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From: a2baehr@rzdspc22.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Martin Baehr)
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Subject: I want to read rec.scouting
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:00:46 GMT
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Hi there,

Not long ago, I discovered that there is the newsgroup rec.scouting,
by finding it in the list of newsgroups, which is frequently posted
to news.groups. But,

our site doesn't get it. And this is not likely to change. (exept if 
it becomes the general newsserver for Hamburg, but this is still far 
from certain.)

However, i would like to read rec.scouting since I'm an active rover,
`roving around in the whole scouting world' (at least during holidays :-) 
and beeing very interestet in the international side of it. (see my
signature :-)

The question is: How could this be accomplished?

Please mail me if you have any suggestions.
Perhaps there is a mailing-list to solve that problem, or somebody could
set up a script and have it mailing me the newsgroup.

I'd be happy to hear from you. Please e-mail only!

with scouts greetings, martin.

P.S I posted this a second time because I'm not sure if my first post
was successful. Please tell me if it was. Thanks.

----
Martin Baehr       a2baehr@rzdspc2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
----
The Earth is but one country, and mankind it's citicen. Baha'u'llah
From: a2baehr@rzdspc22.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Martin Baehr)
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Subject: I want to read rec.scouting
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Hi there,

Not long ago, I discovered that there is the newsgroup rec.scouting,
by finding it in the list of newsgroups, which is frequently posted
to news.groups. But,

our site doesn't get it. And this is not likely to change. (exept if 
it becomes the general newsserver for Hamburg, but this is still far 
from certain.)

However, i would like to read rec.scouting since I'm an active rover,
`roving around in the whole scouting world' (at least during holidays :-) 
and beeing very interestet in the international side of it. (see my
signature :-)

The question is: How could this be accomplished?

Please mail me if you have any suggestions.
Perhaps there is a mailing-list to solve that problem, or somebody could
set up a script and have it mailing me the newsgroup.

I'd be happy to hear from you. Please e-mail only!

with scouts greetings, martin.

P.S I posted this a second time because I'm not sure if my first post
was successful. Please tell me if it was. Thanks.

----
Martin Baehr       a2baehr@rzdspc2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
----
The Earth is but one country, and mankind it's citicen. Baha'u'llah
From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Subject: Re: Swiss Scout Uniform (and how does YOURS look?) REPOST
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:14:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.014805.5935@bernina.ethz.ch> macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener) writes:
>I'd be interested too in how the uniform looks like in other countries.

UK.

Beavers:
Grey coloured tracksuit + Group Scarf

Cubs:
Grey trousors or shorts, green sweatshirt or jersey, group scarf the woggal
is in colour of the cub scouts six.

Scouts:
The type of trousors are to be decided by the troop PLC (Patrol Leaders
Council). Green Shirt, Optional Green Sweatshirt and group scarf.

Venture Scouts:
Male
Scout Association Mushroom coloured trousors, beige shirt, either group
scarf or brown coloured tie.
Female
Scout Association Mushroom coloured trousors or skirt, beige blouse, either
group scarf or brown coloured tie.

Adults:
Same as Venture Scouts except:
Leaders have the option of wearing a green tie instead of brown. Those
qulified may wear a Gilwell scarf as long as they are not with their group.

>Optional items are: brown BP hat or blue girl scout hat, scout belt,
>satchel (wolves), pocket knife or hunting knife and Recta compass.

HeadWear be it Bush hats, berets, cub caps are no longer uniform. Knifes
MAY NOT be worn with uniform. The scout belt is part of the scout, venture
scout and leader uniform.
A personal note about uniform trousors, I find it odd that Venture Scouts
and leaders must wear uniform trousors, but scouts do not. The leg of the
trousors has the same diameter at the thigh as it does at the ankle, the
result being that most female members prefer to wear uniform skirts.
I think the unifrom for the beaver, cub and scout section may have been slightly
amended to accomondate girl scouts, but unfortunatly I don't know.
-- 
Dave                                                       cmh004@cck.cov.ac.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am a one in ten, Even though I don't exist, Nobody knows me, But I'm always
there, A statistical reminder to a world that doesn't care.             (UB40).
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Subject: Re: Rovers, and are there any Europeans out there!
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:27:45 GMT

In article <21051@acorn.co.uk> bcockburn@acorn.co.uk (Bruce Cockburn) writes:
>>>      If anyone knows any Europeans Rovers on the net (esp British ones),
>>                                     ^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>If he really wants to see British Rovers he is in for a disapointment as
>>they haven't been around for about 25 years.

>  Glad to say, you're wrong!  There are active Rover Crews in England!  The
>Federation of European Scots (F.S.E.) and the Baden-Powell Scouts both have
>active Rover sections.  In the F.S.E. the Rover (and Ranger) section(s) are
>open to anyone 16 years old or older (with NO UPPER AGE LIMIT).  Be aware
>that traditional Scouting values are alive and well, although maybe a bit
>limited numericly, in England.  See "FAQ  #2: Scouting around the World" for
>more information.
>
>  Yours in Scouting, Bruce.  (R.S.L.  Girton Rover Crew)

OK I'm wrong. Yet the UK Scout Association does not have Rover Crews and it is
the UK Scout Association which is recogonised by the World Scout Organisation
(or whatever it is) as the only Scouting body in the UK. Baden-Powell Scouts
are a splinter group formed in the 1960's. I have never met a member of the 
B-P Scouts nor do I have any idea as to how big they are. The first I heard
of the F.S.E. was when I read their promise in FAQ 2. Again I have never
met a member of the FSE.
Since I have never heard of where B-P Scouts meet in my district, yet I've
heard of ATC, Boys Brigade, NTC, Army Cadets, Judo Clubs etc. Then I'll
assume that B-P Scout membership is very small.
-- 
Dave                                                       cmh004@cck.cov.ac.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am a one in ten, Even though I don't exist, Nobody knows me, But I'm always
there, A statistical reminder to a world that doesn't care.             (UB40).
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU (Dennis J. Wilkinson)
Subject: International Terms FAQ???
Reply-To: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:22:54 GMT

waltoml@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>
>(oh...really quick...is there a way that you guys can explain some of
>the more common terms, maybe we can develop a FAQ for this or
>something.  You have problem with our DE and DD and Unit Commissioner
>set ups, I have problems with Rovering and First Unit Leader. 
>Thanks!)

Sounds like a good idea... I myself am very curious about some of the terms all
the non-BSA people out there are using, rank structures and the like. 

I think that a general overview of this type of thing would be a fantastic
idea... 

...of course, stress the general part. Take for example the BSA Professional
structure... I'm in the BSA, and *I* don't really want a detailed analysis. 
Mebbe a quickie chain-of-command, if anything...

Anyone else have any thoughts???


-- Dennis
----------------------------------------------------
Dennis J. Wilkinson, II  (pnsf01dw@umassd.edu)
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth - Design/CS Project

The opinions reflected in this post are MINE!!!! ALL MINE!!!!!
From: wu/O=WAYNE_A_DECKER/DD.ELN=62841488@mhs.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: SCOUTING IN SPAIN
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:57:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I am very much interested in making contact with Scouts/Scouters
in Spain.  I was a scout there in the '60 (Troop 403 Madrid--El Toro
District, Transatlantic Council.)  Replys will have to be sent to me
directly via e-mail. I don't have access to Usenet--yet.  I am on
EASYLINK (or TELEX) No. 62841488.  Internet sees my address like
this:

   wu/O=WAYNE_A_DECKER/DD.ELN=62841488@MHS.ATTMAIL.COM

Exactly how much of that is necessary to get accross the systems to
me, I don't really know.  For X400 users like me,  my COUNTRY is
US, my ADMD is WESTERN UNION,  my PRMD is EASYLINK my NANE is
WAYNE A DECKER and my DDA is id-ELN!!62841488

Thanks, Hope to hear from you soon.
(second request)
Wayne A. Decker
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Girl Scouts USA uniforms
Keywords: scout uniform
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:25:35 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Well, ok, the Girl Scouts USA uniform(s).

Note that while Girl Scouting in the USA is a uniformed organization, a girl
is not required to have or wear the uniform.  It is expected that they wear
their membership pin.  I am resorting to rewarding the girls who show up
in uniform with a piece of candy...  (Hey, 2 more bit this week!)

Daisies (age 5, or kindergarten)

a light blue tunic that ties at the sides and has 2 pockets in front.  It
is worn over other clothing, and the only insignia is the Daisy Girl
Scout Pin.  There are many optional accessories - hair ornaments, earrings,
socks, tights.

Brownies (ages 6-9, grades 1-3)

Brown jumper or pants or shorts, white blouse with brownie print, orange
snap tie, belt, belt purse, brown knee socks/orange flashes or tights, brown
beanie.  Insignia is worn on brown sash or vest.

Juniors (ages 9-12, grades 3-6)

Kelly green skirt, pants, or shorts, white blouse with Girl Scout print,
blue snap tie or blue/green/white striped polo shirt, belt, belt purse,
green knee socks/blue flashes, green baseball cap or blue beret, green
vest or sash for insignia.

Cadettes (ages 12-15, grades 7-9) and Seniors (ages 15-17, grades 10-12)

Royal blue pants or skirt, blue/green/white striped blouse, reversible
green (Cadettes) and blue (Seniors) tie, royal blue sash or vest for
insignia.

Adults

Women

navy wool skirt and blazer, white blouse, nice navy tie with narrow green/white
stripe, or green skirt or blue pants and white shirt with blue and green
stripes, assorted scarves, jewelneck blouse with interesting blue and green
dot print, or green coatdress.  The combinations are endless.

Men

navy wool blazer, men's tie in the same fabric as the women's tie, white
shirt.
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"Second star on the right and straight on till morning" - Barrie, Pan, Kirk
From: montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Eagle Ceremonies
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:50:17 GMT
Reply-To: montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g310b7.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <dsnoek.3hir@terapin.com> dsnoek@terapin.com (Daniel Snoek)  
writes:
> I was curious what kind of Eagle ceremonies other troops do.  When I got  
my
> Eagle last year May, I had the choice of ceremony and after looking at  
the
> various ceremonies available, I choose the traditional ceremony that our  
troop
> has been using about a decade (as far as I know).  I found the  
ceremonies that
> our scoutmaster had in some BSA publication to assist leaders were corny  
and,
> laughable in many ways.  What kind of ceremony are done in other troops?


Our troop has the Indian ceremonial team from the local OA lodge come out  
and perform an Eagle ceremony in full regalia.  The team has a written  
script that they follow.  I was the head of this team for several years,  
and helped to perform a countless number of Eagle ceremonies.  We never  
failed to get compliments from scouters, both young and old alike.  A  
point of note is that, I wrote the ceremony that they presently used and  
have used for the past three years.  If anyone has an interest in  
obtaining this script, simply drop me an electric line, and I would be  
happy to mail it out them.

--
**************************************************************************
Jerry W. Montgomery II
Chemical Engineering Major; Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Eagle Scout & Vigil Honor member Wulakamike Lodge 21 WWW
ASM Troop 286  Indianapolis, Indiana
**************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kckbxr@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Robin of Locksley)
Subject: Pres. Clinton a scout?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:08:19 GMT

Was President Clinton ever a scout?  If so, does anybody know what  
achievements he may've earned (i.e. Eagle rank?)?

bill
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Help on "Scouting Proud Around the World"
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:38:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu
Keywords: World Scouting, Scout Show, BSA

In article <1993Jan15.193221.22208@den.mmc.com> snorman@den.mmc.com writes:
>World Scouts and Scouters:
>The Denver Area Council, BSA, has chosen the theme "Scouting Proud Around the World"
>for it's one-day Scout Show on May 15th 1993. This show involves Cub Scouts,
>Boy Scouts, as well as Explorer units. Last years attendance was ~25,000 people.
>From the program plan:
>"The 1993 Denver Area Council Scout Show brings together highlights of cultures from
>around the world. By showing the diversity of Scouting organizations from countries
>like Australia or Norway we hope to demonstrate to our home community that we can
>all live together in peace and harmony while maintaining the basic values of the
>Scout Oath and Law."
>
>"The show will have Scouting units demonstrating what they have learned about other
>countries. It will also show what their unit is doing locally to assist our cultural
>diversity"
>---------------------
>As I sit on the Program Planning committee, I am seeking any and all suggestions 
>on activities, booth themes, and anything else you would like to offer up. 
>Some of the ideas that have been bounced around already:
(many ideas deleted)
>* Cultural Entertainment
>Our Council representative (Jeff Cozart, 303-455-5522) is already in contact with the 
>International Branch of the BSA. We also have a copy of the International Scouting FAQ.
>I am hoping to drum up some "grass-roots" help via this forum. Reply
>either by re-posting or directly to "snorman@den.mmc.com".

Hmm, are the Queer Scouts being invited to show the "diversity" here?
(Note: this is not a flame, I'm quite serious...As other countries 
do allow for lesbigays in their programs, if this show is to include
other programs, why not other opinions as well?)>


****************************************************************
*  Dominick V. Zurlo              *    "If the world's an      *
*  WWW                            *    oyster, why am I        *
*  Eagle Scout '87                *    allergic to Mollusks?"  *
*  blacklisted '88                *                            *
****************************************************************


Newsgroups: rec.scouting,rec.answers,news.answers
From: bcockburn@acorn.co.uk (Bruce Cockburn)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Swiss Scout Uniform (and how does YOURS look?) REPOST
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:53:43 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1993Jan22.014805.5935@bernina.ethz.ch> macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener) writes:
>>I'd be interested too in how the uniform looks like in other countries.

  The F.S.E., being a traditional Scouting organisation wears a very
traditional uniform:

Wolf Cubs;

        Male   - Blue cap with a cloth cap badge depicting a wolf's head,
                 blue woolen jumper with badges sewn on, short grey
                 trousers, long white socks with blue garter tabs, black or
                 brown leather shoes. Scarf of group colours.

        Female - Blue beret with a cloth cap badge depicting a wolf's head,
                 blue woolen jumper wiith badges sewn on, short blue skirt,
                 long white socks with blue garter tabs, black or brown
                 leather shoes. Scarf of group colours.

Scouts;

        Male   - Khaki wide brim felt hat, short sleeved khaki shirt with
                 two button down breast pockets, khaki shorts with leather
                 belt and F.S.E. buckle, long white socks with green garter
                 tabs, black or brown leather shoes. Scarf of group colours.

        Female - Khaki wide brim felt hat, short sleeved khaki shirt with
                 two button down breast pockets, khaki skirt with leather
                 belt and F.S.E. buckle, long white socks with green garter
                 tabs, black or brown leather shoes. Scarf of group colours.

        Note that blue berets are optional.

Rovers;          As for male Scouts, except red garter tabs.

Rangers;         As for female Scouts, except stockings (pantyhose).

Leaders;

        Male   - As for male Scouts.

        Female - As for female Scouts, except stockings (pantyhose).

  Yours in Scouting, Bruce Cockburn.

Any views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those     _--_|\ 
of Acorn. Any factual information is given in good faith and    /      \
neither I, nor Acorn can accept liability for loss or damage    \_.--._/
resulting from its use.                                               v 
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: lodge@owlnet.rice.edu (David John Lodge)
Subject: Re: Uniforms! (ugh!)
Followup-To: rec.scouting
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:12:27 GMT

In article <brenner.727748163@well.sf.ca.us>, brenner@well.sf.ca.us (Anita Susan Brenner) writes:
|> 
|> I don't know about you folks, but the uniforms for girl scouts were
|> better when I was a kid. The fabrics they use now are of such poor
|> quality and the styles leave a lot to be desired. Some of the leaders
|> have used their own navy blue suits, with the regulation blouse and scarf.
[stuff deleted]
|> 
|> Shades of Troop Beverly Hills perhaps?
|>                         Anita Brenner
|>                         Mount Wilson Vista Council
|>                         Troop 99
|>                         (Pasadena California)

  I have noticed this trend in Boy Scout uniforms as well.  When I first joined
up, the Scout shorts and Scout pants were the toughest in existence, with the
possible exception of military fatigues.  Yet now, they seem to come apart at the
seams almost immediately (I'm thinking in particular about the shorts one
Scoutmaster wore at Philmont -- they split from waistband to hem before we even
left base camp).
  As for the styles, I was most disappointed when BSA decided to make all the
emblem backgrounds khaki.  I have never been particularly fond of khaki, and I
liked having a variety of colored backgrounds on my uniform.  (I must admit,
when the color change started, my dad and i went to the scout shop and bought up
all the patches we thought I'd need, like Senior Patrol Leader, Jr. Asst. Scoutmaster
and Asst. Scoutmaster.)  I am glad that the Explorer position emblems (President, etc.)
are still red.

Just my $.02 worth...
- Dave Lodge
 Sec'y/Treas.
 Post 1266
 Sam Houston Area Council

-- 
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to
see it tried on him personally.
                -- A. Lincoln
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: ae110@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank Bates)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: REQUEST: your promise & law
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:18:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ae110@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank Bates)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) says:

>What is the promise and law for Girl Guides (or Girl Scouts) in your country?
>
> [...omitted text...]
>
>==========================================================================
>Christine Code                 *
>                               *  "A bear, however hard he tries,
>Vancouver, B.C, CANADA         *   Grows tubby without exercise."
>Christine_Code@MindLink.bc.ca  *                   -A.A. Milne
>==========================================================================
>
For the Girl Scouts of the USA:
 Promise: On my honor, I will try:
          To serve God and my country,
          To help people at all times,
          And to live by the Girl Scout Law.
 Law: I will do my best:
      - to be honest
      - to be fair
      - to help where I am needed
      - to be cheerful
      - to be friendly and considerate
      - to be a sister to every Girl Scout
      - to respect authority
      - to use resources wisely
      - to protect and improve the world around me
      - to show respect for myself and others through my words and actions.

Frank Bates
Troop Committee, Junior Troop 328
North Mentor SU
Lake Eire Girl Scout Council
-- 
Frank J. Bates, Jr.      Internet: ae110@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Society Corp 00-01-0601  Voice: +1 (216) 689-9684; Fax: +1 (216) 689-8982 
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