HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda Helix or Elite
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:40:48 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


sandman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>Depends on what kind of riding you want to do. If you want something
>that is fast, responsive and blows every other scooter out of the water,
>buy an Elite 250.
While sandman and I don't quite share riding habits (what was that max speed
you claimed?  90mph?  yikes.)  I'll agree with him.  In the scooter world you
can go honda or vespa, and unless you like to fix your own machine, you should
stick to the hondas.  I've put almost 10000 miles onto my CH250 over the past
two years.  I've ridden over hw 9, and up hw 35 (skyline).  I've done much
commuting up 17 from SC to Scotts Valley.  I would suggest you get a 250,
a thick helmet, a pair of heavy gloves, a solid leather jacket, and take the
MSF course.  Don't make the stupid mistake of thinking that just cause the
250 is a big piece of plastic that it can't hurt you.  Students are notably
poor about protection -- especially on the small scooters.  A 250 is safer
than the small scooters since you can get away from problems, you have a
larger wheel base, bigger tires, more mass, etc.  But all it takes is one
deer, one car, one patch of sand, one yawn and your skin becomes a second
entity.

Of course sandman has moved onto a 600f and I'm looking at R65s and GS550s
so don't expect to keep a scooter forever.

-- 
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Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howie@che.udel.edu (Ian Howie)
Subject: Re: Hard-soled shoes/boots
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.221220.8534@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes...
>In article <1992Aug14.151816.16144@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
> 
>>	The facts are the facts, and I don't dispute your story, but I
>>	personally feel much safer and comfortable wearing boots.  
> 
>i believe it was ian (of steve and ian's excellent adventure fame) who low-
>sided his fj, receiving a scar in his boot down to the steel toe.  had they
>not been steel toe, he would be :-)

Yeah, that was me.

While repairing the FJ, I found a vertical crease in the right muffler that
was probably caused by the bike LANDING on my foot during the unexpected
and abrupt "get-off". Nothing else at the scene of the accident could have
caused this damage. My feet were one of the few parts of me that wasn't
sore that nite.........

Later

Ian

*****************************************************************************
Ian Howie           "Life is too short to drink bad coffee........"
(302) 292-8598   
1990 FJ1200                                        howie@oscar.ccm.udel.edu     
*****************************************************************************
From: dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:58:48 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1497@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
>
>God, what an incredible heaping pile of bullshit that damned Dana dug up.
>(Oh what a stink we generate, when we set out to excavate.)
>I _still_ think he (it's HE, isn't it?) has too much time on his hands,
>and thinks it's funny. Which it isn"t, yet, but it's getting closer.

You are taking things far too seriously. Lighten up. What makes you think
I'm a HE, anyway?


-- 
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (213) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RE Mr. Small
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:18:39 GMT
	<BtA8y9.7pM@wpi.WPI.EDU> <1992Aug20.225026.321@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
	<1992Aug21.203115.506@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:31:15 GMT, shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) said:

Roid> In article <1992Aug20.225026.321@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
> tell you what, ravi, when you can infer how to make a big piece of
> black metal go faster than anybody thinks it can at close to the edge
> of the atmosphere, get back to us.

Roid> Perhaps ravi's expertise is with carbon-fiber composites and not
Roid> metal...

Dryden flies carbon-fiber composite airplanes both high and fast, too.
We've always had the latest here.  I worked on the first "plastic"
airplane, the HiMAT, in the 70s.  The Mach-25 Shuttle has a
carbon-carbon nosecap and a variety of carbon-fiber composites on it.

The SR-71 has composite elements, too.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Going into the closet
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:56:39 GMT

I hoyd about dis club, you know, these ladies who are
working for the defense department, you know, very
patriotic and what not and why not, I say it is a 
very nice country and then maybe so I wouldn't want
to do the job but it's nice that they will so everything
is very nice and then I decided that well, everyone 
complains about the impersonality of being known
only by a number (SSN, man number, etc) and so well,
really I don't have that much personality and there is
a whole helping of numbers out there and not nearly enough
folks taking up the flag and so I wrote the KotL and told
him of my urges and expected him to say something like

"Well, son, step out of the open and into the closet . . ."
(Anticipated story about the old A&P in 1932 deleted)

And well, I got no response and well, I tried again and 
got no response and so I read 76000 articles and never once
saw the number 1313 put beside any respectible person's name
and the FAQ just said I had to request such status, not
necessarily receive approval and so if nobody else
has said this then I'd like to congratulate myself on
receiving a totally impersonal replacement for my name:

DoD#1313
Man, I gotta start using drugs or something.

Jack Waters
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:35:35 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
>liking this, I decide to turn my head and give him an eeeeeevil stare at
>the red light.  I said NOTHING, just looked, and then looked at the
>10 nanometres spacing between our machines, and looked back at him.
>This ASSHOLE gives me the finger, and says fuck off!!!  
>I replied: 'Just keep back!' His girlfriend was beside him...
>
>What would YOU do ?

Whenever a male tells me this, I merely reply "No thanks, you're not
my type!"  With his girlfriend beside him, I might add "Your lady, on
the other hand..."  and proceed to bust the light.  Just make sure that
you can outrun the guy, particularly if you add the last part...

Mr. Bill

-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #0224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"feeling paskeresque, which is always better than feeling pasker." Cliff Weston
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan)
Subject: Re: GPNDG: Thoughts
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:20:45 GMT

From article <1992Aug17.200511.23293@serval.net.wsu.edu>, by johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns):
	:
> I want to thank all who helped, including Jeff Earls, Carl Paukstis, and
> my spy in Seattle.  Carl deserved special thanks.  His Spagthorpe St.
> Bernard (I had never seen one before, a real treat for me--he even took
	:

I cannot believe that I've heard on the e-grapevine: that no one had
the presence of mind to take a photograph of the St. Bernard for Bruce
Tanner's digitized photo archives at cerritos.edu. Please tell me that
it's not true. I've very close to scrounging up an old photograph of my
Uncle Crighton roostering on his Spagthorpe Terrier out in one of his
fields. (I may have to twist cousin Poindexter's little slimey head off
to get it, though.)

--
John Sloan              "Since I've given up hope,       +1 303 497 1243
NCAR/SCD                   I feel much better."      Fax +1 303 497 1137
Boulder CO 80307-3000 USA                           jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu
Logical Disclaimer: belong(opinions,jsloan). belong(opinions,_):-!,fail.
From: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles.dirt,rec.motorcycles.racing,news.groups
Subject: Re: MC group traffic -- velly interesting
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University

jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:
>steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>>shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>>steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>>>> By best estimate based on the numbers provided, the distribution would 
>>>> increase from 50% to 58% of all sites, as per the distribution of the 
>>>> rec.motorcycles.{dirt|racing} subgroups.  The "actual number of readers 
>>>> in the sampled population" would be expected to increase from 233 to 270, 
>>>> and the extrapolated figure for the expected total readership of RMH would
>>>> be 16240, 2240 more than the present 14000; a 16% increase.
>>>Anyone working at AT&T that is forced to use the Columbus Netnews Servers 
>>>cannot receive alt.motorcycles.harley but will be able to receive 
>>>rec.motorcycles.harley.
>>I assume that "anyone working at AT&T that is forced to use the Columbus
>>Netnews Servers" can receive rec.motorcycles.{dirt|racing}.  How does this
>>alter the above estimate, or are you in agreement with the estimate?  It
>>certainly doesn't appear to alter the estimate at all...

>Seems to me that an increase on the order of 16% is pretty damn good, 
>but then I happen to be a part of that percentage. 

I make no claim about the "goodness" or "badness" of an alleged 16% increase.
I merely provided what I believe to be the best possible estimate based on
the data provided within Paul Blumstein's (I believe) post, since he put 
forth the idea we should speculate on the increase in readership.  I used
the data he put forth, and based my assumptions on the same figures that
USENET uses.  Assuming that the USENET statistical approach is accurate/valid,
I have yet to see any claim which refutes my estimate, where the challenging
author uses an argument based on the provided statistics.

>As for the accuracy of your estimate? I place it right up there with the 
>statement: 
>"On average every human has one ovary and one testicle."

Amusing, but inaccurate.  There are more people born missing one or more 
ovaries/testicles than those born with a surplus.  Also take into account
the fact that such appurtenances may be lost due to injury.  [ :-) or :-( 
as the reader feels appropriate. ]  Therefore, the sum of the 
ovaries/testicles per person *must* be less than two.

Hair-splittingly Yours,
Steve Garnier - DoD #00000005 - '79 XS1100SF w/ 157K+ miles and *climbing*
KotF (Flame),  KotAM (Anecdotal Motorcycle),  The Daemon's Byte
steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu       "Ineluctably Prolix" - John Norman Sims, Jr.
Come an' get it!  Served up nice an' *hot*!!  Get yer FREEEEE *logorhea*!!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:09:08 GMT

Steve Mansfield (smm@uunet.uu.net) sez:

[info about USAA rates deleted]

>I pay $180/year for this.  The drawback on them, though, is that they
>don't insure crotch-rockets in any way, shape, or form.  When I called
>the first time to get a quote, they said they didn't insure my bike, but
>then the lady realised I had said GS550E, not GS550SE.  It's amazing the
>difference one letter can make....;-)

Heh. They said the exact same thing when I called. "Nope, sorry, we don't
insure the GS550 because it's a rocket bike [sic]." I was a bit surprised,
considering that the bike in question was a GS550L (hardly a "rocket bike", to
the non-suzukified (maybe one of those water rockets...)). They eventually
relented...

Anyway, like Steve said, they have great deals on insurance.

Dan
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:18:09 GMT

csl@swlrei (SCOTT LILLIOTT) writes:
>YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum) writes:

>>I cannot understand why any man with balls would ride a Harley
>>Davidson motorcycle or any other motorcycle when the PORCHE
>>is clearly the thing to have.  Dump those silly toys, little
>>boys and get into the real thing.  PORCHES!!!!  Harleys,
>>motorcycles, hah!  Whatdayagonna put your golf clubs in?

>At least learn to spell PORSCHE ...

"Say Mister, I'm all done painting your Porche, but that weren't no
 Porche, that were a BMW."

The straight line is left as an exercise for the reader.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Carb rebuilding advice wanted
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:40:46 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.

In article <133632@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> turner@rastaman.llnl.gov (David Turner) writes:
>Hola!
>
>I've decided I can no longer postpone rebuilding the 4 carburetors on my 1982
>Honda VF750S (Sabre). [...]
>What I'm looking for from the net is general advice,
>specific hints, emotional (and financial) support, etc.  Any and all responses
>will be greatly appreciated; however, keep open flames away from volatile
>liquids...many thanks...later...DT
>
>David Turner

Some general hints that come to mind:

- Get an egg carton or something similar to hold the small parts - mixing
  them up or losing them is *very* frustrating.

- Do the "carb cleaner" spraying in a very well vented area, outdoors if
  possible; this stuff is very nasty, and you don't want to breathe it.

- Get exploded views of the carbs from service manuals and refer to them
  often; if something you take apart can't be easily put back together
  using those views, draw your own diagram (it's usually too late by the
  time you figure this out, though :-( ).

- Always keep at least one carb assembled - when all the diagrams in the
  world won't show you how the frammis pin fits in the escutcheon, you can
  examine the intact carburetor.

- If you have CV carbs and intend to reuse the diaphragms (not worth the
  [albeit considerable] savings if this is a high-mileage rebuild), don't
  get any of the solvent *anywhere* near them.  Make sure the carb is
  completely dry (use compressed air, if available) before reinstalling
  rubber parts.

- Take care with the brass parts (jets, needles, etc.); they strip and
  score easily.  Don't clean the jets with wire; it could easily ruin them.
  The pressure and cleaning action of the solvent is almost always adequate,
  anyway.

Take your time and be methodical.  Good luck!


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:58:17 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <4799@balrog.ctron.com>, tavares@danville (Jack Tavares) writes:
> laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
> : you GUYS.  to imagine that people PAY you to think for a living. 
> : 
> : you just get the address, go down to city hall and look up the address
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^
> : in the tax records.  it'll tell you who owns the property and how much
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^
>....
> : remember, there is NEVER a good reason to involve ANY government
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : agency in a search for information.
> : 
> What?
> What do you call city hall?

you don't have to ask anyone to look up the information: just go downtown,
ask for the assessors office, and there will be a big book on the counter
with just the information you seek.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Re: Braking Distances (was Re: Scooters and a non-flame for
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:21:33 GMT

In article <17916.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>
>-> cages are shorter when ABS is not activated, ie. near the limit of
>-> tire adhesion. Once ABS is activated the braking duty cycle is
>-> reduced and stopping distances will increase. ABS only gives shorter
>-> stopping distances when compared to lock-up distances or when
>-> manuvering on a less than optimal
>
> Absolute drivel.  I've been autocrossing for ten years, and know more
>than a little about braking at the limit.  My garage is still full of
>balance bars and proportioning valves.
>

It may not be quite correct, but it is not "absolute drivel"
either.  The ONLY reason that a CAR with ABS can stop faster on dry
pavement than one without it is due to the ability of the ABS 
system to optimize traction at three (vette) or four wheels (NSX,
Beemers, etc.)  ABS is still not capable of using ALL available
traction, whereas the human machine is, unfortunately the human
cannot modulate four wheels separately.

However, on a motorcycle, the human CAN control and modulate two
wheels separately.  Humans CAN and HAVE outbraked ABS on motorcycles
due to the fact that ABS must make certain compromises in its operation
and therefore cannot utilize all available traction.

If ABS is so perfect (and better than a skilled human) why is it not
in place on race cars?  (F1, INDYCAR, NASCAR, etc.)

If required, I will post my previously posted article (to rec.autos.tech
I think) on Tire Fizzix...

As I said, I won't argue that in some cases an ABS car will stop faster
than a non-ABS car, however I felt it neccesary to qualify WHY this is
true...

Done Ranting, 
Steve


-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb)
Subject: Popping them
Keywords: high speeds
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:52:51 GMT


When you guys master those low speed wheelies try this. Find
a little drop off or rise on one of your favorite local roads.
When the time is right try hitting it at the DoD minimum with
just a light even tug of the bars. Believe me, there is nothing
like the feeling of the front end floating in the air at that
speed. 

The first time I came upon this phenomenon was by accident at
night. I spent a few minutes in prayer along side the road 
afterwards, if you aren't expecting or don't know how to handle
it(close eyes) it is pretty scary.   


KOLB
From: jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Replacement rear shock for BMW K75s
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:46:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: keithh@bnr.ca's message of 20 Aug 92 17:16:29 GMT


One of my BMW mechanics recommended a White shock. I assume he meant
White Bros. since I do not know if White Power (who makes forks) makes
shocks. 

--
Jonathan Polito                                      DoD #x (K 100)
jep@cs.duke.edu                                  jpolito@encore.com 
              "You Don't Say...." --- Sylvia Plath
From: pismobch@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Devinney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Spagthorpe's on parade
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:13:57 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <5750@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Hello folks,
>   Is anybody saving all the Spagthorpe posts?  I sure hope so, because
>I see the making of a great coffee-table book here.  I would like to 
>save them all, but the early ones have already expired, so who's got 'em?

I think I have them all - email if you _really_ need them (I'd have to 
upload from my local machine, and at 1200baud, it's a leetle slow, and I
actually pay to read rec.mc...).  

ed	DoD 0x0288	Spagthorpe Irish Setter (that's the alcohol-fueled
						W6 sport-tourer - no a/c)
-- 
ed devinney						pismobch@well.sf.ca.us
	"I don't know what the world may need, 
	 but a V8 engine's a good start for me..." - Cracker
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclists get a break. (& Carbon Fiber)
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:53:45 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net (Randy Davis) writes:
]jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito) writes:
]|Fiber sidestand pads at the RCR!  They work great and are very cool!
]|Another reason why the RCR is better...
]
]  Better than what, pray tell?

a loose bowel movement???

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Wearing a helmet
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:58:09 GMT

In article <BtCDpr.B1z@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>Paul Bonomo (paulb@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM) wrote:
>: After all, what trait can natural selection of modern humans 
>: work on besides intelligence?  My fondest dream is that you exercise
>: your personal freedom to be stupid ... and that you smear your brains
>: down the highway long before your moron offspring have a chance to breed
>: with my kid.
>

If we could count on natural selection on the basis of intelligence, we 
wouldn't have this mindless drivel on the net.

Jeff Achenbach
achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com