From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Seyreyleyin gumburtuyu
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:14:27 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> In article <1029323.42184.17605@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ha
> >Turk Ulusunun uslu cocuklari !  
> >  
> >'ulus'u 'millet'ten ayirmaktan aciz bir adamin ilkeleri (kitabi)   
> >uzerine oturtulmaya calisilan bir anayasa ve yasalara (dine) dayali  
> >kuruluslardan (milletten) ulusunuza na yarar saglanabilir ?  
>   
> Bir insan dusunun, din gozunu o kadar karartmis ki, cumhuriyetin   
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
> yasalarini bile din saniyor.  
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
Emre Erkut'un 'din'i mi ?  
Allah'in 'din'i mi?  
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Here is a summary of use of DIN in the Quran, a grammatical map:  
  
Allah (chosen/ordained) for you the DIN  
Allah (establish) for them their DIN  
Allh said: I perfected DIN  
           I have chosen for you al-Islam as DIN  
Allah send messenger with the DIN of truth that may cause it to  
prevail over DIN  
Allah said: people of scripture ! stress not in your DIN other than  
the truth  
would you teach Allah your DIN ?  
the DIN (for/with/of) Allah  
the DIN of truth  
pure DIN is for Allah  
making (their/my) DIN pure for Allah  
keeping DIN pure for Allah  
on the day of DIN the command is Allah's  
establish the DIN  
pharaoh said: Moses will alter your DIN  
according to king's DIN  
someone (follows/follows-your/slanders/may-seek-help-in-the-matter-  
of/set-purpose-for-the-right/denies/becomes-a-renegate-from-  
someone's) DIN  
give the lie to someone about the DIN  
(no-compulsio/no-hardship/to-gain-sound-knowledge/brothers/who-is-  
better) in DIN  
the day of DIN  
have they partners made lawful for them in their DIN that which  
Allah allowed not  
DIN will happen  
to war against someone on account of DIN  
(they-are-in-dispair-of/they-will-fight-till-they-made-you-  
renegates-from/they-assail) your DIN  
people of scripture (exaggerate-in-their-DIN/and-disbelievers-make-  
a-jest-and-sport-of-your-DIN)  
they take their DIN for pastime and jest  
(they-split-up/they-sunder) their DIN and become schimatics  
their DIN had (deluded/beguiled) them  
their partners make their DIN obscure for them  
it deceived them regarding their DIN  
if you are in doubt of my DIN  
  
List of ayats where "DIN" occurs:  
  
009.029, 001.003, 002.132, 002.193, 002.256, 003.019, 003.083,  
004.046, 007.029, 008.039, 008.072, 009.011, 009.033, 009.036,  
009.122, 010.023, 010.105, 012.040, 012.076, 015.035, 016.052,  
022.078, 024.002, 026.082, 029.082, 029.065, 030.030, 030.043,  
031.032, 033.005, 037.020, 038.079, 039.002, 039.003, 039.011,  
040.014, 040.065, 042.013, 042.013, 042.021, 048.028, 051.006,  
051.012, 056.056, 060.008, 060.009, 061.009, 070.026, 074.046,  
082.009, 082.015, 082.017, 082.018, 082.019, 083.011, 095.077,  
098.005, 107.001, 109.006, 110.002, 003.085, 004.125, 005.003,  
002.217, 003.073, 004.171, 005.057, 005.077, 009.012, 040.026,  
049.016, 005.054, 003.024, 004.146, 006.070, 006.138, 006.160,  
007.051, 008.049, 024.025, 024.055, 030.032, 010.105, 039.014  
  
See how "DIN" is hooked up to "MILLET" :  
  
004.125 who is better in DIN than one who surrendered ones' purpose  
to Allah while doing good and follows the MILLET of Abraham, the  
upright, Allah chose Abraham for friend.  
(ahsenu=better, esleme=surrendered, veche=purpose, muhsin=good,  
TEBEA=follow, MILLET, Abraham, hanif=upright, halilen=friend)  
  
002.120 and the jews will not be pleased with you, nor the  
christians, till you follow their MILLET. Say: guidance of Allah is  
guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the  
knowledge which had come unto you, then would you have from Allah  
no protecting friend nor helper.  
(jews, christians, TEBEA=follow, ILM=knowledge, veliy=friend(?),  
HEDA=guidance, HEVA=desires)  
  
022.078 ..he had chosen you and had not laid upon you in DIN any  
hardship; the MILLET of your father Abraham. He had named you  
muslims of old time and in this (scripture)...  
(dini-min-haracin=din-with-no-hardship, millet, Abraham, muslimin)  
  
006.162 say: as for me, my Lord had guided me unto a straight path,  
a right DIN, the MILLET of Abraham, the upright, who was no  
idolater....  
(hedani=guided, sratin-mustakim=straight-path, dinen-kiyemen=right-  
din, hanif=upright, mushrikin=idolater)  
  
  
I think there are enough examples here in the Quran which give you  
a solid over-view how you can use this word "DIN" without ending up  
in the maze of metaphysicians' "DIN" like Emre Erkt's ?!  
Keep this as a record so that we know where we are when you use  
this word "DIN" and someone else uses it. Our aim is to have a clear  
functional language so that we can communicate and use INTELLECT  
(AKL).   
  
How can you ACCESS TO INTELLECT without a sound LANGUAGE ?   
  
>   
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>   
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> basarmasindandir.  
>   
> Yoksa Turk ulusunun uslu cocuklari yaramaz olmayi da bilir!  
> --   
> Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited   
> Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension  
> Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.  
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