From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, Japan.
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:41:44 GMT

In article <YeynCeW00iUzE8JIM0@andrew.cmu.edu> Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Mr. Chung, 
>
>               Well its too damn late, you threw you two cents in it
>now. Obvisouly, you are missing whats happening. Your attitude as I
>percieve it is: Ah! Why waste time changing this or that. Just let's it
>stay the way it is and we can play nintendo. But some people are
>sensative to the fact that an equal cultural indentity with the rest of
>Humanity is important.

	Ahh...joys of flaming, how do I love thee, let me count the ways. :)
No, I don't play Nintendo.  The graphic and sound are nothing compared
to my 386 or my roomie's A-3000T.  (Don't flame this either, come on, you
guys do recognize a joke, right?)  :)  

	Um, apparently, you didn't quite understand my attitude.  So I'll
try to make it as clear as possible.  I believe that changing names is
fine as long as you are prepared to pay the price.  The price, of course,
being going through everything (maps, legal documents, etc.) and changing
the name.  But hey, if we really want to do it, that's fine with me.

	Sensitive to...equal cultural identity with the rest of humanity.
I like that.  It's a catchy phrase.  It tends to blow up small things to
big proprotions by appealing to this "rest of humanity."  But does the
name of a body of water
that nobody outside Korea and Japan (maybe Russia, but they are too busy
over the Black Sea) really matter?  Yeah, yeah, it's this national pride
thing, but couldn't we display our national and cultural pride in some
other form.  For example, when that Korean runner won the marathon back
in Barcelona, now that was a way to display our national pride and telling
Japanese, "Here is a revenge for Sohn Ki Jung."

>These concern are valid and we should be given
>top priority when it is decide by the original peoples that "We want our
>Sh*t back". At one time a culture had the power to roam the earth giving
>new names to other peoples stuff. This is o.K. to you. Wonder, if i
>tapped onto your bank account and said this is mine. That would be
>unforgiving and against the law. The same or greater rule applies here.

	Hm, I don't agree with that analogy.  Your analogy seems to apply
that Japanese people consider the East Sea as their own.  Do they?  As long
as Dok-do belongs to Korea, Japanese government can scream and howl all they
want, but they are bound by the Law of the Seas to keep their hands to
themselves.  A more correct analogy would be:  You tapped into my bank
account and claimed it to be yours.  But everyone else recognizes the
account as being mine not yours.  And when I want to withdraw from "your"
account, the bank will gladly let me do so.  And when you want to withdraw
from "your" account, the bank will call the police.  It's a little 
inconvenience for me because I have to have two account numbers, but I
have better things to worry about, so I don't really care.

>Now,
>                        Wouldn't you agree that if you had a car and
>someone stole your car and kept it for four months and let's also say
>that at the end of the four months the police arrest the guy and take
>your car. Wouldn't you have a stronger hope that you would get your car
>back? Now, let's say that you are Ko-ryuian and the Sea of the East was
>the car and the thief was either Russian or Italy and the police are is
>the Ko-ryun Nation. You can fill in the rest.

	Again, this is not really a correct analogy.  Your analogy applies
better to the Japanese/Russian/Italian merchants roaming around stealing
physical objects.  Names?  Well, you can argue about it until the cows
come home.  But whatever the name of East Sea is, according to Law of the
Seas, we own one part, Japanese own one part, and Russians own one part.
As long as that is clear, call it East Sea, Hankuk Sea, Sea of Japan, Sea
of the Venerable Klingon Empire, I don't care.
>
>                      So, my young friend, maybe you can "sensatize"
>yourself and not be so apathetic. The Hankuk Sea. Catchy, very Catchy. I
>think that at this point I will call this beautiful body the God has
>given us through his grace- The Hankuk Sea (or The Sea of Hankuk which
>comes to mind. This is a good
>idea, I mean how original can originality get.
>
>                                      The young mind is so fancinating!  

	Yet even more ad hominem attack.  To the other person, you used
his name, "Xavier" to attack him, now you attack my youth to attack me.
Interesting, since you don't even KNOW how old I am.  I do hope everyone
here recognizes your silly ad hominem attacks for what they are, silly.

	BTW, interesting to see a Japanese rooting for "Hankuk Sea" and
a Korean rooting for "*shrug*, whatever" position.  Yup, you've seen it
all right here in Usenet.

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