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From: Marcus.Dickreiter@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Marcus Dickreiter)
Subject: WHAT THE HELL...?
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:19:39 GMT

Hi!

If Queen, Nirvana, Guns'n'Roses (URGH!) , U2, dokken and so on are called
"Rock'n'Roll", what the hell are then giants like
Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, The Ace Cats, Stray Cats
The Clash, Frantic Flintstones, Everly Brothers, The Platters...........

 surely classical interpretes of Mozart?
 
Please avoid callin Guns'n'Roses or dokken Rock'n'Rollers! This whole promotion-
mc-donalds-music (cheap to make, expensive to sell but everyone gets it without
having any vitamines!) sucks!

Long live Rock'n'Roll and ELVIS LIVES!

greetings
Marcus
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: ehrhart@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeffrey Ehrhart)
Subject: Re: RELEASE: Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 92-43
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:46:53 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Dec14.003302.207@wam.umd.edu>, bianc@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (WierdnesS) writes:
|> In article <8ekA02Yd2e2u01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com  
|> (Dave Dooley) writes:
|> >  
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
|> -----
|> > Date      Artist/Group                    Title
|> > ------    ------------------------         
|> -------------------------------------
|> >  1 Dec  r Aerosmith                       Live Bootleg
|> 
|> I haven't seen this around
|> (unless it's the one released a LONG time ago, any info?)
  This is just a re-release of the one from many years ago.  I don't
think it was ever released in CD format until now. 

-- 
Jeff Ehrhart
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: Rockline (Was Re:JOURNEY...)
Organization: 
Distribution: usa,world
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:19:14 GMT



In article <84805@ut-emx.uucp>, mdlouie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (M. Louie) writes:
> In fact, Steve Perry and Jonathan Cain will be on Rockline next Monday.
> No, I don't work for the Global Satellite Network, but enjoy their
> programs immensely.
> 
> ---
> Michael       Louie                             
> Univ. of Texas at Austin   
> mdlouie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
> 


I missed this...could anybody summarize what they discussed?  E-mail or
post is fine.  Thanks.


-Steve
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Next project?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:52:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com



It's only fair that I answer my own question(s), I guess...

My next project is going to be a sinuous root planting.

It's a form of raft style.. where you get a group planting by attaching several
trees to a trunk laid in the soil (supplementing the branches now turned into
vertical trees).  

Conceptually, it's like grafting, but in this instance you attach the trunks and 
leave the roots in tact for all the trees involved (the horizontal host and the
new trees as well).

It's pretty ambitious, because of the difficulty of the grafting (it's not 
supposed to show when you're done)... but what the heck...

Tk
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!")
Subject: Re: HELP! SMALL BROWN BUGS!
Reply-To: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:46:01 GMT

>
>Hi:
>	If is is Scale bugs, you can usually spray the bonsai with 
>dormant oil.  This oil smothers the scale.  I don't know what it will 
>do to the tree if it is not dormant.  You might want to check the lable 
>very closely to see that it is OK to use dormant oil during the growing 
>season.
>
>				Keith
>
>KEITH@INTAUD.USU.EDU
>Keith Sedgwick

Hi, & thanks for the info. but if you'll recall the first posting, I mentioned
that these aren't trees (it's an umbrella and a shamrock.) I don't even know
what dormant oil _is_ (but now I'll find out.)

Someone else told me to wash them off carefully and wipe the spots with a swab
dipped in rubbing alcohol. Yet another net.person pointed out that they only
move all at once at certain times and that seems to have them under control.

thanks again!

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: serini@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Piero Serini)
Subject: is there a FAQ ? (Beginner)
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:21:47 GMT

Hi all
I'm a 21 years old beginner, and would like to get FAQs
about bonsai. If there are no FAQs, any help is appreciated.

I had a bonsai years ago, and I succeeded in keeping it
alive for about three years, but then I lost it.
I was so unhappy I never bought one again.
But now, I'd love to have another one, maybe I'll be
more careful!

Thanx
P.S. Urgent: If I buy one tomorrow, can I set it up as
a X-mas tree, or will it suffer from this ? :)
OK, no more jokes, but I swear I'm serious!

Bye all
Piero

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From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (forwarded)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Next project?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:23:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com


This came to me instead of the group... so I forwarded it.


From benson@lclark.edu Fri Dec 11 10:43:42 1992
Subject: Re: What was your best Bonsai project so far?
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

WARNING:  I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM DOING.  PLEASE FORGIVE ANY WEIRD STUFF

	Probably the best Bonsai project so far was my first. I was about
 18 or something and extreamly reluctant to read anything on the subject
 for fear that I might learn something.  I had my eye on a small tree in my
 driveway.  I think it was a pine of some sort or something.  It was
 indiginous to Wash DC anyway.  I didn't have the faintest clueabout Bonsai. 
 I just figured I would cut it up realy good, put it in dirt and "POOF"
 have a 1000 year old looking tree.  I dug it up an potted it in cactus soil.
  The dish I used was a flowerpot dish with three holes drilled in the bottom. 
 I did it right in the middle of summer too, so the sun just beat down on it.
  I watered it every day and fertalized it so much, rainwater would run blue
 out of the bottom.  Well at the end of the summer I went off to college and
 forgot about my poor little victem.  My parents moved into another house and
 for all I knew, they left my tree at the old place.  Well to make a long
 story short, I visited them a few spring breaks later and to my joy, there
 it was - full of spring growth and a trunk that was far thicker than when I
left it.  I was amazed.  My mother had "repotted" it (in regular potting soil)
and left a stunning aray of root material exposed.  I had since learned a lot 
about Bonsai and I repotted it again, trimmed its roots etc.  It is a beauty
and my favorite since it, by all rights, just shouldn't have made it.
CDB


Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov (TED KELL)
Subject: Re: Next project?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Flight Center - Clear Lake City, TX, USA
Date: 11 DEC 92 16:59:29    

In article <1garisINNd7a@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Kelly) writes...
> 
> 
>It's only fair that I answer my own question(s), I guess...
> 
>My next project is going to be a sinuous root planting.
> 
>It's a form of raft style.. where you get a group planting by attaching several
>trees to a trunk laid in the soil (supplementing the branches now turned into
>vertical trees).  
> 
>Conceptually, it's like grafting, but in this instance you attach the trunks and 
>leave the roots in tact for all the trees involved (the horizontal host and the
>new trees as well).
> 
>It's pretty ambitious, because of the difficulty of the grafting (it's not 
>supposed to show when you're done)... but what the heck...
> 
>Tk

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by "attaching several trees to a
trunk."  In fact, I'm sure that I  don't understand.  I've seen things in books
about getting branches to look like trunks, but this doesn't seen to be that.
Please explain.

Ted
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: moreland@conan.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Moreland)
Subject: Re: Next project?
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:35:12 GMT

My next major project is to pot some of the cuttings that we've
accumulated the past couple of years, and introduce bonsai to
my co-workers.

-- 
Linda Jensen				#include "disclaimer.h"
(713) 244-5283			
Intelligent Systems Branch		
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: HELP! SMALL BROWN BUGS!
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:14:24 +0000

In article <1992Dec16.024243.22038@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!") writes:

They sound like Scale bugs to me but I can't remember what you are supposed
to do to kill the things. They are definitely listed in the "things you don't
want on your plants" section of bonsai books - so you do want to get rid 
of them!

Over to someone who is seated a bit closer to a bonsai book ???  Mine are
about 30 miles away.  :-)

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From: dhamilto@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Next project?
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:04:01 GMT
Organization: BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK

In article <1992Dec15.163512.20180@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, moreland@conan.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Moreland) writes:
|> My next major project is to pot some of the cuttings that we've
|> accumulated the past couple of years, and introduce bonsai to
|> my co-workers.
		
Good on you, spread the word.

-- 
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BT, Glasgow Engineering Centre,        Phone:  +44 41 553 2116
229 George Street, Glasgow, UK G1 1BZ
From: bartlone@zeke.gemedical (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: USA: Conflict in the Trenches ***
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:24:11 GMT
Reply-To: bartlone@zeke.gemedical
Organization: GE Medical Systems

OK, here is my $.02 worth...I thought the message stunk as well...
so I mailed it back to him..ALL OF IT...with my comments attacted to the
beginning of the article...sounds like an impressionable newbie cross 
osted to EVERY newsgroup..and since this is the only one where I read
ALL of the articles I missed it elsewhere...I did see the same article
posted in another group..with a different title...

It may be childish, but I think mailing the offender his whole article
from every reader of ever newsgroup where it was NOT appropriate will
teach him a good lesson...or at least teach him how to access his mail
when his mailbox is bigger than the ram of the machine he is using ;-).

                                                     Mike

ObBonsai: I wish I could find one of the false cypress to use as a 
'replacement' for the table top fake christmas tree we have now...
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are interpreted as saying too much.....bartlone@gemed.ge.com
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: What was your best Bonsai project so far
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:37:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

In article 859@infodev.cam.ac.uk, amd@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Dunn) writes:
> Well none really.
> None of my attempts at bonsai have lasted much more than a year.
> So far I have killed;
> 	i) a sapling Zelkova.
> 	ii) 2 sapling sycamores (collected from the 'wild')
> 	iii) several seedling acers (at least the seeds germinated!)
> 	iv) several seedling secoya (? redwoods)
> 	v) and established 4yr bonsai (not sure what it was, but related to orange)
> 
> I guess I must be doing something wrong. Actually it is usually a different problem
> each time, over zealous pruning of leaves, forgetting to water, problems with damping off, and leaving an indoor bonsai outside during a frost.
> 
> Ho hum, pratice makes perfect (I hope). At least I now have a small collection of
> bonsai pots.
> 
> 	Andrew Dunn


Andrew...

	I chuckled a bit when I read this, because it brought back some old 
memories of my early bonsai attempts..  and my collection of pots exceeding 
my collection of trees.

	It does get better... stick with it!

Tk

	


Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!")
Subject: HELP! SMALL BROWN BUGS!
Reply-To: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:42:43 GMT

I know this would be more appropriate for some other group on indoor plants but
hey, this is the one I read.

Last week I discovered some small light brown spots on my umbrella plant. They
formed slightly raised bumps. I scraped one off and discovered it seemed to be
the shell of some insect (quite small -- only slightly larger than the head of
a pin) and I could see legs. I have not observed any of these moving. I washed
all I could find off my umbrella plant and crossed my fingers.

Today I discovered more of them, many more, on my shamrock (which lives above
and to the left of the umbrella, and on different stands.) I discovered them
NOT this time on the leaves (as they had been on the umbrella) but along many
of the stems (shamrocks, in case you don't know, are more of a grass than a
woody-type plant.) Now, I could believe that these thingies just happened to my
shamrock, some fell on my umbrella and now that I've washed them both (and
isolated the shamrock) things will be fine. Could anyone confirm my diagnosis,
tell me what the little buggies are, and/or tell me whether or not my other
babies are in danger and whether I should just throw out the shamrock now?
(it's pretty sickly and I've got propagations from it already that could
replace it.)

Also, while you're all here:-)
Does anyone else have a problem with sap from a ficus benjamina? I've never
heard of it before but mine (4') is making quite a mess of the rug. I do try to
shower it frequently but that seems to almost encourage more sap production.I'd
like it to put out more leaves and less sap.

Maybe the sap is attracting the buggy things. The gnats certainly pay no
attention to it -- they're just here for the aralia.

Thanks,
judith
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Next project?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:43:27 GMT

	I think the raft idea sounds great. I'll be keeping an eye out for
a good tree to start with. I know some saikai plantings (which look similar)
are done with several small starter trees. I'd like to do one of these next.
What is stopping me is buying rooted cuttings at the store. 

	I've heard that one can buy flats of starter trees very cheaply
from mail order nurserys and I'd like to try that. Is anyone else
interested in the bay area (SF)? If so e-mail me.

--Jackie--
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: HELP! SMALL BROWN BUGS!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:31:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com



Well, if it's scale bugs, you have a definite problem (they are HARD to get rid of).

According to one text...

First, clean the branches and leaves with an alcohol and water soaked sponge..

Next, cut away any infested leaves or branches and destroy them...

Then in early spring, destroy the insects with a petroleum based oils and 
organophosphate insecticides..

At the end of spring, use the organophosphate insecticides again to destroy
any larvae.

Separate the plant from others during this time to prevent the spread of the insect.

Be careful ... too strong a dose of this treatment can damage or kill the tree.


GOOD LUCK!
Tk
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: AAT@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (Gus Trautweiler)
Subject: Scale bug advice
Organization: University of Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:46:06 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

It is often best to simply pluck off the scale bugs then rinse with a light
shower of water.  This may not practical if the infestation has gone to far.
Preventing a large scale assault is key (no pun intended).  The shower also 
works well on white flies too as they quickly become resistant to which ever
pesticide your using.  Keep a close eye on your trees.


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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Michel Bartolone)
Subject: Loss of feed
Followup-To: alt.bonsai
Reply-To: "bartlone@gemed.ge.com"
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:55:12 GMT


Well, it is official. I just got confirmation from a manager
that infact my connection to this group will be cut. Probably
as of Saturday. Maybe sooner. If any of you have a site, available
via telnet, that will allow me to telnet in to read the group,
I will be able to continue. If not, it has been fun while it
lasted, and I will miss you all. If any of you have some
alternate method for me to access the group, please email
me (I don't know when my feed from this group will end). We
also need some one to take over the FAQ :-(..I could keep
it and post it, but I wouldn't be able to read the group
to keep it current. I hope to hear from some one soon.
The reasons for removal of this group are basically that there are
groups which are not related to our business, or related to
topics which do not project a professional image.
Again..thank you all for the wonderful time.
                                                    Mike
.

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From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tk)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: What was your best Bonsai project so far?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:12:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com


Hmmm.. my best so far...


One was a very recent one...  I took a shimpaku (juniper) from a 1 gallon can
and wired all the branches on three main trunks (removing the other two trunks).
Then created a 23 tree group planting by placing it horizontally in an 18 inch oval
(1 inch deep)....  the three trunks are under the soil, and the branches are now
vertical trees.  I've got moss patches started and spreading ...  it was a terrific
experiment.  (and now I have a forest that cost me about $22 ...in a $45 pot).

Yes, the rootball is a large "mound" at one end of the forest.... and I did make a
cut at each bend (to get the vertical trees from horizontal branches) and used a
rooting hormone so that each 'tree' would eventually have it's own root system..

===

Another was my third tree... a dwarf hinoki.  I didn't really know what I was doing,
but a found one with a strange twisted trunk at a local nursery, and made a leaning
style bonsai out of it.  It's been gorgeous for almost 4 years now...  I guess that
occasionally it is better to be lucky than smart....


Tk

Ps  Biggest failure?   My first azalea...  bummer.
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: nhamer@alfred.carleton.ca (Nicola Hamer)
Subject: growing problems
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:11:30 GMT

I've just found this newsgroup. I've only had bonsais for a couple of
years and I've been getting my information out of books only, since
there are no bonsai stores where I live. Maybe some of you guys can
help me.
I have a little Fukien Tea. It is the first tree I bought, 2 years
ago. It seems happy enough - it flowers and is very bushy, but it
hasn't grown a single new branch since I've had it. Now, someone told
me that Fukein Teas grow slowly, but this is ridiculous. I fertilize
it with Pokon Bonsai fertilizer and I can't figure out what else to
do. Does anyone have any sugestions about why this thing never grows?
                                     NH. 
 
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: Re: Next project?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:34:05 GMT

Tom
My next project is a dwarf fuchsia. I have a very young and a slightly
woody cutting rooting now... should be ready in 4 weeks. However, I
haven't figured out the best style or styles to choose for this. Hope
to hear some suggestions.

David
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@med.ge.com (Michel Bartolone)
Subject: News feed problems...
Reply-To: bartlone@med.ge.com
Organization: GE Medical Systems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:05:46 GMT

Well, when it rains it pours...looks like I may be losing my news feed...the
local mamagment has decided that only groups with computer related
information, and the local business groups will be carried. This MAY not
happen, but my source is reliable. So, what I need is this..either some one
to stand up and take the FAQ (which would make me sad that I don't
have it anymore) OR a site on the usenet which is reachable via
telnet which will allow me to continue to read the group and maintain
the FAQ. The 'censorship' may/will/is supposed to start as early as Saturday!
Please contact me via e-mail if you can help me with this one.

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are interpreted as saying too much.....bartlone@gemed.ge.com

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai