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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: guitarists
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:31:35 GMT

Just to add my 2 cents to the guitarists debate. It is true that Slash is
not immortal. Good, yeh, maybe even great, but he can't touch Jimi or Steve
Vai or--are there any Jeff Healy devotees out there? And Kirk is definitely
better. What I like about gnr is not any specific performer--although Axl's
barb-wire vocals can occasionally break your heart--but their ensemble
performance. They take songs which really aren't that interesting (operative
reference: Paradise City) and make them worth listening to. 
And as to Knockin' On Heaven's 
Door ('scuse me typos, mates): yeh, it is from the '70s. Zeppelin recorded
it, tho I doubt they wrote it. But the best version of it I've heard is
still by a now-defunct band called Baron Steel. Technically they weren't
much--and I ought to know; I pinch-hit for their sound guy a few times when
he was drunk off his ass--but they loved their music so much, and put so
much feeling into it...it was fantastic. 
Okay, get yer flame-throwers ready. (And Cuz, this time don't even bother
mentioning the paragraph thing, okay? I forgot :(.)
					Rosaleen Dhu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr,alt.cascade,alt.non.sequitur,alt.newbie,alt.religion.kibology
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: F***ing Cascaders again!
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:21:54 GMT

In article <92272.145700TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> <TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hey, are we cross-posting to alt.cascade yet?
Hey, are we composting to halt the parade yet?


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: kls@thebe.ecn.purdue.edu (Kerry L Sylvester)
Subject: Re: Oakland Colesium show, plus a bit on 'Locomotive'
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.084518.7002@leland.Stanford.EDU> dhyatt@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hyatt) writes:

>But someone mentioned before that they were saddened by the fact that
>they have yet to see 'em do "Locomotive" live.  This is by FAR my
>favorite G-n-R song, so I was disappointed too, but not surprised that
>that it wasn't performed.  I recall reading in a Slash interview in
>some guitar magazine a few months ago that Locomotive is nearly
>impossible to play, guitar-wise.  At least all at once.  The
>"chicka-chicka-chicka" background rhythm riff isn't very difficult to
>play a few times --- but try playing it exactly perfectly in rhythm
>for six, seven solid minutes in a row, and boy does your wrist get
>tired.  It takes a hell of a lot of guitar indurance to pull that song
>off live, and I think they have decided that it just ain't worth it to
>kill yourself for that one song.  Plus, the tripled vocal effects on
>the CD (Axl singing at his normal octave, plus at his high screaming
>octave, and his low ominous octave) would be impossible to effectively
>reproduce without the loss of a lot of overall "kick."  Knowhatimean?
>
Well, I think the problem with Locomotive live would be that the
rhythm and lead guitars are supposed to play the background riff at
the same time.  For no better than they are at keeping in time I would
say that probably that is the reason for not playing it live.  Think
of how bad it would sound if they didn't match.  I'm quite sure that
endurance isn't a problem...the riff isn't that difficult to play,
just hard to maintain a steady rhythm at that speed.

kerry
>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:57:00 EDT
From: <TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: F***ing Cascaders again!

Hey, are we cross-posting to alt.cascade yet?  They seem to enjoy this shit, so
maybe we should just totally ruin their newsgroup!  I know I already said this,
it's just still making me mad.
                             -Bill
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 13:13:37 EST
From: <FDHOFFMN@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: MTV top 200/GNR

  I know you ALL hate MTV...nonetheless, I did watch a lot of
the countdown over the weekend..."Jungle" came in 25, "November
Rain" 14th and "Sweet Child" 3rd.  Does anyone know where
"You Could Be Mine" ended up?
You know, I really did like Axl's glam look - the ratted hair and
make-up!!!


      Lorrie

--------------------------------------------------------------

Do I need a disclaimer seeing as my contract has the term
"academic freedom" in it?

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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: That distinctive ``Slash Sound''
Date: 28 Sep 1992 00:29:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
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Can someone please give me tips on how to get that classic sound that
Slash makes with his guitar on most the songs.  I have a Epiphone Strat
Please give me info on tone on guitar and amp set-up.

Thanks
Richard Banks
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: ehrhart@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeffrey Ehrhart)
Subject: Re: November Rain Vid.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 15:05:33 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <92275.003627BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu>, BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu (Insensitive Man) writes:
|> A friend of mine who is almost as big a GN'R fan as I am says she noticed
|> something new in the November Rain video today.  She says that only half
|> steph's visible body is truly her body, and the other half is a mirror
|> reflection.  I haven't watched the vid since speaking with her, but does
|> anyone else notice this?
|> 
|> I am not talking about the half casket, BTW.  What I mean is she is split
|> longitudinally down her spine and the far half is a mirror image....
   Yes, there is indeed a mirror.  Speculation is that her death caused
disfigurement on the other half of her face; hence the need for the mirror.
One theory was a lightning strike during the rain storm.

-- 
Jeff Ehrhart
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Surrealist Assholes
Date: 26 Sep 1992 17:07:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
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	Since it is obvious that the cascading apes won't leave other
groups alone, I suggest that we crosspost everything to their group, as
a feeble sort of retaliation.

                                               Moses
-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: norm@sdc.com (Norm Nithman)
Subject: Re: SLASH, Great guitarist? (snicker!)
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:11:59 GMT

In article <92273.041941MLR114@psuvm.psu.edu> <MLR114@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Dood, Iam a guitarist myself and I think you should recheck the scales that
>slash uses.  Yes, he does use the r&b pentatonic scale but he also intermixes
>archipeligo soloistic ventures with his scales.  As far as BB King goes, he
>doesn't even know how to play a chord.  He admits this on an interview he did
>with U2 frontman-Bono.  Slash has his own style and technique.  His playing
>is individualistic and full of emotion.  Satriana and Via are both accomplished
>guitarists but they aren't raw and down to earth.  I am sure anyone can sound
>good given the equipment that they have.  Kirk Hammett, I admit, is one damn
>good guitarist.  It is hard for me to choose between him and slash since I am
>a fan of both GnR and Metallica.  As far as technicalities and musical theory
>is concerned I think Kirk takes the cake, but on the other hand slash has
>a better nack for improvisation.  Thanks for listening
>

Followups to alt.flame.spelling!
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander)
Subject: Welcome Mail Listers
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:58:50 GMT

I want to welcome all of the people that were on the Guns N' Roses Mailing
list to the newsgroup.

The mailing list, which at its high point had 200 subscribers, is now
officially net history.

I have archived all of the posts and there was certainly a huge amount of
useful information: bootleg CD and video lists, concert reviews, etc.

If anyone is interested, I could post some of it here or mail it.

_________________________________________________________________________
Alex Alexander           |    The thoughts expressed here are my own, 
LaserMaster R&D          |    and in no way reflect those of my company
7156 Shady Oak Rd.      G|R   (which would no doubt disavow everything
Minneapolis, MN 55344    N'   I have ever said on the net or in person).
(612) 943-9314          G|R   ------------------------------------------
---------------------    |   "Your only validation is in living your
alexa@county.lmt.mn.org  |      own life; vicarious existence is a
CIS -- 71005,506         |       fucking waste of time." -- Axl Rose
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: phlegm@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Bourrillion)
Subject: GNR free-for-all
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  3 Oct 92 22:35:25 GMT

Did anyone catch the "Guns N' Roses Free-for-All" on MTV?  I don't
know if this has been broadcast before, but I turned on the tube this
morning and saw it for the first time.  I thought it was pretty damn
good, especially when Steve Tyler and Joe Perry came out to play Mama
Kin and Train Kept A-rollin' with GNR.  In case anyone cares, it will
be on again (MTV) at 1:30 pm EST tomorrow (sunday).
--
           Whether you spit or swallow, the Phlegm disappears!!
       phlegm@camelot.bradley.edu      kbourr@heartland.bradley.edu
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Confucius say: Boy who go to bed with sex problem, wake up with solution
in hand.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: crow@camelot.bradley.edu (Nicole Lenard)
Subject: Re: November Rain Vid.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Oct 92 06:13:40 GMT

In <92275.003627BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu> BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu (Insensitive Man) writes:

>A friend of mine who is almost as big a GN'R fan as I am says she noticed
>something new in the November Rain video today.  She says that only half
>steph's visible body is truly her body, and the other half is a mirror
>reflection.  I haven't watched the vid since speaking with her, but does
>anyone else notice this?

>I am not talking about the half casket, BTW.  What I mean is she is split
>longitudinally down her spine and the far half is a mirror image....

>                         Dan

Do you mean the body in the casket?  Eewww....that's nasty....

Wonder how it happened....oh Axl dear....;-)
From: masri@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: SLASH, Great guitarist? (snicker!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:04:12 GMT
Reply-To: masri@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Sorry to the person who criticized BB King for not knowing "how to play a chord".  That may be true, but Jimi Hendrix couldn't even read music!!  And I don't
think you're going to argue that he was great guitarist.  I agree with the
first poster who said that BB King gets more emotion out of a single note
than ANYONE......and I still love Slash.  You don't have to criticize one
to like the other.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: kls@thebe.ecn.purdue.edu (Kerry L Sylvester)
Subject: Re: November Rain NOT Written by Axl Rose.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:38:30 GMT

In article <2113@grivel.une.edu.au> bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au writes:
>
>She knows full well that Knockin On Heavens Door is originally Dylan and
>Clapton. But she still insists that November Rain is from Waaaaaayyy
>back then. NO, she is not senile, at age 37, and she is actually partial
>to Guns'n'Roses! [Who said parents are all shitheads??]
>
Well, November Rain is not from way back when...period.  She must be
thinking of something else that is similiar.  That's all I know to tell
you.

>Um, She didn't grow up in Indiana... We are all Aussies here mate!!
>And, DON'T KNOCK INDIANA. A lot of damn good friends of mine were 
>born there!!

Thank you.  'nuff said.

>
>Oh, BTW, anyone want me to post in a fairly slack interview with Slash??
>-Who now, seems to be becoming the band spokesperson due to Axls bad
>publicity of late???

Yeah, I also noticed this trend of Slash talking more than anyone else.
Could be because of Axl or because he is now more or less the main
attraction due to the dramatic improvement of his guitar playing skills.
As for Duff, I've never seen him give an intelligible interview. Just 
MHO. 

>
>If so, tell me how to post files to the news network ok??
>
>Brad.
From: TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I just got told something I don't quite believe
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:44:06 GMT
 <1992Sep30.170115.17295@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Sep30.170115.17295@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
kls@thebe.ecn.purdue.edu (Kerry L Sylvester) says:

>>My Stepmom says that November Rain is a remake of an old song of about the
>>Dylan era. I went and checked up the Dylean handbook in a nearby bookstore
>>and.... No Bananas.

As a lot of people have already said, it was written by Axl and only Axl.
I have an old bootleg demo tape of the Appetite sessions that contains two
early versions of November Rain.  I think they're both performed solo by Axl,
one with him playing piano, the other with an acoustic guitar (although this
could be Slash or Izzy as well...but Axl DOES play guitar on Shotgun Blues so
he isn't foriegn to the intrument).  Either way, the early version was kinda
dry...I can see why it wasn't chosen for Appetite.  I doubt that Axl would've
attempted to play a cover like that all by himself, even if I didn't already
know that he really did write it.

                        -Bill

"...tell me what the fuck is goin' on!"  -from Coma
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: GNR Sucks!
Date: 27 Sep 1992 00:33:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, denouden@cs.utwente.nl (Jan den Ouden) says:

>A European opinion :
>
>As for Metallica : They've never been able to reproduce live anything that
>resembles their records. They've got great songs, but live it's a mess.
>
>denouden@cs.utwente.nl

An american couterpoint:

	You are utterly and completely wrong.  I saw Metallica twice, and
granted that wasn't a whole lot, but they kicked the shit out of their set
both times.  The fast songs were faster, the double bass was evil, and the
solos defied belief.  No band exists, with the exception of industrial
types that can "reproduce live ... their records".  A mark of a truly good
band is one that makes a live show sound better than some two dimentional
recording; Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Queensryche are excellent examples.
G N'R is not.  The concert that I went to and the MTV live stuff was all
mediocre and boring, not to mention marginally in tune.

                                              
                                                 Moses
 

   
-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: Re: Why do they suck?
Keywords: G'n'R
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:25:38 GMT

In article <Bv4oJG.C7p@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:

>>BTW - Popularity is no measure of talent.  One only needs to point to Def
>>Lepard to prove this point.
>
>Hysteria was a great album. The rest of their stuff sucks.
>
>Jed

The rest of their stuff kills anything off those stupid Illusion "albums".

Gun n'Farts SUCK!!!

This is all of course IMO.


							- Don

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: juggle@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: SLASH, Great guitarist?  (snicker!)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:07:53 GMT

In article <1a5jkgINNg44@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:

>Can someone please give me tips on how to get that classic sound that
>Slash makes with his guitar on most the songs.  I have a Epiphone Strat
>Please give me info on tone on guitar and amp set-up.

OK, sure.

First throw away your Strat and buy a Gibson Les Paul.  (Yup the one SLASH 
masturbates on in the November Rain video.)  That ought to run you about
$1000 or so, but hey, we're trying to sound like SLASH here so money can't
be an object.  (It is an *excellent* guitar, BTW).

You can't really get a good Les Paul sound out of a strat (at least not
out of one without special pickups).

Now, turn the tone and volume all the way up on your guitar and
overdrive it through a large bank of Marshall stacks.  That is the
"classic" R'N'R overdrive sound.  If you have access to a large
amphitheatre, play there, otherwise just buy a $50 reverb pedal.

That's it.
Complicated, eh?

If you have the dough you can invest in an electronic effects set that will let
you sound like SLASH, VAN HALEN, NIRVANA, METALLICA, JIMI H, etc at will.
(or at least let you approximate their sounds.)  Everyone seems to be fond
of the new Digitech one.

Of course there are those silly musicians who would argue that it is a good
thing to develop one's *OWN* sound, but we all know better than that, don't
we?

	-juggle-

NOW, what *I* want to know is just why the heck everyone thinks SLASH is
some kind of guitar deity when in fact he doesn't really stand out *AT ALL*
among other Rock and Metal players?

I'll agree with anyone who says he is a *good* guitarist, he certainly
is, and anyone who says he isn't is deceiving themselves, but he ain't
anywhere NEAR Vai or Satriani, or even Eddie Van Halen in originality,
style or technique.  And yes, yes I know this group is fond of
Metallica vs GnR comparisons, but Kirk Hammett is *so much* a more 
precise and technical guitarist than SLASH it isn't even funny.

To the person who said he "has the rare ability to put emotion in
every note" , all I can say is "chuckle". Of course if you love the
music, ANY song sounds pretty emotional but that is a different matter.

I would say that SLASH sounds that way only because every single one
of his songs is based on the Rhythm and Blues Pentatonic scale.
(Known for it's "Sad, emotional" sound).  In other words, he isn't
exactly very creative musically.  (That would include the November Rain
and Sweet Child solos by the way for those skeptics among you.).

If you want to hear REAL emotion in that framework, check out BB King.
That man can put more feeling in a *single note*, than SLASH can put in 
a whole song.  (with no offense against Slash intended here, BTW).

So what's up with SLASH?  (Cheap guitarist theatrics aside)  Why does he
get this undeserved reputation?

Any Opinions on this one?

	juggle again
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From: norm@sdc.com (Norm Nithman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr,alt.cascade,alt.non.sequitur,alt.newbie,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: F***ing Cascaders again!
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:14:58 GMT
Organization: Systems Development Corporation

In article <1992Sep29.162154.13024@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>In article <92272.145700TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> <TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Hey, are we cross-posting to alt.cascade yet?
>Hey, are we composting to halt the parade yet?
Hey, are we spraying with April-fresh Glade yet?
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
Date: 28 Sep 1992 05:43:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, willijx2@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Josh Williams) says:

>It's time for the top five most hated:
>
>     1. Firehouse
>     2. Mr. Big
>     3. Poison
>     4. Warrant
>     5. Slaughter
>
>This is my list, how about yours.
>
>-- 
>^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
>Josh Williams                        Hoardes of faces, Empty eyes, I
>Purdue University                    see nothing new, Seasoned schemes
>willijx2@expert.cc.purdue.edu        of slimy curs.  -Glen Danzig
>

You forgot Bon Jovi, Winger, Cheap Trick, Nelson, and Motley Crue.

  
                                               Go ahead and flame me,
                                               Those that disagree
                                               Go ahead and wallow
                                               In mediocrity

                                               Moses, closet poet

     
-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
From: sk4u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sharon L Kutnick)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Megadeth concert?
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:11:54 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know if Megadeth is coming to Pittsburgh anytime?
Thanks,
Sharon
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal