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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.224250.6299@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com) writes:
>
>>The tiny nation of Uruguay has always been and still is a power in the
>>the world scene.  They have won two world cups, including the biggest
>>upset in soccer history when they defeated Brasil in the "Maracanazo"
>>final in Brasil in 1950.
>
>Small correction here: the 1950 World Cup was decided in a final but in
>a 4 team tournament. Uruguay and Brazil meet in their last match with
>Brazil only needing a draw to take home the cup. Uruguay won 1-0.

Still a small correction here: Uruguay won 2:1.

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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: FC Tirol
Keywords: where have they gone?
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:11:40 GMT

psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
>I must have missed s.th. about Austrian soccer:
>where did FC Swarovski (sp?) Tirol go?
>were they relegated? do they still exist?
>
>puzzled
>Michael

Sorry Michael, I should have elaborated more on this at the start of the
season. Sponsor Swarovski decided to pull out, because of heavy losses
(something apparently went wrong with a take-over of an American firm,
but please don't ask me for details). So FCS Tirol were restored to the
name of old, FC Wacker Innsbruck, and are doing rather well at the start
of the season, apart from an inexplicable loss against the FC Stahl Linz.
They have 3 new foreigners (Danek, CSFR, played there a few years ago, comes
from France (Le Havre I think); Lesiak, Poland, sorry don't know about him;
Been, Netherlands, last team Heerenveen I believe, eternal talent with a
serious lack of mentality).
I might as well mention here that DSV Alpine have been renamed DSV Leoben,
(bit quizzical, their full name now reads Donawitzer Sport Verein Leoben),
after Alpine GmbH (part of VOEST) reduced their sponsoring (pretty low anyway)
and a merger with a local amateur team Leoben (I think).

Cheers,
Karel

-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Polska liga, round 3
Date: 20 Aug 1992 08:15:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Of course we are reading this! Last season Karel was nice enough to post
the Polish results, so it's much appreciated that someone in Poland can post
reports.

Kent
From: nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Estonia - Switzerland
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:06:12 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

World Cup , qualification

Estonia             0-6 Switzerland
 22.Chapuisat 0-1
 29.Bregy     0-2
 46.Knup      0-3
 66.Knup      0-4
 67.Chapuisat 0-5
 85.Sforza    0-6
  I read in a swiss newspaper this morning that Switzerland is now favorite in 
  this group....
  A little bit ridiculous to neglect the other members of the group : Italy,
  Scotland and Portugal which did not yet have a match. (Malta is the 6th in
  this group and should really be an easy task for the Swiss).
  Although having 2 Bundesliga players in the team who scored 4 times in this
  match Switzerland has a long and difficult way to go. Italy
  and Scotland are my favorites. Even Portugal has good chances.

  Next match for Switzerland:

  9.9.1992   Switzerland  -  Scotland



Christoph Nieswand
E-mail: nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Maradona
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:59:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Yesterday there was a meeting in Zuerich concerning the future of Diego
Armando Maradona. There were Blatter (FIFA secretary), Grondona 
(Argentinian Federation president), Franchi (Maradona's manager), and
representants of Napoli and of the Italian Federation. The positions
before the meeting were these:

Napoli's and Italian Federation's position: "Maradona has a contract
with Napoli that expires in June '93. Therefore, Maradona has to play
with Napoli this season."

Maradona's position: "I will not play for Napoli anymore."

FIFA's and Argentinian Federation's position: "A solution must be found,
since it would be an awful pity for soccer if Maradona stays out of
playing for another year." (actually, I read this as: "We already have
few hopes to raise interest among the Americans for the '94 WC. If
Maradona, who is perhaps the only player they know, can't make it, we
might have no hope at all."...)

Now, after the meeting, there are striking news. Maradona let know
that he might come back to Napoli, if the club accepts some conditions
(which apparently include: more money, a house outside the city, 
personal training - separated from the rest of the team, and playing
only the matches at home). I still don't think that this would be the
best solution for Napoli, but anyway I'm sure that many Napoli fans
would be extremely happy if this comes true !

                                         Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"The sky is light-blue, since God is a Napoli fan"
V I N C I   P E R   N O I   M A G I C O   N A P O L I  !!!
From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:41:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.155525.24349@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:

<--------------------------------------stuff deleted-------------------------->

>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     ***-->The sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA**<--
>           and the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA IS A SPOILED, OVER WEIGHT DRUG
>           ADDICT, MARADONNA IS HISTORY, THE LITTLY SHITHEAD IS FINALLY OF
>           THE SCEEN. IT'S TIME FOR BIGGER AND BETTER PLAYERS.
>
>hey, incidentally Argentina did not make it to the final in 1982, Italy
>knocked them out.
>
>regards,
>
>mario s.

Hey Easy there.  The fact that you don't like Maradona since he is better than
any player ever born in your country does not give you the right to attack him
as brutally as you did.  He is a human being just like you.  All human beings
commit mistakes; but if God will forgive them, it does not really matter
wether you forgive them or not.

                                                             Later,

                                                              Fuad
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    ***-->the sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA<--***
                      And the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA
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From: lawarree@milton.u.washington.edu (Jacques Lawarree)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: La premiere division
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:56:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug18.114356.20037@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> neil@alpha.ma.adfa.oz.au (Neil Viney) writes:
>Here's a question for all the francophones on r.s.s.
>I have often wondered how the French distinguish between the
>Scottish Premier Division and First Division.  Nowadays, England
>also has both Premier and First Divisions.  Surely the French
>don't call them "la premiere division" and "la premiere division".
>What goes?
>
>Then again, perhaps it is not really a French problem;
>it is more or less a pretty meaningless and pretentious choice of
>names on the part of the Scottish and English.  Serves them right
>if the French neither understand nor care.
>
>
>Neil.

I would suggest 'Division d'Honneur'
I would suggest "
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From: rconway@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: celtic v dundee score so far
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:14:55 GMT


14 minutes played 

Celtic 2 Dundee 0
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: New things for the new English Premier League
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:51:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

There are a couple of new things for the Premier League which I haven't
seen posted here (sorry if they have......):

There are extra goalkeeper substitutes allowed (ie 3 subs altogther, two
outfield players and one goalie - only use 2 though (I think)). Previously 
only two subs have been allowed - which only extremely rarely included a
goalie.

Referees are wearing green (not black). (Whatever happened to
tradition......? :-)

gordon
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NBC....blah!
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:36:31 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Francis Stanisci) writes:
>
>Not to demean any of the other sports, but surely they could have 
>provided less coverage of some events, and in MANY cases left out all 
>together the "tear jerking" stories of each and every athlete that NBC 
>found to be controversial or of some special inspiration.  Had they 
>done so they could have found time to show more soccer and at a for 
>convenient time.
So true, regardless of soccer coverage.
Some of these were interesting, but not at the expense of actual sporting
events.  The videos were stupid and unecessary to draw an audience.  All of
this would have made very good pre-olympic warm up coverage, to tease fans
to watch the real events.  As presented, it was a waste of air time.
>
>It was also interesting to note that the first bit of action they 
>showed was a player being taken down, and another being carried off 
>accompanied by comments "...no lack of casualties.." or something like 
>that.  Are they trying to impress football (grid iron) fans so they'll 
>show interest, or are they trying to demean the sport further by making 
>it appear to be more violent than it actually is?

I don't think they were trying to demean the sport.  In fact, they probably
thought that they were showing the game as rough and tumble rather than
sissy-boys in shorts, and that it would impress the rednecks and grid fans.
(Note! Not my viewpoint, just a sarcastic comment.)

Besides, a trip or a stretcher takes less air time, and is less subtle than
a good attack, which might exceed the attention span of some of the peabrains
in the audience.  Oops, sorry.  Preaching to the converted again.

Matt
I can understand not showing whole games, but there is no excuse for not
showing highlights from each after midnight, at least.
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Player availability (was Re Uruguay)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 08:54:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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All Swedish pros has a clausul in their contracts that says that their club 
has to pay a heavy fee if they try to stop the player from playing for Sweden.

Kent
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English News: Sunday games
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:25:57 GMT

Oxford United player Jim Magilton is in hospital with suspected head and leg
injuries after a road accident in the early hours of the morning.
Magilton, an Irish international, was in collision with a vehicle as he tried
to cross a road in the centre of Oxford just before 3am.
He was taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital and is believed to have a
broken leg.  Manager Brian Horton has so far made no comment.


Premier:

NOTTINGHAM FOREST 1-0 LIVERPOOL
A superb goal by Teddy Sheringham in the 29th minute gave Forest a deserved
victory in front of a delighted 20,038.  The former Millwall ace picked up the
ball wide on the left, carried it into the box and let rip with a searing
right foot shot giving Liverpool goalkeeper David James no chance.
Forest were unlucky not to be awarded a penalty as Roy Keane appeared to be
brought down in the box by James.  Liverpool failed to find a way through
the Forest defence and have now not won at the City Ground for eight games.


Division 1:

BIRMINGHAM 1-0 NOTTS COUNTY (Att:10614)
Louie Donowa struck in the eighth minute to get Birmingham's campaign off
to a flying start.  The visitors began the match at a frantic pace but 
Birmingham's first attack paid off.  County's defence failed to clear Simon 
Sturridge's corner and Donowa pounced to drive home a volley from 20 yards.  
Neil Warnock's side hit the woodwork twice in the second half but failed to 
find the finish needed to grab a share of the points.


Man Utd manager Alex Furguson could be in trouble after making
comments about referee Brian Hill after the 2-1 defeat at Sheffield United.
Ferguson was fuming over Hill's refusal to award his team a blatant-looking
penalty. "We don't want him refereeing our matches again.
"We will be making a vigorous protest about this man," said Ferguson.
An FA spokesman said: "We will examine what Mr Ferguson is supposed to have
said before deciding whether any action is necessary."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Australia - Poland Semifinal Result
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:09:49 GMT

Lord Mick writes:
>From what I remember the game was full of niggly tackles and smothering
>tatics by one side only-Poland
>
>Mick

Maybe you don't remember too well, Mick. The first half was not
at all like you say. In the second half, yes, the Australians
were the attacking team, simply because they had to - they were
losing! Poles defended the satisfying result and waited for
conter-attack opportunities. And very succesfully, indeed.
This is very normal and it does not justify your accusations
of "cat and mouse game" and so on.

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Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Date: 18 Aug 1992 09:42:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I missed one game on my list.  However Argentina is behind (3) 
countries.  Your only correction is to (1) game that i missed.  Hardly 
deserving *caps* in a response.

You've got a serious problem, I don't know what it is, but you need attention.

No one has said Maradona was a bad player, even I have said he has 
potential, BUT, after what happened at the meeting with Napoli and 
FIFA, I decided to hold my positive opinions till Maradona shows that 
he is more then a spoiled self centered, egotistical brat!

He's no better than the big star football or baseball or basketball 
players who don't show up for training unless they get what they demand.

These are NOT the qualities of a *great* player.

Your facts are nothing more than under rated opinions.

Size of country has no place in this subject, just as size (as I 
believe you pointed out) has no meaning on the field. Talent is talent.
====================================================================== 
================
>World Cup Titles:
>
>Italy (3)
>Brazil (3)
>West Germany (3)
>Uraguay (2)
>Argentina (1), Hardly that impressive for a country that you rave about.

-->HISTORY, PLEASE READ HISTORY.  IT WOULD BE MORE WORTHWHILE TO SPEND
YOUR TIME DIGGING OUT FACTS IN HISTORY THAN SPENDING IT POSTING WRONG
FACTS THAT PROVE IGNORANCE.
ARGENTUNA HAS WON THE WORLD CUP TITLE TWICE.  1ST IN 1978 AND 2ND IN 1986
WHEN THE KING MARADONA WAS AT HIS BEST.  You are saying that this is hardly
inpressive for Argentina.  Argentina is at least six times smaller than
Brasil with a big-time smaller population.  I don't think 1 world cup
differential between Brasil and Argentina, taking into   --- consideration
the size and popilation of both countries.
AGAIN AND AGAIN I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO AND DIG OUT FACTS IN HISTORY AND THEN
COME AND POST WHATEVER YOU FOUND FRANCIS.

====================================================================== 
================
Response:  It's almost sad to listen to you.  Your such a pitiful 
person, who argues a point to death.  had I included the one game of 
'78' you still would argue the same thing.

how many more excuses will you come up with for your Argentina, besides 
size? There are still (3) countries ahead of you!  And Italy certainly 
is not a giant!  Nor does it have giant players (physically speaking, 
of course).

It's sad your devotion. Grow up.  Maradona is history!  Just like many 
star players before him.  There will be more, and probably better.

Up to now, all Maradona has done has been take take take!  When he 
GIVES back to the sport, as many *real* world class players, then I 
will have more respect for him.

Bye the way, you talk history, so where is your historical evidence to 
support your point?  You haven't presented any.

Yet those of us who have responded, have presented *plenty* to the 
contrary of your opinion.

You are the one that needs to get the facts straight!

Francis.

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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:23:00 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer) writes:

>How is the referee chosen for the final game?  Is it not possible that
>referee assignments were made at the *start* of the Olympic tournament,
>before the final teams were known?

No. Referees for anything else than the group games are appointed during
the tournament. Otherwise we might have had a Polish or Spanish referee 
in the final match.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner
                    We'll be back
From: EC33@lafibm.lafayette.edu (EC33000)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:06:18 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <2A9026D5.8374@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>In article <9208171259.aa24367@ingate.microsoft.COM> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>>From: Diego A. Maradona
>>
>
>-->HISTORY, PLEASE READ HISTORY.  IT WOULD BE MORE WORTHWHILE TO SPEND
>YOUR TIME DIGGING OUT FACTS IN HISTORY THAN SPENDING IT POSTING WRONG
>FACTS THAT PROVE IGNORANCE.
>ARGENTUNA HAS WON THE WORLD CUP TITLE TWICE.  1ST IN 1978 AND 2ND IN 1986
>WHEN THE KING MARADONA WAS AT HIS BEST.  You are saying that this is hardly
>inpressive for Argentina.  Argentina is at least six times smaller than
>Brasil with a big-time smaller population.  I don't think 1 world cup
>differential between Brasil and Argentina, taking into   --- consideration
>the size and popilation of both countries.
>AGAIN AND AGAIN I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO AND DIG OUT FACTS IN HISTORY AND THEN
>COME AND POST WHATEVER YOU FOUND FRANCIS.
>>
Fuad :
  Take a look at these facts:
Argentina:2,766,889 sq km        Brazil:8,511,965 sq km
   At least six times smaller? My calculator must be wrong because I get
only three.
  China: 1 billion people (1/5 world population): 0 World Cups
  Former Soviet Union: Largest Country in the World until 1990's:
       0 World Cups.
My humble conclusion: population and size have nothing to do with
World Cup titles.  It is much more complicated than that.


>>
>>Let us just look at facts before we talk cuz this will get other people to
>>respect us.

 It seems to me that you don't practice what you preach.



>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Name    : Fuad Joe Khoury
>>E-mail  : fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
>>
>>**************************************************************************
>>*---> The Sky is Light blue with white, so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA.<---*
>>                and the king ***DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA***
>>
>>
    King of what?  I want facts !!!  I want history! :)

>>
>.
>.
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Carlos Escobar
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From: craa26@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("J.McAllister")
Subject: Re: Small point
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.133809.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> 	I was in the pub last week and ended up talking to well know erse-hole 
|> Gerry McNee and he gave me an ***exclusive*** on the signing-on package this
|> new Albanian, Rudi Vata has received. Apparently it includes a Zonecard to
|> cover 3 zones (Peter Grant only ever got 2 zones), a single-end in Dennistoun,
|> some left over Mo Johnston shell suits when he got knicked for resetting them
|> and 30 pounds a week.  All in all this seems like luxury compared to Tirana
|> although when he saw Parkhead he thought he was back in Tirana.
|> 
|> 
|> Sandy Mackinnon
|> University of Strathclyde
|> Glasgow
|> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
|> 


As a season ticket holder at Celtic Park I  think it is ridiculous that 
Rudi Vata has been given a three zone travel card. He only needs a 2 zone
card. Denistoun, Parkhead and Victorias night club are all in zone 1.
He only needs to use the full 2 zone quota when attending away games
at fortress Ibrox and for cup finals at Hampden.

Peter Grant doesn't have a zone card. His part time employment as
a traffic warden (Peter the Pointer) entitles him to a free bus pass. 
Yet again Gerry McNee gets it wrong. Why do we listen to him?



John McAllister
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
craa26@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <2A8A04D9.3542@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>
 (--------------------- deleted --------------------------------- )

>If we want to be objective, no single football (I hate to say soccer) in
>the world come even close to Argentina if you want to look at the last
>14 years.  They won it in 1978.  They more than deserved it in 1986.
>They were runner-up in 1990.  They were in three out of the last four
>final match of the world cup.  It would be a much better idea for
>people to look at facts before they talk so that they don't make fool
>out of themselves.

My friend you must be living in a dream world. My facts tell me Germany (former
west) have been in all the finals since 1974 (except in 1978) and have won it
on twice. So what do you mean by " no country even comes close..............."
By the way i am a maradona fun



--
gallows
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