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 Word up,

 Has anyone out there got any info on 'Snoop Doggy Dogg'?, i saw him on
 the Deep Cover video with Dre, hype style and dope lyrics.

 P.S to all those whose helped with info on House of Pain & Epmd.....i've
 now got 'em both and they SLAM!


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 Run, Run, Run, your time is done son, move out for the well hung young one
 - Mixalot

 I'm back in effect hows that, i'm not Teddy Riley but i'm swinging like a
 newjack - EPMD

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From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Subject: DAS EFX, House of Pain
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.
Distribution: alt.rap
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:04:39 GMT

I called a friend in a long distance call from Kyoto to
N.Y. and among other things I told her that I bought
CD's of A Tribe called Quest, Ultramagnetics and Spice 1
after reading a Newsgroup thing on a computer. 
 She told me that from now on I better listen to her 
and to go to the record shop to buy records of Arrester
(spelling?), DAS EFX and House of Pain. 
 She works for the state radio of a small European republic
(whose name temporarily eludes me) and I reckon she rather
knows whats going on. Still I would like to know if anybody
could comment on the (supposingly recent) CD's of Arrester,
DAS EFX or House of Pain and if it is worth spending any
money on them.

 Ansgar


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From: ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3)
Subject: Cypress Hill and Blacksheep
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:53:37 GMT


Does anybody know when these guys are playing?
Supposedly it's called Summer Jam '92.

Thanx

CK3
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From: james@mte.ncsu.edu (robert james)
Subject: Re: Ice Cube: the 'n' word
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:12:20 GMT

In article <EeYw9Te00awS43Wkkl@andrew.cmu.edu> ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Scott
Jefferson) writes:
>>I saw Ice Cube at Lollapalooza yesterday in Raleigh, and I noticed that in
his
>>songs he replaced the word 'nigga' in almost every instance with other words
>>like 'person' or 'brother'.  Did he do this at other shows?  Does this
>>represent a decision on Cube's to avoid using 'nigga'?  I know he (as well as
>>others) has been criticized by Chuck D and others for such casual use of the
>>word.  Does this have anything to do with his recent conversion to the
Islamic
>>faith?
>
>Are you sure you saw the same person as I did? When I saw him at Lake
>Fairfax Park in Virginia last Friday he was saying "nigga" and
>motherfuck and every other word all over the place. He left nothing out
>of any of his songs (except in Gangsta Gangsta he changed all references
>to Dr. Dre and Eazy E and M.C. Ren to members of the Lench Mob). He even
>invited the crowd to rap some parts along with him leaving in all the
>cursing and racial slurs.
>

The mix was shitty, but I could tell that he changed the words in 'Givin up the
Nappy Dugout' and 'Summer Vacation', but he left it alone in 'The Wrong Nigga
to Fuck With'.  Of course the 'Motherfuckers' were flowing heavy.  Maybe it's a
North Carolina thing.  I dunno.

-Rob
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Subject: CL& PR (was Re: KMEL Summerjam) 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.020745.10290@tandem.com> Michael Chop writes:
>
>Wassup!
>
>	This Sunday I attended the KMEL summerjam concert showcasing some of the big acts in R & B and hip hop.  
>	The highlight for me was an incident that happen when Pete Rock & CL Smooth were on stage.  As you know, groups like Pete/CL & Gangstarr don't like to use DAT tapes for performances.  They prefer to spin wax!
>	Anyway, they opened the the show with "Return of the Mecca" and THE RECORD SKIPPED!  Pete tried to get them back on track but the moment seemed to be lost.
>  	Then CL screamed "F$%@ it!  We don't need no music!" and then he broke into this TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT accapella freestyle which brought the place up.  I think the real test of who is really TRUE in the business comes when they have to improvise.  CL Smooth's actions were the actions of a pro!
>

Yo! Is there any word on where Pete and CL are going to be in the upcoming 
months?  I'm at Indiana U., and if those guys show up within a four-hour-drive
radius of me, I want to know about it.  Those guys are tight like Quayle's
necktie.

>I'm Peace out
>Grim, the Wicked One
>	down w/ Chopper, the Funke` Chinaman!


-- 
- David J. --------- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS.  Bloomington, IN; Durham, NC. -
- e-mail: dwarner@miami.ucs.indiana.edu -------------------------------------
***************** "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE" ********************
***************** BRP's debut 12" single -- coming soon  ********************
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: PE/U2 Together? Tour Dates?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:19:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

   I just heard from a friend that PE will do some dates with U2.
Now while this may seem like a strange combonation just check out
U2's Achtung Baby. It is a weird mixture of noise, street wise
lyrics and pretty deep thought. That is how some folks would
describe PE.

Maybe it isn't so strange that they should tour together.

Now the big question where the hell will the shows be?
I live near Salt Lake City, UT. Will they be playing a show
in Salt Lake. Ok, probably not but anywhere close.

Please give me dates and cities. I want to see that show!

Peace, but not without justice,

Zip
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:34:54 -0400 
From: Indira Nair <in0a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ice Cube, the "n" word

I saw Lollapalooza in Pittsburgh on August 17 and he said "nigga" almost
as much as "motherfucking."  He hasn't backed down.

-sarita
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Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:04:49 -0400 
From: Chad Mboya-Joe Darby <cd1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: $horty the Pimp

Yep,

This album is vintage Too $hort.  The tracks are PHAT.  It's been in major
rotation in my CD player for the past 4 weeks, along side PR & CL.

Trax that stand out:

	o  I Want To Be Free
	o  Step Daddy
	o  Something to Ride To (featuring Ant Banks, Pooh-Man, Mhsani
	o  Dangerous Thanx

Some others on there REALLY slam but I can't think of the titles.  I don't
think there are any throw away tracks on this album.

A MUST buy for TRUE Too $hort fans.


/// Chad Darby		         /
//  Field Robotics Center       //
/   Carnegie Mellon University ///

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From: ross@refine.enet.dec.com (The Vinyl Record Collector)
Subject: Is It 'Nastee' Or *Nasty*?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:39:46 GMT


Did anyone take the plunge and purchase the latest Kwame album, entitled,
"Nastee"?  I ask because I read a review on it in The Source a few issues back
and saw it received 3 records (out of 5) and the reviewer said it really wasn't
that bad.  Of course, my boy decided to purchase the single, 'Nastee,' and said
it was just that... NASTY!  A complete waste of duckets.  Any other comments on
this, Kwame's third effort?

                                               T-Dub
                                               SHYGUY productions

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From: d06448@tanus.oz.au (Argyrios Karavis)
Subject: De La Soul remix
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 14:50:08 GMT

Wazza da story with this guys??? Who did thr remixes??? What songs are on the
damn thing???

Send personal email

Rosss Karavis

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Xref: sparky alt.rap:4168 soc.culture.african.american:8969 talk.origins:9888
From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap,soc.culture.african.american,talk.origins
Subject: Re: White skin-how did it develope?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:39:20 GMT
Organization: Kamchatka Charlie

In article <1992Aug21.055840.7859@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>Kamchatka Charlie writes:
>>KAMCHATKA CHARLIE          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
> ^^^^^^^^^
>Hey, is this the country you play in risk (:-)>

Actually, I did get it off Risk.  Originally used it to identify my system
disks, and used one of the system disks for the newsreading program.  The name
literally came up with itself.

Kamchatka Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.funky
From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 06:22:05 GMT

ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Scott Jefferson) writes:

(I wrote:)
>>Besides, the true secret to the success of Metallica and Megadeth is the
>>fact that they're from that Mecca of the rock world, San Francisco. That
>>they happen to be white is pure coincidence.

I can't believe that this little joke of mine actually brought
about a one paragraph diatribe from our friend at CMU.  Sheesh!

>kids. Bodycount though unfortunately is only a second-rate thrash band.
>Their members obviously did put practice guitar too much while growing
>up. Maybe they'll get better though. If good guitar playing as Mark
>McKinzie alleges is not what Bodycount is about then they are a truly
>stupid band since if you do not want to make good music you should not
>be playing in a band in the first place for that is what metal is all
>about, music first lyrics second (which is why I got away from rap. I
>had been listening to it since 1979 but it just does not have the power
>of metal since the music is very simple and basic while the lyrics come
>first). A lot of people (people who know absolutely nothing about metal
>mostly since metal fans judging by their writings on bboards and to
>magazines seem unimpressed with Bodycount so far) just seem to like
>Bodycount for their lyrics unfortunately and not their music which is
>far more important.

Glossary:  good music  =  ripping guitar solos
            bad music  =  shitty guitar solos, or none at all (*gasp*)

Oh well -- at least this youngster spelled my name right.


-- 
Mark McKinzie          	|    We just won't eat on Sunday
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu 	|    Got to buy him a limousine
UW Dept. of Mathematics	|    Somewhere to live, somewhere to pray. 
Madison, WI 53706      	|               -RJD, "TV Crimes"-
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ross@refine.enet.dec.com (The Vinyl Record Collector)
Subject: Re: (Not So) Quick Release News/Updates
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:58:05 GMT


In article <mjohnson.14xo@terapin.com>, mjohnson@terapin.com (Mike Johnson) writes...
>>- Finally, there is supposed to be a dope underground record out in the bay
>>area called, 'Ward Of The State,' by Askari X on Righteous Records. 
>>Unfortunately, he is in jail for bank robbery.  Anyone hear this record? 
>>What's your opinion on it?
>>
>>
>Ive had this for about 2 months now...its DOPE!!!! the title cutt wardof the
>state and Giantsvs. Giants are the only ones i listen toprimarily....anyone
>lookin for millittant pe types of rap with a streetflavor should check this
>out....
>PEACE
> 

So, what part of the country (if in the States) are you from, the bay area? 
from the way you describe it, it sounds like this is a full album.  Is it? 
And, what label is it on?  I would love to find it on wax, but if it is a bay
area record on a indie/local label, I am going to be pretty hard pressed to
find it.  Can anyone help me locate this record?

                                                T-Dub
                                                SHYGUY productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ross@refine.enet.dec.com (The Vinyl Record Collector)
Subject: Re: BDP & Booty Beats
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:32:26 GMT


In article <QeWwAvq00WB20e5Fs7@andrew.cmu.edu>, Chad Mboya-Joe Darby <cd1l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>Like someone said earlier, BDP needs a DJ/Producer.  After BDP's second
>album, the beats were all pathetic.  KRS-1's lyrics were there but
>the beats didn't have that TRUE street sound.  I would be ashamed to
>pump his recent music (excluding the LIVE CD).
> 
>I wish BDP would return w/ a "Dope Beat" from the Criminal Minded era.
> 
> 
> 
>/// Chad Darby		         /
>//  Field Robotics Center       //
>/   Carnegie Mellon University ///
> 

I don't know about pathetic, but the beats on BDP albums following, "By All
Means Neccessary," were definately not as good as earlier stuff.  I do like the
beats on the, "Sex & Violence," album though and think it is BDP's best album
since, "By All Means Necessary," including KRS' lyrical flow.  It was nice to
see KRS get some outside production help.  I thought DJ Doc worked as the BDP
DJ; I don't know why they parted.  It would be dope to see them come out with a
good DJ with Scratch like skills.  That would make BDP that much better and not
put such a strain on the beats.  At least the group is back down to managable
size with 3 official members (though ICU seems to still be around).  I don't
think Melodie, Harmony, etc. helped at all when it came to making a *good*
street album.  KRS himself may still possess beat making skills.  From what I
understand, he basically did, "By All Means...," himself (though D-Nice was
supposedly in the mixing room too), and I still think those beats are classic. 
I liked some of the, "Criminal Minded," beats better, but most of that was Ced
Gee from Ultra that hooked those beats, so it really don't count.  I would like
to see Ced Gee do some BDP production, but it also seems that he is still on
that, 're-use my old beats to the fullest,' tip too, so maybe not.  Kenny
Parker did a good job on the, 'Build & Destroy,' beat...

                                                T-Dub
                                                SHYGUY productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ab010@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Korhely)
Subject: Re: Rap-A-Lot
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:15:14 GMT


Cube, Scarface and Bushwick got a song on Kool G Rap's new one.
(whenever it comes out)
-- 
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From: trammell@engin.umich.edu (James Trammell)
Subject: When the road (ground?) is covered with snow
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:59:56 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan
Followup-To: sender
Originator: trammell@atreyu.engin.umich.edu


Who does this song?

-JT
From: mjohnson@terapin.com (Mike Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: (Not So) Quick Release News/Updates
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:46:53 PST
Organization: BBS

>- Finally, there is supposed to be a dope underground record out in the bay
>area called, 'Ward Of The State,' by Askari X on Righteous Records. 
>Unfortunately, he is in jail for bank robbery.  Anyone hear this record? 
>What's your opinion on it?
>
>                                              T-Dub
>                                              SHYGUY productions
>
Ive had this for about 2 months now...its DOPE!!!! the title cutt wardof the
state and Giantsvs. Giants are the only ones i listen toprimarily....anyone
lookin for millittant pe types of rap with a streetflavor should check this
out....
PEACE

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: mjs@behemoth.genetics.wisc.edu (Mike Schmelzer)
Subject: Lyrics: Sir Charles' Nike ad
Organization: UW Genetix
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:26:54 GMT

Hi all. I missed the controversy/discussion about
the Chuck D and Sir Charles Nike ad.
I don't see any problem with it myself: It's not
like it's malt liquor or cigarettes. Plus also too,
Spike cut his teeth doin' Nike ads, so whydafuck not Chuck?
Finally, that is just one funky ad. Vegas art deco
musical wit' Sir Charles mouthin' Chuck D... Damn!
Everybody's happy and everybody's *paid*. Case closed.

Anyway, the real reason I posted was the lyrix.
Would anybody like to help??


Charles/Chuck:
Throwin 'bows to the jaws to the nose.
Back paid Jack, but the ref give me tax.
I'm openin groooves [that's right, 3 o's] in my black Nike shoes.
No cause for a alarm when I'm thumpin' on.

Chorus:
No cause for alarm when Charles starts boppin'
Sir Charles don't mean no harm.
What was that guy's name again, droppin?

Charles/Chuck:
Fans they boo me
I spit and they sue me
I don't understand why they do this to me.
The league they fine
I get my rent check
eggs and steak even turkey off my plate.

[ I'm doing this from memory and can't remember the middle. HELP!]

Chorus:
...championship ring!

Charles/Chuck:
It's what I want more than anything sing!

Thumping dunkin a bomb dunkin
Donut dunkin and charm school flunkin

My wallet says it pays to be mean
Excuse me but don't I have the cutest smile you ever seen?

--
Mike Schmelzer,  mjs@genetics.wisc.edu, (608)262-4550
"By the time I'm through in Phoenix, they'll have a Martin Luther King day."
- Charles Barkley
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From: ab010@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Korhely)
Subject: Re: MC REN
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:11:08 GMT


I read in The Source that NWA is goin all solo, and not
to expect anything from the group...

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Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:29:15 -0400 
From: Chad Mboya-Joe Darby <cd1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BDP & Booty Beats

Like someone said earlier, BDP needs a DJ/Producer.  After BDP's second
album, the beats were all pathetic.  KRS-1's lyrics were there but
the beats didn't have that TRUE street sound.  I would be ashamed to
pump his recent music (excluding the LIVE CD).

I wish BDP would return w/ a "Dope Beat" from the Criminal Minded era.



/// Chad Darby		         /
//  Field Robotics Center       //
/   Carnegie Mellon University ///
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Pollution special
Date: 18 Aug 1992 20:57:26 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Aug13.190631.995@i88.isc.com> somebody writes:
>How so?  How cold is the bottom of Lake Michigan?  Yes I know
>Superior has a 900 ft hole in the center, and it will be cold.

   I was at about 100 feet in Lake Superior (bottom was only 10-20
feet lower) one August, and survey of thermometers indicated a 
temperature around 37 degrees F.  I imagine you don't have to go
very deep in either lake to find cold water.
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Subject: Re: Pronunciation
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:07:06 GMT


I'd say it depends on where you're from.  I'm from Ann Arbor (Go Blue!) 
and we always pronounced it "hoe-ton".

Out here, though, I have to contend with names like Puyallup, Sequim, 
Geoducks, Mukilteo, and more... gives your tongue excercise!

Susan
susan@noaapmel.gov
From: z8tah@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov (Theresa A. Held)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Pollution special
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:30:31 GMT
Reply-To: z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS


How depressing....   I grew up in Wisconsin, four blocks from lake Michigan.

I wasn't aware how bad the pollution was.  I remember the beaches being closed
because the bacteria count was too high.  I was to young to comprehend the
significance of the toxin problems.

I listened to the part about the cleanup and the birth defects and wondered 
if there were any real/possible options for cleanup of the toxins. 

Anyone have any  more complete and up-to-date info on the cleanup issues.
Even though I don't live there now I would like to get involved.

Thanks 
Theresa
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: Pollution special
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:57:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: usa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <19AUG199215522415@jane.uh.edu>, chem64@jane.uh.edu (Boyd, Kevin) writes...
>In article <1992Aug17.152532.8967@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes...
>>In article <Bt3CHn.84M@chinet.chi.il.us> prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts) writes:
>>>Also, somebody pointed out above that one important feature of PCBs is
>>>the fat-solubility: that they tend to concentrate in the fatty parts of
>>>the fish. From one angle (the human consumption point of view), that's
>>>not a bug, that;s a feature - it means that the danger of eating the
>>>fish can be greatly reduced by cutting away the fat.
>>>
>> 
>>However, keep in mind what most of the populace forgets:  You have
>>to cut away the fat _before_ cooking.  (For those who care, the
>>same applies to poultry...)
>This is actually not true (the poultry). There was a big study published last
>year about this. The fat doesn't penetrate into the flesh, even when cooked.
>So for poultry anyway, the only thing you get by removing the skin before
>cooking is dry poultry.
> 
>  An uncle who fishes daily in Lake Michigan
>>tells me that lake trout should have the fatty underbelly cut away;
>>for the amount of fish he eats, the only way he'll touch lake trout
>>anymore is barbequed over a slow fire, to render as much fat out as
>>possible.
>> 
>>-- 
>>Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
>>jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
>>	So just where did George Bush get the idea that he gets to
>>			decide policy for the U.N.?
> 
>Sorry for the lousy editing. I'm on a god-awful long hookup to get here, and
>nothing works right.
> 
>Kevin
> 
======================================================================
Hello all,
  Actually I guess I am probably sunk like the Titanic. Up until 1981,
before I moved to New Mexico, I lived my first 33 years in Freeland.
Freeland BTW is seven miles down the Tittabawassee river from the main
Dow Chemical/Dow Corning plants in the United States. I found out that
the river finally froze over, below the plants, about five years ago.
				 Jim - The walking pcb repository,
======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
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From: bonnie@vex.ugcs.caltech.edu (Bonnie Wallace)
Subject: Re: Pronunciation
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:51:38 GMT

budnick@cc.utah.edu writes:

>In article <scott.714492385@phylo>, scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard) writes:

>> Geogebic? Or whatever, how the heck do you pronounce it?
>I believe it is pronounced 
>go-ge-bic, with hard g's

with the accent on the second syllable.


bonnie@cco.caltech.edu