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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Principia discordia
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:19:19 GMT

In article <7597@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.134605.26146@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>>ads for the sale of a scroll like the Desiderata. Take a magnifying glass
>
>	I have a copy of this on my wall at home.  It has a landscape with a
>beautiful waterfall in the backround.  My favorite line was the one mention of
>God.. and the next line where it reads "however you conceive of him" or 
>something similar.  Just that instant where I thought "Oh NO! Here comes the
>standard 'be Christian whether you like it or not punch line'" and then
>the next line was THAT!  I knew I had to find it. (Not easy to do.  The shop
>I was in had only the display copy left.  I looked all over London to find
>another.)

Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. That's the line. Yeah, that's a good one.
A friend of mine says she has a copy, and as soon as I get it from her I'm
going to post it for everyone.

Bb,

Corun


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  Dark Horde by birth  | a minute. To sit on a hot stove for a minute seems
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
From: haley@husc10.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:51:34 GMT

post@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Post) writes:

>May I have some guidance, please?  I think I could use some.

>The short story is a boy is about to be born and I have been asked to do a
>ceremony for his circumcision.  Neither of his parents are Christian or have
>spiritual purposes in mind for doing this.

>It is to be done for hygenic, aesthetic and medical reasons.

Hmmm, well, from what I have read and heard from the uncircumcised,
there are no hygenic reasons to do this...
I can't say as how I would agree with imposing the parents aesthetic
values on the child, especially in an area that is generally clothed,
even in many pagan situations, (cause no one likes a sun burnt
pee-pee)

As to medical reasons, I couldn't say that being dependant on the
child's situation...
But there aren't really any standing medical reasons to perform
circumcision.
For instance, it isn't likely that a foreskin will become inflamed and
toxic, unless the owner has never heard of bathing...

So I would suggest asking the parents whether they are doing this
because they have truely considered it down to every rippling effect,
or are they doing it because, "Well, all the men in the Family are,
and we don't want to break with tradition..."
Note: I'm not mad at my parents for circumcising me, they were just
ill informed. I however am not... Please don't you be...

If there is a true medical reason for a circumcision, such as  the
foreskin is deformed in some menner that would prohibit normal
excretory or sexual function, by all means do it and perform a
heartfelt ceremony celebrating medical science, and not being stuck in
the dark ages, that we may avail ourselves of technology and magick
both.
But do not let it be a celebration of what turns out later to be
needless pain and suffering...

Soapbox off...
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: 	Don't mention Ben & Jerry's in Vermont
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:07:31 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Murray,

Welcome back - sounds like you got quite a load of decision-making
done.  I expect the scenery was rather spectacular up there!

You've got at least ME curious - how did the daughter of "the woman
you love" end up with her brother?  although - you may not want to
"talk" about what's happening in a public forum like this . . .
I hope this works out well for all three of you - those old family
values are essential, you know!  :-)

But what really got me wondering was your subject line - you never
explained it in your message.  Why "Don't mention Ben & Jerry's in Vermont"??

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Oh, Bother revisited
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:20:24 GMT

hey i resent that .. i am a Big fan of pooh-bear.... 
got any honey ??

   Steve C.

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rcormac@colossus.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Subject: Re: The Binding Spell that didn't
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:29:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: colossus.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hrmmm... I find that binding spells only work if you then let let the
person being bound know about it. (Doesn't mean you have to say
anything, just means you have to be around them and interacting in
such a way that they can tell that you are not afraid of them and are
ready and able to retaliate). I suggest that your friend invest in
some guarding charms, perhaps a nice pressure sensor and siren in the
car, or maybe a familiar, like a nervous dog (preferably one that
wakes up fast, barks loud, but is utterly harmless, from personal
experience toy poodles make excellent warding familiars). If things
get really bad and your friend can come up with the necessary
sacrifices, try and appeal to the local police-things. If your friend
can prove harrassment and complete the necessary rituals (a true test
of both verity and will), then powerful forces can be summoned to deal
with the person. :) (BTW, I am not teasing, this is serious magick,
that has a some chance of success... If you are going to do anything I
feel that the target will need to know about it somehow, depends on
how aware the target is...)
Just my own view of how to deal with the situation...
   Blessed Be!
     Cormac
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                      rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu           
Vote Libertarian in 92! Marrou/Lord!
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00466-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <2OCT199207362151@elroy.uh.edu>, lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
|> Danzig (heavy metal) is decidedly Satanic.  Concrete Blonde (heavy 
|> metal sorta) is either atheist or some other non-christian if their
|> music is any indication.

