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From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: profesional help...good?...bad?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr6.205400.7858
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1APR199216063065@zeus.tamu.edu> jdlhelp@zeus.tamu.edu (LEROY, JAMES D) writes:
>1) some people just don't get along good with counselors etc., 
>2) some people just get ahold of some bum counselors, etc.,

I fall under #1 because of #2. My sister was/is a juvenille deliquent and
therefore my family was subjected to various shrinks and counselors as they
tried to figure out what was wrong with the family that made her this way.
Until they decided the family was fine and she was the fuckup. 

That gave me a distrust of shrinks, etc, which I still have. We had 5 or more
psycologists, shrinks, conselors, etc who were, IMHO, schmucks. They acted like
they had it all figured out because they read a book and when they turned out
wrong or my parents contradicted them they said we were being uncooperative.

I have had a lot of shit go down in my life, so I don't trust people easily
anyway. This coupled with my past experiences has made me avoid counseling at
all costs. I would rather die than talk to a shrink. 

I should add that I do talk to some friends who have proven to be trust worthy
and that that can be cosidered counseling. I mean to say that I avoid 
profesional counselors.

>3) counselors, etc. are just not any good dealing with suicide.

I wouldn't make this generalization. I know people who plan on becoming 
counselors who have already help people (ie. friends) deal with depression.
They're good at it, but I also know couselors who suck royally.

>5) or is there also a lot of people who really benefit from counseling.

Some people benefit, some don't. People are different. I have friends who
swear by their counselors, and I have friends who can't stand counselors.

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From: gsmith@bbn.com (Graeme Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Attempted suicide
Keywords: laff
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:25:39 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


taken without permission from a neighbouring news group...this
chap must have been desperate for conversation..

A video of this would definitely win "America's Funniest..."

From 4/6/92 Boston Herald:

Kenmore NY - A man who leapt from a fourth-story windo and survived by
landing on a car, rode an elevator back up and repeated his suicide
attempt - jumping from the same window and landing on the same car.

The 30-year-old survived both 40-foot leaps, and was in fair condition
yesterday at a hostpital in Buffalo, police said.

In his first attempt Saturday morning, the man "had to take a running
leap because those windows don't open," Palombo said.

He dove through a double-paned window, landing on the car, buckling
the roof and doors and smashing its rear windows, Police Capt. Emil
Palombo said.

Although dazed and bleeding from facial cuts, the man got up and
walked to the building's elevator, a witness told police. 

"He was cut up, there was a trail of blood going into the hall, up the
elevator and into the room," Palombo said.

Kenmore Police Lt. Ronald Sardina arrived at the six-story building in
time to see the man make his second jump onto the crumpled car.
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Professional help...good?...bad?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:14:04 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

jdl3020@summa.tamu.edu (LEROY, JAMES DAVID) writes:
>BTW what would be a good sedative to use for the trash bag method, that would
>be real real easy to get and work perfect.

If you mean a sedative that's easy to overdose on, there is no such thing.  
If it's easy and works well, it's only available via prescription -- which 
means you have to dupe your doctor, which isn't quick but is possible if
you're patient and sufficiently deceptive.

If you mean that you plan to suffocate but want to go to sleep while it's
happening -- and if you're going to suffocate, you definitely do want to be
asleep -- then I would imagine that any old sleeping pill would work, as
you're not trying to overdose on it.

Cheers,
Monica
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Subject: Re: group
Supersedes: <92103.212607U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 11:25:54 CDT
From: Mary Jacobs <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>

In article <12APR92100714@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu>,
razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (The Artful Dodger) says:
>
>        Well, inevitably someone like yourself comes along and
>makes an asinine statement like that, and we jump on him, he
>gets depressed, commits suicide, and we sit back and wait for the
>next no-clue jerk to come along.

Perhaps this group should be renamed:  "alt.venus.dietrap"

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From: jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland)
Subject: I am still hanging on...
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:05:56 GMT

    Hello, my little friends.
    Just a note to tell you that I am still around.
    I haven't read any posts, really.
    Maybe I need to start keeping up with my newsgroup better.
    
           Lost love
           Lost hope
           Big stool
           Strong rope

           Tight noose
           High jump
           Knot slipped
           Crash, Thump!

           Try again
           With a gun
           Might do it,
           This one
 
           Pull the trigger
           Hear no bang
           Feel no worries
           Feel no pain.

                      (c) 1992  Jimetal    Overlord of ASH


          
                 I seriously was gonna kill myself last week.
                 For some reason, I decided to go to sleep and worry
                 about it another day.
                 My manic phase kicked in and I felt better.
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Attn: Mary Jacobs (WAS: Re: REASONS FOR KILLING ONES SELF)
Date: 1 Apr 92 01:10:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr1.011035.17019
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Originator: jon@cyclone


The self-righteous tone you take in your totally misguided postings
absolutely amazes me.  How can profess concern for someone's feelings 
when you blatantly interfere with a person's life.  Your behavior is
that of a hypocrite.
-- 
<jon@mitre.org>


I think, therefore I am...     DANGEROUS!
-- 
<jon@mitre.org>


I think, therefore I am...     DANGEROUS!
From: 881111w@ace.acadiau.ca (PAUL JOSEPH WILLIAMS)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: GOODBYE
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:00:34 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

WELL I ONLY POSTED A FEW ITEMS HERE, AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE ONES WHO 
REPLYED. MY ACCOUNT RUNS OUT ON THE 20 OF THIS MONTH, AND I WILL NOT HAVE A 
LOT OF TIME DO DO MUCH POSTING. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SAY GOODBYE.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK WENDY, YOUR MESSAGE MEANT A LOT TO ME THANK YOU
PAUL WILLIAMS
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Maybe it would be best
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:22:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.1992Apr6.182216.8897
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

>
>Recently, my life has gone to shit. I feel so empty, ashamed, and
>hollow inside. I really don't want to live anymore. In the long run,
>it would help the person I love most in the world. I don't know why
>I'm posting this, maybe it because I heard it is good to talk about
>suicide.
>
>I hate myself....
>sadness



I think it does help to talk about it..i mean..it's probably why a lot
of "us" post on this group ...and then some of "us" (demons and wendy's)
are sadistic as well...it's an awful feeling you have...it's hard to know
what to say except..keep talking about it to someone..someone..you feel
can empathize with you...

Sounds..feeble to say good luck..but I wish you well..

-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: bags o' stuff
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:32:09 GMT

In article <92101.115127U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> Mary Jacobs  
<U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.215137.1618@ryn.mro4.dec.com>,  
bloom@tarkin.enet.dec.com
stacks o' stuff deleted.........

> I would question this method for reasons of environmental pollution.
> Just think of all the nonbiodegradable plastic products that will be  
added to
> the environment if persons so inclined adopt this method en masse--not  
to
> mention the loss of human beings to pick up the trash after themselves.
> 
> I suggest the creation of a biodegradable "body bag" in which the person
> might wrap her/himself in toto.  This would make the ensuing "cleanup"
> much easier for the person drawing this odious duty and save our
> environment as well.  I have a name for the company too:  The Green  
Reaper.
> (I don't expect that casket-makers would like my
> concept however.)
> 
> Perhaps there is an alternative to becoming human trash--self-wrapped
> for disposal.  I hope so. . . . but I do agree that ultimately it is
> the choice of each what we will be and how, and when we choose to  
"be--NOT!"
> 
Sounds a bit like that song from Dr. Demento, "Send Me Off To Glory in a  
Glad Bag";-)
lev
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Hey..SET..Guess What
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.1992Apr6.224500.12033
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu


I know you're out there..Set..sorry I've been so happy the past
few months..but it should be gratifying to know..that *it* caught
up with me again..the sun shines..birds sing..flowers bloom..

And..I feel like my heart's being eaten out slowly by my old
demon..

My eyes blurr with tears..I can't even find solace in my "art'
..right..art..(cynical laugh)..tourist crap...I feel like burning
everything I've painted..

Didn't some artist do that..?..nah..it was probably just a tv
movie...

Anyway..I know *you* know the feeling...........

Help..I need some of your dark cynical poetry to end this whining
drivel...

sigh

-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Hey..SET..Guess What
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:01:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.1992Apr9.020144.7343
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <conibear.702670159@cunews> conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear) writes:
>In <1992Apr6.224500.12033@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>
>
>>I know you're out there..Set..sorry I've been so happy the past
>>few months..but it should be gratifying to know..that *it* caught
>>up with me again..the sun shines..birds sing..flowers bloom..
>>"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
>>						-Kali
>>**************************************************************************
>
>Yo, Great Fanged One!  (Oops, sorry, I mean, "Pardon this interruption
>by this thy humble servant, oh Mistress of Death and Hemoglobin and
>Alle Things Nastie and Stuff...")
>
>I feel a bit like I'm butting in, since your original message was to
>Set, but then again it WAS on the Internet, so here goes...
>
>Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease don't go on an art-burning binge just
>because of *it*!  If your inner demons are anything like mine, can't
>you embrace them as a (darker?  flawed?) part of yourself, and go
>create a different flavour of art?
>
>Only reason I haven't gone shopping at the local neighbourhood
>Tricyclic Antidepressants 'R' Us is that the music I write during the
>dark times sounds a lot better than the happy, smiling music from days
>when things are going well.  Could it work the same with you?
>
>(And if that doesn't change your divine mind, Oh Goddess, could I
>store Your art at my place instead of having You chuck it in a local
>volcano?  That way, if ever You want it back, it'll be available.)
>
>Reverently yours,
>
>Dave
>
>_________________________________________________________________________
>DISCLAIMER:  My employers don't like me worshipping during working hours.

Thanks, Dave...you were right..bout the art thing,..I exhibited yesterday
with another local artist and he could sense I was down..(usually..I'm
the cheerful one in the group)...he felt it was because of the tourist
stuff..he refuses to paint it..I told him my real art was at home and that
I was more or less reluctant to display it...(i mean all that black and
dripping blood..in the islands?..well..now that I think of it;->>>

So..I went home and only worked on my "real" stuff..and it worked out
better and I feel fine today.....so..I won't burn it..but it is
thoughtful of you to offer to store it..it sells pretty fast..I'll
work on my dark stuff again this evening and I'll be back to my regular
evil self in no time..

You didn't interrupt..I lost Set's email address..so that's why I
posted..

Back to the studio..umm perhaps my claws need feeding..they look a
little pale..and uh..well..that neighbor that keeps singing in the
shower...umm..

*fanged Kiss*
kali
.

-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
**************************************************************************
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 11:51:27 CDT
From: Mary Jacobs <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: RE: Professional help...good?...bad?

In article <1992Apr9.215137.1618@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, bloom@tarkin.enet.dec.com
(Euthanasia) says:
>
>[text deleted]
>>>Of course, should you change your mind before you lose consciousness you can
>>>always save yourself by simply removing the trash bag.

>are still conscious enough to remove the bag yourself. After you lose
>conscounsness all bets are off. Just make sure nobody is around to find
>and rescue you.

I would question this method for reasons of environmental pollution.
Just think of all the nonbiodegradable plastic products that will be added to
the environment if persons so inclined adopt this method en masse--not to
mention the loss of human beings to pick up the trash after themselves.

I suggest the creation of a biodegradable "body bag" in which the person
might wrap her/himself in toto.  This would make the ensuing "cleanup"
much easier for the person drawing this odious duty and save our
environment as well.  I have a name for the company too:  The Green Reaper.
(I don't expect that casket-makers would like my
concept however.)

Perhaps there is an alternative to becoming human trash--self-wrapped
for disposal.  I hope so. . . . but I do agree that ultimately it is
the choice of each what we will be and how, and when we choose to "be--NOT!"

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| U45301@UICVM           |  not the view of  |native than to obtain the |
| U45301@uicvm.cc.uic.edu|     the " U "     |superfluities."--Thoreau  |
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From: trudel@aramis.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Pat Morita Stars in the Suicide Kid (Parts 1, 2, and 3)
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:20:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Life on, Life off!
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear)
Subject: Re: profesional help...good?...bad?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:59:27 GMT

In <92093.115040JOANNE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <JOANNE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Here's the thing that puzzles me: I'm depressed, suicidal, feel like
>shit, and yet I'm supposed to make a thoughtful decision about my
>health care provider? NOT!  Or, how do you know you really need
>a good counselor until you're almost over the edge - then, how
>do you choose one who's good for you- yes, I've been there and
>still am and have also discovered there are good and bad
>therapists like anything else.

It strikes me that putting thought into the decision will only help
to a small extent.  Face it, it's going to be like a lottery at the
beginning.  Pick ANYONE (your favourite friend's favourite therapist,
for example, or the third one in the referral list from your doctor),
and worry about shopping around AFTER you've met at least one person.

I say this because I feel getting out there and doing SOMETHING is
the most important step.  Finding the perfect therapist is important,
too, but is really fine-tuning in comparison... don't let the 
difficulty of finding a good one put you off looking at all...

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From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: group
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:05:09 GMT


In article <92104.112554U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>, U45301@uicvm.uic.edu (Mary Jacobs) writes:
> Perhaps this group should be renamed:  "alt.venus.dietrap"
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | Mary Jacobs            | This is MY view;  |"There is another alter-  |
> | U45301@UICVM           |  not the view of  |native than to obtain the |
> | U45301@uicvm.cc.uic.edu|     the " U "     |superfluities."--Thoreau  |
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

And perhaps you have a lot nerve criticizing the behavior of others in this
group.  Just go away before you hurt someone else.
-- 

<jon@mitre.org>
From: bloom@tarkin.enet.dec.com (Euthanasia)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: RE: Professional help...good?...bad?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:53:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ryn.1992Apr9.215137.1618
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


[text deleted]
>>Of course, should you change your mind before you lose consciousness you can
>>always save yourself by simply removing the trash bag.
> 
>What about any possible brain damage, within the first 5 minutes and
>afterwords too?

You will not have any brain damage the first 5 minutes, especially if you
are still conscious enough to remove the bag yourself. After you lose
conscounsness all bets are off. Just make sure nobody is around to find
and rescue you.
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Isn't it obvious?
Keywords: suicide
Date: 1 Apr 92 15:13:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr1.151334.15572
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Apr1.073537.10183@doug.cae.wisc.edu> daeron@cae.wisc.edu (Meyer Daeron) writes:
>Ah yes... suicide...
>
>Isn't it merely a permanent solution to a temporary problem?
>Then again, if your whole life is a problem, perhaps it should be eliminated.
>Perhaps suicide should be made mandatory as punishment for those people who
>cause problems in the lives of others (i.e. mass murderers, dictators, etc.).

It usually is....in most places its called a firing squad or capital punishment.

---Steve

-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
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From: spettigr@caen.engin.umich.edu (Scott C Pettigrew)
Subject: Re: Why suicide
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 16:17:16 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Apr6.181649.8734@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>
>How well you put it..(as usual)..I rarely think about suicide when I'm
>depressed..well..unless it gets very very bad..and I gaze longingly at
>my "hoard";->>...I agree..I want to either go out in a blaze of glory..
>very dramatic..or..pleasantly..in a beautiful place..complete with
>waterfall..lagoon..flowers..ummm..sounds like Hawaii;-)
>
>
>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
>						-Kali
>**************************************************************************

Oh, sure, Kali...rub it in, now... Even though I'm enjoying the lovely
springtime weather in Detroit, MI (rain, sun, snow & hail all in 15 mins)...
your descriptions of Hawaii don't get me down...really!



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