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From: ASH733@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU
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Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:45:13 GMT
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     Talking about "racism" and "ethnocentrism".....  As a sociologist,
  I prtefer to use these words in specific circumstances and avoid
  using them interchangeably.  To me, the definition of racism is
  something like this; " To separate and differentiate a certain
  social category (of people) by an arbitrary selection of physical or
  biologically transmitted characteristics."  Racism , first of all,
  has a purpose ... to take out a social (or economic or political)
  privilege from a certain set of people so that the rest of the
  society would benefit.  Second, the physical marking that is supposed
  to be important (skin color, hair form, etc.) depends on the dominant
  belief in each society.  There is no uniform or scientific criteria
  to determin who belong to what race (think about how "mixed" racial
  people are treated in different societies.  In other example, the U.S.
  uses basically "black" & "white" dichotomy but in South Africa and
  some Latain American soceities, they use "black" "white" & "colored" or
  "mulatto" categories to differenciate their people). And finally,
  racism makes most sense in a society where assumed "racial" differences
  are closely tied to the existing social class or status differences.
  Racism becomes integral part of a society where people of different
  physical features coexisted and interacted to each other for a quite
  long time (thus it becomes institutionalized).
     Now for ethnocentrism.... ethnocentrism is a natural response of
  people when tbey encounter a different ethnic group... it is a
  feeling that one's own culture is normal, correct, and even superior
  than others'.  Especially ethnocentrism is evident in a very culturally
  homogeneous society where people have a limited contact with outsiders.
  While "race" is a socially constructed,artificialy concept, ethnicity
  is much more real... it is a feeling of sharing a sense of "peoplehood"
  (according to Milton Gordon) ... sharing a common language, behavior
  pattern, attitudes and history.   Thus "ethnocentrism", an expression
  of the ilogical love of one's own ethnicity, is much more benign than
  racism.  Racism has a mean purpose.  Ethnocentrism (at its pure and
  naive form ) has no purpose.
     It is quite obvious to me, that the Japanese (of my generation) are
  ethnocentric than rasist.  I have to point out, however, that the
  Japanese invasion to Asian nations during the world war II was clearly
  the case of racism.

  Akiko S. Hosler
  Ph.D. candidate
  Dept. of Sociology, SUNY Albany
From: AECARM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: MAFF Internet Address?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:00:42 GMT
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Does anybody know if Japan's Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry, and
Fisheries (MAFF) has an internet address, and if so what is it.  I'd
like to see if I could get some statistics on Japan's agriculture.
Thanks,

  -- Doug

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From: ecovingt@SDCC13.UCSD.EDU
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Subject: Re: Blank Mail Note
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:22:54 GMT
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	Graduate program in business with emphasis on Japanese....? Hmm, this
sounds a lot like the IRPS (International Relations and Pacific Studies)
graduate school here at UCSD (University of California, San Diego). This
program is actually more focused in economics or political science (I think
you can choose which you like) and the students all pick a country to specialize
in. You can choose Japan, China, Korea, or Latin America. You are required to
pass the Foreign Service proficiency test in the language of the region you
chose. There is a professor Chalmers Johnson who teaches there, I think he
is well known.
	I am not a student of IRPS (just a lowly undergraduate ^_^) but you
might want to write them. Send me an e-mail if you would like their
address.
	Maiko Covington		ecovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
From: crowfix!felix@UUNET.UU.NET
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Subject: Re: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:18:21 GMT
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Can you send me the ISBN or equivalent from those two dictionaries,
the Kenkyusha Furigana E->J and the Spahn-Hadamitsky J->E?  I'm
currently using a Vaccari E->J I bought 20 years ago when in the Navy,
and I've never been satisfied with it, but Kinokuniya in San Francisco
hasn't had anything better.  All their E->J are for Japanese, with all
the explanations and examples in Japanese, and no furigana.  Maybe I
can get them to order for me, if the price is "reasonable" :-(.
Thanks.

            ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
   Felix Finch, scarecrow repairer / felix@crowfix.com / uunet!crowfix!felix
From: etkovacs@UNITY.NCSU.EDU
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Subject: Re: Software
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:45:28 GMT
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Re MANGAJIN -

The magazine is in English with Japanese. It contains some manga,
articles on cultural topics, vocab, and so on. I do not have the
address with me here, will post it when I get home. It is
available in many bookstores, and there is a special student
subscription rate for 5 issues. If you are a student, ask the
foreign language dept at your school about this.

I will give you more info when I get home this afternoon.

evatc

etkovacs@unity.ncsu.edu
From: David_W_INOUYE@UMAIL.UMD.EDU
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Subject: Re: Re: Software on Unix.
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:12:58 GMT
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Rhubarb cobbler for dessert.  I'm roasting a chicken for dinner for my
cousin and his friend.  Just got back from WA Gulch.  Elk have eaten and
trompled a lot of the Erythronium plants there.  I had to run into town on
my motorcycle to get oil for the rented car, which was low, before we could
drive back.
OK, I'll look at your book questions.  I don't have a copy of her editorial
comments here though.  I'll try to go through some more of my chapters
before I see you to see whether I have questions too.
Flying John out sounds like a good idea to me.
Could you ask Chuck to check his e-mail?  I had a question about keeping the
rented van for another couple of weeks.  Thanks.
It's not so much the dirt road and the trailer as the extra distance I'd
have to drive to get to your place when I'lI be arriving so late.  Another
favor to ask of you - could you look in the phone book and see whether there
is a Honda motorcycle dealer in Boulder?  I have to go count flowers now that
the chicken is in the oven.                Love.
From: SHERWOO@mitvma.mit.edu
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Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:24:39 GMT
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Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
but I think the Japanese are very racist. You need but look at the
history of the "Greater East Asian Coprosperity Sphere" to find this
out. In fact, you might want to read John Dower's book "War Without
Mercy" to get an idea of what the Japanese in the 1930s meant about the
nations of Asia assuming their "proper position." Their immigration
policies are exclusionary, and the vast majority of Japanese-born people
of Asian ancestry are not Japanese citizens. To become a Japanese citizen,
one must first steel oneself against prejudice and insularity. One must
then be able to speak, read and write Japanese very well and, finally,
be willing to abandon one's name for a Japanese name. This much I know
for sure. There is probably much more.
From: thutt@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
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Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:27:10 GMT
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    subscribe "Taylor" "Taylor W. Hutt"
From: klatta@MERIT.EDU
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Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:02:41 GMT
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>Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
>but I think the Japanese are very racist.

Well, the term racist has maybe a little more baggage than I'd like.
Maybe ethnocentric would be better. Most Asians have a cultural value
that places preference on their own group. Japans insularity make that
more identified with their entire nation. In contrast the levels
of the same phenomena in China result in preferences for Chinese above
others, but even for members of their region over those from other parts
of the country. The part of Japanese behaviour I'd explicitly call
racists involves the attitude towards the "native" sub-population of
the other islands including Okinawa and Saipan. This is very similar
to the White Southerners who have African-American heritage or are
worried about that. That is, there's an element of denial about their
ethnic origin that is reflected in hostility to these "hairy, dark
skinned" members of their society (who of course don't lok particularly
dark or hairy to most of the rest of the people in the world).
A good general discussion (indeed one of the few such discussions I've ever
seen in print, only close friends will even discuss these things in
person) of these issues is in the recent book, "The Asian Mind Game." Written
by a Chinese woman who was born on the mainland, raised in Taiwan/Taipei,
and now an international business consultant in the States, it covers the
differences and similarities among Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans (primarily)
as well as the interactions among those groups. Very interesting reading.

Ken Latta, University of Michigan
From: ASH733@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:46:17 GMT
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======================================================================== 49

  Thanks for the comments on the issue of racism.  (Especially James G.,
 Steve D., Warren R., Calude H., and Smittie, among others).

  There are a couple of things I want to add on this subject (sorry it is
 not directly related to Japan or the Japanese).
  First of all, the definition of ethnocentrism I used is based on the
 "Primordialist" view of ethnicity; that is, ethnicity (or the sense of
 peoplehood)is innate, instinctive, and present at birth.  There is an
 opposing view, of course, which is often called "rational model" or
 "Ethnogenesis".  In this view, ethnicity is also socially constructed
  just like "race", and that people use ethnicity to advocate
  political interests (Glazer and Moynahan, for example).
     Primordialists think basically an ethnic group is a kinship group
  (I mean, way back in history when the basic unit of people was tribe).
  When people did not have a means to travel a long distance (before the
  creation of a large ocean vessle, for example), there was almost no
  opportunity that people would meet other people with very different
  physical features.  (Scandinavians did not meet Bushmen).  The concept
  of race was introduced to people AFTER they could travel a long
  distance.  Namely CONQUEST and SLAVE TRANSFER created the inter-mix
  of peoples. (and later, nation-state building and immigration
  also created diversity of people within a state boundary).  This
  is why racism is assumed to be purposeful.  Racism in this context is
  understood as a system to legitimate exploitation of the subordinate
  people who were either conqured, enslaved, or became a part of minority
  population through annexation of territory.  Again, this view may not
  be a majority view and I expect some criticism on this as well.
     Some people define "racism" as "racial prejudice" (more emphasis
  on attitude than behavior). Social psychologists have done so much
  studies on this subject and there are millions of publications.
  I am more or less "structurlist" (that is, my focus of study is on
  the system or "the hardware" of a society rather than what people
  think or feel or "the software" of a society).  So I'm not an expert
  on this side of argument.

  Akiko Hosler
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From: marc@PXCL4.GI.RWTH-AACHEN.DE
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Subject: Re: Software on Unix.
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:56:41 GMT
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Sprich mich noch mal an, ich habe zu Hause stehen, wo es den NJSTAR Editor
gibt.


Tschuess, Marc


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From: sdwyer@AGSM.UCLA.EDU
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Subject: @(HDESQview/X
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:52:36 GMT
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>
> I beg to differ. I lived in Japan for 26 years, and I saw a great
> deal of ugly stuff. As for the immigration regulations, they may
> be out of date. I'd appreciate an update.
>
Automatic citizenship uesed to be granted only if the father was
Japanese.  Now a Japanese mother is enough.  Permanent residency is
possible after only 5 years in Japan; it used to be something like 10 or
12 years.  I do not know of the regulations requiring a Japanese name,
but I have heard of one famous guitarist who changed his citizenshpi
from French to Japanese without changing his name.  (I suppose it is
possible he was an exception -- this case was about 15 years ago.)

I never said there is no prejudice in Japan, but I did imply that the
prejudice is not as open as in other countries.  I would imagine that
none of the "ugly stuff" was actually ugly enough to be considered
criminal.  Am I wrong?

Having said that, I must apologize for seeming to apologize for the
Japanese.  The Koreans living in Japan do have a very rough time.  They
are discriminated in employment, then the Japanese blame them for not
having more respectable jobs.  The Japanese do allow Koreans to gain
Japanese citizenship, but the allotment for Koreans does not reflect the
number of Koreans with strong justification for citizenship.  My guess
is that the easiest way for a Korean to gain Japanese citizenship is to
first become French.  It does not seem fair to me.

What is wrong with requiring Japanese fluency to become Japanese?  I
would imagine that that would give an edge to the Japanese-born Koreans,
if it were not for the allotment system (which most coountries have).

Steve
From: rto051@HIPPO.SPS.MOT.COM
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Subject: Re: Question
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:23:31 GMT
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In article <9207230819.AA21976@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>Hey, I've read some stuff about future tense, and present tense, and past
>tense, but what happens when two or more tenses have the same meaning?
>
>For example, "asu" means tomorrow, right?  And "ashita" also means tomorrow.
>So, what about "ashiteru"?  Does that also mean tomorrow?

"Asu" happens to "look" like a verb, because it ends in '-u', and
"ashita" just happens to look like what the past-tense of a verb
would look like were that verb "asu", but both of these resemblences
are just coincidence.  "Asu" and "ashita" are just two different words
that both mean tomorrow.  "Different" here means "different
pronunciation" -- they are both written with the same kanji, which (to
make your life even more confusing) can also be read "myounichi".

Don't you love this language?  The bottom line is that "ashiteru" has
no relation to either "asu" or "ashita" (most likely it's "ai shiteru"
that she said... :), and so you'ld better call and check on when she was
planning on meeting you...
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From: DTWIANOW@SUNRISE.SYR.EDU
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Subject: Re: Surreal Email
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:32:36 GMT
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Well, it made me laugh more than anything in a long time.  Not that it
was funny-- it was just unexpected.

BTW< how was the rhubarb custard? :)
From: diamond@JIT081.ENET.DEC.COM
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Subject: Question
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:23:32 GMT
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Hey, I've read some stuff about future tense, and present tense, and past
tense, but what happens when two or more tenses have the same meaning?

For example, "asu" means tomorrow, right?  And "ashita" also means tomorrow.
So, what about "ashiteru"?  Does that also mean tomorrow?

Please answer today, 'cause I can't figure out what my girlfriend said her
plans were for tonight and tomorrow.

-- Norman Diamond     diamond@jit081.enet.dec.com
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 Serious replies to this message, if any, should be sent to /dev/null  :-) ]
From: ecovingt@SDCC13.UCSD.EDU
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Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:17:34 GMT
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Race vs. ethnicity? Well.... ethnicity has to do with the culture you are
practicing, whereas race has to do with things like happening to have the
genes for black skin or white, blue eyes or green, I think
		Maiko Covington

Example: How about 3rd or 4th generation "Japanese Americans" (just an example
here, and not to say that I totally agree with the term) who have never been
to Japan, do not speak any of the language at all, and who don't really have
any ties with the culture anymore? Are they Japanese? I'd say they are racially
, yes, but maybe not ethnically anymore. Maybe this is bad example (Maiko
pulls up the asbestos undies).
From: AENIX%UMSVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
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Subject: Extremely interested
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:31:55 GMT
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Please send me any pertinent info. I am grateful.
From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR
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Subject: if you can't get *.fj then....
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:45:26 GMT
Distribution: fj

....you can always ftp (or ftpmail as I mentioned before) to
ferkel.ucsb.edu and there you'll find an Aladdin's cave of
treasures including a host of song lyrics (in romaji, english
translation and Kanji/Kana-JIS format).

You can then learn how to romance your koibito in Japanese :-}


From "LAMU no RABUSONGU: (Lum's love song) \
     "Urusei Yatsura" opening theme (1981)  Translation: Theresa Martin

hoshi-tachi ga kagayaku yofuke          The stars shine late at night.
yumemiru no  anata no subete            I dream entirely of you.

I won't bother with the JIS, try for yourself.


There's lots of other goodies... loads of gifs, articles on Japanese
music scene and of course Maiko's Pulitzer prize winning articles
on the Japanese school system.  Did they really finish at no.7 ?
Say it ain't so....  Article 7 finished, leaving me hanging by the edge
of my seat with the promise "the continuation is on the way".  It seems
that the Japanese school system and the British one have quite a few
things in common.


anyway good luck with Mr.ferkel.

My french ROSE awaits,

Peter
From: mcann@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
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Subject: Scholarships
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:05:43 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi.  I have a friend who no longer has an account, so he asked me to write.
He graduated from Duke University this Spring and will be attending Sophia
University in Tokyo for Graduate school in the Fall.  There he will study
Japanese and Economics.  He is wondering if you could send any information
on scholarships.

We thank you for your help.

-Mike Cann
From: etkovacs@UNITY.NCSU.EDU
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Subject: Re: Software Mangajin
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:48:12 GMT
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Re Mangajin-

The address for subscriptions is :
Mangajin, P.O. Box 49543
Atlanta
GA 30359

Individual price of magazine is $4.50, US subs are $30.00/10 issues a year.
I like the mag a lot, but, then, I really like pictures.

sorry this took so long to post...
evatc
etkovacs@unity.ncsu.edu

( no, this is not a paid endorsement. )
From: schulman@MADMAX.HRL.HAC.COM
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Subject: Re: Japanese emphasis MBA info sought (plus a dic. reference)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:21:29 GMT
Distribution: fj

I think the Lauder Institute of the Wharton Business school
of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia has a
good international program including Japan.

Address:

256 South 37th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6330
From: claude@TRC.MEW.MEI.CO.jp
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Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:56:51 GMT
Distribution: fj

From Akiko Hosler:
>
>   think or feel or "the software" of a society).  So I'm not an expert
>   on this side of argument.

Oh...I'm a expert on the other side: the side of people suffering from
racism or any other nice "name"... :-)

--
Claude Huss
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Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN
DISCLAIMER:"I'm not singing, dancing, joking or even working for my employer"
From: AENIX%UMSVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: Scholarships
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:40:14 GMT
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Anil, sorry I couldn't answer your personal question asbout Japanese programs,
but I have a suggestion for your friend Mike. As you suggested mombusho is a gr
eat place to look. In addition to that, Rotary International offers 15 scholars
hips yearly. Information can be obtained from your local Rotary club. Some Japa
nese language is required, but they also pay for training if you need it. They
cover most all expenses for up to 18 months. Tell your friend "Gambatte Kudasai
"
From: sdwyer@AGSM.UCLA.EDU
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Subject: Re: MBA programs
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:11:55 GMT
Distribution: fj

>
>   regarding to :
> > 	Graduate program in business with emphasis on Japanese....? Hmm, this
>

How about:

          AGSIM:  I think it stands for American Graduate School of
International Management in Arizona.  It used to be called Thunderbird.
Of course, go to Wharton as your first choice.  Does University of
Hawaii have an MBA program?  If it does, it might offer some extra depth
in Japanese-related studies.  One of those three schools should fit most
people's needs.

Oh, excuse me!  I almost forgot to mention my school:  The Anderson
Graduate School of Management (AGSM) at UCLA.  This school is not bad
for Japan-bound MBAs.  The UCLA MBA program attracts some fine
students sent to America by Japanese companies.  UCLA also has a very
high name recognition in Japan.  Los Angeles is one of the bigger cities
for Japanese businesses.  UCLA MBA students will also have an
opportunity to spend a week visiting many Companies in Japan (The
students pay for their own expensess.) in AGSM's Day On the Job (DOJ)
program.  Also the faculty includes Professor William Ouchi (author of
"Theory Z"), an expert on the Japanese management system.  So I would
say UCLA has a very competitive offering for an MBA student destined for
Japan.  You will have the opportunity to make some good future Japanese
business contacts here.  Also the Japan American Society in Los Angeles
is closely linked with the business community.

 -- End of biased propaganda.  Actually I am a Ph.D. student, not
really a part of all these MBA activities.  Today many MBA programs
offer something for those interested in Japan, especially on the west
coast (and probably Hawaii).  For example, San Francisco State
University offers an exchange program with a Japanese executive
training/graduate business school called the Boeki Kenshu Senta, or the
Institute of International Studies and Training (IIST).

In short, there is a very wide range of MBA programs offering options
involving Japan.  You should consider several schools before making any
commitment.

Steve Dwyer
sdwyer.agsm.ucla