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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Fitba' Review of the Year
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:21:58 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:


>1992 was the year of the Scottish Super League with 10 teams threatening to
>breakaway from the existing set up.  What's the point though when we still
>have to witness crap teams like Hearts in a Super League.  At least Love St.
>will remain out of bounds :-)  The ludicrous existing set up is now
>taking its toll with most clubs having severe injury problems and the
>majority of games are crap.

There was an interesting long article spread over 2 days in the Glasgow
Herald last week timed to co-incide with a TV program looking at the current
Sottish football standards and commenting that essentially a Super League
wouldn't solve anything. Because of the increased impotance of winning before
all else, athletes and hard men have replaced ball players and inventive
play. There's no new Dalgleish, Jimmy Johnstone et al on the horizon, just a
bunch of athletic thugs with an ability to kick a ball.
If anything, the article concluded, the Super League would do nothing for
football other than excacerbate the current situation in the drive for that
all important goal, success, and all the inventive ball players would end up
kicked off the park in the process. SO club injuries would get worse.
The article was also fairly scathing in its critisism of the current Premier
League set up.

Dave

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: SCOTLAND SUPPORTERS
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 16:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.092951.2329@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> In article <9212082137.AA03692@speedwell.dcs.gla.ac.uk>, centonzs@dcs.gla.ac.uk (centonzs) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>   Well, sitting behind me were about four or five people who did nothing but
>> pour scorn upon Scotland, their OWN team for heavens sake. Now this was 
>> music to my ears, but I cannot understand anybody who pays good money to 
>> see a team and then proceeds to insult them for 90 minutes. Any team I
>> support cannot do any wrong as far as I'm concerned, you know how it is,
> 
> they were probably rangers fans

	And what's your reasoning for  this ? Maybe Rangers fans are 
brought up on success and decent football, and going to watch Scotland 
over the past few years has been a pretty miserable experience.  Since 
Roxburgh took it's been countless boring performances, excuses and "useful
training" exercises.  No wonder people get abusive towards the Scotland team.
Sweden 92 was an exception but by all accounts everything is back to "normal".


> west coasters are known for this
> despite internationals constantly being played in slum city, they don't go to
> the games. When they do, they slag off every player in sight

	Before Roxburgh brought his own brand of apathy to the job,  Scotland
were a well supported team. Hampden would sell out regularly and the crowd
would right behind the team.  Now ??  It's a couldnt care less attitude.
The best game I can remember being at was against Spain in a WC qualifier 
in 1984.  We beat them 3-1 but since Roxburgh took over we've rarely had
that level of performance and commitment.
Roxburgh may be a good coach but he has instilled a sort of lifelessness
into the players.  I mean, he still selects Brian McClair and defends his
selection !! No wonder people dont go.  Wonder what the crowds would be
if the games were held regularly, not on a one-off basis, in Dundee or
Aberdeen.
 
>>  -- Finally, my seat was in the upper tier of the Govan stand, as anybody 
>> who knows Ibrox , there are a set of stairs which lead down to the coffee
>> bars, which are excellent, but the whole set up is strangely 
>> reminiscent of Birmingham New Street station, has anybody else noticed
>> this ?

	B'ham New St is more reminiscant of Parkhead I think !!


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From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: (none)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:43:49 -0600
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In article <1992Dec11.181743.10730@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
< 
<   Why is it that at ever soccer match I have ever been to, there 
< are always hundreds of HOPELESS JOKES who start leaving the game
< with about 10-15 minutes to go? Have they all got urgent lobotomy
< appointments at 5.30pm? F**KWITS!! It's not just limited to crap
< games (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) or supporters of a team 2 or 3 goals
< down (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) either. I mean, 15 minutes in the 
< away end at Hillsborough is 2.33 quid! I can't believe it's just
< to get out before the "rush" at the end & guarantee getting an
< early bus. Wow! They might get home 25 minutes earlier. What are
< they going to do? Is "blind date" that good?!
< 
<   Does this happen in other parts of the world or what?

The same is true here.

The baseball fans in Los Angeles have quite a reputation for arriving
late and leaving early.  They arrive midway through the third inning
(about one quarter way into the game) and leave during the seventh
(one quarter way from the end)...
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SCOTLAND SUPPORTERS and Irate People
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:32:38 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Dec9.162139.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.092951.2329@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>> In article <9212082137.AA03692@speedwell.dcs.gla.ac.uk>, centonzs@dcs.gla.ac.uk (centonzs) writes:
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
>>>   Well, sitting behind me were about four or five people who did nothing but
>>> pour scorn upon Scotland, their OWN team for heavens sake. Now this was 
>>> music to my ears, but I cannot understand anybody who pays good money to 
>>> see a team and then proceeds to insult them for 90 minutes. Any team I
>>> support cannot do any wrong as far as I'm concerned, you know how it is,
>> 
>> they were probably rangers fans
> 
> 	And what's your reasoning for  this ? Maybe Rangers fans are 
> brought up on success and decent football, and going to watch Scotland 
> over the past few years has been a pretty miserable experience.

Your being selective here !!! What about pre-Souness ??? Success and decent
football ? Not for a long while.


>  
>>>  -- Finally, my seat was in the upper tier of the Govan stand, as anybody 
>>> who knows Ibrox , there are a set of stairs which lead down to the coffee
>>> bars, which are excellent, but the whole set up is strangely 
>>> reminiscent of Birmingham New Street station, has anybody else noticed
>>> this ?
> 
> 	B'ham New St is more reminiscant of Parkhead I think !!
   
   What does reminiscant mean ????? Is it good or bad ??

  I think the original poster has a point, but why miss a chance to slag of the
  
  opposition, eh ????

  Does mentioning Parkhead ( a district in the east end of Glasgow) make your
  
  posting any more valid ???


-: In The End :-

Anton.
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:53:01 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <Bz3CM9.IG0@dcs.ed.ac.uk> gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair) writes:
>
>I dont think Rangers and Celtic like each other very much either.
>They have to be the most obvious rivals in europe.

No way.

Barcelona-Real Madrid is the most recognizable rivalry in Europe.

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From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:25:47 GMT

dci57@cas.org wrote:
: Andy,
: 
:     Please post what were the 4 most popular high school sports ahead
: of soccer in 1991.  Thanks.
: 				     Dorothy
: 
: 
: My opinion is strictly mine, not my employer's

Errr, this is just a guess since I don't know off hand but I would guess,

baseball
basketball
football
and volleyball

Andy
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scotsport, McNee, Cops at matches
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:54:28 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec16.133159.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.122307.2525@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>> 
>> Those unbiased chaps off Scotsport.....
>> 
>> If anyone was watching Scotsport on sunday, did they hear gerry mcnee say this
>> at some point in the programme?:
>> 
>> "The match (Aberdeen v Rangers) could have been postponed until january as
>> travelling will be difficult for the away supporters"
>> 
>> jesus! Does this guy ever talk sense?
>> 
>> How dare the SFA and Aberdeen 'inconvenience' the rangers fans, who have to
>> travel the 140 odd miles to pittodrie!
> 
> 
> 	As luck would have it the game has been postponed due to bad
> weather up north and will now be played probably in early February.  Maybe 
> someone was listening to McNee after all.....

makes a change doesn't it?

> 
> 
> Sandy Mackinnon
> Univ of Strathclyde
> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
> 
> ...forgot to add my sig........
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From: leitm@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: More FA premier league predictions (was Re: top ten CLUB )
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:18:12 GMT
Reply-To: leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1AE9E49F2000A758@knox.bitnet> PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
>
>      Yep, I agree, Manchester United IS crap and they are lucky with that
>offense to be where they are now.  But their luck will soon run out because
>Liverpool will be back and will leave them in the dust.
>      Hope Chelsea gives United a good beating, enabling Liverpool to draw
>closer to them.
>      GO LIVERPOOL
>                                                             Panos

To annoy the Man United haters (I don't support them, but I don't hate
their guts either), a prediction for end of season league positions.

1  Man United          } - I reckon with Cantona they're on the up now
2  Aston Villa         } - Close second, maybe by a point 
3  Norwich             } - *will* fade, I'm sure of it
4  Blackburn           } - already faded  "   "   "  "
5  Arsenal             } - much too erratic
6  Chelsea
7  Liverpool           } improving, but not enough
8  Ipswich  
9  Man City  
10 QPR
11 Spurs
12 Leeds               } too awful away to climb much higher
13 Coventry 
14 Sheff Wed
15 Everton 
16 Middlesbro'
17 Southampton
18 Wimbledon                  } You'll never be 
19 Crystal Palace             } free of them! Never!
20 Nottm Forest 
21 Sheff Utd
22 Oldham

Now watch *all* these predictions proved hopelessly wrong.
 
Mig.
From: markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark Rivers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Backpass-FIFA deserves the Nobel Prize!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:01:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> 
> Any fans out there who actually DISLIKE the new backpass rule?! I've watched
> a lot of matches since July when the change was implemented and haven't yet
> found a single reason to dislike it.

On the whole no, but I watched a match the other day where a cross was coming
into the box and a defender chested it into the arms of the goalie to keep it
from a number of dangerously placed strikers.  The ref penalised them for a
back-pass and awarded the attacking team a free kick, inside the box, to one
side, about level with the penalty spot.  The defending team couldn't get 10
yards back so had to stay on the goal line, where they put nearly every player.
The whole thing was a mess (and the ball didn't go in).

I'm not completely au-fait with every nuance of the rules, so I'm not sure if
this incident was the result of a bad rule or a bad decision by the ref.  But
whichever way, it was a bit of a fiasco.

Mark

PS.  The match was Marine v Morecambe, HFS Loans Challenge Cup, 12/12/92
From: denis@ekofisk.Stanford.EDU (Denis Schiozer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Mundial titles
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:40:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>               MUNDIAL INTER-CLUBES 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	1960 - Real Madrid (Spain)
>	1961 - Penarol (Uruguay)
>	1962 - Santos (Brazil)
>	1963 - Santos (Brazil)
>	1964 - Internazionale (Italy)
>	1965 - Internazionale (Italy)
>	1966 - Penarol (Uruguay)
>	1967 - Racing Club (Argentina)
>	1968 - Estudiantes (Argentina)
>	1969 - AC Milan (Italy)
>	1970 - Feyenoord (Netherlands)
>	1971 - Nacional (Uruguay)
>	1972 - Ajax (Netherlands)
>	1973 - Independiente (Argentina)
>	1974 - Atletico Madrid (Spain)
>	1975 - not held
>	1976 - Bayern Munich (Germany)
>	1977 - Boca Juniors (Argentina)
>	1978 - not held
>	1979 - Olimpia (Paraguay)
>	1980 - Nacional (Uruguay)
>	1981 - Flamengo (Brazil)
>	1982 - Penarol (Uruguay)
>	1983 - Gremio (Brazil)
>	1984 - Independiente (Argentina)
>	1985 - Juventus (Italy)
>	1986 - River Plate (Argentina)
>	1987 - FC Porto (Portugal)
>	1988 - Nacional (Uruguay)
>	1989 - AC Milan (Italy)
>	1990 - AC Milan (Italy)
>	1991 - Red Star (Yugoslavia)
>	1992 - Sao Paulo (Brazil)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
3x-champions: AC Milan (Italy)
              Nacional (Uruguay)
              Penarol (Uruguay)

2x-champions: Santos (Brazil)
              Independiente (Argentina)
              Internazionale (Italy)
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Por paises:
6x-champions: URUGUAY
              ARGENTINA
              ITALY

5x-champion : BRAZIL
               
2x-champions: SPAIN
              NETHERLANDS 

1x-champions: PARAGUAY
              YUGOSLAVIA
              PORTUGAL
              GERMANY
          
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TITLES TO : SOUTH AMERICA -> 18
            EUROPE -> 13

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From: Anne Charlotte Haakestad <Annech@dhhalden.no>
Subject: Crystal Palace-Liverpool
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A755F3B9700121C8@pc200.dhhalden.no>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:06:15 GMT

Anybody got the matchfacts on Crystal Palace-Liverpool, please?
From: mshaw@uiuc.edu (Mark Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Concacaf results requested
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:56:27 GMT
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Does anyone know the results of last weekends Concacaf games.  The
schedule I have is:
Sun, Dec 13	Costa Rica-St Vincent
Sun, Dec 13	Honduras-Mexico

Scores alone would be enough for me, but if there are any comments I
would welcome those, too.  I don't want to clutter the net to much so
please send email (mshaw@uiuc.edu)

Thanks in advance

P. S.  Does anyone know why its called Concacaf?  Is this some sort of
abbreviation?

Mark
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Current capacity at Anfield
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:06:15 -0600
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Could someone tell me what the capacity of Anfield is ?.

I was under the impression that it was around 38,000 until I read that 
43,688 had watched yesterday's game against Blackburn Rovers.

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From: ian@dmu.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:59:42 GMT
Organization: dmu.ac.uk

In article <Bz3qEJ.8q4@cen.ex.ac.uk> cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel) writes:

>Whoops !
>I was wrong about Forest / County rivalry.
>I do remember forest fans ranting about Derby when we played them in the
>cup. I also know that Derby hate forest and Leicester hate Derby !

Leicester's traditional hatred is definately directed at Forest, Derby 
(aka sheepshaggers) are just treated with contempt.

To fill in the Midlands picture a little further, Coventry traditionally
hate Leicester, while it seems that Northampton (!!) hate Coventry - at
least that's what seemed to be implied by the 'NTFC HATE COVENTRY' graffiti
which appeared at Filbert Street a couple of seasons ago.  Bizarre behaviour !
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From: schraag@lri.jur.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Re: Turkey-Holland
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:24:01 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin) writes:


+ Joost wrote:
+ 
+ >> Holland: de Goey;
+ >>	 Silooy, Koeman, Rijkaard;
+ >>         Wouters, Jonk (66' de Boer), Winter (78' Numan),
+ >>	 Witschge;
+ >>	 Gullit, van Vossen, Viscaal.
+ 
+ No Van Basten and no Bergkamp?
+ What's going on here?
+ 
+ Jacques.

Van Basten and Bergkamp are injured.
Regular replacements like Kieft, Bosman, van Loen are also injured
or out of form. At the last minute Meijer of MVV, the man in form, was
flown in as a substitute.
Also Advocaat decided he will use de Goey as first keeper, because of
the bad luck Menzo had against Poland. On the left wing Roy is out of
the picture, and also injured. Possible replacement Davids played with
the under-21s. 

Viscaal was not impressive, because he lacked playingtime and felt out
of touch with the other players. Van Vossen was a good choice, because
what was needed under the conditions was somebody who did not mind to
keep on running and working for the chances. Van Basten and Bergkamp are
better technical goodweather-players. Van Vossen looked like are
threequarter after 90 minutes.

joost.

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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Youth Soccer Brazil vs Oz
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:26:10 GMT


	Results of the SBS Youth Challenge Cup

	Match 1 in Fremantle	Australia 1 - Brazil 0
	Match 2 in Canberra	Australia 1 - Brazil 2
	Match 3 in Newcastle	Australia 0 - Brazil 0
	Match 4 in Sydney	Australia 1 - Brazil 1 xt

	Since the series was still drawn at this stage a penalty
	shootout was required. It was noteworthy that this was
	a game which had a sudden death extra time format, 
	initiated by FIFA as a trial to the implementation of
	this rule in the World Youth Championships.
	The Shootout was won by Brazil 5-4 with the second penalty
	taker for Australia hitting the post and the ball ran
	across the goalmouth, pity since the keeper had gone the other
	way. All the other shots went clean into the net for both sides.

				Thomas the Tank Engine

				

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Superleague
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:15:12 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Dec15.171810.19339@st-andrews.ac.uk>, dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.084438.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.174615.7190@st-andrews.ac.uk>, dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill) writes:


>>> England:  LeedsU          <========== Dont think so !!!
> Why do all these Scots keep claiming that the English league is the best in 
> the world? It probably was 10 years ago (6 European Champions in 
> succesion) but it certainly isn't now. On this years form its not
> in the top 5 of Europe. Thats why it would loose its place in the 
> Premier Division of the EuroLeague if it started next season.


	In my current state of hangover I'm not sure if this is meant to be
some sort of wind up !!  I cetainly don't think it's the best in the world
and perhaps you've been in a bit slow in picking up what I was really
meaning.......


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