HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: prall@seas.gwu.edu (David C. Prall)
Subject: Re: Where can I get bootlegs?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:02:32 GMT


For everyone looking for bootlegs, checkout Goldmine magazine.  There are a
hundred different dealers in there that specialize in bootleg and import CD's.
I deal a lot with Nodomestix CD Importers, they deal with a few very new 
bootlegs and their prices are reasonable.  Also, there is a guy on the net
that deals in Bootlegs only.  If anyone would like his e-mail address just 
e-mail me with a request.

		Hope this helps,
			David Prall
			prall@sparko.seas.gwu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:06:52 EDT
From: <TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Kill Hetfield

In article <1992Sep5.034012.2035@seas.gwu.edu>, maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple M.
Moriji) says:

>So now it is all up to the "Metal Up Your Ass" fans to kill this fucking
>poser hetfield, when he comes around to your town.  You might also wanna
>get rid of Lars.

>The future of Metallica lies in your hands!

 >President Maple

Oh, yeah, as if getting rid of the world's greatest drum god would be a good
thing!  Man, stay the Hell off this newsgroup!!!  You, like your lover Sore-On,
are a disgrace to the net!  You bitch and moan about those you consider posers
and suggest they get their own newsgroup, then you ruin them by starting shit
like this!  GO AWAY!!!!!  WE DON'T WANT ANY!!!!!!!!

                     -Bill
 "Die  by  my  hands!"
  { DIE! DIE! DIE! }
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: fskks1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Hetfield is back
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:15:00 GMT

I saw on a message from someone in Boston? that hetfield played 
guitar on enter snadman...the last song of the set.
 
If this is true, I'm glad to have him back.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Sorry to new Metallica fan!
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:23:38 GMT

I recently printed a followup article to a new Metallica fan, attacking him
for getting into Metallica NOW with Nothing Else Matters.  I apologize for
the rude comments, but I'm sick and tired of hearing people who used to
tell me that Metallica sucked, now jamming to them with not so much as a
glance to me.  I didn't notice that you were from out of the country!  I
don't know if it makes much difference, but then in America we see that
type of followings alot.

To answer your questions:
	I find Ride The Lightning to be the best Metallica album, but like
said earlier, they all are good.  The black album (as it is being reffered
as) is pretty good, but not your standard Metallica album!
	There really are no other acoustical songs like Nothing Else
Matters, but if you like the slower 'like ballad' tunes, I definitely
recommend Fade to Black!  It's off the RTL album!  Then again I'd recommend
to everybody regardless of their tastes!

Again, I apologize!  I jumped to conclusions!  I'm glad to hear the Mighty
Met has a new fan, and I hope you enjoy them!

			-Casey Hopkins
			hopkins@agora.rain.com
From: 9018767a@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:39:23 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

This crap from Mapple etc.. is getting so boring.  Even after a vacation he
still can't come with anything new (or relevant) to say.  I've had enough I'm
deregistering from this newsgroup.

It's got me fucked why it's even called .metal when all it is is a bunch of
attention starved idiots trying to niggle each other.  Tell me Mapple, do you
shoot your load when you read a reply to your crap?  (If so, then this should
give you sticky jocks).

To all the serious metal fans who write in to this group, farewell, to the rest
of you, go and fuck yourselves (I'm sure you've tried).

Scotti Pharlap Elvis Ringo Madonna Carrisma.

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:47:19 -0400 
From: Kerwin Yap Chua <kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Future of this group.
	<BuKKrE.MvI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

>         are you implying that there is a DIO mailing list?!?!
> 
>            where ? if not, why not!?
> 
>                                     azrael

I too, am interested.  In a nutshell.  


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll.metal:10002 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:2860
From: turner5427@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Please READ this! Future of this group
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:22:23 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I've got an idea.  The .metal and .metal.heavy newsgroups are pretty informal. 
We really don't DO anything productive.  It'd be kind of nice if, first, we
made out a list with each others names, id's, and info (like three favorite
groups, five favorite albums, you know shit like that).  We could post it once
and a while when we have new people added.  That way, we would have user names
all listed out with info on other people who listen to the same stuff as us.

Second, I was thinking mabey we could do something like make a big list of all
the albums we listen to and give 'em a rank (5 stars to 0 stars).  Each person
in the METAL USERS LIST (see above; NOT the official list name!) would rank the
albums we pick and the AVERAGE would be taken.  We could post this periodically
and we could see if mabey there are albums we should get that we don't have,
cause everyone else thinks its great!

I don't know.  What do you all think?  We'd also need people to be in charge. 
Mabey elect them or something.

tt.. (Tom Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Subject: Ugly Kid Joe
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:35:50 GMT

Has anyone seen Ugly Kid Joe live?
I have heard they will be here in Cambridge (UK) sometime in October with 
Megadeth a couple of weeks earlier. 
It's about time I got their new album...

I seem to have answered my own posting about Thunder's new album. I bought it
yesterday. I have only listened to it once but it's good. The same sort of
style as the first (?) one, Backstreet Symphony.

BTW I don't really care what a band is like (posers or not). If I like the 
music, I listen to it. If I don't, I don't listen to it. I do _not_ start 
bitching about bands I don't like in these groups or anywhere else!!

Posers, flamers, etc   Fuck the lot of you!

Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)

-- 
Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlative
suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".
From: v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (CONSTANTINOS I. ORFANOS)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: John Sykes, Blue Murder
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep11.125134.5420@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes...

>Carmine started in the industry much earlier than his younger brother Vinnie.
>He came out as a member of Vanilla Fudge in the late 60's, went to Cactus 
>with Tim Bogert, and members of the Detroit Wheels, formed Beck, Bogert, and   
>Appice, played on most of Rod Stewarts 70's hits <I believe you can see him
>in the vid for "Hot Legs">, did some solo records, and bummed around assorted
>sessions until the birth of "King Kobra". Blue Murder is pry the best thing
>he has been involved in, in years, as a band project. 
> 

       If I remember correctly, Carmine also played on Ozzy Osbourne's "Bark at
 The Moon" LP and on the tour, just before creating King Kobra.



> 
>					--Judex--


                                   Dino Orfanos
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive:120 alt.music.progressive:2403
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:10:23 EDT
From: <DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive,alt.music.progressive
Subject: That Dream Theater release I heard about

Greetings.

     I read something about a Dream Theater release including a 20-minute
 song or something.  Be it as it may, a rumor still at this point, could
 someone just re-iterate it to me at my e-mail address (dab112@psuvm.psu.edu)
 I would be most thankful!!!

                                   David A. Barro
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: abaio@claudius.pica.army.mil (Angelo Baio )
Subject: ROCK AND ROLL
Originator: abaio@claudius
Organization: U.S. Army  Armament Research Development & Engineering Center, Dover NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:29:06 GMT

Some of the new metal bands are okay, BUT give me the metal bands of 
the 60's and 70's anyday. Long Live Aerosmith, Sabbath, and of course
LONG LIVE ROCK AND ROLL.



Good evening people welcome to the show
there's something here I want you all to know
                                    AEROSMITH


Yea fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes 
                               Sabbath

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Fates Warning: discography anyone?
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:55:36 GMT
Summary: no I'm not
Keywords: help I'm a bug!


Does anyone have an annotated discography for Fates Warning?  All I've heard
is Parallels (which I think is excellent) and I'm wondering what else they
have.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find *anything* else by them.
Is there stuff out of print?
--
Ken			"You're right about the moon
jester@crash.cts.com	 but wrong about the stars"--J. Browne
ucsd!crash!jester
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd )
Subject: Re: Dream Theatre
Originator: mds5142@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:39:46 GMT

I just thought I'd throw my two cents in on this group.  Yes, I agree
that they are an amazing band.  Each member is very talented at his
respective instrument, including the vocalist.  I have both albums and I
think they are just getting better.  The next album should be truly
priceless if they keep up this pace.  Apparantly, they have influence
from many, many different bands, including Rush, Fates Warning, and Iron
Maiden.  I definitely recommend every fan of progressive metal to give
this album a listen (and 1000 more listens if you're like me :-)

Little nitpick, they are Dream Theater (not theatre).  Fates Warning
mispelled DT's name in their latest album's liner notes, so Dream
Theater listed Fatez Warning (jus' kiddin'!!) in their lines notes on I&W.

BTW, I'd be interested in a Dream Theater/Fates Warning mailing list, if
anyone has the time to start one.  Thanks.

Big DT Fan,
Mike
-- 
*       Michael Shepherd       *  Maybe some things are instinctive   *
*   mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu   *  But there's one thing you could do  *
*              or              *  You could try to understand me -    *
*  shepherd.wbst129@xerox.com  *  I could try to understand you       *
From: TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Living Colour/King's X
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:25:31 GMT
 <16604@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> <1992Sep4.062633.4702@ctr.columbia.edu>
 <1992Sep4.161157.442@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

So has anyone heard anything about Living Colour's new record (ie: due date,
title, previews, etc.)?

Thanks,
       -Bill
"I was me, but now he's gone." -MetallicA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: mojo@reed.edu (cold blue steel and sweet fire)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Fates Warning: discography anyone?
Keywords: help I'm a bug!
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:24:14 GMT
Organization: Youth Hostile, Portland, OR Else


This goes round in alt.rock-n-roll.metal every so often; we should have a
FAQ list...

There are six Fates Warning albums, mostly on Metal Blade, all pretty
readily available.

_Night on Brocken_ is very Iron Maiden-influenced, barely produced at all,
and a little uneven in the songwriting arena.  I like it, but it's the
wrong album to start with.  IMHO, John Arch hadn't really gotten control of
his voice yet.

_The Spectre Within_ is about halfway between _NoB_ and _Awaken the Guardian_
stylistically.  It's less rhythmically predictable than its predecessor, the
vocals are a lot better, and the songwriting starts to come together.  Still
very little production (in particular, the drums are inaudible a lot of the
time).

_Awaken the Guardian_ is my favourite; by this time I think they pretty much
had their Maiden influences down to a manageable level (though others
disagree) and, while the production isn't so slick as to get in the way, it
doesn't sound like someone recorded their garage band.  Lots of time
changes a la Mercyful Fate, and the vocals are *brilliant*.

_No Exit_ is a whole lot more produced; the songs are similar to those on
_AtG_, but it all comes off sounding too slick for me.  The exception is
"The Ivory Gate of Dreams," which takes up all of side 2 and is pretty
amazing if you like long progressive-metal epics (I do).  New vocalist (Ray
Alder), who I can't judge fairly as I don't listen to this album much (or
the later ones).

IMHO, _Perfect Symmetry_ is a mild failure, but everybody else seems to
love it.  It sounds a lot more commercial and Queensryche-clonish to my
ears---"uh, guys, this is supposed to be progressive, so we have to sound
like the established progressive bands..."

I've only heard one song on _Parallels_---I forget the title, it was the
flagship track that MTV played---and I thought it was a bad Queensryche copy
band until the caption at the end of the video came up.

As far as I can tell, people who like late FW stuff like _Parallels_, and
people who like the early stuff like _The Spectre Within_ or _Awaken the
Guardian_.

his tears rust the clock and he died as well

	NT
-- 
<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<><<<<>>>>>
Roses are red, violets are blue,           |       Nathan Tenny
Rhymes can be typeset with BoXes and glue. |        mojo@reed.edu
	- the TeXBook                      |        tenny@euclid.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: bkranjan@eos.ncsu.edu (BHARAT KRIS RANJAN)
Subject: Drean Theater... my 2cents worth!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:42:25 GMT

Greets,

   I've seen a lot of postings on DT lately, so I thought I'd add my opinions.

First off... their new album, Images and Words, is one of the best albums to
be released in a long time (since Empire). Their style seems to be a combo of
a lot of other "progressive" groups. I think their main influences are Rush,
Queensryche, Marillion, Styx, all combined with some Metallica. The song that
best describes them (and is one of the best on the album) is 'Learning to Live'.        
Has anyone seen any videos from the album? Someone told me that there was a
promo single released that had 2 new songs on it. Any clue? 

...Happy dreaming...

>> Bharat <<


'We only conserve what we love
 We only love what we understand
 We only understand what we are taught...
 Let us teach conservation, for the Future'
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Fates Warning: discography anyone?
Keywords: help I'm a bug!
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:57:29 GMT

In article <jester.715841736@crash> jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb) writes:
>
>Does anyone have an annotated discography for Fates Warning?  All I've heard
>is Parallels (which I think is excellent) and I'm wondering what else they
>have.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find *anything* else by them.
>Is there stuff out of print?
>--
>Ken			"You're right about the moon
>jester@crash.cts.com	 but wrong about the stars"--J. Browne
>ucsd!crash!jester

Didn't I post one about 2 weeks ago?
Oh well, off the top of my head, here goes:

Night On Brocken <1984/5 Metal Blade. Just reissued on Disc>
The Specter Within <1986 Metal Blade>
Awaken The Guardian <1987 Metal Blade>

These first three are kinda different. Jon Arch is an excellent Lead Vocalist,
but even I will admit that his style is an acquired taste. I really like 
"The Specter Within". They had a guitarist change for "TSW", and Frankie
Aresti came in at that time. Very Iron Maiden influenced, but reaching for
a more progressive style.

No Exit <1988 Metal Blade/Enigma>
Perfect Symmetry <1989 Metal Blade/Enigma>
Parallels <1991 metal Blade/Reprise>

Jon Arch took off after "Awaken The Guardian", and was replaced with Ray
Alder. "No Exit" really started to show the progressive influence, and
contained a "sidelong" piece "The Ivory Gate Of Dreams". 
Drummer Steve Zimmerman took of after "No Exit" and was replaced by the
amazing Mark Zonder. "Perfect Symmetry" was far more progressive and brought
them a lot of attention. They even got to be on MTV as guests for the 
for the first time.
My favorite is "At Fates Hands", a mellow rumination that bursts into
an odd-time signature frenzy, showing off Zonder's expert drumming.

"Parallels" continues in this vein, but is slightly more reserved, and
more commercial. Great album, though I wish Zonder had been given a 
little more freedom, and the guitars had a touch more bite. Minor quibble.

They have album tracks on lots of compilations, but the only non-album cut
I can find is "At Fates Fingers", an instrumental version of "At Fates
Hands", available on one of those guitar compilations put out by "Guitar
For The Practicing Musician". Can't think of the title. My apologies.

VIDEOS
    
"Silent Cries" <1988. Actually got MTV-play!>
"Through Different Eyes" <1989 Big MTV push for this.>

I know they have done some vids for "Parallels", but I have been unable to
see any. Please add any info to this list.

Hope This Helps!
<And, I don't think any of the last 3 are out of print, but I haven't
seen "TSW" and "ATG" in quite a while, on any format...>

					--Judex--
From: mojo@reed.edu (no other possibility)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Fates Warning: discography anyone?
Keywords: help I'm a bug!
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:14:33 GMT
Organization: the Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

In article <1992Sep9.154754.14034@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>As for the accusations of Queensryche cloning, I suggest you go listen to
>"Perfect Symmetry" again. It sounds more like Queensryche does NOW, than
>QR did then. Cloning how a band is going to sound in the FUTURE? I think
>there may be some borrowing both ways here. And QR never did anything with
>the complexity of "At Fates Hands", or even approached the rhythmic variations

Well, I stand partly corrected: I did go back and listen to Perfect Symmetry
again, and I like it a lot better than I did a year or two ago.  I still
think they listened to _Rage for Order_ a bit too much before recording.
Mebbe I ought to give _Parallels_ a shot...

anyway, we can probably agree to differ here.

Obligatory Non Sequitur: is _The Music of Erich Zann_ a decent representative
of Mekong Delta's stuff?
-- 
say boss you seem to have upgraded from the old typewriter to a vt220 and so
correspondingly from a cockroach to a topologist but still eschewing the
shift key for old times sake i believe mehitabel the cat is now studying
business somewhere in the east and archy is being nathan or mojo@reed.edu
From: adg2@quads.uchicago.edu (andrew david gross)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: ManOwaR
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:01:08 GMT
Reply-To: adg2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <IedY9Jy00UhWA3vpI_@andrew.cmu.edu> Marcia Karen <mk3j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>    Also, what's ManOWar up to? i like their old stuff. 
>
>Thanx
>marcia

ManOwaR, along with Metallica and Judas Priest, form the mighty metal
triumvirate. These three groups are -- by far -- my three favorite metal
groups. They've been working on a new album since at least the summer of 1991.
Guitarist Ross the Boss left the group to rejoin his old band, The Dictators.
To replace him, they brought in Chicago-area axeman, David Lee Schankle.

I have an inside source who told me the album is due in a month or two. In
fact, this source claimed to have heard the album itself a few weeks ago and
said it was "beyond incredible." I am not at liberty to disclose anything
else I know about the new album. But you can try calling the PR dept at their
label, Atlantic Records.

Sound the charge
Into Glory Ride
Death to False Metal!


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew David Gross       "And David danced before the Lord with all his might"
adg2@midway.uchicago.edu                  - 2 Samuel 6:14
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mishae@niksula.hut.fi (Magic Mike)
Subject: Metal symbols - WAS: more on Dio
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<11SEP199213455976@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Sep11.184939.8964@nic.funet.fi>
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:52:21

Hi folks,



In article <1992Sep11.184939.8964@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi
(Tapio Keih{nen) writes:

>   BTW, what does that Dio's finger sign mean?
>		     _
>	    _       | |    
>	   | |      | |
>	   | |      | |
>	   | |__ __ | |
>	   | |  |__|_ |
>	   | |  <__  \|
>	   |      /   |
>	   |     |    |

 Ancient Europen (think it's Greek) sign for Evil Eye - sort of a way
to cast a spell/curse on somebody. I think it's considered *very*
offensive in certain parts of Europe, where superstition still is
pretty wide-spread.

 I guess I could start off a new thread with this. Personally I find
most of these symbols and "icons" used in metal damn stupid. I really
dislike the G'n'R skull-tshirts and album arts for example, (though
I'm probably the biggest Gunner-fan in Finland). I despise all gloomy
album covers with rusty swords, blood-dripping limbs, clumsily drawn
monsters from the sewers, etc. As far I'm concerned they're damn
naive, and contribute to the overall negative attitude to metal.

 This doesn't go only for the album art and symbols used by the bands,
it concerns the lyrics as well. Metal lyrics on the whole are damn
cheesy, not even well done.

 So, what do you think? Is this only a sign of the generally
rebellious attitude of metal? If so, why don't the lyrics deal with
the subject in a more intelligent manner (and no, I do not consider
Slayer's "War Ensemble" intelligent, though the subject is important
enough). Do they reflect the overall aggressiveness of the music? Do
they show that the *source* of aggressiveness isn't as important as
the way you choose to let out your angst? Is it an easy way to sell
records and raise attention? This would then be the closest you could
come to the word "poser" that has been discussed for quite a while on
this group.

 Worth reflecting over, huh?
--
Cheers,

            Misha

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