguably the closest in level of intelligence to MOOstafa :) with
it's responses. The test almost failed, with intelligentlemanlies like 
Samit Bannerjee, deepak Bose, Nishit Dey, PhoPhot moshai and Deb realizing
this was a free ride. But the grads are thrilled with the results 
nevertheless since MOOstafa can do wonderfool things.

When exhorted to write poems, he came up with gems; like:

Hickory Dickory Doki,
The Bose went up the clock,
MOOstafa fell down and broke his crown
And Nimmala came tumbling after.

MOOstafa was given a crash cowrse in SCI replying and he does funny things.
When Bose rams him (no pun on RAM intended) with the choicest epithets, he 
goes into the F mode (also F words) and reproduces the whole article, 
bashing himself once again (researchers are trying to track his 
sado-masochistic readings) and then ends up with a brilliant but wimpy line, 
"same to you baby", which is an apparent vestige from the days he was taught
" Mary had a littil baby". 

Researchers were stunned once when MOOstafa mooed, " The difference between
man and animal is religion". They had a massive problem of controlling the
dangerous religious tendencies amongst AI programs. Can't have them fighting
over mosque-itoes. MOOdarshan Ramachandran of USC is lending expertise in this
area to the grads.

However, 2 things trouble the grads.

1] The apparent fascination which MOOstafa has with animals. He flames 
Nimmala to get knowhow on the canine breeds (esp. the Pavlovian kind, cowrtesy
Dr. Banerjee :), Phophot to know about toads, Samit to know about virii...
actually, MOOstafa gets cowrious about virulent elements which can cause 
anything from MOOlaria to cowncer. That fits his tendencies which the grads
have fed into him since he is to be used as a secret weapon against India.
Pre-emptively dubbed "MOOstafa virus", this culture is supposed to have
outshadowed Crick's "retro-virii" and even the extremely potent "Doki-Rajat
virus". Dr. Deb has been developing a vaccine against him (called "Bose dada")
but can MOOstafa be cowntained before it's too late?

2] MOOstafa is known to go into an infinite loop everytime Dr. Deb calls him
:Asim Mughal's katlu donkey". The grads can't understand this since apparently,
MOOstafa should feel elated at the metaphor. If software types tRaiTors like
Sridhar Venkataraman can help, MOOstafa should be MOOchos Gracias.

Further research is being spawned (MOOstafa likes this :) and should see
publications by Dr. Godura soon.
From: sundar@risky.Convergent.COM (Sundar Gopala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sports Schools
Keywords: Sport
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:50:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unisys Unix Systems Group, San Jose, CA


This posting is from a friend of mine. Pl. reply at the address given
below.

*********************************************************************
    I am looking for a athletics training school within the U.S. similar to
National Institute of Sports in Patiala, INDIA.  Please let me know where I
can find one.

sadasivam_ramakrishnan%ngen-ss@network.convergent.com

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From: sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:02:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

>
>	O sure. Tell me the Tiannanmen story. And Gulags. And Mao. You
>	do not understand a word of what Buddha said, just as the Muslims 
>	don't understand a whit of what Quran is about, hanging on to
>	the edicts and fatwas by God-damned Mullahs and Hindus get duped
>	by the shankaracharyas and Godmen.
>
>	FFT

Well, China has an enormous potential to light up this world with the
teachings of Buddha.  Buddha epitomizes peace more than even Ram or
Gandhi (my opinion) If China is to be a torch-bearer of Buddha's ideals,
one way for it to start is to stop selling arms.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: Srinivas's questions. ( Was Re: Kuram Narayan..)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:03:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.154008.21785@crd.ge.com> srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.234828.18408@fuug.fi> an3919@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>[bigoted opinions deleted]
>[Srinivas's rejoinders deleted]
>In this sad times, I should commend for onething..
>Atleast you have the courage not to disguise your
>biases in sophistry and flowery language like many
>other '(psuedo) - intellectuals' on SCI. 


