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From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: Re: 54-40
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:11:36 GMT

egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
> I just always figured 54-40 was just some stupid band name (although
>a decent band), when Al Bundy used the phrase "54-40 or fight" (not
>in context, only as a sample phrase) on Married With Children.
>
>So what the hell does it mean?

As previously established, it means "YES. MR. PAPAI IS RIGHT."

Jon "Sounds like an OK band name to me." Papai
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Aids in pizza
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 23:29:18 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center

In article <3107@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>In article <93019.074149MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>,
>    MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (David B. Horvath, CDP) writes:
>
>|    ICBM - ICBM missle - Inter-Contential Balistic Missle missle
>|    HARM - HARM missle - High Speed Anti-Radiation Missle missle (anti-radar)
>
>Ever notice how Americans spell "missile" as "missle" ?

Cross cultural spelling flames - what joy.  

This is a particularly excellent example of this form of bigotry in that the
errors were all produced within the editor of the spelling flamer.

Creative editing to make someone look stupid is particularly impolite.

It seems particularly inapropriate to do this to a post by one of those 
revered people who have their names at the end of the AFU FAQ.

Derek "Have you ever noticed how Australians..." Tearne


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From: carlos@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Miguel Borges)
Subject: Re: Acronyms & Funny names
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:02:26 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <C1Fyuy.1vK@portal.hq.videocart.com> mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews) writes:
>>In article <1k1tdqINNfle@lynx.unm.edu> mycroft7@vesta.unm.edu (Cliff Coy) writes:
>>>
>>>> HIV - HIV virus   - Human Imm.. Virus virus
>>>> ICBM - ICBM missile - Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile missile 
>>>> HARM - HARM missile - High Speed Anti-Radiation Missile missile
>>>> (anti-radar)
>>PCV - PCV Valve = Pollution Control Valve Valve
>>                  (actually...  Postive Crankcase Ventilation Valve)
>>RAM - RAM Memory chips  = Random Access Memory Memory chips
>>SIMM - SIMM memory - SIMM modules - SIMM memory modules
>>                       = Single Inline Memory Module memory modules
>START - START Talks = Strategic Arms Reduction Talks Talks

Actually, I think the argument is that "HIV" is a proper noun, and
it modifies "Virus".  So, when you say HIV Virus, you're saying it's
a virus called HIV.  Grammatically, it's correct.  Still sounds funny,
though.  So do the rest of 'em.

Miguel "Can't post about grammar without screwing up somehow" Borges

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From: pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul Vader)
Subject: Re: Smiley face
Originator: pv@gagme
Organization: Inline Software Creations
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:04:11 GMT

Jonathan Levine writes:
>I just heard an interview on CBC's "As it Happens" with a guy named Sacks (sp?)
>in Silver Springs, Maryland.  He runs the "Smiley Face Museum".  Yeah, that
>smiley face.  Best part is he claims that it was originated in or about
>1968 by someone in Seattle named, get this, Stern.
Les Stern no doubt. Why does this bring to mind Thomas Crapper and Otto
Titzling? PV
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pv@gagme.chi.il.us    FOAF, smartass liberal democrat
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Jesus' name (was Re: Late breaking pot
	<lm126uINN9k5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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In <lm126uINN9k5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, Brian Scearce writes:
>In article 16738@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>> Mel Gibson is Aussie, isn't he?
>
>Obfact: Although he was raised in Australia, Mel was born in NYC (which
>makes an interesting pattern when written in the Dingbat font, BTW).
in a recent tv interview, mel said he was born in peekskill, or however
it's spelled).  his family(he, his parents and sibs, and maybe someone else-
the cousin i know was not included in the expedition) moved to australia
when he was a child.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: nolan@twg.com (Who is Terrence Hallinan?)
Subject: Twinkie Defense (was Terrifying Twinkies ...)
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Peevetown Spelling Society
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:11:13 GMT


In article <C1DqKv.4p7@rahul.net>, phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:
[Twinkie defense question deleted]
|>In November of 1978, San Francisco supervisor Dan White resigned his
|>position.  He changed his mind, and mayor William Moscone wouldn't
					    ^^^^^^^
It's GEORGE, Saab-breath! Where you been all these years?

|>give him his job back.
|>
|>White responded by sneaking into City Hall by a side door (to get
|>his weapon past the metal detectors) and shooting Moscone and supervisor
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, there was that, but the folks in City Hall all knew the lad; nobody
would have thought twice about his use of the side door.

|>Harvey Milk to death.
Dan was from the Excelsior district of San Francisco, which was at the time a
white, middle class, blue collar neighborhood. Milk was unabashedly gay. Dan's
dogma ran over Harvey's karma.

|>White's lawyers asserted that his ingestion of Twinkies has diminished
|>his capacity to determine right from wrong.  The prosecution muddled
|>the case, and White was convicted of manslaughter rather than murder.
|>
|>White was out of jail a few years later, and was surprised to find that
|>his former cronies in the police and fire departments did not accept
|>him as a returning hero.  He gassed himself to death in his garage
|>shortly thereafter.

Nice precis. Keep up the good work.

|>Good fucking riddance.

Amen.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Aramaic (Re: Okay, if you're so smart ...)
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<CINDY.93Jan18135851@solan10.solan.unit.no> <2020@spam.ua.oz> 
	<1993Jan22.173709.19302@acuson.com>
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:01:00 UTC

In article <1993Jan22.173709.19302@acuson.com> 
lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
>In article <2020@spam.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
>>Aramaic is not quite dead [yet]. There are several (like about three) villages
>Bring out yer dead!
>Drew "African Swallow" Lawson

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani! NIK!
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:34992 rec.arts.startrek.misc:14437
From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:07:28 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

>schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland) writes:

>> In article <6u8mVB1w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> system@codewks.nacjack.gen.n
>> >Only problem is that this is wrong. Pluto is closer to the sun that Neptune.
>> 
>> You're kidding!!!!!

>I'm ALWAYS serious. [Ten points if you can name the source of this 
>quote].

>It's a well known scientific fact.

Well I guess you had fun yanking the poor person's chain...

Pluto has a more elliptical orbit than the other planets, and once
per orbit it gets closer to the sun than Neptune.  This is true now,
I believe it will be closer than Neptune until around 1996.
For most of its orbit it is more distant.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Re: Doggie Doo-Doo
Originator: davew@willow03
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:16:26 CST


In article <930119200826.1094@VAX.CSUN.EDU>, VBCSC03L@VAX.CSUN.EDU (snopes) writes:
> renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault) spews:
> 
>  > Horses eat road apples because it helps them digest.
> 
>  > Rabbits do the same.
> 
>   Maybe so, but *I've* never seen a rabbit eat road apples.
> 
No, you've got it wrong.  Horses eat rabbits...
-- 
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davew@cray.com , uunet!cray!davew          just an earth-bound misfit, I"
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From: CSD108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Foucalt pendulums (Re: coriollis effect and Foucalt pendulums)
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:54:25 GMT
 <1993Jan19.190049.27303@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
 <1993Jan20.223401.13885@acuson.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1993Jan20.223401.13885@acuson.com>, lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
says:
>
>At the poles, it takes 24 hours.  On the equator, it doesn't rotate at
>all.
>
>
So when Foucalt did the experiment, he was standing at the pole?

--Craig D.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Tony Scott)
Subject: Re: Mushrooms and the Cat---a live one!
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:47:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.160220.23985@acuson.com> lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
>In article <C19GGn.EHL.2@cs.cmu.edu> smith+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith) writes:
>
>>My wife came home from a horticulture class last night with this great story
>>her instructor had told her about something that had happened to a friend
>>of the instructor's.
>
>
>[deleted -- eat dinner, cat sick, stomachs pumped, cat had kittens]
>
>
>This is almost exactly the same as one of the scenes in _Her Alibi_.
>
>_Her_ (forget the name) makes dinner and leaves.  Everybody sits down,
>plate of scraps given to cat.  After dinner, cat is rigid in the
>laundry room.  The entire group swills epicac (may also go to the
>hospital, I forget).
>
>As everybody is leaving, the neighbor comes over and apologizes for
>killing the cat.  Since there was company, he just put it inside the
>back door at the time.
>
>
>Drew "never tasted epicac" Lawson
>-- 
>Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
>lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate

I saw M-M-M-M-M-Mel Tillis tell the original story on the Mike Douglas
show maybe 19 years ago.  I've since heard it various times as truth
on the radio.

