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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: GOD
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <lmasrcINNnen@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:

[deleted]

>    You know, there are a lot of people like myself who really get
>tired of you guys and your noise. Why don't you show a little
>consideration and just leave us alone? The only thing your accomplishing
>with your actions is to convince those of us who have studied
>religion that Christians in general are basically void of any conscious
>thought, and only able to ape those phrases handed down to them by their
>leaders. 
>
>    If you want to pester someone, go pester someone else.

I just saw a comedy show last night at the Improv and one of the
comedians was named Tom Kenny -- he's QUITE liberal.  He talked about
shoving a pole up Rush Limbaugh's ass ;-).  

Anyway, during the beginning of his routine, he just said, "While, I'm
up here and have your attention, I'd like to ask how many of you have
accepted Jesus Christ into your life and been bathed by his blood as
your personal savior.  Seriously, because I've only got two or three
hours up here . . ."  It was quite nice to see that lampooned with such
a straight face!

Blessings,
Janis
From: liam%alehaus@brewich.hou.tx.us (liam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Of many things..
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:26:34 CST
Organization: The Alehaus, a Brewer's Witch affiliate, alehaus@brewich.hou.tx.us

martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ok) writes:

> So where is the Magick Cauldron?  I need a shopping excuse to drag my Pearlan
> friend up into Houston proper when I go down to visit..
> 

        It is on I-10 @ kirkwood (i think)  on the east bound side 
(heading towards town) just west of the tollway.  
        Comming from town, take I-10 west to kirkwood then @ kirkwood 
u-turn under the freeway. the shop is on the right in the center with 
JJ's sleep shop.
                                Blessed Be,
                                         Liam

------------------
liam%alehaus@brewich.hou.tx.us
Origin: The Alehaus -- Houston, TX -- 
     If you don't vote....DON'T BITCH
                                -unknown
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Origin of the Pentacle?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:52:25 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1jkce5INNbek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> napalm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (jason hill) writes:
>im i the only one how sees the human body repressented in the  pentacle?
>top point=head; side points=hands; bottom points=feet
>
>-jason
>visualise whirled peas

No. Leonardo da Vinci saw it several centuries ago.

Bb,
Corun


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    Corun MacAnndra    |     What appears to be coming at you,
  Dark Horde by birth  |           is coming from you.
    Moritu by choice   |			J. Flanders
From: K.M.Hetherington@bradford.ac.uk (KM HETHERINGTON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: latest update on the Circle thing - SF Bay Area Pagans PAY ATTENTION
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:17:35 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92129050@mail
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hmm... The article to which this is a reply was obviously around whilst the
newsfeed was down here. I'm editing a newsletter so the following info
would be extremely useful to me:

What's been going on at Circle Sanctuary?
Who's this chap doing the picketing and why is US law failing to stop it
(don't you have the offence of obstruction over there?)

If anyone could mail me the original article, I'd be most pleased!
From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Imbolc/Brigid/Candlemass Ritual in Durham NC
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:55:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den


	The Celebrate the Circle Chapter
	of the 
	Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans

	presents a

	P U B L I C   R I T U A L

	in celebration of

	IMBOLC / BRIGID / CANDLEMASS

	Monday, February 1, 1993 C.E.

	7:30 post meridian (promptly!)  Eastern Standard Time (UCT-5)

	at

	The Eno River Unitarian Universalist Fellowship

	4907 Garrett Road
	Durham  NC  27713   USA
	+1  919 489 2575

	The ritual will be followed by a potluck feast.

	The ritual consists of invocation, dancing, poetry, music,
	drumming, chanting, and (always) celebrating!

	Celebrate the Circle rituals are open to all persons who
	are sympathetic to the principles of the Unitarian Universalist
	Association.  We are an eclectic groups of women and men, mostly
	Unitarian Universalist, who gather to celebrate the seasons, the
	circle of life, and to promote acceptance of alternative
	spiritual paths.

	Exact directions can be obtained from the Fellowship Office by
telephone or by e-mail from this account.  Or you can contact me or
Leona at 919 493 1998.

					Wolfe
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den, Durham NC	[This site is NOT affiliated  ]
wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us			[with Duke University! Idiots!]
UUCP: ...!duke!wolves!wolfe      <Standard Disclaimers apply>
    Above All, we celebrate!  --Celebrate the Circle, Statement of Purpose.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: The ABYSS Catalog
Reply-To: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:34:42 GMT

Could someone please post the US-Mail address for the Abyss bookstore?  It's
been a while since I received one of their catalogs, and embarassingly enough
a friend of mine asked me about something I was *SURE* was in it... and I
couldn't find a copy of it.  Thanks!
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: article in Boston magazine
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:01:38 GMT

man@labrea.zko.dec.com (Richard Man) writes:

>> > area. It contains several good interviews and quotes from Boston area
>> > pagans. It was very unbisased and actually, extremely pagan positive from
>> > my perspective. I recommend seeking it and and having a look see if you
>> > can. Also, might be useful for Boston area pagans seeking connections..
>> >
>> well, you COULD just post the possible contacts yourself...  please?
>> PRETTY please?  B)
>>                                                 -ailsa

>The article is mainly on the EarthSpirit folks. Some of the pictures were
>apparently taken for the Times-Life Witches and whatever book.

yeah..that's the one.. I guess my effusiveness was misleading.. it's not really
such a good resource for making connections unless you want to hook up with
EarthSpirit.. I mean, it doesn't list organizations or phonenumbers or 
anything like that.

Blessings
al


>--
>- Richard F. Man (man@labrea.zko.dec.com)
>"Small Rovers, Big Dreams"
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Winds' Four Quarters"
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:15:02 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu

mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:
>>
>>Well, Misty is indeed a Wiccan high priestess, 
>
> Really? Has she told you this herself? I have had friends (who should
>have known better) ask her about her relation to Wicca and her response
>was that her religion was a private matter and not something to be
>discussed publically. If she is Wiccan, she has made it pretty clear that
>it isn't to be discussed and she has gone out of her way NOT to state her
>religion before.

We have friends in common.  I resent the implication that I am outing
someone who, as far as our mutual friends have told me, is open about
her religious beliefs.  I don't doubt that she may have made it clear
to your friends that she didn't wish to discuss it with them when they
asked her.  One wonders if the context may have something to do with
it -- did they ask her about her religion at a convention or a book
signing or any other equally inappropriate setting?

> If you can't substantiate why you say she is an HPS, I will assume you
>are just responding to the rumors that accompany her because of her Diane
>Tregarde books.

Look, I'm not going to stand on my head or anything to make you
believe me.  You can think what you want -- you probably will anyway.
But rest assured that I *do* know what I'm talking about and I
*haven't* outed anyone.

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: rlove@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Rebecca M. Love)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Catalogs! Lots of Catalogs! (long)
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:16:25 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.


   I missed this posting....(darn darn darn darn)  :)  I was waiting for
a long time to see it, and out news reader gobbled it up...:( :(

   Could someone send me their copy?  Pretty please??

Blessed be,

Becky
From: bast@wam.umd.edu (Jaguar)
Subject: Cats and goddesses
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:35:40 GMT


Stacey, 
To my knowledge one symbolisim of the cat is that of a solar goddess.
Note Bastet and Shekmet.
Bastet is the cat-headed goddes, associated with the warm, lifegiving
aspects of the sun... fertility, joy, ect.
Shekmet is the lion-headded goddess, associated with the destructive aspects
of the sun... driought famine, death, ect
One place I have sseen claimed that artimes may have been modeled after bastet..
Regardless... cats with thier reflective eyes have been linked with the sun.
Also the moon.
Thjey have been linked with fetility.. (oops read fertility)
Because of thier.. ummm.. noisy matings...
Jguar
ack.. I really can't spell
Jaguar
sulking in corner
From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Baby welcoming ritual
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:27:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: phylo.genetics.washington.edu

Um, guys, you know the only way to keep alt.pagan from filling up with
non-pagan material is NOT TO REPLY TO IT AT ALL, don't you?

Anyway.

This Imbolc we are incorporating into our public ritual a welcoming for
the new baby of one of our members.  We had a lengthy discussion of how
to do this--we didn't want to be making promises on the child's behalf--
and ended up with a ritual in which ritualists representing the four
quarters and the goddess Brigid bring symbolic gifts for the child.
Little things, nuts and stones and feathers, to go into a pouch for her
to keep.  Each of us is reading a few lines from a children's book which
talks about the Earth on the day the child was born:

"On the day you were born,
The golden Sun sent up great flares of fire 
To light your sky from dawn to dusk....

On the day you were born,
The Moon drew the tides up
To wash the beaches clean for your footprints."

The last bit of that is about the circle of humanity welcoming the
child, and we'll ask the whole circle to welcome her by name.

Has anyone else done something like this?  How did it go?

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Masonic Practices??
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:30:15 GMT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) writes:

> an4484@anon.penet.fi writes:
> 
> > Date Entered: 01-24-93 03:46
> > 
> > 
> > My understanding (as much I guess as an outsider could have) of Masonic
> > practices would be that they descend from the Knights Templar of around
> > the time of the middle ages. Their purpose inbeing was to be the guardians
> > of the Holy Grail.
> > 
> > Funny though....I was talking to a Witch whose grandfather was a Mason and
> > it seems their beliefs are a little more elaborate than that. It seems that
> > the whole idea behind Masonry is that Christ as a man was married or at
> > least had sexual relations with Mary Magdelan which produced offspring.
> > The Masons  then have one purpose....to defend these descendants of Christ
> > down through the ages.
> > 
> > Any comments on this?
> > 
> > 
> > ... ...
> > ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
> 
> Sounds like the basic theme of Holy Blood, Holy Grail (Baigent, Leigh,
> and Powell) ... which, lacking specialist knowledge of the time period
> dealt with, I use as a working hypothesis until something better
> comes along.
>                                                  A.Lizard

OOPS!!! I hate putting something on Usenet and suddenly remembering
that I posted something that reads drastically differently from 
what I intended to say.

What I INTENDED to say is that the Christ married to Mary Magdalene
scenario presented in Holy Blood, Holy Grail is what I use as a working
hypothesis, along with the idea that Masonry has its roots in 
an organization devoted to the purpose of protecting the "Holy Blood",
not that modern Masonry has that purpose today. (or has had that
purpose for the last few hundred years) ... if I only could get people
to read what I MEANT, not what I said.

                                             Bright Blessings,
                                                  A.Lizard

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From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:45:06 CST
Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

It is, of course, Chinese New Year! Hope all of you are healthy and
happy.

What a beautiful life that lets us celebrate so many New Years! :)

Blessed Be!


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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Subject: Re: Fat Goddesses (was Re:  Of Many Things...)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:35:15 GMT

In article <69-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
   pity one almost never sees contemporary drawings or artwork of fat
   goddesses.  most of the goddess drawings i have seen are of lithe
   willowy dears.  no muscles, no fat.  *sigh*  why do our deities need to
   look like fashion models?  how come you never see pictures of teh
   goddess as a PLAIN woman, for that matter?  or as a not-goodlooking but
   at the same time not menacing woman?  

Did you see the picture in the Arisia art show of the triple goddess /
three fates in the winter snow as three middle aged sort of Russian
looking women?  Rather inconspicuous but amazing bit of work.

                                     Blessings,
                                            dan

--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Summary: Giving this sucker the SARCASTRATION he asked for....
Keywords: "Eck" (what a PERFECT name for it, I feel that way about it too)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:19:32 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories



In article <1993Jan25.164134.3287@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu 
writes some dreck about living divine masters.....

(....snip.....)
> 
>               One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
>          Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
>          "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, 
>          (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427). 

(...snip..[don't worry, you didn't miss much].....)

> 
>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
> 
> 
>                                           Robert E. McElwaine
>                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar


	And another living master is J.R. "Bob" Dobbs! Yes, "Bob" can save your 
SOUL and give you ETERNAL LIFE  for he is more than ANY so called 'eck' master, 
"Bob" was contacted by the OneTrueSpaceAlienGod (pat.pend) and learned the arts 
of SACRALIGION and EXCREMEDITATION! "Bob" is now a true MASTER, a master of 
SLACK and controls the LUCK PLANE, the world of coincidence and good fortune! 
"Bob" surfs the LUCK PLANE, gathering generous handfuls of SLACK for all his 
followers!!! Couldn't you use a little SLACK today? "Bob" can grant you SLACK 
and will lift you up from the CATASTROPHE of ARMAGEDDON to boot! Hell, "Bob" 
even knows when IT is going to happen!!! Can you afford not to KNOW the sacred 
WORD of "Bob"?!?!?! Join us! Become a SUB-GENIUS, Save your SOUL, gain eternal 
SLACK and reserve your seat on the PLEASURE SAUCERS today by sending $20 to:


		THE CHURCH OF THE SUB-GENIUS
		      P.O. BOX 140306
		     DALLAS, TX   75214


		Altered INTERCOURSE and SEXERCISE of your DIVINE PLEASUREGLAND 
is ENCOURAGED, nay DEMANDED of you! Go screw a beautiful THING today!!!!

			- Ashley,
			Exhaulted High Pooh-bah,
			Director of Operations, Kaos Laboratories, 
			Soverign Republic of Steve

	(Kaos Labs VestialVirgins(tm) are now available for your pleasure in 
	the sex of your choice! We do frat parties, bachelor parties and 
	bar-mitzvahs!! Request your favorite again and again, VIRGINITY is 
	SURGICLY RESTORED and GAR-UN-TEEED!)













BAH-HAH-HAH-HAH! Back at 'cha "Eck"-man!

			............sometimes being silly is not enough.
From: Keith R. Elflein <kre@po.CWRU.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: GOD
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:24:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:19:38 GMT

Subject: GOD
From: Richard Willis, Richard.Willis@iphase.fidonet.org
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:28:00 EST
In article <728022574.0@iphase.fidonet.org> Richard Willis,
Richard.Willis@iphase.fidonet.org writes:
>
>               To Whom It May Concern,
>
>               There is a true god. Satan is real. Follow him and you
will go
>to hell. Follow Jesus and inherite eternal life. Any questions?
>
>
> * Origin: U_PAGAN: <<<<<<<<<< RE-ELECT NOBODY! >>>>>>>>>> (1:112/29)

Ok...this person obviously has no education in religion at all. He is
certainly a narrow-minded, ignorant christian. I encounter these a
lot...let me make a suggestion to you: I HIGHLY doubt that you have ANY
basis to criticize any religion at all when you lack experience. So read
up on other religions, then come back and criticize all you want.

Blessed Be,
Keith
"Double double, toil and trouble...fire burn and cauldron bubble!" -
*hahaha* Don't ya love it!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: Fat Goddesses (was Re:  Of Many Things...)
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:01:08 GMT


And the Steve Boylan award for the best song parody of the month
goes to none other than Ailsa N.T. Murphy for her masterpice (or
should that be mistresspiece?):


In article <69-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP>, ailsa@wonky.UUCP
(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

> i don't care if it rains or hails, so
> long as i got my blue glass ailsa
> hanging o'er the dashboard of my car...

				- - Steve



--
Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival,
April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: myddryn@netcom.com (Le Mauvais Sophiste)
Subject: Re: Magic Shop
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:08:49 GMT

Definitly, networking and ritual tools. And try not to buy into those very
expensive prefab tools. I've searching too long for a nice athame that 
doesn't cost a fortune. 
  And most importantly, open near me :)

---
"An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications."
			-Lazarus Long


Adam Sussman	- myddryn@netcom.COM
		- asussman@ucsd.edu
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Subscriptions
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:10:23 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:

>Here's a list of names and addresses of some periodicals.
>[...]
>
>      Fly By Night
>      P.O. Box 12041
>      Austin, Texas
>      78711

Where did you get this one?  At any rate, that's the Pagan Alliance of
Central Texas' monthly newsletter, and is available only to members or
through newsletter exchange.  We don't even send out sample copies,
since it has people's names and other personal stuff in it.

So if people want info on PACT, please do contact us.  But we don't
have periodicals available to the public.

Speaking as the former newsletter editor and the current corresponding
secretary of same...

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Cloaks/Robes
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:01:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA



I am shamed....

Some time ago I asked for information regarding sources for ritual
robes and or cloaks.

Some (Much exhalted) alt.pagan'er replied that he/she would love
to stitch one up for me...

To said alt.pagan'er  : I've lost your e-mail address!

ACK!

-- 
uni@acs.bu.edu  ->  Public Keys by finger and/or request
Soverignty is the sign of a brutal past.
From: martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ok)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Oh, life is so unFAIR!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:37:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.cc.utexas.edu

Now I wanna go to Boston.. but it's so COLD.. and so far.. and plane tickets
would be so expensive...

Maybe it's just that I dont know of any pagans in central texas that have
anything like a collection of 2 year olds amongst them.. they seem to be
either students or single people..

(sigh)
sheilagh
From: A.j..Drew@f520.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (A.j. Drew)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Mercedes Lackey
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:39:01 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/520 - Mystic Life, Columbus OH

Concerning your observations on filks dome by Mercedes Lackey, I don't
see why they couldn't be considering she is Pagan.  Or at least she was
when I knew her as Misty back in Indiana.
 
(c) Blessed be and ride free,
 
    A.J. Drew
    The Mad Monk of the Midwest


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