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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:06:11 PST
Reply-To:     "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 08-Jan-1993 0800" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 08-Jan-1993 0800" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      SKIDMORE Query
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I've come to a complete roadblock researching one of my direct ancestors
and was wondering if any of my fellow rooters might have suggestions on
how to further proceed.

Andrew SKIDMORE was born somewhere in England and migrated, according to
family history, at an early age to Norfolk, Virginia. His son, also named
Andrew SKIDMORE, was born in Norfolk, Virginia in 1750 and migrated to
western Virginia. He married Margaret JOHNSON in 1783. He died in Sutton,
Braxton Co, Virginia (now West Virginia) in 1826.

My questions are this, are there any listings for names of emigrants to
Virginia prior to 1750? Is it possible to find the location of Andrew
SKIDMORE's home in England from sources in England? I would assume that
he was a protestant but I can't be sure, what are the possibility of
finding church records?

All help great appreciated.

Thanks

Mike

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HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WOMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER,
TRAWICK, SHOUTER, STRINGER, MONTGOMERY, KING, WHEELER
USA/AL/GA/FL/SC/NC/VA early 1700s until Present

SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON,
DALTON, THARP, GARVIN, MOODY, JOHNSON, STALNAKER, CRAWFORD,
SKINNER, DAVIS, HENKLE
USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s
until Present

GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY,
GANER, WOOD, LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
USA/VT/NY/MA/IRELAND/SCOTLAND early 1700s to present
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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Searching in Indian Territory
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:49:16 GMT

In article <16B5048B1.O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams) writes:
>Speaking of Indian Territory, my grandmother was born in Natchitosis, Louisiana
>(and as she would have told it) on the reservation and on the river.  I this
>Indian Territory?  Has anyone ever been there?  Her name was Martin and she
>married an Adams from South Carolina.
> 
>For those who do not know Natchitosis is pronounced (Knock i tosh).  That's the
>best I can describe the pronounciation.

Try looking for Nachitoches (NACK-it-osh).  We Texans had a terrible
time remembering to distinguish it from Nacogdoches
(nack-a-DOE-chess), an east Texas town not very far away.  I don't
know if it was Indian Territory or not.


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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:22:00 EDT
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From:         DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject:      SCOTT surname

Hello Rooters,

     I thought there must be several people out there with SCOTT lines
who would be interested in Craig Scott's one-name study.  He has a
fabulous database of SCOTT information on his Macintosh, and is very
good about exchanging information.  He also publishes a quarterly
journal of SCOTT research.  The correct address is below, in Mike's
letter to me.
                       Frank     DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET

From:   IN%"holland@cx3com.enet.dec.com"  "Mike Holland
 Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs, Co.  04-Jan-1993 0945"
4-JAN-1993 11:55:17.36
To:     IN%"deis@zodiac.rutgers.edu"
Subj:   Scott One-Name Study

Frank,

 Thanks so much for the address of Craig Scott and the Scott One-Name
 Study! I sent mail to the address you gave me and Craig responded
 with the greatest information. He had numerous listing for the
 SCOTT line that I'm tracing.

 By the way, the address is now:

 The Scott Genealogical Quarterly
 The Scott One-Name Study
 Rt. 1, Box 15A
 Lovettsville, Va. 22080-9703

 Thanks Again,

 Mike Holland
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:00:03 EST
Reply-To:     "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Two Questions...2 Cents Worth
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Rob Bongiovi writes...

> The first question stems from my inability to read German and the scrawl of
> the person who wrote the register.  Maybe one of you can help.  The final
> column of the register has the heading "Namen die Pashen", which may not be
> spelled correctly.  In this column, there are two to four names, usually
> with different surnames.  The first names are usually the same as the childs.
> ie.  If the child was Dorthea Sophia, the names of the people would be
> Dorthea _______ and Sophia ________.  Needless to say, the people listed
> in this column were the same sex as the child.  Now, what I can't figure out
> is if this was the column for witnesses, and the tradition was to name
> the child after the witnesses of the baptism, or if this column just listed
> the names of the people the child was named after.  Any help?

Ironically, I have found similar records in rural Missouri for a
German Lutheran church which my ancestors helped found.  In old German
script "Pathen" may look like Pashen.  Pate (the silent "h" was included
in the old script, means the godparents.  I noticed in my family that
they too took the names of the godparents as middle names.  I might
suggest that sometimes it doesn't hurt to research those names as
often times the godparents were close family or relatives.
>
> My second question is a little more important.  While the names in the
> baptism register and the names in the family bible match up pretty well,
> There is one major disagreement.  In the family bible, there are two
> children named Henriette and Louise.  In the baptism register, child #2
> was named Henriette Dorothea Louise.  But, the 4th child was named Henriette
> (no middle names listed).  There was no Louise listed and there is a
> Dorthea listed both in the Baptism register and the family bible.  Also,
> I know that they both lived long enough to be confirmed, and that Henriette
> was two years younger then Hennreitte Dorothea Louise.  Both children were
> born in the early 1850's.  Could it be that this Henriette Dorothea Louise
> was called Louise and therefore recorded in the informal family bible as
> such?  How common is this.                                             get

I have found this too to be quite common.  I have usually found this to
be true when an older sibling dies in infancy.  Another side of my
family, all the boys had Carl as their first name and then used their
middle name to distinguish themselves from one another.

That's my two cents.

Bob Behnen
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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: St. Michele/Mitchell, Telsey and Zeltzer?
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:20:34 GMT


Hi..I'm brand new to this...so I apologize in advance if I breech some
protocol, or otherwise commit some glaring faux pas.

I know almost *nothing* about our roots...except that my paternal side's
last name is now Mitchell, but that it *was* St. Michele...apparently it
was anglecized upon a move from [I believe a french province of] Canada.
My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Telsey, and my mother's maiden
name is Zeltzer.  I know that the Zeltzers hailed orginally from
Germany, and I believe were Jewish.

That is *all* that I know..is there any way to do anything with this
information?

Thanks!

Annie


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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:12:14 EST
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From:         BAINTER@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
Subject:      Monica Bainter
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

My apologies for posting this to the list.  The message is for
Daniel Kortenkamp at Univ. of Wisc at Stevens Point.  I've been
trying to respond to him for weeks and keep getting error messages
back.

Daniel,

Thanks so much for the Monica Bainter Info.  The first name is a new on
for me, but if she's from the Wisc. or Minn. area, she's got to be
related.  She's about the same age as my father (born in 1911, in Ladysmith,
Wisc.) and I have not started to try to get cousins on my father's level
all identified yet, so I'm hoping I can find where she fits in.  If you
hear of anything else on her, please let me know.  I'm pretty far from
Wisc (I live in N. J.) and after 20 years, I'm still homesick.  I would
like to get back there and start looking up more records, but for now
I must get everything via phone, mail, and E-mail.  Thank you so much
for your help.

Nancy

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In article <ROOTS-L%93010315520203@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Bill Page
<WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET> writes:
>Looking up patents is fairly easy if you have access to a large
>library.  Writing this from memory (so titles may not be exactly
>right (I apologize):

....

>It gets even more complicated.  The Confederate States also
>issued patents.  All I've seen are the annual reports of the
>Confederate Commissioner of Patents, which have been microfilmed
>as part of the Confederate Imprints microfilm collection.

....
>Bill Page
>(409) 845-1952 Microtext Dept., Texas A&M Univ., College Station,
>               Texas 77840

Unfortunately, its even more complicated.  I found patents issued by the
Republic of Texas microfilmed (available from the regional Archives) in
some county records....

        Jeri


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From:         "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
Subject:      Have you seen these books?
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi,

I'm thinking about spending a few bucks on myself for some genealogy
reference books. Please let me know if you have seen or used any of
these, and if you can either recommend for or against the purchase
of any of these books or magazines.

From "The Frontier Press" -

  _The Scotch-Irish: A Social History_, by Leyburn. A study of these people
  in Scotland, their removal to Northern Ireland, and their migrations to
  America.

