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From: djablon@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J. Jablonski)
Subject: Re: Continental DC-10's and MD-80's and cheap fares... good or terrible?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:10:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.153320.774@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:

>>I've heard about their slack safety and so on, but what are
>>people's opinions of them both as an airline and if you've
>>travelled with them (eg: service and so on). 

>I have flown continental and continental only about 4-5 times a year for the 
>past couple of years.  I have NEVER had any problems with delays or any 
>Mechanical features at all.  Of course I regularly fly through Newark, so
>I get held up by crappy weather at times.

wow...  Although they have improved over the past few years, I still wouldn't
classify they as a good on-time airline.  This is from my experience at their
Houston hub.  As for service, if you get a meal flight, you're in good shape.
But I've found that flights that I've expedcted meals on sometimes have snacks.
(6:45 pm flight Boston to HOuston, 1:20 pm flight from Houston to Cleveland).


>I always take an MD-80 to Newark From boston, and then usually a 757 or 737
>to chicago from there.  The interior color scheme as well as some of the

757 on Continental?  When did Continental get 757's?
I was on a 727 of theirs and it was a VERY nice, all leather interior.
It was one of the old People Express planes with the ugly beige exterior.

>I think service is good, and many times they have accomodated special
>requests for me.  I never walked away mad from a counter because they
>couldnt help me out somehow. 

They do treat passengers well in the event of an irregularity.  I have been
bumped several times (voluntarily) and they were more than willing to put
me in first class, give me a couple of long distance calls, etc, if it would
help get me there faster and easier...  I find their "bump service" better
than Northwest, and comparable to Delta.

As for safety, I might avoid the commuter line in Houston... There have been
two incidents in the past year or two of CO express planes leaving Houston
with screws missing from important places.  One of them crashed enroute
to Laredo, TX, and the other made a safe return to IAH.  Other than that,
I don't worry about my safety while on Continental.
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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: MarkAir, RenoAir, flying from San Diego to Tahoe..
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:45:36 GMT

erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:
>Do any airlines offer flights from San Diego to Reno/Tahoe?  Specfically,
>can I get there using RenoAir or MarkAir?  Are these two airlines usually
>pretty cheap?  Any info appreciated.
>

   Yes, Reno Air does fly from many southern california cities to Reno.  They
currently have flights from San Diego (2/day), Los Angeles (4/day), and 
Ontario (2/day). 

   I believe their fare is around $ 110 roundtrip with the necessary advance
purchase.

   MarkAir does fly San Diego-San Fran-Seattle, but they don't serve Reno 
from Seattle.

Greg


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From: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Another fare war?
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:24:30 GMT
Reply-To: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.travel.air, prabhag@nicolle.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Prabha Ganapathy) writes:
>Is there another fare war going on? A friend of mine said that he had heard on
>the
>news that America West had cut it's fare by 30% and American Airlines and US Ai
>r
>were going to match this offer. Please let me know if you have heard the same.
>
>Thanks
>Prabha
>--
Yes. I heard the same today(1/21/93) on the radio. Amarican and USAIR
    were only going to do this offer in markets served by American West.

  Is this another case of the big boys jumping on the little guy ??


John Webb
David Taylor Model Basin Hq.      -  Ski Till You Drop  -
Carderock Div,NSWC                _ The Md state ski bum-
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301 227-1870
From: bstarr@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr)
Subject: Cheap Bucket Shop to and from Europe...
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:52:58 GMT

First, a disclaimer.  I don't work for these guys, and I haven't actually used
these tickets yet, so I just assume everything's OK (if not, look forward to a
follow-up!)

I bought RT tickets to Europe on KLM from LAX from these guys for $489.  What's
more, they actually gave me a special routing-LAX to Prague via AMST, then
returning from Munich to LAX also via AMST.  They really went out of their way
to take care of me, and these tickets seem to be of the type with a high face
value, so I might even be able to modify them later without severe hassles and
penalties.  Considering than these tickets usually run about $700++ discounted,
I'm pretty darn happy.

Also, they tell me they can arrange for travel origionating in Europe much
cheaper than what you can buy over there.  Example, RT from Prague traveling in
July via Air France: $650.

Companies Name: American Travel Ventures, Sam Gower, 310-274-7061

Again, I'm just reporting the information I have at this time, so don't hold
me responsible if things don't turn out perfectly for you.  Caveat Emptor...

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: British Air Question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:21:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.144756.9998@lth.se> kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:
>Does British Air have a frequent flyer program, and/or are it's miles
>applicable to any other airline's ff program?

They are also still on USAir's FF program (of course).

RNA


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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: I saw it!!!  (New Ua 747-400)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:28:47 GMT

In article <airliners.1993.114@ohare.Chicago.COM> kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:
>One thing that *did* strike me is how complex the painting must be of
>the tail with those stripes.  Sounds expensive -- railroads used to
>use stripes liberally for safety reasons until they started thinking
>about the cost of masking it all and simplified the schemes.  Today
>what few stripes are left are on easy-to-mask surfaces.

[more comments on the complexity of paint, and paint on airliners in
general]

I read recently that one of the latest United planes off the production
lines had had its insignia done entirely in 3M decals.  The advantage
is ease of application---no masking, etc necessary, plus it's allegedly
more environmentally sound, in that there are fewer problems with disposal.
Anyone else hear about this?

>One other factor in favor of paint may be found in a comment I read
>long ago on rec.aviation, namely that aircraft which were going to go
>unpainted mere manufactured with slightly thicker aluminum in the
>skins.  I find this a bit hard to believe, and the fact that airlines
>such as Eastern went from paint to no paint suggests it isn't all that
>necessary, though I don't have any hard evidence.

No Airbus aircraft have ever been done in bare-metal.  Even American
had to paint their A300-600Rs in grey to simulate it.

RNA



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From: ah505@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Quinby)
Subject: Re: Who is AirHitch - Europe $250 RT?!?
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:57:10 GMT


AirHitch is very controversial. Some people love it, others feel
that it was the pits. UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING before you spend
any money. It can be a bargin. I have never tried them but
if I can find their literature, I will post a phone number.

		Brian

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From: graiche@hamilton.edu (George Raiche)
Subject: Is this a "segment"?
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:07:42 GMT

Well, here's my problem.  I'm a Premier member of United's FF program.
During the fall they ran a special in which flying 8 segments would earn
a free domestic round trip.  And during the qualifying period, I flew two
round trips from Syracuse NY to SFO through O'Hare.  Each round trip
counts as four segments.

Here's the problem.  For one of the O'Hare-Syracuse segments, the
airplane had mechanical problems and we never boarded.  Instead, after a
number of assurances that the flight would not be cancelled, they
cancelled the flight and booked many of us onto an American flight bound
for Syracuse.  I took the American flight.  I had a boarding pass for
the UA flight;  I was at the gate on time; and my luggage had been
accepted on the UA aircraft.  (It was eventually transferred to the
American flight).  I claim that I should receive credit for that last
segment, but it hasn't been credited to my FF account.  I haven't called
UA to complain yet.  Anyone have some encouraging/helpful words?

Thanks.
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From: black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black)
Subject: Re: British Air Question
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:44:25 GMT

>>
>>Does British Air have a frequent flyer program, and/or are it's miles
>>applicable to any other airline's ff program?
>>

>
>Yes, they do. My friend in London told me that BA's program uses a different
>system: the number of air miles you have accumulated can be used for
>trips of the same *actual* number of miles. (Most of the ff programs in the US
>are different.) However, there is a minimum amount that you have to claim.
>

It depends on which of British Air's programs (or programmes) you belong to.
The Executive Traveller's Programme is the one you describe, and is open to
residents of Europe.  The Executive Traveller's Programme USA is open to
residents of the US, and behaves exactly like any other American frequent flyer
program.  You can also redeem your miles on American Airlines for US domestic
travel (20,000 miles == 1 free ticket).  Outside of the US or Europe, I'm not
sure how their programs work.

		- sam black

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From: bleck@mobot.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Jet Lag + sleeping on an aeroplane
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:25:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mobot.ai.mit.edu

In article <robinson.100@odie.ee.wits.ac.za>, robinson@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Michael Robinson) writes:
|> I will be flying from South Africa (GMT +2) to Singapore in a few weeks.  
|> What kind of jet lag can I expect to experience?  How long will I take to 
|> recover? And what preparations can I make beforehand to reduce the effects?
|> 
|> Second, what can you recommend for helping sleep on the flight?  Sleeping 
|> pills?  Pillow?


It's not often realized, but a big part of jet lag is the jet *noise* in an
airplane!  Sure it's reduced a lot with sound insulation from outside levels,
but in fact, it's still quite loud! On top of that, you may have those
headphones cranked up far higher than you think, to compensate!  Even though
your conscious mind shuts out the noise level pretty quickly, your ears are
still sending the same signals to your brain, causing stress.  I usually
can't hear fully for a while after a long flight, and that's not because of
pressurization.

Anyhow, a good solution is to bring earplugs!  Those simple disposable foam
rubber plugs that you roll up in stick in do just fine.  Far better are those
noise cancelling headphones that they make for pilots....

On my most relaxed transalantic flight ever, I had some of the foam plugs,
put them in, had a few dinner drinks, and went straight to sleep.  When I
woke up, we were landing, and I had no problem with jetlag at all.


Hope that helps!
-Olaf
From: bakker@cs.uq.oz.au (Paultje Bakker)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Continental DC-10's and MD-80's and cheap fares... good or terrible?
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: bakker@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Depts. of Computer Science & Psychology, The University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia

In article <1jqtd4INN86e@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> raeram@kittyhawk.aero.rmit.OZ.AU (Richard A. Muirden) writes:
>they have 747 craft and so on). The first bit is with Continental
>Airlines. Departing Melbourne, via Auckland and into San Francisco
>then around the US with several stops (eg: Seattle, Denver, Boston)
>
>I've heard about their slack safety and so on, but what are
>people's opinions of them both as an airline and if you've
>travelled with them (eg: service and so on). 

Och, you hear so many bad stories about Continental... I was
a bit wary when I flew them to London and back, but in fact
I was pleasantly surprised. Compared with the more swanky and
expensive airline (QANTAS, Cathay, JAL, KLM etc) their service
was sometimes a bit brusque, but overall it was quite adequate
and a DAMN sight cheaper. I got a Brisbane-London return for
$1725. Every leg I flew on used DC-10's, except for one transatlantic
flight on a 747 and one domestic flight on an Airbus (I think).

Be warned that you have to pay for headphones and booze on domestic
flights....

Their FF program has apparently been voted the best 3 years running.
In that one trip I earned enough miles to get a Companion ticket
to anywhere in Asia; also, just yesterday I received a free return
ticket for use anywhere in the mainland US, Canada and Mexico.
Just like that!

>-RICHARD
paultje



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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: upgrading for trans-Pacific UA flight?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:51:19 GMT

douglis@chimay.MITL.COM (Fred Douglis) wrote: 
->Anyone have any other suggestions for how to accomplish this? 

occasionally northwest or jal will have a deal with american express
(you a cardholder?  this could have made it worth your while) where
they send out certificates which, when you buy your full-fare Y ticket
with The Card(tm) you get a confirmed upgrade to business class.

i have some of those certificates, but they're for europe.

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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: bdavis@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Ben Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
Subject: Rules on bumping -- Revisited
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:17:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Sorry if this is a duplicate post.

Where can I get a copy of the rules about "bumping" (denied boarding
compensation)?  Previously I asked about domestic (USA) rules, but now it
looks like I'll have to do some international travel as well.  If you can help
please E-mail to Ben.Davis@AtlantaGA.NCR.Com (I forgot to include the
address in my earlier post).  

Thanks
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From: aa158@Freenet.carleton.ca (Les Casey)
Subject: Wanted - Sao Paulo - Rio de Janerio
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:20:40 GMT


I am in need of a cheap ticket for this trip. round trip please.

Send info directly to my email address...thanks
-- 
y
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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: ban smoking
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:55:34 GMT

staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:

>Rafael Romo (romo@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Smoking will be banned on all international flights within three years.
>: I can't quite quote my source, but I read it in a magazine and then
>: saw a news article on T.V.  Now we need to work on domestic flights in
>: countries where they haven't banned smoking on planes.

>The question is...all international flights from where to where?  I was
>reintroduced to others smoking on planes when I flew last March on Dan Air from
>London Gatwick to Paris CDG.  Short flight, but international.  Horrible
>experience.  There was no place to escape to.

Air France bans smoking on flights 2 hours or shorter, international included.
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest Customer Service
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:29:29 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU's message of 26 Jan 93 19:24:50 GMT

On 26 Jan 93 19:24:50 GMT, IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Naushad Hussain) said:
> I was wondering if anyone can send me the address of Northwest Airline's
> customer relations office.

Just call their 800 number (800-225-2525) and they will give it to you
over the phone.  Ditto for any other airline.

-Kraig

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From: akr@philabs.philips.com (Arvind K. Ramadorai)
Subject: Good deals to Hongkong.
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:06:17 GMT

Hi:
I am looking for a good deal to travel to Hongkong from New York.     
The expected travel dates will be for about 10 days in June 1993.

Can anybody suggest travel agents/Airlines etc.

Please reply to: akr@philabs.philips.com

Thanks.


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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Want info RT to Guam from VA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:01:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.155630.22991@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:
>bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson) writes:
>
>>HI! 
>>I am thinking of going to Guam for spring break from Virginia. 
>>I wonder how much money involve here. It is going to be Round Trip.
>>I am trying to keep my budget as tight as possible since I am 
>>a college student. Which air line serves most ?  
>>My spring break starts March 6 to 14. Any suggestion?

Continental serves Guam.  It's not cheap either.  You are talking on the
order of $1000+ from Virginia.

RNA
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From: sjones@superior.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: United Mileage plus
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:08:35 GMT

In <1993Jan21.054635.17801@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>mileageplus "partners" approved for awards in 1993 include air france,
>alitalia, british midland, iberia, klm (wonder how long this will
>last?), lufthansa, mgm grand, sabena, sas, swissair, aloha airlines,
>aloha island air.

As Air Canada and United have reached an agremeement on ''sharing'
frequent flyer plans, can those with United points not use them on Air
Canada, too.  My latest pile of bumpf from Aeroplan (AC's plan)
includes a reward table for travel involving United flights.  It
requires more points than simply flying on Air Canada alone (30,000
for an economy ticket in Canada and the US if the flight includes a
UNited segment vs 25,000 on AC alone, Europe/Caribbean/Hawaii are
60,000 in either case, 75,000 to Middle East/Asia on AC only, 100,000
if a United segment is included.)

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From: bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat)
Subject: American Airlines Cust. Dept Address
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:05:04 GMT

Last week I travelled by American Airlines and had the most pleasant experience.I had changed from Gulf Air to AA at Heathrow and when I boarded the AA
plane I found to my dismay I lost my house keys. I reported that to the AA
flight personnel who immediately contacted Gulf and got back the keys
10 minutes before departure.

The AA Staff was excellent. I would like to  write a letter of appreciation
to AA. Can somebody give me the Customer Service Department Address in
the US?

Thanks.
Dinkar.
From: mk69+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Knapp)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Couriers East Coast?
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:39:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UfLeS3O00iV3I1DYcm
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Please send me a number and a name of any Courier companies that you may
know of that fly to Rome from somewhere on the east coast ofthe United
States.

thanx.

Mark T. Knapp
Carnegie-Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA

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From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Subject: To Gatwick by Virgin- maybe
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:24:49 GMT

My wife and I are considering taking our large and young family (seven children
under the age of thirteen !) to visit their grandmother in England during the
latter part of June or early July. We would consider flying on Virgin Atlantic
from Newark if the cost saving and a lack of hassle could be counted upon.
	I would like to pay less than $4000 for the tickets for all of us, but
I would also like my kids to see their grandma before the disease she has
progresses to the point where it's no fun to see her, so my questions are:

1.	What's "Branson's Boeing" like nowadays?

2. 	Is this a realistic price goal for Virgin in the high summer?

3.	In the humble opinion of the net, can bucket shops do better with
	orthodox airlines.

4.	Since I would probably qualify for a baggage allowance the size of the 
	Exxon Valdez, should I: a) look for a courier service.
				b) open an import/export business [8-)]

Thoughts and input would be welcome
FYI: I'm not going to be attracted to impossibly cheap deals that sound too
good to be true, because IMVE they are not

[BTW *IMVE*= in my vast experience]

David N. Chorley, homesick Englishman, wandering in the cultural wasteland of
Oklahoma 
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From: KNIRI@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (Stoessel, Marcel)
Subject: wanted: 2 tickets zurich - prague   or other destination
Organization: ETH ZUERICH
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:52:13 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


I am looking for the cheapest possible airline ticket from Zuerich to Prague,
or from Zuerich to Budapest, or from Zuerich to Moscow. Please send me and
E-Mail if you know about a specific offer. departure betw. 4th of april to
8th of april.

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