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From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Jul30.213156.17945@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:37:57

In article <1992Jul30.213156.17945@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:

   From article <1992Jul30.154805.21304@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, by patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie):
   > In article <1992Jul29.205029.6592@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
   > ...
   > Another consideration is the liability, even though it is less in many
   > States than in the Northeast. Rattler bites are rarely fatal (especially
   > from the smaller sub-species), but medical treatment is required. That
   > would mean that the thief survives but is caught - exactly what you want
   > from a liability standpoint. This is even more true of copperheads, but
   > copperheads have short fangs that won't go through much. Cottonmouths
   > are a little more deadly. With coral snakes, the fatality rate goes up
   > considerably.
   >

   Hmmm, from a strictly logical point of view, it may be better to
   have a dead burglar, although I suspect one will get sued either
   way.

Forgive me if I'm way off course here.  I missed the beginning of this
exciting discussion.

The problem with any kind of trap is that it doesn't necessarily 
distinguish between victims.  Have any of you considered that the
"intruder"  could be your neighbor,  a little drunk perhaps?  or
a teenager in on a dare,  or even perhaps (and here's where not
knowing the beginning hurts) your child or a pet.  

Your liability,  should you harm someone who is *not* clearly 
an intruder,  could be nearly limitless.

In case anyone finds what I say too difficult to imagine, as in "well,
how did my neighbor get in my living room then" may I suggest a
plausible scenario.  You neighbor, a 32 yr old married computer geek,
comes home drunk and tired some night.  To be legal, let's say he took
a cab and the cab driver didn't get the address right.  He walks up to
your front door and tries to open it.  He decides in his drunken
stupor that his key "must be broken" and looks for a window to let
himself in.  He does this and you pet rattler bites him.  He dies.

Not good enough?  How about this one:  Your neighbor's son,  an
energetic 15 yr old is playing baseball with his buddies and
one of them hits a home run through one of your windows.  Being
an intelligent 15 yr old,  he decides that even though you aren't
home,  there isn't any harm with using the key he happens to know
that you leave in the garden under a rock.  He gets caught in
a trap in your house.  He's permanently injured and needs 
care for the rest of his life at $50,000/yr.


--
Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org>		OSF/Motif Dev.
Snail:         11 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge,  MA  02142
Disclaimer:    I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it.
Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:58:54 -0400 
From: Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: New doggie -- Maltese

I got a new doggie.  Well, he's not really a new doggie, he's actually
quite old (10 years) but he's new to me. I took him in when his owners
had to leave the country (no, they aren't drug smugglers, they're going
to the Honduras to be missionaries !).

His name is Ralph (?!), he's white, his face looks like Gizmo the
Gremlin, and he's *obese*. He was rescued from a puppy mill where he'd
been kept in a tiny cage (too small to stand up in) and his "knees"
didn't develop. As a result his little legs don't bend. Sometimes all
four of his legs just slide right out from underneath him and and splats
on his tummy just like the cartoon animals! He just whuffs and gets up
and continues waddling along.

He's quite friendly, ignores the cat, merely "woofs" at Sugar when she
wants to play (leave me alone, I'm old and fat) and loves to sit in your
lap. The kids love him, Sugar isn't too terribly jealous ... all in all
it seems to be working out just fine. 

I've put him on a "dog food only" diet, hoping he'll lose some weight. I
took him for a little *slow* walk yesterday and the poor thing was tired
after 1 block. (whuff, whuff, whuff) He pants constantly and drinks a
lot of water. Is this normal for a Maltese?

Another thing is his nails are so long they curl (which doesn't help his
walking any), but I tried clipping them and the quick is really far out
and he bled. *oops* He seemed to forgive me pretty quickly, though. I'm
not sure how to help him.

I'm taking him to the vet's next Tuesday to see how his health is. The
people I got him from said he was in good health (he certainly had no
fleas or ear mites) and she gave me records from the vets attesting to
his having his teeth cleaned about 2 years ago and getting regular
vaccinations. I wonder if he was this fat last time they took him?

Any suggestions, comments, etc about Maltese dogs and their
personalities would be appreciated. Advice on a diet would be good, too.
I figured "no table food" was a good place to start.

--Barb--


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: z8tah@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov (Theresa A. Held)
Subject: vacation with dogs on beach
Reply-To: z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:46:29 GMT

Help.  

I would like to take a vacation in sept-oct on the
coast with my dogs.  I've been to Dewey,  Rahobeth (SP),
Bethany and Cape May before I got the dogs.  I would 
like to go this year with the dogs.  

What I'm looking for is a beach in the area that will
allow dogs on the beach and a house/condo/whatever
which will allow pets without extra high rates.
I am looking for a place for a week.

I have two medium size mutts who love to run and swim.
Ginger golden retriever/lab/? mix 50 lbs
Capers black lab/? mix 45 lbs

Any ideas?

Thanks for you assistance.

Theresa
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog food allergies
Keywords: allergy food itch
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Jul28.174900.613@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> pelli@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
(carol.s.furchner) writes:
>
>I've heard that there are companies that specialize in
>foods for allergic dogs ... unfortunately, that was before we had
>an allergic dog, so I don't remember their names.  If you know of
>any, could you supply name and address and/or phone number?
>
Carol, one company you may want to try is Nature's Receipe. They offer a
variety of hypoallergenic foods, including a Lamb & Rice kibble (but the
first listed ingredient is Wheat!) with no egg; a Non- Meat Kibble made of
rice, soy flour, vegetable oil, and carrots; a Venison Meal & Rice kibble
designed for dogs with food allergies and sensitive digestive systems contains
venison, rice, barley, lamb fat & digest, tomato pomace & venison bone meal 
(my vet reports good results with this food); and Lamb, Rice & Barley kibble
designed for dogs with wheat allergies. To find the closest retailer (and
frequently vets will order for you, if your pet store won't) call
800-843-4008.

Also, Wayne Dog Foods is now selling Sensible Choice, a lamb & rice kibble
with no wheat (don't have the info here to check on eggs). Will get back to
you later on this one. The price of Sensible Choice is quite a bit less than
Nature's Recipe. I'm feeding it to 6 of my Newfs now (just switched from Bench
& Field).
************************************
Marget Johnson

--
From: blalock@hpl-otis.hpl.hp.com (Travis Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: crates for older dogs?
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:57:10 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

In rec.pets.dogs, chris@bwilab3.UUCP (Chris Curtin) writes:

> 
> 
> Should you try to crate train an older (12-18 months) dog? 
> 
> We do not want a puppy right now and will be contacting the local breed
> rescue and some breeders to try and find a dog. 
> 
> The reason that I ask is that an ex-groomer that
> my wife knows told her that only puppies need to be crate trained and 
> that if you try to train an older dog they will get nasty.
> 
We got a spaniel/retriever mix from the shelter when she was about 10
months old (best guess).  We decided to get her a crate when she was
about 12 months old.  It took about 3 months to undo her natural fear
(she had not had good experiences with cages before we got her).
Basically, we just set the crate up without the door and let her explore
it at her own pace.  She started napping in it occasionally after about
a month.  After 2 months she was starting to treat it like a den and
sleep in it every night.  At this point, I put the door back on the
crate and every couple of days I would entice her into the crate and
close the door.  Each time I would lengthen the time I left the door
closed and of course I would praise her like crazy when I opened the
crate to let her back out.  Now she considers it her den and doesn't
seem to mind at all when we leave her in the crate for a few hours when
we are gone.

Lately we have not been leaving her in the crate when we leave since she
seems to be over her puppy age chewing tendencies.  I am still glad we
went through the training though because it makes crating her for
traveling very easy.

Good luck with your new dog!

Travis Blalock
blalock@hpl.hp.com
From: boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Boucher)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW!
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Boucher)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.pets.dogs, dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.154012.25785@news.unomaha.edu>, massey@odin.unomaha.edu (
>Dana Massey) writes:
>> Do you have mushrooms in your yard???????
>>
>> Dana
>
>        Or walnut trees?


No walnut trees.  I do have the mushrooms though.  I mailed Dana some
information on them and will wait for her reply.  Thanks, Trese
From: riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: crates for older dogs?
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <169@bwilab3.UUCP>, chris@bwilab3.UUCP (Chris Curtin) writes...
  > 
  >Should you try to crate train an older (12-18 months) dog? 
  > 
  >We do not want a puppy right now and will be contacting the local breed
  > 
  >The reason that I ask is that an ex-groomer that
  >my wife knows told her that only puppies need to be crate trained and 
  >that if you try to train an older dog they will get nasty.
  > 
  >Any comments or suggestions?

When we adopted our 3-yr-old German Shepherd from the shelter,
she was not crate trained.  However, we used a crate with her
and although she was very resistent to being put into a crate
at first, she now regularly goes in there on her own just to
take a nap or hover over a favorite chew toy.

I can't imagine any psychological basis for why crate training
an older dog would make them mean or aggressive.  I think the
groomer may have limited experience or maybe experience with
dogs in which the crate was improperly used.  Just start out
your older dog by always feeding them in the crate.  When
you must crate the dog during the day because you are away,
be sure to give a treat and also leave toys (chew toys, in
particular) so the dog won't be bored.  Be sure to issue
a standard command every time you put the dog in the crate
(we use something like "OK, Tara.... Go in your house!").
Remember that cadence of the command is as important (or more
so) than the actual word(s) you choose.  Pretty soon, the
dog will go right in and wait for a treat or toy!

Good luck.  And, speaking as a psychologist, I can think of no
reason why crate training an older dog would be detrimental to
the dog's temperament in any way.

Carol
riacmt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:01:18 GMT


Treatment in dogs is *surgery*, if possible, with removal of the tumor *and*
surrounding tissue and bone.  If the tumor recurs, radiation therapy is
used.  If surgery is not possible, radiation therapy is *tried*.  UC Davis
is working on a new radiotherapy technique which has been very successful,
but surgery is always done first.

WADR to the veterinary student, there is no connection between squamous
cell ca. and ultraviolet light.  This cancer is more closely related to
cervical cancer in women, and like that cancer, it is *suspected* that
squamous cell carcinoma is the result of a virus.  That is the current
thinking, but unproven.  Its cause can be considered to be unknown.

Nor is it a "skin cancer".  There is a difference between mesothelioma
(skin cancer) in humans and squamous cell carcinoma.  Squamous cell ca.
is usually found in moist tissues--in the dog, that's mouth, eyes and
genitals.
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Cool Dog Tricks Needed
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:47:22 GMT

In article <68nE02G71bgr01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
    bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
 
>  Kelly, I _am_ willing to make a small wager on                       thi
>s; I suppose we would both need the number of Stroh's PIO so we can
>independently confirm the breed. Let's say 1 year's subscription to
>AKC Gazette, Front & Finish, or OffLead?  8v) How about it?
 
 
Can I get in on a piece of this action?  Put me in for Golden Retriever
(mix ?).  I want a subscription to Gun Dog, what mag. would you like
if you win ?
 
;-)
 
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Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 40 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,udel.general,phl.misc
From: richard@ravel.udel.edu (Richard Gordon)
Subject: 2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks (East Coast USA) need homes
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:31:20 GMT

From the Rescue Committee of the Greater Valley Forge Rhodesian
Ridgeback Club:  As of this past weekend, two Ridgebacks now need
homes (Delaware Valley--near Philly and Southern New Jersey).  Both
are neutered males, one is 1.5 years old and the other is 8 years old.

