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From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ASIA AQUA --> Excuse me, but ...
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:34:17 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 29660@bmerh85.bnr.ca, reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
 
>	Well I didn't mean to start a flame war either, I was just 
>pointing out that this is not the original ``ASIA'' sound that made
>them a world-wide hit. I didn't say it was garbage, it just sounds to me
>more like Whitesnake than ASIA. I am comlaining that the name ASIA is
>on the cover and I feel it misleads those of us looking for the 
>``original'' sound, that I personally can't get enough of.

You mean like putting the Genesis name on 'Then there were Three'
or the Yes name on '90125' or the Camel Name on 'Dust and Dreams'
or.....

Face it, people change, bands change. It happens. Most of my favourite
bands have had at least one change of style if not more, some you like
others you don't.

If they didn't change, people would only start saying 'Don't buy that,
it's exactly like their last Album'.

I like all the Asia albums, although Aqua is probably my least favourite,
but it seems unlikely to me that they will ever return to the `original'
sound, because they have all moved on since then...

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jlarouch@sobeco.com (Jacques Larouche)
Subject: Re: Yes, end of Relayer and Teakbois
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 02:16:23 GMT

In <1993Jan9.172046.11900@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Has Jon ever said what 'teakbois' meant?!

>Scott
>(just wondering...)

'teakbois' looks to me like some kind of translation for woodpecker -
in french : picbois ! 

Probably another odd one from Jon ...

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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Re: ASIA AQUA --> Excuse me, but ...
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:02:48 GMT

> > his work (Downes') on _Drama_ was only pop). 
> 
> Whoa!  Are you serious?  I would hardly call _Drama_ pop...
> 
> Kevin
> 

	I think you misinterpreted my statement. _Drama_ is a 
progressive rock album but there are a couple of tracks that are 
pop oriented, ``Into the Lens'' is the best example and I give full
credit to Horn and Downes for the bit of non-vintage Yes. My comment
about pop was Downes' contribution to Yes, not the entire _Drama_
album.
	Gee, hypersensitive or what! :-)

--- Andy

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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Kit Watkins Sampler
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:41:14 GMT

In article <9301092301.AA08967@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:
>
>>I would urge netters to get Kit's sampler CD ($3.50 for 73 min of
>>music).  This has selections from all his solo albums. Kit has a few 
>>new-agey albums but the majority are not. 
>
>I have to respectfully disagree.  I found this CD awful, not worth the
>$3.95 + $2 shipping.  The music was more pop and newage than anything
>else.  This is something for Kit fans rather than people trying to get
>into the band.  For the latter, I recommend the first two HtM cds.
>
>-Mike
>
Outstanding! Now, where the hell do you get these two CD's (NOT the
compilation) without paying over $100 each to some collector?!! So
what if they're limited editions... I just want to listen to the
tunes! Ask Kit why the heck someone doesn't release the first two
albums again. They would probably both fit on a single 70 minute
disk anyway! From what I've heard so far from the _Retrospective_
the third album is much more New Age than the provocative stuff
from the first two albums. I'd like to hear them in their entirety.
- Mike

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From: magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: help with Wetton, Greenslade, Wakeman
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:54:41 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
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In article <CHRISLEY.93Jan4172412@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk  
(Ronald L Chrisley) writes:
> 
>  --- Stuff deleted ---
> 
> While I'm at it, has Wakeman's single "I'm So Straight I'm A Weirdo"
> (no joke) and its b-side "Do You Believe In Fairies?" ever made it to
> an album?  How about "Shadow Of A Rock & Roll star"?
> 

Both songs are on Wakemans "Rock'n'Roll Prophet"-album.

/Magnus Ring
From: jonathan@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca (Jonathan Levine)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Noteworthy
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:47:46 GMT

Having seen Noteworthy mentioned here a couple of times, I gave them a call
(the 800 number does work from Canada) to get a catalog.  After giving the
girl at the other end of the phone all of the address information, she 
informed me that a catalog to Canada is $2.50!  Or free with order, of
course.  How, I asked her, could I place an order without first having seen
a catalog?  Look at a friend's.  I don't know anybody who has one...

Anyway, stupid policy, but can anyone tell me whether the catalog is worth
the money?


