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From: MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!")
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: New Albedo 4
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:15:22 GMT
Organization: And one for Jenny and the Wimp.

As I've noted before, New Albedo 4 arrived in stores here (plural -
  store*s*) back on the 3rd.  Based on what people are saying on GEnie,
  San Antonio seems to be the ONLY place to get issues in, so far.

R'ykandar - I disagree that Brenner's printing job is what is causing
  Albedo's low sales.  Granted, their performance on earlier issues of
  Albedo has been less than spectacular, but the most recent issue came
  out a-OK.  (I could care less about the blue line across the bottom)

In my opinion, Albedo's low sales stems from two causes -
  1.  The shrinking of furry fandom as a whole  (this is just atheory of
    mine - as scantily outlined in a previous post).
  2.  New Albedo simply isn't as good as it once was.  Sure - it's a great
    comic, and I'm more than willing to shell out the two and a half bucks
    for it.  But, compared to earlier issues, the artwork has degraded,
    and the story just jumps around too much.  (BTW - I *like* the zipatone
    artwork MORE than the half-tones).

Note - Brenner doesn't print just New Albedo, but a respectable number of
  independents, including most (if not all) of Antarctic's other pubs, and
  Stinz v.2.  So they *do* have an established track record.

Also - glad to hear about Refractions  (I'm looking to see how that flexi-
  disk thingie works out).
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From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:33:43 GMT
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <1992Apr7.154717.3625@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
}All I know is that, whichever way I turn in furrydom, I can't seem to escape
}blatant sexual themes all over the place ... I mean, I don't even feel
}comfortable showing my folks any of the 'zines my art shows up in, because it
}might be just across the page from something that would make my mom freak out. 

Is that really the basic issue here?  I doubt I'd show my mother any of the
art I have collected; I'm not at all ashamed of it, but I know she'd not
like it at all.  We are different people, and that's the way it is.  Are you
going to live your whole life with that attitude?

}=)  Anyway, such things don't particularly thrill *me*, either.  Hey, I'm not
}about to try to justify a call to shut down the "furvert" fanzines or to ban
}this or that -- That just isn't the way to do it.  However, I do think that I
}should have a right to say that "Hey, I don't like this," or even go so far as
}to say that "I don't want to be *around* this" without being shouted down.  Of
}course, I can always pack my bags and go home ... However, if that's the only
}option that such persons have, then a large portion of potential furry fans are
}going to be alienated from furrydom.

You are welcome to express your opinions, as are we all, but if they are at
variance with the majority of the community, they will not count for much.
If you are so narrow-minded that you cannot even tolerate the presence of
things which are outside of your range of tastes, then I really have no
answer for you.  What do you really want?  I run the art show at ConFurence,
and I like to think I do my best to serve the community interest.  You are
a part of the community too; what can I do that would make you feel more
comfortable, short of banning anything even remotely sexy from the show?
After all, there are a large number of folks who do like it, so how are we
to best reconcile these opposing interests?  The approach I have taken so
far has been to keep the show open to everything, but provide the artists
with a secluded spot to display the more graphically sexual images.  This
seems to have been acceptable to most people, so far as I've heard, at least.

As to the more general point, it seems to me that the general run of furry
publications these days are pretty tame, all things considered.  But then,
perhaps my tastes are a bit jaded after all these years, and I just don't
see the seething mass of furry erotica that the rest of you do... :-)

JAS
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Subject: skiltaires
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:19:00 GMT

Jason McIntosh states that Sley, FurryMUCK's Skiltaire, never does anything
with her power except have cute hug messages.  No reason to pick on her.

Ack ptooi.  Sley is well known for using her "electric shock" on passersby
anytime she feels bored.  This is because Sley belongs to the same player
who runs Blaze, the worst powergamer on the MUCK.  NOTHING can harm a character
played by this player.

Back when Sley was nasty-swept by Kostchyevkov, Blaze went around telling
lies about not being Sley and how "poor Sley" was very upset by being raped
and killed by Kostchyevkov.  Truth was, Sley wouldn't get the hell out of a
place he/she was not wanted and deserved whatever she got.  If Sley is the
best representative of the Skiltaire species around, the Skiltaires are in
trouble.  They're vermin anyway.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Furry Famdom--present and future
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:30:17 GMT

	Well, at least around 1988 Minneapolis had a small population of 
furries (I can think of Reed Waller/Kate Worley and Timothy Fay offhand).  But 
this "central" area encompasses all the furry groups between the Applachian and 
Rocky Mountains.
	Actually, I noticed that the areas have at least one major conn they 
"piggyback" furry activities onto.  These would be things like Philcon, Dallas 
Fantasy Fair, Baycon, and such.  For a long time fur fans would meet at one big 
con--San Deigo, in much the same way Small Press people meet at the Chicago 
Comicon.
	Again, in 8 years each region may have their own dedicated fur fan 
convention.  Although I doubt it will happen--I would like to see one "mail" 
furry convention chage location annually, like Worldcon.

	Speaking of Iowa, would you by chance know about the guy in Soldier who 
does a comic called "Fanboy"?  I've been meaning to order another couple issues 
of it but lost his address.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David 'Mishael' Green)
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:43:57 GMT

In article <-nqj16b.fuzzy@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
->dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David 'Mishael' Green) writes:
->
->>but it does seem
->>that there's more than just a small call for the non-erotica out there.
->>Perhaps it's time that this call be listened to with more than just
->>half-an-ear.
->
->I have talked to a few artists on this subject, and I recall one in
->particular who did not like drawing furry erotica, but he did it anyway
->because it PAID THE BILLS.  People were happy to buy it and fill his
->pockets if he continued to draw this material, but if he drew non-erotic
->material, it would not sell well at all.  And, having seen his drawings,
->I would say that it is NOT because he happened to draw erotica better.
->Quite the contrary, IMO.
->
->In short, erotica sells well and makes money.  If people want to see
->more non-erotica, they must buy it, because artists have to eat!

Vicious circle, here, it looks like.  Artists don't do a lot of non-erotica,
because at some point it's the erotica that sells.  So they do less non-erotica
(since erotica is doing more volume) and less non-erotica gets sold.  So they
do less non-erotica and...

Note that I'm not advocating that artists stop drawing erotica.  As long as
there's a market out there for it, it's going to be done.  But it would be nice
to have a healthy dose of non-erotica mixed in with it for people who don't
care for erotica can purchase art that suits their taste, as well...

->-- 
->Fuzzy Fox                                fuzzy@netcom.com
->Also known as David DeSimone             an207@cleveland.freenet.edu
->
->                               "Foxes are people too!  And vice versa."

-- 
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		    Have you scritched your local Furry today?
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Furries and sexuality (again)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:32:14 GMT

	I have been following this thread for a while but decide to reply to 
this particular message becuase it hits close to home.  
	This is going to sound like a dumb question, but what *is* furry 
erotica?  Lets get a standard definition here.  Is it a figure that just 
happens to be nude?  Is it a figure intneded to be sensous?  For example, I 
hardly consider things like pinups and the pictorials in Playboy erotica.  
IMHO, "erotica" is just a nice way of saying "pornography"  which is not 
necessarily a bad thing.
	Anyway, I suppose someone is right that erotica sells.  Its easy to 
get the idea across in one panel, and it is kind of contradictory to the 
"traditional" roles of furrys in children's works.
	I know a furry artist who does not reallly mind drawing this stuff, 
but lately he has gotten commissions for work that he is not all that 
comfortable doing--bondage.  He will do them becuase its money, which I am 
told is quite a powerful motivator.  Personally, I would like to see this 
person draw up other things, most of it NOT sexual in nature--but since I am 
broke there is little motivation for him to do so.
From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:32:10 GMT
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <1992Apr8.142650.3666@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
}Hm.  Erotica on the official CF3 T-shirt?  So much for souvenirs, huh?  By the
}way -- I'm not up on all of the furry conventions available.  Are *all* of them
}pretty much like CF3, or are there any, um, "tamer" ones elsewhere?

Depends on what you call erotica.  The picture was not anything that would
get you busted, but it was a nice cheesecake sort of pose, with Sydney
displaying her justifyably famous charms.  I guess that if you have problems
with the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, you might not like the shirt,
but it was of about that caliber.  Nothing explicit, certainly!  

As to other furry conventions?  Don't know if there are any; I certainly have
not heard of any others.  Best you can do is the furry parties at the regular
conventions if CF is going to be too much for you.  Sorry 'bout that...

JAS
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Kay Shapero)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: What is the Prancing Skiltaire?
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 20:14:49 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:102/524 - StormGate Aerie, Los Angeles CA

On <Apr 04 20:17>, Greywolf wrote to All:

 G>Just curious -- What's the Prancing Skiltaire?  What's a 
 G>Skiltaire, anyway? 
 G>I've heard the name popping up in a few places lately, and was 
 G>wanting to see
 G>if anybody could enlighten me.  =)

The Prancing Skiltaire is the name of the fannish household of Mark
Merlino, Rod O'Riley and various other folks (what used to be referred to
as a "slan shack" - the residence of fannish roommates), named for
Skiltaire, which are a sort of sentient mustelid (weasels, stoats, badgers,
otters etc.) with antennae.  The Tiger's Den bbs (sysop, Shayn Raney) 
is located in the Prancing Skiltaire, and many of the inhabitants are
on the ConFurence concom, or otherwise involved in the convention. 



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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 03:08:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:

>Well, it might be kind of questionable when a large part of the discussion goes
>off about homosexuality, etc. without any pretense of being related to
>furrydom.

The discussion you are referring to was originally crossposted from
soc.bi, so of *course* there were missing parts, making it seem like it
came out of nowhere.  If you really wanted all the context, you would
need to go look up soc.bi and find the articles leading up to it.  The
original article *did* take a turn in the furry direction, because it
had just brought up the idea that people sometimes expect furries to be
of a non-hetero-only sexual orientation.

Hopefully I paraphrased that correctly.  If not, please flame me.  :)

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Also known as David DeSimone             an207@cleveland.freenet.edu

                               "Foxes are people too!  And vice versa."
From: MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!")
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Intergalactic Crimefighters Convention!
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:33:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: vm1.920407.173313.CDT.MHIGH
Organization: I laugh at danger! Cork, too!

I can't find the letter of the guy who asked the question, but it went
 something like this:

"Where can I find the Intergalactic Crimefighters Convention that was
 mentioned in question 74 of the Furry Trivia Questions?"

Take a gander at the Weasel Patrol one-shot from Eclipse.


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From: MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!")
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Fundies at CF3?
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:39:16 GMT
Organization: And one for Jenny and the Wimp.

Ditto what Nicholai said.  I was at ConFurence as well, and don't
remember anything about Christian findamentalism (oops, funda-) there.

Dave, could you enlighten us?

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From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Why I'm Not Furry
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:55:35 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting


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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK legality/illegality?
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:26:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <ft5t_6a@rpi.edu>, brynwulf@acm.rpi.edu (Andrew Thomas Maxwell) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.220040.3729@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>>FurryMUCK legal or illegal?  In what sense?  I'd just like to know, if anybody
>>can provide an answer.

{clarification deleted}

> However, they *are* legal, and allowed on the net...The 'illegality' mentioned

{details deleted}

> 
> Hope this clears this up.

Yes!  =)  Thanks -- just wondering.

> -- 
>       /\_/\         Drew Maxwell ("The Furry Wizard")
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By the way -- nice .sig.  =)
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: Furry Famdom--present and future
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:18:49 GMT

	After reading teh wonderful post about Furry Famdom History, I just 
had to reply and give my observations of furry fandom now and in the future.
	I came into furry fandom around mid 1986 and found out about the 
fanzines by late 1987.  I still remember the one general requirement for 
submitting to FURVERSION--"As long as its provocative".
	Anyway, furry fandom as I see it now has many little sub-groups.  
There are the people who like cartoon things (such as the Disney Afternoon), 
the people on FurryMuck, and of course, those who like the "Fuzzy tit" aspect. 
 All these facets have evolves in just the last 5-6 years, and are all part of 
furry famdom as we know it.
	As for decentralized regional groups, I suppose they are.  I am 
reminded of something I saw on a talk show when I was very young, two men 
"mapped" the cultural regions of Amercia.  I think that can be applied here.
	Now, to use their disclaimer, this is NOT a set of political 
boundaries--but merely the way things happen to be now based on observation.
	There are 5 main furry regions, with "core groups" around cities.  
There is the Northwest (Seattle, Portland, North California), Southwest 
(Southern California, Arizona), Central (San Antonio, Minneapolis), southeast 
(Florida, Atlanta), and Northeast (New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC).  I 
don't particularly see any one area as having a distinct advantage 
overall--but as pointed each, every one has its strong suits.
	The Future of furry famdom is close at hand.  You see, while there are 
distinct groups, communication is maintained through networked BBS systems and 
of course, Internet.  As more and more fur fans become net.connected--where 
you live is going to become less and less important.
	I predict that by the end of the century, so many of us will have 
access not only to Internet, but to high-quality scanning equipment and 
desktop publishing.  I forsee the day when somone can publish a fanzine 
entirely by computer.  From having contributors send a central person scanned 
artwork and stpories, to possibly assembling the package and mailing it out 
over the net.  The technology is there, it just needs to be utilized.
	Also, a lot of us have been latent fur fans way before we knew about 
furry fandom.  I have known I liked anthropomorphics since that night in 1973 
when I saw Walt Disney's animated "Robin Hood" at the Super Chief Drive-In in 
FOrt Washington.  Even as we speak, children are watching the current batch of 
animated Movies and TV shows and somehow *know* this is something they would 
like to know more about someday.
	What is happening, is the transformation of furry famdom into 
something never conceived years ago.  It is becoming a high-tech cutting-edge 
genre of comcis and fandom that will set precedents for years to come.  
Personally, I am glad I am here to see it.

Thank you, Mr Chandler, for opening my eyes
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:04:43 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <9832.29EBE869@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Nicolai Shapero) writes:
> After wading through over a month's worth of flames on just this
> topic on FurNet, I'm afraid I'd have to disagree.  The group that

Well, to be honest, I'd be none too sorry to see "furversion" vanish entirely,
but that is not my goal.  (It'd also be nice to see lots of stuff that I don't
particularly like vanish, too, but that's life, huh?)  However, I'll presume
that, despite the wording of...

> does NOT want furry erotica to be present seems (at least based on

...to mean that I'm probably included in this indicated group.

> its representatives on FurNet) to (a) consider itself representative
> of all of furry fandom, and

Not true, and I sincerely doubt that anyone has dared to imply that.  Why? 
Well, for one thing, if non-furverts were representative of all furry fandom,
then what on earth would explain the "furverts"?  From what I gather,
"non-furverts" are probably somewhere in the minority (more or less, depending
upon where one draws the line in defining "furverts" or "furry erotica" or
whatever it is that we're talking about...).  I've certainly *not* been trying
to argue that all 'zines with nude and lewd furries should be closed down --
Now as to what I've been arguing *for* ... that might be a good question.

> (b) considers itself to be the representation
> of the One True Way, to which all must bow down or face excommunication.

Oooooooooo!!!!!!

> 
> Depending on which subgroup you're temporarily associated with, it
> seems as though you'll get a totally different view of the "furry
> erotica" issue.

Well, that seems kind of natural.  If you're of an opposing opinion than
someone else, you've usually got a different view of the issue, no?

My personal gripe has mostly stemmed from my few ventures into fanzines when
I've been told to make my 'morphs bustier or when I've declined to do
illustrations for a story that called for sex scenes, I've been accused of
being immature, limiting myself, being part of the problem with America in that
it glorifies violence but won't touch sex (yeah, right), etc., etc.  Also, I've
been lamenting somewhat the lack of any fanzines that *don't* have nudity/sex
in them.  Surely there *must* be one *somewhere*.  If someone could point me
out to one, I'm quite sure that I'd be happy enough.  You still wouldn't catch
me at ConFurence, but I'm quite sure that they'll do fine without me.  =)

In short, I think you're generalizing just a *wee* too much.

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From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Nicolai Shapero)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Other Suns World Creation
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 18:25:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:102/524 - StormGate Aerie, Los Angeles CA

On <Apr 07 03:54>, Paul Williams wrote:

 PW>  I just wanted output to the screen.  If I write the thing in 
 PW>LISP,  as 
 PW>  is my current intention, I can pipe the output anywhere...

If you write it in C or C++ you should also be able to pipe the
output anywhere just as easily, and either C or C++ would be far
better suited to the sort of number crunching involved than LISP.

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