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From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:12:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wf2Drf200ioC84g0gV
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Folks,

    I have had many years of curiosity about Zhou's role in all the
movements since the establint of the "new China". I won't say that
Zhou was an conspirator of Mao, but at least I will say that zhou was
far from innocent of all the brutal movements occurred in china.

   I found it ironic that we have say that our wealth is bestow from
someone. Another thing that I have to point out is that the wepting
of the death of Mao ro Zhou is meaningless. As I remembered it, even
I "had" to wept.( direct victim of all these movements)
tie ju
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:03:05 GMT

In article <1ec1jlINNidc@csgo.usc.edu> gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou) writes:
>In article <BxvrGr.Mos@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>In article <1ebkfiINNgqd@csgo.usc.edu> gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou) writes:
>>>In article <92321.215727U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> Zhong Hau <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>>  How about videos : The Story at The Editorial Board
>>>>                   : Ke3 Wan4  (Yearning )
>>>>                   : Wei2 Chen2  (Besieged city)
>>>>
>>>
>>>All garbages.
>>>Even worse than the soap opera garbages like "Dallas", etc.

All the mainstream movies or tv shows are garbages which are meant to help
you kill your time. However, even garbages can be classified. For example,
"Startrek the next generation" is certainly one of hte best.

Some of Chinese movies directed by the new generation were very good.
Unfortunately I can't remember either the directors' or teh movies' names.
By the way, I don't like any of Zhang YiMou's movies.

>>>
>>Would you be kind enough to show us what are the non-garbages movies or
>>videos. (either chinese or western, seriously)
>>
>>Tingli Pan
>
>A lot, for example:
>
>... ...

I watched "When Harry met Sally" for the third time recently(not because of
the restaurant scene:-) 

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anyone Study T'ang/Silla History?
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:02:10 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

>From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
>Subject: Anyone Study T'ang/Silla History?
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:39:40 GMT
> (deleted)
>Please do not post followup articles to soc.culture.japan, because then
>this subject will go on for years, with people attacking each other for
> (deleted)

           There is a chinese word ( to be sure from T'ang ):
           Qian2 Ju1 er Hou4 Gong1

           Hope you understand it.

           X Xu
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From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: MFN
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:19:14 GMT

In article <92Nov19.100155est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>The US ought to lift the embargo against Cuba too, it is really having
>a lot to do with Castro humilated the US before, and the national Ego
>demanded until the Cubans goes down on their knees & apologize and give 
>Uncle Sam a nice blow job ;->, the sanctions will remain.  But nowadays
>Uncle Castro can't deliever the candy to his people, if uncle
>Sam wave some $$ bill in their face, even the most hardened Communist
>will give it a thought.  


	Same goes to Vietnam.  I have nothing against American's concern
on their POW/MIA's.  But shouldn't they have a minimum concern on
the feeling of Vietnam people?  After all, US GI's came from half a
world away and killed much more Vietnamese people than being killed.

	The arrogant news report these days about how Vietnam government
"suddenly" becomes coorperative and US President's message of "keep
being a good baby and my money will come" should have demonstrated
the face of US international policy.


  
	Eddie
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Ma FuBo, Garlic, Small Report
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:00:25 GMT

In article <101996@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>Gen. Ma Yuan, or Ma FuBo, is one of the greatest generals in Chinese history,
>IMHO.

I disagree; he really didn't do much other than putting down the Vietnamese
rebellion, but that's not the point here.
>
>One thing I admire him very much, is the introduction of gallic into China
>from Vietnam. Well, is it gallic? This is my question for knowledgeable netters.

Assuming that you meant "garlic," I don't think that is the case.

>Now, we use the word "Yi4Yi3" for another plants. But I always think "Yi4Yi3"
>which Ma FuBo used is gallic. First of all, gallic, not today's "Yi4Yi3",
>is helpful for people living in SE Asia, we may see this from the usage of
>gallic in Vietnam food.

>Secondly, there was a famous small report, which killed the whole family of
>Gen. Ma FuBo.
>
>After curing his soliders and winning the war, Gen. Ma thought gallic was a
>very good crops. So he bought a full wagon of gallic back to China and let
>soldiers to plant it.
>
>However, after he died, a small report was sent to the emperor: Gen. Ma carried
>back a full wagon of PEARLS each with diameter about one inch but did not
>present them to the emperor.
>
>Liu Xiu's jerk son then ask Gen. Ma's jerk sons to send this wagon of pearls
>to the court. But Ma's jerk sons could not find these "pearls" anywhere. None
>of these GaoGan's kids can imagine a great general's mind, none of them knew
>that Ma FuBo has distributed all those gallic to people to plant.
>
>Finally, Liu Xiu's jerk son killed all jerk sons and family members of Gen. Ma.

This is wrong.  Ma Yuen's family was *not* harmed by the emperor; Ma Yuen's own
marquisdom (is that the right word, for the land of a marquis) was stripped,
but otherwise his family was unharmed.  His daughter, in fact, later became an
empress (daughter-in-law of Liu Xiu).
>
>This is my last evidence that "Yi4Yi3" in Ma's time, was gallic. Because only
>gallic, not today's "Yi4Yi3" can be mis-observed as pearls of one inch diameter.
>
I disagree.  Garlic is not round, and does not shine like a pearl.  Yi Yi
(which, I believe, is called Job's tears in English, but I am not totally sure)
is small, for sure, but they can be misinterpreted as small pearls.

>I admire Ma FuBo. China can survive for 5000 years, basically because of this
>kind of great minds who can both defend and introduce good things into China,
>selfishlessly.

He also had a hand in the cultural heritage of the Chinese.  The expression
"wrapping my corpse with horse skin (Ma Ge Guo She(sp))" and the proverb
"If you imitate a tiger, you'll be a dog," both came from Ma as well.
(BTW, calling him Ma FuBo is not quite correct, IMO.  Unlike the case of
calling Li Bai  Li Tai Bai, where Tai Bai is the other name for Li Bai, Fu Bo
is actually his office (Fu Bo General, or the Wave-riding General), and not
really a name.)
From: alfred@bambi.tmc.edu (Alfred Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK Summary:
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:20:29 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.

In article <1992Nov20.050723.13236@csus.edu> vcsc327@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.190319.20610@wuecl.wustl.edu> anw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.175810.1475@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>
>   It is all divide and conquer. The British intention is to put their
>   man into the legislature so they can maintain their control and
>   influence beyond 1997. 

All (besides one) of the directly elected members in the last election 
(the first one in the HK history) of legislature council were
candidates supported by major pro-democratic organiations in HK.  
How do you to justify your above statement?


>   I don't think any sovereign nation will allow
>   one of their territory government under foreign control, especially
>   China.
>

Who was the country that promise automonous adminstration of HK after 1997?
The answer is PRC.  So, why does PRC respond so negatively to the proposal
that will allow HK people to be more involved in their own affairs?

>   Remember, HK will never become independent as some people wish.

Can you please clarify who are the some people in your above statement?

According to my knowledge, there is not a single organization or country
that had proposed about independence of HK.   

Where make you to come out such an idea? 

>   Kimbo


In addition, can you tell us more about your background so that we can
understand why do you have all these ideas?

Mr. Kimbo, if you are responsible for all your statements, please answer all
my questions.

Alfred Wu
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Deng Xiaoping = Angel ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:48:16 GMT

PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.174846.10199@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu says:
>>
>>Among the leaders in CG, I like Deng Xiaoping best. It seems to me that he is
>>a
>>non-communist among the CCP leaders. Compare to Mao, he is an angel while Mao
>>is a devil. I like him because he is practical and puts emphasis on economics.
>>I still remember his good economic policy in early 1970s that brought many
>>Chinese relatively better lives then. I hope he can live longer and thus give
>>China a period of time of stability and economic growth. It's more healthy to
>>pursue democracy and freedom based on the relatively developed economy.
>>
>>Carl

>He'd better find someone to blame for the 6.4 killings, or most chinese people
>will not forgive him, I think.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, I think ONLY most oversea Chinese from China. Right ? I think 
most Chinese in China think Deng has done a great job. 

China is such a complex country. Personally I do not think China
would be any better off NOW if the 'D-fighters' had succeeded during
the '6.4'.  I wholly agree with Carl that it's more healthy to pursue
democracy based on the relatively developed country. If the 'D-fighters'
had succeeded then, (6.4), I think many poor & illiterate Chinese
would be exploited just the same, if not worse. Now, before anyone
gets too emotional, I am not exactly supporting the CCP - far from
perfect I agree. But there is no easy way out really. Building the
country economy should be of paramount importance, rather than
harping on the 'Democracy' & related issues . (Look at India .)



