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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:57:55 GMT

peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:

>And remember who engineered the PB 100 - Sony.  The PB 100 is in many
>ways a price reduced (and weight reduced!) Macintosh Portable.  Sony
>took the basic design of the portable and did a rev 2.0.  They did
>a great job if you ask me.

  Me too.  I still don't really understand why practically nobody
else agrees.  I keep reading reports from Apple dealers about how
the PB 100 is a "dog", and that it's now on the short-list for
elimination.
  But I love it!  I get the feeling that the problem is that the main
market for PB100s (without a built-in floppy) is for people who
already own desktop Macs (such as myself).  And that most of these
people have enough money to buy a PB170 so they just buy that.
  Me, I just like the overall design of the 100.  It looks much nicer
than the 140/170, even something as subtle as the curved front (unlike
the 140/170 box).  I have a 140 as well as my 100, but I always take
the 100 whenever I go anywhere.
  The PB 100 deserves to be much more popular than it is.

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From: stearns@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tim Stearns)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Putting a file in the trash w/o using mouse
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:59:04 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

I just got one of the $899 Price Club Powerbook 100s and I love it.  I
have had Macs since 1984, but I've never come across a way of sending a
selected file to trash without actually dragging it there, and the
trackball of the powerbook makes this even more tedious than with a
mouse.  Without starting a GUI vs. command line interface war, does
anyone know how to set up an fkey or something to do this?

Thanks,
Tim Stearns
stearns@socrates.ucsf.edu
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:03:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.172629.22165@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:
> 
> Reading the 7/27/92 issue of MacWeek, p.46, it seems Apple agrees
> that macintoshes are overpriced compared to other personal computers:
> 
>    "[Apple executives] made it clear to [analysts] that they will
>    aggressively price their products soon," said John Girton, vice
>    president of research for Van Kasper & Co. in San Francisco.
> 
> Of course, this could mean only a small discount is coming, but Apple is
> feeling the pinch of the much cheaper PC clones.

Computer Reseller News says that Apple is expected to cut the price of the
IIci and IIsi by 25%, and the Classic II may drop by 30%.  If Apple does
this, it will have to cut expenses even further--and that could mean more
layoffs.
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Jul27.154019.2309@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> (comp.sys.mac.misc), smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:
> Example:
> We have a center-wide mail system called Goddard mail which is archaic,
> but it has a huge user base.  One of the things I do is connect macs and
> PCs to this mail system.
> 
> Connecting a Mac to the Goddard mail system via the ROLM network:
> 1. Connect the cable from the modem port to the ROLM phone.
> 2. Install White Knight.
> 3. Configure White Knight with proper communications parameters and to
>    capture text as a MSWD file.
> 4. Create a White Knight procedure to log into Goddard mail.
> 5. Configure Microsoft Word so that the default font is nonproportional.
> 6. Train the user to use Goddard mail with White Knight and Word.
> 
> Connecting a PC to the Goddard mail system via the ROLM network:
> 1. Connect the cable from the serial port to the ROLM phone.
> 2. Install Smartcom.
> 3. Configure Smartcom with proper communications parameters.
> 4. Create a Smartcom macro to log into Goddard mail.
> 5. Train the user to Goddard mail with Smartcom and WordPerfect.
> 
> We're not doing anything too fancy, and so far there are no significant
> difference in time supporting PCs and macs.  Of I still get my share of
> simple questions for wither machine.

Of course you seem to have turned both you Macs and your PCs into
terminals.  Why not just by a bunch of cheap dumb terminals?

A "simple" HyperCard interface on the Mac to your Goddard Mail system
would probably do wonders for your Mac users.  It's fairly easy to
put together a front end for systems like this using the HyperCard
serial XCMDs.  Then your configuration for the Mac users would be:

1.  Install HyperCard (if they don't have it already installed).
2.  Copy the Goddard Mail Stack onto their hard disk.
3.  Train them to push a few buttons to create and read mail.

I'd guess a knowledgeable HyperCard stack developer could put this
together pretty quickly.

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From: piper@rsvl.unisys.com (Piper Keairnes )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble with mcvert Unix util
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:24:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: rsvl.unisys

In <1992Jul27.173913.620@risky.ecs.umass.edu> breck@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu () writes:

>Among the things were some self extracting archives.  When I
>tried to execute them to extract them I got errors about available
>memory

I've experienced this same problem. I've used binary transfers, copies
to disk, and a number of other possible solutions to no avail. However,
don't give up. There is a utility called DeSEA at sumex (try util/). Run
DeSEA to remove the SEA portion of one of your de-hqx'd and now "corrupted"
archives.  Once you've removed the SEA portion, open the archive as you
normally would. I've had very good success with this approach (though
not 100%).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle)
Subject: Re: SLIP for Mac
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:10:59 GMT

>Jack> == Jack Brindle <jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com> 
>
> Jack> Has anyone received VersaTerm's SLIP through the upgrade program?

I get to follow up my own query for a change! Posting on Usenet produces
magical results. How else can you explain the fact that the upgrade
arrived the same day I posted the original message??? Apparently my
upgrade got caught in the middle of a massive upgrade for those who
recently purchased Versaterm. It only took seven weeks and four phone
calls, but now I have slip, and I'm happy with the product. I also
got to meet some pretty nice people at Synergy...

Maybe I could take a chance with the Usenet magic and hope that all the 
systems I dial into would instantly upgrade to v.32bis modems...
Nahhhhh...  :-) :-)

Thanks to those who responded...

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internet: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: hamerski@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Imagecopy of bad disks ??
Reply-To: hamerski@vxdesy.desy.de
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:36:46 GMT

WANTED: Image-copy-program to copy disks with bad blocks

Has anyone seen an program which copies bad disks (floppy). I want to
make an imagecopy of some disks with bad blocks (you know why ?!!). 
Apple's diskcopy does not !!
Please answer per e-mail or posting into this newsgroup.

Thanks a lot

Juergen

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu (Robert Stephens)
Subject: Disk Cataloguer 
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:39:01 GMT

I am looking for a good program
that will catalog MAC disks.

Please E-mail me with any help on
this.  Thanks
 
rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu
From: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Resedit permanently wrecks screen colors(?)
Date: 23 Jul 1992 22:53:17 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu


Are you sure it was *ONLY* the Finder & not also the System,
  specifically the 'cltb' or other color resources?

Are you sure said "friend" didn't muck around with any other
  applications?

Are you sure your son is telling you the whole story?  (Hey!
  Let's see what cool things we can do with this INIT! Rad!)

ResEdit is a very powerful tool that should only be used on
copies of software.  I wouldn't be honest if I claimed to 
follow that rule religiously.  I have used it often enough
to know when I'm treading on unfamiliar ground, and should
make a backup copy of something before I proceed.  Even
then, bad things could happen.  Case in point:  once I was
fooling around with the 'fmnu' resources in the Finder.
I decided to open them with the 'MENU' template.  I then
reverted all changes and quit ResEdit.  Next thing I know,
all my Finder menus are screwed up.  Trashing the corrupted
Finder & replacing from the Installation disks solved that.

You might have to reinstall your whole system.  Next time,
keep the ResEdit locked up.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
From: boosman@adobe.com (Frank Boosman)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: Adobe Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:05:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.175004.324@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us>, david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter) writes:
> 
> I am against the creation of an Apple Newton newsgroup >at this time<.  There
> are plenty of newsgroups already, and as a UNIX system administrator, I'm
> I'm familiar with the pros and cons of creating and managing newsgroups.  As
> a PenPoint programmer, I see only about ten articles a week in comp.sys.pen,
> not including the RFD articles.  Let's wait until the traffic in comp.sys.pen
> grows before hiving off a bunch of groups.
> 
> Creating a newsgroup for a "product" that is still vapor is questionable.  In
> time, it will become obvious if we need a Newton newsgroup, a PenPoint news-
> group, a PenDOS newsgroup, a PenPal newsgroup, a Momenta newsgroup (NOT), and
> so on.  Currently, however, Newton is in the same category as the Trilogy
> machine and the DEC-ten-again (DECsystem-10/II): neat specs, but not real.
> 
> This is my opinion, which is mine, which is, as I said my opinion, about the
> dinosaurs, that is my opinion, about them.  Thank you.
> -- 
>                                                David Schachter

Your argument depends on the assumption that the defining aspect of Newton is its
ability to accept input from a pen. According to everything I have seen written
or spoken by Apple, this assumption is incorrect. The defining aspect of Newton is,
if I may be so bold as to speak for Apple, its complete break with existing
operating systems and user interface paradigms. Newton will apparently bear little
if any resemblance not only to Macintosh, Windows, and their kin, but also PenPoint,
Momenta, and their kin. Therefore, to lump Newton in with these operating systems
seems clumsy at best.

I am strongly in favor of a separate newsgroup for Newton. Given the number of
announced and rumored competitive systems (Microsoft/Sony, Tandy/GeoWorks, et. al.),
a comp.sys.pda group which could later grow into comp.sys.pda.newton and others
would seem to make the most sense.

-- Frank Boosman
   Adobe Systems Inc.
   Mountain View, CA
   boosman@adobe.com
From: long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:46:54 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Jul24.131236.4307@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes...
>You have never rebuilt your desktop in system 7 so you don't know
>what you are talking about.  As far as I know, there is no modifier
>key you can hold down in System 7 to rebuild the desktop.  I received

 You hold Command and Option down just before the Finder loads, same as it's
 always been. Takes a few minutes on my 80MB Autodoubler-compressed hard
 drive.

Richard C. Long			long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com
			  -or-	...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long   		
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mackd@aix.rpi.edu (David Allen Mack)
Subject: Virtual Desktop
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:05:00 GMT

Is there a virtual desktop out there for the Mac, something similar to tvtwm?
I run off of an SE/30 and I need more deskspace.

	-Mack

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:23:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <dbU703SF46wC00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:

>Ok, now let's try to draw a map on a Newton.  Here, I'll sketch a quick
>outline of the United States and . . . hey, this stupid thing thought I
>was trying to draw a rectangle!  Now instead of a scribbled outline of
>the country, I've got this nicely perfect -- and perfectly useless --
>rectangle.
 
>Seriously, I don't remember reading in any of the reviews of this thing
>whether the user can turn off the "helpful" feature that makes it turn
>your rough drawings into perfect shapes.  Sometimes you want your scribbles
>to remain scribbles.

You didn't read closely enough.  Of course you can turn it off.  I also
wouldn't be surprised to see some programs with special-purpose recognizers
so that, say, a scribble that looks vaguely like the United States becomes
an outline of the United States and a scribble that looks vaguely like
Texas becomes an outline of Texas.

>I'm surprised that the main focus of this thread seems to have become one
>of keyboards VERSUS pen-based.  Why do so many people seem to look at this
>as an either/or proposition?  Have we all gotten so attached to the idea
>of computers as general purpose machines that we can no longer even 
>conceive of types of computers that are more narrowly focused in their
>usefulness?  

Apple has never claimed that Newton will be a general-purpose machine.
That's why they're calling it a Personal Intelligent Assistant instead
of a computer.
From: sho@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: A TECHIE view of Newton (Was:a non-techie view of Newton)
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:22:03 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <Brr8nw.4ru@acsu.buffalo.edu> jmpiazza@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joseph M. Piazza) writes:
>BUT, imagine linking your Newton over a cellular phone.  Instant
>mega-database; the power of a desktop machine at your pen tip almost anywhere.

Imagine the car wreck epidemic as millions attempt to scrawl
legible handwriting while driving! :-)

-Sho
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mnc0678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.N. Cannava )
Subject: NEEDED: Recommendations!
Originator: mnc0678@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:05:40 GMT

Hi!

I'm in need of recommendations for either shareware or commercial
solutions to the following:

	1. Need a hierarchical apple menu. Mine's getting waaaay too
	   cluttered.

	2. Need a program to place frequently-used programs/files as 
	   "tiles" on the lower-left of the screen for easy
	   click-n-go.

	3. A good, **compressing** backup program (to tape or
	   SyQuest), which leads me to another question: Has anyone
	   had experience with the TEAC tape drives? Good/bad? What
	   software do you use?)

Well, that was quite a few questions. Thanks in advance to anyone
answering; please email, and I'll post a summary if interest warrants.

				\marc
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:29:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.154019.2309@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:

> The point I am making is that the installation is a one-time deal on
> a PC, and that overall, the time spent on either machine "fiddling" is
> the same.
> 
> Example:
> We have a center-wide mail system called Goddard mail which is archaic,
> but it has a huge user base.  One of the things I do is connect macs and
> PCs to this mail system.
> 
> Connecting a Mac to the Goddard mail system via the ROLM network:
> 1. Connect the cable from the modem port to the ROLM phone.
> 2. Install White Knight.
> 3. Configure White Knight with proper communications parameters and to
>    capture text as a MSWD file.
> 4. Create a White Knight procedure to log into Goddard mail.
> 5. Configure Microsoft Word so that the default font is nonproportional.
> 6. Train the user to use Goddard mail with White Knight and Word.
> 
> Connecting a PC to the Goddard mail system via the ROLM network:
> 1. Connect the cable from the serial port to the ROLM phone.
> 2. Install Smartcom.
> 3. Configure Smartcom with proper communications parameters.
> 4. Create a Smartcom macro to log into Goddard mail.
> 5. Train the user to Goddard mail with Smartcom and WordPerfect.
> 
> We're not doing anything too fancy, and so far there are no significant
> difference in time supporting PCs and macs.  Of I still get my share of
> simple questions for wither machine.

OK, so configuring a Mac or a PC to work with an archaic mail system is
about the same--you have to use a telecom program to do it.  This is a 
worst-case example for the Mac, because you are fitting it to an external
telecomm system.  How about describing what it takes to install Pagemaker,
for example, on both machines?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: NASA GSFC Code 534.3
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:14:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.150751.12207@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, juha@skynet.oulu.fi (Juha Pirttil{) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> In article <1992Jul24.131236.4307@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sang J. Moon, 
> smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
> 
> >You have never rebuilt your desktop in system 7 so you don't know
> >what you are talking about.  As far as I know, there is no modifier
> >key you can hold down in System 7 to rebuild the desktop.  I received
> >an extension from someone which allows me to automatically delete
> >the desktop FILE on startup.  Since you have never rebuilt a desktop
> >file, you do not know how long it takes.  I have 75MB of stuff, and
> >it definitely takes a very long time for it to finish.  If you really
> >want it, I'll even time it for you.
> 
> Have you ever tried holding option and command keys down when 
> rebooting ???? During the startup the Mac asks if you want to
> rebuild the desktop. I don't think it takes too long. I just
> timed it. Rebuild took excactly 3 minutes 14 seconds. I have a
> 422 MB hard disk and I think on a 75 MB HD it must take much 
> shorter time.

We digress from the subject, but I had assumed that an extension called
Desktop Reset(tm) which was installed on my IIsi was the source of the
desktop rebuilding capability.  I have tried the key combination on
another mac and found it to be inherent in system 7 - learn something new
everyday.

It took me a few minutes to rebuild when I had only 20MB of stuff, but now
that I have 75MB of 1800+ files on it, it takes about six minutes to do
solely the desktop rebuilding, but I only rebuild the desktop when I
have a problem (i.e. icons not working properly, extensions not working
properly, virus detected, etc.).  As a result the total time spent
tracking down a problem, which may include reinstalling the system and/or
rebuilding the desktop, would take me at least half a day.

The original reason for the post you pointed out was to point out that
the same amount of time "fiddling" with a PC would be spent "fiddling"
with a mac.  Because of this, saying that PCs require more labor is not
totally correct, and the price of labor is not significant in comparing
cost between a PC and a mac.

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From: glb@yarra.pyramid.com.au (George Budahazy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,aus.mac
Subject: Where to find Folder Bolt
Keywords: Application
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:34:36 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp PL, Melb., Australia

Hello to All,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the application "Folder bolt"

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks in Advance.

Regards 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Subject: Re: Apple wish lists for Don Crabb
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:35:47 GMT
Organization: Apple

In article <906702.2A686D62@cmhgate.fidonet.org>, Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
> 
> ...
>
>  I'm sorry.


Wow, he said it. I don't believe it!

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
From: gcl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (# Texas Stalker #)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Print Spooler
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:13:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


How do I set up a print spooler so I can do other work while PageMaker
is trying to print?

Thanx.