From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:04:41 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <4777@balrog.ctron.com> nyberg@ctron.com (Jason William Nyberg) writes:
>
> -In article <9531@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
> -> In article <1992Aug13.143604.29158@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> ->  >addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
> ->  >>>
> ->  >>>Binary compatibility with DOS and Windows executables.
> ->  >>>
> ->  >>Some might consider this to be a disadvantage. :-)
> ->  >
> ->  >Nevertheless, it's a feature that is missing from AmigaDOS.
> ->
> -> So I feel free to imitate your attitude and state that it's a great
> -> failure and missing feature of OS/2 that it cannot run AmigaOS applications.
> ->
>
> -Sorry, Peter.  But OS/2 CAN run AmigaOS applications.  Only they are called
> -OS/2 applications.
>
> Mr. Schwartz is about to join: The Few... the Proud... the Killfile Entries!
> Banished... To the Phantom Zone/Twilight Zone/Forbidden zone... take your
> pick.  To remain until a sufficient number of followups to reasonable articles
> cross my screen.

Great!  Put me in your killfile.  Whatever yanks your chain.

> I have been here a long time, and I remember when Mike supported
> Amiga.

I still DO support the Amiga.  I still spend MORE time using the Amiga than I
do my PC.  If my support of the Amiga has ever meant anything to you, then
just maybe the things I say about OS/2 has MORE significance to you, a
csa.advocacy reader...  I am just no longer anal retentive.

> I also understand his current attitude (towards Commodore.)

Remember the first of MY threads bashing CBM?  It was titled "I am NOT
giving up on the Amiga"...  There were a few hundred posts and followups
titled "I AM giving up on the Amiga" going on at the time.  After the
negative news article published across the US in newspapers about the
Amiga, any hopes of the Amiga gaining any acceptance at all in the US
are ZIP, NADA, ZERO, GONE, to the phantom zone/twitlight zone/forbidden
zone.  That's 100% CBM's fault.

> Mike, you ought to re-read this entire post,  from the first entry in the
> thread to this one.  Then think about whether your addition was really
> neccessary.

I read EVERY .advocacy article, fwiw.  I KNOW what Dr. Kittel posted through
the entire thread.  I even have GREAT respect for Dr. Kittel.  But he has
argued a losing argument.  A lost cause.  The "Dr." part of Peter's full
name implies he has MORE education than most of us.  Yet he uses ridicule
(the word ridiculous) to "advance" the Amiga (or defend it) which is not
befitting a man of his education and demonstrated wisdom.

Was my addition necessary?  You bet it was.  Dr. Kittel has not claimed
to have even seen or used OS/2.  I do claim to have seen it and used it.
I also posted about my experience and why I WON'T use it.  Even though
I said NO to OS/2, people like Dan Stephenson and Jerry Shekhel wrote me
to tell me I was on the mark.

Have you seen OS/2?  What makes an OS/2 app NOT an AmigaOS app?  If I showed
you OS/2 running on video tape, and told you it was AmigaOS 4.0 beta, you
would believe it.  That's how similar in look and feel OS/2 NATIVE is
to AmigaOS.  OS/2 has a neato workbench AND a CLI, just like AmigaOS -
but wait, CLI IS an AmigaOS application...  From the list of PD software
available for OS/2, I see sooo many of the same things I find for Amiga -
MORE AmigaOS apps.  Get it?  OS/2 apps ARE AmigaOS apps.

Windows and DOS apps are NOT AmigaOS apps.  That's the distinction.
Read what I wrote:  OS/2 apps ARE AmigaOS apps.  I have seen both, know
both from a technical perspective, and I know they are the same.


> I know this one wasn't, but I hardly ever post, so I don't
> feel guilty.  Your posts have taken on a distinct Mark Barret ((tm) The
> concept, not the person)  odor, and it's time to sprinkle the Carpet Fresh
> over c.s.a.a
>

I see the similarity between MB's posts and my own.  We both bash CBM.
But that's where the similarity ends.  I see MORE similarity between
my posts and those of Shekhel.  We both are saying similar things -
to blindly bash an OS you don't know the first thing about is ignorant.

But there is a HUGE distinction I see between my posts and those of
the others.  I have plenty of AmigaOS programming experience.  You will
find my work in the PD on Fish Disk #2.  You will find my work on the
shelves at your Amiga store.  You will find my latest work on the hard
disks of hundreds of Amiga users (judging from all the different people
with "X-NewsSoftware: GRn ..." in the headers of their postings.

> You should have an -MS- somewhere in your .sig.
>

Wow, an insult.  I am impressed.  If there ever was a reason to put
someone in a kill file it is insults.

> -> This is ridiculous, isn't it?
>
> This is comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.  What do you expect? :)
>

Sorry if you don't like to see the truth.

> ->
> -> --
> -> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
> -> Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
> -> 				   or  peterk@public.sub.org
>
> ---
> -Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
> -Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
> -Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
> -1124 Fremont Ave.
> -Los Altos, CA 94024
>
> --
> Jason Nyberg                Amiga... The Eagle Talon of Computers
> nyberg@ctron.com
>
> "Work is the curse of the drinking class"      W. C. Feilds
>
> Disclaimer: My opinions are just that...

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024