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From: gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: Why no commercial postings?
Organization: Mendelson Computer Consulting
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:40:24 GMT

andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:

>There really is no "Internet policy" or "Usenet policy" since there really  
>isn't any type of organization. It's really just anarachy and some people have  
>these rules and some people make up these rules, but they really aren't  
>enforcable.  The worst that can happen is you can loose your feed IF you do  
>something that ticks off the people who feed you.  Really it's just a bunch of  
>computers moving bits around.  There really isn't anything stopping companies  
>from using the Usenet to their advantage.  However, blasting Usenet with ads  
>doesn't work since generally you end up pissing people off and for some other  
>reasons.  There are much more productive ways for companies to spend their  
>advertising energies.

There is nothing stoping commercial postings, but many pieces of the net 
are funded by not-for-profit goverment agencies (like the NSF). The money
is given with the provision that it not be used for commercial gain. If
someone were to use the net for commercial advertisements, these sites would
be obligated to stop forwarding their postings.

Since their price for forwarding the postings would be the loss of the funds 
they need to support the net, you can be sure they would cut you off. 

I expect that the flames from everyone else would toast them long before it
got that bad.

Note that even sites that charge for net access such as uunet, do so as
cost recovery. uunet is a not-for-profit organization.

Geoff
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From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re: PRICE REDUCED: MFM Hardd
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:58:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr8.035851.6825
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

gterpin@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (gregory.d.terpin) writes:
>BH> 
>BH> AG>=-Micropolis 1325/1335 (I have one of each model left)
>BH> AG>=-71Mb (formatted)
>BH> AG>=-28ms
>BH> AG>=-MFM
>BH> AG>=-5 1/4'', FH, internal
>BH> AG>=-1024cyl/8heads/17sectors
>BH> AG>=-rotary voice coil positioning
>BH> AG>=-automatic park and lock
>BH> 
>BH> AG>=-$180/BRO
>BH> 
>BH> Why so cheap?
>
>What's your point?  If you're interested, make Alex an offer or
>buy it for his "cheap" price.

I bought one of these here on the net for $150 or so, postpaid.
It was a fairly good deal.  The drive is quite heavy.  Full height.
I don't see how $180 is unreasonable for something as perishable
as a hard drive, especially when it's a full height model (which
a lot of people won't touch).

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   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%ellis@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@ellis.uchicago.edu           rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: hd5r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Hasan  Dossal)
Subject: HP Laserjet to Mac Inteface Kit
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:06:08 GMT

I have the following items for sale at a reduced price.

  

1)  Lotus 1-2-3 for Mac.  Disks and manuals.  Asking $125.  This program
    retails for $300+ (Sold)

2)  Hewlett Packard's HP Interface Kit.  Kit allows Macintosh computers to
    print to any HP Laserjet printer, while simultaneously supporting the
    printing from IBM compatible machines.
    Kit contains adapter board for printer, cable, software and manuals.
    Asking $175.



Contact

Hasan Dossal
804-295-8552
hd5r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU
From: wind@cereal.bae.bellcore.com (Wind Chen)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: MFM FD/HD controller and ST-4038 30MB HD fro sale
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:56:28 GMT
Reply-To: wind@bea.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research


MFM FD/HD controller - $30.
ST-4038, 30MB, FH, 39ms access, auto-park - $60.
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Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: WANTED: Describe for OS/2
Reply-To: prs9k@virginia.edu
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:19:54 GMT

I am looking for someone who would be willing to sell their copy of the
Describe word processor for OS/2.  Please email me with a price.
Thanks.


	-Phil
Xref: sparky misc.forsale.computers:17928 ne.forsale:1726 misc.wanted:5135 ne.wanted:517
From: tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,ne.forsale,misc.wanted,ne.wanted
Subject: WANTED: USR HST 14.4 cheap
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:40:34 GMT
Followup-To: misc.forsale.computers
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Looking for a used USR HST 14.4k v.42/v.42bis cheap!
Anyone upgrading to the 16.8k or DS and looking to sell off their old one?

Please email me at the addess below.

Thanks,
Tom

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Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: weverka@csn.org (Robert T. Weverka)
Subject: Mac Plus for sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:35:37 GMT


First three columns are maya prices. last column is my price.

From Maya used mac catalog winter 91-92

Mac Plus        525    525              500
external 800    129    129              100
40 M HD         299    299              190
1200 modem       29     29               30
ImagewriterII   249           249       200
Thunderscan      99            99        70

               1291    982    309       820+270= 1090
I am selling the Mac Plus vintage Fall '86 with all original inards.
I personally modified the power board (and did it right)  new cap
which is better rated than original, and a new monitor connector.
the resistor which tells it 4 M RAM is installed, has been clipped.
It has been resoldered and the original RAM chips reinstalled.

original keyboard, 1200 modem with cable, internal 800 (original)
external 800 drive (third party).  All for $820. you pay shipping
  Oh! and you get all the original boxes and packing material.
  And I will include Larry Pina's Macintosh Repair Secrets.
Everything works perfectly.

Also thinking of selling Imagewriter with Thunderscan and software.
Will supply System software and copies of my favorite shareware products.
The Imagewriter prices are for package deal.

Thanks, -Ted

Xref: sparky misc.forsale.computers:17791 misc.forsale:14094
From: eric@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Eric F. Dorondo)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale
Subject: WIN 3.0, was 40$, now 20$
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:55:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR

Due to the oversight on my part, everyone was right, this was ridiculous
to ask 40$ for this!  I hope 20$ is more in line.

	Microsoft Windows 3.0 for sale
		- manual
		- original disks - 3.5"
		- $20 OBO

	Sorry, but these were already registered, but I think you can up-
	grade with just the front cover of the original manual. The manual
	is complete, no pages missing.
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,rec.radio.swap
From: fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford)
Subject: 2M HT, hd, etc.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:18:22 GMT

====  =================================================================

$250  Alinco DJ-160T 2M HT, 20 memories, scanning, tone pad, & more.
        comes with standard battery pack (EBP-10N), recharger (EDC-21),
        cigar lighter plug with filter (EDC-16), rubber duck, and
        leatherette case (ESC-10).
        Purchased in fall of 91, less than 10 hours xmit time.

$195  Seagate ST277R-1 RLL 65Meg 28ms 5.25" half-height hard drive
        lightly used for just one year

 $50  Western Digital 1006SVR2 RLL 1:1 2F/2H disk contoller

 $30  4-256K X 9 SIMMs 100ns
        removed from a machine to upgrade to 1M SIMMs

sold  keyboard for IBM or compatible XT/AT

sold  8-bit IBM I/O card with parallel, 2 serial, game port (NEW)

 $12  8-bit IBM game card for 2 joysticks (NEW)

sold  monochrome graphics (Hercules) video board with parallel printer
        port, board can emulate CGA, (NEW)

====  =================================================================

Prices include shipping.  Send email for more details.
If not prepay, buyer pays US Post COD charges.
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From: stimey@sequent.com (Greg Peckham)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: WANTED:  Full-size 386DX 20-25Mhz motherboard...
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:55:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr7.225502.2454
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems


Hi All,

the title pretty much sums it up.  What I need is a full-size, WORKING, 386DX,
preferably 25Mhz motherboard that accepts SIMMS memory, and has 8 or more
expansion slots.  Preferably 1 32bit, 1 8 bit, and 6 16 bit slots.
AMI BIOS is a must; cache memory is optional.  Intel chips are prefered.

I am willing to pay between $200.00 - $300.00 including shipping.

Please send me e-mail if you have one of these beasts that you are willing
to part with.  The reason I want a full-size board is that I have a rather
large tower case, and would like to use the space.  The case can handle up
to 10 expansion slots, so space is not a problem.

Also, let me know the cash amount you would be willing to let your board go
for.

Thanks much!!!


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Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: lavigne@spaghetti.cis.ohio-state.edu (david lavigne)
Subject: Microsoft windows 3.0 SDK.
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:14:46 GMT


Microsoft windows 3.0(not 3.1) Software development kit.
$80 or best offer.
Thanks
David Lavigne

Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: bull@iastate.edu (Troy E Bull)
Subject: WANTED HARD DRIVE
Keywords: WANTED HARD DRIVE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:56:44 GMT




I need to buy a hard disc, I want one that works ;) and would like a 60
to 80 meg range.  Please E-mail ASAP, as I am without one and will
probably get the first one that fits what I want for a reasonable price.
-- 
"We tried to test OS2's protection capabilities by deliberately
inducing a UAE (Unrecoverable Application Error) in a Windows window.
But our attempt failed completely ... including some applications that
will crash windows 3.0"  		-PC Magazine April 28 1992
From: 2frwtowel@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Macintosh Plus 4 sale (?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:56:21 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello all.....

I have a three-year old Macintosh Plus, very basic, with an external 3 1/2
inch drive.  As my university has fortunately upgraded their macintosh
lab offerings several times in the past years, I find that I'm just not
using my own mac very much and I'd like to get something new sometime
down the line.

I guess my question is, is there any market for a basic Mac Plus?  And how
much can I expect to get for it?  It is in good shape, basically, I've never
had any problems with it and I've treated it pretty well.  I just figure
I'd rather sell it now than wait another year or two and let it's value go
down any more.  

I'd appreciate any info.

Thanks
Shan Schwartz
University of Kansas
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: UnMouse for Macintosh for sale
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:44:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Apr17.014421.906
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

I have an "UnMouse" tablet for the Macintosh for sale cheap. It is about 2
weeks old, and I cannot use it any longer. If interested, make me an offer.
Best offer of $85 takes it.

Dave
Xref: sparky misc.forsale.computers:16803 comp.sys.apple2:11539
From: agulhati@willamette.edu (Ashish Gulhati)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Disk ][ forsale
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:49:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr6.184916.3543
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR


Make an offer
From: mpye@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Word Finder Plus - Mac: $30
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:00:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: vmsb.1992Apr9.140050.1
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: mpye

I have an extra copy of Word Finder Plus for the Macintosh.  It's 
an electronic thesaurus with over one million synonyms (over 4 times 
the # of synonyms as the original Word Finder).  Winner of the 
1991 MacWorld "World Class" award.  

Also includes "Autoinflection" technology.  This returns the correct
grammatical form of a word for concise synonym choices.  For example,
the noun "thinker" returns synonyms such as "philosopher" and "pundit",
wheras the verb "thinking" returns words such as "pondering" and 
"contemplating".

All this and it STILL only occupies 290K of disk space!

Also includes "The Pocket Word Finder Thesaurus" paperback thesaurus!!

This is an unregistered copy!!!

All for $30 + $5 shipping/packaging:  Total $35 send via Priority Mail!

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Michael Pye
email: mpye@csupomona.edu
From: jhunter@willamette.edu (Jason Hunter)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: REPOST: Leading Edge PC for sale cheap!
Keywords: IBM, computer, cheap, PC
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:14:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr8.221424.2968
Distribution: na
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR


  I got a few people interested last time, but no one followed through.  So
it's time to repost.
  I have a new computer to replace my old Leading Edge, so I would like to
sell it to you.  It's none too fancy, but it's none too expensive.  $120!

  It has...
    CGA monitor
    2 360K disk drives
    8088 processor
    joystick card
    3 slots still open
    1 parallel, 2 serial ports
    256K DRAM, expandable to 512K.
    keyboard, cables, and etceteras

  You must pay shipping, but I will pay the COD charges.
  I can't make the price go any lower.

jhunter@willamette.edu
From: fishnet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian Kassa)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Sound Master II
Keywords: sound card
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:39:05 GMT
Organization: Clemson University




For Sale:

	Covox Sound Master II.  This card is an Adlib and SoundBlaster
compatable sound card for the IBM PC.  It also has speech reconginiton,
text to speach, and a midi controller.  The card itself has two mike
inputs, a speaker output rated at 4 watts, and a midi connection.  It
comes with its own speakers.  There ara 4 disks worth of software that
come standard.  These programs include the voice recognition software,
the midi controller, digital recording and playback utilities, "speech
thing" text to speech software, and various others.  

	$160.00 plus shipping.  It comes in a small box so shipping
	        shouldn't be too bad.  I also would like to do COD cash.  


			Thanks,
			Brian Kassa
			fishnet@hubcap.clemson.edu
			(803)654-7135


P.S.  I am selling it because it is the end of the semester and I am
broke.   
Newsgroups: uiuc.classifieds.computer,misc.forsale.computers
From: bkwg0457@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Whitlock)
Subject: Re: IBM PC Convertible laptop system for sale (SOLD)
Keywords: IBM PC Convertible laptop computer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:28:57 GMT

The computer has been sold.
From: dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re:  If this is cheap.. Re: Amiga 3000 - Cheap!
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:31:56 EST
Organization: Culberson Plaza.  (One Marconi Place, Inc.)

In article <CONSP03.92Apr13153029@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu> consp03@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Kriston J. Rehberg) writes:

>Well, they all seemed to have monitors AND ethernet cards but that's
>beside the point.
>
>Kriston J. Rehberg

  No, actually, that's not beside the point.  A monitor, an ethernet card,
a larger, faster HD, and an unlimited user lisence will cost you
considerably moore than $900.  So I think $3900 for his system is
reasonable.

		-David

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From: crystal@StarConn.com (Paul Chen)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Netware Lite w/DR DOS 6.0 $63
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:54:35 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

Novell Netware Lite Network Operating System for Sale:

- For PC/XT/AT/386/486, and PS/2
- DOS based peer-to-peer Operating System.
- Windows 3.0 compatible.
- File Sharing.
- Printer/Plotter Sharing.
- Running Multi-user Accounting Packages.
- Running Multi-user Database Applications.
- Supports IPX/SPX and NetBIOS.
- Security system with passwords and user privileges.
- Network management from any PC on the network.
- Can be upgraded to up to 25 PC users.
- DR DOS 6.0 included

Price: $63 per copy + S/H


Contact: Paul or Grace.
(408)446-1522
 
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: kh43543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Apple modem for sale
Keywords: Efron, CD-ROM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:37:43 GMT

Hi, I have a genuine Apple 1200 baud modem for sale. It's got
the cable to hook up to all Macs from the Mac Plus and up that uses
the din-8 cable. I still have the manual for it and part of the 
original box....(sort of got crunched in my closet). The modem
is in excellent shape. 

best reasonable offer gets it

Those in uiuc can give me a call and arrange to see it first
if you want. All others outside uiuc pays for shipping.

Thanks..

--Kwun
  kh43543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
  (217) 398-6280
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From: n9044398@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Eric_Munson)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: hard drives and controllers for sale
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:46:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr13.064605.2066
Organization: Western Washington University

I have a WD1003V-MM2 MFM controller and a DTC-7287 1:1 RLL controller I
would like to sell. 
I also have a seagate st-251 40 meg MFM drive (7 bad sectors)
and a nec drive (don't know type) 30 meg RLL drive (3 bad sectors).

   I will accept any reasonable offers

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From: tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: PC software for sale, Falcon3, Win3
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:37:35 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Falcon 3.0 for the PC with box, docs, reg, etc.

$30 + shipping

MS Windows 3.0 with manual, license, etc.

$30 + shipping

Please email if interested.

Thanks,
Tom

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Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,ba.forsale,chi.forsale,misc.forsale,ne.forsale,nj.forsale,umich.forsale
From: orville%weyrich@tnet.com (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: PC hardware for sale
Reply-To: tnet.com!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:38:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.204113.2446@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>In article <crb2.702675539@Ra.MsState.Edu> crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson) writes:
>
>>	Had Seagate thought that the drive labelled ST225 would hold up
>>	and be reliable at RLL encoding, I assure you that you would be
>>	talking about a ST238R (what they call it if the media will support
>>	RLL).
>
>Isn't it amazing that they manage to make exactly the amount of bad ones
>that they can sell as ST225's?  How do you suppose they do that?

Classical economic theory would say that they do that by adjusting the
price to the level that their supply balances with the public demand.

If the supply of failed RLL's that can be relabeled as MFM's is less than
demand, they can either raise the price or they can explicitly produce the
MFM versions using lower quality materials and less precise technology.

Or the difference in price could be totally a marketing scam. But I don't
think so. I hear that the RLL versions use plated media whereas the MFM
versions don't.

I use a ST-4096 pushed to RLL mode for my news spool; it sometines trashes 
an article, but I don't have time to read all the news anyway :-).

BTW -- a comparison of the jumpers on the drive electronics for the
ST-4096 and ST-4144R is different, although the electronics boards are
otherwise similar. These may be used for "tuning" the drive electronics
for the appropriate data rate.

orville

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