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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Substantiate your claims, Zlatko
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:20:01 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <718422431@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>      I supposedly claim that my grandfather was killing
>      Croats in Jasenovac!  I GIVE YOU ONE WEEK TO
[stuff deleted]

Now you all know why Edward Wiener is commonly known as Whining Wiener
in SCT. There he used to prove that the Central Asians would be better
off under Soviet colonialism. Then he proved that no Armenians ever
killed a  single Turk or Kurd. Then when people disagreed he sent 
e-mails to all postmasters in the world that he should be protected.
Now he tries to prove that Bosnians are happy under Serbian invasion.
Don't bother sending mail in opposition or support of him.  No one
takes this chap seriously anyway.  

Kutluk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9048 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:274
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Massacre
From: Charles Weldon <CTWCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 08:45:23 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1apuo4INN19u@aludra.usc.edu>, draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
says:
>
>Mr. Richard Ross, an independent US reporter, who visited the Bosnian village
>of Milici, where the Moslem forces slaughtered the Serbian population, affirmed
>in an interview for "Channel S" of the Serbian TV in Bosnia, that he has person
>ally seen about 30 victims of the slaughter.
    etc.....
I have seen "Richard Ross", the "independent" American reporter 3 times on
Belgrade TV.  One of those times was the interview quoted in Politika and
by Zoran Draskovic.  In that interview the "American" spoke in English with
a Serbocroation voiceover.  It was interesting that Mr "Ross" spoke English
witha distinct Serbocroation accent.  When one considers the foliranje (fakery)
about the "independent" reporter, one wonders whether to believe his
reporting.
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croat Forgery II
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 06:59:39 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

> 
> >Dear Edward,
> >
> >Thank you for kissing my ass and ass of my regime.
> >Maybe you would accept money as a sign of my appreciation.
> >You came from bancropt Russia so it must be money interest you.
> >Pick up your check at Panic's office in CA. You are doing
> >a great job by defending our cetniks, our beloved animals.
> >I am also amazed how you love Serbs eventhough we killed a
> >lot of Jews in IIWW. Your brain is zestfuly clean.
> >I am happy that I can continue my barbaric policy thanks to
> >people like you.
> >
> >Slobodan Milosevic - Slobo, president of barbaric, fascist and mentaly ill
> >                           republic of serbia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Croat forger:
> 
> 
>       I am now convinced that there is no law you wouldn't break,
> no principle of human decency you wouldn't violate, no crime you
> wouldn't commit, no nation you wouldn't insult to rationalize
> your own black hatred.  My Jewish ancestry has already been
> subjected to racist slurs by one Croat; another claims I told
> him that my grandfather killed Croats in Jasenovac; a third
> now poses as the President of the Republic of Serbia to deride
> my support of Serb fears of Croatia on this net.  To these
> marginal charges and insults, I say this:  YOU ARE MEN WITHOUT
> AN OUNCE OF COURAGE OR CHARACTER.  YOU CANNOT EVEN TAKE
> RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OBSCENITIES AND RACIAL INSULTS YOU
> DISBURSE.  YOUR ONLY UNIFYING CONVICTION IS HATRED FOR SERBS
> AND JEWS, and in this situation, I stand with the Serbs.  I
> do not agree with Serb aggression in Bosnia, but I can see
> a world of difference between the courteous postings of netters
> like Vidic, Shane, Pavlovic, Draskovic, and others and the
> filth of Chicago Cro, Matanic, and other Croats.
> 
> 
> -- Eduard Wiener

  

            Ji-pi-ti-a          Dzubre  !

Stici ce vas nasa osveta!

Za Dom Spremni !

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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: For the Last Time
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:48:30 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Davor Matic (dmatic@athena.mit.edu) writes:
>As a Croat, it is my duty to protest about people that express their sick
>and frustrated opinions in the name of other Croats.  If you were Serbian,
>I might let you get by without commenting a word, but since you are a Croat,
>you make us look very bad.  Luckily, people like you are quite in minoroity,
>but unfortunately very loud.  And the saddest part about your article is
>that you don't realize that your sick descriptions of Serbs apply to you in
>so many ways...

Thanks, Davor for saying this. It is far too seldom we see someone
distance themselves from people on the own side. It is unfortunately
far more common to take lunatics from the other side to "prove"
how bad they are, but neglect your own mad-hatters.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,talk.politics.misc
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Serbian Patriarch to Meet Eagleburger
Organization: NDA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:28:13 GMT


Here is a press release from the Serbian Patriarch. 

I pass it along without necessarily endorsing anything he says.

 Serbian Patriarch to Meet Eagleburger
 To: Assignment and Foreign desks
 Contact: Joyce Visnick, 703-821-1394, for the Archbishop of Pech,
          Metropolitan of Belgrade-Karlovac and Serbian Patriarch

   WASHINGTON, Oct. 8    -- His Holiness Patriarch Pavle, 
the spiritual leader of 12 million Orthodox Serbs worldwide,
will meet with Acting Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger
at 3 p.m. today at the Department of State.
   The patriarch will make an appeal for the lifting of U.N.
sanctions against Yugoslavia on the basis that they are adding
to the humanitarian nightmare and perpetuating the very regime
they were designed to starve.
   In his search for a peaceful solution to the conflict, the
Serbian patriarch has led an antiwar march in Belgrade and issued a
joint appeal for an end to fighting with his Croatian counterpart
Franjo Kuharic, cardinal of Zagreb.  The patriarch has condemned
nationalist leaders on all sides of the conflict for the fighting,
including Serbia.  At the same time, however, the patriarch has
spoken out against one-sided international sanctions against Serbia
and Montenegro, which are sheltering 500,000 refugees.  He has
deplored the failure of the media and international community to
recognize the terrible suffering of innocent Serbian civilians
throughout the conflict and the fact Serbs were the principal victims
of the World War II Holocaust in the region.
    On Sept. 24, Patriarch Pavle and Cardinal Franjo Kuharic urged an
immediate end to the bloodshed in Bosnia by calling for peace talks,
the release of all prisoners of war and hostages, an end to ethnic
cleansing and the repatriation of refugees and unhindered
humanitarian aid supplies.  The announcement was made after a joint
meeting in Geneva.
    The religious leaders condemned all war crimes and distanced
themselves from those who had committed them, regardless of national,
military or religious affiliations.
    Moslem leader Ra'is-ul'Ulama Jakup Selimoski was invited, but did
not attend.  Both the patriarch and cardinal said in a letter to
Ra'is-ul-Ulama Selimoski that they regretted his inability to attend
this important gathering in Geneva and hoped he agreed with their
appeal for equality, justice and peace.  "We hope for a meeting at a
future date at which the three sides will have an opportunity to
exchange opinions and reach constructive conclusions concerning our
future life together in Bosnia-Herzegovina," the two religious
leaders said in their letter.
    The patriarch will continue appealing for peace while he visits
Serbian Orthodox Christians throughout the United States.
 -30-

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From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Bosnia
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:21:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun30.usc.edu

After the publication of photographs showing Islamic "mujahedeens"
holding chopped-off heads of Bosnian Serbs as trophies, the Italian
press is involved in a debate whether they should have been published
at all.
"Il Manifesto" from Rome,which dealt more frequently with the crisis
in Yugoslavia than the other Italian headlines, reminds its readers that
the war in Bosnia has been provoked by the EC. According to the paper,
even though it was aware  of the fact that Bosnia is a "barrel of powder"
the EC nevertheless incited Sarajevo to ask for international recognition
although it knew that the bosnian Serbs do not approve of it."And now we
are amazed by the fact that Serbs do not want to be a minority in Bosnia",
comments "Il Manifesto".
"The international community that did everything poissible to "cantonize"
Yugoslavia, now considers scandalous the Serbian proposal for the cantoni-
zation of Bosnia even though it is the only possible solution due to the
policy of the international community itself that pushed Bosnia into the
war".
"Il Manifesto" also indicates that the major peace-oriented efforts have 
been made by the Yugoslav "tandem" Cosic-Panic.
The Rome headline concludes the article with a question:"Will the Italian
press welcome the proposal of the US Senate to send arms to the Bosnian 
moslems and Croats for their fight against the Serbs, as another 'peace
effort in Bosnia'".
(Politika, October 5,1992)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 13:44:57 CDT
From: <U42824@uicvm.uic.edu> (Omniscient Lucifer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Solution in Bosnia
 <92287.110142U43587@uicvm.uic.edu>

In article <92287.110142U43587@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <Ibrahim
Sokolovic> says:
>
>In article <92286.110441U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago
>Cro) says:
>>
>>I want to throw up for discussion as to what the solution for Bosnia
>>should be. I.e Bombing Serbia etc. As much as I enjoy reading what
>>the Cro-netters have to say, I want a more intellectual discussion
>>on the Bosnian crisis, so let's show the world we can be intellectual
>>and bash the Serbs at the same time.
>>
>>         --Uvijek Za Dom--
>>
>>         --Always for the homeland--
>>
>>
>>-Chicago Cro
>
>
>In response to this I will propose that Serbia be humbly punished for it's
>crime against defenseless people.  Why don't we place a trade embargo.
>
>-if that's intellectual( that's all we get from Washington) then I would like
> no part of it, please.  In some cases you have to go a little
>non-intellectual
> to get justice.  Why don't we all pitch in and buy an old Russian Nuclear
> Warhead ( or more than one if the donations are good) and just Nuke the
>damned
> Serbs and all those politicians who have the power to do something good for
> once.  Barbarianism can sometimes be justified, you know.
>
>Send your contributions to the Bosnian Nuclear Assoc.
>                               P.O. Box  XXXX
>                               Washington D.C. XXXXX
>
>P.S.  All your donations are tax deductible! What a country we live in.
>
>M. A. R.

To Ibrahim...

I enjoyed your solution tremendously. The only drawback of it will be that
the radiation of these nukes will seep back into Bosnia and Croatia.

-Bonzai

-Lucifer
>T. Y. R.
>
>_ Ibrahim Sokolovik
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9142 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:352
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Facist Serbs
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:30:49 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

snggab01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

> In article <9228410.18062@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Ro
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >       From the book:  The Destruction of the European Jews
> >    
> >                            
> >                        written by Raul Hilberg
> > 
> >       In March,1942, the Jewish population of the Semlin camp
> > fluctuated between 5000 and 6000; in April the number dropped
> > to 2974 and in June Dr. Schafer reported that apart from Jews
> > in mixed marriages there was no longer any Jewish problem in
> > Serbia (keine Judenfrage mehr) -report by HauptmanLeeb June
> > 1942, NOKW 926- At the same time he returned to Berlin the
> > gas van, which was to see further service in White Russia.
> >       When in August, 1942, Generaloberst Lohr took over as
> > oberbefehlshaber Sudost, Staatsrat Turner jotted down a few
> > notes for a personal report to his new chief. In that report
> > Turner itemized all the achievements of the previous admini-
> > stration. With considerable satisfaction he wrote down a
> > unique accomplishment: "Serbia only country in which Jewish
> > question and Gipsy question solved (Serbien einziges Land
> > in dem Judenfrage und Ziunerfrage gelost)"-Note by Turner
> > for personal report to Lohr, August 29, 1942, NOKW 1486-   
> > 
> >
> One problem,you did'nt mention that it was'nt the Serbians who performed the
> killings.The murders were perpetuated by Germans and Croats in Serbian
> territory.
> 
>  

Popular Serb saying----"Where ever there are Serbs, that is Serbia".

So...if we use that logic, Chicago must be Serbia because there are Serbs 
living here (regretfuly). OHHHHHHHHHHHHHh, I seeeeeeeee.  Serbia doesn't 
only include Knin and Eastern Slavonija, but Serbia's Western borders 
reach accross the Atlantic at well!!! My God!!!
That must be what the mighty Serbs call, "Greater Serbia" huh?!?!
Now that is funny! 


--
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From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croat Forgery II
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:49:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Are you serious...?

In article <718313493@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
>
>Dear Croat forger:
>
>... YOUR ONLY UNIFYING CONVICTION IS HATRED FOR SERBS
>AND JEWS, and in this situation, I stand with the Serbs.  I
>do not agree with Serb aggression in Bosnia, but I can see
>a world of difference between the courteous postings of netters
>like Vidic, Shane, Pavlovic, Draskovic, and others and the
>filth of Chicago Cro, Matanic, and other Croats.
>
>-- Eduard Wiener

Umm...  What about Muslims, Ed?  Have they not been courteous
enough for you?  They've been getting it from both the Croats and
the Serbs in Bosnia, as have the Jews there, but you don't side
with them?

Why not?

-AQ

Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9141 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:347
From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Solution in Bosnia
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:38:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw6pKK.Ap3
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Solution in Bosnia:  that's precisely the problem.  Too many people are
trying to solve all Bosnia's problems.  (And there's only one way to do
that...:-(   Hopefully, there will be no final solution to Bosnia's problems.
The cure seems to be worse than any of the supposed "problems".  

I would be nice if the Bosnia would have problems that are minor, rather than 
the big problem of people shoving their "solutions" down the throats of
everybody else in the balkans.  (And I fault every side in the mutual
massacre...)  It's a pity that people are thinking in such an ad hominem way.
I somehow doubt that things will get any better, especially with all those
arms dealers making megabucks selling to the mugs and the suckers who are
running the former Yugoslavia through the meat grinder. 

Now, of course, there will be those who say, "Yep, he's doing what Andrew
Varvel is accusing."  Please, think.  Finger pointing isn't going to do any
good.  Raw hatred isn't going to any good.  My respect goes to those who
have the courage to propose compromises that may actually get the place out
of its bloody mess.  Not likely, though.  Considering some of the vitriol
I've seen here, I wouldn't even be surprised by death threats on the net.  

So I shrug.  If enough netters want the former Yugoslavia to be a wasteland,
everybody in the vicinity will have to suffer.  The way things are going,
the war won't be over 600 years from now.  

So I ask that God bless the warmongers and keep them -- far away from me!

Andrew Varvel

...watching vampires get thirsty
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Malenovic Nikola V.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: cleansing
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:43:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21041
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct5.172207.1862@rd.hydro.on.ca> rdowlati@rd.hydro.on.ca (Ramin Dowlati) writes:
>What you meant to say was that the Moslem-Croat forces just took back what
>was rightfully theirs in the first place. The so-called Serbian refugees
>'pouring' into Serbia, are simply going back to their original homes, before
>they decided to take over land which did not belong to them.
>
>-Cheers
>-Ramin


poor ignorant bastard. what you just said, proves my point that many people
who take sides in this Balkan conflict are simply nothing but a bunch of
ignorant bastards driven with some spcial group interests...

Nik
--
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: cleansing
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:51:28 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


In article <1aj3opINN1jb@aludra.usc.edu> draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic) writes:
>>Moslem-Croat troops have ethnically "cleansed" over 70 Serbian villages, as
>>reported in The London Times(7/26).This includes the cities of Travnik, Novi
>>Vitez, Zenica, Kupres and Vares.

Ramin Dowlati:

>What you meant to say was that the Moslem-Croat forces just took back what
>was rightfully theirs in the first place. The so-called Serbian refugees
>'pouring' into Serbia, are simply going back to their original homes, before
>they decided to take over land which did not belong to them.


      No, this is an innacurate statement, Ramin.  Their homes
      are in Bosnia.  Remember that Serbs constitute(d) 30-35%
      of the population of Bosnia-and-Herzegovina.  Would you
      say that the Croats evicted from the homes by Serbs in
      Bosnia were forced from what was not rightfully theirs?
      Do you mean that Croatia is their original home?


>-Cheers
>-Ramin


-- Eduard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: For the Last Time
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:58:40 EDT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <H4wFsB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:

[ loads and loads deleted ]

>Fact:
>The synonym for Serb is "TRASH".

>Fact:
>  The Serbs are responsible for their own deaths in WW II, i.e. they 
>asked for it.

>Fact:
>  The Serbs must pay dearly for thier crimes against Croatia and 
>Herceg-Bosna.

>Fact:
>  Serbians=Trash=crap="stoka"
>This definition applys for the vast majority of Serbians.  The few Serbs 
>that don't fit this discription are a unheard minority.

>Fact:
>  Eddie is a mentaly disturbed, serb\cetnik\fascist supporting, piece of 
>hog manure.  Anyone who can openly sympathize with Serbian cetniks fits 
>this description.

>damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
>Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.

	I wonder if all of them are like that. Mutlu comparing
	with Damir is bland. 

>That basicaly sums up my fealings.  I won't be responding to any messages 
>on this newsgroup anymore. 

	That's nice, boy. Only if you could keep your
	promises! Sure you cannot, judging by your
	posting habits.

	Misha.
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: For the Last Time
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:58:04 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

To my fellow Croats:

  Guys, we should stop posting to this net.  When we do post 
messages\replys, then we're supporting the very existance of 
soc.culture.yugoslavia.  It's about time that we Croats create 
soc.culture.Croatia.  Also, we can always express our views of 
soc.culture.Bosna-Hercegovina. Yugoslavia is dead, as should be this 
newsgroups.
Down with the Yugo-Cetnik newsgroup!!!!!!!!!

To all "Serbo-slavs" and their supporters:

  You so-called "people" simply discust me. 
While we Croats have independent Croatia, and the Muslims have Bosna, 
what on Earth do you Serbs have?????!?  
Vi imate vasu Jugoslaviju.
You "people" are not Serbians.  You're all Yugoslavs.  Serbia has to hide 
behind "Yugoslavia" in order to exist.

&|
Pro Serbians, huh?!?
Bull !
If you all were proud Serbs, then you would not be hiding behind your 
Yugoslav "Kurve", i.e. Serbian\Yugo communists!!
Simply pathetic!
The synonym for Serb is "TRASH".

Fact:
  Serbia is responsible for this war because of your eternal fascistic 
fantasy of "Greater Serbia"

Fact:
  This has been evident since the creation of the 1st Yugo.

Fact:
  Our Croatian communists are responsible for not preparing Croatia for 
this war.

Fact:
  The Serbs are responsible for their own deaths in WW II, i.e. they 
asked for it.

Fact:
  The so-called genocide that the Serbs experienced during WW II is 
propaganda\lies.  This propaganda was designed by the Yugo communists in 
order to discredit the true Croatian nationalist.

Fact:
  The Serbians are Europe's only remaining fascists.

Fact:
  The Serbs must pay dearly for thier crimes against Croatia and 
Herceg-Bosna.

Fact:
  Serbians=Trash=crap="stoka"
This definition applys for the vast majority of Serbians.  The few Serbs 
that don't fit this discription are a unheard minority.

Fact:
  Eddie is a mentaly disturbed, serb\cetnik\fascist supporting, piece of 
hog manure.  Anyone who can openly sympathize with Serbian cetniks fits 
this description.

**Serbian cetniks should be punished by execution

That basicaly sums up my fealings.  I won't be responding to any messages 
on this newsgroup anymore. So, once-and-for-all, ROT IN HELL SERBIAN 
DUBAR!  I do hope that your historical borders are restored, i.e. those 
in 1878 (no Kosovo, no Vojvodina, no Sandzak, etc...).

Hrvatska Hrvatima
                          Za Dom Spremni !

U           U
U           U
U           U
U           U
U           U
U           U
U           U
 UUUUUUUUUUU



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