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From: mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Browns News - Nov 9th
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:49:07 EST

Browns News - Nov 9th
----------------------

WOW!!!! What a game. The Browns beat the Oilers 24-14, yesterday in the
Astrodome. It was the best Browns effort this season. The entire team
deserved game balls.

A few notes for now. I'll have more tomorrow. 

I was wrong with my prediction for the game. I'll take this kind of wrong 
every time. 

1. The defense forced the Oilers to run 3 plays and punt for most of the 
   first half. Granted I counted 4 dropped passes, but the defense
   stuffed the run and harassed Moon just enough. Moon had only 19 yards
   passing in the first half. That's unheard of...... Hats off....

2. The offense also did it's job. It was able to move the ball and keep
   command of the field position. This field position, plus Hansen's 
   punts forced the Oilers to start most of their drives from deep 
   in their territory. Tomczak had a very good game. His pass to Leroy
   Hoard was a thing of beauty. Plus the last drive, that took the time
   off the clock and locked up the game was tremendous. Hats off to the
   offensive line also.......

3. Special teams were superb. Hansen's punts kept the Oiler offense
   from getting any field position. Matt Stover came through also.
   Hats off......

4. The Oilers looked flat. Granted the Browns looked very good, but the
   Oilers were missing the spark. Warren Moon had tunnel vision. He 
   refused to look for a second or third receiver. This is the main reason
   he was replaced.

5. Warren Moon, last week made the statement, "I own the Browns.." This
   definitely was used as inspiration by the Browns.

6. On Friday, Frank Minnifield held a team meeting. He gave an impassioned
   and inspirational speech. His teammates said it was appropriate and
   appreciated. 

7. The Oilers are feeling the pressure. They were picked by some to be 
   in the Super Bowl. After the loss to the Steelers, last week, the
   finger pointing started. As I said before, the Oilers looked flat.

I'll have more tomorrow. I just had to tell someone my thoughts. 

Thanks for the support.
 
Later,

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Subject: Re: Prime Time's Predictions
From: saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:37:13 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

In article <bgk2001-111192160458@m248-108.bgsu.edu> bgk2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Brian G. Kendrick) writes:
>
>
>
>Upset Special-        New England at Indianapolis
>
>               -No way this team can go 0-16, their coach is just too
>                good.  They are overdue for a huge win, and Indianapolis
>                is vulnerable, especially without Emtman, in the Hoosier
>Dome.                        
>                Dick Macpherson deserves this win, the patriots will win   
>                outright!
>                         New England 16  Indy 14
   
 Isn't MacPherson out w/ some intestinal problem ??? Just wondering if he is
 back already. I agree w/ your pick though. If NE has to win even one this 
is their best chance w/ Emtman out and Jeff George not throwing that good.
But if NE is not under Dick MacPherson then it might be like the Indy-Jets
game ...


 Aji

-- 
  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
  |                                     | 			    |
From: v089mz34@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jack A Schuler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: San Fran-Atlanta Box Score
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Could someone please e-mail me the stats from the Monday night matchup between 
the 49ers and the Falcons?  I need many stats from that night for the fantasy
leagues that I'm in and I didn't pick up a paper yesterday.  Please send any
responces by e-mail.  Thank you.

	-Jack S.
	-in%"v089mz34@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu"
From: t_trunc@chips.bash.edu (Tursiops Truncatus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:09:29 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Chips Pathology, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.172532.8855@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:

>I was expecting this kind of a response--the tiebreaker does officially put
>Miami in first 

Of course you were, Immy!  Because you know its RIGHT!

>The Bills play the Fish on MNF.  

No, no, Immy!  It's the chips who will be playing the DOLPHINS on MNF.

>Bill in 1st...on to the SB!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, that's rich!!  Thanks for the laugh, Immy!  Best laugh 
I've had since Oct 4th!

TT
Tursiops Truncatus 
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays
Followup-To: s
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:10:40 GMT

In article <robc.5.0@wicat>, robc@wicat (Rob Carlson) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.182416.12332@nscf.org> david1@nscf.org (David Kintner) writes:
> >From: david1@nscf.org (David Kintner)
> >Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays
> >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:24:16 GMT
> 
> 	I have a vague memory of an Oklahoma/Nebraska game where a similar 
> play happened. One team was on the 3 yard line, the center laid the ball on 
> the ground instead of to the QB and a guard picked it up and walked into the 
> end zone.

I think you are referring to the infamous "fumblerooski" play that
Lou Holtz is trying hard to get banned.



-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: graeme@cs.uwa.edu.au (Graeme Reid)
Subject: Rule Query - Offsetting Penalties
Reply-To: graeme@cs.uwa.edu.au
Organization: Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:37:05 GMT

What are the exact rules concerning offsetting penalties ?  I know that
usually when both sides have a penalty they are offset and the down is
replayed, regardless of the yardages involved.

However, in the Steelers at Bills game on the weekend the Bills were called
for a false start, then the Steelers were called for a personal foul for a
late hit on Kelly (after the play had been whistled dead).  The false start
penalty (5 yards) was disregarded while the Steelers got hit for 15.

Normally I would have expected the penalties to offset.  Is there a special
rule that causes unsportsman-like conduct penalties to take precedence?


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From: heinz@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Martin Heinz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF-49ers... Fumble Return
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:30:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

bell@ecs.umass.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.213317.23657@cci632.cci.com>, jan@cci632.cci.com (John Nicowski) writes:
>> In article <1d695vINNkli@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov3.030232.4577@sequent.com>,
>>>bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke) writes:
>>>>OK you Fantasy Football Fans!
>>>>
>>>>How do you score the fumble return by Mike Sherrard. It was actually a strip
>>>>job, but it goes down as a fumble.
>>>>

................

>> 
>> I disagree, as did our league after a discussion (BTW - the outcome of
>> a game would hinge on the interpretation).
>> 
>> We decided that since the ball had been fumbled by the 49ers and recovered

.........

>> fantasy discussion at any rate.

>  By the same token, a change of possesion occurred when Sherrard stripped
>the ball.  By your logic Sherrard would now be effectively on the offense
>now and therefore the offense scored the TD.  Just trying to point out that
>possible flaws in your logic.
>  The best waay is to go with the NFL and say the offense scored the TD since
>Sherrard is on the offense.  I think since the outcome of the game depended on
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So what if in another game, Deion Sanders would have done that while playing
(once again) WR for the Falcons ?? He's on offense AND defense..???!!!



>the interpretation the discussion was tainted by this knowledge.  People would

.......

>		Shane L. Bell

......
>> 
>> John.
>> 
-- 
Martin Heinz
University of Texas at Austin
heinz@math.utexas.edu
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From: jaceb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who's Philly's QB?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:03:49 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

A few comments from a lifetime Dallas Cowboys fan who is darn proud of his team 
being back on top of the NFL:  I just have to say that I have been a cowboys
fan since I was 9 years old, and the Cowboys beat Denver in the Super Bowl.  I
have been patiently waiting for their return to glory since the 70's, and it
looks like they are finally going to do it.  With their youth, talent and
surprising discipline, I think that they can definitely be the team of the
90's.  I think that the biggest obstacle in their way would be unrestricted
free agency.  If that happened, football would end up like baseball.  Nothing
but a bunch of greedy, overpaid crybabies. (And I LOVE baseball, too.)

Just a comment about the Philadelphia quarterback situation.  I think that all
Dallas fans will remember the same kind of controversy between two guys named
White and Hogeboom that began the Cowboys descent.  You will also remember the
Giants downfall from their Superbowl season amidst a controversy between
Hostetler and Simms.  Its seems to me that a team needs to know who their
starting quarterback is going to be, so they have a leader that they know will
be there.  Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Eagles, and if they want to
self-destruct, its okay with me, but as a team, I think they need to decide on
a quarterback, and stick with him, through thick and thin.  I can't believe
that anybody would be willing to dump a great quarterback like Randall
Cunningham so quickly.  Kotite should look at history.
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:49:21 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu> you write:
>
>Hi,
>
>New thread. Cool!
>
>The Cowboys (in spite of all their great trades) picking Russell Maryland as
>the first choice overall in 1990.

You seem to think that Russell Maryland has been a bust, but I don't
think the jury is in on that count yet.  He sat out most of last season
learning the system.  The Cowboys had plenty (and still do) of defensive
tackle talent and didn't need him to move ahead too quickly.  At the middle
of last season he came on strong and had several sacks in a strong performance
in the DL.

At the beginning of this year he has been hampered with a foot injury which
requires him to wear a steel plate in his shoe.  He has lost a lot of mobility
and is trying to play.  He is still starting and getting significant minutes
with Lett, Jones, and Casillas on the roster.  No, he is no Cortez Kennedy
(yet), but he plays a very low profile position in the NFL.  He has several
years left to make his mark, and I think he has done a good job of it so
far as a team leader, motivator, and as a member of the #1 D in the NFL!

(sorry for the woofs...)

*ice*

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From: breum@lonestar.utsa.edu (Brent H. Reum)
Subject: Re: Bengals beat Bears.  was (Re: BROWNS SUCK HARD!!)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:10:33 GMT

In article <BxBwns.C0q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dan Whitesell). writes:
>In article <92310.231326RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>I'm a diehard Bengal fan, and damn proud to admit it.  I've got a problem
>       ^^^^^^^

( large amount of insignificant ramblings deleted. )

>>I think that the Bengals will turn their season around, starting by beating
>>the living shit out of the lowly Bears.  My pick is 45-3.

You write this with some conviction. I hope you write with as much zest when
you have to eat your words sunday night.

>The new simpler offense will alow inexperinced recivers to help.  Bengals can
>run.  Bears D is old.  Harbaugh is eratic passer and the only way to burn
>the Bengal D is the pass.  My pick Bengals 36-34 fair weather, or bad
>weather Bengals 13-10 edge Breach.  Also Harbaugh will have bad day sacked
>3 times.

Let's approach this one point at a time:

The simpler offense will also allow the "old" Bears D to get an upper hand.

The Bengals _must_ run to just survive since Mr. Boomer has gone boom.

Harbaugh is ineffective only when a team has a decent pass rush. This rules
out the Bungles. My prediction : Jim will be 22-30 2TD 0INT 225 YDS.

Final score ( mostly due to a pumped up Chi-town "old" D )
   Bears    17
   Bungles   3

>>Any other Bengal fans out there who share my views?  I could also accept
>>comments (I guess) from the residents of Mistake On The Lake, USA.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I believe the two groups mentioned above are mutually inclusive. heheh.


>>Ryan "Boomer" Kearns
>
>
>whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dan Whitesell)

>
( Nasty anti-Bear ( i.e. anti-American ) sig deleted )

CMON Bears fans.... After all it can't get much worse. heheh.

I take that back Just think about a life in Ohio. hehehe.

Laterz.



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From: mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier)
Subject: Re: Brennan, Munoz
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:33:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.173731.2696@meaddata.com> daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummo
nd) writes:
>The San Diego Chargers picked up wide receiver Brian Brennan, who was
>released by the Bengals.  They made room by putting someone on IR...
>don't remember who.
>
>Another Bengal note:  Anthony Munoz is ready to come off of IR and
>start practicing, but the coaching staff is reluctant to release
>anyone right now.  The offensive line is playing well, so cutting one
>of their young lineman may not fit with their long-range plans.  They're
>apparently going to postpone the decision as long as possible to see
>if someone gets injured and has to go on IR before they cut someone
>unnecessarily.


 The Bengals cut WR Richard Isiah (sp?) to allow Munoz to return.


  --Mike

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Subject: Re: Upcoming Draft
From: saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:44:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

In article <97179@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I thought I'd start a new thread:  here are some players I see going in the
>first round of the upsoming draft (provided there is a draft) and the teams
>that may take them:
>
>1- Drew Bledsoe (Wash St.) Tampa Bay needs a QB real bad! Wyche has shown a
>	great amount of interest in him.
>2- Garrison Hearst (Georgia) The Falcons need him, they should take him so
>	Monday's game doesn't happen next season.
>3- Lincoln Kennedy (U of Wash) Jets sure could use him on what I see as one of
>	their weakest points: the O line.
>4- Dimitrius Debose (Notre Dame) Oh please Oh please let the GIANTS get him!!
>5- Rick Mirer (Notre Dame) Can't see any other losing team needing a QB.
>	He'd certainly would be welcome on the Saints but Heberts doing 
>	well for himself.
>
>
>Anyone else think of others??
>

6- How about the  LB from Miami (Barrow (sp?) going to Seattle / Rams

7-  Does'nt NE need a QB too. Looks like they are having some problems 
 w/ their 3rd string QB starting this week. So maybe Gino Torretta.


>satish nair
>go giants
>


-- 
  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
  |                                     | 			    |
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills v. Dolphins - Billboard What?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov13.155721.14375@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes...
>In article <1992Nov12.174335.23312@pixel.kodak.com>, wieser@bissun.Kodak.Com (Jim Wieser) writes:
>> 
>> The listeners of a Rochester, NY radio station have purchased a billboard located on the Palmetto Freeway just outside of Joe Robbie Stadium. The billboard says "Squish the Fish. Dolphins are going down!" The people in Miami seem to be going nuts about
> 
>I dont see what constructive purpose this will serve.  I am sure this
>will just pump the city and the players up even more; something that
>Bills dont want to do.  If anything, they want the Dolphins players
>to be complacent and overconfident, but after this billboard forget it.

They already are overconfident.  If the Dolphin players need a billboard
to get them pumped up, then they must be hurting.  This is a Monday Night
game that will decide who most likely will win the AFC East.  I doubt that
the players need any other motivation.  The Dolphins should be more concern-
ed about the comments they (Clayton and Oliver) during the game in Buffalo.
Not to mention  the fact that the Bills were beaten badly.  I think the
Bills have more motivation for this game than do the Fish.  This coming
game starts the new losing streak for the dolphins with games against
Houston, S.F., L.A., and New Orleans.  The Bills have the Indy, Atlanta,
Jets, Denver.

Bruce, a BIlls fan.
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niner Playoff Picture (was re: Playoff picture after week 9 )
Date: 6 Nov 1992 03:57:49 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu
Keywords: playoff wildcard tie-breaker


In article <1378@netxcom.netx.com> jwc@netx.com (Jeffrey W. Comer) writes:

|NFC from top to bottom
|----------------------
|DAL     7  1   East leader
|SF      6  2   West leader
|NO      6  2   Wildcard #1
|MIN     6  2   Central leader
|WAS     5  3   Wildcard #2
|PHL     5  3   Wildcard #3
|CHI     4  4   Nipping at the heels; easy sked ahead
|NYG     4  4   Back in the hunt
|TB      3  5   Up and down and up and down and ...
|ATL     3  5   Sophomore jinx
|LAM     3  5   Tough division
|GB      3  5   Wildly uneven
|DET     2  6   Oh Barry, if only you had some blockers...
|PHX     2  6   Spoilers
|
|The Niners take the West over the Saints on a 1-0 head-to-head; similarly, 

I agree. Thank God!

The Niners have to beat out Chicago and the Giants, which will
apparently be easy, since Chicago has to play Houston, Dallas, the
Steelers, the Vikings, all teams they could loose to this year.
The Giants have to play Phil (twice), Dallas, Wash, and Kansas City,
all teams once again, they can loose to.

Once the niners get to the playoffs, their troubles *really* begin!
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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From: cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm)
Subject: Re: Randall benched for WEEK TEN
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:58:32 GMT

Hello I've never posted before so I hope this works,

This is a question along with an agreement of Joe Dakes' conclusions.

1. Did I watch a hullucination last Sunday or was Jim McMahon's best
   play really that 30 yd wounded duck/hail mary that Calvin Williams
   just managed to outjump the DB for?

2. What has Rich Kotite done for this team? I guess I should clarify
   that, I mean what has he done that can remotely be considered a
   good move. I personally miss Buddyball even if the Eagles never
   won a playoff game.

3. Sorry I meant two questions.

Yes an eagles fan in Canada, yes we all look like eskimos and live in
Igloos for you Yanks!   

Peace,
From: bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF-49ers... Fumble Return
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:57:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: neocad.1992Nov5.225714.5651
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.

In article <1d695vINNkli@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov3.030232.4577@sequent.com>,
>>bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke) writes:
>>>OK you Fantasy Football Fans!
>>>
>>>How do you score the fumble return by Mike Sherrard. It was actually a strip
>>>job, but it goes down as a fumble.
>>>
>>>Was this the defense that scored or was it the offense?
>>>
>>>You make the call.
>>Offense, definitely.  Possession isn't signalled until after the ref
>>blows the whistle.
>>
>>Mike

>I disagree, as did our league after a discussion (BTW - the outcome of
>a game would hinge on the interpretation).

>We decided that since the ball had been fumbled by the 49ers and recovered
>by a Phoenix player, a change of possession had occurred, meaning that
>Sherrard was effectively a defender at the time (his team not in possession
>of the football), and the score was awarded to the SF defense.  Had the
>ball been retreived by Sherrard directly after the fumble, with no
>Phoenix player taking possession of it, it would have been a rushing TD for
>Sherrard, being a continuous offensive effort.  An interesting play for 
>fantasy discussion at any rate.

>Whatever.

>John.

I agree will John, both leagues that I play in counted it as a TD for the
defence. Also the NFL did not credit Sherrard with any rushing yards on that
play, the yardage was return yards. 

Bill B.
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