HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Lack of Vulcans a current issue?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:02:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc

In article <C1848M.8EB@athena.cs.uga.edu> tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
>
>Folks,
>
>Lately I have received several notes like this:
>
>>This thread does NOT belong on rec.arts.startrek.current!!!
>>Please move it to rec.arts.startrek.misc
>
>>r.a.s.current is *only* for discussion of ST movies, books,
>>and TV episodes which have appeared for the first time in the
>>last four months.
>
>Since when is the lack of vulcans on TNG and DS-9 not a topic for discussion
>in current startrek interest?  Vulcans happen to be a very important part of
>startrek for many people.  Without them, we feel a bit lonely.

Lack of Vulcans in Star Trek is a topic for .misc. It doesn't have bearing
on any specific recent episode, it's simply about the state of ST in general.
If you were to post a message about how the Vulcan was portrayed as a real
dork in the episode of DSN that aired last weekend, (not a spoiler, just an
example) then that would go on .current. 

Followups set to r.a.s.misc.


-- 
"Dr. McCoy, would you do me the very great honor of eating my shorts?" -Spock
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: GIF's Was: Rating of women on ST/ST:TNG/ DS9
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:42:48 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

	Get a grip man :-) Here's my list:

Dax...................10.0  Shwing!
Kira..................8.0
Ensign Ro.............8.0
Tasha Yar (Naked).....7.0 <-- I have .gifs :-)
Liea Brahms...........7.0
Bev Crusher...........6.5
Tasha Yar (Clothed)...6.0
Harry Mudd's Wife.....2.0
Troi (Clothed)........1.0
Horta.................0.5
Riker.................0.1
Troi (Naked)..........0   <-- *shutter* I have .gifs :-(

+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
+ Name : Garth Sweet        + "A blind's as good as wink to a nudge man.   +
+ email: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca +                        - Ponty Mython        +
+ phone: 902-865-8987       + (I'm Serfectly Pober)                        +
+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+

This is your quest, Garth.  Before seeking any shrubberies, or cutting
down any trees with fish you must...post the Tasha Yar GIFs to
CompuServe.  Oh, please! (spoken in a Python-esque entreaty)  I don't
have FTP access.  We must have it.  We must have dirty picture-ses,
golum, golum.

Scott (Troi GIFs too!  Okay, so I'm a masochist) VanArtsdalen

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu (Paul A. Scowen)
Subject: Re: Holodeck matter (spoiler)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:23:53 GMT

In article <C1I0qv.7JG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
|> Something just popped into my head whilst watching "Ship in a Bottle"
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Okay, here it is:
|> 
|> The book shouldn't have disappeared.
|> 
|> The holodeck uses rudimentary transporter technology to create simply
|> things such as trees, water (member, Wesley drips after falling into
|> the stream in the pilot), paper (Moriarty's drawing in "Elementary,
|> Dear Data"), etc.
|> 
|> The only matter that *can't* leave the holodeck are the people.  So
|> the book, a replicated book, should have landed with a thud in the
|> corridoor, not disappeared in a sparkle of light.
|> 
|> What do you all think?


I agree.  Actually I seem to remember an older Dixon Hill episode where a
computer malfunction caused the villains in the holodeck to take over, and
actually wounded Bev.  At the conclusion of this, the villains attempted to
leave through the Exit, and made it out onto the corridor but before getting
more than 3 feet away their coherence was lost and they "evaporated".

That is what should have happened this time.  Well spotted!

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul A. Scowen				INTERNET: scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu
Department of Physics & Astronomy		  uk1@spacsun.rice.edu
Arizona State University		Tel:      (602) 965-0938
Tempe, AZ 85287-1504			FAX:      (602) 965-7954
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9: Episode stardates?
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:01:34 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Am I just missing them, or are they not mentioning the stardate
anywhere in the episode?

--PC


--
Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the
things your eyes have seen or let them slip from your heart as long as you
live.  Teach them to your children and to their children after them.
Remember the day you stood before the Lord your God...       --Deut 4:9-10a
From: tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker 817)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:16:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: smsc.C1Fq39.JCn
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp.


> This is a fallciuos argument, although it is one espoused by Spock in
> a TOS episode. There is a multitude of waterborne life that look
> nothing like an archetypical fish. The reason why whales and dolphins
> look like fish is from evolution (they all share a common ancestory)
> rather than adapting to their environment in a similar way.

Arggg!  Whales/dolphins are not related to fish (no common ancestory)!
Dolphins & Whales are mammals that have streamlined bodies for moving in
the water, but their internals are still MAMMAL (NOT FISH)!

"The original dolphins and whales were mammals that lived on the coast and
ate in the shallow coastal waters.  As they spent more and more time in
the water, they eventually evolved the streamlined bodies we see today."
    ---- Quoted from the Zoologist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium, CA

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WORST EPISODE
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:44:25 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
 
	'bout a year ago, somebody posted a positively halarious
 
 	(Even more halarious were the rec.arts.startrek.fools that
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
From: SCJ101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: music terms in ds9?
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:34:32 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


       Call me a music geek, but I have noticed a trend of the DS9 writers
using terms from music in the first few episodes... such as:
--> Dax is a trill-A trill is a melodic ornament or embellishment which
                     switching back and forth between notes at high speed.

--> In the most recent episode "Babel" there was a reference to a planet named
    "Legato 5" - Legato means to play smoothly.

       what could be next? They'll introduce a race of Rallentandos from the
       planet Vivace?
                                            steve.
*
{<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>}
{       Stephen C. Junker        \  "We're goin' boom, boom, boom,   }
{        SCJ101 at PSUVM          \    and that's the way we live."  }
{   Penn State School of Music     \         -"Life During Wartime"  }
{ President - Theta Xi Fraternity   \          -Talking Heads        }
{<><><><><><><><><><><>><><><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>}
From: atkin@freya.cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Norm Peterson of DSN
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:23:17 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <21JAN93.15195552@skyfox>, borys@skyfox writes:
|> In the three episodes to date, almost every bar scene includes this one
|> tall alien with brown skin and a neck that reminds me of Beaker from the
|> Muppet Show.  If this guy doesn't ship out soon, the writers are going to
|> have
|> to make up lines for him:
|> 
|> Quark: "Hey Grog, how does a beer sound?"
|> Grog: "I dunno; I usually drink it before it gets a word in."
|> 
|>   Colin Borys                |  Famous last words:

Cool somebody else noticed this.
My girl-friend and I always shout "Norm!" when we see him...


   Marc Atkin            //  "What is the nature of the universe?"   "The
U of Massachusetts      //    universe is a spheroid region 705m in diameter."
   at Amherst       \\ //                  - Dr. Beverly Crusher and the 
atkin@cs.umass.edu   \X/                     Ship's Computer, in "Remember Me"
From: ericg@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (eric leander gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: A very unconfirmed rumor...so be warned
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:02:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan25.220252.4538
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

I heard this from someone who heard it on the radio here.

The information basically was the DS9 was going to be cancelled.

I cannot verify in any way the validity of this rumor, so no flames please.
From: jfrench@cs.utexas.edu (Jason French)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:55:16 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: brazos.cs.utexas.edu

In article <18130@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>A great Patrick Stewart moment: I think the episode was "Night Terrors" --
>one of the one where everyone was hallucinating.  Picard thinks the turbolift
>walls and ceiling are closing in on him.  The turbolift door slides open on
>the bridge, revealing the Captain sprawled on the floor babbling in terror.
>
>Everyone just looks at him.
>
>He looks around.  Slowly stands up.  And, with a little tug on his uniform,
>says "As you were."

I thought one of the funniest Captain Picard moments was in the episode
"Hollow Persuits" with Lt. Barclay.  They are all standing back at one of
the science stations when Picard states after Barclay's report, "Well, I
look forward to your report, Mr. Broccoli."  The expression on Riker, LaForge,
and Picard's faces is priceless.  And then Data tries to explain how
metethesis (sp?) is one of the most common mispronunciation errors.
Great sceen.

+-------------------------------Jason French-------------------------------+
!                                                                          !
! "We must strive to be more that we are...It does not matter that we will !
!  never reach our ultimate goal.  The effort yeilds its own rewards."     !
!                                                                          !
!                                        --  Lt. Commander Data            !
!                                            Star Trek: The Next Generation!
!                                           "The Offspring"                !
!                                                                          !
+----------------------------jfrench@cs.utexas.edu-------------------------+

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: phaedrus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John)
Subject: Re: A Ship in a Bottle
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:08:12 GMT

In article <1k5uvcINNo2k@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu> tilden@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu (Tilden-Master of Illogic) writes:
>
>sort of MIRRORED EXACTLY what we said about a season and a half ago when
>Moriarity was first created?  Things that make you go HMMMM.
>
A season-and-a-half ago?  It was four years ago in the second season.
Dr. Pulaski was there.

-- 

___________________________________________________________
John E. "Stone" Stonecipher    |  Whovian-Quantum Leaper
phaedrus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  |  Trekker-Red Dwarfer
From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ronald Beck)
Subject: Re: Odo is NOT hollow! (Was: Re: Odo: conservation of mass)
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:39:03 GMT

How do we know for sure that Odo is not hollow?  His comment that he
has to regenerate every 18 hours and that he was "in a bucket at the
time" leads me to believe that his *actual* resting surface area is a
great deal less than his humanoid form.

As for changing into a mouse... well, when all other explanations fail
I fall to the only plausable one...

			It's in the script!           8-).

Just my $0.02 worth!
Ron
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ronald J. Beck           | IP rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com |Do now what others
Member, Group Tech Staff | MaBell (214) 952-4566       |won't so you can do
Texas Instruments        |                             |later what others
McKinney, Texas          |                             |can't
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Subject: Lack of Vulcans a current issue?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:41:07 GMT


Folks,

Lately I have received several notes like this:

>This thread does NOT belong on rec.arts.startrek.current!!!
>Please move it to rec.arts.startrek.misc

>r.a.s.current is *only* for discussion of ST movies, books,
>and TV episodes which have appeared for the first time in the
>last four months.

Since when is the lack of vulcans on TNG and DS-9 not a topic for discussion
in current startrek interest?  Vulcans happen to be a very important part of
startrek for many people.  Without them, we feel a bit lonely.
From: cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Galley?
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:26:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


    My god....... do you think we could end the talk about Kira and Dax's
   butt and other parts.  I mean I don't mind looking at them as much as
   the next guy but we could save ourselves about 100 posts a day if that
   conversation alone was dropped.(Send flames if you must.)
---------------------------------------------------------------

      Now on to something else.  Was watching StarTrekVI on HBO and noticed
   many scenes in and about the Enterprise's Galley.  For example when Kim
  Catrall(sp?) fired the phaser at the pot of ????? and vaporised it.

    ???? Since when do we have a Galley?  I though we got our food from the
  replicators.  Even in STOS they used to get their food from the replicators,
 even though it looked like little green and red colored balls.

  Have they decided to go back to preparing large meals for everyone?

 
--
|-Clinton Bittel------------|-"My name is Inigo Montoya,--------------------| 
| University Medical Center |   you killed my father, prepare to die."      |
| Tucson, AZ                |               -The Princess Bride             |
|---------------------------|-----------------------------------------------|
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:18:52 EST
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1jll81INNlo2@shelley.u.washington.edu> rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
> 
> 	As long as we're on the topic of Best/Worst Episodes
>(again...), I'll try to introduce something original....That is, "Most
>Overrated Episode".  What do you think? 

 The PROBLEM is that  they took the most menacing
>and relentless enemy ever faced by the federation, gave it Big Eyes, a
>pleasing face and a stuffed animal voice, and turned the menacing borg
>into something CUTE....feh.   An inexcusable waste of a perfectly good
>enemy. Die Hugh, die.

First, there is no guarantee that Hugh will do anything to affect the
Borg as a whole.  His condition at the time was unique and may never
be duplicated, and the Borg may continue as before.  We'll see.
Secondly, the story about the all-powerful, menacing entity had
already been told -- in BOBW.  The antagonists have to be dynamic
or else everything gets repetitious.

Chris
From: cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Babel - DS9's overlooked solution
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:37:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Well, what about this?  The big problem was that the virus mutated
into an airborne variety, eh?  Big deal.  This is the 24th century!
I can't believe they don't have breathing masks that can filter out
the virus!  The masks from "The Cloud Minders" or something similar
would have done the trick, wouldn't it?

Ah, don't tell me-- the virus mutated into an airborne variety, and
then found another way into the body besides the respiratory system.
Maybe it burrows in through your skin.  :-|

Tony
-- 
Tony Minkoff                            aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu                cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu
"This quote is in this .sig for no particular reason."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: naizer@rei.com (jonathan naizer)
Subject: How do Trills reproduce?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:15:03 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

Does anyone have an idea how Trills reproduce? Is it host to host? Also
how did Trills involve? If it takes a surgical procedure to transplant the slug,how did they move from host to host before there was medicine?


Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <C1Jo4I.ACA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
|> Look, shouldn't we decide on this?
|> Sure, the show calls it Deep Space Nine, not 9, but
|> isn't DS9 easier to remember?
|> 
|> Do we end up voting for the acronym?

what's the difference? If you care about what's official, then maybe
there's a difference.  But no matter if someone uses DSN or DS9, I know
what they mean, don't you?

thanks,
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"What must I do to convince you people?"		 "Die."
From: pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:08:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsc.pavlovic.27.727916897
Organization: Environmental Health Sciences Center, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: massspec2-0073-e.als.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan24.074334.4145@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:

>- Picard is a fluent French native and he speaks that language with his
>family and French friends 
>- Chekov is obviously a Russian native and Sulu a Japanese. Since there
>is only a generation of time difference I doubt that English has taken
>over that fast. Why shouldn't these languages not exist anymore a
>generation later?

And let's not forget that Uhura's native language was Swahili, as pointed 
out more than once on TOS.

JGP
From: william.johnson@um.cc.umich.edu (William Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "A Man Alone"
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:04:01 GMT
Organization: The Univerisity of Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tibia.engin.umich.edu


> 
> Got a question/thought - we know that Odo can morph rather quickly (the first
> time we see this in "Emissary" he's morphed to allow a weapon/fist to pass
> through his head.) so - what does Odo have to fear from a mob?  He can morph
> to evade physical violence or to escape through a grating or...  See?
> 
> hmoran@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil
 
I think that the problem in facing a mob, is that if he is at all like
Iman's character in STVI, then there would be a limit to the amount of 
times that he could split open his head.  He might tire out from repeated
morphings.

Just my $.02
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 20:25:29 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1j0b38INNc35@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
(Michael Y Ko) says:
>
>I though Dax was 337? Or something like that?
>
>As for the host body being too thin? Look at the size of Dax. He wasn't that
>big. I'm sure there's enough room in the abdominal cavity for it.
>
Sisko corrected Dax and emphasized "...You're 328 years old..."

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: episode name?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:43:12 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan26.051456.6451@midway.uchicago.edu> airn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>What's the name of the episode where Data gets kidnapped by an art collector
>and forced to put himself on display?
>
You'll get more reponses than you bargained for.. including mine.

"The Most Toys"

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  Brad Barton - brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org  |  "Light the lamp, not the rat!"  |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran)
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "A Man Alone"
Organization: NSWC White Oak
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:35:38 GMT

In article <rawdon.727919914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

   Spoilers for the DS9 episode "A Man Alone"...

   Certainly, "A Man Alone" had its problems.  For instance, the cloning 
   premise
   ran afoul of the usual problems that SF TV has with clones - why would they 
   be
   created fully-grown, and why would they have any memories or personality 
   when
   created?  (Ibudan's murdered clone didn't look like a gibbering idiot, after
   all.)

Why are they created full-grown - to advance the plot, of course!  Imagine
Ibudan having to wait 20-30 years for the clone to grow to the appropriate 
age before getting on with his revenge ;>

As for the memories/personality/gibbering idiot - we only saw the clone in
the holoroom for a moment or so and all that was seen was a presumptive male
adult experiencing the pleasure of a massage; no memories or personality was
needed here, only the basic pleasure/pain response set we (and Bajorans) are
born with.  Essentially, we might be seeing Ibudan kill...a child!

   [Odo] because when
   the mob was after him, he didn't fight:  He ran to his quarters.  Clearly 
   he's
   not as powerful - in some sense - as we might have thought.  Odo continues 
   to
   be the most intriguing character among the cast.

Got a question/thought - we know that Odo can morph rather quickly (the first
time we see this in "Emissary" he's morphed to allow a weapon/fist to pass
through his head.) so - what does Odo have to fear from a mob?  He can morph
to evade physical violence or to escape through a grating or...  See?

hmoran@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current