HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wjr@FTP.COM (William J Rust)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: Packet driver specification
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: wjr@ftp.com
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


    From: Petri Alhola <mcsun!fuug!digiw!petri@uunet.uu.net>
    
    I saw following interesting lines in end of ODI/Packet driver
    interface documet pdether.doc :
    
    >FTP Software, "PC/TCP Packet Driver Specification", version 1.09,
    >September, 1989.
    
    Where i can get one, is there anywhere ftp site where i can get it ?
    
    Petri Alhola
    petri@digiw.fi


You can get it from us. FTP to vax.ftp.com and in the pub directory
there is a file called packet-d.ascii that contains the spec. The
version currently there is 1.09.

--
William J Rust (aka, not-the-mama)                       Internet: wjr@ftp.com
FTP Software, Inc.                         (508) 685-4000, fax: (508) 794-4488


Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Reading mail from a PC, over a TCP/IP link to a unix host
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:04:49 GMT

Having recently installed the NCSA software I'm really pleased with the
lpr utility that lets me print files from my PC without bothering to log
onto the host machine. Is there a popular mail reader that will do the
same? That is, let me read mail from the PC without bothering to log
onto the host on which it resides (and post it reliably too for that
matter). Heck while we're at it, what about reading news?

As is I have to log on just to check if mail has arrived during the day.
A nuance I could do without, given that it must be possible remotely.

Thanks,

Bernd.
From: mcn@cfa203.HARVARD.EDU (Charley Noecker)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: Kermit TCP/IP troubles
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: noecker@cfa.harvard.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

From article <1992Sep30.143543.118@kenyon.edu>, by oursler@kenyon.edu:

One important problem you seem to be having is with the nameserver; it
appears not to like the address you gave it.  We have also found that
Kermit 3.11 didn't work properly with nameservers, even when we gave
it the right nameserver.  This is fixed in Kermit 3.12 (available now
from watsun.cc.columbia.edu); if you don't want to go get this now,
you can try substituting the Internet node number in place of 'kcvax3'.

You may have other problems, too (it looks fishy that it can't release
the packet driver; maybe you haven't got the right one).  This may
prevent you from starting a later TCP/IP session.  I recommend: first,
see if the direct Internet addressing works; if it does, then try the
new kermit.  After that, you should check the packet driver.

Charley Noecker              Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
POINTS Group                 Mail Stop 63
noecker@cfa.harvard.edu      60 Garden St 
617-495-7329                 Cambridge, MA 02138
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: TCP/IP packages for PC's
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:48:36 GMT


OK, this is probably a FAQ, but...

I am in the process of implementing an ISDN test suite.  Consists of a
SUN managing the test scripts and various test tools connected to it by
ethernet to monitor the progress of the tests and report back to the
test manager.

95% of the test tools are/will be implemented as cards for PCs, most
on-site, but some posiibly off-site.  So...

What types of TCP/IP packages would be suitable for use by test tool
software to communicate with the test manager?  ie: something with a
good programmers interface rather than windows/user interface?

Thanks for any help.
Newsgroups: ucs.general,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: "Tony C. Cheng" <tcheng@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: THE 'are' in memory...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:38:27 GMT



%Conventional Memory :
%
%  Name                Size in Decimal       Size in Hex
%-------------      ---------------------   -------------
%  MSDOS              13024      ( 12.7K)       32E0
%  HIMEM               1024      (  1.0K)        400
%  EMM386              4256      (  4.2K)       10A0
%  COMMAND             2752      (  2.7K)        AC0
%  NETBIND             2608      (  2.5K)        A30
%  ETHDRV             82576      ( 80.6K)      14290
%  NETX               43728      ( 42.7K)       AAD0
%  are                 6192      (  6.0K)       1830
   ^^^

   Does anyone know where this 'are' came from?  When I first loaded
   NETX, it wasn't exist and I had 500K for maximum executable program
   size.  With its presence, there was only 350K left for the largest 
   executable.  

   The second problem it caused was that it hooked NETX, there was no
   way for me to unload NETX.  

   Any suggestion to kill or avoid 'are' is highly appreciated!!

   _Tony

   ps. 'are' seemed to be ghostly come out after a login session is 
       conducted.
	

%  FREE                  64      (  0.1K)         40
%  FREE                  80      (  0.1K)         50
%  FREE                 320      (  0.3K)        140
%  FREE              148432      (145.0K)      243D0
%  FREE              350000      (341.8K)      55730
%
%Total  FREE :       498896      (487.2K) 

Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:5704 comp.sys.novell:8201 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:2189 bit.listserv.novell:15666
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.sys.novell,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Packet driver for Novell NE3200 
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:22:50 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <Bw0EJo.H9J@ansoft.com> greg@ansoft.com writes:

   Is there a packet driver for Novell NE3200 EISA board?

No, but I have a contract to write one, as soon as Novell gets me the
technical documentation for the board.  I have not had any luck with
this.  Perhaps Novell doesn't want to sell too many of these boards?

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
Crynwr Software           Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St.              315-268-1925 Voice  |  LPF member - ask me about
Potsdam, NY 13676         315-268-9201 FAX    |  the harm software patents do.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: hsu@cs.hut.fi (Heikki Suonsivu)
Subject: Re: PCRoute <-> Sun SPARC Slip-4.1 problems
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:12:40 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.083634.25880@cujo.curtin.edu.au> peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis) writes:
   the most part, but on large TCP sends from the SPARC to PCRoute, the

I have seen this, when the PC has old ethernet cards with small buffers
(wd8003 with 8K and 3c501 with 1K?).  Suns want to send large 8K packets,
thus overflowing the PC ethernet card.  I think you can cut down the packet
size in SunOS kernel configuration somewhere, but I don't know how.
I solved the problem by getting new ethernet boards.  I guess theoretically
you might be able to patch pcroute to munge tcp initialization packets to
make them look like that the other end wants to receive small packets, but
I'm not sure, don't know TCP well enough.

The symptom is because TCP does not make packet size smaller when a
transmit fails.  Thus, it will keep retrying the packet too large, and
finally drops dead :-(

-
Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND,
hsu@{otax.tky.hut,cs.hut,clinet}.fi  +385-0-8031121
/G=Heikki/S=Suonsivu/O=hut/OU=cs/PRMD=Inet/ADMD=Fumail/C=FI,
mcsun!hutcs!hsu, riippu SN, Email preferable.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: katz@halcyon.com (Alan Katz)
Subject: Xlib for NT (Win32)
Keywords: xlib, nt, winsock, tcp-ip
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:18:07 GMT



Greetings,

We at the Adonis Corporation (Redmond, WA) need to write X programs
which will run under Windows NT and display on remote X servers.
(Note that this is NOT the converse problem of displaying X programs
on Windows NT, which we know many others are working on).

We thus need an NT Xlib (currently no need for any X toolkits) and
would like to know if anybody has one or is in the process of porting
it.

Since the NT WinSock interface is very similar to Berkeley sockets, it
looks like a port (say from the MIT Xlib distribution) would be 
pretty straightforward.  

We would like to hear from anyone who either has such a port or might
be interested in jointly working on one.  We'd also like to hear from
anybody who is writing X applications under either Windows 3.x or 
Windows NT.

Please respond via e-mail to Katz@Adonis.Com (even though this message
is being posted from another address).

				Thanx!

				Alan Katz  (Katz@Adonis.Com)


Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: parson@coulomb.pcc.oz.au (Brenda Parsons - x2403)
Subject: VERY Slow Wtnvt for PC/TCP?
Organization: Prospect Electricity, Sydney
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 02:31:47 GMT

We're running PC/TCP 2.1 and would like very much to use the
WTNVT (windows version of telnet )program, but the speed of it
is unbearably slow.

Has anyone else had this problem?
Is there a fix?

Sorry if this is an FAQ!

-brenda

*****************************************************
* Brenda Parsons                                    *
* Currently at Prospect Electricity                 *
* 10 Smith Street, Parramatta 2150, Australia       *
* +61 2 635 0300                                    *
* --                                                *
* parson%coulomb.pcc.oz.au@tmx.mhs.oz.au            *
*****************************************************
-- 
*****************************************************
* Brenda Parsons                                    *
* Currently at Prospect Electricity                 *
* 10 Smith Street, Parramatta 2150, Australia       *
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: wlhadley@mwunix.mitre.org (William L. Hadley)
Subject: Lan Workplace
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:49:26 GMT


I wanted to thank the people who sent me notes offering help for the problems
I was having getting Lan Workplace working.  The problem I was having:  I had
a PS/2 with a Western Digital Ethercard Plus Ethernet card and I was unable to
make Lan Workplace access the card.  I was using the 8003pkdr packet driver,
instead of the smcplus ODI packet driver.  For those of you who might need this
packet driver and don't know where to get it, it is available via anonymous
FTP from sjf-lwp.novell.com.  It is in directory odi/smc-wd/ethernet/dos_odi.

I have another question.  I haven't run into this (and I hope I don't), but 
is anyone using LAN Workplace on a PC with a Cabletron Ethernet card?  If so,
are there any special ODI drivers that you needed to use and where are they
available?

Thanks again for the responses from my original post!
Bill
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      McLean, Virginia 22102-3481  | My opinions! Do you hear? MINE!!!!
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Packet Driver for Gateway card 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:06:16 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <PMARQUIS.92Oct13173706@jade.tufts.edu> pmarquis@jade.tufts.edu writes:

   Is there a Packet Driver for a Gateway Communications G/EtherTwist AT
   adapter?  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Yes, but it is proprietary, not in the Crynwr collection.  Contact
Gateway's technical support.

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
Crynwr Software           Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St.              315-268-1925 Voice  |  LPF member - ask me about
Potsdam, NY 13676         315-268-9201 FAX    |  the harm software patents do.
From: CEARLEY_K@WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU (Vide Infra)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Please Sign Me Off!
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Please remove me also. I've tried all the other ways.

	cearley_k@wizard.colorado.edu
or	cearley_k@colorado.BITNET

	-Thanks
From: mcn@cfa203.HARVARD.EDU (Charley Noecker, Prec Astron)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: Reading mail (and news) from a PC...
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: noecker@cfa.harvard.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

> For a mail reader, look for POPmail. It requires only a packet driver to 
> operate. The best news reader I have located is called Trumpet. It also runs 
> on top of your packet driver.
> 
> I don't remember where I got these two. I imagine you could locate them with 
> archie.

Try wuarchive.wustl.edu, 128.252.135.4   Look in mirrors/msdos/tcp-ip or
thereabouts.

I just picked up Trumpet as TRMP105.zip or something very much like that.
I decided to go back and try more Unix ones first, so I can do it from
home.  When Trumpet gets up another rev or two, it'll be pretty sweet
indeed.  Right now, it's better than 'vn', but a bit rough at the edges.

Charley Noecker                                  POINTS Group
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics      Mail Stop 63 
60 Garden St                              Cambridge, MA 02138
Email: noecker@cfa.harvard.edu
--------------------------------------------------------------
From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Remote Control via TCP/IP
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:16:33 GMT
Organization: Tim Evans

I'm looking at PC "remote control" packages which work under TCP/IP
(PC/TCP specifically) and would like pointers on available packages.

I know about the U-Waterloo 'telnetd' and about something called
"Everywhere Access."  In addition, I have unsupported binaries from
ftp Software for doing rsh/rexec.  What other packages/approaches
are available?  Are all limited to vt100-type terminal emulation?
What about X clients (a la the Mac package "Planet X") which allow
remote control of a PC in a windowed environment on the controlling
host?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: qualtrak@netcom.com (Qual Trak)
Subject: Source for telnet 2.3 that compiles?
Reply-To: jb@QualTrak.COM
Organization: QualTrak Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:04:19 GMT

I've been trying off and on to get sources for telnet 2.3 to compile
using MSC 5.1 or BCC 3.1.

I initially tried BCC 3.1 and when I had problems, I switched to MSC5.1
but didn't make any progress. So I went back to BCC 3.1 with the
following results...

This last session (last night) I finally gave up after about 2 pages of
unresolved externals in the link process. My initial fixes were to

    ipasm.asm - place a .CODE directive immediately ahead of the
                NEWSTACK variable so that tasm would handle it. Tasm
                didn't like the STACKEND label far line and said that
                the CS wasn't available (or something like that).

	Makefile  - changed location of libs and includes for my compiler
                environment.
              - Compiled with the Huge memory model - this got rid of
                the DGROUP Segment > 64k error
              - Added /C to tlib commands so that we ignored case in
                building libs. (This got rid of some of the unresolved
                external reference errors)
                
              - added engine\confile.eng to the list of dependencies
                (also modified the GLOBAL define in new_con.c so that
                variables weren't declared twice.

    At this point I had a bunch of unresolved externals and at least
    some of them depended on files that depended on Microsoft code
    (engine/scr_rest.c which includes <graph.h>) and I was really tired
    of doing make cleans and makes to try and get around stuff.

    Gave up in disgust...

So my question is - is there anybody who knows the magic incantations to
get this stuff to compile.  I don't think too  much of what I've seen so
far - (I mean I've built X11R5 with far fewer headaches).

------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Birchfield - QualTrak Corp (408) 730-2674 Home (408) 736-3852
jb@QualTrak.COM
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: tardieu@pegase.enst.fr (Samuel Tardieu)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: SLIP ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:43:15 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

Hello all.
I am using a 486 IBM PC compatible, and I have an opportunity to connect it
with the Ethernet network of my university. I have a 9600 bauds rate line,
and I have heard about SLIP.

What is it exactly ? Is it a freeware ? What are the necessary operations to do
at each side of the line to use it ?

I am using MS-DOS 5.0 and 386BSD-1.0 .

Thanks for all answer, via E-Mail or in this newsgroup.

-- 
     Samuel TARDIEU  -  Telecom Paris  -  tardieu@enst.fr  -  (1) 45-81-71-97
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: mireley@horus.cem.msu.EDU (John Mireley)
Subject: FTP INC's PC/TCP Crashes Windows
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:56:03 GMT

I'm using PCTCP 2.05 pl4 and Inter Drive 1.1 pl 6
with Windows 3.1. It keeps crashing windows if 
I let the systems set for a while then access
a NFS mounted disk. If I work on the NFS disk
regularly it seems to run alright.

I'm stuck with 2.05 and 1.1 because we are on a site
license. 

Is there a fix or work around this problem.

John Mireley
Dept. of Chemistry
Michigan State University



Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.windows.x
From: erick@demorgan.uwaterloo.ca (Erick Engelke)
Subject: Re: LAN Workplace over SLIP (was: Desqview/X over SLIP)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:24:15 GMT

 kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> bodoh@cae.wisc.edu (Daniel Bohoh) writes:
>>Quarterdeck is now selling their "DESQview/X to other systems" (read
>>TCP/IP) network manager (not a TCP/IP stack, just a shim) packaged with
>>a coupon for a free copy of Novell's Lan Workplace for DOS.  However,
>>as far as I know, LWP is not yet capable of SLIP.
>
>True enough.  But yesterday, at NetWorld '92 Dallas, I was talking with
>the Novell LWP developers who mentioned using a beta version of LWP
>from home over a 19.2 KB modem.  He had Hummingbird running on top of
>it.  "Xterms are OK, but graphics are a little slow.  And you'd better
>use the local window manager."
>

If I'm not mistaken, the Novell guys mentioned you can use LWP with
Etherslip if you use Don Provan's PDETHER.EXE packet-driver-to-ODI
shim.  Now all you need to find are PDETHER.EXE and ETHERSLIP.EXE,
try Archie.

Erick

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erick@development.uwaterloo.ca     TCP/IP was easy but i still can't work VI
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:5603 comp.os.cpm:1228
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.os.cpm
Subject: Is KA9Q still available for CP/M systems?
From: fraser_h@eis.dofasco.ca
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:11:06 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: fraser_h

Many times I've seen mention that KA9Q was originally developed for
Z80 CPM systems. Is that original distribution still available anywhere?

-- 
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(fraser_h@eis.dofasco.ca)			1330 Burlington St East
(416)544-3761 X6941				Hamilton, Ont. L8N 3J5 Canada
From: mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca (Brian McCashin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Lantastic and QVTNET
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:22:12 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: lantastic

Anyone out there using QVTNET and Lantastic 4.1 over ethernet. We're going 
to be using either lantastic 10baseT, NE2000 or WD SMC cards. What packet
driver shims etc do you need.

Brian
mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca
-- 
 Brian McCashin                            Internet: mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca
 Senior Programmer/Analyst                 Phone: 604-822-5502
 Centre For Health Services and Policy Research
 University of British Columbia, Vancouver CANADA
From: line@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Edward H Lin )
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Need HELP with QVT/NET!
Summary: Need help getting QVT/NET to work with Slip.
Keywords: SLIP, QVT, NET
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:17:01 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


Hi everyone.. I'm having problems with WinQVT/NET version 27.. I'm fairly
new to this SLIP interface so I was wondering if anyone could help me get
this working.  I can't even connect.. I'll try to leave as much information as Ican.. 

The problem is that I can't get WinQVT/NET to recognize my modem.. When I try
to Telnet or FTP all it says is that "Host or Gateway Not responding".. I've
got the correct Packet Drivers (SLIP8250.COM) and the PKTINT.COM file that 
is used for Protected Mode interface with Windows.. So far as I can tell, my
.RC file is correctly configured though that may be the problem there as well.
I usually go into either winQVT or Qmodem and either minimize it or leave
the carrier on the hook and go into QVT/NET.  But that doesn't seem to work..
The documentation said to use an asyncronous communication program and to 
jump out.. It just seems like the modem isn't communicating to QVT/Net

This is my addresses for the Packet Drivers..

0x2f8 for COM2
IRQ is 3
Baud is set at 9600
Interface type is SLIP

IF anyone has any suggestions or just ways that they've managed to make this
work, please either sending me E-mail or post a Follow-up.. I would greatly
appreciate it..

Eddie

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From: w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: New mailing list for MS-DOS file upload announcements
Summary: SIMTEL20 and Garbo upload announcements
Keywords: simtel20,garbo,msdos,uploads,announcements
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:37:14 GMT
Reply-To: w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
Distribution: world
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives

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