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From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: Re:Supporting Fraud and Libel on UseNet
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:49:34 GMT


 
In article <1992Dec29.161230.22865@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.083354.28096@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.
>edu (Vedat  Dogan) responded to article <1992Dec24.163503.18610@urartu.sdpa.
>org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) who wrote:
>
[.......]
> 
>[DD] "...the terrible holocaust of 1915, when a million and a half Armenians
>[DD] perished..." 
> 
>[VD]   is this the way you 'quote' from the books, Mr. Davidian..
>
>Go to the library, get the book, and YOU quote from it! I gave you the 
>reference...now go and check it out.
 
 It is obvious that you think I don't have the book... 
 
 read below..
 
> 
>[VD] I may 'quote' the same sentence in Mr.Davidian's way...
>[VD] 
>[VD]  "....the terrible holocaust of 1915, when an unknown number of Turks 
>[VD]   perished." 
>  
>[VD]    how did you like it..
>   
>Non-sequitur! How I like your made-up text is a non-issue here!
 
 'My text' was made up similar to 'your made-up text'..
 
 Therefore, I presumed you would like it. 
 
>
>[VD]  In your quotation:
>[VD]  
>[VD]   where is the "according to some estimates"?
>[VD]   where is the " up to"?
>[VD]   where is the "as well as an unknown number of Turks"?
> 
>Non-sequitur. If you wish to know more regarding Bernard Lewis, get the book
>and read it. In addition, I gave you the same quote from the Turkish 
>translation of the book! 
 
  Who told you that I didn't have this book..Is it one of your guesses?. 
 
 If you look at the above words I took from his book like "according to
 some estimates", "up to" or "as well as an unkown number of Turks", 
 you must simply undersand that I have his book..
 
 Unless,of course, either you have great difficulty in understanding a simple
 logical relationship between these two, or you didn't have the book to 
 check and see what I wrote.
  
clear enough..or do you need more explanation?..  
 
>
>[VD]  new skill in lying?
>[VD] 
>[VD]   armenians killed turks !!! ooo no,.. B.Lewis must be kidding..
>
>I guess you were fooled all your life! Please note that it was the Turkish 
 
 is it another guess...I love 'your guess'..  
 
>
>[deleted]
>
>[DD]DIRECTLY FROM _The Emergence of Modern Turkey_, Bernard Lewis, 1961, page 
>[DD] 350
>[VD]    I
>[VD]    I
>[VD]    I
>[VD]    l___________>>>>> but, via david davidian..
> 
>Avoid using the "I" and ">", but try the |, and to connect the dots try +.
 
>[VD]    it means something is wrong as usual...
>
>Sure, kill the messenger!
 
   no, no, kill the turkish goverment officers..
 
 
>[VD] ismet 
>
>-- 
>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org>        /--\    ...Vay dele yaman
>S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies       /    \          _  
>P.O. Box 382761                           /      \        / \ 
>Cambridge, MA 02238  ..................../        \______/   \..... 
 
 
 ismet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: erkam@acadia.Kodak.COM (Yusuf Murat Erkam)
Subject: Federasyon Kupasi'ndan bazi sonuclar
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:23:06 GMT

Tek ayak uzerinden yapilan Federasyon Kupasi ceyrek final oncesi
maclarindan bazilarinin sonuclari soyle:

Fenerbahce-Genclerbirligi	: 5-2
Trabzonspor-Kayserispor  	: 2-1
Sariyer-Altay			: 6-2
Kocaelispor-Alanyaspor		: 6-2
Canakkale-Ankaragucu		: 1-0 (sudden death overtime)
Bartinspor-Galatasaray		: 1-4 (70. dakikadaki skor)
Besiktas-Aydinspor		: ?

--Murat
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: German troops to Somalia??? Turkish troops to Germany
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 12:31:58 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

[Story about the bloody things happened in the 60's deleted]
Well, well. And do ya think that this is an excuse for the
behaviour of the Turks afterwards ? I can understand that
the Turkish goverment was interested in save the cypric 
Turks from beeing attacked by terrorists, but I can't imagine
that the 200.000 Greeks who had to escape in 1974 after
the turkish invasion were all terrorists.
The problem started with one radical opinion that Cyprus
has to join Greece (the "Enosis") and it ended with another
radical point of view. The dividing of Cyprus into two parts 
and the Turkish military still occupiing (sp?) ca. 40% of
Cyprus (Against UNO resolutions). If this is a good solution
I don't want to know the bad ones.

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"'Menschen?' Diederich rollte die Augen 'Der innere Feind sind sie!'"
- aus Heinrich Manns "Der Untertan"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: You may have to resubscribe to trknws-l
Date: 2 Jan 1993 07:41:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
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 del trknws-l social-cultural-turk@*
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Subject: A not-so-recent Turkish history question
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 16:49:11 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I was just reading, in a book about the (Ottoman) prince Jem,
that his father, the Sultan Mehmed, known as "the Conqueror,"
after consulting with the (presumably Islamic) legal authorities
about the act's propriety, allegedly had his own infant brother
killed in order to preclude a threat to the security of the state
(The Ottoman Empire). Could this be true? (Would the Islamic au-
thorities actually sanction such a thing, and did the Sultan
actually do this?!!)

Please reply by e-mail, as I don't read this group normally.
Thanks in advance.

Yaakov K. (yzkcu@cunyvm.cuny.edu on the Internet)
From: Nogales_Bey@Beneath.the.Crescent (Rafael De Nogales)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Merry Christmas to the First Soldier, and the First Gentleman of the Orient
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:40:07 -0600
Organization: Nogales Bey Memorial Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Recently 'mr ignorant slut' said:

>You sir, were fooled. I personally refuted every bit of his revisionism,
>exposed every one of his omissions, deletions, etc. I guess you never bothered
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and quoted from my book:

>[1] _Four Years Beneath the Crescent_ Rafael De Nogalas, Inspector General of
>    Turkish Forces in Armenia and Military Governor of Egyptian Sinai During 
>    the War, Translated from the Spanish by Muna Lee, Charles Scribner's Sons,
>    New York, London, 1926, page 17

But he "forgot"(i.e. 'omissions, deletions, etc') to quote this:

   "Had the Armenians been more prudent and less ambitious, they would
    probably control Turkey today. But they set themselves to star-
    chasing and tried to subdue the Turks of the eastern provinces,..."

Yes you guessed right the page number is, again, '17'.

He didn't have the guts to quote this either:

   "there can be no doubt that the Turk, in spite of all his
    defects, is the first soldier and the first gentleman of
    the Orient,"

and again, I finished my book saying:

   "As the last shoreline vanished my thoughts were filled with
    memories of the valor, devotion and uncomplaining sacrifice
    of the Turkish soldier. Suddenly I felt as if an icy hand
    had vehemently grasped my heart; and without reasoning why,
    I stood at attention and saluted those rose-tinted horizons
    and orange blossom skies which swung now like a veil before
    the land where I was leaving so many brave comrades sleeping
    the sleep of death beneath the flowery sod of its mountains
    and the burning sands of its deserts..."


Merry Christmas to the first soldier and the first gentleman of
the Orient,

Nogales Bey

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: GB2YBSG <GB2YBSG@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: haber gecenler
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-18185]: music.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Your MUSIC System
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:14:41 GMT

Gecen gun haber gecen arkadaslardan bir tanesi yazisinin sonunda
"Ugrastigimiza deyiyor mu? Devam edelim mi?" diye bir soru sormus-
tu.
Eminim buyuk bir cogunluk adina konusuyorum: Su net'te zaten haberden
baska okuyacak ne var ki?  Elinize saglik, lutfen haber post etmeye
devam edin.
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 12:14:37 TUR
From: Yener YIGIT <YENER@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkiye' den Futbol

Simdide 1. lig siralamasi,
hatirlatayim ki Galatasaray-Kocaelispor maci erteleme oldugu
icin 27 Aralik 1992 de oynanacak.
Su anda birinci yari bu mac disinda tamamlandi.

Takimlar         O   G   B   M   A   Y      P  Av.
--------------  --  --  --  --  --  --     --  ---
Kocaeli         14  10   2   2  39  13     32  +26
Fenerbahce      15   9   3   3  38  17     30  +21
Galatasaray     14   9   3   2  26   9     30  +17
Besiktas        15   8   6   1  29  13     30  +16
Trabzon         15   8   6   1  26  10     30  +16
Bursa           15   7   3   5  25  21     24  + 4
Ankaragucu      15   6   2   7  24  22     20  + 2
Sariyer         15   5   4   6  19  23     19  - 4
Bakirkoy        15   5   3   7  24  24     18    0
Altay           15   5   3   7  17  24     18  - 7
Genclerbirligi  15   4   5   6  19  27     17  - 8
Kayseri         15   2   7   6  14  21     13  - 7
Aydin           15   3   4   8  11  26     13  -15
Gaziantep       15   3   3   9  15  30     12  -15
Karsiyaka       15   2   6   7  15  31     12  -16
Konya           15   0   6   9  13  43      8  -30

Sevgi ve Saygilarimla,
Hepinizin Yeni Yilini kutlarim.
Yener Yigit.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Latest on the Chick Pea Bomb
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:30:42 GMT

EAPNE (East Anatolian News Editors) Results of the Cosar-Argic-Mutlu "Patlamis 
Lablabi Bombasi".

On January 2, 1993, at 12:15 p.m., somewhere in the hinterlands of Minnesota, a
blast of enormous force caused by the Cosar-Argic-Mutlu tag team having eaten
dry chick peas for the past five years, as was confirmed by Turkish Atomic 
Weapons, Inc., a non-profit group of proto-fascists who are attempting to prove
once and for all that all atomic weapons are Turkic in origin, simply because 
civilization was introduced by Turks to the world, and all subsequent advances,
in reality, belong to Ankara. Such claims have caused deep concern by 
researchers at Lawrence Livermore Labs who, via prior agreement, were to
transport the pressure triangle to California.

Turkish scientists claim they now will attempt to clone entire herds of the
Cosar-Argic-Mutlu type as nuclear triggers for Turkey's peaceful hydrogen
bomb industry. This announcement caused the entire Unix User Network, an
international network of cooperating local networks, into Los Angeles-type
riots. The ensuing violence killed thousands and many more revised! Destruction
was heaviest in and around Cambridge, Massachusetts, Berkeley, California, and 
an un-named location in Virginia. High technology people known as "system 
administrators" were seen pulling leased lines directly out of walls, and 
taking them to local rivers, oceans, and throwing them in.

The Revision-Inversion method of CH4 plasma gas containment has put the world's
scientific community in a frenzy, because it obeys no known law of nature. It
has been suggested the Turkish Historical Society, well known for the re-
writing of history, has as a derivative project whose goal was a revised 
binding energy curve to include local peaks in and around several organic 
compounds, of all things! 

The Institute for the Study of Grey Wolf Milk in Baku, Azerbaijan, claimed that
in fact, the whole story is an Armenian fabrication, and that all the 
Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh are terrorists.

-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208)
From: cekin@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (cem ekin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: KAYA ICIN ALINAN FETWA
Date: 26 Dec 1992 13:10:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

***************************************************************************
               KAYA ILE ILGILI FETVA VE SEBEBLERI
   20 Aralik 1992 de yillik fetva toplantisini yapan "KUZEY AMERIKA
   DOGRULAR KOMITESI" su kararlari almistir; ( Guvenlik acisindan
   toplanti yer ve zamani tam olarak aciklanmayacakdir.)
   
   Baglayici Kararlar
   
   1. Soc.culture. Turkishde surkli olarak Islamiyetin temel kaynak-
   larini carpitarak, Islm ve muslumanlar aleyhine yanlis kannat uyan
   dirmaya calisan KAYANIN baslica suclari sunlardir;
     
     a. Ayetlerde olmayan kelimeleri ayetlere eklemek,
     b. Kasitli olarak yanlis ceviri yapmak
     c. Ayetleri icinde bulunduklari ortamdan cikarip, ayetlerin anlamini
     degistirmek.
     d. Hz Peygamber (sav) ilgili cirkin iftiralarda bulumak, bunlarida
     Amerkada Yahudu donmesi olan ve su Amerikada BAHAHilein parasi ile 
     yasayan, karisi Turk turizm sirketleinde birinde calisan birinin kitabi
     ile Turan Dursunun kitablarindan yapmak.
     e.Kendisinin ayetleri ve olaylari saptirdigi ortaya konunca, cevap
     bile vermeyrek kotu niyetini ortaya koymasi
     
  nedeniyle, Turkiyeli YEHOVA SAHITLERINDEN olmasi ihtimali kuvvetli olan
  University of North Coroline'den yazan KAYA GURALP takma adiyla yazan
  sahsin Komitemizin asagidaki sayili ve tarihli karari ile;
  
  Karar: Kaya ile ilgili Fetva
  Sayi :34547648
  Tarih:20 Aralik 1992
  Komite:...........(isimler sakli)
  
  RUH VE SINIR HASTALIKLARI HASTAHANSINE  gonderilmesine karar verilmistir.
  
   TAVSIYE KARARLARI:
   
   1.  Sayin  Coloradodan yazan Remzi Cirit,Ingiltereden Beytullah  Cetiner,
    Ercan O. Temel, Lami  Yeni Zelandadan  Hakkinin  bundan sonra butun 
    foyalari ortaya cikan Kaya ile ugrasmamalari tavsiye edilir.
    
   2. Sayin Telat Yanika da son zamanlarda kufurlerine son verdigi icin 
   tesekur karari alinmistir.
   
                               Komite adina
                              Yurutme Kurulu Baskani
                              Cem Ekinci
  *****************************************************************************


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)
Subject: Re: ERBAKAN HOCA ve EKONOMIK PROGRAMI (Islamcilardan secmeler)
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester
	<MUCIT.92Dec25145141@slate.cs.rochester.edu>
	<3388.9212252129@thor.cf.ac.uk>
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:05:29

In article <3388.9212252129@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
[this is part of what I wrote previously, as quoted by Mr. Cetiner:]

>|I'm still curious what Erbakan's "changes" would be.  (see the subject).
>|One would assume that he has more concrete outlines for changes than
>|just slogans.  Are there anyone in the know in this crowd?
>|

[and this is what Mr. Cetiner wrote in response]

>   Mr.Bulent, why don't you ask these questions directly to Erbakan or
>   some economists from his party? Everybody here just knows his slogans
>   rather than his challenging (?) program. 

I had assumed that there were Erbakan supporters on the net.  I had 
further assumed that some of those people would be able to tell me 
what exactly he was proposing to change.  So you're saying that there
are no Erbakan supporters on the net?  Or are you saying Erbakan supporters
would know just the slogans and slogans would be enough for them?  I'd
find the latter hard to believe.  I gather you aren't an Erbakan supporter,
but surely you'd agree that there would be those among his more educated 
supporters who would need more than just grand sounding slogans.
At any rate, it doesn't look like explanations are forthcoming.  
Maybe his supporters are away for their Christmas break!
As for asking him the questions, I would if it were convenient for me to do so.
Maybe I'm asking the wrong question?  Let me rephrase it: is Erbakan
the current leader for the people who'd like to see Turkey turned into
an "Islamic state"?  If so, what concrete changes does his party's program
propose?  There just has to be some people on the net who can answer this
as I have the impression that there indeed are people who'd like to see
Turkey transformed into an "Islamic state."  If I'm wrong, and there is no 
such thing, please do let me know.  

[stuff deleted]

replies to the net please

BM
From: hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Bedouins and Cowboys
Date: 1 Jan 1993 10:47:25 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Jan1.040821.9873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:
>
>>Exactly. Whoever imitates the Americans becomes one of them. Whoever
>>imitates the 7th century Bedouins becomes one of them.
>
>Actually, bedouins and cowboys have some common points , like for example
>their taste for adventure. The bedouins in a few decades established the
>largest empire mankind has ever known. Pioneers of the 7th century, or
>pioneers of the 20th century, we should follow always pioneers.
>
>Lotfi


The last line should read, 'We should always follow pioneers" any how this is
only a test to try some rn functions

Thank you,

Lotfi
From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hz. MUSA'NIN KONUSMA PROBLEMLERI.....
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:20:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Dec16224910.AA21880@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:
|Hz. MUSA KEKEME MIYDI?
|----------------------
|
| Tevratta gecen hikayelerden bir tanesinde Hz. Musa isimli kisinin
| kekeme oldugu anlatilmaktadir. Bu hikaye nasil olduysa, Kuran'da da
| bulunuyor.


Nasil olacak siz soyleyin. Yuksek fikirlerinizi gecin nete.
Peygamber (SAV) sihirbazdi, muneccimdi, cok okumus intelligent
bir kisiydi etc. Yazda bilelim. Ata ata atacak sermayende kalmayaxak bir
gun. Bak ben sana yardim edeyim. Bu tur iddialar senin gecmis
TURLERININ IDDIALARI.

Not: Sorularima cevap almadan sana cevap yazmak yoktur.
Biraz mesgulum o nedenle biryerlere gittigimi zannetme
hatirlatmaya devam edecegim.

YALANCI VE SAHTEKARLIK YAPMADIGINI MILLETE ISPATLA

Ercan



|
| saygilarimla
| ------------
| kaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: Re:Fraud & Libel on UseNet
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:37:33 GMT

 
In article <1992Dec31.191413.9962@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.084934.8630@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>(Vedat  Dogan) wrote:
>
>[VD] [DD] "...the terrible holocaust of 1915, when a million and a half
>[VD] [DD] Armenians perished..." 
>[VD]
>[VD] [VD]   is this the way you 'quote' from the books, Mr. Davidian..
>
>[DD] Go to the library, get the book, and YOU quote from it! I gave you the 
>[DD] reference...now go and check it out.
> 
>[VD] It is obvious that you think I don't have the book... 
>
>If you have the book or have to go to the library for it is immaterial.
 
  What are you talking about?. in previuos line, you ask me to get the book
  (you guessed I didn't have the book), but now you are telling me if I have
  it or not is immeterial..which one do you want..Are you in a bad mood?
  and this was also your problem not mine..
 
  you are humiliated on this matter because you were not aware that 
  I had already taken the words from the same book and same paragrapf 
  you 'quoted' when you were 'advising' me to get this book.. 
 
  My point is still here:
          YOU didn't quote exactly and completely?..
 
  will you correct it?
          
  If not, the 'quotation' below
 
       "...the terrible holocaust of 1915, when an unknown number
        of Turks perished."
  
  will stand here... 
 
> 
>[VD] read below..
>
>I did! The point of all this, sir, is that Bernard Lewis never said Armenians 
>killed 2.5 million of anything. Turkish Genocide Apology has posted many times
>on UseNet that Bernard Lewis did state such revisionism of history. You have 
>failed to show that Bernard Lewis stated that Armenian killed 2.5 million 
>anything. Thus, we have both demonstrated that the posting of the Cosar-Argic-
>Mutlu revsionist machine are libelous and fraudulent. 
 
 we both didn't demonstrate anything else..it is your guess again..
 
 'an unknown number of turks perished', which Bernard Lewis states in his book,
  does not contradict any number claimed by the other turkish netters..
 
  They used his book as a source for an event in which an unknown number
  of turks were killed by armenians, not for the numbers..
  For the numbers, there are other sources they use.. 
 
  Please prove your claim that they quoted from B.Lewis' book in their article
  for the NUMBER of Turks (2.5 million) killed by armenians...
  
  in your proof, Mr.Davidian, use their quotations for the NUMBERS taken
  from B.Lewis' book, please -not from your 'guess'..
  
   
 
 >
>-- 
>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
>S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
>P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
>Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208) 
 
 
 
 ismet 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin.policy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Artificial intelligence
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:28:37 GMT

I want to make it clear that virtually everthing in the message to which
this message is a followup is false, and that I'm merely running tests to
see if a certain someone is really just an auto-reply daemon. We'll see
tomorrow what response I get. In any event, I wanted to make it clear that
the preceding message from me (I believe the article's reference number is
1992Dec28.101943.9565@muddcs.claremont.edu) should be considered a joke
and/or a test, and should in no way be taken at all seriously. Thanks for
your time, and apologies for burning bandwidth.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
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