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From: sarkar@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Nilanjan Sarkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Changing role of women - a woman's perspective
Keywords: Women, Liberation, India, Family, Pre-marital, Extra-marital.
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:28:45 GMT
Organization: General Robotics and Active Sensory Perception(GRASP) Lab,
              University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul23.234516.19820@sophia.smith.edu> smitra@sophia.smith.edu (Sramana Mitra) writes:

I missed the original post. I generally agree with what you said except
the following one :


>> Even though I don't feel threatened by the "new" Indian woman in 
>> any way, I feel particularly discomfited by all this pre-marital
>> and extra-marital stuff. I feel that this surely is one of the 
>> undesirable areas where our women are trying to mimic the West. 
>
>I don't like the generalization you make. What makes you think that women
>who have pre-marital/extra-marital relationships are doing it to mimic
>anybody, whoever that is? How do you know, that they are not married to 
                           ---------------------------------------------
>sterio-typical men, with primitive convictions, who stifle their existence,
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>suffocate their creativity, and make them feel DEAD?
 ---------------------------------------------------

I agree that life becomes a painful existence in such cases. But, at the
same time extra marital relationship is no solution. If you feel your
husband stifles your existence, suffocates your creativity, and makes 
you feel DEAD, then get rid of him, divorce him. What is the point in
having him as a husband and at the same time getting involved in an
extra marital relationship ? Does not extra marital relationship display
a tendency of 'having the cake and eating it too' type ? I completely
support anyone's right to break away from wedlock if (s)he feels it
is not working for whatever reasons, but as long as you agree to stay as
married partners, extra marital relationship seems to me a breach of
contract.


-Nilanjan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sodhi@news.miami.edu (Rajpal Sodhi)
Subject: Re: Justice Bains -- Release of....
Organization: University of Miami, RSMAS
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:17:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.131739.14197@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> swami1@troy.UUCP () writes:
>
>Considering that more than 90% of the Sikhs in India (or their
                            ~~~
>parents) came as refugees from Pakistan, they sure did not come to
>India voluntarily!
>

that, i believe, is an exaggeration.

rajpal
From: sngattan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Sanjay N Gattani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Laser Pens?
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:15:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hi:

	I am looking for information regarding laser pens for presentation 
purposes.  Can someone tell me where I should look for this item?
My email address is 

			sngattan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
		
sanjay
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:57:03 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
	<1992Jul23.004756.175785@ua1ix.ua.edu>

Nath writes:
**********
own fees, since you seem to be able to afford it, unlike us. Also your
confining it to only INDIAN grads is extremely offensive. It took a Canadian
to point that out. And why have you crossposted it to SCC anyway?  
*************



I did not mean to confine it to Indian grads. I mentioned the word
"foreign" several times. Also, crossposting it to SCC was not my fault.
All I did was reply to the message. The original message must have been
crossposted to SCC. So when I reply to that message, the message
automatically gets crossposted. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Degrading social and political life.
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:29:31 GMT

>going to do the same NOW if they are back in power?  What guarantee do you 
>that a Cong(I) activist (well, you can't call them cadres, can you?) 
>won't rape my neighbor's sister?  What gurantee do you have that these
>hooligans won't change color and work for Cong(I)?  I have seen a million
>times party workers changing over to the party rising to power.
>
None at all; that's exactly what's going to happen. Whatever system you employ
the Indian basketball team is not going to beat the Dream team. If you have
to change anything you have to change the people. I am surprised to see that
so called "rational" thinkers think that CONG(I) is going to come with a 
magic lamp and change all the people. I cannot gurantee I will change all the
society, but at least I will change a few people. Heads I win Tails you lose.
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: me@comstore.uark.edu (My Account)
Subject: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:47:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: comstore.uark.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

After reading all the arguments regarding Calcutta's degrading  
social and political condition, it seems to me that we all agree  
that CPM has become an autocratic party in absence of any viable  
alternative. What we all disagree about is the way to solve these  
tremendous problems. 

Deb Chatterjee  is the radical, who thinks that the end justifies  
the means. I thought THAT was the basic problem of the communist  
revolution all over the world. In the name of the 'end', they  
preached senseless violence, preached distrust, suspicion,  
restricted freedom  of speech and movement. The strength of any  
philosophy lies in its test, its opposition, its criticism.  
Communism did not allow any opposition or criticism and hence failed  
to evolve with the changing world. That led to the demise of  
communism. Dictatorship also suffers from these same problems and  
therefore leads to its demise in most cases. In any country,wherever  
democracy has survived it has  survived through all types of  
opposition. My whole point is end does not justify the means. HOW  
the changes take place is as important as WHAT the changes are. 

Hence, merely trying to label people as 'naive and/or ignorant' is  
not only offensive but also worthless. If anyone is truly interested  
in having a debate on the serious issues of our country, lets  
conduct it in a matured manner and not just fight like kids.  
Displacing CPM in any manner whatsoever is NOT going to solve the  
problems completely. It may be only a supeficial treatment. The  
solution has to come through due process. We have to restore  
democracy at any cost. --- Aditi Sen. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor)
Subject: seen in a indian tabloid (published from NYC) ...
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:47:02 GMT


while i was going thru the matrimonial section of the tabloid, which BTW, 
i do for the sheer humor content of some of the ads, i came across this :

"Inquiries invited from professionals for <community> greed card holder,
 26years, 5'4", educated, nice ..."                   ^^^^^

freudian slip ? ;-)

kuntal
From: vikc@digital.sps.mot.com (Vikrant Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:49:58 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <92209.133627ICKUL@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICKUL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Please do not make any rash generalizations!  I am female, but I would
>have to disagree with your generalizations.  We are all individuals,
>and should be judged individually.Quite a number of Eastern men
>are scums, but on the other hand, I know many others who are the
>reverse.  It is a good policy to be cautious with new acquaintances,
^^^^^^^^^
>but if you only look for negative qualities in people, you will
>generally confirm your ideas.

         
Uhmmmm !!!

So you still can't call them good/wonderful/pleasant/charming/ ...

whatever ....
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: VHP's Defiance -- view point by Soli J. Sorabjee
Date: 24 Jul 1992 15:22:06 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

>When Governor Wallace of Arkansas refused to obey the US Supreme
>Court judgement about desegregation of schools the President of
>USA did not hesitate to send in federal troops to maintain the
>authority of the apex court.

He (Soli Sorabjee) mixed up two different Governors and States. The people in 
question were Orval Faubus of Arkansas (in the Eisenhower era) and George Wallace
of Alabama (this was later, in the Kennedy administration, I think).

Just nit-picking...

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com (savithri)
Subject: MEN of EASTERN origin
Originator: a726226@daffy
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:09:51 GMT



I just happened to scan this group out of idle curiosity.  From what I have seen,
I am now more than certain that MEN from the EASTERN part of the world have something
seriously lacking in their brain cells. (More than 98% - a figure I concluded from the
number of scum bags I have met).  What is most surprising is even though they SEEM to
be developed physically as humans, the majority of them are on the lowest rung on the
mental level,  with their ego, narrow-mindedness, duplicity, male superiority complex
(this is the subtlest of all among the so called educated) developed beyond and above
the norm of other races.

I am fully aware that I am going to be the target of several creatures from the creepy
crawling species.  I will not retaliate or respond to scum bags.  The main purpose of
this posting is targeted to women.  I think the best way to get at them is to IGNORE
them.  INDIFFERENCE is the best way of dealing with irrational childish behavior.
We can only hope that some day they will realise that all the misery and misfortune
in the eastern parts of the world can be attributed to the unspeakable actions that
the MEN subject their women to (this includes several of my relatives and neighbours
that I have observed back in INDIA).  As it now stands INDIA and other similar cultures
are doomed .  They MAY scientifically progress but that does not speak much for the
humanitarian nature of a country.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:39:02 GMT

>else, you are talking of something that is 'almost'impossible. Just the  
Well isn't that the favourite sport of humanity?

>battle cry that "Bengal needs us" is not enough for people to go back and  
>dedicate their time.

That's right; the only thing that can motivate you is you need Bengal

> Because even if you could motivate people based on  
>patriotic feelings, it will be short lived.
Correct again:patriotic feelings are out of date; i.e. not to say that we
should not be patriots but true patriotism now can be realized only in a
global context.

> In order to make real changes,  
>we have to convince people that their professional lives will be more  
>challenging, and their education and experience will be better utilized if  
>they go and serve in Calcutta.

Well, I don't see any of them happening but I do see my spiritual and social
life being better if I go and serve in Calcutta, rather in the tribal belts
as that's where we must start.

> Accept it or not, most of us who are living  
>in the US, are considered outsiders by other fellow bengalis. Our services  

Yes, you are as long as you want to remain an outsider. Saying
everything that you are doing is "stupid" and "worthless" is not
a good way to become an insider

>is considered unwanted in most part. It seems most people, both  
>professionals and otherwise think of us as people trying to show off our  
>
As long as you are just trying to do that; why won't they think so.

>abroad experience. I think our capacities are limited. 
Well I think, not.

>In any case, keep us posted as to what your plans are, apart from forming  
>a think-tank. I would surely like to contribute whatever I can towards a  
>better society back home. -- Aditi Sen. 
>>    
Forget it, that's not going to work. Each movement has to start from the very
bottom; one at a person.
"Jethaey thake sabar adhom diner hote din;
seikhanete charon tomar raje
sabar pichhe sabar niche sabharaader maajhhe."
Good Luck, thanks for your concern anyway.
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Net contact in New Delhi needed--URGENT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:47:21 GMT


The WELL is a computer conferencing system in Sausalito, California.  One
of our Bay Area members is very ill in a New Delhi hospital.  A family
member arrived in New Delhi a couple of days ago, but we, her social
network, would like to send along our greetings to let her know we're
thinking of her and to help cheer her up until she's well enough to travel
home.

We need a net contact in New Delhi who would be willing to deliver our
greetings to her (or would be willing to have the greetings messengered
to her) --we'd like to collect them over the weekend then send them as
(one) email to our New Delhi contact.  We considered Federal Express,
but that takes 5 days, minimum, and we're not sure how long she will be
in the hospital.

If you can help, we'd be most grateful.  Please respond to:

casey@well.sf.ca.us

Thanks!
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
From: georgiou@REX.CS.TULANE.EDU (George M. Georgiou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Hindi Magazine Announcement
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:21:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: rex.9207222121.AA12310

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:04:18 GMT

> Why the law and order will rapidly degrade, and, why we cannot live like
> Calcuttans of the 1950's - at least !!!! Why `magaj-dholai' by CPI(M) will be
Deb, wake up. As you know I have no love for the communists. But get out of
your past is glorious paranoia; the past always looks glorious because you
don't have to go there and live. The progress of humanity is a straight line.
Calcutta of the 50s: where people die of hunger in the streets. Poets like
Sukanta and writers like Manik Bannerjee die for lack of medical care. What
do you think brought the Communists in the first place?
Arindam
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:24:40 EDT
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Changing role of women - a woman's perspective

In article <1992Jul23.234516.19820@sophia.smith.edu>, smitra@sophia.smith.edu
(Sramana Mitra) says:
>
>Influence is not necessary, but support is. Another thing that is beneficial,
>is having role models. That way, India can provide a role model to the United
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>States, in that, a woman has occupied the highest office in our constitution,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>while in the US, a woman president is still a far-fetched dream.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In this regard Mrs. Gandhi can not be a role model to anyone in USA.
She occupied the highest office in India only because she was Nehru's
daughter and people needed a compromise candidate. I think Margret
Thatcher of England can be a best role model in this aspect. She
was a grocer's daughter and yet became the prime minister of England
for more than a decade.

regards..            Deepak

>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:19:47 GMT

In article <25JUL199216152185@vax2.concordia.ca>, debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.010418.24973@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes...
>>........ (stuff deleted) ......The progress of humanity is a straight line.
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> GEE !!!! I thought that it was a geodesic !!!!!!
>
>>Calcutta of the 50s: where people die of hunger in the streets.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> As if CPI(M) has eradicated beggars now ! Yeah ! They have introduced raping
> of Calcutta women on their new interpretation of Marx. This was not in the
> city in 1950's. As far why CPI(M) came, read my posting no 2.
>
>>Arindam
>
> - deb chatterjee
>(a good samaritan)
I did not say CPIM eradicated beggars; but social conditions have improved
so that much worse writers (no disrespect intended) like Sunil Ganguly or
Samaresh Majumdar (They are certainly great as measured against the
contemporaries) can have frequent trips to USA! There was no rape in the 50s
but a woman walking in the street without a male protector was considered as
a prostitute (Ref: Satkahan:Samaresh Majumdar).
Arindam
From: aksimha@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Arun Simha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:52:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:

>In article <26JUL199217032359@rosie.uh.edu> eleea48@rosie.uh.edu (Thomas, Thomas) writes:

>Question is, how often do our athletes practice or play on these
>surfaces?  What matters is not the fact that India has 7 (gasp!)
>astroturf surfaces, but how often the players get to practice on them
>(and also on other things like diet, rewards and motivation).

>India *is* poor and underdeveloped, so let's not dispute that. You may
>have grown up in a city with modern TVs and appliances, and may be
>ashamed of being associated with poverty, but most Indian athletes
>have grown up bone-poor and illiterate, and are routinely treated like
>peons by the Indian sports federations.


>We get what we deserve. As long as Indians equate sports with coolie
>labor, we will get coolie-like performances from athletes.

    Well, the issue in question was the statement by Bob Costas. Was it
    appropriate? Costas has shown his abrasive nature even during the NBA,
    and this was by no means his first major faux pas. There was absolutely
    no need to mention the economic/political/social state of each nation,
    when athletic abilities/strength's/famous olympians should've been
    mentioned. You don't see a BBC Test Match Special chap say, "Solkar
    was the son of a cobbler"!  It is just not the right forum. I agree
    that the state of the Indian Olympic Committee leaves much to be desired,
    and that it is more of a bane to athletes. If Bob Costas had to mention
    the poverty of India he could've added "..inspite of the appalling 
    conditions that they are in they still manage to produce excellent
    competitors.." or what have you. Incidentally, his abrasive nature
    was seen elsewhere when he announced that, "Kim Zameskal's fall was
    shocking, a catastrophe, a disaster.." and Anita Nall's bronze, "
    was shocking, a major upset, she'll remember it all her life."  
    Now, if they see the videotapes of this "expert opinion", they
    would probably feel ashamed, even depressed. For Heaven's sake give
    them a break, for, they are only 14 and 16. At 16, not many girls (guys)
    are No 3 among 2 billion odd people in the world. I bet that the only
    achievement Bob Costas had at the age of 16 was the possesion of a driver's
    license! 



Arun Simha




>'Nuff said,
>--
>Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
>Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
From: raghu@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: want to visit London, UK.  need your suggestions.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:19:18 GMT
Organization: NIST

hello:
I want to spend a week sightseeing in London and nearabouts 
on my way to India this September.  
I will be going with my wife and our 23 month old.  

your suggestions on what all sights are worth seeing, 
would one week be too little time or too much time, 
how expensive/easy is it to visit Paris/France,
any other nearby places,
where to stay inexpensively in London,
what places are to be avoided (the bad neighborhoods),
what are the visa requirements 
(My wife and I are citizens of India and permanent residents of usa, and our 
daughter is a citizen of usa),

and anything along those lines from your experiences that would be 
helpful to know.  
"Depends" is a very popular answer often, but hardly a useful one.  

Like most tourists our objectives are to see the most for the least amount 
of money and enjoy all of the trip without any mishaps.  

After this trip we would basically to say we have seen enough of London 
and next time let us go to Moscow, maybe.  

Anyone who is reading this mail sitting in London, would you consider 
paying guests, know anyone who would, know how I may find out?

thanks and you bet I will summarize if anyone of want me too.  

raghu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Subject: Re: MEN OF EASTERN ORIGIN
Summary: soc.culture.indian
Keywords: men,men,men,men,men......
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:45:09 GMT

Your experiences with men of Eastern origin may be true. 
In New Zealand every 1 in 5 womyn and child is physically abused.
These physical abuses may not be in the nature of 'tied to a camel
and dragged across a desert' but there are many cases where
hospitalisation is required. When affluent (I suppose U would call
them advanced) societies face such social problems how would U
expect the average impoverished and uneducated person with many
more frustrations to behave? The solution might be through
scientific progress and bringing the common person out of poverty
to affluence - to reduce the 98% (that U earlier mentioned) to 20%.

We certainly do have this problem, but do U think that U are
helping out with this 'ball breaking' attitude of yours. 

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian