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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Freshers
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:15:35 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I don't think there's any need to expand on the peeve implied by the
subject line, so I'll pass on to peeve #2

peeve #2 - In this bastion of learning there are a number of eating places
called X's Snack Bar, where X is the name of some shrewish Scottish woman
who spends her morning making soggy sandwiches and her afternoons selling
same at extortionate prices. Al frequents the place where X=May, purveyor
of mouldy flapjacks. Having been banished from the hallowed halls of the
Janes Clerk Maxwell Building to a grungy hole full of neanderthals with
plaid shirts, big boots and beards (i.e. geologists) I find it more convenient
to dine where X=Joanne.

Which brings me round to my peeve - whenever I want to eat a sausage roll, there
is one and only one left, and it has been forced to a far corner of the hot
cabinet where they're kept. This hot cabinet is powered by an integral
nuclear reactor, and reaches temperatures approaching the melting temperature
of titanium. Diners are expected to extract the delicacies from within using
a pair of tongs which are woefully inadequate for the task. So either I risk
3rd degree burns, or I have to choose something else to eat.

Peeve #3 - haircut peeve - not my usual rant about stupid hairdressers, 
though that happened too, but the stupid people who think it's funny that
you got your hair cut. Now if I really strain my memory I can just about
remember when we used to laugh at people when they had their hair cut. It
was when I wore short pants and my mother made me wear Wellington boots if
it was raining outside. Since then, call me humourless, but I've rather
failed to see the funny side.

Peeve #4 - People who bang away at the keyboard as if they're pounding away
on a particularly rusty and poorly lubricated Remington typewriter. There's
one beside me right now. Shut the fuck up!!!

-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
                        Naetmagen
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Chunderation
Keywords: elephant, HE, m203
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:58:10 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

>you have such a weak grasp of reality that twittering around
>newsgroups can be construed as a fantasy role playing game.

The ones with the weak grasp of reality are those who think that
twittering around newsgroups is part of real life rather than
just some fantasy role playing game.

>I have little doubt that intellectual integrity and emotionally
>stability will return eventually.

Are we talking about the same alt.peeves here?  "Weak grasp of
reality" indeed!
-- 
	Truth is an evaluation of a statement within a context.
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Harpoon 'em if they can't take a joke
Keywords: bleeding-heart bunny huggers, water cannons
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:21:03 GMT
Organization: Lawn Wars, Inc.

In article <ldrbfmINNo3@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>Now what the bloody hell does the meat industry have to do with patriarchal
>society?

Meat is meat. C'mon, Geoff, can't you *see* the evil?

Peeve: People who lump unrelated causes together. My political activities
often bring me in contact with scary radical gay/lesbian/feminist folks
who are usually okay until they start dragging other causes in.

ObQuote from working to develop a feminist newspaper: "I think this paper
should be a forum for feminist issues, but I think it should also serve
to educate the public about the plight of laboratory and test animals."

FeministPeeve: This is the same paper that decided that the goal of
feminism was equality, and that they were going to get this way by only
allowing women to be on the staff, accepting advertising from women,
and only printing articles by women. I got booted from the board.

!Peeve: After I was ejected from the meeting, my SO (also on the
board) told the rest of the folks that they were setting feminism back
twenty years, she had no desire to work for a sexist organization, and
walked out, never to return.
-- 
We've replaced the fine baby Jesus we normally use with Folgers crystals.
Let's see if they notice the difference.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Pained Whale?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.004943.29270@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU writes:

>
>1) do not eat for 24 hours
>2) drink 15 VB interspersed with "Prairie Fires" (tequila + tabasco)
>3) eat hot "Thai" 
>4) pass out without chundering
>5) wake up at 5am
>6) you will now crave Maalox, and possibly Pepto-Bismol (sp?)
>

Yes, well, thank you. While I'm sure your recipe for enlightenment
has some merit, I believe I shall forego the pleasures of experiencing
it on this occasion. 



-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.politics.correct,talk.religion.misc
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Esoteric Skinhead O'Connor (Was stuff about Mac D's)
Summary: if Sinead didn't shave, she'd have dreads!
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<Bvuzvr.LDD@fulcrum.bt.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:43:15 GMT

In article <Bvuzvr.LDD@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> 
igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In article <26616@castle.ed.ac.uk> 
jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>> It was a Bob Marley song, if you must know.
>A setting of a speech by Haile Selassie.

Lion-Iron-Zion. Flash-it, gentle people! Jah! Ras TafarI!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl)
Subject: Re: Colourful Money
Keywords: Losers
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:57:56 GMT

In article <ldp6daINNr8l@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>
>In article <1992Oct13.205731.1185@CS.ORST.EDU> tim@physics.orst.edu 
>really sticks his finger in it by writing:
>
>>As most of you know, much of Holland is land reclaimed from the sea
>>and protected from said watery nemesis by large dykes. 
>
>
>On bikes?
>
>"Dikes," Tim, "dikes!"
>

Darnit!  I've never been to Holland, and I was so looking forward to
seeing all the girls with their crewcuts & little round Sinead glasses,
using big ol' pails to dump all that water back in the sea where it belongs....


-- 
***************************************************************************
jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu is Jenny Gutbezahl @ Univ. of Mass, Amherst
****************************************************************************
These opinions are all mine.  Flame all you want, I'll make more
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Pained Whale?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:46:41 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God

In article <1992Oct7.035913.5536@umbc3.umbc.edu> potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:
>Inarticle <5lfp3q-@lynx.unm.edu> baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:
>>	My personal favorite is Kraft(tm) Cheese and Macaroni. This
>>stuff is so simple that I have only known one person to ever screw
>>it up. I will point out where he went wrong in the recipe.
>>
>>Kraft(tm) Mac and Cheese
>>--------------------
>
>may i recommend that you spend the extra cents and get the delux kraft
>mac and cheese *spirals*. it's the same recipe and the same flavor but ooo
>those spirals just... just... oooOOOOOooooo...

	No, you may not. I accidently bought a box of these once. In the
bimonthly shopping trip, one box of this abomination got mixed in with
the normal Mac&Cheese. Not only does it cost a bit more, but you get less
Mac&Cheese for that money. If I wanted less food for more money, I'd eat
something normal.

ObPeeve: Milk doesn't last more than 2 or 3 weeks after you buy it.
-- 
"Hey, Guido! It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and
you're the lemon merchant. Getit? And he knows it! That's why he's gonna kill
us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah, before he lets loose the marmosets on us! - Ren
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Recipes for the New Depression
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:55:04 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow
Keywords: deer season is almost here!

russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler) writes: 
| 
| Yep - it's spatzle, and I was screwed up.  Spatlese is a late season
| wine, but I think it's with grapes plucked before the first frost.  A
| Rheingau wine made with grapes plucked after the frost is called
| something like an "ice" wine, if I remember rightly.
| 
| Peeve: screwing up my German in a public forum.  Now you know why I
| don't embarrass myself in person by attempting to speak it while I'm
| in Germany.

*Very* good.  An early season is a Kabinett.  Late season is a Spatlese.
After frost is an Auslese.  There's also Beerenauslese and 
Trockenbeerenauslese.

I think that if the grapes actually *freeze* on the vine (a rare occurence),
then you get that nectar known as Eiswein which is hideously expensive.

+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dave Cochran, Data General Corporation, RTP, NC   |
|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dr. Pavlov's distinguished career came to an      |
|abrupt end one day when the doorbell rang and the |
|dog ate the Avon lady.                            |
+--------------------------------------------------+
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Hare Triggers
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:12:55 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>    May the candles on your cake
>    burn like cities in your wake
>
>    death destruction and despair
>    people dying everywhere
>
>    hear the women wail and weep
"Children wail and women weep"
>    kill them all but spare the sheep
>
>    Now you've reached the age you are
>    your demise cannot be far
>    happy birthday...

(Volga Boatmen to be sung in the key of Control-G)

May your candles burn so bright
Screens of green or amber light.
    Happy Birthday (Grunt)!
    Happy Birthday (Grunt)!

Death, destruction, and despair;
Systems crashing everywhere.
    Happy Birthday (Grunt)!
    Happy Birthday (Grunt)!

Now that you're the age you are
Obsolesence can't be far.
    Happy Birthday (Grunt)!
    Happy Birthday (Grunt)!

All our demos are show biz
Hide how deep the yogurt is.
    Happy Birthday (Rah)!
    Happy Birthday (Rah)!

TTYs stop and programs sleep,
Kill them all but keep the beep!
    Happy Birthday (Feep)!
    Happy Birthday (Feep)!

When you're in a hungry mood,
You can always eat junk food.
    Happy Birthday (Yecch)!
    Happy Birthday (Yecch)!

OBPeeve:  Geeks who post computer jokes on alt.peeves.
-- 
          Magic is the art of assuming a role strongly enough
          that the Universe falls into the complementary role.
From: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca (Don Christie)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Nominations are in order (was Story: choose the proper weapon for the job)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca
Organization: Nova Scotia Agricultural College, Nova Scotia, CANADA

In article <Bvv3uC.4n9@nic.umass.edu>, jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.211359.22180@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:
>
>>
>>I proudly nominate Scott Park for Peevetown Dispatch editor-in-chief!
>>The cat has a nose fer nooz.
>>
>
>Yes, indeedy, indeedy, and I surely hope he'll post often.  Andy and Matt
>are just sooooooooo cute when they're mad.
>
>Jenny G proprietoress of Peevetown's favorite greasy spoon, where you can  
>        pick up your copy of the Peevetown Dispatch, or have some of Chef
>        Charles' Bunny Surprise.  Drop in, y'all here.
>

Maybe your chef should change his billing to Chef Chuck, or Chef upChuck....

>
>-- 
>***************************************************************************
>jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu is Jenny Gutbezahl @ Univ. of Mass, Amherst
>****************************************************************************
>These opinions are all mine.  Flame all you want, I'll make more
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Why Finland is NOT scandanavian
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:48:56 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
] 
] For linguistic and historical reasons, and because Scandinavians in
] general see no need to do everything the way the rest of the world
] sees as "logical".  It can't be the seperated-by-water business i
] don't think; after all, Finland at least has a land border with Sweden
] and Norway; Denmark doesn't the way the borders are today.  


Finland is Not Scandinavian so that the Norwegians
have someone to tell 'freassian' jokes about.

IT Really is Very Simple when You stop and
think about it folks.

ciao
drieux


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Don't Just Rock the Vote
Kick OUT THE JAMS!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: tim@physics.orst.edu (Tim Mefford)
Subject: Re: Assorted peeves (collect 'em, trade 'em with your friends)
Keywords: Waking up, officemates, detours, bike locks, poodle phlegm
Reply-To: tim@physics.orst.edu
Organization: Up the,
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 21:23:46 GMT

In article <ld6bc0INNb07@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
|> 
|> it would've meant extra weight.  I let this pass without comment.  A couple
|> of weeks later, we were discussing the SR-71 for some reason.  I asked
|> him if he knew the real reason it was so fast.  "No, why?" he asked.
|> "Because it doesn't have a kickstand!" I replied with a straight face.

I like that.


|> 
|> All through high school and college, there was always a certain subset of
|> the bicycle crowd who refused to lock their bikes in the bike racks as
|> normal Earth people do, but insisted on obsessively carting the things 
|> around with them all day ("clickclickcliclickclickclick") from room to room.
|> Like a good many phenomena (note the proper use of the plural form), this 
|> behavior has never been explained to my satisfaction.  
|> 

I've always been amazed at those who, despite living in a college town
where bicycle theft is the third largest industry, (after bicycle sales,
second, and urine lite, first) who feel compelled to get a $1200 mountain
traversal system, and then sacrifice their quality of life to theft paranoia.

Is it that an old balloon tired flier with a basket on the rear won't get 
you across town, or that you need to compensate for genitalia inadequacy?
When you get down to it, that's the schlong and the short of it.

A friend was discussing bicycles recently.  He said he'd been traumatized
by a freshman bike theft and had never got around to replacing it.  A couple
of months ago, he went to visit his parents and was going through some old
papers.  He came across a letter from the campus police dated 9 years ago,
unopened that had been sent to his parents' place.  It said that they'd
recovered his bike a week after it had been stolen and that he had 2 weeks to 
claim it.  After years of checking out every bike rack for his 'unfinished 
business' his parents had thought 'Oh, a letter from the police, how important
could that be?' and tossed it in a pile.  Thanks Mom and Dad!


-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tim's to do list ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1. Get old, die.
2. I must not think bad thoughts.
3. Get mine before this fetid rotting contaminated carcass we 
   call Earth collapses about our collective head.
4. Read a good book.
5. Eliminate homicidal clones of self.
6. Consult hyperintelligent aliens about personal life.
7. Make itemized account of all precious bodily fluids.
8. Play basketball.
9. Start making up excuses for Judgement Day.
10.Collect ozone in tiny little bottles, sell as souvenirs in 20
   years, get rich.
11.Sublet my office space to toxic waste disposal firm, put the
   money in life-insurance.
12.Redeem cereal box top for Hubbel space binoculars.

---------Tim Mefford      tim@physics.orst.edu-----------------
From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Alex doesn't live here any more (was: Freshers)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:58:20 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow
Keywords: Lala la, lala lala, lala la, lala lalaaa

bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes: 
| 
| I have been concerned about her absence here.  And as I read the different
| recipes posted here I started to wonder where Alex "The Lemming" Elliot
| has scurried off to.

I've wondered about that myself.  I have seen hide nor hair of Alex since
the Peevefest.  He was in good health when he left, honest.

+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dave Cochran, Data General Corporation, RTP, NC   |
|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dr. Pavlov's distinguished career came to an      |
|abrupt end one day when the doorbell rang and the |
|dog ate the Avon lady.                            |
+--------------------------------------------------+
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,misc.misc
Subject: Re: Illiterates (was Re: Japanese Tourists ate my building.)
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:40:08 GMT
	<1992Oct10.033307.15325@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 10 Oct 92 03:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.033307.15325@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
>In <george.718654510@windslc> george@windslc.seri.gov (Harry K. Rishna) writes:

>>So add 'idiots who think "penultimate" is the same as "ultimate" (and 
>>especially those stupid enough to use the word in their company name)' to
>>the kill list.

>The penultimate retort, I'd say.

And what about those idiots who say secker-tary? Or Feb-yoo-ary?
Up against the wall with them, I say. And them knock it down from the
other side!

--
This signature is copyright 12/6/1992 Simon Oke. All rights reserved. If you
like it and keep a copy for your own use, you owe me $20. Please pass it on
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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: nolan@twg.com (Cupid's Right Hand)
Subject: Re: Chunderation
Keywords: driving, porcelain, bus
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Yentas Unanimous
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:44:52 GMT


In article <1992Oct15.185402.10395@email.tuwien.ac.at>, 
alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky) eloquently decries the 
Jenny-Banta subtext of the past few weeks, to which I say:

Hey! They make such a cuuuuute couple. They sling it back and forth just like
the spouse and I do, but with much more literary skill and wit. It's almost as
good as Northern Exposure, even. The soaps were never this interesting.

--
Nolan "Tune in again next week" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	
"Grab Dick and come on down"  Don Pette
"You can't combat illiteracy with soap" Jenny Gutbezahl, alt.peeves
"Boy, was I in for a dose of reality." Randall K. Abler
"... necrophilia doesn't really hurt anybody."  Rick Gordon
"Well, first of all, your stance is too wide"

Xref: sparky alt.peeves:15698 alt.folklore.urban:25776
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: McDonald's and the IRA (Re: Big mac's and students)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 16:28:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
  +
  +Ah, another ignoramus with no knowledge of the situation. Let me explain...
  +
  +Hong Kong was *leased* from the Chinese government (then the emperor...)
  +for 99 years. That lease runs out in 1997, the PRC are not interested in
  +extending it, so HK reverts to its original owners.

Actually, if I recall this correctly, Hong Kong island itself was ceded
to Britain in perpetuity after the Opium Wars and whatnot in the 1800s.  
As an adjunct to that, the British forced a 99-year lease on the New
Territories (which supplies a great deal of food, water, etc. to the
colony).  The 1997 lease technically only applied to the New Territories,
but the Chinese wanted it all back, and Britain basically said okay, more
or less, after all, unlike the Falklands, it would be difficult to defend
Hong Kong island against the Chinese.
 
Terry "But, maybe not" Chan 
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: I say, how about an Exchange
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:32:29 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper


I say, He said, like Mickeey Rooney, in one of those,
"hey let put on a Play in the Barn" movies.

irregardless WHO and/or What wins the Presidential
Election, why Not trade It/Whom/What_ever and the
snappy Side Kick to the UK for their PM and a
first Round Draft Pick of some Back Bencher; to
be announced Later.

This way, The British TeleComediaDroids will be able
to send us Fresh Biting Witty Erudite and Urbane
Humour for our PBS shows about the Silly Sod we
get to Play with in our White House, and we can
much more Enjoy the Frolicing Fun of Those Wacky
EnglishPersons as they Enjoy Having a Real Live Yank
as PM....

Would Spice up the reruns of 'Are you Being Serviced'
Married to "All in The Family Does BuckingHam" and we
could call it:

"Mr Am/Pm Goes to Washington."

ciao
drieux

ps: Well It could Happen......



-- 
Modern Day Problems:
In any case, don't give up, just type slower :-).
Chimo
Bob.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Skinhead O'Conner's Staement-The real message.
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:49:12 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Oct7.084548.7992@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.163829.1737@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>> 
>> In article <1992Oct5.134746.8281@umbc3.umbc.edu>, potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:
>> 
>>>> peeve: skinhead o'connor. where i agree with some of her ideas, her methods
>>>> 	are a bit extreme.
>> 
> 
> 
> I think it isn't religion that's laughable, but the way people turn and twist
> it to fit teir own agendas. If you mix in a bit of common sence, the basic 
> tenets of most relaigions are really pretty sound. An example is Christianity.
> 
> Love thy Neighbor.
> 
> 
> Try not to kill anyone.
> 
> 
> Stuff like that.
> 
> It's the fanatics and the crazies of the world who say things like "If you
> sleep with a mamber of the same sex, you're goin g to go to hell!" or
> the ones that say "birth control is and Evil Thing" that cause people to say
> "fuck you!" and ignore what really is sound advice.
> 
> Peeve: Jesus Freaks and other fanatics.
> 
> 
> By the way, I hope you're ok after the hurricane, Scott.
> 
> Later
> Mike

I guess I better add (before I get flamed to BITS) that I don't believe in any 
particular God. I just think that many of the world's religions have some good
ideas.

M.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves