From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:army
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:16:51 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <Nov20.051647.50312@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.191522.6457@gw.wmich.edu>, 92ali@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> |> In article <1992Nov19.185001.6455@gw.wmich.edu>, x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> |> > In article <1992Nov19.200538.21330@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain) writes:
> |> >> In article 10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
> |> >>>
>                     Stuff deleted
> |> >> 
> |> > 
> |> > It's obvious that army will be back in less than one year.
> |> > But I don't know, wheather that will be better for the country 
> |> > or not. Any comment on the current Pakistan situation.
>         
> 
> |> > 
> |> >Common Shakir....
> |>    Come backcome back in to the real world after all the army is your protector
> |> if india attacks pakitan who will defend...obviusly the army...so don't be
> |> perinoid regarding the army...Pray to ALLAH that what ever is beneficial to
> |> the country occurs...
> |> 
> 
> 
> May be I am wrong and hope that whatever is in my mind is not right. 
> My observation and thinking is that politicians, fuedal lords, and 
> army in Pakistan are protecting the interest of each other.  They
> have set their turns for come and go but in actual they are all busy
> in achieving their targets. Targets, that have nothing to do with
> the prosperity of Pakistan or the well being of Pakistan.  
> 
> I was very embarrased, when I met an army major in Denver last April, he
> was doing his masters in Political Science with major emphasis on
> foreign affairs.  Tell me how on earth army need this kind of an
> education and this kind of training?  And to add more fuel,  he was
> an stinking jamati.  Two worst were together, so pray and pray hard. 
> 
> Has any one seen a politician, a big landlord or a big army general
> (well in army corruption starts right from captain, why jump so
> high) punished in public or even somewhere for wrong doings. Not,
> that I know off.  An army major found spying for India is now a 
> minister, guess who....no one else but major nadir pervaiz.  Some 
> army person can confirm this...btw, my roommate is from Pakistan 
> army and this is his story. Gohar Ayub, person who let his father
> down because of his moral bankruptcy and heard that he is now a
> speaker of National Assembly.  Famous, Ghaus Ali shah is now defence
> minister....I doubt that such a corrupt person was a highcourt judge,
> can't be, but in Pakistan an impossible is possible so I can buy that.
> This name dropping is not going to end so why waste our time and energy
> for these scumb bags.
> 
> Last advice for those who still believe that army is going to safe
> you from India, that, come out of your sweet dreams it will not hurt 
> much.  Those days were long gone when it was capable of something, now
> they are smugglers, god fathers of dacoits, theifs and characterless.
> Just use your brain, these idiots take more than 6o% of our budget 
> and spend on things which we don't need.  Ignorance is one of the
> biggest crime in this world and unfortunately we are all ignorant.
> Every army in the world justify its position by creating its own
> enemy.  Look, what US army has done after world war II. Germany's 
> power was totally crushed and there was no danger from anyone, they
> started a Cold War against Russia, that lastest more than forty years 
> and American nation is now in a debt of trillions.  Situation back
> home is not so different even though the intensity of it is a little 
> less.  One strong argument against building super military power is
> that after keeping our nation poor and uneducated what they want to
> defend??? Look what these generals have done to Wapda, PIA, shaheen
> foundation, Fugi Foundation, Steel Mill.  Instead of having highly
> qualified people at key technical postions, we have third division
> third class stupid generals, academically rejected group of fifties 
> and sixties. The argument behind it is that they are more disciplined,
> dork. More disciplined in what? ,'corruption'. 
> 
> Enough said, I don't want to hit anyone hard and please don't take
> that I am against those noncommission officers.  I am for them and
> will remain with them.  I have great respect for those people as they
> are the real meat.  
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> 
> SOHBAN SHAHID                
> Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
> Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
> Ft. Collins, CO-80523
> 
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> Two army captains were arguing on sex, whether it is pleasure or hard
> labour.  One of them asked his subordinate that what do you think
> about it.  The subordinate replied after some hesitation that he
> doesn't know what it is, but sure that it is not hard labour b'cos
> if it is hard labour then you would have ordered us to do. 


  salam Sohban sahib....
         I think its easy to criticize on many things will sitiing on a nice
warm c   warm chair with beautiful computers and a cup of coffee and some
donuts in hand...

      first line of confrontation would be the army..ok fine some people
      might be corrupt but you can put a black spot on the whole army.....

      I believe politicians wouild be the first one to sell the country for 
      personal interest....So I believ please don't say this on the net...
      since many people read and its not a good thing to say that whole 
      army is corrupt.....and they are spending budget for your saftey..
     and you think tehy will eat those wepons..may be you are wrong..


     Ahmed




     against the infedils.....and many have been martyred...anyway tha
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