HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alceste@moliere.ihitsy.ihi.co.jp (Shiino Masayoshi)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:00:43 GMT
Organization: Shipbuilding & Offshore, IHI

In article <TSS.92Jul27191653@kikori89.uf.a.u-tokyo.ac.jp> tss@a.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
>  $@F1$8$/!#309q?M$,@83h$9$k>e$G$NLdBj$J$i(J fj.living $@$G$bNI$+$C$?$O$:$J(J
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From: nakamura@cradle.titech.ac.jp (Kazushi NAKAMURA)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: [Proposal] fj.{unix,os}.386bsd
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:24:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Center for Research And DeveLopment of Educational Tech., Tokyo Inst. of Tech., Tokyo, JAPAN

From article <2714@tansei1.tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp>, by hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
(KANNO Hideo):
| 386BSD $@$K$D$$$F$N%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$r?7@_$9$kDs0F$G$9!#(J
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|   fj.{unix,os}.386bsd     Discussion on 386BSD.
|                         386BSD$@$K$D$$$F$N5DO@(J
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From: alceste@moliere.ihitsy.ihi.co.jp (Shiino Masayoshi)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: [ CFA ] fj.sci.medical
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:18:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Shipbuilding & Offshore, IHI

In article <BrLA3t.IAq@osaka-med.ac.jp> opt004@art.osaka-med.ac.jp (tokuoka) writes:
>$@$=$3$G0e3X$N(JNG$@$H$7$F$N(Jfj.sci.medical$@:n@.$N$?$a$N(JCFA$@$rDs0F$$$?$7$^$9!#(J

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From: hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: CFA Succeeded fj.rec.travel.{japan,world,air}
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:51:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

In article <TANAKA.92Jul21132259@sarah.ling.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> tanaka@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (TANAKA Hiroshi) writes:
>$B$b$&$I$C$A$G$b$$$$$d!"!"$NEDCf!w$U8&$G$9!#(J

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> >>fj.rec.travel       6
> >>fj.rec.travel.misc  6
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            _      .---    KANNO HIDEO     kanno@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp 
  _________/ |__--'@/      Dept. of Biophysics & Biochemistry, Univ. of Tokyo
 (__PAN AM/__|__===-~      3-1, Hongo 7-chome, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113, JAPAN 
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From: logic@mtak.bsj.com (Masami Takikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: [ CFA ] fj.sci.medical
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:17:07 GMT
	<2681@tansei1.tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
Reply-To: logic@mtak.bsj.com (Masami Takikawa)
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Takikawa, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.04 March 31, 1990

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In article <2681@tansei1.tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
	hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo) writes:
>In article <1473@ihitgw.ihitsy.ihi.co.jp>
  alceste@moliere.ihitsy.ihi.co.jp (Shiino Masayoshi) writes:
>>$BM}M3$O!"EvLL(J fj.sci.misc$B$G==J,$G$"$m$&$H$$$&;v$G$9!#(J
>
>$BJ?$?$/8@$&$H!"$d$O$j!V<B@S<g5A!W(J:-($B$G$7$g$&$+!#(J
>fj.sci.* $B$K2?$+:n$m$&$H$9$k$?$S$K7+$jJV$7$K$J$j$^$9$1$I!"(J
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From: saitoh@icsts1.osaka-u.ac.jp (SAITOH Akinori)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: CFD: fj.comp.announce
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:38:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: tokura-lab., Osaka Univ., Japan

In article <KANEKO.92Jul20184157@axiom.icsi.Berkeley>, kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Seiji Kaneko) writes:
> $B$+$M$3!w$R$?$A$G$9!#(J
> $B?7#N#G!"(Jfj.comp.announce $B$rDs0FCW$7$^$9!#(J
> $B$^$?!"#f#j$N9XFI<TAX$b9-$,$j!"7W;;5!4X78<T8~$1$N$*CN$i$;$r(J fj.general 
> $B$d(J fj.announce $B$KN.$9$3$H$,!"I,$:$7$bE,@Z$H$O46$8$i$l$J$/$J$C$F$-$F$$(J
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From: tomo@axis.co.jp (Tomoyuki Sakakibara)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: [Objection] [CFD/CFA] mvgrp fj.lang => fj.comp.lang
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:15:50 GMT
	<9047@icsts1.osaka-u.ac.jp>
Organization: AXIS Corporation, Nagoya, Japan
In-reply-to: saitoh@icsts1.osaka-u.ac.jp's message of 23 Jul 92 17:25:02 GMT

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                         Tomoyuki Sakakibara,        AXIS Corporation
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.050112.17962@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> 
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Newsgroups: fj.news.group
From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan] [Japanese+English]
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:36:32 GMT

In article <7pn.bprvs@lab.ntt.jp> $@KL@n$5$s(J:
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: RESULT: the 4th inquiry on gaikokujin group [English+Japanese]
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:32:28 GMT
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, ...
$B5WLn$G$9!"(J

 With respect to the RESULT of the 4th inquirely,
 $BBh(J4$B2s%"%s%1!<%H$N7k2L$G$9$,!"(J

