From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Abdur-rab Rassol Sayyaf: Is he a PRO_SAUDI MUJAHID?
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:22:13 GMT
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada


    In article: <1992Jul23.195740.15928@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
mirza@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Muhammad Mirza) writes:

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>   3. Let us not confuse the shia groups with Sayyaf's party. Iran is
>      a shia state based on an ideology. It must support every shia
>      group as part of their doctrine. Saudi monarchs do not, and I


    Complete mis-information. Iran does not feel obligation to 
support all Shi'a groupes, regardless of their actions and goals. a
good example can be the Shi'a groupe Ammal in Lebanon which is not
supported by Iran, and has many differences with Iran.

 
>  5. The last point about the Sunni/shia conflict. The role of the
>     shias throughout the Jihad had been hostile towards Muslims.
>     Now, when the time for the formation of an Islamic state has
>     come, the shias backed by Iran, will do their utmost to stop this
>     process. There is no other way to subdue them except through
>     power. Prof. Sayyaf, a devout Muslim leader is doing what is for
>     the best of this Ummah and may Almighty Allah grant him and his
>     party a clear victory against the enemies of Islam. Ameen.
>
>-- 
>Muhammad Javed Mirza
>The Ohio State University 
>Electrical Engineering Dept.


    I'm really sorry to see somebody who is a Muslim(I suppose), calling
Shi'as: "Hostile toward Muslims"!!! Aren't you extending the so called
"Sunni/Shi'a conflict", which only serves the benefites of Kuffar, by
calling Shi'as as non-Muslim? Are you kind enough to ellaborate in this 
matter, and tell us what you really think about Shi'a?

    I also want to re-post two of my previous articles in this matter, one
of which has two questions from Mr. Mirza, which unfortunately he never
bothered to answer: 


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    In article <1992May21.212005.3145@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>mmirza@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Muhammad Mirza) writes:

>   SHIA Iran and Mushrik India hand in hand against Islamic Khilafah
>   -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>           (Another proof of HIKMATYAR'S just stand)
>
>
>Muhammad Javed Mirza
>The Ohio State University
>Electrical Engineering Dept.
>
>


     I would appreciate if Mr. Mirza could kindly answer this two questions
rised from his article:

1- What part of above news implies that "Iran and India are hand in hand
against Islamic Khilafh"?

2- What do you mean by Islamic Khilafh, when you are talking about
Mr. Hikmatyar? Does it mean that Mr. Hekmatyar's possible governement in
Afghanistan would be the sole representative of profet Mohammad (PBUH) in
the world, and therefore having the authority over whole Islamic
countries? If yes, who has decided so and based upon what? And if no, agian
what do you mean by Khilafh, opposing to which (if any!) is considered
anti-Islamic by you?

                                    Thanks in advance


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         In article: <1992May14.052117.22415@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes: 

>               Silence about Afghanistan: Why?
>               -------------------------------
>
>                  (stuf deleted) 
>
>       Few words regarding Shia Iran, UNO and Afghan Nationalist.
>
>
>  1. Shia Iran 
>  ------------  
>
>     The role of shias is clear to those who have participated
>     in jihad  themselves or have met the field commanders. Iran,
>     as a shia state has to oppose an Islamic state as part of
>     their doctrine. I have discussed this before, but just to
>     summarize in Khumini`s words (adopted from Islamic Government):
>
>
>     " You (the shias) start the A'ashoorah (the day of mourning)
>       from the assassination of Imam Hussain (raa) in Karbla, but 
>       real day of mourning goes back to saqifah Bin Sa'adah, when
>       Imam Ali (raa) was deprived of his right to lead the Ummah."
>
>    Iran is and will be the biggest challenge to Islamic state in
>    Afghanistan and Insha Allah, will face the same fate as did USSR.
>


      I have been reading this newsgroup since two mounts ago, specially
after recent events in Afghanistan. During past two weeks there has been
a few articles, like the above one, which has been concerned to insult
and accuse Iran as the main and majure enemy of Islamic Jihad in
Afghanistan. The common thing in all those articles is possing the problem
of Shi'a and Sunni instead of showing real and logical evidence. Of course
I'm not qualified to talk about what should happen in Afghanistan, and I'm
not talking to those people whose desired and ideal Islamic Governement is
Saudi Arabia ,regardless of all crimes commited by rulers of the very origin
of Islam against whole Islamic Ummah, rather, I'm reminding those netters
with real Islamic conciece and having the ability to analyze Muslim Ummah's
problems regardless of unnecessary and deceiveing disscusions about Shi'a 
and Sunni. 

     -An acceptable minority of Mojahedin in Afghanistan are Shi'a. Denying
      the rule of this Mojahedin in Jihad and implying that Shi'a is against
      Islamic state not only is an evident lie, but also won't help the
      new Afghan governement(whoevere they are) to stablish an Islamic
      state based upon the will of Mojahedin and people, for it will be
      always a source of tension between governement and those who have been
      denied.  

     -Iran is the first nation in region to stablish an Islamic state 
      after tremendous amount of sacrifise to owerthrow an anti-Islamic
      governement like Shah's. The amount and diversity of conspiracies
      against this new state commited by USA, Israel and Iraq after
      revolution(mostly fed by Saudi family and rulers of Kuwait, the
      next victim of Sadam Hossein)just for being an Islamic state and
      asking for the unity of Islamic Ummah and regaining Muslims'
      dignity and glory, sold by dependent governements like Sasudi, shows
      how baseless and false the above allegations are. 

     -At the same time, when Iran was attacked by Iraq and it's supporters
      in order to extinguish the light of Islam in region and Iranians  
      were under huge economical pressures, between 1.5 to 2 milion Sunni and 
      Shi'a Afghan brothers and sisters were (and still are) welcome in Iran,
      and although their situation was not ideal, but it was by no means
      worse than other afghans in Pakistan, or India. Considering the
      general situation in Iran because of war and too far lesser 
      helps Iran received from International organizations compared
      with Pakistan, it is definite how much Iran(both nation and state)
      respected Afghanistan's strugle against USSR and it's pupets, toward
      stablishment of an Islamic and independent afghanistan. Denying all
      this facts and simple-mindedly alledging that:   
      
>     Iran is and will be the biggest challenge to Islamic state in
>     afghanistan and ...

      can only be understood when one considers the efforts of western
      powers and their pupets in Islamic countries to make tensions 
      between Whole Islamic Ummah, and preventing them from knowing
      their real "challenges".

                    Wa-Sallam-o Ala Man-e-Taba-al-Hoda