From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Re: who's right & who's wrong arguments [was Re: racial harmony- Yasmin]
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:41:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.035229.32950@ssf-corp.dhl.com> looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi) writes:


>I don't intend to flame you, but I do want to say this ...

Fair enough....let's see how far you can go.


>i've already made my points very clear in regards to where I stand 
>with islam fanatics and malay supremacists. you seemed to equiv
>the malays i was having discussions with to MALAY race. if you
>insisted on putting the words on my mouth, there is little i can do 
>other than assuming you have comprehension problem -- a known fact.

I don't think you made your points clear.  And, I don't think you are
telling the whole truth about your previous flaming session or
discussions (?) with me and many other Malays about Islam (three years ago).  
I know most of them already graduated.  That doesn't mean that you can 
mouth off false info about you in this newsgroup.  There were a whole
lot of reasonable Chinese who were willing to discuss about Islam at
that time (Kah Chan Low, Kok Siew Gan and so forth) except you (one of the
stupidest intolerant Chinese I have ever met). And, not to forget
Martillo (you mentor).  You talked about Islam intolerance numerous 
times before, but you yourself are intolerance to Islam as shown in 
this newsgroup now and then.  


>nobody would stop you if you propose islamic way of life to your
>beloved bros and sisters. but it irks me and many others when
>you and your beloved bros and sisters try to compare how islam
>is more superior than others or impose your beliefs on us, non-
>muslims. we're happy with what we are, and we don't need your
>religion's code of life to tell us how we should lead our lives.

Yes, Islam is superior than others (for me) because it is my religion.
Of course, I will always feel Islam is the most righteous religion.
If I think Islam can offer something good to Malaysia, I will try to
propose it, or at least introduce it.  But, what did I and many other
muslims get when we mentioned the word "Islam" in the newsgroup? You
people asked us to get lost or go to other newsgroup.  Where is the
discussion?  How did u conclude Islam is not feasible for Malaysia
(we haven`t discussed about it yet)?  Now, tell me who is intolerance?  
Ignorance? Stoopid?

No, I did not impose Islam on you or anybody.  What I was hoping is to
see some kind of discussion about Islam as an alternative to Malaysia's
racial problems (in full scale).  Of course, in any kind of
discussion, some people tend to get carried away.  It is natural.
Nobody ever asked or said "Yo...you Chinese, Indians and all non-muslims, 
convert to Islam now or we will cut you to pieces".  


>look at some of your bros and sisters, when they talk about
>islam they talk as if there is no other religion exists in the
>world except islam, there is no other superior system except
>islamic system, there is no morality in the world except
>islamic morality, the list goes on.

Understandable cos' they are muslims.  In the states, the Whites think
Christianity is the best.  I have been accosted by many Christian
preachers over here at Penn State.  Nice people; but, not convincing
enough.  Yes, they also proposed Christian morality on me.  And, I didn't
think they are FANATICS.  I knew that deep inside them they feel that
their religion is better than mine (or, superior).  I didn't give the
two hoots about it cos' for me my religion is superior than theirs.
So, they evangelize me, I eveangelize them.  Fair right? 


>3 years ago, I called this person, zam PIG cos' he uttered 
>outrageous racial slurs and remarks at my people. but, i now 
>realize that it's ethically wrong to equiv anyone with animail 

Liar!!!!  You said it but did not practise it. 

So, what is it then? A HYPOCRITE?  You have no right whatsoever to get
angry to ZAM cos' you are the same.  Your attitude towards the Malays
are the same as ZAM's towards the Chinese.    And, of course, my
attitude towards you is the same as ZAM's towards you.  I expect the
same from you towards me.  If u don't, I don't care anyway.

>even tho' how outrageous the person is. i have grown up to
>be a better person, but have you? does it make you a better 

I have changed my attitude toward the Chinese in Malaysia but certainly not
your kind.  My last posting after a week flaming session with the
Australians expressed my intention.  That posting was not dedicated to
you and your kind.  That's why I am still flaming people like you
untill now.  And, I don't have any special privileges given to any race 
when it comes to flaming.  I flamed the Chinese, Indians and the Malays as
well (as if flaming is my way of life :-)).

>or a saintlier person by calling me PIG? YOU yang kurang ajar 
>and biadab! [I capitalized YOU to distinguish YOU and MALAY 
>in case you jump in a few months later and accuse me of calling 
>MALAYS kurang ajar and biadab]

Yeah...I am KURANG AJAR and BIADAB.  What is the point to be nice and
friendly to a person who will never change.  Talking nicely will make
you "naik kepala".  So, being kurang ajar will at least make you slow
down a little.  So far so good......

Come on, how many times did you write emotional postings in this 
newsgroup (similar to this one)?  Many times as far as I can
remember.  Did you really do what you said?  
You have to earn whatever you say.  You can't just say you have grown
up and became a better person, and everything will take care of
itself.  Prove that you have changed, then tell the world.  Please
don't tell the world first and then change.  It is BULLSHIT!!!!


>>I rather be a FANATIC than a a HYPOCRITE.  At least I believed in
>>something and worked for it, rather than a two-faced dork.
>>
>
>it amazes me that you finally admitted that you're a FANATIC... 8-)
>need i say more?

Then by default you admitted that you are a HYPOCRITE, need I say
more?.  BTW, I am not surprise at all.   I have been telling you that
many times before, but you didn't notice it.


>nobody, including the audience knows. only you, me and your allah know. 
>good enuf? i always believe that the person who distorted the fact gets
>the punishment, one way or the other.

Yes Allah knows best.  And, may Allah burns you in HELL!!!!


>yes, i took a long long walk and pondered over your writing during my 
>lunch break and concluded that it is senseless to discuss with you cos'

If you can come up with a list of goodies about me, so do I.....


>1) you are a malay supremacist and an islam fanatic;

So, you are a CHINESE CHAUVINISTIC PIG.


>2) you have ECDS (english comprehension deficiency syndrome),
>   pronounced as "AIDS" with your tongue in your middle of
>   your mouth. 8-) ;

So, you are a NATO member (NO ACTION TALK ONLY).  


>3) you are a person of no integrity;

So, you are a person with two faces with nothing straight in you
except your hair.


>4) you are a person who doesn't live up to his words.

So, you are a person who distorts facts in order to save your ass.
Shame really....


>5) you are rude and unruly; and

You are a HYPOCRITE (talam dua muka)


>6) you are so indulged in speaking colloquial english such as buddy boys,
>   dude, dork, bullsh*t, etc.

Yes sir.  You deserved all of them. 


>just remember tis, your distorted accusations and facts, and your 
>use of distasteful words are gonna come back and haunt you for a
>long long time ...  

That's why your statement of "Melayu boleh golong tikar...." still haunts 
you till now.  Advise yourself first.  If you have changed fully, then
advise me.  I will listen to you if you do change.


>in the meantime, lemme check my archive ... and hope i can
>find something "interesting".

OK.  Take out everything.  So, I can be an ASSHOLE in this newsgroup.
I thought I am already an ASSHOLE.  Well, if somebody wants to 
enhance my ASSHOLE-ness, what the heck....go ahead.


>just out of curiousity, where is your nationalistic 
>motto, i.e. "tidak akan hilang melayu ..." you so fervently posted? 
>why posted it the first time and stopped posting it the next time? 
>just curious cos' i'm a curious creature...

You got it buddy boy....


              "TIDAK AKAN HILANG MELAYU DI DUNIA"


>btw, you haven't answered me why u decided to come back to usa since
>you despise the system here so much? 

Well, a good question deserves a good answer.....

This country offers an excellent educational opportunity (purely,
academic).  Unfortunately, morality (pornographic, extra-marital
affairs etc.) is in the record low.  That's what despised me.  

Not only that.  Penn State offered me assistantship to do M.S. in
Petroelum and Natural Gas Engineering.  They needed me. So, as a nice
guy I accepted it for academic reasons and, of course, Penn State
Football.  Now, they still wants me to do PhD.  Sometimes, it is tough
to be SMART and HANDSOME at the same time, you know :-) :-) :-).


>are you a H_P_C_I_ (fill in the 
>blanks, please) or something? oops, is there an "e" at the end of
>the word, mr qualye?

Are you and Mr. Quayle related by any chance?  


>-looi (yet another curious creature)


-Azlan "smart and handsome guy" Nordin-
           Penn State