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From: Gordon.Wormser@launchpad.unc.edu (Gordon Wormser)
Subject: Re: aikido in florida
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.143826.15761@alw.nih.gov> ackerman@helix.nih.gov 
(Eric Ackerman) writes:
>Does anyone know of an aikido dojo in Melbourne, Florida that
>welcomes short-term visitors?  If not, how about Miami?

American Butokukan-UF 
Address:  Miami, FL 
Contact:  Todd Jones 
Affiliat: USAF 

Brevard Aikikai 
Address:  Melbourne, FL 
Contact:  Grady Lane
Affiliat: USAF 

Florida Aikikai 
Mail:     P.O. Box 684, Dania, FL 33004
Contact:  Peter Bernath 
Affiliat: USAF 

Melbourne Aikikai 
Address:  Melbourne, FL 
Contact:  Michael Hughes 
Affiliat: USAF 

Miami Aikikai
Address:  Miami, FL 
Contact:  Nelson Andujar 
Affiliat: USAF

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:24:43 -0500 
From: Edward Liu <el24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: need JKA contact
	<1992Dec10.173625.3056@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>

In <1992Dec10.173625.3056@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>Here is:
>
>JKA/SKA: Master Oshima...Shotokan Karate of America,2500 S. La Cienega Blvd,
>                     Los Angeles, CA 90034,(310) 839-5170
   I was under the impression that Master Ohshima broke away from the JKA after
Master Funakoshi died, but he didn't want to join the other folks leaving the
JKA to form the Shotokai.

>JKA/ISKF: Master Okuzaka...International Shotokan Karate Federation
		  ^^^^^^^
>                       222 South 55th St, Philadelphia, PA 19104
>                       (215) 222-9382
   That's "Okazaki"

>JKA/FSKA: Shihan Kevin Funakoshi...Funakoshi Shotokan Karate Association
		  ^^^^^
>                               San Jose, CA
>                               (408) 453-8112
   Is this supposed to be "Kenneth?"  I've heard of Kenneth Funakoshi, but not
Kevin before...?

   Just wondering.

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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Agreed: rec.martial-arts hierarchy
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:25:08 GMT

In article <BzK46M.FAD@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <BzJIMI.JHJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>>I think we should really break up this group.  martial arts as a term is
>>so general.  hapkido, judo, 200 types of karate, gun-fu, PCP-fu.. :)
>>This is just a little suggestion, no need to flame. :)
>>
>> [listing of suggested new groups deleted.]
>Just a thought, not flaming.
>What about other "major" style of MA.
>Aikido, taichi,TKD, various KungFu styles isnt on the list, I would 
>think the have as much popularity as those you've suggested.
>So it could get hairy as to which MA should warrant its own subgroup.

Exactly.  Open a can of worms like THAT one, and you're going fishing.
With flame-bait, no less.  You know what we'd catch, too: "Why doesn't
Foo-Do have a newsgroup?  It's (bigger|older|meaner|Greener*) than
Pseu-Do, and THAT <derogatory term> has its own newsgroup!"  Nothing
but carp, carp about the MA newsgroup structure all day long...rec.m-a
as we know it would certainly flounder!

*Greener: Closer to that mythical ultimate MA, Greenoch, which does
not and never did exist (the Druids who appeared at the mention of the
name can leave now...)
	-Steve
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:29:28 GMT
Subject: Judo: Good Kung Fu idea
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts


A couple of weeks ago I learned a neat bit of Kung Fu that is really useful for
judo.  Apologies to Kung Fu exponents if I get the ideas wrong, I've never seen
any before.

The common thing to do when you don't want someone to take hold of your jacket
is to block their arm with the outside of yours and to push up and out.  (This
is, usually :-), much gentler that a karate block)  This is the type of motion
that I generally use.

The Kung Fu people have this idea of just moving the wrist in a very fluid
motion that is quite different to anything that I have seen in judo.  They move
the hands (from the wrist) in inward spirals, keeping the arms fairly static.
If you catch an arm  reaching for your jacket (at about the wrist) with one of
these swift rotary hand movements it really does confuse the opponent and I
find that if I can grab their sleeve on the way down I can often do something
usful with it.

This technique is useful because it is unusual, I have never noticed judoka
stop an arm by moving it down or with a wrist action.  It is also economical,
there are no wild sweeping arm motions that can occur if you are stopping them
with an arm.

You can persistently use this technique to stop the opponent getting a grip and
keeping them away but this isn't too good for several reasons:
- The ref will penalise you for not fighting
- They will get used to it
- It's a pretty poor way of fighting, much better to use this technique to stop
them getting a grip while at the same time getting a good one of your own.

I can't see anything illegal or unsporting about this technique, what do you
think? 

Cheers

Brenda 

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From: lau@sunset.ai.sri.com (Stephen Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car jacking
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:19:04 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: dkm@cci632.cci.com's message of 17 Dec 92 13:41:33 GMT


I would have gotten out of the car as quick as I could. Claw hammers
and having the chance of the car rolling into the intersection 
against the red light while you're pre-occupied doesn't make for a 
very good scene.

Even if you did stay in the car, pretty soon his other 3 friends would
have joined in the fun with you stuck behind the steering wheel.

Steve

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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:28:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec13.213436.6208@desire.wright.edu> jchristian@desire.wright.edu writes:
>I'll admit I don't know the effects of PCP vs. alcohol, but I'm pretty sure
>that it's very dangerous to say that they're similar.  There are too many cases
>of PCP'd out people with broken arms still punching the bejeezus out of cops. 
>I don't know enough about PCP to know how it affects balance.  I would much
>rather face an enraged drunk MA than ANYBODY on PCP.  That idea scares me
>silly.

I don't think it's appropriate to be scared silly. Years ago I had the
unpleasant privilege of experiencing PCP's effects firsthand. It
produced a sort of numb disorientation and a sensation like moving
continuously at high speed. It also seems to mess with short-term
memory, and to impair balance, though perhaps not to the same
degree as alcohol. It isn't very much like being drunk.

Pain submission holds probably won't work against a PCP-head,
and neither will pain-oriented discouragement techniques. Throws
will work, but expect the guy to get right back up again after
hitting whatever. I like leg breaks for PCP-heads. Take
out their foundation so they can't come after you. Ordinarily
I think of knee-breaks as to be avoided (because I spar with
friends a lot), but if my life is in danger I won't be so
chary about inflicting permanently debilitating injuries.
From: vkalia@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Vandit Kalia)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Training - Sparring, workout and / or holds ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:36:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I have been following the discussions on the number of hours one 
must train to get a BB, but I have one question : how do people in various 
styles define 'training' ? I train around 7 hours a week, of which 1 hr is 
spent stretching, another 2 hrs spent practising basics ( various strikes 
and blocks ), around 2.5 hours practising combinations and self-defence
moves and the rest of the time doing katas.

	
in addition, I usually squeeze in a couple of hours of sparring a week .

	Incidentally, I train in Ryu Kyu Kempo Karate - I am curious what 
the average regimen is, for exponents of other karate styles ( and also 
other MA styles ).

Vandit

$0.02 DEPT :  I think katas are a highly underrated way of learning karate -
IMO, they build up fluidity, control and speed. Comments ???
From: billc@motatl.UUCP (Bill Cutts)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kenpo
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:40:01 GMT
Organization: Motorola MCG, Atlanta, GA
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croberts@next-1.gac.edu (Christopher J Roberts) writes:
: A local gym recently began to offer classes on Kenpo.
: My question is "What exactly is it?  I was told it was
: a Korean style of karate but other than that I am ignorant.
: Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to
: email me or to post.
: 
I train in Okinawan Kenpo (Okinawan Kenpo Karate Kobudo Association).
There are also Chinese Kenpo (usually spelled Kempo) styles and at least
one American Kenpo style (Ed Parker). This is the first time I have
heard of a Korean Kenpo style but I like the alliteration.

All of these styles are very different. The bottom line is just the name
Kenpo doesn't imply much.

Sorry for the lack of info,

Bill.
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From: mack@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Caren Mack)
Subject: Hal Roach... error!
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:51:08 GMT

     As bizzare as it may seem, I posted my question about Hal Roach to
rec.arts.movies "only" and it also showed up here on rec.martial-arts.
So figure that in the wonderful world of eletronic mail!

     Sorry for the intrusion and "thanks!" to the couple people who personally
emailed to me simply asking why I was here and didn't flame me like some other
news groups might have.

     Caren
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Realistic Escrima
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:35:40 GMT


   All Escrima styles must eventually become double-stick
styles. The reason is that single-stick Escrima has an
inherent weakness. This weakness is on the side that does
not have the stick, meaning if you carry the stick in
your right hand, your left flank is your weakness. You need
a weapon in the left hand, in order to be able to defend
the left flank. 
   If you have been practicing single-stick Escrima 
most of the time, you should now practice for ambidexterity,
doing all techniques with stick in the left hand.
   In addition, you must be able to integrate short range
and long range with fluidity. For this, your fighting 
stick should be midway between Serrada and Largo Mano
length. 

                       regards,  Khalid Khan
From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:40:14 GMT
Subject: Re: WTF + ITF = ???
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

>Not to mention that Hapkido and Aikido
>use the same kanji characters (which the founder of Hapkido claimed 
>was just coincidence; anybody know more about this?).  

The founder of Hapkido (Choi, Yong Sool) was the adopted son of Japanese
GrandMaster Takeda, Sogaku.  Choi studied under Takeda in Japan from the 
age of 9 until Takeda died in 1943.  Uyeshiba was also a student of Takeda
from 1918 thru 1921.  (Choi and Uyeshiba remained friends until
Uyeshiba's death in the 60's.)  Choi founded Hapkido in 1948,
supposedly adding the kicks present in the Korean Kwans with what he had
learned from his father in Japan.  Choi claimed that he named Hapkido after 
the island Hokkiado:Hapkido.  

Two students of Choi were the current GrandMaster of Sin Moo Hapkido, Ji, Han
Jae and the GrandMaster of the World Hapkido Federation, Myung, Kwan Sik.
(gleaned from Tae Kwon Do Times, March 1989)

Ray
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: need JKA contact
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:14:35 GMT

In article <6tS=qtB@engin.umich.edu> ftit@woundedknee.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec14.193332.22331@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com ( ) writes:
>|el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Liu) writes:
>|:  I was under the impression that Master Ohshima broke away from the JKA after
>|: Master Funakoshi died, but he didn't want to join the other folks leaving the
>|: JKA to form the Shotokai.
>|
>|If you go to their dojos they say yes we are JKA too. Just try them.
>
>Um, nope.
>

	I agree with Ed and Sergej. I've studied at both, and they are
definitely seperate organizations.

	I thought that Oshima and Egami split off into the Shotokai, and that
afterwards, Oshima left the Shotokai to start his own Shotokan org.
--
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From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas)
Subject: Re: Realistic Escrima
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:31:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Dec16.173540.801@hls.com>, silatman@hls.com writes:
|> 
|>    All Escrima styles must eventually become double-stick
|> styles. The reason is that single-stick Escrima has an
|> inherent weakness. 

That's only from a certain point of view.  I am not claiming to be an expert at escrima, but many of the takedowns and holds we practice are done with only one stick, and the free hand is used to either guard against an opponent's incoming attack, deliver its own attack, or provide some sort of gripping, pulling, or pushing effort.  Against multiple opponents, however, you may be right.  I know that I feel more comfortable with either one hand open or a knife, since if someone decides to charge in close, I


 don't have both hands tied up.  Weigh that against the advantage of two sticks...Once again, maybe I don't have enough experience with double sticks to even be writing this.  Can you qualify it better, with some examples?

I will add that my teacher doesn't stress double-stick attacks, but he does recommend that we become ambidextrous with our techniques, something that I, being left-handed, have taken upon myself to do.  One of the funnest parts for me has been learning all of my forms with the stick (and dagger, for those forms that use it) in the opposite hand.  It's really improved my awareness and control over the stick as it relates to my movement.

Tony Maas
IBM Rochester,MN

These are MY opinions, definitely not my employer's!!!
From: toman@bovine.uoregon.edu (J. Toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido workshop in Eugene Oregon
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:30:31 GMT
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Summary: Tom Read teaches in Oregon. Story, photos, Page two.
Keywords: aikido workshop value quality Tom_Read swell guy



	University of Oregon Aikido Club Winter Gassuku 1993

	          January 15,16,17

                  Esslinger Room 47
	         University of Oregon

		Guest Instructor - Tom Read Sensei
				   Northcoast School of Aikido

				Fri. 7pm - 9pm
				Sat 9am-11am 1pm-3pm 3:15pm-4:30pm
						     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
					   (weapons. Bring bo & bokken.)

				There's also a potluck Sat. night. (yum!)

				Sun 9am-11am 1pm-3pm 
					     ^^^^^^^
						(kyu & dan tests)

All of this for the low,low price of $45.00 or $12/class !
How can we offer training so low ? VOLUME,VOLUME,VOLUME ! SO COME ON DOWN
TO ... (sorry :)

Anyway, If you've never been to one of Tom's workshops, it's worth the
trip, particularly his weapons class on Saturday.

We have floor space available if you need a place to stay. Bring a sleeping
bag or whatever.

For More Info Contact:

				Rick Kneedler - Club Coordinator
				 503-346-4762 (work)
				     461-7950 (home)
				     kneedler@oregon.uoregon.edu

				Daryl Berlie - Chief Instructor
				  503-689-1617 



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From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: thrust versus slash -- a SEAL's response
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:23:39 GMT

I responded to this on the mailing list, and accidentally sent it to
the wrong place, so I thought I'd just post it here for fun...

> Dave Sheehy <dbs@hprnd.rose.hp.com> writes:
> >someone else writes:
> >> Expert MA knife fighters will _typically_ slash, not thrust.  Thrusting
> >>will often over commit the attacker.  
> >Tell that to a fencer. Also, much military knife technique was (or may even 
> >still be) based on fencing. The people who designed those curicula were 
> >arguably experts.

The attributions are no doubt messed-up, sorry.

I asked my SEAL friend about the thrust vs. slash problem, and also
about getting the knife stuck in the body after a thrust.  His response
was something like: "Most knife attacks are not fatal quickly enough,
so in order to make sure that you kill very quickly it has to be a
thrust to a very vital organ, essentially the heart.  We had a special
knife made for us that looked like a narrow pyramid with a handle.  It
had 3 edges and they were all razor-sharp.  The blade was solid, and had
recessions in each side to break the suction.  To make sure it wouldn't
get stuck, I always twisted it on the way in, and also on the way out.
The way that the blade was designed, it typically would pull out a big
plug of flesh when you pulled it out.  It was made for us by Buck, and
I used it *a lot*.  Great knife."

D

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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Sternum strike vs. Solar plexus
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:29:06 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: lieven@cco.caltech.edu's message of 13 Dec 92 20:17:04 GMT


In article <1gg5o0INN5fb@gap.caltech.edu> lieven@cco.caltech.edu (Lieven Pascal Leroy) writes:

   Yes, strikes directly to the sternum are pointless.  

*sigh*

*count to 10*

People.  Please.  Read before posting.

As I have said over and over again, the point of a sternum strike is 
to help propel yourself away from your attacker, NOT to break your
attacker's sternum or something equally silly.  

You are all -- Dakin, Steve G., and Lieven -- making the same mistake, and
that is to assume that the only point of a strike is the damage that
it will do to your attacker.  Generally speaking, that's the purpose of
a strike, but it's not always the exclusive purpose, or even the primary
purpose.  The sternum strike is an example of a case where the "strike" 
is actually part of an escape.  

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From: dudding@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Dennis Dudding Avionic)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time to achieve rank
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:33:17 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio

In article <4344@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.163217.2910@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>>Time to achieve rank is irrelevent and I know you know it. If this were
>
>	Is there any one else (besides me) who feels that the rank
>someone's earned in the system they study is a good indication of 
>the real progress made?  By which I mean that a certain rank truly reflects
>at least a certain level of understanding? 

	I agree with you!  In shotokan no ranks are given simply because
you did your time.  You must have a certain proficiency that can be CLEARLY
seen.  Then maybe if you have been a good boy/girl you will be ranked one up.

Regards,

_Dennis					"Everywhere you go...there you are"
From: jlockha@eis.calstate.edu (Jame A Lockhart)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Drugs & Fighting (was Finishing techniques)
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:15:57 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
> In article <BzCCGw.JzB@eis.calstate.edu> jlockha@eis.calstate.edu (Jame A Lockhart) writes:
> >From what I understand, the Samoans used to put some sort of narcotic on
> >their armor so that pain would be more difficult to register.  Apparently,
> >this is why the .45 was invented.  US troops were VERY disconcerted when
> >they kept coming after a few rounds in the chest.
> 
> Back up a few steps. What you are thinking of is the fun times the U.S. 
> military had during the Filipino-American war. The Moros (Muslims of the
> Southern Phillipines) had a limited sense of humor about being colonized
> and about having their home turned into a free-fire zone. Oftne a Muslim
> warrior would decide it was time to rid the area of a few pale-skinned
> bandits. He'd have his  hair shaved off, have his limbs bound up so that 
> he wouldn't lose blood pressure too quickly if wounded, pray for a long time,
> take his Barong and go into battle. These Juramentados would kill the invaders
> until they themselves were dead. They were so hopped up with religious fervor
> and bad attitude that they were very hard to stop. There are many documented
> reports of Juramentados taking a dozen or more bullets to the head and
> torso and not finish dying until they had killed the soldiers who had shot 
> them. 
> 
> Eventually the ineffectiveness of the standard sidearm became apparent, and
> the military issued a weapon which would knock a fellow down and back so
> that he would die before killing the guy who had shot him.
> -- 
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> "What has the study of biology taught you about the Creator Dr. Haldane?"
> JBS Haldane:"I'm not sure, but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."


oops.......

Guess I should never post with such little sleep.  I stand
corrected....several times.  My apologies.
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