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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:51:41 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
              Nov 10, 92 1:08 am

Oh,  sigh..A whole day of going through old mail, now this...
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> Posted by Agnes Kruchio
> >
> >> >Some questions about names:
> >> >
> >> >>Zsuzsanna Budapest
> >> >
> >> >Is this a real name? Especially "Zsuzsanna" - is there a language where
> >> >the name is really spelt that way?
> >>
> >> This is indeed good Hungarian (if that isn't an oxymoron).
> >                                                ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >                                                Ah..._excuse_ me?
> >                                                Do you really
> >     I know how to  pronounce Hungarian         expect to get laughs
> >      and you call me IGNORANT?                 from this rather
> >                                                cheap and ignorant
> >     Sheesh, don't they teach irony in          throwaway remark?
> >     the schools anymore? My undergraduate      Shame on you.
>       advisor, an very ccourtly Hungarian
>       himself, had no illusions about the Hungarian language, discouraged
>       from learning it even those whom he would gladly impale on Russian.
>       My dear Agnes, I come to suspect that you are not so much pragmatic
>       as an unbearably humorless prig  8-/
>
Sorry, Blomberg, it won't wash. See how you would react if you substituted
anything else for "Hungarian" - say "American" or Yankee. It's a wanton
comment, completely unwarranted. And your subsequent tone, "my dear
Blomberg",  is equally patronizing. I could go further, but it would
go below the belt, where, unlike you, I would rather not sink.

Agnes

{
> >
> >"Zs" is pronounced
> >> like "s" in "pleasure". Budapest (pronounced -pesht) is, I would imagine,
> >> a nom de seance.
> >        ???
>
>       Since I have never seen a Hungarian surname which merely reflected a
> place name, and certainly one that was the same as the capital, I assumed that
> this was the name of someone who had changed it upon emigrating to the West
> for her customers' ease, while preserving a moniker clearly designating her
> land of birth, and preserving a more exotic air than "Anderson". Maybe I was
> conflating the New Age-y feel of the original list of books with the
> stereotype of the Hungarian Gypsy reading palms, but "spiritualist-for-hire"
> was the image that came to my sleep-deprived, keyboard-drunk mind.
>
> >Agnes
> >A good Hungarian
>
> blomberg cepeda: the product of 350 years of Swamp Yankees  and 350 years of
>                  Newfoundlanders
>


{
> >
> >"Zs" is pronounced
> >> like "s" in "pleasure". Budapest (pronounced -pesht) is, I would imagine,
> >> a nom de seance.
> >        ???
>
>       Since I have never seen a Hungarian surname which merely reflected a
> place name, and certainly one that was the same as the capital, I assumed that
> this was the name of someone who had changed it upon emigrating to the West
> for her customers' ease, while preserving a moniker clearly designating her
> land of birth, and preserving a more exotic air than "Anderson". Maybe I was
> conflating the New Age-y feel of the original list of books with the
> stereotype of the Hungarian Gypsy reading palms, but "spiritualist-for-hire"
> was the image that came to my sleep-deprived, keyboard-drunk mind.
>
> >Agnes
> >A good Hungarian
>
> blomberg cepeda: the product of 350 years of Swamp Yankees  and 350 years of
>                  Newfoundlanders
>

Is that supposed to impress? You must be joking.

Hmm..Thanks, BTW, for calling me a "humorless prig" - I
was worried I was getting a little too mellow and laid
back in my old age..though some of the Words-lers concerned
about the health the list as a result of the aforementioned
ad hominen attacks might see it as further eidnence that
that list is in danger...and worry even more

Not nice, blomberg cepeda, not nice.....

A.