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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: A3000 dead?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:10:01 GMT

	My brother's A3000/25 doesn't boot now. He is 350 miles away
so I won't be able too look at it until the weekend, but here are the
symptoms:

	He was last running Prowrite (last version), when he dragged 
the window and clicked on the workbench. He said the wait point spun
endlessly, so he rebooted. The power light and caps light come on as
they normally do, but the hard drive and floppy drive are never accessed.
I told him to unplug peripherals but it didn't help. He says the fan 
comes on and he sees just a white screen, no kickstart messages, no
boot menu from holding down mouse buttons, etc.

	Could someone please list the diagnostic stages of a normal
boot i.e. grey to light grey or whatever it should be? Thanks.




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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AA or AGA in A3000
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:42:26 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Sep14.050202.15400@en.ecn.purdue.edu> bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis) writes:
 >
 >But I can't help wondering whether a new drop-in card might not be
 >possible to fix this.  Imagine a card with 2Mb of "new chip" RAM, its 
 >own local 32-bit chip memory bus, and the new custom chips.  It would
 >have its own video output, and interface neatly to the regular bus.
 >I wonder...  Maybe...  I'm sure someone is already trying to figure
 >out whether this is a realistic idea or not.

That sounds possible. BUT: What you describe is roughly already 60 %
of the whole mainboard. I guess it wouldn't come very cheap...

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From: RPG104@URIACC.BITNET (Don Mac Phee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: 4000 (A hack?!)
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:05:06 GMT



  Calling CBM! Hello?

  Why an IDE drive? With the available bandwidth, a Wide-Fast SCSI-2
should be a possibility.

  Will the new 4000 allow a new Paula? And will the devices (Serial/Drive)
work accordingly? Or does this mean once I get this machine, I'll have
to also replace the floppy, and add a Zorro Serial port card?

  Will the Ethernet interface support NFS (Both ways),Slip(PPP), and NNTP?
Perhaps even Rlogin/RSH?

  Is the processor *IN* the processor slot, or is it mounted like the
Tandem (On a replacable card?)?

  Please post replies to these questions at your earliest possible
convenience :) [I think we can all make a few allowances for
the 1.2Gig of mail that's pouring down the .commodore.com domain...]

  BTW: I read the csa.hardware feed, but have to post this way

D o n   M a c   P h e e  (Rpg104@Uriacc.Uri.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Subject: Re: Beyond the A4000
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:07:27 GMT

copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:

>I wonder on this as well.  The future chipsets will be on a graphics card,
>ala SG machines.  I doubt the A4000 will be able to use them.

	Well, consider this:  the next-generation chipsets
hopefully might appear with release 4 of the OS which
is suppose to have retargetability.  So maybe we could
just plug in a Zorro III board and use it.  This would
mean that current A3000 owners aren't as screwed as
they appear to be -- with release 4, we could have
better graphics.

--Andre

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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: 4000 (A hack?!)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:07:18 GMT

RPG104@URIACC.BITNET (Don Mac Phee) writes:



>  Calling CBM! Hello?

>  Why an IDE drive? With the available bandwidth, a Wide-Fast SCSI-2
>should be a possibility.

a) cheaper.

The ide drive is still dma.  It should be NEARLY as fast as the A3000 scsi
controller, and drives will be much cheaper.  A scsi controller is optional.

>  Will the new 4000 allow a new Paula? And will the devices (Serial/Drive)

A c= employee at the show said the new chipsets would be surface mount.  I 
don't know about the A4000, but that would seem to make them unchangeable, 
unless they are on a graphics card and you replace the whole lot at once.

>  Will the Ethernet interface support NFS (Both ways),Slip(PPP), and NNTP?
>Perhaps even Rlogin/RSH?

The TCP/IP software is pretty complete.

>  Is the processor *IN* the processor slot, or is it mounted like the
>Tandem (On a replacable card?)?

On a card that plugs into the cpu slot, which is the same as the A3000 fast 
slot.

>convenience :) [I think we can all make a few allowances for
>the 1.2Gig of mail that's pouring down the .commodore.com domain...]

That much?

>  BTW: I read the csa.hardware feed, but have to post this way

>D o n   M a c   P h e e  (Rpg104@Uriacc.Uri.edu)

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From: mascot@bnr.ca (Scott Mason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: re:Monitors for A1000
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:29:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Monitors for A1000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Cc:

In article <1992Sep8.215108.26930@cs.ubc.ca> you write:
>The 1084 on my A1000 is dying.  I see several possibilities for
>replacing it.  I will most likely be getting an A3000 within a year.
>If there is a monitor which will work for my A1000 and my A300o I
>could purchase it now.  Are there such monitors?

In order to support all of the A3000s video modes, you need a
monitor that can sync at 15.75kHz (NTSC/PAL) and at 31.5kHz (VGA)
frequencies. You should look for a multisync whose sync specs
include this range. The 15.75kHz rate is used by normal and
interlaced video, which includes all video modes of your current
A1000. The 31.5kHz rate is used by the de-interlaced video modes
of flicker-fixers and the A3000 non-interlaced modes. The monitor
should support Analog RGB over this range.

