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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Volleyball Dispute
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.200812.14682@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
|> In article 17449@athena.mit.edu, solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

|> >Standards of decency are still standards. That Soccer thing has to have evolved
|> >very slowly. For something like that to occur, there have to be some very
|> >public examples. The only oportunity for such an example to occur in volleyball
|> >is in the relatively rare (compared to highly publicised soccer events)
|> >international volleyball tournaments. As a result it is unfair to expect the
|> >same sort of "standards of decency" from volleyball as from soccer.
|> >
|> >Jason W. Solinsky
|> 
|> 
|> Whoa, Dream Team is Basketball, not volleyball.

I think he meant that such stadards are lacking in both the Dream Team's
behavior AND volleyball.

|> Also, international volleyball tournaments are not all that rare.  The
|> teams play each other quite often, in fact there is a world league which
|> pits the national teams against each other during the year.  T|> here is
|> just a lack of media coverage of volleyball, so that the average
|> Jason on the street ;-) are not aware of such structures in the sport. 

As I noted, however, compared to highly publicized soccer games, these
practically never occur. Note, in this instance highly publicized would
have to mean well known enough so that the entire next generation of
volleyball players knows that this is how things are supposed to be done.
Otherwise the "standard of decency" can't evolve. There are huge numbers of
such games in soccer each year. In Volleyball only the Olympics and World
Championships do the job. It is unlikely that the people who will be on
the Volleyball team four years would hear about any outstanding act of
courtesy that occured during these league games. Compare this to soccer.
In turns of the number of oportunities for such an exaple to be set, soccer
easily has an advantage by a factor of a good 100 over volleyball.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: yfeng@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Yongbing Feng)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:08:10 GMT

The protest has been accepted, which meant Japan beated USA by 3-1.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:31:10 -0400 
From: James T Graves <jg4o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.olympics: 27-Jul-92 Re: Barkley is a
jerk... by Kalle Kivimaa@robocop.cs 
> In <1992Jul27.055658.15252@ccad.uiowa.edu> bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar
N. Bhat
> ) writes:
> >The "Dream Team" can get away with anything and everything. Pack a bunch
>  
> He didn't get away with it.  He got a technical, which is a quite major
> penalty in basketball, as the other team gets two free throws AND the
> posession.
>  
> Whether or not he should have been ejected is debatable, I personally
> would say no.

Normally (for example, in a typical NBA game) I'd say that that wasn't
worthy of an ejection.  However, at the time of the elbow, the USA had
such an obscene lead that the penalty for a technical -- 2 shots and
posession -- was laughably trivial.  For that kind of puny penalty,
Barkley could have had a slugfest.  I think the *only* way to
effectively punish such a flagrant display of animosity and poor
sportsmanship is to eject the offender.  It's the only response that has
any effect.  

I wonder if Barkley thinks that beating up on Angolans will boost his
contracts...

  
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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:28:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul28.174041.49402@ccvax.ucd.ie> h234_112@ccvax.ucd.ie (Return to Sender...) writes:
 > In article <92209.085455BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Bernard BELL) writes:
 > > Those of you who watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics would have
 > > seen that the British team came in as under the name Great Britain, or
 > > more accurately, under Grande Bretagne, since the language of nomenclature
 > > for the parade was French. Does anyone know why the British compete as
 > > Grande Bretagne and not as Royaume Uni?
 > 
 > This has puzzled me too. As far as I know, the official name for the UK is
 > 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
 > Where does this leave the competitors from Northern Ireland?
 > Some certainly compete for Great Britain. Do they feel left out?
 > 
And why is the abbreviation on the oval white plates on cars GB, also for
Northern Ireland?  Now if you from across the North Sea could put your
acts together we would get somewhere ;-).
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From: tw@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Weichert)
Subject: Olympian Baseball !!??
Summary: How come??
Keywords: Baseball
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:56:32 GMT

With a shudder I just read that of all sports Baseball has now
gone olympic, What in the world......?
Not that I don't like Baseball, but it is not really the type 
of game one would expect to be played at Olympics, since it has 
so little following in the larger part of the world (= non US).
Perhaps it goes the same way as basketball, where it took us 
Non Americans until 1972 to catch up with the idea of Olympic
Basketball (e.g. SU winning against US in Munich)??!

Ah well, perhaps they give out free Chewies, Coke and Burgers!!

Thomas
  
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From: killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Volleyball Dispute
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:31:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.063034.19725@tamsun.tamu.edu> rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth) writes:
   Apparently (at least according to NBC's late night coverage) the team
   is going to make a protest of its own.  It will be interesting to see

If this is true, I wonder what has happened to the good old sporting
spirit of 'playing a fair game'?  Anybody remember the last Olympics
in Soul where in soccer there were several displays of good
sportsmanship?
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From: ml@vcp1.vcp.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Codes
Organization: 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:43:27 GMT

G'day,

In article <1992Jul30.023325.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
> AFG	Afghanistan

 [lots deleted]

> LIT	Lithuania

Huh?  I thought it was LTU.  Certainly it was shown as LTU in the Australia
coverage (Channel 7).  Any other variation of this theme?


Cheers,
Mik Lipcsey,
ml@vcp.monash.edu.au
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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:25:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.173051.14242@u.washington.edu> ileana@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ileana Blade) writes:
>rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>
>>compared with that of all the other competitors.  The top 36 gymnasts
>>qualify (out of 96 competing).  However, only three gymnasts per
>>country may advance to finals... when some have to be "removed" (this
>>always happens to the top nations), the officials continue down the
>>list ....
>
>Is this what's going to happen so that Tatiana Gutsu can enter
>the all-around individual final? It was so sad to see her fall
>off the beam ...
>
>ileana

No, this is essentialy _why_ Tatiana will not be able to compete in the
all-around individual final.  She was 9th overall, but the 4th of the 
Unified team gymnasts, thus the three above her advance and she does not.
The country does not get to choose which of their gymnasts advances, the best
three scores advance.  Talk of "removal" in Rachele's post refers to the fact
that gymnasts in the top 36 who do not advance because of the three/team 
limit leave extra spaces for gymnasts from other countries who were not in
the top 36 to still advance to finals.  Hope this clears it up.

btw, Gutsu did qualify for two of the event finals, so she still does have
some competing left to do.

--Robyn


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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: fairness
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:26:03 GMT

caplan@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Joshua Caplan) writes:
>
>How about a glimpse of soccer?  Hey, the US beat Kuwait, why not a
>little of that?

The answer is simple:   $$$

More precisely, USA will be hosting the 1994 soccer world cup, but the
TV rights are owned by ABC and ESPN. One would think that by showing a
few soccer games, NBC would do the Americans a favor, and set them up
for 1994. On the other hand, NBC will be boosting ABC's business for
1994 which means more $$$ for ABC, and that's a no no!

>caplan@cs.uiuc.edu	|	Joshua Caplan
>			|	Department of Computer Science
>			|	University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    --mack

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: SUMMARY: Olympic News, 29-07-92
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:14:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Summary of the days events from the 4th day of the 1992 Olympic Games

(ed note, I missed all of yesterday- sorry about that. New Boss :)

The much maligned NBC PPV will be given away free to cable TV viewers for
7 hours today and 7 hours Friday. The triplecast will be shown on the CNBC
channel from 4-8pm and 11-2am MDT. What will be shown is not known. NBC also
cut the single day viewing price from 29.95 to 19.95, and suggested cable
operators offer a saturday & sunday deal for 29.95.

A British biker took gold in the Mens Pursuit by lapping his opponent in the
4000M event...
Sweden's Stefan Edberg was eliminated from the tennis games....
The US lost to Japan in Women's Volleyball against Japan and in Baseball
against the heavily favoured Cubans. The US handily defeated its opponents
Germany in Basketball and the field in the Mens 400 Freestyle relay...
The Unified team took care of its dominance in Mens Gymnastics by defeating
China and Japan....
In Other stuff, the US struck gold in Mens springboard diving, the 200M
breaststroke, but was eliminated from the Soccer competition because of
a 2-2 tie with poland, which won the Pool and advances to the medal round.

It was the busiest day for medals, with 17 of the games 52 total medals
being handed out today:
Cycling: Mens Pursuit: Chris Boardman, GBR
Diving: Mens Springboard: Mark Lenzi, USA
Gymnastics: Mens, Team: EUN
Judo: Mens 86kg, Waldemar Legien, POL
Judo: Womens 66kg: Odalis Reve Jimenez, CUB
Modern Pentathalon: Individual: Arkadiusz Skrzypaszek, POL
Modern Pentathalon: Team: POL
Shooting: Mens Free Rifle: Lee Eun-Chul, S. Korea
Swimming: Mens 200M Breaststroke: Mike Barrowman, USA
Swimming: Mens 400M Freestyle: Evgueni Sadovyi, EUN
Swimming: Mens 400M Freestyle Relay: USA
Swimming: Womens 100M Breaststroke: Elena Roudkovskaia, EUN
Swimming: Womens 100M Butterfly: Qian Hong, CHN
Weightlifting: 67.5kg, Israel Militossian, EUN
Wrestling: 48kg, Oleg Koutherenko, EUN
Wrestling: 74kg, Mnatsakan Iksandarian, EUN
Wrestling: 130kg, Alexander Karelin, EUN

Highlights of todays event:
Womens basketball starts today.
Mens 50M Freestyle: Matt Biondi vs. Tom Jaeger
Womens Gymnastics, Team/Individual Finals
Final day of the Equestrian 3-day event, Jumping
Much more swimming...
US Mens volleyball Vs. Spain
Track Cycling.

r.
From: helena@cs.cornell.edu (Helena R. Dias Lourenio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Address NBC
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:19:23 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


Here is the address  and telephone of NBC_sports, in case you want to write:

                    NBC-Sports
                    30 Rockfeller Plaza
                    New York NY 10112

                   tel. 212-664 2721

I will write complainig about the comments by the "professionals" about 
other countries. It is ridiculous what they say about some countries in 
africa, about Spain, etc etc. This "professional" should be more 
PROFESSIONAL and comment on the sport that they are transmiting and 
don't make stupid comments about cultures that they don't know and they 
shoul at least respect.
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From: ileana@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ileana Blade)
Subject: Re: Tatiana Gutsu (was re: GYMNASTICS: results)
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:44:57 GMT

rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:

>The former Soviets were famous though for claiming that one or two of
>their top three qualifiers were injured, and thus giving a qualifying
>spot to a gymnast they believed could win the all-around.  Most
>notably, in '85 they claimed that two of their qualifying gymnasts

thanks for the info. 
did you mean to imply that that was sort of justified since both times
those forced substitutions ended up in victories?

do you think it could happen with Tatiana? that they would have her
substitute for Roza (who's really young and not so used to pressure)? 
after all Tatiana was behind by a centesimal or so ... 

and didn't the US do something similar with Kim Zmeskal by altering
the order in the aparatus so she'd be more likely to receive higher
scores from the judges, and favouring her over Kerry ?

ileana


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From: jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson)
Subject: Re: 2000 Olympic Games
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:18:03 GMT

In <nazim.712262454@cwis> nazim@cwis.unomaha.edu (The Unknown) writes:

>Hi, 
>here are some cities, which applied for the 2000 Olimpics :
>Istanbul/Turkiye; Berlin/Germany; Sidney/Australia; Taskent/A country from central Asia;
>Peking/China ....

>Regards
>Nazim

I did know that Sydney (my home) was competing for the 2000 olympics. We
here that we are favourites, or at least have an excellent chance of getting
it. I was wondering what people with a less biased viewpoint thought about
Sydney's vs other cities chances of winning the event.

Jaimie
From: stevel@Autodesk.COM (Steven W. Litras)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:13:01 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
:: In article <AeRBiSi00Uh_87bBxQ@andrew.cmu.edu>, James T Graves <jg4o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
:: 
:: There's another way to punish him. If I were the coach I would have
:: replaced him immediately and not letting him play anymore during at
:: least this game.
:: 
:: Veit
:: 
::::::::::


Boot him off the team. He should not be representing the US.

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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
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Subject: Gymnastics: results
Summary: Romania currently leads the former Soviets
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:37:26 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

Romania is currently leading the Unified Team!  China is currently in
3rd, and host country Spain is in 4th.

The competition is structured such that each team sends out no more
than two gymnasts per round of competition, with the number per
session determined by a random draw.  The CIS*, Romania, Spain, and
China have each already sent out four competitors, while the US has
only competed two gymnasts so far.  Currently the US is in 9th, but
the scores truly cannot be compared until the end of today when all
gymnasts have completed their compulsories.

Current results of the compulsory competition, 2 of 4 rounds completed.
1. Romania 156.658
2. CIS     156.645
3. China   155.645
4. Spain   155.546

Oksana Chusotivina (CIS) missed a transition move from the low to the
high bar, resulting in a 9.012.  Almost all other routines from the
CIS have scored above 9.75.

Mirela Pasca (ROM) had balance problems on the beam, resulting in a
9.512.

At the end of the day, the top five scores from each team on each
apparatus will be taken for the team compulsory total, so it is likely
that Chusotivina's and Pasca's scores will be the low ones, and thus
thrown out.

* Please note that I do not know if the former Soviets are called only
"The Unified Team" or also "The Commonwealth of Independent States".
I am used to seeing "CIS" for the three-letter abbreviation, but
perhaps there is a new abbreviation.  I will use what NBC uses.

Rachele
email: rachele@cs.rice.edu
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:22:03 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

gopal@tamsun.tamu.edu writes:

>He he! You should have seen a recent article in Houston Chronicle giving a
>map of all the countries which play baseball.Almost every country except those
>in Central Africa and two countries in South America are supposed to play 
>baseball.

If that is correct then I must have been totally blind during my 21 years
in Denmark. Not once have I seen or heard (must be deaf too) anything
about baseball - I have seen cricket though so I guess that not only
does I suffer from lack of input from my sensory organs but I'm also
hallicunating.
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From: dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner)
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Subject: Re: Macedonian athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:20:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes, apropos
of news of Macedonian particpation in the Olympics:
>Since the so-called "Macedonian" state has not yet been recognized 
>by most of the countries of the world (including the USA and the EEC), 
>the main argument against its recognition being the use of the 
>the name Macedonia, I can't understand how the sport reporters will
>inform their countries that these athletes are coming from Macedonia
>and not simply from the ex-Yugoslavia.

Television and newspaper reporters - in Britain, France,  USA  and  most
other  countries  -  will  undoubtedly  continue  the practice they have
already adopted, of calling the place  by  its  proper  name,  which  is
Macedonia.   Only in Greece does the use of the word Macedonia appear to
be causing mental indigestion.

The claim that "most countries" object to (ex-Yu)  Macedonia's  name  is
quite  false - the SOLE country objecting to recognition of the Republic
of Macedonia is Greece.  In the case of the EC  countries,  the  foreign
ministers  voted  eleven to one IN FAVOUR of recognising Macedonia under
its own chosen name - Greece was the one vote against, and exercised its
veto (since EC foreign policy requires unanimity).

The reason given by James Baker (in a recent newspaper report)  for  the
US  not  recognising Macedonia is that they fear the Greek government is
so unstable it may fall if Macedonia is publicly recognised.  Given  the
climate  of  nationalist hysteria in Greece over the name Macedonia that
sounds all too plausible.

From what I've heard of the Greek government's policy on this  question,
I'd  argue  that  the  rest  of  the world should go ahead and recognise
Macedonia anyway - if the Greek government falls as a consequence,  this
could  be  an additional benefit.  A government that charges people with
treason for expressing opinions it disagrees with (as  has  happened  to
Greeks  calling  for  recognition  of  Macedonia)  deserves  no sympathy
whatsoever.

Macedonia is small, poor,  friendless,  and  threatened  by  two  larger
powers  -  Greece  and  Serbia.  We should be throwing the Macedonians a
lifeline, not telling them to change their name.

I am happy to see them at the Olympics.
From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:05:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Jul29.173051.14242@u.washington.edu> ileana@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ileana Blade) writes:
>rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>
>>compared with that of all the other competitors.  The top 36 gymnasts
>>qualify (out of 96 competing).  However, only three gymnasts per
>>country may advance to finals... when some have to be "removed" (this
>>always happens to the top nations), the officials continue down the
>>list ....
>
>Is this what's going to happen so that Tatiana Gutsu can enter
>the all-around individual final? It was so sad to see her fall
>off the beam ...
>
>ileana

 No Tatiana Gutsu will not be in the individual all-around because she
did not finish in the top three for the Unified team due to her fall on
her beam mount.  What it means is that even though all 6 Americans and
Unified Teams members finished in the top 36 only the top three from each
team will be allowed in the individual all-around final. 

BTW the same thing happened to Olga Korbut in 72, on bars. So she missed
the individual all-around final but captured two golds in individual events.
Tatiana I'm sure made the top eight in a couple of individual events allowing
her to go for some medals for the Ukraine since medals in the all-around and
individual events will be awarded to individual countries.
 
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