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From: ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: info on goalkeepers requested
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:02:00 GMT

I am particulalry interested in goalkeppers. Since I am currently living in  
St. John's, Newfoundland, where Italian newspapers are simply not sold (I 
understand there are only six other Italians living here) and TSN shows  
little or nothing about the Italian league, I would like to be informed 
about the following:

1) Who are the upcoming goalkeepers in the Italian first and second 
division?

2) Who is doing particularly well and who is doing less well than was 
expected?

3) Who is showing  "sweeping" qualities and who is suffering the most from 
the new rules?

4) Between Peruzzi and Pagliuca who seems destined to replace the 
overvalued Zenga.

Any other information concerning goalkeepers is welcomed. 
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From: nitsche@carson.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)
Subject: German cup results
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:47:44 GMT

Could anybody please post the complete DFB Pokal results? (We got 
only parts of it here - from Juergen's Sunday posting I got the
impression he posted something on Saturday, but it did not arrive
here.)

Thank you -

Gregor
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Subject: Re: cups
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:01:23 +0000







In article <1992Oct8.132500.27219@alf.uib.no> s009@brems.ii.uib.no
(Arne Rivenes) writes:

>As far as I know, have there been played qualifying round in a amatuer-cup.
>I can't rmemeber wich at the moment, but I guess someone know.
>What i want to know, is how Accrington Stanley did (if they played).
>You can throw in some more results, if you like to.

The first rounds were played last month, other than my team Droylsden being
unceremoniously dumped out of the Trophy, and Glossop NE making an early exit
from the Vase, I don't remember any results. I think Accrington made it
safely though to the next round of the Trophy though (they might even have
had a bye). The next rounds will be due in a couple of weeks.

>I would also like to have list over the most important amateur-cups,
>and which divisions that play in wich cup.

There is the FA Challenge Trophy and the FA (Challenge?) Vase. The Trophy was
introduced in about 1970 as a competition for semi-professional clubs
(i.e. those with part-time paid players). The Vase was introduced in about
1974 to replace the old Amateur Cup when the FA abolished the distinction
between amateurs and professionals. The Trophy has clubs mainly in the top
tiers of the non-league pyramid (i.e Conference, Southern League, Northern
Premier, Isthmian League (Divs Prem & 1)) and the Vase has those in the lower
reaches of the pyramid. There is some overlap, so a few clubs in the Trophy
might actually be playing in a lower division than some clubs in the Vase.
The FA moves clubs between the two tournaments as their playing standards
change.

Another FA competition is the FA Sunday Cup, played for by teams playing
in Sunday Leagues (!). The best Sunday League teams often have several players
from top non-league sides in their line-up.

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From: llew@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan Voon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds Utd vs Stuggart on Sportschannel
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:56:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

anybody knows whether the 3rd game will be broadcast live or otherwise
on the east coast (massachusetts)?
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From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Re: Man Utd vs L'pool
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:36:06 GMT

In article <4ermeaa00UhWE5R1Ff@andrew.cmu.edu> Andy Yin Meau <am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Manchester United is going to kick Liverpool's ass this weekend.  Nice
>try Souness!  I wish him the best of luck in looking for a new job.
>
>Andy

Just kicking our ass does not count. It's winning the championship and the 
Cup that does. And we have been doing it the last 15-20 years while you were
just barely surviving the first division. 

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From: mshaw@uiuc.edu (Mark Shaw)
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Subject: Request for African Results?
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:17:25 GMT
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Organization: University of Illinois
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Can anyone post the results of the African WC Qualifiers played on Fri
(Oct. 9)?  I believe there were about 20 games.  Thanks in advance
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Goal.zip
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:47:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Akash <as14@cornell.edu>
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Thanks for the binary suggestion. I'll make sure it is binary throughout
the downloading process.

Best, Chris

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From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: LEEDS OUT and IN AGAIN
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:03:56 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <137@bjcong.bj.co.uk> timk@bjcong.UUCP (TIM KENNEDY) writes:
>In article <26503@castle.ed.ac.uk> efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw) writes:
>>rconway@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>>
>>Not too sure what has been finally decided, but if Leeds do go through
>>they face my team Rangers in the next round. Celtic will play B.
>>Dortmund and Hearts have been drawn against Standard Liege.
>
>Glorious Leeds United are to replay the Hun in Barcelona on Friday night.
>Batty and Dorigo have been released from international duty (stop that 
>tittering you at the back!) so that they are free to play.


Why don't you get your racist remarks off the net.  Regardless of what you
think of UEFA and their decisions, "HUN" is a derogatory term and has no place
in rec.sport.soccer!


-- 
Pablo
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
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Subject: Stickers
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:16:26 GMT
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    I would like to increase my collection of team stickers, does anyone have
an address to some company who has a big collection of stickers???
(For example, all First division clubs from various countries)

Cheers,
Kent
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From: fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
Subject: Re: Whining from Leeds fans
Organization: INESC, Lisboa, Portugal
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:01:31 GMT

In article <01GPMQ2K4SJM987E60@ccmail.sunysb.edu> ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley) writes:

>1) Someone wrote in and said that the standard default score set by EUFA 
>(presumably?) was 3-0. Thus, (i may be wrong here) if this is the case why is 
>everyone complaining about EUFA decision ?
>Stuttgart defaulted the game by (in)advertantly cheating.
>Stuttgart defaults the game.
>leeds win 3-0
>Therefore, we have to have a replay.
>Therefore, we either toss a coin to see who plays at ome, or,
>Therefore we play on a neutral ground, i.e. Barcelona (presumably equidistant 
>from both cities).

Anyway I do not think the penalty result 3-0 is explicitly refered as a
punishment in this case. Does anyone know the EXACT rules ???
I do not :-(

>2) The majority of people seem to think Leeds have been hard done by.
>This may be the case, admittedly, however I feel (naive it may be)
>that football is still a game with some sportmanship and some sense of fair 
>play.
>
>With tis in mind -- theonly sensible thing to do is to let the better football 
>team go through to the next round.
>Surely if Leeds are going to go on to win the Cup they will be good enough to 
>beat Stuttgart (or vice-versa). Why is everyone whinging against EUFA ?
>The decision was the only one in the spirit of the game (never mind that this 
>spirit in now irrevocably erroded!).

One has to consider that the introduction of a defender had a serious influence
on the 10 last minutes of the game. So the "spirit of the game" was 
already broken.

Although it would be unfair to win on a technicality it is also unfair to 
give a second chance to those who have cheated. Advertantly in my opinion.
( I find hard to believe that a professional team makes this kind of errors
inadvertantly. But I also find hard to believe that a profesional team
with so many german marks to loose would take such a stupid risk, unless they
knew the decision before end ... but that's only speculation ... )

All things measured I would make them play a third game but not on neutral
ground. The game should be played in Leeds as would be an after-time.

If Stuttgart is really better then Leeds they would also beat them ...
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From: fsff@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Real Madrid - Valencia score anyone?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:46:16 GMT

Hi there!

Could someone please post the result of Real Madrid - Valenica?
From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Belgium-Rumania
Keywords: Game summary
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:16:14 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

About Belgium - Rumania:

I heard on TV that PSV's Gica Popescu is injured? Does anyone know some more
about that? I hope it's not true (because of AEK-PSV next week)...


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From: Mark Shaw <mshaw@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Request for African Results?
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:05:07 GMT
From: stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:04:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> 
>   You seems to forget a couple of things here:
> 
>    o  At the time of the substitution VfB Stuttgart was the
>       qualified team.

Wrong! There was 8 minutes left. if Leeds had scored they'd have gone through.

> 
>    o  VfB Stuttgart couldn't possibly have known what the
>       decision of UEFA would be.

No, but they may have banked on the fact that UEFA would have bottled it in the
face of German TV pressure - how right they were.

> 
>    o  Most late substitution have limited effect.


Unless it's Carl Shutt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> -- 
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> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
>           AGF and Liverpool FC for the 1993 EC2 final

Stuart
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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Holland - Poland
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:34:30 GMT

kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
> [deleted]
>>Van Vossen       (A)
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>Why him?
>>
>>And the expected result: 2-0
>Agree :-)
>>
>>--
>>- Q: Why do I like white beans in /\  Mischa Bronstring (bronstri@fwi.uva.nl) -
>>-    tomatosauce?                 \/    Schoterbosstraat 15                   -
>>- A: Because PSV Eindhoven plays  /\      2023 TR  Haarlem                    -
>>-    in white and red!            \/        HOLLAND                           -
>Don't Ajax and Feyenoord (and Sparta and Utrecht) play in red and white as
>well? :-) (That is, at the few occasions that they wear their official colours
>instead of something to please their shirt sponsor or whoever they think to
>please :-(
>>
>Groeten,
>Karel
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> -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
>"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
> die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]

Why Peter van Vossen? Because Bryan Roy won't be selected for the Dutch team
anymore (probably) and Van Vossen is the man 'we' need! He's fast, knows how 
to score a goal, is tactically good and, in Oranje MUCH needed, he is mentally
very strong!

Groeten terug!

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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Leeds v Stuttgart, future tactics.
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:33:18 GMT
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In <_92*_I=IT_S=Marsh_OU=man0507_O=icl_PRMD=icl_ADMD=gold_400_C=GB__@MHS> I.T.Marsh@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk writes:

>  You can just imagine it now can't you?
>  
>  Blackburn in next years European Cup playing Stuttgart. Blackburn 
>  lose the away leg 4-0 (disaster!). The second leg takes place at 
>  Ewood Park in front of 20,000 screaming Lancies. Blackburn have a 
>  stormer and with 10 minutes to go they are leading by 7 - 0. Then
>  Stuttgart throw on 2 foreigners making it four foreigners on the 
>  pitch. The match finishes with Blackburn winning 7-4 on aggregate.
>  
>  Then, low and behold, Stuttgart admit to UEFA that they 
>  "accidentally" played 4 foreigners (remembering to themselves what 
>  happened against Leeds). UEFA decide they have to be consistent 
>  and award the match by the default score 3-0 to Blackburn Rovers. 
>  All of a sudden Blackburn are OUT of the European Cup 4-3 on 
>  aggregate.

Two problems with this:
(1) The violation occurred when VFB Stutt. named 4 foreigners to the side (not
just when the fourth came on).
(2) The rule UEFA invoked also provides that if the innocent side gets a better
result than 3-0, it stands.  So in this case, Blackburn still wins the series
7-4.

>  What a bunch of plonkers UEFA are. The only sensible decision 
>  would obviously have been to throw them out, they could have used 
>  that rule consistently. I can't believe they haven't fined them 
>  (or has it just not been publicised?).

This I agree with; logically, they should have been ejected, but not having a
UEFA rulebook (if there is one), I can't say whether the ruling was legally
correct.

Go HEARTS!

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Mt. Juliet Capulets--Ultra Cricket
From: stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Video screens:RE: Leeds v Rangers
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:25:38 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

>RE: Video screening matches...
 
> I did once and the atmosphere was great, but it was a very special occasion.
> In 1986 (?), before the penultimate round of the Bundesliga,
> Werder Bremen was leading the table two points ahead of Bayern Muenchen.
> And that was the pairing of this round: Werder-Bayern.
> As you can imagine, it was virtually impossible to get a ticket
> (capacity of the Weser-Stadion: 40,000).
> It was shown live on satellite tv, but hardly anybody had one then.
> 
> What happened was that they erected some large video screens
> in Bremen's city centre, and in almost every shop window on the high streets
> there was a tv set showing the game (the shops were closed at that time).
> Neither before nor afterwards,
> I have ever seen Bremen's city centre as crowded as on that occasion
> (and I lived there for twenty years).
> 
> To conclude the story: the game ended 1-1 with Kutzop missing a
> penalty for Werder in the last minute of the game; Bayern won their
> last game at home against M'gladbach and Werder lost their last game
> in Stuttgart --- with Bayern winning the championship on goal difference.
> 
> --
> Stefan Kahrs

Sounds as though it must have been a sickener but I can't imagine the City of
Leeds planning such a thing. I assume they'll put it up covering one end of the
ground and perhaps place seating on the pitch (depending upon numbers). It just
sounds surreal like some weird drive-in movie.

I think the safety aspect though must come into question here. I know Leeds
police weren't too keen on the ban basically for the reason that it will be
very difficult to enforce. It could easily happen that fans will travel without
a ticket (British fans do this all the time and then wonder why they can't get
in - or get stung by a tout) and the system you describe at Weder with screens
in the town could lead to crowd trouble with fans mixing in the city centre.

Stuart
From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: England vs Norway - score
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:07:20 GMT

I got an email from a friend of mine and he told me that the score was 1:1, 
although he wasn't sure if it was the final score or not. The only other info
he had was that Platt scored for England from a free kick.
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From: ask@tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk (Andrew M Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Creating league tables.
Keywords: League tables
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:58:23 GMT
Organization: Athletic Union At Nottingham University


 Does anyone out there have - or know of - a program that will allow the user to compile league sports tables on the Apple Mac. I was thinking of writting one but at present do not have the time (Final exam coming up) as I'm not use to using the one button wonder. It should allow the user to enter the result of fixture and then the  program should compile the league tables. The program should also allow the leagues to be printed onto a laser printer.

  It would also be nice if the program could organise the fixtures - which would save a lot of typing in - but this is not essential.

   Any help in this matter would be greatfully excepted

              Thanks in advance
                Andrew S.
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