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From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:32:28 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <1992Nov16.072721.20426@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> Is that all you can produce to this network, I am writing quite historical
> facts and I am getting peronal insultants where people even who do not know
> me pretend knowing me, quite interesting shamanism. No one cannot write
> anything about the history of the Finns in Northern Sweden and about the
> legislation over there. When I wrote about it I just got personal insults.
> Is this level where we are?

I've read several constructive and intelligent replies to your accusations
of Swedes being racists.  However, you don't seem to have read them, let
alone understood them.  

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Finns of Sweden
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:55:28 GMT

Kent Sandvik writes:

>I actually agree (grew up in this region), Swedish dance bands rule
>(sigh, Vikingarna, my favourite hate object). And if you would ask
>some of the people if they would rather belong to Sweden than Finland,
>they would agree.
>
>However it does *not* reflect the majority of the Swedish speaking
>part of Finland. Most of us realize that we are part of the Finnish
>culture, and we belong to Finland, not Sweden.

In the south the Swedish-speakers are sensitive about their language,
but they are not so much "pro-Swedish" as in \sterbotten. Swedish-speakers
in the south also mix Finnish words in their speech, so that their dialect
can be almost unintelligible for a Swede.

Janne Kivela"

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: osstlm@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Lundstrom)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Reply-To: osstlm@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:50:47 GMT

In article 222@polisci.umn.edu, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
> >osstlm@eua.ericsson.se writes:

I did not write this, f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
did. Please get the references right. This is an innocent
case, but there are other people on this net I wouldn't
like to get mixed up with !!

/Tomas

> 
> >Channel Islands are part of UK, 
> 
> Are you sure?  They have a very special status, as I recall, something like 
> being vassal lands under the English crown.
>
From: K.R.Hauge@easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian student in the US
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:17:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: U. of Oslo

In article <1992Nov15.093140.4826@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
boman@sccm.stanford.edu (Erik Boman) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
> For example, I will be allowed to take a car home free of toll and taxes
> if I can show that I have been living in the U.S. for at least 5 (or is
> it 4?) years.

You can take one car back to Norway free of taxes if you have been resident
abroad for at least 5 years. And when they say 5 years, they mean 5 years,
and not for example 4 years and 364 days. The car must have been registered
in your name abroad for a certain period, 6 months I think, prior to the
import date. After 3 years, you may import a car with reduced taxes. Full
information is available from Toll- og avgiftsdirektoratet, Oslo-Dep.

[stuff deleted]

> countries. I would guess that my tax status does not depend upon
> my residence address in the "folkeregister" of Norway, but I am not certain.

I think your guess is wrong. By the way, there is a little-know clause in
Norwegian taxation laws that stipulates that if you pay interest on a
mortgage in Norway (on an apartment or a house) during a period when you
have no taxable income in Norway, you may claim a deduction for the
interest when you return to Norway and get a taxable income there.

Kjetil Raa Hauge, U. of Oslo, Norway
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jec@watson.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Subject: Denmark
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:19:25 GMT
Reply-To: jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


There seems to be no traffic on this group... Anybody knows about a
soc.culture.danish ?

J. Cherbonnier
jec@zurich.ibm.com
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: M.A. Numminen (was: Assimilation of the Finns in Northern-Sweden)
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: polisci.hberg.213
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

In article <1992Nov11.132146.16058@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:

>live at Turku University. From the recording location and the sound I
>seriously suspect that our M.A. was at the time backed by no other combo
>than the infamous Axelbandet. True/false?

Does Axelbandet still exist?  How about K}rsdraget?

(I'm getting homesick...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle)
Subject: Alaska!??
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:11:57 GMT
Keywords: Lots abt Sweden/Norway etc

Hallo you Nordics from Scandanavia!
Where is the talk abaouit the "Nordics" on the other side of the Pole
or around the bottom on the other side of the big lake! - In Alaska!
I cant find any group spe4cifically about that part of Nordic life!??
Is ther one or a related Group!
2 nice Alaskans here I am trying to make happy with "home News" while they 
sit in Berlin watching MTV etc etc!


-- 
******************************************************************************
* Ron J. Bartle,                                                             *
* Onckenstr. 19.,       (Incoming Tourist Services-Bln.)                     *
* D-W-1000 Berlin 44.   - snuffy@netmbx.de  or snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de   *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:17:27 GMT

Jarmo Ryyti (ryyti@jyu.fi) wrote:
: Well there are no death camps in Amazonas either. In the old records one 
: can find systematical opression towards the Finns of Warmland, they
: burned valuable forests (kasekaminen)
:  so they were punished, finnish people because

It's interesting that you compare the Finns in W{rmland with the Indians in
Amazonas, but I thought that their problem is that people are burning down
the forests the same way the Finns did.

--
Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 5, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Keskustelua suomalaisten asemasta Ruotsissa 
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:39:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.084221.25198@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Mielenkiintoista on todeta, kun kopioin arvostetun ruotsalaisen tiedemiehen
>kirjoittaman artikkelin Ruotsin valtion harjoittamasta kielisyrjinn{st{
>suomalaisia  kohtaan Ruotsissa, en saanut yht{{n kommenttia ruotsalaisilta 
>tai edes suomalaisilta itse asian sis{ll|st{.

T{m{ on ihan yleinen ilmi| - ihmiset eiv{t useinkaan n{iss{
keskusteluissa viitsi perehty{ kattavaan materiaaliin tai lukea pitki{
juttuja joihin on tutkittukin jotain, siit{ ja mielekk{ist{
vastauksista tai kritiikist{ kun olisi aika paljon vaivaa.

En itsek{{n viitsinyt tuota l{hett{m{{si artikkelia lukea.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: Harmony amongst peoples
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:31:37 GMT

kkjendal@titan.ucc.umass.edu (KARL H KJENDAL) writes:
>Perhaps, coming from the US I cannot see the problems among the Swedes,
>Finns and other Nordic cultures, but I have seen these problems on a
>much larger scale in the U.S. where these problems plague everyone in
>every city town and village.  Perhaps you would see how foolish all of
>this petty bickering truly is if you looked at it globally.

I agree wholeheartedly. We should all stop this petty bickering and
work together to make all our cities, towns and villages similar to
Dushanbe or Sukhumi or Sarajevo or Los Angeles or Rostock, where
people of different cultures, religions and races are happily
exchanging bullets and Molotov coctails.  (-: (-:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: Denmark to the Arctic Sea! (was Re: The Finns,...)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:59:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.212012.23079@cs.hut.fi> ovr@snakemail.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.120043.13615@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>,
>qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) wrote:
>> Now, if you turnips don't start behaving again we just might have to
>> reinstate the Kalmar Union and put Margrethe II in charge of it.
>
>Hmmm, turnips, zits (finnar), wienerbr|d (danishes).

If we are to be consistent and keep it all in English, wouldn't
"pastry" (or "pastries") be better for the Danes?

>                                                     What do we call
>Norwegians and Icelanders?

I don't know. Question is, do they rate a special nickname at all?

Greetings,
--Mike

-- 
#include <std-disclm.h>--"... and there is a small flaw in my character."---
Real Life: Michael Christian Heide Qvortrup      A Dane         ETH, Zuerich
e-mail   : qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch                  abroad         Switzerland
Institut fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen  /  Inst. of Scientific Computation
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: pgiltner@epas.utoronto.ca (Philip W. Giltner Jr.)
Subject: address needed for Stockholm Uni
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:29:37 GMT

Hi. I need some one to provide me with a real-world  and if possible,
an email, address for the Department of History at the University of
Stockholm. A phone number also would be good.

I appreciate it greatly, and it is rather urgent.

Thanks in advance...

Phil

ps: Here are my specifics:

Phil Giltner
54 Victor Avenue
Toronto, ON
Canada
M4K 1A8				tlf: 416 778 5495




Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: The Finns of Sweden
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.100218.22213@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>the Forest-Finns of Warmland whose genocide was complited 1960's
>by the Swedish administration.
>

 Excuse me, but if any genocide was completed, I wouldn't be alive today.
 You see, I happen to hail from V{rmland and my (Finnish) ancestors lived 
 in Finnskogen in Northern V{rmland. I also have relatives (although far away)
 that are living in Finnskogen now whose ancestors also were Finnish.
 Or would you claim that I have dreamt all this? :-)

 I find this assertion about a genocide and the comparison to the Nazis
 very offending.
 
 Staffan
--
 ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson            
  \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se    
\\_))//-|| contact for Swedish hockey
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark to the Arctic Sea! (was Re: The Finns,...)
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:20:27 GMT
	<1992Nov13.120043.13615@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>
	<1992Nov13.162743.16038@odin.diku.dk>
	<STEINARB.92Nov16101536@hagtorn.idt.unit.no>
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway

>>>>> Han steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) skreiv:

>>>>>> karl@diku.dk (Karl-Christian Hansen) writes:

>> Now we're at the historical rights of our beloved country, we
>> shouldn't forget the Danelaw. (Brits might disagree!)

>> Denmark from the Nordkap to the Seine, and from Tallinn to London!
>                    ^^^^^^^
> You can't even spell the name. How do you expect to rule it...?

> Dans kant spel, neiter kan svids!
  ^^^^I meant, of course, "Deins".

Sorry!

- Steinar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: The Finns of Sweden
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:50:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.153649.11960@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:

> When the Finns came to Finnskogen, they brought an outstanding technique
> of farming called burn-beating (svedjebruk) i.e. burning down the woods
> and grow seeds in the ashes. Since the Finns were the masters in this
> area they managed to stay together and this enabled them to keep their
> language and their customs. However, in the 1960's, more advanced
> farming techniques developed causing the assimilation process to speed up.

I assume you mean the 1860's. The late 1860's was the last period of famine
in Europe. I learnt at school that the situation was really bad in areas
where farming was poor (Northern Sweden and Finland). This may have hurt
the Forest Finns particularly. 

More recently, I have read somewhere that the bad weather 1865-70
may have been due to a volcano explosion in present-day Indonesia 
(not Krakatoa which was later) which threw so much dust into the upper 
atmosphere that the global temperature was reduced for a couple of years.

Rolf Manne
Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Languages in soc.culture.nordic
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:58:01 GMT

A frequent contributor to this news-group states that all Nordic languages
should be used here, and it is our fault if we do not understand. I
would therefore like to add a passage from an old monologue by the Swedish
comedian Martin Ljung. It is from a lecture called "Att vara rolig" (How to
be funny) where he tells that the following funny joke was found in a
runic inscription. It is supposedly in Old Swedish and is thus apt for
this news-group. It cannot be translated, and it is your own fault if you
do not understand:

A: Then Sigjold hanes ygram pullerutt.
B: Ygram?
A: Ygram fjaesam pulle rutt!!

Rolf Manne
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander)
Subject: Radio Sweden Schedule
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:02:45 GMT

Does someone happen to have a copy of the most recent Radio Sweden
(Utrikes) schedule ?

As an alternative, how about the appropriate fax number for requesting such
a schedule directly ?


As usual: Many Thanks !

-Sven

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354-0156
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568-1530
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:37:56 GMT

Jyrki Kuoppala writes:
>Fredrik stman writes:

>>In a true democracy, you shouldn't ban it even if a vast majority
>>accepts it. There are such things as human rights and protection of
>>individuals (often referred to as minorities).

>Nope, that's called freedom you're talking about, not democracy.

This definition is just to make room for socialism within democracy.

>The trouble with rights is that people don't agree on what they are,
>how absolute they are and which rights take preference in conflict.

I agree. This is the conflict between classic and neo liberals on one
side and all different kinds of conservatives (old communists excluded)
on the other. Only conservatives can really give a solution to what
right will take preference, while liberals usually can define better
what the rights should be.

>For example, you think that alcohol prohibition is a law which should
>not be passed by a vote - still, countries like Finland and USA have
>had it.  The Nordic countries still have prohibition, though not on
>alcohol - and I think about it the same way you think about the
>alcohol prohibition, it is an unacceptable law because it is
>anti-freedom and doesn't recognize the individual's rights.

Right!

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From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Keskustelua suomalaisten asemasta Ruotsissa
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:38:00
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tiuhti.tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: ryyti@jyu.fi's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:58:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.105811.14215@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
   Kun olen nyt t{m{n kertonut, niin voisitko yst{v{llisesti ilmaista omat
   l{hteesi, jotka kumoavat edelliset l{hteet, jossa todetaan, koskien
   esim. Norrbottenia, ett{ mit{{n sellaista ei ole tapahtunutkaan mit{
   on tapahtunut. Ent{p{ l{hteesi Mets{suomalaisista-eik| heit{ mielest{si
   ole ollutkaan olemassa?

Enh{n min{ v{itt{nyt ettei mets{suomalaisia ollut olemassa, tai ettei
suomenkielisi{ ruotsalaisia ole kohdeltu v{{rin.  Mutta n{yt{ minulle
joku tieteellinen julkaisu jossa verrataan Ruotsia natsi-Saksaan t{ss{
yhteydess{... Etk| ymm{rr{ ettei sinun asiallisiinkaan kommenteihin
tai vittauksiin kukaan voi suhtautua vakavasti kun teet t{llaisia
vertailuja?
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Gothenburg Revisionist Mathematics (was Re: Alcoholism...)
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:47:00 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov15.163549.24852@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>In article <BxpJ5K.D8o@news.chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>What kind of mathematics do they teach at the carpenting school of 
>Gothenburg, also known as Chalmers University of Technology? :-)

  Now you've certainly gone too far! First you reveal the secret agenda of
Swedish world domination and now you sabotage an attempt to attune the
world <fnord> to Swedish Revisionist Mathematics!

>I would usually say that 30 glasses of wine is 30%, not 75%, of 100 
>glasses of wine.

  Well, yes, if we use NonSwedeMath that is more or less true, but if we use
Swedish Revisionist Mathematics it is immediately obvious to everybody that
2*15 is more than 100, just as 8 million is more than 4 billion, which is
the scientific basis for Swedish World Domination.

  I've informed Gyllenskalp and Morgonkr||k on "Sektionen f|r S{rkild 
Utsk{nkning" about your activities.

>Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
From: mjensen@cs.utexas.edu (Marc S. Jensen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Democracy
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:59:03 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1ebkf1INNkto@corax.udac.uu.se> andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:

>In a true democracy, you do whatever the majority decides you
>can do.  Democracy and freedom of the individual often go hand
>in hand, but they are definitely not the same thing.

Actually, in a *true* democracy, freedom of the individual would more than
likely be severely limited in many ways.  By a *true* democracy, I mean one
in which every decision is made strict majority rule.  
To my knowledge, no country in the world actually embraces the democratic
ideal to this extent -- democracy as a form of government only really works
when a great many compromises are made between majority and minority groups.

Possibly, there would be fewer problems with *true* democracy in Sweden (or
Norway or Denmark) since the population in those countries are, after all,
fairly homogenous.  

I believe that one of the reasons that democratic governments work is that 
people are *willing* to compromise a lot, perhaps because of a latent fear
of eventually ending up in the minority group?  
Local example from Texas: If we imposed strict majority rule, there would be
a lot of tension between Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics.  Currently, of course,
the whites are in the majority -- human nature dictates that they would not
oppose rules favorable to them.  BUT -- in 10 or 15 years, Texas may very
well be a primarily Hispanic state; what then?  Then majority rule would 
suddenly not be so attractive to those who wanted it before... 

Just a thought.

>May I suggest that you don't try to twist the interpretation of the
>word 'democratic' into whatever fits your perception of an
>ideal society?  It means 'ruled by (the) people' and does not
>imply anything about human rights and protection of individuals
>or minorities, other than at the whim of the majority.

Indeed.  Human rights may very well exist in a democratic government (which
they frequently do), but whether the majority of people wants it that way
because of their personal ethics, political conviction, common morality, 
The Will Of God (tm), or just out of the goodness of their own hearts, it is
*not* an inherent characteristic of democracy.

>Nice and democratic weather today, isn't it? ;-)

I dunno -- it's raining here, which is certainly contrary to what the
majority of people wants.  Must be anarchistic weather.  :-)


	-Marc

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se (Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden)
Subject: Re: The krona floats...
Reply-To: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se
Organization: Plasma Physics, KTH, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:19:59 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Nov20095454@isis.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>
> My point of view is a
>simple one: now we won't have to put up with another round of
>interminable blathering about rates of interest and crises and
>emergency meetings and that kind of thing, which is all to the good.

True enough. Now we only have to keep track of a two-digit inflation rate,
and a few quarrels between different labour unions saying things like 'Since
you got a 13% wage increase, we demand 14%!'.



Odd Bolin
Department of Plasma Physics, Alfven Laboratory
Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Ph: +46 - 8 - 790 7701	Fax: +46 - 8 - 245431
Internet: bolin@plasma.kth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic