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From: dlanglan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (super-dave)
Subject: Re: A Frank Discussion on Piracy (Flames, Anyone? :-P )
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:44:41 GMT

pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel) writes:

>I recall reading an article in the Wall St. Journal the other day
>about the fact that piracy is now a federal offense (correct me if I
>don't have the exact label) and that many pirates are now pulling out
>of BBSs and otherwise curtailing their activities.  I'm sure this
>won't stop John Doe from copying a game from his friend, but the
>penalties are definitely more severe now.  Bad time to be starting
>this thread - and using names!

Au contraire! (Pardon my french :-)  Piracy has always been a federal
offense, enforced by the FBI and Department of the Treasury (i.e. Secret
Service).  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I can be convicted
on the basis of my writing the previous post.  Freedom of Speech, or
something like that, I think it's called (check the most current copy of
the U.S. Constitution ;-).  As I said before, those who feel that there is
more than legal issues to be discussed are welcome to e-mail me.  Your
reply will be held in strict confidence.

Death Before Dishonor!

Dave

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From: ledwick@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil (Bill Ledwick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Print Screen to file - possible?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:46:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U.S. ARMY MATERIEL SYSTEMS ANALYSIS ACTIVITY (AMSAA), APG, MD.

Thanks to all who responeded, I got prn2file from simtel (PC Mag
volume 6, #22 if anyone else needs it) - it was exactly what I was
looking for.  Thanks again, Bill
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Telix Terminal emulators
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:36:57 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu writes:

> Set your terminal emulation to ANSI-BBS.  It works the same as VT100.

Did you consult on an early version of Telemate?

Sorry, but you're not even close to correct.  ANSI-BBS emulation is but
a small subset of VT-100 emulation.  Little things like clear-to-eol are
missing altogether.

Try a vi session with ANSI-BBS sometime, and then tell me they're the
same.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
   "I like Santa Claus as well as the next guy, but do you really want a
   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: Re: A Frank Discussion on Piracy (Flames, Anyone? :-P )
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:03:05 GMT


I recall reading an article in the Wall St. Journal the other day
about the fact that piracy is now a federal offense (correct me if I
don't have the exact label) and that many pirates are now pulling out
of BBSs and otherwise curtailing their activities.  I'm sure this
won't stop John Doe from copying a game from his friend, but the
penalties are definitely more severe now.  Bad time to be starting
this thread - and using names!

-- 
Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@skidmore.edu
Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391

"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: A Frank Discussion on Piracy (Flames, Anyone? :-P )
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:43:54 GMT

dlanglan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (super-dave) writes:

>I very much agree.  So, basically what you're saying is that software piracy
>actually helped the gaming market by forcing the software companies to 
>release demos ;-).  My point exactly!  Before, the consumer was stuck with a
>lousy game or application.  Now, because of the relative ease of obliged
>counterfeit software, the companies are obliged to release demos.  Until
>software companies are completely up-front with their customers, piracy
>will be a viable alternative.
>
>Who's the enemy of the state?  A guy who doesn't want to pay $350 up-front
>for something he has no right to return or resell if it is of poor
>quality, or the corporation that forces him to pay it?

Dave: I'll admit from the outset that I'm wasting my time but you are
doing nothing more than trying to justify your actions which are in the
general sense, horrible.

You can't fuck strangers in the ass and then say "because I did that they
went to see their doctors and many of them discovered they had something
wrong with them... I'm pretty cool".

Somebody holding a gun to your head demanding your wallet "obliges" you
to give them the money "its the relative ease that makes me do it",
quite a defense.

You had and have every right to return or resell anything you purchased
if the agreement you entered into permits it.  You will not die if you
don't get to play some stupid video game.

This isn't about "enemies" or "corporations" it is just convenient for
you to think that way.  "GameCo" just must be a huge, multi-million
dollar industry (and deserving of your theft) there is no way that it
could be two guys working from their garage could it ?  There is no
way that they net just $5,000 per month and are trying to hire somebody
uhhh... maybe like you because they would like to grow.

You're a misguided dope and one I wouldn't hope to run into but I'll
wager you've got another 100 reasons why people who sell software are
crooks and crooks who steal software are princes.

I don't need a follow-up, I hate these "rationalization" threads.

tom
>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm-pc.misc
From: gordon@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GORDON ALLEN R)
Subject: Re: Problems with FTP Software's PC-TCP 2.1 and DRDOS 6.0
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:28:59 GMT

volker@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Volker Hamann) writes:


>Hello!

>I'm currently trying to install PC-TCP by FTP Software on some DRDOS 6.0 PCs.
>Problems have come up when I tried to NFS-mount a UNIX filesystem with
>InterDrive. I could perform the mount all well, but when I did a "dir" on
>the NFS drive, it only showed plain files and no subdirectories and files
>starting with ".". The funny thing is, I could easily change into directories
>which I knew to be existing but not showing up with "dir".
>The Windows filemanager shows the same behavior.

>Has anybody had a similar problem? Is there an (easy) solution to it?
>I'm grateful for any decent response.

>Bye,

>	Volker
>--

For what its worth,  I've run soss with drdos 6.0 and nfs file sharing works
just fine.  BTW, it allows a file system to be exported from the pc.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: etxstfr@helix.ericsson.se (Stefan Frick)
Subject: Stacker and Hyperdisk, but how?	
Reply-To: etxstfr@helix.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Printed Circuit Mfg.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:01:56 GMT


I've just installed Stacker 2.0 and the installation went fine with one exception.
The 'README.DOC' that came with stacker claims that Stacker and Hyperdisk can
co-exist but they don't give any details, just that caching should be done
towards the uncompressed part of the disk. Can somebody give me some hints about
the correct setting of Hyperdisk in config.sys?
(The computer totally hung during the reboot after Stacker was installed)
(Yes, the 'devicehigh=hyperdkx' comes before Stacker is loaded....)

Thanx in advance

-Stefan

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From: vho@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (Viet Ho)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Looking for dos base dictionary
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:53:22 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu

I'm looking for a DOS based dictionary lookup program.  I know they are
out there, but where?  Also would like to know if there is a random
quotes type program/database for our users when they log off the network.
I'm looking to just hack the unix equivalent = "fortune" but if someone's
already done the job, why I can move on to something my exciting.  


ANy pointers to ftp sites would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Viet
vho@gnu.ai.mit.edu

-- 
-Viet
 vho@gnu.ai.mit.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: cs5059@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Anonymous FTP Sites
Reply-To: cs5059@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.165301.12393@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com>, ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com (Ian Stirling) writes:
>Can someone give me a list of anonymous FTP sites which deal with
>DOS software.  I am especially interested in games, music and graphics.
>
>Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
>CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
>IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley,         IBMIPnet: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com
>England, SO21 2JN                  IBMMail: GBIBMJWB at IBMMAIL
>                             International: + 44 962 844433
>
>Disclaimer: This post represents the views of the poster, not IBM.

ftp.ulowell.edu  (good game source!)
From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: A Frank Discussion on Piracy (Flames, Anyone? :-P )
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:38:03 GMT
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

Richard_Robb@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Robb) writes:

>But: aren't you worried that the virii are usually spread by piratii?

Well, they occasionally are, but "usually" is a bit too strong...

-frisk
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mouse Driver - where?
Keywords: microsoft mouse driver
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:53:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Dec16.055351.10027
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

mfw@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael John FEARN-WANNAN) writes:

>I am trying to get hold of the latest MS mouse driver, version 8.2.
>Can anyone tell me where I can find it? I can't see it in ftp.uu.net.

You have to get it from Microsoft. They *refuse* to make it available
for downloading anywhere. So it winds up costing about $25 for a new 
driver disk.

Sorry...

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Connecting monitor to PPC640.
From: eesb2mm@dct.ac.uk
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:30:34 GMT
Organization: The Network.


Hello,

I have an Amstrad PPC640, and an IBM XT of old vintage (~1982).

Does anyone out there have the manuals handy for the 640 as I wish to connect

the monitor to the PPC640 ( it is the standard IBM monochrome job) 

I have absolutely NO idea what to set the dipswitches to on the 640, or what

the pinout on the 640 it (I assume it's RGB), or what the pins on the monitor

are..

If anyone has any answers, could they please post them here or mail me back

at eesb2mm@dct.ac.uk

Thanks,

Malcolm.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: simmons@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Stephen Edward Simmons)
Subject: Very strange mouse problem.
Summary: I've had a novel problem with my mouse.
Keywords: Mouse
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:57:03 GMT

I've just solved a problem I've had with my mouse for a few weeks.  Has anyone
else suffered from the same problem?


SYMPTOM:
	After using the PC for 8 hours or so from 9 AM, the mouse would fail
at about 5:30 PM in the evening.  This makes working with Windows cumbersome,
and so was a good (but very annoying) reason to stop work for the day.

SOLUTION:
	The PC is located in a room with west facing windows that gets the full
afternoon sun.  In the late afternoon, the sun is at a such a low angle that
it falls on the mouse.  Its light filters through the mouse (through
the small gap between the buttons) and falls on the optical sensors connected
to the mouse ball.  So, stand a book up on end and use the mouse in the
book's shadow.


Has anyone else had a similar problem?

Stephen


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: calvert@QueensU.CA (John Calvert)
Subject: diff between Ndos and 4Dos?
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:56:51 GMT

Is there any functional difference between Ndos (Norton Utils)
by Symmantec, and the 4Dos shareware?

John Calvert
calvert@mast.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: mreese@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Reese)
Subject: Re: Harvard Graphics 3.0 question
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.082657.12728@sarah.albany.edu> cs5059@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>I was wondering if anyone familiar with 
>Harvard Graphics could tell me what some 
>files are...   hg3 ceates files named
>a lot of zeros and then sequential orderd
>numbers  for example:	0000000001.$$$
>			0000000002.$$$
>and a $$$ extension.  Every alternate
>file is large and the others are small.
>I forgot the actual sizes.  I deleted
>them all and it started creating and
>numbering them again.  Since I use the 
>program a log, it creates a lot of files
>of this kind, that take up a lot of space.
>Help/info would be appreciated _a_lot_!
>thanks.

Those files are temporary work files the program uses while it is
running.  Normally, they are deleted when you exit the program.  If,
however, you exit the program abnormally by rebooting or turning off
your machine, those files are not deleted.  Then, when you start the
program again, it will create another set of temporary files.  This
can lead to a vicious cycle leading to quickly disappearing hard disk
space...believe me, I know.  Good luck!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: lindor@eng.umd.edu (Lindor Eric Henrickson)
Subject: Re: OS/2 question
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:45:45 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: lindor@feedback.eng.umd.edu


I recently "switched" to OS/2 and I think its great! (actually I still have DOS5.0 
on another partition, but I find that I use OS/2 most of the time).  From what I
understand, trying to run OS/2 on only 4M would be possible but very slow (since the
kernel is on the order of 4M).  I am running OS/2 on a 486/33 w/ 8M and the speed seems
ok to me.  In OS/2 you don't have the 640K barrier as you do in DOS, but if you are
running DOS applications under OS/2, you must run them in a DOS "box"(shell) under OS/2
(which is just a virtual DOS environment having 640K conventional memory + 
user specified amounts of EMS and XMS memory). Generally I've found being able to
(truly) multitask DOS, windows, and OS/2 apps all together at once has been very
useful, **but be prepared to spend some time tweaking parameters to get good 
performance** (so, if your reason for switching to OS/2 is to avoid this...).

In regards to the question of being able to run _all_ DOS applications.  I don't think
_all_ DOS applications work, but the DOS support is _very_ good.  I (and others
I know running OS/2) have generally had no problems running DOS apps under OS/2 (but
I do know that OS/2 has problems with some programs using undocumented extenders, etc).
Also, generally I've found the windows app support is pretty good (not as good as
the DOS support though), but the apps usually run a bit slower under OS/2-win 
than native ms-win.


LH

lindor@eng.umd.edu
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From: tsornas@dec5.ulb.ac.be (Thierry Sornasse)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: qemm
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:03:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Free University Brussels  - Belgium -  Department of Molecular Biology

Hi Larry,

Qemm makes the work of both HIMEM and EMM386, thus it allows you to load some resident program in high memory
and it allows you to creates paginated memory.
As far as I know, Qemm allows you to recover much more low memory than with himem.
It is quite easy to install and you have a special program "OPTIMIZE" wich (in theory) finds the best setup
for your system. In fact, there are some bugs: as example each time I run OPTIMIZE it loads the keyboard in
a block of memory where the system cannot seen it.
If you encounter this type of problem, send me a message, I'll answer you as soon as possible.
 Good work

Thierry Sornasse
Universite Libre de Bruxelles
BELGIUM
From: edwong@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Edward Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: What to do with file0000.chk?
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:23:29 GMT
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: ky04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 19:43:04 GMT

>>>>> On 14 Dec 92 19:43:04 GMT, ky04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KUN YU) said:

-> I got "Serrious disk problem" from within Windows ocassionally. Then I reboot
->  the machine. CHKDSK showed lost chains, I used chkdsk/f to recover 
-> them into files. But when I type file0000.chk, sometimes I can see some
-> binary codes, sometmes I got "error reading drive C" message. No bad sector
-> is show on chkdsk.

-> Does that mean file0000.chk is on bad sectors? If true, would  keeping the 
-> junk file there prevent getting into the bad sectors?

I don't think there is any use for the file that is recovered by chkdsk.
When the computer checks for data consistency, these data appear at places
where they shouldn't.  So, the computer has to get rid of it.  the
file????.chk just link all the problem blocks together and name it
file????.chk, you can do whatever you want with it.  I would just delete
it.  But it's up to you, some people may find it useful in some way.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Packed file is corrupt?
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 9 Dec 92 18:45:14 GMT
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In <1992Dec9.084235.4231@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> u5533129@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:


>On my home machine, if I set up my config to give too much free memory, I get
>the message "PACKED FILE IS CORRUPT" from a wide variety (but not all)
>software.

>Can anyone tell me where this message is genorated, and why?

This occurs when an (old) EXEPACKed program is loaded below 64K.  To fix
it, you can either use LOADFIX (distributed with DOS 5) or various
utilities which actually repair the EXE file; (This can be done be cause
the MS-supplied unpack routine is 2 bytes longer than necessary) - I think
one of them is called EXEFIX or FIXEXE.
--
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My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
My interaction with our news system is unstable; please mail anything important.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 16:27:42 MST
From: James Cassidy <IFJXC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: MacSee Problem

My copy of Macsee, which I got at oak.oakland.edu, only reads High
density 3.5 mac disks, i get the "not a mac disk" when I try to read
a 800k 3.5.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: madmac@ils.nwu.edu (Douglas M. MacFarlane)
Subject: Re: More than 1024 cyls in Dos 5??
Followup-To: comp.os.msdos.misc
Organization: ILS - Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:10:27 GMT

In article <rob.723450242@hp11>, rob@hp11.aws.waii.com (Rob Freyder) wrote:
> Perhaps OS/2 allows non-bootable partitions to lie above 1024 cyls.
> 
> As long as they dont use the bios for disk I/O that would be reasonable.

Actually, since all the I/O is handled by OS/2 internally, there is no
reason why partitions (both bootable and non-bootable) can't lie above,
below, or accross 1024 cylinders.  I'm speaking of SCSI drives, ofcourse,
and not IDE or ESDI drives.  The 2gb drives I have were formatted into 1
large, 1745mb partition over approx. 1645 cylinders.

Douglas M. MacFarlane
madmac@ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)
Subject: Re: A survey: Your dream operating system
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:48:40 GMT

cs011177@cs.brown.edu (Kwun Han) writes:

>In article <Bz2MFB.BuB@inews.Intel.COM>, dmarer@td2cad.intel.com (Dennis Marer) writes:
>|> In article <18323@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>|> >Dream operating system to totally replace MS-DOS? To be run on a 386+ PC?

>  There is currently an version of Unix called Linux available as
> freeware from many ftp sites. 
>  I installed it in my 486 last week, hey man, it flies....  .  In text
> operation, the screen doesn't scroll, it feels as if it pops up to you,
> and mind you, that was in 43 x 132 as well. 
>  In processing, well, my 486-33 have a small test on floating point
> against two machines, a Sparc-1 and a Sparc-2.  The program was compiled
> with the same compiler (GCC) and the result? My 486 is nearly two times
> faster than the Sparc-1, and just slower than a Sparc-2.  The Linux
> system comes with X-windows and many other applications.  Sometimes it
> makes you think that running a PC with DOS is a waste.  And, with that
> speed, who need a Sparc?
>  The only draw back with the Linux system is the choice of software,
> there are currently very few available software for linux, but they are
> coming............. 

When the DOS emulator is complete enough to allow me to play Ultima
Underworld with it, give me a call.  (Not a flame - Linux is really
good, and hey, I was on a CS course this fall with Linus himself :) The
point is, until we have the "commonly accepted" DOS environment programs
(ie.  WP, Word, Excel, AutoCAD, the *games*) running under *any* new OS,
it won't be able to compete with DOS or OS/2.  And I really think that
Linux, for example, blows the doors out from any Microsoft/IBM scrap
performance-wise. 
-- 
               Juha Liukkonen, aka jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi
              University of Helsinki,  Dept. of  Lost Souls
           "Trust me, I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer