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From: gsfm@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Seymour Morris)
Subject: Re: QUESTION
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:45:23 GMT

In article <92353.095231IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> World Leader <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>why is 50% of the female population of upstate NY
>named either JENNIFER or SUE?
>
>And why have you people adopted the Japanese custom
>of removing your shoes at the door?
>
>---Andi
IT IS FROM ALL THE SHIT STUCK TO OUR BOOTS.

FROM THE BEAUTIFUL VILLAGE OF CLINTON,
Len Popyack , WF2V (Wife's name Sue)


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From: bmoss@ejv.com (Brian Moss)
Subject: Union College - Nott
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:43:15 EST
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No the Nott has not fallen down yet!!! However,they have stopped letting people use it anymore.  They have formed a save the Nott fund, and have raised a condiderable amount of moeny (I think about $10MM or so).  Their goal is to fix it up for the Bi-Centennial.

Brian
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:00:40 GMT

: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> (I wrote_

>WHY NOT A GROUP LIMITED TO NEW YORK STATE, FOR INSTANCE NY.UPSTATE?
>
>There are many displaced people from Upstate New York (UNY), particularly  
>regions that were hard hit during the early 1980s recession.

:Many people who don't live in New England are interested in les/bi/gay
:activities in that region, but that doesn't stop either the newsgroup
:being named ne.motss rather than something like alt.motss.new-england.
:Neither does it prevent people outside New England from reading it.

Don't you think that a regional motss-specific group is a bit _too_ specific?   
It's like creating an rec.crafts.new-england or a rec.radio.amateur.new-england  
group.  There are no objections to alt.great-lakes, alt.appalachian,  
alt.culture.oregon and alt.culture.alaska,  so why is there such a fuss about  
alt.culture.ny-upstate?  

If you want to talk about gay issues that are specific to Upstate New York in  
this group (i.e. clubs, politics, activities, neighborhoods, etc.), I'm sure  
few would object.  If you talk about general motss topics, it would not be in  
keeping with this newsgroup's intent. 

>Ny.* groups cannot be received outside  
>New York State.   

:As long as there is some site willing to give you a feed, any group
:can be received outside of its "local" region.  

Yeah, right ... "Oh Mister maintainer-of-the-newssite on this computer in NEW  
MEXICO, can you carry the ny.* groups too?"   

: ____ Tim Pierce                / 
: \  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
:  \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 


Nost of the people who flamed me for initially creating this group had the  
triangle in their sig.  I know this is a coincidence, but the group is  
alt.culture.ny-upstate, not alt.culture.ny-upstate-hetero.  Why the flames from  
the gay community for making this newsgroup?

Anyhow, the group is here, and people are using it (and enjoying it, from the  
support that has been received).

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From: tgordon@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gordon,theodore d)
Subject: 3 topics in one!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:11:02 GMT



Hi!

Here's an efficient article. Three topics in one.
1. Regarding Upstate boundaries... Someone recently posted
to the effect of not being from Upstate, but Western NY. 
Why not both?  I spent most of my childhood in Oneida
and always feel that it is Upstate and Central NY simultaneously.
(As an aside, I loathe the marketing push of the "Leatherstocking
Region".) I never think of the area between Albany and NYC as
Upstate, it always seemed like a distinct area of its own,
loosely referred to as the Hudson River Valley.
Now that I live in NJ I always qualify my origin as Upstate.

2. As far as NY = NYC: we had an exchange student from Finland
a couple of years ago.  Her impressions of NY (in fact all of
the US) were derived mostly from movies; and of those she
really likes the action/cop type.  She had a vague idea that
NYC = USA! Driving through parts of Pennsylvania with its beautiful
farms, hills, etc., she said she was surprised to see trees.
She, and her friends thought they had all been killed by acid rain.

3. As far as the discussion of Upstate beers - I found a mint set
of Schultz and Dooley bar lights (boxed, new) in the attic
of the house we moved into here in NJ.
Do they call up any memories for anybody?

Bye,
Ted "wishing-one-could-earn-a-living-in-Central-NY" Gordon
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: gsfm@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Seymour Morris)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:48:10 GMT

In article <4215@eastman.UUCP> gerwitz@Kodak.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.010836.8830@netcom.com>, tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:
>|> What's the place name in Upstate NY which is hardest to pronounce?  Well,
>|> not to pronounce, but to figure out the proper upstate pronunciation from
>|> the spelling?  There seem to be a lot of them.  You can start with
>|> Conesus and Honeoye, but there's tons more!
>|> 
>
>Seeing as I live in Rochester, i'll start with the popular
>mis-pronunciations from this area
>
>Chili   (ch-I-LI)  not (chill-EE)
>Charlotte (shar-lot) not (shar-lit)
>
>Since I'm origonally from the Niagara County city of Lockport, I was always
>fascinated by the abundance of names that derive from the Iroquois etc
>(Excuse the spelling....)
>
>
>  Tonawanda, Lackawanna, Cheektowaga (town/villages in Erie County) 
>  Chatauqua (a lake and county in southwest) 
      ^----
            spelled Chautauqua

(I am from Jamestown ,NY.  Anyone here from southwest NY?)


>  Scajaquida (an expressway in Buffalo)
>
>
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From: R. Sean Johnston <johnsto@gaul.csd.uwo.ca>
Subject: Just wanted to join in...
Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:39:18 GMT
To: alt.culture.ny-upstate@newshost.uwo.ca

Hi all, just wanted to add my two cents worth (or there abouts).  I am 
from the other side of the St. Lawerence River - Prescott Ont.  The bridge
is 2miles from my door.
Im really glad to read a group that deals with an area so close to home.
Some of my best younger days (and visits home) have (are) spent accorss
the 'pond' in Ogdensburg.
Just curious if anyone else on my side of the bridge is taking part in
this group?

Later,
Sean. (no sig! - no time!)

Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-bashing...)
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:09:50 GMT

In article auFkwB2w165w@netlink.cts.com, rcf@netlink.cts.com writes:
.
.
.

>of evil in the world (NYC being, of course, the source of *all* evil in 
>the world).  
.
.
.
>bit [despite Buffalo's posturing over chicken wings]).  I must say, it's 
>nice to run into other people who find NYC an abomination. 
.
.
.

As someone who has lived in upstate (by some definitions) NY (Rochester and
(currently) Dutchess County), as well as in the midwest (Michigan, Wisconsin,
Missouri) I have to say this kind of NYC-bashing is tiresome. Many people
in St. Louis would share the sentiments of the writer above; one once told
me "never been there, never wanted to go." And still he trashed it.

NYC has severe problems, no doubt about it. It also has more to offer than
any city on the planet. I don't usually flame, but in my experience, people
who bash NYC have either never been there or are ignorant, racist, or have a psychological problem of some sort.

Can we give this tedious vitriol a rest?


Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: don@muff.webo.dg.com (Don Perkins)
Subject: Re: NEW YORK CITY!!!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:48:04 GMT
Reply-To: don@muff.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.

In article <1992Dec17.163734.8962@athena.mit.edu>, rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani) writes:
|> 
|> There's really no place like New York City. I moved to Boston this September,
|> and dicovered that there's _no_ night life here. The trains and busses stop
|> running at 1 am, and you have to be 21 to get into anything... I want to
|> move back!

     PLEASE DO!

|> 
|> Rajiv

--
Don P.
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From: jimp@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Powell)
Subject: Re: Best wings in Buffalo ...
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:43:16 GMT

Dan Tasman (dtasman@NMSU.edu) wrote:
: What's the net's opinion on the best chicken wings in Buffalo?  This is my  
: personal list, but I'd like to know if there's any other "undiscovered" places  
: to get some first class chicken wings.

: 1)	Anchor Bar, Main Street, Buffalo/Downtown (the original)
: 2)	Duffs, Sheridan Drive, Amherst
: 3)	Gabriel's Gate, Allen Street, Buffalo/Allentown
: 4)	Jimmy J's, Bailey Avenue, Buffalo/Kensington
: 5)	La Nova (BBQ wings), Grant Street, Buffalo/West Side

: I've noticed the following characteristics about good chicken wing availbility  
: ..

: *	The best wings are in Buffalo proper, and they get progresively  
: 	"cooler" as you get further into the suburbs (with some exceptions).
: *	Wings get smaller as you get further from Buffalo.  Although the size  
: 	does not decrease much in UNY or Southern Ontario, there is a drastic  
: 	drop in size when you leave New York State or the "Golden Horseshoe"  
: 	area in Ontario.
: *	It seems like _everyplace_ in Buffalo that serves food serves wings,  
: 	probably Lord Chumley's, the Park Lane and Dandelion's too ...	
: *	Some places withut a clue have _breaded_ chicken wings.  This would be  
: 	a sin in Buffalo.
: *	Some places that _really_ don't have a clue leave the tips on.  Again,  
: 	something that is located outside the home turf of the wing.
: *	Just like naming "Canadian bacon", chicken wings are called chicken  
: 	wings in Buffalo.  Outside the region, they're called "Buffalo wings".
: *	Forget celery, bleu cheese or a _proper_ wood bowl outside UNY/So.  
: 	Ontario.

: --
:    Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
:                                                      molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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:     Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
:                                                                 Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: loffredd@vega.cs.rpi.edu (Dave Loffredo)
Subject: Re: Best wings in the Capdist
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
	<Dec.27.18.31.15.1992.10808@busboys.rutgers.edu>
	<GOLDM.92Dec28161550@rebecca.rpi.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:39:02 GMT


>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:15:50 GMT, goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold) said:

Mitch> The best wings in the capdist that I've found (meaty, spicy,
Mitch> tasty) are at the Ale House on River St, north of Hoosick, in
Mitch> Troy. They've been voted the best by the local happenings paper
Mitch> and one or two of the local radio stations.

Yea, they rank among the best wings I've found here in the capital
district, but the Ale House is like any of a dozen little gin mills in
North Tonnawanda.  Having spent my first 22 years in the Nickel City,
I can say with great authority that I've never had anything to match
the wings at Duff's or the Anchor Bar ... God, I miss that town!

						- Dave
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:48:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: What the heck is "Upstate"?
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:47:45 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

     I saw this conversation about a week or two past, when I wasn't able 
to post, but as a former resident of the Northern Tier, I felt I should 
offer my opinion (humble though it may be...HAH!).  Anyway, to those of 
us in the great white north, "Upstate" defined that area between Albany 
and the Mohawk.  Northern New York, or the Northern Tier described the 
area within 50 miles or so of the St. Lawrence.  Between that and 
Syracuse, you were in the "snow belt" (it gets too damn cold north of 
there to snow as much).  Below Syracuse was "downstate", the area down 
around Endicott was "downstate" or the "Southern Tier" and the Catskills 
was essentially a foreign country (-:).  Rochester (?) and Buffalo were 
"Western New York", but since they were cities, they were lesser sources 
of evil in the world (NYC being, of course, the source of *all* evil in 
the world).  

     I come from Carthage, BTW, which prides itself on being 2nd only to 
Watertown as the largest community in Jefferson County (Big Deal!).  But 
to those of us growing up in the frozen north, it was pretty decent 
(except when the temperature hit 50 below [screw the wind-chill factor; 
that was the real temp]).  

     So that's my intro to this conference (which I'm enjoying quite a 
bit [despite Buffalo's posturing over chicken wings]).  I must say, it's 
nice to run into other people who find NYC an abomination.  As for 
credentials, let's just say that I've drunk a bit of Utica Club, O'Keefe 
Old Vienna and Genesee in my day (despite leaving 25 years ago), so 
that's what it is.

-Bob

    Oh, and BTW, the correct pronunciation of Chaumont is Sha-mo (just in 
case that hadn't been covered yet (-:)..).

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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Subject: Re: Rochester brewpubs
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:12:43 GMT

In article 37958@cbmvax.commodore.com, kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
> Does anyone know if there are any brewpubs in the Rochester area? I'll be home
> there for the holidays and I'm looking for any new places to quench a thirst.
> Any suggestions for favorite watering holes new or old would be appreciated
> also.
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> -- 
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Rorbach's (a new local brewerey) with excellent pub-style appetizers and
halfway decent beer.

---

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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Best wings in Buffalo ...
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:45:45 GMT

What's the net's opinion on the best chicken wings in Buffalo?  This is my  
personal list, but I'd like to know if there's any other "undiscovered" places  
to get some first class chicken wings.

1)	Anchor Bar, Main Street, Buffalo/Downtown (the original)
2)	Duffs, Sheridan Drive, Amherst
3)	Gabriel's Gate, Allen Street, Buffalo/Allentown
4)	Jimmy J's, Bailey Avenue, Buffalo/Kensington
5)	La Nova (BBQ wings), Grant Street, Buffalo/West Side

I've noticed the following characteristics about good chicken wing availbility  
..

*	The best wings are in Buffalo proper, and they get progresively  
	"cooler" as you get further into the suburbs (with some exceptions).
*	Wings get smaller as you get further from Buffalo.  Although the size  
	does not decrease much in UNY or Southern Ontario, there is a drastic  
	drop in size when you leave New York State or the "Golden Horseshoe"  
	area in Ontario.
*	It seems like _everyplace_ in Buffalo that serves food serves wings,  
	probably Lord Chumley's, the Park Lane and Dandelion's too ...	
*	Some places withut a clue have _breaded_ chicken wings.  This would be  
	a sin in Buffalo.
*	Some places that _really_ don't have a clue leave the tips on.  Again,  
	something that is located outside the home turf of the wing.
*	Just like naming "Canadian bacon", chicken wings are called chicken  
	wings in Buffalo.  Outside the region, they're called "Buffalo wings".
*	Forget celery, bleu cheese or a _proper_ wood bowl outside UNY/So.  
	Ontario.

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                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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From: jerry@ee.rochester.edu (Jerry Seward)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:02:44 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1993Jan4.021732.26200@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) 
writes:

>Let's take "Cheektowaga" for example.  White collar folks around Buffalo  
>pronounce the home of the Walden Galleria Cheek-toe-waa-guh while blue collar  
>types say Chick-tuh-wah-guh.  I've even heard it pronounced Chick-a-tuh-va-guh  
>by some.  Cheektowaga is Iroquois for "crabapple tree", although I heard it  
>actually meant "bowling alley" :)

I thought that Cheektowaga was Iroquois for "near the airport."
From: ryanr@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Richard Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:17:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Natural Sciences, Colorado State University

>>>>> On 23 Dec 92 13:35:23 GMT,
>>>>> David Esan
>>>>> from the organization of Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY
>>>>> who can be reached at: de@moscom.com
>>>>> (whose comments are cited below with "David> "),
>>>>> had this to say in article <4807@moscom.com>
>>>>> in newsgroups alt.culture.ny-upstate
>>>>> concerning the subject of Re: OK, how do you say...
>>>>> (see <1992Dec23.010836.8830@netcom.com> for more details)

David> Different pronounciations:








That's pronunciation.
           ^
           |


Just playin' with my news posting thingamajig-a-rooney (sp?),
Richard.
From: sullivan@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mike Sullivan - CSG)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Great New Group
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:55:07 GMT
Reply-To: sullivan@cbmvax.UUCP (Mike Sullivan - CSG)
Distribution: na
Organization: MOS Technology, Valley Forge, PA

From: lewis@b56vxg.kodak.com (Ken Lewis) :
>Boy, this is starting sound like the Saturdays at lunchtime when I was a 
>kid hearing the Oneida County MutualAid Radio check.

>villes:
>Wampsville (one of my favorites!) -- 

What wrong with that, the county seat of Madison country !!

Also don't forget:
Clockville
Polkville
Perryville
Fayetteville

On the subject of beers --
Utica Club
Matts -- the beer of choice at the Chittenango Fireman's Field Days
Gennie Cream / 12 Horse / Light 

Now wonder I can't drink beer now 

Chittenango -- the birth place of L. Frank Baum 

Mike Sullivan
sullivan@commodore.com
My opinions are my own, not my employers.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Subject: Re: 3 topics in one!
Organization: HICAM/OSD
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:52:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.171102.10196@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tgordon@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gordon,theodore d) writes:
>Here's an efficient article. Three topics in one.

Except that I only know anything about the third.

>3. As far as the discussion of Upstate beers - I found a mint set
>of Schultz and Dooley bar lights (boxed, new) in the attic
>of the house we moved into here in NJ.

They might be worth something - see below...

>Do they call up any memories for anybody?

My parents still have a pair of original S/D beer steins which were given
to them by a beer wholesaler who dealt with the supermarket where my father
worked.  According to a friend who used to collect beer memorabilia, the
original steins were made in Germany, were only distributed within the
industry as promos, and are considerably more valuable than the later 
non-German knockoffs sold to the general public. 

AWR
"To beer or not to beer, zat is ze kvestion... iss it naturally carbonated
beer or artificially carbonated beer?  Und mit Utica Club... zere's no
kvestion!"
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: murphy@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Daniel Murphy)
Subject: "Classical" names
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Distribution: USA 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:45:41 GMT

Ever notice how many Upstate NY locations have names from Classical
antiquity, both persons and places; for example:

Troy
Homer
Syracuse
Macedon
Greece (near Rochester)
Ithaca
Rome
Utica
Alexandria (Bay)
Carthage
Cairo
Cato
Cicero
Cincinnatus
Ilion
Ionia
Minerva
Marcellus (near Syracuse; ironic because Marcellus defeated Syracuse in
           the Second Punic War)
Ovid
Phoenicia
Pompey
Romulus
Sardinia
Seneca

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From: steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Just a little piece of trivia...
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:15:59
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com
In-reply-to: obrien@acf3.nyu.edu's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:36:16 GMT

In article <BzDG0H.DDD@cmcl2.nyu.edu> obrien@acf3.nyu.edu (Your Worst Nightmare) writes:

   Did you know that if you travelled from Battery Park on Broadway,
   going uptown (though it runs downtown after 59th Street, Columbus
   Circle), you could travel all the way to Albany without making one
   turn?

   :)

   -Julia
   New Yorker for last 10 years, living in Astoria, Queens.

Of course; Broadway is Rt 9; the old Albany Post Road.
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