HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Whether you like Clinton or not,...
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:06:42 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Jul22.193955.259482@cs.cmu.edu> dredish+@cs.cmu.edu (David Redish) writes:
]>>If you're pro-choice (I AM), no matter how low Clinton is on your
]>>totem pole, he's your ONLY electable choice.
]>
]On the other hand, expect the Court to be suddenly transformed
]by another Bush appontee.  Many decisions have been 5-4 recently,
]with the extra vote on the side of Blackmun. I think that was the point
]of the original poster.

My question of the "pro-choice" crowd... what makes you think that the
Supreme Court COULD take away your choice? I keep hearing that you folks are
in the majority. If so, you don't need the supreme court to protect you -
use the legislatures... so, which is it... is this a bogus issue, or are
you afraid that the majority of the people really don't agree with you?


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:38:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul22.191944.25888@leland.Stanford.EDU> coyote@leland.Stanford.EDU (The White Blackbird) writes:
>In article <BrssvJ.EGL@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>= In article <1992Jul22.144047.17337@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>= >[]
>= >Smith Corona has announced that it's shutting the doors on
>= >its Cortland, NY plant and moving all of its manufacturing
>= >operations to Mexico.  There will be *no* typewriter
>= >manufacturing left in the U.S. after the move occurs.
>= >
>= >Thanks, George.
>= 
>= 
>=    Look, with all due respect to George (Bush, I assume) (and
>=    I'll leave it up to the readers to decide how much respect
>=    that should be . . . )
>= 
>=    Why blame him for this?!
>= 
>
>Well, because the current tax structure actually rewards businesses
>for taking thier factories overseas.

    True enough.  For example, foreign labor is exempt from the 
    %15+ Social Security tax.  Replacing the SS tax with a sales
    tax would make it more of a level playing field for American
    companies, especially small and medium-size ones.

    Same can be said about the corporate tax.  The corporate
    tax rate in this country is over %30 (%34?), while the effective
    tax rate for Japanese corporations in the USA is ~%1.

>  The current tax structure is the Reagan-Bush baby.

    Wrong, this is a bi-partisan bastard.



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From: rdb147t@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Joel Hynoski)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:47:18 GMT

In article <axolotl.712304715@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> >Especially when they are manned by people like you and USA, who blatantly kidn
> >foregn citizens to stand in their courts, courts with the same sense of justic
> >like "contempt of court for even journalists who are trying to uncover truths"
>
>Yeah, it's a shame what they did to Derryn Hinch.

It's a shame a Malysian prince didn't TAKE Derryn Hinch......

>
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From: harsant@margana.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Telecom Research Labs,Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:40:09 GMT

In article <axolotl.712304715@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>
>Yeah, it's a shame what they did to Derryn Hinch.

Do you mean letting him out again? Or putting him back on TV?

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom (Australia) Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Something I'd like to see...
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:10:41 GMT

Kibo, giving a speech in Boston, proclaiming:  "It pleases me to announce
that I've just signed into law a bill which will outlaw Washington, D.C.
forever.  We begin bombing in 5 minutes."

Hail Leader Kibo!  Hail the Hell out of him!

Death to D.C.!  Long live HappyNet[tm]!!!
From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:26:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: The Glorious Constitution (was: [UPI] Supreme Court strikes down...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct

In alt.politics.correct, jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar) writes:

>         Relations among people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
>          ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: tony@disk.uucp (tony)
Subject: PC Jargon:  re "Dead"
Summary: New jargon to replace the word "dead."
Keywords: jargon, dead, metabolically, challenged
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:47:07 GMT

This is not original thinking on my part, I just read it in another 
newgroup and thought it belonged here.

It is no longer PC to refer to a deceased person as "dead."
The proper way to refer to them is, "metabolically challenged."


	-=- Tony Safina -=- disk!tony@uunet.UU.NET -=-
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: The PC Issue
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:34:21 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <1992Jul29.165031.13375@midway.uchicago.edu>
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
 
>
>S: But isn't the system based upon "Demand and Supply".  Actually I'm kidding
>(even though I am an economist, a marxist economist but still an economist).
>However there is some truth to the Demand and Supply stuff.  That IS how
>the system is designed. Also Maybe blacks and women wouldn't have gotten the
 
Marxist economist? Now *there's* a threatened species! As regards supply
and demand being "designed" into the system, well, I'd like to know
who "designed" it. Interestingly, in the 60s Marxist economists in the
USSR had a problem with a paradoxical- to them- finding: Prices kept
popping up in their models! But prices *can't* be determined by a market,
according to Marx! Only *labor value* can determine prices!
 
This was a problem. They solved it by keeping the prices in their models,
but calling them something else.
 
I mention this because something very similar is being attempted here: The
defining away of psychology as an artificial construct.
 
>S:  The constitution is a historical document which first and foremost
>states that all "men"  are created equal.  But I won't go into my issues with
>the constitution of the US but I will say that it is a document that has
>only limited "real" value in this day and age.  But I don't want to get into
 
This is the scary part. Which part is of limited value? The personal freedoms?
 
     [...]
 
>>    The First Ammendment to the Constitution is a wholly unsubtle document.
>> There are no escpae clauses, no "ifs" and no "unlesses."  We are all allowed to
>> express our opinions, and a person's _true_ responsibility is to let other
>> people do so.
>
>Is that really a person's "true responsibility"?  I don't think that it is
>"my responsibility" to sit calm while some skinheads in London shout out
>racist insults at me and the cops cant do a thing about it.  I prefer to
>push the responsibility off on the person expressing their opinions.
>Or maybe have that responsibility push on them by law. I mean
>come on.
>>
A wise person knows better than to demand other be judged by a rule that
he will himself be judged on. If you let the government decide that yelling
a racial epithet is an assault, maybe tomorrow yelling "down with the
government" will be a crime as well.
 
Why is it that publishing Penthouse is protected speech, but saying "women
are not more sensitive than men" is not? Odd, really.
 
>>
>As far as Dinesh D'sousa goes, it isn't hard to put forward justifications
>or arguments for just about anything.  To put it simply, I and my collegues
>(most at least!) disagree with him.
 
Indeed, that is about as simply as I can imagine it being put. And I am
not surprised.
 
         --mike
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: CSU at Northridge
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:34:52 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Another bit to liven up the group....

California State University at Northridge has rejected an offer from
the Sons of Italy to set of a scholarship for needy students of
Italian heritage.  You see, the school _strictly_ forbids scholarships
based on race or ethnicity - except for Native Americans, Hispanics,
and Blacks, of course.

Lord forbid a poor Italian should get an education.
-- 
Don't give someone a piece of your mind unless you can afford it.
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: What happens in 2000?
Keywords: politically correct
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:58:32 GMT

exubern@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>What happens when, in the year 2000, the so called minorities
>become majorities? OR vice-versa? Who will the laws apply to then?


Nothing.  "Minority," in the PC form it has become, doesn't mean a
minority.  Women are a majority, yet they are a "minority."  Minority
will continue to mean anyone who isn't white, male, and heterosexual.
You need all three, because it's not PC to claim that white women
are all racist scum.
-- 
I meant no harm by staying alive!  I only did it for a joke!
From: ams@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: The PC Issue
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:32:30 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul28.142752.25949@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
> Ironically enough (although to be expected) all the people that responded
> to the "What is PC?" posting earlier in a negative fashion were,
> assuming from their names, white 
> male ( & probably straight)!  Political Correctness is meant for the benefit 
> of the "oppressed", not insecure white males who feel threatened in their 
> quest for absolute power!

The wonders of modern technology never cease to amaze me. Not only can you
tell what colour somebody is from a terminal, you can tell what they like to do
in bed! News readers on this side of the Atlantic are unable to do this. Could
somebody please post a patch so that we can all share this breakthrough?

There was somebody with a similar idea on soc.culture.african-american a few
weeks ago; it's amazing how many people with European-sounding names are black.

All right then, not really all that amazing, but mildly surprising, at least to
some people. 

God alone knows what a heterosexual name looks like. 
I.M.Straight? Mustafa Girlfriend?


Michael
From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: I'm a white African American!
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:16:42 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada



   As a white South African male, I have every right to call myself
an African American, dammit! For that matter, so do white South African
females! 

   Sigh. Taking a break from being censored...

 
-- 
Richard J. Rauser       "You have no idea what you're doing."
rauser@sfu.ca           "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional 
WNI                        outlaws - we do this for a living."
--------
BANNED from alt.good.news! Censorship is alive and well on Usenet!
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: The PC Issue
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:22:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.142752.25949@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>Ironically enough (although to be expected) all the people that responded
>to the "What is PC?" posting earlier in a negative fashion were,
>assuming from their names, white 
>male ( & probably straight)!  Political Correctness is meant for the benefit 
>of the "oppressed", not insecure white males who feel threatened in their 
>quest for absolute power!

It's not surprising that the majority or all of the people who posted
here are white men (BTW, if you want to stay on the cutting edge of PC,
we prefer to be called men. Male is an adjective best not used as a noun).
The demographics of the net are overwhelmingly white and male.

Besides, the political correctness movement is in the self-interest of
women and blacks and hispanics. It would be asking a lot to expect
them to bite the hand that feeds them. 

Not that some of them don't. The most forceful and angry opponents
of PCness that I know are women. I guess you think they are insecure
in their masculinity as well.


-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
      There's something in my library to offend everybody.
        --- Washington Coalition Against Censorship
From: aviksroy@athena.mit.edu (Avik S. Roy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: The PC Issue
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:16:24 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) whines:

) God you must really be screwed up if you think listing off
) "prominent" western people who hate PC legitimizes your argument.  Think for
) yourself.  
) The system has primarily served white men.  Go see some income or education
) statistics to see that.  All PC calls for is to view the other parties
) with the same respect.  Something they have not received in the past in the
) US.  If your family has gone through major racism in the US, you in particular
) should know that PC is about one persons responsibility to another.  We are
) social beings you know.  But maybe you're the type that blames your family
) for the racism you faced and have therefore repress it  by taking the opposite
) position.

Maybe you're the type of person who is too lazy to get off his/her behind and
accomplish something in life, and feels that wailing about victimization is far
more fun.  It's people like you who have wrought misery among many members of
minority groups in the same way that Lenin and Stalin wrought misery among three
generations of Soviets.  The racial spoils system of "civil rights leaders" has
crippled blacks and other "victim" groups in this country, and continues to do
so, no thanks to PC apologists.

America remains the greatest nation in the world when it comes to equality of
opportunity for members of all races and both genders.  I challenge you to name
another country where there is as much opportunity for as many kinds of people.
From: tcox@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Tony Cox)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Question of Category
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:15:01 GMT
Organization: SSRL, Stanford, CA

In article <1992Jul24.215856.5575@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, briggs@jed.atmo.arizona.edu (William Briggs) writes:
# 
#   Perhaps someone can help me.  On a recent survey I was asked to fill out, 
# there was a blank to indicate race.  There were perhaps twenty choices.  Now this
# confused me.  I wasn't sure which to choose.  I did a little digging into my
# geneology and came up with this:
# 
#           Nearly equal parts: Polish, English, Irish, Cherokee, Austrian,
#                               French.
# 
#           A Smattering of God knows what else (relatives can't remember).
# 
#           Also, I was born in Detroit.
# 
#   What shall I call myself?  Thank you in advance for your courteous reply.
# 
#   matt briggs

I hate that stupid question. Seems to crop up all the time.
I always put "Mixed" when forced. Everyone is of mixed race - EVERYONE.

If they want to batter you into one of their stupid little boxes, then they
should ask a quantifiable question, such as skin albedo, nose width or
circumcision status.

Tony Cox, Stanford, CA
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Semantics
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:38:49 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

>      Since the word "politically" is an adverb that renders it's
> object, in this case the word "correct", in relative terms, how 
> is it that only left-of-center causes seem to be the ones called 
> "politically correct?"  Wouldn't the term apply to any 
> politically motivated behaviour that was consistent with the 
> particular political point of view of the person exhibiting the 
> behavior?

   To some degree yes, but think of it more as referring to an idea that wins  
political prestige amoung what in Britain is called "the chattering class" --
journalists and academicians.

   In the end, though, it is NOT a completely rigorous term;  it borders
somewhat on the side of idioms.

Max
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: What is "politically correct" ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:32:32 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

>> [...]
>> >   "-American."  Black is African-American.  Oriental is Asian-American. 
>> >Latino is Latin-American.  Some people now say Woman-American.  Anyone not
>> >using an "-American" term _must_ be racist, according to PC doctrine.  An
>> >important note:  whites are not European-American.  
>> 
> Please!!!! That should be Womyn-American (or is it Wimmen-American ?)


   i thought it was supposed to be Vagino-Americans


Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: The PC Issue
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:27:52 GMT

Ironically enough (although to be expected) all the people that responded
to the "What is PC?" posting earlier in a negative fashion were,
assuming from their names, white 
male ( & probably straight)!  Political Correctness is meant for the benefit 
of the "oppressed", not insecure white males who feel threatened in their 
quest for absolute power!

Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: What is "politically correct" ?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:28:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Brxz2L.4y4@world.std.com> jah@world.std.com (Jamal A Hannah) writes:
>PC is a label that was made up by opositional forces.

This is not true.  It was made up by more reasonable Progressives
to describe the rigid, intolerant, doctrinaire Progressive types.
The Right picked up the term later.

-- 
Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
mvp@netcom.com         | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
                       | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
                       | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: PC Jargon: re "Dead"
Keywords: jargon, dead, metabolically, challenged
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:49:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

tony@disk.uucp (tony) writes:

>This is not original thinking on my part, I just read it in another 
>newgroup and thought it belonged here.

>It is no longer PC to refer to a deceased person as "dead."
>The proper way to refer to them is, "metabolically challenged."

Yep, it's just another lifestyle choice....


>	-=- Tony Safina -=- disk!tony@uunet.UU.NET -=-

FoFP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: What is "politically correct" ?
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:29:54 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

dude@okcorrall writes:

> Please!!!! That should be Womyn-American (or is it Wimmen-American ?)

   Actually, we're both wrong.  Try Gyno-American.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: anton@gagme.chi.il.us (Andrzej Borowiec)
Subject: Re: What is "politically correct" ?
Originator: anton@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.033232.8891@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>> [...]
>>> >   "-American."  Black is African-American.  Oriental is Asian-American. 
>>> >Latino is Latin-American.  Some people now say Woman-American.  Anyone not
>>> >using an "-American" term _must_ be racist, according to PC doctrine.  An
>>> >important note:  whites are not European-American.  
>>> 
>> Please!!!! That should be Womyn-American (or is it Wimmen-American ?)
>
>
>   i thought it was supposed to be Vagino-Americans
>
>

This really is funny!
Now try substituting"Dogfood" for "American" in every case --
it gets hilarious.

Andrzej A. Borowiec
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: jah@world.std.com (Jamal A Hannah)
Subject: Re: PC
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:29:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.043652.2910@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WHAT'S A MATTER YOU?) writes:
>	As you might have guessed, I have liberal tendencies. But
>when someone tries to be PC around me I feel like...doing something
>extremely tastless and rude. 

How can you have 'liberal' (broad-minded) tendencies when you say
that you feel like doing rude or tasteless things when someone else is
'PC'?  Sounds closed-minded and reactionary.

But, I'll give you a break here.  I assume you mean that you hate it when
minorities are intolerant about anything that arbitrarily offends them, even
to the point of being ridiculus. (that seems to be repeatedly the "reason"
against whatever "PC" is, though in real life I havenever come up against
"a barrage of confusing PC self-definitions spawned by every fringe group".
Sorry.. it just aint hapenin.  Its still a fantasy.

YEah, I found the term "Physically challenged" to be kinda silly when I 1st
heard it.. but I gave it some time and grew to like it.  Have I sinned?
SHould my mind be reprogrammed because I decided I liked a certain phraze,
and might use it in the future? Gasp!  How horrid!

You might be a bit more spacific about what "PC" things burn you up.
If you are refering to ethnic groups who celebrate their deversity with their
ways of talking or their art.. that sounds a bit unfair... if you mean being
"punished without a trial" for things you've said and done, well that bears
a bit more merit.    The "Anti-PC" folks out there that strike me as a bit
strange are the ones who go around tearing down advertisemnents that have
minorities depicted in them.. or burning Social Service Information Booklets
and such.  Coming up with reasons why this is harming them personaly takes
some amount of imagination.

 - Jamal

-- 
+-----------------------------------+
| jah@world.std.com                 |
 \                "Jah, mon."       /
  +--------------------------------+
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From: aviksroy@athena.mit.edu (Avik S. Roy)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth Review-glorifying
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:39:27 GMT

fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco) writes:

) My sentiments exactly. Harvard could never rival Dartmouth on this one.
) You know what they say, that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
) 
) Andrew C. Fusco '90

While the Dartmouth Review has contributed quite a bit to collegiate
conservatism, ascribing every original thought in the last twelve years to the
thing is a bit of a stretch.
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