HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mccray@crchh496.BNR.CA (Dale McCray)
Subject: Re: Who is Bobby Abrhams????
Reply-To: mccray@crchh496.BNR.CA (Dale McCray)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:21:04 GMT

In article <182loaINN4s3@news.aero.org>, mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
|>Will a Giants fan out there kindly tell this Cowboys fan why Dallas
|>picked up Bobby Abrhams and cut a promising young LB for him.  Does he
|>have any redeeming qualities???  Short answer or essay, it is your
|>choice   :)
|>
|>(a blurb is fine...anything)
|>
|>thanks, *ice*
|>
         
Just a wild guess, but maybe(as with Chad Fortune from the Redskins) JJ
wants to pick the brains of a castoff from a division rival just long
enough to get a preview of what we'll be facing. (Then, of course, it's
so long, Bobby.)
From: jacobson@capella.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Did Kerwin Bell make the Jets?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:14:10 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA

In article <j.m.crant.1.7.0@nd.edu> j.m.crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant) writes:
>I haven't seen Kerwin Bell's (QB) name on any of the Jets recent cut 
>lists.  So either he made the team or got the boot early in the preseason.  
>Anyone know the answer?


He was cut, but I don't know when.  He didn't play at all in any of
the pre-season games, and the three Jet QB's are Nagle, O'Brien, and
rookie Jeff Blake.

..
--
Douglas Jacobson		             __o                  GO METS!
jacobson@bucknell.edu                      `\_<,                  GO JETS!
                       __________________(*)/'(*)__________________
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 27 Aug 1992 18:19:13 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

I started the "toast" thread and I will stand by it. 

It's over, face it, come on swallow real hard and try to 
get a grip. 

MONTANA IS TOAST !
tim

reply:
but, but , but , if , if ,would have, could have. should have......
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Johnny Johnson signs
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:49:31 GMT

From this mornings sports, Johnny Johnson ended his holdout and signed a
2 year 1.5 million contract with the Phoenix Cardinals. JOhnny hopes to
play this sunday in the opener, but the Cards are asking for a special
2 week roster exemption for Johnson so he can get in better shape before
playing him. If they don't get the exemption, they will obviously have
to cut one more player. Johnson signed late last year, reported and 
played right away, the result was a strained arch that bothered him all
year(he got only 600+ yards last year). The team is obviously hoping to
avoid a repeat by giving him 2 weeks to get in shape(he has been running
and lifting weights on his own).

No mention of a trade was made, but with the strong preseason Ivory Lee
Brown had, they still might unload Johnson, or decide to keep him and
Brown and unload Anthony Thompson.

Personally I'm a little torn, Johnny played fairly local to me in highschool
and college, and I was thrilled when we drafted him. He had a great
rookie year, and has the potential to be a great back. He also has a
history of trouble with authority, and with Bill Bidwill as the owner,
his salary will always be a source of disagreement. It might be better
to trade him now, while the market might be high, rather than wait until
the inevitable conflict in the future to pursue a trade. I also am really
anxious to see Brown get a shot since Bugel has been touting him for the last
3 months.

Brown should get the bulk of the carries the next 2 weeks whether Johnny
is activated or not, so he will get a decent shot to prove he belongs
(although one of those games is against the Eagles which is a tough 
team to prove yourself against for a running back).




Russ Smith
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"A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather, and ask
for it back again when it begins to rain."
                                          Robert Frost
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From: vnguyen@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Vu Nguyen)
Subject: Re: SF Backs
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:08:28 GMT

In article <BtrM00.6AJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>O.K. Niner fans, who are your running backs going to be?
>
>Who will start besides T. Rathman?
>
>How many points will the Bills beat you guys by in week #2?
>(That is, after we dispose of the Rams for you)
>

  Gosh!  How many more Super Bowls will you choke before you stop talking 
  nonsense?

  Nguyen.
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Chiefs Supplemental Pick
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:14:10 GMT

A week or two ago the NFL had a supplemental draft in which the KC Chiefs
drafted a DL in the second round.  There was some talk of him going in the
first round.  (Sorry to keep refering to this player in the third person, but
I cannot remember his name right now ...).  Anyways, does anyone have the 
college stats on this guy and predictions on his future in the NFL?  Thanks.

-- 
-- Thad Crews                         (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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"Some people have a way with words, and some people, ... oh ... *not* have
a way, I suppose..."  -- Steve Martin
From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jerry Rice signs with the 49ers!
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <holly.185@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>In article <5080@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>
>
>>Just heard it on the local news.. Rice has signed
>>3 1-year contracts with the San Francisco 49ers.
>>Jerry reported to camp today (Tues) and will play in 
>>this Friday's game with Seattle. 
>
>>John Abt
>
>I heard the amount was $5.7 million for a 3 year contract (or 1.9 mil a yr).
>-----
>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com

I also heard that the contract was a three one year contracts. However, I heard
on the radio that it was for 7.8 million, not 5.7.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd)
Subject: Mark Bavarro
Reply-To: dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:11:44 GMT


Does anyone know anything about Mark Bavarro?  I heard that he started
pre-season with the Browns.  Is he still there?  Is he expected to
start at TE?

Thanks!
-Don

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From: baxter@donald.cs.umn.edu (Stephenson Thomas)
Subject: Status of Gerald Riggs
Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities ACM
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:10:06 GMT

Could someone PLEASE inform me as to the status of Gerald Riggs.  I
know he was released from the skins, but did he retire?  I heard no
mention of this in any papers or TV reports.  Thanks.
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Micheal Irvin signing?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 18:20:55 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <1992Aug26.163047.13589@henson.cc.wwu.edu> steves@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Steve Schunzel) writes:
 >I have just heard that Micheal Irvin of the Cowboys recently signed. 
 >Could anybody tell me if it's true or not.  And if not, hows the
 >negotiations coming?
 >
 >Thanks,
 >Steve

I just got off the phone to the Director of PR for the Cowboys Dave Pelletier,
He stated "Michael Irvin has signed NO contract with the Dallas cowboys".

I went on and ask him "Are they close ?" his reply "No comment"

Go Cowboys !!!!!!
tim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Subject: Re: EATING WORDS!
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:48:28 GMT

In article <holly.200@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>In article <9glnlsm.xtifr@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>
>
>>Now this I can understand.  But realistically, I'd sure hate to bet the
>>farm on the "fact" that Joe is over the hill.  Do you guys know
>>something I don't?
>
>I sure hope Joe does come back, just so the guys saying Montana is washed up 
>will get one last look at the greatest quarterback of all time and get to 
>eat their words.
>
>I also see no evidence that Joe, if healthy, can not go to the Superbowl 
>again.  He played well, while in pain, after his back surgery.  If anyone 
>can make a comeback, it's Joe Montana.  
>


  OK folks....one last time here:

  1. I think Joe Montana is probably the best QB to ever play the game, and
     have said so several times.

  2. My UNBIASED personal opinion of the physical condition of his arm, and 
     hence his ability to play professional football as a quarterback, IN NO
     BLEEPIN' WAY infers what I think of his accomplishments, desire to play,
     or committment to be the best.  It simply means that I THINK that if you
     can't throw a football 30 yards without intense pain, you can't be a QB
     in professional football!  And it's not like he just sprained his elbow
     here folks....he had major surgery on it, and even the expert doctors 
     say he should be as healed now as he ever will.

  3. So, if you wish to continue to take my opinion on his physical condition
     as a slanderous assault on his good name, go right ahead....your "Joe-
     Montana-Rose-Colored_Glasses" are alot thicker than I ever dreamed.


     And Holly, this little tirade of mine isn't really aimed as a response 
     to your post....yours was one of the most lucid I've seen of the all the
     "Joe-aholics".  It was just a conveinent place to say it...

  
  
  Pete Collins

  P.S.  And for the record folks, I TOO would love to see him make a comeback,
	but I think time has finally caught up with Joe Montana.


>GO NINERS!
>-----
>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sackers
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.78913
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <24352@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>1.  Lawrence Taylor     N.Y. Giants        121-1/2
>
>We Redskins fans best remember Lawrence Taylor for his breaking Joe 
>Theismann's leg during QB sacking.  Boy, the term " QB sacking" does 
>sound too soft here; it was more of QB mauling!  :-)

You're right.  They ought to give LT 4-5 sacks for that bone-shattering hit
especially when you compare it to instances where the QB falls down rather than
being leveled.
-- 
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  Editor-in-chief of the ARAPOUT: All the news that is fit to print...NOT!
	Alpha Rho Chapter - Alpha Phi Omega - The University of Texas
"My grandmother started walking five miles a day when she was 60.  She's 93 to-
day -- and we don't know where the hell she is."	-- Ellen DeGeneres
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Mraz )
Subject: Fridge is signed, Ditka biogrpahy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:00:34 GMT
Keywords: Fridge, Book

William "Refrigerator" Perry has signed with the Chicago Bears. It is a
2-year deal loaded with weight incentive clauses that, if upheld by Fridge,
could make him the highest paid defensive player on the team.  Head Coach
Mike Ditka said Perry will not start and may not play. They have until
Saturday afternoon to decide, and if they do activate Perry, someone will
have to be cut.  I think he will be activated, as the Bears need him to stop
the running attack of Barry Sanders Sunday when they play Detroit.
   In other news, the "unauthorized" biography of Mike Ditka comes out
   Friday.  Excerpts are being published in the Chicago Tribune this week.
   I read a little bit of it today, which dealt with Iron Mike's various
   injuries.  Ditka is unfazed by the book, saying he knows himself better
   than anyone else.

-- 
"How bad can the economy be if Michael Dukakis has a job?"-Rush Limbaugh
DA BULLS! GO BLACKHAWKS! WHITE SOX WIN, YES!


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From: ptripp@diana.cair.du.edu (Phil Tripp)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana and other QB's
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:05:44 GMT


Are all of you who want Joe to quit while he's "ahead" too
young to remember George Blanda?

-- 
Phil Tripp, Computing and Information Resources, U of Denver, Denver, CO, USA
ptripp@zephyr.cair.du.edu
From: dsobiera@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Damian Sobieralski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mike Stonebreaker
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:37:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University (Bloomington, Indiana)

>A player rated very highly coming out of college does not necessarily
>translate intoa startin position in the pros.  An example that comes to
>mind is Andre Ware.

  True, but I don't understand why Stonebreaker was let go and Zorich
stays. Pity Zorich couldn't be retrained for the LB position. He's got the
speed for, as well as the size (grin). He'd be an excellent run stopper, 
but i think its a bit late to pick up a new skill.  Quite painful to watch
him try to work vs a block on a run play when we was sub-ing for the fridge
in pre-season. I've made alot of jokes around my house about the fridge, but
I think I can at least admit that he does fill holes on a running play.


-- 
Damian Sobieralski
(dsobiera@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)
From: arik@thepad.EBay.Sun.COM (Arik Klingensmith (Naturally Wired))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Irvin Status
Date: 27 Aug 1992 20:48:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: arik@thepad.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thepad.ebay.sun.com

Anyone have any new information on the status of Irvin?  

---
Thank you,
Arik Klingensmith 		arik.klingensmith@ebay.sun.com
From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/2
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.212017.14645@unlinfo.unl.edu>, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike
Gleason) writes...
>a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan) writes:
> 
>>The Pats roster looks like this:
>>K--Charlie Baumann
> 
>I was ecstatic when they cut Staurovsky.  I've never heard of this guy.
>I hope he has better control than Staurovsky.  It could be worse; they
>could have picked up Scott Norwood!

	I'm glad they didn't pick up Scott Norwood.  It hurts their chances of
beating the Bills!  Norwood is a good kicker.  Even when they got rid of him, he
still had better accuracy in Rich Stadium than almost all of the kickers who
went before him.

>>WR is a hurting spot.  Lockwood is actually a rookie RB listed as a WR.  The
>>Pats will be looking for experienced receivers.  Rumor has it that the Pats
>>have offered veterans John Stephens and Eugene Lockhart for trades.

	Actually, most of the team is a "hurting spot," but at least the Pats
don't suck like they used to.  ( For that matter, neither do the Bills. )

>Since Houston cut Mario Bailey, perhaps the P's can snatch him.  Sure he's
>overrated, but it would be tough to make Houston's cut with the depth they
>have at WR.
> 
>--mg                                                      mgleason@cse.unl.edu

Snoopy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bill Bidwill
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:03:37 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep1.194153.24261@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
> 	Speaking of bad picks, whatever happened to the guy they drafted in 90 or
>'91, the DL that never played in college?  Wasn't he the sixth pick overall?  I
>even forgot his name.


Eric Swann is the guy and he was NOT a bad pick. Swann played pretty well
after knee surgery last year and from what Scott 
Creasman posted is playing on passing downs only right now(recovering from
another minor surgery and "nagging injuries" -thanks for update Scott).
If you saw the game against the 49ers last year you would remember the 
name. Swann played the nose(not his eventual position) and just destroyed
Jesse Sapolu to the point that for most of the 2nd half they had a 2nd
lineman and a back assigned to help on Swann, because he was in Bono's
face on virutally every play.

The bad picks were Anthony Bell, Kelly Stouffer, and my personal favorite
CLyde Duncan, all of whom were drafted without ever having worked out for
the Cards, or been interviewed by the Cards. All they had was film and
the combines , taking guys in the early 1st round with that little research
is unheard of in the NFl. FYI, duncan was taken over a pretty fair guy
by the name of Louis Lipps(both were receivers) and that pick cost the 
Cards the NFC east title that year as they spent the whole year trying 
to find one more receiver to help Pat Tilley and Roy Green(remember
Cedric Mack playing both ways?).

To date, Swann has outperformed Russell Maryland who was the top pick in
the whole draft, and now some of the Cowboy fans on this net are suggesting
Maryland should be traded(remember how they defened the choice and the 
trade last year?). I like Maryland, but if Swann's knees aren't a chronic
problem(and the doctors say the won't necessarily be chronic), Swann
could be a real good football player.




Russ Smith
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"A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather, and ask
for it back again when it begins to rain."
                                          Robert Frost
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>
>
>>I really hope this story turns out to be false and just a misunderstanding,
>>because I would really hate to think that the Cards care that little about
>>their players that they would make the final cuts and not notify the 
>>affected players right away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Russ Smith
>>*******************************************************************************
>
>>"A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather, and ask
>>for it back again when it begins to rain."
>>                                          Robert Frost
>>*******************************************************************************
>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cornelius Bennett signed today...
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Bennett signed today, but I apologize for not having any details. I 
didn't have a chance to catch the 6 O'clock news, but I did see
Jim Kelly on ESPN's ShaapTalk. He indicated Biscuit had signed.

I'll watch the late news and see what cuts were made as well as 
Biscuit's contract. I'll post then.


Doug

                                    |                              Doug Evans
                                    | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                    |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WANTED: patriots mailing list
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:14:51 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft

11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:

>I'm looking to join the Patriots Mailing list if there is one out there
>in the small world.

Me too.  Perhaps someone near Boston (or anyone who knows the scoop on the
P's) would like to start a 'Patriots News' like the Redskins, Lions, and
others have on r.s.f.p.
--
mike gleason, NCEMRSoft.                                  mgleason@cse.unl.edu
                    "Fock you oss hoel" -- A. Schwarzenegger
From: v102q5hc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JIM BAUMGARTNER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo loses another player on Defense
Summary: Phil Hansen
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:31:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <47128@shamash.cdc.com>, jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt) writes...
>With the departure of Seals, does this mean Phil Hanson will now
>start at DE?
> 
The word from the Bills is that Hansen had beaten out Seals for the starting job
and that the reason they traded Seals was they did not want a $500,000 defensive
end sitting on the bench. I think this trade is good news for Bills' fans 
because I don't think Seals would have been traded unless Bruce Smith's knee was
considered to be back to normal.
                                                         Jim Baumgartner
                                                         University at Buffalo
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Greatest QB ever [Again]  (was Re: EATING WORDS!)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  4 SEP 92 08:59:43    

In article <1992Sep4.015442.23197@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...

>In article <x4lnkl=.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>>  [ text deleted ]
>>At least the greatest QB retired at the top of his game.  Staubach didn't
>>try to make "one more comeback" past his prime.
>>
>>Gordon
>
>I will however state (since you asked) that if I were to name two 
>of the best, not the best, but two of the greatest/best QB's, only two 
>names instantly come to mind:  Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas! 
>Roger was good but not that good to compare with Montana or Unitas.

Oh, man.  Let's not start this again.  Besides, if you all had any 
sense you'd know the greatest QB ever is Bart Starr.  :-)

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: NFL Schedule wanted
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:29:58 GMT

>>If anyone has a file with the full season NFL schedule, could you
>please E-mail it to me.  I'm involved in a pool and we would like a full
>schedule for the picks.
>I'd appreciate it if someone can send me one too. Thanks


Both of you should read the message titled "Data available on FTP sites"
from a few hours ago.


--Gidi

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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer notes
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.122233.18784@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:

	[ ... ]

>Additional IR 8-31-92
>---------------------
>OL Joe Garten

This hurts OL depth.  Who's behind Moran and Hallstrom?  For that
matter, who's backing up anyone?  Expect at least two OL to be picked
up this week, maybe Cheek and Viaene.

>I also heard RUMORED that Charles Wilson was placed on IR and was told
>he would be waived when healthy.  I've not had this confirmed.  

	[ ... ]

Wilson is on IR.
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)