HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Sharon Kowalski Comes Home
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:17:33 GMT

In article <92104.151534IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
|> she was just here (karen, not sharon; sharon was sick).
|> my goddess, what a speaker!  anyone in charge of classes
|> that do that sort of thing should make listening to her speech
|> mandatory (and subject to a quiz afterward).  she said a lot
|> of stuff that would make the average clueless type think.
|> i'm going to be the Official Campus Lesbian (even Official
|> Campus Homosexual, as none of the guys have volunteered) for
|> a couple of interpersonal communication classes, but i wish i
|> could have sent them to listen to her instead.
|> 
|>                                         -ailsa

You'll do just fine.  You've got lots of good things to say.  (we
know! :-)   )  And the important point is that you are a fellow
student.  No matter how good a celebrity speaker is (not that karen
and sharon ever wanted to be celebrities...) they can easily be
forgotten once they pack up and go home.  It's a lot harder to 
ignore the girl next door.  Good luck.
-- 



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:51:47 GMT


Alfredo, we seem to be getting somewhere, albeit at glacial speed.

You are willing to admit that you don't know much about gay people.
You post some opinions that are extremely insulting to gay people. Now
it is time to take the next logical step. Since you are interested
in gay people, it might increase your knowledge of gay people  to
consider why the gay people on this net are so uniformally insulted
by the remarks that you post. That way you might augment your deficient
knowledge of gay people.


be well
josh
From: g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: May Helleren - SECRETS
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:09:50 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein, the 24hr man) writes:

>I am posting the following song on behalf of my 15 year old
>daughter, comments are welcome:

>(Sort of thought you people might want to comment on this,
> if you want to flame anyone, do me in, not my daughter...)

>----------------------------------------------------------------
>--------------------------- SECRETS ----------------------------
>----------------------------------------------------------------

It is said that three people may keep a secret if two of them are dead.
										--Ben Franklin
-- 
\ /  /    / /  /\   | I trapped all alone in the gas station of love,
 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | and I have to use the self-service pumps.
 / \/  /   \ \/ \   | 	--"Weird Al" Yankovic.
g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Regrets
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:34:11 GMT

In article <kujumcINN75t@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)  
writes:

> | I do not understand what do you mean by this.
> | Do you have any problem with the land of Peron?
> | Do you have any problem with Peron?
> 
> I see you're still in a state of denial.  Alberto, you'll never
> get better until you accept that you do have a problem.

I am not denying anything. I do not understand what you are saying.
Maybe, if you explain it better, I would be able to understand and get  
treatment for it.


> 
> | > But that someone
> | > with a congenital affliction such as Argentinianism 
> |
> | Now you are really wrong.
> | I cannot have a congenital affliction such as Argentinianism.
> 
> Oh, but you're wrong, Alberto.  Argentinianism is amenable to therapy,
> but first you'll have to admit your congenital affliction.  Then, and
> only if you *really* want it and work *very* hard, can you attain to 
> a state of mental health.

Congenital means that I am naturally Argentinian born, and there is where  
you are wrong.


> 
> | > should later 
> | > worship at the shrine of Freud, and not even Freud, really, but  
*French*
> | > Freud is too much.  Alberto -- please shut up.  Don't you realize  
that
> | > Freud and Lacan are taken seriously these days, when they're taken
> | > seriously, only by thrill-seeking literary theorists? 
> |
> | At the light of the first part of your post, this is not more than  
logic:
> | Cannot be taken seriously.
> 
> What part of that can't be taken seriously?  Freud and Lacan are taken
> seriously by some literary theorists.  I accord them about as much
> reverence as I do Zeus and Odin.

Any part. You choose.
Anyway, I would not be surprised if you were reverencing Zeus and Odin  
right now.

> 
> Arne

AAP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:50:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.192708.2033@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>  
jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester) writes:
> aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) divulges:
> ->
> ->Sometimes it sounds like Tim Pierce and efl are the same person.
> 
> Why?  Because they're both bisexual and believe in open relationships?
> If that were the only qualification, I know several people in my
> social group that must be elf!!! and Tim...

