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From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Dutch football on ESPN
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:41:45 GMT

I read in a dutch newspaper that the match SVV-Ajax, played last sunday,
was broadcasted on ESPN. Anyone out in the US to confirm this? If this
is going to be regular then maybe the match Ajax-PSV Eindhoven played
on the 6 september will be broadcasted on ESPN. 

louis kossen
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From: 31mianowski@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC '94 TICKETS : WHEN? WHERE?
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:19:46 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

Does anybody know when and where we can buy tickets for WC '94?

I think that is should be sometime soon...

Let me know ASAP (or as you know)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Subject: re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. poland
Organization: Stanford School of Medicine
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:37:48 GMT


bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:

>In article <9208122200.AA19904@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com
> (Francis Stanisci) writes:

>>As for Spain vs. Poland, what I did see (all 10 or 15 minutes, thanks 
>>to nbc) the goals that were scored for the most part were very nice 
>>goals.  The plays that led up to a couple of them were debatable, but 
>>the goals themselves were nice!

>Francis,
>if the ball bounces of one defender after being shot at the goal and lands
>at the feet of a player that is in offense, then do you call that goal as 
>being well planned and prepared?

>I thought that the third goal scored by Spain was lucky.  The ball did not
>have to go in front of the Spanish player (#19 - do not remember the name).

What was lucky was that the first shot by the Spanish Player bounced off a
Polish player who just happenned to be in the way and did not go directly
into the goal. The second shot was simply justice.

>So, sometimes, it is luck that wins a game.
You mean sometimes--mostly when Poland loses?

>Imagine that the ball would have bounced harder of the Polish player, it
>would have been behind #19, and he would not have that shot.  Then the game
>would have gone in overtime, and the story could have changed.

Imagine that the ball would have bounced much harder off the Polish player,
in fact so hard that it takes off in the air, over the penalty area, the
midfield line, and over Toni, the Spanish Goalkeeper who is surprised and 
frozen, and then the ball takes three bounces and on the last one it hits
the post of the Spanish goal, and dribbles down the goal line and crosses it
just before Toni dives trying to stop it and a milisecond before the
Colombian referee, seeing that his beloved Spanish team was about to lose,
blows the final whistle.

Then Poland would have won and we would have been spared all this Polish
whining about "lucky goals" and "sold-out referees".
-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Subject: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ???        
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:07:22 GMT

In <1992Aug19.011121.17716@CS.ORST.EDU> visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:


>For ex, in 1982 South America had 4 hard spots: Brasil, Argentina, Chile 
>and Peru, and some European team was defeated by New Zealand who attended
>the Cup.

The group with New Zealand in 1982 consisted Brasil, USSR, Scotland and
New Zealand. New Zealand did not qualify for the second round. USSR
has beaten them 3-0, so the only possibility for what you're saying
is true is that New Zealand has beaten Scotland, which I doubt.
Somebody to clear it, please ?

>	Bye,

>	Marcello.

>-- 
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Marcello Visconti                 visconm@cs.orst.edu            |
>| Computer Science Department       Oregon State University        | 
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+

Cheers,

Michael.
From: craa26@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( J.McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Whatever Happenned to ?????
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:46:53 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1992Aug14.092215.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|> Whatever happenned to :-
|> 
|> 1) Celtic Family Card.

Still going strong. I can get you a form if you want to apply for membership.
|> 
|> 2) Terry Cassidy

He's applying for a job at Strathclyde Uni chemistry department.
Good luck to him in his new career.
|> 
|> 3) Martin Hayes

He had his leg broken in two by Scott Nisbet. Since then he has been unable
to play his usual position as an extra corner flag in the Celtic reserves.

|> 
|> 4) Kevin O'Donnel
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Sandy Mackinnon
|> University of Strathclyde
|> Glasgow
|> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
|> 
|> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: schoof@dec5.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof)
Subject: Re: world cup teams 1994
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:01:54 GMT

From article <1992Aug10.221519.12875@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, by jeplisch@nyx.cs.du.edu (jeffrey plischke):
> Could somebody please post an article listing teams that have 
> qualified for the World Cup in 1994. It would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> jeff

Well, the list is kind of short up to now:

   1. USA (as the host, who is always qualified)
   2. Germany (as world champion '90, to defend their title)

...and that's all up to now. The other qualifiers started in spring 92
and will continue 'til the end of 93. 

-Jochen

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From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Backpass
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:38:18 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <MNEWS.714140737.9313@gate.demon.co.uk> J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>
>> Rule changes go before the International Board which as far as I am aware
>> consists of one representative from each of the home countries (England,
>> Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland) plus four others. This means at least one
>> of the British Associations must support any rule change. Does anyone
>> know which one supported the backpass change?
>> 

     I believe that it had been expected that all four home FAs
 would vote against the proposed change, but that at the last minute,
 the English FA changed their mind and voted in favour.

 Regards, Steve.
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Polska liga, round 3
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Aug20.120850.29530@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
>In article <6399@kielouta.fi> csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:


>>>P.S. Does anybody read this? Waiting for your answer.
>>
>>Yes and No. Are there any foreign players in the Polish league. I may read it
>>if there are, otherwise  ............ :-(
>>
>Now what exactly does that have to do with it?
>

A lot. Most football funs like to know how their countrymen fare in foreign 
leagues. Like the Argies were interested in the Italian league b/c of Maradona,
Australian were interested in Belgian league b/c of Fara.. (sp?). Egyptians in
the Swiss league b/c of the Hassan bros, etc etc .................. I hope
you get the point.



--
gallows
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             An eye for an eye a FLAME for a FLAME  -me
From: rcampb@carson.u.washington.edu (Russell Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Best player nonsense ;-) (was Re: maradona)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:35:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Enough of this nonsense about who the best player is.  It certainly isn't
anyone mentioned thus far in this "Maradona is my god and I want to have
his children" type argument.  The best player, without a doubt, ever in
the history of the world is:

Billy the Fish of Southampton Argyle in the Experimental Electronic
Football League's Yin Division.


Hehehe.  And all you EEFL managers thought I was going to name one of my
own players?  Forget it.  8-P  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Manager:       Russell D. Campbell
E-address:     rcampb@u.washington.edu
Team Slogan:   If ye cannae play clean, ye don' ken the game, so don' play.
Team:          Campbell Clansmen (MCC), EEFL Western Division
                    Season 5 Marsupial Festival Champion		
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: maradona
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:11:17 GMT

In article <7749@public.BTR.COM> car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com) writes:
>In article <9208151938.AA07414@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>Kent's opinions appear genuine and unbiased and I won't try to pick on him
>point by point but I must comment on a couple of points:
>
>Diego's performance in 1990 was far from isignificant.  Yes there were some
>games in which he was not a factor but Argentina could not have won the two
>most important games, against Brasil and Italy without him.  
>
>He is not in the shape that you imagine and I am willing to bet that he
>will surprise you on his return and in 1994.
>
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>| Connective Strategies Inc.            |                      car@btr.com  |
>| ISDN PRI Connectivity Group           |         phone:      415-903-2585  |
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    MARADONNA IS HISTORY, PERIOD !!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:26:32 GMT

In article <13AUG92.09731535.0058@lafibm.lafayette.edu> EC33@lafibm.lafayette.edu (EC33) writes:
>In article <2A8A04D9.3542@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>>
>>Well.  What can I say, Carlos?
>>It is too bad that Maradona will always be the best player in the world
>>whether some people like it or not.
>>
>Always? Have you ever heard of a guy called PELE, aka "the athlete of
>the 20th century"?  Pele was not only a better player than Diego
>Armando (not Armendo) Maradona, but he had  something Maradona never had
>or will have: CLASS.

Amen!!!!!

--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
Member of the best one player football team :-)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ???        
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:31:06 GMT

--
In article <mikec.714208042@unixg.ubc.ca>, mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff) writes:

|>In <1992Aug19.011121.17716@CS.ORST.EDU> visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:
|>
|>
|>>For ex, in 1982 South America had 4 hard spots: Brasil, Argentina, Chile 
|>>and Peru, and some European team was defeated by New Zealand who attended
|>>the Cup.
|>
|>The group with New Zealand in 1982 consisted Brasil, USSR, Scotland and
|>New Zealand. New Zealand did not qualify for the second round. USSR
|>has beaten them 3-0, so the only possibility for what you're saying
|>is true is that New Zealand has beaten Scotland, which I doubt.
|>Somebody to clear it, please ?

Scotland have a great capacity for making small nations very happy.  However
New Zealand is not one of them.  Scotland beat them 5-2 and NZ went home
pointless.  Now had it been rugby.....

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: weymouth@percpt.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rule Changes- letter to FIFA
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:56:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug18.225328.23408@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, astley@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au () writes...
> 
>Below I include a letter I mailed off to FIFA HQ only a few days ago. 
>I post it here just in case some people agree with me and feel they don't have
>the time to write their own letter. Please modify it a little to suit you
>and mail it away. If we don't like the rule changes or want more changes then
>we should be vocal about or for ever hold keep our traps shut.
> 

Tim, great letter!  People should modify, and stress slightly different points, 
but the intention is right on. 

Don
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: c1c@oclc.org (Christopher Clinton)
Subject: Soccer on Satellite
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:18:08 GMT

> 
> Soccer on Satellite
> 
> Last Saturday (8/15) two international (non-US teams) games were shown on
> satellite.
> 
I called during the game and after continuously getting a busy signal I 
got through at half time.  I think the name of the company is WORLD VIDEO.
Their service is targeted for sportsbars etc because the first question
the gentleman asked was if I was a private household or a commercial
establishment.  They are selling a package of approx 30 games for a
fee of about $3500.  (I don't remember the exact number)

My interest is in a private decoding because there is no way I could 
convince a sportsbar around here to fork out the three grand 
because when college gridiron starts the bars will be packed with fans
of that game and they will not care a damm about us fitba folk.
The gentleman was non receptive to all the reasons I gave explaining
why he will not sell his product in this area.  

I think he should hook up with the PRIME Network.  Someone posted here
that Prime will be showing games but this is on at least a weeks delay.

The Leeds game was not in VC2 mode.  They are using some other scrambling
technique right now.  I would think that after the initial few weeks VC2
is what they will be using. 

There is also no plan to show Sunday or Monday games.  With a lot of these
games being potentially the best to see, this would be disappointing.

There is no good reason (in my view) not show these games live.

> is, I'll probably call and find out soon.
> [I did call and got an answering machine that then turned into a FAX]
> 
> The second game was on G6-23 at 3:00 p.m. (Eastern time) and was a complete game
> without commentary in the clear of Barcelona vs. Sao Paulo. Don't know if this
> time slot will carry additional games at a later date.

Last season one could generally find the Barcelona game "in the clear" each
weekend.  Normally Saturday afternoon.  Looks like this will continue.  Also,
there was never any commentary just stadium "natural" sound. 

> Generally G6 seems to be a pretty sure bet for watching international soccer.

G6 is always my first choice but its wise to check around.
 
> Happy soccer hunting !
> -- 
> Bengt A. Palsson                         | "TV is chewing gum for the eyes"
>


|||Chris Clinton, OCLC, Dublin, OH USA|||    c1c@oclc.org
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. Poland
Date: 12 Aug 1992 16:55:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <9208122200.AA19904@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:

>As for Spain vs. Poland, what I did see (all 10 or 15 minutes, thanks 
>to nbc) the goals that were scored for the most part were very nice 
>goals.  The plays that led up to a couple of them were debatable, but 
>the goals themselves were nice!

Francis,
if the ball bounces of one defender after being shot at the goal and lands
at the feet of a player that is in offense, then do you call that goal as 
being well planned and prepared?

I thought that the third goal scored by Spain was lucky.  The ball did not
have to go in front of the Spanish player (#19 - do not remember the name).

So, sometimes, it is luck that wins a game.
Imagine that the ball would have bounced harder of the Polish player, it
would have been behind #19, and he would not have that shot.  Then the game
would have gone in overtime, and the story could have changed.

Sasha Bucur

P.S. When two teams of very close strenght play together, the "luck" factor
becomes a bit more important that you say.  If you've ever play team sports
you know that the game plan is always not the same when applied to different
opponents.
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man City news
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:53:22 GMT

Bad news for the Blues last night as they went down 2-0 at Middlesbrough,
goals from Slaven in the fifteenth and eighteenth minutes deciding the
game. There was worse to come though, with Paul Lake appearing to suffer a
recurrence of the serious knee injury that's kept him out the game for the
last two years. Lake went down with no-one around him, clutching his knee
and looking in a lot of pain. He was helped off the field, and will see a
specialist today. The nightmare continued as Niall Quinn was sent off early
in the game for taking a swing at a Middlesbrough player.

After the game, manager Reid was seething at his team's performance, saying
that they had left themselves wide open at the back, and were lucky not to
have conceded several more goals. He had no dispute about the sending off,
remarking that "Quinn raised his arm at another player, and you can't do
that on the field". City went out of both cup competitions last season at
'Boro, and on being asked whether it was a bogey ground, he was typically
blunt.  "There's no such thing as a bogey ground - you make your own luck,
and we were awful tonight". Enough said. City are away at Blackburn on
Saturday, and really need a good result to get their Premier League
campaign going. With their third game in six days, though, it could be a
tough task against Jack Walker's millions. The Phelan transfer seems off
now, as another London club (Palace?) are talking about a 2 million plus
offer for the Wimbledon player.  

Cheers,

	Sean B
From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:21:40 GMT
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

In article <1992Aug19.135850.13436@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>In article <7747@public.BTR.COM> Carlos Rimola-Sarti writes:
>
>Dear Carlos,
>First, don't be so agressive, for you may be mistaken.
>
>Second, I do know the history of WC games including the elimination
>phases, and I'll bet I know it better than you. I have a perfect
>reference book, do you?

Well, I do try to keep the tone down and try to keep the postings at the
discussion level and not the argument level.  However, there are certain
statements like yours that are simply incorrect.  I think that 
your assertion that Uruguay and other South-American countries have not
amounted to much in world cups and other international competitions
have been clearly refuted by more than a handful of people on both
sides of the ocean.  However, you still appear inclined to believe that
only two countries in SA could play a significant role in a world cup.
I don't think anything I can say factual or opinion based would change
your mind at this point.  

And by the way.   Yes, I do have a couple of good references on soccer
and its history.  Only, I don't need to check them before beting :-)


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| Connective Strategies Inc.            |                      car@btr.com  |
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From: kaseko@krypton.its.uci.edu (Mohamed Kaseko)
Subject: Re: World Cup 94 - African Qualifiers
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: kaseko@krypton.its.uci.edu (Mohamed Kaseko)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:16:04 GMT

How about the fixtures for the rest of the groups??
and the playoffs for the final 3 (?) spots?

I would appreciate the information if you have it.

Thanks

Kaseko
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ???        
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:53:48 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <mikec.714208042@unixg.ubc.ca>, mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff) writes:
> In <1992Aug19.011121.17716@CS.ORST.EDU> visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:
> 
> 
>>For ex, in 1982 South America had 4 hard spots: Brasil, Argentina, Chile 
>>and Peru, and some European team was defeated by New Zealand who attended
>>the Cup.
> 
> The group with New Zealand in 1982 consisted Brasil, USSR, Scotland and
> New Zealand. New Zealand did not qualify for the second round. USSR
> has beaten them 3-0, so the only possibility for what you're saying
> is true is that New Zealand has beaten Scotland, which I doubt.
> Somebody to clear it, please ?

Why - Costa Rica did it :-). I think Marcello was talking about the qualifying
groups and I have already posted a correction about that.

Alan

ps for the record New Zealand 2 Scotland 5 and I thought the game against USSR
ended 2-0 after that dickhead Kenny Cresswell missed a chance to put NZ i up in
the first minute when he scooped the ball over the bar from about 6 inches.
From: tanner@kbomfg.enet.dec.com (Dave Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: A bit of moderation is needed
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:45:35 GMT
Organization: "Digital Equipment Co., Kaufbeuren, Germany"


>What ????, You mean like you want this group to be a one boring newsgroup
>without any arguments, contreversies and opinions. I mean nobody's throwing
>punches or shooting, this kind of stuff is healthy for the newsgroup.
>If that's the case then maybe you should drop the group.

    Mario I presume you are american or at least live there, otherwise you
wouldn't have mentioned "throwing punches or shooting". Is that how you settle
an argument?????? I wouldn't call this a boring news group at all, but Iam
sure there's a political group as well, so some of the folks should forward
their garbage into that group and stop polluting this one.

   Some of the material in here is excellent, and some of the replys and
discussions are carried out by people who know what their talking about. I'll
keep reading most of the stuff.

   Mario running a person or a persons country down might be healthy in your
eyes, but Iam sure its not in everybody elses. If you are American, are you
proud to be one????? Maybe now you will understand how other nationals feel
about their countries and cultures.

   This is my last word on this topic, lets stick to footie......


                                                regards......

                                                    -dave-