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From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92  12:12:04

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: <Bz499s.3FI@news.iastate.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> >Marc I can't believe in your infinite wisdow that you couldn't come up with
> >the one word that explains this... MANAGEMENT.
>
>   The same management that gave us an Amiga 4000 with an IDE interface?

Yes,  the  management  that  gave us an Amiga 4000 ***TODAY*** instead of 2
months from now.  If they had stuck the SCSI-II onto the A4000, it probably
would not be OUT yet!  And it would have cost more when it did come out.  I
don't see *any* problem with the way they have handled this.  The IDE costs
almost  NOTHING  to  implement, thus A4000 buyers are saving quite a bit if
they  dont  need/care about SCSI-II.  For those that do, they can wait till
the  SCSI-II card comes out and wont be any worse off then if Commodore had
waited to release the A4000.

I think they did the right thing.

Not to mention that the SCSI-II card can also be used on the A3000.

> >Paul Ayotte.
>
> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

 -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-
 -AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Critter, Magnet, Major-and  that  the universe is-
 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
 --- Still limping along with AmigaOS 1.3  :(  ---like a toasted  tea  cake?-


--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jon.taylor@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (JON M. TAYLOR)
Subject: Re: Does the President have an email address?
Organization: The University of Utah
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:38:41 GMT

In article <db562s445.5d45@sycom.mi.org> db562s445@sycom.mi.org (Dave Birdsong) writes:
>From: db562s445@sycom.mi.org (Dave Birdsong)
>Subject: Does the President have an email address?
>Date: 11 Dec 92 00:09:52 GMT
>Does anyone the email address of the President of the USA?  
>I have a few things to talk to him about! ;-)    
>Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
>Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
>Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
>BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!
>If you don't like the USA then LEAVE and don't let the Door hit your A$$ on 
>the way out!!!
>as for helping the Baltic's... Who mad the USA the World's Police!

	I think this is PRECISELY why he does not, at least not one that is 
non-filtered.

	-Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:36:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.065344.12527@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>       CISC = COMPLICATED Instruction Set
>       RISC = REDUCED Instruction Set
>
>       Let's see who outperforms who: The 100 MIP Argo RISC vs
>                          the  33 MIP Blik CISC 
>

[ fabricated example of instruction sequences deleted ]

>       Okay, now of the two above routines, the RISC is running 3 times
>   faster but has to execute 5 times as many instructions, causing it to be
>   SLOWER than the CISC chip.
>
>       Is that understood?

Perfectly.  That's not the way it's done.

Nobody counts instructions to generate MIPS figures.  The way it's
usually done these days is to run the Dhrystone benchmark, and divide
the results by the performance of a VAX 11/780, a venerable 1-MIP (by
definition) machine from the past.  This means it's really
measuring the relative performance of doing something, not just
counting the number of instructions being executed.

Of course, Dhrystone is too simple to be a good benchmark; modern
compilers' optimizers can almost make the whole program go away.  The
correct benchmarks to use these days is Specmarks, which tries to
measure the performance of doing something really significant...
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Help me not to change computers!
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:12:40 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <Bz2F2y.9nv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>I often use 486-PCs, but none of the games I've tried has the feeling
>>you would require of an Amiga game. I friend of mine has recently sold
>>his 486 to get an Amiga 1200, in order to play better games.
>
>Care to list some of these rotten PC games?  Ultima Underworld?
>Wolfenstien?  Commander Keen?  Falcon 3.0?  Wing Commander?


Reread the portion of the post you quoted.  Does it say "rotten PC
games" ?  No.  It says there are better games on another platform.

It is not required that B be rotten for A to be better than B.


Reading Comprehension.  Its a good concept, you should check it out.


		andy
-- 
andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com

"Unix is the Operating System of the future, and always will be."

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ATTN: We're buying part of C=
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:43:34 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sat 12 Dec 92  5:45, Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N. Barret
wrote:

>We encourage all interested parties to participate with us 
>by purchasing CBU stock at the opening bell on December 
>17th.  

 BNB>    Why don't you just take your paychecks and light them with a
 BNB> match?

This is ridiculous!  Marc, this is getting out of hands!  Just shut up and
control yourself.  Now, those people WANT to buy something on the market,
they have the FREEDOM to do it, and you have NO RIGHT to oppose their adies
in such a fearceful manner.  If you would explain your reason, then you may
just get over with it, but this is just a BIG BAG OF BULLSHIT! (sorry
netters!)

Now, get yourself under control and STOP opening your mouth without
thinking.  You also scare my clients away with your talking, so I may well
sue you for damage.

Now just shut up, think about what you do and how, get control over
yourself and then finally decide what to do: either be here with us and do
a nice and good jog of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, otherwise get another
computer and change newsgrop.

Thanx.

 BNB> ---
 BNB> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:16:29 GMT

In article <jbickers.0l1j@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Dec6.001002.9514@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> by baltzebw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Bruce W. Baltzer):
>
>> >    have a lot of relatives there :), or to Canada. Or Europe, from a
>>                                              ^^^^^^
>> watch it!  it gets COLD here sometimes! :-)
>
>    Well, even that has curiosity value. I've never seen a decent
>    amount of snow right up close.

What?  In New Zealand?  It's cold enough - people go there for skiing
holidays!

If you don't think it's cold in N.Z., try living in tropical Far North
Queensland for a while...


-- 
David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: y88kenek@odalix.ida.liu.se (Kenneth Ekman)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:15:16 GMT

daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>It took about 2.5 years from concept to shipping for AGA.  Something 
>significantly more sophisticated might take longer, though part of AGA's problem
>was being based on the ECS chipset, at least in part.

Does that mean that the future low end chipset is not based on ECS and
that some of the stuff that was put into AGA just to stay compatible
with it will be removed in future chipsets?

>-- 
>Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
> "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
>		SCIENCE:	"I'll believe it when I see it"  
>		RELIGION:	"I'll see it when I believe it"

Kenneth Ekman - EE student at University of Linkoping, Sweden
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31728 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18798
From: henigma@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:40:58 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BzFJ12.597@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>Well, 8M of RAM by itself costs about as much as an Amiga that can multitask
>>games while downloading. I used to play "Tracers" while downloading on my
>>512K Amiga 1000.



Paul's Stupid Remark!!!!!:

> 
> Show me an Amiga for $370.00 US new.
> 

  Actually dickhead, an AMiga 600 is selling for $389 Cdn in my City!!!!!
An amiga 500 goes for $299 Cdn too!!!!

 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:30:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild
>speculation going, but this is the second time I've heard of such a thing. 
>Why would Microsoft do that? Wouldn't they do it for the Mac (yech) first?
>Is this just a wild idea or is it really true? Or what?

Let me make this very clear: MICROSOFT WILL NEVER AGAIN DEVELOP SOFTWARE FOR
THE AMIGA. Period.

At our last company meeting in the "King Dome" we were presented with a
slide showing some of the risks MS didn't take (ie: the real risks). On
this slide was listed development for Sun, NeXT and Amiga. Too bad, IMHO.
Bill managed to neglect what I consider to be the three finest desktop
platforms avaialble.

If we ever see NT for the Amiga it will be becuase CBM made a deal
with MS to develop it themselves, just like SGI.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:23:33 GMT

In article <BzKMB3.19v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

[ ]
>
>If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
>"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.

Most PC's only need 640k.
>
>An A500/A600 is a toy.

Hardly, it will run programs that many PC's can't handle due to the memory
hassles. The biggest hype around surrounds all these 486's and their fast 
hard drives, which for the most part are still running 8 bit software and
can't figure out which interrupts are taken.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>2) Wow, that WB 2.0 looks AWFUL.  Granted, I haven't actually used it, but
>from the screen shot, it looks SO primitive!  I guess it is the 4 colors only

For curositys sake:  which issue were you looking at?  The only one I have
with a picture of the 1200 is Jan '93, and I can't find a screen shot of
WB 2.0 anywhere.  I found some 'pseudo'-apps that claim to use the 'WB 2.0
look' (QB 5.0) but I can't find a good example of just plain WB 2.0.

For the record:  I use a PAL Workbench in 16 colors with a picture of
Ren and Stimpy as the background (the one where Ren is wearing the
Happy Helmet [tm] and stimpy has the controler).


And I use pal because I LIKE an extra 56/112 lines of resolution... :)

>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  


PS: if you wouldn't mind, could you shorten each line of you .sig one
character, it makes it hard to edit when it goes all the way to the 
edge of the screen. Thanks.

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:07:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.030707.19397@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <Bz85s7.DLK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>In article <jbickers.0l67@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>>>> more quickly than when funding for R&D at Commodore was far higher.  Again,
>>>> what has changed all of a sudden that this is possible?
>>>
>>>    Maybe CBM used to employ a fool like you, who has since been
>>>    replaced with this Lewis chap.
>>
>>   Call me a fool if you want, but I would not have put IDE into a high-end
>>over-$3000 computer like the A4000.
>
>Okay, you are a fool.
>
>In your last article, you were saying that the A3000's SCSI would have
>been okay for an under $3000 computer.  Now you are calling the A4000
>an over-$3000 computer.  If you are going to make ridiculous statements,
>at least try to be consistent in your inaccuracy.

   The list price is well over $3000, but the street prices are just under 
$3000.  

>I purchased my A4000 a month ago for significantly less than $3000, and
>the retail is going to drop even further in the coming months.  As usual,
>you are basing your arguments on your flawed perception of the world.
>Here is a little hint: Commodore did not design the A4000 as a high-end
>computer and they don't expect people to believe that it is.  The fact
>that it is a very nice machine due to the AGA chipset, 040, and other
>factors does not mean that it is high-end.  Compared to previous Amigas,
>it may be upscale, but it is nothing next to the machines coming down
>the pipeline.  

   Will the price of the A4000 drop below $1500 anytime in the foreseeable
future?  That is where I draw the line between whether an Amiga system should
have SCSI or IDE.  IDE is adequate for Amiga priced below $1500, but Amigas
priced above $1500 should have SCSI. 

>And don't you dare try to take that as a complaint from me about the A4000,
>you little weasle.  I like the machine very much and would recommend it
>over the A3000 or A2000 to anyone wanting an expandable Amiga.  Unlike you,
>I have the ability to see the positive aspects of new products from C= and
>do what I can to support it instead of bitching about everything.

   Will you be buying the A3090 SCSI II card?  If so, why?  I am just 
wondering, because you are the only one who actually believes that Commodore
did the right thing by using IDE in the A4000.

>Have a rotten Xmas asshole.
>
>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Ignore Barrett
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:42:09 GMT

In article <BzBJz7.C95@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Lozinski) writes:
|> Since this guy (Marc Barrett) is so annoying and pissing everybody off,
|> what do you all say if we just ignore him since we can't get rid of him.

I'm STILL trying to figure out how to create a kill file for XRN.

Someone please help!

|> -lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
|> "If I wanted to listen to an ASSHOLE, I would've farted!"
|> 
|> ^_ Marc, I think there might be a hint there. -^

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Alpha Amigas: HUH?! Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:37:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.080112.10553@usl.edu>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>People on this group talk about a 'RISC' Amiga, or 'Alpha' Amiga.
>Isn't an Amiga defined by AmigaDOS and the extensive use of the
>graphics chips??

What's preventing anyone from porting AmigaDOS and using proprietary
graphics hardware?

>With NT or whatever, wouldn't this shoot to hell WHAT the label
>on the computer says?

Nah, ubiquity has its merits as well. The label on the computer often
denotes 'video production', 'game machine' or 'non-standard'. NT wouldn't
necessarily eliminate these stigmas, but it would open up tremendous
possibilities. And NT applications would fill some major holes in the
software base for those inclined to use them.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Bus Standards
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:12:44 GMT

In article <BzH3sF.15s@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>At what price?  First there was the higher fiscal price, which brought
>reduced sales, which brought  reduced applications to those platforms
>that supported all this whiz bang technology before the market was
>ready for it.

There was a market long before the PC became prevalent. The difference is,
in the past 4 million machines was unfathomable. Today, 100 million
machines constitutes a viable user base. Should we simply banish all
the peripheral machines and standardize with a single platform? Some
of these marginal platforms have contributed more to computing than
most are willing to admit.

>Now the market is ready for it in a BIG WAY and PCs are
>incorporating it IN A BIG WAY.  Multimedia is not just a PC buzzword.

A few years ago, colour, games and multimedia were thought of as gratuitous
in the PC market. It's not a question of the market being ready for
anything, it's a question of whether it generates revenue. Tell me
that multimedia CD-ROM support for Lotus 123 is not a blatant attempt
to jump on the bandwagon. All praise the mighty buck.

>Within the next year there will be more money spent on PC multimedia
>then there has been on Amiga multimedia in it's entire lifespan.  I
>can't prove it, because those kind of statistics are seldom compiled,
>but it can be proven through observation.

Does this surprise you? We're dealing with an economy of scale. For
example, the corporate revenue generated by CBM in the last 10 years is
equivalent to what IBM invested in OS/2. 

>>The 'people' I see complaining almost exclusively amount to one
>>individual. Of course we all want great applications, but everything
>>is ultimately a tradeoff.

>No, it is not just Marc Barrett.  He complained about tax programs and
>wordperfect...

I wasn't inferring this of course.

>but there was a science scholar who has a PC to run TeX or
>scientific word

Who also consistently clarifies that AmigaTeX is an excellent product.

>and another guy that said he had a PC to run astronomy
>programs.

It's not like there aren't any available on the Amiga.

>And I don't know how many "closet" PC users there are here!

And you probably assume that all Amiga users have limited knowledge of
the PC market, and yet virtually all of us either own or work with them
on a continual basis.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga
From: fwong@bnr.ca (Frank Wong)
Subject: 1084 MONITOR V-HOLD ??? HELP !!!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:56:22 GMT

 
 Subject:    1084 MONITOR V-HOLD ???

Hi fellow Amigos ,


My 1084 monitor is scrolling horizontal lines vertically off the screen when 
I use the composite input.  Like a bad TV picture.
I use the composite input sometimes hooked up to my vcr to watch movies,
when I'm not using my Amiga for a computer.
There does not seem to be a V-HOLD knob on the monitor and I have tried all the
knobs on the outside of the monitor.

How can I adjust the V-HOLD, as my monitor is now useless for composite input.
I have opened the monitor and looked inside for things to adjust, but I am not
an expert in hardware and don't really know where to look.

A few questions for you hardware experts :

How Do I adjust the V-HOLD ? Is it easy enough for me to do myself ?
Could someone email me instructions on how to do this.

If I cannot adjust the V-HOLD myself, can my monitor be repaired ?
Where should I take it for repairs ? Joe's TV repair shop or Commodore.
 How much do you think it will cost ?


Thanks in advance for any help,

Frank Wong


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