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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: The 7th Seal (Re: Thrillerdome now Whimperdome?
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:20:43 GMT

In article <C19nHJ.F6H@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Brett Costley writes:
>>
>>On another note.  As I was watching the game last night at a sports bar
>>I heard a guy a couple of tables away say that the ACC was trying to 
>>get Kentucky to leave the SEC and join the ACC.  I don't know what his
>>source was but I hadn't heard anything of the sort before.  Anyone else
>>heard this before?  I'm not very inclined to put much stock in it.
>
>Not with the ACC, which would be a decent match for UK football-wise,
>but with the Big10(11), which would be a decent match geography-wise 
>and whose members wouldn't resent UK for the 67-3 records that
>UK holds against them in hoops.
>
>When donkeys win the White House....sorry, wrong cliche...no. 
>Better chance of finding a good deli in Havana.

Havana has a fine deli in it...Havana, Ga. that is. :)

>
>-- 
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> U.P. OR BUST!

Kevin

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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:47:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.215443.10359@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>: 
>:  West coast schools do not cheat in recruiting. They do not offer drugs and
>: sleazy women to potential high school recruits, they do not threaten the
>: lives of the player's family members should they choose not to attend. All
>: of these things add up to why the West is out-recruited by the rest of the
>: country and often loses its top players to other regions. Of course the fact
>: that schools in the west require a player to actually attend class might
>: add to the situation...
>
>I *LOVED* this one.  Any responses from our panel of experts?  Besides, what
>does this say about the west coast kids who are taking the drugs and sleazy
>women, thereby prostituting themselves to the 'non west coast colleges'?
>
More interesting is what this says about kids who actually do play for
west coast teams, when they could be getting drugs, money and women on the
east coast. Of course if they were Tar Heel women, . . . . (:^)

	(Sorry guys, my ex was a Heel.) 


John Conroy.

>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Walt Maley    | 'You better grab ahold of something, simple but its true. If
>Chemist II    |  you don't stop and smell the roses now they might end up on
>wmaley@alchemy|  you.'  Husker Du
>uhl.uiowa.edu|                    *Hey, I only WORK here!*  ;)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Freshmen (was:  Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt)
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:09:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k4gb3INNem4
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>I'll try to get the current stats. Geary has been getting over 20 mins a game
>since pretty early on, Blair's time has been cut some but he is still up
>there and MaClean has only played the conference games so his minutes
>should be high. Hendrickson (who was not impressive against UA) has been a
>quality player - no doubt, but to say that someone like what's his name
>from Cal is a lock simply because the UA is deep and he gets minutes is
>a bit much. It is the same logic that puts Brian Hendrick on the all pac
>team last season when he clearly was not deserving. You either put the
>best on or you make the whole idea a joke - judging from past years
>you guys will probably be right and Cal will get 2 spots with 2nd tier
>teams like WSU getting the other three spots when clearly Reggie Geary is
>one of the top 5 freshmen in the conference and Blair is shooting well over
>70% from the floor.

Yeah, but 7/10 on the year won't get him an all-Pac freshman team.  I want
to see hard stats before I put those guys on the team.  BTW, if I recall
correctly, Hendrickson had a double - double against Arizona.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis)
Subject: Re: EXECUTE DICK VITALE
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:19:38 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1993Jan25.154003.7452@gw.wmich.edu> x92lowry2@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
> I HAPPEN TO LOVE DICK VITALE.  THE GUY IS AWESOME WITH A CAPITAL A, BABY!
>SURE YOU TEND TO THINK HE HAS A MENTAL DISORDER.  BUT YOU HAVE TO LOVE HIS
>ENTHUSIASTIC STYLE.  IF ALL ANNOUNCERS WERE MORE LIKE HIM THE RATINGS OF
>SPORTING EVENTS WOULD SKYROCKET.   BRICK-CITY USA , BABY!

Hey, you've got a point. If enthousiastic style is a reason to like 
somebody, then I am sure you like Pee-Wee Herman too! Actually, Dick
and Pee-Wee, are not to different in front of the camera. Their only
difference is that Dick is playing with his Pee-Wee most of the time,
while everybody knows what Pee-Wee is playing with :-). 
 
Imagine Pee-Wee doing the ESP Games? :-).


-- 
Zaphiris Christidis
zaphiri(@watson.ibm.com @yktvmh.bitnet)
From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:26:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>> Why else would a Texan be spending the best 8 years of his life in a Ph.D. 
>> program at the U-Dub?
>
> i'm sorry but this simply cannot be true. we're told here at Arizona all the 
>time that it takes only 4.5 years on the average to get a PhD at UW so I'm 
>afraid you must be lying to us. I'm sorry but I trust our faculty to the point
>of death and have no doubt that you are only trying to trick the rest of us
>into believing that it can actually take 8 years at the infamous (at least here
>at Arizona) UW to get your doctorate...

Sorry, Gary, but everything he says is true.  I've been here for 4.5 years
already, and the end is nowhere in sight.  I don't want to even begin to 
describe what they were doing to my dog in that underground bunker GT was
talking about.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: eastout@ugcs.caltech.edu (Eric A Stout)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BEST NCAA COACH! Who? Let's hear it!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:36:19 GMT
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: molest.ugcs.caltech.edu

>
>I'd say that Rick Majerus here at Utah does more with less than anyone.   
>Two years ago, 28-3 and the sweet 16.  Last year we'd have won the  
>NIT(Yeah, I know: big deal) had we not been jobbed in the semifinal vs.  
>Notre Dame.  This year, 14-2 and national ranking with misfits and J.C.  
>transfers.  The most important thing, however, is that Majerus goes out of  
>his way to see that everyone graduates.  He believes that basketball  
>always comes second to education. Colleges are supposed to be institutes  
>of learning rather than basketball factories, and Majerus' views on  
>education make him a great collegiate coach.

I agree that Majerus is undoubtably one of the best coaches in the country.
He has taken two suspect basketball programs and turned them into conference
champions and tournament contenders.  He took a Ball State team that was
lurking around .500 and had them in the tournament in his second year, as I
recall, with something like a 24-7 record (my memory is hazed, please don't
quote my numbers).  They beat Pitt and lost to Illinois' Leaping Quintuplets
of Doom (Anderson, Battle, Gill, Liberty, Bardo, I think) in the second
round of the tourney.  The next year, they beat Oregon State (with Gary Payton)
and I don't remember who else, only to have the honor of losing to champion
UNLV by a deuce, easily the closest anyone came to Vegas in the tournament.
I think Ball State went 29-3 overall that season.  Majerus is a good recruiter
with an outstanding knowledge of the game of basketball; I have nothing but
respect for him (except that he bailed on Ball State to go to Utah :-( ).

>James Kleimeyer
>FFF Research Center, Dept. of Chemistry
>University of Utah    SLC, UT 84112
>(801) 581-7168   hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu  (NeXT Mail)

Eric A. Stout
eastout@ugcs.caltech.edu
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Subject: Biggest Upset of the Decade
From: <ISSBTL@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 28 Jan 1993 01:06:26 MST
Organization: Brigham Young University

When making a list of the biggest upsets of the decade, one that should be at o
r near the top is the 1983 Championship Game Houston v. N.C.State.  Now before
you begin to disagree with me remember that the Fianl Four matchup of Phi Slama
 Jama v. Louisville was supposed to be the "unofficial" title game and Akeem, C
lyde, Larry Micheaux, Micheal Young, and Alvin Franklin destroyed Louisville fo
r a chance to simply cakewalk through the wolfpack to the title.  Also N.C.Stat
e would not have been in the tourney at all if they had not won the ACC tourney
.  This game was the only sporting event that I have cried after, seeing the
Houston players on their knees pounding the floor just broke my heart.
Well, I just had to get that off my chest.


                                                  Byron T. Lee
                                                  A Native Texan
                                                  Stuck in Another
                                                  Utah Winter
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:30:35 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <matthew.728010417@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> The real question is:
>   Why doesn't Lanier play?

Hey - if Manute Bol can play in the NBA, then Lanier can have some impact in 
a weak conference like the Pac-10.


			gln

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From: msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherrick)
Subject: Re: Cincinnati #6 ???  NOT!
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:32:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.174732.8313@news.ysu.edu>, ag496@yfn.ysu.edu (Joseph D. Bowman) writes:
> 
> I can't belive it - Cincinnati is ranked #6 in the nation.  They play a bunch
> of nobodies and keep climbing in the polls because good teams in front of
> them keep losing to other good teams while they continue to play the weaker
> teams in the country!
> 
> If Cincinnati belonged to a real conference, they would probably have an
> 8-5 record at best!  Correct me if I am wrong, butdid they beat a top 20
> team this season?  They are way overrated in my opinion!
> 
> Comments are welcomed, flames are not!
> 
> A Big Ten Fan

I think Cincinnati is ranked about where they should be.

Their only loss was to Indiana, when Cincy was without Corrie Blount and 
Terry Nelson, and Nick Van Exel was still recovering from surgery.

They have beaten some very good teams:  UMASS, Temple, DePaul, for example. 
Their schedule can hardly be called weak, but I must admit that it is not 
as strong as that of Big Ten teams. It's too bad that Ohio State doesn't 
have the guts to schedule Cincy, however, in spite of repeated requests. I 
would bet a lot of money that Cincy would kick the Buckeye's butts! (woof!)

Your criticism of the GMC conference is unfounded, however. I don't 
remember the details, but I believe the GMAC and Big Ten had an equal 
number of teams in the Sweet Sixteen last year.

Mike
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From: harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x)
Subject: Re: North Carolina #1 ... :-(
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:41:48 GMT

<JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Ouch!! It looks like it's true! If it wasn't for a fluke basket by Jalen Rose
>UNC would be undefeated. Carolina is truly playing the best basketball in the
>nation, they've played some of the best teams in the country, and have one all
>but one game. The way they are playing is reminiscent of Duke's no-one-can-
>touch-us style from last year. Let's face it, Dookies, Hoosiers, Wolverines,
>Wildcats, and Jayhawks alike, Dean has THE TEAM TO BEAT.
>                                                        -jim
>         ************************************************
>         * PSU-Hazleton  |  Go Duke!   |    Jim Bonczek *
>         * JJB146@      / Dean's got 1, \ psuvm.psu.edu *
>         *            /  Mike's got 2!!!  \             *

I'll second that very correct opinion!!! This team is as good as the 85
team. I'm wondering if they can go thorough the ACC without a loss
again!! 8-) Come on Dookies, you did beat the fab five this year. But
you don't have that one man team this year, it's much harder to play
as a team.
	l
	I'll second that>         ************************************************
From: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: #1 UK/Vandy thoughts
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 


JJ>gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch)  writes:
>Tell you what, Jeff. U of L, under Denny Crum, has had 28 players go to
>the NBA. Let's see what Pitino's record is in the next 20 years IF he is
>around that long, and I don't think he WILL be. If I offered him 2 mil
>next year to coach a pack of greyhounds at a track in Flordia, he'd jump
>at it. I'm beginning to like Joe Hall more and more. :-)

Jazzy J writes:
JJ> Unfortunately, having players go on to the NBA from your program
JJ> doesn't mean you're a good coach.  Bill Frieder had the likes of
JJ>`  Terry Mills, Roy Tarpley, Gary Grant, etc. play for him at Michigan
JJ> but has anyone ever confused him w/ a coaching genius?  Yet a coach
JJ> most consider a genius, Bobby Knight, hasn't had too many pro players
JJ> from his stable.  Unfortunately, having players going onto the NBA
JJ> means you're a good recruiter of talent more than anything else.

True, but I don't think anyone can question the coaching ability of
Denny Crum. You aren't doing this, are you? <g>

JJ> 28 players, eh?  Just interested, but who are those 28 players?

Let me get out my current press book of U of L Basketball, and I'll get
back to you. PROMISE!!!!

 gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com
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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: Coastal vs. Charleston?
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:24:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


I saw a schedule that listed a game this week between two of my favorite
giant-killers, Coastal Carolina and the College of Charleston, but no
score has shown up in any papers that I've seen (not that that surprises
too much).

Anyone know: a) if they played ?

             b) how it went ?

             c) the final score ?
                                            -stuart@apollo.hp.com

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: The NeverEnding Thread (Was: Re: Duke loss)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:17:28 CST

In article <9003@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.133111.582@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>ROB MACKENNA = Roy Navarre
>
>Therefore, 
>
>Brian E. Saunders = Dale Brown
>
>Gotcha!

Really?!?  I'm not sure I get the reference.  But from what I see, you
equated me to Dale Brown like I equated you to Roy.  Now, Roy thinks Dale
Brown is a great coach, and he really respects him.  That means you must
think I'm great and respect me.  Well, thank you.  I have not been
complemented this well in r.s.bb.c for a long, long time...
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke Blues
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:54:37 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <9125@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>Wow, now that Duke has lost a few all us Dukies are real quiet and the
>net has moved on to bigger better (or should I say Tender Tastier)

I wouldn't venture to speak for anyone else, but I for one am laying low
and letting the Tar Hole fans embarrass themselves.  Wow.  A couple of
these guys make me think the Legislature ought to rename Carolina again,
this time to UMASS!!!-Chapel Hill.  Curtis, wherefore art thou, Curtis??
>
>Duke swept by UNC, loses total of 5 ACC games, finishes in top-3 in
>conference.  Tourney loss, #2 seed in NCAA.  Guess what?  Final Four
>again ! Championship?  I wouldn't say that.  I won't even put them in
>the finals.  But if Duke doesn't make the final 4 again, I will eat my
>hat.  The one with DUKE written on it.  And Curtis Hill can send me
>a CAROLINA hat to covet and treasure...
>
Well, I'll agree with you up through the ACC Tournament.  I just went
and plunked down my $140.00 to watch us get upset in the semis.  Oh
well, you gotta take the bad with the good, and God knows it could be
worse (I could be a State fan...).

But I think this will be the year the Final Four streak gets stopped.
Why?  Lack of toughness.  The one thing I think Duke really needs is the
one guy nobody on the other team wants to mess with.  Hurley's my size,
Grant Hill is too nice, and T. Hill is too inconsistent.  These guys
haven't lost enough to really hate it.  G. Hill said after the FSU game,
"Well, my freshman year, we lost seven games and still won the national
championship."  Hmm.  I think these guys need to get good and pissed if
they're going to make it to New Orleans.

But God knows they've got a better chance than Cincinatti.  Geez.

- Rob Mac K


-- 
*ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
*        [}uke             1991 National Champions      "At least we      *
*          Blue Devils:    1992 National Champions    don't still suck."  *
****************************************************** rjm1@acpub.duke.edu*
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National POTY
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:27:34 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucky.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan26.123046.29364@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.152144.51528@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>
>>(Actually, if we look at it as to which player has had the greatest impact
>>on their teams success...
>>
>>	Glenn Robinson of Purdue ... With him, a top 20 team, without him,
>>	Big Ten Basement...)
>
>I disagree; having Robinson around has made the other players not work as
>hard 


Doesn't that change the definition of POTY?  I mean, if the POTY is
the guy who elevates everyone else's play, then the POTY is probably
some guy on the bench.

I'd say the POTY is the guy who makes an immediate and obvious
difference in the team's win-loss record (and has the nice numbers
to boot!).

-- 
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu 
--

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Random UK thoughts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:38:11 GMT


	Just some random UK musings:

	-- Seems like UK is starting to settle in as a team.  From the
	Alabama game, it was nice to notice the Cats kinda abandoning the
	3-pt shot and actually having some half-court offense for a change.

	-- The perimeter defense has been tremendous.  While Travis Ford
	is small and not as quick as some of the other players, he seems
	to be doing a decent job on his guy.  Dale Brown and Junior Braddy
	have just been tremendous.

	-- From what it seems to me, here's Pitino's rotation:

	Starters			Reserves
	--------			--------
	PG -- Travis Ford		PG -- Tony Delk
	SG -- Dale Brown		SG -- Junior Braddy
	SF -- Rodrick Rhodes		SF -- Jeff Brassow
	PF -- Jamal Mashburn		PF -- Jared Prickett
	C  -- Rodney Dent		C  -- Gimel Martinez

	Andre Riddick and Chris Harrison have also gotten time in certain
	situations (and have contributed).  Right now, it seems like the
	only guys designated for scrub time are Timberlake and Svoboda.

	With these designations, it seems that everyone has taken on their
	own role:

	Mashburn -- key scorer, Mr. Everything
	Rhodes -- second scorer, secondary ball-handler
	Brown -- big-time defender, occasional bomber
	Ford -- only real point guard, dead-eye bombing
	Dent -- rebounding, shot-blocking, finishing on fast breaks
	Braddy -- defense, occasional bomb or two
	Brassow -- hustle, oustide shooting
	Prickett -- rebounding, hustle
	Martinez -- off the bench low-post scoring
	Delk -- to buy time at PG, some outside shooting
	Riddick -- shot blocking, defense
	Harrison -- outside shooting
	Timberlake -- scrub time
	Svoboda -- serious scrub time

	-- With Walter McCarty coming in next season, it would not surprise
	me in the least bit if Aminu Timberlake transfers.  Even w/ Jamal
	gone, his # of minutes is not going to increase w/ Dent, Riddick,
	and Martinez still around.  He's facing the same doghouse Carlos
	Toomer ran into last season.

	-- Why does Todd Svoboda always have his warmups off?  It's like he
	thinks he's going to come into the game or something.

	All comments are welcome.

	Jazzy J
	
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