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In comp.sys.apollo, SANDEEPM@tifrvax.BITNET (Sandeep Mangla) writes:
|     The 9000/400t has a Audio connector marked SPKR .
| ... can " not be used with workstations running Domain/OS " !
| ... being able to play voice and sound files would be great fun .

Even if you can find a way to drive the port, you won't be able to do
what you want.  The hardware is a TI sound chip which can produce 3
square waves of independent frequency and amplitude and 1 pseudo-random
signal of independent amplitude.  This is controlled by an Intel 8042
through a small (4-byte?) port.  Only the 425e in the 400 line has
newer hardware with a DAC for sound output, if I remember correctly.

						Regards, Steve taylor

NOT A STATEMENT, OFFICIAL OR OTHERWISE, OF THE HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY.
From: roman@cs.ubc.ca (Marc Romanycia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Seeking whereabouts of Lars Plum (lbplum@ecst.csuchico.edu)
Followup-To: poster
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:20:07 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca

Hello,
  I am trying to locate a fellow by the name of Lars Plum
(lbplum@ecst.csuchico.edu) who responded to an ad I posted to this
newsgroup a month ago.  I sent Lars Plum components from a DN3500 which I
had put up for sale expecting him to send payment as soon as he received
the goods.  The goods were received by him but since then he no longer
responds to my e-mail queries and my phone calls to his residence yield
inconsistent stories from his roommates, some to the effect that he no
longer lives there, others to the effect that he is out for the evening.
I do know Lars is knowledgeable about Apollo computers and has posted in
this newsgroup before.  If anyone could assist me in tracking this
fellow down, it would be greatly appreciated.
  Thanks,
Marc Romanycia (roman@cs.ubc.ca)
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 14:43:45 CET
From: <K320140@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject:    dm-edit via nfs

Sorry if this is a faq, but I have a (for me) unsolvable problem:
We are using Apollos (OS 10.3) and Suns (OS 4.1.2) and want to
mount some Sun Volumes from the Apollos and edit the Sun-Files using
Apollos's Display-Manager-Editor. Mounting works fine, ....

If a Sun-File is clicked with the right mouse button, the file opens
in read-only mode. But it is not possible to toggle between read-only
and insert mode.
If the edit-button is used, the file opens in insert-mode, but it is
not possible to rewrite it to the disk.

   -- insufficient rights to perform operation (from ios manager)

But the following operations are allowed:
   touch test-file
   cat >>test-file
       abra
       ^d
   more test-file
   rm test-file


Files which are opened by means of the edit-button change their
ownership to root, while the .bak file gets the original file's
owner.

Any hints are very appreciated. (Hellllp |||)

Thanks,

Thomas D. Mueller-W.
University of Linz
tmw@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
tmw@aearn.bitnet
From: kmorgan@soda.berkeley.edu (Keir Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Strange login behavior
Date: 3 Oct 1992 23:37:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: Problem
Keywords: Ack! /bin/csh says command not found!

In article <1992Sep23.005519.25505@ucc.su.OZ.AU> wonga@steam.chem.su.oz.au
(Adrian Wong) writes: 

>
> Problems with /dev/pty's is reminiscent of a pre-10.3 fix for pty's,
> could this current problem be related?
>

Yes, I believe the problem is related to the pty's. Or at least the goes away
for an indefinite amount of time after you rebuild them.

   I have noticed the problem on our DN3500/4500's runing Domain/OS 10.4.0.2.
We are not running NFS and vfork() seems to be working as well as it normally
does. Also, even after the node is rebooted the problem still exists. I've 
also noticed that the problem can be tied to a particular tty, (i.e. the
problem only exists on specific tty or a set of ttys). To get something
functional (assuming you are not running DM) when you notice this problem
just do a 'exec ksh'. From the ksh shut the machine down and then rebuild the
nescessary devices. Our problem was so bad for a while that we added the
following lines to /etc/rc.

if [ -f /bin/rm -a -f /etc/crpty ]; then
        (echo Rebuilding ttys >/dev/console)
        (cd /dev; rm -f ttyp* ptyp*)
        (/etc/crpty 8 >/dev/console)
fi

   I hope this works as a temporary fix.

