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From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Subject: Re: PTP FAQ (PURSUE THE PENNANT PC BASEBALL)
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:49:12 GMT



	I wonder how big of a sample some comments are coming from. I'm
not saying they're not valid, but it would be helpful if future posts included
"games played" or some such.
	I agree on the pitchers sometimes getting shelled, and that it 
does seem random, but it doesn't happen that much, and it does even out. I
see nothing inappropriate in streaks of 9-of-10 batters getting out - I 
mean, really. That isn't unusual. Neither is good pitchers getting shelled, 
being left in, and coming back, in real life. I haven't seen very many games
that wouldn't reasonably happen in real life. Clemens gets shelled. It happens.

	For the record, I'm at probably 2,000 games of PTP through all of the
versions, 300 or 400 games of 4.0 (I play while I watch hockey...15-20 PTP
games during one Red Wings game isn't unusual. :)

	PTP's address:
		Pursue the Pennant
		P.O. Box 19703
		Greensboro, NC 27419

		(919) 294-0028

	PTP is *NOT* currently available anywhere other than through them.
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From: hearth@Unify.Com (Donald S. Hearth)
Subject: AL & NL Stats (Was Re: Stats?)
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:24:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.124535.19432@news.acns.nwu.edu> erude@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak) writes:
>
>	Is anyone still posting stats to this group?  I found the Elias (USA
>Today?) stats that used to come in pretty handy for running my Roto league.
>If anyone is getting these stats online and can post, it would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>-- Erick

   I am the one who usually posts the stats. I just got back from vacation.
   My source of the stats sent me 2 copies of last weeks AL stats, but no
   stats for this week (ending last Sunday). I was waiting for the new
   stats before I posted, but since my source is not answering my queries,
   I must assume that he is not able to access his computer. I will post 
   the AL stats soon, but I have no NL stats to post until I get some new
   ones.

										Don
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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Jays 15
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:43:11 GMT

In <Bu0rtC.Mrx@math.uwaterloo.ca> The FASS Theatre Company <fass@math.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

>Keeping in mind that Carter, Henke, Key, Lee, Maldonado, Winfield, and Cone
>are all up for free agency here are the 15 Jays I would protect:

>John Olerud 1B
>Robbie Alomar 2B
>Kelly Gruber 3B (sue me I've always liked Kelly)
>Devon White CF
>Turner Ward OF
>Derek Bell OF
>Par Borders C
>Carlos Delgato (sp?) C
>Ed Sprague C
>Jack Morris P
>Juan Guzman P
>Todd StottlemeyerP
>Duane Ward P
>Mike Timlin P
>Randy Knorr C
> 

what about David Wells? and Eichhorn? You want Timlin ahead of them?  As
for Gruber...well he did hit a grand slam last night, but still...

rm
 

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From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:11:02 GMT


In a previous article, dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) says:

>In article <BtnDHz.9z0@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> eboritz@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Efrim Boritz) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.120739.2125@merrimack.edu> desmondw@merrimack.edu writes:
>>>
>>>                            2. Alomar(2nd base)
>>>                            3. Carter(OF)
>>>                            4. Winfield(DH)
>>>                            5. Olerud (1st base)
>>
>>Why does everyone (including Cito) put Olerud down here? Bat him third.
>>Hell, bat him second.
>
>People don't want to bat John near the top of the order because:
>(a) he has power (and is likely to increase his power as he ages);
>(b) he is really, really slow.
>
>Have there been many teams who put a really slow player at the top of
>their lineup?  Did the greater OBP more than offset the decreased
>likelihood of scoring from second with a two-out single?  Does
>anybody know?

  Texas uses Brian Downing at leadoff, and I think California used to do
the same thing.  It's always seemed to me like a colossal waste of his
power.  He strikes me as a great #5 hitter.

SfH
>-- 

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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Reds vs. Mets
Keywords: score
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:19:29 GMT

In article <chehhm.715117758@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao) writes:
>      Dose anybody post the scores of Reds/Mets series playing these two days?
>   Thanks,
>
The Mets swept the series.  Ugh.  Blechh. @#$%!!

Scott Bankhead lost a one run lead in the eighth inning for Jose Rijo:
  Reds 3,  Mets 4

The second game of the doubleheader Friday featured Steve Foster in his first
appearance as a starter for the Reds.  It will probably be his last.  
  Reds 1, Mets 12

Saturday's game was a good-'ol-good-one.  A two base throwing error by Joe Oliver
loomed large as the Reds lost a one-run lead and could never quite come back.
  Reds 5, Mets 6  (or was it 4-5?  It was a one-run game, anyway)

Sunday's game just killed me.  Tim belcher sailed along through eight innings, 
giving up 1 run one three hits.  All those hits came in the first inning, and
Belcher proceded to retire the final 23 batters he faced.  With a two run
lead and Cinci desperately trying to avoid a four-game sweep, and with the
knowledge that Atlanta had lost earlier, Lou Piniella decided to pitch Rob
Dibble in the ninth.  Dibble walked a batter, got an out, walked a batter, 
got an out, then faced Bobby Bonilla.
  Reds 3, Mets 4.  (You figure it out.)

It has been a very trying weekend.  A news report said Piniella threw a
chair through a soda machine.  Dibble was quoted as lashing out "You saw what 
happened out there.  What else is there to say?"

Atlanta left the door open this weekend by losing two of three in Philadelphia.
Had Cinci won at least the two games in which they had eighth inning leads, 
they would have been just 3 games out today.  Now it's at 5 games.  CRAP!!


THIS CAN'T CONTINUE!!  Fortunately, though, the Reds are home for the next seven.
Atlanta moves into New York tonight for a four-game series.  I wonder if the
mets can make it 11 in a row?

Greg Swindell will miss at least one more start due to back pain.
Tom Bolton 2-2 will pitch tonight against Nabholz 9-9.  Tim Pugh will likely get
called up tomorrow for the Sept. 1 game.  Jose Rijo will probably pitch Wednesday.


RStimets
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cone and Overwork?
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:29:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <49aJ02Hb20oT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>I can't wait to hear someone now talk about how pitchers just don't have
> balls anymore,
>how they used to walk 50 miles in the snow without shoes to
>get to a game. Then they'd start and finish both ends of a double header, extra
>innings or not.
>
>Then they'd do it again on 2 days rest. 
>
>Michael Wong
>msw10@nepenthe

Gosh, do you remember that, too?  Don't forget how they used to sell
tickets before the game, clean up the park after the game, 
and do triathelons between games of doubleheaders.  And then
they would donate their salaries to charity.

The Game just isn't what it used to be.  Sigh!          :-)  
-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |
From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mitme5.28AUG199212350583
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug27.194108.11352@midway.uchicago.edu>, mard@midway.uchicago.edu                    writes...
> 
>	Excepting, of course, the fact that the Jays need a guy like Cone to 
>win it all this year...
>	Woof: which they won't, since the Braves will take them in 4 games.
> 
This assumes that the Braves will make it past the Expos in the NLCS which is 
not very likely. After all, les Expos adore to play against Tom Glavine and 
Steve Avery and have a starting staff just somewhat worse than the Braves but 
have a better bullpen with Wetteland, Rojas and Fassero.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Wed, Aug 26th, 1992
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:57:49 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


        MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		 --		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
Cincinnati Reds		z35		        Montreal Expos		z35
San Diego Padres	z31		        Chicago Cubs		 30
San Francisco Giants	 22		        St. Louis Cardinals     z29
Houston Astros		 20		        New York Mets           z25
Los Angeles Dodgers	 16		        Philadelphia Phillies	 19

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	 --
Minnesota Twins		 30		        Baltimore Orioles	z35
Chicago White Sox	z30		        Milwaukee Brewers	 34
Texas Rangers		z21		        Detroit Tigers          z26
Kansas City Royals       19		        Cleveland Indians        25
California Angels        18		        New York Yankees        z24
Seattle Mariners	z13		        Boston Red Sox          z23
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Tigers/Twins  Game-9 8/26/92
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:25:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19909
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


 Twins scratch a win; Tigers/Twins..Game-9   8/26/92

        Tigers ......... 0 ; Twins ..........  1

phew...The Twins after struggling all evening won this 9th game
with the Tigers on a Harper line-drive-homer in the bottom of
the 9th after stranding baserunners for majority of the preceding
8 exasperating innings.

Prior to this John Smiley, who picked up his 14th win(14-6)
escaped an 8th inning jam after Deer had a lead-off double.
With runners on 1st and 3rd and with only 1-out, Smiley
displayed some clutch piching and bailed out aided by some
superb fielding by Knoblauch and Bush, who coverted hits
into cathes and prevented sure runs.

With Oakland losing today to Boston, the Twins have crawled
to within half a dozen games of the "We will not slump" As.

Tomorrow, the Twins open up a 4-game series with the Yankees.
The Twins have won 6 of the 9 games played so far this season
with the Tigers.

S.H
forever Twins
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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:37:30 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

August 31
Frank Robinson, 1935 (HOF)
Eddie Plank, 1875 (HOF)
Ray Dandridge, 1913 (HOF)
Von Hayes, 1958
Tom Candiotti, 1957
Claudell Washington, 1954
Tracy Stallard, 1937

--Steve
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 University of Washington HR-20   *    			-- Bill Plummer
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From: daniel@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Daniel Read)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:40:41 GMT
Subject: Re: MLB Magic Numbers for Thu, Aug 27th, 1992
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball


What caught me by surprise (not having thought about it very long or hard)
is that NOBODY is mathematically eliminated yet.

Leads me to wonder:
What's the latest date that the first team has been mathematically eliminated?

Daniel "just curious" Read
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:36:40 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Sep02.161808.27587@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:

>	You're right about defense and running ability, but I was solely 
>	arguing RBI ability.

RBI ability seems to be the ability to get plate appearances with
runners on base.  Fielder is ``good'' at this...


>True, but again, who's currently leading in RBIs? Unless my Sunday
>paper had a typo, Fielder was the only ML player currently with more
>than 100 RBI.

Yes, Fielder has a lot of RBI.  *That* is a meaningless stat,
in and of itself.  Look deeper, at his total contribution.
Fielder is not a terrible player, but he's not great either.
He falls squarely into the "mediocre". It should be obvious,
unless you get blinded by the RBI stuff.  Yes, he has a lot
of RBI.  But he has a lot of opportunity. 

...

 
[thf]
>> But that's as much because of Whitaker, Phillips, and Tettleton (all better
>> players than Fielder) ... 

>I think you're dreaming if you think any of those three players could
>outperform Fielder at the plate; even with three Rickey Hendersons
>batting in front of them. 

But they currently *do* outperform Cecil at the plate!  
I don't understand your point.  I will posit that all of them
would have more RBI/outs made than Fielder given equal opportunity.
Since we can't run the experiment, we'll never really know...

...
 
>> It's winning games that counts -- and in terms of winning games, 
>> Fielder wasn't even the most valuable player on his team, much less the AL.

>I disagree, but I guess that's axiomatic. 

No, you disagree because he has a lot of RBI and you think that
RBI is some indication of ability to generate wins.  Sometimes
RBI mean you did a good thing, but raw totals are primarily an
indication of *opportunity*.  Some things we know are impressive,
because the maximum opportunity level is understood - e.g., 190
RBI in a single season is liable to indicate *both* opps and
performance. (though of course we can construct scenarios with
near zero probability which show that performance was negative -
e.g. 100 sac flies and 90 groundouts...) 

>Anyway, one other person 
>mentioned that the Tigers did not lead the league in runs last year.
>The Tigers currently lead the AL in runs scored, as they did in 1991
>I'm not sure about 1990. Perhaps someone could post the numbers??

Texas was first last year and Toronto in 1990.  I believe the Tigers 
were second in runs in both 1991 and 1990.  Don't have the numbers 
handy.


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From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Subject: Fair weather fans. (was: Reds are catching up) 
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:32:42 GMT


	As a looong time Braves fan (can you say Biff Poceroba
	and Bruce Sutter? ) I get a little ticked at all the
	Braves "fans" who have come out of the woodwork in the
	last year.  I have been watching them and rooting for
	them for the last 12 years.  Then there are people 
	(like my brother in law) who don't watch baseball
	until the World Series and manage to get ahold of
	tickets just so they can say they went.  I have
	more respect for a die hard (insert loosing team 
	here) fan than I do for these people who like whoever
	happens to be winning.


	Kit



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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles get Craig Lefferts
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:50:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1SEP199217534406@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
...
>Does anyone know Lefferts' contract situation--I sure hope that the O's
>have done more than rented Lefferts for the rest of the race.  

He is at the end of a contract, however, he is subject to some
funny rule about how many times you can be a free agent in some
period of time.  I think the result is that there is either an
option for 1993 or an option for arbitration...  I'll look it
up if I can find it...


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From: lws@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:22:58 GMT
X-Posted-From: sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug26.120739.2125@merrimack.edu> desmondw@merrimack.edu writes:

>    I was reading the local newspaper in Boston today and came across an
>article about Wade Boggs being frustrated with the Red Sox and says he
>doubts he will be returning next year. He is a free agent and wants a deal
>similar to Ripkens. The Sox have already told him no way. So I was thinking
>how great it would be if the Jays snatched him in the off season. They
>definately could use a good hitting 3rd baseman(Grubers lousy) and they
>REALLY need a lead off hitter which Boggs also does well. He is the perfect
>addition to the Jays lineup. Take a look:

>                            1. Boggs (3rd base)
>                            2. Alomar(2nd base)
>                            3. Carter(OF)
>                            4. Winfield(DH)
>                            5. Olerud (1st base)
>                            6. Maldanado (OF)
>                            7. White (OF)
>                            8. Borders(C)
>                            9. Lee (S)
>   This looks pretty unbeatable to me!
>                                                Bill

   Boggs cannot hit anymore outside Fenway Park. I do think the Great
Green Wall has been helping him much for his BA. In addition, Boggs
is not an ideal leadoff hitter, although he always has good OBP. He
is too slow to bat ahead Alomar, who may be a better candidate for
the leadoff job.

   Are you sure that Boggs is a better 3rd baseman than Gruber and Kent?
Kent is hitting well for this season, and Gruber had ever showed his power
before entering this season. I cannot see the point to sign Boggs with a
Ripken-like contract. He doesn't worth that much.

WenHsiang Lin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: GC.TLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (No Comment)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster trade
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:12:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.043917.22083@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.040424.13081@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>
>>But what will Oakland look like next year?  Their free agents include
>>Ruben Sierra, Mike Moore, Dave Stewart, Jeff Russell, Mark McGwire,
>>Ron Darling, Terry Steinbach, Harold Baines, Rick Honeycutt, Gene
>>Nelson, Willie Wilson, Kelly Downs, Carney Lansford, Randy Ready,
>>Jamie Quirk, and Rich Gossage.
>>
>>That's 16 players from the 25 man roster.  Two thirds of the team!
>>It'll be a fun winter in Oakland!
>>
>
>It certainly looks like someone in Oakland was preparing for the
>expansion draft...
>
>Gerald
>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The A's have been whining about their payroll- so what do they do?
Dump a contracted player for 2 free agents. YYYEEEESSSHHH.
Quick tally- bare minimums- Ruben Sierra $5+, Mike Moore $3-4,
Stew $3+(?-better finish well),Darling $3+, Steinie 3+,
Big Mac $3-4, Carnie $2+, Baines, Quirk, Ready, Honey, Russel,
Downes(if Tony's got a deathwish), Gossage(it's either pitch or
Social Security),

oh, yeah, and Nelson- pitching for tips.

I think I will go home and slit my wrists now.

I did save some money on season tickets for next year.

WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH.........

Terrance
the Wonder Weasel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Mike Morgan: whoa!
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:35 GMT

In article AKM@news.cso.uiuc.edu, jbs21045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joe Sterbenc) writes:
>I must take back what I said earlier. I was one of the loudest complainers
>when the Cubs signed Mikey; I said he'd give them a solid 220 innings of 
>subpar pitching.
>
>This week I heard ESPN use Morgan and Cy Young in the same sentence, and
>the word Maddux wasn't there.
>
>I think Maddux is easily most deserving, but I heard an amazing stat about
>Morgan. Since his first two starts, his season ERA has been below 2.
>
>Sorry I doubted you Mike (just because you never had a season nearly this
>good since high school! what gives?!?!)

Pretty amazing. I knew Morgan would give the Cubbies solid pitching, much like
what the Eck was able to do under the influence. That key stat only confirms
what kind of season Morgan has had and what Larry Himes thought he was
capable of on a yearly basis.

Now, if we only can hold onto Mad Dog for another few seasons and Dunston,
Derrick, and the rest of them go on some consistent tear, the Cubs would
be onto something. And maybe a big-time stopper.


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--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |  68-64, 3-game series
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~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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