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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: car chaser
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:19:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr16.201854.123775@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ac0g@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANNEMARIE CONNOR) writes:
>
>     My parents own a 1 year old aussie/german shep. mix. who has gotten into the
>bad habit of chasing cars.  She has an acre of ground to run on, but she seems
>to want more space.  Part of this acre (about 1/4 acre) is enclosed with a
>fence.  Keeping her fenced in would be a good way of preventing her from
>running onto the street, but she gets too ramy in there.
>     The dog has already been hit by a car, and is currently recovering from
>hip replacement surgery.  Unfortunately, the vet does not feel that this
>experience will deter the dog from chasing cars in the future.
>     Any suggestions? How about an invisible fence?   This dog needs a lot of
>room to run, and I would hate to see her penned up in any area smaller
>than 1/2 acre.
>
>                                     Thanks,
>                                     Annemarie

We had a neighbor down the road with a little spitz/mix dog that would
continually chase cars.  I never wanted to hit him because of the
fued that would follow and because I really didn't want to hurt
the little dummy.  So I drove by one day with a half bucket full of
ice water and dumped it on him as he charged the car.  He never chased
my car again, but I don't know if that stopped him from chasing all
cars or not.  

I also know a house down the road a long ways that has a shepherd/lab
mix that has been hit so many time he can hardly walk and I know he can't
be much over three.  Dogs don't usually learn from getting hit.   

I don't think the invisable fence will stop her from getting hit if
she just won't stop.  

A few other things to try would be having friends drive by with
tin cans to dump out of the window to scare her.  Also  you
can put a long lead on her an let her hang herself (on a buckle collar only!)
as she reached the road a few times.  Praise her if she ignors the cars.

Another thing to try is a high pitched whistle.  Mauii has a terrible
habbit of chasing deer ("Mom you want me to get those big brown sheep?")
that she gets caught up in her herding instinct and can't stop.
I've tried yelling and shouting at her, but it doesn't get though.
However a sharp high pitched wistle stopped her like a brick wall.
I have no idea why this worked, but hey, if it works use it.

As long as she gets a few long walks, she should be ok in a fences
yard.  A 1/2 acre fences area is really a pretty large area and
does allow a lot of room for her to safely get excersize.  I think
you'll olso find that as she gets older, she will calm down on
the amount of energy she has right now.

I hope all this helps.

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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey)
Subject: Re: Calling all puppy experts! Trouble in Golden City! (long)
Keywords: please
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:34:04 GMT

I agree with everything people have said --
--it is a little too early to expect more mature behavior at this age
--also too young to bond.  a few more weeks
--he is too young to distinguish good things to chew from bad things.
just keep the bad things away
--don't reward the whining, place the crate somewhere where you can't 
hear it

What I would like to add --

what does aggression have to do with housetraining?

In any case -- 
"barking" no,
"escalating", 
shaking by the scruff

are just not effective methods of disciplining.  The Monks' of New
Skete puppy book should clue you in there.  There is no need to be
anything other than gentle--in voice or handling.  Gentle and firm.
Even the Monks' "alpha roll" should be done gently.

Often with puppies, you can correct and then just ignore them.  They
might persist in their annoying behavior, but when they realize you
are ignoring them, they will finally give up.  
-- 
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
carey@a.cs.uiuc.edu {uu-net,pur-ee,convex,...}!uiucdcs!carey
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mfey@romeo.caltech.edu (Fey, Mark P.)
Subject: Re: dog outhouse ???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: septic tanks, doggie doo 
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:45:00 GMT

In article <4dsSmCe00WBN44U99H@andrew.cmu.edu>, lv0j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lynn M. Daly) writes...
> 
>My husband and I are looking for directions/instructions on how to make
>and keep up an outhouse (in ground deposit) for our chocolate lab
>Bozwell.
> 
> 
>We already have a large plastic garbage bin to put into the ground, but
>thats as far as we know.  Please give any info you may have.
> 
>thanks!

I have been eyeing an ad for a "doggie dooley" in the J & B catalogue, 
which is exactly what you are talking about (I think). It's just a 
bucket in the ground with some enzyme, apparently. What I was wondering
is, is there anything more to this thing than just a bucket without a 
bottom?? If that is the case, is it necessary to buy the $30 bucket, or
just get a cheap one at the store and buy the enzyme from J&B? If anyone
has any suggestions, interested dog owners may want to know! (including me)

Kate on Mark's account
From: esgbs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GARY STANDEN)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: White Lab ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.15APR199211574080
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <167CA875D.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes...
>In article <1992Apr14.173422.6013@morrow.stanford.edu>
>    liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes:
> 
LM>> A yellow
LM>> lab of any shade MUST have the dark black pigment in its nose and
>                   ----
LM>> pads and around its eyes to be correct however.
>>
> 
CB>   And be able to hunt.
Chris Barnes, being able to hunt is not part of Breed Standard. It is a 
personal preference.
Gary 
>      ----------------------------------------------
>Chris Barnes            |  "Success is the realization of your
>x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |       worthwhile dreams" ---  Dexter Yager
>(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  "A goal is a dream being acted upon"
>(409) 845-8454 (work)   |                          ---  Don Wilson
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jmcarli@srv.PacBell.COM (Jerry M. Carlin)
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Organization: Pacific*Bell
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:52:06 GMT


I've missed parts of this discussion so sorry if I repeat.

One way of approaching the question: definition of a soul can be 'immaterial 
essence, animating principle'. Another is 'spiritual principle embodied in
human beings, all rational and spiritual beings'.  These definitions are
from my on-line dictionary. So the answer is it depends on which
definition you use.  Not satisfying to argue about definitions though.

Another approach is 'what happens to animals after death'? Is there something 
that survives and what is it and what happens next? There are two possible 
ways of approaching the answer here. The first is the evolutionary or 
reincarnation view. This is expressed by a Sufi poet who said something like:
'I died as plant and became animal. I died to animal and became man. I died as 
man and became angel' ending with union with God.  Another person describes the
process as developing a full 'subtle body' as a human from having a 'subtle
matrix' before. My understanding from this is that something only becomes
fully formed as a human. Perhaps it would be reasonable to say that we
evolve full souls as humans after serving apprentiships as animals.

Another frame of refernce can be described by the idea that animals (or at
least dogs) go to Heaven.  Considering that my dogs are better than some
people I meet and have a fidelity and love that put some to shame, I
certainly see them as worthy!!!  

Also, I know people who have been visited by their dog who had just died
to be with them for a few minutes before moving on. People who have that
experience really believe that the essence of their dog survives, no
matter what word is used and no matter what explanation is correct.

-- 
Jerry M. Carlin	(510) 823-2441 jmcarli@srv.pacbell.com
Alchemical Engineer and Virtual Realist
From: sharon@kunikpok.UUCP (Sharon Hasting)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Strange eating habits
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:50:18 CDT
Organization: Kunikpok Kennels & Komputers

berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind) writes:

> In article <92106.220248JJB6@psuvm.psu.edu> JJB6@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >Do all dogs eat strange things or is it just mine???  I have a 3 yr old dog
> >who is a husky mix.  I've had him since he was a puppy and over the last 2 y
(description of dog eating all sorts of stuff deleted)

One thing I've found when my dogs eat strange things--soap, tissues,
etc., and especially when they chew up books or magazines that
were left on a table (where they *know* they aren't supposed
to be)--they're BORED. They certainly aren't hungry, they are
just looking for something to do, and it translates to *chewing*.

You might try varying your dog's toys or schedule, or at least
confining him/her to a room where destruction will be kept to 
a minimum (if you crate, that's the best option.) Huskies tend to
be exceptionally destructive at the best of times.

Sharon Hasting
Kunikpok Siberians
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Looking for Philly kennels
Date: 15 Apr 1992 14:41:35 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:


>     Anybody know of any good places to board dogs in the Philly area?  We
>tried a local vet but were not happy.  I'd appreciate e-mail or posting --
>though this may not be of general interest.  How does one go about finding
>a good kennel, anyway?

I suggest going to the local kennel clubs and asking some questions.
One of the local kennel owners is a Shepherd breeder and a past
president of the local kennel club.  She takes wonderful care of my
Rottweiler when I board him at her kennel.  And no, he is not happy
just anywhere.  We boarded him at another kennel a couple of times,
and they liked him fine, it is just that he was sick for 3 days every
time he returned from there.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Lab Breed Standards (was Re: White Lab ?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:15:58 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <15APR199211574080@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>
   esgbs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GARY STANDEN) writes:
 
>CB>   And be able to hunt.
 
>Being able to hunt is not part of Breed Standard. It is a
>personal preference.
 
No, I believe it is part of the standard with the national breed
club and the UKC.  I know for a fact that NAHRA has it as a part
of their standard.  I didn't include the AKC because they
generally use what ever guidelines the national breed club uses.
 
I believe that includes ALL of the major orginizations in the
US that set standards for Labs.
 
I will try to find the defitive answer about the national breed
club and the UKC, and will post those results (whatever they may
be) when I find out.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |  "Success is the realization of your
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |       worthwhile dreams" ---  Dexter Yager
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  "A goal is a dream being acted upon"
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |                          ---  Don Wilson
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: St. Bernards as Guard Dogs ???
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:52:35 GMT

yourID@llnl.gov (Who Am I Really) writes:

>I have disussed with two guard dog professionals, one from Phoenix and one 
>from Seattle, as to which breeds are best suited for and are used for 
>protection duty.  They both gave the same answer.  The number one breed of 
>choice by guard dog professionals was a german shepherd.  Second being a 
>Saint Bernard and third being a Doberman Pinscher.  The gsd had the best 
>overall trainability, agressiveness, and would protect both human and 
>property with its life.  The Doberman would not reliable confront an 
>attacker with a gun.  

I am certainly not an expert on guard/protection dogs, but I know the
US air force uses or used to use exclusively Doberman Pinschers for security
work, guarding airplanes, bombs, and missles, etc.  I don't think they
would use them if they doubted the breed's ability to confront an attacker
with a gun.  Also, I know a guy who was a K-9 trainer.  One of the dobies
he trained attacked a man armed with a gun, ripping off his left pectoral
muscle in the process.

>So if professionals use Saint Bernards I guess this would tend to say that 
>YES they can be good protective dogs also.

I've never heard of St. Bernards being used in protection training.  This is
not to say that they wouldn't protect you if you were attacked.

------------
Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: esa@tglobe2.tollpost-globe (Esa K Viitala)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Spaying and Neutering
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:26:33 GMT
Reply-To: esa@tglobe2.UUCP (Esa K Viitala)
Organization: TOLLPOST-GLOBE AS, Systems Department, N-6300 Aandalsnes, Norway

In article <17328.29d62dc0@ecs.umass.edu> laramie@ecs.umass.edu writes:
  >say that you shouldn't neuter because it interferes with the 
  >dog's natural processes, causes them to 
  >lack drive, etc., then I say 1)BS and 2) 12 million deaths a
  >year make any other arguments academic.
We don't have millions of deaths in Scandinavia.  We don't have dog
overpopulation.  Therefore we can afford our "academic" arguments.
I only hope that you too could afford getting academic about this.
Saying BS doesn't sound very academic to me.

Why do you have all these deaths?  Why do you have such
overpopulation of dogs?  It seems to me that if neutering would
have so much to do with it, we in Scandinavia ought to have real
big problem with pet population, because we don't neuter our dogs.

Will you ever get all the dogs neutered?  Won't there always be
irresponsible dog owners around?  Arn't these the very ones who
ought to neuter?  The responsible owners have their pets under
their control, they wouldn't need to neuter, would they?

---ekv
-- 
Esa Viitala,TOLLPOST-GLOBE A/S,Systems Department,PO Box 100,N6301 Aandalsnes, 
Norway.Tel:(+47 72)26678,Fax:(+47 72)26694,Email: ...!mcsun!nuug!tglobe2!esa
Have you ever noticed that the people who are always trying to tell you,
"There's a time for work and a time for play," never find the time for play?
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: A tragic accident (biased statistics)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:23:52 GMT

In <92101.094858U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:


>Just FYI...  the more popular breeds do indeed bite more
>often than any other... cockers, golden retrievers, etc.

Perhaps...because they're more popular?  More of them?  More
incidences?  I'd be more impressed with a per-1000 number or something
to compare them better...

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore -- anxiously awaiting lab puppy in mid-June.

Currently working on rec.pets.dogs FAQ.  Now in seven parts, preliminary
versions of five parts have been posted.  Anticipated "official" posting
(crossposted to news.answers and archival at FTP site) in early May.
From: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: OUTDOOR DOGS
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:04:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.009592FD.F6BF4880
Reply-To: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Lynn I just want to say I have been blasted also about my 
opinions on dogs. I wholeheartedly agreed with everything 
you posted, you are not alone with loving and getting love 
from outside dogs. three cheers for your post.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Re: Dog kills another-is Sheba safe?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:27:20 GMT

In article <28741@brahms.udel.edu> thuyan@brahms.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
>Yesterday, Tia got out of the house (I don't know how).  My friend
>searched for her for hours.  Later that evening, she received a call
>saying Tia was in an industrial park about 5 miles away.  Tia was lying
>by the body of a male golden retriever.  She had obviously just killed
>the dog.  She was covered with his blood.
>Tia was in heat so my friend thinks she was defending herself.

Are you both SURE that Tia was the one that killed the golden?  It could
have been another male and they were fighting over who would mate with Tia.
I would have her checked to make sure she is not pregnant because if another
male was involved, he would have killed the golden and then mated with her.

As to if she is safe with other dogs after this incident if she DID kill the
other dog, I have no idea....

Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov


>Thanks, Thuy-An
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Puppy misbehavior
Date: 8 Apr 1992 19:46:26 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu
Summary: Not all is as it seems
Keywords: puppies, behavior

An interesting article by Jill Kessler appeared in the latest issue of
"The Rottweiler Quarterly."  Considering all the interest here in
puppy behavior, I thought it might be interesting for people here.
The article begins:

I was just stepping out the door when the phone rang.  A woman's
voice, filled with anxiety, pleaded with me for advice on an
"aggressive, dominant puppy."  
	"How old is he?"  

	"Eight weeks."

	"How long have you had him?"

	"Two weeks."  

	"The breeder let him go at 6 weeks of age!?!?!"

	"Yes"

	"So, what is happening?"

	"He is biting all of us very hard, growling and attacking."

	"And what do you do when this happens?"

	"Well, we were told different things by various people. They
advised scruffing him, rolling him over or picking him up the the
scruff and shaking him.  We've tried everything and. . ."

	"It makes him worse, doesn't it?"

	The woman sighed heavily, sounding relieved because I
understood.  "Yes.  Is he going to be an aggressive dog?  Well he get
better?  What should I do?"

The article goes on to explain that this Rottweiler puppy had been
pulled away from his littermates too early and was SCARED, and not
aggressive.  They came up with the following rules regarding dealing
with the puppy and had them posted on the wall so everyone could see 
the rules.  

1) Spray Bitter Apple all over your hands and feet before playing with
the puppy.

2)  Never enter pen with the puppy is whining or howling.  

3)  Never play tug of war with this dog!

4)  Kids must have an adult present.  

5)  Quiet, calm play at all times.  

6)  Pet puppy's back or chest or belly only -- NOT the top of his
head.  

7)  ABSOLUTELY no physical confrontations.  (alpha roll)

8)  Reward with "Good Boy" any positive behavior.  (sitting, lying,
chewing on rawhide, playing with toys.)

9)  If puppy becomes aggressive or "hyper" you must leave and wait
till he is quiet.  
  

The result of these rules?  The next to last paragraph says:  

He is almost 4 months old now, and we'll be gently introducing him to
obedience soon.  He's a soft touch and a good boy.

There is a LOT more detail in the article, but it is illegal to post
the whole thing, since the magazine is copyrighted.  BTW:  Jill is a
frequent contributor to TRQ, and her articles on temperament and
training are very good, IMO.  I'd recommend TRQ to ANY Rottweiler
owner, whether you are show oriented, working Rottweiler trainer or
just have a Rottweiler to warm your feet on a cold night.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee)
Subject: Re: Suggestion on a child's pet
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 13:19:35 GMT

Thank you to everyone for all your support.

I just wanted to let everyone know that my friend has decided not to get
a dog at this time.  I did tell her about all the post that I have received
and she became really concerned that she might not be ready for this.  I guess
I mis-read her all along.  You guys were right, she should not be getting
a dog at this time.  Oh, well, sometimes I get over-enthusiastic about my
pets and want everyone to have one so they can get the joy that I get from
my own.  I do realize that not everyone should own a pet of any kind.

Thanks again for all of the posts. 

Lynn
From: mm@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Michael Mahler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: man charged with taunting police dog
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:04:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro, MA.

In article GU7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article kudzu@tfs.com (Michael Sierchio) says:

>>These dogs love to work -- they're high energy all the time, so if you
>>see one, leave it alone. Walk on by.  Your presence alone is enough to
>>be disconcerting.

>I disagree with this.  This sounds like the ex-police dogs in Philadelphia.
>They attacked savagely, and often to bystanders.  Apparently the police
>dogs were mistreated or mistrained.  ...


	You can disagree, but that doesn't make it untrue.  Notice
	Michael did not say the dogs "attack" if you just walk by,
	but that it makes the dog uneasy, especially if you make eye
	contact and stare at it or the handler.  

	Michael
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: help doggie bad breath
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:07:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.180032.2707@cbfsb.cb.att.com> joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap) writes:
>Help I can't stand haveing my dog Asta by me any more. Her mouth is foul.
>I took her to the vet had her teeth cleaned and a few removed last year.
>Changed her to dry food and very little table scraps. With in 3 months
>her breath started to stink again and is now smelling like somthing
>died in there. Asta does not like to chew on raw hide or milk bones.
>I don't have the time to be brushing her teeth every day. Whats a mother
>to do? I can't stand being near here anymore. I can't afford to be getting
>dental work for a dog every three months. HELP

You really don't have to brush their teeth every day....three times
or even once a week is better than not doing it at all....and
increases or eliminates (depending on the dog) getting their teeth
scaled and cleaned.  I have a friend who started brushing her dog's
teeth when it was just a puppy.  Punkin' loves getting her teeth
brushed so much she won't sleep until my friend brushes her teeth.
The biggest thrill of all is getting to drink the water thats running
from the faucet when the brushing is over!

schalene