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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Macedonia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:53:00 GMT

<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:

>In Chicago, we do have a Macedonian community. They have
>Macedonian radio, newspapers, a Church, and little stickers for their
>cars that say MA. The Macedonians have a Flag. The Flag is red and has
>a Lion(?) in it. The Macedonians also have a Language, Alphabet, and Literature
>all of which are Macedonian.

 Look pal, first get to know what your flag is, and then draw your
 conclusions.  

>-Cro

 Panos Tamamidis

 P.S.: We also have a Macedonian church in Champaign-Urbana.  In case
       you are curious, it doesn't have to do anything with Macedonia.
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From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Kanun-i-Rayah
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:36:26 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov22.153403.17696@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>
>"When Turkey was an Islamic country it was a world power.  Now 
>it is a third rate country." 
>
>-Alija Izetbegovic, "Islamic Declaration"
>
>
>"...and we will now again who is rayah..."
		 ~~~~
It should be know instead of now.

>
>- VUS ( Wednesday Herald, Bosnian paper, editors are  members of 
>inner circle SDA ), some two years ago.

Regards,

Milan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:27:41 -0500 
From: Michael Preston Kuhns <mk59+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lies Win The Balkan War of Words

Although I ten to agree that propaganda in the war has reached mammoth
proportions, perhaps we should remind ourselves of what is truly
occurring in the Balkans and not forget the lessons past genocidal wars
have taught us.
 MKuhns
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Serbian-American Online Information Exchange
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:20:09 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Andre Popov (chetnik@infopls.chi.il.us) writes:
>             If you're interested in learning the TRUTH behind
>             the lies in the former-Yugoslavia then this system
>             is for you.

Truth? In another announcement the word unbiased was used?
Unbiased?

Hell, this is the same biased propaganda which the readers of
this group has been shoved down their throats since its creation.
It has nothing to with truth, just boring propaganda, that no
one cares to read. Particularly not when preceded by a screen-
ful of meaningless ASCII graphics.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: Gusla Music, and Yugoslavian Epic song.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:01:21 GMT



I'm seeking information and recordings about Yugoslavian Gusla music.
Does anyone know where I can find recordings of this in the United States?
Also where can I find any readings on the subject?

Are there any societies that preserve this tradition in the Western
Hemisphere?
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Enough blame for all in former Yugoslavia
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:16:59 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Andre Popov (chetnik@infopls.chi.il.us) writes:
>   The Communist Tito regime redrew the internal borders of Yugoslavia in
>1945 for political purposes. To reduce the status of Serbia, Tito put
>large stretches of mainly Serb-populated territory outside the new
>Serbia.

Strangely, with the exception of Macedonia, these areas had always
been outside Serbia with some rare exceptions. On the other hand,
the new Serbia included a brand-new part of Serbia, namely Vojvodina.

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Eastern Dawn for monarchy?
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:22:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov17.212250.17553
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <Bxvq21.Aww@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> 
cla04@keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>An article in today's Guardian lists the top five pretenders in the
>world as follows:-
>
>The Grand Duchess Maria of Russia
>
>King Michael of Rumania
>
>King Alexander of Yugoslavia
>
>King Simeon of Bulgaria
>
>King Leka of Albania
>
>
>This was the order they were presented in. Any one like to arrange them
>in order of probably come-backs? All five interestingly are from Eastern
>Europe.

King Tut trumps the lot.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:21:00 CET
From: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Reply-To: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Brodsky-NYTimes
Organization: Zamir = for peace, Zagreb
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!! This message was originally made on 19.11.92 !!
!! Origin         : /CRO/NEWS                       !!
!! Writer(m/f)    : \B\O\S\N\E\T%MATH.LSA.UMICH.EDU@APC.ZER                        !!
!! Greetings from Za-mir-Greb, love        Wam   !!
!!-----------------------------------------------!!


Message-Id: <9211192327.AA08815@supernova.math.lsa.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:27:01 EST
Organization: BOSNET (Bosnian Electronic Network)
Reply-To: Iztok.Hozo@MATH.LSA.UMICH.EDU
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Contribution by: stela
 
 
         THE NEW YORK TIMES - NOV.18.1992
            OP-ED
 
          BOSNIA TUNE   -   By Jozeph Brodsky
 
     As you pour yourself a scotch,
     crush a roach, or check your watch,
     as your hand adjusts your tie,
     people die.
 
     In the towns with funny names,
     hit by bullets, caught in flames,
     by and large not knowing why,
     people die.
 
     In small places you don't know
     of, yet big for having no
     chance to scream or say good-bye,
     people die.
 
     People die as you elect
     new apostles of neglect,
     self-restraint, etc.-whereby
     people die.
 
     Too far off to practice love
     for thy neighbor/brother Slav,
     where your cherubs dread to fly,
     people die.
 
     While the statues disagree,
     Cain's version, history
     for its fuel tends to buy
     those who die.
 
     As you watch the athletes score,
     check your latest statement, or
     sing your child a lullaby,
     people die.
 
     Time, whose sharp blood-thirsty quill
     parts the killed from those who kill,
     will pronounce the latter tribe
     as your type.
 
---------------------------------------------
Joseph Brodsky , the poet , won the Nobel Prize
for Literature in 1987.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: "Frank S. Folwell" <pl0127@psilink.com>
Subject: The New Yorker magazine, 11/23/92
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:33:10 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

You may find interesting an article in this week's (November 23, 1992) 
NEW YORKER magazine.  Letter From Bosnia: ORIGINAL VIRTUE, ORIGINAL SIN 
by David Rieff.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:38:00 CET
From: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Reply-To: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Translation in Croatian Bronski song
Organization: Zamir = for peace, Zagreb
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Bosanska Melodija

Joseph Bronksky

Dok navijate sat, dok cugu
ljustite ili pusite plugu
dok namjestate kravatu gle -
raja mre.

U gradovima sto smijesno ime
imaju sto se ruse i dime
i ne znajuci sto ih to tre -
raja mre.

U varosicama za koje
i ne znate, velikim stog sto je
tu tesko i kriknut i zbogom rec',sve -
raja mre.

Raja mre dok vi apostole
birate nove, iste skole
bezdusne, itd. - dotle, gle -
raja mre.

Daleko tamo gdje ljubav vene
za bracu/susjede Slavene
gdje andeli vasi ne lete, zar ne -
raja mre.

Dok odluka se se odlukom glozi
Kainov zakon - povijest lozi
u peci ugalj od raje te
koja mre.

Dok promatrate klub svoj mili
provjeravata racune, ili
uspavlujujete dijete u sne -
raja mre.

Vrijeme sto rukom krovozednom
krvnike dijeli od zrtvi, jednom
za one prve na sav ce glas
proglasiti vas

Published in English in new York Times
Translation Luko Paljetak
Published in Slobodna Dalmacija 21 Nov. 1992
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Love from ZA-mir-GREB       tel/fax: +38-(0)41-439928
Wam                         email: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Grebenscica 16
41000 Zagreb                Croatia
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:21:08 GMT

wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser) writes:

>Surprising what one gets when words are taken out of context

>Victor
(whose mother had a well-developed sense of irony)
From: zorro@cats.ucsc.edu (Dragan M Zivkovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:14:01 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: mingong-ws-2.ucsc.edu


cro, claiming the deeds and deaths of the thousands of partizans
for your vile purposes is unjustifiable.
the croats among them would have been your worst enemy.

i think it's high time you sat down with yourself and decided exactly
whose side you are on then and now, and WHY.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:18:00 CET
From: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de (Wam Kat)
Reply-To: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Newspaper for Bosnian Children
Organization: Zamir = for peace, Zagreb
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Magazin for Bosnian Children
------------------------------------------

The problem
-----------------

The war in former Yugoslavia has driven a lot of people away from their 
homes, the number of refugees and displaced people (further on only called 
refugees) is far over 2 million. Most of this people are scattered around in 
refugee centres and private houses in Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and the rest of 
Europe (and even the world). Roughly 60% of this refugees are children, from 
which roughly 60% again is younger than 10 years. Most of this children have 
nearly nothing to do the whole day, only in a few cases activities are set up 
form them, and even in a smaller amount of cases some kind of education is 
organisaed for them.

The Idea
------------

The idea is simple, a few journalist, teachers and radio workers (some 
involved for many years in radio making for children) have found eachother in 
different refugee centers around Croatia. They would like to make a magazine 
for and from children from Bosnia. They want to travel around the country and 
collect articles and stories and under material made by children (in thier own 
home languages) and make from that material, plus some articles, written by 
people who have experience in education (a short remote school), a monthly 
magazine what is spread around the different refugee camps in the world 
where children from Bosnia are at the moment.

The costs
-------------

The make one issue the cost will be around 2000 DEM for the production 
(travel and lay-out costs) and about 4000 DEM for printing at least 10.000 
copies of 4 pages A2 (which is 16 sides A3 (double A4)). The costs for 
distrubution within Croatian is about 1000 DEM extra, abroad is unknown yet, 
but that will be at least 2000 DEM more.

Who would be able to help
------------------------------------

All the work could be done by refugees, printing work will be taken care of by a 
printing house in Croatia, we only are looking for groups which can donate 
funds to produce the first number, since we hope that with this first number it 
will be easier to get funding from bigger organisations like UNHCR, UNESCO 
and UNICEF (people with contact there are also asked to reply).
From: lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Recipe for Turkey?
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:13:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1475300385:000:226
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Nov 15 16:13:00 1992


How do you cook turkey?  Thanksgiving is coming up and my
Greek-American wife is mystified as to how to proceed.

Any suggestions?  I once saw an Armenian recipe with Kurds.

Mutlu, do you have any suggestions?

Joel and Lynn
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 09:21:46 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Macedonia

I can't stand idly by and watch the Macedonians get attacked and not
say anything. I think the Greek argument IS NOT VALID!!!! If we look on
our map of Europe, we see that a southern province is called Luxembourg.
Uh oh. I'm REALLY sure that those imperialist Luxembourgers would want to
create Greater Luxembourg. Or why doesn't the U.S. force the country of
Georgia to change its name? After all, there IS a state called Georgia.
Let it rest. In Chicago, we do have a Macedonian community. They have
Macedonian radio, newspapers, a Church, and little stickers for their
cars that say MA. The Macedonians have a Flag. The Flag is red and has
a Lion(?) in it. The Macedonians also have a Language, Alphabet, and Literature
all of which are Macedonian.
Quite frankly I am shocked at the Greeks. I meam REALLY Greece has over 10
million people. The Republic of Macedonia has a little over 2 million.
The Macedonians couldn't remotely even have the army power to take over
northern Greece.

-Cro
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Turkey?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:13:08 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1475300385@igc.apc.org> Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>How do you cook turkey?  Thanksgiving is coming up and my
>Greek-American wife is mystified as to how to proceed.
>
>Any suggestions?  I once saw an Armenian recipe with Kurds.
>
>Mutlu, do you have any suggestions?
>
>Joel and Lynn
>


First remove foot from mouth as it makes moving about the kitchen rather
difficult... 

Deniz  Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu



Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: xyz@ualberta.ca 
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:39:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.120703.2869@latcs1.lat.oz.au>  writes:
> zzzIn article <Bxwo9x.BzA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
(Rasputin) writes:
> zzz><U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:
> zzz>
> zzz>>Hey Chetnik, you're silly.
> zzz>
> zzz>>Look carefully now,...
> zzz>(deleted)
> zzz>--Branko Radosavljevic
> zzz
> zzz
> zzz  Learn your own history.....the Chetniks were Nazi collaberators. It 
> zzz  was the Partizans who faught the Nazis, not the Serbs.
> zzz
> zzz  Once again the Serb netters show that they don't even know their own
> zzz  history.
> zzz
Where did you learn this? From Marx Ed classes in Kumrovec? Or was it
from the Partizan movies made by your fellow compatriot Bulajic?

..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: mjm54324@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Momir J. Milinovich)
Subject: WHAT?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:05:07 GMT

 IN response to that one person's question about how many Bosnian women
 must be raped, how many Muslims slaughtered..etc.,etc.,etc., I'd
 like to ask, if you're so concerned about human rights as you seem to
 be, where were you and your activists when the shoe was on the other foot?
 WHere was the international community when thousands of Serbs were being 
 slaughtered during World War II?  That event doesn't justify the killing, but
where were you when Alija Izetbegovic agreed to divide Bosnia into three
cantons and then reneged, plummeting his country into a terrible war nobody
wanted.  How come you didn't complain calling himra liar or murderer then
when everyone knew what was going to happen?  HOw come you didn't complain
when Alija started bombing his own people?  

Please don't make one-sided statements such as these because it blatantly
demonstrates your ignorance!

Regards

MOMIR
Milinovich
From: chetnik@infopls.chi.il.us (Andre Popov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:30:57 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin) writes:

> <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:
> 
> >Hey Chetnik, you're silly.
> 
> >Look carefully now,
> 
> >                          __
> >        )|(   ___     |__|__
> >        ---   ___      __|  |
> >        )|(
> 
> As you well know, the Serbs were fighting Hitler and the Nazis,
> while you and your kind were sucking their dicks.
> 
> That's why they like you so much.
> 
> 
> >Chetniks are shitty fighters. They have nothing on the Cros from
> >Hercegovina. That's why we be kicking ass on Velez.
> 
> 
> >See you later Fascist,
> 
> 
> >-Chicago Cro
> 
> 
> If you're such a tough-ass, post your real name on the net.
> 
> 
> --Branko Radosavljevic


Who are you anyways - calling us fascists while you talk about war 
battles?!

Why don't you get history straight CHICAGO CRO. I forgot, you have your 
own version of history. I like that picture of Ante Pavelic you guys have 
down at the Cultural Center on Devon Ave. It just goes to show the 
mentality of the majority of the Chicago area Croatians. Might I add that 
there were those Croats during WWII who supported Draza Mihailovic 
(although a VERY small minority)..they knew the TRUTH.

--
chetnik@infopls.chi.il.us (Andre Popov)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Documents 1
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:12:49 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Zoran Draskovic (draskovi@usc.edu) relays:
>Condemning all forms of violent changing of ethnic structure
>on any and all territories, the Serbian Council, via its Information
>Center, submits to you this "Report on Ethnic Cleansing in Western
>Slavonia",

If this "condemning all" is true why don't they bother more of
what is happening under Serbian hands than in Croatia?

Liars.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: IEGS@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (IEGS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: NEWS & REPORT
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:51:06 GMT
Organization: McGill University

DOES SOMEBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND NEWS, DISCUSSIONS & PERHAPS
 EYEWITNESS REPORTS OUT OF WHAT USED TO BE YUSGOSLAVIA. PLEASE,
REPLY TO BE. THANKS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
From: keserovi@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:07:03 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <Bxwo9x.BzA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin) writes:
><U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:
>
>>Hey Chetnik, you're silly.
>
>>Look carefully now,
>
>>                          __
>>        )|(   ___     |__|__
>>        ---   ___      __|  |
>>        )|(
>
>As you well know, the Serbs were fighting Hitler and the Nazis,
>while you and your kind were sucking their dicks.
>
>
>--Branko Radosavljevic


  Learn your own history.....the Chetniks were Nazi collaberators. It 
  was the Partizans who faught the Nazis, not the Serbs.

  Once again the Serb netters show that they don't even know their own
  history.
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Postings we never finished reading (apologies to "The New Yorker")
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:48:23 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In article <1ena4dINN2np@aludra.usc.edu> draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic) writes:
>
>No.8
>
>Report of the Serbian Council
>
>Belgrade
>October 1992
>
>Academician Dobrica Cosic
>President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Belgrade
>
>
>Belgrade, October 30, 1992
>
>Honorable Mr. President,
>
>The Serbian Council, a non-political party, non-government and non-profit
>organization of independent scientists, writers, artists and other
>intellectuals based in Belgrade...
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:00:50 GMT

..and another thread degenerates into a discussion of whether or not
the Macedonians of 2500 years ago (or so) were Greeks or not.  Does it
matter?  Not to me.  Last time I was in Skopje, people there, and in
the contryside about, spoke a slavic language, not very  inflected,
conspicuously akin to Bulgarian, and referred to themselves as
Makedontsi.  That was about 20 years ago. I don't suppose they've
started calling themselves something else since, or speaking some
other language.

Getting back to the subject of the flag they have designed for themselves,
so it has a symbol that was used by someone else before? Does it matter?
I seem to recall Turkish protests that the flag of the Soviet Republic
of Armenia had a picture of a mountain in Turkey (Ararat).  I also
seem to recall that said protests were widely ignored.  I believe that
precedent should apply to Greek protests about the use of the Macedonian
star on the flag of the Republic of Macedonia.

Al Moore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: zorro@cats.ucsc.edu (Dragan M Zivkovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:02:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: mingong-ws-2.ucsc.edu
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: M.I.L.S. - NEWS 16/11/92
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:01:55 GMT

amils@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex MILS) writes:

>ETHNIC ALBANIANS PREPARE FOR WAR IN MACEDONIA
>Skopje. Ethnic Albanians in Macedonia are preparing to go to war,
>according to a report in the Italian newspaper, "Messagiero."
>The Skopje correspondent for the Rome daily has discovered that
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                        ^^^^^^^^^^
>Albania, Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria are ready to invade
>Macedonia.
>
   He should be given a nobel pize.  Great discovery.  By the way,
   how the heck did he discovered it?

   Panos Tamamidis

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Subject: Re: Draza Mihailovic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:20:39 GMT

keserovi@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic) writes:
>  Learn your own history.....the Chetniks were Nazi collaberators. It 
>  was the Partizans who faught the Nazis, not the Serbs.

No they weren't.  That was propaganda spread by Tito to
justify his efforts to exterminate them.

Tito spent more time and effort fighting the Chetniks
than he spent fighting the Nazis.

Some references substantiating my claims:

David Martin; The Web of Disinformation; Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich
(1990).

Michael Lees; The Rape of Serbia; Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich (1990).

-----------------------------------------------

In any case, I wasn't just referring to Chetniks.
'Cro' had drawn the Serbian symbol (it's not a Chetnik symbol).
The Serbs in general opposed Hitler, while the Ustashis
(who I was referring to as Cro's 'kind'---not Croatians in general)
clearly favored Hitler.

This was reflected in the fact that according to the Nazis,
Serbia was officially an occupied country under direct German
military rule.  The Independent State of Croatia (NDH) was a
nominally independent Nazi co-belligerent.


--Branko
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