From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Lock picking (not smithing)
Summary: any dweeb, paranoia
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:38:31 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

(real-life question for readers of this group at the very end of all this talk)

It really annoys me to think that any moron can learn to pick locks
and then turn into a thief and enter into my house, or anyone elses, and
steal things, without breaking the door down. Are there not locks that you
locksmiths cannot pick without having the 'key'? And would they cost a small
fortune to buy?  If not, then it pains me to think that nobody has come up
with a cheap, non-pickable (under ~48 hours hard work) lock.

I realise that one can 'claim' a lock cannot be picked, but that a clever
locksmith (like some here probably are) may find a way to open it, but you'd
think it can be proved otherwise.

Maybe I should leave math and start thinking up a lock you people cannot open,
based on different techniques than 'keyhole locks'. (where you can stick in
your lockpicks in the iinternal workings). It should'nt be hard, if one aims
for a lock that when you loose the 'key', you're shafted.

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What got me worried about this whole locksmith issue is that we have a house
in Greece and it uses simple key locks, sold everywhere, nothing fancy. Next
door lives a lady which used to be a locksmith. She offered to us, that if
we ever got locked out, just to ask her and she would open it for us.

Its like, to that neighbor, our house HAS NO LOCKS. and to anyone else
proficient in picking locks.

That's fine and dandy, but it got me thinking. One could probably learn the
theory and principles of 'picking locks' (One wouldn't have to spend much
time reading irrelevant issues on what REAL locksmiths have to know, because
I do realise that locksmithing is not simply 'picking locks') and practice
and in a month of practicing, make it seem as if the locks on our homes
are open. Its like having no lock.

Don't try to tell me there is a locksmith 'guild' and one must "swear" to
obey certain rules, etc. This is the information age and I bet it is not
hard to get the information you need.

Its as if the lock on our front door is only there to prevent 'passers-by'
from entering on a whim. The locks do not really keep anyone who wants to
(and has a few minutes on their hands) from getting in.

The 'lock-picking' aspect of locksmithing sucks. Example: those traitor
padlock companies that give out combination lists based on serial numbers,
etc. That's despicable. (selling a lock to one person, the combination
to anyone who asks for it...).

The 'abloy' locks seem to give locksmiths problems, but they are so awfully
expensive. (especially to make an extra key, or whatever) and at those
prices, I DON'T WANT to read messages on this newsgroup that say things like
"oh, the abloy locks, you need to apply torque here, etc., to open them".

I'm not looking for Flames, actually, what would be nice is some reassurance
because I'm one hell of a paranoid person (I came to that conclusion after
re-reading this post)
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Now, to make this message the least bit constructive, can someone suggest
a lock, in the price range of about $40 u.s. that will give a locksmith
a very hard time to open, uses a key, and takes me less than ~5 sec. to open
when I use it with my key?

(a brand, type or whatever answer to this you can give, I would apreciate)
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