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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: American Family Association *LOSES*! Bush signs PBS,NPR Bill
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:19:03 -0500
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Thanks to all those who responded to yesterday's ACTION ALERT. 

President Bush signed the funding Bill for the Corporation for Public 
Broadcasting yesterday. It is a sweet victory because the bill authorises the
budget for the CPB from FY 1993 through 1996 so that should reduce the effect
of conservative politician attempting to censor freedom of expression.

However, the Bill does include a probably unconstitutional rider added by
President Pro Tem of the Senate,Robert  Byrd of Virginia. This says that the 
money will not be used to air ``indecent'' material before midnight. Basically
Byrd tried to change the safe harbour hours of the FCC. The Supreme Court has
ruled similar attempt by Jesse Helms to change the safe harbour hours of the 
FCC as unconstitutional and hopefully this attempt wil be struck down as well.

But the most delicious news, is that despite a major mobilisation by the odious
American Family Association, incluing a mailing to 500 000 of it's members 
and full page ads in Washington Newspapers, the Looney Fringe of the Religious
Right *LOST*! The White House Comment Line [202 456 1111] actually reported 
that more calls FOR Public Broadcasting were tabulated.

Thank  you all.
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C., April 25 1993''
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"We are gay, we are black. We are often asked to choose between one or the 
other and we cannot. We need to find the strength to be both."-Pomo Afro Homos
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Sim is OK!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:26:26 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>I'm very sorry, I failed to recognize the name Daivd as
>other than a typo for the extremely common name David.
>Indeed, I've encountered no other instance of the name in my
>travels.  Is the ai a single vowel (maybe a diphthong) or is
>there a syllable boundary between a and i?

It's a common error, so everyone gets excused unless they do it again.
It's just to catch the eye, since Daivd is in theatre, and casting
agents, producers and directors are more likely to remember unusual
names.  It is pronounced like David, just spelled differently.
He changed his name legally seven years ago.  New name:  Daivd Tarryn-Grae.

>Apologies to him as well, of course.

Thank you from him.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:23:56 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug28.082007.914@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
writes:
>Is there any good explanation for the multiple uses of the word
>"fuck"?

[delightful sexual examples omitted]

>But I don't understand using the word "fuck" to describe people.
>Phrases like "you stupid fuck" or "dumbfuck" as insults for people -
>what's going on? Is it just that the word "fuck" is inherently
>obscene and nasty, and so is useful even when it is ungrammitical?
>
>I won't even begin trying to understand "Fuck you!" as an insult.

Perhaps we can deconstruct this to be the verbal equivalent of rape.  One
implies the [I will] Fuck you [if you ...].  It is a power giving term to the
user and implies a less than manliness on the part of the usee who doesn't come
back swinging or with a similar retort.  It's use against women is less
powerful because of the inherent power of men over women in our traditional
patriarchal society.  Though it can still have shock value.  Used against a
female teacher or parent it has great power because of its incestual
antiauthoritarian message.

It is not the same as saying "Fuck yourself" though similar.  This is also
generally applied to a male and suggests a strange plumbing system.

More to the point of motss, I wonder why gay and bisexual men so often use the
term "you suck" to denigrate someone.  Sucking and fucking are such nice terms,
especially among we queers, but even we queers tend to use them in their rape
and power and control senses when we want to insult someone.  





>-- 
>                __
>nelson@reed.edu \/                   There is absolutely no other possibility
>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:13:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <87885@netnews.upenn.edu> sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.) writes:
>In article <lachcrINNr1m@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> 
>> I thought this was going to be about *Furr's* and their
>> yummy-scrumptious, diabetic-shock-inducing Millionaire Pie.
>> But no, it's about beards.
>
>So *tell me* about this pie already.  By the time I left KC, Furr -- er,
>*Furr's* hadn't spread above Arkansas, and all we have to eat here is that
>boring old nouvelle Italian (or was that nouvelle Afghan?) cuisine.
>
>And how does it look sticking to one's mustache?

It isn't how it looks that matters.  The fun is in licking it off the
moustache.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:20:43 GMT

In <1992Aug25.183815.36000@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>isn't it ironic that the nelly queens think the boobs are acting
>but that the boobs think the nelly queens are acting?

Isn't that human nature?  8-)

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:38:01 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug29.204717.2668@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> Since I am not married as of yet, willing suitors are
> perfectly welcome to try being charming.  I've been known to
> yield to various alluring types.

I know of one tall, willowy, movie-star handsome creature in 
West Hollywood with a passion for silent movies, Elisabeth
Schwarzkopf, and Italian food, whose middle names are Charm 
and Alluring, who might fit the bill.  I believe that all he'd 
require from you is a big, fat monthly check.  Should I hook 
you up?

Arne <batting eyelashes furiously>
From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is virginity?
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:03:34 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I like this.  A difference between physical and emotional
virginity...hmm, it has some intruiging possibilities.

First off, I stand corrected.  For bis at least, there ARE (at least)
two virginities to be lost.  (Enough at leasts...)

But I would consider myself no longer virgin when I first have sex
with a man.  Finished. Done.  No second time about it.

But I suppose that's just another one of the nice complexities that
go along with sexual diversity... :-)

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Tastes and prejudices (was: Re: Too straight looking)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:21:12 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


[a very good response to Alan Williams]

...

>Prejudice is forming a class judgment on the basis of
>instances.  You can dislike Joe, who did you dirt on some
>occasion, but it's prejudice for you to use Joe's incidental
>nelliness as the basis for being "not especially fond of
>'nelly' behavior." Even if there are 10 or 10,000 Joes, even
>if *every* nelly person you ever met was a Joe clone.

Good definition.  Also, it includes deciding a priori one's
response on the basis of a single or limited criterion.

...

>                                          Probably 90% of
>statements of the form "I don't like <x>" express
>prejudices, rather than tastes.  

Could you provide a similar definition for taste, Jess?

>And "I don't like <x>" isn't going to cut it in the
>overwhelming majority of cases.

I not so sure about "overwhelming majority",  except in reference
to people.

Rick
rickc@agora.rain.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.174337.11384@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 
> 	And I *must* say it is an interesting sensation to be topped by
> Nelson.....  :-)

~ .

[no, that's not right. dammit, what *is* the ASCII representation of
an expressively raised eyebrow?]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.191534.12954@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob "I'm not a misogynist, but I play one on
Usenet" Sarver) writes:

>What happens?   anderson gets his panties all twisted up.  

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:44:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


> 	"Those Democrats, a bunch of far-left radical liberals masquerading
> 	as moderates and centerists, were engaged in the most blatant example
> 	of [political] cross-dressing in history"
> 
> Buchanan smiled his horrifying Irish Catholic smile.  The audience roared
> with laughter.  I felt like I was going to throw up.

>   ______     John Cavallino

I know Buchanan is a rabid demagogue, but I confess to roaring with
laughter
over this one, too (confession #2:  my contempt for the Republican party is
exceeded - and exceeded handily - only by my contempt for the
Democrats...).
The excerpt is easily the best sound-bite in the history of politics. 


Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NYC MOTSS DINNER, 9/5 7PM SUNG HAI
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:19:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: (getting there)

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) presents a partial list of
visiting and local dignitaries who are (or may be) dining at Sung
Hai-- by the way it's Tenth Street and West Street, not 10th Ave.--
this Saturday at 7pm.  Wow, I'm impressed. 

I know that Marty doesn't mind that people think his name is
Chibnik, but I do hope that George will forgive you his i-e
reversal.  Or maybe it's his e-i reversal?

And I *love* being called Momma Bear (whether or not I deserve it).


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:24:27 GMT

Technical Sergeant Leonard Matlovich was discharged from
the Air Force in 1975, after coming out to his commanding
officer.  His photo later appeared on the cover of "Time"
magazine...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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From: Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fingernail Polish (was Re: The Silent Majority (was: oth
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:21:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

my favorite way of doing my nails has nothing to do with seasons, fashions, or
anything else - i like to do my index fingers red, and the rest black.

confuses hell out of people who attempt to ascribe mystic significance to what
was originally me picking up the wrong bottle after being distracted...

...laura

p.s. ok, what *is* it like for queer folks to work at microsoft?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: carolynb@hpcvcaq.cv.hp.com (Carolyn Bales)
Subject: Contribution Clarity
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:47:27 GMT

asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:

	nelson, i'd heard that under oregon state law, any contribution
	of or over $50 needed to come w/your occupation or the name and
	address of your employer?  is this true, and does it apply here?

	in any case, i'd hope motsseurs would be able to scrounge up
	a few $49.99 contributions...
 

For ballot measure 9 (state initiative to ammend the Oregon constitution)
any contribution(s) from one person totaling $100 must be recorded with name 
and occupation or with name, employer and address of employer.  This was
discussed last night at the "Human Rights Coalition Fund Raising Committee" 
meeting in Corvallis.

--Carolyn
 
Carolyn Bales
carolynb@cv.hp.com
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WalMart Bans AIDS Literature
Keywords: WalMart Kmart
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:01:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Sep4.181821.20017@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> ritchey@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (George Ritchey) writes:
Forwarded this message:

>From:        John_D._Curtis.ROCHX2@xerox.com Fri Sep  4 06:29:56 1992

>I have received a number of questions to explain the WalMart issue.

>WalMart stores have joined KMart stores in banning "Magic Johnson's Book about
>AIDS" from ALL of their stores.  They claim that the book contains graphic
>sexual information and the book might be seen by children.  They claim that it
>is not "book banning or book burning" - rather that the decision to ban the
>book is covered by store policies regarding sexually explicit magazines, etc.
>WalMart and KMart will not carry a book that teaches us how NOT to get AIDS,
>but walk a few aisles over to the Pharmacy, and you will find both stores
>gladly sell and profit from AIDS medications such as AZT, Acyclovir, etc.  Are
>these responsible business practices?  Are these companies that Xerox should be
>establishing partnerships with?

[rest of long message deleted] 

I looked through this book -- there are no offensive drawings by the 
way -- it is clearly aimed at teens who might not usually  buy books but 
might buy this one because its got a big picture of Magic Johnson on the 
cover.  That's why  its such a shame that WalMart and KMart won't carry it.  
I doubt that the people its aimed at are regular customers of Walden Books.
This might be a good time to repost the numbers if people feel like calling:
WalMart - 501-273-4198 (customer service desk) 
KMart - 212-687-8747 (Mary McGeachy, nat. dir. for media relations)
By the way, the official title is "What You Can Do to Avoid Getting Aids."

Emily
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.115234.27382@wixer.cactus.org> lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:

>do not    \       /   "If the opposite sex is *supposedly* so much fun,
>feed or    \     /     than why does everyone MASTURBATE?"

I have a problem with this quote.  I *love* the sentiment, but I think
it's pretty clear that an appreciation for the opposite sex does not
at all preclude same-sex attractions.  I would appreciate it if you
could rephrase it.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: jaw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graeme Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:49:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Distributed Unix Support, Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Sep1.175053.7351@osf.org>, coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep1.070241.6928@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

[stuff deleted]

|> > 
|> > I'm not so good at the "ize/ise" distinction. My immediate thought is
|> > to write "industrialize", although "industrialise" looks more proper
|> > to me. Are all words that in American are written "-ize" written in
|> > British "-ise"?
|> 
|> I believe so, but by saying so I will probably cause somebody to
|> remember a counter-example.

No, absolutely not! Most words ending in -ize in American are also spelt -ize
in British English. -ize is a suffix of verbs and -ise is *mostly* a suffix of
nouns in British.  The -ise verbs arise from words that come from French eg.
advertise, surprise. So the correct spelling is industrialize.

|> What about "defence"? "connexion"? (I don't think this last is current
|> even in Britain.)

Defence is the correct British spelling. I don't think words like connexion
have ever been "correct" in British spelling but I am prepared to be proved
wrong.

Graeme
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss,rec.folk-dancing
From: asente@adobe.com (Paul Asente)
Subject: Learn to Square Dance
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:55:17 GMT

	Try Lesbian and Gay Square Dancing with El Camino Reelers

Remember 5th grade?  Remember being forced to square dance with all those
yucky girls or all those yucky boys?  Well, it ain't like that any more!
Thousands of folks just like you belong to gay square dance clubs, and more
are joining every year.

El Camino Reelers will be starting our annual square dance classes this
September.  We dance in Palo Alto every Wednesday night from 7:30 to 9:30.
September 9 and 16 are introductory and free, so stop by and give it a try!
Classes are at St. Andrew's United Methodist Church, 4111 Alma, between
Charleston and San Antonio -- right next to the YWCA.

You don't need:			You do need:
	A partner			Comfortable shoes or boots
	Funny clothes			To be able to walk
	To be coordinated		To want to have fun

For more information, send me mail, or call Randy at (415) 961-7504.

(If you live in San Francisco and work down south, our schedule meshes well
with the late train to SF; send mail for more details.)

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

That evening in the library Scylla, one of the guests who had certain
anatomical peculiarities, demonstrated the "Lithuanian Typewriter," assisted
by Ronald and Robert, two remarkably well-set-up young men from the village.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:57:31 GMT


In article <1992Sep1.215759.21568@lclark.edu>
klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:

>This is really too milch.

Why Gretchen!  The best of these are obviously quipped
cream.  But leche that I am, I was wondering if all these
homogeinus dairy airs might find a mutually satisfying way to
get laited.  I think we're a latto.

If moosic be the food of love, plait on!


-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Subject: Re: Quotes
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:04:35 GMT

Oh well, by the time my last got posted, Nelson had already confessed. 

Sorry, Laurie Anderson may be a bit obscure, but she is really interesting. :)

Scott

-- 
Scott Moir / Pentangle / Satyr ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
pentangl@Ursa-Major.spdcc.com  \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+) s+ m r p+     \/\/  # "What's that?"
These are my opinions, not SPDCC's    # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.003526.19144@microsoft.com>,
georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes, wrily:
> 
> Or Wreilly...

Oh, rielly?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Audience for Sargon Follies
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: the anxiety of influence
Organization: recovering role models
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:06:47 GMT

nelson and jess and several others have made the point, which i took
some time to get, that there could be considerable value in this
discussion set off by the frothings of the notorious nelliphobe,
because posters are speaking to attitudes and anxieties that a fair
number of readers of this group are likely to have.

i am alarmed, however, to be pointed out as a role model.  i mean,
there's a lot of really weird stuff in me, not all of which i've
posted about here (incredible as that might seem to some of you), and
i've done my share of things i'm deeply ashamed of, only a few of
which i've posted about here (though i've tried to be reasonably
honest).  i don't want anyone hearing the message BE LIKE ME behind my
words.  i also have great trouble coping with the unreasonable
expectations that often accompany treating someone as a role model; i
can't necessarily be what other people need me to be (when i find
myself trying to do this, i feel desperate and inadequate, and
eventually hurt and angry).

i'm happy being thought of as a role model if the message is HERE'S A
WAY TO BE, with the understanding that you can adopt or adapt bits of
the package to suit your own ends, or just use my ideas as a spur to
examining and questioning your own ideas.  in which case, there are
*plenty* of role models to be found here, of wildly different styles
(and, i should add, of both sexes and many ages - i myself have
learned a good bit from people in their twenties - and all
orientational flavors).

arnold