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From: strzelin@sscdaq.phy.bnl.gov (Bob Strzelinski)
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Organization: Physics Dept., Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:14:54 GMT

In article <C15wto.LJL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
|> Anyone ever hear of my hometown, Baldwinsville?  Its a small 
|> village about 30 minutes west of Syracuse.
|> 
|> Whiskey hollow, the Beeville Bees, Smokey Hollow Rd., Lysander,
|> Phoenix, the Corner Pharmacy, the Gaslight.....
|> 
|> - Peggy -

You bet! I was a student teacher at B'ville HS and Middle School back around
1976(?). Also lived in Village Green apts. a couple years later while I was
a grad student at SU.  Very nice town - pretty (esp. along the Seneca River),
quiet, easy commute to Syracuse.  Great X-country/track program at the HS
back then... I've been trying to remember the name of the bar/restaurant that
a lot of the Middle School teachers used to hit on Fri. afternoons but it
escapes me...

-- Bob

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From: steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Minor League Hockey coming to Syracuse?
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:08:24
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: jdh@math.psu.edu's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:26:44 GMT

In article <C1EFCL.DF6@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:

   Actually, it's pronounced (by me, anyway), SEER-A-KYOOS (no 'z' sound).  But
   a nice try, anyway.

This is a constant disagreement between me and my wife. I say it's
"seer-a-kyoos" (as do you), but she claims it's "ser-a-kyoos". She hails
from the Albany area, if that makes a difference. 

What's the concensus on this?
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From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Rochester Red Wings Stadium
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:28:43 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <C1Juuq.G3@world.std.com> fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush) writes:
>I don't think anything definite has been decided.  Personally I LOVE
>Silver Stadium.  I never minded the drive from Brighton (hey, it
>was shorter than my daily commute here in the Boston 'burbs), and
>you can't beat parking on Seneca Ave. within sight of the ballpark.
>And the park itself is a perfectly decent AAA facility, I think.
>
>Why fix what's broken?

You want a list, I'll give you a list:

1. Biggest one.  The recent agreement between the players and Baseball has
   mandated certain specifications for baseball parks.  These include all
   professional parks from Rookie League through Major League.  Silver
   Stadium (which I grew up calling Red Wing Stadium), fails to meet many
   of these requirements, to whit, the lighting is still insufficient, the
   locker rooms are inadequate, and a few others.  Refurbishing the stadium
   to bring it up to spec would cost nearly as much a new stadium.

2. The Norton Street neighborhood is no longer even considered marginal.
   Parts of it are downright nasty.  Lots of people would like to go to
   a game, but fear the neighborhood (not that downtown is better).

3. There is inadequate parking at the stadium.

4. What parking there is at the stadium is ill-policed and poorly lighted
   (as if a ramp garage downtown is the answer to this problem.)  I have
   left games early with my kids, and have been fearful going to my car.
   The gates are open, there are no lights, anyone could walk in.  Players
   cars were broken into during a road trip this season.  Many people have
   lost things from their cars.

5. Access to the stadium is not great.

6. You are limited in noise levels due to the residental nature of the area.
   No late night rock concerts.  No fireworks.  No tractor pulls.  No extra
   income.


To answer an earlier question about the future of the stadium, who knows what
will happen.  The Wings won't go to Greece.  The Greece site requires NYS money
and that will require Silent Tom Ryan to sign off on the transfer of the Wings,
and he won't.  David Gantt does not want the Wings to leave Norton Street, and
will block ANY move in the legislature.  Bob King wants the Franklin Street 
site (why?) and Tom Ryan wants the Plymouth Street site.  I don't see either
of those as much of an improvement on Norton Street.  Gantt hates King, King
dislikes Ryan, Ryan doesn't like Republicans, and the people of Rochester
are going to get shafted.

Avon is 15 minutes by expressway from the Can.  Great access, no local
residental problem.  IMHO, Downtown is an idea whose time has passed, it is
time to pull the plug and stop trying to revive it.



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From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: WKBW (Was Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?)
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:32:46 GMT

In article <4333@eastman.UUCP> gerwitz@Kodak.com writes:
>
>That's PROMO the Robot.... Rocketship 7 with Dave Thomas on Channel 7.
>Between that and Captain Kangeroo on Channel 4, It's a wonder I survived
>childhood...
>

You could almost have a subgroup dedicated to WKBW culture!

Remember Dialing 4 Dollars with the Johnny and Jimmy Duo?
(I think the was Jimmy who used to sweat inside the the robot suit)

Then there's Commander Tom in the afternoon with that lame puppet
with all the ties. J.D.'s could later throw snowballs at Tom when
he did the "Weather Outside" during Irv's Eyewitness News.

I won't even mention the radio station at 1520 on your AM dial
since many posters are flershing that out.

-- john
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From: tdtyl@hubcap.clemson.edu (theodore d taylor)
Subject: Re: WKBW (Was Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:28:21 GMT


What ever happened to 'The Hound' on WKBW?  We used to listen to him
every evening (1957 on).  It would be fun to hear him now.  Back then he
was just the coolest DJ there ever was.
T.D. Taylor
Clemson University
Clemson, SC 

P.S.  I grew up in Churchville, NY (just west of Rochester).
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From: eam@mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ed A. Mills)
Subject: Re: Correct Super Bowl Prediction
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:25:52 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1993Jan21.011421.11389@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>+----------+
>| Bills 67 |
>| Dallas 3 |
>+----------+
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>   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
>                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu

Ya rite!  If it wasn't for the teribble officiating, and the wind being in our
Beloved 'fins faces for both halves, we'd a SMEARED YA!!  I know - I WUZ THERE!

NOT!  Good luck in The SB..  If the Eagles can't be there to do it themselves..

Feel free to Stomp Dallas for us!!  Go Thruman! 

Ed
Melbourne FL's #1 Eagles Fan...
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:35:15 GMT

(Posts about Fantasy Island)

>Fantasy Island theme park on Grand Island (still there?) Gosh, it's been so  
>long I've forgotten most of it.  Has anyone else out there found that his  
>newsgroup is a great place to get homesick? 
 
:It's so strange that you mention this. Yes, Fantasy Island is still there, but  
:it's decrepit.  Don't even go there for the memories...it's really a living  
:hell.  I think some kids died there last year...anyway...cool picnic stuff.
:Anyone ever go to Sherkston?  Now, that is the kicking place.
:I live in LA now and I still miss Sherkston massively.  That was such
:an awesome beach.  When I go back to Buffalo for Summer I go check out those
:little beach strips.  It's so awesome there...go at night and party till  
:dawn.. yuck, but then I had to go to work....wow, I don't want to think about  
:that...

Fantasy Island ... FUN? WOW!

Regarding Sherkston ... I'm afraid we're losing the Canadian Beach heritage  
that so many of us grew up with.  Not too long ago, the average Buffalonian  
used to be able to afford rental on a beachfront cottage.  Proletarians and  
college kids could rent out a cottage set back a bit further at astonishingly  
low rents.  A lot of blue-collar types could buy a summer home in Fort Erie,  
and commute to work in Buffalo.  

Now, the yuppie types are beginning to take over the Canadian lakeshore, as the  
small cottages we enjoyed are being torn down for million dollar homes.   
Toronto residents are also discovering the Erie shore, realizing that it's a  
lot cheaper than going up to Lake Simcoe for the holidays.  I hope there'll be  
something left when I have kids, someplace that I can take them that's fun,  
affordable, and not infiltrated with Buffalo new money and Tornoto yuppie folk. 

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From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:06:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan27.160224.28481@mlb.semi.harris.com> eam@mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ed A. Mills) writes:
>Well, I'm probably dating myself here.. but the REAL blizzard wasn't in '77. I
>think we missed an afternoon of classes at 'SU over that..  No, the REAL 
>blizzard was in the '60s, 66 I think 'cause I remember it was a year after the
>great blackout.

Ahhhhh, yes!  The blizzard of '66, indeed!  We had been skiing at Whiteface
that morning. . . it was a major struggle to get back to St. Lawrence
before the roads became impossible!

We broke into the Outing Club, and borrowed all the snowshoes. . .
played good samaritan to folks in town. . . shopping for the elderly, digging
out fire hydrants. . . just seemed like a fun way to pass the time!

[There was a real good one in '57 or '58, as well!]

>Ed
>Oran New York (a Church, Softball Field,  & a Post Office - 
>               Who could ask for anything more??)

As I recall the Oran Gulf Road was a prime place to watch the submarine races!

Jo
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From: oldman@fugue.cc.purdue.edu (James Agett)
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:20:08 GMT

Baldwinsville, shouldn't you be saying BUDwinsville!  The last time that
I was in that area was for the opening of the Anheuser-Busch plant.  It
was a real big deal for the area when that went in. 
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From: bownes@peterpan.crd.ge.com (Keptin Komrade Dr. Bobwrench III)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Organization: School of Corrective Phrenology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:59:25 GMT

 I was in the best place in the world to be when the blizzard hit Syracuse.

 On the ski slope. With a female companion. It was a great evening. I 
 will remember it for the rest of my life.

 We left the ski area at about 10:20 to make the ~30 minute trip home.
 We got home about 1am. Glad we had my mothers Blazer...

 We decided to follow one of the plows down Sweet Rd from Pompey to 
 my house. You know the type, the REALLY BIG plows... I had the pleasue
 of watching it slide off the road and into a ditch. We just waited till 
 another came along and got #1 out, then followed them both home.

 Great times.

 iii

-- 
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From: eugenehs@aludra.usc.edu (HEUGE aka Eugene Hsu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Bills Practicing
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:02:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Well since the Bills are upstate I guess I can mention this...

They are going to be practicing here at USC on campus before 
the big game.  They have been bringing in lots of sod for the
football fields.... oooooh  I think I am going to need to 
crash one of the practice sessions  8)

cya

=Eugene=
originally from Rochester NY

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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Alumni of UFA (Utica)
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:02:10 GMT

Any UFA alums out there. Our poor school is condos
or an old folks home now!!!!

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From: jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello)
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:12:17 GMT

an4140@anon.penet.fi writes:


>I'd just like to put in a good word for Pat Mitchell's Ice Cream,
>spiedies, and the Park Diner.  It's been lo these many years, but
>I still have fond memories...

It's not obvious, but the anonymous poster is extolling the virtues of
Endicott and Binghamton.

To which I'd like to add:
	1.  Jim Roma's pizza and deli
	2.  The Oasis in Johnson City
	3.  PMP German deli in Johnson City
	4.  Rita's in Endicott

NC is great but good pizza is really hard to find here.
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                   Jay Novello                 jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu
University of North Carolina Institute for Transportation Research and Education
                         Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
From: nines@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mike Nines - PCB Design)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Water front in up-state NY
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: nines@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mike Nines - PCB Design)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA



             Water front properties in New York State 

     Hi again,

     Thanks to all of you who responded to my post on waterfront 
     property locations in up-state NY. 

Those who responded gave recommendations to some far, far away places. Too
far. (but thanks anyway :-) ) Other information that was supplied was very
informative. Is there anyone out there who can tell me about land 
availability on the finger lakes? Are there still waterfront lots available? 
What would a typical lot sell for?? Are the lots usually in "developments" 
or associations? What is the size of a building lot there?

I know, I don't know much about the area, but this is the best way I
know how to get the local inside information. I originally posted about 
land only, but how about expanding to homes and cabins or even shacks.

Please, PLEASE send any and all recommendations. Even if your cousin or
uncle or sister is a real estate person or maybe your family is selling
their house or lot. Let me know.

Please feel free to Email your response to:  nines@cbmvax.commodore.com 
Thanks again,
Michael Nines


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From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:25:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello) writes:

>It's not obvious, but the anonymous poster is extolling the virtues of
>Endicott and Binghamton.

>To which I'd like to add:
>	1.  Jim Roma's pizza and deli
>	2.  The Oasis in Johnson City
>	3.  PMP German deli in Johnson City
>	4.  Rita's in Endicott

	There is also a diner in Johnson City called the Red Robin Diner.
It's right near teh SUNY school there.  That diner kicks ass.  It's such
an awesome place.  You can trace the history of cult America in the wallpaper
and decorations that adorn that place.  Someone get a bleu cheese burger from
there for me.

	Steve Knezevich

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From: sas@netlabs.com (Scott Schoenthal)
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Organization: Netlabs -- Los Altos, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:10:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.201921.11453@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ktreole@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kathleen Treole) writes:
>
>One of my favorite places was/is Webster NY/Victor NY.
				  ^^^^^^^^^^
Mine too.

/sas (Webster Schroeder HS, Class of '79)
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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.215454.7529@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...

As someone who is a relative newcomer to Buffalo and does not have this past,
let me make a few corrections that reflect Buffalo's present:

>! Bells (supermarket) - Various locations (sold, split up)

There are plenty still around. There's one on Sheridan Drive at Delaware Av.,
on Main St. in Clarence, and in East Amherst, among many other locations.\

If you want to be more accurate try this:

! Super Duper (supermarket) - Now renamed Jubilee, SD survives in a few outlying
areas.

>Boulevard
>Mall in Amherst (bankrupt)

It's still there too. But one of the larger chain stores in it should be on 
this list:

! Kleinhans (department store) - bankrupt, closed down.

Under special places add:

! Grand Island casino (I couldn't categorize it properly) - fire

>* Memorial Auditorium - Main Street, Buffalo (future uncertain if new Aud is  
>built)

If the Crossroads project is built, it will be on the site of the old Aud 
(which would be good-when I went to a Bandits game last spring (my first ever
visit to the Aud) I can honestly say that its age and organization almost make
Madison Square Garden look good. The Aud's saving grace is that, unlike MSG,
the rink/court is at ground level, not five stories up).

>* Your Host (restaurant chain) - Various locations (fading) 

I think there's one still left on Sheridan in Tonawanda near the boulevard.

> 
> 
>Special thanks to randyon@microsoft.com, sknezevi@scf.usc.edu.  If you would  
>like to contribute to this list, or you did but you weren't credited, please  
>write to dtasmanNMSU.edu.
> 
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From: sullivan@uucp (Mike Sullivan -- lsides)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:26:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore

Soouthern Tier:

From: mike@donut.endicott.ibm.com
>Don't forget it's the Carosel capital of the U.S.

Are you referring to the carosel in Johnson City --(EJ park?) 

It was within walking distance from my grandparent`s house. Across
from the Red Kettle Inn. 

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Food - who remembers: 

 1) A place we called the PIG STAND around Endicott ? Is it still there ?
    It was a drive in place for good barbeque.

 2) City Chicken ? 

 3) Those "Greek" restaurants (The Spot, and one in Binghamton I can't 
    remember the name) Good cheesecake there as well... 

Mike Sullivan  - sullivan@commodore.com
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From: drkisd@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.R. Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:10:42 GMT


The blizzard of '77 was preceded by two major snowstorms that year. Two
weeks before the blizzard(began on Sunday, stopped snowing Wed) there
was a storm that dumped about 6 inches and two weeks before that another
storm dropped about 12 inches. This was the last GREAT snow season we've
had. From the last week in January to the last week in Feb , we had
almost 100 inches of snow. I hired a front end loader to clear my
driveway. My youngest daughter was bor a week after the blizzard. I'm
glad she waited :).

    DanK
    DRKISD@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU