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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.191543.4729@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>[stuff deleted] I think that a belt that is attached to the door will 
>not be much use in a collision that forces the door open.
>
Sorry to be a pain, but my motorized seatbelt does not attach to the
door.  It attaches to the support column.
 
>|> 3. Does the Federal government plan to require them?
>|> 
>The federal governmant wants to do everything it can to make sure we all live
>in complete and total safety from all forms of injury.  Mankind is not smart
>enough to know what is good for it and what isn't.  That's why we have a
>government; so we don't have to take responsibility for our own lives.
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(For the college-educated crowd out there:  there might be just a wee touch
>of sarcasm above)
>
No, no nooo.  That's why we have *lawyers*!  :-)
>
>-- 
>Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
>National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
>Santa Clara, Ca              
>alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers

Deb Nunn
nunn@sura.net
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Man Of Steel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Manifold Wrap to <turbo lag
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:49:01 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Just thought I'd run this by y'all.  I was looking through a parts
catalogue and saw a high-temperature wrap for the exhaust manifold
of turbo-charged engines.  The ad claimed it eliminates lag by keeping
heat on the exhaust side of the turbo, and it also prolongs life of
components by allowing parts to cool more uniformly over a long period
of time.  My amatuer opinion would be that depending on how much heat
held in by this 'wrap' engine/turbo operating temperatures would increase,
take much longer to cool.  Anyone know how/why this is good?

awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dap3257@zeus.tamu.edu (DON PERLICK)
Subject: Re: Porsche 928
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.021322.27314@athena.mit.edu>, aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt) writes...
>I'm contemplating the purchase of a '79 928, 60K mi, and seemingly in great
>condition.  I'd apprecate it if anyone who's owned this car, or a 928 in
>general, would let me know what I might look out for.  I'd be very happy to
>hear about any positive or negative experiences anyone has had with the car.

	Hey, a Road & Track about 3 years ago had an article concerning
inexpensive used exotics which included the 928.  About all I remember
from it now is that I think you should stay away from the first 3 years
of manual transmission (it came out in '78, didn't it?).  Of course, as
everyone else has said, they said the maintainance was big bucks.  Some-
thing like an $8,000 engine overhaul?  Go to the library and look it up...

Don

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jmyers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jennifer Myers)
Subject: Wider tires on 91 Ford Escort LX?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:11:58 GMT

My teen-aged brother (with whom I am corresponding long distance since 
he lives in Oregon) has purchased 195/50 15" tires (and wheels to fit)
for his 1991 Ford Escort LX.  Although the salesperson told him
these tires would fit in his car, they are apparently too wide.
This is only noticeable when there is someone in the rear seat,
then, the car frame scrapes against the tire when going over bumps.

He would like to make any necessary modifications to his car to
make the tires fit.  I, however, hate to see him spend his money
foolishly, and under poor advice.  He is proposing to get stiffer 
struts so that the car won't bounce so much as to hit the tires.

Is this a good idea? Are there better solutions?  

Thanks,
Jennifer Myers

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: s5umam@fnma.COM (Mike Mohar)
Subject: Wide Band Radar Detector Comparison
Keywords: Latest Car & Driver
Reply-To: s5umam@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:19:31 GMT

If you're interested in wide band (Ka) radar
detectors you should look at the latest issue
of Car & Driver.  They test about 6 (non-remotes)
with the Valentine finishing #1 and the BEL 966ST #2.

Mike




Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: 1970 Cougar X-R7 for sale
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:50:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: 351 Clevand V-8

In article <Bu64o7.IMx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman) writes:
>lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep3.010646.19073@octel.com> rajan@octel.com (Rajan Ranga) writes:
>>>For sale 1970 Cougar X-R7
>>>
>>>Price $8,000/o.b.o
>>>
>>    Or you could just go to a dealer and buy a 1987-88 Cougar for
>>    that kinda money....
>
>I had a '70 Cougar XR-7 Converitble (only 1,977 were made). It had air, PS,
>PB, power windows, power top, 351 Cleveland, etc. And it only cost me $400!
>
>Yes, it ran, but it went through a quart of oil every 100 miles, and it had
>a Fred Flintstone floorpan (i.e. I could stick my feet through and stop the
>car by dragging them on the ground ;-)
>
>Wish I still had it... 

These old Cougars are getting rarer all the time, that's why they are bringing
premium prices.I've got a '69 XR7-GT390 with factory a/c,leather upholstery, and
the FE-block 390 4V motor with all the factory chrome goodies on it. Yeah, I
know the rare 428CJ and Boss 429 equipped Eliminators will blow mine away, and
that it handles like sh*t, but these cars are so easy to fall in love with.
They usually have a wheelbase one inch longer than the Mustang which I think
smooths the ride quality a bit. IMHO the '69 model is the best looking, due
to the horizontal striped grill/ headlamp covers. I got mine for $800 but that 
was 15 years ago. It now needs a lot of minor body work (door dings, a little
rust, etc.) and a paint job. (it's primer gray now) and a new oil pump (the
engine has 4000 miles on a fresh overhaul and the oil pump shaft splines twisted
smooth in the distributor shaft) and the C6 tranny needs overhauled, but I
have turned down offers of over $4000 in its current condition. I hope to 
restore it someday to the condition that might get its picture on the cover
of one of the big performance car magazines (hey, what's wrong with
dreaming?) and when I die, I want to be buried in it.

P.S. I've got a complete '70 429CJ motor out of a Torino Cobra that sure
     would make the Cougar fly, but I'd have to cut up the front suspension
     to make it fit. Anybody out there interested in a 429CJ motor. It runs
     very strong. (1970 D0OE Ford p/n's all over it, 2bolt mains early CJ).

 I Love my Cougar,
 Neal Howard                       | '91 XLH-1200 (I love my Harley too)
 neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org          | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390
 CompuTrac, Inc.                   | DoD #686
 ==============================================================================
From: dlou@KRUSHER.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota Celica
Keywords: Toyota Celica
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:30:22 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <188q6pINNm35@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, ebergman@East.Sun.COM (Eric Bergman) writes:
|> I haven't heard much discussion of the Celica GT and related models.
|> Lots of stuff on the Mitsubishi triplets (Eclipse, etc) and Probes
|> and Preludes...
|> 
|> I am looking at recent Celica GT's.  What are the pluses
|> and minuses of these cars versus similar priced sport coupes?

Maybe the quantity of discussion is porportional to its desirability...

My personal opinion of the Celica is that it has gone downhill since
they switched to FWD.  Now Nissan had some conviction and kept their
SX series RWD.  If only it had a real engine... :-(

Hmm, you asked for some pluses and minuses...

minuses: it's overweight and suffers all the downfalls associated with
increased mass.

pluses: you won't see yourself coming and going as often than if you
had a diamond star or Honda.

-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
From: glaird@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Laird)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:18:20 GMT
Subject: Finally, real test data on Slick 50.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

  I know this will light up the dialog fires, but I have the results of my
own pseudo controlled test of Slick 50.  If someone had asked me what I 
thought of the product 1 week ago, I would have, and have posted on notes,
that I thought it was pure snake oil.  Well, look below.  I now have data
to indicate otherwise.

Test vehicle:

    1989 Cougar XR7, w/3.8L Supercharged V-6.
    approx. 30K miles
    Same state of tune as in all mileage tests over this same course.

Test course:

    Road/distance between San Jose, CA. and Phoenix Arizona.  It is exactly
735 miles door to door to our friends home.  

Test Conditions:

    Used "Gunk's" equivalent to "Slick 50".  Currently in crankcase.  However
one quart was replace when I replaced the oil filter at 800 miles into the
oil change.  I was worried about reports of clogged filters.  I replaced
the filter, figuring that the big globs were caught.
    Started with full tank.  Filled tank immediately upon arrival.  Computed
overall mileage.  Travel time approx. 11 hours.  This is within 20 minutes
of the usual travel time.  Ambient conditions approximately the same as
previous multiple trips.  All Interstate droning, with cruise control.

Previous results:
    On only one rare, ideal day, with extra tuning help have I ever gotten
25 mpg out of this car.  For the last 30K miles, at the average speeds
indicated in the test conditions, I normally see something in the range
of 23 to 24 mpg.  On some occasions, I see worse mileage under similar
conditions.

Test results:
    Average gas mileage computed over 735 mile trip down => 25.7 mpg.
    On a less than controlled leg back at speeds much higher into a head
wind, over 400 miles => 25.0 mpg.

Opinions & Conclusions:

   I'm convinced that the contributing factor to my improved mileage is
Slick 50.  After study and consideration of other variables, I have 
discounted other factors as insignificant.
From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anybody into 64-73 musclecars
Summary: Hahahaha. :-)
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:11:14 GMT
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Sep10.113216.29719@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, hess@decoy.uucp (25441-hess) writes:
> In article <195@mogun.UUCP> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep8.145608.12952@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet) writes:
> >> In article <1992Sep08.120509.4829@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
> >> >
> 
> On this news group?? You've got to be kidding!! their just trying to figure
> out which Japaneese car company built something called "musclecar" tween
> 1960 and 1970 thats all.

 
Ha! =8^)

As funny as this is it's probably true.



> M.K.Hess
> 1970 GTO Judge

So which engine does your Judge have? 
                      
                                          
                     
                     |                    
                     | David Gunsul       
                     | dcg@mogun.uucp      
                     |------------------------------------------------
                     |  It's amazing what $2,500 worth of big block
                     |  will do to $60,000 worth of high technology. 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: romansks@unvax.union.edu (Steve Romanski)
Subject: Re: Wider tires on 91 Ford Escort LX?
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:32:56 GMT

jmyers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jennifer Myers) writes:

>My teen-aged brother (with whom I am corresponding long distance since 
>he lives in Oregon) has purchased 195/50 15" tires (and wheels to fit)
>for his 1991 Ford Escort LX.  Although the salesperson told him
>these tires would fit in his car, they are apparently too wide.
>This is only noticeable when there is someone in the rear seat,
>then, the car frame scrapes against the tire when going over bumps.

>He would like to make any necessary modifications to his car to
>make the tires fit.  I, however, hate to see him spend his money
>foolishly, and under poor advice.  He is proposing to get stiffer 
>struts so that the car won't bounce so much as to hit the tires.

>Is this a good idea? Are there better solutions?  

The front end specifically the tie rods in escorts wear out very quickly,
by putting wider tires on this car they will wear out even faster.

The stiffer struts will put even more stress on these parts. 

My ford dealership told me that 30,000 miles is an expected life
expectency of these parts if he is going to drive the car a little harder
it might be less.


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cebuhar@QueensU.CA (Wen Cebuhar)
Subject: Re: Saturn, Honda, and Japan
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:18:47 GMT

In article <crepeau.716474000@coal9> crepeau@rtsg.mot.com (Daniel B. Crepeau) writes:
>>combined than the market is NOT closed. And how can American car companies
>>b*tch about Japan not buying their product when the steering wheel is
>>on the wrong side ? Yes, it is expensive but the Japanese paid the costs
>>to get the market...
>
>Does Honda go though the same entry process as a NON Japanese company.
>	1) Each and every single car goes though an inspection

I believe this is no longer true.


>	2) Tariffs added to each car.

This is definitely false. There are no tariffs.


>	Both which are equivalent to a 30-40% increase in price. 

It is true that there are extra costs, but mainly due to the distribution
system, high cost of land and buildings, and other start-up expenses. 
But, if American car companies really want to sell in Japan, they will
have to absorb those costs for a few years, until they build up market
share (this is the way the Japanese companies have done it here).


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Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: vuksan@cs.swarthmore.edu (Mario Vuksan)
Subject: QUESTION ABOUT SALVAGED CARS!!!!!!!!
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:48:40 GMT


I have a question regarding car sale. I hope somebody will
be able to help me.

I have sold my car (Mazda GLC 1981) last week.  My mother
has encountered the guy interested in buying it.  He saw the
car, drove it around the yard, and decided that he likes it, 
and that he is interested in buying it.  The car is decently
old, and it went though a traffic accident, so the body is not
perfect (and this guy has seen it).

I talked to guy, and we agreed on the price, and exchanged 
signed contracts through fax.  Then I received a check on 
half the amount in mail (the rest should come later), and
I have send him the Certificate of Title (He is in CA, I am
in PA, and Certificate is issued by California DMV).

The problem occured today when he called me saying that
he was not aware that the car is "salvaged", as it was 
stated on the Certificate of Title.  He claimed that the fact
that I haven't told him that it said "salvaged" on the
Certificate of Title invalidates the contract.

Now, a question: Is this right?

My ambiguities are that I was not even aware what the
word "salvaged" means (I am not 100% native speaker),
that he has seen the damaged body on of the car (even 
driven it) for which I have a witness, and that he has signed
a contract authorizing the sale (though in contract did not
say that the care is salvaged).

I am really desperate for help.  If anybody knows anything
please let me know.  Thanks in advance,

Mario Vuksan
E-mail:vuksan@cs.swarthmore.edu
,

,
From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:36:02 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <26165@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>
>Nobody _needs_ a Mercedes.  Its physical functions can be provided by
>a Ford Tempo.  So you have to look at why people _want_ a Mercedes.

By the same token, nobody _needs_ an automobile.  Its physical functions
can be provided by your feet!  Or, if you really want luxury, try public
transportation!

People who own Mercedes' do so for many of the same reasons that people own
cars in general:  convenient, reliable, comfortable transportation.  It just
boils down to the law of diminishing returns:  we (as people generally) continue
to want more and more.  The car you drive today with air conditioning and automatic
transmission, power steering, power brakes and tubeless whitewall tires would have
been extravagant 40 years ago.  Our standards just change.  If you're not careful,
you may end up being one of those terrible people who drives a Mercedes some day!
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: MPG (was: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...)
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:15:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of 14 Sep 92 14:41:31 GMT

In article <7740222@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider) writes:

	   True, but wasn't it 1986 that GM began selling the Chevy Sprint
	   (which became the metro)? I agree that Honda was the winner some
	   time back, but, given that there has been a sprint/metro out
	   there for ~6 years Honda had an easy non-moving target to shoot
	   for and failed to beat it. Given the reviews on the VX, Honda's
	   highest MPG car now, it sounds equally wimpy as well. Anybody got
	   actual performance (I use the term very loosely) figures for
	   these two cars (the Honda VX and the Metro XFI)?

Maybe Honda just aren't very interested in providing a car with great fuel
economy.  Much more profitable, I would have thought, to sell luxury cars
with a higher profit margin, rather than scrabbling about at the cheapest end
of the market.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarzw@lonex.rl.af.mil (Walter Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Ford Explorer Discussion
Organization: RL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:08:35 GMT

In article <10090.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) writes:

>  No other problems since
>(other than it handles like a bus, but that is to be expected on a SUV ;-)).

Why do you think that is '... to be expected ...'?  Maybe you should test-drive
a Dodge RamCharger (while there are still some around :-( ).  The Ford yuppie
SUV (aka 'Explorer' == re-skinned Bronco II) wallows like a garbage scow
in comparison to the RamCharger (I've owned RamChargers since 1975 and suffered
with an Explorer as a rental car in Dallas, TX).  The Fords continously-
variable camber front-end makes driving the thing a nightmare...  Give me
a nice, dependable, predictable solid frontend, preferable a Dana 60, but
a 44 will suffice.

Walt K.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:38:38 GMT

In article <24790@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:

[much stuff about science deleted  :)]

#1) A fluid may boil at 400F, but that's at atmospheric pressure.
    As you increase the external pressure on a fluid, you increase
    the temperature at which the fluid boils.  The pressure in the
    brake line should be high enough to prevent the brake fluid
    from boiling.

#2) If the brake fluid did boil, and there were no leaks in the
    system, then the brake pedal would be pushed upward due to
    the volume expansion of the system.  Has anyone ever seen
    brake-fluid forced out of a brake system because it came to
    a boil and the internal system pressure exceeded the strength
    of fittings/lines/etc?

I have been told that drum brake fade is due to heat-induced
expansion of the outer edges of the drum, which increases the   
distance between that part of the drum and the brake shoe.
This leads to a reduced braking surface area, and hence more pressure
must be applied to the brake pedal to maintain the same degree of
braking.  This is believable, and boiling fluid is not.

#3) What about the bad points about disks?
     -> exposure of the disk leads to trapped material between
        disk and pad
     -> corrosion is easier
     -> water puddles / wet roads / generally wet conditions
        can interfere with braking
     -> comprimises and sacrifices are being made on the altar of
        "unsprung weight" leading to weaker designs
     -> Saftey or parking brake setup is more complicated

I have yet to be in a panic braking situation (ie 60 to zero), but
I will try it out (safely) and I will report on this fading effect.
I must say that, having driven front disk / rear drum cars, I
much prefer the solid feel of 4 wheel drum to the mushy feeling
of front disks...
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharon@tc.fluke.COM (Sharon Drasnin)
Subject: saab repair recommendations
Keywords: saab repair
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:32:38 GMT

hi,
	
	Does anybody have recommendations on a SAAB mechanic who does
good work at a decent price?  I don't mind if this is someone who
works out of his home, etc.

        I usually take my 1979 SAAB 900 turbo to Swedish Automotive in
West Seattle.  They do a good job, but are pretty expensive. I've also
heard that Saabmasters is comparable in price.


thanks in advance,
sharon
From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anybody into 64-73 musclecars
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:43:37 GMT
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Sep8.145608.12952@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet) writes:
> In article <1992Sep08.120509.4829@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
> >
> >answer: No
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> What is your problem?

He obviously has no taste.     
                      
                                          
                     
                     |                    
                     | David Gunsul       
                     | dcg@mogun.uucp      
                     |------------------------------------------------
                     |  It's amazing what $2,500 worth of big block
                     |  will do to $60,000 worth of high technology.