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From: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Why not a bi-winged sailplane??
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:23:45 GMT
Reply-To: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

Let me first state that I'm in now way an expert in this area, just an
interested Discus driver.

I can think of at least two reasons not to add more surfaces to a glider.
The fuselage to wing junction has traditionally been terrible from a flow
standpoint and adding two more junctions wouldn't do you much good. The
second problem would be the losses from the second set of wing tips. The
tendency in high performance low speed aircraft is towards long narrow
cord wings (high aspect ratio) with associated low tip loss numbers. 

Another concern would be duplicating the wing attach fittings, not an
exactly cheap item. Building molds for 4 wings instead of 2? I have the
feeling that manufacturers in search of the 'ultimate' competition 
glider would be more than willing to do anything, even the unconventional,
to get a winning design. Burt Rutan designed the two lifting surface
Solitare but pilot reports give it fairly low performance numbers for
the effort put into the surfaces.

	Rick

Opinions, what opinions? Just the facts madam.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Subject: Re: I give up...
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:42:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.014401.27704@u.washington.edu> seymour@milton.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour) writes:
>So a question or two to the net.wisdom:
> 1) HOW does ATC plan your clearance?  Manually? some delivery-route computer
>        package? You ask for A-B-C-D, they give A-X-Q-R-D  (efc at 1400)
> 2) what is the mechanism /consequence if the pilot rejects a clearance?
>   ("Cessna 1234 unable to accept that routing 
>   [optional: per FAR 91.xxx Fuel reserve requirements]")
> 3) Has any of you ever done that (reject a clearance)?

1. IFR Magazine had an excellent article about just this within the
last year.  Basically, the Center computer has a long, long list of
airport pairs (with secondary factors being altitude and airport type),
and hands you the clearance based on those.  If an airport doesn't
appear in the table as an arrival or destination, it uses nearby
airports.

Occassionally, they will actually give you the clearance you ask for,
or at least a variation of it.  While this usually happens when your
route spans two or more Centers, I've had it happen on flights as short
as Santa Rosa - Palo Alto (less than 75nm, all within Oakland Center /
Bay Approach).  Of course, it is unlikely that you'll actually FLY that
clearance if you enter an area with radar coverage, especially approach
radar, but you never know.

2-3. I have done this.  A clearance from Palo Alto to (I believe)
Mendocino or the like included a long overwater leg farther out than I
felt comfortable with.  I requested a new clearance from the tower, and
I got one ... 20 minutes later.  I just told them that I wanted a
revised clearance, why, and gave them a suggestion.  I did get what I
wanted, but not expeditiously.
--
-- Christophe

"Be calm.  Look cute."
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:54:08 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug18.133820.22661@news.cs.indiana.edu>, Catherine Rogers <rogers@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> In article <14152@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms) writes:
>>
>>I was wondering if anyone out there has seen a similar skin condition on their
>>horse as Bliss is now exhibiting. 
>>
>>Within the past three weeks, my 4.5 yo Appendix horse has developed what appears
>>to be some kind of a flaking skin condition.  The areas affected are on his neck
>>and down to his chest.  They are generally smallish patches (about 4-5 cm in 
>>diameter) and are characterized by a gray flaking on top of the coat.  There is
>>no evidence of irritation of the skin, as far as I can tell.  When I try and curry
>>it off (because I at first thought it to be something that he got into when turned
>>out, like spider webs or a fungus), the large flakes disappear, but more comes up
>>from under his coat. >
>>Jill Helms
>>jhelms@cephalo.bcm.tmc.edu 
> 
> This sounds very similar to  something my horse used to get,
> especially in summer i think.  I believe my trainer said it
> was a fungus, but i'm not positive.  He got it sometimes on his
> neck and something simlar on his stomach where the hair is more
> sparse, and there it would also scab up, presumably because the
> flies were biting there and irritating it more.  The treatment for
> both was very simple.  Keep petroleum jelly on the area until the
> condition goes away.  The petroleum jelly keeps the dry flaky skin
> supple so it won't crack and in addition keeps the flies off of it
> so they won't irritate it.  I don't know if that's a cure or not
> though.  You may be just treating the symptom, not letting it get
> worse until it goes away.  It worked for us at any rate.
> 

Amy's new horse has a bad case of this, all along the crest of his
neck, his tail bone, his chest and along his navel area.  We've been
soaking it in betadine and it's clearing up nicely.  I highly recommend
betadine, it works great on fungus.  I've always heard this called 
summer fungus.  A friend of mine also calls it mud fungus.   It can
be contageous from horse to horse so we are soaking the brushes in
bleach solution every time we use them on him.

> by the way,  i remember ear mites being a  big problem when the 
> ears were clipped for shows especially.  If you rub a small amount
> of baby oil on the inner surface of the ear (stay away from the ear
> canal though )  before turning out the horse they are not a problem.
> I don't know why this works (too slippery, tastes bad to bugs??)
> but it definitely does!!  Of course clean out the ears well with
> a soft cloth first.  This was a real problem for Kiowa (my horse)
> because the mites would make his ears bleed and he really hated it.
> 

I buy a roll-on type fly repellent,  I forget the name but it is especially
for horses.  Works great on ear flies and face flies.  I roll it in their
ears, around their eyes and muzzle.

Sue

> cathy rogers
> indiana university
> 
>
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: How big is small? and Arab show.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:32:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.194437.3584@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>I agree.  I had a lovely Arabian mare for sale a few years ago, nice big
>mare, 15.2, which is HUGE for an Arabian.  One stupid woman came to try
>her out, seems she rode with the local hunt club and was looking for an
>Arab since she prefers that breed.  But my mare was too SMALL, she wanted
>an Arab at least 16 hands (!).  Why?  Because the others in the hunt club
>made very disparaging remarks if you had a horse that was under 16 hands!
>
Well, 15.2 isn't huge for an Arab any more, since the "bigger is better" has
affected their breeding in recent years, but I agree size is over rated!  My
Arab mare, Daleilah, is 15.2, which was the biggest I would want -
large enough so I didn't feel silly, small enough that my 5'2" self
can mount easily.  What's the advantage of anything bigger?  Didn't a
15.3hh horse come in third in Olympic jumping?

I went to the N.H. All-Arab Horse Show last weekend, and saw an eyeful of
gorgeous horses!  (I plan to show, myself, next year.)  In halter classes,
height deffinitely did NOT make the winner, so sense prevails.

Since Arabs "do it all", the show has quite a mix of classes - western,
english, saddle-seat, halter, pleasure, park, driving, equitation, dressage,
etc., etc..  The only thing missing was jumping.   And, oh yes, there was
"Native Costume".  This was quite a kick!  Rider and horse are decked out in
rugs, capes, tassles, bells, fringe, and more frills than you can imagine, in
some *highly* imaginative renditions of dessert costume.  Horses enter at
a canter, and the class is mostly done at canter and hand-gallop.  The
winner is the one with the best costume combined with creating the best
picture of horse and rider flying across the dessert in harmony.
The most impressive part of this class is getting hot blooded Arabs to behave
with tassles bouncing on their faces and under their bellies!  (Not always
successful!)

My first lease horse, 14.2hh Daffy, ("too small" these days!), in his youth
took his owner to national level competition, and, she tells me, this included
quite a few wins in "Native Costume".  When I bought my own horse, one of the
selling points for her temperment was that her previous owner had decided
to use Daleilah in "Native Costume", a decision made during the show,
with Daleilah never having been dressed up like that in her life - and
Daleilah didn't freak out.  (Didn't win, but didn't freak out!)

Anyone within the range of southern New Hampshire should check out the
N. H. Arab show next year!  There's something for everyone.

Kathy Wilber
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tara@wam.umd.edu (Tara)
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
Keywords: leather saddles ve synthetic
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:47:52 GMT

hi all,
	The organization i'm involved with (Univ. of Md. Eques. Assoc.)
has had a couple of synthetic saddles in the past 5 years.  Granted we
don't have to teach someone tackcleaning, but not many people enjoyed using
them.  The major complaints were the stirrup "leathers", they were "too
uncomfortable".  People do stick well to these saddles, but the lack of 
movement in the saddle can also be a bit uncomfortable.
	Anyways, one the saddles was sold to a club member awhile ago.
The other one will probably be sold to another club member in a couple of weeks.


tara
 


             ,--, | University of Maryland Equestrian Association 
       _ ___/ /\| |
   ,;`( )__, )  ~ | Horses: Quaker, Bud, Playboy, Tommy, Casey, Darla
  //  //   '--;   | 	    Nehi, Classy, Dee, Vern
  '   \     |     | Others: Majic (another horse), Pepin (shep-husky),
tara@wam.umd.edu  |         Pajas (poodle), Parsifal and Penny (cats)
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:15:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>>>THEY DIDN'T HAVE HALTERS.  

      If all else fails, you can use a belt.  Don't use it like a choke
collar; slip it around the horse's neck and hold on to the ends in
one hand.   Or fasten it, but loosely, and don't hold the end; hold the
belt near the horse's neck, so that it won't tighten.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: stimey@sequent.com (Greg Peckham)
Subject: John Lyons symposiums
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: or
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:43:05 GMT

John Lyons will be holding a symposium in Boring, Or, Sept 18-23.  
He teaches how you can get *more* from your horse *without* using
any gimmicks, stressing both safety for you, and for your horse.
The program is as follows:
Friday, Sept 18..2 hour program, 7-9 pm
pre-registered person  $15.00

Sat/Sun, Sept 19 & 20...9 am-6pm...pre-registered adults..$60.00,
children under 15..$25.00 (for both days)
Walkins (not pre-registered) are $40.00 for adults, $25.00 for 
children under 15..*per day*

There will be a 3-day clinic held, Sept 21-23 for those enrolled in
the clinic.  It is filled, however, you *can* be an observer. Prices
for that are $25.00 per day *pre-registered*
Walkins are $35.00 per day.

For those interested, I have tickets for all three times, and can be 
reached at 1-344-0153, ask for Virginia.

Boring is located close to Portland, near Gresham,Or.  I can arrange
for a demo tape viewing, if desired.
Thank you, and I hope to see lots of you at the symposium!!!!
Goose...(on Stimey's account) 
-- 
     Greg Peckham  (stimey)        *******************************************
    Sequent Computer Systems Inc. *                                         *
   Beaverton, Oregon  97006      *       No cute .signature here.          *  
  Phone:  (503) 578-3022        *******************************************
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: mechanical hackamores (apology included)
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:33:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


In Article 8314 rogers@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Catherine Rogers) writes:

>well, i've been following this thread and ones like it for quite
>a while now, and i must admit i'm starting to be disappointed.

I apologize to you and everyone else on the net for allowing this
discussion become more strident than it ever needed to be.  It is a 
subject that I feel very strongly about, but I did not mean for it
to get out of hand.  This is a discussion thread that should have been 
taken underground (e-mail) a long time ago and that is what I will be 
attempting to do in the future (with those parts that are flame-like).
Again I am sorry.

				Tracy and everybody
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: hunt seat equitation
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:56:02 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <memo.577196@cix.compulink.co.uk>, alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman) writes:
> woit@qucis.queensu.ca (Denise Woit) writes:
>  
>> When I went to this lesson, the instructor said that my toes and
>> knees should point out, that I should always be gripping with the
>> lower leg, and that I should post from the lower leg, not knees.
>> (As you have probably guessed, I joined a lesson that was working
>> on the posting trot.)
> 
> The way I am being taught, here in England, is that the toes should
> point forwards, the leg should be relaxed (as much as possible), ie.
> you should not grip with any part of the leg, but the lower leg
> should be in contact with the horse slightly behind the girth. If
> you grip with the lower leg it becomes very difficult to apply the
> leg aids for different movements. Gripping with the knees can lead
> to you (the rider) becoming unbalanced as effectively you end up
> sitting on top of the saddle rather than in it and your lower leg
> has a greater tendency to come away from the sides of the horse
> (also picture what happens when you grip a wet bar of soap - it
> tries to fly out of your hand - much the same thing happens when you
> grip with your knees).
> 

This is also the way I was taught.  Gripping with the leg all the time
does cause you to be unbalanced and you are always cueing the horse with
the lower leg unnecessarily.  Since my gelding is trained very nicely to
respond to leg cs, I train the girls who ride him how to cue him for
a trot and the canter using their legs and sutile weight shifts in the 
saddle.  Of course, since he is also voice trained (yes, he's a real gem)
I can put him on a lunge line with a real novice and then TELL him to trot
and he will trot whether they cue him properly or not.  That way they
learn to ride the trot properly and I can work on correct cuing later.

Sue
> 
> Alan.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: synthetic saddles
Keywords: leather saddles ve synthetic
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:16:43 GMT


As an aside, I have always used conventional saddles for eventing and general pleasure riding but now I'm confined to just hacking about. I have heard that synthetic i.e. Wintec saddles are _low_ maintenance and _light_ whilst being tough.

Because I dont really have the time to clean my leather saddles, (being a  Navy officer and trying to ride Christy doesnt really go together)  
I was wondering how much more practical a Wintec or equivalent saddle would be.
Also am I going miss my Caprilli too much??????

Any ideas??????

Thanks 
Amanda MacKinnell and Christy




Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:27:17 GMT

The Drivers etc. thread when it turned to dogs attacking reminded me about
something that recently happened to me. I'd like to know if anyone has had
anything similar happen and if it's just an amusing incident or a real
problem.

Recently I was lunging my mare in a small circle preparing to mount up
when a dog wandered in her general vicinity. I know she had been watching
him for a while but she never broke stride or showed any real interest until
he got very near her (3-4'). The dog was not acting aggressive; just stupid
in wandering so close to a trotting horse. Anyway, when he got close, she
arched her neck, and lifted her front feet and struck out at him! I don't
think her back raised up more than an inch and she just moved on in her
circle right after that. The dog layed down, unhurt.

A couple of times after that I've noticed some extra interest from her
when dogs have been in the arena where we've ridden. To the point where
she has increased speed to catch up when they run along side and she keeps
glancing over at them. I have had her about over 3 years and I've never seen
her do anything like this before. Has always been dogs around. Has anyone
seen this kind of reaction in their horses?
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Anybody got a clue....
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:28:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug12.191009.16300@informix.com> davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
>One thought:  we had a horse at our barn (a school horse) who, after a
>bout with legitimate lameness, learned that lame == no work, so he
>started *faking* lameness!  He wasn't too terribly persistent in his
>acting, so if you spurred him a bit and the problem disappeared in a
>minute or two, you knew he wasn't really lame.  He was a clever fellow
>(his name was Dante, though he wasn't much of an inferno ;-).  Maybe
>your horse thinks he's found a "good thing" in limping?

Another thing to consider here is that a mildly navicular horse often
gets worse with a layoff (the inactivity compromises circulation).
It is possible that this school horse had a mild navicular problem
and that it only showed up after his time off.  Navicular horses often
will work out of their lameness within a few minutes!

Debbie
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kcumming@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (kcumming)
Subject: QH Congress program?
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:52:45 GMT

Have any of you QH folks received QH Congress programs yet?  They should
be coming out soon, I would think.  If anyone has one, I'm interested in
the dates and approx times that the following classes will be run:  open
and non-pro freestyle reining, farnam open reining futurity FINALS (not
the go-rounds), verstality (though this may have been cut this year).
Also what lectures/demos are being offered and when and who are giving
them.

Thanks,

Kitty Cummings
Kit-Mar Appaloosas
Ritter Hof German Shepherds

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: riding without a girth?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:42:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.170132.9093@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>In article <18AUG199211040106@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>,
>afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
>>but that's another long story).  During our efforts to help the horse
>>theere was a lesson going on in the arena and the student was riding the
>>horse (hunt seat) without a girth.  Is this a normal teaching practice?
>>
>
>Are you serious? Did she die or what? I am utterly amazed.
>
>-gwyn

I have heard that this is done on purpose to develop balance.  If you are
nicely balanced, and not doing any high torque moves, you should not be
pulling on the girth.  I know I was once riding for quite some time with
a broken girth strap without knowing it, and had no trouble, even though
the girth was hanging loose under the horse several inches away from his
belly.  The idea is no more extraordinary than riding bareback, I suppose! 

-Kathy Wilber
From: ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: used tack shops in NYC area
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:31:39 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Where specifically. I got a good used dressage saddle at Lightning G in Putnam.
There are saddleries in NJ. Even Kaufman's and Miller's sometimes have used tac
k?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: brandyt@microsoft.com (Brandy Thorp)
Subject: Re: Team Dressage Results
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:16:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


I live in Redmond WA, same as Todd Trewin.  I don't know Todd, but
have seem him interviewed on local TV and I know one of his
students.  My *guess* as to what really happened to him that he was
bitten by lack of experience and the heat.  Todd qualified for the
team way early and decided to come home and give Sandscript a rest.
A HOT summer day here is 80 degrees, 15% hummididy, maybe 4 times a
year it will be hotter than that, plus we are basically at sea level.

His student said that Todd treats Sandscript with the best of care
and lots of TLC.

I think that Sandscript got too much rest to be in condition for
that tough course in that heat and altitude.  He has not done lots
of international meets.

I'm not saying that he didn't mess up, just that from what I can
gather, he is not one of those competitors that doesn't care about
his horse.

..brandyt.
  (and Pajtas)