From: buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda)
Subject: Re: Something of interest...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:59:18 GMT


In article <1993Jan23.062511.1654@reed.edu>, pbray@envy.reed.edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>) writes...
>In article <1993Jan22.163513.1908@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>  
>buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda) writes:
> 
>> I know that a couple of us have said multiple times that this conference  
>is
>> being read by the authorities.  In fact, I would hope that people  
>realize
>> if they are on some of these 'Underground' lists, then the authorities
>> are also there and paying attention.
> 
> 
>	Yeah but who REALLY uses bombs that much today?  We aren't in  
>Belfast here (at least I'm not).  The incidents that happened at some  

If I remember right (from an FBI report) there was something like close
to 1,000 actual bombs that went off or were defused in the US last year.
Idoubt even Belfast has that many.

>college involving exploding 2-litre bottles is hardly a serious concern.   
>You're right, bomb making is not new.  Further, it is not new for most  
>people to act sensibly.  If a person has the predisposition to make bombs  
>I can surely tell you that the existence or non-existence of this  
>newsgroup would have little effect on his propensity for, and ability to  
>carry out, destruction etc..  

Nice conjecture, but I think you will find out over the next year or so
this will be proved false.  More people who are caught are being found
with information that was gotten off of the computer.

If you were the BATF and were trying to find out where bombs were being made,
we you go to the library or to a place like rec.pyro where people are talking
about it?  Not just simple bombs, but all sorts of stupid things.

>	Personally, I have never made any major devices mentioned on this  
>newsgroup and I suspect that most people here haven't either.  Yeah, I've  

So you become the average american because you have not created a bomb?  I
think you would be suprised at how many actually have created bombs of
one type or another.

I have been amazed over the years at the people who HAVE made bombs of various
types.  You would be amazed too.

>filled condoms up with hydrogen etc. but this is not really a problem.   
>People who have the priveledges to play on the computer and learn such  
>esoteric things as pyrotechnics are usually from environements where crime  
>and criminal predisposition are very rare.

Getting access is not much of a privlege now days.  Kids in high school have
easy access, more than you ever had in high school or I for that matter.

You have made a sweeping statements on how you see the world.  I have seen
it differently and know that there are a lot more rocks to turn, then you
or I will have time to turn.  Under each of those rocks are some pretty
crazy and scarey things.  Get on some underground BBS's and learn a little - 
you will change your tune...

>The authorities should be  
>paying attention to more pressing matters - to specific environments where  
>dangerous activity is far too common.  Compared to the number of gun shot  
>deaths, death by bomb has to be exceedingly low.  Concentrate where  
>concentration is needed.

What they should be doing and what they are doing - are much different.  
They are watching.  You have been warned.  You think this as fun.  They
think of this as a job to catch someone doing something illegal.


	- mark

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