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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Names Update
Originator: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 16:32:15 EDT

As you may or may not remember, a few weeks ago we sought your opinions on
the name we were thinking of if we have a boy, Geordie LeVar (the girl's
name would be Devra Marie).

We both enjoyed reading the responses and we've been discussing them ever
since.  We also found out that the way that LeVar Burton's character spells
his name on Star Trek is *Geordi*, no "e" at the end.

Some of you said to go for it and not worry about what anyone else thinks.
Some of you said that Geordie was okay, but Geordie LeVar was just too much
and that we should try for a more mainstream middle name.  Others said that
any name that was out of the ordinary was only asking for trouble and we
should pretty much stick to standards like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and
Ryan.  Someone else suggested that I ask a group of kids what I thought of
the names.  Being a teacher I had the opportunity to do just that, and they
immediately forgot that I was asking about the specific names that we were
considering and started suggesting all the current trendy names.

But anyway, I think we've finally made a decision.  Cheryl decided that
Geordie LeVar was just too much, and was toying with a family name for th3
middle name...Lawrence, which is her father's middle name.  But she didn't
exactly like Lawrence, however, she had once considered the Italian variant
on it...Lorenzo.  Now this has two advantages; first of all, it's the
Italian version of Lawrence, which is one family name.  Second, it's sort of
a nod to our nephew Vincenzo, who goes by Enzo.  I told her that I had no
problem with this name, but since LaForge's name is spelled without the
final "e," could we please spell our kid's name the same way.  She said yes,
and so now the names are:

     Devra Marie Gatling
	or
     Geordi Lorenzo Gatling

And by the way...we just got a great Chanukah book, "In the Month of Kislev"
and one of the characters in it is a girl named Devorah.  So now if we have
a girl, she has her own book.  Now we just have to find a kids' book with a
character named Geordi.

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* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: kathyj@pyramid.COM (Kathy Johnson )
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Four Food Groups (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:00:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <1992Oct12.153324.25777@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.050346.8428@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct8.002055.21267@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
|> >>Not at all.  The four food groups are sugar, starch, fat and salt.
|> >>Petroleum is obviously a member of the fat family.
|> >
|> >Wait a second.  I thought the 4 food groups were alcohol, caffeine, fat, and
|> >sugar. Therefore Irish Coffee is the perfect food.  Right?
|> >
|> >Bill
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|> 
|> 
|> 	No!  It's Pizza!
|> 
|> -- 
|> 	Alan Yasutovich
|> 	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
|> 	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
|> 	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
You forgot Chocolate.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:31:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183026.9419@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>>Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
>>>(Dylan's mom, 22 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
>> 
>> Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
>>the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
>
>  So you're saying if the big kid pulled a knife, Dylan was
>  supposed to pull a gun, right?

As a mother of a 9-year-old who's come across his share of bullies
over time, I have to agree with james here.  When the cretins of the
world find out that there is a kid they can pick on who won't fight
back, they keep picking.  My kid's come home with swollen earlobes
(from being kicked while on the ground), split lips, and damaged pride.
He didn't hit back because somewhere along the line he had learned that
it isn't nice to hit people and two wrongs don't make a right.

I haven't encouraged him to slit throats but I *have* seen to it that
he can at least defend himself and be somewhat threatening so they go
pick on a stuffed animal or something.  And yes if someone hits him
and if he feels so inclined he has my blessing to hit them back.  I only
ask that he take the child's size (notice I did not say gender) into
consideration and not deck some feisty five-year-old, for instance.

Kids teach each other things.  We may not like the way it's done and
we do what we have to to set them in the right direction, but we
can't always be there.  Like I think james alluded to, when it's two
little kids against each other, reason doesn't always cut it and can get
them into WORSE trouble.

Yes, the do-gooders of the world will have a heyday with this one and
I can't wait to see the analogies and comparisons and "oh yeah, well
what about guns and knives and this situation or that situation" and
bla bla bla that will appear here in response to this.  I encourage
everyone who does not agree with me to raise their kids the way they
feel is best.  I'll promise you one thing, though, and that's that if
your kid hits my kid, he's going to get hit back.

Self-defense is a must in this world, and I'm not talking about just
physical confrontations.  I feel that children should learn from little
on that they are their own best friend and they should stick up for
their friends.  Later in life, I hope that this philosophy will manifest
itself in the theory that the best revenge is your own success.

-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: AnyoneSurgery
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:09:31 GMT
Summary: my nephew had this done

> 
> My son (2yrs, 8mos) will be having Bilateral Orchiopexy surgery
> in one week (10/20/92).  In English, it means that the urologist
> will be tying his testes down.  They are down sometimes by themselves,
> but not enough according to the doctor.  The  doctor says that his
> scrotum  ( ? spelling) is underdeveloped for his age.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone out there has ever had to deal with this
> type of surgery.  How do you prepare a 2year old for surgery?
> 
> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.  


My nephew had this problem and this surgery.  I think that one testicle
was down ok, but the other never came "down".  And he was, I think, 8 yrs old
when he had this surgery.  Don't know why they waited so long.  He was an
out patient also.  He was sore afterwards, and walking pretty stiffly
and slowly, but other than minor discomfort it was not bad at all for him,
then again, he was 8 yrs old, not 2 like your son.  Would you want to put
it off until he's older?   Good luck!

Christine,
Aunt to many,
first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
From: reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:56:46 GMT
Organization: AT&T/NCR, Lincroft, NJ, USA

okay! okay! i can;t resist!  i dated a guy whose first name was
Kristopher Knustad, very Nordic.  he would NEVER tell anyone what his
middle name was and when pressed would tell them the first initial, O.
his would be monogram was KOK.  he would use KK and get teased about where
was the last K.  i bugged him for the longest time to tell me what
his middle name was, he would tell me it was "odd".  i'd say now folks
have peculiar names and don't be embarrassed. he'd say no, it's really
ODD.  i'd say come tell me, etc.  well it turns out his middle name was
"Odd".  To make matters worse it was his father's first name.  his mother
would tell him he was lucky she put her foot down and got it to be
his middle name and not first.

reg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Odd Sayings...
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:36:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.191424.24864@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, geiser@netrix.nac.dec.com (Maryann Geiser) writes:
|> 
|> I've been collecting some of my daughter's gems lately (she's 3 years old).
|> The two that I like best are:
|> 
|> (from the bathroom) Daddy, I made poopie!  Send Mommie in!
|> 
|> (I guess I'm honored)
|> 
|> (from the back seat of the car, out of the blue)  Mommie, it's not nice
|>     to throw chairs through windows, is it?

(also from the back seat of the car, out of the blue, from 6YO son)   

   Daddy?  Do ants have money?
From: clark_b@cho006.cho.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Movement-How much is too much?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:23:43 GMT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America


[I tried e-mailing this but it failed . . .]

>worries that all the activity is a bad thing....he worries in particular
>that the umbillical cord will wrap around the baby's neck because of all
>the movement.

Yes, in my second pregnancy the baby was *much* more active than the first
and he *was* born with the cord wrapped twice around his neck.  This
condition was detected as soon as I started pushing (by this I mean that
the delivery nurse used the doppler stethoscope and determined that the
heartbeat dropped dramatically during a push), and fortunately
I got him pushed out in just a couple minutes.  Forceps would have been
used if the pushing wasn't working fast enough.  As it was, he gave a little
cry and then went limp.  He was immediately given a jolt of oxygen and
perked right up.  He is fine.  I say this not to frighten you, but to
reassure you that a lot of activity even if it does lead to cord wrapping
can still turn out OK.  I was definitely glad to be in a hospital, though!

I don't mean to sound glib either.  But I don't know of anything that
can be done to eliminate the possibility of cord wrapping or to
diminish fetal activity.


>"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
>that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
>                                                 [for Alexander]
(Having never been through such a loss myself, I know I can't possibly
know what you've been through, but . . .) my heart goes out to you.
Very best wishes for this pregnancy and your future parenthood.

	Beth
From: alden@coos.dartmouth.edu (Laurie F. Alden)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:26:34 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <3628@creatures.cs.vt.edu> debra@creatures.cs.vt.edu (Debra Potts) writes:

>Just to be added to the file of "unusual" names

>My great-grannie was named "Melvin" after her grandfather.

I have had the pleasure of gathering genealogical data for my family,
and have found some doozies of names - Experience (male and female
examples), Deliverance (M and F), and, of course, Great Aunt Relief.

I think I'll go home and name my stripey fish Experience, Deliverance,
and Relief...

lfa
--
Ecclesiastes 3:8.5:  There is a time to fish and a time to cut bait.
lfa@dartmouth.edu
From: jstack@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Stachniewicz - RMS)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fisher-Price car seat recall
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:10:56 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center


Try calling Toys-R-Us for information concerning the Fisher-Price carseat
recall.  They will give you back the full purchase price for the seat (at
least the one near us did). I noticed that there must have been a dozen
carseats already returned behind the counter.  This store already stopped
selling all of the Fisher-Price carseats regardless if it was recalled or
not.

					John
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nursing strikes -- Overactive Letdown?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:13:37 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Originator: mgaudrea@wb4


A while back, some women were having problems with nursing strikes.  I
hope those have been resolved, but in case they haven't (and in case
someone else may encounter this problem), I thought I'd pass on some
info that appears in the latest issue of New Beginnings.  A woman wrote
in about her experience with a nursing strike that was caused by an
overactive letdown.  The baby was overwhelmed with the more milk than he
could handle, and nursing was no longer an enjoyable experience.  

If the problem is noticed in the first three months, the following
suggestions are helpful (shortened to save time):

1. Nurse often

2. Nurse only one side per feeding.

3. Nurse in different positions.  One recommended is the "Australian"
position -- mother reclines while nursing so that baby's mouth is above
the nipple.

4. Do not use pacifiers or supplements.

5. When let down occurs, gently take baby off breast and let milk spray
into a towel.  Then when milk is flowing in a steady drip, reattach
baby.

If the problem becomes more complicated (baby screaming and arching his
back), baby needs to be retrained to enjoy nursing.  Some things that
worked for the author were

1.  Nursing before baby is fully awake.

2.  Offering breast often w/o expecting baby to nurse.  Lots of
skin-to-skin contact, rocking and cuddling with breast exposed were
important steps in overcoming this problem.

3.  Nursing only on one side and finding positions that the baby felt
comfortable in.

The author ends with "recovery took months.  It took hard work and more
patience than I thought I had, but the results have been worth it."
She goes on to encourage women experiencing this problem to get a copy
of LLL's booklet "The Effects of an Overactive Let-Down Reflex", 
No.  288-13, $2.00.

I hope this helps someone who is having this problem!

Michele
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:10:26 GMT
 <1992Oct7.021746.3720@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <Bvr7K7.94F@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> <1992Oct7.211423.7642@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Oct7.211423.7642@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>, d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria) writes:
> In Fall River, MA, there's a Doctor who's name is Marcellene Doctor.
> 
> Dr. Doctor
> 
> Denise
> 

One of the colleges here in Ohio has a prof (Phd, of course), last name of
Doctor.  So, he is Doctor Doctor also.  
Here at Wright State, one of the profs was named Dean of her department.
Yep, her last name is Dean. She's Dean Dean.

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Getting pregnant while nursing
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:44:24 GMT


You certainly don't  need your period back to conceive.
I know a woman who hasn't had a period in over ten years.
She has four children, and after each she has conceived the
next while nursing. The kids are between two and three years
apart.

However, notice it takes well over a year for her to ovulate.
My mother weaned me at 9 months (considered early in those days)
because she hadn't conceived and wanted a close spacing. It
worked -- she carried my brother for ten months and we're 20
months apart.

If you really think your nursing is stopping you from conceiving,
and this is a problem for you, try just dropping a few
feedings. It shouldn't be necessary to wean completely. You
can nurse while pregnant and it won't harm either child, but
you may not want to -- many women get very sore nipples. In
fact that's how the woman I mentioned above knew she was
pregnant.

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Date: 16 Oct 1992 08:08:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




>>She is an only child and very smart, and as a result, she is much better 
>>at interacting with adults than her peers.  < stuff deleted> 
>
>That's interesting ...two other persecuted children that I knew of were
>also only children.  Is Eddie an only a child too?  Is this just a
>coincidence?

Ok, now I feel compelled to jump in too.  I was ostracized, and an only
child.  I think being an only made it worse, as I was *always* the new
kid in school (yes, we moved _all_of_the_time_, once I was in a school
for only 2 weeks).  I was very smart, and once was told by a peer "cut
it out, you are making us look bad", so my grades dropped to b's and
c's and stayed there until high school.  Having no social skills with
peers made the situation even worse.  By the time I settled into high
school (same school that I had been in for Middle School), it was too
late.  I suppose I had already labeled myself, and others had too.  My
parents were no help, I remember hearing "Oh kids are just like that".

Kind of funny that now, as an adult, I am very popular, and many
consider me a laugh-a-minute.  Guess that came from trying sooooo hard
when I ws a kid.

Oh, yeah, being ostracized hurt really bad, and suicide crossed my mind
more than once as a teen.  Again, My parents were no help, I remember
hearing "Oh, don't be silly!" It is a terrible thing to have to live
through.  Like they say, though, that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

Some kids are VERY lucky to have parents that care enough to be
originally concerned.  Try EVERYTHING.  Even if nothing works, they
will not feel as alone.  That can make the difference betweeen life and death.

-Shirl

PS: Isn't it amazing how personal we get with 1000s of people we've never met?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler)
Subject: Re: Juggling Work and Family -- long term effects?
Organization: University of Victoria
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:42:58 GMT

betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:

>Unfortunately, this is a very emotional issue for most Americans. 
>There is nothing more frightening/annoying than a suggestion that
>"you're not doing what is best for your children."  I'm trying to stay
>level-headed in this posting.  Please bear in mind that I'm defending
>my choice, to put my daughter in day care; I am NOT attacking those
>who, faced with the same facts, decided to stay at home with children.

My only objection to the daycare advocates is those who 
feel that our government is *obligated* to pay for the
care of *their* child and their assumption that every 
child is better in a government controlled daycare.

>Let me repeat here that I am not saying "Daycare is better than
>at-home parenting".  I am saying "For my daughter, daycare has been a
>positive experience, and has provided positive experiences that she
>could not have enjoyed at home."

My experience with 3 children has taught me that 
pre-school age children don't comprehend deadlines or
budgets at all.  Is the stress of forcing a young child 
into his or her parent's business routine productive?

A IDLER
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breast Feeding + 4 Teeth = Ouch!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:46:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio

murray@media.mit.edu (Robert Murray) writes:
> Kate is teething, and she maybe using the breast as a teether. She is not
> mad at Lucy, because every time she does it, she has a sweet angelic
> smile on her face. Lucy says "No! don't do that" sharply and puts Kate
> down on the floor, so as to tell her that she cannot feed at the breast
> if she is going to bite. Kate continues to smile and crawls away to play.

Having no real practical experience in this myself, I sort of hesitate
to post but...

One book I read tells woman to press the child closer to them when the
child bites.  The natural effect of this is for the child to open their
mouth and stop biting, and also avoids scolding an infant that may or
may not understand what's going on.

Sean.

---
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614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:21:05 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Oct7.202037.15550@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <BvrIsF.7FD@access.digex.com> minx@access.digex.com (minx) writes:
>>I once met a midwife who said that denying laboring women food and fluids
>>in case of emergency c-section is like telling anyone who is going to drive
>>or ride in a car that they shouldn't eat for 24 hours prior just in case
>>they have an accident that necessitates emergency surgery.
>
...[part of story deleted, about large meal before c-section]...

>was supposed to dry up my stomach. I was expectiing something truly awful,
>but it was about 1/4 cup if some pretty harmless liquid. I am sure it isnt
>as optimal as having kept me off food/liquid for 12 hours, but it seemed to
>do the trick. None of the doctors, nurses, or the anesthesiologist seemed 
>worried about it.
>
>Laura Floom

  Did you have a general or a spinal/epidural?  The concern about food in
the stomach is for general anesthetic only.  I did have a c-section with
a general, but a relatively non-emergency one, and I also drank some stuff
they said was basically an antacid.  It made me throw up instantly (I
couldn't believe it had actually reached my stomach!) which I suppose
served the purpose just as well.  I don't know why it made me sick; my
stomach had been fine all through labor.
  Even with a full stomach, the odds of complications from a general are
low, but they are not as good than the odds when your stomach
is empty.  For elective surgery under a general, the "no food or drink"
makes sense to me; given the very low probability of needing a c-section
under a general, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for moms in 
labor.  Generals are nearly always used for flat out emergencies for 
women that have not already had a spinal or epidural.  Given that 
emergency c-sections are not that common to start with (and I know there
are a number of moms on the net that have had them, but they are a 
minority), AND that a certain percentage of women that turn out to need
them have already got an epidural in place, you are dealing with denying
the many to protect a vanishingly small number that wind up with generals.

 
					Susanne Gilliam