HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: David_Ingham@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (David Ingham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How to read standings
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:43:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <0elnP=y00WB98cvFp=@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Calvin D. Swartzentruber"
<cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> When the standings for a team are printed up, usually after the
> percentage comes two columns, a PF and a PA.  Could someone please tell
> me what these two abbreviations stand for, and what the numbers below
> them mean?  Thanx.
> 
> GO EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Calvin
PF -> Points For
PA -> Points Against

The #s below are the total # of points the particular team has scored (PF)
and the total points other teams have scored against them (PA).
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:32:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.191643.12032@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes...
> 
>THE EAGLES ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL BY FAR AND WILL GO 16-0 AND WIN THE
>SUPERBOWL AND THE SCORE MON WILL BE AS FOLLOWS:
> 
>                                EAGLES 42
>                                COWPUSSIES 3

You know - I was just starting to miss the MAD DOLFAN, when this guy came
along.  Now r.s.f.p is complete. We have our token idiot to amuse ourselves
with.  Isn't the net a wonderful thing?

:)



Doug

                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Need to trade a TE on Fantasy team any suggestions
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:55:30 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <BvpKrz.G5p@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070q285@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jacob L Goldman) writes:

| 
| My fantasy team has Ed West as its tight end.  He isn't doing anything this
| year.  I want to get someone new.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
| The following players are already taken:
| Pete Metzelaars(BUF)
| Butch Rolle(PHO)
| Keith McKeller(BUF)
| Keith Jackson(MIA)
| Ferall Edmunds(MIA)
| Ethan Horton(RAI)
| Brent Jones(S.F.)
| Marv Cook(N.E.)
| Eric Green(PIT)
| Steve Jordan(MINN)
| Jay Novacek(DAL)
| Your help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.  Please reply by E-mail.
| 
| Thank you,
| 
| Jacob


Here is a question??? Is Shannon Sharpe from Denver a TE?  He's listed as
a TE on one preseason publication and is listed as WR on another.  He has
been having great games lately?  If he is a TE, grab him!

Joe Sosa

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: JGH computer predictions
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  6 OCT 92 16:18:42    

Week 6 predictions: 
  (The number after each game is the amount the home team is expected
   to win or lose by.)

Falcons       at Dolphins         8
Eagles        at Chiefs           1
Cardinals     at Giants           5
Steelers      at Browns          -1
49ers         at Patriots        -8
Seahawks      at Cowboys         13
Bills         at Raiders         -5
Oilers        at Bengals         -3
Jets          at Colts            4
Rams          at Saints          10


Last week 7-5.  45-19 (70.3%) overall.  

Packers      10 Falcons      24    4 +
Bears        20 Vikings      21    5 +
Colts        24 Buccaneers   14    8 -
Dolphins     37 Bills        10    7 -
Saints       13 Lions         7    1 -
Chiefs       19 Broncos      20    3 +
Rams         24 49ers        27   10 +
Giants       10 Raiders      13   -1 -
Seahawks      6 Chargers     17    1 +
Redskins     24 Cardinals    27   -8 -
Patriots     21 Jets         30    4 +
Cowboys       7 Eagles       31    3 +

One note: These predictions are generated from ratings (published
in a separate message).  At the urging of several netters I tweeked
the algorithm to make teams slide up and down the scale faster.  If I
hadn't tweeked it the program would have had the Raiders over the Giants
by 1 which would have made the program's record last week 8-4 instead 
of 7-5.
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Conservative Projections
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:42:22 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.174015.276@nmsu.edu>, dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
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|> From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
|> Subject: Conservative Projections
|> Message-ID: <1992Oct5.174015.276@nmsu.edu>
|> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu
|> Organization: New Mexico State University
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|> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:40:15 GMT
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|>  
|>   I predict The Oilers will lose to Miami and Pittsburg will lose
|>   to Kansas City.  I expect Buffalo will beat Miami and John Elway 
|>   will go crazy in the last two minutes of the game against KC and
|>   throw one touch down and then run in a touch down to win by 2 points.
|> 
|>   I predict Elway will go crazy in the last two minutes against
|>   Buffalo and march his team down the field 80 yards so Denver can 
|>   win by a field goal to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

     A true Bronco connosiuer you are, obviously a long time fan who knows
     his team well....

|> 
|>   I predict Dallas will represent the NFC and will be ahead
|>   21 to 17 until the last two minutes.  And then, John Elway will
|>   go crazy in the last two minutes and will throw a hail mary pass
|>   in the last 10 seconds to win the game.  

     Well, maybe I spoke too soon.  You haven't been a Bronco fan very long,
     have you.....


|>   It looks like my boy, John, is going to go for the record in last minute
|>   come backs...Geez.  
|> 
|>      Dan

Murph
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 19:38:49 -0400 
From: "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Eagles/Cowboys (Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES)
	<91456@netnews.upenn.edu>
Distribution: na




>>And here's how they'll score quarter by quarter!  Ha! Ha! Ha!
>>No one else has predicted that yet have they, eh????
>>
>>       Q1      Q2      Q3      Q4
>>------|------|-------|-------|--------
>>Eagles|        14   |  10   |  7    |  3    |
>>Dallas|        3    |  10   |  0    |  7    |
>>--------------------------------------
>>
>Question: Do you have a life?
>
>advice: why dont you get one for christ's sake!!
>
>prediction of game score is as far as it goes, and now you come up
>with scoring in each quarter and a description. How stupidly
>enthusiastic can people get....

Ummmm.....it was a joke.  That's what the  "Ha! Ha! Ha!" was referring
to in his post.

	joe
From: rice@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (daniel rice)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: picks
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:53:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hungry-t.9209302353.AA07307
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

Anyone who is interested please mail me your picks for the current week.
I am running a poll to see how peoples picks line up with the numbers.
If there is a big enough response I will post the results each week.
Please keep my mail address around for future weeks.
I am not running any booking event simply a poll.
Intelligent responses only please.
Thanks!
I will take picks up to 12:00 Friday night.

-- 
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Dan Rice                        rice@cis.ohio-state.edu
__________________________________________________________________________
From: 22407LIZ@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL Address ???
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:04:58 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Does anyone know the address of the NFL Headquarters or even the state and city
it's in?  I'm trying to lay my hands on a copy of the OFFICIAL Rulebook and was
told they were the only source.  Any help would be greatly appreciated !

Please post here or E-mail if you prefer...

22407liz@msu.edu
22407liz@msu.bitnet
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From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Subject: Re: This weeks line?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:48:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.123522.22391@relay.nswc.navy.mil> gsprow@lordvader.nswc.navy.mil (Gregg Sprow) writes:
> Does anyone know the current line for this week, especially the Dolphs-Bills
> game?
>

From Dan Sheridan the lines as of 9:00 P.M. Thursday are: (Home team in Caps)

BUFFALO      11     Miami
DETROIT     even    New Orleans
MINNESOTA    5      Chicago
ATLANTA      7      Green Bay
TAMPA BAY    9.5    Indianapolis
RAIDERS     even    Giants
SAN FRAN     16     LA Rams
DENVER       1      Kansas City
Washington   10     PHOENIX
SAN DIEGO    3.5    Seattle
JETS         9      New England
--------------------------------
PHILADELPHIA 6      Dallas


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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: 49ers sign Garin Veris
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:27:28 GMT

The 49ers signed Garin Veris to a two-year contract today. As a Stanford
alum who saw Veris play in college, I'm overjoyed at this acquisition.
As soon as he learns the 49er scheme he will be an immediate contributor.
Good move by the 49ers to pass on Keith Jackson and go after Veris
instead.
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Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
=============================================================================
From: i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Don't Let the Door Hit You In The Ass, K.J.
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:17:40 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


Well if all the reports are true Keith Jackson is headed south.  My first
reaction to this is so long you jerk.  

Keith Jackson is a very good football player but IMO he's a legend in his own
mind.  Over the last five years he's been a steady player on the field but
a pain in the ass off.

I'm no fan of Eagles managment but Jackson brought alot on himself.  Two years
ago he walks out of camp and demands his contract be renegotiated.  It was
one of the few times I have ever agreed with management.  There was no way
I would have renegotiated.  After the season started and he realized the Eagles
weren't going to back down he ended his hold out saying the reason he came
in was that there was a conspiracy to fire Buddy Ryan and he came in to help
save his job.  (This guy is a shrinks wet dream.)

Then Buddy Ryan gets axed after the playoff game.  All the players are pretty
upset and say in a mature fashion that they don't think management was right
to fire him.  Jackson being the mature person he is :-) walks by the tv
cameras and starts repeating the owner is a jerk, the owner is a jerk.  Now
you may not like Braman but you don't act live a five year old, who had his
toy taken away from him, on TV. 

This year he holds out and demands Two million a year from the Birds.  Sorry
K.J. your not worth it.  You want Jerry Rice money then you start doing the
things Jerry Rice does.  The Eagles were willing to make him the highest paid
tightend but IMO he wasn't looking to come back to the Eagles no matter what
he says.  He was just holding out hoping this free agency thing would come 
about.  Then on Sunday on TV he says it's not the money that matters he wants
to go where a offense will use him.  Give me a break, it was money and the
opportunity to get out of Philly and away from Braman.  This guy is either
just stupid or he thinks all the fans are stupid if he thinks we believe
anything he says.

Don't get me wrong Dolphin fans.  He will do a good job in your offense.  He 
is a good player.  But he is a major head case.  I feel he was a selfish
player and in this year where I see the Birds coming together as a team
with a team attitude I'm not at all upset with Jackson leaving.  

He is a Buddy Ryan player that still has a Buddy Ryan attitude and I'm not
going to miss him and his mouth at all.


B. Snyder 
Phila, Pa
Go Eagles, All the way in "92-93" for 99.
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Free Agency              
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:57:00 CDT


Why not have a draft for C-Sci majors?

In article <0emUe0200WB2QIlnwj@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Well, so far we have Jackson going to Marino and slaughter going
> to Moon. Obviously, any reciever in hi right mind would go to a
> good quaterback, so teams with bad QB's will have no passing attack
> at all (Bad QB+Bad WR=0)  Of course these teams will score a lot,
> which will attract the good defensive free agents and the good teams
> will get better.

And C-Sci majors will want to go to the most advanced, highest paying
companies... (no one will want to write COBOL...)

>                   Of course this means that the bad teams will only
> get worse(unless they spend a fortune, which generally can't happen).

Of course this means that bad companies will only get worse...

> Therefore, after a few years of free agency, there will be 6 or 7
> dominant teams waiting to play each other in the playoffs and that
> won't change until the quarterback retires.....

Therefore, after a few years of C-Sci free agency, there will be 6 or 7
dominant computer companies...

> The reason it is amplified in football (as compared to baseball) is
> because football is a TEAM sport.  A reciever can't catch the ball if
> the QB doesn't get it there.  A defensive back will have trouble getting
> interceptions if there is no pressure on the opposing QB.  This means
> it matters a lot more who is on your team than in baseball where a player
> can bat .310 with 30 homers and 100rbi for any team in the league.
> So basically, if free agency lives, dynasties will be common place and
> the Steelers' 70's dynasty will eventually be considered brief.
> 
> The way I argued it sucked, but the ideas are right, IMO.
> I'd argue more but I'm in a hurry.

Congratulations, you've just been drafted by EDS in Waterloo, Iowa....

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Subject: Power Ratings after week 4
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:40:52 GMT

          OK, netters, after watching some of the power ratings here,
my associate Jon Acker and I have devised our own.  I am in the process
of writing a simple c program to automate this a bit. I hate the pen
and paper method.  All statistics are from todays USA Today.  Today,
the AFC, tommorrow the NFC and overall.
 
1.  Buffalo    29.1
2.  KC         27.7
3.  Miami      27.3
4.  Houston    27.3
5.  LA         27
6.  Pittsburgh 26.9
7.  San Diego  26.3
8.  NY Jets    25.7
9.  Seattle    25.1
10. Denver     24.4
11. Cleveland  24.4
12. Cincinnati 24.2
13. Indy       22.4
 
     OK, before any whiny Broncos fan gets all hot and bothered that
LA is way above them, We'll see how you play them at LA.  I'm not
saying that I dont like Denver, but I think that they have been
pretty lucky to win 3, while the Raiders have gotten some tough breaks.
We have been tweaking the formula every day (Jon is an Eagles fan and
insists that an additional weight be given to defence, while I am a
Bills man. Offence is everything.) At any rate, we think that this is
a fairly well balanced rating system.  Let me know what you all think.
 
Tom Steegmann
SQUISH THE FISH
 
 
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Will SF win the division?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:03:02 GMT

In article <1ateggINNser@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>
>Will SF win the divison?
>
>Here is the SF schedule:
>	Mia @ SF     ?
>	SF @ Minn    W
SAFE WIN?????  Homey don't think so.

>    	TB @ SF      W
> 	Det @ SF     W
>
>The W's stand for fairly safe wins, the L's stand for fairly safe
>losses. Considering SF nearly lost to the Ram's, arguably one of the
Considering SF nearly lost to the Ram's, they could arguably lose
to anyone..

Don't call the 49ers Division Champs yet.  Jury hasn't even
begun deliberating....
-- 
Eric Sybesma
University of Michigan
sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Quaterbacks:Steve Young the best in the league
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:52:45 GMT

nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:

>Yeah, pal, laugh now.  Elway does it again; 2 TD's in 2 mins. to bring
>back his team from behind to win for the 21st time. 

Your count: 21 and counting
My count:    4 and counting (maybe)

    --mack

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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Raiders QBs
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:15:49 GMT

In article <27000114@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>,... writes:
> 
> No, they both appear to be losers.  We want Steve Buerlein back.  One of the
> stupidest moves Davis ever made.
> 
> 

Buerlein was only a little better than Wilson, more consistently under-average
than Jay, and incessently whined about everything.  Face it, the Raider's
problems are much deeper than just the QB...I say, since the season is a wash
now anyway, let the kid get some experience.  We'll see what he's made of, and
maybe we can start rebuilding the supporting cast for next year.  Admittedly,
it's not the Raider's style to just play out a season, but what choice do they
have?

Chris S.
From: v079ptvu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Dream Match from hell
Keywords: football, guys
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

If you guys would just sit back for one minute and look at what you're doing
you'd realize that you're arguing with people you don't know, that you'll never
know over football.  ALL football teams have their star players and their high
points.  The Bills have had a good run these last few years...mainly acredited
to Jim Kelly. Mr. Kelly IS one of the top quarterbacks in the AFC, true, but he
is not God.  Joe Montana likewise, before his injuries, was and still is one of
the best.  
	All you guys are doing is blowing off alot of steam to no end.  You
cannot win an argument based on stubborn football fans opinions.  My point
being...why don't you guys lighten up and DISCUSS football...not turn it into a
computer grudge match.
From: 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON MATTHEW MCDONALD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:10:58 GMT
Organization: Acadia University



I love it when Ditka gets pissed off!  Did you see him after the game?  At a 
press conference he was telling the press that he 'did not want to risk the 
careers of 45 men just because one kid thinks he knows more than me.  If 
this happens again, there will have to be some changes'

This ain't an exact quote, but you get the idea, I assume that he's talking 
about the interception that harbaugh threw to hand the Vikings the second 
biggest comeback in history.

Oh yeah, I've got nothing against Ditka, he's one of my favorite NFL 
personalities, it just so happens that his best is being Really Mad at Punk 
QBs Who Just Don't Listen.

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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Dark Star)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: New Slogan
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

OK, since dolphins are not actually "fish" I propose the following--simple and
modest--

Skin the Fins.

					---Chet Zeshonski

ps.  the 'Fins are doomed, and the most telling sign?  The Buffalo 
sportswriters, not known for their optimism, have *all* picked the Bills to 
cover this spread.  If you have read the News at all on Fridays during the 
football season, you would understand the implications...
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:52:38 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <BvMDny.7AA@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.210347.28947@cass.ma02.bull.com>, silverio@cass.ma02.bull.com (Brian Silverio) writes...
>>After watching Miami take Buffalo apart, the question is:
>> 
>>Can anyone beat Miami?
>
>Be serious. They won a big game, not the Superbowl.
>
>
>Doug

Why don't you be serious! If the Bills would have won, all
you Bill fans would have been boasting, woofing nation
wide. Give the credit where credit is due. True,it was
only one game and not the SB. Please remember YOUR OWN
advice next time the Bills have a run going again.
Ed and I thank you for your support.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
From: fitch@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:36:06 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

PACKER FANS ...

I am looking for an E-mail Packer newsletter (there has to be one somewhere,
since there is for every obscure group, hobby and illegal activity around).  If
you know of one (for the Packers, that is) please E-mail the address to me or
post on this newsgroup.  Thanks.

Ron Fitch
University of Northern Iowa