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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Answer to fun problem and yet another fun problem
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:05:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BzFoCH.7E9@cs.psu.edu> wang@math.psu.edu writes:
>
>Let's put three cards in a hat: one card has two red sides, one card has two
>white sides, and the remaining one has one red side and one white side.
>then we take one card out of the hat, and put it on the table.  We can only
>see the upper side of the card, say it's red.  Then I bet the other side
>is the same color (in this case, red).  Now we turn over the card and look
>at the other side: if it's white I pay you $1; if it's red you pay me $1.
>Do you think the game is fair?

Well, the red/white card has only 1/2 chance of showing red, while the
red/red has a chance of 1. Suppose you only have these two cards in the hat,
the chance of seeing red is 3/4.. Now suppose there is another white/white
card in here, the chance of NOT getting a red face is: 1/3+(1/4)*(2/3), or
1/3+1/6=1/2. The chance of getting a red face is then 1-1/2=1/2
The chance of getting that red face from the red/red card is: 1/3
therefore, the chance of getting that red face from the red/white card is:
1/2-1/3=1/6.. Double check: (1/3)*(1/2)=1/6
Thus, the chance of getting red is twice that of getting white..
So after 15 games, you should win 5 of them, and lose 5 bucks in the process

NW
---
NOT Danielle Wei, and NOT a math-person
From: yucao@cco.caltech.edu (Yu Cao, aka Bobbo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: a math problem for those who want to challenge china's math champion
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:23:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: coil.caltech.edu

In article <00965125.C67B2F40@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>this is one of the 6 problems in the final contest of national math contest of
>1986.
>a plane is filled with any way by either black or white points. Prove that:
>there must exist one equi-lateral triangle whose 3 vertex are same color.
>

Proof follows.

 skip if you don't want your fun spoiled.


O stands for white, X for black. Suppose proposition is false, 
then pick an equilateral triangle, like this

              X
             / \
            /   \
           /     \
          O-------O

then the mirrored point of that X over O-O would have to be X:

              X
             / \
            /   \
           /     \
          O-------O
           \     /
            \   /
             \ /
              X

Connect the two X's, and the two points that form equilateral triangles
with them should be O:

              X
             /|\
            / | \
           /  |  \
  O-------O---+---O-------O
           \  |  /    .
            \ | /  .
             \|/.
              X

Do the same thing for the newly formed O's, you get a grid like this:

      X       X       X
             /|\
            / | \
           /  |  \
  O-------O---+---O-------O
         / \  |  / \  
        /   \ | /   \
       /     \|/     \
      X-------X-------X

Now you have a triangle of XXX! (pun not intended) QED.
-- 
Yu Cao 					yucao@cco.caltech.edu
Caltech 103-33                          
Pasadena, CA 91125
From: madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question about being adopted by an American Family
Date: 20 Dec 1992 23:29:56 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:

>In article <1gng22INNddh@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>>My friend wants to know what benefit he will have after being adopted by
>>an American family.
>>
>>He is now a poor F-1 student fighting for survival.
>>
>>--wang


>He has to be careful.  The way I see it, the only reason
>that the American family wants to adopt him is so that
>they can brainwash him into becoming a Christian.

Please don't make blanket assumptions about the intentions of individuals.
Not all Americans are Christian and many who are aren't very religious.  A
far greater concern is whether or not the immigration authorities will
consider this adoption legitimate or whether they will view it as an attempt
to backdoor his way into permanent residency.  As far as I know, immigration
will not consider the adoption of an individual who is over 18 as legitimate
for any reason and they would look with a very discerning eye to any attempt
to adopt a foreigner who is over 14.  I would therefore be very careful about
placing him in a position of possible immigration fraud. (The same can be
said if he tried to marry an American).

Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi
Department of Economics
Program in Political Economy and Public Policy
University of Southern California
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: 24 points or no 24 points
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:59:04 GMT

In article <884@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <BzEvL8.Dny@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>Let me increase the difficulty.
>>
>>10,10,10,10
>
>How about (log10+log10+log10+log10)! = 24
>;-)
>
>Base 10 log of course.
>
>How about  a, b, c, d where a b c d are any non-zero numbers :-)

I like your general solution, for the initial questioning, better.

You should have told people the secret of never losing:

Denote A=ABS(Sign(a)), ...
  then (A+B+C+D)!=24

You can always win.

:0
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jwang@rad.rpslmc.edu (jinzhao wang)
Subject: Re: The depreciation of RMB
Reply-To: jwang@rad.rpslmc.edu
Organization: Rush Presbyterian-St. Lukes Medical Center, Chicago IL 60612
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:19:42 GMT

In article liqfk2INNias@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>Folks,
>
>If you have noticed, the value of RMB is going down and down.
>It has been depreciated many times since the China door is open.
>It has been in flexible rate day to day, city to city (I wonder
>why it changes city to city).
>
>It may go down 10:1 against the US dollar soon!
>If you have held RMB, take action to change the money now
>before it is too late!
>

RMB will be depreciated in the short term, but it may appreciate in the long term.
My guess is: the exchange rate between RMB and US dollar, 10:1 in 5 years and 1:1 in 20 years.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ywang@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Youling Wang)
Subject: Re: Gun Shot
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:34:55 GMT

In article <92351.175731U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>According to The World Journal (Chinese Newspaper) , Wednesday , Dec.16,
>
>1992 :
>   On Dec 15,1992 at the state of Massachusetts,
>   A hornor student from China shot two to dead and the other four
>wounded , by using his semi-auto rifle which was just bought at the
>same day. After the incident , he called the police department to
>declare the incident.



Really?


Anyone confirm this?
From: lug@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 1 dime + 1 quarter = 35 cents
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:46:57 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: balsam.ppc.ubc.ca

In article <Dec.14.18.18.17.1992.3094@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
|> Ok, two coins, a dime and a quarter make up 35 cent, right? Now, can you 
|> make up 35 cents from two coins when one of them is not a quarter?
|> ZZZ


I used to hear this problem from one of my friend who is a pre-school teacher which is used to test the
smartness of the kids.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: soc.culture.china
From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:23:53 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: koutd

This message is addressed to those people trying to argue the point whether
Taiwanese is Chinese. 

Please stop arguing the topic whether Taiwanese is Chinese or not. It is
pointless and meaningless to let this argument goes on. Does it make any
different if someone says that he/she is from China or Taiwan? Or does it
really matter if CCP is better than KMT or KMT is better than CCP? I don't
know how the argument started at the first place, but please stop replying
or trying to argue. The topic is useless and pointless, and I don't see how
the argument could lead to a constructive solution or improve anything. 
If you are bore, please find something else to do. Don't waste your time on
this kind of childish argument. I am sure you didn't come all the way to
the United States to argue this topic, I am sure you came here for a better
reason. So stop wasting your time now....

Doug
From: wanqing@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Wanqing Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test only
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:43:58 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au
Summary: WQli
Keywords: wql

llfjkljfio
safnkjhnf
sdfjklfj
sdgfj

FUNNY!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: math problem
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:44:57 GMT

In article <ding.921213102812@bell.ee.eng.auburn.edu> ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes:
>In article <9212110333.AA13492@mariner.sce.carleton.ca> li@sce.carleton.ca (Yao Li) writes:
>>                            Math Problem
>>                            ------------
>>
>>Getting bored? Here is a math problem.
>>
>>There is a polynomial:
>>       -a*y**n + y**(n-1) + y**(n-2) + ... + y + 1 = 0
>>where real number a>0 and the notation "y**n" represents the nth power of y.
>>
>>It's conjectured that this polynomial has a unique positive real solution y.
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This problem depends on how you understand it.

>>
>>Can you prove it or find a counter example?
>>
>
>It appears to me that the conclusion depends on the range of "a" and
>whether $n$ is odd or even.
>
>Example:  n=1 ==> y=1/a is the only positive solution.
>
>Example:  n=2 and a=2 ==> y=1 and y= -0.5 are both solutions.
                                   ^^^^^^^<0

>
>So the conjecture does not hold even for the simple example above.
>
>
>
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: The baby is being cut in half
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:27:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134935.1@cua.edu>, 54yang@cua.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.144014.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
[deleted]
 
> 
> Democracy is desired every where and it is justifiable by its own term.
> But for this specific issue what the HK Governer (he is a colonial
> governer assigned by UK!!!) is doing or trying to do now is not a
> pure issue of people's movement (or grassroots movement) but enforced
> by the colonial governer!!!

You cannot denial there is no people's movement.  What those people
saying now is that Patten's proposal is not democratic enough.
There is a match between the Patten's proposal and local HKites.
But please also notice that CCP or Chinese Government trying
to oppose the local democratic reform.  As you said "democracy is
desired every where", can you justify why CCP oppose HK's
democracy reform?

> 
> Don't be too naive.  You should try to find out why Governer Pattern
> want to introduce this issue at this time.  His personal motivation,
> his personal interests, his political party's interests, UK's interests,
> etc. should be investigated.  
> 

Please give these information if you have enough evidence! I also want 
to know.  Please also give the CCP's information too.  You should
try to investigate both sides.  But most important, you should try
to investigate HKites and try to understand what we need.
 
> Why UK didn't introduce the "democracy" 20 years ago, or 50 years ago when
> this kind of democracy has been enjoyed by British people?
> 
> I don't pretend to know this, could you please answer these questions?
> 
> 54yang@cua.edu
 
I don't know.  Please also tell me if you know!
But why we cannot do it now?

Raymond Kwok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:16:11 GMT

In article <Bz4DpH.9Cr@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1g9s0oINNl1m@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>>From article <92Dec10.165619est.54@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, by liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu):
>>> I got a question, besides the "turkistan from Agean Sea to Great Wall"
>>> rhetoric, how close are Uygurs and Turkish people related?  I really
>>> don't think their blood line was that close.
>>
>>If you mean genetically, the people of Turkey are not that different
>>from their neighbours in the eastern Mediterranean.  As for language,
>>I understand that Turkish and Uighur are about as different as Cantonese
>>and Mandarin.
>
>What I want to know is: how/why are the mongol/manchu languages more similar
>to turkish than to chinese? aren't the mongols/manchus mongoloids and the
>turks caucassoids?


hmmm, I don't know.  when early Manchurians took over Northern China
from Song Dynasty and founded the Jin, their written language was
very close to written Chinese, although the meaning of the words
are lost today, and very few expert can figure out a couple of characters.

then again, same thing happened to the Tibetan-related Western Xia Kingdom
during that period.   To modern day Chinese, words from those two 
lost written language looks exactly like Chinese, but they are just
not recognizable.   

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32764 soc.culture.taiwan:16223 soc.culture.japan:12402
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.japan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:45:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.185004.3371@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>In article <yQS=X_+@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@periphrasis.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes...
>> 
>>	Yes, but that was the Mongolians.  The Chinese are inherently
>>isolationists and non-vilolent.  If the Chinese had intension to 
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
isolationists unfortunately yes -- imagine Tang Dynasty had a policy
of conquest & massive colonization, sheeeh!   "non-violent"  I guess not.  
>> 
>>- C. H. Yang 
>
>	Oh really!! That is why China has swallowed Tabet non-violently.
>	Must thank India's Nehru who did not create any trouble, otherwise
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nehru and Zhou En-Lai were both world-class liers, please do not
make fun of/praise only one of them.  

and speaking of india, it certainly picks on and annexing a few
helpless neighbors of its own and dreaming on Sino-Tibetan territories
rightfully passed on by some British Governor General who had 
drawn a line on a map using a very very fat red pen earlier this 
century without the consent any Tibetan or Han ...

>	the world would have known Chinese non-violent behavior.
>
oh no!  the Tibet thread again, it's bound to come up every month or
so, this is dreadful, i will pass, let somebody else flame on this.  

>	And what about one million girls killed, non-violently of course,
>	in the name of population control?
>
I don't think the Chinese government in any time suggested people to
kill their baby girls, in fact it's counts as murder like in anywhere else
and certainly would land the parents in jail ... but even Communist propaganda
machine has its limits when it came to some poor remote backward villages ...

and by the way, where do you get the "one million" figure, does that
come from the same place as the "20+ million political prisoners"?  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mickeyc@usops.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mickey Cheng)
Subject: Re: Some general questions
Organization: AMGEN Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 21:29:08 GMT

In article <wshi.723785725@ponder>, wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi) writes:
|> In <Bywttv.B7x@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
|> 
|> >Also, does anybody think China'll ever be able to reclaim its lost
|> >territories in the Northeast/Mongolia??
|> 
|> Wait when the ex-USSR republics get into a war
|> among themselves, then China can take back Northeast,
|> but probably not Mongolia.

	The ideal way is to buy it back. It will cost a fortune but nothing is
   more expnsive that human lives.

					Mickey Cheng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: you@cs.montana.edu (Xia You)
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:22:41 GMT

In article <BzBxo6.B2E@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <BzBvyp.FnL@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>|>sure. the cow's tail points at sky.
>|
>|Why not at the ground?
>
>
>	Simple, the poor cow has got so dizzy by turning endlessly its
>head has crashed into the ground!  :-(
>
>(are we getting into biology now?  :-) )
>
>
>
>	 Eddie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Keywords: 

In article <BzBvyp.FnL@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>sure. the cow's tail points at sky.
>
>Why not at the ground?
>
Good question, let me tell you now.
Because the cow is so clever to make all the turn but do not make any errors.
What do you think he will feel?
Of course, "weiba (tail) qiaodao (point at) tianshang quliao"


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From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:31:05 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <50S=k-B@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>
>Who posted the original article?  This is the most stupid thread I have ever
>see in USENET.  It is like asking "IS WHITE AMERICAN BRITISH"? or "IS WHITE
>CANADIAN BRITISH"?
>
>How stupid.  Another bitching thread from the pro-CCPers, I guess...

Please don't put on your flame easily to SCHK. It is free for all to
discuss their opinion. If you find that something you seems wrong, you
should share your viewpoint to others.
All insults such as '??? running dogs' or 'He..He.. see how you response
to this fact' or 'your response is sick' are not constructive and 
therefore not welcomed. No one want to waste their time to read
postings which try to insult each other. And, I don't want everyone to
response to others' postings like a few of the extreme CCP supporters do.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33149 soc.culture.taiwan:16318 soc.culture.hongkong:16510
From: vchan@haas.berkeley.edu (Vincent Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:53:14 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

In article <BzF77B.IvK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>If you TIers don't think you are Chinese, why do you keep posting so many 
>offensive articles in this soc.culture.china news group? 
>
>Taiwanese is not Chinese if China and Taiwan are two different countries. 
>Unfortunately to those TIers, although there is two governments, there is 
>only one country. 

	Let me add some more :

	If they don't think they are Chinese, get rid of their Chinese
	last name and don't use Chinese characters !!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: Democracy boat sailed last year?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:34:25 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1472500017@igc.apc.org> asia2@igc.apc.org (John Nides, Louisa Coen) writes:
>
>  
>From:  Diana L., Univ. of Michigan
>  
>Looking for some details about the Democracy in China boat that
>sailed from Europe to the South China sea last year.  It was 
>refused permission to dock in Taiwan to get supplies, and had to
>turn around and go back.  
>  
>Can anyone tell me the official name of the boat and the name of the
>organization that launched the boat?
>When, approximately, did the boat sail to the Pacific?
>How much money did it cost?
>Any details or a copy of any news articles would be greatly
>appreciated.
>  
>Thank you!!

This boat, as I remember correctly, finally got permitted to stay in Taiwan.
But, for some reasons, the sponsors went broke and the boat was bought by
a Taiwanese merchant. Now, maybe the merchant offers touring cruise by
using this boat. 8=)
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ty Lee                                                                    */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:25:09 GMT

In article <BzBCnL.CBC@cs.psu.edu>, wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang) writes:
>In article 1@cua.edu, chenx@cua.edu () writes:
>>In article <15DEC199202400198@utkvx2.utk.edu>, xic@utkvx2.utk.edu (Chen, Xi) writes:
>>> Well, the following is an old arithmatic problem, not mathematic problem.
>>> 
>>> Do you know a poker game called 24 points?  If you know it, you know the 
>>> rule.  There are four cards, 5, 5, 5 and 1.  Find an arithmatic expression
>>> using all the number once and only once to get 24.
>>> 
>>> [rule deleted]
>>
>>I posted this problem this morning, and up to now, I have received two 
>>correct responses from
>>
>>	Zhang, Yuemin   at  Texas A&M   and
>>        Yding           at  Pittsburgh
>>
>>I have also received a mail from Qian Wen at Inst. for Naval Oceanography,
>>but the mail was empty.  I do not know what is wrong.
>>
>> [deleted]
>
>OK, with the above problem, it is easy to derive some more similar
>problems, all of them use the denominations in a set of playing cards.
>The first group is the above problem.  I worked the other ones out
>several years ago.
>
>Reminder of the rule:  you can only use +, -, * and / to get 24.  You
>may take the numbers at any order, but each number should be used once
>and only once.
>
>1) 1  5  5  5
>2) 3  3  7  7
>3) 4  4  7  7
>4) 2  2  11 11
>5) 2  2  13 13
>6) 5  5  7  11
>7) 5  7  7  11
>
>i) Can you solve each one of them?  It shouldn't be difficult with
>   the solution of 1) posted by two other netters.
>
>ii) What do these groups have in common? Can you find any other
>    similar groups?



a simple rule I got in primary school is this:
A,A,B,D=(A*B-or+24)
i.e.:  A*(B-or+D/A)=24

have fun from math.

W.Huang