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From: macgregor@slcs.slb.com (William I. MacGregor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacTCP over ARAP problem?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:32:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Schlumberger CS lab, Austin

A new "unexpected behavior"--have you seen it, too?

Symptom:  when this PowerBook 170 connects via Remote Access, AND the inits
  include VersaTerm Time Client or VersaTerm FTP Server, it achieves
  AppleTalk connectivity but not TCP/IP connectivity.  If I disable these
  two inits, reboot, and dial up again, the PowerBook achieves both
  AppleTalk and TCP/IP connectivity.  Switch the inits back in and
  reboot, dial up, and TCP/IP is gone again.  (Please note!  I don't
  think the VersaTerm software is at fault, I suspect it simply 
  discloses a problem.)

Background:  this PowerBook is running System 7.1 with Network Installer
  1.2.3 and MacTCP 1.1.1, and VersaTerm PRO 3.6.2.  I dial in to Remote
  Access servers of several kinds; at least two of them exhibit the
  behavior with complete repeatability (maybe the third does, too, I 
  haven't tested against it thoroughly).  AppleTalk-to-Ethernet IP
  conversion services are carried out by a GatorBox; connection attempts
  are made to a variety of Suns and RS6000's, all apparently normal.
  The other inits on this PowerBook are pretty vanilla, not related to
  communications, except for an Asante Ethernet driver and the usual
  Apple inits.

History:  this behavior is new, less than a month old.  During that period
  I upgraded to System 7.1, Network Installer 1.2.3, and MacTCP 1.1.1.
  VersaTerm PRO, the GatorBox, and the Remote Access servers have been
  stable for a longer period of time.

My working hypothesis is that any init that opens the MacTCP driver may 
cause the lock-up.  Thanks for your help in advance if you are able to
shed any light on this problem -

  - Bill
From: andrew@ugkc.lviv.ua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Fax Access thru Internet?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:04:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Archeparchy of Lviv
Reply-To: andrew@ugkc.lviv.ua

I am an account holder on Compuserve (registered USA, as per my
residence). My work takes me to Ukraine (ex-USSR), from where I need to
send faxes. I am on Internet in Ukraine. How can I access Compuserve to send faxes directly (through Internet) and use other services while I am in Ukraine. What other possibilities are there for other faxgates to the United States and generally to the West through Internet?
For Andrew Tymchuk, M.A. Cizdyn





Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: bschmidt@bnr.ca (Ben Schmidt)
Subject: Re: MacTCP 1.1.1 doesn't lock address
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:21:00 GMT

In article <721164580snx@w3vh.UUCP>, rolfe@w3vh.UUCP (Rolfe Tessem) wrote:
> 
> packer@forum.swarthmore.edu writes in article <packer-031192111905@excalibur.swarthmore.edu>:
> > 
> > I just tried to setup MacTCP on my machine and was not able to lock my
> > address.  In AdminTCP I set Obtain Address to Manually, entered my
> > address and then checked the three Lock boxes, for Net, Subnet and Node.
> > I also checked Protected.  Well when I closed AdminTCP and opened MacTCP,
> > I could change the address at will.  This doesn't seem right.  When I
> > followed the exact same procedure setting up version 1.1, my address was
> > not editable in MacTCP.  Anybody know what gives?
> 
> In this situation, MacTCP *appears* to let you change the address, but
> if you reboot after you've "changed" it, you'll notice that it's still
> the same as it was originally.

I would normally have replied the same: MacTCP *appears* to let you change
the address of a "protected" MacTCP, but if you reboot, you'll notice the
address is unchanged.  But recently I've run across situations where
AdminTCP-protected copies of MacTCP v1.1.1 have editable IP address fields
*and changes to the IP addresses survive reboots*!!  The details are that
the Net, Subnet and Node checkboxes were not checked, but the
AdminTCP-"protected" checkbox was.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dbasinge@ucs.indiana.edu (D. Michael Basinger)
Subject: VT240 Emulutor for Mac needed
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:34:24 GMT

I'm looking for a VT240 emulator that will work with MacTCP.


Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: MacTCP availability?
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:02:49 GMT

I'm in the process of setting up my home Mac with a SLIP connection to
a third-party service provider (who is kindly giving me access; he's
not in the business like MSeN or PSI.)

To do this, evidently I need MacTCP. Hyde Park doesn't include it with
their SLIP package, nor does NCSA include it with Telnet. Versaterm
does include it, but I just blew my allowance on a fast modem, so
that's out of the question for right now :)

Is MacTCP system software? Is it freely redistributable, or is it only
distributed under license (like the Comm Toolbox)? Since it's not on
ftp.apple.com, I'll assume it's licensed software. How can I get it?

-Paul
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From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Mac IP?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:40:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx927s.7Ao
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim) writes:

>   MacIP is a TCP/IP software from Stanford University.  The current
>release version is MacIP 4.0.2.  It run on Apple's MacTCP.  Hope this
>help.

Of course, SU has had MacIP for a while. This just adds to the
confusion, as the name "MacIP" is also used for IP-in-AppleTalk
gatewaying in loads of documents by loads of vendors. I will not
venture to guess who was the chicken and who was the egg.

pr
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Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Another problem with Appletalk off (was Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks)
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:56:20 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <RFC=84B@engin.umich.edu>, Klaus P. Fechner
<klaus@sparky.rad.med.umich.edu> wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov8.121257.29181@dxcern.cern.ch> Christopher Lishka,
> lishka@dxcern.cern.ch writes:
> >In <D2150050.i2fgha@nan.network-analysis-ltd.co.uk> 
> >sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin) writes:
[stuff about ARA not working with Appletalk turned off deleted]

> I have encountered another network related problem caused by Appletalk
> being off when it was
> supposed to be on. I believe it was mentioned before in one of the
> newsgroups:
> 
> I am (occasionally) using Shiva dial-in software to access our Appletalk
> network at work from home. Initially it was working fine. One day the
> network control panel refused to load with the very informative error
> message: "The network software has not been installed correctly. Use the
> installer and restart."
[stuff deleted]

When I installed ARA on my Powerbook 160, running 7.1, and ran Remote
Access Setup, I got
"A Remote Access Setup error has occurred.  No description."  How's that? 
When I rebooted
with extensions disabled, I got the same message you described.  I, too,
tried reinstallation,
to no avail.  After seeing this thread, I tried turning Appletalk on (I use
a serial printer), and
voila!  RA Setup is happy and ARA  works just fine.  Helpful error
messages, these.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: PowerBook Express Modem Kit
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:20:58 GMT

In <michel.720893044@cst02> michel@cst02.segin.com (Michel Pollet) writes:

>isanders@netcom.com (Ivar Sanders) writes:
>>Most US-spec modems will work fine anywhere in the world.  That
>>doesn't mean that they are legal according to the authorities
>>of the country in question, however.

>	True for the France, a modem have to be 'checked' by France Telecom

The same is true for Switzerland.  However, the Swiss phone system
*IS* slightly different from the U.S. and French phone systems.

All modems used in Switzerland must also be PTT-approved.  There are
extra considerations in Switzerland that must be taken into account.
Plus, Swiss PTT-approved modems were (maybe still are) generally much
more expensive.  Luckily, CERN gets volume discounts on Swiss
PTT-approved US Robotics Courier v.32bis modems, so all is fine for
us (the price is even good).


>>Since other countries may use "call progress" signals (dial tone,
>>busy, ring-back, etc.) that are different then those used in the
>>US, it might be necessary to issue a command to the modem to do
>>blind dialing (ignore busy and dial tone).  The command for doing
>>this is usually ATX0 or ATX1.

>	There technicaly no problems at all with the french lines, I
>	have a PowerPort in my PB and it works fine

Be careful here.  The Swiss use a slightly different line for the ring
signal than in the U.S.  Also, Swiss phone lines sometimes have a
periodic high-pitched "beep" that indicates you have used another 10
centimes worth of phone time.  This is commonly used in phones that
track how much money you have spent.  In modems without error
correction, this causes line-noise in one direction.  There are cheap
tiny filters to get around this.

The ring-signal problem can be handled with a special type of plug.
The "beep" likely isn't a problem for error-correcting modems.  Also,
Swiss PTT-approved modems likely have to have filters for this.


>>US modems are often used in Europe.  Go for it.

>	True.

True, but you might have occasional problems.  Things can be slightly
different here.  Plus, in the the U.S. you are usually working with
phone lines that are "standard" in the sense there are X number of
phone companies in the market.  Countries like Switzerland and France
have *one* phone company working in a monopoly.  So their phone lines
may use different "standards".

Good luck!

						.oO Chris Oo.

-- 
                                                           Christopher Lishka
 Never drive a car when you're dead...			   PPE Division, CERN
				-- Tom Waits		  lishka@dxcern.cern.ch
							     vxaluw::lishka
From: chip@inter.interzone.ch (Marc Liyanage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Good book on TCP/IP / Internet wanted
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:31:14 CET
Organization: Interzone Switzerland
Reply-To: chip@interzone.ch
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4



Hi..

I've just set up my slip connection to the net.

Now I'm looking for a good book that covers just about anything about
the Internet and the protocols, numbering schemes etc.

Tips, anyone?





____________________________________________________________
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                Papernet: CH-9552 Bronschhofen,  Switzerland 
                ICBM-Net: 47 29 17 N / 009 03 41 E / ALT 578
                Voicenet: +41 73 22 1196
From: freitas@cats.ucsc.edu (Anthony Sherman Freitas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Wanted: Good BBS program
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:50:24 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: as215-ws-3.ucsc.edu


Anyone know the name and/or distributor of a good Mac BBS program.

It must include the following:
mail, uploading, downloading, bulletin boards, various security levels.

Tony

freitas@cse.ucsc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Piet Saslawsky <psaslaw@oc.com>
Subject: Re: Internet connection to AppleLink?
Organization: Advanced Software Concepts
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:05:40 GMT

>Is it possible to write mail from internet to AppleLink addresses?
>If possible please give me an example!

EASY : you just have to add "@applelink.apple.com". If your guy is at the
JOHN.DOE AppleLink address, write to him at
<john.doe@applelink.apple.com>. And he will have to answer you at your
email address with the "@internet#" postfix : <a-kraus@uic.edu@internet#>
in your case.

BUT I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION : how can I access the Applelink machine from
the Internet without using the AppleLink application ? I.E. is it
possible to access my AppleLink account with Eudora, or from a Unix
machine ?

Thanks!
From: peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au (Peter Broadribb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Wanted to buy: ARA (AppleTalk Remote Access)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 09:09:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au

I'm interested in buying ARA (AppleTalk Remote Access) off a US PowerBook
owner who received a copy bundled with their PowerBook, but hasn't used it,
for a price less that what I would pay for it new from Apple.

Although you guys are in the US and I am in Australia, I am happy to have
it sent over if it means paying less than what I would pay here.

Email me if you do not want your copy of ARA.
--
Peter Broadribb <peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au>         Home Phone: +61 (9) 470 3261
PO Box 856, Victoria Park WA 6100, Australia     Work fax: +61 (9) 324 2030
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: 'Capturing' a Telnet session.
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:37:56 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <Bx7p7M.KD0@alsvid.une.edu.au>, kevin@alsvid.une.edu.au (Kevin
Pollard) wrote:
> 
> I'm using NCSA Telnet on my Mac.
> 
> My question is: how do I 'capture' whatever appears on the screen into
> a disk file. (In my PC Kermit program, I know there's a 'log session'
> command.)

Get NCSA Telnet version 2.5b (or later).  Under the Session menu -- last 
item is 'capture session to file.'  
From: eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:17:06 GMT
Subject: Internet/FTP questions
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm


Just recently I purchased a fax/modem for my Mac and I was wondering if there
was any way to get an e-mail address on Internet without having to join
Compuserve.  I know there are some BBS sites that offer Internet connections,
but have yet to find any in my area.  I am also interested in finding a site
which will allow me to FTP.  If anyone can help, I would appreciate it greatly.

Eric Lucas
HP SAD/MID
Rohnert Park, CA
From: 6500veen@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Veen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: ZTerm and CTB?
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:51:06 GMT

I am currently using ZTerm to dial into a Unix box for Internet
access.  Unfortunatly, the system is fairly old and ZModem file
transfers fail because it's limited to 7 data bits.  The only
supported file transfer protocol here is Kermit. So...

My question:  I have hear that ZTerm can use the Communications
Toolbox.  Is there a way I can use the Kermit Tool to do file
transfers?  If not, is there a program that can that is as
simple, small and has scripting abilities similar to ZTerm? And
finally, any one know how to get SZ to work with a N71 connection?

Any and all suggestions can be sent via e-mail... I'll sum up.

Thanks,
Jeff

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From: Mark.Tucker@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Tucker)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: SOFTWARE APPLETALK/ETHERNET R
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 09:42:13 -0500

 > Somebody mentioned that Apple had a software
 > router package that readily converts appletalk packets
 > to ethernet and basically does away with the need
 > for expensive hardware routers.  Does anyone have
 > information on this?  Is Apple the only one making 
 > such a thing?
 > 
 > Specifically, he wants to have macs on different
 > floors talking appletalk and ethernet, and he
 > doesn't want to go out and buy scsi boxes for
 > macpluses.
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Bill Eldridge

Farallon makes a software AppleTalk to EtherNet router called PhoneNET Liaison. 
We have been using it here for about eight months and it is very stable.  I
haven't had to mess with it since the day I installed.  It runs in the
background and also supports dial-in access.  We use it to connect our EtherNet
network with our Laser printers, which are on a seperate Localtalk zone.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Piet Saslawsky <psaslaw@oc.com>
Subject: Re: Remote Shutdown of Internet Mac
Organization: Advanced Software Concepts
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:43:36 GMT

My company has developed and distribute "FTPShare", a FTP server which
allows the administrator to launch applications or restart the machine (a
demo version is available on Sumex). I can give you a patch to change the
Restart into a ShutDown. If you are interested in this product, just
contact the french office.

Piet Saslawsky
Advanced Software Concepts (France)      Open Connect Systems (Dallas)
email: adv.soft@applelink.apple.com      email: psaslaw@oc.com
voice: (33) 93 24 76 00                  voice: (214) 888 0658
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Mike Goodglick <mikey@nrc.com>
Subject: Lets Screw Apple!!!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7259B3BB801CA7A@homer.nrc.com>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:00:43 GMT
Organization: NRC
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:01:18 GMT

Apple screwed us, how about us screwing them??!
What I am talking about is MacTCP...The bozo's @ Apple are charging us
 for the 1.1.1 version, so why doesn't some brilliant hacker out there
make a control panal
 that is similar to MacTCP 1.1.1. & is sharware??  This way, there are no
copywrites
busted.  If I had enough brains to hack something like this out...you bet
 would!!!
From: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Another problem with Appletalk off (was Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks)
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:07:38 GMT
Reply-To: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
Organization: Network Analysis Ltd
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <RFC=84B@engin.umich.edu> (comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system), klaus@sparky.rad.med.umich.edu (Klaus P. Fechner) writes:

> What a screwy and misleading error message. This should never happen after
> a successful install. How about "You must turn on Appletalk to use the
> network software"? I believe this is again the unwanted side effect of
> Tuneup 1.1.1 allowing Appletalk to be not loaded at boot time (which I
> like), and it sounds like lack of adequate testing on Apple's part.

It's because ATRA predates Tuneup 1.1.x. When they wrote ATRA there was no
way to stop AppleTalk loading (even if you turned it off, it still loaded).
Thus, if ATRA couldn't find ATalk, it assumed a screwed-up installation, which
was quite reasonable under the circumstances. Of course, circumstances have
changed... Aren't we due for an ATRA update? (Half a :-)


Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK

uucp:      ...!uknet!nan!sw  Phone: (+44) 203 419996
AppleLink: NAN.LTD           Internet: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: brian@cirrus.com (Brian Feinberg)
Subject: Re: Sending Apple events to Microphone II from Frontier
Keywords: frontier apple-events microphone script
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:00:12 GMT

In <1992Nov8.183710.12632@netcom.com> leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:

>	A Frontier Install file for MicroPhone II is available in UserLand's
>forums on CIS & AppleLink.  This is for Frontier 1.0 - but with Frontier 2.0
>you should be able to do more since 2.0 supports the Object Model much better
>and most of MPII's events are object based.

Could you post any examples of how to use Frontier 2.0 to send MPII events?
I've looked at the tech note and through some of the scripts in Frontier 2.0,
the document on Frontier and the object model, etc, but so far I'm still in 
the dark. You're supposed to be able to send an object descriptor referring 
to a script name, for example, but I haven't managed to get anything to work.
One idea occurs to me now - if 'script' is 'cMPS' (I think that's what I saw in 
the install script) would misc.doScript('DFBO','misc','dosc','---',script["name"])
call script "name"?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Re: SCSI/Ethernet for powerbook.. prices ?
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:12:43 GMT

The company I work for, FOCUS Enhancements, makes a SCSI-based Ethernet
interface for Powerbooks up through the 170.  We've advertised it recently
for $214.99 (plus $39.99 for the PowerBook HDI cable).  If you're
interested, let me know.  I can send you a Smart Buyer's Guide or arrange
to have someone call you.

Peter Cohen
FOCUS Tech Support
<disclaimer: see .sig below>
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From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:30:38 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <mike_steiner-061192152246@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>Giving it away with the computers paid for its development?  How do you
>figure that?  The only way that it could possibly be true is if people who
>bought those PowerBooks did so because of ARA, and would not have purchased
>the computers without ARA.
>
Absolutely... Count four from here that woudn't have been bought...

it's the old bait 'n switch, first bait 'em away from Shiva Remote Access,
then switch 'em to paying after everyone has settled on the new 'free'
standard... By the way, why are bothering to argue with someone who