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From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:SOMALIA: ALL SET FOR U.S. MARINES LANDING IN MOGADISHU
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:10:52 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: North America
Title: SOMALIA: ALL SET FOR U.S. MARINES LANDING IN MOGADISHU


nairobi, dec 8 (ips) -- all preparations for wednesday's landing
of 2,000 u.s. marines in mogadishu, war-ravaged somalia's
capital, are ready, a spokesperson of the u.s. embassy here
confirmed late tuesday.

a number of air traffic controllers had taken up positions in
mogadishu to help the operation, according to the embassy's
political officer.

the marines are expected to take over mogadishu airport and
harbour and pave the way for an expected 25,000 u.s. troops who
will help secure the distribution of relief food to more than
one million starving somalis.

another 4.5 million of the country's seven million population
are also threatened by a prolonged drought and civil strife.

washington's offer of troops for relief operation in somalia
was accepted by the u.n. last week after two years of civil war
left more than 300,000 people dead.

fears that somali warlords would object to the u.s. troops
role in the country disappeared when general mohamed farah aidid
tuesday told the u.s. special envoy to somalia, robert orkley,
that he would not oppose the troops.

the somali population was also reportedly happy about the
u.s. troops and cheered as recoinassance planes swooped over
the somali capital.

meanwhile, the leader of the somali patriotic front which is
in alliance with aidid's faction of the united somali congress,
ahmed omar jess, has also welcomed the u.s. marines.

in a statement issued tuesday in kismayu, an indian ocean
port in southern somalia, jess described the situation in
the couuntry as ''complex with politics in turmoil''.

''we will welcome the u.s. security personnel under
u.s.command to assist us in the delivery of the humanitarian
assistance to the starving masses of somalis, and we shall
collaborate with them at the port of kismayu and the airport'',
he said.

but the u.s. embassy here said the troops will not allow any
armed gangs at the airport and harbour in mogadishu.

acceptance by somalia's interim president ali mahdi of the
u.s. forces has been welcome in kenya.

''we believe this makes it easier for the u.s. operation and
may lead to the quick removal of armed gangs in the streets'',
said james simana, kenyan deputy secretary in the ministry of
foreign affairs. (end/ips/ha/ar/92)
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From: tonyp@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Tony Putman)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:34:23 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.080009.3934@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za
> (Heidi de Wet) writes:
>>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>>>Except ofcourse that Blacks ARE not citizens of South Africa according to
>>>boer law.
>>
>>Well, doubtless you'll be delighted to know that the KwaZulu Police 
>>have been issuing automatic rifles to Zulu headmen.  The only problem
>>is, they're mostly used on ANC supporters, not on whites, and everyone
>>in South Africa seems to think that the endemic violence in the country
>>is a bad thing...  They obviously don't have the clear perspective that 
>>you've gained from being in the States.
>
>Trying to be sarcastic??

I would guess so.

>What is the logical difference between arming the 
>boere and arming IFP supporters???

To my mind, very little.  However, in your followup, you did edit out the
following, which appeared before Mweene's article.

>>>In article <1992Dec14.142549.6286@hippo.ru.ac.za>
>>> apj@beldin.sun.ac.za (Andries Dippenaar) writes:
>>>>
>>>>I'm no great expert either, but at the moment the law limits private
>>>>citizens (ie. *anybody*) to a maximum of 14 firearms per person.

The thrust of his article was that blacks are not allowed firearms, and
this was rebutted.  If you want to take the position that *opponents of the
regime* are not allowed firearms, this is a different assertion.  The South
African situation is *not* a black-and-white matter, and we may get a lot
further with discussions if people would stop pretending it was.

>Or are you confusing IFP with APLA???

Unlikely.

-- 
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  Dept of Elec Eng, UCT    :         Entrance not for Everybody
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From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
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Subject: DEMO VS U.S. IN SOMALIA 12/21 NYC
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:21:00 GMT
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Subject: DEMO VS U.S. IN SOMALIA 12/21 NYC
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


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Received Dec 15, 1992

                   INTERNATIONAL ACTION CENTER
                       39 West 14th Street
                           New York, NY

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: DEC 9

CONTACT: PAUL AHUJA                       PH: (212) 633-6646
     or: BRIAN BECKER                    FAX: (212) 633-2889

       DEMONSTRATION TO PROTEST U.S. OCCUPATION OF SOMALIA

                    MONDAY, DEC 21st 5:00 P.M.
                   HERALD SQUARE, NEW YORK CITY

A demonstration will be held Monday, December 21st at 5 pm at
Herald Square 34th & 6th Ave to protest the U.S. military
occupation of Somalia by thirty thousand soldiers. The organizers
contend that a massive relief effort was and is possible without
militarily taking over the entire country.

"After a year of doing nothing, while hundreds of thousands of
Somali people starved, the Bush administration suddenly decided to
militarily occupy Somalia- not so much to feed starving children
but to dominate the Horn of Africa and turn it into a another
strategic military base in the oil-rich Middle East." states
Monica Moorehead, a spokesperson for the I.A.C. 

"We would do well to remember the U.S. government, including the
Pentagon and C.I.A. have supported the most racist and reactionary
regimes in Africa, from the apartheid regime in South Africa, to
Mubutu in Zaire, to Savimbi in Angola." states Moorehead.

Moorehead also said that the Pentagon is staging this high-
profile operation to "showcase Pentagon capabilities" in order to
resist growing demands that the "bloated 300 billion dollar annual
budget not be significantlly reduced in the post-cold war era." 

"Ironically, Moorehead continues, the initial result of the U.S.
military occupation has been to shut down relief operations by
telling all relief workers to stay indoors for 48 hours, gravely
affecting hundreds of thousands of hungry people, according to the
N.Y. Times. Also, the house to house searches and the disarming of
people who've not been proven to be hostile is pure colonialism."

Moorehead also said that instead of spending billions on military
occupation" the people of Somalia and all of Africa deserve
reparations from western countries that got rich from centuries of
colonialism, plunder and enslavement."


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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: IPS:SOUTH AFRICA: MYSTICISM FLOWERS IN AGE OF UNCERTAINTY/RPT
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:52:46 GMT

>''it's phenomenal -- everyone's actually turning spiritual --
>there's a lot more people involved in this than before'', says
>a johannesburg clairvoyant with the unfortunate name of sasha
>posthumus.                                              ^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^

This Sasha- dude must be related to Gavan or Fidonet. Maybe Linda could
explain more....


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From: Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:50:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:00:41 GMT

In article <565@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Paul M Mweene, pmmst8+@pitt.edu writes:
>This would be the logical situation. Boer law allows whites to have
>18 guns , including grenade launchers and assault rifles, blacks are
>not allowed to come any where near a gun.

I've never applied for permission to own a weapon (nor do I intend to
ever own one) so I don't know the specifics of the law but I would be
interested to know your source for this.
--
Philip Machanick
Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
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From: rwatkins@sol.UVic.CA (Russell Watkins)
Subject: Email Link to Lesotho?
Summary: Suggestions, please?
Keywords: Lesot Email South Africa
Organization: University of Victoria
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:38:37 GMT

Could someone in Southern Africa please email me 
with an explanation of what would be the least expensive way 
for me to set up an email link for my sister-in-law? She's 
teaching in Lesotho, and does have access to computers and a phone 
line. I've looked at the Compuserve option, but with the long distance 
charges plus network surcharges plus CI$'s own prices this option 
might be rather expensive.  The online services in South Africa that 
I'm aware of are CSIR, World-Connect, and PTT-connect. What are 
their email options?  And what about setting up an external account 
with a university in South Africa for internet access?  Who would I 
contact to do this?
     I would greatly appreciate it if anyone with any answers at 
all would drop me a line.  Thanks in advance.
 
     Russ Watkins
 
     rwatkins@sol.uvic.ca
     rwatkins@mala.bc.ca
     70671.2306@compuserve.com
 










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From: getachew@yosemite.math.ucla.edu (getachew hagos)
Subject: Re: request for info on Haile Salassie, Ethiopia in the 50s
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 05:57:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.120633.12146@vms.eurokom.ie> ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.191654.13099@ntmtv>, wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec11.151817.16981@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> folasade@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Paul Anthony Browm) writes:
>>>In article pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>>>
>>>>H.I.M. Haile Selassie I, aka Ras Tafari, emperor of Ethiopia, a two
>>>>thousand year old empire, the only African nation to have resisted
>>>>Colonization. Check the library, you'll find lots of info, all well
>>>>worth reading.
>>>
>>>	Hey, I don't mean to be rude on this, but weren't the Ethiopians
>>>conquered by the Italians earlier this century?
>>>
>>>-A Poor questioning soul
>> 
>> And France was conquered by Germany earlier this century, but neither
>> France or Ethiopa was colonized.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> 	   Warren Watts
>
>The only sense in which Ethiopia wasn't colonised (if my memory serves
>me right) is that the Italian colonists settled in the coastal area
>which is really Eritrea not Ethiopia.

	Do you remember the saying, 'don't judge a book by it's cover'.
Well, your memory serves you right at least you remembered Eritrea, but
your knowledge is only the cover. Here is why you fit to this category;
Italy shamefully lost the war with Ethiopia in the late 1880's deep into
Ethiopian terrtories, the so called the battel of Adwa. An estimated 13-
15 thousand Italians died at this war. The remaining survivals run
away from the war and settled in Eritrea waiting for their time to die
or surrendered to come. On the mean time, the Ethiopians were once again 
organizing themselves to finish off the unfinished buisness in Eritrea,
however, the frustrated British and France was not happy about the 
defeat of a white European by a black nation, which lead them collectively 
declare war against Ethiopia if the Ethiopians do progress to Eritrea.
Concurrent to this fact, the Ethiopians had their own problem thus decided 
to discontinue the unfinished business for a while, which gave the Italians
buy time to stay in Eritrea until they finally got kicked off their ass.
Got it! 

G.H

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From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: IPS:ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:58:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.132257.15625@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:

   In article <Bz6sxo.2tp@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:

   >for example, argues bruce waters, critically-acclaimed films
   >by african-american directors such as 'boyz in the hood' and 'new
   >jack city' were rejected here this year.

   Good for Zimbabwe, say I.

   It is the values and attitudes portrayed in films such as these, and
   their mindless glorification by the sickos in the mass media, that
   have made the African-Americans one of the most oppressed black people
   on earth.  Any nation that wants to keep this filth well away from
   its cinemas, and the hearts and minds of its young people, is to be
   applauded.

********************************************************

I beg to differ with you on this one.  According to my own evaluation
a movie like Boyz in the Hood is a "good" potrayal of the life in the
gettoh.  The problem with the American movies which are approved for
viewing in Zimbabwe is that they are too steriotypical at least the
ones which involve the minorities in the United States.  Personally if
a movie like Boyz in the Hood is censored in Zimbabwe I do not see why
a movie like Tarzan should not be and let alone "The Rambo Series".  
	One wonders which was more violent "Boyz in the Hood" or the
"LA Riots".  Put in other words if the LA riots are the truth what
makes "Boyz in the Hood" censorship material.

Ndiyoyo,
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From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
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Subject: RE: wedding customs?
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:23:59 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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Q
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From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
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Subject: Re: wanted: local news for south africa
Date: 19 Dec 1992 17:09:12 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit) writes:
>If I were you, I'd just subscribe to the Meekly Wail.. That way you'd
>also get the manchester weekly guardian, and everything would be included


Sigh, I am afraid not. Guardian only for South African subscribers.
WM worth getting though -- although there delivery is a bit erratic.

Scott
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From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
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Subject: Re: IPS:ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:22:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Dec14.132257.15625
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <Bz6sxo.2tp@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:

>for example, argues bruce waters, critically-acclaimed films
>by african-american directors such as 'boyz in the hood' and 'new
>jack city' were rejected here this year.

Good for Zimbabwe, say I.

It is the values and attitudes portrayed in films such as these, and
their mindless glorification by the sickos in the mass media, that
have made the African-Americans one of the most oppressed black people
on earth.  Any nation that wants to keep this filth well away from
its cinemas, and the hearts and minds of its young people, is to be
applauded.
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Argentina to Send Troops to Somalia
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:21:00 GMT
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Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Dec 13 13:21:00 1992


Subject: Argentina to Send Troops to Somalia
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


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edlp 12/10

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman.  "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.

