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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:52:17 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Aug29.081247.28321@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>Canadians travelling outside North America are usually advised to display
>a Canadian flag prominently on their clothing or backpack so that they
>won't be mistaken for "loud irritating obtrusive American tourists".

  When I travelled in the US, we had to put a Swedish flag on our car to 
avoid being mistaken for "loud irritating obtrusive German tourists".

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From: smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:48:23 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1992Sep3.023135.23220@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 21329KAD@MSU
(Kim Dyer) writes more errata about US universities:

>Sir, perhaps there ARE college and graduate programs in the US that are
>superior to most of those in other countries.  The reason you see so many
>foreign nationals in US schools could just as easily be explained by OUR
>schools having lower admissions standards then THIERS.

I don't want to be in the position of defending the arguments of an
unreasonable post, but Mr. Malone's characterization of American
universities is fairly accurate.  There is no `perhaps' about the
general superiority of American college and graduate programs.  The
flocking of students to these programs cannot be explained by lower
admission standards.  This is not to say that some of the migration of
students to the US is because they are shut out of elitist systems in
their home countries, but it is saying that this was not what Malone
was referencing.

>As for Americans WORKING and not being ABLE to take 6 week vacations
>.. I actually find this troubling.  How do those folks in Japan manage
>to get as much if not MORE accomplished and still put in fewer hours?

Folks in Japan do not put in fewer hours.

SJM
From: nileshb@news.chips.com (Nilesh Bhagat)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Info about Baja California wanted
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:09:26 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Chips and Technologies, San Jose, CA

Hi Netters !

I will be driving to Baja California during
Labor Day weekend. I will be visiting Rosarito 
and Ensenada towns. I like more information
regarding things to do in that area. Restaurants
suggestions will be appreciated too.

Thanks in advance,

-Nilesh Bhagat
 (e-mail address : nileshb@chips.com)
From: rbs@uk.ac.ed.aisb (Robert Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Bicycles and London (UK) tube system
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:57:39 GMT
Reply-To: rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland


In article <1992Aug26.190235.23542@julian.uwo.ca> rjames@sunsage.biotstats.uwo.ca (Rob James) writes:

	   I will be arriving at Heathrow airport in the next few weeks
   with my bicycle.  Can I take it on the tube?  Are there time-restrictions
   for having the bike on the tube?

   Rob James


I once took a bicycle from Edinburgh to Guildford in Surrey
which involved travelling on BR from Edinburgh to London,
taking the overground train from Kings Cross Station to Waterloo Station,
and then catching BR again to Guildford.
Crossing London on overground train was hell since the trains are infrequent
and stop many times.

The underground doesn't allow bicycles at all and the city overground
trains don't allow bicycles during rush hours (around 7.30-9.30 am
and 4.30-6.00 pm at a guess).

So basically no you can't. You'll get stopped at the barrier.




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From: mnj@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (madhuri.jarwala)
Subject: : Accomodation in Pocono Mountains, Pennsylvania
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:00:56 GMT
Keywords: Hotel, Bed and Breakfast

We want to spend a few days of vacation in Pocono Mountains. Can
anybody recommend a nice Bed and Breakfast place or a decent hotel/motel? 
Suggestions about what to do and see are appreciated. We just want to have
a relaxed time. Please post or email. I will summarize if there is enough 
interest. Thank you.

--Madhuri Jarwala
mnj@pruxp.att.com
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From: spindler@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Subject: Re: Miami and Hurricane
Reply-To: spindler@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Organization: RSMAS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:47:25 GMT

In article <BtKG18.FoJ@wpi.WPI.EDU>, llew@wpi.WPI.EDU 
(Lok C. Lew Yan Voon) writes:
>
>Anybody knows whether guests at beach hotels along Miami Beach
>had to evacuate when the hurricane alert was on?
>

The entire Miami Beach area was evacuated Sunday before the storm, along with
Key Biscayne.  Tourists and residents were told to leave the evacuation areas.
Evacuation of the Florida Keys was encouraged, but it was never made mandatory.

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From: gjnelson@ee.umn.edu (Grad student Greg Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:56:26 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, U of MN, Mpls.

I think that the typical American in foreign lands is *much* ruder
than the foreigners that come to America.  Not only do most
Americans assume that everyone speaks English, they have no
gratitude for those that do.  Last time I was in Europe, I
saw a man accuse a worker in our hotel of lying to him on the
phone because he said the room included a bath.  Well, it did
include a bath, but no toilet.  If Mr. Ugly American hadn't
been so ignorant of Swiss customs, he would have understood 
that "bath" meant just that - bath.  He then asked us if
we had had problems with "they" ripping us off.  We said no,
and tried to explain the flaw in his logic, but he couldn't
be reasoned with.  Since we dealt with the hotel in French, 
we had no communication problems.
Even ruder was the man we saw at an Austrian restaurant.  He
ordered in English, tried talking to young children in English, 
"Hey kid, you speak American", then paid for his food
with $20 bills! "I can't deal with this funny money", he said.
My wife and I laughed when the waiter gave him a 10-1 conversion
rather then the 13-1 in effect at the time, and also told
him that the tip was not included.  Again, since we were using
German, we had no problems with this same waiter.  We were happy
that he took our idiot countryman to the cleaners.
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Information wanted on whale seeing trips near Vancouver BC
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.224207.13199@bio.vu.nl> wezel@bio.vu.nl (Jos van Wezel) writes:
>Within a few days my vacation will start in Vancouver (Canada). Can someone
>sent me information (telephone numbers, contacts) about companies or 
>organisations that organise trips to see Orca whales around Vancouver Island.
>
>From there the journey will go south to as far as San Diego. I heard about
>the sight seeing tours to the Gray whales off the coast of San Fransisco. Does
>anyone know if this is the season or inform me about where to ask for that.

Orca-watching trips go out of Robson Bight, near the north east end of
Vancouver Island.  I went on this trip two years ago and enjoyed it a lot.

Grey whale-watching trips go out of Uclulet (and maybe Tofino too) on the
Pacific rim side of Vacouver Island.  The Pacific Rim itself is rugged and
spectacular, but the weather can be unpredictable even in the summer when
the other side of the island enjoys almost non-stop sunshine.

Information on either excusrion should be easy to find anywhere on
Vancouver Island.  There may be other whale watching excursions in BC, 
I dunno.

-- 
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Dept of Comp Sci, UofT     I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty."
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   -- The Simpsons
From: john@pyrmania.pyramid.com.au (John Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: India/Nepal/Kashmir - info needed
Keywords: India, wonderful, rave, rave, rave
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:59:19 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Perth, Western Australia

In article <1992Sep2.073652.12960@citec.oz.au> sgccncr@citec.oz.au (Nick Russell) writes:
>
>I'm going travelling in India and Nepal in about ten days, taking roughly 
>the following route: 
>
>	Calcutta - Darjeeling - Kathmandu - Pokhara - Varanasai - Agra - 
>	Delhi - Srinigar - Leh - Delhi - Jaipur - Jodhpur - Udiapur - Delhi.

I too will be interested in any responses to Nick's questions.

As for must sees (IMHO), if you're going to Jodhpur, you MUST go to Jaisalmer.
For those who don't know, the town and fort seem to just spring up out of the
surrounding desert. To copy every travel brochure's cliche', it's real
"Arabian Nights" stuff (yes, I know the cliche' is mis-placed).
It's about eight hours on the train, and is superb. Make sure you get the day
train in at least one direction. The scenery through the train window
 is great too.
In Jaisalmer itself, I would recommend staying at the Hotel Paradise, one of
two hotels in the fort proper. It's a bit of a walk up into the fort (vehicles
are not allowed), but do it. Our room was right on the edge of the fort, and
looked over a village. Every night at sundown it was fascinating watching the
camels, donkeys, goats (not to speak of people :-) returning home after the
day. Sigh.
Camel safaris ? Well, I'll pass, but lots of people love them. To each his
own.
Other places ?
Didn't spend long in Jodhpur :-(, but the fort is brilliant.
Near Jaipur, don't miss Amber Palace. (As if Jaipur isn't scenic enough on its
own...) Have a meal at LMB. Vege food, and superb. Check out the Lonely Planet
India guide - very good I reckon.
Delhi - my favourite Indian city. So much to see, do and eat! Excellent South
Indian food at the Sona Rupa on Janpath (and ice-creams at Nirula's :-)
AND! The Tandoor, in the President Hotel, near Tourist Camp (can't remember
the street name :-(. IMHO the world's best Tandoori food.

I could go on forever, but I won't. If you want any more info, please email
me and I'll gladly respond. I have raved on the net before about India, and
will probably do so again before long.

BTW, for your next trip, go to South India! It's even better!

John.

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From: llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Miami and Hurricane
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:58:20 GMT


Anybody knows whether guests at beach hotels along Miami Beach
had to evacuate when the hurricane alert was on?

Xref: sparky rec.travel:12318 rec.travel.air:4239
From: amit@hypothesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Amit Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Lost passport at Airport : What can I do?
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:39:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hypothesis.cs.berkeley.edu


This saturday (Aug 22), I was travelling by NorthWest from 
Washington DC (Washington National airport) to San Fransicso 
(via Minneapolis). At the metal detector/x-ray security check,
I put my fanny-bag on the x-ray belt, and didnt remember to 
pick it up. The bag contained

1. my passort (Indian, with F1 student visa)
2. $150, in cash.

At Minneapolis, I talked with a NorthWest employee at the lost 
baggage counter, who promptly talked with the NorthWest folks
at the DC airport. However, they couldnt find the bag. I then
filed a lost item claim at the NorthWest counter at the San 
Francisco airport. 

Later, I talked with an airport (Washington DC) security office
employee. They too had not heard about the bag. He asked me to call
again the next day, and told me that if they find the bag, I will 
be required to come in person to collect the bag!! 

Could some knowldegeable netter pl tell me what (else) I can do. 
I will be very grateful.

thanks

-amit

amit@cs.Berkeley.EDU

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From: jaygee@tcs.com (Jeremy Giddings)
Subject: Help with hotels in Amsterdam
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:01:46 GMT

On an upcoming trip to Europe, I will have to spend one night in Amsterdam.
 My flight in arrives at 5:00 PM and my flight out the next day is at 1:00
PM, so there is less than 24 hours.  I did this last year (without making a
reservation in advance) and ended up at the Holiday Inn.  Does anyone have
any suggestions on less expensive hotels/pensions near the railway station
in Amsterdam?  If I were to stay closer to Schipol (not that Schipol is far
from Amsterdam), are there any interesting one-night alternatives (small
town inns, pensions, etc.)?

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From: tki@atk.tpo.fi (Tuukka Kirveskoski)
Subject: Hurricane in Miami
Organization: Tampere Telephone Co, Tampere Finland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:32:43 GMT

I would be grateful if you could provide me with the information
concerning the destruction of Andrew in Miami City and Miami Beach.
I'm planning a travel to that area next month and want to know
what is the real situation there.

Thanks
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From: swd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (steven.w.dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Rochester New York Information Wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:02:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Aug26.190253.14442
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Greetings,

I find myself going to spend September and October of this year in
Rochester New York. Not knowing anything about this area except
that Kodak is located in Rochester, I felt that asking you on the
net would increase my knowledge. So.............

What is there to see and do in the Rochester New York area and
surrounding areas (by surrounding I mean not more than a 4 to 5
hour drive).

Please reply to me via email and I will provide a summary for 
the net.

Thanks to all.

Steve Dawson
swd@ihlpy.att.com
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From: brafman@CS.Stanford.EDU (Ronen Brafman)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Robotics Department, Stanford University, Ca. USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:24:33 GMT

I must say that I am surprised by the tone of the responses
to the original posting. In most other newgroups one would get
a lot of flames back. It is really pleasent to find a newgroup
in which people are not looking for their chance of getting their
aggresions out.

