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From: miki@cs.utexas.edu (Miki Anzai)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Is there NAS for Macs?
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:11:53 GMT
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX

Does anyone know of a NAS version of a computer Bible for the
Macintosh computers?  I've been looking for one with no luck
so far.

Thanxs,
	Miki

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                        Ye Soldier of the Cross!!!
From: g91a2724@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GJ ANDREWS)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Door-to-Door evang..
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:35:20 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In article <Nov.8.00.47.04.1992.8483@geneva.rutgers.edu> bm90ash@brunel.ac.uk (Adrian S Harvey) writes:

>I was just wondering if there was anybody out there with door-to-door 
>experiencethat they would like to share.

Try: "I'm not here to convert you just to be your friend if you'd like 
someone to talk to." When people see an evangelist at the door it is more 
likely to scare them off, but since showing love is what it is all about try 
doing *just* that. Of course this idea comes from a specific form of door-to-
door ministry - city-mission. So it may not be relevant.
From: REXLEX@linac.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Door-to-Door evang..
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:52:49 GMT
Organization: FNAL

Well this might raise a few eyebrows, but I've learnt to take the sting out of
door-to-door witnessing and at the same time , provide myself with valuable
info on the community that I'm working with.

Though it has been a while, in my door-to-door evangelism, I sit down and draw
up a questionaire.  It should be well thought out and allowed to evolve and be
refined.  I've always mixed the questionaire between political & religion &
philosophy.  One question should have a confinement of answers that lead to
another question that eventually leads you to the topic of heaven/hell/Christ. 


FFrom these answers I was always able to tell if further conversation was
welcomed or if it would only be seen as pushy.  One must always be tactful when
going d-t-d.  

Have fun, because doing a questionaire is much easier than just having them
open the door and you blurting out "Have your accepted X as Saviour?"

Rex
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Junior High Fellowhip and Games References Needed
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:42:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

My wife and I recently agreed to take over the leadership of our struggling
youth ministries porgram.  We are members of a small church (PCUSA), with
about 70 members.  There are presently only four junior and senior highers
in the group.  That background information aside, does anyone have a really
good reference for games and fellowship ideas for a small group of youths?
Most reference books that I have seen have lots of ideas that are more 
appropriate to larger gatherings.  Thanks in advance!

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Calvin's eucharistic theology
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:03:10 GMT
Organization: none

In article <Nov.6.01.21.39.1992.5194@geneva.rutgers.edu> allan@sunk.hc.ti.com (Allan Poindexter) writes:

	  If you want to read up on this, I suggest you read the appropriate
	  articles in the old Catholic Encyclopedia.

   ARRRRGH!  That !@#$%^& 1917(?) edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia. :-)
   Do you know hard it is for someone (especially a nonRC) to find one of
   those things?  I'm still looking for one to read the article on
   predestination you recommended a few months back.  If I ever find one I
   going to have to buy the bloody thing and never let it out of my sight.
   All the libraries seem to have moved to the newer edition.  I've never
   had this much trouble finding a book.

If you REALLY want the predestination info, I can photocopy it and
mail it to you.

I've been working for a while now on getting the CE into machine
readable format, with a view towards a CDROM version eventually.  At
some point, there will be a mail archive server for querying what's
already been OCR'd.  Don't hold your breath on any of this; it's a big
job, and I have limited free time.

I would bet money that Loome's has sets of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
Also, I have a friend in the Catholic used book business who had a set
a couple months ago; he probably still does.
From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Need Christian Jokes...
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:06:29 GMT
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh


  Hi all.  I serve on the council of Baptist Campus Ministries at N.C. State,
and I am in need of Christian jokes to put on the announcement sheets
that I type up for our group every Monday night.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated!  thanks!

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Russell J. Soots - North Carolina State University - happy@catt.ncsu.edu
Science Education/Microbiology/Genetics - Graduation Date:  May 8, 1993..yeah!!
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From: c60b-1hy@web-1g.berkeley.edu (Albert Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Need Christian Jokes...
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:15:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

Well, I don't know of any Christian jokes.  What do you mean by that anyways?
But a suggestion would be to look into albums that Mark Lowry has.
He's a Christian comedian and has tapes/CDs with some of his routines and
probably funny music.  Mike Warnke also is a comedian.  But there is some 
controversy surrounding him.  Try those out.

Albert Wu
UC Berkeley
c60b-1hy@web.berkeley.edu
From: shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Door-to-Door evang..
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:06:22 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <Nov.8.00.47.04.1992.8483@geneva.rutgers.edu> bm90ash@brunel.ac.uk (Adrian S Harvey) writes:
>I was just wondering if there was anybody out there with door-to-door experiencethat they would like to share.
>
>Any good tips etc.. for breaking the nerves
>or even some good first lines for breaking the conversation open.
>
>Thanks in advance.......

First:
  You've got to realize that door-to-door evangelism is _in_general_
not very effective.  The number of people who will respond positively
to the gospel from a complete stranger is small, and the number who will 
follow that response with involvement with a church, Bible study or
other discipling group is smaller still.  People respond more often to
people they _know_ care about them, rather than those they think are
just  "getting another notch in the ol' Bible".

Consider your own reaction to visits by unsolicited missionaries
(JW's, Mormons, etc.)...

That having been said, here's a few suggestions:
  + be _sure_ you are going into this with the direction and
    empowering of the Holy Spirit.  If the Spirit isn't in the
    witnessing, NO strategy or scripting will help.  If the Spirit
    is empowering you, He will supply the words to say.  Avoid
    formulas ("If you died tonight..") and seek to speak the Word
    in love.  Obviously, go praying continuously.
  + try to have an event that you can invite them to, for example a nice 
    Christmas program/concert, an interesting speaker, a youth event
    (for families with children) etc.  If they attend, you can follow-up 
    to see what they thought.
  + respect signs: "no soliciting", "day sleeper", "baby sleeping",
    "do not disturb". Avoid visiting at mealtimes.
  + try a multi-visit strategy, where the first visit is basically
    introducing yourself, the second is introducing the gospel, the
    third following up with them.  
  + get the names of new arrivals in the community (some communities
    have chamber of commerce or postal authorities that will provide this
    information) and bring them materials that will help
    them settle in (lists of good stores, local restaurants, points
    of interest, etc.).  The goal is to first build a real friendship,
    and to pray that God will use that friendship to draw them to
    himself.  NOTE: this is _not_ a suggestion to go under false
    pretenses.  If you're not prepared to continue the friendship
    whether or not a conversion ensues, then you're going as a phony
    and they will rapidly detect your hypocracy.
    NOTE-2: This takes TIME if you do it right -- be sure you are ready
    for that level of commitment.
					Tim
-- 
Tim Shimeall ((408) 646-2509)
The proper response to detecting a bug isn't to fix the bug - it's to make 
sure you'll never have to worry about that bug again.  --- Richard Hamming
From: ba2cs252@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leonidas Hepis)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: British Israelites
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:06:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Nov.5.02.23.41.1992.2980@geneva.rutgers.edu> ggrieve@cbnewsi.att.com writes:

>	This is what the British Israelites teach today. Herbert W. Armstrong
>("Plain Truth Magazine") is probably the best known organization, but it is
>based on a long tradition and there are other exponents.

>	Briefly, the northern kingdom of Israel was dispersed in ~700BC and
>went on to populate Europe. 

Greig,

was Armstrong implying that there had been no humans in Europe before 700 BC?
If I recall well from the time I read some PT issues, he was suggesting
that all nations in the world came from the Middle East.  Although researchers
believe all modern humans evolved from ancestors in Africa, the genetic 
differences of the different human races imply a much greater time span 
than the one which Armstrong suggested.

>Greig Grieve

-leo
From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Why is not everyone like Jesus? (was: Re: Free Will and Evil)
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:22:47 GMT
Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no
Organization: delab

In article <Nov.3.01.52.35.1992.27563@athos.rutgers.edu>
MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>In article <Nov.1.00.29.31.1992.22494@geneva.rutgers.edu>, jte@psi.com (John
>Eldredge) says:

> [ ... ]

>>
>>Correct.  Jesus Christ has totally free will, was in fact tempted, but without
>>sin.  Because God, by His very nature/character, cannot sin.

>This is what I wonder about. If this true, why not make us all like
>this? You seem to think it's possible for someone to have free will
>and always choose good, because of their nature. Why isn't everyone
>like this?

Jesus is the son of God. Therefore He does not have the sinful nature
we have. We are only human, He was human _and_ God at the same time.
That is why He could live on this earth for some 30 years without sin.

Everyone is not like this because everyone else have the sinful nature
of Adam. I should really want to be like this, but I know that I am
going to sin. Not the big sins like theft or murder, but any little
sin is just one to much.

I have a free will, and I want to be like Jesus. He set a perfect
example. If somebody uses their free will to chose to be like somebody
else, it is their right to do so.

> [ ... ]

In Him,

Bj{\o}rn
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From: jgj@travis.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Santeria and animal-sacrifice
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:09:51 GMT
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.

> The problem is that a law banning killing only in religious ceremonies
> is almost certainly unconstitutional.

I can only hope that the Supreme Court justices see it that way.  So
far no other judge has as the law has been upheld in several lower
courts.


> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

As the local paper explained it, recent court rulings make a
distinction between religious beliefs and religious practices.  "Free
exercise thereof" appears only to apply to freedom to hold certain
beliefs.  Once this is firmly established, it is only a matter of time
before circumcision, communion, baptism, making your kids go to
church, etc.  can also be banned.

Religious freedom in this country (USA) is almost a historical footnote.

============================================================================
Jeffrey Glen Jackson  _|_Satan jeered, "You're dead meat Jesus, I'm gonna
jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com |     bust you up tonight."
x5120                  | Jesus said, "Go ahead, make my day."
                   ~~~~~~~~~ -- Carman, "The Champion"
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Am I the only person that thinks Perot looks like a Ferengi?

[So far the only Supreme Court cases I've heard of say that religious
practices may be interfered with when there's a law with a secular
purpose that just happens to affect the religious practice.  E.g.
anti-drug legislation which interferes with American Indian religious
practices.  I've not heard of the Supreme Court sustaining any law
whose purpose is specifically to ban a religious practice.  That
doesn't mean no such decision could happen -- I've given up predicting
what courts will do -- but as far as I know, no such decision has
happened so far.  It sounds like this case will give them a chance
to decide.  --clh]
From: mberhan@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Messiah Soon?
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:45:34 GMT

bjr@expert.cc.purdue.edu writes:

> The biggest source of my faith comes from the reported messages that our
> Blessed Virgin Mother Mary has been giving to people around the world.

The "woman clothed with the sun" is appearing all around the world.  I 
have read numerous messages reportedly given by Jesus and Mary.  One of 
the more intriguing visionaries is Christina Gallagher of Ireland.  I 
thought this information would interest you and perhaps a few who follow 
this newsgroup.

Jesus tells Mrs. Gallagher:

"My little one.... tell all humanity to prepare themselves:  the time has 
come for the cleansing of all humanity.  A great darkness will come upon 
the world.  The heavens will shake.  The only light will come through the 
Son of God and Man..... My hand will come over the world more swiftly 
than the wind.  Be not afraid..... always unite yourself with Me, your 
Lord and Redeemer.  I am your shield..... Yes, you are nothing, but the 
work you permit Me to do through you is beyond your comprehending..... 
the battle between light and darkness is great.... I thirst for souls who 
will abandon themselves to Me... the demons rage upon the earth.. they 
are loosed from their pit.  Tell all humanity of the Seven Seals of 
God.... Seek only the Kingdom of God...."

Another interesting thing is something Jesus told Mrs. Gallagher.  Mrs. 
Gallagher says:

"There will come a sign, which everyone in the world, in an interior way, 
will experience - and it is not very far away.  Everyone will experience 
an inner awareness and they will know that this is from God, and they 
will see themselves as they really are in the sight of God.  It is up to 
each of us to help as many people as we can by our prayers, so that when 
this supernatural sign comes, they will change, and will be able to 
respond to that sign and be saved for God."

Other visionaries from around the world also speak of seeing one's sins 
through the eyes of the soul.  And the Blessed Virgin Mary says:

"My child, there are many of my children, sons and daughters in religious 
life, who serve in the name of God, but the true Spirit of God is not in 
them.  They only serve God in mockery.  It wounds my heart to see this.  
The power of darkness overshadows my Church and the world.  There are 
many of my children being lost, some forever.  There are many who have 
made themselves slaves to darkness, through money and the pleasure of the 
world.  I love all my children.  Many of them wound my heart.  My love is 
everlasting in the Spirit of God.  My child, the Purification will come.  
Those who have served God in His Light need not fear.  Those of my 
children who will be lost forever cause me great pain.  My Son's wounds 
bleed profusely.  My child, pray and make more sacrifice to My Son's 
Heart.  Console my Son in love.  Many of my children have become one in 
darkness...."

Mike Berhan
mberhan@cup.portal.com
From: REXLEX@linac.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Need Christian Jokes...
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:36:01 GMT
Organization: FNAL

When inquiring an old farmer how he got such large cauliflower ears, he
replied, "When God was handing things out, I thought He said beers, so I asked
for two large ones!"
From: hamilton@hydra.cs.gmr.com (William E. Hamilton CS50 CS/50)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Are ye able
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:44:51 GMT
Reply-To: rphroy!hydra!hamilton@uunet.uu.net (William E. Hamilton CS50 CS/50)
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

In article <Nov.3.02.16.51.1992.2321@athos.rutgers.edu> jmoon@cco.caltech.edu (Jong H. Moon) writes:
>Can anyone post the lyrics of the hymn "Are ye able"?  I am fully trashed right
>now and can't remember them....

(This is as much as I remember)

Are ye able said the Master
To be crucified with Me?

Yea the sturdy dreamers answered,
to the death we follow Thee

(refrain)
Lord we are able
Our spirits are Thine

Remold them, make us
like Thee divine

Thy guiding radiance
above us shall be

A beacon to God,
to love and loyalty

Anyone remember any verses after the first?

Bill Hamilton
GM Research Labs
(formerly GM Research and Environment Staff
  (formerly GM Research Labs))

The more things change the more they stay the same
From: christian@geneva.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: end of discussion: ECSTACY, Santeria
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:26:37 GMT

I'm starting to get lots of duplicate postings about ECSTACY and the
constitutionality of Santeria.  There may still be interesting
side-discussions from Santeria, but I think by now everyone
understands the danger of prohibiting unpopular religious practices.
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Power
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:46:22 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <Nov.8.00.47.22.1992.8493@geneva.rutgers.edu> dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>     I think that such things would change if Christians are in power - this
>benevolent type of leadership would create positive things.  The problems

What makes you think such leadership would be benevolent ?  Now I admit
I'm an old fashioned European welfare-state socialist (as well as
being a Christian) but the rhetoric of the american religeous right
(as so ably demonstrated at the Republican Convention) makes my blood
run cold, as did an awful lot of what was posted about politics in
this group during your election campaign.

As a practical point - who is going to decide who are "christians" and
therefore allowed to hold office, and on what basis ?

Perhaps anyone who thinks this is a good idea should read "The
Handmaid's Tale".  I read it while the radical right were in full
stream, and suddenly it didn't sound so unlikely after all.

Hope this (non-US) view is of interest to some.

Alison 

[As far as I can see (and I looked back at the original posting),
he was not suggesting that only Christians be allowed to hold
office, but simply that there are some good things that Christians
who do hold office could do.  Even that was qualified somewhat.

While there may be some people who want a complete takeover
by the religious right, a lot of the discussion here should not
be taken that way.  Rather, many of us are trying to decide what
the limits should be.  I think one can believe things have gone
too far in the other direction, and that something should change,
without wanting to establish a right-wing Christian dictatorship.

--clh]
From: twiggs_te@alice.lrc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: ECSTACY
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:48:43 GMT
Reply-To: twiggs_te@mike.lrc.edu
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

Hello out there!

My name is Todd.  I wanted to discuss with you an experience I have had
recently.  I *think* it has a lot to do with this newsgroup.

Please don't close me out before you read this entire thing.  I know you
won't approve of it, but I want you to know about this experience.

I recently tried the drug 'ecstacy' (xtc) in a club with a few of my friends.
I don't know why I did it....I just wanted to see what the craze was about.

It was nothing like I expected an illegal drug to be.  I mean, I am on the 
Advisory Committee at my church (a Lutheran church), and have always thought
that drugs were scary, evil substances.  But I was shocked as to how 
spiritually enhancing this substance is.

I swallowed the pill nervously, and waited.  The club I was in was an 
alternative music dance club (a 'rave' club), and a large majority of the 
people who go there use ecstacy.

The feeling began to set in about 1 hour later.  I began feeling extremely
euphoric.  After a while, I was feeling very intense.  I felt like I loved
everyone in the building.  I mean, I love Everyone through my faith in Christ,
but this was different.  I REALLY loved everyone with EVERY ounce of my heart.
I stopped and hugged almost everyone I passed!  And the thing is, since they
were on it as well, they hugged me back!  It was like it broke down all
barriers to race, creed, color, and social status.  It was like a perfect,
spiritual community within four walls.  Everything was just so perfect.  The 
sounds, the sights, the touches...all were just so incredibly good.

I have thought about how I should regret having to alter myself to feel this
way, but I don't for some reason.  I felt I was feeling what Heaven is like.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, alongside my faith, and really
don't understand why such a heavenly, spiritual feeling is so bad.  I've even
researched it, and there is no evidence of the drug doing any physical harm
to humans.  If everyone were to experience this unifying feeling, I truly,
honestly believe that world peace could be made much easier.  I mean, it's
impossible to have a bad or evil thought while under the influence of this
pill.  I wish I could describe this feeling clearly to all of you.

Please, if you respond, don't try to condemn me.  I have a very strong faith.
I'm not a corrupt druggie.  But I would like to hear your thoughts on this
experience.  It has been a bit of a revolution for me.


						With love in Christ,
								Todd T.