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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:43:09 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Peeing and Walls (was Re: Inexcusable favo
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On Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:21:58 GMT karsten said:
>My father was (and is) a high school biology teacher.  He had
>a full-size human female torso model that could be taken apart
>to see the various internal parts.

   so THATs why Karsten sent us a copy of On Our Backs, which gail is now
perusing....inbetween each of us peeking at the screen of the computer,and
the screen of thetv, where sandiego is finally getting it together at last...
   she just read me the strangest things that have ever happened to people
with their sexual aids....like two women using pickle, then putting it back
in jar for uptight roommate to eat....

>(as was any kid who visited me during the summer)

   hmmmmm.....don't say that too loudly....whats the statute of limitations
on contributing to the delinquency of another minor???
                                                      cyclops and friend
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:41:34 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: On the shortage of lives on words-l
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> darned topics to the same darned people in private mail! Just what is
> it that motivates you to start emergency listservs on top of all this?

E-addiction.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:04:09 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: NO RESPONSE
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On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU wrote:

> If the remaining players would also like to notify me of their first choice of
> category, I can get this game moving much faster.

Carolyn,

FAST? You think you're going to move this sluggard along? Why, I thought
the whole point was to make a mockery of TP byu dragging one round out
over a biennium!

-abh
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Goofing off Saturday
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>Having children around at Christmas does make it more enjoyable...we're
>going to have a wonderful time for Patricia's first Christmas, but at five
>months and 18 days, she may miss some of the excitement.  She'll also miss
>her Mattel Melody Lights Go Round, the one toy I really wanted to get for
>her...all the other eager grandmamas obviously got there first.
>ndh

Helen's birthday is the 27th May, so she was about the same age as Patricia
for her first Christmas. We had a really wonderful time that year (and in
subsequent years) for while she was mainly interested in playing with the
brightly coloured wrapping paper the rest of us got to revisit our childhoods
by playing with the toys. :-)

Carolyn
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 10:23:40 CST
From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hohoho
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>   I knew I could depend on you! Though frankly it strikes me as more than
> a little bizarre that a dog should play the horses. Don't let Natalie
> catch you at it.

But I don't play the dogs.  If I ever go to a dogtrack, it's gonna be to
enter and win big.
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:19:47 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Operating Systems

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:02:56 EST Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 said:
>I loved those operating system car stories....but alas, feel left out ...
>how about something for MVS/ESA?  (I'm not enterprising enough to figure
>one out :-().
>
>                            Peace,
>                                  Don

Also, how about one for VM/CMS?

Evelyn
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:35:05 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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> From: torkel@SICS.SE

> Understand what? I asked you earlier whether the respect which you
> think we owe all deeply held beliefs consists in not mocking those
> beliefs: is this in fact what you mean? And if so, what mocking are we
> talking about here? I am not asking for any full and precise
> definition, but only for some simple clarifications. In particular, if
> I state, in all seriousness and without any mockery in any ordinary
> sense, that somebody's beliefs are false and revolting and - to use a
> somewhat familiar phrase - "beneath contempt", is this compatible with
> my respecting those beliefs in your sense?

Yes. I thought I had covered that ground the first time around by
 indicating that people do have a right to register their objections to
 what they find wrong in others' beliefs. Sorry I don't have my original
 to hand, or I would quote it directly. (No doubt somebody - Grahjam??-
 will oblige).

 I find the heavy criticism of the Televangelists perfectly understandable
 and in order, although it is usually their style that gets mocked -- and
 I don't have any trouble with that either.

>   >Funny thing about values. They aren't ideas. They're objects of the
>   >will, not the mind.
>
>   I have no problem at all in this context with the ontological status
> of values, but only with which among several values you are referring
> to. For example, those values which Mill invoked in championing free
> speech are not the same as, and not on the face of it compatible with, the
> values invoked by those who would disallow mockery of deeply held beliefs.

I see those two sets of values as being on entirely different orders or
levels. On a legal level, the mockery has to be allowed. As a matter of
good social communication among people of many different backgrounds and
pursuasions who have a lot that is of value to share with each other, it
seems to me there can be no room for it whatsoever, if the full value of
what can be offered is to be available to the participants.

What you seem to find as a lack of thinking things through, may well be
attributable to an entirely different mode of thinking. I am reminded of
the attempts by the United Church of Canada -- and with the very best of
motives, believe me -- to understand the Catholic position on abortion. It
took about five years and even then they weren't sure if they had it right.
The whole mind set was completely (and understandably) alien to them. They
did not, however, find a fault with logic or with lack of thinking things
through. What seems emminently clear to some people, can be as opaque as
lead to others.

