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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The Klingon-Federation Neutral Zone
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 00:40:02 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

00acearl@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

> As I understand it, a neutral zone was established between the Klingon Empire
> and the Federation by the Organian Peace Treaty.  My memory fails me somewhat
> but I think that a synopsis of this document is given in the old Star Fleet
> Technical Manual, right after the Articles of Federation.  

Almost.  Right after the Articles of Federation is the peace treaty
between the Federation and the Romulans.  Part II of that treaty reads:

BETWEEN THE ADJACENT TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES OF THE TWO PARTIES THERE IS
ESTABLISHED A NEUTRAL ZONE, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY PARSECS IN WIDTH IN
THE GALACTIC LONGITUDINAL PLANE, AND EXTENDING TO THE OUTER BOUNDARY OF
THE GALAXY IN THE VERTICAL PLANE;

(Don't blame me for the ALL CAPS -- that's how it appears in the book.)

Immediately after the Romulan treaty is the one imposed by Organia on
the Federation and the Klingons.  Condition 2 reads:

HENCEFORTH FROM THIS TIME, WITHIN A ZONE SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY PARSECS
IN WIDTH BETWEEN THE ADJACENT TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES OF BOTH PARTIES, NO
ARMED HOSTILITIES MAY TAKE PLACE BETWEEN THE KLINGON EMPIRE AND THE
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS;

It's also interesting that Condition 4 of the Organian treaty begins
with this sentence:

THE TIME WILL COME IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE KLINGON EMPIRE AND THE UNITED
FEDERATION OF PLANETS WILL BECOME ALLIES AND GOOD FRIENDS, WORKING
TOGETHER IN PEACE AND HARMONY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF BOTH.

Appearing in a book that was published in 1975, this seems rather
prophetic, doesn't it?  Obviously, the Organians had seen a few episodes
of TNG.  I wonder what they think of "Deep Space Nine".

-- 
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From: 00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re:Best beamout and Ferengi trick
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:43:44 GMT

I once heard of a practical joke someone on TOS (Kirk?) played on a 
prof.  Beamed him right into the middle of an important meeting, but
because the transporter was programmed to transport only organic matter,
his clothes were nowhere to be seen. ;^)
So, the Ferengi weren't the first to think of that trick when they 
transported the Trois on board their ship.  But then, no one ever
accused the Ferengi of being original.

Becki "There's too much blood in my sugar levels!" Chorzempa
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: STAR TREK TIMELINE: SD vs Dates
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:33:43 GMT

Regarding the STAR TREK TIMELINEs 1, 2 & 3, keep up the good work.
Someone was bound to do something like this eventually, and perhaps
more than a few already are (if so, they should come forward and
share their data with the author of the TIMELINE).

Anyhow, what I want to know is how you translate stardates to and
from given dates (i.e. 1992 = what stardate?)

I have read that stardates, according to Paramount Writers Guide (or
something like that) goes like this:

Stardate 45678.9, where 4 refers to the 24th century
                        5 refers to the 5th season
                        678 refers to the portion of the TV season/1000
                    and 9 refers to tenths of a day

Of course in TOS stardates tended to jump around.  And even with the
above guide, things are still not clear (only 10 seasons in a century?!)

So are you avoiding stardates?  Translating them?

My interest in this matter lies in the fact that I have designed a
role playing game set in the  ST:TNG universe, and unfortunately,
I began using stardates.  If I take seasons to represent earth years,
does the century digit change when I hit the eleventh season?  I think
not.  There has to be some answer here.

I have to admit that I would like to have an answer in the interest of
Star Trek itself, but my real goal is to get some sort of feedback on
a way to "skirt" the writer's guide definition, and come up with some
sort of workable stardate->date conversion system for my role-playing
game.  The system I came up with for my game (not an explanation for
Star Trek) is:

Stardate 45678.9, where 4 is the 24th century
                        56 is the portion of the century (years)
                        78 is the portion of the year (78/100ths)
                    and 9 is tenths of a day

Of course, this isn't perfect either (what happens at the 31st century?),
but it will do for the short term.

Please don't ask me to re-direct my question to one of the roleplaying
newsgroups -- I've had no response there.  I'm asking here because if
you are reading this, you are more interested in the challenge of it
because it is concerned with Star Trek.

Any takers?

Peter                                       goudswaa@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Short question about Lt.Saavik
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:43:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.124236.1086@jyu.fi>, tm@jyu.fi (Timo Mannikko) writes:
> I have seen only two ST movies ( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( ), TWOK a few years
> ago, and TSFS just recently. My question is: Was the actress, who played
> Lt.Saavik, changed between these movies? Or, did she just change her
> hairdo? :-)
> 
> - Timo

No, you weren't seeing things, Saavik was played by two different actresses.
The first (and IMHO *best*, by far) was Kirstie Alley, who now plays
Rebecca on Cheers.  The second was Robin Curtis.  

If they had gone ahead and used Saavik in ST:TUC (ST6) instead of renaming 
the character Valeris, there would have been three different actresses 
portraying Saavik.  Too bad Kirstie Alley didn't want to play her again.  
She was great!

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick D. Singley)
Subject: Re: holosex restrictions
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:31:02 GMT

>I always got the impression that sex is permitted on the Holodeck.  I can
>remember Riker saying to Geordi in one episode, "We've all spent some time in
>the Holodeck," implying that it's a common ... uh ... release.
 
>stephen dowling         dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org         minneapolis minnesota

Yeah, but can you immagine standing out in the hallway explaining what you want
to see inside? :)

Erick
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From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.collecting
Subject: Re: Star Ornaments For Sale
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:32:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <e97n02C81fQ601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, jtd@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (The DeMented One) writes:
> I have a limited number of 1991 AND 1992 Star Trek Hallmark
> Ornaments for sale.  They come as a set only.  
> 
> Asking Price: $160 (plus postage if not prepaid)
> 
> Send email to me if interested.
> 
> -- The DeMented One


Demented is correct especially since you can still buy
the 1992 ornament for $24.95.  

Rick
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: brent@crash.cts.com (Brent Turner)
Subject: Where can i get the Star Trek List of Lists?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:22:58 PDT
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Portland's ST "Federation Science" exhibit
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:19:15 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Hi! Last week my husband & I got a chance to go to the Oregon Museum of
Science & Industry in Portland to catch their "Federation Science"
exhibit, which just ended. The purpose of the exhibit was to teach
science using Trek terminology. One area used computer graphics to "beam
down" visitors to Farpoint Station, where a simple form of virtual
reality had falling rocks on the participants (shown on a monitor).
The crew could "deflect" the falling objects. After about 60 seconds,
you were "beamed" back to the museum.

Another popular feature had 4 touch terminal displays with differnt
video-game type programs that were "missions" given by the TNG characters.
In one, Worf (Michael Dorn's actual voice) assigned the task of deflecting
an asteroid that was ready to crater a planet (lesson on vectors &
trajectories). He said things like ("That is NOT an effective use of
the tractor beam" and "You are a true warrior"). If you were sucessful,
you got to chose a scene to be displayed on the large monitor (Enterpise
going to warp, firing of photon torpedos, et. al_). Another assignment
was from Riker, where you had to dock with another ship, and another
from Data, finding a planet with a suitable atmosphere for a ship in
distress. Another monitor let you speak a crew members' name, and it
would call up the crewmember's record via voice recognition.

Also on display were various costumes & props, and staff were dressed
in Federation garb. The gift shop had several Trek posters, cards,
and shirts.

Unfortunately, this was the exhibit's only West coast appearance. If it's
anywhere near your area, you are urged to go see it.

-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: gregory@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Greg Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Q and Guinan(sp?)
Summary: The power of Q and Guinan(sp?)
Keywords: Q, Guinan(sp?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:00:54 GMT
Organization: Boeing


  What is relationship between Q and Guinan(sp?)? It seems that Q never
messes with Guinan whenever he is around. In a previous episode Q says
that he is dreading meeting Guinan and that she is "a dangerous creature."
  Is there some history between these two?

Just wondering,
greg.
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: how can you read the starlog date?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:24:45 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:

> I watched the StarTrek 25th Anniversary Tape last night and on it Leonard
> Nimoy said that STTNG takes place 75 years from the point of STII The Wrath
> of Kahn.

First of all, it's spelled "Khan".

Second, Nimoy's figure can't be right.  Here's how we know:

1. 100 years passed between "Journey to Babel" and "Sarek".  (Sarek's age
   is given in both episodes.)

2. 15 years passed between "Space Seed" and "The Wrath of Khan".  (Kirk
   says so.)

3. "Journey to Babel" and "Space Seed" are both first-season episodes,
   so we can be pretty sure that they're separated by, at most, a few
   months.

4. Therefore, 85 years pass between "Wrath of Khan" and "Sarek".

5. "Sarek" is third-season, and time seems to pass at about one year per
   season, so "Encounter at Farpoint" is probably 83 years after
   "Wrath".  You could maybe make a case for shaving off one or two more
   years, but not ten.  No way is it only 75 years.

Are you *sure* that's what Nimoy said?  I have the special on tape, but,
frankly, I'm too lazy to search a three-hour program for one sentence.

Did he perhaps say that ST:TNG is 75 years after ST VI?  Now that I
could believe.

-- 
Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | Dave Barry for President
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick Singley)
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines (Was Re: What would you do ... ) 
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:40:32 GMT

She IS an empath after all. Maybe she is just a exibitionist wearing tight
dresses. :-)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: ksagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros (Inf4 - hiwi))
Subject: TNG Episode guide wanted
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:57:37 GMT

Hello,

as the subject says I would like an episode guide on TNG mailed to me \:)

Thanks in advance,

Konstantin
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: cwayne@triton.unm.edu (Chris Wayne)
Subject: Re: The Cage and Jeffrey Hunter's demise
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:39:52 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: World

In article <g92n3258.8.714653279@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
>Seriously folks, Jeffrey Hunter died after an accident on a film set, where 
>he suffered a head injury after doing a stunt where an explosion went off 
>prematurely.
>
>He went back to the USA (he was filming in France) with major head aches 
>etc. and died while undergoing surgery to his head.

     What was the name of the film?  Did it ever air?  If not what happened
to it?

-- 
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 cwayne@hydra.unm.edu     |   THIS FILM TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SPACESHIP
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Shatner & Nimoy to be on Arsenio this week
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:45:46 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

>In article <1992Aug25.204701.25632@bnr.ca> woodcock@sdf.lonestar.org writes:
>>This is a public service announcement.  According to a commercial I saw
>>last night, Shatner and Nimoy will appear on arsenio this week.

In article <1992Aug25.221327.26335@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>This Arsenio show, as are all the Arsenio shows this week, is a repeat.

>One more thing, even though it is a repeat, perhaps this was the sort
>of post better placed in current?

Not at all.  The content of the message did not deal with a ST
episode, movie, or book which has appeared in the last four months or
so.  It dealt with two Star Trek actors/directors who are appearing
on a talk show.  Therefore, it actually probably belongs in
rec.arts.startrek.fandom, or in rec.arts.startrek.misc, wherein it
appeared.  In my opinion, of course.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
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                         Space Telescope Science Institute
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From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:07:10 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Aug28.014704.22151@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.040230.16784@adx.adelphi.edu> ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.202832.9190@fripp.ri.cadre.com> rss@gooey.eng-sun w
>>>> I'm stretching it now.  I think Patrick Stewart has done stuff for PBS...
>>>Patrick Stewart had a modest role in I Claudius.
>>I think it was more than a modest role.  He was in at least 3 of the 12
>>installments.
>>Ricky
>
>Darned right it was more than a "modest" role:  he played Sejanus, the head
>of the Praetorian Guard, he had a full head of hair, and he was one bad-ass
>dude.
>
>He had a affair with a female character that would send smoke out of your
>ears (at least it did mine).  In fact, my mother was visiting, and walked
>into the room during one of his scenes with this woman and I blushed beet
>red--not because of what was on the screen, but because of where I was in
>terms of, ah, following the show.
>
>I was a grown up person with children of my own, so I decided that anyone
>who could involve me in the "action" to that degree must be a good actor,
>and I made a note of his name.  Check this out, Stewart fans!

My mind boggles. What were you doing when your Mother dropped in??
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From: DL20@lafibm.lafayette.edu (DL20)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Read this Important Announcement
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:00:44 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol


              *****  Priority Transmission  *****
           *****  Starfleet Emergency Channel  *****
      *****  Photon Tube Maintenance Section Only   *****

Effective this stardate, all Photon Tube Maintenance Personel  are directed
to refrain from loading the Torpedo Tubes with facsimile torpedos which, upon
"Detonation" extrude a flag with the word "Bang" on it.

This practice, while amusing, does little to encourage a belief that the fleet
is a serious organization capable of defending, in a military action, worlds
which are members of the UFP.

Violations of this directive will result in disciplinary action against the
officer(s) involved.  Infractions will result in an immediate grade reduction
to kitchen waste management.

Make it so.
Admiral Beagle
Starfleet Command
Sol System.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Portland's ST "Federation Science" exhibit
From: williamsca@hiramb.bitnet (Curtis Williams)
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:10:30 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: williamsca

[...] description of exhibit removed

> Unfortunately, this was the exhibit's only West coast appearance. If it's
> anywhere near your area, you are urged to go see it.

OMSI is well known in the science center circle for its traveling exhibits.  I
used to work for Laser Fantasy, the company who is responsible for the laser
shows at OMSI.  Those who live in the Pittsburgh area can look forward to the
exhibit at the new Carnegie Science Center sometime in late 1993, early 1994.
(That's how popular the exhibit is.)

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: dead languages
From: yingst@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (JIM YINGST)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:27 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <92246.150851KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes...
>In article <183ajrINN852@agate.berkeley.edu>, jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu
>(Jamey Jacob) says:
>>
>>My memory on this is vague, but does anyone remember an episode
>>where a 20th century language was used that nobody knew, and the
>>Data or someone remarked that it was an old language that died
>>out in the 21st century or so.  It was something common like
>>German or Spanish.  What language was it and what episode?
>>
>One of the early first season episodes had Data make a reference to
>_French_ as a "dead language," and Picard got rather miffed.  Data
>tried to back up his statement with evidence, but Riker told him to
>drop it.  No, I _don't_ remember the name of the episode, or even
>the plot.  Sorry.                     

I'm pretty sure it was one of the earliest episodes, where Tasha was kidnapped
by an African-chieftan-type character, and someone (Data?) said the kidnapping
might be a form of "counting coup".  Data then went on to give an brief
etymology for the term, thereby pissing off Picard and giving me one of the few
good chuckles I got in those early episodes.  Sorry, I don't remember the title,
but at this rate the next poster should. :)

Jim Yingst	yingst@ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: "The Royale" (was Worst TNG episodes)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:05:14 GMT

In article <yRi9PB1w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:

>Well I guess I'm not among the "most r.a.s.ers."  Which could be good.  :)
>Yes, while I'll agree that "The Royale", and "Cost of Living",  were among the
>worst episodes, I did like "Q-pid".  It is, in fact, one of my favorites.  Not
>that there was a really great quality to it, but on the mere fact that it
>was fun.  I think ST needs a little laugh now and then, and "Q-pid" gave
>us that.  Humor has always been a part of ST, otherwise we wouldn't have
>had "The Trouble with Tribbles", or ST:IV.

...and the rollicking slap-fest ST V:The Movie That Was Instantly
Retconned.

>  So every once in a while I pull
>out my tape of "Q-pid", and enjoy it.  Besides I love watching Patrick 
>Stewart fence, and be heroic and all those neat things.  :)   Maybe I'm
>just not as discerning as "most r.a.s.ers".

Since we're all in this boat together, I was thinking about starting a
Q-pid support group for those of that liked the episode.

"Uh...hi.  Uhh..my name's Michael..."

"Hi, Michael!"

"and I just wanted to say that....well, I liked Q-pid."

<roaring cheers of group support>


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: cmadrid@sedona.intel.com (Corrina Madrid)
Subject: one of the best episodes
Originator: cmadrid@sedona
Reply-To: bupham@cmdnfs.intel.com
Organization: AME Group, Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:52:58 GMT


Since there are so many messages regarding what episodes
they thought were the worse, i thought i'd write in with
the episode of TNG that i thought was the best.  I don't
remember the title of the show like most of you do, but
it was the episode where the enterprise blew up at the
beginning and it ended up being they were caught in 
some sort of time loop or circle.  Serious de'ja'vu.  That was an
awesome episode!
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