HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: was: Phantom-Bantam - Spar question; now: Rev II spar question
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:31:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Sep30.213114.14529
Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA


Things seem to be getting real confusing here, so let's just start with some
facts:

Rev 2-Wrap: 
	32.5" length, 12.9 grams.
	Used in Rev II light wind kit
	Not used in stock Rev II
	Fairly fragile
	Stiffness equal to about an AFC 2100
	You don't want to fly with these in any signifcant wind (more than
	say, 6 MPH).

Rev 3-Wrap
	32.5" length, 18.6 grams.
	Used in Rev I light wind kit
	Used in stock Rev II
	Pretty tough, hard to break.
	Stiffness = AFC 2400
	You can use these in most wings and fly in almost anything.  The
	Rev I sparred 3-Wrap shouldn't be flown in more than about 10 MPH.

Rev 4-Wrap
	32.5" length, 24.4 grams
	Used in stock Rev I
	Real, real tough.
	Stiffness > AFC 2540
	Use the 4-wrap for heavy wind kite/real big kite.

Rev 2-wrap has a reputation for breaking real easy--mostly, I think, because
many people mistake a special purpose rod for a general use rod (I never fly
my 2-wrap kites in over 5 MPH).

Rev 3-wrap is pretty tough stuff, and I hardly ever hear of people breaking
their Rev II frames.

I've never heard of or seen Rev 5-wrap (I've seen Rev 6-wrap, but never
5-wrap).

Hope this helps...
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: markiewi@phage.cshl.org (Peter Markiewicz)
Subject: Parafoil
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:08:20 GMT

Has anyone attempted to make the parafoil that was described
in the winter 91-92 issue of Kite Lines? I am going to attempt
it, and if anyone has any pointers I would appreciate it.

	Thanks in advance

	- Peter Markiewicz
	  markiewi@cshl.org


Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: houser@rtsg.mot.com (Elizabeth J. Houser)
Subject: Thx for Chi Info
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:01:02 GMT

Thanks to all the people who sent me info on kite shops
in the Chicago area.  I really did check every phone book
I own, but the only REAL kite shops listed were tollfree
numbers out of state.

Weird.

Well, thanks again!

-Liz
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Yowww!!  QuadriFoil 50
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Sep28.220551.6391@crash> danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh) writes:
>Well, I finally gave in to a long-standing lust for a QuadriFoil 50
>(50 sq feet of sail), and got it rigged and launched Monday
>afternoon.. The wind was a steady 5-6 with a few gusts to about 8, and
>from what I've seen so far, this kite is going to re-define power
>flying, at least for me.

Not *that* surprising, really.  At SunFest last Thursday, in winds of 20+
gusting to 30+, it took two large men just to hold onto a Q-25 and a third
(me!) to pull back the bottoms of the handles so we could land the thing.
That was when one of the 200# bottom lines snapped.  One of the fellows had
a Q-50 with him, but we didn't really want to break it out.

On Saturday, some folks were playing around with a Q-50 and not having much
trouble with being dragged.  This was in winds of about 8-12, possibly a tad
higher.

There's no question that the QuadriFoil is one of the most impressive
power kites around.  And it's maneuverable!  The Q-50 is still a kite and
can be flown with some sort of precision.  The Q-75 is meant just for power.

On a powerkiting aside, also last Thursday I had the opportunity to fly one
of Skyward's RBKs (again, this was in winds over 20, gusting into the 30s).

Oh, oh, oh, what an experience!  The RBK is your standard dart configuration,
the major difference being that it's 17' wide and 6' tall.  And unbelievably,
it flies quite well.  I flew the kite for 3 blocks before I decided that my
arms would be sore enough without being dragged *further* down the beach.
The pull was incredible--far more impressive than the stack of 7 6' flexis
I flew last year at OBSKC (those were winds of ~20, steady, no major gusts).
It's pretty wild to be able to do tip-stands with such a huge kite, in such
huge winds, but they're a snap with the RBK.  Great fun!

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: marty@amc.com (Marty Akerman)
Subject: I can't find it!
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:34:15 GMT



Hey kiters!

Some questions for the kite makers in the audience:

I am looking for some materials that my local kite shop, and fabric stores
have not been able to supply.  If you know where I could get some, either
locally (Seattle, WA.), or mail-order, please respond via e-mail.

1)  "Flesh-toned" rip-stop.  I want to make some appliques in the form of
    cartoon characters, and have not been able to find material of the right
    color.  Perhaps you could suggest a different material that would be
    suitable.  As it is not a structural part of the kite, it really doesn't
    have to be rip-stop.