But he doesn't have the courage to post the opinions in his own name,
but instead has to take hide behind an anonymous handle.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sunil.d.patil)
Subject: Bombay is Bleeding and Burning !!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:00:20 GMT


Hi netters,

 I just talked to my mom and my brother in Andheri(east), Bombay.
This is the current status of Bombay :

	1. Army has taken over the law and order control of the
	  city.
	2. Local police force is assisting the army in their
	   operation, but citizens are suspecious that some of
	   police officers are also cause of the riots.  
	   A Police Inspector Mr. Khan in Andheri is actually
	   helping rioters as per the residents of Andheri.
	3. This massacre in Bombay started because two Hindu
	   women in Jogeshwari were burnt alive by some of the
	   muslim goodas and later they locked all the residents
	   of a housing society and burned them alive also in
	   jogeshwari.
	4. Curfew has been imposed all over Bombay.  It is 
	   relaxed for only two hours 6:00 AM to 8:00AM in the
	   morning for any purchases.  But shops are empty as
	   muslim goondas have taken over most of the highways
	   connecting Bombay with the rest of the country.
	5. Residents in the housing societies keep awake all
	   night and arming themselves with some crude weapons
	   such as sharpened iron rods, swords etc.
	6. My brother also reports that some the muslim worship
	   places in Bombay are full of guns, pistols, machine
	   guns but army or police is unwilling to do anything about
	   it as they are more concerned of public reaction.
	7. All the offices, schools etc have been closed for the
	   last four days and there are continuing appeals from
	   army personnel and political leaders to stop violence
	   and stop killings and stabings.

	8. All in all, Bombay is bleeding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	   Its a very sad commentary bacause I am a Bombay-it
	   and I love Bombay more than any other place.  Its the backbone
	   of India.  The enemy has hit us right in guts.
	   Let us all pray that the peace will return and our fellow
	   countrymen will be back on the road to recovery.



	Sunil.
	AT&T Bell Labs.
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bombay riots escalate
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:02:23 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

>This should apply to any rioter: whether he/she is looting, killing, vandalising
>or .... breaking down mosques and temples, right ?!!

I'd make a distinction between property destruction (shoot to maim then), and
the type of rioting where one is trying to bodily injure the other. In those
cases, shoot to kill. 


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF KERALA
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:01:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu
Summary: Well, what seems to be the problem...?
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !

Well, what seems to be the problem....?

Simply put, Kashmir and now Kerala want to become independent states.
They have shown a strong determination and majority in numbers with
conviction of their belief in independence.

Indians have always been champions of democracy and human rights, and should
be commended for that. Also the majority who are Hindoos are followers of a 
most peaceful and harmonious religion, namely, hindooism.

I am sure that highly accomplished and proud Indians should have no problems
with solving this situation quite amicably, and without any further bloodshed.

After all, please donot say that Indians are not experienced and donot know 
how. First, Pakistan and then Bangladesh are living and thriving examples of
Indian democratic and human rightist values. 

In fact Indians are so democratic that they will go out of their way in helping
and even participating in getting a part of Pakistan, then East Pakistan, 
independent, based upon democratic and secular principals.

SO PLEASE GIVE KASHMIR AND KERALA THEIR RIGHTFUL INDEPENDENCE, WITHOUT FURTHER
DELAY/ASAP/PRONTO/ON THE DOUBLE/   IT SEEMS, THAT IT IS THE ONLY CIVILIZED AND DEMOCRATIC THING TO DO !

Jai Hind!!!!!  Hindustaan Zindabaad!!!!!


Best Regards,
Shams Hasan. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajat@sunny1.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor)
Subject: Re: RAVI SHARMA OF PORTLAND... 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:29:33 GMT

From article <C0nKvL.FMy@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, by bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar):

> I think it would be nice if the Indian community in US gives total 
> hell to this Mr. X to bring him to his senses and to a level of a 
> decent behaviour. 

What guarantee does one have that Mr. X will not make his wife`s life
more miserable than ever...  The solution lies in his wife seperating
and starting a new life, and a total social boycott for Mr. X.

Rajat Kapoor
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9211578@cs.uow.edu.au (Vivek Beri)
Subject: BITS 84-89 guys....
Keywords: BITS, contacts
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:52:26 GMT


Hi,

I want to get in touch with BITS graduates... I joined BITS in 84
and graduated in 89. Math CompSc dual. 84B4A7288 (Apal Agrawal)

Please MAIL to next8!aagrawal@bmt.gun.com

Cheers, Apal


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