HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: a question
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:09:25 EST

In article <1992Dec11.125604.441@uoft02.utoledo.edu> sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu  writes:
>
>MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
>: i am writing to this group again because of one particular issue that was 
>: raised by <Bz1xFq.771@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>. the suggestion that was made to the
>: people of colorado was that they go back and reconsider their vote or clearly 
>: the boycott would remain. this suggests that the citizens of that state do 
>: NOT have a right to vote the way they feel and if they vote unfavorably 
>: they will be punished (financially). where is the freedom of speech now?!
>

This is similar to the governor's election in Louisiana a couple
of years ago. The people of Louisiana realized that if they elected
David Duke, a nationally known racist bigot/KKK dragon, to the 
highest executive post in Louisiana, they would be brande as a 
state of racists. They then voted against him to save New Orleans 
business/tourism. They aren't stupid.

The people in Colorado can say/vote anything they like. They shouldn't 
expect the rest of the country to like it, though. THat's what fredom
of speech is about.

C


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Bill Jenkins <wcj1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: How do you like my *postscript*?
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Gee, will your mommy post it on the refrigerator?  

BillJ
~~~~~
Bill Jenkins   wcj1@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael George Williams)
Subject: Re: a question
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:20:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.180157.461@uoft02.utoledo.edu> sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu  writes:
>
>In Reply To: olw7845@zeus.tamu.edu (WATSON, OWEN LAYNE)'s message,
>	     11DEC199217474702@zeus.tamu.edu, 
>	     posted on 11 Dec 1992 17:47 CST
>
>Owen -
>
>	Yes, the hatred & fear that burns inside you is a sickness, Owen, 
>and, as a Christian, I have nothing but the greatest compassion for you.  
>Jesus Christ tells us to love one another, saints & sinners alike.  My 
>heart is filled with Christian love for you, & concern for your well-being.
>I hope you find the way to peace & understanding, rather than continuing 
>in your sinful ways of hatred & judgement.
>
>
>						- Steve


YES!!!!!

 A hearty round of applause from one gay Christian to another.  You have
my support and my congratulations, Steve, for quite possibly having said
that in the best manner I've ever heard it said.  Just wanted to tell you
that.

Michael
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: To be obsessed
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.180958.9585@news.stolaf.edu> cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson) writes:
>My parents have told me on several occasions that i am obsessed with my 
>sexuality and with the politics that surround it.  They claim i am too
>visible and too out.
>...
>So, what do you all think? Is there a point at which one is TOO visible, 
>TOO out, TOO obsessed?

I think it *is* possible to be too obsessed about anything, in the sense
that it can make you into boring company.  Ever spend time with someone
who can't talk about anything besides their current thing, whatever it
may be?  Not fun.

However, I don't think that straight people (which I am assuming includes
our parents, forgive me if I'm wrong) are good judges of being obsessed with
being queer.  To many of them any mention of the fact counts as obsession.
If you have close gay or lesbian friends who think you're obsessed, then
maybe you should give it some thought.  Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it.

__   -paul asente
\/     asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Feminism:  a socialist, anti-family political movement
           that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their
           children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
           become lesbians.			-Pat Robertson
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: kwill@lunatix.uucp (Kelvin Williams)
Subject: Re: Me bashing
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:13:09 GMT

Summary: 
Expires: 
Referencesl: <17DEC199211402453@morgul.carleton.edu.>
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Distribution: 
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Keywords: 


I would just like to say, that you have a lot of BALLS to say
something like that.. Even though I do not look highly upon
homosexuality, I believe that a person should stand up for what
he believes and I just thought that when a person does
something like that he should be 'rewarded'.
From: Zekeman@do.not.hate.me.because.you.know.I.am.right.PRO.HETERO.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Hetero Jealousy Re: a question
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:47 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>	I'd like to do the same things heterosexuals do every day. 
> 
>--
>Steven S. Brack        |"But the greatest of|   sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
>2021 Roanwood Drive    | these is love."    |  STU0061@uoft01.BITNET 
>Toledo, OH  43613-1605 \____________________/    brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
>+1 419 GR4 1010        |  MY OWN  OPINIONS  |   sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu 

I would like to see your wierdo homosexual perverted silly lifestyle do only
one thing that heterosexuals are capable of;

I would like to see you sodomize you butt-buddy and have children!
Jee, I guess that you will have to adopt, (too bad), but hey there is hope!

If you can adopt a young son about the  kindergarten or 1rst grade age or
younger, maybe you could brain wash him into being a future butt-buddy when
he is an adult.  Why not, the educational system in New York seems to be doing
the same thing!

The Zekester,

They have the knowledge that justifies a perverted lifestyle, 
yet lack the wisdom to realized they are sick!

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:12:15 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1g5l7qINNcer@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> henrya@ucs.orst.edu (Jean-Luc Picard) writes:

| [ credible disclaimer about being open-minded deleted ]

|I've been associated with the military my whole life - either through my dad
|who has just recently retired from the military, or through ROTC.  I agree that
|gays should be allowed in the military, BUT (and here is the clencher), not yet.

OK then - when?  Next week?  Next year?  Next decade?

While your words are thoughtfully presented, you are missing the point.
We don't CARE how much it upsets the military.  Gays ARE in the military,
gays have ALWAYS been in the military, and always WILL BE in the military.
Period.  It's time to take our heads out of the sand and realize that 
military rednecks are going to be around for a L O N G time, just as civilian
rednecks will be.  We're not going to wait for the red carpet, because it
will be DECADES coming.

As for military-types not liking gays, let's just look at this for a second.
Military breeders have the same ratio of favorable vs. unfavorable opinion as 
civilian breeders.  There is NO shortage of straight guys who don't mind at
ALL when their contact with homosexual men involves anonymous, nonreciprocal
sex.  In AND out of the military.  Believe me - I know, and I know that you
know it too.

--
tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                               __
"Whoever said 'getting there is half the fun'                           \/
    has never ridden in a class 8 probe!" - K'Ehleyr
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp)
Subject: Re: Me bashing.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:57:46 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <1992Dec12.061221.16873@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (James A. Murray) writes:
[...]
>The fact is that this is a newsgroup with a homosexual
>identity.  The very fact that if one of your buddies at school
>saw you reading this "queer" stuff you would be guilty by
>association. Not fun.

so?  people see me reading this all the time.  If they don't like it they can 
bite me.

>I believe the question is not your sexual orientation, but why
>you feel the need to assure the readers of this group that you
>are "Strayt".

Umm. I didn't post that to assure gays I was straight:
        a. you should know my sexual orientation if I'm going to be posting
           on a newsgroup like this- so as not ot create confusion.
        b. I have the same sig. file *everywhere*.  Alt.cyberpunk, etc.
        c. I'm NOT gay, and would prefer that people know that.  Not because
           it bothers me- but because I don't like to be misrepresented.

> I believe that your curiosity is well met and

Curiosity?  The only reason I'm here is to.... hell, I don't even *know* why 
I'm here.  Mainly it's just to show that there are straights out there that 
*do* support homosexuality.  I don't know.  But curiosity is WAAAY down there 
on the list, not a major motivating factor.

>I hope that you can find the strength to be Ethan first, and
>disregard the labeling of others.

Hell.... I usually wear a leather jacket with combat boots and have a mohawk.  
I could care less.  I just prefer to keep from misrepresenting myself.

ETHAN

-- 
Ethan Knipp                   |        ***PANIC NOW-AVOID THE RUSH***
The Unbeliever                |   "It's the end of the world as we know it/
eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu |    and I feel fine"-R.E.M.
****************Whatever I say, I say.  Deal with it.**********************
From: Zekeman@do.not.hate.me.because.you.know.I.am.right.PRO.HETERO.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: a question
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:30:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>	I'd like to do the same things heterosexuals do every day. 
> 
>--
>Steven S. Brack        |"But the greatest of|   sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
>2021 Roanwood Drive    | these is love."    |  STU0061@uoft01.BITNET 
>Toledo, OH  43613-1605 \____________________/    brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
>+1 419 GR4 1010        |  MY OWN  OPINIONS  |   sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu 

I would like to see your wierdo homosexual perverted silly lifestyle do only
one thing that heterosexuals are capable of;

I would like to see you sodomize you butt-buddy and have children!
Jee, I guess that you will have to adopt, (too bad), but hey there is hope!

If you can adopt a young son about the  kindergarten or 1rst grade age or
younger, maybe you could brain wash him into being a future butt-buddy when
he is an adult.  Why not, the educational system in New York seems to be doing
the same thing!

The Zekester,

They have the knowledge that justifies a perverted lifestyle, 
yet lack the wisdom to realized they are sick!
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: a question
From: sbrack@jupiter (Steven S. Brack)
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:56:03 EST
Reply-To: sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
: i am writing to this group again because of one particular issue that was 
: raised by <Bz1xFq.771@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>. the suggestion that was made to the
: people of colorado was that they go back and reconsider their vote or clearly 
: the boycott would remain. this suggests that the citizens of that state do 
: NOT have a right to vote the way they feel and if they vote unfavorably 
: they will be punished (financially). where is the freedom of speech now?!

	The people of Colorado took an action.  That action had both positive
	and negative consequences, defined by their point of view.  They 
	chose to take the action despite the consequences it had.
	The consequences *did not* prevent them from voting their opinion.
	If you weigh the consequences of your action, then take the action,
	you should be prepared to live with the consequences of your action.
	That's called responsibility, and it used to be one of the foundations
	of democracy.  Now, people blame the politicians they voted for; 
	People enact term limits beacuse they don't want to take 
	responsibility for voting the bad ones out; People don't want to 
	take responsibility for the government or the laws they create. 

--
Steven S. Brack        |"But the greatest of|   sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
2021 Roanwood Drive    | these is love."    |  STU0061@uoft01.BITNET 
Toledo, OH  43613-1605 \____________________/    brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
+1 419 GR4 1010        |  MY OWN  OPINIONS  |   sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu
From: japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: a question
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:09:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>i am writing to this group again because of one particular issue that was raise
>d by <Bz1xFq.771@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>. the suggestion that was made to the peopl
>e of colorado was that they go back and reconsider their vote or clearly the bo
>ycott would remain. this suggests that the citizens of that state do NOT have a
> right to vote the way they feel and if they vote unfavorably they will be puni
>shed (financially). where is the freedom of speech now?!


   My misguided and utter clueless friend:

The last time I checked, we didn't live in a perfect democracy. We lived
in a republic. And the last time I checked, our economic system was
capitalism.  And that, my friend, is capitalism and a little politics.

Ever hear "Buy American!"??? Heh. Well... what about those poor Japanese
who are gonna lose their jobs cause we bought American? No, I think not.
Those people in Colorado made their chose, and it was the wrong one.
The people have been wrong before, they will be wrong again (ie: You),
and well, that's just the way it is.

It is every much our right to boycott Colorado as it is for them to dis-
criminate against us.  If you don't think so, better check yer definition
of "Free Speech" at the door....

							*growl*
							  RJW
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: mfox@adobe.mv.us.adobe.com (Martin Fox)
Subject: Re: a question
Organization: Adobe Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:06:51 GMT

MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu states:
>                                       the suggestion that was made to the peopl
> e of colorado was that they go back and reconsider their vote or clearly the bo
> ycott would remain. this suggests that the citizens of that state do NOT have a
> right to vote the way they feel and if they vote unfavorably they will be puni
> shed (financially). where is the freedom of speech now?!

No one ever said that freedom of speech meant you could say how you feel
without someone disagreeing with you.

The people of Colorado do have the right to vote the way they feel. And
those who don't agree with them have the right to say so and call for a
boycott. And everyone else is allowed to boycott them or not, as they
wish.

Seems to work OK to me.

Martin Fox

(P.S. Please learn to use your shift key and editor/news poster.
Bad typing and arbitrary line breaks do not improve your credibility.)
From: news@ossi.com (OSSI Newsstand)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:27:18 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheops.ossi.com

ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu (The Dreamer) writes:

>In article <1g5l7qINNcer@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, henrya@ucs.orst.edu (Jean-Luc
>Picard) says:
>>
>>Hi.  I'm in Air Force ROTC and I would just like to make a couple of comments
>>on gays in the military.  First of all, I am not anti gay - I live in Oregon
>>where measure 9 was thankfully put down (unfortunately just to be fought again
>>in another 2 years or so), I donated time and energy to help explain to people
>>what this measure would do and mean to not just the homosexual population, but
>>the whole population of Oregon (as far as setting a precedent goes).
>>
>     Very commendable IMHO.

>>I've been associated with the military my whole life - either through my dad
>>who has just recently retired from the military, or through ROTC.  I agree
>>that
>>gays should be allowed in the military, BUT (and here is the clencher), not   .
>>yet

> (Goes on to explain that the current attitude in the military is generally
>  anti-Queer and that Queer people would be a target for attack.)

>     First of all, there already are queer people in the military (let's not
>forget bisexuals and lesbians).  Getting rid of the ban on them in the
>military would allow them to come out of the closet if they wish and not
>have to worry about being thrown out of the service.  They will, however,
>be harassed and beaten and possibly killed, but that is a risk that some
>of them will take willingly.
>     What we really need is education.  I think that all branches of the
>military should educate its members about queer people in an attempt to get
>rid of rampant homophobia.


Well, I notice that since the tailhook incident, the US Navy has become VERY
intent on educating its personel as to what apropriate behavior is. Agressive
is a term apt to describe the US Naval "Re-education" program in progress.
There is no reason the same can't work on other matters.  The pentagon has to
decide that it is important enough to launch the program. So lets tell them to get
off their overstuffed asses and get to work! 
If the joint chiefs of staff want to quit, let them throw their childish temper 
tantrum!  There are plenty more guys out there to replace them!

-texx

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From: henrya@ucs.orst.edu (Jean-Luc Picard)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: how do you like my postscript
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:08:39 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

I'm a heterosexual sympathetic to the homosexual movement, but gee-whiz people,
your giving this Zeekster guy exactly what he wants - attention.  He's no
different from a child trying to get people to notice him by putting on a 
display he knows will anger people.  Now that we all know that, treat him
like the child he is, and since you cant give him a spanking, IGNORE HIM.
If he posts again, DONT read his messages, just hit 'n' or whatever.  I
If you DO reply to him, heaven knows that he's the closed minded type of person
who is NOT willing to listen to others, then you are just as bad as he is,
egging on for a fight.

There, I've said it, I've been wanting to say if for a while.  Now can we
all move on to something at bit more important?  Pretty please?

*Direct all flames directly to the garbage can.  I don't have time to read
garbage like this, or that.  Thanx

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Your Name Here <NetID@cornell.edu>
Subject: anyone read "Max Desir"?
X-Xxdate: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01: 09:33 GMT
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:05:55 GMT
From: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: a question
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 

TO THE DREAMER:


TD>The KKK decides to have a bake sale.  Would you blame a Black person for not
TD>buying anything?  Would you blame him for telling other people not to buy
TD>anything because of what the KKK believes in?  I didn't think so.

TD>     Love and Peace and Tolerance,
TD>            -The Dreamer-

Hmmm,  The gut you were responding to probabbly belongs to the KKK
anyway.  When will these morons realize that we are not fighting for
"SPECIAL RIGHTS".  Do they really belive (BLINDLY) in what every
homophobe says without finding out what the FACTS are?

Whoops!  Never confuse a BIGOT with the facts!!
---
 . DeLuxe. 1.21 #777sa . Obstacle of progress is the illussion of knowledge
From: news@ossi.com (OSSI Newsstand)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: 'phobe parent, help!!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:44:34 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheops.ossi.com

avril@chopin.udel.edu (April Christi Clark) writes:

>Hi, I'm in terrible need of advice and your group seemed the best place to
>look.

>I am a first-year college student about to return home for the winter. I am a
>straight female; my best friend (who is part of the story) is a gay man. Last
>summer I made the dreadful mistake of telling my parents about my friend,
>whose name is Michael. Okay, I should be shot for that but it is in the past 
>and I can't do anything about it.

>The thing is, when I told them I had no idea what a total homophobe my 
>stepfather is. My mother is more tolerant, but the issue caused my parents
>to arugue and then I was blamed for their fighting. 

Why are you to blame for your parents fighting?  If your stepdad wants to act
like a child and fight, it is not your fault.  Remind your Mom that you are 
not asking your Dad to hang out with Mike.  And it was not your idea for
your stepdad (I assume he did) to start the fight. Your step Dad must not
love you much for starting all these fights and not accepting you as you
are -an understanding human being.  
Your step dad has offered you a gift that you choose not to accept.  You chose 
not to accept his gift of verbal abuse and biggotry.  Therefore, the gift
still belongs to him.

>My stepfather basically
>told me not to see or talk to Michael any more. I know this probably would
>not phase many of you reading, but you are stronger than I am. Number one, 
>I got _so_ tired of arguing with my parents that I started just lying about
>where I was going to avoid the subject. Two, if my parents started fighting 
>about it again I would be to blame.

Don't argue.  Stay calm, when they yell, remind them that you are not yelling.
Why are they? "Mom, you and I are adults.  I will not act like a child and
fight."

>Here is my problem in a paragraph. I have to go home, no question. I miss Michael 
>too much. But I don't want to lie to my family anymore. I am sick of
>that. But I hate the fighting so much.

Let me guess: "You are under my roof, so you must tell me who you are going to
visit!" Right?
You may have a problem there.  If thats not the problem, then you are going
to visit "friends".  I wish I had a good work around for this one.
Above all stay calm when the yelling starts.  It drives parents nuts when
you suddenly look like an adult and they appear to be the screaming brats.

>Please do not think I am a loser weinie wimp for not sticking up for
>what I believe in. I try my best to do that in every other area--except at 
>HOME. My parents are scary creatures. Please somebody understand.

>I would appreciate any advice from anyone as I return home for the
>holidays (sigh). Please reply through the mail. Even if you have no words
>of wisdom to offer, I'd love any email hugs. :)

>Thanks sooooooo much,
>April (avril@chopin.udel.edu)


-texx

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