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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Practicing with headphones
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:38:19 GMT

In <1992Nov11.065414.18338@leland.Stanford.EDU> whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:

>the speaker is... Now think about how the preamp is designed to sound good
>driving headphones, and figure out how it's going to drive a 15" speaker.

Excuse me???

You CAN have a preamp that sounds good via both headphones and a nice
poweramp+speaker.  It has NOTHING to do with the size difference.
Only, to get good sound by headphones (for bass practice) you have to
have GOOD and preferably closed headphones, so that the small speaker
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: keresztesy_mark@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Mark Keresztesy)
Subject: Blues.regae.tabs.requested
Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:47:37 GMT

I'm interested in some new bass patterns.  If anyone has any progressions that
are interesting that they would like to share, send me e-mail or post them.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk)
Subject: Do I have the honour to post the first article here??
Organization: Philips Communication & Processing Services
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:26:48 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Well, at least at this side of the world I do...

I wonder what the purpose of this group is. Does this group replace the former
alt.bass group, or is it, just like alt.guitar.bass, reserved for bass guitar?
And what do all fellow bass guitar players do, is this the new place to be or
are we gonna stay at alt.guitar.bass ?

Not the most interesting questions one can ask, but I was just wondering, and
this gave me the opportunety to write the first article :-}

Anyway, welcome all ye...

Oscar

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,alt.music.makers.guitar.tab
From: webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill)
Subject: Linus-N-Lucy:BTAB
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:13:40 GMT


	Ok all, here it is for your bass-enjoyment.  The linus and
Lucy theme as played by Stu Hamm.
	A couple of notes:  all of the G-string notes are played with
the right hand.  Except for the part marked "Slap".  The little `---'
things under the measures are ties.  Sorry about the G-String tab being
so close together.  Any other questions, feel free to mail me.

							Webb
+-------------------------------+---------------+-------------------------+
|   ___    ____                 | Factor Hartke | webb@chopin.udel.edu    | 
|  (   `--'  .-'         ___    |  Samson GHS   | Webb Pickersgill        | 
|  |8) O O  ||||||||||||||[_-~) | Ibanez A.R.T. | (302) 837-1861          | 
|  (__.--.__| Kubicki Factor    |   Digitech    | Bassist For:Seven Wishes|
+-------------------------------+---------------+-------------------------+
	                     LINUS AND LUCY

+------------------|----------------|-------------------|---------------+
|-----5-----5------|----------------|-----5-----5-------|---------------|
|---5-----5--------|---5-7---5-7----|---5-----5---------|---5-7---5-7---|
+-3-----3--------3-|-3-----3------3-|-3-----3---------3-|-3-----3-----3-+
--'              `---'            `---'               `---'           `---

+-121416--161412-14|14-----12-----12|-121416--16--------|---------------+
|-----5-----5------|----------------|-----5-----5-------|---------------|
|---5-----5--------|---5-7---5-7----|---5-----5---------|---5-7---5-7---|
+-3-----3--------3-|-3-----3------3-|-3-----3---------3-|-3-----3-----3-+
--'              `---'            `---'               `---'           `---

+-121416--161412-14|14-----12-----12|-12----1414--------|---------------+
|-----5-----5------|----------------|-----8-----8-------|---------------|
|---5-----5--------|---5-7---5-7----|---8-----8---------|---8-10--8-10--|
+-3-----3--------3-|-3-----3------6-|-6-----6---------6-|-6-----6-----3-+
--'              `---'            `---'               `---'           `---

+-12----1414-------|----------------|-5---5---5---7-----+
|-----5-----5------|----------------|-5---5---5---7-----|
|---5-----5--------|---5-7---5-7----|-3---3---3---5-----|
+-3-----3--------3-|-3-----3------3-|-------------------+
--'              `---'              Slap:         

+-12----------12----------12------------|-5---5---5---7----------+
|-12/14-14-14-12/14-14-14-12/14-14-14---|-5---5---5---7----------|
|---------------------------------------|-3---3---3---5----------|
+-------------------------------------3-|------------------------+

+-12----------12----------12------------+
|-12/14-14-14-12/14-14-14-12/14-14-14---|
|---------------------------------------|
+-------------------------------------3-+
                                      `---


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: rp@cs.brown.edu (Ron Papka)
Subject: Re: 69 P-bass truss rod question.
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:56:44 GMT

In article <7560@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, alh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Al Hooton) writes:
|> 
|> 	If I have the neck off, and I'm looking at the heel of the neck,
|> 	the truss rod adjustment is right there.  Looking at it this
|> 	way, which way do I turn the adjustor to *reduce* relief, and
|> 	thereby have a flatter fingerboard?
|> 
|> 	I think the correct answer is clockwise.  Do any of you out
|> there have experience doing this with an older P-bass, and know the
|> answer with confidence?  I'd really appreciate it before I tear into
|> my *only* bass!
|> 


At one point in a bassist's life s/he must get their hands dirty and figure out
how to adjust his/her bass's neck.  My suggestion is: 

	1)Adjust it and put the thing back together.
	2)If the action is higher, you goofed, adjust the other way.
	3)Try to remember which way you adjusted, but the chances of
          remembering that are pretty small, so draw an arrow on the neck.

The other thing is the amount of adjustment.  After figuring out the direction,
try figuring out how much in that direction. Don't over do it, or you'll buzz, and
really be bummed!

Good luck, and don't worry about it, you can always take it to the music store.

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Practicing with headphones
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.050911.17803@sequent.com> gsmith@sequent.com (Greg Smith) writes:
>Any comments on the various headphone practice amps? I know of the Rockman,

The Rockman bass version isn't being made anymore, which should tell you
what you need to know.

My impression of headphone amps is that they all kinda suck, but I don't
have particular experience with the Bass Pak to say for sure. But think
about it: look inside the ear of your headphones and think about how big
the speaker is... Now think about how the preamp is designed to sound good
driving headphones, and figure out how it's going to drive a 15" speaker.
Won't be pleasant... :)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: manitp@jec328.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.)
Subject: Pickup question- I think?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:23:48 GMT

Hey;

I have a problem/question. I like a REALLY trebly bass sound
(contradiction? I think NOT!).  Something like Chris Squire circa Fragile
or Geddy Lee circa Moving Pictures- really forward in the sound mix
with mucho punch that makes the bass part of the song......  not just
some nebulous thing smoothing out the low frequencies.  In other
words.....  I turned the tone knob to 11 and broke it off.  Problem is
this- to get the sound I want I have to put with a TON of extraneous
noise.  What should I do?  Should I get humbuckers?  (bear in mind,
I've been playing about 3 months and don't really know the ins and outs
of equipment yet.)

		Thanks in advance

-- 
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88 14th st.                              |        Christ, to die is
Troy NY, 12180                           |        gain!"   (manitp@rpi.edu) 
" Don't even think of copying this! The band NEEDS money! " -Fluffy
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: bobdavis@mighty.viewlogic.com (Bob Davis)
Subject: Re: Practicing with headphones
Originator: bobdavis@mighty
Keywords: practice, headphones
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:24:38 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.134859.27589@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, rost@rgb.dec.com
(My name is Brian Rost) writes:
|> ...
|> I personally find ALL headphone amps a compromise soundwise, so I'd say buy the
|> cheapest one you can live with.  Just my $0.02.

I'm with Brian on the "headphone amps".  Not only are the instrument
amplification sections poor, but so are the headphone amps, headphones,
and the cassette players.  You probably already have a CD player and/or
a decent cassette deck, and headphones, so why force yourself to use
their cheapo cassette player and those joke headphones?  The build quality
(not) of these units guarantees they won't work after a year or two as well.

A really great sounding alternative is the Mackie 1202 mixer.  It costs
$300-350, but it's a really useful item to have for small gigs and 
rehearsals.  IMHO this is money much better spent in the long run.
Besides, it really sounds good.  If you can pick up a used
whatever-you-please mixer for low bucks, that'll also work, and will be
price competitive with the "bass" boxes as well.

Specifically, use a channel for bass (eq to taste), and an aux return
for your music/drum machine/metronome (or whatever else you practice
with).  If you sing while playing, by george, stick in you fav mic and
there you go.  You can also record, use effects sends and all those other
marvelous options real mixers provide.  For example, "channel insert"
a compressor or whatever on your bass input.  Try that with "bogus bass
box-o-rama # 17". :-)

The mackie has a real headphone amp, which will sound excellent, as loud
as you please, on various headphones, such as Beyer (990, 990pro), Sony
MDR-6, AKG(140,240,280 or whatever), etc.  Try headphones on bass before
you buy; many will overload with normal bass levels in the low register.
-- 
Bob Davis -- bobdavis@viewlogic.com
"VISUALIZE WHIRLED PEAS"
From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: small amps
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:13:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Nov11.001345.1136
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Oregon


I have an old Harmony which I picked up used for $100; it sounds kind of
muddy and has problems keeping up with a set of drums, but it works well with
acoustic instruments.

I've played a number of acoustic bass guitars, but I haven't yet found one
under $1K whose sound I could bear.

	NT
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: fenster@cs.columbia.edu (Sam Fenster)
Subject: Re: Small amps
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:49:04 GMT


I recently bought a Washburn acoustic bass guitar, of the sort you
often see on "MTV Unplugged."  With no amp, it's loud enough to be
heard with an acoustic guitar.  Plugged into an amp, it sounds better
than low-cost solid-body basses.  It cost me $585.

It delivers a fine bass sound when I plug it into my small Gorilla
guitar amp.  Before discovering this, I investigated tiny bass amps; I
think there's only one cheap, good-sounding one: a Peavey
("microBass," I think), which is $220 or so.
From: CA.JNL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joshua Loftus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Wanted: Opinions on Carvin
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:30:43 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu


I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has played on a Carvin
el.bass; I'm beginning to suspect that the owners of Bass Player
Magazine also own a large share of Carvin Inc.... ;-).

Please tell me any pros and cons, esp compared to whatever bass you
were or are playing instead and esp if you've played a Carvin
fretless.

Thanks!

Josh
ca.jnl@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Chapman sticks
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:52:29 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

I've been thinking about trying out a Chapman Stick but no one in Milwaukee
carries these gems.  Does anyone know of a music store in Wisconsin or
Illinois that carries these?  I would imagine SOMEone in Chicago does but
there's tons of music stores in the Chicago area.


______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Kubicki Factor Bass Source 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:57:26 GMT

1993 BP Buyer's Guide sez:

Kubicki				Stick Enterprises  (Chapman Stick)
720 Bond Ave.			6011 Woodlake Avenue
Santa Barbara, CA 93103		Woodland Hills CA  91376
805-963-6703			818-884-2001

A phone call should put you in touch with the nearest dealer.



-- 
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I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: laser6@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Small amp advice wanted.
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:14:54 GMT

A few weeks ago I was initiated to thw world of bass by playing on my friends 
Hondo Fame 2800 which he bought for $50. I went out and bought a semi-decent
used starter Bass (Yamaha BB300) and now I'm looking for an amp since I've 
grown tired of the scuzzy sounds I'm getting from running through the mic
inputs on my tape deck. 

I was looking for something to practice on in my basement, I don't need to 
overpower a band, although I'd like to be able to use it when I get better
with a band without upgrading too fast. I was looking at either the Fender 
R.A.D. Bass or the Peavy Minx amp. What are your feelings on these amps? 
Could I do better for the same price range?
 
 Thanks... 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Small amps
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 NOV 92 09:11:28    


In article <1992Nov12.193521.1483@news.duc.auburn.edu>, kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan) writes...
>The moral is there are no shortcuts.  

There is exactly *one* shortcut: Find a small but high performance cab and mate
it with a small but powerful amp head.  I know I'm in the minority here in not
liking cabs with 10s (too harsh for me, I guess I like the "mud" of 15s), but I
do use a single 12" that's smaller than any 2-10 I've ever seen and kicks butt
if you have some power behind it (like over 200 watts).  It's small but not
*light* (good speakers have heavy magnets).  

When using the same cab with lower power amps I get a similar tone but the
dynamics suffer.  If you like a compressed sound, you don't need lots of power
but if you like dynamics, a high-powered amp is really the key.  But it aint
cheap, there are lots of compact, light amp heads with lots of oomph (GK, SWR,
Hartke, Woods, etc.) but none are really cheap.  

Large speaker cabs with lots of drivers really only get useful when you need to
fill more space...they move more air and disperse the sound better. Tonally
having extra speakers doesn't add much other than acoustical efficiency
(especially in the low end).

It's funny, I started out playing a tiny practice amp and progressed to bigger
and bigger rigs (I even owned one of those oddball Bassman 100 cabs mentioned)
but finally went back to smaller rigs.  Actually the head and 1-12 I use now is
a smaller setup than the Univox piece-of-crap I started with.  It sounds
better, but it should at about ten times the price!


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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	*  my employer.					   *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Pickup question- I think?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: 11 NOV 92 17:02:09    


In article <a-q1bt=@rpi.edu>, manitp@jec328.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.) writes...
>Hey;
> 
>I have a problem/question. I like a REALLY trebly bass sound
>(contradiction? I think NOT!).  Something like Chris Squire circa Fragile
>or Geddy Lee circa Moving Pictures- really forward in the sound mix
>with mucho punch that makes the bass part of the song......  not just
>some nebulous thing smoothing out the low frequencies.  In other
>words.....  I turned the tone knob to 11 and broke it off.  Problem is
>this- to get the sound I want I have to put with a TON of extraneous
>noise.  What should I do?  Should I get humbuckers?  

First, get an amp that is *quiet*.  Get a speaker cab that puts out plenty of
high end, something with 10s or tweeters. Then get a bass that puts out lots of
high end so you don't have to boost the high EQ and bring up all the noise; in
particular get something with one pickup close to the bridge.  Use roundwound
strings and play with a pick. That will give you the upper mids and highs, then
boost at about 80 Hz to get that OOMPH in the bottom end and you're all set.

Humbuckers help get rid of AC hum/buzz, they do nothing for hiss.  Hiss is a
byproduct of amplification.  The idea is to not have to boost the frequencies
where hiss is perceived, so anything you can do to increase the treble response
of the system *without* adding EQ is worthwhile.


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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	*  The above does not reflect the opinions of	   *
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	*						   *
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	*  musicians.					   *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: xiphmont@athena.mit.edu (Monty)
Subject: Re: Small amps
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:07:59 GMT


Gibson makes a few very nice, deep sounding small bass amps in it Epiphone
line...  I picked up a 25 watt model (EB-25 I think)... n years ago for $160 new.
It's been playing for 7 years over about 2000 miles, and has been quite solid all
the while.  It easily fits in a car trunk, is loud enough for practicing with
other electric instruments (and drums) in a small, live sounding space, and has a
low end that just seems to go forever (for something its size).

As per other general notes...  

Gorilla amps:  I love em.  How do they fit so much sound in a box that small? :) 

Roland amps:  Roland makes great synths and samplers, but bass amps?  I'm not
impressed with any of the models I've seen.  They tend to be shallow and prone to
distort...

Monty da Musician Wannabe

"Hey little kid...  Wanna V7/V?"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Peavey microBass for sale (was Re: Small amps)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 NOV 92 09:08:39    


In article <1689D93BD.US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>, US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes...
>In article <1992Nov10.200939.22517@ccad.uiowa.edu>
>timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes:
> 
>>From article <FENSTER.92Nov9164904@ground.cs.columbia.edu>, by fenster@cs.columbia.edu (Sam Fenster):
>>> I think there's only one cheap, good-sounding one: a Peavey
>>> ("microBass," I think), which is $220 or so.
>>
>How about a little more info?  How many watts RMS?  direct out line?  what
>type of equalization?  I'm unfamiliar with this amplifier but can appreciate
>fewer backaches immensely.

The MicroBass has 20 watts RMS, an 8" speaker, three band passive EQ, headphone
and line outs.  The Minx is its big brother, 30 watts, 10" speaker.

BTW, $220 might be the factory list but they sell at local dealers for closer
to $160.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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	*  The above does not reflect the opinions of	   *
	*  my employer.					   *
	*						   *
	*  If music is outlawed, only outlaws will be      *	   
	*  musicians.					   *
	*						   *
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From: rogue@remarque.berkeley.edu (Brett Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Small amps
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:00:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

In article <FENSTER.92Nov9164904@ground.cs.columbia.edu> fenster@cs.columbia.edu (Sam Fenster) writes:
>
>I recently bought a Washburn acoustic bass guitar, of the sort you
>often see on "MTV Unplugged."  With no amp, it's loud enough to be
>heard with an acoustic guitar.  Plugged into an amp, it sounds better
>than low-cost solid-body basses.  It cost me $585.

I recently found a guitarron -- a 6-string acoustic bass guitar -- in
a used instrument store and snatched it up for about $200. It's quite
loud, though definitely of low precision -- the strings are half metal
and half nylon, which means the intonation is different depending on what
string you're playing. The biggest drawback: there's no getting a case
for it, so it's difficult to travel with.

<BG>
-- 
"Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
 Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
 broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
 where it will end."                   -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: gse9k@helga12.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Re: Bass TABs wanted!!!
Keywords: Bass guitar, tablature
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:41:10 GMT

Brian A. Miller writes:

>Well, now that this newsgroup exists, let's see some tablature
>posted for the bass.  I am a beginning bass player, and I'd like
>to find some interesting, but not too difficult, parts to practice
>with.
>
>Anything by Beatles, J. Tull, B-52s, Crowded House, REM, Pink Floyd,
>Violent Femmes, John Cougar Mellencamp, Peter Gabriel, Genesis,
>Yes, Poi Dog Pondering, Camper Van Beethoven, . . .
 ^^^

My transcription of "Close to the Edge" (yeah, the whole damn thing :)
is available for ftp from the nevada site and The Bottom Line's tab
ftp site.  Or I could just mail it to you, or post it here again.
It's kinda hard to play, but *lots* of fun...


scott