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From: ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: LOOK, CBM IS WORKING HARD...
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:14:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

In article <8236@orbit.cts.com> malachai@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Tod Ihde) writes:
>riley@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Daniel S. Riley) writes:
>>In article <8226@orbit.cts.com> malachai@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Tod Ihde) writes:
>>[...]
>>>developement is next to nil. Ooooh, 2.04! ...And what else? What else have
>>>they done? Even IBM (sorry to mention that name) developed microchannel
>>>archetecture (please pardon my spelling).
>>
>>Bad example.  The Zorro III bus in the A3000 is way better than the
>>PS/2 implementation of MCA, and it is backwards compatible with Zorro
>>II as well.  Commodore engineering has done lots of neat, innovative
>>stuff (hardware and software) that they never seem to get enough
>>credit for...
>>
>>-- 
>>-Dan Riley                          Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu
>>-Wilson Lab, Cornell University     HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr)
>
>You've taken that bit out of context, and missed the point of my post.
> Commodore engineering can do as many fantastic things as they want to, but if
>people (especially here, where there never seems to be ANY news about CBM)
>don't hear about it, what good does it do?
>   Malachai.



I have to agree here.  We rarely hear anything new.  The only info
I have seen has been non-disclosure documents.  With EISA, local bus
video, DX2, 50Mhz 486DX, SVGA, it seems that we are really falling
behind the times here.  If at LEAST Commodore were to announce some
kind of information as to what they are working on, it might not be
so bad.  Give people some incentive to wait for the new Amiga model
to come out, rather than keep us in the dark and cause so many to
give up on Amiga with the purchase of their 486.

The Commodore engineers have done some fantastic work.  We still rely
on 7 year old technology, but it still (almost) keeps up with other
machines (MAC, IBM).  Maybe the developnemt department needs more
funding and less $$$ for the executives.  I heard somewhere that 
Japanese companies spend like 2 or 3 times the amount on research than
we do.  Maybe it's just a typical American company attitude
(even I know Commodore is based in Europe).

What new Amiga models can we expect?  An 040 3000 and 3000 tower 
doesen't impress me.  We can do that with 3rd party accelerators.
How about a time based scheme like Apple's "Quicktime".  Amiga is
touted the "Multimedia Machine", but out here at the Space Center
in FL macs are used everywhere.  Please commodore, come out with
something I can honestly say is worth having people (as well as
companies) invest in Amiga.


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Keith Ledig   ree88132@zach.fit.edu
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 020 vs 030
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:50:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug18.205027.912
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > > An '020 is about 75% of the speed of an '030.

This is not my statement but one that was quoted out of a message to me. 
Note the two ">" marks.  Yeah, I know... that isn't all that clear. ;-)

Still, one valid point might be that the 020 can be "more like 95% of the
speed of a 68030 in real software use *AS LONG AS THERE IS NO MMU*
attached" at the same clock rate.  Lots of 030's go 40-50 MHz but the
fastest 020 I ever saw was a 25 MHz unit.  Did they make a 33 MHz 020? If
they did, I didn't hear about it.  That would not be real surprising, since
I am not in electronics but I read a lot and probably would have seen
something about it.

Your point about the MMU is very good... I hadn't thought of that at all.

Another thing about the MMU, IMHO, is that lots of people are buying
cheaper accelerators that do not contain a MMU.  Are these people gonna be
disappointed about the time AmigaDOS v3.0 comes out or what?


Regards,


*======================================================================*
|Edward E. Brown II               | Internet: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com  |
|Chemist On A Mission From GOD!   | UUCP:     clark.edu!pro-freedom!eeb|
|Vancouver, WA, USA, N.Amer, Earth| FidoNet:  1:105/135                |
|---------------------------------|---//-------------------------------|
|"Back off man, I'm a scientist!" | \X/ A3000 - UNIX/MSDOS/MacDOS/ADOS |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: rbm2273@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.B. Mead )
Subject: Hardwired Demo on an A3000?
Originator: rbm2273@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:33:17 GMT

I've heard anout a demo called Hardwired.  It is said that this is one
of the best-ever demos on an Amiga!

I don't seem to be able to run it on an A3000.  It throws up a message
that says something like, "This demo does not like Axel".

Is this message a reference to .. not working on a non-68000 based
machine?

Does anyone know if (and how) this demo can be run on an A3000?

Thanks.  Reply here or to: rbm2273@ultb.isc.rit.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.comm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Citadel authors
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:24:27 GMT

In <1992Aug16.211310.1388@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umward10@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Derek Ward) writes:



>   Does anyone know if any of the authors of Citadel BBS can be reach via
>Internet?  Please mail me any info.  Thanks.

