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From: jane@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (wayne tvedt)
Subject: Re: Amsterdam
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:28:32 GMT
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rand@smartstar.com (Rand McKinney) writes:
>I'm going to Amsterdam in a few weeks, and I was wondering:

>1) What is the attitude there now towards drugs?  Is it still as mellow
>   as it used to be? 

There is an official ideology which states that drug policies shall be 
drafted with the goal of minimizing damages to public health in mind (as
opposed to the pursuit a drug-free society as in the U.S.)  They all seem 
to think that their policy towards cannabis products is something reasonable 
but nothing to get excited about.  The places that do sell such products 
make it very clear (signs) that they want nothing to do with "hard drugs."  
The government quietly practices relative tolerance toward junkies, (but 
not enough according so some organizations), and the state runs a lab where
you can have your stuff measured for purity and content, if you're into
that sort of thing.

>2) Does anybody have any recommendations of things to do/see for someone
>   interested in a little recreational pscyopharmacology?

There are 2,000 coffeshops in Holland.  Also try the Cannabis Museum
in the red light district.

> 3) I've heard of a place called the Milk Weg (Milky Way) Club.  
>    Is it still around and what's it like now?

Looks pretty horrible from the outside ("hey trippy American tripster you,
this is the place your dorm buddies told you about.")  Tshirts, lots
of telescreens, big fat entrance fee.  Amsterdam is an easy place to
lose money in general. 

More interesting are the little holes-in-the-ground coffesshops where
the Carribeans hang out, the Surinamese "eathouses"... the places that
the people who actually live there go to.
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Questions about Ayahuasca
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:54:45 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug18.201646.29889@mits.mdata.fi>, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
> 
>    I intend to experiment with some sort of a poor man's Ayahuasca using
> Desmanthus illinoensis roots and Peganum harmala seeds.

I have first hand confirmation that this combination works well. It
is supposed to have fewer side-effects than using B.caapi.

> Now, I have a few
> questions. What is an appropriate dosage of the roots? The dose of smoked
> DMT is around 60 mg, but it must be different orally with MAO inhibitors.

The persons I have heard from recommend the minimum possible dose of
MAOI and the maximum possible dose of DMT. I would recommend maybe
50 mg harmaline equivalent or less, and up to 200 mg DMT oral.
You can do the calculations for your particular feed-stocks.

> Should I chew the seeds before I ingest the roots so as to be sure that
> the MAO inhibition is in effect?

I would have originally said yes. Some recent experiments suggest
to me that it may be beneficial to have them at the same time,
i.e. mixed. This is what the original users did, so you can't
go too far wrong by doing this. I'll let the net know when I have
figured out more about the best way to have this stuff.

> What is the best way to consume the roots?
> Will grinding them to a fine powder and mixing it with, say, water, work?

The experts recommend boiling with water and straining, then
boiling the liquid down to a managable quantity.
If it were me, I might either resort to tricky chemical extraction, or
on the other hand, crush the stuff up and scarf it down and
wait for the HCl and enzymes in my stomach to do the hard work.
It depends on just how much you have to eat. 

> How long should I abstain from eating and drinking anything but water
> before and after ingestion?

I wouldn't worry about it too much; just don't eat a kilo of
Danish Blue. (insert standard disclaimers about not taking
responsibility for people dying because of my advice)

> Do the roots contain anything (apart from DMT
> and MT) that might be dangerous with MAO inhibitors?

The odd flavanoid or something, I daresay; there is info in the
literature as to what exactly in there. But as I say, I have
heard successful reports of the safe use of this stuff.
If you are paranoid, once again, you have to isolate the
DMT/NMT fraction.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
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From: jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:10:18 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>This got me thinking (it does happen occasionally).  Why couldn't
>someone design a drug-adminsitering weapon for self-defense?  I'd think
>that a load of pentothal (or whatever) would drop an attacker very
>quickly.  What would be the best drug to use?  Has anyone done this?
>How might it work?  Would a needle be necessary, or could it use a jet
>of DMSO (or something similar) to the face as a delivery mechanism?

There's a little bit a problem with designing a tranquilizer pistol.
The tolerance of a given person to a given drug varies greatly.  I have
a high tolerance to most forms of local anesthesia and those I have not
been exposed to, my body develops a tolerance towards them rather
quickly.  Makes having any form of dental work or any form of surgery that
is generally done with only a local form of anethesia fun because it just
doesn't work on me.

>I'd think most people who keep guns for self-defense would use such a
>weapon IF it had stopping power and tactical advantages on a par with a
>good handgun (which Mace and stun-guns do not).  Assuming it's
>needle-based, it would even penetrate many "bullet-proof" vests!  It
>wouldn't have to be guaranteed safe for the recipient, but it would
>probably be a lot safer than a .45.

There's also another issue.  What if your attacker is on a controlled
substance which negates the effect of the drug uses in this
tranquilizer pistol?  You end up being another homicide statistic
because you've probably just ticked off your attacker more.

No thanks.  I'll trust my 9mm pistol or .357 magnum revolver with
hollowpoint ammunition.
--

     // JCA

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: RE: Poppies & Opium
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:28:54 GMT

In article <376.9208140717@ail.amdahl.com>, Xanadu@kublai.com writes:
>>	using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come
>>	across a field of poppies, and was wondering if the original
>>	poster, or anyone else, can tell me if all poppies are "useful"
>>	to some degree, or if it's species dependant.
>                                   ^^^^^^^
>
>	Listen, asswipe, all poppies are the same species. Jeez, you

Actually, no.  There is an entire genus of true poppies, and many plants
outside the genus but in the same family are (incorrectly?) referred to as
poppies.

The dreaded Opium Poppy species (Pavalar Somniferum or something -- look it
up in an encyclopedia) grows in Asia Minor.  Unless your field is there, you
probably have harmless flowers on your hands.  They won't get you high, but
eating the seeds might make you fail a drug test.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: conn. supreme court and cocaine moms.
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.131736.12857@walter.bellcore.com> dl@cockatoo.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster) writes:
>
>This article reprinted without the authors permission..`
>
>	   HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) _ A pregnant woman who used cocaine hours
>before she had a baby should not have had her parental rights taken
>away, the state Supreme Court ruled Monday.
[..]
>cocaine about nine hours before giving birth. At birth, the baby
>showed classic signs of cocaine abuse, including trembling and a
>piercing cry.

well, has anybody ever seen a fresh human NOT tremble and cry
piercingly?

sounds like the all-encompassing descriptions of "your teenager is using
drugs" for showing signs of puberty.  

so, what kind of drugs do they normally give mothers just before birth?

fukin nazis.

--gaspo.


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From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: PRIVATE: LOOKING FOR ANDY HAWKS!!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:32:35 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

Andy! Andy Hawks! Are you reading this? If so, please, get in touch with me,
dude--it's been a while since we established communication! If you could, do
subscribe to the mailing list again...we at the electric commune miss you!!!
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:40:30 -0500

In article <1992Aug15.040435.22950@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.121842.24168@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.161510.2895@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>>Well, as a matter of fact, I have been toying with the idea of giving
>>>a close friend a trip, and then telling him/her to use it on me
>>>some time in the next 6 months without me knowing about it, just to
>>>see what it would be liked to be tripped without warning.
> 
> excuse me, but i think this is an extraordinarily stoopid idea.
> 
> 
>>People who genuinely don't expect it may think they're going crazy.
> 
> people who are expecting it regularly go crazy.

	Anyone who would give a powerful mind-altering agent to
	an unsuspecting, and especially an unexperienced person
	deserves to be whipped and then thrown to hungry dogs 
	... and I'm not being euphamistic here. This sort of
	thing is not going to "do them good", and if you believe
	it will then you have done too damned much LSD lately
	and need a fucking reality break. It is all too common
	to see people who are into *something* develop an elitist
	and superior attitude which justifies all sorts of
	impositions on the uninterested. Do we have an 'Acid Fascist'
	movement afoot here ? 

	How about if someone from the microbiology department came up
	with a nice new engineered virus that was supposed to do
	something good for you ... is it kosher for them to spread it
	around without asking ? How about if the jesus-junkies decided
	your thinking was unacceptable ... would it be OK for them
	to kidnap you for a heavy brainwash session ? 

	Lastly, if LSD users feel justified in forcably altering
	other peoples reality - then the drug warriors are equally
	justified in enforcing the maintenence of a state reality
	that suits them. 

	Don't do it ! It's not funny, it's not creative, it's not
	educational and it's certainly not in the interest of
	greater freedom. I wouldn't sneak-trip my worst enemy. 
	The results are overwhelmingly destructive. Any who would
	do such a thing are the scum of the earth and deserve
	to get an icepick stuck in their spine so they can spend
	their days in a wheelchair. Get a fucking grip on just
	what it is you are intending to do to people - rudely
	strip them of their minds and sanity. If that isn't a
	hanging offense then I don't know what is. It is one
	thing to trip *knowing* what you are doing, *choosing*
	the time and place - but to have it done to you as a
	fucking joke is justification for extreme revenge and
	I would never convict anyone who took such revenge.

	Who are you planning to sneak-trip ? How do you know it
	isn't me ... or someone who thinks like me ? Fascism is
	fascism no matter how well disguised - and sneak-trips
	are the stuff of a fascist attitude. It's no goddam
	joke. Playtime is over kiddies ... do this sort of thing
	to people and you deserve the worst that can happen
	to you.
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: storing mushrooms
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:52:10 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <9208020154.AA12383@wissel.stern.nyu.edu> 
jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu (J C. McTigue) writes:

> I have heard a lot of different things both on and off the net about
> storing shrooms.  Can someone with experience please tell me a good
> (preferably easy) way to store fresh shrooms?

This past weekend I attended a seminar by Terence McKenna, Author of 'Food 
of the Gods' and 'The Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide', among others. I 
asked him about storage techniques, specifically canning, and his response 
was, "Yeah, that sounds interesting. I don't see why not, and if you are 
able to do that I would be interested in hearing about it. What I find 
effective is drying the mushrooms and storing them in 5 gram quantities 
using those plastic freezer wrap devices, like Seal-a-meal, and putting 
them into the freezer. They should be good for several months. The ideal 
situation would be to store them in a nitrogen atmosphere, though."

So.... if you can find the Grower's Guide (penned under the pseudonyms 
'Oss' and 'Oeric') I'm sure you'll have enough info to get started.

Good luck,
           Rob

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the sun..."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:58:54 GMT

In article <00713509737@elgamy.sccsi.com> elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
>There's a whole lot of the field of psychology which cannot be called
>"truth" by any means. But when you state that the entire field is bunk, you
>are ignoring a large body of experimental evidence which has proven quite
>useful in "the real world" -- though you, as an engineer, probably will
>have never run across such applications (let's face it, knowing about
>experimenter expectancy effects doesn't help you design a computer to go
>any faster).

Things like the "Principle of Least Surprise," where you design a system
to function in the way that suprises a user the least?

Or the fact that my boss is always bothering me to find places to insert
more messages to tell the user that my code is still making progress on 
their problem?  (I get the nasty problems that can take several minutes
to solve).

Psychology may not make a system run faster, but only a fool doesn't 
recognize it can help make a system _appear_ to run faster, to make it
easier for a user to learn to use a system... and use it correctly,
etc.

Don't go razzing all engineers just because someone (... was he an
engineer?) razzed on you.  A few jobs back my company brought in a
"Human Factors" engineer (a sort of industrial psychologist) and
while she had problems with many people's user interfaces, she
praised mine.  As I recall the only non-trivial thing she complained
about was a requirement of the task... but she was impressed with
my use of color (modest, with one color for foreground information,
an 'active' color, a 'warning/error' color, and a color for background
information (this was what she criticized, but once I explained that
the background information was _supposed_ to be ignored unless the
user deliberately looked at it she accepted it)), the fact I provided
context information, the consistent behavior of the controls, etc.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Subject: Re: AA (Was Re: Definition of an addict.)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:04:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <2939@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:
>In <BsuBnG.561@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes:
>
>>The question is how is an addict being defined?  I'm looking here for the
>>'official' opinion of a group such as AA?
>
>AA does not have `official' opinions.
>

Tradition Ten states "AA has no opinion on outside issues...".  I belive
they do have an opinion about alcoholism, though:  on page 21 of Alcoholics
Anonymous (the "Big Book"), after discussing moderate and hard drinkers,
it says "But what about the real alcoholic?  He may start off as a moderate
drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some
stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor
consumption, once he starts to drink."

Seems pretty clear-cut to me--if you can control your drinking, you 
aren't an alcoholic.
-- 
Holly McGrath   <enigma@netcom.com> 
1803 Mission Street, #339          
Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
(408) 479-4072  (voice mail)
From: jamesp@cs.uwa.oz.au (James Pinakis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
Keywords: WEEKLY ANSWER TO alt.drug's FAVORITE QUESTION!!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:32:55 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.

In <11AUG199201280510@romeo.caltech.edu> joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis) writes:

>>This just illuminates how most net people would rather flame than be
>>helpful.
>The FAQ is very helpfull by "hinting" that this is a question that 
>DOESN'T NEED to be asked.  Your response just illuminates why a lot

This is a dumb thing to say.  You're making a judgement on what are and
aren't "valid" questions.  If you're tired of seeing questions asked over
and over then just skip them - you don't have to read every article posted.
Don't heap shit on people for asking a question and especially don't
try to tell people what questions "don't need" to be asked.  Are you part
of some fraternity to which I can't belong if I ask the wrong questions?
Is there some mystical cabal of drug wizards which sit smugly in the
knowledge that they know what questions should and shouldn't be asked?
Dumb dumb dumb.  You're as bad as the Politically Correct people who try
to tell me that that there is an absolute "right".  Stop trying to perpetuate
ignorance by jumping on people for being genuinely curious about something.

james
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Yohimbe
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:01:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug19.030526.4845@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.220441.24614@ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:
>>Question: Yohimbine (from the yohimbe bark) is supposedly a potent MAO
>>inhibitor.
>
>No, it's not.  It's a alpha-2 adrenergic antagonist.

Actually (now that I have some refs in front of me) it IS a MAO inhibitor, your
fact may be true; I know not what you speak of. (if they are approximately the
same thing; please make this clear for the Pharmacologically incompitant [me])

>Yohimbine bark (or stuff claimed to be such) is what is sold.
>I doubt that these preparations deliver any significant amount
>of the drug.  Yohimbine itself is an Rx-only medication, sold
>as a treatment for some forms of impotence.

Its Yohimbe bark, Yohimbine is the active alkaloid derived from Yohimbe. The 
stuff I got; 1/2 gram pills of the bark, was quite active at only twice the
recommended dose (I took 4 pills; they said to take 1-2). I don't remember the
manufacturer, but it was sold at GNC, and the bottle had a stylized red/white
/blue eagle on it. I'll find out the brand tomorrow for the curious (mail me).
I got all the clasic effects listed (i.e. shivers, spine tingles, CNS stim, sex
etc.) with no nausea. Never tried to trip off the stuff, no more than I would
try to trip off caffiene. The only drawback to this stuff is that it was $20
for a bottle of 50 pills (incidentally the bark is help in a gelatin base; 
solid pills). Aside from the sexual aspect of the stuff (and it was quite
helpful while lifting wieghts actually), there isn't much to recommend it at 
this price.
  Perhaps if you get ahold of the bark you might try extracting the
yohimbine, using some everclear (no rubbing alcohol-yuk). Do this by soaking 
for a day or so in ground-up bark than straining off the liquid & evaporating
the alcohol. The resultant substance can then be stuffed or placed under the 
tounge. [the previous extraction method was paraphrased from Magickal & Ritual
 uses for Herbs by Richard A. Miller]
>-- 

>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

-Scott
From: morley@Apple.COM (John Morley)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: White Rabbit
Summary: Lewis Carrol and Grace Slick - Words to live by
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:59:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <28819@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU>, jmctigue@.stern.nyu.edu (J C. McTigue) writes:
> I don't think this is the right place to post this, but I can't think of a
> better audience.  
> 
> My question concerns the following lyrics in Jefferson Airplane's "White
> Rabbit":
> And the red queen's off her head
> Remember what the dormouse said
> Feed your head, feed your head
> 
> I checked my copy of Alice and Wonderland, and couldn't find where the
> dormouse actually said that.  I looked up the tea party and the court, as
> (I think) they are the only scenes with the dormouse.
> 
> Did I get the lyrics wrong?  Did the dormouse never actually say that?
> Someone who was actually alive when this song came out must know...
> 

You got the lyrics wrong.  I believe that those lines actually are:

  And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
  Remember what the doorknob said,
  Feed your head, feed your head

The first line refers to the Red Queen going around and threatening to have
everyone's (especially Alice's) head cut off.

The second and third lines refer to the beginning of the story where Alice
is trying to get through the door that the rabbit ran through, and she gets
some helpful advice from the doorknob to feed her head (actually it tells her
to eat some pills that are lying around).  After providing the suggested
nourishment for her mind Alice is able to "enter" the world of the white
rabbit and have her adventure.

- John M.

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