ARGENTINA SENDING TROOPS TO SOMALIA

Argentina is preparing to send troops to Somalia as part of 
the UN forces working to neutralize armed bands and distribute 
food to thousands of starving peasants in that country. President
Carlos Menem said he wholeheartedly supported the UN Security 
Council resolution authorizing the mission. (edlp 12/10 from AP)


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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: A question for blaks
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:42:47 GMT


Before I disappear for a while (if only to take cover until Pedro "RENAMO"
has been), I would like you to think about this as we enter the new year
(I don't give a shit about Xmas):

Suppose a white dude walks up to you and says: "You are great"!

What would your reaction be?

a. Would you take a lot of pride in this or would you be offended?

b. Do you think the reactions would be different if one was born in the US
   as opposed to being born in the Motherland.

c. Repeat the above with "white dude" replaced by "blak dude"..

Please don't give shit like: It's better to be criticized by a wise man than
to be praised by a fool. That's only true in dreams! A person can be 
color-blind only when s/he IS optically color-blind!

If you want to learn more about this phenomenon, try going to an interracial
cocktail party....

PEACE.
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From: chowning@acuvax.acu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Kenya On Verge
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:51:28 GMT
Organization: Abilene Christian University

I just received word from Kenya that the United States Embassy has told
American citizens in residing in Kenya to keep their bags packed.  They expect
a reaction from the military concerning the registered complaints of the
Commonwealth observers' that many candidates were picked up by police, held at
road blocks, or by other means prevented from meeting the registration
deadline.

Has anyone else heard any up to date news from Kenya.

--- Chelagoi
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From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: New Topic
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 08:05:37 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>The topic was what do you think of guys who go abroad and come home with
>white women.
>
>-Are the men who marry these women mentally colonised, seeking to have the
>white man's possesions
>-Does the African man (Not all but some) promote these values among the
>society by equating beauty with lighter skin. 
>-Would the above attitude be the cause so many skin lightening products
>(like AMBI) are sold on the continent because the women are trying to look
>"more beautiful" in the mens eyes.
>-Why is it when you see a brother with a white woman, she is usually
>mediocre.  Yet when you see a white man with a sister she is FIIINNNEEEE!!

All the points above say one thing to me: the most (only?) important 
thing about women is their looks.  It seems likely to me that the
men who prefer white women may do so precisely because they value
qualities other than looks, such as independence and (dare I say it) 
education; maybe the women at home should be striving for these 
qualities rather than buying skin lighteners?

[Dons asbestos suit and heavy disguise...]

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From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: IPS:ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:38:59 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <701@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.132257.15625@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
>>In article <Bz6sxo.2tp@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:


> Way back in the sixties, in Zambia (my home)
>and ZIMBABWE, just across the river, this same censorship committee happily
>and eagerly showed, free of charge, in unrban townships, villages and cinemas
>movies like King Kong and Tarzan.  These movies are very popular even today.
>Yet they depict far, far more mindless, unprovoked violence than does Boyz.

>The difference is that they are made in that blameless theme of the white 
>man civilizing the primitive black men. The pogroms in which a handful of
>"innocent" white massacre savage and murderous natives always form the 
>finale. This is true of even of movies like King Solomons Mine which I saw
>in Africa a few years ago.

>makala
>.


The above brings up another very troubling aspect of movies in Africa. 
With the amount of greed or just the blind desire to line coffers with
foreign exchange, some African governments are making ALL Africans look
bad by allowing degradatory films to be made on our soil.  Films like
"Sheena queen of the Jungle", "Out of Africa" and more I cannot name off
the top of my head but others I am sure can.  It would be one thing if
films that put Africans down were made in hollywood, then atleast we could
say "Hey its their money and they do with it as they please", but its
totaly another when these producers and directors are allowed to go and
make these films at home.
If we do not start looking out for ourselves, then we can only blame
ourselves for our portraial in the international media.

My two cents

Kiggundu.

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