HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Loeb9 PS map
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:43:03 GMT

Hi, folks.

I prined out the Loeb9 variant map yesterday, and have a question.  Is
Kazakh considered to border Syria?     
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: New judge running with thanks to the EFF
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:39:42 GMT

David> == David C Kovar <kovar@world.std.com> 
 David>   Now, the important part:

 David> 	judge@morrolan@eff.org		- Judge's address

This should read judge@morrolan.eff.org.

While I'm at it, a quick plug for the EFF; for more information, you can
send email to eff@eff.org (or get ftp.eff.org:/pub/EFF/about-eff).

--Chris
--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: aep@MV3600.BMEN.TULANE.EDU
Subject: Controversy
Reply-To: aep@MV3600.BMEN.TULANE.EDU
Organization: TULANE, BMEN, NEW ORLEANS, LA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:58:19 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29123]: mv3600.bmen.tulane.edu

Hello all-

This may seem like an obvious arbitration to you all, but it's led to 
some controversy in our game. The following moves transpired:

Italy:
      A Serbia ----> Greece
      F Ionian supports A Serbia ----> Greece
      F E Med -----> Smyrna
      A Trieste ---> Serbia
      F Adriatic ---> Trieste
      A Apulia ----> Venice

Russia: 
      F Rumania --> Black Sea
      A Ukraine --> Sevastopol
      A Galicia --> Rumania
      A Budapest supports Trieste --> Serbia

Turkey:
      A Greece suuports A Bulgaria --> Serbia
      A Bulgaria ---> Serbia
      F Black Sea --> Bulgaria
      F Aegean ---> Ionian

We are having troule resolving Serbia. Please send your resolution to
aep@bmen.tulane.edu.

Thanks in advance......Andy Pollard

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy Adjuciator
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:53:30 GMT

I also would like to keep an e-mail server.  This seems to be an ideal
form to get to the most people in a convenient way.  But, I would also
support an either MUD or IRC based system [see previous posts], not as
a replacement....but as another way to play diplomacy via the net.  I
think IRC would do a great job, because the system is already there
and we wouldn't be tying up anyone else's resources.  But, many people
just plain don't have the time for this....or the access....

The other possiblitiy is having someone compile a listing of people
and whether they are in a game or not currently, and set up just an
e-mail network of countries, and someone who is a moderator....That
person could moderate games at his leasiure.  Granted, this is not
ideal, but if there is no judge, some is better then none, no?

Just thoughts,
  Matt
--
Matthew Appler - Unichussetts of Massaversity
mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu

 -You can only be young once, but you can ALWAYS be immature....:)
From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: interesting varients
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:06:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov17.200658.998
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.board.diplomacy
Subject: interesting varients
Distribution: world
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Does anyone know of any interesting varients that are not offered on the
judge?  I have always thought that "twin worlds" diplomacy would be fun.  For
those who have not heard of it, TW Diplomacy is played on two boards which
are connected by their like provinces.  (i.e., Kiel on board A connects to
Ruhr, Berlin, Munich, Helgot, Denmark **and** Kiel on board B.)  In one 
version, there are still seven players, each controlling twin powers (i.e.
Germany A and B, Italy A and B etc.)  The other version has fourteen players,
one controlling each power.

Any other goodies?

-Gary

-- 
I like pork.  Especially pork chops.  *An anymonous student comment made
                                      *on the comment board in the cafeteria
Gary L. Arkoff  arkoff@lclark.edu     *at Lewis and Clark College.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu (William C. Haga)
Subject: It's not too late...
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:44:26 GMT


Perhaps it's too late to change Ken's mind, but it isn't too late
to show our appreciation.  I have not been on the net long enough
to to have seen Ken's request for T-shirts, but now that we have
all heard of it, let's send them in.  Someone please post an address
we should send them to.

Bill (wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: What functions would you like in a "judge output parser"?
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:30:03 GMT

In a prior article, David Kovar (kovar@world.std.com) writes:
> Well, I started out on this project so I could feed the results from
> a "list" command into some code and get out a PostScript map with the
> unit positions marked.

My suggestion: allow it to accept results messages from the judge as input.
This would be really easy to do as a tack-on preprocessor: all you need to
do is go through a results listing, and generate something equivalent to the
output of the judge's list command. This obviously wouldn't work with builds
results, but it could with moves without too much trouble... Though there's
still the question of what to do with retreats. This is obviously somewhat
problematic.

Let me try a different approach. When I get a result from the judge, I get
out a paper map, and mark the new unit positions on it with colored pens. I
often need to refer to the current map ("current" until the new orders,
thatis) to do this, but never to a map any further back than that (for what
should be obvious reasons). What I want is a program that will take those
results files from the judge, and generate the maps for me--in color, if I
have a color Postscript printer, but in b/w otherwise.

The program to do this needs two things: first, the ability to handle the
various types of judge results messages (moves, builds, retreats); second,
the ability to store the current turn's map in some form, and refer to it
when generating the new map. Ideally, it would store a file with a name like
current-solo.txt, and when handed a message with subject line "Diplomacy
results solo F1901M", would automatically use current-solo.txt as the
current map.

How hard would this be? Probably not vary--I suspect the tricky part would
be drawing the map in an elegant and aesthetically pleasing manner. I
haven't looked at mapit yet, but if it does the map-drawing part well, it
might be possible to write a front end to mapit that did the position-
generating part as I describe above.

Thoughts?
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Some question !
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:21:08 GMT

	Hi there !

   I have some questio to ask ! Here they go :
 
 1) Does someone have the rules of Diplomacy that he can e-mail me ?

 2) Because I just discovered that group, can someone tell me also about how to
participate in a game. And how the records of the game is held ? (In fact the
question is that if there is someone who gather the information manualy or if
there is some program via e-mail who does it, or some other kind of stuff ?)


	Thanks a lot for the answers.

	Sorry for the mistakes but Eglish is only my third laguage, so please
accept my apologizes.

	Theo.

----
Theo CHINO
University of Alaska, Anchorage
astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
Friday 20th, 1992 (5 am - 8 am : astbc@acad3.alaska.edu)
From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Announcing:  a game for newcomers only!
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:16:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov23.191615.17502
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Greetings!

I would like to announce the creation of a new game on the Judge.  It is called
"Newbie" and is for newcomers only.  This should be a good way for someone to
get the hang of playing email diplomacy as everyone in the game will be
just as new as they are.  Also, as this will be a moderated game, if any of
you newcomers have questions about syntax etc. you can mail me directly
for an answer.

Oh, yes.  In order to sign on, you must first register with the judge.  That
procedure is covered in the "help" text.  To get that, send a letter to
judge@morrolan@eff.org with the word "help" in the text.  Once you have
done that, write another to the judge (same address) in the following
syntax:

signon ?newbie password

You should, of course, substitute your own password.

-Good luck and if you have any questions, just respond to this letter.

-- 
I like pork.  Especially pork chops.  *An anymonous student comment made
                                      *on the comment board in the cafeteria
Gary L. Arkoff  arkoff@lclark.edu     *at Lewis and Clark College.
From: simmsg@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Graham Simms)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Am I too late?
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:47:09 GMT

I have just discovered that e-mail moderated Internet exists, only to
discover that the Official judge is being discontinued.

Are there any games available that I can join? 

Are there other judge programs running that I can join in on/start a game on?

and generally a FAQ list would probably solve lots of other questions I have.

Thanks

Graham
From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Sample Judge output
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:56:40 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

Could somebody please e-mail me a sample Judge output? I have just started
to observe a game, and I want to test the mapit program (but have no output
to feed it).

I realize this could get me a LOT of replies, so I'll post a thanks when I
get the first one.

Jeff
From: bcanning@reed.edu (Benjamin Canning esq.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: The Closing of the Judge
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:55:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov18.045511.28615
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


	The impending closing of the washington Judge has me quite
depressed. Now that I've been playing through the judge for a while, I
find I've become spoiled by it. I would set one up here, except that
we're a small college with a 56Kb Internet link, and no spare machines
to run games on. Are there any plans out there to set a new one up? I
mean there has to be SOME site in this great big nation of ours
(greetings to those of you on the other side of the ponds;) willing
and able to set something up. Alternatively, are the overseas judges
set up to withstand use by those of us in America? I doubt it
somehow...
	In any case, I wanted to express my thanks to Ken for
creating and maintaining the judge for so long. You've provided a
great service and many (far too many...) hours of enjoyment for
hudreds (thousands?) of us out here in net-land, and your time and
effort has not been unappreciated. Hats off to you sir. 
				-Benjamin Canning

-- 
Benjamin Canning 		|  
Philosophy/Religion Student     |  The mills of God grind slowly,
Reed College     		|  but they grind exceedingly small.
Portland, Oregon		|
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: FTP question
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:58:24 GMT

In article <DJOHNSON.92Nov16231656@cayenne.gac.edu> djohnson@cayenne.gac.edu (Daniel P Johnson) writes:
>
>
>I read somewhere that ftp.fu-berlin.de is the "Official" Diplomacy FTP
>site, with lots of cool stuff.  It was warned telemetry with the site
>is extremely slow, and that one should know what one wants before
>attempting to transfer.  "Extremely slow" doesn't begin to describe
>the site.  Non-Operational is closer.
>
There is no "official" archive, however Berlin is certainly
the largest!  The only other archive, to my knowledge, is also
in Germany, however it is much, much faster.  The machine is
sg1507.chemie.uni-marburg.de, (137.248.151.12), and the stuff is
all in the pub/incoming/Ep-Chapter   This directory contains
just about every EP ever published, as well as the DIPL-L old
messages.  However not much else.  Any volunteers for setting up
a major Dip FTP site?

Nicholas Fitzpatrick


Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: Diplomacy Adjuciator
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:34:08 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I want to add my voice to the many others out there who are thanking Ken
for running the Diplomacy adjuciator for so long. Thank you, Ken, and we'll
miss you.

I don't have much doubt that a new site will be found... after all, there
are hundreds of us, and surely *someone* has a machine capable of handling
the load. But what I'm thinking is that this move provides a golden
opportunity to improve some things. Instead of a mail server, how about
an interactive system? We could cannibalize code for a MUD and make it
handle Diplomacy. What do you think of this idea? It would improve
negotiations... instead of sending letters back and forth, parties
could sit in a room and make proposal and counterproposal back and forth
in realtime. I have lots of experience writing MUD code, and I'd be
willing to take on the task... if a site can be found. What do you think?

-- 
__/\__  Jonathan S. Haas         | Jake liked his women the way he liked
\    /  University of Michigan   | his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-
/_  _\  positron@engin.umich.edu | fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and
  \/                             | covered with short brown fuzzy hair.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Winning Big
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:31:24 GMT

Obviously, for standard diplomacy, you must have 18 centers to win.
But what is the greatest number of centers with which someone has won?

If you start with 17 in, say 1909, and all other units moved to non-center
regions (there are at least 17 each sea and land regions without centers), you
could theoretically have all 34 by the end of the year.  Has this happened in a
game?

Other than the above obvious suicide, what is the most that one player has
conquered in the last year (I don't count playing past the first turn with >=18
centers)?

Joel

-- 
jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: starkey@netcom.com (Sean Starkey)
Subject: Re: I'm new. Are there FAQs? What is this all about?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:58:36 GMT

In article <1eo98qINNhj3@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> carsten@pizza.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Carsten Schultz) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm new to this group. Where can I get a FAQ list?
>Can you tell me what this is all about?

Since this newsgroup is brand spankin' new, a FAQ list is still in development.
If you would like to add something to the new FAQ, mail starkey@netcom.com
with suggestions.


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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: New Judge and Hall of Fame
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<By697H.9Eo@world.std.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:17:05 GMT

David> == David C Kovar <kovar@world.std.com> 
Nick>  == nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:

 Nick> (names people?  Cambridge judge?  Massachussets judge?  EFF
 Nick> judge?  Freedom judge?)

 David>   Personally, I'm for "Freedom judge" or "EFF judge". Calling it
 David> "Kovar judge" is a bit too much. *grin*

Remember, we're the Electronic *Frontier* Foundation, not the Electronic
"Freedom" Foundation (whoever they are :).

"EFF judge" works for me, for what that's worth.

--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
From: clune@physics2.berkeley.edu (Tom Clune)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Imminent death of the Net predicted; film at 11
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:46:51
Organization: UC Berkeley Department of Physics
	<1992Nov18.071550.20248@muddcs.claremont.edu>
	<1992Nov18.082818.9864@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Reply-To: clune@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:28:18 GMT

It seems that we need to divide the role of the judge into two parts.
It is desirable to have a central computer for starting games
and for obtaining maps etc.  However, it seems to me that minor
modificiations could be made to have the central Judge distribute new
games among a small set of other sites.  People playing the game
would be told the address that all of their orders and such should be
sent to.  Any computer types feel up to the task of trying this?

- Tom

PS:  I am pretty new to the judge, but just in this last month
I already feel like saying thanx to Ken for the judge.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: New Judge and Hall of Fame
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <CKD.92Nov23121703@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>David> == David C Kovar <kovar@world.std.com> 
>Nick>  == nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:

> Nick> (names people?  Cambridge judge?  Massachussets judge?  EFF
> Nick> judge?  Freedom judge?)

> David>   Personally, I'm for "Freedom judge" or "EFF judge". Calling it
> David> "Kovar judge" is a bit too much. *grin*

>Remember, we're the Electronic *Frontier* Foundation, not the Electronic
>"Freedom" Foundation (whoever they are :).

>"EFF judge" works for me, for what that's worth.

How about "EFFing Judge", as in "That effing judge!!"  :-)

I've got the judges referred to as the "UW Judge" and the "EFF Judge" in my
elm alises file, so I guess that tells you how I think of it. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Standing like a stone on the old plantation,
 The rich old man would have never let him in.
 Good enough to hire not good enough to marry,
 When it all happened nobody wins."
			- Bruce Hornsby And The Range, "The Valley Road"
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Steve Maher - 552)
Subject: Re: Standard Protocol for Diplomacy
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:59:04 GMT


Let me know if you need help with the implementation.

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jek@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (James E. Kittock)
Subject: Players Needed: newbie special
Originator: jek@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:43:17 GMT


Players Wanted for game "hippo" at
judge@u.washington.edu. 

I started this "plain vanilla" standard game with
newbies to Net Diplomacy (such as myself!) in mind.

So come on, new people, join up!  Five or six players
are still needed.

--james
-- 
james kittock -- cs grad student
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy,bit.listserv.dipl-l
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: EP Chapter 2 - Policy changes
Originator: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:42:07 GMT

Due to the dearth of moderated games presently being created
in Ken Lowe's name, I am changing the policy of EP Chapter 2, and
no longer carrying those games, starting with the game angel (now
forming).  These games will no longer be considered part of EP Chapter
2.  (All previous games, to which I have assigned an EP number, will
still remain in EP Chapter 2, until their completion).

These games will still remain part of the (independent) Hall of Fame.

Also, in an attempt to reduce my workload, I am looking for people
to take over DIPL-L, and EP Chapter 2.  No experience neccessary
(after all, I didn't have any!).  I am retaining the Hall of Fame . . .

Nick

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: ***FLASH*** Ken announces demise of judge
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:41:42 GMT

	Damm, no sooner does "angel" start up then I am informed it will be  
the last game on the judge. Since this was my first game, you can imagine  
how surprising this was. I just hope there will be more judges out there to  
replace Ken's.
---
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not  
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon 

Mark E. Brodsky
Northwestern University
Evanston, Ill.
E-mail: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
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	markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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