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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.155946.29497@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>fight or lose all self respect. Clare talks about teaching woman to
>fight molesters. Yet originally your complaint was Diana was correct
>in not letting her son stick up for himself. Which is it Clare?
>If your just looking for fight and wanna flip flop around to keep it
>going I suggest you try your SO. I haven't the time for your name calling
>nor your fence straddeling.

  What name calling?  I wasn't the one calling you Rambo, GI Joe,
  etc.  My point is that one must stand up for oneself, but only
  if the situation warrants.  In Diane (and Dylan's) case, Dylan
  is a 22 month old baby, so Diane was right in standing up for
  him by saying things to the father.  Diane's contention is that
  the father had a lackadasical attitude about his son's unprovoked
  pushing behavior.  Do you let your 22 month old babies stick up
  for themselves???  No one said that Diane wouldn't let her son
  stick up for himself when he goes to school.  Presumably he'll
  have better verbal and physical skills by then.  Some 22 month
  old babies can't even keep their balance, much less push people
  around.
> 
>>>You people [referring to] are 100% certifyably insane.
>    You people refer's to Clare, Andy and Diana. Phobics the lot of you.
>Clare you are a psychotic.   
>Maybe Andy can get a 2 for 1 at the counselors.

  A lot of libelous name-calling.

> Hear let me put it in caps for those with comprehension problems:
> MY POST REFERRED TO THE FUTURE. SOMETIME SHE WILL HAVE TO SEND HER
>SON TO SCHOOL. GET IT CLARE. WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.
>Actually I know exactly where the diffuculty is.

  Yes your post was relating to the future.  My contention is the
  sexist language and the "a man's gotta do..." as if women (girls)
  don't have to put up with this.  As several posters and myself have
  pointed out, girls do indeed have to learn to stand up for themselves.
  I am not arguing with you about standing up for yourself, but rather
  the stuff about "putting Dylan in a dress" and "making him wear
  tights."  Implying that people who wear dresses and tights (mostly
  females) do not have to worry about fighting and assertiveness, that
  these people hide under desks and wait for mommy (or knights) to rescue them.
> 
> [hypocrisy comments deleted]

  All I see from you is a leap of imagination from a 22-month infant's 
  relying on his Mommy to a 9 year old getting lunch money stolen every day
  and hiding under his desk wearing dresses and tights.  Sounds like you 
  have a real hostility towards anything that smacks of "feminity".  
  I wonder if you allow your boys a good cry every now and then.
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: corr. between overdue/c-sec.
Summary: more 2 cents
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:54:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1992Oct16.191957.15826@u.washington.edu> lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap ) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.180534.9861@schbbs.mot.com> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
>>
>>Does my explanation make sense? How often do post-term pregnancies (meaning
>>1-2 wks post due date) end up with C-sections? If (when) I get pregnant again
>>is it likely for me to be overdue again?
>
>I don't know any of the statistics, but that's what happened to me.
>(cervical gel to induce, contractions start, heart rate dropped,
>c-section).  Like you, I'm interested to know if this will be more
>likely to occur the next time around.  Anyone else?

As long as we're collecting anecdotes  ;o) , this sounds a lot
like my 1st delivery--10 days late, spontaneous labor but subsequent
induction with pitocin, and ultimately a C-section.

I didn't see all of Mary's posting.  I would guess that Cesareans
are more likely in cases where the baby doesn't drop, the cervix
doesn't prepare well for labor, etc --factors that probably also
correlate with being overdue.

Now for the good news... My three kids were 10, 13, and 8 days late,
but only the first was delivered Cesarean.  Even though the second
two were late, there were more signs that my body was "on course"--none
of the babies dropped completely, but the second two were lower in
late pregnancy, and I walked around for several weeks prior 
to both births at 1-2 cm dilation.

Sue
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: RE: No Santa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 08:52:34 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:

> I think its wonderful of you all not to tell your kids about Santa or that
> Santa is pretend.  However, I have a problem.  I'm one of those parents who
> told my daughter the Santa lie.  She's now 9 years old and refuses to give
> him up.  It's my fault because a couple of years ago she asked me if I
> believed in Santa and I said "yes".  I realize now that that was the time
> to tell her the truth, but I blew it.  Go ahead flame me for lying, I
> deserve it.  Also she had told me around the same time that a boy named Jack
> didn't believe in Santa and I replied "Well Santa probably doesn't believe
> in Jack".  Now I would like her to stop believing without me having to tell
> her.  So I asked her the other day if she really believed in Santa Claus.
> She told me yes, just because her friends don't doesn't mean she can't.
> Anybody have any suggestions?  Should I just go ahead and tell her I lied
> and there isn't a Santa?  Should I let her keep believing until she's ready
> to give him up?  Or, do you think she really doesn't believe, but is afraid
> of getting less presents by admitting it?
>
> Signed,
>
> TIRED OF BEING SANTA
> -----
It sounds like you need to find out why she needs Santa to exist. It may be a
security-blanket thing with her, or she may feel that she won't get any
presents if she doesn't believe.
I have a frined who confessed that she found out about Santa, but didn't tell
her parents for two years because she was afraid she wouldn't get any more
presents. It was also the first thing my daughter after she had me tell the
truth.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Experiments
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:31:17 GMT


Another experiment I forgot to mention when I sent email to the
original poster. Collect some of those yellow-brown envelopes
that bill come in -- especially the large ones. Not all such
envelopes will work for this, so you might want to practise
on a few. In fact, paper making technology may have changed
so much over the last 20 years that none do, but I doubt it.

Take some spray cleaner like Windex and spritz the envelope.
"Working" is defined as turning red-purple where the Windex
touches the paper. You can turn it back to the original
colour with vinegar. This is just like litmus paper -- the
spray cleaner is alkali and the vinegar is acid. You could even
go around testing other household substances to see if they
are acid or alkali.

Kate
From: statar@ihlpb.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Baby not eating at daycare
Date: 15 Oct 1992 20:06:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I no longer have net access but am attempting to post
to misc.kids via e-mail.  Please send responses to

ihlpb!statar@cbnewse.att.com

Problem:  Nursing baby won't eat when I'm at work

Background:  I have two daughters, Jessica (29 months),
and Kathy (4 1/2 months).  I returned to work on 10/6,
a part-time schedule of 3 days/week for 8 hours each
day.  My Mom babysits one day per week and I have a 
home daycare for the other two days, the kids are there
for 10 hours each day.  Last week they went Tues & Fri,
my mom babysat Thurs.  This week they went Mon & Thurs,
my mom babysat Wed.  Kathy will drink bottles of formula
or breastmilk with no problems when fed by me, my husband,
or my mom.  The first day I sent her to daycare with
formula.  She refused to eat or sleep and was upset all day.
She drank about 3 oz. of formula in the middle of the day.
There were 3 kids there that day besides mine, and two adults.

The second day I sent breastmilk and there was only one other
child there (3YO).  That day went just fine and I assumed the 
first day was only bad because it was the first day.  This week
again it was just my two and the boy who lives there.  The first
day went well.  Today was terrible.  Kathy would not eat at all,
maybe took in an ounce maximum during the day, and wanted to be
held a lot.  She took catnaps and was somewhat happy, although
starved.  When she got home she nursed 25 minutes (she usually 
does about 10), and fell asleep.  She's been sleeping 2 hours now.

What can I do to get her to eat when I'm not there?  It really isn't
possible for me to come home and nurse her during the day as it's 
about 20 minutes from work to the daycare home.  I have brought
breastmilk over there every day except the first day.  She even
tried formula today.  Should I work on getting Kathy to eat solids,
or something to make her feel more at home when she's away?  She
was born on 5/22.  The doctor said to start solids at 4 months,
and I've tried about 5 times, she will eat about 5 bites of cereal
before she starts spitting it out.  She'll eat rice cereal but not
oatmeal.  She ate a little bit of baby sweet potatoes the other night.
I'm just not anxious to get started with that.  She nurses 5x per
day and sleeps all night.

Thanks for any advice or commiserating.  Somebody please send some
e-mail so I'll know if this got through.  Please don't post responses
as I have no way of getting them.

Sherry Tatar
ihlpb!statar@cbnewse.att.com
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lead paint tester
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:31:22 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <Yer87N200UhWI5gVAV@andrew.cmu.edu>, dg10+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich) writes:
|> 
|> Does anybody know of a cheap and/or easy way to test if the paint
|> in my apartment are lead based?
|> 
|> David
|> 
|> "Yum.  These paint flakes taste good."

The cheapest and easiest way is surely not recommended, but it's 
suggested by your postscript. What makes paint flakes taste good? The 
lead compound itself actually tastes good, it has a sweet taste, according 
to something I read somewhere. If those paint flakes taste good, there's 
probably a problem!

The Perfectly Safe catalog (they have an 800 number, so try 800-555-1212) 
has a lead test kit, but it's not particularly cheap. Do local health 
departments have something to offer? It would be worth calling around 
with the help of your local telephone directory to see if they do.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: at555@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (C. A. Melfi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fisher-Price car seat recall
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:34:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Okay; I got through to someone at F-P about the care recall.
Here's how it went:  I called 1-800-527-1034, which I got from
F-P headquarters in East Aurora, NY (716) 687-3000.  The person
at the toll-free # couldn't help me directly, BUT, she could get
me through to the 800# that I kept getting a busy signal on--
1-800-432-5437.  I was put on hold for about 2-3 minutes, then
got a representative on the line.  (The person who put me through
told me I'd be put on hold, but said "Don't Hang Up, or you'll never
get through again!")  

My carseat is the 9104 and was made in 1991. The F-P representative
said it needed a new buckle mechanism, which they'd send, but I
wouldn't receive for about 14 weeks(!).  In the meantime, she said,
we should always make sure the buckle mechanism works properly, and
to double check that the seat is buckled securely.  We've only had the 
seat for a couple weeks, but we had noticed that the buckle doesn't 
make a nice, reassuring "click" when it's secured.

She mentioned that other carseats need a "connector bar cover".  For 
those seats, the replacement part arrives in 8-10 working days.

I hope this info is helpful to F-P carseat owners.

-CM
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: corr. between overdue/c-sec.
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:02:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.180534.9861@schbbs.mot.com>, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
|> The recent threads about meconium in amniotic fluid brought back some
|> questions I have about the correlation between post-term pregnancies and
|> complications. ...
|> [rest deleted]

I have 4 children, all were overdue (18 days, 8 days, 16 days, 9 days) 
and babies 1, 3 and 4 were induced.  The induced babies were all 9 1/2 lbs;
the one who came on her own (baby #2) was 8 lbs.  (Whatever it is that's 
supposed to happen at the end of a pregnancy [like "dropping", effacing, 
dilating, etc], my body doesn't seem to know how to do.)

During labor I wore a fetal monitor for the 3 induced ones.  The babies 
showed no stress (although with baby #1 *I* was having blurred vision and
high blood pressure in my overtime, and with baby #3, there was meconium
in the water), and I had no C-sections.  I will say, though, that the
fact that my belly continues to grow in my overtime (42cm at 42 weeks)
seems to indicate that my placenta doesn't give out before baby is 
finished using it :-)

Jan
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In case anyone else was confused, Laura Floom is right: I
mentioned the fighting back mainly to discount the idea (which
regularly gets raised in these discussions) that fighting
back is the solution.

I *was* proud of fighting back at the time.  But now I think
that fighting back was simply my automatic reaction to being
attacked, and if I had been naturally the sort who doesn't
fight back, I'd have been proud of that instead.  If you
can't change the bullies, the best way to survive it is to
find a way to feel proud of yourself for handling it.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: dg10+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Lead paint tester
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:23:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Yer87N200UhWI5gVAV
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Does anybody know of a cheap and/or easy way to test if the paint
in my apartment are lead based?

David

"Yum.  These paint flakes taste good."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: owens@tartarus.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Re: Sugarbabies
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:41:45 GMT

In <2483@shuksan.boeing.com> stuart@shuksan.boeing.com (Gary Stuart) writes:

> Yes, cane sugar is natural!!  And is much better for the body and teeth
> than refined sugar is.

Could you please provide some substantiation for your claim that cane
sugar is better for the teeth than refined sugar?
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:36:36 GMT
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio

<1b1jchINN992@eagle.natinst.com>
<1992Oct8.160911.11869@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
<1992Oct8.175646.17716@dptg.att.com>
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio


 My best friend when I was growing up was a Mormon, who give several
middle names to their children. His full name was Jeffrey Charles Allan
Scott Snyder, which doesn't sound too bad until you look at the initials - 

JCASS.


-Jim
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <LV7ksB1w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>
>Btw, how did you discourage that one bully?  Was she (or he) just
>a weak and inadequate bully?  Or did you use a real stratagem?
>(Everybody talks about outsmarting bullies but there really isn't
>any obvious way to do that.)

I hit him in the gut hard enough to make him throw up. Not nice, but effective.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: evelyn@cadreor.cadre.com (Evelyn Mast)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:17:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cadreor.1992Oct12.161723.21342
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cadre Technologies, Inc., Portland Operation

cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>back to reality.  The nurses kept assuring me that it was there just in
>case they needed to administer any type of medication if something should
>go wrong, that IV was the quickest/best way.  This may also be a valid
>reason for IV during labor/delivery, a "just in case" thing.  Our first is
>due 1/19/93, and I don't want an IV either, but I can sort of understand
>why they may want to install one.

>Christine
>mom-2-b in Jan. '93

When I was in labor (in a Kaiser Hosp.FWIW), they kept on insisting
that I should have an IV.  It was very important to me that I go
through labor, as much as possible, naturally and without medication.
I refused to allow them to install an IV.  They said "you need fluids",
and I said "I am getting plenty with the ice chips" which I sucked down
after each contraction.  I just said "NO".

Become informed and decide on what your own personal limits are.
Everyone is different, and each birth is a different situation.  Certainly
a hospital will have things set up for their own convenience, and
they have their own routines.

The doctor also was insisting that I should have an episiotomy.  "I
think I'm going to have to give you an episiotomy" I kept on hearing
before each contraction, and I said "No".  The doctor however did an
excellent job of perineal message in between contractions, and I ended
up with 2 MINOR tears - much less than an episiotomy.  And my 7lb7oz
daughter was born with 30 min. of pushing.

Evelyn
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Giving birth under water
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:46:15 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Oct1.213600.20428@pencom.com> twriter1@pencom.com writes:
> I am interested in delivering my babies under water (when it's 
> time to have them).  I forget the name of the method.  
> Does anyone have any info?  Pros and cons? Anyone out there
> ever done it?
> 
> Tanya Herlick

Back in the early '80s when we were having one of our boys at our doctor's
birthing clinic, he discussed with us his only experience at delivering a
baby under water.  

At the time he (Dr. Peter Bours) was willing to do all kinds of things,
including delivering babies at home, at one of their "birthing cabins",
in their office, and even this once, under water.  (Later he stopped, and
eventually stopped delivering *any* babies, because those !@#$% "pro-life"
people delivered one too many _bomb threat_ to his clinic!!! These people
never cease to amaze me... this guy was a wonderful doctor)  Anyway, he 
researched it out at this woman's request, and they ended up doing it in 
an indoor hot tub.

His conclusion:  He, the mother, and the child all hated it.  He couldn't
see anything (think about laboring and delivering in pitch black) especially
once her water broke, they couldn't monitor her or the baby at all, she got
cold even though the water was warm, and the baby cried and cried, seemingly
(according to him) from the "extra" shock -- perhaps of temperature or 
salinity?  Then he had the placenta to deal with, and he couldn't tell if
she was delivering it adequately, if she were bleeding too much, or what.
Lucky too she didn't need an episiotomy! 

I'd heartily endorse the Bradley method, especially mixed with a little
self-relaxation, and perhaps the LeBoyer (low lights) though I haven't
seen any hard data on that.  But leave the baths for later.

IMHO.

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
From: toney_cd@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE:10-year-old ostracized at school
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:42:44 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

Hello! I am a freshman in college, and I have went through a similar event when 
I was a kid. I was always pushed aside and forgotten by other kids. It is a
terrible feeling. I always felt less perfect then the other kids my age. I
can not stand for a child to be put through this kind of torture. It was very
hard on me because as a boy I would want to play ball, fish, hunt, talk to 
girls, and do the things that most normal boys my age did. But I was not
accepted. As a childrens' church director I have saw so many kids pushed aside.
So I also would like to say if anybody has a child that needs someone to talk 
to, or if you would like a boy to have a good Christian male rolemodel then
I would like to help. I have been a childrens' church director, a RA leader, a
childrens' choir director, and I am presently working on becoming a teacher of
the hearing impared.  Thanks
               send all mail to toney_cd@alice.lrc.edu
From: estier@nike.calpoly.edu (Ellen Stier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 12:50:25 -0500
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I worked with a guy named Harold Lipps (who often went by Harry). He
answered his phone: "Lipps speaking", (or when he was particularly
verbose, "Harry Lipps speaking".
From: bt630@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Michaels)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"
Date: 13 Oct 1992 11:19:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


The *first* time I felt grown-up was at age 13.  My little sis's
babysitter "helped" me take a bath.  I won't say *how* she helped,
but it was an enjoyable experience...


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