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From: jifeng@fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Jifeng Zhang x-6315)
Subject: Re: What about Tibet
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:05:24 GMT


In article <9208200440.AA08937@nero.wustl.edu>
fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:

>I have always been puzzled by the collective behavier of a nation.
>Take Japan as an example. Most Japanese I know are extremely
>polite and courteous people. But as a nation, Japan was
>notorious for her cruelty.

>The above argument can, IMO, be applied to just about any nation: USA, 
>England, China, etc.

>Let's talk about an unpopular event about the recent and current
>atrocities that China has been and still is imposing onto Tibet.

>Despite all the inhumane things imposed upon them by invaders, the Chinese
>and the Korean still have their cultures intact. The Tibetans are not
>that fortunate. Their entire culture is destroyed and there is no
>hope to gain independence soon since few care about such a 
>(materially) deprived, unstrategically-located country like Tibet.
>But I and other fair-minded people (and I believe some fair-minded
>Chinese) do care.

>Before China banned foreign reporters into Tibets, I saw a TV documentary
>portraying a line of Tibetan Buddhist monks being herded onto a truck.
>The bystanding Chinese soldiers continually punched and kicked the monks
>as they walked by them. Then, without any seeming provocation,
>, one Chinese soldier approaced a monk and hit the monk's head with
>his rifle's butt. The monk collapsed to the ground, body shaking like
>a clubed fish, before laying still. I was shocked to see such a lively
>(deadly) incident on the TV screen. No wonder the Chinese government
>banned foreign reporters in Tibet.

>I have also read in a newspaper somewhere (can't remember which one)
>that the Chinese soldiers often forced Tibetan monks and nuns to
>perform sexual intercourse in public in order to humiliate their
>vows of celibacy.

>Like I said earlier, I am puzzled at the collective behavior
>of a nation. Most of my Chinese friends, like their Japanese counter-
>parts, are polite and courteous. I hope some fair-minded Chinese
>would sympathize with the Tibetan people and criticize the government
>whenever they have chances to do so.

>-Tawit

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Help save planet earth ...Dispose your pride properly.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

Friend, do not be so sure about your knowledge of Tibet. I suggest you go
to Tibet to have a look if you really worry about Tibet. Some real stories
on Tibet human rights published in HXWZ one or two months ago, which formally
published in Zhong1 Guo3 Zhi2 Chen1, and in which the story contradicts 
what you have claimed.

Jifeng
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:43:24 GMT

In article <0095F0D0.53E0E840@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
> >> 
> >> 	Why does Japan do well?  It doesn't demand the US to say sorry for
> >> the nuclear bombing each and every time an US president visits.  It  
doesn't
> >> refuse the US "war criminals" to donate money for their postwar  
> >reconstruction.
> 
>        Why US need to say sorry to Japan ? It is totally uncessary. Think
> about how many people Japan killed during WW -II then you would think they
> desreve to recieve some bombs.
> 

No! You are wrong! The people killed in Japan by the nuclear bombs are just  
civilians. The civilians did not deserve to die in such a horrible way. If  
Japan need to say sorry to Chinese, then the US should say sorry to Japanese  
too.

The point here is not whether the Emperor of Japan should apologize to Chinese  
people. The apology seems meaningless if the Japanese don't want to apologize.  
You simply can't force them. I found we Chinese always want to save our faces.  
In fact, the best way to save our faces is to build a stronger China.

Without a strong China, no matter how loud you cry for respect from other  
peoples, you simply won't get it.


Carl
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: air force and Taiwan
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:55:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to recent news appeared in British news papers, the USA, France
and Israel are interested in selling F16, Mirage 2000-5, Kfir (Israel's
copy of Mirage) to Taiwan air force, which are believed in closing
stages. It said that the three met strong oppositions from China. The
final results from them are yet to be seen.
From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Who knows the CPU time difference?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:36:28 GMT

Is there any computer guru who knows in detail the difference
between Pascal and Fortran regarding the CPU time? 
Is this true that the code in Fortran runs faster than the one
in Pascal? How times fast? 

I need the infomation desperately.

Thanks for your knowledge.
Zhiming
From: <TS5806@ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: ( Chinese ) Chess program for Mac
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:34:00 GMT

   Does anyone know if there is a Mac version of Chinese chess
program ?  Where ?

Thanks

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zwang@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Zheng Wang)
Subject: Looking for a friend
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:22:57 GMT




Hi, we are looking for Mr Liu Qun who was a grad in Nuclear Engineering
at Ohio State University and graduated few months ago. He also stayed in
Xi'an Jiaotong University before. If any boby knows his new address or 
phone, please let us know or contact us at 609-924-5432. Thanks!

Zeng Ming
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why should we demand the "Japs" say SORRY to China?
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:49:07 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes: 
>>> 
>>> 	Why does Japan do well?  It doesn't demand the US to say sorry for
>>> the nuclear bombing each and every time an US president visits.  It doesn't
>>> refuse the US "war criminals" to donate money for their postwar  
>>reconstruction.
> 
>        Why US need to say sorry to Japan ? It is totally uncessary. Think
> about how many people Japan killed during WW -II then you would think they
> desreve to recieve some bombs.

Well, I don't think you would like to be hold personally resposible for
the TAMS massacre, for instance.  The US used nuclear bombs to kill almost 
a million innocent Japanese people who DID NOT kill anyone, and who SUFFERED 
the WWII.  The US did not bomb Tokyo, where they could at least kill a few
"war criminals" with a huge "collateral damage", but they chose to kill
innocent people ONLY for political resons!

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:06:59 GMT

You mean Chinese Government should apologize to Kerean about what have been
done by Machurian and Mogolian conqueroors, Dang dynasty emporors ... etc?

We should ask Xi An City Government, in Shaanxi province, to apologize
for what Qin2 Shi3 Huang2 (First Emporor) has done to all other chinese
provinces (2000+ years ago, states or countries).

Huachen Pan
-------------------------------------
the account i am using is not necessarily mine
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Lou4 Shi4 Ming2 ( Tang2 . Liu2 Yu3 Xi1 )
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:10:24 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

&&>>In article <1992Aug20.112232.13917@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
&&>> xm1@cec1.wustl.edu (Xingdong Ma) writes:
&&>>Hi, folks!
&&>>Please enjoy the famous "Lou4 Shi4 Ming2". I think most of us
&&>>have already known this article.
&&>>=========================================================
&&>> 
&&>>                      Lou4 Shi4 Ming2
&&>>  
&&>>                       Tang2 .  Liu2 Yu3 Xi1
&&>> 
&&>>    Shan1 bu4* zai4 gao1, you3 xian1 ze2 ming2;
&&>>    Shui3 bu4 zai4 shen1, you3 long2 ze2 ling2.
&&>>    Si1 shi4 lou4 shi4, wei2 wu2 de2 xin1.
&&>>    Tai1 hen2 shang4 jie1 lu4**, cao3 se4 ru4 lian2 qing1.
&&>>    Tan2 xiao4 you3 hong2 ru2, wang3 lai2 wu2 bo2*** ding1.
&&>>    Ke3 yi3 tiao2 su4 qin2, yue4 jin1 jing1;
&&>>    Wu2 si1 zhu2 zhi1 luan4 er3, wu2 an4 du2 zhi1 lao2 xing2.
&&>>    Nan2 yang2 Zhu1 Ge3 lu2, xi1 shu3 Zi3 Yun2 ting2.
&&>>    Kong3 Zi3 yun2 :" He2 lou4 zhi1 you3 ?"
&&>> 
&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------
&&>>    bu4(no) is usually sounded as "bu2".
&&>>    I don't know how to write "green" in pinyin. 
&&>>    bai2(white) is read as "bo2" in the ancient time.
&&>>    Sorry for the mistakes, and please correct me.
&&>>---------------------------------------------------------------
&&>> 
&&>> BTW: When I read a book with English and Chinese, I would turn to read Chinese.
&&>>      When I read a book with English and pinyin, I would turn to read English.
&&>>     
&&>>_______________________________________________________________________________

	Hey, netters
	So nice to read this poem.
	Realy enjoy it.
	I guess the " green " should be " Lu4 "
	and " white " should be " Bu2 " .

	cheers ;>
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China health
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:55:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

China Health

According to the Asia 1988 Year Book of Far Eastern Economic Review
(Hong Kong), we have the following.

countries	persons per doctor

Australia	535
China		735
Hong Kong	1,075
Japan		667
Singapore	1,000
South Korea	998
Taiwan		1,111
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Cannibalism in China - more info
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:57:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:

>---------------------------- Forwarding Begins ----------------------------
>From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
>Date: 18 Aug 92  10:12 EST

>          Tu Ya
>          -----------------------------------------------------
>          How do you define Canibalism?  If that is defined as eating
>          human flesh, we have the tradition to do that.
                        ^^          ^^^^^^^^^
	I hope this should read: you have the history of some person that ...

	What this WE means here. I feel this guy indeed knows some fiction.
	And suely he can finds prove that They have the tradition of
	brother kills brother, father kills son, son kills father, wife kills
	husband, husband kills wife, and parents kill child, and etc etc ....
	And please add you imagenation here:
	.......