Now I think I've had may say on this one. More than once. I'd really
rather let it alone. (Yawn.)
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:35:23 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Year's Good Luck Foods
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> >   Natalie just made it up. She's pulling our collective leg.
> Nope.  As she said, it has been around for a looooong time.  And Natalie,

Now that I think about it, I wasn't even the one who first mentioned
blackeyed peas on the list.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:00:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: An unbelievable article.

: This is one of the problems w/ affirmative action--companies pat themselves
: on the back for hiring women and minorities, while able to get away w/
: paying them a lower salary.  But you *know* Steve, that the real source
: for this is that women in 'traditionally female' jobs make less than
: women in 'traditionally male' jobs.

Karen, we've been over this before.  The "traditionally female" jobs
may offer more generous leave policies or easier hiring and resigning
in order that their holders can have babies.  Neither you nor I have
yet worked out how a woman can credibly commit herself, early in her
career, to *not* having babies.  As far as the affirmative action,
because all companies are under some pressure to have "diverse" work
forces, any company that is paying its "tokens" lower salaries will
get exactly what it deserves.  Its capable employees will be hired
away, and it will have its tokens doing token work for token wages.

What effect new job-sharing arrangements will have on the
salaries and labor force participation of women, especially mothers,
remains to be seen.

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:50:06 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Song (for Natalie)
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> > not donne.
> If it were donne when 'tis done, 't'were well it were donne quickly.

To warm the world, that's done in warming us.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:52:26 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Pizza Toppings
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              at Dec 22, 92 4:36 am

> one worse thing - pizza with hamburger, aka ground beef.  It doesn't matter
> how good the rest of the pizza is, or where it's from; the hamburger ruins
> it the minute it hits the cheese or the sauce. [depends on how you build a
> pizza]  What's worse than hamburger?  Nothing, unless it's anchovies.

No, no, anchovies rank next to mushrooms which are the absolute pits.  <yech>.
I once picked out all the mushroom bits off of a slice (that was the only one
available and I was starving) - believe me, it's not an easy task.

-rashmi

Eat plants and animals, not FUNGUS
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:51:51 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English peas
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> I much preferred canned English peas to fresh ones or frozen ones.  Fresh

That was supposed to be present tense, not past.  I still much prefer
canned to fresh or frozen English peas.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:39:45
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In-reply-to: kieran@world.std.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:02:25 GMT

Aaron opines:
	[editing...]

   Now pretend you're an "unattractive" woman (or man, it doesn't matter). 
   Not only do you not get catcalls, you get totally ignored, or scorned, or
   even publicly attacked as a "beast".  You won't get that promotion,yet you
   feel lucky that you ever got a job in the first place, since most
   employers want someone who's easy on the eyes more than they want
   competence.  You'll never be on TV, unless you get arrested for something
   and your mug shot ends up on-screen for millions to laugh at.  And you'll
   probably spend months or even YEARS without being asked out on a single
   date, and run a much higher risk of spending your entire life alone...all
   because you don't fit American society's equation of "attractiveness =
   worthiness".

   The moral here is: Sexual harrassment works both ways, and I'm getting a
   little tired of hearing what assholes we men are when many of us (and many
   women) are just as persecuted as the Beautiful People, only in the
   opposite direction.  Life ain't fair...get used to it.

Aaron, 

You'd make your point better if you thought a little more about what you
were saying before you typed it in.

I deleted the first two paras because they had little to do with your final
point; nevertheless, if you really believe that "that kind of attention" is
a boon, please think again.  

As I understood your final argument, you are not speaking of harassment
based upon your gender, but rather, upon your physical attractiveness.  Two
very different things.  I agree that there is certainly discrimination
where a person's ability to do a job is connected with how well they look;
and I do know it's true that many people get into positions they are
otherwise not qualified for based upon "looking the part" or whatever.
However, I would challenge that anyone can make a blanket statement
regarding discrimination based on looks:  I know women who have been passed
over for promotion because they were "too good looking" and women who
haven't even been given a chance because they "aren't what we're looking
for"; I also know women in important positions who would never have made it
on ability/brains alone (the US Govt has more than a few of these charmers)
and women who made it to the top by blood and sweat and resent any other
woman who tries the same.  

I'm certainly not qualified to speak from a man's perspective, but I
wouldn't doubt it is somewhat similar.  Although, I would have to insist
that, in my experience, a woman's appearance is very often part and parcel
of considering whether or not she's "capable" or "able" to do a job;
whereas, I think for men, ability/capability is far less tied to how they
look.

	//anne//

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Subject:      Re: Santa Claus

Greetings,

Doubtless Doris was equally perturbed when the 8th grade science teacher
forwent teaching creationism also.

Marty (confident Spike Lee is having a very merry X mas)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:37:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      See you next year

Well folks, it's been fun, but it's time to go.  I'll be back
sometime after New Years with a fresh supply of barbs and jabs,
and, I hope, a particularly nasty chess move for Marty to respond
to.  Enjoy yourselves.

Steve Karlson

The cheesehead signs off.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:29:19 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nerve of steel
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> We also remember that Graham doesn't like this time of year very much and
> he is in favor of public transportation.

And he's been drinking stale milk.  You would have loved the eggnog at my
party, Graham.  You should have come.  Or at least I should have put the
leftover eggnog on a London-bound plane.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:51:19 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      A Christmas prayer....
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Grant me this one Christmas wish, to be given 1/10th the writing talent
ken has...

-abh
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:52:42 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: [Reindeer-print] Brief Follow-Up
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> >Hmmm.  A taste temptation, huh?  I thought salsa was a hot tomato relish
> >for dipping tortilla chips. . . . Seems as if I need Spanish lessons,
> >n'est pas?
> Music ones anyway.:-)
> >doris
> >
 <sigh> My attempts at music lessons would make you weep.
doris
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 11:31:45 EST
From:         "Thomas J. Lee" <tjl9@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What A Quiet Bunch
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Natalie writes:

NM>The list seems strangely quiet this morning.  Is everybody hungover,
NM>or what?

        Nope, we stayed in bed.  Tammy Jo says, "And we're going back to
bed, ha ha ha!"

Tom Lee
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:32:48 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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>> darned topics to the same darned people in private mail! Just what is
>> it that motivates you to start emergency listservs on top of all this?
>
>E-addiction.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Typical of you, Natalie. I ask what something is, you invent a label
for it, and you tell it to me in such a way that it sounds as if you
are actually giving an answer.

tushar
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Let the sniping begin!
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Posted on 21 Dec 1992 at 19:08:14 by Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)
>It's already happening ... the PC crowd has already been sniping at
>Boy Clinton because his cabinet isn't multicultural enough ...

I thought he was specifically criticized for not pointing enough women
to cabinet posts?  (I don't blame him for being p.o.'d at this criticism,
btw.  It does seem awfully early to be giving up hope!)

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:34:07 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Holidays
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   >I would like to wish you all a very merry Christmas, if you
   >celebrate Christmas as I do.

  I'm celebrating Christmas by trying to get this revolting translation
done. What is "dirty rice"? It's supposed to be delicious.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:49:07 -0600
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Susan's History Question
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Anzac = Australian/New Zealand Army Corps

Art and Literature please... (provided that's right)

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
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From:         Brad Baxter <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Operating Systems

>Just wait until you get Rice Mail '92.  GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Evelyn

You mean you don't like waiting three seconds after every keystroke
for something to happen?  My SOP is to hit the delete key and then
read the message while waiting for it to disappear.

* Alt-Brad *
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Say Something To Jeffrey
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>> >Just last night we were talking about the fact that Bernard's attempted
>> >rapes of Jeffrey aren't as frequent as they used to be.
>>
>> He was probably feeling satiated by my sweatshirt sleeve...
>
>Hmmm.  Was his rape of your sweatshirt sleeve before or after he joined
>you in bed?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

My, you *are* getting blase', Natalie! That was in the computer
room, earlier in the evening. You were sitting right there!

judith
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In article <WORDS-L%92123019073564@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU> writes:
 
>On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:22:47 -0500 Lee Bradley said:
>>contained nine cubic yards of concrete.  "How much concrete you want in
>>this hole, boss?"  --"The whole nine yards."
>>
>>Does anyone have a more logical (or documentable) explanation?
>>
>   I can't document it, but to me it logically comes from football....
>like it being fourth down and having the whole nine yards to go....
>
 
In response to Lee, I'd say "close, but no cigar"...
 
The saying is from the days of delivering coal to homes for fuel.
A coal truck would hold a maximum of nine cubic yards of coal
 
Happy New Year
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?
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>       This is the guy who posted something about Masonic plots
>but did not take Bill Merrill's bait (K*ren went to Yale.  K*ren has
>a skull.  And bones ...)  I suspect he's trailing some bait himself.
>
>Steve Karlson

I haven't quite figured "Peter Montgomery" out. But I offer some
observations and a tentative conclusion. First, he claims that
Victoria, Canada is the hub of the known universe when he knows
perfectly well (or may even be ignorant of the fact) that
paradise is located in Rhode Island. Again, he is fond of
punning - "Kanajun Clownstitution" and other such remarks.
His knowledge of American common law is suspect, and I won't even
mention his .sig. Are we perhaps dealing with a dangerous man?

Bill
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Nancy's History Question
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On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:56:04 EST, "Brad Baxter" <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu> wrote:
> (Laird is Lord; Bairn is baby; what is Baird?)

Beard :-)

G
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