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From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Alien 'tiel
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:17:25 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO




	I had posted about a couple weeks ago as a new 'tiel owner	
	with some questions. One question concerned this noise my 'tiel made
	when I got close and talked to her and I described it as 'static'.
	No one seemed to be too sure what my goofy bird was doing (although
	I did get suggestions of beak grinding, but this seems to be 
	coming from her vocal chords, and I have heard her grind before
	and it is definately different). Anyway, just through trial and 
	error, I think I've figured out this noise she makes (which my
	husband aptly describes as the sound a locust makes) occurs when
	she is VERY content. I have lately taken to petting her on the 
	head and scratching her neck with my finger and she really gets
	this 'locust' sound going and closes her eyes and kind of puffs
	up all 'comfylike'. If I stop, she comes toward me trying to convince
	me to pet her some more, kind of like a dog.

	I thought this was kind of funny, but I find it curious that I
	really haven't run across any other bird owners who have seen this.
	Weird.
From: feingold@cheetah.llnl.gov (Rich Feingold)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Breeding finches
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:48:11 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
In-reply-to: ajd@itl.itd.umich.edu's message of 14 Aug 92 17:12:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.171221.1451@terminator.cc.umich.edu> ajd@itl.itd.umich.edu (Arthur Delano) writes:
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   From: ajd@itl.itd.umich.edu (Arthur Delano)
   Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
   Date: 14 Aug 92 17:12:21 GMT
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   Organization: finches are stupid gits but i love them anyhow
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   I have a large cage with two zebra finches and four society finches.

   Last week, one of the society finches laid five eggs -- we don't know
   which one, because all four of them take turns setting on them, altho'
   we have our suspicions.  At night, despite the fact that when the last
   pair of society finches were introduced to the cage, a new nest was
   installed, the four of them still pile into the same nest with the eggs,
   crowded so badly that a couple usually can only fit half-in, while the
   nest next to it remains empty.  At the opposite end of the cage, our
   two zebra finches finally became parents to four eggs two days ago.
   Unfortunately, they seem to have abandoned the eggs, as they do not
   set on the eggs.  When they were first laid, one of the society finches
   used to sneak into the nest to set on them, but the parents would chase
   him out.  Now, the eggs are not tended and in fact it appears that the
   zebra finches are rebuilding their nest over the eggs.

   Does anybody have suggestions as to why they are behaving this way?

   AjD

I have experience with Java Rice Birds--a type of finch.  The eggs may
not be fertile, or they just may not want them.  You can candle the
eggs if you want, but I'd just let them do their thing.  You might
just take out the next, remove the eggs, and put it back.  As for your
first question, the birds are comfortable together.  Get a bigger nest
and transfer the eggs.  I've had seven pretty big Javas and six eggs
in one nest.

Rich Feingold
From: btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Milk on bird's diet ...
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:01:00 PST
Organization: BBS

>
>My question is: Could milk (1% fat) be harmful to my bird in any way? 
>

My tiel also goes crazy for mozerella (sp?) string cheese...does anyone know if
there's any harm in that? He really wolfs it down.

Bobby Tribble  |8')
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From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: Milk on bird's diet ...
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
	<l97jusINNe71@skat.usc.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:42:11 GMT


In article <l97jusINNe71@skat.usc.edu> melton@skat.usc.edu (Mike Melton) writes:

> My macaw used to love to sample my cereal in the morning--and drink the 
> milk. I think he was so attracted to it for two reasons: it's fatty--even
> at 1%, and I was eating it too. I have since stopped allowing my bird
> foods that I feel are not part of his natural diet and not digestible. I
> believe that habitual feeding of even small amounts of indigestible foods will
> eventually take its toll on his health. Also, I've greatly reduced the amounts
> of fatty foods my bird gets; now sunflower seeds and walnuts are treats 
> instead of dietary suppliments. Am I just being a worry-wort? I've been
> accused of that many times.

Well, maybe you are, but not in this case, I think. I've been told by
avian vets that liver disease in parrots caused by a diet too high in
fat is all too common. Parrots, though, are like people in that they
seem to like best what isn't good for them. You should see my Severe
Macaw, Maggie, whip her head around at the sound of a potato chip bag
being opened...

> 
> Signed,
> A concerned dad.
> 

And another...
--Doug
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From: melton@skat.usc.edu (Mike Melton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Milk on bird's diet ...
Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:01:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

My macaw used to love to sample my cereal in the morning--and drink the 
milk. I think he was so attracted to it for two reasons: it's fatty--even
at 1%, and I was eating it too. I have since stopped allowing my bird
foods that I feel are not part of his natural diet and not digestible. I
believe that habitual feeding of even small amounts of indigestible foods will
eventually take its toll on his health. Also, I've greatly reduced the amounts
of fatty foods my bird gets; now sunflower seeds and walnuts are treats 
instead of dietary suppliments. Am I just being a worry-wort? I've been
accused of that many times.

Signed,
A concerned dad.
From: brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Alien 'tiel
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:54:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug14.091727.4382@bb1t.monsanto.com> dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>	I had posted about a couple weeks ago as a new 'tiel owner	
>	with some questions. One question concerned this noise my 'tiel made
>	when I got close and talked to her and I described it as 'static'.
>	No one seemed to be too sure what my goofy bird was doing (although
>	I did get suggestions of beak grinding, but this seems to be 
>	coming from her vocal chords, and I have heard her grind before
>	and it is definately different). Anyway, just through trial and 
>	error, I think I've figured out this noise she makes (which my
>	husband aptly describes as the sound a locust makes) occurs when
>	she is VERY content. I have lately taken to petting her on the 
>	head and scratching her neck with my finger and she really gets
>	this 'locust' sound going and closes her eyes and kind of puffs
>	up all 'comfylike'. If I stop, she comes toward me trying to convince
>	me to pet her some more, kind of like a dog.
>
>	I thought this was kind of funny, but I find it curious that I
>	really haven't run across any other bird owners who have seen this.
>	Weird.

   Sounds to me like a typical "baby" noise.  Just listen to a batch of
'tiel babies at hand-feeding time and you'll know what I mean!  Our
first 'tiel kept this up for a month or so, then became interested in
other noises she could make.  The length of time they keep it up seems
to depend on what other noises they are exposed to (i.e. other 'tiels)


   You never know though, it might just be radio interference!  ;-)

   - larry

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: new 'tiel owner with questions...
From: rbrown@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:14:47 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

i have a couple of questions about a 'tiel.

anyone know anything about transporting one of these birds to japan, 'cause i
am going to move there next month and want to bring mine with me...

what is the best method for teaching my female to speak?  i have tried several
things and she does not seem to be at all interested.  she is quite tame
(though she can fly) and is about 9 months old.

e-mail would be easier than a post.  :)

rbrown@eagle.wesleyan.edu  or
rbrown@wesleyan.bitnet

thanks 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: rxb@vax  (Rachel Banko)
Subject: Mardel antibiotics and small birds
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:03:03


1.  Has anyone cured a small bird (finch, canary, parakeet) with Mardel
    antibiotics displayed in pet stores?  Their products are in tablet
    form meant to be dissolved in water and come in small flat white boxes
    with yellow and blue stripes. I have Ornacyn-Plus. I'm suspicious
    that one of my canaries may have caught a cold after it slept by a
    window all night. (I thought it would be OK to sleep by the	window
    in the summer.) I've used the product before, always on suspicions
    so it's not clear if the bird was really under the weather and without
    treatment would have shown real problems.

2.  Anyone ever seen a hoso canary in real life, or advertised for sale?
    It's a Japanese posture canary, with a larger rounder head from the
    pictures.

    I went to the bird market and pet stores in Paris and only saw a couple
    of Holland frills, no Parisian frills.
From: slg7m@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Clipping Toenails
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:04:09 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

We took our bird twice to a vet and both times she came back bleeding from at
least 2 nails and her beak.  We decided enough was enough and spent the
equivalent $5 (that's what the vet charged) on a set of dog nail clippers. 
We've never cut the nails so deep that they bleed.  We're very timid about
taking much off all at once.  Does anyone out there have any guidelines for how
deep you really can go on a parrot's nail?  How often do you trim the nails? 
Do you use something like an emory board on the clipped nails to smooth down
the rough edges caused by the clipping?  Does your bird hate the emory board as
much as mine does?

Tanya Olsen
Xref: sparky rec.pets.birds:1995 rec.pets:2822
From: dmiller@elli.une.edu.au (David Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds,rec.pets
Subject: Re: Importing Parrots
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:48:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.birds
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)


In "rec.pets.birds", dand@Turing wrote:-
>I'll be visiting Brazil later this year and I was wondering what
>the requirements are to bring back a Parrot.  Is there

If you contact the US Dept of Agriculture - Animal and Plant Health
Inspection Service (APHIS), they have a booklet they will send out
to you outlining bird importation requirements.

Best regards
-- 
David M Miller                   "Just because they're yelling at you
PO Box 695                       doesn't mean you are wrong".
Hornsby NSW 2077, Australia      --  Ritchie Garcia, baseball umpire
Internet: dmiller@elli.une.edu.au / C$: 100032,341 / GE: D.MILLER3@GENIE
From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: ZEBRA FINCH BEHAVIOR
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:54:22 GMT

Hi Dave, I also have finches including zebras. You are certainly right about
how aggressive they are. It sounds like your pair is not compatible though.
When the pairs are compatible they get along great, except the male will pluck
the feathers from the hen when he wants to breed and she doesn't. I would look
into trading one of yours for another one and see if that combination is more
compatible. If they are though you will probably end up with babies, lots of
them. Once they start breeding it's really hard to stop them. I always tell
people that want finches but don't want to breed them to get 2 of the same sex.
they can live very happily that way and you can enjoy your birds and not hassle
with the breeding part of it. Good luck, Debby
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From: rob@contempt.brisnet.org.au
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Testing - Please ignore COMPLETELY
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:09:25 GMT

Testing.
I KNOW this isn't the place for a test, but I have to test to
a rec group, and this is my favourite one!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: steveg@mks.com (Steve Gingerich)
Subject: cockatiels
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:40:24 GMT

lets try this again...I posted some questions on 'tiels and got ONE
RESPONSE...is the readership that low ? I guess ? Anyway, I'm kind of
curious as to what different 'tricks' people have their tiels performing.
And, what are the different methods that tiels like to use for
bathing purposes...are spray bottles, cage baths, or showers prefered ?
post or E-mail...thanks....
-- 
Steve Gingerich    Mortice Kern Systems   Waterloo, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: neves@duvel.cs.colorado.edu (NEVES RICHARD K)
Subject: Re: cockatiels
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:33:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.164024.11818@mks.com> steveg@mks.com (Steve Gingerich) writes:
>lets try this again...I posted some questions on 'tiels and got ONE
>RESPONSE...is the readership that low ? I guess ? Anyway, I'm kind of
>curious as to what different 'tricks' people have their tiels performing.
>And, what are the different methods that tiels like to use for
>bathing purposes...are spray bottles, cage baths, or showers prefered ?
>post or E-mail...thanks....
>-- 
>Steve Gingerich    Mortice Kern Systems   Waterloo, Ontario

Our tiel does exactly two things which probably aren't tricks:

1)  If I repeat the words 'head pet' over and over she comes over and cuddles
her head under my fingers.

2)  If I repeat the words 'pretty bird' over and over >and< wiggle my index
finger she comes from where ever she is in the room and hops on my finger
(most of the time:).


Re bathing:

She'll only go for a quiet spray bottle.  We have one spray bottle that
is too loud.  It makes a loud hiss sound when you pump which really
frightened chuck.  

Rich
From: fine@sofine.detroit.sgi.com (Steve Fine)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Milk on bird's diet ...
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:40:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.180712.22462@cubic.com>, hosking@cubic.com (Ana M. Hosking) writes:
|> Hi!
|> 
|> This is the first time I post anything on the Net, so please forgive my 
|> mistakes.
|> 
|> I have a red-headed conure, about 1 year old, very healthy and active. I try
|> to give her a well-balanced diet of seed, fruits and vegetables. Very rarely
|> I give her a cookie ( I am not into junk food ). My husband started to give
|> her cereal and milk  (usually Cherios,Crispix or Shreded wheat) at the same 
|> time he is eating his breakfast. We were very surprised that she left the
|> cereal aside an drank only the milk.
|> 
|> My question is: Could milk (1% fat) be harmful to my bird in any way? 
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> Ana Hosking
|> 
|>  

Our Sulpher Crested Too' loves milk also.  I have heard
that it is not bad, just not to much of any one thing.  
BTW, she loves the cereal also.    It seems she loves
anything that is made with milk, cheese, cream cheese....
so we try to limit the amount she gets!!!!
-- 

----------------------------------------------------
Steve Fine                              fine@sgi.com
Systems Engineer, Great Lakes District (Detroit, MI)
These opinions are mine blah blah blah.........
----------------------------------------------------
From: danforth@trinity.llnl.gov (Bill A. Danforth)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Rusty bird cage - HE
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:17:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: lll-wink.133894

In a previous article, it was said:

MTM>Just for your info, This person said they paint the cages black
MTM>so that the bars don't reflect a lot of light and the bird
MTM>doesn't have to stare through shiny white or chrome bars all
MTM>day.  This sounds reasonable to me.

It doesn't sound that reasonable to me.  Painting the bars black does indeed
make it easier to see your birds from the outside, making the bars somewhat
invisible.  But, if they are invisible to you from the outside, black bars on
the inside might be just as invisible to the bird in the cage/aviary.  I painted
the outside of my aviary hardware cloth black, but paid VERY close attention
that there wasn't any black on the inside.
I have heard from a couple people who weren't as carefull, and have had birds
fly straight into the bars/wire, and injure themselves.

Bill Danforth
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Re: Should I Eat My Budgie ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:10:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: earth

 Would *you* eat your OWN pet?  I think NOT!

 Never I was so shocked and offended by your comment  -- I *do* not
 raise pets to EAT!!!!!!

 Sooner or later, she'll eventually learn if you take the time to teach her!

- Scott

-- 

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mind's full responsbility. I just speak what it commands me to say. 

"Deaf people can do anything except hear" - I. King Jordan
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Funny Parrot Story
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:40:22 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


I just finished reading Gerald Durrell's new book, _Marrying Off Mother_
and the last short story in the book is an excruciatingly funny story about
an extremely obscene parrot.  A must read for any one who has a bird who
talks...


Sue
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD))
Subject: Nibbling tiels (Was Re: 'tiels that go POP)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Aug 1992 09:35 EDT  

In article <1992Aug19.154246.24296@news2.cis.umn.edu>, rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes...
>In article <50740013@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras) writes:
>|> Also, do 'tiels like to nibble on every little thing they can get their
>|> beaks on?  I let Ralph walk around on myself while I'm lying flat and he
>|> just runs around biting and chewing on every button, fold in clothing,
>|> belt loop, etc. he can find.  I don't have the nerve to just let him sit
>|> out unsupervised because I'm afraid he'll eat or chew something that is
>|> harmful to him.
> 
>Actually, they do.  But they clearly have an affinity for telephone
>cords and electrical cords (only if they are plugged into the wall,
>though.  :-), so I guess I'd have to leave it to you to determine whether
>they get into trouble or into dangerous things from time to time.  :-)
> 
Not only that, any string-type related stuff they love to chew or
nibble on, i.e. shoe laces, necklaces, chains, ties (my boyfriend's). 
And I have to mention that tiel's LOVES anything shiny or reflective, 
like mirrors, glass, spoons, forks, etc.

One funny thing about my tiel, Bernoulli, is that she is a scaredy
cat. Sometimes I will let a shoelace hang over the edge of a table
or chair, and she will come up to it and nibble on it or pull on it.
Well, pretty soon the other end of the shoelace comes down off the edge 
of the table and she will run or fly away thinking that the shoelace is 
after her. She does this every time. :) 

>They're a lot of fun, but if you don't want something chewed on at least
>once (just so they can see if it's either edible or fun to chew on), then 
>lock it away.  I'm thinking about buying a lifetime supply of phone cords
>just for her...
> 
>-- 
>Robert J. Granvin                                       School of Statistics
>rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu                             University of Minnesota

  Nancy Rabel				nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov 
  Space Station Freedom                 --... ...--   -.. . KC4IYD
  NASA - Lewis Research Center          stamp collector, SF addict
From: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: More budgies that won't mate
Keywords: bird, budgies, mating
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:51:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: clpd.1992Aug19.185152.13720
Reply-To: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

I don't know anything about budgies but my friend Alex is a champion
breeder and expert. Here's his reply to Sue's problem.

 When budgies are in 'breeding condition' ceres are bright - (blue,male
brown, female).
 'Whitish' ceres usually mean birds are in poor conditionn - hence no
desire to breed.
  Birds which never were among company of others, say in a flight cage,
don't learn to mate - or perform the courting ritual.  Desire to breed is 
strongest at 1 - 2 years. Putting a nest box in the cage usually triggers
the female.  If one male is a 'dud' use the other until she has eggs - 
then switch males. The 'dud' can at least feed any resulting babies.

----------------------
Rick Lafford				Alex Reid
Eastman Kodak Co.			Eastman Kodak Co.
lafford@serum.kodak.com		Tel: (716)253-9802



Opinions, what opinions? Just the facts madam.
From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: BREEDING FINCHES
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:32:35 GMT

Arthur, I breed all kinds of finches and Zebras and societies are
 usually very easy to breed. You really need to breed EACH pair in a separate
cage though. Colony breeding can work but usually it doesn't. A friend of mine
colony bred and he ended up with a huge mess and a lot of dead babies. If your
serious about breeding put your pairs in separate cages or else take out the
nests or you will probably continue to have
 problems.
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From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: More budgies that won't mate
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:37:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Aug20.123738.3650
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Aug19.185152.13720@clpd.kodak.com>, lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford) writes:
> I don't know anything about budgies but my friend Alex is a champion
> breeder and expert. Here's his reply to Sue's problem.
> 
>  When budgies are in 'breeding condition' ceres are bright - (blue,male
> brown, female).
>  'Whitish' ceres usually mean birds are in poor conditionn - hence no
> desire to breed.
>   Birds which never were among company of others, say in a flight cage,
> don't learn to mate - or perform the courting ritual.  Desire to breed is 
> strongest at 1 - 2 years. Putting a nest box in the cage usually triggers
> the female.  If one male is a 'dud' use the other until she has eggs - 
> then switch males. The 'dud' can at least feed any resulting babies.

The female certainly LOOKS like she is in breeding condition.  I swapped
males, so far nothing.  I'm going to take away the nest box, I think she
has gotten to accustomed to it being there.   Then put it back after a few
weeks.


Sue

> 
> ----------------------
> Rick Lafford				Alex Reid
> Eastman Kodak Co.			Eastman Kodak Co.
> lafford@serum.kodak.com		Tel: (716)253-9802
> 
> 
> 
> Opinions, what opinions? Just the facts madam.