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From: jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping)
Subject: Re: SunSoft's OpenWindows Directions
Reply-To: jipping@cs.hope.edu
Organization: Hope College
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:43:24 GMT

In article 1k6eitINN564@armory.centerline.com, matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
>
>This sounds a lot like SunSoft is setting the stage to *drop* XView
>entirely.  The phrases "maintain your present applications" and "need
>functionality not available on XView" conspicuously avoids any mention
>of new application development using XView, or of ongoing development
>work on the XView toolkit itself.
>
>Can we have *clear* statement of direction from SunSoft on the future
>of XView?  

C'mon now...fire up your "Marketing-speak" translator and quit harping
on this guy!  He doesn't make policy statements -- he has to present them
to the general public.

I think it's *OBVIOUS* that XView is going away.  By hoisting up OLIT 
in comparison to XView and by implying that there will be "functionality
not available in XView", I think he's stating that XView is DONE.  

At the SUG conference in San Jose, the folks on the Developer's Panel
stated that no new work will go into XView, all new development will be
done on OLIT, and that XView headers and libraries will be around for
a long time to come.  Bugfixes will continue for a time.  And, yes, there
is an eye toward EOL'ing XView.

>Don't get me wrong, I think that, politics of the Workstation Wars
>being what they are, SunSoft might be doing the right thing for its
>business here (although I'll surely regret the loss of the last truly 
>innovative window system technology outside of NeXT).  But the way 
>it's presented here makes it sound like something it isn't.

Again...this guy speak Marketing.  Read the signs along the road.  XView --
and NeWS -- will be gone soon (NeWS probably much sooner than XView).  I sure
hope the demise of NeWS does not surprise anyone...it's a great innovative
technology that no one used.  And Sun sure is not in the business of supporting
what a minority of its customers use.  (Remember that no one used the C 
compiler, by Sun's reckoning!)  Frankly, I'm surprised Sun hung onto it this
long.

It *would* be nice for some Sun muckety-muck so give a timeline as to
when various products are to be EOL'd.  But again, read the signs and follow
your instincts.  And remember that Sun was still selling Sun-3s the same month 
it announced their end-of-life!

      Mike Jipping
      Hope College Department of Computer Science
      jipping@cs.hope.edu  (BITNET: JIPPING@HOPE)

      "It was a marketing coup ... to rename SunOS 4.1.X to 
       Solaris 1.0.  That way, Solaris 2.X could be called 
       an upgrade..."
                                    -- Rob Kolstad, SUG '92
From: rickg@eng.sun.com (The Tankster)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Weird XView 3.0 XV_KEY_DATA problem
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:59:45 GMT
Reply-To: rickg@eng.sun.com
Organization: SunSoft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irondude
In-reply-to: ctoomey@ccvax.ucd.ie's message of 22 Jan 93 13:27:48 GMT


   From: ctoomey@ccvax.ucd.ie
   Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
   Date: 22 Jan 93 13:27:48 GMT
   Organization: University College Dublin

   Hi All,
	   came across a weird problem with XView 3.0 today. I created a canvas as
   a child of a frame and attached 11 items to it's paint window using
   XV_KEY_DATA. This worked fine with XView 2.0 but crashed under version 3.0.
   The cause seemed was an xv_get(window,XV_KEY_DATA,5) instruction which should
   have returned NULL because that item had not yet been set. I tried setting the 
   item in advance - now the thing crashed just after the start of the xv main
   loop. After many hours poring over manuals and wracking my brains for possible 
   causes I tried changing the 5 to a 23. It worked!

	   What I'd like to know is why? Is it a mistake in my code (there are 
   definitely no other items with this number) or is there an instruction in XView
   3.0 like "if key==5 then crash" :-) If anyone has any ideas I'd like to know...


can somebody FAQize this?

anyway, the deal is that the XView library itself uses
XV_KEY_DATA extensively, so you must be certain that the
key you use is unique.  the methodology for doing this is
to obtain the key from the function xv_unique_key(void).

if you just pick arbitrary numbers, especially low numbers,
your likelyhood of collision is quite high, as is your likelyhood
of trampling something that the library depends on.

<<tank

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.unix.solaris
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: Error starting OpenWindows 3.1 under Solaris 2.1
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:09:53 GMT

chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:

>     Every time I run openwin under Solaris 2.1, I get the following
>error traceback:

I got similar error messages. They were cause by my .startup.ps:

shareddict /PaintRootDict get begin
    
   %
   % the following line deletes the banner from startup
   %
  /InitPaintRoot { } def

end

I removed the startup.ps file and al is well. (Except taht I get the
Solaris greeting banner every time).

Casper

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: larry@shark.mitra.com (Larry Williamson)
Subject: Re: OLIT 3.0.1 Reference Manual part number???
Organization: Mitra Imaging Inc.
	<1993Jan19.203347.29578@sq.sq.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:16:36 GMT


>>Does anyone know the Sun part number for the OLIT 3.0.1 reference
>>manual. 
>
>OLIT 3.0.1 Reference Manual
>	   800-6391-10; again, I have Revision A, June 1992
>
>I am not sure if these numbers are the latest, although they do say 3.0.1
>on the covers; if anyone has other numbers, please tell me and I'll put
>them in the FAQ for comp.windows.open-look.  My uncertainty is because some
>of the manuals here came from the Early Acces programme.

I called Sun Canada to order this book.  They do not have this number
on their price list. The numbers apparently stop somewhere in the 6200
range, and pickup again in the 6400 range.

I have not given up yet.

I am confused as to why sun stopped putting this on the Answerbook.
This manual along with all the manuals in the Open Windows Developers
Set was on the the SunOS 4.1.2 answerbook, but not the SunOS 4.1.3
answerbook or on the Solaris 2.0 answerbook. I don't have a Solaris
2.1 answerbook, so I don't know about it. Interestingly, there are a
number of the O'Reilly books on the 4.1.2 answerbook too.

Anyway, thanks for the info. I hope to persuade someone at Sun to sell
me this book.

-Larry

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: eedksc@teamos50.ericsson.se (Klaus Schniedergers)
Subject: Re: XVIEW problem
Organization: Ericsson Eurolab Deutschland GmbH
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:37:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan17.045628.21353@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> fritzke@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bernd Fritzke) writes:


>   I have a problem with one of example programs in the O'Reilly Volume 7,
>   (XView Programming Manual). 
	.....

>   The program I mean is item_move.c in the directory examples/panels.
>   It is listed in Appendix G of Volume 7 and described in section 7.18.4
>   in my edition.

>   The description says, that after starting the program one is able to
>   generate buttons and other things interactively and then move them
>   around with the middle mouse button. The latter does *not* work. When I
>   press the middle mouse button, the cursor changes instead to a large 
>   question mark but I'm not able to move any items in the panel.


Don't mix up OW2 and OW3. Changing $LD_LIBRARY_PATH from 
 "/usr/openwin3/lib:/usr/5lib:/usr/lib"   (or whatever-your-paths-like)
to
 "/usr/openwin/lib:/usr/5lib:/usr/lib"
changes the behaviour from showing a question mark to moving the item.

Klaus
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: vijay@iitb.ernet.in (Vijay J. Talati)
Subject: Pixmap drawing in Xview Canvases
Keywords: Xview, Pixmaps, Canvas
Organization: Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:52:43 GMT

Hi,
I am developing a drawing program under XView. 
I have rubber banding objects. This is how i am going about it.

I am having two GCs and a pixmap and a canvas. While rubber banding (in 
event_proc of canvas) i write the image in both the GCs , one has pixmap as
drawable and other has the canvas has drawable. And in repaint_proc I 
Copy the Pixmap on to Canvas ( XCopyPlane). This works, but i dont like it.
There must be a more elegant way of doign it.. i want to avoid drawing to 
two GCs.

Any pointers are welcome. If someone can point to some pd program which does
something similar , then it would be helpful.

Thanks. Pleas e-mail responses to vijay@gateway.iitb.ernet.in

Vijay

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: webster@bnr.ca (Brent Webster)
Subject: blocking window updates
Reply-To: webster@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:00:12 GMT

I'm running the xnlock screen saver under Openwin3.0 / SunOS 4.1.1.
My question is once xnlock is invoked, are all updates and
refreshes of the "other" windows suspended and queued up?

I had a large tar files containings some 3000+ files.  In a "cmdtool" window,
I began to untar it with the verbose option set. I xnlocked the screen and left
for the night. When I unlocked the screen the next morning, numerous lines flashed
by my screen but it was still doing the untar.  The untar job should have taken
about an hour.

Are there any "xset" settings or whatever to prevent this problem?
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From: garym@csbvax.uucp (Gary Marcos)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Font Editor
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:47:43 GMT
Organization: Varian Associates

Hello,

The only font editor on my Sun is "fontedit" from the days when we
were running Sunview.  Fontedit is fine for fixed widths,
but I need variable.

Can you point me to a public domain font ediutor that runs
under OpenWindows???

Thanks,

Gary M.

garym@varian.com

please email to above address rather than post to news.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jay@east-wind.org (Jay Miller)
Subject: Time tracking program wanted
Organization: East Wind Community, Tecumseh, Missouri, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:28:57 GMT

I hope I have the right newsgroup for this.

Can anyone suggest an "audit" or "time-tracking" program for
Windows 3.1?  Probably a TSR.  Users would have to enter their 
names before gaining access.  They could give themselves a
password.  The administrator could later determine what programs
were used by what users at what times.

Ideally as part of the same program, users must be able to 
leave messages for other users on the same machine.  Upon entering 
their name, they'd be alerted to any messages left for them.  If 
this requires a separate utility, so be it.

We're East Wind, an intentional community of 50 in Missouri.
We don't have a LAN (yet), but we have five Windows machines.  We
want to be legal, so cost is important.  $50/machine tops,
hopefully.  Shareware great.

Direct e-mail response would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you..
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jay@east-wind.org
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Subject: HELP: server connection
Reply-To: skow@cs.utwente.nl
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:25:13 GMT

I am currently running Open Windows server from the network 
(let's call it machine N). Let's call my machine machine A.
We got recently a SparcStation 10 (lets's call it machine B)
which stands in our room.
On machine B, Open Windows has been installed on a local
disk. I suppose it would be faster for me if I run
OpenWindows from machine B than from our network machine N.
Is it so?
If so, then I think I have two possibilities and I would like
to know how to do it.
First: do not run the server on my machine and just
use the server on machine B and just display on my
machine. How do I have to do it? I mean, what parameters do I
have to set (DISPLAY etc.).
Second: run the server on my machine. Then I would like to
start the server from machine B, and not from machine N. How to
do it?

Also, If You think that this configuration can be improved?

Jacek




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P.O. Box 217
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From: gaffur@belenos.pci.upmc.edu (Ehsan-ul Gaffur)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: HELP: server connection
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:03:09 GMT

In message <1993Jan22.102513.16501@cs.utwente.nl> you write:
> I am currently running Open Windows server from the network 
> (let's call it machine N). Let's call my machine machine A.
> We got recently a SparcStation 10 (lets's call it machine B)
> which stands in our room.
> On machine B, Open Windows has been installed on a local
> disk. I suppose it would be faster for me if I run
> OpenWindows from machine B than from our network machine N.
> Is it so?
> If so, then I think I have two possibilities and I would like
> to know how to do it.
> First: do not run the server on my machine and just
> use the server on machine B and just display on my
> machine. How do I have to do it? I mean, what parameters do I
> have to set (DISPLAY etc.).
> Second: run the server on my machine. Then I would like to
> start the server from machine B, and not from machine N. How to
> do it?
> 

I'm sure you'll be bombarded with responses, but here is my two
cent's worth:

The SPARCstation 10 (machine-B) will be a faster server so you
ought to mounts its disc from your host (machine-A).  Place an
entry in machine-A's /etc/fstab that looks something like this:

   machine-B:/usr/openwin /usr/openwin nfs ro,soft,bg 0 0

Of course, machine-B must have /usr/openwin exported so it must
have an entry in its /etc/exports file that looks something like
this:

   /usr/openwin ro,access=machine-A,machine-C,machine-D,...

On machine-B, one must issue the command "exportfs /usr/openwin",
then on machine-A, the command "mount -vat nfs".  Of course one
must have root privilege to do these commands.

Once machine-B's /usr/openwin directory has been mounted, you
may envoke OpenWindows normally:

machine-A: setenv OPENWINHOME /usr/openwin
machine-A: $OPENWINHOME/bin/openwin

I hope this helps.

Ehsan-ul Gaffur
Systems Analyst
Biostatistics Center
Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
From: josephn@reynolds.tansu.com.au (Joseph Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: HELP: UIT Question - restrict access to "Text Pane"
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:29:54 GMT
Reply-To: josephn@reynolds.tansu.com.au
Organization: AOTC - CSSC

Within the TermDisplay or TextDisplay window, user can click on the right button
to invoke the "Text Pane" menu. This will create some unwant results to our 
application. Is there possible (and how) to turn off this feature through UIT ?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Joseph 

Telecom Australia	josephn@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au
From: rjansen@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Robert Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: openlooktimboektoe
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:09:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels University

Does anyone know about a software which resembles in functionality
to the keyboard and screen duplication capabilities of the well known
timboektoe package for Macintosch. ? 
(Only keyboard and screen duplication capabilities are needed)

Thanks.

Please respond by email please. thanks.

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Rekencentrum VUB/ULB
VUBnet

email: rjansen@vnet3.vub.ac.be
Tel:  +32-2-650.37.29
Secr: +32-2-650.37.38
Fax:  +32-2-650.37.40
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: Cannot Create base Frame Failure
Keywords: Failure Base Frame OpenWindows
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:56:09 GMT

gaffur@belenos.pci.upmc.edu (ehsan-ul gaffur) writes:
>When I start OpenWindows from my .login file, I get the error
>      window: Base frame not passed parent window in environment.
>      Cannot create base frame.  Process aborted.

/usr/bin must be ahead of $OPENWINHOME and /usr/bin/X11 in your path.
You're starting the SunView cmdtool, not the X version.

If you typed "which cmdtool" at a shell prompt you would have known you
were running the wrong one.

-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x.apps
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Icon dock (especially for olvwm)?
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:02:07 GMT


Anyone know of a stand alone icon doc application - particularly one that
will talk to olvwm?  I would like to find a way to get my icons to stay
in one smaller area rather than getting placed all over or under the other
windows that I have.
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From: dew@rocky.cadence.com (Dave Wilson)
Subject: PANEL_VALUE_FONT
Originator: dew@rocky
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:31:06 GMT


Does anyone have experience with the PANEL_VALUE_FONT attribute.  It is listed
in the Xview Programmers Guide but no explanation for it is in there.  I want
to set the point size -- and just the point size -- of the font that will be used for the PANEL_VALUE.

Thanks

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From: tdt@cray.com (Thomas Torkelson  {66580 CF/DEV})
Subject: XVNEWS
Keywords: xvnews, post
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:18:16 CST


Hi!

I have downloaded xvnews off of the sunsite server and compiled it on
my Sun Sparc 2 with no problems mentioned.  However when I use xvnews
to post to a newsgroup, xvnews hangs.  After clicking on the post
button on the menu area, the button highlights and then the system
just sits there.  I have a friend who says when he tried this on
his IPX that after a while, his system hung to the point where he
had to do a reboot.

I have read through the files and tried to contact dan.currie@sun.com
and have my e-mail bounce with unknown user.

If anyone has a suggestion I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

Tom T.

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From: segall@nprdc.navy.mil (Dan Segall)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: reading in files
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:51:11 GMT


Subject: reading in files

Can anyone direct me on how to read in files and display them?
I am just starting to learn about Xview and the only example
I have found on reading in files is on pg. 478 of vol.7 (o`reilly).
I have incorporated this code into my program, my program compiles
just fine, but when I run the program, nothing happens. My window
dosen't pop up with my panel buttons anymore. I looked at the
tiny vol.7 that accompanies the larger vol. 7 (o'reilly) and it
didn't seem to have too much more information on this, can anyone
help I am stuck! I am used to dealing with Motif, where you 
have a file dialog selection box which makes things much more
painless, but unfortuneately the place I am working dosen't support
Motif. I would appreciate any help. 8-).

Dan Segall.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: ferens@ee.umanitoba.ca (Ken Ferens)
Subject: how to pin root menu on starup
Reply-To: ferens@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:30:19 GMT

Hi,
	I am having some problems pinning the root menu when I start openwin 3.0.
In my .Xdefaults I have:

olvwm3.AutoShowRootMenu: 	True 
olvwm3.AutoShowRootMenuX: 	0 
olvwm3.AutoShowRootMenuY: 	0 

But the root menu never starts pinned up.  Any ideas?

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Ken  Ferens
ferens@ee.umanitoba.ca
From: jmk@sun.com (John Mani)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: OLIT 3.0.1 Reference Manual part number???
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:55:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jmk@sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: rita


	Part number for the 3.0.1 OLIT Reference Manual (Revision 51, 2/92)
	 is 800-6391-06

-John Mani
SunSoft Inc
From: courtney@phoenix.cps.msu.edu (Jonathan Courtney)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: XView and Caps key state
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:55:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: phoenix.cps.msu.edu


  What is the best way to determine the state of the Caps lock key in
an XView program?  For example,

  event_shift_is_down(event)

does not return "true" if the Caps key is on.  Neither does

  (event_shiftmask(event) & CAPSMASK)


Any suggestions?

							Jon

P.S. - Please email if possible.
From: jdf@nitehawk.East.Sun.COM (Jim Fiori - Special Projects)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: XView Question: Changing Focus
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:16:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdf@nitehawk.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nitehawk.east.sun.com

In article 27485@tc.cornell.edu, fielding@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (David L. Fielding) writes:
>
>	How does one change the focus from a text field in one
>panel to a text field in a different panel in the same window?
>I'm using XView 3.0.
>
>	xv_set (panel, PANEL_CARET_ITEM, another_item, NULL);
>	This code only works in the same panel.
>

Use the WIN_FOCUS attribute for the panel:

		xv_set (panel, WIN_FOCUS, PANEL_CARET_ITEM, another_item, NULL);
	
Jim Fiori


Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.unix.solaris
From: rjkroege@pebbles.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Kroeger)
Subject: Re: Error starting OpenWindows 3.1 under Solaris 2.1
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:52 GMT

About the banner thing.
Run openwin -banner.

That banner is just a bit too much. :-)

Rob Kroeger
CGL
University of Waterloo
.