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From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA women in TV commercials
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:47:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

There is Farland Chang ( AA male ) of a Philadelphia TV News  Broadcast.

Denny.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racism against WHITE in China??? (was Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:15:06 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu) writes:
>In article <6242@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>> ......stuff deleted.........                     
>>                                Whites also have to pay a higher
>>premium than native Chinese for just about everything.  Example:

>  It is true that foreigners, white or not, pay higher prices
>  for many services, including train tickets.

When I was in China in the summer of 1985 with a school group we wanted
to fly to Xian from Beijing instead of taking a train.  All of us except
on of the teachers (she was a Taiwan citizen) were Americans.  We were
told the white people on the group had to pay about twice as much as
the Chinese-Americans.  We ended up not taking the plane but we were told
it would be more expensive for the whites.

I questioned the policy.  I was told the reason for the policy was to
encourage overseas Chinese to travel in China.  I especially wanted to know
which fare mine would be since I am only half Chinese.  They said half is
good enough for the Chinese rate.

I dispute what Kai Chiu says.
It is possible that we were misinformed but I do not think so.

I have noticed in my travels that racial discrimination is quite acceptable
in many places, not just China.  This is not to excuse China's behavior
but to defuse some people's arrogance.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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Date: 22 Aug 92 12:59:56

In article <BtE2sJ.Bv7@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu) writes:

>I know this probably sounds a little idealistic, probably because
>it is, but how about defending your honour by not stooping to 
>violence. You know, turn the other cheek, love your enemy and 
>all that. 

>Ghandi let a whole nation to independence through a campaign of
>non-violent protest.

And then got shot...
--
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Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.133733.23270@natinst.com> fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:
>
>Racial Beating
>
>Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
>
>   CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. (AP) -- Five men were being held without bond Tuesday in
>the fatal beating of a Vietnamese college student who was chased down like "an
>injured deer" after he objected to a racial slur, police said.
>   Luyen Phan Nguyen, 19, a pre-med student at the University of Miami, died
>Monday of head wounds suffered when he was chased and beaten outside a party
>Saturday night.
>   "It started off with some young guy wanting to be a tough guy, and everybody
>just got involved," said Detective Jim Milford. "They chased him down like a
>hunter chases down an injured deer. It was like a mob scene."
>   Someone at the party started making racial slurs, said Sgt. Jeffrey Maslan.
>Nguyen said something and the dispute escalated, Maslan said.
>   "He was defending his honor," he said.
>   Nguyen never emerged from a coma, officials at Broward General Medical Center
>said.
>   Nguyen's family left Vietnam in 1980 and settled in Coral Springs six years
>ago. He had hoped to become a doctor like his father.
>   About five percent of Coral Springs' 81,000 residents are Asians, Maslan
>said.
>   Christopher Anderson, Terry Jamerson, Warren Mills, Michael Primato and John
>Liptak were all charged with second-degree murder Monday and were being held
>without bond at the Broward County Jail. Jamerson is 20 years old, and the
>others are 18.
>   Police said they anticipated additional arrests. "We feel the five are the
>key players, but there were others that got in a punch," Maslan said.
>   Mayor Jeanne Mills criticized those at the party who apparently did not step
>in to stop the beating. "That inhumanity is about as upsetting as the beating
>itself," Mills said.
>
>
>
>-- 
>                                     _ _
>---------------------------------ooo--U--ooo------------------------------------
>fellow@cs.utexas.edu  Standard disclaimer applies. My opinions are, simply mine.
>fellow@natinst.com            Down with racism. Down with imperialism.  


[Sarcasm warning]
See.  This is what happens when you see racism and evil thoughts
in everything.  Why be offended if someone calls you names.  You
should just smile and not see racism where there might not be any.
Love your neighbors.  If you cause trouble, get angry at racism,
you end up dead.  What good does that do?  We should just keep quiet
and not get the Americans upset.  After all, we're lucky to be in
this country.
[Sarcasm off]
When will the killing end?
						--Alan Hu
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:24:22
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
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In-reply-to: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com's message of 13 Aug 92 17:37:01 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.173701.18896@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) writes:

> Yeah, I'll probably make a point or two about prejudice or awareness in
> them.  Can't help it, I guess.

  I saw some children's books mentioned on a local TV show, I think it
was "Asian Focus".  The books showed the various cultural rituals of
different places, e.g. Chinese New Year celebrations and so on.  I
don't think there were any direct lessons about prejudice in there;
just trying to help kids be aware that people are very different in
different places.

> I certainly do.  She was a refreshing breath of fresh air on this newsgroup,
> wasn't she?  In fact, I still have posts of hers from her undergrad days
> at U of XXX.

  Well then, that was at least a year ago.  Boy, where do you get all
the disk space for these archives? :-) Or have you started going to
tape too?

> >well, i tried locating her a few seconds ago.  apparently, she is no
> >longer here at bnr.
>
> That's too bad.  But I guess that's good for her.

  No, she still works at BNR.  (At least she still did last week).

  I also do not give out people's names without asking them.  If she
wants to say something here again, she will.  But I will let her know,
maybe she will be flattered that we are all talking about her. ;-)
--
Dave Hiebeler                  | hiebeler@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:51:43
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In-reply-to: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of 13 Aug 92 03:45:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.034552.2450@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

> Mr. Thao, I recall that there was a Vietnamese-American lady who
> worked at BNR.  She posted about 6 months ago, complaining of
> boredom and disinterest in her job.  To use her words, she
> was "tired of fighting the switches"; she apparently was testing
> digital switches at the time.

  The person you are referring to is a friend of mine, whose name is
not Laly Thao; not even close.  No need to go to the archives. :-)

> I had suggested that she come to California to work as a 
> spokesmodel for Nissan.

  Hmmmm... why suggest that a scientist/engineer become a spokesmodel
for Nissan because she was not satisfied with her job?

--
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Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:39:37 GMT

In article <HIEBELER.92Aug13125143@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com
(Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.034552.2450@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>> Mr. Thao, I recall that there was a Vietnamese-American lady who
>> worked at BNR.  She posted about 6 months ago, complaining of
>> boredom and disinterest in her job.  To use her words, she
>> was "tired of fighting the switches"; she apparently was testing
>> digital switches at the time.
>
>  The person you are referring to is a friend of mine, whose name is
>not Laly Thao; not even close.  No need to go to the archives. :-)

What's her name?  I forget; it was so long ago.  It was "Doan"
or something like that.

>
>> I had suggested that she come to California to work as a 
>> spokesmodel for Nissan.
>
>  Hmmmm... why suggest that a scientist/engineer become a spokesmodel
>for Nissan because she was not satisfied with her job?

Because she complained that her current career as an engineer
was unsatisfactory and that she would like to meet more people,
so I thought that working as a spokesmodel for Nissan in California
(or similar people-type occupation) would satisfy, depending on her looks,

(1) meeting more people
(2) earning high pay
(3) being not so demanding in terms of effort

She also mentioned that she wanted to meet more Oriental faces (I think),
so I suggested California.

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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: "Caucasian" vs "White" (was Re: Caucasians don't understand)
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:25:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The RAND Corporation

I think we should keep in mind that terms like "Caucasian," "Mongoloid,"
and "Negroid" came out of the highly fanciful racial theories of 19th
century European and American (white) scientists.  For example, a certain
Dr. Down was convinced that certain forms of mental retardation were
the result of reversion to more "primitive" races--and thus labeled
"Mongoloid" people who are today labeled with "Down's Syndrome."

I don't think most modern anthropologists (to their credit) give these
catagories much weight any more.  But the terms have gone into the
vernacular, and are still taught by ignorant primary and secondary
school teachers (much like the turn-of-the-century theories of grammar
and mathematics commonly taught in schools).

By the way, the term "Caucasian" originated with the erroneous belief of
German anthropologist Johann Blumenbach, who first claimed that the
Earth's fair-skinned peoples originated from the Caucasus.

At least some modern geneticists claim that, for example, people from
Northern China are more closely related to Europeans than to, say,
Polynesians, even though 19th century racial theories would classify
them both as "Mongolian."  The jury is still out, of course, but one
can at least say that enough is known about human genetic diversity
to blow the "traditional" theories of race right out of the water.

Given the mind-set of the men who originally formulated what are still
commonly held (though now unscientific) theories of race, I suspect that
if those men had never seen red hair and green eyes before they would
have classified such people as an entirely separate race. "Race" is
arbitary, based on a few superficially observable common features in a
given population.  In terms of genetic diversity, there is ten times the
variation within the races as between some hypothetical average of two
races.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
From: dgama@zooid.guild.org (Kevin Page)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: greetings
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:36:39 GMT

A Blonde gal was standing at the foot
of the down escalator in a department
store, staring intently at the moving
handrail.
    "Is there anything wrong, my dear?" asked the Chinese Hunk.
    "No,sir," the blonde gal said. "I'm just waiting for my gum 
to come back."
From: shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Cut out this "ORIENTAL" stuff, just call me "Chink" (Was Re: ORIENTALS???????)
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:36:47 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.

In article <25446@dog.ee.lbl.gov> John Scott <jscott@Aztecridge.LosGatos> writes:
   Whenever I call an oriental "oriental", I always get told to say Asian
   instead.  I just don't understand what the big deal is with you
   orientals!!!  I always ask for a legitimate reason but never get one.  I
   hope someone on this newsgroup could give me a reasonable explanation. 
   Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with calling Korean, Chinese, and Japanese
   people "oriental."

Jeez ... why don't you just cut out the "Oriental" stuff and call me
"Chink" -- it's a lot more straightforward, and less ambiguous.  Frankly, a
lot more accurate too -- none of this mumbo-jumbo pussyfooting around with
implied exoticism and thinly veiled smug superiority.  "Chink" gets right
to the point.

I kind of like the way Lui is calling himself "Twinkie Chinkie" now -- it
neutralizes the negative connotations.  I am very impressed with how the
gay community has "reclaimed" the words "queer" and "faggot".  Now when a
homophobe screams "queer", he has zero impact ... he has been
linguistically emasculated.

Likewise, it would probably easier to start with the nastier words:
"Chink", "Jap", "gook", etc.  From there, we work our way up to "Oriental".
Finally, when CWB's like John Scott wander in and ask the standard CWB
question "why don't YOU PEOPLE like to be called ORIENTAL?", we can say
"What?  Whatever gave you that idea, you *CLUELESS* *WHITE* *BOY*?  Why
don't you go home and pick on your dog to get your jollies?"

It is clear that the difference between "Asian" and "Oriental" is a
struggle to have the power to name ourselves, on our terms, with our
connotations.  Being defined by the dominant group is an expression of
their power over us: not an explicit expression, but an implicit
expression.  One way to take the power away is to take their names away,
and make them our names.  In the long run, all the names that are used to
define us on their terms will be gone, and they will have to address us on
our terms.

Yours in Chinkiness,
The Chinkmeister,
Chink with an Attitude,
Mr. Chink,
or just plain "Chink",

Andy
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From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:29:38 GMT


whining may make your grievances apparent to those in charge, but as
stated previously, we must take some other actions in addition to
whining.  if whining is all we do, then when bureaucrats (or whoever)
get tired of listening, they can easily ignore the whining.  in
short, my personal grievance (whining :-) ) against whining is that
whining alone cannot accomplish what we want.  just like little
children whining, when the parents become tired of the whining,
the children are often punished then dragged away...but we are not
children, so voice your grievances and act upon them.

and yes, i am aware that minority groups are not the only ones that
whine.  everybody whines--some more than others.

when cwb's (tm) come in scaa and start spewing their beliefs, i for one
don't jump all over them in defense because trying to reason or 
converse with someone whose mind is already set is futile to me and
i'd rather be doing something else besides engaging in a seemingly
mindless "you're wrong, i'm right because it's this way" match.

at any rate, i'd like to think i'm an open-minded person; heaven forbid
otherwise  :-)  so, it has been interesting reading some of the posts,
but i thought i would let my grievances be heard ;-)

laly thao

 
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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: "Caucasian" Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 15 Aug 1992 06:12:35 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
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In article <7733@public.BTR.COM> timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>|How many times do I have to whine about you defining Caucasian as White.
>|I'm Indian, which is considered caucasoid, but not White.
>|Get it straight people!
>
>Last I looked at a map, the Caucasus mountains were not in India.
>Nor are they more than a small part of the ancestral lands of
>most white people.
>
>I mean, most asian people aren't from Mongolia, are they?

Duhhh, you lost me there, Tim. What's your point ?
Ron Hira IS right that Indians are generally classified
as Caucasian in race, but not "white" in the vernacular sense.
This has nothing to do with how appropriate or inappropriate
are the designations "Caucasian", "Mongoloid", "Negroid", etc.
for the three (or sometimes four) major races defined by most
anthropologists. 

I have to feel a little sorry for my Indian friends when they
find themselves excluded from the common ethnic designations used
in this country, like when people say Asian to mean only East
Asian, i.e., Oriental, or Caucasian to mean only white Europeans. 
How does it feel to define yourself as a "other non-white" ? :-)

By the way, the designation "white" has always seem vague to 
me.  I was once surprised to hear an Iranian coworker (he would
prefer to say Persian.:-)) insist adamantly that he was white
and lecture me that the "Persians" were the original Aryans....
That made me wonder, are Egyptians "white"? What about Uzbeks? 
Afghans? Uighurs? Chinese????  Maybe there's hope for me yet...

Joe Huang


Joe Huang

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From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:13:58 GMT


In <1162@xlnt.COM> David Johnson writes:
>fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>IF you are discriminated against in this country, you have recourse to legal
>>action to try to correct what you feel to be an injustice. This is NOT true
>>most other places, as you no doubt know from your travels. Perfect? No. But
>>it IS better than nothing.
>
>I think this is what separates the US from other countries in terms of
>racial discrimination.  Excellent point Mike.

Yes, "it's better than nothing," but that doesn't make the current
race-relations situation acceptable for America.  We hold our country
to a much higher standard.

It is completely reasonable to envision, and ultimately to expect and
demand, an America free of hate.  Comparing America favorably to other
countries in terms of race relations only serves to distract us from
all that we have yet to accomplish.

Kris Popat
MIT Rm E15-355  Cambridge, MA 02139
From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:54:26 GMT
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> Curiously, the way that definition is written, it seems to claim that
> "white" can be applied "loosely" to all Caucasoids.  If I were weird
> enough to claim that you were "white" in spite of your (presumably
> darker) actual skin tone, I might cite this definition to support my
> position.

Although I hesitate to get involved in this vapid discussion, I will
point out that the definition Ron cites is fairly standard.  Back when
racial classifications appeared on birth certificates, Asian-Indian
Americans were in fact classified as "white." Presumably, the official
meaning of "white" was "caucasoid."

An easy way to avoid any ambiguity is to say "European" or
"European-American" instead of "white" when that's what we really
mean.  If it's too many syllables, try "Euro."


Kris Popat
MIT Rm E15-355        Cambridge, MA  02139
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From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Everybody eat s--t and die
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.231001.20011@unocal.com> stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>No name to back up bold words?
>The author must not confidence in his/her opinion then, and it is hard for
>us to take such seriously then.
 
I think the  author is being *selfish* to use such subject title to grab
averyone's attention.  I dont have time to read every single article so
I read the titles to screen out irrevalent subjects.

I suggest that we *do not* submit follow-ups to the original article.
(This also applies to the original article titled "Fuck").

Sounds fair?

-Dan

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