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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len B.)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: 300 of who, where and why?
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:00:59 GMT
Organization: Informed Consent

In article <Bvnvp7.3x4@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) wrote:
>> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) wrote:
>>>> the Committee of 300; that singular group of internationalists whose
>>>> agenda is to implement the NWO....a system of economic feudalism.
>>> Is this LaRouche-speak, or what? [...]  I don't know any other outfit
>>> that thinks the UK is the hub of the Evil Empire these days.  If it did
>>> come from the LaLas, I assume "internationalists" is a code-word for Jews?
>> What's s'matta..your ole lady cut you off again? :-)
>
>Translation please?  if you're going to use gratuitous insults at least
>attempt to make them comprehensible to the target...
>
>
>> Try this: "Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300" - John Coleman
>> (aka John Clarke). You can order it for about $17 US bucks from
>> America West Publishers , 2810 W. Charleston Blvd. Suite G6723 , Las Vegas
>> Nevada 89102.
>
>OK, let's try it again: just who are America West?  It's a name that
>suggests a publisher with an agenda, but *what* agenda?  If they aren't
>Larouchies, what pressure group *do* they speak for?

Honest to God....you people will believe anything the mainstream
will dish out. Dont be such suckers. Grnated LaRouche followers
are for the most part a bunch of self-centered neurotic
obsessives. But ... LaRouche is not! In fact the man has a PHd
in economics...he is quite the genius IMHO. But that is off the
track. The book listed above is written by an ex MI-6 British
agent to expose the secret government...the one that our gvt
takes its marching orders from. America West Publishers have
NOTHING to do with any LaRouche organization of any sort. These
boys are just your standard left-wing group that the guv
probably doesnt give a damn about.


>
>[ Don Allen actually replies to something!...  wonders will never cease. ]
>
>-- 
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>BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp

Len

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		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
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From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: How you can help "save" planet earth
Summary: Extremism on either side?
Keywords: Even dogs don't crap where they eat & sleep
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:04:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2VgJsB1w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes...
>HOW YOU CAN HELP SAVE PLANET EARTH FROM THE GREEN REGIME!
>   A three step action plan

             ...with action figures from Mattel! Collect 'em all!

>   The John Birch Society has provided leadership in exposing the not so 
>hidden totalitarian agenda driving radical environmentalism.

     I do agree the "radical environmentalists" are sometimes operating on bad
logic/information.  Al Gore needs to buy a clue.  However, this does not mean
the extremists on the other side of the issue are any more correct.  If the
earth is so resilent, why are property values so low in Love Canal, NY?  If pro-
environmental policies are so anti-progress & anti-profit, why are property
values so low in Love Canal? 
     Pollution comes in many forms.  It can be deadly or harmless.  
     I must point out "The greening of the planet" by WESTERN FUELS is probably
not an un-biased source.  It is important to seperate the fact from fiction;
good luck trying to find any organization with an "agenda" that is truly 
objective.  
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Twist Slowly, Slowly in the Wind
Date: 11 Oct 1992 07:28:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


About a week ago, in the middle of a dialogue over the role of the
press in Watergate, I was making the point that  leaders such as
Nixon are not driven from office because of their actual crimes,
but rather because elite centers of power have decided to "dump"
them. I made the point that the actual  wrongdoing or lack of same
is almost irrelevant to this process. Then I said:


>Suppose that in a couple  of months or a couple of years the mainstream
>press were suddenly to discover that Bush has been lying about Iran/Contra
>etc. and began to make a big deal of it. This would NOT signal a sudden>attack of conscience among these lying hypocrites, rather it would signal
>a decision by elements of the American Establishment that Bush was now a 
>liability rather than an asset.

How events overtake us. Had I specified a couple of weeks I might be 
eligible for an alt.conspiracy prophecy award. As is, I'll settle for
honorable mention.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.guns
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:46:11 GMT

In article <grendel.719081940@camelot>, grendel@camelot.bradley.edu
(Alyosha Bourgea) writes:

> In <1992Oct14.153406.9383@csc.ti.com> dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) writes:
> >You obviously did not notice that those who do not believe that abortion
> >rights are a constitutionally granted right were excluded from speaking at the
> >Democrat convention.  You obviously did not notice that those with religious
> 
> I don't think there are many people at all, Dem or GOP, who believe that
> abortion rights are _constitutionally_ granted.  If you mean there were no

You're absolutely right, there are *NO* Constitutionally *GRANTED*
Rights!  All Rights are *pre-existing*, and some of them are enumerated
in the Constitution to prevent infringement upon these rights.

> anti-abortion rights speakers, you're darned right.  Most Democrats, as
> well as a great deal of Republicans, support abortion rights.

And I'm sure those Rights can be claimed from the 9th Amendment:

   "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not
    be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

This issue is not an enumerated power of the Federal government, so
they cannot _legally_ pass laws w.r.t. the abortion issue.  However,
by using the 9th, they could prevent States from enacting laws which
restrict that Right.

> >convictions viewing that abortion is immoral were routinely ridiculed (even
> >though a majority of Americans believe that it is  - yes, a majority believes
> >in choice, but a majority also thinks that abortion is wrong).  You obviously

Issues of morality are not the domain of the Federal government.  The
minute they take sides w.r.t. morality, they have effectively established
a "Federal religion" (in violation of the 1st).

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part XII, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Keywords: CIA = Murder Inc.,  CIA desecrates the People's Constitution
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:40:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

William S. Barr today announced that he would NOT appoint a special
prosecutor to investigate the INSLAW case. I wonder if Barr has been
implicated in the INSLAW affair yet.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
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From: Mitchell.Porter@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: alt.conspiracy FAQ
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:15:40 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

There doesn't seem to be a FAQ - is anyone working on one? If not, I
volunteer to get the ball rolling at least (although the uncertain nature
of my net access means I couldn't really maintain it). Send me material
you think would be appropriate for a FAQ (references on conspiracy theory,
common misconceptions, etc etc) and if there's sufficient interest, in a week
or so I'll post a compilation.

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From: visionary@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: BO GRITZ - Topics Deleted
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:50:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:peg:606300049:000:822
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!visionary    Oct 10 14:50:00 1992



Hi all

I am hoping that the moderator (if exists) can advise me
as to the reason some crucial topics which were here previously
have been deleted... or am i mistaken???

The ones I refer to are...

Conf: alt.conspiracy
            7 Re: Bo Gritz and Friendly Fascists    5 b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu
            9 Truth about Bo Gritz in Idaho           hoza@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
           11 The Idaho Siege and Bo Gritz          5 jeffp@netcom.com
           24 Complete PART report on Bo Gritz        igc:cberlet
           35 "A Nation Betrayed" - Bo Gritz POW/   6 aq817@cleveland.Freenet.E

Is this part of cyberspace being monitored by FBI ?
AND tampered with?

BTW - yes i did find "Complete PART report on Bo Gritz" still intact.
but others are missing, Please advise.

Many Thanks
Michael Ney
visionary@peg.apc.org
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: LaRouche on TV - See for Yourself
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:26:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


<reposted from alt.activism>

From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com
>Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Watch LaRouche ON TV
Date: Mon Oct 12 06:19:34 1992

Lyndon LaRouche will have half-hour programs at the following times:

Wed., Oct. 21: ABC-TV, 12 Midnight (Eastern Time)
                            
Sun., Oct. 25: ABC-TV
      3:30 p.m. Eastern Time
      2:30 p.m. Central Time
      1:30 p.m. Mountain Time
      2:30 p.m. Pacific Time
      1:30 p.m. Alaska Time

Sun., Oct. 25: WWOR Superstation
            
      10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
      9:30 p.m. Central Time
      8:30 p.m. Mountain Time
      7:30 p.m. Pacific Time
      6:30 p.m. Alaska Time
                                             
Sun., Nov. 1: WWOR Superstation

Same schedule as above

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         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com

<end repost>

-Steve
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From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:34:21 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA

In article <1299600095@igc.apc.org>, cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee) writes:

> Andy Byler claims that since I am a member of the National Lawyers
> Guild, I am a communist.
OK, how would you describe the orientation of the National Lawyers guild?
Would it be fair to say that the NLG an orientation towards "economic
democracy"? What is your own economic ideology? I just want to know exactly
what is the intellectual ax that you are grinding.
 
>    You may be interested in knowing that the false charge that
> someone is a communist is recognized under the law as "libel per
> se" which means the person making the charge has to prove it or it
> becomes a libel and then the only question is how much damages and
> other monetary considerations are awarded. The John Birch Society
> once claimed that Chicago attorney Elmer Gertz was a member of the
> NLG and thus was a communist. Gertz sued, and won hundreds of
> thousands of dollars in damages, nearly sending the Birch Society
> into bankruptcy.
Which proves only to me that the NLG has more powerful lawyers than the
John Birch society. I don't see that much difference between most of the
JBS accusations of "communism"(small C intential to distinguish it from 
accusation of active involvement with the former Soviet government) and
your own accusation of facism towards folks like Stockdale. My honest guess
is that there may have been as more Marxists associated with the NLG as
there have been folks with real intellectual identification with the
facist governments of Spain, Italy or Germany who have been associated with 
the Rockford Institute. Please correct me if this impression is mistaken.
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Passport file searches
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:34:50 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <Bw647G.Cqy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
|>    Since the state department has been so diligent and prompt about
|> Clinton's passport, maybe we could expect similar service on the
|> movements of William Casey and others alleged to have been in secret
|> meetings with Iranians before the 1980 election.

Nope.  People like Casey could move without leaving a paper
trail behind.  It's the slime trail you have to follow...

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:07:41 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to "David A. Byler" <db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>The National Lawyers Guild is a well known Communist front group.

Huh?

>I will admit to being a wannabe member of the John Birch Society.

Oh.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
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From: oblivion@spica.bu.edu (Brian Oblivion)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: What is this 'October Suprise'
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:16:10 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Skateboarding Team


I have heard from several people (including my girlfriend's parents)
about this 'October Suprise'.  Being stuck in an urban wasteland Im
concerned of any rumors that refer to race relation and martial law.

Please dispell or back up this rumor.

B.oblivion
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From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: "Etiquette"
Keywords: Live & let live...(!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:26:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    ...I don't want to see this thread go on too long... but I can't resist.  I
think the attacks on drieux are unecessary and destructive.  Personally I like
his postings (usually); they spice things up with variety, and they do add some
good points. The other oh-so-serious-and-important postings are not
necessarily any more informative/well written/etc.
    ...but what do I know?  Maybe I'm an idiot or a genius or a jerk or a nice
guy.  You can always put drieux in the kill file.  I agree that drieux ain't no
harder to read than some of Joyce's stuff.  There ain't no rules, even if ain't
ain't in the dictionary.
    E-gads...am I now pissing off those who insulted driuex?  Wasn't my
intention.  I like their stuff too.  The only postings I really don't like are
the transcribed, long, radio conversations, but that's MY problem. I hit the 'n'
key to solve it.
    I like reading this news group.  I'd like to recommend personal clashes be
fought via email.  Feel free to flame/ignore/praise me. Feel free to feel free.

"Be nice to each other"
                --Bob Shea (coauthor of Illuminatus!)

"The quickest way to a man's heart is with a bullet."
                --Me
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes)
Subject: Re: What is this 'October Suprise'
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:56:41 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

The "October Surprise" refers to allegations that Regan/Bush made
arrangements with the Iranian terrorists in 1980 to release the American
hostages as soon as - but not before - Regan was elected president,
thereby making Carter look like an inept fool (didn't need much help on
that one...)

These allegations, by the way, have never been proven, and the key
witnesses have all been nortoriously unreliable or conveniently dead
("Five years ago, just before he died of cancer, a former member of the Israeli
Likud party told a reporter from Rolling Stone magazine that an Iranian
POW had told HIM he had personally seen George Bush get out of Air Force
One in Teheran on the day..." etc.) [That is a made-up example. I don't want 
to start any conspiracy threads about how the witnesses to the Bush-Regan 
thing have been mysteriously killed off...]

Since then it has been used to describe any other nasty/underhanded
political timing, e.g., Ross Perot's surprise re-entry into the presidential 
race (when it turned out he was planning his re-entry all along.)

- Gary Hypes -
From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: Constitutional Questions, and liberalisms....
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:05:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.193222.24206@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com writes:
>The only time my tax RATE went up was after the
>1990 tax increases when Bush mistakenly went along with the liberal
>democratic ideals.

Yes, Bush going along with the ideals of liberal democracy would
only have occurred by mistake. :-)

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From: weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett)
Subject: Re: Al Gores "scintific" proof
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.175301.22176@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>In article <3V6gsB2w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes: 
>|> Gore's extremism has gone from being outside the insider-approved issues to 
>|> inside. Happily, many competent scientists are labelling his pitch a complee 
>|> fraud.           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Name three Bill.  And ones that can't spell better than you don't
>count!
>
>Jared "Is someone burning BACON?" Dahl

Off-hand I can't give names, but he is quite right. Doesn't it strike you as 
a little extreme for Gore to come to a conclusion on the effect of the clean
air based on a brief look at some ice in Antartica? He's also correct about
the temperature logs going back 100 years. The only proof I've seen of global
warming have been the computer models that you've probably seen before. Well,
in case you didn't know, those have been conclusively proved inaccurate. 
You'll probably contest that, so I'll tell you that after plugging in data
from about 100 years ago to the present, the simulation produced temperatures
well in excess of what actually exist. Therefore the simulation is wrong and
there is no proof.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.environment
From: pete@uunet!ctbilbo (Pete Ritter)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Communications Technology Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:54:08 GMT


TEST
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Subject: Re: Pt 1, RADIOACTIVE MEAT, MILK & PRODUCE: Supermarkets Selling Leukemia?
Keywords: radioactive meat, milk & produce: supermarkets selling leukemia?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:33:35 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.120408.6949@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
[stuff deleted]
> One day in the spring of 1984, a teenager in eastern Oklahoma's
> Muskogee County took his BB gun and went hunting at a pond by
> Rabbit Hill Farm.  He shot a frog that had nine legs.

Errr, right. 9 legs. It happens. Especially with animals that have less
complicated chromosomes.

> These nuclear clients either enrich the UF6 into nuclear
> fuel, use it to make nuclear medicines or, in the case of the
> Department of Energy, refine it into weapons grade material for
> nuclear bombs. 

What kind of medicine is "nuclear medicine" ? And wouldn't that be the
DoD, and not the DoE?

> Until 1982, when the Nuclear Reguatory Commission (NRC) ordered
> Kerr-McGee to install scrubbers on the plant's main smokestack, the
> company regularly spewed radioactive debris into the air and onto
> the surrounding neighborhood. And Kerr-McGee continues to dump
> radioactive water into the Illinois River. 

Show some back-up for this claim please.

> Technically known as raffinate, this toxic sludge contains
> radioactive elements like radium-226, thorium-230, and uranium, as
> well as seventeen toxic and heavy metals including arsenic, cadmium,
> mercury, lead, molybdenum and selenium. 

Bzzzzt. Arsenic is a non-metal, let alone a heavy metal

This whole article, while informative, is not very well written. It lacks
references, and is aimed at scaring the hell out of people. While I would
very much like to see plants like this one disappear, I would like to 
see some more technical info. Like the proces as described for making
fertilizer out of the toxic sludge is vague, and as far as my chemistry
goes, isn't even feasible in the manner described. You can't lobby for
environmental issues like these without having the facts on you side. And
while only a slight error, the fact that the article states that Arsenic is 
a heavy metal, takes a lot of credibility away from it.



--Ralph Moonen
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