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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2868

                          Thursday, August 13, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                          Patching Into Phone Lines
                                 Hearing Aid
                          Attagirl!!!!          1/
                          Attagirl!!!!          2/
                          Implants and Hearing Aids
                            DEAF CULTURE - PART 2
                              Re: DEAF CULTURE
                            SHHH report-captions
                                Wonderful!!!
                                Deaf Culture


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Subject: Patching Into Phone Lines
From: Jim.Brown@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Brown)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/98 - The SCAM, Rockledge FL


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

DL>  But wouldnt ADA provisions now in effect require Hotels etc to have to
DL>  accomodate you?

DL>    If they DONT, they are then in hot water.
True, but it is going to take time to retrofit every phone in every
hotel room.  And you KNOW some hotels are going to take the "Make me"
attitude.  My way works "now" and will until all comply.
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Subject: Hearing Aid
From: Rick.Catania@f22.n230.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Catania)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:230/22 - The Special Needs B, Whiting IN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

         A FUNNY LOOK AT HEARING AIDS
         By: Jerel Bernhart

              One of the "rites of passage" of many people with
         hearing loss is their adjustment to hearing aids.
              First, we must endure the well intentioned (?)
         audiologists safely tucked behind the insulated window who
         blast our ears with various frequencies and volumes (usually
         starting at 500 db) asking sweetly, "Can you hear that?"
              If I'm still conscious, I usually manage to say, "No,
         but the vibration damned near killed me!" Next, they do a
         tympanogram. That's a test which they shove a plug into your
         ear (sometimes with a ramrod once used for loading cannons)
         and apply air pressure and then measure how far your eyes
         bulge out (this same machine is also used for inflating truck
         tires). If you were not hearing impaired when you went into
         the office, you certainly are when you leave.
              Once all of the tests are completed, the friendly
         audiologist (note, the word "friendly" is used
         interchangeably with its close cousin, "fiendish") next takes
         an "impression" for the earmold. This procedure involves
         going out in front to the guys laying a new sidewalk and
         borrowing twenty pounds of wet cement. They insert this in a
         large syringe, wrench your ear in various directions to
         create a larger passage (use of pliers is not unheard of),
         and inject the contents into the ear canal until: (1) comes
         out of your nose, or (2) comes out of your other ear,
         whichever comes first.  Many audiologists have been known to
         dance with glee and "high five" people in the waiting room if
         they can get both to happen.
              You then sit for three hours, waiting for the cement to
         dry and wondering how they are going to get it out. Your
         question is answered when the audiologist walks in with a
         miniature jackhammer and crowbar and begins to "gently"
         remove the impression. ("Impression" actually means the hole
         in your head where your ear once was.)
              Next, the audiologist begins to show you all the makes
         and models of hearing aids. They use terminology not unlike a
         used car salesman: "This baby goes 0-105 db in 5 seconds!"
         "Do you want an automatic or straight stick with the 'T'
         switch option?" "It's guaranteed for 3 years or 30,000 db,
         whichever comes first." "...And for just $500 more, we will
         give you this piece of plastic to park this honey when you're
         not wearing it!"
              Finally, you get the earmold and the hearing aid all
         put together and arrange financing in easy monthly payments
         (until you are 92), and you are off into the hearing world,
         running up to total strangers saying, "Talk to me!"
              You still can't understand them, but for the price
         you've just paid, you don't want to admit it. There is a
         direct correlation between the cost of a hearing aid and how
         much a hearing-impaired person tries to "bluff" with hearing
         people.

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Subject: Attagirl!!!!          1/
From: Roberto.Ramos@f71.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Roberto Ramos)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/71 - BitStream, Round Rock Tx


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

HB>You know something Ann? I've known a few people (hearing people) that
HB>took signing classes for one reason... because they REAlLY were
HB>attracted by ONE thing only; the MYSTERY of it.

I and many other hearing people I know are attracted by the language of
ASL and Deaf people as a group. Does this mean our fascination is only
self-serving mystery? As a scuba diver, I like being able to communicate
at will under water too. After hearing very derogatory remarks by
hearing people while in the presence of my Deaf friends, I'm not too
sure about how much more decent hearing society is than the Deaf.

HB>I KNOW that a lot of people who take signing classes, do it for this
HB>reason only.  They think it's really mysterious to see two people
HB>signing and they know that those two people are *talking* to each
HB>other in english but they STILL can't understand them.  That's where the
HB>mystery (for THEM ONLY) come from.

There is such a thing as appreciating ones own and other people's
culture. I got the same fascination when I heard two people speaking
Chinese.

HB>....The ones that think that Deaf Culture is really *cool* or *keen*
HB>or whatever, would change idea if tomorrow morning they became
HB>completely deaf... There only love would turn back to the culture
HB>they had.... and that they lost forever.... Those who have never
HB>heard in their lives think that they really need a culture for
HB>themselves for the simple reason that they don't even know about the
HB>only culture that exists in the UNIVERSE..... the culture of the
HB>majority... the Culture of the Living Human Being.  To put ourselves
HB>aside from this majority means we simply do not accept it... And the
HB>reason for this is probably because we cannot adopt to it....or maybe
HB>we don't feel like fighting (or too weak to fight...) to be part of
HB>it......

I know a fair number of late deafened people, especially one in
particular. He was deafened in his teens, I think. I also know a good
number of born and early deafened people. I share these posts with them.
They think that certain people just can't accept that they've outgrown
pining to be hearing. They like themselves just the way the are. What
they don't like is pity. I made the mistake of pitying them a while
back. They quickly told me what I could do with my pity. They also hate
people pre-judging them. I used to butt heads with Jim on his views.
Finally, he told me to just log onto this echo then come back and judge
him again. I think I'm starting to see what he was trying to say. I
don't think appreciating another culture means giving up your own
or becoming deaf or Oriental or whatever. Or being loss forever. It's
just appreciation and nothing else. History shows that humanity at
its worse when a majority or dominant society imposes its collective
will on a minority or non-dominant group. Hitler's Germany and the Jews,
Europeans in Africa, Europeans in North and South America, the
Soviets and Eastern Europe, Brazillians and the forest Indians, and
Catholics versus protestants in Europe, USA later. It seems there is a
vendetta against letting people be themselves if they so choose to be.
It never means such people are ignorant of a majority or dominant
culture or excluded from "Living Human Being." The relationships between
two preclude this.

HB>There will always be one, and ONE ONLY culture for me... and if it was
HB>so for EVERYBODY, then the world would be much better off...

There is nothing in the world wrong with this as far as your own choice.
Does it have to  mean Deaf people must be denied the same privilege of
having their own choice? Your way is the only right one? If we darker
skins who are the real majority of planet Gaia (that's Earth), decided
to force all others to have skin darkening injections and follow our
customs, would this be acceptable? Probably not because people are very
self-righteous about their own way of life. They should be. It's theirs.
Unfortunately, too few of us respect this and persist in putting down
other groups and their ways. For this cause we fight wars, get into
arguments, hate, and goodness knows what else. Jim once asked a "think
hearing" deaf person, "Why not try finding positive things to say about
one another's cultures and lifestyles? We might discover there's less
bad to say about them. We might even gain some self-respect as a
result." I watched this person laugh at curse Jim and then call him
an idiot. Jim responded with a, "Well, maybe we can be friends anyway."

HB>Your opinion is shared bythe majority of deaf people I'm quite sure I
HB>didn't say Deaf, but deaf!!!).  WE (deaf) are the only ones that KNOW
HB>what BOTH are really about!!!

This is a very conceited statement. Most deaf people I know have a
live and let live attitude. Your statement above is egocentric. Such
putdowns encourage the Deaf and the deaf to continue to go at each
other's throats. Is it necessary? Why such hatred against the Deaf
group? The Deaf are very aware of the "other" side. So much so, they are
justicably wary of it as experience has taught them to be.

HB.Oncethe Deaf will understand that we (deaf) are where THEY are and
HB>that we WERE WHERE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN BEFORE, then maybe they will
HB.very seriously think about what they MIGHT BE MISSING by shutting
HB>themselves out in their only world...
>>> Continued to next message
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Subject: Attagirl!!!!          2/
From: Roberto.Ramos@f71.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Roberto Ramos)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/71 - BitStream, Round Rock Tx


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

>>> Continued from previous message
Americans brought Indian chiefs to Washington and other metropolitan
centers back in the 1800's. The idea was to show Indians how much
better off "Pale Faces" were than the Red Man. That the Red Man
had no hope of holding on to his ways. Plus intimidate them into
signing treaties to legalize genocide and land-grabbing. In short the
idea is exactly what you're saying here. Come over to our way of life
because yours is unfit, inferior, of no value, and totally worthless.
     I mean no disrespect, and I sincerely mean that; I must say your
statement above is really scary. I read an excerpt from a book by a
white supremist once that had almost these same lines. The only
difference is that it was directed at Caucasians who did not
embrace the supremist way of thought. I don't want to believe that
a parallel philosophy is being pushed here. It's downright scary.
With views like this, little wonder that Jim and other Deaf people are
so full of ire. You won't believe the wars he and I had over the role of
ASL, Deaf Culture, and deafness in general. He insisted on bringing me
to meetings and places to see how Deaf people are REALLY perceived by
others especially educators. Public and private views by such groups are
unbelievable. He all but demanded that I log on here to get the non-Deaf
views before I judged him. He felt that as a Hispanic, I'd get the gist
of it rather quickly. I'm loathe to say that I'm quickly beginning to
understand why. It saddens me.

HB>Yes, isolated we feel from both.  BUT we are still going to stay and
be HB>part of the one we lost, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO STAY PART OF
HB>IT.

There's nothing wrong with this for yourself. Some just don't care that
much for it. I like being Hispanic. I wouldn't want to be anything else.
Some people prefer being Deaf too.

HB>How about the mystery side of it? Maybe he should sit back and try to
HB>ask himself WHY he want's to learn sign language... A lot is
HB>confirmed in his last sentences... "I have surpised myself on a
HB>couple of occasions because I was REALLY able to communicate in sign!
HB>I want to sign, not to set myself apart, but to allow myself to
HB>experience more." The mystery comes out that he is SURPRISED that he
HB>can REALLY communicate in sign.... And he even add's MORE.... that he
HB>want's to sign to "allow myself to EXPERIENCE more" !!!  Therefore,
HB>it is quiteeasy to see that he is attracted by it due to the mystery
HB>of *speaking english without even saying one word*.  WHY would he
HB>want to EXPERIENCE

I'm beginning to be anxious to master ASL as a step toward understanding
why there is such underlying hatred and resistance to it by certain
groups of people. Still, my basic interest is due to my fascination with
the language and its people. Same thing with my fascination for the
Chinese. I didn't do well with the language, but I liked the food.
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Subject: Implants and Hearing Aids
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

This echo has experienced discussions of the appropriateness
of Cochlear Implants for deaf children.  Some has been quite
emotional.  Some, especially following release of the NAD's
"White Paper" condemning implants for children, has bordered
on hysterical with talk of "ripping open children's heads".

So maybe you would like to know a few facts.  The following
is an excerpt from an article in "The Hearing Journal" by
Dr. James B. Snow, Jr., Director of The National Institute
on Deafness and other Communication Disorders (NIDCD).

  "NIDCD is currently supporting a longitudinal study of
  prelingually deaf children comparing the benefits of
  cochlear electrical stimulators, vibrotactile aids, and
  acoustic hearing aids in the development of spoken language.
  Preliminary results indicate that the cochlear implant
  provides an advantage in speech perception after 12 months
  of use.  Performance of implant subjects was significantly
  better than that of hearing aid or vibrotactile aid subjects
  at 12, 16, 24, and 28 months after implantation.  After
  three years of training, both the tactile aid patients and
  the cochlear implant patients showed significant improvement
  over hearing aid patients in expressive vocabulary and
  syntax development."

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Subject: DEAF CULTURE - PART 2
From: Betty.Mcbroom@f27.n3615.z1.fidonet.org (Betty Mcbroom)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3615/27 - TN Deafness I N BBS, Knoxville TN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

LG>I have three main things to say about your messsage.  (1)I do not feel
LG>threatened by the deaf.  I myself am physically deaf (though not culturally
LG>deaf) -- and I know from my own experiences that it is a HORRIBLE handicap -
LG>and the born deaf do not feel the terrible loss that I feel simply because
LG>they do not know any better -- they have no idea what they are missing.  (2)

        Laurel, my husband became deaf at age nineteen.  He could hear
        up until that point.  He misses music too.  He wishes he could
        hear our children's voices.   He doesn't think I should
        associate only with hearing people -- nor does he.   He doesn't
        put me down because I don't care about music. Ironically, I hear
        enough with a hearing aid to have the car radio on to get some
        beat in the car.

LG>When I said the "human animal", I was not referring to deaf people as
LG>animals.  It is a common expression that you must not have enccountered --
LG>and it is used simply to accept the fact the human beings have instincts jus
LG>like dogs and cats.

        I'm used to the expression.  It didn't seem to fit the message
        you were typing.

LG> (3) About deaf people not rushing to get cochlear
LG>implants -- I have heard the story of a teenage girl who really wanted to ge
LG>a cochlear implant, but all of her deaf friends threatened to stop speaking

        Teenagers!  Ah -- the power of peer pressure.  I have two
        hearing teenagers in the house and I work with many.
        Teens have an inner need to conform to their peers. <g> Have
        you heard the same story about ADULTS?  I've never heard of any
        Deaf adult threatening to refuse to talk to anyone who got their
        hearing back.  One of the funniest and most respected women I
        ever met (in Rochester, NY) grew up deaf, got 100% of her
        hearing in adulthood and was a professional interpreter for
        awhile.  A chapter about her in a book says "being a hearing
        person for a decade did not make her happy."

LG>to her if she did -- So much for the great tolerance of deaf people.

        And today I read an article about an elderly man who shot and
        killed a cochlear implant doctor (June 25 in Michigan).
        The patient had been seeking treatment for three years.
        As you say ..... so much for the great tolerance of deaf people.

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Subject: Re: DEAF CULTURE
From: Fran.O'gorman@f94.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Fran O'gorman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/94 - Monroe Electronic M, Monroe NY


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Laurel,

 LG> I agree that there can be good ways and bad ways to retain a folk
 LG> culture.

I guess you're referring to my msg to Jim Brown in which I said
retaining traditions and such is good as long as the group doesn't
become exclusive, am I right?

 LG>  But I do not believe that all questions of good and bad
 LG> are purely relative, and that it just depends on what culture you
 LG> belong to.

I'm trying to think of what I said that made you say this?  I
don't think it depends on which culture it is either (whether it's
'good' or 'bad') just that cultures should not exclude
others....otherwise my msg was advocating the preservation of
cultural diversity where possible.

 LG>  What I am going to say may sound very racist, but it
 LG> is a question I would like to discuss.  Blacks say we have to
 LG> accept their Black culture.  But then they say it is "white" to
 LG> get good marks at school and study and get a steady job and marry
 LG> and have legitimate children.  Then I am supposed to be a willing
 LG> victim to crime, because that is "Black culture", and I am
 LG> supposed to spend my hard earned money supporting another woman's
 LG> illegitimate children, because it is "white" to work or to get
 LG> married.  What kind of sense does this make?

What you're saying here has nothing to do with culture or
traditions in the sense I was talking about at all... you're
referring to racial stereotypes.  Plenty of blacks get good marks
in school, have stable homes and marriages, etc.  The kind of
stuff you're talking about is endemic to inner-city economically
blighted people whose problems BTW cross color and ethnic lines
ALOT...  actually nowadays it is not just an urban thing either...
here in Orange County we see a certain am't of this also, and this
is mainly a rural small town area.

When I spoke of traditions, heritage and culture I was talking
about things like... well, for an example, Black people are more
expressive and sing alot in Church and I think that that is a neat
thing... now if the existing majority culture were not so
demonstrative, the new group might feel a need to repress that
style of doing things and I think that it's nicer to keep the
variety and keep ethnic practices alive.  That's all I was
saying...and the singing in Church is just an example I'm using
now.

I sure hope you don't view the bad welfare system as the fault or
'tradition' of Black folk... if anything it's the fault of the
economically empowered (predominately) white political machine to
provide a band-aid fix to a problem that runs deeper and needs
more fundamental steps to cure.  As the ranks of homeless and
unemployed increase you'll find this phenomenon that you describe
very much closer to your (and my) doorstep and their ancestral mix
may very well be 'white' in the WASP sense...

Also the lifestyle of crime and poverty that you describe is not
something that is touted as 'black' or ever upheld as cool and
good; where it exists it's a life of desperation where the normal
things have not been in place... I don't think if you spoke to
people in the grip of drugs, crime, or poverty that they would
advertise this as a great way to live.

The welfare system is a mess and needs revamping and it's easy to
look at the deficit and then look at the welfare system and see it
as the culprit.  But if you look at all the scandals in Washington
and the whole picture of federal spending you'll see the welfare
problem is only a small tip of the icebergh in representing the
expenditures of your overtaxed dollar.

--Fran

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Subject: SHHH report-captions
From: Betty.Mcbroom@f27.n3615.z1.fidonet.org (Betty Mcbroom)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3615/27 - TN Deafness I N BBS, Knoxville TN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Karen-

        Thanks for all the time you put into typing the report.  Very
        interesting reading.  Made me wish I had gone too <g>

KK> evaluate two
KK>sets of captions on two different TVs to indicate which we liked
KK>better.  They used clips from popular TV shows like Murphy Brown
KK>     --the captions prefaced with the name of the speaker.
KK>     --Varying the colors of the caption letters
KK>     --Varying the caption typefonts

        Interesting survey you participated in!  Did they ask about the
        speed of the captions?

        When we visited Ireland (a group of 34 deaf) -- we found
        there was a Deaf Club in Dublin and persuaded our bus driver to
        take us there one evening.  Bus driver (British) and tour guide
        (Irish) were reluctant because it was in a "bad" part of town,
        but they agreed because they saw how important it was for us.
        They told us they'd stay ten minutes then leave  ---- they felt
        the Irish deaf wouldn't accept us and that we wouldn't like the
        neighborhood.

        We walked into this Club and were welcomed with Open Arms once
        the Irish realized we were Deaf too.  Finally we told our bus
        driver and tour guide 10 minutes wasn't enough, for them to come
        back in three hours (when the place closed!).

        That was one of the most enjoyable evenings -- totally
        unplanned.  Our fingerspelling was different, and some signs
        were different too -- so we struggled at first with the
        communication using lipreading <g> and the topic of
        conversation at first was "how do you sign father?" "how do you
        sign numbers like 1 2 3?"

        There was a t.v. running in the room with closed captions
        (Finally got to the topic) ---  captions were colored depending
        on who was speaking  (yellow captions for one character,  blue
        for another,  white for the narrator).
                                              b
 ~ OLX 2.1 TD ~ Clues captioned for the mystery impaired

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Subject: Wonderful!!!
From: Hugues.Blanchet@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Hugues Blanchet)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/136 - Ab.'s Place, Montreal PQ


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Dearest Laurel....

LG>Before I lost my hearing, I was a music lover, and sometimes I think
LG>of the outdoor summer concerts in Philadelphia's Robin Hood Dell.  I
LG>think of the warm summer nights and the Philadelphia Ochestra and
LG>David Oistrakh playing Beethoven's violin concerto, and I cry.  Then
LG>I think of the sound of the rain on the roof and the wind in the
LG>treetops and the surf on the beach, and I cry again.  Then I pick up
LG>a magazine and I read some idiot telling me what a wonderful
LG>"culture" it is to be deaf..

Absolutely MARVELOUS Laurel!!!  I've VERY RARELY read something that
EXPLAINS SOO PERFECTLY, IN SUCH meaningful WORDS, how I feel about the
Deaf Culture also!!!

The exact truth comes out of those who KNOW what BOTH are about!!! Those
who are only hearing don't know about deafness (and it's a GOOD thing
for THEM!!!) and Deaf people (the born deaf) don't know ZILCH about
sounds (hearing).  As for US, we have lived BOTH, and it is therefore
absolutely VERY LOGICAL that WE are the ones that REALLY know the value
of DEAF CULTURE.

I'm Deaf... but NEVER will I be part of the Deaf Culture because it
would be just the same as to accept LESS of life (it's DEGRADING!) and I
will NEVER accept less of my present and futur life even though I'm
Deaf!!!

Thanks Laurel for an absolutely FANTASTIC post!!!

Tres grande amitie,

Hugues

LG>--- TMail v1.30.4
LG> * Origin: U.S. Telematics, Yardley PA (215)493-5242 (1:273/201)

 * SLMR 2.1a * NOTHING is as soothing as deliverance.......
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Subject: Deaf Culture
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

*** Quoting Jim Brown to Ann Stalnaker ***

 JB> I have been puzzling over this topic since I first asked about the
 JB> difference between deaf and Deaf.  I am not hearing impaired so I
 JB> thought I must be missing something.  I truly do not understand why Deaf
 JB> want to set themselves aside from the rest of the community.

Jim, they do it because they want it that way.  I feel like you do,
especially since the minority is those from the Deaf Culture, that
we all should be just one group.  In fact, why have groups?  It
is our place to mingle and educate those who are not familiar with
hearing impairments.

Even though I am profoundly deaf, I've always been a part of the
hearing world and have never felt left out or isolated.  I've never
felt I had to belong to a group but I do enjoy belonging to SHHH
because I feel they have so much to offer us and they have no
barriers like some other organizations do.

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