Just the way the write.

> 
> ->Anyway, to have your partners consent does not make it any better.
> 
> Does not make WHAT any better?  Are you saying that the open
> relationship is a BAD thing?  Why?  Because "society doesn't like it"?

I think that they have some problem.

> 
> If all parties concerned are knowledgeable about the situation and
> they all are safe and sane about their practices and no-one gets hurt
> by it, how can it be bad?

Oh, sure. They all are sane???
Sure, yeah.
What they need is some kind of therapy.
But, of course, anything might be explained so it looks good. I am sure  
that you have a good excuse for all marginal behavior. And, the best part  
is: I am sure that you will always be able to show that the ones that have  
a problem are the others.
Yeah.

AAP


> 
> JOhn.
> 
> -- 
> /-John A Kusters,  
jr.----------------------------------------------------______
> | jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com               
\    /
> Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!        
\  /
> But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy &  
Phillips
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: persecution complex
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:44:50 GMT


I love this...  Here is my take on some of the last conversations
that have occured on this group.


AAP comes in and says that homosexuals are inherently disfunctional
parents and therefore should not be "allowed" to have children.  
Homosexuals see this attack, and say "say what?  I know lots of homosexual
parents, and they are all wonderful parents."  AAP, at the same time
says, "See, Freud says that it is so" and "I am just expressing my opinion".

Then, he posts something saying how he is being "attacked".


Look, if you (heterosexuals) are going to post something concerning
homosexuals, with whom you have no direct experience, which homosexuals
consider an "attack" (telling us that we should not be allowed to do something
is such a thing), you start the battle.  Don't feel that you are persecuted
for being heterosexual, you are being persecuted because you are telling
us things about our lives without the benefit of any first hand experience.

Using Adolfo as an example, this would be like my telling him what was
wrong with families in Argentina.  I can quote all sorts of papers, and all
sorts of "experts" but I only know of three families from Argentina, so I
have no clue as to whether this is actually true.  It would be rather bold
of me to make any conclusions on this, correct?  It would be rather paranoid
of me to think that when I get attacked for expressing these opinions that
all non-argentinians are always wrong while all argentinians are right.




FWA
Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:07:30 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.091148.2393@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes:
>>But I like both mushrooms AND men!!  My favorite topping, however, is green
>>peppers.....

>Pervert. Sick vile animal. Green peppers can't have natural children.
Yeah I hate them synthesised green peppers too. Should be a law against it.
Mushrooms on the other hand...
-- 
\ /  /    / /  /\   | I trapped all alone in the gas station of love,
 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | and I have to use the self-service pumps.
 / \/  /   \ \/ \   | 	--"Weird Al" Yankovic.
g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester)
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:21:36 GMT

A short while ago in a totally relevant post things went mad and then
sik writes

>Well,  I for one like mushroom and females (the latter not on the pizza).
>Don't know it there is a connection there though, but my daughter does not
>like mushrooms but boys.  Is this the sort of information you were after,
>Jester?  Why don't you call for a poll ?-)

OK I've has a request for a poll so here we go.

Please rank the following pizza toppings with a rating from 
0 (Most masculine) to 9 (Most feminine).


The Lot

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Ham and Pinapple

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Supreme (== the lot but, no anchovies, no olives)

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Bacon and egg

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Chicken (I've had one they exist-> BBQ sauce - very nice I give it a 1)

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Pepperoni

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Meat-lovers

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9


Vegetarian

M									F
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9

Cmon you guys smile }8^{)
-- 
\ /  /    / /  /\   | ill have two all beef patties special sauce lettuce
 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | cheese pickles onions oops wrong crap and no puntuation
 / \/  /   \ \/ \   | 
g8801935@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
From: jem6892@summa.tamu.edu (The Whipping Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: FAG, DYKE, AND QUEER ARE ALL IN MY DICTIONARY
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:05:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.3211.9877@druid.csc.ncsu.edu>, asahi@druid.csc.ncsu.edu (B.P. Asahi) writes...
> 
>Homophobia is an irrational fear of homos, I have a rational 
>loathing of homos and their disgusting practices. 

What do their "practices" have to do with you?

James Munger
"And I thought all the homophobes were here at aTm"
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: babies
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:10:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.041002.29432
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Alfredo, I think that you are beginning to get it. Gay people are
trying to change the social norm that states that we are inferior, and
that we have to hide our sexuality or face strong repression from
society. When first proposed by the German gay rights movement in the 
1920's, the result was extermination at Dachau. Now the idea that gay
people are equal and should be treated as such is being fought in the
mainstream of western societies.  It will probably be generations for
everyone to accept that.


To give an analogous case, when Napoleon proposed that Jews have
equal legal rights and obligations of citizenship with Christians,
it was a radical step, which was reversed everywhere when Napoleon
was exiled to Elba. However over time, and in the reaction to Hitler's
massacres, it is the social norm that Jews be treated equally. This did
not prevent the Argintinian military dictatorship from taking potshots
at Argentinian Jews using the spurious reasoning that all Jews are
communists. These things take time. 

It will be a couple of generations until gays are fully accepted as
being human. To use this reasoning to prevent a change in the social
norms will recursively lead to the situation where you suggest that
social norms should never change. Instead, you should accept those
people who are trying to change the social norms and help them, unless
you think that their change is for the worse.

be well
josh
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Subject: Re: References
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:13:11 GMT

aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) divulges:
-> IMPRINT: New York : Knopf, 1947, c1939.
-> IMPRINT: New York, Washington Square Press [1952]
-> IMPRINT: New York, Grove Press [1955, c1948]
-> IMPRINT: London : Hogarth Press ; The Institute of Psycho-analysis, 1957.
-> IMPRINT: New York, W. W. Norton [1962, c1961]
-> IMPRINT: New York, Capricorn Books [1964]
-> IMPRINT: New York, Norton [1964]
-> IMPRINT: New York, International Universities Press [1967, c1966]
-> IMPRINT: London ; Boston : Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1982.
-> IMPRINT: Wellesley, Mass. : Stone Center for Developmental Services and
->          Studies, Wellesley College, 1986.
-> IMPRINT: New York, N.Y. : W.W. Norton, 1988.
-> IMPRINT: Oxford, UK ; Cambridge, Mass., USA : Blackwell, 1990.

Take a look at all of these copyright/printing dates!  There are
mostly all from at least 25 years ago.  The only modern ones are
reviews of the ancient ones.  According to my intro to psych classes,
psychology has progressed very far beyond Freud's concept of
psychoanalysis.

From what I've read, this Oedipus complex Alberto is so fond of
relying on (perhaps he has one?) is thought to be an uncommon
occurance, and perhaps even a significant deviation.  It is not
believed to occur in every developing child.

JOhn.
-- 
/-John A Kusters, jr.----------------------------------------------------______
| jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com              \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Subject: Re: Adream
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:37:11 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) divulges:
->In article <1992Apr16.071413.3019@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester) writes:
->
->About the second part, I am an heterosexual human being. Do I know all
->there is to know about human beings and heterosexuality? No.
->Do I know more than others who are not heterosexuals about 
->heterosexuality? No.
->WHat I do know is how it feels to be one. It does not mean that I do know
->how and why it works that way.

Funny, when I say that I know what it feels like to be gay, you say
"experience is not knowledges" (I'm paraphrasing).  Should we take
your word on what it's like to be heterosexual, or should we just pull
out some crusty old books on what your problems are?

JOhn.
-- 
/-John A Kusters, jr.----------------------------------------------------______
| jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com              \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: macro@cup.hp.com (Patrick MacRoberts)
Subject: Re: More Baby Talk
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:15:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA


% Over and over, you say that raising a child in a gay household goes
% agains society's norms (whatever that is supposed to mean), and that
% the child would be harmed in some vague, non-quite-understandable way.

I think the fear that the child will have homosexuality shoved down
it's throat.

% My question is:  Do you have any other objections other than "society
% doesn't work that way?"

No, they do not.

% However, we also know that some areas of society WILL tolerate it.

I believe that should be "most" not "some".

% And in order to change society to be more accepting and tolerant, we
% are going to have to show them that homosexuals do have genuine
% families, and that children raised by homosexuals grow up healthy,
% well-adjusted, and as normal as any other member of society.

In truth, *I* think that a child raised in a homosexual household has
a much better chance of accepting its sexuality, whether that
sexuality be Hetero or Homo.  In other ways, the child _should_ end up
the same.

While Heterosexual parents (generally) freak when their Homosexual
children come out to them, I *believe* that Homosexual parents would
say, "That's nice, would you like some asparagus with your dinner?"
In other words, the sexual orientation of the child would not be
limited by the sexual orientation of the parent.

I know repressed gays, and I must say they're an unhappy lot.  It
would be far better if their parents were accepting of their
orientation rather than afraid of it.

-Patrick
--
Why would you want a 1-line sig, Paul?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame,news.admin,soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tracking Anything on the net.
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:48:42 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Apr7.194033.22452@cattnts> craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell) writes:
>With resect to tracking fake postings on the net,
>with co-operation from various sysadmins, you should (in theory) be
>able to back track an article to the source machine by the time stamps
>and communications logs for that article's file. Whoever's system has the
>oldest version of the file in question, should be the original.

>Is this too simple? Stupid?

If an NNTP server allows anonymous posting, then anyone can inject a forged
message with any path header that they want.  If a UUCP site allows 
anonymous UUCP and has rnews set in the Permissions file, then the same
would hold true.

It's too simple.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: kimpl@soda.berkeley.edu (peter lee kim)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: a lament
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:38:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s0vpnINNs4p
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

i sit here in my bedroom as my love/boyfriend/lover/friend/partner
(would that there was truly a single word to describe our loving
bond) turns in for bed.  i have been reading news, and i am sorely
depressed at all the hate that is flowing from the fingers of the 
smallmindedhatefulpeople.

i lament the fact that they are so determined to paint all of us
in such ugly colors.  they stand there with their eyes seeing
what they would see, but not what is truly to be seen.  they would
tell us that we are unhappy, unbalance, and ungodly.  they have
not even asked us how we feel.  they have not asked who we are.
they have not seen how we live our lives.  except for what their 
narrow minds would see, and in doing so, they deny the integrity
of our lives, they deny our love, they deny our very humanity.

we are people.  we stand before the world, not to be judged, but
to live our lives as we are able.  no more, no less.  we do not need 
to prove anything to the world, but the blind would have us
waste our time doing so.  we know the reality of our love and our
lives.  what needs be done is the healing/opening of their eyes and
hearts.  we are faced with a fight not of our choosing, but one we
dare not shy away from.  we do not fight to validate our lives.  we
do not fight to prove them wrong.  we do not fight to win our place
in the world.  we fight to open their eyes to the truth that we
each live daily.  we validate our own lives.  we know the truth.
we have our place.   deny it as they try.

peter kim -whose heart is heavy this night
kimpl@soda.berkeley.edu
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: References
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:49:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr10.024945.3816
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


In fact, freudian psycoanalysis did claim to be able to change sexual
orientation, and that claim was refuted. Michael Duberman, a professor
of History at CUNY graduate center, wrote a book extensively detailing
the unsuccessful psycological treatment attempted in his case, with
extensive commentary on the theory behind that treatment.

A real science is quite interested in deviation from the norm. For over
99.9 percent of all observable interactions, at constant acceleration
the initial velocity plus the acceleration times the elapsed time. With
one single deviation from this, the Michelson Morley experiment, the
whole theory of Newtonian Physics were thrown out.

By this kind of standard of scientific proof, the freudian theory
of sexual orientation fails. 

be well
josh
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: More references for poor Little JOhn
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:50:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.220827.5351@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>So, how was that about Modern Psychology ....?

I believe that it was "Modern Psychology from america/europe"  Not to
belittle Argentina...

Anyway, proving that someone still believes Freud is not the same as
proving that Freud is "generally accepted".  I can come up with references
for people writing heliocentric astronomy articles in the last decade...



FWA
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