Charlie is a lovable, energetic 1.5-year-old, neutered male who gets on
well with kids--especially enjoys romping with his owners' grandsons
(ages 2-11).  He's been raised in a family with two other dogs, other
pets, and kids and grandkids in and out of the house.  He needs a new
home because one of the owner's daughters has moved back into the
house, and 3 dogs + the extra people = a crowd.  The other dogs have
seniority, the owner rationally understands she has to place one of the
dogs, but clearly does not want to.  We have been negotiating with her
off and on for the past 6 weeks.  Charlie easily scales his 4-foot-high
run but has never scaled the 6-foot high privacy fence around the
property.  He does NOT run around the neighborhood.  The dog sounds
like he knows his manners, but still tends to be a little
enthusiastic.  If you know of anyone looking for a smart, independent
companion who will also make a good watchdog (favorite sleeping place:
top of the stairs looking out the window) and a good playmate for a
family of active children, let us know.

Rodney is an 8-year-old male whose previous rescue placement has not
worked out.  His adopted home has, we hear, refused to segregate the
cat food from the canines in the house--the three dogs got into a fight
over the cat food--results: owner with puncture wounds on two hands and
one dog with puncture wounds in ear and husband saying at least one of
the three dogs has to go.  I have met Rodney and have always found him
to be well-mannered and gentle--but that's always been in controlled,
neutral circumstances.  We are looking for a placement for him in a
home with either one not-too-dominant dog or no dogs.  We are less
optimistic about finding a suitable home for Rodney.  He's been through
a lot, so we are still hoping to find someone willing to provide him a
home through his "golden years."

Thursday, I pick up Charlie (guess I'm building a second dog run on
Wednesday).  We are only providing a foster home for him.  Another
club member is providing foster care for Rodney now.

Our club, the Greater Valley Forge Rhodesian Ridgeback Club, will help
arrange transport just about anywhere within a day's drive from
Philadelphia--after we have checked out the possible placement home,
that is.  For further information, send me e-mail (richard@brahms.udel.edu) 
or call my wife, Dana, or me at home in the evenings (302 996-6480).

Thank you for your attention.
-- 
Richard Gordon                             richard@brahms.udel.edu
CNS User Services, Smith Hall          or  gordon@udel.edu
University of Delaware                 or  acs02244@udelvm.bitnet
Newark, DE 19716 USA (302-831-1717) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jbh@anat.UMSMED.EDU (James B. Hutchins)
Subject: Re: My dog watches tv....
Summary: Beisbol been berrry, berry good to Kiri 
Organization: Dept. of Anatomy, Univ. of Mississippi Medical Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:52:29 GMT



>asher@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Terri Asher) writes:
>
>>I have two dogs, both mixes, but with mostly German Shepard in them (I
>>think).  Anyway, my larger dog stands just about eye level with where
>>our television is, and the crazy dog _watches_!  It's really pretty funny,
>>except that BELLa (stands for Big Ears and Long Legs, but together
>>it means 'pretty') stands right in front of the tv while we are trying while
>>to watch.  Her attention span isn't that long though, maybe a minute or so,
>>but she cocks her head first one way, then another, and she backs up whenever
>>they cut to a close up of someone's face, or change scenes....


Our Nor Elk mix Kiri (named Kiri Te Yappewa, after the opera singer, or short
for Kyrie Elaison, we're not sure which) is the first dog I've ever seen
watch TV.  I think it is unusual, but not unheard of.

Kiri watches nature shows, but prefers sound to sight.  For some reason,
last year, she decided to get excited about baseball.  When a game is on,
she charges the TV yapping at the top of her lungs.  She seems to be upset
that they are playing ball without her; she also gets upset at the guy who
waves his stick at her.

She especially prefers the highlights on the nightly local news, since they
show long fly balls and spectacular throws, two things of which she is a
conoisseur.

My wife and I are trying to figure out a way to take her to our AA Jackson
Generals' games without getting thrown out.  (Her bark is quite annoying.)

