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From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Ground cover
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:02:28 GMT


Second question for today..I found a rock recently that was covered with
moss..or what I thought was moss. It was in an area that was receiving
dappled sunlight, and looked reasonable healthy. To get the most bang
for my buck, I decided to try to propagate the small amount I have.
I have dried it and will sieve it so I have a powder and then dust the
surface of the plants soil. However, After looking at it a bit longer, It looks more like some kind of green mold to me than the mosses I am used to.
Any one have any suggestions?
                                                 Mike
ps: Does any one have an address or contact for the Milwaukee Bonsai
Society? I know they used to meet at the Mitchell park domes, but
I was working evenings at the time and lost track of them...

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From: Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Indoor bonsai
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:43:58 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I had a bonsai cycas revoluta (sago "palm") that I kept outdoors until about 
the middle of November, at which point I brought it in to the kitchen.

It was a beautiful little plant, and it did very well (c. revoluta is native
to the mountains in Japan, where it does get quite cold & snowy -- in fact, the
climate there is very similar to that here in southwest Virginia).

Unfortunately, someone stole it from my porch (along with several other nice
plants) about a year ago, and I have yet to find another to replace it.

Tim 

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: I had to ask.....
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.211624.11795@cs.hut.fi> logerius@psykoman.cs.hut.fi (Patrick Buchert) writes:
>In <MVOORHIS.92Sep6164255@wpi.WPI.EDU> mvoorhis@wpi.WPI.EDU (Prince Elric) writes:
>
>>probably discussion of bansai growing!
>
> What FRIGGING bansai ?? It's BONSAI,at least spell correctly the name 
>of the newsgroup.
>
>   BTW I just dug up a fine bonsai month ago from the wilds.
>It's about 50cm tall pine ..... absolutely beatiful,
>I'd estimate it's age about 20 years,but it could be way older.
>  I think it should wait until next summer before I dare to 
>prune it at all,or maybe I won't touch it.
> Any expirience on pruning pines,how,why,when ??

Well, first, you need a BIG axe... (Japanese of course ;-)...

Sounds nice.  What kind of pine?  (There _are_ more than one species you know)
I don't have the 'official' sourcebook here at work, but trees should be
(usually) pruned while they sleep in the winter.  Pines, of course, don't.
Sorry :-(

If you wan't I'll take a look when I get home.

>
>
>
>Log
>
>
>
Regards,
Thor


Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: wright@reach.enet.dec.com (Life was never meant to be painless.)
Subject: Bonsai going Brown, and I need help...(total beginer here...)
Reply-To: wright@aiag.enet.dec.com
Organization: Depravity Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:27:50 GMT


Several months ago, I was given a juniper bonsai.
(At least, I remember it being a juniper, as does my girlfreind who
gave it to me...)

It is currently going brown, and I am wondering what I can do to get it to
go back to green...

Its been well watered, I've been good at keeping the soil moist to damp.

for a while it was in northern window, I have since moved it out of the window
in case the sun was adversly affecting it.

The only bad thing that has happened to it is that it was knocked over/dumped 
a couple of months ago...

any suggestions, pointers or requests for more information gladly accepted.

grins,

clark.
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Reji Martin)
Subject: Re: Books on Bonsai (was Is there a FAQ . . . )
Keywords: Bonsai Farm, mail-order
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:01:15 GMT





	If you want a good mail-order place with good prices
	and excellant products try the following


	The Bonsai Farm
	13827 Hwy. 87 So.
	Adkins, Texas 
	78101
		Owners: Edith & Leonard Sorge
		Tel:  (512) 649-2109

	They carry trees, plants, pots, tools, books and supplies!
	They even have a nice line of UNplastic looking plastic
	pots that are excellants prices!
	
	Even here in eastern Canada it is worth our time and
	money to buy from Texas! Kind of funny that bonsais
	come from Texas where everything is supposed to be
	bigger than life!


     The      O
     Wheel   /-
     Brat   ( )\_	varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca

     Reji Martin,   Prince Edward Island, Canada
From: Linda.Brigman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Linda Brigman)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Books on Bonsai (was Is there a FAQ . . . )
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:42:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

_BONSAI with American Trees_
by Masakuni Kawasumi
published by Kodansha International Ltd

Seems just right for beginners, which my husband & I are.  It certainly
has some excellent information about tools.  Anyone know where (maybe
mailorder?) we can order tools/supplies?

Linda (currently sigless)
Internet: lgb@rcc.rti.org
Bitnet:   lgb@rti
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From: wolff@kjemi.unit.no (Erik Wolff . Kjemiteknikk)
Subject: Tips on Orange Bonsai???
Organization: Dept. of Chem.Eng, Norwegian Inst. of Tech.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 08:13:27 GMT

Hi.

The art of bonsai has interested me since I visited the far east some years ago
and seeing a lot of them at a nursery in L.A. 'matured' my interest.

At the time being I have a two year old orange tree (I have raised it from seed)
around 7-8 inches tall and I wonder if anyone has had any experience with this
sort. The funny thing is that I haven't done much aside from trimming it a little
and keeping it in a small pot. I guess it doesn't grow too fast at 63 degrees
north.

On another matter; does there exist any procedure for raising bonsai which are
'suspended' in the air on the top of their root system, i.e.


                    () () () ()
                     \ /   \ /
                       \   /
                         \/
                         ||
                         || <- bottom of stem
                         /\
                        /| \  <- top of root system
                       / /  |
                    -------------
                        soil

Sorry for the lack of artistic refinement, but I gather you understand what I
mean. I once saw a maple bonsai which was of this type with it's roots
draped down the side of a rock before they entered the soil. Any comments?

Erik
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: World wide popularity of bonsai.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:50:52 GMT

My problem with the Acer palmatum is that I cannot but trees that
aren't grafted...   _All_ of them have this big ugly graft...!

Import of plants / seeds is against the law.

I would like to one day have a nice Acer, and perhaps a few flowering
cherries (Sakura in Japanese :-), but not grafted ones.   Sigh.

Regards,
Thor
From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: office growing
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:30:36 GMT
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk

howard@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Howard Betel) writes:

>OK I'll start.  Does anyone know of any bonsai that will survive in an
>office environment. ie very constant temperature and no dark cycle.

In my office, we turn off the lights when we go home for the day.
If that's not possible, in the long run most plants will become
unhealthy. I'd consider rotating them, giving them one week of
constant light, and three weeks of day/night cycles somewhere
else.

The constant temperature is not all that much of a problem, as
that is what tropical trees get anyway. May I suggest Scheffleras?
They have no problem with not getting watered over weekends. (But it
does take some work getting them to grow small leaves.)

(Note: Yes, I know there are plants growing in places where there
is constant daylight during the summer, but you can't keep those
indoors.)
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 Urban Fredriksson   urf@icl.se
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: klaus@vidar.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Klaus Zeppenfeld)
Subject: What is this for?
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at the University of
              Osnabrueck. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of the university.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Osnabrueck, Germany
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:51:16 GMT

I'm wondering for which purpose this newsgroup was created. I've read until
now only one useful question about bonsais and many less useful comments.

Are there any really enthusiastic bonsai fans in the net ???

Klaus
Subject: Re: what makes bonsai bonsai
Organization: University of Maine System
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From:    michael@maine.maine.edu (Michael Johnson)
To:      NETNEWS@MAINE
Date:    Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:31:19 EDT

Bonsai are cultivated by a number of methods. The most common method is to
shape the plant by a combination of pruning and wiring the branches to the
right shape. The plants are grown in a wide, shallow container, which forces
the root system to be abnormal, thus contributing to stunting the plant's
growth. Sometimes bonsai are created by cutting a large plant down to size,
but this is usually only done with certain deciduous varieties.

Bonsai were originally collected from the wild in Japan, and such trees are
highly prized. They are also extremely rare, because the conditions that
cause natural stunting are only found in a few places. In Japan, basically
all of the natural bonsai were collected long ago.

Bonsai cultivation can be, like many other things in Japan, a spiritual
activity. The design of a bonsai ideally reflects certain spiritual virtues.
I'd suggest reading "Bonsai Masterclass", a book on bonsai that discusses
the philosophical roots of bonsai cultivation. It is available through
Brentanos.

Michael Johnson, VM Systems Group                     michael@maine.maine.edu
"I will choose the path that's clear. I will choose Free Will." -- Neil Peart
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Subject: Re: Amount of Root Needed
Reply-To: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.042557.27463@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, crgoc@orlando.uk.cray.com (Gary O'Connor) writes:
|>    Quite a lot of shrubs are good, purely because they are shrubs not tree's.
|>    remember just because they are small does'nt mean they mature faster, an
|>    oak tree will still take 20-30 years to grow properly whether 20 inches
|>    or 100 ft.
|>    Rhododendron are fairly fast growing during summer, though the flowers 
|>    tend to spoil the effect IMHO.

You can get dwarf Rhododendron as bonsai subjects - the flowers are small, c. 1-2 cms across, and
crown the plant in quite an appealing manner IMHO.

I agree about getting shrubs as subjects instead of trees for "quick" success - I've seen examples
of cotoneaster, broom, azalea, even privet - some people try hedging conifers like leylandii,
chamycyparis, thuja, etc. - not quite as effective as chinese juniper, but can be cheap, cheerful,
and fast growing.

Cheers,
	Marlon

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: World wide popularity of bonsai.
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:56:46 GMT


Based on the last post I saw (Re: office growing by Megumi Sorita) it
seems we are reaching the birthplace of bonsai..hopefully this will
increase the amount of information available!

Now to the real point of this post. I have seen at least one post from
Europe (Finnland?) and one from Japan..a couple from the U.S. How
wide spread is the popularity of bonsai? I would also be interested
in hearing about individuals first exposure to bonsai..when did you
first learn about it (year as well as your age, then and now), and
via what medium? 
     My first exposure to bonsai was about 25 years ago.
I was about 8 at the time. I was watching the TV program 
'Family Affair'. In one episode, Jode is given a beautiful bonsai
flowering cherry tree. The tree was given to him by an elderly Japanese
man ( business accociate of "Uncle Bill"?). The man goes back to Japan.
While he is there, the tree starts to show some severe signs of stress.
The tree eventually makes a come back, and then we learn that the gentleman
that gave the tree to Jode was very ill and almost died. Oh..I forgot
to mention that the tree was (I think) planted the day the man was born,
and he believed that it would die the same day he did...
Well, I fell in love with that tree and wanted one of my own. After 
that I read every article I could find..and bought every book I could 
afford...I'm still hoping I can find a source of flowering cherry 
seeds suitable for planting...or maybe seedlings.

I'd be willing to bet that a large number of people were exposed to
bonsai through the movie 'Karate Kid'...

I'd also be interested in hearing from any one interested in origami.

                                              Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ or FTP site for a beginner?
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:07:20 GMT

shag@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt) queries...
            Is there a FAQ or FTP site for a beginner?

>My girlfriend and I have recently become interested in bonsai
>and I'd like some info for beginners.  Is there a FAQ for
>this group or an FTP site with info?  Can anyone recommend
>a book or three?  Posting would be good (rather than email)
>since I'm sure there are other beginners out there.  Thanks!
>
>Shag

I am NOT the moderator, or a net god or anything, but I don't think there is
an FTP site, or a FAQ or anything YET. To the best of my (admittedly limited)
knowlege this group has only existed for about a week or a little more.
This IS a great question for an FAQ list...and I would gladly take 
responsibility for maintaining an FAQ for the group.

Books....I have three that I like alot...BONSAI (I think thats it title)
from SunSet books...available at most book stores and most gardening
stores such as Steins Gardens and Gifts. Another is the Masters book
of Bonsai from the Japanese Bonsai Society..wonderful inspiration even
if I can't hope to attain that level any time soon...The third is
the Complete Book of Bonsai by Dorothy Dutton..pretty comprehensive
but she does assume that every one that grows bonsai has a house ;-).
I got the last two from a major retail book store chain without any 
trouble...
                                                   Mike

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From: fishwick@fish.cis.ufl.edu (Paul Fishwick)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Amount of Root Needed
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:32:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

About 6 months ago, I tried to start a bonsai tree by taking a seedling.
Unfortunately, it did not do well, and I think it might have been due to
the amount of root that I took with the plant when I pulled it out of
the ground (hardly any at all). About what length of root material do
you need to replant a seedling? Should I try to pull out a substantial
part of the original root system?

One other question: what is a good fast growing plant/tree that makes
the "bonsai process" shorter? I would prefer taking things that grow
in my back yard if possible.

-paul

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Subject: Re: Pruning question
Reply-To: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:05:38 GMT

In article <redel.716546927@shannon>, redel@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Dean Redelinghuys) writes:
|> In <g88m0396.716545321@alpha.ru.ac.za> g88m0396@alpha.ru.ac.za (Jon-Dean Mountjoy) writes:
|> 
|> >Shouldn't the bonsai be kept outside?
|> >I thought that this is what is 'standard'. 
|> >They are TREES in a sense, and TREES don't grow
|> >inside.
|> 
|> Well, yes and no. Yes, they are trees, but no, they shouldn't necessarily 
|> be kept outdoors. The only problem is that they will most likely _not_be_
|> able_to_grow_indoors. Here in sunnsy South Africa we can only grow an
|> indigenous species (Acacia) indoors - the rest all die from overheating.
|> If you live in a cold or cool climate, then they may actually _thrive_
|> indoors.

   It's indeed worth noting that there is a whole branch (if you could possibly excuse the pun) of
bonsai covering indoor growing - and many specialist books.
   I've not touched that topic at all as it seems that most of the bonsai subjects that really interest
me are ones that'll only grow well outdoors!
   Flicking through the books it seems indoor bonsai are generally happy if given enough light (eg.
window sill) and humidity (eg. stand in a grit and water filled tray).  It seems you do have to be
careful which species you go for, taking local conditions into account.

   Note also you can bring your favourite outdoor bonsai indoors occasionally for display or whatever - 
general consensus seems to be inside for at most 2 days, back outside for a week.

    The bonsai I've lost in the past have either been (I think) because of lack of watering during
Summer or prolonged cold during Winter - I was wondering about eg. bringing them indoors on especially
cold nights this Winter and then sticking them outside again in the morning - anyone think this is a
good or bad idea?

    Bye,
		Marlon

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: m116180@cc.tut.fi (M{{tt{ Arto)
Subject: Re: Pinus Thunbergii
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 08:41:44 GMT


In <72157@apple.Apple.COM> rkn@Apple.COM (Richard K. Nordin) writes:

>I have no direct experience. My bonsai teacher had some Thunbergii and
>they must have survived Minnesota winters (where the temperature could
>flirt with -40). I imagine a cold frame was useful. 

Maybe I try it. I'll tell the results in next April ;-)

>My pines were all Sylvestris, copped from my Uncle's christmas tree
>farm (ah, bliss!). They did fine with a nice insulating layer of snow.
>-- 

>Hud Nordin

I have one sylvestris too. I got it from nature here so
it will survive for sure.

Arto

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From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Bonsai magazines and shops
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:51:50 GMT
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Sep11.152213.3896@mr.med.ge.com> bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266) writes:

Anything for a fellow GE.. :-)
Bonsai Today
Stone Latern Publishing Co
P. O. Box 816
Sudbury MA 01776


Subscriptions are $42 a year. 6 issues a year.

Yes it's expensive, but it's an english translation of a Japanese
magazine. Very detailed!

Issue 1 had 18 pages on wiring! Current issue is #20.
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