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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:03:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvtGxr.Gss
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BvtFDo.F1z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:

>Where are the "CSS" in Japan NOW when Japanese Emperor visits China without 
>saying a word of sorry about what Japan did to China in World War II?
>While CSS in the U.S., Canada, Australia sent portest letter to Japanese Gov't.
>

I have told this guy: in this country of US, we usually don't beg,
we lobby and we reason. However it is very different in Japan,
where they indeed have to beg. I doubt this guy has guts to
protest Japanese Emperor.

The fact was: Japanese killed 300,000 in a few days in Nainjing
and raped more than 10,000 Chinese women. Even many Japanese people
said sorry after visiting Nainjing Yuhuatai. We are not to revenge,
but we ask for an apology from the Japanese Emperor to the
Chinese people.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27738 soc.culture.taiwan:14330
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To President Bush.
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:20:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw2ttG.Aw3
Organization: Indiana University

In article <92287.152130JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> President Bush:
>> ....You know how many eyes are watching you... expecting miracles to happen..
>> A christian
>
>The interesting thing is that the man who posted this "letter to Bush" was
>among the first to announce to the netters that the Bill was signed into law.
>It's hard to understand why he did so.

Because this person believe in truth.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: peiz@vccnorthd.its.rpi.edu (Zhendong Pei)
Subject: statement
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: net
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:03:16 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Organization: MITRE
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:57:29 GMT


> >> 	But I thought it *is* black and white to be honest.  Especially when
> >> your word or action affects your country's interest.
> >> -------------------
> >In the real word, it is not simple.  It does not means that you can chose
> >PEACE or A-BOMB only.  You still can chose other weapon, rifles, guns,
> >tanks...It is the same, a bill or law can not satisfy everybody.  That is
>----------------------- 
> 	No, I am not talking about the law/bill.  I can not care less what
> Uncle Sam decids to do for a group of CSS.  What I am addressing is the
> honesty of CSS ourselves.
> 
> 	What do you feel when you see a headline "Chinese Students Fears
> Imprisonment if Return"?  Is that an honest message?  Doesn't affect
> China's interest, especially at the time trade issues are being mixed
> up with political issues?
>------------------------

It is just a propaganda for me.  Remember all contries have propaganda
including KMT and CCP.  Do not take it very serious, otherwise you can not
sleep at night.  However, if you have a chance to correct your frineds
(either Chinese or American), please let them know what you thought.  Do
not quarrel or fight.  It only make things worse.
========================== 
>
> > It does not means these laws must be moral.  If you insist that moral is
> >very very important, congradulation, you are a good candidate for priest.
>------------------------- 
> 	Well, one doesn't have to be priest to be moral.  One doesn't have to
> be religous for that matter.
> 
> 
> 	 Eddie
--------------------------
I respect your morality.  In the real world, people are not only either
saint or bad guy.  The majority just fall between these two categories
(just like the Normal Distribution Curve, if you believe it).  How to deal
with this majority and get their support is more important than to fight
with a small number of radical extremist.

MSWD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: follow-up to my posting on misc.jobs.*
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:10:11 GMT

In article <2ADB541A.9164@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> Just to tell this group I still have lots of supporters.  Bush's siCKnature
> did not change the fact that those cards are blood cards, and those blood  
card
> activists are blood carders.
> 
> shannon
> -------
> 
> From: someone at a major US university
> To: yeh@netix.com
> Subject: Hello!
> 
> Shannon,
> 
> I read your post in misc.jobs.offered. I have to agree wiht you on the  
position 
> that you took with respect to the mainland chinese green card issue. 
> 
> I showed the post to a professor of mine. He also agrees with it. He would be    
interested to further discuss this issue with you. If you do not mind emailing   
a phone number where he could get in touch with you since my professor doesn't   
have internet or email access.
> 
> Thank you very much. I hope my email message is not intrusive.


Shannon, I don't like you. However, I would still like to tell you not to give  
your address and phone number to that professor. In fact, I was told some (if  
not many) people (at least some people I know) are curiously using all possible  
ways to get your address and phone number. They are definitly NOT your  
supporters. They are the ones who might even send assassinators once they get  
to your address. Although I don't like you, I don't agree the method of  
assassination. I think the law will finally punish you. Sending assassinators  
would give you too much honor.

So, Shannon, don't be too happy about this. My advise is: if you are reluctant  
to go back to China and bomb Zhong Nan Hai, go to somewhere in Montana or  
Wyoming, change your name to avoid possible trouble. 


Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Fresh 1991/1992 Economic Strength of East Asia
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:11:58 GMT

In article <9228602.28777@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>Country | GNP(per capital) | GDP Growth | Exports | Surplus | Debt | Inflation
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>HongKong   14.102(3)          4.7%        104.2B    1.300B    --      8.8%
>China         325            12.0%         71.9B   13.300B    60.5B   5.0%

	I have a question for Dave. Just what $ unit are all these money figures
	expressed in?

	In addition, the IMF figures are set out as follows:

		Trade Bal.	Int.Reserves(IMF)
-------------------------------------------------		 
Hongkong 	-US$2.16b	   n/a	
China		  $0.51b	US$44.38b	
Japan		 $24.00b	  $71.07b
Taiwan	 	  $2.87b 	  $82.79b *
Singapore	 -$1.94b	  $35.18b
Maylaysia	 -$0.08b	  $11.32b
Thailand	 -$2.35b	  $18.43b
S.Korea		 -$1.60b	  $15.03b
Australia	  $0.85b	  $13.59b

Source: Far Eastern Economic Review 

---Cheers,
	Bill
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From: ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:23:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article <1992Oct6.224310.27573@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (
an anonymos poster Carl) writes:
>In article <2AD21004.22944@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com(MrShannon Yeh)  
>writes:
>
>Because you are jealous for whatever reasons even though probably you have  
>already had a card. You just can not calm down your anger towards others'  
>success and better lives in the future.
>
>> House to be quiet is so that they cannot see any direct benefit from granting
>> this bill; the reason for the Chinese government to be quiet is so that they
>> feel "losing-face" if they over-react to this "Chinese-sell-Chinese" case.
>> The reason for the Chinese people to be angry is so that they feel the  
>justice
>> has been raped by those CSS, and the facts has been twisted by those CSS.
>
>
>You are only one of a small handful of people who can not tolerate others'  
>prosperity. Also, you might be someone like a person I know who spoke frankly  
>that he felt unfair because he paid $3500 attorney fee to get a card while  
>others might save the money for a trip to Europe.You do not represent Chinese  
>people.
>
>Carl

Funny how ``Carl'' implies that protection is not at issue here. So to
Carl, this is a ``prosperity'' scheme? Then why call it a Protection
Bill?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chungdan@leland.stanford.edu (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [race (people)] name of the Zhuang4 race (re-ask)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:52:24 GMT

     [La nomo de rasoj povas s^ang^i.  Estas mire.  Mi scivolas, kiom ofta
c^i tio estas.]

     I asked why the name of the race in Southern China:
 ||| \ / -+- \   --+ \ / /  
 |+|  X  /|       |/  X     
 --- / \  +-      |  / \    
namely:
 / -\- 
/|-\-/-
 |+---+
 ||-+-|
 |+-+-+
 |--+--
 |-----
was changed to:
| |  |
| |  |
+-|--+--
  |  |
+-|  |
| |  |
/ | ---	?

     How can the name of an entire race be changed?  Don't tell me that when
the communists came, they artificially changed it.  I hope not; that would
have been not very acceptable.

						*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Tuition in Austin?
From: umcheng1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:00:32 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

hi,
   I hope to know some informaion about the tution of the University of
Texas at Austin. Will the University increase the tuition in next year
just like other states' universities?  According to the information which
I got, the cost for 1992-1993 is: $162/hour for undergraduate, $180/hour 
for graduate.  Does someone know something about that?

Thanks in advance!  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yibing@well.sf.ca.us (Yibing Ma)
Subject: a test, please ignore it
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:40:00 GMT

a test
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27767 soc.culture.taiwan:14343 soc.culture.hongkong:12457 soc.culture.asean:6951
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Fresh 1991/1992 Economic Strength of East Asia
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:37:15 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Oct12.144334.3632@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>
>Thank you so much for this info. Could someone verify if it is all in US
>currencies and when is this data valid?
>yI want to be sure because I recall that the GDP growth rate for
>laysia was actually calculated in Malaysian ringgit, from the Malaysian
>MaAirline publication.

This is very interesting, isn't GDP growth rate unitless?
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:52:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    I don't need the "Protection Bill" personally, nor the similar bill in
Canada.  But, as I have done on SCC all the time, I support any effort to
cut CCP's leash on overseas Chinese, no matter what it is, Hu Na event (a
female tennis player), the baby asylum case (victim/violator of China's
one-child policy), the J-1 trap, or Chinese Nationals Protection Bill.

    You have the right to pursue your freedom, with all the imperfections
you may have.

    In post <Bvx13G.420@news.iastate.edu> (10 Oct 1992) Zhiqi Zuo writes,

> In article <16199@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
> writes:
>
>>     I know a Chinese professor, who came to US before 1949, took three
>> Ph.D. degrees to keep his student status, in order to be not an American.
>> He finally applied PR in the later '50s, exhausted his hope to return to
>> the mainland.
>
> You showed no evidence that he was an opportunist.  He was not parallel
> to what we observed in the past a few months.

    You have a big misunderstanding here, please read my post again.

> And take the advantage of the precious blood in 1989, for personal gains?

    Take the lesson of bloody 1989, for personal safety.  And history will
forgive them.  Nobody would go to a prominent Chinese-American professor's
70th birthday party and ask: "Did you take advantage of Chinese soldiers'
sacrifice in Korea in 1950?"  Or "did you took advantage of McCarthy's
anti-communism hysteria in US in the early '50s?"

> Nobody says that you should go back.  The question is how you get it,
> by being "protected" or by your talent?  U Understand?

    I understand there is a big difference between legal immigrants and
undocumented aliens.  But I may be too "westernized" to see the difference
between "Great, Glorious and Correct" immigrants of talents and resourceless
immigrants looking for protection.  I stopped to subscribe to that kind
of elitism long times ago.

> There are still a lot of space for people to handle this LAW. If it were
> enacted, I suggest that ALL the capable beneficiaries apply for it if
> necessary.  In doing so, the real opportunists would get less chance to
> take the advantage of the other people.

    Doesn't it look like to pick peaches without ever watering the tree
(using one of the Reddest Sun's favourite figures of speech :-) ?

    Seriously, Zhiqi, what is the purpose of your life?  To squeeze fellow
Chinese with different opinions?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: 9201 people's reaction to the blood card and blood carders
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:22:39 GMT

In article <2AD5ED9D.8292@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:

> [...]
>5. By leaving those garbage in the US, the Chinese government, I guess, will
>   be happy.
>
>shannon

  On the matter in question, people can guess whether or not the CCP government
  is happy by seeing if the chairman of action 9201 committee is happy. Is he
  happy?  No, at least not at having lost the lotto, which he thought a great
  opportunity to make money out of people's blood.

-ping
From: zhm@csc.liv.ac.uk (Dr. M Zheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Intl. Conf. for Young Computer Scientists Info. wanted
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:25:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Could someone send me the Call For Paper of International Conference for Young Computer Scientists in China next year? I saved the CFP but couldn't find it 
any more. I would appreciate it if someone can send a copy to me. Please sent
through email (zhm@csc.liv.ac.uk). I don't read this group very often.

Thanks in advance!

M. Zheng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Yue Fei, Wang Po and Beggars
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.210928.17292@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Again, things happened in the history are really difficult to judge. It is just  
>like you walk on a road and meet a cross (or two branches of roads), you choose  
>one branch and continue walking. Your decision to choose one branch also means  
>your decision to abandon the other branch. Maybe the other branch is much  
>flater, wider, with much more beautiful scenery. But you forever miss the  
>chance to see the scenery along that branch. It's just like "an old man lost a  
>horse, how do you know that it is not fortune". If you realize this, than it is  
>not difficult to think that Yue Fei is not more than Wang2 Po3 (old lady Wang).
>
>What is important is now, not the past. As long as you are free and happy now,  
>why bother think that your father or grandfather may be beggars (which was not  
>very uncommon to those who later became communists).
>
>Carl

Sure, why bother? If your father or grandfather were beggars, they might be
more free and happy than you are now. Many phylosophers define happiness as
the feeling of being satisified. Beggars are the ones easiest to be satisfied.
They don't have to care about rules or morals, as long as they obtain a
piece of bone with some meat on it, they are happy to enjoy the diner,
unlike the King who has so many things to worry about.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27983 soc.culture.taiwan:14421 soc.culture.hongkong:12609
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:04:24 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

>>Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
>>close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>>close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>>what Taiwan is now.  
>
>That is interesting.  My dog thinks (I think) something similar to
>that that he is much better off being an American dog than being those
>dying Somalian.  Fortunately, Taiwanese (Chinese in general) have
>something that my dog doesn't, dignity.
>
>Chuan Lee

May be in your point of view, Japanese don't have any dignity since they
have received so much aids form U.S. even their constitutions. But where is
Chinese dignity now when the Japan's emperor is going to visit China and
the government tried to surpress Chinese people to request compensates from
Japan for their crimes committed during WWII.
Can you see any of your dignity in China when billions of foreign dollars
flooded in to buy ..., etc., etc. ?
Of cause you can keep your dignity for yourself, but when you compare with
other people, oh boy, you will find out how '....', you are.
So, my point is it doesn't matther how you look at yourself, the most
important is how would other people look upon you.

Yi-Chieh
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Once Again, US Welcome You (Wa Re: Once again, please ...)
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:00:03 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <98227@bu.edu> (10 Oct 92)  Xiaowen Li writes,

> Well, Eddie's question about morality makes much more sense.  ...  The
> problem, as Eddie asked, is whether it is moral for me to take the this
> advantage [Protection Bill].

    I know a Chinese professor, who came to US before 1949, took three
Ph.D. degrees to keep his student status, in order to be not an American.
He finally applied PR in the later '50s, exhausted his hope to return to
the mainland.

    Sometime, he would betray a so-so respect not common among overseas
Chinese towards some Nobel laureates.

    But, who else cares the "protection bill" for Chinese after the eruption
of Korea War?  Who is going to others' closet to check whether s/he took
this advantage or not?  Not even CCP.

    As an incurable individualist, I would say: you may be unable to save
PRC, but at least don't ruin yourself.

    Some historical background: in 1950, Zhou Enlai was waving to overseas
intellectuals with his famous smile, and CCP's oppression wasn't fully
unfolded yet.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:39:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.011419.110867@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MO JIANCHENG) writes:
>>>D-fighters will win on the point of 6/4 killing.
>>>D-fighters will win on the point of democracy,
>>>D-fighters will win on the point of free market,
>>>D-fighters will win on the point of diplomacy.

I don't like these statements, either.

>Who are the D-fighters? The Garbage? I do have a question why someone
>is always shouting "6.4". I took pat in the whole thing in that time,
>but by now, I don't have anythng to say. I understand  our
>government, it made some mistakes, but it did the right thing in 6.4.

Here I don't know why you understand the government.  What the right
thing did you mean? the killing?  From the very start, the government
hadn't done nothing.  In June, while the situation of the movement had
already got out off control, they had no choice but using force to
restore order.  The only one I can understand is each individual soldior,
who shot at the crowd.  The soldior were misled by the government, they
just followed the order from the top leaders. 
 
>about it, the killing was done by two groups, the first is the D-fighters.
>Personally, I hate the D-frighters, they sold us, all the pure students,
>to get some .....? Anyone fires at me? If you were in hundreds of
>thousand miles away in that time, please shut up!

Please make clear, who are the D-fighters?  I don't like the name, but
don't hate they at all.  And another thing is people will always take 
responsibility of their act, if you think someone sold you, you are not
smart enough; if you think what you did is right, then you have nothing
to be sorry about.  In this case, I think the students did the right 
thing, they did it not because someone wanted them to do it, but they
think they were doing the right thing.  Another question is what is the
different between the students did the demostration and the D-fighters,
I so how mixed them up.
From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Blood Card?
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:40:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


It's been quite awhile since the thtle `blood card' or `blood carder' 
is used. Strangly enough, those who accuse others `blood carder' are
the same buntch (or group) who insisted earlier that `blood' had never
happened!

Now, if only they could kindly explain to me, how could there be `blood
carder' if there is no `blood'? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Lei Feng, mirror and mirror breakers(was: Re: Learn from Lei Feng)
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:35:27 GMT


Tang2 Tai4 Zong1 said "Yi3 Ren2 Wei2 Jian4". (Listen and watch honest 
people as my mirrors.)
Indeed, Lei Feng is a mirror.
 
Lei Feng was attacked by some persons with a word "fool".
Lei Feng is attacked here by some netters with all creative imaginations.
Did they or do they make themselves better-looking, or better self-feeling?
I doubt.
 
When someone trys to break a mirror, he must have something bothering him.
Feeling something bothering is really a good sign.
Knowing shame is much better than shameless.
However, rather than breaking the mirror, cleaning yourself up is what 
a non-shameless person should do.
A Chinese children song "I Found a One-Cent Coin on the Streetside" is 
recommended as an introduction of basic honest.
Try to find some ABC about Lei Feng.



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