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From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Human Rights and blasphemy
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:31:23 GMT
Organization: UB

From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human

>The reason given by Zia for enacting the coup against him was the alleged
>irregularities in the general election ballot boxes of 1974. I have never
>heard of any other reason given at the time.


Till 74, Bhutto had not had an exchange with Henry Kissinger who is known to
have said, "We will make an example out of you". Till 74, Bhutto had not
made his decision about the Islamic bomb yet. 74 is the year of the
summit conference in Lahore. So the issue of wrong doing,
in national affairs has absolutely no connection with the year 1974. The
elections were as late as 76(?) but definitely not 74.

I would assume that in 74 Zia, was not as powerful within the military 
hierarchy, that he had the influence to "enact" a coup.

Following the thread that "pakistanis decide for their own form of governement",
Nadeem J's query still holds. That is, can the voters in Pakistan decide for
religion to be kept out of government? Why should the Western democracy be
explained before anwering the Pakistani question. We are not a slave nation,
so the reference to Western public opinion about Western form of democracy 
makes little sense to me.




Naveed
From: r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The RAG .... a special edition 
Keywords: imagination
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 03:30:47 PDT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

> 
> 		Ramblers Diary
> 
> 
> Rukhsana Merchant threw a party on friday and everyone was there. Farrukh as
> usaul was entertaining and the center of the party. The eggs were great but 
> i was really interested in the coke that farrukh heaped on me. Farrukh made 
> sure that everyone felt absolutely at home, green card or no green card, grad
> 21 no grade 21. 
> 
> The sad apart is we never got to see R3P0 and Silat Khan. They never showed u
> do they exist or our they a figment of imagination of the network.
> 
no they are not! I dont know about S.K., but I was there.
actually i received the mail about the first party too late from
jahangir, but I did attend the second one.

...and it was nice meeting you (though you turned out to be lot 
different than I thought ...I mean you did'nt look desperate for
blondes etc)   

'till we meet again,

-r3po

[i hate to air all this mystery, but the real fact is that I am 
 a very low-key person (or maybe I am just another larger-than-life
 personality (hey, this showoff thing on s.c.p. is contagious!!!))].
 just kidding....
 [i think this is called show of wealth by mathematical induction...]


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r3po@spectrx.saigon.com
From: syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:15:23 GMT
Subject: Re: The RAG .... a special edition
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan

>From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:12:36 GMT
>Date-Received: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:34:54 GMT
>Subject: The RAG .... a special edition
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
>
>****************************************************************************
>		THE RAG
>****************************************************************************
>
>This is a special edition in memory of Farrukh Zafar, who has left us for
>the humidity and heat and chichoora pun of Karachi. The city of lights,
>tracer bullets, strawberry fields and rimpa.
>
>		Ramblers Diary
>
>the last few days with two parties and a cricket match in honour of the great 
>man himself.
>
>Rukhsana Merchant threw a party on friday and everyone was there. Farrukh as
>usaul was entertaining and the center of the party. The eggs were great but 
>i was really interested in the coke that farrukh heaped on me. Farrukh made 
>sure that everyone felt absolutely at home, green card or no green card, grade
>21 no grade 21. 

You forgot to mention the poem Zia Zafir wrote in honor of FZ.  How about
the biriani,shrimp curry (?),curry and the famous Mango icecream?  :)

>
>Next day we had a great cricket match, Farrukh as usaul in true Inzamam fashion
>excelled with bat and ball. A truely great innings on hios last match on 
>paki soil.
>
>Ashar Husain invited all of us( a large group) to a party on Saturday. A great 
>host and a great party, the chees was great. Real spicy cheese. 

And I was consuming chips and salsa.   :)

>
>The sad apart is we never got to see R3P0 and Silat Khan. They never showed up,
>do they exist or our they a figment of imagination of the network.
>
>So as i type this these last few words, Farrukh you were great fun............. 
Agreed, FZ is a fun guy to be friend with.  Duration of our aquaintance (?)
was very short but it was memorable.

Tanwir Syed

P.S.   Please correct all my spelling errors, since I am not in a mood to
       consult the dictionary.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: desi gif's ?
Summary: gifs are there
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:40:09 GMT

In article <27AUG199223191826@iago.caltech.edu>, mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
> In article <BtoAIL.3uw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes...
> >In article <Aug.27.22.09.53.1992.16929@gandalf.rutgers.edu> amarmahb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Amar Mahboob Ali) writes:
> >>
> >>Does there exist such a thing as a public gif site containing images
> >>relating to the Sub-Continent. Any help would be greatly appretiated.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance
> >>
> >>Amar Mahboob
> > 
> >Try the scp archive at z.eecs.umich.edu.
> >You should be able to get in with an annonymous ftp. send in your login id
> >as password. Gifs are not in pub/scp but may be in a separate directory called
> >pub/gif. There were about 12 gifs, all of them were of good quality, especiallu
> >one picture of a girl selling oranges in Quetta(?)
> > 
> >Check it out and let me know if they are still there, has been more than 
> >6 months since I last checked the site.
> 
> 	AA! I checked it out just now and was not able to find the gifs I 
> 	saw there a long time ago. There is only one, k2.gif. Btw, there is 
> 	directory /scp with sub-directories of some SCPians. I took the 
> 	liberty of making a sub-dir for myself and have put some personal
> 	files in there... :)
> 
> 
> 		z.eecs.umich.edu  ftp anonymous  /pub/scp/mughal
> 
> 	Asim Mughal
> 	[Standard Disclaimer]
> > 
> > 
> >Naveed

Just checked, the all the gifs are THERE. 
I ftp'ed my favourite Jaheel Saifulmaluk.

regards,

-Naveed [the senior]
From: tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: TEST
Summary: TEST
Keywords: TEST
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:24:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Testing, testing 1,2,3.

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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Where is Saudia's wealth?: Somalian-Ethiopian tragedy
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:14:33 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug26.200043.22110@bcrka451.bnr.ca> aruna@bnr.ca (Ed Vopni) writes:
>A related question:
>
>Are majority of Somalians Muslims? If so how are the Islamic countries helping
>the starvation ridden population there? Being a close neighbour of Somalia, is
>Saudi Arabia arranging for any shipment of food to Somalia?


A very good question indeed.
May be His Magesty King Fahd is too busy in some Casino in LA or
Atlantic city loosing some loose change (not much, just a few billion
dollars). That is whatever is now left after securing Western allies
and Kuwait's excellencies interests.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,alt.visa.us
From: mughal@juliet.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject:  Travel Log: H-1B @ Juarez Mexico
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:41:00 GMT


Sharing my experience here,

     One day got the idea to finally get my H-1B stamped on my passport.
Below is the quick summary of what happened after that :)

Bagged along the following documents:

1. Pakistani Passport
2. Two passport size pictures
3. My copy of I-129 w/ H-1B authorization (blue form)
4. Employer's copy of I-129.
5. I-94
6. Letter signed by the boss saying I work for them.

Took a flight from LA to El Paso Texas (11:15pm) Took at Taxi to the 
American Consulate in Juarez (7 miles from the El Paso Texas). Paid $ 20 
bucks, no one stopped us across the Sante Fe bridge.

Tried to chat w/ people all night, at 4 am que started forming. Note, no
one wanted to be the first in the line!. 7am the doors opened. I was among
the first 15. We were led into the buidling, on showing passports and a
photo. Inside at the counter we were given the 'typical white form' with 
35 questions. Filled it out and stood in the que. At the counter presented
the form & the documents. Questions asked:

-Where do you live? Who do you work for? When was the last time you entered
 United States? Are family members living with you? How old are you? 

 Consular officer made a xerox of I-129 asked to wait outside with the others
in the garden. After half an hour, someone with stack of passports came and
there it was H-1B Multiple stamped & valid till '96. Done by 8:30 am. Headed 
back to the airport, took the next flight, was back in Pasadena in 18 hrs! 
Cost $112. Trip taken in the third week of August.

Note: Pakistanis don't have to pay any money for H-1B Visa stamp.
      Pakistanis can go to Mexico w/o a visa if the stay is less than 30 days.
      Fellow Pakistani got his J-1 stamped with no hassle.
      Two Indians were there for F-1 Visa stamp, they had no problem either.
      [All four of us roamed UT El Paso on the way to the airport :) -fun! :)]


Asim Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: amjad@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Test Pleeeease IGNORE
Originator: amjad@qureshi.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin, TX.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:17:05 GMT



This is just a test of xrn program please ignore it...

Thankx

AMJAD QURESHI

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Election '92.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:14:09 GMT


>I find most Pakistanis supporting Bush simply for the fact that he is
>Republican.  We are overcome by the generalization that Republicans are
>good for Pakistan and Democrats are not. 

wait a minute, all my friends are against republicans/conservatives.
Ofcourse usually weel off recent immigrants are usually conservative
because they have never made so much money in there life and hate giving
taxes.


 At best, this conviction is
>predicated on circumstantial evidence; as a generalization, it is almost
>certainly untrue.  The two periods when Pakistan was closest to the
>United States was in the 60's under Ayub Khan and in the 80's under Zia.
>In the first instance, the White House was Democratic [until 1968] and
>in the second instance it was Republican.  Moreover, in the case of the
>Republican-sponsored US-Pakistan friendship of the 80's, cynicism comes
>easily and is perhaps justified since the relationship resulted in the
>de facto approval of a dictatorship in Pakistan.  Even during the war
>of 1971, when Pakistan felt betrayed by the US, a Republican, Richard
>Nixon, was in office.

American policy has always been great for there own interests and the 
interests of our leaders, how this is good for Pakistan?????



>
>There are other, less direct, reasons for believing that Republicans are
>good for Pakistan.  The Democrats are seen as pro-Indian (thanks to
>the check-bouncing Stephen Solarz) and as pro-Israel.  This reasoning
>is based on the premise that my enemy's friend is my enemy also.  This
>is silly and we should give the Democrats more credit.
>
>The glaring truth is that Pakistan doesn't count.  It is not a variable
>in any world equation visible from the American vantage.  The belief that
>the party affiliation of the American president will dictate the
>strength of US-Pakistan relations is a falsehood perpetrated on our
>national psyche by our unwarranted sense of self-importance.

I agree and it will be much better for Pakistan as a nation if there is
no American Aid.

sahibzada rafay khan[]

p.s. Saad saw Aamir Sohail batting yesterday, you are right he does not 
much technique, his feet are no where near the ball. Reminds me of Saeed 
Anwar, but does have a good eye. The sad part is Shoaib for some reason 
has never been favoured espescially by Imran. Despite good performances 
everytime.
From: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Tracing My Family Back In
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) 


Try calling The Norwegian Information Service.
Phone number is 212 421 7333. They used to have a booklet called
How to Trace Your Ancestors in Norway. I'm sure they can give you
some ideas on how to search.
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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.history
Subject: Re: Christening & colonization of the north-east Europe.
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:38:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: burrhus.1992Sep2.163826.28347
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Sep2.135516.22665@nntp.hut.fi> c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes:
>Of course, calling the Teutonic Order as the Waffen-SS of the Middle Ages, is
>an insult towards the Waffen-SS: _they_ did not succeed in wiping out a whole
>people, as the Knights succeeded with the Prussians, Frisians and Livonians :(

	I didn't think the Frisians were totally wiped out, were they?
Frisian is still spoken on the North Sea fringe (though admittedly by a
small population) and I can't think of anyone who would speak it but a
Frisian.

Cheers,
Carl

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste)
Subject: Re: translation wanted
Reply-To: lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:20:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.094917.26448@jyu.fi> sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen) writes:
>
>Hungary!  And Estonia, I think.
>It appears that namedays are celebrated by nations that are
>geographically Scandinavian (Nordic) or/and linguistically Fenno-Ugric.

I think it has more to do with the Christion Church than with the language. 
I know Russia has (or had) namedays and they are associated with the saints.
I don't think Russia falls into either of the above categories. 

I think the early Christian church everywhere celebrated a different saint
on each day, but the Scandinavians kept the traditions alive longer....

But I can't name a specific reference to support this idea so if 
anyone has proof otherwise, I'd be interested to hear it.

Lynnette
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: Colonialism (Was: Immigrants and employment)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
	<1992Aug24.064143.13712@ugle.unit.no>
Distribution: soc
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:37:31

>>>>> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

> The northern part of Norway is a norwegian colony,

No it isn't.

> not an integral part of Norway.

Yes it is.

- Steinar
From: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: HELLO WORLD
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) 


Is this message getting out to you?
Please someone, respond.
Thanks, Bjorn.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: acker@tfs.com (James Acker)
Subject: Re: Tyr,Odin,Thor,Frey?
Keywords: weekdays
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:14:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.001209.28861@daimi.aau.dk> jbuhl@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Buhl) writes:
>>But it isn't in Swedish!  In Swedish, Saturday is "l|rdag" which comes
>>from "l|gardag", which means "the day you wash yourself".
>
>Do. in Denmark. For some reason or another, the norse word for
>saturday wasn't adopted by the english. Maybe they only washed once
>a year?
>
>>> Richard Pocklington   pockling@sfu.ca  

	Thats correct. I would like to point out that we washed once a
	year, whether we needed to or not!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Making jobs (was: nationalism, Finns, Chinese, etc.)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:37:25 GMT

ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik (Hacker)) writes:

>It is true that qualified immigrants, especially when there's a need
>for work force will stimulate the economy a lot. However during 
>bad times it's the other way around. I don't see a good solution
>to this until Mexico will grow as a nation so it could handle it's
>people. I think this is the case with Finland as well, emigration
>to Sweden will not solve the problems of Finland. I guess I speak
>with a double tongue, because I immigrated from Finland 1984. Why?
>No jobs for computer hackers.

You are talking like Finland has not grown as a nation to take care of
her people. Do you really mean this? Do you think Finland/Sweden and
USA/Mexico cases are comparable today?

You are not living in this decade if you claim that Finnish hordes are
currently migrating to Sweden for better life. This year's 'finnkampen' is in
Helsinki, by the way. :-)

Sweden, Norway and Finland are all suffering from similar economic problems, 
high interest rates, unemployment, banks going bankrupt etc. Unemployment
is a big problem in Sweden too (by their standards).

Finnish emigrants who left for Sweden in the 60's and 70's were not computer 
hackers but mostly excess population from the countryside with little 
education. Most of them didn't know Swedish (except the Finnish-Swedes,
of course). And I think Swedish economy needed some extra labor those
days. Since the late 70's I believe more people have started coming back
from Sweden than emigrating there. 

>Cheers,
>Kent

Janne Kivela"
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: NameDay, revised Swedish list in 1993
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:53:46 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Aug30.193359.7406@corax.udac.uu.se> dan@solaris.astro.uu.se (Dan Kiselman) writes:
>4. Of three historical memorial days, only one is left: Gustav Adolf (6/6).
>We have lost Olaus Petri (19/4) and Martin Luther (10/11).
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Arrgh! Now they're going to boycott us!!

:)
-bertil-
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From: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Norway claiming NY (Y
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) 

JA> |> Anyway, New York is the closest thing I've seen to Hell on ea
JA> |> so I can't imagine I will get the worst of the deal :-)      


I lived in Manhattan for two years and returned to Oslo last
September. When I came back, and read the papers and watched the TV
news here, I was suprised to see how similar the bad news were. I'm
talking about things like drugs, crime and social problems. Of
course, NYC has much more of this than Oslo has, but people here
are worried too.

I think NYC has so many good qualities that it is well worth living
there despite the big city problems. I was not so sure about Oslo
when I returned, and therefore I found myself a house in the suburbs.

Bjorn.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Norwegians shot Swedish bear
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:28:12 GMT

>
>>>      NOrwegian hunters have killed a bear

A Finnish hunter were about crossing a valley along a narrow log,
in the middle of a log he met a bear also crossing the valley
but to the other direction. They began to wrestle who is passing
his way and who is not. Finally the hunter got a good grip around
the bear, the bear begged for mercy from the hunter "please do not press any
more me", the listeners said unbelieving to the hunter:
 but  bears does not speak. The hunter
replied "but it had to."

Jarmo
>



Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Hunting (was: Norwegians shot Swedish bear)
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:17:00 GMT

>
>
>This departs somewhat from the thread of bear killing, but I was recently
>reading an article about reindeer (poro) herders in Lappland that mentioned
>hunting to protect the herds.   The interviewer inquired if the herder 
>supports hunting of dangerous animals, like bears and wolves, because of the
>threat to the reindeer.  He replied no, that he loses very few animals to 
>them; instead, the greatest killer was cars!   (This is because the
>reindeer are raised on open land, they roam freely across the North.)
>
>I found his observation very interesting, i.e. killing animals to
>protect animals is nonsensical because the greatest slaughterer is
>us.>
>
>Keith
>>
I also find it odd that the reindeer herders hate the bears but not the
cars which kill much more reindeers than any animals. A car=holy cow.
The reason why the reindeers come to the roads is that they get from
the road salt which is used to keep the read free from snow in the winter.
Jarmo

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