From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: An Abortion Argument that has nothing to do with OT and NT
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:31:48 GMT

Michael P Noonan (noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec20.223810.17255@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon St
orga) writes:
: |> <1992Dec18.213300.4979@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michae
l P Noonan) writes:

[all references to the cliff analogy deleted, as well as Suzanne Forgach's
non-sequitor about "killing unborn children"]

: |> >First of all, I'd like to point out that most pro-abortionists or
: |> >pro-choicers are Christian.  Secondly, there do exist atheists who
: |> >are pro-life/anti-abortion.  So, just what exactly are you implying here?
: |>
: |> Sorry Mike, but the three admitted pro-abortioners on this net are hardly
: |> Christian.  I'd like to know where you get your stats.
:
: I admit that I don't have any statistics to
: flash around,

This rather diminishes your credibility.

:               but I know many pro-abortionists that are Christian.  Do you
: really think that the whole pro-choice movement is run by atheists?

Of course not, consider RCAR (Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights?) and
Catholics for Choice.

[snip]

: Understand, that I use the terms pro-abortion and pro-choice synonymously.
: Perhaps someone could explain the difference to me, but if your fighting
: for the right for people to have abortions, aren't you pro-abortion?
: Who cares whether or not you would use that right yourself, if you are
: pro-abortion-rights, you are pro-abortion.
: It seems to me that the terms pro-life and pro-choice are merely table
: dressings, IMHO.

No, Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are not the same.  I am no more "Pro-Abortion"
than I am "Pro-Appendectomy".  I would never suggest that a person go out and
have either procedure done on a whim, but I recognize that sometimes the
procedures are necessary.

:
: This is definitely one discussion in which I do not wish to get entangled.
: I thought my first point was self-evident, and was not prepared to
: defend it with stats.

Any time someone says "most" or "the majority" their assertion may be
challenged, and the person making the challenge must provide statistics to
back up the claim.  The problem is that too many people think that their
personal experiences constitute some sort of norm for their country, if not
the world.  Anecdotes have a limited usefulness in an intellectual discussion.

[stuff referring to Suzanne Forgach deleted, since I deleted her statements]

: |> Gordon
: |> Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Murie
l,
: |> Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), B
eth
: |> "CJ", and Nadja, and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it.
: |> [space reserved for alternate ex-girlfriends Eric R. and Drieux]
: |> --
: |> The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
: |> of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
: |> Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
:
: -Mike Noonan
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