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From: jimk@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:31:54 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <97306@bu.edu>, sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
> 
> The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
> NBA after an official retirement?
Yes, Bob Cousy, in the early 60's, while coaching for the old St. Louis 
Hawks.  Also, Dave Cowens, to play for a year in Milwaukee for then Coach 
Don Nelson
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Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 15:35:24 -0400 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires

> overwhelmed by the Bulls, but Magic upset the Blazers (I'll never forget
> him flinging the ball down the court in game 6 to make sure the Blazers
> couldn't foul)

That was probably the most heads-up play I've seen in years.

As for the rest of it, I think Magic would have been better off in
retirement.  He will not play as well as he did before (age being
perhaps more of a factor than HIV+), and will not be that valuable (15
million?!?) because he's only playing 50 or so games.  I always had a
lot of respect for Magic, but this is just a money grab on his part, and
I'm sad to see it happen.

Erik Witte
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:57:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt) writes:


>My list of totally key players for the Lakers would be Magic and Worthy.  
>Sure, if one of them goes down.  The team MAY go down.  What would the 
>Bulls be without Jordan or Pippen, Knicks without Ewing, Jazz without
>Stockton or Malone, Blazers without Drexler or Kersey, or the Suns
>without Barkley or KJ?  Please don't use one key injury to one of the
>best players and they're goners cause that's true for ANY team.  Ask
>the Cavaliers!
	
	Well, looking at some of your examples -- as far as the Jazz
	are concerned -- sure they'd lose quite a bit w/ the loss of
	Stockton -- but now they have Jay Humphries to step in, and
	they shouldn't lose too much of a beat, except for depth.  Losing
	Malone would mean more PT for Krystowiak, which isn't a total
	loss, but pretty close.  Blazers w/out Kersey may not be so bad
	because people like Tracy Murray could fill in -- the Blazers are
	that deep.  Suns w/out Barkley is really unknown, because last
	season they didn't have him.  Losing KJ has happened before,
	and Negele Knight responded w/ big numbers.

	U do lose quite a bit when U lose your star player -- but if U've
	got a slightly lesser player who can fill in, and everyone else
	steps up their games a bit -- the loss might not be all that
	devastating.

	Jazzy J

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
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Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pisto
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:41:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvIEq0.42v
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge) writes:

>As for the Mills deal....being a Nets fan, I'm sorry to see him go.  He  
>offered a lot of support from the bench and his absence will clearly place  
>a heavier importance on Coleman staying healthy (Mills started 24 games,  
>most at power forward).  However, $2 million is too much for a guy who is  
>not a quick defender and can't really run the floor.  It's beyond me how  
>in the world he bought that hogwash from Isaiah Thomas about how the  
>Pistons are looking towards a youthful future.  The Pistons are a bunch of  
>old men.  Mills made a mistake by leaving one of the up and coming teams  
>in the NBA..

	I think Mills' decision had to do with the fact that the Pistons are
	in Detroit.  Mills grew up and played HS ball in Romulus, which is
	a suburb of Detroit.  He then played his college ball at Michigan, 
	which again was close to home.  Playing in Detroit keeps him close
	to home, and mom's good cooking (which we all know Mills will gladly
	take advantage of!  :)  ).  He's getting $2 million, and he can live
	at home w/ the folks (kinda like a college student living at home!).
	I don't think it really has much to do w/ the team situation...

	Jazzy J 
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
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Subject: Re: Laker Notes
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:40:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvGpJx.GyF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:

>Compare the (probable) Laker line-up for the upcoming season with
>the line-up of the Western Conference champion Lakers from 1990-91.


>        1992-93  line-up                        1990-91  line-up
>	================                        ================

>	Starters                                Starters
>	--------                                --------
>	Magic Johnson (PG)                      Magic Johnson (PG)
>	Byron Scott   (SG)                      Byron Scott   (SG)
>	Vlade Divacs  (C)                       Vlade Divacs  (C)
>	James Worthy  (SF)                      James Worthy  (SF)
>	Sam Perkins   (PF)                      Sam Perkins   (PF)

	Nit-pick -- it's Divac, not Divacs.

>	Bench                                   Bench
>	-----                                   -----
>	A.C. Green    (PF)                      A.C. Green    (PF)
>	Anthony Peeler (SG)                     Michael Thompson  (C/PF)
>	Sedale Threatt (PG/SG)                  Tony Smith  (PG/SG)
>	James Edwards  (C)                      Elden Campbell (C/PF)
>	Elden Campbell (C/PF)                   Larry Drew  (PG)
>	Duane Cooper  (PG/SG)                   Keith Owens (???)
>	Sean Higgins  (SG/SF)                   can't remember

	Of this bunch, U could compare Edwards & Thompson -- both over the
	hill backup centers.  Threatt is a huge improvement over Larry
	Drew.  However, everyone is 2 years older.

	Oh -- and scratch Keith Owens from the 1990 team.  Substitute Irv
	Thomas for him.  Owens was still a junior at UCLA when the LA Lakers
	last made the NBA Finals.

>  How about chemistry? How is Threatt going to feel being a starter
>  one game and a sub in the other? How is the team going to adjust
>  to Magic's presence and absence? And Magic himself, is he going
>  to be as good as he was in the All-Star game? Will he be able to 
>  motivate Vlade and get the ball to Byron the way he always used to? 
>  And will Worthy be able to bring back old memories?  Only time will tell!
>-- 

	I really don't think Threatt will have any problem switching from
	the starting lineup to the bench.  After all, it's the true team
	player that does what is necessary to win -- and that's Threatt.
	Besides, early in his career at Seattle, he was constantly in and
	out of the starting lineup, as the Sonics were constantly tinkering
	w/ Gary Payton starting at PG.  Threatt will be a threat -- pardon
	the pun -- starting, or off of the bench.

	Jazzy J
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From: se3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Stanley Eng)
Subject: Free Basketball Game
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:03:55 GMT


Free NBA Basketball "Pro Hoops" game to anyone who leaves 
me e-mail at the address given below.  This is a game in
BASIC that I have written myself.  

Needs: IBM PC Compatible machine with GWBASIC.
       pkunzip program to unzip the game file.

Description: A text basketball game relying heavily on statistics.
             There are no graphics whatsoever.  Recommended for
             true basketball fans interested in simulation.
             Real players and statistics from 1991-1992 used.

PS: This is the same game that was issued this summer over this
    newsgroup.  This time it's in a .zip format for easier
    downloading.  (There is less work overall)

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From: tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU (Neill Tseng)
Subject: Shaquille/Sampson
Summary: Is he the next bust?
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:40:22 GMT

I was just thinking about Shaquille O'Neal the other day and all the hype he's
received.  Being from Houston, it couldn't help but remind me of all the hype
Sampson received when he was selected with the first pick in 1983.  Sampson
was a chronic underachiever until injuries ruined his career, but mainly 
because expectations were unrealistically high.  Just wondering, does anyone
think the same thing might happen to O'Neal, that he might be the next "bust"?
Also, it'd be nice if someone could compare the college stats of the two.  I
think that would provide for interesting perusal.

-- 
Neill Tseng (neill@minerva.cis.yale.edu)
The Showdown:  Outrage 7, Whip Appeal 5
Hurt Me...The Legend Lives On (3-on-3 champs of the world)
Ilha Formosa!!!
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Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:06:23 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <97303@bu.edu>, sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.183417.17635@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) writes:
> |> My theory is that the Pistons didn't even want him that much but thought
> |> that Jersey would match the offer.  After all, it worked with Jon Koncak.
> |> I can just picture Detroit's front office personnel, sitting around in
> |> shock.  "What do you mean, they didn't match the offer?!?!?"
> It's a ridiculous suggestion. What's the point of making an offer
> if u don't really want a player? Just to spoil other team's salary pictures?
> WHen the team is not even in your division?

Minor nitpick: Atlanta is in Detroit's division (the Central).

I would make an offer if I didn't really want a player, IF AND ONLY IF I
could be sure the other team's GM is a doofus.  Sacramento and the
T-Wolves are good historical examples.  Other times, you can take 
advantage of a barely-above-doofus GM by bidding up the price on a
stiff with the label "potential" (i.e. Koncak).

Don't worry about NJ being in a different division.  For the most part,
all that matters is conference finish.  If NJ had matched the offer sheet,
the benefit derived from sandbagging the Nets is every bit as real to the
Pistons as the benefit derived from sandbagging a divisional rival.

Fortunately for those of us who hate Pistons woofers, the Mills move
blew up in the Pistons' face.  It will be nice to see them in 6th place
in a 7-team division once again.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

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	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
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	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 14:43:38 PST
From: Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Heat Trade Speculation

In article <1992Sep25.014335.5371@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
says:
>
>
>C-  Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem ...
> -  Close call, but I think Hakeem is the much better talent.  He blocks more
>    shots, steals more balls, rebounds better, and scores about the same.
>    I think he is the leagues 2nd best Center (D. Robinson being #1), with
>    Ewing a distant 3rd.
>

  This week's Lor Challenge:

  I have the impression that Ewing and Robinson routinely
stomp Ewing in direct matchups.  Do the records bear me out?

Tom Hyer
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:16:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.230609.7069@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
>Just heard on the radio that Magic has officially announced that he's
>coming back to the Lakers.  He will play 60 games this season, and won't
>play back-to-back games.
>
>I'm disappointed.  While I think it's good that someone can show that
>getting tested HIV+ doesn't mean that you drop dead, I don't think that
>Magic will ever be as good as he was.  Not necessarily because of HIV+,
>but because he's another year older.  
>
>I thought he was not at the same level on the Dream Team as he was with
>the Lakers.  Granted, he would become more used to the Lakers over the
>course of a season, and he was rusty, but the Lakers don't have 4 
>superstars out there with him.  

How can you tell who's on what level with the Dream Team?  The only player
that stood out was Barkley...even Jordan shot under 50%, I think.  I thought
Magic played pretty darn well.

>Never having been in the spotlight myself, it seems to me that a lot of
>Magic's reason for coming back is to get back in the spotlight.  The
>public is fickle, and they've got new heros to watch.  I thought Magic
>was a terrible announcer, but I was willing to put up with that 
>indefinitely in recognition of what he's meant to the game.   But does

I don't think that's true.  I think whatever Magic Johnson does, he's always
going to be in the spotlight for better or for worse.  I think he's coming
back because he LOVES basketball and he misses the game so much.  Every game
that went past must have been agony for him.  Not only that, he's still a
top notch competitor.  With him aboard, the Lakers are nothing to laugh at.
Before he retired, I thought L.A. would have a better crack at the finals
than they did before (with the acquisition of Threatt, who solved all their
weaknesses against the Bulls before).  If the older guys can crank out one
more season and be rejuvenated by Magic's return, there's no reason they
can't be dominant for at least one more year.
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls v. Knicks -- Who will win?
Keywords: n
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:44:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


People here keep talking about Bulls-Knicks match-up. First of all,
NY will need time to put their bunch of individuals together as a team.
My beloved Celts will sure contend for division title with Knicks. Even
if Knicks will get to be 2-seed in play-off ( which i really hope doesn't
happen) they will have to play Cleveland in quaterfinals. I like Cleveland's
chances much better. Chicago is still one dimension higher than other teams
in the East, last year in Chicago-NY series Knicks were a distant underdog,
fighting for life, while Chicago had to stimulate themselves for competing
against a much weaker team. Speaking about Cleveland, even though they
haven't made any off-season moves, they are still a great talented young
team ( Nance is the only elderly player ). They played real good against
Celtics last year. What people here think about where Cavs belong this year?
Igor
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:59:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa
Summary: Pato

In article <1992Sep28.195659.260@tc.fluke.COM>, mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel) writes:
> In <1992Sep23.230447.6155@fasttech.uucp> zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
 [...Discussion things Duckworth is doing or should do to
 
  1. Get his weight down
  2. Improve his attitude, and
  3. Get his game back
 
deleted...]

> 
> If anyone can confirm or deny this let me know.
>

I can confirm that we have this discussion every year around this
time. But Kevin never listens.

Paul
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:25:13 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Oct2.215944.3131@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>Ahhhhh. This is simply a contract extension.  So, in 94-95 the Lakers
>will have absolutely no one on their roster, since they can't pay anyone,
>since they used up all their cap on Magic this year.  Makes perfect
>sense to me.  I now understand where that money came from, it just
>seems like a big price to pay.  Magic this year for no team in '94.
i

That was my first reaction too. Now assuming that they aren't completely
nuts, this can't be the actual case, you couldn't afford to play one
player virtually your entire salary cap and have 11 guys at the NBA
minimum, the team would be horrible.

So is this a personal services contract like those USFL contracts that
FLutie and Steve Young signed, or is there some other complex reason
that allows the Lakers to do this?

I'm not accusing the Lakers of anything funny here, just wondering what
exactly there doing.

On another salary note, I read where David Robinson will hold out if
his salary isn't raised, because his contract guarantees he will be 
paid the equivalent of the average sslary of the 2 highest paid centers
in the league. SInce Shaq's monster deal, that salary is now about
5.5 mill. If they give him the raise, won't Ewing move below him in
salary and be declared a free agent since his clause lets him out of
his contract if he's not in the top 3(remember the Warriors plan to
pay Mullin so much that Ewing would become a free agent and then
the Warriors could sign him)?

This salary stuff is really getting complex, how does the NBA ever sort
this stuff out?



Russ Smith
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: DETROIT PISTONS
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:47:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.165706.2776@doug.cae.wisc.edu> birdi@cae.wisc.edu (Harminder Birdi) writes:
>suppose its not Chuck Daly. Also, whats the lineup
>of the Pistons would be for 92-93 season ?
>
>Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
>Keywords: 
>
>
 
I heared that the Pistons are planning to trade Dennis Rodman. Jeez !!!
Has the piston management lost it's mind. Taking Dennis out of your team
contradicts the philosophy (tough D and ability to fight for the
rebounds) which took the Pistons to #1, 2 yrs in a row.


							Ramesh H
From: alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Scottie Brooks Info (was Re: Rockets Trade)
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:47:14 GMT
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Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
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In article <48038@shamash.cdc.com>, jblixt@neon.cdc.com (jon blixt) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.181023.1771@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>>>>>I just read that the Minnesota Timberwolves have traded guard Scott Brooks to
>>>>>the Houston Rockets for a 1995 second-round draft choice.  Anyone have any
>>>>>info on Brooks?
>>
>>So does this mean Laettner is going to put his name on the dotted line in the 
>>near future? They seem to be clearing away any salary cap problems (Campbell
>>and now Brooks)...
>>
>>						Dennis J.
> Dennis,
> 
> Woofie management is appearently waiting for the #2 pick, Alonzo Mourning,
> for the Charlotte Hornets to sign first so they can make Christian a 
> similar offer.
> 
> -Jon

Actually, it's Laettner and his agent who are waiting for Mourning to sign not
the T-Wolves.  Assume they want to make sure they get close to the same amount. 
The T-Wolves should have enough room under the cap now to pay whatever amount
it ends up being.  (Assuming Mourning signs around the 2.1 - 2.4 estimates I
have heard lately.)

		Alec
From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Clippers
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:02:22 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

Richard P. Muller writes:

>	The Clippers should be a strong team this year. IMHO they've 
>made some mistakes in the off-season (losing Edwards!), but for the
>first time since I've been following them they have a solid starting
>5:
>
>C:   Roberts / Polynice
	        ^^^^^^^^

	Nope.  Polynice will be wearing Piston blue this season.  But in
return, you got William Bedford, who is a young player with a ton of talent.
Of course, the same has been said about Benoit Benjamin for years and years.

>   [  Rest of the roster deleted ]

>	Now a couple of questions:

>(2) What kind of outside shooter is Jackson? He looked pretty good in
>the playoffs against the Bulls. Outside shooting is still the Clippers
>weakness.

	He's a servicable outside shooter, but I'd rather have him take it
to the hole.

>(3) What kind of playmaker is Jackson? Harper, especially, depends upon
>a great playmaker for his game. He has poor shot selection when he has
>to think about it on his own, but can be awesome if he has someone to 
>give him a great shot.

	If the Clips want to run, Jackson will serve them well.  If not, well,
it ain't gonna be too pretty.

				- Dev
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls v. Knicks -- Who will win?
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:07:59 GMT


Peter: in one breath you suggest I don't have a clue and in the next
you are raving about my "good" point.  Perhaps, the person here who
needs to do some serious thinking about this season is you.  Maybe
Greg Anthony can fill the role, MAYBE Rivers and Blackman can have
good years, MAYBE Smith will play defense and rebound.  Maybe, this is
a lot of maybes for a team which has pretensions to be the best in the
league.  I don't see it, especially since I have no great respect for
Mark Jackson.

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From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Subject: knicks
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:31:58 EST

rand@muttley.ucsd.edu (Rand Steiger) writes to All

RS>Maybe they won't beat the Bulls but they will sure give them a run
RS>for their money!

"A run for their money"??????

What do you call last years playoffs? The only team the Bulls had
trouble with was the Knicks. The series went seven.

Improvement for the Knicks is BEATING the Bulls!

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^
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