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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Ro Laren leaving leading her to Crosby's position (was: Re: 7th season ?)
Date: 13 Dec 92 07:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <Bz6r8C.MwL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes...
>Edward V. Wright writes
>> [...] and Ensign Ro is leaving.

     No, she's not.  Michelle Forbes doesn't have a season-to-season
     contract on TNG, she is essentially, a freelance actress.  If
     a script featuring Ro is written, it is slated for production
     in conjunction (where possible) with Michelle Forbes' schedule,
     kind of the deal Whoopi has but with more points on the side
     of Paramount than actor.

     Michelle declined to be part of DS9 on a 5 year contract, but
     has expressed interest in continuing to appear on TNG (she has
     even done a smattering of convention appearances recently).

>I think that she's going to fall into the same trap as Denise Crosby  
>did.  Crosby said in a TV Guide interview shortly before she left  
>ST:TNG that she was afraid of being typecast.  In this article she said  
>that she didn't want to be stuck saying things like "Hailing  
>frequencies open" all the time.  I've heard (no other sources given)  
>from friends that the woman who plays Ro Laren has said the same thing.

     Not as such.  She doesn't have a problem with Ensign Ro or
     with working on "Star Trek" (in the worst sense of the words).
     She has a problem being tied into doing it for five years,
     because she is young and talented and ambitious and what the
     hell is wrong with that?  

>I get the feeling that, like Crosby, the offers for her to be in  
>anything else will unfortunately be few and far between.

     Well, that's not really true, she's done quite a few outside
     projects, although most have been on television as well.  

  In the case  
>of Crosby, and not necessarily the woman who plays Ro Laren, since not  
>acting (and thus not making money at one's most-worked-on trade  
>[another TV Guide quote from Crosby just prior to her leaving the  
>show]) means not making money, a little typecasting (or just keeping  
>the role you have been in) might not be so bad.  After all, steady  
>money keep you fed and warm.

     Exactly, which is why Michelle Forbes was so eager to keep
     her current deal with TNG: it enables her to have work on a
     week to week basis while still focusing considerable time on
     other efforts.  
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:21:50 GMT

>>>>I think an interesting story would have Data offered a ship.

>>>I really don't see this as very likely, a captain must exercise human
>>>emotion/intuition etc. in his decisions, while Data can compute with the best

>>Hmmm, I'd have to disagree. I think Data is more than great for the job.
>>I feel that emotions tend to get in the way of clear logically thinking 
>>more than help to solve a problem... I mean do you want to argue with an
>>angry person? or someone who's calm and logical? How often is someone
>>"blinded by love"? And Data does have the intuition... look at the way he

>As "The Gallileo Seven" has proven to Spock, logic does not
>solve all problems.  His logic cost the lives of several crewmen.
>He also used emotional desperation in the end. (Admittedly he logically
>came up with that decision.)
>Also, though I don't remember the episode right now, Spock does
>say to Kirk that where logic fails, he should use emotion, thus
>proving Spock did actually learn from "The Galileo Seven".

Okay, given. Fortunatly, that episode is one of the few TOS I've seen. But
I think that in the episode, Spock wasn't taking emotion in consideration,
just as you said. BUT, the error was not in not using emotion, but in to
taking in consideration the possible effects that emotion would have on 
the logical evaluation.  Spock realized that and in the future, always 
considred that in what he did.

Now, I think, becuase of Data's desire to be human, would take into considerdation all the effects that emotions would have, better than Spock or any Vulcan
could becuase of his fast processing speed.


			CtB
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: The New Captain - CoC *Spoilers*
Organization: DSC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:01:59 GMT

Spoilers for Chain of Command follow 32 lines...




































That should do...

For those who have experienced a change in management or leadership, where
management styles were dramatically different, this episode really rings
true. Captain Jelico's opiniated, overconfident, rude approach to commanding
the Big E is sure different from the quiet, open-minded leadership of Picard.
Needless to say, the crew has a difficult time, both accepting the loss of
Picard and accepting the new stle of Jelico.

Riker must really be upset, since he has gone from the good graces of Picard
to Jelico's blacklist. Again, I've had that happen, and it's hard to handle.

One scene pretty much sums it up: when Jelico is leaving the bridge and turns
and says, "And get that fish out of my ready room." Litle bits of Picard
are being removed.

Pretty good episode, at least something's going on this time. Events OFF the
Big E are a rarity any more, so that's good. The scene where Beverly gets
the Ferengi to help them by using her feminine wiles is pretty sickening,
though. 

So far the plot looks pretty good. The entire business with the metagenic
weapon is merely a Cardassian ruse to get their hands on Picard. I'm sure
that they will use Picard as a bargaining chip as they mass their forces on
the border. Wow! Real war! Real weapons! Real pain! A mean captain! This is
great stuff, and a far cry from the feel-good pap we've been getting (like
is this metal piglet intelligent enough to be self-determining...).

On the DS9 front:

Saw the "Electronic Press Kit" and I was kind of impressed with Odo's 
appearance. He really looks like something that's trying to look human, but
not quite making it. The others are pretty run of the mill in appearance.
How come the Trill has the same spots that the woman in "Perfect Mate" had?

Larry

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From: ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner)
Subject: CoC Thoughts for Part II (Spoilers)
Keywords: Riker vs. Jelico
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:08:13 GMT

Spoilers for Chain of Command follow:


It has already been discussed that the code-2 message at the end of
Part I possibily shows that the Vice-Admiral and Capt. Jelico are corrupt:
	"What about our OTHER friends..."
(Yes, there are other possible interpretations).

However, it makes me think that the whole commando mission with Picard
was a setup by the Vice-Admiral, Capt. Jelico, and their Cardassian friends
specifically to capture Picard.  That is, the Cardassians and the Feds
got together and dreamed up a plan to lure Picard into Cardassian space.
This explains why a more "proper", commando-like team wasn't chosen.
I mean, come on --- you can't get in commando shape just by training hard
for 3 or 4 days.  Furthermore, it wouldn't be the first time the
Cardassians have made Federation friends and used them to get what they want.

I predict that in Part II, Riker (perhaps with Troi) will discover
evidence of this plot, and that Part II will feature a showdown between
Jelico and Riker.

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:22:10 GMT

gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>	If you want to take it that way, then Trek >IS< a minority dominated
>universe.  White males are a definitely a minority in the world, yet the
>air time on Trek has been dominated, till now, by white males.

No, you see his point was *A* minority (as in repressed group of individuals
not as in numberical minority) dominating the universe. 

>	Muddled writing, then, for it was not clear at all.

Seemed pretty clear to me.

>>It's obviously very easy to use a snappy comeback and namecalling in place
>>of thoughtful discourse.  Looking at your previous post where in disagreement
>>all you had to say was "Speak for yourself, white boy", it is apparent that
>>that is your standard technique.  Fine.  Flame away.

>	And I haven't started flamage, yet.

I see you also haven't started arguing logically yet. 

I personally disagree with what the origanl poster was writing. But I must
say that I'm rather unimpressed with your atempts to refute the writer as
well. I agree that Star Trek does have the possiblity to make great strides
in showing how women and minority groups are looked at in the future 
(hopefully not as anything different than others). But, that's not the 
purpose of Star Trek. It's a Entertainment show, not a political comminary
or anything. I'd like to see someone other than a white-man (human?) in 
charge of the Enterprise, but on the other hand, I'm not going to get pissed
off at TPTB if it doesn't happen. 

As I'm sure you probably know, (but maybe not) the leader of the Fed team in
DSN (I'm not sure of his rank or wahtever) is an African-American. Good, I'm
gald it happened. 

			CtB
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: What is DS9 going to be about?  Any details known?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:35:26 GMT

The title says it all.  What will DS9 be all about - similarities, differences
and relationship (story-line-wise) to TNG and TOS.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jon Noring

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From: 02maferguson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: wait a minute guys.....
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:58:44 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


Wait a minute guys......
theres been alot of talk about the next star trek movie with just sulu,
and his crew.
theres also been alot of talk about a very med student bev crusher, a very
young ensign named jack crusher, and a very young ensign named picard who
are enlisted at the academy in this movie.
not possible....these people weren't even born yet.
remember there is a enterprise b and c before the d came along.
it is feesible that the crushers and picard are enlisted in the academy when
the c came along on the scene with captain garrett.  but not with kirk.
this movie would be best it showed what happen to scotty as he crash landed
on the dyson's sphere. 
also maybe if they showed the kittamere<sp) massacure.
there is so much to be covered if they decide to make this movie until then
we will have to wait.........


-m-
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:34:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.173420.18535
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <BzADDt.Lw7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>In the first part of the two-part intro to Deep Space Nine, the new  
>captain in control of the Enterprise says that he wants her to wear a  
>uniform.  Not a specific style of uniform, a uniform.  As if to say  
>that she hadn't been wearing one all along and that she is now being  
>told to wear one.  Out of all the obviously mean orders the new capt.  
>has given, this is the only one I wished had been given on the first  
>episode.
>
>Troi wearing a uniform while on duty?  Gee, who'd ever guess that?   
>It's not like she's special or something.  She's a member of the crew  
>(even had to take acting control of the ship when it was just her, Ro  
>and O'Brien) and therefore she should have been wearing one all along.
>

I think she does not wear a uniform because it is easier for the
patients she counsels to "open up" to her if they do not think of
her as being part of the formal chain of command.  The know she is
a true officer, of course, but sbconsciously they probably
From: abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:51:40 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

> |> to my surprise.. one of the characters knew the Klingon proverb that
> |> Revenge is a dish best served cold.
> |> 
> |> Or was that some other proverb? heh.
> 
> I don't know who originally said this (probably one of 
> Shakespeare's characters - they've said everything else :-) -
> but in ST, wasn't Kahn (sp) the one who said this, not a Klingon?
> Or did he quote the Klingon proverb?
> 
> Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
> "What must I do to convince you people?"		 "Die."

Khan is a Klingon...an early type, but still Klingon.

Arun Bhalla
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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Where are they now? (was Re: 7th season ?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:46:41 GMT
Organization: McGill University

>
>Uh, I don't know if they all would have gone on to ship commands.
>
>Sulu would certainly go on.  Chekov was clearly in line for command
>of the Reliant.
>
>Realistically, I wonder where someone like Uhura or Montgomery Scott
>would be working.  Would all the crew be Statfleet "Lifers"?  I think
>even one or two of our favorites might gladly take the equivalent
>of a pension retirement at 40.... or whatever age Starfleet starts
>offering pensions.

Uhura mentioned in Star Trek VI that the mission to Klingon space was
taking her away from her teaching position at Star Fleet Academy.  As
for Scotty ... hmm ... wasn't he on TNG? :)
>
>Some might be promoted to Starfleet Admiralty positions.  Perhaps
>Scott would be some kind of Hyman Rickover.
>
>McCoy might run some Starfleet office of alien medicine.

Would this be part of Starfleet Medical?  Seriously, if you watch
TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", you'll see someone who looks a lot like
.. oh, hell, Paramount *said* that "the Admiral" was McCoy.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:50:26 GMT

In <ZeuTVB1w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
>There is one major problem with debuting the Enterprise 1701-E.
>According to the TNG Technical Manual,

...not that it's the final word on anything anyway, but...

>					the life span of a Galaxy-class
>starship is 100 years.  Thus, the Enterprise Model E would be debuting
>around the 25th century--and thus would be more likely commanded by
>Colonel Wilma Deering (who, after all, does outrank Buck Rogers).

Unless the Galaxy class were decommissioned for some reason.  For instance, if
the Federation economy got so bad that they no longer had the money to support
these doubtless expensive-to-maintain vessels.

Of course, then the next Enterprise would not be a Bigger and Better [tm]
ship, but, them's the breaks.

>Destroying Enterprise-D will do no good either, as the replacement
>E will in all likelihood be a Galaxy-class ship.

Unless the Enterprise is the only Galaxy class ship in existence and Starfleet
just doesn't have the means to build any more.

(After all, in six years we've only seen ONE other Galaxy class ship, and it
was destroyed!)

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of we
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:51:58 GMT

Scott Hollifield writes
> Have you considered the possibility that, while you personally may be 
> [..]

That would be something I wouldn't consider because I'm not titillated  
by Troi or her wardrobe.  As for the crew of the Enterprise, only they  
can speak for themselves; neither you nor I can say what they like and  
dislike insofar as Troi's body goes.

> A more sensible explanation is that she dresses so because
> what she wears is considered acceptable - perhaps even ordinary - 

If it's so ordinary, why is she the only one on the ship who wears it?

A little netiquette:

Rahim Pira writes
> I'm sorry, but I forgot who wrote the article and the message-ID 
> [...]

That's okay, few people realize this, but those message ID's (ones that  
look like "<1992Dec17.233822.16000@blahsite.blah.blah>" have no meaning  
beyond that person's news host.  It's a waste for people to quote that  
information to a group that uses a different news host than their own  
(and most of the time, with currently available news-reading software,  
it's just a waste altogether).  The real name string (such as "Rahim  
Pira writes") and References: header (which is automatically included  
for you in each message) is enough to disambiguate messages in a way  
that people can use their news software to read previously posted  
messages.

Another thing is that people, way too often, quote the entire message  
to which they're responding.  Quoting a couple of lines (maximum) is  
fine.  Just remember that some people pay for their news and they  
wouldn't appreciate downloading the same message many times over.
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Action Figure Observation
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:39:54 GMT

dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy) writes:

>Bruce James Robrert Linley (linley@netcom.com) wrote:
>> In a previous article dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy) spake...
>>>	After hitting three Toys R Us's around the area, I have yet to
>>> see a Troi action figure.  Plenty of Borg but no Troi.  Fascinating.

>> There's nothing weird here. They just don't make dolls^H^H^H^H^Haction figures
>> of women. How many Princess Lea figures did they sell (relative to the
>> others)?

>	I almost hate to admit this, but I'm not buying them to play
>with.  The Yar figure I bought for $1.99 at Kay-Bee two years ago is
>selling for around $35 these days.  If the Troi doll is the rare one I
>want a whole mess of them!

I remeber seeing somewhere that Troi was not finished yet and she'd
be released sometime after Christmas...


			CTB
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From: tilden@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu (Tilden-Master of Illogic)
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Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:16:18 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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I say go for it.  It would take out most of the confusion we normally go through
plus it'd seem more logical than what we have now.

My $.02 worth.

Tilden
From: 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Promos for: CHAIN OF COMMAND Pt.2 (#237)
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:39:13 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester) writes:
> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
> 
>>In accordance with the new schedule, promos for the next new ST:TNG episode
>>"Chain of Command Pt.2" (#237) were released today.  The actual program will
>>air starting on Saturday, December 19th.
> 
> In the East Bay Area, STTNG is aired on Wednesdays, so we get to see it
> on December 16!!!

Wrong.  Saturday, December 19th is the day the episode is downloaded to 
stations from satellite.  It's impossible for you to see it before that 
date.  Most stations that run episodes on Saturday will run this one on
December 26th.  Your station will run it on Wednesday, December 23rd.
You will see it earlier than many, but not *that* early.  (Here near 
Indianapolis, we'll see it on Monday, December 21st.  Nyah!)

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From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:25:50 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu>, <MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
> A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
> voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
> it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
> Thank You!
> Colleen McGlone

I guess you'll be buying dinner.... 8-)
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What is wrong with Wes Crusher?
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

Why nothing, of late.  Why, I'd go so far as to say, that with the possible
exception of 3 episodes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with any performance
he's given since "Final Mission".

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