HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: k. d. lang At Radio City Music Hall
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug28.204547.14926@PacBell.COM> 
 rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

>In a rapturous review in today's New York Times, "pop" music critic
>Jon Pareles adds:
>    Her current tour is Ms. Lang's first since she publicly
>    acknowledged that she is a lesbian...

Ah, but you didn't quote the funny anecdote from that review.
Apparently k.d. announced, partway through the concert, that she had
something she'd been wanting to tell her fans:

   "I'm a L- L- L- ..."

After drawing out the suspense as long as she could, she finished
"...Lawrence Welk fan", and launched into a Welk-esque number,
complete with bubble machine.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "Do lesbians always travel in schools, like fish?"  --J.N. Shaumeyer
  "Naah.  We travel in packs, which are a lot like schools but massively
   more menacing."  --Melinda Shore
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:07:34 GMT

In <1992Aug26.941.54425@dosgate> "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
>Just thought I'd mention that Canada's Human Rights Code was
>just declared unconstitutional by an Ontario Court of Appeals because
>it does not offer protection to people for reasons of sexual 
>orientation.  This means that they will probably rewrite the law to 
>allow for protection of homosexuals.  In fact, Ontario and three other provinces 
>already have legislation in place to protect Gays and Lesbians.

>Given that fact, perhaps some of you exhausted American Gays should
>consider visiting Canada for the next 10 years or so.  We'd love to
>have you, and it probably won't be long before same sex marriages are
>allowed up here, so we could get you across the border that way...

>So, how 'bout it?  Come to the cold country with the warm heart!
>Paul D. Bobbitt
   
   We just may HAVE to and start an underground railroad to get our
   brothers and sisters out of this country if the Republican party
   and the folks in Oregon get their way. 

   I swore that I would grab the nearest gun and head for the hills
   if our rights, as meager as they are, were ever abrogated.  I fear
   we may be on our way.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: why do people post?
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:34:19 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>once again, guys - gay men, by their own account - appear on soc.motss
>and say
>      (1) i dislike nellies/queens/fem-gays.
>the question is: why do people bother to say (1) in the first place?
>why are they telling us these tattered old things?

	Insecurity.  They want someone to validate their beliefs so
they can continue to not work them through.  In the Fundie sects,
the same is true of spiritual insecurity: it's much easier to follow
along "because X says I should" (where X is some authority figure, not
necessarily deified [and usually not deified]) than it is to work
out the parameters of ones faith oneself (which is of course how
you gain salvation - as opposed to embezzling it thru the power of
TV ministries...).

	Also it's the megaphone effect: if I say "it" loud enough and
often enough perhaps it will become true.  Look to the RNC for a
perfect example of that.  OF course the Sun comes up the next Monday
and the country is still as culturally elite and to a small-degree
individualistic than it was before the RNC...

	I think though that teeny little part of them want to be 
"converted".  SAying something in a forum where there is no hope of it
being received, sends me the signal that they want to find the singular
argument that lets them jump from (1) to (999) without having to 
admit their insecurity or that they "were wrong".

	Unfortunately (for them) the responsibility for that path lies
with them alone.  There ain't no training wheels for self-discovery
and self-acceptance.  It's one rocky trail after another.

	... just that SOME people prefer to wear more
comfortable shoes than others do... :-)


BBC
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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:53:26 GMT
Organization: LLNL


	And while we are on the subject of "Family Values" in the
Bible, let us not forget how many wives some of the kings of Israel
had had. Lots more than one.

	And let us not forget Lot's daughters making him drunk with
wine and having sex with him in that condition.

	And if one reads the New Testament carefully, one has to
conclude that the ideal kind of family life is being celibate -- and
single. Consider what Paul said about marriage being for those who
couldn't manage celibacy.

	I've got a whole list of unflattering things in the Bible in
the form of my Biblical Satanic Verses [WARNING! Some of what I
comment is NOT very pretty, so if you are sensitive about that sort of
thing, it is best not to request.]
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deb Price on Bush
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:20:08 GMT

kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux) writes:

>Deb Price, a lesbian with a partner of 7 years, writes a column that appears
>Thursdays in Gannett's _Democrat and Chronicle_ in Rochester, New York; below
>is this week's column retyped without permission [all typos mine].

>"Bush won't accept gay lifestyle as normal"

>Despite warnings he was committing political suicide, President Truman put
>himself at the forefront of the dominant civil rights struggle of his time: 
>equal treatment for black Americans. 

Poor George has been trying to play Harry Truman in this election.

Margaret Truman Daniels, Harry Truman's only child, recently said, "I knew
Harry Truman.  Harry Truman was a father to me.  George Bush, you are no
Harry Truman."

Poor George is more like Herbert Hoover.  Actually, isn't his name George
Herbert Hoover Bush?

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 20:40:32 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison):
> Steve, do you have to *work* at being this big an asshole or were
> you born this way?

he's enrolled in arne's twelve step program.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
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From: jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge)
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
In-reply-to: nelson@reed.edu's message of 31 Aug 92 01:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: jontom@ileaf.com (JT Kittredge)
Organization: Interleaf, Waltham, Mass
Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.52.65 of Mon Apr 22 1991 on kontrol (berkeley-unix)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.010457.22206@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>Robert Mapplethorpe's photograph of David Hockney and Henry Geldzahler
>sitting together on a wooden deck. Hockney is lying horizontally on a
>bench parallel to the plane of the camera, and Geldzahler is sitting
>by Hockney's head with his back to him, looking to the right.

>The photograph is intensely erotic to me, and has been since I first
>saw it 6 or 7 years ago (before I realized I was queer). They are
>hardly touching (if at all), and they are completely clothed. It's the
>marvelous intimacy of the two men, the way they are sitting together.

>You have to see it.

This calls to my mind an evening I spent some years ago with friends
of mine, long time lovers. We were watching some show, and my friends
were on the couch together. T was sitting in one corner, his legs out
in front of him, watching the television. M was lying full length on
the sofa, his head on T's breast, and with T's arms clasped lightly
about M's chest. M had dozed off.

It was an intensely beautiful scene for me, and I had to force myself
to stop looking at the two of them. How I wished I were a photographer
and could capture them, just as they were then! I would have plastered
this image of male partnership on posters across Gay America -- "At
Home Together". Instead I just plastered it on my memory.

Yours in motss, JonTom

-- 
"'Life is distracting and uncertain'
  she said, and went to draw the curtain" - The Eleventh Episode, Edward Gorey

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Texas
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:15:11 GMT

In article <la83b4INNo1a@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.072645.9298@reed.edu> 
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>> Did you all take Texas
>> history in eighth grade, like we did? 
>
>No, we got to learn all about Father Junipero Serra, and the
>missions, and Pio Pico, and wickiups, and the Yang-Na and Chumash
>Indians, and acorns, and metates and manos, and the Gold Rush,
>and grizzly bears, and stuff like that.  Fun stuff.  Stuff I
>think about *every* *single* *day* of my life.

What, not even a single year devoted entirely to the life and times of
Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys?  What a wasted education.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:15:44 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Sep2.003538.29809@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.190952.1417@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>Oh I just get all *shivery* when KKruella waxes wroth!
>Imagine how Wroth feels...

Keep that *WICKED* *SINFUL* child out of this!


KKruella
ry@usl.com
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:24:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug28.200452.1250@fig.citib.com> <1992Aug31.010457.22206@reed.edu>
  <1992Aug31.012609.20095@PacBell.COM>

Nelson Minar writes:
>(brave Greg Parkinson) writes:
>>What do you like?  What makes you stop and say
>>"ooooooooh"?
>
>Robert Mapplethorpe's photograph of David Hockney and Henry Geldzahler
>sitting together on a wooden deck. Hockney is lying horizontally on a
>bench parallel to the plane of the camera, and Geldzahler is sitting
>by Hockney's head with his back to him, looking to the right.

For some reason, this reminds me of that *MAGNIFICENT* Robert
Opel photo of two long-haired, bearded hippie-type guys sitting
on a bus stop bench, reading -- and holding hands.  I'm sure part
of it's because I find the men attractive, but there's a kind of
innocence and emotional beauty to the photo.

>You have to see it.

Ditto.  I've been trying off and on to find out where I could
secure a print, or if that particular photo was included in any
collections of Opel's work, but to no avail....
 
() Nothing is impossible for anyone impervious to reason.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:00:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Aug26.160734.7637@bradley.bradley.edu>, larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
> In <1992Aug26.941.54425@dosgate> "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
# #Just thought I'd mention that Canada's Human Rights Code was
# #just declared unconstitutional by an Ontario Court of Appeals because
# #it does not offer protection to people for reasons of sexual 
# #orientation.  This means that they will probably rewrite the law to 
# #allow for protection of homosexuals.  In fact, Ontario and three other provinces 
# #already have legislation in place to protect Gays and Lesbians.
# 
# #Given that fact, perhaps some of you exhausted American Gays should
# #consider visiting Canada for the next 10 years or so.  We'd love to
# #have you, and it probably won't be long before same sex marriages are
# #allowed up here, so we could get you across the border that way...
# 
# #So, how 'bout it?  Come to the cold country with the warm heart!
# #Paul D. Bobbitt
#    
#    We just may HAVE to and start an underground railroad to get our
#    brothers and sisters out of this country if the Republican party
#    and the folks in Oregon get their way. 

Yeah, as if anyone would want to force homosexuals to stay.  I'm
sure it won't take long for the Canadians to lose interest in
their national health insurance plan, once they get the pick up
the costs of AIDS in a big way.

#    I swore that I would grab the nearest gun and head for the hills
#    if our rights, as meager as they are, were ever abrogated.  I fear
#    we may be on our way.

Funny, that's how a lot of straight people here in California feel,
what with the homosexual community imposing its moral code on the
straight population.

Of course, you better hope that Clinton/Gore don't ever make an
expedient political change -- because you won't be able to get a gun
to head for the hills with.  Electing Bush *may* get you a police
state (though I doubt he's clever enough to make it happen); electing 
Clinton guarantees it.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:47:00 GMT


In article <15934@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Since I am not married as of yet, willing suitors are
>>perfectly welcome to try being charming. 

>Try? Honey, if they have to _try_, you are wasting your time.

No no, it goes this way: if they don't try, they're wasting
their time.

(trying not to be trying about it)

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: the openness of USENET
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:34:35 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.181607.8546@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Shows what's been happening with my karma, I guess.  John
>Fisher will say "jesus wept, Steve Dyer will say "there *is*
                             ^"
>a god," I will have to hide my face from myriad jeers, some
>of which (only a tiny number, I insist) I might deserve.

>I promise not to swear or leave my breadcrusts any more,
>honest.

Not enough, apparently.  OK, um, lemme see what else can I
toss in?  Oh, I got it: I promise I'll do my laundry by this
weekend (that's a biggie, ought to take care of it!).

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:48:16 GMT

Since Hurricane Andrew struck southern Florida 9 days ago, That Man
In The White House has visited Florida twice, promised nearly $30
billion in federal aid, and ordered immediate military assistance to
the region.  250,000 people are without homes, and 33 people are dead.

Since AIDS was first uncovered in the United States 11 years ago, Those
Men In the White House have virtually ignored the disease, reluctantly
agreed to spend no more than $1 billion per year, and inhibited any
kind of public education efforts aimed at preventing the further spread
of HIV.  1,000,000 people are estimated to be infected with HIV, and
more than 100,000 are dead.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Politics is at play in the land.  The only *fucking* reason that George
Bush pretends to give a damn about Florida is because it has 25 electoral
votes.  That's all he cares about!  If the hurricane victims didn't vote,
he wouldn't give a damn.  He wouldn't even lift a finger.

If gay people had electoral votes, AIDS would have received the proper
attention it should have many, many years ago.

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:07:00 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

I confounded Fruitbat once after several thousand gin-and-tonics by asking
him if he queued for the lift or stood in line for the elevator.

I must kerb these behaviours!
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

cruising: vidi, vici, veni.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:45:41 GMT

In article <64990@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Shawn Hicks writes:

[asking for help finding a good hotel or floor space...]

>This is one of the biggest gay-oriented parties of the year for
>SF; probably second or third, after Gay Pride, and possibly the
>Castro Street Fair.  People book their hotels for this weekend
>literally *MONTHS* in advance. (There are two on 9th between
>Folsom and Harrison that are considered "prime" -- and which
>have been sold out for at least a month now.)
>
>I hope you can find space with friends, 'cause reasonably priced
>rooms anywhere *near* Folsom Street are going to be dratted
>hard to find at this point.
>
>>We're both Folsom Virgins and need guidance.  :)
>
>DO remember this for *next* year.  ;-)

George, dear, have faith. I'll be there *this* year.  School just started
and I had to wait to see my schedule.  Next year I won't have this 
problem. (I'll be begging for a job instead ;> ) 

Several Motssers mailed me great suggestions, and even the offer of
some prime carpet space. This is a great place to thank them for
their helpful and constructive input! 


Shawn
From: phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:05:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <1992Aug24.051927.24479@microsoft.com>, georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> ) nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> ) >And [Flash Gordon, the movie] does have Brian Blessed
> ) >(hmm, maybe I do have a bear affinity.. weird).
> ) >Brian Blessed shows up in the strangest shows - he was in one
> ) >of the Colin Baker Dr. Who episodes.
> 
> ) And "High Road to China" (Selleck vehicle) as an Afghan leader, and
> ) "Black Adder I" as the King, and Branagh's film of Henry V as someone
> ) I don't remember, I Claudius as Augustus (but he's clean-shaven, feh)
> ) and (what else????).
> 
> About ten years ago he was in a BBC TV series called something
> like "The Little World of Don Camillo", based on a series of
> very funny Italian short stories about an old priest (played
> by Cyril Cusack, I think) and his arch-enemy, the communist
> mayor (Blessed).  I think he had only a moustache, alas.
> 
> He was also in "Z Cars", a 1960s or early 70s BBC cop show.
> I don't remember anything about this programme, but it gets
> mentioned in the followups anytime Steve starts drooling about
> Blessed Brian. :->

He was also in a BBC series called "My Family and Other Animals" set
somewhere Greek. I remember reading the book that the series was based on
at school. It's about Gerald Durrel (I think?) who's a naturalist, and who
spent some years as a child living with his family on a Greek island.

So just how many Video Queens *are* there around here, and how do I join...
:-)

-- 
Phil Jimmieson,           ***********************************************
Computer Science Dept.,   * JANET    : phil@uk.ac.liv.csc               *
Liverpool University,     * INTERNET : phil@csc.liv.ac.uk               *
PO Box 147                ***********************************************
Liverpool  L69  3BX       "I failed the test as proof-reader for The Sun,
(UK) 051-794-3689         as I couldn't count up to two..."
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From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:29:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug24.163010.14690@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM> michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
+
+There is NOTHING else.  This is the Big Showdown.  Now or never.
+Judgment Day.
+
+At least 6,000,000 Jewish people were killed in Germany because a
+plurality of a nation placed it's hopes in a man who told them that
+the grave economic problems they faced were caused by a monster
+within.  In 1932, the monster was the Jews.  In 1992, the monster
+is us.  Gay people.

I don't frequently see any one crying over the some 10 million(est.
off the top of my head, could be much more) Chinese and Koreans which
were killed by the Japanese from 1900 to 1945. In fact the ocupation
of the area by the Japanese became a 'problem' only when the US and
other western europeans, in particular Britan, came in conflict with
Japan for economic access to China.

But then they were all 'gooks' and don't have repsect for life like
europeans do.

But back to A Hitler, to counter the Republican nonsense about
spending, Hitler and company took Germany's 40% unemployment in
1933 to 1% in 1936 via public works spending. Also, there was an
aggressive government management of business. In fact that ideology
is still in use to a certain degree in Germany, but even more so in
Japan. The Axis powers may have had their armies distroyed but the
social structure has essentially remained. It would seem that only
in the USA do we still retain the idea that business is it's own
best boss (well mabye in England too, isn't that what the 
Thatcher miracle is all about?)
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu