HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News From the Front -- Boulder
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:56:08 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1dc98gINN2er@marvin.solbourne.com>, misek@solbourne.com (Steve 
   Misek) writes:

> As expected, various fundraising activities have already begun to raise money
> to fuel the legal fight.  The local Democratic party (Denver and Boulder) has
> strongly come out against #2, and are rumoured to be soliciting additional
> support from the Federal level to help knock down #2.
> 
> It was rumoured that the campus organization has designed a T-shirt that has
> 	"Don't shoot, I'm actually a Black Bear"
> printed over a large pink triangle (In reference to the black bear protection
> ordinance which overwhelmingly passed in Tuesday's election #10)...  Now that
> black bears have more rights than we do...

     You might want to send this one into the folks at BEAR Magazine, or phone
it into them at 1-800-234-FURR!
-- 

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Don't teach kids tolerance...
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:12:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Most shocking part of all was that the all the effort that went into
>claiming that GLB-folk and people with disabilities don't have 'cultures'
               ^^^^^^^^                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We don't HAVE culture, dear, we ARE culture.

D.
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Donald L. Hardy                                    Office of Physical Planning
Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:24:39 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

	Congratulations!  For you a FREE CLUE has been planted in 
Bolivia.  Simply go there to redeem it and valuable prizes.

	Your homework - write a 1000 word essay on "why anti-discrimination
laws are important to gaining equal rights".  Frame it over your
desk as a reminder.

	Perhaps we could have you fired from Netcom for being gay.... would
that make it easier for you to understand?  OK --- add in that if we did
do this terrible thing ***there wouldn't be anything you could do to stop it
or serve justice about it***!  You can't fight it, you can't sue, even if
your company said they'd never do this horrible thing.

	Has the lightbulb been lit yet?

	Put another way... if OR:9 is "really bad" and CO:2 is only
"not-so-bad" does thatmean that you'll have an opinion on the relative
merits of being put to death in a gas chamber or say being impaled?
Yes, Andrew this *is* a war.  Wake up and smell the napalm.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:27:53 GMT

ryerson.schwark (ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
 
>   I find it harder to believe that of the bunch
> of queers booted, not one could act strayt enough, it just isn't
> that hard.
> 
Yah, but its no fun either!  You're straigt Budd,

mik 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: niteowl@stein.u.washington.edu (Dan Dreiberg)
Subject: Re: OCA launches _new_ petition drive
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:57:40 GMT

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>AND NOW!  FROM THE SAME KIND FOLKS WHO BROUGHT YOU OREGON MEASURE 9!

>(drum roll) (majestic fanfare blaat by massed nose whistle band) TA DA!

>   *   *   *   A new initiative petition drive   *   *   *

>to establish an government committee to oversee and control radio,
>TV and print news coverage.  All news reports would be scrutinized by
>this committee and censored for bias.  The OCA would, of course, have
>a seat on this committee.

>No, I'm not making this up.  They're perfectly serious.

>I suggest we call it the Ministry of Truth.
>-- 
>Brent Capps                          | 
>bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | All the News that's fit to nn.
>bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |


	Well I think that everyone should sign this petition. In fact
I think it's such a neat idea that everyone should sign this petition
at least 20 or 30 times. And why limit it to signing your own name? There
are lots of people out there who might like to vote for something
like this, but who can't for the simple reason that they're dead. Sign
for them too, and sign for all of the people who'd like to vote for
this but who can't because they're fictional characters or household
pets (groups who, along with the dead, are unfairly excluded from our 
political process, except in Chicago).
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Orange County Went Democrat?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 19:15:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov8.020730.9980@netcom.com> 
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> OC went for Bush, though not overwhelmingly. Clinton campaigned
> there (heavily) and got a good reception. They don't seem to like
> Bush any more then anyone else does.

Clinton did not campaign heavily in Orange or any other
California county.  He almost didn't campaign here at all.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Politics
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:02:32 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Sim Aberson writes:
>>In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
>>>* Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *
>>Any idea how that song plays on the G-rated version?  (The thought
>>of G-rated Prince makes me want to *hurl!*)

>The thought of *PRINCE* makes me want to "hurl".  He's been
>writing and re-writing the same tired, adolescent songs on sex
>for what, more than a decade now?  The only change has been that
>he's gotten even MORE narcissistic.

Where the hell did this come from? George, do you think your whines
are so earth-shakingly important that you have to jump in from out
of nowhere every time someone talks about anything that's remotely
unpleasant to you? Beyond the fact that you're wrong in saying that
all his songs sound the same, you had absolutely no reason to tell
us that our opinions are wrong about Prince; hell, he's got both a
beard *and* a hairy chest, so I'd think you'd have absolutely nothing
to complain about.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:44:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


Two zingers in a row.  Wow!  What a day..

In article <1992Nov10.230951.22562@tc.cornell.edu>,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) wrote:
 
> In article <mattm-101192100521@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

First off, note the lack of a go-between in the midst of Melinda's
a my own attributions.  I *must* be out of the Wicked Witch's 
kill file.  

Oh, sweet mystery of life at last I've found you!
 
> >Since January, darling.  Guess you're too cutting edge for me.
> >But tell me, Ellen, if the 'memo' is very old, and very tired,
> >and you were in the know long ago:
> 
> >  what does that make you?
> 
> Trust McMelon to think it insulting to call someone an adult.

Trust Melinda to accurately parse 'very old, very tired' into
'adult.'  There are *a* *lot* of adults in this newsgroup...

> Kind of like that Solvay idiot thinking it insulting to call
> someone a woman.

Dear woman, surely you are not suggesting that my own sexism
has abated?
 
> Well, McMoron, since you care so very much about the things
> that Ellen is, you can add 'well-liked' to the list.  You
> should be so afflicted.

Good word, that:  afflicted.  Has a nice ring.  Afflicted with
being well-liked.  Hmmmn.  Rather unusual juxtapotentabulation.
Afflicted is usually a negative word.  But perhaps Melinda
is on to something.  Let us deconstruct.  Well-liked where?
The context is this newsgroup, so it is perhaps that Ellen
is well-liked here.

'You should be so afflicted.'

Meaning, I should be well-liked here.

Now, afflicted is usually used with such things as disease.
Afflicted with crabs, as it were.  Perhaps Melinda's use
of the word *does* have a certain basis in reality...  

You should be so afflicted [meaning so liked, here on soc.
motss, meaning - swarmed by crabs...]

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1dp84bINN550@mizar.usc.edu>
	<CORWIN+.92Nov11120016@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
	<1drjnnINNm7g@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:25:42 GMT

In article <1drjnnINNm7g@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

   > CMU's policy of nondiscrimination includes sexual orientation.

   That's irrelevant.

Not if CMU is sued.

   > Acting is a form of art.  Art, as with anything creative, is an
   > expression of some aspect of one's self. [...]

   Yeah, so what?

...
   No.  I do believe that it's OK for people in acting 
   school to be forced to retrain their voices and bodies,
   and that if they refuse or are incapable of doing 
   that to the satisfaction of the school, then they've
   failed.  

So, you will define how others can be discriminated against?

Scott Safier                                   corwin+@cmu.edu
Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University
        
member, T.S.A.K.C.  B0/1 f+ w- g k+ s- m(+) e++

"Indeed, to quarantine a person with AIDS or the AIDS virus does
entail a loss, in the short term, of human freedom.  Agreed.  But the
idea of human freedom isn't now, and never has been, absolute.
Besides, in the long run, as I have noted, all people with AIDS die."
             John Lofton, columnist The Washington Times, March 31, 1989

Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:08:52 GMT

gh> Greg Hennessy
gs> Gary Strand

gs> My ideal world would contain no such protections for anyone. If you want 
    to fire me because I'm white, male, and het then that's your right. 

gh> Let me guess. You've never been fired for being a white, het, male, right? 

