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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Wrecks N Effect
Keywords: ch
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:03:50 GMT
Organization: UB


	Did anyone pick up the new Wrecks N Effect? I thought it was Markell
Riley who died? Anyway, is the Radio Remix on the 12"? Because I picked up
the maxi cassingle because of that track, and the dance hall additions are
slammin'...definitely worth it...




-- 
Patrice Simon
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:52:11 EDT
From: <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: alt.rap

>                                             ...if you weren't so ignorant you
>would read the lyrics and figure out the damn meening, the lyrics are like
>poetry...you got to read them carefully and if you are open-minded you would
>understand!!!...

Hmmm...are you talking about rap or about heavy metal?

If I were you, I'd take your own advice and give rap a try.  Of course there
is some rap that is stupid and racist or sexist.  But there is also rap that
is intelligent and politically-minded.  Get the album "It Takes a Nation of
Millions" by Public Enemy, listen to it a few times, read the lyrics and
then say what you will.  But generalizing and saying "all rap sucks" because
of a few songs and what they say in the media is like saying "all young
black males are drug dealers" because of a few young black males and what they
say in the media..
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: _Greatest Misses_
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 00:36:46 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Oh yah...throw in my opinion on 'Greatest Misses'...I loved the album! 
Favorite trax from the new chit have to be _Hazy Shade of Criminal_ and 
_Tie goes to the Runner_ Mah favorite trax from the remix side gotsta be 
_Party for your Right to Fight_ and _Who Stole the Soul_ I really dig the 
part in _Who Stole the Soul_ where they threw in the bit from Eddie 
Murphy [SNL] Definitely one of the best things to come outta PE...any 
news on when the actual '93 album will be out??

Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Gangsta Rap
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:25:50 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <Bvu11o.6E3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065m89r@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Keith P McCartney) writes:
> This is about your question about whites liking mostly gangsta
> rap...I can understand your question as I have heard it many 
> times before. Personally, as a white person myself, think that
> it is partly to get a feel for what it is like to live in the 
> ghetto. I have never had to live the way a person in the ghetto
> has had to. I don't know what it is like and the gangsta style
> of rap gives me kind of an understanding of what it is like

I can agree with this to a certain extent.  The better gangsta rappers
address specific problems (Ice Cube, Ice T, etc).  The main problem as
I see it is money being pulled out of our cities in the past ten years
or so.  I know money isn't everything, but there are all sorts of
programs (and especially *education*; anyone see Donahue this morning?)
 dealing with the cities that have been drained to fund the HUD and S&L 
bailouts, not to mention the overly immense military budget.

The real question is, come November 3rd, what are you going to do
about it?

-- 
Mark Kinney [KINNEMA@WKUVX1.(BITNET)(WKU.EDU)] | Give me Slack OR KILL ME!
PhoneNet: (502) 745-4246   (Bowling Green, KY) | K A /\ /\ I E T I
Quote of the week: "You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just
	because some watery tart throws a sword at you."
			-- Dennis, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Teamin' up
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:07:15 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I wonder if any other rap groups out there would team up with anudder 
group like PE did w. Anthrax? Personally, I think Public Enemy and Living 
Color would make a dope combination....If they were to do Fight the 
Power, or another ruff song from the PE collection, I am sure they would 
click together...

Also, has anyone seen the video for 'Hazy Shade of Criminal' Since we are 
up here in Edmonton, I don't think they will even show it...MTV might 
show it, but there is only one place (the college I went to) that had MTV 
on satellite, and that is where I caught 'By the Time I get to Arizona' 
which has to be one of the most intense videos ever from PE (since Can't 
Truss It) 

I am outta here...

Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: AD
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:31:59 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

Yo AD!

Been trying to send you some mail, but the adress at the top of your articles
bounces for me. Will ya please drop some lines from some machine I can reply
to? Later dude...

--
Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: pRINCE
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Has anyone heard that new Prince album yet?  Its not hip-hop,
but its not bad.  Its right along the lines of _Diamonds And Pearls_,
but is a lot funkier and has more rap tied into it.  
	The rap is done by members of the N.P.G. and is in that melodic,
Prince fasion, so dont expect much there.  And there are a few samples
he uses in his songs, like one by Eric B. and Rakim, and one by N.W.A.
(from _NIGGAZ4LIFE_).  They're hard to pick up, but enough to credit in
the liner notes.
	If you like Prince, like I do this, this album is a slammin'!
Personally, I think he's a "musical genius, man"!  

	Anyway, back to the hip-hop................................aMIL
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Wrecks N Effect
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:39:37 GMT

In article <BvrGqF.39o@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>
>	Did anyone pick up the new Wrecks N Effect? I thought it was Markell
>Riley who died? Anyway, is the Radio Remix on the 12"? Because I picked up
>the maxi cassingle because of that track, and the dance hall additions are
>slammin'...definitely worth it...
>
>-- 
>Patrice Simon
>simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
>opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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No, the DJ was the one shot and killed, I believe.  I haven't seen this single,
'Rump Shaker,' on wax yet; truthfully, I really haven't looked though.  It's
catchy, but all it really is is Kane's, "Ain't No Half-Stepping," PE's
instrumental, "Show 'Em Whatcha Got," and MC Shan's, "The Bridge."  All fat
records with fat beats that do get your head nodding.

                                            T-Dub
                                            SHYGUY productions
From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Lench Mob --Guerillas in tha mist
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:04:20 EDT

In article <fedde.718641710@Minsk>, fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
> After beeing listening to Da Lench Mob for days to let it grow in me, I
> am stil not sure about what I think of it. I would like to know what others
> thought of this one...I am just very close to beeing disappointed and I
> stil really don't know why...please drop some lines in an article! :)
> 
> --
> Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)


Dope,dap,dope,dope,diggity da roughneck style.  I found it pleasing to the
cochlea, yet spasmic to the spine.  This song makes me wanna make like a cop
killer.  Of course, the lyrics are just secondary dans moi livre.  Nice dense
oversampling, 'Try an' take THIS to court and win some money mufuc','.  I like
it.

==Phyz   watching, waiting....
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dannyd@htsa.aha.nl (Danny Dreves)
Subject: G-boys wanted
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:22:07 GMT

Hi outhere .I'm a true rap fan from holland and i'm seeking for
the first one or two albums from the Geto Boys.I heard that they 
have made one or two albums before the one whith FUCK'EM and
READ THESE NIKES.If someone could tell me how to
get them or give me the titles then i would be HAPPY.
By the way,I'm also looking for the first album from
TOO $HORT,the one with the track DOPE FIEND BEAT .
Oh I almost forgot,does anybody know something about a BDP album before
CRIMINAL MINDED? (I think they did it with ERIK B & RAKIM).
THANKS.
From: v065m89r@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Keith P McCartney)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Albums
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

This is about your question about whites liking mostly gangsta
rap...I can understand your question as I have heard it many 
times before. Personally, as a white person myself, think that
it is partly to get a feel for what it is like to live in the 
ghetto. I have never had to live the way a person in the ghetto
has had to. I don't know what it is like and the gangsta style
of rap gives me kind of an understanding of what it is like ( I
know nothing is as real as first hand experience though ). 
People are always talking about how bad it is in the ghetto.
For example in Ghetto Bastard by Naughty by Nature, he says
something like "If you aint never been to the ghetto, then don't
ever come to the ghetto, 'cause you wouldn't understand the ghetto
 So stay the fuck out.." I believe that I wouldn't understand it
so gangsta rap helps me get a feel for it. I in no way found your
question racist so don't think I did. It is a legit question...
Also the music is pretty dope. I like it alot, especially the hard
baselines. You can't find baselines as hard as in gangsta style rap
If you want to give me some 411 on what it's like in the ghetto 
then I'm all ears...Email me if you want to kick the facts...
				Peace out Ronin' Wolf...
					Pooky
		AND I'M AUDI LIKE RACISM SHOULD BE!!!
From: U14864@uicvm.uic.edu (Tyrone Ellison)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: alt.rap
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:03:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

"How could I keep my composure/
  When all sorts of thoughts fought for exposure?..."
                                   -Eric B & Rakim
                                   "Musical Massacre"

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw this idiotic post by this
obviously ignorant girl.  You claim that Sir Mix A Lot denegrates women in his
video... but it's not anything like the fine treatment women recieve in a Van
Halen video.  You also claim that ANY Black person can rap.  You come off
sounding more racist than the people you claim to have beef against.  As a
lyricist (and a pretty dope one), I KNOW  that ANY BODY CAN'T DO WHAT A RAP
ARTIST does.  That's just like saying that any white boy can crunch chords on
his electric guitar.  You also say that rap causes violence.  I'm quite sure
that RAP causes about as much violence as HEAVY METAL does SUICIDES.  You have
proven that ignorance crosses all racial and gender lines by posting such non-
sense.   For you to claim that rap isn't music is another stroke of sheer stu-
pidity, because I would like to see anyone copy the sonic collages that Hank
Shocklee creates in a Public Enemy song.  Also, how can you say that hip-hop-
pers think that Rock is Devil Music when so many hip hop acts WORK WITH ROCK
MUSICIANS?  I guess that Metal Church, Anthrax, Living Colour and others have
sold their souls for working with hip hop artists.   You have a point when you
mentioned that some artists call white people "devils", but were you outraged
when Axl Rose blasted "niggers" in HIS SONG?  Or did you sit back and enjoy it?

By placing ALL rap in one category and saying that it sucks is as bad as saying
all METAL, JAZZ, (fill in the blank), sucks as well.  The next time you decide
to post your opinions, do the world a favor and DON'T.  Your ignorance is
deafening.

PS:  Maybe you, Dan Quayle and Tipper Gore should do lunch together.  Maybe
they'll discover that you're their long-lost daughter, and together, you three
can help free the world of intelligence and freedom of speech.   Maybe you can
get Quayle to tutor you on your spelling.

5,000+ from the Minister of (pure) Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:57:55 GMT

>In article <1992Oct10.003018.17290@news.media.mit.edu>, ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes:
>> Whenever you hear rap in a commercial, usually aimed at little kids and
>> in some cheezy public service announcement, the rhythm is always dead
>> and lacking in attitude, the rapper sucks, the rhymes are contrived.
>> I suppose I should be happy about this, keeping quality rap out of
>> commercials, but why do you suppose this is true?  Does being an ad
>> executive automatically prevent you from producing a rap with good
>> flavor?
>> - evan

How ignorant are you? As you admit these ads are aimed at LITTLE KIDS. The majority of these kids will not be as captivated by a hard core rapper(with whom
they have little in common) when compared to something nice, easy, and 
understandable. 
And no, being an ad executive means knowing how to market a product 
for a target audience.

-- 
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 I represent the Univ. of Illinois. (Along with 50,000 others)===DISCLAIMER== * 

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Reply-To: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:22:01 GMT

"Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!"
                        -leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu

Such is the existence of the simpleminded.  In fact, much of the music
in the world of hip hop is too complicated for even the most talented
band.  (turn on Spaceballs The Flame Thrower).  Horseshit is, in fact,
what makes up the minds of those who insult what they know nothing 
about.  Often, horseshit taste quite good with a side of fries.  Now,
I would strongly suggest that you stay off of this newsgroup before
someone at that Alleged College of yours (or whatever it's called) who
reads this newsgroup decides to make you their main course.  I believe
everyone is entitled to voice their opinion no matter how different it
may be.  But I think it is stupid for someone to post his own
excrement.

                                                 ->Spice
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: SS
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:25:29 GMT
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct14.171050.25473@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, I write:
>There is a CD that has just Malcolm X speeches on it.  I fon't know the name
>of it, but I'll find out and let you know.  I remember seeing it once, but
>did not have the money or a CD player at the time.  I'll let you know.

Well, I went to the store where I saw the Malcolm X CD, and they were out of
it, but they said it was on re-order.  It was on the Black Label Inc. label,
and it was probably just called something like ,"The Speeches Of Malcolm X".
When they get it back in stock, I'll post an exact title.

K-Mello
SVHYGUY Productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Vanilla's Got A Boyfriend
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:47:19 GMT

Anyone catch Entertainment Tonight?  Well, our favorite rapper, Vanilla
Ice, is in a holding center up in Portland, Oregon for forgery and the use
of others people's credit cards.  My, how the mighty have fallen.

                                         T-Dub
                                         SHYGUY productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: sgnagni@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Steven Gnagni)
Subject: white men can't understand rap?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:07:26 GMT

Yo.

  You know, I've been reading most of the posts on alt.rap lately, and it
seems that this group is having some big debate on whether or not non-black
people can understand black (specifically rap) music.  I'm getting sort of
sick of this.
  
  I don't want this group to turn into an anti-(non-black) listener group. 
I've heard some flames already and I'd hate it if we got all separatist and
shit and I'd like to believe that we can work together and learn together. 
Maybe then we can help each other.  In music, or otherwise.

  The reason that I read this group is to learn about the newest in hip-hop
music.  I DJ a local radio show, one of the most prominent hip-hop shows in
the Chicagoland area, excepting rap-radio WJPC.  I grew up with the music, in
the neighborhood, and always will love the music.  If you want to flame me,
I'll just get up and go now.  I have other sources, you know.

  I believe that we all have things to offer each other, even if our "plight"
has not been the same.

  Any questions?

Steven Gnagni
DJ, WNUR-FM, Evanston, Chicago, the New Music FM
Student Consultant, Academic Computing and Network Services, Northwestern U.
sgnagni@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

Xref: sparky alt.rap:5171 alt.religion.kibology:4221
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: alt.rap
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:37:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.newbie,misc.test
Organization: me myself and i

In alt.rap, blackmon@eng.auburn.edu (Ferrol Rawson Blackmon) writes:
:
|FIRST OF ALL, FUCK YOU!!!! [...]
:
|STATEMENT AGAINST GANGS, FOOL!!!!!!!  IF YOU WEREN'T SO IGNORANT YOU WOULD READ
:
|GOT TO READ THEM CAREFULLY AND IF YOU ARE OPEN-MINDED YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND!!!!

B1FF???? IZ DAT U |)00|)??????

Tx. [!!!]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Music
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:56:43 GMT

In article <oB25RB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes:
>Is anybody out there into groups like Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, 
>Boogie Down Productions, Ice Cube, or Public Enemy? Right now, these 5 
>groups have to be my favorite. It is impossible to find anyone here in 
>E-Town who appreciate good music like this...most of the people I have 
>met are only into the gangsta rap, and if a record doesn't contain an 
>insult towards women or a certain number of swears, they don't listen to 
>it...
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

Boogie Down Productions is still my favorite hip hop group.  I like PE too. 
Ice Cube is alright, I think X-Clan's latest album was OK and I like a couple
songs from PRT, though on a whole, Wise Intelligent has a big mouth and needs
to be bought back down to Earth.  Anyone catch Rap City on BET last year where
he was trying to diss KRS with out mentioning him (right after the Live album
dropped) and diss Black Sheep by name?  Then about two weeks later on Dee
Barnes show, somewhat continued?  The way he came off just pissed me off....

                                            T-Dub
                                            SHYGUY productions
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Mark Morales...
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:04:08 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: UB


	I was just wondering...Mark Morales used to work with the Fat Boys 
back in the day...and I've seen his name on Father MC's albums as well as 
Mary J Blige's...So is Mark Morales also Prince Markie Dee (who also has an
album out - how is it) of the Fat Boys? 

-- 
Patrice Simon
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From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Hustler's Convention (was Re: Generic Shit)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:27:00 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand) writes:
:
| One of them [Last Poets] went solo in the beginning of the seventies.
| I think he called himself Lightning Rod and the record was called
| Hustler's Convention. He was backed up by Kool & the Gang playing
| their funky horns. Has anyone heard this record? Is it more like late
| seventies rap than The Last Poets albums?

Hustler's Convention appears on Volume 5 (?) of the Winley Super Disco
Brakes. I don't really know how to describe it more than you have:
spoken word with the horns in the back. I guess it's more akin to the
LP than 70s rap given that it is spoken word. It is sampled heavily on
some Melle Mel and the Furious Five track (possibly on their self
titled album, memory fails).

Tx.
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Vanilla's Got A Boyfriend
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:24:19 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <redmondd.718729906@unix1.tcd.ie>, redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>>of others people's credit cards.  My, how the mighty have fallen.
>                                                ^^^^^^
> What's this mighty business?
> 
> Judge Raz

He was being sarcastic... 
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From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Understanding Hip Hop
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <fedde.718651552@Minsk>, fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes...
>Madison J. Gray <34LI4E6@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> 
>>But in order to understand the black experience, you hav to have lived 
>>the black experience, and in most cases that means being black.
> 
>Man...are you saying whites cannot understand this music to the full length
>of it? What a load of crap, if that is what you mean! I have been listening
>to this type of music from its VERY, VERY start, and I love it so much, that
>when a dope beat comes on, it even seems to affect me physically sending wierd
>feelings over my body. I call that an experience of this music and I don't
>have to be black to feel it. 
> 

	Fredde, what I think he means is that since you're white, you
CAN NEVER KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE BLACK, and understand the
"black experience" fully.  THATS THE TRUTH, even if you dont believe that.
Since hip-hop music incorporates so much of being black, and it is 
primarily aimed for blacks, being white removes you one level, whether you
like it or not.  Its not a question of racism, though.  Sure, you can 
understand what they are saying in the lyrics, but some of it you cant
relate to because you just aint black!  Like, you cant ever know what
it feels like to be harrassed by whites and called "nigger" and shit.
But Im not saying you cant empathize with that.  And, of course, since
hip-hop is growing every minute, different types of rappers rap different
types of things (eg, House Of Pain) to appeal to a broader audience.

							       aMIL