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From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Presidential Leadership
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:51:16 GMT
Organization: Gallifrey - Home of the Timelords
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Oct16.135919.14428@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.034050.24739@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct15.230658.22656@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>|> >
>|> >Who says George isn't senile?  He didn't even know about UPC
>|> >scanners at supermarkets.  Talk about out of touch.  I hear
>|> >QUAYLEE talk about the "misery index" alot, but they have not
>|> >done anything about it.  VETO GEORGE BUSH!!
>|> 
>|> Of course that haven't done anything about it, you loon! It's very
>|> low! Did you hear that? The misery index is low! That's why the
>|> Republicans keep bringing up and the Democrats don't!
>|> 
>|> Sheesh. Do you know what the misery index is?
>|> 
>|> 						- greg
>
>Oh, yeah.  Happy days are here again.  Get a clue geek.
>Go to south-central LA.  Go to steel-town PA.  Ask them
>what they think of the "misery index."

Listen. The economy is slow. It's the worst it's been since rter. But
some things look good. Interest rates are low, and, very important
point here, INFLATION is low.

Now, I ask you again, do you KNOW what the misery index is?

I only ask because you brought it up. You accused the republicans
of not doing anything about it. If you understood some basic economics,
maybe you would understand that the republicans have a reign on inflation,
keeping it low. That's more than any democratic president can claim.

						- greg

"You can't turn the White House into the Waffle House."
					President Bush, October 15, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: geog421@matai.vuw.ac.nz
Subject: US Passport
Expires: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 10:10:49 GMT
Summary: US Passport
Reply-To: geog421@matai.vuw.ac.nz
Organization: 	Victoria University of Wellington,  NZ
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:09:45 GMT
Distribution: us

Kia ora

I'm a Kiwi with a US passport. Does this help get work perkits in Canada??

Cheers
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Perots Economic Plan
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

Mess' by Jon Noring

JN>------->   VOTE FOR PEROT IN '92

Same as voting for Hitler. This man has a problem with basic human
rights.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Without fools ther would be no wisdom.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Woops: Re: States of U.S.A.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:43:25 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <138702@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
> In article <aHecsB4w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
>>  I don't think DC will become a state.  The
>>idea that DC is a District, not a state is so that as the capitol, it
>>remains neutral.  So I don't see it becoming a state, nor do I think it
>>should.
> 
> Philosophically, what you say makes sense, but what about the reality
> of the situation?  DC has about 600,000 people who cannot participate
> in the legislative process.  This strikes me as rather unfair --
> remember the line about "taxation without representation"?

	Let them do what 1/2 of DC already did, return to the state that ceded
the land.  They can become a city in Maryland.

	As far as participating, they do get to vote for prez.  Heck, just let
them for for Maryland's Senators and Reps.

	No reason to grant them city-state status, unless you want to give it
to New York, and LA, and Chicago, and Boston, and....

Brett                                                      
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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:12:44 GMT

silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>	i.e., the view of all forms of Swedish-style socialism as
>intrinsically wonderful, without considering the inapplicability of
>much of what they've constructed to our much larger, more polyglot
>society.

The so called Swedish model of welfare state is in a crisis at the moment.
The economy is no longer strong enough to support a large public sector so
large cuts have to be made in social services. This has led to the fear
that welfare state would be replaced by US type class society with huge
social problems. This fear is exploited by politicians who talk about
public health care being replaced by US style health insurance and so on.
These politicians need USA as a bad example of what it could be without
welfare state.

You say that this model is inapplicable to American society. The only
obvious obstacle that I see is that it's simply too socialist-pinko-liberal
model to suit the Americans :-). 

Janne Kivela"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Health Care was (Americans! *smile*)
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:10:41 GMT

@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
>
>The so called Swedish model of welfare state is in a crisis at the moment.
>The economy is no longer strong enough to support a large public sector so
>large cuts have to be made in social services. This has led to the fear
>that welfare state would be replaced by US type class society with huge
>social problems. This fear is exploited by politicians who talk about
>public health care being replaced by US style health insurance and so on.
>These politicians need USA as a bad example of what it could be without
>welfare state.
>
>You say that this model is inapplicable to American society. The only
>obvious obstacle that I see is that it's simply too socialist-pinko-liberal
>model to suit the Americans :-). 
>
>Janne Kivela"

	That it might be distasteful on ideological grounds to a 
sizeable number of Americans is part of the reason it would be tough
to apply here. But I tend to believe there would be more 'real' 
structural problems in application of a cradle-to-grave welfare
state in the US than there are in an almost mono-ethnic nation of
only 7-8 million people. We have individual states that have
advanced, comprehensive health care programs and requirements; 
Hawaii has had a program in place for a couple of years now and
there are a handful of states which are following suit.
	Our present, inadequate health care system can doubtless
be improved upon, possibly by turning to a Canadian model. It 
is becoming apparent that a lack of comprehensive, inexpensive
health care has begun to be regarded as an 'infrastructure'
lack by major American corporation -- a disincentive to 
investment and development as are an inadequate road system,
sewage system or educational system.
	Despite the knee-jerk anti-government program reaction
common to many (employed) Americans I think we may end up with
a comprehensive national health program before the end of the
century. One of the true advantages of the chaotic American
social 'system' is that, eventually, money talks and bullshit walks.
It's glaringly apparent that our current patchwork of public
and private insurance is functionally bullshit.
--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: f0358@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Perot and 3rd Party politics
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:26:23 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In considering who to vote for this election, I made up my mind to choose that
person who I felt would be the lesser of the two evils. That choice, for me
only, was Bill Clinton.
Before this choice, I had followed Ross Perot, but upon his dropping out of the
race, I went with Clinton.
PROBLEM:
H. Ross is back in the race.
I strongly urge all of you who are still undecided and who are to vote for
Perot to rethink. I have nothing against Perot and would have liked to have
experienced him in office, but now it is too late. In my thinking this is what
happens: Those backers of Clinton who were originally in the Perot camp will
now vote Perot thus depriving Clinton of the votes he needs. This will in
effect provide George Bush an easy win. I may be wrong, and please check me
where I am wrong. There is one thing I know is true: We cannot afford four more
years with Macchiavelli's Prince in office.
Thanks....
f0358@desire.wright.edu
Andrew Livingston
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Columbus Question
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:19:16 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Oct15.162235.1@dhvx20.csudh.edu>, chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu writes:
> I'm just wondering if anyone out there celebrated Columbus Day.
> And if you did, why?

I'm a student, so I didn't.  (For our foreign readers, Columbus Day
-- October 12 -- is a nominal holiday, but it works out that only
government employees get a day off.)

Besides, I know that of the Columbus Day parades around the U.S. this
year, most were co-opted to bash Columbus as a bloodthirsty invader and
dominator of Native Americans.  This is scapegoating and 20/20 hindsight
at its worst....
--
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Questions about States
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:25:20 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <138280@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.211531.17585@hubcap.clemson.edu> trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
>>stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) writes:
...
>>>Which state has more other states around it than any other state?  Name
>>>the surrounding states.
>>
>>Tennessee (North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas,
>>           Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia)
> 
> Missouri is also surrounded by eight states.  (Tennessee, Mississippi,
> Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois.)
> 
	Mississippi does not border Missouri, but Kentucky does.

Brett                                                      
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From: rks@cscns.com (Island's Child)
Subject: Re: cynicism
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:30:34 GMT

Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:7678 talk.abortion:41450
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Some information (Re: Abortion and Ethnic Purging)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:07:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.230745.6405
Organization: Netcom San Jose

csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes ...
>The Serbs are involoved in Ethnic Cleansing, not defending themselves.
>Many Bosnians are Muslims, and Muslims around the world beleive now
>that there is an active (Western) policy supporting/calling for 
>their genocide.  The Gulf War helped gain this view more acceptance.

I realize what the Serbs are doing.  But they're justifying by
claiming that they are being set upon by a hostile world and they need
to protect themselves.  In order to accomplish this, they are getting
rid of all perceived enemies.

From their standpoint it is a necessary action, taken in self-defense.
From the view of the rest of world they are genocidal bigots, bent on
inflicting 60 years of prejudices on their neighbors.

What's this got to do with abortion?  Many pro-lifers believe with
equal fervor that they are in the right and are justified in doing
what is necessary to impose their beliefs.  Martin Guerrero in
particular has stated that he knows without doubt that he is correct.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Freidrich Nietszsche
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Argghh!!
Originator: gerard@caliban
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:47:14 GMT

Well, I just watched the second of these "debates."  I shall not watch
any more, and if anyone asks me about them then I too am going to turn
off my hearing aid.

In the two events we have seen we have been presented with a display
of mendacity, evasiveness, platitudes, and sound bites.  There have
been no winners, but the loser is clear: educated choice (and,
ultimately, democracy).  I assume that Bush, Clinton, Perot, Gore, and
Quayle once had ideals and principles, that they were once honorable
men.  What is it about the political system that filters out these
qualities?  Why is it that when I look over this motley collection I
am left convinced that there is not an iota of common decency in any
of them?  (I leave out Stockdale - a delightful old codger, but totally
ineffective.)  

Can the political system be reformed to produce leaders and statesmen?
-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
From: treefrog@bass.bu.edu (susan landsman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: cynicism
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:56:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.98391
Reply-To: treefrog@bass.bu.edu (susan landsman)
Organization: Boston University

I'm considering writing an article centered around the following theory, which
I hope is an appropriate subject of discussion for this group.  I'm a newbie,
and unfortunately my deadline doesn't give me enough time to read all the back
articles.  

The theory: It appears that past generations of Americans went through
a growth period that included a stage of idealism in which they could go
about trying to achieve political and personal goals without being 
hampered by a sense of futility.  Today's "youthful" generation -- college
age or somewhat older (slackers?) -- seem to share an early cynicism that
squelches any idealism they might have at an age where they might also
be politically/culturally active.

The question:  Does anybody have an opinion as to whether this is real, and
if so, what the implications might be? Does anyone have personal
experiences that might be relevant, that they wouldn't mind seeing in
print?  

Thanks!
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Attention all boneheads (was Re: One more time...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:09:41 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

>One more time...Does anyone know anything about the Alliance Party.  They are
>on my absentee ballot for the November election in Maryland.
>
>Any information would be appreciated.
>
>-Raven
>ravens@wam.umd.edu

I have no information, but I do know that posts about politics have no
place in a .culture group, and I wish you and other boneheads would
realize this and keep political crap out of soc.culture.usa.

I've given up on DiNardo, but the rest of you can learn, I think.
--
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: 1992 RESULTS
From: chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:44:58 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

1992 WORLD CHAMPS                            PRESIDENT 
ATLANTA BRAVES                               BILL CLINTON




Don't they have a nice ring to them?
        
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Presidential Leadership
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:59:19 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Oct16.034050.24739@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct15.230658.22656@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
|> >
|> >Who says George isn't senile?  He didn't even know about UPC
|> >scanners at supermarkets.  Talk about out of touch.  I hear
|> >QUAYLEE talk about the "misery index" alot, but they have not
|> >done anything about it.  VETO GEORGE BUSH!!
|> 
|> Of course that haven't done anything about it, you loon! It's very
|> low! Did you hear that? The misery index is low! That's why the
|> Republicans keep bringing up and the Democrats don't!
|> 
|> Sheesh. Do you know what the misery index is?
|> 
|> 						- greg

Oh, yeah.  Happy days are here again.  Get a clue geek.
Go to south-central LA.  Go to steel-town PA.  Ask them
what they think of the "misery index."

Jared Dahl
Opinions are mine, not my employer's.
From: f0358@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: GEORGE HERBERT AWW, WHO'S READING THIS ANYWAY???
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:50:51 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

Well, at least someone has the balls to say it...George Bush definitely screwed
up this time with his attack on Clinton...Facts:

1). Clinton was a Rhodes scholar in England when he protested the Vietnam war.
 According to Bush, it wasn't the fact that he demonstrated against his
country, but that he was on foreign soil...What's the point? I suppose that if
Bill would have taken the first 747 back home and protested (thus neglecting
his studies) it would have been all right and Bush would still be behind in the
polls........
2). When Clinton was in Moscow, he was there during I believe Christmas
break...Moscow and other Soviet cities were favorite vacation spots for Oxford
and other English university students...What's the point???? If I had been a
Rhodes scholar at that time, sense of American pride would not have stopped me
from visiting a beautiful and historic setting such as Moscow or Leningrad...

A blunder it was for Bush to play dupe to his party...

And let's discuss the affair with the CIA getting this information in the first
place!!!

I say let's let Clinton have the CIA for a week and see what he comes up with
regarding Bush's alleged involvement in fraternity pranks (masturbation,
etc...)...Or his role in other things...

It was a blatant misuse of Presidential powers that Herbert W. used the CIA for
truly scandalous and immoral, not to mention personal, reasons...That's
tantamount to a president using the CIA to spy on a former high-school or
college enemy of his because he wants to see him unhappy...

Shame shame shame Mr. Bush.  A big fat smack on your hand for your behavior. Go
and sit in the corner for four years, and while your on your way to the corner,
take your ex-presidential belongings with you...

Andrew Livingston

F0358@desire.wright.edu

Dayton Ohio  The birthplace of aviation.
             Nickname: The Gem City
             Alternate nickname: Cultural Wasteland

But it's my home, dammit.

CLINTON/GORE '92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: dinneen@sequent.com (Jay Dinneen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Presidential Leadership
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:11:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct15.201152.677
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.


I hear over and over and over Republicans blaming Congress for our
nations decline.  Yet the only leader that works for all Americans is
the President.  Inner-city problems, economic problems, the decline of
our manufacturing base, ect.  are national problems requiring national
leadership.  It's pathetic and cowardly how Republicans blame
congress, cite "character issues", scare people into thinking that
they are going to be taxed to death, and generally avoid real
problems.  I've heard enough from Republicans who supported George
Bush and his senile predecessor.  And if you still do you're a loser.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: Perot and 3rd Party politics
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:48:17 GMT

f0358@desire.wright.edu writes:
>effect provide George Bush an easy win. I may be wrong, and please check me
>where I am wrong. There is one thing I know is true: We cannot afford four more
>years with Macchiavelli's Prince in office.

	We cannot afford four years to Bill Clinton, who will just keep
throwing our tax money into the sinkhole that congress has become. I 
feel alot safer with Perot, and feel Bush wouldn't be as bad as Clinton.
I feel Perot blew it by dropping out, I can't wait untill the Debates.

	Also, why did Perot get into the debates, but other third party
people were left out? It seems that Bush/Clinton are scared of Perot.

James
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From: mxsst1+@pitt.edu (Michael   Stroucken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: That Legal right over Gambit...
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:58:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bw6F3G.n2G@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>
>What Quayle did, in my mind, was EXACTLY the same as what Clinton did.
>Try with all his power to keep his butt out a war that's greatest
>contribution to our society was to keep body bag makers in a booming 
>industry.

Wouldn't anyone about to be called up to fight in a war, be trying his
absolute best to stay the fuck out of it? When my number would come up,
I'd be sneaking over the border to canada in the middle of the night.
MS