HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:16:12 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1687F1062B.CJR10@CCCVM.CCC.AMDAHL.COM>
cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell) writes:

>You're right Donald, every group should hate every other group. Every
>minority group that has been stomped on by a majority group should
>hold that bitter memory for the rest of eternity and make them offer
>retribution. After all, as long as we remember it we can never be
>really equal, can we?
 
>Problem is, just about everyone, gay/straight, white/black, etc. can
>lay claim to injustices done to them by some other group, somewhere
>in history.

I think you have just said, in effect that the Holocaust
should be forgotten.  Not while I'm alive, it won't be, and
I think I share that view with quite a few other people.
Remembering is not what compromises equality; bigotry is.
In the case of racism, it is institutionalized, endemic,
systematic, intentional, remorseless, unabashed,
through-and-through, ubiquitous, and (if the status quo is
not *radically* changed) eternal bigotry.  Forget that, and
hope is gone, utterly gone.

Without in any way impugning your motives, I must say it
seems to me your point that, in effect, "well, everybody's
had some wrongs done to them," discounts and trivializes at
least 15 generations of suffering wrought -- *none* of it
willy-nilly -- by Europeans and their descendents in the New
World.  To forget that is to excuse it, and that *cannot* be
done, in the name of mercy and compassion, if nothing else.
That it would also be ruinous in the practical sense need
not even be invoked.

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:32:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct7.213246.10092
Organization: insert anything here

steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>[Every now and again I think I should just resort to smiley faces.]

	It would have helped --- I'm in severe Vulcan mode...  (but
except for things like words, the thesis is writing itself).

>Bob Donanue wrote:
>   ...But somehow I've managed to get by 
>   in the last 29.985 years...

>And I wrote something that I thought was innocuous:
>   This is a hint, right?  Were we supposed to plan a surprise
>   party or something?  Is this a request for "happy
>   birthday" messages to be broadcast on soc.motss on --
>   is it October 11?

>Bob clarified the date, and wrote:
>   In any case, I still don't understand why you chose to 
>   react the way you did...

>Um, I thought I was being silly.  I was reading along and I
>came to your sentence describing your age to three decimal
>places.  This is unusual enough to catch my eye (though perhaps
>that's because I run in less technical circles than many on
>this newsgroup).  

	Like I said Vulcan mode.

	I sit enlightened.... thanks for bringing me up to speed.

	(Speed, now there's a neat idea --- anyone remember the
SNL skit about the breakfast cereal?)

BBC
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:37:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1b2ltjINNpn4@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:
> 
> My oh my.  I take a short (12 hour) break from posting and
> what happens?  The Girl with the Golden Hair's biggest fan
> in all the world goes ballistic.  I'm still chuckling about
> his assertion that Little Mary influenced Hollywood fashions
> for 20 years (or was it 30?).  That frump?!  What a *scream*!

I *thought* that would bring you back to the table one last time...
What of the assertion that 'Little Mary' serves as a better model
for Madonna than your sorry offering?  Of secondary importance,
however.  There was the Sunset Boulevard sidetrack.  Why, indeed,
bring Sunset Boulevard into the discussion at all?  Yes, why
indeed.  I suspected that - given your adoration for Marlene -
you would immediately leap to Swanson's defense.  

But let us review.  Circa 1949:

Norma Desmond was         Swanson        Pickford

A former Silent Screen
Star                        yes             yes

Wealthier than all the
'new' Hollywood 'trash'      no             yes

Could claim to have
'made' Paramount             no             yes

Real estate mogul            no             yes

Lived in isolated Beverly
Hills castle                 no             yes

Had 'husband' who abandonned
own career to be with her    no             yes

Was still 'powerful'         no             yes

Was bonkers                 probably       probably


Now, which actress served as the model for Desmond?

Adolphson:  Swanson

Melmon:     Pickford


Face it Dolphie - you're *wrong*  Very plain.  Very simple.
Spectacularly well read as you may be, you nevertheless
can miss the realities under all those words.  It reminds
me of the Wrath of Khan - one line in particular:

I'm *laughing* at the superior intelligence, Dolphie.  Laughing.


Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Traditional Family Values
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 01:05:23 GMT


In article <ldbtbeINNc8d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com writes:

>I am truely looking for the 'TRUE' definition of
>"Traditional Family Values".

Glad to oblige:

<> Family Values: the sexist, racist, homophobic, classist,
<> "Christian" values of the 50s.

>Does anyone out there have information on where I can get
>this information.

The most recent issue of _Free Inquiry_ (Fall 1992) is a
series of articles on "Secular Humanism and 'Traditional
Family Values'."  You may find this interesting and pertinent.

<> Spare us, please, from the charge that we insist on "special
<> indulgence."  Understand, please, why we do not place our full
<> trust in the kindness of strangers.  And stop -- in the name
<> of basic decency and simple equality -- demanding of us what
<> no one demands of others. -- Alan Dershowitz
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From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:11:46 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <73392@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>I've tried to find similiar (emotional) movement in opera but can't seem
>to.  Please don't tell me I have to turn in my Queer Card.

Last time I renewed my Queer Card I had to put in the section on opera
that I hadn't actually been to any recently but I did go to a Diamanda
Galas concert.  I got the card in the post a week later...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Staring at the screen, mind going blank about this.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:19:02 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <Bw0o7A.50t@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) wrote:

> Gee, what a wonderful world, I have been spared. Why?
> I hope you weren't expecting gratitude.

Certainly not.  It would be rather like Jack Hamilton's pity -
most unwelcome.

Melmothra, ACC
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Le Jojo on Poppers, the EEC and GATT
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:58:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct14.175805.24256
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

This is such a stitch that I felt I had to bring it to your attention.
Look for Joe Francis's reply to the following question in the newsgroup
sci.med:

In article <1992Oct8.025349.5419@maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes:
>I'd be grateful if someone could tell me
>(preferably by e-mail)_
>
>1) Is the use of amyl nitrate restricted to gays?

Here's the header:

	From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
	Newsgroups: sci.med
	Subject: Re: Amyl nitrate
	Keywords: Amyl Nitrate Legality
	Message-ID: <1992Oct14.151107.13803@ircam.fr>
	Date: 14 Oct 92 15:11:07 GMT
	References: <1992Oct8.025349.5419@maths.tcd.ie>
	Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)
	Lines: 77
-- 
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dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wash 'n Fold (was Re: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.))
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:58:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hoptoad.36700
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Oct9.093700.2089@aber.ac.uk> mut@aber.ac.uk (Michael O Thomas) writes:
>>In article <36316@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
>>
>>|> Hell, I'd pay the $20 to not have to schlep a full laundry basket 
>>|> 4 blocks to the local laundromat, let alone the time wasted watching
>>|> your laundry and folding it.
>>|> 
>    Ahh but launderettes are such great places to read in.  If you read
>Armistead Maupin whilst waiting for you socks to soak you can also pick 
>up some good cruising tips at the laundry.  Surely I'm not the only one
>here to have seen *that* Levis add. Reality used to be a friend of mine.
>Mike.

I'll send my laundry to wash&fold, and read Maupin in bed....

Laura


-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:51:09 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1axz43l@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>Does anyone else find this Madonna discussion just a little bit RIDICULOUS?

Barring Melmon's occasional articles, no, I don't.

>I feel like I've channeled into talk.abortion. Pro and anti people just ranting
>and raving at each other with no real hope of changing the other's position
>on the issue at hand.

And pray tell, my man, just what is "the issue at hand?"  I don't think
it's about Madonna at all, past a certain superficial point, and I think
many of the points raised have been quite insightful.

>GIVE IT UP, girlz! :-)

Yeah, let's get back to more interesting things, whatever they might be...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:46:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct12.155204.14037@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1992Oct12.181600.20654@macc.wisc.edu> <manz.718957072@ee.ualberta.ca>
  <67737@cup.portal.com>

I run out of joss, nationality-wise:

>Brett Manz presses his joss:
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Definition of joss...
>>joss \'ja:s, 'jo.s\ n [pidgin E, fr. Pg deus god, fr. L - more at DEITY] :
>>   a Chinese idol or cult image
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>In James Clavell's novels, "joss" is a Japanese word for "luck".
>                                       ^^^^^^^^
				       *Chinese*, that is.
Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:09:40 GMT


|> 
|> In article <1992Sep24.212925.207@osf.org>, coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Sep24.163242.19955@linus.mitre.org>, jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:
|> |> > I dunno.  Why not Cortell?  That's not too bad.  If you want to be
|> |> > cute, try Cointell.
|> |> 
|> |> <Shudder> I do my best to be cute, myself, but my name doesn't.
|> |> Actually, neither of us is much inclined to give up his name. If
|> |> people want to invent shortened forms for referring to us behind our
|> |> backs, that's fine with me.
|> 
|> So what could we do with "Parkinson" and "Ouzts" 
|> (pronounced "oots")?
|> 
|> -- 
|> Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
|> Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
|> New York, New York  10043
|> The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.


Parkinsouzts?   


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:25:33 GMT


In article <SHAFER.92Oct13114705@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

>Jess> But somebody told me I was a pendant, just the other day.

>Just hanging around again?

Ya might say that, dependent on circumstances.

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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:13:21 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Jeff Norris (norris@infonode.ingr.com),
too big [oh, my] for his britches, wrote:
 
> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> >[...]
> >And I *always* enquire after the dietary
> >preferences of a prospective dinner companion.
> >
> So what happens when the answer is something like 
> "I can't think of anything I *don't* like"?

Free reign for one's creativity.

Being a scientist, I naturally do
my best to discover, experimentally,
the exception to the theory.

> >So there.
> 
> So there, yourself.

Ha!  One more of *those*, and I'll reveal
the significance of the name Helen.

--jns
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: t-shirt idea
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 5326@dsg.cs.tcd.ie, cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:

>The following appeared in alt.fan.dan-quayle in a discussion about
>election campaign bumper stickers. I thought that some of the women here
>might find it amusing.
>
>>Speaking of bumperstickers, I'm going to repost this request, because I'm
>>still looking. I have a friend who has a friend who gave him a T-shirt he\
>>bought in Chicago that says "Lick Bush in 92". If anyone knows a source
>>for bumperstickers with this slogan, please let me know.
>
>
><> "Oh wow! I'm queer! Yippee!"
><>            Revelations 10:19
>
>Ciaran.

Two other great Tshirts I still have from 1988:

George's face in a red circle with a red slash and the caption:

George Bush: Just say no.  [remember nancy reagan and drugs at the time]

The other is:

George Bush:  vegetable or noxious weed?

Howard
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:16:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct15.051609.7691
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Thank you, Jeff, for saying what you have said, particularly:

>I have some advice for y'all.  Try reading what he says, and drop the
>antagonism and see what changes... Perhaps the coversations will go a
>little better.

However, please make no mistake. Just because someone is new does not
mean that one should treat them with kid gloves. In the specific case
of Mr. Melmon, he said some disgustingly offensive things, and he was
deservedly flamed for it (IMHO, naturally).

The trick is to disagree with someone and still leave the door open to
friendly conversation.

>1. A new poster joins a conversation.  This time it is Matt, last time
>it was JD.

John Dorrance? John was severly roasted when he started on the net -
cabal blacklist, all that. I think I posted about this a few weeks ago.

in the spirit of soc.motss.nice,
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                Life in all its rich variety, do not falter
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Denholm Elliott
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:56:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct6.182155.24207@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>
>>For anyone who doesn't already know this,
>>Denholm Elliott has just died at his home in Ibiza
>>of "AIDS-related tuberculosis".
>
>Oh damn.  I suppose I've seen him in dozens, if not scores
>of things, on TV and in the movies -- one of those great,
>self-effacing ensemble players that Britain produces in
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>wonderful droves. 

Heh, heh.  In the British acting community, I've been told,
the ancient actor's adage was expanded to 

"Never work with dogs, children, or Denholm Elliott."
He was a scene-stealer par excellence, and more power
to him.  Damn this epidemic!
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"I'm sorry, I turned off my hearing aid.  Could you repeat the
question, please?"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: TofuTurkey, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:14:53 GMT

My dad was terribly disappointed when I turned veg a few years ago,
because he and I are the only one who "enjoy our food." My mom,
brother and sister are all what my dad calls "picky eaters." 

My big veg story was this: Two thanksgivings ago, Mom left the turkey
in the sink to defrost.  Every time I passed it I would rub the turkey
and say "Poor turkey. Poor dead turkey. Used to be alive, probably had
a family, but now it's dead so we can eat it. Poor dead turkey."  This
upset my mom so much that she finally yelled, "We're not having any
turkey for Thanksgiving next year!"  

Next year rolled around and I reminded my Dad of what my mom had said.
He thought misunderstood me and told Mom that she had PROMISED not to
have turkey for Thanksgiving.  So Mom had to give the turkey away
(she'd already bought it).  We had vegetable casserole type dishes for
Thanksgiving instead, and through dinner, my dad was going, "What kind
of Thanksgiving is it without turkey?"

ObMotss: Fortunately, my vegetarianism at the dinner table does not
extend to my eating habits in bed.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:55:19 GMT

... - and who am I to resits that - I bow gracefully and present myself
to you. Best on a greyscale or a color monitor. The second gif might be
declared obscene by George Madison. All at ursa-major.spdcc.com ,
/pub/motss.pix

Both pictures are over one year old.

Thank you, Steve.
							FJ!!
From: key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: elton john
Date: 10 Oct 1992 03:27:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

i may be a little clueless, so please forgive me.
i just saw elton john say he was a gay man on mtv.
this was during a press conference about his new song,
_the last song_ (which was dedicated to ryan white).

was he out before this?

peter li'ir key, who may be totally clueless
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:56:22 GMT

In article <1b49opINNnsq@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:
> In article 27034@unocal.com, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
> >
> >A book review of a Walt Whitman biography in the NYT reports the word
> >"homosexuality" was added to the English language 100 years ago this year.
> 
> 
> Sounds like a great excuse for a party!

We need an excuse?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:46:33 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Oct16.211053.17441@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

[/etc/etc...]

> CD-ROM and the drive is slow, and lemme tell ya, it *really*
> slows down my posting daemon) 

Hahhhahhhahhh...  OOhhhhh ho ho ho ho hahhha ahhhhha ahhahah
<cough> <choke> <snifle> Hahhhahahahahhahah  hoo  hhaha hah aha
<slap> Slows down!  <whimper>  HHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHHH hahh ahhahahah
<gasp>  <heave>  Slows down his posting daemon!!!!    HHHAAAHAHAHAHAH

Please, stop!  Stop!  Too much!!

<crash>

Melmothra, ACC
(seriously doubting that anything could slow down Anderson's posting
daemon.  Poor wittul thing's running too damn fast as it is to keep
it's wittul bee-hind from bee-ing viowated...)

Matthew Melmon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Answers [really more questions]
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:45:56 GMT

In article <15682@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>[Confess: who still has a copy of _Jonathan Livingston Seagull_?]

Two.  (Oops, those are the paperbacks.  Have it in hardcover, too,
come to think of it.)

Where do I turn in my card?

ObMotss:  Barbarossa was from Lesbos.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu