HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ON COMPANY!!!!!(important)
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:21:23 GMT

In article 17842@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, rhrs_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rob Harris) writes:
>Hey there--
>	I was wondering if anyone out there has had any interaction with
>a company called Pro Sports Cut, out of Boston, MASS.  I ordered a jersey
>from them back in February and have had several problems...omitting all of

I ordered two jerseys from them almost a year ago.  They claim that CCM
is holding them up.  They told me back in March that CCM had fired
their production manager, and that should help, but it didn't.  Now
they're saying that CCM is giving priority to Canadian orders over
American orders.

Every time I call, they give me the choice of continuing to wait, or
taking a refund.  Neither option gets my jerseys.

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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Marcus Thuresson (was Re: SHARKS NEWS: Mullen traded... )
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:26:13 GMT

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <hkn-sharksU2aO415pe@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:
>>
>>	Thuresson was an 11th-round pick of the Islanders in the 1991 draft.
>>Thuresson had two goals and four assists in 21 games with Leksand of
>>Sweden last season.
>
>There you have it.
>
>Somehow 2 goals and 4 assists in 21 games, in any league, doesn't impress me
>much.  Staffan, can you tell us some more about Thuresson?  Was he injured?
>
No, I don't believe he was injured. Marcus' team, Leksand, only played 22 
games in the Swedish elite league, after that they were relegated to 
Allsvenskan where they also played ~22 games. I don't have his
stats for Allsvenskan.

But you're quite correct, 6 points in 21 games is not impressing and the
stuff I've seen from him has not impressed me particularly either so far.
Marcus Thuresson (born 05/31/71) had totally scored 11 G, 10 A, 21 Pts 
in 50 GP in the Swedish elite league before the last (91-92) season.

He had also played 41 games for the Swedish junior national team, coming
into the 91-92 season, so that would indicate that he's a prospect for
the future though.

>===============================================================================
>GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
>GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
>	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
>rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks

Staffan Axelsson
etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se
contact for Swedish hockey
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From: eoq@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Edward Quillen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rodman
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:56:09 GMT
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.

In article <1992Aug31.190043.19466@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
>Subject: Rodman
>Date: 31 Aug 92 19:00:43 GMT
>In article <1992Aug31.185424.19309@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>>
>>I am a big Dennis Rodman fan, but most of the people I know do not like him. 
>>I must therefore conduct my own Dennis Rodman poll. I would like as many
>>replies as possible
>>
>>Dennis Rodman is
>>a) An all star; the best rebounder in the NBA
>>b) A good defensif player with run of the mill offensive skills
>>c) A goofy looking guy with big ears, who also wears the tightest pair of
>>   shorts in the NBA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Signe: Mr. Iacurtop 

Rodman is A+B but most definately C!!!!!

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From: jono@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Jon Oransky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 3 New rules was 2 New Rules ???
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:26:25 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <farenebt.714835405@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick Mckinney) writes:
>
>>I may be asking this question prematurely, but has anyone heard the
>>rumor that two new rules were being introduced into the NHL...
>
>>1.  Anyone instigating a fight now receives an immediate game misconduct...
>
>>2.  Helmets are now optional (No longer mandatory)...
>
>>I have no reference to show this as being factual, just that a co-worker
>>came into my office to break the bad news...  Anyone with info please
>>email....
>
>ESPN reported that these were true. They also reported that 4-on-4 play
>is now restored. Coincidental minors will no longer result in 5-on-5 
>play.
>
>My thoughts, I like the instigating and the 4-on-4 rules but severely
>doubt that refs will call many instigating penalties as a result.
>
>I disagree with the helmet rule but I doubt that too many players will


ok, the following is taken directly from the Wednesday Newsday (a paper in LI)

                              Behavior Modification
                        Rules changes approved by the NHL at its Board of
                        Governors metting yesterday.


1.  Players who are judged to be instigators in fights will recieve game  
misconducts.

2.  Penalties will be called on any player grabbing an opponent's stick.

3.  Players who dive trying to draw penalties will be given penalties.

4.  High sticking, previously defined as a hit above the shoulders, will be called   

5.  Helmuts will be optional, not mandatory.

6.  Coincidental minor penalties will cost each team a player.


	well, thats all that the paper said, there was a whole article that    
went w/ the above, but that mostly talked about the new fighting rule.

	In my opinion, i think giving penalties for instigating a fight is   
stupid, it will also decrease the amount of people at hockey games, if in fact
because of the new rule there are less fights.  i know a lot of people who just
like hockey cause of the fighting.  Not me, i like it cause of the action, hard
hitting, and aggresiveness.  

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From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN-it's about time
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:06:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep3.160617.3911
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <kedWox_00iUyM3_5YG@andrew.cmu.edu> Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>The NHL is finally going in the right direction with the new NHL contract.
>It will increase U.S. exposure three fold (from 20 million to 60 million
			POTENTIAL EXPOSURE!!
>cable subscribers.)  I am glad that they will have exclusive national
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what does that mean...is SC/PRISM/MSG out of it? Does this decrease the
total number of games. All those retired newyourkers down in miami beach and
in phoenix will never watch hockey!!!
>coverage of the playoffs.  This should only increase the popularity of
>the NHL which will obviously strengthen the league.  Hopefully, ABC will
>also become part of the package, which would allow of the U.S. to watch
>America's most exciting sport.
>
>"A National television contract is not a priority of the National Hockey
>League"
>    - The incompetent John Ziegler, who has stated this in different forms on
>      different occasions.


-- 
->Louis Hoebel
  Computer Science Department 	hoebel@cs.rochester.edu
  University of Rochester       {ames|rutgers}!rochester!hoebel
  Rochester NY 14627            716 275 5414
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:52:59 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug27.081503.20714@nntp.hut.fi>, f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
> BTW, does anybody know how many severe head injuries there used to be
> before helmets became compulsory?

I think the key here is how many that were due to fighting, slashing, high 
sticking etc.  I can think of three severe head injuries dating back to the
time I began watching hockey - needless to say all 3 are Bruin related.
The first of course was Ted Green's injury at the hands of Wayne "my number
is retired" Maki. In a preseason game, Green and Maki got into a shoving
match, Green swung his stick and caught Maki on the shoulder, Maki
responded by swinging his stick like an axe and crushing Green's skull.
Gary Doak had his face crushed in a game against - I think Minnesota but
I could be wrong - when ...... oops forgot who it was..... Dennis Hextall
maybe?  ran him into the boards on a pretty severe boarding. After his
return it took Doak a while to play near the quality he was showing the
season he was hurt (he began shying off of pucks in the corner...). The
final incident that comes to mind was the Dave Forbes/ Henry Boucha (SP?)
incident in which Forbes and Boucha got into a fight with Forbes
getting the shit knocked out of him, the two jaw back and forth with threats
throughout the penalty and when they leave the box, forbes high-stick/hooks
Boucha (who is skating away from him) in the face and just about pulls
his eye out - the amount of blood was frightening. Forbes was taken
to court for assault I believe and convicted as well. His career 
floundered after that and he was more or less finished. I'm sure
there are other injuries as well which I have either forgotten or 
had never heard of. I know of a few that were not related to fighting
or stick-work....




				gln

> 
> Janne Kivela"


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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: 2 New Rules ???
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:07:06 GMT

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:

>In article <24106@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick Mckinney) writes:
>Can't wait for NBA-like 2 1/2 minute TV timeouts to be introduced to
>NHL by ABC.

What about 4:00 PM (or 10:00 AM) starting times if the Kings or Canucks 
(or Sharks) ever make it the finals?		
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From: leone@wpi.WPI.EDU (David M Leone)
Subject: bruins
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:52:35 GMT

The influx of new European talent will have an equal impact on Providence as 
Boston.  This would be my lineup:

	Dmitri	Oates Neely?
	Donato	Juneau	Murray
	Zholtok	Ruzicka	Leach
	Stumpel	Poulin	Heinze
with Bourque,Wesley,Featherstone,Murphy,Roberts, and Tiley on defense.
(Who the hell is Tiley?)

I believe the Bruins' largest hole is in net.  Moog can't play more than 40
games without becoming thoroughly unacceptable, and we have no proven goalie
that can split the time.(NO MATT DELGUIDICE!)

I think fans should look to this year as a rebuilding year, and follow
Providence closely.
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:48:40 GMT
Distribution: na
 

In article <1992Sep3.122302.27548@cs.rochester.edu> hoebel@cs.rochester.edu
(Lou Hoebel) writes:
>
>I'm not sure that this is a great deal for hockey fans that already get
>good coverage. It might be good for places like Tampa or SanJose that
>don't have decent coverage. Last year I had great viewing options.
>SportsChannel NY gave me NYI, NJ and MSG gave me the Rangers. We also
>get HNIC. SOme occasional late games from from SC Chicago and their
>wonderful anchor at his wonderful set. A choice of over 10 games a week
>and almost every night! wife? child? thesis? my job....? huh? what?
>But I only play two nights a week.
>
>I could care less if X million homes in Houston, Miami or Atlanta
>now have access to hockey......the sport ain't gonna make it done south!
>How many Super Speedways are there in CanadaLand...right. Its a religion
>down south...Petty is a diety, the names are Foyt, Earnhardt and Waltrip.
>Not Igor, Ivan and Mario. Visit Alabama or Texas and tell me if hockey'
>is going to make it there...or Arkansas or Tennessee or Georgia or
>South Carolina or Arizona...hey gary!..got any ice there?
>


There is no interest in hockey in the South?  Where do you think that
St. Louis is Lou? :-)

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: A Note on the FAQ and r.s.h
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:08:14 GMT

Well it has been slightly more than a year since I undertook the task of
creating and maintaining the r.s.h FAQ with a lot of help from others.
Mitch McGowan has volunteered to take over the maintenance of the FAQ. I
would like other readers to offer suggestions to Mitch about what you would
like to see in the FAQ since he will undoubtedly be modifying it to his liking
to ease the updating task.

At this time I would also like to thank the large number of people who have
given time and energy to the group which goes unnoticed to most of the readers.

Glenn Chin: tons of FAQ updates, particularly news from clari.sports.hockey
  which I don't get; schedules; tons of player stats info and occasional
  verification; offering a bunch of e-mail files

Randy Coulman: verifying the player stats weekly for all of last season;
  maintaining the goalie stats all season; setting up the Bruins mailing list

Nelson Lu and Eric Rickin: player stats info; offering e-mail files

all of the contacts listed in the FAQ: I can't really list them all since
  there are so many, but particularly the non-NHL people since r.s.h is so
  dominated by NHL posts

all the other people in the FAQ who offered disk space to maintain files of
  interesting hockey info or those who created mailing lists to reduce the
  amount of traffic on r.s.h (that really goes unnoticed!)

whoever it was that suggested crossposting the FAQ to news.answers (I can't
  remember who it was 8-)

I'm sure that I'm omitting someone, so I apologize.

---

Some comments on the future of r.s.h:

Another task I started last year was the player stats. Unfortunately, no one
has volunteered to take over this task. I cannot do it this year. If someone
does not volunteer before October, it may be too late to catch up. This means
most of the fantasy league managers will have to go back to the "old method"
(whatever it was) to process their leagues.

I will still act as Tampa Bay Lightning contact and will post team stats as
long as I am on the net.

As mentioned in the FAQ, some hockey material is being put at an ftp site.
Hopefully, I will finish this by the end of the week. Most of the stuff has
already been put there. It will be announced when this is completed and of
course it will be put in the FAQ by Mitch.

---

Thanks to all those who have helped in the past, are helping at present, and
will help in the future. Keep r.s.h full of hockey news!

Tom
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:26:55 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:

>In article 4929@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca, cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (CS4cb3) writes:
>>Craig McTavish - Edmonton Oilers
>>Rod Langway - Washington Capitals
>>Randy Carlysle - Winnipeg Jets
>>Doug Wilson - San Jose Sharks
>>Brad Marsh - Detroit Red Wings

>Larry Robinson - LA Kings, who retired last year.

Are you sure about that? I have seen several pictures of him, and have seen
him play once or twice, and he was wearing a helmet.
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: PenGuins GGGRREEAAT?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:32 -0700
Distribution: na
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <5392@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson) writes:
> 
> In message: <02SEP92.14779029.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA> 
> CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB) writes:
> 
>>First of all the pens are a very talented, and a good team, but
>>I think possibly learnt the first rule of the NHL.(THE REGULAR
>>SEASON MEANS SQUAT)!!
> 
> I will agree with everything here.  The regular season doesn't
> mean anything, and most teams just relax the season a little
> until the playoffs (or maybe the last couple of weeks of the
> season).  It is almost stupid not too... who wants a tired,
> beat-up team come playoff time???
> 
Roger Neilson?

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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
From: mch0@harvey.gte.com (Michael Hatz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Disregard FAQ Request
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:00:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GTE Laboratories

I used archie to find the faq sites.  Thanks anyway!

Mike
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:17:24 -0400 
From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ulf...

Lori writes:

>KDKA TV reported last night that Ulf Samuelsson will undergo knee surgery and
>will miss at least 4 weeks of training camp.  The report didn't say which knee
>required surgery or what type of surgery would be performed.

must be his "checking" knee. 

sorry, couldn't resist,
Ralph
From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Damphouse
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:27:01 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>> Oilers jus traded 
>> >his rights to Montreal for Shayne Corson, Brent Gilchrist,
>> and a Cech winger 
>>   
>> So who do you people feel got the better deal, Edmonton
>> or Montreal?    I'm not too familar with Corson or Gilchrist,
>> but off hand, I'd have            
>> 
>> to say Edmonton got the better deal...        
> 

	Well, in my opinion, the Oilers will NEVER have it as good as
they had it in the 80's when they had Gretz, Coffey and the boys.  It's a
shame that the hockey standards in Edmonton aren't so high anymore because,
since the fans were a bit spoiled from it, they now don't really care about
the Oilers (well, not as much as they used to).



-- 
--
Don Graves
Acadia University, Wolfville, N.S. Canada
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Damphouse
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:08:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.202701.6585@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves) writes:
>
>	Well, in my opinion, the Oilers will NEVER have it as good as
>they had it in the 80's when they had Gretz, Coffey and the boys.  It's a
>shame that the hockey standards in Edmonton aren't so high anymore because,
>since the fans were a bit spoiled from it, they now don't really care about
>the Oilers (well, not as much as they used to).
>

Good...of course...is relative.  How many teams have won 1 Stanley Cup
and made the final four 3 times in the last 3 years?

As for standards, Oilers hockey (which owes much to Canadiens hockey
of earlier eras) is becoming the norm in the NHL.  Sather bucked the
trend to defensive hockey in the early eighties, and reversed the
direction of the NHL game.

The fans are still in post-Gretzky-trauma syndrome...however there is a method
to Sather's "madness"...he's not going to make the mistakes Bill Torrey
made...the Oilers are still in transition to the post-Gretzky era and
this is aggravated by the financial re-ordering of the league.

The Oilers are extremely well-positioned to be a good team on the ice
during the nineties...when the recession is over and the roster
stabilizes a bit more, the fans will be back.  It would have been
extremely easy for Sather to stand pat and not make bold changes... 
to be content with mediocrity rather than gambling on excellence.

But then the Oilers aren't the Washington Capitals!

Gerald
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:50:17 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <4921@balrog.ctron.com>, mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
> (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>
>>Canucks' Pat Quinn has been a leading spokesman in the press for this
>>rule against premeditated fighting vs. spontaneous, but there are
>>still questions for me by using John Ferguson and Bob Probert as my
>>standards ...  Fergie could punish a guy with a few good checks for
>>beating on Cournoyer, but is that instigation or not when it cycles
>>through to fisticuffs?
> 
> Fergie took a regular shift, and pulled his weight on the team.  I would
> be naive to try to say that when Fergie came out after Yvon had taken a
> whack, that everybody in the rink was oblivious to what was forthcoming.
> However, he was also a player, and he might wait and pick his spot rather
> than hop the boards or assault a guy before a face-off.  Contrast this to
> a 70's(?) goon like Steve Durbano, who was such a wild man, he was barred
> from several leagues, if I recall correctly.  About the only time he came
> on the ice and didn't get a fighting penalty, it was because he did some
> thing more dastardly first.
> 
> Again, Probert at least is a player. Fights that are premeditated by goon
> players will be obvious. Real players will be given the benefit of the doubt
> by good referees (or is that a fictional beast like the Centaur?)
> 

I have seen plenty of 2-minute instigator penalties called against "real
players", usually because he obviously started the fight, occasionally
because the ref had his head up his ass.  I would hope that the new
penalty will be enforced based on whether the man started the fight,
without consideration for his ice time or goal totals.

Concerning the new penalty, I think that it might backfire because
having a player thrown out is not much of a loss if that player
is good for nothing but fighting, a la Steve Durbano. The old rule,
which was a minor penalty, resulted in a power play that could
cost you the game.

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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey Poll
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:39:41 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Gary L Dare) writes:
>I'll restake my previous season's prediction: Rangers over Jets in 6.
>They now have Phil Bourque; if they can add Steve Yzerman, it'll be a
>fait accompli.  And, I'm not a Rangers fan ...

There is only one fait accompli in the NHL:

some team's fans, come the playoffs, will be chanting "1940, 1940, 1940"

Matt
Rangers will finish first overall, and then find somebody to lose to
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