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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:32:52 GMT

In article <BzHw19.2IC@me.utoronto.ca> rio@me.utoronto.ca (Oscar del Rio) writes:
>desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>
>>NO !!!!  It's absolutely right !!!!!!
>>I have the entire article in front of me !!!!
>
>>It's TRUE !!
>
>>PS: I never joke with that kind of things...
>
>Can someone please explain what's going on?
>Is it that the USE of Speed Glue is now illegal, or 
>is it just that you cannot reglue in the playing area????
>Some time ago I read an article in the Butterfly World Report
>that said that they were studying how bad is this glue for your
>health... And I think in Barcelona or the past Champs in Chiba
>they didn't allow players to glue in the arena...
>
>Lyne, could you post the article or a summary of it, pleeeease?
>I cannot believe this yet!  Why would they do such a STUPID thing?

Yes, could somebody please post the article!

>
>Aaarrrrgghhhh!!!!  Without the glue I'm dead!

No problem Oscar - just use a faster blade! ;)

>
>Oscar

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From: rayl@phred.UUCP (Raymond Lock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Test
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:24:06 GMT
Reply-To: rayl@phred.UUCP
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physio-Control

This is a test.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim)
Subject: List of FAQ's Coming Soon
Reply-To: wlim@gdstech.grumman.com, buttal@crsa.bu.edu
Organization: Grumman Corporation, Bethpage, New York, USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:44:55 GMT

[This is a resend.  The previous posting had an erroneous Subject
heading (RE: Speed of Rubber).   Sorry.   ---Willie]

Nelson Chin and I are compiling a list of frequently asked questions
(FAQ's) for rec.sport.table-tennis.  Here are the topics:

USTTA Rules               (Willie Lim & Bob Neidorff)
Equipment Suppliers       (Nelson Chin)
toll-free#s, L-NITT       (Nelson Chin)
HOW to become an UMPIRE   (Nelson Chin)

If you want to help out, please email to *both* of the following email
addresses (since I'll be away for the Christmas holidays; Happy
Holidays everybody!):

   wlim@gdstech.grumman.com, buttal@crsa.bu.edu

(Note: The Reply-To field of this message is set to the above pair of
addresses.)

Please include the topic/faq you want to submit to the list of faq's.
Here are some *SAMPLE* topics:

	 Gluing
	 Re-gluing (Banned?)
	 How to handle strong top spin
	 The USTTA Rating System
	 etc.


Willie
From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Press Release on glue (banned!)
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:27:43 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hello !

Here's the official fax I received earlier this week :
*********************************************************

December 16,1992.

                     PRESS RELEASE STATEMENT

The ITTF Executive Board, at its meeting at Manchester on 14th of
December 1992, received reports from scientific experts in toxicology
and chemistry on the harmful effects of the Aromatic and Chlorinated solvents
used in some types of rubber adhesivs. On the basis of these reports it was 
agreed unanimously to recommend the Executive Commitee to take urgent action
to prevent the use of such adhesives by Table Tennis Players. The executive
Commitee accepted this recommendation and decided :

1. To impose an immediate ban in events directly under ITTF control,
   such as the Global Youth Championships in Tokyo in January 1993 and
   the World Championships in Gothnburg in May 1993; and

2. to ask Continental and National Federations and organisers of international
   competitions to enforce a similar ban in events under their control from
 1st January 1993.

Any person, e.g. player, coach, official, responsible for contravening
this rule will be liable to immediate disqualification and suspension
for at least 3 months. Where it is necessary for rubbers to be replaced
during a competition it must be done in a designated place, under the
supervision of an official and using an adhesive supplied by the organiser.

Manufacturers and suppliers are asked to discontinue marketing of
adhesive containing Aromatic and Chlorinated solvents, and to ensure that
their products are clearly marked with the ingredients.

Players and coaches are asked to cooperate in ensuring that the ban
is observed.

Manchester, December 15th, 1992.

Signed

Ichiro Ogimura, President.

************************************************************

Lyne

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From: mirsip@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Ivan Popstefanija)
Subject: Re: Glue and regluing techniques
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:35:14 GMT


If this message leaks to the world, my apology! I changed the
distribution to "ne", but it may not work:-(

Anyways... I want to know if there is a table tennis club around
Amherst, Massachusetts area. Does UMASS have a club? I will appreciate
your pointer very much.

Also, in case there is not one, I am interested in starting one. So if
you are interested, please drop me a note at liu@alex.ecs.umass.edu.

I will be gone for the winter break, so catch me or miss!

Good day!


Liu
liu@alex.ecs.umass.edu
From: heller@luna.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Backside of penholder bat usable?
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:08:37
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: luna.think.com
In-reply-to: asengupt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:22:36 GMT

In article <Bz899o.L06@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> asengupt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Arijit Sengupta) writes:

   In article <Bz7wCz.ArB@sidc.com> soo@sidc.com writes:
   >
   >Does anybody playing the penholding style actually uses the backside of the
   >bat for offense/defense?  If so, how?
   >

   <snip>
   Never seen anyone using wooden backside (no rubbers) use the
   other side though. I guess it is considered to be illegal also.

A few years ago, it was not illegal to use the bare wood.  Pen players used
it mainly to return heavy spin.  The spin was simply handed back to the
spinner, especially on serves and loops.

-steve   (steve heller --- heller@Think.COM)
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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: World Doubles Cup/US Nationals
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:36:26 GMT

Could somebody please post some results to the US Nationals and the
World Doubles Cup that's happening this weekend in Las Vegas,US?

Thanks!                                                     

-Alex
 (couldnt make it to Las Vegas due to final exams UGH.)

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From: rio@me.utoronto.ca (Oscar del Rio)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:12:44 GMT

desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:

>NO !!!!  It's absolutely right !!!!!!
>I have the entire article in front of me !!!!

>It's TRUE !!

>PS: I never joke with that kind of things...

Can someone please explain what's going on?
Is it that the USE of Speed Glue is now illegal, or 
is it just that you cannot reglue in the playing area????
Some time ago I read an article in the Butterfly World Report
that said that they were studying how bad is this glue for your
health... And I think in Barcelona or the past Champs in Chiba
they didn't allow players to glue in the arena...

Lyne, could you post the article or a summary of it, pleeeease?
I cannot believe this yet!  Why would they do such a STUPID thing?

Aaarrrrgghhhh!!!!  Without the glue I'm dead!

Oscar
From: heller@luna.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Ping pong professionals
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:58:12 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: luna.think.com


Does any one know the number of people who are professional ping pong
players in the US?  Other countries?  By professional I mean people who
earn their livelihood playing, teaching, and participating in other
activities related to the game, not just people who can win tourney $$.

-steve
From: nehs@romulus.rutgers.edu (-Killer Klondike-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Clubs in North and Central NJ
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:15:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Does anyone know of any clubs in North and Central NJ?
I know of the NJTTC in Westfield, PUTTC in Princeton, and Monroe TTC in 
Monroe.  Phone numbers and addresses of other clubs would be
greatly appreciated.

-Benjamin Y. Shen-
Rutgers University Table Tennis Club
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Places to Play in Boca/Ft Lauderdale, FL?
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:49:44 GMT

Anyone know of places to play table tennis in Boca Raton and/or Fort
Lauderdale, FL? Thanks.

-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
The Columbia River is now the most radioactive river in the world.

This environmental/nuclear nightmare, one of a series, brought to you
courtesy of General ("We Bring Good Things to Life") Electric.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Xu/Cheng`
Keywords: doubles
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:39:26 GMT

In article <1gql5pINN7ag@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu> moots@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (Joel Adam Moots) writes:
>i was watching the Xu/Cheng (i forget whom they were playing--Zhuang/Chen? maybe) double match last night (1:00 am here, you know how TT gets such prime time
> coverage :-)) on ESPN, and they lost the first game, won the second, and
> lost the last.
>

ESPN? I thought that the USTTA wanted to broadcast through Prime Sports!
When did ESPN pick up Table tennis again?

-Alex
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From: jaz29707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dale Cooper FBI )
Subject: Info on Jim Butler--American in Sweeden
		Thanks,
			jaz29707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:00:19 GMT

			-also give me a rundown of the club leagues
			over there.  I can't find any info.
		
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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Ball Ratings (Repost) (Survey)
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:18:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.210546.26514@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>In article <seub281@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>>I never  received an answer the first time I posted this.
>>
>>What do the number of stars stand for on  a TT  ball?  I know  its
>>rating of some sort.  
>>
>>Which ones do they use in tournaments?
>>
>>What is your personal favorite?
>>
>>(go ahead and post the answers for everyone to read.  emails are fine, tho)
>>
>>Tim.
>
>Best balls in the world are NITTAKU Balls (3*** stars) of course...
>I specially like orange ones...

Ill second that vote! Nothing compares to Nittaku.


>
>My opinion.
>
>Lyne
>
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         \\\      RFD, CFV, and vote-taker for rec.sport.table-tennis
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From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Ball Ratings (Repost) (Survey)
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:05:46 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <seub281@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>I never  received an answer the first time I posted this.
>
>What do the number of stars stand for on  a TT  ball?  I know  its
>rating of some sort.  
>
>Which ones do they use in tournaments?
>
>What is your personal favorite?
>
>(go ahead and post the answers for everyone to read.  emails are fine, tho)
>
>Tim.

Best balls in the world are NITTAKU Balls (3*** stars) of course...
I specially like orange ones...

My opinion.

Lyne

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From: ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Annette C. Hollmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: How to handle strong top spin ?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 04:06:03 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <Bz1zo2.K1p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.160223.19919@u.washington.edu> nguyenk@stein.u.washington.edu (hee hee) writes:
>
>>I have one additional opinion, just an opinion, you know. How about 
>>changing the rubber of your racket :-), use something like "anti-spin
>>rubber", most of the rubbers have much less speed than conventional ones
>>which makes it easier for defense play.
>
>I was wondering why many (if not most) of the top players use Anti on
>one side - then I realized that these people have to face topspin stronger
>than any we're ever likely to encounter 9-)
>
Are there any ultra-light rackets that come with anti-spin rubber? I need
to replace my ancient racket but have trouble finding something to suit my
weird style. I have to use a very light racket that allows me to feel
 where the ball will go, and I hate bumpy rackets because I can't get much
precision with them. Most of my opponents topspin like mad, so I need
something with ultimate control. I am mainly a defensive player , and when
I nail someone it is usually by position and not by power (my favorite 2
returns are 1 inch behind the net or 0.5 inch from the far corner,
depending on where the opponent is not located ;-).

Does anyone have a suggestion for the perfect racket and where to get it?

Thanks 

Annette
ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu

P.S. are there other visually impaired table tennis players out there? I'd
like to swap ideas on how to overcome blurry opponents and total lack of depth
perception
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From: brad@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Brad Ritter)
Subject: Wood shots
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:06:23 GMT

I'm interested in the question of "wood shots" in a small and different way.

I use a bat that I believe is called an "Alser".  It has a flared handle
getting fairly wide and thick at the base.  I have been know about one a 
match to use a serve struck with the butt end of the handle.  Seems like
it would be a rather easy serve to attack right?  The shock effect is what
makes it work.  People usually return the serve nice and slow and high.
Ready to be picked off.

I have always considered it to be a very legal serve as I believe I can
hit the ball with anything from the wrist on down of my bat hand.

Any comments?

Brad Ritter



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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Are FAST glue really fast?
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:04:00 GMT

In article <HELLER.92Dec15004541@luna.think.com> heller@luna.think.com (Steve Heller) writes:
>I have a slightly different question.  Don't slower rubbers offer more
>control and opportunity for spin while faster rubbers obviously offer
>speed?  Aren't these exclusive?
>
>-steve  (steve heller --- heller@think.com)

Well, IMO - Butterfly Sriver is both faster and spinnier than their 
Allround. And their Allround is faster and spinnier than their 
super-anti.
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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: ITTF RULES 4
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec.sport.table-tennis
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:12:53

Hello!

I'm posting a summary of the international TT rules. Please do not
follow up on this article. If you have any questions on the rules
please e-mail me and I'll post an answer to this newsgroup.

Rules:

	There is nothing in the rules that would unable you to
	hold the racket with both hands. If you hold the racket
	in both hands both hands would be regarded as rackethands.
	However as soon as you let go of thye racket with one hand
	that hand would be regarded as the free hand.

	If the ball hits the egde of the table it should be regarded
	as hitting the table. If it hits the side of the table the ball
	is out.

	A player shall lose a point if he or anything he wears or carries
	moves the playing surface.

	A player shall lose a point if he or anything he wears or carries
	Touches the net assembly.

	A player shall lose a point if his free hand touches the playing 
	surface.

bye
Mosche

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From: fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu)
Subject: Re: Speed of Rubber
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:33:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: rec.sport.table-tennis

In article <1992Dec15.211517.3638@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jsr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Joe Riel 3752) writes:
>What does the "speed" of a rubber mean?  Does it refer to the length
>of time that the ball remains in contact with the rubber?  If so,
>shouldn't thicker sponges be slower?
>
>Joe Riel

It refers to the ball speed after being hit.  It depends on the elastic
constants of the rubbers and also their damping characterics (i.e. percentage
of kinetic energy dissipated).  High speed rubbers dissipate less kinetic
energy than the ball.  A thicker sponge reduces the deformation of the ball,
and therefore is faster as less kinetic energy is dissipated.  However,
this is just a first order approximation.  The time constants of how fast
the various spring systems return maximum kinetic energy have to be considered
too.  Ideally, for maximum speed, the time constants should be such that
all the spring systems (the ball, the rubber, the sponge, and the blade)
release the stored energy at the same time as well...  Now, there is a serious
engineering challenge:-).

One simple measurement of the "speed" of the rubber (+blade) is to clamp
the handle, drop the ball from various heights and see how high the ball
bounces.  Table tennis balls are supposed to dissipate less than 1/3 of
the original energy hitting a stiff surface at low speed (see rule book...).
So the ideal high speed rubber actually may not be that much faster when
hit at low speed.
From: Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: How to handle strong top spin ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:07:32 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Annette C. Hollmann) writes:

>In article <Bz1zo2.K1p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec8.160223.19919@u.washington.edu> nguyenk@stein.u.washington.edu (hee hee) writes:
>>
>>>I have one additional opinion, just an opinion, you know. How about 
>>>changing the rubber of your racket :-), use something like "anti-spin
>>>rubber", most of the rubbers have much less speed than conventional ones
>>>which makes it easier for defense play.
>>
>>I was wondering why many (if not most) of the top players use Anti on
>>one side - then I realized that these people have to face topspin stronger
>>than any we're ever likely to encounter 9-)
>>
>Are there any ultra-light rackets that come with anti-spin rubber? I need
>to replace my ancient racket but have trouble finding something to suit my
>weird style. I have to use a very light racket that allows me to feel
> where the ball will go, and I hate bumpy rackets because I can't get much
>precision with them. Most of my opponents topspin like mad, so I need
>something with ultimate control. I am mainly a defensive player , and when
>I nail someone it is usually by position and not by power (my favorite 2
>returns are 1 inch behind the net or 0.5 inch from the far corner,
>depending on where the opponent is not located ;-).

>Does anyone have a suggestion for the perfect racket and where to get it?

Erm, how about buying the blade and rubbers seperately and glueing them on?
or getting the shop/mail order company to glue them on if you don't know how.

>P.S. are there other visually impaired table tennis players out there? I'd
>like to swap ideas on how to overcome blurry opponents and total lack of depth
>perception

I'm very short sighted and wear glasses, does that count?

	Rich 'Z'

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