From "Hoenstine Rental Library" (rental only)
  _Guide To Historical & Genealogical Research In Pennsylvania_

From Carl Boyer -
  _Ancestors of American Presidents_, revised edition compiled by Gary Boyd
  Roberts.

From "Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Services" -
  _The Pennsylvania Line: A Research Guide to Pennsylvania Genealogy and
  Local History_. (Books, Maps, Microfilm, Newspapers, Census, etc.)

  _The Pennsylvania Genealogist & Historian_, "The only magazine devoted
  entirely to helping the Pennsylvania researcher"


Thanks,

  Jennifer R. Amon
  Amherst, Ohio      bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu

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RESEARCHING:
  AMON     (PA/Switz?)  DODD        (PA)           BROWN   (NJ)
  FARVER   (PA)         FREEMAN     (England)      INSLEY  (NJ)
  HEASLEY  (PA)         HAYES       (DE)           RIGGS   (NJ)
  FOULK    (PA)         HONEY       (DE)           ROY     (NJ)
  BUCHANAN (PA, Scot.)  CAPLAN      (Balto.,Lith.) REIMER  (NJ)
  STRIGHT  (PA)         FRIEDLANDER (Lith.)        STEVENS (CT)
  RUSSELL  (PA)         CARROLL     (PA)           BOVARD
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From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      FILES AVAILABLE (about genealogy)
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Readers:

Reference part of this message:

Good reading and lots of genealogical files are available.
Read this message.  Thanks Harry for sending me this message.

> ## From medina.CWRU.Edu!ac853 Thu Jan  7 14:44:25 1993
> ## From: ac853@medina.CWRU.Edu (Harry D. Liggett)
>
> For your information, this message from a Fidonet echo:
>
> Date:   Mon Jan 04 1993  06:25:26
> From:   Jack Sanders
> To:     All Genealogy Sysops
> Subj:   Files Available
> Attr:
> GENSYSOP         Echo          -------------------------------
>
> After nearly six years of operation, high cost has forced us to
> close The Source of Magic.  With more than 1,300 genealogy
> files, we have one of the largest libraries in the Northeast
> and I feel it's a shame to have much of this data disappear.
> Most of it was created by ourselves and exists nowhere else in
> this form. I urge any sysops who would like to add to their
> collections to file request MAGICGEN.ZIP and check out the
> lists. We have, for instance:
>
> * 675 text files of genealogical data on families from the
>   Northeast (New England, New York, New Jersey, and
>   Pennsylvania), done by surname
>
> * 540 text files of sources, help, tips, general information,
>   etc., on genealogy topics.
>
> * more than 625 Tiny Tafels in archived collections.
>
> You can file request what you wish, or you mail me disks to
> which I can copy the files you want (by full directories only).
> If you want to do it by disk, please send 5 1/4 inch high
> density (1.2 meg) floppies only, pre-formatted, and with a
> self-addressed, return mailer carrying sufficient postage.
> Address is Source of Magic, Box 502, Ridgefield CT 06877.
>
> I will not have time to select individual text files within a
> directory, and can copy only entire directories. Will ZIP them
> if you wish.
> --- msged 2.07
>  * Origin: SOURCE OF MAGIC: Northeast Roots 203-431-4687 HST
>    (1:141/725)
> --
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From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Schools in Vienna last century
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:52:51 GMT


Greetings,

   I am looking for a relative who attended school in Vienna the last century.
Could someone help me with the following:

*) Where would I start finding out which schools (probably those of "university"
	level) were open in the XIXth century?
*) If my relative never graduated, would the practice be still to keep the
	person's name that they had actually attended the school?
*) Any contacts in Vienna I could use to have the research done for me (at cost?)?
*) Any other ways I should play "detective" on this tidbit of information?


Thank you!


					Bohdan

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From: pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson)
Subject: Re: Birth Records in Texas
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:37:06 GMT

Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET> writes:

...

>Texas (probably like other states) has a provision for recording
>births after they occurred.  Sometimes births are recorded years
>after they occur.  Even though Texas started recording births in
>1903, it's fairly common to find birth certificates dating back
>to the early 1880s (and sometimes earlier).

Having spent a fair amount of time scanning the birth indexes
at the Texas State Archives, I can't say that it was "common"
to record births occurring before 1903 ... in fact, there was
only a small percentage of the population that did so.

>Some births which occurred in other states are registered in
>Texas.  My grandmother, Norma Belew, was born in Lauderdale Co.,
>Ala., in the 1880s; her birth certificate is on file in Ellis
>Co., Texas.  My brother-in-law's ancestor, Alfred Estlack, was
>born in New Mexico; his certificate is in Donley Co., Texas.

True, but here again, the number of such filings is very small.

>Obviously, the information on such certificates often contains
>errors.  Still, I'd advise anyone looking for birth certificates
>to check not only the state where the person was born, but also
>any states they later lived in, especially if they were of an age
>where they would have needed birth certificates for Social
>Security or war-related purposes.

>As an aside, some of the oldest Texas birth certificates
>sometimes include nifty (and unexpected) information, such as the
>military service of the father ... I've seen this written on the
>back of certificates at the county courthouse, and I'm not sure
>whether the information was duplicated on the copies of the
>certificates which were sent to the state offices.  My experience
>has been that if you ask for a copy of the birth certificate, all
>they routinely provide is the front side.

FYI -- beginning a year or so ago, the Texas State Health Dept.
will not longer issue copies of the original birth certificates,
but rather a typed version of the original, which may leave off
any such tid-bits (and one has to wonder about any new errors
introduced by this).

N. Shirlene Pearson
pearson@titan.arlut.utexas.edu

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Subject:      Nickname
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Re: Dicey.

I have ancestors who use this nickname, and their given name was Dinah or
Diana.

Rick Kitchen
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From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Counting Chromosomes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:01:14 GMT

Hi all,

With the tremendous help of computer networks in this field, I've managed
to extend my family tree back more than twenty generations. That's got me
to thinking: just how much I have in common genetically with someone, say,
5 or more generations back? Of the 23 chromosomes I got from my father,
and 23 from my mother only 11-12 on the average come from each of my four
grandparents. Likewise, ~6 from great grandparents, ~3 from g-g grandparents,
~1.5 from g-g-g gp, ~0.7 from g-g-g-g gp. So only six generations back it's
likely that I'll have NO genes from several ancestors in that generation.

Am I figuring this out right?

Anyway, what I'd like to see is a table of how many chromosomes one could
expect to have in common with a sibling, parent, Nth cousin Mth removed,
etc. Does such a thing exist?

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
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Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 17:26:38 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
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Subject: Charlemagne (was Famous Ancestors)
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

Well, I had a genealogy teacher once who told me that everyone who was
walking around on earth today who had at least one European line was
probably descended from Charlemagne (as he had many children and they
all survived, and good records are kept for royalty) so there's a
famous ancestor for you.  Even better, if you can get it back that
far, there are a few spurious lines going back to Adam, who was even
more famous!  *grin*  I have three of those lines myself, so far.

JULIE
julie@bones.et.byu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:46:58 CST
Reply-To:     Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Repeat SYSMGR Messages
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Here is what I believe is causing all the returned mail..

Tristate-On-Line (CBOS-UC-EDU) in Cincinnati has put a mailbox
limit of about thirty messages on all the subscribers.  If
a message is sent to a user who has reached their limit the
message is returned to the sender.  Since the sender is
ROOTS everyone of us gets the error message.  Since CBOS has
been having problems recently some of the users may not have been
able to get on to read thier mail and empty the mailbox.

This is not the same problem as when someone cancels an account
without un-subscribing, these people are still around, they just
haven't cleared out their messages quickly enough.  I don't know
what the solution is but the we (the message senders) are not
causing the problem, CBOS is!

What really scares me is if these reject messages are going to all
the ROOTS subscribers are they also going to the same users who
caused the problem which would start another round of rejected
mail?  Also over the weekend maybe more mailboxes will fill up
causing even more reject messages.



Ed




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