>Derek

>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>umward10@ccu.umanitoba.ca     <=- That's me.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------


          FOR THE RECORD:

The "Authors" of Citadel, as listed in the FISH description of the program
are NOT the authors of the Citadel program!
    ^^^

They are the authors of the AMIGA VERSION, not of Citadel itself.  Citadel
was the brain-child of Jeffrey S. Prothero some 10 years ago in CP/M.  He
is here at the UW on glia.biostr.  The program was the first of its kind
in a world of linear BBS's.

Please, Mr. Fish, correct your records so that they do not imply erroneous
authorship.  Citadel is one H*ll of a program, and credit for it's original
and innovative design should not be taken away from the original author.

And, yes, I have first hand knowledge of this because I worked on the
original program with Jeff when it was in beta test at ICS on Bainbridge
Island, Wa. back in 1981/2.


Thank you...

Crystal
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Citadel History Tree
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.714174525
Organization: University of Washington


Here it is, from Bob Perigo, Babel BBS in Seattle:


Subject: cit-tree.txt

                               (CrT)
                            Citadel 2.11
                                 |
                                 |
                           (David Mitchel)
                            Citadel 2.??
                                 |\_____________
                                 |              \
                            (Bruce King)    (Gary Meadows)
                            Citadel 2.20      *Asgard-80   
                                 |
                        ________/|\_____________
                       /         |              \
                 (Maher Maso)    |          (Caren Park)
                 Citadel 2.??    |          Citadel 2.25
                      |          |               |
                      |          |               |
                (Bob Perigo)     |          (Kerry Kyes)
                   *Babel        |          Citadel 2.28
       __________________________/\__________________________
      /             /                          \             \
 (David Bonn)     (?)                       (Hue Jr.)   (Many sites)
  StoneHenge    Ideatree                     *Cit86     *New york/NJ
      |\                                        |             |
      | \____________________________           |        (Many sites)
      |                \             \          |        *East coast
 (Grey Mouser)    (Major Chaos)  (Scott S.)     | 
   Commons         *IronHenge      NeoLith      | 
                                               /|\
         _____________________________________/ | \___________
        /                     /                 |             \
       |                     |                  |             |
  (The Gremlin)        (Gary Meadows)          (?)          *Cit 68
     GremCit            *Asgard-86          *STadel       Many Others
       |\___________          \____              \
       |            \              \              \
  (The Dragon)  (Turtle!)   (Brent Barrett)    (Ganelius)
   *DragCit      M.O.D.E.       *NovuCit     *Inner Sanctum
       |             \__________________________________________
       |\_________________________________________              \
       |           \             \                \             |
   (ColdBrook)   (John)      (Joe Broxson)     (Turtle!)   (Shoestring)
    SuperCit    *TurboCit    *DragCit Rev B.   *M.O.D.E.   *Citadel II
  
 * = Active           
  
  Please send any additions, changes (like spelling of names :-) ) and
other observations to Dragon@Honalee, or post them in this room. I would 
like to keep this up to date. Possibly as a part of a citadel history. 
 
  Anyone who knows about the east coast citadel history please help me!
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Neww Amigas??
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:37:57 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <1992Aug16.235744.824@pro-freedom.cts.com>, eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com
(Ed Brown) writes:
>
> > It will probably be good for Amigas, *IF* they are *NEW* Amigas,
> > not the A600.  If it's just coverage of the A600, it will
> > probably make us look stupid...
>
>
>Well, not to sound paranoid or anything but that may well be Byte's plan.
>Like other computing mags, Byte has tended to give the Amiga the big ignore
>in most cases.  Putting the A3000 on the cover just about floored me but
>the positioning of the computer, keyboard, and mouse made the machine look
>pretty dumb as did the incredibly awful Workbench colors they selected.  I
>wonder if their art department had a hand in that.  Could be since it
>must've taken some time to figure out something that crappy.  I hope that
>the coverage comes out better than I suspect that it will but I must admit
>that I am NOT optimistic at this point.
>
>
>
>*======================================================================*
>|Edward E. Brown II               | Internet: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com  |
>|Chemist On A Mission From GOD!   | UUCP:     clark.edu!pro-freedom!eeb|
>|Vancouver, WA, USA, N.Amer, Earth| FidoNet:  1:105/135                |
>|---------------------------------|---//-------------------------------|
>|"Back off man, I'm a scientist!" | \X/ A3000 - UNIX/MSDOS/MacDOS/ADOS |
>*======================================================================*
 
The fact that they took the Amiga and put it on the cover is a major event in
itself.  While Byte doesn't cover the Amiga as heavily as they do the clones
and workstations, they do give it good coverage(Jerry Pournelle excepted, he
wouldn't know a good computer if it came up and bit him on the a**!).  While
the colors they used for the A3000 were ugly, the article was very positive
about the Amiga as a whole.  When Byte covers the Amiga, it usually gets very
high marks(read the series of articles on DTV, on the final article in the
series, almost every paragraph plugged the Amiga *at the expense* of the Mac
and PC).  
 
John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Subject: Re: Null-modem-cable : help needed
Reply-To: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:43:47 GMT


In a previous article, rensing@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Stefan Rensing) says:

>Hi !
>
>Does anybody know how to make a correct null-modem-cable ?
>
>I tried connecting GND-GND, SHIELD-SHIELD and cross-connecting
>TXD-RXD but it doesn't work.
>
>What else do I have to connect ?
>
>And, by the way, which games can one play with the cable ?
>
>Thanks ,
>
>           Stefan.
>
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Stefan Rensing                  | e-mail : rensing@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de
> Institute of Biology II         | (INTERNET)
> Cell Biology                    | Phone  : +49 761 203 2676
>

Your cable sounds fine to me.  If you want to check, the connections necessary are:
pin 7 to pin 7
pin 2 to pin 3
pin 3 to pin 2

If you manage to get the cable working, try playing Stunt Car Racer or Populous
or one of the many other games which can use a null-modem connection.

Dave.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Where is DMS V3.11???  IT HAS BEEN FOUND...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:33:43 GMT

...TO NOT EXIST....


The person responsible for the typo contacted me...       

Just so you all know.  :>


1.11 is the latest version.

Crystal
  ;>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders )
Subject: Re: high density floppies on A3000T?
Originator: kxs5829@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:48:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.151525.21868@enea.se> tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes:
>kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders ) writes:
>- 	I just got my A3000T and I was wondering if there is any way to tell if
>- I have high(er) density floppy drives than the standard 880K.
>- 
>- 	- Kyle
>
>Put in a HD disk and format it.

	Thanks to all who e-mailed this advice as well.  My df0: that
originally came with the machine is a HD drive, though the df1: is not.

	- Kyle

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From: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Sour grapes (was Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!)
Keywords: amiga 2.04 os commodore bashing stop
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:48:29 GMT
Reply-To: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

dgilbert@aeshq.uucp (David Gilbert) writes:
>	Fact is, you get what you pay for.  SysV upgrades are generally
>$350--$400 depending on the CPU and vendor.  What do you expect?
>Another lonesome fact is that vendors make money on upgrades ---
>that's how the industry works.

	In fact, since C= is mainly a hardware company, we don't in general
make real money on software.  You don't want to know how many man-years went
into developing 2.04...  I guarantee if we were a separate company selling
the OS for a profit it would be more expensive (or we'd be broke).  I'm sure
all the sales companies sell it for more than the package costs to produce
(physically), and make a profit for us, them, and the dealers on the physical
package, but as I'm sure you know the package cost is much smaller than the
work that went into developing the software.

disclaimer: my own opinions, of course.  Plus I'm not in a sales company,
and don't know how much they actually charge.
-- 
"Rev on the redline, you're on your own; seems like a lifetime, but soon it's
 gone..."  Foreigner
-
Randell Jesup, Jack-of-quite-a-few-trades, Commodore Engineering.
{uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!jesup, jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com  BIX: rjesup  
Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion.
From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: World of CBM, Pasadena
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:59:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu
Originator: simon@ivem


Can anyone post details about the upcoming World of Commodore show.
Are there any brochures or flyers out there?

Thanks.

-- 
*   Simon Lee              *   Microscopy and Imaging Resource          *
*   simon@ivem.ucsd.edu    *   Intermediate Voltage Electron Microscopy *
*   sulee@ucsd.edu         *   UC San Diego, Dept. of Neuroscience      *
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: rensing@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Stefan Rensing)
Subject: Null-modem-cable : help needed
Keywords: null-modem
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 10:37:57 GMT

Hi !

Does anybody know how to make a correct null-modem-cable ?

I tried connecting GND-GND, SHIELD-SHIELD and cross-connecting
TXD-RXD but it doesn't work.

What else do I have to connect ?

And, by the way, which games can one play with the cable ?

Thanks ,

           Stefan.

-- 
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 Stefan Rensing                  | e-mail : rensing@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de
 Institute of Biology II         | (INTERNET)
 Cell Biology                    | Phone  : +49 761 203 2676
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: monty@sagpd1 ()
Subject: Re: LOOK, CBM IS WORKING HARD...
Reply-To: monty@sagpd1.UUCP (Monty Saine)
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Government Products Div, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:07:54 GMT

In article <15scafINN39j@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> mcgowen@cse.ucsc.edu (Richard McGowen) writes:
>>
>>It probably won't be pin compatible if it is to be a 32 bit chip set.  Will
>>a ZorroIII card come out for the A3000? 
>
>As for whether or not the new chip set will be pin compatible, no
>guesses here.
>
>I just hope that there will be some reasonable $$ upgrade for the 3000.
>(IE no more than $250)
>

	if ( A600 is all surface mount)
	    if ( A600 contains AA chipset)
		AA chipset not pin compatible with old chipset
	    endif
	endif


	Monty Saine
From: douglee@douglee.GTS.ORG (Doug Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  A3000 and KickStart 1.3
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:35:36 EST
Organization: Great Canadian Computerworks

To: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: A3000 and KickStart 1.3
Reply-To: douglee@douglee.GTS.ORG
Organization: Great Canadian Computerworks

In comp.sys.amiga.misc, article <1992Aug13.155903.16290@enea.se>, you wrote:

> Dave Haynie has made a program, SetCPU, that can do the trick. It can read
> Kickstart disks or Kickstart files, and so kick 1.3.
> 
This works on my 3000 using a 1000 kickstart disk, but doesn't find any
expansion memory, cards or the SCSI controller. Also doesn't survive warm
boots. It only works under 1.2 and 1.3. I was trying to get 1.1 going, but
no luck. I suspect it's incompatible with the 68030 as 1.1 works on my 68020
1000.


> I thought it would be easier to have 1.3 and 2.0 as kickfiles on the HD, so
> I made such. WB 2.04 contains a program (a script really) that's called
> something like update2.0. If you look at that script in a text editor, you'll
> see that it calls a program that reads kickstart info from a SuperKickstart
> disk and saves it in a file. It can do so both for 1.3 and 2.0, and both
> are on the same 2.04 Kickstart disk!
> 
> You can then boot your machine and type something like
> "setcpu KICKROM devs/kickstart.1.3".
> It reboots and wants a 1.3WB disk or "It Came From The Desert".
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                       I haven't seen this :-)
                                       just the usual 1.3 boot screen
                                       
> I haven't been able to boot 1.3WB from the HD, can anyone help? I made

I have mine working fine. If you name your partition WB_1.3: in hdtoolbox
and boot 1.3 from floppy, the partition should be visible. Make sure it
already has a devs directory and run the program you mentioned above to
install kickstart on the partition. You can make it FFS and should install
the FastFileSystem which comes on the 2.04 install disk. The setclock
program won't recognise the clock, but there is one which works on 1.3 disks
shipped with older 3000's. Maybe if you're lucky the 2.04 one will work but I
haven't tried it. 
> =============================================================================
>  Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
> =============================================================================
--
douglee@douglee.gts.org   <<<Doug Lee>>>
...!becker!douglee!douglee
416-461-5357
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: SAS/C 6.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: na
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:23:22 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <1992Aug15.154935.18742@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>, mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller) wrote:
> Has anyone gotten any information from SAS about this product?  I saw their
> ad in Amazing Computing and in Amiga World.  This prompted me to write to
> them requesting info, but I was surprised that I didn't get anything from
> them directly.  I am a registered user of 5.10 and am interested in getting
> the upgrade.  Does anyone know the price?  (I haven't heard back from them
> yet.)  Did anyone hear from them yet?

The upgrade price (from 5.10) is $109. The manual (which was the
weakest point of the old compiler) has been completely rewritten, and
important parts of the documentation are now available online.

CPR is much more powerfull.

There's now a peephole optimizer.

The global optimizer has made it into the 90s.

There are two command line drivers; one backwards compatable with
5.10, one using AmigaDOS arguments.

The arguments/options file interactions is now sane.

The list goes on (and on and on and on)..

I haven't seen the actual package yet, but suspect that it's going to
be well worth the $109 price.

	<mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman)
Subject: Printer driver
Reply-To: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:41:25 GMT

Anyone know what the proper printer driver for the Commodore MPS-1270,
their inkjet printer?   Thanks.
 
			- Kenneth Moorman (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu)