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From: Ung-Ho Yi <ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: palm reading
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:03:35 GMT
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hi,
i am sure many of you have heard of palm reading.
i remember people telling me about this in korea, and i know many
chiniese friends of mine had their palm read.

one of my friend is a palm reader(at least that's what he says) and
he believes in it strongly.

i was wondering if any of you culturers had their palms read,
do you believe in that?  i don't believe in that stuff, i mean how can
you predict what you will wear to work on next tuesday?  beside, he said
my life will become worse in next 10 years, i think he said that because
he didn't do well on his gre exam.

any way, what was i talking about.  oh, could you share with us your
experience with palm reading?  obvioulsy, i am scared to believe in it,
are you?

p.s. please don't link this topic to culture and stuff.


hope to hear from you all,


yi
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:59:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.BvJ4IK.2oI
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

In article <1992Sep30.002012.15237@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <BvD4F7.HLz@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.172242.22521@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>Speaking of Mr. Sze, I suspect that he is a Chinese-cu demagogue.
>>As you would say, how would you know he's Chinese-cu?  Have you met him?
>
>Note that I am making an assertion about Chinese-cu and not Chinese-ge.
>Based on Mr. Sze's writings, I said that I suspect him of being
>Chinese-cu.  That's a fair statement; it is buttressed by Mr. Sze's
>incredibly narrow-minded, bigotted, and very Chinese-cu "intellectual"
>columns.
>
>>Perhaps we need a new term: Dwight-cu.  Any suggestions for formally defining
>>this term?
>
>This smacks of Chinese-cu behavior.

I've got it!  Chinese-cu <==> Any statement against Dwight Joe.

Therefore...

Dwight-cu <==> Any statement against Chinese-cu.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9314 ca.politics:8322
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:32:39 GMT

	[Tangential take-off from a quote of mine by Kerry and Dwight
	 deleted.]
>
>Before I appeared on s.c.a.a., I doubt that anyone (specifically,
>Chinese-cu on s.c.a.a.) pointed out the common ground of bigotry
>between Chinese-cu and rednecks.  Many Asian-Americans are taught
>that it's just the rednecks who think that the USA is not the "true"
>home of Asian-Americans.  In reality, it ain't just the rednecks;
>many--very many--Chinese-cu think that the "true" home of Asian-Americans
>is someplace in Asia (!).

Hey Dwight, before you get too thrilled with patting yourself on the
back, how about a reality check?  I, as well as several other netters,
have made exactly that point, although not in your inimitable style,
long before you blessed us with your current writing modality.

A fundamental identity issue for (mainly 1.5 generation and above)
Asian Americans, unless you've truly managed to follow Joe Wang's
200% human approach, is the pain of dual rejection:
	Americans consider you a second-rate American and a phony Asian.
	Asians consider you a second-rate Asian and a phony American.
It hurts.

>
	[Deafening silence, racist thugs, and ad hominem attacks
	 on Wilbur deleted.]
>>...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:17:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

I am not Asian-American, but I have been following this group for a while
trying to get some insights.  Now from the commentary on the Montel Williams
show and from other remarks made here recently I get the impression that
there is frequently some resentment on the part of Asian-American men
towards Asian-American women having to do with interracial relationships.

Why should there be such a sentiment? Then again, am I misreading something?
Anyone care to enlighten me?
-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse)
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Reply-To: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:39:15 GMT

In article <2186@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
>I am not Asian-American, but I have been following this group for a while
>trying to get some insights.  Now from the commentary on the Montel Williams
>show and from other remarks made here recently I get the impression that
>there is frequently some resentment on the part of Asian-American men
>towards Asian-American women having to do with interracial relationships.
>
>Why should there be such a sentiment? Then again, am I misreading something?
>Anyone care to enlighten me?
>-- 
>Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
>Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
>United States Naval Academy
>Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...

I'd like to second these sentiments, except I won't be so diplomatic
as to use the term "enlighten" here.  This is the 20th century.  These
are the 90's.  Anyone can date or marry anyone they damn well feel like.
The fact that there are more interracial relationships is a good thing.
It means that the significance of racial and ethnic boundaries is
breaking down.  Is is possible that much of the opposition to such 
relationships comes from people who can't get a date?  

-- 
Roger Shouse
The University of Chicago 		Email: shou@midway.uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Genetic question misunderstood
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:42:41 GMT

It seemed to me that everyone who responded to my speculative article
did not properly understand my point.  I think that there is a harmful
atmosphere in the US that makes it absolutely taboo to even discuss
racial differences.  In the magazine article that I referred to, it
mentioned that many scientists would speak off the record on the subject,
but all shyed away from being quoted.  They were afraid of being, as one
person who responded to my article said I was being, flamebaits.

As to the person who brought the subject of great Irish athletes, let me
ask you.  Where are all those  Irish athletes now?   Did the Irish quit sports
altogether?  You are missing the
point by bringing that up.  The differences that separates a champion from
all others are minute.  Given a normal distribution of two groups, it is
those people who are at the extremes of the bell curve who will do exceptionally
or miserably.  If one group's average is even slightly higher than the other,
the likelihood of the exceptional individuals coming from this group is 
signifcantly higher.

Yes, there are white men who can run faster than a black man just like there
are women who are stronger than men.  But have you noticed who won the 100 meter
dash in the last several olympics?  It was rare to find runners who were not
of West African origins even in the finals. Small differences in the general
population make for large differences in the elite.

I have the feeling that many are afraid of this question becaused the
idea of racial superiority was used for genocide by the Nazis and others.
This fear is counterproductive.  If racial differences are true, then
it should be acknowledged.  Truth is enlightenment.  How enlighted would
it be if scientists ignored that fact that mostly blacks were affected by
sickle cell anemia.  How effective would a program to help sickle cell
anemia sufferers be if this fact was completely ignored?  

Difference does not mean inferiority nor superiority.

Hyok Lee

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: AAAHHH!  Interracial dating.. again?  Why?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:35:04 GMT

dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>
>>- There are LOTS of single attractive black women available.  Why are the
>>  asian men not viciously complaining about black women not going for them ? 
>
>It should also be noted that in mainland U.S. Blacks are usually the most
>blatant in prejudicing against asians

I think that what Danielle mentions about America is pretty bang-on,
at least from my experience with American Black women, even those
middle and upper-middle class ones here at Columbia -- especially 
in NYC, the class and race conflicts really make themselves felt.  
Back in Toronto, I don't think that I ever experienced the kind of
hostility with Canadian Blacks, possibly because they were Caribbean
or their parents were from the Islands (all being in the British
Commonwealth, it's easier for them to move to Canada than the U.S.)
and in fact, there is a lot of inter-dating and marriage between
Caribbean Asians and Blacks both in the Islands and up north.  My
hesitation over office affairs (as in my own warnings to friends)
comes not only from textbook philosophy but also from personal
experience, as I could have launched into an affair with a colleague
who was a north Toronto girl who came from Barbados at age 2 (we were
both single and unattached) during a business trip to Montreal, and
when it turned out that we both had plans to hang around for the
weekend decided to hang together.  As fun as Montreal can be on a
laidback summer weekend in the city (blows away New York City, which 
is an autumn town) there was a growing sexual tension between us (and 
we were pals to begin with) until we had a blowout at the Old City's
harbour at 2AM.  Suddenly, we got a grip of ourselves and wondered
what the hell we were doing ...  no, we didn't become an item, and
after that our lives and careers took us in different directions (she
now lives in Vancouver) and we haven't kept touch ...  and we're not
friends anymore. )-;

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
From: 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating-black asian?
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:03:30 GMT

In article <Oct.5.12.06.50.1992.7176@spade.rutgers.edu> cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean) writes:

>I browsed the FAQ on interacial dating and I see there is no mention
>of other groups like African-American or Hispano-Americans. It seems
>like that Asian-American males have no problem with this kind of mix?
>True or false! Please, do not email! I rather read what you post.
>JC

Oh, no, there is a problem alright.  I know of many asian families whose
parents will disown the kid if they even date a black person.  It's racism. 
All I know for Japanese and Chinese and Korean culture is that milky white 
skin is considered more beautiful, while black skin is considered ugly.  
Thus, take this attitude, and combine it with american society's prejudice 
against black skin, and you have many asian american males not even 
considering black women as potential mates.  Of course there are always 
exceptions to this rule.  Still, the general prejudice against dark skin
is part of asian culture.  (I am a darker skinned asian male.  So people always 
think that I am from the Philippines or from Vietnam, or are part Hawaiian 
whenever I get a tan.  Reactions from Japanese nationals change when they
find out that I am an American.)

However, in Japan, I've heard from a female friend who just returned from there
that it's considered "cool" to date black men.  It must be all that
MTV and the influence of Hammer and Bobby Brown, and so many women
will date black men because they seem to be more stylish.  Of course,
you can imagine that the Japanese men are not too happy about this.
I've read in the Japan Times that some Japanese men have tried to
mimic the look of black men.  They try to get as tan as possible, cut
their hair like them, dress like them, and take dance lessons (no kidding!)

D Junkie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:05:26 GMT

In article <SHAW.92Oct4204105@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu>, shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>
> [ . . . ]
> 
> However, what if that were to change?  What if Asians (as a whole) were
> perceived to be more powerful than whites?
> 
> That's not as far-fetched as it may sound.  As I mentioned in a previous
> article, some Japanese businessmen are already starting to treat the US as
> a third world country, and looking at cute, young, blond, California girls
> the same way that American GI's historically are used to looking at girls
> in relatively poor Asian countries.  And some of those "All American" girls
> are looking back in the same way those poor Asian girls did -- a chance to
> mingle with power, have a lot of money spent on them, and be near the
> future, the cutting edge, and the exoticism that they can't get at home.
> These women have a taste for these men, so to speak, and we can be as
> dismissive or contemptuous as we like -- they exist.

     I'd have dismissed this as self-interest based distortion if it
weren't for an article in the last TransPacific magazine (a magazine
I don't really like).  The article was basically about some guy who
throws lots of fancy parties for Japanese businessmen.  The guy fills
his parties with white models/coeds/bimbos.  Proof that bimbos come
in all colors, but that's beside the point.

     Still, I really don't think this will actually come to happen.
Sure, a small cult following of white floosies willing to chase Japanese
businessmen might develop, but this is merely because there are always
women willing to chase money.  In addition, I'm not willing to write
America off as a has-been, third world country.

							George

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From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Ear lobe reading (was palm reading)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:17:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92279.131730U58402
 <92276.093517U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> <1210@xlnt.COM>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I don't know about earlobes in particular, but one of my aunts does facial
feature analysis. I don't know if she looked at my ears specifically.


Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Subject: Re: "ABC" and Generation 3 (was Re: Looking for roots)
Reply-To: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:55:20 GMT

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Sep24212455@cthulhu.ces.cwru.edu>,
yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.134959.21410@m.cs.uiuc.edu> wong@m.cs.uiuc.edu
(Angeline) writes:
> 
> >Each time I go to Hong Kong, and esp. China, I feel myself turning more 
> >Chinese, and it is not an unpleasant feeling.  But this transition in me 
> >makes me question other ABAs (American Born Asians), and especially ABCs, 
> >since I relate more.
> 
> This is a side point, but I'm curious whether any Chinese-Americans
> are bothered by the ABC label.  Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but
> "American-born Chinese" seems to imply that a person is Chinese first,
> and just happens to have been born in the U.S.  Is this a correct
> interpretation of the term's connotations, and if so, does it bother
> you?
> 
> There's no analogous term for Japanese-Americans, and I've noticed
> that most JAs I've met tend to emphasize that they are Americans
> first, while their ancestors just happen to have come from Japan...
> 

Yup, I agree (I'm a fourth generation JA).

> >Maybe it's because
> >I am second generation, I don't understand why some third generations 
> >have no interest in thier native culture,
> 
> Probably, because it's not their native culture.  It's not even their
> parents' native culture.  It's their grandparents' native culture.
> 

YES!  It's about time someone said this!

> This isn't meant to be a flame, but I always wonder why people
> consider it strange that third-generation AAs are American (rather
> than Asian) in culture.  In contrast, I've never heard anyone express
> surprise that third-generation Polish-Americans, German-Americans, or
> Irish-Americans have been "assimilated" into American culture...
> --

Yeah, whenever, and I do mean WHENEVER I meet a first or second gener-
ation asian, they always ask if I speak Japanese.  When I reply no,
they invariably chastise me for not being in tune with _my_ culture.

That is _not_ MY culture.  Being an american is my culture, and although
I am very proud to be of Japanese ancestry, I consider myself an
american first.

>
_______________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
> yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
>
_______________________________________________________________________________
> 

- Andrew

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92271.090105U58402
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Sep26.204241.13861@seas.gwu.edu>, claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H.
Lee) says:
>
>Difference does not mean inferiority nor superiority.

From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Is it in the Genes?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:27:12 GMT

Now if we apply the same logic to intelligence, could it be possible that
a certain racial group could tend to be more intelligent?  It would seem
really unfair if the blacks as a race were just as smart as us, would it
not?  Think about it.  They're superior to us physically and they are just
as smart.  It all has to even out somehow.


Well, it was obvious to me that you were implying degrees of superiority
of physical and mental attributes in your original post.

Just to summarize my reply, which was rather long and technical:

There is a demonstratable difference on the genetic and molecular level
between two muscle types, which can easily lead to an explanation of why
people of African descent are able to run faster.

There has been NO evidence of such a phenomenon to explain differences
in intelligence, barring a pathologic or disease process such as Down's
syndrome. Furthermore, differences in environmental stimuli appear to
play a great role in determining intelligence.

There may be a shift in the bell curve in measured intelligence
between races (use whatever means you like to measure intellect:
IQ, SAT scores, etc.). It does NOT follow that the shift is due
to a genetic difference due to race. I believe that if you control for
socioeconomic factors, differences in SAT scores between races disappear.

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:40:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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Keywords: underdog


	Me: 	
	> Then how do you explain those of us who grew up in a Chinese 
	> family who didn't suffer any of those things? Obviously the 
	> actions you've listed cannot be attributed solely to Chinese society.

	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> As Mr. James Pak (jpak@oakhill.mot.sps.com) pointed out, a 
	> behavior or action does not need to be exercised by everyone in 
	> a particular cultural group in order for that behavior to be 
	> considered part of that cultural group. "whipping with a belt" or 
	> equivalent actions is everyday ordinary behavior in Chinese-cu 
	> society.

You have yet to prove that it is "everyday ordinary behavior in Chinese-cu
society."

I contend that it is not. 

	Melinda
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:34:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct6.153435.16093
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct6.044145.21395@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>: Well, I see that you (Hyok Lee) are still on the net, although there
>: was a noticeable silence after I asked for some support of the
>: supposedly "scientific" theory of races. 
>Don't take it as a victory to degenerate.  I had schoolwork to do other
>than hack at a computer all day.

	In other words, I'm too lazy to look up the references, so
I'm making them up.

>You are a fucking pathetic individual.  Do you have trouble accepting
>that everyone is created different?  When people speak of "race" or
>any arbitrary category that Homo Sapiens place on knowledge of the
>world, they agree on what that means.

	Not in refereed journals.

  If you think that race is 
>something that is something that is so fleeting, then so is everythingj
>that you have thought of as "knowledge."  The logic that you are applyingj
>to this subject is similar to what David Hume did to reality.

	I wouldn't muck around with epistomology, if I were you. Mark
just might know it better than you.

>The way you have rejected the possibility that human beings can be 
>different leads me to believe that you are extremely insecure about
>yourself or you are a racist.

	How about better read, knows the literature better and knows
what he's talking about?

	Again, references.



-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
From: cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: interracial dating
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:06:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I browsed the FAQ on interacial dating and I see there is no mention
of other groups like African-American or Hispano-Americans. It seems
like that Asian-American males have no problem with this kind of mix?
True or false! Please, do not email! I rather read what you post.
JC
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