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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Commenting on Student papers...with computers.
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Date:          Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:22:00 EDT
From:          IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Dan Quigley (dquigley)
Message-Id:    <1992Aug30.192200.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:       Commenting on Student papers...with computers. (1194 chars) (1)
Organization:  Department of English, New York Institute of Technology
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I had not thought much  about the implications of the NeXt demonstration of
orally implanted comments because we don't have the capability at NYIT and so
won't have the chance to do it.  In the past, I have often found one on one
conferencese where I read through a student's paper for the first time with
the student right there very helpful.  They get to see how a reader
(unfortunatley in these cases that reader was me and not another student)
works through a paper.

I have also done alot of commenting on student drafts using the computer to
insert my comments onto their files.  One of the benefits of this that I
haven't read here is that my comments become "removable."  If students are
going to ignore my comments, I certainly want them to at least keep the draft
of the paper they wrote.   By inserting comments into their paper, they can
delete me when they want, using what suggestions they find most helpful.
Since the first draft at least has some of the work of the final draft done
for them, they are more inclined to revise these computer files then they
seemed to be to re-write and re-type a hard copy.

Quig

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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:53:32 EDT
From:         David Sewell <dsew@TROI.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU>
Subject:      On-line collaborative lit?

I'm trying to work up an article on the Usenet Oracle as an example of
computer-mediated collaborative writing, and for background I would like
to find out as much as possible about other forms of on-line
collaboration.  I am familiar with several categories that probably fall
in this purview:

  1) Classroom writing software (InterChange & other ENFI programs)
  2) E-mail or conference "never-ending stories"
     Examples: NYIT's "Story-Round" conference on CoSy (collaborative
                 fiction)
               Usenet groups alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo and
		 alt.pub.dragons-inn (ongoing fictions w/ sci-fi
		 and sword & sorcery roots, respectively)
  3) BBS (and other?) storyboard software (like category #2, only
      the software automates posting and gathering).

I'm most interested in examples of categories #2 and #3, and
particularly in any software or communal projects in which authors are
anonymous either by design or by convention.  My sense is that these
kinds of collaborations have been common on the WELL and other
commercial on-line services, but so far I haven't tracked them down.  If
you know of or have participated in anything like this I'd like to hear
from you.

Thanks,
David S.
--
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us upon that of Homer."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |     --Diogenes the Cynic
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:17:00 EST
From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: essential writing books

Wes:  The books I'd recommend have aeady been mentioned.  But I'd like to
request that you post the results of your "survey."  How many of us like
what?  And I'd be curious as to what you finally choose.

I'm reminded of the old "If you were on a desert island . . . " game.
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Why is Murphy Brown more interesting/important than Ice T?

John Slatin
UT Austin
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:35:02 CDT
From:         Wes Chapman <WESCHAP@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: essential writing books

Joel:  I certainly will post the final results when it seems like they're
all in. So far everything has come in to the list,so you're seeing the choices
in real time.  Thanks to everyone who has responded so far, and thanks in
advance to those who will respond in the future.  Interesting responses so far,
no least because there seems to be fairly widespread agreement about a number
of texts.
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Subject:      RE: small library

Don't forget Williams' _Style, 10 Lessons in Clarity and Grace_.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:10:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Re: Using NeXt computers (727 chars) (2)

Date:          Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:24:54 EDT
From:          IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Dan Quigley (dquigley)
Message-Id:    <1992Aug25.112454.2.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:       Re: Using NeXt computers (727 chars) (2)
Organization:  Department of English, New York Institute of Technology
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As I think Rob Royar mentioned earlier this summer somewhere in this journal,
there was a real knockout demonstration of the NeXt at Computers and Writing in
Indy.  One of the "tools" the school--I believe Allegheny college, but Rob can
verify that--created was a "commenting" function for teachers using voice.
Teachers  would read through a student's file on disk and highlight a passage
to comment on.  They would then pick up a mike and say what they wanted the
student to hear about the passage.  The passage would stay highlighted{_, and
when the student re-read the paper on disk and clicked on the highlighted
passage, the student would hear the recorded message of the teacher.  Quite a
demo, really.

Quig

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From:         Lili Velez <lv08+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: literacy, orality, & NeXT (*MBU*) (2)

Hmmmn.  There's a group here at CMU who are working with Macintoshes and
oral/written commentary inserted into online documents.  I'll see if I can
 get any of the research group to enter this conversation.

When commenting on student papers, I usually write rather chatty comments on
early drafts, trying to encourage futher elaboration of ideas, consideration
of alternatives, etc... I'm not sure that talking to my students from the
margins (especially considering the amount of K that would eat, and the
likelihood that few schools (and fewer students) would have the ability
to own such machines), would be a significant improvement for either teacher
or students.
Lili     lv08@andrew.cmu.edu
Now appearing in the Design Department...
"Rhet with a T-square"?!!
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:07:02 EDT
From:         michael marx <mmarx@SKIDMORE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: literacy, orality, & NeXT
              at Aug 28, 92 1:11 pm

To add my experiences. . .  in our developmental writing classes, we
have long used tap recorded comments to the students papers.  I have
shared some of the apprehensions the discussion has raised about how
oral comments fit in a writing environment.  My students would second
David's comments about attempting to revise with taped comments.  One
point I would add  about orally recorded (NeXT or otherwise) comments
is that I think they detract from the students critical reading
skills.  I find that in their future classes, students used to taped
feedback have difficulty deciphering written comments.  They are
unable to prioritize suggestions and criticism that may be more
evident in oral comments through repetition and intonation.  Given the
important cognitive connections between reading and writing, I think
taped comments may create a gap here rather than bridge one.
	I saw the Allegheny College demonstration of NeXT at a
National Peer Tutoring Conference several years ago.  Yes, the new
technology was an exciting innovation on an old trick.  But I also
felt it might be an improvement since it allows for oral comments to
occur within the text.  The student rereads and can listen.  It's not
as dynamic as Interchange, but it's a step in the right direction.
	As I face another semester of Devlopmental Writing, I'm still
not sure if I will follow the tradition of providing tape recorded
responses.  However, I do know I will devote class time to responding
critically to comments.

Michael Marx
Skidmore College
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:47:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Commenting or conferencing (6)

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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:00:02 EDT
From:         IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug29.150002.2.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Commenting or conferencing (6)
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Wes Chapman mentioned that he could no longer conference with his students
about their papers now that he teaches three courses [per semester] ("RE:
literacy, orality, & NeXT (*MBU*) (5)" in C&CDv6.246).  Our normal NYIT load is
five courses.  Basic writing is limited to 18 students; all other comp
courses are limited to 23; and lit courses are limited to 60.  I often have 120
or more students per semester writing 6-8 papers each.  Written comments are
usually out of the question--just do the math on the total and you get over 16
hours per week of paper grading (assuming you never spend more than 15 minutes
on a paper and assuming the papers all come in in an orderly fashion). Add to
this 20 hours for class time and office prep time and that leaves four hours
for "professional development and committee service".  It also assumes that the
prep time is spent only preparing for classes (i.e. no students need to see you
in that time, and that you can transport to class instantaneously--not always
possible on our 900 acre campus).  So what's my point?

In this climate I've practically abandoned written comments (except for
occasional end comments) in favor of conferences.  The death of our school's
copier repair contracts, has also reduced my handout use.  But I've slowed down
my presentation pace and use public speaking ploys to help my students take
better notes.  Funny thing is they seem to remember more now that they are
writing what they hear me say rather than reading what I've written.  I also
get more questions about assignments and their work than when the course was
full of written comments and handouts.

Of course your mileage may vary.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The average voter doesn't view himself as articulate, so I
    think they can understand the President."
                                                  -- Bob Teeter
                                                     Bush Campaign Manager

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From:         BECKY RICKLY <00RJRICKLY@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Comments and Conferences

Can we generalize about comments on papers being useful when there
are so many different KINDS of comments teachers make?  Rick Straub
at FSU gave a presentation about the kinds of comments students
claimed to find helpful (the presentation was at Penn State, I
believe).  A colleague talked about personality type (as measured
by Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) and how personality preferences
indicated what kind of comments people preferred.  Can we dismiss
ALL comments?  And do we measure success by students' perceptions
(as Rick did) or by a quantifying some kind of results ourselves?

Jus' wondering...

Becky Rickly
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From: marc@rutcor.rutgers.edu (Marc Breitfeld)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: U2 ticket for sale Aug 29 Yankee Stadium
Summary: U2 ticket for sale Aug 29 at Yankee Stadium
Keywords: U2 ticket
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:44:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

One U2 ticket for the show on Aug 29 at Yankee Stadium for sale for $35
(original sales price).

Please email or call (908)819-9267, Marc.
From: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Apartment for rent
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:27:12 GMT
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Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu


		
Forgive me if this is a repeat.	


				FOR RENT


3 Bedroom, 2 full Baths, living room, dining room, eat-in-kitchen 
on two floors in the Upper unit of an owner occupied 2-family 
house in Stirling, NJ.

Stirling is in Passaic Township, between Berkeley Hieghts and Basking Ridge.

Walking distance to train and
	approx. 4 mi. from I-78 (Gillette/Watchung/Plainfields exit-40).

Master bedroom has skylights and walk-in closets

Washer/Dryer connections (nego. to include actual washer/dryer)

House on an approx 1/2 acre fenced level lot.

Wall to wall carpeting

NO SMOKERS, NO DRUGS, NO DOGS/CATS

Available Oct. 1

$1100 + 1 1/2 mo. security deposit

Call (908) 604-8449 or e-mail to sylvia@teak.njit.edu 
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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
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Subject: Re: WANTED: Good home for a St. Bernard
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:06:18 GMT
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X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <1992Aug28.234155.22904@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, Greg Tusar writes:
>I am looking for a good home for my 5 year old St. Bernard.
>
>She's a spayed, 5 year old, 140 lb female. She is VERY affectionate and
>loyal, and comes from an excellent pedigree (was the mother and
>descendant of many champions). 
whoever you got her from may want her back.  many breeders prefer to take 
their dogs back, if the buyer can't keep them, rather than seeing the
dog go to someone they don't know.  please call the breeder and find out.

-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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From: johnson@tigger.jvnc.net (Steven L. Johnson)
Subject: Pager recommendation wanted (900mhz?)
Originator: johnson@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:38:03 GMT

I'm dissappointed with my current beeper, a 35mhz variety.  I'm missing
too many pages.  It seems overly susceptible to interference from
computers or telephone switching equipment.  900mhz pagers have been
reccommended for increased building penetration and reduced
susceptibility to interference.  Unfortunately my pager company does
not have 900mhz extended down to the Princeton/Trenton area, so its
time to switch.

For now I just need a simple numeric beeper with coverage from NYC
to Philadelphia including most of New Jersey.  Coverage and reliability
much more important than price.  Ability to expand coverage and
alphanumeric capabilities desireable but not immediately necessary.

Pagenet seems to fit the 900mhz coverage requirements.  Any comments,
suggestions, recommendations, or alternatives are appreciated.  Post
or email and I'll summarize if there is interest.

-Steve
 steve@johnson.jvnc.net
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From: gregt@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Greg Tusar)
Subject: WANTED: Good home for a St. Bernard
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:41:55 GMT

I am looking for a good home for my 5 year old St. Bernard.
It is heartbreaking to have to put her up for adoption, but
my wife is expecting, and our 4 other dogs and 8 cats
are already too much to handle during the day. 

She's a spayed, 5 year old, 140 lb female. She is VERY affectionate and
loyal, and comes from an excellent pedigree (was the mother and
descendant of many champions). 

Ideally, I would like to find an owner who has had Saints before, or
at least a large dog. You will need a run, or at least a fenced in
back yard (with a tall fence). ``Rufus'' would like to find someone
who is home often, and who will take her for car rides, etc..

I'm not asking for a lot of money, just a small donation to
ensure that the new owner is serious.

If you are interested, please give me a call, or send email:

	(908) 580-0102			work
	(908) 766-6996			after hours
	gregt@warren.mentorg.com	email

-- 
In ten years, computers will just be bumps in cables.
        - Gordon Bell (noted 11 Feb 1990)
Greg Tusar  // Mentor Graphics, IC Group // gregt@Warren.MENTORG.COM 
Ma Bell - (908) 580-0102
-- 
In ten years, computers will just be bumps in cables.
        - Gordon Bell (noted 11 Feb 1990)
Greg Tusar  // Mentor Graphics, IC Group // gregt@Warren.MENTORG.COM 
Ma Bell - (908) 580-0102
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From: hgp@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (howard.page)
Newsgroups: nj.misc,nj.wanted
Subject: Wanted: recommendation for paving contractor in Monmouth County
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:58:25 GMT
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Does anyone know of a good paving contractor in Monmouth County?

Thanks!


Howard G. Page

Howard G. Page   AT&T Bell Laboratories   hgp@neural.att.com   +1 908 949-7077
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From: douglis@MITL.COM (Fred Douglis)
Subject: central NJ alarm co. recommendations wanted
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory
Distribution: nj
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:05:11 GMT

If anyone in the central NJ area has any recommendations for alarm
companies, pro or con, please send email.  My wife and I intend to
install an alarm in the home we are buying, and would like input
as to which company might be good to use.  The home is in Franklin
Township (Somerset) if that matters.

Thanks --
-- 
Fred Douglis
Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory  | Email: douglis@mitl.com
182 Nassau Street			      | Phone: +1 609 497-4600
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA 		      | Fax:   +1 609 497-4013
From: czesak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Scott Czesak)
Newsgroups: nj.general
Subject: Rutgers Home Gardener's School
Summary: The seventeenth Annual Home TG Gardener's School will occur Saturday, S
Keywords: HGS at RU
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:45:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Cook College, Rutgers University  Office of Continuing Professional Education  will be holding it's Seventeenth Annual Home Gardeners' School on Saturday,    September 19, 1992 at the Loree Building on Cook Campus.

The Home Gardener's School includes topics designed to assist gardeners in preparing for the fall and winter gardening seasons.  Topics will range in interestfrom beginner to advanced.  Each participant will be able to attend up to five of twenty four different sessions.  Several new topics have been added by popular request.
  
The cost of this one-day course is $17, with a box lunch available at a cost of $6.

For more information contact:
Cook College Short Courses
   phone:  (908) 932-9271
     fax:  (908) 932-8726 - available 24hrs a day
Internet:  Czesak@Gandalf.Rutgers.Edu  
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From: chinyip@aramis.rutgers.edu (Nicole Lee)
Newsgroups: ru.misc.classifieds,ru.nb.dcs.general,nj.general,nj.market.housing
Subject: Room available for rent in New Brunswick
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:30:08 GMT
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Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Room in 2 bedroom apartment for rent:
-------------------------------------

Location: 
	Duke Street, New Brunswick. 5-10 minutes walk to College
	Avenue Student Center. Quiet neighbourhood.

Date available: 
	9/1/92. Lease to 5/31/93.

Rent: 
	$325 + 1/3 utilities (heat & gas only) / month

Description:
	Clean and quiet. Apartment is on 2nd floor. Access to kitchen, 
	living room, large refrigerator. Room is spaceous for 1 person
	and have a closet. Share with a graduate couple.   

Preferences:
	Female, non-smoker. Faculty/Staff/Grad preferred.

Contact:
	Call (908) 545-0037 after 5pm
			or 
	Send email to chinyip@cs.rutgers.edu
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