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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:11:17 GMT

In article <10907@rls.UUCP> randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith) writes:
>tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan) writes:
>> Actually, what they're doing is getting a bunch of cars to pull up
>> behind them, thinking that the lead car is going to go straight, only to
>> have the idiot turn on his signal after it's too late for the people
>> behind to choose the other lane. Thus, all those cars are stuck behind
>> the turning car, possibly for the entire duration of the light. They're
>> pissed because the delay could have been avoided if only the lead car
>> had signalled.
>
>What?  People don't know they're in the turn only lane?  How many signs
>and road arrows or other indications does it take to clue you into the
>notion that you're in the turn only lane.  You really rely on other
>drivers for roadway information?

Not all intersections have "turn only" and "straight ahead only"
lanes.  Sometimes the leftmost lane also permits travel straight ahead;
at other times, the rightmost lane permits travel straight ahead.  They
are not necessarily clearly marked; sometimes they're not labelled at
all, and their use is more of a local convention.  When sharing the
road with other drivers, especially in an unfamiliar area, you often
have no choice but to rely on other drivers for information.

I think that the problem stems from the near-infinite variety of local
DMV "paradigms": In some towns, the left lane is for left turns only
and the right lane is for right or straight ahead; in others (even in
the same county) the left lane is for left turns or straight ahead, and
the right for right turns only.  Still others use a center "turn
lane".  Some intersections have separate lights for the turn lanes;
others use the same lights as the other lane(s).  Some towns have
various combinations of these systems on different roads, and often
over the course of the same road!

Driving in an unfamiliar area, it can take a while to figure out the
road paradigm that is in use; it is also quite confusing when the
system changes occasionally (e.g., "The left lane is now for left turns
only--but only for the next mile.  Then we'll use a center lane.").

My appeal is for the various DMV's to develop a consistent interface:
each change in paradigm should be labeled, and paradigms should change
as infrequently as possible over an area, let alone over a single
road.  This will allow drivers to anticipate which lane they should use
at an intersection, for example, without having to read all the signs
as they roll to a stop.  Until then, people will continue to use the wrong
lane.  As long as it is questionable whether every driver knows these
road conventions, turn signals at intersections will be a necessity.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Sam Kinnison/seat belts
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:20:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <34281@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:

> It's been mentioned several times that Sam Kinnison was not wearing
> a seat belt when he was involved in his fatal accident, and that
> he was thrown into the windshield.  Does anyone know how seriously
> his wife was hurt and whether she was wearing a seat belt?  Just
> curious.
> cole@unix.sri.com


I heard on the news last night that Sam's wife was in serious
condition, but was expected to pull thru. Didn't hear whether she was
wearing a belt or not.



Mark
From: eugene@ksr.com (Eugene Yi-jen Pan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:01:58 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: nicos@csa.bu.edu's message of 15 Apr 92 11:45:36 EDT

In article <84033@bu.edu> nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.010436.7343@citec.oz.au> sgccmjw@citec.oz.au (Mark Wilton 23313) writes:
> >3) Once i was waiting at a give way at a round about some granny was on the
> >   round about and actually STOPPED for me (where do these people learn to
> >   drive)
> >
> 
> In most countries now, the vehicle that ENTERS the rotary (ie round about)
> has the right of way, unless there are traffic signs to the contrary.
> So, if you're new to the area, you cannot possibly know that a "STOP"
> or "YIELD" sign exists on the entrance of the rotary and you stop
> for the people that enter the rotary.
> 
> <In order to avoid flames>
>     This is NOT the case in all countries. Some countries (in Europe)
>     even CHANGED this traffic regulation (during the 80's I believe).
>     It used to be that that the right of way goes to the vehicle that
>     IS ON the rotary. Please check your local traffic regulations ;-)

What is weird is that you are posting from Boston, and in Boston the right of
way falls to the person in the rotary.
From: randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:36:25 GMT
Organization: The Internet

sgccrjh@citec.oz.au (Robert Howlett) writes:
> This would make sense, if he was talking about a TURN ONLY LANE.  However,
> he isn't.   Obviously people wouldn't think that the lead car was going
> to go straight, if it was turn only lane!  

One wouldn't think so, whould they?  Only problem is people do sit in
turn only lanes with their flashers on as if there was some other
options.  That is just my point.

Well whatever.  That's not what I was talking about and he's more
obliged to follow my point (or make it clear he's not) than I am to
follow his, especially since he responded to my post.  I have an
extremely short expire here so I can't verify past transactions.  If
anyone has the entire original thread, I'd appreciate it by e-mail. 
Thanks. 

> Once again, it's NOT a trun only lane.  I can't imagine someone being dumb
> enough to complain about not being able to go straight in a turn only lane!
>
> This is fine in the situation where it is obvious what the car must be
> doing.  However, in a situation where there is a choice to turn or not,
> other motorists and pedestrians need to know what the heck someone is going
> to do.
>
> Robert Howlett              Internet: sgccrjh@citecuc.citec.oz.au
> Unix System Administrator   Phone:    +61-7-834-2895
> Department Of Transport     Fax:      +61-7-834-2911

Whatever the case, you're hair splitting and walking right past my
thread point that I made of unnecessary turn signals.  I've had enough
of this quibbling.  I've made my point, this is now boring and I am 
through with this thread.

Cheers!

- randy

randy@rls.uucp  <backbone>!osu-cis!rls!randy  rls!randy@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
It's a fax from your dog, Mr. Dansworth.  It looks like your cat.  - Larson
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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: As the color slowly returns to my face...
Organization: The League of Crafty Bass Guitarists
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:38:18 GMT

In article <11050045@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:
>>  But _we_ can chalk one up for the Lessons Learned file:  
>>  "If your view is obstructed, proceed as though you could kill someone 
>>  with one bad move."
>
>This is called "defensive driving."
>
>One good way to learn about it is to ride a motorcycle. After your first
>accident, if you are lucky to escape in one piece, you learn very fast to
>take into account other people [insert your favorit swear word] moves.
>
>bruno.

Correct... I noticed, not too soon after getting my first bike, that 
my car-driving got a lot better as far as defensiveness is concerned.  
I've never had an accident, though.  8^)

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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:14:59 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan) writes:
>
>Now here's a perspective I've never heard expressed before. Congrats,
>Randy - if nothing else, your peeve is original! ;-)
>
>In article <10901@rls.UUCP> randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith) writes:
>>bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>>> How 'bout the idiot who pulls up to the intersection, waits for
>>> the light to change, then turns on the left turn signal. For
>>> that matter any person who signals less than a block from where
>>> they're going to turn.
>>
>>Whoa, there pardner.  You're suggesting sitting at an interminable light
>>to leave your turn signal on for the duration of the light is the proper
>>or "non-idiot" thing to do?  Au contrare.
>>
>>Bill, you might want to revisit your drivers ed books.
>
>You might want to do the same, Randy.
>
>>First off, by signalling after the light changes, they are most likely
>>performing their legally obligatory signal to inform oncoming traffic of
>>their intentions.
>
>Actually, what they're doing is getting a bunch of cars to pull up
>behind them, thinking that the lead car is going to go straight, only to
>have the idiot turn on his signal after it's too late for the people
>behind to choose the other lane. Thus, all those cars are stuck behind
>the turning car, possibly for the entire duration of the light. They're
>pissed because the delay could have been avoided if only the lead car
>had signalled.

And that happens. Pisses me off most heinously. Turn signals are there
to inform other drivers of your intentions. Excessive use is not
possible. 'Nuff said.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                     I own two bikes, brand unimportant.
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From: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry)
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: rec.driving
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:29:41 GMT

>In article <1992Apr10.052804.21377@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu
>(Noemi Berry) says:
>>i hate to say it, but as soon as i see permed, fluffed, dyed blond hair
>>at the wheel of a convertible, i'm outta there.  ditto for a silk tie at
>>the wheel of a mercedes 2-seater.  and a hat peeping out from the wheel
>>of a lumbering, ancient land yacht.  need any more stereotypes??

>Boy am I glad a woman (Noemi?) said this! I was starting to give those who
                             ^------?!

>wanted *actual proof* I was a misogynist too much hard evidence lately! 
>-- 
>Kenny Crudup, Unix Systems Consultant	kenny@world.std.com

what's this with the QUESTION MARK?!  are you unsure of my gender?!!!
sheez!!  well, if you want proof, i'll do the 60-mph-mascara-application
trick sometime :-).

noemi
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From: mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:39:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Apr8.163336.21362@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>
>I can't stand the ones who go to the front of an empty lane at a red
>light and then go the wrong way, just to get past the other cars
>waiting in the proper lane.  There is an intersection on the way home
>from work where this happens all the time.
>
>Almost everybody takes a left at this intersection, so the "straight
>ahead only" lane is often empty.  Some Bozo inevitably zips to the
>front of the "straight ahead" lane, and then tries to take a quick left
>when the lights turn green.
>

That or the folks who drive up to the very end of a merge lane
before moving over (Usually happens on crowded roads, but I've
seen people just cruise along ignoring the signs, then expect
someone to be nice to them just because they are in a jam).

Bad thing about it is that if they would just merge cooperatively,
the traffic wouldn't jam up, and it would be easier for everyone
to get thru the bottleneck.

Just one of many things I wish the police would start ticketing
people for...

-- Mike
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From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 05:42:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec.driving

In article <1992Apr10.222941.3319@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu 
(Noemi Berry) writes:
>    
>    [ various stuff deleted ]
>
>what's this with the QUESTION MARK?!  are you unsure of my gender?!!!
>sheez!!  well, if you want proof, i'll do the 60-mph-mascara-application
>trick sometime :-).
>

I finally got a throttle lock installed so I can use my right hand while
applying the mascara. It was tough trying to do it left handed. How do
you manage the lipstick? I keep getting it all over the chin bar. Maybe I
should switch to an open face helmet. This new California helmet law
sure stinks. I mean, like, now I have to put the foundation on before
the helmet 'cause it covers my forehead. What a drag.

Lissa
shoun@netcom.com
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail.  Not NOT!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:28:15 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

This sounds like a case that was in the S.F.Bay Area news a couple of years
ago.  If my memory is correct, the judge considered the young woman's driving
record which was clean, and the other circumstances which included the fact
that she was so distraught by the incident that prison time or some sentence
of that type wouldn't serve any constructive purpose.  I never did hear how
the families that were effected felt about the outcome though.  

I seem to remember that the driver was a real "basket case" afterwards. It 
was rather suprising to me that the media was unusually sympathetic toward
the driver which was a young woman about 18 or 20 years old.  I couldn't 
help thinking how my daughter might have felt had she been driving since she
was about the same age when this incident occured.  

This one has to make you wonder how you would call it if you were the judge.
    
   I wouldn't want the job...

            Gary
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Best Roads in NE?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:17:33 GMT
     <1992Apr7.183526.18195@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
     <1992Apr8.134405.21258@pictel.com> <MATT.92Apr8123640@world.std.com>
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
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In article  Steven P. Miale, spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU writes:

>One pretty area in New England is the area of Providence, RI near Brown
>University. It's very pretty up there. Newport is also beautiful,
>especially in the summer.

Yes, indeed.  One of my all-time favorite spots is Ocean Drive, which can
get pretty crowded in the summertime, but has sunsets that are
untouchable.  If you go with a bike, Jamestown/Conanicut Island (right
over the Newport Bridge) is the best! 

- Peter
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 16:33:26 CET
From: <BMORRIS@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Slick-50 Motor treatment/oil
Distribution: dal
 <10APR199215073884@rosie.uh.edu> <1992Apr11.143419.2323@cs.dal.ca>

Slick 50!  Great stuff and if you've seen the companies PR film then you'll
know that you can drive a Volvo truck on a dry sump after treating the engine
with Slick 50.
Unfortunately you cannot say the same about my 1972 MGB GT.  Having rebuilt
the engine approx. 3 years and some 16,000 miles ago I decided to use Slick 50
in the engine, gearbox and with the special transmission Slick 50, in my rear
axle.  About 3 months ago, while standing at traffic lights, the oil cooler
decided to spray oil all over the roads.  I was only 10 kms from the nearest
"MG emergency hospital" and 5 seconds from a Shell station.  Trusting my
Slick 50, I purchased 5 litres of oil, filled my engine and drove to the "MG
hospital" where a new cooler could be purchased.  Within the three months my
oil pressure dropped from 75 psi at 2,500 rpm to 50 psi.  Damage internally
was bad but it gave me the excuse to go for an exchange engine and upgrade
from the standard 1800 to the big 2 litre.  Will I use Slick 50 again?  NO!
Well not unless I decide to swop my MG for a Volvo truck - they go for miles
on a dry sump and you can believe that cos I've seen the PR film!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Busted!
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:48:22 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <1992Apr13.004010.14185@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Robert.M.McLennan@Dartmouth.edu writes:

... ticketed for doing 65 in a 55 zone...

> My question
>is, what policy does Mass. have with regards to reporting tickets to
>other states?

they are a member of the driver's license compact (this is a recent
development) which means that _in theory_ they exchange information.

>  I can handle the fine, but I'd rather not have this on
>my record back in Illinois.

in practice, my advice is to pay up quickly and quietly; despite the
official policy of reporting all tickets mandated by the driver's license
compact, most states don't bother unless the ticket isn't paid promptly.
in particular, given that MA is currently in serious budget trouble,
i'll wager that they don't want to spend the money to report every
single ticket given to an out-of-state driver.  so just pay it.

>  Also, what is standard insurance company
>policy for tickets?  If this is reported, will it affect my rates?  (My
>record is clean right now.)

sorry, this varies from state to state.  someone from Illinois will
have to answer this one.

cheers,
  richard
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From: randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:05:13 GMT
Organization: The Internet

matt@world.std.com (Matt Saucier) writes:
> Ok, folks, me again.  *THAT'S* why we don't pass on the right,
> boys-and-girls.  Yes, I'm a hypocrite, I do pass on the right (but
> never in the break-down lane!)  But I *ALWAYS* pull up behind the [...]

Good description of zoned out drivers...

I just found out that is *IS* legal to pass on the right in Ohio with
four or more lane highways.  That is two lanes or more each way.
Amazin'...  Not that I would do it any more often... :-)

Cheers!

- randy

randy@rls.uucp  <backbone>!osu-cis!rls!randy  rls!randy@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
It's a fax from your dog, Mr. Dansworth.  It looks like your cat.  - Larson
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:35:47 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.172614.16692@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
|> 
|> 	You want to talk about crazy speed limits?  There's an 
|> apartment complex around where I'm from where the speed limit is
|> (and I'm not making this up) 12 1/2 mph.  There's also a parking
|> lot near a mall where the the limit is 11 mph.  You have to wonder
|> what drugs these engineers were on.  (BTW, to avoid stupid flames: I 
|> know that 12.5 is 25/2, but that's no excuse)
|> 
|>

These are usually the result of a traffic engineer wanting to call attention to
the speed limit.  It seems that everyone pretty much ignores those 10 MPH signs
but when it says 11 MPH or 12 1/2 MPH then drivers actually see it.  It is an
effective way of informing drivers of a potential hazard, such as a tight turn
or a speed bump!


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
National Semiconductor       a little temporary safety deserve neither
Santa Clara, Ca              liberty nor safety."
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Benjamin Franklin
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From: chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Chuck Schultz)
Subject: Re: Rolling a Civic..
Organization: The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:14:34 GMT

jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk) writes:

> In article <1436@tivoli.UUCP>, aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes...
> >pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
> >+  Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
> >+prone to rolling the car.  In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
> >+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard...
> 
> Yes, almost all VW's will lift the inner real wheel during hard cornering.
> My Scirocco is more than happy to lift it's wheel, despite my very stiff
> suspension.  However, this does not necessary indicate a propensity to roll..
> I have seen many VWs, from early A1 cars to Corrados lift the rear wheel, yet
> I have never seen (or heard of one) that has rolled.  I'm sure it has happene
> but not in my autocross experience or otherwise.  I have spun my car more tim
> than I wish to reveal, yet I have never felt like the car was even close to
> rolling.  
> 
Even my _diesel_ rabbit does the "dog at the fire hydrant" trick
while autocrossing, with no ill effect.  

However, I do know one fellow who, supposedly, rolled
an acquaintance's (read:  former friend?) Rabbit.  Now _he_ owns
the car, and has installed a new fender, hood, sway bar, struts, and Yokos. 
> --
> Jeffrey M. Mayzurk
> 
> jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu
> 


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:24:37 -0400 
From: Jeff Joseph Dale <jd4k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DeLorean info request

I'am a student at CMU, and a few months ago I read an article in the
newspaper about an entrepreneur from western Pa who was trying to bring
back the DMC name.  He was supposedly working in conjunction or under
the approval of John DeLorean.  I'm sorry I can't remember more, but
there are a lot more important things I should be remembering.  Hope
this helps.
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