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From: frost@netcom.com (John Frost)
Subject: Re: Sneakers
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 04:31:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <!4wnxyf.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>I just saw Sneakers on at one of the local movie houses. Wasn't
>this movie supposed to be cp?
>
>Anyone seen it?
>
Yep.  I went to see it because I thought the actors in it would be
spectacular.  They were.  Then to my surprise I found that I even
enjoyed the story and the concept behind the film.  

Worse yet, the damn film had a moral (  =)   )  and one that I could
identify with.  

As a person who is always trying to get his hands on more information
(and similarly greater access to information) I was thrilled at the 
"device" (er black box) that was so very central to the plot.  
The discussion over whether or not this black box could actually 
exist should prolly be continued in cp.tech, I would like to see this 
happen.  

In addition the concept of the "black box" (a device/theory/technical 
dowicky that takes input and with its boxed capabilities gives a
an almost miraculous output, the trick is that the black box is so
complex that trying to figure out exactly how it works is next to 
impossible.  So one just _assumes_ that the black box works) really
thrilled me.  Other famous black boxes include The congress, the development
of personality, etc.  

Technology (in its strictest sense) usually tries to avoid the black box
phenomenon.   But paradoxically, it is often the same phenomenon which 
has brought the world wonderful discoveries and scientific theory.  Or 
rather it is the desire to use and unravel the black box that has 
brought these discoveries.  How that played out in SNEAKERS, although
just one example, was pretty cool. (hmmm not very descriptive huh?)

for more stuff about this try anything by Micheal Flowers or Donna 
Harraway (probably more accessable including the book "Of Simians and Cyborgs"
or something like that).  

FrostD

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: Cyberpunk RPGs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:06:08 GMT

Anyone have an opinion as to which of the many "Cyberpunk" RPGs out ther
is the best?  These are the ones that I know of:
 
     GURPS Cyberpunk (Steve Jackson Games)
     Cyberspace (I.C.E.)
     Cyberpunk 2020 (R. Talsorian)
 
Did I miss any?  Anyway, I'd just like some opinions on which one you think
is best and why.  Please respond via e-mail; I'll post a summary.
 
                                Ken
From: o_seiler@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Oliver Seiler)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG universe ?
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:11:24 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

On Mon  7-Sep-1992  8:07p, USENET News System wrote:
US> 
US>         My question is very simple:
US> 
US>                 How many of u guys would like to live in the universe
US> idealized
US>         by William Gibson & Co. ?
US> 
US>         Personal op: I wouldn't.        

Actually, since I tend to find the real world a bit lame (heh, well most of the time), I probably would... Hard to say really... Perhaps not like some of the characters in the books though...
-Oliver

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (c3po)
Subject: Re: Origin of ICE
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 01:20:20 GMT

In article <Bu4o40.8y5@world.std.com> kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B
Kirksey) writes: 
|I was just wondering something about ICE the other day.  Gibson mentions
|in _Neuromancer_ that ICE was created by Tom Maddox.  Anyone know in which
|of his stories it was introduced?

You could ask him.  He's here.

|And, while I'm on the subject of written works, has anyone on the net 
|compiled a canonical cyberpunk story & novel list?

A FAQ exists for this group, and I believe it was posted recently.
You could go back and search for it.  It contains a good list.

|                                   Ken

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From: strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG universe ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:47:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


>On Mon  7-Sep-1992  8:07p, USENET News System wrote:
>
>         My question is very simple:
>
>              How many of u guys would like to live in the universe idealized
>         by William Gibson & Co. ?
>
>         Personal op: I wouldn't.

My answer is just as simple, I would love it. There is nothing I desire more
than to jack into the matrix, or interface with a vehicle (ala the rigger from
the shadowrun type worlds)  In that world I could do it. In this one I can't.
If I could, I would be there.

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From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Movie:  Sneakers...cyberpunk?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:11:00 GMT
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep15.052135.3136@nntp.uoregon.edu>, christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith) writes...
>[stuff deleted]
>  I guess one could think of the box as some sort of ice-breaker, but
>I really had to swallow hard when text was replaced by graphic images
>on the terminal screen.  That's when I realized that maybe the film wasn't
>made to be scrutinized and just enjoyed.
> 
>-christian

Or the fact that the encrypted information on the screen clearly had spaces in
it which never changed position.  Pretty poor encryption, if you ask me.  Once
again, Hollywood _almost_ gets it right...

Dr. Forbin
From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Movie:  Sneakers...cyberpunk?
Summary: Hail Gozer!
Keywords: milk, pap, sneakers, sofas
Date: 15 Sep 1992 05:21:35 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep14.232708.9962@uoft02.utoledo.edu> steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>
>i'm a bit skeptical about Sneakers. it's probably worth seeing just for
>the sheer amount of acting ability. the tech-head in me looks at all
>the fake hardware & just says "yeah right" tho'. just not enough to
>get me to suspend disbelief, especially when they drag out this black
>box that is nothing less than magic. universal decryption involves
>stuff like making a machine aware of an infinite number of encryption
>& encoding schemes, as well as providing it with some sort of foresight
>as to just what the hell it's looking for... it's one thing if your
>encrypted data is plaintext. what if it's a jpeg image of a scanned
>page of navajo? (i believe the US used the navajo language as one of its
>best "encryption" schemes during WWII.)

  That's another reason I wouldn't consider Sneakers a CP movie...The
device is so unbelieveably unrealistic.  Now, I'm sure that some people
out there might say "well CP is pretty futuristic at times"...But 
(and there may be more than one of you out there in the cold reaches
of usenet who disagree) the jizz-spurting aspect of CP (for me) is that
most of the devices mentioned in popular genere are either in existance
or not very far off, and in development.
  I guess one could think of the box as some sort of ice-breaker, but
I really had to swallow hard when text was replaced by graphic images
on the terminal screen.  That's when I realized that maybe the film wasn't
made to be scrutinized and just enjoyed.
 
-christian

-- 
  When you die it's very painful then it doesn't hurt anymore.  It's almost
pleasent and you can't see or feel anything.  But you can just think.
  I don't know how long this goes on.  If you're like this forever, and go mad
or if you just discorporate after a while and reincarnate, say, as a carp.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Re: The UN Patrol
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 18:50:48 GMT

In article <dx3uv972.clivci@moebius.cubetech.com> peterc@cubetech.com writes:
>Well?  Anybody home?  The last post in the story was on August 7.
>Almost a month.  (I was beginning to get into that storyline).  Do
>any of the authors want ME to jump in and try to give it a kickstart?

Well, considering that 
1) Two of the major contributors have vanished (one presumably for good)
2) That I had some major local network problems recently which knocked
   the entire KW area off the air for 5 days (twice!)

It's not suprising that nobody else is around to write installments.  

As it is Kat Andersen (Mills's author) and myself are the only direct 
contributors I know of who are left who are on the net and can do stuff. 
And we're trying to figure out just *where* to go from here with Crane 
and Boswell's authors off line.

We have some ideas, but please be patient while we figure out what happens 
next.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: fjohnson@traffic.rutgers.edu (Floyd Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Query for USC readers, or anyone in Los Angeles, CA vicinity
Keywords: They might be Terminators
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:38:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

If any of you readers are willing to recall it, how much did Los
Angeles, 1992, resemble "Los Angeles, 2029" (allusion to T2), in terms
of destruction ? I'm considering overhauling my literary work, so as
to have a cyborg-to-cyborg war that follows some massive socioeconomic
upheaval. 
	It seems most cyberpunk is set after a nuclear war, a string
of technological breakthroughs, revolution, and/or an economic boom or
bust. I don't mean to scare anyone, but we may be in the midst of
the whatever-it-was in question.
	Ironically, the persons involved in the L. A. riots, both
assailants and most of the assailed, were from an environment where
goal-directed, methodical operation is vital to survive. In other
words, the events of early May could easily have been called the War
of the Machines. 
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: <None>
From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:21:31 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Just exactly what is this newsgroup about...
When I first saw it I thought it had something to do with Neuromancer...
is that right.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt)
Subject: ADMIN- New Characters @ Chatsubo
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:40:06 GMT

There are two new names in the Shadows. Stories to come as I have time to
write them. Characters may be used by others with advance permission only,
please. I hope to run them here much as they run at Alt.Calahans, but with
Cyberpunk takes more and Tech as topics of conversation. For a lighter look
at  them, see Alt.Calahans.  <Jason>

Name:  Jason  (aka daVinci, aka Schtiz)
Owner: Jay Brandt             Contact: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU
Shadowrunner/Decker. Supposedly was a top corp Decker with experience in
writing ICE and AI code. His specialty now is obtaining and deleting
information. Very resourceful, with a very diverse range of skills (Hence
the streetname daVinci). Very picky about who he will work for. Has an
experimental dual cyberlink as -both- Decker and Rigger (Hence the
streetname "Schitz" for Schizophrenic), located at the base of his skull,
tucked under his ponytail where it is not immediately visible. Also has an
in-head broad band comm set. As a Rigger he tends to favor very small
remotes. Known to usually team with a Decker named Thyra. Field of
operations, West Coast, N. American continent.

Name:  Thyra  (aka the Cat, aka Ice Queen)
Owner: Jay Brandt             Contact: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU
Shadowrunner/Decker. New records on her tend to disappear rapidly. Her
specialty is cracking through ICE to obtain and/or delete information. Very
protective of her privacy, she is only seen on the Matrix, never in person.
Her icon in the Matrix is a feline/human female. Actual species and
appearance unknown. Very picky about who she will work for. Only known to
team with a Decker named Jason. Field of operations, West Coast, N.
American continent.
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: ADMIN:What authors inspire you?
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:45:57 GMT
Reply-To: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: wolfone@dumbo.cc.utexas.edu

Hi folks! I was just wondering what all of you tend to read, science fiction
or otherwise. Like me, for example, I've read most of Larry Niven's books
so far as well as the novels he co-wrote with Jerry Pournelle. While that 
may not seem very cyberpunk, you might note that Niven's stories seem to be the
first to feature the problems of organleggers and their ilk. I've also read
all of Gibson's novels (the ones in paperback) and the three Budayeen novels
by Effinger. I also read a lot of military SF esp. by Roland Green and David
Drake (though Drake's writing has been getting a bit dull IMHO.) Asimov and
Clarke were early authors I started on.

That's what I mainly read and my writing (if I ever finish the next chapter)
may show that influence. What about you?
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Future Belter's Ancestor   |"The meek shall inherit the earth. The rest of us
Future Lunar Colonist      |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: Deuces and One-Eyed Jacks [4/?]
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:11:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.185946.22647@cis.ohio-state.edu> friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:
>	"Get up, dammit!" Blackjack shouted, "GET THE FUCK UP!" He
>started to take a step forward, only to be held back by a pink plastic
>arm.
>
>	"No," Ratz said, "now you will stop this."
>
>	Blackjack paused to look at Ratz, anger flaring on his dirty
>features.  The musician's aggression drained, though, as he saw the
>sadly serious expression on Ratz' face, and the wide-bore shotgun that
>the bartender carried in his meat hand.
>
>	Ratz nodded. Dorcas, the waitress, moved up to help Freddy to
>his feet. Together, the two of them staggered off to Chatsubo's back
>room, Freddy leaning heavily on Dorcas' shoulder.

	A small, Salish woman dressed in red leathers, with one blue eye
and one yellow eye watched Freddy leave, her small nose wrinkled a little 
in thought.  She kept one eye on Blackjack, wondering if there might be 
anything she should do.  Finally, she finished her Kaluha and Cream, and 
unwound herself from the stool.  As the Spirit moved... she smiled a 
crooked smile... no, more like 'as curious as a cat'.

	Not much to look at, she was short, slender, long course black 
hair, mismatched eyes, features as broad as any of the Salish tended to 
be.  But she moved with a grace that spoke of long hours of exercise,
and a knowledge of how her body worked that some of the wired folk in the 
room had given up for their reflexes.  

	"Hey." she said, when she was right up behind Blackjack, ready to
duck if he swung at her like he'd swung at Freddy...

---
Phyllis Rostykus
Saraquael is mine.  
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: ADMIN:What authors inspire you?
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:19:41 GMT


Just saw the "Director's Cut" (?) of _Bladerunner_ this last weekend.
Didn't realize JUST how much of my writing is influenced by that movie
until I saw it again for the first time in... oh... 15 years???  Ghods, the
rain, the City, the 'clothing', the humanity of those involved, and the
inhuman were sometime more *human* than the 'real people'. 

Living half as long, but burning twice as bright.

Didn't really realize *just* how much Roy, himself, influences my whole
attitude towards cyberpunk.  

Grin... John Palmer, this is for you, and whatever other Bladerunners there
are still running around the Chat.  White Crystal would *probably* qualify
as a replicant, there's more of her that's artificial than even she
sometimes thinks of...  

*laughter*

---
Phyllis Rostykus
li@inigo.Data-IO.com
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: What authors inspire you? REPOST
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: wolfone@dumbo.cc.utexas.edu

That's basically what I mainly read. What about you people?
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Future Belter's Ancestor   |"The meek shall inherit the earth. The rest of us
Future Lunar Colonist      |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
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From: at887@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Butler)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Eddie Argoe, where are you (Lost Book Search)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:40:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: at887@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Butler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Perhaps some kind soul in NetLand can help me out.

Years ago I read a piece of fiction about a guy (I think that the 
character's name was Eddie Argo) who was a computer programmer for 
the city of Buffalo NY.  The character fakes his own death, steals 
a van and a computer,  and becomes a hi-tech Robin Hood, travelling
around the country hacking into systems to "steal from the rich and 
give to the poor".  I've been looking for the book the past couple 
of years but am a little bit hamstrung by the fact that not only 
can't I remember the name of the book, I *also* can't remember the 
name of the author.

Can anyone help me out?  I'd like to find out (at least) the name
of the book and the authors name.  The publisher and publication 
date would also really be helpful.  

Please e-mail all responses to at887@cleveland.freenet.edu.

Thanx a lot!


-- 
Scott Butler
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From: peterc@cubetech.com (Peter Creath)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: The UN Patrol
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:52:13 CDT
Organization: Cube Technologies
Reply-To: peterc@cubetech.com
Distribution: world
            

Well?  Anybody home?  The last post in the story was on August 7.
Almost a month.  (I was beginning to get into that storyline).  Do
any of the authors want ME to jump in and try to give it a kickstart?

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From: dawill@hubcap.clemson.edu (david williams)
Subject: ADMIN: Crude part 2 is in the works
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:13:45 GMT

   Well, after some rapid-fire character exchanges with Lyndon Fletcher,
We've come up with a nice batch of stuff for my Crude story.  I don't 
think I'll be able to maintain the first person story-telling format I'm
using right now due to later story complications with some of Lyndon's 
characters, but no big deal.  What's a few details among friends?

   Writing time is at a premium, but watch for Crude part two next week.


-- 
      Dave Williams
        dawill@hubcap.clemson.edu
           "Huh?  What?  Could you repeat the question?"

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Michael Schommer [Inf-FSE])
Subject: ADMIN 2nd try: Looking for a co-author
Summary: Looking for german co-author for Cyberpunk novel
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:06:35 GMT


 
  Hi Folks !!
 
  I'm writing a german Cyberpunk novel, and I'm looking for a german
  speaking / writing co-author. German text follows:
 
 
  Hi Chatsubo-Freaks !!
 
  Ich schreibe gerade an einem Cyberpunk-Roman. Die Geschichte ist
  glaub' ich ganz gut, und ich komme auch gut voran, aber mein Stil ist
  zu sachlich. Deshalb suche ich einen Co-Autor fuer meinen Roman, der
  a) meine Manuskripte liest und auf Glaubwuerdigkeit bzw. Logik checkt, und
  b) mein nuechternes Geschreibsel mit Leben erfuellt (ausmalt...).
 
  Wer Interesse hat, mir bei meinem Erstlings-'Werk' zu helfen, antworte
  bitte per E-Mail. Bis dann...
 
        Saari
 

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