From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Still not addressing the original points made, "Karl_Kleinpaste".
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 17:57:02 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BzvzM5.HFr.2@cs.cmu.edu> Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu writes:

>First and foremost, I wrote an article dealing quite specifically with
>a news.admin.policy question.  It was written exclusively to n.a.p
>with no redirected followup.  Yet the largely content-free response to
>that note from Monsieur Argic managed to blossom into a posting to
>	talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,
>	soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,news.admin.policy
>with followups aimed at soc.culture.turkish.  And the response still

Don't bother. The issue here is not my title. It is your total 
irrelevance, and insistence on not understanding what the other 
person is saying. Of course, I will agree that it is always easier 
to insult the person, rather than address their points, but it 
starts getting boring really fast. Let me further improve this
one for you. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish 
people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the 
oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions
culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its 
Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered
and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one
thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks
and Kurds. 

The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.

Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and 
Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.

Today, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its 
predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against 
humanity.

x-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims 
by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.

Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands,
to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer 
        No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
        (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, 
        Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)

'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.

"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
 Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
 have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
 have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at 
 almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
 Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
 slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
 save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
 events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
 taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people 
 well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
 places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
 They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
 Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
 problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
 who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and Alexander 
 Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. 
 Almost the whole city is destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills 
 the air. Although there are speculations that Armenian gangs murdered 
 Austrian and German prisoners as well, I could not get the supporting 
 evidence in this regard, but there is proof of murdering of Turkish 
 prisoners of war."

                                                     Dr. Stephan Eshnanie

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)