King Diamond also says he's a Satanist.  Candlemass seems like they're
something (I've heard that they might be Christian, but they certainly
aren't "typical" if they are).  Ronnie James Dio is a Taoist I believe,
and Yngwie J. Malmsteen has a library of occult books and wears
a pentagram necklace and his music seems to reflect these interests.

That's more from the heavy metal side for today....
-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:31:10 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <kbennett.717708868@milton> kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:
>And even though U2 is supposedly Christian, I really had to wonder
>about "Mysterious Ways" with its lines about nature and "sister moon"
>and the chorus "she moves in mysterious ways."  Maybe they are still
>Christian but have expanded their theology to include the idea that
>god is in nature and can have any gender....!

	If so it would be very Celtic Christian of them.
	And thus appropriate.

:)
Carl  

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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:27:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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<17608@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
><1992Sep27.022737.11287@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>> > 
>> Well, the song is "Little Boxes", written by Pete Seeger.  According to
>> the information I remember from Sing Out! magazine,
>
>Would you please post the Sing Out! reference to this? I would have sworn
>by all god/desses living, dead, and unborn that this song was Malvina's.
>The story I heard was that she wrote it in response to all the apartment
>complexes ("little boxes made of ticky-tacky") being built in the 
>Berkeley hills, so the reference to the "University" is, of course,
>UC Berkeley.

	Of course, I could be wrong.... (rustle, groan, rustle)  I'm
looking! .... (rustle  unpack  dig dig dig)    It's got to be  here
somewhere...... (creak   tramp tramp    dig dig  rustle)   AH HA!

	Oops.
	(very small voice) Malvina Reynolds interviewed by Pete Seeger.

	<blush>
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: itu73@stonehenge (George Bacon)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Organization: UTech
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:43:17 GMT

     I think you guys are all wrong.  You  see,  the  cycle  goes
from  the  lowest insect life all the way up the chain to humans,
followed by the highest form of life, rocks.  You may laugh,  but
you  must understand that rocks are the physical manifestation in
our plane of existence of what most people  consider  disembodied
spirits.   Can't  you  all  see  that?   When we, as humans, die,
depending upon whether we have we have  correctly  prepared  our-
selves,  we  ascend  to  the next plane, leaving our mark in this
world as Rocks, or we are forced to endure the lives of those  we
have tormented or wronged, possibly in many bodies.

     So if one wishes to enter this psychophalistithic  state  of
omnipresence,  one  must  renounce  one's faulty parallelism with
other planes of existence, and realize that  our  lives  in  this
'mortal  coil' are but protracted interregnums, perpetually seek-
ing order and the continuation of the cycle.

     I'm sorry if I have intruded on  anyone's  sensibilities  or
beliefs,  but I am firmly convinced that what I have tried to ex-
press is the Truth.

     Lets keep discussing this topic in here in this forum.


George Bacon
itu73@stonehenge.wltshr.uk
From: brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: sinead oconnor... verrrrryyy interesting
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:01:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


i heard that sinead (shiny head, some call her  *hee hee*)  was on sat. night
live a bit ago... i dont know if it was a rerun or whatever...
but she aparently sang a song (dont know what it was... sorry)
and then ripped up a picture of the pope, and said that it was time to fight
the *real* enemy... 

? 
!
:0
*gasp*


brenda

-- 
brenda@wpi.wpi.edu    "I've been singin' the blues ever since the world     
152 West St. Apt 2     began..."
792-3243                                      ~ Jim Morrison
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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Castrating Bitches (was Re: another poem)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:14:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:

>>Blessings,
>>Janis the Castrating Bitch

>And this is why I saved this part, and changed the subject line.  Any
>other women here, straight, lesbian or bi, actually *enjoy* being
>called a bitch now?  It may sound strange, but I do.  And I especially
>like being called a castrating bitch.  Bitches are women who won't
>take shit; bitches are women who don't fit into the male order, the
>patriarchal machine; bitches are women who have power.  

Well, I am male, and I very much enjoy being called a bitch.  I often call
myself one.  My reasons are in the post about janis' net.name.  Bitches, IMO,
are *anyone* who doesn't fit into the patriarchal machine.  Bitches are people
who recognise the power in *all* people--starting with themselves.

Make sense, folks?


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Pagan Cussin' (was: re: who do you kneel to when you pray?)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:10:24 GMT

In article <1a0p6tINN4i5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
>
>In the course of my four years at an all-girls Catholic high school,
>I took up swearing in other languages to minimize the risk... my very,
>very few English exclamations of disgust were sort of nonstandard.

I had a similar problem, but in a different way.  I'd be getting beaten
up, and when I swore, *I'D* subsequently get beaten up by the nun for
*GASP!* SAYING A BAAAAAAD WOOOOOORD!  Evidently some stupid little
string of phonemes means more to the fuckheads in the convents than some
little kid getting the shit beaten out of her.

Nowdays, I know I swear like a sailor, but if someone doesn't like it,
they can stick their fingers in their ears.

Blessings,
Janis
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00356-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <2ACA1ED0.14136@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep30.161935.13737@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep28.235701.26454@ncsu.edu>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
|> >
|> >|> We had a secretary at work once who insisted that any woman who didn't keep
|> >|> her nails filed and polished (which she did at work) was just lazy.  I wanted
|> >|> to punch the bitch.
|> >
|> >Yeah, I've known a few.  I kind of feel sorry for them though.  I wish
|> >I could show them that one does not have to spend one's time doing
|> >nails and things to make them feel worthy.  It is one thing when one
|> >just does her own, but I have the feeling that people who try to make
|> >others follow their own dress patterns really want to think that
|> >there are others like them and are resentful of those who do more
|> >than just fingernails.
|> 
|> Some of us even USE our hands to make things and play instruments, and
|> are unable and unwilling to just turn them into dead meat "accessories"
|> that hang below the wrist.  Sorry, sweetheart, but I know how to write.
|> If you are that obsessive about your nails, what do you do?  Hiree
|> someone to dial the phone for you?
|> 
|> Fingers are meant to shape and create.  Their chiefest use is not as a
|> canvas for Antartic Purple.  (This comes from a woman who used to take
|> care of her nails as a minor hobby -- they grow like weeds -- until she
|> realized that she was changing her nail polish every ten minutes during
|> finals week and hence using them as an excuse to avoid studying -- me.)

I've often been critisized for not having long fingernails.
I've tried a few times when I've gotten into the mood, but I never
kept them.  They got in the way and I hated them.  It would probably
be funny to hear about my many antics to get decent looking polish
on them.  My fingers end up looking like they have large globs of
paint on each tip with canals going through every which way.

Who is it that critisizes me.  Of course, those who have them and
are very vain about them, my mother, and a couple of men I've
met in the same day they critisized.

What joy! :-)

-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:29:33 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>um, i think if we compared birthdates, janis would be a little
>sister, but that's cool.  i have a couple of littel sisters, always
>room for one more...

>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)

>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...

If you really want to know..it's 7/1/52, 2:00 AM , North Hollywood, CA,
something Memorial.

And I too am up for an alt.pagan gathering somewhere at sometime.. I suspect
Janis' digs are not up to the size of the crowd.

>                                             -ailsa

/al

-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Thank you and here's to you all...
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:28:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Lovely poem Kethry, I'll save it for my dark times.

Blessings,

        dan
--
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pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: The Serpent
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 02:11:31 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <BvnFpJ.6GD@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com writes:

 > >>>What do any of you know of the serpent?
 >  
 > I am curious. Why do you ask?

I ask as I seek . . .

Asking an open question leaves an opening to respond freely, and the
response in this instance has been astonishingly tuned to my tacit
purpose.

Just to comment on Chinese dragons, they are not always friendly at
all. I do not think the friendly/dangerous frame of reference works
very well. Chinese dragons are simply powerful, like the Aboriginal
Waugal, the great rainbow serpent which so disturbs the waters and
brings changes to the face of the land. This has some relevance to our
other thread under "Witches and Death", and leads to some wondering
about why the Western tradition sought to kill serpents.

Why are Westerners so terrified of snakes still today, while Chinese
use them for their medicinal and healing properties? Fundamentalist
Christians here in Western Australia also quite openly discuss the
need to enter China and there battle "The Serpent", while local people
here have been holding bitter public demonstrations against building
development on ancient sites sacred to the Waugal.

The killing of snakes and dragons also parallels the oppression of
pagan and indigenous societies throughout all the Western lands, and
this symbolism I find utterly compelling . . .

Gil

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PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:29:29 GMT

In article <1adcrnINNn95@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>One of the tests for origins here is whether Wiccans believe that everyone
>reincarnates, or only Witches (by special favor of the Goddess).  If the
>former, then we may be dealing with influence from Eastern religions.  If
>the latter, then the only published source known to me is a statement in
>one of Charles Leland's writings on the Italian witches of Tuscany (maybe
>his _Etruscan Roman Remains_?), and one is dealing either with a borrowing
>from leland or with a parallel tradition.  Gardner hints at the latter, and
>Kelly says it is standard Wiccan (Gardnerian?) doctrine, but others with
>whom I've checked say they believe the former.  What's the consensus on this
>net?  -- Robert

Anyone who tells you that only Witches (Wiccans) reincarnate should have
their head examined.  If there exist universal forces that impel some
part of the human creature to last after death and get recycled, that
force ain't gonna give a poop whether or not you eat a little cracker on
Sunday or dance naked under the full Moon.

Any force that can create something as ponderous as a universe isn't
going to be so caught up in piddly details like what word you are
described with.  Saying that only Wiccans reincarnate (whether or not
reincarnation is actually right) is crummy, meanspirited, and ethno-
centric -- bigotry of the worst kind. 

Blessings,
Janis 

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Pagan Cussin' (was: re: who do you kneel to when you pray?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.183854.6116@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes...
> 
>Oboy oboy oboy!  A thread I can stir up a bit!
> 
>A couple of my favorites (and, yes, any insults are deliberate):
> 
>	"It's colder than a nun's tit!"
> 
>	"Baptize them if they can't take a joke!"
> 
>Anyone else?
> 
>				- - Steve
> 
>				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com

Har Har Har Har........ Thanks

This reminds me of a funny thing that happened.  My husband and I
are gamers.  Many of our gamer friends also happen to be pagan like
us.  One *cold* winter we were having a game at our house when one
of our gamer buddies came in.  While he took his coat off he said
*brrr* It's colder than a witch's tit out there.  I, of course, being
the only female there at the time popped up with "I beg your pardon
but my tits are quite warm thank you."  His response = ?huh?
Turns out that in all of everything this friend had never be informed
of the paganess of our household.  I wasn't anything we hid.  It was
just coincidence.  Of course, you can see that this is where he finds
out.  His response = *shrug* ok.  And life went on.  Luck too, because
he has been a really great friend.  My life would have been less
without him in it.

Tammy