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From: erkam@sioux.ctr.columbia.edu (Yusuf Murat Erkam)
Subject: UEFA Kupasi
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Distribution: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:09:36 GMT
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UEFA Kupasi 1.tur rovans macinda :

Botev Plovdiv - Fenerbahce : 2-2

Fenerbahce ilk maci 3-1 kazanmis oldugu icin tur atladi...

-- 
| Yusuf Murat Erkam                                                           |
| Center for Telecommunications and Research     e-mail:erkam@ctr.columbia.edu|
| Columbia University			      			              |
| New York, N.Y. 10027                                                        |
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE: Voice of Turkey (fwd)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:19:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Forwarded message:
>From CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU!CUTCV2.BITNET!S_S_CONS Wed Sep 30 22:01:11 1992
Message-Id: <9209301652.AA17058@uu4.psi.com>
Date:     Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:49 EDT
From: <S_S_CONS%CUTCV2.BITNET@uu4.psi.com>
Subject:  RE: Voice of Turkey
To: trh@jack.sns.com
X-Original-To:  trh@jack.sns.com, S_S_CONSULT

Iyi gunler,

Asagidaki gonderiyi sanirim Subat 1992 de TEL'e yollamistim.  Ilgilenenler icin
yeniden geciyorum.

Not:  Programin yayin suresi 4 Ekim 1992 Pazar gununden itibaren yarim saatten b
ir saate cikarilacak.

-S. S. Seferoglu
=============================================================
Selam,

        New York ve cevresinde yasayanlarin ilgilenebilecegi bir duyurum var.

New York'ta 23 Subat 1992 tarihinden itibaren televizyonda yarim saatlik bir (Tu
rkce) yayin yapilmaya baslandi:

                "VOICE  OF  ANATOLIA"
                        TURKIYE

Televizyon yayini,  Cablolu televizyona (Cable TV) abone iseniz 6. kanalda (WNYE
 TV) veya UHF siteminde 25. kanalda izlenebilinir.
New Jersey ve Connecticut eyaletlerinde hangi kanallardan izlenebilecegini bilmi
yorum.

Program Pazar gunleri ogleden sonra 3:30 - 4:00 saatleri arasinda yayinlaniyor.


Programin yapimcisi  Aliye AK.
Bilgi almak icin telefonu:  (718) 445-5295
Adresi:         142-09 Barclay Avenue
                Flushing, NY 11355


Suleyman Sadi Seferoglu
=============================================================
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 500LB OF POTASSIUM CYANIDE STOLEN
Date: 1 Oct 1992 23:35:56 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

500LB OF POTASSIUM CYANIDE STOLEN

Thieves have stolen about 500lb  of the deadly chemical potassium
cyanide, enough  to poison  the population  of the  former Soviet
Union, from a plant in Kyrgyzstan, the Itar-Tass news agency said
yesterday.

The agency  said the poison,  which smells of bitter  almonds and
causes dizziness, convulsions, collapse  and agonising death, had
gone missing  in the  past month  from the  plant in  the Central
Asian republic.

"This huge  quantity of cyanide  (is) enough to  poison virtually
the whole population of  the Commonwealth of Independent States,"
Tass said. "If (it) is in  the hands of criminal elements, we can
expect the very worst."

All  branches  of  Kyrgyzstan's security  and  interior  ministry
police were trying to track it  down, but so far had only managed
to arrest  one courier  who was  found a month  ago with  13lb of
cyanide, Tass said. - Reuter

THE GUARDIAN, 26 September 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tekman@ecn.purdue.edu (Erkan Tekman)
Subject: Re: THE WORLD BLAMED FOR US FRIENDLY FIRE TRAGEDY
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:33:31 GMT

