HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alberter@untadh.enet.dec.com (Ludwig Alberter)
Subject: Re: American Football Over Seas Question
Reply-To: alberter@untadh.enet.dec.com (Ludwig Alberter)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Muenchen
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:03:39 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.093437.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

I read through this group because it's usually a small amount of
posts.  As I've read I've been astonished at the talk of leagues
in other countries.  Is American Style Football that popular over
seas?  And approximatley how many countries have leagues and if
possible how long (I saw a post about the 13th or 14th championship
bowl game in germany)?


Yes - you've heard right - there is American Football Over Seas!

Talking about popularity, it's still a minor sport. In Germany, the good games
of the premier league (Bundesliga) would pull some thousands of people into 
the stadiums, but even the final championship game would call 10000 sold tickets
as a big success. I'm not sure what the counts for other European leagues are,
but it would surprise me if their attendance is significantly larger.

The American Football in Europe is amateur sports - some teams have semi-
professionals on their roster. Those guys are mostly U.S. Boys that probably 
have part-time jobs in the army. Most of the German Bundesliga teams have 
head coaches and assistants from USA - some did coach US college teams before
and just like to have an easier job here in Europe before they retire... ;)

Here is a list of European nations that have American Football played in 
nation-wide leagues, as far as I know them; there could be more. Most of them 
are older than 10 years. The national champions will play for a European 
championship, the Euro-Bowl.

	GREAT BRITAIN
	THE NETHERLANDS
	FRANCE
	ITALY
	FINLAND
	SWEDEN
	NORWAY
	BELGIUM
	AUSTRIA
	SWITZERLAND
	GERMANY

Other countries, like RUSSIA, HUNGARY and CZECHOSLOVAKIA have single teams
that do exhibition games against other European teams.


Does this answer everything? Feel free to ask for more info.


 
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regards,
Ludwig

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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: American Football Over Seas Question
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:20:40 GMT
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In <1992Oct2.093437.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> I read through this group because it's usually a small amount of
> posts.  As I've read I've been astonished at the talk of leagues
> in other countries.  Is American Style Football that popular over
> seas?  And approximatley how many countries have leagues and if
> possible how long (I saw a post about the 13th or 14th championship
> bowl game in germany)?

Don't get too excited about gridiron 'ball and Europe. The sport attracts
crowds for WLAF & NFL exhibition games because it is American - little else.
But there certainly are lots of would-be fans who are curious and like to give
football a try sometimes. What's lacking is grassroots support for the sport:
nobody plays it at school, there's virtually no equipment available unless you
order it through the national Am.Football associations or the States. Diehard
fans are also rare, at least here in Finland.
 
> Thanks
> 
> -- no sig necessary --
>        Aza

MARCU$
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ARCHIVE STATS
Keywords: ftp archive
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Quick interruption:  could someone e-mail me on how to use the ftp
archive process (specifically for wustl.archive).  Thanx in advance.

Jonny B.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: alberter@untadh.enet.dec.com (Ludwig Alberter)
Subject: German Bowl XIV - October 3, Hannover
Reply-To: alberter@untadh.enet.dec.com (Ludwig Alberter)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Muenchen
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:00:03 GMT



The 14th GERMAN BOWL, the national championship final of the American Football
Bundesliga will be held at Saturday, October 3, 19:00 (CET) at the Hannover
Niedersachsen-stadium. 

The final opponents are

	DUESSELDORF PANTHER    and    MUNICH COWBOYS

Duesseldorf, champion of 1983, 1984, and 1986, advanced to the final with a win
over last years champion Berlin Adler (31-28 OT). Munich, in the league since 
1979, never reached a final game before, won their semi-final against the 
Cologne Crocodiles, last years vice-champion, by a touchdown for the score of
23-16 with 4 seconds left.

The Panthers have two former world league players on their roster: Andreas 
Motzkus and Gerald Olzewski returned home from the Frankfurt Galaxy.


--

regards,
Ludwig

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From: marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: Footbal Over Seas...Over U.S.A.!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:33:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Oct5.191224.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cebp01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>Sean was born and brought up in Glasgow, Scotland and played football for the
>Glasgow Lions [Coca-Cola Bowl Champions 1992]. He was spotted by a Giamts scout

Hmmmm, I believe they were DIVISION 2 champions in 1992, I think you'll
find the Coca-Cola Bowl Champions were the London Olympians, who won a
sad final over the Panthers. The real final for matchups was the semis
where London pipped Nottingham in a great game.

Admittedly Glasgow shouldnt have been in Division 2 because of thier
quality but they weren't exactly saintly when it came to the following
the rules.

Glasgow are a very good team,but they aint going to win Division 1 for
sometime, although i'm glad they are back even though it only makes the
Northern Division that much harder!

Marc

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From: cebp01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Footbal Over Seas...Over U.S.A.!!!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:12:24 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Yes for all of you football fans!.......

As if you did not know, football has been going on for quite a number of years 
here across the sea's.

College football is also popular in Britain with Strathclyde University the
team to beat!

Our Semi-pro league's are also very popular with certain teams boasting some
ex-pro NFL players and some present CFL players.

But it is not alll just one way traffic!. Numerous players from Britain have
won scholarships to play football in America viz. Sean Airlie at Oregon.
Sean was born and brought up in Glasgow, Scotland and played football for the
Glasgow Lions [Coca-Cola Bowl Champions 1992]. He was spotted by a Giamts scout
who informed the college.

Victor Ebubedike [R.B. London Monarchs and ex-London Ravens] tried out for the
N.Y. Jets two seasons ago.

The Great Britain junior squad is due to return from WI after an outstanding
win over Team U.S.A.

Mick Luckhurst {Know to many British viewers and Falcons fans} was born and
brought up in England and went on to kick for the Falcons.

Morten Andersen................another non-American

Christian Okoye................another non-American

So I put it to you fellow football buddies, not all the best players are
American these days!.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: jgould@adobe.com (Jim Gould)
Subject: STAT FOOTBALL LEAGUE (SFL)
Organization: Adobe
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:23:57 GMT

Here are the standings from the SFL after 5 weeks

NFC                    W   L
===================================
COPS WANT DONUTS       4   1
Sugar Long Bombs       3   2
Green Machine          3   2
Skankadelics           3   2
S.W.A.T.               2   3
Budmeisters            0   5

AFC                    W   L
===================================
SEEK & DESTROY         5   0        STATBOWL I Champions
J&J Sissies            3   2
O' Town Posse          2   3
48ers                  2   3
Endzoners              2   3
Lambs                  1   4

WEEK #6
===================================
Cops Want Donuts @ SEEK & DESTROY
Sugar Long Bombs @ J&J SISSIES
Green Machine @ O' TOWN POSSE
Skankadelics @ 48ERS
S.W.A.T. @ ENDZONERS
Budmeisters @ LAMBS

Watch for SPORT STAT NEWS...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 27-Sep
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:11:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1aae86INN277@gap.caltech.edu>, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
> Here are my computer rankings through the week ending 27-Sep-92.
>... 
> I welcome comments and suggestions.

> 21   Wisconsin                 79.191   2-1-0  78.421  ( 15,  82.627)  -6
...
> 23   Arizona_State             78.772   1-2-0  85.029  ( 17,  80.395)  -6
> 24   Utah                      78.400   2-1-0  72.929  ( 74,  67.544)  +50
> 25   Purdue                    78.078   1-2-0  81.185  ( 11,  84.052)  -14
...
> 29   Colorado                  77.026   4-0-0  66.435  ( 44,  73.401)  +15
> 30   Ohio_State                76.980   3-0-0  68.880  ( 30,  77.320)  +0

	Physician, heal thy algorithms.
                       
Brett                                                      
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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Glenn Tanner Outdoors (was Re: SMU defeats TCU, eyes Cotton)
Keywords: Look! My name in lights!
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:33:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.163356.13676
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>>Glenn Tanner writes:
>>>SMU, which now has a share of the SWC lead,was adamant about not relinquishing
>>it.  "We've got to go to Waco next week, so we're already thinking about the
>>>Baylor Bears," defensive lineman Kenny "Sugar" Rea said.  "But we've got A&M
>>>coming to our place in a game which will mean Cotton.  We really think we can
>>>beat them.  We think they're the worst Top 5 team in the country."
>>>
>>>GT
>>
>>
>>Oh no, here we go again.  A&M the worst top 5 team in the country???   
>				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Granted SMU is the second best team in the SWC  (of course A&M is best), but
>>they have the Heisman candidate, and you know how we like those.  Dandy dan 
>>better tone it down if SMU wants to win.
>>
>>Go Aggies
>
>Congrats GLENNY T!!!
>
>I presume you have a space cleared over the mantle for Robert 'the lunker' 
>Lightweight, right?

No, he's an Aggie.  I'll have to throw him back.

GT

>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!	|     "Keep yer hands off my Mother-figger,
>GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!    |      brother-figger!"
>James Clyde  LSU '91    |    			-- Ernest T. Bass
>
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Wisconsin at Iowa
Date: 6 Oct 1992 23:10:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct5.172317.3434@doug.cae.wisc.edu> tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau) writes:
>Am I the only one who feels that Wisconsin at Iowa this week will be
>tougher than Ohio at Wisconsin?  
   
   Nope. I had a very good feeling about Bucky's chances going into
   the OSU game (I even picked UW, believe it or not :) Playing at Iowa
   will be tough. I think this game will go a long way in showing if this
   Badger team is for real. My gut feeling is that UW will keep it fairly
   close (beat the spread), but find a way to lose. The Badgers are very
   talented, but very young and Fry seems to have some mystical powers 
   over Wisconsin. I think it's been about 25 years since UW beat Iowa.

>Wisconsin will have to play no mistake football I think to win in Iowa
>City.  Eliminate the penalties, make smart passes, and don't make
>turnovers.  
   
   I think they could afford one or two mistakes (turnovers) at the most.

   --salty
From: s243ap@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Dean Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Attn:  CAL WEENIES!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:08:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley

The true lyrics to the U$C fight song are:

That, is the only song you know
It's boring and it's slow
We really wish you'd go

This was invented by our mic-man, Ken Montgomery, and was first sung
at the Cal U$C game last year, in which the glorious Golden Bears
thrashed the condoms 52-30.  


Go Bears!!
  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: steinse@eng.auburn.edu (Scott E. Steinbrink)
Subject: njan
Reply-To: steinse@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:18:19 GMT

As an alum of U. Colorado, Boulder, I say, without hesitation,

	"K.S. Manu is a dork."

Scott Steinbrink
WAR BUFFALO!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: landay+@cs.cmu.edu (James A Landay)
Subject: Re: FSU vs. well,...you know who.
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:04:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.231832.3737@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu
>It most certainly does...think about it. UCLA doesnt seem to be in any real
>danger of losing the rest of the way. Who knows, maybe we will get a real NC
>this year after all!
>

Are you so sure about this?  Excluding U-dub last year, it is not common
for the Pac10 winner to be undefeated in conference...  





-- 

James A. Landay
landay@cs.cmu.edu
From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 27-Sep
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:10:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:

>Here are my computer rankings through the week ending 27-Sep-92.

>Washington remains #1 with Michigan and Notre Dame moving up after big
>wins.  Miami's 1 point win dropped them from #3 to #14.  They will have
>an opportunity to move back up again if they do well in the FSU game.

>My rankings were a dismal 13-27-1 against the spread for a season total
>of 82-73-3.  My best 3 picks against the spread were 2-1 for a season
>total of 11-1.  I had a good week in Chris Stassens pool at 771.68 but
>Sagarin and Gupta beat me again.

Sorry I forgot to include my record in picking winners.  I was 27-16
in games between Div. I-A teams for a season total of 119-51-5.

Kevin
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Re: MICH: 60 something HOUSTON:7
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:37:19 GMT

lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson) writes:

>Did anybody else love it as much as I did when Michigan went for it on
>4th down _3_ times in the 4th quarter?  I was hoping that they would have
>the ball with like 5 seconds left so that they could throw a bomb into the
>endzone.  I was also disappointed that I didn't see a post-game interview
>with Jenkins.  I wanted to see him cry and complain that Michigan ran up
>the score on them.  Wah, wah....  What an asshole...

Actually, that's about the only good thing I can say about Jenkins:  he
has no problems with *anybody* running up a score, even if they're doing
it to him.  The way he sees it, it's the opponents job to stop him from
scoring, and his job to stop them.  If they want to keep scoring, and he
can't stop him, he figures that's his problem.  I read his postgame comments
after Illinois nailed him last year, hoping for some good old fashioned
whining, but he would have none of it.  He's a jerk all right, but at
least he's a consistent one.



					Al
					alan@wraith.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:03:39 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: #1 Washington vs #2 Penn State
 <92277.212850RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <BvnrEq.Aqn@encore.com>
 <92279.183301RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92279.183301RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>Penn State now must face No. 2 Miami, No. 22 Boston College, No. 25 West
>Virginia (all undefeated teams) and No. 14 Notre Dame........the easiest
>battle will be against Miami 'cause it's at home...PENN STATE IS A
>MUCH DIFFERENT TEAM IN THE HAPPY VALLEY!!!!!!...The 3 road games will be
>serious tests.                                      -Snof

Being in Happy Valley has nothing to do with it.  They are a great team when
the BLUE BAND is with them, and simply good without it.  I'm worried about
Notre Dame, just like I was about the (Blue Band-less) games at Miami and
USC last year.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: parker@cac.washington.edu (Michael Parker {IS})
Subject: Washington's Football Schedule 
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:43:16 GMT


FYI,

Here is the University of Washington's football schedule (as requested)


October 3		USC
October 10		California
October 17		@Oregon
October 24		Pacific
October 31		Standford
November 7		@Arizona
November 14		Oregon State
November 21		@Washington State
January 1		@Rose Bowl ?


Go Dawgs!

Michael Parker

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University of Washington
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From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marshall Faulk
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:04:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <BvoAsC.BE6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum) writes:
>Can someone please tell me his stats for the game over the weekend?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Scott
>
>Glynn Milburn (Sp?) of Stanford really impressed me.  Maybe if Faulk
>falters ?
>

Marshall rushed for 200 yds on 25 carries....

Valdis




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:03:12 GMT

 In article <1992Sep27.035736.21120@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
WAHOO@VIRGINIA.EDU writes:
 >In the ACC today Virginia (4-0) beat Duke 55-28.
 >Clemson lost to Georgia Tech 16-20.
 >Last week Virginia had clobbered the Yellow Jackets 55-24.
 >So Virginia is better than Clemson and Clemson almost beat FSU.
 >Final Conclusion: Cavaliers are number one in the nation.
 >Ofcourse, I have assumed Miami would be kicked out of the top ten 
 >after today's "win". And Washington never belonged there.
 >
 
	You EEDIOT, you bloated sack of protoplasm, I'll never be able
to appease the woof gods now.

	Well, here goes (dons robe of the high priest of UVa
anti-woofing) I fear that Wake Forest will defeat us, they have a
really solid defense.

	Whew, that might do it.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Virginia Football 
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Keywords: Not Yet... 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.052613.26336@ncsu.edu> delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW ) writes:
>
>I didn't see the game, but it seems that the Cavs put a real hurting
>on Tech. I wonder if they ran up the score to pad their numbers?
>I know they did against Navy. I mean, was it neccessary for Goodman
>to throw *5* TD passes to beat the hapless Middies? I don't think so.
>Just my 2 cents.

No way. George Welsh would *never* run up the score on an opponent.
In fact, he tries everything not to. He talked about this on his
coaches show after the Navy game. He said that you can't just send
a quarterback in and tell him to hand off each down - you have to
run your offense and work on plays to prepare for the times when the game
is tight. Also, Goodman was pulled when it was 48-0 and he sent
in Symion Willis. Welsh said that when you have a young backup
quarterback, you have to let him get some experience running the
offense and that means letting him throw. He said Virginis never 
talks about "winning big" or running up the score, but just tries
to run their normal offense and win. He says he feels this is correct
(and I agree) and he hopes other coaches understand.




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NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: 128a-1fb@web-4a.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal 42, Oregon St. 0
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:11:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-4a.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct04.173857.5724@CS.ORST.EDU> paasch@engr.cs.orst.edu (Bob Paasch) writes:
>In article <1am0inINN9o5@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

> Huskies a run for their money.  With Arizona's win last night, the 
> idea of two undefeated Pac 10 teams is pretty slight, but I think both
> Cal and Stanfurd are capable of upsetting UW.  Doesn't UW play the trees
> in Palo Alto?  I'd say Stanfurd showed yesterday they can play with
> anybody.  Then again, maybe ND is showing what they are really made of. 
> They have yet to beat anyone with a winning record.

Sorry but Udub plays no games in California this year hopefully Cal can pull
that upset and finally get the respect the deserve up in Seatle but it would
be tough..  We are going to have a hard time breaking that top 20 without 
beating Udub... GO BEARS !!!!

I think I can smell roses 

William Hackett < Cal to Rose Bowl?? Texas to Cotton?? > I can dream