HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Emergency
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:38:05 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.132344.10917@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>	Well I had my first emergency this morning. It seems that the power
>line was downed by a tree. I awoke to a very cold tank since the heater was not
>on and the apartment was FREEZING. I put Tabatha in a fanny pack with a bunch
>of cloth and a hand warmer. What emergencies have you all had and what did you
>do about it?  Is there any way to back up the heater if you are going away for
>a week or so?

I have a Kerosun I bought for just these emergencies.  The few times I've needed
it it's been flawless, if smelly.

As for week long absences, go in the summer.

cheers,
gerard
From: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (William Hodgeman Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Chinese Water Dragons
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:43:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

The last time I was in a pet store, one of the salespeople tried
to sell me on a Chinese Water Dragon as an alternative
to an iguana.  Does anyone out there have one?  Any
comments?  How large do they grow, and how well do they tame?

Bill

(hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: More Gecko Gifs
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:09:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Is there an ftp site somewhere that these Gecko Gifs can be obtained?
(We don't get the alt.* groups...)

Jon

-- 
Jonathan R. Edwards                         "In the darkest depths of Mordor,
gt6441c@prism.gatech.edu                     I met a girl so fair..."
Georgia Institute of Technology                     -'Ramble On,' Led Zepplin
From: berk@techsys.mcws.fidonet.org (Berk Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: 2 southern alligator lizards needed NOW LA area
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:08:35 PST
Organization: Private for Now

(818) 766-8993 berk

Berk Walker                           berk@techsys.mcws.fidonet.org

Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: jthomaso@nmsu.edu (THOMASON)
Subject: old worlders needed...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:12:56 GMT



  A buddy of mine is looking for either jacksons or other spp. of old
world chameleon.  Anyone with one for sale etc. please drop me a
line..
From: dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: EMERGENCY!!! SNAKE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:00:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I fed my 4 foot burmese python a large rat two days ago. Today I looked in the
cage and found to my surprise that the python's had increased in size
considerably. My concern is that I do not know if this is normal (it never
happened before) or if this is a serious problem.  Any advice would be greatly
appreciated!   Thanks a lot!

    -Dan
-- 
*******************************************************************************
*Dan McCauley       (Lair of Sam, Lisa, Spot, Spot II, and Victoria)
*                              ...with carcasses of dead smelly vermin!
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:23:12 -0500 
From: "Jennifer E. Swofford" <IGUANA+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cactus for Boa - Does this sound right????

Heh - that reminds me - I was letting my iguanas roam around my room for
a while a couple weeks ago (yes, they were unattended for a few minutes)
and when I returned to my room, I couldn't find 'em anywhere.  Finally I
did - they had climbed up my cactus and were sitting on top.  This
cactus is about 3.5 feet high.  It's pretty prickly.  But, they didn't
seem to mind...

-------------------------------------------------------
Jennifer E. Swofford     

iguana+@cmu.edu   

Formerly affiliated with Carnegie Mellon University
Potentially affiliated with Carnegie Mellon University
-------------------------------------------------------
From: gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Herp First Aid
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:21:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


   I have a Sailfin dragon that was burned by a "hot rock"
(that I promptly removed).  He was badly burned at the base
of his fifth digit (finger??) on one of his front feet.  There is now
a rather disgusting looking wound there that *may* get infected.  What
is the best way to sterilize this and remove the dead digit?  (Or is
that even what I should do?)

Thanks, and I guess I've learned my lessons about hot rocks....


Jon

-- 
Jonathan R. Edwards                         "In the darkest depths of Mordor,
gt6441c@prism.gatech.edu                     I met a girl so fair..."
Georgia Institute of Technology                     -'Ramble On,' Led Zepplin
From: voorhees@sdd.hp.com (Joe Voorhees)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: 3rd Gecko GIF
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:42:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlm14.sdd.hp.com

In alt.binaries.pictures.misc look for another gecko gif... this one's 
name is uroplatus.gif (in 4 parts). It's of Uroplatus fimbriatus, the
Madagascar flat-tail gecko.

The photo depicts the lizard at about 1/2 actual size.

Join the International Gecko Society (N.P.O.)

Joe
voorhees@sdd.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Cactus for Boa - Does this sound right????
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.213800.19119@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) writes:
>I was wondering if I could put a small moon cactus (red caps type), it doesn't
>have any spurs that are sharp enough to injure the snake.  Thanks!!!

It might look very nice in the cage until the boa crawls over it, breaks a
few branches and knocks over the pot.  8^)

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Chem hand-warmers (was Re: Emergency)
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:44:53 GMT
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov18.174336.22200@sco.com>, kamalm@sco.COM (Kamal A. Mostafa) writes:
>
>jmm7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.M. Maurer) writes:
> | 
> | ...But this made me think about getting a large quantity of the
> | small chem hand warmers.  You can get them at any sporting goods stores
> | and they last 8+ hours....
> | 
>
>I've wondered about the chemical hand-warmers too...  Is there any chance
>that a herp could bite (or claw) thru the plastic container-baggie and
>get to the chemicals?  I suspect that the stuff is pretty toxic.
>
>Has anybody actually used these things for herps, with or without incident?
>
>-k


	Sounds risky.....I used hand warmers that are bio safe.  The main
ingredient seems to be like saw dust or small(very small) wood chips.

                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

P.S.
----
Live long and prosper.                   
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: jallard@microsoft.com (James 'J' Allard)
Subject: Iguana questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:22:06 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I'm new to the mailing list, and have a pair of green iguanas. Thought
I'd ask a few simple/obvious questions:

- I have 2 female iguanas. 1 is about 1.5 years, the other about 1.2 years.
The older one went through a growth spurt about 6 months ago where it
nearly doubled in size. The younger never has. Right now, the older one
is almost twice the size of the younger one. They are in a 3'x3'x4' cage
and live pretty happily together, although they do "the bob" a couple 
times a day. Is the bigger one intimidating the little one to the extent
that it is stunting its growth?  (for future reference, ACK is the older
one, NAK is the younger) 

- I have sand on the ground, and feed them dogfood, veggies and fruits.
They really like the dogfood and I'm told it's a good source of calcium.
I've read on the newsgroup that both are bad. Could someone be more specific
if this is the case?

- From time to time, their appetite (especially NAK's) tends to slow down.
Has anyone come up with a great way to increase their interest in food?

- I have their case regulated at about 80 on the ground, and 105 at the
very top (well, they can barely get up there) using a chicken incubator
thermostat. I use an infared heat lamp that goes on and off all day. Is this
freaking them out big time? Since my office is air-conditioned (about 65),
I figure that this is the safest way to warm them. They have cross-logs to
regulate themselves, and I hear hotrocks are really bad.

- Does anyone have (or is anyone interested) in iguana gifs? I have a baby
picture or two of ACK that might be worth posting. I plan on doing some new
ones soon. If there's interest, I'll uuencode them for the newsgroup..
Contact me directly if you want it by e-mail. I'd be interested in seeing
other people's iggies as well.

- Finally, I adopted an iguana that came from a battered family life 
(one of the kids ripped its tail off etc). Anyway, it's about the size of
ACK, so I'm guessing 2 years old. This one is crazed though, and it doesn't
look quite right. I've been baby-ing it since I got it, and it looks a little
better, but still is a little funny. The spikes down the spine are really 
ragged looking, the color is more towards crayola green than olive green, and
it's wild as hell. It's bit me twice (drawing blood both times) and whips
me with its tail everytime I go near. It's been about 2 months and its
not getting any better...any clues? Also, the tail is about 1/2 the length
of ACK's, and 1/2 of it is black (from where it got ripped off). It doesn't 
appear to be healing any better than that. Does anyone have any experience?

Sorry for the length and quantity of questions, but I'm very eager to 
hear from other owners so ACK, NAK and Gonzo can all live healthier lives..

J. Allard
(jallard@microsoft.com)
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: How long do you leave food / water out?
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:05:39 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

Wate for your ig....

All I can tell you is that when my Ig was little He would go to his water dish
every morning when the sun came out, Take a drink wade around in the water, and
then poop in it.  If you weren't up at 5:30 am to see this you would never know
he did anything (other than to see the obvious)  Because of this, we change the
water at least once a day.
From: njl@druhi.ATT.COM (Nancy J. LaRoche)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Darwin was neutered!
Summary: I've never had to use an e-collar on a bunny...
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:11:23 GMT
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Nov18.153622.16034@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> Darwin...was neutered on Oct. 25th or so...
> ...left his Elizabethan collar off overnight, so he chewed
> out all his sutures and ended up with an open wound that had to granulate
> ...finally I began to leave off the collar because it was changing him into
> an irritable, hand-shy bun...
> Ugh, it was not a fun two weeks.

What an ordeal!!  Frankly, I'm amazed.  I've never put an Elizabethan
collar on any of the dozens of bunnies I've had neutered this year and
I've never had a bit of trouble!  In fact, I've never used it on any of the
females, either, and only once had a problem--and that happened immediately
after the spaying, before I got her home.  The vet switched from stitches
to stapels and glue (not a joke, in case you don't know about this
technique) and we planned to belly-band her if she continued to mess with
it--which she didn't.

I would hate to use an E-collar for a bunny because not only would it be
extremely stressful (and stress in rabbits is likely to lead to serious
illness), but it would make it impossible for them to harvest their cecal
droppings in a normal manner.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have--obviously, you had to do something since
he was mutilating himself!  I'm just surprised that you had such an
ordeal.

All of my rabbits come home the same day as the surgery.  The males never
seem to know that anything was done.  The females spend a day or two a
little quieter than normal, and then take up normal activity.  I would
really like to know why we have had such different experiences...I wonder
if it has anything to do with our vets using different techniques or
something...

What about others out there?  What have your experiences been?  Anyone have
any ideas about what could make such a difference between this poster's and
my experiences?

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!druhi!njl
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah Stockwell)
Subject: Re: Help! I am desperite
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.002459.5251@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robin J Nakkula) writes:
> 
> It sounds like poor Mickey has mites.  We've never been able to cure them
> when they've popped up in our rats; simply quarantine those rats from all
> our others (for the rest of their lives) to keep it from spreading.  I
> believe that about 10 years ago the only suggestion we got was to cut
> off a piece of a Shell No-Pest Strip, and paste it to the upper corner
> of the cage where the rattie couldn't get at it (we never put this into
> practice so I don't know if it will work. Perhaps your vet has a newer or
> better suggestion for mites.  Sorry.

My rat had the same problem.  I got rid of them with a special insecticide
shampoo that I bought at my vet's.  It involved bathing the rat (fill a tub
with a couple of inches of lukewarm water and deposit the rat; splash and
rub the rat until it's soaked.  Rats don't appreciate this, by the way),
then shampooing it all over and rubbing the lather in well, onto its skin. 
Then the rat has to sit (out of water) for something like five minutes
while the insecticide does its thing.  I held my rat on the side of the
tub, with my hands cupped around her because she shivered with cold.  Then
you rinse the rat in the tub (same technique as wetting it), gently towel
it dry, and release the rat into its cage.  Make sure you have cleaned the
cage, disposing of _all_ bedding (anything that isn't metal, actually) in
between removing the rat for the bath and putting the rat back.  Repeat
(including cage cleaning) for three days running.  

This got rid of the mites on both my rat and my sister's.  I forget what
the shampoo is called, sorry.  Your vet might know.  It was blue, in a
green-and-blue-and-white bottle, if that helps any.  It's not sold in pet
stores, so far as I know.  Good luck!  Let me know how it turns out.

--Sarah

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: What to feed rats..
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:51:25 GMT

In <1992Nov23.031432.7186@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:


>Help! My flatmates have left for a week, and they have left me a note
>suggesting that I leave some food on the floor every so often for their
>pet rats. I left out a dimsim last night, and it was gone this morning, so
>either it was accepted or we have cockroaches MUCH bigger than I realized.
>I don't want to feed them just dimsims for a week, however. Any suggestions?

Try bird seed, cat kibble, carrots, greens or most any leftovers. They are
supposed to really like sweets like chocolate but i dont suppose thats 
so good for them.

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: re: buns and leashes
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:10:23 GMT

I tried using the rabbit/ferret harness on "Fluffy" and DID NOT LIKE IT.
I would adjust it and the next thing I knew it was too tight.  Finally, I
went to a pet supply store and bought a small dog harness.  (I think it was
size 4 - difficult to find but possible.)  Fluffy did not like it at first -
tried to bite it off.  Now she has no problem with it.  I then would tie her
outside with a long piece of macrame cord but she bit through that (fortunately
she returned to out back porch which was open).  After that scare, I  bought
a very very light weight chain for tying out small dogs (got at grocery).
It works great.  Fluffy gets out on nice days and I don't have to worry about
her suddenly disappearing.  I do need to keep a close eye on her because of
stray cats.  My dog (her step-mom) keeps an eye on her as well so all are
happy.

Mary Ann
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: let's talk cows
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:26:13 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <viking.721965628@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon) writes:
>>>sbp2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SARA BETH PIWOWAR) writes:
>>>
>>>>COWS make great pets; everyone should check this out.
>
>>Aren't they a little rough on the furniture?
>
>	Yeah, and they're pure hell on the carpet!
>
And you have to use a shovel to clean out the litterbox.....

------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
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From: sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah Stockwell)
Subject: Re: fancy mice and genetics
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.155448.6956@newstand.syr.edu>,
bmheap@rodan.acs.syr.edu () writes:
> 	I am interested in information on mice and mice breeding.  I have
> read that there is an organization called The American Fancy Rat and Fancy
> Mouse Association and I'd like to know how to get in touch with them and/or

Actually, it's the American Fancy Rat and Mouse Association.  I don't have
their address, though.  Sorry.  I found out about them at the county fair;
maybe yours will have a show too?  They were on a table among the rabbits
and the guinea pigs :-).

--Sarah
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: What to feed rats..
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 05:57:21 GMT

adwright@iastate.edu writes:

>In <1992Nov23.031432.7186@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:


>>Help! My flatmates have left for a week, and they have left me a note
>>suggesting that I leave some food on the floor every so often for their
>>pet rats. I left out a dimsim last night, and it was gone this morning, so
>>either it was accepted or we have cockroaches MUCH bigger than I realized.
>>I don't want to feed them just dimsims for a week, however. Any suggestions?

>Try bird seed, cat kibble, carrots, greens or most any leftovers. They are
>supposed to really like sweets like chocolate but i dont suppose thats 
>so good for them.
Yes; as I was walking through a shopping centre this morning I saw on a
TV screen chocolate listed as good *bait* for mice and rats (along with
dried potatoes and a few other things). Not that chocolate is poisonous,
but rather that they like it.
  Last night I left out two dimsims for them, but they had been left
untouched this morning (it was a different sort of dimsim and it tasted
relatively bad, I tried one myself on the way home). Today I was advised
by a friend who used to have a pet rat that she used to feed hers bread
soaked in honey (!!), I think.

From: almanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bob Alman)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:44:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Buns and "leashes?"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets

My daughter "walks" her bun with a rabbit leash. While they really don't walk
like a dog, they do hop around and I haven't seen any adverse reaction to it.
Actually, now that I think of it, the rabbit walks her. She just follows him
around. While we are inside, we let him run free but I don't want him outside
without restraint. If he takes off there are a million places he could go and
we'll never get him. He'll be coyote food for sure. Anyway, they are simply a
single line which forms a loop where you put the bunny's head in and a length
of free line with a clasp on the end which goes behind the front legs and clips
to the junction point on the bunny's back. It should be simple enough to make.
Bob
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry)
Subject: Getting kitten to use cat box???
Summary: How do I get kitten to use a cat box?
Keywords: kitten, catbox
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:59:17 GMT

We have two new kittens, one 12 weeks old and the other 6 weeks old.  They
both prefer to go urinate and defecate on the newspaper under the cat box,
as well in various places around our house, rather than in the cat box.  I'd
like to know if there are any "training aids" that can be used to induce them
to use the box exclusively.  We've tried the behavioral types of things in a
moderate way but without success.  Are there scents we can spray to get the
kittens to use the box or other scents that will deter them from using other
sites?  Are any of these undetectable by humans?  What else should we try?
   Thanks...

Bill Christens-Barry
From: njl@druhi.ATT.COM (Nancy J. LaRoche)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbit worry
Summary: Fun with the bun
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.052616.21569@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
> Meanwhile, my Big Wig, the big bundle of bun, sure knows how to play:

Obviously, he has responded to your own playfulness and all the attention
you give him.  I suspect that the real clue to getting bunnies to play is
to give them LOTS of the kind of attention that they like (i.e., avoiding
picking them up, which most of them hate, at least after about the age of
six months).  After they have developed confidence and trust and come to
see you as the giver of good things, playing tag, running circles, etc. may
be spontaneous or encouraged by being playful yourself.

One of my volunteers has a pair of rabbits, one of which LOVES to climb
onto a platform they made for him and toss his Mason jar rings onto the
floor.  They pile them back up on the platform and he tosses them over
again, leaning over the edge and watching each one until it stops rolling
or whatever.  His mate will imitate this behavior if people start making
over him a lot (jealousy as a motivator...)

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!longs!njl
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: beckers@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Becki Kain)
Subject: Re: Ferrets
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:01:26 GMT

In article <1efbg6INN96j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey) writes:
>
>	Well, Chelsea loves to get onto my desk and nudge things off.
>As soon as I figure how on Earth she gets up there, my possessions
>should be safe. (Although I'd like to know where all my pens and pencils
>have gotten to...She can open the zipper on my bookbag and she loves
>to cart off any writing implements she can find...:P But she does look
>cute hauling off something at least as long as she is. ;))
>	But I can leave her out in my room all day without her destroying 
>anything. I just keep things off the bottom shelves. :)
>--
>						| Heather "Moose" Garvey
>	"CHAD BLUNT, the BALL carrier!"		| Biochemistry - CWRU '93
>		-- The entire band after 	| <hlg@po.cwru.edu>
>		   any given running play	| "Wooooooah, PIZZA!"
probably the drawers do not fit all the way to the back wall of the desk and 
they get in underneath then up the space in between the drawer and the wall. at
least that is th e case with both my desk (of which the rats have claimed
two drawers in) and my dresser, (of which we share the all the drawers)

beckers and escher, nero, tieke, tigger, tavi, and sephus