HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: FZR600 Tire recomendations?
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:10:10 GMT

saidra@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Raoul Said) writes:
: 
: 	I want to start racing in the stock class this spring and am trying
: to figure out what tires will work best on my 1990 FZR600.  Someone told me
: to stay with the stock size for the best results.  Other than that I want
: a nice sticky sport/street compound.  I am thinking of Sportmax Radials because
: they are very cheap and Yamaha put them on their FZR600 Vance and Hines LTD
: Edition bike (so I assume they work o.k.).  I know some of you out there are
: racing FZR600's, so what do you think?  Thanks.

	Sorry, I don't have an FZR, I raced a CBR 600F. I used Metzelers
at first, and then was pursuaded by a friend to go with the 591r's. I love
them! Great tire. And on top of being better (IMHO) they are cheaper than
Metzlers. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
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Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles.racing:1354 ba.motorcycles:773
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CLASS discount
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun) writes:
|> Can someone loan me a pair of leather pants for this event? I'm a 
|> ladies size 10 or so. I have chaps but they are now requiring
|> full leathers. 

I believe that they also accept Aerostitch suits (or at least there
were a couple there the last time I went in April after the full
leather decree had come down).

					...jim
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: fennelli@access.digex.com (Michael Fennell)
Subject: Re: FZR600 Tire recomendations?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:40:56 GMT

In article <O4L8JDE@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>
>Can't comment on the FZR600, but I had the K591R on my GSXR. The handling
>dropped a lot compared to the ME1 or to the M59X. I would go with the ME1 or
>Michelin TX11. The ME lasts longer but they have a noticable kick-back
>effect on bumby tracks. (at least they had it on my CBR600F2).
>
>-Axel
>-- 
>fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
>GSXR1100 - RD350LCN - XR250R             God Must Be A Cowboy ... (Dan Seals)

	But which is faster around a race track?  Handling and lap times
are two different things.  You may not have liked the feel of the 591Rs
but I can't imagine anyone going around a race track faster on the M59Xs 
(unless it was raining).

Mike Fennell

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 22:33:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.201031.26112@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>Not that the first part has the least thing to do with motos, but:
>
>In Virginia, not only is it illegal for unmarried persons to have intercourse,
>but even oral sex between husband and wife is prohibited by law.  Granted,
>enforcement has been a bit lax, but still ...

	Sorta like Georgia, where, if you indulge in sodomy, they'll put
you in prison with men who will sodomize you...

>ObMoto: I just took the Castrol GTX out of the Seca after 1300 miles.  It
>looked really black, but with brown swirls through it (?).  The bike had been
>briefly warmed up before the change (but not ridden), and there seemed to be
>a lot of very small air bubbles in the oil as well.  Opinions?  Most of my
>riding of late has been shorter trips (of 10 or fewer miles).

	Brown swirls:  mayhaps the black crud and the halfway-okay oil had
stratified, then you mixed it up by warming up the bike, then that swirly
mess ended up in your catch pan?  Sounds reasonable to me.  As long as
you didn't see swirls of metallic glitter or swirls of white, you shouldn't
panic.  Bubbles in the oil is normal--any viscous liquid, when stirred up,
will have these, especially in a stirring environment as violent as an
engine!

ObBRP:  trip report is in the editing.  ETA soon now.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF  1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:30:20 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
 <1992Nov10.052544.26814@netcom.com> <daved.721409496@convex.convex.com> <1992Nov10.180413.27714@sei.cmu.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Nov10.180413.27714@sei.cmu.edu>, dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel
Bidwa) wrote:
> 
> Okay, so just what does "protected class" mean? CFV's been tossing the term
> around, and apparently it's caught on, so how about explaining just what the
> hell it means.
> 

One data point - until about 4 years ago, Minnesota had a 'protected
class' for Vietnam veterans applying for state jobs. In fact, Viet
vets got an extra point or three on tests for state positions.  Even
though I'm one of those vets, I think it's a stupid idea _considering_
other classes which are more obviously discriminated against.  Or was
it a 'reward' for having served.  It is not clear.

obmoto: What other class should be protected?  Why, long-haired, tatooed
bikers, that's who! ;-)

btw -- i'm surprised by how many persons on this list are revealing
that they are gay.  The percentage is approaching that of the Hells
Angels!  (no smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:45:44 GMT


In article <1992Nov06.214759.14338@gecko.uucp>, ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp writes:
|You have every right to your preference and I will respect that
|as long as you give the same respect to others. 

|BUT, don't go around bitching because the powers that be do not
|see fit to give you special treatment because of your choice.

Anti-discrimination laws attempt to END special treatment.
Special treatment from bigots includes denial of housing, denial
of employment, and denial of services.  When bigots stop giving
gay people (and racial minorities) special treatment, our
society won't need these laws.  Gay people shouldn't have to
fight to exercise the rights you take for granted, but they
do.  

|BUT, don't go around bitching because the powers that be do not
|see fit to give you special treatment because of your choice.

Homosexuality is no more a choice than heterosexuality is.
Get a clue.

---
cj@eno.esd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"Any respect I once had for Phil [Ngai], Phil [Ronzone], and Clayton 
[Cramer] has gone right down the toilet.  Libertarianism to them is an 
excuse to flaunt their own bigotry." --Ray Shea in *.politics 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Participate in the US Presidential straw poll!
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 15:18:08 GMT

Jonathan E. Quist (jeq@i88.isc.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov05.133907.678@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: 
: >Sidecar> Why do some Americans (ie Pres. Clinton et al) need to show that they
: >         came from England or other (lesser?) European (only joking) countries?
: >         It seems to me that it would be a lot better if they could prove that
: >         they were true Americans.  I hear that one has just been elected as a
: >         MP or whatever you call them.  When are you going to get one for
: >         dictat^H^H^H^H^H^Hpresident then?  (Perhaps you shot too many?)
: 
: I think it's a reaction to Bush's unprecedented rise in popularity during
: the War for Oil^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Persian Gulf War.  Clinton was just
: trying to link himself to one of the most successful large-scale invasion
: forces of the millenium.
: 
: -- 
: Jonathan E. Quist


Sorry, old boy.


Nick (the Biker With A Conscience) MAG 73516  DoD 1069  Redcoat uniform 


M'Lud.   <---- (Please note, other DoDers, this is just a bit of fun, it's 
                definitely NOT my surname!)   (Honestly, some people!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Big Fat Hairy etc.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:05:17 GMT

In article <4240@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@atc1.UUCP (Tod J Johnson) writes:
>	Thank-you for clearing this up for people who don't read with the 
>insight of yourself. I did in fact mean to insinuate that I had fallen out 
>of my big-mean-hairy-fat-raunchy-harley-fuckin-davidson characteristics,
>into that of a clean-cut-yuppie-unmanly-sensitive-squid. This latter des-
>cription is hardly the mold I fit into, as will my nedod and other dod
>aquaintances attest. 
>
Fookin' A Tad!

I detest! (Burp.) 
Pass me a Bud will ya?

-Jonh
============================================================================
            John S. Morris  #0316      Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
 "Have nothing that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful."
                                                 William Morris (1882)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Bikes Indoors (Was Re: SOMEONE TRIED TO STEAL MY)
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 21:53:12 GMT


>In the latest issue of WING WORLD (the GWRRA magazine) there are some
>Gold Wing owners (Obviously in the colder Climates) who bring their
>Gold Wing into their living room (in front of a large picture window)
>and go as far as decorating it for Christmas.

     It figures.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist H
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:58:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 7045@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>
>Now, re-read the statement you objected to, figure out why we're all
>snickering up our sleeves, and go home and have a beer.  On me, even.

But don't shake it up first.  Jonathan's wife *hates* it when he comes
home with those stains all over his shirt.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Not A Problem?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:19:12 GMT

In article <92Nov05.184404.10270@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

  [much interesting stuff deleted, comparing machines designed for killing 
   with machines designed for transportation]

>Oh, and whilst you are about it, look and see how many lives you
>could save by banning motorcycles. Shit, what's more important,
>"human life" or being allowed to ride a machine which can
>be conclusively demonstrated as unsafe.

Well, by gum! I thought some government agency or Consumer Reports would 
be worried about this, but in any case now that rec.motorcycles has 
identified that there's conclusive evidence that there are machines out 
there that are unsafe, it's time for us to spring into action!

Let's find these unsafe motorcycles - and GET THEM BANNED!!!!

And let's get the MSF to change the course materials so that people
get some warning! Wow. We're on to somethin' now.....

-John
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            John S. Morris  #0316      Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:54:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Help with an electrical problem
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:

*   	Hey, folks, I need some help with diagnosing an electrical
*   	problem with my 90 FJ1200.

*   	It seems to either be loosing charge, or not charging properly.
*   	But I dunno how to tell which it is.

*   	IT seems silly to replace the battery if I don't have to...

*   	Any suggestions as to how I should go about trying to figure this
*   	out? Or should I just slap a new battery in it and wait and see
*   	if that fixes it?

I could be the battery, or the regulator, or the alternator, or perhaps
something else.  The first thing to do is get a voltmeter and check
the battery voltage.  Check your manual for the exact numbers, but
it should be around 14 +-.5 volts if you rev it to 3,000 or 4,000 rpm.
It if is much lower you have a charging problem.  You could have a 
current drain when everything is shut off:  disconnect the negative
battery lead and check for current draw with the bike off.  Should
be zero, unless you have a clock or radio that draws a few (less than
10) milliamps.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-4168 work, (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-3844 fax, IT175, XT350, Seca 750
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: re: Uneven pavement
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 00:41:49 GMT

>My question is:  Is it really dangerous to go over something like that
>at high speeds?

     Yes. Or, more correctly, it can be. Sometimes you get lucky like
a freind of mine who was on a detour at night with no overhead lights.
When the detour returned to the highway, there was a (he claimed) 2 foot
dropoff (probably closer to 6 or 8 inches) that could not be seen in the
dark. He was going fast enough that pipes etc. were clear of the edge
before the bike dropped far enough to catch. If he had been going slower
he may have had a serious spill.

Ed Campbell
  '57 FL
  '76 XLCH
  '54 GA

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother, 1943
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From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Shaft effect, What is it?
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:07:27 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
]	Apparently in one issue of Cycle World, there is a side note
]	about a Bike Hacker being able to get rid of shaft affect by
]	placing a universal joint at both ends of the shaft...

must have been a REALLY old issue, BMW's have had double jointed drives
available for a while now.

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org                                 Austin, TX
"I don't believe in a risk free society, where the
 thrills of living are traded for the safety of existence." -- Nick Ienatsch
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:35:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.071302.13943@panix.com> bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>My wife rides with me as a passenger, usually on balmy summer weekends.
>She prefers to wear jeans and sneakers. I bought her a nice leather
>jacket, and a good helmet. She strongly resists wearing gloves, boots,
>or more protective gear.  She always wears a properly fitted, properly
>fastened helmet.
>
>Besides enjoying her company, I'm loathe to refuse to take her as a
>passenger due to her lack of protective gear for some of the same
>reasons I continue to ride. I feel she is aware of the risks, and she
>chooses to respond as she does.
>
>How do you deal with your passenger's clothing choices?
>

The following story, relayed to us by a MSF:RSS instructor about a friend of
his really shows the importance of proper protective wear for anyone on a
motorcycle. 

This guy was a fairly responsible motorcyclist, when ever he was on the bike he
always dressed the part, riding suit, gloves, helmet.  His girlfriend was a
model and being so, she tended to dress her part.  The two were on their way to
a party one evening, he dressed in his riding suit, gloves, boots, helmet; she
in her short black mini, spike heels, helmet.  They were exiting an LA freeway,
when they came upon a load of gravel a truck had lost across the offramp.  The
bike went down, the guy got up, only minor injuries, he went to check on his
passenger, who had died, not because of head injuries, but because of loss of
blood due to the fact that the majority of her skin was gone.  

We should value our passenger's safety as much as our own.  If they won't wear
at least jeans, jacket, and high-top footwear, helmet, don't let 'em ride.  I
would hate to have to deal with a memory like this.  

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:48:51 GMT

In article <9901067@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>My aplogies.  What I meant to say was: " So kindly put a cork in it.  This
>thread that is".  Jeesh.  What a bunch of post riding season whining.  Get
>a fix folks.                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Says who?  I just got my '93 FLHS this week and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let
a little cold weather stop me from riding it.  Ice maybe, cold weather, no way.
But, then again, in Dallas, it never stays that cold for that long.  Just helps
you wake up on the 20 mile ride to work in the morning. 

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
******************************************************************************
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Second Bear Mountain Trip Report
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:08:42 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu
Summary: group rides
Keywords: groups lost trip rain

In article <sysop.260.720458094@elan.glassboro.edu>
sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:
>     1.   What do you do when one of your group wants to ride 
>          differently (eg, more aggressively) than the rest?

If it's important to you to stay in a group, decide on
a specific meeting-place for the faster rider(s) to wait.

>     2.   Should a group split up when in unfamiliar territory?

What are the ties that make you a group?

>     3.   Does anyone else not like sharing their lane around
>          curves with another rider?

I don't like it, and I won't tolerate it unless I know and trust
the other rider and know that there's a reason for it.

>     4.   What do you do when you become separated from your
>          group?

Depends on what the group's overall plan and contingency plans
are.

>     5.   Should you temper your riding style when the rest of
>          the group is riding slower (or vice versa)?

If you want to stay with them.
 
>     6.   How could the incident above been prevented?

By asking the more-agressive rider to decide whether to be in
the group or not.  If he wants the security of riding in a
group, he has to compromise.  If he says "I'll stay here longer
and catch you later", it's his responsibility to find the
others, not theirs to wait indefinitely for him.

I've seen the "call the Highway Patrol" trick before:  "I'm
here and they're not, so it must be their problem".
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikes for candidates
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:04:47 GMT
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office

In article <9901073@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
|> In rec.motorcycles, faunt@dustbin.cisco.com (Doug Faunt N6TQS 415-688-8269) writes:
|> 
|> > I heard, on the radio, the tail end of a statement by the newly
|> > elected Senator from Colorado, a Native American, who said he had
|> > already put an order in for a new Harley.
|> > All statemnts in this message are suject to correction.
|> 
|> That would be John Nighthorse Campbell.  They showed a picture of him with
|> his new bike.  It's an obscenely large touring Harley with 200 pounds of
|> chrome.  It comes with a matching trailer.  Can you say conspicuous
|> consumption?  I wonder if he'll actually ride it.  

Damn! Now we find out what that 23% raise was for....

(i am aware that this is a NEW senator, and not one that 
 even could have voted for/against, it was a JOKE!)

Curt
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cops Suck!  Cops Suck!
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:15:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Nov11.204255.8167@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>My seester is a cop but that is in another town. YTMV.  
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>They do lie quite well though.
         ^^^

There's a nasty joke in there someplace, but who am I to besmirch the
reputation of a fellow biker's sister, no matter how cute her fanny is...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
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