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From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap)
Subject: Was Re: The problem with India (Mosque incident)
Summary: voting rights in Pakistan 
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.031725.88582@watson.ibm.com> saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:

>Not true.  Non-Muslims vote.  There are non-Muslim members of the National
>Assembly, and in fact, there is traditionally a cabinet post given to a
>Christian.  I'm not saying this is good or bad.  Just making the observation.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

It is true that non-Muslims do vote in Pakistan. However, its hardly
a "fair" vote since they are only allowed to vote for the candidates
competing for the particular minority seat allotted to that community.
The government does reserve seats in the assembly for all the major 
minorities (sounds like a contradiction there) - i.e. Christian, Parsi,
 Hindu... but a non-Muslim Pakistani is clearly not being offered the
same electoral rights as his/her Muslim counterpart.
And, most higher level Army jobs, Civil service and judicial positions
are restricted to Muslims only. 

Not commenting on the "goodness" or "badness" either, just correcting
Saeed's observation :)

Preeti

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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: who're you calling an american? :) (was Re: Thanksgiving)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:38:22 GMT

In article <1fodu7INN3mr@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (Purna Murthy) writes:
>
>true.  i also consider myself as much an american as indian.  of course,
>there are two ways to look at it, though.  would you say that you have
>"indian" thoughts and "american" thoughts mixed together?  or would
>you say that "indian" and "american" are two ends of a spectrum of
>which you are somewhere in between?
>
>i think there is a subtle difference mainly in that the first way
>(mixing) does not NECESSARILY view indian and american idealogies
>as conflicting.  just some random thoughts.....
>

Interesting. Here is a another notion. To have truely "american" thoughts,
do you have to be accepted as an "american" first? Case in point, Since
Indians have a look that is not European, which says that Indians, or
Chinese, or Japanese, etc., will probably never fit the mold of an
"american" (at least in the near future), will we truely blend as did 
the other immigrants of the past (mostly europeans)? I think Indians will
come to identify as americans, but in their heart of hearts, they will 
still be Indians, because the rest of America will still see Indian, not
"American".  Just a thought.

Rakesh Patel

P.S. - From the sounds of it, this newsgroups sounds like it's for
       Indians born or raised in the US. I hope so. That other group,
       soc.culture.indian is a synonym for soc.culture.iit.grads.

       Now don't you IIT grads get riled up. :)
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Sri Lankan Sculpture Exhibit @ Smithsonian
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:06:09 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

The Arthur Sackler Gallery (Asian Art Mus) of the Smithsonian 
in DC has a Sri Lankan Sculpture Exhibit. The exhibit started
recently, and I'm not sure how long it will run for.

I went to the exhibit recently, and although relatively small 
(50 some pieces), it was quite impressive (not that I'm any
kind of art critic). The pieces were almost exclusively 
religious in nature, with the bulk of them being Buddhist,
which is a reflection of the 70% Buddhist population (something
that I didn't know). There were also a number of Hindu pieces.

For those of you who have not been to the Sackler gallery, it 
also has a number of other South Asian exhibits, both rotating
and permanent. There's a Mughal painting exhibit, which probably
won't be around much longer (it also had my thumbs up, BTW),
and the permanent collection of mostly stone sculptures.

The Sackler Gallery is part of the Smithsonian Museum, on the 
Mall, right next to the original castle. Its also FREE, which 
is an extra carrot for those of you living close by.

Ron

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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Marriages are made in heaven (and in america, and in india).
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:42:25 GMT

In article <VAGARWAL.92Dec18151316@dis9002.shearson.com> vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com writes:
>
>
>IA Female find it hard to adjust to II Male partner thinking of them as inferior
>to them which no female likes.

Give'em hell, Virendra. I suspect your are about to be flamed. :)



Rakesh Patel
>
>
>
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>vagarwal@shearson.com
>212-464-2151
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From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: Sri Lankan Sculpture Exhibit @ Smithsonian
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:17:46 GMT

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>The Arthur Sackler Gallery (Asian Art Mus) of the Smithsonian 
>in DC has a Sri Lankan Sculpture Exhibit. The exhibit started
>recently, and I'm not sure how long it will run for.

