From: nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: SCN(Hubbard) and Homosexuality
Summary: Homophobes in the CoS
Keywords: What gives?
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:42:19 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca



In article <C1Hov6.7qI@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <6756@pdxgate.UUCP> sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>>LRH states that homosexuals are 1.1 on the tone scale by definition and this
>>is covert hostility.  I am just passing this on to support these is a
>>political agenda in Scn.
>Can you provide a written quote from a Scn book that makes this claim?
>...
[more stuff deleted]

  This is a subject I have been wanting to bring up for a
long time...  Let me quote a passage from "Dianetics:A
Handbook of Dianetics Procedure":
N.B.: [] denote superscript.

	"The sexual pervert (and and by this term Dianetics,
	 to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation
	 in dynamic two such as homosexuality, lesbianism,
	 sexual sadism, etc., amd all down the catalogue of
	 Ellis[20], and Kraft-Ebing[21]) is actually quite
	 ill physically. ..." 
	 --Hubbard, L Ron. _Diantetics:A Handbook of Dianetics 
	 Procedure_. LA:Bridge Publications(1986). pg 140.

  Hubbard then continues on with the usual drivel about
"Overdevelopement of sexual organs, underdevelopement, seminal 
inhibition or magnification, etc...".

  The superscripted numbers refer to the following
footnotes:

	[20]: Ellis, Henry Havelock:(1859-1939) English
	criminologist and psychologist.  Conducted studies
	in psychology and sociology of sex.
	-- ibid. 
	
	[21]: Krafft-Ebing, Baron Richard von: (1840-1902)
	German neurologist and psychiatrist.
	-- ibid.
	
Note the dates.  Why is late 1800's/early 1900's psychology and
psychiatry "research" O.K. but the present research not?

  What did LRH have against homosexuals?

  What "physically" is wrong with homosexuals?

  Are there any homosexual scientologists?

  What happens to homosexuals who wish to become
scientologists?  Would they be...er... reprogrammed?

  What are scientologists told/encouraged to think of
homosexuals?

  What are the reasons?

  There is a church(not scn) in Vancouver that often 
advertises "self-help groups" that will "help homosexuals 
become heterosexuals", or something to that effect, in the 
local newspapers.  Does scn make this claim?

--------------------------

  Now I've *not* been able to find _What is Scientology_ in
the UBC library.  But if it's in the public library I guess
I'll pick it up and *photocopy* it for my _Junk from the
CoS_ collection.  Until that time it might be interesting
for someone to post what this book has to say about
homosexuals. 

BTW:  where are all the SCN regulars?  Are we seeing the
fruits of a SCN policy on Internet?  

	scn computer guy:"Hey!  There's this cool  thing
called INTERNET where I talk to all sorts of people about
scientology, and all the good it does, and suprises[SIC]
like that!"

	RTC Official:(Gasps.  Dashes into office, comes out
later with hastily written note,on scn letterhead, many misspelled
words, signed, of course, by LRH  himself) "Um...this is what 
LRH says about INTERNET!  Don't *ever* say *anything* on INTERNET!  
Don't *ever* read anything on INTERNET!  In fact, sell your 
computer and get some auditing!"

	scn ex-computer guy:"O.K."



-- 
Richard Nistuk               4th Yr Physics at U.B.C.
nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca