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From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: romantic things
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:30:35 GMT

bz687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (E. Andi Woods) writes:


>In a previous article, jrsalt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Julie Salter) says:

>>David Martin <32BWQQP@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> shares: 
>>>The mostest romanticest things:
>>
>>>Aurora borealis, or lightning, or heat lightning, or shooting stars...
>>>anything in the sky viewed from a prone position. The subject of conversation
>>>doesn't matter, but it helps if there's a campfire nearbye.
>>>
>>>Thunderstorms, even alone.       --------------------------------------
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      |  In case no one had noticed, these  |
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      |  are a MAJOR weakness of mine... :) |
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       --------------------------------------

I know you can't have thunder without lightning, but it's the lightning
that I've always loved to watch.  Not so long ago I was sitting on the
riverbank in the dusk watching the lightning of an aproaching storm
reflecting on the water.  I watched the paddlewheeler cruising upriver,
ablaze with lights.  White light chained up and down the huge clouds as
the sky around darkened.  Now if only there had been someone there to
hug, the romantic picture would have been complete :(

I used to live in a country town further south.  The storms there were
spectacular.  One in particular I remember watching the energy bouncing
around inside this huge thunderhead - there was so much power in that
cloud that I saw lightning arc out horizontally and dissipate in the
air.

On a slightly different topic, I always wanted a photo of the sugar cane
being burnt off on the other side of the river - 30 foot flames
reflected on the water at night with a loud crackling as it burnt.
These days I think they cut the cane without burning it :(
I sound like a pyromaniac!! ;o :)

Rob
Official Journeyman-Harper of the RFA


--
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Rob Geraghty                         | Time, flowing like a river
robg@durian.citr.oz.au               | Time, beckoning me
CITR                                 | APP
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From: epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Mary Epperson)
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.133137.1835@mixcom.com> kkwwkk@mixcom.com(TA Shaw) writes:
>
>GEMR sez:
>>Minor correction: Statistics Department
>"There are three kinds of lies, Lies, Damn Lies and
>Statistics" [Note: this is a paraphrase from memory]
>[Duck]  BDC runs to hope aboard JC, 'cause GEMR has 
>picked up her frying pan.......
>BDC

I'd advise you to "hope" on some other horse, cause JC is my friend,
BDC...*evil grin*

"JC, got some nice beans here for'ya hon."

And if ya wanna know how the frying pan hurts, BDC?  Just ask MadDog.
He *has* felt it before, ya know.  *mua hahahahahaha*

Just be thankful it's the frying pan and not the whip I'm
holding...*grin*


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From: puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: Re: Steve, you little devil...
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:39:49 GMT

 ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) putes...
>puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude) sez:
>> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) fantasizes...
>>>cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West) remarks:
>>
>>>>Miss you all, Welcome Home Julie and Steven
>>
>>>Thanks Clare, oooh, wish you could have been there. It was so nice but
>>>I won't describe anything since we already sent out five posts on the
>>>subject.
>>
>>Steve! "...wish you could have been there."???
>>Menage A Trois?
>>	(Sorry. Couldn't resist.)
>
>ohhhh puter puter puter...what are we gonna do with you?

Well, keepin' within the frame of this post, how 'bout invitin'
me for a Menagerie-Ah-FourBarrel.  *chuckle*

>Julie is the
>only woman I can handle...she is enough, and more, for any man.
                                          ^^^ ^^^^
All the more reason to invite me...  
	I mean, you ARE the Fireside Sex Advisor, no? Kinda like 
Dr. Ruth, only in drag...  (GROAN)

>I *would* have given Clare a big kiss on our way outta there though...

But??? What??? What kept you from your romantic duty?

-- 
Puter	puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com	.sig by Generic Labels
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From: lisad@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa Dominique)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: GRW/GEMR's revenge
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:51:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep29.034316.3491@r-node.gts.org> marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel) writes:
>Pardon my ignorance, but who is GEMR???
>
>At least one inquiring mind wants to know...
>
>
>Michel
>Official Pronker of the RFA             marcelg@zooid.guild.org
>					marcelg@r-node.pci.on.ca

GEMR is Mary Epperson!   She works here at Purdue University
along with me, only she's in the Mathematics Dept. and I'm
in the Electrical Engrg. Dept.  She's a GREAT lady!


Lis, The Official Good Romantic Witch
and Honoured Former President
of the Romantic Fire Association

p.s.  Heaven is a *Hug* and a *Smile*
      the Joy of Music and the Beauty of Silence
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: davol@twinheadmeiko.co.uk (David Wilson)
Subject: Allow me to introduce ... 
Organization: meiko
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:09:06 GMT

Allow me to introduce a friend of mine - Briony. 

Briony, meet .... a.r.c.

Briony has wild red hair, the face of a kind witch 
and lives in a little cottage with a three-legged cat. 

Briony doesn't have a computer <poor thing> but I've 
been telling her about the net and I thought it would 
be interesting if some of you could send something 
my way and I'll collect it together and print it 
(yes, on paper !) and give it to Briony so that she has 
something to warm her heart on those misty autumn 
evenings that are closing in now. 

So send those spare *HUGS*

You can E-mail it to me if you prefer. 

davol@meiko.co.uk 

Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: Hi Lisa
Organization: OFSA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:05:19 GMT

rwm@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (MAIR R) panics:

>In <kai02615920818185900@depeche.toppoint.de> kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt) writes:

>>Uuugh, I'm not _that_ sexy. BTW: Does anyone know 100% if I'm female
>>or male (STEVE, don't tell'em!!!!) ???? I know that my name is not
>>very common over there and so I start this quiz!!! ;-) ;-)

lips are sealed....


>So who the hell is Steve!! Where is he!!  We want an answer!!

	Welllll, I have been on my honeymoon with my lovely bride. We
didn't even think of computers for an entire week! We had better
things to do, y'know.

	You want an answer? ASK KAI!!! *snicker*

S.
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: "Raistlin Majere" <p00139@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Just ideas: what are *your* romantic things?
Organization: Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:13:05 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   2 Oct 92 19:37:55 GMT
>FROM:   Paul Norris <pm3_norr@csd.brispoly.ac.uk>
>
>In article <6561@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> slayer@gl.pitt.edu (Deborah) writes:
>}
>}So, the question is: 
>}* What are _your_ most romantic things???
>}
>} Hey everyone remember me ????
	
	No, but I'll answer anyway.

	Lessee, now.....

	1.) Watching vultures pick at the rotting flesh of an 
	    animal carcass(sp) that is slowly drying in the 
	    desert sun.

	2.) Seeing someone choke to death in a restaurant.

	3.) Watching them empty the garbage cans behind an 
	    abortion clinic.

	4.) Watching videotape of millions of starving humans
	    in Somalia/Ethiopa.

	5.) Visiting a slaughter house.

	6.) Attending a funeral.

	7.) Touring a morgue.

	8.) Touring the site of plane crash while the bodies are still
	    fresh...

	9.) Participating in an embalming.

       10.) Visiting the E.R. of a county hospital.

I have lots more, but that'll do for now..........
	
	<Insert "Malevolent, Mocking, Satanic, Laughter"[tm] Here>

*****************************************************************************
	"...I got no friends 'cause they read the papers, they can't
	 be seen - with me - and I'm feelin' real shot down - and I'm
	 gettin' mean - and I said, ' No more, Mr. Nice Guy!, No more,
	 Mr. Clean!'"......................
				- Alice Cooper, "No more Mr. Nice Guy"
*****************************************************************************
		Raistlin Majere @ Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: prauda@dol-guldur.hut.fi (Kristiina Prauda)
Subject: Just ideas: what are *your* romantic things?
Organization: Helsinki University, Finland
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:52:51


Hello everyone!

It's been rather quiet here lately - everyone seems to be busy with
studies, and of course we've been listening breathlessly about the
ARCwedding of the century (I still claim it deserves that title, 
even without seeing it! which reminds me: Mr and Mrs Salter, don't
you dare forget to send me pictures!!! :-)).

Well, that became a rather complex sentence... (so I'm just showing
the normal intelligibility of an ARCer... :-)) But anyway, sitting
here next to the RFA fireplace, resting from my dance and drying
off the perspiration... (teasing? me? naaah... :-)) Anyway, sitting
here and staring dreamily into the fire, having listened to the
wonderful recounting of the wedding (thank you for sharing that
with us, Julie and Steve!!!) I thought we could share some thoughts.
That *is* what we're here for, among other things...

So, the question is: 
* What are _your_ most romantic things???

They can be anything - music, play, book, place, time, anything. They
are the things that make you feel like laughing, crying, reaching for
something unnameable behind this world that you can't quite reach...
They are the things that make you believe in love, life, eternity...
They are the things that give you strength and hope to live on, from
day to day, and make life magical...

Here are some of mine, just for starters: 

* Tchaikovsky's ballet music, especially the Love Adagio from the 
second act of the Nutcracker. That music is the perfect image of
undying love - it's like looking straight into the sun with eyes
that are strong enough to stand it. 

* Les Miserables, the most romantic musical of all time. 

* The Lord of the Rings, especially one single scene: where the 
Riders or Rohan ride through the enemy to avenge the death of Theoden
and the (supposed) death of Eowyn; Eomer sees the pirate ships coming
up the river and raises his swords to defy them... and then when he
sees it's Aragorn and his men coming, throws his sword into the air
and bursts into song when he catches it... And the tide of the
battle turns... <sigh> <snif> (Sorry, got carried away there. :-))

* The white night of the Finnish Midsummer: the deep, deep emerald
greenness of trees and grass, the milky air, like soft clear glass, 
the mist rising from the mirror of the lake, the pure golden bell of 
the cuckoo from the faraway woods behind the lake... there is nothing, 
asbolutely nothing like that. 

* Christmas. Everything in it. The snow, the golden and green and 
red, the light of the candles...


...Now that suddenly made me remember... I feel as if I've asked
something like this before? But who cares, it's a subject I like
to discuss again and again. :-)

So, tell me about your most romantic things!


Kristiina
Official FireDancer of the RFA
prauda@dol-guldur.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: jlane@Ingres.COM (Judi Lane)
Subject: Re: Just ideas: what are *your* romantic things?
Reply-To: jlane@Ingres.COM (Judi Lane)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:48:42 GMT

In article <EemR54i00Xs2ADUdEg@andrew.cmu.edu> ri0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Iswara) writes:
>prauda@dol-guldur.hut.fi (Kristiina Prauda) writes:
>> Hello everyone!
>>******* a few lines deleted ******* 
>> So, the question is: 
>> * What are _your_ most romantic things???


First and foremost... redwood forest, just after dawn, in
  a misty fog.  <sigh>


Eating chinese take-out in front of a fire on a wet, damp
  rainy evening while watching old comedies like Hepburn/Tracey
  or Woody Allen films (no comments, please!)


Sharing a large puffy ball of pink cotton candy.


Bubble bath for two (by candlelight, of course).


Sailing... anytime, anywhere... even when you get wet!


Good pinot noir or chardonnay and watching Jean-Luc Picard & co.


Cable cars at midnight on California Street (San Francisco naturally).


Clean fresh sheets, warm from the clothes dryer, in a big pile
  on the bed *teehee* just before you spread them out.


	Judi
	The Official Procrastinatin' Dryad of the RFA
	("RomanceIsn'tDead...It'sJustLikeQuayle'sMind--Elusive.")

Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: jrsalt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Julie Salter)
Subject: Re: ARG! Not another wedding!
Organization: Salter, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:57:27 GMT

diana@com (CatWoman ) shares: 
>jrsalt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Julie Malone) writes:
>
>] >>And may your ceilings never get painted!
>
>Errr - Julie?
>
>Read that again up there - I THINK it can be taken as
>a compliment...
>
>I mean - what ELSE are you going to be doing when you're
>not painting your ceiling!!!
>
>CatWoman

Well, CatWoman, I appreciate your pointing that out.  Its amazing I get
ANYTHING these days...my mind seems to be other places.....

.....oh honey.....I need a kiss.......

Julie Salter
Loving wife to the Feral Knight
President, Romantic Fire Assocation
From: dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diane Atkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: Space Cadets episode 6
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:46:15 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

This is *cute*!
I like!
Keep up the good work, guys.
:)

Di
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Wedding and etcetera [ Part 4 ]
Organization: OFSA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:47:02 GMT

=========================================================================
September 19,1992 - Part 4 - The Reception
==========================================================================
(By now you should know that my comments are preceded by a ">" and
Julie's aren't....:)   )

Our reception was short and sweet.  I truly believe that Steven wished
we hadn't had one.  But, for the sake of our family and friends that
had travelled from great distances, I thought it best to share some
moments with them.

> Well, I WAS eager to get started on the honeymoon.....

Upon arriving at the shelter house, Steven thought it necessary to
carry me into the room.  (He loves hoisting me up and carrying me
around.... shows his muscles off ;))  Anyway, we came rushing into the
shelter house, me in his arms, both of us smiling.  He put me down
before his mother had gotten a picture of it, so she asked him to do
it again.  He of course, complied *smile*.

> That *isn't* why I like to pick you up...I just...well, just LIKE
> to. Holding her in my arms is a sensation  I never get tired of.

We did the traditional things - fed one another a piece of cake
(sweetly and non-messy); drank punch from wine glasses thru threaded
arms; threw the bouquet and garter (his daughter got the bouquet and
my son caught the garter); opened gifts some of our friends and family
had brought; and last but not least - signed the marriage papers!

In the background, we played some of our favorite romantic songs as we
visited with our cherished friends and family.  We often stopped to
touch one another's hair or hug gently or share a soft kiss.  Our joy
was overwhelming and I'm sure that was the reason for so many of the
smiles I saw looking our way.

> I was a *little* bummed that one of the songs I especially wanted to
> have played never made it..."Big Love" by Fleetwood MAc...you know,
> the one where the guy and the girl are moaning at the end?...*smirk*
> I thought my mother would especially like that one...hee hee...ah
> well, she probably would have expected it from me.

At last, it was time to change into street clothes and prepare to
leave.  I remember just staring at my beautiful rings and telling
myself it was real.....

> And it was, and is. Seemed strange and at the same time so natural
> and right. We then helped Julie's sister and my parents finish
> packing up stuff from the shelterhouse and got all the kids loaded and
> we were ready to go.


END part 4...just one more part to go guys and girls!!! :)

S&J
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor)
Subject: Re: Home Bodies...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:29:06 GMT

Miss Kitty warns:

>"Thrown together...this is the pickupstix of cities!" :) Well, Paul will
>get you back at the TygerBoink, I'm sure...;)

*Erk!* He's gonna be there?  Well, I guess I'll just have to bring my
knee pads and practice my groveling.....


rip(Down NM!  Heel boy!!)
From: epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Mary Epperson)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Addresses for ARC and/or RFA Membership Directory
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:48:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.romance.chat
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

(I stopped the earlier post, so if you see two of these, please
forgive me :-)

A new Fall Semester (and thus a new year) has come, and with some many
new Post/Lurkers I feel it is time to update the ARC and/or RFA
Membership Directory.

So, if you want to be included in this directory, please send me the
following information:

Email Address
Name
Snail Address
Phone Numbers (if your number is unlisted, pls let me know)
Important Dates
ARC and/or RFA Titles

My email address is the following:

epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu

As you know, I try to keep up with birthdays, anniversaries, etc., but
can not always keep track.  If I have a list of them, that will make
it easier for me.  If I have managed to miss you in the last year,
please accept my humblest apologies.

Please send the information to me by October 31st.  If anyone would
like a copy of this directory, let me know and I will send it to you
during November.

On a personal note, I would like to think some of you for the hugs,
and compassionate notes I have received over the past six months.  I
have had some very difficult times personally (some of you know why,
thank you *hug*).  The next month will be even harder for me, and I
can not think those of you who have been there enough.  I'm glad I
have my friends on ARC.  *HUG*

Thank you everyone!!

Mary
Official RFA Sexretary to the Chat Hosts

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|(   ____    ____   __      __   (\___   | Purdue University
|(   \   )  (____) (  \)  (/  )  (    \) | a.k.a. GEMR
| \_____/)_/(______/    \/    )__/       | Official RFA Sexretary to
|                                        |       the Chat Hosts    
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From: cadesjar@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Curtis Desjardins)
Subject: Hello again....oops, Goodbye again
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:55:35 GMT


**coming out of the rock I was hiding under**

Just saying hi to everyone that I've ignored for the past 3 months.
Work and school are killing me, and regretfully posting to the net
has become low on the totem pole of priorities. I just wish I could
stick around. I miss my ARC friends (and the hugs, and foodfights,
and strawberrys, and chocolate wrestling, and... you get the idea)

Sigh.

**crawling back under the rock from whence I came**


========================= Fluffy the Wonder Bunny ============================
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==============================================================================
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    or because I'm trapped here, but because I'd rather be with you than
     anywhere in the world."   -- Richard Bach, "Bridge Across Forever"
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Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Mary Epperson)
Subject: Re: GRW/GEMR's revenge
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:51:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.034316.3491@r-node.gts.org> marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel) writes:
>Pardon my ignorance, but who is GEMR???
>At least one inquiring mind wants to know...
>Michel
>Official Pronker of the RFA             marcelg@zooid.guild.org
>					marcelg@r-node.pci.on.ca

Allow me to introduce myself, Michel; I am GEMR (or Green Eyed Maiden
of Romance).  I am one of the characters belonging to the personality
of Mary Epperson, better known as the Official RFA Sexretary to the
Chat Hosts.  

She is very handy when it comes to protecting GRW (the Good Romantic
Witch), or various other ARC/RFA people.


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|(   ____    ____   __      __   (\___   | Purdue University
|(   \   )  (____) (  \)  (/  )  (    \) | a.k.a. GEMR/Maiden Mary
| \_____/)_/(______/    \/    )__/       | Official RFA Sexretary to
|                                        |       the Chat Hosts    
|     "I know I have faults...being wrong is *not* one of them!"
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From: cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: Just ideas: what are *your* romantic things?
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:22:46 GMT
Organization: Dept of CompSci, U of Auckland

ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>
>- the sparkle of water as it splashes down a stream..
>
>- a blazing bonfire, hurling millions of sparks high into an ebony
>sky.

- lying on top of a hill on a moonless summers night, with the milky
  way spread out in all its glory across the sky.

- walking in the mountains, far way from civilisation, with no people
  around for miles.

clare

-- 
Oh, why didn't I listen when they said "Never do a   |  cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz 
 masters and try to have a life at the same time"?   |  clare west
                 BigSis to Chris, Eric and Kristiina
                    Official Welcomer of the RFA
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel)
Subject: Re: GRW/GEMR's revenge
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX (416-249-5366)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:43:16 GMT

Pardon my ignorance, but who is GEMR???

At least one inquiring mind wants to know...


Michel
Official Pronker of the RFA             marcelg@zooid.guild.org
					marcelg@r-node.pci.on.ca