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From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: request tire pres v rolling resistance chart
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:26:29 GMT

In article <3420093@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> reb@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ralph Bean) writes:
>Awhile back, someone posted a table showing tire pressure vs rolling
>resistance.
>
>Would some kind soul please email me a copy?
>
>thanks,
>Ralph Bean
>reb@hprnd.rose.hp.com

me too!!!!!

thanks,


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Altimeter comparisons
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:35:26 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <6000029@hplsla.hp.com> garyw@hplsla.hp.com (Gary Wong) writes:
>If I remember correctly, the AV50 manual said the unit is "temperature
>compensated", which tells me you should see little difference in the
>amount of climbing for a given ride, whether you ride in the cool morning
>or hot afternoon.  My AV50 does seem quite consistent.
>
>If I pick up my AV50 off the living room table and hold it in my hand for
>5 - 10 minutes, I do notice the altitude reading will drop 40 - 50 ft.


Hold it in your hand for 20 min. I'll bet when everything gets equalized
it will come back.

We're dealing with two issues here. Temp comp (above) and change in 
density of the air with temp.  So if the air is less dense (hot day),
a given elevation change will show up as less pressure difference 
(less weight in a given column of air), and the altitude diff measured
will be less.

BR
From: u5115879@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Comprehensive Test!
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:54:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Maybe this will constitute a more comprehensive test than the last attempt!
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: SLX Tags Found
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:29:50 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

It didn't take long, Matt at Palo Alto Bicycles comes through with Original
Columbus SLX Tags.  I wonder what made him change his mind?  Anyhow, I'm glad
to see a company like Palo Alto Bicycles, stand by their product.  I will
continue to do business there, I think they are one of the best in the
Bay Area.
                                               Tom
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Routes from Fremont to Santa Clara
Keywords: Fremont, Santa Clara
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:55:41 GMT

|> if I go over the Dunbarton I have to go all the way up
|> to Menlo Park to avoid East Palo Alto, turning my 19 mile car
|> commute to a 30 mile bike commute.

According to my map, taking Willow Road through Menlo Park then
Middlefield south to University Ave. is only about 2 miles longer than
taking University Ave. straight through East Palo Alto.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:20:58 GMT

kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best) writes:
>Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>> 
>> I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
>> Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
>> Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
>> will be effective?  Thanks.

>Only four bucks? I sure hope they do a good job and don't ruin your wheels.  
>Most wheel truing that I've seen is about 10 bucks per wheel.

The "real" way to do it:
 	buy a spoke wrench	$   5  + or -
	buy Jobst's book	$  15
	buy a truing stand	$ 150  well, you want a good one, don't you
	buy a dishing tool	$  40  + or -

The "wing-it" way to do it:
 	buy a spoke wrench	$   5 (+ or -)

The "real" method will finance a lot of shop visits at either the $4
or $10 price.  Definitely for devout tinkerers.

The "wing-it" method's ultimate cost is indeterminent -- you may luck
out & it will work out all right, you may not figure it out & have to
opt for the "real" method, or you may screw the wheel up so bad you
that need a new one.  The latter situation however may be just the
excuse you need for making that leap to that C-Record Merlin you
always wanted.

Good luck.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer | bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                        |_______| <>
<>      lift-holic |  (this *often* works)        _O_    |___O___| | |_O_| | <>
<> Salt Lake City, | speaking only for myself, |_|_|_|_| | `'|`' |     |     <>
<>          Ootah  | one of my many tricks     |  / \  |    / \       / \    <>
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:19:55 GMT

Richard Mansfield writes:

> I have experienced a new problem with wheel truing. On a new wheel
> with new Wheelsmith spokes and nipples, I am having extreme difficulty
> adjusting the spokes. When I turn the nipple, all I get is wind-up, the
> spoke turns with the nipple.

I can't visualize this exactly for lack of background information.  I
assume the threads were oiled before starting and that the nipples went
on easily until all slack was taken up.  At least this is what should
have taken place if the spokes and nipples were compatible and they
were not defective.  Now then, as the spokes become tight a certain
torque is needed to advance the nipple onto the spoke.  This is normal
and, for swaged 1.8/1.6 mm diameter spokes amounts to as much as a
quarter turn when tight.  This is not damaging but it should be
relaxed with each adjustment by overshooting and turning back after
each tightening.

There is a book on this that describes these operations in minute
detail with diagrams.  I am paraphrasing here but you could get this
book "the Bicycle Wheel" at your local bike shop and be privy to all
the fine details that possibly even your bike shop mechanics don't know
since many of these are self taught in the art.

