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From: ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang)
Subject: Re: Panties
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:29:04 GMT

In <Jason_Mulligan.02kl@camelot.apana.org.au> Jason_Mulligan@camelot.apana.org.au (Jason Mulligan) writes:

>Has anyone read the new Xanth book, 'The Color of her Panties'? Is ot any
>good?
	To tell you the truth, it seems to me that after the last
traditional Xanth (Golem in the Gears I think it was), his xanth books
seems to have gotten a lot more ... lewd. And a definite propensity for
wanting to know the colour of panties.
From: jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Panties, etc...
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 14:07:56 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

albion@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig T Manske) writes:
>Responding to ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au...
>  
>> ...lewd.  And a definite propensity for
>> wanting to know the colour of panties.
>
>Heh.  It's like that in his new(or at least for me) Mode books.  All that 
>talk about "panties and diapers and private parts" shows an interesting side
>of Sci-Fi....
> 
>Anyone heard of his book "PornuCopia" ?   Might be interesting to see what a 
>foray from Piers Anthony into the porn world would be like...
> 
>Albion
>

Yes, it would be interesting!!  But where can one find a copy is the -real-
question!!  You won't find it on the shelves with the rest of his books!!

J.T.


The BORG are DEAD!!!!
Long live the Federation!!!





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From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:19:09 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:

>(Advertise Barbie comics in Barbie Magazine.  Sell Disney comics at Disney
>theme parks.  Advertise science fiction comics in F&SF or Asimov's.  What a
>*ludicrous* idea!  Heaven forbid that the comics should actually *sell*, not
>to mention bring in *new* readers.)

Could you repeat this another way?  I'm not sure I understand what point
you're trying to make here.

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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Rocket Raccoon (was Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.150047.817@sinkhole.unf.edu> kmeyer@unf6.unf.edu (Karl F. Meyers) writes:
>>}>
>>}>Recent furry sighting--Rocket Raccoon has been making guest appearances
>>}>in recent issues of She-Hulk.  Marvel can't seem to get away from
>>}>furries, try as they might... 
>>}
>>}What issue?
>>
>>Well, I don't have the exact issue numbers, but from what I've been 
>>able to find out, Rocket Raccoon has been appearing in alternate
>>issues of She-Hulk for the last five issues or so.  And is in the
>>current issue, apparently.  So rush right down to your local comics
>>store and grab 'em! :-)  I hope this was of some help...
>
>Rocket's appeared in the last 4 or 5 issues, merely as a bit player (not as
>an 'active' co-star).  Byrne does draw a good Rocket Raccoon, though.  :)

I was only able to find him in 44 through 46.  Following 46, the
story seems to have returned to Earth, and Rocket does not appear.
I admit, I only scanned through pre-44 issues;  I didn't read them
from cover to cover.  Indeed, it seems that Rocket knows the She-Hulk;
from an earlier encounter, perhaps?  Or just because the Hulk met Rocket
several years ago?
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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?exit
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:04:09 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BzKH8z.HHx@NeoSoft.com>, peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.151333.9522@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
> Well, if you jump into the middle of *any* story with more plot than "who are
> we going to cream this issue" it's not going to make sense. Try that with
> Cerebus some time.

But I didn't exactly "jump into the middle" of it.  I started off with Command
Review 1-3.  That should give me a good starting point.

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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: EveCon 10 Con Report
Date: 3 JAN 93 21:18:23 EST
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc2.umbc.edu

             		CON REPORT FOR EVECON 10


	EveCon (and its July Counterpart, CastleCon), are sponsored by
Fantek Inc, of Fort Washington, Maryland and normally held mthe first weekend 
after the new Year.  Its known mostly for its eclectic attendees, live-action 
roleplaying, and unusual events.  EveCon also more people "in costume" and 
participating in activities.  Groups like cyperpunks, neo-pagans, medieval 
knights, belly dancers, and fans of nearly every science fiction show.  
	However, there is little furry presence at Evecon.  In fact, I was not 
going to write this report until I saw all those virus posts and figured people 
could use a break.
	For me the convention began Thursday Night when Peter "Speet" Stoller 
spent the night at my place and hand-colored a print for the EveCon art show 
while I played furrymuck.  Becuase of the quick thinking of Karen_Larson, my 
characters were not infecteded.  {The next day we made the hour drive from 
Baltimore to Arlington Virginia for the con.
	Most of my time and a fair amount of Speet's was spent in the computer 
room and impromtu artist's alley set up by Digital Dreamworks of Sterling 
Virginia.  There Speet did more hand coloring and talked along with local furry 
artist Roni (who should be at ConFurence 4).  Among the setups were 2 Mac II 
cis playing Spectre against each others; pcs with Wolfenstein 3D, Dune, and 
Scorched Earth, an old Atari 8-bit, and *gag* an Amiga with Lemmings.
	As for actual con activities, there was very little in the way of furry 
stuff--no furry party, no furry costumes, and not much furry art at all (the 
big empahsis was on dragons and vampires).  The only furrymuckers there were my 
self, Leona, and Armadillo.  Of the 4 hand-colored prints Speet drew, one sold 
for $15 and another for $30.
	EveCon is always doomed to have a small furry presence; its location 
(Washington DC area) and timing (right in between PhilCon and ConFurence) limit 
its appeal to local fur fans.  However, this is a nice con to hang around and 
be part of anyway.  Its like what other fan-run conventions were like when they 
were good.
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Albedo *boring* ?!?!
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:15:41 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <553800005@peg.pegasus.oz.au>, lainem@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:
> 
> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>Albedo #7 was boring.  Incidentally, I haven't seen much of Taral Wayne's work

> Sebkha :-)) and I appreciate a title that chooses its own pace, instead of
> feeling compelled to have slug fest every few pages to hold interest.  I'm

I'm getting tired of the insinuations that if I'm getting bored with Albedo,
then all I'm missing is a slugfest.  Incidentally, I found Gallacci's "A Day
with the Felnas" in Refractions much more interesting.  No violence, not really
any conflict per se.  Hey, not really a *plot*, either.  Oh well.  It *did*
have a lot of text, but somehow it struck me as being a bit more interesting. 
Maybe it was because I was getting a bit more of a peek into a fascinating
world.  I don't mind that, honestly I don't...

-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
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From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: 20-point definition of furry fandom
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:18:13 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

>experience with points #16 through #18 up there.  As for having a furry
>character being a "controlled schizophrenia," well, no experience with
>that, either, but it sounds somewhat harsh, perhaps unintentionally
>implying that all role-players are slightly insane when they act as a
>different personality.

Hmm.  I recall that when I read this treatise, it contained a footnote
describing what was meant by "controlled schizophrenia."  The term
refers to what takes place when a writer places himself in the mind of
his created character in order to explore the reactions that the
character would have in the story.  This is hardly insanity; it is
actually creativity.

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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:37:36 GMT

Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
>In article <1992Dec19.151333.9522@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec19.005400.24689@news2.cis.umn.edu>, avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>> > Maybe--just _maybe_--AT&T makes computers that nobody wants to buy...
>
>Hardly. The AT&T 6300 and 7300 lines were absolutely killer machines, way
>better than what IBM was selling so successfully, and I don't know anyone
>who's had one who had a word bad to say about the computer. About AT&T, yes,
>but not about the systems.

If they are like the other machines AT&T has offered in the past, then they
are probably overpriced.  The NeXT is a killer machine, too, but nobody
wants to buy them (in any great number, anyway) because they're expensive
and the average PC user doesn't really want want or need what it has
to offer.

Likewise, ALBEDO doesn't offer what the general comic book reader is
looking for.  This is not a criticism; if anything, it is a point in
its favor.  But if someone does not want to produce a book that the
comic-buying public wants, then that person should not get upset when
the comic-buying public does not buy their book.

>> > Likewise, maybe--just _maybe_--the problems with ALBEDO stem from factors
>> > _other_ than how the book has or has not been promoted.
>
>Like, it's actually got an ongoing plot line that makes sense, multiple
>threads of plot, characters with normal motivation, and no superheroes.
>Yeh, I can see how that would fail to appeal to most comic book readers.

You ought to read Dave Sim's editorial in CEREBUS #162--you're starting to
sound like Gary Groth.  If all you are interested in is selling lots and
lots of comic books, then the cold, hard truth is that your book will
probably have to have superheroes in it.  If it doesn't, then it better
have one hell of a good story, and good art to back it up probably wouldn't
hurt.

Is that the case with ALBEDO?  I'm afraid not.  I've known Steve
Gallacci for about 10 years.  He's a good fellow, and puts a lot of effort
into ALBEBO, a book that I read and occasionally enjoy.  But it is a book
that has limited appeal outside a small group of comics fans.  And at this
point I don't think there's much anyone can do about that without making
some major changes to the book.

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From: mauser@intercon.com (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furry Magazines, Fanzines
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:33:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> From: ctan@world.std.com (Cecilia M Tan)
> Hello, I'm repeating this question I asked in another newsgroup since
> someone kindly pointed me to this newsgroup which seems kindly pointed
> toward what I seek -- is there a magazine or fanzine that furry fandom
> reads?  I'm sure there are several out there, but pointers to them
> would be much appreciated.  (e-mail to me please and I'll compile and
> repost results for all interested)
> 
> I have already been pointed to something called YARF!
> 
> What else is out there?  Thanks for your help.

Heya ctan!  I put out an APAzine called Gallery that contains mostly furry 
stuff.  A few serials, mostly illustrations, and lots of Con reports.  It's 
huge, the last issue was 136 pages, and had 22 artists participating in it.

Subscriptions are by the account method, you send in something like $20, and 
the cost of the issue and postage is deducted from it.  You get a slip 
telling you how much is left, and when to send more.

My address:
Richard Chandler/Gallery
843 Locust St. Apt 110B
Herndon, VA 22070-4958

Issue #13 is due out in February.  Back issues are available from Ed Zolna's 
Mailbox Books or Brian Sutton's Happy Jackal Graphics (Addresses on demand).
E-mail me if you have any other questions.
From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: FurryMuck party
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:20:59 GMT
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: Chad Childers <chad@quality.ta.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pms035.pms.ford.com
Keywords: Detroit Con Jan 22-4
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesman for Ford Tech Affairs
Originator: chad@pms035

Transcendental Confusion is coming soon... and we are once again planning a
great @! party Friday night, under the direction of Paul Haas and the Stilyagi
Air Corps (send a message with 'subscribe stilyagi <your address>' in the body
to majordomo@hamjudo.mi.org if you are interested in joining the UofM Science
Fiction Club mailing list).

Saturday night, the premier party responsibilities will be taken over by
S'A'Alis from FurryMuck and Laura from TrekMuse.  Yes, it's Furries In Space!
(apologies to Jim Henson)

Internet connectivity for ConFusion is provided care of Msen.  If you are
interested in your very own home or small business site, it's less than
you think!  Contact info@msen.com.

Finally, Trancendental ConFusion is January 22-24, 1993, at the Southfield
Days Hotel, Southfield, Michigan.  GoH: Fred Saberhagen, AGoH: Randy Asplund-
Faith, Toastmaster: Jodie Offutt, FGoH: Roger & Pat Simms.  There will be
a general computer room, an Amiga room, a con suite, gaming, a fanzine room,
art show, masquerade ball, picnic, movies, panels and a writing workshop.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.063626.15939@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> At any rate, the only reason I read Albedo (actually, "look at" Albedo)
> is because of the artwork.  The story is a bit hard to follow, and the
> dialogue is either talking over my head with tech-talk or speaking
> slowly and deliberately at me with baby-talk.

But the tech-talk is great. It actually makes sense, which is *wonderful*.
It's the only comic I've seen that qualifies as science fiction, as opposed
to fantasy.

> And through it all, none of the characters appear to be feeling much
> *emotion*.

Erma's dad does, and her boyfriend. Erma herself is hardly a balanced
individual (I'd say anal-retentive, myself).
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From: dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)
Subject: screwed up mail and REFRACTIONS info.
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:01:41 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: smarry@zooid
Distribution: alt

[]
     Somebody with the email address "smarry@zooid" sent me mail about
REFRACTIONS and the address (as is obvious from the above) was truncated...
if you're reading this, could you send again?

     Relevant furry info:
     YES, REFRACTIONS #2 _IS_ ACCEPTING SUBMISSIONS! :-) Please send as
soon as you get the chance. DEADLINE FOR FIRST DRAFTS IS ABSOLUTELY NO
LATER THAN APRIL 30, 1993!
     Update V1.1 will go out as soon as I get back from vacation. If you
got any of the previous Updates, you should get the next one. If you didn't,
send me mail with your PHYSICAL, MAIL address, and I'll add you to the
mailing list.
     I've also got subscription rates about ready and it looks like I'll
be able to accept cheques (bank drafts _only_ - no currency) from Canada,
England, Austria, and Australia - and a few other places as well. That'll
be in Update 1.1 too.
                                                  - R'ykandar.

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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Albedo #7
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:46:40 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <9212211926.AA06603@lynx.corp.frame.com>, jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
> Me, I really enjoyed Albedo #7.  It is refreshing to see a comic that doesn't
> think it has to be 2 pages exposition/20 pages violence to retain my interest.
> If novels can be more heavily political intrigue than action, why can't
> comics?  I have no complaints at this time.

And it *doesn't* have to have tons of violence to retain my interest. 
Political intrigue in and of itself as part of a storyline is not a negative
point, IMHO.  It'd be nice if I could dredge up some examples, but I haven't
read all that many comics, so the closest I can come to it would be Venus Wars
(non-furry and with plenty of gratuitous violence) and Rhudiprrt.  I got tired
of Venus Wars, however, because each episode seemed too short for the money I
was paying for each issue.  (Whether it was or not ... {shrug} ... That's just
the way I felt, and however the consumer's feelings are translated into sales
is probably worthy enough to be of importance to a maker of comics.)  As for
Rhudiprrt, it's a matter of not enough supply for the demand.  =,  i.e. I've
been waiting a *loooong* time for Rhudi #7, and when I'm certain I can *get*
it, I'll certainly order it.

Albedo has had some pretty neat stuff in it.  However, #7 looked like a bunch
of talking heads, at least compared to the stuff I'd read back in Command
Review #1-3.  Something looks different, and I'm not sure I like it.

Now, a few folks can insult all us common comic-buyers by trying to say that
it's just because it doesn't have enough blood-n-guts in it, of course. 
Judging from the gore titles that seem so prominent in my local comics shop,
I'm not quite sure I could argue against that in terms of the general
comic-buying public.

I'm a comic-buying person, and I bought some installments in the EDF series,
and I thought that, since there seems to be some concern over Albedo's falling
sales, my explanation of *my* reasons why I'm not likely to buy Albedo again
(mostly, because it's boring) I thought would possibly give a little more
insight into at least *one* of the possible reasons why people might not be
buying that comic as much as one would like.

(Wow.  Was that all one sentence?)
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From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Albedo #7
Date: 27 Dec 1992 08:46:03 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:

>of Venus Wars, however, because each episode seemed too short for the money I
>was paying for each issue.  (Whether it was or not ... {shrug} ... That's just
>the way I felt, and however the consumer's feelings are translated into sales
>is probably worthy enough to be of importance to a maker of comics.)

Actually, most of the current "manga" comics are like that -- they seem fast
because they are designed to be read fast. Each episode is pretty intense and
I find that every issue of Venus Wars or Caravan Kidd or Battle Angel Alita
zooms by in about 10-12 minutes, but it makes a good head rush (and it's safer
than more direct methods).

Manga in Japan (FYI) is printed (I believe) weekly in thick anthology "phone
books" on fairly cheap paper, and is usually read quickly during an hour long
commute by train into Tokyo or in some other nook and cranny of an otherwise
overworked Japanese's life. American comics are generally not like that, but
manga-ish comics done by Americans (Dirty Pair is the big example here, I'd
also include Gold Digger although some may disagree) will usually come close
by using a dense variant of the normal American comic style. By this I mean
carefully chosen shifts between large and small panels, dialog or no dialog,
and so on. Manga tends to be very visually oriented, and that eats up pages
quickly. The question is whether the product of the intensity and the length
is enough to be worth your dollar (or two fifty, like it usually is).

>Albedo has had some pretty neat stuff in it.  However, #7 looked like a bunch
>of talking heads, at least compared to the stuff I'd read back in Command
>Review #1-3.  Something looks different, and I'm not sure I like it.

The feeling I get is that Steve is trying to cram a lot of character
development into little space, and it's stretching things somewhat. I don't
mind an occasional issue like this, but it had better not become the norm
unless things get really interesting (and to me who started from scratch when
New Albedo #1 came out, it nearly is).

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Albedo == hot? Eh?
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:41:18 GMT
Organization: Yeah, right..
Originator: ke94002@black


  Can anyone think of a sensible reason why New Albedo #4 should be
particularly valuable? Having just been browsing the back issue
bins in a shop (Stateside Comics, for anyone else in the UK), they
were selling NA #4 for UKP 9.75 -- nigh-on $15. This confused me no
end, as it's not got any specical backup artists, and is, as far as
I can see, no different from any of the other issues they were
selling for UKP 0.90..

 I asked the guy there, and his best guess was that it'd been
confused with #4 of the first series -- which makes a bit more
sense, I suppose, but still seems unlikely as Overstreet only
values /that/ at $6 -- nothing near what they were asking.

 Anyway -- my curiosity's been aroused -- anyone got any ideas?


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