From: jean@cs.cornell.edu (Jean M. Petrosino)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Men & Women (was working with women vs. working with men)
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:29:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <1992Dec23.190432.29510@cs.cornell.edu> jean@cs.cornell.edu (Jean M.
Petrosino) writes:
>RSR:                   Equality is a delusion.
>JMP:                           Translation: Suck it up.
>
>RSR:                   Translation: Take everything away from everybody
>                       and put them all in the same environment.  Some
>                       will succeed, some will sink.
>When in doubt, quote the superiority of capitalism and Darwin's survival of the
> fittest theory.


        It works.  That's a lot more than I can say for alternative
        theories.

It works according to you because you can succeed in such an environment.  You
have been taylored (socialized) to be able to do so.


>RSR:                   Come off it.  Should I make the effore to
>               "understand" someone elses methods when they wont
>               lift a finger to do the same? Hell no.  Women
>               deserveno more slack than anyone else and I think
>               it's pretty sexist of you to suggest otherwise.
>
>
>Wow.  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...In your earlier post you
>said women's thought processes are "crippled in some way, and "makes the work
>a lot less effective."

        What was I saying about your reading level?  Why don't
        you go back and re-read what I wrote.  I said "seems
        crippled in some wway"  and filled the
        message with more disclaimers than
        you get with most prescription
        medication.

Here is what you wrote when I questioned your use of the word 'crippled':

		Come on. Crippled is what it is to me.  "Different" 
		does not carry the meaning I intend.  I mean, "they 
		seem HOBBLED in some way by an INABILITY to make the
		committment to a solution.

I don't see any disclaimers on this one.

> You then go on to paralell women with children

        Who paralled them with children?  I made a parallel withg
        a repairman that's busy trying to watch a football game
        while working.  YOU brought children into it.

Your paralelling women with children:
	
		...but your partner insists on PLAYING with a thesaurus
		and PRETTYFYING all of what you're writing instead of
		aiding the task at hand...After an hour or two, you're
		liable to strangle them so that they'll SHUT UP long 
		enough for you to think.

It sounds like you are playing G.I. Joe, while these women are playing Barbie.
Women are as much a hinderance to work as children are.  Thank God for 
compulsory education!  If we could only do the same with women, then maybe 
something around here would get done!!


 >as well
>as getting to the point of insulting my reading abilities.

        If the shoe fits.  You're also pretty good at quoting out
        of context and distortion.  Methinks someone needs a valium.

Of course, since I am challenging you I am hysterical and in need of a sedative
Maybe you need a cold shower.


>And to top it all
>off you get right down to calling me and other women pathetic simply because
>we choose not to operate as you do.

        Want to show me the quote that says this?

Your famous pathetic quote (in response to my statement that you are clearly
unwilling to listen to what I am truly saying):
	
		Ah, the cry of the pathetic.
		...Calling SOMEONE pathetic means just that: pathetic.
		...Disgusting lack of self control comes to mind...
:
	
		
>Do you really believe that asking you to
>try to see a situation from another point of view is sexism?
>What planet are you on?


        It is if you refuse to even acknowledge that
        at this point, all of the efforts have
        been on my shoulders.  I have made *every* effort
        to deal with these people and their behavior, yet you
        say I need to empathize with them.  Screw that.

>        Sexism?  You bet.  I don't hear you telling me that
>        women need to try to work with men in a male fashion.

WOMEN HAVE TO WORK WITH MEN IN A MALE FASHION BECAUSE OF MEN LIKE YOU.  WE HAVE
NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE IF WE WANT TO SUPPORT OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES. 
DON'T YOU GET IT?  Aparently not.