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From: RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Women in Physics
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:16:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

>From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
>Subject: Women in Physics
>
>        Adapted from: Physics Today, Aug 1992; "Women in Physics: Reversing
>        the Exclusion", Mary Fehrs & Roman Czujko
>
>        -------------------------------------------------------------------
>        Women physics faculty and degree recipients in various countries
>        -------------------------------------------------------------------
>                                PHYSICS         RECENT          RECENT
>                                FACULTY         PhDs            BACHELORS
>        COUNTRY                         (percentage who are women)
>
>        INDIA                   10              26              25
>        .
>        .
>        .
>        US                       3               9              15
>        --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>        [I once mentioned in this newsgroup that a typical Indian grad
>        student coming to the US is accustomed to having female teachers
>        and colleagues.  This table provides the necessary substantiation.]

   I also wrote in another posting that when I was a student in Bombay, about
a third of the faculty were women, including a full professor in Physics.
After I transferred to a school in US, none of my professors were women.

   Here are two interesting tidbits:

   There is a list outside our chemistry department of recent Ph. D. in
Chemistry.  8 out of 10 have asian names, including at least one woman.

   A couple of years ago I took part in a symposium on Artificial Intelligence.
All speakers were from outside the US.  When one speaker from Iran could not
come, he was replaced by another - an Italian.  The symposium remained non-US.
What is tragic is that with all the politicization of education, US born
white males have become less likely to go into science and the effect on
America is not going to be good.  Let us not look at the sex or color of
potential scientists, but only at their talent and whether they are willing
to work hard.

     The politics disease is not confined to the US.  In Madras which poroduced
Ramanujan, probably history's most talented mathematician (not the best, just
most talented - his training was poor) it is routine to discriminate against
Brahmins.  But Ramanujan was a Brahmin!!  This is foolish.  (Incidentally, I
am not a Brahmin - I just hate politics going into education.)

  Rohit Parikh
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 15:21:43 CDT
From: <U56789@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:    Nainesh Khimasia


I regret to inform that Mr. Nainesh Khimasia , a graduate student in EECS
at the Univ. of Illinois at Chicago passed away on the 17th August 1992.
He hails from Ahmedabad and did his bachelor's at the L.D. Engineering college.

He was suffering from Leukemia and was admitted at the Univ. of Illinois
Hospital for the last one month.

His final rites were performed today the 19th of August 1992. Please send
your condolence messages to this Email address. They will be handed over to
a member of his family.

Sanjeev
U53433@uicvm.uic.edu
From: sankar@hal.COM (Sankar Bandy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: religious talks
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:26:37 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: quality.hal.com

In article <1992Aug13.135831@daffy.mc.ti.com> (savithri) writes:
>
>Recently the postings on islam etc. are getting to be an
>annoyance and as some have suggested, it really should be
>in some "religious" group.  The only thing we learn from
>history is that we don't learn anything from history.
>What islam is going through are growing pains, just as 
>christianity went through a few centuries ago.  We also
>know that they were quite bloody in nature just as it is
>bloody today around the globe.  MOST of the waring factions
>today involve some nation against a neighbouring moslem group
>(just as it was with christianity).  Again from history we
>know that this will end (not soon enough to stop all the mindless
>killing and misery inflicted on innocent folks (esp. children)).
>Then there will be several INTEPRETAIONS of the book just as it
>is with the bible leading to methodists, unitarians, etc. etc.
>
>Then a NEW faith will come (peacefully at first) and start the
>ball rolling again.  I guess we humans are condemned to this
>wheel and somebody somwhere is having the last laugh.  
>The only way out of this is to abolish reiligion from this
>earth (WHAT A DREAM!)
>
>
>savithri

You could not have put it better! I agree with you 100 %. However
DREAMS have much more potency than you think. For instance once
the Blacks in America dreamed about a society where they can live
freely. Now we in India, we dream about winning OLYMPIC medals etc.
etc., the DREAMS are sure going to inspire us, though not soon
enough I agree. SO DREAM ON. 

>> Sankar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ramesh@veda (Ramesh Doddamani)
Subject: Re: Categories and Castes
Reply-To: ramesh@veda.cwru.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.122258.10537@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca  
(Raghu B) writes:
> 
> .........................
> ............ So if at all a person beloging to the
> backward category could some how make marks good enough to compete
> in the category, he could get a seat under that category. But then
> he will make use of the Back ward category advantage to get as far
> as he could go. What a disgusting system. 

"Could somehow make marks ......"??
       ^^^^^^^
Looks like all the 'backward caste' people 'somehow' make marks and get a seat.  
This is a dangerous prejudiced view. 

> All he has got now is
> a Double Advantage scene. There is no place for DEUCE. He should always
> lead and others should be just a fellow picking up balls for him.
> Like a person who wants to play tennis cannot play alone. He needs
> someone on the otherside of the net. So he chooses Brahmin on the other
> side. He knows that he plays better and he is sure to get the ball back.
> But he will never let him serve the ball. This guy alone will serve the
> ball and all that the person on the other side should do is to return
> the ball. Ithu Enna nyayam sir.

Assuming the Brahmin is better, who made this person what he is? Who did not  
let the other person know nothing about tennis? If he did know what tennis was,  
who was it that did not let him practice it for thousands of years? It's now  
his day and he is making use of it.
 
> 	So even if you guys have a brilliant idea that the reservations
> should be based upon the % of the population then Brahmins constitute
> 10% of the population. Then why the hell don't you guys give him his
> share of 10% and not interfere with that. You have the remaining 90% and
> you do whatever the hell you want to do with it. Why do you want to
> screw others share. You get yours and we get ours. This is justice and
> this is fairness.
> 
> ..................................................
> 			Raghu, Balasubramanian
> 
Ever tried to do some observations on  who has how much share?  You have  
already got what you wanted.

Ramesh


--
From: ggverma@apee.cse.ogi.edu (Gaurav Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Looking for Mihir Sejpal
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:30:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41794
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Applied Physics & Electrical Engineering, Beaverton

In article <57290@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chandi@cantata.cc.purdue.edu (Hiren Chandiramani) writes:
>hi, 
>I am looking for Mihir Sejpal who came here in 1988 to do his  
>undergraduation in Ohio wesleyhan (i am not sure of the spelling).If  
>anyone knows his e-mail address , phone # etc please mail it to me
>Thanks
>Hiren 

Hi Hiren,
	I went to Ohio Wesleyan with Mihir - he and I did the same
major - anyways he is going to Univ of Pennsylvania next semester
for a PhD in Physcis - I think right now he is still at Wesleyan  
you can send him e-mail at MRSEJPAL@CC.OWU.EDU .
Gaurav.
From: RSIE08M@SAUPM00.BITNET (Mohammed Arif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Subscription
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:14:48 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
X-Unparsable-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 11:07:04 SAT

Please add my name to your list
Name: Mohammed Arif
E-Mail: RSIE08M@saupm00.BITNET


Best Regards,

Arif.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: satya@orion.hi-csc.honeywell.com (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Capitation fees
Organization: Sensor & System Development Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:28:21 GMT

(Rajeev Jog) writes:
>> 
>> * Capitation fee cannot be charged - Supreme Court
>
>This seems similar to the U.S. Supreme Court finding rights which are
>not explicitly enumerated in the constitution, such as the "right to
>privacy".  I believe the Indian constitution does list any explicit
>"right to education".
>
I guess you meant 'does not list any explicit ..'

Anyway, I totally disapprove of the conservative stand that the court
has to strictly and literally interpret the constitution. The whole
idea of having a court, judges, cases, lawyers on both the sides,
deliberations, so on and so forth, IS to interpret the constitution.

Doesn't matter the framers did not think of the right. The court
should and must have the right to infer rights. Take the case of
Brown vs Board in US. Well, the constitution did not say anything
about segregation in schools. But the court, in its wisdom, inferred
the right to discrimination-free education. 

In other words, an activist approach that expands on the rights to
adapt to changing circumstances is extremely important if the code
of law has to have any relevance to the way we live.

The same holds true for India also. To extend the US style of
free enterprise education (with indiscriminate chargng of huge
capitation fees) to India is unwise, in my opinion.

Satya Prabhakar, from the far left.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:29000 alt.culture.kerala:181
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: sic gloria transit mundi [Was Re: Curious observation.]
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:07:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: -

Silly stuff. Hit 'n' now.

   Sthan:
   [No deletions keeping in mind ages of the participants]
Participant"s"? Gee. Thanks.
   
   Me:
   >Respect for old age, am I not right, Paul?
Sorry. I missed a crucial smiley at the end of that sentence.  I picked the age
issue from an earlier posting, where the poster said age is on George's side. I
hope you didn't mind, George.
   
   Sthan:
   >Some more plausible reasons for George's comments could be that
   >they:
   >d) don't keep testing the "waters"
   >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sthan doesn't seem to know you, George. May be it's time we 'educate' him. :-)
     
   >not to mention pertinent, succinct etc..
I agree with the 'etc' part.

Regards,
-Raghavan, V.
     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vrg@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (v.r.gopala.rao)
Subject: Re: A request to Arindam Ghosh
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:47:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.191851.10730@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
>p.s. : I don't have anything against your Bahai faith. It is only that
>it does not belong to SCI.
>
>Raja

If matrimonials, commercials from people wanting to sell bangles, sarees,
lunches and truck rentals, job posts, discussions about islam and hinduism,
bad jokes, offensive jokes, questions on chess and operating systems, and
not to mention umpteen test messages belong on this, then discussions
about Bahai faith also belong here. In fact, more so than most of the
others just mentioned.

rao
From: bhattach@dip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Origin of the word 'caste' (was Re: Fair and lovely: Remember that face cream ?)
Keywords: color skin
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:43:17 GMT

In article <4791@balrog.ctron.com> raja@ctron.com writes:
>
>To be safe I repost the copyright statement:
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
>                   Copyright 1992 Newspaper Publishing PLC
>                                The Independent
>
>                             August  2, 1992, Sunday
>
>Notebook: Michael Jackson: beyond the pale
>
>By FIAMMETTA ROCCO
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	High-caste Indians
>	whisper that the low-born have irregular, coarse and fleshy faces. 
>	And the very word caste comes from the Portuguese for ''pure stock''. 
>	It is linked, etymologically, to the Latin for ''chaste''.
>
>When did we decide to use the etmylogical analysis based on Portuguese and
>Latin for words of Indian-origin ? Use Sanskrit, if needed.
>Another one of those careless western distortion with-out regard for a
>proper understanding.

It seems to me quite reasonable that a word like 'caste' may have an European
etymology rather than a Sanskrit-derived one. 'Caste' was the Europeans' 
name for a phenomenon they saw in India, so it is not necessarily true that
the word would be Sanskrit-derived. Rather, it is more likely that they would
use a word they were already familiar with , to name this phenomenon. 

My Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959 edition) says that the word
'caste' is derived from the Portuguese 'casta' meaning 'race' or 'unmixed
race', which in turn is derived from Latin 'castus' meaning 'pure'.

The Portuguese connection seems quite reasonable because the Portuguese were
for the most part the first European traders to come to India on a large scale.

On a related note, there are quite a few Portuguese-derived words in Indian
languages, at least in Bengali. For instance,

                        Bengali      Portuguese

      window            janala        janela
      tea               cha           cha
      
>|
>| Raja Seth : raja@balrog.ctron.com
>|
>| All opinions expressed in this article are my own. 
>| The company I work for has no claim or liability
>| to this article in any implicit or explicit form. 
>|

-Sayan Bhattacharyya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sayan Bhattacharyya    
Artificial Intelligence Lab
The University of Michigan
From: sankar@hal.COM (Sankar Bandy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Meat eating....etc!
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:09:47 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: quality.hal.com

In article <16a5c4INNing@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> sngattan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Sanjay N Gattani) writes:
>swami1@troy.uucp (22535-swaminathan) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug10.200746.16997@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug10.175759.18944@uceng.UC.EDU>, rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Aug10.051224.28845@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth) writes:
>>>> >In article <1992Aug9.212432.16996@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (SHALINI ANAND) writes:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Plants do have a 'right to live'. 
........ Stuff deleted..........
>I think there is a slight difference between plants and animals (or the 
>livin beings).  Plants can recover parts that have been cut off but if
>an animal loses one of its limbs, (I believe) it has to stay that way.
>So God did intend to treat plants differently from the animals.  As
>far as veg or non-veg food is concerned, that again I think is an indivdual's
>choice.  To be rational about something that you strongly believe in is rather 
>difficult.
>
>sanjay
Just another idea: Do the people who rationalise vegetarianism on the
above grounds know this? There are quite a few specis of plants that
eat insects like spiders, Bees, lady bird and even small mice etc.
So looks can be pretty deceptive. It has been proved by Acharya J. C.
Bose and others after him that plants have emotion and pain; only the
outward response is different from animals. Even if functionally plants
are more different than animals, internally at the cell level, they are
all the same(An excellent reference is Dr. Carl Sagan's Cosmos, book
and video both). We are much more similar to the plants than we ever
think of.

Even from a strategic point of view for chosing your food. Plants are
related in a much stronger way to the Evolution and Ecosystem than 
any animals or humans. The Earth's atmosphere and the Oxygen taking
life forms that we know of is a gift of the plants. IMO, cutting
down of trees/plants for food and shelter is indeed much more
a crime against the whole of existence than eating animals for 
food. IMO, if we want to develop a morality of not killing animals
for any reason, we should much earlier develop a morality of not
cutting any trees(Oh! But USA depends on this for its real estate,
otherwise it won't come out of recession, so we must continue it.
what a joke :-)). Killing plants/animals for eating is fine because
that is your survival against theirs. Killing (Cutting) them for
anything else as well as being cruel to them is indeed bad.
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: State Flags in the Indian Union
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:47:38 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
: 
: 
: 	Do states in India have flags (similar to that in the US)?
: I was just wondering. If all states had their respective flags
: and birds and animals, it will add more color to our union.
: If this is not in practice at the moment, let me guess what
: flag symbols some states should have (Make your choice..) 
: 
: 	Delhi        - Qutb-Minar (Though not a state yet)
: 	UP           - Taj Mahal
: 	Kashmir      - ???
: 	Punjab       - Golden Temple
: 	Haryaana     - ???
: 	HP	     - Snowclad Mountains
: 	Rajasthan    - A Royal figure
: 	Bihar        - Sanchi Stupa
: 	Bengal       - ???
: 	Madya Pradesh- ???
: 	Gujarat      - ???
: 	Maharashtra  - ???
: 	Assam        - Woman carrying Tea leaves
: 	Nagaland     - ???
: 	Mizoram      - ???
: 	Orissa       - Konarak Temple
: 	AP           - ???
"PILLALAMARRI", very old banyan tree near my native place.

---Sree.
: 	Karnataka    - One of the Belur sculptures
: 	Kerala       - Kathakali Dancer's face
: 	TN           - Mahabalipuram Temple
: 	Anymore??
: 
: Partha sarathy	
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:28608 rec.travel.air:4100
From: elee74n@rosie.uh.edu (P.D.D)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: How is Cathay Pacific Airlines ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.021200.13696@openage.openage.com>, ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes...
>gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> 
>>Hi,
> 
>>I would like to know if any of you had an experience flying with 
>>Cathay pacific. Seems they are offering a good deal of around $1420
>>with a night stay at Hong Kong (both to and fro) with hotel expenses 
>>paid. Does anyone have an idea of how much the visa in HongKong would cost 
>>and what are the food and other expenses. Also how good are they about 
>>schedules etc. 
	
	Indian citizens dont need a visa, but keep aside $20 (or 40, i dont 
remember exactly) cash for airport tax. I travelled on CP in december and i 
enjoyed it. the service was good , the beer selection is pretty bad (*sigh*),
but it was good overall. food in honkong wont cost you much...$20-30 max!
also dont plan on any sight seeing...there's not enough time.


> 
>Cathay Pacific is a good reliable airline but it bit more expensive than
>the rest.
> 
>Currently Northwest is having a deal to Asia for $798+ (798 for Seoul
>and Tapei) if you can complete your travel by approx Dec 15
>(6 - 21 day stay).
> 
>Visa are not required for US citizens for upto 60 days but I am not
>aware of the requirement for Indian citizens.
> 
>-- 
> 
>Very grateful guest of Openage - the best SCO service shop in the area
>************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Keywords: Is it just me amd why not HE?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:23:24 GMT
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <1992Aug19.195553.13271@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar) writes:
>2) Spending a night in a predominantly female atmosphere, and waking up
>   to the sound of giggles and what not to discover that I'd parted company
>   with my lungi in the course of the night. (No one seduced me. I should
>   be so lucky !)
>**Sridhar**


Tell me more about it.  How the hell, can you sleep in a `public'
place with your lungi saying sayonara to you? eh ?  weirdo !
Before this thread gets X-rated by the guardians of SCI, please
post whether the lungi was your only companion for that night, or
other `garments' walled the ghastly contents of your midriff.

One does not jump off a cliff without learning how to use a glider.
similarly, one does NOT (repeat) NOT sleep, untill one has mastered
the art of wrapping oneself in a `semi-transparent white dhoti'.
garishly coloured lungi's are a step backward.


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: asingh@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Avninider Singh)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:13:55 GMT

test:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: cs611a08@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs611a08)
Subject: Interesting article on X-posters of sci,scp,scb (just give a glance)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:54:00 GMT


		Last kick to Cross Posters on sc.india, pakistan, bangladesh
		============================================================

	My account is closing shortly so why not give some bad words to
Cross POSTER.

(1)	You bastards  REMEMBER THAT WHEN I AM MARRYING A WOMEN I SHOULD NOT
	GET A MAN. BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU CLOWNS GAVE ME.

(2)	When I am saying yes to subscription to SOC.CULTURE>INDIAN 
	
	I SOULD NOT BE SAYING YES TO SC.PAKISTAN OR BANGLADESH.

(3)	I know which news group to subscribe and I am very positive
	that pakistanis and bangladeshis know which group to
	subscribe.

(4)	When some one is saying YES to one group it does not mean
	HE IS BLOODY INTERESTED IN SUBSCRIBING  the other 2 newsgroup.

(5)	THESE X-POSTERS ARE BLOODY F.Y. *&&^ ARE EITHER INTERESTED IN
	UNIFICATION OF INDIA, PAKISTAN, $ BANGLADESH OR

	 they are interested to create problems if not war betwween
	newsgroup or between these countries.

	
	I simply do not like PAKISTANIS NOR BANGLADESHIS but it does
not give me right to go in there newsgroup and post some "flame" article.
I just do not go in there group I expect other indians or pakistanis or
bangladeshis to do the same.

	Remember f*^&$ IF SOME ONE IS MARRYING A WOMAN HE SHOULD not BE
MARRYING A MAN. THERE IS NO NEED FOR YOU TO TELL which group I
should subsribe which I should not.

 If you want go in there newsgroup and read and post do not push
your UNIFICATION IDEA TO US. DEATH TO UNIFICATION.



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