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From: fohl@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.e.fohl)
Subject: Re: How much for a Omega D2?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:11:17 GMT
Summary: My .02

In article <seOrz1C00iUxI6w31z@andrew.cmu.edu>, Luis Abdon Cifuentes <lc0v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I am looking for a 4x5 enlarger, and have seen a Omega D2. 
> Any idea of how much is it worth? Are there several models of D2?  What
> features should I check?
> 
> I remember seeing a D2V, with a variable condensor, but I plan to use it
> with a cold light head, so am not too  worried about condensors.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Luis

I recently bought an Omega D2.  I'm reasonably happy with it, considering that
I don't intend for it to be my "enlarger for life".  It is reasonably sturdy,
which is necessary.  You give up some conveniences, but most of those are minor.
The first inconvenience that comes to mind is that you move the head up and 
down by just lifting, rather than by a knob.  The things that I don't like
about it are the condensers, which you say are not a problem, and the "lens
cones".  The lens cones are simply spacers to add distance between the 
negative and the lens.  You need this for focussing longer lenses.  Once 
you've paid for all this junk, it's not too bad.  

I got the basic D2 enlarger, Rodenstock 135 lens, one condenser, lens, and 
negative carrier from a private individual for $275.  It probably took 
another $150 to get two additional condensers, three lens cones, and assorted
negative carriers.  What I got for that, over and above my Beseler 23C were
a 4x5 capability and an even illumination for 6x7 and 6x9 negativies.  All
things considered, I'm not unhappy with it.  Good luck!

Mark Fohl
From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:11:18 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <23349@alice.att.com>, ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.131830.1273@hemlock.cray.com> dtj@caffeine.cray.com (Dean Johnson) writes:
> 
> > Not to mention that the "amateur" is *generally* at an equipment disadvantage.
> > I don't know of my ascending amateurs that can afford a 600mm/f2.8 lens!
> 
> I'll bet a lot of them can afford to rent one.
> -- 
> 				--Andrew Koenig
> 				  ark@europa.att.com


You'd be surprised.  Around here, I've inquired about renting lenses.
You have to have the  money for the rental, plus enough deposit to
cover the cost of the lens!  That's not readily available in some
cases and where some of these lenses are in the thousands.....


Rick


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From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Contax T2
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:42:17
Organization: CSUA/UCB
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In-reply-to: rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk's message of 23 Jul 92 12:13:15 GMT

I think the past few times the XA was discussed there was a general
consensus that the optics were not as good as the Minox 35's or the
Contax T.  I'm only going a little further in saying they're not as
good as my Nikon Zoom Touch 500s, which itself is ok but not great.
From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:07:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Mamiya 645 News
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman) writes:

| In article <5360771@hplsla.hp.com>, andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino) writes:
| 
| |>I received some product sheets from Mamiya yesterday. One announced
| |>the new 300mm f/2.8 APO-IF lens. They say a succesful fashion photog
| |>tried it out on a 645 Super and declared it his dream camera; he "traded
| |>most of his other equipment for it". The best price on that lens right 
| |>now is over $8500 so that's easy to understand!
| 
| B&H price is $5599, (june SB) not so new really, it's been out for about 6
| months.

Check the August SB: B&H lists it for $8589, read it and weep! :-(

| Bob Shell is a little better than the average Shutterbug writer, which isn't
| saying much.  I find their valid information / noise(mis- or dis-information)
| ratio is about 2:1, worse, some issues seem to reverse that.  I'm a pretty big
| (no personal comments please!) RB fan, and I don't think I'll be rushing out to
| buy the book.

Well, Bob Shell is also editor of PhotoPro magazine, which is a very good,
if not excellent, publication. I think the book is worth an objective
assessment when it becomes available. I am entering a pre-publication order
through Mamiya, so I'll post just as soon as I've had a look-see.

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From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 8008s = F801s
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:48:51 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <23313@alice.att.com>, ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.105253.15967@sys.sweden.dg.com> robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) writes:

> > Yes. The manufacturers has a disturbing habit of renaming equipment for
> > the American market.

> Why is that disturbing?

Whenever I open a U.S. photo magazine and read a reference to, say, a
Canon Elan, I have to keep remembering myself of "oh yes, that's the EOS
100". I've also found myself talking about a camera that the other person,
from the U.S. hadn't heard about. He then went on to mention a camera I
hadn't heard about. It finally appeared that we were talking about the same
camera, the Canon EOS 600.

Just imagine entering a McDonalds restaurant (or so they pretend) in
a different country, ordering a "Coke" and get the question "what's that???".
Not that I'm a big fan of neither McD nor coca-cola, but you get the idea.

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Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.wanted
From: scd@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (steven.c.dittmann)
Subject: Pentax 645 camera body wanted
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:36:57 GMT
Followup-To: poster


I'm looking for a used Pentax 645 camera body.
I don't need any lenses or film inserts.
If you have one for sale, let me know.

Steve Dittmann
scd@ixhawk.att.com
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Yashica T4
Keywords: Olympus-- no contest
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:44:35 GMT

The Yashica T4 has been outselling the Olympus Stylus (mju) since
it's introduction at my store. Although it is priced higher than
the heavily discounted Olympus, the more sophisticated customers
are preferring it over the Stylus.

Zeiss Tessar lens gives superb shadow detail, much better than the
Stylus' lens.

ALthough the build quality is comparable, the T4 is smaller, and I
prefer the Contax T2-like swing-away lens cover, over the pull-open
Stylus.

At least the T4's flash is further away from the lens than the
Stylus, that bloody flash is so prone to red-eye, and that Auto-S
flash is damned annoying.

Get the T4.

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From: renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov (James Renfro)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: To copy film: how do I do it?
Keywords: copy, duplicate film
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:21:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory


I want to copy B&W positive 35mm film; specifically certain frames of a reel of  
microfilm, such as can be seen in a public library.  Never having done any  
slide copying, or anything of this sort, I have the following questions, and  
hope one or two of the many photography experts reading this will be willing to  
donate to a good cause (me) a few moments of their time to e-mail me some  
answers.

1. Apparatus:  What sort of inexpensive, easily portable equipment is there in  
the market place, and from which best source?

2. Film:  What B&W film would I use to produce a positive on the developed  
film, and would I be able to have that film developed at places like Fox Photo,  
or Wal-mart?

3. I have heard that it is possible, when duplicating slides, to zoom in on  
portions of that slide, to effectively crop away some of the image.  Is it also  
possible to zoom out to copy an image on one frame which, on the original film,  
is longer (along the length of the film, like a panorama) than usual?

I have an 8008, normal lens, Nikon 24-50, Sigma 35-135; SB24 and extension  
cable.

Thank you.

Jim Renfro
renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov
From: vl01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (VINCENZO LIOTTA)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Any EOS Elan experiences ... good or bad ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:33:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am considering buying an EOS Elan with the USM 28-80 mm lens. Since I don't
trust the reviews I read in Popular Photography, I'm hoping to get some real
hands-on critiques.

Thanks

Vince Liotta
Lehigh Univ.
(215) 758-5442
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Re: PZ-1 over the EOS 10s, N8008s
Keywords: Have some foresight!
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:31:01 GMT

In <1992Jul24.223908.5191@adobe.com> usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) writes:


>| The PZ-1 has a programmable image tracking and "zoom clip", 
>| you can preset two focal lengths... and presto, 105mm without 
>| thinking!
>		-Mark Newton-John

>"Without thinking" is right! Gimmicky bells & whistles have about as 
>much to do with photography as racing stripes have to do with driving.
>To believe that "features" like these are reasons to choose one camera
>over another is to be seduced by Advertising in the worst sense of
>the word.

Gee, have a little vision, eh? And I suppose you might even TRY
some of the new features before blasting them.

Whuf, these new features are NOT bells and whistles, but features
that make photography easier for the photographer.

As I tell novices to more advanced customers, these features free
you from having to waste time dealing with settings and focusing,
and letting you concentrate more on composition.

And even if you want to make changes, the Hyper Manual setting let
you deal with rapidly changing lighting without having to
continually make shutter speed/aperture adjustments.

Or for the eternally crusty, there is just plain manual with
shutter speeds to 1/8000th second.




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From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Subject: Re: AF/AE vs. Manual aka All That Jazz
Originator: asanders@sparta
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:52:23 GMT

| With the exception of the F4 and EOS1, using an AF/AE camera in
| maunual mode is in general a pain.  I don't have much experience 
| with the AF stuff, but using an AE Canon A1 in manual is a royal pain.

						-Anthony

The writer starts out by making a sweeping generalization, then
admits he has little or no experience with the equipment he is
criticizing. He then finishes by comparing modern autofocus
cameras to a ten-year old design--an irrelevant comparison.

| I am sure there is a way to overide the auto DX, after about a 
| sequence of 15 button pushes and knob twisting.

This is nonsense. This kind of information is worse than useless,
since it confuses inexperienced readers who genuinely want to know
what benefits modern camera technology can and can't provide.

						-Alan
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Toting a tripod?
Summary: Best way to carry a tripod?
Keywords: tripod cases straps carrying
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:10:10 GMT

I'm going on a trip next week and intend to take my tripod along for the ride.
However, I was wondering about how to carry it.  The options appear to be as
follows:

	1. Buy a tripod strap.
	2. Buy a cheap case.
	3. Buy an expensive, padded case.


Here's what has rolled around in my noodle thus far:

Cases:

   Advantages:
      tripod is less conspicuous
      the padded case should be more comfortable
	(instead of having the tripod banging against by hip)
   Disadvantages:
      slow to get set up
      another piece to worry about
      added bulk
      padded case is relatively expensive
      might outgrow it

Strap:
   Advantages:
      quick to set up
      strap can stay on the tripod (so I won't lose it)
      cheaper than the padded case (but not cheaper than a cheap case!)
   Disadvantages:
      tripod is not protected from being "dinged" on the ground
      tripod is very conspicuous
      tripod will probably be banging on my hip

The tripod in question is a Manfrotto 190 (smallish thing--I don't know
the number for the equivalent Bogen).  I think my next tripod will be a
Manfrotto 055 (sorry, no Bogen part number again), so whatever solution
I choose, I'd like it to be applicable to that too.

So, fellow travellers, any opinions?

ACS

P.S.: Hopefully this vacation will revitalize me so I can get back to
       working on the FAQ!  If you have a good summary of any longish
       thread, I'd love to receive it.

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From: tavernin@rm1.interlan.com (Victor Tavernini)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: For Sale: Nikon 200/4 AI-S Lens
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:12:02 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida


I have a Nikon 200/4 AI-S lens for sale.  It is the newest model with
the built in hood ...  Comes with Nikon front and rear caps.

In "new" condition with box/manuals/warranty card ...

$225

Victor Tavernini
Racal-Datacom, Inc.
tavernin@rd1.interlan.com
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From: ben_wen@athena.mit.edu (Benson Wen)
Subject: Re: 8008S and SB24: TTL Matrix-computed Flash photography..
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<BEN_WEN.92Jul21214904@e40-008-8.mit.edu>
	<1992Jul22.183105.13689@clark.edu>
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:14:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.183105.13689@clark.edu> gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:


   As far as I know, all autofocus cameras figure out the distance to a subject,
   and this information is readily available to any flash you might have on
   camera.

Nope, no distance information is shared by the camera.  I doubt if the
camera itself even knows where it has focused.  

As for flash exposure, cameras use TTL-OTF.  Through the lens, off the
film.  That's the way the modern SLR's figure flash exposure, they
measure the reflectance of light off the film in the mirror box.  When
enough light has come through the lens, then the camera tells the
flash to shut up.  They depend on REFLECTANCE, not distance to
subject.  Canon's flashes, DO use some kind of distance information,
but not from the camera.  I suspect that the flashes only use that
info to see if the subject is within flash coupling range.  There is a
near-IR rangefinder on the flashes.  However, this works only if the
flash is pointed forwards.  So, if you are using bounce flash, then
the amount of light that you will need will depend on the distance to
and reflectance of the surface that you are bouncing off of.  In this
case, the Canon flashes do a pre-flash to determine if the subject is
within flash-coupling range.

-Ben
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Re: West coast stores? Advise PLS
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:58:15 GMT


>In article <1992Jul26.183851.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>>
>>Could any one advise me on good West coast ( LA, SF ) photo stores
>>who do mail order. My wife is going to the US in about 5 weeks time, and
>>I want to get some Canon gear and have her bring it back. Close to LAX
>>or SFO would be a plus... Minnesota would be another poss.
>>Thanks in advance.

If you want to go into a retail store, there is The Good Guys near
SFO, in San Mateo (South on US-101, west on CA-82, south on El
Camino Real a few blocks, next to Peter Pan BMW)

We have almost everything in 35mm except for Nikon F4, N8008s, and
we order EOS 1.


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Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: Intenational Photog
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:30:45 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

In article <1992Jul24.175754.25415@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
>
>This is a generic flame - not really intended for any particular poster....
>
>Do any of these "want-to-be pros" give any thought to the fact that they may
>be interfering with the work of real pros - i.e. guys who are trying to make
>a living, not just having fun? If I were a photographer who's livelyhood
>depended on getting good shots I'd be very annoyed (to put it mildly) at these
>guys getting under my feet. 

I rather doubt we have many professional (unquote) photographers who get this
service, so allow me to digress.  I was a professional photographer in the 
photojournalist area for several years in Chicago at the Sun Times and Daily
News (Field Enterprises) and have encountered 'citizen' photographers (I don't
like the classification of 'amateur' for any purpose.)  When they _seemed_
to intefere with 'spot news', I'd consider them just part of the event.
For example, during the riots many people were trying to document the
event from the high-placed pros to the person on the street.  Pictures of
photographers being beaten by cops _were part of the story_. Same thing in
more benign circumstances.  We did overviews as well as tight shots which
tend to focus to exclude the event.

Those who seemed to complain the most were those 'pros' who were rather lazy and
/or easily challenged, who thought that they required the exclusivity
of a badge or pass in order to compensate for their lack of talent or energy.

nuff.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Going to New Mexico (with camera!)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:21:42 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) said (in part)

> My wife will
> get bored if I just take pictures, so any other suggestions
> would also be appreciated.  Any suggestions as to how to
> photograph the caverns will be especially appreciated!

Overlooked something in the last message.  Your wife might
be bored out of her skull at the caverns.  Really, unless
you are doing a disseration on them or have some need
to photograph the most photographed trap in the wold,
forget them!

She will have a good time in Santa Fe and Taos.  I guarantee
it.  Remember not to take the main highway.  Ask some locals
where the High Road is.  The trip up and down that (those)
roads is also beautiful enough that she will even like the trip.


Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: Focal length rip-off. Coincidence?
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.195000.5023@eskimo.celestial.com> wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
}In article <18590@drutx.ATT.COM> chuck@drutx.ATT.COM (LucianoC) writes:
}> ....stuff deleted...  
}>
}>Have you ever put a ruler to a 2 by 4?
}>
}>I think they call it a nominal dimension!
}>
}>Chuck
} 
} No, they call it dimensioned lumber.  It is rough cut to full 2x4
} and planed to the finished size.  And all 2x4s are the same size!

I wish that were true.  Unfortunately, it isn't.  The 2x4s you buy at
the lumber yard today are a full half inch narrower than the ones in my
house, which was built in 1907.  They may be the same size at any given
time, but they are not the same size as they used to be.  

-- 

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2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
From: doron@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Amir Doron)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: External Flash for 6006
Keywords: Nikon 6006,  Flash
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:19:43 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Originator: doron@oahu.cs.ucla.edu

I would like to buy an external flash for my nikon 6006. Since the camera
already has the SB-24 functions built in, it is a waste of money to buy
such an expensive flash.

I am looking at the Sunpak 433AF and the Vivitar 636AF. Is one of them
better than the other? (The sunpak is about $15 less).

Are these flashes just as good as the SB-24 when used on the 6006?


Thanks for your comments,

--amir
From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Yashica T4
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:26:30 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

ptse@bwdls49.bnr.ca (Paul Tse) writes:
| 
| Does anyone have any experience with Yashica's quality?
| I still want the T4, but since no dealer's carry it 
| locally, I'll have to get it elsewhere.  Getting it
| elsewhere means a pain in the butt if anything goes
| wrong with the thing...  So, how good are Yashicas?
|  
| Thanks for any input.
| ----------

I had my T4 back in the midwest last week in very humid conditions. One of
the LCD segments in the frame counter quit working. I'm hoping that it comes
back now that I'm back in a drier climate (ha). If not, there's the 3-year
Yashica warranty....

But, you should know, the Olympus Stylus has a poor repair record. They have
a great propensity for jamming when the camera is closed.

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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Exp. with N6006 or EOS 10s?
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:00:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Jul21.200015.19677
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Jul20.064357.58784@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gg00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GULDEM GUVEN) writes:
>Does anybody have experience with Nikon 6006 or EOS 10s? I'm planning to buy
>one of them but I can't still (3weeks) decide. Would somebody tell me  which
>one is better for a mid-level amateur (I know this was a wide-angle question)?
>Thanks for your help.

If I were you, I would get the 10s over the 6006....its a much better value.
Just my 0.02 cents worth.

Gary


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