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From: danaf@vccsouth26.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Keywords: Spam AGA Amiga
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: world,public
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:22:33 GMT

In article <BzHqwM.2A1@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier) writes:
|> 
|> I agree with you, David. I subscribed to this news group because I have
|> been hearing so much about the 1200. I came over here from
|> comp.sys.atari.st to learn about this machine and about the company and
|> Havn't learned anything (well, to put it simply, my time so far has not
|> been well spent.). Is there a Newsgroup out there dedicated to learning
|> about C= (this group taught me what C= means ;^) ) and the Amiga? I find
|> this group simply a GENERAL Amiga newsgroup...

No shock there... it is!

There are MANY c.s.a... newsgroups dedicated to posting about different aspects
of the Amiga community in a serious and thoughful manner. c.s.a.advocacy is
where all the rest of the trash goes to die.

For info on the A1200, I suggest you check out c.s.a.hardware and 
c.s.a.announce (or whatever it's called.) This is a place for advocacy - for
screaming and yelling and saying "my computer's better than yours!" - not for
information.

|> 
|> --Kevin
|> [Yes, I have an Atari. No, I don't care to argue. I just wish to read
|> about what C= is doing and what the Amiga has to offer...]

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From: d0per@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Hiller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is BLAZEMONGER ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:04:08 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:


>What is BLAZEMONGER ?


>/Mattias

>_______
>Mattias Myrberg

>m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se

 There are actually several versions differing from each other. Way back in the
early days, when People still knew what ATARI was, BLAZEMONGER, Inc. cam out
with a revolutionary new product: the AMIGA powered Flash Light! The called
the BLAZEMONGER. Unfortuynately, the guys at Management must have made a HUGE
mistake when they were analyzing the market, because only THREE units were
sold (all three of them in the UK). BLAZEMONGER, Inc. was really struggling
at the edge of bankruptcy, until one day they came up with a formula of this
really great ACNE remover. They decided to call it ZITMONGER, but alas, that
name was already taken. 

 These were the early days of BLAZEMONGER, Inc. Nowadays BLAZEMONGER, Inc. is
one of the...oops, sorry...THE MULTIEVOLUTIONAL INTERNATIONAL ALL-RULING
COMPANY of the known UNIVERSE (and then some). They have developed a service
for thier customers, the BLAZEMONGER Customer Service, nobody forgets a visit
from them.

 I hope this has given you a little elumination in the winter darkness.

- Martin.
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:29:26 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07hm@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>Jon M. Taylor jon.taylor@uuserve.cc.utah.edu wrote a paragraph wondering
>why people think that Amigas need productivity apps.  The reasons are
>simple -- some of us would rather use Amigas a tools than as mindcandy that
>not everyone has a taste for.....

And then there are people out there who are using the available productivity
apps on the Amiga to run businesses.  I know several.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:27:05 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
 <1992Nov20.220951.21298@microsoft.com> <doiron.0ih5@starpt.UUCP>
 <1992Dec11.074529.19885@utstat.toronto.edu> <92346.054315MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <torrie.724114674@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>

In article <torrie.724114674@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan
Torrie) says:
>Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.074529.19885@utstat.toronto.edu>,
>>philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) says:
>>>Quicktime is important. Very.

>>Why? I've seen it. It's just an anim player, and a pretty cheesy one at that.
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>  Oh no, not again.  Please, please, please, read some QuickTime
>developer's documentation.  QuickTime does far more than just bitblt
>moving images to the screen.

Yes, I've seen it. It scales the moving images to the size of the window,
and dithers it if there aren't enough bitplanes for all the colors. This
might be impressive if not for the fact that it ends up running so slow (on
a Mac Quadra!!) as to be essentially useless. The Amiga 500 I used to own
animated full-screen up to sixty times faster than QuickTime on a Quadra.
I reiterate, sophisticated bells and whistles mean little when the program
does not accomplish its main function!

Anyway, even if it accomplished them at full speed, the scaling and dithering
still wouldn't make it more than an anim player -- albeit a quite sophisticated
one. There's got to be more to it than that, but what?

"Thank you, Dr. Science."

[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:40:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec17.044523.28964@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <71842@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>P.S. Tell Bill I have some 7-11 coupons I'm not using if he want them.
>
>Ouch! That was a good one :).
>

Most certainly! Ahhh, the famous "ice cream story".

Ian "I'm NOT a millionaire" Kennedy
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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CD-I vs CDTV and Computer Shopper
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:44:51 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:


>	Well, In the latest Computer Shopper, (I think its the UK's biggest computer mag)
>	Gave the CD-I the Hardware Turkey of the Year award.

>Sounds like typical sour grapes.  I've been playing with the CD-I for 3
>days now and it's color and general "speed" is much much nicer than my
>CDTV.  They've got a lot of catching up to do and no amount of snide
>commentary from Amiga Shopper is going to change that.

No, it was the UK Computer Shopper which gave the award, not an Amiga
specific magazine.  Food for thought huh?

	Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:39:27 GMT

In article <BzGy8I.Ioo@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>In fact, if anyone was borrowed from it was the Mac, that was real

	And I am sure that the Mac didn't 'borrow' it from some large company
that once broke from Kodak to make machines to copy paper multiple times...

>Besides, there is nothing new under the sun.  Nothing the Amiga did
>was not done before.


	KEYBOARD GARAGE AND MULTIPLE SCREENS

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   OS/2 vs Win NT
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:50:04 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec11.054927.29403@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <root.0363@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>>stated Windows NT.
>
>>But only if the RISC chip is Alpha or MIPS in little endian mode.
>
>Which I would imagine to be implicitly assumed at this point.

And I'll follow that up by asking why anyone would want a $7000+ Amiga?

>>Why would someone want a server OS for MSDOS Windows 3.x on their Amiga?
>
>At the moment, this is highly subjective. In retrospect, it may prove to be
>a significant offering.

A server is a system that sits in the corner and grinds away.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 09:40:40 GMT

In article <Bz2E1r.8Kw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>I don't know about Mr. Greene, but I'm sure I have a lot of games on my
>>hard drive that would make IBM'ers drool with envy. How about Pinball
>>Dreams/ Pinball Fanatsies? This is an incredible pinball simulation of
>
>Pinball...hahahahahahahahaha.  
>
>Sorry, I'll stick with falcon 3.0, LSL 1-6, KQ 1-?, and Wolfenstein.
> 
Liesure suit Larry... Kings Quest ...hahahahahahahahaha.

>>the Beholder and Ultima 6. When I run most of these games I can still
>>use my computer for other things (such as downloading through a terminal
>>program.)
>
>It is a very small % of the population that would want to do anything
>else while playing a GAME.  Multitasking is usually used for printing
>and working, or copying and working...not playing games which is
>usually an all-consuming activity.
>
>That's not saying it's not useful for you, just not for everybody.
>  
                               
Actually, the great thing about the Amiga is that I never have to wait
for it to finish doing something before I can do something else. I
can play games, edit files, make 3d animations, anything ... while it is
working on something else. The Amiga always give the task handling user 
input high priority over anything else, so the user response never slows
down no matter how busy the computer is. If I'm downloading files from
a BBS and playing Ultima at the same time, there is no apparent slowdown
in either task. And why should I have to wait for the computer to
finish downloading, printing a file etc. to do what I want to.

>>Amiga games usually have better animation, scrolling and character
>>movement. A lot of IBM games use up a lot of disk space and have more depth
>>but still seem more primitive due to the limitations of clones.
>
>Times change: check out Wolfenstien.  There is nothing primitive about
>it.

From what I have heard Wolfenstien is a primitive game with impressive 
graphics. Maybe Ultima Underworld is a better example. Still if the 
need to play MSDOS games becomes great enough I can get a bridgeboard.
I bet if some of the IBM'er bought 500's to play games, they would
find out how nice the Amiga OS really is.

Mike Danielsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: TeX, SGML and information interchange (was: Why my Amiga is gone)
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:52:40 GMT

In <1992Dec13.090205.25838@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>In article <Bz5rBH.4p0@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:

>>You yourself have shown holes in Word, and I can find TREMENDOUS GAPING
>>HUGE holes in Chiwriter or TeX.

>As for TeX, I do not like it any more than 
>I enjoy programming. I do maintain though that it will become as standard
>in many fields once 2 problems are solved. The first is to hide it from the
>user via a GUI or whatever (done by Scientific Word) and the second is to
>facilitate the creation of tables and importing of EPS files

Both of these limitations have already been addressed by several SGML
(Standard Generalized Markup Language, an ISO standard for information
interchange) compliant applications.  You write your documents via an
OpenLook or Motif GUI, with onscreen WYSIWYG or unformatted markup.
The document structure is strictly defined by a Document Type Declaration
(DTD), of which there are ISO standards for books, technical manuals,
memos, letters, etc.  You may insert external entities such as pictures
at appropriate places allowable by the DTD.  The document is parsed
and validated according to the DTD.  You may then output it if there
is a formatted output specification for the DTD.  The output could
be TeX or troff, for instance; then the composition could be handled
by the appropriate TeX/troff (or whatever) tools.

One big benefit of SGML is that you are not dependent upon a single
vendor for tools, since it is an ISO standard.  You can exchange your
documents with any vendor who supplies a compliant application.  There
are applications for parsing/validation, editing, composition, full
text search/retrieval, text databases, translation/conversion, and
probably others too.

I've been using SGML as a data file format for the applications that
I've been writing because it allows you to model any sort of heirarchical
information very easily, and a lot more quickly than a relational
database could.  Since the files are pure text, they can be humanly
understood and easily hand edited for debugging.  SGML allows me to
model information into an object database (not quite object oriented,
but very close to it).  And one beneficial side effect is that the
users will have complete control of their data; they will be able to
augment my applications with tools from other vendors, tools that they
might write themselves, and all available SGML applications on the
market.  Of course, this is all presently on Unix platforms... The
Amiga platform just doesn't show enough enthusiasm for applications
of that nature to be profitable (strangely enough, Windows and Mac
already have a relatively healthy SGML market).

Ben

SEE ALSO:  comp.text.sgml
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From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS3.1 - 720x480 NI
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92  12:12:06

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: <Bz4943.399@news.iastate.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> In article <1992Dec11.071604.10539@midway.uchicago.edu>
> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >I have heard a rumor (yes, a rumor I have not yet seen here) that version
> >3.1 of the os will:
> >
> >     1) Center the screen properly
> >     2) Up the max NI mode to 720x482 in order to please MB :)
> >
> >Well, in the truest sense of c.s.a.a, is there any truth to this?
>
>   I don't know anything about the rumor (I suspect that the limitations in
> non-interlaced resolution are hardware, though), but it would not "please"
> me
> if they "fixed" it.  I expected 800x600 non-interlaced resolutions from the

Nothing would please you.

> AGA chipset, and nothing less would satisfy me.  What I was mad about was
> the
> fact that not only did the non-interlaced resolution not improve at all from
> the A3000 to the A4000 -- as it should have -- but Commodore had the
> audacity
> to **DECREASE** it.  As I have said a number of times, the magnitude of this
> decrease was not the point.  If the resolution had only drop by one scan
> line,
> I would still have been upset.  The whole point was that the resolution did
> not improve but actually got worse.

Jeezus,  haven't  we  already  covered  this?  Haven't you gotten your butt
fried  enough  already?   So WHAT if the *OVERSCANNED* resolution decreased
slightly?  (I'm not even sure if thats true - would one of the A4000 owners
speak  up?)  There  isnt  one  single  piece of software that gives a damm!
Nobody  CARES!   Lots of other computers have similar changes from model to
model.

Now,  greater  resolution  would  have been nice.  But its obviously not as
easy  as  you  <cough> think!  You are not a chip designer, or an engineer.
You'll  just  have  to  wait for the next generations of chipsets (just for
laughs,  what  do  YOU "think" the next chipset should be capable of doing?
Holographic  projections right into your skull [assuming it could penetrate
it]?).   Considering  that AGA is being sold in the cheap A1200, I'd say it
gives  darn  good  graphics for the price.  AGA might be a little wimpy for
the  A4000  level  machine,  admitedly, but then again, thats why they make
cards like the Vivid 24.

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

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 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
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--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:53:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.154138.8619@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>   Use CD-ROM with what?  The Fish disc?  The AB20 disc?  CDTV titles which
>>are not guaranteed to run at all on Amigas, and which are written for a
>>keypad and a low-res display, and which have no "Amiga" features?  
>
>Use the several hundred database discs... clip arts, fonts, etc..

   Again, ***WITH WHAT***???  The vast majority of CD-ROM database discs 
available lack Amiga access and retrieval software.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Subject: Re: CD-I vs CDTV and Computer Shopper
Organization: Lotus Development Ireland
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:31:04 GMT

>	Well, In the latest Computer Shopper, (I think its the UK's
>
>CDTV.  They've got a lot of catching up to do and no amount of snide
>commentary from Amiga Shopper is going to change that.

Apologies to all - my mistake, I misread "Computer Shopper" as "Amiga
Shopper" and made a completely off-base comment based on this.

I still wonder why Computer Shopper panned it so badly.

					Jordan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Stuck in Another World II/Flashback
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:26:27 GMT

In article <!cl2-km@rpi.edu> adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics) writes:
[a discription of this guys problems with a game deleted]

Hmmm.  Who's your importer?  I'd like to know, because this game isn't
available in the States yet.  I'm not even sure if it's available anywhere
yet.  Are you having problems understanding the French?

>-pete-
>

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= : Where's the Speech?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:43:30 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
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ruocco@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (sergio ruocco) writes:
: If I remember correctly in a recent Byte issue there was an article
: presenting the AT&T 3210 (The most cited DSP so far by C=) system:
: AT&T 3210 System = Hardware : the chip 
: + Software 
: a DSP Operating Systems
: many libraries for
: Image compression/decompression : JPEG/MPEG
: Modem & transmission protocols V32,V42,MNP...
: SPEECH SYNTHESIS & RECOGNITION

Excuse me for being a bit off topic, but will AT&T DSP chip hopefully being 
used for the sound 'improvements' be also available for general number crunching
like MPEG stuff??

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.022339.20603@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> I have 8 megs RAM, and OS/2 takes up about 13 megs of HD space.  

Well, 8M of RAM by itself costs about as much as an Amiga that can multitask
games while downloading. I used to play "Tracers" while downloading on my
512K Amiga 1000.
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