From: snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.conspiracy
Subject: NASA Coverup
Keywords: More sources for 43,000 mile figure
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 17:18:00 PST
Reply-To: snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us


     I've been getting a lot of E-mail flak about my NASA coverup  postings.
   My  own time schedule does not allow me to answer all these individually,
   so I'll try to deal with the more typical objections herein.

     Generally the objections fall into seven categories:

   1. I'm confusing the Neutral point with Lagrange points or  other  points
     along a spacecraft's trajectory.

   2. The figures given by Time or Von Braun are typos or mistakes.

   3. The figures given by Time or Von Braun confuse miles with kilometers.

   4. The  explanation  for  the  apparent  lack  of jumping ability of the
     astronauts is that the suits were as heavy  as  claimed  ,  and  simple
     judicious caution on their part prevented more spectacular leaping.

  {I  am willing to concede this point due to lack of DIRECT evidence to the
   contrary, while  I  still  would  like  to  give  further  circumstantial
   evidence that indicates that the issue is ,at least , unresolved.}


   5. Known positions of the earth-moon barycenter preclude the mass of the
     moon from being higher than claimed therefore it's presumed gravity  is
     fixed at 1/6.

   6.  NASA  could  not  fake  the  moon  landings  and  get  away  with it.
       (Actually, I do not claim that  the  Moon  Landings  were  faked-just
       that the technology used to accomplish them is  different  than  that
       alleged publicly)

   7.   I ,snarfy , have an impolite, beligerent,  obnoxious  and  generally
     bad attitude, and my error in transposing terms in the equation 180/6 =
     30 indicates that I am also stupid  and  unqualified  to  address  this
     newsgroup.

    I  am  willing to cop to my attitude problems ,point # 7. I'm working on
   my character defects , and will try to tone it down in  future  postings.
   But  please  don't push me with taunts or ridicule. On my part then there
   will be no need to "bite back". As I said earlier ,I'm a sensitive guy. I
   make mistakes , like everybody else. But I'm not stupid .  I pay  for  my
   own  access  to  this newsgroup ,and therefore constitutionally I can say
   whatever I want . Invoke your Kill file if you want to tune me out.

                  Ok, back to work:

   Let me here define "Neutral Point" :

   The  neutral  point  is  that  point  in a lunar spacecraft's trajectory,
   measured by the straight line distance from the moon's center  in  miles,
   where the force of gravitational influence in the direction of the moon ,
   measured  in  pounds of "pull" on the spacecraft,is equal to the force of
   influence toward the direction of the earth, also measured in  pounds  of
   "pull".

   I believe that the direct quotation from the July 25,1969  Time  magazine
   article would be helpful here:

   "At  a  point 43,495 from the moon, lunar gravity exerted a force [on the
   spacecraft] equal to the gravity of the Earth , then some  200,000  miles
   distant."

   I would conclude from the inclusion of the distance remaining  to  go  to
   the  moon (200,000 miles) that the author knew exactly which units he was
   talking about .

   I did a search for other sources which would help us analyse just what is
   meant by " neutral point" , and where  it  might  be  located  along  the
   flight path of the Apollo .

   In "Project Apollo: Man to the Moon" by Thomas J. Alexander  (Harper  and
   Row , 1964 ) ,the author states:

   "At  a  point  some  40,000 miles from the Moon ,when the craft is poking
   along at about 2000 mph, it crosses THE LINE  where  the  moon's  gravity
   exceeds  that  of  the  earth . That's the second part of the trjectory."
   (caps mine).

   In  Buzz  Aldrin's  book, "Men From Earth" (1989)  , the author states on
   page 231:

   "After two full days into the mission we were 150,000  miles  from  earth
   and   our  speed  was  less  than  3000  miles  an  hour.  The  moon  was
   approximately 30 hours and 90,000  miles distant."

   Here we have a "horse's mouth" space jockey's description of  his  ship's
   situation well before reaching either of two postulated neutral points.

    If  we  rule out the possibility that Apollo 11 was undergoing some kind
   of  continuous  thrusting  which  would  keep  this  3000  mph   velocity
   constant,we  are then left with the conclusion that the neutral point was
   approximately 1/2 way between his position at  that  time  and  the  moon
   which  was  90,000  miles  away.  Here again we arrive at a Neutral point
   figure close to the 43,595 miles AS SPECIFIED BY TIME , VON BRAUN  ,  and
   ALEXANDER.

    I  repeat  again  this  is  data  from direct experimental evidence (the
   actual moon flights) that  the  moon's  gravity  cannot  be  1/6  if  one
   calculates the relative pulls of the earth and moon based on the proven
   accurate  inverse square law . In pre - Apollo Astronomy , it is admitted
   that the exact determination of the moon's mass , therefore the  position
   of  the  neutral  point  could  not  be determined unless one was able to
   observe the actual trajectories of lunar spacecraft.

        to be continued..............

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From: andy@osea.demon.co.uk (Andrew Haveland-Robinson)