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From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: asymmetrical drill
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:10:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr13.221018.6237
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <8duXu1m00WBK09rHlz@andrew.cmu.edu> df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David James Foremsky) writes:
>On 14-Apr-92 in PS. altered CDs              
>user Michael Wang@cco.caltech writes:
>>	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
>>                 designs into their program?
>
>I once talked to a guy who thought it was Garfield, but I'm laying my
>money on Santa Clara. (I don't know when, though.  Sorry)
>deej

I'm putting my money on SCV too.  I can't remember my history that well, but
I think it was in the 70's and that SCV got SLAMMED score wise.  The idea
was *way* to radicle for the jucges to handel.

Times, they are a changin'.

Dave
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From: v060l9wu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Skiing Maniac)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Arrogant Drummers
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr9.100107.2299@ducvax.auburn.edu>, jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes...

>Anyway, anybody who's ever kissed a trumpet player will tell you
>there's nothing better; we have strong lips and flexible tongues.

	That may be true, but not according to any of the gf I have 
had...  ;)  Anyway, our grip is much better!!!!  :)

				-Jonny B.
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Toledo Glassmen
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:58:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxeline.1992Apr8.145831.11337
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA

In article <RRUSK.92Apr7215854@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com writes:
>Does anybody know what has happened to the Glassmen over the last dozen
>years or so?  I marched with them in 1980 (I think) and enjoyed it immensely
>until I ran out of money :^(.  A moved to the FL Keys in 1981 and more or 
>less lost touch with corps in general.  I occasionally thought I might try
>to march a season with the Suncoast Sound before ageing out, but it never
>worked out...

>>>I could have sworn I saw them within the past two years. They are a hell of 
alot smaller than they used to be, (but are'nt most of the non top 12 corps now
adays?)!


--Kel
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From: jeff@kodak.com
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: info on drumcorps wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:40:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company


	Hello everyone!

		I am a high school student who plays trombone and 
sousaphone( 3rd year in a marching band), and I am immensely 
interested in joining a corp someday. I've got a couple questions for 
any knowledgeable people out there, so here we go:
1) What steps must you take in contacting the corp you wish to try 
out for?
2) HOW DO YOU TRY OUT???- and what are the auditions like?
3) On average, how many people try out each season?
4) How much time and $$$  is involved?
5) What is the majority age group involved?

	I'm also interested in knowing if it is difficult to be in a corp 
and go to college at the same time? Thanks in advance for any 
replies.

Jeff Spoonhower
Webster, New York 

-  -  -  -  -  LETS GO PHANTOM!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:11:18 GMT

drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:

>I gotta say, the question itself made me chuckle a little.  The
>"Note:..." part is what got me.  In my mind, it wasn't so long ago
>that I saw DCI broadcasts where everybody marched.  And have any of
>you seen those classic McCormick's marketing videotapes, the ones that
>highlight the Vanguard drum line of 77 or 78 or 79? (I can't quite
>place the year; shame on me).  That's when they still used Slingerland
>drums when Slingerland was hot.  Those marching tympani were pretty
>darned cool.  Not that I'd like to see them make a comeback.

Ugh, nor actually march them personally.... You know, the other day I was
at Disneyland, and they had a mini corps there, performing near the space
mountain ride, and this one guy in the percussion line (there were only three)
was playing 3 bass drums.... in a VERTICAL arrangement... That must have been
heavy, ugh :)

>Also, Star isn't the first corps to re-introduce marching keyboards
>after the pit was in existance, Garfield was.  Check out their '84
>West Side Story show (my third favorite drumcorps show of all time).
>Incredible.

>______________________________________________________________________________
>George D. Drapeau			Internet: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
>Libraries and Information Resources
>Stanford University
-- 
mokie@cco.caltech.edu        |  "Let not your heart be troubled,
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Jodeen Popp book
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:32:35 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I called Olympic Printing in Des Plaines, IL for more information on the
drum corps book by Jodeen Popp:  

Here goes:  The whole package is three volumes - drum corps history to 1978
plus 2 supplements updating until 1981.  They cost $35.00 total (p+h included).

You can order by check (made out to Sheryl Granna).  Send it to
Olympic Printing
83 N Broadway Ave.
Des Plaines, IL 60016

For more info, call them at (708) 296-3015.  I'm ordering mine today :-)


-- 
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From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: How bout ya BLUECOATS
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:17:51 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Since I've been shipped south to Spirit land I've lost touch with the troops.
I'd appreciate it if any Bluecoats members or staff would let me know if 
they are on the network.  

How bout ya Silver Fox  --- the River Rat's callin

 
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: best cities for finals
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:27:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.143805.74670@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>I have attended the last six finals.  In my opinion, Madison was by far
>the best CITY for the show.  It's a small, safe, attractive college town
>with a great campus and a neat downtown, and everything's walking distance.
>The people in the town really get into it, and the parade is always great.
>The best stadium is in Kansas City.  But I still had more fun in Madison.
>I can't wait for this august!!

The only real problem with Madison is the housing. Folks who got motel rooms
somewhat late were winding up in Janesville. Folks who got their rooms really
late were winding up in northern Illinois.

It's too bad that the University couldn't provide more housing; perhaps it's
too close to the students returning to dorms in the fall.

>Scott

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: gocek.henr801c@xerox.com (Gary Gocek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Quotes from Jay Kennedy, DCI judge administrator
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:26:44 GMT
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY


From "Today's Music Educator", December, 1991.
Excerpts from an interview with Jay Kennedy, judge administrator for DCI.

"Another area I've been trying to move drum corps into for the last four or
five years is the use of some electronic instruments, particularly percussion.
The board naturally has some concerns.  They don't really understand the
potential or just how those things work.  It's a little bit scary because
they just don't have that knowledge.  They also want to avoid the situation
where you hit a button and a whole symphony plays.  O.K.  So I've written a
rule proposal that says you can't sequence rhythmic patterns or anything like
that.  Every note or sound has to be generated by an implement in real time.

"The [HS marching] bands can almost do whatever they want.  If they want an
orchestra playing or if they want to hit a button and a whole African rhythm
ensemble kicks in, that's fine.  But the corps directors or managers that I
have talked to want to avoid it coming down to 'he who programs the best.'
I think that is a legitimate concern.  But there are a lot of other things they
don't understand.  You can get a good marimba sound without spending eight or
nine thousand dollars on a concert marimba and wearing out the keys, plus, from
the same instrument you can get maybe vibes, xylophone and bells.  The bottom
line is, it's not what you have, it's how well you use it.  Besides, electonics
are intended to be an aid to, rather than a replacement for, acoustic instruments.

"... Plus it opens a lot of other possibilities to sounds that are not typical
to the activity.  Of course, I don't ever want to see the activity lose its
acoustic qualities, but then again, I think there also are benefits.  The board
is concerned about invigorating new fans into the activity.  These new fans are
hearing these sounds every day on their radios and on records.  The kids in
the corps work with this equipment at their colleges every day.  Bands are using
it and the bands have definitely taken over the leadership in that area, leaving
drum corps to be a 'pageantry dinosaur' in that area.  So it's time that DCI
and drum corps try to get back to leading the pageantry activity instead of
being a follower.

"[Drum corps] are the leader in execution qualities, but I have seen a lot of
band shows and many of them generate more emotion and more effect upstairs.
And I have certainly seen, from a creative point of view, them being as good
as, if not better than, drum corps.  Yes, drum corps, because of the time they
put in, are almost always probably going to execute or play better.  But there
is a lot more to making up a show than just that."

----------
I figured you'd all like to get into a flame war about this.

Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Maddon
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:57:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University

>>It was two-three years ago, I believe, and the commentator was
>>drill designer Michael Cesario.  "Watch as this group moves here,
>>this group moves here.   Then solid form, solid form... from linear
>>form.  Was it the Cavies' show he was diagraming?
>>
>> - Jay
>
>I'm pretty sure it was the 1986 Blue Devils show.  I have it on
>tape somewhere.  After the drawing on the screen, Steve Rondinero (sp?)
>said, "John Madden's got nothing on you."

You're both wrong.  It was 1987 Blue Devils.  The rest of the account
is correct.  I thought it was quite an effective way to show what was
going on, but it didn't catch on.
                                          Scott
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: the past
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:00:47 GMT

In article <3a7a02ftc3XV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
>In previous article, nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>The following are some of the local shows this year
>
>	May 2		Concord Pavilion  (standstill concert)
>	June 13		Concord
>	June 19		Clovis
>	June 24		Modesto
>	June 26		Sacramento
>	June 27		Pacific Procession
>	July 10		Stockton
>	July 11		Concord
>

This schedule suggests to me that there won't be any Southern California
shows this year (because there's no space to have shows), which would be
a shame.  Maybe this is related to the fact that VK is headed to the
Midwest early this year (what a hell of a tour that will be!).  Anyone
know for sure what the situation is for Southern Cal?  I believe someone
asked this question before.

