From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Summary: <sigh> Where do these bozos come from?
Date: 21 Aug 1992 11:27:26 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Somewhere Dorsett will never find

In article <1992Aug21.041311.18486@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.144033.2939@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>>>>I have one more 'I will agree with a prolife sentiment when,'  when
>>>>there isn't one more child on the face of this planet that starves to
>>>>death, or sits in a orphanage wanting with all its heart to have loving
>>>>parents, when there isn't one more unwanted child born into a family.
>>>
>>>Being unhappy or poor isn't punishable by death, the last time I checked.
>>
>>What a great life to commit a child to.  You are really sick.  Do you
>>enjoy watching people suffer in misery?  Do you like hanging around
>>ghettos and the wards watching people beg and debase themselves?  Do you
>>get off to it?
>
>I lived outside this country for a long time, have visited many desperately 
>poor countries, and seen more wretched poverty than you can possibly compre-
>hend.  Whatever problems even the desperately poor have, they are alive, 
>they adapt, and they even have the ultimate potential to change their state.  
>Have you considered that your perceptions of "crushing poverty" may be a 
>byproduct of your middle-class *fear* of the same?  I.e., by someone partaking 
>in the top 1% of the world's wealth, deciding whom, in the remaining 99%, 
>meets your criteria of who should or should not live.  

Is there a point to your rant, or are you just demonstrating that your
Pavlovian reflex is alive and well?

>Have YOU lived in poverty?  Do YOU know anyone who lives like that?  Or are 
>you basing your arguments on Sally Struthers' commercials, which most 
>certainly *don't* show the children *playing* in the shit-pools, or other-
>wise adapting to their poverty?

How would YOU know?  I've seen some pretty rank poverty, too -- and I didn't
have to go abroad to see it.  All *I* have to do is look at my native county
in Kentucky if I want to see scenes like that.

>I thought not: just another modern student-activist who shows up the pro-
>choice rally, does her "thang," jumps back in her BMW, and goes off to party.

What a maroon.  Have you ever been in the same area code with Lorra?  (From
your crack about the BMW, it looks like you're rarely on the same planet as
her.  At least I've actually met her in person.)  I don't know what she's
been doing this week while Randall Terry and his zombies have been
cluttering up this town, but I've been heading out to clinics after work
every morning this week to defend them from idiots like you -- and I don't
much appreciate you raving at someone about whom you know less than nothing.

>>Have you ever talked to these people?  Have you ever asked them if they
>>are glad that they are alive?  Have you ever sat and talked to someone
>>that is suicidal because all their lives they were abused and unwanted?
>
>Yeah, so what?  The difference is that they eventually decide to blow their
>own brains out.  I don't make the decision for them.

Real pro-life there, ain't you?  With an attitude like that, it's a damn
shame your mother didn't have a choice.

>Nah, you're quite right, Lorra.  The poor are *such* downers.  Gawd, I 
>can hardly bear to meet the eyes of the beggars on street corners, any
>more, don't you know?  Let's round 'em all up, march 'em into concentration
>camps, and put the poor wretches out of their misery, eh?  No way your
>white, middle-class children should grow up seeing such a thing, eh?  Out
>of sight, out of mind, even if it's six feet under.

You cretin.  Where in bloody hell has she *ever* said, or even implied, such
a thing?  The way you rave, I'd be surprised if you ever venture east of
Mopac or south of Anderson...

>>Do you really sit in your little glass house and think 'they are really
>>just glad to be alive'.... 
>
>Yes.  When it's a choice of desperate poverty, or being marched into the gas 
>chambers by your kind, definitely yes.

You don't do their thinking for them, fool.  (Or for yourself, either,
apparently.)

>>I think we have gotten into the basic difference.  I am not christian
>>and the constitution of this country gives me that freedom.  
>
>No, you're a college-educated sociopath, a spoiled little brat who's been
>educated beyond her intelligence, who has no capacity for human empathy. 
>A typical specimen of your kind.

She's *forgotten* more about empathy than you'll ever learn in your
miserable life, you toad.  (I guess you're just jealous of anyone who got
beyond junior high..."college-educated sociopath"?  Now I *have* heard
everything.)

>>I don't believe that having an abortion damns a soul to eternal
>>nothingness, I believe that it allows that soul to move onto another
>>vessel that, perhaps, will dwell under better circumstances.
>
>And, typical of children in your age group, you have this compulsion to
>rebel against authority, using "religion" as a sufficiently "traditional"
>symbol.  Fine, go and rant and rave.  But note that I never introduced 
>"religion" in my argument.  I simply find the concept of killing people, or
>*defending* the practice of killing people, on the basis of economic exped-
>iency, repugnant.  What's next?  How about killing the elderly, for the
>burden they put on society?  Why not kill the mentally ill?  How about AIDS
>patients?  Hell, they're gonna die anyway, why let them raise our insurance
>rates?  The stupid?  The ugly?  Et cetera, et cetera.  You're steering a very 
>dangerous course, both for yourself, and for society.

You bleeding buffoon -- she never said anything remotely resembling what
you're implying she said.  YOU are the one bringing it up, and you have the
gall to accuse *her* of promoting it?  Are you sure you're not a Republican?

>Grow up.  Join the Army or the Peace Corps, see the world, grow a personality.
>Maybe we'll take you seriously, then.  

You might want to stop and think (nigh unto impossible though that may be)
that you don't know how old Lorra is -- or anything else about her.  Based
on what I see here, she already knows a bit more than you do -- and if you
don't want to take her seriously, don't.  No one will bother with taking you
seriously either, if this is the best you're capable of.

>>So, it really comes down to this, if you believe that you are damning a
>>soul to eternal nothingness, then don't have an abortion.  That is your
>>choice and you can practice your beliefs all you want.  My beliefs,
>>which are supposedly protected in this country
>
>Supposedly?  Is anyone out to get you, Lorra?  Are we feeling a bit 
>*paranoid*, all comfy cozy in front of our CRT?

Yeah, and so am I -- and I ain't all cozy in front of my monitor.  I'm the
one going out and busting my ass and staying up all damn day after working
all night to protect clinics from assholes like you -- and I'm doing it
because of your kindred souls in positions of power who want to do nothing
less than make Lorra's beliefs (and mine as well) illegal.
Just remember what Ben Franklin said about those who give up liberty to
obtain security -- I'll be damned if I'll give up MY liberty so brain-dead
bozos like you can enjoy a little illusory security.

--PLH, one slightly pissed pro-choicer getting ready for another long day on
the front lines in southwest Houston


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