The Mughal exhibit was also very good, imho. A collection of Mughal
miniatures and one rather nice carved marble slab in the style of
the Taj. One section of the Mughal miniatures was a collection 
of emperors' portraits, and an interesting feature they pointed 
out was the change in their appearances through the ages. Babur
and Humayun looked straight from the steppes with their Central
Asian features, but by the time we got to Akbar and Jehangir the
faces were more north Indian/Persian. The Sackler is good, but
small. 

Susan.

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From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: religion and violence (was Re: Hindu-Muslim violence)
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:55:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In <7496@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.191019.26210@cirrus.com>, venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
>|> From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)

>[Religious Fervor jazz deleted]

hmmmm.

>|> hmmmm. i suppose i agree with you there. in that, when people get caught up
>|> in the fervor of their beliefs (or lack of), and try to force people to
>|> follow them, something is seriously wrong. probably that is what (to some
>|> extent) makes the pc movement (and liberalism) an anachronism <flame-bait>. 

>Ok, you've got a catch. In what ways is 'liberalism' anachronistic?
>Is anachronistic the word you want to use there?

remind me to use my webster next time round. you are right, ron...i didn't
mean anachronism, i meant a contradiction in terms, a paradox. but i guess
that is flame-bait too.

v "slinking away after using an inappropriate word" n
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: So why not just say "hi?"
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:55:09 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Dec10.170752.9953@news2.cis.umn.edu>, shiv@htlv.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad) writes:
|> From: shiv@htlv.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad)
|> Subject: Re: So why not just say "hi?"
|> Date: 10 Dec 92 17:07:52 GMT
|> 
|> In article <BHATTACH.92Dec9133629@tazboy.jpl.nasa.gov> bhattach@tazboy.jpl.nasa.gov (Bidushi Bhattacharya) writes:
|> >
|> >I was just walking back from lunch and passed yet another II/IA who avoided eye contact
|> >and didn't say "hi."  Is it my imagination, or do some Indian people develop an intense
|> >interest in the nearest sidewalk/wall when another Indian passes?
|> >Bidushi
|> >:-)

I've noticed this quite often also. 

[Stuff by Shiv deleted]
|> 	3.  They need to look down to determine where the next foot will be
|> 	    placed to ensure a graceful gait.  Now was that right, left, right;
|> 	    or right, left, left?

Maybe they learn this from walking the streets of Bombay, where one 
has all kinds of obstacles to avoid like: uncovered utility work,
ditches, feces, etc. :-)

Ron
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From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Subject: Re: The problem with India (Mosque incident)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:17:25 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


This is not to attack Purna's criticism of Muslim-based governments or to
defend the governments of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.  Simply a correction. 
Purna writes:

 > in pakistan, non-muslims are not allowed to vote in national elections or
 > even hold office!

Not true.  Non-Muslims vote.  There are non-Muslim members of the National
Assembly, and in fact, there is traditionally a cabinet post given to a
Christian.  I'm not saying this is good or bad.  Just making the observation.

An example of how non-Muslims may actually have something to do with the
Pakistani government is the recent furor over identity cards in Pakistan.  The
religious right of Pakistan (Jamaat-i-Islaami: a party recently banned in
India along with the BJP, VHP, etc.) wanted national identity cards to reflect
the person's religious affiliation.  This law almost passed, but was finally
struck down because of effective lobbying by the Christian minority and their
representatives in the government.

Some personal opinions on this subject:

	a) Pakistan and other ``Islamic'' countries do not respect the
	religious minorities within their borders enough as the Qu'ran
	would have them.  In many cases, they actually repress their religious
	minorities.

	b) The Indian government in some ways may actually give too much to
	the sizable Muslim minority. Of course, I do sympathize with the
	Indian Muslims, however, having a separate legal system because of a
	different religion seems outrageous in a country trying to be secular.
	Affirmative action can only be taken so far.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
--saeed jaffer        		The word cope and the word change
saeed@watson.ibm.com  		are directly opposite and not the same
saeed@athena.mit.edu  					--Speech
----------------------------------------------------------------------					
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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: who're you calling an american? :) (was Re: Thanksgiving)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:41:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.151655.14794@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.173822.15035@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>> 
>> P.S. - From the sounds of it, this newsgroups sounds like it's for
>>        Indians born or raised in the US. I hope so. That other group,
>>        soc.culture.indian is a synonym for soc.culture.iit.grads.
>> 
>
>No this group is for all people of asian-indian origin, not just those
>people of indian origin who were born or raised in US. Don't pump up
>your ego.

Don't get riled up, Alok. Its just a simple question. :)
 
 
>BTW, that other group. soc.culture.indian, IMHO, should be renamed to
>soc.culture.indian.politics :)

Is Vijay Fafat listen to this. :)

Rakesh Patel
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: So why not just say "hi?"
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:02:24 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <Dec.10.13.51.52.1992.27328@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Sanjay B Shah) writes:
|> From: sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Sanjay B Shah)
|> Subject: Re: So why not just say "hi?"

|> 		If I were walking down some street and passed another
|> 	person who happened to be the same race as I was, I would not
|> 	make it a point to say "hi" to him/her (unless, of course, I
|> 	knew the individual - obviously, this would not depend on whether
|> 	he was an Indian or of some other race).  I think the reason why
|> 	this is done is because the person might have only recently arrived
|> 	in this country (I should say any country, since probably this is
|> 	seen not only in the US) and feels alone and disoriented.  Thus, the
|> 	sight of another person of the same race comforts him.  Once people
|> 	of Indian descent become increasingly common, the novelty of seeing
|> 	another Indian outside of a traditional Indian/Asian environment
|> 	will wear off.

Actually my folks say that when they first came to the states in the 
late 60s, that any Indian that they saw on the streets (in NYC) would
strike up a conversation. Nowadays, there are so many Indians here, that
there's less of a novelty, and unless you're from the same tribe, why
bother.

|> 		In your case, I would like to find out why would not say
|> 	"hi" to everyone you happen to pass by.  If you feel uneasy (perhaps)
|> 	passing someone of your own race, I would think that a simple nod
|> 	or glance at him/her would suffice, rather than a very forthright
|> 	"hi".  In my case, I would think it strange if an Indian, or an
|> 	American, or an African (or anybody else) were to suddenly say "hi"
|> 	to me as they walked by [psychologically, I would say this has
|> 	something to do with violating a person's individual 'space'].
|> 	This might result in my looking down at the pavement, etc. etc.

Interestingly enough, I get nods and hellos much more often from
african americans than indians. The AfrA community seems to have a 
stronger bond in that respect. 

Ron
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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Moosik
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:47:35 GMT

In article <1fopgfINN9vg@agate.berkeley.edu> user@machine.domain writes:
>Hello,
>
>I have noticed that a lot of IA's tend to be into the "hip" kind of music
>like rap or modern rock whereas II's tend to like classic rock.  I wonder
>why that is...

Sign 'o the times, praveen. I seriously can't identify with a 50 year old
Keith Richards. Don't get wrong, Stones were good, way past their prime.
They are hanging around because of all the baby-boomers. That's the good
thing about rock, it always changing. Every generation has to have 
a voice and all that stuff, right. I think Emerson said it better. :)


Rakesh Patel
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: The problem with India (Mosque incident)
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:05:37 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Dec14.160619.18341@athena.mit.edu>, tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh) writes:
|> From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh)
|> Subject: Re: The problem with India (Mosque incident)
[Stuff deleted about US history]

|> 
|>  All your examples above are prejudice by a group, and not constitutionally

By the group in power who have the opportunity to interpret that 
constitution you speak so highly of.

|>  sponsored/supported. But for the US constitution, the slavery would have 
|>  continued, religions torn apart, civil wars fought endlessly. Such events
|>  go against the fundamental spirit of the bill of rights. And life and 
|>  civility in US have evolved accordingly. No, US history isn't perfect.
|>  But, there is a lot to look up to and learn from. And that, IMO, is what
|>  is needed globally. 

What, it took almost 100 years to realize that slavery was unconstitutional?
The US Constitution was written in part by Jefferson who owned slaves 
himself. If this constitution was so resoundingly against slavery, why
did Lincoln feel compelled to write the Emancipation Proclamation which
freed slaves *only* in seceding states. Why could the 3/5ths act pass,
.... I could go on and on...
The US Constitution was *not* the reason for the nominal abolishment
of slavery.

Ron
No, I'm not going to rob you.
No, I'm not going to beat you.
No, I'm not going to rape you. ...
And I'll try not to hate you.
-Living Colour


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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: religion and violence (was Re: Hindu-Muslim violence)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.220947.27453@athena.mit.edu>, tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:
> 
>  I also argue and support safeguards against any form of "forced absolutism."
>  Neither should god be forced down any one's throat/mind; nor should atheism
>  be forced down any one's throat/mind. Each individual should be left to
>  himself/herself to choose and decide, and enjoy consequences of their
>  choice/decision.

I agree. Those who want to believe in God and a religious faith, let them,
as long as they do not violate somebody else's fundamental rights. Likewise
if somebody does not believe in God (therby is an atheist), it should
be accepted as that person's prerogative. Let God not be imposed. It is
against the will of the God. Faith can not be imposed but acquired by
experience only. Belief in God is a very subjective thing.

Alok
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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: anybody seen The Phantom .....
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:27:02 GMT


'alo folks

     anybody seen "The Phantom of the Opera" ???? I have seen a couple of
movies, heard the music ( been driving my apartment mates up the wall since i
bought the CD last night .... 6 years had to wait for it .... but worth it ).
I would love to see it ... but its booked till the time of Picard and Troi :)

how about a review from someone who's seen it?? anyone seen any other "rock
operas"?? ( Tommy, JCS, etc etc )


wishing i was back in the hustle and bustle of classes .... not!!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: test
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:16:41 GMT



Just testing some stuff I wrote for Emacs ...

"am i buggin' ya
dont mean ta bug ya ....... "

                      -person ___________
                       group ________________
                       song "____________________________"
                       album __________________________________
                       

anybody can fill in the blanks??? 
 

:)


just a little fun over the hols ... now that my finals are over !!!!






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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: North-East ACUAI party
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:16:42 GMT

I promised to respond to you by Dec 15. Sorry for being a little late.
Yes, I can host a NE ACUAI get-together during the week between
Dec 25 and Jan 2. It seems at this time that Dec 31- Jan 2 will be a good
time for me to host this get-together.  It seems Preeti and Mehul are 
hosting it around Christmas. It will be difficult for me to host it
on Christmas anyway as my wife just arrived this weekend and she needs
some time to get adjusted to the new country, place etc. 

I asked her if she would be willing to have such a party at home. From
her perspective Dec 31- Jan 2 is better. So folks, let me know via email
if you plan to come to such a get together in New Jersey. When you send
me email, I will send you address, phone number, directions etc.

I may also be able to meet some of you otherwise during this week. If you
would like to do that, send me email and we will plan from there.

Alok
(alok@cbnewsi.att.com or att!hugo!alok)



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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: ...................
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:39:55 GMT



In case anyone out there is interested .... India got creamed in the One day
series in South Africa ... they are 4 - 1 in a best of seven series. first 2
tests were both drawn.


Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: religion and violence (was Re: Hindu-Muslim violence)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:56:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.015517.2573@cirrus.com> venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
>remind me to use my webster next time round. you are right, ron...i didn't
>mean anachronism, i meant a contradiction in terms, a paradox. but i guess
>that is flame-bait too.

Hmmm. Interesting. So what is it that you find in the concept of
liberalism that is paradoxical? Is it the behavior of some who profess
to be liberals that you find paradoxical, or are you making a more
universal claim about liberalism in general? Just wondering?

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
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