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From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Gatso and things
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:21:15 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
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              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.



The Gestapo is a radar with a camera that sits at the side of a road and takes pictures

Two mags, PB &FB have had pictures of newspaper clippings of radar cases that were thrown
out of court because 'it would be unsafe to convict in a speeding case where more than
one vehicle [in this case two bikes] is approaching the radar gun.


There was a good article in Novembers FB about Gestapo use around London, and a map with
all known gestapo locations in greater London.
They visited a Police gestapo unit and were shown pictures from gestapos at traffic 
lights. The pictures were of cars going through, in clouds of burning rubber, a few
T-bones. 
... the owner of a Ford Granada pictured with all four wheels locked up and smoking was
prosecuted for having defective brakes, because a smartarse Gatso officer realised that
model always had ABS fitted. The owner had switched it off, and was successfully 
prosecuted for having part of his braking system inoperative. I would have thought that
was legally debatable...
...most appaling of all was a 38 ton artic doing 37mph across a junction over NINE 
SECONDS after he should have stopped. 
... the oblivious guy from Birmingham with the Toyota Supra which was snapped three
times in a week might soon disagree
... claim to be able to read plates in the negative which didn't show up on positive
exposures DID work however on number plates exposed to bright sunlight.
...slave flash defeated by taking two pic...
...some dirty plates     impossible to read
...if all else fails, braking, accelerating or swerving violently through the radar
beam confuses it(and no pic is taken) same as when more than one vehicle passes through
-speed in heavy traffic and you're safe, is the motto (eh?)
The obvious loophole of denying you were driving the vehicle is covered by reversing the
basic tenet of British (and civilised) law, which is that you are innocent until proven
guilty. 
..over last 2 years 8,000 drivers were prosecuted for breaking red light gestapos, just
33 pleaded not guilty - they all lost.



There exists this neat device that will flip up your plate to reveal your message[Beep 
beep, 4KOF etc.] at the touch of a switch.
[If you have to flip it up yourself why not slow down instead? Or maybe you can connect it
to your radar detector]





















--
Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Battery charging formula?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:20:26 GMT

In article <djm.724128883@morpheus> djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>
>-- 
>--
>
>David Maconochie
 
David either your wrist protected is in bad shape or your exhuberance
for helmets has caused you to put your's on backwards.

 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
================================================================================
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 65+ mph turns
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado) writes:
: In article <1992Dec5.223228.10388@mprgate.mpr.ca>, cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes:
: > In article <1992Dec4.174809.4631@mfltd.co.uk>, jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell (x5320)) writes:
: > >Hanging off reduces the effect of centripetal force (due to your bodyweight)
: > >on the tyres, which may give you more traction since the tyres have to fight
: > >less force sideways. 
: > > ....
: > 
: > Sorry incorrect: hanging off does not reduce the effect of centripetal force
: > on the tires.  This force is simply the force required to change the 
: > velocity of the rider and bike such that there _speed_ is un-changed but their
: > path forms an arc.  The magnitude of the force required depends only on the
: > mass of the bike + rider and the speed - not the lean angle.  
: > -- 
: >    Greg Cooper			          | MPR Teltech Ltd
: 
: Sorry but still incorrect: The magnitude of the force ALSO depends on the
: radius of the path/arc.  Since the lean angle is related to the radius of
: the turn, the magnitude of the force DOES depend on the lean angle (albeit
: indirectly).

Sorry, but that's crap.  It's the other way around.  For a given mass,
radius and angular velocity, the force required to maintain that motion
is fixed.  Bikes (and riders) lean to avoid falling over (highsiding).

What is true is that the angle formed by a line through the combined
bike/rider centre of mass will depend on  a) the force and b) the height
above the road of the centre of mass.  What scraping your elbows does is
move that mass lower and further towards the centre of the turn,
effectively increasing the "angle of lean" and _decreasing_ the radius
of the turn (but not by much - homework time - look at what happens as
the radius -> 0).  That statement assumes that we're looking at making
the tyres follow the same path & vary the hanging-off-the-side.  If the
CoM radius is held constant, then the tyres take a larger radius turn.

It also happends to be true that bikes are built in such a way that the
less they are lent over, the better the suspensions work. (they work
particularily poorly if you're scraping bits!).  But this is a secondary
effect (although a H3 owner might disagree).


Conrad Drake
 

--
"A carnival of misery so tragically our own,
 Where gathered 'round the ballot box we reap what we have sown"
               "These Festivals" Leunig, 1992

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: What I want for X-mas
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:59:28 GMT


My dreambike for X-mas? Here we go:

A '93 CBR600F2 with its engine removed. Instead I want a 2-stroke engine
in it. 
A nice 4 cylinder water-cooled 500ccm engine. It should produce around
130 hp (DIN). But with street-legal pipes.

It should make a sound like the NS400R. (This bike sounds like you're pissing
in a metal cup). 

And the pipes should be big like if I would have a 4-2 4stroke pipe instead
of the stock 4-1. And the other two pipes should be under the seat, right
under the taillight. Well covered. Only if you take a closer look you would
notice the 2 pipes.

And no ATAC, YPVS or other wheenie systems. Power should struck @8000 rpm 
to 13000 rpm with brutal force. Just like the 1990 NSR500 factory bikes.
You have to give 8500 at the stoplight to even get the bike in motion.
Cool. That one must eat clutches (dry, of course!) like cops eat cookies if
you're not familiar with it.
The jets are so rich that it chokes when idling. If you ride the bike 
below 8000 rpm you would have to clean out the pipes every 100 miles. Ha!
That should seperate the wheenies from the real men.

The CBR600F2 has a short wheelbase. I bet you can pull a wheelie without
the clutch in 3rd gear with this one.

Of course I mount the full fairing again on it, so noone can see my engine. 
And the controls, speedo and tacho would all remain the same. he,he,he.
Of course no kick or e-start. Push-start!

I would blast anyone. And I mean it. Anyone. Especially those GSXR1100
squids (hey, I own one myself :-)

A real fast 2-stroke engine in a superhandling frame like the CBR600F2.
That would be a real blast. 

He,he,he.

Why I'm posting that? Because my RZ350YPVS is too slow. Way too slow. I 
don't blast geezers with it. I have a hard time against GSX600F. 
Does anyone has a 750ccm kit for the RZ?

Weel, too bad, you don't always get what you want.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Sport Bikes
Keywords: Spam
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.225338.26805@lclark.edu> garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich) writes:
>tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>>I really wanted to know. So I looked up the word Sport in the dictionary.
>>Here is what it said....
>>
>>   "To shoot out as liquid through a pipe; projecting tube or pipe for
>>    pouring liquid. A tube or pipe for leading off rain from a roof."
>
>I don't know what dictionary we was using, but mine shows the above descrip-
>tion for the word "spout" not "sport".
[...rest deleted...]

Hey Gary, that sounds like a "Webster's" dictionary to me.  How can you
trust a dictionary that, just last year, decided to remove the word
"gullible"?


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do I do with a new bike that has a toasted frame/forks?
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:51:02 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <JET.92Dec15172546@boxer.nas.nasa.gov>, jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
> 
> Well, looks like State Farm is going to total out my '91 CB750
> NightHawk.  Why?  When the estimate hit $4300 the shop realized it was
> going to be a total.
> 
> - Front forks bent a bit (*)
> - Instrument cluster banged up (*)
> - rightside exaust bent (*)
> - frame tweaked ("needs to be replaced" according to the shop)
> - rightside crash bar crashed (*)
> 


Well you can buy the wreckage back from State Farm and try to fix it 
up yourself or sell the parts.  You contact the adjuster and tell 
him  you want to make a bid.  If your bid is higher than the 
competing salvage auction, you win your bike.  However, you may 
find additional damage from the bike being towed back by the 
insurance company or intentional damage done by the bike shop. 
At a Honda shop I used to work at, the service manager would make 
sure that all insurance totalled bikes were in fact mechanically 
totalled.  If the insurance company totalled the bike and he knew 
he would not get the business of repairing it, then to spite the 
insurance company he would drain the engine oil and run the engine 
at high revs in neutral until it seized.  And no, I don't approve 
of his actions.  Just beware, I'm sure there are plenty of other 
shops that are run the same way.
.........Dr. Doom
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Ahhhh, bike fix, but no room at the inn
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:38:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.152836.14842@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>So here's the question: since I don't have a garage, I'm trying to
>come up with alternatives for keeping my bikes dry and happy for the
>short winter. The K bike is in storage, but I'd like to come up with
>something for the R bike since it's new. Has anyone had experiences with 
>covered trailers or those bike "homes" advertised in the rags? How about 
>places to buy used covered trailers?


"Hey, I hear someone's trying to revive the Indian Motocycle marque!"

"Yup, and them Indians are going to be after our wimmin and R-bikes.
 Time to circle up the covered wagons!"






-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: BFRIBERG@FINABO.ABO.FI (Nalle, RRMCC)
Subject: Re: Now here's something to keep you awake at nights...
Organization: Hack'n Slash
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:48:45 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <k21701.723975949@kyyppari> k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi writes:
> 
> As for motorcycling, these patronizing assholes want to kill it off
> for good. They proposed obligatory speed-, horsepower- and
> ACCELERATION limiters and ABS brakes for all bikes, annual tech
> inspections (even though the police says very few technically
> defective motorcycles are found annually), standardized and obligatory
> riding suits (preferably in signal orange or some similar colour),
> much more police speed traps, stiffer fines and sentences etc.

How about someone proposing similar shit for CARS!
Hbligatory yellow colouring with reflective stripes.
horsepower limiters (say, maximum 110 hp. That's all you need in any
situation, regardless of vehicle weight).
Standardized body work, no more small cars, large cars, short/tall cars, 
just ONE AND ONLY approved model!
Death penalty for drunk driving.
Death penalty for carelass driving.
Death penalty for ANY KIND OF DRIVING (that should cut traffic deaths)...
> 
> We don't want to be protected.

Patronized, the word is patronized (sp?) 

> And one more thing. Each year roughly 1,500 Finns decide to kill
> themselves. We are world's No. 2 in suicide statistics. If there's a
> genuine need to save human lives, a fraction of the costs of this traffic
> safety crusade would easily save 500 lives if spent on
> suicide prevention. This is a classic case of a bureaucracy trying to
> find itself a mission.
> If these measures become a law, maybe I should apply the DoD for a
> political asylum.

Why is it that every time the officials in this God forsaken country try to do
something, they always fuck it up totally. It makes my blood boil.
Someone please tell me what it takes to get a working permit in Austrailia (no,
I'm not joking, I'm getting out a.s.a.p.).
"I love my country, but I hate its' government"

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#Bike: Honda CB750four -72                   # I'll be gone when the  #
#Organisation: Road Runners MCC of Jakobstad # morning comes..."      #
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Subject: Locking rear (was Re: First ride in rain...)
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:33:43 GMT

In article <1gdg0oINN2f1@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
|> Which raises an interesting question (for me, anyway).  Is the only 
|> "officially sanctioned" course of action in the event of a rear-wheel
|> lockup to come to a full and complete stop, and then start all over 
|> again?  (This hasn't been an issue for me so far, as I've only locked the
|> rear when I wanted a full and complete stop faster than the bike wanted.)
|> 
|> What happens if you lock the rear wheel in circumstances under which a
|> full and complete stop isn't such a good idea (e.g., number 3 lane of 280 
|> southbound at 6:00pm in the dark)?

Raises a question I have...I know that in the MSF course they say to leave
the rear locked if you lock it, and look straight ahead and you'll go straight.
Well, the two times I've locked up my rear on the street it tends to start
sliding out to the right, I think because the road is sloped for rain runoff.
In the MSF course, on a parking lot, it went relatively straight.

I eased off both times I felt the rear start to slide around, and neither time
had any control problems. Two times does not a rule make, so what experiences
have you folks had?

-- 
----
Von Welch				NCSA Networking Development Group
vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu				(217) 244-3095

- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
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From: mikej@mikej.mentorg.com (Mike Johnson)
Subject: Re: Goldwings are darned interesting motorcycles
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:38:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

John Sloan writes a remarkably clear and reasoned article
on what GoldWings are good for.

John you have captured the essence of Wings.  Well said!

Mike Johnson
One who commutes on a Wing
mikej@wv.mentorg.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Any one got a gif of Jody Levine?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:57:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.232115.22401@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>
>i wanna better idea of what i'm bidding for.

It will have to wait till January.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: That Colorado Thing Again
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.232120.22741@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
|> In clari.local.pennsylvania.briefs article <Bpa-briefsURa18_2DG@clarinet.com>,
|> I read (and have reproduced it here without permission):
|> 
|> >	(PHILADELPHIA) - Philadelphia Mayor Ed Rendell has banned all city-
|> >funded travel to Colorado because of that state's passage of an anti-gay
|> >amendment. Rendell also says he will boycott the U-S Conference of
|> >Mayors meeting scheduled for next year in Colorado Springs... and will
|> >urge the mayors to move the meeting to Philadelphia.
|> > 
|> >	Rendell says his action was prompted by Colorado's passage last month
|> >of a constitutional amendment that bans legislation designed to protect
|> >the civil rights of gays and lesbians.
|> 
|> Like someone said in the helmet-law debate, money talks.  I hope Colorado
|> hears this statement.

no. according to todays paper the state is going to boycott
any city/state that boycotts colorado.........(or at least
some republican senator is trying to get the state to).....


OB motorcycle: i sure hope 2 gets cleared up (squashed) before
summer cause i would hate to be the only one sucking the keg
at the ride'n'feed.........actually i might not mind being the
only one sucking the keg.........but i would miss getting a ride
in with hesh.

laz
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: HELMETS
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:55:28 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA


 |>> My personal experience backs that up, also.  In three separate
 |>> accidents in the last 100,000 miles of riding, my helmet has been
 |>> completely undamaged each time.  Make of that what you will... Randy
 |>> Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11

Just how long do you figure your extremely good luck will hold out, Randy?
Or, do you have a written contract from Fate that says your head will never
strike anything with enough force to damage it? :-)

Or, let me put it this way. Since it is only circumstance by which your
helmet has never touched down, would you like to take the risk that it won't
the next time? Care to ride without the helmet until you go down the next
time, just to prove how safe your head is from receiving a mortal blow?

John

--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: OK, what should I get for the twisties?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.231918.9391@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>I was very grateful for, but disappointed by, the review of the
>GPZ1100 posted here by "Dave not James". So let me tell you what
>I am looking for:
>
>I already have an '81 Maxim 650. It has highway pegs, and I've added
>a windscreen and a good-sized trunk, so it is a more-than adequate
>commute bike.
>
>BUT I WANNA HAVE FUN!
>
>So I'm looking for something along the lines of a cafe racer. I want
>something that will be fun in twisties, that simply wants to lean
>into those corners of its own volition. But I don't want to ride
>with my knees directly below or behind my ass; no crotch rockets.
>I want a goodly amount of low-end power, but an absolute top-end of
>about 120 mph would be more than plenty; probably less would do.
>
>Lastly, I'd like to get something for around $3000 or less after it
>has been fixed up in tip-top shape (including tires). And I'd prefer
>that to have < 10000 miles on it.
>
>What does the great DoD/Wretch.Moto crowd recommend? Am I being
>unrealistic? I don't believe in the Bike Fairy, I want to know what
>is reasonable and what isn't reasonable about the above.
>

Depends a lot on how you define "fun". If you need to go faster than 
someone else, your choices are limited. If you just want something that
feels competent in it's own right it's much easier. For example, my old
Triumph, with Fox shocks and 1 1/2 inch spacers to preload the front 
springs, is a lot of fun for me on twisty back roads, but it certainly 
won't keep a CBR with a good rider in sight. The Moto Morini 350 feels
stable, with lightning fast reflexes, and is a lot of fun to ride, but
doesn't have the power to get out of it's own way on a steep hill. In 
short, anything with a stiff frame and quality suspension components, which
can often be added to an older cheap bike, may suit your needs. Maybe 
something like a KZ550. With the money saved by buying an old, no longer
popular bike, you may be able to do the necessary mods to make it quite
good.

Jeff Achenbach


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: scott@ictv.com (Scott Watters)
Subject: Re: 93 Honda CBR900RR Recall
Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.194055.11166@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>go f?ck a duck. all he was doing was trying to help.

Go f?ck yourself laz. I have no problem with him posting a recall
warning. I do however have a problem with someone calling me a "rice
jockey" while attempting to "save my life". I don't want to start
another Japaneese/German/Italian/American et al rider attitude flame
war, but I don't think the follow-up informing Seth that the recall
was old news was any flame at all. Telling someone to go f?ck a duck
is a flame. See the difference. Know the difference. Be the
difference, or in your case just different.

scott

-- 
Scott R. Watters      |  aka  scott@ictv.com  |                 1993 CBR900RR
ICTV  280 Martin Ave. |                       |                        #00132
Santa Clara, CA       |  go big or stay home  |
(408)562-9200         |                       |              Bridgestone MB-1