HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bad Accident - Bad Cops
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

_Bad_ cop! No donut!

(from someone's sig)

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:19261 sci.med:14903
From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Summary: position
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:09:37 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <92204.074918EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu>, EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.211806.21416@cs.ubc.ca>, croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris
> Roehrig) says:
> >
> >I went on a 290 km (180 mi) cycle-camping tour on the weekend, and now,
> >two days later, the ring and pinky fingers on my left hand are still
> 
> heel of your hand might cause the nerve problem.  Do you wear bicycling
> gloves?  Those are supposed to help protect your palms, I think.
> 
I've had problems like this over the years and in some cases it was a positional
problem. If you are doing *nothing* else off the bike that could be related to
this then I'd have someone check your position - i.e is your top tube tool long/short,
or is your handlebar stem set too low in the headtube. You may have your bike
setup so that your distributing too much weight onto your arms - it's possible.

The reason I mentioned that something you're doing off the bike may be related to
this problem is because this was a chronic problem I used to have. Every fall I'd start 
to introduce some weight training and Roller Skiing into my routine (in anticipation
of a good snow and XC racing season - which never seemed to materialize). Without fail,
about a month after I started the ski specific stuff, any Bike ride over 30 miles would
bring on the type of numbness you describe. The problem never surfaced while I was skiing
or doing the weights - only on the bike. I could never figure out whether it was nerve
pressure due to a slight increase in muscle bulk or just the result of road shock from
the ski poles.  After the ski season (assuming we even had one) was over, and I stopped
doing the ski stuff, the numbness would gradually subside till the next fall.

BTW - I have had this problem in the past just from a bike related problem. In that instance
I had my Handlebar Stem set way too low in the headtube, about 3 inches lower than my
saddle. Raising it to a more normal level seemed to better distribute my weight and the
problem disappeared.
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:18:27 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: na,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Jul22.080113.22622@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes...
>In article <1992Jul22.014439.2876@athena.mit.edu>, jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
> 
>|> Also, my rear derailleur is an Exage 500LX.  Is it worth paying $25 for
>|> a Deore DX derailleur?
> 
>The 500LX derailleur weighs 320 grammes against 310 grammes for the DX.  The
>front derailleur has the same weight.
> 
>The only big weight saving in the Shimano range (excluding XTR) is from the
>200GS chainset to the Exage 500 LX which cuts weight from 1390 grammes to
>750 grammes.


  To the comment: "is it woth paying $25 for a Deore DX...", my answer would
be yes.  The DX der. shifts far better and smoother than the 500LX deralieur,
which is 2 steps down in the line, from DX.

    Just a word from somebody,

   Joel Brodsky    jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                   jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                   jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Grig Lemmon? (was Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF))
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:41:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I notice that practically everyone on the net is
spelling Greg LeMond's name as Lemond. On the cover of
his book and throughout it his name is spelled LeMond.

I do think that this would indicate how _Greg_ wants his name spelled.

Seems a bit funny though from someone named Kunich --
which practically no-one can pronounce in the first place.
:-)
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: bicycle police
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:31:44 EST
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

 *This message originally appeared in the RelayNet Police conference
(i.e. newsgroup)

from Pete Hartman to Chris Athey

 CA>    Anyone have any info they can send me on how your bicycle patrol
is
 CA>   set up? We'll be starting a unit next spring and need as much
info as
 CA>  we can get, so we can set it up over the winter months.

Chris, the City of Omaha (Nebraska) has been using bicycle patrol for
a couple of years now, and find it to be very effective.  It has
helped very much on drug-sale busts because the perps are just not
looking for anything but a police cruiser.  Most times the bicycle
officers catch them without warning!

If you would like more information on their implementation of the
bicycle patrol, you can contact the Omaha Police Division:

        Omaha Police Division
        505 S. 15th St
        Omaha, NE 68102

        Administrative Offices:
        Chief of Police James Skinner           (402) 444-5666
        Deputy Chief Uniform Patrol Bureau      (402) 444-5622
        or generic number                       (402) 444-5600

Hope that helps!

(end of forwarded message)

Further comments from NDA: The Metropolitan Toronto Police also operates
a bicycle unit. For more information, write to:
 Chief of Police
 Metropolitan Toronto Police Force
 40 College Street
 Toronto, Ontario
 Canada
 telephone (416) 324-2222
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Touring bicycles -- an extinct breed?
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399

In <1992Jul20.171156.20659@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:

>In article <SCHENG.92Jul20092734@bcarh886.bnr.ca>, scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca 
>  (Spencer Cheng) writes:
>  
> > Hybrids and mtn bikes do not make great touring bikes. 

>I just wanted to disagree with this statement (rest of article deleted).
>Road-based hybrids (drop bars) make excellent touring bikes.  

I have to agree.

My hybrid has all the braze-ons I need for water bottles, low-riders,
racks, etc.  It has clearance for wide tires and fenders.  The stock
drivetrain is a Suntour cassette hub and triple crankset with indexed
BarCon shifters.  The cantilever brakes can stop me quickly even with
a fairly heavy (70+ lbs) load on the racks, assuming I'm running tires
wide enough to have good traction.  It's an almost ideal touring bike,
and what customization I did (clip-on bars, Vetta Lite saddle,mirror, 
XC-Pro bottom bracket, radio) cost less than $100.
-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20: Send POSTAL addr: Solid-Value@happy-man.com
From: bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WAIT! add another subgroup. was Re: Ride safe, fellow cyclists.
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:44:44 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ

WAIT ! LES AND BOB! is it too late to add rec.bicycle(s).irrelevant and
then hope that stuff like this will be moved there so that we don't
have to read sexist/feminist stuff when we're expecting (silly us) to
be following another thread?


>>>*were going faster than you were".  And of course it's a young woman, "don't
>>>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>                                Just what the *&^%$ is this supposed to mean?
>>The trend is that women drivers aren't as safe as they used to be.
>>I could be wrong.  Just keep riding and ride safe!
>>--Jennifer

ferguson@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (Alex Ferguson) writes:
> Unfortunately, Jennifer is right. It is what I call the "Supermarket 
> Syndrome". 
		[nepal anecdote deleted]
> "EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS MY DRIVEWAY"
		[personal anecdote deleted]
> I would, as a generalisation, (and I've been accused of
> that) put it down to illogical behaviour by females and in
> similar circumstances, stupidity by males. That should, as
> they say "put the cat amongst the pigeons" or start a few
> flames.

When you aim your burners at Alex (and others) at least change the
subject line.
-- 
Robert Bayn                  o                  Welcome to Cache Valley; where
Office of Computer Services  \__^\=*           stupidity does not discriminate
Utah State University      (O)""""o           by sex or mode of transportation.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:36:41 GMT

awilliam@qucis.queensu.ca (Majik) writes:
>I do think that you are nuts. There are times (emergencies.. illness etc) when
>a driver's license is essential. I do not think that you are nuts for not 
>driving every day.. or even for discouraging others.. but to purposfully 
>limit your options?? 

So you're telling me that I should spend ~$500 for a piece of ID that I would
only use to get into bars occasionally? I don't have a car, I can't afford a
car, I have no where to park my car even if I had one. I also have no on who
would lend me their car (my father? HA!) I'd rather spend that $500 on
something else. I can't even rent a car for something like 3 years after
getting my license, and how on earth am I going to practice in the meantime?? 

(the ~$500 being of course for driving lessons, etc)

Gaea
From: severn@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Results of Need Help, Deraileur Problem
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:08:11 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

Thanks to all who sent/posted replies to my deraileur (sp?) problems, though
there weren't as many as I expected. No offense, though, I guess the TdF is
everyone's topic of interest. Mine too!

I managed to determine the root cause of the problem, which I'll explain but I
would like to give everyone some feedback on what I found.

1. Bullseye pulleys _DO_ spin easier than the stock pulleys on the newest
Shimano Ultegra, so the comment about stock pulleys being of much better design
is NOT true.

2. Bulleseye cycling can be very friendly and helpful if you go to the trouble
to track them down. After not getting any satisfactory answers from the net (no
offense to those who replied) I called information and asked for a 800 number
for Bullseye. I spoke with someone at the shop who asked me to call back in
about 40 min and ask for "Roger" the owner. When I finally got in touch with
him he told me that Bullseye's DO work on the Shimano Ultegra Index system. I
put one washer/spacer (they come with the pulleys) on each side (cause thats
all that would fit) as "Roger" suggested. He advised me to let the system
"wear" a little before I gave up entirely.

3. I asked "Roger", since I had him on the phone, should the deraileur cage,
when viewed from the rear of the bicycle, be perpendicular to the ground. YES!!
THIS WAS THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM. I mention this because even though it
was not his problem or his area, "Roger" was nice enough to give me the advice
I needed.

One final note: I was not very happy with the "let it wear a little" remark
however I feel, after having analyzed it, that he is in fact correct. The
Bullseye pulleys, being anodized aluminun (sp?), are harder than the stock
plastic ones which came with the deraileur and so will need to wear into the
chain a little. Also the root problem that I was having was in NO WAY the fault
of Bullseye, more so my own ignorance about frame geometry. I would like to
publicly thank Bullseye for their help! I would also like to say, and I know
this is controversial, Bullseye pulleys do work with Shimano Index Systems and
they do work as well as the stock setup.

Dave Severn
Kennedy Space Center			Better not send a dog up on the next
Florida					Shuttle Flight.
					He might stick his head out the window
					and burn up.
							- Jack Handy S.N.L.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pc@breeze.bellcore.com (Peter Clitherow)
Subject: Re: 'Orbital' gearing system?
Reply-To: pc@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore - Information Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:28:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.093448.18556@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.122255.22537@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:
|> >centripetal force exerted by the chain, so the cogs move in and out
|> >automatically to maintain the same torque on the crank. I suppose just

|> All the ideas I've seen on these lines suffer from one major flaw.
|> There are times when you not only want, but NEED, to be able to push

if you floor the pedal in aan automatic car, it will drop down in gear so 
you can accelerate quickly.  perhaps some form of hysteresis on the torque
sensor could arrange something similar for a bike?

peter clitherow, pc@bellcore.com, (201) 829-5162, DQID: H07692
bellcore, 445 south street, room 2f-085, morristown, nj 07962
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Reorganization: voting suggestion
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:56:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

==================================================================
==   I have voted all-no.   Please consider my reasoning:       ==
==================================================================

I object to maintaining "bicycles" as opposed to changing to "bicycle"

Voting is explicitly on the reorganization "AS PROPOSED"

The need for reorganization is obvious to me.

Once reorganized *as proposed*, we would be stuck essentially forever

If this reorganization fails ( I can only hope ) then it will be only
a short time before another proposal will come up.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
please, no flames - I have expressed my opinion, you may act on yours.
If you don't like what I say, vote in opposition to it.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:27:49 GMT

ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>Great race, but the TV coverage almost made me toss my cookies.  It

It was better coverage than the US Networks have done on any other
bike race this year.  Some of the camera angles were very good, & the
profile of Ms. Longo was interesting -- it made her sound like the
McEnroe of cycling.  It added up to more than you'd see if you were
watching it in person.

I would rather have seen a profile of the other women on the US team,
or better yet Kathy Watt, than of the over-cosmeticked Penthouse
poster girl Dutch cyclist.  But then, you gotta keep them red-necked
pickup-driving beer-pounding massive-hairy-bellied tv watcher couch
spuds glued to their tv's!

The networks will never air any of the shows *we* would want to watch
'til we start watching, & we won't watch 'til those shows are aired.
That's the American business ethic.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
From: severn@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mounting Vetta C-20
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:53:23 GMT
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

In article <1992Jul24.142710.10178@eng.umd.edu>, naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
 writes:
> 
> Hi, I just bought a Vetta C-20 for my Cannondale R-400.
> Boy! what a pain in a butt it was to install it.
> The major obstacle was getting the sensor and the magnet close enough to each other.
> The R-400 has a weird chain stay shape and made it extremely difficult to get
> a perfect alignment.
Tell me about it, I have TREK with normal chainstays and it was still nearly
impossible. The cadence sensor was even worse!
> 
> But what made it a real pain was trying to figure out which rubber shims to use.
>...
> I think I spent about 30 min trying to figure
> out which shims to use.
> 
> In the end I didn't use any of them.
Same here! 
> So here's a question for those people who have computers on the bike, 
> especially the C-20. Do you think it will be OK w/out the shims?
> Has anyone else had the same kind of difficulties installing these things?
> Naru Takashima
I haven't had any problems on mine without the shims but I do have to wonder
how much thought went into the design of the mounting brakets for the speed and
cadence pickups. What a mess! I kinda wish I had bought some other brand after
I saw what the installation looked like on my bike. Very messy!
I would also be interested to know if anyone else has found a better solution
to this install.

Dave Severn                         |     Leave the politics behind boys,
                                    |     Their not working anyway!
Kennedy Space Center                |                                   - Toto
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss)
Subject: Re: Where is Spike Bike?
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:10:08 GMT

Oh yes, bring back Spike Bike!  By far the best prose to
ever grace this newsgroup.

Spike, where are you?  We love you, Spike!

Longingly,
Kat
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Date: 23 Jul 1992 21:13:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <9207230733.AA21600@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>John Black writes:
>
>> Unfortunately, a lot of these numbers don't really give a true feeling for the
>> climb since, for example, a climb could be 10% for 10km and then 2% for 10km
>> and I would list it as "6% for 20km" which completely loses the killer 10km 10
>> section in the numbers.  But I thought it contained some useful information
>> nonetheless, so I decided to post it.
>
>This is as bad as repeating a rumor you know to be without foundation, the
>information is at least as bad as your example.  The Galibier should show
>a final ascent of 13% on the south and 8% on the north where it masquerades
>as the Telegraph for half of its climb.  The same is true of nearly all of
>the climbs listed.  I have not experienced them all but the ones I have
>ridden are completely misleading from this table.
>
>Classic in this respect is Sonora Pass in California that is extremely steep
>with 20% grades but also an approach of 100 miles from Sonora (city) which
>when averaged results in 7400 ft in 1000 miles.  A real pussycat of a ride
>when seen that way.  Sonora is truly the beginning of the climb with many
>false summits and valleys on the way to the 9600 ft summit.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Lighten up Jobst!  John was just trying to give netters some information
about the climbs in the Tour de France(TIOOYK) and clearly stated his
shortcomings and apprehensions up front.  I, too, have ridden many
of the climbs on John's list and did not have any problems with what
was stated.

You on the otherhand should be ashamed for misquoting mileage figures
for a climb you have done so often!!!  The steep section on the west
side of Sonora Pass starts roughly 60 miles from the town of Sonora
(not 100 miles as you stated).  I have always heard 17% for the grade
of the Rock Window and Golden Staircase sections, I guess last winter
was unkind to the road and it has risen 3% in some sections.

Bruce

ps - I thought John's posting was valuable, I have ridden many of the
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.164056.1984@nas.nasa.gov> border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border) writes:
>Has anybody (motorcycle groups?) actually tried to push through a mandatory 
>helmet law for automobile drivers/occupants?-   Something which parallels
>existing/proposed motorcycle/bicycle legislation as closely as possible?

No, because then they might make us put seat belts on our motorcycles!

-- 
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net," | DoD #1966	
	Matthew 13:47                              | 81 Honda CB400T Hawk
From: hairless@buitc.bu.edu (Bill Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: headset problems
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:45:28 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: hairless@buitc.bu.edu


I have been trying to install a new headset on my old clunker
and have had a problem trying to get the new race onto my fork.
From what I have heard and read, all you need to do is gently
tap the race onto the fork but this isn't working for me as I 
need to really whack it to get any part of it to stay on the 
steerer tube. I tried banging on it with a rubber mallet but
the race won't sit on the fork evenly.  

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Bill
From: dd3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Danny R Dalal)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Fighting Rust
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:14:15 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	I  just bought my Specialized Rockhopper Comp ($525)and am VERY happy with it.
	It's charcoal.  I love it!  Then I went for some serious moutain
biking, and it got all dirty  (too bad).    So,  my question to the more
experienced is this:
How do I go about keeping my components (Deore LX/DX) from rusting and
my frame as well?  I rinsed the bike down well and dried everything I
could with a towel.  But the next day I found a tiny bit of rust (on the
front sprokets, in a allen-wrench type bolt).  I watnt his bike for a
long time and don't want 
any rust (or very minimal rust).  I also would like to know how to keep my
cahin healthy (right now there's mud still in it, you can hear it).

	Well, I know I may be a bit over concerned.  My bike will get dirty 
and old looking and rusty.. eventually.  I just want to prolong it's
"new-looking" life.


Thanks in advance,

___Dan
From: GKLEIN@MITRE.ORG (Gary L. Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning Water Bottles
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:57:14 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

I prefer hydrogen peroxide (as sold in markets and pharmacies in weak 
(3%?) solution as an antiseptic cleanser).  It is not as toxic as chlorine 
(you can use it as a mouthwash afterall), it does the job, and it doesn't 
leave that chlorine smell.