HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:32 PDT
Subject: Re: Korean diplomatic relationship with
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug22.022455.6009@news.acns.:-65322780:cdp:1473700031:000:802
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 22 08:32:00 1992



My respect to Terry's apology, I hope, his honesty won't spell trouble to him.

However, probably Korea has no choice. To some extent I can understand, why
Korea gives priority to safety for Korea by a decision, which may reduce the
safety of Taiwan. Ties between the PR China and South-Korea stabilize the
peace on the Korean peninsula.

The  w a y  to cut the ties between Korea and Taiwan is quite unfriendly though
, is  t h a t  the Korean way? It is not: Terry - I know him personally - is
a  good example for a Korean, to whom friendship is not a mere matter of daily
business. Unfortunately friendship you only can have between individuals, be-
tween countries friendship comes with a price tag. This time each Korean pays
only US$ 50. Isn't that cheap?

bye, Goetz
(a German living in Seoul)
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Open letter to Mr.Rokho Kim (2)
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:36:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <86761@netnews.upenn.edu>, dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>
> >You never explained that you made a mistake in sending your F-words to 
> >specific persons before your reply, did you? Was there anybody who knew
> >in s.c.k.?
> >I am sorry I should say you are a liar.
> Of course it was obvious that I posted the article to S.C.K. by mistake.
> If you read my second and third posts to S.C.K., you would have found that
> I was even puzzled why the post got to S.C.K. in the first place.
> Why should I explain something that is obvious? Or are you Mr.Rokho Kim SO
> DUMB THAT YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUS??!!!!

  How rude and stupid you are!  Are you calling someone else stupid
  while you didn't know where you posted your article til someone
  figured it out for you? Not to mention his verbal abuse. I pointed 
  out your mistake of posting your article in the wrong newsgroup by 
  e-mail. You sent me e-mail back asking me who posted the article 
  without your permission. And you expected me to find the guy, who 
  turned out to be you, and explained how it is posted here. Because I
  thought you are new to the net, I explained to you kindly, but you 
  didn't show me any appreciation at all. And how about readers to
  s.c.k? It is like someone come up to you and punch your face and 
  saying, "Wrong guy" without apology and expecting you to understand.
  
>
> Hey, Rokho, I said this is business between me and Woong-ki. It is none of
  
  It is not only between you and WK but also between you and s.c.k readers.
  
> your foolish business. I said I would proceed to apologise to Woong-ki .
> I meant I would apologise for the "FUCK" word I used. In any case, Mr.Woong-ki
> did not demand an apology from me so why should I apologise and who the
> F&CK are you to tell me what to do.
  
  How about posting an article with F??? and S??? to some other 
  newsgroup like clari.*.* or biz.*.announce?
  I think you wouldn't dare but let me know if you do.

> 
> You mean when I thought someone INTENTIONALLY posted my article to S.C.K.??
> Of course I would be angry if I suspect that someone INTENTIONALLY harms
> me, as i suspect you are doing now. But as I said, it would be obvious to the 
> most stupid fool that I cross-posted to S.C.K by mistake.
> 
  No, I didn't know it was cross-posted.
  And What you would you do that you make a mistake to someone
  innocent?  

> 
> And yes, it is none of your business whether I am a Chinese or not. It is
> not a racial thing or not. I just do not want to reveal this complicacy
> of chinese-blood but no Chinese-culture to others and THAT IS MY
> PRIVACY!!
> 
  Personally, I don't care about your privacy at all!
  And I want you keep it away from posting it on the net. Remember
  your previous articles 2825 and 2835.

  
Jung S. Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: New PD Korean WP ..
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:28:18 GMT

Hello guys ?

I recently came across a new public domain Korean WP called 21st Century
Word(may not be the exact name).  Since I don't have PC, I don't know much 
about this WP except I read from other person's post but it is supposed 
to have much better than A Re A HanGul 1.xx.  For your convenience, I put
this on a US site rather than a site in Korea(in fact, the site I pulled it
out is temporarily not directly accessible from the US). It's at the 
anonymous ftp site

pylos.NMSU.Edu       /incoming/21word.lzh
                               21word.readme

I wrote the readme file and it doesn't have much information about the
program, so download it and try for yourslef(I don't even know how to
uncompress .lzh files, so direct such questions to your local guru).
But you should read the readme file to avoid one possible disaster  :-)

By the way, if any of you want to upload any Korean language related
program, use the above site.  The site manager maintains some programs for
Chinese, Korean and Japanese though for Korean case they are not very up to
date.  The files may be moved to /pub/korean/, after he examines and 
thinks they belong there.

Well, I just pulled out the original post for the WP and I can add a few
more words now.  I says the WP supports graphics environment, mouse,
on-line drawing, scalable fonts, many printers, many memory extensions(EMS,
XMS and VMS).  And it is a demo version which may be sold as a commercial
product later, but for this demo version it can be freely copied and
distributed.  Ths author supposed to say it has some bugs(well, what program
hasn't ?), but the user who posted the article seems to be quite satisfied.

Good luck !
-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Gold Medal in Marathon
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:48:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In a previous article, Edward so wrote:

>are youmone of those that threw soc.culture.asian.american into insult dump?

No I am not, I have not subscribed to that newsgroup yet.

And I am not bothered by Ultra-nationalistic Koreans simply because
I am not Chinese.....I was raised in Africa, Ghana and I have African 
mentality, I just happened to be interested in Korean and Chinese culture.

Nope, you have no right to ask me to leave this newsgroup. I am hindering
anyone's freedom of speech and don't ex[ect the same  from you.
After all, isn't this newsgroup supported by money from we the
tax payers?

I have full right of access to this newsgroup. Everyone in America has 
his/her rights.

MT
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:41:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In a previous article, Mr.James Choi wrote

>You will have to ask an average person to get an average answer

Well, I thought since you knew more Koreans than I do, you will get to know
BETTER (than I do) what the average Korean thinks.
Please be more logical and clear - headed when you answer my questions.
Thank you.

>Then, why did you ask if it is similar?

Again, this is a illogaical statement.
Whay should I be Chinese to ask about similarity between Chinese and Koreans?
Its like saying I need to be Chinese to eat Chinese food.   ?????

Well, I am not Chinese. I grew up in Ghana, W.Africa
I have African mentality and culture .
That should not prevent me from asking about Chinese and Koreans because
I knew quite a few of them back home.

>Chinese soldiesrs are brave....

Well, that is in the war; every soldier has to be brave to defend their country. But the average Korean Citizen in the inner Cities of Korea is willing and
ever ready to wield UZI's; that is another thing altogether.
I do not observe such things/acts from the Taiwanese or Thai

>Are all Chinese guys not able to write their name?

I am not Chinese, thank you vey much; I would not mind being one though.
I find your language very insulting to the Chinese, and I make this
statement as an outsider. 
How many Chinese signatures have you seen; that should not prompt you to make 
such a irresposible and (again) ILLOGICAL generalization.

MT
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Additional Chinese questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:54:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi everyone,

  A while ago, someone from this group asked my why I do not freely admit
to have a Chinese heritage since (and I quote) "Chinese culture influenced
mankind in many ways" and is therefore a good one to have (my quote).

Well, I am not a kid any more. I can not CHOSE to have this culture or that
heritage; I can not easily put on a new mask whenever I chose to.

My principles are more or less solidified and I can not CHOOSE to change them.
althogh I am still confused about where I really belong to. 

I don't know much about the Chinese culture. I can not therefore CHOOSE to have
it. Not having it is not the same as NOT WANTING IT.

PLease, make that distinction.

This was written to defend myself.

Denny.

p.s. I lot of people think I deliberately created a "flame war" in this 
newsgroup.
TO those people:

 Constructive criticism and discusion , Albeit   
 heated, is necessary if  we are to move forward and grow in maturity of
thought. It causes us to re-examine previous accepted norms; it wakes us
up to critical issues we prefer to ignore before it finally blows out
of proportion; and it makes us think more critically next time we voice our
thoughts.
       
 PLEASE, make the distinction. Constructive criticism is NOT the same as
a MUD-flinging debate where the aim is to be as nasty as possible or injure the opposite party as much as possible.
Mud flinging is an intentional act.

I apologise if a hurt any one; it was UNintentional.

Denny.
From: chang@tkl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yau-Dong Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean diplomatic relationship with Chian & Taiwan
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:49:24 GMT
	<Aug.22.01.11.26.1992.2453@romulus.rutgers.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Institute of industrial science, University of Tokyo
In-reply-to: szhou@romulus.rutgers.edu's message of 22 Aug 92 05:11:26 GMT

In article <Aug.22.01.11.26.1992.2453@romulus.rutgers.edu> szhou@romulus.rutgers.edu (Shiyu Zhou) writes:

 >>Well, IMHO, I think the recent development of the relationship among
 >>mainland, S. Korea, Taiwan is making me feel funny.  Taiwan feels
					        ^^^^^
 >>really hurt upon the betrayal of Korean.  But I guess that is inevitable
 >>for mainland and S. Korea concerning their own benefits.

   ===I do not understand why you feel this thing FUNNY.
      Can you explain the reason more ?

 >>And I make another guess here.  Most of mainlanders do not read
 >>S.C.Taiwan but many Taiwanese read S.C.China, don't they?
 >>If the above is true, I think the  reason is Taiwanese regard
 >>themselves as Chinese.
 >>

   ====Again, I do not know why "Taiwanese reading S.C.C" can infer to
       "Taiwanese regard themselves as Chinese".

 >>I hope Korean and Taiwanese will maintain good relationship except
 >>politically.
 >>

   ====I think it will be.

================================================================
chang@tkl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp	 |  Yau-dong Chang
2nd. grade of Doctoral Course    |  3 Dept. Takagi Lab.
Dept. of Electronic Engineering  |  Institute of Industrial Science
				 |  Univ. of Tokyo.
 7-22-1, Roppongi, Minato-Ku     |  Tel:+81 3-3402-6231 ex.2643
 TOKYO 106, JAPAN		 |  Fax:+81 3-3423-2834

				 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:21:56 GMT

In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>
>I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
>soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
>	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.
>
>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

Of course there is a long history of Chinese Dynasties' interference
in Korea.  The earliest I remember is during the 7th century, the 1st
3 Kingdom period in Korea, 2 of the Kingdoms allied against the 3rd
one, the 3rd kingdom requested help from the Tang Dynasty, after
decades of on and off war, the Alliance of Tang and the 3rd Korean
kingdom defeated the other two kingdom and their Japanese Reinforcements.
but Tang dynasty did withdraw all its troops after the unification of Korea.   

A lot of times Korean Kings were only "vessel" of Chinese Emperors
in name, besides the annual tributes and return gifts between the
two China don't control anything in Korea:  there was no Chinese
troops there, no taxes collect for the emperor's treasury, no colonization
settlements of Chinese, nobody is forced to learn Chinese, korea was
an independent kingdom with its own army and dynasty, never a province
of China, there was hardly any similarity to the period when Japanese
annexed Korea when Koreans are governed by Japanese Governors.   
Ok, I do admit the Emperors are always beauty seeking
sex-maniacs.  :-)  Particularly the 3rd Emperor of Ming Dynasty(and some
of his descendents) had this thing for korean women, who certainly 
became very infamous in korea.  I admit this a very shameful crime
of the Chinese rulers.    

Don't forget without the troops from Ming Dynasty, it will be very
hard for Korea to fight of the Japanese invasion in late 1500s, they
had captured most of the major cities already before Ming Dynasty
entered the war.
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:43:41 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

This is in response to Mr.S.H.KIm's posing:

>Human beings and/or society is not that easy to subject to scientific method

Right. But scientific methods are applied nevertheless to society and with
success; that is why we have social sciences like economics and psycology,
right?

You see, although  some people are different some times, not all people are 
different all the time. In other words, theories proposed by these 
social sciences predict to a satisfactory degree what the
"AVERAGE" person will do given the conditions.

The economists predicts that when prices fall, people tend to buy more.
Although a few qeer individuals will rather buy less (due to whatever reasons
like status problems etc), on the whole, more people will buy more when
the prices fall.

I really think I can apply scientific tools to society.

And I don't think  Mr.Rokho Kim does the same thing I do....

I do not assume that I am right in the first place.
I am willing to change my pre-conception through the process of
re-thinking and discussion.

My impression about Mr.Kim is that he is not a very scientific person
and is deeply entrenched in his own thoughts.

Denny,.
From: ajun@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Alexander W. Jun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: iyagi help????
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:07:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I need some help from Korean Word Processor Gurus out there...

I have been using 'are a Hangul' and very happy with it.
From the discussion, which I have not been following very closely, I
got to know about this 'Iyagi' from Kaist.
Consequently, I have ftp trensfered what seems to be font files and
excutable files from kum.kaist.ac.kr.  But most of them are compressed
and there is no READ.ME file to describe files.   

If any of you have succesfully understood the program and use it, please
explain to me some of the things so that I can run this program.
  1.  Is it Unix based, or DOS based ?
  2.  Can this be run on PC ?
  3.  Necessary files ?
  4.  Laserprinter supported ?
  5.  Does it run with English based command or Korean based command ?
  6.  Any hints/short cuts ?
  7.  Any other things that I should know about ?

Thanks you in advance.  Your help would be greatly appreciated.

      =======        ajun@gn.ecn.purdue.edu  -------  :   ---   :  -----  : 
  == ........ ===    317-494-9164  463-1474    / \    :  :   :  :      /  :  
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  == ........ ===    alexander w. Jun
      =======      school of aeroheads, purduniversity
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:09:18 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

What is wrong with forming hypothesis and testing with experiments and measurements?

Mr.S.Kim makes it sound quite unattractive!
(That is my opinion) 

Would you , Sir acre to elaborate on that??

The theory I used as an example may not be derived from science

(Well, that is what you, a professor in economics, says; I can not contest that since I am not a professor like you are in econimics)

But that does not mean all theories in economics are not derived
scientifically?

Economists collect data, plot graphs, analyse data etc.
All these are Scientific methods, aren't they???

When I say we can apply scientific methods to society, I am thinking about
psychology, and the other other social sciences

WHAT was so un-scientific about that statement????? 
PLease, Sir , support your statement with illustrations and/or diagrams.

Denny.

 
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From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: KCIA
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:23:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>
>BTW, Mr. Han N. Kim, what is KCIA?  I am on this net group only two weeks.
>Would you tell me more about this?

One of these days I am going to find that !@#$% who
set it up so that I can't remove that N. in my non-existant
middle name with chfn... ARGHHHHHH!

whew! that felt good.

Anyway, KCIA stands for Korean Coalition of individualists and aethists.

I'm not an aethist.
-han
From: tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: msdos based korean wp
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:11:27 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <55448.22592518@kcbbs.gen.nz> Brendan_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Brendan Laing) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Could somebody please mail me details of an ftp site that has msdos 
>based Korean wordprocessor...
> 
>Thanks in advance...
> 
>See Ya

Me, too, please.

Thanks...
--
Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW, tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf
Mandlebratwurst: The Meal that Eats Itself!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:22:53 GMT



In article <1992Aug20.211923.10986@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> I don't interact in newsgroups where there are excessive numbers of
> Chinese-cu.  I can't stomach stupidity, bigotry, cruelty [especially
> towards children], deceitfulness, and all-around mental masturbations
> for very long.
> 


What are Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge, may I ask?

I remember reading a book by a Japanese writer (I can't remeber his name,
he used to write detective stories) on the atrocities of the Japanese army
in China during WWII about 10 years ago. According to the author and the
people he supposedly interviewed (who were army personnel and their families),
the Japanese army, together with some scientists, supposedly performed some
horrific experiments on humans (who were Chinese, of course). For instance,
there were references to the intentional exposure of pregnant women to 
syphillis to monitor the effect of the disease on the foetus. I would not
go into detail how the foetus were supposedly removed for examination. 
There were also evidences on other bacterial and chemical experiments, all
performed on live human specimens. What disturbs me most is the accusation
that the USA, after the war, bagged all the records of these experiments.

The author also mentioned war brothels in his book. It is only recently 
the fact that Korean women were forced to become war prostitutes was
officially acknowledged by the Japanese authorities as I saw a newsclip 
on TV a few months ago. With inference, could there be some truth in what 
the author wrote about the human experiments?

As to the soft treatment on Japan by the USA after the war, it may be due
to guilt conscience. Apparently, the Japanese Emperor had hinted for an
honourable surrender to President Rooselvelt before the bombing of Nagasaki
and Hiroshima.

I could be erroneously informed on all acounts and I wish some learned and
widel-read netters could shed some light. Thanks.

Mun Li
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:00:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug19.30115.25667@ms.uky.edu>, borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
> news@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
> >Still hope all of the Japanese be like you and be brave to face
> >their dark history.  
> 
> >                                    Kim  from Korea.
> >.
> 
> Interesting point. The truth is obvious. The need is clear. It should not
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> take a brave man to face it, as it is EXPECTED. Any that does not is a
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> *COWARD* and should apologize for it the old-fashioned way..
  ^^^^^^^^

You must be kidding. The truth is often the most people hide from.



Jung S. Lee

junglee@rucs-admin.rutgers.edu
junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean