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From: simon@mmpe.mineral.ualberta.ca (Simon Tortike)
Subject: Re: Sony CPD-1302 (and CPD-1604S 17") multisync monitor ?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:08:44 GMT

jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End) writes:

>Rumor has it that the SONY CPD-1302 sells for less than the new Apple 14"
>and has an improved dot-pitch. What are people paying for them (where ?) ?
>How do they look ? Are they as bright as the new Apple (50% over 13") ?

On the same theme, has anyone connected the Sony CPD-1604S (17") monitor to
the MacII family? This has a 15.8" active display area for a good price 
compared to the Apple 16" (presumable the same tube). I am contemplating
returning my NEC 4FG because of its grainy screen and replacing it with the
Sony.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: farrell@mot.com (Tod Farrell)
Subject: NEC CDR-74 that works????
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:47:22 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware


Has anyone got the NEC CDR-74 to work with any macs?

I have driver version 2.25.

The trick is I am using a IIfx, and the only way the machine will boot is
with no termination on the cd-drive.  When a disk is inserted, an icon
appears
when the icon is opened an error -127 pops up in an alert.

I have the drive set at SCSI address 1 which is otherwise vacant.  I have
succesfully used an apple cd drive on the same machine.

Now, I have been able to read a disc with the drive, but I had to reinstall
voice navigator II on the SCSI port too.  I would normally not mind having
VN II except it clashes with NFS/share. 

Why would the drive work when VN II is connected and not work when 
VN II is unhooked.  (both devices are unterminated, the only termination
is on the IIfx's hard disk).  VNII is address 6, NEC is at address 1
HELP!

Thanks,
Tod Farrell

If anyone wishes I can repost replies.
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From: suhler@pollux.usc.edu (Paul Suhler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Want Recommendations for 44 MB Syquest Drive
Date: 13 Nov 1992 11:05:12 -0800
Organization: USC Advanced Computer Architecture Laboratory
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Hi.  Now that 44 MB Syquest removable drives are down to $399, I think
that it's time to buy one.  I can't find any recent reviews (MacUser,
Jan. 92 covered 88 MB drives), so I'd like to hear of any particularly
good or particularly bad vendors.  I've noticed that the direct mail
prices seem a bit lower that those from the big mail order companies.

Please resond by e-mail.  I'll repost if desired.

Thanks,

Paul Suhler
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Re: SE/30 floppy drive dying
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:59:50 GMT

It seems that the FDHD in the SE/30 (and IIcx) is very prone to failure. I posted to 
comp.sys.mac.announce a while back and got over 300 reponses reporting problems. I have seen an entire roomful of IIcx floppy drives fail simultaneously. Our lab machine (SE/30) also went through a phase where it couldn't recognize the formatiing on floppies, and then the problem  disappeared.

There are numerous different problems that may be related to two things.

1) Dust is drawn into the SE/30 case through the floppy slot. This is the
most common cause of problems it seems. A  comercial cleaning kit will fix this
for a number of cases.

2) There seems to be some kind of alignment problem with the "sensors" that
touch the disk when you insert it. There are apparently two. One is involved
in recognizing 800K vs. 1400K, and this is leads to symptoms of confusion
between the two.

I never heard any official reaction to this problem, except for rumors that
Apple does indeed know about it. Overall I feel that for the amount of money
spent on computers, they represent one of the poorest cases of responisibility
in marketing. After spending $2500 on a new SE/30 both the SCUZI controller/HD
and the power switch went out within the first year. Ever time I use the floppy
drive I fear the worse. I bought during the first year of the long-overdue
one year warantee, and this barely saved my ass.

Good luck and try the cleaning,

Jim
Biology Department
Indiana University -Bloomington
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: On my way to 25MHz IIsi upgrade!
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:31:53 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Can someone please e-mail me Fry's phone number.

Thanx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jamess@spot.Colorado.EDU (JAMES STANLEY RONALD)
Subject: Newton
Summary: Is the newton still supposed to come out in January?
Keywords: newton pda
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:45:45 GMT

Is Apple still expecting to get its Newton out by this January? There doesn't seem do be much talk about it since the MacUser article. I don't think they'll be able to keep it in the
$500-$700 price range predicted.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor)
Subject: Re: PowerBook 160/180 To External Monitor (Q)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:28:27 GMT

Richard Kay (rkay@ausom.oz.au) wrote:
: Has anyone  successfully connected their PowerBook 160 or 180 to the
: new Apple 14 inch colour monitor?

Yes, we run a 160 with the new 14" monitor in the shop here..

: What is the result like?

Nice.. With the monitor on a stand and the powerbook in front (and hence below)
it's great, you restart with the menu bar on the external monitor and have a
portrait display with the top half on colour !!

Ken
-- 
 Ken Taylor              |  "I have a friend who's seen inside my tiny brain
 ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au  |   He's seen the aging and the mildew from the rain
 Curtin University       |   And he does what he can to keep on top of every
 Perth, W. Australia     |     one of them"     - Happy Rhodes
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple Laser Printer
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:14:07 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


clin@jade.tufts.edu (Chuck (Satch) Lin) writes:

> Is there a way to stop the printer from ever printing a test page?

Use LaserWriter Font Utility for this. Choose "Start Page Options",
from the Utilities menu, I believe.
 

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610


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From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Subject: Re: Why overpay for Mac?
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:52:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.175506.23065@ee.rochester.edu> rhode@ee.rochester.edu (Robert Rhode) writes:
>If you WANT to use stone-age software, then the Mac is not only overpriced,
>it's not even an option.  On the other hand, if you recognize that the
>operating system and application software is a very REAL part of the
>equation, and realize that the higher price of Mac software subsidizes the
>development and maintenance of the BEST user interface in the world, bar
>none, and allows you to run the slickest applications (I have used Win3.1;
>I know whereof I speak), then the Macintosh is not overpriced at all.
>It's a bargain.

Except in Germany, where the damned machines cost roughly 50% more than
in the US, new models arrive later, old models are dumped on us which
aren't available in the US any more... 

I love Macs, if only Apple Germany would treat us potential users with
some respect!
HSK
-- 
Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel,
womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel.
Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten,
Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten.    ... H. Heine
From: halff@unixg.ubc.ca (Lar Halff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Print area of Laserwriter LS
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:43:08 GMT
Organization: UBC
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X-XXDate: Sat, 7 Nov 92 20:43:40 GMT

Hi! Sorry to wast bandwidth with what is probably a very obvious
question, but...

I'm printing to legal sized paper on a Laserwriter LS and I want 
to print as cose to the as possible. My manual says this is .25".
However, even when I select Extend Print Area, the smallest margin
I can get along the length of the page is .75". Does any one know
is Apple's manual is just plain wrong, or what I can do to get
those last .5"?

Thanks for any help!

Lar Halff
halff@unixg.ubc.ca

BTW I'm also, using Pagemaker 4.2 to do this work.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: c60a-bh@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Cottrell)
Subject: Re: Russian fonts
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:59:03 GMT

"Stuart A. Siegel" <ss8d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>This may seem a bit strange but here goes...Does anyone have Russian
>language fonts for either the Mac or Windows?
Yep, there's a free one around someplace it's called Cyrillic Italia.
You should be able to find it someplace around...

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Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 13:35:21 PST
Subject: Re: REVIEW: PB 160...

Can you daisy chain the SCSI on a PB160?

-David
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Distribution: world
From: Joe_D._Ciarcia@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:20:51 EST
Subject: Re: II vx Vs Ci

Andrew R Southwick writes.
Feature                 IIvx:           IIci:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Model                   4/80            5/80
Processor Speed         32 MHz          25 MHz
Processor               68030           68030
FPU                     68882           68882
External Cache          32K             128K
External Bus Width      16 bits         32 bits
Soldered RAM            4M              0M
RAM SIMM slots          4 (1 bank)      8 (2 banks)
Included RAM            0M              5M
________________________________________________
The External bus width of the ][vx is not 16bits.  If it were it probably
wouldn't be able to address 68 megs of RAM.  I think what you meant was ...
External bus speed ... 16mhz not 16 bits .... there is a BIG difference.  Does
this sound correct??  Can anyone from Apple confirm this??? Joe C.
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From: speth@cats.ucsc.edu (James Gustave)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 25 mHz IIsi--another success story
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:34:11 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: 25MHz ][si upgrade IIsi


Damn the disclaimers and the nay-sayers, I did it this morning and my IIsi
is hauling ass!

It took me about an hour to solder out the old oscillator and put in a socket.
Then I just attached the heat-sink, slotted the new oscillator and it was
off and running.

I used a 30 watt iron, which seemed to be enough.  The advice about working
one pair of pins at a time proved to be really helpful.  I heated the
connection from the bottom of the board while gently prying the oscillator
from the top.  The patience paid off.

Speedometer 3.1 results from before and after indicate an overall performance
increase of 43%, there was a 75% increase in 8-bit color speed!

Some info about my system:
  68030xx20 (The processor was rated at 20 MHz)
  System 7.1
  5 megs RAM (I'm not sure, but I assume 80ns)
  NuBus adaptor, no NuBus card

According to Speedometer, the FPU operations increased by an average of
30%, which confirms that the FPU takes its timing from the oscillator on
the main board.

Everything's so quick now, I can't stand it.

-- 
Jim Speth
speth@cats.ucsc.edu
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: How fast is the external monitor on the new Powerbooks???
Keywords: External monitor, Powerbook
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:34:11 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <92Nov09.062745.25265@acs.ucalgary.ca> tkwoo@acs.ucalgary.ca (Tom Kwong Woo) writes:

>I was wondering how fast an external monitor runs on the 
>new Powerbooks (160/180).  More specifically, how fast is the video
>on the apple 13" monitor or new 14" monitor?  Can you run quicktime
>movies on it at a reasonable rate, and can fast paced arcade games
>be played on the external monitor?

I had a chance to play with a 180 and an Apple 14" color display and the
response was excellent. It seemed superior to the third party products
released for the 100,140,145,170 last year.

I didn't try any games but QuickTime looked fine.

-Geoff
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: goodill_eric@tandem.com (Eric Goodill)
Subject: Experience with Sony CPD-1302 and IIci built-in video?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:38:19 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to hook up a Sony CPD-1302 multisync monitor to a Mac IIci's
built-in video.  I've heard this can be done but might be a bit tricky.  If
you can offer any advice that can save me time, please pass it along.

Cheers, Eric
Eric Goodill, goodill_eric@tandem.com, Tandem Computers, Cupertino, Calif.
From: hopper@cs.ucsd.edu (Steven L. Hopper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Max Memory for a Mac II
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:22:59 GMT

fdm@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Frank D. Malczewski) writes:

>In article <noah-041192152509@noah.apple.com> noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes:
>#In article <1d8vluINN57c@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov
>#(William J. Bene) wrote:

>True or False: The SuperDrive upgrade is not necessary to add the special
>PAL 4MB SIMMs to one of the Mac II's memory banks, giving 20MB total.

>My answer was "True", based on my last reading of the M.M.C. TN. 




I have a MacII with 20MB installed (I also have 5 NUBUS cards installed) and
am able to access all 20MBs.  I don't have the SuperDrive/ROM upgrade either.

You only need to install MODE32 (& Sys 7) to access the extra memory.

BTW, the PAL-4MB SIMMS are installed in 4 sockets at the left, and the 1MB
SIMMS are installed in the right-most 4 sockets.


Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Jonathan A. Duke <jonathan@hermes.bc.edu>
Subject: Re: Times 2
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7292214E1010508@ipmc08.bc.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:12:52 GMT
Organization: Boston College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:19:43 GMT

Subject: Times 2
From: awg0971
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:23:45 GMT
In article <1992Nov12.162345.27312@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ,
awg0971@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Times two is SUPPOSED to double your hard drive space without changing
>ANY of your files. It does this by doing something with your drive's
>drivers to make your drive think it's bigger than it is. It's claimed
>to be 100% safe and effective. Has anyone had experience with it?
>Any problems with it?

I tested TimesTwo, and have been running it for about two months on 
my IIsi.  During the testing I didn't lose any data on my drive due
to TimesTwo (user stupidity, yes; driver, no).

My average compression is about 1.5 to 1.6 to 1.  That is because
I have a bunch of Type 1 printer fonts and lots of .sit files
from the original drive sitting here.  TimesTwo will not be able to
compress those files very much, if at all.

If you have any other questions, feel free to EMail me.

Jon Duke
jonathan@hermes.bc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple 14" monitor - looks like 13" area
From: David Gladstone <D_Gladstone@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:45:39 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:45:27 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

In article <1dh8npINNc6j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Travis Grundke,
an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>>  We just got the apple 14" monitor.  However, when we put it next to
>>    the old 13" the viewing area looked to be exactly the same.  In
>>    fact when we looked at the docs - it said it was a 13" picture tube.
>>
>>
>> so why would one buy the new 14" over the old 13" ?  And does it
>>   really have an extra inch?
>>
> The 14" is the 13" and the 13" is the 14"- get it? <grin> Actually, the
>Apple 13" and 14" ARE the same sized "tube". Apple for some reason
measured
>its tube differently than the rest of the industry, so this time Apple
>decided (to help clear up confusion) to call it 14". Why get the 14"?
Well
>there are some very good reasons:

Following along these lines, didn't Apple release a new, cheap *13* inch
monitor with the performas?  If so, maybe they're actually the 12" ones
they couldn't sell... :-)  (PS: I've never seen a performa and probably
never
will here in New Zealand)

D_Gladstone@cs.aukuni.ac.nz   // Dept of Computer Science, // In real life
=============================// University of Auckland,   // as opposed to
Ph: (64) (9) 373-7599 x5336 // Private Bag 92019,        // in a computer:
Fax:(64) (9) 373-7453      // Auckland, New Zealand.    // David Gladstone
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Dr. Fair
Subject: Re: SIMMS for Sale
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:24:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.173427.954@rei.com>, naizer@rei.com (jonathan naizer)
wrote:
> 
> I've got 4 4mbx8 70ns SIMM modules for Sale. First offer over $150ea.
> 214-579-5820. This is a total of 16MB

Eat my shorts, you price-gouging PRICK!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Subject: Re: II vx Vs Ci
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:49:35 GMT

From what can be gathered in the News:
vx: slower RAM, therefore not much faster than ci, despite higher
    CPU-frequency (33 vs. 25 MHz). Newer ROM, ROM expansion slot, supports
    VGA-monitors with built-in video circuitry. 4MB Ram soldered onto
    the motherboard, 4 SIMM Slots
ci: older ROM, does not support VGA monitors, more SIMM slots. (8,
    correct?) Looks much better! (vx looks almost like any old
    PeeCee-clone)
HSK
-- 
Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel,
womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel.
Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten,
Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten.    ... H. Heine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan)
Subject: Apple 14" monitor - looks like 13" area
Organization: Indiana University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:55:02 GMT


  We just got the apple 14" monitor.  However, when we put it next to
    the old 13" the viewing area looked to be exactly the same.  In
    fact when we looked at the docs - it said it was a 13" picture tube.


 so why would one buy the new 14" over the old 13" ?  And does it
   really have an extra inch?


       
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: omh@cs.brown.edu (Owen M. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: where are the PB 180's?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:07 GMT

A call to Apple Developer Order group as of yesterday reconfirms that
the wait for PB 180s are still at 12 weeks from date order received.

So if you ordered the first week that they were available (Oct 19), you
should see it the week of Jan 11, 1993!  

Happy New Year!

-Owen

Owen Hartnett				omh@cs.brown.edu
"FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
		without knowledge, of things without parallel."
			-Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: scholtes@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joerg Scholtes [Physik])
Subject: PB230--Info wanted!
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: eunet
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:56:02 GMT

 Could somebody who has already used the PB Duo 230 give me as much information
 on it as possible? In Germany, it seems to be difficult to get to know what
 ports it really has and if you can connect it to other Macs.
 Is there any additional hard- and software needed to make AppleTalk work?
 What are your impressions after using the PB230?
 And last but not least: What is its actual price in the US?

 
 Christine Kallmayer
 e-mail: scholtes@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SE/30 floppy drive dying
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept

I think the mechanism of the drive needs cleaning.  It doesn't close
quickly enough when you insert the drive, and it doesn't register.


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From: deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu (michael deerkoski)
Subject: Re: Rumors on MacWorld Expo Releases (Was Re: MacWorld expo)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:56:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.222603.101558@bmug.org> Steve_Costa@bmug.org writes:
>There are no new Macintoshes to be released at the Macworld Expo. Apple hasn't
>done that for year. The new machines are to be introduced on 2/15/92.
>
Hey, don't forget the PowerBook 145 was released during MacWorld Boston!

Seeya,

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