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Subject: Re: high density disks, A3000
From: wewilm@ITWOL.BHP.COM.AU (Martyn Williams)
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:29:49 +1000
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 <wewilm-240892075120@134.18.40.80> <1992Aug25.211035.3638@darwin.ntu.edu.au>
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> Hi,
> I would like to know which programs you are using to format IBM disk in 1.44
> format, as well as how you do the Mac formatting? I have the HD drive as well and
> it doesn't work.

I am using Cross Dos (IBM) and I have an AMAX Cartridge installed in the
floppy port, when I format a mac disk it does not ask if the disk should be
formatted "one-sided" or "Two-sided". You should note that I have tried the
HD Floppy as DF1: and it did not  work.

Martyn


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: high density disks, A3000
From: wewilm@ITWOL.BHP.COM.AU (Martyn Williams)
Date: 24 Aug 92 07:49:18 +1000
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Distribution: world
Organization: BHP Information Technology


> >How do you know if you have a high density drive on your Amiga 3000, I have
> >tried to format a HD disk but it formatted to 880k,....I have been told that
> >WB2.0 does not support HD formating is this true.....
> 
> Nope, if it formatted OK to 880K, the it is an 880K drive. When you try to format a HD disk on a HD drive and you don't have TDPatch installed, you get read/write errors. (At least in my experiance).

I have a high density drive in my 3000, I found out by switching the drives
around. It seems as though the high density drive only works reliably when
it is configured as df0:.

I can format 1.76M Amiga format, 1.44M IBM format and 1.6M Mac Format, all
without additional hardware (other than the AMAX cartridge in the floppy
port)

I am using HDFixer at present, does TDPatch work in the same manner

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: amiga@uhunix2.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (ftp Amiga Manager)
Subject: Re: Monthly Fish Disk site posting
Organization: Yeah, right.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:33:09 GMT

In article <schwager.715382877@mike.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager) writes:
>
>Fish Archive Spots: (updated 8/17/92)
>
>128.171.44.7 ftp.hawaii.edu (mirror of ux1: disks 001-current)
>	Maintained by amiga@ftp.hawaii.edu (Baron) 
>	The disks on ux1 say: "...I want to be a Fish Disk in Hawaii!" :-)

Heh.  How 'bout we make life dificult and call it the Humuhumunukunukuapua'a
Disk Collection?  [For anyone that cares, humuhumunukunukuapua'a translates
to something like "fish that sows and grunts like a pig" and is the state 
fish of Hawaii -- gee, you learn something every day! ]  :-)

Actually, only the latest incomplete groups of 100 Fish Disks is a true 
mirror of ux1.  Once an directory of 100 disks becomes static, I rearchive 
them with lha to try and squeeze a little more disk space from the archive.
But yeah, we basically mirror ux1.  Thanks Mike!  (or "mahalo", if you
prefer.)

-baron

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From: schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager)
Subject: Monthly Fish Disk site posting
Summary: Here it is
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:27:57 GMT


Wanna know where to get Fish disks?  Ok, I'll post it here every month.
Besides which, I always include this in my .sig whenever I post to a
comp.sys.amiga.* group.  AND I post the Fish listings to
comp.sys.amiga.misc whenever I upload, and thus you can see the ftp site list
there too.  Sooo... if there's anyone out there who doesn't know where to
get them from after all that, well, hmmm... well, I just don't know what.
So without further adieu, here 'tis:

Fish Archive Spots: (updated 8/17/92)
128.174.5.59    ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (disks 001-710 and counting.. GO, Fred, GO!)
        Maintained by Mike Schwager (schwager@cs.uiuc.edu)
128.255.19.233 grind.isca.uiowa.edu  has FF #1-current
        Maintained by Michael T. Pins (amigapd@isca.uiowa.edu)
128.171.44.7 ftp.hawaii.edu (mirror of ux1: disks 001-current)
	Maintained by amiga@ftp.hawaii.edu (Baron) 
	The disks on ux1 say: "...I want to be a Fish Disk in Hawaii!" :-)
16.1.0.2 gatekeeper.dec.com has FF #1-600 or so in /pub/micro/amiga/fish
       Maintained by vixie@pa.dec.com   ... does not appear to be current
128.252.135.4 wuarchive.wustl.edu  has the newest in systems/amiga/fish/fish
        (Woah!  Now lots of disks at one of America's premier ftp sites!)
IN AUSTRALIA:
139.130.4.6     archie.au
     a mirror of wuarchive.wustl.edu?  Maintained by ???
IN EUROPE:
128.214.6.100 ftp.funet.fi  carries all Fish disks in /pub/amiga/fish.
        Maintained by Pertti Lehtinen <pl@ftp.funet.fi> and
                   Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@ftp.funet.fi>
137.226.112.31 ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de /pub/amiga/fish
     Maintained by Stefan Becker
<stefanb@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>

-Mike
From: sunil@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: old problem of phantom external disk drives
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:13:34 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Im not really a newcomer, but the question is one that has been aired and solved
many times.. unfortunately I wasnt around the net at the time, so here goes: 

1)
I have an a500 with 2M ram and an external drive(xytec) . When I boot with the
external drive attached the amiga has the impression that it has 4 drives
attached. 

Someone mentioned something about jumper connections, so I had a look inside the
drive (citizen mechanism) and found an 3x2 array of pins with two jumpers on 
some of them. moving the "jumpers" didnt amuse the amiga which told me that 
I had no external drives. I put the jumpers back to their original positions
and still have the problem of the two extra phantom drives: df2: df3:

any ideas as what I should do (other than get a better disk-drive) to solve the 
problem? Or is the problem within the amiga and how do I find out.

2) the flicker-fixer program is very efeective at removing flicker without 
investing in hardware. Unfortunately it only works on the "workbench" screen.
Has it been extended to work on all screens? If so where can I get it from.

Many thanks. please email replies as I dont normally see this newsgroup

Sunil
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Parallel versus Serial port printing?
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:31:58 GMT
Organization: City University, London

Is there any disadvantage in connecting the printer (HP500C)
to the serial port instead of the parallel port, speedwise?
I am thinking of doing this so as to free the parallel port 
for DigiView. (Unaccelerated A2000).

PS. Thanks for the info on LhA.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: h08f@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Faroul)
Subject: Re: Recoverable Ram:
Organization: Univ. Bremen, Informatik
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:53:55 GMT

ea0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward J Allard) writes:

>I've been having problems setting up a recoverable ram: drive on my A1000
>under 1.3.  Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm able to mount and use the device,
>but I when I reboot, I loose the data.  Is there something obvious that I'm
>missing, or do I have to change the mountlist entry?
>Thanx for any help anyone can give.
You've to do SETPATCH -r in your Startup-Sequence. That's all. :)

	Faroul
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From: stockamp@ztivax.UUCP (Klaus Stockamp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: HDBackup/BRU
Date: 25 Aug 92 06:26:29 GMT
Organization: Siemens AG, Munich, W-Germany

charro@ee.ualberta.ca writes:
>WB2.05.  I can't remember the exact numbers, but if I want to back up
>90 Megs or so of data, it will take approximately 120 Megs of storage
>space on floppies.  Surely 30 Megs isn't used up in header
>information!  I haven't done a backup yet, believing I am doing
>something wrong somewhere.  If anyone has any advice on what I am
>doing wrong, or (gasp) advice telling me that that is the way
>HDBackup/BRU is supposed to work for any reason, I'd love to hear
>about it.

Forget HDBackup!
I've the same problems like you. HDBackup requires 30% more Floppy-Disk-
Space than QuarterBack (or 40% ?).
Sometimes I run Quarterback under 2.04 and I have no problems with it.
(I use only the V2.0 QuarterBack...).

Hope, this helps you...


 
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From: colin@Cayman.COM (Colin "Atilla" Steele)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: TOTAL novice questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:41:24 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA


Well, I'm absolutely clueless about the whole amiga scene, so if
there's a FAQ, I'll be happy to peruse it!  Anyhow, here are my
questions:


1) What is an amiga 1000?

2) What is an amiga 2000?

3) What is an amiga 3000?

4) What CPUs do the above use?  How fast?  What sort of bus(es)? How
much do they cost?

5) Which machine(s) can you run amiga's flavor of UNIX on?  Do you
have to buy extra memory, etc. to do so?  How much does amiga UNIX
cost?

6) Are there C and/or C++ compilers available for amigas?

7) What is amigados?  (Plz, beyond the obvious, "It's an operating
system.")

8) Are there compelling reasons for wanting to own an amiga system?
Will I get more bang for the buck than, say, buying a (now very cheap)
3- or 486 box with a whizzy monitor?

Thanks in advance!




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: dominik@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Dominik Buszko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Help needed quickly (ABackup)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:15:38 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO


Hello

I need some help with ABackup.  I can't restore my backup.  It asks for the
last backup disk, then it loads and decrunches catalog for about 2 minutes
and tells me that there is no enough memory.  I have 3megs of mem(look down
in signature for my system).

Help greatly appreciated 

 Domino

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: carl.bannenberg@canrem.com (carl bannenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: parallel vs serial
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:46:13 GMT
Reply-To: "carl bannenberg" <carl.bannenberg@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


Lionel Tun writes:

-> I am thinking of doing this so as to free the parallel port
-> for DigiView. (Unaccelerated A2000).

Unless you plan to digitise and print at the same time you could get a
A-B switch box instead.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: sdesmara@sobeco.com (s.desmarais)
Subject: Re: HDBackup/BRU
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:22:34 GMT

In <1992Aug20.193007.889@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.160727.4775@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, charro@ee.ualberta.ca (Dan Charrois) writes:
>> I've recently purchased WB2.05 and would like to make a backup of my
>> HD.  But something seems a bit strange with HDBackup/BRU supplied with
>> WB2.05.  I can't remember the exact numbers, but if I want to back up
>> 90 Megs or so of data, it will take approximately 120 Megs of storage
>> space on floppies.  Surely 30 Megs isn't used up in header
>> information!

>Step one is to turf HDBackup.  Step two is to purchase Ami-Back.  Step three is
>to use Ami-Back to make some reliable backups to your floppies.

>There are serious limitations with using BRU to back up many small files.  The
>overhead simply kills you, as you've noticed...  you're not doing anything
>wrong except using the wrong tool for the job.

>Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
>EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430

I don't know what's this doing in .intro, but anyway...

Don't bash too hard on BRU. I use it daily on MIPS, RS6000, SCO, SVR4, etc.
True, I never used it on the amiga. Mine is still at 1.3

But you're right about overhead: BRU was designed to write using fixed block 
sizes to the archive medium.  2k blocks.  There's about a 200 bytes header
(could be less, I don't remember exactly) with most of this going
for the complete file name with path.  So for 10 bytes files, you loose much.
Not for big files though.

The reason for this is because it's easier to recover in case of data error
on the medium while restoring: you'll only loose one file, or even just
part of a file.

Bru works great on a tape drive.  For backing up small files real fast to
floppies, you're probably better off with something else.

P.S.  We have a source license for BRU, that's why I know so much details.
      I hope I didn't violate my license agreement :=)

P.P.S.  Is Fred Fish still associated with Bru and EST?
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From: marcol@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Marco Lesmeister AEO)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:40:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Where can I get archiving tools?
Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction

I once had a lharc version that worked fine on my 1.3 system, but it doesn't
anymore, since I have a 2.0 system.

Does someone know where to get a lharc version that works with 2.0?

If it's possible I would really like you to send it to me (in uudecoded form or
something), because I do not have access to machines outside of HP.

Does someone know what happened to ab20?

I tried to reach it a couple of days ago, but I got a message back saying it
was not operational anymore.
Is this temporary, or is it moved to another site?

Regards,

Marco Lesmeister
HP Holland
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From: ricci@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mark Ricci - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: 1.3 to 2.04 ansi escape codes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:18:05 GMT
Reply-To: ricci@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mark Ricci - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl) writes:
>I have a program that uses ansi escape codes for cursor positioning,
>screen clear, and highlighting.  (specifically, the empire tools
>for old empire).  I believe that the clear screen and highlight
>still work, but the cursor movement seems broken.
>
>It appears that the codes to place the cursor have changed from
>1.3 to 2.x.  1.3 codes were
>cursor movement = esc[#;#H  where the numbers are row and column

The cursor movement escape sequence has not changed, it's still 
esc[row;columnH.  Look at page 69 of the 2.0 Devices RKM.

>Supposedly, you can use
>esc[#x for horizontal placement from left window border
>esc[#y for vertical placement from top of window
>
>Are these codes more explicit in the rkm than the 2.x manual?
>Where can one find the ansi x3.64 spec that is mentioned in
>the 2.x manual (section 7 pages 43-45 for my manual).
>I don't happen to have the 2.x rkms yet.

I don't have the same version of the 2.x manual so I can't say whether the RKM
is more explicit.  The escape sequences you list above are not in the RKM. 
Maybe Ross can shed some light on this.

Mark
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From: rjw@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Robert Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Aquarium data base files
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:49:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

I've been using the Aquarium program to find software on the fish disks.
Unfortunately, but database only goes so far.  Is there a site to which 
additions to the database are posted?

-Robert
 rjw@cvs.rochester.edu
From: ea0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward J Allard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Recoverable Ram:
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:51:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QebcD2K00WB2JCFVMx
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've been having problems setting up a recoverable ram: drive on my A1000
under 1.3.  Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm able to mount and use the device,
but I when I reboot, I loose the data.  Is there something obvious that I'm
missing, or do I have to change the mountlist entry?
Thanx for any help anyone can give.
ed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: jardarso@dhhalden.no (JARDAR SUNDE OLSEN)
Subject: Re: Where can I get archiving tools?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:17:31 GMT

In article <2170001@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com> marcol@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Marco Lesmeister AEO) writes:
>Does someone know what happened to ab20?

>I tried to reach it a couple of days ago, but I got a message back saying it
>was not operational anymore.
>Is this temporary, or is it moved to another site?

Try 130.60.80.80 instead, you will find the latest version of lharc there.

>Regards,

>Marco Lesmeister
>HP Holland


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From: Roger_Martensson@f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Where can I get archiving tools?
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Organization: Nolaskolans TCL, Ornskoldsvik, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Marco_Lesmeister_Aeo


 MLA> I once had a lharc version that worked fine on my 1.3 system, but it 
 MLA> doesn't 
 MLA> anymore, since I have a 2.0 system. 
 
Why not try for LHA insteed. It's much faster and have better compression 
alorithms. 
 
/Rm  
  
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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: 1.3 to 2.04 ansi escape codes?
Summary: Devices RKM is more complete
Keywords: escape ansi manual
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:55:56 GMT
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <34867@cbmvax.commodore.com> ricci@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mark Ricci - CATS) writes:
>earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl) writes:

[...]

>>It appears that the codes to place the cursor have changed from
>>1.3 to 2.x.  1.3 codes were
>>cursor movement = esc[#;#H  where the numbers are row and column
>
>The cursor movement escape sequence has not changed, it's still 
>esc[row;columnH.  Look at page 69 of the 2.0 Devices RKM.
>
>>Supposedly, you can use
>>esc[#x for horizontal placement from left window border
>>esc[#y for vertical placement from top of window
>>
[...]
>
>I don't have the same version of the 2.x manual so I can't say whether the RKM
>is more explicit.  The escape sequences you list above are not in the RKM. 
>Maybe Ross can shed some light on this.
>
>Mark
>-- 

Maybe he can.  It appears, from my cursory (no pun intended) reading and
somewhat limited understanding, that the RKM and and the rev of the System
Software manual mentioned agree.  The RKM is of course more complete and
explicit, though more opaque.

Anyway, the x and y escape sequences mentioned by Mr. Earl appearing in
the USS manual do appear in the RKM, but under "Amiga Console Control
Sequences," rather than under the ANSI section a few pages before.  They
set top and left offset in "raster lines" which I assume is the same as
"pixels" which is how the USS describes it.

The other sequence Mr. Earl mentions, <CSI>n;mH, appears to be as both he and
Mark expect.  Its description refers to n and m being row and column 
numbers--does this mean characters or pixels?  Regardless, it wouldn't explain
why the sequence is behaving any differently under 2.0, if it is being 
specified the same way.  I presume there is some other difference in the 2.0
console that is really the problem.

Recommendation:  Buy that RKM!

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