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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:58:09 GMT

>3) Bridgboards are too slow, limited, and expensive to make it worthwhile
>to run Windows/DOS programs, so you may count yourself lucky in that regard, if
>you so choose.  Only for Amigan who need to bring work home, etc. does a BB
>make sense.  This, for example, is the prime mover in the Apple superdrive.

Slow - The Bridgboard is capable of emulating the target operating
system at 100% speed.  That is, the 4.77 Mz 8088 bridgeboard will
run at the exact speed of a 4.77 Mz PC, and a 20Mz 386SX
bridgeboard will run at the same speed as a 20Mz 386SX clone.  If
I run Windows on a 16 Mhz 386 clone (as I do at work), then the BB
will clearly outperform the clone running DOs/Windows programs. 

Limited - In what way?  The bridgboard solution allows for complete
ISA expansion including the adding on of VGA cards.

Price - The retail price of the brideboard is a purely a marketing
decision, and has nothing to do with the technical merits of its
capabilities.  Do you have any inside information as to what the
manufacturing costs are?

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:02:43 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: I see now.  I'm afraid I do not subscribe to doing or advocacting
: 'waht's right', without any thought about other than some 'gut' feeling
: about it.  I think hurting people (convicts in this case) is terrible,
: but I think it helps other people more.
: With regard to the 'let murderers go free so that the scarce convicted
: go aren't wrongly prosecuted': I see this stuff from more of a 'desensitized,
: absolute' POV.  The ends justify the means, as it were.  So I'd 

You more-or-less believe that the needs and safety of the general
public are more important than the human rights of the convicted.

And I DO see your point of view.  I just don't agree with it.  :)

: All in al, I do value your opinion.  While we both have the same goals,
: we disagree on how to acheive them.  Correct?

Correct.  I guess that means we agree to disagree.  ;)

Greg

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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:20:13 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Aug17.191403.13185@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
=What made you "assume" that?  C= has shown they're concentrating on
=multimedia.  I doubt they'd kill a program which gives them major inroads.
=
	Please forward your proof that C= has shown a viable Multimedia solution
	on the Amiga, and I mean the full computer not CDTV. To date I've seen
	MultiMedia presentations on IBM "Ultimedia" systems, various Windows
	3.1 setups and Mac setups using integrated voice, video and CD-ROM. I
	have yet to see an Amiga 3000 with stock 2.04 do anything even remotely
	close to what the other systems can do. It can do toaster stuff and
	some animations but that's it. Toaster+anims != MultiMedia.

	Where are the programs to access the gigabytes of CD-ROM disks? The
	OS certainly doesn't have support for viewing or retrieving data
	from CD-ROM. And the drivers that do exist just access raw data.

	CDTV doesn't have the horse power for business multimedia, it's
	the only "Amiga" I've seen that can decently use basic multimedia
	components of video, audio and CD-ROM at the same time.

	The 3000T '040 ad in byte this month was sad because it showed
	how far behind the times Amiga really is. On one page you
	had the 3000T '040 for $5998.00. 5 pages later you have a DELL
	33Mhz 486 system that can do more for $2699.00. It's sad really
	because it shows just how out of touch C= is bang/buck wise in
	a mainstream publication like BYTE where EVERYONE can see...

	Reality fault, brittle Amiga Universe falling apart... Let's at
	least make REMOTELY realistic statements here eh?

		-Rob
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:15:11 GMT

In article <tony.714185930@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>Just three days ago, I read on one amiga group, c.s.a.misc I *think* a post
>by one of the AmigaVision developement people (a Cathy G., I believe) that a
>stand alone runtime player is to be included in the *next* release of
>AmigaVision.
>
>I would take that to mean it's not dead.

   If all that Commodore can manage to develop after more than two years is
a standalone player, AmigaVision might as well be dead.

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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Sim Earth (was Re: Cheer Up)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.013616.2709@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>Bzzt. It is available, and having had the opportunity to compare the Amiga
>>version to the PC edition, I would say that it is graphically superior and
>>more fully integrates itself with the native OS. Boredom is a state of
>>mind.

>Curiously, do you know how it compared to SimEarth for Windows?

The Amiga version has been written with AmigaDOS 2.0 in mind, so it has the
same underlying GUI design principle. Maxis is one of a few companies that
has utilized the high-resolution capabilities of the system and one which
I'm willing to bet will develop applications using increased palettes and
on-screen colours. Nicely done.

Mark

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:59:21 GMT

In article <Bsxpo9.Luw@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
>
> c.s.a.a has what might be fairly termed a broad range of topics, but 
> this thread is probably not appropriate.
>
>In article <3560@faatcrl.UUCP> you write:
>>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>
>>>I must point out that the Congress has much more control over
>>>what the DoD gets than the DoD itself.  Like the Osprey - the pork
>>>barrel Congress won't let it die; the DoD DOESN'T WANT the Osprey - 
>>>it wants the funds better spent.  The Congress, however, shoves it down
>>>their throat anyway.
>>
>>  Better spent?  On what, another Bradley?  Both sides have pushed for ill-
>>conceived programs, not just Congress.  
>>
>
>I have a couple of questions.

Sure.

>Are the people responsible for paying defense contractors properly
>members of the military?

No, Congress spends the money.  Congress alone spends money.  The Pentagon
tells what it needs, and waits to see what weapons program is made
in what Congressman's district.

>If so, could not the President (being Commander in Chief) simply
>ORDER them to refuse to make funds available?

No, the President can only propose spending.  The Congress ultimately
has 100% control over federal spending.  If the President balked
to much, OTHER spending allocations in the budget would be held up.
(Bush) doesn't want that.  Eventually, the President's veto might
get overturned.

>No doubt the Demopublican Congress, whose primary mission seems to
>be to control as many things as possible, is empowered to prevent
>such a thing... too bad, it would make for an interesting gambit...

That gambit has played out again and again.  Example the 1990 tax hike.
Do you think George Bush WANTED new taxes? No, of course not.  The Congress
held the entire federal budget hostage.  Bush was evenually conned into
signing on the new taxes because of Congress promising to cut spending.
Not that they kept the promises or anything.

>   Dave

I've got a week off after I quit work today and before school starts a week
from now....and the Republican Convention will air...wheeeee!! :) :) :)
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From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:38:22 GMT

>
>Anyway, it's pretty unlikely that they'd be using AA - the pinout's different
>to ECS, so they'd need a new PCB layout.  If they were doing that anyway,
>they could have put the 040 on the motherboard, instead of just leaving the
>030 off the current one and plugging in a cpu board.

	There is a problem in the above logic. Point one, can't have AA chips
set because need new PCB layout. Point two 040 must be on the motherboard
and given 040 is not a "pull out the old 030 and plug 040" We have a new PCB
layout. So given an 040 new PCB => alowed to have AA. And a final note
Why oh why would you bring out a machine a few weeks before you anounce
AA Machines that will superseed that machine. I mean it's like anouncing
the A570 CDrom drive and then replacing the A500(plus) with the A600.
(Wait a minute CBM would do that, or ....)
	George


>
>Of course, if anyone's bought one of these suckers, we could just ask them to
>take a peek inside...  But who'd buy one at that price?
>
>
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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Flight Sims??
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:36:48 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <15156@suns8.crosfield.co.uk> imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor) writes:
>Can anybody recommend a good flight sim for the ST? 
>...
>I am looking for something with an accent on realism, like Falcon, but with
>decent graphics, like F-29 or Thunderhawk. Can anybody give me recommendations?
>In particular, I am interested in..
>
>Knights of the Sky

From MicroProse, the same people who are guilty of F-19 Stealth Fighter -
full complaints list available from me on request.  The main problem I
found here is that I can't do an Immelmann turn, even in training mode
using the Fokker Eindecker, the plane in which that manoeuvre was invented.

>F-15 Strike Eagle II

From the same people that did F-19.  

Summary of F-19 - great graphics, not realistic, not much of a game.

>Birds of Prey (is this out yet?)

Will it be out for the Atari ST?

>Battle of Britain

Reasonable graphics (it uses bitmaps for the aircraft, meaning more detailed
aircraft but less detailed movement); reasonable realism (you can execute all
the manoeuvres you want, if the aircraft you're using it capable of it - do
not try to do a loop in a He 111); great game (single mission, campaign game,
build your own mission); poor opposition (you can dogfight a Spitfire while
flying a Stuka, and in some of the missions from the Mission Disk, you have
to).  Overall, one of the few games I thought was worth the price, especially
as the manual is almost worth the price by itself.  And it is copyable, and
can be installed on a hard disc - the protection is a code-wheel.

You might also like Armour-Geddon, which is not realistic in that it does
not simulate real aircraft, but is realistic in that it simulates flight
very well, even though certain things (retracting undercariage and flaps)
are missing.  You also get to play with a helicopter and some ground
vehicles.  The game is tough but fun (for me, anyway).  Another one that
I did not regret paying for.

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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= Financial Results
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) says:

>In article <torrie.714291031@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>>  I guess MB hasn't read the news today; otherwise he'd be posting.
>>
>>  Just to summarise, Commodore's stock dropped around 25% today
>>to $6.785 after reporting a loss of $21.9 million for the 
>>4th quarter of 92.  Revenues were $140.7 million for the quarter, 
>>and $911 million for the year (down from $1.05 billion in 1991).
>	I just read it myself, and that is why I called the USENET this
>early. Well, I am sure that their stock may be headed upwards if CBM also
>announces new machines next month. Then they may even become one of the top
>20 gainers, as they have been a few times in recent months.
>

The only reason Commodore's stock shot up in past months is because
there were rumors that Nintendo was planning on buying out the company.

I guess it ALL depends on Commodore's new computers.

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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:49:16 GMT

In <1992Aug18.054400.21529@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:

>Just to remember Mike, these were not my postings, but saved articles from the
>past.

I must apologize if my posting indicated that you wrote the comparisons.
This started when someone cited from a mag that a 486 was faster in FP
than an 040 which is (in my experience) not true.

When you look at your saved articles you will find that they contradict
to my experience and even contradict each other.

>I understand Mike (sorry its Michael isn't it.). Well Michael, I think I did
>mention that alot of these benches don't really matter.

Indeed. What matters is the perfomance of your system for your specific
task.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein were sent to me telepathically
              by Elvis from Mars.
Reply-To: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Queens Univ., Kingston, Ontario, Can.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:12:36 GMT

Is there an e-mail address where we can reach Pournelle?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:05:59 GMT

In article <mykes.0cnt@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.180205.1@acad2.alaska.edu> astlc@acad2.alaska.edu (Tom Claydon) writes:
>>
>>  Oh brother. The old addage "computer software would be cheaper if there
>> were no software pirates" is pure bunk. Take a look at the home video game
>> market. There is NO piracy on these systems, yet $40 to $50 (or more)
>> cartridges are not uncommon.
>
>What do you think costs more, ROM or floppy disks?  I KNOW ROM costs a
>LOT more.  The $$$ markup on carts sold is far less than for floppy
>games.  Without piracy, the $$$ markup on floppy based products will
>be lowered.

Well good grief, then why does Chessmaster for SNES cost $65?! And
less than that for and undoubtedly better featured PC Chesmaster3000 or
Chessmaster 300 for Windows??

>> --
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>> INTERNET: astlc@acad2.alaska.edu
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From: spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:17:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Aug19.081758.1844
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <34411@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> 
>>Hmmm.  I'm now wondering where the Amiga can go from here.  If doubling
>>the clockspeed doesn't produce results, what changes could be made
>>in the future to improve performance?  
> 
> There are plenty of things that can improve Amiga chip bus speed.  We have more
> than enough architectural ideas floating around to take care of most of the
> problems, eventually.  But obviously, any drastic changes take a long time and
> risk low-level compatibility, so they have to be done very carefully.
> 

Dave , why does Commodore have to maintain compatability in the Amiga line?
Apple makes major changes that break a lot of software all the time. Why
cant Commodore do the same? I'm tired of Commodore crippling the Amiga's
future by trying to stay compatible with the 7mhz 68000 crowd. We want memory
protection and resource tracking.

                               Scott Corley

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lawnmowers VS Go-Carts Re: 21 Rules for c.s.a.a postings
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:10:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
: >The only thing I can think of to do it faster
: 
: Oops, you forgot CART/Indycars; probably significantly quicker
: and faster than F1 cars because F1 banned turbos.

Incorrect - F1 cars accelerate faster and declerate faster, as well as
they can take corners faster than Indycars. And why you may ask -
because: 1. both Indy and F1 engines give similar performance (the
Turbo F1 engines gave upto something like 1200 bhp...), 2. F1 cars are
a lot lighter and 3. the top F1-teams spend a heck of a lot more money
(and therefor have active suspensions, semi automatic gear boxes etc).
	The top speed is greater on Indys because of the differences
in Indy and F1 tracs - F1's don't run on ovals.

: And probably IMSA GTP's are quicker.

Topspeedwise it's probably - F1's are not build to have great top
speed but to be great racing cars.

: Still, I think you could argue that an F1 race car is just an
: incredibly complex go-cart (4 wheels, V10 lawnmower engine,

Hmm.. F1's can have upto 12 cylinders.

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:31:38 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Aug13.143604.29158@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
 >addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
 >>>
 >>>Binary compatibility with DOS and Windows executables.
 >>>
 >>Some might consider this to be a disadvantage. :-)
 >
 >Nevertheless, it's a feature that is missing from AmigaDOS.

So I feel free to imitate your attitude and state that it's a great
failure and missing feature of OS/2 that it cannot run AmigaOS applications.

This is ridiculous, isn't it?

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