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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton's Tax Increases - A Little Truth
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:37:48 GMT
Distribution: na, usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Mitch from Amiga makes the sweeping generalization;

>Us conservatives WON'T ignore the constitution or try to alter it :)

What about Ollie North?  And isn't the proposed budget amendment
an alteration of the constitution?
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From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Buchanan's speech
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:56:02 GMT


In a previous article, wmporter@jetson.uh.edu (William M. Porter) says:

>In article <37004@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs)
>writes...
>
>>Pat Buchanan is using his religiosu convictions to tell others how
>>to behave and if they don't they are no true americans. Freedom is
>>america, america is freedom he said. But what kind of freedom is
>>this may I ask. A freedom limited by religious narrowmindedness, gay
>>bashing, anti feminism, rascism?
>
>What religious narrowmindedness do you find in Buchanan? What gay-bashing? What
>racism?

[!!!!!!!]

> I don't ask about feminism, as I grant that Buchanan is an adversary to
>feminism, at least in its radical/lib form.
>
>I have many friends who are gay. A gay friend played the harpsichord at my
>wedding.  I spent a year as a boarder in a house owned by a gay man. One of the
>best teachers I ever had is gay.  My gay friends are good people. I do not
>"bash" them or tolerate "bashing" when I hear it elsewhere. But I do NOT
>support "gay rights" nor do I think that homosexuality is, in itself, a
>recommendable life-style. I absolutely oppose granting legal recognition to
>homosexual marriages, in fact, it is a legally absurd idea.
>
Hmmmmm.....
"`...some of my best friends are colored....heck, I got one working for me,
she cleans my house and cooks my meals, and cares for my kids, and I only
count the silverware once a week...I even let her come into the family
room, as long as I don't have proper company.  But let coloreds VOTE or
idea!  They should keep THEIR PLACE!!!'"...

(sigh....)  Attitudes like this are proof of the old addage.  The Republicans
say they want chage, but the more things change, the more they stay the same.    
-- 
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From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Will Raise YO
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

TO: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,mitch@lsil.com

  .Subject: Re: Clinton Will Raise YOUR Taxes - NOT!
  .Message-ID: <1992Aug13.232225.15152@lsil.com>
  .Date: 13 Aug 92 23:22:25 GMT
  .Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com

Mitch Sako writes:

MS.In article 713712371@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu, aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (A
  .ew C. Aiken) writes:
  .>In <1992Aug12.164449.27090@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
  .>>In article 27597@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (To
  .erigrin) writes:
  .>>>If the only way to eliminate the debt is to raise taxes,  then we need to
  .>>>do it.   We can't afford to keep pouring tax dollars down the "debt intere
  .>>>rathole".
  .>>There's one other way to fix the deficit....INFLATION
  .>       Why, liberals presume that inflation is the "solution" to
  .>everything.  After all, what prosperous country would not choose to
  .>follow the gleaming example of Brazil?

MS.I wasn't advocating inflation.  I was merely pointing out what many conservat
  .s
  .and liberals have been saying.  Inflation is ONE solution to the problem.

MS.If one is prepared for inflation (i.e. high debt, high leverage, etc.) then
  .inflation can be a very wonderful thing.  It's not all bad.  Many people got
  .very rich during the high inflation of the '70s.

I don't understand how anyone can claim that inflation is beneficial,
let alone a means for some to get rich.  If I invest $10, and 100%
inflation doubles my investment to $20, but it can only buy the same
quantity of goods or services that I once bought with $10, how did I get
rich?  The reality, of course, is that SOME people will get rich under
any circumstances with the right investments at the right time; however,
since the huge majority of people are dependent upon a paycheck, and
live from week to week, most people will be hurt by inflation, resulting
in lower spending, lower tax revenues, less saving, subsequent loss of
jobs, downsizing of inventories, etc.

There is only ONE source of inflation: the gov't.  When they create more
money to 'increase' circulation, the direct result is inflation.
Nothing else can 'cause' inflation.  The ONLY way to reduce debt is to
stop spending more than you have.  Look at your own budgeting practices
and tell me how you would reduce your own debt.  The gov't case is no
different.  You can either make more money by getting a raise, or by
getting another job, and then spending your new found wealth on paying
down the debt ONLY.  No new widgets, cars, clothes, etc.  Not so easy.
The only difference is that our congress is SUPPOSED to represent us!
Not themselves.

Regards,
Todd

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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Libertarians on Rush Limbaugh
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:04:13 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 27210@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.175023.26026@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cb926@cleveland.Freenet
>..Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan) writes:
>>I just heard today that the grand master let on a conservative
>>libertarian to ask, "What's so bad about Libertarianism?"
>> <stuff deleted>
>>-- Ed
>If you don't like it, don't listen.  It's HIS show.  In response to your 
>previous post:  He may be making an ass out of himself, but he is also making 
>himself rich!

I disagree with almost everything he says, I don't particularly care for
him personally but I disagree with your contention that Mr. Ryan shouldn't
listen.  I believe in free speech and I believe in knowing as much as possible,
even if I disagree with it.  

I agree that it's his show and he's getting rich off it, however, that should
not be any justification for anyone to not be able to flame the host when he
gets out of line.  Heck, if he wasn't controversial, nobody would listen.

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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A fine opporitunity for flaming liberal flameage
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:27:11 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Aug12.145000.5961@dbsun.uucp> hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:

->  George Bush has repeatedly supported prayer in schools.  And he's not even
->a real conservative :>)  School choice just masks the real issue.  If you
->were to start a religious school based on the principles of Jerry Falwell,
->and people could get vouchers from the state to pay for it, in effect the
->state has supported religion, and the preferred religion is the one that
->gets the most vouchers.  Another school could be founded, too.  One that 
->teaches Satanism and shows pornography in addition to the regular curriculum.
->And *your* tax dollars would have to support *that* school.

 We all realize what will happen when the Free Market is let loose in the
education system. People will establish demands for certain types of schools
which teach what they want teached. Schools will become more specialized and
diversity will reign supreme. Diversity is the key to freedom.  Also, the
global free market of the 21st century is going to need diverse and fluid
educational systems to handle the incredible amount of diversity which will
flourish in a non-statist world.
 In a small government state, most people wont require assistance from the
government for school funding. They can use the money the government pre-
viously stold from them. However, some funding help might be required for
a while. Libertarians take note....:>

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley)
Subject: Re: Lots of new millionairs
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:42:57 GMT

In article <mykes.0cb4@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>IMO, too much emphasis is placed on the fact that the number of millionairs
>increased from 4,000-6000 to 64,000 during the 80's.  I can come up with
>ONE blatant and obvious way that a significant number of them became millionairs.
>And you can't blame it on Reaganomics or the S&L crooks or anything like that :)
>
>Consider the state lotteries...  If 10 states gave away $1,000,000 per week for
>10 years, the lottery would have made 5,200 new millionairs.  Here in California,
>there are several weekly lotteries that can make a person a millionaire.  And
>often, there are big prize lotteries that have multiple winners (share millions).
>
>Could it be that as many as 1/4 of those new millionairs are lotto winners? :)

Now why didn't I think of that?  This is actually an interesting and
apparently valid explanation for a good proportion of the new
millionaires.  I don't think that I've ever heard this before.  

Thanks

Tim


Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Tax Increases - A Little Truth
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:24:53 GMT

While reading article <1992Aug12.200948.29368@lsil.com>, I noticed that
mitch@lsil.com said the following:
>Let me try some basic logic here.  If the Congress is responsible for all the
>tax increases and Bush is powerless to do anything about it then what difference
>does it make who is president?  Obviously, the president has no power in this
>matter of taxation.  Why all the fuss over Clinton's tax promises and whatnot?

The basic power the President has is the power of veto.  While things like the
1990 Tax Bill are passed by Congress quite routinely, they usually are not
passed with the majority necessary to override a Presidential veto.
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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Liberal press...   yeah, sure
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:47:33 GMT
Distribution: na, usa
Organization: A.I. Chem Lab, University of Arizona

Kurt Krueger says;

>Well, you're a neophyte to this business of keeping tabs, so most of us
>seasoned veterans see why you have come to your conclusion.

Gee, Mr. Krueger,  how do you know that I am a neophyte?   Fallacy #1,
unsupoort assumption.      Falalcy #2,   arguementum ad hominum,  start
by attacking the person...

Which leads to fallacy #3, the rst of the message, which didn't contain
any hard facts or statistics,  but  consisted of a lot of vague allegations
of bias, without a single meaningful statistic to back it up...

Mr. Krueger,  if you are a seasoned veteran,  then I am happy as a clam
to take the  sobriquet of "neophyte". (P.S.  this isn't arguementum
ad hominum, becuase I'm not using it to support my position... it's merely
a gratuitous insult)
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Cheated? was Re: A fine opportunity for DITTOHEAD flameage
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:28:27 GMT
	<1992Aug11.121344.4827@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory

In article <1992Aug11.121344.4827@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:

   If it's not true, why did he not deny it???   Why did he not admit it???  
   Didn't want to lie OR be honest, I guess.  Veeeeeery Slick indeed!
   -- 
	      Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
	Dept. of Chemical Engineering
	 Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
		Win Twins!


Who cares? Not me. I don't care if Bush messed with Jennifer Fitzgerald
either. I don't think it has a hell of a lot to do with the job of the
presidency. 

History is full of great leaders whose feet were made of clay.

L.
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From: DART@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (415)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Liberatarians on Limbaugh.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:30:20 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!cb926
From: cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Libertarians on Rush Limbaugh
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:37:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


>On August 11, a conservative libertarian called and asked Rush
>about why he found libertarianism so despicable? Rush replied
>that libertarians want to legalize drugs. The caller gave his
>justification for his position of legalizing drugs. Then the
>grand master put on a commercial and then returned to give his
>speal about how govt. needs to set standards and how if we
>legalized drugs we could cause the downfall of society.
>Naturally, the rest of the day he never let anyone call to
>reply to his arguments. Censorship? In debate, you allow
>both sides to give each other sides. Maybe, if he'd shut up
>he'd learn what an ass he's making of himself. I think
>we should criminalizing people making asses out of themselves.
>In the present situation, society is falling apart.
>
>-- Ed

It's amazing, the two greatest problem drugs in this country are legal,
alcohol and tobacco.  They're glorified in all sorts of media,
bragged about laughingly by people in 'responsible' positions; "..oh sure,
but who doesn't now and then eh?  Heh-Heh!".  Yet motor mouth contends,
without allowing legitimate counter arguements, that if we legalize drugs
we'll "...cause moral standards in this country to drop.".   Yes, Ed is
right on here.  Society is falling apart; the emporor isn't wearing any
clothes!

Marty L. Dart
My opinions are mine and mine alone.
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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Clinton and Education
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:03:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

Rush Limbaugh has several times made vicious remarks about the intelligence
of Arkansans as an attack on Clinton's educational record.

Well, I propose this question: Bush's Sec. of Education, Lamar Alexander,
is from a state with similar educational standings: Tennessee. Generally,
both rank in the bottom five in state-by-state rankings. If that
is so horrible, then how come Rush isn't calling for Lamar Alexander
to be fired / resign?

Bill Clinton is not responsible for the shoody state of his school's 
educational system. What is to blame is that, throughout the Southeast,
the states have traditionally neglected education. Both Clinton
and Alexander worked to improve their state's education systems.

Now, if Arkansas had fallen in the rankings during Clinton's tenure,
I'd accept Rush's arguments. But, his attacks on Clinton as far
as education is concerned are a load of bull.

Oh, as a former Tennesseean, I have a lot of respect for Uncle Lamar
(some friends of mine and I called him that when he was chancellor
of the University of Tennessee). He, like Clinton, did wonders
for the state of education in the south.
-- 
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with an incredible number of bits.
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: 13 14
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:44:28 GMT

ukec@terapin.com (Luke Chastain) writes:
>I missed Rush's show the 13-14 did I miss anything?

    Is this one of those trick questions like "What color was George 
Washington's white horse?"

    I heard part of the show on both those days and didn't hear anything 
earth-shattering. Rush played his new Slick Willy update theme a couple 
times and there was one fairly interesting call concerning diets, eating 
red meat, and Rush's personal weight loss scheme (he's working on cutting 
down his intake of fats, and I think he said that he was eating something 
like 1200 calories a day).

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Will Raise YOUR Taxes - NOT!
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:24:31 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <aaiken.713712371@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew C. Aiken) writes:
> In <1992Aug12.164449.27090@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
>
> >In article 27597@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
> >>If the only way to eliminate the debt is to raise taxes,  then we need to
> >>do it.   We can't afford to keep pouring tax dollars down the "debt interest
> >>rathole".
>
> >There's one other way to fix the deficit....INFLATION
>
>
> 	Why, liberals presume that inflation is the "solution" to
> everything.  After all, what prosperous country would not choose to
> follow the gleaming example of Brazil?
>

Inflation is a flat tax - and is is regressive.  It hurts the poor much more
than it hurts the rich.

>
> Andrew Aiken

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From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: George & Jennifer
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:37:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus

In article <19AUG199202041611@jetson.uh.edu>, wmporter@jetson.uh.edu (William M. Porter) writes:

|> Super-User (why no real name?),

	That was me. I forgot to drop out of root before I posted.

|> >	Am I to understand that you think that Bush is an unreliable president
|> >because he was screwing Jeniffer Fitzgerald?

|> I would like to point out however that the story that Bush was "screwing"
|> Jeniffer Fitzgerald, as you put it so genteelly, has no basis.

	[Hmm. hold that thought ...]

|> This sort of garbage is not pretty regardless of which side is throwing it. I
|> trust that President Bush will not make an issue of Gov. Clinton's infidelity,
|> and I hope the press can find better things to amuse itself with, as well.

	Rumors of George & Jennifer (or is it Gennifer?) were being passed
around by republicans in 1988, before Bush got the nomination. The rumor
has enough supporters that it's persisted for quite a few years, and several
people have talked about it off the record. Thats not as good as having a
stripper do interviews where whe claims to have been screwing Bill Clinton,
but it's enough to warrent some attention.

	None the less, it's either an issue or it isn't. President Bush,
through his campaign staff, has been quietly making an issue of it for
some time, and will presumably continue to do so. That being the case,
it seems fair for others to reply in kind. Not Clinton, mind you, but
maybe an assistant campaign manager could quote some republican talking
about it...

	It seems that some republicans want it both ways, they want to
condem Clinton as a philanderer, while calling Bushs personal life 
"off limits". 
-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

                                        Alex Crain
                                        UMBC Academic Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
From: maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark A. Jamison)
Subject: Question about Clinton and Taxes
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:55:54 GMT


When Clinton says he only plans to tax the rich, doe he mean individuals
or is he including Corporations in this statement as well.. Coming from
the party he's in I'd say both, but I'm willing to give him the benefit
of the doubt, at least at present..

If he does plan on raising taxes on corporations though, why does
he think that will help?? If Corporations are the giant evil that
democrats claim them to be, andd hey I'll be honest to some extant
they are right, they'll just cut their losses, which will result
in extremely high unemployment..
--
______________________________________________________________________________
                       Still looking for Luthien
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______________________________________________________________________________
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:51:11 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood


    Steve Tyree writes:
>> Never sell your soul to Big Government !

In article <1992Aug18.204326.2260@dbsun.uucp> hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:

>And especially to Big Goverment that has the audacity to support
>individual rights, even if the majority should disagree.

 Like the rights of the unborn child.

 Look I was hoping to avoid debating abortion. This issue has been taking up
a lot of net badwidth. When I saw the issue of government determining when
life starts I thought I would enter the debate. I would prefer to debate
the issue of Big Government determining when life starts without getting
into the choice or abortion issue. Is that possible ?

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.