>          1.  Spring and Autumn:  (missing for now)  

>          2.  Qin2: Liu Bang cooked his father (or intended to) and
>          shared with xiang4 yu3;

>          3.  Song4: Wu3 Song1 ate fingernails in the Big Tree
>          Cross Hill Restaurant;

>          4.  Ming2: Li3 zi4 cheng2 rebaled because of "ren2 xiang1
>          shi2;"

>          5.  Qing:  Human beings are called "cai4 ren2" and
>          slaughtered for cooking purposes;

>          6.  Tang:  The son cut part of his leg to give to his father
>          as zhong1 yao4;  This tradition lasted until late Qing1; 
>          Many xiao4 zi3 would do the same when their fathers are ill;

>          7.  Min2 Guo2:  Hua4 xiao3 shuan1 ate blood;  Feng1 ren2's
>          brother wanted to eat him;

>          8.  Wa3 minority folks kill human beings as sacrifice for
>          rice harvest.  

>          9.  Historically when Jian1 chen2 is finaly arrested and put
>          to death, people would like to eat him piece by piece;

>          10.  During the tu3 gai3 movement, some folks literally ate
>          landlords;

>          11.  One ingredient in Hong2 shao1 rou4 is zi3 he2 che1
>          which is the plate a baby sits on.

>          In summary, human flesh has been eaten for three purposes:

>           a)  For political reasons, such as revenge;
>           b)  For enjoyment or medical reasons, such as making a
>               dish, or curing fathers' desease;
>           c)  For hunger.

>          To reduce the number of man-eating cases, we are interested
>          in:

>           a) Condamning politicians;
>           b) Investing in medicare system; 
>           c) Growing more crops instead of selling lands to
>              foreigners.

>          So-called Dui4 Zheng4 Xia4 Yao4.

>          Tu Ya

>------------------------- Forwarding Ends -------------------------------

>Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:08:14 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug22.180429.279@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>people with non-chinese names? Does everybody notice Westen media,
>newspaper, TV, radio, etc are flooded with "bad" "news" about China?
>Are we microscoped by Westeners? Why are they have a hypocratical views
>any thing rlelated to China? What are their intensions?


     Answer is we are not good enough and they are bad enough(western media).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: test
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:26:01 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Dare to Hate
    <1992Aug21.154205.24031@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:24:20 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>Finally you will hate yourself like most of people soaked with hatred. They  
>either got killed or killed themselves.

Motivation acknowledged.
Kill the father because he hated.
Kill the son because he is hating.
The world belongs to those without hate. and those who control them.

>Carl
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China education
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:09:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

China Education

1. According to the journal of World Development (vol.20, No.6,
pp.873-880, 1992), China spent 3.0% - 3.2% of GNP on education
from 1980 to 1985. During 1986 - 1988, China spent 3.8% - 3.9%
of GNP on education. However, China's GNP per capita in 1988
was US$330.

2. According to the journal of The China Quaterly (No.125, 
pp.137-155, 1991), the salary scale of China university faculty
in 1987 was as follows.

Assisant Lecturer	US$240 - 252 per year
Lecturer		US$312 - 348 per year
Associate Professor	US$420 - 480 per year
Full Professor		US$516 - 600 per year

3. The student-stuff ratio of higher education in China of 1990(?) 
was 4.3 : 1.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Zhu Yuchen)
Subject: Re: Shut the Hell up! Some of you Netters!
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:04:45 GMT

mm@doge.phys.um.edu (Matt Macura) writes:

>There are at least one third of the articles in this Newsgroup that either
>sounds really boring or looks really ugly. 
Count one more.
--

===
Zhu Yuchen, Edmonton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China - more info
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:53:15 GMT

In <etxmow.714311246@garboc34>, Mats Winberg wrote:

      I have no reason not to believe Zheng Yi (or for that matter to
      believe in him). All I can say is: read him yourself, and judge
      for yourself. He must surely have been published in the
      English-speaking world also...

Thanks for your advice, but no, I don't bother to know exactly who was
lying. Your article <etxmow.714043998@garboc34> spoke for itself and
is enough for me to answer your question:

>       In today's "Dagens Nyheter" (17/8) the largest morning paper
>       in Sweden, there is a long article claiming that many cases
>       of cannibalism occured in China during the '60s. The article
>       written by a Chinese, claims that tens of thousand of people
>       were massacred and eaten. First they were condemned as "enemies
>       of the people" and then slaughtered. I will spare you the grisly
>       details, but the author claimed that the career in the communist
>       party were easier for those who participated in the abhorrent
>       murders.
>
>       Does the article lie ? Or did these cruelties really take place ?
>       (To relate to another thread in s.c.c., no cannibalism took place
>       in Norway during the '60s, to the best of my knowledge...)
>

In <etxmow.714311246@garboc34>, you wrote:

    I don't think I have taken an offensive position against "Chinese
    culture and Chinese people" by referring to a newspaper article.
    And I also thought it would be interesting to s.c.c readers
    to hear about what is said and written about China, even if it's
    not nice to hear such things...

In article <etxmow.714126688@garboc34>, you wrote:

      greater scale. One poster found a "provocative tone" in my post,
      and he was right. The reason for that tone is not that I'm hostile
      to the chinese culture, but rather a bit irritated on the "Where
      is Norway" and "Oriental moral" threads. Furthermore, I was
      shocked to read these stories and couldn't resist that last
      remark. If I offended anyone, I apologize.
From: cuijin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jin Cui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: look for a paper
Date: 19 Aug 1992 05:55:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ocf.berkeley.edu

I have read a paaper about different culture between china
and USA, it   is writen  by Joe Wang. Has anybody kept it?
If so please mail to me, I will be very appreciated.


My mail address:  cuijin@ocf.berkeley.edu

Thanks  a lot.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Response to the open letter to the Emperor of Japan
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Aug17.113517.9967@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<SMITTIE.92Aug17102932@lark.csulb.edu>
	<1992Aug17.181324.7532@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:00:22 GMT

In reply to another post I said:
>>I remember that after the atrocities committed by the Chinese government at
>>Tinanman Square, Japan was the first to restore economic relations amid many
>>protests from the Western world.

To which Mr. Lu replied:
>Is that a good thing?

I neither know nor care whether it is a good thing. It was important to the
netter to which I replied that Japan opposed high-tech transfer to China. I
only wished to point out that Japan has also chosen to give China what they ask
for in the face of protest from the Western world.

There is a lot of effort to paint things rather one sidedly in this issue.
One-sided views are seldom useful for anything.

Mr. Lu again:
>Just because the Chinese are being oppressed by an undemocratic regime means
>that Japan is justified?

This is a rather large jump in logic on your part. I have implied that the
Japanese were justified nor did I imply that they were not. I only pointed out
that there might be some alterior motives or at the very least certain
advantages to keeping the Japan thing alive.

smittie

--
___________________________________________________________________________
GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
________________________|___________________________________________________
From: shiping@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Famine in China!
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:02:02 GMT

Thousands and thousands of Somalian people are dying of hunger.
This is a tragedy of 1990's.  However, how many of us know
that there was the same tragedy in China under the leadership 
of our "great leader" Chairman Mao and the "great, correct and glorious"
Chinese Communist Party.

I used to live in Chinese countryside for quite a long period.
I heard lots of horrible stories/facts.  In early 50's, CCP learned it from
their big brother, Stalin (?), that it is necessary to rob farmers in order to
strengthen the newly-born proletariat dictatorship, they spared no effort
to rob farmers.  At that time, they had a notorious policy, "Liang Shi 
Tong Gou Tong Xiao"  (Cereal trade must be transancted through the 
government).  Lot of farmers suffered from hunger.

In late 50's and earlier 60's, thousands and thousands (perhaps millions) 
of people  died of famine.  As far as I heard from local farmers, all the
people in many villages in Huaibei region, where I lived for several 
years, died of famine, no survivors.  What a terrible picture.  However,
people in cities, especially young people, know littel about it because of 
the media censorship.

I think that CCP should tell people the truth about this historical fact if
they are brave enough.
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:48:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Aug20.234802.859
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


    Golden age for old people probably is hundreds or thousand years ago,
for young generation should today and tomorrow. Aged people like to recall
past, youngster prefer dreaming future.

cqu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: Re: FWD: related to green-card lobby stuff
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:45:20 GMT

|> >forwarded for an anonymous netter:
|> >
|> >------------ cut here ---------------- cutr here --------------------
|> >====================================================================
|> >
|> >A Chinese student in California claimed that she had sent the FBI a list
|> >of some opponents to the "Chinese Students Protection Act 1992", most
|> >of whom were Chinese students in the US, though there were also three
|> >Americans and one Canadian on the list.


|> 
|> >She also said that a copy of the list had been sent to the INS, so that
|> >"these CCP running dogs will never get the greencard".
|> 

and "so that FBI or CIA running dogs will never miss the greencard, too." :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Why should we demand the "Japs" say SORRY to China?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:41:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.233346.25291@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.122104.14450@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

......

>I read today's Boston Global, it noted Clintons speech critical on Bush
>foreign policy. First part, it side how "evil" China is, then effisised
>on how important for US to have strong millitary, willing to fight, and
>determined to win.
>It was full of millitant tone.
>I am a little startled that a promising president candidate can have those
>kind of speech, lack of diplomatic skills, and hostility toward China.
>
This is always the kind speech made by the candidate as he doesn't take
any resposibility for what he say. Reagan did that before. Before he
became the president, he attacked Carter's policy towards China as
Clinton did it to Bush. I remember that KMT had shown great expectation
from Reagan then. Of course they were disappointed in Reagan. 

Clinton talks a lot about the UN function. If he realy wants to do it,
he must think twice before he does anything about China.

>>
>>dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
>
Tingli Pan