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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: True Blue Brew Crew in '92!
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:14:38 GMT
Organization: Lance Smith Tastee Freezes, Inc.

(Paul R Krueger) writes:
>Since I've been hit (hard!) by the Pennant Fever bug, I feel the need to
>get some things out of my system before they dissipate completely. First,   
>since they've tormented us for the past few years, a quote for the playoff 
>hopes of the White Sox and their obnoxious fans.

Your woof is noted.  Any team that has a team like the Sox shouldn't
be discounted, however, unless they continue to make acquire players
like Steve Sax.

>Second, at this very moment, Jaime Navarro is the best pitcher in major
>league baseball. To say he's in a "zone" would be an understatement.

Right.  Ever heard of a few guys named Clemens, Guzman, and
Eckersley?

>Third, if it weren't for injuries, Paul Molitor would be known as the second
>best leadoff hitter ever (some guy named Rickey comes to mind) and would
>be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame.

Hell of a ballplayer.  Has been for a long time.  Sort of like George
Brett, but with more speed, slightly less power, and more walks.  I
like Paul.  Always have.

>Fourth, Molitor, Bill Wegman, Doug henry, and Jim Gantner could make    
>anyone's all-underrated team and that's a shame.

Molitor: No doubt.  Wegman....Uhhh...

Henry's been ignored...

But GANTNER?  See also STIFF, MAJOR.  Total waste of a roster spot.
Virtually no positives except longevity, and I don't consider
sustained mediocrity anything to yell about.  (See also Lansford,
Carney.)

Let's look at them numbers for Gantner...

Hmmm.  Lifetime .324 OBP.  Yawn.  Lifetime .352 SLG.   UNderrated?
I'd say lucky to have a job.  A peak .337 OBP for seasons over 300 AB
is weak.  No peak value to speak of, no career value to speak of.

Stiff City.

Bum.

Glad I could help.

>Fifth, the Brewers finished the last 69 games of last year at 40-19, the
>best in the majors. If they went 36-18 the rest of the way, they'd duplicate
>that feat and end up at 90-72, which would at least keep them in the pennant
>race. 

And if they play .667 ball from here on out, I'll french kiss Dave
Kirsch.  (Think anyone will save this text?   :-)

-- 
*  Gary Huckabay  * "Win or lose, Twins forever." - John Stuart Mill           *
* "Not as hostile * "I wonder if Carl Rempert has cute buns." - G. Spira       *
*   as he seems." * "He's the most aptly named person on the net." - D. Kirsch *
*  - D. Cleary    * "Huck, Throw a strike!  That stays IN the park!" - D. Low  *
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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: Home/road differentials (was ARTIFICIAL TURF: EMBARRASSMENT)
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:15:00 GMT

I don't have the numbers handy, but I believe that the Twins have been
playing about as well on the road as at home this year.  The last time I
checked, their home and road winning percentages were withing five points
of one another.

Let's face it -- going back over the last ten years will show a huge
home/road difference for the Twins, but over the last few years, that
effect has dropped off considerably.  The installation of air
conditioning and the plexiglass over the left field wall really changed
the dynamics of the HubertDome.

Colin.
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From: usscoop1@bnr.ca (Chuck McCusker P015)
Subject: Re: More Rocket Bashing
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:04:47 GMT

In article <29JUL92.21531172@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|> the regular season.  Stop me if I'm wrong, stat fiends, but I consider
|> his post-season performance to be underwhelming.  If he pitched in
|> October against a championship team the way he pitches, say, in April
|> against the Mariners, I doubt that the year 1918 would hold such
|> dismal significance for Red Sox fans.
|>
I don't remember 86, but in 88 and 90 I seem to remeber Roger pitching
very well. Usually he pitched into the 7th inning tied or leading (1-0)
only to have his pen blow it. If someone could plese post some info on his
post-season stats, it could maybe show us some things.

Chuck Ross - Stew didn't pitch too bad against the Twins the other night.
             12 hits - guess he was lucky.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The End of an Era
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:37:46 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <gePNTAL0Bwxd1NuV46@transarc.com>, Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com writes:
> 
> 
>   From the wednesday, July 22nd issue of USA Today:
> 
>   "The Mariners released RHP Jim Acker Tuesday for
>    the purpose of giving him his unconditional
>    release. Acker, who was 0-0 with a 5.28 ERA in
>    17 appearances this season, has been on the
>    15-day DL since June 15 with a broken bone in
>    his left wrist."
> 
> 
>    The King is dead, long live the King.
> 
> 

	You would have thought they'd at least trade him to the Dodgers for
Crews :-)

Brandon Cope

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Alex Cole
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:38:37 GMT

In article <55444@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Heard on WTBS yesterday while Alex Cole was hitting from I believe Ernie
>Johnson.
>
>"When Cole first come up in the Cardinals' system, they thought he was
>another Vince Coleman who could steal 80-100 bases a year. The problem
>for him has been getting on base."
>
>Has Coleman ever had an OBP as good as Cole's OBP while he was in 
>Cleveland? Cole gets caught stealing too much, but getting on base
>is not a problem for him.

I don't have Coleman's minor league stats, but you are right; Coleman's OBP,
except for this year and '87, hasn't been particularly good.

Cole, however, did have some problems at getting on base in the minors.  He
had a .311 OBP for AAA Louisville in '86, a .318 for AA Arkansas in '87,
and .307 for Louisville in '88.  It wasn't until '89 (his last year in the
Cardinals system before he was traded for Omar Olivares) that he had a .379
OBP (at Louisville).

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: canrem.com!russell.tisseman@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: rc/27 for ss'
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:47:00 GMT
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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NL=>Manuel Lee, Toronto             4.18 (definitely not an all-star)

Maybe not an all star but his defense makes up for this. And anyway I 
will take a solid fielding shortstop over a good hitting shortstop who 
can't field.

I was one of the guys who were down on Manny at the start of the year 
but this little guy looks better as time goes on. I am very pleased 
with his hitting and ecstatic over his fielding.

Cheers.....

               Russel
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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: More on Big Frank
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:51:36 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.164601.8022@news.acns.nwu.edu> jlesgold@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jacob Lesgold) writes:
>In article <3575@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>>As of about a week and a half ago, Frank Thomas was on a pace to finish the
>>season with 309 times on base and 286 total bases.  
>
>Is it unusual for a player to have more times on base than total bases,
>or does this happen frequently? 

I imagine Brett Butler does it just about every year.  However, it is very
very rare for a slugger to have more times on base than total bases.  The
astonishing thing about Frank is not that he has more TOB than TB, but that
he has such high levels of both simultaneously.  300 TOB and 300 TB is an
absurd level of production.  200 hits and 100 BB barely gets you there!  The 
players since WW2 who have made 300/300 at least once are:
(from memory, I'll double-check later) Wade Boggs, Pete Rose, George Brett,
Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Stan Musial.


-- 
        David Tate         |   When I was a rookie arm and bit 
  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   And the greenest hurler to take the mound
  Prof. of Story Problems  |   (Sighed the old southpaw, dying of innings)...
  Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR  | 	"Lament", Dylan 'Big Frank' Thomas
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins/Bo-sox Game-12....26 July 1992
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:51:31 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

The Twins beat the Bo-sox 8-2 in the final head to head
game between the two. Out of the 12 played between the
two, the Twins won 9 and lost 3.

Yesterday's game was a close one till the 7th when the
Twins' offence exploded and 10 batters came to the
plate and 5 runs were scored. Chilli homered in the 
top of the 8th to make it 8-2.

Tapani picked his 11th win to go 11-5.  
The Oakland/Twins showdown begins at the dome today
with the Twins hosting games 8, 9, & 10. Of the 7
played till now with the As, the Twins have won 5 
and lost 2. John Smiley(10-4) takes the mound....
Should be exciting...

S.H
Win or lose, Twins forever...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:28:33 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Info on the Greenville, S.C. Braves?

  If anyone out there has current stats and any general information on a
specific player who plays for Greenville, Andy Nezelek, please e-mail me some
stuff.  He was a friend of mine at Bucknell, where he played college ball and
got a degree in engineering.  He was in Richmond for years, and his arm got
hurt and he is now working his way back (hopefully through the expansion
draft).  Thanks in advance!
Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: heilig@crchh120.bnr.ca (Timothy Heilig)
Subject: Suspended Game?
Organization: "Bell Northern Research"
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:50:13 GMT

Could someone please tell me what the official
rule is in this situation:

Game tied 0-0 after 5 innings.  In top of sixth, 
visiting team plates a run, but rain stops play 
before top of inning is complete.  What is the 
official ruling if play is not resumed?

Also, is the ruling the same if it is in extra innings?

When if ever does a game end in a tie.

E-mail responses to heilig@bnr.ca would be appreciated.

                                            Tim
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jerald Clark, stinker or stud? (was: Padres mid-season)
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:28:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Jul22.082341.2123@ucselx.sdsu.edu> llarson@ucselx.sdsu.edu (L.M.L) writes:
>demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:


>>I disagree.  Stephenson will hit better, especially platooning.
>>Ward is a great defensive LF and can probably out hit Clark too.
>>Azocar stinks, though.

>You gotta be kidding me!!!.  If Ward were such a great player both offensively 
>and defensively, what take him so long to get to the Show? The guy is 30!!!
>Ward owns the lowest b.a. on the Pads roster right now and hasn't done
>anything off the bench lately.
>Stephenson may be able to out hit Clark but can he run? If I remember it
>correctly, he just had knee surgery last season.  
>Azocar is doing much better than Ward: getting 5 hits in 13 abs and 
>couple rbis.

We can disagree, but I didn't say Ward was a great offensive player,
just that he can probably out hit Jerald Clark.  He really hasn't
gotten much of a chance this season, starts one game a week and
pinch hits.  He does draw the occasional walk, which is why his
OBP is higher than Clark and Azocar (though still
pretty bad, but how does a .180 hitter get a good OBP anyway).

From today's USATBW: 
	 BA   OBP  SLG
Ward:	.188/.286/.282  85 AB
Clark:  .229/.282/.362 271 AB
Azocar: .227/.269/.261  88 AB

As to what took him so long to get to the majors, let me point
out that he is in the Padre organization, which spent a lot
of time trying to get Shawn Abner et al. to hit, while never giving
*any* opportunity to Warren Newson, nor much of one to Shane
Mack nor Alex Cole, nor Thomas Howard  (who isn't very good
anyway, but is better than Abner or Clark).  I don't think
it's Ward's fault.  He's always put up decent minor league
numbers, though I admit he's not going to be (and never would
have become) a superstar.  

The Padres have a competitive team, and can challenge for
the division title.  They have players at 5 positions who
are near the best in the league, and Jackson is ok in CF.
The pitching staff has been disappointing, but is pretty
decent, really.  If they played Ward/Stephenson instead
of Clark, it might make 1-2 games difference; that could
be a *big* difference at the end of the season.

Even Jim Vatcher should be an improvement, though the 
organization seems to be pretty biased against little guys
with power... 
-- 
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From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Tommy Greene
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:39:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu


Can anybody provide an updated injury report on Phillies pitcher Tommy Greene
(is he on rehab yet, when is he expected back, etc.)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


-hankwong
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 18:32:49 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 15

With one out in the top of third inning with a runner on first, the
batter hits a liner into left center field that drops in for a hit.
Rounding the second base bag, though, the runner from first misses
the bag, scoring on the play. The batter-runner trots into second.

Noticing that the runner from first missed touching second base,
the second baseman asks for the ball from the third baseman and
makes an appeal to the second base umpire, who quickly declares the
runner from first out.

As the official scorer, how do you score this play in regards to
the runner and the batter-runner? Who gets credited with what and
why?

+===============================================================+
||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
+===============================================================+
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves lose - finally!
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:40:18 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <64397@hydra.gatech.EDU> tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller) writes:
>
>  Well, it finally happened.  As the Braves tried to beat the Pirates
>in the 3rd game in Atlanta this weekend (thus achieving a sweep) and
>set a new winning streak record of 14 games, things seesawed back and
>forth until the final 5-4 Pirates victory.  

This was a superb three-game series, but I have to say that the quality of
officiating was pretty miserable.  Ball/strike calls were (again) the most
notable problem area.  All three umps had wide, short, inconsistent strike
zones.  The bad calls went about equally against both teams, although the
absurd "strike two" call against McClendon in the first inning of game 2
probably cost the Pirates that game, as it turned out.  (Van Slyke was going
on the pitch, which was low and outside.  McClendon took it for ball 4, and
started trotting down to first.  The ump called a strike, and Van Slyke was
thrown out at second.  McClendon eventually made out, stranding two runners
and preventing Bonds from batting in the inning.  It would have been one out,
bases loaded, and Bonds up.  Braves won, 1-0, in the end.)

The most blatant missed call went against the Braves in game 3.  Ron Gant (I
believe it was) was attempting to steal second, and the Pirates called a
pitchout.  Don Slaught took the throw at the front of the righty's batters'
box, and threw Gant out.  It was a flagrant catcher's balk, but no call was
made.  Slaught was *not* behind the plate when the pitch was released.


-- 
        David Tate         |  "Complacencies of the fungo, and late 
  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   Infield and B.P. in a sunny field
     "Sunday Afternoon"    |   [...]         mingle to dissipate
  Wallace "Vern" Stevens   |   The holy hush of Pastime National..."
From: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rickey vs. Vince
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



Ron, you are the winner of the bet.  Tell your friend to place his order
at Taco Bell.  Rickey set the single season record of 130 in 1982.
The best Vince has done is 110 in his rookie year, 1985.

-- Ted Findler
-- 
__________________________________________________________
|        Ted Findler         | Watch for Cal in June '95 |
| efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil |  Consecutive Game #2131   |
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: AMATEUR: Miskatonic slaughters opponent - It's Grim.
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:28:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Paul Andresen Water Buffalo Spotting Society

Miskatonic faced off Tuesday night against the Far Slide, arguably
the weakest team in the SVBL.  The Far Slide is last in the league in
runs scored and runs allowed, and is BY FAR the oldest team on the
schedule.  However, they are generally the nicest guys as well.

Miskatonic sent me to the mound to face Nick Sprydakis, winless in 11
starts in the '92 season, and bolstering an ERA
which, in his own words is 'higher than three....squared."

The linescore....

Miskatonic 333 842 - 23 29 0
Far Slide  000 000 -  0  1 1

Sometimes, it's important for a league coordinator to bump people out
of the league. Game called after six, due to seven-run rule.

Vital statistics:

		IP    H    R    ER    BB    K
Huckabay, W      6    1    0    0      1    4

		AB    R    H    BI    BB    K
Huckabay p       6    4    4    3      0    1

HR: Paredes (11), Chipley 2 (4), St. Clair (1), Westlund (7), Huckabay
2 (3), Morrisey (3).

To say the least, Nick was NOT 'bringing the noise.'

Stathead update:

	    G   GS  IP   H  BB  K  HR  ERA
Huckabay G  6   6  45.1  16 25  67  5  2.58

	    G   AB   R   H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   K   SB  CS
Huckabay G  8   29   12  12   2   0   3   7   7   12   3   0

That's a .414/.528/.793 clip.  Should be a lesson in sample size, but this
brings my career SLG up to .402.  Never mind the fact that most of my 
hitting has come off of total fluff pitchers who shouldn't be out there.

League average offense for the first half: .286/.350/.409, with some
omissions.  Most of the poorer teams are lax about their statistics, and
some games are missing.

Pitching mechanics update:  My heater was NOT back last night.
I couldn't get my leg drive in sync with my shoulder and elbow release, 
as usual, and was throwing 72-73 most of the night, as usual.  
I've been experimenting with a screwball a little bit, and threw
six of them last night, including the Slide's only hit, a second inning
double off the wall, some 395 feet from home plate.  Fortunately, the
guy who hit it is slower than Dave Kirsch chasing a naked Lundy.

The Pods return to the diamond tonight, with yours truly penciled in
for CF, where he can feel every extra pound he put on while sick.

Oog.


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From: JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: DICKS THAT SHOULD BE IN OTHER GROUPS
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:43:26 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I'M SO SICK OF SEEING THIS :=) IN A NEWSGROUP DEVOTED TO
THE LOVE OF SPORTS THAT I DEMAND THAT IT CEASES. GOT A PROBLEM ?
SEE ME PERSONALLALY!
----------------------------------------------------------
 James D. Craft <JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
 REMEMBER, WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE KIDDING...THEY'RE NOT
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:45:15 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <3754@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rrmst3+@pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.221235.3817@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>In article <3690@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rrmst3+@pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari) writes:
>>>Just because you can't have first hand knowldege of it doesn't make it okay to
>>>ignore it IMHO.
>>
>>If I don't have any way of having any sort of accurate knowledge about it,
>>then I would be just as well off making things up.  That's the problem.
>
>I disagree with that.  Why would you be better off making up a story that says
>Barry Bonds is a great guy who gets along with everybody when there are stories
>in the local paper and on the local news that show him getting into arguments
>with Leyland and complaining about how much money he makes as compared to other
>players on his own team?

Because I have other stories in the paper quoting Leyland and other players
saying that they have no problem with Barry Bonds, that Barry Bonds gives
100% all the time, and the stories about his complaining are overblown.

OK: so what's the truth?  What effect is either having on the ability of
the team to win games?

My point is that I can't have anything close to accurate knowledge about
the attitude of any player, much less how that attitude translates into
winning or losing games.  The information is so inaccurate as to be as far
from any reality as making things up would be.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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