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From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: TLR (was Re: List of books on oob)
Keywords: TLR
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:24:38 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon) writes:

>	People who read TLR are invariably affected by his books one way or 
>another. I wish I could keep this thread alive for a little while longer, 
>so if there is anyone who would like to share, on the net or in private,
>what has affected them, how and why, perhaps the discussion would prove 
>useful, if not entertaining. (My personal mailing address is still open, if
>you have caught it in the "Children of the **" posting.)


A few years ago, I read T Lobsang Rampa's book, _The Third Eye_.
I thought it was extremely interesting - especially the part
about physically "liberating" the third eye.  TLR seemed to add
a real physical dimension to by spiritual studies.

I am now reading (along with about 20 books) _The Cave of the
Ancients_.  Thanks alot for your previous post with titles and
synopsis.

Since you have the collection...  Could you possibly condense and
post TLR's technique for astral projection?  Thanks alot!
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From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: TLR (was Re: List of books on oob)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:27:38 GMT

dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon) writes:

>	Seems like I've become the spokesman for TLR, what?

>	Well, the main "instruction manual" on astral traveling is the
>book "You-Forever". The old man devoted about 1-2 chapters on techniques.
>Elsewhere throughout his 19 odd books, there are scattered references of
>astral projection, like in "The Hermit" where he relates the story of a
>blind astral-traveling lama who was abducted by aliens aboard a space-craft.
>It would have been useful to piece together these separate references,
>but it is too tedious, unless, of course, someone offered to pay for 
>the effort and time, :-).

>The star gazer ***


Hello Star Gazer,

Thanks.  I will try and pick up a copy of _You-Forever_.  Do you
have an address to write to order TLR books?

In the meantime, could you scan in those two chapters?  Many thanks!


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From: kwi@stud.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK)
Subject: 'Re' Warning - apologia et regrata
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:59:37 GMT

	OK Maybe I sound a little paranoid.
	OK I may not have all that experience.

	But then again I may have red the wrong books, heard the wrong 
stories and been affected by that. What I ment to say wasn't to keep people 
from OOBE'ing. I just wanted to say 'take care' because theres a lot more to 
oobe than i think anyone of us knows (parallell to that we dont know to much 
about the "real" world. Is light rays or particles or: both and how can that 
be?) Someone saw the parallell to New York: people is known to have died 
there from violence. I dont think I've heard of people being killed from OOBE
but if kiled being oobe just makes the 'chord' snap, then who knows how many
sudden 'nocause' heartattacs and even cradledeaths are from oobe-accidents?
By the way, they say that little children are more 'exposed' to oobe ( some 
say that 1 out of seven children experience minor oobe (do not count dreams 
as oobe)) Then maybe tht is the reason for cradle-deaths? (sudden baby death
without any obvios reason, injury or cause)
	Now, again I don't claim to KNOW anything about oobe, and the 'death 
from oobe' theories are my own reasoning. But then every book I've red or 
person I have heard speaking of oobe, have said that we should be carefull 
aboute oobe.

	Please correct me if I'm wrong.
	I'd be glad to hear from an experienced OOBE'r 
	about this things.

	
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From: ebstokes@uncc.edu (Edward B Stokes)
Subject: flying dreams
Reply-To: ebstokes@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:11:52 GMT

I have recurrent dreams where I'm flying, not like a bird, but like just pushing off with my mind. When I say Recurrent, I don't mean nightly, but more often than sheer chance would seem to indicate. When I go "Flying" what's the chance I'm really OOB, and how would I know? I live in a Hi-rise dorm but I have no memory of leaving the building nd seeing the 70+ foot drop. Any opinions?
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From: u912078@daimi.aau.dk (S|ren Erland Vest|)
Subject: Was I close??
Keywords: oobe, paralysis, 'tingles'
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:17:18 GMT

Hi all,

Last night, I decided to have a go at some relaxation tecnics. I have before
tried to go oob, without much luck, mainly because I was trying too hard, I 
think. 

What happened was this: I lie down, and begin to relax. I close my eyes, and 
start taking deep breaths. I focus on my breathing, and begin to feel relaxed.
After some time, I start to feel this tingling all over my body, as if some-
body pricked me with tiny needles, except that it doesn't really hurt. After a
while with this, it starts coming in waves, bigger and bigger. OK, I think,
this is fun. Suddenly my muscles start acting like I was having cramps, and
the whole world start turning, like in four(?) dimensions. Then it felt like
my body sort of exploded, an expansion so instant, that I didn't feel it
coming. Then I got this floating feeling, like something was trying to lift
me of the bed, but the instant that I started floating, something bigger came
around kicking me right back on the bed. I snapped out of it, and couldn't
move. I think it took around five minutes before I was able to move. Kind of
scary if you want to hear my opinion.

Was I close to an oobe??? Please enlighten me, I wanna try it again.

Regs,
Soeren E.

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From: ijr@canard.uwaterloo.ca (Ilana Jayne Shewchun)
Subject: voices
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:49:12 GMT

Has anyone ever experienced a voice speaking to you as you began to
relax deeply?   Not a nice voice either (at least the one that 'speaks'
to me isn't nice.  Sort of a malevolent murmuring.  I generally get
too rattled to concentrate on what exactly is being said.  I end up
sitting in bed, completely terrified, for about a good ten minutes after.

Does anyone have any clue as to what it is I am experiencing?
This only happens eveyr once in a while, and I haven't found it
to occur in conjunction with any other events (meaning I have no clue 
as to what causes it).

Thanks-

SMiles!

Ilana
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: WARNING!!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:15:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

:KLAUS WILLIAM WIK (kwi@stud.hsn.no) wrote:
:: 	Be carefull.Vision youresl a shield and NEVER try OOBE if you have 
:: abad feeling of it.
:: 	 There are other OOBE's that may try to enter your body, and if they 
:: do, your line is cut; you are without a body (if you cant find another OOBE'
:: r) exactly:DEEP TROUBBLE.
:: 	Second: allways be carefull with your line. Several reports etc. 
:: mention the silver thread between you and the body. Be carefull never to 
:: exend it to far, again there is a bad feeling. Never restrain when the 
:: string pulls you back. Its a reason for it.
:: 

This group seems to get a rather high proportion of alarmists.

Here's what is taught in esoteric Tibetan yoga about this. 

Yes, there are astral beings that can get you. 8[=]

However, every night when you dream you go out of body, anyway. 

Nibblers are an example of beings that just want your energy. In the
short term, it will tire you out. In the long term, it will look as if
you dropped a few too many tabs in your time. Astral beings are about
as trustworthy as your average human. Some are quite nice, some will
mug you, some will try to con you. Just like physical people, eh.
However, as they are experienced in the astral, and you are not, they
can see things and tell you things that make you think they're OK, but
if they just want your energy, maybe they just tell you what you want
to hear, so they can keep you around.

Sounds like when your average rural person visits New York. Naivite
could land you in trouble. (Or if a New Yorker goes out to the country
;-). 

I think anyone who chooses to go oob should go into it just as they
would entering a new physical situation. Be cautious, learn what's
going on, learn the ins and outs a bit, and hope you haven't
inadvertently decided to visit the astral equivalent of the South
Bronx. But who knows, maybe you've gone to astral Tahiti. ;-)

These are the sort of cautions I have been given. And just like I
don't tell a country person to avoid NYC, just be careful, I say the
same to oobe'ers.

Of course, it would carry much more weight if an experienced oobe'er
discusses such issues. 

I think an interesting experiment would be if an oobe'er were to note
their level of energy at various intervals after particular oobe's.

Since I don't have experience, myself, I give this information with a
hefty grain of salt.

			Happy projecting,
				Lorenzo
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From: alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR)
Subject: Re: TLR (was Re: List of books on oob)
Keywords: TLR
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:15:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.202438.5813@seq.uncwil.edu> brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis) writes:
>dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon) writes:
>
>>	People who read TLR are invariably affected by his books one way or 
>>another. I wish I could keep this thread alive for a little while longer, 
>>so if there is anyone who would like to share, on the net or in private,
>>what has affected them, how and why, perhaps the discussion would prove 
>>useful, if not entertaining. (My personal mailing address is still open, if
>>you have caught it in the "Children of the **" posting.)
>
>
>A few years ago, I read T Lobsang Rampa's book, _The Third Eye_.
>I thought it was extremely interesting - especially the part
>about physically "liberating" the third eye.  TLR seemed to add
>a real physical dimension to by spiritual studies.
>
>I am now reading (along with about 20 books) _The Cave of the
>Ancients_.  Thanks alot for your previous post with titles and
>synopsis.
>
>Since you have the collection...  Could you possibly condense and
>post TLR's technique for astral projection?  Thanks alot!

I would also like to know about TLR's techniques for astral projection. Having read one of his books a LONG time ago (I have since forgotten the name of the book - but have never forgotten his ideas) I am extremely interested. If by any chance you cannot post, please mail. Thanks.

AcEzE.

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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: Projection... How to do it?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:22:05 GMT

org4688@zeus.tamu.edu writes:

>I am looking for information on how to meaningfully astrally project.
>Do you know where I can get a sort of handbook or something on how to
>have an OOB?  Without having to be sick from a disease (a relative of mine
>OOB'd while down with Tetanus) that is.

>Do you really believe that possesion of another can happen while that other
>is out travelling.?  I think so but how do you identify vacant bodies from
>dead or occupied ones?  And once inside can you make that your new home.
>Kinda scary if you ask me.

>My relative who had this experience said that a study was made to determine
>the exact time a person died (that is the study gathered data on a persons
>brain patterns , heart patterns etc... while she/he was in the process of
>dying.).  However, in the process they found that when a person died the 
>person at the time of death lost about 1/4 th of a pound of mass.  Whether
>it is true or not is unknown to me but I tend to believe him he has no 
>reason to lie to me, or his wife or the rest of his family.  So if so
>do you think that if projectors are studied do you think that they will
>(while not dying) show a loss of mass in the same way.?

>Thanks in advance...
>:


I have heard about this loss of mass at death concept.  I had heard it
was about an ounce...  I don't know if this is some sort of urban
legend or whatever but I would like to see the source of this
conjecture.  Does your relative have any source for this info?  Please
post.

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From: dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon)
Subject: Re: Wow, I just had my first OOBE!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:43:58 GMT

Jabir Hussain (jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: Hi folks,

: Earlier tonight, after reading this newsgroup, I went to bed and decided
: to try out this oobe business.  I tried to relax myself and let things
 [stuff deleted]
: I went to bed early tonight for precisely that reason.  Right now, however,
: I feel great...

	Congratulations! Your experience sounds familiar too!
	Kind of being reminded of my first oobe, back in 1989, in this,
	a starless night.


The star gazer ***

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				<-- still starless night :-).

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From: me@cublab9.cl.msu.edu (My Account)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: My own experience (was: RE: BODY POSITION and SLEEP PARALYSIS)
Keywords: sleep, paralysis
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:48:54 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cublab9.cl.msu.edu

I have indeed encountered something very similar to temporary paralysis while  
leaving a dream state (not an intended, self-induced OOBE).  I found myself (on  
several but infrequent occasions) apparently waking from sleep and being unable  
to move, or do much of anything.  Let me tell you, it was a VERY scary moment.   
I have done much reading in the realm of OOBE and astral projection, but  
haven't practiced it at all.  I have heard conflicting opinions on what to do.

The circumstances would lead one to believe, according to your classification  
schema, that I was encountering a type B paralysis.  Should I NOT resist this?   
Is my physical life in jeopardy during this type of paralysis?

Also, I have heard, but do not remember much, of a chemical that is released  
during the body's journey toward REM sleep that does just that: paralyzes the  
muscles so that, as we realistically dream, we don't carry out the actions in  
the physical world as well.  Does anyone out there have any more information on  
this?  What is this drug?  Has it been linked to sleep walking?  Paralysis?

Thanks!

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Subject: Re: Mass o' Astral Body
From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:02:45 GMT

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On 6 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original Sender: org4688@zeus.tamu.edu (GARCIA, OSCAR RENE)
>
> Ah, but how to get an astral body to the lab for weighing.  Which makes me
> wonder, for those of you do OOB how do you decide where to go?  Suppose I
> wanted to say hello to a friend in Colorodo (well at least do an Astral fly
> by) do you visit places and can you see the real world and hear conversations
> etc...
> :
>

It seems to me that the more comfortable you are in one place, the easier
it is to OOBE.  I have an easier time relaxing at my friend's apartment
then I do at my house (I live with my parents yet).  As far as travel is
concerned, I've heard of traveling long distances, though it supposedly
times a good deal of time to do so.  One friend said that he could go to
Florida (from Wisconsin), though it would take several hours.  It also
would take a lot of practice - and make sure you don't pull that silver
cord too hard.

Steve

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