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From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Democracy in Europe and Estonia.
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:43:38 GMT

In article <12112@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) 
writes:

>> Mr.Hietaniemi writes:
> 
>>>>I would sure like to hear your somments on the CSCE observer groups
>>>>review of Estonia. See my postings above.
>>You are still evading the question, how do you find the evaluations
>>of the international observers on Estonia.
<deleted>
>>Please comment this interesting piece of news.
> Well, I do not need international observers to tell me what is the
> case and what is not the case, when I know what's going on anyway.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Here we have a deep disagreement.

(1) I think (and here the main parties in Estonia share my humble
opinion) that the international observes form the third party
that could mediate on the affair.

(2) Sorry, but you know very, very little about Estonia. Your postings
clearly indicate that. But I agree that you still THINK YOU KNOW
"what's going on".


> 
>>asks
>>the convinced supporter of the Helsinki process
>>Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
>>                   urbs fennorum
>                                                  answers Alexei M-T,
> 						a convinced supporter
>                               of the ideals behind the Helsinki process.



A convinced supporter of the Helsinki process is for the international
observers

thinks
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!! / favouring Soviet culture?
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.194319.8933@math.ucla.edu> Alexei Stolboushkin,
aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu writes:
>On the other hand, shall the culture traditions we share
>be changed in accordance to any new legislation the
>honored people deputies pass?

If you prefer Soviet culture, please tell me what is nowadays and
what is your opinion of past Soviet culture? Why can not we go
back to basics and restart speaking of Russian (both Russkij and
Rossiiskij) culture?

	olli
From: golosov@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Denis Golosov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "Last tost"
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:03:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:


>		THE LAST TOST.
>               ----------------

>	I DRINK TO OUR RUINED HOUSE,
>	TO THE DOLOR OF MY LIFE,
>	TO OUR LONELINESS TOGETHER;
>	AND TO YOU I RAISE MY GLASS,
>	TO LYING LIPS THAT HAVE BETRAYED US,
>	TO DEAD-COLD, PITILESS EYES,
>	AND TO THE HARD REALITIES:
>	THAT THE WORLD IS BRUTAL AND COARSE,
>	THAT GOD IN FACT HAS NOT SAVED US.
>           
>                                       M. CVETAEVA
>					(in translation)


>  IGOR
>V GLUSHI WISCONSII
>LIFE IS SUCKS, AND THEN YOU DIE ...
>************************************

The above-quoted poem belongs to Anna Akhmatova; it bears all the features
of her style, so I'm surprised that someone has found it possible to
attribute this poem to a totally different poet. Note, that the translation
is very inaccurate as well: none is supposed to "raise the glass" to lips
or eyes themselves. The appearance of the words "in fact" in the last line
also lowers the whole poem. 
                      Sincerely, Denis Golosov.
P.S.
          POSLEDNY TOCT.               (AHHA AXMATOBA)

Ya p'yu za razorenny dom,
Za zluyu zhizn' moyu,
Za odinochestvo vdvoyem,
I za tebya ya p'yu,
   Za lozh' men'a predavshikh gub,
   Za myortvy kholod glaz,
   Za to, chto mir zhestok i grub,
   Za to, chto Bog ne spas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vlad Soukhanovsky)
Subject: Re: renews.politics: At the Congress of the People's Deputies of Russia
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: world     
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:21:56 GMT

In <1992Dec17.062155.4439@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:

>In article <1gof10INN5j9@gap.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>But it's nice living in a country with a stable government, with washing
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>machines and no pictures of Stalin waved in your face.
>^^^^^^^^^                
>Our alleged romantic finally exposed what she really need (see above)
>I suspected (for purely stylistic reasons) that her inclination to 
>poetry is borrowed from one of the Hollywood film personals - now I 
>know it for sure. Only thing I don't understand is why Patricia
>failed to appreciate pictures of Iossif Vissarionovich - his government 
>was stable all right. 

But you forgot one thing - the Stalin government couldn't provide
everyone with washing machines. :-)

So we will have fun since our baby is back in the air.

Vlad.
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Is Russian vodka bad?
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:12:48 GMT
 <1992Dec19.214422.6149@polaris.utu.fi>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Dec19.214422.6149@polaris.utu.fi>
Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:

> In article <1992Dec18.141338.20327@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J. Theodore
> Schuerzinger, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu writes:
> >"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
> >'Russian Vodka'."
> 
> JTS's slogan above.
> 
> I think that best vodka of the world was pshenizhnaja, when
> it's quality was controlled in the good old days. Instead of
> grain it was distilled from wheat. It was something like
> Bacardi!
> 
> I would like to hear why on earth somebody thinks that Russian
> vodka is bad?

