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From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Handbook Information
Date: 22 Nov 1992 21:12:52 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <69556@cup.portal.com> Alex_-_Hwang@cup.portal.com writes:
)You are better off waiting for the "palmtop orgy" to finish at the COMDEX
)show. C&T 8680 is capable running  at 14MHz.  Gateway is short changing
)people by offering 8MHz system. The battery life is as short, if not worse,
)than the new notebooks or 386 SL subnotebooks. And for $1295, you can
)almost afford a 386 notebook.
)
)Alex Hwang
)ps: I am definitly biased; my company builds and sells 8680 based palmtops.


	Fine. Could you please point to subnotebook that is better than the
Gateway, that weighs less than 3 lbs, has a backlit graphics LCD, better
battery life, typeable keyboard no smaller than the Gateway, and a processor
faster than the Gateway, preferably one that can run Windows 3.1 ?
From: akcs.wiley@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Abbott)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:40:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Seattle BBS through Telnet
Message-ID: <2b1154ef.5003.2comp.sys.handhelds.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Keywords: seattle bbs

OK, I was told how to do this by a caller on my BBS from Isarel who was
using the said method. I had no idea it was considered rude and adversely
affected the U. If I did know that his call was raising my tuition, I
would have hung up on him. He gave me no indication that what he was
doing was wrong and I'm mad as h*ll.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: RE: hp48sx carry cases
From: PERAINO@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:40:00 EST
Return-path: <PERAINO@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
To: handhelds <handhelds@gac.edu>

Speaking of carrying cases for the hp48, I'm looking for a leather one, like
the nice leather model hp had for the hp28. Anyone know if that type of
case is available? I used to be on the educalc mailing list for their
catalog, but for some reason I got dropped. Thanks.

peraino@gmuvax.gmu.edu
From: tslopez@mcs.Drexel.edu (Scott Lopez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: HP28S PW Generator
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:12:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University


Ok, this is my first post so go easy on me.
Anyway, I frequent BBS's in the area, and like a good user use a random
password on them. Well I got tired of making up new ones (my head hurts)
so I wrote up this little program on my HP28s to make it think for me.
You can try it if you like, modify it, whatever. It currently will generate
a 7 character password consisting of uppercase letters and numbers.
Totally random (as random as the HP is). To get a new one, just press a
key. Works fine, could be adjusted for length with a little modification.
Enjoy...

'Pass'   [8D8B]                 : My program name and checksum
<< RAND RDZ                     : Randomize the random seed
   1 3 FOR i                    : Loop to generate pairs of characters
    RAND 25 * IP 65 + CHR       : Generate a random uppercase letter
    RAND 9 * IP ->STR +         : Generate a random number & convert to string
   NEXT                         : Combine the pair and next iteration
   RAND 25 + IP 65 + CHR        : Generate last random letter
   + + +                        : Combine all charcters into 7 char password
>>

Hope you like it, it's not much. But it does the trick. Any questions,
comments, modifications are welcome!

Scott Lopez

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                                |      All unopened mail will be opened.
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: why is chat never availlabk [Dle?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:40:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2b07f826.4973.3comp.sys.handhelds.1

Please use conferences local to the HP BBS for discussions on HP BBS
specific topics.  comp.sys.handhelds is an internationally distributed
news group viewed by MANY people who don't have any interest in the
"chat" mode on the HP BBS.  You will get a better response to your BBS
questions if you stick to local BBS conferences.

Thanks
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:24:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Iterations on HP-48? Mail-order places?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds

In comp.sys.handhelds, akcs.tsblue@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Thomas Stewart Blue) writes:

> 
> Iterations.............I believe not? ...
> ...  Say I am analyzing pipe flow. [parameters given] -- a basic fluid 
> mechanics problem. However, the solution is
> necessarily an iterative, that is TRIAL & ERROR, procedure. 

Not any more.  HP's SOLVER is versatile enough that the trial-and-error is
no longer necessary.  All you have to do ( riiiiiiight...) is find a way to
express the problem in terms of a single equation.  Numerical approximations
for Reynolds number, for instance, abound in the literature, and they can be
built into your equation.  You can have the unknown variable appear on both 
sides of the '=' sign, even multiple times.

When you study Numerical Analysis, the prof teaches you how to reorder your
equation so that iteration always converges to a solution.  The HP figures
out all of that internally.

The SOLVER routines in the 48 are so versatile and so powerful that you could
even consider the SOLVER to be a second built-in programming language.  Once
you learn to use the solver effectively, you will never go back to RPL for
normal plug-and-chug solutions.

Now, the HP Solve Equation Library card contains 2 items that may be of 
interest to you:  one is MES, the Multiple Equation Solver.  If you can't 
organize your problem into one equation, then perhaps 2 or 3 (or more...) will
do.  The MES cycles through all the equations until a solution is reached.
This is actually an iterative procedure.  I don't know if MES reorders the
equations to guarantee a converging solution or not, perhaps someone from
HP can answer.  The second item is a library of fluid flow equations, 
including the most accurate numerical Reynolds number calculation as of ...
umm ... August 1988? '89? ... I don't remember.  But it's definitely worth
looking into.  Several ChemE's and other fluidheads contributed to that
part of the card.

> It may be
> argued that the basis for the procedure may stem from Newton's method of
> approximation but that is only a basis for the procedure. An iterative
> process must be followed outside of such a specific view to obtain the
> result. Therefore, when I say that the hp48 series does not do iterations
> I am refering to a procedural type of multiple equation dependent problem
> and corresponding solution method, that being the most common type.

Again, the MES on the Equation Library card does what you want, but I would 
suspect that you won't even need it, if you can figure out how to get the 
SOLVER to do it all at once.


Regards
Ray Depew
Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
Not an official spokesman for HP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Handbook Information
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:14:21 GMT

In article <69556@cup.portal.com> Alex_-_Hwang@cup.portal.com writes:
> ...for $1295, you can almost afford a 386 notebook.

Full-up 386sx notebooks retail here (Wash, DC area)
over the counter for $999.95.

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: etnrwi@hisoy2.etn.ericsson.se (Raymond A. Wiker (9482))
Subject: HP41 card reader wanted
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:39:26 GMT


	One of my fellow HP41 owners expressed a certain amount of
dismay when he heard that I had just bought a 41CV with card reader
for appx $20... especially since he himself wants a card reader. So,
if anyone out there in netland has a card reader in good condition,
you could try sending e-mail to etnbjkt@etn.ericsson.se.

	For my own part I am interested in magnetic cards for the
HP41, the "Time" module and possibly also other stuff (I have heard
about the "PPC" and "Advantage" modules, but don't know anything about
them - does anybody have information to share???)

	//Raymond.
--
---
Raymond Wiker / etnrwi@etn.ericsson.se / ETN.ETNRWI
C/o Ericsson A/S, Boks 44, 4817 HIS, NORWAY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: dasmus@nyx.cs.du.edu (Donald R. Asmus)
Subject: HP 95LX For Sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:23:36 GMT

For Sale

  HP 95LX - originally a 512K upgraded to 1M.
  HP 82241A AC Adapter

  Also a Mac serial cable & MacLinkPlus for the 95LX available.

Will ship UPS COD unless you send a check first.

Asking $425 - any reasonable offer considered.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.handhelds:2424 comp.sys.palmtops:3672
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP 95LX
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:23:45 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <mjohnson-171192100320@129.197.97.63> mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com (Mark E. Johnson) writes:
>Is anyone familiar with the HP 95LX, a DOS palmtop?

Sure, lots of 95 owners read and post to comp.sys.palmtops.  I'm
crossposting and setting followups to there.

>My wife won one in a drawing, and we're figuring out what to do with it. HP
>sells a "Connectivity Pack" that allows communication (i.e., file
>transfers) with a desktop PCs. The best price we found was $90. It looks to
>me like it might only be a 9-to-25 pin null modem cable and software to do

The transfer software is DCS95 which is a fairly nice (so I've heard)
serial port drive networking package.  It also comes with APP95 which
are all the HP applications (except 123) for ordinary MS-DOS machines.

>the transfer. If that's true, we can buy the cable alone for $6, and I

Where can you get the cable for $6?  The cheapest I've seen is about
$24, or $12 for a cable with bare wires at the other end at EduCALC.

>wonder if there is some way to use an existing program on my PC. I think
>some shareware comm programs support null modem connections, but only if
>both computers run the software. Is there a way to do it just from the PC
>side?

It would be difficult for any communications software to NOT support
null modem connections.  Speeds over 19.2Kbps are less common however.
I currently use just plain MS-Kermit on my laptop, and the built in
Kermit in the 95.  At some point I may use something faster like zip.
You could probably use any software you want that supports either
kermit or xmodem protocols as both are built into the 95.

>The palmtop also has a PCMIA (I forgot a letter somewhere) port, which we
>are thinking of using for an additional memory card. Are these ports
>standard? That is, would we be able to buy any PCMIA memory card, or would
>it have to be the one sold by HP?

PCMCIA 1.0, which the 95 has, is fairly well standardized.  Any SRAM
card up to 2MB should work on the 95.  Note that HP writes in the
manual that non-HP cards may cause greater battery drain.
Flash EPROM cards can be read but not written or erased in the 95.
There have been several postings on sources of PCMCIA cards in
comp.sys.palmtops.  They are available via anonymous ftp to
csd4.csd.uwm.edu:/pub/Palmtop/pcmcia.news.  You can also get postings
on various other palmtop topics in the same directory.

>Thanks!
You're welcome

>P.S. Is there a FAQ list for this sort of thing?

Yes, you can get it via anonymous ftp to eddie.mit.edu:/distrib/hp95lx.
If you can't FTP I can mail or post it.
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<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
From: akcs.utherm@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Hermoso)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:40:04 GMT
Subject: where to buy Apple cheap?
Message-ID: <2b09792c.4994comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds

Is there anyone know where to buy the new Apple computers cheap?
through the mail order or university computer store?
which university offers the cheapest price?
If you know please reply my message, thanks!
my address is g373lopo@server.sid.cquest.utoronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com (Mark E. Johnson)
Subject: HP 95LX
Followup-To: comp.sys.handhelds
Organization: Lockheed, USC, and UT-Austin
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:07:04 GMT

Is anyone familiar with the HP 95LX, a DOS palmtop?

My wife won one in a drawing, and we're figuring out what to do with it. HP
sells a "Connectivity Pack" that allows communication (i.e., file
transfers) with a desktop PCs. The best price we found was $90. It looks to
me like it might only be a 9-to-25 pin null modem cable and software to do
the transfer. If that's true, we can buy the cable alone for $6, and I
wonder if there is some way to use an existing program on my PC. I think
some shareware comm programs support null modem connections, but only if
both computers run the software. Is there a way to do it just from the PC
side?

The palmtop also has a PCMIA (I forgot a letter somewhere) port, which we
are thinking of using for an additional memory card. Are these ports
standard? That is, would we be able to buy any PCMIA memory card, or would
it have to be the one sold by HP?

Thanks!

P.S. Is there a FAQ list for this sort of thing?

______________________________________________________________________________
-Mark Johnson                             
mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com
From: remyh@cco.caltech.edu (Remy Adam Hathaway)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: HP BBS Telephone number - What is it?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:56:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: coil.caltech.edu

The title pretty much says it all, does domebody have this info??

-- 
|       Remy A. Hathaway            |        "If you were right,              |
|       Goat Dancer Extraordinaire  |         I'd agree with you."            |
|       remyh@cco.caltech.edu       |        "Everbody has a right to         |
|       remy@3cpu.rain.com          |         an opinion.  Mine."             |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Handbook Information
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:03:32 GMT

In article <1eot4kINN54v@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o) writes:
>In article <69556@cup.portal.com> Alex_-_Hwang@cup.portal.com writes:
>)You are better off waiting for the "palmtop orgy" to finish at the COMDEX
>)show. C&T 8680 is capable running  at 14MHz.  Gateway is short changing
>)people by offering 8MHz system. The battery life is as short, if not worse,
>)than the new notebooks or 386 SL subnotebooks. And for $1295, you can
>)almost afford a 386 notebook.
>)
>)Alex Hwang
>)ps: I am definitly biased; my company builds and sells 8680 based palmtops.
>
>
>	Fine. Could you please point to subnotebook that is better than the
>Gateway, that weighs less than 3 lbs, has a backlit graphics LCD, better
>battery life, typeable keyboard no smaller than the Gateway, and a processor
>faster than the Gateway, preferably one that can run Windows 3.1 ?

The only one I know of is...

Bicom B260i

2.2 lb
8.78x6.36x1.22
16 Mhz AMD 80286LX Processor
5 AA NiMH batteries, 4 Hrs operation
60 MB Hard Drive
2MB RAM
PCMI 2.0/JEIDA standard port
Double Scan 640x400
64 Key Keyboard
1 parallel/1 serial port
External FDD port for floppy drive
DR-DOS 6.0, file transfer software & serial download cable
Built in Personal Information Management Software
Built in programmable power management software
Universal AC/DC adapter

$1250


From ABC Computer
2531 237th Street, Suite 122
Torrence CA 90505

1-800-336-2280

FAX 310-325-6369


From the back pages of BYTE, looks pretty nice.


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: jeremy@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU ((-| Jeremy |-) Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: One-Hand Helds
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:33:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov20.193340.15769
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: One-Hand Helds...
Keywords: portable computer keyboard for use with one hand
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov12.074521.14888@primerd.prime.com> jasonp@sunbabe.Prime.COM (Jason Pascucci) writes:
>Is anybody doing/working on a single-handed data entry/retrieval system?
>
>--
>Jason R. Pascucci
>jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Gary Frieddman posted info on his DataEgg a while back.  Here is 
a copy of a note I emailed to someone a while back.  There is an article
in the current issue of NASA Tech Briefs (Nov 92, vol16 #11 p36)
entitled `Portable Computer Keyboard for Use With One Hand'.
 
   The Data Egg is a handheld object with six buttons; one for each finger
and two at the thumb.  It has 32k memory and a serial port.
Its design is to take notes while doing just about anything, using the 
chording keyboard, and then download and edit on the desktop later.  
It can also be used AS a keyboard in place of a regular one for 
say bedridden folks that have limited movement.
 
   A picture of it appears in the update notice of the Technology 2000
conference, where I assume it will be on display.  This update is also
included in the Oct 92 issue (vol16 #10 p49) of NASA Tech Briefs.
(Technology 2000 is Dec 3-5, 1992 Baltimore Hyatt Hotel).
 
   It was invented by Gary Friedman of JPL.  He has made prototypes but I 
don't think it is on the market yet.  I imagine that he is showing it hoping 
to find support and manufacturers.  He presented a talk and slide show at the 
HP Handheld User's Conference, Aug 1991 in Corvallis Oregon, and in fact
won best speaker award.  He showed lots of pictures of developments, both
electronic and ergonomic.  The conference proceeding may be available from
Richard Nelson at EduCalc (714) 582-2637.  Gary has written some blurb on
it and made it available via anonymous ftp devvax.jpl.nasa.gov pub/EggandI

-- 
jeremy@atlantis.cs.orst.edu (Jeremy |-) Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: diamant@fc.sde.hp.com (John Diamant)
Subject: Re: HP 95LX
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:23:03 GMT

Mark E. Johnson (mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com) wrote:
: It looks to me like it [ the 95LX connectivity pack ] might only be a
: 9-to-25 pin null modem cable and software to do the transfer. If that's
: true, we can buy the cable alone for $6, and I wonder if there is some
: way to use an existing program on my PC.

The connectivity pack includes a 4 pin (the serial port on the 95 is 4 pin)
to 9 pin cable and a 9 to 25 adaptor, as well as the software.  The 9 to 25
adaptor by itself is around $6 (at Radio Shack).  Oddly, if you buy the
4 to 9 pin cable from HP separately (without the connectivity pack, the 9 to
25 pin adaptor doesn't come with it and isn't available separately (but can
be obtained from Radio Shack).  You can get an adaptor kit direct from HP,
but that is a modem and a printer 9 to 25 pin adaptor, not a computer 9 to 25
pin adaptor (the difference is gender and DTE vs DCE).

The 95 comes with kermit and xmodem protocol built in so if you have either
of those available on your PC, you can get buy.  The connectivity pack
does include software to allow you to remotely mount your 95's disks as a
network disk off your PC (so you can access the files without copying them
over) as well as providing the application set from the 95 on your PC.  On
advantage of having the application set on your PC as well frequent backups
on your PC is that if your 95 is lost or stolen (or otherwise unavailable
for a period of time), you still have access to the data stored in your
backup, including the specialized applications that use non-text files for
storing their data (phone book, calculator equation solver, appointment book,
etc).

John Diamant
Software Engineering Systems Division
Hewlett Packard Co.		ARPA Internet: diamant@fc.sde.hp.com
Fort Collins, CO		UUCP:  {hpfcla,hplabs}!hpfclp!diamant

This response does not represent the official position of, or statement
by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is provided for informational
purposes only.  It is supplied without warranty of any kind.
Note: I do work for HP, but have no connection with the division that makes
the HP95LX.  My only connection is as a satisfied user.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: sykhor@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Sek Yong Khor)
Subject: Help with HPIL<->RS232 on the HP41CX
Summary: Help with interfacing
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:43:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: HPIL, RS232, HP41CX


I know, IL's been obsolete fer some time ... no `I told u so' mail please! :)

Just gotten a used HP82164A HPIL<->RS232 interface, with the intention of
storing/editing my 41CX programs on a latop (9-pin serial port).  I only
have the IL module and the Auto Start/Dup ROM.  No extended IL ROM though...
So, with the above setp-up, I have a few question for them 41 gurus in netland:

	- is all 232 lines required? or could I just use XON/XOFF?
	- Any progs for BOTH the 41CX and a MSDOS machine to do simple
	  data transfer? ... I know there's the commercially available
	  PC prog LINK Plus .. but It has to us a IL Card, I belive.

Well, if it ends up that I'll need the ext IL ROM, anyone has one and willin'
to trade (for $)?

I'm still pouring through whatever little there is in the documentation;
it's a real kludge, imho.  The next step I'd like to try is to have a
41<->48 link .. just for kicks! (and of course the prog exercise & prog Xfer for
the CV emulator card .. don't have the IR module for the 41!)

Any help/pointers/progs are greatly appreciated!


Peter Khor


From: akcs.utherm@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Hermoso)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:40:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Apple's Newton
Message-ID: <2b097734.4971.1comp.sys.handhelds.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds

If you are interested in the new, you should also lkook at the new apple
duo system.  It is faster than IIci and it gives you more mobility. check
this out.  I believe you will like it. my address is
g373lopo@server.sid.cquest.utoronto.edu
From: sjh@philabs.philips.com (Steve Herman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Accessing Citibank Direct Access with HP95
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:20:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York

Stephen Herman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: smothers@icaen.uiowa.edu (Andrew Dean Smothers)
Subject: Casio fx7700GB serial cable
Summary: info wanted on how to make Casio fx7700GB serial cable 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:52:36 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

A friend owns a Casio fx7700GB calculator.  Does anyone know how to make
a serial cable to connect the calculator to a Mac (or any PC)?  What would
this allow him to do?  The link port appears to be a phono style plug similar
to those on stereos.  I own an hp48sx and connect it to PC's often but not
the Casio's.  Does the Casio allow protocol transfers or simple ascii transfers?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!!

Andrew Smothers
The University of Iowa
smothers@icaen.uiowa.edu
smothers@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
smothers@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu