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From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: ELM vs PINE
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 06:35:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



Hello happy mailers :

I am suppose to do a comparison between ELM and PINE (you never heard of
PINE before!!! :-)  This comparison is mostly in terms of functionality
from users' perspective and a bit from maintenance of the mail-program
point of view.

I've got a load of documents to read on ELM but not as much for PINE.

a) Anybody knows where can I get more to read on PINE?
b) I was wondering if I could get even more  info.  by asking if anybody
   has worked with both and could tell me his/her opinion :-)


ThankX

Farid Hamjavar
The guru is inside you.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes)
Subject: DOS based IMPA client required
Organization: ITS, Bond University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:19:32 GMT

I'm looking at implementing IMAP as a campus wide mail access method.
The only problem is a lack of a DOS client.  I've read of the possible
Pine port to DOS but it the doco regarding it hasn't changed in the past
few releases of Pine so I'm not holding my breath.

Does anyone know of an IMAP capable UA for DOS?  A MIME capale agent
would be great but a standard 822 based agent would do for a start.


All pointer greatly appreciated.


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From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:05:03 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West) writes:

>casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>>cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu (C. R. Oldham) writes:
>>
>>>I received an unsolicited email message from abacus@global.gwinnet.com
>>>today.  It was blatantly advertising the services of Abacus Global
>>>Support, Inc.  I thought this kind of thing was illegal--or at least
>>>not within the spirit of the Internet!

>Count me among the victims.

>>I've already sent them a note telling me that they pissed me off
>>and that I will never give any business to them.

>Is there anything we can do aside from sending them hate mail?

I heard that the marketing director at Abacus Global Support, Inc.
was dying of cancer.  He has a last wish to see if he can break the
Guiness Book of World Records for the number of sympathy cards
received before he dies.  I don't have a mailing address but perhaps
someone who got email from Global could post it?  Can everyone help
out?

Please post to as many groups as you can...

Oh yeah,

:-) :-) :-)

(I hope I didn't start something...)

Robert
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From: devil@diablery.10A.com (Gil Tene)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Telnet/X.25 reachable dial-out modem services?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:53:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: Diablery, cloud seven, Hell. (also 10A Inc.)

I remember hearing somewhere about commercial services on X.25 or
the internet which let you dial out (for a fee) through modems 
which they have distributed in hubs in different area codes.
This is supposed to be much cheaper than using direct dial
long distance modem calls.

Anyone know of a companies providing such a service? 

AdvThanks,

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:58:30 GMT
Keywords: question legal use email

rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander) writes:

>pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
>>If they can't be extradited legally, we'll just kidnap them.  After
>>all, that's what the U.S. does.  If the U.S. thinks that kidnapping
>>is a reasonable approach to extradition problems, then who are we
>>to argue?
>>
>>(It boggles my mind why Mexico hasn't made the obvious retalliation
>>of kidnapping members of the U.S. supreme court).
>
>Mexico doesn't own 75% of the nuclear arsenal on the planet.


Neither does the US, but we have enough (for now).

8-)

Scott

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From: heading@breeze.rsre.mod.uk (Anthony J.R. Heading)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: When should one use MX records?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:48:17 GMT
Reply-To: heading%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk
Organization: Defence Research Agency

I'm trying to get the hang of this... Can someone explain?
If I want to receive Internet mail, I might attach a machine
foo.company.uk to the network, and have this as my mail address
directly. I'd like, though, to have company.uk as my email address.

Should I:
   a) call the machine company.uk instead
   b) have company.uk as an alias for foo.company.uk
   c) register company.uk as a name with MX records
        pointing to foo, then foo-backup, foo-reserve etc
   
When a large organisation has a "high-level" email address
(dec.com, mitre.org, mit.edu  [though these are just guesses])
do they usually correspond to physical machines, or to virtual
machines with MX records?

Is there any disadvantage to the second approach, which seems
on the face of it to be more flexible and more reliable?

AJRH
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Defence Research Agency, St. Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs, UK.
heading@hermes.mod.uk            Work: +44 684 896066
heading@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk       Home: +44 684 563596
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DRA Malvern, UK
Any opinions expressed are my own and in no way
represent those of my employer or any other organization.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:02:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.153359.4787@miki.pictel.com> wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:
>Well, I dunno, it seems to me that a flamefest and mailbombing run on
>everyone who does such a thing will eventually ensure that newcomers
>will get the word as soon as they get their network connection.  Kind
>of "Welcome to the net, be sure not to make the following mistakes."

Yeah, good point. I kinda wonder what Emory and Clemson told Gwinnett Inc.,
and what Gwinnett Inc. told its clients. Have we got companies conducting
corporate business over research segments of the Internet, because they
don't know any better? I'm not saying that these universities or this
network provider are involved, but it's only when something like a random
mailshot happens that we would ever find out about it!
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Whereinthehellis dg-rtp.dg.com?
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:05:00 GMT

In <1992Oct5.234314.26096@madnix.uucp> zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean) says

>    There's a regular posting to news.answers that says there is a
> mail server at dg-rtp.dg.com for . . .
> 
>   I've tried sending mail there, but madnix can't find it in the maps, 
> and bouncing it off uwvax and uunet hasn't produced any results either. 
> Does anyone out there know how to reach this site? 

Odd - seems like you should be able to do it by either UUCP or Internet.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

UUCP map information for "dg-rtp" from UUCP Map file(s): u.usa.nc.1

#Name                 dg-rtp
#System-CPU-OS        Data General AV6200; DG/UX
#Organization         Data General Corp.
#Contact              Mat Waugh
#Electronic-Address      dg-rtp!waugh
#Telephone            +1 919 248 6034
#Postal-Address       62 T.W. Alexander Drive, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709


> dg-rtp.dg.com.
Server:  wrair-emh1.army.mil
Address:  0.0.0.0

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    dg-rtp.dg.com
Address:  128.222.1.2

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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:08:45 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com
Keywords: question legal use email

In article <1992Oct9.153359.4787@miki.pictel.com> wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:
>Well, I dunno, it seems to me that a flamefest and mailbombing run on
>everyone who does such a thing will eventually ensure that newcomers
>will get the word as soon as they get their network connection.  Kind
>of "Welcome to the net, be sure not to make the following mistakes."

Where do you expect all these warnings about silly things not do to be
posted?  It's hard enough providing documentation to new sites about how to
configure themselves correctly, and this mostly involves the
administrators.  Even if the networking providers collect all this wisdom
into reasonable documentation, it probably won't get into the hands of most
of the users, and they're the ones who make these mistakes.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: miser@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Fulwell)
Subject: Figuring out this odd address.
Reply-To: miser@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:23:56 GMT


I recently received this address to reach my brother overseas (Britain), but
I'm having trouble deciphering it.  I'd like to know if it will work, and if
not, how I can make it work.

 MHS!KCC/S=TIM/O=SERVER@ATTMAIL.COM.
              ^I'm not sure if this is a zero or an 'oh'.

So far I have some idea that it's some kind of gateway address between
 OSI X.400 and UUCP.  Still, this doesn't help too much.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
From: george@aoldev.UUCP (George Browning)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: anyone know the mail suffix for America On-Line?
Summary: use username@aol.com
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:21:30 GMT
Reply-To: george@aol.com (George Browning)
Organization: America Online

In article <1992Oct2.173833.21822@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus) writes:
>Can someone point me to info on how to send mail to people at the various
>on-line services?  Suffixes like  @CompuServe.com  are fairly obvious, but
>I need to know the suffix for America On-Line.  The person I need to send
>a file to does not know their full internet/usenet address.
>
>-George Fergus

The suffix you need is aol.com  America Online (and PCLink and Promenade) 
allows blanks in users names.  The blanks need to be dropped and you should
also make the user name (aka screen name) lower case.  So if you know somebody
with the screen name 'A User' you would send the mail to auser@aol.com.

To send internet mail from America Online you simply put the normal internet
address in the To: field on the mail form (or hit the reply button).

George Browning
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 13:29:18 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: BITNET -> CompuServe ?

In the FAQ of this group there is a guide mentioned which should
contain information how to reach CompuServe from BITNET/Internet.

Alas, I could not find this posting in the group.
Could some kind soul either enlighten me or point me to the
right sources?

Thanks in advance
Lutz
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: junk Internet e-mail
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:50:05 GMT

I think that people have been overlooking a number of points:

1) The network *was* created by Americans, and financed by a huge investment
on the part of the American taxpayer.  This tends to be forgotten by certain
non-Americans, who conveniently forget how their countries' PTTs fought the
expansion of the Internet tooth and nail.  If the PTTs had their way, we'd
still be waiting for X.400 to solve our problems, and paying a fortune to the
PTTs for what little e-mail connectivity we are permitted.

2) The present international e-mail infrastructure was built by the collective
work of a great many individuals, who fought hard to pull the fangs from the
PTTs, who overcame national considerations to join the cooperative community
created by Americans and evolve it into a true international facility.  This
tends to be forgotten by certain Americans, who conveniently forget that if it
weren't for the efforts of these people we'd have a great American net but no
access or communication with the rest of the world.

3) It should not require being told not to send advertising e-mail on the
network.  Acceptable Use policies are posted and publicly available; but it
should be a simple matter of common sense.

Unsolicited advertising in e-mail is completely unacceptable, just as it is
for FAX or for cellular phones.  It is already illegal in certain US states to
send junk FAXes.  If common sense isn't used, we face the very real
possibility of having legal mechanisms created.  Considering how incredibly
gothic international legal mechanisms are, it is in NOBODY's interest that it
should come to that.

Junk e-mail, junk FAX, and junk cellular calls differ from postal mail in that
in postal mail the entire cost is assumed by the sender.  That is not the case
with the others.  Although `mail bombing' or `FAX looping' may be an immature
response to the problem, it is undeniably effective in correcting the problem.
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Public access UNIX hosts -- where and how?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:56:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <AAAS9sguW9@sph.spb.su>, avsht@sph.spb.su (Alexander Shturm) writes:
> Hi everybody!
>
> I've heard about existance of public access UNIX hosts in the USA.
> Does anyone is able to obtain his own Internet e-mail address?
> How to contact them? Is a complete list somewhere?
>
> I am especially interesting in getting the list of public access
> UNIX hosts in Israel. Is if only one over there?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> /Alex
>
> --
> Alexander Shturm  ||  St.-Petersburg  ||  Internet: avsht@sph.spb.su
> ================  ||   Russia (xSU)   ||  FidoNet:  2:5030/8.18, /43.18
> Tel.: +7-(812)-233-9148 (home)   +7-(812)-310-4631 (office)
>
>

There's  only one public access Unix site in Israel (Dataserve Ltd.) that
predominantly services large corporate accounts.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL




Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ulisses@ldgo.columbia.edu (ulisses mello)
Subject: Front view for Sun mail ?
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:18:52 GMT

   Is there any front view program like hm or vmail for the Sun
mail system that does not need the OpenWindows ? I connect the
Sun system by modem and I'd like to have a better interface.
   Thanks for any help.

ulisses.

ulisses@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu

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From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains
Subject: Re: When should one use MX records?
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:56:07 +0200
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

[I am crossposting to comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains]

In article <BvtG9B.GBo@breeze.rsre.mod.uk>,
heading%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk writes:
> I'd like, though, to have company.uk as my email address.

>  a) call the machine company.uk instead
>  b) have company.uk as an alias for foo.company.uk
>  c) register company.uk as a name with MX records
>       pointing to foo, then foo-backup, foo-reserve etc

(a) might be reasonable for a small site.  Even if you do this, I
    recommend using multiple MX records.
(b) is illegal.  If there are *any* DNS records for company.uk (and
    there will at least be SOA and NS records) then there may not be
    a CNAME record.
I recommend (c).
 
> Is there any disadvantage to the second approach, which seems
> on the face of it to be more flexible and more reliable?

Just that it is illegal (see above), less flexible and less reliable (in
that you can have several MX records pointing to several backup systems,
while you cannot have seevral CNAMEs pointing to several backup systems).

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:34:23 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:

>[BTW: I didn't get the junk mail, didn't send anything to the idiots
>who sent it out, and think the folks who sold them network services
>should have ensured they knew what the net _was_ before taking their
>money.]

And whose version of "what the network is" would you like presented?
I daresay my opinions of "what the net is" varies just about 180 
degrees from the whiners who have posted in this thread.  I fully 
support the commercialization of the net (note the present tense.)  
I believe the responsibility for filtering "illegal" traffic lies with those 
who declare it illegal.  I realize that network users who have to live with 
some kind of AUP are responsible for meeting those obligations and not the 
rest of the net.  I believe that pretty much anything not illegal is 
permissible, at least until asked not to do so by an individual and then only
relative to that individual.  I believe the rules of net.conduct should
NOT be set by mob rule of a few loudmouths.

The above is the view of the net my paying customers receive.  You or someone
else might not like it and may disagree with it but you can't do anything
about it.  That's just the way the net is.

John
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:57:11 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>>I've already taken adequate measures to stop physical junk mail. There are
>>also sufficient regulations to stop me receiving junk e-mail from within the
>>UK. The problem comes with international cowboys.

>>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

>I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
>plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.  Most other users can simply
>hit the "d" key or whatever their mailer uses to delete a message.

Nah! Bombing runs are usually quite effective.
But man pages? Jeez!!!

I usually return all junk mail but not to the original company. Collect a few
together, swap the return envelopes and send it back. It's amazing how
quickly your name gets removed from the mailing lists!!

Dave (Junk snail mail free)

-- 
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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: More unsolicited advertising e-mail.
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:35:10 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: The Group W Bench

In <samp2@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

>>> I publish a newsletter about fractals called Amygdala (29 issues so 
>>> far) which you may be interested in.
[...]
>I really appreciate your posting that ad.  I'm nuts about fractals and read
>whatever I can on the subject.  I'll be subscribing just as soon as I 
>get the full text of the ad from that fellow.

>See how useful net.advertising is?  Even when you don't mean to?

John, John, John.  I usually agree with you on things, but this is too far.

You don't PAY for other folks to send you junk paper mail -- they do. 
You don't PAY for teleslime to call you up on the phone at all hours
and pitch their latest brand of snake oil -- THEY DO.  (And handsomely, too,
if they happen to call me more than once.... can you say, using a 
common carrier for harrassment?)

Those who have to PAY for their news and mail (including YOUR CUSTOMERS) have
every right to be upset when Tweedle-dee out in la-la land sends them junk
e-mail that *they*, the recipients, have to PAY for.  That's a fact.  I'll go
one further, though, and opine that anyone@dixie.com has a right to be upset
at one John deArmond for ENCOURAGING behaviour that has the potential to
*increase his revenues* by increasing the amount of download time charged on
his machine... without his having spent a dime.  Well, TANSTAAFL.

Keep your laws off my body, keep your hands off my guns, and keep your
junk e-mail off the net.  That's what biz.* is for.

Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
these opinions are MINE, and you can't have them.
From: keve@spuddy.uucp (David Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: PC/Unix mail integration
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:25:22 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Hi, 
  I've been looking for an email package that our company can use which allows 
our users to communicate via E-mail via either PC or Unix system and give the
same front-end to both sets of users.I know packages like WP Office and CC:Mail give some of the functionality , but i'm afraid the bug-bear is that we're 
running upon a DEC Ultrix Risc box.

Having scanned the market it seems that all packages run either upon a Unix box
(which would require our PC users to logon) or on PC boxes which require me to
buy a Soft PC emulator.

I mean how hard can it really be, it just requires a connection to port 25?????

-- 

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