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From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: FAA Nixes Child Safety Seat Rule for Planes
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:58:05 GMT
Organization: At home mother who is rarely at home
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: rejects requirement, but airlines must allow seats on board

From the 9/15/92 Los Angeles Times, reprinted without permission:
"Child Safety Seat Rule for Planes Rejected"

The Federal Aviation Administration on Monday rejected
recommendations to require child safety seats on airliners but ruled
that airlines must at least give parents the option of using the
restraint devices for children under the age of 2.

The FAA said its analysis showed that many low- and middle-income
people would be unable to fly if their costs were raised by being
required to buy an extra ticket to accommodate the seat, and that
more infants and toddlers would die on highways when their parents
opted to drive instead.

Children under age 2 may now fly free if they are held on parents'
laps.  An estimated 5,000 to 10,000 of them fly each day.

The rule goes against the recommendations of the National
Transportation Safety Board, the Assn. of Flight Attendants, the
airline industry and several members of Congress who say that
allowing babies to be held on laps can be deadly in turbulence or
crashes.

The Air Transport Assn., which represents major airlines, had
recommended that the seats be mandatory, but the industry had
stopped short of imposing a rule.  Such a policy would amount to a
major fare increase for families.

The final rule, effective in mid-October, requires airlines to allow
the seats on board.  The safety seats for infants and toddlers now
approved for automobiles are also certified for airplane use.

[end of article]
====================================================================
Could someone clarify the rule for me?  I understand the part where
the FAA has decided not to mandate the use of safety seats on
planes.  But, what does it mean that the rule will require "airlines
to allow the seats on board?"  Does this mean that if you don't
purchase a seat for your child, you can still bring a car seat on
board and use it?  What if the plane is totally sold out and there
are no extra seats?  Is the airline's responsibility then to stow the
car seat for you?  Perhaps someone has access to a less ambiguously
worded article than the LA Times'.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ted@zeus (Ted Scott)
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.  Germantown, Md., 20874
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:24:33 GMT

gkl@tse.uucp (Geoff Loker x656) writes:
: I've heard it as "teensy weensy spider", "inky dinky spider", "itsy bitsy
: spider", and "eensy weensy spider".  Any other variants out there?

Eansey Beansey ! 

The one true spider song :-)

--

-Ted Scott          
tscott@ocsmd.ocs.com           I was told that I'm a P.C. person:
(301) 601-2252                               Politically Challenged, that is.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne)
Subject: cute things (2-"but I'm nearly 3"-years)
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:22:16 GMT

Kids all have their favourite excuses.  They  don't always use them at
appropriate moments though...

My favourites are:

ONE.

Scenario:  I've put Sara to bed, read the books, sung the songs, tucked
her in, said night-night.  I'm sitting downstairs, about to enjoy a
nice, and especially quiet, cup of tea...

[Sound of bedroom door opening]

[Sound of footsteps]

Sara:  Hugh!, Hugh!...

Me: <sigh>

[I go upstairs]

Me: Yes, Sara, what's the matter?

Sara: I'm tired!

TWO.

Scenario: Sunday afternoon.  I'm doing the washing up.  I suddenly
realise that it's suspiciously quiet in the sitting room.  I go and have
a look.  Sara is sitting there eating chocolate biscuits.  To get them
she has dragged a chair over to the cupboard, and she's now sitting at
her table.

Me: Sara, have you been eating chocolate biscuits?

(OK, I know it's a stupid question...)

Sara: It was an accident.

--
Hugh Osborne             |            Dept. of Informatics
                       -----          University of Nijmegen
                        /|\           The Netherlands
_______________________/___\_________ +31-(0)80-65.25.99
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: robdean@access.digex.com (Rob Dean)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:46:42 GMT

kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:

>When I was in high school, we had a girl in our class who's name was
>Mary Ann Lisa. The teachers never knew if she had put her last name first
>(as requested on many of the forms) or not.

As my name is Robert Stewart Dean, I have run into this a few times.  When
I was an undergraduate at the University of Michigan I would frequently
eat at a dorm other than my own, a process which involved showing your meal
card and student ID for them to record.  For some reason they used a last-
first-middle system on the cards, but the paperwork folks at the dorms
didn't pay much attention, and I was often recorded as "Dean Stewart".

Stewart, by the way, was my maternal grandmother's maiden name.  Personally,
I have never had any problems with having a fairly common first name, and
always derived a certain sense of belonging as a child from the fact that
my first and middle names are both "family" names.

My wife and I named our first son Norman Thomas Dean, after our brothers,
but at 2 1/2 he's too young to have an opinion on _that_ yet...

Rob Dean
From: njamal@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Long Ambilical Cord??
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:01:23 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.

Now that my baby is no longer a new born (he's just four months old
and already 15 pounds -- ouch!), I have a question about something
the labor nurse said when he was born.  Soon after he popped his
lovely little self out, she said that he had a long cord and that
that was good.  Does anyone have any information about what the
significance of having a long cord is??

Thanks,
Nuhad Jamal
njamal@amherst
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How Much Longer!!!!!!
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 14:20:56 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University

Please, please make sure that your doctor is watching you closely for
pre-eclampsia/eclampsia.  I just had my baby at 36 weeks via emergency
c-section because I had a very severe case that came up almost over night.
I was fine at my doctor's visit (blood pressure pretty normal, just a trace
of protein, hardly no swelling), 1.5 weeks later he delivered my baby
because blood pressure was 168/120, protein at 2+, swelling was terrible
(nurses told me I lost 15-20 lbs of water in 4 days at the hospital).  Two
days before delivery I felt fine.  If you swell or your urine output
declines, please call your doctor and go to the hospital for monitoring.

Ellen Copley
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Crib recommendation wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:32:53 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <day_kevran-100992132454@130.252.108.211>, day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
} In article <BuD7CA.JrI@apollo.hp.com>, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
} wrote:
} 
} > Go to your favorite baby-supply store.  Bring a teddy bear.  Make your
} > husband put the teddy bear into a playpen ten times.  Then have him
} > try the same thing on a crib.  I think he'll see the point.   Playpens
} > for kids who can't stand up are HARD on the back!
} 
} Better yet, take a 10 or even 20 LB. bag of sugar and THEN put it in the
} playpen and take it out tem times!  It'll make the point more quickly, I
} bet!

And try to lay it down very gently, so that you don't wake the sleeping
bag of sugar you just removed from the car seat.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Alcohol during pregnancy (was Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:40:39 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds) writes:
>If my statements are false I apologize but I believe them to be true.
>I can live with the consequences of being wrong.  If Paula's
>statements are false can she, a pregnant women or her unborn child
>live with the consequences?

I'm not quite sure what this means.  Since you won't ever be pregnant,
your living with or not living with consequences isn't really
pertinent, is it.  Even Paula is incorrect and there is some
evidence that a single drink can cause problems, that doesn't mean
that it would apply eo every single baby and every single pregnant
woman.

>IF YOU ARE PREGNANT DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL.
>If you cannot refrain from an occasional drink during pregnancy then
>an occasional drink is probably not at issue.

What exactly does this mean? 

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: m21101@mitre.org (Beth Abramowitz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:31:47 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation

In article <1915@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:

>In article <Bu4EKs.95s@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu 
>(Peggy Brown) writes:
>> One place I called charges $18/day, another $20/day.  At both
>> places the parents supply milk/formula and diapers.

>I live in the grater Boston area and my son goes to family daycare.  I pay 
>$4/hour.  When he was an infant, I had to supply formula and then baby 
>food.  My provider is great and she started buying the baby food after 
>awhile.  She participates in the government food program (like the school 
>lunch program - she has to adhere to their dietary guidelines and provide 
>menus and receipts and she gets some small amount of funding from the 
>government) so, when he went on whole milk, she was able to enroll him in 
>the program and began providing all of his meals and snacks,  he gets 
>breakfast, lunch and two snacks at her house.  I have to provide diapers.  
>I think she may drop her rate to $3.50/hour when he turns two, but I'm not 
>sure. 

>Vanessa R. Stern
>vrs0@bunny.gte.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:25:56 GMT
Keywords: what did you do?

In article <1992Sep6.231728.14576@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
> 
> What I want to know, just out of curiousity, how many had this problem
> and what you did (just took them off, wore a replacement, or got them
> made bigger).
> 

  I had the same problem.  I just stopped wearing my wedding
  ring until it fit again.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Riding Lawn Mowers
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:28:15 GMT

  I'm sure many tears were shed yesterday when my town newspaper printed the
news that a 5-year-old child had died from a riding (lawn) mower accident.  He
would have started school today.
  It was a case of a relative giving kids rides on the mower.  I'm sure that
the accident occurred within shouting distance of the front door and it
happened in an instant.
  The child's head hit the blades.  Seasoned policemen who answered the call
want counseling to deal with their own feelings after coming upon the scene.
Another child survived.
  Aside from the grief that I feel for the parents and the children and the
relative involved, I felt that 'there but for the grace of God goes I'.  Every-
one knows that riding a lawn mower is dangerous.  Even pushing a mower can be
dangerous when there are kids are around.  But you think, 'Oh, there's an
adult in charge' or, on a deeper level, 'Those things happened when less-
skilled, less-coordinated people are involved'.
  (I know an extremely successful, preppy, 'upper-crust-type' family that feels
that seat belts and life jackets are for the plebes, not for THEM, and they
have raised their kids with this attitude!)
  If the mother had had any second-thoughts about the child riding the mower,
did she say, 'No, that's dangerous!' and had the relative retort, 'Oh, COME
ON!'  Did she then back down, feeling sheepish?  I mention this because I am
ashamed to say that I sometimes have backed down myself, not in clearly dan-
gerous situations, but in situations where my instinct told me not to.
  My husband, father-in-law, and I were buckling my first child into her seat
belt, preparing to drive across a busy street, when the buckle jammed.  My
father-in-law said, 'Oh, COME ON, we're only going across the street!' and
my husband luckily backed me up when I insisted that we work on the problem
and not go anywhere unbuckled.  Had my husband not backed me up, could I have
resisted the pressure not to be so compulsive about safety?  I don't know.
  But this child's death made me think about it.  I really grieve for all
concerned.
 
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: new job title
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:37:19 GMT

The other day, we were filling out a form for Billy and came to the
dread question: Mother's occupation.  Mary hates that since no
one will acknowledge any part of her past experience or schooling
since she stays at home now, but that's a different gripe.  Anyhow,
we got silly and filled out her occupation as:

	MOM - Manager of Mayhem

We may even print up some business cards :-)

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [27 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Looking for raj@kailash.cse.iitb.ernet.in
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:55:29 GMT

I have been trying to send you the ear infections FAQL for some time,
but haven't been able to get it across the link between uunet and 
sangam.  Could you please either give me an alternate path or tell
me when the link will be clear?  I could try to break the FAQ into
about 10 messages and try to send it across, too, if you thought it
could work.

-- Misty
From: latwood@oodis01.af.mil (Lynette Atwood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Mommy's new name: decision!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:23:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hill AFB, Utah

Wow!  The response and opinions I received from my question as to what
name I should keep when I get remarried was phenomenal!

My original post asked the net's collective opinion about changing my
name when I get remarried.  My name (and my children's last name) is
currently Atwood.  I am engaged to be married to a *wonderful* person
and I was wondering about whether I should take on his last name and
drop my ex's last name or if (for the sake of keeping my name the same
as my childrens') I should hyphenate:  Lynette Atwood-"Smith"  (false
name, I work with my fiance and we haven't told anyone what is going
on - and you never know who can access the net!).

The results were a landslide!  And, luckily, your opinions coincided
with my feelings:  drop the ex's name and go with Lynette "Smith"  -
the children will be fine.  I was worried about the kids having a
different last name because I live in an area where some people tend
to be narrow minded [Utah  -  really?  :-)  :-)]

I tried to e-mail a thanks to everyone who wrote but, alas, quite a
few bounced.  Thanks everyone!  And, a special thanks to those who
reassured me that they had faced the same problems and that it all
worked out.  Gee, remember the good ol' days when all you had to worry
about was the wedding dress and picking out china??!


 _//  Lynette Atwood _/_ _/_
 /    __  , ____  _  /   /  _       don't know when it will change
/___ / (_/_/ / <_</_<___<__</_      . . . stay tuned (ah, to get a
        /                           firm date from a certified
latwood@oodis01.af.mil              bachelor)
From: ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor - Network Operations East)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:36:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: eec.east.sun.com

A couple times, earlier in my pregnancy I drank a cup of
coffee on a couple of occassions when I had to drive a long
distance. I figured it would be even less healthy for the kid
if I fell asleep at the wheel.

However, since I have been feeling nauseous, I have nad no
desire for caffeine of any kind.

I would try not to drink any, but I'd say a rare cup probably
won't hurt anything.  Just my amateur opinion here.

/laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The well apologizes for....
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 15:35:44 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

-The start of the drugs war about a year ago, "Doing drugs in front
of kids", in which a father (alledgedly) wanted to know what he
should tell his kids while "doing drugs" in front of them, and if
he should supply the kids with good stuff instead of having them run
the risk of buying inferior drugs on the streets. Crossposted to
misc.kids and alt.drugs.
Did we have fun then or what.
-A mother who suggested that a good way to teach little kids not to
play with fire was to pour some cigarette lighter liquid (or whatever
the appropriate term might be) over them and set them on fire; thus
giving new meaning to the term "flame war".
 
All these posts were well worded and sounded serious at first sight.
 
I strongly suggest that before we ever start another flame war
over a post from the "Well" we question its credibility.
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Petroleum Jelly (was Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:27:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: rectal temp taking and light bulb preventive maintenance

In article <1992Sep9.172758.18455@informix.com> alison@husky.informix writes:
>Along the same lines, what IS petroleum jelly supposed to be used for?

The only thing we've used it for was to dip the rectal thermometer
in before taking our son's temperature.  However, I just found out
that you can put a very thin coating of petroleum jelly on the base
of a light bulb before screwing it in to prevent the problem of
having it get stuck, and possibly break during removal, in the 
light socket.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: acantin@dg-webo.rtp.dg.com (Anne Cantin )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Another labor story (LONG)
Summary: a shared experience
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:57:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

Debbie Anderson writes:
>With all the recent postings about labor and caesareans, I've decided to
>post my labor story, even though it happened almost a year ago. 
>
>	Stephanie Elizabeth Anderson
>	born: Sept. 26, 1991
>	weight: 7 lbs 12 oz
>	height: 19 1/2"
>	apgars: 8 & 9
>
>[labor story follows; daughter born with Group B strep infection, and
>     recovers with antibiotics]

Debbie,  I could have written that story.  My daughter Emily (who just
turned three years old June 28th) was born with Group B strep and also
was required to stay in the hospital for the required 10 days of anti-
biotics.  I can't describe in words how hard it was to leave her there
when I got discharged from the hospital.  I tried going in for every
feeding, but my heart was full every time I left.  We were lucky;  she
responded positively to the antibiotics.  There was another boy born
right before Emily with GBS (Group B Strep) who wasn't responding as
well.  I never found out what happened to him as he had to stay longer
than the 10 days.  
 
Emily being my first baby, I had no idea what my rights were while in 
the hospital.  After I delivered, Emily was whisked immediately to the
Special Care Nursery (which they tell you practically nothing about in
the birthing classes...)  I was anxious to see Emily and find out how
she was doing, but was told that I couldn't see her right away and 
doctors would be in to talk with me.  I kept getting reassured by
nurses and doctors that when she was more stabilized that I could go
visit.  Well, by the next afternoon I just couldn't wait anymore...so I
told the floor nurse I was going to go to the nursery.  When I got there
one of the Special Care nurses said to me "Well, it's about time you
came down to see your baby...we were beginning to wonder if you were 
interested in seeing her."  I think she put me in shock.  I couldn't 
respond at the time, but thinking about that still makes me very angry
(even three years later!)  Talk about insensitive!         

Emily is now a perfectly healthy, beautiful little girl.  I was told that
she should suffer no long-term effects, but that if I get pregnant again
that I will definitely be tested for GBS before delivery.

Belated congratulations on the birth of your precious little girl.

Anne
(Anne_Cantin@bluto.ceo.dg.com or anne@bmw.webo.dg.com)
From: Bob_Daye@mindlink.bc.ca (Bob Daye)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pacifiers
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:09:31 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Thank you all for your responses and suggestions. Katey pie seems to be
accepting the Playtex model at the present time. What I really want to see is
her finding her thumb on a regular basis (my wife disagrees). She is still
determined that Mom's breast is the best and because of that will not accept
the pacifier from Mom. She really has a temper and when that kicks in nothing
else will work - and offering her the pacifier usually is the reason her temper
kicks in. But last night she was very accomodating to me.
 As a lot of you said "Hang in there!!"
She will decide what is right for her and hopefully we will know what that is
and are able to give it to her.
Also speaking of her temper our doctor recommended a book titled "The
Omnipotent Child". This book is about how to discipline your child and at the
same time help your child realize they are not the centre of the universe. The
book points out that proper discipline has little to do with punishment and
decries the "love is all it takes" attitude. The book itself is geared to two
years old and up.
Take care all and see you on the net.

--Bob, Debbie & Katie pie  ;-)

Newsgroups: misc.kids