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From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Youngest Going To Kindergarten
Summary: school bus
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:18:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Aug13.191854.15651
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

> 
> I'm just curious - how many of you out there in net land have their
> youngest child going off to kindergarted this fall?  And, if you do
> how are you preparing that child for it?
> 
> My son has experienced all day nursery school, and all day at home with
> dad who works nights, I'm sure he is not afraid - but I was just 
> wondering if anyone has any neat "gettin' ready for school" rituals
> they would like to pass on?????


My one nephew is starting kindergarten this fall, and he's really very
happy and excited about it, mostly because he'll be taking a school
bus to school.  He is just so psyched about getting on the bus, like
his big brother does (even though they won't be on the same bus).
So if your little one will be taking a school bus, maybe you can
get him excited about the bus ride.  My nephew already had his "trial
run" where the kids do ride the bus (with a parent) and go to the
school to meet their teacher and check out the classroom and school.
He was thrilled with the bus.  Just a thought.

Or how about having him pick out stuff for school.  A back pack?
An umbrella?  If it's all-day kindergarten, a lunchbox? 

  Christine
  first due 1/19/93
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: teething: summary of responses
Date: 12 Aug 1992 10:02:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Misc.kids certainly came through (again). I think
I replied personally to all who responded to my
plea for help with a teething 6 mos. old, but
I wanted to summarize here, for all those with
infants (who will presumably teeth someday):

1) First, make sure it really is teething, and not
an ear infection, as the symptoms (seems painful to 
suck; fretful; waking crying at night; etc.) are
very similar.

2) Provide relief in the form of infant tylenol (or
tempra, or whatever), orajel, teething rings, ice
cubes plain or wrapped in washcloth, frozen juice pop
[check with doctor before giving any medication]

3) To encourage eating/nursing: first provide some
relief using one of methods in 2) (and the juice pops
serve double duty by getting some calories in). Then,
because vigorous sucking seems to hurt, make it easier 
by enlarging the nipple of the bottle [I finally had some
luck by partially loosening the cap of the bottle to
reduce the vacuum; this makes sucking a lot easier (and
she gets more down before getting too fussy to eat)]. 
A misc.kidder in Scotland has a special nipple, sort of
like a sippy-cup spout but soft, that serves the same
purpose, but that I haven't seen in the States. Also,
if your child is old enough, try using a straw or cup; if
not, try feeding liquids from spoon if all else fails [I've
been mixing formula into her fruit so she gets some extra
that way]. Keeping the head straight seems to help too -
I've noticed that Isabel is more comfortable sucking either
flat on her back (which I like to avoid because it's bad for
her ears) or straight up - in desperation I bought one of 
those straws that fit in the bottle, and this really works!!
She can keep her head up while drinking, and I think it's both
more comfortable and she can be more easily distracted.
Cold bottles may be accepted more readily than warm.

4) All of this is normal and will pass! And, according to
Isabel's doc, as long as a kid over 6 mos. old has 2-3 wet
diapers daily and moist lips, she's not dehydrated.


Hope others find this helpful.

-Dena
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:04:15 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Aug17.201108.2202370@locus.com>
judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>I have found starting at about 3.5, having friends became VERY important to
>Mitchell.  More important than I could have dreamed.  And having 21 children
>show up for HIS birthday party was better than any of the toys he recieved.
>He felt loved and popular and it did wonders for his self-esteem.  Yes, it was
>some work.  But nothing else we could have done for him would have given his
>newly emerging social self the boost that party did.
>
>So, before you chuck birthday parties, take a look at the needs of your child.
>It may be that skipping the birthday party equates with skipping lunch on the
>negligence scale.
>
>So, flame war anyone?
>--
>Judy Leedom Tyrer
>
>"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"        - William Blake
 
   No flames here.  My neighbor read somewhere that the rule of thumb should
be to invite the number of children equallling the number of years of the
birthday child.  So her three-year-old had three kids at her birthday party.
That just doesn't make sense to me - her child plays on the street with more
than three kids every day!  I agree - 'take a look at the needs of your child'.
Some kids would be unhappy swamped by a crowd of preschoolers (those
introverted kids) and others would love it!
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:26:59 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <25442@dog.ee.lbl.gov> lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger) writes:
>
>So I'm wondering what other people's experiences are. I'm pretty
>convinced of the introversion/extroversion factor in parents, but
>what about babies? Are there introverts out there who have had
>one active and one quiet baby and really noticed a big difference
>in how hard it was to parent?
>
>Lindsay
>

Well, I'm an extrovert married to an introvert with one child of each.  I find
that my husband has trouble understanding and sometimes parenting our 
extrovert child and I have trouble understanding and sometimes parenting our
introvert child.  I just e-mailed this story and here's a post beggin for me
to tell it.

Monday night I got home ready to play with the kids and wanted us all to
go outside and play together.  I had bubbles and it was going to be great.
Only Erin took one look at me, screamed, and ran and hid under the table all
curled up in fetal position.  I looked at my husband puzzled.  He knew
immediately.  "She's been with people all day long.  She doesn't want to come
out and play.  She wants to be left alone."  So I let her pick a video to
watch and we all sat on the couch quietly (Erin thinks I talk to much - she's
probably right) snuggled together in merciful peace.  She must have turned
around at least 5 times during the video to kiss me for understanding her
needs.  I took the kisses, though they really belonged to Ron.  

I really have to put effort into parenting Erin.  It's a different kind of
difficult.  I think it's much easier to parent a child who is basically like
you in temperment and personality.  
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: WALKING
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Zachary is 14 months old and has shown no signs of wanting to walk.
He will sometimes push his fire engine by holding on to the handle and
start walking across the floor.  He will only do this when he wants
to.  When I try to get him to do this, NO WAY!  Ive tried walking with
him, he just buckles his knees and gets down and crawls.  Ive tried
using a walker, he climbs out of it.  What can I do?  Zack is a big
boy, he weighs about 22 pounds, and is getting a little to big for me
to carry (ie. to the car, down the hall to laundry room, to the elevator,
etc.).  Around the house he gets where he has to go on his own.

Im sure one day I will look up and Zack will be walking right by me!
Meanwhile, any suggestion to help him along would be appreciated.


Angie (Mom to Zachary, 14 months old)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Representing myself--not my company.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:27:51 GMT

IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
:. . . if christians do not like being seen
: as fundamentalist hate-mongers, perhaps they should be doing
: something to make themselves not appear to be fundamentalist
: hate mongers.  where is the organize christian backlash
: against this hate??? (and don't quote from unitarian/universalist
: sources.  they don't count, as they are nto necessarily or even
: mostly christian.)
: 
:                                     -ailsa

Well, I'd say these christians are there but not in the news.  Anyone want
to take a guess why???  If you want the authoritative source-book on
christianity for a true and honest view of what christianity is and is not,
go straight to the Bible.  The Bible teaches that many things are sin and
teaches people to warn others, but it says nothing to indicate that people
are to go out and hate, kill, and bash one another.  Refusing to support
is not bashing.  Prefering is not bashing.  Administering influence is an
act under the protection of religious freedom, and if biggotry consists in
disapproval of a behaviour or a teaching, then those accusing christians of
biggotry for disapproval of immorality are the biggest biggots and hypocrites
of all!

Keep in mind real reality--folks who call themselves christians sometimes
*are* biggots, and some of these folks really do bash gays and lesbians
and violate the religious freedoms of others.  But, to use them and willfully
draw those folks into the limelight as representatives of true christianity
is to lie and slander and cast false guilt upon the majority of christianity!
Real, good-hearted and loving christians do not deserve this treatment!  What
have they themselves done?

If you want to find a real hypocrite, or a real biggot, or a real hateful
bashing person, don't go looking for them in the church!  Keep in mind that
the devil places his hypocrites inside the church to give the hypocrites
outside someone to point their fingers at!
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 13:40:35 EST
From: <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Toddler table/chair recommendations

When I was a child, lo these many years ago, my parents bought a door (no knob
hole), a couple of child-size chairs, and 4 screw on coffee table legs.  They
painted the door with enamel paint and put the legs on it. Voila! BIG table
and chairs.

Cynthia Eldredge
James's mama (6.5 mos)
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:08:50 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA

In article <1992Aug20.221741.2959@mdd.comm.mot.com>, nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
|> In article <cathe.714330177@xanadu> cathe@xanadu.ucsb.edu (Cathe Gordon) writes:
|> >Hello,
|> >
|> >My husband and I were watching our 1 year old last night as
|> >he pushed is little wooden soapbox car around the room
|> >making car noises up and down the roads (legs, arms, whatever
|> >was in his way).  I'd never seen him do this and I certainly
|> >don't make car noises when we play.  My husband stated that
|> >he thought boys would NATURALLY have this trait and a girl
|> >wouldn't.  You can imagine the discussion that followed that
|> >sort of remark.  My question is this...does anyone know
|> >of a good child development book which discusses the issue of
|> ...
|> >I'm hoping to prove my husband wrong (he said he'd be happy to admit
|> >defeat if he had a girl who made car noises).
|> >
|> >Cathe Gordon
|> >cathe@ece.ucsb.edu
|> 
|> 
|> It's quite funny that a human could have some NATURAL (i.e. unlearned)
|> behaviour towards cars. Maybe we've genetically mutated over the last
|> 4 generations.
|> 8-)
|> 
|> Anyway Justine (a girl) makes car noises with her toy cars.
|> 

My little girl (19 months) also makes car noises when playing with
her cars.  It's really fun to listen to!

I'm also not sure where she picked it up!

Leigh Ann
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:24:33 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:

> I had to take Liana (age 2 1/2 mos) in to the emergency room for a high
> fever (just a virus - she's ok now), and while waiting, Liana expressed
> an interest to nurse.  So I did, as discreetly as possible, since I was
> still in uniform.  The old guy seated a couple seats away got up and
> left.  I thought -- gee, aren't you a little old to be embarrassed?
> 
> I keep waiting for the day when everybody accepts nursing for the
> natural event it is.  Of course, I'm also waiting patiently for the day
> when everybody stops smoking.
> 
> Michele, the eternal idealist.
> ----------

I generally leave also, or at least step out of view, out of consideration
for the more modest among us. None of the ladies I know are embarrassed in
any way to breast-feed in public, but I know a few that don't particularly
like having their breasts stared at by unfamiliar males. So, if I don't know
any better, I leave or step away. 


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Neverending Songs
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:47:48 GMT
Summary: aaarrggghhh!!!!!!!

In article <1992Aug17.205646.9261@bnr.ca>, grahama@bnr.ca (Graham Ashby) writes:
> 
> If you watch TV, you may have heard the song...
> "This is the song that newer ends, 
> It just goes on and on my friends..." (etc) (ad nauseum)


Shari Lewis and Lambchop, according to my 7-year-old.

And that's why when Sesame Street ends, I let him change the
channel to Bozo (even though I'm sure the kid commercials
and Popeye cartoons are warping him and his 21-month-old brother).
Because I just can't take him launching into more loud
offkey perpetual enditions of the  "song that never ends"
(actually, he' normally a nice singer, but there's something
about the "song that never ends" that brings out the 
"let's drive Mom over the brink" instinct.

Actually, even without "the Song that Never ends", I
find that Shari Lewis and Lambchop get on my nerves
pretty quickly. . . I'm not quite sure why.  Maybe
too much singing and perkiness.  (Too much Shari)
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 19 Aug 1992 08:37:37 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:14:54 -0400 (EDT)

>I believe I could handle a third child much more
>easily - after all, I have already resigned myself to being 'on duty'
>straight through until 9:00 at night.
 
I resigned myself to this with #1 - I am on the go from 6:30 am to at
least 9 pm, and that's only if I decide not to do dishes that night.

-Shirl

RJ - 2.5
Due Jan. 31
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:13:11 GMT

IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>the bible says quite clearly "suffer not a witch to live," so
>that shoots down the comment of someone that saud that someone
>else was lying when he said that the bible requires killing people
>like me...  (well, i wasn't mentioned by name, but it's still me -
>and katy too, for that matter)


I don't think you will find many Christians who would kill you. There
are good biblical resons not to. What the Bible says can't really be
found from a single verse. You need to take it in context. Who was it
for? Who is a witch? Do you do the things that witches of that time
did? Does it apply in all contexts?  How would it apply today?

What is clear is that God's people are not to deal with witches.
   

>also, i find it the height of arrogance that someone would
>pray for me to convert to their disgusting deity so that i
>can be made truly happy. 

Why? Does it hurt? I think it's arrogant to call someone who others
claim to love "disgusting", especially when you don't even accept the
reality of their belief in that being.

> i view someon prosletyzing my daughter as roughly equivalent to
>exposing their genitals to her.  worse, actually.  she's SEEN
>genitals before.

Well I'm concerned about what people tell my children too. I don't
quite see people prosletyzing as "exposing their genitals" to them
though. I think it's a good thing if people with different views to
mine occasionally tell my kids what they believe. A long term,
deliberate, programme of indoctrination would bother me. Someone on a
street corner wouldn't.

> ...  and, for that matter, seems to me the WORST reason for
>worshipping a deity is because you are afraid of what it will do if
>you don't.  how is a deity like that any better than a devil?

Fear (as in being afraid of what will happen to you if you don't) is
not the best reason to worship the Christian God. It's not the reason
I do.  But even if you do worship through fear a big difference
between gods' (assuming they exist) is their effect on the worshiper.
The Christian God exhorts his followers to virtues like truth,
persistence, gentleness, and self-control. 


Tony
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Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Summary: off on a tangent...
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:24:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

>In article <1992Aug12.202549.24557@keps.kodak.com>, mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes...
>> 
>>An issue I haven't seen voiced in this thread which is an issue with a 
>>second child is balancing the conflicting needs/wants/desires of the two
>>children.  They are often in direct conflict with each other, and meeting
>>the need of one means denying the other.  Parents have to choose, and it is
>>very hard to choose one child over the other when you love them both so much.
>>We all do it, and most of us manage it quite well, but it is still a mental
>>and emotional job we didn't have when we had only one child's needs to 
>>consider.

This brings to mind a situation that I've thought about posting to the
net:  My daughter has a friend, Sarah, up the street who has a 6-year
old sister, Kristen, who is completely deaf.  They are both very nice little
girls, and Kristen really likes to play with my 22-month old.  The problem
is that the parents seem to be considering only Kristen's needs in every
situation.  Sarah cannot come to our house to play because Kristen
is not allowed to play at our house (her parents won't allow it; it would
be fine by me--I don't know sign language but Sarah would be there to
translate).  Sarah cannot join my kids and I when we walk our dog in
the evenings along a nearby flood-control canal because Kristen isn't
allowed to go.  Once I walked up the street with Paul in his stroller
and the dog on the leash to see if the girls wanted to come with me; when
Sarah asked her mother if she could go, the answer was this guilt-laden
admonishment about being inconsiderate of her sister's feelings (the first
and last time I ever asked, needless to say).
My own opinionated opinion is that this attitude is detrimental to
both girls--to Sarah for denying her her own life and to Kristen for
coddling her.  But is there anything I can do about it?  
My instincts tell me that the parents are the type who are 
firmly set in their beliefs; they are also generally quite 
protective of both kids.  Suggestions are welcome.

Sue
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: two 9 month olds, two totally different behaviour ?s
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:35:16 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Aug14.011337.5115@colorado.edu> menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon) writes:

   My friend Julie and I each have a 9 month old boy...Julies Josh is
   2 weeks older than my Ezra.  Both kids are fairly happy and gentle
   babies, but we have one problem for each of them that is driving us buggy.  
   Josh first...he's a robust fellow who has been raised by his mother and
   father only

He'll outgrow it. Some kids go through extreme phases with being
attached. It's actually healthy that he's so attached, although
inconvenient. 

   Ok, for my problem.  Ezra throws mega temper tantrums when he doesn't get his
   way.  Not a big deal for a 9 month old, except he will throw his head and
   body back and smack his head inadvertently causing even more crying and pain.
   This happens several times during the day when he doesn't get his way.  He
   has hurt himself a couple of times because of this behaviour.  So, what to
   do.  He is such a tiny fellow, I don't know how to go about discipling him...
   please no suggestions from Alan Yasutovich...everybody else, I am listening!

You need to protect him as much as possible. When you see the
situation about to happen (he's getting frustrated, you're about to
say 'no' to him) you need to keep him from hurting himself. It's ok
that he's crying and disappointed, you just need to let him have his
tantrum where he won't get hurt. Put him on a carpeted floor with no
toys (or only *soft* toys) and don't fuss about it, but don't walk out
on him, either (do something in the room he's in). Wait as patiently
as possible for him to finish. You can also give him words for what
(as best as you can guess) he's feeling. As you are moving him to a
place where he'll be safe say "I see you're upset/frustrated about
...." Or "you really wanted that ..." or whatever. Just a sentence or
two to let him know you understand he's upset. As he gets much older,
he'll find more and more words to use instead of throwing himself
backwards.

And do what you can to help ease the situations for him before he
throws a fit. It's very hard being a little thinking being and still
being unable to do much of anything for yourself.


-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
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