From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: ecsd: The Social Terrorist Strikes Again.- Grohol, Wiegand, Steiner ...
Organization: The Very Great Beast 666 - wet, delicious & sublime
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:28:46 GMT

John Grohol writes:
; I find that a KILL file works very well in ignoring Scott Tai.

; And, I believe that a warning should be inserted into the FAQ and
; short instructions on how to KILL any post by Scott Tai easily.

; I almost wish this group was moderated... Maybe it's time for a new
; CFD!   ;-)

; -John

; -- 
;   "Evil will not destroy            \_\_    John M. Grohol, M.S.
;    When love is in your hand         \_\_   Center for Psychological Studies
;    Now can we make believe            \_\_  Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
;    The mysteries we understand." -SBH  \_\_ grohol@novavax.nova.edu

Well, Love. Center for Psychological Studies.
Quick point to make to you is: has "Scott Tai" been changing?
I say he has, and I think he deserves slack.
Interesting experiment, don't you think, to offer a person Acceptance
In Advance - even conditional acceptance, as long as you bide by your
offer and grant acceptance when your conditions are met?

Sorry - asshole Closet True Christian that I am - my engagement with him
has changed him, I do believe, and for his functional betterment.

Just because he's still being mysterious - everyone deserves to unfold
in the way they can. Tai, like it or not, is a gadfly and making (now)
contributions here - as opposed to "mere-flame-festers". I claim credit
for giving him someone to talk to and bringing out of a stance of mere
opposition - you think about it - maybe all any of us needs is to find
some, however miniscule, receptivity in others.

Moderate, Schmoderate - *I* wouldn't be here if that happened.
{ Fuck you who'd be happy for that, too - :) }

B.F.Skinner & Dale Carnegie - meet them where they meet you.
Tell him what you want and treat him like a real person - and SURPRISE!!
He may start behaving like one. And he has begun to.

SLACK I SAY
SLACK RULES.

-ecsd

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Remember
What the Doormouse said
Feed your head
Feed your head

*** (jefferson airplane)

Robert Wiegand writes:
; 
; You have ranted and raved.
; 
; While I personally have no use for religion I don't think the abuse
; you are spouting is reasonable.
; 
; From my point of view your belief in Astrology makes just as little
; sense. Its very difficult for most people to reject ideas that have
; been preached to them as true since they were children.
; 
; A little more compassion would be in order.

I don't canonize astrology and found Empires based on it.
I won't burn you at the stake for believing in it or not believing in it.
If the other side does not show compassion to me for my way of being -
I will gladly show them what their values are, if expressed by someone
opposed to their beliefs, using THEIR tools.

You're right. I'm nasty. So are they. I know this; they don't. EDUCATION.
See the earlier long-winded anti-Catholic post.

Astrology? Right-brain loves it, Left-brain is at least indifferent.
Right brain is my happiness and wins. SHE RULES.

YES!

Even children will grow into adults who can recognize which of their beliefs
are theirs and which are given them by others. OPPOSE ME BY INVOKING GOD
in your behalf and there WILL BE BLOOD LET. Is all I have to say there.

Compassion - yes.
Sightlessness in "forgiveness" - No. If they shall judge me by their beliefs -
then they shall stand adjudged by me by my beliefs AS WELL. If they don't like
the results - well, I never have - so let them take their own medicine and see
why it's not palatable. Self-Righteous Assholes that Some of them are.
*I* admit myself - they do not. I CLAIM NO JUSTIFICATION FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD,
neither should they. We are all imperfect humans. WAY COOL - but enforce a
view UPON me? No Fucking Way.

FREEDOM
LIBERTY
JUSTICE

LIBERTY
EQUALITY
FRATERNITY/SORORITY

God is Good, so are You, so am I. NON-ZERO SUM FOREVER.
Sorry - being polemical.

-ecsd

*** The clarion call to all those of *my* lost generation:

When the Truth is Found
To be--ee--ee li-ies
And all the joy-y-y within you--uu--uu
Di-ies

Don't youchu want somebody to lo-ove?
Don't youchu need somebody to lo-ove?
Wouldn't youchu love somebody to lo-ove?
You better find somebody to lo-o-ove - love.

*** (jefferson airplane. and God Bless Grace Slick for ever having existed)

Mike Steiner writes:
; You certainly do not understand me.  My motive is that I do not care for
; liars and hypcrites--you have proven yourself to be both.  If didn't post
; your lies and your hypocricy, I wouldn't have come down on you.  The only
; misery you are getting on this newsgroup is of your own making; you have
; brought it down upon yourself.  It is you, not I, who have a bad nature and
; bad motives.  You have amply demostrated this fact with almost every
; message you have posted here.  If you think that your sactimony is fooling
; anyone, you are deluding yourself.

Mike - things change, people change, and you have the capacity to forgive.
I had bashed Tai before, but now it's Franklin (unless he comes around),
and soon I will announce the Open Flame Contest in which we start to
unleash our creative potential in FUN and for PROFIT to all engaged.

The only people I despise truly, are those who cannot See Themselves in what
they do - and anyone who CAN so see themself - I can enjoy, even if they are
"unacceptable" as we tend to think. I would tell William F. Buckley that I
think his attitudes are often hideous - but that I think he "does himself
well" - and I wouldn't mind taking tea with him - AS LONG AS HE CAN STEP
OUT OF CHARACTER. This has been my challenge to Tai - GET REAL - and he's
working toward this.

Think about it - you don't have to be un-angry at Tai, nor do you have to
promise not to bash him if he behaves like a jerk - but curl your lip in a
smile - feel your strength - you are complete, and he cannot hurt you -
so see how much flexibility you have in dealing with him.

I will bash the little sucker if he drops back into "old Tai" and my
attitude to him is to say, Dude - them what is aware here, rules - and
he seems to get my drift - so I am watching Magic In Practice, and I'm
pretty happy with the results.

So far as *I* am concerned, life is one huge encounter group - and I will
be doing more of that work here. Open call for us to love one another and
have fun with each other in being "quirky jerks". Sorry - Closet Christian
Values - I guess to offset these I will get nasty and wretched from time to
time, to preserve a balance between the Masculine and Feminine archetypes,
as is needed (as per Yin-Yang symbol) - but always and ever in the spirit of

":)"

-ecsd

*sigh* when we're just all nice folks - who should I flame anymore?
Y'ALL, I guess, just to stay in practice.
:)

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Your loyal social dolphin
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Don't youchu want somebody to lo-ove?
Don't youchu need somebody to lo-ove?
Wouldn't youchu love somebody to lo-ove?
You better find somebody to lo-o-ove - love.