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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Counting of coasters
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:52:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct6.195246.24358
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Mike Cornell writes:

>Hey Bill..you call that bobsled thing a coaster...gee that will
>up my puny list of roller coasters from 30 to 33.  How about
>log flumes do we count them too?  that would make it 44.  Oh
>and Freefall rides...46.  How about those Body Wars simulation
>thingys?  That would make my list up to 49. Oops I forgot
>a couple flumes...52.  Wow my list is growing by leaps and bounds

We went thru this spat a few months ago on the net.
Some would NOT count "* Star's", "Galaxi's", "Wild Mice", etc.
But some do.

Myself?  Well, Mine Trains and Bobsled's are listed in ACE's
GUIDE TO RIDE -- can't argue with that!  Basically, if it has
a lift hill, and the cars descend by gravity, *I* call it
a coaster.  The Dark Ride, formerally at Conneant Lake, is
counted in my stats, as it's basically an enclosed Wild Mouse
ride.  I also count racing coasters like Le Monstre, American
Eagle, and Rolling Thunder as two separate rides.  To each his
own, I guess.
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Counting of coasters
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:22:19 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.140206.12576@usl.edu>, rhb@ucs.usl.edu
|> (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
|> (Bill Figie) writes:
|> >remembered my first ride on the
|> >Avalanche Bobsled at Cedar Point.  It was truly a boar.  
|> >What say others?                                ^^^^^^^
|> 
|> 
|> If your intent was to make me choke on my coffee, then MISSION
|> ACCOMPLISHED!  ;-)
|> 
|> 
|> I am loathe to sound like some kind of persnickety spelling-bee-champion
|> on a rampage, but every once in a while, I run across a spelling-error 
|> (or typo) that makes my day.
|> 
|> You see, *I* am a boar; well, certainly a pig anyway. If you don't
|> believe me, ask my friends!     ;-)
|> 
|> 
|> Coaster Pig,
|> Rendell

You caught me!!!  When I type real fast (fast for me) I put down the first
way I can think of spelling a word.  Sometimes I go back and correct those
errors, sometimes I don't.  Sometimes I don't even catch those errors. 
This was one of those times.  Actually, it might have been a correct slip
of my fingers.  If you ever rode the Avalanche Bobsled you would recall it
was slow, over grown (big structure, big fat cars), and not really that
much fun.  Actually, it was quite a pig of a coaster.

	Bill "spelling checkers don't catch errors like this" Figie
From: ne_peatross@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Cedar Points Pipeline is Reality
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:57:05 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

	I don't know why everyone is spreading all this stuff about Cedar Point
not having the pipeline next year. This summer I worked at Cedar Point and know
for a fact that they are going to have it where the Frontier Trail was. I
worked on the Magnium XL200 and the Meanstreak which are the best coasters
around. I can tell you anything you need to know about the pipeline. I would
also like to say that everyone who has any intrest in coasters should work at
Cedar Point. It is a great place to work. 

Nelson Peatross


If you have any questions my E-mail address is
ne_peatross@vax.muskingum.edu


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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Counting of coasters
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:47:00 GMT


In article <1asic7INNii1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu
|> (Michael A. Cornell) writes:
|> 
|> Hey Bill..you call that bobsled thing a coaster...gee that will
|> up my puny list of roller coasters from 30 to 33.  How about
|> log flumes do we count them too?  that would make it 44.  Oh
|> and Freefall rides...46.  How about those Body Wars simulation
|> thingys?  That would make my list up to 49. Oops I forgot
|> a couple flumes...52.  Wow my list is growing by leaps and bounds
|> 
|> Mike Cornell
|> 
|> When do we stop the insanity?

Michael,
   Rides like the Avalanche Bobsled / Disaster Transport qualify
100% as roller coasters whereby log flumes, freefalls, and
simulators do not qualify.  They don't fit the Websters Dictionary
definition (New Collegiate Dictionary) which is - An elevated railway
(as in an amusement park) constructed with curves and inclines on
which cars roll.  It is surprising, by looking at this definition
closely, that bobsled rides don't really fit the classic
definition because they are really not a railway which is defined
as a line of track providing a runway for wheels.  On a bobsled,
there is no runway except the troth it runs in.  Like I said, every
ACEer I have ever talked to considers bobsled rides as coasters
(and so do parks).  Websters also leaves out what many consider the
most important criteria and that is gravity powered.  Without this
criteria Blauer Enzians (sp?), which are popular in Europe, would
qualify as a coaster. 
    With anything considering this subject, it is best to leave the
defining to the experts.  The bobsled rides are listed in Guide To
Ride, Buck's FAQ coaster census in this news group, Richard Munch's 
poster which contains all known "coasters" and the ACE Coaster
Census compiled by Mark Wyatt, so I guess it must be a coaster.


Bill "that bobsled thing is better then some coasters I've ridden
before" Figie
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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Astroworld weekdays?
Keywords: Astroworld dates company trip
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:12:40 GMT

(Geoff Allen) writes:
>Now, since Houston's so far south, I figured they might be open a little
>later than parks located in *real* climates with *real* winters. ;^)
>Does anybody have any info?

Hey!  It was 55 degrees this morning. I almost got up and turned on
the heater!   (*I haven't been able to locate my blanket from last
winter -- I know it is in a closet *somewhere*)

;-)


AstroWorld is staffed by high school students who are all back at
school now, so I tend to doubt that it will be open during the week;
but I will check and post the results.


Rendell
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: TG III Hotel Rooms
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:10:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccd.1992Oct6.141019.12128
Distribution: na
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: wjf@rs2


In article Larry writes: 
|> I saw a posting last week about the possibility of some park building a
|> copy of the old  Cyclone Racer. Is that for real? I talked my
|> little sister
|> into riding it in 1967 just after we'd been to Disneyland. "You rode the
|> Matterhorn, this isn't any worse" I told her. 
|> To this day, she tells me "That's the one time in my life I thought I was
|> going to DIE!" 


I posted it last week Larry.  Like I said in my posting, it was being
considered quite strongly by some unnamed park.  It is no idle rumor but
it could be classified as a hope and a dream by some park or person.  Like
any of these "rumors" I don't really believe them till the coaster or park
is built.  I consider a real rumor as something someone starts without a
shred of evidence.  This "rumor" is factual in the fact that the person
was really contacted and the park was interested in building it. 
Unfortunately, the best laid plans of mice, men, and park owners ofter do
go astray.  Perhaps someone in the future will build it if this one park
doesn't.  Unfortunately, will it be as good as the original?  Look at the
Raging Wolf Bobs.  I can't believe it is anywheres close to being as good
as the real Riverview Bobs.  From what I can see, it only looks like the
Bobs looking down on it.  Many of the hills, and drops were modified. 
What a shame.  I was really looking forward to riding a very close twin of
the Riverview Bobs.

	Bill "believe only once it is built" Figie
From: vibrad@os2dce06.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: ACE Membership
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:47:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

Gary,
Since you are the new membership director of ACE, could you please post
the membership application and where to send it to so I can join ACE
(I have now been trying to join for about 7 or so months with no luck -
Im getting quite frustrated - and yes, I understand that it is run by 
volunteers and all that but no on else on the net seems to have as much 
trouble - I guess because they are already joined)... Anyway, Id like
to possibly have my family join (as I read in an earlier post that there
are both individual memberships and family memberships.)... My daughter is
5 and started riding rollercoasters last summer when she was 4 and I thought
it would sort of be neat for her to grow up with an ACE membership and tell
all her friends that she's been a member since she was 5.  (her first coaster,
by the way was the Big Bad Wolf)... 
 
Anyway, like I said before, if you could just post the application, (and maybe
someone could add it to the FAQ) and where to send it to, people like myself
will have a much easier time joining ACE.  I want to go to TGIII this year
and maybe it is still possible that this can all come together (I can get
the application, I can send it in, and get whatever membership material I need
to attend TGIII).

Thanks,

Brad

(I dont have E-mail)
From: vibrad@os2dce06.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Tornado was Re: Woodies for 1993 (Was Re No PIPELINE)
Date: 25 Sep 92 15:41:42 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

I use to live in Panama City, FL, never did get around to riding the Tornado
before Petticoat Junction closed.  I could have sworn that instead of
dismantling it peice by peice, that they just took a bulldozer to it and let
it collapse upon itself.. I know that if they are going to use the old cars
that there is quite a bit of rebuilding to be redone..  The last day, when
everyone knew that the Park would never open again, the ride operators of
the Tornado pulled pieces from it as memorabilia or the park and the coaster.

Interesting side note is that the owner of the park had died and his son
didnt want to have to deal with keeping up with the park and closed it.
He auctioned off all the rides (though I had never heard of the tornado
being sold - pretty bad shape towards the end) and wanted to put up Condos
on the lot.. No one wanted to pay his asking price to the land was never
developed and just stands there now as an empty lot with old warehouses and
the arcade being used as a sort of Flea Market.  Damn nice park when it was
open though.  I sure wish I had rode the Tornado, it sure looked fun.
 
Brad
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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: Stupid rumors
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:56:29 GMT


>  I recently heard that the adorable little girl who plays Stephanie
>  on "Full House" was killed on a Batman ride at a Six Flags
>  Amusement park. Is it true? If so, how has her death affected 
>  the show?  -- LYNN TAUSCHEK, MILWAUKEE

>What I want to know is 1) Why didn't they show us a picture of
>Batman, The Ride instead of some stupid kids :-), 2) how do
>these rumors get started, and 3) how long will this rumor last?
>(take a peek at alt.disney to see how these things can get out
>of control).

I don't know why they didn't show a picture, but for those of you
who haven't been to Great America, Batman, The Ride is incredible!
It is the first steel coaster I have ridden that (in my opinion)
has even approached The Beast.

The quality of the ride is not limited to the ride itself, either:
the attention to detail in the queue area and ride surroundings is
something I haven't seen since my last trip to Disneyworld.  I wouldn't
have believed a Six Flags park was capable of that!  (and I worked at
a SF park for 6 years--and still do some consulting for them!)

Mike
mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
-- 
mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:16:00 EDT
From: <WJS116@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Kings Island vs. Cedar Point
 <1992Oct5.114647.8886@ccd.harris.com>

Cedar Point has a history, tradition, and I think that alone gives it
the edge over Kings' Island.  Of course it's all a matter of opinion;
since I grew up and still live near CP, I guess I have a different kind
of appreciation (and maybe a little bias) for CP.
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:22:15 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: ATTN Buck! (Re: ACE Membership)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

ga06+ace@andrew.cmu.edu, husband of Tracy, writes:

>By the way, I was recently appointed as the new Membership Director for
>ACE. I set up a mail address for questions about joining the club:
>
>Send ACE membership questions to ga06+ace@andrew.cmu.edu

ATTN Buck!  Be sure to get this info into the FAQ!

Nice going, Gary.  Hope the address is a success.

Geoff

-- 
Geoff Allen          \ The main difference between me and the student
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  is that I have simply made more mistakes.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \    --George Drennan on teaching photo workshops.
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From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Coasters with LESS restrictions???
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:41:54 GMT

In article <43280023@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> bachrach@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Adam Bachrach) writes:
>Alot of coaster junkies have admitted to being pissed off with brakes,
>horse collars, ratcheting lap bars, and other current safety devices.
>Obviously, most of the paying public could not or would not be able to
>handle most coasters wide open and without current restraints.
>There are many reasons why coasters of today have such gadgets.  Alot 
>most likely has to do with liabilites and insurance purposes as well
>as daily wear and tear on the tracks.
>My question is, are there other countries that because of fewer legalites
>and less restrictions they have some really outrageous coasters compared
>to our US versions???  

There are two small roller coasters at Tivoli (i lov iT!) in Copenhagen.
Neither would last a minute in the US without substantial changes (when they
say keep your hands in the car, they mean it!)

__   -paul asente
\/     asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Feminism:  a socialist, anti-family political movement
           that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their
           children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
           become lesbians.			-Pat Robertson
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Disney News
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Geoff-A-Whirl reports:

| Tony Baxter spoke the following morning about EuroDisney complete with
| an interesting slide show.  Among other interesting things, he said:
| 
| 	- Discovery Land will get "Discovery Mountain" in the '94-95
| 	  timeframe.  This will be an indoor roller coaster attraction
| 	  a la Space Mountain with a few new twists (literally).  The
| 	  theme of the ride is a little different in that riders will
| 	  be "shot" out of a canon into "space".  Hopefully this will
| 	  mean an exciting replacement for the usual boring chain lift
| 	  at the beginning of a roller coaster (e.g. high acceleration
| 	  up to the top of the first hill). 

Damn ... that sounds an awful lot like that propulsion system that
Anton Schwarzkopf has been working on some time now (in an effort
to get greater speeds from shorter lift hills).  Disney with a
Schwarzkopf??  The mind boggles!  8^)
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Counting of coasters
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:02:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Oct5.140206.12576
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

(Bill Figie) writes:
>remembered my first ride on the
>Avalanche Bobsled at Cedar Point.  It was truly a boar.  
>What say others?                                ^^^^^^^


If your intent was to make me choke on my coffee, then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
;-)


I am loathe to sound like some kind of persnickety spelling-bee-champion
on a rampage, but every once in a while, I run across a spelling-error 
(or typo) that makes my day.

You see, *I* am a boar; well, certainly a pig anyway. If you don't believe
me, ask my friends!     ;-)


Coaster Pig,
Rendell
Organization: Clusters, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:17:27 -0400 
From: Gary Joseph Aulfinger <ga06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Reply-To: ga06+ace@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: ACE Membership
	<1992Sep28.193451.18736@news.media.mit.edu>
Distribution: usa


Tom is right--and I'm sure you can think of other legalese to explain
why it's a good idea for the club to eventually require a signature. To
get the membership started, go ahead and send in the application with
your signature. We'll take care of getting proper ones from your friends
afterwards.

By the way, I was recently appointed as the new Membership Director for
ACE. I set up a mail address for questions about joining the club:

Send ACE membership questions to ga06+ace@andrew.cmu.edu

I'll read them as soon as possible (or pass them on to my lovely
assistant Tracy! :-)

Gary
From: bachrach@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Adam Bachrach)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:25:05 GMT
Subject: Coasters with LESS restrictions???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster

Alot of coaster junkies have admitted to being pissed off with brakes,
horse collars, ratcheting lap bars, and other current safety devices.
Obviously, most of the paying public could not or would not be able to
handle most coasters wide open and without current restraints.
There are many reasons why coasters of today have such gadgets.  Alot 
most likely has to do with liabilites and insurance purposes as well
as daily wear and tear on the tracks.
My question is, are there other countries that because of fewer legalites
and less restrictions they have some really outrageous coasters compared
to our US versions???  
Maybe countries like Mexico come to mind.
I would tend to think some coutries out there must be alot more lax out 
there.  Thanks in advance for any and all replies to this inquiring mind!
Allnight Adam
  
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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Astroworld weekdays?
Keywords: Astroworld dates company trip
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:31:45 GMT

buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>What about Fiesta Texas ... it's really only a Hop,
>Skip, and a Jump from Houston!!  I did both parks
>EASILEY in one day!!  


DARN NEW ENGLANDERS!!       ;-)


I have a friend in New Jersey who talks about Cedar Point (in Ohio) as
if it were in his BACK YARD!!  He think NOTHING of driving there for
a weekend *day* trip.

It is a long 3.5 hour drive from Houston to San Antonio. Along the way,
the only thing there is to see are tiny Texas towns, and Exotic Animal
Ranches where you can pay $200 to shoot an ibex with rope marks around
the poor critter's neck!!

Of course, you will get drive over "Woman Hollerin' Creek" and that is
almost worth the drive in itself!      ;-)



Rendell The Cantankerous  (who will be driving to Arkansas next weekend, but
                           doesn't even PRETEND like it's around the corner!)
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: driving distances
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:07:27 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Hey Cheri,

>>It is a long 3.5 hour drive from Houston to San Antonio. 

>But how far is it from Houston to Dallas?  I'm planning on going 
>to Astroworld the weekend before TGIII, spending a couple of days 
>there being a tourist, then going to Dallas for a couple days before 
>the conference.

It's roughly a 4.5 hour drive from Houston to Dallas ... straight
up I-45N -- no biggie!  If you get an early start, you will have much 
time to enjoy SFoT.


RE: Rendell and his "Darn New Englanders" comment.

Oh, c'mon ... a 3 hour drive is NOTHING!!  5-6 hours
is average for me, and 11-15 is considered 'long' by
my stanards.  Heck, if I had the free time, I'd just
drive across the country hitting every park along the
way!!


Buck, the committed
From: huber@cntrol.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Astroworld weekdays?
Keywords: Astroworld dates company trip
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:53:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: e2big.1992Oct1.175324.23157
Reply-To: huber@cntrol.enet.dec.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <1992Oct1.161240.3960@usl.edu>, rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>(Geoff Allen) writes:
>>Now, since Houston's so far south, I figured they might be open a little
>>later than parks located in *real* climates with *real* winters. ;^)
>>Does anybody have any info?
>
>Hey!  It was 55 degrees this morning. I almost got up and turned on
>the heater!   (*I haven't been able to locate my blanket from last
>winter -- I know it is in a closet *somewhere*)
>
>;-)
>
>
>AstroWorld is staffed by high school students who are all back at
>school now, so I tend to doubt that it will be open during the week;
>but I will check and post the results.

The last full week AstroWorld was open this year was August 23-29 (as my
wife and I discovered, much to our chagrin, on September 2nd).

Joe
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Accident on Pipeline Express
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:19:48 GMT

A while ago there was a discussion on
the net about Bailey's new AUTO SLED
ride at Boardwalk Family Fun Park in
Grand Prairie, TX (named the Pipeline
Express).  Well, last week, a little
girl apparently fell off the sled onto
the concrete below.  The girl is alive,
but last I heard, in a coma.  No 
further details on how the accident
happened, or the fate of the newly 
opened attraction?!


Buck
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: asdch@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Kings Island vs. Cedar Point
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:49:13 GMT

Is it just me or does the layout and placement of the good rides at Kings 
Island seem superior in terms of access than that of Cedar Point? I've been 
to both and I prefer Kings Island not only because the rides are better, but
because it is easier to get around and there is more non-ride entertainment.
And besides, you just can't top the BEAST and the VORTEX. Oh yeah, and if
there is a Cincinatti Reds game in town..., Dave.
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