Go to it.  Build wheels and ride bike!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: jimk@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (James W Kimball)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Group Split Yet?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:01:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10249
Reply-To: jimk@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <92240.53875.J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Has this group split into all those that were voted on yet?
>I figured I would see from the menu but I won't know for certain
>if my menu never changes...

Same situation here, but I like it! Only 30 messages today to read. Let's
keep this one, it's just getting good!
From: Michael.Malak@halluc.com (Michael Malak)
Sender: UUCP@halluc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Book on adjusting gears
Date: 23 Aug 92  09:23:00 EDT

Can anyone reccommend a book on adjusting gears, including title, publisher, and
author?  The local bike store is always conveniently out of such books.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: LA BICICLETA COMO MEDIO DE TRANSPORTE.
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 08:47:48 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of <MERELLES@EVALUN11.BITNET>:
>
>                                                                1
>LA BICICLETA COMO MEDIO DE TRANSPORTE RAPIDO, EFICAZ, ANTIATASCOS,
>SALUDABLE, DIVERTIDO, COMUNICATIVO... ES UNO DE LOS GRANDES RETOS
>QUE NUNCA HAN SIDO DISCUTIDOS DE MANERA SERIA EN LOS OSCUROS
>SUBTERRANEOS DE LA POLITICA. BUENO, CASI NUNCA.
.
.  [lot of a (for me) non-readable language deleted]
.
>
>                        --oOo--
>
>
>ESPERAMOS QUE OS HAYA RESULTADO DE INTERES. HASTA PRONTO.

SAY WHAT????

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+
* I went back to my mother,           * Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes           *
* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
* She said, "I know how it feels son, * The Norwegian Institute of Tech.   *
* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics   *
*       - The Who, Quadrophenia       * e-mail: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no  *
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: Re: Tailwind and the Andrew Hurrican
Followup-To: freytag@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:24:50 GMT

In article <0095F927.D58CC120@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO> dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:
>I'm listening to a Norwegian living close to Miami reporting live
>about the hurrican over a phone line. He talked about wind speed up to
>150 mph are expected in downtown Miami.
>
>How fast can you ride if you get such a strong tailwind? (note: an
>incurable bikeaholic don't care about weater conditions - he/she ride
>in all kind of weater).
>
One good crosswind whipping around a building would certainly put you down.  
You would need to be riding a trike.

--- Richard Freytag
From: normdec@VNET.IBM.COM (Norm deCarteret 813-878-3994, TL 438)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cannondale SR900 for sale
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:38:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9208281740.AA12705

Campy Omnicron rims, Shimano 600 derailleurs, brakes, and pedals.
24" frame, tri bars.  List at $1,700, retail around $1,300,
sell for $750.  Less than 100 miles, mint!

Painted medium blue on bottom and top brackets, light bright green on
fork, tri-bar, and the logo on the down tube (which reads fullZOOT),
and pearl white elsewhere.  Paint is pristine.  The only sign that
the bike was ever ridden is the words "gear shift" are slightly worn
on the index knobs. Avocet computer. Chain lube is still transparent.

Norm  813-874-3400(home)  Tampa FL
From: camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (**bj**)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning MTB's
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <y-m-dr-@engin.umich.edu>, Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes...
> 
>	My family recently purchased moutain bikes, and in regards to cleaning
>them the dealer suggested occasionally taking them to a do-it-yourself
>car wash, using their high pressure spraying equipment followed by lots
>of SILICONE SPRAY to prevent rusting of key elements:  gears etc....

I don't know what this "dealer" has in mind, but I would **NEVER** subject
my bike to high pressure water sprays.  That's a sure way to force grit and
water into bearings where they will stay and chew away the bike's insides
everytime use the bike.

If your bike is really dirty, use a bucket of water, sponge, and elbow 
grease.  Hose off the bike with a LOW pressure stream of water, being
careful to keep the stream of water directed away from hub axles, bottom
bracket, headset, etc.  Dry bike frame with cloth like you would a car.
Quick short spray with WD-40 on the chain and freewheel ought to displace
water away from the gears to prevent rusting.  Let drip dry.  The whole
process takes me 10 minutes.

**bj**
From: ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Keeping Chamois Supple
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:04:55 GMT

What do y'all use to keep the chamois (just how does one pronounce that?) in
your cycling shorts supple?  Over time, it tends to dry out and stiffen up. 
Yes I do wash them (by hand) after every ride, but with a minimum of detergent
so as not to leach out whatever softener is there originally.

Seems I've heard the answer to this before, but senility is setting in at age
29.


Bob Novy
ra_novy@dal.mobil.com
Dallas, TX

No profundity here.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Campy pulls a Shimano -- buy another tool
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:34:13 GMT

>David Keppel (pardo@cs.washington.edu) wrote:
>: A mechanic told me that some current Campagnolo cranksets have one
>: dustcap reverse threaded.

jennings@lhotse.stortek.com (Jeff Jennings) writes:
>I find this a bit difficult to believe.  The Chorus and Record cranks do
>not have a dustcap, and require no special tools to pull the cranks, just
>a 7mm hex key.  ...  which crankset are you talking about?

The discussion originally came about because I was asking about a
so-called ``One Key Release'' crank arm fixer and extractor.  The shop
mechanic said he knew of only three: Sugino's Autex, Shimano's
Dura-Ace, and the Synchros Titanium one.  I said I'd heard Campagnolo
also makes one, whereupon he got a disgusted look on his face and said
that yes, they do, but as one of the ``dustcaps'' is reverse threaded,
you cannot use it on any cranks except the Campy ones; it might as well
be that they don't make them.  Further, you can't use a regular crank
extractor on those arms, either.  It sounds from Jeff like the Chorus
and Record ones are the ones to be careful about.  As I said in my
original posting, I don't know this factoid to be true, but if you're
buying a Campy crank, you should ask before you leap, er, buy.

		;-D on  ( I'll look, you leap )  Pardo
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22080 ba.transportation:2254
From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ba.transportation
Subject: Shoreline overpass grand opening
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:26:48 GMT
Reply-To: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

What          : The "Grand Opening" of the Shoreline Overpass
Where         : Shoreline over 101 in Mountain View
When          : Friday, September 25 at 9:45 a.m.
Why           : To "celebrate" the opeining of the "new & 
                improved" overpass. This is a *great*
                photo-op for bicycle commuting, and I hope
                that everyone who can will attend.

Bill
--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:16:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on purchase of TOURING bikes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:

> Are other towns of similar size [Fort Collins, CO, pop. 80,000] different 
> in this respect?
> 
> Yeah -- in my sporadic and anecdotal experience, most of them wouldn't 
> have "four major bike shops." My summer in Fort Collins several years
> ago left me with the impression that it is an unusually bike-conscious 
> place in all respects.

Good point.  Although many bicyclists here just whine that it isn't as much so
as Davis, CA.

> As for your actual question -- whether it's common to have a 1:1 mapping
> of brands and shops -- well, I dunno.  Most of the bike shops I see 
> hereabouts carry two or three brands.

Right, here too.  But no overlap:

Lee's: Bridgestone, Kestrel, Klein, Schwinn, Giant, Univega, GT
Cycle Transport: Specialized, Diamond Back, Cannondale, Nishiki, Gary Fisher
Bike Broker: Trek, Mongoose

Cycle Fit used to carry Diamond Back (before losing out to Cycle Transport) and
Specialized.  No idea what they do now.

The small mom-and-pop shops carry Rocky Mountain, Parkpre, Marin, Raleigh -
again, with no overlap.  Although I think my brain must be playing tricks on
me, because I can't believe the only Raleigh dealer just opened this year.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Damn REDNECK nailed me in Woodside!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:09:26 GMT

Well folks I've had my share of buttheads chasing me down wailing their horns
and such, but yesterday really got me steamed.

I was riding along 84, and turned on to portola at the climb and this kid
(~18-22, dark hair) riding a beat up tan ford(?) pickup threw a full cup of
water(?) in my face as I went by.

Luckily it didn't affect my riding and I zipped around and almost caught him beo
- opps - before he went up the hill. Got close enough to scream a few choice
words in his window - I was too rattled to think about tossing a water bottle
in his window (I wouldn't really do that would I? :-)) or get his liscence #.

I've seen this son of a ____ before (I'm tempted to wait there for him on my
Suzuki - let him try and out run that!). Watch out for him and if you do see
him, send me his plate #. Maybe the police would actually do something!

tom


-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Summary of under-$500 road bike recommendations
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:51:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

By request, a summary of responses:

1 for Diamnod Back Venture, found for $329
3 for Bridgestone RB-2 (only one mentioned a price: $525, this
	near Swarthmore College)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de (Thomas Driemeyer)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Tour from San Fran to L.A. in the fall (help)
Keywords: SanFrancisco LosAngeles
Organization: Thomas Driemeyer, Berlin
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:44:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.163728.8394@bmerh85.bnr.ca> ggoodwin@bnr.ca (Gregory Goodwin) writes:
> I am looking to do a ride from San Francisco to Los Angeles or
>vice-versa in the middle of September. Being from the the Central
>part of Canada,(Ottawa) any information on this is hard to come by.

I have done it once. Before you even think of starting, get the book
"Bicycling the Pacific Coast", Tom Kirkendall & Vicky Spring, publisher
The Mountaineers, ISBN 0-89886-232-9, US$ 12.95. Don't ride without it.
You might also get the Bikecentennial maps, but they are not that
important. Check out Jobst's list of things to carry.

Ride north to south, you will always have a tailwind. It is very hard
to ride south to north. Since everybody rides south, the shoulder on
that side is much better too, why pave the other one? You'll ride
almost all the time on Highway 1, except near Los Angeles where Highway
1 and the 101 freeway. Los Angeles itself, except possibly Santa Monica
and Venice, is a nightmare.

Bring a sleeping bag, and a tent (I didn't have a tent and got rained on
one night). Stay in Bikecentennial campgrounds, they have hiker/biker
space for $3/night. Some of these campgrounds are gorgeous, and you meet
lots of people. Don't stay in motels, you lose half the fun. 

My trip was 1100 km (700 miles) in 10 days. You can easily do it faster,
but I sometimes took detours to interesting places, like Lake Cachuma near
Santa Barbara. It could easily be done in 7 days, but the distance between
campgrounds sometimes define how far you should ride.

It is better not to ride alone. In case of an accident, or if you simply 
want to buy some bananas at a store and don't want to bolt your bike to
a lamppost and take all the valuables with you, it's much easier.

No horror stories at all, except in Los Angeles. If you like smog,
refineries as far as you can see, homicidal truck drivers, and run-down
suburbs, Los Angeles is the place to go. Another sort of horror might
be the abandoned stretches of road along the coast, with a long line
of camper trucks, each with a piece of astro turf on the asphalt in
front of it, and a fat guy on a chair reading TV guide. If I ever do
this sort of thing, would someone please come and shoot me? :-)

Thomas
-- 

--
Thomas Driemeyer      thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de      voice/fax: +49 30 8924936
From: odonovan@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivetrain Question
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:26:38 EDT

mmm@gss.com (Mitchell McLain) writes:
> The problem is that sometimes when I put pressure on my peddles to
> accelerate, I hear a rather loud SNAP and feel some give in the crank.
> It sounds and feels like something just broke, but when I look, nothing
> seems to be wrong, and everything works just fine afterwards.  It
> always sounds like it's happening on the chainring.  I'm suspecting a
> stiff link in the chain, but can't prove it.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's what it was on my bike.  Here's the really weird thing.
In dry weather, the chain was okay.  It just "clicked" every now and
again.  But man, as soon as the chain got wet, *every* single turn
of the crank caused exactly what Mitchell describes.  Anybody know
a reason for this?

I found the stiff link by watching the rear derailleur as I turned the
crank backwards.  The tension wheel jumped a bit at the bad link.  I
eventually exchanged the bad link with some others.  No problems now.

Hope this helps!
Kevin
--
Kevin O'Donovan                     | This .sig is custom designed for each
odonovan@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu  | posting and lovingly crafted by hand.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
From: snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicyc
Reply-To: snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.145155.28022@cci632.cci.com>, tims@cci632.cci.com
(Tim Sullivan) writes:
|>
|>melvin@math.psu.edu wrote this about Gas subsidies and taxes:
|>>While cursing the traffic jam caused by the toll booth on the Maine
Turnpike,
|>>I thought of how neat it would be to require cars to have large bar codes on
|>>the door so that tolls could be automatically charged to your MAC
card without
|>>slowing down.  With this system, all roads could be made into toll
|>>roads and car drivers could begin to pay for the immense physical and
|>>social destruction they cause.
|>	
|>	In todays New York Times (8/27/92) there is an article decribing how
|>	Motorola and Amtech Corp. are teaming up to create a radio controlled
|>	toll collection system that will charge tolls against a credit or debit
|>	card.

In Dallas such a system is already in use (has been for quite a while)
on the Dallas Tollway.

These "tolltags" are sensed (radio or IR I'm not sure) with cars going
through the toll booth at some rather high rates of speed (30-40mph)
much to the dismay of the police.
                  
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:37:16 GMT


Guido Bontempi.

You heard it here first.

-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis
From: mikel@taumet.com (Michael S. Lueke)
Subject: Question about tandem riding
Organization: TauMetric Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:37:55 GMT


For tandem experts:

I was recently told that, for a given gear, the stoker does more
work than the captain because the chainrings are on the stoker's pedal
axle.

This doesn't make any sense to me.  It seems that both riders are pushing
the same gear.  Am I missing something?

-- 
	Michael S. Lueke
	TauMetric Corporation, San Diego
	mikel@taumet.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WANTED - Training rides in W. Los Angeles
From: stern6@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Stern)
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:30:50 GMT
Distribution: USA

I will be in Los Angeles during September and would love to find
a group to ride with. If there is anybody reading who knows of
a training group in W. LA (Pacific Palisade, Santa Monica, that
area) and would let me know, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Stern
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles