HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: Re: Waffle vs. UUCP/rn on Coherent?
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:03:00

In article <F3yFPB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
#ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
#
#> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
#> 
#> > If you can give me some detailed reasons as to why I should not be giving
#> > Coherent serious consideration, I'd love to hear them before I toss out the
#> > $100 or whatever it is by now.
#> 
#> You might want to give Linux some consideration, and you don't
#> have to throw ANY money out there, and besides, Waffle has
#> already been ported to Linux by Vince Skahan.
#
#I followed progress on linux for a few months over the linux-activists mailing
#list, and still occasionally lurk about in the comp.os.linux newsgroup.  That
#is all neat and ok, but...
#
#Your follow-up has absolutely nothing for me.  I asked for some detailed
#reasons as to why Coherent should not be considered over Waffle... not, "is it
#possible to run Waffle on Linux?"  The WHOLE idea was to AVOID using Waffle.
#As a newsreader, it just plain sucks.
#
#For those who don't know, Waffle is an application that will run on a variety
#of OS's, and for MS-DOS it provides uucico, uucp, uux, uuxqt; all quite useful
#in talking to Usenet providers.  It also allows one to read/post news and email.
#As a news/mailreader, it is fairly plain and unexciting.  There are problems
#with Waffle's uucico... I cannot reliably feed 2400 bps systems.
#
#For me, though, my request for reasons to avoid Coherent has already been
#aptly fulfilled.  Thanks go to sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
#for his succinct analysis.

Well, I'm not saying that anyone should avoid Coherent 4.0.1; after
all, I've ordered and paid for two copies for myself!  I'm just
warning newcomers about some very specific items that could cause
trouble.  I know that MWC is working on these issues, although no one
can predict exactly when they will be solved.  Certainly, the easily
fixed problems are likely to be corrected in the next minor release.
(About three months away, I'd guess.)  The tougher problems (gcc,
hardware floating point) will likely require more time (mostly
testing), but I would expect them to be solved before any really fancy
stuff (virtual memory, shared libraries, decent SLIP, etc.) is
delivered.  MWC cannot afford to have too many loose ends hanging at
the same time.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:53:56 GMT
From: lychan@socs.uts.edu.au (91031322 l y chan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent 4.0 questions

I'm considering buying a copy of Coherent 4.0 and I've the following
questions:

1.  What is the hardware requirement, e.g. disk space, CPU make/speed, RAM

2.  How compatible is this compared with Unix?

3.  Is there any version of X-window that would run on Coherent, and 
    what about GUI desktops?

4.  I'm interested in hearing comments from people who are using it


Thanks!
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Seeing links
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:36:45 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde) writes:
: In article <1992Aug11.193458.12647@delfin.com> beehive!paul@cirrus.com writes:
: >
: >Comparing inode numbers is easier and 100% reliable (when the files
: >are in the same partition).
: 
: Hard links only work within a partition.  Does coherent support symbolc links?

No, from 3.0 - 4.0 it doesn't.
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From: scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein MD)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Now this is a real cc bug
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:00:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Organization: Yale University, Center for Medical Informatics

In article <2a930d11wnr070@ark.abg.sub.org>, ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf
Stephan) wrote:
> 
> cc test.c belches with: "In cc1: Internal compiler error : EDFA40"
> 
> Please don't tell me it's constructed, because I found it when
> compiling mhitu.c of Nethack 3.0 PL 9.  Fortunately this works:
> 

> Now where's my sixpack?

Aww, stop picking on MWC.

I had a similar problem from a simpler piece of code on an IBM370
with the PL/I-optimizing compiler a number of years ago.

Solution was similar, too.  Imagine - if IBM can do it, so can MWC.
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0.1; some bad things
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:36:45 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger) writes:
( lines deleted )
: > #> 9) CURSES failure; some PD software (chess from mwcbbs) that uses
: > #> curses will run properly only if it is NOT recompiled under 4.0.1; the
: > #> recompilation reports no errors but produces bizzare output.
: >                                                 ^^^^^^^ bizarre
: > #
: > # 4.0 has 2 curses libraries. libcurses.a is terminfo curses, libtermcap.a
: > # is termcap based curses. Try to compile this with -ltermcap.
: >
: > Will do tonight.  A lot of makefiles will need changing.  I also tried
: > recompiling Udo Munk's rogue port both with its internal curses and
: > with the 4.0 curses library; they linked but crashed under 4.0.1,
: > perhaps the termcap library will help here also.  The old 3.2 binary
: > works fine.

