From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Blackmun calls the Roe v. Wade dividing line "arbitrary"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:42:53 GMT

gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:

>In article <C0301K.5nL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:

>}Apparently somebody has never heard of military conscription.

>Been there, done that.  It isn't quite the same as trying to legally
>ban abortion.  'Course, I've never had (or been denied) an abortion.
>I suspect that the number of people who have had abortions (or even
>tried to have them) and have also been drafted to approach zero.  
>Being as how I doubt we can have an experienced person comment, I
>suppose we will have to rely on the Thinkers, of which you are 
>obviously not one.

*shrug* I'm rubber your glue....

The main difference between pregnancy and the draft is that in pregnancy
you know almost exactly what is going to happen to you.  In a war,
you never know how you might die, or when.  How many men were "emotionally"
scarred for life in Vietnam?  I'm sure some were drafted.

>}The over 90% of illegal abortions performed before Roe v Wade  were done
>}by licensed physicians in good medical standing in their own offices.
>}The number of deaths before and after Roe v Wade showed no statistical
>}decrease in deaths resulting from abortion.
>}
>}Stop perpetuating these lies.

>Good advice.  I think those figures are rather foolish myself.  I doubt
>you could find any reliable source for any percentage of illegal abortions.

These figures are well documented.  See my previous posts.  You are the
fool saying you "think" and "doubt" about information which I have provided
references.  You, on the otherhand, dismiss my statistics without a shred
of fact.  Just who was it that wasn't a "Thinker"?

>}Ms. Smith consented to have sex.  In so doing she has surrendered her rights
>}to bodily integrity and personal autonomy.  

>Darn.  I thought she just consented to have sex.  Where is it written that
>she did all that other stuff?  In your Big Book Of The Way I Wished Things
>Worked, perhaps?

Blame Mother Earth.  Long before you or I were here evolution wrote the
rules.

>}Once again, Ms. Smith went and had sex without using her brain.  

>How do you know?  Were you there?

If Ms. Smith isn't adult enough to handle a pregnancy, she shouldn't have
sex.  If Mr. Smith isn't adult enough handle fatherhood, he shouldn't
have sex.  All of these "problems" the liberals scream about fixing are
directly dependent on declining moral values.  I'm not talking about
wrath of God and all that, but just simple mature adult responsibility.

>}Murder is murder.  

>Murder is not abortion.  Abortion is not murder.  

To avoid responsibility you can label it however you want.

>}Morally and scientifically life begins at fertilization, and so does
>}citizenhood.

>You seem to have a different concept of "life" than many of the scientists
>I have talked to.  I don't know about your morals but mine tell me
>that life began long before fertilization was even thought of.  As
>for "citizenhood,"  I couldn't find it in a dictionary, so you may
>be correct in asserting that, although to what end I can't imagine.
>

Big deal.  A nuclear physicist has no more credibility when discussing
abortion than a bus driver.  Both are speaking completely out of their
fields.  I'm glad you know how to use a dictionary.  I thought that the
liberal school system had eliminated anyone left who could alphabetize.

Anyone who can read, and is willing to do so, is perfectly credible
discussing this.

Regardless of who your "scientist" friends are, there's just as many
who hold the opposite position.  Always keep one thing in mind, scientists
need money just like the rest of us.  When funding time comes around,
they'll say whatever it takes (like all this Ozone hole garbage).
Experts are human, just like the rest of us.  They need to survive in 
our capitalist, free market society.  

>}Edward Simmonds


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