From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: More Child Molestors for Christ
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:21:30 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec19.231700.27834@netcom.com>
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) once again shows that reason is fast
becoming the bane of the hoi polloi:

>In article <105324@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec19.123408.4529@netcom.com>
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>>>both homosexuality and celibacy are unnatural aspects of
>>>human behaviour -- and IMHO, rather sad and sick ones at
>>>that.

>>Your opinion isn't humble at all. And, given that you've said
>>homosexuality is completely moral (and you give me no reason
>>to think you'd believe otherwise about celibacy), calling
>>something moral "sad and sick" is none other than ill-thought
>>if not bizarre.

>Brian -- I can only put this in a personal question: is your self esteem
>so vulnerable (to wounding) that you can not understand that a lot of
>people just don't like homosexuals.

Not at all. I can't understand because apparently I'm one of progressively
fewer people who still use reason before judging others. It's totally
beyond me how anyone could NOT question their own visceral prejudices.

>And that's ALL it means?

Perhaps you should admit that your visceral prejudices are conflated with
sour marital experiences, or stop lying about your ex-wife?

>In my book, prostitution, drug use, suicide, self destructive lifestyles
>(self, not others) are ALL moral. And sad too.

Tell us WHY you think homosexuality is inherently sad, sick and
self-destructive. Reason demands an answer. So far all you've said
is that it's your opinion, like hating lima beans. Opinions don't mean
much without an argument.

>I can not tolerate cigarette smoke. I think it is a disgusting, vile, nasty
>obnoxious habit. Putrid and damaging to health. Sickening.

Neither can I. But we both know the REASONS.

>And my best friend smokes. And she understands that she smokes on the
>balcony in my house.

I concur totally.

>My girlfriend does not smoke. I could not tolerate kissing a smoker.

Neither could I. I've always exclusively dated non-smokers.

>Can you understand any of this?

Sure. But you're attempting to validate your prejudice against homosexuality
by trotting out a supposed analogy. You must argue against it on its own
demerits.

>You see, this is one of the things that VERY much disturbs me. It seems most
>people have no ability to distinguish between something "they don't like"
>and "something that should be banned/made illegal".

One of the most feared questions, which has NOTHING to do with legality or
illegality, is "why do I feel the way I do about people who aren't like
me?"

And it still disturbs me greatly that you are an atheist who is not only a
moral absolutist but a rational relativist. It just seems that your whole
outlook is conveniently rigged to support your prejudices.

>That's one of the eternal non-understanding going on on this net.

That's totally your misconception. All I've been talking about is the
unwillingness to question ones own prejudices. You are a fine case in
point.

>A WSJ editorial on post-poll interviews on Colorado voters (that passed
>the law forbidding extra rights for homosexuals) stated that while some
>people obviously voted because of dislike of homosexuals, for most people
>it was a reaction against yet ANOTHER special interest group lining up
>at the trough.

Tell me what the special rights were.

>You see Brian, the freedom to be what you want to be ultimately has a price.
>Other people get to be what they want to be too.

True. I've never said otherwise.

>If you want to shave your head, and wear pink see through tights and
>prance down Main Street, then other people have the rightr to view it with
>disgust, or pleasure, or whatever.

And I'll be the first to tell them: "Try to think; don't just react!"

Brian
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