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From: broe@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Frank Breier)
Subject: Alesis D4: Possible to use Triggerinputs as MIDI-Triggers ?
Organization: Communication Networks
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:33:39 GMT

Hi !

Last week, I heard about this brandnew (in Germany!) Alesis D4 Drum Module.
I have two questions:

First, how does it sounds ? Are there more akustical or electronic sounds ?

Second, if you use these trigger inputs, is it possible to use other
Drum modules or sampler via MIDI ?

Thanks in advance,

Frank

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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: Comments MIDI Quest
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:05:13 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-12-92 11:59
PU> Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 09:09:09 PDT
PU> From:         Peter Uchytil <kentrox!ktxs8!peter@UUNET.UU.NET>
PU> Subject:      Comments wanted: MIDI Quest ed/lib
PU> 
PU> I got a flyer in the mail from MIDI Quest announcing a sale on all their
PU> editor/librarians.  I have access to 3 or 4 synths so I figured the univeral
PU> ed/lib would be the best value for me.  The sale takes the price from $300
PU> down to $219.  Pretty decent.
PU> 
PU> Now, the questions:  Anyone used MIDI Quest editors?  I'll be getting the
PU> Windows version.  In the Windows MIDI market is there something in the
PU> comparable price range I should be looking at?  Oh, with the $219 price you
PU> get 650+ sounds from Sound Source Unlimited.  BUT, the 650 sounds are spread
PU> out over several instrument families.  So, I'll only get like 30 SQ2 sounds
PU> and like 100-200 D50 sounds (which I can do nothing with...currently).
PU> 
PU> Pete

        I've been using the Universal librarian from Midiquest for a 
few years now. I'm generally happy with the product but from what 
some others have commented it's not everyones cup of tea. The 
manual is more reference than tutorial so it can be a little 
cryptic. The current Windows version doesn't support MME drivers so if 
you have a Windows based sequencer that uses Windows MPU etc. drivers 
you'll have to exit Windows after you use Midiquest if you want to use 
your sequencer. The MME version of Midiquest is promised before the 
end of this month. I have a good rapport with Mike Lambie of Midiquest 
and he is responsive to his customers, at least he is with me.(Maybe 
it has to do with the fact I lent him my Wavestation when he was 
writing that editor).
       I know I haven't described the product. If you want specific 
info on it's functions, ask. Would I buy it again ? I haven't tried 
any of the other editors. I saw a demo of Galaxy?  and was not 
impressed so I probably would buy it again.
       By the way, Midiquest has moved from Toronto to Vancouver in 
the last month. Their new BBS/fax number is 604-874-8971.
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From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf)
Subject: Re: info on Matrix 1000 needed....
Keywords: matrix 1000, programming, software,
Organization: Axis Communications AB, Lund Sweden
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:55:22 GMT

>*Does this mean that it is basically a matrix 6 in a box, with the exact
>*same architecture? If not, what is different about the matrix 1000. 
>*	specifically, does the matrix 1000 have the f.m. programming
>*available on the matrix 6, as well as the complex modulation routings?
>*	
>
>Yes, its basically a 6 in a box.  The differences are minor, and IMHO
>unimportant.  The sound is a bit thinner to my ears.  Tuning also seems
>to be a bit more stable.  The reference manual makes reference to "DAC
>adjustmests", so I suspect that its really a hybrid inside, which would
>explain the thinner, the more stable tuning, and the smaller package and
>lower cost.

Interesting. Turns out the Matrix-6R and Matrix-1000 use the same
sound chip; got the docs at home but I think it's the Curtis CEM 3396.
Anyone have any (_any_) info on this chip? It appears to contain the VCF
of course + a couple of VCA's. Judging from the limited amount of hardware
in these boxes, I suspect it is also "half a DCO", i.e. the waveform
generation section - the actual frequency being generated by 8254 timer
chips.

Also interesting is that the British Cheetah MS-6 (A 6-voice _multitimbral_
rackmount) also uses the 3396 for sound generation; however, the Oberheim
machines are easier to program, and have more EG's and other goodies.
The MS-6 is not a far cry away, however; wonder when someone will get
around to rewriting the software for the MS-6 to make it more Matrix-like
(now _that's_ an interesting project for Christmas... :_). And, of course,
the Cheetah presets are, well, ah, not _terribly_ useful...

Other views?

/Ricard

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From: blancha@seq.uncwil.edu (Chris Blanchard)
Subject: Information wanted about Midi Soft Studio for Windows
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:06:24 GMT

Well the subject pretty much says it all. I have am in no way familiar with
electronic music but have a client who would like me to put a system together
for her.I was told this was a good package. In short, do you agree? Also let
me add this is a rather base system ie 25MHz 386SX with 4meg RAM and Windows3.1
so it is in no means a "screamer." I'm sure this will be factor and have told
her this. Anyway let me know your opinions as I must reach a decsion by 
Wednesday. If possible please reply by email. Thanks
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From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Mackie Mixers
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:41:21 GMT
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
In-reply-to: bbs.cement@tsoft.sf-bay.org's message of 20 Aug 92 18:10:33 GMT



> The Mackie 1604 Mixer has a phase problem, this I know. But, does the 
> 1202 model share this same _wonderful_ artifact?

As I am unaware of this, could you (or someone else) please elaborate
how, how bad, and what effects this might have?  Thanx.

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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.dsp,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: AUDIO-CD READING ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:46:24 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <BtCrD3.Ly@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> eckert@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Toerless Eckert) writes:
>I don't agree. For once i wouldn't call it "not important enough",
>i would instead argue that most people, especially from marketing
>are too dumb to see the chances of this approach, so they didn't
>even try to sell it for this reason. Most people from the audio industry
>really do not understand what 'digital' means. Or can you tell me, why
>there are no cheap CDP players with digital audio output (possibly
>digital output only), but only expensive ones have digital output ?

The number of people who want digital output from their cheapo CD
player would be a tiny fraction of one percent.  Why go to the cost and
trouble of adding a digital output only a few people will use?

I'll bet that only a few percent of people who own high-end CD players
ever use the digital output jack on them, either.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:19:39 GMT
Subject: Re: list of synth names/descriptions
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

broe@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Frank Breier) writes:

>    This year to Frankfurter Musikmesse a book is published called "Key Report"
>    which contains all important synths and samplers since 1972.

I'd really like to see the OTHER list, of all UNimportant synths and samplers
since 1972.  "Con Brio ADS-2000 ... Paia Gnome ... Wurlitzer whatever..."

Hmm, come to think of it, perhaps there were no unimportant synths... Huh!

             Jim Smith                   smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
  I grabbed the Spike of Power from the ugly doodle, and there was a flash...
 I looked *cute as a button* as I thumped the forest floor.  Flower laughed.  
   There was smoke in the distance.  Man had come to the forest.  Bambi's 
    mother looked worried, even though the evil spirit was safely locked 
in a tree.  The men had a machine that ate trees.  And Godzilla was coming.
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From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Flaming problem (was Re: ensoniq SD1-32 vs.....)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:13:25 GMT


    From: etsang@skat.usc.edu (Eric Tsang)
      One more thing before I go.  There is a very serious FLAMING problem 
    all around NEWS groups.

In the words of Harry Truman (or maybe it was Saint George):

   "If you can't take the heat, don't tickle the dragon."

Seriously, Nick's response wasn't much of a flame, and even really vicious
flames can't actually hurt you unless you believe in them.  Just like
ghosts and porcupines.

This go-round was good practice for you.  A few more of these exchanges and
you'll be ready to toss out opinions on some really incendiary topics:

* Which synth has the best piano sound and best piano feel.  (Nothing with a
  Y in the name, that's for sure!)

* Why the nostalgia for analog synthesis is just a preposterous
  affectation, like wine snobbery.  It's just spoiled grape juice, guys!

* How standard music notation got so screwed up because the silly Italians
  got to it first.

* Whether this "industrial" stuff is likely to replace rap as the most
  boring form of noise ever conceived.

* Whether it is OK to finger-synch your music on stage, as long as you
  COULD play it if you wanted to.

* Why Ataris are ridiculous toys.

* Why Lisp is the only reasonable computer language.

* Where the caps-lock key on a computer keyboard should be.  (Answer: on
  the back of the keyboard under a titanium plate held down by 16 tiny
  screws and guarded by a rabid scorpion.)

* What should be done to the inventor of the one-button mouse.  (Hint:
  Involves a meat cleaver, fingers, and carnivorous tropical fish.)

* Whether Dan Quayle should be forced to carry his baby to term.

Cheers,
Scott

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School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Internet: sef+@cs.cmu.edu

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From: seioshan@cae.wisc.edu (Baher Seioshansian)
Subject: Trumpet for sale
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:22:32 CDT
Originator: seioshan@sun-25.cae.wisc.edu


 Hi everyone, 
	I have a trumpet for sale, the brand is calld "Jupiter" I only used it
for 2 month, it is roughly new. I'm asking for $150-200 so I sell it
accoriding to best price I get.  Thank you 


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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:01:51 EST
From:         "W. John Weber" <WWEBER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Wanted: Korg DVP-1

Date sent: 14-AUG-1992


     I have a friend who is looking for DVP-1's.  Mail me with a price if you
have one to sell.

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Internet: wweber@ucs.indiana.edu       | for a while, then tear it down, and
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From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Tell me about the K2000
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:40:16 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: jtn@ADS.COM's message of 18 Aug 92 03:41:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.034130.27679@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson) writes:

   I wonder if Kurzwiel will have a better SFX chip in the rackmount.

I was sort-of wondering that as well. I had a good play with John
Rossi's K2000 when it was sitting in Metlay's basement, and the thing
just didn't push my buttons. So, it can filter and distort in clever
ways, that's it. A good FX architecture (a la Wavestation) might just
save it.

Nick. ("Yee-OH!")
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From: richardp@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Richard R Prince)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Midi and Laptop pc's
Keywords: What midi devices???
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:35:50 GMT
Distribution: usa


 I'm sure someone here would know....  Are there "boxes" or whatever to
 use a laptop pc with midi?  Since you only have (usually) one serial and
 one parallel port outputs, and no way (unless you're wealthy) to use an
 internal midi card - whatever "it" is would have to connect to one of the
 ports.  If there are such devices....any info you might wish to share
 would be appreciated.
 Please email, let's not clog up the net.....Thanks in advance.   Rick
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Subject: Money to spend...
From: sands@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Greg Sands)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: g.sands@aukuni.ac.nz
Organization: University of Auckland

A friend of mine had his D70 nicked the other week, which was a bit of a 
hassle, but anyway the insurance company has decided to pay out about
NZ$5000 (probably around US$2500) for it.  The thing is, he needs to buy
another synth, and present them with the receipt before they'll pay.  So
the $2500 question is - what to buy? 

As far as he is concerned, a synth is for playing, not for programming 
(well not much anyway), so something that is easy to use straight off would
probably be best (no long learning curve).  The D70 wasn't bad in that 
respect - though the presets weren't wonderful, there were enough there to
sit down and play a few songs.  95% of its use would be as part of a church
band, so various good piano-related sounds are a must, and other 
accompaniment-type sounds are best.  Having ROM cards available with extra 
sounds would be really nice.  I (myself) like tweaking the parameters
a bit, and wouldn't mind some programming of it, so a moderately straight-
forward editing ability would be nice.  Again, the D70 did pretty well with
this sort of thing - can anything made in the last 2 or 3 years do any 
better?  A good keyboard feel is important, with at least 76 keys, as most 
of the people playing it would have played the piano for some time. 

Just listing those things out, it seems like the D70 did most of what we
wanted, that was released several years ago now.  From reading this group,
it doesn't seem like Roland have produced anything to surpass it - has 
anyone else?  Remember that a high powered synth (a la Wave-Station) would
probably be overkill in this case, so I'm not asking for your dream
machine!  Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

Greg.
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From: U15708@uicvm.uic.edu (Mario Kefalopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wanted: MQuest and XOR templ. for VFXsd/SD-1
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:39:25 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Hello,

I got a couple of editor/librarian demos from a bbs for the ibmpc, namely
the MidiQuest and the XOR.  I'm looking for templates for the Ensoniq
VFXsd or SD-1 synthesizers for either package.  Any help  will be appreciated.

Thank you.



[:> Mario

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From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Matrix 6/6R/1000 portamento, last try
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:53:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol

My quest for good quality portamento on my Matrix 6 is nearing an end.  I
thought I finally had all the tricks I need, but there's still a hitch.  I
make a final appeal to net.wisdom before throwing in the towel.

My complaint with Matrix 6 portamento has always concerned the key assign
modes.  I usually want portamento for monophonic lead lines, and therefore in
order to get the notes to slide properly I would need to set the key assign
mode to UNISON.  But I don't usually want the buzzy sound quality of UNISON
mode. (Also, you can hear some quantization of the pitch when doing very fast
slides, but that's less of a concern to me.)

So recently, for old time's sake, I was browsing through my 2.13 ROM upgrade
documentation to see if there were any neato features I had missed.  Sure 
enough, there was "MIDI MONO" mode.  When on, the mode causes each of the
six voices to be controlled by a different MIDI channel.  The perfect solution
for portamento, I think.  So I tried it out.

I set up a simple patch with one oscillator, with no modulation, and pitch
and filter tracking set to "portamento".  The filter envelope was disabled.
I set the amplitude envelope to "strig", so legato playing would not
retrigger it.  I thought at this point that legato playing should produce
absolutely smooth sliding from note to note.  It was very, very close, but I
could hear (easily) some type of clicking when each note was struck.  I can't
think of anything in the patch that could cause any kind of discontinuity
from note to note, but there it is.

So, for those who have read this far, the question is:  am I missing some
subtle part of the patch that I need to tweak, or is the Matrix 6 flat-out
incapable of doing a perfect portamento?

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Subject: 7/8 (Re: Notation question for C-Lab's Notator 3.1)
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:08:09 EDT
Organization: Harvard Math Department
Keywords: notation

In article <1992Aug21.183238.3770@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
joeg@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Joe Gaudreau {Dances with PostScript}) writes:
>I'm using Notator 3.1 to create a score and have run into a notational
>problem...
>
>I'd like to represent a dotted half note tied to an eighth of the same pitch
>(ie a note the length of 3/4 + 1/8).  Notator will let me enter such a note,
>but it gets represented at a double dotted half note, which I suppose is
>correct (2/4 + 1/4 + 1/8).  It just doesn't look good to me and I'm concerned
>that someone may not sight read it correctly the first time (the other form is
>easier and seems somewhat more 'standard' (yes??))

Double dot is standard; one also sees occasionally a triple dot (a triple-
dotted half-note would be  2/4 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16, i.e. one sixteenth
short of a whole note), and there are quadruple dots in the Verdi Requiem.
If you want to split it into two tied notes to facilitate sight-reading,
split it at a major beat; this will usually mean half note tied to dotted
quarter (2/4 + 3/8), but if for instance you're writing in 6/4 and the
7/8-note is at the beginning of the bar then your split would be preferred
(and probably better than the double-dot).

At any rate, a notation program that does not allow you to easily
override defaults such as this one is contemptible.

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University
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From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: Anybody used a Kawai K3R before?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:20:04 GMT


The K3 (keyboard) and K3r rackmount are fairly straightforward analog synths,
with, (as I dimly recall) digitally controlled oscillators (DCOs).  It has two
DCOs, two envelopes, one VCF and one LFO (probably global, this is KAWAI we are
talking about) per voice.  It is probably 6 or 8 voices, monotimbral.
It was favorably mentioned in terms of its potential for string pads.  Karl
Moeller used to use one.

Put it this way, it's less powerful than a Matrix-1000, but it might sound
cleaner.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Can I have some more aftertouch on that
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |     snooze-alarm?"
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From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice)
Subject: K2000 problem
Organization: Systems Development Environment Support, BNR, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:42:11 GMT


I've seen almost nothing but good stuff about the K2000 lately.
A friend of mine almost bought one until he learned that
Kurzweil is struggling with an overheating problem in them.  

Seems that a fan needs to be installed to prevent the system 
from cooking itself.

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