In article <39007@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (GOTCHA!) writes:
|> 
|> >accident.  But  a retired  Turkish  naval  officer, Nihat  Topuz,
|> >voiced the suspicions  of many compatriots when  he suggested the
|> >Muavenet  may  have been  targeted  by  an anti-Turkish  US  crew
|> >member. "The ethnic background of  those in the fire control room
|> >of the  US carrier should  be carefully checked," Mr  Topuz said.
|> >"They might be Armenians or Greeks."
|> 
|> Hahahahaha what a funny person this officer :)))
|> He forgot the Kurds, the Assyrians, the African National Congress and of 
|> course the Irish Republican Army in his suspicions. :))
|> 
|> 
|>      -Helgge
|>                             

Sure he is a funny person, that ex-officer, I should say as funny as you are ;-)

His mind is preoccupied with the thought of [Armenians/Greeks/Kurds] who eat raw
meat, slaughtering [Turks] when they are on the mood and getting their warfare
ready for the next massacre in their leisure time.

Now dear, exchange the words in the parantheses. Sounds familiar? Nope? Then read
the last few articles you posted. Still not? Don't you have your eyeglasses on or
what?

|>                              "We have on our hands a sick man,-
|>                               a very sick man."
|>                              -Nicholas I of Russia about Turkey

                                 Hope the illness is not contagious,
                                 you are hanging around him a lot these days.

-- 
Erkan Tekman
School of Electrical Engineering
Purdue University

tekman@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The Armenian genocide of 204,001 Azeris.
Date: 30 Sep 1992 03:40:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au


There was one more: his name was Mutlu.


jw



Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Micheal Polymenakos has Os/2 installed in his 486-33 Mhz PC but he doesn't know how to read a sentence
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:20:17 GMT


> The photograph of scores of dead Kurds lying on the ground published in
> today's (Oct 2,'92) NY Times provides us with a glimpse of what happens
> to those Kurds who do feel like providing the Turkish Government with 65
> page confessions. According to the NY Times, over 200 Kurds were killed
> by Turkish forces, the week before.

> Micheal

Hello Micheal,

Again another example of partial-reading of newspapers. When are you
gonna learn reading an article, ha Micheal? Probably when you see
an article about Turkiye, you get excited and don't read all of it.

Okey, go through that photo and read the sentence below it. Also repeat 
the same process 100 times (not 95 times he he he). Then tell us what 
it was written over there. This time be careful about blind-copying of 
that sentence. If you don't understand I'll write that sentence 100
times and send you. he he he he

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992 
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From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Amerikan secimleri ve Turkler
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:32:49 CDT

Selamlar,

Bildiginiz gibi Amerikan politikacilari sandik basina
gitmeyen ve elinde kendilerini dogrudan etkileyecek
bir guc de bulundurmayan guruplari kolayca ihmal 
edebiliyorlar. Bu durumda, Amerika'ya yerlesmis Turklerin
seslerini idarecilere duyurmalari icin sandik basina
gitmeleri sart. En azindan en kolay yollarindan birisi bu.
Baska yollari olsa da. Ancak bazi problemler olabilir.
Mesela, ben oy kullanamiyorum ama kullansaydim simdiki
adaylarin hic birisine vermek istemezdim. O zaman ne
yapmak lazim?

Benim dusundugum, belki uygulamasi zor ama, oy hakki olan
tum Turklerin mutlaka sandik basina gitmeleri ve begendikleri
bir aday yoksa, gecersiz oy kullanmalari. Ve bunu cesitli
kanallar yardimiyla duyurmalari. Yani biz su kadar insan
sandik basina gidiyoruz ve biz ne Bush'un uzun boyuna ne
de  Clinton'in yakisikliligina bakiyoruz. Bizi ilgilendiren,
buradaki Turklerin meselelerine kimin sahip ciktigidir. Kim
sahip cikarsa oylari alir. Profesyonelce bir alis-veris.

Sadece bir fikir. Guc sahibi olmak sadece sandik basina
gitmekle olacak is degil. Basin organlari olmasi lazim sizi
destekleyecek ya da kontrolunuz altinda, organize olmaniz
lazim. Acikca konusmak gerekirse, ne TSA'ler ne de TACA'lar
bu isleri yapamiyor. Ama biryerlerden baslamak gerekiyorsa,
sandiktan baslayabiliriz. Yani oy kullanma hakki olanlar.

Ne dersiniz? 

Hoscakaliniz,
-Soner yamen@cae.wisc.edu
From: 988fernandez@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: d
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:44:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

denemeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Accident in the Aegean sea
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:21:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



  My tax dollars at work. Based on my IRS return, I give $8.72 every
year to Turkey, and over $6,000 to the Pentagon so that they can go out
there and play games like that. All this in one of the most travelled
closed seas of the world. This could have very easily been a commercial
ship, with hundreds of civilians aboard. Unfortunately, Ankara and the
Pentagon do not seem to care, just like they don't seem to care about
the lifes of all the Turkish sailors who were killed in this incident,
and in the incident 5 years ago when two Turkish landing boats collided
in the Aegean 5 or so years ago.

  Meanwhile, while the turkish fleet is annually endangering the lifes
of its own crews and countless civilians in the Aegean, they want Greece
to demilitarize the Eastern Aegean isles, based on creative
interpretations of unrelated treaties. What the EEC 12 described as
"[Turkeys] reluctance to apply the principles of international law to
its differences of opinion with Greece" (Brussels 18 Jun 87) is the
primary cause behind these accidents, and all this needless loss of
life.

Michael.
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Fenerbahce-Botev Plovdiv (fwd)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:34:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Forwarded message:
>From MAINE.maine.edu!IO20332 Sat Oct  3 12:45:06 1992
Subject: Fenerbahce-Botev Plovdiv
Message-Id: <IO20332.921003144640@maine.maine.EDU>
From: IO20332@MAINE.maine.edu
To: trh@jack.sns.com
Date:    Sat, 03 Oct 92 14:46:40 EDT

Merhaba
Macin uzerinden biraz zaman gecti ama yeni bir-iki ayrinti
geldi.
Botev 4.cu dakikada one gecmis.
Fenerbahcenin tum zamanlarin en kotu futbolunu oynadigi ve
defansinin buyuk aciklar verdigi macta Ridvan super oynamis.
Ridvanin ilk yarinin sonlarina dogru attigi gole Botev bir
dakika sonra cevap vermis.Ilk yari skoru 2-1.
Ikinci yarida Botev daha baskin oymamis,ozellikle Hakan'nin
57. dakikada gordugu kirmizi karttan sonra. Bu baskili dakikalarda
Botev bir penalti kazanmis ve atisi Engin kurtarmis.
Ridvanin yetmisinci dakikarda attigi golle durum 2-2 olmus.
Macin geri kalan dakikalari "bir o kalede bir bu kalede"
seklinde gecmis. Baska gol olmamis ve Fener ikinci turda.
                                      Bulent Erkmen
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in Turkey?
Summary: Help wanted for English-teaching job in Turkey.
Keywords: teach, English, Turkey
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:57:55 GMT

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor's degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who is interested in teaching in Turkey in 1993.  I
have a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) diploma as well as
experience in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in South Africa
and, ideally, this is the kind of teaching I would like to do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to go about trying to
arrange such a job - either before I leave South Africa or on my arrival
in Turkey.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: gt0702a@prism.gatech.EDU (Muzaffer Kayhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Avrupa Kupalari Sonuclari
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:16:28 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Besiktas-Goteborg macinin son on bes dakikasini radyodan dinledim.Besiktas

maci 2-1 kazanmasina ragmen ilk maci 2-0 kaybettigi icin elendi.

Spiker Fenerbahce ve Trabzonspor'un tur atladigini soyledi ancak skorlari

benim dinledigim sure icerisinde soylemedi.

Boylece Galatasaray ve Fenerbahce UEFA Kupasinda,Trabzonspor'da Kupa Galipleri

Kupasinda ikinci tura yukseldi.  

Besiktas'in gollerini Metin ve Feyyaz kaydetti.


-- 
Muzaffer Kayhan
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0702a
Internet: gt0702a@prism.gatech.edu
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: A RECENT POLL tells ...
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:41:44 GMT
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

According to a recent poll conducted by GALLUP/PIAR, 90% of the
people of Turkiye said that they were against a military coup and
would not support it. This overwhelmingly shows that there is no
chance for another succesful coup in Turkiye.

LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY

----------------------------------------------------------------
 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
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From: trh@jack.sns.COM ((Al Trh))
Subject: Erhan'dan mac sonuclari
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:29:39 GMT

Forwarded message:
>From ritvax.isc.rit.edu!AEMBBU Mon Sep 28 11:51:11 1992
Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:35:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: AEMBBU@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
To: TRH@MCIMAIL.COM, TRH@JACK.SNS.COM
Message-Id: <01GPBENC5OK2A24VMF@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
X-Vms-To: IN%"TRH@MCIMAIL.COM", IN%"TRH@JACK.SNS.COM"
Mime-Version: 1.0
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5.Hafta I. Lig sonuclari

Fenerbahce 1 - Ankaragucu 2
Trabzon 1 - Aydin 0
Besiktas 1 - Sariyer 0
Kayseri 1 - Galatasaray 1
Karsiyaka 2 - Bakirkoy 1
Bursa 4 - Altay 0
Kocaeli 5 - Konya 0
Genclerbirligi 1 - Gaziantep 0

Bu sonuclardan sonra Bursa 13 puan ve averajla birinci, Trabzon ayni
puanla ikinci, Kocaeli 12 puanla ucuncu.

Hoscakalin

Erhan
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "Darkside of the Moon" ->
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:51:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct5.235126.16109
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <9210052114.aa12329@gonzo.westford.ccur.com> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>
>	"Darkside of the Moon" is a song and album by Pink Floyd


Big news!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky)
Subject: >>CIS on the internet
Summary: EKONOMIKA DOLZHNA BYT' EKONOMNOI !
Keywords: CIS INTERNET KREMVAX ZHOPA
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:26:04 GMT

...Though it doesn't recognize Australia (see below): 
                                                                               
Tue Sep 29 13:06:26 +1000 1992                                                 
marlin.jcu.edu.au> f @kremvax.hq.demos.su                                      
[kremvax.hq.demos.su]                                                          
connect: Network is unreachable                                                
marlin.jcu.edu.au> host kremvax.hq.demos.su                                    
kremvax.hq.demos.su has address 192.91.186.8                                   
kremvax.hq.demos.su mail is handled by kremvax.hq.demos.su                     
kremvax.hq.demos.su mail is handled by moscvax.hq.demos.su                     
kremvax.hq.demos.su mail is handled by relay1.uu.net                           
kremvax.hq.demos.su mail is handled by relay2.uu.net                           
marlin.jcu.edu.au> telnet kremvax.hq.demos.su                                  
Trying 192.91.186.8...                                                         
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable               
marlin.jcu.edu.au> ftp kremvax.hq.demos.su                                     
ftp: connect: Network is unreachable                                           
ftp> bye                                                                       
marlin.jcu.edu.au> f @moscvax.hq.demos.su                                      
[moscvax.hq.demos.su]                                                          
connect: Network is unreachable                                                
marlin.jcu.edu.au> telnet moscvax.hq.demos.su                                  
Trying 192.91.186.148...                                                       
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable              
marlin.jcu.edu.au> zatrakhalsya ya kremvax fingirovat'!
marlin.jcu.edu.au> : sovok on i v Afrike sovok!


Vlad.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: Americans and movies: something's wrong
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
	<1992Sep26.003614.26980@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:55:57 GMT

lw2c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU writes:
^^^^

lw2c is exact name of one of the laser writers on our
local network. I can not sleep, I can not eat, 'cause I 
keep thinking 'bout why did the laser writer decide
to post a note to the s.c.s.???...

Neverojatno. Nichego ne ponimaju.

  _
/\EHbKA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:54:30 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Keywords: Russian students, "cookbook recipes."

In article <_j+prrb.oleg@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.142827.17509@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>Kind of strange - at least 4 grammar errors in  one paragraph.  Should be 
>>tough Ph.D.
>
>Grammar flames, like spelling flames, are a sign of a feeble mind and
>blatant disregard for the establised USENET conventions.  They look even
>worse when their author makes the same kinds of mistakes in his/her own 
>article.

1. Selective citation out of context is also a sign of a "feeble mind".
FYI - original article was about high quality of Ph.D. programs
for farmers in US as well as high quality of US public schools. 
And original author mentioned that he also works
toward his Ph.D. in aforementioned high quality program 
after finishing HS in US and university in US and 
proposed readers to visit local high quality HS.

2. Please, apply your posting to itself, and result of this application 
to own mind.

>Besides, those were typos, not simple grammar errors. 
So what? Is it OK for Ph.D. in US? Or typos are OK for HS graduate in US?
Explain, please - I know only education norms in Russia, where 
typos were (grammar) errors.
>-- 
>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path

Disclaimer: I never thought or told my English is error-free.
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:32:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEGLz.J3t
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>	Anyway, we can argue about the names, particular films,
>numbers etc., but one thing is obvious : In USSR cinema was ART, here
>it is very often something between dinner and desert, IN USSR WE DID NOT BYE
>POP-CORN IN THE MOVIES. Detail? Yes, but incredibly characteristic
>detail. 

There was no pop corn to buy first of all, second, in America it is a 
tradition which a lot of people like.  And last, Russian movie are not only
art, but also lots of junk.  During my visit to Russia 2yrs ago, I could
not find a desent movie to go to, it was mostly American Junk, or cheap
Russian movies, like "Lovushka dlya odinokogo muzhchinyi" which I saw for
lack of better.

---
Garik.
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Americans and movies: something's wrong
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:19:41 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <LEONID.92Sep25121233@tuna.uchicago.edu> leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.122353.15848@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>>   When I first came to America I was outraged by obnoxiousness
>>   of TV commercials and advertizing in general. Still,
>>   I think this is a matter of personal taste, but 
>>   for me TV commercials are most tasteless things I have
>>   seen in my life. If I watch TV more than 20 minutes,
>>   I feel an irresistible urge to smash it or throw.

>As far as I understand it, people who were born in this 
>country hate commercials in exactly the same way you do. But
>they've got some sort of "natural protection" against it: 
>they just don't notice these stupid commercials as well as
>you didn't pay any attention to the "Slava KPSS" posters
>on the soviet streets. 

[ an intelligent argument deleted ]

When I first came in America I have spoken with
one guy (who happened to be a math graduate student 
at Harvard and decently knows Russian, spending
some time in Russia). I expressed
the same view as Leonid here, and said that
in US commercials are the same as the idiotic
slogans "Slava KPSS" in Russia. He looked at me
as if I was mad and said that everybody here
*loves* commercials while in Russia everybody
hates slogans. Judging by some American netters
(like Bill Ross) on this board he was right.

IMO, TV commercials are incredible more offensive
than Slava KPSS slogans. If a kid watches a
children program which advertizes cookies,
he will believe it, while if he sees Slava
slogan he will disregard it. The reason
is very simple: Soviet slogans were just
stupid, while American ones are cunning,
and stress the emotional sphere. I suspect
this is why Americans won the Cold War.

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: US/RUSSIAN EDUCATION
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:47:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <97575@bu.edu> gene@cs.bu.edu (Gene Itkis) writes:
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>............................................... coming back to american
>education, there is a lot of pressure on students to put grades ahead of
>knowledge and (perhaps even more important) intellect ("thinking skills",
>though I do not like the word "skills"). There is also a pressure to learn
>buzz-words and have them in the certificate too.
...

    The pressure comes from the employment hiring practices.

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