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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Tendonitus question
Keywords: tendonitis
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:42:14 GMT

In article <fred.715274014@dip3>, fred@dip3.ee.uct.ac.za (Fred Hoare) writes:
|> Hi
|> 
|> I ran in a half-marathon about seven weeks ago and as a consequence
|> developed tendonitis in the popliteus (spelling?) tendon which is
|> the tendon that goes around the outside of the kneeand inserts just 
|> below the knee. The inflamation is around this insertion point. My doctor 
|> has told me that this is a type of injury that will just re-occur and
|> has advised me to give up running all together.

NO: it is time to give up that doctor altogether!

|> 
|> The questions I have are the following:
|> 
|> 1. Is it really necessary to give up running?

What that doctor is saying is "I am not willing to work with you to find the
problem so you will just have to avoid the activity that causes the problem to
show up."  If your knee was hurting when you walked would he say just to give up
walking rather than looking for the root cause?  I hope not.

|> 2. What is the best treatment for this kind of injury?
|>       (My doctor said it would heal by itself but I 
|>        can still feel it seven weeks later)

I believe rest will heal the symptoms, but it will not address the cause.  I am
not a doctor so I will not try to diagnose you over the net, but runners often
end up having to be their own doctor because of attitudes like this on the part
of lazy physicians.  You must both educate yourself enough to be your own
doctor, and look for a better physician; preferably one who is a runner.  I
would talk to friends who are runners for recommendations.  A podiatrist who is
a runner might be your best chance.

|> 3. Does anyone know what would cause this injury:
|> 	incorrect shoes?
|> 	bad running style?
|> 	something else?
|> 
|> I would appreciate any advice or comments from people who
|> have had this injury or are able to offer any advice.
|> If there is a demand I will post a summary of the responses
|> that I get.
|> 

You should find the book "The runner's repair manual" to start being your own
doctor.  Knee problems in runners very often result from imbalanced muscle
development, so your answer may lie in the weight room.  Alternatively, it might
be a foot problem and your answer may lie in different shoes or orthotics.  

Your problem almost certainly has a cause and a solution.  Stopping running is
not a solution.  It avoids the problem.

Good luck,
	Tom
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Sore heel
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:08:17 GMT

Hi netfolks

Well, I've been doing well getting back into my running (which has
gone from a "woggle"--wiggle jog jiggle-- to 9.5 minute miles in 8
months, as well as a 40-pound weight loss. Now that it's the start of
September, I'm planning on increasing my training to prepare for the
Honolulu Marathon in December (6th). I've been running 6 miles at a
time usually, with some longer 10-milers thrown in.

A month ago, I went to see a doctor because I had a bit of swelling on
my left foot--he diagnosed it as multiple micro trauma (mostly from my
high impact aerobics), so he told me to cut down the aerobics and gave
me some anti-inflammatory medication. My left foot is much better now,
but now my right foot is bothering me. My right heel is acting up a
bit, and I'm contemplating going to see the doctor again. The pain has
been off and on for several weeks, but it doesn't seem to go away. The
pain is more at the back of the heel, towards the outside. It's sore a
bit when I first start my run, but it goes away after 8 minutes or so.
My heel also gets sore when I walk around all day. However, the
soreness is not a splitting pain or enough to make me limp, so I've
been putting off seeing a doctor. It's never noticeable unless I've
got pressure on it. Any ideas or suggestions? The last thing I want to
do is quit running--it's the only form of exercise I really enjoy and
I'm worried I'll get fat again if I stop or change to another form of
exercise (which I then wouldn't stick to).

Thanks very much in advance. :)

Aloha--
   

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: shishir@chpcchpc.org (Shishir Gundavaram)
Subject: Mini "chutes" and Sprinting
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:45:04 GMT

To all the Sprinting gurus,

I was wondering what the price of the mini "chutes" (used to artificially
increase resistance -- used to improve sprinting, and also running in general)
is? and where I could buy 'em?

Thanks,

--Shishir

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From: rp@llex.ll.mit.edu ( Richard Pavelle)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Pains under shoulderblade
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:01:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Originator: rp@llex


I began running about 3 months ago and am near 50. The major
difficulty I experience is a sharp pain under my left shoulderblade
about half way to my waist. It starts after about 1/2 mile and
does not go away unless I stop running for 30 seconds or so. It sometimes 
recurs but often not. Would someone tell me what the likely cause is?
Thanks.
From: dihi@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl (Dick Hissink)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Running nerd wants computer log software
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:44:05 GMT
Organization: BSO\AT Rotterdam Netherlands

Hi there, 

I've been planning to make this software allready for a couple of years,
but never came to it!! If anyone has information about software to
keep track of running statistics (distance, time, environment, pace etc.)
running under MS-Windows I'll be very intersted as well!

thanks,

Dick Hissink 
Email:dihi@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: wood@rtsg.mot.com (Dan Wood)
Subject: Knee warmers?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:05:39 GMT

   I'm a novice runner, so excuse me if this is
a dumb question...

   My knees seem to stay stiff for about the first
mile of a run, longer in cooler weather.  Am I
imagining things, or is it possible that they
take a while to "lube"?  I noticed it most when I
ran in a cross-country event with water crossings:
the knees would tighten up briefly after each
dip.  It seems to be temperature related.

   If it's as simple as cold, are there knee warmers
that don't look like they came from "A Chorus Line"?
Do they stay up during a run?  Do they need to expose
the kneecap to avoid pressure?

   I appreciate any advice/information.

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From: fred@dip3.ee.uct.ac.za (Fred Hoare)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Tendonitus question
Keywords: tendonitis
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

Hi

I ran in a half-marathon about seven weeks ago and as a consequence
developed tendonitis in the popliteus (spelling?) tendon which is
the tendon that goes around the outside of the kneeand inserts just 
below the knee. The inflamation is around this insertion point. My doctor 
has told me that this is a type of injury that will just re-occur and
has advised me to give up running all together.

The questions I have are the following:

1. Is it really necessary to give up running?
2. What is the best treatment for this kind of injury?
      (My doctor said it would heal by itself but I 
       can still feel it seven weeks later)
3. Does anyone know what would cause this injury:
	incorrect shoes?
	bad running style?
	something else?

I would appreciate any advice or comments from people who
have had this injury or are able to offer any advice.
If there is a demand I will post a summary of the responses
that I get.

Thanks in advance
Fred
--
Frederick Hoare                email: fred@dip1.ee.uct.ac.za
Image Processing Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering
University of Cape Town,  South Africa
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Pains under shoulderblade
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:28:26 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


> rp@llex.ll.mit.edu ( Richard Pavelle) writes:
>
>I began running about 3 months ago and am near 50. The major
>difficulty I experience is a sharp pain under my left shoulderblade
>about half way to my waist. It starts after about 1/2 mile and
>does not go away unless I stop running for 30 seconds or so. It sometimes 
>recurs but often not. Would someone tell me what the likely cause is?

STITCHES. They don't always occur in the abdomen. See the rec.running FAQ 
for the causes and cures.
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From: fkao@buengf.bu.edu (Frank Kao)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Speed Improvement Training
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:08:26 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: fkao@buengf.bu.edu

Hi netlanders, I have a few questions to all of you on the subject on
training techniques to improve speed and endurance.  My main objective   
is to improve my speed on the bike, I like distance riding, however, in
the last few years even though my speed have improved, but I think it
can be better.

Question #1:  I heard of interval training on both running and biking,
  anybody have any guide lines on doing this?  Can I safely say run intervals
  earily in the morning, and ride intervals in the night?  Do I do each
  on consecutive days?

Question #2:  How much distance riding should I do, I have already over 1500
  miles riding for the season, is this a good base for the interval training
  should I limit the distance riding I do and concentrate on the intercal
  training for the next few weeks, get the speed up and then do the distance
  riding?

Question #3:  How long does it take before I can see some results from teh
  the different training?

Your inputs are appreciated!
fkao


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Tendonitus question
Keywords: tendonitis
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:59:30 GMT

reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:

>In article <fred.715274014@dip3> fred@dip3.ee.uct.ac.za (Fred Hoare) writes:
>>Hi
>>

>> My doctor has told me that this is a type of injury that will
>>just re-occur and
>>has advised me to give up running all together.
>>
 
>Doctors ALWAYS tell you s to stop running when you get an over use injury.
>All that does is make you fat and sluggish.

>My advice, if you aren't in too much pain, is to stretch before and after
>your runs, warm up slowly and cut your mileage until you're healed.  When
>you're done, ice the joint for 10 or 15 minutes.

Ditto. I developed achilles tendonitis, and found out that _not_running_does_
not_help_, because the tendon sheath requires movement to supply lubrication.
The book I was reading said 'cut out hill and speed work, back off on mileage,
and treat with stretching before and after, and ice for a half hour after the
run to control inflammation, and aspirin (as an anti-inflammatory). This cure
should take about two weeks.'

For me, that turned out gospel. My tendonitis does bother me from time to time,
and I follow the above recipe, and it works.

just one more mile,
jim p.
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Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
This life is a test. It is only a test. If it had been a real life, you 
would have been given instructions....
From: dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Irregular heartbeat, running and caffeine
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:21:17 GMT
Reply-To: dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug25.231448.14729@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> 
   rit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:

> I regularly get irregularities in the beat, but only when it
>is beating slow. These irregularities are like an extra beat or a
>beat that is way out of time. Happens once or twice in 5 minuites
>a couple of times an hour but only sometimes (usually notice it
>in the evenings). I avoid caffeine which I have noticed makes 
>this effect worse. The more I run, the slower my heart beat gets
>and the more I notice this effect. Anyone have any comments?
>
>Dave.

   I have a similar problem, though it is entirely due to caffeine.  I had been
drinking a cup of coffee per day for months, when suddenly (within a span of
about two weeks), I noticed a "fluttering" sensation, and it seemed as though 
my heart was skipping a beat.  However, I noticed it when I was resting AND
when I was running.  I saw a cardiologist, had some tests done, and the 
diagnosis was "premature ventricular contraction".  The doctor told me to avoid
caffeine.  When I do, my heartbeat is completely regular.  But even one cup of
coffee or some chocolate, and the irregularities start.  
   Have you been totally caffeine-free and still notice the irregularities?  If
not, try it.  I would say to get it checked by a cardiologist...it couldn't 
hurt.

Happy trails,
Dave

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From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: AACK!!!
Keywords: stupid, stupid, stupid
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:01:12 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


> Ken Lehner writes:
> My killfile did it's job on a response to my plea for info on glycerol
> and sweating.  Could the poster please repost, or better yet, email
> that posting to me.  Thanks a bunch!

I was unable to reply directly to Ken Lehner, so this is a repost.

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> Terry Linhardt posted a quote
> from a research article entitled "Glycerol Lowers Heart Rates and Helps Cool
> Runners' Bodies in Recent New Mexico Tests".
> ...
> So, does anyone know the story on taking this stuff internally?  It sounds
> like just the ticket for my "problem", but I really don't want to die while
> running/biking.
> ...
> My next step is to track down the actual studies done.

Quoted from the very same article referenced above, "It can give some
runners a bloody-awful headache," and "...44 percent of cyclists taking
in glycerol during exercise became nauseated, bloated, or light headed.
and "...might also cause cerebral dehydration."

So, I wouldn't be too hasty to chug this crap to enhance my running
performance, would you?

To track down the info. from the actual studies,

"Physiological Responses to Glycerol Ingestion During Exercise", Jrnl
of Appl Physiology, vol 71, pp 144-149, 1991

"Glycerol Hyperhydration and Endurance Exercise", Med & Sci in Sports
and Exercise, vol 24, supplement, p S157, 1992

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  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Need Tidbits of Advice
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:46:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug27.154632.19690
Organization: Western Washington University

Keep an alarm clock in the bathroom.  When it goes off you have
to get up.  Once you are in there you might as well take your shower
and start your day.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Subject: Re: Galloway's Marathon Schedule
Reply-To: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:45:13 GMT

In article <43VO020T20ep01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tad10@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Dickinson) writes:
|> Has anyone followed Jeff Galloway's marathon training
|> schedule and successfully run a marathon?

I followed Galloway's advice for my first marathon.  All the suggested plans
from the 'experts' do not vary that much.  You basically need to increase your
mileage by an average of 10% per week and no more.  Some say go for an increase
every other week, others say go for a smaller increase every week.  Some experts
say you need to get to 20 miles and some say 30.  I got to 24 before my first
marathon and the last 2.some miles were still VERY TOUGH.

Just use common sense and listen to your body in increasing your mileage and
you will do OK and enjoy your first marathon.

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson)
Subject: Re: Need Tidbits of Advice
Reply-To: nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.152433.5244@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>  
os2user@dougp.austin.ibm.com writes:
> I have just started running again after a two month layoff. I've got  
some
> questions, not about starting training, but about little pieces that  
might
> add to it.
> 
> 1. Are there any tricks to keep myself stretching?  I personally don't  
like
>    it.  I normally start off fairly well, but tend to lose interest  
because it
>    doesn't seem to be doing anything.
> 
> 2.  Does anyone out there have any tricks to getting up early?  I've  
been
>     trying for years, but have almost resigned myself to just running at  
night.
> 
> I've been running for eight or nine years, so I know most of the normal  
tricks.
> If you've got any ideas or suggestions that are off the beaten path, I'd
> really appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Doug Poirier
Here are some opinions on stretching and getting up early:
1 - Stretching .. I think one very viable option is just not to stretch.   
I am very good friends with a number of world class marathoners and some  
of them stretch while others think it's a waste of time.  There doesn't  
appear to be any correlation between performance (or injury prevention)  
and stretching amongst the folks I know.  (This is probably not true in  
the short distance runners) It appears to be a very personal thing. If you  
find that it doesn't help I am not sure that I would try to fight it.   
Just go out, run, and have fun.

2 - Getting up in the morning .. First of all you need to get a really  
loud and obnoxious alarm clock and put it as far away from your bed as  
possible.  Once you are up but still in a comatose state, one suggestion  
is to drink a little bit of a sports drink (Exceed, etc.).  There may be  
something scientific behind why this works, like raising blood sugar  
levels, but either way it seems to help me get going in the morning.

Nord Samuelson
From: reidyj@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: HELP!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:05:24 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


  If you haven't run in five years{ consider yourself lucky that you've
  only lost 1.5 minutes!  Cycling and volleyball are lost of fun and good
  exercise, but they're not running!  Would you run laps to get is shape
  for swimming?  Of course not.

  Bodies are exercise specific,and they adapt to what it is you're doing.  If
  you want to run, then hit the bricks.  HOw soon must you get to nine minutes
  for the mile and a half?  That's a pretty good clip it seems to me.  If you
  can get a good base, like 200-300 miles under your belt, start doing some
  speed work once a week.

  For the distance you're looking at, I would suggest multiple 200s, 440s
  and finish off with a couple of 880s and a fast (80 percent effort) mile.

  If you don't have a base, be REALLY careful!  Start with a good warm up
  and do sets of 100s.  Start with 10 and build to 20 or more.

  Good luck.  By the way, what sort of a class is it that rerquires you to 
  be that quick?  The Navy only requires 12 minutes for that distance, and
  the Marine Corps gives even old coots like me 27 minutes for three miles!

  Regards,
  Jay Reidy
  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
  .

  /
From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:59:50 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <92237.085839RBPQCC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> RBPQCC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com writes:

>nnget
>In article <5667@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM>, rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick
>Schubert) says:
>>

>>The other reason that extrapolation/interpolation may break down is that
>>a linear approximation assumes that you are equally-good at all distances.
>>...
>Not equally-good, but equally-trained.  People who are "good" at longer
>distances will have a lower slope than those good at shorter distances.

I think we are in agreement here.  By "equally-good" I meant "same natural
ability for both distances, comparably-trained, races run under comparable-
conditions on comparable courses, etc."  The point I was making was that
extrapolation breaks down when you extrapolate to a distance that you are
not trained for based on times at distances you are trained for.

>I once saw the slope referred to as a Fatigue Factor. It tells you how
>much your pace slows down at longer distances.

And it slows down more as you get to distances you are not trained for.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)