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From: wfsq_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Billy the Kidd)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Steinberger Tremelo Systems
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:36:41 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


	I recently puchased a Steinberger R-Series Guitar, and am wondering
a few things.  FIrst of all, from anyone with a similar tremelo system (and
I DON'T mean Floyd owners), what are your experienced with locking the bridge
after breaking a string live?  I noticed that it is extremely easy to tune with 
the bridge locked - and even easier to set the string tension accordingly,
once you have done so ... but how does breaking a strings affect this?

	Also, who could I contact about replacing the nut-band (rubber-band
like piece at the nut).  Mine has not split yet, but I hear that they do split
after some heavy-duty use, and would like to be prepared.

	I would appreciate reponses from anyone with similar systems, who
might have been 'around-the-block' with there Steinberger a bit.

	Thanx,

	Billy The Kidd
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Subject: Re: 1948 Tiesco DelRay value?
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:51:11 GMT

In <1992Nov17.233601.18005@cpqhou.compaq.com> scotts@cpqhou.compaq.com (Scott Shaffer @ Compaq Computer Corp.) writes:

*I inherited a '48 Tiesco DelRay about a year ago
*
*I also inherited a 1952 Fender Champ Amp (black face) that
*is in totally mint condition besides the speaker 

There's some decade deviation here.  The DelRay can't be a '48.  The
only solid-body being made at that time was the Fender Broadcaster 
(later renamed to the Telecaster).  '68 or '58 are much more likely 
for this guitar, assuming that the year for it does end in an 8.
Danelectros (also found as Silvertones) from that  period are all over
the place in price, anywhere from $25 at a garage sale to $300 or more
at some "collectors" guitar store.

The Champ is probably a '62, again, assuming that the year ends in a 2.
These are nice little amps, and sound great at full bore.  I would suspect
that you could buy one for anywhere from $150-$200 in L.A.  I bought one
a few years ago for (I think) $125.  PreCBS Champs are the best 8 watt 
amps you'll ever find.

-- archer

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: 880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille)
Subject: Re: Finger noise on strings
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:01:22 GMT

cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:

>In article <TMR.92Nov21125331@fat-controller.bham.ac.uk> tmr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Tim Read) writes:
>>I have a small problem I was hoping someone may have a solution to.
>>
>>The problem is that when I am playing certain quiet bits of music on
>>my acoustic guitar, that involve a lot of left hand finger movement up
>>and down strings, there is an associated squeaking noise made by my
>>fingers rubbing against the metal strings. I can limit it a bit by
>>licking my fingers before playing the piece, but it is a pain. How do
>>others get around this problem? It is not always possible to remove
>>my fingers from the string, because the music is to fast.

>    If you figure out a sure-fire way to do this, open a guitar school and
>make a million!
>    Seriously, I don't know of a technique to eliminate finger squeaking
>other than to try to lift my fingers from the strings as much as possible.


Try baby powder before you play, or try using flat wound strings.
>Even the great classical guitarists like Segovia were/are unable to avoid
>it entirely, as listening to quiet pieces will attest.
> 
>-- 
>   ******************************************************************
>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
>     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Your advice...
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:17:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.021707.12405
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov16.161435.4042@vax.muskingum.edu> kimple@vax.muskingum.edu  
writes:
> In article <dxk21.165.721891335@po.cwru.edu>, dxk21@po.cwru.edu (Dave K.)  
writes:
> >    Suppose a person who is a fan of rock n roll/heavy metal came up
> > to you and said that they just bought a new electric guitar and amp.
> > What would be you advice for this person in terms of what to work on/play
> > first?
> > dk
> Get a distortion pedal, learn barre chords, and turn it up!
> hee hee hee
> okay, maybe not the best way, but it sure is fun at times!
> jd

	Get a book on counterpoint, one on harmonic theory, and another on  
general music theory and become a really good guitarist. [Yes, I know there are  
many great guitarists (such as Steve Howe, et al) who can't read music and  
never took a lesson or studied theory, but look at how many more have]. Learn  
to read music notation (tab doesn't count, though it's useful sometimes), and  
study classical guitar (especially John Williams). And most important:  
practice, practice, practice (not just songs you learn, but tonal, modal, and  
harmonic exercises [both diatonic and chromatic]). 

--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Departments of Physics and Philosophy
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: till@campeau.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: Tubes vs. Transistors
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
	<1992Nov16.165306.19166@spectra.com> <1ec19mINNkp0@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com>
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:10:38

   From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
   Date: 18 Nov 92 00:04:06 GMT
   Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

   ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini) writes:

   >So why use tubes?
   >Simple.  Tubes amplify odd harmonics far superior to transistors.

   This isn't right.  How would any amplification device "know" which harmonics
   are which?  I believe it would be more accurate to say that tube amps, when
   driven into non-linearity (ie, distortion), produce primarily odd harmonics.
   Under the same conditions, transistors produce primarily even harmonics.  It
   can be shown that distortion that consists of odd harmonics is more pleasing
   to most people, and is part of the sound that many guitarists prefer.

Hi.  

Well you're both completely out to lunch, but I'm not going to refute this
odd-harmonics / even-harmonics jibberish anymore -- I've done that plenty
of times previously on rec.audio and alt.guitar, many readers are probably
tired of it, and I'm certainly tired of it.  (If somebody is going to put
together an FAQ...)

But I'd sure be interested in knowing how this crazy urban myth came into
being.  The only source I know of is a bogus example of a fourier analysis
of a transistor's transfer curve in an old electrical engineering text that
I can no longer locate.  (It couldn't have spread from there!)  Of course
there's that fellow on alt.guitar who said "We've got solid proof; my high
school physics teacher once told me something like that.", but does anybody
have any real references for this or any ideas how it grew to became such
an incredibly popular legend?

  -- Don

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: lsooi@ecs.comm.mot.com (lsooi)
Subject: Help for Home Studio musician
 
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:00:30 GMT

>SITUATION
>Ok, here's the deal... I need to record some songs(Acoustic) for someone I
>know.. I have a SONY dual cassette recorder with a jack for a mic. What I
>have done is record the guitar part(since its an acoustic-electric, I simply
>plug it into my sony. Once I have the guitar part on tape I put that tape
>on the play side and put a blank on the record side. I have this cheap
>5-10$ microphone from radio shack which I plug into the the jack. I wear a set
>of headphones to listen to my guitar part and I sing on my cues and record
>using the tape-to-tape dubbing switch which all dual-decks have... What I get
>is a quality recording of my guitar and my voice on the blank.
>
>THE PROBLEM:
>The guitar part is crisp and clear. But I have to almost yell in
>the microphone to raise my voice over the guitar. This doesn't sound too good
>because I'm not no heavy metal singer or anything and with the acoustic I want
>to sing more lightly and to be heard. You think buying a better microphone
>($50-$75) would inrease the amplitude of the vocals?? Any other suggestions??
>Need help....
>
>-Ashim

Looks like you've got some preamplification problems here. The mic level is
too low in comparison with the guitar signal. If you know a little bit about
electronics there are probably a few op amp circuits you can try out which
will amplify your mic signal before it goes into the SONY. However that might
be a lot of work and may need some circuit debugging if wired wrongly.

So, the best solution I would suggest is to try and borrow a guitar pedal
from a friend - not just any pedal but either a distortion unit or better a
equalizer unit. This will act as your preamplifier. Just plug your EL-CHEAPO
mic into the pedal and output of the pedal to your SONY. But remember to turn
down the GAIN or DRIVE knob on the distortion unit before you use it, 
otherwise your voice signal will be distorted.You can turn the LEVEL knob
up to adjust your signal level till you get it just right.

Personally, I prefer the equalizer pedal which not only amplifies but gives
you the flexibility to balance the frequencies. Happy trying , keep
doing that recording, and let your music flow....
 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Subject: Re: Tubes vs. Transistors
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:55:58 GMT

In article <1ec19mINNkp0@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.165306.19166@spectra.com>
>                           ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini) writes:
>
>>So why use tubes?
>>Simple.  Tubes amplify odd harmonics far superior to transistors.
>
>This isn't right.  How would any amplification device "know" which harmonics
>are which?  I believe it would be more accurate to say that tube amps, when
>driven into non-linearity (ie, distortion), produce primarily odd harmonics.
>Under the same conditions, transistors produce primarily even harmonics.  It
>can be shown that distortion that consists of odd harmonics is more pleasing
>to most people, and is part of the sound that many guitarists prefer.

I thought that's what I said, just shorter.

Kawika 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Danny Gatton:  Anything forthcoming?
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:47:26 CST

In article <10054@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
jmgst26+@pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin) writes:
 
>I'm looking forward to a new Danny Gatton release.  Is he working on anything?
>Does he have anything besides 88 Elmira St. ?
 
He in fact does have a new album out of jazz stuff.  He shrugs the Tele for
his Gibson L-5.  I just can't seem to recall the name of the album.  Isn't
it something like "A Tribute to Blue Note"?  Or maybe it is on Blue Note.
I'll see if I can't find it tonight in one of the magazines.
 
mikejames (US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU)
From: tgilman@hotcity.COM (Tim Gilman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: B.C. Rich guitars
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:24:01 PST
Organization: BBS

Does anybody out there have any solid experiences with BC Rich guitars?  I'd
like to get some opinions about them besides "they look weird"...

 ___ .                            
  |  | |\/|      ---- "Man needs a religion like a fish needs a bicycle."
         Gilman....   tgilman@hotcity.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: ronan@ug.cs.dal.ca (brian c ronan)
Subject: RE:YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:04:14 GMT

While it is true you can't really compare guitarists you
can catagorize them...do you want Yngwie ranked with his
kind...ie-Neo-classical guitarists with heavy influences
in Paganini (pardon spelling) or do you want him ranked
over all which would include the likes of Randy Rhodes,
Stevie Ray Vaughn and Eric Clapton, not to mention B.B. King
or Steve Vai, or Hendrix...

I personally like Yngwie (although I wish he would get a singer
I could tolerate) stuff like Icarus Dream Suite and Far Beyond
The Sun are great..very melodic...and Trilogy Suite Opus ??
is another cool tune...Crying is a great instrumental as well
but many people out there see him as a scale player who just
repeats himself...others think that music theory is:

	The speed at which a player plays is directly
	and inversely proportional to his greatness!! - Joe Speed

That is shit and who cares if he plays scales and arpeggios
IF YOU CAN PLAY A PIECE OF SHIT AND MAKE IT SOUND GOOD THEN DO IT!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: Tubes vs. Transistors
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:05:58

   From: META000 <META@UNB.CA>
   Organization: The University of New Brunswick
   Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:36:55 GMT

   This question of reliability is one ofthose myths that persist
   despite evidence to the contrary.  I bought a 59 Fender Princeton in
   1976.  It worked flawlessly at that time, andsince then, I have
   changed the speaker, and little else.  Will someone explain to me
   how this "unreliable" tube amp has gone so long with so little
   maintenance?  

A combination of luck, care, and construction.  
		 
Tubes are inherently unreliable for the obvious mechanical reasons (cyclic
thermal stress, fragile glass construction, their many components are
suspended on thin wires, and so forth).  That's why they're in sockets, and
the sockets themselves aren't all that reliable.  Components associated
with tubes, like high voltage capacitors, are also less reliable than their
low voltage counterparts.

So a particular tube amp might just happen to be designed and constructed
very robustly, and a particular transistor amps might just happen to be
crap.  

Ie., it's all a side effect of making a generalization.

  -- Don
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: dag@tc.fluke.COM (David Gunderson)
Subject: Solid State Tube emulator
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:19:17 GMT

According to an article in a recent issue of EE times, there is now a valid
solid state replacement for those old 12AX7 vacuum tubes in your Fender amp.
Eric Pritchard of Berkeley Springs, W.VA (Metif Corp) has invented a 
transistor-based circuit that is an exact emulation of the performance of
the vacuum tubes in a Fender guitar amp. This took him six years of research
and lots of, what he calls, the equivalent of wine-tasting sessions where
professional musicians tested amps made with the circuit against their tube
amps. So, expect a "Fender effects" switch to appear on the really expensive
amps. in the near future.

--David Gunderson
From: kimple@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: 1948 Tiesco DelRay value?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:50:37 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Nov18.185111.10839@odin.corp.sgi.com>, archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
> In <1992Nov17.233601.18005@cpqhou.compaq.com> scotts@cpqhou.compaq.com (Scott Shaffer @ Compaq Computer Corp.) writes:
> 
> 
>  I bought one
> a few years ago for (I think) $125.  PreCBS Champs are the best 8 watt 
> amps you'll ever find.
> 
> -- archer
> 


Well, Silverface all tube Champs varied VERY LITTLE from thier blackface
brothers...even tho they are a CBS item. So why buy a blackface, when an
electically indentical silverface can be had for $60? And their "rated"output
was listed  at 8 or 10 watts, but they really do about 5-6. Does it make
a difference? NO. Not enought that you'd hear it.

jd
From: 128a-3fq@e260-4c.berkeley.edu (Bob C. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Finger noise on strings
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:59:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-4c.berkeley.edu

In article <TMR.92Nov21125331@fat-controller.bham.ac.uk> tmr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Tim Read) writes:
>I have a small problem I was hoping someone may have a solution to.
>
>The problem is that when I am playing certain quiet bits of music on
>my acoustic guitar, that involve a lot of left hand finger movement up
>and down strings, there is an associated squeaking noise made by my
>fingers rubbing against the metal strings. I can limit it a bit by
>licking my fingers before playing the piece, but it is a pain. How do
>others get around this problem? It is not always possible to remove
>my fingers from the string, because the music is to fast.
>
>Thanks,
>
> Tim
>--


	Actually, I think the "squeak" is one of the interesting effect
	that make guitars sound unique from other instruments.  Learn to
	make it as a special effect in a song you play.

	I have a collection of classical guitar albums.  Even the maestros
	"squeak," so don't worry about how it would ruin you music.  It
	might actually make it sound more "natural."

	
	G'day,

	...B.o.b...
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Subject: Re: String Problem
Keywords: guitar,strings
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:51:56 GMT

mtc001@dunix.drake.edu (Spike) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.145448.14009@hubcap.clemson.edu> wolf@hubcap.clemson.edu (Randy Martin) writes:
>>I recently bought an Eddie Van Halen Musicman guitar and I changed the
>>strings on it for the first time the other day.  This guitar has a
>>blocked Floyd Rose tremolo system.  I've never owned a guitar with a 
>>Floyd on it, so I'm not sure if my problem has anything to do with it or
>>not.  The problem is that my low E string is to low to the frets and
>>when the open string is picked, it makes an terrible ping.  It didn't do
>>this until I changed the strings, and it only does it on this one
>>string.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to solve this
>>problem?  Do I need to adjust the tremolo somehow or am I doing
>>something wrong?  
>
>Hmm, looks like you made a mistake many Floyd users make.  Did you remove all
>the strings at once and replace them?   Usually, if you take them all out
>at once the tremolo is thrown out of wack.  If no one has any suggestions here
>as to how to change the adjustment, I would suggest you call a repair shop and
>see what they say.
>The same thing happened on my Peavey Vandenberg guitar...wow, did it sound
>bizarre.
>BTW, it's an AWESOME guitar...(if you like wide necks and low action)
>
Not to disagree with Spike, since he is probably right, but an even
simpler possibility is "Did you change string gauge?" If the old strings
were heavy gauge and you put on extra lights or something the action may
have dropped enough to cause buzzing. 
Just a suggestion.

  -dif-
-- 
Dave Faulkner, Research Engineer                    (dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: pat@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan)
Subject: Re: YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:11:35 GMT

Kevin Polcovich (KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
>Just wanted to get everyone's input on Yngwie. How do you rank him with other
>guitarists-he's at the very top of my list. For those who say "you can't
>compare guitarists" don't respond. Thanks, Kevin

	Technically brilliant, lacking in feeling, needs
to lose the attitude problem.  Saw him ~5 years ago opening
for Triumph.

pat

--
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     nasa / goddard space flight center / oceans and ice branch / hughes stx
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: feedback...make it go away
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:27:05 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3



	try turning down!


					CE
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo)
Subject: Re: String Problem
Keywords: guitar,strings
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:45:51 GMT

In <1992Nov16.225156.1725@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au> dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner) writes:

>mtc001@dunix.drake.edu (Spike) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov10.145448.14009@hubcap.clemson.edu> wolf@hubcap.clemson.edu (Randy Martin) writes:
>>>I recently bought an Eddie Van Halen Musicman guitar and I changed the
>>>strings on it for the first time the other day.  This guitar has a
>>>blocked Floyd Rose tremolo system.  I've never owned a guitar with a 
>>>Floyd on it, so I'm not sure if my problem has anything to do with it or
>>>not.  The problem is that my low E string is to low to the frets and
>>>when the open string is picked, it makes an terrible ping.  It didn't do
>>>this until I changed the strings, and it only does it on this one
>>>string.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to solve this
>>>problem?  Do I need to adjust the tremolo somehow or am I doing
>>>something wrong?  
>>
>>Hmm, looks like you made a mistake many Floyd users make.  Did you remove all
>>the strings at once and replace them?   Usually, if you take them all out
>>at once the tremolo is thrown out of wack.  If no one has any suggestions here
>>as to how to change the adjustment, I would suggest you call a repair shop and
>>see what they say.
>>The same thing happened on my Peavey Vandenberg guitar...wow, did it sound
>>bizarre.
>>BTW, it's an AWESOME guitar...(if you like wide necks and low action)
>>
>Not to disagree with Spike, since he is probably right, but an even
>simpler possibility is "Did you change string gauge?" If the old strings
>were heavy gauge and you put on extra lights or something the action may
>have dropped enough to cause buzzing. 
>Just a suggestion.

And a way to fix the problem, assuming the bridge isn't level...
  Open up the back of the guitar and turn those screws that connect the springs
to the wood. More specifically:
  If you used a lighter gauge string, then the bridge should be 
leaning back away from the strings. in this case you have to loosen the screws
I mentioned until the bridge is level. Make sure it's level when the guitar is 
in tune. The bridge should be flush with the body.
  If you are using a heavier gauge or if maybe the strings haven't stretched
out then the bridge is probably leaning toward the strings in which case
I don't think you'd be having this problem but it should be fixed anyway.
First stretch those strings if you haven't yet. Then if the bridge isn't level
correct it.
  And lastly, if the strings are still too light and the bridge is now level
but you hear that buzz, I'd just get heavier gauge strings before raising
the bridge.
Dan.