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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: A thought about Rialto
Summary: assigned experts?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:22:02 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!

I had a thought about making the Rialto work a little more efficiently.

My idea is to make the Rialto "slightly moderated," in that it could
have subject-area moderators.

These would not be moderators in the usual sense, but something more
like experts or specialists.  An example might be Cariadoc on the
subject of cooking, or Justin for dance (supposing that either of them
volunteered for such a position).

The system rely on a tacit agreement, by many of us, to let that person
moderate that topic.  If we had a question, we could send it to that
person, who would either send us a reply or post the question and
optional commentary.  If somebody else posted on that topic, we would
send any responses we wished to make to the specialist, who would
formulate the first response.  If the expert had posted the initial
message, or had already replied to it, then the rest of us would feel
free to add our own comments.

Is this system, or something like it, workable?  How much would it
reduce noise?

Do not bother to volunteer, or to nominate anybody, yet.

This may require considerable modification.  If you feel like
responding to this, consider whether to use the Rialto or direct
e-mail.
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:08:18 GMT

>
>Everytime, and I mean *everytime* I see a show with my SCA friends that
>has to do with the middle ages, they can never sit back and watch it, they
>have to nit pick every little detail and tear it to shreads.  This wouldn't
>be so bad, but the SCA isn't perfect either!  We try, but we mix time 
>periods and do things wrong, and what we know about the middle ages isn't
>perfect anyway.  And the people who usually gripe the most don't know much
>about the middle ages in the first place.
>
>I mean, they even put down Danny Kaye's "The Court Jester" because of
>some anachonisms, instead of just enjoying the farce as it was intended.
>btw, this is nothing against you, Lord Bertoltz, I just needed to get
>this off of my chest.  Does anyone else out there feel that the SCA goes
>to far in putting down other people's attempts to explore the middle ages?
>At least this gets people thinking about it, and maybe wondering if there
>is a group out there that does it right...
>

You are _not_ alone.  I remember seeing Robin Hood (Costner)
and the group I was with spent about fifteen minutes griping about
the Sheriff saying "You, 10:30, you, 10:45" or whatever it was.  (While 
I wanted to gripe about what a poor movie it was ;-) )

I think a lot of enjoyment is lost in expecting non-SCA activities
to hold up to our standard of authenticity, especially as they
never intended to in the first place.  As someone said about
P.G. Wodehose, "To criticize him is like taking an axe to a souffle."
Don't try to make it what it wasn't intended to be, and you'll
enjoy it a lot more, _unless_ (and they exists) you're the kind of
person who feels that they can't enjoy knowing something about
the Middle Ages (or whatever the subject is) unless they can tear apart
other people's ideas on the subject.

Enid Wrigglesworth/Ann Feeney

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From: lindal@goddess.asd.sgi.com (Linda Levy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Inspiration (was Re: consort gender)
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:20:50 GMT
Reply-To: lindal@goddess.asd.sgi.com (Linda Levy)
Organization: sgi

In article <8adQ02aK20we01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
|> In article <8419@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:
|> 
|> >I always wondered what to do about the "inspiration" problem.  I'm not
|> >in a "relationship" same sx or otherwise, so if I wanted to compete
|> >in Coronet, what do I do to avoid doing violence to this concept - a concept
|> >I enjoy *because* it is so high medieval?
|> 
|> >I don't want to just wander up to someone and say "Hey, can I fight
|> >for you in Coronet".  If I win the damn thing I want to be able to 
|> >crown the person who *inspired* me to win, the person I really 
|> >*wanted* to put on the throne.
|> 
|> This is a tricky question. One of my squire brothers won't fight in Crown
|> or Coronet for just this reason: he has no one who truly inspires him to
|> fight. This year is the first year I've had someone I love to fight for,
|> and so far he hasn't been able to come to Crown or Coronet to inspire me,
|> so I can't tell you the difference yet. :-) I overheard a comment made
|> by Duke Jade, the first time he fought for Duchess Shaheena, said with
|> shining eyes and happy face, that it made such a difference fighting for
|> someone you really loved.
|> 
|> Branwen ferch Emrys
|> The Mists, the West
|> 
|> 
|> --
|>                                           Karen Williams
|>                                           branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
|> "Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
|>   -- Brat Pack #3


Greetings

I've had sinilar problems on the "inspiration" question. I've had
 gentleman that I don't know walk up to me the eveing before a crown
 and ask if they could fight for me. Is it better to tactfully turn 
them down, or assume that they are, in fact, inspired by me, and let
 them fight. I would have problems with the latter, due to the oath of invocation where we swear to serve if we win. How do I know if I would 
be ABLE to serve with this person? Am I taking the whole thing too 
seriously?  Any suggestions?

Linda of the lakelands (west)
lindal@asd.sgi.com
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.715047126.F00003

DP>  From: thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton)
DP>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
DP>
DP>  Nothing at all; it's the producers of the show who seem to think
DP>  that a Lousy English Accent is preferable to an American one.
DP>  My point was that they were _trying_ to do English accents in
DP>  a very lazy and sloppy way (and indeed that the whole show was
DP>  lazy and sloppy.

But Dunc, old Dear...they *were* English. They weren't "trying" to do 
English accents at all...much less lazily. 
 
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Copyrighting Heraldry
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:46:23 GMT

The learned Yaakov gave the following information
(NOT advice) to us:

  Then there is trademark law, which allows
  you to protect a simple logo or design.
  However, in order to protect your trademark,
  you must actively be invloved in a trade.
  SCA, inc. can have a trademark.

Yaakov, the SCA is not involved in Trade (the technical
term).  It cannot have a Trademark.  It can, I believe,
have a servicemark.  Or, am I mistaken?

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
From: Chaz.Butler@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Chaz Butler)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA-related sign language (repeat)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:45:14 -0500

THIS LISTING IS OPEN, POST TO EVERYWHERE YOU CAN!!!

Sign Language Users of the SCA

A loose convocation of Sign Language Users was called at Pennsic War this just
past.  After some discussion a compendium of Signs for the Current Middle Ages
is being compiled.  If any are interested in a hard copy and description of the
following signs, please contact Charles Butler/medievally known as Cadwan
Gwydion Galwiddoe at: 9200 Glenville Road, Silver Spring, MD 20901

Signs for the 12 /13 Kingdoms.

1)  East = ASL "e" to the right.
2)  West = ASL "w" to the left.
3)  Middle = Sign ASL middle.
4)  Ansteorra = Sun burst rising from below capped by a star. (from its shield)
5)  Attenveldt = Sunshine on a smiling face (the Sun in Glory) 6)  Outlands =
ASL a dear leaping
7)  An Tir = Mane + claw extended forward (A lion rampant)
8)  Caid = a C with the dominant hand with two crescents above (from its
shield)
9)  Atlantia = A + ocean waves
10) Trimaris = 3 + ocean waves
11) Meridies = M + 3 stars above
12) Calontir = a cross + decorations
13) Drachenwald = Dragon + a forest

THIS LISTING IS OPEN, POST TO EVERYWHERE YOU CAN!!!

(For the most part we tried to follow the heraldic design of the shields of the
Kingdoms except where the signs were directionals.)

We also have signs for Duke, Baron, Knight, Master, MA, MS, MOAS, Laurel, and
Pelican, as well as the standard ASL and Danish Sign Language King, Queen,
Prince, and Princess.

We will be staying in touch with the heralds offices of the Known World as an
order of Silent Heralds (the Caid-ian term).

THIS LISTING IS OPEN, POST TO EVERYWHERE YOU CAN!!!

Charles Butler/Chaz Butler/TIDMADT/
Cadwan Gwydion Galwiddoe/Rattingham/Storvik/Atlantia

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: Greetings from Ravensnest
Originator: pjb4288@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:38:41 GMT

Greetings from Ravensnest and Lorin Francis Rinaud...

I have returned to my place of study after a long and busy summertime
sojourn across our beloved area of existence (ok, New York!).  

Because I missed Pensic <sob>, I missed having a nagging, but challenging
question answered by some gentle.

I am a user of an electric wheelchair <don't know what to call it scadian>
and I've been thinking of how I could outfit it to be more period, and have
not come up with many ideas.

If any gentle out there has a thought or suggestion, I'd love to entertain it.

The fabric is black, with two power packs between the back wheels at such
level with "wheely bars", and a basic metal frame.

I will be checking here occassionally and also read my email daily so please
let me know.

In Service,

Lorin Francis Rinaud
Elder Town Crier
Ravensnest, Thescorre, East
Campaigne Mercurie
-- 
Peter J. Boulay --17 Split Rock Road-Pittsford, NY 14534-The ToonAddict!
Email should be sent only to PJB4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Disclaimer: You don't like what I'm writing? Oh well.
"Well shut my mouth wide open!"- Tiny Toons HISMV
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Thanx to Caer Galen
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:43:23 GMT

My Lords and Ladies,

	I wish to express my heartfelt appreciation to all who responded to my
post for Fighters Practice.  I hope to meet many of you tomorow at the field.


----SCAVENGER

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make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller   |     you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: KGANDEK@mitvmc.mit.EDU (Kathryn Gandek)
Subject: The Hovel at Pennsic
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:41:58 GMT

Quoting Justin:
>
>There we were, Monday night, wandering around the encampment. Several of
>us were playing retinue to Catrin, who was trying to track down Duke
>Merowald regarding her mumming. We wandered down to the Trimarian
>encampment, and I was once again most seriously impressed by the gates
>to the camp. (They get better every year. The stained glass in the gates
>was a snazzy touch this year.) But the best was yet to come. We were
>referred around back, to where Merowald was -- in what, for all the world,
>appeared to be an authentic stone thatched-roof building.
>
>I don't know what it was actually made of, and I don't know how they got
>it there. I *do* know that the roof really was thatched -- they spent a
>while describing to us how they had put it together a day or two before.
>But for all the world, it *felt*, inside and out, like a real stone
>house. Everything about the place felt *right*, down to the rather
>unassuming bed. They even had a root cellar (in which they were keeping
>the beer).
>
>I fear that I don't remember the name of the craftsman who built the
>thing (although I do remember that he's a Count of Trimaris). But I have
>to say, *never* have I found a place at an event more conducive to
>forgetting the modern. Enchanted Ground is great (and Ilaine's blackwork-
>covered pavilion is a marvel), but this was simply amazing. I hope the
>fellow considers publishing the plans in TI or somewhere; more like this
>could really revolutionize the atmosphere of an event...

The makers of the hovel were Arloff and Hilary, reigning monarchs of Trimaris
two Pennsics ago and former residents of Malagentia (Maine).  When I spoke to
them later about the house, they mentioned several things they'd do differently
so I doubt you'll see plans for that exact house anywhere.  I also doubt you'll
see plans for the house in TI because the main building material for the walls
was some form of industrial grade styrofoam!  Their hovel was a marvel of
illusion, artistry and craftsmanship.  Even after I touched the walls, I had to
ask them what the material was - it was so realistic looking (and I saw the
house by day and by night).  Course the honest-to-goodness thatched roof sure
did make it all look even more amazing.  That house was one of the most
effective examples I have ever seen of using modern materials to create a
medieval look.

Catrin o'r Rhyd For         Kathryn Gandek
Barony of Carolingia        Boston area
East Kingdom                kgandek%mitvmc.mit.edu
From: nadine@stat.tamu.edu (Nadine Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Programming/eyeglasses
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:00:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: stat.nadine.715546826
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:


> Yes, it works. It's expensive (current price in Dallas is $1200 per eye),
> but it WORKS! They've been doing it commercially for about 10-15 years
> now, they've got good survey statistics on it, and once the prices come
> down (as I expect them to do in the next four or five years) I suspect
> that it will explode in popularity. It cannot threaten your vision (unless
> you get an infection, of which there have been no recorded cases), and the
> worst that can possibly happen is that they overcorrect and make you
> farsighted (which they are *very* careful to avoid) -- which means you
> have to wear glasses (but, hey, you were wearing glasses already...). Some
> ophthalmologists will let you watch one being done beforehand; it's
> technically pretty straightforward, the one I watched timed out to under
> two minutes, and the guy was up and around and answering questions about
> it afterward. [Having done both in the same day, I can tell you that it is
> simpler and less unpleasant than getting a cavity filled.]

[other discussion of insurance/degree of success deleted...]

>    Tadhg

> * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)


My question is on the methodology of surgery...was it laser or scapel?
One of my friends had this procedure done about 7-8 years ago, and it
worked--he could see 20/20--but only for 2 weeks.  After that, his lenses
grew right back with no scarring (which how this procedure works).

How are the statistics looking on the long term of this procedure?  I remember
hearing early last year (Jan '91) that the decision was still out on the
long-term effects of the laser procedure, ie does it last?

Thanks,
=Nadine=
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: paisley
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:30:00 GMT

ms>  Unto the Rialto does Gospodin Mikhail Nikolaevich Kramolnikov send
ms>  greetings and abasement.
ms>
ms>  Many comments and discussions have discussed paisleys as and OOP
ms>  item.
ms>  While this may be true for the heathen west ;-), it is not so in the
ms>  east.  If I remember correctly, the paisley is a design based on the
ms>  date cone motif.  Anyway, it _is_ period.  Multiple references abound
ms>  not only from India but from Turkey and even Russia.  The differences
ms>  from today's paisley involve the design being repeated over in a
ms>  simple pattern, not the intertwined gobbledy-gook one most often

This is more or less what I was trying to get at in my remarks about Eastern 
"paisley" being a block print, and the Paisley we get the name from being a 
Western adaptation that was woven (and incredibly complex) from Paisley, 
Scotland.

If it is *printed* on cotton, and says "Made in India", it may be IP.

Moreach NicMaolain
email to:
trifid@agora.rain.com 
 
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.arts.sf.written
From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:45:25 GMT
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

Syr Otto von Schwartzkatz asks about pre-registering for more people than you
intend.  If you read the information booklet, you would realize that this
was not permitted.  How "catchable" the offense is, is a whole 'nother
ball game.

Since the total attendees was much less than the pre-registration, there
wasn't much of a big deal.  You can bet, however, that if many more people
had shown up, Johann would have come by, and "shrunk" your encampment,
and put single camper's there.  (Caveat: this is my opinion, I didn't
ask Johann, and don't speak for him).

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: two threads became one
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:29:12 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <9208261536.AA04922@xenlink.cuc.ab.ca> mike@xenlink.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Johnson) writes:

>sex and a member in good standing and ... that we have at least 2 squires who
>are members of the animal kingdom. ( 1 dog & 1 cat that I know of). ]
>At least one of which has a SCA membership. What are the requirements for
>Species????      GRINNNN......

I think the age requirement takes care of that one. Unless you have an
eighteen-year-old dog of opposite sex who's a member in good standing...

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West
--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: awards recognition
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:26:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Greetings to all, but especially Dorigen, from Angharad.

Dorigen asked about requiring courtesy in peers:

>A member of my order (Laurel) recently said to me that if we weren't going
>to use that requirement, it should be removed, so we wouldn't all be (or
>appear to be) hypocrites.  I don't think we should remove it; I think we
>should start taking it seriously.

I must be weird on this subject, because the issues here clearly seem very 
tangled to many, but they seem straightforward to me.

As Bertram pointed out a while back, what you reward you tend to see more
of.  Our peers are our primary role models.  We may reward excellence in
fighting, service or the "arts and sciences", or we may reward courtesy,
or we may choose to reward (at least at the peerage level) only the 
combination of one of the first with the second.

If we give our highest awards for excellence in fighting, service, or A&S,
and in doing so create ill-behaved peers, we may expect to see many more 
ill-behaved fighters, autocrats, needleworkers, and so on.  If we give our
highest awards for excellence in courtesy (or some other quality of 
character) only, we may expect to have a hard time identifying the right
people, and convincing ourselves we're not playing politics, and insofar
as we succeed, we may expect to see more folk who demonstrate those qualities 
but who may not apply them to fighting, or to service, or to A&S.

If we reward only the combination, we get fewer peers, which means that
it will be more obvious (it is already true) that the chances of any given
SCAdian ever becoming a peer are very small; we also have a harder time 
convincing ourselves that we are selecting well.  But we already suffer 
from injustices; and by this route, I think we wind up with more of the 
behaviors we would most like to see.

It seems to me that the real question is whether those combinations 
really are what we want, and if so, whether it is worth the costs to 
encourage them.

In Service to the Society,

-- Angharad/Terry
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt)
Subject: Re: Chain Mail
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:33:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.211001.21571@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ca855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Allen Coody) writes:
> 
> 
> Greetings Rialto and the known world. I am seeking a source of rings
> for the production of chain mail, I am not in the mood for therapy
> projects and if the rings are already made, I hope to avoid the rocking
> and drooling effects of wire twisting.
> -- 
> Juan de los Caballeros
> Time Traveler 1540-?
> NAU CFN ETC...        "The Past Lives within the Present" Nemo nd
> 
> 

It's a bit of a distance from your location, but you might want to seek out
the "House of the Chained Male Lynx" in the Kingdom of An Tir. I believe
they are based in the Shire of Southmarch (Klamath Falls, OR) in the
Summits region. The last I heard, they would sell any kind of precut links,
from brass for decoration, through standard steel, to stainless steel, in a
variety of diameters. They sell them by the pound! They sometimes merchant
at events in the South of An Tir. 

As noted in an earlier post this is possible due to a mundane device called
a spring-winder. Set the length to "0" and you get piles of pre-cut links.
Any shop that can make springs by machine to length can set their machine
thus, and make links by the barrel. (But most wouldn't know why to do so).

Jason of Rosaria, in the Barony of Adiantum, Kingdom of An Tir
(Once a specilaist machinist, mundanely)

MKA Jay Brandt, Computer Support Specialist
University of Oregon, School of Architecture and Allied Arts
JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU