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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Where do I get these obscurities?! (was: If I like King Crimson..)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:49:14 GMT

feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>I've listened to Mahavishnu Orchestra as well as some of the others mentioned.
>However, I am having extreme difficulty finding anything by the following:
> 
>    Massacre          (this Fred Frith guy must be wonderful)
>    Happy the Man     (so far fifteen record employees have said "huh?")
>    National Health   (ditto)
>    Soft Machine      (there's nothin' behind Soft Cell in the bins)
>    Lonely Universe   (not even listed in the record yellow pages)

>I know.  Welcome to reality.  Progressive music is not really popular so we
>have to look in dumpsters behind recordshops.  Or, am I going about it wrong?

Mailorder is the only way to find a real selection of this stuff and even
then the vendors tend to be highly specialized. For the things you mention, 
all have been listed in Wayside's past catalogs and probably still are. 
Massacre went out of print but is due for domestic re-issue soon and might be
found cutout anyway. 

Frith is wonderful, but his output is also schizophrenic, ranging from 
free improv guitar noise to beautiful compositions to quirky sort of poppy
(but warped) songs. Proceed with caution - all his work with Henry Cow, and
his solo works Gravity, Speechless, and the Top of His Head are all pretty 
accessible, but some of the improv recordings and works like The Technology
of Tears are a little harder to relate to. The improv stuff works better
live when you can see the visual humor of this guy assualting his guitar
with food, hankerchiefs, drumsticks and whatever else he can find. Fred 
even goes shopping in toy and hardware stores for new toys to abuse his
guitar with before a good live improv show.              

>Are there mail order catalogs that have any of these guys?  Can anyone
>recommend some good sources?  

WAYSIDE MUSIC 
PO Box 8427, Silver Spring MD  20902-8427  USA
Phone #: (301) 589-1803 new release info & catalog requests.

THE LASER'S EDGE
PO BOX 3128, Hoboken, NJ 07030
201-656-2112 (6PM to 10PM EST, No Later !!!)

I'll post a more comprehensive mailing list list soon, I promise!

>Does someone still make the King Crimson videos that I've been desparately
>searching for as well?  

SPECTRUM MUSIC VIDEO
1-800-84MUSIC

Still has the Japanese Laserdisc of the Three of a Perfect Pair Live in Japan. 
I don't think they stock it on VHS, but their huge catalogs of music videos
are well worth the free phone call for them. 
>Am I doomed to consonant music for the rest of my life?!!

>Help,

Ok. Breathe deep. Avoid panic buying. Relax. Feel better now? :^) 

>Michael Feathers      feathers@fiu.edu

 - Malcolm @wrs.com 
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: PROGFEST & Djam Karet as a 5 piece
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:39:21 GMT

borella@toadflax.cs.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella) writes:

>From what I understand Henderson will be joining them at the ProgFest
>but he's not necessarily going to record with them again.

>Supposedly the lineup at ProgFest will be a five piece w/mystery keysman.
>My first guess is Roach, second is Watkins (these are just guesses!)

Thanks, Mike, I thought that I'd heard Henderson would still be with the
group live for that show. The news of the additional keys sounds interesting. 
I suppose it could also be Jeff Greinke too (if so, expect some interesting 
theatrics that Jeff usual does in his live performances).

I hope the extended lineup all will collaborate on the upcoming recordings; 
it seems like it'd be a shame to have the band work arrange the material to 
perform live and then record it with one less performer.

PROGFEST: 
Can Mike or someone post a synopsis of the event with the address? I can't
find the previous posts and I got the info address, but I'd like to repost
and share the info with PRODIGY and some local bulletin boards and offline. 
It'd be nice to have a blurb with all the relevant details so I can help
spread the news. 

Any plans for the progfest to be broadcast on UCLA radio or recorded for
release? 

Any idea how the advertising and such is being targeted? I'll bet that
doing a mailing to the couple of hundred folks in the Gong-tour network
might be a good idea. Rick Chafen at Voiceprint might be willing to share
his gong-mailing list for that if asked politely. 

  - Malcolm
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:13:22 CST
From: <U49254@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson/Soft Machine?
 <C17zIv.KAt@mach1.wlu.ca> <EfN1nCu00iUyQ3gXIb@andrew.cmu.edu>

The question has been raised "Who is Soft Machine?"
Soft Machine were a Canterbury based group which started out as a
psychedelic rave-up, and concluded life as a fusion band. It's
early incarnations featured Kevin Ayers and Robert Wyatt, along
with keyboard player Mike Ratledge, who remained almost until the end.
Daevid Allen of Gong was also an early member, although he left before
the band recorded it's first album.
    Later members include Hugh Hopper, Elton Dean, Roy Babbington,
John Marshall, Karl Jenkins, Ric Sanders, John Etheridge, and on
the album 'Bundles', Allan Holdsworth.
   'Bundles' may be a good place to start, but I'd also recommend
all of their other work, with the possible exception of 'Land
of Cockayne'- not because it's a bad album, but because it's not
really representative of this iconoclastic monster of a band.
         Kaplan at UIC a.k.a. U49254@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Clearlight ?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:52:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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Just picked up Clearlight's Forever Blowing Bubbles and was *very*
impressed.  Quite a bit of fury, a little 5/4 time, and lots of
layers.  The early Hillage reference that I had remembered seemed
to be pretty close.  Can someone tell me a little more about this
gem - like what else exists, how it relates to FBB, ......

As always, thanks in advance.
Bob

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From: addam@cco.caltech.edu (Adam Neil Villani)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:53:04 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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From: A.G.Catchpole@bradford.ac.uk (Adrian Catchpole)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Fish and cover artwork
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:02:04 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92079460@muser
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Allan Skillman (allan@hpopf2.cern.ch) wrote:
: I picked up the new Fish CD on saturday and I was wondering if anybody out 
: there knows whether Mark Wilkinson has stopped doing the cover artwork for
: Fish for good or just for this CD. I always look forward to seeing a new
: piece of work on the Fish covers and was rather dissapointed at the lack
: of one on "Songs from the Mirror"

I think he said that he was having a break from Mark Wilkinson just for this
one album. I suppose he wanted to emphasise that it was an album of cover
versions not an album of his songs.

BTW I noticed in the Forthcoming Album Releases posting that 'Songs From The
Mirror' was scheduled for an April release. Seeing as it's already out, don't
they mean his new album proper, 'Suits' instead?

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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:28:30 GMT
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Distribution: world
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: elp caps-lock
Summary: welcome to the net

In article <C1Gwt8.9xs@mach1.wlu.ca> oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody O'halloran u) writes:
>I SAW ELP AT MASSEY AND THEY WERE GREAT!!!
>
>I ALSO MANAGED TO GET BACK STAGE AND MEET GREG LAKE AND KEITH EMERSON!
>(I JUST MISSED SEEING PALMER-HE WENT TO THE BUS WHEN I ENTERED)

What, he doesn't like being shouted at?

;-)

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From: s4jack@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Jack)
Subject: Hackett-unauth bio
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:45:03 GMT

The two unreleased tracks are recorded in 1992.  One of them, "Don't fall 
away from me" was written with Brian May, of Queen fame (or infamy).  The 
other track's name escapes me but it is ok.  

Whether or not it is worth buying really depends on how you feel about 
best of collections.  The interesting part about this CD are the notes 
inside that describe the song.  

The current debate as to who started tapping is addressed with S.H. 
implying that Eddie Van Halen learned from him.  This comment is a little 
self serving but I for one would like to have it cleared up.  Does 
anybody know if EVH has resonded or commented in the past that S.H was a 
"profound influence".

bye


s4jack@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Jack)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: LDAA@UDESVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Clearlight ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:19:03 GMT
Organization: Universit de Sherbrooke

If you like Forever Blowing Bubbles, you will also like Symphony
which is IMHO even a little better. It has exactly the same
sound.  Vision and Les contes du singe fou have a slightly  different
sound.  Symphony II includes half of the original Symphony plus new
versions and development of the original themes. I would recommend
buying Symphony and then Symphony II.

Pierre Blackburn Ldaa@vm1.si.usherb.ca
From: javhar@wsinfo01.win.tue.nl (Jack v Rijswijck)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Genesis bootleg question (The Lady Lies)
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:29:23 GMT
Reply-To: javhar@win.tue.nl


In the Genesis History video (whatever it is called) there is a little take
from a concert, where they play the middle part of `The Lady Lies' (when
they're talking about the punk area).

This sounds absolutely awesome! But unfortunately this song is on none of the
live albums. Does anyone know of any bootlegs or videos that do contain this
song?

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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Soft Machine
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:27:49 EST

     Since there's been talk about Soft Machine recently, I'd like to 
voice a question about them that I've had for some time.
     I have Soft Machine's second and third albums.  I like the second 
album a lot, but the third I find rather dull aside from "Moon In June." 
Now, I love a lot of the other Canterbury-fusion groups (Hatfield and the 
North, Moerlen's Gong, and so on), so are the later Soft Machine albums 
distinctly different or better than the third?  Any reply would be much 
appreciated.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
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From: bea@solan.unit.no (Bj|rn Erik Aga)
Subject: Fish and his Suits album
Keywords: Can anyone tell me when Fish's Suits album will be released?
          Will Fish be playng songs from this album on the Never Mind The
          Bullocks tour? 
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:07:47 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jdliss@unix.amherst.edu (Jeff Liss)
Subject: Lake Interview Freak Out Repost
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:11:00 GMT

This is an article that went out on Discipline and for some reason didn't
make it to the ELP list (maybe someone can mail me and say why not), so I
thought I would post it here.

* * *
 
Date: 14 Jan 1993 14:13:35 -0500
From: MOONLIT KNIGHT <JDLISS@amherst.edu>
Subject: Lake Interview Freak Out
 
As a holder of a prime ticket for the ELP show at Springfield on 2/1, I was
interested when the local paper had an article about them.  No offense to
small town papers like here in the Pioneer Valley, but they usually don't
have much revelation to offer.
 
After introducing Lake's phone interview by describing him as a member of
"the fabled King Crimson before ELP formed", it goes on to talk about the
fans as 70-80% old and 20-30% young.  He also says that the advantage of a
trio is the distinctness of each player, the disadvantage that when someone
screws up it's pretty obvious.  He says there is a little room for
improvisation in the show but not much since the crowd wants to hear
prepared music.  He also expresses disappointment in modern music (yawn).
 
"Lake said the present tour schedule will feature a show that is different
from the one performed last year.  The concerts will again be a mix of new
and old ELP material, but the song list will not be the same."
 
It says he will move to Los Angeles during '93 and that a new studio album
is planned and that Lake plans on doing a solo album this year.
 
Now here's the kicker, hold on to your hats...
 
"And he did not rule out a reunion of King Crimson.
 
 'It would be nice to make an album and play live,' he said of King
Crimson. 'I've been talking to Robert [Crimson's ex-guitarist/leader Robert
Fripp].  We may well end up doing something in the future.  Right now,
we're both busy.  We're all still very friendly.  There are no personal
problems.'"
 
(all excerpts unoffically but appreciatively regurgitated from Chris
Hamel's article in the Hampshire Union-News 1/14/93)
 
Well I don't suppose that this is as shocking as it seems.  Fripp has said
that all those "acquainted with the tradition" are potential future Crimson
members, and that "all have expressed desire to work together in the
future".  Lake seems the most unlikely candidate, though.  I mean, this
article acts like Crimson never existed after 1969, which, according the
Essential scrapbook, is Lake's opinion of the situation.  I hope to be able
to ask him about these things after the show.
 
* * *

There are some further developments on the subject, and I'll let you all
know what Mr. Lake has to say.

Jeff


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From: moleface@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Moleface)
Subject: Re: New Steve Howe release 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:56:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.204733.23722@cunews.carleton.ca>  
wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
> The new Steve Howe solo disc is called "The Grand Scheme Of Things"
> and is released through Relativity (ugh) records on March 23
> in the USA and about a week later (yeah, right) in Canada on Sony.
> 
> Anil Prasad
> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
What's so wrong with Relativity records?
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From: dithtt@orden.cl (Hernan Theiler)
Subject: Torture Garden in CD
Organization: Orden S.A., Santiago, Chile
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:43:03 GMT

I want to know if "Torture Garden" by Naked City (John Zorn's group)
was released in CD. I know there were vinyl and cassette releases.
Thanks.

e-mail the response, please.

theiler@macha.orden.cl			Hernan Theiler
From: jarmo@ae.tut.fi (Jarmo Sorvari)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: YesYears video, PAL format?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:44:29
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: alt
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I have heard there is a video to go with YesYears.

Now, I cannot order it here in Finland (it's not on the lists).  I
could order it from some other European country (PAL version!).  So I
need some ordering information.  Any kind sould there, please?  Thanks
in advance!

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From: bill@verdix.com (William Spencer)
Subject: Re: A few comments on The Great Deceiver
Organization: Verdix Corp
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:24:27 GMT

rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:

>I had to take my box back to the store as it came with two disk #2s and no disk
>#4.  Waiting for them to order a replacement copy.  Anyone else with this
>unfortunate problem?  <sigh>

Yes. The second disc #2 was in a #4 box.

Bill s
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:12:44 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <C14y90.Dwx@fiu.edu> feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>My question is:   Given that the following are favorites of mine, what bands
>would you all suggest that are similar?
>
>If its jazzy, I prefer fusion-esqe or oriental.

Try the John McLaughlin reptoire. Visions of the Emerald beyond is
probably a good place to start.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
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From: barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett)
Subject: Re: North American Progressive bands
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:09:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.011022.4856@news.vanderbilt.edu> talbert@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Talbert) writes:
>BELA FLECK & THE FLECKTONES
>   They're not exactly rock, they're more like... um... well...
>   Any self-respecting progressive music fan should check out these guys. 

	I agree.  Their first (self-titled) album is fabulous "banjo-oriented
jazz fusion".  Yes, that is not a typo.  I haven't heard anything quite like
it before, and it's terrific.  I liked it *immediately* on hearing it.

                                                        Dan

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From: e343mh@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael Hand)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Celtic Rock
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:35:41 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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In article <1993Jan21.093545.29054@zoo.bt.co.uk> ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk writes:
>Having missed a bit of this thread, I'm not sure if anyone
>has mentioned Horslips or Runrig. Horslips are a Belfast
>Band that are well worth a listen, especially 'The Book
>of Invasions'.

Are Horslips still around?  Their album THE TAIN is one of my
alltime favorites.  Someone please send or post a discography
of them, *please*!
B-o} M
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:12:51 EST
From: Robert B. MacMillan <RMACMIL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: procol harum search

i am robert bruce macmillan.  i own every procol harum album ever made
except for something magic (1977).  i've heard of something also which
sounds like tales and tangrams or some such thing, but it doesn't sound
like procol harum to me.  any info out there?
are there any other matthew fisher albums besides journey's end, i'll be
there and matthew fisher?
any other brooker albums besides lead me to the water, no more fear of
flying and echoes in the night.
any good trower?  anybody else?     thanks...
From: feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Has anyone heard of Shawn Lane?
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:48:50 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


I have a fabulous album by a man named Shawn Lane.  He plays guitar and 
keyboards well enough to rival Steve Morse and Rick Wakeman respectively
and the music on the album is incredibly lush.

Has anyone else here head of him?  I have to classify him as progressive.

Does anyone know of any of his earlier material that may be available?


The current album is named _Powers of Ten_.
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: Asia Second Leg USA
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:18:08 GMT

In article <C1BL5s.Kqs@unix.amherst.edu> jdliss@unix.amherst.edu (Jeff Liss) writes:
>Does anyone know if Asia's second leg in North America will include
>Steve Howe?  I know that he did not return to England with the band
>after the first leg ended in Florida in November (?) and that he
>wanted to finish his album.  But he's definitely the deciding factor
>as to whether or not I would want to see a show...

The reason for Howe remaining in the US was exactly that: to mix his
solo album.

However, according to Asia fan club prez Michael Stollery, Howe is
required under contractual obligation to appear at every date on the
NA Asia tour as "special guest". Especially as Howe intends to be *the*
guitarist from now on, it follows that he would complete the tour
anyway.

Simon

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