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From: Raju.Daryanani@p309.f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: DATA: largest world economies
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:24:01 -0600
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In a msg on <Dec 11 17:58>, wmleolau of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 w> From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
 w> Organization: University of Western Ont, London

 w> I just want to make the points more clear.
 w> Gemany and Korea had/have similar sitaution as Mainland and 
 w> Taiwan, but they want to be united.

Correction, the situation in Germany was not the same as that in China. 
Germany was divided by the 'Great Powers' at the the end of WWII and later on
Stalin imposed the system of communism in the Eastern part just as he did in
the rest of Eastern Europe.  The gov't. in East Germany was a stooge of his. 
Taiwan was separated from the rest of China as a result of a civil war, with
the losing side withdrawing to a place that could be better defended.

Raju 
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From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New albums release news
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:43:48 GMT
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y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.154444.5954@bmerh85.bnr.ca> whleung@bcarh466.bnr.ca (Wai-Hung Leung) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.031840.4999@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> 91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk writes:
>>>OK, I just heard that Andy's album will release on Friday, and Leon's too (I
>>>really wonder this news about Leon's album, I think he released his album not

>Do you mean that the two new songs would be 'The true me' and 'Pretending'?

>:->

  Eric Clapton has a song "Pretending" in his privous album, I don't
know if Leon's song is the same one or not, but either way, Clapton's
songs are infinite times better then Leon.

  In fact, even I can sing better the Leon. (Who can't?) ^_^

  steve
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From: davidlai@unixg.ubc.ca (David TW Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: General Certificate of Education (G.C.E.) Examination
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:44:11 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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Hi everyone,

	Do anyone know where I can get the information on G.C.E. Exam?  I
am currently in Canada and wish to write the G.C.E. Exam.  If anyone
has the G.C.E. address (in England or elsewhere), please send it to me.
Or if anyone know how I can apply for the G.C.E. in Canada, please let
me know as well!  Thanks in advance.

	I would like to take this chance to say "Merry Christmas and A
Happy New Year!"  Enjoy the holiday!

						David.

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From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:18:07 GMT

In article <1g76diINNjfj@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>In article <5cdc3b9a.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>, chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec7.202840.13073@objy.com> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>|>     Another speculation (actually a belief widely held) is that when the 
>|>     British leaves a country, it often leave behinds tough problems 
>|>     (India/Parkistan, Malaysia/Singapore).
>|> 
>|> This view is shared by many of my acquaintacnce and myself.  To believe
>|> British government (or Patten for that matter) is really interested in
>|> bringing democracy to HK and cares about HK people is no different than a wet
>|> dream to a teenage boy.  Some may argues history is history and let's worry
>|> about now and the future.  Well, history does give us lession and expecially
>|> when we are talking events happened just less than ten years.  E.g. TAM, or
>|> UK passports for HK born people.
>
>Actually, the problem of India/Pakistan, Malaysia/Singapore, problems are due
>to when British left these colonies, the power struggle amongst rival
>forces within these places made a mess out of it, I think that was the real
>problem.
>
>Lin Can

I am afraid that it exactly what is happening in HK right now .. HK has
been polarized by Patten's reform proposal.   [Before that, you can easily
identify the position of the greater majority of people.  Now it is all 
changed.]

-cw-
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I think this post has been crossed post to SCT so we have so many Taiwan
things. I wish you can delete SCHK from your news group.

I have just a bit of idea of current Taiwan problem. 
1. Taiwan is belongs to ROC as long as there is a ROC government.
2. Taiwan is not part of PRC.
   Reasons
   1. When the first ROC established, it received all good and bad things
      from the Qing court formally.
   2. When KMT finished their north war, they are clever to carry on the
      name of ROC and thus inherit everything a Chinese government should
      have.
   3. When Chairman Mao announced the establishment of PRC. He claimed 
      that she is a new country and deny any connection with the former
      KMT government. So something belongs to ROC not necessary belonging
      ot PRC. In this case, unless the current ROC government give taiwan
      to PRC or PRC invaded taiwan. Taiwan is not part of PRC.

3. There are a lot of countries very willing to recognise both PRC and ROC.
   They have not do so not because they don't like the name ROC but the
   pressure from PRC(or CCP). Even if taiwan became Republic of Taiwan, 
   they would not recognised this ROT for the same reason.

Is Taiwanese Chinese? I think, yes. As we are being called Chinese all over
the world even some of the so called Chinese have been the second or third
generation in say US, Canada.


Yuk Chan
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From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: HKPA - Special notice
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:53:50 GMT

HONG KONG PICTURES ARCHIVE (HKPA)
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Please don't send mails to me from now to 15 Dec 92, as there'll be some
significant changes to my system during that period. Sorry for any
inconveniences caused.

Mails sent before and on 15 Dec 92 may be lost.

Thanks for your co-operations in advance,
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From: fischerm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Martin Fischer)
Subject: Re: Looking for a watch!
Originator: fischerm@hphalle3a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:59:13 GMT


> 
>>   Could anyone tell me where I can find some special watches -- run 
>> counter-clockwise?  My friend he's been looking for this a long time but 
>> couldn't find any in HK.  I thought we must have in the United States.  >

>I am interested on that kind of watch too!! 
>If anyone has any info. about that, please 
>either post here or e-mail to me.



You can bye watches that run counter-clockwise at souvenier shops in
Bavaria (Germany).

But I'm not sure that this will help you much.
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From: alaw@elaine10.Stanford.EDU (Alvin Law)
Subject: Re: Clubs in Hong Kong
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:11:39

In article <14842@cis.rand.org> caryho@cis.rand.org (Cary Ho) writes:
>
> Hi netters, this is probably a little premature on my part but I am
> thinking of going back to Hong Kong sometime next year.  I'd like to know
> what are some of the best clubs/resturants for music and people watching
> etc.  The last time I went to H.K. was five years ago and my friend took
> my to that famous lounge at the Regent Hotel and I had a blast just
> looking at the habor and the people, and the es'cargot(sp) wasn't bad
> either :-).  Thanks.

To list a few clubs/restaurants:

	China Jump
	Post 97
	JJ's
	Catwalk
	Lounge / Coffee Shop at Grand Hyatt Hotel

All except Catwalk are on the Hong Kong Island side...

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From: j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
Subject: Re: Xmas
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:32:38 GMT

lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:

> In article <PscRVB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> j3cheng@student.business.uw
> >
> >        Please do not get so flustered in front of these comments.  It 
> >only brings you down to his/her level if you decide to flame back.  Let 
> >him/her say whatever..you can't stop that.
> >        But realize...they can't stop you from proclaiming your beliefs 
> >either...so please do it in a manner fitting to your beliefs.
> >
> >MERRY CHRISTMAS...May the Lord our God bless each and everyone of you 
> >reading this message.  And may He bring you peace to your hearts wherever
> >you are.
> >
> >j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
> >Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
> 
> Of course, one is free from believing whatever religion one chooses.  However
> I found it quite offensive and annoying when someone wishes I am 'blessed' ac
> to his/her own religious bias (even though I know they are of good intention)
> 
> My reasoning is that this activity is more than proclaiming one's belief.  It
> more like assumming what the others believe.  It is too much to assume they w
> enjoy the 'blessing'.  If you do not enjoy the 'blessings' from Taoists, Budd
> Hindus ... , then don't do it to the others.
> 
> My $.02.
> 
Louis:
        However you construe(or misconstrue) the blessing, I wish you 
God's peace during the holidays.
        No, you do not need to believe in my God, but contrary to your 
statement, a blessing need not have a believing nor happy recipient.  If 
you want to give me a Hindi blessing, I will thank you for your good 
will, even though I do not believe in a Hindi god.  I regret that you 
took offense at the blessing, but I promise that I'll do it again, sorry 
for the unstoppable goodwill.  Please try not to get annoyed.  Hope you 
have an enjoyable holiday break too.

Sincerely, 

Jonathan
:)

j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:25:04 GMT

What this Yaohan Japanese said is nonsense, Peak and mid-level are
full of Chinese people, I have a personal friend whose family lived
on the Peak for 50-60 years already.  

Don't know about the VIP Club, but lots of influential horse-owners
are Chinese and I doubt that VIP Club is white only.

I don't think Mee Teng has ever even set foot in HK.  Wonder why
he hates us so much.

Wing
From: henryng@tellabs.com (Henry Ng)
Subject: Survey for working in Hong Kong
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:57:57 GMT


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From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: Can we judge CCP based on the bad side only?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:11:58 GMT

In article <1gb5vsINNrvt@tamsun.tamu.edu> hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung) writes:
>Name a few good things about CCP, so we can make judgement based on 
>them.

Within the last ten years, the CCP has figured out more or less how to
run the Chinese economy.

People like to say that "X is 100% evil" or "Y is 100% good" because
it means that they don't have to think too much about X and Y.  

The real world is more complicated than that.
From: CHUCYJ@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:04:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

>jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1992Dec9.025204.17338@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>, iu051@cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:
>
>>Utterly simple-minded, in the 90's,  CCP is a bigger evil than the British as
>>far as HK is concerned, there is no REAL freedom, but the freedom and liberty
>>in HK is by far a lot higher than that under CCP rule.  What do you mean by
>>REAL freedom anyway? Tell me which country has it. If you just use the term
>>philosophical, then forget about it.
>
>>Do you really want to sacrifice all the freedom, no matter how little as you
>>think we have in Hk, merely because of a simple-minded nationalistic sense,
>>this doesn't even mean that you are patriotic.
>
>If there is no REAL freedom, that means there are many many forms of freedom.
>Right?  ( - T H E  R E S T  D E L E T E D)
>
I do not understand this implication.  Can somebody justify it for me??
Maybe it is true if we arrange the statements in a slightly different way:
i.e. If there is only one form of freedom, then it is the REAL freedom.
I am confused in how this can chage 'philosophically' into the above statement
There are also many many forms of government systems (authoritarian, demo-
cractic, you name it), so there is no REAL government, and then no government
in this world is REAL and has the authority to rule??

Jim
From: chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Use of abbreviations in SCMP...Anyone? Anyone?
Date: 10 Dec 92 11:46:06 GMT
Reply-To: chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <dxper.723928365@dtek.chalmers.se> dxper@dtek.chalmers.se (Per Anders Olausson) writes:
>  Might some kind soul out there in the bitstream elaborate on the use of the
>following unrecoqnised abb:
>
>  form 5
   High school graduate... Hong Kong has 6 years for primary school, 5
   years for secondary school, 2 years for MATRICULATION which is the
   continuation of secondary school directing to college study. 

>  form 7
   Matriculation class graduate.

>  form X
   Sorry, never heard of it.

>  ACCA
   An accounting society which its head should be in Britain. This
   society also organizes professional exams for accountants, like
   level I, II, III. 

>  LCC
   London Chamber of Commerce. Generally you may see LCC I, LCC II, or
   so on... I know for sure this organization administers typing
   tests. But I am not sure what other stuff they do.

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From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: driver's license to drive
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:31:01 EST

In Article: <ONLAW.92Dec10152101@taiping.oakhill.uucp>
   Subject: driver's license to drive in HK
      From: onlaw@taiping.oakhill.uucp (Wai-On Law) writes:


>Does anyone know if a foreign resident needs an international driver's
>license to drive in HK?  I have a US driver's license already and I am
>going back to HK for a month.  Thanks.

>On


Yes you do, In Canada, you can get international drivers license from
CAA (Canadian Automobile Association), in the U.S., phone the AAA.
They are everywhere.

Have a good trip.
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From: xxmok@utagraph.uta.edu (xxmok)
Subject: How to Post ?
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
 THis is a testing!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:23:59 GMT

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From: zhnagk@cs.ucdavis.edu (Kui Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Can we judge CCP based on the bad side only?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:02:36 GMT
Organization: UC,Davis
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec12.021158.4551@athena.mit.edu>, joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:
|> In article <1gb5vsINNrvt@tamsun.tamu.edu> hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung) writes:
|> >Name a few good things about CCP, so we can make judgement based on 
|> >them.
|> 
|> Within the last ten years, the CCP has figured out more or less how to
|> run the Chinese economy.
|> 
|> People like to say that "X is 100% evil" or "Y is 100% good" because
|> it means that they don't have to think too much about X and Y.  
|> 
|> The real world is more complicated than that.
|> 
|> 

I agree with that.

There's no use to make CCP 100% evil.
CCP may did a lot of evil things to China, but it is changing because people they recruit are changing. 

I don't want to see the economic disaster happened in Soviet Union to happen in 
China, even though they got a democracy. 

Maybe I'm too optimistic on this. My theory is that by the time Russia makes it in
economy, China will be progressing "peacefully" to a democracy while keeping a steady economy.

In the mean time, you have to deal with CCP to make China more open, because
totalitorian govenment won't survive openness.
A strong hatred certainly won't help.

There's nothing like black and white in politics. That's what I learned from 
Marx and Lenin-:).


.kui
From: chiu@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (  )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Fung Shui for Houses
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:28:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec21.093942.61221@qut.edu.au> ling@qut.edu.au writes:
>Hi, netters,
>
>A western acquaintance of mine is interested in Fung Shui (Wind Water)
>aspects for domestic buildings.  I can only tell him about the "standard"
>things.  Here are the current list:
>- the house number must not have a 4, 5 or 0,
>- never locate the stairs directly facing the front door, 
>- never buy a block of land facing a street, 
>- the block of land must be wider in the front,
>
>Can you people compile a list over the Net?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>How-Hie Ling.

I don't think such lists will be accurate. If your western acquaintance is
interested in knowing what Fung Shui is all about, he may need to learn those
I Ching, Yin Yang and five elements. If he is just curious about the Fung Shui
of his home, then he needs to be lucky enough to find a good Fung Shui man. 

Never believe those lists of "standard" things.


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From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:39:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <3472@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>
>>Talk about the priviledge of the British, I read this from the autobiography
>>of the chairman of YaoHan group (Bak Bak Poon or Eight Hundred Friend).  His
>>book mostly talked about his vision of the 21st Centuary and he wanted to
>>build YanHan as an international group with a stronghold in the booming China
>>market.  So he move his headquarter to HK in ~1990.  The move was greeted 
>>with lot of enthusiam from both the British, the local Chinese and the mainland
>>Chinese.  He related a couple of stories (my paraphrase):
>
>>1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
>>   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
>>   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
>>   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
>>   home to him, a Japanese ...
>
>>2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
>>   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..
>
>He. He .. He...........
>
>I wonder what have Lin Can , Ho Sampang , etc . etc. ..... got
>to say now !  May be they will argue (just for argument sake) that
>they are scare of height. I know you will come out with some
>intelligent answers (not stupid answers like mine); being excellent
>defenders of your masters.
>
>You people from Hongkong ( most of you anyway) have a sick
>attitude which no word in the dictionary can describe well.

Hold your laugher...
The above paragraph doesn't mention any killing process; in contrast,
CCP had killed many people during the 6-4 event, and all the people
in the world know that.
Don't laugh, because the priviledges in CCP are even 'superior':
they suck the people's money. Why does Dian Xio Ping's son cannot
walk (lost the ability to do normal work), but still have a huge
amount of money? PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS!!!!!!
 
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From: cs921043@ariel.yorku.ca (PEGGY LEE)
Subject: Re: User at City Polytechnics, H.K.
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:02:46 GMT

In article <davidlai.724233300@unixg.ubc.ca> davidlai@unixg.ubc.ca (David TW Lai) writes:
>To anyone reading this message:
>
>	I have a friend at City Poly., H.K. but I couldn't `finger' her
>by typing: `finger <UserID>@cphkvx.cphk.hk'.  Do anyone know the correct
>way to `finger'?  For example, cphkvx is NOT the correct machine to 
>`finger'?  It would be great if those who knows the method email me.
>Thanks in advance!
>
>						Regards,rads,
>							David.

     Hi!  David,

                I don't think you can finger anytime at all cause
          cphkvx.cphk.hk in not in "UNIX" system,  but in "VAX".
          So, the commands that we are using in unix will never 
          be applied.  Moreover,  this host (cphkvx) doesn't like
          our computer account,  it is only act as a centralizated
          mailbox for everyone,  nothing deals with programming.  
                If your friend is a computer science student, he or
          she must have an account in the host -- @cpccspc.cphk.hk!
          Try it then.  Good Luck!

                                                            Peggy.



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