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From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Men and Women
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:00:47 GMT

Article: 477 of soc.religion.bahai
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:08:51
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: Re: Quotation on equality between man and woman

    The world of humanity is possessed of two wings: the male and the
    female.  So long as these two wings are not equivalent in
    strength, the bird will not fly.  Until womankind reaches the same
    degree as man, until she enjoys the same areana of activity,
    extraordinary attainment for humanity will not be realized;
    humanity cannot wing its way to heights of real attainment.  When
    the two wings or parts become equivalent in strength, enjoying the
    same prerogatives, the flight of man will be exceedingly lofty and
    extraordinary.  Therefore, woman must receive the same education
    as man and all inequality be adjusted.  Thus, imbued with the same
    virtues as man, rising through all the degrees of human
    attainment, women will become the peers of men, and until this
    equality is established, true progress and attainment for the
    human race will not be facilitated.

    The evident reasons underlying this are as follows: Woman by
    nature is opposed to war; she is an advocate of peace.  Children
    are reared and brought up by the mothers who give them the first
    principles of education and labor assiduously in their behalf.
    Consider, for instance, a mother who has tenderly reared a son for
    twenty years to the age of maturity.  Surely she will not consent
    to having that son torn asunder and killed in the field of battle.
    Therefore, as woman advances toward the degree of man in power and
    privilege, with the right of vote and control in human government,
    most assuredly war will cease; for woman is naturally the most
    devoted and staunch advocate of international peace.

    ('Abdu'l-Baha, "Promulgation of Universal Peace", page 375)




Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: johnwu@netcom.com (John M. Wu)
Subject: Re: Save Me!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:17:35 GMT

In article <0096505A.E137AF00@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>We all know women who have rescue fantasies (Prince Charming'll come along and
>take me away from all this, etc.), but do men ever have "rescuer" fantasies?

I did while I was in junior high.  But I got bored with that theme.  Too
unrealistic...   I don't think I'm perfect enough to be Prince Charming. :-)
 
>Do men ever want to "sweep a girl off her feet"?  

If I'm really in love, of course.  But I almost always refrain from doing that
since "sweeping a girl off her feet" may scare her away.

>(Unrelated)  Doesn't anyone believe in love at first sight anymore?  This is
>supposed to be the *romance* group, and I was wondering.  Is there no passion
>left in the world anymore?

What's wrong with love after many sights?  Is there less passion with this kind
of love?  I think not.  
 
>All this talk about companionship seems kind of dull.  I'll take a rapid
>heartbeat any day!
>
>Okay, so I'm bored....

So am I.  I should be studying for my English Lit and Computer Science final.
Oh well.
 
-- 
John M. Wu                "And if a double decker bus, crashes into us
johnwu@netcom.com          to die by your side, is such a heavenly way to die"
jmw@ocf.berkeley.edu         - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: freeman@ais.org (John A. Resotko)
Subject: Re: Save Me!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:39:42 GMT

In article <0096505A.E137AF00@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>We all know women who have rescue fantasies (Prince Charming'll come along and
>take me away from all this, etc.), but do men ever have "rescuer" fantasies?
>
>Do men ever want to "sweep a girl off her feet"?  
>
As others have stated, the lustre of such fantasies can wear pretty thin,
pretty quickly. So, you rescue her.... then what?  To steal a line from the
film Pretty Woman:  "Then, she rescuse him right back!"  That's much
prefered to me!  I now tend to seek out a woman who will fight beside me
rather than cower behind me; it's much more exciting to meet a challenge
together, don't you think?  

>(Unrelated)  Doesn't anyone believe in love at first sight anymore?  This is
>supposed to be the *romance* group, and I was wondering.  Is there no passion
>left in the world anymore?
>
Of course! When was the last time you challenged your RP to a game of some
sort, or a contest, winner take all?  Sometimes passion needs a little help,
ya know!!!
>
>All this talk about companionship seems kind of dull.  I'll take a rapid
>heartbeat any day!
>Okay, so I'm bored....
>
>Cheryl

"Boredom is a terrrible and dangerous disease..." and it's going to get you
into trouble one of these days!  I don't suppose you fence, do you?  Care
for a bout, best of three matches, five touches to a match, winner take all?

Just curious...

-/John R.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: johnwu@netcom.com (John M. Wu)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Complete stangers/friends/now what???
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:00:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <92350.180138RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Here's a reason why I hate semester ends.  This gal and I were complete
>strangers.  Somehow, I worked my way up to talking to her, and over the
>past few weeks, we've sat next to each other, and we've become really
>good friends.  Now, the semester's over.  Do I ask to keep in touch or what?
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I assume you don't see this girl outside of class.  If you do see this girl
outside of class, you could keep in touch with relative ease.  If you don't
and she gives you her phone number, then what?   Well, if you can think of
something, then cool but I couldn't when I had this happen a couple of years
ago.  So I ended up asking the girl out in my situation two weeks before
finals. 

IMHO, it's carpe diem time.  Chances are you will be severely limited with
chances to talk to her in the future, so you should ask her out soon.  BUT, your
timing kinda stinks.  It's time for exams and going home for Christmas. 
So maybe right at the beginning of the next semester perhaps?
 
>Also, how can you find out if someone has a SO?  

You will answer this question when you ask her out to a date. :-)  

-- 
John M. Wu                "And if a double decker bus, crashes into us
johnwu@netcom.com          to die by your side, is such a heavenly way to die"
jmw@ocf.berkeley.edu         - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
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From: thom@cac.washington.edu (Thom Roholt)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Relationships and Friendships
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:44:17 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

In article <1992Dec12.192722.16084@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kchin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ken H Chin) writes:
>When you met your SO: 
>1. Were you seeking only friendship and were surprised by the 
>   subsequent development of romantic interests?

When I first saw my SO/RP it was from across the school dining hall, at
that point I knew I had to meet her and eventually I did.  I knew that I
was physically attracted to her but I had never really established a
founded friendship with a girl before and wanted to try it out.  So no I
was not surprised since this was my underlying motive.

>2. Were you seeking friendship knowing that there was the possibility
>   of mutual interest in a romantic relationship?

Definitely.

>3. Did you pursue a romantic relationship soon after meeting each other,
>   with the friendship developing later on?

No, we both held our romantic feelings back through the first two months of
the relationship and it wasn't until then that we set them free.

>How common are the different cases, and what are there advantages and
>disadvantages?  

Unless you want a shallow relationship with the one you are dating (for
say the first year or so) I think it is very important to have a
foundation in friendship before romance walks in (you could have a deep
relationship even with a relationship that was primarily physical,
although i believe it is much harder).  I know in my present relationship
that this is my best ever because of it.  I can tell you that I have not
felt more comfortable with another woman/girl than I do with my SO, and I
know she feels the same way.  Also, I am a jealous/insecure type and I
have not felt jealous/insecure yet in this relationship.  The reason for
this is because of our friendship.  It has enabled us to cut through the
bull that happens often in male/female relationships.  We don't hide
anything and almost always say whatever is on our mind (always when we see
a problem). 

Thom Roholt
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: I've just been "LJBF"ed
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 20:42:33 GMT
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Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

kjberte@cray.com (Kurt Bertelsen) writes:
> Do I return the christmas gift I already bought her?  Is it to petty?

Ask her if she wants them. Give them if she does, but don't force them on her
if she thinks it would be inappropriate to accept them. If she doesn't want
them, do what suits you best --- sell them, keep them for you, return them
for the money ...
  
> Why does it hurt soooo BAD?!  
You do not REALLY expect a sensible answer, do you?

Feel hugged and reassured!
-- 
   /\   | Martin P. Ibert, Westendallee 100 d, D-1000 Berlin 19, +4930-3056541
  / o\  | E-Mail: martini@{heaven7.{sub.org|in-berlin.de}|cs.tu-berlin.de} <<<
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   ||   | and a Happy New Year **** Hauskaa joulua ja onnelista uutta voutta !
From: jbartran@sciences.sdsu.edu (Jonathan Bartran)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: this a test
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:50:21 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: sciences.sdsu.edu
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From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: works for me
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:44:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>Say that thre's this gal I'd like to get to know better;  I'd like
>to sorta hint my intentions to her, but I'm not sure how

Offer to bite her on the nose and then sing your favorite aria.  If this
doesn't work, then she either has no nose or is deaf and you should
probably find someone else.

Gleeep
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 07:12:12 MST
From: <IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Fa La La

I've been sitting here trying to think of the best gift I've received
over the years and I'm drawing a blank.  Isn't that horrible?  No,
actually it's not horrible...now that I think about it.  I don't care
about the gifts I get I guess...they don't mean much to me.  Unfortunately
gifts are the tool by which we tell someone how much they mean to us in
this holiday season.  The thing I look most forward to is the feelings
that are expressed to each other.  AND SINCE YOU'RE ALL SUCH GREAT PEOPLE:

HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY, NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION YOU MAY BE, AND
ALWAYS KNOW THAT I WISH EACH OF YOU PEACE AND LOVE.

*mooshy*...I know, I know...can't help it...I'm such a mooshy person!

Michele (with one "l") in AZ
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:01:38 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Complete stangers/friends/now what???

Here's a reason why I hate semester ends.  This gal and I were complete
strangers.  Somehow, I worked my way up to talking to her, and over the
past few weeks, we've sat next to each other, and we've become really
good friends.  Now, the semester's over.  Do I ask to keep in touch or what?
Also, how can you find out if someone has a SO?  Personally, I think it's
a little rude to ask her if she has a boyfriend because if she does, that
will definitely affect the friendship that I've worked so hard to get.
 ANybody with these answers out there - I could use them!!!  Thanks!!!
 P.S.  I, too, have a problem with signs.  She always seems to turn her
head to the left over to me (where I'm sitting) and she'll always put her
hands through her hair at least 2-3 times during the class.  I don't want
to lose my friendship with her, but I've been dying to go out with her ---
to ask her out.  I'll only see her once more this year.  What do I do????
** Rob **
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor)
Subject: Re: Let's Make the World a More Loving Place
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:17:56 GMT

In article <jjj2+mn@rpi.edu> petitc@nuge113.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:

>  I mean, what's wrong with friendly hugs, and affectionate touching (not
>romantic, just between friends and so on).  We all like to be touched, since
>it is an expression of deepest fondness and affection.  So, why are we so
>afraid of it?  It seems that the only place where _any_ touching is permitted,
>especially for guys, is within the context of a romantic relationship.

As someone who has survived child sexual abuse and a rape, I can give
you one good reason:  Fear.
 
Within the confines of a romantic relationship, I love to be touched
and if it's from male friends that I know VERY well and am quite
comfortable with, it is welcomed. However, if it from someone that I
don't know very well or am not completely comfortable with, it is
most unwelcome.
--
              For flavor, instant sex will never supercede 
              the stuff you have to peel and cook. 
                                  -- Quentin Crisp
From: pa_ross@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Mr Rossy)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: I need advice...
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:09:29 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Dec11.212004.3568@mcs.kent.edu> dmcdowel@mcs.kent.edu writes:
>
>	First some background information, At another school, over two
>years ago, I met a young lady that I fell in love with from the start.
>

You know her better than anyone else and so you best know what she would want
to hear. I think that this problem is to deep for a news group like this but 
in solving it I wish you the best of British luck.

						 Paul
						=----=
From: hchen@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Hong Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Request for help on paper topic.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:49:22 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu

this is a test
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.romance.chat
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
Organization: The Cultural Elite
	<1992Dec12.213221.21571@wetware.com> <1goi0bINNcl7@rodan.UU.NET>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:22:58 GMT


[deleted: the usual stuff about doors, HeManlyMales, toasters, and other
in jokes (?)]

Are you people aware you're cross-posting this drivel?

If you are aware, why aren't you embarrassed?

---curious (but not very)
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: I've just been "LJBF"ed
From: s206001@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:20:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.130933.23542@walter.cray.com>, kjberte@cray.com (Kurt Bertelsen) writes:
> 
> I've just been "LJBF"ed.  I didn't even see it comming.  She
> wants to "try to work it out with her old boyfriend."  I was just 
> starting to think about what to do for our one year.  
	I'm sorry to hear it Kurt noone likes it and most people try not to do
it badly if they have to and some don't succeed and hurt the person they are
letting go (I hate 'dumping') even more.  But let's face it, if she wants to do
that atleast she was honest, even though it was bloody lousy timing.  I
empatise. 
> Do I return the christmas gift I already bought her?  Is it to petty?
	No it isn't petty it's natural.  You have to decide whether you'd still
like her to have it and whether she would actually take it.  I had a similar
thing and I had his birthday present packaged.  I decided to give it to him
anyway even though I never saw him again.  
> Why does it hurt soooo BAD?!  
	It just does we can't help it it shows the depth of your emotions and
the wealth in you as a person that you can feel.  No comforting words I know
but I sincerely wish you the best in the times ahead.  You'll cry, remember and
try to forget and hopefully one day the hurt lessens and you'll find that
you've survived it...it helps to talk and to have people there but then we all
deal differently with it.
Irene.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: forgiveness
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:16:26 GMT

In <00964F9F.13855D20@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:

>In article <7915@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, doughe@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Douglas E Helbling) writes:
>>In article <aland.723998763@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> aland@cs.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>adwright@iastate.edu () writes:
>>>
>>	have a right to expect fidelity.  Infidelity, no matter
>>	how blatant or discreet, is a form of emotional abuse, and

>Does anyone else think this sounds a little harsh?  We, as humans, are
>fallible, we make mistakes... I don't think "abuse" really applies, unless this
>is some sort of pattern in the relationship.

Infidelity is not abuse? Has it ever happened to you? Were you ever cheated
on by someone who was everything to you? Depression, mood swings, weight 
loss, lonliness, inability to concentrate at work. Anybody out there
that can relate to that? No, my friend, infidelity can destroy, it can
be one of the worst forms of abuse. I would rather have both arms broken,
the healing process would be far quicker.

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
Subject: Re: Let's Make the World a More Loving Place
Organization: The Dolphin Conspiracy, Phase II
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:30:23 GMT

In article <=7k2d#c@rpi.edu> petitc@nuge101.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:
>>To make the world a more loving place, I think we could make greater strides
>>by treating all people with respect and dignity.
>
>  Oh please.  That's the LAST thing we need---all people treating each other
>like islands.  Remember the middle ages?  Bearbaiting?  That was 'cuz the
>parents felt it was wroung to touch the kids.  And that seems to be what
>you're saying---the way to make the world more loving is to touch nobody, ever.

Oh please. Just WHERE did I imply that treating people with respect and 
dignity was treating them like an island? Also, where did I ever say that 
one shouldn't touch anyone ever?

I'd also like to see the logic linking bear baiting to the feeling that it was
wrong to touch the kids.

The world is not a loving place. I don't that that forcing unwanted gestures
on people is going to change that. Nor do I feel that dignity and respect is
the opposite of a warm personal relationship.
-- 
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Marcia Bednarcyk                                  ADDRESSES: marcia@netcom.com
"Sweaty Snugglebunnies."                                     mlb@cisco.com
From: v092kdab@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (susan)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Young Russion man want meet young Amarican girl
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec9.211037.19968@kpc.com>, dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston) writes...
>In article <AASvs8hS58@fst.msk.su> stolm@fst.msk.su writes:
>>The nice young Russion man want meet young Amarican girl 18 age
>>with blue eyes and beautiful bust. Please, send your answer for
>>Vladimir on E-mail.
>>
>C'mon Vladimir, You've got to do better than that! Make 'em WANT to meet
>you! Who are you, What do you like to do. (Not a flame, but I know that
>most Soviets (Russians, Ukranians, Byelorussians, Tashkents...etc) are
>more sophisticated that that) Use your Imaginatin
Yes, vladimir, all you seem to care about are her looks, tell us something about 
yourself, or would that be putting yourself too much on the line.  Before I 
respond I want to know what you look like.  Women shouldn't be the only ones 
judged based on attractiveness in our society. Plus we care about other 
aspects of your life what is your personality and daily life like, tell us 
something about yourself.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: jrc2k@Virginia.EDU ("Roxie Conley")
Subject: Re: Complete stangers/friends/now what???
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:54:04 GMT

Robbie Po  writes:
> Here's a reason why I hate semester ends.  This gal and I were complete
> strangers.  Somehow, I worked my way up to talking to her, and over the
> past few weeks, we've sat next to each other, and we've become really
> good friends.  Now, the semester's over.  Do I ask to keep in touch or what?

	Hey, I know just how you feel... there's this guy in
one of my classes who I sort of knew at the beginning of the
semester and now we're really good friends.  One of my
roommates is dating one of his roommates, thanks to our (well,
mostly his) Cupid-skills, so we're over there sometimes, we
helped them decorate their X-mas tree, and we went over to
study a couple of nights ago.  I really really like him but I
don't think he knows, and now I'm not going to see him for a
month!  AAAAARGH!
	BUT!  He's driving me to the bus station after my last
exam so I can go home, since everybody I might get a ride with
is leaving before I can.  And we're having dinner together.
Good possibilities there.
	I have to go take an exam now, but I just had to say
something.  Good to know I'm not the only one.

	good luck with yours,
           Roxie
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Roxie Conley
jrc2k@Virginia.EDU
------
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: st921751n@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: fore-play?
Reply-To: st921751n@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:52:08 GMT

This may sound a litle corney, but a great way to seduce someone is to get into a pillow fight.  This is fun, works up a sweat, gets the adrenalin flowing,
and gets one of you on top.