2)  Dacron.  So many of the kite plans I've seen call for something like
    "3 inch wide 4 oz. dacron" for reinforcement.  Haven't been able to
    find any.

3)  Nylon taffeta.  My SO wants to make windsocks, which are usually made
    of this material.  We haven't been able to find any of this either.


Any tips?

Marty Akerman
marty@amc.com
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: How was Lubbock? :-)
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:52:29 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

OK!

So how was the AKA nationals in Lubbock TX?   I ask this because I had the
choice of actually going or buying a magnum opus.....and it is obvious what my
choice ended up being!

I promise myself I'll go to the next one....

paul

Probably should e-mail me instead of posting, unless yo feel it
is entertaining enough for everyone....

------
"Give me a barn door, enough wind, and string to control it, and i'll fly it."-
modified form of something I once read.....
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: was: Phantom-Bantam - Spar question; now: Rev II spar question
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:59:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Sep29.173638.29310@adobe.com> gernot@adobe.com (Gernot Huber) writes:

>This definitely seems to be the case! I recently bought a Rev II (I hope I
>remember correctly when I assert that it is spec'd with Advantage 2-wrap, or 
>was it 3-wrap?). While I love the kite, I have broken the female half of the 
>leading edge spar twice in 4 hours of flight, in winds that probably never 
>exceeded 15 mph.

That's odd.  I've had my Rev II for a year now, have flown it in winds ranging
as high as 25, and have never broken a spar.  And I've had *plenty* of ground
contact with it.  The Rev II is framed with Advantage 3-wrap (the Rev I is
framed with 5-wrap) and is surprisingly sturdy (as compared to a delta framed
with 2-wrap).

>before I consistently get the hang of it, and I would like to know if someone 
>can give me advice on replacement spars that aren't as brittle as Advantage 
>2-wrap. I would primarily be interested in spars that aren't too much heavier
>than the Advantage, so as not to impede low-wind flyability too much. 

You're not going to find something that's less brittle than Advantage and
not heavier--that's the whole point of the spars.  It's extremely stiff and
and extremely light.  The best compromise may be an Easton composite such
as 3/30.


>What is a
>good compromise for a Rev II? AFC .1960", which Jeff mentions, or somthing 
>else, and where can I get this stuff? (I live in the Bay Area.)

When I referred to the AFC 1960, I was talking about ultralight deltas.  The
Rev II is by no stretch of the imagination an ultralight kite, though there
is a 2-wrap ultralight kit for it.

The .1960 is not nearly stiff enough for a Rev and you're likely to break it
in a crash.  You might try a heavier AFC, such .2300 or .2400.  These can
be ordered from Into the Wind, Hang-'em High, or High Fly.

Jeff


-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: houser@rtsg.mot.com (Elizabeth J. Houser)
Subject: Suppliers in Chicago Metro Area???
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:33:36 GMT

Help!  Do any of you know of any kite supply dealers
in Chicago or the Northwest or Western 'burbs?

The only places we've been able to find are small
hobby shops in the area (lame excuses for kites, I
tell ya).  

I'm looking for something at the LEAST comparable to
the kite shop in Norfolk, VA's Harborplace.  I would
guess there must be a shop in or around Lincoln Park
because of all the people I see flying kites at
the lakefront.

Any info you have would be GREATLY appreciated!

-Liz
From: tam@furry.lonestar.org (Todd A. Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: WIZZARD STUNT KITE
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:04:34 CST
Organization: Small Furry Animals Unlimited, Plano TX

In article <384.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com> allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)  writes:
> I was wondering if anyone could give a review of the Wizzard Stunt
> Kite.  I have a Sky Burner which is fast and pulls a lot and was looking
> for something a little different.  I think I saw a Wizzard but am not
> sure.  Anyway,  if anyone out there has one or has flown one and could
> give a little apprasial of the kite I would appreciate it.

I also have a Wizard and a Skyburner.  The Wizard is a nice kite -- it's much
faster than the Skyburner.  It has a very tight turning radius, making it good
for radical flying.  It's fairly precise, although it's not as precise as the
Skyburner since it flies so fast.  The Wizard has less pull than the Skyburner
since it's a six foot kite, but that also means it requires more wind.  The
fiberglass-sparred version can fly in a 6 to 35 mph wind.  I haven't tried the
graphite version, so I'm not sure what wind range it flies in.  Overall, I'm
happy with the Wizard -- it's a fun kite to fly, and it would make a good
addition to anyone's kite collection.

-- 
Todd A. Murray - tam@furry.lonestar.org
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy: It's not a newsgroup.  It's a disease.
Newsgroups: rec.mag
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: The Media Monopoly (part 7)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:34:40 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9210050434.AA06784@igc.apc.org> nlns@igc.apc.org (New Liberation News Service) writes:
>everything." Americans pay for the advertising which supports 
>these media by paying *extra* for the goods being promoted in the 
>advertisements. And ironically, "All of this is never made clear 
>to them in the communications they most depend on -- the 
>advertising-supported newspapers, magazines, and commercial 
>broadcasting."

What kind of moron needs this fact pointed out to them?

Oh, sorry; you did say "Americans". Never mind.

Perhaps the writer meant to observe that the media rarely criticise
their advertisers.
From: ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle)
Subject: The NEW Yorker!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 04:34:43 GMT

-- 
		
				Rob Ehle
				Stanford University Press
Xref: sparky rec.mag:192 alt.zines:124
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: World Of Zines
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:13:31 GMT

has anyone heard a release date on it?
(the Mike Gunderloy book)
Xref: sparky rec.mag:189 alt.zines:123
From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (JesusHatesJalapenos)
Newsgroups: rec.mag,alt.zines
Subject: Starting a zine
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:29:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Hey,  I just discovered this group and am pretty inspired to start my own zine next semester after reading ANSWER ME! and COMETBUS.  I was just wondering if anyone out there had any quick tips for someone totally noninformed (me, namely).  Your advice would be muchly appreciated.

boy I sounded like a tight-ass this post...

joe
(aumentad@aludra.usc.edu)


PS  Is ANSWER ME #3 out already?
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Folio: magazine, Masthead magazine
Organization: NDA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:11:16 GMT


If your university or local public library receives Folio: magazine, 
you may enjoy reading through it.  It's the trade magazine for the
U.S. magazine industry, and runs a lot of articles and news items that
the amateur magazine publisher may find interesting. (And it might be
interested in news about your zine, particularly if you obscure the
fact that you publish as a hobby rather than as a business.)

Masthead magazine is its Canadian counterpart, and is available in
some Canadian libraries.
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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Newsprint
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:08:34 GMT


I am interested in finding out about cheap rates in printing using
newsprint instead of regular paper.  Is newsprint cheaper to use?

Thanx for the information.. I edit a Christian metal/thrash magazine
called Cephas...

Phil

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Xref: sparky rec.mag:184 alt.zines:115
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.mag,alt.zines
Subject: Getting A Grant
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:09:23 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Is it possible to obtain a grant if you have a magazine published every
other month? I have been doing my magazine (Cephas) for the last 3 years
and let me tell you it's expensive... if it is possible how do I obtain a
grant?

Thanx I appreciate it.

Phil
Editor, Cephas

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From: AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon)
Subject: Re: Folio:, et al.
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.051116.25142@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
 
>If your university or local public library receives Folio: magazine,
>you may enjoy reading through it.  It's the trade magazine for the
>U.S. magazine industry, and runs a lot of articles and news items that
>the amateur magazine publisher may find interesting. (And it might be
>interested in news about your zine, particularly if you obscure the
>fact that you publish as a hobby rather than as a business.)
 
I usually read MagazineWeek. It also follows the U.S. magazine biz and
it's used in our magazine journalism program. There are copies of
Folio: around this campus, but they're hard to find.
 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  A n d r e w   V e r n o n =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                    Living Between the Lines....
                       Anything is possible...
                      And we're gonna prove it!
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From: nlns@igc.apc.org (New Liberation News Service)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: The Media Monopoly (part 1)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 01:37:43 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

/* Written  4:43 pm  Sep 20, 1992 by bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu in cdp:alt.activism */
/* ---------- "The Media Monopoly (part 1)" ---------- */

The Media Monopoly

by Ben H. Bagdikian

Part 1 -- Preface

----------------------------------------------------------------

"Each year it is more likely that the American citizen who turns 
to any medium... will receive information, ideas, or 
entertainment controlled by the same handful of corporations, 
whether it is daily news, a cable entertainment program, or a 
textbook." Thus writes author Ben H. Bagdikian in the 1990 
preface to his book.

Bagdikian declares that the difference between our government and 
the corporate entity of business is getting harder and harder to 
delineate. "Corporate news media and business-oriented 
governments have made common cause."

A historical parallel between the current situation and something 
similar from the past is cited by the author. "The mainstream 
news media postponed for more than fifty years full public 
awareness of the hidden dangers of the medically known threat to 
public health from tobacco... They did [this] to protect a major 
advertiser." And they are doing the equivalent obfuscations 
today, but this time on a grander scale.

The increasing control of the media by a handful of corporate 
entities means that more and more it is they who control "what 
the average American reads, sees, and hears." And yet "...there 
is a close to total silence in the mainstream news on the social 
consequences of this concentration [of media control]." Our 
access to information is being controlled by persons whom we do 
not know, persons who are pulling the strings of the corporate 
puppet. "When the central interests of the controlling 
corporations are at stake, mainstream American news becomes 
heavily weighted by whatever serves the economic and political 
interests of the corporations that own the media."

One of the dangers in all this is that "...the new corporate 
ethic is so single-minded about extreme fast profits and expanded 
control over the media business that it is willing to convert 
American news into a service for the affluent customers wanted by 
the media's advertisers instead of a source of information 
significant for the whole of society. The rewards of money profit 
through market control by themselves and their advertisers have 
blinded media owners to the damage they are doing to an 
institution central to the American democracy."


----------------------------------------------------------------

Synopsis/Review by Brian Redman
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."
End part 1
From: wbm@freedom.stanford.edu (Wally Mann)
Subject: REDWOOD Organizational Meeting
Originator: wbm@freedom.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: su
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:58:05 GMT

Hi,
The first general meeting of the new REDWOOD student organization
will be Tuesday, Oct 6th at 8:30pm in Tresidder Union room
Cypress North.

REDWOOD (Recreational Educational & Developmental Workshops Out
of Doors) is the new outdoor organization funded by the ASSU
last spring.  REDWOOD will be running outdoor trips and workshops
this year, as well as the First Year Trips project at the
beginning of next Fall.

REDWOOD will function something like an "outdoor SWOPSI" ... we'll
take proposals for workshops, pick the best, and provide logistical
support (training, outdoors expertise, equipment, transportation,
etc) to make it happen.  A "workshop" can be anything from
a recreational backpacking trip to a full quarter seminar on
leadership to a trip with an interesting faculty member.

We're looking for several kinds of people to show up at this
meeting:
 *  People who just want to go on trips and want to know what's up.
 *  Experienced outdoors people who want to lead a trip or teach.
 *  Anyone who wants to help run the REDWOOD organization itself.
 *  Anyone who has an idea for a workshop ... perhaps the 
    representative of a specialty organiation.

Also, look for us at this Thursday's Activities Faire in White
Plaza (along with the Outdoor Education Program).

Thanks,
Wally
wbm@freedom
494-8442
From: hung@informix.com (Ying Hung)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bear bags?  Huh?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:46:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.143117.8186@infonode.ingr.com> lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.015430.10836@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith) writes:
>|>    Also, what are the dangers of bears in the backcountry?  When I was
>|> younger I had a confrontation with a Grizzly Bear at Yellowstone (I think
>|> that's where it was); I didn't really feel too frightened.  What are
>|> the differences betweens black bears and grizzlies, in terms of
>|> aggression, etc.?
>
>What I have heard is:
>
>If you kick a black bear in the butt, it will climb a tree.
>If you kick a grizzly in the butt, you will climb a tree.
>

What I've heard on how to tell the difference between grizzlies and black
bears is:

Kick the bear in the butt then run and climb up a tree.
If the bear climbs up the tree after you then it's a black bear.
If the bear knocks the tree down then it's a grizzly. :)

Ying Hung
hung@informix.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: Identifying snakes
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.192212.633@oracorp.com> davidg@oracorp.com (David Guaspari) writes:
>A question about identifying snakes (mainly interested in the
>distinction poisonous/other):
>
>Yesterday, on a dirt road in upstate New York, I shooed some kids away
>from a snake that had 
>
>  (a) a flat, triangular head
>  (b) a heavy body
>
>-- the standard identifying characteristics of pit vipers -- but did
>*not* have
>
>  (c) slit-like pupils (the pupils of the eyes were round, or perhaps
>only seemed so from the possibly-greater-than-necessary distance from
>which I studied them)
...
>Any informed opinions on what kind of snake it was?

	What were the markings?  Size?  Might have been a hog-nosed
snake (they bluff...imitating a poisonous snake).
-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
From: egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: more bad reports on MSR filter
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:45:28 GMT

In article <lcjsi6INNbk0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:

|> When he got back, he went to REI and bought a Pur filter.  One
|> objection to the MSR is that it cannot be operated left-handed
|> when your right wrist is sore from paddling.


I object.  I've operated the MSR using my left hand and my knees.  I
got tired of pumping slightly quicker, but it was quite doable.


 - Dania
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