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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 08:51:24 MST
From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject:    happy holidays

fuck xmas, fuck new years, where's the goddamn beer?
From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: was i better off depressed?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:51:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

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but, deb, what's wrong with "cozy saturdays" with a book and herbal
tea (although coffee would be my choice)?  i think the whole drama
of being cynical, twisted, etc. is that sure there are other twisted
souls out there and everyone's so fucking twisted that we know being
with other people is either impossible or far more trouble than it's
worth so we all sit and stew in our juices, content that the stew
is all-inclusive in some morbid way and that once in a while we'll
be able to delude ourselves, if only momentarily, that it matters.

tristan

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: I feel weird
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:42:14 GMT

In <1992Dec17.201829.22296@leland.Stanford.EDU> bonk@leland.Stanford.EDU 
(James Lance Withee) writes:

>This is not J. Withee, FYI--it is his SO getting some relief from her 
>monotonous existence by realizing there are others out there as lonely as I.  

Hi, Withee's SO.

I have been
>a bit reluctant to post, but after 3 months of reading and reading, I figured
>what the hell?  If it doesn't go over well, screw it.  

Don't sweat it--although the label is "alt.angst", this group is one of the 
most tolerant with regard to "newbies."

>Is it normal to be able to just cruise around and introduce yourself to 
>people that you don't know and start up friendships with them?  I am truly 
>puzzled by this.  

No--it is perverse and unnatural.  Your SO has school to give him his bearings
and a starting point for socializing; you do not.  You need SOMETHING, this 
much is apparent, to give you someplace to start to get to know people.  This 
may be a stupid suggestion, but--what about volunteer work?

--
>---<

Tom Dennis                  | "I have seen all the works that are done
dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu  |    under the sun; and, behold, all is 
(217)384-2504               |      vanity and vexation of spirit."
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: the usual Ian Hunter syndrome
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:01:06 GMT

bs584@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeanne Leidy) writes:

>Why is this the kiss of death?  Trust is essential in a relationship,
>in my opinion.  If you're not threatening, you're not exciting?  

>I don't understand...

>I think there is a nice middle ground between brotherly and dangerous,
>you know?  I like to be attracted to guys with whom I feel safe.

Well, it's not that I don't want to inspire a sense of safety.  I have no
desire to appear threatening.  It's just that I'd like to inspire a lot
*more* than a sense of safety, and in this instance I don't think I was
succeeding.  It's an issue of conflicting expectations.  I wanted to feel 
sexually desirable.

Anyhow, it's just a turn of phrase, and I talked about it much later with the
person in question.  I see your point (not too different from hers), but I  
think you should try to see mine.  I felt marginalized, not taken seriously
on a sexual level.  While your reply is correct, it neglects some important
subtleties.

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Re: everything
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:12:29 GMT


kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>>I thought the moral was not to stick your head in a chest full of apples,
>>because somebody might slam the lid down on your neck.  

>well, that, too.
>and you should never get out of the house because you might get run
>over by a car, or some sicko might kidnap you, rape you and kill you,
>or you might be hit by stray bullets, or a rabid dog might bite you,
>or or or....  and if you stay at home, be careful to not slip in the
>bathtub and bang your head and suffer a concussion and not be missed
>for days, don't get food poisoning, don't get electrocuted, don't open
>the door to strangers, etc.
>install an electronic security system in the house, get a gun, and have
>your groceries delivered.  get caller id for your phone.
>avoid close contact with people, because you might catch their germs
>(or they might be crazy sickos who'll murder you).
>never leave the house.
>slowly rot to death.

And watch lots and lots and lots of really, really bad daytime TV.

Live slow.

Die old.

Leave a Bon-Bon-bloated corpse.

>yong-mi
>curiously content

Like the joke went... can I live in a happily content state of complete denial,
or is that a contradiction in terms?

		              ---jeff "Gilligan!  Get over here!" c., ncsu.

--
     jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu    \\---//   have clue, will travel.
       ---------------------------------------------------
     It's time to see the world / It's time to kiss the girl
              It's time to cross the wild meridian
   Grab your bag and take a chance / Time to learn a Cajun dance
             Kid, you're gonna see the morning sun...
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: syrupy holiday movies (was: this may be angst, I think)
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:30:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Ronald Hogan (rhogan@aludra.usc.edu) wrote:

: That's what I think angst could be.
: I really need a dose of Miracle on 34th Street to restore my faith
: in myself and the rest of humanity right about now...

i wish somehow every copy of that movie (and it's a wonderful life and
santa claus and the martians and every other cheesy, unrealistic,
insulin-surge-producing holiday movie ever made) would disintegrate
into a zillion motes of celluloid dust.

i hate holiday movies. they make me *glad* i have no television and
sorry that i've moved into a house with one.

fuck family values. fuck happy cheerful christmas scenes. miracle on
34th street was a *movie*, it was fake, it says nothing about human
nature except that we'd really like it if other people were nice and
friendly and wanting you to be happy instead of lurking around the
corner ready to screw you over royally if it means a tiny increase in
wealth or prestige or sexual satiation for them.

when i was a married yuppie, i used to watch christmas movies on tv
and cry because all my memories of christmas involve stale wine-breath
and screaming that vibrated dissonantly on my eardrums (i could *feel*
it) and incoherent threats. but marriage gave me the chance to have
picture-book "family" christmases, too, and they suck as hard as the
trauma-zone ones.

if people would just start being *real* with each other instead of
nervously glancing from television to christmas tree, trying to see if
they've got it right, i might not go off on a rant whenever people get
sentimental about the holidays. but that will never happen. telling
people what you *really* think and want and feel is too scary. someone
might see who you are.

rant off.

--
sine | deb
this is who i really am.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: moranc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Happy NNDGGS
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:01:28 GMT

I have a theory that the sudden onset of cold wheather causes a normally
latent "tackiness" hormone to flurish.  I am rationalizing my neighbors
blinking rudolph that has been on his house since the day after thanks-
giving.  Maybe further bio-chemical brain research will someday cure us
of this travisty.

--cindy
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Subject: everything
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:40:47 GMT



I'd unsubscribed from the group for a while.  But I came back.

There are posts on angst music, holidays, relationships gone sour.
The posts on angst music plus the cd I am listening to right now
(Annie Lennox's Diva) got me thinking - what's the difference between
alt.angst, alt.bitterness, alt.whine, alt.suicide.holiday, and even
alt.peeves?  I think Annie Lennox singing "this is the book I never
read/these are the words I never said/this is the path I'll never
tread" is angst.  Much of punk is bitterness plus anger.  There's
a component of sadness to angst, which makes it different from
bitterness or whining.

Holidays?  Tooth fairies, easter bunnies, Santa Claus.  I grew up
in Korea and South America, without knowledge of any of these
things, and did not feel deprived.  Well, I knew of some of them,
but they were just weird customs the natives had.  What I did have
was unrestricted access to books - and no, that didn't make me read
the "dirty" books.  I just read the original versions of fairy tales,
folk tales, and myths.  This notion of children being innocent, and
wanting them to remain children, that's just a Victorian invention.
If you read the original versions of fairy tales, there aren't any
warm, fuzzy, harmless creatures like easter bunnies or Santa Claus.
What you get is Baba Yaga, and Cinderella's sisters cutting off
pieces of their feet, and Hansel and Grethel's parents abandoning
their children because they are unable to feed them.  Children are
more intelligent and perceptive than parents give them credit for.
I think it is a big mistake for parents to make children fit their
idea of what children should be like.  Anyway the moral of the story
is that I don't think it's fair to the children that the parents
insist that the children believe in a lie.

Also I think many people forget that celebrating Christmas, belief
in Santa Claus and such things are not universal.

At least I'm not one of the starving children in Somalia.


yong-mi
"whem I'm old I'll wear purple"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Subject: Re: Weight loss
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:09:04 GMT

behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>elliott-bruce@yale.edu (Bruce Elliott) writes:

>>I know quite a number of people who when stressed or depressed tend to eat
>>a lot and gain weight.  Such people are invariably displeased with their
>>normal weight and become even more so when they gain weight.
>>Why am I the other way around?  Last spring during finals time I lost five 
>>pounds since I became nauseated after eating a few bites of food.  Last
>>time I weighed myself I weighed myself, I was at 119 lbs, which is about
>>ten pounds under my normal weight and fifteen under the "ideal" weight
>>for my height, gender, and body frame.
>>Is it just me or do other skinny people get more so under stress?
>>Is this more common among men that women?  (It seems that an underweight
>>man is considered less attractive than an underweight woman.)

>I've got a similar problem, I weigh 73kg, at 1.97m height :) I _should_
>weigh about 90kg (hah! 5kg under normal weight! You're not _that_
>skinny after all ;-). The reason for this is that I consider eating
>a necessity, not something I want to do all the time.
>Now, how to change that? Easy. I am in the process of doing that right now.
>What I did was: I asked a friend to work out with me. Now I'm tiring my
>"muscles" :) twice a week to a point where I can hardly stand up afterwards,
>and that surely had a positive impact on my appetite :) Plus, it's utter fun.

For years I weighed 135 when I should've weighed about 165. I finally began
working out and now weight about 175. Didn't change eating habits, just worked
a couple times a week. working out seems to have triggered a reduction in 
metabolic rate that is sadly irreversible for now I've had to switch to lite
beer and watch my weight or I'll go right through the roof (or floor, if it's
poorly constructed :) 

--
              Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Chuck Machala - Semiconductor Process and Design Center - Texas Instruments
From: thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: the usual Ian Hunter syndrome
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:05:40 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel) writes:

> "well, you're just the kind of guy that everyone sees as a friend."
> 
 
You know...I was noticing the other day that I only seem to go for the 
guys that 90% of the women around me say that about...
 
(this observation was immediately followed by an accusation of "so, how 
long have you wanted to sleep with your big brother?"  Well, I don't have 
a big brother, but I do remember that being my fondest wish from the time 
I was old enough to know what one was until about 6 years ago...so now I 
have to worry about whether I'm doing this on purpose or not, and if I 
am, if it's sick...:-)
 
Stephanie...
 

     Stephanie M. Clarkson : thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca        
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     "Leave the thinking to the    |  "I've accepted that life in         
      experts."                    |   general is a little wierd,
             - background sign on  |   So I'm coping."
                        Dinosaurs  |             -  Fran Sinclair
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Followups, etc.
Followup-To: alt.angst
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Peevetown Committee for the Uninhibited
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:30:17 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.163540.8751@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
[deletia]
|>
|>yeah, maybe the third time's a charm. keep this shit out of alt.angst.
|>
|>bah.

You mean like I did by editing the newsgroups and followup headers?
--
Go ahead and flame me. I'm just getting this drivel out of alt.peeves
From: JXM182@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: AAAAGHHHH!
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:53:08 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

As demonstarted with my title, I am quite the angst driven man!
It first started when aliens ate my modem! God damn things I thought
they were Jehovah's witnesses but Jehovah's witnessness cary uzis
and grenades. These things carried small versions of Tip O'niel and
fired from the hip..
Blahhhhahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Gotta love these bulliten boards!
Ferventer Vestite
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Subject: Re: Weight loss
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:26 GMT

kovarik@martha.utcc.utk.edu (StMeechTheThwacked) writes:

>In article <machala.724374544@delphi> machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:
>>
>>For years I weighed 135 when I should've weighed about 165. I finally began
>>working out and now weight about 175. Didn't change eating habits, just worked
>>a couple times a week. working out seems to have triggered a reduction in 
>>metabolic rate that is sadly irreversible for now I've had to switch to lite
>>beer and watch my weight or I'll go right through the roof (or floor, if it's
>>poorly constructed :) 
>>

>Of course, you could just drink less of the regular stuff!  :-)  

>Actually, I have made the ultimate sacrifice of cutting back on the
>cheeseburgers, and chicken wings so that I wouldn't have to cut back on the
>beer.  This has made the staff at the lounge in the Garden Plaza hotel
>very happy.

Why is this? Does the Garden Plaza charge more for regular beer than light
beer? And if not, why don't they? I mean, it's got a third less calories,
right? But, of course, you're paying for the alcohol. But still, the 
calories should count for something... Besides a spare tire, that is.

ObAngst: I'm toast
--
              Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Chuck Machala - Semiconductor Process and Design Center - Texas Instruments
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Subject: Re: everything
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:52:41 GMT

jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel) writes:


>kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>>callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>>>I thought the moral was not to stick your head in a chest full of apples,
>>>because somebody might slam the lid down on your neck.  

>>well, that, too.
>>and you should never get out of the house because you might get run
>>over by a car, or some sicko might kidnap you, rape you and kill you,
>>or you might be hit by stray bullets, or a rabid dog might bite you,
>>or or or....  and if you stay at home, be careful to not slip in the
>>bathtub and bang your head and suffer a concussion and not be missed
>>for days, don't get food poisoning, don't get electrocuted, don't open
>>the door to strangers, etc.
>>install an electronic security system in the house, get a gun, and have
>>your groceries delivered.  get caller id for your phone.
>>avoid close contact with people, because you might catch their germs
>>(or they might be crazy sickos who'll murder you).
>>never leave the house.
>>slowly rot to death.

>And watch lots and lots and lots of really, really bad daytime TV.

>Live slow.

>Die old.

>Leave a Bon-Bon-bloated corpse.

Shall we add: watch Ice Station Zebra in the nude.

Wear cotton gloves.
--
              Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Chuck Machala - Semiconductor Process and Design Center - Texas Instruments
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:29:45 -0500 
From: "Stephen M. Lacy" <sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Angstful music


"Wishing's not enough now, swallow hartbreak unaware 
you've got a heart to break -- more than you deserve."  
                    - That Petrol Emotion

Steve


"I don't like much really, do I?  But what I do like, I love
passionately!" -Pet Shop Boys

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: Books, please
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
	<DUKE.92Dec17181650@portal.paperboy.osf.org>
	<BzFJ3n.Fq1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:38:48

In article <BzFJ3n.Fq1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> moscoso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Innocuous Punch) writes:


   >The Bell Jar is a very good book, but it has nothing to do with 
   >angst.  Plath suffered from simple clinical depression--just a
   >chemical imbalance in the brain.  This isn't angst.  Angst has

   Apart from the the autobiographical nature of the book, I don't think it's
   as easy to say that "Plath suffered from chemical imbalances" and leave that
   as that.  To follow the events of the book is to follow a sense of order in
   Esther's reactions to her environment.  This is not simply a magnification
   of trivial occurances in an autobiographical work. 

That's not how it seemed to me.  It seemed more like clinical depression,
where her feelings *weren't* reactions to her environment, but rather came
from within.  That's the idea of the title, afterall--she describes her
depression as a Bell Jar being placed over her, and has no idea when it
may choose to descend again, for no reason.

   Plath is quoted as having intended to create a novel, not an autobiography,
   and that alone (in my interpretation) speaks for more than simple brain-
   chemistry.

I don't understand your point here.

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
angst.motorcycles: "We may be doomed, but at least the adrenaline keeps us awake"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: Camus is my psychotherapist
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:09:43


dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:

   duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:

   >moranc@woods.ulowell.edu  writes:

   >   ALBERT CAMUS SED IT BEST: (THIS IS A PARAPHRASE) THERE IS ONLY ONE DECISION
   >    IN LIFE:  WHETHER OR NOT
   >   TO KILL YOURSELF.  IF YOU ARE READING THIS YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY CHOOSEN NOT 
   >   TO KILL YOURSELF, THEREFORE, DO NOT BITCH!!!!

   >Alright, so she's a Caps Lock Clown, but this is a good point.

   Duke, I'm going to say this only once, so please attend closely:

Ok, Thomas, I'm listening.

   The Caps Lock Clown is saying, in effect, that one has two [choices]

   1.  Cruising along, pretending everything's OK,...

   2.  Suicide.

   Now, most people might think that there are more choices available to one than
   that.  One might, for example, acknowledge the angst, fear&loathing, and other
   icky feelings in one's life, use forums such as alt.angst to express these 
   emotions, and go on with one's relatively enjoyable and productive existence. 
   In fact, a great many people do this.

Yeah, but they're all self-deluding hypocritical cowards.  Angst is a
legitimate, intellectually honest philosophy.  If you buy it, you buy
it.  If you buy it and pretend not too, you're a pussy, and not worth
the spit needed to mar your face.

   Unfortunately, some people like the C.L.C. cruise into alt.angst, see the 
   angsters going on at length about the pain and frustration in their lives, and
   react badly... 

Ad hominum, eh?  Ignore what a loser she is, and address her point.
--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:21:45


thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson) writes:

   winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER) writes:

   > Suicide
   > by Dorothy Parker
   
   [deleted]

   danke, but that's been posted here several times already...that's why i 
   refrained from throwing it at the nits who were talking about suicide as 
   some grand and immortal purpose...

"immortal purpose"?  Well, what could be more immortal than death?  

Actually, I suspect you've heard the phrase "immoral purpose" but 
didn't remember it clearly. 

Interesting use of the word "nit."  Do you mean it as an abbreviation
of "nitwit"?  That's kinda wild, since "nitwit" is built from the
real meaning of nit.

Why do I feel compelled to flame at people on alt.angst?

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org