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From: connolly@convex.com (Dan Connolly)
Subject: Re: MIME and WWW?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:37:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov15.075116.22534@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>
>Anyone aware of any work being done to allow WWW (well, Viola in particular)
>aware of the MIME format info?  Right now Viola is a hypertext presentation
>format which can wander thru the internet zones presenting text, graphics, etc.
>Gopher, WAIS, NNTP seem to be being investigated or integrated - just curious
>about MIME.  Now if there were only a Unix based HGML editor...

Just to clarify: WWW, the World Wide Web, is a global hypertext project
that defines a hypertext data format (HTML, the HyperText Markup
Language), an addressing scheme that makes FTP, WAIS, gopher, NNTP, and HTTP
(their own protocol) objects addressable, and provides some client and
server software.

Viola is a multimedia authoring environment ala HyperCard. Pei Wei implemented
a WWW client (browser) using Viola. I hear it's nifty.

The Gopher, WWW, and WAIS systems interoperate to some extent: you can
send plain text files between them pretty easily. So we have the
beginning of a global hypertext system.

There are various pilot projects to incorporate multimedia into these
projects: several WAIS and Gopher servers offer GIF images and the like.

But these pilot projects usually consist of a specially modified client
and server for each data type. For example, you can grab a special
Gopher server configured to handle PICT files on a Mac, and if you
have the associated special client, they can communicate.

I think some folks have done the same thing for WAIS. But you can't
point the pict-capable gopher client at the pict-capable WAIS server
and expect good results.

I have suggested to all of these groups that they use MIME as a substrate
to bring the level of interoperability from plain text to multimedia,
in order to turn this global hypertext system into a global
hypermedia system.

The WAIS project seems willing to obsolete its type system ("TEXT"
"GIF" etc.) in favor of the MIME type system ("text/plain" "image/gif"
etc.). If the gopher and WWW projects do the same, we will
be on our way...

By the way: there is a lot of damage that can be done by talking
about "MIME format" carelessly. Lots of folks will think that
gif images have to be encoded, and they have to add special headers
and stuff to translate their data to "MIME format." Those restrictions
only apply to the message/rfc-822 content type.

The MIME typing system is completely orthogonal to the transport
issues of RFC-822 mail messages.

For example, on an appropriately configured system, you could
invoke:

% metamail -b -c "image/gif" corvette.gif

or

% metamail -b -c "application/postscript" rfc-822.ps

where corvette.gif is a normal GIF file, and rfc-822.ps
is a normal postscript file, and the files would be
displayed by the appropriate utilities.

Dan
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MIME, elm and CURSES
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:05:35 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

I would very much appreciate a set of pointers, or actual code/packages.

I'd like the rest of what is required to implement MIME in a CURSES
based environment. The User Agent is elm 2.4 and I've got it all well
groked. 

What I need is a mailcap file, and the related programs used to
compose, display, and otherwise manipulate MIME complex multi-part
mail.

I'm sure a lot of people are working on this, or have already done so.
I'd like to benefit from your efforts (with my heartfelt gratitude)

What I think should be available is automatic display of richtext and
other CURSES ammenable formats, and prompted saving to a file, or
skipping of non displayable body parts.

At the very least, can anyone point me to a set of CURSES based viewers
than can be used to display diferent character sets, and richtext?

Thanks!

Oh, and I can't find the postscript RFC-1432
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elmrc complaint
Date: 21 Nov 1992 13:28:32 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage) writes:
>I have a problem with the way elm builds the elmrc file.  It is
>hardcoding in the path to the user's directory instead of using
>$HOME or ~ or something.  As a consequence, when that user's home
>directory is moved (as we are having to do), everything goes to
>hell.  Every time they run, it wants to create the .elm directory
>in the OLD directory and refuses to accept the = operator in a
>folder name.  Could this be fixed in a later patch, or is there
>some way of coercing the existing system to behave itself?
With out mentioning what version, it sounds like an older one.
2.4 is very content to use $HOME or ~ if you used $HOME or ~
in the original.
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From: little@carina.hks.com (Jim Littlefield)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Running elm via rsh ?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:05:46 GMT
Organization: Hibbitt, Karlsson & Sorenson, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.hks.com
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David Sanner (sanner@track.physics.usfca.edu) wrote:
: 
: Does anyone know how to get elm to work via rsh or
: know of some other way.  Thanks.
: 
I had the same problem. The solution was to fire up an xterm which would run
ELM:

   rsh -n remotemachine xterm -display mymachine:0.0 -e elm -t &

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From: nadeau@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Nadeau Jean-Claude)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4 Patch 11 Problems
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:27:10 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Nov18.194401.6768@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> mikeg@asylum.tmc.edu (Michael Grabenstein) writes:
>	I just installed elm 2.4 P11 on my Apollo running 
>	v10.3. When I type "elm" I get this message:
>Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/spool/mail/".
>	but my /usr/spool/mail looks like this:
>drwxrwxr-x   3 bin      mail         4096 Nov 18 14:00 //endgame/usr/spool/mail
>	And my /usr/local/bin/elm looks like this:
>-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mail       422888 Nov 18 12:06 /usr/local/bin/elm
>
>	Anyone else have this problem? got any ideas? Thanks :-).
>later,
>	Mike
>	mikeg@asylum.gsfc.nasa.gov
>	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu

	I got exactly the same problem on my Apollo DN3500 (Domain/OS 10.3)
	with Elm 2.4 PL0.  Since this is not an urgent project (Elm 2.3
	runs well ;-) I haven't take the time to look at it yet.  If
	someone find the answer, I'll be glad to thank and to use it.
	Else I will work on that in the next weeks and will also
	be glad to give my little contribution.



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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Newmbox-length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:11:06 GMT

bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson) writes:
>If mime support is not being built in, why care about the Content at all ???

because many sites that honor it, no longer escape imbeeded "From " lines.
Thus the content-length is needed to determine message seperation.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,alt.amateur-comp
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 PL 8 Problems
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:57:38 GMT


In a previous article, rstory@elegant.com (Robert Story) says:

>In article <34033@adm.brl.mil> maschepe@thama1.apgea.army.mil (Michael A. Schepers) writes:
>> Hi,
>> 
>>      I just downloaded a copy of the latest version of ELM.  This is
>>      version 2.4 with several patches included.  I have been able to
>>      successfully install this version up to patch level 6 without and
>>      real problems.  However, when I try to implement PL 7 and 8, I get
>>      errors.  The binaries compile successfully, but the "elm" binary
>>      gets an error when I execute it.
>> 
>>           Reading in /u/ir/maschepe/mailbox, message: 203
>>           newmbox - length of mbox. != spool mailbox length!!
>> 
>>           Write to temp file failed, exiting leaving mailbox intact!
>> 
>>      Elm 2.4 PL8 works fine with an empty mail folder at startup, but
>>      will bomb if your default mailbox contains more than a few
>>      messages.
>> 
>>      Currently I am using MMDF as my Mail Transport Agent on a Pyramid
>>      running OSx5.1a.  If anyone has any suggestions, I welcome your
>>      input.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Michael Schepers               
>> Potomac Research, Inc.        
>> maschepe@thama1.apgea.army.mil
>> 
>
>Yes, I experience the same on SCO Unix using mmdf BUT not on an AIX
>system.  Perhaps the common thread is mmdf!?
>
>-Robert.
>

Can someone explain what mmdf is? I am having the same problem at 
my ronda@umcc.ais.org  email site and it hasn't been acknowledged
as the result of a bug there yet.

Someone else suggested that the problem had to do with an 
"embedded content length header" which Elm had trouble dealing with.

It doesn't seem that the existence of this bug is being taken very 
seriously in general but it caused me real trouble and hours
of trying to deal with the damage it did and I still haven't 
been able to recover from the problems it has caused :( 

So it is especially frustrating that it doesn't seem that it is 
being dealt with as the real bug that it is.


>
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From: erisande@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kryst the Philosopher)
Subject: Re: Saving Sent Mail
Organization: Quitters Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:31:40 GMT

erisande@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kryst the Philosopher)
>	Why is it that when I send my sent mail to the sent directory,
>it doesn't do what it is told to do.  Instead, if I send a message to
>'x' and there is an 'x' folder, then it puts the sent message in the
>'x' folder.  Is there any way I can make it ALWAYS send to the sent
>directory?
>		Email please...			Thanks...
>

	I am replying to this message to give you a better idea of
what I mean...  This was the best I could come up with...

> 	Well, not quite...
> 	See, if I make savename off, then it doesn't automatically
> enter in the username for me when I save a received letter.
> 	But it still saves my sent mail to their folder if I send to
> them, and I don't want that.  I want the sent mail to go to sent, but
> it only does if I DON'T have a folder.  Any guesses?

	There...  better, eh?  If you can help, please email!
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From: scott@fokker.union.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: elmrc complaint
Organization: Indiana University, UCS Support Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:21:17 GMT

cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage) writes:
>Actually, my complaint about the hardcoded pathnames in the elmrc
>file stems right from 2.4.11, so it's not the version number.  elm
>may be perfectly happy to use $HOME, but it's not creating the files
>that way.  I DEFINITELY don't want to have to edit all the elmrc files
>by hand (or spend almost as much time writing a script to do it for me).
>I want a way to convince elm to create the file with ~ or $HOME right
>off the bat.

Perhaps you should suggest that the users' environment reflect
something pathwise that *doesn't* change?  Elm only uses what it's
given.  The machines around my neck of the woods make sure that
/u/<user> always works (by virtue of symbolic links).

-Scott
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: elmrc complaint
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:38:01 GMT

I have a problem with the way elm builds the elmrc file.  It is
hardcoding in the path to the user's directory instead of using
$HOME or ~ or something.  As a consequence, when that user's home
directory is moved (as we are having to do), everything goes to
hell.  Every time they run, it wants to create the .elm directory
in the OLD directory and refuses to accept the = operator in a
folder name.  Could this be fixed in a later patch, or is there
some way of coercing the existing system to behave itself?

Feel free to respond by mail, but the From: line is INCORRECT!
Reply will NOT work.  Please reply directly to the address below.

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From: rao@cse.uta.edu (Rao Venkatesh Simha)
Subject: Permissions on MAIL directory... URGENT!
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:19:33 GMT

	
	Hi,
		I compiled elm2.4 on both Sun stations and HP's. I
HAVE to set 'rwx' permissions for the Owner, Group and Other fields for
the mail directory ie. /usr/spool/mail in case of SUNs. Further
individual user mailboxes in the /usr/spool/mail/ directory have 'rw'
for Owner ONLY. This  prevents others from peeking into one's mail.
BUT, one could just delete the whole mail directory i.e
/usr/spool/mail/ because of the permissions. 
		NOW, I would like to set mail directory to 755 or 775.
If I do it I get a message saying :

Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/spool/mail/".

	Kindly tell me (ASAP) what I need to do to have /usr/spool/mail/ with
775 or 755 permissions.
Thanks in advance,

Rao.

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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elmrc file not updated with latest PL
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:43:45 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher) writes:
>I maintain ELM on two systems: a SPARCstation 1+ running SunOS 4.1.1
>and an Elxsi 6400 running 4.3BSD.  I noticed that on the Sun that the
>elmrc file specifically says PL11, whereas the Elxsi has not been
>updated.  Does anyone have a clue as to why that might be?  No error
>messages pop during installation or use.  I think that this has been
>happening for sometime as the elmrc file was not updated even when I
>went from 2.3 PL11 to 2.4.  Apparently the Sun does things correctly.
There is no reason you elmrc file has to be of the current version,
I'd only save it if:
1. you are getting 'obsolete option' errors
2. your options change

mine is very only.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ivan@ph.albany.edu (Ivan Auger)
Subject: Configure - elm 2.4 pl11 - problem under Sunos 4.1.2
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:43:06 GMT

When executing Configure, I get the following message:

If you didn't make any mistakes, then just type a carriage return here.
If you need to edit config.sh, do it as a shell escape here: ./Configure: UU/myread: not found

Ivan Auger
ivan@stat.ph.albany.edu

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From: xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams)
Subject: elm2.4PL10 vs xterm
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:33:37 GMT

elm 2.4PL10 has problems on two page vt100 terminals like xterm on SunOs
4.1.2.  Some messages like the 'you are already in elm' message are
printed on the second page and then the first if fliped back when elm
exits.  This causes the user to never see the message.  This also
happens for the /tmp/mbox.user file already exists error message.

Chad Adams
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From: rstory@elegant.com (Robert Story)
Subject: Re: Newmbox-length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:54:27 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc.

In article <1eaeraINNa9@multix.multix.no> aras@multix.no (Arne Asplem) writes:
> In article <yDF=lV@engin.umich.edu>, ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
> > I am still having trouble with all this as well.
> > 
> > I got a note from a bug report to DSI which said that the problem
> > only happened on spools with defective Content-Length headers.
> > 
> > Does anyone know that means and how to deal with the problem?
> >        ronda 
> > 
> > Steve Lodin (swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm experiencing the same problems. I have elm2.3 pl11 running on the
> server, and 2.4 pl8 on my workstation. /usr/mail is exported from the
> file server, and from time to time I get the "Newmbox-length of mbox != 
> spool mailbox length!" error message when starting 2.4 on my workstation.
> If I rlogin to the server and starts 2.3 it works fine !
> 
>   -- Arne
> 
> PS: I'm running ISC SVR3.2 V3.01
> 
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I did a diff, when I got this message, on the spool file and the temp
copy.  Half way through, a one line message had its body duplicated.
(ie: the one line was written twice).  This is a problem that only
begins with with Elm 2.4 PL7.  And it only occurs when duplicating the
spool file.  Moving the spool file to be another folder and changing
to it, Elm does not have this problem.

This is on SCO Unix 3.2.2 using MMDF.  I do not experience this
problem on our AIX 3.1 system.

-Robert.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cheewai@uxmail.ust.hk (Yeung Chee Wai)
Subject: elm 2.4 up to which patch?
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:13:39 GMT

I just read news and noticed that someone is already asking questions
about elm2.4PL10. I am now curious at what patch elm2.4 is up to. More
importantly, my last post already mentioned that Patches 7 and 8 do
not work with Patches 5 and 6 which I got from a site in UK. So I would
like to know what "official" patch elm2.4 is up to.

Thanks

Chee Wai
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From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Subject: Re: Date-Bug in elm2.4.10 - NeXT users read this !
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:48:58 GMT
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn
Keywords: elm,Date-Header

hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) writes:
I wrote:

>the patches for PL9 and PL10 introduce an Bug in the handling of the
>Date-Header Line. 

>PL10 produces this one, which seems very mystical:
>  Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:04:47 -36803936 (GMT+0100)

I forgot to mention that this is on a NeXT running NeXTStep 3.0

The solution to fix the problem is to edit config.sh: set d_tzname
to undef.

Also NeXT Users should set d_bsd from undef to defined.


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From: johannes@ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de (Johannes Viegener)
Subject: Re: xterm display troubles on AIX 3.2
Keywords: RS-6000 xterm display help
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:04:22 GMT

There are two solutions for this problem:

The first one which works for us is the same which we used
for elm 2.3:

  At the end of the configuration process the script asks
  if you want to edit the configuration. Make a shell escape
  here and open an editor on the file 'config.sh', search
  for a line with: "termlib='-ltermlib'" in it and change this
  line to :"termlib='-lcurses'". Exit the shell and run make.
  On our machines (all running AIX 3.2.0) the display is
  correct for xterm.

The second one is to write a working /etc/termcap-entry for
xterm. I never tried this, but it seems obvious to me, that
the problem would be solved with a correct termcap-entry.


Hope this helps,    Johannes
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From: bobby@dc.dk (Bobby Billingsley)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4 Patch 11 Problems
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:44:49 GMT
Organization: Datacentralen A/S

mikeg@asylum.tmc.edu (Michael Grabenstein) writes:

>	I just installed elm 2.4 P11 on my Apollo running 
>	v10.3. When I type "elm" I get this message:
>Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/spool/mail/".
>	but my /usr/spool/mail looks like this:
>drwxrwxr-x   3 bin      mail         4096 Nov 18 14:00 //endgame/usr/spool/mail
>	And my /usr/local/bin/elm looks like this:
>-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mail       422888 Nov 18 12:06 /usr/local/bin/elm

>	Anyone else have this problem? got any ideas? Thanks :-).
>later,
>	Mike
>	mikeg@asylum.gsfc.nasa.gov
>	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu
I got the same on an ULTRIX 4.2 box.

drwxrwxr-t  2 root     system       1024 Nov 19 14:11 /usr/spool/mail
-rwxr-sr-x  1 root     system     647292 Nov 18 12:41 elm

No ideas yet.

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