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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: help on past National champs
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:53:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct16.055308.5221
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bw6nBC.HMH@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>A Miami alum that doesn't even remember the depressing 42-40 loss to 
>Maryland in 1984?  Let me refresh your memory:  Miami was up 30-0 at the
>half.  
As a Maryland alum, I can't let this pass. It was 31-0 at half-time.
The lead made this game the BIGGEST comeback in college football history.

All thanks to Ferrell Edmunds for dropping a sure TD in the endzone in
the first half, or Miami would have led 31-7, thus denying Maryland the record.

The record was later tied by a west coast team (San Jose St ???).

>I was debating whether to go home and get ready to go out for the
>evening when Boomer Esiason led his team to the most shocking upset I've
>ever seen in my life.  
Boomer wasn't playing. He was at Cincy. 

Maryland's QB in the first half was that stiff Stan Gelbaugh, who played
for the Phoenix Cardinals last year. The 2nd half QB was Frank Reich,
who should have replaced that choker Jim Kelly in Buffalo.

> I kind of wish I had left the game after all.
That was Miami's darkest moment in the past 10 years. In a three game
span, they lost to Maryland 42-40, BC 47-45, and UCLA 39-37. The defense
gave up 128 points. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: steinse@eng.auburn.edu (Scott E. Steinbrink)
Subject: Re: njan
Reply-To: steinse@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:17:29 GMT

"Njan" writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.011819.21498@news.duc.auburn.edu> steinse@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>As an alum of U. Colorado, Boulder, I say, without hesitation,
>>
>>	"K.S. Manu is a dork."
>
>Like I care!!! Get a life, asshole...
>
>Seems like you had a troubled childhood... Maybe you should visit your 
>psychiatrist more often...
>
>>Scott Steinbrink
>
>Njan


Hmmmm.... Seems Njan's knowledge of psychology is even more miniscule than either
his knowledge of football, or his personality.

Scott Steinbrink
WAR BUFFALO!!!!
From: fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 10 Oct 92 10:16:20 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL


[Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:02:52 GMT] swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu wrote:
>In article <1992Oct8.125810.28269@walter.cray.com>, kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin) writes:
>> In article <92282.124255JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>Though the Bama-Tennessee game is a pretty big rivalry, it just
>>>doesn't compare to Alabama-Auburn.  Tennessee's biggest rivalry is

>Ken... KEN!! You are forgetting the great, mystical anti-woofing theorem
>(Goobster, did I say that right?).  All together now, lets chant:

I don't see how Bama can miss winning a National Championship this
year...when they beat Tennessee, they'll have smooth sailing all the way to
the Sugar Bowl.

>I can't speak for other Auburn fans, but I put the Georgia game at about
>1/200th the importance of the bama game.  How about the rest of you 5 or 6
>Auburn fans who regularly post??  You too Floyd!!!!!

Dave, Dave, Dave....What's the use of trying to explain it.  Those of us
who live it 365 days a year (a believe me I felt that extra day this year)
cannot possibly explain it to those who think that their game is the same
or bigger.  They can never understand the blood feud nature of the game
Alabama style, the year-long high from winning, the loss of self-esteem
from losing, and facination-dread that hits you in the pit of the stomach
as the game approaches (not the week before...it starts building about July
or August) in which winning is a better-than-drugs rush, but losing is the
most sickening, empty feeling provided by any "sporting" event.  Don't try
to explain it.  Its a curse that all of us that were born in this state
have to live with our entire lives.  Relish the good moments (17-16, Bo
over the top, and the biggest game ever--and Bama fans know it--1989), try
to put the bad (the 9-year nightmare, Van Tiffin's kick, et al) out of
your head, and don't worry whether anyone else can possibly understand why
this doesn't really fit into the category of "big rivalry" anymore than the
holocaust can be described as a "nasty mess".

And remember...it's only a game. :-)

Floyd


-- 
Floyd Vest <fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu> <fvest@auducvax.bitnet>
Manager, Administrative Systems--Auburn University, Alabama USA
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:57:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu> milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
>an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
>in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
>Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
>the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
>burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way? Is
>the 'third Saturday in October' always the most important game of the year 
>for you? As a Michigan fan and alum, I 'grew up' believing that no rivalry
>could be as intense as the Michigan-OhioState game. After reading this
>newsgroup, I hear about Notre Dame-USC and THE GAME between Cal and Stanford.
>
>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>they as intense to both teams?

I don't believe there is a single rivalry that the majority of college
football fans would agree is the biggest rivalry.  Certainly, as a
Notre Dame fan, I'm partial to Notre Dame-USC, but, having had a long
time at UCLA, I realize that UCLA fans view the UCLA-USC game as a bigger
rivalry.  (I have no idea which of these games USC fans feel is bigger or
more important.)  Army-Navy is a pretty good rivalry - if it wasn't, why
on earth would they nationally broadcast such a rotten game every single
year?  I'm sure that Harvard-Yale is viewed as an important rivalry by
their partisans, and they have a lot of (pretty old) history to back it
up.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:44:50 GMT

In article <PKESTER.92Oct8183100@hooville.mitre.org> pkester@hooville.mitre.org (Peter Kester) writes:
>>
>The Virginia Pep Band (aka TAWFCI/OP?MPB&CSU!!! -- figure out that acronym!)

The Award Winning Fighting Cavalier Indoor/Outdoor Precision (?) Marching
Pep Band and Chowder Society Unlimited!!!

All too easy.


-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 4-Oct
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 08:00:52 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <BvsJ67.Jz6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin(call me Axl) ) writes:
>Why shouldn't head to head meetings have more effect than the other games? 
>I would think that from the head to head meetings you get a more accurate
>comparison of the strength of teams.
>
Take the Purdue-Cal game.  Since then, Cal has played well where as
Purdue hasn't played well.   Just one example of head-to-head games
not meaning that much over a complete season.  
--
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From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:13:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: walt.9210081713.AA11642


This week's games:

Clemson at Virginia:  Things aren't happy in South Carolina.   Clemson
continues to lose ACC games.   How many games will Clemson lose this year?

UVa 24  Clemson 13


North Carolina at FSU:  How close can UNC keep it?  Closer than the 73-14
spread the last time UNC Coach Mack Brown lost in Tallahassee.

FSU 31  UNC 10


Texas Tech at NC State:  I guess we'll find out if State's 2nd string qb
is as good as #1.  Texas Tech played a heartbreaker vs overrated A&M last
week and will probably be town.  Should be a close one.

State 27   Texas Tech  24


Wake Forest at Vanderbilt:  Ugh.  Vandy is at home.  I'll take Vandy.

Vandy 38   Wake 27


ECU at Duke:  Before the season, I said ECU would win by 3 touchdowns.
I'll say 2 now.

ECU 45  Duke 33


Georgia Tech at Maryland:  Sorry, Maryland, but the winning streak ends.

Tech 24  Maryland 14




Last: 5-1
Year: 14-4



Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be De
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.030520.39242@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.131736.3828@arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>>toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>>>
>>
>>Come New Year's Day and Washington will probably play #3 Michigan and who will
>>Miami play this time? Nebraska again or Colorado????
>
>
>Well, that is if Michigan keeps winning.  As for Miami, who knows??  Hopefully
>they will play the best available team.  What if Miami plays #4???  Besides,
>the Michigan team will probably be the only top 10 team Washington will have
>to play, whereas Miami has already played two, and will probably at least 1
>more in the bowl game.  

Uh, Stanford's 8th right now and has games at Arizona and Oregon St.
before heading off to Washington. Assuming Stanford beats Arizona this
weekend (not a given...), and with 1 or 2 upsets in the next two weeks
(Bama @ Tennessee, FSU @ GaTech, Col vs Sooners), it's not
improbable that the Cardinal could be 6 or 7th going into the game.


========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
========================================================
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: CU's Kordell Stewart Out for Four Weeks
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college 
Summary: Broke wrist in thursday game
Keywords: Koy Detmer Kordell Stewart
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:07:27 GMT

From a news release provided today at 5pm MDT from the CU athletic office.


Kordell Stewart fractured his left wrist in thursday nights game against MU

He will be side lined for four weeks and will miss the Oklahoma, Kansas St 
Nebraska and Oklahoma State games. This is a most unfortunate spot to lose
one of the nations top passers. True freshman Koy Detmer will start agains 
OU on Oct 17ths nationally televised game. Koy Detmer has thrown 5 TDs in 
two halfs of football.

-ethan


--
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From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Keywords: next year...
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Oct6.221819.8060@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>Tallahassee for...shit...a decade or so (off and on...moved a few times, but

Gee, as long as that. You must really be a TRUE FAN.

>always managed to get back to this hell hole somehow)...and all I have ever

Move. One less asshole on the road.

>problem with ragging on him...in fact, I rather enjoy it. It's not like there
>is anything else to do here in Tallahassee...not like celebrating a national

Get a grip, boy.

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)
Subject: Lucky Saccas' 
Reply-To: rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:47:43 GMT

Aren't the Penn State QB brothers John and Tony Sacca lucky
in getting the starting job.

In '88 Tom Bill gets injured and is out for the year.  The
second string qb breaks his little finger and Tony gets the
starting job.

In '89 Tom Bill gets into alcohol related problems and loses
his position to Tony.

In '92 Kerry Collins breaks a finger and John gets the job.
With the season at the half way point and John playing respectably,
Kerry  will have to fight for the job.
 
If I were a qb I won't enroll in the same scholl as a Sacca!!

Rajiv
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Miss St 14, Auburn 7
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:33:51 GMT

Mississipi St.  14
Auburn           7

Sigh.

It could have been worse.  MS missed 3 field goals, AU missed 1.  MS's only
touchdown came on a 63 punt return by Tony James in the 4th quarter.  AU was
ahead 7-6 at the time.  AU lost 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions.  One of the
fumbles was by AU back Reid McMilion on the MS 7 yard line (in the first
half).  McMilion dove over the line on a 4th and 1 play.  The problem is, he
left the ball behind on the 10 yard line.  Stan White was 17 for 38 passing
(don't forget those 3 ints) for 182 yards and 1 td.  The touchdown play was
a 63 yd pass to Orlando Parker early in the 2nd half.

I watched most of the first half on TV and listened to the second half on
the radio.  Auburn's offense looked/sounded erratic to me (sound familiar ?).  
They would look good for a few plays and then stink for a few plays.  Not
much continuity.  The MS offense wasn't that much better, but they were
better.  MS 3rd string qb Todd Jordan did pretty good, 13 for 27, 144 yards
(NO INTERCEPTIONS).  The Auburn defense only gave up 2 fgs and a 2 pt
conversion, so it is hard to blame the loss on them.  Auburn's offense had
several chances but just couldn't seem to pull it together.

Oh, Auburn COULD have won if:

- McMilion hadn't fumbled the ball on the 4th and 1 play
- Special teams hadn't allowed the 63 yard td punt return (the first against 
  Auburn in 20 years)
- We hadn't been penalized as much (7 for 85 yds versus 6 for 45 for MS).  
- The MS defensive line had caught the flu.
- Someone had castrated Jackie Sherrill  :-)

While I'm at it, in the 2nd half, Auburn was called for defensive pass
intereference.  The AU announcers (never known for their objectivity) swore
it should have been offensive pass interference instead.  The play gave MS a
big gain.  I didn't see the play, so I don't know.  How about it, those of
you who saw the play, what do you think??  (be honest now...)

Oh well, next week, Auburn versus Florida in Gainesville.  I'll be there!!

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:26:46 EDT
From: <AMM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: LSU QBs?
 <1992Oct6.191418.22479@cs.tulane.edu> <92281.013710AMM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Oct7.134742.7623@infonode.ingr.com>

  Yes I am !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and I feel that as long as Joe Dean is the
A.D. at L.S.U. they will never have a solid program.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:36:42 EDT
From: <JER108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
 <1992Oct06.160551.1839@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
 <1992Oct7.035431.28510@news2.cis.umn.edu>

>
>It's only 'official' for the BCI, and it is still a *Mythical* NC. I'm sure
>USA/CNN will still be giving out their trophy and folks would still talk
>about a split national championship if the two major polls disagreed at the
>end.
>
>-bob
>a Michigan fan

 I thought that the discrepency in the two polls was the reason that G. Tech
got a share of the MNC two years ago. If I remember, they got the UPI vote.
                                     John E. Runski
                                     <jer108@psuvm>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: SEC tie-breakers
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:36:06 GMT

I'm a little unclear on the SEC tie-breaking mechanism.  Specifically,
consider the following scenario in the West:

Bama loses to Tennessee this weekend, and to Auburn in the Iron Bowl,
and wins the rest of their games (including Mississippi State).
Auburn wins out the rest of the way (okay, so it's wishful thinking!).
Mississippi State wins out the rest of the way, except for the loss to
Bama.

So, Auburn, Bama, and MSU all have 2 conference losses, and it can't
be decided by head-to-head, since each of the 3 teams are 1-1 against
the other 2.  Am I correct in assuming Bama goes to the championship
game, since only one of its losses are in the division?

Larry Owen
From: wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PENN STATE BEATS MIAMI!!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:33:36 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.college: 13-Oct-92 PENN STATE
BEATS MIAMI!!!!! by RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu 
> one, interceptions.  Given the facts that Miami was dominated by Penn State
> in every category and the 'Canes still won (Gino 11-31  80 yards) then
one has
>  
> to make the following assumption :
>                            No. 1  MIAMI

    I think this could be the first time I have seen the claim that a team 
should be considered #1 due to the fact that they were dominated in every
category by another team but still squeezed out a win.  Usually people 
claim the opposite (i.e. we were robbed, we beat their ass throughout the
whole game except for -insert bad play here-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu (michael denison)
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:32:09 GMT

 sujan@stein.u.washington.edu (Sujan Punyamurthula) writes:
>How about this scenario

>Alabama loses to Tennesse
>Miami loses to Syracuse( They have good field goal kickers!)
>Washington beats Michigan in Rose Bowl

>then I wonder who will be the National Champ?????

Is this before or after Texas A&M finishes undefeated, beating the
Rhode Island Tech School for the Disabled 218-4 in the Cotton Bowl?

BTW, I'd like to second that notion that Rice should change their
fight song from Louie Louie to the Itchy and Scratchy Theme.
-- 
 "You know what they say about men with *large* vocabularies...."
michael d. denison                          m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: todd@hector.uucp (24102-todd)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami vs Penn State..when??
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:59:53 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <1992Oct9.132009.1@evax3.eng.fsu.edu> trinidad@evax3.eng.fsu.edu writes:
>I hear that Miami will be playing Penn State this saturday.  can somebody tell
>me what time and what channel. We dont hear Miami things here in
>Tallahassee,,,,I wonder why??  hee hee
>
>I'd love to see the infamous #1 Miami take a nose dive before I graduate from
>FSU this december. They seem to have the "luckiest" edge during games.  But I
>believe they're beatable this season......but by who? (that's the question.)
>
>thanks
>
>Georgina
>trinidad@evax.eng.fsu.edu

It's at 12:00 noon EST on ABC-TV.  Go Penn State!
Carolyn Todd
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be De
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:05:20 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.131736.3828@arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>>
>
>Come New Year's Day and Washington will probably play #3 Michigan and who will
>Miami play this time? Nebraska again or Colorado????


Well, that is if Michigan keeps winning.  As for Miami, who knows??  Hopefully
they will play the best available team.  What if Miami plays #4???  Besides,
the Michigan team will probably be the only top 10 team Washington will have
to play, whereas Miami has already played two, and will probably at least 1
more in the bowl game.  

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From: chyang@langshan.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Washington skips Rose?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:40:48 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: rec
Originator: chyang@langshan.engin.umich.edu



> 
> "That cruddy bowl game" is so steeped in glorious tradition it's become more
> american than apple pie. It also pays the most (though this may change very
> soon) Don James(UW) has said in the past he would never turn down the Rose
> Bowl bid (plus, if I'm not mistaken, they are contractually obligated to go
> if they win the Pac-10, but I could be wrong about that). However, he has
> recently dropped hints that he might consider a bid to play for a
> championship if there were similar circumstances to last year. I can't
> imagine that either James or Erickson want to go through all that again. In
> any case, I will be surprised if both remain undefeated. Neither Washington
> or Miami looks anywhere near as good as they did last year, and UW still has
> to play Stanford, who look AWESOME. I'm not sure if Miami has any real
> challenges left, but then again, Arizona should have been a joke, and look
> at that squeak-by victory. Who knows? Maybe Stanford and Alabama will be
> arguing over who's #1 at the end of the season. 
> 
> -Brian Harper

	I guess, if any bowl can fork out the dough that ROSE BOWL does, then
skipping the ROSE BOWL can be considered.  But if I was athletic director 
of UW.  I`d say.  6.5 MIL cold cash.  I'll take it over the NC.

	Rose Bowl is so deep in tradition that I don't think any team who
has the opportunty to play in it, should give it up.  There is really no 
experience quite like the Rose Bowl.  I have been there a couple of times
now.  

- Chung Yang