On a related note (I hope this hasn't been posted yet), the Concord
Pavilion show will be Sat, May 2.  You can order a tape of the show
by sending $11.00 to:

    Johnson Digital Audio
    Concord Pavilion Tape
    467 Saratoga Ave., Suite 627
    San Jose, CA  95129-1380

They say to allow 3 weeks for delivery, but as I recall they are
very quick about this (I think I got mine 10 days after the show
last year -- wow).

Featured on the tape will be the Blue Devils, SCV, the Freelancers
and the Mandarins.  There will also be the feeder corps (including
Blue Devils 'C' ...) and a few ensembles, such as the BD brass
ensemble, the BD pit, and the SCV drum line.  At least this is
what was on last year's tape.  I found that the BD horn line sounded
much better than the full corps, probably because the Pavilion is
an amphitheater and just makes the percussion sound noisy.

-- Donald
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:26:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr8.142652.6712
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <JAC.92Apr8102517@glinda.cis.ohio-state.edu> jac@cis.ohio-state.edu (Jim Clausing) writes:
>
>Fine, but would you have had the same 2 hour talk if the guy had
>marched with some Class A corps?  How about a senior corps?  Some of
>us never had the FINANCIAL ability to march with a top 12 corps, does
>this make our opinions any less legitimate?  I think that this group
>is a great idea, but if that is the attitude that the folks in this
>group are going to take, then we shouldn't waste our time, the
>signal-to-noise ratio will be practically nil.
>   --
>   Harry Koehnemann

Speaking for myself, yes, I could have that same 2 hour conversation with
a member of ANY corps (and HAVE HAD!!!).  A small or senior corps is still
a corps.  This is not a point worth argueing.  The same could be said for
college marching bands.  I do not, however, attempt to talk corps with
a band person or visa-versa.  They are oil and water as far are the experience
goes.  I don't trust anyone's opinion on either subject unless they lived
it.  If someone who has had experience in both would care to flame me on
this, fire away.  If my attitude is backwards, it won't change for the
better until someone who knows both corps and bands tells me in a 
convincing fashion how they are more the same than my years of experience
led me to believe.

Please do not get me wrong, I *love* marching bands too.  They are just
different from corps.  Not better, not worse.  DIFFERENT.  Different
instruments, different goals, different working conditions...

If it does move on to a bigger and better group as Mr Faith implied.  I'm
all for it.  This ongoing arguement shows the need for this group all
the more.

Dave
chapek@cae.wisc.edu
From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach x4365 5-2)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bridgemen 1978?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:27:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision, a Company of Prime Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr4.202626.16340@csun.edu>, cbcscsxn@ms.secs.csun.edu (Scott Neurgoschl) writes:
|> 
|> Bridgemen 78
|> 	Pagliacci
|> 	New York, New York
|> 	Harlem Nocturne
|> 	William Tell Overture
|>
    No, they opened the show with Ritual Fire and Sabre Dance, not Pagliacci.
And I think you mean Harlem Doctor. They also had an excellent drum solo between that
and New York, New York.

|> Let me tell you, the William Tell was AWESOME!

Agreed!

-Jeff


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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: performances in the MidAtlantic region...
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:46:14 GMT

In article <92100.212400MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu> MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu (mary carpenter) writes:
>*sigh* I've been stuck in Central PA for so long... And it's been a long time
>since I've seen a LIVE drumcorps show.  Can anyone give me a list of
>dates for performances this summer somewhere in the Midatlantic region.
>I'm in the mood to roadtrip.  (If you don't know any, could you give me
>some direction as to where I could find out...)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mary Carpenter              --Alas, the summer I was 16 I threatened to run
>mxc117@psuvm                  away and join the Butler Vagabonds (smallish?
>carpnter@gis.psu.edu          Pittsburgh-area corps), but the parents caught
>                              me and kept me home... I was deprived! I want
>                              restitution!

>>>>Hi Mary,
		There is usually a show in Westchester PA, and there is AlWAYS 
a DCI East show in Allentown PA. I think the Allentown show is only about a
week before nationals this year!

		Kel
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:03:49 GMT
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: DCI sites
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr14.150639.6235@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.065617.21061@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>>
>>	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
>>also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
>>of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..
>>
>
>>Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu
>>
>>:)
>
>
>>>>Right up untill last year, I went faithfully every year! I did like the 
>stadium in Kansas City, although there was not much around for entertainment
>(except for a few bars). I am VERY biased to the stadium in Madison Wisconsin.
>There is (as far as I can remember, it's been a few years) some shopping 
>centers, movies, restaurants and some pretty nice site seeing there, too!
>
>--Kel
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I like the Madison "area" too.  I marched finals in Madison for two years and   not only were the sites and the shopping pretty decent, but the people
in Madison love drumcorps.  When you're marching along in the parade you can
barely hear the music because the people are cheering so much.  The only 
think that I really don't like about Madison's stadium is the bench seats.
Very uncomfortable!!!

kh
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: the past
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:35:59 GMT

In article <ku93cpINNdkt@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>> From mccrorey@convex.com (Martin McCrorey)
>> This is great...I love reading about DCI, but I wonder if anyone out
>> there remembers the days of corps pre-DCI?  Like Troopers in the 60's,
>
>YES!  The Stockton Commodores, The Capitialaires, The Sunnyvale Golden Eagles,
>the Anahiem Kingsmen, and the rest.....
>
>I can remember (serious dating here) when a corps would start at one goal line, and
>end there show when they crossed the other end zone.  There was inspection
>at the line, and you could not have ANY facial hair, makeup, or men's hair
>touching their collar.
>
>The Commodores would start their show, off the line with the fanfare from
>2001, while standing on the line.  During their show, they had a jazzed
   
>up version of "Popeye" that I still whistle.  All male corps.
>
>I can remember when the Blue Devils were still Drum and Bell!  I have all of the 
>programs from Pacific Procession (SCV Show) that I have been to since 1974.
>Great memories!
>
>I started marching when I was very young, and the corps I was in folded after
>6 years, but I never got drum corps out of my blood.  I have turned on a lot
>of people to drum corps, and they have all loved it!
>--  Bill Nielsen

>>>Geesh, if you remember all this, you MUST remember valve and rotary bugles!
yech... :)

Kel
From: allen@Aardvark.Rain.Com (Allen Warren)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:43:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Steve's UNIX System, Portland, OR


Matthew Binkowski of MSU pointed out in an earlier post how DCI
programs are always quick to expose the differences between Corps
and Bands.  With that in mind, I think it ironic how the Director of
Ohio State University's Marching Band (a band about as military and
NOT corps as you can get), Dr. Jon Woods, regularly judges at high
school marching band contests in the Central Ohio area.  These
contests are made up of primarily (90%) corps style musical marching
ensembles.

As I stated in an earlier post, I was in OSU's marching band.  I love
the military style and I also love to watch Drum Corps groups 
perform.  The crispness of military bands and the pageantry of
corps-style are unique and wonderful to watch in their own rite.

BA
From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: A60 classification
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:13:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena


	A disclaimer:  I'm sure you all may have noticed that my first post
here was the really the fist time I posted to any newsgroup.  So bear with
me as I learn the 'tricks of the trade.'  

	Anyways, I received a number of messages from people asking me what
A60 meant?  Well, drum corps in North America (a distinction must be made
between drum corps from other countries as they work by different rules) is
divided into three divisions.  Excluding senior corps, they are the open class,
the A class, and the A-60 class.  (I think that at the last DCI convention,
the delegates who attended voted to rename the three divisions as divisions
I, II, and III.  Can anyone support this statement?  I can't find my DCW!)
The open (I) class has a maximum of 128 members; this includes the horn line,
drum line, pit line, colorguard, and DM(s).  The A class division (II) can
have a maximum of 90 members and the A-60(III), obviously 60.  So at
various competitions one more than likely watch performances from more than
one division.  I am from the West Coast and I watch the Blue Devil, SCV, 
Velvet Knights, and Freelancers play their show after BDB, SCVC, and, of 
course, the Mandarins.  (Out of curiosity, who has heard of us?)  And so
during DCI finals week, there are three races in which corps in their
divisions battle it out for first place.  Unfortunately, spectators only
know of the 'DCI World Champions' of the open class and not of the other 
two classes.  They, too, have their respective 'Champions.'
	TRIVIA QUESTION:  Who won the title in the A and A-60 divisions
over the last, say, five years?
	I hoped I have helped answered your questions to those of you who
emailed me.

	1991 Phanton was awesome!


michaelw@coil.caltech.edu

:)





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