From: jamalin@watt.ccs.tuns.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Bosnia has seven weeks to live!
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:45:03 GMT

In article <BtsG9M.Itn@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.005348.29863@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>In article <mirza.715125628@terminus.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>>assalam alaikum
>>>
>>
>>........(stuff deleted)
>>
>>>the stories of horrifying crimes which i can only relate to the ones
>>>committed in 1947-51, the struggle for pakistan days, and to the 
>>>crimes of which there is mention in Quran (a hadith in Bukhari, as i
>>>remember says that once, during the early days of islam, when sahaba
>>>asked the Prophet(SAW) that if any believers (Jews, Christians, and others
>>>before islam) were tortured as much as they are being tortured? the 
>>>Prophet(SAW) replied, " Yes, and they were skinned alive and thrown in
>>>fire and cut in two pieces starting from the head, just because they
>>>said that Allah (God) is One."
>>
>>We don't have to go too far to look for examples... how about MQM's
>>drilling holes in limbs, literally removing knee-caps, killing, raping, 
>>cutting off women's breasts.... throwing children into fire... obviously, 
>>while the victims were alive and conscious....
>>
>>....... (stuff deleted)
>>
>>>
>>>Murad [ anytime my number can be up too! as Allah wishes ] Mirza.
>>
>>That Bosnian Muslims are humans is sufficient reason for anyone to help.
>>It's a shame that we don't want to miss even this chance of showing our 
>>bigotry.
>>
>>Nadeem
>>
>>-- 
>>Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>>						 
>>School of Computer Science			  
>>Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  
>
>Nadeem, as pointed out by you, some people hesitate to see their own bigotry.
>The concept of ethnic cleansing is not new in our provincial politics. The
>Punjabi students association and JSSF indulged in this sort of nasty torture
>tactics when Altaf Bhai was still driving a cab in Chicago. Ok so there were'nt
>exactly keeping people in torture cells, and an occasional one on one with
>hockey sticks was like men fighting for their honor but things did get out
>of hands at Mehran University. A dear friend who happens to be Udru-speaking
>was caught in the cross-fire. He was protected by Sindhis only because after
>having spent all his life in Petaro and LMC, he talked and walked Sindhi but
>as he told me, even the fact that he was getting special treatment (that of
>protection) caused arguments within the JSSF. The leader of JSSF was my 
>friend's classmate and therefore it was a common custom of childhood yaari
>that he was looked after.

Well, there seems to be a misunderstanding; otherwise, please help me
find a firm relevance :) I had only referred to the bigotry in making the
Yogoslav problem sound like a religious war. The point was that those people's
being Muslims or not is irrelevant. That they are humans is enough reason for
concern. 

I agree that MUET and LMC had gone out of control. It became worse after
the ThoRi Phatak incident in which army had killed innocent students. Later,
one instituition came under JSSF control and the other one under Punjabi 
students. Student politics changed drastically after APMSO emerged. Carrying
hand guns became very common... in fact most students do own a fire arm of some
kind.... and that's not Mehran or Liaqat I'm talking about. It's much worse in
DJ, NED, DMC, Dawood, SMC... almost everywhere. And now APMSO is probably the
only group that is capable of protecting someone. And they don't seem to believe
in inter-cultural/inter-racial friendships :) That's probably what ameer-ul-
momineen wanted... BTW, though it is not relevant to this thread, has anyone
heard about Zia's being an ahmedi??

>
>I dont think it is a healthy thing for people to be asked to explain/disown
>the MQM. Talking about it on scp is absurd in the first place, we are assuming
>as if people had clear knowledge of it, and approved it wholeheartedly. 
>

Asking to explain/disown MQM was not my intention. The point there was merely
to point out that it is not a problem one only finds in the past... such ethnic
hatred is alive today and is very close to home too. That mentioning MQM on
scp is absurd :), I may not agree with... Similarly, I wouldn't be so confident
in attesting people's lack of knowledge about MQM. But I would say that MQM has
been discussed in detail last month... which I am some what satisfied with. I 
tend to agree with you that another discussion on the same topic is not required
at this time. I'm sorry if I sounded like a bigot... 

>
>Pakistan, here aaooN aaya :)
>
>[how is that for a mix of tri-lingual combo]
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, Pakistan is the same in almost all languages :)

>Naveed Siraj

Peace

Nadeem Jamali