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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: KU thumps Oklahoma in Norman
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:42:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Ok, how's this for some Big-8 talk: Kansas is peaking early, as usual. ;)
Really, you failed to mention he true force in the game, Adonis Jordan.  He
took over in the second half and could do no wrong.  That kid scares me
(Considering Louisville is going to have to solve him this Saturday).  It
seems like, when he's on his game he's unstoppable.

Mike
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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Who's almost isn't no. 1 :) Re: Who's Number 2?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:32:43 GMT

In article <C0D1D5.AJA@inews.Intel.COM>
smaher@ismdqa.intel.com (Steve Maher ~) writes:

>My top 9:	1. Duke  (look strong, beat UM)
>		2. UK    (look strong, beat IU)
>		3. UM    (lost to Duke @ Duke, beat UNC, KU)
>		4. UNC   (strong wins, lost close to UM)
>		5. KU    (lost to UM, beat IU)
>		6. IU    (lost to UK, KU, beat Seton Hall)
>		7. da Hall  (lost to IU, don't look quite as strong as other 6)
>		8. Iowa  (looking impressive against weaker competition)
>		9. Purdue/Oklahoma/several others not quite there yet.

The not-quite-there-yet Oklahoma took Duke, at Duke, to overtime after
trailing by 16.  And none of that bull that Duke was in control all the
way.  You folks have this endearing tendency to practice arithmetic on
scores and rate teams accordingly.

Some predicitions (file for convenient retrieval later):

1.  Oklahoma will win Big 8; Kansas will drop at least 3 games (Iowa State?)
2.  Duke will drop at least two games.

In another message a KU fan disputes my assertion that IU is a far superior
basketball team.  He does so by listing the roster and the players'
attributes.  This is TV-droid talk, friend.  If you want to see why IU is a
better team than KU watch the tapes of the games.  IU plays much smarter
basketball and its players are thinking and moving in a much more
sophisticated fashion than KU's.  IU makes unusual plays, counterintuitive,
surprising and picks apart the opponent's defense with a variety of tools.
It is not particularly important that none of IU's players save Chaney are
extremely good athletes.  Basketball is not an individual sport.  As a
team, IU is a far superior, and may I say, far more fun basketball team to
watch, even when losing, than KU, if you are into pure basketball played by
a highly intelligent group coached with great savvy.  If you like TV
highlights with uncontested jammin', or can't see past the school colors,
that's different.  I think Kentucky cheerleaders remain the prettiest. :)
But they will drop that road game at Vandy. :)

But this post is about Oklahoma, who played as well as Duke tonight.  Bravo.

				-- Marek

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From: $garyf@SASB.BYU.EDU (Gary B. Fitzgerald)
Subject: Officiating in the WAC
Organization: Brigham Young University

After watching WAC basketball for the past five years, I have come to the 
conclusion that WAC officials are terrible.  Moose Stubing has got to be 
among the worst officials I have ever seen officiate a basketball game.  On 
one end of the floor they will call a stupid touch foul, and on the other 
end somebody will get knocked across the floor and it will go as a no call.  
There is never any consistency.
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: UM-Purdue TV?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:05:14 CST

In article <1993Jan8.151929.15239@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1993Jan07.204458.16063@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>  
>suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge) writes:
>
>> : 	I see ESPN is carrying the big Illinois-Northwestern
>
>>  Whoever did this bit of scheduling at ESPN deserves the "Bonehead
>>  Move of the Year Award".
>
>I wouldn't be suprised if their Big-10+1 TV agreement states that
>ESPN must show at least one game from each team's home arena - so
>they are getting Penn State and Northwestern out of the way in the
>first week of conference play :)
>
>--
>************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
>Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
>Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
>*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******

Or:  Maybe ESPN didn't have the rights for that game.  Maybe someone else
(Raycom, etc...)  did.
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal score?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:31:53 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1993Jan11.173153.28905@newsgate.sps.mot.com> george_paap@email.sps.mot.com (George Paap) writes:
>Does any one know the Oregon and Oregon State vs Cal scores?
>Believe it or not, the Statesman here in Austin doesn't
>carry the "far" west scores (they must go to press at
>8pm) and often doesn't carry them the next day.  Makes
>me actually miss the Daily Cal.

Cal pasted Oregon 82-65 (I think).

Apparently they came out flat against OSU, fell behind by 10 or 15,
tied it with a minute left, but lost 64-63.

I know it's early, but I think if Cal can beat Stanford this week, it 
will be the key to Cal having a very good season.  

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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: The Gentelman is no Lady :) Re: That was no lady ...
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:07:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.185646.3049@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.174229.20599@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>
>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes sincerely albeit badly:

Hey, no knocking my education.  I used to couldn't spell computer
pro-grammer and now I are one.

>
>>This is my personal opinion, so take it for what it's worth :).  In my
>>view, the term "lady" is a term of respect, not one of degradation, not
>>meant to imply weakness or subservience (is that a word?).  However, in
>>the recent PC movement, these types of terms no longer are respectful,
>>but are actually an insult to some people.  I am actually flattered when
>>called a gentleman, not insulted that you've just called me a sexist,
>>male-chauvanist pig by implication.
>
>Okay.  Let's have Gentelmen Longhorns play Gentlemen Frogs and be 
>getlemanly about it, gentlemen.  Let's have the Ladies just be Longhorns
>and Frogs, since, we all know, ladies are no gentlemen.

Fine by me, except that in the above-mentioned scenario, we know that
Longhorns probably can't be gentlemen, since they are technically 
without sex, or at least without the ability to procreate.  So, being
a steer may actually come quite close to being a gender-neutral mascot.
What would you call a cow that has been spayed?  Good thing this 
doesn't happen in pro sports or we'd have the Dallas Cow-persons.  Sounds
like a Far Side cartoon already.

>
>>As far as team names, the distinction probably is kind-of useless,
>>although in sports where both the men's and women's teams compete, like
>>basketball, it is nice to have a distinction of some type.
>
>Below you declare yourself to be against discrimination, but here you want
>to have distinctions.  What's next?  Separate bathrooms? :)

Well, in most cases, around here, anyway, there is a distinction 
between male and female.  You can usually tell just by looking.  But, at
the recent SWC/Pac10 Challenge, there was some confusion.  Some of those
girls/women/ladies/non-males are hairier than I am, and I have a full
beard.  How's that for political in-correctness?

>
>>Paul (I'm against racism, sexism, any type of discrimination and 
>
>				-- Marek
>
>Summary:  The Lady thang is for the birds, an archaic remnant of sexism.
>	  True respect for women = calling them by name, not a Lady name.
>	
>(Ps.  How about The Fighting Mrs.-Wannabe Irish?)

Ah, I just had a brainstorm - how about using Ms.?  We could have
the Texas Tech Ms. Red Raiders, the Stanford Ms. Cardinal, the Georgia
Ms. Bulldogs, or would that be the Georgia Bull-b.... no, better not
start that.

Paul (there's plenty of flame-bait for you - go ahead and bite)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:19:08 EST
From: <CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cincinnati Chili, Re: B. Knight transfers
Distribution: na
 <1ij0ksINNgbd@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>

In article <1ij0ksINNgbd@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings) says:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.221200.28628@news.acns.nwu.edu>
>marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>> The closest Skyline place is in Harrison, Ohio, off I-74 at the first or
>> second Harrison exit, close to the interstate.  (there is only one main
>> drag).  That's 2 hours from Bloomington.  If you like adventure, go for
>it.
>
>Actually the Skyline in Batesville, Indiana is closer. It is about 25
>miles closer on I-74.