This vodka was specifically called 'Russian Vodka' -- all it said on
the label was 'Russkaya Vodka'.  It's not that vodka from Russia is bad
(Pshenichnaya and Stolichnaya are both good), it's that you shouldn't
trust any brand of vodka that calls itself 'Russian Vodka' with no
other name.  Also, this *was* the first time I had ever tried vodka....
 :-)


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Finnish Communists in the USA and the USSR / I meant     
 westerners
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:38:24 GMT
 <1992Dec15.062654.17683@polaris.utu.fi>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1992Dec15.062654.17683@polaris.utu.fi>
Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:

> 
> -	more money for "cultural minorities", which means subsidiarys
> 	for some artist within a limited circles

Are you implying that Soviet 'cultural minorities' would receive more
money?  It seems to me that the Russians tried to Russify all the other
republics -- note that ~40% of the population of Kazakhstan is Russian,
only ~50% of Latvia is Latvian, etc.

And what about Swedes in Finland?  :-)


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Turkish Hebbels and his bad luck
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23: 02:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:59:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.023737.1867@leland.Stanford.EDU> Artavazd
Khachikian, arto@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>	So when your next instruction comes from Ankara, ask them whether
>the word "Jews" in your postings can be changed to something else - this
one
>didn't work.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
Newsgroups: talk.poilitics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.rights.human
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Eyewitness Accounts of Anti-Armenian Pogroms in Azerbaijan #023
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23: 12:27 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:08:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163657.5127@urartu.sdpa.org> David Davidian,
dbd@urartu.sdpa.org writes:
>I personally knew a Jewish girl and her mother, whom I met in Yerevan a
couple 
>of months ago. They stayed in Baku until the last minute, after Azeri
rage was 
>finished with Armenians and rumors abound regarding a similar fate
waiting for
>the Russian and Jews. At the end, she said her and her mother just got
out in 
>time, because they lived in a complex of Armenians, and would have been 
>mistaken for Armenians, as other Jews had been. It was very painful for
this
>girl to tell her story. This girl and her mother live in Yerevan today.
I also


I also know that a lot of my relatives, who are Jews live in Azerbaijan
today without much worries.  And I also personally know Jews who left
Erevan, frightened by Anti-Semitic outbursts from their neighbors and
co-workers.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09: 21:30 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:18:33 GMT

In article <101663@netnews.upenn.edu> Sergei Borodin,
sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:
>  A idet ona o tom, chto chelovek, a imenno Mark Lipsits, nikak ne
>  mozhet nauchit'sja obraschat'sja s komputerom, a ot togo pripisyvaet
>  mne chuzhie slova. A pripisav ih mne, delaet duratskii vyvod o moem
>  chuvstve umora. Povod-to, vrode by v dannom sluchae i pustjashnyi, no
>  ja opasaus' kak by eto ne pereroslo v privychku. 


I just want to clear some misuderstanding here.  Sergei, I never tried to
pu someone else's words in your mouth -- I was replying to that strange
outburst about "economical Jews"  Please, understand me, I am using a Mac
which has barely enough memory to run System 7.  The computer itself is a
nusance.  Plus, very often, when I try to post an article it says that
"connection has timed out", and then it assumes all the responsibility
for my article, leaving me without a clue on what to do.  (I'll be glad
to recieve any suggestions)  I guess you had a chance to show off your
wits, and to flame me -- that's cool -- I loose.  But I hope that the
topic is closed now, with my apologies.
As for the people who did not think the jokes were funny -- it is their
right.  I personally think that there are a lot of jokes being posted
that lack a sense of humor.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: christmas
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:55:33 EST

One correction right now, as I've made a serious mistake.

It was NOT Jupiter's day, though not that of Janus (as someone else
wrote it) either. I was the Feast of The Sun, in latin Natalis Sol
Invicti.

Janus had his celebration on New Years Day, which is still part of
western trasdition.

So, again, in ancient Rome it was Natalis Sol Invicti that fell on 25
December, this was the holiday merged with Christmas.

Robert
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:03:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <kosinov.724705426@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>Anatoly Marchenko). Can you name me ONE Russian Nationalist, who did NOT
>challenge the fundumental Leninist dogma, who was imprisoned during Breznev
>era.

What for he will be imprisoned, then? He did not challange goverement.
Every other nationalist would require at least some autonomy or something,
diminishing control of the goverement. Russia is so big, that idea of
separation from USSR was only ridiculous.

BTW, formally Russian federation was least autonomous of all republics.

Yury M.
.




>
>				      Greg.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
	<1992Dec17.201637.18641@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:51:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.201637.18641@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

   In article <1992Dec16.201024.584@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> svlissia@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

>   >Of course, this album is far behind A's best, but remember "Equinox",
>   >complete step back, nightmare of all the "Aquarium's" fans. Now we see, that
>   >BG is still alive, though R&R is dead.
>   >It would be nice to hear your opinion. 

>	   Yea, Equinox is a true nightmare, something I'd
>	   never buy or listen. Anyway, BG current releases
>	   are far of being as good as Aquarium was, though
>	   some songs are excellent. Note that some of his best songs
>	   of this formation (like "uzhe proshlo 7-oe noyabrya" -
>	   "November 7-th ended" - written in 1982) are written
>	   long ago (even in 70-ies).
>
>	   Misha.


I'm so glad to meet such a true connoisseure of BG's oeuvre, like 
you are, Mikhail. 
As for "Angel Vsenarodnogo Pokhmelja" song - you wrote, it's 
written in 1982. Hmm. I always thought it's much older - 
maybe even mid 70s. I even thought it's one of these earliest songs
which were written not by BG, but by George Gunitsky - second
godfather of Acquarium. ( Like, say, "Suita iz Russkih Narodnyh
Pesen" ). Am I wrong?


>   "Uzhe proshlo 7-oe noyabrya
>   Zatikhli zvuki obshchego veselya
>   No kto-to dvizhetsya krugami
>   Vsyo vokrug tam, gde stoyu ya:
>   Dolzhno byt', angel vsenarodnogo pokhmel'ya.

>   Kryla visyat, kak mokrye usy
>   I veet chem-to tikho i tosklivo
>   No vot uzh b'yut v kremlyovskoi bashne
>   Pozolochionye chasy
>   I grazhdane strany zhelayut piva..."

And here comes the rest of the song:

Byvaet tak, chto nechego skazat'.
Dejstvitel'nost' beskryla i pom'ata
I nevozmozhno sdelat' shag 
ili hot'a by prosto vstat'
I vse my - bezzasshitny, kak kot'ata...

I rvets'a vrag podsypat' v vodky jad /*
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ /* Isn't it cool?!!
Razrushit' nam zastol'e i postel'e,  /* - L.A.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No kto-to vjets'a nad stranoj,
Blagoslavl'aja vseh podr'ad
Hranit nas angel vsenarodnogo pohmelja.


BTW, where could I to get a copy of the record
you guys were talking about - "Istorija Akvariuma Tom III"?

Thanx,

/\.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: berlin@is.morgan.com (Alexander Berlin)
Subject: Re: ANECDOTES -- Brezhnev
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:57:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.213429.7474@news.nd.edu>, alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe) writes:
|> Zagadki:
|> 
|> ================
|> Eto chto za Barmalei 
|> lezet k nam na Mavzolei?
|> Brovi chernye, gustye 
|> Rechi dlinnye, pustye.

   On i marshal i geroi -
   Dogadaisia, kto takoi?
   Kto dast pravil'ni otvet,
   Tot poluchit desiat' let.

|> ================
|> Eto chto za bolshevik
|> lezet k nam na bronevik?
|> On bolshuyu kepku nosit
|> Bukvu R ne proiznosit.
|> =================
|> 
|> Does anybody would like to continue? 
|> 

Some more from Brezhnev era:

1. Slovno mat' zabotliva vo vsiom,
   Partia zoviot nas v kuschi raya.
   Mi zhe blagodarno h.. sosiom
   Ot brovei do samih do okrain.

2. Nash lektor slil avtoritetom -
   On pro vozhdia povestvoval,
   I dlia nagliadnosti pri etom
   Sebe on zhopu tseloval.

|> 
|> --
|> 
|> When I tell any Truth it is not for the sake of convincing those
|> who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those who do.
|>          
|> 	                           WILLIAM BLAKE Public Address

-- 
Alex Berlin                     
berlin@is.morgan.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: petrov@tfs.com (George Petrov)
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!! / favouring Soviet culture?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.080812.23925@polaris.utu.fi> Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.194319.8933@math.ucla.edu> Alexei Stolboushkin,
>aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu writes:
>>On the other hand, shall the culture traditions we share
>>be changed in accordance to any new legislation the
>>honored people deputies pass?
>
>If you prefer Soviet culture, please tell me what is nowadays and
>what is your opinion of past Soviet culture? Why can not we go
>back to basics and restart speaking of Russian (both Russkij and
>Rossiiskij) culture?
>
>	olli


	Soviet culture, like military intelligence, is a non-sequitur.

	George
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: ANECDOTES:    -- A pochemu shepotom?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:11:18 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame



===========
General KGB, ego zhena, shofer i sekretar' edut na mashine.
Vse hraniat glubokoe molchanie. Vnezapno shofer povorachivaetsia 
k sekretaryu i govorit shepotom, tiho-tiho:

   -- Vyesshaem na Pravitel'stvennuyu trassu.

Sekretar', povernuvshis' k zhene generala, peredayot slova shofera,
tozhe shepotom, tiho-tiho:

   -- Vyesshaem na Pravitel'stvennuyu trassu.

Zhena, estestvenno tozhe shepotom, obrashchaetsia k generalu:

   -- Vyesshaem na Pravitel'stvennuyu trassu.

Podumav nemnogo i osmysliv ee slova, general sprashivaet escho tishe:

   -- A pochemu shepotom?

Zhena peresprashivaet sekretarya:

   -- A pochemu shepotom?

Tot, v svoyu ochered', peresprashivaet shofera:

   -- A pochemu shepotom?

Ohripshii shofer otvechaet:

   -- Pivka holodnogo vchera popil.
===========






--

Keiner ist unnuetzt, er kann immer noch als schlechtes Beispiel dienen.

 
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: neo-Nazi and neo-Communists
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:10:13 GMT
Expires: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 23:00:00 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Alexei Moiseyev (alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) writes:
>I feel there are more sides to the argument than this.  Further, I
>think by now you should be aware of my attitude to people like Alksnis
>and Zhirinovsky.  I welcome Baltic independence.  But I do not welcome
>Baltic neo-Nazism.

Neither do I. Thankfully this is something very unusual. Unfortunately
there is a lot more of the kind in Russia.

>Time and again I have said that  Baltic leaders are birds of a feather
>with Alksnis, Zhirinovsky etc. I dislike them all, and for just ONE THE
>SAME reason.

Well, if you say that you think that Baltic leaders are the same ilk
as Alksnis and Zhirinovsky, thanks for telling us the credibility in
your propaganda campaign.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: Blame the victim... (from Alex Chaihorsky)
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00: 21:50 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:18:20 GMT

My God, Arto, how glad I am that you did answer in a balanced way !! 

Let me address some of your points:

1. No, not at all I am for status quo. I believe the following should
take place: 

	a. An international court in Haague should conduct an investigation 	 on
the whole conflict. Russian documents of the Tzarist times 	 that include
tax sheets with the names, buildings, etc. for each 
village in Karabakh should be presented. All Soviet times statistics 	
sheets should be taken into account.

	b. Armenian people have to (once and forever) declare whether they keep
Azeris 	 accountable for the deeds of Turkey. It should be done by the
referendum. 	 Armenian people as well as Azeris should be told by their
governments the 	 truth about anti-Armenian pogroms in Turkey,
anti-Moslem pogroms in Transcaucassia, 	 the documents are to be prepared
by UN and broadcasted without changes for prolonged 	 period of time.

	c. Untill that time all blokades should be lifted, but no arms movement
tolerated 	 within the region.

	d. The international bodies should start estimate the damage that was
done 	 to the properties of the Armenians that had to leave Azerbaijan,
as well as 	 Azeris that had to leave Armenia.

	c. Monuments to the victims of pogroms should be founded: to Armenian
victims in Baku, 	 to the Azeri victims in Erevan. (Not vice versa.) 

	e. A Armenian/Azeri Humane Brotherhood Society established (Bay Area is
a very good place 	 to start). The members of the Society will build the
foundation for the healing process 	 in th future.

	IF the Haague court will decide that Karabakh has legal right to seek
independance - 	so be it, the Republic of Azerbaijan must start
diplomatic talks with Karabakh on that 	matter. Otherwise the Republic of
Azerbaijan would be facing international boycott, as 	any country
rejecting the Haague decisions. 

	f. IF not - Karabakh must start the process of getting back into
Azerbaijan. If they will 	decide not to do that, at least law-biding
Armenian community outside Karabakh must 	stop supporting it in its
illegal claims (if they are illegal from the point of view of the 
international law.)

	In any case, all known criminals that partook in pogroms on both sides
have to be 	charged with corresponding crimes by the courts of the
Azerbaijan and Armenia. CRIMINALS 	MUST BE PUNISHED IN ANY CASE. This is
the law of CIVILIZATION. 	
	
WHAT I AM FOR IS A LEGAL AND CIVILIZED WAY TO DEAL WITH CONFLICTS. We are
not barbarians. We are all descendants of Abraham - let us not feed on
each other's flesh. 


May God be with you and your people.

	Alexander Chaihorsky.
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From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Baltium
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:26:01 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

I agree with Jarmo and others there ought to be a Baltic discussion
group.  There really are too many extremely diverse interests in
soc.culture.soviet.  				Best wishes to all,
							Alexei.