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From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Re: Car Phones
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:01:23 GMT
Keywords: Hand free operation

  I find my car phone usefull when I drive home late at night from my 
girlfreinds house, when I am sleepy I generally talk to her most of the way 
home and it keeps me awake. Whenever traffic gets heavy or weird things happen
on the road I say "hold on", and continue talking when the situation has
passed. One person responding to the original posting said that people in the
car help you look at the road while driving, and they understand when you
don't respond to them right away, he says people on the other end of the car    
phone don't understand that! If you tell them ahead of time you may cut them
off for traffic, they'll understand.  Dialing a car phone is no more distracting
then changing a tape or station on your stereo. It takes a responsible person t
o know when a good time to dial a number is. Sitting at a stop light or driving
on the interstate without alot of traffic might be a good time to dial. Auto 
dial memory are real helpful, one button dialing.  What I can't stand is 
people who read these posting and have nothing better to do than write stupid
and rude letters insulting and putting people down who have a different 
opinion, if this is you, get the hell off of the net, we don't need you!

PS - My opinions only, not my Company.

 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (P. Virgo)
Subject: Little Pocket Rockets...
Summary: Shadow,NX 2000,MX-3,Paseo,Sentra SE-R,Storm...
Keywords: Any performance data been done on these?..
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:46:35 GMT


Well, '92-'93 sees the reemergence of the 'pocket rocket',and these
cars seem to stand out in my mind as being of that group...

So with the following stats:

Nissan Sentra SE-R
------------------
Engine: 2.0L/122 c.i.d inline 4-cylinder
Horsepower @ rpm: 140 @ 6400
Torque(lbs./ft.) @ rpm: 132 @ 4800 

Toyota Paseo
------------
(oops..better leave this one out...only 91 @ 3200 for torque @ rpm)

Nissan NX 2000
--------------
Engine: 2.0L/122 c.i.d inline 4-cylinder
Horsepower @ rpm: 140 @ 6400
Torque(lbs./ft.) @ rpm: 130 @ 4800 


Mazda MX-3
----------
Engine: 1.8L/113 c.i.d dual-overhead cam V6
Horsepower @ rpm: 130 @ 6500
Torque(lbs./ft.) @ rpm: 115 @ 4500 


Dodge Shadow ES(w/V6)
---------------------
Engine: 3.0L/181 c.i.d. overhead cam V6
Horsepower @ rpm: 141 @ 5000
Torque(lbs./ft.) @ rpm: 171 @ 2800 


Geo Storm
---------
Engine: 1.8L/110 c.i.d. dual-overhead cam inline 4-cylinder
Horsepower @ rpm: 140 @ 6400
Torque(lbs./ft.) @ rpm: 120 @ 4600

Have any of the car mags done head-to-head performance on these cars?
I'm interested,if it's been done,how the Dodge Shadow w/v6 did??
Also, any personal opinions on any of these in the vein of performance 
will be most heartily accepted(a female friend has a particular leaning
towards the V6 Shadow---but I'd like her to look at other options--don't
suggest the big toys(Mustang GT,Camaro RS/Z28,etc.),she won't bite...

d.j. NetBoy
-- 

d.j. NetBoy
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: toyota trucks
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:52:39 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)

In article <1992Dec27.181710.20669@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.144616.14940@nosc.mil> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec24.214649.11370@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>naw, 'invoice' is bogus too...  the *only* way to compare is by *actual*
>>*price* *paid*...
>
>Huh? That does not make any sense. People pay all different prices
>for the same car/truck. If you know how muhc it costs the dealership
>you can go a lot farther. How would one find out what people have
>been paying anyways?

It was not said to find out the prices that people were paying,
but the price paid. You can add "by the dealer", but even then
you must include incentives and hold-backs. It is near impossible
to tell what the actual price paid for a given vehicle is.

>The invoice cost is much more constant and gives you a pretty good
>idea of how much you would end up paying for it. I really don't care
>what others payed for it.

The person never said to see what others paid. Yes, the invoice is more
constant, just not more valid. It is not the dealership vs. the car buyer,
but instead it is the dealership vs. salesperson vs. the car buyer.
Don't think that the salespeson has access to all the facts. They have
access to what the dealership allows them to have access to.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

NRA Life Member/Certified Instructor	Sierra Club I-rated Leader
		Pro-freedom		Pro-choice

e-mail address: kemasa@ghost.hac.com
From: an1060@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Lincoln Mirror For Sale
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:18:02 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.autos

X-Anon-To: rec.autos

Hello,

I have a passenger's side view mirror for a 1987 (may fit other years) Lincoln
Continental...

New From Dealer is over $220....  I ask $120 or best offer...

Please Respond to:  mantell@ams.sunysb.edu

Abe

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From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rustproofing Propaganda?
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:12:24 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Dec21.140314.9312@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>In article <1h4etjINNq38@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
>>
>>Does galvanized metal become more susceptible to corrosion when it is
>>bent, twisted or welded?  
>>
>>I recently got into a discussion with a local rustproofing salesman
>>who was (naturally) trying to make a case for his business.  I cited
>>the fact that new cars today were made with more corrosion resistant
>>materials and therefore did not need to be rustproofed.  I also discussed
>>how incompetents in the field of rustproofing had actually hastened
>>rust on some cars: blocked drain holes, the drilled "application" holes
>>themselves actually rusting, etc.
>>
>>He responded by saying that even though more galvanized metal is used
>>in today's cars, the galvanization is either weakened or lost wherever
>>a weld occurs, or where the metal is is bent.  Is this true?
>>
>>There are an awful lot of folds and welds on the average - but is this
>>just marketing hype?
>>
>not marketing hype...but lies.  now that most all cars have 5year/100k mile
>rust warranties why would anyone have their car rustproofed...that would be
>a big waste of cash and potential cause problems.

Most if not all new car rust warrantys are OUTER BODY RUST THROUGH!!!!!!!
I dont know bout yall but I have Never seen outbody rust through.
Most of the rust Ive seen inner body rust through or the body panels
rusting from inside out. They know what they are doing.
-- 
C MYSIG  ASIG4U 1RADSIG 2BADSIG SIG U 2     U R SIG   1SIGDOG    ADOTSIG
 				The above advice is not to be taken seriously!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Subaru Legacy??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:50:49 GMT

>I've never understood the lukewarm reception that the Legacy seems to always
>get.  In the company you mention (Accord/Taurus/Camry), the Legacy IMHO, is
>clearly equal or superior to the rest.  I think that for Consumer Reports to
>validate the Legacy on the basis of a comparison with the old-style Loyale

No I don't think that was their point. They *liked* it precisely because
it was a very different beast than the Loyale.

john
-- 
John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __	
jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu         /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
                                           \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
  Back off man, I'm a Scientist!            \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Looking for Ford Sierra owners
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.180420.19834@ctsx.celtech.com>
alan@ctsx.celtech.com (Alan Dahl) writes:

>For those of you in the US: I have nothing but good things to say about
>the folks at Rapido in Portland, Oregon. They have been very helpful and
>consistantly beat the prices at my local L-M dealer on new parts.

OK, good- you've tried Rapido. They allegedly can get Euro-spec parts,
at least from what I infer from the catalog.

For better prices on Ford parts, try Lou Fusz Ford near St. Louis. They
charge 20% over cost. Ask for Ron, and tell him Kenny from Boston sent
ya. I've got no connection, other than essentially keeping them in
business. :-(

	-Kenny

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: alc@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Al Chang)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Allegedly "Noisy" Engine
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Grumman Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:24:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.193304.23085@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:

   From what I've gathered from owners, and my own experience and other
   sources is that the problem with Saturn's engine noise is a myth 
   created by car rag testers who were pressed to find anything bad  to
   report about it. It seems that once something like this is started,
   it is like a self perpetuating feeding frenzy. I drove one, and I
   didn't notice anything unusual about the engine noise. But I guess
   once this sort of thing gets started, everybody probably test drives
   one with ear cocked listening. Maybe I'm going deaf. Any other opinions
   from people who have shopped around?


I've been told that they did some work with the motor mounts to help
out with the noise and vibration recently. Also, it depends on a the
engine, whether its a twin cam or not.
-- 
******************************************************************************
Al Chang (516)346-6757,  FAX: (516)575-0965, email: alc@calvin.grumman.com
Grumman Data Systems, 111 Stewart Avenue, MS D12/25, Bethpage, New York 11714
******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: psanders@ll.mit.edu (Pete Sanders)
Subject: Before Buying Japanese.
Originator: psanders@ll.mit.edu (Pete Sanders)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 17:53:19 GMT


Before buying a new Japanese car please read:

	JAPANYES, (2nd edition)
 
monu6.cc.monash.edu.au. The most recent version is in pub/nihongo.

	(ftp site)
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car Covers - Need info
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:34:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Beverly Hills Motoring Accessories (see their ads in either Car & Driver
or Road & Track) have a good rep for selling quality car covers. 
They come in 3 or 4 levels of "quality" and they have a locking model
which involves a cable under the car that ties the two sides
together. A lot of people have their license plate number stencilled
in large characters on the front and rear ends of their covers to
make it easier to track down assuming it's stolen, and is then
used outdoors by the thief where you could see it :)

You want to get a cover that breathes, so don't use any kind of
cheap plastic. A custom-made cover (BHMA should stock covers for
almost all popular current car makes & models) will, of course, fit
better. I think they'll also send you swatches of fabics to fondle
if you ask. 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: "jim hepworth" <jim.hepworth@canrem.com>
Subject: audi - luxo-lemons?
Reply-To: "jim hepworth" <jim.hepworth@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:30:19 EST

I'm thinking of getting a used Audi (83,84,85?) for a second car for
just wheeling around in town (non-commuting). I like the styling and
handling reputation of these cars, but I hear negative comments on this
car as well. The APA (Automobile Protection Agency (Canada)) gives the
thumbs down on these car in terms of expensive maintenance, poor gas
mileage and high depreciation after three years. The 4000 with the 2.3
litre engine is smooth and peppy but cramped. The 5000 is roomy, but has
more problems thna the 4000 series. I'd like to hear feedback from
owners on how they have liked their Audi, and is it really deserving of
its reputation. Thanks in advance.
---
  SLMR 2.1a  Pass the token?  How'm I gonna get on the bus if I do?
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:28:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Electric Vehicles
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>     We would appreciate any information, bibliographies or contacts regarding
> the following or any related topics:
> 
> - current and future battery technologies (also fuel cells and solar power) 
> - power, acceleration, speed, charging data, and lifetime of EVs
> - economics of EVs, and results of low-emission legislation
> - any social influences or trends affecting EVs or resulting from EVs
> - benefits, disadvantages, or misconceptions about EV related topics
> 

There is a very nice in-depth series of articles on EV's in the "IEEE
Spectrum" magazine (ISSN 0018-9235), Nov '92. If you can't find a copy,
try calling them at (202)544-3790.

Tom
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Rustproofing Propaganda?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:56:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Does galvanized metal become more susceptible to corrosion when it is
bent, twisted or welded?  

I recently got into a discussion with a local rustproofing salesman
who was (naturally) trying to make a case for his business.  I cited
the fact that new cars today were made with more corrosion resistant
materials and therefore did not need to be rustproofed.  I also discussed
how incompetents in the field of rustproofing had actually hastened
rust on some cars: blocked drain holes, the drilled "application" holes
themselves actually rusting, etc.

He responded by saying that even though more galvanized metal is used
in today's cars, the galvanization is either weakened or lost wherever
a weld occurs, or where the metal is is bent.  Is this true?

There are an awful lot of folds and welds on the average - but is this
just marketing hype?

-stu
-- 
                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
                         --------------------
From: nguyen@hss3.smcm.edu (Ho Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Porsche 911 Recommendations?
Keywords: Porsche 911 Recommendations
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:25:39 GMT
Reply-To: nguyen@oyster.smcm.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1h3f4rINNf13@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> claude@cse.ucsc.edu (Claude  
Noshpitz) writes:
> Hello Net!  I'm getting ready to find a good used 911, and am
> wondering what folks' opinions might be regarding good/bad years,
> design bugs, general things-to-look-for, and so on.  Any publications
> that might be of interest I'd be interested in too.  Thanks!!!
> 
> --claude
> -- 
> ....................... nothin left to do but :-) :-) :-)  
..................
>    Claude Noshpitz                 claude@cse.ucsc.edu
>      5420 Coast Road                 University of California, AS225
>      Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA        Santa Cruz, CA 95064 USA   

Try Road & Track either the Jan 93 or Dec 92 issue.  There was an  
excellent article on Porsche 911 as "An Used Classic Sports Cars".  It  
listed price ranges as well as strong and weak points and what to look  
for.  Good luck!

PS I'm a UCSC alumni, class of '69 (Pioneers Class)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Ford Probe GT - a good buy?
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:17:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1992Dec18.231128@micro.caltech.edu> azirger@micro.caltech.edu (Art Zirger) writes:
>I'm shopping for a car to have loads of fun with and the new Probe GT has been
>getting lots of praise (even Consumer Reports!).  What is the net's feeling?  I
>was comparing it with the Acura Integra GS-R, but the GS-R just doesn't have the
>low RPM kick that the Probe does.  I drove the Probe (albeit an automatic) around
>Southern California the last couple of days.  It was a blast.  Maybe it's just
>because I own an '88 Hyundai Excel...  I'm just about ready to plunk down my hard
>earned cash; I'd appreciate any words of wisdom.  Thanks.
>
>Art Zirger.

 I guess I am the only person on the planet that does not like this car.
 First off, I don't particularly care for the looks, the lack of B-pillars
 is somewhat annoying, and I think its rear end is right up there with the
 Chevy Caprice's.  BUTT UGLY!

 Its performance is ok, only know about GT with auto, but nothing exciting.
 And its FWD - GACK ick!

 Having driven Diamond Stars, I would definately take an Eclipse/Talon(AWD)
 over the Probe.  I would also choose the Mustang 5.0, this car with
 modifications can be the ULTIMATE performance car.  Lesse I would also
 put the Totyota MR2 (prefer turbo) *way* ahead of the Probe.  Haven't driven
 the new Corrado, but it sounds very nice, althought it also suffers from FWD.
 That's all I can think of in that price range.
 
 FYI: I drive a 90 Supra Turbo.  If that explains anything...
-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: emblems, names and m
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <29061@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)  
writes:
> In rec.autos, Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> > bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil
> 
> > > How about a squashed 'H' for Honda? (After all, in other markets
> > > besides the US one, Acuras are sold under the Honda badge.)
> 
> >   Has anyone noticed that Acura's stylisied 'A' is just the
> >Honda squashed 'H' upside down?
> 
> I don't know about upside down, but I did state that it was "squashed",
> kind of like their cars' passenger compartments in minor accidents.
> 
> I guess that great mileage has a cost....
> 
> Ron                      


This reminds me of a story.

My sister-in-law was stopped at a stoplight in her Honda Accord ('83, about the  
size of the current civic) behind a Volvo.  A Suburban rearended my  
sister-in-law at about 40 mph.  My sister-in-law was unhurt, the lady in the  
Volvo got carted away in an ambulance.  I'm not saying that Honda's are always  
safer than Volvo's, but I am saying the Volvo's aren't always safer than  
Honda's.  Yes the Honda was totaled, but it did it's job, it protected my  
sister-in-law.

--
  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
  "Achilles raised his spear, took careful aim, and hurled."
  					    from the Iliad
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:49:59 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Subaru Legacy??
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <1992Dec22.144244.302@glv.uucp> jcelam%confused@glv.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.122014.2531@eye.com> paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:
>> In article <livctmINN7um@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill  
>"Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>
>> >qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>> >My wife rejected the Legacy because it has motorized seat belts.
>
>Unfortunately you get either bogus air-bags and/or feeble motorized
>belts these days. Thank congress for that.
>
Does anyone know if Subaru intends to drop the
passive-mouse-motorized-attack belts in the '94 model year?

I heard that the '94 Acura GS-R might have AWD, although only a rumor.  

Isn't it odd that Congress legislated a change that _reduce_ safety for
those who would normally wear seat belts by forcing manufacturers to put
inferior passive systems in the cars (could superior ones be found).  I
wonder if any kind of risk analysis was performed.



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:04:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.122412.28101@mips2.ma30.bull.com> K.Buck@ma30.bull.com writes:
>In article <102651@netnews.upenn.edu> tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu
>(Anthony Olejnik) writes:
>>My wife wants a car phone for Christmas.
>
>In article <1992Dec21.210929.5263@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
>sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>>whatever model you finally decide on, PLEASE make sure its a model that
>>doesn't require the use of hands to use - 
>
>i'm all in favor of that, but let's add "PLEASE make sure its a model that
>doesn't require the use of a BRAIN to use"...
>in my opinion, phone conversations risk devoting too much attention from
>the task of driving, even with hands-free operation.  i wouldn't mind
>having a car phone for emergencies and/or occasional convenience, but i
>wouldn't use it while moving.  encourage responsible use!

I am convinced that most people who make these comments have never used a
car phone.  I have a hand held that I use in the car all the time.  I have
never had any problems.  I even signel my lane changes!  Which most people
fail to do even when not talking on the phone.  There will always be people
who can't drive, but I think it is unfair to try to pin it on cell phone 
users.

Users of cell phones are no more destracted than somebody searching for
a radio station (phone: while dialing), or somebody talking to a passenger
(phone: while talking on the phone).  Neither of these activities
(radio or talking to passengers) are considered dangerous, why using
a cell phone? 

Let's not continue to propigate this myth.  There will always be poor
drivers, but don't blame it on car phone users, espically when there
are other destractions that are far worse.  This morning, on I80 through
Des Moines, I saw somebody putting on makeup.  In weeks past, I have
seen people shaving, fighting, slapping a kid, and believe it or not,
reading the news paper!  It is an every week occurence to catch people
eating or drinking (soda) while traveling at 65 MPH.

I know that there will be some who dissagree with me, but they probably
don't use a car phone,,, They probably just have heard, or have seen, ...
as related to a bad driver using a car phone.  My point is that there
will always be bad drivers, car phone or not.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: hemant@cbnewse.cb.att.com (hemant.b.bhatt)
Subject: RPM meter
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:21:49 GMT


What's the advantage of RPM meter ? Can it be 
useful in anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.autos