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From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What did they do to the video? (was Re: ST: VII ... It's Official!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:18:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <16B4DE58F.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <abick.726252270@cunews>
>abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
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>>	I haven't seen the video but I was considering buying it when it
>>goes down in price. What did they change from the movie that "ruined" it?
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>    I remember three scenes which weren't in the theatrical version; two
>seems to be good, the third may change the intentions of the movie.
>   The first scene comes right after the meeting of the Fed president,
>Sarek, the Klingon ambassador and the Romulan ambassador.  The Klingon
>makes his protest and leaves.  Then the Starfleet C in C comes in with
>Colonel West (the same actor who plays Odo in DS9) to outline a rescue
>opeartion.  The colonel seems too gung ho for his own good.  ("What if
>this operation starts an intergalactic war?"  "Then, frankly, Mr. President,
>we'll clean out their chronometers")
>   The second scene (I can't remember exactly where, but) Scotty has
>completed visual inspection of all photon torpedoes, and does not find a
>discrepency.  He talks with Spock about who may have killed the chancellor.
>Scotty is convinced that it is the daughter Abetzur ("They don't place the
>same value on life as we do, Spock.  The Klingon bitch killed him, and she
>didn't shed a tear." "Irrelevant, Mr. Scott since Klingons have no tear
>ducts.")  Then Valeris joins them, and informs Spock that Starfleet is
>looking for them.  Spock tells her to delay further. ("A lie?" "An
>oversight.")  [IMO I don't knkow why this scene was cut.  It sets up a
>nice parellel with an earlier "A lie?" "An error"; and later "A lie?"
>"A choice" line, as well as harkening back to STII, ("you lied." "I
>exaggerated.") and it makes Scotty's
>reaction to Worf in "Relics" much more powerful.]
>   The third scene, however, changes much of the movie.  The Klingon assassin
>is shot by Scotty and falls.  Col. Worf, looking at the body, observes that
>the asssassin's blood is not Klingon blood.  They find that the Klingon is
>actually Col. West in disguise.  This last scene may destroy the movie for
>some, since the whole idea behind this conspiracy was that elements of all
>three races (Feds, Klingons and Romulans) were equally responsible, but this
>scene gives the impression that the Fed rogues had a much bigger role than
>the others.
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>   [The quotes are from memory, so don't quote me.]
> 
>     Junsok Yang

I have read the  book and seen the film, however I wonder whether there are
differences between the film version in the UK (which I have seen) and in the
US because the last mentioned scene was definitely not in the version I saw.

Helene.
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: ST: DS9 premier question
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:55:34 GMT

hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @lone) writes:


>First...
>
>Was the captain of the Saratoga a Romulan?  I hope not!

I'm quite sure he was a Vulcan. But I have a question: Was Sisko the
Captain or was the Vulcan? I don't remember if they ever mention it.

		CtB

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From: jrl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Robby La Farge)
Subject: Re: More on uniforms
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:40:25 GMT

S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>Somewhere I recall hearing that green uniforms in TNG were for Starfleet
>Marines.  However, I don't recall ever seeing one on the show, so this
>may be entirely speculation.

I think a green uniform is used by medical officers.
   

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From: rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)
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Subject: Re: Ceslla 3 Massacre in DP9 ?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:00:18 GMT
Organization: Tigana Restoration Inc.
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In article <C0FxK2.4x1@wilber.rich.nt.com> zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
>After watching DP9 last night...I got a question.  When the 3 Cardasian
>warships were about to attack the station...I believe Doc. Bashir asked
>whether it would be good idea to surrender...O'Brian replied that
>"have you ever heard of the Ceslla 3 massacre". This implied that the
>Cardasians were responsible for the massacre instead of the Gorn.  
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>I thought the Ceslla 3 massacre was shown in the 1966 ST espisode titled
>"Arena" when Kirk met the Gorn for the 1st time.

	Different massacare.  O'Brian is refered to the one he witness
	as a non-commission officier on USS Phenox during the Cardissian
	war.  Alot of O'Brien's background can be learn by re-watching
	the episode The Wounded.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:28:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.120702.11247@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>In article <1993Jan09.222124.26009@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>>
>>Yeah, but when read aloud, DS9 comes out as "dee ess nine", which doesn't
>>roll off the tongue like "dee ess enn" does.
>>
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>Right!  That is exactly why I find the "9" so annoying...
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>(not that I read aloud :)
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>But, as a call sign for the station it does make sense.

Within the context of the show, when charcters refer to the station, they use
"DS9". Which makes sense. Of all the "Deep Space" stations, or "DS"es, this is
the ninth. They have to make it clear. But DSN is the only show on the air
with the name Deep Space --...

So, when the characters say "DS9", the 9 is a numerical designator. When a
view says "DSN", the Nine is just a name.

A very subtle distiction, and I'm not sure I expressed it very well...


-- 
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Trill problems (was: Lurking Plot Complications)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:25:21 GMT

wongrr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan R Wong) writes:


>Remember that Dax was encased in the green thing. Maybe it protected her  
>from the 'harmful' effect of the transporter (didn't it disperse AFTER the  
>transporter was most or all of the way complete?).

I'm quite sure that Dax *wasn't* transported. The Orb deposited her in the 
station. Or am I forgetting??

	CtB
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From: rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden)
Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:51:24 GMT

jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:

>  Speaking of this I am reminded of something that I have not mentioned
>here, (it might have been discussed before) Wasn;t it the Excelssior
>that was cataloging gassious anomalys? I believe in Sulu's Captain' log
>entry at the beginning of the movie he mntions this.... Well then how did
>all of the equipment suddenly get onto the Enterprise?? Just windering.

Yup.  The answer to this proplem is called . . . . OOPS!

Seems that the writers missed something (or SOMEONE missed something).

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: DS9 in CT
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: ct
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 01:02:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.233650.22438@choate.edu> dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl) writes:
>In Connecticut, DS9's pilot episode will be shown on Tuesday, Jan. 5 at 8PM
>on channel 61 (WTIC). The pilot will be repeated (same channel) on Sunday, 
>Jan. 9 at 4PM. The regular timeslot is Saturdays at 6PM with a repeat on
>Sundays at 5PM. (In other words, the hour right before TNG both days.)

If you're in southeastern CT, and you can get WPIX, they are showing the DSN
premier Thursday, Jan 7 at 8 p.m. I'm not sure if they are going to repeat it,
and I don't know when their regular air-time will be.


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From: morrissey@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: ST: TNG episode guide
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:18:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.120058@axion.bt.co.uk>, jgraham@axion.bt.co.uk (John Graham) writes:
> 
> I too am interested in the ST:TNG episode guide and
> would appreciate it if someone could e-mail me a copy.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John



I would appreciate this, too.

Thanks,

Janet Morrissey
"Mostly Harmless"

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:57:12 GMT

rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden) writes:

>jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:

>>  Speaking of this I am reminded of something that I have not mentioned
>>here, (it might have been discussed before) Wasn;t it the Excelssior
>>that was cataloging gassious anomalys? I believe in Sulu's Captain' log
>>entry at the beginning of the movie he mntions this.... Well then how did
>>all of the equipment suddenly get onto the Enterprise?? Just windering.

>Yup.  The answer to this proplem is called . . . . OOPS!

>Seems that the writers missed something (or SOMEONE missed something).

Either that or maybe, just maybe the Federation was able to have a
break thru in technology and was able to produce more than one set of 
Gassious Anomaly moniter equipment.

Nay, that's stupid to think. After all, we only have one Telescope on
the earth, and only one car, and only one computer and only one...

		CtB
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:15:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1ieoj9INN62g@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>  In the DS9 premier, the female superior officers were repeatedly 
>called "sir".  I find it rather jarring.

For what it's worth, in Shakespeare's time, "sir" was a polite
form of addressed for both men and women.

Perhaps this new Star Fleet regulation shows Picard's influence. ;-)


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From: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:47:19 GMT

In article <2B4DBD3C.853F@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
>>Even Kirk had a back door.  What would have happened if the wormhole hadn't
>>opened up at that moment?  The station and everyone in it would have been
>>destroyed.  And for what?  Nothing except the need for revenge of one woman.
>
>Didn't anyone but me notice that, just as the wormhole reopened, she
>lowered her head with a look of defeat and got O'Brien's attention?
>She _was_ going to surrender to save the station!  Her initial stance
>was _just_ a bluff... that's why O'Brien said that he didn't want to
>play [name of generic game] against her.


i noticed it too.  she was going to surrender.


juan
From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:25:11 GMT
 <1992Dec31.123326.13351@bsu-ucs> <1993Jan4.182548.13621@indetech.com>
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Does anyone know what is wrong with jumbo.hartford.edu, there
are some TNG gifs there I'm trying to ftp.  When I ftp
connection gets timed out.  Is there a problem
with their system?
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:15:13 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <80Yc02Cj31l401@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> dap20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David A Pauke) writes:
>
>After all, it seems reasonable that if a creature exists that can change
>shape, how much more difficult is it to believe it can also change mass?

	This is a joke, right?  I mean, how on Bajor would Odo be able to
lose mass without massive energy release (enough to fry the whole system)
or gain mass without any discernable sorce?  I'll buy shapeshifting, I'll even
deal in transmutation (although we haven't seen Odo become anything that
couldn't be organic yet), but spontaneous creation and destruction of matter is
a no-no for me, even in Star Trek.

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: What did they do to the video? (was Re: ST: VII ... It's Official!)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 16:19:19 EST

In article <abick.726252270@cunews>
abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>
>	I haven't seen the video but I was considering buying it when it
>goes down in price. What did they change from the movie that "ruined" it?
>
 
    Possible spoilers for people who haven't seen the video version of STVI
(down 30)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
    I remember three scenes which weren't in the theatrical version; two
seems to be good, the third may change the intentions of the movie.
   The first scene comes right after the meeting of the Fed president,
Sarek, the Klingon ambassador and the Romulan ambassador.  The Klingon
makes his protest and leaves.  Then the Starfleet C in C comes in with
Colonel West (the same actor who plays Odo in DS9) to outline a rescue
opeartion.  The colonel seems too gung ho for his own good.  ("What if
this operation starts an intergalactic war?"  "Then, frankly, Mr. President,
we'll clean out their chronometers")
   The second scene (I can't remember exactly where, but) Scotty has
completed visual inspection of all photon torpedoes, and does not find a
discrepency.  He talks with Spock about who may have killed the chancellor.
Scotty is convinced that it is the daughter Abetzur ("They don't place the
same value on life as we do, Spock.  The Klingon bitch killed him, and she
didn't shed a tear." "Irrelevant, Mr. Scott since Klingons have no tear
ducts.")  Then Valeris joins them, and informs Spock that Starfleet is
looking for them.  Spock tells her to delay further. ("A lie?" "An
oversight.")  [IMO I don't knkow why this scene was cut.  It sets up a
nice parellel with an earlier "A lie?" "An error"; and later "A lie?"
"A choice" line, as well as harkening back to STII, ("you lied." "I
exaggerated.") and it makes Scotty's
reaction to Worf in "Relics" much more powerful.]
   The third scene, however, changes much of the movie.  The Klingon assassin
is shot by Scotty and falls.  Col. Worf, looking at the body, observes that
the asssassin's blood is not Klingon blood.  They find that the Klingon is
actually Col. West in disguise.  This last scene may destroy the movie for
some, since the whole idea behind this conspiracy was that elements of all
three races (Feds, Klingons and Romulans) were equally responsible, but this
scene gives the impression that the Fed rogues had a much bigger role than
the others.
 
   [The quotes are from memory, so don't quote me.]
 
     Junsok Yang
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
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Subject: Re: Hers one wores in CoC I
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:24:10 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <1992Dec21.174638.29106@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ckt0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES KEITH TESSLER) writes:
> Pecard and the new ass hole incharge duccuss the misssion in 10 foward hardly
> a sucure location. any one of a the people could have hure them not to mention
> what some hight tech bug could have picked up. They at least could have spoke
> in code words. But they just said everthing. Someone have to teach both of
> them a thing about espongae.

Maybe they were using the Federation's new Cone of Silence(tm).  :-)

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
dwrsun4!perl@murphy.com -or- philabs!dwrsun4!perl

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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
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Subject: Re: Keiko?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:31:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Well, I hope at least O'Brien cares (if he doesn't, he's a cad
and a bounder and a poor example of family values...)

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:30:04 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DS9 possible problems

Jeff Wojtalewicz writes: 
>If the space station will pretty much stay in orbit, and the only threat for
>them are the Cardacians, wouldn't this get old after a while?  I mean watching
>every week the CCardacians trying to do something to them?  Don't get
me wrong,
>the Cardacians are as kniving as Romulans and Physiclly intimidating at
>Klingons.  

They're getting around that problem using the wormhole. The idea is that
the wormhole is going to be a major "space highway," with all kinds of
aliens traveling through it and stopping at DS9. That's why the wormhole
has suddenly made Bajor and the station strategic bases again. 



Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."     
                                                               

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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Kira - ick
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:17:03 GMT

[excerpts...]
> >>I disagree.  I though Kira's character was played quite well by Nana  
Visitor,
> >>and although she may have, at times, had a tendency to overact, 
> >To say the least.
> If you're saying that Nana Visitor is not competent, I think you're WAY  
off.

My problem with Nana Visitor is her looks--Michelle Forbes (Ensign Ro) always  
seems to have this disdainful expression which is either natural or due to  
good acting whereas Visitor has a wide-eyed, innocent look which doesn't mesh  
with her character unless she's playing the "idealistic and somewhat naive  
freedom fighter" angle, which was more evident in the second episode.  I  
think the writing will adapt and improve as the writers get to know her  
style.
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From: umeitzen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Steven Eitzen)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:32:20 GMT

In <59.2b4aab54@ivgate> Kevin.Karmann@bridge.omahug.org (Kevin Karmann) writes:

>Saavik in ST II:TWOK was played by Kirstie Alley (who plays Rebecca on 
>"Cheers").  Saavik in ST III:TSFS was played by Robin Curtis, who to 
>my knowledge has never been on "Cheers."  (Then again, I don't watch 
>"Cheers"...)  Note that it's the same CHARACTER, just played by a 
>different person...

As for Robin Curtis, the only place I've seen her since ST III:TSFS was
in a dog food comercial. Really launched her career. :-)
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: "The Children Shall Rule" tombstone question
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:33:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.194859.5238@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cpaulse@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chris D Paulse) writes:

>In the "The Children Shall Rule" episode, towards the end of the show the
                            ^^^^
			    Lead

>children are shown tricorder recordings of themselves playing with their
>parents, followed by shots of each of their parent's gravestones.  My
>question is: What did the oriental child's parent's tombstone read?

"Dead person buried in this spot.  Please wipe feet."

Seriously, this one was just on locally a week or so ago.  If anyone out
there thinks that TOS is some kind of holy shrine to television sci-fi
excellence, watch this one again if you can.  I actually turned it off.
It served to remind me of just how supercritical we are of TNGand how
forgiving of campy TOS.  People around here bitch about the hit and miss
quality of TNG, and yet many have tried to retcon the majority of
TOS Season 3 like it never happened. As well they should, I might add.

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