From: lbaum@bcsaic.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:39:35 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <1992Oct7.022045.19106@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
: Keywords: 
: 
: In article <1992Oct6.003817.15753@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM  writes:
: ]In article <5OCT199219033406@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)               writes...
: ]>I really had no reason to be against Clinton before this.
: ]>I did have real concerns about anyone who's a war protester
: ]>being able to lead the country in the event of war, since 
: ]>you have to have people go and fight.
: ]> 
: ]To protest a moraless war is a duty of patriotism, not a weakness.
: ]To send young men to die for no clear cause IS a weakness. 
: 
: To conspire with an enemy country during war is an act of a traitor.

Protesting the war was not an act of conspiracy with the
"enemy".  The Soviet Union was not the enemy, Vietnam was
(of course, since we were not officially at war, noone was our
enemy in any legal since, and treason is a legal term).

: Bill Clinton may or may not have done this - he was more likely a
: "willing dupe" - but for him to protest the war IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY,
: and to travel to the capital of the main enemy, is, to say the
: least, very suspect. As a veteran of that period, I find it
: reprehensible and offensive.

You have every right to feel however you want, but as far as I
can tell Clinton's anti-war activities were quite minimal.  He
was definitely not a leader of the anti-war movement.  This
entire issue is so ridiculous and is such a transparent
attempt to divert attention form the real issues of the day;
it is laughable.

: Oh, by the way, he says that he went to Moscow during a time of
: "warming relations." They may have been warming between him and
: the Soviets, but the soviets were actively involved at the time
: that he went there. Furthermore, one could not travel to the
: USSR without their permission, and they did a background investigation
: of people before granting permission (you had to give them a lot
: of personal information, and then wait a long time). They tended to
: admit people who would further their anti-US cause, and ban people
: who would damage their cause. They were especially fond of anti-war
: leaders, as they felt (correctly) that the war could only be
: won for them by the actions of these people.

Clinton was not an anti-war leader.  And he is quite accurate
that he went during a time of warming relations.  There was
this policy called detente; perhaps you remember President
Nixon...

If the Republicans really think that dredging up old Vietnam
arguments will work for them, let them go ahead.  There is no
political mileage in it.

: 
: Then, there is the fact that a several of pages from his state department
: file are missing - specifically those from that period. This is VERY
: suspicious.
: 
: ---John Moore, VietNam Veteran
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