Cheers!

Keir Morgan
kmorgan@soda.berkeley.edu || kmorgan@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: re: timezone()
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan CITI
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:47:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.160436.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:

  Yes, I was wrong.  It seems that HP has left the initialization file
  /usr/include/apollo_$std.h intact, but the new compilers don't
  include it!  Go figure...

They could have easily avoided breaking timezone() by, for example, putting
it in crt0.o, or even time.h.  They put a comment in time.h, why not just
put the #define there?

I missed the announcement that HP was dropping support for bsd.  Did anyone
else catch it?
From: mik@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM (#Michele Isernia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:23:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Help with NCS (NCA) please ...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo

First: "Network Computing Architecture"  ISBN 0-13-611674-4
       "NCS Ref. Manual"                 ISBN 0-13-617085-4
       "NCS Tutorial"                    ISBN 0-13-617242-3

Second: To develop any program using NCS you need the NCS
	develpers kit (the OS includes the run-time part only)

Third: Into the "Tutorial" book you will find lots of examples;
       Together with the developers kit it's provided a whole
       directory of examples (/domain_examples/ncs/...)

Another suggestion: It may be much more interesting for you to
		    focus your attention to tne DCE/rpc; these
		    are the "today" NCS, mainly based on the
		    NCS 2.0 version that it's part of Domain/OS
		    10.4.

Mik
From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: DM/Xdomain swap problem - resolved
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:28:57 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


  Howdy! I posted this problem earlier and I finally have a solution. (Thanks
to the good people at the HP response center.)

  Here is the original post:

 > I have another problem with the Apollo and I'd appreciate any help I can
 > get on this: I'm running Xdomain on an Apollo at SR 10.3.5.1. (I use
 > x11start to run the Xdomain process.) What I want is a script that will
 > switch back from the Xdomain side to the DM before running an application.
 > Unfortunately, when I try a 'kill -16' on the Xdomain process (or a
 > sigp xdomain -c 9010010), the DM does not work correctly. (I.e. I can't
 > enter text normally in a shell, etc.)

  As some of you may already know, this is a known problem that occurs because
modifier keys are used as part of the sequence to swap between Xdomain and
the DM. A workaround to this problem is to redefine the key sequence that
performs the swap so that it _does_not_ include modifier keys.

  On the DM side, just define a single key, sans modifiers, to send the proper
signal to the Xdomain server. For example:

  kd f9 cpo /com/sigp xdomain -c 9010011 ke

will define the 'f9' key to perform the switch. (I actually defined the f9s
key to perform this function, since f9 is being used for something else.)

  On the Xdomain side, you need to modify the "/usr/X11/lib/X0pointerkeys"
file. This is a link to "`node_data/etc/X0pointerkeys". At the end of the
file, the following entries appear:

  #borrow_mode_key f9
  #borrow_mode_mod1_key shift_l
  #borrow_mode_mod2_key control_l

This is modified as follows:

  borrow_mode_key f9
  borrow_mode_mod1_key f9
  borrow_mode_mod2_key f9

(To be consistent with the f9s on the DM side, I changed it to the following:

  borrow_mode_key f9
  borrow_mode_mod1_key shift_l
  #borrow_mode_mod2_key control_l

and it seems to work okay.)

  You will, of course, need to modify your ~/user_data/key_defs?* files so
they don't retain the old '^F9' key definition. (Just redefine the '^F9'.)

  This appears to fix the problem caused by a 'sigp xdomain -c 9010010' call
on the Xdomain side. (When it swaps back to the DM side, the DM 'thought' the
control key was being held down.) The only problems I've experienced is
when I accidently used the old '^F9' key sequence, instead of 'l_shift-f9'.
In this case, I still get the Control problems on the DM side, and the menus
do not appear on the Xdomain side.

  Presumably this problem is fixed, or will be fixed, for versions of Xdomain
that are more recent than the 10.3.5.1 release.

  Thanks to everybody who responded!
-- 
 Bob Hall,                 | "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
 Workstation Peripheral    | Then give up. No use being a damn fool about it."
 Boeing Computer Services  |                                     -Groucho Marx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: kumorek@apollo.HP.COM (James Kumorek)
Subject: Re: dde 2.0 out of control ??
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:17:52 GMT
To: PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <9210051842.AA23206@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET (Darrell Skinner) writes:
|> 
|>    We've been having sporadic problems with dde on sys 10.4 (10.4 was
|> installed about a month ago).  dde launches the program to be debugged,
|> but seems to completely lose control of it.  The program just runs until
|> you kill it (and that can be difficult), and dde doesn't even know it's
|> debugging anything.  Happens both with 'dde doit' and the command within
|> dde 'debug doit'.  Once this problem starts cropping up, the only soln
|> seems to be to reboot the machine.  Any less drastic solutions?

Yup!  Call the response center, and tell them that you are experiencing a
problem with Domain OS that prevents DDE from getting control of the target
program, and that this problem was reported in APR #7D981B15, and is fixed
in the September patch tape.

I believe the response center phone number is 1 (800) 2 APOLLO

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jim Kumorek
Systems Technology Division
Massachusetts Language Lab - Hewlett Packard
kumorek@apollo.hp.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: mishkin@apollo.HP.COM (Nathaniel Mishkin)
Subject: Re: Help with NCS (NCA) please ...
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:13:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company - Distributed Computing Program
Keywords: NCS NCA

In article <1amfq6INNqnn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, xx123yyy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brian Gregory Howard) writes:
>I am writing a report (for school) about remote procedure calls using
>Sun RPC and Apollo NCS.  Obtaining information and sample code for Sun
>RPC was very easy - Sun computers are everywhere and the complete RPC
>source is avilable at many FTP sites.  However, I need as much of the
>following informaiton about NCS as is posible.  (Thanks in advance!)
>
>	o  Are there any non-Apollo books on NCS?

The following are available from Prentice-Hall:

    Network Computing Architecture, Zahn, et al., ISBN 0-13-611674-4.
    Network Computing System Reference Manual, Kong, et al., ISBN
        0-13-617086-4.
    Network Computing System Tutorial, Lyons.  ISBN 0-13-617242-3.

Note also that there are now published books on OSF's DCE which you'd probably
find interesting.  O'Reilly & Associates has:

    Guide to Writing DCE Applications, Shirley, ISBN 1-56592-004-X

I've skimmed it and it looks pretty good.  It deals pretty much exclusively
with DCE RPC, which is the follow-on to NCS.

There's also a book (I think from Prentice-Hall but it might be
Addison-Wesley) called "Introduction to DCE".

>	o  What is needed to compile an NCS program.  (I have access to several
>	   DN series computers running SR10.2, SR10.3 and C V6.7.)

The NCS runtime ships as base software on Apollo DOMAIN and HP-UX.  The
NCS NIDL compiler (required for application development) is a layered
(optional) product that's on the price list.

>	o  Where can I obtain a simple NCS program in source form?  (A remote
>	   date procedure would be nice; however, any souce code using NCS
>	   would be helpful.)

The NIDL compiler product ships with several examples.  If for some reason
you can't get the product (I don't think the price is real high), then
I can send you the examples directly.

-- 
                    -- Nat Mishkin
                       Distributed Computing Program
                       Hewlett-Packard Company
                       mishkin@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: $DISPLAY not getting set
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:01:18 GMT

thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (jt -- John Thompson) writes:

:)> On one of our systems, the DISPLAY environment variable is not
:)> automatically set upon logging on.  On all other systems, it is
:)> properly initialized to ":0" if a user logs in to the console.
:)> 
:)> I've tried to find where the magic file is that sets DISPLAY, but
:)> ...

:)On our systems, at least, it's in `node_data/startup.<DISPLAYTYPE>
:)I don't think that this is my customization, but you never can tell....

On our systems I put a statement in /etc/profile (for /bin/sh and
/bin/ksh users - which is all of us at our site) which reads:

DISPLAY=`/etc/hostname`:0.0
export DISPLAY

There are several places you can put a line like this (or something
similar) as mentioned above. 

Now that you mention it, I don't know if it is actually getting set.
Once we start up XDomain it seems to me that the DISPLAY variable
contains something like unix:0.0.  That can't be right.  Sure, make me
check out something that I thought was working... As if I don't have
enough to do already.  :)
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             | Elections are like washing windows...
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    | The dirt is always on the other side.
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |             -Reader's Digest Sept 92
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: vindvad@Lise.Unit.NO (Hans Vindvad)
Subject: Re: Xdomain startup help needed
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:21:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.181805.25540@ll.mit.edu>, killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) writes:

 > If someone uses Xdomain, how did you set things up so Xdomain runs 
 > at boot time?  Does Xdomain start in the /etc/rc script?  Mine has
 > no mention of it, just:
 > 
 > /etc/daemons/X
 > /etc/daemons/Xapollo
 > /etc/daemons/xdm
 > 
 > Where 'X' is really Xapollo with X owns root, and xdm is set up so
 > the server is Xapollo.  I could add my own stuff to the /etc/rc file,
 > but this is my last option... I'm thinking there's a better way I 
 > don't know about.
 > 
 > Any help would be great...  This seems like a possible FAQ, but I 
 > saw nothing.
 > 
 > Mike Killoran
 > killoran@ll.mit.edu

We use a exprimental X11R5 patch level 17 server on some of ouers apollos

We stsrt it from /etc/ttys from this line

:0      "/local/X11/bin/Xdomain.spawn" xterm on secure

and /local/X11/bin/Xdomain.spawn contain this 

#!/bin/sh
sleep 20
/bin/nice --5 /local/X11/bin/Xdomain -X4 -Xs1 -D1 mfb -query khym.imf.unit.no


some of this option to Xdomain has been put in for debug purpose 

This "port" to X11R5 is not "finish" (Need some work on color side)
but it is good enough and has been in  use since may this year.

This exprimental version of X11R5 is on ftp flipper.pvv.unit.no /pub2/apollo

HV
vindvad@imf.unit.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: beierl_c@apollo.hp.com (Christopher Beierl)
Subject: Re: DN10k (SR10.4, 1 or 2 CPU) problems: (more) HELP
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:21:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep28.091727.22550@ucc.su.OZ.AU> szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au (Paul Szabo) writes:
...
>After the latest crash (while running with a single CPU, with patch
>pd92_p0467 i.e. SR10.4.0.3) the node was showing:
>
>fault in domain_os, cpu 0
>E0419978: pc=E0011728 ipsw=08200045
>   mmu_csr(e)=1130A00D segment fault, flt pc=E0011724, flt addr=24300000
>Crash_Status 00120020  PC E0016E1C  SSP E04194E0  PID 21  CPU 0
>stop on cpu 0  pc=E0016944  SSP=E0419468  status code=00120020
>
>Then I used the commands 'DI N xxxxx' and 'DU' to get a dump file. After a
>while (and many !'s) it said 'Nm sad - St = 0B030004'. Is such an incomplete
>(65MB, from a 72MB system) dump file any use? Would anyone (i.e. HP: Chris?)
>want a dump file anyway?

Sorry, I don't know whether that would help or not.  I've never worked on
OS-level debugging so I don't know enough about that to give you a good 
answer.  I would recommend contacting the Response Center.

-Chris
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Christopher T. Beierl     Hewlett-Packard/Apollo - UTD - Media Technology Lab
INTERNET: beierl_c@apollo.hp.com                        PHONE: (508) 436-4054      
USMAIL: 300 Apollo Dr., Chelmsford, MA 01824           TELNET:       436-4054
From: root@chicken.ca.boeing.com (Ring Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Mouse/Keyboard Event Count Tracking
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:27:21 GMT
Organization: none


  I'm trying to write a program which will run as a background process on
an Apollo workstation and tracks ANY Mouse/Keyboard events. If no events
occur after some period of time, the process will launch another program.

  I'm trying to use the 'smd_$input_ec' event count to track these events.
Unfortunately, the 'ec2_$wait' call returns immediately with no event,
whether or not an event is generated. There doesn't seem to be any
documentation available that describes the 'smd' commands, so I'm having
to use calculated guesswork to put it together.

  Is there an initialization call I need to make?  Do the 'smd' commands
require the user to be running in borrow mode? In that case, is there
some other way to track all the mouse/keyboard events?

  Shown below is a sample code snippet with the basic calls I'm making.
The 'smd_$get_ec' call is used to set up the 'smd_$input_ec' counter,
then 'ec2_$wait' is used to poll for events. When an event is found, it
waits a second and updates the event counter.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

#module timeout

#include <stdio.h>
#include <apollo/base.h>
#include <apollo/error.h>
#include <apollo/ec2.h>
#include <apollo/smdu.h>

#define	SDM_EC				(0)

void main ( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
	smd_$ec_key_t key = smd_$input_ec;
	status_$t status;
	ec2_$ptr_t ecp[1];
	short which;
	long val[1];

	/* Get display events */
	smd_$get_ec( key, &ecp[SDM_EC], &status );

	/* Get event count trigger */
	val[SDM_EC] = ec2_$read( *ecp[SDM_EC] ) + 1;

	/* Event loop */
	while (1)
	{
		/* Poll level 1 event count */
		which = ec2_$wait( ecp, val, (short)1, &status );

/* Print the event count */
printf("%lu\n", val[SDM_EC]);

		/* Sleep for a second */
		sleep(1);

		/* Update the trigger */
		val[SDM_EC] = ec2_$read( *ecp[SDM_EC] ) + 1;
	}
}

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.


 Bob Hall,                 | "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
 Workstation Peripheral    | Then give up. No use being a damn fool about it."
 Boeing Computer Services  |                                     -Groucho Marx
From: SANDEEPM@tifrvax.BITNET (Sandeep Mangla)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Audio port on HP Apollo 9000/400t : How to use ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:18 IST +0530


    The 9000/400t has a Audio connector marked SPKR . But the Owner's Guide
say that this can " not be used with workstations running Domain/OS " !
How can I use this port to drive an external speaker ,if it can be done at all ?
       We have two of these critters, among other things and being able to play
voice and sound files would be great fun . Any help appreciated !

                                              sandeepm@tifrvax.bitnet
Sandeep Mangla
E.H.E.P. group, T.I.F.R.,
Colaba, Bombay -400 005
From: PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET (Darrell Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: dde 2.0 out of control ??
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:44:05 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique, Lab PMI
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:31:34 FRA


   We've been having sporadic problems with dde on sys 10.4 (10.4 was
installed about a month ago).  dde launches the program to be debugged,
but seems to completely lose control of it.  The program just runs until
you kill it (and that can be difficult), and dde doesn't even know it's
debugging anything.  Happens both with 'dde doit' and the command within
dde 'debug doit'.  Once this problem starts cropping up, the only soln
seems to be to reboot the machine.  Any less drastic solutions?

   [ DN10000, 10.4 with no patches ... are there any "must" patches we
really should apply for what we do (mostly Fortran development and
number-crunching) ? ]

Darrell Skinner / skinner@poly.polytechnique.fr / PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET
[ Pls copy any info to PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET if you can, since our local
network is being scrambled by router installation this week -- Thanks]
From: thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (jt -- John Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: re: Installing cc 6.9.p / ftn 10.9.p
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:13:04 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Mike --
> I am trying to install cc 6.9.p / ftn 10.9.p on our DN10000, and am
> getting a message about "ISP of target node and product not the same".
> Any clues? (I don't have the SR10.4.p AA installed on the system,
> just the compilers, but I installed the m68k cc/ftn without incident
> without the SR10.4 AA installed.)

I don't know quite _why_, but the install program thinks that you're installing
to a m68k disk.  I've seen it before, and I haven't been able to figure out what
the RAI tools use to decide the architecture.  I've always worked around the 
problem, since _I'D_ never ever make a mistake and load the wrong s/w   :-)

From the help file for 'install' (also for install++) --
>      -h   Ignore hardware compatibility checking.  By default, the install
>           tool will not install a product with an ISP type of a88k (that is,
>           one released for a DN10000 series node) to a target directory that
>           resides on a node with an ISP type of m68k (a non-DN10000 node), or
>           vice versa.  It will instead print an error message.  The -h option
>           forces the install tool to install all products in the configuration
>           to all specified targets, regardless of ISP type incompatibilities.

Just slap the -h switch on your command line and tell it you don't care whether
the ISP is wrong.

-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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