From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: The reason for Rage
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:17:43 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul22.225739.22409@leland.Stanford.EDU>, farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.120733.8852@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> 
>>Yes, but I remember a post about being upset that the police viewed
>>the mal/male rape as being 'icky'. Let's face it, homosexuals are
>>discriminated against in employment, promotions, friendship, social
>>activities, and, in TRYING TO GET WOMEN TO GO OUT WITH THEM!!!
> 
> This is one of the stupider things I've seen on the net.  Look, the
> discrimination and harassment lesbigay people face are real.  They
> include discrimination in jobs, in housing, in serving in the
> military, not being allowed to marry, being physically attacked,
> kicked out of churches, etc.  They range from stupid annoyances to
> life threatening problems.  But in getting women to go out with them?
> Some homosexuals are women, remember?  And why should gay men be
> interested in sexual relationships with women?

Had you read the answer in relation to the question posed, you know, in
context, you might have known that the statement was why I would not want
people to think I was gay (aside from the fact I am not, and as proud of it as
any homosexual is of their orientation.) Now, if you stil have trouble figuring
out my post, e-mail me, so we do not waste bandwith explaining a
what has already been clarified a couple of times.

> 
>>If nothing else, the LAST thing I need is to have women avoid going
>>out with me for fear I may have caught AIDS the night before. It really
>>ruins the chances for an intimate interlude.
> 
> Oh, I see, the bad thing about men raping men is that it may ruin your
> chances of getting laid.

Nope, just one bad thing. And, only if I were to broadcast it.

> 
> First of all, gay does not mean HIV infection.  Second, men who rape
> other men are not necessarily gay.  Third, the current rate of HIV
> infection in hetero women is the highest of all groups.  I seriously
> doubt that it comes from women sleeping with hetero men who have been
> raped by men.

All very true. You've been reading your AIDS updates. However, to be 
homosexual in this country means doctors are hesitant to operate, dentists
don't want to clean your teeth, people look at you like you carry the plague,
and women are far less likely to go out with a bisexual man than they 
would a straight man. Why? Because AIDS has no symptoms, and it kills.
Yes, I would have my regular AIDS tests done, but I would not braodcast it to
the world.

> 
>>However, let me ask YOU a question. Would you care if I braodcast to your
>>employers, co-workers, and friends you'd been bu-fu by another man???
>>Or, do the opinions of those who can hire and fire you matter on this.
> 
> Well, hmmmm, if you think your rape by another man would result in
> people assuming you're gay and firing you, then it looks as if you do
> have some reason for being concerned about lesbigay rights, no?

Nope. When you weigh in the odds vs. risks and compare it to all of the other
rpotential worries I have, gay rights (lesbigay, God! What a politically
correct phrase!) rank right up there with, oh, plant rights.

And, if you wish to debate gay rights and stigmas, I believe there is a
newsgroup just for that. Enjoy!


> 
>>Further, I do not care what people think about me as long as it is accurate.
>>I am arrogent, self-centered, rude, sexually uninhibited, somewhat
>>chauvanistic, somewhat prejudiced, and lots of other things. I not only
>>admit to all of that, but I don't care who knows any of that. If
>>they have a problem with it, it's their problem.
>>
>>As for having labels placed on me that are untrue, like homo or rapist, I can
>>live without.
> 
> But why does the label of homosexual hit so hard that you wouldn't
> report a rape?

Well, if I were a rapist, I wouldn't report that either. True, being the victim
of a homosexual rape is not as bad as beign a rapist. But in terms of bad, it
is like comparing being shot with a gun and shot with a cannon. I don't want
EITHER one to happen.

> 
> Could it be, no, no way!  Your homophobia or society's?  If it's the
> former, that's your problem.  If it's the latter, maybe you should be
> concerned about lesbigay rights.

As I said, right after I stop my neighbor from mowing his yard. (Or, of course,
some male rapes me and I am stupid enough to report in instead of solving the
problem myself.)

> 
> (This probably doesn't belong in talk.rape, but I'll be darned if I
> know where it does belong.  Talk.flame perhaps?)
> 

Somebody email him the name of the gay forum. Please. I am tired of explaining
to people the same thing over and over again. 

DC