HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sysop@alphanet.alphanet.ch (Marc SCHAEFER)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: FAQ [ I have it ]
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: sysadm@alphanet.ch
Organization: ALPHANET Network First - Colombier (NE), Switzerland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1590@sousa.ltn.dec.com> bell@comute.enet.dec.com (Shane L. Bell) writes:
> Where is there a FAQ for this group??  Thanks

I have it. If there is enough interest I may well post it regularly.
Every month ? Every week ? On 15 and on 30 ?  Suggestions ??

Bye Ms...

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From: kenk@algedi.UUCP (Ken Koster)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: MIME for Amiga?
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:04:08 PDT
Organization: WETNET - The Washington Experimenters Tcp/ip NETwork

I seem to recall a posting some time back about a version of ELM (?) that
included the MIME extentions.  Could someone who knows something about it
EMAIL me with info on how it can be obtained?

Thanks,  Ken

             WETNET
Washington Experimenters TCP NETwork  : UUCP: algedi!kenk@Pilchuck.Data-IO.com
From: shane@peeker.uucp (Shane R. McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: BMS Site--FishCat
Date: 22 Aug 1992 19:28:57 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith


   Can anyone point me to a BMS site that has updates to Fishcat by Matt
Brown.  I currently only have up to 600. I don't have FTP so BMS or mailed
to me would be my only option.  Thanks.

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From: CB@brewhq.swb.de (Christian Balzer)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Getty write failures
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: CB@brewhq.swb.de (Christian Balzer)
Organization: The Software Brewery

In article <Ianm.02hl@gandalf.UUCP> Ianm@gandalf.UUCP (Ian Moran) writes:
>
>I am getting the following error message in UULIB/LOGFILE
>
>(08/13-17:25:29) Getty,-, Write Error 13
>
>What does this mean?
>
If you have the Amiga system include files, take a look at serial.h

To make a long story short, configure your modem to keep DSR always on.

Prost,

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From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Understanding XferStat
Keywords: 
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:12:07 EST
Organization: None


	First, I would like to thank those of you who responded to my post
on my connection being a slow one with one of the site that feed off of me.
It turned out that at present, we can not use V.42Bis at 14400 Baud.  This
was the cause of the slowdown CPS wise.  Thanks to those that responded.  I
am working on the problem now and may come up with some work around.

	Now on to the original thread....


Quoted from gm@germal.bs.open.de (Gerald Malitz):

> >	The next line says that we used three window G protocal with a
> > window size of 64 bytes.
> 
> 	Yep.  Though it only tells you the size of those packets, your
> uucico sendt.  The size of received packets may be different.

	Ok, so if I have sites that call me (Which is the case.) Then for
example a site by the name of DINK would call my system with the following
command:

uucico -smegalith -7 -P5 -pri 

	This would mean that when DINK connects to my system, megalith, it
would send any batched news or mail in packets of 512.  So does this mean
then, that megalith would send batched news in 64K packets unless I put
this in my passwd file?


DINK,somepassword,6,2,(SomeID),ram:,uucico1 -7 -P5 -pri

	os is the handshaking started by DINK's UUCICO in his above command
supposed to tell my system to also send in 512K packets?

I am one confused person at present, please un-confuse me. :-)

Carlos
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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Amiga UUCP and C-News
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:13:44 GMT
Organization: Private UUCP Node
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <u5Iyr*od5@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca> hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble) writes:
> In article <Krzysztof.061j@netxsys.guild.org>, Krzysztof Adamski writes:
> > what was done was to make cnews add the #! cunbatch line as the first line
>
> Which is supported by CNEWS in order to support obsolete sites that
> cannot accept standard batched news format.

AmigaUUCP attempts to support 6 different file formats. The DEFAULT in a file
with no header is that it is assumed to be in the old "#! rnews" format, but
without the "#! rnews" header.

Now, if this is wrong, it is very simple to change.

> I do, but there are so many things that the news s/w that comes with
> DUUCP are substandard in that I don't use it.  There are a lot of

Sub-standard? In which regard? If you are saying "C-News is the standard,
and AmigaUUCP doesn't work like C-News", then you are absolutely correct.

It also doesn't consume anywhere near the resource that C-News does.

However, if there are ways in which AmigaUUCP doesn't communicate properly
with the outside world, using C-News as the standard base, I think I
would agree that AmigaUUCP should be modified.

I would like to know what those are.

> I want to see a proper port of CNEWS using Markus Wild's ixemlib and
> pdksh port enough to actually do it myself one of these days.

Go for it. Markus has done a good job with both of those. It will, however,
consume a huge amount more resource than AmigaUUCP does.
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: familiar question?
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:42:37 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

a1z5868@rigel.tamu.edu (Jay) writes:

> So, this has probably been asked before.  But, what's a good
> demo that will astound my friends with what the A500 can do?
> (Better, where can I find them via ftp?  ;)
> 
> - Tigg
> 

For great action, try the second disk of the Odyssey demo (unfortunately, 
you have to sit through the first disk to get there).  Other demos that 
have really kept my attention: Phenomena's Enigma, TSL/Crionic's 
Hardwired, Kefrens Guardian Dragon II, TSL's Global Trash, and the 
Angel's Copper Master demo.

As to where they can be found, I'm not entirely sure.  Try looking on 
wuarchive.wustl.edu and nic.funet.fi.


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From: umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (Vorpal Greed)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: move.w d0,ccr
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:16:04 GMT

Hi.

Many have said that move.w d0,ccr    is a naughty.
Why ?
i can see move.w d0,sr is bad if it is priveleged for 68010 (it's
privelaged for 68000 too, sweetheart) but if ccr is not priv,
why not?
If it is plainly stated in the routine definition that it returns results
in the ccr, let the calling routine beware.


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From: mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Reflect's Sound&Vision Demo
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:47:17 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

When I DL'ed and packed out this demo (DMS 1.11) I got an I/O error on an early
track. Could somebody please check out this? Was my DL bad or is the archive
faulty?

-Morten

PS: The demo can be found on nic.funet.fi in /pub/amiga/demos/misc
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D)
Subject: Re: PROBE DEMO FOUND!
Keywords: none
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:19:24 GMT

d0berg@dtek.chalmers.se (Lars-Ake Berg) writes:


>Hi again!
>Thank you all that wrote to me about where I could find that demo. I have
>found it and now ask you all NOT to write any more 8) I'm not doing anything
>else than answering letters. This REALLY is a great invention. News I mean.

>Amiga lives forever!

now...will you let all of us that dont know know?
Id like to see it too :)

Also..has anyone seen the hardwired II (VHS-tape I think) ?

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From: umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (Vorpal Greed)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Interrupt vectors.. still.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:15:44 GMT

OK.
I've been messing with this stuff for a long time, and still have questions.
How come, if i replace an interrupt vector (take an easy one like the keybd)
with a routine that first executes itself, then calls the system's routine, 
which is then tricked via stack into returning to another part of my routine,
stuff goes wrong? 
Or say the vblank interrupt? Just doa  simple one, like first put yellow in 
color 0, then let the system twiddle, then put red in color zero. - You'll
get red up avbove workbench sure enough, but you won't be able to drag screens
around! HMM...  Is the system playing naughty ?
 
Also i found a cool trick for when you write a routine that returns success
or failure..  I used to stick the return code in d0 or someplace, but it's
just a easy to stick em in the ccr !  That way, you can do:
	bsr	myroutine
	beq	ok
	bpl	err1
	bmi	err2

ps. the stack stuff is not a problem, just a curiosity.

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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Hidden parts in Guardian Dragon II ??
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:00:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug16.160511.27724@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
> dominik@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Dominik Buszko) writes:
> 
>>In article <114987@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE) writes:
>>>
>>>Anyone have any hints on how to find the "hidden chamber" or whatever secret
>>>modes there are in Guardian Dragon II ?   I messed around with the keyboard and
>>>mouse buttons, but haven't come across anything yet...
>>>
> 
>>Easy.  Reset your computer and insert second disk in df0: (or whatever is
>>you booting drive).
> 
> 
> Where can I download this seemingly awesome demo?
> 
> -Kelvin Leung
> e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu


  And does it work on A3000s?

							--Travis Carter
							  slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Reflect's Sound&Vision Demo
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 08:21:40 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen) writes:

> When I DL'ed and packed out this demo (DMS 1.11) I got an I/O error on an ear
> track. Could somebody please check out this? Was my DL bad or is the archive
> faulty?
> 
> -Morten
> 
> PS: The demo can be found on nic.funet.fi in /pub/amiga/demos/misc

Your download was faulty... I d/loaded that demo (and it's great) and it 
worked perfectly.  As they say, "Please try again."


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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Gnu Design
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:47:18 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

A LOONNNGGG time ago, I ftp'ed a two disk trackmo called Skizzo by Gnu 
Design.  But, once I switched my Agnus to 1 meg chip RAM, it won't work.
It gives me an error message saying something about there not being 
enough RAM.  I find this hard to believe seeing as my BaseBoard expansion 
autoconfigures one meg of chip RAM and 1.5 megs of fast/contiguous RAM.
Other than switching back to 512k chip RAM, is there anything I can do to 
get this thing running again?


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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: bryanf@hpmcaa (Bryan Ford)
Subject: Re: Interrupt vectors.. still.
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:59:49 GMT

cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Schneider) writes:
> In article <umage.713636144@mcl> umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (Vorpal Greed) writes:
> >Also i found a cool trick for when you write a routine that returns success
> >or failure..  I used to stick the return code in d0 or someplace, but it's
> >just a easy to stick em in the ccr !  That way, you can do:
> 
> Nope! Don't do this! You'd have to to a move d0,sr on mc68000 and a
> move d0,ccr on mc68010+ ! (move d0,sr is priviledged on 68010+)

Although it definitely wouldn't be a good idea to use the move->ccr or
move->sr to return result codes, there are many other ways to set the condition
codes.  When a routine returns some value in d0, say, it's often easy to
arrange that the CCR reflect that value (say, the Z flag set or clear 
according to the zero/nonzero status of D0); this saves the tst.l instruction.
But then of course you have to remember which routines support this. :-)

				Bryan
From: d0berg@dtek.chalmers.se (Lars-Ake Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: PROBE DEMO FOUND!
Keywords: none
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:19:24 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D) writes:

>d0berg@dtek.chalmers.se (Lars-Ake Berg) writes:


>>Hi again!
>>Thank you all that wrote to me about where I could find that demo. I have
>>found it and now ask you all NOT to write any more 8) I'm not doing anything
>>else than answering letters. This REALLY is a great invention. News I mean.

>>Amiga lives forever!

>now...will you let all of us that dont know know?
>Id like to see it too :)

>Also..has anyone seen the hardwired II (VHS-tape I think) ?

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>

Sorry, don't know where to find the demo you asks for but the one I was 
asking about was replied after my orginal question, entry "f" I think. It 
was to be found at wuarchvie.umich.edu if I recall correctly. Hope you find it
too... 8)

Lars-Ake Berg

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From: AKURCZYN@itesmvf1.rzs.itesm.mx (Alejandro J. Kurczyn S.)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Better than hardwired?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:24:42 GMT
Organization: ITESM Mexico State Campus

Is there any new demo better than Hardwired? available on FTP?
Hardwired is my "Kill'em" for Mac and PC users when they see my
"little" A500 in action, and a few Amiga dealers around here use it
to showoff the machines.
 
Any pointers will be greately appreciated.
 
By the way, what's the best place to get demos over FTP?
 
Thanks in advance
 
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: gothic@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Toby Sargeant)
Subject: Re: Interrupt vectors.. still.
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:48:36 GMT

Christian Schneider (cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch) wrote:
: >Also i found a cool trick for when you write a routine that returns success
: >or failure..  I used to stick the return code in d0 or someplace, but it's
: >just a easy to stick em in the ccr !  That way, you can do:
: 
: Nope! Don't do this! You'd have to to a move d0,sr on mc68000 and a
: move d0,ccr on mc68010+ ! (move d0,sr is priviledged on 68010+)

	How about popping the return address off the stack if you get an
error, and replacing it with the error handler address? Of course this is
limited, and the best way is stlii a tst.b d0, but it works if you dont
intend to write multipurpose routines.
	The advantage is multiple error conditions. With a tst.b/w/l you
only get 3, one of which has to be the error free case, but say with a
diskloading routine, or a similar non system, single purpose routine,
you want to check wether your read was from the right track, wether the
checksum was wrong, wehter the track was read at all, and wether a
number of other conditions were fulfilled. You cant do this if you use a
tst.b d0.
	Yet another idea is:

		Bsr	myroutine
		add.w	d0,d0
		add.w	d0,d0
		move.l	jumptab(pc,d0.w),a0
		jmp	(a0)
;-------------------------------------
jumptab:	dc.l	no_error
		dc.l	error1
		dc.l	error2
		dc.l	error3

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From: d0berg@dtek.chalmers.se (Lars-Ake Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: NEED PROBE DEMO!
Summary: NONE
Keywords: WHAT?
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:32:48 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden


Hi!
I am desperately searching for a demo I once saw on an Amiga. I don't know
the name of the demo, but it was a probe that found another planet and was
gradually zooming in. It found some sort of skeleton there, and it recreated
the living tissue etc.... 

It was a great demo that I would gladly lay my hands on again. Please help
me either with telling me what the name of that demo is, or please tell me
where I can get it.

Happy hacking....

Lars-Ake Berg
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Reflect's Sound&Vision Demo
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:20:21 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


> PS: The demo can be found on nic.funet.fi in /pub/amiga/demos/misc


Is nic.funet.fi mirrored anywhere in the US?  I know it is bad manners
to tie up an international connection when not necessary...

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From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Hidden parts in Guardian Dragon II ??
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:48:57 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: larshaug@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


In article <114987@muvms3.bitnet>, rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE) writes:
> 
> Anyone have any hints on how to find the "hidden chamber" or whatever secret
> modes there are in Guardian Dragon II ?   I messed around with the keyboard and
> mouse buttons, but haven't come across anything yet...

Try to hold down the left mousebutton and boot from disk 2.

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen)
Subject: Re: Better than hardwired?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 14:53:28 GMT

>Is there any new demo better than Hardwired? available on FTP?

Don't think so, at least not yet...
But check out "Sound&Vision" by Reflect, it's got some nice parts (especially
the lightsourced, shadowed 3D town!).

>By the way, what's the best place to get demos over FTP?

You should try nic.funet.fi, amiga.physik.unizh.ch and wuarchive.wustl.edu.

Morten
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Hidden parts in Guardian Dragon II ??
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:06:26 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


Anyone have any hints on how to find the "hidden chamber" or whatever secret
modes there are in Guardian Dragon II ?   I messed around with the keyboard and
mouse buttons, but haven't come across anything yet...

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