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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Toy LIst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:34:00 GMT

As an addition to the previously posted list, I hear on the
radio this morning about a toy called 'the Outrageous Meat Cleaver'.
According to the report, this toy is for kids as young as 5,
and although it is made out of plastic, the edge is sharp enough
to split an apple. Just what a 5 year old needs!
                                 Patti Twigg
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <3916@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes...
>In article <Bxtu9v.EIF@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>|> 
>|> Please don't feel you have to justify why you had one.  But I 
>|> seem to be hearing two things.  In one place you say you'd gladly 
>|> have an epsiotomy to avoid an extra 15 minutes of pushing.  Then 
>|> here it seems you only had one because of the complications.  I 
>|> can't really tell where you're coming from, but either way I 
>|> respect your preferences.  They're valid for you.
> 
>I heard two things from Susan, too, but they're not contradictory.  
>I know _exactly_ where she's coming from--I've been there. First, 
>she'd gladly have an episiotomy to avoid an extra 15 minutes 
>of pushing (me too).  Second, she actually _did_ have to have one 
>because of a vacuum extraction (me too).
>	
>I would like to reiterate Susan's original point--an episiotomy isn't
>_necessarily_ (in fact isn't usually) such a big deal.  Reading these
>postings on episiotomies, a new expectant mother might think that you 
>can't get up and move afterwards, or that you're going to be in dire pain
>afterwards.  Well, that just isn't _necessarily_ (key word here, Peggy)
>true.  

Many people have sent me responses, and most have understood my 
feelings on the subject.  A few have not, so I'd like to spell it 
out:
  1.)  Everyone is entitled to their own feelings about what is 
       or is not a "big deal."  The fact that you don't share 
       this feeling is no reason to belittle it.

  2.)  Some doctors (like my doctor's partner) will 
       *automatically* do an episiotomy.  Its not a matter of
       medical emergency or my preference.  Doing the episiotomy
       is automatic.  

  3.)  Barring medical emergency, the doctor selected seems to
       be the big factor in whether or not an episiotomy is
       done.  Thus, I am in the process of switching doctors.

  4.)  (For all those who have reminded me of this) I know the 
       most important thing is to have a healthy baby.  If you
       feel doctors can do anything they want to you providing
       this is the outcome, that's fine for you.  Not everyone
       shares your feelings.  The baby is the most important
       thing for me too, but in addition to that I want the
       delivery handled a certain way and will do as much as I
       can to ensure that things go the way I want.

- Peggy -
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Potty Training Setbacks
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:38:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

Well, Sean (3 in December) had been doing so well on the potty training,
but in the last couple of weeks it's just come apart. He was almost
there! At one point he would go almost a week without having an
accident. Now he seems to have decided to stop trying. This past weekend
he had three or four accidents each day, and just doesn't seem to
care. Any suggestions??? Is this a form of rebellion on his part?
Should we just put him back in diapers all the time for awhile?
Help!

Richard Darsie
darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sll@aries.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is t
Reply-To: sll@aries.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:43:11 GMT

>I think that they usually don't cut back toward the rectum, but sort 
>of off to the side. I have forgotten exactly why but I remember that
>they cut straight back in some cases. 

I had asked by OB/GYN about this before I gave birth.  She said the
"off to the side" approach was more painful for the mother in healing,
and the straight back, toward the rectum, did have a chance of tearing
to the rectum, but it was rare.  She would do the straight back if "necessary."
I has also read that in some books.

I didn't want an episiotomy.  She gave me one - with out asking - knowing
that I didn't want one.  I was not aware what she was doing until she said
I am doing the episotomy now.  (I was a little upset, but had been pushing
for 2 hours, so I didn't object.)  I didn't tear into the rectum, she gave
me a local before the cut (the only medication I had).  It DID NOT hurt
afterward at all.  I was up and about within 1/2 hour, left the hospital
the next morning.  I even stopped to due some food shopping on the way home.
No problems with sex later either.

The next time (if there is a next time), I will again not want an episiotomy
either.  Just because I do not like the idea of cutting unless "necessary,"
but I won't fear it either.
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:08:13 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <Bxtu9v.EIF@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
|> 
|> Please don't feel you have to justify why you had one.  But I 
|> seem to be hearing two things.  In one place you say you'd gladly 
|> have an epsiotomy to avoid an extra 15 minutes of pushing.  Then 
|> here it seems you only had one because of the complications.  I 
|> can't really tell where you're coming from, but either way I 
|> respect your preferences.  They're valid for you.

I heard two things from Susan, too, but they're not contradictory.  
I know _exactly_ where she's coming from--I've been there. First, 
she'd gladly have an episiotomy to avoid an extra 15 minutes 
of pushing (me too).  Second, she actually _did_ have to have one 
because of a vacuum extraction (me too).
	
I would like to reiterate Susan's original point--an episiotomy isn't
_necessarily_ (in fact isn't usually) such a big deal.  Reading these
postings on episiotomies, a new expectant mother might think that you 
can't get up and move afterwards, or that you're going to be in dire pain
afterwards.  Well, that just isn't _necessarily_ (key word here, Peggy)
true.  I've had two episiotomies--one for the vacuum thing and one
because my daughter's big head got stuck coming out.  After both I
was up walking around within a half hour of the birth.  I could sit
fairly comfortably and I didn't need pain medication.  This was true
for the other mothers I know who had episiotomies as well.  In fact,
among my large circle of child-bearing friends, I don't know anyone
whose episiotomy presented any type of difficulty after the birth.

As Susan said, it does help a lot to use ice packs afterwards, but I 
would want to do that after a non-episiotomy birth too.

So, it is wise to be prepared ahead of time and to try to avoid 
unnecessary stitches, but if it does come to that chances are good 
that it will be no big deal.  

Judy Drake

P.S. _My_ advice for an easier birth and post-birth is: KEGELS, KEGELS, 
AND MORE KEGELS!! ;^)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: uxgisd@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: pnuemonia
Reply-To: uxgisd@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:19:11 GMT

Ok, I've got a question.  Yesterday, my son was diagnosed with 
bronchial pnuemonia.  The doctor did say that it was contagious.
The doctor said he should be kept away from other children for 
about 48 hours.  I didnt mention yet that I'm pregnant (5 1/2 mths)
, I should have.  

My husband was under the impression that our unborn baby could get 
pnuemonia along with me.  He was also under the impression that there
have been cases of where stillborn babies had died due to getting 
pnuemonia while still in the uterus.  Well, I called my doctor this 
morning, told him the story.  He said that, yes, if I get pnuemonia, 
chances are that the baby will get pnuemonia.  But he also said that 
once I'm on medication, it would cure both me and the baby.  He didnt
say anything about stillborns or such.  He did say that as long as I 
was taking care of myself, rest, good diet and such, that I shouldnt 
get pnuemonia.  

Well has anyone heard of the baby dying from pnuemonia before being 
born.  I dont want to be paranoid, but I do want to be informed.  I'm 
thinking that my doctor wouldnt want to tell me something like that if
theres only a slight possiblity.  My Pregnancy & Childbirth book didnt
cover this subject.

Ursula
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lost Song Lyrics - Sesame Street "Captain Vegetable" song
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:05:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1eq2beINNsab@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen) writes:

>The Word is "NO"

Thanks!

>Of course, these songs don't compare to Put Down the Duckie, 
>Elmo's Song, Batty Bat...   ;)

Of course! -- I forgot "Do the Rubber Duck". You don't happen to
know the words to that, too ...? (I'm always singing it to Emma,
but I make up the words as I go along. Of course it's fun that
way too!)
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | "The truth of a property said to be
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End | approximate is something quite diff-
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 | erent from the approximate truth of 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | a property said to be exact."J.Nicod
From: newell@sequent.com (Donald Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tolerance (Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:01:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov16.110140.17777
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.



 > jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes

...
>Please take this to alt.flame,
>
>or somewhere else that I don't read.  I want to
>read about kids.  I want to see information flow,
>communicatin happen, and attitudes change.  That's
>what prompted me to speak up in the first place.
> ..


 This is so astoundingly disingenuous that I find myself gaping with
 admiration. 


 Don N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Not Limiting Sweets (was Re: Halloween Stories)
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:56:54 GMT

In article <119450008@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com> kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue) writes:
>
>I was very interested in Judy's posting.  I have one question:
>
>  If you have had more traditional ideas about food (i.e. that some are
>  "bad") with the parents exercising control and your child in now 5 or 6,
>  has anyone had experience STARTING a "eat anything" model at that age?

The only experience I have with letting a person's wants for food 
regulate itself is my own. At 22 I threw out my scale after obsessing
for years. And you know what? I can still wear the clothes I did then
(well, there are only a few clothes I still want to wear--my tastes have 
changed a lot!). When I got pregnant I started watching closely again,
and I have continued while breastfeeding, but I'm just about to close it 
down again. I crave sweets all day! This is DESTRUCTIVE! I'm not trying
to insinuate that limiting a 5-year-old's diet is distructive; it's my 
particular affliction that's destructive. Now I'm worrying about my 
4-month-old's diet (see two recent posts), and it's just got to stop!!!

Anyway, the book "Fat is a Feminist Issue" changed my mind about food.
It talks about how we [women especially] grow to associate food with 
comfort and with rebellion. It talks about enjoying all the food you 
eat, whether that food in society's opinion is "good" or "bad." And it
talks about listening to your body; sometimes what you really need is a 
hug or a timeout or a nap, not food. I know this was true for me.

I still have limits to how far out on the laissez faire eating I go.
Once or twice a day I get a craving to be good to my body. This might 
be part of the affliction (because again I am not totally giving up 
the "good" and "bad" labels) but since I know I COULD have a candy 
bar instead, it just doesn't seem to be any kind of sacrifice. 
After a big salad with lots of vitamins--and a lot of "bad" salad 
dressing--I don't feel deprived.

If a 22-year-old can benefit from giving up "crime and punishment" 
eating behavior, a 5-year-old certainly can. But don't be surprised if
the first week or two the 5-year-old eats really badly. When I've gone 
through days of eating terribly, I always pop back and look for some 
food that is significantly different. You can help the 5-year-old by 
leaving out things like dried fruit or a bowl of grapes on a coffee
table (my personal favorite) to munch on.

--Ashley Burns, ashley@osc.edu 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pam@netcom.com (Pamela Araki)
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:07:52 GMT


Yeah, I just hate it when people come up to me on the street and
look at my son, then look at me and say, "Looks like your husband,
right?"  This actually happens!

My husband is Japanese and my son looks *completely* Japanese -
I, however, am tall, blond, with green eyes and very fair skin.  If
*I* didn't actually see my son come out of me, I'd have a hard
time believing he was mine ...

I'm just waiting for someone to ask me what agency I adopted him
from!

-pam
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Smart Things They Do, was Re: Young kids, math, & physical modeling (was Re: Is Math Hard?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:02:58
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
	<1992Nov11.195326.25846@ariel.ec.usf.edu> <13670@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov23.162538.9302@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: dal3@cbnewsg.cb.att.com's message of 23 Nov 92 16:25:38 GMT

>He's already playing at weighing and measuring things (without any
>prompting) and has a fair idea of number up to about 20 (and is
>interested in the concept of numbers bigger than 20). How do I keep
>alive his natural curiosity and use it to expand his world-view? 

This reminded me of a little kid (about 2 or 3) I saw in church a few
weeks ago.  He was sitting in the aisle, quietly coloring a coloring
book with crayons (I think that's "colouring" to you in on the other
side of the pond :-).  He layed one of the crayons down on the aisle
(we haven't got carpet yet, so its bare concrete) and it started
rolling away (the aisle is inclined).  He picked it up and sat it down
again and it started rolling away again, he picked it up and sat it
down again and it started rolling away again, he picked it up and sat
it down again and it started rolling away again, he picked it up and
sat it down again and it started rolling away again, etc.  By now
you're thinking this kid isn't very bright... except, he was altering
the angle of the crayon slightly every time until he arrived at an
angle such that it din't roll away.  I don't mean he just sat it down
at a random angle each time; he was methodically change the angle a
small amount each time!  He's a Born Scientist, I guess.
--
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Jeffrey Glen Jackson  _|_Satan jeered, "You're dead meat Jesus, I'm gonna
jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com |     bust you up tonight."
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From: pollack@cs.pitt.edu (Martha E. Pollack)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:09:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


>In article <1992Nov16.151620.7932@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, sgauch@ccs.nort
heastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes...
>>Having had 2 episiotomies that tore (one a 4th degree (i.e. back to the 
>>rectum) and the other 3rd degree (still pretty big)) I thought I'd mention
>>that the episiotomies and tears aren't necessarilay that big a deal.  
>
In article <BxtJ9J.6nw@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy B
rown) writes:
>No big deal for you.  Not everyone shares your ideas.


I just want to back up Susan's posting.  I doubt that anyone wants to
have an episiotomy, but let's face it, for all kinds of reasons many
of us end up with them.  Before my daughter was born, I was, frankly,
terrified of getting an episiotomy.  It was probably THE aspect of
childbirth I was most anxious about: I'd heard all kinds of terrible
stories about how awful they are.  During delivery, I started to tear,
and the doctor ended up doing an episitomoty.  (Was it absolutely
necessary?  I'll never know for sure, but I generally trusted my
doctor, who was by and large non-interventionist.)

For me, as for Susan, the episiotomy turned out not to be that big a
deal.  I was moderately sore for about 48 hours, and fine thereafter.
(And for what it's worth, like Susan I used ice in latex gloves.)

Of course, this is only my personal experience; I'm sure that for some
people the recovery is worse.  And of course I think it's preferable
to avoid episiotomies if possible.  But I think it's useful for
first-time mothers-to-be to realize that if they do end up with an
episiotomy, for whatever reasons, it will not necessarily be too
painful or cause any difficulties.
From: steve@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nuts and Raffis ?
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:04:38 GMT
Reply-To: steve@terminus.ericsson.se
Distribution: world
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England


In view of the approach of Christmas...

Can anyone please tell me at what age it is considered safe for kids 
to eat nuts?

ALSO ....

What the heck is a Raffi?, and why are there 'Raffi-free zones' springing
up all over the US?

Is this purely an American phenomena, or should European parents panic now?

Thanks in advance

Steve Reynolds
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why not 2%
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:47:45 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1150039@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> karen@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Karen Helt) writes:
>This is obviously an area where doctors disagree.  My doctor told me to
>stop giving my daughter whole milk and use 2%.  He said that 2% still has
>sufficient fat.  My daughter is 17 months old and is ~90% percentile on
>weight and 60% on height.
>
>Karen Helt


	It is commonly prescribed thet children under the age of
	2 years old receive a high percentage of their caloric
	intake from fat (something like 30-50%)

	This is for brain develpement.  It is the only time
	in the child's life that this can take place.

	I suggest you follow the doctors advice, and decrease
	caloric intake in other areas to compensate if weight
	is a problem.  But physical size/weight are not the
	reasons your doctor is saying this.  It's brain
	development.

	Of course, as an aside, I'm sure you're not starving
	you kid.  And many of these "standards" are ideals.

	Your kid should get plenty of  fat in his/her diet until
	the age of 2.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: swerhone@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: potty training
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:20:05 MDT

Regarding potty training:

I have a 23-month old who is pretty close to being potty-trained. We
started about a month and a half ago, and she has it figured out pretty
good. We have a bunch of kid's books in the bathroom and whenever she 
sits down on the potty, we look at the books. That makes it fun as well
as a big-girl-kind-of thing to do. 
    I would say to go for it - sure beats washing diapers! Lynne seems to
like it.

    Damini (Proud Mom of Lynne)
    swerhone@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Screaming 18 MO
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:43:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

I agree with Steven's description of how one might handle a toddler's
screaming, but I have to add that I think my daughter is more persistent
with her screaming than his two children were and are. I mean,
she CAN go on for twenty minutes, despite all of my patient
"You can't do that, but you can do this" messages and funny faces
and offers  of food and so on.

I don't call them "timeouts," but when she's screaming for something
she can't have, I say calmly but in a real "MOM" voice, "I'll talk
to you when you've calmed down." Then I walk out of the room
for about 15 or 20 seconds. This often makes her scream louder,
but when I return, she lets me pick her up and hug her, and she
almost always calms down and accepts whatever alternative I've
presented. Lately, I've been resorting to my timeouts earlier
in the process (say, after 2 minutes of trying to redirect her
attention) because I'm trying to teach her to let go of her upset
feelings faster. (I'm also trying to give my neighbors a break.
Georgia sounds like she's being tortured when she's unhappy. :>(  )

Ain't toddlers fun? I've rediscovered my childhood with Play-Doh!

Janine
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rice@cray.com (Jonathan Rice)
Subject: Re: Shareware for children
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:31:20 CST

In article <1992Nov23.154208.14229@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dma9w@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan) writes:
>  Can anyone provide me with information on ftp sites for educational
>shareware ?  In particular I am interested in software for a 4 yr old.

*Sigh*  This used to be a monthly question but the pace is picking up.

IBM PC & clones: oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/education

Apple 2: archive.umich.edu:/apple2

I posted the contents of oak's education directory a few days ago.  Anyone
who would like help with the PC world is welcome to write.  Anyone with info
about Macintosh, Amiga, or other platforms probably ought to post a response.
Reviews of many shareware, public domain, and commercial programs for kids
are in the misc.kids Toys & Games FAQ: write to me with a subject line of
"send toys" for a copy.

-- 
Jonathan C. Rice    | rice@zizania.cray.com |     Anna, 5; Ellen, 2
Cray Research Inc.  | (612) 683 - 5370      | "I'm a man who's rich in
655F Lone Oak Drive | Eagan MN USA 55121    |  daughters." -- G. Brown