From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:  Yes votes >= 200+2*No Votes
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:16:36 GMT
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

In article <id.QZTV.TPD@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> I have received a copy, and I'm going to analyse it on the basis of my
> proposal to see what the effects would be. I can see two or three votes
> that would have failed under it, and there may be others that would pass.

OK, here's the result:

My proposal has significantly different results than simply increasing
the surplus of YES>NO votes to 200: it had less impact on the outcome, and
I think that the votes that passed by my criteria but failed by the 200
surplus criteria tended to be low noise, high quality groups with little
opposition. I think such groups SHOULD pass.

A few votes that passed by the 200 vote criteria failed mine.

Some of the reorgs would have come out differently. Why was there such
opposition to rec.games.frp.misc, anyone know?

I'd like to add some of the groups that failed under the current system
so I could see if any of them would pass. Anyone keeping those statistics?

The columns:

	Std 100		Standard rules, 100 YES>NO, 3:2 YES/NO ratio
	Std 200		Standard rules, 200 YES>NO, 3:2 YES/NO ratio

	 50 100		Max 50 NO votes, min 100 YES votes.
	100 100		Max 100 NO votes, min 100 YES votes.
	100 200		Max 100 NO votes, min 200 YES votes.

                                                  Std Std   50 100 100
Group                                    Yes  No  100 200  100 100 200
comp.sys.unisys                          199  10  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.lang.tcl                            223  11  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.lang.verilog                        332   9  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.space.news                           279   8  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.pen                             160  15  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.text.interleaf                      182  13  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.games.cyber                          170  63  Yes  No   No Yes  No
comp.internet.library                    366  10  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.sun.admin                       722  29  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.sun.announce                    713  30  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.sun.apps                        713  34  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.sun.hardware                    719  24  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.sun.misc                        692  47  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.sun.wanted                      662  68  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.arts.startrek.current                882 118  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.arts.startrek.fandom                 861 117  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.arts.startrek.misc                   870 121  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.arts.startrek.tech                   906 102  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.music.indian.classical               223  48  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.music.indian.misc                    170  60  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.sport.cricket.scores                 446  37  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.sport.hockey.field                   157  30  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.dcom.lans.ethernet                  194  18  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.dcom.lans.fddi                      193  13  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.dcom.lans.misc                      174  26  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.skate                                183  28  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.databases.oracle                    283  22  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.vxworks                          295  17  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.windows.x.pex                       200  11  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.motorcycles.dirt                     182  71  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.motorcycles.racing                   180  76  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.antiques                             146  16  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.sys.mac.databases                   167  23  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.astro.hubble                         210  19  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
sci.engr.biomed                          212  13  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.models.railroad                      255 111  Yes  No   No  No  No
comp.databases.ingres                    370  20  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.mentor                          550  24  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.materials                            202   5  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
comp.apps.spreadsheets                   147  24  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.infosystems.gis                     298  12  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.humor.oracle                         530  26  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.humor.oracle.d                       487  67  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
comp.unix.bsd                            370  27  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.org.mensa                            308 139  Yes  No   No  No  No
comp.programming                         403  47  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.video.production                     212  11  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.org.mensa                            308 139  Yes  No   No  No  No
rec.games.xtank.play                     181  36  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.games.xtank.programmer               182  36  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.music.phish                          566 125  Yes Yes   No  No  No
sci.engr.civil                           131  11  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.astro.fits                           311  14  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.msdos.pcgeos                     161  20  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.audio.pro                            200  53  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
sci.comp-aided                           245  20  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.scouting                             245  34  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.sport.baseball.college               128  25  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.os.linux                            858   5  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.games.netrek                         191  26  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.travel.air                           156  50  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.arts.comics.strips                   251  21  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.windows.ms                          202  25  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.arts.sf.starwars                     383  77  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
comp.arch.storage                        357  11  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.databases.theory                    208  14  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.music.info                           214  14  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.music.marketplace                    206  22  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
comp.society.privacy                     189  16  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.sys.next.advocacy                   368  99  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
comp.sys.next.hardware                   411  65  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
comp.sys.next.marketplace                390  81  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
comp.sys.next.software                   367 104  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.sport.paintball                      195  43  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.puzzles.crosswords                   231  27  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.systems                              168  19  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.bbs.waffle                          220  32  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.sport.football.australian            247  28  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.infosystems.wais                    291   4  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.sport.swimming                       197  28  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.classics                             159  34  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.os.os2.advocacy                     208  29  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.os2.networking                   218  17  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.radio.broadcasting                   234  34  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.dcom.cell-relay                     220  11  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy              284  28  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy              284  28  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.announce              285  27  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.announce              285  27  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.apps                  284  28  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.apps                  284  28  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.misc                  276  36  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc       229  72  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools      239  64  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32      224  73  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
comp.os.ms-windows.setup                 263  46  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.windows.x.apps                      235  22  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games                    516  52  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.sport.olympics                       149  37  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.dcom.isdn                           330   9  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.dcom.servers                        132  19  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.security.misc                       276  23  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.games.frp.advocacy                   329 100  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.games.frp.announce                   366  72  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.games.frp.archives                   357  69  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.games.frp.dnd                        357  84  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.games.frp.marketplace                348  76  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.games.frp.misc                       328 103  Yes Yes   No  No  No
sci.anthropology                         184  10  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.cad.cadence                         482  35  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.arts.manga                           513 226  Yes Yes   No  No  No
comp.graphics.explorer                   322  13  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.windows.x.intrinsics                198  21  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.games.mud.admin                      191  69  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.games.mud.announce                   234  43  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.games.mud.diku                       193  60  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.games.mud.misc                       202  51  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
rec.games.mud.tiny                       189  61  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.sport.baseball.fantasy               149  45  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.engr.mech                            259  13  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.bbs.misc                            150  24  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.compression.research                312  10  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard                395  19  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.cognitive                            447  13  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.research.careers                     323  14  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
misc.invest.real-estate                  148  26  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.arts.comics.info                     223  65  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
rec.arts.comics.misc                     192  92  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.arts.comics.xbooks                   196  81  Yes  No   No Yes  No
talk.politics.china                      165  24  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.cryonics                             205  58  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
sci.cryonics                             205  58  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
comp.windows.ms                          202  25  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
sci.image.processing                    1158  36  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.lang.logo                           243   7  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.acorn.advocacy                  151  50  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.sys.acorn.announce                  189  24  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.sys.acorn.tech                      174  32  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
misc.jobs.offered.entry                  245  97  Yes  No   No Yes Yes
rec.food.historic                        250  37  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.food.sourdough                       232  48  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.outdoors.fishing                     238  29  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.infosystems.gopher                  305   2  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.music.compose                        197  17  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.org.eff.news                        181   0  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.org.eff.talk                        177   2  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
news.admin.misc                          278  25  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
news.admin.policy                        290  21  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
news.admin.technical                     284  25  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.databases.sybase                    202  13  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
comp.society.cu-digest                   247  13  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.software.licensing                  140  28  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
comp.windows.garnet                      220  18  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.med.occupational                     121   5  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.bicycles.marketplace                 429 138  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.bicycles.misc                        439 128  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.bicycles.racing                      436 131  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.bicycles.rides                       417 145  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.bicycles.soc                         423 142  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.bicycles.tech                        429 137  Yes Yes   No  No  No
rec.motorcycles.harley                   362  47  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
sci.med.nutrition                        270  23  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sources.testers                     120  17  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.heraldry                             153  32  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.heraldry                             153  32  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.engr.control                         390  12  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.graphics.animation                  249   6  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
comp.sys.mac.advocacy                    261 106  Yes  No   No  No  No
sci.fractals                             295  20  Yes Yes  Yes Yes Yes
rec.games.int-fiction                    159  30  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.music.classical.guitar               208  13  Yes  No  Yes Yes Yes
rec.games.abstract                       287  64  Yes Yes   No Yes Yes
rec.music.makers.bass                    181  44  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.music.makers.guitar                  196  43  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature        172  57  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.music.makers.synth                   160  59  Yes  No   No Yes  No
rec.travel.marketplace                   140  39  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
sci.aeronautics.airliners                168  26  Yes  No  Yes Yes  No
TOTAL                                             178  92  127 160 102
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