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From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:18:29 GMT

In article <By3M8B.600@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
|I went from a GSRX750 to an RGV250. I want better handling, lighter
|bikes. Blasting down a straight line (the only thing big bore, big hp
|bikes are good for) isn't my idea of fun on a bike. Give me twisty,
|windy road ....

  You forgot a very important aspect of big bore bikes - the ability to take
a *passenger* without a large loss in acceleration.  I took a new passenger
for a shorter tour of the county's twisties (she only had time for about 150
miles worth, out of the 1000 miles+ of possible twisties).  I usually ride
solo (and often out-handled by some riders), but made the compromise of having
a big-bore bike, partly for the straight line thrills without giving up a lot
in the curves, and partly for the ability to take a passenger along without
it detracting from the acceleration/handling much.

  I agree, to some extent - there is nothing to beat a light bike for
handling.  Although, if you are going to criticise big bore bikes, I think
you would do it from a more impressive platform than a RGV250; like a 500
 Gamma, at least :-).

  Sure, big bore bikes, just by the virtue of having more weight, are not going
to be as nimble and fun in corners as a light bike, but even an RGV250 can get
wasted in twisties (even real *tight* twisties) by a bigger bore bike, simply
because there usually ARE some straights, and there is ALWAYS someone better
than you.  (Then there was this guy on an old 305/350 somesuch Honda, with
2" wide tires, it looked like, that could out-handle most people in the
twisties up on Mt Palomar, just by the virtue of being really *good* and
awesomely smooth).

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: WHAT WAS IT?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:54:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) says:

>In article <1dpv8sINNfhm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>saw an interesting bike today....first..some facts..i'm a wanna be
>>biker..sort of..never had one..but i love bikes..and like to read
>
>     [stream-of-consciousness posting deleted]
>
>>variations..and maybe some performance specs for it..just to satisfy my
>>curiostiy..email'd be nice.but posting is ok too..thanx!
>
>This must be the guy that wrote Bush's speeches.
>

you wanna tell me why?, and whether or not that is a compliment?
thanx for the help
DREW
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Engine "Blueprinting"?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:12:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1egftuINN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 10248@rtsg.mot.com, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>I have heard the term "blueprinting", as applied to engine
>>rebuilds many times, 
>
>All engine parts are built to within tolerences, but since, for
>example, pistons are picked out of the piston box at random, there is
>no correlation between the tolerences on the piston and those on the
>cylinder.
>
>Blueprinting an engine means rebuilding it with parts where all the
>tolerences work the same way (max diameter piston, min diameter
>cylinder).
>
>It's on of those "huge effort/expense for a tiny fractional increase in
>power" tricks that only racers care about.

Well, I'd have to disagree...many engines can gain 10-25% more hp
from "blueprinting", and become *more* reliable. A 25% gain is
not what I would call tiny.

Problem is, this applies mostly to old tech motors. Modern ones
are already almost blueprinted right in the factory, due to the
enormously improved manufacturing processes we have today.

I understand that blueprinting a cbr600f2 will give you an
average of 6hp extra at the rear wheel...

Regards, Charles
DoD: 0.001
RZ350
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: BDIVOs in general
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:46:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.114504.12514@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>Diana Boyd (dboyd@informix.com) wrote:
>: In article <1992Nov17.173848.26320@twg.com> nolan@twg.com (Broderick Crawford)  
>: writes:
>: > 
>: > Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw
>: > Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197 
>: 	
>: 
>: What's "woman's work"?
>: 
>: Diana
>
>Screwing men?  God am I sore, today!  I wish I was built like a woman, hey,
>I'm delicate down there, you know.  Beware the lusty woman!
>
>Apart from giving birth and screwing men, I can't think of anything that is
>specifically "women's work".  I don't think I'm wrong in this, do you agree?
>
>Nick (the Bruised Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   "Treat Your Man Gently"

NO. Women's work: Shopping, cleaning house, laundry, yardwork, male sexual
                  gratification, waiting on me hand and foot in between.

    Men's work: Fixing whatever's broke, female sexual gratification, being
                appreciative of things listed under "women's work", and 
                taking the wench riding or fishing.

Jeff Achenbach (male sexy pig, and very content with the arrangement)   

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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:22:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152707.11695@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>I look at it a little differently.  If someone is not a regular passenger or
>a motorcyclist in his own right, he hasn't the experience to make an informed
>decision.  Now, that in itself is not a good enough reason to infringe on
>someone's right to ride at any risk level they choose.  What really makes the
>difference is that *I* am *responsible* for their safety.  No matter how you
>feel about individual rights, the fact is that the driver is responsible in
>LARGE part for the safety of the passengers.As long as I have responsiblity,
>I also have the responsiblity to INSURE the safety of my passengers as much
>as I can.  That means that the rider wear's at LEAST as much protective
>equipment as myself.  (That is, if I have one helmet and Miss Perfect want's
>a ride NOW, I will forgo the helmet myself, and any other safety equipment
>that I can, in favor of dressing up Miss Perfect.  If M.P. wants to continue
>to ride with me, she can use my pillion equipment, or get her own.)

	Good point. If I dump I'd feel much better hurting myself than
	hurting my passenger. I don't want to feel like I put them in a 
	dangerous position through my own negligence. I'd rather deal with
	putting myself in danger (through my own stupidity, no one else's).

>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take

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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:13:21 GMT

From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)

   A BMW boxer is a good choice. Reasonably fun on dirt roads and twisties
while still capable on long boring straight stretches. However, were I
looking to buy a used (or new) bike, I'd take a hard look at Moto Guzzi.
..

Jeff Achenbach

    I second both choices.  Both good reliable bikes.  My Guzzi has
a 300+ mile range per tank of gas, and is comfortable for me for
hours on paved roads, and not impossible to handle off of them.
There is enough power to haul some luggage at freeway speeds, and
unless one or both of you are very tall, plenty of room for a
passenger (I'm over 6'3" and it takes a big passenger to bang
my knees into the heads).

    Have a good trip.

    Al Moore  DoD  734
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:15:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 17753@csrd.uiuc.edu, leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:
>
>I have to agree with Mike on this one.  Peripheral vision as defined
>by my Webster's New World Dictionary

1. Dictionary definitions are for people who can't handle reality (or
was that drugs...)

2. You (and Mike) are splitting hairs.  Whether the vision is
peripheral or just "over there" (moving your eyes) is not the point.
The point is that wearing a helmet compromises your vision.  To dispute
the fact is an exercise in futility.  Put on a hemet and see (get it?)
for yourself.

Personally, I think the trade off between reduced vision and protection
is, on balance, a positive one, but that's my choice, not my
legislature's.

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:53:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.151034.13305@rd.hydro.on.ca>,
jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
|> In article <BxrrnM.Bt4@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland
|> Besserer) writes:
|> >
|> >But they do still make it. It's called the RD350R, has an updated,
|> twin
|> >headlight, full fairing and is made in Brazil under license from
|> Yahama.
|> >Imported into Britain it's about 3400 pounds
|> 
|> Wow, try to back that out of a parking space!
|> 
 Back it out you say, me I'd stick an 8 foot flag on its
center stand lever, maybe even add a boom and sail to it.
What a boat that must be.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Squash or slide?
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:23:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


OK folks, so whats the net wisdom (!) here? Do you slide and wear yourself away
in a short red stain; or tuck up an roll to avoid the rash, travel further 
and end up under an oncoming cage as a hedgehog impersonator?

For uneducated colonial irrigants, hedgehogs are spiny flat animals whose
natural habitat is dark roads.
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ZX-11 front brake.
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:09:11 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Nov18.092422.45@rediris.es> marrevola@rediris.es writes:
>> |Any advice to improve the front brake performance of a ZX-11?
>> 
>>   Improve how?  Feel?  Stopping distance?
>> 
>>   What's wrong with your ZX-11's brakes?
>> 
>> Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>> ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>> DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
>> 
>
>I'd like to improve feel and braking power. I think that this brakes are not
>enough for a 147 HP bike... For instance, the CBR900RR brakes are far superior.
i>
>Cheers,
>manolo[taf.fundesco.es
>ZX-11
>DR-600-S
>DoD #1033




How exactly would you define 'braking power'?
I can lock the front wheel of my ZX no problem, in fact it's too easy 
to lock up the front wheel. 
A ZX is much heaver than a CBR900, but then again someone in
rec.autos posted some formula on braking distances and he claimed that the
weight of the vehicle didn't affect the distance(what he actually claimed is
that the greater weight of a car would allow it to create larger braking
forces thus canceling each other out). How does this apply to bikes?


If two brake systems(for the same bike) both have the power to lock the 
front wheel but one is better, what is it that makes it better/stop in a 
shorter distance?  Isn't the front tyre(and suspension) the limiting factor??

Is it the feel of the brake that allows you to use maximum pressure without 
locking the front? Is it the lead time of the pads from when you first pull on
leaver to when they really start to grip? Is it because greater
effort is needed at the leaver at higher speeds?  How does the friction
of the pad come into play, apart from needing more/less pressure on the leaver?
I know about brake fade but that is more applicable to the race track, or is it?


What I am trying to ask here is: What can a aftermarket brake system
(calipers,pads&discs) offer you apart from greater fade resistance? Do they
truely offer reduced stopping distances? If so how?








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Montreal, Canada.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.033924.25567@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>>
>Oh horse shit!  If you don't want to wear a helmet then that is your
>preference, but don't try to justify your position by arguing the same tired
>old vision and hearing theories.

I agree. 

>A helmet does not limit your forward or
>perpherial vision.  DOT requires all helmets to meet a minimum p-vision of 105
>degrees, I don't know to many folks that have p-vision beyond 90 degrees.  As

Allow me to qualify this. If I bother to think about it, I can see the sides 
of my helmet, but I never notice it while I'm riding, even when I look around
my glasses to check my blind spot. I can see a lot better with a helmet and
a shield than I can with the dirt in my face on my bicycle.

I'm not justifying helmet laws, but I offer a statistic. When the helmet law
came in in Quebec, the number of accidents/ bike registration went down.
(This was commonly attributed to proper eye protection). On this basis,
it's unlikely that a helmet will cause an accident. There are exceptions
to everything, of course, but what do you do to *minimize* the risk?

>damage so you don't need to remove it to hear.  Even wearing a helmet I hear 
>much more of what's going on around me than I ever do in the cage.

Very true. And you see more too. And many motorcycle accidents are unassisted,
anyway, in cases where the rider missed or misjudged something right in front 
of him, in the road!

People who hold their babies in their laps in the front seat of a car are
truly stupid or sadistic. People who go hatless because they honestly think 
that helmets are dangerous are not paying attention (get a friend with a
baseball bat to hit you over the head while you're wearing a helmet, remove
helmet and repeat...). People who understand the risks but put up with them
for what they consider to be a better quality of life (we all do it, it's
just a matter of degree) are just making a choice.

How many of you have *never* been down? If you're one of them, have you ever
had a close call where the only thing that got you out was good luck? It's
dangerous out there. The other drivers are a menace. We make mistakes. Please
unserstand what you're getting into when you choose not to bring your safety
gear.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang) writes:
>
>Well Ed. I have serious doubts that a neon yellow, orange, green, pink, etc.
>west will do you much good when you are hitting the concrete or aiming for the
>gravel after breaking on a spot of oil or sand. However, a god helmet might do
>the trick. Makes sense, huh, Ed?
>

	prevention is better than cure. would you rather minimize the
	effect of hitting concrete or the things that lead to your hitting
	concrete?

	peace,

	- ravi

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From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: R100GS/PD ramblings
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:43:16 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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	And Now for something comepletely different....

			How much did it cost $$$$????

						Ryan
From: warkenti@CAE.Mitel.Com (BJ Warkentin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikes Indoors and Riding with Gas
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:55:09 GMT
	<BxLy1t.Eqz@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> <4302@cvbnetPrime.COM>
Organization: MITEL, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com's message of 17 Nov 92 15:47:37 GMT

In article <4302@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:

   Since we're on the subject of gas tanks and gasoline - there seems to be 
   two schools of thought on putting up your bike for the Winter where:

   1) You drain, ventilate and store the tank - drawback: chances of rust
      forming from condensation.

   2) Fill the tank and add a stabilizer - drawback: still a posibility that
      leaking gasoline can gum up carbs. and maybe even the crankcase.  Also
      a fire hazard unless stored properly.

I would suggest #2 with the addition of pulling the feed lines and
draining the carbs. Viola you have stablized gas for that first spring
ride, no rust/condensation issues. Still have a fire hazrd but I store
my bike in a well ventilated garage.

BJ...warkenti@CAE.Mitel.Com    |   XJ650K and DoD#0255
Kanata, Ontario, Canada        |   I want a new toy...
I really didn't mean it quite that way, or did I :->
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Handling Problems - HELP!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:39:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 17526@spdc.ti.com, achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:

>       When you do something to a piece of machinery and experience a sudden
>   drastic decline in performance, don't waste your time and complicate matters
>   by trying to compensate with a bunch more changes. If possible, return 
>   said machine to it's previous state as a sanity check. If operation returns
>   to pre-fucked-with-it performance, you know where the problem lies. If not,
>   figure out what else you may have screwed up along the way. 

This sounds and *awful* lot like debugging computers!

Good advise, Jeff.

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GTS1000A gripe
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:26:07 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

With regard to BMW panniers:

BMW do not buy their cases from Krauser anymore, and haven't since 1989 at
least.  They seem to have fallen out with Krauser and now have their panniers
made elsewhere.  The frames are black plastic stuff which are very good and
the panniers do not fall out or open anymore.  I speak from personal experience
of over three years of abusing the BMW panniers on Kay, my K100RS.  I have
loaded the panniers far beyond their recommended carrying weight and have
driven over rough terrain and at far higher speeds than BMW recommend.  One of
the problems I have with them is that they leak water because I have forced 
them to close several times when I shouldn't ie when I had overfilled them or 
put an awkward shaped object in them.  I live with the results of my own 
mistakes (four children also!).

When I was at The Bike Show (NEC, Brum) I talked to one of the head guys on
the Krauser stand and he was quite vehement in his condemnation of BMW and
their "dreadful" attitude in not using Krauser panniers anymore.  He said that
their panniers were much better than BMW's.  I disagree for at least one main
reason, and that is that BMW make panniers to fit their bikes which you can
see if you look at a panniered BMW, the bike-side of the pannier case fits
into the space below and to the back of the seat which makes the overall width
of the panniered bike several inches narrower.  I remember my previous bikes
with Krauser panniers and how wide they were.  Several times I have caught a
pannier on a cage and once had an accident because of this.  With Kay, I have
to be obscenely close to do such a thing.


Nick (the Verbose Biker (today))   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Rogets Thesaurus


M'Lud.  "Shut up!"