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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:24:34 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <l9118uINN9g0@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:

>Oh, for god's sake.

("Hissing sharply, she slapped her farthingale."  Thurber, I
 think.)

>In article <1992Aug18.041053.26226@wam.umd.edu> 
>lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod) writes:

>>Haven't you ever had a good friend who wasn't at the start?
>>Have you ever felt like you have nowhere else to go?

>Um, I'm not sure what the first question means.  The second?
>Sure.

The first question means: hasn't anyone ever forgiven you
for being the way you are?

>>I thought soc.motss was in one of its facets a gathering
>>place of ideas and people who share something in common.

>Did someone say it wasn't?

>Am I expected to fall in love with everyone?  Am I expected
>to like everyone?  Why?

Did someone say you were?

>There are lots of people I'm not at all interested in being
>friendly to, sharing love with, trying to understand.

Did someone say there weren't?

>>Think of the reasons you omit people from your personal,
>>private circle.

>It's usually because they're assholes.  Or morons.  Or both.

Or maybe they just have a bad attitude?

You rather like the idea of being bitchy, Arne, as though it
were something.  Despite the resemblance, you're not Joan
Crawford.

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From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Melissa P. Chase)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:22:45 GMT
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	<92232.131641IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <ytgys9j@rpi.edu>
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA


   IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

   >well, i've considered registering republican, although i've
   >never done it.  you see, i don't really care who the
   >democrats run.  whoever runs, i'll vote for, as it sure as
   >HELL beats the alternative.  but there is ALWAYS a
   >republican that i do NOT want.  so voting in the republican
   >primaries, imho, would be a Good Thing.

One of the more enlightened things about the Massachusetts electoral
process is that you can register as an independent and when primaries
come around you can choose to vote either as a Democrat or as a
Republican.  At that point you become registered in the party whose
primary you voted in, although they give you a change of registration
card so you can can quickly be reregistered as an independent (so the
pain of being a registered Republican doesn't last very long).  The
last time I took advantage of registering as Republican was in the
last gubernatorial primary in order to vote for Weld (whihc was a Good
Thing).

	Penny

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From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:04:06 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Dateline: Columbus, OH

The National Geological Service has reported the presence of a long
string of seismic disturbances in the Central Ohio area.  Not certain
as to the exact etiology of these events (since there is not supposed
to be a measurable tectonic fault in the area) but they have been
increasing at a slow, but gradual rate.  There doesn't seem to be any
immediate danger to the populace at large (yet) but reports will be
coming in shortly.  The epicenter has been located in the vicinity of
63 W. Beaumont Rd. and teams have been dispatched to investigate.

Peace (Arnold, I couldn't help myself on this one!)


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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Republican Convention, Houston, 1992
Keywords: Where's the nearest passport office?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:53:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ

In article <l95kmkINNe64@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:
>The 1992 GOP convention is an incredible and bizarre outpouring of hate and
>fear.

What really freaks me out is the very Orwellian quality of Bush's campaign,
like being "pro family values" while at the same time vetoing the family        
leave act. And in today's _New York Times_, there's an op-ed piece by 
Christine Todd Whitman (the failed Republic candidate who ran against Bill 
Bradley for one of New Jersey's senate seats), explaining why pro-choice 
Republican women should feel entirely comfortable voting for Bush. I mean,      
how do they keep a straight face while they say these things?

No sarcasm here -- I can't possibly do justice to my material.

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From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:00:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I simply played the Berliner Philharmoniker's recording of 
Albinoni's "Adagio" and cried my eyes out.

Peace



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From: news@walter.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: Something Bush said....
Reply-To: dfs@bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 04:31:48 GMT

buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
> Gosh, I wish Margaret Tutwiler was a dyke! [abstruse]
>

Every time I hear her voice on the radio, I'm more and more
convinced that she's being played by Lily Tomlin, so I'm
sure your wish has been granted.  And as long as I never see
her on TV, I'm not going to be disappointed.

Debby
dfs@bellcore.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Disproving homophobia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:18:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug18.175103.16357@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <rc9mv3l.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>>What's the equivalent proof that someone isn't homophobic?
>
>What's the "proof" that someone is?

Claiming or implying that someone who tries to "pass" has more social
utility than someone who doesn't, for example. 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
From: settle@tartarus.uchicago.edu (Amber Settle)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:11:11 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In <1992Aug20.010940.4997@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:

>harris@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>) This is always the way, isn't it?  Every lesbigay I know is at one
>) extreme or the other on sarcasm.  I, like many of my friends, view
>) sarcasm as a high art form.  Yet, some (less I believe than the other
>) group) never get sarcasm, period.
>)
>) Has anyone else out there noticed this?  

>I've noticed that many Americans in general are often
>completely sarcasm-impaired.  It frustrates the hell out of me.
>Sarcasm is widely understood in Ireland, and I hate having to
>back up and explain that I'm being sarcastic.


Ah!  One of my pet peeves.  Sarcasm is one of my favorite modes of
communication, and being completely misunderstood is aggravating.
At least I've managed to find a few friends who appreciate the beauty
of sarcasm as much as I do.


>My brother David claims that the popularity of ending a
>sarcastic comment with "NOT!!!" is because if that unsubtle
>clue isn't there, most Americans just won't get the sarcasm.


Good point!



>________________
>George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>


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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:23:51 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>The sweat scenes always make me laugh.  Are they having sex
>in a sauna?  Do any of *you* work up a lather like that?

Eventhough Amsterdam was sunny, the city wasn't humid.

Clear salty drops fell off my forehead, splashing on his huge back, and
I had only just started...he made me work.

								FJ!!
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Guy at Sun who got fired for nasty postings
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:23:49 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Aug12.224211.13110@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
|In article <1992Aug12.050848.8082@boy.com> pat@boy.com (It's just Pat!) writes:
|>From this perspective, I see nothing wrong with firing employees for
|>improperly using USENET. Especially because they are representing the
|>company, whether they "disclaim" it or not.
|
|Mind explaining why they represent the company?
|
|>Consider this: would a company be justified in firing an employee who
|>sent letters on compnany letterhead that contradicted company policy? 
|
|Note that most of us disagree with your letterhead analogy.

Whether or not you are speaking for the company you are in fact being
a visible part of that company, an association that exists regardles
of what you disclaim.

Would most *companies* disagree with the letterhead analogy?  I doubt
it.

	/JBL
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From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: net queen??
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.022135.13801@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>there *are* useful day-to-day motss-positions: consulting equestrian,
>consulting safe-sex-advocate, consulting linguist, consulting
>ecologist, consulting queer-activist, consulting leather-person,
>consulting gardener, and so on.

We celebrate the diverse positions engaged in by consulting adults.

--John
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:46:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



(Allen Williams)
/Dammit, I spent *twelve hours* with some people last night--*straight*
/people--helping them heal their lives because they *had* to know that
/someone gave a damn about them--I'd already spent over twelve hours helping
/one of them deal with his hurt--and according to him, I was the only thing
/between him and suicide.  That friend told me he *respected* me, and that's
/not something I usually hear from people.  To have people like *you*
/goose-stepping around with your elitist bullshit, showing a pathetic dearth
/of compassion for anyone who isn't like you, has to be the biggest insult I
/have *ever* experienced.  


Oh, please.

Do you think you are the only person that's ever done a kind thing for 
someone else?  Do you think that just because you've stepped in to help 
someone out, that gives you sainthood and makes everything you say holy and
unquestionable?  

I already told this group that I have had to step in several times to
keep gay friends of mine from getting bashed.  I'll tell you another
thing:
I was a naval officer.   I marched into my commanding officer's office on 
Dec. 1, 1986, and ended my career with a five-minute confession.  I told
him I was gay.  I was in love with a guy at the time, and I had to choose.  
I am a hopeless romantic; so I chose the guy.  Several months later I 
was ejected (that's "forcibly discharged" for those of you that don't
understand military doublespeak).

I know what discrimination is.  I lost a promising naval career and was 
looking a court martial right in the eye.  Seven years of hard work down
the drain.  All because the military couldn't handle the fact that I was in 
love with a man, a man I loved so much that I would have moved heaven
and earth for.
In spite of that, I still try to maintain objectivity.  I have every right 
to be pissed at straight society; but I don't think that being pissed will 
get me very far.  I tried not to go overboard with radical gay politics 
when I was thrown out of the navy, because that would not help me out, 
either.  Radicals just don't get an audience with the average person.  What 
good does it do to be all righteous and indignant, EVEN IF YOU ARE CORRECT, 
if you can't get an audience with someone? 

SO:
Don't get all high & mighty with me about what *you've* gone through,
Al.  The same for the rest of you.  I have paid my dues to the gay cause; 
and I doubt there's very many of you that have paid as high as I have.  I 
have every right to be mad as hell at straight society, the govt, and the 
military in particular.  But in spite of personal losses, I put the group 
goals ahead of my personal desire for vengeance. 




Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Re: net queen??
Keywords:  brutal passion
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.022135.13801@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>clay bond had a long term as Motss Curmudgeon.

Not long enough, though I lusted after his title in my heart.

>melinda shore is currently reigning as Motss Harpy.

Most attractive Harpy I've ever met.  Hideous in her own way, I suppose,
but all in all not _that_ monstrous.

>the position of Motss Great Dyke
>has gone unfilled for years because of an almost even balance between
>the chorus for amelia smith and the one for wendy thrash.

Amelia!  Amelia!  I'm happy to settle for Motss Vice Dyke.  (Boy, write
one little pome for Arnold and he promotes me!)

>these positions are entirely ceremonial.  they have no power whatsoever.

Damn!  Then again, I'm powerless . . . he'pless! he'pless!  OK, I can dig it.

>complaining to your Motss Harpy will not get your septic
>tank working again,

Don't be too sure about that, arnold.  Melinda swings a mean snake.

>can you deal with that, ignorant boy?

Careful, arnold, you're getting even _me_ hot with that kind of talk.

>arnold [getting angry again, inside these crude square brackets]

-Wendy T. {getting horny again, inside these curvaceous ones}
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus)
Subject: Re: Those Who Are Gone Now
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:01:27 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>ozdaltx!root@uunet.uu.net <Robert Scott>
>
>Rest in peace, all, we remember you.

Why not just Scotty?  I don't think many of us knew his real name
until after he died.  He was always Scotty, even in email.

Pieter Hazewindus				pieter@cs.caltech.edu
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Responses to people dying
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:09:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41735
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Aug20.151517.24796@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>At any rate, a good condidate date for ceremonially
>remembering Rob would be either March 9 (birthday) or August
>13 (deathday).

I would suggest that as a way to remember everyone, we choose
National Coming Out Day.

>A kind of middle course might be to designate a certain day
>(Rob's birthday seems an obvious choice) on which the cohort
>would devote special energy to remembering not only Rob, but
>every LGB person whose loss has affected them deeply.

Yes, this would be very useful and healing.

--mark
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Robert Tilton off the air!
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:19:05 GMT

In article <92229.001941SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.203216.19843@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones) writes the good news:
>
>>Just in case you have not heard, another one of the fundies has gone off
>>the air!.  That's right, Robert Tilton's SUCCESS-N-LIFE,
>>has bottomed out.
>
>Praise the Lord!

There is a God (handing in atheist card) :-)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Rob Bernardo Archive (was Re: Introduction)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:13:23 GMT


In article <PC.92Aug19152556@bacon.linus.mitre.org>
pc@linus.mitre.org (Melissa P. Chase) writes:

>One thing that might be nice to do (going beyond naming
>motssers who've passed away from AIDS in the FAQ) would be
>to compile an anthology of these tributes, anthologies,
>memorable posts, etc. and archive them somewhere.

I think I have all the tributes since Rob died.  I'm fairly
certain Chuck Fisher is also collecting them to present to
the family at some point.

In addition, I have all of Rob's postings since 17 Aug 86.
These are in mailbox format, interleaved with postings by
other people.  Undigestifying them from the ~300 MB archive
of postings would be a nontrivial task.

For the purposes of discussion, however, let us assume that's
a solvable problem.  I would estimate the total volume of
these materials to be in the vicinity of 5 MB uncompressed.
If there were sufficient interest, I think I could make them
available for anonymous ftp.

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 20 Aug 1992 15:22:00 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Aug20.003901.24628@quantime.co.uk> 
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

[...]

> ... before I begin.]

Heavens!  I couldn't possibly top you (and believe me, I've *tried*).

> "To my surprise I find out I have a great imagination." -- Ivana Trump

From today's (Aug 20) New York Times:

"But it's so condemning to judge me before another person can walk
in my shoes."  -- Marla Maples

Arne
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:52:19 GMT

IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>sorry, if you eat "chicken and fish and stuff" you are NOT a
>vegetarian!  vegetarians do not eat meat.  period.

Hey, when I said occasionally, I meant *occasionally*.  Better than 98% of the
time, I eat no meat whatsoever.  So does a one- or two-percent exception rate
mean I no longer qualify?   Heavens, I have trouble being doctrinaire about
*anything*.

(BTW, I have run into a fair number of self-named vegetarians who still eat
fish regularly.)

>                                        -ailsa

    -- joel,
            not too worried that he no longer gets to call himself a
            vegetarian
From: buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Pomo Afro Homos, was: la.motss
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:12:48 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>In article <xjfy01@rpi.edu>,
>buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>> Well Bryan and I had a BLAST atg the Pomo Afro Homos performace, so there!

>Aren't they great!
>I would've picked up on more of their stuff
>if I'd been American and black,
>but (thanks in part to soc.motss) I think I got
>more than the average white male London resident did.
Oh, this is cool! When Bryan and i saw them they said they had just come from
playing London....

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From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR:9 CO:2)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:59:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug17.170741.23267@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A.
Thomas) writes:

>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment  of  religion,  or
>prohibiting  the  free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
>or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to  assemble,  and  to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The actual amendment has no comma after the word assemble.  This seems to imply
that there is no right to assemble outside of assembling to petition the
government.  

One would hope that the right to assembly in other cases would be one of those
powers reserved to the people in Article X of the Constitution.   
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