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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:18:45 PST
Reply-To:     "(Perikles Konstantinides)" <perkon@SCF.USC.EDU>
From:         "(Perikles Konstantinides)" <perkon@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      re: Ivdiavoi kai dikaiwma $nfou.
Comments: To: GEORGE%UMBC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Comments: cc: hellas@uga.uga.edu
              Nov 11, 92 2:34 pm

Apantw, sthn mh-apanthsh ths erwthshs mou:

> Exoume loipov kai leme...
> H av0rwpologos Ruth Benedict ("Minority Aged in America," 1971) grafei:
> "The aged Indian lives in a state of grinding poverty, the scope of which is
>  unknown to any other population group in the U.S."

        Auto den shmainei kai polla. Kai prin apo to 1492 se ftwxeia zousan.
    Kai ta paidia katw apo 5 etwn zoun se asxhmes sun0hkes edwq. Loipon;

> Apo diafores alles pnges, av0rwpologoi kai koivwviologoi, ma0aivoume oti o
> American Indian megalwvei, gevika, s'eva upotupwdes ktisma (alloi to leve
> spiti),

        Esu pws to les dhladh; Kai ean den eixe "anakaluf0ei" h Amerikh,
    se teepee den 0a emenan; To teepee einai kalutero; Pantws egw phga
    perusi ton Maio sto Navajo Reservation, sthn BA Arizona, kai ean kai
    ta pragmata einai safws upoba0mismena me thn upoloiph Amerikh, den
    mou fanhke polu xeiroterh h katastash apo ta xwria ths Sikelias,
    gia paradeigma.

> apokta - av eivai tuxeros - upotupwdn morfwsn, to income tou eivai
> aveparkes, n ugeia tou eivai gia klammata, oi upnresies pou tou prosferovtai
> apo to kratos (apo opoiadnpote morfn kai av avtiproswpeuetai) eivai mndamivn
> klp.

         To kratos den prosferei polla giati h suntriptikh pleiopshfia
     twn Indianwn zoun se autonomes perioxes, ektos ths dikaiodosias
     ths kubernhshs, kai den plhrwnoun forous.

> Oi statistikes (1978) mas leve oti : se, sxedov ola, ta American
> Indian groups
> o diabntns eivai polu diadedomevos avamesa tous kai suvtelei sta megala
> posota 0vnsimotntas tous (episns snmavtiko eivai o ari0mos twv vekrwv apo
> atuxnmata). O logos? Obesity, mas leve oi ereuves apo tous Hamman (1978) kai
> Knowler (1981).

              Wraia, kai loipon; As kanoun diaita. Kai sthn Ellada exoume
      problhma paxous. Poios ftaiei; H Kubernhsh;

> Merikes paratnrnseis:
> (exovtas pavta sto mualo mas oti oi American Indians 3exwrizouv se autous
> pou zouv stis poleis kai autous pou zouv e3w apo autes):
> 1. Oi pio polloi exouv arxisei kai milouv agglika kai etsi mporouv v'akolou-
>    0nsouv tis sumboules tou giatrou...

          OLOI milane Agglika edw kai 100 xronia, den einai neo
     to fainomeno.

> 2. H allagn diaforwv suvn0eiwv, opws px tns diatrofns tous, otav nl0av se
>    epafn me tov "e3w kosmo" eixe arvntikes epiptwseis stnv ugeia tous...

          ......... Xanarwtaw: KAI LOIPON; Ti sxesh exei auto me to
      ean "katapiezontai" 'h oxi;

> 3. Oi statistikes eivai polu avnsuxntikes gia ta pososta autwv pou eivai
>    alkoolikoi, autwv pou avtimetwpizouv $uxologika problnmata kai agxos.

            Opws epishs, anhsuxhtikes, einai oi statistikes autes kai
     gia tous katoikous twn megalwn polewn, leoukous, maurous 'h kitrinous...

> 4. Episns avnsuxntikes eivai kai oi statistikes pou avaferovtai sta pososta
>    twv vewv pou epixeirouv va autoktovnsouv...

             Opws, gia paradeigma sthn SOUHDIA...

> opoios 0elei mporw va dwsw kai tis avaloges statistikes.
> O lukos


pfk
southern cal
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