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From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: TT: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:24:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1917@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>
>Limit the characters? I think not.
>
>Donna Troy has not been limited by her marriage.

    Uhh.  Are we reading the same issues.  Donna's marriage hasn't
 been a factor for a LONG time.

>
>Their relationship (non-physical) is limited by them not being
>married.  The current relationship is at a standstill.
>Obviously this is not the idea of editor since the idea
>is not brain dead.
>

    Their relationship is limited by bad writing.  Frankly, I've
 never been keen on the relationship - it appears that NW and SF 
 are moving apart from one another.  The idea is brain dead: it
 is probably the "really great thing happening in issue 100" that
 Peterson keeps blabbing about.

>Triangles between unmarried people are boring. A triangle
>when a married coiuple is involved is more interesting -
>it is a bigger violation when a married person strays -
>see the movie "Fatal Attraction" for an example.
>

   Yeah, but Nightwing won't stray.  The triangle will be over before
 it even starts.  The marriage will not enhance either character.
 Also, if Dick does marry Kory, everyone will know who Batman
 and Nightwing are.  I can't wait to see the "Bullshit Explanation"
 they have for this.

>P.S. go change your pants; they are wet

   Yep, they are.


-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: How to split?
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:14:10 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <an12370.703360809@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu> an12370@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle) writes:
>If there is to be a vote for splitting into more than two newsgroups,
>I, for one, would like to see a rec.arts.comics.reviews included.

>It could be moderated, but I think it need not be -- a high
>signal/noise ratio would probably occur naturally (especially if
>follow-ups are properly directed by the reviewer :-).  A lot of folks
>(myself included) read this group to find out what other folks like,
>to make better buying decisions when it comes time to hit the comic
>store.

So what do you do with posts which review comics which can fall into several
different categories, assuming the split goes through and depending on how
the group is split?

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.074909.26631@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.061717.24917@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>>"I am power incarnate!"
>
>How about:  "Ah'm pretty darn near invulnerable when ah'm blastin'"
>
>
And of course the perennial "With great power comes great stupidity..."
said at least once in the first ten issues of any new comic.  Oh darn.
I meant "...great responsibility."  How silly of me.  Not.



-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of a Bunch of Stuff tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Why would you think a priest any more moral than the rest of us?  Heavens
 sake's child, why do you think they're called 'Father?'"
					-The Company of Wolves
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 18:57:43 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Question
 <1992Apr16.091905.1@skcla.monsanto.com>
 <1992Apr16.171219.15331@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Regarding the "invisibility" of the X-men: I think they've dropped this. At the
beginning of the Omega Red series, we see one of the X-mansion's computers
which has the location of each of the X-men tagged. Unless they wear a special
signalling device that should be a continuity flaw. I never cared for their
invisibility trait, but I would have rather them done something to put an end
to it, rather than chalk it up as an error of continuity. True, some X-men
never went through the SP so it was a logistal editing problem. But are serious
readers of the book going to accept that they just dropped that thread? I guess
we'll have to.

--Brian
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:05:34 GMT

I can't believe somebody hasn't mentioned the ultimate overused line
in the history of comics.  It was only a matter of time before it
crossed over into the Wild Card series, which so far managed to 
avoid most comic book cliches'.  It's appeared in any number of independent
titles, including Elementals, Zot!, and is uttered at least ONCE in the 
first year of every new Marvel title.  Yes, it's the dread

"With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility."

Everytime it appears in a title, I wince inwardly.  That inward wince is 
strangely one of the most powerful memories I have when reading a comic.

-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of a Bunch of Stuff tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Why would you think a priest any more moral than the rest of us?  Heavens
 sake's child, why do you think they're called 'Father?'"
					-The Company of Wolves
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From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: squid; sandman
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:54:39 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <1992Apr6.130041.1228@wkuvx1.bitnet> charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
 
>Actually, I'm inclined to think that perhaps Thessaly doesn't have a
>sexual orientation as such.  There are people who aren't really attracted
>to either sex and Thes. is really old.  The remarks about Morpheus might
>indicate otherwise, but she could merely be making a statement about
>his ego (as old women are somtimes want to do.)

As all good Terry Pratchett fans know, the hormones keep going in witches
for a lo-o-o-ong time.  ;-)

Bi or no, Thessaly is definitely attracted to Morpheus.
 
 
-- 
Carol Springs                      carols@world.std.com
From: orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Traitor unknown to writers?  I think not.....
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:20:37 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


    About the person who talked to the writer of X-Men and him not saying
who was th e traitor.  yes, he may have said that and yes he may have      
looked like he was honest but I think he was blowing smoke up your chain.

Look.. for them to put something like that and insinuate as much as 
issue 8 of X-men did.. they have to know by now.  They would not h ave written
it in.  They are not gonna drop it.  One major reason is they have too many
people right now on both as it is.. and one needs to be drop (That one is my
opinion) and the second major reason is THAT storyline will sell big time
and Marvel loves that.  They will not drop this line and they know it already.

Think about it.. Why would he tell you the truth?  Do you honestly believe
he would tell you the X-traitor?  I think not.  Not to flame the 
person who wrote the original post but I dont believe he was honest with 
you at all.
      
Peter
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 92 06:43:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Apr8.195322.16549@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Funny this should be brought up now.

The story in X-FACTOR #78 was squarely about abortion...originally.  The
story focussed on the notion that women were being tested, learning that 
their children had potential to be mutants, and were considering (or actually
having) abortions based on that fact.  The final version was watered down to
the point of so totally obscuring the original story concept (with the 
addition of the notion that the mutant gene was capable of being extracted
from the fetus rather than that women were just going to extract the fetus--
said addition to the story NOT coming from me) that people who read it had
no clue that it was supposed to be about abortion.

And just to put aside any thoughts you may have--no, the demands for changes
did not come from my editor, and they did not come from Tom DeFalco.  
DeFalco, in point of fact, fought for the story (feeling that I had pulled 
off a touchy subject in a tasteful and fair manner) but was overruled by
highers up who were still jumpy over all the media attention from the 
Alpha Flight issue.

PAD
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:32:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: stsci.1992Apr10.173204.23751
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <11177@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.075955.28465@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it) writes:
>>                                                                 I think
>>that maybe there should be a series where he loses his spider sense for a 
>>whole bunch of issues and has to learn some real defensive skills.  What do
>>you all think about this?

>	I'd rather not have Pete pick up any formal training, if for
>no other reasons than:
>	1> he'd learn them from Wolverine

Not necessarily.  He (as much as it pains me to write this) is an
Avenger, and he would probably learn from Captain America about
unarmed, unpowered combat.  I remember when Starfox and Captain Marvel
(Monica Rambeau, that is) where Avengers-in-training and CA instructed
them in such kinds of fighting.  It's a good idea.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: ellis@snowy.qal.berkeley.edu (Michael K. Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:01:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.se00iINNbn5
Organization: U.C. Berzerkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: snowy.qal.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr13.215851.28966@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you people are condemning the
>creators for not postulating a black-and-white character.  Or situation, for 
>that matter.  I refer you to Watchmen; specifically the Comedian.  Was he a 
>hero?  Yes and no. That's for you and you and you to debate. It's amazingly 
>ironic to me that one of the more common complaints heard about comics is that
>they need to grow up, that they're too kiddyland, that they'll never be high
>literature, etcetera you get the idea.  I'm not saying it's intentional, but 
>finally we have a situation in possibly the most Mainstream comic out there 
>that Does deal with What Would Happen If in a realistic manner.  Sure, Gambit
>or someone just like him would act irresponsibly.  And the consequences would
>probably Very quickly escalate, creating something that would be. . .
>Well, it's be Really interesting to read about.  Don't you think?

Undoubtedly it would be interesting to work with.  Perhaps, given the
position I've been taking in the past few posts, I should clarify things.

My objection to the way the Gambit-Rouge relationship is written is not
that there's sexual harassment going on.  In fact, if the topic were
to be explored, I'd be willing to buy multiple copies and distribute
them to friends so they could read it.  That's not the issue here.

Watchmen, amongst other things, spent a lot of time and effort exploring
the weaknesses and failings of the characters, including some really
nasty aspect to their characters.  It's one of the things that makes
Watchmen such a superb series.  If the same thing were to be done
with the writers of X-Men exploring the effects of sexual harassment
on Rogue, Gambit, and the ripple effect on the rest of the team, then
the writing of the X-Men would reach a whole new level.  The situation
here is not black-and-white, and it shouldn't be treated that way.

However, it is.  Gambit is the 'coolest of the cool' on the X-Men,
or is written to be that way, whether or not the writing successfully
conveys that characterization.  Someone who can't see the relationship for
what it is is going to look at Gambit's treatment of Rogue and say, 'Jeez,
he's right. Obviously Rogue wants it, and bad, even if she's saying no,' and
not think any further on it.  It's not that the writers are putting depthy
and gray areas into the characters, it's that they're doing it
unintentionally, and the resulting message is, I think, wrong.

Okay, I'll get off this subject, or go write a letter to Marvel or
something.  This is my third post on this topic, and I'm beginning to
repeat myself.

--
Michael K. Ellis
ellis@QAL.berkeley.edu
.sig?  What .sig?
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:14:52 EDT

What does everyone think about the new characters introduced in this book?
(I mean the superagents, Knockabout, Psi-Borg, Violence, and Ivory.)  I
think they're terrific!  Violence always complaining about Fury's "advanced
age", Knockabout talking about his 'Aussie days'...  I, for one, would
like to see these characters continue to appear.
 
And while we're talking about this book, does anyone really believe that
Fury is resigning for good?
From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Return of the JSA!!!Oh no...
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:05:52 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <kgZNiB2w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
> 
>> came out of retirement and joined the JLA, acting as their
>> 'elder statesman' and was a liason between the JLA and the
>> re-formed JSA.  (the JSA and some of their signifcant others
>> were exposed to life-extending magic by Ian Karkull, a 
>> JSA villain)

   yeah right. I know if I were a supervillain fighting the JSA, the first
thing I'd do is extend their lives and health! I don't know when this occurred,
but it has to be one of the stupidest ideas ever. Course, we all know how
the ol' 'life extending' part of many superheroes' powers will allow them to 
stay in their twenties while many generations turn into worm food.

>> 	The JSA then went into Ragnarok right after the 
>> Crisis.  (The reasons for their going will change from
>> the "Last Days of the JSA" special, so says writer John Ostrander,
>> who is going to let the JSA escape Ragnarok in the mini
>> series Armageddon:Inferno.)

    I know I'm in the minority here, but I didn't mind the Last Days exit
of the JSA. I would rather have had them simply retire, but this solution
wasn't bad. While I loved the JSA, especially in ALL Star Comics in the
seventies, they are just to fucking old!  Not too mention that the
whole return will probably be handled badly......


>> 	Then it gets kind of hazy.  There was someone named 
>> Hawkman in the JLA between the Crisis and Invasion, but we
>> have no idea who he is.  He may have been retconned out of existance,
>> 
>> 	Next, Katar Hol, the son of Paran Katar, comes to 
>> Earth as part of a cultural exchange between Thanagar and
>> Earth.  The exchange came as a way of patching up relations 
>> between the two planets after Thanagar got its butt whupped
>> (along with a bunch of other alien planets) in Invasion.
>> He is a sorta-super-hero, Hawkman. 
> 
> One extra bit, because of the Hawkworld Retcon, Carter hall went from a 
> blond to a brunette. (Also there's this Carter Hall Jr. who just popped 
> up in Hawkworld. Great, no Hector (wonder where he got his bolnd hair 
> from) Hall has a long lost brother.)
> 
   They really screwed up this royally. Hawkworld wasn't bad (the mini series),
but why couldn't they simply have had this new Grim n' Gritty (tm) Hawk team
take over the place of the original Thanagarian Hawks? 
> 
> Dascoser


Jamie
Date:  7 Apr 92 02:03:47 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
 >Isn't there already a really large Manga news group already on the net?  I kno
 >there's the Anime one but I'm pretty sure that there's also a manga somewhere.

alt.manga exists, but has really, really, bad propagation.  I'm surprised
that your site gets it.

 >BTW can anyone tell me what fj.rec.arts.comics is for, I saw it and had no ide
 >what it was.

fj.rec.comics  (not fj.rec.arts.comics)  is for Japanese-language discussion
of manga.  Needless to say, almost nobody outside Japan gets it.


--
Iain Sinclair   axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au                             ne cede.
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From: s913391@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Antony Ross Lazarus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: GROO 100
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:41:53 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

Greetings Groo-heads!

I've only been collecting Groo for about 20 issues ago, and #100 is soon to
arrive.
Apparently, something BIG is planned for issue 100... if there are any veteran
Groo-heads out there who witnessed a special event from a previous series or
something, what are we in for ?!

And damn, well what can I say about the price-increase? It's obvious we're
all pissed off about it, but it is Groo for gods sake!
Originally, it was $1.80 down here (and when I first started collecting I       thought 'Gee, what a cheap comic!') but now its upto (nearly) $4!!! Almost
2 lunches worth of cheese-dips!

The only consolation is no ads and more Groo!

Well that's about it then, have a Groo-vy Easter!
See ya!

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 13:53:29 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: WELCOME TO REC.ARTS.COMICS

  What exactly is the Floating Homosexuality Flamewar? Was this some kind of
crossover series?
From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: TT: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.s#rj_vd
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <11120@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>	Does the average schmoe on the street know that Nightwing and
>Starfire have the hots for each other?  I didn't think so.  So long 
>as Starfire and Nightwing remember to limit their PDA's, I wouldn't
>think there would be a problem.
>

    I would think that the rumor mills would know.  After all, she
 was romantically linked to Robin, so anyone figuring out that
 Robin and Nightwing are the same person will know.  Whatever
 happened to the Perez idea of Dick appearing in public with
 Kory wearing disguises?  Geez, now he walks around wearing his
 costume and no mask, sees Kory with a spy (Mirage) following him, and
 who knows what else.  Batman should whip his butt.

>	Alternatively, Dick could manufacture a new identity, 'Richard
>Grey' or something like that, and those two could get married.  For
>someone with Dick's experience, a new identity, unconnected with Batman
>shouldn't be a problem.
>-- 
>Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
>albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
>Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
>Thank you all for coming, I'll spend your money foolishly.-J.Buffett


-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-notes
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:03:25 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Apr15.051957.9751@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.141326.21330@wpi.WPI.EDU> paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...) writes:
>>In article <92104.114205ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>>
>>>  Just a few comments:
>>> 1) Some are posting about a love triangle between Cyclops,Jean and Psylocke.
>>>    Since to my knowledge there were never any hints about Cyclops and
>>>    Psylocke, it could just be (IMHO) that Cyclops was just checking her out
>>>    as men usually do at the beach. Psylocke is after all supposed to be the
>>>   sex symbol of the group.(At least she has been drawn that way and mentioned
>>>    by other X-men as gorgeous).
>>
>>	true... and she was a model before she took up superheroing....
> 
> True... and she was also a white, British model who probably couldn't
> perform a single ninja action if her life depended on it.  Nor could
> she endlessly prattle on about her "psychic knife."  But then, I'm
> just nitpicking here.  (Personally, I think she was using her powers on
> Cyclops, but I have no idea why.  Maybe Psylocke is the traitor...)

She also used to be an interesting character.  They never had a chance to
develop her relationship with Doug Ramsey or her eyes from Mojo.  And
you'd think that Forge or Doctor Strange could reverse her Japanized
process. (The X-traitor is Bob Harras)
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:53:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <57081@cup.portal.com> <1992Apr9.231100.26857@sol.UVic.CA>

If you mean was it my first ongoing serial in Marvel Presents, the answer is
yes.  My Green Lantern work in Action was also of a serial nature, and that
significantly predates it.

PAD
From: rycshaw@csa.bu.edu (Ray Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Robotman -- any collections
Keywords: Robotman
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:49:12 GMT
Reply-To: rycshaw@csa.UUCP (Ray Chow)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <608@lakeoz.UUCP> robert@lakeoz.rain.com (Robert Adams) writes:
>I heard that the strip was origionally designed to be marketed (al
>la Garfield) and the first year had Robotman stuffed toys and such. 
>But the strip never took off and it has languished in limited syndication.
>
>	-- Robert Adams		adams@lakeoz.rain.com

Does anyone remember the god-goofy Robotman cartoon that was shown on
Teevee at about the same time the strip surfaced, way back when?  I seem to
remember some female robot, too.  (Robotte?  =)  The cartoon (TV) struck me
as sort of anime-ish.

On the subject, Meddick's (sp?) stuff is *so* unlike the gushy/diabetic
crud that was in the cartoon.  Anybody in accord?

			-ray y. chow
			 rycshaw@csa.bu.edu
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