HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: RADIAL KERATOTOMY
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:50:47 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <16856D197.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:
>>3. What are the side-effects if any ?
> 
>If surgery is successful, none.

"Success" in RK means only that refractive error is within a rather
large epsilon of zero, not that there are no ocular glitches, which
are in fact rather routine but will become less noticable over
time.  There are risks associated with any surgery.  My father, an
ophthalmologist, chooses not to perform RK because he finds it an
unconscionable thing to do to a correctable eye.  (He also finds
cosmetic surgery medically distasteful, so your mileage may vary...)

>**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jnynge@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: stroke
Reply-To: jnynge@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:45:49 GMT

A childhood friend who is now 40 recently had a stroke.  His left side
was affected and his arm is without much movement.  He is able to
walk a little with a brace and walker.  He is not able to speak.  
  I really know very little about stroke rehab.  It seems
 that for limbs, physical therapy can have a big impact but what
can be done if the person is unable to speak?
   This man has 3 small children and a very close knit family who
are just devastated by this.  I think I'm looking for hope to convey
to them.
             Thanks,
                  Jeanne
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: APOLOGY
Keywords: ineffective   empirical research
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:50:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep13.055008.12625
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep13.025505.12673@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:
>Thank you for this clarification, Sean.  In light of these remarks, I
>realize that probably what Dr Wurtman meant above is that no research
>has been done on Hydergine.  I incorrectly interpreted his statement to
>mean that clinical trials had been done and the claimed benefit had
>failed to manifest itself in a statistically significant way.

I am quite sure that Wurtman didn't mean what you're reinterpreting him
to mean.  There is almost too much evidence that Hydergine is ineffective
in Alzheimers' and other dementias.  One of the most recent demonstrated that
it actually caused a _decline_ in cognitive scores.  All of the previous
work which showed that there was some value to this stuff was really incredibly
poor work (at least by today's standards--I'm not saying that was malfeasance
involved.)  Uncontrolled studies, inadequate or poorly defined selection and
improvement criteria, and so on.  But this was not at all uncommon in the
late 50's and early 60's.



-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: \*\* Lyme Discussion Group? \*\*
Organization: Equator Technologies, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:48:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.025859.228197@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes:
>Lyme disease diagnosis and treatment are two of the most hotly debated medical
>issues today (just take a look at the latest posts on the subject).
>
>It is the fastest growing infectious disease in the US, second only to AIDS.
>If AIDS has its  SCI.MED.AIDS  usenet board, why can't Lyme have a
>SCI.MED.LYME  discussion group?
>Anybody interested?

I am.  I think this is a great idea.

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John Setel O'Donnell                      jod@equator.com
Equator Technologies, Inc.                206-328-6544 voice/fax
Seattle, WA                               Read everything by Alice Miller.
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.120146.18318@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>"There was a strikingly high percentage of very obese women (>50%
>overweight) in the USA (8% or the population) as compared to the
>two European countries (2% in France and 3% in the UK)."
>
>The study did not find any link between egg or meat consumption and obesity.
>
>As mentioned previously, fat consumption is higher in France
>than in the US, slightly lower in the UK.
>
>Carbohydrate consumption is much higher in the US.

Are we comparing apples and oranges again?  Is carbo consumption higher
in the US for the general population or is it higher for very obese women?

Also, I'd really appreciate an address for the Journal you've mentioned.
 
Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:24:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


As a further followup to my latest reply to Mark Kline, I posted the
details of the headache cure a few messages ago, and Kline shows
evidence of having read that message.

If he did, and he knows the slightest thing about NLP, as he attempts
to convince us, he would know that the headache cure is a submodalities
cure, not an anchoring cure (as he claims). There's no anchoring at
all in the description I posted.

Theus I'm forced to reject out of hand Kline's claim to know what
he is talking about.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Dan Ganek)
Subject: Wen - Treatment thereof
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:54:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords:  wen


What's the conventional treatment for a 5-10 yo half-dollar
size wen?  It's in an inconspicuous place under my arm.

Nothing?

/dan ganek
ganek@apollo.hp.com
From: gaillb@brt.deakin.edu.au
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: hl7 and medix
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:57:03 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Melbourne

Can anyone please let me know where to find information on
MEDIX and HL7

Reply to be send to :
chuac@brt.deakin.edu.au
From: jqtaylor@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (John Quill Taylor)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:23:54 GMT
Subject: Chronic Pain & Acupuncture
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: sci.med


After twenty years of on-and-off (mostly on) pain, I am still searching
for relief. I have been diagnosed with many things over the years - the
latest is migraine. I've tried many of the new drugs (and many of the old
ones) ; I even had a c5/6 laminotomy in May, which did not help. The only
thing that helps is acupuncture 2 or 3 times a week, but the relief is
short-lived. So... I am looking for two things: 1) an accurate diagnosis
that might lead to a cure, or 2) an acupuncturist that might give me more
relief. 

If anyone who has had successful acupuncture treatment for headaches,
neuralgia (facial), migraine, etc, could you please write and give me the
name of the doctor and clinic. Also, since I've been "away" for 4 months,
is there any place on the net I might read more relevant information
about Eastern Medicine? 
                        jqtaylor@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Politics and sci.med (was: unc health care study)
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:41:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep10.144132.27838
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <natndhj.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>Sean McLinden repeats, then responds to a post of mine about Gordon
>Banks that I cancelled many hours ago. I decided that given Banks'
>other messages and his fine contributions, my response to one of his
>infrequent intemperate messages was probably unnecessary escalation.

Where do the GET jerks like this?  Oh, sorry, Jody, I'm guilty of
a "kneejerk", "misaimed" reaction.  Right.  Gordon, will you please
insult this moron so he'll stop trying to ingratiate himself with
you?  It's nauseating.

>I find McLinden's post offensive since he previously sent it to me via
>mail and I told him I had cancelled my post. In effect, by quoting my
>cancelled post in his, he is inflaming the discussion gratuitously
>while already knowing my post was cancelled.

Who cares?  Didn't you say you were out of here?

>I've told the few others who mailed me just before I cancelled the
>post that I did so, and why. The post was active on the net for about
>10 minutes.  They had the good grace to drop the matter there, but
>apparently not McLinden.

Fool.

>I apologize to Banks for McLinden's rude behavior to the extent that
>McLinden's quoting of a cancelled post of mine gave offense.

Twit.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: stephan@kub.nl 
Subject: strange pattern
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 12:15:56 GMT
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands
Reply-To: stephan@kub.nl

Hi everybody,

I have a strange pattern of complaints
I hope anyone is able to identify.

The (alleged) pattern takes four months in time.

It all started (in a rather stressed period)
with a nocturnal hyperventilation-like
collapse (incl. fainting) after I got up
to blow my nose one night (I had a flue). A few weeks
later, I noticed a strange numbness in my right thumb,
kinda like someone pinched me in the nail. I also
had some 'electric shocks' when I lifted a tea cup
or something. I fell into an annoying cycle
of worrying about my health and I developed
muscular complaints (stiffness) in neck and shoulders,
which have disappeared after some therapy.

The last few days, I seem to notice a certain
laziness in right hand and both arms, like after
heavy strain. Also, the optics store
noticed that eye pressure in my left eye
is higher than in the right eye, and last week
I had a headache when bending my head forward
and backward, also affecting the neck, feeling like
fluid ran to and fro. I *don't* have any
*equilibrium* (?) disturbances: still 
can touch my nose with eyes closed, stand on one leg
etc.

Anyone has/had similar complaints (it may not be a
pattern after all?) Could these all be
hyperventilation complaints? 

Please reply personally & many thanks in advance.

---
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From: jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: CFIDS and Lyme
Organization: Equator Technologies, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:38:18 GMT

>
>Do the Lyme ticks live on Iceland?  On the Shetland Islands?  I'll
>bet not.  
>

Very probably.  There are papers in the Scandinavian medical literature
documenting the "Lyme rash" (erythema chronicum migrans) and the 
neurological effects of Lyme as far back as 1907.

Lyme appears to be quite long-established and widespread throughout
Europe.  The strain there is reported to often have more neurological
and fewer musculoskeletal manifestations.

It's unlikely that ixodes dammini lives in Iceland or the Shetland
Islands.  The standard take is that in the Western US it's ixodes
scapularis, and in Euope it's ixodes ricinus.  However, a wide variety
of insect vectors are emerging.  Feir and Reppel in a survey paper
(Missouri Academy of Science, OP#8, 1990) report: "The sprichetes
causing Lyme disease have been identified in numerous arthropods and
other animals: deer tick, brown dog tick, lone star tick, American doc
tick, black-legged tick (i.  scapularis), Western black-legged tick,
rodent flea, bot fly, cat flea, horse flies, deer flies, several
mosquito species,..."  Similar results are discussed in a report
by the Texas Department of Health, "Zoonosis Update", 5/90.

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John Setel O'Donnell                      jod@equator.com
Equator Technologies, Inc.                206-328-6544 voice/fax
Seattle, WA                               Read everything by Alice Miller.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:40:31 GMT


Steve, I'm afraid you're quite wrong about the facts here.

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

| Tryptophan is off the market because of its association with EMS, that's all.
| It has nothing to do with Prozac or any other drug.  Sheesh.

(I never said it was for that reason, I said it would be ridiculous if
it were.  Your "sheesh" suggests you agree.)

hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:

| Since it seems that EMS was caused not by tryptophan, but by a contaminant,
| and since that contaminant is now tested for, why is it still off the market?

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

| Because, we don't know for sure it was caused by the contaminant, nor is the
| contamination situation as cut and dried as it's sometimes described to be.
| It may well be that high dose tryptophan taken as a single entity (i.e.,
| not as part of your food) can cause EMS in susceptible individuals.

There is no doubt that it's the contaminant, not the tryptophan, causing
EMS.  I've followed the literature very closely since the beginning
on this one.  I've also followed other sources, but I base my certainty
on journal articles.

NIH researchers can cause EMS in rats every time with the contaminant
and they can't cause it at all with even ridiculous doses of tryptophan.
There's no scientific mystery about it -- only a bureaucratic one.

Even before this confirming, reproducible  evidence, the epidemiology made
it pretty obvious that the problem was caused by a contaminant.  And I'm
aware of no other country where tryptophan is controlled as a prescription
drug that has pulled the stuff from the market, either.

Now, before it was known what was happening, people were DYING of EMS.
I have no problem with the FDA pulling a product off the market when
it's making people sick and killing them.

But that's all over now.  Frankly, once contaminated tryptophan was
discovered, the scientific mystery was not a difficult one to solve.

All that remains now is FDA inaction.

Doctors still can't even prescribe the stuff in the US for heaven's sake!

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 

"You can put lipstick on a hog, and call it 'Monique', but it's still a pig."

-- Ann Richards, the wildly popular, Harley Riding Governor of Texas
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: CFIDS and Lyme
Organization: Equator Technologies, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:04:37 GMT

>
>... I critized the few doctors who are making megabugs
>swindling people and you respond with a personal diatribe
>somehow insinuating that I am part of some group opposed to
>research and also responsible for personally screwing you.
>

We seem to keep miscommunicating.  Perhaps it's that we have different
primary concerns.

My primary concern is that Lyme is being grossly underdiagnosed,
undertreated, and underfunded.  IMHO a few well-known physicians have
substantially contributed to the first two of these problems, and
ignorance and apathy about the extent and impact of the disease has
exacerbated all three.

Your primary concern seems to be that a few doctors are "making
megabucks" off patients' fears.

The discussion seems to keep going round and round.  I feel that my
concerns are trivialized or ignored by the responses I receive about
these mythic "Lyme doctors."  Who are they?  How many of them are you
concerned about?  

While there may be some unscrupulous guys out there, there are
thousands and thousands of people getting improper treatment and going
on to late-stage, incurable Lyme.  Most doctors do not have proper
treatment protocols or orientation about frequency because of the sad
state of research.  Less than $8M was spent on Lyme research last
year, the majority of it on studies with no relevance to treatment.

This is a medical and political issue.  While I can't be cured with
present knowledge, many people could be spared getting into my state
with better information.  That's why I've been posting here and why I
believe it's right to do so.
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John Setel O'Donnell                      jod@equator.com
Equator Technologies, Inc.                206-328-6544 voice/fax
Seattle, WA                               Read everything by Alice Miller.
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:10:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Eric Zorilla says that the therapy should not only be helpful to
patients, but be more helpful than a placebo. I agree.

Zorilla rejects the need for a credible theoretical underpinning as an
ancillary requirement. I don't agree. Without such a basis, one is
simply kicking the TV set to fix it, and may get lucky, or may damage
it further.  Moreover, one is blind with respect to refining and
focussing one's therapeutic techniques. Sounds like an argument for
random drugging or lobotomizing patients.

Finally, he disputes the efficacy of NLP. From what I've seen and
heard, he is simply mistaken on this point, and I'd like to know
more about his evidence for this contention.

David
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re; Xanax
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 22:00:36 EDT

In article <1992Sep4.185731.8543@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>Psychiatric patients are given drugs to mask or numb the effects of
>old traumas -- overwhelmingly, parental abuse, abandonment, or
>enmeshment.  Giving the drugs allows everyone to avoid noticing or
>confronting this reality.   

	Right.  Its a conspiracy.  What a bunch of baloney.
	
>I mentioned in my first posting on this subject that there seemed to
>be a lot of ad-hominem attacks on anyone holding the views I've put
>forth.  My experience since has confirmed this.  Why can this
>discussion not be conducted without ridicule?  

Perhaps your point of view is ridiculous.  Your point of view
has nothing to support it but opinions.  Empirical evidence,
clinical experience, and common sense all weigh in a different
direction.

Childhood trauma and repressed emotions simply are not the sole cause
of all mental illness or even all psychological maladjustment.  Data
supporting your contention that "empathic psychotherapy" is the
cure-all for mental illness is totally lacking, no matter what Alice
Miller or you may think.  Peter Breggin is entitled to his opinions
too, even if his book is full of lies.  If you are going to convince
anybody to your way of thinking, aside from the terminally gullible,
you're going to have to cite something a little more heavyweight than a
demogogue like Peter Breggin.  How about L. Ron Hubbard, founder of
Scientology?  His views were similar, and he convinced some people? :)

Perhaps there are people tuned into sci.psychology or alt.abuse.recovery
who share your point of view but I'm not sure this "discussion" 
really belongs in sci.med.


--
================================================================= 
mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:55:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep14.172148.24778@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, do amino acids contribute calories to the
>diet the way protein does?

Yep.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: bhjelle%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Dealing with "HIV doesn't cause AIDS" people.
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6182
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.111828.29918@cs.ucla.edu> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.000720.29209@cs.ucla.edu> downey%homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>
>>4)   I think it is presumptuous of you to call AIDS in the absence of HIV
>>     "a red herring."  It is at least worthy of consideration, regardless
>>     of your confidence in the HIV-AIDS hypothesis.
>
>Of course it's worthy of consideration.  However, I think what you will
>find is that these individuals' presentations are indicative of an
>immune deficiency, but one which is not identical to HIV infection.
>Of course they shouldn't be ignored, but there isn't any data from
>these reports which would begin to shake anyone's faith in the role of
>HIV in producing AIDS.

This also brings us into the realm of semantics. When most people
think of AIDS, they think of an (1) epidemic disease involving
gay men, IDU, etc, that (2) has clustered among those who have
had contact with one another, and (3) has transmission risks
that are characteristic of a bloodborne, sexually-transmitted
agent with long latency. What AIDS is *not* is "any immunodeficiency
that we don't understand".

The "new" disease has none of those characteristics. It appears
to be (1) old, non-epidemic, with many victims who have minimal
exposure to blood or STDs; (2) no clustering; (3) no identified
transmission risks; no evidence for latency of any kind.

So at best we will come out of this knowing a new cause of
immunodeficiency, but not a cause of AIDS as commonly under-
stood.

>>5)    My advice for dealing with people who don't believe the HIV-AIDS
>>      hypothesis is the same as my advice for dealing with people who do:
>>      evaluate what they say skeptically, think for yourself, try to find
>>      the purest data you can (raw numbers, not someone's interpretation
>>      of someone's interpretation of someone's...  you get the idea).
>
>Except that this isn't an academic exercise.  People are being
>misled by such irresponsible, sensational disinformation.  This
>can lead to behavior which can risk their own lives and the lives
>of others.
>
Yes, there are people acting upon Duesberg's "theory" and putting
themselves at risk as a result. Duesberg's ideas are not being
boycotted out of malice but because they are so laughably
wrong. I say this as someone who took Duesberg's graduate
animal virology course at Berkeley in the late 1970s, and
as someone who respects his contributions to retrovirology.

Brian
From: bhjelle%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
Subject: Re: Dealing with "HIV doesn't cause AIDS" people.
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:01:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6178

In article <1992Sep12.000720.29209@cs.ucla.edu> downey%homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>
>
>3)   By "all the criteria" for being an causative infectious agent, I
>     assume you are referring to Koch's postulates, which the HIV-AIDS
>     hypothesis does NOT satisfy.  For a well-balanced discussion of this
>     point, I would recommend the following:

The hardest of Koch's requirements to satisfy is that HIV-negative
people be given HIV and observed for development of AIDS. Since we
can't do that, we can instead observe that those who contract
HIV (and, as far as we can tell, HIV alone) by a minimal exposure
like a needlestick still come down with AIDS. We can also inject
naive monkeys with molecularly cloned SIV (a close relative of
HIV) and note that they come down with AIDS. So I think it
is arguable that Koch's postulates have been satisfied
for HIV (or at least SIV). I suppose Duesberg would prefer to
complain about some new aspect of the monkey's lifestyle that
is a more logical explanation for simian AIDS. :-)

>
Brian
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