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From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: ALWAYS REMEMBER (was: Re: Guy Fawkes night)
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:07:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Sep28200714
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA


There's a poem (song?) about the old saboteur, which begins:
'Always remember the 5th of November...' Does anyone remember
the rest of it, or know any details about it?

Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13072 talk.religion.misc:17207
From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: In response to Jon Livesey, also stand on EC, Maastricht and the Ani
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:50:19 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <DiFRRB7w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>Definitely!!
>
>Religiously and morally,  it is written in the Revelation according to John,
>that Rome is going to be the seat of this Empire.  Brussels I do believe will
>get lose to Rome, thus completing this prohecy.  
>

It is also written that Revelation is a bunch of crap.

Revelation is a bunch of crap.

There.  Told you.
There are several places in the USA called Rome.
How many states/provices are there in Canada.
About 10 isn't it?  Is there a Rome in Canada?
Is DSY the antichrist?
Beware!!!!!

This is the Word according to Hugh.:-)
Not CSU
--
hg798502@longs.lance.colostate.edu
I am not a free man, I am a number.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:26:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: philmtl.1992Oct1.142610.7534
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>Since we're back on this subject again  - I wish *I* had done this very
>thing in a few over-priced London restaurants.  Had a couple of rather
>unpleasant experiences with rude and even argumentative staff. 
>I retaliated with tiny tips.  Should have left them $$ instead to make
>the zipperheads work a little more for their money. 
>
>Next time I'll carry some small US change with me...

Why would you leave _any_ tip for rude and argumentative staff?

(and was the tip in addition to the service charge on the bill?)
-- 
Ray Dunn at home    |    ray@philmtl.philips.ca    |    (514) 630 3749
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:28:38 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Sep28.181734.4500@bnr.uk>, agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
says:
>
>Can anyone think of a derogatory term used by other nations (that the
>British can understand to be insulted by it), to refer to the British
>(or in my case the English)?
In Ireland, Brit is usually used as a derogatory term. As it is often
prefaced by an expletive, you're unlikely to mis-understand the intent.
That's not to say that every Englishman is automatically regarded as
a ******* Brit, but if you, for instance, create a traffic hazard by driving
around Dublin city looking for (invisible) directional signs, you're
likely to hear the cry go up "Get off the fuckin' road, ya fuckin' Brit, ya!"
(Unless you're driving a hired car, with non-Dublin license plates, when
the cry will be "Get off the fuckin' road, ya fuckin' Culchie, ya!")
>
>I don't mean things like 'Limey' or (from a Scot) 'Englishman' :-)
>
>   Alan
>
Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Celtic History in England
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:26:12 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <Bv51C6.H5I@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
> From article <1992Sep25.123646.13146@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, by ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant):
> > In article <1992Sep25.072057.9729@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> >>I don't think the English play down their Celtic history simple because I
> >>don't think the English have one, not to talk off. The main historical
> >>contact the Anglo-Saxons had with the Celts was pushing them to the
> >>extremes of the Islands and then completely surplanting Celtic culture
> >>with their own.
> 
> Just read an interesting new book by N.Higham of Manchester University
> called Rome, Britain, and the Anglo-Saxons which argues that an awful
> lot of Celts stayed in place and were acculturated. Not sure I agree
> with all of it, but it is a stimulating and IMHO worthwhile read.
> Published BTW by Seaby's.

OK OK, I know that the Celts weren't *all* shoved off into never never land,
otherwise the Saxons would have a bit of a job surplanting Celtic culture
due to the fact that it would have gone with them.

Simon.

-- 
  Simon Patience
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:21:45 GMT


In article <1ah9ttINNf5g@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:
|> 
|> Industries *can* come back: look at the British car industry,
|> from a low point in 1989 it is now expanding again,

Small but subtle difference, there used to be a British car
industry, now there's a car industry in Britain - spot the 
difference!

|> to the
|> level that by 2000 Britain will probably be the largest
|> car exporter in Europe again. It makes little difference
|> to the British economy that this time much of the investment
|> came from Japan rather than the USA: Nissan is no more nor
|> less foreign than Ford or GM.

Jacques Calvet's (head of Renault?) quip that the UK is Japan's aircraft 
carrier in Europe is fast becoming true. Honda, Nissan, Isuzu already having
large investments in the UK, as well as Rover (25% Honda owned). When you 
add to that list -  Vauxhall (GM owned), Ford UK (Ford US owned), Lotus 
(GM owned), Aston Martin (Ford US owned), Jaguar (Ford owned, UK or US?), 
there is virtually nothing left that is British.  

|> Martin Baines, Sales Support Manager

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:57:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.071017.2323@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <venable.164@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu>, venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable) writes...
>>In article <26432@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>> 
>>>>Truck vs. Lory
>> 
>The spelling is "lorry"
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Craig Cockburn, Digital Equipment Co. Ltd, Reading, England.     Suas

Not if we're discussing Australasian parrots!!
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From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:11:08 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1992Oct5.161729.7964@st-andrews.ac.uk> rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson) writes:
>I pities your ignorance and dispises your ignorance.
>Have either of you read any Burns other than 'red, red rose'?
>A Cotter's Saturday Night?
>Tam O'Shanter?
>surely not...

No, neither have I read any McGonagall other than "The Tay Bridge Disaster".
Does he get better too?

As a poet, Burns is somewhere at the Bob Dylan level.  Of course, a lot of
people reckon that Bob Dylan is the world's greatest poet.
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:37:36 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct2.083433.12348@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>Unfortunately it is not as simple as this. It has been made
>quite clear that if mines are not maintained they flood or are
>damaged in other ways that make them unuseable.
>
>You also seem, like many free marketeers, to be ignoring the
>time drag factor. If it once again became beneficial or
>necessary to use British coal, a coal industry could not be
>rebuilt from scratch.

99% right.  The error?  In the last sentence.  Not 'if', but 'when'.
Coal is a finite resource, and the (currently) cheaper pits will run
out.  This assertion is strengthened by looking at the oil industry as
an analogy.  In oil, though, they have the benefit that it is not as
difficult to re-open a capped well.  It is (I'm told) more expensive to
re-open a closed coal mine than to dig a totally new one, because of
the geological disturbances caused by the initial mining.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:21:22 GMT

In article <CC.92Oct1230548@garay.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <5336@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>
>   So, compulsory? Yes, if tied to a performance.
>   If not, show a movie version.

	Yes, but that bloody awful mangling of Lear that came out in
	the early 70's.

	Alec.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: "Ms. Johanna Wise" <jmwise@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Price of a Burberry
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:28:18 GMT


Can someone give me a reasonably accurate figure for what one might cost? I
am coming to England in about 10 weeks and would like to have some idea. I
would be buying a ladies coat. What kinds of options affect the price?
Which stores sell them (I only have one listed here) ?  Any help or information
will be greatly appreciated.

Ta Very Much.
J.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:07:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp)
>When I hear about comments in British newspapers
>about currency problems I sometimes think that
>the question of valuating a national currency
>is somehow handled like a question of  victory
>or defeat in former times.

It is a question of defeat for the government. They made a firm
stand for keeping the pound at a high value in the European
Monetary System, wrecking many people's lives with the high
interest rates that were necessary to keep it there. Now it
appears that all the sacrifices made were in vain, as the pound
has dropped anyway in the end.

You are right that a lower pound makes British exports more
affordable, but it also makes imports more expensive in
Britain. This was the argument for the high pound - it would
keep imports cheap and hence inflation low.

What you won't hear mentioned quite so much is that devaluation
is a much worse thing for the rich who hold sterling assets,
than for the poor who don't have assets. This is why
devaluation is a particular defeat for the Conservatives who
are the rich people's party.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13583 rec.arts.books:17614
From: mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Translate Shakespeare!
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:01:19 GMT
Reply-To: mlemmerm@oracle.nl (Mick Lemmerman Publisher)
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <1992Oct5.005013.21463@math.ucla.edu> dstein@dione.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
|  Shakespeare, most of all, should be finally translated into English.
|  I enjoyed "Romeo a Julie" in elementary school, but here in High School
|  reading Macbeth was no bed of roses.

Romeo and Juliet? That's a song by Dire Straits innit? Who's this
Shakespeare bloke anyway? Is he the manager of Shakespeare's Sister?
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US language skills.
Date: 1 Oct 1992 10:33:32 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <26231@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

> The really odd thing about Biblical Fundamentalists is that they
> beleive lots of things which are not supported by the Bible, or are
> even contradicted by the Bible. Of course the _think_ what they
> believe is in the Bible, but if you ask them to show you where they
> are usually quite baffled. I've come to the conclusion that very few
> Fundamentalists actually read the Bible at all, they just carry it
> around as a talisman.

But its such an all-purpose reference book. For almost any subject under
the sun you can find at least one reference supporting it, and at least
one reference objecting to it. I'm just surprised nobody's revised it
recently to add TV & computers, there must be a ready market for  "thou
shalt not..." on those subjects. Mary Whitehouse would have a field day...

Steve
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:19:21 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Oct6.130347.20360@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
|> 
|> In article <qnd2tvc@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Oct5.132145.23061@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> In article <1ah9ttINNf5g@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:
|> |> |> |> 
|> |> |> |> Industries *can* come back: look at the British car industry,
|> |> |> |> from a low point in 1989 it is now expanding again,
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> Small but subtle difference, there used to be a British car
|> |> |> industry, now there's a car industry in Britain - spot the 
|> |> |> difference!
|> |> 
|> |> And the difference is <drum roll> the new car industry in Britain
|> |> is allowed to get on with the job of building cars any way it
|> |> wants, buying its parts from any supplier it wants, using whatever
|> |> labour it wants, at the lowest cost it can get,
|> 
|> Do you really believe that they placed factories here because British
|> labour is the cheapest?? or because it was the most qualified/experienced
|> (Nissan actively looked for totally unqualified people, in the economically
|> depressed area they decided (!) to place their factory).
|> 
|> The reason is <drum roll> british goverment subsidies.

There are two separate questions getting mixed up here.

Question 1: Why is there a foreign owned car industry in the UK
when there used to be a British owned one.  Answer: because we
don't screw the foreigners as badly as we screwed ourselves.

Question 2:  Why do foreign owned car factories get set up in
the UK rather than in, say, Iceland.   Well, a host of reasons.
Access to the EC, availability of trained labour, use of the
English language, absence of active hostility to foreign investment,
decent education system, nice golf courses, and yes, probably 
tax breaks too.

But you know, both of these boil down to the fact that when you
have screwed yourself, you sometimes have to be *very* nice
to foreigners.

jon.
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Price of a Burberry
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:57:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <BvLv3F.LEr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jmwise@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ms. Johanna Wise) writes:
> 
> Can someone give me a reasonably accurate figure for what one might cost? I
> am coming to England in about 10 weeks and would like to have some idea. I
> would be buying a ladies coat. What kinds of options affect the price?
> Which stores sell them (I only have one listed here) ?  Any help or information
> will be greatly appreciated.

Don't buy a Burberry.  Believe me on this. There are too many Americans
wandering around in light brown Burberrys and sneakers.  Why don't you
lash out on something more ... unusual.  What about a bright green rowing
splash-top?  With holes in unusual places.

No joke.

Jason

> 
> Ta Very Much.
> J.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:59:10 GMT

From article <2901@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, by mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher):
> 
> Brilliant! It's about time we debunked this "Shakespeare is good for kids"
> myth. I can now read and enjoy Shakespeare, but understood very little of
> it at the age of 14. What was the point? I managed to pass O-level
> English Lit., but all that meant was responding with standard answers to a
> set of standard questions. I was not really expected to understand, or
> come up with any original thought or criticism (god forbid!). It was 
> difficult and boring, like memorizing dates in history lessons, and
> probably did a better job of putting me off Shakespeare than encouraging
> me to read more. 
> 
Why teach children anything cultural which they will not understand at
their age (which is most of culture)? 

An arguement can be made that even though they may not appreciate the
material at their present age they are at least becoming familiar with
"cultural facts" and later when they will appreciate the material they
will have a culural base on which they can build.

I am not arguing that Shakespeare should be compulsory, but I am saying
that material of that nature should be taught even to kids.

														GW
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:26:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Oct5.133608.3915@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

   Henk Jonkers (h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl) wrote:
   : I'm not a Brit, but since about a year I can tell the difference (after
   : a Canadian explained to me how to). But I'd still like to find out how
   : to tell apart an Australian and a New Zealand accent.

   But I digress.  Look out for the treatment of the short 'i'.  The NZ
   accent (or at least those I've encountered) modifies this to something
   more like a short 'u', so look out for 'it' sounding like 'ut', etc.

I've met few New Zealanders, but those I've met all tended to pronounce the
word "yes" as "yeez".  Never heard that from an Aussie.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:02:52 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Sep29.062354.18381@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>Why is this bonkers?  It sounds like an excellent idea (although it might
>be better to require more than one play).



As the marking of exams is now supposed to take into account the spelling
and grammar used in the answers for subjects such as physics and chemistry
(a GOOD IDEA) AND Shakespeare is to be used as an example of "good" English
would you be marked down if your physics exam answers were expressed using
the grammar and spelling used within the good old bard's plays?  

I suspect you would.h :-)


-- 
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UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
I'm too sexy for my .sig
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:19:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <26511@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
=>mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
=>
=>[...on the uk coal industry....]
=>
=>>Unfortunately it is not as simple as this. It has been made
=>>quite clear that if mines are not maintained they flood or are
=>>damaged in other ways that make them unuseable.
=>
=>>You also seem, like many free marketeers, to be ignoring the
=>>time drag factor. If it once again became beneficial or
=>>necessary to use British coal, a coal industry could not be
=>>rebuilt from scratch.
=>
=>Why not? They got built once. Surely we can do it again with our better
=>technology?

But first time around they were not full of water.

As an aside, I notice that most posters view Arthur Scargill with great
suspicion, but if we cast our minds back to the claims he made during
the miners' strike concerning the number of pits the government planned
to close, we can see that he was, if anything, optimistic.	

-- 
=======Jeremy Henderson========jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk===============
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: sgi
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:00:37 GMT

In article <92Oct05.111244.28367@acs.ucalgary.ca>, quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> I must be missing something here.  Do playwrights write plays to be
|> >|> acted or to be read?  Do you read opera?  Do you read film scores?  
|> >
|> >Yes, you are missing something.   People do read this stuff.   My
|> >local bookstore has an entire section of Opera scores.
|> 
|> Well, what is it?  Do playwrights write plays for reading or for
|> acting?  Of course people read these things--I do myself.  But the
|> idea of reading say, the Magic Flute, without listening to it strikes
|> me as rather unusual behaviour.

I'm not sure why you think it's so unusual.   I expect there is
something to be got out of reading a written text that you don't
necessarily get from a performance.

|>  
|> >|> Laban?  Stockhausen?  To be really insulting, do you read synchronised 
|> >|> swimming scripts, and let your 'imagination' provide the performance? 
|> >
|> >I don't know about synchronized swimming, but people write books
|> >about competitive swimming and diving, and other people read them.
|>  
|> Well, so what?  I believe I said "scripts", not "books about".  Let's
|> stick to the point, which is that the scripts I refer to were written
|> to be performed, not read.  Now, did WS write R&J to be performed,
|> or did he write it to be read?  That was my question.

And when he wrote it, did he think "I'm am *not* writing this for
someone to read"?

I don't get it: do you seriously suggest that poetry is there to
be read when it's a poem a page, and when it's organized as a play
it's intended *not* to be read?

jon.