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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.193839.18798@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>Maybe when I starting high school I will try Latin!  WHAT is
>meaning of IDES of September if you know it??!

	You people are far too rough on Jeff.  I find his posts to be pretty
funny myself.  Just because his English isn't so good is no reason to
flame him at every chance you get.

To answer the question: The 'ides' of a Month (such as September, in MB's
Sig) is the middle-day.  Such as the "Ides (15th) of March", the supposed
day of Caesar's assination "Beware the ides of March..."  Commodore is
set to release some new hardware (that much is a fact, if you believe 
Commodores own ads, what the hardware will be has been open to much
speculation) in approx. the middle of September at the WOC show in CA.
The significance of this seems to be that Commodore could kill itself with
what it announces on those days (Not that I definatly agree with this)
Latin has very little to do with the statement (Shakespeare, who, if I 
remember correctly wrote "Julius Caesar" in English, was the actual author.)
However when you take Latin you learn an aweful lot about the old Roman Empire.
It is such a dead language that it's only use (other than to study as a basis
for modern language) is to describe ancient happenings, such as Caesar's
conquests in Gaul.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.034934.27257@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>Also, I believe the incompatability came from the fact that the 128 had a 6510
>installed and used it for both the C64 and C128 modes.  The  C64 however had
>a straight 6502 processor.

	I never owned a C128, so I can't comment on the incompatability..
But..
    The C64 used a 6510, not a 6502, and using a 6510 if the 64 DID have
a 6502, which it didn't, shouldn't be a problem, as I'm pretty sure the
6510 is a superset chip, basically a 6502 with a couple more IO commands
or some such thing.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:45:42 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
: Apart from saying that I really hope Atari pulls this off (if only to keep
: everyone else honest), I must really object to this kind of personal attack

It wasn't MEANT to be a personal attack.  I was telling him, nicely,
that his English is really, really bad.  I often tell my friends they
look like crap if they look like crap, understand?

:on someone's language skills. This is,in case you don't know, an international
: forum (which means not only America) and many people don't have your 
: obvious shakespearean talents.

(blush) I'm not that good.  ;)  Close, but not that good.  I just know
a...  few big words.  ;D

Greg

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From: tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet (Teddy Wang)
Subject: Re: Vivid 24 graphics card
Reply-To: tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 13:14:05 GMT

>	If you're aiming at the Indigoes, that's another
>argument (which the Amiga loses to in comparison very
>easily as well).  Sorry to burst your bubbles, people,
>Amigas are NOT high-end graphics machines and never will
>be, although I for one will be very happy if I could only
>get the mythical AA chipset for my 3000.
>

Not only is this true, but it's pretty sad :(  Owning an Amiga
has been constant fustration for me.  Seeing other systems progress
at astronomical rates in both software and hardware while the Amiga
has been at a standstill since the introduction of the 3000 and 
KS2.0.  

Now back to DMI's product.  As I understand it (I was considering 
the purchase of a Resolver a couple of months ago), the main 
restraint that most of these graphic display boards have is the fact
that there is virtually no software which supports them.  Sure the
resolver has its paint program, OpalVision has its paint program, and
the list goes on and on.  But which board allows me to use PageStream
at 256 colors (or even 24bit) in resolutions of 1200x1024?  I thought
not!  Now the Vivid, great specs but what the hell can it do in the 
real world?  $3000 or $4000 just seems way to much to have to spend for
a framebuffer!!!  When C= decides to put out a RTG like X Windows, 
I believe we'll see things change a bit, but of course we're talking
about C= so by the time they do, the market will have gone into some-
thing more advanced.  Plus you gotta consider who is going to develop
software for systems that have a whole 1000 buyers on the market in 
total.

>
>--Andre
>
>PS:  to prove my point, people are more than welcome to
>drop by and I can give them a demo of an SGI Crimson/Elan
>running TDI Explore 3.0.
>
>--
>Andre Yew                     andrey@through.ugcs.caltech.edu (131.215.131.169)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: A (sad) story about stocks, Norwegian banks and C=
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:10:20 GMT


	When I got up today I decided that it was a good time to invest in
some stocks, and I headed for my local bank.

	Having finally found somebody who could help me, I found out that he
couldn't, since I wanted to buy foreign stocks. He therefore gave me the
number to their central traders.

	Well, I picked up the phone, called the number, and found somebody
who knew what he was talking about. I explained that I wanted to buy 10
stocks, and he looked them up, told me that they were $9 3/8; approximately
600,- NOK. Then he proceeded to ask if I really wanted to do this. Why, I
asked, how much expenses will there be? 'If you want the stocks in your
hands, with your name and everything, you should expect to pay
approximately 1000,- NOK.'

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, that's one thousand
NOK(~$160).


The C= part of this is that it was C= stocks :-)

(And no, I didn't buy. Anybody know where to buy stocks for reasonable
fees?)


The morale? There is none, but wouldn't this be a good time to but C=
stocks? At least you can praise yourself lucky not using a Norwegian bank.

P.S.
I seem to remember somebody watching C= stocks closely. Couldn't you please
start posting (weekly) about how C= is doing? Thanks.
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: CBM, Advertising, Etc...
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:16:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: CBM ADVERTISING

In article <1992Aug12.190441.16367@news.cs.indiana.edu> Erik S. Kolar <ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>Well, I don't know if this is old news or not, but I saw a funky little ad for
>CDTV on the Prevue Guide cable channel around 5am this morning.  My mouth was
>left wide open in astonishment after seeing a real C= advertisement.  :-)

And you are probably the only person who saw it! I mean, hey! how many
people watch the Preview Guide at 5am? At 5am I'm either hackin' or
sleepin'. If the ad is good it should be run during Trek, Murphy Brown,
Northern Exposure or some other prime-time show like Quantum Leap.
NOt at 5am on a chanel nobody except for Erik watches! :)

>
>And Merisel (sp?) sounds like it has the right idea...
>
>
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <ALANB.92Aug12152530@chipmunk.sdl.mdcbbs.com> alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins) writes:
>>>>>> On 11 Aug 92 10:00:16 GMT, jpotter@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Jonathan Potter) said:

>> Not that stupid. 68020s are very cheap these days, much cheaper than 68030s,
>> and they are much faster than a 68000.

>When I (probably foolishly) suggested the A600 would have had a 68010 if we
>were about to see VM, Dave Haynie said any new Amiga would use a 68030.

Any VM-capable Amiga would use an '030 or '040.  The 68010 is VM capable, but it
alone isn't sufficient for any DPVM scheme, you still need an MMU.  The cost of
68010 or 68020 plus any reasonable MMU device is more than the cost of a 68030.
A 68010 doesn't buy you anything else, and I believe it's no longer supported
by Motorola for new designs.  An '020 would make sense in a faster A500/A600 
class machine.  A real (eg, full 32-bit) '020 system would be faster than the
silly 16-bit '030 Mac or '386SX systems at most things.
-- 
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From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:39:56 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.194236.17358@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
}andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
}[lots of stuff deleted...]
}: Maybe. It was running Coherent, rather than Unix, and the Z8000 processor
}: never quite took off in the marketplace.
}
}	I'm not sure if I'm remembering the correct processor, but wasn't the
}Z8000 awfully buggy?
}	Anyone remember the chip?

Yup...as a matter of fact, I ported an Ocode interpreter for the Z8000
so I could run BCPL code on it, back when it first came out.  Had a BCPL
compiler running on a VAX (one of the first ones, at Orlando NTC, where
the Navy had a research center for training devices), which generated
OCODE, which I converted to binary form and transferred over to the Z8000,
which had the OCODE interpreter.

Say...wonder if I could have brought up AmigaDOS on it?


Lance

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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Aaaaaack!  Take it to advocacy!
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:19:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

In article <52003@dime.cs.umass.edu>, barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
> In article <16173@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zerkle@cs.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) writes:
>>Here's a hint:  If your post contains any of the following phrases, it
>>belongs in .advocacy, and should not be posted anywhere else:
>>
>>"... really sucks"
>>"Commodore Marketing"
>>"Marc Barrett"
>>"... technology is way behind ..."
>>"... is obviously better than ..."
>>"new chip set"
>>"Bahamas"
>>"cheap '486 clone"
>>... and so forth.
	So forth should include the coroner's report postings, too:

	i.e. "The Mac Quadra, the IBM 486, the Atari supercomputer, and the
Amiga 4000 are all dead."
> 
> 	Commodore Marketing really sucks.  Marc Barrett technology is
> way behind.  The new chip set is obviously better than a cheap '486
> clone in the Bahamas.  And so forth.
> 
> 	Followups to c.s.a.audio. :-)
> 
>                                                         Dan
> 
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	This posting is dead.  I killed it, and I am glad:)



		followups to computer.system.underworld.



			Kyle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:02:02 GMT

dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:

>>The Amiga is also said to be the best games machine around.  Alas, so far I
>>have been unable to get many of my older Amiga games to work with it.

>Old games don't work on a new machine with a new OS and a new processor.
>What a surprise.  I guess I*M and M*c don't have that problem...

Windows 3.1 broke software that worked under 3.0--get a clue, Jerry.  Sheesh.
-- 
Dan Griffin
griffin@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: rb345@rbhp63.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:05:04 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <u894776.714264773@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
|> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
|> 
|> >Too bad the Falcon doesn't really have an OS.  Hacks layered upon a stupid
|> >program launcher hardly qualify as an OS, but it should be enough to fool
|> >the suckers who already have STs and don't know any better.
|> 
|> Please tell me when the Amiga gets an OS, i bought mine in 1986
|> and am still waiting for an OS.

Try KS 2.0

-Matthias
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 02:00:34 GMT

In article <kdarling.713863399@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:

[ ]
>
>My question is: why would you even _want_ to mention CDTV?   CD-I has
>the better technology, much more backing and longterm planning, and
>is certainly a helluva lot more likely to evolve in a timely manner.

This is not obvious. CD-I has the SNES connection while CDTV has the 
Amiga one. Do people want a unit that can be easily turned into a
computer? If yes, then CDTV has it all over CD-I. As far as the better
technology, this may be true now in certain areas. It won't be when MPEG
arrives. Now that SCSI interfaces are available for CDTV, there's no 
question that this unit is very close to surpassing CD-I from a more 
general viewpoint (internal drives will soon be out for the SCSI connector).
>
>> Off hand I'd say CDTV is in serious trouble to say the least, especially
>> if major Sears outlet's are showing them off in the computer section.
>
>As long as Amigans continue to buy CDTVs, it'll do okay.  Personally tho,
>I suspect that most buy CDTVs because they're itching for some (any?!)
>kind of new "Amiga" and/or official Commodore CD-ROM support.

Well there's not enough data to really conclude anything at this point. All
one can safely say is that people want MPEG, and this will exist for both
CD-I and CDTV.
 
I own a CDTV and do not fall into either of your two categories.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:34:50 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
 <1992Aug17.223817.17281@usl.edu>

In article <1992Aug17.223817.17281@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
A) says:
>I'd rather an alternative to the death penalty...

I look at things and see a perfect alternative to the death penalty --
life imprisonment with absolutely no possibility of parole. It's just as
nasty if not nastier (you want to live your life out in a prison cell?) it's
cheaper than our current death penalty system, it keeps the criminals
off the streets for good just like the death penalty does, but most important
of all, if it turns out that the suspect was innocent after all, they can
be freed from jail! If the unfortunate person has been executed, on the
other hand, making it up to them is rather more difficult.

So how's this sound? You asked for an alternative...

[Your blood pressure just went up.]       Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:05:48 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:

>I've noticed something interesting with all my friends' children:  they've
>usually only bought just one or two games.  Then they and everyone else
>take their cartridges to school each day, and trade around... sort of like
>a neighborhood book-of-the-month-club circle.

  Let's hope that these lessons in group cooperation aren't lost on them
as they get older! ;-)

  -jack-
From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Huh?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:25:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

In <article 29159@cup.portal.com> barrett@skunkbreath.cs.umass.edu writes:
>A set of chips, dingbat.
 
	[cow,potato,poker,paint,wood,my3sons,munk]?
 
>Yes, you should have one with every meal.
 
	What? A lobotomy victim and a dietician?
 
>What the hell is your problem? Do you think this is
>comp.sys.amiga.nasality or something??
 
	Based on YOUR postings, I thought it was 
	alt.bondage.hairy.monkeyDomination.blindness, but please correct me
	if I'm wrong...if you can still see your keyboard, that is.
 
>A new dog, or a new shovel?
	
	Yes.  And it is exactly this question that has plagued many people
	when shopping for the ideal pet for their child, but since your head
	is filled with blazepuke, there's probably no room for anything else.
	These polydimensional subtleties pass you by as you admire your
	stylish orange velcro pant suit in the mirror (standard attire
	of all blazepuke customer service wimps and also the reason they
	are frequently stuck to each other).
 
Wait don't tell me...let me guess...you also have a styrofoam bobbing head
He-Man doll glued to the dashboard of your Pacer, right?
 
	- Gleeep



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From: tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:11:39 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <34314@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.022849.2319@tronsbox.xei.com> tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>>	The problem is that from the C= perspective it is NOT the same
>>thing. They have a definate profit motiv to do some PR for the Amiga.
>
>But, from my perspective you insisting that _I_ read and respond to
>Marc's posts _is_ the same as requiring people to read the
>National Enquirer.

	I already mentioned that "you" don't have to. It is C= who
needs to pay attention. 

>
>>	No - I take your word for it. But your implication that we
>>don't get info on Usenet because it is not "official" made me think
>>that BIX (being official) had the info we want.
>
>Certified or Commercial developers conferences on BIX might indeed have 
>the information you want.  But I'm not going announce the info here.

	Again - C= leaves the people who are spending money on the
Amiga with no info to base a decision on.

>You're kidding, right ?  Ted Nelson, inventor of hypertext in the 60s, founder
>of Project Xanadu in the 60s, owner of the Xanadu trademark, author
>of the book _Computer Lib and Dream Machines_ , etc. ?  You've never
>heard of him, really ?  I always thought your company name indicated

	OH - that Ted Nelson :-)

>some connection.  (One of his other trademarks is "The Eternal Flaming X"
>so you could see how I could have been confused :-) )  Basically, he
>predicted a lot of the personal computer revolution, and came up with a lot
>of advanced ideas about how to use computers that are just becoming possible
>today.  

	Hehe -- then I must be related to him.

>			
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>
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>
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>"The good news is that there is a program for the PC that converts between
> 300 different graphics file formats.  The bad news is that it's needed."
>
>Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
>I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.


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From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga has it all
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:45:40 GMT
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority


After just seeing Workbench 3 in action I have to say I'm not really all
that impressed. The palette program with it's Windows/Mac-like colour
selecter is a nice touch, should look pretty cool with AA.

Virtual Memory, if you want it, buy GigaMem by some crew in Germany?.
It's configurable for a huge range of programs, seems to work brilliantly
with Art Dept Pro, added 10MB vmem and was able to manipulate a 2000x2000x
24bit pic!!

matt.
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