Actually I have little experience with Americans abroad, when I
was in India I met only a few Americans, much fewer than any other
nationality, and they were fine.  From that I got the impression that
most Americans prefer more comfortable environments, and since I must 
admit some prejudice, similar to that expressed by the original
posting, I assumed that American who come to places like India are
more open minded.

Unfortunately, the phenomenon of rude behaviour when in large groups
is also characteristic to the younger Israelis, fresh out of the army.

Ronen Brafman
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From: John.Risk@bbs.oit.unc.edu (John Risk)
Subject: NC-OK travel companion wanted
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:22:46 GMT

I will be traveling I-40 on or about sept 9th going to Okla, and returning
the 12th or 13th.  If you need a ride all or part of the trip, send me e-mail.

John

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From: tencati@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Subject: Re: The naming of the transit system in the Bay Area.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:13:00 GMT

In article <4851@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, williaml@cs.concordia.ca (LEE william) writes...
>I recently visited the Bay Area in California and one thing that I haven't 
>been able to figure out is why do people over there call their transit system 
>the BART.  Was it named after a character such as Bart Simpsons or does 
>it stand for something else?  

BART stands for... Bay Area Rapid Transit

Very orginal if you ask me!
From: pgf@cayman.COM (Paul Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: hostels/guesthouses, Seattle and Victoria
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:11:08 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge Ma

It's beginning to seem that this should be in a FAQ!  Anyone care to
recommend any of the cheaper places to stay in Seattle of Vancouver?  I'm
thinking of "backpacker hostel"-style places.  Frankly, I have more hopes
for Victoria than for Seattle, big bad America being what it is....  :-)

paul fox, pgf@cayman.com
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From: mikem@uxrd15.uucp (Michael Meehan)
Subject: Grand Canyon Camping
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:07:40 GMT


Hello travelers,

I'm planning a vacation to the South West for the second week of October,
including a few days at the Grand Canyon.  I'd appreciate if anyone could
provide some info on any of the hiking trails and tent campgrounds reachable 
from the South Rim, including your opinions, experiences, etc.  We'd like 
to camp for one or two nights.

Also, I should add that I'm new to the camping scene.  I've taken day hikes
before but never an overnight trip.  I'll be with a friend who has some 
camping experience.

Thanks,
Mike

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From: raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive expatriate American
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:36:07 GMT

In article <29414@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU>, smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep3.001323.19527@athena.mit.edu>
|> raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein) writes some mistaken
|> statement about American universities:
|> 
|> >I don't think Mr. Margulis intended to say anything about American 
|> >universities.  The best American universities are probably the best 
|> >universities in the world, thanks to private financing which saves them
|> >from government neglect.  (As opposed to the primary schools.)
|> 
|> University of Michigan, University of Texas at Austin, UCLA,
|> UC-Berkeley, University of Wisconsin - Madison, etc. were all public
|> schools last time I checked and all are excellent.  

But they do get a lot of private funding in addition to government money,
don't they?  (I probably made myself a little unclear; with ``public schools''
I meant ``public primary/high schools'' without private funding.)

Yngve

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From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: toledo, ohio
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:49:51 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I will be in Toledo, Ohio for a few days in October at a conference.  I
would be interested in any suggestions of decent but inexpensive hotels
(I will have a car), and decent but inexpensive places to eat.  Also,
are there any brewpubs or good drinking establishments?  Any advice much
appreciated!

- Stephanie.
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From: Steve_Lammert@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: NYC parkway restrictions?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:45:50 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This weekend, I am moving my sister from Lancaster PA to Boston MA.
I've driven this route several times by auto, but never with a small truck
(U-Haul's 10' Toyota-based van, under 6000 lbs gross).

Question:  would the above vehicle be allowed on the Hutchinson River Pky
and/or the Merritt Pky?  My sister hasn't been on these routes before,
and I consider them preferable to the I-95 or I-84 corridors.  But, I
don't remember whether the restriction is "Passenger Cars Only", or
something more mundane (like a height restriction).

Please, no advice re: Tappan Zee, I-84, etc.
I *like* the Cross Bronx Expy :-)

TIA.

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