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From: niepornt@dial.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: The first pick -- David Nied
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: STUPID
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:49:21 GMT

In article <jhopkins.177.722029634@cbacc.cba.uga.edu> jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins) writes:

>It is 2:30 pm in the Eastern time zone, and the Colorado Rockies just
>took David Nied in the expansion draft from the Atlanta Braves.  What
>this means is this:  JOHN SCHUERHOLTZ IS TOO FUCKING STUPID TO LIVE!!!!

>Man, am I ever steamed!!  A few weeks ago, I drew up my protected
>list for the Braves.  It was as follows:

>Glavine >Smoltz >Avery >Wohlers
>Stanton >Nied >Lopez >Klesko
>Lemke >Belliard >Pendleton >Gant
>Nieves >Justice
>P. Smith or Mercker  (I originally had Chipper Jones here, but he
>                      didn't have to be protected, so take your pick
>                      for this last spot.)

>As we all know now, the Braves elected to cover the following folks:

>Glavine >Smoltz >Avery >Wohlers
>Stanton >Lopez >Klesko >Hunter
>Blauser >Pendleton >Gant >Sanders
>Nixon >Nieves >Justice

>Five outfielder on this list!  STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!!  This has
>really steamed my clams!!  I hope David Nied wins Rookie of the Year
>and the fucking Cy Young Award.  It would serve the Braves right!!

Not that I want to defend the Braves much, because I don't, because I
think anyone who would protect Otis Nixon for any reason whatsoever
should be kicked in the head, but I don't think you have any business
complaining.

Protecting Lemke and Belliard?  Especially Belliard?

Why the *^&% would you protect a 31 year old shortstop who can't hit
when you have one good shortstop now -- Blauser -- and another one just
a year or so away -- Jones, of course?

And Lemke, who can't hit either?

Protecting five outfielders isn't a bad idea -- you can *trade* one of
them if you have to.  Protecting *bad* players is a bad idea.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:15:18 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

November 20
Kennesaw Mountain Landis, 1866 (HOF)
Clark "Old Fox" Griffith, 1869 (HOF)
Rick Monday, 1945
Jay Johnstone, 1945
Morrie "Snooker" Arnovich, 1910
Andy Coakley, 1882
Leon Cadore, 1891
Larry Benton, 1897

November 21
Stan "The Man" Musial, 1920
Fred Lindstrom, 1905 (HOF)
Andy High, 1897
Ken Griffey, Jr. 1969
Dick Schofield, 1962
Mark Eichhorn, 1960
Tom McCraw, 1941
Bill Almon, 1952
Rick Peters, 1955
Paul Richards, 1908
Mike Mason, 1958
Warren Hacker, 1924
Scott Terry, 1959

November 22
Greg "Bull" Luzinski, 1950
Lew Burdette, 1926
Lyman Bostock, 1950
Rowdy Dick Bartell, 1907
Wade Blasingame, 1943
Harry Rice, 1901
Wayne Tolleson, 1955
Lee Guetterman, 1958

--Steve

-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * "The boys with cars want motorcycles
 Steve Smith                      *  and the boys with motorcycles want
 University of Washington HR-20   *  cars!"
 Seattle, WA 98195                *    --D. Wiggin-"Philosophy of the World"
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:41:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <56906@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <BxL2In.7Kr@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>>In <1992Nov11.182624.7303@leland.Stanford.EDU> brian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian McDonald) writes:
>>
>>but I really hate Eck. The fact that he is an ex-alcoholic is irrelevant to
>
>Its not only a cheap shot, its not accurate.
>
>As anybody who knows(ie. an alcoholic or someone who knows an alcoholic)
>and they will tell you there is no such thing as an "ex alcoholic". Once
>an alcoholic always an alcoholic, if you start drinking again, you are
>right back where you left off(one of my best friends is in AA and this
>is one of the first things they teach you).

I hate to burst your bubble, but just because AA says it, that don't mean 
it's so.  The problem with this definition is that when someone was an 
alcoholic and now is not (even though they may still drink) AA claims 
that they really were not an alcoholic in the first place.  Sounds like 
circular reasoning to me.

Ted (Yes, my father is an alcoholic) Krueger,

ZZ

-- 
            

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
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During the second round of the expansion draft, the Rockies choose Vinny
Castilla and this is stupid.

At that point in time, there were one of the four following people:
Pete Smith, Kent Mercker, Tony Tarasco, and Donnie Elliot.  

There is no way on earth that Castilla is a better prospect than ALL four of
the above.

A blow a blow a blow a blow.

Oz
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Steve Howe
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:24:02 GMT
 <92323.121833RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <1992Nov19.103734.9761@netcom.com>

well, gee, maybe *parents* should try to be role models for their
children instead of pushing the job off on some other guy, whose
only qualification is that he can throw a little ball at 95 mph.

as for pete rose, this is one of the stupidest arguments i've ever
seen (yet a lot of people make it).  they say, "pete rose wasn't
given a second chance, why should steve howe be given an eighth?"
duh.  the question should be, "steve howe's been given eight chances,
why shouldn't pete rose be given a second?"

bob vesterman.
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Don Elliot's 1992 stats
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:34:30 GMT

In article <of42H5q00iV2Q4VYQt@andrew.cmu.edu> Anuj Gupta <ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>He was traded
>for Ben Rivera, who developed into one of the top up and coming pitchers
>in the NL the last two months of the season.  He went seven and two with
>an ERA well under three and he throws heat !!!!  And you know things are
>good when a guy like this is your fifth starter.

Yeah, the Phillies *would* have a good team if Rivera were their
fifth-best starter.  However right now, he looks like their #2
starter, with #3 being a *long* way behind.  Mulholland?  DeLeon?
These guys are not staff aces.

A rotation of Schilling, Rivera, Greene, Abbott, and Mulholland might
not be bad.  Better than the trash they rolled out there this year.
(Assuming Greene recovers from whatever ailed him.)  But I doubt the
offense will be quite as good.  Too many players had career years for
them to really hope for a repeat.  (Especially Daulton, who has never
even come *close* to those numbers before.)

-Valentine
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Comments on Round 1 of the Expansion Draft
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:04:15 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I was wondering......

Why on earth didn't the Angels protect Bryan Harvey?  Maybe Mr. Lu will have
a comment on this.

I think the pick of Alex Cole looks good for the Rockies.  Speed in center
field is important, given that Mile High Stadium and Coors Field are large,
and that the ball carries well in Denver's altitude.  I hope that Cole can
develop into the outstanding leadoff hitter that he has the potential to
become.


Jason Lee

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jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Post Draft Depression
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:17:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.161756.10211
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I wake up on the morning after the expansion draft, 
and what do I find?  The Mariners still have Mike Schooler.

DAMN!  DAMN!  DAMN!

-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |
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Subject: Expansion Draft Update -- Round 2 Coverage
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:01:21 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

                          MLB Expansion Draft
                              Live Update
                           as of 2:54 pm PST
                           as of 5:54 pm EST

                                ROUND 1
    Colorado Rockies (1st pick)              Florida Marlins
 1) David Nied, RHP, Atlanta              1) Nigel Wilson, OF, Toronto
 2) Charlie Hayes, 3B, New York (A)       2) Jose Martinez, RHP, New York (N)
 3) Darren Holmes, RHP, Milwaukee         3) Bret Barberie, 2B, Montreal
 4) Jerald Clark, OF, San Diego           4) Trevor Hoffman, RHP, Cincinnati
 5) Kevin Reimer, OF, Texas               5) Pat Rapp, RHP, San Francisco
 6) Eric Young, 2B, Los Angeles           6) Greg Hibbard, LHP, Chicago (A)
 7) Jody Reed, 2B, Boston                 7) Chuck Carr, OF, St. Louis
 8) Scott Aldred, LHP, Detroit            8) Darrell Whitmore, OF, Cleveland
 9) Alex Cole, OF, Pittsburgh             9) Eric Helfand, C, Oakland
10) Joe Girardi, C, Chicago (N)          10) Bryan Harvey, RHP, California
11) Willie Blair, RHP, Houston           11) Jeff Conine, 1B, Kansas City
12) Jay Owens, C, Minnesota              12) Kip Yaughn, RHP, Baltimore
13) Andy Ashby, RHP, Philadelphia        13) Jesus Tavarez, OF, Seattle


                                ROUND 2
    Colorado Rockies                         Florida Marlins (1st pick) 
 1) Freddy Benavides, SS, Cincinnati      1) Carl Everett, OF, New York (A)
 2) Roberto Mejia, 2B, Los Angeles        2) David Weathers, RHP, Toronto
 3) Doug Bochtler, RHP, Montreal          3) John Johnstone, RHP, New York (N)
 4) Lance Painter, LHP, San Diego         4) Ramon D. Martinez, SS, Pittsburgh
 5) Butch Henry, LHP, Houston             5) Steve Decker, C, San Francisco
 6) Ryan Hawblitzel, RHP, Chicago (N)     6) Cris Carpenter, RHP, St. Louis
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jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:09:38 GMT

This should tell you how sad it was to grow up in the early 70's with the
Texas Rangers as your hometown team:

	When I first played organized baseball as a child, on the day the
jerseys were being passed out, I pushed my way to the front of the line,
and told the coach that I HAD to have #12.  The coach asked me why I was 
so determined to get #12.  I replied :

	"Because that's what number Juan Beniquez wears!"



GT
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From: dmeister@mansci1.UWaterloo.ca (Darren Meister)
Subject: Re: More on the "true rumor"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:52:47 GMT

In article <17NOV199210481843@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> ecaxron@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
>That unnamed Cleveland newspaper reports today that it was the Toronto Sun
>publishing the report of the "true rumor," and that the principals involved
>were Alomar to Toronto for Borders and pitching prospect Marcus Moore.
>
>Tribe director of baseball ops Dan O'Dowd called the report in the Sun
>"pure fiction."
>
>But if a Jays fan could post a scouting report on Moore, "just in case,"
>I'd be obliged ;-).
>
Well, you'll have to ask either a Rockies or Marlins fan (not sure which
one) because he's gone. Briefly, from ESPN, wild with 100 mph fastball.
Yeah, I want to face him.

-- 
Darren Meister                                    dmeister@mansci1.waterloo.edu
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From: beckerjw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Becker)
Subject: Re: Whats the stupidest rule in baseball?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:57:59 GMT

In article <TOM.92Nov23144038@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com> tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:
>While waiting for the season to start, here's a nice time wasting topic for
>discussion:
>
>   What is the stupidest rule or procedure in baseball?
>
>The best I can come up with is the balk rule which says a balk occurs when
***** Footbal Stuff Deleted *****

I think the stupidest rule in basball is the DH rule.  It's just an excuse
so the American league can score more runs.  Besides, it just prolongs the
retirement of some old, washed up, ex-slugger.  It also takes away from
the strategy of the game.  The American League managers can make up their
lineups and the vegetate for the rest of the game.  Any idiot can make
a pitching change.  

-- 
John Becker                      | "A flute with no holes is not a flute.
(beckerjw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)  |  And a donut with no holes is a danish."
                                 |       
                                 |      -Chevy Chase in Caddyshack
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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: White leadoff; Carter mvp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:25:23 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I wonder if there is a high correlation between people
who think that White is a good lead-off hitter and that
Carter was the Jays' mvp last year.  You could emale me
answers to 2 questions, (1) Is Devon White a good leadoff
hitter (yes or no; no qualifiers), and (2) Was Joe Carter
the Jays' mvp in 1992 (yes or no).  I'll post results.
[Why am I getting myself into this?  A guess postseason
baseball withdrawl.]
-- 
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Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Predictions '93
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.214051.12082@ncsu.edu> gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN) writes:

>Although they're not loaded with offensive talent, Hayes, Galarraga, Cole,
>Clark are all adequate.  Looking at the Giants, after W. Clark (who isn't
>what he used to be) and M Williams (who still has to prove himself), they
>really have nothing.  At least the Rockies have one good pitcher.

Hayes, Galarraga, and Clark are definitely *not* adequate, and neither is
Benavides.  The "nothing" that the Giants have include Robby Thompson (one of
the better offensive 2Bs in the league) and Willie McGee (a mediocre
outfielder, but not a miserable one).  (This past season, Williams was the one
who was more in the "nothing.")  Galarraga has been, for the past two seasons,
the worst offensive 1B in the majors, period.  Benavides is likely to be one
of the worst offensive SS', and Clark is way below average as well.  Hayes is
the only one who has potential to be decent, and that potential is not very
likely to happen.

>Not next year, they really have no one.  But they do look stronger down
>the road.

I disagree.  Their offense already looks better than the Rockies, and their
pitching staff is definitely better.  Of their offensive players, Jeff Conine,
Bret Barberie, Monty Fariss, and possibly Gary Scott all have the potential
to be better than average, particularly Barberie and Fariss.  Junior Felix
and Steve Decker are less likely to be, but they are possible.  The only
possible players on the Rockies that I see as having good chances of being
above average offensively are Eric Wedge and Dante Bichette, and Bichette's
chances aren't that good.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Maduux gone, Cubs alive?
Keywords: Cubs, Maddux
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:39:45 GMT

In article <wstuartj.722533825@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu> wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:
>arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>>Personally, I think the Cubs are only a few players from having a darn good
>>team. 
>
>...bunches deleted...
>
>>I picture a lineup of:
>>______
>>Grace 1B
>>Sandberg 2B
>>_______
>>_______
>>Sosa CF
>>Duunston SS
>>Sanchez 3B
>>Pitcher
>
>WOW!  Those are some big holes! I guess you're saying that all the Cubs need
>to be a good team is a lead off hitter, a # four and # five hitter....Isn't
>that what every team needs?
>--

You're right. And with Rick Wilkins, who I mistakenly forgot, it makes things
a bit more complicated. It also makes me adjust my lineup.

______
Sanchez 3B
Grace 1B
Sandberg 2B
______
Sosa CF
Dunston SS
Wilkins C
Pitcher

So that leaves a leadoff man and a 5th guy to replace Dawson. Ok, the lineup
is mediocre. But if they can land Smiley, I'd like their starting pitching.
Also, despite their dismal season in the bullpen last year, I am optimistic.

I think the Cubs will fill the Dawson hole if not with Dawson himself and
probably struggle in the lead-off spot as usual. Still, my early read is 
they'll be competitive.

--Les
be competitive.

>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>%%  Wesley Stuart Jones         jonesw@hasbro.wes.mot.com               %%
>%%                              wstuartj@ecn.purdue.edu                 %%
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


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From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)
Subject: Re: Tigers in 93? (Was: Re: Brewers in 93?)
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.234823.24198@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.144224.4578@cs.wayne.edu> dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:
>>They will not "suddenly stop producing runs", but since most of their
>>regulars are over 29, they will probably decline considerably.  Especially
>>if Whitaker isn't re-signed.
>>
>
>I don't see how you can justify that statement. They scored a lot of runs
>last year. Are you telling me that in 6 months, they suddenly are going to
>appear with canes. The fact is that with most players, declines in
>production are steady. They will still have one of the best offenses in the
>league, next year.

Look at the guys who carried the Tigers offensively this year.  Phillips
is 33.  Whitaker is 35, and may not even be back.  Fielder is 28, and
has been decling rapidly each year.  Tettleton is 32, as is Rob Deer.
Fryman, at 24, is the only guy who doesn't figure to decline.  Adding
all of that up, and I'd say that the Tigers will have to be extremely
lucky to score as many runs this yar as they did last.

Your point about 6 months is ridiculous.  I could just as welll argue
that the Tigers will be 1 1/2 years older next year (April 92 - October
93).


>>>>Cecil Fielder?  Can he decline *again*?  He's not much above average at
>>>>this point.  And their outfield isn't anything special.
>>>
>>>--> Yeah. Maybe he'll only get 120 RBIs next year.
>>
>>Yeah, and eat up 500 outs.  
>
>Rickey Henderson, in his MVP season, ate up 457 outs. Anyone who can drive
>in 120 runs and hit 40 HRs could play on my team.

I'm not saying that Fielder shouldn't start, but I don't think he's the
superstar that everyone makes him out to be.  He's excellent, one of
the best in the league, at driving in runs.  It's just that there's more
to the game than racking up RBIs.  

--
David Frohardt-Lane   dfl@math.wayne.edu 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Go Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Marlins/Rockies blow Atlanta 2nd pick
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:38:20 GMT

In <17110177@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> oz@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Kent Ostby) writes:

>During the second round of the expansion draft, the Rockies choose Vinny
>Castilla and this is stupid.

Yes.

>At that point in time, there were one of the four following people:
>Pete Smith, Kent Mercker, Tony Tarasco, and Donnie Elliot.  

>There is no way on earth that Castilla is a better prospect than ALL four of
>the above.

After losing Nied in the first round, the Braves deserved a break.  
Fortunately, they got one.  (While we're mentioned other unprotected Braves
better than Castilla, there's Caraballo, Mitchell, and Leibrandt.)
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:54:16 GMT

In article 19652@u.washington.edu, sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>In article <wilbanks.722137910@spot.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
>(some stuff deleted)
>>
>>September 2000:
>>LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Colorado Rockies locked up a wild-card berth in the
>>National League playoffs today, beating the Dodgers 4-2. David Nied got 
>>his 45th save of the year.
>

 45 saves. Pretty good for a starting pitcher.
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 17:19:24 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: expansion draft results

YES! the rockies took charlie hayes! that is so totally awesome!
now the yanks can protect tartabull and meulens before the next
round!

bob vesterman!
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