HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chip@osh3.OSHA.GOV (Charles Yamasaki)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: U.S. D.O.L - Occupational Safety & Health Admin.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 04:02:08 GMT

In <f6lnr5+@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:

>>	The why are you even making a big deal of this?? Sounds
>>to me that you just require the attention and are willing to
>>get it however you can...even by putting down something that you
>>say 'doesn't matter enough'!!

>Cuz it's become so much fun to gig you and those like you.  Just 
>like a big old foundering hog full of gas, I poke you and you fart
>some more.  Wheeeee!!!

>John

I'll try to be polite so as not to be misconstrued.  John, you made your
point and I don't think the list is going to change.  The really useful
discussion on this topic has died and it's just a hack session.  These
things really belong more in alt.flame, don't they (no, don't answer
that).  I think you would be showing a great deal of responsible
restraint and "net spirit" if you just let all of this die and go on
with what you're going to do next (starting you own list or distributing
somebody else's that includes your site).

Yes, I know you don't care for yourself whether your listed in Nixpub,
only for those who wish to reach you.  I think the basic points to the
discussion have been made very clear at this point.  Please consider
whether this discussion is really worth your valuable time or the time
of others before furthering this bicker session.

No reply would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks (really).
-- 
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Charles "Chip" Yamasaki| The opinions expressed here are my own and are not
chip@osh1.OSHA.GOV     | supported or even generally accepted by OSHA. :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Citadel68K doors wanted
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:03:09 GMT

In article <64998@cup.portal.com> Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON) writes:

>source.).  I also wrote my first "original" door, Nuclear Warfare.
>Nuclear Warfare is in Beta Testing right now, but almost ready to
>be released.  It actually can be played as a non-door game!  It
>is a game of strategy and diplomancy tempered with a nuclear mushroom
>or two.  Also David Wright's version of Empire runs as a door.  I

Hm.. hey, this isn't of the same flavor as Nuc War and Nuc Escalation by
Flying Buffalo, is it?  If so, sounds like a .. um, .. blast!

-- 

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Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]        | fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
NCR -- Torrey Pines Development Center | Jeffrey.Grimmett@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
==========    "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."   =============
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:41:54 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.091542.11228@panix.com> alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen) writes:
>>>	Face it.  You're sore because someone else offering an
>>>information list that you feel you belong on told you "no" and you're
>>>being a sore loser about it.
>>
>	I won't argue it either...it is true.  Geez...the funny
>thing is...why did anyone give this guy the time of day to 
>respond in the first place...wouldn't the easiest thing to have
>done be just to ignore him?  Most parents ignore a child
>when he has a temper tantrum...let him fizzle out on his own...
>why didn't everyone do this with this temper tantrum??

You couldn't do that, now could you?  Just gotta hear yourself yap.

Actually I accomplished just about what I wanted to do.  I figured
Phil wouldn't budge because this list is his 15 minutes of fame and his
power trip.    What I wanted to do was stimulate a discussion, preferably
a loud, sloppy one that catches everyone's attention, so that people
who didn't realize the bogosity of Phil's list would now know.  I also
wanted to let everyone who might be looking for public access but not
see a candidate system on the list know that there are other systems
available who don't play by Phil's rules but nontheless accept new 
subscribers.  Lastly, I wanted to let anyone in the Atlanta area know
about dixie.com and Gwinnette.com.  Looks like it worked.  I've gotten
a nice little flurry of sub requests.  I sent some over to Gwinnette.com
and took the more interesting.

This has worked so well I'm going to make this a regular feature to follow
the Nix-bogus list each month.

Thanks all
John

-- 
John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?  
Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
Marietta, Ga                         |Interested in high tech and computers? 
jgd@dixie.com                        |Write me about PE Magazine
Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.
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From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS's for Linux
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:23:35 CDT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:

> Cant' give you any particulars and I haven't been reading comp.os.linux for a
> while, but I remember someone offering diffs to get it to complile. Give a 
> shout over in the linux newsgroup and I'll bet someone answers.

I seem to remember this being discussed on comp.bbs.waffle recently.  
I'd recommend checking there also.

--
Gabe Helou (pfbbs!gabe@angus.mi.org -or- ...uunet!angus!pfbbs!gabe)
The Permanent Floating BBS [Catch us when you can] ----------------------------
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:22:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: willard.PRD4PB1w165w
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> I agree with the author of the list .. what is the point of putting
> dixie.com in a list of online public access unix sites if you're not
> prepared to have the phone number listed?  I think that your argument
> that "hackers" will get in if they know the number is rather silly
> -- there are many thousands of online public access systems around
> the world, virtually all of them are listed on some list somewhere ..
> they seem to get on okay.

I agree with you, Pat!  It's his (the author of the NIXPUB) list, and his
choice as to what to include.

> Anyway, it is his list, so it's HIS choice as to which conditions
> he attaches to whether a system is listed.  If you object then why
> not spend the many hours required and put together your own list
> of systems not prepared to publish their phone number.
> 
> >Your restrictions makes your list highly bogus.  You have automatically
> >excluded ALL public access sites in Atlanta
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> But aren't there only TWO "public access" sites in Atlanta?  Two
> systems missing from out of 130 doesn't automatically make the
> list bogus.

Even if what he chooses to include is only Unix systems.  This "public
access" issue is a bit more hairy than simply restricting yourself to only
Unix systems.  There are most certainly more than two "public access" sites
in Atlanta.  It just happens to be that there are few that are running on or
over Unix.  If by "public access" one refers to Usenet/email access, there
are tons of Waffles, Citadels, uuPCB's, (and, yes), UNIX systems other than
the two to which John De Armond refers.

Might I offer my own little MS-DOS system as just one example of a publicly
accessible, nay, even FREE to all users, system that provides exactly this
sort of connectivity.  So, while the NIXPUB is not John's to command, neither
is it the Mother of All Lists, as it ignores a growing population of non-Unix
systems.  I'm NOT trying to say that Waffle, FSUUCP, or any of the other
Usenetish ports are adequate replacements for Un*x.  Certainly Coherent
systems should NOT appear in any list of Unix systems, I'd say.  (Sure to
stir up an argument there!)

But, to say that there are only two "public access" systems in Atlanta is
a bald-faced lie... or a gross exaggeration, at the very least.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
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From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Citadel68K doors wanted
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 08:05:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep2.160309.5681@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>

Actually, I used to play Nuclear Warfare by Flying Buffalo!  Yes the
idea is similar.  This game is not a PBM game, and turns are not as
rigid.  I will probably be sending out a version to Fred Fish when I
finish testing.  I still have some work to do with the configuration
files and a few things like that.  Is Flying Buffalo still in business?
I haven't played their games in over 10 years.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: nichols@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ed Nichols,998-3504,9983504,1-718-622-6680)
Subject: Puerto Rican BBS?
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:59:00 GMT

Hi,

anybody out there know of a BBS (or two) with internet access 
on the lovely island of Puerto Rico? 
any ideas on where I can find one?
Any help at all would be appreeciated

Thanks...

Ed. Nichols




--
Ed. Nichols.						New York University,
Courant Institute Mathematical Sciences			ACF Operations
Voice: 212-998-3504 			 	e-mail: nichols@acf3.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:49:31 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> 
> >In article <PRD4PB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> >> Usenetish ports are adequate replacements for Un*x.  Certainly Coherent
> >> systems should NOT appear in any list of Unix systems, I'd say.  (Sure to
> >> stir up an argument there!)
> 
> >Why the hell not? It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks
> >like a duck. Unix isn't an operating system... it's a family of operating
> 
> Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year
> (of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
> machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?

Coherent is a multi-user multitasking OS that, by all accounts, bears more
than a passing resemblance to Unix V7. Virtually any Unix user, given a
Coherent shell on a character-based terminal, wouldn't realise they weren't
on Unix. The only thing not-Unix about Coherent is the price - I don't
have to pay $$$$$ in license fees to USL for it.

Should Linux systems appear in a "Public Access Unix systems" list? 386BSD?

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
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From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:46:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

The 3rd party list is growing very rapidly these days.
The good people at Coconut Computing, Inc. down in La Jolla, California
have announced that they are making available a version of their very fine
BBS software for the MWC COHERENT 386 r4.0 operating system.  In fact the
order form for their BBS software package has a box so designated for your
checking off when filling out the form.  It would appear that the price is
the same for all os supported by the package (SCO and MWC).



Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Coherent
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:18:01 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Information Networks, Inc.

peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:

>In article <PRD4PB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>> Usenetish ports are adequate replacements for Un*x.  Certainly Coherent
>> systems should NOT appear in any list of Unix systems, I'd say.  (Sure to
>> stir up an argument there!)

>Why the hell not? It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks
>like a duck. Unix isn't an operating system... it's a family of operating
>systems with widely diverging internals... but the interfaces are all the
>same so as far as users and applications programs are concerned they're the
>same system.

Unix is a family of operating systems.. and is also a trademark.  That is the
main reason I'd suggest avoid the use of the word.  Could there perhaps be a
less legal-action-entangled word we could use instead?  I mean, if I wrote an
OS that provided similar functionality, and it was mine to name, I'd take much
offense at it being "Unix."

Using "Unix" or "Unix-compatible" might be a great marketing ploy, and it might
have real-world advantages (code portability, especially), but so long as AT&T
or USL makes such a pain of the whole ordeal, I'm wondering if Coherent thinks
its a great idea to go about showing just how similar Coherent and Unix really
are...

>-- 
>Peter da Silva                                               `-_-'
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>Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.      Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012       +1 713 274 5180
-- 
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Atlanta, GA  30342, Voice: +1 404 303 2343, UUCP: gatech!vdbsan!dawson
Internet -> X.400:  /G=W/S=DAWSON/O=BSAN/ADMD=BELLSOUTH/C=US/@sprint.com
Percent hack:  dawson%vdbsan@gatech.edu   ::    Standard disclaimer applies.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:07:01 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:

>>	*chuckle*  Depends on what suits you!  I find negotiating
>>menus the *easiest* way to work with BBSes.  However, there are programs
>>that I could use on TBBS (or heck, make my own) that would give it the
>>"shell" feel of unix.  The trouble is that most of our callers barely have
>>a clue of what DOS is, let alone Unix.  I don't see where requiring them
>>to remember "vn -n Vermont-EdNet.Educator.Student" is really helping
>>to accomplish what the main mission of the system is - that is to get
>>teachers and educators experienced with telecommunications.

[* lots of stuff removed to get to the point *]

>> Do I think that TBBS can compete with
>>    unix?  Of course not.  Do I think it can compare with most of the
>>    BBS packages I see on it?  Sure I do.  It has it's points as well as
>>    those packages have their own.  The point is, lets stick to the
>>    BBS debates and not the OS debates.
>That's impossible, because TBBS is an OS of itself. A UNIX BBS has no
>multi-user capabilities, that is what the UNIX system has. TBBS has multi-user
>capabilities because MooSe-DOS hasn't. So you can't separate the BBS from the
>system it runs on.

I'm not up on exactly how TBBS works, but if it takes complete
control of the machine and either boots directly or replaces DOS,
then maybe it is a complete OS in itself. On the other hand, if it's
something like Windows or Desqview that rides on top of DOS which
you can stop and be back in DOS, then I would say it's an
application. I don't know for sure, could somebody fill us in? 

In any case, functionally I believe it acts like an single-tasking
OS running a single application. I don't think it makes a lot of
sense to compare it with a multi-tasking OS + one of any number of
applications, one of which can be TBBS if the multi-tasker has DOS
emulation and TBBS is well behaved enough(?)

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Nexis/Lexis Database, How to access???
Date: 2 Sep 1992 01:07:19 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

jeric@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Jeric Woo) writes:
: Does anyone know how to access the Nexis/Lexis database?  This database 
: allows the user to search major national and regional newspapers and 
: periodicals on a daily basis for cites.

you have to pay for it, of course...

telnet to "lexis.mdc.org".

or use your gopher software to point at
	Msen gopher (gopher.msen.com)
	 Selected Internet Services
	  Commercial Databases
	   Lexis/Nexis
which will get you to the same place and perhaps locate similar and
interesting things along the way.

--Ed

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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,news.software.b
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:57:07 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>We have a news spool on one machine mounted via NFS and run the
>threader on a second machine.  Seems to beef up the operation.
>Also, INN may be a workable alternative to cnews, providing even
>faster expires, etc.

Does INN batch as incoming news arrives?  QM did this, as it opened
a bundle, it would toss and write the articles out to the individual
directory names (ie: a name for each site) then run a job afterwards to
compress the previous bundled when scanned outbound traffic.  None of
this writing of togo files and batching at other times -- ie: instant
batching of news as it arrives.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:42:52 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.

>I'll be posting a copy of my advertisement, along with info on
>Gwinnette.com, the other public access site in Atlanta, to the
>same groups you do along with a copy of our discussion regarding
>this matter so that  people will know why there are no listed
>sites in Atlanta.  You may grab a copy of that if you like.   
>
	What is your problem??  I agree with the author of the list...
he is listing those sites that anyone can access with minimal hassle...
having to phone up/send email, I think, is more hassle then it is
worth.  A simple registration login would be substantially fast.

>Funny thing is, I don't really want a whole lot of new users.  I'm about as
>large as I care to be and I send most inquiries to gwinnette.com.  I teeter
>between breaking even and losing money on the system and offer the service
>AS a service to people in Atlanta who want access.  It is the readers of
>your list in this area that lose from your policy.
>
	Then what are you whining about??  If you really don't want new
users, what is the point of whining to the net about the fact that you
can't 'advertise' in nixpub??  Nixpub has its policies, you have yours...
you don't like nixpubs, so you whine about it to a net that probably
doesn't really care?  Then again, isn't that how government is run...
a whiny, moral minority trying to make policy for the silent majority?

Marc
-- 
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Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell/feed accounts available   1800+ newsgroups
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Subject: Re: BBS's for Linux
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.050553.8341@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.175328.10948@SSD.intel.com> jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.181608.5713@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>>>
>>> But I have yet to see decent BBS software that has been ported to Linux.
>>
>>Actually, Waffle has been ported to Linux. Don't know how you define 'decent'
>>but it's a pretty good product.
>
> That's news to me. It hadn't been as of a few months ago. Part of my BBS
>runs on a waffle.
>
Cant' give you any particulars and I haven't been reading comp.os.linux for a
while, but I remember someone offering diffs to get it to complile. Give a 
shout over in the linux newsgroup and I'll bet someone answers.
-- 
Jerry Gaiser
         Usenet: jerryg@ssd.intel.com
        Fidonet: 1:105/380
           PBBS: n7pwf@n7pwf.or.usa.na
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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:23:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug28.132334.8562
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>>Last I looked, disk space for PC's was (and I'm sure still is) MUCH less
>>expensive than the same space for Unix or VMS platforms.

>My UNIX system and his MicroVax II system uses the same Micropolis ESDI 
>hard drive that you buy for your Pee-Cee for less than $1000.

>Guess what? 

>That's right. We pay the same price.

Now price a 1.2 gigabyte drive for a PC file server and for a VAX
(not a MicroVAX). At my last job, we happened to be upgrading or
Compaq DeskPro 486 and our VAX 6420 at the same time. The drives
for the VAX cost 10 times what the ones for the PC did...
(And don't even ask what the ones for the IBM mainframe cost!)

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: oracle@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Schroeder)
Subject: test..ignore
Keywords: test
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:54:24 GMT

tesT
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