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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: ARTISTIC AUTOPSIES: TIMES ARROW PT. II
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:13:06 GMT


	He's baaaaacccccck....


OVERALL GRADE: 0.9 (on a 4.0 scale)



	Well, I'm glad that's over with.....

	As the seasons go on, BEST OF BOTH WORLDS PART II looks to be the best
they can do as far as season openers are concerned. For certain, TIME'S ARROW
PART II is a rather uninspiring episode, looking at it in any light.

	In general, this whole episode played like a scriptwriting class's
excercise. Well, CLAAASSSS....how do we get Data back from the 19th CEntury,
hm??? In theory, here's how we do it....

	Events were placed togther in some semblence of order, but they
made
no sense. There was no dramatic build, there was no sense of urgency and worst
of all, there was no underlying conflict and no unifying theme to drive the
story along.The crew had it far too easy; this was no more than an Academy
excercise to get Data to and from 19th Century San Francisco.

	This COULD have been sufficient, if the writing staff had not
handled this like a typical network drama and had given the characters in the
story IQs above room temperature. For example, how did the main crew get
their period costumes but had ALL that trouble with their landlady for rent?
This was simply mechanicl schtick and badly done as well;both scenes were
utterly predictable from the outset in their development and ending.

	As well, the way the crew dealt with Clemens in the 19th Century
verged on the edge of idiocy; every single thing they did was contrived
and served only to inflame his suspicions-they didn't even try to deal with
his paranoia intelligently.

	There could have been a FEW good things to save this episode. The
origin of the Picard/Guinan relationship COULD have been one; unfortunately,
this was handled rather pedestrianly. Picard was nice, but this was hardly
a kindness that would spark a bond that would endure through the
centuries. The Twain vs. Roddenberry conflict of world views would have been
nice if they had expanded on it and developed in properly with scenes both
in the 19th and 24th Centuries to flesh it out. And it could ahve been nice
to have seen a conflict with REALLY evil aliens, if they hadn't been
brushed off and defeated so easily. Gee, wouldn't have it been nice to have
some cat and mouse games in the streets of 19th Century San Francisco? Or
in the 24th Century? Or both at the same time? [And you know what? A REALLY
good episode could have been done if ALL of these things were developed...]

	This story seemed to be merely an excuse to give cute kisses with
history, It is quite unfortunate that they forgot to give a story along
with it.
-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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From: phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Repair using transporter/replicator technology?
Organization: Computer Technology Group, TAEX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:56:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.044254.16819@nmsu.edu> rkaczano@dante.nmsu.edu (
KACZANOWSKI) writes:

>Hi, Just wondering why the crew doesn't use the replicators and
>transporters to repair the ship?  Seems quite logical to me.

>Again, just wondering...

Seems to me that I remember Geordi saying in Inner Phase that they could use 
the replicators to fix the Romulan's engines.
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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: timetravel backwards? - perhaps
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:02:15 GMT

In article <2OCT199216593403@reg.triumf.ca> lahaye@reg.triumf.ca (RAYMOND GABIN , TRIUMF OPERATIONS) writes:

  [stuff deleted to save space]

>	Time travel can be looked at from two basic directions: the first is
>that one can go back into the past, and change it. 
>                     The second way to look at time is that anything that
>happens in the past cannot be changed.  

Another problem with time travel, apart from the causality question, is 
traffic, yes, traffic.

If time travel became a reality in the future, then there would have to 
be tons of people visiting big moments in history.

Example: Tickets to the performance at Ford's theatre the night Lincoln was 
assassinated would be sold out to travellers from the future --  the hotels 
in town would be stocked with "out-of-town" people with fake credentials.
(Saturday Night Live had a skit that first pointed out this idea to me -- 
they had a bunch of future historians trying to cram into the booth 
next to Lincoln's, or something like that.)

Just think how many historic moments you would like to visit.
And then think of how many people in the future might want to visit 
those same events.

If time travel was a reality, then you could always predict when something 
important was about to happen -- it'll be where and whenever all the strange 
"out-of-towners" suddenly show up.

So the answer to the question "Is time travel possible?", is the same 
as the one Fermi proposed with regard to extraterrestiral intelligence:

"Where are they?"  (i.e, the visiting mob from the future)


-- 
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Phys.& Astr.Dept.    ///// / /  /  *|*  \  \ \ \\\\\      there you are!"
Univ.of Delaware    ((((( ( (  (  * + *  )  ) ) )))))   -> Buckaroo Banzai
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From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:09:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu) ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
)Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
)the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
)release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
)Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
)
)Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?

Gee, it doesn't seem to do anything for me!  Maybe I'm not tapping in the
precisely correct location?

Tim
-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
   -- Christopher Priest, _The Affirmation_
From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The Enemy Within
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:07:15 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK


The latest TOS episode shown on the beeb was "The Enemy Within", this is the one
where Kirk gets split into *good* and *bad* halves by a transporter malfunction.
The *bad* kirk attacks Janice Rand and she scratches his face (so we can tell the
good and bad ones apart), the two kirks confront each other in engineering and
spock knocks out thep baddie with the old Vulcan neck pinch. The good kirk,
lacking the baddies strngth is losing the ability to command and spock has to
help him out. Meanwhile Sulu and some unknown crewmen are stuck down on a planet
where the temperature is dropping rapidly to -120 degrees (brr), they can't beam them
up until Scotty fixes the transporter to stop production of good/bad duplicates.
The bad kirk tries to take over but eventually the good kirk takes the bad kirk to
the transporter room (now fixed) and spock beams the two out and beams one kirk
back. This kirk is "back to normal" and he makes the decision to beam sulu and co
up.

A fairly good episode, one things always puzzled me. If the transporter was broken
why didn't they send down a shuttlecraft to pick up Sulu and co?
It would have been interesting to send spock through the transporter and got
out human and vulcan copies. Imagine sending Worf through it and getting
out a *bad* Klingon! He'd be one to avoid :-)

tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: timetravel backwards? - perhaps
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:06:09 GMT

In article <BvnrBs.1Ao@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>In article <2OCT199216593403@reg.triumf.ca> lahaye@reg.triumf.ca (RAYMOND GABIN , TRIUMF OPERATIONS) writes:
>
>  [stuff deleted to save space]
>
>>	Time travel can be looked at from two basic directions: the first is
>>that one can go back into the past, and change it. 
>>                     The second way to look at time is that anything that
>>happens in the past cannot be changed.  
>
>Another problem with time travel, apart from the causality question, is 
>traffic, yes, traffic.
>
>If time travel became a reality in the future, then there would have to 
>be tons of people visiting big moments in history.
>
>Example: Tickets to the performance at Ford's theatre the night Lincoln was 
>assassinated would be sold out to travellers from the future --  the hotels 
>in town would be stocked with "out-of-town" people with fake credentials.
>(Saturday Night Live had a skit that first pointed out this idea to me -- 
>they had a bunch of future historians trying to cram into the booth 
>next to Lincoln's, or something like that.)

There are alternatives.  You have etheric time travel such that presented
in Times Arrow.  The traveler would be out-of-temporal-phase (whatever
that means) and invisible to those in the past.
Another possibility is tele-travel: you could roam the past in a virtual
reality sense, see but not affect anything.

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From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Borg travelling faster than Warp 10?
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:10:33 GMT

In article <27SEP199209175550@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:
>    Does this mean that the "warp 11.4" in the Old Series in the episode
> "That Which Survives" (?) is on a different warp scale that that of
> the Next Generation series?     If this is so, can someone please
> review the <different?> warp scales for me.  Thanks.

Old series: W^3 c

Next Gen: W^(10/3)+(10-W)^(-11/3) is a good fit for the numbers given
in the STTNG "Techical" Manual.
>
> Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
> TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 278/419
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>
Say, do you know Howard Trottier?

Martin
From: jjm3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Joseph Martino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Barclay's Pineal Gland (Spoilers Realm of Fear)
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:50:24 GMT
Reply-To: jjm3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Joseph Martino)
Organization: Columbia University

SPOILERS



Did anyone else expect to see Barclay's pineal gland bug out of his
head, enabling him to see the "flying worms" outside of the transporter beam?
Perhaps his brain was still a bit overstimulated from last time.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: My $0.02 about "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:21:54 GMT

In article <BvAoEE.158@iat.holonet.net> guest@iat.holonet.net (HoloNet Guest Services) writes:
>Dude - shut up!  Don't you have anything better to do than analyze an
>episode to death?  Who cares about Cholera, or electrochemical energy,
>etc., etc., blah, blah, blah.  It's a TV show, plain and simple - get a life.
>

Do you realize that you've posted a heavily-cliched and rude insult
to someone without indicating to the net who the heck you're talking
to?

GMS
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.163907.19590@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John  
Piscitello) writes:

> 	However, I tend to agree with you. If he can do that, why can't
> he use contractions? Does anyone out there know about the contraction
> rule? How can we explain this? Is it some Asimov positronic-brain thing?

There really is no contraction rule.  It's more or less slang.  For example,
when writing a paper, you generally do not use contractions, because it is
improper, informal.  Notice that I have used words that could be contracted
but instead left them (un)contracted.  But I did however use a contraction
in the sentence [it's more or less slang], to emphasize the fact that it was
slang.
Ask yourself, when do you use contractions?  You can say, "I don't do that,"
or you can say, "I do not do that."  Undoubdtedly you use one phrase for
one situation and the other phrase for another situation.  Generally I would
suppose you use the uncontracted form when you are being more firm in your
response, but this is not always the case.
Can you give a general rule for when using contractions?  I would think not.
To me, it would seem the use of contractions is something for which you need
emotions, because there is a certain "feeling" as to whether or not you
would use a contraction.  And of course, Data has no emotions.  And this too
was the case with Spock.  As I recall, he did not use contractions (I don't
think "he didn't use contractions" would sound right in this sentence), but
of course I may be wrong.
Furthermore, it was Lor who used contractions, and it was Lor who had emotions.
Thus, I would agree that Data not using contractions and not understanding
how to use them is perfectly consistent with his programming.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: mdm@world.std.com (Michael D Meachen)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:52:17 GMT

In article <BvCA8H.CBI@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca writes:
>
>
>In article phcr@lynx.unm.edu, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.030335.26463@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>>
>>
>>I was under the impression that what happened was this.
>>
>>1. Mark Twain has a pocket watch in the 19th century.
>>2. In the cave with our intrepid crew, the watch is cast to the ground.
>>3. The watch lies in the cave for 500 years.
>>4. In the 24th century, our intrepid crew finds a pocket watch in the cave.
>>5. At this point in the chronology of the watch (no pun intended), it is 500
>>   years old, on the Enterprise.
>>6. On the Enterprise, the crew returns from Devidia II, with Mark Twain in
>>   tow.
>>7. Twain finds and retrieves his watch (now 500 years old).
>>8. Twain returns to the 19th century, with his 500 year old watch with him.
>>9. Back in the cave, after Picard has left, Twain notices his watch on the
>>   ground (the "new" watch, not the 500 year old one).
>>10.Twain picks the watch up, but, either remembering the watch in his pocket
>>   or mindful of paradox, replaces the new watch on the cave floor.
>
>10. Twain picks the watch up to put it in is pocket and found out there is
>already one (the one 500 hundred year old) and then replace it back on the 
>ground to let it fulfill it destiny :-)
>
>

>Robert Meunier                     Institut de Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec
>Ingenieur                          1800 Montee Ste-Julie, Varennes
>Internet: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca  Qc, Canada, J3X 1S1 
>maintainer: BASIC mailing list request to basic-request@ireq.hydro.qc.ca

 I think the most interest aspect of TAII, at least structurally, is the
comparison between the two machines which survive the "temporal rift":
Data's Head vs Twain's Watch.

 Data's Head moves forward in time with one large 500 year detour (loop),
while Twain's watch is "lost" to eternity by becoming stuck in that same
500 year loop, constantly being returned to that starting point of the
loop in the 19th century.

 I liked the use Twain as a character in the story.  I liked the scene of
him *choosing* to place the watch in the cave to fulfill his destiny.

 It for episodes like this that I endure the Horror of Troi, Wesley, et. al.

 mm
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Geordi's Transporter Re: Are you NUTS? (Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*)
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1anvpeINNg8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau) writes...

>Realm of Fear seemed to miss an episode, so to speak.  Barclay
>asked Geordi if he ever experienced something amiss during 
>transport, and Geordi says he never had.  Boy, I REALLY misunderstood
>"The Next Phase"!  If you don't call THAT a transporter accident....

     Yeah, I guess, but that's not exactly the question
     Barclay was asking, was it?  He was asking if Geordi
     had ever SEEN anything odd during transport... and
     in the literal sense of that question - which is
     how Barclay meant it after all - the comparison to
     "The Next Phase" doesn't wash: Geordi and Ro didn't
     SEE anything amiss during transport.  Only after...

>(Sorry if someone pointed this out already, but here in tiny
>Blacksburg we get new episodes at the end of the week.  *sigh*)

     In New York City, new episodes are shown on Saturday at
     7 PM.  It has nothing to do with the SIZE of your town,
     anyway...  :-)


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:44:39 GMT

In article <6436@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

> Promote Data or at least let him get laid.  Why does RIKER get all the women?
> Even POD-INSEMINATORS fer pity sakes!

:-) Well, in a spoilers listing before the summer, I remember seeing a 
message about Paramount looking for good scripts to bring back Q, 
Lwaxana, and Sela. Perhaps we could have a romantic interest between him 
and Lwaxana? I'm sure she must have forgiven him for his "anecdotes" by 
now, and she seemed quite impressed with his strength, despite the fact 
that he looks like a wimp. Maybe Lwaxana could tutor him in the ways of 
love? Or perhaps they could work something out with Sela! After all, 
Data has sex with Tasha, so why not with her daughter? Mata ne.

                                                    -=]> Max <[=-

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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: CNN Headline News
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:07:31 GMT

Carolyn E. Adams-Price (cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu) wrote:

: Sorry the message seems to have gotten lost this time.
: I was wondering if anyone else heard the story on CNN
: this morning about the new TNG stores that will be in 
: some malls.  Apparently, they will use virtual reality
: to allow customers to interact with Picard, Riker, Troi, etc.
: (What a fantasy, huh?  Riker is most to my taste.) Does
: anyone else have more information on this than I do.

Hey!  What about that foxy redhead?????  Troi - YUCK! :(
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:54:42 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

If transportation involves decomposition and reconstitution,
how is it that Barclay's body is intact while he is in the
matter stream? The inside shot of transportation somehow
wasn't what I expected.
The rest of the plot, however was quite watchable and fun.

-- Tim
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From: logan@nexus.yorku.ca (Beryl Logan)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow II **Spoilers**
Organization: York University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:49:07 GMT

<BANNON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:








>Spoilers ahead









>Spoilers ahead









>Spoilers*****

>Why could Guinan interfere with the future when she told
>Picard to get his buns down to the planet with the
>landing party and then later she refused to give Riker
>any clue at all because she couldn't interfere?

also, she mentions in TA1 that unless picard does go down, they will
never meet.  it was far from clear in TA2 why this is the case.  nothing
happens down there that indicates there is any repercussion for their
future meetings.  my several beefs about this episode include the
lack of reasonable transition from TA1 to TA2:  the crew's
instant assimilation into 19th c. society complete with clothes, etc.,
and guinan's acceptance of data - i thought i had missed something
either at the end of TA1 or the beginning of TA2.  and clemens was truly
annoying!
From: demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: star trek TNG censorship: I.R.A. victory
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:29:05 GMT
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab: Fine Food and Coffee

In article <pmcgttgn.718377094@unix1.tcd.ie> pmcgttgn@unix1.tcd.ie (Paul Mc Gettigan ) writes:


> Do any of you trekkies out there know the title of the episode in ST/new generation in which
> a reference is made to a 'fictional' victory of the IRA (Irish Republican Army) over the
> British forces sometime in the 21st century.

Yup. I cannot remember the title, but it was on a visit of the Enterprise
to Ensign Ro's homeworld of Bjoran. I remember being somewhat amused at
this statement, thinking "well, that took some balls..." It was said
by Picard when he was "stolling" with Ro through her war-torn countryside...
the conversation was, I believe, a debate on the futility of 
underground movements, terrorist activities, etc etc etc. as an
effective medium of change.

Someone help me out here, what was the title?

> Due to the all powerful and all censoring anti-republican governments of both Britain
> and the Irish Free State (26 counties) this particular episode was banned from
> the airwaves.

Hmmm...that *is* interesting.




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