Use my terminfo source which I've posted here for ansipc.
Rogue runs fine if you add -VPSTR to the CFLAGS options in the Makefile.
I've found so far absolutely _no_ program, which doesn't run under 4.0
and runs under 3.x before. But there are lot of programs, which need
-VPSTR as an cc option, so if one of the 3.x ports crashes under 4.0
add this option to cc.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jtanlimc@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Jay Tanlimco)
Subject: IDE DRIVES
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:11:36 GMT

I'm about to get a new 486 to install Coherent 4.0.  After reading 
the FAQ, I thought I'd get some responses from the net on  which
IDE drives work with Coherent.  If you have some time, please send
me a message of the brand, size and model of the IDE drive you have.

If you had a bad experience with an IDE drive, I'd also like to hear
from you.  Actually more so.  If there's an interest, I'll post a
summary on the net.  Thanks.

--
John Jay Tanlimco
jtanlimc@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Subject: Wanted for ECSBBS: Contents.32bit
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:03:06 GMT


Hi, 


it would be nice if someone can email me the Contents.32bit - File of
MWCBBS.
It sounds a bit weird that I as sysop of ECSBBS, one of those:

Preferred COHERENT Bulletin Boards  (Coherent Installation Guide)

ask for that but besides some articles I found here in comp.os.coherent
I yet have no idea what MWCBBS actual has for Coherent 4.0.

Are there also some updates (bug fixes) for 4.0 ?

Any hints/help appreciated,

Joachim


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| Geschwister-Scholl-Str. 48 +----------------------------------------------|
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From: dfilip@colornet.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: CNEWS under 4.0
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:32:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Summary: Will the existing CNEWS on MWCBBS work with 4.0 ?

Once MWC ships me my REAL 'Disk 2', I hope to get 4.0 up real soon, and
want to try installing C-news. Has anyone tried building the C-news
distribution from MWCBBS under 4.0, or should I try and get the 'full'
distribution from a neighboring site ? (and try to answer all the questions
and figure out whether Coherent is more like Xenix, or more like BSD, or
more like SVR4, or more like ...) ?

Thanks,

Dave.
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=   ColorNet Information Systems  CIS    : 76430,3111                       =
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Who are you?
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:30:39 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

karl@dadoka.h.ni.schule.de (Karl Sarnow) writes:
: bill@glidden.UUCP (Bill Glidden) writes:
: 
: > I don't think having general read access to passwd is inherently unsafe. What
: > may be unsafe is that some system administrators fail to put passwords on
: > ALL user ids, and anyone reading the passwd file can see which user ids do
: > not have passwords. Forcing passwords solves this problem.
: 
: I know, tha second entry in the /etc/passwd file is encrypted. But isn't there
: a way to crack the encryption? I read in a book on systems security, that
: rsh (restricted shell) could help setup a restricted (safe) environment
: for "critical" groups of persons. Has anyone heard of this shell? If so,
: where can I get it?

It can be done, as an example by the program crack, which was posted some
time ago in one of the source newsgroups. HOLD THIS PROGRAM FAR AWAY FROM
YOUR SYSTEM, IT'S VERY GOOD! But it only has success, if the password is
a word in any language. It knows about upper-/lower case mixing in
passwords, and about users, who adds the current year to the end of a
word. However, it fails on passwords like Xcd43gHlKo, if your password
looks like this, it's very hard to crack (it need years with a fast computer).
Rsh is a copyrighted program from AT&T for System V, as far as I know there
is no public domain version of it available.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: The need for high bandwidth busses (was: Coherent 4.0.1 and the 16 Mbyte limit)
Sensitivity: Personal
Encoding:  23 TEXT , 4 TEXT 
Conversion: Prohibited
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Conversion-With-Loss: Prohibited
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:08:36 GMT

> I think that EISA is a good thing
> for installations with multiple big drives running under heavy loads
> as industrial strength file servers. 

Why is this the popular (mis)conception ????

Haven't people bothered to figure out how much bandwidth it takes to get good
animation onto a screen?  Aren't people pretty darned underimpressed by the
apparent speed of MS-Widows or X on a PeeCee??  Why in the flark don't they
realize that a LARGE amount of that problem is caused by bus bandwidth (or 
rather, the lack thereof) on AT/ISA bus systems.

I believe, however, that this has finally gotten through the thick skulls
of the Buying Public.  I remember seeing a blurb on a magazine cover recently
shouting about `Local Bus' video boards ...  Which would, of course, be
one good way to sidestep the ISA bus.  But shouldn't `LocalBus' be a
less-good solution since it's usually implemented differently for each
motherboard since it was normally a way to get a 32-bit wide data path
to RAM.

BTW, can someone tell me the bandwidth for EISA ??  I'd read somewhere
that it was on the order of 10-15 MBytes/sec and that ISA is 1-5 MBytes/sec.
(Or was that MBits/sec??)

<- David Herron <david@twg.com>, Just: Another E-Mail hacker ...
<- Personal-Mail-To: David Herron <david@davids.mmdf.com>
<- As for the prevalence of gratuitous stupidity in modern life, well,
<- need I say more than "MS-DOS"? -- Bill Janssen
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:19:30 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <LF7gPB1w164w@gorilla.nbn.com> holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
>aph@OCLC.ORG ("Andrew P. Houghton") writes:
>
>> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>> : dennis@fnbc.com (Dennis Box ) writes:
>> :
>> : > Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit releas
>> : >
>> : > Well?
>> :
>> : Just as soon as I receive my update, I promise to post lots of first, secon
>> : and third impressions.
>> :
>> 
>> I have been running 4.0 for about a week.  I think they rushed it too
>> soon.  I crashed it several times.  Once I booted my machine cold it
>> got thru "loading Coherent" and the file system check then /bin/sh
>> died and trashed my file system.  Reinstall from scratch.  The uucp
>
>
>Oh, how I hope this is not true.  I had this problem with 3.2, which
>eventually after about 10 (or more) file system trashings, caused me 
>to wipe it off my hard disk entirely and put DOS back on.  I guess all 
>I can do is sit and wait for my upgrade, and hope this does not happen a
>second time.  I don't think I'm enough of a unix guru to go to linux
>or BSD...

I've run Alpha, Beta, and now the full release 4.0.  I was running news
and mail from the first day, and I've been compiling GNU software.  I've
never had a crash or a panic.

I have a 386/33 with AMI BIOS and OPTI chipset.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: mcampbel@ocoee.cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 4.0, Low level IO and problems...
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:02:02 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <1992Aug13.222206.21764@ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> drsmith@uts.EDU.AU (D Smith) writes:
>2 - forgetting to use the right type on a scanf causes a core dump
>	eg scanf ("%d",i)  where i is an int.

I think this SHOULD give a core dump.  If 'i' is outside your memory area, 
then this is correct.  (Isn't it?)
Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:3637 comp.bbs.waffle:1774
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle vs. UUCP/rn on Coherent?
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:59:50 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:

> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> 
> > If you can give me some detailed reasons as to why I should not be giving
> > Coherent serious consideration, I'd love to hear them before I toss out the
> > $100 or whatever it is by now.
> 
> You might want to give Linux some consideration, and you don't
> have to throw ANY money out there, and besides, Waffle has
> already been ported to Linux by Vince Skahan.

I followed progress on linux for a few months over the linux-activists mailing
list, and still occasionally lurk about in the comp.os.linux newsgroup.  That
is all neat and ok, but...

Your follow-up has absolutely nothing for me.  I asked for some detailed
reasons as to why Coherent should not be considered over Waffle... not, "is it
possible to run Waffle on Linux?"  The WHOLE idea was to AVOID using Waffle.
As a newsreader, it just plain sucks.

For those who don't know, Waffle is an application that will run on a variety
of OS's, and for MS-DOS it provides uucico, uucp, uux, uuxqt; all quite useful
in talking to Usenet providers.  It also allows one to read/post news and email.
As a news/mailreader, it is fairly plain and unexciting.  There are problems
with Waffle's uucico... I cannot reliably feed 2400 bps systems.

For me, though, my request for reasons to avoid Coherent has already been
aptly fulfilled.  Thanks go to sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
for his succinct analysis.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: robt@is.morgan.com (Rob Torop)
Subject: Micro Channel?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Distribution: comp.os.coherent
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:58:39 GMT

Does coherent work on PS/2 machines?
--
-- Rob Torop

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From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Now this is a real cc bug
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:56:06 GMT

In <scott_silverstein-200892155858@lasagne.med.yale.edu> scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein MD) writes:


>Aww, stop picking on MWC.
agreed.
>I had a similar problem from a simpler piece of code on an IBM370
>with the PL/I-optimizing compiler a number of years ago.

>Solution was similar, too.  Imagine - if IBM can do it, so can MWC.
gachhhkkkkkkkkk!!! NO!

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: daler@Armstrong.EDU (Dale Reagan)
Subject: Coh 4.0.1 with bad disk#2...
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Summary: What could/should I do to bring the system up manually?
Keywords: Coherent 4.0.1, update problem
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:29:30 GMT

I received my 4.0 update on Friday and tried to install on Saturday...

Disk #2 was a copy of disk #1 so I could not complete the install...

I have already spoken with MWC and they said a new disk will be sent
in about a week...

My question(s):

	1. What is on disk # 2?

	2. What remains to be done after all disks are installed that
	   I can do by hand (so that I can bring my system up...)?

I am running 4.0 but want to make sure that I have 'all to main things'
before I start trying to port software, etc...

Thanks!

:)
Dale
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: michaelc@vicstoy.UUCP (Michael Campbell)
Subject: Re: Question about /dev/lp* permissions
Organization: vicstoy: Public Access Unix, Orlando, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:45:00 GMT

Ok, what am I doing wrong?  NOW the /dev/com* and the /dev/lp* devices  ALL
say 'cannot create /dev/<whatever>' when I try to write to them.  The 
permissions are 666 on all of them.  

Why can't I put anything to the serial ports? (and the printer ports?)

Question 2:

My caps lock and control keys were reversed.  Looking at the manual under
nkb and keyboard, I saw the example on how to revamp the /conf/kbd/us.c
file for this very problem.  I did that, and now the control keys are ok, but
the caps lock is still acting like a control key.  (And the escape key is
the numlock key).

Does there exist a utility to read a key and tell me its number, so that I
may modify the us.c file?

Much a priori thanks!
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Split files at Raven.alaska.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:52:29 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

Is there some reason why people are chopping up the files being posted
to Raven?  Is there some reason why the keeper of Raven (grin) isn't
glueing them back together?

Just curious...

Chris
From: clemens@ms.uky.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: (none)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:03:42 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I am running a MAXI TOUCH model 2189xxx-xx-xxx (honest!) with zero
problems runnins virtual screens.  Can't say it is my favorite keyboard
but then Coherent won't run on a Mac.


Richard Clemens    Associate Professor of Business and Computer Science
                   West Virginia Wesleyan College
                   Buckhannon, WV  26201  (304) 473-8480
                   acpwvw!auxrcc!clemens@ms.uky.edu
From: dans%danix@UUNET.UU.NET (Dan Simoes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Duplicate disks 1 and 2
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:18:31 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Danix Consulting

An easy way to check the contents of each disk is to simply mount
them one at a time, and see what's on it:

mount /dev/fha0 /f0
cd /f0
ls -l

You will see for the first disk a file called Coh_400.1, and for
the second, Coh_400.2.

I did not receive duplicate disks, and I have not yet done the upgrade.
I am waiting for a new disk, so I will be doing a new install rather than
a reinstall (I'll just restore my files later).

| Dan |


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit release?