     1. I recoginzed that some people has failed to send me
        his choice, so I'd better wait for a week or so.
        After that I shall post revised result again.
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        $B0LBT$C$F:FEY=87W$rH/I=$7$^$9!#(J

     2. I withdraw my suggestion of choosing the one with
        least "NO".  I'm willing to hear everyone's opinion
        about how to make use of the result.
        NO$B$,0lHV>/$J$$$N$rA*$s$@$i!"$H$$$&Ds0F$r0z$C9~$a$^$9!#(J
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If we cannot agree on which one to choose, we'd better do
yet another inquiry after all.  Let's be patient.  I hate
quick and dirty.
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						    Yasushi Kuno
							    $B5WLn(J
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan] [Japanese+English]
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:53:46 GMT
	<1992Jul26.023048.14628@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<1992Jul26.030126.14810@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<1359@cbsws1.cbs.canon.co.jp>
	<1992Jul28.062746.8095@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


Kuno> ------ Summary in English -------

Kuno> In summary, I understood that possiblity of the following method
Kuno> can be considered:

Kuno>   1) Use fj.misc as a "place for gaikokujin-posts" forever, or
Kuno>      for some time.

I don't think it would be a good solution. There will be very great
opposition and this will not create incentives for a "foreigner"
community inside JP. I propose to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that "foreigners" will
be using fj.misc until they RECEIVE a more suitable newsgroup.


Kuno>   2) If each of topics there has other "appropriate" fj groups,
Kuno>      then also crosspost to that group.

I don't understand why this condition has to be a MUST. I think this
must be decided by who is posting the article... And even there are
same topics in another newsgroups, for us foreigners, our viewpoint
as a minority would be much more important than the topic "per si".
This kind of crosspost is not very common in soc.culture.*, and I
don't see any need to make a MUST for it. "Cultural Sensibility"
for minorities would be a good policy in FJ, too. Is not NOW a
good time to learn about it?? 

Kuno>   3) Finally, already existing fj groups might be sufficient to
Kuno>      ALL of the topics, so new group might not be needed after all.
Kuno>      Or it might not be so after all, then we proceed to
Kuno>      creating a new group.


This solution would be to ignore any and completely any difference
between japanese values and values from some minority group...
(This doesn't sound familiar?? :-) )


Disclaimer: "I'm not God, I'm not Budha, I didn't get enlighment
             yet, I don't know what is true and I don't know what
             is false, but I want a place for lost children like
             me... Please no flames, no sophisms. Don't try impose
             your values on me. Thank you, I have my ones..."

--
Claude Huss
Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.
Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN
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From: logic@mtak.bsj.com (Masami Takikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 20 Jul 92 08:38:47 GMT
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Reply-To: logic@mtak.bsj.com (Masami Takikawa)
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Takikawa, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.04 March 31, 1990

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In article <JIRO.92Jul21122150@amber.math.keio.ac.jp>
	jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro) writes:
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Newsgroups: fj.news.group
From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:17:43 GMT

In article <2174@aegis.or.jp> Dave McLane $@$5$s(J:
>Perhaps the topics being discussed could be posted to other groups
>if those in the other groups wouldn't mind discussing things in
>English as well as Japanese. But from what people have said in
>fj.news.group this is not the case. Some don't want to have fj.XXX
>become multi-lingual. 

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From: tanaka@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (TANAKA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: CFA Succeeded fj.rec.travel.{japan,world,air}
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:22:59 GMT
	<1992Jul20.151208.3399@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp>
Distribution: fj
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: kono@csl.sony.co.jp's message of 21 Jul 92 00:12:08 JST
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13 (sarah)

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In article <1992Jul20.151208.3399@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp>
	kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono) writes:

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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: RESULT: the 4th inquiry on gaikokujin group [English+Japanese]
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:14:30 GMT
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, I might have done some mistakes here...

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> Ooops, I don't see my name ... wonder what happened to it?

    Well, I looked over through my mail records, but didn't
find your message.  Would you please re-send yours?  I think
I'd better accept more mail from others for a week or so.
You who haven't sent me your choice, why not send one now?

> I would have thought the time to decide on how to score the vote was
> *before* it was taken :-) 

    Yes, you are right.  But this is only an inquiry, and
we are going to discuss about how to make use of the result
now.  I think I'd better withdraw my "suggestion" and
hear other people's opinion.  I admit it is difficult to decide
which one to choose from the above result.

> If its the one with the least NO's then a) and fj.life.foreigner
> wins (by 1 pt.). But if that was the deciding factor, why is there
> any accumulated points? And/or why were people asked to vote YES or
> NO?  If the deciding factor is the accum. pts. then it's clear that
> b) and fj.life.in-japan wins (2.25 accum. pts.). 

    Only that these detailed data will help the discussion.

> But it seems clear that you can't have both....
> Whatever you decide is OK with me,

    No, no.  Please say your opinion.  I am willing to hear.
How about the others?

						    Yasushi Kuno
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
	<NAO.92Jul27130212@mimo.jaist-east.ac.jp>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:47:06 GMT

Naoki> Claude Huss $@$5$s(J:
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Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
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