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From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: One more time on this (AA spokesperson)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.231643.17137@en.ecn.purdue.edu> oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.060759.2975@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.234433.17795@en.ecn.purdue.edu> oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro) writes:
>>>You are talking about first generation Asian Americans, aren't you?  The
>>>explanation seems quite obvious to me.  They have not gained the "cultural
>>>experience" necessary for the appreciation of humor in America.  Humor is
>>>often based upon subtleties of expression.  In turn, these subtleties are
>>>based upon American culture.  Just because an immigrant understands English  
>>>on a technical level, it does not mean that he understands the culture which
>>>surrounds the language.
>>
>>Actually, these people have said that they don't understand jokes in their
>>native language, either.
>
>Maybe something gets lost in the translation. (So what's new. :-))
>They can certainly appreciate a joke from their native land told in their 
>native tongue.  After all, they do seem to understand what a joke IS.
>
>>>Anyone ever hear of the claim that if it wasn't for Mark Twain there wouldn't
>>>have been any humor in ninteenth century America?  Anyone ever hear the claim
>>>that the Jewish people brought humor to America?
>>
>>No.  Nor do I have enough knowledge about eighteenth century America to
>>determine whether you meant this is true or just a saying.
>
>I'm not sure about the validity of these claims.  I heard about them in a 
>PBS special on Jewish humor.  The reason I presented these claims in my
>article was to show that Asians are not the only people who have been accused
>of lacking a sense of humor.

Oh, boy!  I'm really showing my lack of communication skills here :-(  I am
not accusing Asians of lacking a sense of humor.  I do happen to know people
who simply do not get jokes, either in English *or* their native tongue, from
the U.S. or their native country.  (They have told me this.)  Not having a
large sample of people from Asia, I was simply wondering if this is common,
or would these people be unusual in their own countries for this trait.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Engineers (was Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English)
Organization: /u/mday/.organization
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:03:53 GMT

   tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
   ->>mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
   ->>   kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
   ->>   > tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
   ->>   >Just because you don't score say 500 on SAT English does not mean you can't
   ->>   >be successful in college.  It doesn't mean you can't be a good engineer
   ->>   >either.
   ->>
   ->>   Of course not.  Just as you can be a good engineer despite lacking
   ->>   communication skills.  But gaining those skills can make you an even better
   ->>   one.  
   ->>
   ->>Do people really think this is true?
   ->>
   ->>A lot depends on what we mean by a "good" engineer.  Sometimes people
   ->>think that a good engineer is someone who, working alone, gets the
   ->>right answer to a problem.  Unfortunately, for real engineers this
   ->>skill is much less important than understanding an ill-formed problem,
   ->>solving a problem with a team of other people, and convincing others
   ->>to accept the solution.

   Well, I don't think it's up to you to define "real" engineers.  

This is a peculiar criticism coming from someone who felt free to
generalize about "good" engineers and their verbal skills.  What
credentials do you think I need to have before I say something about
the difference between engineering school and engineering practice?

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: mds4101@rigel.tamu.edu (SZETO, MARVIN DEAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: For UNDERDOG : Some dark points in U.S. history (was China never as
	 prosperous as Europe)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:41:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Mr. Joe seems to be neglecting my posts lately.  Perhaps my style of argument
frustrates him more than his methods irritate me.  Anyway, as I have said 
before, China has never been as prosperous as the U.S. today.  However, in 
order to achieve its current status it has resorted to devious behavior.  Some
examples I thought of are:
1)  Treatment of Native Americans (i.e. Indians)
2)  Mexican-American War fought for slavery
3)  unhustifiable cause of Spanish-American War

1)  The U.S. has treated indians (I won't use the PC term Native American) very
poorly.  First they illegally pushed the Indians west.  After all, the Indians
were here first.  What right did American settlers have to push them off land
they had lived on for centuries?  Then they broke many of the treaties signed
with Indian nations in order to get more land.  This resulted in bloody Indian
wars in which many Indians were massacred (read about the slaughter at Wounded
Knee) and then forced to live on reservations.  I've heard that life on 
reservations is horrible: alcoholism is rampant, unemployment is very high, and
Indians can't get an equal education to better their place in society.

2)  The Mexican-American war was fought for pro-slavery groups.  The first
settlers in Texas agreed to follow Mexican anti-slavery laws.  Later settlers
wanted to bring in slaves and this resulted in the war for Texas independence.
After Texas was admitted to the Union, there were territorial disputes over 
land.  The U.S. fought Mexico in order to protect the rights of Texans to own
slaves.  But remember that the Texans broke their promise not to own slaves.

3)  The Spanish-American war was fought because the U.S. believed that the 
U.S.S. Maine was bombed in Cuba.  Many scholars believe the incident on the 
Maine was an accident and there was no bomb.  As a result of this war, the 
U.S. gained the Phillipines, Guam, and Puerto Rico.

What do these examples show?  They show that the U.S. has treated Inidans
ruthlessly and cruelly, the U.S. fought Mexico for the right to maintain slaves,
and the U.S. needlessly declared war on Spain over an accident.

What did the U.S. gain from these incidents?  Probably all of the U.S. west of 
the Mississippi river and Guam and the Phillipines.

Why are these examples important?  They show that the U.S. has mistreated 
various groups in the past in order to gain land.  Just think of what the U.S.
would be like if it never owned the land west of the Mississippi or Guam or the
Phillipines.  (Please remember that Guam and the Phillipines were important
naval bases in WWII.)

In summation, the U.S. is now in a position of power and influence, but used
unscrupleous methods to get there.

Marvin Szeto 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tdwu@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:49:32 GMT



Dwight Joe writes:

>> My Chinese [strictly in the genetic sense] friend also said that LA's
>> Chinatown is just as bad, if not worse.


In article <22624@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:

>  I'm heartened to hear that you have Chinese [strictly in the genetic
>  sense] friends. Judging from s.c.a.a, your atttitude won't exactly
>  win you too many Chinese friends, genetic or otherwise. 


A better response would have been:

What?  You have a friend?

-------------------------
Thomas Wu
tdwu@mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tdwu@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas Wu)
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
	<1992Apr16.152833.28237@nynexst.com> <1992Apr16.180523.18422@rice.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:10:04 GMT


In article <1992Apr16.152833.28237@nynexst.com>
clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
   >  Hey I didn't say anything about Seattle.  And my son is very-young (14
   >  months), very-single (no girlfriends), and *very-male*.

Well, I guess he needs to build up his self-esteem and ask more female
toddlers out!  :-)


In article <1992Apr16.180523.18422@rice.edu>
kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
   Hey... I know a very-single, friendly, and cute 5-month-old girl I could
   set him up with :-)

But he's almost three times her age!  He should wait 4 months; then
he'll only be twice her age.  :-)

-------------------------
Thomas Wu
tdwu@mit.edu
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: re Asian American Food (?)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 20:12:00 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <1992Apr1.150407.20595@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:
!In article <kthbrvINNlb1@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop therefore I AM!!) writes:
!>
!>Pseudo-Asian dishes: fortune cookies and "Chinese" chicken salad. I think
!>both of these are of American origins.
!>
!>	Melinda
!
!Another question that I had was "who invented fortune cookies?" --
!might be triva, but I've always wondered.
!

Jack N the Box or Kentucky Fried Chicken has the "Oriental Chicken Combo"..

Gary
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The War in 2020 (was US military policy)
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:17:01 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <1992Apr9.161534.14433@cs.yale.edu>
yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin) writes:

>viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>... the Nobel prize is given in the name of the man who
>>invented TNT, declaring that he has discovered a substance so
>>powerful that it would end warfare because it was just too powerful
>>and would make the cost in lives too great.
>
>Well, do you see war between civilized countries any more?  I think Nobel was
>right.  It just took the rest of the human race a hundred years or so to
>realize it.

I think you're being rather optimistic. The world went to war against Iraq
last year. Wars of that nature will prob'ly happen for the remainder of our
lifetimes. World Wars, as in WWI WWII, I don't see them in the cards any
longer.
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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Engineers (was Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English)
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:26:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr17.183142.25032@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
->In article <122740@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->>Well, I don't think it's up to you to define "real" engineers.  IMO,
->>As long as an employer finds an engineer is worth what he's paying for,
->>he must be a "real" engineer.
->
->Unfortunately, there are so few qualified people that many employers are
->having to train less-than-qualified people.  (I've forgotten the reference,
->so don't ask me for it.)

You are kidding.  With so many engineers getting laid off, and a lot
of them have good communication skills, how can employers have a hard
time finding qualified people?

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM (Jane Woo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Will America fall?
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:30:38 GMT
Reply-To: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: woobaby.ebay.sun.com

>>As I've said before, the model minority concept might apply to
>>the Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans, but it certainly doesn't
>>apply to Chinese-Americans.  A visit to Chinatown should convince
>>you.  (I've been told by a couple of Chinese to stay away from
>>Chinatown, a very unsafe place--"thanks" to Chinese culture.)

Dwight... you have done it again.  My hat is tipped off to you and
your ludicrous statements.  Why don't you go to Chinatown yourself
before making statements as your facts.  I have gone there... I didn't
seem to have problems.  Please be more specific.  What will it convince
me of??

Your right let's not compare the Chinese gangs in the US with those
in Japan... let's stick to the US.  I take it that you find the Mafia
justifiable in the US?  Afterall, is this not an Italian gang in
the US?  Are you then claiming that Italians have a virulent culture?
Yes, there are FBI reports of this gang.  In fact, didn't one of the
mobsters get thrown in jail?

-jane
From: mds4101@zeus.tamu.edu (SZETO, MARVIN DEAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA ministers and churches
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:09:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12172@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) 
writes...
>Another new thread from my unravelling mind:
> 
>1.  Have you ever attended a church service led by an AA minister?
My ex-girlfriend was a member of an Asian mission group of the 1st Baptist
Church of Memphis, TN.  I often attended services there and was persecuted
for my denomination (Catholic).  I distincly remember one month were every
sermon had an anti-Catholic message.  I also had to fight the Bible-toters
off when they tried to use Biblical references against me.  I don't remember
verse numbers the way they do, but I think I understood the context of the
Bible better.

Anyway, I was disappointed that their Biblical readings for the service
consisted of rote memorization of a small verse and number.

>       Are you a member of a church with an AA minister?
>       Are you a member of a church with a non-AA minister?
No, I go to a mostly all-white church with as much ethnic mix as possible
for A&M.

>2.  Do you know of any AA ministers who lead mainstream/non-AA churches?
A big no.

>3.  How would you characterize the AA minister?
>       Which generation is s/he?
The church in Memphis has a father/son team.  The father is the minister and
the son translates from Cantonese to English.

>       Is s/he an effective leader of the congregation?  the local
>          AA community?  the general community?
I don't think he's an effective leader.  In fact, many people who get married
ask the retired minister (white) who started the mission to perform the ceremony
rather than the AA minister.

>       Is s/he an effective witness of the Gospel?
Again, I don't think so.  I tried to listen to his sermons, but most of the
others my age (members of the church) couldn't even discuss what the sermon
was about at lunch after the service.

>       Is s/he respected among the leaders of mainstream churches?
>       Given the pragmatic materialism of most AAs, is the minister
>          respected as a role model for the congregation?
Don't know.

>4.  Are services conducted in both English and an Asian language?
>       How does the content of the services compare?
Services were in Cantonese and English.  The translation was good, but the
original content wasn't.

>5.  Is the content of the services relatively "watered down" for new
>       Christians/new English-speakers?
>       If so, what effect does this have?
I think that the Chinese at this church just use the church as another social
mechanism.  The largest gatherings were at various holiday (Easter, Christmas,
etc.) dinners they would hold.

[Andrew's comments deleted.]
I agree with most of Andrew's observations.

Marvin Szeto
Fightin' Texas Aggie Class of 1992 (WHOOP!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Integrated, Yet Unequal
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:17:38 GMT

In article <TDWU.92Apr7201052@faust.mit.edu> tdwu@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas Wu) writes:
>
>In article <57004@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>   San Jose
>>   State University and San Francisco schools suffered major
>>   racial uproars despite politically correct proportions of
>>   finalists for their leaders, while everyone lauded
>>   Stanford's announcement of a white male as sole candidate
>>   for president.
>
>Minor point: According to the Stanford Observer, Jan-Feb 1992,
>Stanford considered some 667 candidates for president, not just one.
>Moreover, it placed ads in minority publications to get nominations.
>Stanford announced only one choice---probably after Gerhard Casper had
>accepted its invitation privately---but he was not its sole candidate.
>
>-------------------------
>Thomas Wu
>tdwu@mit.edu


But placing ads in minority publications does not mean that a minority
applicant will be equally considered for the job. Most schools put
that they do not discriminate on the basis of color, race ...etc but
when you look at most of the white schools that have such a statement,
which is required by law, there isn't much if any diversity going on.

Dowdy Jackson
Northwestern University
From: jj@alice.att.com (alice!jj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: What is Underdog for?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:34:51 GMT
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

You know, I just figured out what Underdog's purpose is.

He's so prone to attacking any and every thing Chinese that
he makes us all afraid to point out any specifics for fear that
he'll pick up on them and whine about them for years.   So, I guess
what he's doing is trying to protect Chinese from any form
of examination by  one of the most devious strategms yet.
(Um, do I need the smiley here, folks?)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: East Asian Ethics (was Re: Chinatown unsafe?)
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University, New York City
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:11:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.013917.25994@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
[some stuff irrelavent to the topic deleted]
>  Chinese culture is, in many
>aspects, very different from either Korean or Japanese culture.  Please
>know the difference, for _YOUR_ and your children's own good.

In my opinion, all East Asian Countries have similar culture.  The ethics,
which governs peoples' behavior, are the same in China, Korea, Japan, and
Vietnam.  Confucianism and Buddhism are the major or dominant 
philosophy/religion concerning ethics in the area.  The only competition
of any significance is Shintoism in Japan.

The common ethical ideals that I can think of now are:
1. family solidarity; family (society) above self.
2. awe and respect for antiquity; ancestor worship; observance of custom.
3. obedience of authority and elder.

( There must be more. )

For this reason, East Asians are more considerate than American and Europeans.
That's base on my observation of domitory living and other East-West 
inter-cultural encounters.

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From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korea
Subject: Re: Asian American amateur athletes
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:11:19 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

In article <92101.210250U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> U51115@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>I wish people would stop making fun of us Asian Americans just because we're s
>lower than any other people.						^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	We are just as capable as any other people; just that not many of
	us explore our athletic potential.
	Just look at this cross-post.
	BTW, some Asian did really well in 1991 New York City Marathon, too.

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Article: 3632 of rec.running
From: aigrain@irit.irit.fr (Philippe Aigrain)
Subject: Barcelona Marathon results and analysis

March 17th, 1992, Start: 10:15 at Mataro
Man:
1. John Burra, Tanzania, 2:12:46
2. Rodrigo Gavela, Spain 2:14:27
3. K. Tsurusaki, Japan, 2:15:19
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
4. J. Crespo, Spain, 2:15:24
5. J. Montiel, Spain, 2:15:37
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  < Feel free to contact me for info on New York City Marathon. (Nov 1, 92) >
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