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From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Subject: Juices, mixing fruits/veggies
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:43:54 GMT


Sorry if this has been discussed before but I've a question
on behalf of my sister.

My sister's been drinking a lot of homemade juice.  She heard
that concocting juices from both fruits and vegetables is a
bad idea in that the product will cause some form of
gastritis.  Can anyone explain this in more detail?  

Many thanks for any info.

Thanks.
Barbara
From: wheeler@SUPER.ORG (Ferrell S. Wheeler)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: USDA; VEGETARIANISM
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:17:11 GMT


USDA; VEGETARIANISM; ETHICS
 
 
     * Rabbi Merle Singer, spiritual leader of Temple Beth El in
Boca Raton, Fla., recently told his congregation that eating veal
violates the Torah.  "Buying veal from a kosher market does not
solve the problem," he added.  "The process of raising veal calves
is the same for kosher veal as it is for non-kosher veal."
 
     * "It is unjust to kill a living creature to consume its
flesh," according to Dr. Hagop Yacoubian, chairman of surgery for
the health ministry in the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain. 
"Vegetable matter is fully adequate for human nutritional
requirements."
 
     * Under pressure from farm groups, the Burlington FREE PRESS
on March 29 retracted an "Earth Saver" column tip suggesting that
readers should "eat less meat" to conserve "precious grasslands and
resources that would otherwise be consumed or destroyed by cattle."
Protest to the Free Press at 191 College Ave., Burlington, VT
05402.
 
     * The USDA announced March 19 that it will delay requiring
meat and poultry processors to provide accurate nutritional
labeling until May 1994--saving the meat industry an estimated $210
million.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: soy sauce expiration
From: sj@silma.com (Suzanne)
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:29:42 GMT
Organization: Silma Inc

I posted this about a year ago and never got any
response.  I'll try again, this time with world
distribution instead of just usa.  (Anyone else
besides me intimidated by the message that you're
costing the net millions of dollars every time you
post outside the country?)

Does soy sauce ever go bad?  I'm talking about
the real thing here (i.e., organic), not the
preservative-laden stuff.

How about miso?
From: oldman@coos.dartmouth.edu (Prakash Das)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:10:35 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <glen.712363154@cs.wisc.edu> glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
>kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor) writes:
>
>>- The eggs in the supermarket, would they hatch if incubated ?
>No.  In general, they are not fertilized (no sperm).
>

Is this correct? Then how are they produced? Curious.

-PD
From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vitamin Injections (Re: B12 strikes again!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:39:54 GMT
Reply-To: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA

In article <76434@ut-emx.uucp> star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett) writes:

>Luckily, my deficiency was discovered within about six months (give or
>take a month or two) and I began treatments which consisted of B12 
>injections (into muscles, not veins) three times a week.

Feel free to ignore this if there is not a short answer.  I don't want
to get a sci.med thread started here.

Why was it necessary to use injections?  I can see it for the initial
treatment, but shouldn't oral supplements be sufficient after that?
I've heard other references to vitamin injections and have never
understood the purpose.

-- 
Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:16:28 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

marcos@pdx047 (Marcos O. Camargo) writes:
>
>Sugar is sugar and I disagree that one is healthier than the other.

     Tell that to someone who's lactose intolerant. There are a few different
types of sugar, and there are differences. Fructose, for example, is
supposedly easier on the system than sucrose. Now, if you want to say
that sucrose is sucrose, from beets or from cane, I'll agree - except that
some cane sugars are filtered through animal bones, so that many
vegetarians don't want to use them. Beet sugars, I'm told, aren't filtered
so.

>A lot of vegetarians just want to distinguish themselves from others by
>eating different products that make no difference.

     It's the use of animal products in the preparation of certain prodcuts
that makes the difference for many of us.

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: szathmary@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Vegetarian cookbook
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:50:13 GMT



Could someone suggest a good basic vegetarian cookbook? I am interested in
trying some recipes.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young (x37176)]
Subject: Re: B12 strikes again!
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:33:40 GMT

In article <76435@ut-emx.uucp> star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett) writes:

[...list of vitamin B12 deficiency symptoms deleted...]

>I am really surprised fatigue is not mentioned. 

	Actually, it is, but under the symptoms of pernicious and megalo-
	blastic anemia, which were in a separate section of my reference.

	Good to hear that you're recovering well, by the way.  :-)

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Don't get angry, get accurate information.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:32:35 GMT

In article <70598@apple.Apple.COM> rodneys@Apple.COM (Rodney Somerstein) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>>I agree with Cher about the sugar part. But I prefer sweeteners like
>>>brown rice syrup, maple syrup, date sugar, and concentrated fruit juice. 
>
>>Which are all sugar.
>
>What is so bad about sugar?  I ask this for curiosity sake, not to try to
>promote sugar consumption, so no flames please.

The question at hand wasn't what's so bad about sugar, but the
implication that the others were more healthy, when there's no
effective difference.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Veggie Beer (sort of)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:02:16 GMT
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

As a followup to the thread we had here a while ago on beers 
which could be considered vegetarian, I've found a non-alcoholic
beer which also is vegetarian and *much* better than any of the
American non-alcoholic beers I've tried.

Clausthaler Alkoholfrei is a non-alcoholic (<0.5% alcohol per bottle) 
beer brewed in Frankfurt, Germany in strict accordance to the German 
purity law (Reinheitsgebot) of 1516 (contains only water, barley malt, 
hops and yeast). It tastes like a light German beer, and much better 
than Sharp's and the other American non-alcoholic beers. There are 
other imports, but none of the ones I've seen meet the "four ingredient"
rule that I look for.

For those of us that like the taste of beer, but would rather avoid
the alcohol, I've really grown very fond of this one. Here in San Diego,
CA, Clausthaler is available in Vons supermarkets, and at Liquor Barns,
so it shouldn't be too hard for anyone to find.

And no, I don't own stock in the company or anything...just a satisfied
consumer.

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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Massage classes in SF Bay area?
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:19:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <alerman.0w1w@terapin.com> alerman@terapin.com (Alexander Lerman) writes:
>Sorry that this doesn't have much to do with vegetarianism, but as a vegan I 
>know yuz tend be holistical & such.
>
>Do you know where I can find informal massage classes in the San Francisco Bay
>area?

Lupin Naturist Club ( read nudist resort) has classes in massage and a
regular massage exchange. They are listed in the phone book in Los
Gatos California.


That is the only place I know of, but perhaps they would have some
ideas!

rf
From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Review of Two Vegan Books
Keywords: vegan, books, review
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:58:36 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

Hi comrades,

A short while ago I had posted a request for books
on vegan nutrition. I bought two of the books recommended
to me. I'd like to describe their contents briefly for
the benefit of netters who may be interested.

The two books are:
(1) Vegan nutrition pure and simple, by Michael Klaper
(2) 12 days to dynamic health, by John McDougall

Some general remarks first. 

Both books are cheap, useful, and definitely worth
buying. Having said that ...

Both books, especially the
second, are rather disappointing in that they adopt
the standard pro-veg. tactic. This tactic
is to pretend that there are only two kinds of people
in the world, (a) fat, unhealthy, hamburger-eating Americans
in search of their nth coronary and (b) slim, healthy,
happy, Chinese peasants who eat nothing but rice and
vegetables. Based on this, they conclude that a veg.
diet is the way to health and happiness. I am as strong
a believer in veg(itari)anism as any, but I think we
only undercut our own case by this kind of biased
approach. There are people(s) in the world who eat
*lots* of meat and other animal products, and are
still healthy. It is especially noticeable here in
France, where veg-ism is practically non-existent, yet
the majority of the people are trim, healthy and active.

No doubt for *some* people veg-ism is a healthy choice,
but there are others who do equally well on a high-meat
diet. This has to be acknowledged, in order to be
state the facts correctly.

The better arguments for veg-ism are from the environmental
and animal-rights standpoints.

Now that I have got that off my chest, here we go:

(1) Vegan nutrition pure and simple, by Michael Klaper

This book adopts a humanitarian, as well as a health,
approach to veganism. It is well-written, with numerous
references. Advocates the substitution of animal products
with soy products, nuts, seeds, legumes, etc. along with
whole grains and green and yellow vegetables. There are
numerous recipes, but they are (a) elaborate and (b) call
for many special ingredients. Therefore they are for the
strongly committed only. Recommends moderate use of vegetable
oils (esp. olive and flaxseed) in recipes, 
and sparing use of coconut oil for frying. 

(2) 12 days to dynamic health, by John McDougall

This book is written purely from a health (in particular
weight reduction) standpoint. Is rather extreme in that
it recommends a *low protein* as well as a low fat diet.
Hence emphasizes whole-grain starches and vegetables/fruits.
Does not recommend soy products, nuts, seeds, or oils of
any kind, including veg. oils. It is well
written, but seems just a little hysterical in places. The
author has had some very bad experiences with a high meat
diet, and so assumes that the same is applicable to other
people as well. Again, well documented. Also talks about
vegan alternatives to standard medical treatment for many
common diseases. Gives some vegan recipes.


____________________
Chandy
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: HF.RRL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Rita.Leibovitz)
Subject: RECIPES WANTED for Quinoa and Kashi
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:07:54 GMT


I have gone to a restaurant called Fresh Choice where they have
served two great salads and I would like to know if anyone has
recipes for them.

1) QUINOA
   The quinoa is a crunchy little seed which has to be boiled in
water and then the 'hard' shell cracks and sometimes separates from
the seed.  It is mixed with tofu, olives, etc.  What the etc. is, I
would like to know and how to prepare this dish.

2) KASHI
   This kashi is made with mandarin oranges and ?????

Yes, I did ask for the recipe from Fresh Choice and they said no.

Thanks for sharing.

Rita@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:15:50 GMT

Mike:

Not conspiracy.  Just good ol' fashioned American
capitalism.

What I was thinking of is common ingredients that might
be from animal sources, but not recognized as such.
One example is glycerine.  I understand that most glycerine
comes from animals, though it can also be made from
vegetable sources (at a much higher cost).  Therefore, I
assume if a product contains glycerine, it is from animals
unless specifically marked "vegetable glycerine."

Any comments?
~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the group
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:51:18 +0000


> >Why not create rec.food.veg.recipes?  That would allow most of the
> 
> OK, I'll bite... Why not let's all read our useful little subject
> lines to decide whether or not to read something, and delete it
> otherwise.


Because some of us still read news via horridly indirect routes,
which don't allow proper kill-by-subject. My only option is selection
by newsgroup.

I would very much like to see   rec.food.veg.recipes, as the
alternative is likely to be ignoring the group completely.

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: VEGAN:  TVP Sloppy Joes
Summary: A quick recipe that tastes better than any "package" brand
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:06:55 GMT

Ingredients:
2 small-medium green peppers
2 medium or 4 small onions
canola oil for cooking

1 1/2 cup boiling water
2 1/2 cup tomato sauce
1 1/2 cup tvp
2 Tbsp. mustard (or more)
2 tsp. chili powder
1/2 tsp. salt
1 Tbsp. or so of soy sauce
1/2 tsp. pepper
1 tsp. sugar (I use 2 Tbsp. Sucanat)


In a very large covered frying pan, saute onions and peppers in oil.
When mostly cooked, add remaining ingredients and stir well.  Cook on
medium for 20 minutes, covered, stirring occasionally.  When done,
serve over toast, or toasted english muffins.

Tara


-- 
Tara McDermott            "We suggest people take their Food Pyramids,
                            cut off the top and make a Healthy Eating
tara@socrates.umd.edu         Trapezoid."  -Neal Barnard, M.D.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...  answered !! thanks all !
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.164606.2797@umbc3.umbc.edu> i wrote :

>I have a couple of questions that I would like answers to :
>
>- The cheese that is available in the shops eg. Kraft etc, does it contain
>  animal fat or any animal product that in the normal sense could be termed
>  as non-vegetarian ?
>
>- The eggs in the supermarket, would they hatch if incubated ?
>


a whole lot of people answered my questions and i am grateful to them for
that. the summary of the answers that were given to me is :

cheese has rennet in it (animal derivative) unless the pack says that the
cheese is vegetarian.

supermarket eggs can't incubate.

thanks once again for the prompt responses and postings.

kuntal



Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Veggie food in France
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.140127.19122@lut.ac.uk> B.Howlett@lut.ac.uk (Barbara Howlett) writes:
>Our family is camping in the Dordogne and the Loire at the end
>of August.
>
>Has anyone got any useful tips about veggie food in these areas ?
>
>Thanks in advance.

At Beaulieu-Sur-Dordogne there is (or was) the headquarters
of the Union National des Vegetariens.

When I was last camping in the Dordoogne there were a couple of
vegetarian restaurants  in the valley proper but I can't remember
where!-<

Apparently in Nevers there is a cafe called "La Vie Claire" at
11 Rue des Recollets.


-- 
Michael Traub
Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:7200 alt.co-ops:179
From: totic@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Aleksandar Totic)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,alt.co-ops,uiuc.general
Subject: Re: Co-op house forming in Urbana for fall, veg-friendly
Keywords: housing, vegetarian, roommate wanted, $200 or less, Urbana
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:45:42 GMT
Distribution: il
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In <BrrDJ5.A5F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:

>totic@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Aleksandar Totic) writes:


>>How can they be unrelated when they live in the same house?

>What, just because you live with someone they become related to you??

Sorry, it was late night and I was in mood for bad AI jokes. So here
is the explanation:

exist(relation(a,b)) => related(a,b)
live_in_same_house(a,b) => exists(relation(a,b))
_________________________________________________
live_in_same_house(a,b) => related(a,b)

Also:
  1 Narrated, recited; +referred to.   rare.
  2 a Having relation to, or relationship with, something else.  Also attrib.
without const.
  b Having mutual relation or connexion.
  3 Of persons: Connected by blood or marriage (to another, or with each
other).

Aleks
From: v124pax6@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily A Lyons)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: easy cookbook
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

not too involved, do not take too much time, and does not require
exotic ingredients for all of its recipes.  Does such a book exist?
I have seen several easy or fast recipe cookbooks around, but none of 
them are vegetarian.  
  A vegan book would be any better-  I am trying to become mostly vegan.
  Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: Veggie Beer (sort of)
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:00:57 +0000


> Clausthaler Alkoholfrei is a non-alcoholic [....] beer
> [....] strict accordance to the German purity law

> none of the [other] ones I've seen meet the "four ingredient"
> rule that I look for.


How is the alcohol removed from this beer ?

What are the chemical agents used in this process ?
(no, they don't appear in the ingredients list)

Some of the alcohol removal processes would give a 16th century
braumeister a few surprises !  I don't know how Clausthaler does it,
but looking for German purity laws on a low-alcohol beer strikes me
as a pretty pointless process.


I don't like the UK Clausthaler - of the low-alcohol beers I've
tried, the only one I would drink from choice is Safeway's "low
alcohol Dutch lager". Doesn't sound too impressive, but tastes
very pleasant. Green/blue print on a small white can. AFAIR, it even
meets your "four ingredient" rule.

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: andrew@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Smallbone)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: vegan food: possibly chock full o vegetable oil?
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:35:03 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <ELI.92Jul19130730@regal.cisco.com> eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias) writes:
>vegan food can by definition have lots of vegetable oil in
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why should Vegan food be 'chock full' of vegetable oil by 'definition' ?
Vegan (or any other type) can have lots or no oil depending on the meal/cook.
Although vegan foodstuffs tend to have less fat etc in them (compared with dairy products,
flesh etc.)

>it, correct?  this bursts my concept that vegan food would
>be guaranteed to be good for me :(

It depends on what you eat, but it's easier to eat what you want from a vegan diet without
thinking about the health implications and still be healthy, (well in my opinion any way -
this is someone who can get through two tubs of soya ice cream :-) 
Andrew
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From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:09:44 GMT
Organization: Telerama

oldman@coos.dartmouth.edu (Prakash Das) writes:
: 
: Is this correct? Then how are they produced? Curious.

Sure. Think about human women. We have thousands of eggs inside us and
we "lay" one every 28 days or so. Whether we have sex or not is
another matter entirely!

--Kristen
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Veg burgers--is this as good as it gets?
From: <KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 17:41:07 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I am a 3/4 vegetarian, and I've been trying to find something to satisfy
my occasional cravings for any hearty food besides pasta and rice.  I
bought a meatless burger mix called Nature's Burger made by Fantastic
Foods.  It's ok, but not great.  This is the only brand I can find
around here in the supermarkets.  Can anyone who has tasted this brand
tell me if this is as good as meatless burgers can be?  P.S.I'm not
into cooking with Tofu.   Any help would be appreciated!
                          Kathleen
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.food.restaurants