From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:29:48 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep26.232656.23607@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <KYTAN.92Sep24111927@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep22.221303.10884@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>   consider love and fundamental human decency.  Chinese-cu "love" would, in
>>   many cases, be considered child abuse in this USA.  "locking a kid in a

	I wonder which type of love is considered child abuse??  Please cite
specific examples.

>>   closet for a day, or whipping with a belt" or equivalent is considered
>>   everyday ordinarily behavior in Chinese-cu society.

	I **DO NOT** personally know of anyone who has been locked in a closet
or whipped before.  However I come to know of these two "punishments" thru
books written in the English Language, specifically those from USA and UK.  

>>   It is a perversion.  It is a perversion.

	In that case, the above would make the USA and UK culture the perverted
ones, don't you think??
>>...
>>Chinese culture tends to support the "elders are wiser and always correct"
>>mentality.  It is based on Confucianism.  This is not necessarily the best way
>>but that's the way it is.  Screaming about obliterating Chinese culture (a
>>culture that has close to 800 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at
>>best.
> 
> Let's do some word substitution.  Chinese culture <-> Nazism
> 800 million <-> 40 million.  So, in 1939, we have Mr. Tan saying,
> 
	You *DO* realise that word substitution just twist people's words
around and doesn't prove anything don't you??  Try substituting Male and Female
on the restrooms in your college or chinese-cu with japanese in your own
postings.  Of course, substituting "racist" and "Joe Dwight" might prove to be a
viable product, but we'll have to see.

>    Screaming about obliterating Nazism (a culture that has
>    close to 40 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at best.
> 
> Yes.  That would be the sort of stuff that a Chinese-cu would say.
> I suspect that the victims of Nazism think differently as do victims
> of Chinese-cu culture.

	Ah, it's very obvious that you have not fulfilled your general
education requirements yet.  Tsk tsk tsk.  Any good basic sociological or basic
psychological text books would have had a section on Nazism.  Not the practise
per se, but more of a discussion on how people can be made to do certain things
because "my boss asked me to" (badly paraphrased, btw).  Seems that the foot
soldiers and ordinary citizens who did such dastardly stuff would justify it by
saying "my superiors made me do it." and "I will be shot if I don't do it." 
Most humans have this "self above others" instinct.  Otherwise, there wouldn't
be any capitalism.
	Anyway, my point is that your 40 million Nazis is way off mark.  And
Mr. Tan's 800 million figure is way off mark too.  I think you would say most
of the people living in China would be chinese-cu, right?  I mean the
Chinese-ge who were born and bred there.  Well, the population of China is
something like 1.1 or 1.2 billion, if I am not mistaken.  You are talking about
a fifth of the world's population here.  Not the easiest thing in the world to 
obliterate.  Besides, what's this I hear about Neo-Nazism??  ||If you americans
can't even properly destroy 40 million people, what hope do you have against
800 million people??  Such idealists <hahahahaha>||  (The part in enclosed in
"||" is a sarcastic remark, just in case you don't get it!) 

> By the way, being right is not a popularity contest.  (not that a
> Chinese-cu or a Nazi could understand....)

	That is one of my basic beliefs.  Gee, would that make me a
non-chinese-cu??  Anyway, you do have to recognise that your "right" and other
people's "right" can be different.  And the majority's "right" is the right 
RIGHT!  Unless you happen to be the one in power, of course.
	I have a question for you.  How come you would comment on other
people's comments and statements but never answer the questions put forth to
you???

[Joe Dwight never answers people's direct questions but chooses to nitpick
instead -- in case you really really have this thing about answering questions]
	Ciao.

-Tai
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