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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Paula Abdul in the Limelight
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:07:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <12458@inews.intel.com> ggarcia@mipos2.UUCP (Gilbert Garcia) writes:
>
>I'm still aching over the dismal performance of her last one.  Don't get
>me wrong, I really like it!  But the last 2 songs did so poorly on the 
>charts.. well, I still don't understand why 'Vibeology' did not make 

Because by the time the last two singles were released, her album was
triple platinum. Almost anyone who cared to buy her music had her album
and many saw no point in buying those singles.

>at least the top 10!  I've seen this CD 5 of this song in a record store
>with 5 mixes on it (it has to be an import!).  Has anyone heard it?

I have not even seen this one.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.gdead,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.newage
From: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro)
Subject: Moody Blues Mailing List?
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Summary: does one exist?
Organization: Digitopolitan Embassy to the US
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:43:17 GMT

Hello.
A quick question and an offer....

The Question: Is there a Moody Blues mailing list out there?  Please
              email.

The Offer: If there isn't I am willing to administer a [*un*moderated]
           Moody Blues mailing list (which could ultimately go moderated
           if I or some volunteer have the time and the list wants to
           switch).  If you are interested in joing such a list, please
           email (and enclose a suggested name for the list) and I'll
           get to work.

Looking forward to hearing from you either way...


--
Rich Carreiro                                    "My country, right or wrong,"
ARPA: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu                                is like
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: A Question of Copyrights
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:37:16 GMT

I hope no one objects to my posting this query here; there doesn't
appear to be a rec.music.legal at my site. ;-)

A hypothetical question for you:

Suppose a person (let's call her "the developer") was writing a computer
game. Those of you who have played computer/video games know that they
often have musical soundtracks playing in the background while the game
is going on (for example, the Atari 800 version of the game "Frogger"
plays "Camptown Races"). The developer would like to add a few songs
to the game she is writing. The developer is not a musician, thus she
doesn't feel competent to actually compose some original music; instead,
she would need to use something written by someone else. She is aware
of copyright laws (although not necessarily well versed in them),
and would not intentionally use a song without permission from the
copyright holder.

She chose some songs which, on the surface, seemed to be fairly safe.
They are some old European folk songs, dating variously from the 17th, 18th,
19th and early 20th centuries. Since many of these songs were written
before copyrights even existed, and others have outlived their original
authors, she figured that they would be safe to use from a legal
standpoint. Since the songbook has the music as well as the words, she can
make use of score editing software to translate the sheet music into a
format (MIDI) which the computer can understand and play.

She knew about these particular songs because there is a folk group who
performed and recorded them back in the 1960s. She managed to find a
songbook containing many of the songs performed by this group, complete
with lyrics and music. To her surprise, however, she found that the
music in the songbook bears a copyright notice attributing copyright
ownership to some music publishing company.

What's going on here? Can this publisher really hold a copyright to songs
written in 1798 by people totally unrelated to the performers who later
recorded the song? It seems to me as though this would be equivalent to my
making a recording of Mayan funeral chants and having Warner Brothers
Records claim the copyright. What is this copyright really saying? Are they
merely copyrighting their *performance* of the song, or perhaps their
particular *arrangement*, as opposed to the song itself? If it makes any
difference, the songbook was published in 1964, and all members of the group
are still alive and kicking (although the group itself has apparently broken
up). Can the developer legally use these songs (or portions thereof) in her
computer game, or would this in fact violate some copyright? If indeed they
are copyrighted, from whom does she need to seek permission to use these
songs in her game? The music publishing company? The group who recorded
the songs?

My sincere thanks for your assistance. I'll gladly summarize responses
if there is interest.

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: pberck@kub.nl (Peter Berck)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 11:20:40 GMT
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands
Reply-To: pberck@kub.nl

In 'Here comes trouble' on the album 'Blind' by The Icicle Works:

'rain fell from the ceiling to a Robert Johnson tune'

-peter

 
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From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Organization: HICAM/OSD
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:40:56 GMT

OK...

Peter, Paul, 'n Mary mentioned Donovan, the Beatles, and the Mamas and Papas
in "I Dig Rock And Roll Music".

The Barbarians mentioned the Rolling Stones in "Are You a Boy or Are You a
Girl", and Sonny Bono in "What The New Breed Say".

The Clash mention Peter Green and Wayne Kramer (no last names, though) in
"Jail Guitar Doors".

The Righteous Brothers mentioned lotsa dead people in "Rock and Roll Heaven".

Stephen Bishop mentioned Frank Sinatra in "On and On".

Mott the Hoople mentioned the Beatles, Stones, and T. Rex in "All The Young
Dudes".

The Byrds' "Eight Miles High" (intentionally) mentions the Small Faces.

The Band's "Up On Cripple Creek" mentions Spike Jones.

The Beach Boys' "Surfer's Rule" ends with a high falsetto scream from Brian
Wilson, followed by "Four Seasons, you better believe it!"


Now how about songs that mention other songs by title?  The Orlons' "Mashed
Potato Time" mentions "The Lion Sleeps Tonight", "Please Mr. Postman", and
"Dear Lady Twist", while Sam Cooke's "Having A Party" mentions "Soul Twist"
and "I Know"...

AWR
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
From: naunheim@ccrs.emr.ca (J Naunheimer)
Subject: Paul Weller in T.O.
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:40:25 GMT

Paul Weller is playing in Toronto tonight at the Concert Hall.  By the
most unfortunate twist of fate, I will be unable to attend.  Previous
commitments make it so I'll have to wait another 10 bloody <expletive>
years before Paul Weller (a.k.a. The Jam, The Style Council, The Paul
Weller Movement) will come to Canada.

All I ask is that anyone attending the concert in the "Big Smoke" act
as my eyes and ears, and report to all us deprived individuals on 
the tonight's event.  I realize a concert T-shirt would be too much to
ask for, so I won't (offically)... but I am willing to pay.

Thanx a heap and have a great time!
-- 
John Naunheimer
naunheimer@ccrs.emr.ca
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From: cs89mmh@brunel.ac.uk (Mark Humphreys)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rap,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Ministry Samples
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:30:44 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

55beimle@sol.cs.wmich.edu (John Beimler) writes:
: 
: I was wondering if anyone knew where some of the ministy samples came from
: especially on Twitch.  
:   On the same note most of the samples on NWO are from Full Metal Jacket,
: including the guitar sample....
: 
: John Beimler
: 55beimle@cs.wmich.edu

I was watching a film on Sunday night on BBC-2 (in the UK), and kept 
thinking that the leading character had a very familiar voice. After
a while I realised that most of the samples in JBMHR were taken from
this film, including the immortal "Nobody with a good car needs to worry
about nothin'", and "Where you came from ......, etc" . The name of this 
film escapes me just now (wow, what a memory ehh!), but it had Harry
Dean Stanton in it. 

-- 
m.humphreys - cs89mmh@brunel.ac.uk

"THE FAMILY CAt make my life so beautiful"
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative
From: blindsay@bcarh773.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:19:36 GMT

Randy Newman had a song about ELO. (Can't remember the title, just some fragments
of the song.) So anyone know the story on this? Why would he right a song about
ELO in the first place? I believe it was more a sarcastic put down than a homage.        

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial
From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: John Oswald's plunderphonic
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:12:20 GMT

Hi,
after searching for stuff from John Oswald i found something on the canadian
Musikworks tape #47. There should be a CD from which are the 9 tracks on this
tape but my dealer told me that this CD is not available anymore (some hassle
with the Michael Jackson cover/samples). Also there should be a new CD in
production now. Those CD's are not for resale, but only for copying and 
lending ;-) so my dealer is not that interested in aquiring such items. 
How do you get such things? Is there a discography or list of things 
Oswald did?

Adrian
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                                         "Christianity Is Stupid" -Negativland
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: rob@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Rob Chauncey)
Subject: Re: Al Gore & Tipper (was Re: Where's Frank Zappa?
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<1992Jul22.195938.4553@nntp.uoregon.edu>
	<1992Jul22.220049.26431@sequent.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:30:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Well, ladies and gents, here's my two cents.
	I will vote for Clinton in November, for several reasons.  I
am impressed with how he fought his way out of the Gennifer Flowers
garbage.  I liked his acceptance speech.  I like the idea of Cuomo on
the supreme court, tho' it will never happen (he doesn't want the
press digging thru files for dirt on him).  I don't mind Al Gore. 
And it is my duty to vote, since people in other countries are dying
to have that right, not dying to have a candidate who everyone likes.
	My complaint with Tipper is this:  I think that children have
a right to innocence for at least some amount of time.  Exposure to
explicit lyrics can be, but not necessarily is, a way out of that
innocence.  The problem is, Tipper used her husband's connections,
along with other wives, to push her bullshit through fast.  If there
had been a group of average concerned mothers who made this an issue,
and had to fight congress on this, and basically push it in, I might
respect it a little more.
	I also don't like this family values business.  Why is it an
issue whether the government has values or not?  Who are they to say
they have more values than I?  With the way it's being defined, it
harkens back to McCarthy.  Yeech.

	I wish FZ would read/append to this board.  I would like to
hear his views on all this shit.


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From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:37:31 GMT

Another one I just thought of... ABC had a song back in '87 or so called 'When
Smokey Sings.' The whole song was about Smokey Robinson.
-Daniel
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From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Prices: Noteworthy vs. Tower
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 04:47:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <4FDcoB1w164w@admiral.uucp> davot@admiral.uucp (David ottenstein) writes:

>Noteworthy has great prices.  But, if it ain't major label, Noteworthy 
>doesn't carry it.  Thus, where to turn?  Anyone care to offer a 
>comparison between Noteworthy and Tower?

ALWAYS try to check Noteworthy first; I have never seen a case where
Tower undersold Noteworthy.  Case in point - I saw a CD for $12.05
from Noteworthy, and Tower in Boston had it for $11.99 when I was up
there, but I had to pay tax on top of that.  Shipping for me starts
at $0.40/ea because I always batch to about 10 per shipment (being
ravenous helps :-), so it's pretty much a given that they'll be the
best price you'll find.  In fact, the only place I ever knew where I
could land stuff for fewer real dollars was A&B Sound in Vancouver.

If Noteworthy doesn't have it, Tower is great if it's local or if
you're near one when convenient.  The prices are almost always
going to be $1-$2 higher than Noteworthy, but you get instant
gratification :-)  I doubt I'd mail order from them; their prices
for shipping are high.  However, it might happen.  Prices in Dallas
are typically $1-$3 higher than Tower, so you can imagine how sick
Noteworthy makes them look.  I've often thought I could run a
profitable store buying from Noteworthy in small batches and still
undercutting the mall stores most of the time.  Tower can come to
Dallas anytime :-)

My big problem is "what about the stuff Tower doesn't sell, either?"
Some Tower stores do have great selection, but some don't, and the
grass gets a little thin after you've hit them and failed.  I guess
so far I do most of that by being diligent when I go to a new town,
hitting all the record stores.  I'll have to look into the CD
Connection again, after Larry's earlier note.  Bose is a lose, though;
I'm not sure I'd advise anyone to go get one of those catalogs, as
their prices would only look good in rural Montana.

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
Heaven knows / No frontiers
And I've seen heaven in your eyes			- Jimmy McCarthy
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Takahashi is coming out/Eno EP....
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:17:32 GMT

In <1631@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) writes:
>The Eno EP's on the plate right now. "Fractal Zoom" with two remixes,
>neither credited to any major mixpersons.

If you read the liner notes carefully (on the import anyway), "Naive Mix 1"
is by MOBY.  Definitely a Major Mixperson in the realm of TechnoDance
music.  He's a very hot property on the club circuit.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                     Nobody looks good with brown lipstick
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups 
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:13:55 GMT

  The Jazz Butcher had a song a while back that had the line "Love & Rockets 
are our friend ... Kevin, David, and Daniel are our friends...." I don't
know for sure, but I would guess that this song was recorded when David J of
Love and Rockets was performing as part of the Jazz Butcher.
-Daniel
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From: rperkins@NeoSoft.com (Rodney Perkins)
Subject: Re: John Oswald's plunderphonic
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.131220.5087@einoed.in-berlin.de>, alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne) writes:
> Hi,
> after searching for stuff from John Oswald i found something on the canadian
> Musikworks tape #47. There should be a CD from which are the 9 tracks on this
> tape but my dealer told me that this CD is not available anymore (some hassle
> with the Michael Jackson cover/samples). Also there should be a new CD in
> production now. Those CD's are not for resale, but only for copying and 
> lending ;-) so my dealer is not that interested in aquiring such items. 
> How do you get such things? Is there a discography or list of things 
> Oswald did?
 
	Heres the info on John Oswald's stuff. The Plunderphonics CD isn't
available at all. It was only sent out to specific people by Oswald
himself. All other copies were destroyed because of all of that silly
legal stuff. On the Death of Vinyl comp, which includes an Oswald track,
it says that if one sends a blank tape to the Iowa group The Tape Beatles,
they'll dub it for you. Oswald has tracks on the Warner Bros. 50th
Anniversary set caled _Rubiyat_. His latest CD is called _Discosphere_
and his pretty bizzare. Its readily available from what I know.
-- 
"Dirt your purity" - John Woo, A Better Tommorrow
Rodney Perkins (Rperkins@Sugar.Neosoft.com)
From: gdavis@the-1st-tee.East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Davis - SunExpress Telemarketing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: test
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:24:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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From: holck@ruc.dk (Jesper Holck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: "My baby don't care ..." - who is the (female) singer?
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:14:24 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter, Danmark

Recently I have heard a couple of times on the radio a song that goes
something like:

My baby don't care for shows,
My baby don't care for clothes,
My baby just cares for me ...

It is a lady singing, and, as far a I remember, only backed up by
a very simple but effective walking bass and some drums. It is a
fairly slow song with a "swing" rhythm.

Any help appreciated,

Jesper

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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.country.western,rec.music.folk
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: David Lindley's "The Johnson Boys"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:34:19 GMT

shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.031545.2649@portal.vpharm.com> dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:
>>
>>Of particular note is a great original banjo tune by David Lindley,
>>"The Johnson Boys"....

>'Scuse me....  that one dates back to the civil war, assuming it's the
>same as the fiddle tune by the same name.  Some of the words are:

>	Johnson boys were boys of honor
>	They knew how to court the maids
>	They knew how to hug and kiss 'em
>	Hop up pretty girls, don't be afraid...

>	....
I guess it's a real folk song.  The version I remember has a
totally different tone, as exemplified by the last verse:

The Johnson Boys will never get married
They'll live single all their life
They're too scared to pop the question
There ain't no woman that'll be their wife

And one earlier verse I remember:

The Johnson boys eat peas with honey
They have done it all their life
Makes the peas taste mighty funny
But it keeps them on the knife
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:09:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.151549.21797@news.iastate.edu> tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <Brto1z.L7G@acsu.buffalo.edu>, harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden) writes:
>>The Cult's "Messing Up The Blues"?
>
>   What album is this on?  Is it on their earlier Southern Death Cult/Death
>Cult stuff?
	it's one of the b-sides to Fire Woman and like most of ian's psuedo-
blues things, kinda boring.....

-- 
corey w nelson		| ' some women want to come clean, some just want
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of Mercy FAQ, DISCOG	|
and several others...	|
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:38:49 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <6342@sniff.wfo.dec.com> pic@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Graphics Archive Group) writes:
>....... I hope Neil Young will remember - pooh pooh pooh
					   boo  boo  boo
>A southern man doesn't need him around anyhow
>
>
>ALABAMA

  Can't help it; I'm a Skynyrd fanatic :-)

  Doug
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From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Subject: Re: Help: Name this song
Organization: HICAM/OSD
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:17:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.072417.32559@infoserver.th-darmstadt.de> schwerdt@oc1.oc.chemie.th-darmstadt.de (Ralf Schwerdtfeger) writes:
>Could someone help me please naming this song.
>
>I think it's about one year old and I can remember by now the refrain:
> 
>Oh mercy mercy me
>things aren't as they used to be

Well, it's actually about TWENTY-one years old, although I understand somebody
remade it fairly recently... it's called "Mercy Mercy Me" and was originally
done by the late Marvin Gaye on his classic "What's Going On" album.

AWR
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