UL: He told it as a true story: He and his wife hosted a party attended by 
many guests and VIPs including the governor of his state.  His wife made
a jello mold - dip - cracker spread something and came into the kitchen
and caught their cat diving into a corner of the carefully molded dish.
She is distraught.  He tells her to just smooth over the eaten part so
the guests won't notice and just serve it as is.   The party goes and
teh dip gets eaten.  After the party they find the cat dead in the 
neighbor's driveway.  Now they face the music and call all the party
guests including the governor to tell them to go to the hospital to
get their stomachs pumped since the dip must have given them food
poisoning.   The following morning the neighbor says, "Sorry about
last night.."  "How did you know about the poisoning?"  
"What poisoning?  I was apologizing for running over your cat!"

(Imagine that story told by stuttering Mel Tillis.  It took 10 minutes
and got a great laugh.)

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: AIDS cases reach 1 million, again....SPY
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:35:34 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

This is from the Feb. SPY magazine, condensed.

Oct 1, 1985: New York Times reports that "up to one million Americans"
are infected with the AIDS virus, and the total may be climbing up but
to 1,000-2,000 per day.

Apr 6, 1986: The Times reports that an "estimated one million people
in the United States" are infected with the AIDS virus.

Aug 27, 1989: The 100,000th case of AIDS is reported. HHS Secretary
Louis Sullivan writes in the Los Angeles Times that "more than one
million Americans have already been infected."

June 25, 1990: Comparing the spread of AIDS in inner cities to that of
Africa, Newseek notes that "an estimated 1 million Americans are
infected with the virus."

June 28, 1992: The CDC offers grim predictions of the AIDS rate, and
the Times reports it, adding, "the CDC estimates, very roughly, that
one million Americans are infected."

At press time, a CDC spokesperson told Spy that the number of
Americans infected with AIDS had reached a staggering one million.

Comments?

Michael
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Bambi meets Godzilla.
Keywords: apres ceci le deluge
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:55:33 GMT
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor

In article <C1HC22.LDL@rahul.net> I erred:
>
>Around here, B. v. G. was almost always shown with "<mumble mumble>, White
>Man",  a Lone Ranger parody narrated by the late Lenny Bruce.
>
Bruce Tindall has kindly pointed out that the Lenny Bruce cartoon was 
called "Thank You, Mask Man".  This sounds right to me, but I'm sure I'll
hear about it otherwise.

Phil "For extra credit, what does Genevieve Bujold have to do with
all this? cjl responses don't count." Gustafson
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From: curt.tucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Curt Tucker) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: AYDS
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: curt.tucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Curt Tucker) 

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
GM>thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

GM>No, it was always called AYDS.  I remember seeing magazine advertisements
GM>for it back in the Sixties, long before the AIDS epidemic.  Don't know
GM>anything about whether or when the stuff was withdrawn from the market,
GM>though.

Yes, the diet candy was always called AYDS.  I assume it was a
"cute" spelling implying "Diet-Aids"  Yes, they had been
around for decades.

I managed a drug store in the 80's and it disappeared from our
shelves around 1983 or '84.  The disease was beginning to become
a household word, particularly in the neighborhood of my store
which was on the edge of a low-rent,
money-can-buy-all-kinds-of-thrills area of Atlanta.

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From: caross@castle.ed.ac.uk (Christopher Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Terrifying Twinkies (was Re: The Big Pot of Grease)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:15:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


This stuff about Twinkies is all endlessly fascinating, but as someone
who's never been to the US may I ask "Please, what's a Twinkie?". Yes,
I have been reading AFU for more than a month AND I've read the FAQ but
it's taken for granted that everyone in the whole wide world must
know what a Twinkie is. I guess  even the Ferengi must know what a
Twinkie is. Ho, hum...

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Vegetarians and B vitamins
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:12:23 GMT

leecr@microsoft.com (Lee Crocker) writes:
: 
: Also, the E. Coli bacteria in the intestine synthesize B vitamins,
: although meat-eaters are not able to absorb them.  Studies show that
: vegetarians are able to.  I am a vegetarian and take no supplements,
: do not do any of that "protein combining" nonsense, and I'm healthy
: as a horse.

So, what is it about omnivores/carnivores that keeps them from absorbing
B vitamins from the intestine? Where do they absorb these essential
nutrients?

Horses dietary requirements are not the same as for humans. Show me a
person who can be healthy on grass diet.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: Diminished Capacity  was Re: Twinkies Defense was...
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:40:26 GMT

lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund) writes:
>	The so called "Twinkies Defense" of junk food intoxication was used 
>by lawyers for the murderer of San Francisco mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk.
>The accused didn't get off completely but did get a pretty mild sentence 
>for a double murder.  The light sentence may have been due to anti-gay
>prejudice.

"Twinkie Defense" was a creation of the media.  The term used in court
was "Diminished Capacity" and the Twinkie may not have even been a specific
example of the particular junk-food habits of Mr. White.

Every time I eat a Twinkie (not very often) I make the toast/motto:
"remember Dan White"
And if someone asks me to explain, then I threaten to eat more of 'em.

The joke around the time of the trial was:
	Q:   What did Dan White say after he killed Mayor Moscone?
	A:   "Time for Milk..."  [to the tune of the Milk Advisory Board ads]
I guess I shoulda Xposted to alt.tastless...

Didn't the guy serve just a few years and then suicide soon after getting 
released ?

	Bob O'Bob
From: caross@castle.ed.ac.uk (Christopher Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Acronyms & Funny names
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:00:42 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <C1Fyuy.1vK@portal.hq.videocart.com> mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews) writes:
>RAM - RAM Memory chips  = Random Access Memory Memory chips
>SIMM - SIMM memory - SIMM modules - SIMM memory modules

What about:
	RISC Computer - i.e. reduced instruction set computer computer

Chris
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The opinions above etc. etc.
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: AFU WEST V - THE MOVIE
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:38:07 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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	why would some who didnt want to be a weenie be
doing law????

			ce
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Subject: ulegends in the media
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Organization: Executive Networks Information
Distribution: alt
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:46:35 EST

Last week the "New York Post" featured an editorial in which they
argued that the U.S. has too many lawsuits. To support their thesis,
they quoted Dan Quayle as saying "The U.S. has 70% of the world's 
lawyers."



Alfonso Rivera sp(the kid said to have broken his neck break dancing)
appeared last week on the talk show "Vicky". (Hosted by the former
co star of the Carol Burnett show).

The UL didn't come up until another guest made a joke about Rivera
being dead. It then came out that Rivera gets many odd looks on the
street from people who think they are looking at a ghost. Rivera
said he was not sure how the UL got started, but that it really took
off after an Alabama radio station broadcast it. The station's source
of information was from an employee's daughter, who heard it at
school from a teacher. Sources don't come more reliable. What teacher
would lie to a student?
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From: acooper@nuustak.csir.co.za (Antony Cooper)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Coca Cola dissolves meat?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:09:27 GMT
Organization: CSIR, South AFrica
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X-Disclaimer: The opinions expressed below are purely personal
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Thus spake derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):

>I know a guy in South Africa who uses Coca Cola to marinate meat for Braais<tm>
>(barbeques to the rest of us).  He leaves the meat in Coke overnight and it 
>becomes very nice and tender.  It tastes surprisingly nice too and not at all
>like chicken.  

Then again, I also know someone in South Africa (actually, my brother) who
has used Coca Cola to marinade chicken.

Surprisingly, it tastes like chicken ...

>The meat is very definately still there.

Until it is eaten ...

ObSouthAfricanUL: Braais were invented by South Africans.

Antony "Will read a.f.u for food" Cooper
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From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Drug Addicted Infants
Summary: AAAAARRRRHHHHH
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:42:49 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1993Jan18.173537.25526@netcom.com> hatunen@netcom.com (David W Hatunen) writes:

>Unfortunately, crack has not yet been around long enough to know
>for sure about long-term effects. Also, the probability that
>a crack baby will also suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome or
>the effects of other drugs is fairly high.

Nothing has come up yet as a quick post to alt.drugs would quickly show.
'Crack' babies show no different development patterns to normal babies.

>(Not to mention that
>drug-using mothers are at some risk of HIV, which may be passed
>on tothe infant.)

*This* is what I really object to. Drug users get HIV through shared
needles. Crack is smoked!! Heroin (and occasionly cocaine I'll admit)
are injected and it is this that provides a HIV risk. Smoking crack
is less of a HIV threat than sleeping with your SO.

Joseph Askew

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