HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr)
Subject: Re: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 14
Originator: rkidwell@slash.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:25:11 GMT

From article <64281@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan):
> In article <36084@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>>In article <92205.211559IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>>>With nobody on, the batter hits a high pop-up in front of the
>>>plate. The catcher gets into position to make the catch, but loses
>>>sight of the ball just before it comes down and bounces off his
>>>glove, which is over the plate. The ball squirts to the backstop.
>>>The catcher retrieves the ball and throws it back to the pitcher.
>>>The pitcher takes his position on the rubber, the catcher and
>>>batter go to their boxes, and the pitcher pitches. The batter
>>>grounds the ball back to the pitcher, and the pitcher throws the
>>>ball to first for the out. How is this play scored?

If the ball was touched in fair territory, then it is a fair ball. Home
plate is in fair territory.
Since there is no mention of the what ump did, I assume he did nothing-
this indicates a fair ball. (no requirement to say anything when the ball
is fair)
So the play continues: catcher throws to pitcher (valid), batter stays
in the box (valid), pitcher throws (valid), BUT the batter re_hits the
ball(invalid). I would say the batter is out upon re_hitting the throw
back to the catcher, and the ensuing throw to first is inconsequential.

rck

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Turk and cubs dl?
Keywords: turk
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:37:26 GMT


Jeesh, can't believe I've stooped to ask a question about
the girly cubs but here goes:

The iowa cubs are strolling into MileHigh for a 4 game
series with the Denver Zephyrs starting on Sat Aug. 1.

Is the famed Turk Wendell still on the DL?
If not I'd like to see him pitch again in MileHigh.

so who out there has the scoop on the health of the wacko?
thanks for any info...

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From: twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Past World Series
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:21:10 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <Brur22.LsL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have a list of past World Series?  By that I mean a list of
>>the two teams who played in it each year and which one won.
>

   Once again, The Sporting News Complete Baseball Record Book 199x
   (it's released annually) has the answers to such queries.  Available
   at any worthwhile bookstore.

>
>i'll try the last 10 off the top of my head....
>
>1991: Twins over Braves 4-3
>1990: Reds over A's 4-0
>1989: A's over Giants 4-0
>1988: Dodgers over A's 4-1
>1987: Twins over Cardinals  (memory starting to fail me)
>1986: Mets over Red Sox
>1985: Royals over Cardinals???
>1984: Tigers over Padres
>1983: Orioles and Cardinals???
>1982: Royals and Phillies???
>1981: Yankees and Dodgers???
>1980: Brewers and Phillies???

   However, since my copy is at home, I'll use the memory cells as well...

1991:  Twins 4-Braves 3
1990:  Reds 4-Athletics 0
1989:  Athletics 4-Giants 0
1988:  Dodgers 4-Athletics 1
1987:  Twins 4-Cardinals 3
1986:  Mets 4-Red Sox 3    :(
1985:  Royals 4-Cardinals 3
1984:  Tigers 4-Padres 1
1983:  Orioles 4-Phillies 2?
1982:  Cardinals 4-Brewers 3
1981:  Dodgers 4-Yankees 2  :)
1980:  Phillies 4-Royals 2
1979:  Pirates 4-Orioles 3
1978:  Yankees 4-Dodgers 2
1977:  Yankees 3 + Reggie 1-Dodgers 2
1976:  Reds 4-Yankees 0
1975:  Reds 4-Red Sox 3  :(  (the ultimate "red October")

prior to this, the Athletics reeled off three in a row, before them the
Orioles made it to three straight, before then the Cardinals were always
showing up, and in 1967 the Red Sox lost in seven.  Earlier than this you
get back into the Yankees-Dodgers tilts.  If someone really wants the
complete list, I'll type it up over the weekend.


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From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Subject: Re: Reasonably priced good team
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:38:39 GMT


In a previous article, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) says:

>In an aside to the common practice of assembling (usually) high-priced
>`Dream Teams', my friend Juan and I today went about the task of
>creating what we thought was a pretty good team of reasonably priced
>players.  We thought that we would have to be careful and exclude players
>who are almost assured of getting enormous contracts shortly (i.e. Frank
>Thomas).  Our picks for the NL
>
>OF  Cory Snyder (dirt cheap)
>OF  Felix Jose
>OF  Otis Nixon
>1B  Mark Grace (how much does he make?)
>2B  Delino DeShields
>SS  ?
>3B  Anybody except Matt Williams is OK
>C   Mike LaValliere
>P   Bill Swift
>P   Kent Hill
>P   Bob Tewksbury
>
> What about the AL?

  My AL picks would be

OF -- D. Hamilton, K. Lofton, J. Buhner
1B -- Sorrento
2B -- Baerga or Knoblauch
SS -- Listach or Stankiewicz
3B -- Ventura or Martinez (not sure how much these guys make)
C -- Rodriguez

P  Charles Nagy
P  Dave Fleming
P  Kevin Tapani

any good?

SfH

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: YEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:44:46 GMT


After watching the Cubs put together a pitching clinic on the Reds 1-0,
I flipped the cable box from WGN to SportsChannel to see how Rick
Sutcliffe was doing against the White Sox. It didn't look good in
the 7th. By the time the 8th came around I stopped watching, but
left the TV on to continue playing PTP. Down 7-2 and the Sox basically
looking like the Cubs offensively, what else was there to think?

Meanwhile, the Sox started their eruption that left Sut w/o a win,
the O's pen in a shambles, and the Sox with an 8-run inning, good
enough for a 10-7 win.

Life is good again in Chicago.

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Lost In Austria Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles Tickets: Plea for help and/or info
Summary: Vengeance is mine, sayeth the redhead.
Keywords: Kirsch, Chalk Line, Statistic, Pleasure Monkey
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:56:05 GMT
Organization: People currently better dressed than David Grabiner.

(Dave "Maynard" Kirsch) writes:
>  If anyone out there can help me out, I'd be willing to compensate you with 
>a computer retouched picture of one of our favourite red-headed netters from
>Davis, CA. (I'm dead serious.) You can name your graphic file format. I won't
>discuss specifics, but I will say that this picture will probably make you
>laugh so hard it'll bring tears to your eyes.

Laugh while you can, monkey boy.  I remind you that you'll likely get
a chance to hit off of me when you're out here.  Hope you're well
insured.  

>If that's not what you're
>looking for, I'm sure we can arrange some other form of compensation. 

Remember, Kirsch is noted not only for his limberness, but also his
supple, baby-like skin and back hair as well.

>"Try new Fortenberry wine coolers, with a biting, bitter taste" - Noel Steere
>Slanguage dictionary: maynard - "to insult with disdain and contempt" 

I had some Fortenberry jam this morning, but it had a fetid taste, and
it stuck to the roof of my mouth.  Kind of like the words "Bush - the
education President."

"Make Mine Lundy" - J.S. Mill.
"Check the other pocket.  Maybe it's there.  Ooooh." - G. Spira
"Well, I only have two months to live." - D. Kirsch, at a bar near
you.

Obligatory baseball tidbit for this post:

Latest trade rumor has Lance Blankenship and Dave Henderson going to
Chicago for Greg Maddux and Hector Villanueva.  Let's see how the week
goes.  The Cubs, I would think, would shy away from this, as it would
give them two players who get on base more than 30% of the time.  It
would solve the Cubs 3B problem fairly well, I would think.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: Yankees..Whats UP?
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.202948.1215@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> josh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (joshua.h.rosenbluth) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.172502.14931@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>
>>Dave Silvestri will not be a major league shortstop.  He can't field.
>>He can hit, but cannot field, and you cannot afford that at the
>>shortstop level.  Shortstop will be the permanent home of possibly
>>Eenhorn before it is Silvestri's.
>
>In today's USA Today there is an article on the Yankee farm system, in which
>they mention Eenhorn.  What is Eenhorn's background?  Why, at age 24 is he in
>A ball (at least he started the season there), while Silvestri, also at 24,
>is in AAA?
>
>Josh Rosenbluth (attmail!jrosenbluth)

Read the same article.  Silvestri is up because of his bat.  Remember,
SIlvestri ONLY had 30 errors at shortstop.  30 errors at shortstop
will not land him a job at shortstop.  He really has no positions.
Eenhorn is more a defensive shortstop who has just started to show
that he can hit.  Due to his progress with his hitting, he is now at
Albany, their AA affiliate.


-Mike

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Cone threw how many pitches?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:28:20 GMT


rrmst3+@pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari) writes:

>While watching some of the Dodgers/Mets game tonite I remembered something
>I heard a day or so ago, but I just can't believe is true.  According to the
>some announcers (I can't remember who since I don't remember which game I was
>watching at the time), David Cone threw *166* pitches in his start last week.
>Can anyone confirm/deny this?  And on the same subject, what's the record for
>most pitches thrown by one pitcher in a game.  I'd especially like to hear
>what the record is for the last 15 or so years.

Well, I was watching the Giants/Mets game the other day and the announcers
were talking about how much was being made of this in the New York press,
and how it's really been blown out of proportion because Cone throws so
much off-speed stuff. In contrast they said that Nolan Ryan once threw
something like 230 or 240 pitches in one game.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Support-Neutral W/L Report -- AL (and NL)
Organization: NSSL
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:00:01 GMT

I've done some shifting around and collecting of info from both the 
AL and NL reports and included some comments....

In article <1992Jul23.171027.20567@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:
>
>                  AL Support-Neutral Win/Loss Report
>                (through games of Wednesday, July 22)
>Luckiest 10 AL Starters (ranked by (W - E(W)) + (E(L) - L)):
>
>    Pitcher       Team    E(W)  E(L)    W  L   Diff.
>---------------------------------------------------
>1.  Morris         TOR    7.2   8.4    12  3   10.1
>2.  Brown,K        TEX    9.6   7.4    14  6    5.8
>

Gee, whiz.  Morris sticks out like a sore thumb.

>Bottom 10 AL Starters (ranked by SNW - SNL):
>
>Pitcher       Team    SNW   SNL  SNPct    W  L    RA     APR   SNVA
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Armstrong      CLE    4.2   9.7  0.302    2 13   6.55  -25.6  -2.68
>
>Unluckiest 10 AL Starters (ranked by (W - E(W)) + (E(L) - L)):
>
>    Pitcher       Team    E(W)  E(L)    W  L   Diff.
>----------------------------------------------------
>1.  Abbott         CAL    8.3   5.9     4 11   -9.4
>2.  Armstrong      CLE    4.2   9.7     2 13   -5.5

>Bottom 10 NL Starters (ranked by SNW - SNL):
>
>Pitcher       Team    SNW   SNL  SNPct    W  L    RA     APR   SNVA
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Abbott         PHI    3.0   6.6  0.312    1 11   5.34  -11.8  -1.73

>Unluckiest 10 NL Starters (ranked by (W - E(W)) + (E(L) - L)):
>
>    Pitcher       Team    E(W)  E(L)    W  L   Diff.
>----------------------------------------------------
>1.  Abbott         PHI    3.0   6.6     1 11   -6.4

How about Messrs. Armstrong and Abbott (PHI)?  Being both bad _and_
extremely unlucky is a devastating combination.  And what is it about
the name Abbott that leads to such bad luck?  The revenge of Lou 
Costello, perhaps, for causing such mental anguish during the "Who's
on First" routine?

Interesting stuff, Michael.

Harold



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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:33:31 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

just something that comes to mind. before the season, danny tartabull
 was portrayed as moody, surly, etc.  bill james, who hardly
 ever is on the same side of the fence as most baseball writers
 said some really nasty comments about tartabullt's personality
 in his book this yera.

but you know what?  in new york, the press and fans love him.  i mean,
 completely adore the guy.  although his offensive stats are usually,
 in the glamour categories (hr, rbi) higher than bonilla, he has been
 lower than bobby bo for most of the season. but whereas bonilla's
 been attacked unmercifully by the fans, tartabull has been given a
 nothing of the kind, except niceness.

- bob gaj
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From: silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman)
Subject: Re: Suspended Game?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:54:30 GMT

heilig@crchh120.bnr.ca (Timothy Heilig) writes:
>Could someone please tell me what the official
>rule is in this situation:

>Game tied 0-0 after 5 innings.  In top of sixth, 
>visiting team plates a run, but rain stops play 
>before top of inning is complete.  What is the 
>official ruling if play is not resumed?

I belive that this becomes a tie game.
>Also, is the ruling the same if it is in extra innings?
Yes.

>When if ever does a game end in a tie.
When it is called for rain and tied. Note that games called for darkness are
suspended, even if tied, and resumed later. (Presumably because its a little
less obvious when its just a little too dark to play than when it is monsooning.
Also because a game can only be called on account of rain after at least 40min
or so of rain delay.)
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:14:30 GMT

In article <5179@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>Luck is random. The "slippery essence ... " is superstar A giving
>it 100% even when he's so tired he wants to sit down, while
>superstar B, in the same situation, does not.  It is people playing
>when hurt.

Can I predict ahead of time which superstar is going to give 100% and which
isn't?  Can I predict ahead of time which injury is going to allow the
player to play hurt, and which isn't?

In other words, can I distinguish the "slippery essence" from "luck"?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Metrodome roof/et.al. was Re: Aturf
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:36:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Walls of the Poor

In article <54839@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary James Jasdzewski) writes:

[I called the hefty bag at MetroDome "The Blue Meanie."]

>  Blue Meanie?  What is the story on this name?  Why did the Metrodome
>people use plastic bags for that wall?

They really don't call it the Blue Meanie. I was always fond of the Yellow
Subamarine and so that's what I occasionally call it. It's derived from "Blue
Monster." A polite tip of the cap to Fenway.

The official nickname is "The Hefty Bag". They used that to cover up the
moveable seats. (The seats fold down for football games.) Originally, the
Dome was without the "bag" and it was too easy to get a cheap homer into
the right field. The bag raises the wall by about 18 feet, I think.

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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings via E-mail Available
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:27:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises News and Information Department (Sports Division)

In article <14pes8INNcnr@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>I post and e-mail the standings from Berkeley, California, USA which is seven
>hours behind GMT. I try to have them updated by 9AM (PAC), 12PM (EAST), and
>4PM (GMT).
>
>Send any replies to jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu. Thanks.

To clear things up, I will still keep posting the updated standings on the
rec.sport.baseball newsgroup in addition to having a mailing list. :)

Just my little contribution to fellow baseball fans around the world!

Joe Hernandez (avid Dodger fan stuck in Northern California)
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From: palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: The Economics Institute for Journalists
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:39:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.030944.22822@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
...

> I can say that statistics tell me that Puckett and Bonds are both great 
> players but that I think that Puckett just might have the edge over Bonds 
> because he has the rings.  Stats are ok.  They just don't tell us as much
> as we would like.  You have to have a little faith that there is more to 
> the universe than what we can measure with statistics.
> 
	How would you characterize the information, "Puckett has two
rings"? Isn't that a stat?

	I might also add that, like Runs and RBIs, it is a stat that
is highly dependent on the performances of the other members of the
team and probably conveys no additional information about individual
performances than would be conveyed by SLG, OBP, and DA.

> Stats can give you approximations - "ball-park" figures if I may - of a
> player's worth.  Anybody looking at the stats of Salazar and Bonds will
> know immediately that there is no comparison.  But until you can prove to
> me that the "intangibles" are not a factor in a player's performance and
> can prove that statistical discrepencies are solely due to luck then I
> can't believe that any objective measure of a players worth can be made.

	I agree that intangibles probably exist and probably affect
players' performances. The trouble is that I know of no method that
can be used to establish what those intangibles are, how to identify
them, how to identify how important they are, or how to measure their
contribution to team wins. Hence, even if they exist, how can one
distinguish between the effects of these intangibles and purely random
effects? 

> -- 
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for SS'
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.221213.22427@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.175058.4404@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>>AMERICAN LEAGUE
>>>Travis Fryman, Detroit		5.82
>>
>>Does this include his stats from 3rd base as well? 
>
>Yes.  There was no way that I could separate the 3B/SS stats, so I just put
>a player into a position if he had started more than 1/3 of the team's games
>there.  Tino Martinez, for example, qualified under 1B and DH.

You'll probably find that looks even better, if you can find a way to separate
those; he's always hit better at SS (dunno why). In fact the move to short 
got him hitting well enough to get promoted to #3 in the order, which got him 
hitting even better. Kind of looks like the Tigers will not try too hard to 
keep Trammell after this year, given that they have a more than adequate
replacement. Pity. I'd like to see Lou and Alan end their careers in Detroit
together.

Mike
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From: hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Taking Third
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:26:01 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

What is the value of third base when there are two outs?  Is it ever worth the risk to steal third with two outs?  I know the old saying "never make the first or third out of an inning at third," but is that always the case.  Can someone tell me a situaltion when you go against this rule?

-Brian