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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:33:24 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>A short list of DOS applications ported to UNIX:

SHORT? That's hardly the word, miniscule is even too much... :-)

[list with *9* apps deleted]

>SCO ODT, NEXTOS, Apple A/UX, and SVR4.2 all boot up to a graphical X-11
>console.

Wow! ODT uses Motif, NeXT uses NeXTStep, A/UX uses finder and SVR4.2 uses
OPEN LOOK, I guess. That makes four different UNIXes with four different
user interfaces. With NT or OS/2 you only need to learn only *1* user
interface.

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From: heistand@iastate.edu (Steve W Heistand)
Subject: Kerberos help
Keywords: telnet
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:36:35 GMT

hi,
my basic problem is this:
I need to get an active kerberos ticket on a remote machine without
actually logging in.  rsh will not work as it requires and active
ticket to work, a telnet session within a shell script I and everyone
i've talked to have no clue on how to do.  I though about changing
my .login file  to have it exit whenever I login and do a rlogin within
a script but our system has dissallowed .rhost and trusted user type stuff.

If there is anyone out there with any ideas I would be most grateful.

thanks
steve

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From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:34:27 GMT

>>>	difference between Unix and the command shell.
>>
>>You tell Joe User that UNIX is a kernel and not a shell.
>
>Okay.  "The part of Unix that reads your commands from the keyboard
>and interprets them is called a `shell.'  There are a number of
>different `shells' available for Unix, and each one of them works a
>little differently."  What else?

And whose going to tell them if there is no sysadmin?  And where are they
supposed to get these easy "shells?"  And who cares if "other shells" are
easy, if THIS one is a pain in the rear.
>He says this has nothing to do with Unix because there's nothing about
>Unix that requires you to use vi.  There are plenty of editors
>available for free that are not difficult to use.  Oh, "the net" means
>nothing to these people, sorry.  They can order an Emacs tape from the
>FSF for, what? $150?

Ok, so now I have to have $150.00 and a $200.00 tape drive.  Or I can get
Windows on disk.  Have you ever seen the word processor that comes free
with Windows?  It has *EVERYTHING* except spell checking.  I could print
something out of it with pictures, fonts, and it would look JUST LIKE
framemaker or island write or something.  And it's *FREE*.  Now what
incentive does Joe User have to go to Unix and use "VI."  While I'm on
this topic:  can anyone explain to me why VI couldn't put the arrow keys
on jkl;, the universal right hand keys?  Why do I have to shift and shift
back?  Didn't the programmers know how to type?

>Plug in the SLS disks for Linux and answer the pretty questions.
>Next?

And where did I get these disks?  From what store?  And what manuals came
with them?  And what about X?  And where do I buy applications?  And how
do I install them?

>>*IF* you have a sysadmin. What if it's your machine at home?
>
>Then, by default, you're your own system manager.  Can't hack it?  Get
>a different operating system.

aaah, then you are prepared to give up 95% of the home market to Windows
and OS/2?
>>
>>Probably, but does that stop people?
>
>Not to begin with.  When it becomes apparent, though, that there is an
>alternative to their buggy, problematic platforms, they might begin to
>choose otherwise.

You live in a dream world Tim.  The functionality that Windows/OS/2/Mac
provides out of the box takes MONTHS to simulate through an editor here,
a new command shell there, recompile X over here etc. etc.

Unix has to provide that functionality ITSELF, complete, and CHEAP!
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:50:30 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>That's about it.  I do attempt to make it easier for them, because I
>think I'm doing them a disservice by not trying.  But I don't think it
>would be a wise idea to change the underlying structure of Unix to
>suit these people.

I don't think that's even necessary. They underlying structure is good enough,
what needs to be changed are the upper layers, whith which the user
communicates directly. These layers only need to hide the details of the
underlying layers.

>From where I'm sitting, there are a fuck of a lot of people using
>Unix.  Considering that there are free Unices for 386-and-up machines,
>NT is going to have a hard time beating the price.

Price is unimportant. What is important is what the user _thinks_ to gain with
such a system. Most users don't gain anything by using Linux or 386BSD, they
only lose the applications they're used to.

>The power that Unix is known for is immediately apparent to anyone who
>works with it only moderately.  I'm not talking about ls-versus-dir
>here, or man-versus-help.

Right, but first you have to convince people to change because UNIX is a better
xxx than xxx and then you can teach them about the system, that is, if they
want to. Most users don't want to know more than they need to accomplish a
tasks.
From: thot@desert.in-berlin.de (Marcus Klische)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: What means parity error on Motherboard ??
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:41:13 GMT
Organization: Private Site


	Hello,

	I have one problem with Interactive Unix 3.0.
	Sometimes when I work in Interactive there came
	the error messages : parity error on motherboard.
	I use a Compaq 486/66M.
	Can someone tell me what means the error-message ??

	Thanks for reply

	Marcus 

---
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From: codelli@cyclone.mitre.org (David K. Codelli)
Subject: Help!  Printer won't print!
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:28:32 GMT

We have two Suns in our office which are connected by ethernet, called route66 and i495.  route66 is a SPARC 1+ that has a SPARCprinter attached to it.  i495 is a SPARCserver 470.  We used to be able to just say

  setenv PRINTER sparc

and 

  lpr <filename>

on i495 in order to print the printer attached to route66, but for some reason that has stopped working, and I get the error:

  route66: /usr/lib/lpd: Your host does not have line printer access

All of the directories listed in the following printcap entries exist.  Anybody have any idea what's going on?


Printcap entry for local printer on route66:

-------------------------------------------------------
# entry for a local Sun SPARCprinter NeWSprint printer
lp|sparc|lw|Sun SPARCprinter NeWSprint printer:\
	:mx#0:sf:sb:\
	:lp=/dev/lpvi0:\
	:sd=/var/spool/sparc:\
	:lf=/var/spool/sparc/log:\
	:af=/var/spool/sparc/acct:\
	:if=/usr/newsprint/lpd/if:\
	:gf=/usr/newsprint/lpd/gf:\
	:nf=/usr/newsprint/lpd/nf:\
	:tf=/usr/newsprint/lpd/tf:\
	:rf=/usr/newsprint/lpd/rf:\
	:vf=/usr/newsprint/lpd/vf:\
	:cf=/usr/newsprint/lpd/cf:\
	:df=/usr/newsprint/lpd/df:\
	:of=/usr/newsprint/lpd/of:
-------------------------------------------------------
Printcap entry on remote machine (i495):

-------------------------------------------------------
sparc:\
	:lp=:rm=route66:rp=lp:mx#0:sd=/var/spool/sparc:\
	lf=/var/spool/sparc/log:



Thanks in advance,

David

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer
From: bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day)
Subject: Reliable signals in Unix ?
Keywords: signal
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:36:24 GMT

OK, time for a question from the brain-dead.

I have two Unix processes: one sends a burst of signals to the
other.  The receiving process misses several of these signals -
i.e.  they don't get 'queued up'.

I know I could set up a kluge with a semaphore to act as an up-down
counter, but I was hoping for a more elegant solution.  This is
on a Sparcstation 4 running SunOS 4.1.1.

Any suggestions ?

Many thanks,

bd


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From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: Mail - signature files.
Organization: APK Public Access UNIX/Internet, Cleveland, OH, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:22:56 GMT

nseth@desire.wright.edu writes:
>Is there a way that you can have your signature file automatically appended
>to all your mail messages.
>

Tell me which mail program you're running, and I'll give you a definite
answer.

Cheers, 
  Steve    [ former U. of Dayton student! ]

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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:24:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccu.BxB78J.Ep2
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>A wise system administrator would do well to write small shell scripts
>>to do exactly that.  Why, however, should the operating system say
>>this automatically?  What do you propose it tell Apple II users who
>>are trying to type "cat" to get a directory?

>If there are enough Apple II users to warrant it, sure, add it.  It's
>more intuitive then ls anyways!  
Why is that more intuitive than 'ls' ? I have to learn CAT ,D2 ...
>For the most part, though, a true
>marketer looks at the market leader and asks:How can I steal his
>market share.  DOS is King.  DOS is dying.  There are
>several competitors for it's crown.  Most of them do DIR.  Unix does
>not.  
Why is that important to have DIR. You can setup 'dir' as an alias for 'ls'.
ls -l is not as difficult as  DIR /W

>That snort says it all: It tells me why you think Unix can win the OS
>battle, and why you can't see it's flaws.  X, by the way is not a
>real GUI.  You need a good window manager for a real gui.  You need
>applications that work with the window manager.  
================================================

I don't understand what you mean by that. X application works with any
window manager. I mean I switch between olwm, tvtwm, NCDwm, and still
able to use FrameMaker without a problem.

>>Coherent is $99.  Minix 1.5 is $169 from Prentice-Hall.  386BSD and
>>Linux are free.
>Where is free toll-free
>phone support for Linux and 386BSD?  And where can I buy them?

I believe there's somebody who is selling Linux and give phone support
(somewhere in Europe...).
Also wait for Linux and 386BSD CD-ROMs. 

-- budi

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From: ft@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (frederick.d.true)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.wanted,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Need decompress/merge routine
Keywords: merge compress
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:04:56 GMT
Followup-To: ftrue@attmail.att.com
Organization: AT&T

Is anyone aware of an existing method to merge/sort compressed files given
a sort key? In other words, I have 10 large compressed files, sorted by
a particular key, and I need to merge them in sorted order into another
compressed file.  The files are too large to have all uncompressed on the
system.

What I need is some sort of utility ala 'sort -m' which will decompress
and buffer input files while merging. Is there such a beast? Is there another
obvious way of doing this that I'm neglecting? I realize that I could polyphase
merge them two at a time, but I'd rather not. The files are very large and
each merge stage would take hours.

I'm just about to write my own merge routine, building in the compress/
decompress routines as an option for each input file, but I thought I'd 
see what's out there before I started.

Any suggestions would be appreciated,

Please e-mail to: ftrue@attmail.att.com

--
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AT&T
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: k02g@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Subject: Code.View
Keywords: Code.View
Organization: Univ. Bremen, Informatik
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:17:27 GMT

Hello there. Iam searching for manuals for Code.View (cv) its going on
my machine, but there is no man. Its looks great but i cant use this 
Software. So, if there is anybody how can help me, send me an ftp adress
or other where i can get somthing about Code.View .

	thanks

	Olaf Matthaei
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD (long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:56:17 GMT

>>As far as OS/2 (and AmigaDOS, BTW) goes, only one file matching the
>>pattern (unix parlance) [Mm][Yy][Ff][Ii][Ll][Ee] can exist in a
>>directory.
>
>Geez, I can't count how often I saved a version of a file by typing
>	mv Driver.o Driver.O
>	mv source.c source.C

And what's so evil about Driver.bak, or driver.1,driver.2.  There are
100 ways to differentiate two files with close names, case sensitivity 
is only one.

>My 2ct:
>UNIX doesn't have these "user friendlyness" of DOS, because it isn't DOS
>that's user friendly, it's the applications that were written for it.
>One OS is no more "user friendly" than the other.
>
True, the problem is there are people, in this very newsgroup, who see
no reason to try to make user friendly applications for unix.  To them,
if you can't use VI right off the bat, or enjoy learning obscure, 
nonsensical, illogical keystrokes, you should go back to the mac.
THIS will kill Unix.

If people like you say: Let's see how we can 'layer' this ugly operating 
system with nice applications, shells and help functions.

BTW, while I maintain that comparing unix to DOS is useless, DOS does
come with a quite user friendly (though poor for power-users) shell.

I have set up that shell many, many times, and people who couldn't
copy a file suddenly can back up their systems, copy, move, delete 
and edit.  I, for one, hate the thing.  But I recognize it's value to
new users.  Unix could do the same thing.  Probably someone has written
it.
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:28:18 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:

>Somewhere in between these poles lies a place where one operating system
>can be both easy and powerful, backwards compatible and futuristic, 
>graphical and command line driven.

>OS/2, WindowsNT, PowerOS, are all looking for that place.  Unix should be
>too.  If it doesn't, it will be replaced by something that does.

That's in a few lines what the BYTE article, which started this thread, is all
about.

>1.It should have a more standardized, easy to use GUI (but still flexible)

Those already exist: Motif and OPEN LOOK.

>2. It should have a powerful command line.

Aren't todays shells (e.g. bash) not powerful enough?

>3.It should install from floppy as well as CD.

Is already there, Solaris, Ultrix, and probably others as well are distributed
on a CD. Linux and 386BSD will also be distributed on CD (in the future).

>4.It should run, graphically, in less then 8MB of memory.

Can be done, as Linux proves. Although I don't think memory is such a big
issue. The only problem is, IMHO, that most PC's are sold with 1, 2 or at most
4M RAM. People often don't like to open the cover and insert a few SIMMs.

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:20:42 -0500 
From: Nicholas Kramer <nk24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)


Excerpts from netnews.comp.unix.questions: 7-Nov-92 Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
(long) by Peter Busser@global.hack 
>There is no standard. Just think of Motif as CAT ,D2 and OPEN LOOK as DIR.
>And many applications use their own user interface. It has hardly anything
>to do with minimizing the learning curve. UNIX has an elegant kernel
>interface but not an elegant user interface.

 This is about as trivial as it gets: Complaining because there are two
GUIs and not one: Open Look and Motif. Let's face it, the average user
doesn't have ANY preference with regards to Macintosh vs. MS-Windows.
What makes you think that the average user will give any more of a shit
about Motif vs. Open Look? Believe it or not, I think some of these
average users may actually appreciate having a choice.

 BTW, I do think you all are overestimating the power of the "average
user" when it comes to deciding the course of the PC world. The "average
user" couldn't afford to buy a machine powerful enough to run GUIs when
they first came out, but look where we went... Yeah, Joe Stupid may be a
large part of it, but he ain't the only thing determining what the next
operating system will be. (We all gotta keep in mind that not every
"average user" is stupid to the core, as several of the "common user
advocates" have suggested.)


						Nick


Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: berli@chx400.switch.ch (Martin Berli)
Subject: Change Modification Date of Symbolic Link
Organization: Swiss Academic and Research Network SWITCH
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:36:28 GMT

Is there a way to change the modification date of a symbolic
link? I would like to set it to the same date as the file it's
pointing to.

 -- Martin Berli

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From: CHANG@pspore.prime.com (CHANG Keng Seng)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Screen management
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:31:31 GMT

Thanks John. I'm looking something for Sun Sparc.

Regards, Chang

--- Your original message :

Subject: Re: Screen management
To:   INFO-UNIX@BRL.MIL
From: "J. D. King" (Switzerland CH-1-434-2206) <JOHNK@fapsys.prime.com>
Encoding: 12 message (from CHANG), 7 text (note by JOHNK)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 09:00:52 +0100
Reply-To: INFO-UNIX@BRL.MIL

To: info-unix@list.Prime.COM
From: CHANG@PSPORE.Prime.COM
Subject: Screen management
Date: 06 Nov 92 11:23:07 +0800
Reply-To: INFO-UNIX@BRL.MIL

Can anyone suggest a screen management tool (to create menu and input screen,
char-based) ? Curses is too low level for me.

Thanks.

K S Chang

--- Reply by JOHNK :

Have  you  looked  at  Priforma  (on  Unix  as  JAMS)?   If  you  have   Prime
Information,  I  have  a  program  that will generate the program that links a
screen to a PI database (only run and tested on 50-series though).

John King PrimeService Zurich
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind)
Subject: Re: recursive renaming down directory tree.  How?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 13:29:37 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: lind@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Nov6.044055.18206@cs.ucla.edu>, thanospa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Athanassios Papadimitriou) writes:
>Hi;
>
>	Probably many of you will know the answer, but I don't; please
>help:
>
>	I have a bunch of files with a .cc suffix and I want to change
>the suffix to .C.   Is there any clever way of doing it rather than
>manually change every one of them?  I kind of know 'find' will help
>do the trick though.
> 
>	Thanks.
>
>		Thanos


Thanos, 
	Try this:

#!/bin/csh
foreach file (`ls *.cc`)
        set newfile = $file:r.C
        cp $file $newfile
        echo "moved $file to $newfile"
end


Charles
lind@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: karl@rss.dl.nec.com (Karl Larson)
Subject: PS command
Keywords: PS command
Organization: NEC America
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:46:25 GMT

This could possibly be SUN specific, but does anyone know what it means when
you have a process name "COMMAND" surrounded by "()" ie. "(biod)".  I thought
that possibly it implied a child of init, but I ruled this out when I saw
"-ksh (ksh)".  This is not a problem, it just came up in conversation and I
did'nt know. Further, the manuals don't describe such a beast.

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From: thanospa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Athanassios Papadimitriou)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: recursive renaming down directory tree.  How?
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:40:55 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

Hi;

	Probably many of you will know the answer, but I don't; please
help:

	I have a bunch of files with a .cc suffix and I want to change
the suffix to .C.   Is there any clever way of doing it rather than
manually change every one of them?  I kind of know 'find' will help
do the trick though.
 
	Thanks.

		Thanos
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: .profile vs. .kshrc
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 07:19:24 GMT

In <1dea38INN9r8@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:

.....
:It's not as good as the C shell's .login and .cshrc facility.

:The main problem with this Korn Shell feature is that it doesn't provide
:any way to customize the shell environment in a shell that isn't descended
:from a login shell.  These include the shell in which cron, at, and batch
:jobs run, and commands executed with rsh/remsh.  The C shell always
:executes the user's .cshrc (unless the "-f" option is specified), so you
:always get your custom environment.

And you always get a long delay starting csh scripts as it deals
with the .cshrc file if you have all your custom environment in it.

Anything you run from cron requires you to set up your environment
from scratch anyway, so what's so hard about having a standard
file included using the '.' command under ksh?  I could set certain
environment variables in /etc/profile and $HOME/.profile that
allow a program to determine whether proper initialization has
been done.  i.e.
[ -z "$ETC_PROFILE" ] && . /etc/profile		# sets HOME environment
[ -z "$HOME_PROFILE" ] && . $HOME/.profile

/etc/profile will set ETC_PROFILE and $HOME/.profile sets $HOME_PROFILE

Bill
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