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From: zl@apollo.hp.com
Subject: IT COULD BE TEN YEARS OR MORE BUT CHINA WILL CATCH UP TO THE WEST IN SEMICONDUCTORS, ETC.
Originator: zl@pace
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:54:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

From San Jose Mercury News, 8/3/92, p8D:

IT COULD BE TEN YEARS OR MORE BUT CHINA WILL CATCH
UP TO THE WEST IN SEMICONDUCTORS, ETC.  
 
What they lack in hard currency and current market, they make up
in the number of educated engineers they can throw at the
challenge.  China now has a growing pc and workstation industry
and has become competitive with its Western counterparts in
software.  Internal demand for both the hardware and software has
been low due to cost and that only a tiny fraction of China's
people use computers.
 
The primary factor blocking progress for China is an out of date
semiconductor market. Experts estimate that the country's
chipmaking abilities are 15-20 years behind that of the U.S. At
present, there are restrictions on the sale of advanced
chipmaking gear to China.  Several Chinese firms have formed
joint ventures with European or American firms to make the old
256MB DRAMs - these ventures help bring in needed capital.
 
Shenzhen is the pilot city within China chosen to lead the way in
high tech manufacturing.  More than 40% of China's exports come
from Shenhzen.  Its nearness to Hong Kong is part of its appeal. 
Digital, HP and IBM are among those doing business in China. 
Digital's President of Asian Operations, Bobby Choonavala
believes that Shenzhen could take over much of what is produced
elsewhere in Southeast Asia today due to its ability to do make
types of electronic products well. Readers please note that this
is an extensive set of articles on China and electronics - the
articles are recommended reading! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.101644.17539@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>In article <Bsu5xw.9D0@acsu.buffalo.edu> ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang)
> writes:
>
>>
>>Ha, what do the Brits know about China?? I'd say the period between 1800
>>and 1949 was the WORST in Chinese history.. Sure the Communists are not good
>>but at least they kept the foreigners out
>
>If China's golden age is to be judged solely by when foreigers were kept 
>out of the country, then surely 1966-67 is THE Golden Age (of Chinese 
>xenophobia).
>
>
I guess I have to agree.  China's golden age(1912-1920) is when
The British, the Japanese, have their forks and knifes out on 
China, and the same time they kicked out the Germans so they 
can have its plate of food too.  
>
>
>
>
>
From: yeb@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:28:35 GMT
Reply-To: yeb@egr.msu.edu ()
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: yeb@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1992Aug21.193108.12903@colorado.edu> xuehua@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Xuehua Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.141707.28412@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
>As a korean, I feel we should thank China for giving us independence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>-- 
>xuehua@cs.colorado.edu
>Lu, Joshwar

What? Being a Korean you got name as 'Lu xuehua'? You must also have
a mainland Chinese father.:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Worthless Jap's Apology
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:42:32 GMT

In article <9208152326.AA12774@nero.wustl.edu> dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU writes:
->
->[...his opinions...]
->* Japs is my favorite word refering Japanese whenever I talk to my
->countryfellows.  So if you are a Japanese and dislike this word,
->it is your fault to peep this newsgroup. (In case you are happy 
->with this word, then both of us are happy.  How wonderful this
->world would be?) If you are a Chinese and dislike this word, then
->I couldn't care less.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

if you couldn't care less about other people's preferences, why should
other folks listen to you?

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From: ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: THOUGHTS ON ORIENTAL MORAL (Mongol ancestors of Vikings :-)
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:42:55 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug12.103150.15604@doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk (Ross Paterson) writes:
>From article <77521@ut-emx.uucp>, by joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang):
>> In article <1992Aug7.011506.29678@wuecl.wustl.edu> gm2@cec1.wustl.edu (Guo Mian) writes:
>Except Hungarian, Estonian, Saami, Karelian and a few others I've forgotten.
>(The family is usually called Uralic.)

Omegaud!!! What's happening to us?? even a "rap" singer knows more than
we do :)

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#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------#
#  The above article was Sealed With A Spitball  |  Life is short---Big deal  #
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#  Nothing should be left to an invaded people except their eyes for weeping  #
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From: honglin@apmaths.uwo.ca (Honglin Ye)
Subject: gdsghgjds
Organization: Applied Mathematics, U.W.O
Distribution: all
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:13:04 GMT
Summary: jhdjhds
Keywords: jdjd




This is a test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jifeng@celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Jifeng Zhang x-6315)
Subject: Re: GNP of China
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:53:36 GMT


>>According to the journal of the China Quarterly (No.125, University of
>>London (UK), 1991), the GNP of China in 1990 was in the 9th position after 
>>the USA, Soviet Union, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Britain and Canada.
>          ????????????    
>My guess is that this is based on the exchange rate 1 Ruble = 4 U.S. Dollars
>The current rate is 1 U.S. dollar = 125 Rubles.

I don't think the US$ is the best criterion to value the GNP of Soviet Union 
or the GNP of China. You know, the salary for a professor in Soviet Union is 
about 700 Rubles, which is less than 7 US$. But none of those professors is 
starving to death. How about the life of a professor living in US and with 
only a 7-US$-salary? In US, what's the rent for a 70-square-meters apartment? 
How about the rent in Soviet Union?

The actual value of one Ruble in Soviet Union is much higher than it is in US, 
isn't? So, the actual things, for instance, vegetables, cars, buildings, 
roads, trees and so on are much more suitable than the US$ for the GNP 
criterion of a country. What's your criterion?

Jifeng
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yes. CCTV is TOOOOOOO GOOD!
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:04:06 GMT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science

yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>>Dear Mr. joe:
>>You are absolutely right!
>>So, why don't you go home and watch Communist TV ?
>>I believe that Chinese on mainland China are the ONLY race in the world who do not know what's going on in Beijing on June 4, 1989.
 
A girl from Hong Kong also said something like this to me. It was really 
a big surprise to me. How much were they manipulated by Western media!
There is such a myth that Chinese only get news from government. It's obviously
against the fact. The fact is that there are various channels to get news, 
such as CCTV, XINHUA, BBC, VOA, NHK, Radio Moscow, Radio Korea, The Voice of
Free China(Taiwan), etc. After 6.4, VOA's rate went down because it produced
and spread too many rumors. The notorious ones are Li Peng's assassination, 
PLA's bloody occupation of Beida, and 28th Division's attacking against 
37th Division.

So it's not a big deal for NBC to create and spread the rumor about Chinese
swimmers. It's just a peace of cake for them. That's their job, anyway.
If there were no American athletes caught in drug test, I bet they would
have thrown more BS on Chinese athletes.

I would rank those news agencies as BBC, NHK, XINHUA, CCTV, RM, RK, VOA, VFC,
and NBC. ;(  


>6.4 in 1989 before I came here.  But after I reviewed dozens of tapes taped
>from the cable I did NOT get any new information.  To be exact, if you turn off

Exactly. I watched a tape produced by Taiwan TV which only showed policemen
without guns kicking the protestors. On CCTV, I saw a large amount of troops
with rifles storm out of Forbidden City. In fact, CCTV showed more detail
than other networks. Of course, the emphasis are different. That is a tricky
part of media. Every one makes its own version of an event.

>the sound, just look at the picture, you get no more information about 6.4
>from the cable in American than CCTV in China.  However, there are differces:
>1. if you turn on the sound, you get totally different story; 2. most of the 
>time the cable is live while CCTV is not. 
>	I am not suggesting that CCTV was better than NBC or any other cable
>channels in covering 6.4.  The point is, any news media is biased, to a less
>or greater extent. 
>	I would say, if the people on mainland is fooled by CCTV, you are
>fooled by the medium here.  People who experienced the event know better
>than you, who just happened to be in front of a TV screen.           
>	Back to Olympic, I do think CCTV's coverage is less biased than NBC's

Agree. Average people are trapped by media without mercy. We just can't 
afford to have a personal observation on what's going on on this world.
Pity!
From: dliu@ark.njit.edu (Dong Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: How important is Japan's Money to China ?
Keywords: Economy, Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:12:57 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, NJIT
X-News-Reader: GNUS 3.14.1 for GNU Emacs 18.58.3

Recently the hottest topic in scc is Japan's emperor's visiting to China.
And some netters said why CG was so eager to invite the emperor is
China needs Japan's money. I have very little economic knowledge, so I
am wandering how important Japan's money to China's economy?

I am from Shanghai, I know there are many investments from US, Germany etc.
in Shanghai. But I hardly know any important investment in Shanghai is
from Japan. For example, the biggest problem of Shanghai is her out-of-date
public transportation system, and now an subway system is under construction.
(When I saw it every week when I went to the Min-hang campus of Jiao Da, 
I was shocked by the scale of this construction.) To my knowledge, the
money for this subway system is mainly from China and Germany.

So, can any economist out there give some deeper analysis of the importance
of Japan's money to China.

Thank you in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: e422sk@tamsun.tamu.edu (Kalara Sunny)
Subject: classic trap: Recent green card holders please help
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:37:22 GMT

Hi Folks :


A freind of mine has fallen in to this classic trap,
a trap one dreads the most, of losing his job couple
of months before the final green card interview.

Labor certification process and filing for change of
status procedures are all done. 

His interview date is set at 1st September and he
lost his job in mid may.

Can he use the employment letter dated in mid may?

Do the immigration officer even ask for the employment letter?

If you have recently gone through this process please
e-mail to me.

If you have any other suggestions please fire away.

Thankyou very much.

-Sunny Kalara
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.222645.17644@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>In article <ceWQKQy00Uh7E6XmMp@andrew.cmu.edu> tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen) writes:
>>By the same token, should we demand the CCP to do the same thing to
>>apology to the Chinese people as well????
>>
>>-tie ju
>Aren't we been too uncivilized in using the word "Japs". Talk about
>issues, not scolding. It won't solve anything except showing your
>own bigotry. I am outraged by the Japanese crimes, but I feel 
>extremely ashamed by my countrymen's poor selection of word.
>It just doesn't show any class! So please try to act as an educated
>person.
>
>
>

Congratulations. Very well said. Glad to see that there are people who think
that by using that kind of language, we are only getting closer to those same 
people we are trying to distance ourselves away from.
Just my 0.02 c worth.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge)
Subject: Review of the Republican National Convention
Followup-To: None
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:29:50 GMT

	Many people must have watched the Republican National 
Convention this week. In my opinion, it's far from successful.
	In general, it didn't offer a convinceable economic plan,	
instead, too much personal attack and Congress bashing.
It will not work both logically and strategically. Logically,
not being able to work with Congress and show no sign
to improve it raise the question of how you can do a better
job in the second term. Remove the Congress? You must be joking.
Strategically, Congressmen and women are elected from all the states,
useing major strength to fight them is not wise. As for family values, 
the Haliry bashing and the Babara and Carolyn show will sure win the 
conservitives, but it will certainly shun out a lot of people who
don't believe the only way of life for a women is staying at home
baking cookies. As for the most enphasized character and trust issue, 
denying to take any responsibility for the slousy  economy and
indulging in attacking others itself whould raise a character and
trust problem, not to metion the faulse 128  vs 1 tax raising fussy
on Clington which has already been persured by the media,  which 
called a 'sensuous lie' by Micheal Kinsley.
	Now the convention is over, the republican still lag 10% -
12% behind. It seems they really need two home runs in order to make
up the deficit in the poll by November.
From: jianl@vlsi.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: grad school
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:06:11 GMT

Hi,

A friend of mine graduated last year from NorthWestern University in China.
Her major was in chemical engineering and she would like to apply to one of
the grad schools here in the US majoring in chemical engineering.  Since I
am not in that field, any help from those who is currently studying in a
graduate chemical engineering program or who knows someone does is greatly
appreciated.  Please send email to jianl@paris.ics.uci.edu

Thanks!
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: comments on the recent topics
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:26:36 GMT
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.

1. blood card

I and other 9201 people still hold the same view toward the "Blood Card Bill":

	1) those blood carders betray their own people and country, and cheat
	   the US government;
	2) some dirty US politicians like to use those blood carders in order 
	   to screw China.
	3) CCP considers too much about its own power stabablity, but concerns
	   too little about the Chinese national interests.

As the "Blood Card Bill" intends to "protect" those CSS from being possibly 
persecuted by CCP, it is easy to understand that this bill is NOT the one 
protecting those CSS from being possily persecuted by Shannon Yeh.  So in my
view, the CCP people should be more angry with this bill than I am.  However, 
I have not see any CCP guys angry as yet.

To some extend, it is good for CCP to have the "protection bill".  This way,
they will face less disasters in their future days.  I have more than one time
pointed out that "those CSS are worse than CCP", by which I intend to say 
"those Ban(half)DiaoZi(?) CSS will bring more disaster to China than the CCP
does".  Furthermore, most of those CSS will become "professors" in the Chinese
universities if they return---but hey, 99% of the Chinese universities are
over staffed!


2.  Japan apology

I think the CCP should make full use of their advantage: CCP controls a huge
consumer market and industry market, and the Japanese feel hard to sell their
products to the US.  So, the ass kisser should not be China but japan!  In my
view, Japan not only needs to say "sorry" to China, but also has to maintain
a good relationship with china.

But Japan's trditional skill to deal with China is:

	make the policy makers happy, screw the BuTunJie Chinese.

Strangely, their skill works perfect in China!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:21:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.140440.17469@ncsu.edu> xxxx@mte.ncsu.edu  writes:
>In article <Bt5D87.DK3@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
>writes:
>>
....

>>Charlie
>>-- 
>>*****************************************************************************
>>*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
>>*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@chiechan.mro4.dec.com		    *
>>*  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *
>>
>it is not "like or not", it is matter of justice! imagine your family member,
>say your mother, were raped by someone, then you would forgive them after they
>say nothing and do nothing. 
>
What if they do apologize? 

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.141750.8856@merlin.hgc.edu> sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.33034.27688@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>>rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Aug16.211822.5261@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>
>>
>>Whilst Japan was the most powerful Navy ever to sail the Pacific. It's really
>
>Hmmm.... I don't know where you got the idea that Japan was the most 
>powerful Navy EVER to sail the Pacific, let me correct you, Mr. Choy.

Correcting my mistake. Mr. borders said that statement, not mr. choy. 
Sorry folks.
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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:40:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>....sion of China apolgizing to Japan for the long-ago invasion
>attempts.  I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.  Please forgive
>me for these lapses.

	I think there's some misunderstanding here;
	IMHO, I don't think Korea or China is asking for the
	apologies on the WAR itself but the things done during
	the war; and I don't think I need to spell those.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Hows 'bout I make this apology thing reeeel simple for the closed minded?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:08:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:

>In article <FELIX.92Aug17075457@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>Aren't there more important ways to waste bandwidth than this stupid
>>apology war WHERE IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD?  What is the point of
>>running up my telephone bill JUST BECAUSE YOU FEEL SELF-RIGHTEOUS?
>>Everyone has been a jackass at times (look at this very posting for
>>proof).

>As a matter of fact, stupidity is many times self evident.  I join
>the question and demand to know who feels so self-righteous to demand 
>an apology that doesn't do any good?  

Uhhh, I think you missed the point. There have been 5 decades of
calls for Japan to apologize. When do we give up, call it a lost
cause, and do something that has a positive outcome? 

>Souls of nations, momentous cries of forefathers, eternal burden of 
>clensing our own past ... what good does that do?  Everybody did that,
>everybody does the same and tough luck you've been stepped on, but why 
>Japan?

Why me? Why my family? Why ... Why not? Tough luck doesn't have
favorites. 

>Because I want to be only myself without a shadow of self-righteousness
>in my next reincarnation, because I don't want to be pillaged, mutilated, 
>and raped again and again [strong symbolism intended] in my next 
>reincarnation.  Because I don't want to be around next time somebody
>comes up with a stupid scribling like this.

According to my understanding of how things work, if you are without
a shadow of self-righeousness there is no need for the next reincarnation. 

But you are here, and you are stupidly scribling so not to worry :-)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china