HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: How to allow access to SYSMAIL but not SHELL? (was Re: Priv-problem
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:50:02 GMT

In article <BasquB1w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
|Here's how to do it if you don't have the source command.
|1. Remove the "shell" line from _system in the extern directory.
|2. Add a file, say, TODOS to the extern directory, consisting of the 
|following:
|  /access=9  /command="c:\dos\%R" /shell

Why not just change the "shell" entry in _system to this?  And why do you
want to load the command interpreter to run the command interpreter?  And
don't you mean /priv=9?

|3. For those people you want to have acess to DOS, set the COMMENT in 
|their user profile to COMMAND, and for anyone else a non-DOS command.

4. Remove Comment: from your static file, so it doesn't appear in postings
5. Add ch_rank: 10 to your static file, so people can't change it
6. Hope that none of your non-trusted priv 9 users can figure out how
    to ADMIN E <self>

|I know this is a kludge, but it works. Note that it would be nicer to 
|include /exclude based on the GROUP markers, but access level 9 seems 
|to be immune to group restrictions.

priv 9 is immune to group restrictions; access 9 is not.  You keep mixing
the two, anyway.

No solution will be safe from a priv 9 user; the EDIT command makes sure of
that.  Even if you made the "shell" extern prompt for a password, your
theoretical priv 9 user could simply edit /waffle/extern/_system and change
it back.

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: How to use com3 & irq5 ?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:09:38 GMT

In <24aFuB1w165w@twiki.UUCP> dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber) writes:

>mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:

>> DEVICE=X00.SYS 2=3E8,5
...
>> Well, it should work.. Telling Waffle to use com3 should work now... BTW: it 
>> all in de Doc's: X00USER.DOC.... RTFM!

>  It worked here, even with non-standard port addresses.  ;-)

I tried using the TSR version of X00 :

X00 e 2=3e8,irq5

and set the static file to use com3: and add driver: fossil
(Do I need to put the   driver: fossil thing ?)
It didn't work. I couldn't get the "Awaiting call ..." prompt.
BTW, the same waffle setup (using com1 and no fossil) works 
fine with my 2400 baud modem on com1.

Somebody sent me an example of his telepath setup with BNU.
I'll download BNU first and give it a try.

Thanks,
-- budi
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Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Net Access at age 14?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:32:54 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group

csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas) writes:
> Only problem I see with kids on the net is that this is the time of
> their lives when they should be out gettin into trouble with the law
> and young girls (boys), and not spending all their free time praying
> to the Cathode Ray Temple. I mean, they've got the rest of their
> lives to fry their retinas. Are we developing a generation of youth
> that would rather play SuperNintendo Baseball than get dirty with the
> real thing?

The real thing? You mean outside? I haven't been outside since my 10th 
birthday.

--  "Xyzzy T. Plugh"                               mertwig!xyzzy@jaflrn.uucp
                     Amateur radio callsign pending
        Daniel Max P. Drucker, the 14 year old networks wizard.

"Difficulty! It's the single simplest machine in the entire Universe!" -HHGTTG
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: [XENIX/1.64] Separate screens/scripts for ttys?
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:33:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: oneb.1992Nov21.043353.5598
Distribution: na
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

I use two static files - /etc/waffle, and /etc/waffle.ttyi1A, which is the
v32 port.

I would like to use a separate welcome file for the ttyi1A port - I haven't
tried creating a ~/welcome.ttyi1A, but am wondering if it would work?

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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:17:49 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

-> eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:
-> > Waffle does not log "pass through" mail.
-> > 
-> > Someone posted a patched version of rmail that logged *every* piece of mail
-> > several months ago.  But I lost my copy.  Does anybody know where to find 
-> > it or if it works with 1.65?
-> 
-> Does anybody but me think there may be a privacy issue here?  It's clearly an
-> ethical principle of UUCP site operation that the sysop will not read messa-
-> ges passing through the site.  

Who said anything about reading it?

I personally honor the privacy act law that forbids a sysop to read
private email and violate the law that requires me to read it all.

<side note:  I'm still waiting for a major player to go to court and
get one or the other (hopefully the read all one) struck down.

-> <<lots of valid points deleted>>

I am not a public service <period>  

Besides, the Post Office and TelCo DO log every leg of every piece of
mail/phone call.  


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: [XENIX] uploads usually don't get credit!
From: tim@qed.cts.com (Tim Capps)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:55:51 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

I am running Waffle 1.65 under Xenix 2.3.3.

I am having a problem with user uploads.  For some reason, when folks upload
files, half the time they don't get credit.  I have to do it manually.
I don't know why?  Do you?

I have noticed this using the "rz", "rx", and "rz" programs.  There doesn't
seem to be any difference.

The upload DOES appear in the transfer log, it just has 0 size!  When
you look in the uploads directory (yes, it is a separate directory),
the file has a non-zero size, and appears ok.

Any help would be appreciated.  
Tim

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From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,sbay.waffle
Subject: Re: Fun with OS/2 2.0 (was Fun with MS Windows)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:01:27 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

> zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:
> 
> > I've solved 98% of the problems by having two icons I run.  
> > one is UUXQT -crnews and the other is UUXQT -crmail.  I can run these
> > simultaneously to process news and mail separately.
> 
> I run UUXQT after each poll.  I connect with eight sites and I like to
> push thru the stuff as quickly as possible.  I also have a news-->email
> customer.
> 
> If I were planning to run Windows continuously, then I suppose a separate
> window for UUXQT would make sense.  I am forced into it because of a
> project I am working on.
> 
I only connect to three sites and only one of those has any volume.  I'll
do some playing around on my system.  Note though,I'm using OS/2 2.0 and not
Windows to do my multitasking and such.  I have an idea that might speed 
things up a bit... How high a volume of mail do you get?

Greg

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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 07:04:34 CST
Reply-To: alt.bbs
Distribution: world
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden) writes:

> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
>
> > Does anybody but me think there may be a privacy issue here?  It's clearly
> > ethical principle of UUCP site operation that the sysop will not read messa
> > ges passing through the site.
>
> One of the interesting notes from my days with FidoNet was how this
> standard was not generally recognized there.  In a forum on one of
> the Fido <> uucp gates, the subject was traffic, and one gatemeister
> proceeded to assess the volume of mail running through his system,
> detailing while he was at it the contents!  When I noted that as
> remarkable, he and a buddy were quick to come back with the standard
> horror stories about equipment confiscated during hacker/kiddieporn
> busts.
>
> Not a single other voice was raised in objection.
>
> I'm not in Fido anymore, but I think there should be concern for
> those who must use it.  Of course, the major privacy factor with
> that network is that mail is generally lost anyway...
>
>

There are two points here worth mentioning.  First, Fido systems don't
recognize any rights of privacy in terms of email.  Many sysops actually post
warnings up front that mail may be subjected to reading before it leaves that
system.  Sysops may not *edit* mail, but they do indeed have the right to read
it, and to not pass it along if the contents would cause them to become one of
those horror stories you read about.

Secondly, those horror stories are *true*.  Sure, a university or corporate
site exchanging mail in the Internet or via uucp isn't going to get popped and
have their equipment confiscated, but BBS sysop are truly targets of such
investigations.  The stories of nightmares such as the one that Steve Jackson
Games went through have been well told, and sysops are quite aware that they
could one day receive a visit from the SS or FBI, simply because of email
posted on their system.  No, your basic amateur system is at risk, and if not
passing through email with illegal content will help reduce that risk, I
understand the situation.

I run my site like a standard uucp system, and I'm hoping that will be a
sufficient explanation should problems occur.  When I was in Fidonet, however,
I did look over email that *originated* on my system.  Nowadays, I've got too
many users on too many different mailing lists.  I'd go nuts trying to review
everything.

followups to alt.bbs, since this has gotten way away from Waffle.





|Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us|
|Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087|
From: root@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle Scheduler
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: uunorth!cibbs!root
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

tomg@cuckoo.egg.com (Grand Master) writes:

> Did anyone figure out what the anomally is with the scheduler?

I had some trouble getting mine going until I read the docs over 20 times...


> Mine (v1.65) was chugging along happily for a couple of months doing its 
> appointed tasks at its appointed time. Yesterday at 10:00am it decided to 
> quit. It stopped calling out for no apparent reason. Absolutely nothing 
> was changed in the system. I'm baffled and Waffled!
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> I had some trouble getting the scheduler to work when I first installed 
> v1.65 but it finally started to work though I never figured out why. I 
> thought that the problem was simply me and thus forgot about it.

Delete the STAMP file on your ~..\SYSTEM directory. I have found this to solve
problems on my system.

Mark

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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: New files on Halcyon
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:41:48 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

I've been grinding out code for some time, and keeping the secret to myself :-)
I thought I'd send my latest creations over to halcyon and let the world in
on the secret.....

AT -

   At is a one-shot form of the unix utility cron; it's input is a standard
   crontab line.  There is also an option to exit immediately (after
   performing any program specified, if appropriate).  The exit status code
   will be set, and you can decide where to go depending on whether the
   time was the one specified in the command line.

Duck -

   Duck is a program I wrote for Waffle to analyze the cost of the phone
   calls to my hosts.  Duck was written so that I would know what the costs
   would be; however, it could possibly be used for billing purposes.
   This was NOT my intent - a Usenet feed should be a public service, in
   the tradition of the Hacker Ethic.

Ellie -

   Ellie is a text file translation tool, which will strip (or add) control-Z
   end-of-file markers, set (or clear) high bits, and set the line-terminator
   to carriage return only, linefeed only, or both.  There are also several
   pre-sets, including translations to text formats for UNIX, Apple II ProDOS,
   Apple II DOS 3.3, and MS-DOS.

Jenna -

   Jenna is a program which will save messages to a v1.64 format.  Each
   message is saved to a file, which can be in the standard <user>.###
   format, but there are other options - Jenna was originally written for
   another purpose and kind of grew into its current form.

Spin -

  Spin will scan your files area (in specified subdirectories) and post
  new files to the specified newsgroup, uuencoded, with "Part x of y"
  subject lines.

Termite -

  This program will take an incoming Flea file (from a Fidonet file echo)
  and put the incoming file into a specified Waffle subdirectory.  The
  file's description will be automatically added to the specified files
  description file (given in the static file).

NOTE:

  If you combine Spin and Termite, you can start gating file echos into
  Usenet...... (but be careful!)

I'm also working on a news and mail gateways to Fidonet for Waffle.  The
news gateway is in beta test; if you don't mind being a guinea pig for
possible loose cannons and bombs, send a mail message to
list-server@ruth.uucp with "subscribe amanda-l" in the message body
and all should be well.  The mail gateway is still under development and
is not available yet for beta test.

Any questions on any of these programs, drop me a line!


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From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: dupweed
Summary: What I did in it's place
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 07:59:35 EST
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063

tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:

> jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas) writes:

[some deleted]

> > Problem though, isn't it supposed to find duplicate articles from the root 
> > of news, no matter if they are posted elsewhere of not! right now I can
> > delete dupes from news\rec\foo and news\rec\bar but if something is
> > cross-posted to comp.foo or comp.bar I'm fubar for sure!!  Kevin any help
> > available and no I'm not a programmer!! Just a waffle head, I guess I could
> > try writing bat files for every conceivable combination but that wouldn't w
> > either!!  I can't get dupweed to see extended or expanded memory either, on
> > the 320,000 or so I have left after waffle is running!!

> I dont know waht happened when I used it, but it dleted an entire news direct
> not just duplicate articles.  When I have more time I'll look at it again,
> but until then....

I tried it too, and had some problems. Most of it I suspect was due to
stack overflow from the recurse routine. I started hacking it, but in
the end decided to write my own code to do it from scratch.

Another problem I noticed is that it's fine if you kill the dupes,
* BUT * if you resequence BEFORE you batch, the filenumbers in the batch
queues will fail to match. Which is why Willard Dawson took the approach
he did with WafHist.

My solution is to kill the dupes, batch, and then go back and resequence.
Currently the dupe kill routine in my code assumes you get all your news
from a single upstream site. A painful restriction, but the result is some
VERY VERY fast code. And my directory recurse function uses very little
stack space, with no limit on subdirectories, etc..  It can handle 3000
files per directory, probably closer to 5000 if one wanted it too. I'm
currently trying to decide how to effectively clean dupes when getting
multiple feeds, as this does require every article file be opened since
identicle articles may have come via different paths. If anyone is
interested, let me know and I'll either post it or an announcement of
where/how to get it when I'm done.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:24:08 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:
> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> > Does anybody but me think there may be a privacy issue here?  It's clear-
> > ly an ethical principle of UUCP site operation that the sysop will not 
> > read messages passing through the site. ... 
> 
> Who said anything about reading it?
> 
> I personally honor the privacy act law that forbids a sysop to read
> private email ...

I didn't suggest that you plan to read it.  What I said was that while every-
one agrees that intermediate sites should not read passthrough mail, keeping 
*records* about such mail is a gray area.  If, for example, I discover from 
my records that every evening A sends mail to B, I can be pretty sure that A 
is lying when he tells me that he doesn't know B.  The question is, do I have 
the right to obtain the information that A is corresponding with B?  Or do A 
and B have a right to think that I will not have my computer keep the records 
that make such information available?  If there's a consensus regarding the 
answers to these questions, I don't know what it is.

> -> <<lots of valid points deleted>>
> 
> I am not a public service <period>  

I don't think I agree.  If you operate a UUCP site that forwards mail for any
user who sends it to you, a public service is exactly what you are.  Notice
that neither you nor I said "public utility", a term with (I think) some spe-
cific legal connotations.  In any case, the questions I raised are ones of
ethics, not law.

> Besides, the Post Office and TelCo DO log every leg of every piece of
> mail/phone call.  

I'm not sure I believe that the P.O. does that, but in the case of the phone
company, there are rules regarding how that information is used.  I think 
that in most, if not all, states you can't browse those records without a 
search warrant.  So let me throw out yet another bone to chew on:  Would any 
UUCP sysop in his right mind keep records of passthrough messages if he 
thought there were the slightest possibility that he might be served with a 
search warrant by a Government agency investigating someone who sent mail 
through his site?

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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: dupweed
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:23:12 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas) writes:

> Well all, I got the dupweed that kevin posted and maybe I just got a lot of
> newsgroups but it won't work on news\comp or news\soc don't think it's in
> the code just think I gotta use it on smaller and smaller root directories.
> Problem though, isn't it supposed to find duplicate articles from the root 
> of news, no matter if they are posted elsewhere of not! right now I can
> delete dupes from news\rec\foo and news\rec\bar but if something is
> cross-posted to comp.foo or comp.bar I'm fubar for sure!!  Kevin any help
> available and no I'm not a programmer!! Just a waffle head, I guess I could
> try writing bat files for every conceivable combination but that wouldn't wor
> either!!  I can't get dupweed to see extended or expanded memory either, only
> the 320,000 or so I have left after waffle is running!!
> 
I dont know waht happened when I used it, but it dleted an entire news directory.
not just duplicate articles.  When I have more time I'll look at it again,
but until then....


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From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,sbay.waffle
Subject: Re: Fun with OS/2 2.0 (was Fun with MS Windows)
Keywords: l
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:56:04 PST
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:

> 
> Steve;
> 
> I've been getting two copies of your posts: one from GRAFex, and
> one from ub-gate. I do not know if it was caused by your cross
> posting or what, but I thought you would find it interesting. <g>
> 
Same here, man.

-- Dean

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From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: dupweed
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:42:05 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois

Well all, I got the dupweed that kevin posted and maybe I just got a lot of
newsgroups but it won't work on news\comp or news\soc don't think it's in
the code just think I gotta use it on smaller and smaller root directories.
Problem though, isn't it supposed to find duplicate articles from the root 
of news, no matter if they are posted elsewhere of not! right now I can
delete dupes from news\rec\foo and news\rec\bar but if something is
cross-posted to comp.foo or comp.bar I'm fubar for sure!!  Kevin any help
available and no I'm not a programmer!! Just a waffle head, I guess I could
try writing bat files for every conceivable combination but that wouldn't work
either!!  I can't get dupweed to see extended or expanded memory either, only
the 320,000 or so I have left after waffle is running!!


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