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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:46:10 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Ibid +/-
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I am still a supporter of Ibid.; I have at least 5 different
databases on my disk, for general items ("default bibliography"),
all the books in my office, all the books in the small Porter
Inst. library (about 4000), all the offprints in my office,
articles in PTL and PT... It all has worked reasonably well.
It has been extremely helpful with a number of dissertations, too.
It also works for Hebrew items under certain constraints (bibl.
producible by manual template only). In short, I wonder why
people have not been able to work with it satisfactorily.

As for selecting items from a database, of course it's a terrible
job if done manually. It is better to use Ibid itself for selecting
only those records you need, create a set, then produce a file
in Ibid format (via the "File" option, when generating a bibliography).
All that's needed then is adding ASCII 250 (the small dot
you see at the end of the fields; ALT-spacebar on NB standard keyboard)
using the CI command (ci enterascii 250 enter, then eliminating this
sign after <PG> (in the expanded mode). This can be done fairly quickly
even for 3000 items. Alternatively use the select.run XPL macro,
or write one to delete a complete record with the cursor anywhere
on any field in that record.

Of course Ibid is not perfect, and it gets at times erratic, but
I could almost always trace the source of trouble, like a print
mode in front of a filed, etc. (most of the troubles discussed over again
on this list).

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:31:29 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ibid and Notabene4
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> This is a plaintive cry for help (something seemed to go wrong with the
> first one). Could someone/anyone please tell me how to install Ibid
> Level 1 and Ibid Level1.1 Update in NB4? Installing from disk doesnt
> work, nor does simply copying the Ibid files from NB3.1 to NB4. NB4 isnt
> very useful to me if I cannot use Ibid with it.

I hesitated to speak up because I don't know this for a fact, but I
suspect that Ibid. for NB3.1 will simply not work with NB4.  The help
file for the Ibid. that works with NB4 is noticeably different from
the one for NB3.1, the key assignments are a bit different, etc.  The
Ibid. database files are unchanged--the new Ibid works fine with my
existing bibliography--but the help and program files are not the
same.  I am afraid that those who want to use Ibid. with NB4 are going
to have to upgrade Ibid. also...

If anybody knows otherwise I would be very happy to hear it...

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:19:26 EDT
From:         Michael T Bradley Jr <mtb3@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB and OS/2 Tips
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I had similar trouble with NB and OS/2 until Paul Bodin suggested
that I put my NB directory in my AUTOEXEC.BAT path statement.
More recently, my keyboard started locking up while in NB after
scrolling for several seconds, for example.  (I had to close the
NB session and start it up again--obviously the keyboard wasn't
totally frozen since I could Ctrl-Esc back to the WPS and shut-
down and restart NB.)  Since then, I have adjusted IDLE-SECONDS
to 60 and IDLE-SENSITIVITY to 100 (the default migration of NB
had these values set lower).  So far, this has alleviated the
keyboard problem in NB.  My settings may be excessive and Richard
Betts and Paul Bodin may be able to provide more precise advice
on this issue if it happens to occur with the initiator of this
thread (sorry, I don't have your name).

M. T. Bradley, Jr.   ||   E-mail:  mtb3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Dept. of Religion    ||   S-Mail:  P.O.D. C, Blacksburg, VA 24063
Columbia University  ||   V-mail:  (703) 951-3253
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:27:00 GMT
From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      Re Graphics and NBx
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

On the matter of SPSS and NB, I'm referring to SPSSPC+ (versions 2 and 3) in
the good-old-fashioned DOS environment.  The bar chart, for example, on an HP
is, well, a bar....chart:  black and barrish.  The crosstab tables have solid
lines (unless they occupy too much space in regular PT 10 or 12 and must use
the smaller PT 15 ("line printer" characters, in which case the vertical lines
are broken).  In all cases, however, one should follow the NB manual's advice
on graphics:  use non-proportional fonts for that section of your document.

As for SPSS for Windows, "I don't do Windows."  For multi-tasking, it's
Desqview.

Mark
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:16:02 EDT
From:         Austin Kerr <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      printer and NB4
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I find not having a manual for NB 4 something of a problem.  I installed it on
our personally owned computer with a brand new HP IIIP.  Now I have to go
through a menu system in order to "install" the printer so I can use its
internal fonts.

Why is this the case?  Is it to save memory?  Or, can one obtain wonderful
performance by somehow having the program load the HP IIIP printer driver to
use the internal fonts (ff 5 and ff 4 and ff 52 are the ones I have found)
every time I boot up?

Unlike so many other expert users on this list, my (and my Professor of Nursing
wife's) writings are almost entirely in English, with only an occasional
"foreign" word or letter.

Austin Kerr

Our OSU computer maven has our Humanities Dean believing that it is the "wave
of the future" for all of us to sit in our offices working off a big computer
in a central office that sents out WordPerfect.  Incredible how the 1970s won't
go away!
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:10:00 EDT
From:         Buford Norman <N290024@UNIVSCVM>
Subject:      OS/2
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I've just installed OS/2 2.0, and am still running NB 3.0, the new version
not having shown its face yet.  There must be some tricks to getting
everything to work right.  For example, NB can't find some of the help files,
such as the printer menu or the exporting files, unless C:NB is the default
directory.  The setup for OS/2 lists C:NB as the location of program files,
but this doesn't seem to be enough.  Do I have to add something to the various
path statements in config.sys?
  Other questions--does the mode con rate... command to speed up the cursor
have an OS/2 equivalent?  Is there a way to avoid the delay of 15 seconds or so
before printing starts?
   Help would be appreciated, either in the form of answers or of ideas about
where to look for them.
Buford Norman, U of S. Carolina, French and Classics
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:11:02 EDT
From:         Austin Kerr <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      NB 4 and HP IIIP
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Because I remained confused about printing fonts with a laser printer even
after I enquired on this list a few weeks ago, let me explain what I have
learned to the other non-expert users who read this list.

In fact, with NB 4 and an HP IIIP printer without buying any extra hardware
from HP or any software for producing fonts--using the "internal" fonts that
come with the printer, I found that I can print in Times and Helvetica (ff 5
and ff 4)and get proportional spacing.  I can also give different pt commands
and change the size (the scale, in computer printer mumbo jumbo) of the print
on the paper.

The HP IIIP costs U>S>$889.00 to faculty and staff members of educational
institutions, plus shipping and any local taxes.  (I was amazed to find UPS
dropped it on our front porch swing while no one was home!)

Like others on this list, I have not fully converted to NB 4.  On my Ohio State
computer I still run NB 3 so I do not have time at the moment to learn new
tricks: I must finish
revising a textbook by September 30.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:16:04 EDT
From:         "Robert W. Binkley" <rbinkley@UWOVAX.UWO.CA>
Subject:      Mennonite beard
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Robert Kelley is, of course, theologically and anthropologically
correct, but he ignores a looser, though widespread, usage in which
the term Mennonite is used to cover all these people. It was
presumably in this latter sense that this New Yorker, whoever he
is, was said to have, or to have had, this beard. (Or was it
perhaps not a New Yorker?)
   No sign of NB 4 or any kind of Ibid.
     Robert W. Binkley: Department of Philosophy (rbinkley@uwovax.uwo.ca)
     University of Western Ontario: London, Ont. N6A 3K7, CANADA
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 92 15:47:08 EDT
From:         "Robert S. Leopold" <MNHAN032@SIVM>
Subject:      Bad cursor location in NB4 menus
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Many thanks to the person who discovered that ANSI keyboard
reassignments stop the operation of [F5] in the NBVIDEO program.

The problem with the cursor falling in the wrong area in the
`Search for:' and `Change from:' menus, which Hans Borchers
mentions, appears in several other help menus as well.  It
seems to be caused by conflicting mode settings on monochrome
monitors, and/or the presence of MDFR and MDIT modes in type 1
and type 5 help frames.  In combination, these changes seem to
work:

In the NB.HLP file:

1) Change `MDFR' to `MDSO' in the Search and Change menus;

2) Change `MDIT' to `MDSO' in the two type 5 help frames in
which they appear (the `Custom Envelope Options' and `Body/Text-
length' menus);

In the NBCUSTOM.SET file, add the lines:

MDSO=120
MDBI=112

You may have to experiment with these values.

This last tip, a temporary fix, comes from Rebecca at NBI, who notes
that NBCUSTOM.SET settings override those in the NBVIDIO program.

Together, these changes have also given me a visible cursor
in the thesaurus.


Robert S. Leopold
Dept. of Anthropology
Smithsonian Institution
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 92 02:02:13 EST
From:         Michael Obuchowski <BELL@NYSPI>
Subject:      Re: Ibid and Notabene4
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

There is a version of Ibid and Ibid Plus on NB4 disks I have.  It is a separate
disk, labeled NB Orbis NB Ibid Ibid Plus.  The installation worked both during
the initial installation and from SET General Installation Ibid (Plus Ibid).
As somebody mentioned, SET - Other defaults - Access - Ibid settings does not w
ork : it tells me to install Ibid.
I had problems initially with file not found in Ibid.  What I figured was that
the new Ibid set my old bibliography as the default one - and could not handle
it right.  I deleted the NBBD information from the NBCUSTOM.SET file, restarted
Ibid, and asked it to "recreate" it, using the database creation menu (in what
I gather is Ibid Plus - it's hard to figure out which one is it).  Suddenly, ev
erything works fine.  If anybody is interested, I can backtrack the procedure i
n more detail.
                                                 Michael
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:27:02 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: IBID+/-
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Michael asks:
reconsider. Have they every fixed it so that it can drop a reference into a
footnote to be formatted according to your footnote deltas? That's what I was
waiting for? Do people in like fields ever share bibliographies? Are there,

As to the first question: Yes.  And they promiced that the update in 4.0 would
include the ability to drop the reference into the footnote in formatted form.
(I haven't gotten my 4.0 yet either).  As to the second, yes again, although
I've promiced my law and anthro. bib to a colleague for nearly a year now and
haven't gotten it out to him yet (learning from NBI?).
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:18:56 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OS/2
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Buford Norman writes:

> I've just installed OS/2 2.0, and am still running NB 3.0, the new version
> not having shown its face yet.  There must be some tricks to getting
> everything to work right.  For example, NB can't find some of the help files,
> such as the printer menu or the exporting files, unless C:NB is the default
> directory.  The setup for OS/2 lists C:NB as the location of program files,
> but this doesn't seem to be enough.  Do I have to add something to the various
> path statements in config.sys?

As Richard Betts notes, NB must be included in your PATH under OS/2
just as under DOS.  His advice is a bit confusing at one point,
however.  The PATH in CONFIG.SYS is *not* the place to put it.  You
must put this in the PATH in AUTOEXEC.BAT.  The latter is the path
used by all DOS VDM sessions.  The former is used only under native
OS/2.

>   Other questions--does the mode con rate... command to speed up the cursor
> have an OS/2 equivalent?

Look in the System Setup folder inside your OS/2 System folder.  If you
click on the Keyboard icon there are utilities for adjusting typematic
rate and delay.  To keep a program from changing the rate you set in
the Keyboard folder change the KBD_RATE_LOCK setting for that program
to "on".

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:50:00 EET
From:         "J-P Takala, PL35 00931 HKi, 3432619" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      graphics and unwanted form feeds
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I tried to <<IN>> a graphics file within a NB page.

Problem: the graph printed on a page of its own,
instead of in the space of 4 inches I had reserved for it.

The background problem: Harvard Graphics (V. 3.0) knows how to
send a print job to a disk file but does not give you the option
of not issuing a Form Feed command both before and after the
actual picture.

An attempted solution: look at the graphics file and see whether
you can weed out the unwanted form feeds.
Finding: looks too complicated, I could not locate any such
form feed commands that the HPIII manual indicated.

The Harvard Graphics dealer suggested
1) "get a more up-to-date word processor, one that handles
pictures, or
2) get a post script printer in which case deleting FFs
(or the equivalent) is possible."

I still would like to solve the problem by weeding out the
form feeds from the graphics file.
Can anyone help with this one?

Jukka-Pekka Takala
internet: JTAKALA@cc.Helsinki.Fi
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:39:54 IST
From:         Mr A Morgan <enam@HIPPO.RU.AC.ZA>
Subject:      Re: graphics and unwanted form feeds
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There is a program called INSET which will insert graphics into a NB
file--I have used it for scanned images.  I believe it comes bundled
with WordStar, but you can get it separately.  I don't remember having any
hassles with form feeds, and it does allow resizing of images as well as
clipping and image grabbing. I used a borrowed copy, so never became
expert with it, but it seemed easy to use.

For best results and total control, I find that importing NB files into
VENTURA works well, and that way you can handle images etc really
precisely (along with page layout etc.). If you would like a few tips on
converting NB files to VENTURA, let me know.

Best wishes
Arthur Morgan
English Dept.
Rhodes University
6140 Grahamstown
South Africa
enam@hippo.ru.ac.za
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:24:43 EDT
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Sell Out
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The following could be interpreted as a flame, so read at your
own risk.

Robert D. Hoberman wrote:

>As for the future, it seems to me that what we all should hope for is that NBI
>would be taken over by some better-capitalized company that would keep NB going
>as a specialty item, alongside its other products, and would advertise and
>promote it more vigorously.  The present owners of NBI would probably get more
>in the sell-out than they're taking home now, presumably the programmers would
>be kept on, we'd get updates, and no one loses.  The company that bought NBI
>out would get a superb product, a loyale clientele, and, I think, a large
>potential academic market.

I wonder if this would be the best of all possible worlds.  I bought NB
because of things like Textbase, Ibid, etc. which were in an integrated
package that WP (our local standard--I'm not the only NB user on campus,
but we are not exactly the majority) could not offer.  BUT, one thing that
keeps me using NB is the Xy-Write based editor which works much more
quickly and easily for actual writing.  Since I use both WP for unix
and NB everyday, I think it safe to say that NB is far and away a better
instrument for writing.  Now, if NB is bought by some software Sugar Daddy,
would said S.D. feel obligated to keep the XW based editor?  Let's say
that said S.D. were WP or Microsoft.  How soon would NB become an
expensive add-on to Word for Windows (admitted, I am a confirmed Windows
hater) or WP?  Like everyone else I am irritated with NBI for taking
my money and fooling around with it for 18 months or two years or
whatever it has been.  I am much more irritated with Microsoft and
their business practices which invent a whole operating system add-on
just to force me to buy things I didn't want in the first place, not
to mention the monopolistic side of trying to force all of us mavericks
to standardize on something they make money from.  And don't get me
started on the running-dog, boot-licking capitalist lackies who
publish computer magazines!  Maybe we're better off with a company
run by odd balls who are late with upgrades but who still believe that
writing in and of itself is a craft worth pursuing.

--
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:59:41 -0400
From:         wturpin1@CC.SWARTHMORE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Usefullness of Ibid.
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I wonder if it would be possible for some enthusiastic and expert person to
describe procedures for actually compiling a bibliography and keeping it up
to date.  I had originally imagined being able to push a button or two to
generate, say, a latest version of a bibliography for a course, and have
duly tried to add key words along with every entry, but in fact all I've
ever gotten was an undifferentiated list, in alphabetical order.  Is there
anyway to create a sort of template, something like "Roman History, Works
of Reference" + "General Studies" + "The Army" + "Slavery"; (you get the
idea)

I'm sure I should be able to figure this out, but I never have.


                                        William Turpin
                                        Classics (obviously)
                                        Swarthmore College

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:58:42 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: printer and NB4
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Austin Kerr writes:

> I find not having a manual for NB 4 something of a problem.  I installed it on
> our personally owned computer with a brand new HP IIIP.  Now I have to go
> through a menu system in order to "install" the printer so I can use its
> internal fonts.
>
> Why is this the case?  Is it to save memory?  Or, can one obtain wonderful
> performance by somehow having the program load the HP IIIP printer driver to
> use the internal fonts (ff 5 and ff 4 and ff 52 are the ones I have found)
> every time I boot up?

Austin, you don't say whether you are using a pre-release version.
Some of the pre-release versions will not load the printer
automatically.  The latest beta that I have will do so quite
reliably--the production version is supposed to as well.  Did you
select a default printer (with F2 I believe) when you installed printers?

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:00:13 EDT
From:         dave reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      "Position cursor manually"??
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Here's another funny NB4 thing. (Actually, it didn't get me laughing
very hard ... growling is more like it!)

I've just tried using the "Generic" style (invoked from the "Academic"
option under "Layout"). I've never grown very comfortable with the set
styles even in NB 3.1/SLS. But here's what happens (to me) in this
style in NB4: I tried typing in a title, then hit ENTER to force a
second line. The machine beeps, a "not found" message flashes before
my eyes to be replaced by the message "Position cursor manually"...BUT
I CAN'T!! The second line will NOT appear, and the "hard" return
cannot be performed. (So I use SHIFT-F8, put in the return, and go
back to SHIFT-F10. But surely this isn't necessary!)

This is probably in the "I must be an idiot" category, but can anyone
illuminate me on this seemingly odd control (or lack thereof) of the
keyboard?

David.
--
David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture                  Fax: (519) 886-9351
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