HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@cs.ubc.ca (Usenet News)
Subject: UBC CS News Stats
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 10:49:45 GMT


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Hostname            	Queued	  Got	 Dups	 Junk	 Ctrl
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
beaver.cs.washington	 6392	  289	    0	    2	    4
canada.scheme.cs.ubc	 2817	    0	    0	    0	    0
clipper.uvic.ca     	 2158	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.apple2	    1	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.mac   	    5	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.c         	   23	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.fortran   	    7	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.os.minix       	    3	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.amiga  	  394	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.unix   	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.dec        	    7	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.ibm.pc.dige	   35	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.mac        	  169	    0	    0	    0	    0
cs.sfu.ca           	 8528	    2	    0	    0	    0
destroyer.rs.itd.umi	 1558	 7261	    0	  534	   64
fs1.ee.ubc.ca       	 7441	    2	    0	    0	    0
k12.3               	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
malin1.mala.bc.ca   	 8823	    0	    0	    0	    0
mammoth.tera.com    	   30	    0	    0	    0	    0
maps                	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
merlin              	   89	    0	    0	    0	    0
mprgate.mpr.ca      	 8530	    0	    0	    0	    0
news-server.csri.tor	    4	  892	    8	   70	    7
news.admin          	   11	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.sysadmin       	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.uvic.ca        	 8563	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.wimsey.bc.ca   	 8225	  304	   39	   51	    5
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 	 8754	   74	    0	    6	    1
newsserver.sfu.ca   	 8543	   20	    0	    1	    1
orion.gov.bc.ca     	 5798	    0	    0	    0	    0
scapa.cs.ualberta.ca	 8789	    0	    0	    0	    0
sophlab.cs.ubc.ca   	 2813	    0	    0	    0	    0
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
Totals              	98526	 8844	   47	  664	   82

Control:
news.wimsey.bc.ca 5
beaver.cs.washington.edu 4
news-server.csri.toronto.edu 7
newsserver.sfu.ca 1
destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 64
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 1
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Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
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merlin       0.000   165.598   165.598   0.00   0.03     0  1491    0   42

Total active uucp sites:	      1

Total files rec d:	              0
Total files xmit:	             42
Total files:		             42

Total bytes rec d:	              0
Total bytes xmit:	         169572
Total bytes:		         169572



Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:49:35 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:

> | this perpetuates a myth regarding telebit uucp spoofing.  it is
> | false.  the 'g' headers are *not* stripped, they are sent from one
> | modem to the next. 
> 
>   Can you expand on that? From stats I keep I see an improvement in
> performance using spoofing, so I'm not sure exactly how this "myth"
> influences my numbers.

   The 'myth' is that a Telebit spoofing a protocol strips the framing and 
checksum bytes, based on the theory that they're not necessary since the 
protocol used to transfer the data over the modem link is streaming and 
inherently error correcting.  If indeed this were done, UUCP-g would perform 
measurably better on a spoofed session than it already does (on the order of 
10%).

>   I willing to believe that Telebit might state something not true, or
> that I might misread their description, but I find it hard to believe
> that would confuse my scripts which read the data and tell me what's
> happening for transfer rates.

   The gain from spoofing a UUCP-g transfer at high speeds over high latency 
links (especially if the transport is half-duplex) is huge; however, if the 
'myth' were true, the throughput figures should be even higher.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
Xref: sparky tor.uucp:37 ont.uucp:310 comp.dcom.modems:13153 comp.unix.sysv386:14238 comp.protocols.misc:681
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Sep2.223307.29625@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, honey@citi.umich.edu (Peter Honeyman) writes:
| william E Davidsen writes:
| |>   Greater packet overhead, I suspect. Are you using uucp spoofing to
| |> eliminate sending all the overhead on the wire? S111.
| 
| this perpetuates a myth regarding telebit uucp spoofing.  it is
| false.  the 'g' headers are *not* stripped, they are sent from one
| modem to the next. 

  Can you expand on that? From stats I keep I see an improvement in
performance using spoofing, so I'm not sure exactly how this "myth"
influences my numbers. My reading of the Telebit info leads me to
believe that the acks are locally generated, never sent between modems,
and that parts of the headers are compressed, fiddled, and/or stripped
such that they reduce the bits going over the wire.

  I willing to believe that Telebit might state something not true, or
that I might misread their description, but I find it hard to believe
that would confuse my scripts which read the data and tell me what's
happening for transfer rates.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:52:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems

davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>honey@citi.umich.edu (Peter Honeyman) writes:
>| william E Davidsen writes:
>| |>   Greater packet overhead, I suspect. Are you using uucp spoofing to
>| |> eliminate sending all the overhead on the wire? S111.
>| 
>| this perpetuates a myth regarding telebit uucp spoofing.  it is
>| false.  the 'g' headers are *not* stripped, they are sent from one
>| modem to the next. 
>
>  Can you expand on that? From stats I keep I see an improvement in
>performance using spoofing, so I'm not sure exactly how this "myth"
>influences my numbers. My reading of the Telebit info leads me to
>believe that the acks are locally generated, never sent between modems,
>and that parts of the headers are compressed, fiddled, and/or stripped
>such that they reduce the bits going over the wire.
>

No fiddling takes place, except when you have the modem's compression
turned on, which doesn't count.  The compression algorithm doesn't
handle the packet headers any differently than any other sequence of
bytes.

>
>  I willing to believe that Telebit might state something not true, or
>that I might misread their description, but I find it hard to believe
>that would confuse my scripts which read the data and tell me what's
>happening for transfer rates.
>

When I joined Telebit tech support, my supervisor and the senior tech
both told me spoofing stripped the headers.  Not just for uucp, but for
Kermit and X/Ymodem also.  Months later an engineer corrected me on this
point, and I've recently had the chance to examine the source code with
my own eyes.

The modem does not alter data packets in any way.  No headers are stripped.
The only headers that are altered are INITA and INITC, when the protocol
starts up.  That's how the modem forces the window size to 3.

Why did Tech Support erroneously think the modem stripped the headers from
the data packets?  Probably someone told them it did, years ago when they
were first trained on the new spoofing features.  One small slip, a phrase
worded a little too vaguely, and the myth is born.


As far as transfer rates are concerned, we're talking apples and oranges.
Telebit spoofing doesn't strip headers to make uucp run faster.  It acks
packets more quickly, allowing the packets to flow in a steady stream
without pauses.  Like Zmodem does.


-- 
 .------------------------------------------------------------------.
 |  Greg Andrews   |       UUCP: {amdahl,claris}!netcom!gerg        |
 |                 |   Internet: gerg@netcom.COM                    |
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Xref: sparky tor.uucp:36 ont.uucp:307 comp.dcom.modems:13098 comp.unix.sysv386:14160 comp.protocols.misc:673
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 14:56:52 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:

> Hi Folks...
> 
> 	Stupid question of the week...maybe even the year...but it
> has me curious :)
> 
> 	Why do I get better speeds with zmodem using v.32bis on
> a Worldblazer then uucico?

   ZMODEM is a streaming protocol.  While it may incurr higher overhead than 
some protocols (such as YMODEM-G), it does a good job of maintaining roughly 
95% of maximum possible throughput on any given link - up to the machines' 
maximum capabilities, of course.

   Still, if you have protocol spoofing enabled on the WB (I believe that the 
WB supports spoofing over V.32bis, does it not?), you should get close 
figures.

   If not, then what's happening is that the transmitting end sends 3 (or 7) 
packets of 64 bytes long before the ACK for the first packet arrives, so the 
transmitter shuts up... and throughput capability goes unused.  This pause is 
what ZMODEM circumvents.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
Xref: sparky tor.uucp:38 ont.uucp:311
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 22:38:58 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org> writes:

> anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward) writes:
> >"Better" for what, under what circumstances?
> 
> All circumstances that I know of.  I don't think g protocol even has an
> advantage over Zmodem on noisy lines.  

   Actually, that depends... if you're speaking at a low baud rate (less than 
2400 bps) and are forced to accept many stages of buffering between systems, a 
ZMODEM zrpos (resend from byte <n>) may have to wait in queue behind data that 
will be thrown away when the zrpos signal arrives.  UUCP-g, at least, limits 
the damage to 216 bytes (3 packet window) or 504 bytes (7 packet window). 

   DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that this is common, only that there are 
circumstances where UUCP-g might produce better throughput than ZMODEM.

> Spare me your dumb philosophy.

   Not only is Anton's objection about absolutes correct (if not very 
significant in this case), but this response comes accross as more rude than I 
believe you intended. 

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.155143.24351@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.223307.29625@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, honey@citi.umich.edu (Peter Honeyman) writes:
>| william E Davidsen writes:
>| |>   Greater packet overhead, I suspect. Are you using uucp spoofing to
>| |> eliminate sending all the overhead on the wire? S111.
>| 
>| this perpetuates a myth regarding telebit uucp spoofing.  it is
>| false.  the 'g' headers are *not* stripped, they are sent from one
>| modem to the next. 
>
>  Can you expand on that? From stats I keep I see an improvement in
>performance using spoofing, so I'm not sure exactly how this "myth"
>influences my numbers. My reading of the Telebit info leads me to
>believe that the acks are locally generated, never sent between modems,
>and that parts of the headers are compressed, fiddled, and/or stripped
>such that they reduce the bits going over the wire.
>
>  I willing to believe that Telebit might state something not true, or
>that I might misread their description, but I find it hard to believe
>that would confuse my scripts which read the data and tell me what's
>happening for transfer rates.
>
	My understanding is that 'g' spoofing gets rid of the need
for the modem to send the 'acks' to the host, with the modem's
themselves receiving and interpreting them.  This helps increase
the throughput by reducing the load on the modem<->computer
connection because no 'acks' are being transmitted except from 
modem<->modem :)

Marc
-- 
Marc G. Fournier      | R-node Public Access Unix running UnixBBS 1.03
Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell/feed accounts available   1800+ newsgroups
marc@r-node.pci.on.ca | Telebit T3000/SupraModem2400/Cardinal 2400  FREE
Newsgroups: tor.general
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Giant slugs hit Toronto??
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Distribution: tor
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:17:55 GMT

mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.125900.11287@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca> hasmis@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca
>(Harold W. Asmis) writes:
>>After having to run full speed to the garden, we discovered
>>this giant slug, a good 5" long, and an inch thick.  I disposed of it,
>>but we still have shudders thinking about it.  Has anyone come across
>>this?  Is this a separate variety of the ordinary, teensy slug, or an
>>ordinary slug that has gone wild on the mildewy tomatoes?
>
>     There was an article about these things on CBC radio a year or two
>ago.  This is a European slug which has been accidentally imported to
>this country.  They are harmless to humans but they cut quite a swath
>through gardens and crop fields.

I remember one of those suckers slimed in my basement apartment window last
summer. Never having seen a slug so large, and being a fan of "creepy
crawlies" I was playing with it. My boyfriend however does not like the same
things that I do, and refused to come near me, or the slug.

Gaea
gaea@zooid.guild.org (Mother Nature)
ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Canada


Newsgroups: tor.general
From: roman.yarish@rose.com (roman yarish)
Subject: anted lunchbox case
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Distribution: tor
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:58:48 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 09-05-92 11:50
Looking for lunchbox case.. leave msg with details.

roman.yarish@rose.com
---
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   RM 2.00 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285
Xref: sparky tor.general:1245 ont.uucp:320
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.uucp
Subject: Re: Favourite UUCP Bulletin Boards for DOS?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:59:16 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

> While it's unlikely we'll see a faster DX2 chip from Intel, what about AMD?

   I presume you mean faster than the 33/66 486DX2.

   No one has a *real* 486 clone yet, and the 486 is still clearly a winner 
against any 386-based design, including the AMD 386/40 (which compares to a 20 
or 25 MHz 486SX) and the Cyrix 486SLC (which is subject to debate as to its 
486ishness, but it is definitely a less capable chip than the current 486, let 
alone the 486DX2).

   If you want something faster than an Intel CPU, you're going to have to 
forsake IBM PC compatibility for it; unfortunately I find myself too fond of 
my PC apps to live without them and, besides, I'm too poor to afford a SPARC 
based machine anyway.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: Re: Giant slugs hit Toronto??
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 22:44:50 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

hasmis@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca (Harold W. Asmis) writes: 

> On the weekend, the sig. other was cleaning the garden, when she had a
> total fit.  After having to run full speed to the garden, we discovered
> this giant slug, a good 5" long, and an inch thick.
> [...]
> harold.w.asmis@hydro.on.ca

   From now on, I advise you to be skeptical when your friend from Chalk River 
asks you to bury something in your backyard 'for safekeeping'!

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general
From: gulati@access.digex.com (Raj K. Gulati)
Subject: Asian-Indian newspapers in Canada?
Reply-To: gulati@access.digex.com
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:13:01 GMT

Hi all,

   I am wondering what asian-indian newspapers (news about india, and
the indian community in canada/u.s) are widely read and available in
canada. Whatever response I get, I will definitely summarize and post
back. Please note that this issue relates to CANADIAN readership, not
that in the U.S. Please provide the following information:

                RATING: 1(poor)....3(fair)....5(good)      (S)ubscription
               Indian-Canadian Info   Info about India     or (B)uy from
                                                           store/temple
                                                           or (L)library

name of paper      1-5?                   1-5?             S/B/L

Hope to hear some good response. It would be interesting to see how
this relates in the U.S.

Regards,



-- 
Raj K. Gulati, Unix Technology, M/S MC07B, G.E. INFORMATION SERVICES, 401 North
 Washington Street, Rockville, MD 20850, USA. [QK: RAJ@GEIS] 1-(301)-340-5204
  CompuServe: 70323,1430  Internet: gulati@access.digex.com, GEnie: R.GULATI
  *** This message is submitted with no intended representation of G.E. ***
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general
From: quenton@Cherniak.ON.CA (Dennis Smith)
Subject: Window problem - glass
Organization: Cherniak Giblon
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:51:35 GMT

Real glass ones, not those that sometimes appear on your screen.

I have 15 windows in the front of my hours (panes) each about 2'x4'.
My father had them installed some 42 years ago.  They are plain glass
with diamond shape leading glued to the outside.  Unfortunately my son
is now a teenager and likes to play baseball.
I now have to replace two of these windows, glass spread around my
living room.

Is anyone aware of a product which permits imitation leading?  I really
don't want to get into real leaded windows, at least not until my sons
grow out of baseball.
-- 
Dennis Smith, quenton@Cherniak.ON.CA, UUCP: ..!lsuc!cherniak!quenton
+1 416 771 7011, FAX +1 416 771 6288
Cherniak Giblon 10 Commerce Valley Dr. E. #400, Thornhill, Ont. CANADA L3T 7N7
Newsgroups: tor.general
From: maclean@ecf.toronto.edu (MACLEAN Wallace James)
Subject: Wanted - Gralab Series 300 Darkroom Timer
Keywords: darkroom equipment, photography
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: Toronto
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:38:21 GMT

	I'm looking for a Gralab series 300 (or equivalent)
	darkroom timer, second hand and in good condition.
	Anyone who has one they wish to part with can reach
	me via email or by phoning 596-6509 (best success
	between 8 - 9 am !  :-) )

	James


-- 
------------------------------------------------------

  W. James MacLean
  maclean@ecf.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: ut.general,tor.general,ont.general
From: uhendel@epas.utoronto.ca (Ursula Deirdre Hendel)
Subject: Apartment to Share
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: tor
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:14:12 GMT

Female looking to share a beautiful three bedroom apartment with same.
Top two floors of large Victorian house.  Apartment has very large rooms,
hardwood floors, high ceilings, deck, parking but no laundry.

I'm pretty busy but laid back and I'm looking for someone who isn't uptight

The apartment is a Huron & Lowther and the rent will be about $550.00 a month
including utilities, and negotiable.

No lease required, although I'm looking for someone who will stay for awhile.

If you're interested, call me at 276-1685 or send me mail.  The place is
available October 1.

Ursula


uhendel@epas
Newsgroups: tor.general
From: cliffg@gjetor.geac.com (Cliff Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Giant slugs hit Toronto??
Keywords: slugs
Organization: Geac Canada Ltd.
Distribution: tor
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.125900.11287@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca>
                hasmis@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca (Harold W. Asmis) writes:

>After having to run full speed to the garden, we discovered
>this giant slug, a good 5" long, and an inch thick.  I disposed of it,
>we still have some reluctance to go into the garden.
>Harold W. Asmis Tel:  (416) 592-7379  Fax: (416) 592-5322 EMail:
>harold.w.asmis@hydro.on.ca

        Wrong.  While they may not be gifted with the beauty of
butterflys, last time I heard slugs, which are just homeless snails,
were beneficial to gardens and should not to be "disposed of".
Besides, they don't bite.  They just cuddle real slimey-like.
                                  .
Newsgroups: tor.general
From: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Subject: Re: Giant slugs hit Toronto??
Reply-To: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Organization: Snake Island Research Inc, Toronto
Distribution: tor
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:50:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.125900.11287@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca> hasmis@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca (Harold W. Asmis) writes:
>Since it seems to be a slow day on tor.general, I was wondering if
>anyone knew anything about giant slugs in the gardens this year.  On
>the weekend, the sig. other was cleaning the garden, when she had a
>total fit.  After having to run full speed to the garden, we discovered
>this giant slug, a good 5" long, and an inch thick.  I disposed of it,

These are probably banana slugs, popular in the NW. I haven't seen them
here. Perhaps they're feeding on errant zebra mussels?

AHem.

One good way to get rid of them without trouble is to leave a pieplate
full of beer in the garden. Try some cheap lousy brand like Molson or
Labatts. No sense wasting good beer on slug murder.
Bob


Robert Bernecky      rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.com  bernecky@itrchq.itrc.on.ca 
Snake Island Research Inc  (416) 368-6944   FAX: (416) 360-4694 
18 Fifth Street, Ward's Island
Toronto, Ontario M5J 2B9 
Canada