>Are any of the
>typical monitors for IBM type machines usable on the A1000/A3000?

Unfortunately, no. CGA has the same sync frequency as the A1000
but uses Digital RGB. VGA monitors have the same sync frequency
as the A3000's new video modes, but won't work w/ the A1000.

>An old monitor from a C64 for instance?

For the A1000, you could use the composite video mode. However,
there would be a significant loss of video quality.

Hope this helps.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU
Subject: META4 Question revised - Sorry for being vague
Organization: UW-Parkside
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:27:52 GMT

Thanks to all who responded and the overall response was -
  What the hell is your point ?
In the responses I received, It was pointed out that the only card to be used
in the TRUMPCARD 500 is the META4, no others seem to work.
Thats what I wanted to know !
N
New Question, does the META4 use IVS Proprietery (sp?) SIMMS ?
Thanks Everyone,
Doug McKeown
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From: ericj@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Eric Jacobsen)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
	<1992Sep12.004219.1688@sbcs.sunysb.edu> <65730@cup.portal.com>
	<1992Sep14.105249.26726@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
	<1992Sep14.133832.21463@hubcap.clemson.edu>
	<1992Sep15.005942.9017@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:43:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.005942.9017@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

   In <1992Sep14.133832.21463@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:

   >What about the home/small business segment.  Do they have to buy IBMs? :)

   The home/small business people buying IBMs and SoundBlasters are stuck
   with limited 8bit sound.

So are we.

Any add in card that can be designed for an Amiga can be designed (actually
probably has been designed) for a PC. There are already cards available
for PCs with DSPs on them, and there are several flavors to pick from.

The nice thing about the Amiga to date has been the native audio capability
on the motherboard. Everybody gets it, it's all the same, so all the
application s/w can use it. If the scheme changes to who's audio card
are you going to plug in (don't think there won't be competition), then
we get back to compatibility problems, etc., etc., etc., which won't be
any different than the PC market.

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From: manfred@edomdo.UUCP (Manfred Dolag)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  Zorro <> CAMAC Bus interface needed
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:01:46 GMT
Organization: Edotronik GmbH

In article <1992Sep4.235204.18776@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <13511@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>>Whyever not? I have a CAMAC crate with a couple of DSP technologies 200 MHz
>>digitizers which can multiplex for an additional two channels at 100 MHZ
>>each.
>
>It surely does make sense if you have a CAMAC crate with some useful
>equipment. But CAMAC is IMHO something antiquated :-) And an interface
>requires more work than say the VME bus.
>
>If you really need such an interface I can try to design one. But I won't
>be able to actually build it..
>
>Regards,
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question: is there an IEEE 488 Interface available for CAMAC ??

( we have an IEEE 488 Controller for A2000/3000 . Is that the solution ? )


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From: Don_Moorcroft@amusers.UUCP (Don Moorcroft)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Monitor
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:57:02 PST
Organization: The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

Does anyone know of any diferant monitors that I can use with my amiga 2000
other than the trash made by commodore.......my 1084 is near death and
after opening it up and seeing the shoddy construction of it I simply
refuse to purchase another one of these things. My main gripe is the
cardboard they use to insulate the circuit board from the ground
plate...........some real foresight there in planning it to self destruct
in a period of time.

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From: wb24+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Bardwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Xetec formating 2.0
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:35:27 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This came up before, but I either didn't save it or lost it.
So, how do I format partitions on a Xetec SCSI card so that:
a) they have the 2.0 FFS.  (do I need a new rom for my card?)
	(do I use the Xetec util or HDToolbox?)
b) they work under 2.0 and 1.3? (the 2.0 manuals seem to say that
they included a disk FFS, is that for 1.3 to use the 2.0 FFS?)
William Bardwell
wbardwel@[cs.]cmu.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.hardware:15132 comp.sys.amiga.misc:13706
From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:22:42 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>I would like this chance to thank Dave Haynie and Michael Sinz for explaining
>the A3000 fast ram 'problem'.  It is about time this was cleared up properly,
>and I know that I for one am going to remove SetRamsey from my startup file.

I think you will find this to be a wise move...

>Dave and Michael are correct about the performance differences.  When I said it
>was 10% faster, I was referring to Sysinfo's relative indexes, which are mostly
>based around a 'Mips' type test.  Note however that with that mode enabled, it
>reads a lower ram speed.  So overall, it would probably run slower, not faster.
>Thank you for explaining this.

You are welcome.  I just wish we did not have to repeat ourselves so much.
Maybe some of this needs to be put into the FAQ...

>BTW, does the C= 040 board have an external cache and any ram on board?  The
>latest AmigaWorld I could find here was July.

The 68040 board does not have CACHE or RAM on it.  It is designed to not
cause any extra wait-states to the motherboard (which is not easy since
the 68040 bus has to be converted to the 68030 bus within the timing
window of the 68040 cycles...)

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From: gest_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Gavin Stark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Help! My Amiga is burning up!!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:11:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


After having my 3000 on for about 5 minutes the following chips get extreamly
hot:

	CSG 8372A 318069-O3 4589 23
		A chip with a sticker that says "WRAP" on it

Many other chips in the machine also heat up.  When the machine gets hot the
graphics go haywire.  When I move a window for instance dashed lines are
left behind.  The graphics inside the winodow can also get scrambled.

I have had the power supply tested and it is operating normally.  I should
also note that it is the only component of the machine that does _NOT_ heat
up.  The bottom of the casing and the side away from the power supply also
gets hot.

Please tell me what I can do, or what might be wrong.  For now I must
operate the machine open cased with a strong fan blowing on it...

-Gavin Stark

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From: mascot@bnr.ca (Scott Mason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Problems with the A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:11:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

In article <dej.01hz@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca> dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.083819.17967@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>But the development costs involved in creating this IDE design must have been
>>very substantial

Doesn't the A600 already support IDE?

>>compared to the costs that would have been involved in
>>simply carrying over the A3000's existing SCSI design to the A4000.

The 68040 has been a rude surprise for many system design
groups. The 68040 interface is significantly different from
previous 680x0 generations. Sometimes, either significant
development is expended developing a backwards compatible
interface or existing designs are scrapped. It might not be
easy or efficient to continue to use the A3000 SCSI interface.

>I've actually seen SCSI hard disk prices lower than IDE prices for the
>SAME hard disk model, manufacturer AND vendor.  Check the ads in BYTE!
>You are not saving much by going to IDE

Maybe, maybe not, for the drives themselves in high volume.
However, an AT style IDE host adapter is significantly less
expensive than a SCSI host adapter.

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From: hugh@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Lucas/Francis availability
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:27:28 GMT
Organization: NTT Systems, Inc., Toronto, Canada

In article <5546@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com> dombey@ssc-vax.UUCP (John R Dombey) writes:
>Some time ago, I saw a posting from Stephen Orr of the Amiga Developers
>Forum (ADF) in Toronto, about the continued availability of the Lucas/
>Francis kits for the A1000.  I have tried several times to reach ADF at the
>address Stephen included (adf@nsq.UUCP) to no avail.  Does anyone have a
>correct Email address, or even a street address or telephone number for

That's a perfectly correct email address. If it doesn't work from
where you are, you have a domain fascist mailer.

If your mailer needs an internet domain name, you can get there via my
machine by emailing to:

adf@nsq.phaedrav.on.ca

or another machine using:

adf@nsq.gts.org

which will send your mail via

adf%nsq@kink.phaedrav.on.ca

or

adf%nsq@becker.gts.org

respectively.

I'll forward your post and bug someone to post an update.

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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:39:24 GMT

I would like this chance to thank Dave Haynie and Michael Sinz for explaining
the A3000 fast ram 'problem'.  It is about time this was cleared up properly,
and I know that I for one am going to remove SetRamsey from my startup file.  

Dave and Michael are correct about the performance differences.  When I said it 
was 10% faster, I was referring to Sysinfo's relative indexes, which are mostly
based around a 'Mips' type test.  Note however that with that mode enabled, it
reads a lower ram speed.  So overall, it would probably run slower, not faster.
Thank you for explaining this.  

BTW, does the C= 040 board have an external cache and any ram on board?  The
latest AmigaWorld I could find here was July.  


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
Subject: Hey C=, what kind of throughput with IDE on 4000?
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:48:30 GMT


If you guys would be so kind...

What is the best throughput attainable via the IDE controller on the
A4000, and with what drive?


Thanks,
(soon to be a buyer if the answer is right)
M. Snider
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com

p.s. because the copper (and the blitter?)is no faster than in the A3000,
does this mean that faster animations (more FPS)(regardless of number of colors)
will be impossible? (please excuse my Amiga Hardware ignorance)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
From: mbuc1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Matthew Richard     Buchanan       )
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:57:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

>I have a 3000 with 2 meg chip and 2 meg fast, which is made up of 4x256K Zips
>(not sure whether they are static column or not) That makes 16 chips for the
>2 meg fast, am I right??

WELL I GOT THAT PART RIGHT!

>Anyway in order to transfer my chips over to the 4x1MB static column Zips, and
>increase my fast memory from 2 meg to, say, 4meg, I understand that this
>will require 8 chips per meg, which equates to 32 chips. At $14-15 per chip
	     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

OOOPS, my logic was slightly off here (not my maths). I have since been
informed of the error of my ways - this should have read 2 chips per meg.
That gives 8 chips to make up my 4 meg, which sounds better not to mention
cheaper. Say, around US$120 for 4 meg (right?). I can live with that.

see ya,
Matt.

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