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From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: Re: Usage of fj.life.in-japan
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:21:07 GMT

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In article <1692@cbsws1.cbs.canon.co.jp> hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp
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From: inagaki@aclab1.resrch.anritsu.co.jp (Shintaro Inagaki)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: fj.life.in-japan (English/Japanese)
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:30:02 GMT
Followup-To: fj.life.in-japan
Distribution: fj
Organization: Research Lab., Anritsu Corp., Atsugi-shi, JAPAN
In-reply-to: ogata@etl.go.jp's message of 8 Jan 93 02:48:29 GMT

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In article <1993Jan8.024829.6030@etl.go.jp> ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata) writes:
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(English Version of this post)
Excuse me, but can I express my idea, Mr Ogata.
You said you are too busy to help voulunteer translation of articles
in fj.life.in-japan, but one can contribute with what one has.
Your g2j was too beautiful a tool to encourage intercaltural communication
in the net that I wonder you may provide another computational help
to the translation.  For example you may be able to input English
articles into a machine translator in ETL and give the output to
the original author when he is elaborating in translation.
Just an idea; sorry to bother you.

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From: nishidai@zoo.ncl.omron.co.jp (Hajime NISHIDAI)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: English Words in Japanese [ENGLISH]
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:52:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: OMRON Co., Kyoto, 617 Japan.



From article <3651@aegis.or.jp>
	by barker@aegis.or.jp (Mike Barker)
> e'tch - lustful.  seems to be a pronounciation of H.  Don't know how
>     this was derived (maybe WW2 slang?)

 I belive that 'H' is derived from the Japanese word, "HA_REN_CHI".
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"HA_REN_CHI" means the "shameful behavior" in general (old) expression.
But now it is hardly used in speaking words, and only "H"(= lustful)
remains. 
( I'm not sure on what 'lustful' means, but I feel that 'H' is carrying
more 'handy' meaning than that is found for 'lustful' in dictionary.)

## I have a 'H' character in my first name.  So sometimes I hated this
##expression in my childhood.
##  ---- A small child is likely to mind 'small' facts...... (^^)

> ningen dock - one or two day physical checkup.  ningen is human, and
>     dock is usually identified as English.  may derive from slang? 
>     (going to the doc'?)  may also derive from drydock?
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^
  I agree with 'drydock' . 
The drydock can be said that it is just like as HOSPITAL for ships !

---
  'H'ajime Nishidai @ omron,Kyoto
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From: inagaki@aclab1.resrch.anritsu.co.jp (Shintaro Inagaki)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: English Words in Japanese [ENGLISH]
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:01:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Research Lab., Anritsu Corp., Atsugi-shi, JAPAN
In-reply-to: barker@aegis.or.jp's message of 12 Jan 93 04:47:26 GMT

In article <3662@aegis.or.jp> barker@aegis.or.jp (Mike Barker) writes:
    >>
    >>BTW - I have gairai-go dictionaries, vocabulary lists, and so forth.
    >>But (a) nothing I've seen focuses on just the words whose meanings differ
    >>
	No doubt, Mike.  In fact, I am really looking forward to seeing
	the FAQ you are developing; that will reduce so many misunderstanding
	based on ambiguous loan words.  You will contribute intercaltural
	communication.  Good luck.
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From: hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp (Manami Hatano)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: Usage of fj.life.in-japan
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:28:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Information Systems Technology Development Center, Canon Inc., Tokyo, JAPAN

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From: hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp (Manami Hatano)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: Usage of fj.life.in-japan
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:03:30 GMT
	<1693@cbsws1.cbs.canon.co.jp> <1993Jan11.073500.9459@etl.go.jp>
Distribution: fj
Organization: Information Systems Technology Development Center, Canon Inc., Tokyo, JAPAN

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In article <1993Jan11.073500.9459@etl.go.jp>
	ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata) writes:
>In article <1693@cbsws1.cbs.canon.co.jp> hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp
>(Manami Hatano) writes:
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From: hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp (Manami Hatano)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Usage of fj.life.in-japan
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:48:28 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Canon Inc., Tokyo, JAPAN

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: English Words in Japanese [ENGLISH]
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:52:17 GMT
Distribution: fj

yuki@sofia.ksp.fujixerox.co.jp (Hideyuki Ozaki) writes:

>In article <3651@aegis.or.jp> barker@aegis.or.jp (Mike Barker) writes:

>  ||OL, grutamein, castella, ningen dock - I've been told that each of these
>  ||is English, and asked why I don't understand them.  And in time, with
>  ||the use of dictionary and thought, I've managed to figure them out
>  ||(except for ningen dock - I know what it is, but how it derives from
>  ||English is still a puzzle to me).

>Sounds like what you're talking about is "Gairai-go" or "words that
>are derived from foreign origin".  Those are usually written in
>Katakana.  There are also totally mis-used foreign words (usually
>derived from English) that are known as Japanglish or Janglish.

IMO, gairai-go are best treated as Japanese because in many cases
the meaning has changed. The trouble is that many native speakers of
Japanese think they are "foreign words" not "words that are derived
from foreign origin" ... so when they say the (now Japanese) words,
they think they are speaking the foreign word. Not so.

>  ||So, if possible, please send me your favorite words.  Include a little
>  ||explanation if possible, so I don't have to puzzle it out.  You can mail
>  ||them directly to me or post to the list, whichever you prefer.  If you
>  ||don't know what the meaning is, go ahead and send it anyway - we can
>  ||be puzzled together.

>Let me see if I could think of some...
....

There are dictionaries of loan words (gairai-go) which list maybe 5,000! ! !

Dave

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From: barker@aegis.or.jp (Mike Barker)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: English Words in Japanese [ENGLISH]
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:16:10 GMT
Reply-To: barker@aegis.or.jp (Mike Barker)
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Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

OL, grutamein, castella, ningen dock - I've been told that each of these
is English, and asked why I don't understand them.  And in time, with
the use of dictionary and thought, I've managed to figure them out
(except for ningen dock - I know what it is, but how it derives from
English is still a puzzle to me).

During the six plus years I've been living in Japan, I know I've
stumbled over more words like this, but I don't remember them now. 
However, I'm interested in collecting your favorites - the Japanese
words that people tell you are English, except you don't recognize them.
The problem sometimes is pronounciation, (like makadonarudo) and I'm
interested in those.  But I'm even more interested in the words that
have a different meaning when used in Japan, or that only have meaning
in Japan.  For example, OL (office lady) is clearly English, but the
position and use is uniquely Japanese.

So, if possible, please send me your favorite words.  Include a little
explanation if possible, so I don't have to puzzle it out.  You can mail
them directly to me or post to the list, whichever you prefer.  If you
don't know what the meaning is, go ahead and send it anyway - we can
be puzzled together.

Examples of what I'm hoping for:

castella - a popular sponge cake.  word is portuguese, although many
    people think it is English.

e'tch - lustful.  seems to be a pronounciation of H.  Don't know how
    this was derived (maybe WW2 slang?)

grutamein - originally explained as "japanese spice".  actually,
    monosodium glutamate.

makadonarudo - famous American restaurant. McDonald's.

ningen dock - one or two day physical checkup.  ningen is human, and
    dock is usually identified as English.  may derive from slang? 
    (going to the doc'?)  may also derive from drydock?

OL - office lady.  young woman, usually assigned to a ka, who's duties
    seem to include filing and bringing tea, mainly.  NOT a secretary.
    (no easy match in American English)

i.e. put down a reasonable version of the pronounciation, the Japanese
meaning, and the American meaning (if any).

Incidentally, I'm NOT writing a book or column, nor am I a translator,
I'm just intrigued by these odd transplanted words and their inventive
meanings.  Call it a hobby, and I hope I can catch lots of these
butterflies for my collection.  Yes, I will post a summary to this list
when appropriate.

Thanks
mike
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From: yuki@sofia.ksp.fujixerox.co.jp (Hideyuki Ozaki)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: English Words in Japanese [ENGLISH]
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:27:14 GMT
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Organization: Fuji Xerox Co. Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: barker@aegis.or.jp's message of 11 Jan 93 08:16:10 GMT

Hi,

In article <3651@aegis.or.jp> barker@aegis.or.jp (Mike Barker) writes:

  ||OL, grutamein, castella, ningen dock - I've been told that each of these
  ||is English, and asked why I don't understand them.  And in time, with
  ||the use of dictionary and thought, I've managed to figure them out
  ||(except for ningen dock - I know what it is, but how it derives from
  ||English is still a puzzle to me).

Sounds like what you're talking about is "Gairai-go" or "words that
are derived from foreign origin".  Those are usually written in
Katakana.  There are also totally mis-used foreign words (usually
derived from English) that are known as Japanglish or Janglish.

  ||So, if possible, please send me your favorite words.  Include a little
  ||explanation if possible, so I don't have to puzzle it out.  You can mail
  ||them directly to me or post to the list, whichever you prefer.  If you
  ||don't know what the meaning is, go ahead and send it anyway - we can
  ||be puzzled together.

Let me see if I could think of some...

How about these:
airon - an iron.  used to press clothes.

aian - an iron-made golf club.

mishin - a sawing machine.

hotchkiss - a stapler.  I don't know where this one is came from, but
	many people believe that this is an English word.

pasocom - a PC.  short form for Personal Computer.

handoru - a steering wheel.  sounds like this one is derived from the
	word handle, though.

pan - bread.  this word is derived from portuguese, I believe.

pantsu - (usually means) briefs.  not a pair of pants (this is called
	zubon).

waishatsu (Y-shatsu) - (originally means) a white shirt.  but there are
	'waishatsu's with various colors :-).

Well, that's about it.

BTW,
  ||makadonarudo - famous American restaurant. McDonald's.

this one is pronounced like "makudonarudo", isn't it?

  ||ningen dock - one or two day physical checkup.  ningen is human, and
  ||	dock is usually identified as English.  may derive from slang? 
  ||	(going to the doc'?)  may also derive from drydock?

I don't know the word drydock, but I believe this word is derived from
the word "dock" for ship, where ships are checked and maintained.

My 2-yen worth :-).

//Yuki Ozaki
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From: kenji@rcac.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
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Subject: Re: Usage of fj.life.in-japan
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:23:42 GMT
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In-reply-to: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp's message of 11 Jan 93 02:33:28 GMT

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: Let's use Chinese Text (Re: Please STOP using Chinese Text!)
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:33:40 GMT

inagaki@aclab1.resrch.anritsu.co.jp (Shintaro Inagaki) writes:

>In article <2934694451.0.p00200@psilink.com> p00200@psilink.com (John R Kennedy) writes:
>    >>>           font  =======> $@;zBN(J 
>    >>Apparently, this is some kind of method for encode kanji in ASCII.  The
>    >>first character of each of the funny strings is an ESC which doesn't do
>    >>anything special on my computer.  Are you guys using some kind of Japanese
>    >>ANSI-type system?  I am running DOS/V (Japanese DOS) if that helps.

>	FAQ in soc.culture.japan (look below) might help.

Especially if it was included :-) But since it was not, let me have
a try. 

Assuming that all the characters are there, I think what you are
seeing is the escape codes for JIS encoded kanji and DOS/V runs in
SHIFT-JIS so you don't get the kanji. 

Here are a couple of samples:

JIS

$@I\(J - fu
$@D9(J - chou  
$@2,(J - oka
$@;T(J - shi
$@:#N$(J - imazato
$@Fn(J - minami
$@J?Hx(J - hirao

SHIFT-JIS

{ - fu
$@7 (J- chou  
	$@* (J- oka
s - shi
$@!" (J- imazato
$@l (J- minami
$@=v (J- hirao

If all the escape characters for JIS and the high-order characters
for SHIFT-JIS came through and your DOS/V is in Japanese mode you
should be able to see the kanji for the SHIFT-JIS. To see the kanji
for the JIS you will need to convert it to SHIFT-JIS. 

I use HTERM which does this on the fly: incoming JIS -> SHIFT-JIS
and outgoing SHIFT-JIS -> JIS. 

Hope that helps,

Dave

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Dave McLane 
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Coup d'etat in fj.life.in-japan??
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:20:03 GMT


Hey! I just came back from my vacation, and I'm surprised that 
there are still people not happy with the creation of fj.life.in-japan...
Why don't those people do a group for their OWN interests?.... Mattaku..

Akemashite Omedetou !

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