From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:06:09 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich) was telling me...
>
>Why do people whine about a proposed news group alt.irc.bots?  It's
>trivial to make a new alt.group.  I've been thinking about doing it,
>myself, just to shut up the whiners.  If your news admins won't make
>the spool dir-- read the group in ``junk'' and explain to them that
>they're being childish.  Besides, its your problem and your loss--
>either get a net news admin or whine to them until they do what you
>want-- just don't whine to the world about them.

Mostly because I don't think there is enough serious discussion about
them that necessitates the need for another group.  Most bots are written
in ircII scripts...and there is already an underused ircii newsgroup.

Those of us with clue enough to write a robot in another language
probably don't need a newsgroup to discuss it.

>I personally won't help people who simply want to make a "chopbot."
>IMHO, 98% of the chopbots in IRC are trivial and complete jokes.

MOst bots are just op bots...They add little spiffy niceties just
to make them seem more useful, but are really just to op people

>Channel modes are neat...  but they fail when coupled with IRC's brain
>dead protocol and implementation.  Anything that can be exploited via

So why not supply some patches to fix it?

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>*NICK* Yes, I am accusing you... as does Trillian...  we need some hard
>+evidence though so we can run you up a flagpole.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
><Flatline> jupe the puppy
><Daemon> That might be fun..
><mlv> i'd be willing to jupe if ya think it'd be a good idea...
><mlv> my 386bsd ircserver loves to jupe :)
><Vesa> why don't you talk to oper on *.mx ?
><Vesa:#TWilight_Zone> ok, who wanted to play with jupe? Maybe a couple are
>+needed..
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Why not allow some bots to do the same?  IRC is already a pathetic
>online dating service complete with a sandbox (which, after some
>virtual water is added, alternatively serves as a mud wrestling arena
>for the #sex'rs).  So, anyone up for a little one-on-one, bots only?
>Hell, lets make a channel #BotSex for all those who wish to
>participate.  Forget using IRC to attack another person, write a bot
>and allow your hostilities to be released as the bot battles it out
>with all the rest.  Will you really lose sleep if a bot has a grudge


Oh come now Scott.  Like you are completely above suspicion.  You had
your stupid flood and annoy bots out to get people.  You were responsible
for that code and didn't seem to have a problem with unleashing it on people
but as soon as you have a problem with people 'ganging' up on you, you 
whine to us about it?  Get real.

>against you or your bot?  Will you send a death threat because a bot
>is "hitting" on your bot's cyber.friend?  Yeah, some wimps will
>continue to abuse /kill for their quick release of agression, but all
>/kill does is possible remove channel modes-- and, hey, if your bot
>can't handle a /kill -- you're out of your league.

And some people like you will continue to ABUSE bots.  You're right 
in your league, Scott.

>A Game Bot.  I thought there would have been many more GAME BOTs in
>IRC by this time.  There's an idea for a possibly creative, useful and
>non-destructive bot.

I was going to write one of these...I had tic-tac-toe ready for testing
but soon stopped due to admins at one of my sites not allowing 
nice nohuped processes.

>IRC Log *** Mon Nov 16 09:53
>*** There are 759 users and 251 invisible on 132 servers
>*** There are 259 channels.
>*** I have 17 clients and 13 servers
>
>Channel    Nickname  S   User@Host (Name)
>#initgame  LogicBot  H@  nbrao@M11-116-11.MIT.EDU (Black wind come carry me far away...)

Doesn't this bot do something sort of useful on initgame?

>#eu-opers  EU-Oper   H@  eubotty@tiger.itc.univie.ac.at (/msg EU-Oper info)

Probably does something useful too...

>#services  InfoServ  H   InfoServ@dsrbg2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Experimental Information Service)
>#services  NoteServ  H   NoteServ@dsrbg2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Experimental Notification Service)
>#services  NickServ  H   NickServ@dsrbg2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Experimental Nickname Service)
>#services  NOTE-NO   H*  jarle@lgserv0.cs.UiT.No (Try /msg note-no help)
>#services  WebServ   H   webster@copper.uio.no (Mr. Webster)
>#services  ConvServ  H@  ConvServ@129.177.230.3 (Conversion Service)

Useful bots...what a concept...


>*          help_AU   H   IRCIIhelp@babel.cltr.uq.oz.au (Regional IRCIIhelp for Australia)
>#IrcHelp   HelpServ  H   ckane@CyberDyne.ece.uiuc.edu (/msg HelpServ help)

Help...always nice....Good example of regional bots.


I deleted all bots that I thought were a waste (IMHO)  I did delete lots of
'info' bots...  I think they are semi useful to useful...but I just deleted
too many before I decided I could include them.

-Alex
Newsgroups: alt.irc