Jim
jbh@anat.umsmed.edu
-- 
Jim Hutchins                    []     E-Mail: jbh@anat.umsmed.edu
Dept of Anatomy                 []
Univ Mississippi Med Ctr        []
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey)
Subject: Re: Advice on Starting a Dog Cemetery
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:06:55 GMT

>> In article <l6lrmcINNq0j@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>> >
>> >My sister is trying to create an animal related business 
>> >and has hit on a pet cemetery as an idea. I think it's
>> >a great idea, but we are at a loss on how to start.
>> >So a couple of questions:

I am not sure that this may be such a practical idea.  Has she considered
setting up an amusement park for pets, where folks can bring their (live!) 
pets to play, socialize etc.  Sell doggie treats on the side.  May be much 
more fun than a cemetary.

Regards,

Vishal
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24249-knights)
Subject: Re: My dog watches tv
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:10:55 GMT


My dog has also done some sporadic tv-watching.  Normally she just
ignores it, but one night we were watching "America's Funniest Home
Videos" and there was a rabbit jumping around and Keerah ran over 
to the TV, stuck her face right in it, and followed the rabbit
across the screen with her nose.  Another time they had a hamster
running in a wheel and she did the same thing.  She also got
very excited over a Star Trek episode ("The Child," for all you
TNG fans out there), when they had some puppies on board for
the kids to play with.  They were making puppy noises and
Keerah again stuck her nose right in the screen.  The only
other reaction I've seen from her with the TV is that there's
a particular commercial (it's something to do with rice) where
the doorbell rings.  It must sound exactly like our doorbell
to her, because whenever this commercial comes on, she jumps
up and runs to the doggie gate and waits for us to go
answer the door.  From the last two examples, I'd have to
assume the trigger was the noise, but I don't know what it
was about the rabbit and the hamster that caught her attention.
Maybe she's a closet Bob Saget fan . . .


--------
Katriena Knights
"Have you not done tormenting me with your accursed time!"
                         -- Samuel Beckett, "Waiting for Godot"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,misc.consumers.house
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Reply-To: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:22:18 GMT

In article <DRAND.92Jul31133757@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand) writes:

>   > Another consideration is the liability, even though it is less in many
>   > States than in the Northeast. Rattler bites are rarely fatal (especially
>   > from the smaller sub-species), but medical treatment is required. That

>The problem with any kind of trap is that it doesn't necessarily 
>distinguish between victims.  Have any of you considered that the
>"intruder"  could be your neighbor,  a little drunk perhaps?  or
>a teenager in on a dare,  or even perhaps (and here's where not
>knowing the beginning hurts) your child or a pet.  
>
>Your liability,  should you harm someone who is *not* clearly 
>an intruder,  could be nearly limitless.

In the first place, keeping of an animal is not considered a "trap". You
are in exactly the same legal position you would be in if your pet boxer
put this "friendly" intruder in the hospital.

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George Patterson -  | If train stations are where trains stop, 
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From: boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Boucher)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: PERSONAL TO JAMES!
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:10:29 GMT
Reply-To: boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Boucher)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I was in the middle of mailing a post about my dog (Poppers) and somehow
lost it.  If you are the person who was giving me all that good advice
regarding allergies, etc.  (I think your name was James) please resend
so that I can post back.  Thanks, TRESE
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mtapio@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: WANT TO BUY BLUE GREAT DANE OR DOBERMAN
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:50:36 GMT

WANTED !

can someone advice me who to contact in USA in case I want to buy
a blue great dane or blue dobermann with cropped ears from USA ?

dogs would be for breeding and dog-show purpose in FINLAND.

please contact: kennel GENEDDA
		* blue great dane
		* dobermann
		MARJO TAPIO
		kellontie 90830 kello
		FINLAND
		tel.int.+358 81 470347
		        +358 81 402115
		fax.int.+358 81 470342
		or email:MTAPIO 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs