From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: Why I am an atheist (long!)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:45:03 GMT

locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:

>In article <sbuckley.714808795@sfu.ca> sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
>>locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:
>>
>>>I suggest you read the man's post again, he questioned the edict against
>>>pre-marital sex..You have chosen to skirt this issue entirely.
>>
>>  actually, the relevant part of douglas's post that i was refering to
>>doesn't appear in your post.  in that relevant part, douglas claims that
>>christianity assersts that sex is disgusting.  a misunderstanding of
>>extreme proportions [especially for people like my soon-to-be married
>>roomate!  :) ]

>Some forms of chistianity do. The prohibition on premarital sex among most
>forms implies this...

  actually i don't see that as a necessary consequence of no premarital sex.
it's a view not founded in the bible.  read the song of solomon for
a good account of the beauty of sex.

>>>It is not just the usenet & has nothing to do with it. It is a large-scale
>>>phenomenon, diseases like pat robertson are an example, as are Jesse helms
>>>and Pat Buchanan
>>
>>  sorry, i don't follow american politics *that* closely.  if you can
>>give an example of coerced belief in god, i'll probly have a response.

>Its ubiquitous; some are trying to ban certain types of music & art because it
>offends their religious sensibilities (ala Jesse Helms), prayer in public
>schools is under consideration, our damn coins say, "in god we trust" 
>Chew on these; I will supply more...

  well, i guess you're free to not trust in god and do away with your
coins :)  but i know that the constitutions of both our countries are 
founded on christian morals and i know that that is part of the argument
for trying to return to christian morals.  i also know that many oppose
this for two, of many, reasons:  they don't like christianity, and 
they don't approve of christianity imposing itself on a pluralistic 
culture.  but i respect the rights of people who try to influence our 
culture to allign itself with what they believe is right, this goes
for any citizen with whatever truth they proclaim.

>>>on birth-controll (which come from the biblical "sin of Onan") are largely
>>>responsible for the ecological disasters around the world. Idiots like you
>>>who look starry-eyed at the afterlife are also responsible for not caring
>>>to preserve the eco-system for our progeny.
>>
>>  i'm afraid you haven't seen my enviro-activism track record.  i will

>NO and I don't care about your individual track record. It is christianity as
>a whole I am concerned with...

  sure, but don't be so easy to condemn those christians who aren't part
of the problems that have come from other less successful christians.

>>not debate the sources of poverty and ecological disasters because we will
>>end up agreeing on most of it.  my argument is that while the bible not
>>only says we are responsible for stewarding the planet, there is also
>>the responsibility that goes along with that privelage.  while that

>Bible quotes please. You are reading in something that isn't there.

  o.k.  i'll be looking.  but meanwhile, why don't you look for some
quotes that show that the bible condones destruction of god's creation.