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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:47:36 EST
From: <ASOLOMO@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: SALE: Sony Digital Preamp


       I love this preamp, but I've got a new hobby that takes me [gasp!]
       *outdoors*, and as part of my 'transition therapy' I must relinquish
       my audiophile obsessional objects. You know, the twelve steps to a
       real life? [1/2 :)]

       So, against my own will, I am offering my Sony TAE100ESD *digital*
       signal processing preamp, mint condition w/rosewood end pieces, ori-
       ginal box and papers, remote, etc., 3 yrs. old., for $470 or make an
       offer. I will pay UPS shipping & insurance or you pickup in D.C. area.

       Please don't e-mail me basic questions about the 1000 like, "how does
       the digital parametric EQ work?"; go check out the 2000 at a store;
       the 1000 is basically the same. I am not an expert on this unit anyway;
       I just loved the end result.

       Also see the ads for my NAD 2400 power amp and (on high_end) my Audio
       Concepts Sub 1's (*sob*).
From: whiting@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (claude whiting)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Denon or SonyES?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:01:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject:Denon or Sony ES? 
Reply-To: whiting@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (claude whiting)
Followup-To: 
Distribution:usa 
Organization: GTE Federal Systems
Keywords: 

I may be purchasing a new cd player shortly and have narrowed my choices down 
to two manufacturers and three models. These are: 

Sony CDP-X339ES 
Denon DCD-1560
Denon DCD-2560

Does anyone own one of these? What are your experiences? The Sony seems to be 
extremely well built...the Denons less so. Is Denon reliable?

Any and all comments would be appreciated. Please don't suggest other 
manufacturers...these are the ones I've boiled down to.

Claude

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:32:08 -0500 
From: Brian T Cheek <bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Could a CD be played backwards, or slower?

You cannot play a CD backwards by reversing the motor.  For at least one
reason, there is subcode (tracking) information on the tape which when
played backwards would be meaningless.

You can copy the CD Audio information to a computer and process it (even
reverse it) easily there.

You can slow down a CD.  I had a Technics player that did such.  It had
a pitch control.  This slows pitch, and tempo, I assume, by slowing down
the CD and sending less samples per second to an asynchronous DAC.  Or
it could use some expensive algorithm to interpolate the missing bits
depending on how much you slow it down (but I doubt it.)

-Brian :)
From: bjones@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Best price for Infinity Video 1
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:13:13 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory


Where is the best price available mail order for the Infinity video one
center channel speaker?
From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Digital critics - sampling argument is nonsense
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:16:58 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <C17snA.Ix9@hfglobe.intel.com> jlo@hfglobe.intel.com (Jeffrey Lo) writes:
>
>Peter Gabriel said that at first he was fully taken in by the idea of
>digital audio and then he saw the light and came back to analog.
>Let's try a little experiment.  Listen to his Security album (full
>digital), and his latest album, Us (presumably analog).  Although
>Security is not the best sounding album I've heard, it's quite good.
>Us on the other hand, sounds like the band was buried in a mud bog
>with a thick blanket over it.  It sounds bad wether it is coming out
>of your TV or B&W 801s.  This makes me distrust his sonic opinions.

On the other hand, SO was analogue mastered and sounds excellent.  Poor
sound quality should not be blamed on the method of recording.  Some
digital recordings (Chesky, Linn) sound excellent.  Evaluating on sound
terms does not an argument make because there will always be those which
don't fit the scheme of things.  Just that still, when all else is in tip
top condition I will still go with the analogue until I hear the HDCD
anyway.  Then things may change.  I hate the assumption that we are all
completely against digital, we are just against poor sound quality.

-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independent Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
From: kautz@research.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: discman  802 vs 808
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:27:02 GMT
Reply-To: kautz@research.att.com
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Is there any real difference between the Sony Discman D802K versus the
D808K, aside from $50?  I understand the 802 uses 4 batteries while
the 808 uses 2.  Any difference in the accessories included, etc?
(Please email as well as post)
--
---- Henry Kautz

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:31:20 GMT

In article <30416@castle.ed.ac.uk> sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock) writes:

>Both DCC and MD are too new to start slinging stones around, CD sounded
>utterly dreadful when it first appeared, now it can sound passable with
>care, give the new technology time, let those who dived into CD first do
>the same with DCC/MD and eventually your perception of good sound may be
>lowered enough such that you can put up with the sound, Christ, if people
>can put up with CD they can put up with anything. 

	I wish you would save the money you spend on audio and buy a clue.
Any audio limitations with CDs are not due to the 16 bit, 44.1 digital
sampling as much as the microphone - amp - amp - speaker chain.  Buy a good
CD player.  I feel bad that you spent $10,000 on that turntable 10 years ago
and need to rationalize the cost.  Try spending $10,000 on a CD player.  I bet
it will sound better.

(The funny thing is, I bet many of your favorite albums were recorded on a digital
master tape before the vinyl coloration was added).

						--Rob.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: monty@quasar.lerc.nasa.gov (Monty Andro)
Subject: Where can I ftp "Perfect Box"
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: rec
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:25:41

 
Hello,

I have seen many references to the software package called "Perfect Box".
Is this software in the public domain?  If so, where can I anonymously
ftp it from?

Monty



Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: davidl@microsoft.com (David Long)
Subject: Re: Why would CD carousel sound worse than single-play?
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:29:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I've received several direct responses to my posting about the
sound quality of carousels vs single-play.  The consensus is that 
it's a marketing and cost/feature issue:  the target audience
is more interested in features than absolute sound quality, and 
these features cost money that otherwise could've been spent on 
higher quality electronics.

This makes sense to me, and confirms my feeling that there
isn't an inherent reason why carousel units couldn't be made
to sound as good as single-play units.  

However, I'm still interested in knowing if there are technical
limitations to the carousel platter approach that degrade the 
sound compared to a single-play drawer.  Are there?

...David Long

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Speaker Position Program
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:51:36 GMT

 I just FTP'ed the placemnt.zip file from the audio ftp site and I am at
a loss what to do with it.  I know it is a lotus 1-2-3 file but I don't have
that software handy.  I opened it up in Excel but it didn't make sense.
None of the alt - X commands will work and the format of the file is hard
to make sense of.  Have any of you used it and can tell me what to do with
it?  Thanks.  Also, my newsfeed has been down for a few days.  Someone told
me that someone out there wanted to know what I didn't like about the PSB
Alpha's.  If you still want my opinion, and I am no expert, then email me
at the address in my .sig and we can talk.

Mike

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From: wyattw@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Wyatt A Webb;629-1592;92-835;tekig1.pen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: What to buy?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:58:50 GMT
Distribution: rec.audio
Organization: Tektronix - Application Software Development

Hello all!

  I'm asking this for a friend who has no net access.  He's looking
to put together a good home theatre/stereo system, including a Sony
TAE-2000ESD preamp, power amp(s), and front, centre and surround
speakers.  He's recently tried out the Mirage 790, 990 and M7si.  At
this point, he's leaning towards the Mirage M7si, with a Mirage MCC
center speaker, and Mirage M190 rear speakers.

  There are a few things he'd like to know: First, can anybody
recommend good power amps?  He's looked at the literature for the
B&K Video-5 Sonata and the Forte' FT-1 five-channel amps, and has
listened to their smaller stereo siblings.  At first listen, the B&K
sounded better, but that may have been due to room differences at
different dealers.  Can anybody recommend another 5(or 6)-channel
amp with at lesat 100W/ch for the front three channels?
Alternatively, separate power amps for mains and for the centre and
surround channels?  This seems prohibitively expensive, though.

  Second:  Any other speakers in the M7si price range that are worth
looking at?  He really liked the sound of the M7, so speakers that
sound radically different may not be a good idea.

  Third: The bass response on the M7 seemed quite adequate on even
very low tones, but he didn't have a chance to try them with the
very lowest pitches, like an orchestral bass drum.  Does the M7
really have adequate bass response, or is a separate sub necessary?
How does Mirage's powered sub stack up?

  Please either post responses here, or email them to me, and I'll
forward them.

Thanks!

	-Wyatt

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Jonas.Palm@orgk3.lu.se (Jonas Palm)
Subject: Re: Dolby S vs. DCC etc.
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: University of Lund, Sweden
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:23:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.201538.22693@viewlogic.com>,
bobdavis@scumbag.viewlogic.com (Bob Davis) wrote:
> Comparisons between Dolby S and DCC and MD must take the particular
> decks and/or electronics into consideration.  While these NR &
> compresssion techniques will tend to have certain effects, the other
> sonic attributes of particular cassette decks or MD/DCC decks will
> possibly make a much larger difference.
> 
> One big problem, which I've had with all but the ultra expensive cassette
> decks, is flutter and speed stability in general.  Dobly S isn't going
> to make a wit of difference there. 
> ....

As a matter of fact.... Oh yes it will! (or is that does?)
At the moment, Dolby-S circuits are expensive and therefore only shows
up on the best decks, with good to excellent transports.
Even if this wasn't the case, Dolby requires certain performance levels
to be met by the tape deck if it is to use Dolby-S. 
Azimuth angles, transport stability, noise levels, overload margins of 
electronics are all examples where certain criteria that must be met.

Furthermore there is one user interface feature that must be present:
The user _has_ to be able to adjust bias and recording sensitivity for
a given tape, manually or automatically.

Thus Dolby-S in the cassette market is not just a noise reduction scheme.
It ensures that the basic performance level of the deck is reasonable.
It tries to ensure transferability of recordings (the azimuth requirement).
It makes sure that the user can calibrate the tape deck to the tape used
and thereby avoid Dolby mistracking.

Unfortunately, Sony produces the Dolby-S circuits, and I find it difficult
to imagine that they are particularly interested in pushing up volume and
down price. They have interests elsewhere.

Whatever the reason, the relative expense of Dolby-S (vs C) makes it a 
high-end item at present. No crummy transports there. 
Most are very good.

                                        Jonas Palm
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon)
Subject: Re: Equipment for Sale
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:26:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan27.175848.24342@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.150035.24202@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
>davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) writes: 
>>In article <1993Jan24.211944.15087@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
>>boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta) writes: 
>>>EQUIPMENT FOR SALE:
>>>Denon DCD-910 CD player.............................$259
>>
>>Recently I saw a new DCD-920 for $179 + tax.  What is so great about
>>Joe's DCD-910 that he feels justified in asking $259 for it?
>>
>I'll tell you what's so great about it.  Nothing!  I was told buy
>a local high-end dealer (who's heavy into tubes) that this is the
>price for the 910 in the "blue book" (whatever the hell that is -- I
>assume it is the audio equivalent for the NADA for used cars).
>
>If someone wants to buy it, the price is not set in concrete.
>
>I'm kind of new to this level of gear and selling audio gear over
>the net.
>
>If I've done something wrong, please let me know.  I don't want to 
>step on any toes (except my own -- I've got two left feet).
>
>Joe LaPenta


	On the other hand, Joe's machine has been time tested by
	Joe. That new DCD-920, sure hasn't had such rigorous testing !
	:-} :-}

	Tom
From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (Clyde Gordon Waters)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Speaker vent placement question
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:32:38 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <C19zHJ.BMI@world.std.com> DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes:
>
>Current piezo tweeters are just as bashable now as they were then. I
>cannot guess why John Dalquist used them. I cannot see them has having any
>place in a reasonable speaker system. They are, however, the ultimate
>indestructible driver, it would seem.

Uh, not quite...ever hit one with a >35v input _SHATTER!!!_ there went
the element... one of the only tweeters more likely to die with a big
amp rather than a small one... they can handle all the low-voltage 
clipping you can send at them, but are annihilated at any signal greater
than (usually) 35v. They are great for the guys (primarily car stereo)
who want to play their $129 amp at level 11- you don't have to replace them
every week ( :-) ). 

Yours amusedly,
Gordon.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: Audible CD improvements
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:01:41 GMT


I have a Sony CDP-45 that I purchased a long time ago.  The drawer sticks
most of the time.  I can hear the motor spinning but the drawer won't
open.  I usually rap the front of the drawer with my finger which causes
the drawer to open.  Once open, the motor continues to spin and usually,
the drawer closes a few seconds later by itself.

I saw the suggestion about replacing the belt.  I'll give it a try.

What I want to know is how much better do current CD players sound now
compared to the old CDP-45?  I paid right around $300 for it.  How
would the $300 Sony of 1993 sound in relation to my current one?

Thanks for the up-to-date opinions.

-Brian

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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Advice on bookshelf speakers
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:00:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.225752.4956@news.acns.nwu.edu>, interpol@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Drew Cheng) writes:
|> In article <0fLQQQm00iUy45YXB7@andrew.cmu.edu> Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> >I am looking for a small and relatively inexpensive bookshelf speaker in the
|> >$200 to $400 range.  Being a college student, I need  something compact.  I
|> 
|> Take a look at the PSB Alpha bookshelf speakers.  Good price at $299/pair, and
|> they sound great.
|>
 
  You shouldn't pay more than $200/pair for the Alphas.  The Paradigm Titans
(also $200/pair) are also worth a look.

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From: lancer@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: High-quality walkmen
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:02:41
Organization: ZikZak Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


OK, so tell me about the Walkman Pro!  Tell me about the alternatives!

It doesn't look like I'll be getting a DAT or MD (or scoopman for that
matter) any time soon, but I need a good quality recorder to record
practice sessions and performances of my band.  

What are the different Walkman Pro models, how much are they, and where
can I find them?  Do any other companies offer any good alternatives?

thanks for all the info.

Post or email...

.s.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)
Subject: Re: Center Channel Speaker Advice
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:24:22 GMT

> Christopher J de Zorzi writes:
>
> Okay folks, I'm looking for a center channel speaker.  Couple of qestions:
> My
> amp (Sony STR-990) is prepped for 2 center channels.  Do I buy one center
> channel speaker or two?  Does it really make a difference?

Check the manual - you can also hookup just one speaker.  The back of the
unit sort of shows that as well.

I put a paradigm CC-200 onto mine.  I like the sound of it a lot, as did the
other netters who recommended it to me.

Frank.
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From: ea02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (M. ERFURT CHANDRAPUTRA ASALI)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: YAMAHA DSP-E1000 VS LEXICON CP1+
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:49:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I want to get a surround processor for my system and I am thinking of YAMAHA
DSP-E1000 ($900) or LEXICON CP1+ ($1600). Since LExicon is almost twice as
expensive as YAMAHA, has anyone out there had any comments or any experiences
with either of the two systems ? Is it worth it to spend that much money for
CP1+ ?
Any inputs are greatly appreciated.

Chandra Asali
ea02@lehigh.edu
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grump)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Anti-aliasing on the recording end?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24714
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grump)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <shetline-260193114135@128.89.19.90> shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:
>oversampling and recording oversampling confused. Do the same methods work
>at both ends of the audio chain?
Essentially.  The most efficient ways to do it vary somewhat,
but the processes are very similar in most respects.

In theory, they are entirely similar, in that one (the DAC)
constitutes the decoder for the other (ADC).


>Would jj care to comment?
Not really.  I have work to do, and Kurt will undoubtedly just
lie about what I said anyhow.  Heck, now he's telling us all
what "jj says".   What "jj says" is on record with a bunch of
standards committees, both US and international, a few books,
a bunch of technical papers, and constantly continues to
annoy the SNR weenies.

Still, good ol' Kurt feels the need to lie about it.

>-Kerry
Not your fault, Kerry.  I'm just sick of his mind-polution.
I don't mind his preferences at all, but when he lies about
matters of public record, he's gone too (*&(* far.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: adaniel@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Daniel Agus;S10000)
Subject: Speakers for sale
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:09:36 GMT


I have an Apogee Centaur Minor speakers for sale. One year old and
rarely used.

A pair of centaur minor  dark gray/ almost black $1000 OBO
A pair of Symo monster cable at least 8' each $ 150
Speaker Stand from apogee (matching color) $ 50

Also if you are interested:
SONY STVR 970 Receiver $300
SONY 2-deck tape recorder $75
SONY CD Player CDP615 5 disc carousel $225

I'll deliver the goods if you ilve in Spokane or Seattle Area.  Otherwise
buyers pay shipping. ( the speakers are heavy aroud 55 lbs each)


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rons@soul.tv.tek.com (Ron Selberg)
Subject: Re:Is Dolby S avail in outboard form? (was DBX)
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:16:37 GMT

Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Keywords: 

I recently purchased an Ampex AG 350 in perfect working condition.
Of course there is no noise reduction and I had considered finding a DBX unit
used. But would like to know if Dolby S can be added as it sounds from the posts
here that it is a better way to go. 

Also, does anyone out there remember an article published in the last couple
of years or so detailing ways to hot rod this deck up to much better specs?

The AG 350 is a pro model from the mid to late 60's. At a hundred bucks, I
couldn't pass it up.

Thanks for any info gang!
E mail me if you prefer.
Ron

Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.music.phish