HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:39:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr10.173911.4603
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab

In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> If anyone bothers to announce the results of the vote, I'm
> sure there will be a nice new comp.sys.next.rtf, where
> such neat posts will most *definitely* belong. 

I bet there won't be.  Even if there is it won't work.

Todd
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: clp@home.HarvardSq.COM (Charles L. Perkins)
Subject: Re: The best price for Concurrence
Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.131658.5025@ornl.gov>  writes:
> 
> 	I just called up NeXTConnection to inquire about the price of  
> Concurrence, and they told me it costs $795!  I want to buy it, but that  
> price is pretty steep.  Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase  
> Concurrence for less than $795?  TIA.
> 
> Jim

If you're a student, it is only $49.00  !?!!!

I guess those lighthouse design guys still aren't forgetting their roots!

Hurrah!  (That's about 94% off retail price.)

								Charles
From: nlee@s6.math.umn.edu (Namyong Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: To: GatorFTP+ Users
Keywords: GatorFTP+
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:32:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: s6.nlee.702606765
Organization: University of Minnesota


   Could you anyone send GatorFTP+ via NeXT email?
I tried to ftp from several sites but without luck.
Thanks in advance.

           nlee@n2.math.umn.edu
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Let's be friends (was: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:07:54 GMT

Nathan F. Janette writes

> In article <724@rtbrain.woodside.ca.us> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn  
Reid)  
> > People who flame
> > on the net do so in order to see their words and opinions sent  
throughout
> > the world, because it's fun and thrilling.  
 
> Of course, some people, such as Glenn, respond to such debate with
> personal attacks.  That's OK, I can dish it right back out without
> blinking a tearful eye.


OK.

Can we just let this die for now?

Let's try a bit of compromise. Perhaps we can confine the  
blatantly-pro-product, feature-listing posts to c.s.n.announce and also  
reduce the stridency of the recriminations a bit.

Not that any of us need to muzzle or anything, but let's get back to  
promoting our mutual and common interests, maybe just for a while, please.


Let's be friends.

	Chuck Herrick <cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu>
From: jjfeiler@relief.relief.com (John Jay Feiler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStation Color SIMM Slots
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: jjfeiler@relief.relief.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: KiaB, relief consulting

In article <1992Apr5.015932.9095@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.231602.22560@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.Stanford.EDU  
(M  
> Carling) writes:
> > In article <1992Apr3.191822.23337@cs.yale.edu>  
> > nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> > > Anyone know how many SIMM slots the NeXTcube Turbo board has?
> > 
> > Four.
> 
> 32 MB total for a NeXTcube Turbo?  How pathetic!  This Turbo
> "upgrade" seems increasingly dubious to me, even leaving out
> the fact that they have abandoned the OD hardware drivers.

The Turbo has only four slots, but each slot can address 32MB SIMMS (If you can  
find them)  I hear that NeXT will actually sell you 32MB SIMMS, but you pay  
NeXT ram prices ;-(

You can therefore put 128MB in a Turbo (for a price)


> 
> --
> Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
> Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
> New Haven, CT
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
> 


--
John Feiler					jjfeiler@relief.relief.com
3800 14th Ave. SE D-165
Lacey, WA  98503-2273		   
Independent NeXT Developer 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch)
Subject: Re: neuron and uucp
Organization: KCW Consulting
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.030454.25700@u.washington.edu>  
wimsey@milton.u.washington.edu (Andrew Creighton) writes:
> Has *anybody* been able to get uucp running with a Neuron Fax 1414
> modem?

Yes.  I have the 1414 and use it to get news and mail from UUNET.  About  
one out of every 5 calls fail to connect to the UUNET trailblazers, and it  
seems that about half the time uunet can't connect to my Neuron, but it's  
good enough to keep the data flowing.

The problem with the Neuron connecting to the Trailblazer seems to be  
caused by the Neuron thinking it's hearing a busy signal when the  
Trailblazer starts making it's initial tones.  The first tones that the  
Trailblazer puts out is for the PEP protocol.  It takes a few seconds  
before it gives up and trys the V.32 tones.  It's the PEP tones that the  
1414 mistakes for a busy signal.  The 1414 outputs "BUSY", and then hangs  
up. (Actually, I don't know if it's the 1414 that decides to hang up or  
something the Neuron monitor does.)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Curt Welch - KCW Consulting          By 1995, there will be just two kinds
curt@kcwc.com - NeXTmail please!     of professionals:  Those who use NeXT
(703) 938-4152  FAX (703) 938-5756   and those without Jobs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: blakely@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Michael Blakely)
Subject: Re: System Admin. & Re: Adobe Systems Incorporated -- and a Question
Organization: U. of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.064122.4251@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.165330.3692@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca> jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca  
>(Joseph Chin) writes:
>
>>  Launching a new app has never worked for me! I always have to either use  
>>  FontInstaller (which automatically rebuilds the index and cache files) or  
>>  do the installation manually (i.e. command line).
>
>
>Ditto!  I have never ever seen the font-panel discover new fonts unless I run  
>buildafmdir....
>
>
I have had it work, with a requirement.  If I put the fonts in /LocalLibrary/
Fonts it would not work, but if I put the fonts in ~/Library/Fonts and started
WriteNow a panel would appear indicating new fonts were being added and
indeed they then appeared in the font panel.

Graham Lindgren
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:50:59 GMT
Distribution: na

Jim De Arras writes

+ And I stand corrected, there is a NeXTstep Mime grazer, that has been pointed
+ out to me by a number of e-mailers, thanks.  

Seems like I can't even buy a clue this evening. Would *some* kind soul
clue me in as to the whereabouts of the MIMEGrazer? Thank you all very much.
Perhaps a posting here so we don't get a zillion "where is XXXXX?" posts?

Not that we won't get a zillion such posts anyway... :(

+ It was flamebait.  I did not realize at the time that I'd bit.  Again, sorry.

Yeah, well, you're entitled...

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: Re: NeXT TeX and Postscript
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:39:22 GMT


tlm@nextasy (Tom Marchioro) does not seem to be a useful address, and I
couldn't find any other in the posting.  So, I am posting something that I
would normally email.

Can you (Tom) post a summary of all the nifty TeX stuff that is ftp'able,
where it is (site, directory, file name), and what it is.  At least for
the latest tex, dvips, texview, and TeXmenu.  And maybe your real email
address too.  Thanks.

Mark Adler
madler@tybalt.caltech.edu
From: sphere@netcom.com (Sam Goldberger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: MIME-capable software
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:13:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Having followed this thread for a while, a couple of reflections:

Prior to the recent outburst of discussion, I had been corresponding
with Mark about POP and IMAP. He'd directed me to the ftp server
at uwash, where I'd snagged MailManager, EasyMail &c. 

What I didn't do was to read the README file carefully, or more
importantly, the RFC upon which MailManager is based.

When you do this, it becomes apparent that Mark's remarks come from
the context of years of work and research on mail in general
multi-media mail in particular, and considerable thought on how
this valuable service can best be propogated over the internet.

I think it would behoove us (and perhaps NeXT?) to download this
software, compile it, and read the docs. I came away very favorably
impressed with Mark's efforts on all fronts. His software is
extremely impressive in itself.

Having gone through through this process, I came to understand better Mark's
frustration about the level of discourse about mailers, especially
given the fact that there are some very important issues at stake,
issues which go well beyond the NeXT community. Having been now
alerted to those issues through Mark's efforts, I think we cannot
afford to ignore the rest of the world, and take up a "NeXT: Love it
or Leave it" position.

One may not approve of Mark's guerilla techniques for introducing
a thread; in my own case, it was a wake-up call. Sometimes you've
got to hit the mule over the head to get its attention, and we
can surely be quite mulish.

I would also like to say that Mark has been exceedingly patient in
responding to exceedingly stupid questions from a UNIX tyro. Yes,
he has a mission--but it is a good mission, and I wish him great
success. Indeed, I'd like to ponder how the NeXT community could
assist him in his efforts. But do read the docs, and reach your
own conclusions.

Sam
sphere@netcom.com
From: coco@ihcoco.ih.att.com (Felix A Lugo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:38:27 GMT
Reply-To: Felix_A_Lugo@ATT.COM
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Originator: coco@ihcoco

In article <1992Apr10.070511.291@en.ecn.purdue.edu> davis@en.ecn.purdue.edu  
(Robert E Davis) writes:
| 	Another solution to consider is something that Right Brain
| used to do (I use the past tense because I'm not sure if their latest
| mini-apps use this method -- maybe they do).  They put all the stuff
| in a .RightBrain folder in your home directory, kind of like the .NeXT
| directory.  This might be even better than the Library/Appname idea
| because it fits with the idea that no user should need to know
| "technical" details.  Only the Unix Experts see the dot directories
| anyway.  Why would a non-Expert want to see a bunch of garbage like
| Tetris scores that you can't even read cluttering up your Library?
| 

	In my opinion, this is WRONG!  Applications MUST provide users with  
the capability of selecting the location of such files/directories, with a  
developer-defined default if the user is too lazy/ignorant to decide where to  
relocate them.  However, this default SHOULD not locate the information under  
a user's home directory!

	Dot-files under $HOME should only be used when critical start-up  
information is needed by a program (i.e., .profile in /bin/sh) and when the  
use of the defaults database in unwarranted (although I can't think of a  
reason when this would be true).

	We already clutter our homes with (useless) UNIX .files; why clutter  
it even more by having NeXTSTEP app files located there also?!  As someone  
suggested, use ~/Library/<appname> instead!!!!!

	GAUHDBTHU (that's Klingon for Give A User's Home Directory BACK To  
The User).  8^)

---

===========================================================================
Felix A. Lugo

E-Mail: (NeXTmail preferred)			Felix_A_Lugo@ATT.COM
						coco@ihcoco.att.com
     AT&T NeXT User Group			nug@ihcoco.att.com
     HOME NeXTcube				home@ihcoco.att.com
===========================================================================
-- 

===========================================================================
Felix A. Lugo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman)
Subject: Re: SEF did it again (RTF) also Netrek update!
Reply-To: mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:58:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.183329.9445@newshost.lanl.gov>  
tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.074920.7384@darkcube.radig.de>  
vhs@darkcube.radig.de  
>(Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
><stuff about a Sean Eric Fagan mail bounce>
>
>Just ignore him.  Pretend he doesn't exist.

Better yet, just send him a complimentary copy of your file system:

cd /
tar cf - * | uuencode | split | mail sef@kithrup.com
(It won't work--but it's a good idea!)

No, seriously, I just wanted to post something RTF so I can start the  
inevitable mail loop when I bounce all of his mail, and he bounces  
all of it back. I don't PAY for my connections, let's see how smug he  
gets when all his bandwidth starts getting sucked up by mail bouncing  
back and forth with
headers increasing in length. (Don't worry Chet, I wouldn't REALLY do  
it)

--
Mike Neuman                mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
			      NeXTmail accepted!!!
"To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's  
motto



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From: omv@athena.mit.edu (Daniel K Hartman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: List of poor educational dealers
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:00:56 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I'm afraid I have to disagree about MIT being a god educational dealer.
They do seem to promote the NeXT line, altough not anymore that anyother line,
though this is questionable.

My main problem is that they seem very disorganied.

Ex1: A friend who ordered a NeXT Station was supposed to be told when
it was going to come in (they would call), checked one day (after a couple
weeks of waiting), the salespeople said they were not in stock. I called
the next day to see if they had any (to double check), and THEY DID.
However, the person was never notified.  It is possible that they came in
that day, and that the person was just not notified yet, but.....

Ex2: I ordered the CD-Rom bundle at least 3 or 4 weeks ago. Never have
been called to tell me it came in, went in two weeks ago, they said they
didn't know when it would be in and that I should wait.  Waited 1 week,
checked again, the person who handles all NeXT sales was not in.  Checked
today, again, the person was not in.  Now, I would think that more than
one person could handle NeXT sales, that you don't need a infinite IQ to
do it, but who knows 8-).  I finally tried emailing them today, currently
waiting for a response (sigh)

also, many people I have talked seem to have bad impressions of the MIT
Microcomputer center at worst, and neutral at best. No one I know has
actively praised them, but then again, maybe I just don't get out enough.
8-) 8-)

Of course, this may just be all a fluke, how about any other MIT students'
experiences?

omv@athena.mit.edu
Daniel K. Hartman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: roy@math13.math.umbc.edu (Roy Edwards)
Subject: What's the educational cost of 3.0 on CD-ROM?
Originator: roy@math13.math.umbc.edu
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Maryland Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:12:18 GMT

Subject asks it all.
Roy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@nextasy (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Print Panel problem or is it texview
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:21:02 GMT

ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
: I have been using texview alpha 5 and 6 and am having problems
: printing with the through the printpanel.
: 
: Printing works fine, but then the busy cursor (sorry don't know the name for it) just spins and spins.
: 
: I have two set of defaults one for 5 and one for 6 could this be a problem.

My guess is that you answer your own question in the last line.  I've been
doing a tremendous amount of TeX in the week or so (>50 pages and boy
am I tired of \, $ and typing in general) as well as shaking out the various
versions of TeXview for Tom Rokicki. Have had *absolutely no trouble* 
with printing but did find a subtle bug in the display of postscript fonts
(hint:  use Times-Roman in alpha6 at 91 dpi, look a strange compared to 
alpha 4?) that required me to run two versions (ie 4 & 6, 5 I didn't
like) "side by side".  Found a lot of the preferences were messed up by
this (although I don't really understand that since they're done with a 
dwrite only when you save them) and wouldn't be surprised if printing was
effected as well.  *Also* 5 and 6 require **different texps.pro** files
(which is marked, Lost-In-Space-like, with Danger Danger Danger!) in the 
CHANGES file.  All things considered it's amazing it works for you at all.
Get dvips5482 off of Labrea (has the new texps.pro in it as well) and install
it, and just use alpha 6.  Alpha 7 will be ready (so I'm told) shortly,
and will include several bug fixes including the one hinted at above (Rokicki
told me it was the hardest bug to find he's seen this year :-).

A couple of BTW's:  

(1)  If you like to use Edit with TeX I strongly urge you grab the TeXmenu
package off of sonata (great Duane Bibby Lion's head Icon too!) and make it
the default app for all your TeX and DVI files.  It largely obviates all the
"Hints for Using TeX with Edit" commands I posted a few months ago.

(2)  The most recent alphas, both 5 and 6 (I think) are not making a "stripped"
version of TeXview, meaning it's about 1 Mb instead of 100K, remember to
strip it after typing "make install".

Hope this proves Helpful ---- Tom
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SimonSays(tm): the Review
Date: 12 Apr 1992 21:16:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr12.181020.775@venice.sedd.trw.com>
verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes:

> I've used Simon for a number of weeks now with a number of mics and can
> definitely say that the mic's quality and it's rejection of background noise
> make a large difference in recognition rate.

When you change the mics, do you have to retrain Simon?

Or can the recognition rate be improved by retraining?

--
Izumi Ohzawa             [ $BBg_78^=;(B ]
USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440     Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tim@monolith.amd.com (Tim Olson)
Subject: Re: Mission critical apps
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:14:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.052251.6145@athena.mit.edu> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G  
Shirlaw) writes:
| Steve jobs and NeXT in general use the phrase "Mission Critical App" a lot as
| they see it as there main advantage
| 
| I always have problems with deciding quite what this phrase actually means...
| any one got a good example eplanation and/or examples...preferably ones that
| don't include the financial sector and or DTP.

I think of it as meaning those specialized, "quick prototyping"
applications that come up in various areas.  One example from the
microprocessor design business is specialized simulators for
testing the performance tradeoffs of various ideas. 

--
	Tim Olson
	Advanced Micro Devices
	tim@amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bugs@atlantis.uucp (Dan Berry)
Subject: Re: List of poor educational dealers 
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:06:12 GMT

pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:
: Below is a list of universities that I have compiled from
: people who posted about "shitty (educational) dealers"
: There were several reasons given about this, ranging from
: being unfamiliar with the NeXT, to I can give a damn about
: NeXT's - I will sell only Mac's and IBM's.
:
: {munch}
: 
: Bad reputation:
: {...}
: University of Calgary           Harvey Mudd College
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whoa.  I won't even BEGIN to defend the U of Cowtown (Albertan nickname).
I will state, however, that when NeXTs were starting to get popular around
here (in Edmonton, at least), the U of Alberta was basically the sole
distributor.  This included to the UofC.

Well, that lasted for a few (likely underestimated) months.  After a while, we
told NeXT in Vancouver we didn't want them anymore.  I won't go into details,
but I will say that it wasn't just the PURCHASERS that had problems.

: The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
: outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
: supporting NeXT products. 
: 
: Good schools:
: University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
: MIT

What?!?!  We didn't make it?!?  *DRAT!*

Better to be unmentioned than to ever be mentioned at all, I suppose... :-)
____

P.S.: I may work for the UofA, but these are *MY OPINIONS*.  I'm not even
  using my UofA account.  Therefore, if any of this bounces back into me, you
  may or may not be told where to bang your bits.  <leer>
-- 
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	bugs%atlantis@cs.ualberta.ca (bugs@atlantis.uucp) - NeXTmail OK!
"On a first date, watch how your date treats the waiter, the bartender,
	and so on.  That's how she'll be treating YOU after three months."
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