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From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:26:20 GMT

RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com writes:

>As part of becoming a certified TKD instructor in my style (Songahm TKD
>via ATA), I need to submit a thesis-type paper.
>I'm contemplating something like 'the physical laws underlying board-
>breaking' (and their application to teaching it).
>Anybody know of somereading on this?

There is a brief discussion in the Fall 1990 Skeptical Inquirer (pp.
25-26).  There was an article on board and brick breaking in
Scientific American sometime in the 1970's or early 1980's.  Perhaps
an index would help locate it.
-- 
Ian Taylor | ian@airs.com | First to identify quote wins free e-mail message:
``It takes a man months and months to reconcile himself to a new hat.  And
  just when you're preparing to send it to the jumble sale, he says, `That's
  rather a nice hat you've got on, where did you get it?' ''
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:46:57 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <HELLER.92Jul26101949@teucer.think.com> heller@teucer.think.com (Steve Heller) writes:
>
>If temperature were the only important measure of the liquid, the answer
>would be: "it doesn't", but there are other considerations.  As I
>understand it, and I'm not a physicist, there are more crystalization sites
>in hot water than in cold water, and when the hot water passes through the
>lower temperature, it isn't in exactly the same state as the cooler liquid.
>So, the freezing process can in fact take less time starting with hot
>water.  In any case, this is easy enough to try at home.

   And what happens to the hot water when it gets to the same temperature
   as the cold water?  I quess the memory of all the hot times it had as
   hot water gives added incentive to hurry up and freeze.

   By the way I've got this bridge to sell...

-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender Wiggin)
Subject: Re: FINAL Re: Hot water
Organization: Under protest
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:05:55 GMT

In article <osborn.712364585@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

>One wonders what this is doing in rec.m-a. However, since I know a physicist
>who has investigated this, I'll stop the topic...

An experimental physicist I know (me) has done this experiment nightly
for a year or so...In a Kelvinator (moist/cold) fridge the cold one
freezes first.  

>The thermodynamic/energetic arguments are all perfectly valid explanations
>of what happens when you put a container of HOT water in your freezer, or
>a container of COLD water. The quirk which MAY see the HOT one freezing 
>sooner is an artifact of the freezer (it's thermostat sensor location and
>heat transfer rates within the vicinity of the container and sensor).

>Hot air rises, cool air descends. The HOT source, under the control of
>heat flow and the sensor drives the fridge faster (ie, it is pumping for
>a larger proportion of the time). Also, convection within the HOT container 
>makes an initial difference to the rate of cooling of the exterior of 
>the HOT container (its exterior cools slower than the cold one's) - but only 
>initially.

>Critical experiment: HOT and COLD containers in the freezer simultaneously!

The cold one still freezes first ! Especially if they a well separated.

>Fan-driver freezers upset the explanation (and the COLD one freezes first).
Yes exacltly !
Ender.
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial Arts, Ninjas and Superspies
Date: 22 Jul 1992 20:04:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 4756@iitinc.uucp, aaron@iit.com (Aaron Emigh) writes:
>In article <BrMF49.CLJ@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>>In article <seah.711420021@sfu.ca> seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
>>>By the way, what IS DIM MAK?
>>
>>Well, DIM MAK, is LIKE "DIM SUM", its a chinese dish or rather a group of 
>>dishes, commonly served for brunch. In the case of DIM MAK its served
>>sometime between the midnight and 11:59pm. :) :)
>
>Actually, the main distinguishing feature of a dim mak meal is that your
>appetite isn't sated as you eat it.  Suddenly, in a day or a week (or
>more, depending on the particular items ingested), you feel full.
>
>Aaron Emigh
>aaron@iit.com

I thought it was the chinese equivalent of a Big Mac..."I'll have a DIM
MAK to go, hold the pickles, and a large choke...uh coke."

	-Garth




			= = = = = = =
  | Garth R. Doverspike		Sun Microsystems, S.E. Seattle |
  | garth.doverspike@west.sun.com			       |
From: geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:15:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: mlb.1992Jul24.151504.11518
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, HSS

In article <1daa02V51bH301@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tjc50@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
|> 
|> I've never heard that, but a friend of mine heard from a Physics major
|> that hot water will freeze faster.  The Physics major heard it from a
|> professor who wrote for Scientific American, so it must be true.

for god's sake pleasepleaseplease don't crosspost any followups to
sci.physics. :-)

-- 
Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force

MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883, 
Melbourne  FL 32905.  geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com

"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."
From: simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Knives, pressure points, and Kadena de mano
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:59:58 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

I attended a seminar/workout last Sunday in the Filipino art of
Kadena de Mano. If ever you want to learn about knife fighting,
please seek out this art!  I was and am a complete novice in using
blades - the instructor and students here seem to truly understand
the weapon and the tactics.  I think I may begin to see how much
I don't know about knife fighting... 

Suro* Mike Inay also taught us several unarmed techniques which were
explicitly nerve and nerve plexus attacks.  In his discussion of
these, Suro Inay mentioned that he was careful about who it was he
taught some nerve strikes; I think I heard him say (carefully not
putting quotes on this, because I may have mis-remembered) that he
knew some nerve strikes that would kill, and he didn't want to have
that responsibility unless he was sure the student would handle it
properly.  He also talked about his first-hand (he did the technique)
experiences with some of the students in his classes, and the second-
hand (what the students reported, what he observed) results of those
techniques: one student was essentially unaffected by upper-torso
nerve attacks, but very strongly negatively affected by attacks to
nerves in the legs.  Suro Inay made a point that different people
reacted different ways to the same attacks.

I don't think I remember any of the Dillman/pressure point posts
denying that pressure points were/could be effective, but more that
things like death, and particularly delayed-effect death or disablement
were unproven.  I do know that in _my_ case the one technique Suro Inay
applied to my neck (most politely, "see how this feels") was quite painful
but also transitory - 2 or 3 minutes later my neck had forgotten about
it.  The other strikes we practiced, mostly upper arm and shoulder,
had a noticeable difference in effectiveness when my partner got the nerve
and when he didn't - though the nerve part was almost secondary, the
leverage and momentum change/control were quite good.

It was a good class - I'll amplify that in a post for CA distribution,
since San Jose is kind of out of reach for the rest of the readers.


* "suro" - "sensei" equivalent, "master" or "teacher"
-- 
--------
< standard disclaimer >
                          INGRES, an ASK Company
John Simutis, simutis@ingres.com         Alms!  Alms for the vi-impaired!
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is Publication of Net Posts ok?
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:04:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

Dakin,

The relationship of copyright law to net postings is one of the
Eternal Flames of the network, and is best discussed on the new
group alt.culture.usenet.  My opinion, which seems to be in accord
with that of some much more experienced netters, is that anything
I post to the network is essentially cast to the four winds.

Having read your postings, I trust that you'll use good standards
of scholarship and honesty with respect to attributions, not quoting
out of context or twisting others' words to suit your meaning, etc.
And perhaps most importantly, reading the whole thread to see if the
material you're quoting was later rebutted or corrected -- Usenet 
tends to hunt the truth not with a single cannon shot, but with many
arrows fired from many directions, some of which miss their mark.
(Often, you may find that digested "net.consensus" will be more
useful -- and easier on the reader -- than the "raw data" of the 
postings that went into it.)

My only misgiving about being quoted outside the net.community is
that outsiders might not understand the informal, work-in-progress
nature of most Usenet writing.  This can be assuaged with attention
to the points mentioned above and perhaps a brief caveat.

In short: I speak for no one else, but if you've found anything in my 
ramblings that's worth using elsewhere, you're welcome to use it without 
prior approval.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:13:20 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu's message of 30 Jul 92 02:56:27 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.205628.292@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

[snip]

   The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
   recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.

"Occidental" = "Western".  I think the word you want is "Oriental".

Not that I agree with your generalizations, but anyway...
--


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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Aikidog was: Dog Techniques
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:44:44 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of MD, College Park
Summary: 		-=-=-< correcting the rat >-=-=-
Followup-To: 	find someone at random.... blow their mind...
Keywords: 	mildly irritated.....

In article <3316@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.161238.27528@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>>Perhaps the cause of this is one of two things:
>>	- most dogs don't spend a lot of time practicing falling techniques
>
>	Dogs have to be taught to jump.  Once you teach them a German
>Sheperd sized dog can clear an >6 foot fence with a running start.

	this is utter bullsh**.  i used to raise show setters, had goldens,
mixed muts, and germans....  none of them needed to be taught how to jump.
in point of fact, i had a setter, about one year old, who kept getting out
of a yard, surrounded by a 6' fence.  i just couldn't understand it!  then
one day when i happened to be at home for lunce, i looked out the window in
total amazement as he literally and effortlessly sailed ove the 6' fence,
with at least 6" to spare, and take off after a neighborhood dog.
	it has been my personal experience that dogs *do* *NOT* need to be
specifically taught to jump.  in fact, you might need to train them *NOT* 
to jump!
	as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:18:57 CDT

In article <3342@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>	So, my questions are "What can be done to help people, and female
>people in particular, get over this mental block of hypertrophied pacifism
>so that they can benefit from learning to deal with violence,

.... change all of western society and its socialization of the sexes.

>and is my
>perception that women are more subject to this...confining...point of
>view accurate or colored by my personal experience, and does anyone agree 
>that the first step to taking back the night might be to stop having to be
>afraid of every half-assed punk with a gleam in his eye" ?

You don't really think your "Sweet Magnolia" is just afraid, do you?

Let's not forget the "weak and helpless and dependent = feminine" and
"feminine is a good thing for females" attitudes that are dominant in this
society (not to mention the raft of complementary cliches for males).

I suspect if you referred to your "Sweet Magnolia" as your "Kick-Ass Carnation"
very few people would think this to be either normal or complimentary? (I don't 
think "Sweet Magnolia" is either, but I am assuming you are being facetious).

C'mon, "Wharf Rat", you're not really so oblivious to the socialization
of the sexes from even *before* birth in this country, are you?

You're just trying to stir up a hornet's nest over here in quiet, gentle,
peaceful, respectful, humanity-loving rec.ma, right ? 

-Lauren
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:06:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.174628.3206@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams) writes:
> 
> 	Does anyone out there in netland know of any reputable mail order
> companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
> blades, and would like to know where to purchse them and what people think of
> them.

	I've had good luck with The Cutlery Shoppe (800-231-1272).

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

BELL:   voice:(408) 492-0900  fax: (408) 492-0909  
USnail:	Auspex Systems, 2952 Bunker Hill Lane, Santa Clara, CA 95054  
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ae561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Wong)
Subject: Movie on the 3 kingdoms?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:11:36 GMT


	Does anyone know where could I get a movie based on the 3Kingdoms?
Cantonese...Manderin...English okay

-- 
ae561@clevleand.freenet.edu
pwong@heartland.bradley.edu
usr10687@tso.uc.EDU
From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:19:44 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2




   Has anyone noticed in this month's Black Belt magazine, how they 
are trying to make Seagal look like an unjustly victimized good guy?


     It seems they were the ones that were giving the story most of the
hype.
I happen to train at the Jet Center occasionally and have had the
opportunity
to speak with Bill Wallace one of the so called Dirty Dozen. He is so
much the opposite
of what he is made out to be by the publications. He also said that since
Bob Wall
had asked him to take part in the challenge , he thought that it would be
fun.

    The magazine seems to forget the image they were trying to portray of 
this self centered, spoiled actor who thought he could kick everyones
butts.
They later reported that, to put an end to his bragging  Judo Gene LeBell
punched
Segal out on the sound stage of a movie they were working on together.

     So much for unbiased reporting. They're on everybody's side.
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: dojo.west.sun.com

In article 292@ccsvax.sfasu.edu, z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu () writes:
>What's the difference between Western and Eastern thought?
>
>This is an example of Eastern thought:
>
>This is an example of Western thought:


Stories deleted...

>
>The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
>recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.

Well, we might also recognize specialization.  Someone who practiced their
whole lives plucking flies from the air with chopsticks, might be able to do 
little else.  Just as a great high-jump artist might not be able to run a 
marathon.

Now if the old man had chopped the wings off the flys, I would have been
convinced...

-Garth


			= = = = = = =
  | Garth R. Doverspike		Sun Microsystems, S.E. Seattle |
  | garth.doverspike@west.sun.com			       |
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: gerber@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Rudolph Gerber)
Subject: Re: Aikido and Randori
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:49:26 GMT

In article <0eNMn5y00iU49U6Sls@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>tom@medtgk.b17a.ingr.com (Tom Kirk) writes:
>>  2.   How realistic do you think your randori practice is?
>>      
>> In most of the classical (Hombu-style) randori I've 
>> seen - the attacks were sincere and made with realistic intent, 
>> but they were mostly shomenuchi (overhead strike), middle punch, 
>> and various grabs.  Hardly any jabs or hooks are thrown and very 
>> few, if any, kicks.  In other words mostly just the standard Aikido 
>> type attacks without any surprises thrown in.
>
[story of "unorthodox" grab from behind (around the waist) deleted]

Hmm... Whomever you grabbed, if sufficiently advanced, should have 
been able to deal with such an attack -- we practiced some just
like that (from the sound of your description) when I was an even 
more rank beginner than I am now.  In fact, there is a whole 
set of such attacs, the names of which all begin with Ushiro-te:
grab from behind.  The reason this grab succeeded in imobilizing
your nage was probly simply that his hands were busy with the other 
opponent you mentioned.

BTW, this guy should in theory never have let you have the opportunity 
to make such an attack, part of the theory of Randori being that 
your back is only to an opponent when he/she is too far away to do you any
harm, and the bulk of the time you keep all your opponents in front of you,
while throwing them into oneanother.  In situations where you start out
in the center of a circle of opponents, your first move should take you
to the perimeter of the circle, putting one of your opponents into the 
space where you were just standing so that all of your opponents hit 
THAT person, and not you...

And I don't think it matters that most of the attacks are the traditional
unarmed aikido attacks.  Any other unarmed attacks are similar enough
to the standard ones that only a slight modification of one's technique
is required-- THAT'S WHY THESE ATTACKS WERE CHOSEN AS THE BASIC, STANDARD
ONES to begin with.

And many of the udansha in my dojo are very capable of dealing with 
non-standard attacks.  I know because I attack them in a different way 
if they give me the opening-- and it rarely does me any good.  Some of 
these udansha actually seek me out so that they can experiment with all 
of the varitions on a standard technique of attack and defense.

So I think the problem is not that Aikido can not handle non-standard
attacks or non "dodge-ball" style randori, but that we beginners often 
want to do these things far before we are ready.  

AND PLEASE NOTE:  I don't mean that I am any better in this regard! :)

Joe Gerber
From: kevin@pages (Kevin Sven Berg)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Stretching, injury prevention, performance references
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:32:59 GMT
Organization: Banzai Research Institute

More good material on stretching can be found in "Fleximetrics" by Nick Wynne.
The book states why/how flexibility helps muscle performance, what anotomy
gets stretched, basic rules for stretching, different categories of stretching,
and application.

For example...

A common mistake many people make is identifying muscle "tone" (amount of 
tension muscles have at rest) for stretching. It is very common to see
people 'launch' into a stretching position and gently bounce against the
stiff muscle. This type of stretching activates the myophasic reflex,
which contracts the muscles on every bounce, producing more tone (which
feels like gaining extension because of tissue resistance).

Unlike build muscle size (hypertrophy), lengthening muscle tissue occurs
when the muscles being stretched are relaxed. To avoid myophsic reflex,
stretching must be done slowly, and finally, the stretching position
should not load the muscles being stretched (eg. by requiring the same
muscles for balance).

The author goes on to describe how to take advantage of the physiology
of reciprical inhibition or innervation to enhance the muscle coordination
in the area of the stretch. A method is given for measuring your
Maximum Relaxed Extension in a stretch, which can be used to indicate
progress in a set of excersizes. Like bodybuilding, the author also suggests
a schedule for rotation.

For information, try writing...

Fleximetrics
C.L.E. Inc.
P.O. Box 248
Yellow Springs, OH  45387
From: toman@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joseph Toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:18:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul23.221834.19970
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

In article <1992Jul23.044340.26626@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.191631.7251@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.173404.1232@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>>>In article <Brsont.Bnu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher) writes:
>>>>Hmmm...
>>>>
>>>>The Quantum Mechanics of board breaking?  I'm not too sure if that's the way
>>>
>>>OK, OK, OK...let's get a board, some cyanide, a karate-ka in a cat suit, and
>>>a BIG airtight box...
>>>
>>>This is, of course, the famous Schrodinger's Tameshiwari thought experiment.
>>>
>>>The cat suit is *not* optional.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>
>>..... all you guys are gonna want Michelle Pfeiffer for this, aren't you...
>>
>
>Nope, it *has* to be Kathy Long. The experiment won't work unless the
>subject is a Real Martial Artist (tm).
>
>Unless, of course, you're volunteering ;-).
>
>Steve

It wouldn't work with any of them. The point is that the MA in the cat
suit is not being observed, so that the wavefunction isn't collapsed and
the quantum statistics still apply. If you used any of these women, in a cat 
suit, they would be constantly, er, um, 'measured'. No, really, I know how 
experimentalists think. ;-)

						J. Toman
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