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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: The Spotlight
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:21:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, after Lance Bledsoe's spirited defense of the JBS I figure 
I'b better speak up for LaRouche. I'm a LaRouche supporter and I
don't hate anybody either (although I AM distressed and saddened
that a country which was once looked up to by the rest of the 
world for it's commitment to progress and a better life for all 
people has now turned its back on those values). I don't have time
right now to summarize what LaRouche is all about, but if you have
ftp access, the LaRouche-Bevel '92 campaign program (and other stuff)
is available at red.css.itd.umich.edu in the directory poli/LaRouche.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:08:08 GMT





Need I say more?  We've got to do something about murderers!

Simon

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From: eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.history,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.british,sci.astro,sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER archive location
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:19:49 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

From Jon Volkoff, mail address eidetics@cerf.net

To all friends, enemies, and interested individuals in this most controversial
political/economic/military intelligence report, which was recently posted to
alt.conspiracy and talk.politics.misc:

All 80 issues, plus some doc files, are at the moment available by anonymous
ftp from red.css.itd.umich.edu as /poli/dbal.tar.Z
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From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Pardon Amy Fisher!
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:23:45 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <randall.726280339@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:


>I am in total agreement with Bush's pardon of Weinberger, and his reasons
>for the pardon.  Now Bush should take it one step further with the
>case that has received more media attention than Iran-Contra.

>As George Bush's final act in office, I think he should pardon Amy
>Fisher.   After watching three TV movies about her, (I'm sure glad
>I have a VCR!) I've come to the conclusion that she's basically
>a patriotic American girl.  I'll bet if you asked her, she would
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>say that she loves America.  

BUT.... in one of the videos taken by her (former/so-called) boy friend
she talks about how she wants a Ferrari!!  a non-American car.  probably
built by scabs in a slave labor shop.

danny (was there -really- a USA, Japan?) burstein

dannyb@panix.com
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: <None>
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:29:41 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <17928@umd5.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.194450.16424@mont.cs.missouri.edu> jad@Turing.ORG  
> (John DiNardo)  posts more drivel, not that that's new or anything, but  
> one wishes that he'd catch a clue sometime.........

Some of us find his drivel rather enlightening.
> 
> If the United States armd forces were indeed behaving like those of Iraq
> (gassing, say, the population of Newark, New Jersey) I would certainly  
> hope that someone would come in and kick some American behind. You are  
> perhaps forgetting that the reason for the "no-fly rule" was to protect  
> both the Kurds in the north and the Shi'ites in the south.
> 
Stated as though purposefully misdirected US foreign policy had nothing
to do with Kurdish or Shi'ite problems.  If I remember correctly, as
strained as Kurdish relations were with Saddam before Ambassador Glaspie
gave the signal for Iraq to enter Kuwait, they were much better than
they have been since the 'mother of all battles'.  As a result of our
'blitzkrieg' against Iraq, 300,000 Iraqis are dead and relations between
Iraqis and Kurds may be bloody for the next hundred years, not to mention
the Shi'ites in the south.  We encouraged the Kurds to rebel and then
failed to follow through with the elimination of Saddam.  Did we do
this on purpose or did we mean to do it?  Could the fact that international
oil prices remain soft and we have a lock on Iraq's production possibly
have anything to do with the continued implementation of our middle-East
Monroe doctrine?

> As far as your American/Nazi comparison goes, I am unaware of any  
> instances where the Army of the Third Reich was used to either:
> 
> a) feed starving individuals and/or protect relief agencies who feed the  
> aforementioned individuals (Somalia)
> 
The Third Reich wasn't familiar with our North African Monroe doctrine.

> b) protect refugees from the armies of an individual who is clearly a  
> murderous sociopath (Iraq- or have you forgotten Halabja?)
> 
You shouldn't talk about George Bush this way.
> 
> cheers
> 
> j slorecki-weiss
> 
-Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Part 3,  LURE TO WAR: Bush Sucks Saddam Into Kuwait [Stockwell]
Keywords: LURE TO WAR: Bush Sucks Saddam Into Kuwait [Stockwell]
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:06:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.223539.3949@mont.cs.missouri.edu> jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:
>
>
>  [JD: If the USS Maine was sunk on the orders of powerful people
>   in the U.S. Government, it's not as glaring as the fact that they
>   used the sinking as their excuse for the war that they desired.]

	Care to substantiate this statement?  Care to argue with
	the truth that it was a boiler that exploded?

>
>  [JD: The passenger ship Lusitania was sunk by the allies, killing
>   hundreds of men, women and children in order to fabricate the desired
>   reason to plunge the United States into the war with Germany.]

	Then perhaps you would care to explain why the Germans made
	a hero of the captain of the submarine that sank it, and why
	commemorative coins were struck by the Germans.  Maybe you should
	check the submarine logs before making such an outrageous and
	inaccurate statement.  In any event, the immediate casus belli
	was the Zimmermann telegram.


	I'm not commenting about anything Stockwell said because I think
	he has a point to make.  It is not help by a rabble-rousing nitwit
	decorating it with inaccurate and emotionally charged comments.

	Alec Chambers
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: contradictory nature of free will and omni-anything
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:36:15 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: Signs

According to jeon@carson.u.washington.edu (Sangyong Jeon):
>God's knowing what will happen in the future means the 
>[4D] painting is all done, fixed, like a map.

What if God's observation is what fixes a given event, a la quantum
physics?  In that case, he can be omniscient in the sense that he
_can_ know anything he cares to know, without compromising the free
will of individuals -- since he apparently chooses not to know their
final fates.  (That's assuming that "God is love", and therefore not
cruel enough to encourage people to strive for life even though he
knows that they'll fail.)
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: dwilson@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: PERMINDEX
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:01:00 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

Does anyone have any information about PERMINDEX?
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: dickw@IASTATE.EDU (Richard Wallingford)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Reply-To: dickw@IASTATE.EDU (Richard Wallingford)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:53:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.044609.23372@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@bird.Princeton.EDU
(David Marc Nieporent) writes:
> In article <markp.725749195@dragonfly.wri.com> markp@dragonfly.wri.com (Mark
Pundurs) writes:

> >Charge #2. Bull! It's not clear that PROFITS from arms sales are "government
> >	   funds; and the money was LEGALLY spent furthering foreign policy 
> >	   goals. (The much-ballyhooed Boland Amendment didn't apply to
> >	   the NSC -- and didn't enact any penalties for infractions.)
> 
> Whose funds could they possibly be besides the owners of the arms?  

We weren't the owners anymore.  An intermediary was.  It was *their*
funds.

>You mean, if I take your car and sell it, I can keep some of the money I
>sold it for?  How interesting.

Wrong analogy.

What the iran-contra trasaction means is that if I sell your car to
Ahmed, I have to give you *all* of the profits.  Now the car belongs 
to Ahmed.  Ahmed is now free to sell the car to a third world country
for 100 times what you got for it.  You may not like the fact that he
got rich while you didn't, but tough cookies. 

Last year I bought an AK-47 for $300 from a dealer and later re-sold it 
for $550 to a stranger at a gun show.  Neither the dealer, myself, nor
the stranger feel like anything fishy happened.

--
Dick Wallingford   
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From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:23:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.150808.6452@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu
(Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Need I say more?  We've got to do something about murderers!
>
She didn't actually kill anybody, but I must agree.  The punishment should fit
the crime, and the fact that it seldom does in this country is the sole reason
crime is now running rampant here.  Ferchrissakes!  Fisher beats a woman over
the head with a gun, shoots her, and she's going to spend a few scant years in
a cell and come out MAKING MONEY on the deal. 

And who says crime doesn't pay......

-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  Didn't need no welfare state, everybody
Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  pulled his weight...Those were the days!
This University is too Commie-	|  --From theme to "All in the Family"
Lib Pinko to have these views.	|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth "Gimpy" Bradley)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Query: Document on AIDS as a biotech mistake?
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:28:05 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <C0M0sJ.M8q@iat.holonet.net> timper@iat.holonet.net (Tim Perkis) writes:
>I'm looking for a document which I've heard exists but never have seen.
>Supposedly an(East) German biochemist wrote a technical report on why
>he thought HIV was a synthetic virus. 

Sheesh, not this one again.  There are human HIV positive specimens dating
back to the 1950's.  Genetic engineering didn't exist in the 50's.  This
is one of the most readily refuted conspiracy theories.
-- 
Seth J. Bradley, Senior System Administrator, Intel SCIC
Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
----------------------------------------
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:26:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.041550.13687@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.150808.6452@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>>Need I say more?  We've got to do something about murderers!
>
>Should I waste bandwidth pointing out that Amy Fisher is NOT a murderer?
>(murderess?)  Mrs. Buttafucco did NOT die.

how did this turn into alt.buttheads?  mr. butt-ugly-head fixed amy-ugly-in-
her-own-right's car multiple times and maybe they did or did not try to mate,
but the gene count didn't match and amy tries to kill mrs butthead but fails.
then they all sell their story and get rich.
-the end
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From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Date: 10 Jan 1993 02:57:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


With Steve Crocker I too would like to see any evidence you have that Bo
Gritz is wrong about top government officials being involved in drug
trafficking for the purpose of financing covert operations.

And just dismissing Gritz as a crackpot or lunatic doesn't really prove
he isn't telling the truth.

Tell us, Chip.  You are probably the most knowledgable contributor to
this newsgroup (although much of your knowledge may be false).  Is it
certain that Bo Gritz is wrong about this?  How can we be sure?


-- 


--------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ---------
------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.edu -------------
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc
From: ldsoderb@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (David S. Oderberg)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: JFK archive?
Keywords: JFK, archive
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:15:48 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

Can anyone tell me whether the voluminous postings on JFK's 
assassination have been archived, so that I may consult them?
If so, how?
Thanks.
D.S.O.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: World Conspiracy & Secret Base on the Moon
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:37:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.153718.15879@bnr.uk> alteh@bnr.ca (Alwyn Teh) writes:
>they were telling people that there is a conspiracy amongst the nations'
>governments  and  multinational  companies to take over the world.

"Take over the world" from whom? Themselves? 

-- Brad Pierce --

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:13:45 GMT

In article <ART.93Jan2113828@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.190521.26189@unet.net.com> steven@guava.net.com (Steve Nelson) writes:
>
>   In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
>   >
>   > [irrelevant text deleted}
>   >
>   >Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
>   >done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, 
>
>   Lying to Congress is currently a crime.

Gee, Meryl Streep lied to Congress once. Are they arresting her?
>		     --
>   >you would have
>   >to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list. 
>   >
>
>   Please provide specific information, including the name of any
>   administration officials, the date of occurrences, the person or persons
>   to whom the information was provided, the text of the information provided, 
>   the sources you referenced, and evidence to prove that the information 
>   given was incorrect and was knowingly provided with the deliberate intent 
>   to deceive, which indicates that any senior official in the FDR, JFK, or 
>   LBJ, administrations or that the president himself ever lied (knowingly 
>   provided incorrect information with the deliberate intent to deceive) under 
>   oath, in a court of law, during a deposition, or to Congress.

" ... and remember, if you don't tell us *everything* you know, we'll
charge you with obstruction of justice."

>
>That's easy, LBJ's lying about the Tonkin Gulf incident, JFK's cover-up
>of the events surounding the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  There are those (I am
>not among them) who claim that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack
>Pearl Harbor and deliberately hid the facts so we would be drawn into the
>war.  The FDR claims aside, clearly the LBJ lies were the worst since
>they lead to our involvemant in that hideous fiasco in Southeast Asia.

Actually, FDR's greater violation of law and Congressional intent was
his support of Great Britain prior to our involvement in WWII, which
violated the Neutrality Act.
It helped that they didn't tell Congress about this while they were doing it.
Now, perhaps FDR was "right" to do this, after all, it helped keep Hitler
at bay, but then perhaps North was right too in helping the Contras.

LBJ: Read "Path to Power" by Robert Caro. It details how he stole the 1948
election.

Pat
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: The World
	<markp.725749195@dragonfly.wri.com>
	<1993Jan7.044609.23372@Princeton.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:26:28 GMT


>Funny, but I didn't see too many conservatives complaining about the
>money George Bush spent on Operation Approval Rating.  I mean Just
>Cause.  Where we decided to blow up large parts of Panama City and
>destroy their military so Bush could get revenge on Manuel Noriega for
>not being a good enough CIA agent.

Well, this *is* alt.conspiracy. Clearly George owed Manuel a big favor
from back when they both worked at the CIA and got him in from the
cold. No doubt Noriega's life was in danger or worse (his cover was
about to be blown?) So Geo does the big thing and gets Manny out and
he gets to cool his heels in a comfortable cell (wasn't there some
complaint several months ago about Noriega's jail cell being unusually
plush?) while they play the rest of this out (the charade of a trial
etc.)

So now Clinton gets to throw a fuss about how if we (the US) can't
make any charges stick let the guy go cuz that's the way justice works
in the USA like it or not and Manuel retires to some South American
country where no one really cares about any of this and they all live
happily ever after.

Very simple really.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: The Spotlight
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:25:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The Spotlight may well be as anti-semitic as Danny Keren claims.
I say "may" because I don't read it much and haven't seen any
anti-semitic material myself in what I HAVE read. They DO seem to have
some good info on underreported threats to COnstitutional government 
in the U.S. I'd recommend reading it critically and not relying on it
as a sole source.

-Steve
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Report from Iron Mountain" (an ele
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:03:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec30.184955.12782@cs.ucla.e:-1855621283:cdp:1299600158:000:249
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Jan  3 14:03:00 1993



The book "Report from Iron Mountain" was written as a satire.

That means it was meant to poke fun at people who promoted the war
industry. The author has repeatedly confirmed it was a satire.

Perhaps we can post Gulliver's Travels?

-Chip Berlet
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Repost of Ostrowski demurrer
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:14:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Help the ignorant...what the heck is this about? I can't read
legaleaze (rhymes with sleaze).
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Germany and racism
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 05:53:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.023048.17422@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (.) writes:
>pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

Actually, Brad Pierce *forwarded* the article you quote, he didn't
write it, nor necessarily agree with all the opinions expressed.

>Australia: last refuge of the dinosaur.:  

According to The Government of Singapore, _Singapore: The Next Lap_,
Singapore, 1991, pp. 141-142:

    "Ultimately, however, a small state must be prepared to fight and
     defend itself. Alliances and diplomacy are helpful but they do not
     guarantee our security. In the marine world some fish are equipped
     with ingenious devices to ward off predators. The puffer fish, for
     example, will bloat itself up to look bigger and more menacing
     than it really is to frighten off assailants. It is poisonous as
     well.  The stone fish, also highly poisonous, pretends to be a
     rock so that predators do not notice it. But it is unlikely that a
     strategically-located small state can merge with its surroundings
     and be overlooked.  We should be like the poison shrimp with
     bright colours to warn others of the poison we carry.

    "Singapore has adopted a policy of Total Defence. Its objective is
     national resilience. Total Defence strengthens our overall defence
     capability against external aggression. It also promotes social
     cohesion, minimizing internal threats to security."

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