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From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1st draft pick of 1993?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 12:58:09 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1992Nov20.183705.28928@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>>In article <8800740.26.722189248@clement.info.umoncton.ca>, 8800740@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARCO RUEST) writes:
[stuff about Daigle deleted]
>>He has publicly stated that he will play for any team that drafts him. Money
>>may be a concern, but he will not refuse a team if they can pay him what he
>>wants. Unlike Lindros.
>
>	So it is wrong to turn down playing in a city where you think you would
>be unhappy, to play somewhere else for less money???  And it is ok
>to say "Sure I'll play for you but not until you pay me what I want."?????

>	Anyway, I think it is worse to play somewhere just for money
>rather than because you want to play there.  In fact, I bet if Lindros
>had played for Quebec and didn't want to be he would not be putting
>up the numbers he has so far.
>
The reason Lindros did not play for Quebec *was* money related.  He
believed the market was too small for his ego, in other words, he wanted
to make money marketing himself and Quebec/Canada is too small.  According
to Bonnie Lindros, the teams she would approve of were mostly the big market
areas.

A open question to all the people who supported Lindos's decision not to play
for Quebec:
What if he decided to snub your team?
How would you feel about him then?

Just my thoughts,
Tony


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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Re: Trade the #1 draft pick in 1993
Organization: MLG
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:24:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210043.8567@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> coop4y44@bnr.ca (Robb Keayes) writes:
>|> To Quebec: Ottawa's first round pick in 1993 (Obviously, Daigle)
>|> To Ottawa: 1. Philadelphia's first round pick in 1993 (obviously from
>|>                the Lindros trade)
>|>            2. Chris Simon and/or Scott Pearson
>|>            3. A little cash, perhaps?
>
>I don't know much about Simon or Pearson, so...

Pearson (SCOTT) is not as good as Pearson (ROB).  Originally, the Leafs had
both Scott and Rob Pearson.  They traded Scott Pearson to the Nords for
Michel Petit, I think.

Did you know that Ottawa is in desparate need of a goalie?  They want
to have Mike Vernon of the Flames or Grant Fuhr of the Leafs.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:16:56 EST
From: Mike Rapach <MCR114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject:    Re: Upcoming Divorces

I've just been reading much that has been written about the Quinn incident.  I
can understand everyone's interest in this event, but I'm afraid that it has be
en taken a little far now.  The question about upcoming divorces is too much.
These men are people, regardless of what they have done or not done.  That's to
 be decided by the court system.  The police have said that Quinn is the only o
ne facing charges, and speculating on what other things may have happened is li
ke trying to be tabloids.  These people deserve not to be convicted when no cha
rges have been brought against them.  As Lori said, the truth proabily will nev
er be known, but we can only go on the facts we have.  I don't want anyone to n
ot discuss this, but please do so in good taste and with the facts, not baseles
s speculation.  I'm off the soapbox now.
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Subject: Re: Lindros again
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:12:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <10016@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:
>Mario had 43 goals and 57 assists in 70-some games his first year on possibly
>the worst team of the 1980s.

Nah, the year prior to Mario was certainly the worst team of the '80s,
and quite possibly one of the worst of all time.  In truth, it was such
a bad team that year that they probably wouldn't have been all that good
even if they were in the AHL.

rick

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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Subject: USENET Hockey Draft: trading starts today (Nov. 17)
Reply-To: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:47:22 GMT


Since the week 6 prices have been posted, trading can now begin.  I thought
I'd post a reminder of the relevant rules.

First, rule 7 says that you can unload "stiffs" for at least half of what
you spent in the pre-season.  The selling price listed each week in the
price list is simply 90% of the players values, and is not always what you
will get bacause of rule 7.

When you buy new players, you must keep them on your roster for at least
6 weeks (rule 13).  Also, you cannot buy back a player you sold earlier in
the season (rule 12).

Remember that the prices are in effect from the Tuesday they are posted until
the following Monday.  Some people have been mailing me Monday night for
team updates the next morning.  Now that buying & selling can take place, I
will have to process messages sent on Mondays with the price list still in
effect.  You *must* wait until Tuesday morning to get the new prices.

When sending messages for the draft server, please observe the following
rules: (some people still make mistakes)

- put the %mail command first.  This command *must* be there.
- put the %begin command second.  This command must also be present.
- put %sell commands next
- put %buy commands after any %sell commands

Good luck!
-- 
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HP IDACOM Telecom Division      | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253

I am the Angel of Death.  The time for purification is at hand.
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From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Re: Irbe gets Sharks first ever shutout
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:41:48 GMT

In <1ecoclINN98n@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:

>I never got to see the game (just heard it on the radio),
>but Artur Irbe got the Sharks first ever shutout tonight
>against the LA Kings 6-0.  Quite a turnaround from the 11-4
>beating he took from the Kings last week.  It sounded like
>the Sharks completely outplayed the Kings (although you are
>never sure with Nick Nixon doing the play-by-play.  A
>typical Nixon call would be Kurri (long pause) Sandstrom
>(long pause) SCORES!!!  You never know where the puck was
>during the last 5 seconds).

I saw the highlights last night.  Irbe was spectacular.  He robbed
guys like Robitaille and Sandstrom at least twice each.  

Phil
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From: downec@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey)
Subject: Re: BEST FIGHTER??????
Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:04:08 GMT

|> excuse me all of you - but let's not forget STU GRIMSON; if anyone
|> noticed, he tore marty mcSOREly apart Thursday night leaving him with a
|> bloody jersey for the rest of the game..... he's definitely a force to

I thought we had put this thing to rest but I guess not.

I will admit the The Grim Reaper is a very good fighter.
Maybe one of the best (not better then Kocur, Probert or
Crowder, but good), but he's also the cheapest player I
have ever seen play.

CSD
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Domi vs. Brown
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:33:28 GMT

In article <By0w5w.LBn.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
> Ok, Flyers and Rangers fans, give us the story...

Gladly.

> Last night on the news they showed a clip of the Rangers/Flyers game.  In it
> Tie Domi squared off against Dave Brown.  From the clip, it looked like Brown
> beat the pants off Domi.  Well, at least beat the helmet off...
> Did the self proclaimed "heavyweight champ of the NHL" go down to defeat
> last night?

It all started with Claude Boivin being called for boarding against Tie
Domi.  Domi took exception and went after Boivin.  Claude was ready to
go, but Dave Brown intervened and shoved Boivin out of the way.  There
they were face-to-face.  The true NHL heavyweight champ, Dave Brown, vs
the Pretender, Tie Domi.  It was all Brownie.  Domi got in a couple of
shots, but Brown did the most damage.

What the newsclip most likely didn't show was that late in the game with
the Flyers in complete control, Domi looked to even the score.  But once
again the Pretender looked pretty foolish as Brownie wrestled him to the
ice with ease.  Brownie was on top and could have pummeled him some more,
but he simply held Domi down until the refs stepped in.  No punches were
exchanged in the rematch, but it is clear that Dave Brown is, and always
has been, the premier fighter in the NHL.

> Also, it looks like Jeff Beukeboom will now think twice before running Eric
> Lindros into the boards again.  Unless he likes ending up face down in the
> net.

I think the entire NHL is going to be thinking twice before running at
Eric Lindros.  Quebec's Owen Nolan is dead meat when he steps onto the
Spectrum ice.

The Beukeboom incident never would have occured had referee Terry Gregson
took control of the game.  The Rangers were a beaten team and were simply
trying to send a message.  Beukeboom checked Eric Lindros with two fists
to the face.  No call, so Lindros took matters into his own hands.  Eric
chased Beukeboom up the ice and laid a viscious check on him against the
boards.  Beukeboom came up swinging and chased Lindros towards the Flyers
net where Eric matter of factly planted him on the Spectrum ice.

The Rangers were a beaten team last night.  Not only on the scoreboard.


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From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Caps/Stars and multiple Caps problems
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:42:35 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

>Goaltending is relatively solid.

>Dave

Not in the games I've seen.  It's been miserable.  How about all those 
losses and goals against "Mo-Pay or No-Play" Donnie Beaupre has racked up.

While I haven't paid to see the team this year, and from the falling 
attendance I'm not alone, AND while I haven't wasted a great deal of time 
watching HTS or DC20 because the team has no life (the Bullets on skates)  
goaltending has been one of many weaknesses I do see with the Caps to this 
point.

Warren
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From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 11/23
Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:31:46 GMT

In his last post, Pete wrote:
>Gary Galley - not sure of the injury. He was questionable for the Buffalo
>but played (well, I might add)

There was an article in Sunday's Boston _Globe_ saying that Galley is 
suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome, and has been since his trade 
from the B's in january, possibly even dating to his last training
camp with the Bruins. Among the things he said was that "He hasn't missed
any games yet, but there may come a time when he must." Apparently he 
misses practices and his minutes have decreased this year. Perhaps two
games in a row, with the travel back and forth affected him a bit and
he was unable to tell until game time. 

While we're on the subject, I was at the Bruins-Flyers game on Saturday 

night. First time to the garden. Kinda neat. Anyway, I was wondering,
has it been the Flyers trend to come out so slowly this year? I guess 
it must be, considering how few leads they've had at the end of the first,
but they played some of the sloppiest hockey I've seen in the first
period. Way too many passes right in front of Beauregard and falling 
down (though I agree the ice was awful that night) Maybe it's just me.

Adam Levin       st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
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Just remember the three magic words!
Sink or swim!!! -- Matt Groening, School is Hell
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:14:23 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Upcoming divorces...


George Ferguson writes:

>In article <kf224nW00iV307hnde@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Anna Matya
>s) writes:
>>alot of women here too, so I've been told.  And I've heard countless tales
>>about Mario's indiscretions and Coffey's pig-like behavior.
> 
>Gasp! Who would've believed it??? Could this be a sign of a falling
>out between Mom and the Boy Wonder? Perhaps she just likes Jaro's
>haircuts better...

I never said Coff was an angel.  I like him as a hockey player.  And
considering that Jaro is young enough to be my son and that I think he's
got the worst hair in hockey, you're way off the mark.  Your comments
are about what I've come to expect from you and your kind.

Mom.
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Stan Fischler's Gossip 11/20 (Was Coach's Corner - Nov. 21)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:01:30 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel


I thought I'd add this to what Alan already covered ... after a week
of Islanders and Devils road games, Stan had a pretty skimpy gossip
section to show for it (I missed taping the previous two times on the
week before).  Anyways, Whalers' GM Brian Burke told The Maven that
almost all trade deals in the league are on hold 'til the Kevin Lowe
situation is clarified.  Apparently he's at the hub of a network of
possible deals and once that network collapses, players will become
available for other possible deals.

Of course, then someone will make a trade not involving Lowe before
this weekend and the next SCNY Pregame on Saturday night ... (-;

gld
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Diving rule?
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:21:54 GMT


 I haven't seen any NHL games so far this season, so I'm wondering about the
 new dive rule. Has it been called in many games so far? Has it had any
 impact of the outcome of some games? Has Mario Lemieux's PIM increased
 dramatically this season compared to last? Is it a legitimate rule in your
 opinion or is it just another (bothersome) stoppage of play?

 I found an interesting article about this that, to me, seem to make a lot
 of sense, but like I stated above, I haven't seen the rule in use yet.

 From INSIDE Hockey, November 1992:
------------------------------------

 DIVEMASTER OPPOSES RULE

 The father of modern diving in the NHL says the new rule which penalizes
 diving with a two-minute penalty is uncalled for.
 
    "Why put a rule in about diving," says Bill Barber, "if the referees
 knows it's a dive?"

 [stuff left out]

    Barber started diving because he believed not enough restraining fouls
 committed against him were being called. The move backfired, however, when
 officials responded to his reputation for diving by not calling legitimate
 penalties.

 [more stuff left out]
------------------------------------

 Staffan
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From:  ()
Subject: Re: Players who changed the sport
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:32:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.202153.4588@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) wrote:

> 
> The Flyers won those Cups in the seventies for primarily two reasons...
> they had a great goaltender, and talent levels in the league were
> depleted as a result of the WHA.  They were an ugly aberation and not
> much else.
> 
It's always disappointing to read responses from alleged hockey fans who
have NO sense of hockey history.  Yes, the Philadelphia Flyers were an
extremely physical and violent team, but to call them an "ugly aberation
and not much else" is an insult and a revelation of ignorance...

With their physical style the Flyers did intimidate the league, but that
gave them space to play a sophisticated game based on passing the puck and
strong defense.  Flyers coach Fred Shero, an innovator--the first to use
assistants and watch game films--designed this style in the mold of the
system used by the Russians.

Yes, Bernie Parent was the best goaltender in the world at the time, but
the Flyers had some other talented players as well:
-Perhaps you have heard of Bobby Clarke, Bill Barber, Rick MacLeish, Reggie
Leach to name a few.

More importantly, though, the Flyers' system was based on a team concept. 
Twenty players went out on the ice each night united and determined to win
TOGETHER.. they would not allow the opposition to beat their teammates in
anyway.

Please tell me who the MAJOR players who were in the WHA that so
drastically depleted the NHL?  Bobby Hull?  Gordie Howe?  Yes, there were
good players in the WHA, but please tell Bruins fans that the 1973-74
Bruins were deleted of talent.

The Flyers dominated the NHL for 3 years, including 1975-76 when they lost
to Montreal in the final, but who remembers that they did go 36-2-2 at the
Spectrum that season.

Gerald, I suggest that you have a clue before you dismiss the Flyers as an
ugly abberation.



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From: hujic@ecf.toronto.edu (HUJIC DAMIR)
Subject: USENET Hockey Pool (People interested in Group Help?)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:11:08 GMT


Hi,

I'm looking for people who would be interested in working together in
monitoring how players in the NHL are doing from week to week.  As
most of you know, you have to stay on top of each game summary for the
week in order to give you the best chances to make the right moves on
the Monday trade deadline.  

Proposal:  If 20 guys were interested, then each week a different person
would be responsible for monitoring all points for a player.  When he/she
finally calculates the Sunday scores, on the Monday he/she sends the totals
to everyone on the group effort.  This way, you can make the educated moves
while minimizing personal efforts all before the Monday midnight deadline.

Anyone interested? With 20 people I figure at most 2 weeks is all you would
need to worry about.
From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Where does it all go ?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:47:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.222406.8072@island.COM> don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
>I understand that NHL rinks are of varying size. Where does the 
>extra space between rinks go ? Are the blue lines always the
>same distance from the red line ? 
>Don
>don@island.com
>


Most of the time the space is "lost" between the blue lines.

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Subject: Re: BEST FIGHTER??????
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:08:54 MST
 <1992Nov3.144444.4344@shearson.com> <1992Nov9.012204.19745@pool.info.sunyit.edu> <By5o6x.4Ju@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <By5o6x.4Ju@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, uskirshn@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Steven Kirshner) writes:
> excuse me all of you - but let's not forget STU GRIMSON; if anyone
> noticed, he tore marty mcSOREly apart Thursday night leaving him with a
> bloody jersey for the rest of the game..... he's definitely a force to
> be reckoned with.

You're right, I'll never forget Stu Grimson and the way Dave Brown used his
face for a speed bag. 

								Alan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:07:12 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SERIOUSLY! Pittsburgh IS ahead of Buffalo!

Penguins 4, Sabres 2.  Nothing like a little home cookin' after an 8-0 game.
(Not to mention 3 days rest!)  Hey, if we can't make fun of my own posting
title mistakes, what can we make fun of?  (Unfortunatley, I think I set
myself up for this question!)
** Rob **
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bruins News
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:29:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

Uh,maybe the Bruins brass reads this newsgroup afterall...:-)

Darren Banks was finally sent down Providence yesterday and Tim Sweeney
was called up. 

With Poulin most likely out for the Islanders' game tonight with a groin
pull,the second line shapes up like this :

Stumpel-Sweeney-Leach(Sutter figures that he'd better have someone who knows
how to play defensively on the same line with Stumpel and Sweeney :-)

Kvartalnov will not play tonight as confirmed this morning on Dale Arnold's
weekly 'Talkin' Hockey' show from the Garden on WEEI-590AM(Bruins' flagship) by
Boston Globe writer Kevin Paul Dupont, who ran into "Special K" at this
morning's practice. Dmitri just said,"No Play".

Reggie Lemelin will start tonight against the Isles. The Bruins are worried
about Andy Moog's confidence which has been shaky at best,lately. Stan
Fischler was on above-mentioned radio show and said that Clint
Malarchuck,playing with San Diego, would be ideal to fill Bruins goaltending
needs since he's so familiar with Adams division. Stan went on about other
"deals" which I'm not gonna mention here since we all know that
all his "rumors" are really true on the days that don't end with a "Y".

-PPV Mark
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