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From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: Simple preprocessor
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:46:30 GMT
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay) writes:
>Not really, just one less character to have to escape, one less variant
>international glyph to worry about. C may not use $, but other texts may.
>I infer from your reason that the '(' after the '$' is optional (in some
>contexts): i.e., $foo will expand the foo macro. I had thought otherwise.

The '(' after the '$' is only optional for single character macros.  This
can still be a problem even though there are no single letter preprocessor
directives.  "@DEFINE" could mean define a macro or it could mean expand
macro "D" and append "EFINE" to the result.  The use you suggest would
require the preprocessor to recognize some sort of punctuation (e.g. space)
and that would limit or at least complicate its use as a general tool.

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From: mark@ginger.biophys.upenn.edu (Mark Elliott)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Lego Logo for the Macintosh
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:55:30 GMT

Does anyone know how to contact the vendor of a software/hardware
product, "Object LOGO" for the Macintosh, which is a good LOGO but
also supports Lego LOGO?
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: Bernard Orenstein <bernie@resntl.bhp.com.au>
Subject: SuperNOVA by Four Seasons Software
Organization: BHP Research (Newcastle Laboratories)
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:27:25 GMT

Has anybody used SuperNOVA from Four Seasons Software?
If you have, then please mail me some comments.  I would
appreciate it.

Thanks,
Bernie
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.logo
From: oneil@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Graham O'Neil)
Subject: Re: Lego Logo for the Macintosh
Followup-To: comp.lang.logo
Summary: (617) 576-7675
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:03:56 GMT

In article <84317@netnews.upenn.edu> mark@ginger.biophys.upenn.edu
(Mark Elliott) writes:

>Does anyone know how to contact the vendor of a software/hardware
>product, "Object LOGO" for the Macintosh, which is a good LOGO but
>also supports Lego LOGO?
   
Object Logo is sold and supported by Paradigm Software.  They can
be reached at (617) 576-7675. Their current version is Object Logo 2.6
released in Apr 1992.  The cost of this version is $195.  Upgrades
form 2.5 and 2.5.1 are available for $35.  Lab packs and site licenses
are also be available.

As with most Logo packages at this price level, it comes with a
reference manual, a tutorial, hooks into the MacIntosh system
[quickdraw, multiple open windows, import from bitmap files...].  In
addition, it has "object" oriented extensions to the language.
   
The operator at Paradigm said that LEGO/Logo programs would run with,
``Little or no modification.'' She amplified that some commands had
slightly different spelling.

They can be reached by mail at

Paradigm Software
PO Box 2995 
Cambridge, MA 02238

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: schoenfr@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Erik Schoenfelder)
Subject: Re: ALGOL 60 Report FTP site
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik, Bueltenweg, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:08:15 GMT

Hi!

dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox) writes:

David>  Erik, if you are reading this, could you help us determine why
David>  we (another person also failed) cannot connect to this site?
Davis>  Thanks.

Our internet access to sites outside of germany is currently down,
due to work of the german telecom ``Bundespost''. Sorry for this, we
are unhappy too.

Hopefully tomorrow this will be fixed. If it takes longer, I will
drop a note when the link is up again.

Erik
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.os.unix,comp.lang.lisp
From: murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy)
Subject: Re: MUMPS programming language 
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:04:27 GMT

saleh@cse.uta.edu (Medhat Saleh AbdelHady) writes:

>Hi,
> Anybody has an idea about a language called MUMPS ? 
> 
>I appreciate any information or refrences on that ..

MUMPS was/is a software system for medical information
which was used in hospitals for patient information
management.  I hvae no idea if it is still used, but 
I would bet that it is.

You can probably call up the MIS departments at your local
hospital - they should be able to tell you something about it.

--chet--

Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: reisner@prism.cs.orst.edu (Ron Reisner)
Subject: Re: Logo
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept
Distribution: orst
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:56:04 GMT

I'm looking for a PD version of Logo w/source code.  Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.os.unix,comp.lang.lisp
From: saleh@cse.uta.edu (Medhat Saleh AbdelHady)
Subject: MUMPS programming language 
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:55:51 GMT


Hi,
 Anybody has an idea about a language called MUMPS ? 
 
I appreciate any information or refrences on that ..

 Medhat

-- 


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Xref: sparky comp.lang.misc:2705 comp.lang.c:11635 comp.lang.lisp:2112
From: eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.os.unix,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: MUMPS programming language
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:23:44 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

saleh@cse.uta.edu (Medhat Saleh AbdelHady) writes:

> Anybody has an idea about a language called MUMPS ? 

I've never actually seen MUMPS, but nearly all the programmers where I
work use a language called MIIS (pronounced like "meese", as in "I hate
those meeces to pieces").  Apparently, MUMPS is very similar to MIIS.
So, based on that, I'll tell you what I know about MIIS.  It's nearly
always an interpreted language, which goes by lines (like BASIC).  It's
also very cryptic - every keyword is a one-letter abbreviation.  On
the MIIS system here (which runs a hospital mainframe), every program
has a code limit of 2k, and then 2k for heap/stack combined.  It
seems to be sort of slow, and not much fun to work with.  Fortunately,
I've just been hired here as the "new blood", with actual experience in
legitamate languages.  If you presently program in C, Pascal, or even
Fortran, MIIS (and likely MUMPS) ios a real downgrade.

- Eric
From: dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Results of my ALGOL query
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:43:38 GMT
Followup-To: comp.lang.misc
Organization: NSWC

Thanks for the 4 email responses to my ALGOL query. We do not
know which version our program is in. One person mentioned an
anonymous ftp site where the ALGOL 60 report and an
interpreter is available. I hope that, having obtained this info,
we will be able to accomplish our goal. 

Thanks again.

David Cox
From: dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Any ALGOL expertise out there?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:26:01 GMT
Followup-To: comp.lang.misc
Organization: NSWC

A colleague of mine has to translate a short ALGOL program into C. She has
some
questions about the flow of control structures (extent of for loops, etc.).
Is there
someone out there who knows ALGOL I could email questions to, or should I
just
go ahead and post the specific questions here? Thanks in advance for any
help
that anyone can provide me. 

David Cox
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:34:33 EDT
From: <GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Basic question

           Hi.  could somebody tell me how the PLAY statement in BASIC
works?  I mean, what the arguments mean?Here's an example of the statement
in question:




          Any help would be graet.  By the way, I'm familiar with most of the
language, including the SOUND statement, if it would help in the explanation.


                     Thanks,
                     Gordon Rogers
                     gnr100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.os.unix
From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)
Subject: Re: MUMPS programming language 
Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:49:17 GMT

saleh@cse.uta.edu (Medhat Saleh AbdelHady) writes:


>Hi,
> Anybody has an idea about a language called MUMPS ? 
> 
>I appreciate any information or refrences on that ..

Well, the language standard is ANSI X11.1, constantly being updated. It's
available on many platforms (DOS, *NIX, VMS, etc) as well as in standalone
versions on some hardware.  You can buy a version from IBM or a number of
other hardware vendors, as well as from independent software houses.  I've
seen it required for MIS bids for the Veteran's administration and military
hospital work, is used widely for many other kinds of things.

You could start by contacting the X11 Secretariat at 4321 Hartwick Road,
Suite 510, College Park, Maryland 20740, (301) 779-6555.  They can put you
in touch with the Mumps Users Group (sorry, I don't have that handy).
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From: dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: ALGOL 60 Report FTP site - ATT: Erik Schoenfelder
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:54:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.lang.misc
Organization: NSWC

Several people have asked me the details of the anonymous 
ftp site for the ALGOL 60 report and interpreter that I
mentioned in a previous post. The site name is:
ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (134.169.34.15) as /pub/local/a60-0.17.tar.Z
but I have not been able to connect to this site. This info was
sent to me by schoenfr@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Erik Schoenfelder).
Erik, if you are reading this, could you help us determine why
we (another person also failed) cannot connect to this site?
Thanks.
David Cox
From: schoenfr@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Erik Schoenfelder)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Re: ALGOL 60 Report FTP site
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:16:57 GMT
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik, Bueltenweg, Germany

Hi!

Now we are up again.  The interpreter/report can be found on

	ftp.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (134.169.34.15)
as
	/pub/local/a60-0.17.tar.Z

Erik
From: berstel@mipsmath.math.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Estelle / Veda
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:30:10 GMT
Reply-To: berstel@lacim.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel)
Organization: Universite du Quebec a Montreal

I'm using Veda to simulate specifications I write in Estelle... and
experimenting some problems.

Does anyone know newsgroups, mailing lists or else dealing with these
topics ?

Any help appreciated,
	Bruno.
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Universite du Quebec a Montreal                                    U.Q.A.M.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: johnr@ee.uts.edu.au (John Reekie)
Subject: What's Sather? (was Sather's Multiple Inheritance)
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:20:52 GMT

Would some-one be willing to post a little information
about Sather? Is it free/commercial? Where can I
get it? (or at least find out more). It
certainly sounds interesting.

Thanks in advance

John Reekie

Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: Bernard Orenstein <bernie@resntl.bhp.com.au>
Subject: ILOG
Organization: BHP Research (Newcastle Laboratories)
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:25:38 GMT

Has anybody used the ILOG set of tools?  Could you please
mail me with some comments if you have.

Thanks,
-Bernie
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: jch@rdg.dec.com (John Haxby)
Subject: Re: Any ALGOL expertise out there?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:48:03 GMT

60 or 68?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: ian@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ian Joyner)
Subject: Re: Any ALGOL expertise out there?
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:28:25 GMT

dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox) writes:

>A colleague of mine has to translate a short ALGOL program into C. She has
>some
>questions about the flow of control structures (extent of for loops, etc.).
>Is there
>someone out there who knows ALGOL I could email questions to, or should I
>just
>go ahead and post the specific questions here? Thanks in advance for any
>help
>that anyone can provide me. 

You could try the comp.sys.unisys group, as ALGOL is the assembly language
of the A Series mainframe. I'd be happy to answer any specific Algol 60
questions.
-- 
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"Where is the man with all the great directions?...You can't imagine it,
 how hard it is to grow, Can you imagine the order of the universe?" ABWH
Disclaimer:Opinions and comments are personal.
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay)
Subject: Re: Simple preprocessor
Organization: Thinkage, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:30:44 GMT

darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
>dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay) writes:
>>darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
>>>Macros can take arguments and defaults can be specified for the arguments.
>>>    @DEFINE foo bar $(1:zap)
>>>    $(foo:goo)    ==>     bar goo
>>Why a separate character '$'? I.e., why not @(foo)?
>
>I hadn't really given it a lot of thought.  I suppose I was copying make
>and shell in this regard.  However, pretending that I have given this some
>thought, the answer is so that a macro used at the start of a line doesn't
>get confused with a preprocessor directive.  Do you have a strong reason
>why not a separate character?

Not really, just one less character to have to escape, one less variant
international glyph to worry about. C may not use $, but other texts may.
I infer from your reason that the '(' after the '$' is optional (in some
contexts): i.e., $foo will expand the foo macro. I had thought otherwise.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.os.unix,comp.lang.lisp
From: jc@sci.kun.nl (Jan Christiaan van Winkel (ATC))
Subject: Re: MUMPS programming language 
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:15:58 GMT

In <1992Jul25.190427.9278@cs.cornell.edu> murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy) writes:

>saleh@cse.uta.edu (Medhat Saleh AbdelHady) writes:

>>Hi,
>> Anybody has an idea about a language called MUMPS ? 
>> 
>>I appreciate any information or refrences on that ..

>MUMPS was/is a software system for medical information
>which was used in hospitals for patient information
>management.  I hvae no idea if it is still used, but 
>I would bet that it is.

Mumps is indeed a hospital oriented language. I don't speak mumps, but I
know that it is a standardized (I believe ANSI!) language. As far as I
know, it is still being used. Versions for several OS-es are available,
even for MSDOS. possibly you can contact ANSI for more info (if it is
indeed an ANSI standard language).

Hope this helps...

JC
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
From: 11454725@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JOLAN EVANS)
Subject: Most Commonly Used Languages
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 07:28:09 GMT

Most Commonly used Languages

    I intend, time permitting, to familiarise myself with a number of
programming languages in an effort to gain some part time employment. Of
course I want to familiarize myself with those languages that are used the
most in industry. I have a reasonable number of hours up programming in the
procedural languages BASIC and Turing (Pascal like). I have had an
introduction to non-procedural programming in general.

	Although this may be in a FAQ, I couldn't find it and so here goes. 
I  would like to know to what extent different languages are used in 
different  areas of the softare industry and what they are most commonly 
used for. I  would also like to know  of good references for a description 
of these languages. I prefer texts that  have _detailed_ descriptions of the 
programming constructs rather than those  which introduce constructs by 
example. Nethertheless, I do recognize the need for examples to show how the 
constructs can be used.

    Because this discussion may become more subjective than objective, please
mail all beliefs/observations/insights directly to me. I will summarise the
results in a couple of weeks time.

    Thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.os.unix,comp.lang.lisp
From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)
Subject: Re: MUMPS programming language 
Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:39:23 GMT

jc@sci.kun.nl (Jan Christiaan van Winkel (ATC)) writes:
}In <1992Jul25.190427.9278@cs.cornell.edu> murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy) writes:
}>saleh@cse.uta.edu (Medhat Saleh AbdelHady) writes:
}>> Anybody has an idea about a language called MUMPS ? 

}>MUMPS was/is a software system for medical information
}>which was used in hospitals for patient information
}>management....

}Mumps is indeed a hospital oriented language. I don't speak mumps, but I
}know that it is a standardized (I believe ANSI!) language. As far as I
}know, it is still being used. Versions for several OS-es are available,
}even for MSDOS. possibly you can contact ANSI for more info (if it is
}indeed an ANSI standard language).

Actually, folks, the language has NOTHING in it relating to hospitals or
medicine. It just started out in that field, and in the USA has been so
extensively used in that area that some folks have pigeonholed it that way.

The reality is richer than that.  Outside the US, there is no such bias,
and it gets used for a wide variety of tasks.  Even in the US there is
considerable use in general database applications.  In fact, my very first
assignment as an independent contractor related to an application inside
General Motors, relating to manufacture of tires and batteries.  (GM had
just bought EDS and given much of their computer operations over to the
new division. These true-blue types were appalled, I guess, to find this
thing running on DEC VMS in a language they'd never heard of.  I think their
eventual aim was to replace it all with COBOL.)

It's more than a little different from mainstream languages: the only data
type is variable-length string (some of which may represent numbers) organized
in something I guess you'd think of as multi-dimensional arrays, some volatile
(in RAM) and some persistent (on disk).  It's the best marriage of language
and permanent storage I've seen short of the 4GL's.

-- 
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voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA  93035
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.rexx
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:40:15 CST
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         Adam Floro <CA1225@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>
Subject:      Number of working days between dates.

From:  Adam Floro

Does anyone have a REXX program for calculating the number of working days
between 2 dates that takes into account standard holidays and weekends as
non-working days?  Looking for a program that performs the calculation
dynamically without hard-coding the holidays or weekends.

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.rexx
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Subject: Re: Silencing DMT messages and/or others
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:45:02 GMT

In article <REXXLIST%92072211593588@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Mike Oswald <MOSWALD@UNMCVM.BITNET> writes:
 
>Is there a way to silence or shut off unwanted RSCS messages after
>issuing a print command?  We are operating under VM/XA and I would
>like to shut these types of messages off.  With other guest systems
>SET CMSTYPE HT seems to work fine.
>
>Thanks.
 
This is not a REXX question and should not really be here, but...
 
SET CMSTYPE only controls output from CMS programs, not from CP.  RSCS
messages are issued via CP MESSAGE, so CMSTYPE cannot trap them.  You
need to issue CP SET MESSAGE OFF to do what you want.  Note:  This will
stop *all* CP messages from reaching you, not just those from RSCS.
 
Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: comp.lang.rexx
From: css@boa.ccsf.caltech.edu (Chris Shenton)
Subject: REXX for UNIX? (ignorant question)
Organization: Hughes/STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:08:23 GMT

Is there a REXX for UNIX? I'm involved in helping people move form an
MVS to UNIX world and it would be a big help to them.

Thanks.
Xref: sparky comp.lang.rexx:658 comp.os.os2.programmer:3808
From: dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.rexx,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: OS/2 REXX/Presentation Manager Interface?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:48:24 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


After digging around through the online docs for REXX under OS/2, it
seems that there is some sort of interface to the Presentation Manager (PM).
However, I can't find it documented explicitly, and I haven't the faintest
idea of how to use the interface.

So, my questions are: does such a REXX-PM interface exist?  And, if so,
where can I get information on how to use it?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Daryl

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        "You're not messy.  You're organizationally impaired."
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