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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:43:01 GMT

In article <BxvtH5.IIs@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.184450.6051@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>
>>It would prove that all these CMFN bills are just smoking screens for
>>power joggling. The Democrats's real intention was to embarrass Mr. Bush
>>and the Republicans. Now that they have successfully removed Bush from
>>office. CMFN would dissapear or become secondary. It's sad people like
>>Xiao-lin Li who,even though having been highly educated, 
>>are being played by politicians like cards
>>without even realizing this. When can you really grow up!
>
>Even CMFN includes MFN. So the real issue is not whether to
>have MFN or not, but to have MFN while having concern of
>other things in mind. For example, I bet if Pelosi is once
>again arrested by the Chinese police, her CMFN bill will
>be passed. I don't think Clinton would veto a bill made by
>the Democrats. I think the CG should have more concern on
>the Congress than that of Clinton. It takes more determination
>for Clinton to veto a Democrat's bill while it took one second
>for Bush to veto the Democrat. Remember Clinton does not make 
>the law, he either sign it or veto it.
>
>If you really want to have Clinton on your side, lobby Republican
>to initiate the CMFN :-).
The real issue is to GET something passed to embarrass Bush. MFN
goes both ways, it can hurt China, so can it hurt US.
If every politician is as scholastic and innocent as Xiao-lin Li, 
the world would be full of justice and politicians don't need to
manipulate things behind doors.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: RE CMFN
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:04 GMT

In article <By0vvI.8uH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  
(xiao-lin li) writes:

> For me, I would never want to see Deng's family being treated badly
> after his death. Zhuo Lin is an innocent woman and so are many of his
> family members. Besides Deng Xiaoping did make a lot of positive
> contribution to China in the last 15 years (I meant to write my personal
> thank to him in my Ph. D. thesis acknowledgement, I dropped it after
> the so-called anti-spiritual pollution movement).
> 

I don't think Deng Xiaoping should be held solely responsible to the  
"anti-spiritual pollution movement". It was the leftists like Deng Liqun and Hu  
Qiaomu who was so enthusiastic about it. Deng tried to balance the situation  
and had to make compromise. 

China can only be ruined by people like Deng Liqun and Hu Qiaomu.

Carl
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What the HK governor is doing? Why?
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:55:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov22.034218.1296278@sue.cc.uregina.ca> guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu) writes:
>In article <1ejgu8INNlvu@crcnis1.unl.edu> stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) writes:
>> (deleted)
>  Are you telling the rest of world you enjoy being ruled by the British ?

Well, so what? Steve Wu is not the only one afraid of 1997 deadline. The
China is simply ruined exactly by this kind of "big hats". Please reason.

>  I wish you do have a backbone. You are telling me you prefer the British
>  collect the HK savings rather then your fellow Chinese. The British have been
>  sucking your/our blood in HK for more than 150 years. I am glad you haven't
>  changed your family name yet.

Don't blame HK people, blame ourselves, well you may be young. So only old
Lix left on SCC to be blamed - though I never had any power to do anything
good or bad:-)  Steve may have said something wrong, but I think he is only
frustrated.

Don't worry too much, Steve. China is still hopeful. Now you guys are cursing
Zhu Rong-Ji. But let's assume there are two factions in the CG: reformers
and hardliners. Now, assume yourself is a reformer and you want to keep
HK system 50 years no change, facing this D-issue, what do you want to
tell HK people? Think about it and tell me.

-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys
Supersedes: <92324.204036SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:29:09 EST
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <19NOV199213025924@jane.uh.edu>, mece1us@jane.uh.edu says:
>
>I had very good discussion with a chinese gay ( short term as C) and a French
>gay (as F below) about world economics and especially about cars. C thought   t
>tha
>Japanese cars are the best, by looking at quality and price, and also from
>that
>most classmates bought Japanese car. And F responsed him by asking him to list
>ten best cars in the world. Will someone give me a clear idea what the ten
>best cars are in the world, what is your reason?
>
>
>Thanks.

  Tell your C & F don't toooo addict  to the best cars. There are something
 better than best cars, such as women. -)  No offensive.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai, the helper of Mao
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na 
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:01:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.180706.20219@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl_@nwu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.150619.20260@cunews.carleton.ca> wma@ella.carleton.ca  
>(Weidian Ma) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Zhou En-lai was the main supporter of Mao Zedong.
>> 
>> If Mao was good, so was Zhou. 
>
>Unfortunately, Mao was the greatest evil in Chinese history. So, what Zhou did  
>was called "Wei4 Hu3 Zuo4 Chang1". 
>
>Some people may like Zhou. But not me. I think that he already knew what Mao  
>did was wrong. But in order to keep his "Wu1 Sha1 Mao4" (position), he kept  
>licking Mao until he died. He had a lot of choices to leave Mao such as  
>pretending to be serious ill, which, many high-rank officials used to evade  
>their emperors in ancient Chinese history. 
>
he didn't "licking" Mao, their relationship is also a power struggle,
but not on the level Mao had with Liu, Peng, and Deng.  Zhou was always
his own man, his relationship with Mao was very complicated.  

>Compare to Zhou, Deng Xiaoping at least stood up and thus got prosecuted. Deng  
  
Deng XiaoPing did not stand up to Mao, well, he was standing with Liu when 
Mao stood up, Mao beat Liu up, and then Deng tried to sit down, but Mao
didn't let him, and beat up Deng too.  ;->  

Deng XiaoPing did not have the character of Peng DeHuai or Chen Yi,
remember what he said to the "great leader II" Hua GuoFeng after 1976,
go get a job from Chairman Hua?  
>could have done the same thing as Zhou did in early 1970s to keep his "Wu1 Sha1  
>Mao4". However, Deng didn't. His personality is certainly different from  
>Zhou's. That's why he got sacked again in mid 1970s. 

true, but Zhou concerned much more than his title, that's why I always
compare him to Di2(or is it Die2?) Ren2 Jie2.  Both of them "assisted"
dictators, did not stand up everytime when someone innocent of accused of 
a crime, although they did managed to fair the turmoil well for themselves,
and managed to save some of the people.  

I doubt anyone can do better than what those 2 had done, they were
brilliant men, and they did all they could.  
>
>Carl


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From: yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:06:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxtMAG.L3C
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BxtLto.K2q@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
>In article <BxtBvC.2CM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (yufeng tsui) writes:
>>In article <1e877eINN9p3@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
>>>a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
>>>
>>>If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
>>>
>>
>>NEVER say never.
>>
>>Who is this guy?
>>
>>--signed
>>
>>
>
>
>A whiteman's slave
>
There is no slave in USA today. I believe that Wang Gang comes here to learn 
sth. he cannot learn in China. If he can be viewed as a slave, how about that
who comes here to learn what he can learn in China?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:15:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.192117.22252@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.200706.@> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>>
>>These policies are bound to change. If SUN strictly hires people without
>>communist background, where would it get bargains like the backbone of
>>former Soviet computer science for $5,000 per scientist per year? That's it,
>>bussiness sense surpasses all.
>
>Perhaps $50k?  

Don't remember whether SUN gave financial aid to these scientists and keep
them in Russia or it actually brought the whole group over to US. In any case,
$50k wouldn't be a bargain, would it? Some of these people designed a
supercomputer similar to the Cray, but their idea was completely different.
That was perhaps why SUN wanted these people.

Disclaimer: The above is not written by a computer geek.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cxiong@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ( )
Subject: Re: zhou en-lai and his chara
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:48:33 GMT

In article <102695@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1ehk5uINN69@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca> kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan) writes:
>>(deleted)
>> Internet:kzhan@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca|| "Three generates everything".       
>> Internet:gilwf16@vm.uoguelph.ca         ||                                    
>>                                         ||      -- Lao Zi (Old Man)
>
>I don't think your quotation of Dr. ME is accurate. Without definition of
>the empty set (Wu) and basic unit, such a quotation is misleading. Dr. Me
>only emphasized the importance of the empty set, he was not emphasizing
>the imprtance of 3 at all. So what he said was something like "only with 0,
>we can get non-zero, thus, from 1 to 2, from 2 to 3, from 3 to ... everything".

I do not agree. Lao Zi says: "Something generated from Nothing (very bad translation!).
One generates Two. Two generates Three. Three generates everything." Of course,
different people can have different explanations. However, please do not 
under-estimate the meaning of "Three generates everything." In my opinion,
this statement is a very important conclusion which is from Lao Zi's sharp and
genius observation about nature and human society. In fact, when the authors
of the paper "Three means Chaos" decided to use the title, they intentionally
chose this title which was borrowd from Lao Zi. The longer I think, the more
respect I have to this statement. Lao Zi dose not stoped at Three by chance.
He has a very deep reason to do so.  

Perhaps, this statement also has something to do with politics. 
Chairman Mao thought it is good enough to know the two sides of "Mao Dun" and
their strugles. That is to say "Two generates everything". But, another CCP scholar
Yang XianZhen thought there is another thing called "He" of two sides. One
cannot overlook such a "He". So, that is to say "Three generates everything". Which
one is more correct? "Lao Li", perhaps, you have more to say about this.

Chuyu Xiong
Indiana



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Clinton's tougher line
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:35:22 GMT

Clinton said he will show "tougher line" toward China. In fact, chinese
goverment can play japan's card or some other cards.  Such "tougher line" will
only hurt chinese people and also american people.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:03:13 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CFMN?
 <BxxC15.FyA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <lglntoINNrng@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>

 >From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
 >Subject: Re: CFMN?
 >Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:28:40 GMT
 > (deleted)
 >The fact is people started to hate CCP since 1949. But, they have no
 >place to complain, no way to reverse the sistuation, and no way to change
 >anything. During 6/4 months, people  regain free air for weeks,

          It's better to set some 1-900- number for the
          convinience.

          X Xu
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