HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: PS/2-80s for sale
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:49:03 GMT
Reply-To: Me
Organization: Me

i cannot seem to get in touch with you.  is the phone number correct?
please get in touch with me.  thanks.  i'm interested in purchasing all
3 of them with additional memory.

dan
dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com
dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

>We have three IBM PS/2 Model 80 (type 8580-071) computers for sale
>at $800.00 each:
>
>	* 8 MB RAM
>	* 70 MB internal hard disk 
>	* 115 MB internal hard disk
>	* 1.44 MB 3.5" floppy drive
>	* VGA graphics adapter (built-in)
>	* IBM mouse
>	* IBM keyboard
>	* Parallel port (printer)
>	* Serial port
>	* 8 Micro-channel slots (one used for memory)
>	* Reference diskette
>
>Additional 8 MB ram is available for $150.00.  Purchaser must arrange for 
>pickup in the Cupertino California area.
>
>Contact: John Cooney  -or- Boris Lasman
>		415-864-6787
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From: feg@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (forrest.e.gehrke)
Subject: Re: TAPE BACKUP VIA PRINTER PORT-SPEED,ETC
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.094344.1709@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil> sfullenkamp@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil writes:
>Does anyone out there have any experience or comments on backup tape 
>devices that interface to the computer via the printer (parallel) port.
>I work in a lab that has multiple desktop computers and the portable
>nature of this approach appeals to me, at least from a budgetary point
>of view.  From a technical point of view (tranfer speed) I'm not quite
>sure if it is a reasonable approach.  It seems to me that units attached
>to the IDE controller or such might be faster, but then again, the tape
>might be the limiting factor, not the interface.

This admittedly is an apples to oranges comparison but I think it
does indicate that the printer interface is markedly slow.

Using a MicroSolutions QIC-80 to a 286/12 PC via the printer port, 
transferring (with compression) 10 MB of data requires about
3 hours.

Using a CMS Jumbo250 (also QIC-80) and the CMS TC-15 interface to
a 386/33 I can transfer 100MB with compression in 7 minutes.

Both setups can read and write to tapes that have been read and
written on the other.  The MicroSolutions drive does the job, but
if speed is your object, consider CMS.  BTW, their drives interface
to cards they supply or to floppy drive interfaces.  I don't
believe they interface to IDE HD interfaces.

CMS supplies a card for external connection of the drive, but every
system involved would have to have this setup.

Forrest Gehrke feg@dodger.att.com
From: moura@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Hermano P de Moura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: How to specify SIMM's?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:53:26 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

I want to upgrade my EloneX 386DX 33 MHz from 4 MB to 12 MB of RAM (DRAM).
The manual says I can upgrade up to 16 MB using combinations of 1 MB and
4 MB x 9 x 80 ns SIMM's. I had a look inside the computer and found
that the SIMM card is a 72 pins card. Elonex says I need 36 bits SIMM's.
Here my questions:

1	All SIMM cards have 72 pins? Are there SIMM cards with 36 pins?

2	A 4 MB 36 bits 80ns SIMM is equal to 4 MB x 9 x 80ns SIMM?

3	I have now a 4 MB 80 ns SIMM. Can I upgrade to 12 MB buying
        2 4MB *70 ns* SIMM's?

I would very much appreciate any clarification on the matter.

E-mail would be preferable. I will post a summary to c.s.i.p.hardware.

-- Hermano Moura
   moura@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk
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From: bill@solaria (Bill Neisius)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 3-chip-simm look good on Chip+Techn 8230 chipset
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:01:03 GMT
Reply-To: bill@solaria.hac.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Reinhard Kirchner (kirchner@uklira.informatik.uni-kl.de) wrote:
: Hello,
: 
: to make things clear I went to my friedly dealer, got 4 3-chip-simms,
: put them into a Epson 386/20 and
: - run all memory test programs I have
: - run an application ( P-CAD ) which definitely uses expanded memory
: 
: and all worked.
: 
: So this is strong evidence that 3-chi-simms can be used in these machines,

Well, not necessarily.  The 3-chip problem does not show up on any known
memory test program, and applications will only encounter it in certain
memory access modes.  Windows 3.1 enhanced mode is an application that
can cause the 3-chip simm to fail; merely accessing expanded memory is not
enough...
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: SIMM thickness an issue?
Keywords: weird, weird, weird....
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:35:37 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest


 
 The continuing saga of Shag's computer...
 
 The facts thus far:
 * Shag's computer runs fine with 1mb of 256k (3-chip) SIMMs.
 * Shag's computer doesn't like to boot with 4mb of 1mb (3-chip) SIMMs.
 * When it _does_ boot with 4mb, it runs fine.
 * Memory-testing programs show no problems with the 1mb SIMMs.
 
 New fact:
 * The 1mb SIMMs are thinner than, and don't fit as snugly as, the 256k SIMMs.
 
 New hypothesis:
 * The electrical contact is not quite optimal on the SIMM sockets.
 * POST therefore has trouble confirming that SIMMs are installed.
 
 New problem:
 * How does one "tighten" SIMM sockets to deal with thinner SIMMs?
 
 -Shag

-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: are EISA & local bus mutually exclusive?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:43:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct2.151024.1@vax1.umkc.edu> eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
 
>>>In article <91131@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

>>>>  I would be interested to hear from people why they want EISA 
>>>> *AND* Local Bus? Besides the point that the thing is cool.

>>>>  So, WHY??

>I've been thinking about the EISA/LB question for a while now...  It would
>seem to me that the advantage to local bus is the high direct throughput.
>What components have the capability to withstand the maximum throughput?  
>All I can think of (on a simple PC no LANS and such) is the video.
>The relative advantage to EISA is the wider path and bus-mastering.  Since
>even the best hard drives can't keep up with a local bus, the EISA could be
>used to control the drive and take some of the load off of the CPU thus
>speeding things up more than a local bus.  I wouldn't think that video would
>benefit from bus-mastering as much as it benefits from the high speed 
>interface of local bus.  Hence a local bus video/EISA hard drive would be
>the best system possible.
>
>Have I missed an obvious point?

 Sort of. Doesn't matter that HD is slower than processor speed. uP doesn't
 deal with sectors/tracks in a cacheing controller, where memory to memory
 transfers take place (to be precise, port to memory). If you have enough
 cache on the controller and your file is sequentially written (sorta Norton
 Speed Disk) any request to disk read will effectively deal with cache, 
 which is as fast as processor.

 The fact that you take some load off the LB doesn't speed up the system,
 it either works or not (works sometimes means that it doesn't here).

 So, I still don't see any advantage in having EISA/LB combination.
 But it's cool.

 Remember, VL-bus has 3 slots, and supposedely we have one left free.

 What to put in it?

 S.B.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: OPINIONS: Speedstar 24X vs Stealth 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:55:22 GMT

tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (TOBIN MATTHEW CREEK) writes:


>Thanks to all who replied to my post asking for comments on the 
>Conner CP30200.  It is an excellent drive!  Two weeks of pure, fast, quiet
>heaven.

>Continuing with the 2-year overhaul (only the I/O board and the monitor will
>be left), I am upgrading my Paradise 1024i 512K video board.  

>Question:

>Should I buy the Speedstar 24X or the Stealth.  More specifically:

>1.  Both are coprocessed, correct?  Both are fast(er than what I have), right?
>    Which one is FASTER (this is a primary concern).

Aside from Winmarks (a useless benchmark, IMHO) the Stealth is faster if
the appropriate driver is being used.

>    Which one is faster (if any difference) in plain VGA modes (no drivers)?

In plain vga modes, the 24X more than twice as fast as the Stealth.

>2.  I am using OS/2 and have heard that S3 doesn't want to write drivers. 
>    Is this still the case, or has 3 million copies changed their mind?  
>    I hear that Speedstar 24X drivers are coming after the 32-bit GRE. True? 

Don't know.

>3.  Can any Speedstar 24X users comment on the Paradise compatibility?  
>    How about the VESA compatibility?

Paradise and vesa comaptibility are very good.  I had problems at
first but the vesa.exe tsr from Diamond solved them.

>4.  Which mail-order place has the best price?

For the 24X, Fastmicro has them for $179.  Around $250 is the best
price I've seen for the Stealth.

One thing you may be forgetting is the 24X has an 800x600x32K mode,
which the Stealth does not.

------------
Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Trident 8900C Card
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:59:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Hi,

I just bought a 486 50Mhz. The video card is Trident 8900C.
I run the screen-saving program from PC tools and after the
screen black-outs, I press any button to resume. However, the
screen becomes totally mixed up: in some cases, the screen has
some evenly-spaced vertical white stripes; in some other case,
th screen has some black strips (so that the words becomes
a little fuzzy). I brought it back to the store and test some
other Trident cards. Same thing. Then we use another brand
of video card (Oak ?), it then works fine. 

Any idea?

Yunson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: do-minh@CS.YALE.EDU (Minh Do)
Subject: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:10:11 GMT

--According to a gateway rep:----

>Local Bus PC's use 36-bit SIMMS and cannot use regular SIMMS.  However, you
>can put a single 4MB SIMM into the Local Bus systems, so you may want to
>order your PC's with only 4MB versus 8MB if you don't feel you need 8.

-----------------------

Are these 36 bit simms more expensive than regular simms?

If the local bus can accept a "single 4mb simm", what does this imply for
my memory upgrade options in the future?

Thanks in advance for any replies.  (please e-mail)
-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Minh Q. Do	                                      do-minh@cs.yale.edu
                                               dominq@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai)
Subject: Confused about SVGA SETMODE stuff...
Originator: lai@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:51:12 GMT

I bought an SVGA card (STB Powergraph, 512K, ET4000) and received with it
a diskful of utilties.  One of these utilities is called, SETMODE, which
allows me to set a variey of VGA modes, Sync Freq, etc.  I'm totally
lost as to the usage of this utilty.  For example, when do I need to
SETMODE to a certain mode?  What if I am using a GIF viewer that accesses
a SVGA Mode (640x480x256, or 800x600x256), for example, do I need to 
SETMODE before I used the viewer?  BTW, I have an NEC MutliSync 3D, which
I believe does 1024x768 Interlaced.

Can someone explains it to me please?


William Lai
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dab3@Ra.MsState.Edu (David A. Besancon)
Subject: Re: TV cards
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:02:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.121116.16558@comp.lancs.ac.uk> davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.013947.26646@athena.cs.uga.edu> kendall@castor (ROB KENDALL) writes:
>>
>>Looking for any information regarding tv cards that allow you to
>>see cable tv on your vga monitor.
>
>I'm interested in this sorty of thing as well.  I am looking at a
>general purpose video input card which I will connect to an external
>tuner though. 
>
>Davei

Hauppauge Computer.

Add television and video editing to your pc.  You can wath Tv and capture and 
Manipulate television,video, and laser disk images right from your desktop 
while running and viewing other Windows applications with the WIN/TV 
television adapter for Windows. Freeze Images on screen and shrink, enlarge,
and click and drag them into new positions without losing a dot of clarity.
 The built in tuner brings you 122 channel cable ready television access 
with stereo audio output, too. Plus there are two optional video inputs for 
vcr, video camera, laser disk, etc.  Freeze any fram and save it to your har
or floppy disk in 8 bit or 24 bit PCX,GIF,TIFF,BMP, TGA, and MMP formats.

What I have just quoted is from a source of mine...
anyone interested should contact besancon@seabass.st.usm.edu   .
thanks.
david a. besancon

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Munoz )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Can't boot from 1.44MB floppy on XT.
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:02:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvD6rt.H26
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hello!

	I have an Epson Equity I+.  About 2 years ago I installed one of
those generic High-Density 8-bit floppy controllers (Longshine) into my
ageing XT.  Connected to the controller is a TEAC 3.5 1.44MB floppy.          
The drive works fine for all purposes except when I try to boot the computer
from the floppy.  The computer will only boot if I switch back to my 360k
drive (still using the same controller).

	The error message that DOS 3.3 returns is:
                           
Bad or missing Command Interpreter

Any solutions?

PS-The floppy does have a COMMAND.COM file w/all system files as well.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Munoz )
Subject: Re: IBM XT Intermittent problem...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:20:19 GMT

Umm, have you tried disabling the bios caching or any of those other switches
that they describe in the back of the manual (e.g. /nobios, /cachehd, etc.).

in the config.sys file it would look like this

device=sota286i.sys /nobios

Also, (tho' I'm sure you did) did you make sure to switch those chips Ux (where
x is some number I forgot) to match the old CPU (8086 or 8088).

This is all off the top of my head.  The manual is stored away right now.  Any
more Q's just email me.

		-Marc
		mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: miket@amc.com (Mike Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Help needed running DOS programs in Windows...
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:10:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: amc.1992Sep29.171002.19194
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <25SEP199215510311@erich.triumf.ca> damien@erich.triumf.ca (DAMIEN GALLOP) writes:
>In article <8156@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, hsia@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Richard Hsia) writes...
>>I've been having problems running any DOS programs using Windows 3.1.  Any 
>>attempt I make gives me an error: "Wrong system (or something like that) -
>>Run setup..." 
>> 
>>I'm using Windows 3.1 with DOS 5.0 so I don't think there should be any 
>>incompatibility problems.  I also don't think its a hardware problem since I've
>>recently changed my motherboard and hard drive.
>> 
>>Does anyone have any clues?
>> 
>>Richard
>> 
>>	  
>Without more details, I'd suggest this: you may have copies of COMMAND.COM
>in C:\ and C:\DOS; are they identical? If not ...      D.

I was seeing the same problem after I switched to the ET4000 turbo windows
driver for my Tseng Labs video card. All I did to fix it was change back to
the standard VGA driver using windows (3.1) setup, and restart windows. The 
problem went away.

I then went back into setup and reinstalled the ET4000 turbo windows driver
and restart windows again. After that, everything has worked fine, I can
run DOS applications and get the DOS prompt from the ICON without any 
problems.

Talking to a Microsoft tech I was told that if a third party driver is used
for video, printer, etc. and then going in and tweeking .PIF files, or .INI
files can confuse windows. So uninstalling then reinstalling can straighten
things out.

But they do give you the nice misleading error message to really confuse
things.

Good Luck!

Mike


Mike Taylor		    	Phone:  (206) 822-5406
9435 116th Ave NE		Fax:    (206) 883-3049
Kirkland, WA 98033		Net:    miket@amc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: wai@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Julian Wai)
Subject: MFM + IDE? Reformatting IDE?
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  7 Oct 92 01:44:43 GMT

Hi,

Is it possible for MFM (seagate's st251-1 40 Meg) and IDE (also seagate 
st3144a 130 Meg) harddisks to coexist on one computer?  If so, can I just
simply plug the MFM controller card into the slot?  What about the IDE
controller?

I've read earlier that you can not do a low level format on IDE drives,
is it true?  I am currently using DOS but what to install Linux, any
suggestions?

Thanks
Julian
From: wizard@greylady.uoregon.edu (KevinS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: windows accelerator cards
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:50:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: greylady.WIZARD.92Oct4205005
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores



Simple question, I have a 486-50 with a NEC 4FG monitor and was wondering 
which Windows Accelerator cards people have used and if they had any 
problems or stories to share.

I have been thinking of the following:

Orchid Farrenheit 1280
PC Logic VSpeed
STB Wind/X HC

E-Mail is better than posting due to the sheer volume of this group.

-Kevins
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Speed Up  ??
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:40:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep28.014520.10166@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> rteasdal@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Rusty) writes:
>In article <Orakel.7@> Orakel@ (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>>
>>The chip that controls the clock frequency is called an Oscillator. If your 
>>board has one on a socket, you can replace it with a faster one. It is a 
>>little metal-looking chip with 33.33hz or 66.67Mhz on it. You should also 
>>get more cooling for the CPY, yes. I have succesfully speeded up some 486SX-
>>25's to 33hz without any problems at all. Will try to get one of them to 
>>40Mhz soon. 
>>
>>Jens Kr. Kirkeb
>
>
>	What kind of extra cooling is required to run a 486SX-25 at
>33MHz? I have one, and had planned to speed it up to 27MHz - I used to
>run a 386-25 at this speed, with no problems, and no additional cooling
>required. But 25 -> 33 is a huge jump. Should I install an IceCAP active
>cooler? Or a heat sink? Or a heat sink plus a fan?
>
D
A

>	Also, does anyone know of a good source of clock crystals by
>mail or phone order? Normally I'd just drop into Fry's in Sunnyvale for
>one but I'm ~400km from Silicon Valley right now, and not inclined to
>make the drive for such a cheap component.
>
>
>
>
>
	I personally think that at 33 MHZ, one could get away from not 
taking any procusion, but I think a well constructed heat sink would be
adequate.  If you could obtain the electrical data for the 486 chip then
you could get a much better idea of what you should do.  

	The only question I have is your board designed to take signals 
at such a speed.  When increasing clock speed not only the microprocessor
is affected, but the whole system as well.  Is your cooling system capable
of trasfering heat at a higher rate?  Is your power supply capable of 
handleing the extra power requirement?  Would the suddent change in the 
signal frequency change the electrical characteristic of the traces on your
board that may cause electrical noise?

 	Well, at 33MHZ, I think this may not be such and issue.  But it is
at speeds of 50 MHZ and above that these problem surfaces.  

	Please post and tell us what happens.
 	Good Luck,

- C. H. Yang.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: GJAMES@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA (GJames)
Subject: Sound Board advice
Organization: Saint Mary's University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:14:35 GMT

Which type of Sound Board should I purchase... I was thinking of the Adlib 
Gold or the Sound Blaster Pro. Should Microsofts entry into the 
multimedia market and there proposed new standard  affect my decision. 
Should I hold out until there is a standard for multi media. I hope to use 
this board for sometime to come so it would be nice to be compatible with 
the big M.

Thanks
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From: reward@eos.ncsu.edu (Robert E. Ward)
Subject: My 386/40 Kills IDEs
Followup-To: poster
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:11:29 GMT

  I've been trying to install an IDE in my 386/40 for about two weeks.
I first tried a ST1102a.  It was already formatted so I dropped it right
in.  It worked for about a day and then started giving me some weird
problems.  It would rename files,  changing .COM->.COE and .EXE->.EHE
and other strange things.  Sounds like a FAT problem to me.  NDD couldn't
do much so I had to reformat it.  It never would reformat.  Never could
write the bootab (and I guess the last meg or so for the FAT table).

  I got a new HD (actually tried 3) and tried two other controllers.
Same format problem.  The other HDs had to be llformatted before I could
format them again on the other system.

  Any ideas anyone?  Is this a BIOS problem?  All I have installed is
the IDE controller and a Paradise SVGA card.  It's a 386/40 with AMI BIOS
of 05/05/91.  Would a SCSI work fine?  This is really strange and very
perplexing.  Hope it's not a motherboard problem.  It's in a baby AT case
with the T connector for the cards to rest sideways.

-Rob
From: RS@bmbcomp.uucp (Rick Stomphorst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Does the AT support 2 Bus Mastering cards??
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:52:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BMB Compuscience Canada Ltd., Milton, Ontario, Canada

Subject line kind of asks it all. (Reworded:)  Does an IBM AT compatible PC
(386/486) support more than 1 Bus Mastering card in the expansion bus??  Has
anyone ever tried this?  What kind of PC were you using?

Thanks,
RS
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