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From: barn@convex.com (Tim Barney)
Subject: Re: More music w/o rock
Summary: Still more yet!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:52:18 GMT
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Well, I'm getting more suggestions since I wrote this group off and
so I'm resuscribing once more to post what appear to be very good suggestions:
Tim
>From keith@xxxxxxxxxxxnavy.mil Thu Dec 17 13:32:28 1992
>Hi Tim,
>I thought I'd tell you about some more music you might be interested in.

>The first is anything by ReGeneration, or Derric Johnson and ReGeneration.
>I don't think they're still making records, but you can still find their
>classics like "Hymns in Velvet" and "Christmas in Velvet" around.  Almost all
>of their music is acapella, and they have some incredibly pretty arrangements.
>It's NOT the "pop-style" acapella that some groups like Take 6 and Acapella
>use.
>
>The other "group" I want to mention is the John Marshall family. They are a 
>family with 10 kids (all of whom sing) that go to various churches to sing. I 
>think the father preaches too, although I haven't heard him - I only heard one
>of their "concerts".  This family is obviously very blessed with musical
>talent. Not only do they all sing well, they each play various instruments 
>(piano, violins, mandolins, acoustic guitars, trumpets, harp, etc...)  So they
>sing and accompany themselves with the instruments.  My wife and I bought 5 of
>their tapes, and I'm afraid they're going to be worn out before long. The tapes
>that we have are: "He Gives Me Joy", "I Will Praise Him", "The Glory of 
>Children", "Each Step I Take", and "I've No Regrets".  They seem to make a new
>tape every year or so, and I think "He Gives Me Joy" is their newest. I'd 
>start with that one.  Their address is:
>
>		The John Marshall Family
>		4220 E. Galbraith Rd.
>		Cincinnati, OH 45236 
>
>I hope this is of some help to you. I wish there was some better way of
>describing music over the computer... :^)
>
>Regards,
>Keith K
[Full name deleted in case he wanted to avoid net publicity, else he would've
posted himself- Tim]
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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:46:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.190205.4063@samba.oit.unc.edu> danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:
>Actually, there are lots of button down types in my church who are totally
>sold out for God, relatively unlegalistic, and have no problem with my
>dress or my hair.  However, many churches just seem resistant to any other
>type of Christian. 

There will always be churches like that.  And there are churches resistant to
the button-down Christian.  Can't we just go somewhere else and not worry 
about it?  Perhaps God has been doing other things in the life of that body
of believers and hasn't gotten around to some stuff yet (tongue partially
in cheek).

>Well, I respect John MacArthur for his anointing and ability to teach, and
>would be willing to listen to him, but I don't really trust him since he's
>so anti-charismatic.  I've read some of his stuff and really believe he is
>partially in error.

Again, perhaps the Lord is still working with MacArthur in that area.  Would
you dismiss him because the Lord isn't finished in some ways?
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From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Re: Hymn Fake book. I found it!
Originator: npstewar@c00722-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:12:04 GMT


Sorry about numbers, I found it at (Where else) Baptist Bookstore, a chain that
exists around NC.  I don't know how far they go, but I would assume that the
chain is at least nationwide.  If not, any christian bookstore should be able
to find it for you. Any christian bookstore that stocks hymnbooks should be able
to get it without any difficulty.

Now if I could just get our church to use the baptist hymnal.(Maybe they would
if I modified the cover to say 'XXXXX Hymnal'.)

In case I forgot to mention the price, all instrumental version retail (I think
it's retail price) for $27.95. I didn't see the price on the conductor's version.

I'll try to get numbers for you, but I'm in the middle of finals.  Last two are
tomorrow, and I'm going home for Christmas within a couple of hours of taking
the last one. I don't know how to pull up the newsreader from home over the
modem, so it'll probably be January before you hear from me again.


npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu
Nathan Stewart
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From: zebra@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman)
Subject: Mastedon: It's a Jungle Out There (CD)
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:51:52 GMT

	If I remember correctly, I thought I read a few weeks ago
	that some people were having trouble finding/ordering the
	CD:
	    Mastedon - It's a Jungle Out There

	I thought I read that some people have had it on back order
	for over 9 months.

	Well, after reading that thread, I went to my local Christian
	Bookstore (named: Logos), and ordered the CD. Well, it is now
	not quite 2 weeks later, and I received my CD last night! :-)

	I mentioned to the store that there were others trying to order
	the same CD and that they have been unlucky in getting it. I also
	asked how many copies their distributor showed having in stock.
	The lady told me that they have around 550 copies of that CD in
	stock. She also told me that they order their CDs through:

	Spring Arbor Distributors

	So, if any of you are still having trouble, try going back to
	your store and see if they can get ahold of that Distributor.
	If your store doesn't rocognize the name of that distributor,
	then perhaps you can email me and I'll see if I can get an
	address/phone number for them so your store can order it for 
	you!

				Best Wishes,

					Brent

	zebra@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman)
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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Over The Rhine
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:37:01 GMT

I enjoyed many things about C-Stone '92, but the Over the Rhine
show was THE BEST thing about it.  Seriously (IMHO, of course)!
I am not particularly biased toward them, at least I wasn't before
I saw the show...

Also IMO, their shows blow the CD material away.  I heard some of
the most tasteful guitar solos I've ever heard at the concert.  The
guy really knows when to play and when not to.  If anyone has access to
a live recording of that show or any other, please trade with me for
something!

Some of their material could be closely compared to the Sundays.  OTR's
material tends to be more broad based than Sunday's, though.

Jeff

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From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant in Top 10
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:49:55 GMT

How come I have never seen any of these target commercials????  I think AMY is a little more than cute!!!!!!!!!

[but that's a different story entirely...]

ARE THERE ANY TARGET stores in CHICAGO???????????  I MUST GET MY HANDS ON THAT PROMO STUFF....


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
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Subject: Carman/Artistry debate
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:32:30 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I came across this in a database manual (Microsoft Access) and thought it was
appropriate to the current discussion.  (I'm just posting this as a point of
interest, so no flames, please.)

"Art is the imposing of a pattern on experience, and our aesthetic enjoyment
in recognition of the pattern."  --Alfred North Whitehead

Brian P. Roden			"Runs with Foxes"
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
From: pab@doc.ic.ac.uk (Paul Andrew Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Over The Rhine
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:10:51 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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In article <11DEC199210461216@zeus.tamu.edu>, tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
|> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes...
|> >info please! CD names, catalog numbers, background information, 
|> >history, anything. the music was great (the tape i heard was a high 
|> >quality live recording) & i can't wait to buy a copy for myself.
|> 
|> Over the Rhine is an excellent band!
|> As previously mentioned, they have two independent releases out, both
|> are high quality and look very professional/artistic. They are "'Til We
|> Have Faces" and "Patience."  (on cassette and CD)

I picked up OTR's stuff over here at Dual Edge Records in London.  I agree
wholly that it's amazing, but no-one's yet mentioned the artwork.  Get "'Til We
Have Faces", and STUDY the CD booklet... this is the sort of lyric booklet that
"mainstream" bands ought to be producing:  artistic photos coupling in with the
lyrics, full lyric list and a humorous comment.

OTR played a five minute set in the "Very Stinkin' Late Show" at Greenbelt '92
on the very first night.  That was enough for me - my trip up to the festival
was made.

I don't suppose anyone knows if they're planning on crossing back over to the
Uk again sometime?

Paul
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: 1st Person Life of Christ music?
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:53:30 GMT

What are some of your favorite songs, written as if spoken/sung by the
singer, dealing with events in the life of Christ?

For instance, Michael Card has the song about Simeon holding the baby
Jesus in the Temple.  Amy Grant has Breath of Heaven - Mary singing after
the birth of Jesus.  Don Franscisco has several songs about Peter.  I
hear a song sung as if by Christ as he grows up, dealing encounters with
nails.  Another song played a lot around here is called 'Watch the Lamb'
dealing with the events of the day of the Crucifixion.

What other songs are there?  I would LOVE to see a list of songs which
would span the time frame from Mary's first encounter with the angel through
the final Ascention - seems like it would be a great list to gather together
and play during the holidays...


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From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: MOBY!!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:54:48 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

YES, Moby IS a Christian.  It was confirmed tonight on the radio.  He 
finds it hard making rave/techno music amongst non-Christians, especially 
with this ecstasy culture drug involved with so much music.  Nice to 
know he's a Christian..
 
Titan
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From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:06:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.170803.2710@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
writes:
>                          CONTRADICTIONS about God

[plagiarized humor column deleted]

>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Oh, boy, that gave me a good chuckle!

>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
>                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
                                    ^^^^  Got that right!

I tell ya, Bobby, old boy, that sure was funny!  Next time, however, when
you post an article by a humor columnist, you really oughta attribute the
quote.  (It's good for legal reasons.)

			--Michael

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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Good Christian Progressive
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:47:42 GMT
Keywords: Rhine Out Grey Progressive Christian

Farewell to Juliet has a similar mind set for club shows.
We are trying to become established to the point that
we can become more and more vocal as Christian musicians.
At this point, our world view should be apparent to club
patrons through our lyrics and lack of certain types of
behavior.  We consider our music to be progressive in 
the sense that you were referring to, although with a
harder groove.

Bands we cover are: Choir, 77s, Adam Again, Chagall Guevara.

BTW, I don't wish to undermine Out of the Grey's music at ALL - 
I saw their C-Stone show, and they were great.  It's my 
assessment, though, that the guitarist is mining similar ground
to that of Michael Hedges (secular artist on Windham Hill label),
and that Hedges is still the best at the style.  Apparently,
Phil Keaggy like Hedges' music as well, and has written material
in a similar vein, as recorded on Wind and the Wheat and Beyond
Nature.  

Regardless of the "who is best" issue, though, I enjoy this style
of acoustic guitar playing immensely.  I hope Out of the Grey
gets a lot of airplay somewhere with what they're doing.

Watch for the Farewell to Juliet album available in early 1993.
It may be available only by mail order to begin with.

Jeff Elbel

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From: CASTILLO@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu (Ulysses Castillo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to David Meece?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:48:31 GMT
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Organization: The Camelot System /~
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In <1992Dec12.193547.19419@nmsu.edu> mwalls@nmsu.edu writes:

> About a year ago he was still on the Learning to Trust tour.  He was
> here in Las Cruces, NM.  (Excellent concert)
> 

In addition, he's finishing up a new album.  He's touring with some
folks doing a Christmas special (don't know where).  His new album will
be out in Februaryish (last I heard), and will begin touring again for
his new album.  He keeps pretty busy, but his stuff isn't advertised 
much (which is unfortunate).  There is a number you can call to get the
latest information about what he's up to, and that's where I got the
above info (about a month ago...)

Ulysses.
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From: david-s@hsr.no (David A. Sjoen)
Subject: Private letter to Mariann Clark - don't have address
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:21:04 GMT

I got two mail messages from you in reply to my posting on mail order
catalogs etc. My mailreader managed to destroy these messages, so I
haven't read them. I would be very grateful if you'd resend them.

Thanks in advance,

:)avid

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:06:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec14.135507.20128@samba.oit.unc.edu> danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:
>You know, there are tons of nice WMC (white middle
>class) home groups, but where are the long haired alternative types gonna
>hang out?  Not at the Cleaver's house!  Of course the beave won't come to
>my house, but maybe some of the *many* people who want to follow Jesus but
>*don't* want to be part of stale Christian culture (the old one - I really
>belive that a new Christian culture is sweeping in to replace the old)
>will look at my unkepmpt mug and go 'now *that* home group might be worth
>going to - look Mabel, he's not even wearing a button down!!'

Dick Keyes, one of my favorite speakers/thinkers, said recently that as
Christians, we feel a real dissonance about living in the world.  He said
that we usually chose one of two ways of dealing with that extremely
uncomfortable dissonance:

1.  We become part of the world and adopt its ways;
2.  We join the Christian ghetto, surround ourselves with Christian
Everything, cut ourselves off from the world as much as possible, and
occasionally send out evangelical missiles to the masses outside.

What we're called to do, of course, is neither of these things, but it's a
very difficult and uncomfortable road to walk, and we all walk it with
varying degrees of success at any given moment of the day.  

>	4. does anyone else see the new culture rising?

I'm not real comfortable talking about a "Christian culture" in hopeful
terms.  If you mean that those who have isolated themselves in the
Christian ghetto are starting to emerge, then yes, I'm hopeful.  I'm
seeing a fair amount of that lately.  But I hope we don't just leap into
another, more "modern" one.

  

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (Christopher Whelan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Music for radio station
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:16:13 -0500
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
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Hi All,

	Recently, a friend of mine and I got our licenses to be DJ's for
our college radio station at Bucknell University (WVBU 90.5 in Lewisburg, PA).

Unfortunately, the radio station has little in the way of Christian music(boy,
isn't that a surprise!).  Do any of you know how we can go about writing to
Christian record labels asking for promotional copies of CCM and progressive/
industrial Christian music for our radio station.

	We have so far been borrowing cd's from friends since our personal
collections are quite small.  In addition, if all of you could pray for
success for our show, and that God would have people listening who he wants to
hear the Truth, that would be great.

	Also, I encourage anyone who has an interest in music and the radio to
try and get a license and do a Christian radio show.  It is a really good way
to spread the Gospel and it's a good witness.

Thanx in advance for your help,
Please Pray,
Your Friend in Christ,

Christopher Whelan
whelan@coral.bucknell.edu

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From: cafarhoo@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Craig Andrew Rand Farhood)
Subject: Re: What are your favorite Christian Christmas albums?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:41:39 GMT

In article <1ganpaINNbj0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> petra@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Sawtelle) writes:

>Hey, does anyone else also like Steve Taylor's unique rendition of "Winter
>Wonderland" on the same _Christmas_ album?  :-D  ;-)

I just LOVE that version!!!  It's great!  But what I want to know is - am
I the only one who thinks Taylor sounds (just a tiny bit) like David Lee Roth
in that song?  It sounds crazy, but listen close - you might think so too.
Whenever I hear that version, I can't help but imagine a video of it with
bikini-clad babes in fake snow surrounding Taylor- thanks a lot, Dave!!!

Craig in Canada
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Salt & Light ministry
Keywords: Excellent harmony
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

I am still buzzing with pleasure from seeing a musical play by salt n light
past Sunday.  Featured, not limited to: Jeff and Debbie Smith out of
Salt & Light
9306 Shiloh Drive
Richmind VA 23237
(804) 748-9893

They have a CD out: Exodus let my people go, which is kind of a sampler 
of various kinds of music they do.  Now this is music written for drama,
but I really enjoyed it.  The harmony is superb, just warms my heart
to hear it. 

So, my opinion, if you have wide ranging musical taste, you will like the CD, but
you would love the drama production, so if you are anywhere near WASH DC
OR have the finances to belly up to the bar with airline tickets you will
be greatly blessed by them.
================== We Design and Build Fine Networks ===================
		Stephen Ray Northcutt (703) 663-4447
Disclaimer: I have no financial connection with Salt and Light except that
we both work for the same boss :-)
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From: ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater)
Subject: Re: Extreme disagreement
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:57:12 GMT

vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:

>I've always interpreted the 'took those words away' as 'if you couldn't just
>_say_ 'i love you' and make everything ok, what would you do.'  
>So maybe that influenced the way i interpret the song, because i wanted her
>to stop SAYING 'i love you' and to ACT like it instead, which has noting
>to do with having sex with me.  

I agree with this interpretation... a counselor once gave this advice to 
a beaten wife: "forget about what he SAYS. What is he DOING?"



>-- 
>'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
>through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
>around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
>#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: pray naked
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:10:25 GMT

I must learn to use a calendar properly.

The FTJ/Animator show is on FRIDAY, DEC 18th (not 7th)

Jeff

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