From: shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Samit's posting; DE-STABILIZE CPI(M) NOW !!!
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:54:29
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>>>>> In article <31JUL199209550072@vax2.concordia.ca>, debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
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DC> In article <SHUBU.92Jul29200859@oporto.cs.utexas.edu>, 
DC> shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee) writes...
>...... (stuff deleted) .....
>You are still naive, Mr.Chatterjee.  You are still talking in the air.  
DC> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

DC> Yes, somewhere down the line with yours and Aditi's name on the top.

Whatever you say, Me Lord.  :-)

> 
>But yes, if it turns out that NRIs control a major portion of the financial 
>situation in West Bengal, then NRI pressure might work.  

DC> ..  a strategy NEVER
DC> is `pre-destined'. It changes with course of events and time. The bottomline
DC> remains clear: one has to DE-STABILIZE the CPI(M). My point was to get the
DC> ball rolling. O.K ?? I can only compare some practical situations where I get
DC> a comparative picture of your simple-mindedness: when you learn swimming, you
DC> don't master fluid dynamics/ Euler equations and then jump. Do you ? (Maybe
DC> these days they teach swimming unlike our times :-) ??). 

Agreed.  But swimming is a rather trivial example.  Here so much is at stake 
that we better master fluid dynamics before emerging on a revolution.  Let me 
give another example.  I am personally involved in Systems Research.  A naive
way to conduct such research is come up with *any* design, build a system 
and do it's performance analysis.  But that is a universally accepted bad
way to do it.  Because in such a case 99% of the time, it would turn out that
the system performs poorly.  You should have some definite idea as to the 
pros and cons of the theory behind the design.  In my attempt I was merely
trying to point out the merits and demerits of your design.  And because I 
had heard too much of your rattling about destabilizing the CPI(M) (which 
many of us already agree with you), I was tired of it, which might have made my 
posting a little caustic.  But yes, I repeat, many of us DO agree with you.

Now why I say too much is at stake.  Whoever is emerging in a fight against the
CPI(M) government openly should take one thing into account.  Not only your
life, but your parents' and all relative's lives would be in REAL danger.
You got to accept this and proceed.  That's why I am so cautious.  As Samit
(if I remember correctly) pointed out (and I heard this from other sources) 
CPI(M) maintains dossiers of every anti-CPI(M) activist.  You put one step into
their den, and you and your family are on their hit-list.  (If I am not 
mistaken, you have already got a taste of this, Mr.Chatterjee, haven't you?)

Agreed that strategy changes with time and place - but should we start out
with a strategy which many of us believe is not theoritically sound or rather
start out without any strategy and hope that someone will come up with
something on the way.  If that's the case, count me out.

DC> Let us analyze what you propose, instead of criticizing others. 

I am not proposing anything - because I don't know what to do in this 
situation.  I appreciate your posting.  But don't take my criticism
personally.  

Isn't it clear to you that many of us are just confused because we don't 
know what to do and are desperately seeking a way out?  Yes, I am confused 
and at times feel hopeless - but now I find that over the net 
there are many people who share my feelings.  There are people who need to 
come together and need to put their heads together.  So many questions 
puzzle me.  And I feel ashamed at the thought that we have to leave
our country to establish a career.  Why can't we do that in Bengal
itself and stay among relatives?  Doesn't that bother you Mr.Chatterjee? 
Doesn't it bother you that in order to make a career in West Bengal, you have
to sign up in the CPI(M) party.  Why?  

Partha -- what happened to the forum you were trying to create?  

DC> ALWAYS REMEMBER: MONEY TALKS. In
DC> the scenario of Indian politics (at least what I saw) MONEY is the bottomline.

Yes, agreed totally.  And that's WHAT we need.  Lots-n-lots of money 
to destabilize the Government.  That's why Hitler tried getting the backing
of the industrialists before he came to power.  Also, as Hitler used to
believe -
destabilization of the present Government alone is not going to help 
us.  Before even the CPI(M) government breaks up, we need a ready and handy
infrastructure which can take over the power immediately.  Hitler had
succeeded by doing this.  I don't believe Cong(I) to be a viable 
alternative in West Benagl.  But if the policy is to adopt the better of the 
worse, then I believe we would have to settle for Cong(I).

BTW, I am little curious.  What do people think of Mamata Banerjee?  She at 
least seems to one of the active and respected Cong(I) leaders in WB.  
Is she a viable alternative as a Chief Minister?  (Flame me if you want to
because I don't know much about her).  Looks like she is the only strong 
opposition in WB.  If that's indeed true, I doubt how long CPI(M) would
let her survive.  Already one attempt had been taken on her life.  CPI(M) is 
now trying to fake it by portraying the criminal as a lunatic.  But 
people have their doubts.  And I have my own.  In fact, Ananda Bazaar 
has already predicted Mammata Banerjee's fate along the same lines as 
Rajiv Gandhi's, unless she takes adequate security measures and stops going
out unprotected among the public.

DC> Moreover, I am NOT going to divulge my methods right away. I know that they
DC> will not be acceptable to politically to you or Aditi or many others. But I
DC> have to advise you (brotherly ?????): switch your choices.

I am skeptical about the NRI method.  But yes, if you come up with something 
and you firmly believe (based on something real and not what you think), that
that's going to work - then yes - we are with you Mr.Chatterjee. 

Wish you all the luck in your effort!
-Shubu
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