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From: nqdy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Reco for Immigration lawyer in Austin, TX area wanted.
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:30:50 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Hi folks,
	I am looking for recommendations for Immigration Lawyers
in Austin / Houston area. Both positive and negative recos. will
be appreciated.
	sanjeev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.american
From: suresh@fred.cis.udel.edu (Swaminathan Sureshchandran)
Subject: Re: Arranged Marriages
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:31:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.171128.9813@usl.edu> sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) writes:
>
>It is disturbing to find that quite a few of the netters who 
>have supported the arranged marriage system, make the following 
>ASSUMPTIONS about those who oppose the system:

>  6. They advocate homosexuality, AIDS etc.
>
>WHY? OH, WHY?
>
>Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.

Beg your pardon, Sir Gopinath, but who would advocate AIDS?! Or is this one 
more example of the (lack of) communication skills of Indians I discussed 
earlier? Or are you implying that people were accusing others of delibera-
tely infecting persons with AIDS? A few cases of this were reported in 
the press, but I didn't see any Indian names!

>
From: uds@surya.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian philosophy and Modern Science.
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:25:01 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <2465@creatures.cs.vt.edu> juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi) writes:
>assertiveness we find in many Indians. I am always surprised at the
>ease with which many Indians can carry two blatantly contradictory ideas
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in their head. Probably every one does it to certain extent but it is
>my perception that Indians can take it to extremes. I think the 

Atleast one example would be enlightening.

Seetamraju, Uday Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

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From: ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Soc.culture.hindi
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:21:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Let us start a new newsgroup

                soc.culture.hindi

I second this idea. (I have couple of personalities, in case you are
wondering) 

We can discuss all about our great language hindi. Recently we have
seen so many postings in SCI which pertain to SC.tamil. We don't want
to go through all these things which are unnecessary to us hindi's.

There are hindi speaking people all over the world, they dont know
about this sci business, and they don't want to read some news group
which is named after some nation.  

We can discuss about Ajit's Phattas in hindi. I have hard time
understanding English or Tamil, me too.

santosh     santosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: Re: Posts on Divorce
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:14:47 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian

I received another mail message some of the "divorce related" postings:-

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From: kuland@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Gita Kulandaiswamy)
Subject: Re: Report: The Ghosts of Marriage Past

Hi,
Just curious. Why are you posting this stuff on s.c.i, most of whose readers are
unlikely to face the situation the articles are talking about ?
Divorce implies an availability of choices (to stay or go ) and I'm sure you kno
w as well as I do that Indian marriages come with no choices.
So, I ask, why ? Not judgmental, simply curious.



ta
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Actually, I do not have a reason for everything I post.  Yes, I posted that 
article. Some, have asked me whether I identify with some of the posts, I post. Maybe, maybe not. No, I don't think the above statement "Indian marriages come with no choices" is neccessarily true.

Also, the stuff about about "readers are unlikely to face the situation the 
articles are talking about". Maybe not personally, but definitely indirectly
at work, through friends and so on. One's personal life does come through at
times at work.

It appears you are going through a "why" phase. Maybe you will get over it. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@coquina.cs.odu.edu (M.P. Krishna Raj)
Subject: SOC.CULTURE.TAMIL discussion for new news group
Originator: raj@coquina.ocean.odu.edu
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:15:58 GMT

For tamils who feel sct unnecessary,


soc.culture.tamil stands for Tamil people all over the world and not
for
soc.culture.tamilnadu.

soc.culture.tamil is not for tamil language . It means tamil people
every where.

Asking someone who is not a citizen of india to post in sci is asking 
pakistani and bangladeshis not to have their own group since their culture
is one and the same before 1947.

soc.culture.tamil is stands for what it is meaning and has no
connotation.

Calling, forming sct is against patriotic indianism has no relevance to
this issue. I believe me and you are equally patriotic.

If you don't know that Jana Gana Mana is written in praise of British
King and part of 5 songs, please understand that it has been taken up
as national anthem for its literary value. 
Indian Tamils participation
in sct does not inflict any thing upon their conscience as Indian.If you feel don't sing 'adinayakka Jaya ho' again. After all you are
telling Jaya Ho to praise the british king. 
If you believe  Bharathiar's songs are truely patriotic then sct which
wiil be discussig about at length will be your right choice
SCI with 100 posting every day simply makes everything difficult. The
argument is same as for the presence misc.news.southasia
. 


Tamils have been spread all over the world from the land masses of the
present indian sub continent. They are Tamils in their body and soul
and cherish the tamilness against so many odds in the distant lands.
They have a chance to share their sentiments sct.

My humble requst if you feel soc.culture.indian is enough for you,
please do not vote against sct. 

If you want to discuss Tiruppavai, Nalayira Divya Prabandham or
Sujataha' novel right place is sct. If you want to, know how people worship in 
south africa singing the tamil verses vote for sci


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:13628 soc.culture.pakistan:6034 soc.culture.sri-lanka:443
From: as6n@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ambar Sarkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Bride wanted: Oops! Caffeine & Political correctness....
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:22:06 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

Sorry about the last post. Blame it on the caffeine!

Anyway, the point:

meaning of _guys_  


3b: PERSON -- used in pl. to refer to the members of a group regardless
     of sex <saw her and the rest of the guys>

So, there is no sexist connotation in the plural, please! This is to
make sure that we _guys_ can talk about various issues without getting
flamed by other _guys_.

However, _guy_ in the singular almost always refers to a male.

BTW, to remain true to the  original subject heading:

Keep the postings coming. I bet about 99%(well, maybe less) of us do
read these. Admit it: (some of)these are fun to read! And better than your
typical "Re:Re:Re: how to save this world using my idea posted in
soc.culture.indian etc. etc." . So there!

Ambar 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:54:36 GMT

In article <MdslsbC00WB4A47nNT@andrew.cmu.edu> sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sudha Neelakantan) writes:
>My $0.02 worth:
>My gripe is that Indian men are really too difficult to date.  They
>have a major attitude problem where women are either idealized
>goddesses or whores
>I see this as a far greater barrier to falling in love and marrying
>someone than anything else.
>This is of course in my limited experience

In my limited experience many Indian  women for the most part are depressing 
creatures. Especially the so called liberated/modern/politically aware/.... 
ones. They frequently expres the most appalling bovine  characteristics.

If one was to merge your experiences with mine it would seem that the tale
of the Indian race is a sorry one. :-)


George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jmm080@sarah.albany.edu (Malde Jayen M)
Subject: Info on visitors visa required ......please help
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 16:54:36 GMT

Hi net gurus,

I know this question must have come on the net a hundred times before. But
I don't usually read the net. So, could anyone kindly give me information
to (any of) the questions posted below. I would appreciate if you could
directly send me an e-mail at "jmm080@eve.albany.edu" (or simply post your
responses directly on the net. If I get interesting replies back, I will
summarize the results on the net.

( T h e 	S c e n e r i o)

My brother has come here on a visitors visa and is likely to get a residency
in Internal Medicine for July 1992. He might be offered an H-1 or a J-1 visa.

( T h e 	q u e s t i o n s)

(1)
Can he convert his visa status from F-1 to H-1 or J-1 without having to go
back to India?

(2)
If so (i.e. he need NOT go back to India), what is the exact procedure for
doing that (i.e. what kind of forms does he have to fill, where can he get
them etc....)?


			Any help appreciated in advance,
					Jayen.
From: lakshmip@plains.NoDak.edu (Chandrasekar Lakshmipathi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Whereabouts of Vishal Khera
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:01:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16766
Distribution: na
Organization: University of North Dakota, Grand Forks, North Dakota

Hi everybody,

    I am looking for a guy called Vishal Khera who graduated from R.E.C. Surat  in 1987. He is from Dheradhun and currently in the U.S. Any news abouth him will be greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: neep@sgi.elec.uq.oz.au (Neep Hazarika)
Subject: Re: Sanskrit is the mother fo all languages ...
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:34:13 GMT

uds@surya.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.135252.304@ncsa.uiuc.edu> podurys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Podury Satyanarayan) writes:
>>prophet:  'prabhat', meaning the coming of dawn.  
>>
>>Jesus:  "isha", meaning God in Sanskrit.  I believe, in Germany, the letter
>>         'J' is pronounced as 'I'.  So, 'Jesus' would be pronounced as
>>
>>Also, is there a word 'brua', or 'bhruva' in Sanskrit?  I believe it
>>means 'language', or some similar meaning.  If it does, then there is
>>another interesting word-derivation.  The word 'hebrew' means 'shiva brua',
>>or 'shiva's language'.  Now, I was told by this philosopher (indian), that


>I was told (authoritatively) that shakespeare was no one other than a brillliant
>south indian brahmin (who shipped himself across the seas to U.K.).

>His actual (uncorrputed - I mean) name is    sheshappa Iyer.


Colonel Gaddhafi claims that Shakespeare was actually Sheikh Zubayir.
-- 


Cheers,                 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: information
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:10:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


> ...  all that we know in this time and age ...

Pray tell how this "time and age" is any different than any other?
          [wishful belief not withstanding]

Knowledge? 	??


---raj
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Police Brutality (Re: Responsibility for communal violence
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:08:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.z15H*59s6
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

When in early eighties (i think it is 1981) roits broke out
in Brixton in London, there was rooghll twelve hour live
telecast of the roiters and the police. The police were
equipped with fibre glass shields, helmets, water cannons,
armourded personnel carriers, and tear gas shells (but no
live ammunition). The roiters (all of them black; the 
roits are called brixton race roits) used malatov cocktails,
crowbars, stones, flying glass and anthing that they could
get hold of. There was arson and looting, and from the
surface it appeared that the roiters anticipated this
eventuality. Police were hurt in spite of their gear
and the roiters too in the malle and in the resulting
use of force. There was blood flowing from the faces
of the police.

The next morinng of the roits the House of Commons held
a debate on the Brixton roits. Speaker after the speaker
condemned the roiters. More importantly, Neil Kinnock,
Dennis Healey, Roy Hettersley, Michael Meacher, Tony
Benn, and Eric Heffer (some of them very prominent
left-wingers) of the labour party stood up and outrightly
condemned the roiters in the parliament and outside.
Interestingly Neil Kinnock made an important point
at that time: that the grievances (real or imaginary) 
have to be aired to the constituent Member of the
Parliament and that member inturn will raise the issue
in the House of Commons. This is the common democratic
ethic that is followed. That there is a strong bond between
an MP and his constituents is an important concept. 

In India, on the other hand, people take to streets first and 
air grievances. In such situations, and when the police are 
less than prepared certain eventualities, police action sometimes 
results in undesirable consequences. That they should occur at all
is partly the lack of training, lack of gear, and political
interference in the professional goals of the police---one
of maintaining law and order to the letter and spirit
of the law.

There is also another sad aspect to indian political life. 
When people agitate on streets, we have tons and tons
of political intellectuals (bankrupt) who are prepared
to condone adn encourage the actions of roiters.
...kt
From: auriex@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: F-1 VISA  FROM CANADA/MEXICO ??
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:09:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: auriex@raphael.acpub.duke.edu

I am posting this for a friend of mine. If you have any experience or
 information about it, please reply to my account. THANKS VERY MUCH. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------

INQUIRY RE: STUDENT VISA

I am a graduate student and seek to obtain information regarding
visa approval processes from Canada or Mexico based on the
following facts:

-    Graduation date: May 17, 1992
-    F-1 visa expiry date: May 31, 1992
-    Latest expected date for receipt of 1-yr practical training
     permit (not H-1 visa): May 20, 1992
-    Job start date: September 1, 1992

I intend to be out of the U.S. from June 1, 1992 to August 15,
1992.  However, the F-1 multiple entry visa expires on May 31. 
Thus, to re-enter the U.S. I need to obtain an F-1 visa from a
U.S. consular office located in a country other than the U.S. 

1.   Which U.S. consulate office do you recommend in Canada or
     Mexico?
2.   What documents do I need to obtain the visa ?
3.   If I do not obtain the multiple-entry visa, is it possible
     to re-enter the U.S.?  If so, by what date?
4.   Have the new immigration laws had any effect on extension of
     F-1 status based on the 1 yr practical training permit? 

                       THANKS !!

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From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Puthukavithai
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:07:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University



I read the Thiruppaavai recently and was inspired - so I produced this piece
of nonsense verse. Hope u like it. 

---------------------------------------------------------
              Thirueppampaavai
              ****************


Kaarththigai thingaL pasi niRaintha NannaLiL
Oorththirinthu sinima onRaiyum
paarththu Nanum veedu thirumbinen
korththa kaiyudan annaiyai Nokki
"paarththaiya en pasi vadi mugaththai
Naarththangaaiyudan mor saatham kodu" ena
"Theerththu vittanar iruntha soRellam
serththu uNthan thambiyum thangaiyum" enRaL
sorththa mugaththudan "peipiNikku veRum
Naarththangaiya?" enRu Nanum vinava
paarththaL ennai parithabam kondu
koorththa aRivai koNda en thaikku
poorththathu mugaththil punnagai minnalaai
"kaarththiru thOsai seigiren" enRaL
vaarththa thosaiyai vaiyiRara thinRu
theerththamum arunthip padukkach chenRen
porththik koNdu thoongum munnal
keerththanamaai vittathu eppame enthanvaai

Gopu
rgopu@cs.tamu.edu
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From: axs2776@usl.edu (Subramanyam Arunkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: movies not improving!!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:58:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr17.025805.26368
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Hi There,

I think Lahme was a different movie in the recent streotyped ones.
The movie was quite powerful in many aspects and perhaps we may not
expect such a movie to come for some more time.

The theme was different. We have seen umpteen love stories and triangles
yet Lahme stands aloof. Photography was splendid. The locations chosen
were good. Though sometimes the movie was slow, yet the director hasn`t
lost his grip over the audience.

Every actor has done a great job for their roles. Ofcourse, Anupam Kher`s
clown-type acting looks strange sometimes, but his role too was good.
Anil Kapoor has changed for better, never expected him to give such a
serious acting. Perhaps Sridevi was the best choice for the 2 roles.
The way she has expressed some of the subtle emotions, no one else could`ve
done a better justice. Even Waheeda Rahman has given a superb performance.
What more do U expect friend ? Show me one more movie that can have an
impact on U like Lahme and I`ll watch it !

The most important point in the movie is the life of Rajasthan. It`s 
different. Only those of us who`ve been there can enjoy that part of the
movie better. And after seeing the movie, visit Rajasthan to feel it.

Ofcourse, it looked strange sometimes that people were flying between
London and Rajasthan like nobody`s business, U got to take it easy.
Otherwise the movie was fabulous.

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From: rxh9306@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Part 7 : Who Created the Tigers (LTTE) ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:26:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology




Who Created the Tigers (LTTE) ?                        (Part 7)


Successive Sri Lankan Governments did !


Here is how:

There is no dispute amongst historians that a Tamil nation (in the
North and East of the island) and a Sinhala nation (in the South
and West) existed in the form of separate kingdoms for more than
two thousand years.............  Before the British conquered and
merged the Sinhala and Tamil nations into a single country called
'Ceylon' in 1833, the Tamil and Sinhala communities were ruled by
different Kings as two separate independent nations.........

One of the most vicious forms of oppression of Tamils by successive
Sri Lankan Governments is the destruction of this national identity
of the Tamil population through government sponsored aggressive
Colonization Schemes in the form of

(a)  settling Sinhalese from the South, in the North and East, the
traditional Tamil homelands. [The Sinhala settlers are provided
with financial assistance as well as housing, land and irrigation
facilities for farming]

(b)  forced acquisition of private lands owned by Tamils and vacant
lands in the North and East by declaring them as archeological or
sacred sites of Buddhist and Sinhalese culture.

(c)  division of provinces into districts and the merger of Tamil
districts in the North and East with the Sinhala districts in the
border provinces and the creation of new Sinhala districts in the
North and East.

..............These government sponsored colonization schemes
include Gal Oya and Maduru Oya developments in Batticaloa district;
Allai, Kanthalai and Yan Oya projects in the Trincomalee districts;
and the Mahaweli Development Scheme which is designed to connect
the Sinhalese colonies in the Eastern province with their
counterparts in the North.  In the Gal Oya scheme alone, there are
38 new Sinhalese colonies created within the last 40
years...........

...............The proportion of Tamil speaking people (in the
traditional Tamil homelands in the Eastern Province) has been
reduced from 88% in 1946 to 75% in 1981, while the Sinhalese
population more than doubled from 12% in 1946 to 25% in 1981.  The
recent unofficial figures indicate that the current proportion of
the Sinhala population in the Eastern region is continuing to
increase.



(Dr. E.A. Selvanathan, Proceedings of the International Tamil Eelam
Research Conference 1991,  California State University, Sacramento,
California, U.S.A., July 19 - 21, 1991)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdatta@hefalump.eng.clemson.edu (Sandip Datta)
Subject: Re: SATYAJIT ROY...GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT
Reply-To: sdatta@hefalump.UUCP (Sandip Datta)
Organization: Clemson University Engineering Department
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:46:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.211658.27437@irvine.dg.com> swagata@IRVINE.DG.COM (swagata majumdar) writes:
>Rohini Hattangadi did receive the OSCAR for costume design in
>Gandhi. (not for best actress). If you remember, Gandhi got
>a total of 7(?) OSCARS.

	NO SHE DID NOT.!!!!!!!!! BHANU ATHAIYA(sp!) got it for costume
design in GANDHI.  
			CIAO        sandip



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