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From: poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Karma
Date: 16 Oct 1992 17:05:59 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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Didn't Karma appear in an early issue of the New Warriors.  I seem to
remember it in the issue that the Fantastic Four also appeared in.
Apparently Marvel Boy was controlled by one of them to kidnap Johnny
Storm's wife Alicia.

At the end of that issue the brother was killed.  Or something  like
that.

Please corect me if I'm wrong.

-- 
Phil Poole	    |	Widener University SUN networks Co-manager
		    |	Widener University ACM Chapter President
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From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON)
Subject: Re: Fallen Angels
Summary: A synopsis
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:58:47 GMT

To all who may be interested,
    Fallen Angels was an eight issue mini-series from Marvel, basically 
dealing with Roberto DaCosta (Sunspot) trying to deal with himself after he 
used his super-strength on (and hurt) his teammate Cannonball. When Sunspot 
left the New Mutants at this time, Warlock tagged along.
    Sunspot and Warlock ended up involved in a group of young mutants called 
the Fallen Angels who operatedout of the Beat Street Club (or something like 
that. I'm going completely on memory here.) The Angels were organized by the 
Vanisher (an old, OLD foe of the X-Men, and I mean the ORIGINALS.) The 
Angels lived by stealing things.
    The lineup included :
    Boom-Boom, everyone's favorite time-bomb making prankster.
    Gomi, a spaz turned into a super-human with telekinetic force blast 
powers by two techies who idolized Marvel Girl (a.k.a. Jean Grey)
    Bill and Don, two super-strong lobsters also modified by the two 
techies, who were Gomi's pets (or was Gomi their pet? the lobsters were 
nearly humanly intelligent.)
    Ariel, an extra-terrestial with the ability to open a door and find 
any other door anywhere on the other side (i.e. space-warp powers.)
    Finally, there was Chance, an urchin with seemingly no powers.

    Madrox and Siryn joined up when they went looking for Sunspot and 
Warlock. Apparently, according to X-Factor, the Madrox who joined was a 
dupe, not the original. I don't know about this. I haven't followed X-
Factor lately, although I wish I could. (University student, and broke.)

    There were two other members: Devil Dinosaur, and Moon Boy, 
recruited by Ariel. (Yes, Devil Dinosaur, from the 70's).

    The entire thing turned out to be a plot by Ariel to bring mutants 
to her planet, the Coconut Grove, where all evolution had halted. Her 
leaders intended to use the mutants she brought to study and duplicate 
what caused them to mutate. It turned out that Ariel herself was a 
mutant, with the ability to charm people (it was described as "super 
confidence-games".) Chance also turned out to be a mutant: with a 
double or nothing power. She could either cancel powers, or make them 
twice as strong. Don got killed when Devil Dinosaur stepped on it. Bill 
actually saved most of the team on the Coconut Grove.
   
   One important note on Madrox: It was in Fallen Angels where an 
independantly thinking dupe was first created. This dupe was eventually 
reabsorbed, however. Also, a dupe of Madrox was killed on the Coconut Grove.
   
   I have no idea whatever happened to Chance, Ariel, Bill, Gomi, Devil 
Dinosaur or Moon Boy. Siryn and Boom-Boom are in X-Force. Madrox (the 
original, supposedly) is in X-Factor. Sunspot and Warlock rejoined the 
NM at the end of the L.S. The Vanisher? Who knows, who cares.

    Hope this was what you're looking for.


DMK
Acadia university, Nova Scotia, Canada.
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cyclops & Bishop
Keywords: Optic blasts, bio-blast absorption
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:38:32 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) writes:

>>I remember in the original Official Handbookd of the MU, Cyclops power
>>source for his "optic blasts" was unknown, ...[deleted]

>I think Cyclops' power source is Solar Energy...I think that once when
>he was away from the sun for a very long time (really early issues)
>his powers didn't work...and didn't until he came back into the  sunlight.
I guess great minds think alike! I remember it! I posted it!

>It seems he is a very good battery and stores unlimited amounts of energy
>or writers seem to have forgotten this.

I think they have forgotten/retconned-it-away.
You make the call...

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:34:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BvrsBs.96M@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun) writes:

>Well, here's my Multiple Man question: Is his only power the ability to
>make duplicates? If so, then how come none of the duplicates ever pass
>out when someone hits them. I mean, Cannonball runs into him and all
>that happens is more Jamies..what if Rictor hits him? Even more Jamies..
>It seems like either he is way too powerful i.e. he is "well nigh
>invulnerable" or the writers just ignore that some of these blows would
>be knocking some of the dupes out.
>
>Axly


I think the kenetic energy is redirected to making the dupe...he has tto have some energy source.  now there should be a limit of how much kenetic energy
he can absorb...at some point, there should be a blow that would not only
make a dupe, but also cause him (both of them?) pain.

Since he doesn't really feel the empact of the blow himself, he isn't hurt.
He is still subject to the momentum of the object that is hurled at him.
Cannonball would make another Jamie, but both Jamies would be knocked off his
feet (would another set of Jamies be created when they land on the ground?
most likely yes).  When "pure" kenetic energy, like gambit's cards would not
cause him to fall down, but just multiply.


Patrick
From: mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Storm's new power...
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:33:22 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>> I don't recall if Wipeout died or not.  Any way, my question is this:
>> 	Can Storm now continually be catalyst (since it's in her genetic
>> 	structure now) the next time another Wipeout equivalent zaps the 
>> 	X-men???

This is the perfect counter for Rogue!  Or for the power removal gun ---
how ironic!  I doubt that they'll do anything with this one, however.

Mike
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Alpha Flight Appearances
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:07:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <910252m.19.719092183@ace.acadiau.ca> 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:
>    Seriously, though, I have read practically EVERY appearance of the 
>Flight in any comic anywhere. I've even read the appearance in Crystar. Rest 

What issue of Crystar did Alpha Flight appear in?  I've got the Nightcrawler
issue (i told y'all i'm an X-Men completist :-), but i hadn't heard of the
AF appearance.

JRjr


-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Theory: Cable has a daughter!
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:07:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jrbell@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Bell) writes:

>Ok, here is the latest theory about Cable's family ties....

>^L
>In the future, after Cable has done with mucking about with the present,
>he has a sex-change operation and falls in love with.... SILVER SURFER.
>They have a child ... SILVER SURFER + CABLE = SILVER SABLE! Bwah hah!

No! You've got it all wrong!!

Rogue is Cable's daughter (with an Ovoid female).
Nightcrawler is Cable's son (with Mystique).

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: Jonathan_B_Bellack@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Jonathan Bellack)
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:40:20 GMT

In article <1atpheINNnla@agate.berkeley.edu>, joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
> 
> where Leech (whose power I think affects
> only mutants?  If I'm wrong, this part of my spiel is shot to hell,
> but oh well) cancels Rogue, and so she has to kick and punch without
> benefit of her Ms. Marvel superpowers.  In fact, I don't see why Rogue,
> at the point of having her absorbing power nullified, loses her Ms.
> Marvel powers FOREVER, since the only thing that's been keeping them
> there is Rogue's power.  If Rogue had absorbed, say, Nightcrawler
> prior to being cancelled, I think we all agree that she would stop
> looking like Nightcrawler when Leech cancels her, so why wouldn't
> she lose her Ms. Marvel powers as well?  The same thing applies with
> Wipeout's effect on her during Genosha.  Her powers never changed her
> physiology permanently; it never does.
> So that's why I believe that there is no way that Rogue could even
> keep her Ms. Marvel powers without her absorbing power, unless I'm
> wrong about how it works.
> 


I'd always been under the impression that with brief contact Rogue absorbs
powers temporarily, but there's some sort of 'critical point' of extended
contact after which she possesses the powers permanently.  Sort of an update
of your mother's warning that 'if you make that face for too long it'll
stick that way.' 8)

On this note, does anyone know how many times/when Rogue has been without her
powers for any length of time?  The only instance I can remember is during the
X-men/Alpha Flight limited series, where Maddie-->Anodyne 'healed' her.


                                --JonB
From: pjconley@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pat J Conley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: mutant???=mutate
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:08:20 GMT
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	i hate to be the one to burst everyon's collective
	bubble over Spiderman2099 and Miguel's being a mutant,
	but..............................................
	whoever posted that you have to be born with an
	X-factor chromosome is a mutant
	BlackBolt of the Inhumans is *not* because he was
	exposed to the Terrigen Mists in utero
	therefore, he and Miguel are mutates
	a mutate is a normal person that has his genetic
	matrix re-written, whether he gets powers or not

	pat

	next time i'll bring the cheese and crackers
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From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad)
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:54:00 GMT

Jonathan_B_Bellack@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Jonathan Bellack) writes:

>In article <1atpheINNnla@agate.berkeley.edu>, joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:

>On this note, does anyone know how many times/when Rogue has been without her
>powers for any length of time?  The only instance I can remember is during the
>X-men/Alpha Flight limited series, where Maddie-->Anodyne 'healed' her.


>                                --JonB

Well aside from the whole Savage Land business, there's only been the usual 
"X-Men get beaten, locked up (without thier powers) and have to get out again"
that's occured more times than I can safely remember.  Off the top of my head,
I can recall the following:

1) The first time the X-Men went to Genosha, Rogue got depowered by Wipeout 
   and locked up.  Somebody else posted that during that sequence, Rogue was
   supposed to have gotten raped by some Genoshan Magistrates, but that the
   rape was changed at the last minute to "The gurads got frisky".  Beats me
   if that's true or not, but that's what got posted...

2) There was the X-Tinction agenda, where just about every X-person got 
   depowered by Wipeout.

3) The afore-mentioned Savage Land escapade where Our Lady with the Stripe 
   was going around with only her absorbtion power, not the Ms. Marvel stuff.

4) There may or may not have been a power nulifier invloved when the Blue team
   got captured during the Omega Red affair.  It would make sense for them to
   use one, but I don't believe they ever explicitly said one way or another.

And there's probably more than that, but I don't recall them right now.  But 
its 2:54 in the morning where I am, so I'm probably forgetting a bunch of
things.

Jon Gad
jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song Part 5
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvu42n.7xy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:

>Well, it's time for some more gripes and spoilers from x-cutioner's song...
>
>OK, first the spoilers...

>The name on the slip of paper was Apocalypse, apparently.  Why was Val so
>surprised?

Umm..I thought the thing he flipped down was a photograph, and one of 
Stryfe.

>Is that Lorna's jaw brace or her head set that she's wearing on page 9?
>If it's a brace, why is she still wearing it?  If it her headset, why does
>she have it on while they're just hanging out?  The rest of the team is not
>wearing theirs.

She got her jaw broken a few issues ago, and oddly enough, she's actually
taking a normal human amount of time to heal. Kudos to the X-Factor
people in finally having a realistic healing curve on a character..

Axly
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: 2099 titles and X
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:09:32 GMT

In article <1bhl5jINN74t@uwm.edu> thanatop@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Donald Jacobson) writes:
[...]

>	The x-title in a 2099 format has possiblities if people would
>	just get their precepts for too many x-titles and time travel 
>	problems ignored.

I personally believe that any comic set outside of the main timestream
("now") had better be completely separated from "now" in order to be
moderately realistic. (That is, as realistic as comics can get, anyway.)
This would mean no time travel to/from the 20th century, no ancestors of
current characters, no characters existing in both time streams at the same
time, EVEN if they are immortal.  These are crutches used by writers that
don't want to work for their money.

>	if I was given an X-Men 2099 to work with, this is what I would do...
[...]
>	I think Cannonball as an adult could be the leader, only no more
>	of this 1-D Uncanny #295 stuff. That was awful. Make him more like
>	the adult cannonball of X-Force annual Shattershot.

Not bad.  In 2099, Sam Guthrie should be about 130 years old.  Not too
unreasonable for him to be running around fighting people 1/5th his age.
After all, he is a highlord, you know. :-)

>	The new team could have Cannonball, Bishop, The light babe from the
>	Witness episode (sorry, she was a bit like dagger/Psylocke and that
>	is all I remember...Jubilee (hyped up like in 285 against Mandarin),

Jubilee is a bit younger than Sam Guthrie, but not that much younger. :-)

>	some of the proposed characters in X-Force's annual Days of Future 
>	Present (Benjamin Franklin and co.)

All these people will be too in their 70s, too.  Days of Future
Past/Present is supposed to take place less than 30 years in the future,
not a century.


I WOULD buy, however, a mutant book written in the 2099 scope, IF it were
well written and had a new reason for banding mutants together again.  (I
don't think the original idea of uniting mutant kind with humans is going
to fall over as well as it did for the original X-Men.)

What I'm looking for is something fresh and done by a good writer.  I'm
reading (and liking) Spidey 2099, and I might pick up an issue of Doom
2099, but the rest of the stuff looks like old ideas brought out again
without much thought.

//Karthik
From: foregone@stein.u.washington.edu (Ah so Grasshopper!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: 2099 titles and X
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:26:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct15.002658.27522
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bw4s9J.BB1@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.203316.607@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>In article <SS.92Oct14142921@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>thanatop> spider so now he is a mutant!! (chew on that for a while)
>>>
>>>I thought you had to be born with the powers to be considered a
>>>mutant.
>>
>>and the one from 2099) are altered humans, not mutants.  You
>>could possibly call them mutates (Obscure Trivia Lad isn't real
>
>The Official, Mark-Gruenwald-Set-In-Stone Marvel Policy on Mutants vs.
>Mutates, at least as presented in the variations of the OHOTMU and some
>interviews I've read, is that a mutant is a person born with the power,
>while a mutate is a person who had the genetic ability to respond favorably
>to some form of outside, mutating force. The distinction between altered

Darn, does that mean Defender and Stargate are obsolete? :)
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From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON)
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn Thing
Summary: Madrox's powers
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:30:51 GMT

Netters,
     Just a note on everybody's favorite Mr. Madrox. His only power is to 
create duplicates, but the neat thing is that every time he's hit he seems 
to absorb the kinetic energy of the punch in the process of creating 
duplicates. This is a guy who was punched by the Thing and the only thing 
that happened is that there was twice as many of him.

DMK
Acadia University, N.S., Canada.

(who actually owned Madrox's first appearance for some time, and then lost 
it.)
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Alex & Lorna, or a very Sinister child....
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:57:25 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bw2y7L.IGD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v106qjh9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE HAT) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.031715.9418@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes...
>>In article <1992Oct7.143422.20572@urbana.mcd.mot.com> asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>>>IF (notice a big if) Sinister is the child of Alex and Lorna, the "logic" that
>>>you used would not support it at all! If Sinister is anyone's child, the most
>>>logical choice is Scott and Madelyne.
>>>	4) Only Scott's optic blast was able to hurt Sinister.
>> 
>>Actually, going from what we've been shown, this works exactly the wrong way.
>>Scott's blast can't hurt him, or his brother....  if Mr. Sinister were related,
>>the blast should be _unable_ to hurt him.
>
>I remember a while back while we were kicking the idea of a cable/stryfe/
>sinister relationship that we decided that it is possible that the immunity
>thing skips generations.  
>
>I was thinking if this is true maybe we could see if Scott's father, 
>what's-his-name, the one with the Starjammers.  See if he's immune to Scott's 
>power.

Obscure Trivia Lad says that Christopher Summers (Scott and Alex's dad,
and the source of the Christopher in Nathan Charles Christopher Summers),
operates with the Starjammers under the name Corsair.  Obscure Trivia
Lad also says that Corsair is a normal human, not a mutant, so he
would probably be vulnerable to Scott's power whether it skipped
generations or not.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Judas/PAD ?'s
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:21:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <22981@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>don't the X-Books follow lead of Excalibur's Alan Davis who is cleaning up the  
>messes in his books at phenomenal rates!  That's the way to do it.  I  
>personally don't have the nerve for 12-issue storylines, 1-line references to  
>events 25 issues ago (25 issues is 2 years and 1 month - damn long time), and  
>little obscure hints.  Even to let something go on in a book for 10 issues is  
>too long IMHO.

I'm not a big fan of the supercrossovers myself, although i do like long
story lines within a title if they are handled well.  I guess that's what
it all comes down to, how well the book is handled.  For example, IMHO the
ultimate X-Men storyline ever was the Dark Phoenix saga, subsequent retcons
not withstanding.  Clarmont and Byrne started dropping hints and foreshadowing
this storyline about a year or more before the storyline proper began
(i'm just guessing here, my books are at home).  It shows planning and
direction on the writer's part, something that seems to be basically absent
from the books nowadays.

As for the references, i love them.  They show that the author has at least
a passing familiarity with the history of the title (unless you screw it
up-see Scott Lobdell).  I very seldom go through a day without mentioning
events from my past.  In the same way, i like to see the characters refer
to past events relevant to what's going on in the book now.

For obscure hints, they are enjoyable if they are well done, but are
disastrous if poorly written.  For an example of the former, i refer once
again to the Dark Phoenix saga.  The mystery bad guy was a handsome guy
named Jason Wyngarde.  However, when he got caught in the headlights of a 
car, his shadow on the wall was that of Mastermind, who hadn't been seen
in the x-men for some time.  Astute readers caught the hint and figured
out who the villain was.  For examples of bad use of hints, see the new
issues of most of the x-books, where the hints have all the subtlety of
a sledgehammer, and then they change the plot when the readers figure out
the hint.

Anyway, i've rambled on enough.  Any thoughts?

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JRjr
-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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