  Actually, I was let go from a job (that I needed to pay for college) because
  I was a *single* white het male. The boss gave my job to another white het
  male who happened to have kids. I guess the protections for marital status
  didn't protect me, did they?

  Then again, I'm not bitter about it. That's the breaks. I'm still paying off
  the loan I had to get to make up for the lost earnings.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1992Nov10.002439.23928@spdcc.com> <1992Nov10.042538.22775@netcom.com>
	<tdober-101192142117@toberkamper.llnl.gov>
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:53:43

In article <tdober-101192142117@toberkamper.llnl.gov> tdober@llnl.gov
(TDO) writes: 

   In article <1992Nov10.042538.22775@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
   M. Solovay) wrote:

   [...]

   > Meow! Someone got up on the wrong side of life this morning. You
   > ought to give some kind of warning to these postings; you know,
   > something like "Summary: Attitude Queen on the rag... Proceed
   > with caution". (How's that for flamebait?)

   Well, isn't that special.

   Andrew M. Solovay doesn't like something Bob Donahue posted, and therefore
   compares him to a menstruating woman.

   Delightful.

Oh, happy day.  I've learned some misogynistic slang I didn't know
before, courtesy of Mr. Solovay.  My life has been enriched.

If people are going to attempt to flame, they should really read
alt.flame for a while to get an appreciation of just how pathetic,
feeble-minded, and tired simple name-calling really is.

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: JPL, Space Imaging Radar Software Group
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:50:35 GMT


In article <BxMJBo.8HC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck) writes:
                                 ^^^^^^
                                 hey, Im a Purdue graduate too.

|>
|>In article <12NOV92.13585988@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
|>>There have been stories about him in the Advocate and on MTV.  He
|>>is very gay-supportive, has performed in gay bars, and is very
|>>happy to allow the men in gay bars to rip his pants off just
|>>like he allows women to do the same at non-gay venues.
|>
|>REALLY!  Ok, does anyone know when he'll be doing a show at a gay bar in 
|>Indiana???   I have to reserve front row seats now!  :)
|>
|>Patrick 


Well, during the first half of this year, MM was seen regularly at 
Gold's Gym Hollywood, who's clientel is mostly gay.  (well, the same can
be said of Gold's Venice)  

He was polite, but kept to himself.  And he was _very_ juiced up.

Also regularly seen at Golds Hollywood: Jeff Goldbloom, Jody Foster, Fred
Savage, his TV brother (?), Fabio (dont ask), some heavy metal musician that
I would never recognize, and lots of gay porn "actors".  (Once I counted
8 on the floor at once, mostly from Zeus and Falcon.)

And I once ran into Scott Madsen, a few year after the Soloflex ads.  He looked
quite average.  Either the fast life was getting to him, or he had spent
weeks and months dieting and exercising to get ready for the ads.

Most models that I know, like bodybuilders, need to time their training 
so that they peak on or near the day of their photo shoot.

--
Tim Fogarty
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1, STS-59
FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 11 Nov 1992 09:47:19 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <10NOV92.18411115@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> In a previous article, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
> >I don't understand why you keep harping on talent.  
>
> I don't understand why you are trying to apologize for people who 
> remove students from an acting department simply because they
> are gay.  Their so-called mannerisms were used as an excuse, but
> it seemed quite apparent to me from the original article that
> even the Bob Sarvers of the department were removed.

We must have read different articles.  In any case, I'm 
not trying to apologize for people who remove students 
from an acting program simply because the students are 
gay.  What I am trying to do is point out that a student
actor's personal mannerisms -- and we all know *exactly* 
what kinds of mannerisms are involved here -- are a 
legitimate concern of an acting program, particularly an
acting program as prestigious as Carnegie Mellon's.
Professional acting programs are in the business of turning
out professional actors who are capable of playing a wide
variety of roles.

> > If an actor is in such poor control of
> >his voice and body that he camps it up during every scene,
> >then I really don't care how much "talent" he has.
>
> Any actor who "camps it up" in every scene doesn't have "talent."
> I don't think this has been the case here.

From the original article:

> >>His letter informing him that he was cut from the program
> >>said that he was "still riddled with personal mannerisms."  In a
> >>second letter from then CMU Drama Department head Mel Shapiro, Eric
> >>was told, "You present a very androgenous persona on stage which will
> >>not help you get jobs in the future.  You need to work on much more
> >>physical strength and masculine colors.  Camp can only be rewarded by
> >>your classmates, not by the profession."  

Of course I don't know what this student's work was 
like, but Mel Shapiro's letter strikes me as completely 
unobjectionable.

> >Yes, that is what I mean by "personal mannerisms".  I would
> >imagine that the school also tries to get students to lose
> >regional accents.
>
> I don't think this would be appropriate.  A good actor would lose
> (or gain) any accent in order to best play the role.

This is exactly my point.  If a student comes in with an
Ann Richards kind of accent, one of the first things that
any good program would do is to get that student to lose
the accent.  So too with fey personal mannerisms.

> Similarly, a good actor would lose (or gain) any type of mannerisms
> required for the role.  It is apparent to me that students and
> teachers were discriminated against because they were not heterosexual.

We really must have read different articles.

> Scott, did the CMU Theatre Department ever do any gay theatre?

You don't get it, do you?

Arne
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.5
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Nov5.153519.19910@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>Only twice has my life been so directly effected by an outside source.
>Only one other time have I felt so helpless.  I felt like a 
>calve going to slaughter.  I HATED being a victim.  I will never
>be one again!!!!  I have added the word HATE to my vocabulary.  After
>33 years of living on this earth I now can HATE.  I am so pissed about
>my new found feeling.  

I know the feeling.  If it helps, think of it as a loss of innocence.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:56:47 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <1992Nov6.011420.3901@quantime.co.uk>
>roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>>I've just discovered that
>>after seeing the term GOP all over the place for months
>>nobody I know here seems to know what it means.

>Grand Old Party.  How it came to be known as that I have no idea.
>It is old, but not my idea of grand.

At one time the GOP was indeed grand.  They stood for laissez-faire business
and civil rights.  Do keep in mind that a Republican administration won the
Civil war.  Sadly, thanks to the devoted efforts of such wondrous members of 
society as Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Pat Buchanan, David Duke,
William F. Buckley Jr., Pat Robertson, the GOP has come to stand for fiscal in-
competency; racial and religious supremacism, and restrictive domestic policy.
In the unlikely event that the 1992 elections actually change things, I hope
that perhaps the bigots and fools in the party will lose out, and the
Republicans will again have a chance to become grand.  I'm not expecting it, 
though.

MTC

>-- 
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>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
><>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
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Annoyance Theatre Platinum Member |     Evil Genius    |    \/  a FAMILY VALUE
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:52:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45736
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <mattm-111192143246@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.183039.9652@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) wrote:
>
>> Now turn on the fan, and insert your head.  
>
>Which head should I *insert* - Dear?

I would suggest that you choose the one that works, but I'm pretty
sure that you don't have that problem.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Show biz power
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:11:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: mizar.1dbv54INN9t1
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mattm-051192103002@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> Why, Dolphie - I do not know where you got the 10 million
> figure.

I got it from the LA Times, dear.  

> I suspect it is a *part* of the 60 million
> Warner handed over for the creation of her production 
> enterprise.  

No, this is a separate deal.  The Elton John-Bernie Taupin
catalogue was worth $39 million to Warner/Chappell.  Prince's
catalogue was worth $18 million to Warner/Chappell.  But poor
old Madonna was only worth a sad $10 million to them.  It just
goes to show that musically speaking, Elton John and Bernie
Taupin are FOUR TIMES MORE IMPORTANT THAN Madonna.  Prince is
TWICE AS IMPORTANT as Madonna.

Arne
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