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timlee@public.btr.com writes:

|rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider) writes:
|
|>	The Geo Metro XFI is still the winner in the highest EPA city and
|>	highway MPG figures. It is higher than the VX. Since Geo is sold
|>	by GM, in a sense, Detroit did "top that" and has for several
|>	years.

>The Geo Metro is really a Suzuki Swift.  Although GM owns 5% or 10%
>or something of Suzuki, I wouldn't say it was Detroit who "top[ped]
>that" for several years.

	Yes, everybody and their dog is aware that Suzuki provides GM
	with the "Metro" which is precisely why, in my above quote that
	you included in your response, I said "IN A SENSE, Detroit did
	"top that"". The reason I said "in a sense" was to alude to the
	fact that GM did not actually produce the car. You might also
	recall that Suzuki doesn't sell the Swift in a 52city/58highway
	configuration as well.

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
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From: jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk)
Subject: Re: LIDAR and GEICO
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:59:00 GMT

In article <18tikfINN23k@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes...
>khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman) writes:
>>Opinions?
> 
>If you mount IR-absorbing plastic in a headlight or taillight
>structure and you better watch out for heat -- incandescent lamps tend
>to be pretty good IR-producers and the IR the plastic absorbs is going
>to have to be radiated somehow.


In regard to LIDAR, I read recently in one of the car mags that the GEICO
insurance company has provided the state of Maryland with a number of 
LIDAR guns.  GEICO did not charge the state for the guns, instead they
"ask that they be used on a daily basis to write tickets."  GEICO's 
anti-detector stance is no secret, but this is just the icing on the cake.
Think about it -- YOUR insurance company encouraging the police to write
you a ticket.  Interesting, isn't it?  Most of us are driving enthusiasts,
and therefore we have strong opinions about the speed limits in this 
country.  If anyone currently does business with GEICO, I strongly appeal
to you to reconsider, and to spread the word around.  Maybe if everybody
learns about this, those idiots at GEICO will lose at least some of their
business.

--
Jeffrey M. Mayzurk

jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu

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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re:    Fog out of A/C Ducts
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:49:28 GMT


In article <92252.215420U53519@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> The Air Conditioning ducts on my Infiniti G20 blow a white, mist-like fog
|> when the air has been on for a while.  No odor.  The flow seems inter-
|> mittent, as if a result of the compressor cycling on/off.  Any ideas
|> on what's going on?  Is it Freon, and am I about to die from inhaling it?
|> 
|> Thanks!
|> 
|> -- Ray Sparrowe

If it were Freon, I would suspect you would notice a quickly diminishing
ability of the AC to cool the car. Then again, considering Freon is a
deadly poisonous gas, maybe you wouldn't, because you actually died
last week. If, however, you are indeed still alive, and the AC still 
cools the car, it is probably slightly condensed water vapor, which is
still a bit puzzling.

Take it back to the dealer and ask them to remove the ultrasonic
humdifier from the AC duct. 
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From: jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk)
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:19:00 GMT

In article <ILH.92Sep8091655@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>, ilh@lcs.mit.edu writes...
>Perhaps this disk-brake bashing depends on the specific car
>manufacturer, no?  Perhaps SOME companies skimp when it comes to
>rotors...
> 
>Data point:
> 
>VW GTI, 94K miles, original rotors (no turning), 2nd set of pads,
>4-wheel disk brakes.
> 
>I used to have a Rabbit with rotors in the rear.  It was no fun
>changing those pads and adjusting them with the stupid little
>thumbwheel.


I have a VW Scirocco with four-wheel disks, and have never had a single
problem.  I use my brakes harder than most, between autocrossing and 
enthusiastic street driving.  My front rotors have over 100k on them and
have never been serviced in any way.  In fact, my entire brake system has
needed nothing more than pads and regular fluid changes.  Anyone that
thinks that drum brakes are superior to discs obviously does not know what
they are talking about.

--
Jeffrey M. Mayzurk

jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bruce@gordian.com (Bruce Hafford)
Subject: Anybody driven the Nissan Altima yet?
Organization: Gordian
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:38:35 GMT

I wandered into a showroom the other day and took a look
at it, and was somewhat impressed, but they wouldn't
take it off the floor for me to drive.  Imagine that.  So,
if anybody HAS driven it, whujja think?
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fred Puhn (Was: front disc brake question)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:15:06 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <3360183@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan) writes:
>Thanks to all who responded here or privately.

>You've convinced me to "do it myself".
...
>My brakes are working fine, except for the squeaks they make now when I
>press on the pedal.

Oh yeah- you've got to put the "blue goo" on the BACKS of the brake pads.
"Blue Goo" (it might be called "Stop Squeal" or something similar) is a
sticky substance that oozes between the various metal parts on the rear of 
disc pad (caliper piston, pad clamp and pad backing plate) to dampen the
natural music of metal parts set to vibrating amongst one another under
pressure.

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Not one of the "PC" weenies.
From: hbt@athena.mit.edu (Helen B Tatistcheff)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Summary: Hondas
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:21:45 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


I don't think any of the '92 Hondas have passive belts.

-----------
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hbt@athena.mit.edu| Into the wild blue yonder of God's amazing grace.
617-253-1670      |                                     -Steve Curtis Chapman
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From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: GMs plan: New Credit Card (MC, then possibly VISA)
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:42:09 GMT

In <1992Sep11.033813.11459%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter) writes:


>>There is a maximum credit of $500 per year for a maximum of 7 years.
>>According to Today's WSJ, you can also get extra rebates with purchases
>>at MCI, Avis, Marriot, and some other companies.  (The story is on page B6.)


>Yeah, but is the $3500 off of list (which I suspect), or after your best
>deal?

>Mike

Exactly my question.  Mike hit the nail right on the head here!

Say I make my best deal.  The dealer is ready for me to sign the contract.
Then I say, "Oh, by the way...I've got this GM credit card here..."

I bet the deal is off then!!!

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
From: aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Porsche 928
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:13:22 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I'm contemplating the purchase of a '79 928, 60K mi, and seemingly in great
condition.  I'd apprecate it if anyone who's owned this car, or a 928 in
general, would let me know what I might look out for.  I'd be very happy to
hear about any positive or negative experiences anyone has had with the car.
Thanks!

Andrew Eichstaedt
AEichsta@Athena.MIT.Edu
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Bel
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >I have heard some talk of eliminating the motorized belts but I haven't
  >kept up with the topic.  I would like to see them eliminated.  

As would I!  Nothing worse than a passive casteration system..  ;-)

Seriously, I've heard something about a family of girl killed in an auto
accident was suing carmaker x because the passive belts in the girl's
car "made her forget" to buckle the lap belt.  She was in an accident, 
without the lap belt on, and due to the fact the lower part of her body
flew forward unrestrained, while the upper half stayed in place due
to the automatic shoulder harness, she was decapitated.

Hope they win a huge settlement, just to carmakers will go to some other
form of passive safely (airbags).  Either way, the end consumer pays more
because of government intervention.

- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
---
 . KingQWK 2.00 .6 # 145 . Where am I going, and why am I in this handbasket????
                                                                          
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From: wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Subject: Re: Bee color vision (was Re: Bugs (and Bras))
Reply-To: wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales)
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 02:06:14 GMT

Scott Borders wrote:

	Bees *are* attracted to color . . . .  "Arrest-me red"
	. . . evidently brings 'em runnin'. . . . I have had many
	insects (especially bees) attracted to my new bright red
	Laser; this never occured with my dark sort-of-burgundy-
	colored VW Jetta.

Actually, bees can't see red.  However, they =can= see ultraviolet
(which we can't).  So objects look significantly different to bees than
to humans.  A "red" car finish might have various ultraviolet hues in
it that will make the car look interesting, or uninteresting, to a bee.

--
Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department
3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
From: tracye@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Tracy Evans)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:54:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) writes:

> Did anyone else see the report on safety belts on 'Street Stories'
> last night (CBS, 9PM)?

i did! it was pretty interesting..

> Now, how much validity is there in this report, and how do I tell if
> _my_ safety belts are prone to this kind of failure.  

Boy, you said you watched the show!!  Just buckle them up and hit on the back,
if they fall apart, my god!!, _you_ have them..;)

> If I have 'bad' buckles, is there anything I can do?

You could replace them with aftermarket 5 point harnesses.  Boy, I have been
thinking about doing this in my vette.. 

> I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on this matter.

Me too.. they said the manufacturers called it a parlor trick, but they did
show a GM pickup in a GM crash test that had a belt come apart.  Seems this
problem is not just one vender, GM, Ford and Toyota were named in the show..


tracy
From: rlwst8+@pitt.edu (Robert L Williamson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ANYBODY INTO 64-73 MUSCLECARS??
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:18:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I agree with you.  Most people have forgotten about thegreat muscle car
era.  I thought all of the sixties and early seventies cars were pieces
of junk until I bought a '71 Mustang and started to work on it.  It still
does not look all to great but the feeling of a nice V-8 is incomparable
to the new four cylinders and six cylinders, no matter what you do to them!
(By the way Chevys don't rule!)


				Rob
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:34:54 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <134@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu>, johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu 
(Stephen Johns) writes:
> >|> So does anyone have a list of cars which do not have automatic seat 
belts?
> >|> 
> >|>
> >
> >My 1990 F350
> >My 1988 Wrangler
>  Toyota Supra
>  Toyota Camry
>  Ford Mustang
>  New Mazda RX-7

Add the Ford Taurus and Taurus SHO to the list that DOESNOT have auto-
seat belts...


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:41:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Manifold Wrap to <turbo lag
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

...sounds bogus to me.  The turbo is there to increase the pressure at the 
intake.  Intercoolers are used to reduce the heat & allow a denser charge 
at the intake.  It would seem to me that increasing the heat at this point
would defeat this objective.  I suspect there's more to the physics of this
than I understand but with the information given, this doesn't make much 
sense.  

Maybe someone can explain this better...eh?

'later,
   Gary


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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: GMs plan: New Credit Card (MC, then possibly VISA)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:33:54 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.033813.11459%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter) writes:
>
>>There is a maximum credit of $500 per year for a maximum of 7 years.
>>According to Today's WSJ, you can also get extra rebates with purchases
>>at MCI, Avis, Marriot, and some other companies.  (The story is on page B6.)
>
>
>Yeah, but is the $3500 off of list (which I suspect), or after your best
>deal?

Think of it - either way, you'd be able to "do the impossible" and get $3500
off the price of a Saturn! ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Porshe 928
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:51:34 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.171211.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>, kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
|>       To the guy who said the 911 was the cheapest Porshe to maintain,
|>       your a feww quarts shy of an oil change.Anyone knows the 924 and
|>       914 are the cheapest and the 911's are at the top.I think the 
|>       saying,"if you have to ask, you can't afford it", applies here.

The advisement about the 911 came from a mechanic who specializes in
German cars. He maintains (and I have reason to believe he knows what 
he's talking about) that the 911 is a less expensive maintenance
proposition than the other Porsches. He didn't go into detail about
what the "other" Porsches were, but I know he was including the 
944 and the 928. Old 924's and 914's may have been excluded from this
because their "Porscheness" may be in question in some quarters. 
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:46:39 GMT

Mark Shaw (mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: 
: My son's life was saved by the European inertia reel shoulder harness when someone forced
: him into a steel light pole at 45 mph (the pole came all the way back to the windshield).
: I seriously doubt that these new mouse-ran-up-the-clock passive belts would have done
: as good a job.   An air-bag would have reduced his facial injuries, but it only needed
: to be the European style smaller size -- not the NHTSA baloon that is supposed to
: catch the idiots who don't also buckle up.   

Yes, the mouse-belts are annoying, but they are certainly safer than the
ones that are attatched to THE DOOR of the car.  When the door pops open
in an accident, you aren't being held in by anything, so SPLAT!  Talk about
stupid. 

Unfortunately, this whole mess is precipitated by our wunnerful (US) government,
putting their fingers where they don't belong.  There will always be idiots
who don't wear seat belts.  Call that 'evolution'.  DON'T force me to deal with
an automatic seat belt system for the life of my car.  As soon as my car is
out of warranty, the mouse belts are coming out and I'm putting in the MANUAL
belts which belong in there in the first place.

If the government hadn't come out with the regulation requiring automatic
belts OR airbags, this half-assed 'solution' (door belts) wouldn't have been
forced on the public.

Obviously, airbags & seatbelts are a good thing, but the government has got
their fingers in WAY too many pies.  Same way about helmet laws, IMHO.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
From: PRAX@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ANYBODY INTO 64-73 MUSCLECARS??
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:48:39 GMT
 <f5-n_t_@dixie.com> <5500@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
 <1992Sep8.125303.2237@wkuvx1.bitnet>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Hear, hear for the muscle cars of the 60's & 70's. It's obvious that there
are many of us too, take a look at the prices of Mustang Mach 1's, Camaro
RS/SS's, Corvette's, and the Mopars. Though the prices have fallen abit
in the last year due to the recession; but if you have always wanted on,
better get it soon.

Joe Praxel  1968 Mustang coupe (daily driver)
            1969 Mustang Mach 1 (club track car)
            1968 Shelby Mustang GT-500 KR convertible (oops, sorry thats
                                a dream car, don't have $80,000. 8<')
From: jconrad@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jim Conrad)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:24:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford Explorer Discussion
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I bought a Bronco II in 1984 when Ford introduced them.  The vehicle bump
steered so badly that I nearly spun it on one Idaho winter on a broken
snow floor and ice road near Sun Valley.  I swore then I'd never buy
another machine with a swing-axle-front-end-by-another-name front
suspension.  I sold the vehicle and bought a Jeep Cherokee (solid front
axle).  Years passed and the lesson was forgotten when I bought a 4WD 89
Ford Ranger (guess what swings in the front end).  This machine,
whose suspension looks alot like the Explorer's front end to my untrained
eye, also bump steered all over rough roads.  Curiously enough, I sold
it to a poor guy who lived in Sun Valley and bought a 73 GMC (solid
front axles again).

If you can't stand the ride on the solid axles, consider a Nissan Pathfinder
which uses A-arms under the front end.  They may not have the travel that a
"real" 4WD offers, but they offer a safe and smooth yuppie ride on the
highway and maintained gravel roads.

JimC



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fano@ils.nwu.edu (Andy Fano)
Subject: Rebuilding Carb: Am I nuts?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:51:43 GMT


I have an '82 Accord that needs its carb rebuilt.  I have almost no
experience fixing cars but I'm also a grad student not willing to
shell out the $400 or so required to fix it, so I've been considering
learning to do it myself.  Am I nuts?

Have any of you done this?
How long did it take?
How expensive were the replacement parts?
Any advice about how to proceed?
Any good books out there that describe the procedure?
What damage can I do if I screw up?

Thanks in advance.

-Andrew Fano
From: arnold@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Leasing - Ford vs. Mazda
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:40:11 GMT
Organization: SalzoBoard BBS

Does anyone have any experience with the leasing programs offered by
these two automakers? What are the advantages? Drawbacks? I have this
mental illness that forces me to get a new car ever 2 years, and I 
always seem to be losing money on the deal and I am considering leasing.
 
Please respond to my id: Arnold@salzo.cary.nc.us
 
Thanks,
Arn
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.152224.29161@bnr.ca> dclayton@bmerh801.bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:

>In article <9849.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:

>>-> |> the Integra, I saw the price at the dealer and of course Integra's
>>-> don't |> come standard with A/C. so that costs another $1000.  That
>>-> really |> sucks!!

>>-> Actually, both the Integra GS and GSR come standard with Air, only
>>-> the LS

>>  No, the Integras do not come factory standard with air.  I have an
>>Integra GS and no Integra's come standard with air.  It is a dealer
>>installed option and ranges from $895 to $1495, depending on where you
>>live.  Don't ask me why Honda doesn't put  air in as a standard, pretty
>>stupid pating $18,000 for a car and it doesn't come with standard air!!

>Yes THEY DO, in Canada.

No, Hondas do not come with a _factory_ installed air.  _ALL_ Hondas
(except for the NSX and the LEGEND) do not get their air installed at
the _factory_.

>Does everyone understand now???

Maybe a short lesson in _English_ might be appropiate?  _Factory_
means that it gets put in while the car is still on the assembly line,
before it _leaves_ the factory.  Now local distributors and/or
importers and/or dealers may install the air (at the customers request
or maybe not), but when they _LEAVE_ the Honda factory _THEY DON'T
HAVE AIR INSTALLED_!

I asked the VP of Honda Engineering (Honda Motor Corp USA) why this
was, and he was as disgusted with it as _I_ was!

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
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From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Subject: Re: Sho don't have problems..
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:24:49 GMT


In article <3664@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes...
>In article <10410.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) writes:
>>timing belt replaced  (65k)
> 
>	was this something you just decided to do or was it required?

Ford says it is a 60K belt.  The labor is megabucks to replace it.

>>and the battery replaced last week after it shorted out, and the car
> 
>	Yeah, i forgot about that Ford 13 month battery...

All, I mean ALL SHO owners had to replace their battery prematurely.  I am
starting to wonder if there is inherent fault in the charging system.  Voltmeter
readings show that charging voltage is on the low side.  There are no
serviceable or tunable parts to it.  

>	Anyone know if it's possible to replace the toy foglights that
>come on this car with something useful, or is what's there all that will
>fit in the cutouts in the boy-racer plastic?
>								wr

If you think you can replace them, please help me _aim_ them.  There are no
adjustment that I could find.  You are right, those tiny foglights are
ther just for show.  Those cut-outs are just too small to fit any useful light
there.  I wonder if Acura type lamps could be fitted in the parking lights of
SHO, agumenting those meagre headlights.

Vikas Sontakke		Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.
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