HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Need your advice for a good school (4 Romin only)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:07:03 GMT

Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>In article <BuC2Fx.DKB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
>says:
>>

>  I tried to send you this directly, but it bounced.
>  There are many good schools with a good computer science program in DC area.
>  I would suggest taking the GRE exam(study for it!) and applying to the
>  following schools.

>  1) Univ. of Maryland at College Park
>  2) George Washington Univ.
>  3) George Mason Univ.
>  4) American Univ.
>  5) Univ. of Maryland at Baltimore

I think John Hopkins University in Baltimore also has computer science.

Ala a
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: g9203877@cc.uow.edu.au (mohammad javad maghrebi)
Subject: looking for Mr. Ahad Zabett's email at Unv. of Waterloo
Summary: ahad zabett
Keywords: ahad zabett
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 07:03:41 GMT

Hi all,

I am looking for my friend Ahad Zabett's email.
He should be at the University of Waterloo.
I would appreciate anyone having access to Ahad informing
him to contact me or giving me his email address.

Thanks,

Javad Maghrebi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Originator: mackenzi@aragorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:02:38 GMT


Behnam Sadeghi writes:

|> >Several weeks ago, the NYT reported that some 600 women were arrested
|> >in Iran in few days for the same "crime": lack of what the regime
|> >considers proper veil (i.e., the women should follow the regime's
|> >reactionary, repressive policy of covering themselves in chadors, not
|> >using perfume or makeups, not wearing colorful cloths, etc.)
|> 
|> This is incorrect.   Four hundred women were stopped 
|> on the streets due to their immodest dress; they were asked to
|> promiss that they would not repeat the offense again, and they were
|> let go.  They weren't arrested.  Only 20 people were actually arrested.

Arrested or not, they are STILL being harassed for being individuals.

|> >A glance at the above figures implies that perhaps on average, at
|> >least 300 (this is a pretty conservative figure) women are arrested
|> >each day in Iran.
|> 
|> False.   The stopping of the above-mentioned people came only
|> after mounting pressure and anti-government criticism from the public 
|> and the media.  People critcized the government for allowing immodesty
|> and indecent dress.  Every now and then, the government is forced to
|> crack down (temporarily) on people with indecent dress to abate such
|> criticism.  That's why the government boasted that it stopped 400 people
|> (and arrested 20 others) within two days.

Public opinion is no excuse for ignoring individual rights.  Those people
who are strong in their faith should be content that they are doing what
they think is right, and leave others alone.

This would apply to Saudi Arabia too, although that nation seems to get
less media attention than Iran.

Paul
From: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalai Hossein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Helping victims of Andrew?
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:52:53 GMT
Reply-To: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Kal Hossein)


I am very disturbed by the way some SCI members misuse
their privilage of the meduim. The least these members
can do is to have the proper heading for their messages.
I have read several responses in reference to helping
the victims of the Andrew and they have nothing to do
with either victims or Andrew. They have a common 
denamenator of BS (read Babak Sehari). Please use proper
headings and save the rest of us from internal conflicts.

--Hossein
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7856 soc.culture.arabic:3624 soc.rights.human:3407
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:07:09 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <19541.2aafc888@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:

>As majority of women in Iran like to wear "hijab", you ought to take
>their side from democratic point of view if not from religious point of 
>view.

says who ? Do you represent the majority of women in Iran, What do you know
about the majority of women in Iran, You don't even sound Iranian. I wish
"hijab" was the only problem of Iranian women. 

Ramin

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* "We hate it when our friends become successfull. And if we could destroy  *
*  them , you bet your life we would ....   "   The Mozzerman               *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Need your advice for a good school (4 Romin only)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:57:22 GMT

In article <BuD8Js.H1C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>>In article <BuC2Fx.DKB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
>>says:
>>>
>
>>  I tried to send you this directly, but it bounced.
>>  There are many good schools with a good computer science program in DC area.
>>  I would suggest taking the GRE exam(study for it!) and applying to the
>>  following schools.
>
>>  1) Univ. of Maryland at College Park
>>  2) George Washington Univ.
>>  3) George Mason Univ.
>>  4) American Univ.
>>  5) Univ. of Maryland at Baltimore
>
>I think John Hopkins University in Baltimore also has computer science.
>
>Ala a

It's very expensive, but quite easy to get in to. You do not need the GRE
for their program. Your best choice in the area is University of Maryland
@ College Park (other campuses are not ranked as high). If you need 
applications let me know, and you don't have to sign a contract for it either
:). No hurry, plenty of time. This is called doon pashidan. :)

-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 11:03:26 CDT
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Islam

Being "the religion of unity," Islam dispalys more homogeneity and less
religious diveristy than most world-wide religions.(Danial 127) Though
Islam contains two major sects that seem to be very different, they are,
in fact, more alike. Thus, they do not in any way destroy its unity. The unity
of a religion is not destroyed by different applications of it, but by the
destruction of its principles.(Daniel 28) The sects are mere dimensions within
Islam placed to enable differing spiritual types to participate in it.
(Daniel 28)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:01:22 GMT

Whew!  Our anonymous friend seems to be a chronic liar.
After the fabricated "statistics" he/she posted about
women in Iran, he/she has continued to write many 
lies, including the following:

>	* raping virgin girls before execution as a system of justice

There is not a single human rights organization in the whole world that
has substantiated this claim.  This claim can be found mainly in 
propaganda publications of political organizations, such as your own
favorite MKO/NLA.

Background info. for readers:

The MKO & NLA is a terrorist group which is based in Iraq and supported
by Saddam Hussain.  It also participated in the slaughter of Iraq's
Kurds after Persian Gulf War.  This has been attested not only by 
Iraq's Kurdish groups, but also by former members of the organization 
who fled the MKO jails and escaped to Israel (as well as Jordan, and 
Iran).  They were had been imprisoned due to their refusal to massacre Kurds.  
They also reported that they were tortured and mistreated in MKO prisons.

Behnam Sadeghi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: repression of women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:24:58 GMT

abbasa@ul.ie writes:
[stuff deleted]
>I just want to add to what Farzin wrote.

You writing indeed show the same mentality of (an in fact
complementary to those of) Farzin.

>If one looks at the dress worn by nuns, he/she finds very little difference 
>between this dress and that worn by a Muslim women.  Are nuns forced to
>wear this dress because priests are untrustworthy or because of some other

To the best of my knowledge, nuns are not *forced* per se,
but choose to wear their dress. If a women wishes to cover
herself, that is her choice.

>reason?  Ofcourse, the logic behind this dress is that a woman will get
>closer to GOD if she covers her body properly.  The difference between a 

So if a woman covers herself completely, she is closest to 
God regardless of whom she sleeps with or whose blood she
sucks.  That is Khomeinism logic.

>Muslim and christian is that Muslim want all of their women to get closer 
>to their God, While christians considers same only for nuns.     

Keep that kind of closeness to God to yourself; let the Iranian
women choose for themselves how close they want to be to God.

>Btw, a recent survey published in the Irish independant showed 
>involvement of priests in child abuse cases to a large extent.  Also, there
>was a news that child abuse by priests in Canada increased to such a great
>level that the highest body of the catholic church had to consider this matter
>in a meeting specially covened for this purpose.

The above statments very much contradict your nonsense about
covering a women to make her closer to God. It is the
personality that must be pure and honest not the dress that
he/she wears or the position he/she holds.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7951 soc.culture.indian:31177
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India protests Iranian call for Islamic unity on Kashmir
Summary: birth of pakisthan
Keywords: birth of pakisthan
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:02:18 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

>> 
>> Kashmir is a proble of Kashmiris with Inida and Pakistan.
>> It is shameful that support to Kashmiris by Iran is on the basis
>>of Islam.
>> 
>> 
>> Bye
>> Adil

>Pakistan was born on the basis of Islam.  

Is this a joke? It would be nice if U added one off these :)

Pakisthan was born due to some politicians wanting their share of
power. Islam was a convenient tool used to sway the masses. What
better 'tool' to use among the illiterate than a religious belief.

>Your logic implies at the illegetimacy of the birth of Pakistan.

????

>regards,

>Asad.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati)
Subject: New US Sanctions Against Iran?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:35:46 GMT

	Are any of you fellow netters aware of recently imposed sanctions
against Iran by the US government? I was told by my bank manager that new
sanctions were imposed on Aug.31 of this year. He didn't have any details on
what the sanctions covered, by said that it prevented anyone from wiring US
currency to banks in Iran. 

-Ramin
From: saiedb@sinbad.Eng.Sun.COM (Saied Bozorgui-Nesbat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IPD
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:36:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, Ca
Distribution: world
Reply-To: saiedb@sinbad.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sinbad

In article vyntaj@lynx.unm.edu, hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) writes:
==>
==>Hello  all :
==>
==>Does IPD (International Product Distribution ~= mail-order) charge for
==>thier catalog ?  And how much ?
==>
==>ThankS
==>Farid Hamjavar


IPD's catalog's are free.

Cheers!

Saied


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mxahmad@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Mehdi Ahmadi)
Subject: SIP Meeting in Berkeley: Esperanto
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:33:31 GMT



	SIP in Berkeley Presents:


		Esperanto: A window to the world


			A discussion by:

			Don Harlow


		Time: 6:30 Gathering, 7:30 Lecture starts

		Place: Hillside Club, 2286 Cedar St. Berkeley, Ca. USA

		Tel: 510-644-4158


	This lecture is in English.

	Society of Iranian Professionals is a Non-profit, Non-political
	with no religious preference society.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:03:49 GMT

In article nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:

>>basically throwing them all in a bus and taking them to komiteh.  I saw them stop
>>cars in Mohseni sq. and load a bus with people.  Several people I know where
>>taken to komiteh's while I was there.  Mr. Behnam Sadeghi says they weren't
>>arrested but rather stopped due to "their immodest dress".  What is an immodest
>>dress sir?  A brick colored manteau?   

The reports I saw didn't explain the specifics of the violations, so 
I can't give a precise answer.  However, I know for sure that what you
refer to above, i.e. the color of the dress, is not a cause for being
stopped.  Right now, in Tehran, all kinds of colors are used: green, 
blue, yellow, etc.  In the earlier years of revoultion, though, dark
colors were required (not by law, but in practice).  This was a 
requirement that in my subjective view was not reasonable.  I'm glad
that it was relaxed (because, as a Muslim, I know that Islam does 
not put restrictions on color).

Behnam Sadeghi
From: Mohaghegh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: RE: Baha'i prespective...
Summary: None
Keywords: None
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:05:58 GMT
Organization: None

Mr. Bavafa writes: 
> Hi Mohaghegh!  It was nice to hear from you.  Thanks for your short email, so I
> will make mine short too.
> 
> >Easy, there is a place in Iran called "Tehran". At old time "Tehran" was
> >spelled with "Ta". The writer had used "arze Ta" in other places, where it
> >could have meant only "Tehran".
> 
> But, if in certain paragraphs it _only_ meant Tehran, does it mean that in
> every other text it _has_ to mean Tehran too?  BTW, where were those places?
> So I can go and study them on my part.
> 
> So what do you say, mohaghegh?  Do you suggest that the reference to 'ta' will
> always point to Tehran?
> 
> Or could it be that Tehran or 'ta' is used as a reference to Iran?  IMHO, 'bA
> ghAfieh yA bi ghAfieh' we Baha'is _believe_ in the future of Iran.  We have
> found that working hard to fulfill this "va'deh" is an honor.  It means this
> promise will not be fulfilled automatically simply because Baha'u'llah said so.
> We have to work to actualize it.
> 
> >Do you need a reference?
> 
> Sure.  It would be nice.
Greetings to you Bavafa. As you are aware(?), Baha'u'llah had a very
special relationship with the Russian ambassador to Iran. Iran at that
time had lost a lot of land to Russians and had a very hard time, both
politically and economically. On one hand the Russians had occupied a
very vast area of Iran. On another hand, in the "Turkanchaie and Golestaan
agreement"  the Russians had imposed the Capitulation law upon Iran. 
According to "Baha'i sources" the Russian ambassador testifies that
Baha'u'llah was innocent in the attempt to murder Nasseruddeen Shah.
Most probably, the Russian ambassador used "Capitulation law" to free
Baha'u'llah from prison (and may be Baha'u'llah was considered as a Russian
citizen). Please don't get excited, this is the most reasonable assumption.
Please allow me to qoute Baha'u'llah from his book "Eshraghat" page 153.
"in mazloom az arze Ta be amre hazrate sultan beh a'raghe arab tawajjoh
nemmod wa az sefarate iran wa roos har dw moltazeme rekaab boodand"
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now, please allow me to qoute him again from the same book page 155:
"Khrajnaa menalvatane wa ma'ana forsaan men janebe-edowlate-elellyate-
el-iraniyeh wa dowlate-rroos ela an waradnel-a'raghe bel-ezzate wal-
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
eghtedaar"
You see he uses "arze Ta" for Tehran in farsi and when it comes to
leaving Iran he uses "menalvatane". A consistent writer never uses
a shortened or symbolic notations for two different things.
I agree with you that Bah'is care about Iran, but I can't assume that
they care more than their leadrs did. Indeed the chaos that they created
in Iran, at a time when Iran needed full cooperations form its citizens
more than ever, is immeasurable. Of course the Russian hands were at work
to create maximum state of anarchy in Iran. Seyede Bab and Baha'u'llah
were instrumental in helping Russians to achieve their goals.
Mohaghegh
From: Mohaghegh
Subject: RE: Baha'i prespective...
Summary: None
Keywords: None
Organization: None
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:11:43 GMT

Mr. Bavafa writes:
> In article <i.716247187@home> Mohaghegh writes:
> >hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com writes:
> >>one line deleted
> >> "Let nothing grieve thee, O Land of Ta (Tihran) [This is the manner by
> >>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> which Baha'u'llah addresses Iran in His Writings. KH] ......
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >From (Tihran) it is obvious that he talks about Tehran and not Iran.
> 
> How do you know, jenAb-e mohaghegh? :-)  Have you done any studies of the
> Baha'i Faith specially the writings of Baha'u'llah to report such obviousity?
> I know, you were reading the sentence and interpreted it as it stands.
Easy, there is a place in Iran called "Tehran". At old time "Tehran" was
spelled with "Ta". The writer had used "arze Ta" in other places, where it could
have meant only "Tehran". Do you need a reference?
Mohaghegh
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Advice to "ahriman"
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:46:04 GMT

In article <3i5.flr4j@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>
>
>Don't play with these words "ahriman", "lucifer", ...
>Don't mock evil. Not every topic is good for jokes.
>Know what you say. Just a warning.
>                
> - NOT Ahriman
>              

Mark my words, your sole will be mine. As I did Darth Vader, I
will make you convert. And Farzin I knew Luke Skywalker, and You're
no Luke Skywalker. You will not escape me.

Remember, don't underestimate the powers of the dark side.
See you in hell.

-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: repression of women
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:41:04 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <8SEP199212050638@reg.triumf.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca  writes:


>I'm not even going to bother arguing over THIS one but I will say this to all
>the people who want to cover women in chadors, roosaris or whatever the hell
>else they have.  They can shove it up where it feels the best!

Just because for the overwhelming majority of Muslim women the standards of 
decency is different from yours is no reason for you to insult them in this 
obscene fashion.

---

Side remark about Peter's article:  chador is not a requirement in Iran. 

>-Mahin (a non-believer)

Behnam Sadeghi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.indian
From: swami1@troy.uucp (22535-swaminathan)
Subject: Re: India protests Iranian call for Islamic unity on Kashmir
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:04:38 GMT

In article <19553.2ab4d290@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>Pakistan was born on the basis of Islam.  Your logic implies at the 
>illegetimacy of the birth of Pakistan.
>
>regards,
>
>Asad.

This basis is true only from Pakistan's side. India, as a secular
nation cannot apply this basis. If India recognized this as a basis,
then the Muslims in India will have no standing. They will have to
move to Pakistan because they will have been allocated to that land.
This is exactly the reason that India cannot recognize that since
the majority in Kashmir are muslims it should automatically belong
in Pakistan.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7988 soc.culture.arabic:3691 soc.rights.human:3496
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:38:14 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Sep13.232944.3765@wam.umd.edu>, ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon) writes:
>>
>                  <Some lines be darak vasel shodand>
>>>As a
>>> woman let me tell you that it is really awful to wear those uncomfortable
>>> (dast-o paa geer) Islamic uniforms, so is walking around naked,
>>
>>Every one could not be like you.  Many people might consider moving naked
>>as their right. What would you do about them?
>> 
> I say let them walk naked. I personally would like to see everyone walk
> naked. Maybe that way we can reduce some of the "oghdeh" that has built
> up in both men and women in Iran. Just remember the saying that goes
> "Nadeed badeed, vaghti keh deed ..."

People of your thoughts are .0000000000000000001% in Muslim world
including Iran.  So tell me my friend who should Iranian government listen
to?

 
>>> believe me! I am not about to discuss the pros and cons of Islamic
>>> dress codes, but as an observer I have yet to see the benfits of it in
>>> Iran. 
>>> 
>>> 						Noushin
>>
>>As majority of women in Iran like to wear "hijab", you ought to take
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>their side from democratic point of view if not from religious point of 
>>view.
>>
>>Asad.
> 
> I don't recall Noushin saying that chador should be banned. All she is
> saying is that people should have a choice. Tell me Asad, is the concept
> of a woman with the freedom of choice so scary that it has led the 
> government to pass laws against it. These are the acts of those who as 
> we say in Iran "be khodeshoom shak daran" not to mention their women folk.


Iranian women has chosen islam by their own choice.  As veiling is obligatory
under Islam, so she is pleased to observe that.  

BTW, could you name a single country where there is freedom of full choice to
every individual??

regards,

asad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: luw@mecad.uta.edu (Lu Wong)
Subject: test....
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:32:51 GMT

uta test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian