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From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: SpicMacay:L. Subramaniam(violin):LEC-DEM:Sep23:FREE
Date: 2 Sep 1992 09:26:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
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  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

			      Violin Virtuoso


                             Dr. L. SUBRAMANIAM


				accompanied
			    on the MRIDANGAM by
				  GANESH

                        Wednesday Sept. 23, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
   		     Crystal Cove Auditorium, Student Center
			   University of California
				   Irvine


		**ALSO AT:
		 US International Univ., SAN DIEGO. Sept. 24th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
		**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:

                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 745-2917 (Kartik)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: narayan@ics.uci.edu (sanjiv)
			   anantk@usc.edu (anant)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. 
Dr. Subramaniam will present the Violin as a Carnatic music instrument
and explain the subtleties of Indian music.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------

 405 south or 5 South
 exit Jamboree go right
 left at campus
 right at bridge (2nd light)
 left at Pereira (1st light) 
 enter parking garage on the left.
 Crystal Cove is in the Student Center opp from the garage,

 PARKING: $ 2 per car.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:32 MST
From: Dan Wilson <ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: is Galicia (spain) celtic?
 <1992Aug24.050442.23923@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
 <1992Aug24.073822.18137@rdg.dec.com>

I seem to recall that Julius Caesar had several wars with the Celts in
Galacia.
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: celtic cross : combination of druidism and christianism
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:22:53 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

I think the celtic cross is a combination of druidism and christianism
because of the circle of the cross : it represents the sun. 
i'm not sure about the exact signification of the circle but sure of
there's a part of druidism in it.
early christian religious in celtic country have always been respectful
about former religion and prefered to adapt christianity in druidic holy
symbol. (for ex : cross in the top of many megalith stones,
holy sourc which was consecrated at such god, had been converted
into adoration of christian saints.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:57:15 GMT

In article <suzanne.74@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett) writes:
>In article <5887@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA)) writes:
>
>>A friend of mine passed this snippet along. It may amuse...
>
>
>>                       Impure Mathematics
>
>I suppose the poster of this bit of sexist garbage is sitting at his 
>terminal quite smug in the knowledge that he has generated a controversial 
>topic.  I AM NOT AMUSED.  It is offensive, has no business on the Celtic 
>board--or any other board!  So-called "cute" postings that denigrate other 
>races, the opposite sex, are NEVER in good taste.  As a writer, I try very 
>hard not to put down anyone else, even if I don't happen to share their 
>views.  You, sir, seem to enjoy the put down.  Suggest you confine your 
>drivel amongst your comrades; perhaps they appreciate it more.
>Suzanne who has spent far to many years trying to avoid the Neanderthal 
>mentality evident by this poster. 
>-----
>suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com

I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
genders would have been reversed!

Beatrice
From: dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:38:04 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Sep3.114700.7703@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson)
>>I posted the long message a couple back about our organization as, if one
>>looks back far enough, all Celts are of Teutonic lineage.  As this is an
>>organization which deals with the ancient Teutonic culture, I thought it
>>was good material and food for thought for a lot of you.
>
>Absolute nonsense. The Teutonic langauges are one branch of
>Indo-European, the Celtic another, but they are no closer
>related than any other two branches of Indo-European. In fact
>the Celtic languages are rather more closely related to the
>Romance languages than they are to the Teutonic languages. You
>would be more correct to say "if you look back far enough, all
>Celts are of Latin lineage", but this would not fit in with
>silly romantic swords-and-sorcery celticry.
>
>Matthew Huntbach


	I have been lead to believe that the celts of Ireland
	were Iberian Celts. Is this Latin? Also I have read
	that the Celts were nomadic and roamed through out
	europe and were not a pure racial group but likely
	a mixture. Would a historian without so obvious
	a slant present facts and not an emotional out
	pouring. We of this group are willing to hear
	facts thats why we read the group. 
	Wasn't early europe a conclomeration of tribal
	peoples from a number of areas likely enter
	mixing and shareing many ideas.
-- 
_____________________________________________
Donald H. Fair       Software Sanitation Eng.
dfair@octel.com     "They're all small when 
standard disclaimer  They're blue." papa smurf 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Celtic Cross
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:01:26 GMT

From article <1992Aug31.155209.25291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, by esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse):
> 
> On soc.culture.british someone is asking about the Celtic
> Cross and if it is pagan or religious.  I posted an answer
> that  it was religious.  If anyone has more information about
> the cross, please post to that group.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Evelyn
> 
By "religious" it looks like you are implying christian, but I thought
that pagan peoples were also religious (even though it was probably
pantheistic). Does this mean that only the relatively new beliefs count
as being religions? Or did you just choose a rather unfortunate
collection of words to express your question?

														GW
From: mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:31:50 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Sep2.175347.20756@rdg.dec.com> spain@galvia.enet.dec.com () writes:
>--
>On this island Irish is regularly used in parts of Donegal, Galway, Kerry and
>Waterford (don't think there are anymore places).  In these areas - called
>Gaeltachts (sp?) you will hear it in the street etc.  The vast majority of the
>people on the island have English as a first language.
>

There is another Gaeltacht in Co. Meath and I suppose if we stretch
the definition of Gaeltacht to the region with the largest number of
Irish speakers then of course Dublin and the other cities would have 
to be included. 

MARK

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From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: is Galicia (spain) celtic?
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:29:31 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET (Dan Wilson) writes:

>I seem to recall that Julius Caesar had several wars with the Celts in
>Galacia.

At the time of JC, the Celts occupied Gaul (what is now France), much of
northern Spain, Britain, Ireland, etc.  It was the campaign platform of
JC to subdue these Celtic zones and bring them into the Roman empire
(much like Bush's use of overseas terrorism, I mean foriegn policy, to
make him look good at home).  JC used much propoganda and slanted
journalism to make the Celts look barbaric and thus needing the
"civilizing" effects that Roman society could so conventiently offer.
Thus the hesitancy in accepting all of Caesar's writing on face value,
though he is one of our key sources about the Celts in this period.

  Note that there are many places of Celtic influence with similar names
reflecting Celtic presence: Galicia in Spain, Galatia in Asia Minor,
ancient Gaul, and maybe Galway in Ireland and Galloway in Scotland (??).
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Troubles claim 3,000 victim in NI
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:00:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 13:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.134941.14127@news.nd.edu> ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

   Seriously, though.  What is an 'other', and how do they separate the 
   civilian from the paramilitary figures? 

At a guess, the paramilitary & military groups would make allegations/claims
about the dead person's membership of a particular organisation.  As for the
"others", I'd imagine that Northern Ireland has a few Jews, Muslims, Hindus,
Sikhs, and even atheists.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:19:34 GMT

From article <1992Sep3.085848.4019@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, by mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach):
> 
> There has been some discussion over whether any of the
> Plantation settlers would have spoken Scots Gaelic, but I think
> they tended to be Lowland Scots not Highland Scots, thus not of
> Celtic origin. You are making the common mistake of thinking
> that all Scots are Highland Scots.
> 
> Matthew Huntbach

The original Scots from Ireland settled in Dalriada(sp?) which is the
strathclyde region, which as I remember is the lowlands, and by the time
the settlements took place the distinction between lowland and highland
scot was becoming more blurred.

													GW

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Scots or Picts (was Celtic alchoholism?)
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world  
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:21:24 GMT

In <1992Aug10.161720.7217@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <1992Aug6.162820.12872@cos.com>, by cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper):
>>>> The survey was based on surnames, when it says "Scottish" it
>>>> actually means those with indisputably Celtic names of
>>>> Highlands origin.
>>>> 
>> So much for Robert the Bruce..... 
>> -- 

>He was of Norman decent, Robert de Brus.

That was my poin if Scottish means "Names of Highlands origin" then 
the Bruce wasn't a Scot........  "Why should *I* follow you to the
Bannock Burn, Robert, *my* name is of Celtic origin....." 
-- 
gary cooper (not the dead one)

                             Luddites Unite! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Subject: Celtic Cross
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:52:09 GMT


On soc.culture.british someone is asking about the Celtic
Cross and if it is pagan or religious.  I posted an answer
that  it was religious.  If anyone has more information about
the cross, please post to that group.

Thank you.

Evelyn
--
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic Cross
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:15:37 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Sep1.083412.20966@maths.tcd.ie>, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes...
>In article <1992Aug31.155209.25291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>>On soc.culture.british someone is asking about the Celtic
>>Cross and if it is pagan or religious.  I posted an answer
>>that  it was religious.  If anyone has more information about
>>the cross, please post to that group.
>	If by "religious" you mean "Christian" than you are correct.
>(pagans can be religious too!) The "Celtic Cross" (i.e. the cross with 
>a circle superimposed on it) is entirely a Christian emblem. Folklore has

In that case, how do you account for the standing stones at Callanish,
Lewis being laid out in the form of a Celtic Cross, but predating
Christ by a few millenia?

Craig

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From: byardd@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: RE: Irish Times Subscription info
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:48:58 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


I dont have any direct info about arranging a subscription
to The Irish Times but its address is :-
	The Irish Times
	13 D'Olier Street
	Dublin 2.
There is no sunday edition of The Irish Times.  A seperate
company published 'The Sunday Tribune', but its not as good
as the Times.

As for a scandal sheet, you could try the magazine Pheonix,
As for a scandal sheet, you could try the magazine 'Pheonix',
As for a scandal sheet, you could try the magazine 'Pheonix'.
From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:10:14 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson) writes:

>I posted the long message a couple back about our organization as, if one 
>looks back far enough, all Celts are of Teutonic lineage.  As this is an 
>organization which deals with the ancient Teutonic culture, I thought it 
>was good material and food for thought for a lot of you.

  Vlaad: you're heading into some shaky and debatable ground here, because
of the disparity between linguistics and historical term usage.
  The term "teutonic" itself is in origin a Celtic term.  It is cognate
with the Irish "tuatha", meaning tribal group.  The Celtic god "Teutates"
was one of a triad of primary gods in a Continental Celtic pantheon recorded
by a Classical historian, and of which this is other evidence of.
  The differentiation between the Germanic and Celtic peoples was not always
clearly made by the Classical authors.  I'm not sure how the term "teutonic"
came into its current association with the Germanics, but it belies its
complex ethnolinguistic origins.
  Beware of saying "_the_ ancient Tuetonic culture"!  For a good survey
of similarities between Germanic and Celtic cultures, see the book
"Symbols and Myths of Pagan Europe" by H.R.Ellis Davidson.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Using the Irish form of one's name in Ireland
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:29:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

If I understand correctly, it is quite legal to interchangeably
use the English or Irish forms of one's name in Ireland.  For
example, even though my birth certificate says "George Vincent
Reilly", I could apply for a passport (or open a bank account
or whatever) as "Seoirse O/ Raghailligh" (or "Seoirse Reilly"
or "George O/ Raghailligh", optionally adding in "Vincent"
or "Uinseoinn").

Is this correct?  Or is it necessary to get some sort of legal
document first?
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Need help with pronunciation
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:47:48 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

The conversation so far...
>>>> 
>>>>	Can anyone give me some guidance on Gaelic pronunciation? I am
>>>>pretty much ignorant of it. Thanks
>>>> 
>>>Which Gaelic- Irish, Scottish or Manx?
>>>Any particular region? eg. Donegal, Skye, etc 
>>>
>> 
>>	Well, I'm an information junkie, but my most immediate interest
>>is in Scots Gaelic, particularly the name "Doig".
>> 
>I've never thought of Doig as being a Gaelic name, although there is
>an old Irish Gaelic word Do/ig, so there may be a link there. Nowadays,
>the name is pronounced "Doyg" (one syllable)
>
>>	Ultimately, I'd like to be not completely clueless about what
>>a word like "Gha\idhlig" or "sibh" is supposed to sound like.
>> 
>Ga\idhlig = Gaa-lic
>Gha\idhlig = about the same, but a 'harder' initial G
>Sibh = 'sheev'
>
>There quite a few tapes available, and correspondence courses if you're
>interested in learning.

	Thanks for that Craig. 

	As for the origin of "Doig", I can't find evidence that 
specifically says it's a Gaelic name, but it is Scottish. I had for
sometime thought that perhaps it is a respelling of the Nordic "Dag"
but that's another theory I can't back up (and I think it is a weak 
theory because I've never heard of that word being part of a Norse name 
except in modern times, i.e. Dag Hammarskoeld). I have, however, seen 
more than one source saying that "Dagg" is a respelling of "Doig". I 
think you can see where this is leading. From my own investigation
of US census records, sometime between 1800 and 1820, someone (perhaps
a census taker) added an "s" to get "Daggs".

											Thanks Again
											Clark J. Daggs

("J" for James, my grandmother's family were Jocobites)

SPELLING NOTE:
For Norse words in ASCII I use:

	"ae" for omljuded "a"
	"aa" for "a" with a circle
	"oe" for omljuded "o"

OOPS! I hope no one is offended that I'm mostly talking about Nordic
in this message. It's mostly to make the point of why I believe the
modern name "Doig" is of Celtic origin.  ---Clark
From: bp2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Betsy J. Pursh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Family Names
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:19:58 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Anyone out there with the family names of Ivill or any derivative (I was
told this was Welsh) or Schweppe (German) please send me mail.  And does
anyone live in Norwich, England?  

BETSY PURSH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: mgharte@maths.tcd.ie (Michelle Harte)
Subject: Re: Maeve
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:09:19 GMT

stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:

>(I hope this one gets posted - sigh). 

>Is the hill or mountain outside Sligo that has the rock mound on top
>the grave of Queen Maeve? 

 Yes indeed, legend has it that Queen Maeve is buried on top of Knocknarea,
 a mountain a few miles south of Sligo.
 I am ashamed to admit that even though we have a great view of the mountain from our house in Cloverhill, I have never actually climbed to the top.

Michelle Harte
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Troubles claim 3,000 victim in NI
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:58:08 GMT

--
In article <1992Aug28.134941.14127@news.nd.edu>, ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

|>>33% catholic civilians
|>>31% members of the security forces
|>>21% protestant civilians
|>>10% nationalist paramilitaries
|>>3%  loyalist paramilitaries
|>>2%  others
|>
|>Seriously, though.  What is an 'other', and how do they separate the 
|>civilian from the paramilitary figures? 
|>

The report didn't say what an "other" was.  I would guess maybe visiting
tourists, politiciansor non christians (although both sets of paramilitaries
would qualify under this term).

To answer your second question, generally it's obvious.  However both sets
of paramilitaries claim to be non-sectarian.  There are often claims made that 
the dead person was a member of the IRA or UVF.  These are often considered
as sectarian murders and rightly so.

|---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |

          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Celtic Cross
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:41:04 GMT

To get back to the original question, which was are celtic crosses
christian or pagan, I would recommend reading "Irish Druids and the old
Irish Religions" (I cannot recall the authors name) published by Dorset.
In this book the author has 10 pages on celtic crosses and presents
evidence that the cross as a religious symbol was common in
pre-christian cultures and that at Clonemacnoise (sp?) there are two
crosses that pre-date christian times.

														GW
From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Celtic origins and female heroines
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:03:31 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


   Unfortunately I didn't see the article this was in response to:

rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson) writes:

>misc.religions??? I have never really considered the Norse as Celts -
   But certainly, while they share many resemblances (having shared many of
   the same bits of Europe and having much cultural contact) and having
   some common roots (ie, IndoEuropean heritage), the Celts and Norse *are*
   distinct cultural entities.  Just look at the differences in their
   language for evidence of this.

>surely the Celts came down from the eastern diaspora which also
>brought the turkic/kazak/mongolian groups across europe. And anyway

   Where the Celts "came from" is a matter of great academic dispute.  I
   however subscribe to the "cumulative Celticity" approach, in which a
   group of cultures in contact over an extended period of time created
   an ethnolinguistic identity -- no mass migrations or barbarian invasions
   needed.

>followed by the Victorian Mythmakers...and despite the Valkyries there
>are no really good female role models for those of us who constitute 51%
>of the world.... 

   This is something I think Celtic mythology and history provides a lot
   of good examples of: Boudicca, Meave, Dierdre, Macha, Epona, Bri/d, etc.

   mn
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 16:36:16 EDT
From: <IO20402@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: The Cowal Games

For the first time in my life, I have knowingly missed the Cowal Games held
in Dunoon. I would love to know if anyone went, and has it changed with the
loss of the American Naval Base in the Holy Loch. Or is it just the usual
'piss-up' it turns out to be?

   Tak Car, loves,
                  Kerry