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From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Subject: Re: "Ich armes welsches Teufli", was: Looking for German lyrics of "Die Gedanken Sind Frei"
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:01:26 GMT

In <1992Dec19.000237.22505@chpc.utexas.edu> michael@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke) writes:

>As we are at it:  Can someone give me the lyrics for the 
>canon `Ich armes welsches Teufli'?

Ich armes welsches Teufli bin muede vom Marschieren,
marschier'n, bin muede vom Marschier'n.
Ich hab' verlor'n mein Pfeifli aus meinem Mantelsack,
Mantelsack, aus meinem Mantelsack.
Macht nichts, ich hab's gefunden, was du verloren hast,
'loren hast, was Du verloren hast.

May be, that there are more verses. But if you like canons here is one more
and the melody too (in C :-) - sing it like a pompous choral:

c G A G CCCC |   Die Men-schen sind schlecht!     Ego sum pau-per
c B c d eee      Je-der denkt an sich,            Ni-hil ha-be-o
e | d c B cccc   Nur ich denk' an mich!           et ni-hil da-bo.

Merry Christmas -- Werner
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From: rblackma@nyx.cs.du.edu (robert blackman)
Subject: Victory Music
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:57:43 GMT


In answer to Daniel Rosenblum's inquiry...Victory Music is a 22-year-old
non-profit, all-volunteer music co-operative in Washington state.  They
publish a monthly magazine called Victory Review with a lot of info
about Washington folk happenings (and national ones too), they sponosr
concerts and other events, and have released at least 3or 4 CDs and tapes
of area musicians.
One of these is "Victory Sings at Sea," a 19-track CD of shanties and
songs ranging from mostly trad stuff to a few by Stan Rogers, Andy M.
Stewart, and Cyril Tawney.  This is available for $11.50 for the CD or
$9.50 for a cassette from Victory Music, PO Box 7515, Bonney Lake, WA
98390, telephone 206-863-6617.
They also have a CD by Linda Allen and two more samplers.  (The Sea
album is a sampler -- that is, lots of different singers from NW USA.)
I'm not associated with them, but they've sent me this disc for my radio
show and some info about themselves, from which I've gleaned the above.
-- Bob Blackman, WKAR Radio, East Lansing, MI

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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Undisputed Masters
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:44:11 GMT


In article <1992Dec28.211753.965@oracorp.com>, mark@oracorp.com (Mark Bickford) writes...

>Alisdair Frazier (sp?)	Scottish Fiddle

For Scottish Fiddle I would suggest Aly Bain from Shetland

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From: Marcie Becker <becker@osf.org>
Subject: new year's eve
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76630A64C06082E@alimac36.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:43:18 GMT
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:37:40 GMT

Does anyone know of a New Years happening with folk music in the Boston
area? Contra dance also would be interesting. Looking for something where
a person can go solo and be a part of something.

Thanks.
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From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: UK CD price fixing
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:32:11 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1993Jan3.103122.3745@rdg.dec.com>, cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
> Sounds like your being ripped off then. The absolute top price I was
> paying for UK Exported CDs was $14, with many being cheaper than that.
> This was in Mass.

It depends what you're talking about.  Is it safe to assume that there weren't
any disks priced higher just because the top price you paid was $14?  :-)

In Boston, folk imports can run anywhere from $12 to $22 depending on the store
and the label.  Topic imports seem to run between $14 and $17.  UK blues
records seem to demand the top prices.  Shanachie reissues of Topic releases
tend to run at $14.

Here in Boston we're blessed with cut-throat price wars with all of the major
players (Tower, HMV, the Coop) honoring (even second tier) competitor's
coupons, which are have been $3 off ($11.99 or greater regular price) since
November.  HMV's holiday present was a $4 off coupon ($9.99 regular!).  And
there's no limit.  Yesterday I picked up 8 CD's and got $3 off each--after
shopping around for the cheapest regular price ($11.99).
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From: feldstei@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ronald F. Feldstein)
Subject: Re: Folk music from Israel
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:14:15 GMT

The word "korovushka," near the end of the previous message, should
read Korobushka.  It's supposed to be a little box, not a little cow.


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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Laura Nyro
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 21 DEC 92 13:54:04    


In article <1992Dec21.063729.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, stegner_g@cubldr.colorado.edu writes...
>Columbia has been real good at just releasing her albums and not following up
>with promotion and support, too.  A lot of people around her feel she needs to
>"get the word out" and get beyond "the cult" that is her current following. 
>At least one person close to her feels that this upcoming album might just do
>the trick.
> 

Let's face it, labels only promote stuff they think they can sell.  That
usually ties in with the artist being willing to tour, do videos, etc.  Laura's
lack of interst in the music business amkes it tough to get a label behind her,
they figure she will sell her usual number of records to her fans, be a decent
catalog item over the years and that's it.  She certainly doesn't fit any "hot"
niche that a label is going to drool over.  

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From: Hugo_Jackson@mindlink.bc.ca (Hugo Jackson)
Subject: re: "I come & stand at every door" Pete Seeger
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:07:16 GMT

I Come and Stand at Every Door was recorded by Pete Seeger on Columbia album
"I Can See A New Day".

Here are the liner notes:

The great Turkish national poet, Nazim Kikmet, worte these stirring lines as
a memorial to Hiroshima (destroyed by the first atomic bomb toward the end of
World War II). Pete adapated a tune written by a former Harvard student as a
musical setting for the traditional ballad "The Great Silke" (Child 113)
Nazim Hikmet's fervent plea for peace begins thus:

I come and stand at every door but none can hear my silent tread
I knowk and yet remain unseen, for I am dead, for I am dead


AS A SIDE ISSUE:
Does anyone know if Columbia will be reissuing the great Seeger LP's on CD?
I'd pay serious cash dollars to get "I Can See A New Day" and "Oh Freedom" on
CD.
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From: Mike_Cahill@macbeth.bellcore.com (Mike Cahill)
Subject: 12/27 NPR broadcast - ***TONES?
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 19:40:24 GMT

Does anybody know the name of the band who was featured live on NPR 
yesterday?  The broadcast was out of W Va.  The music was sort of
"reggae-motown-country".  The group's name is the linktones, or cliftones,
or something like that.

Kind-hearted respondants, please mail instead of post.
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From: stegner_g@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Laura Nyro
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.185904.12853@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:

> Let's face it, labels only promote stuff they think they can sell.  That
> usually ties in with the artist being willing to tour, do videos, etc.  Laura's
> lack of interst in the music business amkes it tough to get a label behind her,
> they figure she will sell her usual number of records to her fans, be a decent
> catalog item over the years and that's it.  She certainly doesn't fit any "hot"
> niche that a label is going to drool over.  
> 
> 					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

I couldn't agree more.  All of your points are on target.  As her album cover
designer sometimes says, "Laura's just not willing to bite the bullet."  I
guess there's a subtle balance of compromise that Laura's trying to achieve
between upping her popularity and going all-out commercial (which would spoil
her image).  Yet there is a commerical link there which she could use to good
purposes - the pop stuff she wrote early on that got covered by 5th Dimension,
et al.  She could be as highly recognized for those tunes as John Phillips was
for "the most popular song of 1987 - California Dreaming."

Although she's been off the scene for most of the 80's, she is in touring mode
these days, and as for videos, she did in fact have one played on VH1 - but it
wasn't a video in the conventional sense, it was just a video of her
performing solo.  I can't picture Nyro doing a video with slick, high-speed
editing and all that stuff.  It would be very embarrassing.  Videos in general
tend to be embarrassing, but this is my opinion.

But getting back to the main point - Yes, her relationship with the music
business will only go as far as she is willing to go.  And I think she's more
concerned with relaying her message her own way.  And... it's not so bad, why
are we whining?  She's a survivor...  She's more active on the music scene than
Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, or Janis Joplin these days.


Keeper of the Chinese Lamp

(...milk, tobacco, soap, and matches...)
stegner_g@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: June Tabor query
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:26:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

In article <BzIoKG.I87@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us> morel@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Mike Smerza) writes:
|In article <1992Dec18.210359.540@hnrc.tufts.edu> jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
|>Would someone familiar with June Tabor's discography tell me if I'm likely
|>to enjoy her 1980 Topic recording with Martin Simpson?  (It's been rereleased
|>on CD).  I liked Airs and Graces, was lukewarm about Ashes and Diamonds and
|>didn't care at all for Abyssinians or Aqaba.
|>
|Yes!  While I'd say my feelings about Ashes and Diamonds are stronger than
|lukewarm, I seem to match your tase in June Tabor material farily closely,
|and her album with Martin Simpson is probably my favorite of them all.  I'd
|highly recommend it.  Another favorite of mine, which may be impossible to
|find these days is a 12" EP (45rmp) with 4 songs by June done live on the
|air for the John Peel Show on Raido One.  On it are Lord Bateman, The Banks
|of the Sweet Dundee (and are my favorite two on the disk), Joni Mitchell's
|The Fiddle and the Drum, and Donal Og.  All 4 are done a capella. (Oh, and
|for you who insist on full information, it's on Strange Fruit records
|SFPS015.)

The 4-song BBC recording is indeed a gem.  I was able
to find it here about a year ago at Down Home Records.

Pretty sure it was 33 rpm, one side though.

I think I posted a couple days ago that I wasn't too
impressed with the Simpson/Tabor recording... since then I
gave it another listen, and there is some really excellent
material on it. 

(And some that's considerably less than excellent....
I guess that's why CD players are programmable!)

Steve
From: tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Laura Nyro
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 08:24:30 PST
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

stegner_g@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

> - and as for videos, she did in fact have one played on VH1 - but it
> wasn't a video in the conventional sense, it was just a video of her
> performing solo.  I can't picture Nyro doing a video with slick,
> high-speed editing and all that stuff.  It would be very embarrassing.
> Videos in general tend to be embarrassing, but this is my opinion.

I am perhaps showing my age, but I have never understood the attraction
of those quick-cut rapid-fire extravaganzas which incessantly violate
the first principle of any type of photography, that it should allow
access.  I know the editing is a figleaf to hide the inability of pop
stars to dance like Paula, which talent seems to be the most important
attribute of MTV, but the result is actual motion sickness.

Bring back the langorous pensive incisive concert film!

...and Laura Nyro.




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From: selliott@cup.portal.com (J Steve Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: New Joni Mitchell fan wants your help
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:32:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I know this does not qualify as "folk" music, but I would have to 
recommend "Hissing of Summer Lawns" as the best album Joni Mitchell
put out. It was release after "Court & Spark" so it in more in her
jazz genre. I remember when I first got it, I said I wish she'd put
out more albums like "Blue", but after listening to it for a few days,
I was hooked. Of all her albums, it is one of the few I still listen
to on a regular basis.

In general, I think _anything_ by her is worth buying site unheard :-)
"Ladies of the Canyon" and "Blue" are required listening. "Mingus" might
be a little too inaccessable for most people to get into.

Steve Elliott
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From: ccshf@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Henry Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Locrian mode? (was: Re: Modes)
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:53:07 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


I remember a singer in the seventies singing a song in locrian that
ha had written as a challenge because it is so rare. Sorry, but I
can remember neither song title or singer, but I can rember that I
liked the song.
Henry Ford
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From: debbie.gillespie@rose.com (debbie gillespie)
Subject: CHIEFTAINS DISCOGRAPY
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:18:18 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-30-92 14:15
 In article <1992Dec2.151820.21502@emr1.emr.ca>
Steve Halchuk writes:

If anyone has (or knows the whereabouts of) a Chieftains discography,
I would greatly appreciate any information.

I have two which are quite good.

Chieftains 4, and
Balad Of An Irish Horse
Also I have the Christmas one as well,
The Bells Of Dublin

Debbie

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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Source of "Mr. Fox's Garden"?
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:56:21 GMT

In article <1hqfhaINNaue@shelley.u.washington.edu>, peekstok@stein.u.washington.edu (Anna Peekstok) writes:
>Can anyone enlighten me as to the origin or source of the eerie "Little
>Sir Hugh"-type song that is called "Mr. Fox's Garden"?
>
>It's about a girl named Mary who chases her golden ball into Mr. Fox's
>garden, where she is imprisoned as a servant by Mr. Fox, who has one red
>eye. He forbids her to go into a certain room, so of course she does, and
>sees there a sword and her golden ball. The ending is ambiguous; Mr. Fox
>jumps out at her, but the song ends before we find out what happens.

Is that the one with the chorus that starts "The wall is high", with a
big scary one-octave leap before the word "high"?  If so, it's performed
by Frankie Armstrong, and possibly written by her as well, and I think
it's on the "I Heard A Woman Singing" album.

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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The Great Selkie of Sule Skerrie
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:02:47 GMT
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Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

This is from memory so forgive the mistakes. It's a simple and odd
and haunting story. A Silkie is a seal....


An earthly nourris* sits and sings        [*nurse]
And aye,she sings, Ba-lily wean           
Little ken* I my bairn's* father          [know or understand, child's]
Far less the land that he saps in*        [comes from]

Then in steps he to her bed fit
And a grumly* guest I'm sure was he       [fine, I think]
Saying "Here am I thy bairn's father
Although I be not comely*"                   [attractive]

I am a man upon the land
And aye a silkie on the sea
And when I'm far and far from land
My home it is in Skule Skerrie

And he has taken a purse of gold
And he has put it upon her knee
Saying "Give to me my own little son,
And take thee up thy nourris fee"

"And it shall come to pass on a summer's day
When the sun shines hot on every stone
That I shall take my little young son,
And teach him how to swim the foam.

And thou shall marry a gunner* proud            [Harpoon-man]
And an aye proud gunner I'm sure 'twill be
And the very first shot that ere he shoots
Will kill both my young son and me."


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From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Undisputed Masters
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:10:16 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

mark@oracorp.com (Mark Bickford) writes:
>
>I was listening to a tape of Matt Malloy in my car the other day,
>and was overwhelmed as usual. I started wondering how many other
>musicians could be as universally respected as the master of
>his/her instrument in his/her musical genre as Matt Malloy is
>for Irish music on the flute. I thought this question might make
>a good topic for more lists (which we seem to love).
>
>Here's what I thought of as I was driving:
>
>Matt Malloy		Irish flute
>Noel Hill		Irish Anglo-Concertina
>Kenny Baker		Bluegrass Fiddle
>Clifton Chenier		Zydeco Piano-Accordion
>Alisdair Frazier (sp?)	Scottish Fiddle
>Mary Bergin		Irish Tin Whistle
>
>I might pick: Liz Carroll	Irish Fiddle
>but does she really qualify?

Absolutely. I'de add Martin Hayes and Kevin Burke to Irish fiddle.

How 'bout Doc Watson for flat-picked guitar?

Malcolm Dalglish for Hammered Dulcimer?

Jimmy Keane for Irish piano-accordion.

Derek Bell perhaps for Irish Harp.

Chet Atkins for many differnt styles on guitar?
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: Where could I find (Re: Celtic Music)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:11:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.102829.3549@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan2.194314.20595@eskimo.com>, feathers@eskimo.com (Cheryl) writes...
>>   William, congratulations on discovering Celtic music!   Isn't it
>>wonderfully evocative?
>>   One of my all-time favourite Celtic groups is Planxty.  They have
>>several CDs out, but the first one I would recommend getting is The Well
>>Below The Valley.
>>   Have you listened to any traditional Celtic harp music yet?  Patrick
>>Ball playing the Celtic harp is the closest thing to divine I've ever
>>heard here on earth.  If you're stuck in a migraine-inducing traffic
>
>If you're interested in Celtic harp music, specifically the Scottish Clarsach,
>I would highly recommend the female Scottish duo "Sileas", pronounced "Sheelis".
>They are one of my favourite bands. Their stuff is available on Greet Linnet
>I believe.
>
>Craig

This message is perhaps targeted to the readers in the U.S. (but please,
feel free to reply, I am not biased against any other countries :-)

I as wondering if there is a special mail order company that is dedicated
(or just targeted toward) to the distribution of Folk music, etc.  I am
having a heck of a time trying to locate any.  I've tried large chains
like Sam Goodies, Music+, Tower Records, and some local, independent
chains/stores, and I am unable to find any titles by artists recommanded
by the various posters.  This is discouraging, and I am starting to wear
out Joni Mitchell's _Clouds_ (if it's possible to wear out a CD :-)

I am a subscriber to BMG, and they don't have it.  And I don't think
I want to fall into the trap of CBS/Columbia/Sony, I would prefer
just a mail order firm, instead of some membership deal.

Thanks in advance.

P.S.  I am intrigued by this Celtic Harp music, sound definitely like
something I'll love (as sson as I find some, I'll let you know :-)

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Jimmy


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