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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Bobby Bowden won't give me a job!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


[stuff deleted]

>Well, Kev, he signed my book the same... But he did sign my free cap when I 
>asked.  Must be because I passed all his players who took my class, I don't 
>know....

>As for the job, I wouldn't give you one either.... Only kidding...  I think 
>you are the only other Nole on the net...

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If, by "the only other Nole on the net" you mean actively enrolled, I don't
know.  I am a Nole alum (91, Electrical Engineering) and have been anxiously
following as well as I can in the paper down here in Palm Bay.  (We get the
Florida Today, which actually seems to be University of Florida Today.  I
need to subscribe to the Democrat again!).  I am sure there are quite a few
alum and many Nole fan lurkers out there.  How 'bout them #3 (AP, the one that
counts in the Bowl Coalition) Noles!!!

D. Head
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From: msengup@eos.ncsu.edu (MAITREYA  SENGUPTA)
Subject: Re: NCSU: COUNTDOWN TO ORANGE BOWL, THRASHES WAKE 42-24!!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.005131.18955@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>   This has been a stellar day for all Wolfpack fans. After leading in the
|>  game 35-0 at one point, Sheridan was nice, and put in our 2nd stringers...
|>  Thsi means that an Orange Bowl bid is very possible with these factors:
|> 
|>  1. Miami beats Syracuse.. (done 16-10)
|>  2. Alabama loses to Auburn or Florida
|>  
|> 
|>  Then:
|> 
|>  Miami vs. Florida State, Sugar Bowl
|>  Texas A&M vs. Alabama, Cotton Bowl
|>  Washington vs. Michigan, Rose Bowl
|>  Nebraska vs. N.C. State, Orange Bowl
|>  Syracuse vs. Georgia, Gator Bowl
|>  Ohio State vs. Florida, Citrus Bowl
|>  Colorado vs. Penn State, Blockbuster Bowl


 Hmmmm..... I hate to bring this up Derrell, but aren't you forgetting Notre
 Dame? At the present moment, they have a better record, a higher ranking,
 and of course, a bigger fan base (hence mo' money) than good ol' NCSU. And 
 they are likely to retain all 3 advantages even if they lose to USC next week.
 Sorry to have to say this but it looks like the Gator is our best bet, with
 an outside shot at the Fiesta.

 Regards;

 M Sengupta.

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:58:52 GMT


In article <92321.094712JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <Qf1qDIS00WAwQjY0p_@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Karamo Motley
><wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> says: > >In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com>
>jfawcett@encore.com (Jason >Fawcett) writes: > >>AP >> >>1.  Miami >>2.
>Alabama >>3.  FSU >>4.  Texas A&M >> >>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow
>out with Tulane.  >> >>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head
>again.  With FSU >and >>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for
>MO POINTS.  The >most >>POINTS could get the #2 spot.  Both Bama and FSU
>will be taken out the > >At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule
>didn't rear it's >head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of
>the top five >atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a
>PAC-10 fan, >just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better
>schedule than >A&M.  What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3
>spot????  >Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of
>Alabama >and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not
>played >anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest
>opponent >was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and
>has >rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by
>>Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  
>
>Sorry, but Miss.  State was ranked 16 before the game, and is now ranked 18,
>I believe.  Check the facts before you flame next time.
>
>And before you tell anyone else how FSU has trounced everyone except Miami,
>I suggest you review the Georgia Tech game.

and the Clemson game..   

>
>Jim Thomas
>Penn State

cmuck
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:38:48 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


>In article <1992Nov16.212802.20596@news.nd.edu> rwood1@takagi.helios.nd.edu (richard >wood) writes:
>>Not that it makes mush difference, but the bowls are
>>put together according to the rankings of the teams
>>from the CNN/USA Today Poll - NOT the AP Poll.
>>
>>
>>later

>I'm just curious ... does anyone have any verification of
>this.  I always thought the AP poll decided the polls.

>		- rob


Rob,

I think you're right; the AP Poll decides the Bowl matchups, not the CNN/USA
Today (coaches) Poll.  My source is the Florida Today (printed by the USA Today
organization) sports page of Nov. 17.  I'm not sure where Richard got his info.

D. Head
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dames@jones.cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames)
Subject: Re: thanks minnesota!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:44:09 GMT

al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo) writes:

>Thank you, University of Minnesota!!!

>  Your season ending thumping of Iowa has done a great service for
>college football. Had the now 5-7 Hawkeyes won, they would have
>played in a bowl, possibly taking a spot away from more deserving
>squads like Washington State(8-3).

   What I find very ironic about the Minnesota victory over Iowa at the
dome is how closely the situation parallels that of two years ago, when
the 8-2 Hawkeyes strutted into Minnesota needing only a tie to clinch the
Rose Bowl on the heels of a 28-27 loss to the Buckeyes, who were playing
Michigan at OSU.  Minnesota won handily; meanwhile the Buckeyes and Wolves
were engaged in a 13-13 tie (deja vu) late in the game, with OSU possessing
the football on their own 30.  An OSU victory would have given the Buckeyes
the berth, while a tie would've sent the Illini!  Of course, Glenn Frey
and OSU were unable to convert a 4th and 1 or 2 and the Wolves kicked a FG
to win 16-13.  The Gophers seem to have a personal vendetta against the
Hawkeyes, who seem all to willing to give their bowl games away!

                                                Ray Dames
                                                dames@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:39:45 GMT

In <1e52ibINNk7c@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:

>the penalty was on the conversion, would the yards be marked off on the
>conversion or the kickoff?

Penalties on touchdown plays and conversions:

If a defensive foul is committed during a play that ends in a touchdown,
the offended team may choose to enforce the penalty on the PAT or on
the kickoff.

If a defensive foul is committed during a succesful PAT the penalty
is enforced on the kickoff.
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From: uko@aifbknuth.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Udo Kohlmorgen)
Subject: Want all scores of weeks 1,2,3, and 4
Organization: AIFB, University of Karlsruhe (Baden / Germany)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:20:21 GMT

Could anybody mail to me the scores of all the games
in weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the 107 1-A teams.

Thank you very much


Udo Kohlmorgen
Institut f. Angewandte Informatik
und Formale Beschreibungsverfahren
der Universitaet Karlsruhe, Germany
Phone: ++49-721-608-3998
Fax:   ++49-721-693717
E-Mail: uko@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de
From: ryan@open.cs.fsu.edu (John Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:05:54 GMT
Reply-To: ryan@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <1992Nov16.060531.13604@socrates.umd.edu> elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering) writes:
>In article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>>
>>AP
>>
>>1. Miami
>>2. Alabama
>>3. FSU
>>4. Texas A&M
>>
>>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>>
>>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU and
>>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The most
>>POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the big 
>>stick for Florida.  Florida will not go down without a fight, and Spur's
>>throwing his visor many times.
>>
>>Texas A&M is not happy about the AP polls, but are still in the race.   
>>Unless, FSU makes it to #2 and meets Miami in the Fiesta.
>>

> Couldn't agree with you more, A&M did nothing to merit a drop like that
>in the polls. A W is a W and nobody remember how you did it later on. By
>the way, how about the rest of the top 25?....
>
>Dave Elfering
>elfering@socrates.umd.edu
>

A&M didn't drop in the polls.  In the CNN/USA Today poll, they raised a
notch to #3, while in the AP, they remained at  #4.

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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: a brief quiz
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:05:34 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

How many coaches have met all of the below criteria?

1) Greater than a %66 success rate in bowl games.?

2) Around a %90 record versus in state rivals at their current school?

3) At least five wins in Major Bowls (Cotton, Sugar, Rose, Orange or Sugar).?

4) 200+ career wins.?

5) A MNC?

6) *Routed* Miami in a bowl game?

7) Their school refuses to extent their contract?





Answer: Johnny Majors.

Admittedly #2 is slanted stat because Vanderbilt, and Memphis State have
not always provided tough competition, but the others are legit.
Besides, compare the Pitt-PSU rivalry when Majors was the Panther coach
to what it is today.

If Majors can be forced out, then no coach is safe. A short list of
coaches that would not measure up to the University of Tennesee 
administration's standards.

1) Bobby Bowden - A great bowl record, but no MNC, and a questionable
   record versus in state rivals.

2) Tom Osborne -  A pathetic bowl record, no MNC, and a mediocre record
                  versus Oklahoma.

3) Terry Donahue - A great bowl record, but no MNC, and lost to Tenn 30-16
                   last year.

4) "Bo"          - A miserable bowl record, no MNC, and a non winning record
                   versus Ohio State. (As an Ohio State fan I do not count
                   Bo's two victories against John Cooper)
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:44:44 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov22.014417.74436@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:

> In article <1em1e8INNga1@agate.berkeley.edu>, hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William
> Hackett) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >What about UCLA,USC,Stanford,Cal, Texas,Texas A&M,Rice , and Houston
> >forming a Super Texas California Conference to Dominate The East Coast
> >in everything.  Acacdemically would be one of the stongest conferences
> >bar none including Ivy Leauge..  All Schools have a descent Academic
> >record..
[what each school is good at deleted]

> >Texas and Calfornia Team up to End EAST COAST BIAS and create the best
> >conference in everything :-) Bar NONE!!!

> Except the ACC 
[list of what ACC schools are good at deleted]

> I
> suppose I could go on, But there is only so much I can say to an Idiot like
> you except that not only does the ACC currently exist, but this T/C conference
> is just impossible, read any of the earlier posts about UofT and aTm getting
> held hostage by the Texas Legislature.  Grow A Brain.

  Grow a sense of humor.  I thought the post was pretty funny, myself.  And
as for A&M and UT being held hostage by the state leg, most of the leg (well,
a lot of it, at least) is made up of UT and A&M alumni, and this fund cutting
stuff makes great rhetoric, but it would never happen -- it would be political
suicide to try.

> "I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
> wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
> another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett

  I like Buffet too, but you left out some punctuation...


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Michigan Wolveweeinies #7???
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:46:11 GMT

	Can anyone explain to me why in the world Michigan is still ranked
#7? They played 3 teams with a winning record (ND, Illinois, OSU) and 
couldn't beat any or them. Yes, they didn't lose but they didn't win
either. Not to mention they way they struggled against Purdue. I think
that given their performance of the past month, they are not a #7, let alone
Top Ten team.
	And once again, Moeller plays for a tie. The only difference between
the plays that he called, and the ones that Holtz called earlier in the year,
was that Michigan got some positve yardage. So all of you UM fans who jumped
all over Holtz must be real happy with Moeller right? Last week he said that 
he wanted to be sure that the team went to the Rose Bowl. This week the
excuses were 1)The field was too wet, 2)The crowd was too loud, 3)Elvis had
left the stadium, and 4)Moeller was around Bo too long.
	So the Rose Bowl will be between a sliding Michigan team and a sliding
Washington team. That sure really capture the attention of the nation. But
once again, we'll hear how it's the Grandaddy of all bowl games and the one
that everyone "really" wants to play in. Ask Miami, FSU, and ND if they really
care about playing there. They will be playing for bigger things on New Year's
Day.

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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Cal to play FSU in 1996 and 2000
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:43:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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Actually, it's Fresno State.  A friend was reading the sports
section in a Fresno newspaper and saw the headline thinking it meant
Cal was finally going to schedule a tough out of conference game
again (hey, we played Miami in 1989 and 1990).

Ahwell.  That's Cal.  Next season's out of conference opponents for the
Cal Bears will be San Jose State, San Diego State, Temple, and Hawaii.

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley

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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.231928.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>
swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>Hastings appeared to touch the ball on the one inch line, his momentum
>carried him into the end zone, he dropped the ball.  He picked up the ball
>and started to run.  He was tackled.
>
>I don't know the college rule for this.  Does anyone have a copy of the
>rules?  Mark, Daryl??  A friend told me that in college ball a player can
>run around in the end zone on a punt as long as he isn't rying to run it out
>(?).  Another friend told me that Hastings called for a fair catch.  I guess
>I need to get out that tape of the game.
>
>--
>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
 
From the 1992 NCAA Football Rules and Intrepretations, here's the
section on safeties, with references to approved rulings omitted.
 
RULE 8 Scoring
                        SECTION 5. SAFETY
How Scored
Article 1. It is a safety when:
a. The ball becomes dead out of bounds behind a goal line (except from
   an incompleted forward pass) or becomes dead in the possession of a
   player on, above or behind his own goal line, and the defending
   team is responsible for the ball being there.
     When in question, it is a touchback, not a safety.
b. An accepted penalty for a foul leaves the ball on or behind the
   offending team's goal line.
  Exception:  When a Team B player intercepts a forward pass, fumble or
backward pass or catches a scrimmage or free kick between his five-yard
line and the goal line and his original momentum carries him into the
end zone, where the ball is declared dead in his team's possession or it
goes out of bounds in the end zone, the ball belongs to Team B at the
spot where the pass or fumble was intercepted or the kick was caught.
 
It seems to me, from your description, that the play in question was
correctly ruled a touchback.  The kicking team, and not the "defending"
team, was responsible for the ball being in the endzone.  Also, the
question of whether or not the punt returner touched the ball outside of
his end zone is irrelevant;  before the "exception" portion of the rule
can take effect, the punt returner must actually "catch" the ball.
 
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From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Mediocracy vs Money
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:08:40 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


	Is this years field of Bowl-eligable teams rather dismal? (piss-poor) 
I get sick listening to people talk about teams with 6-5 or 5-5 records who
have hopes of a Bowl showi.  Seems the Big 8 is particularly weak and blessesed
all in the same breath.  I'm not the only one who's commented on this.  What's
going on?  Personally, I like to watch about 9-12 hours of football on New
Years Day. (slightly more than the wife :) )  I'd hate to think that there will
be a time of the day where all I have available to watch is a couple unranked,
6-6 or 7-5 teams duking it out for a chance to vindicate their appearance. 
Last year it was the great ND controversy.  What do we have to look forward to
this year?
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From: exustp@exu.ericsson.se (Stephen Pittner,xt-dt,x0672)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Iron Bowl
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:01:37 GMT
Reply-To: exustp@exu.ericsson.se
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              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
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In article 16060@b11.b11.ingr.com, gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) writes:
>OK it's here. Iron Bowl week. Most people are picking the Tide to
>roll over Auburn like an 18 wheeler over a decaying road kill. To
>insure this I will apply some anti-woofing. Let's compare the
>results of the six common opponents they faced.
>
>		Alabama		Auburn
>Vandy		+17		+24
>S. Miss	+7		+8
>Arkansas	+27		Tie (They wuz robbed. Shoulda won by
>				     at least 21)
>Ole Miss	+21		-14 (This was early in the season,
>				    on the road and a TON of bad breaks)
>LSU		+20		+2  (Auburn had a big lead and went
>				    to sleep)
>Miss St	+9		-7  Bama should have lost by 10
-----------------------------------------------
***********************************************
              ** 101 ***      ** 13 **
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>Based on this Auburn is the superior team and should prevail by
>10-14 points. All we can hope for is an upset by the Tide!!
>
>Roll Tide!!
>Stanley

How can you say Auburn is the Superior Team? The numbers speak for themselves....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Why did Syracuse waste so much time?
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:48:44 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov22.165509.15404@newstand.syr.edu> mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley) writes:

| P.S.  On campus here one of the house had a sign that said "You can't
| spell SCUM without UM (U. of Miami)"  After seeing the game I can't
| help but agree.  The Miami guys spent a lot of time in the first
| half being a$$holes.  The second half, however, SU got in some
| great hits and their defense stomped 'em.  The Miami guys seemed
| to shut up, at least till the final horn sounded and then they
| all mugged the camera.  You may be #1 Miami, but you pale in comparison
| to a lot of past #1's

Well since some of the SU fans were a$$holes.  Wearing the SCUM t-shirts,
taunting the Canes players before the game.  One Miami fan had a brick
thrown through his back window of the car... etc.  The Syracuse newspaper 
had little of the bad boy SU stuff in the paper Sunday.

Miami and Syracuse are in a conference together.  It's time to kool this
type of stuff.  Just remember ScUm has a SU in the word.  Next year
SU will be in the Orange Bowl.     



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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Call for I-AA top 10
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:47:37 GMT


Anyone wanting to submit a I-AA top 10 this week please email it to me by 
Thursday.

BTW, last weeks top 10 was posted on Friday, in case anyone who was looking for
it missed it.

Thanks--

PDunn
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