   Probably the easiest Skyline to get to from Assembly Hall is in Indianapolis
on east Washington Street just off I-456. There are four Skyline emporiums in
Indianapolis, three of them on the far north side. Skyline is good stuff and
unavailable in Pennsylvania as far as I know. Fact is, not many people out this
way have heard of Cincinnati-style chilli.

craig sanders           H
>
>
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (1/10/93)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:49:42 CST

In article <krg=wd#@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.164216.11015@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>                  AP Top 25
>>                Through Jan. 10
>>
>>                      Record Points  Pvs
>>1.  Kentucky (50)       11-0  1,608    2
>>2.  Michigan (14)       12-1  1,545    3
>>3.  Duke (1)            10-1  1,496    1
>
>
>Just curious.  How come Michigan is ranked ahead of Duke?  Didn't the
>voters remember the big blow-out a month ago (Duke over Michigan by 14,
>if I remember correctly) ?
>
>
>- Louis (a Michigan fan)
>
>

So every team must be ranked ahead of every team it has beaten?

Reality:  Michigan is a better team right now
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:07:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211133.23302@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca  
(Andrew Markham P205) writes:

> Orin or R.Clough want to give us a more objective opinion?  No :) intended.

Yeah.  Bite me.

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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: UM-Purdue TV?
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:05:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.204458.16063@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge) writes:
>  mjo@beat.b24b.ingr.com (Michael J. Oatley) writes:
> 
>mjo> 	I see ESPN is carrying the big Illinois-Northwestern
>mjo> 	game. Anyone know if the Michigan-Purdue game tomorrow
>mjo> 	night mught be picked up on satellite?
> 
>rs>  Whoever did this bit of scheduling at ESPN deserves the "Bonehead
>rs>  Move of the Year Award".

Well, ESPN is trying to give the widest coverage possible to CBB

But, for those that couldn't pickup RAYCOM ... Purdue and it's one
dimensional offense (read that Glenn Robinson) were not able to
keep Michigan off the boards on either end and in the last 6 minutes
Purdue only scored 6 points! As a team Purdue could not have shot 40%!

I didn't keep track of FGA but Robinson threw up *alot* of shots,
and some not so smart like his brick three, when Purdue was only down
by "1" ... I'm glad he missed but everyone watching looked stunned
that he would take that shot, instead of trying to go inside and get fouled


Up next for Purdue is @Minnesota
Up next for Michigan is @Wisconsin

It was good to see Michigan win on the road and in West Lafayette, where
they have not had much recent success

chris
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Terps fall to Ga. Tech 85-75
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:13:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.164245.15870@vitro.com> mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)  
writes:

> The ACC season opened with Georgia Tech defeating Maryland 85-75 at Maryland.

Funny that the announcers commented that Cole was the quietest
that they'd ever heard it.  Guess they brought their earplugs too.

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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: Virginia under, FSU over.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:38:24 GMT

You:

> no, fsu was ranked high based on finishing 2nd in the ACC last year and
> losing few if any players. bank on it; theyll get better--last year they
> lost to ncaa non-invitee Virginia in tallahassee early, then went on
> to finish 2nd in the acc regualr season, over UNC, Tech, and all the
> other good but not Duke acc teams.

I was questioning Charlie Ward, and how good he is. My memory is short at
times, but not that short. I remember all to well what FSU did last year
in the ACC and NCAA.

Mike Dunnagan ----

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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Indiana : Michigan game outcome! MAJOR SURPRISE!!!!!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:37:22 GMT

CHICAGO (ESPN audio feed) -- In a spectacular development in college
basketball, one that must rank with the most colorful and memorable moments
of college basketball, ESPN listeners (and viewers, one presumes) were
treated to a magnificent show for Univeristy of Michigan's campus:

Indiana Koach Bob Knight was heard saying "It was my fault, I was trying to
get Calbert back on defense."  Repeating:  Koach Knight said:  "IT WAS *MY*
FAULT", on 12 January 1992 Anno Domini, in Michigan.

				-- Marek
From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SWC info?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:31:04 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com

In article <1993Jan11.163459.632@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
|> Will someone please post some information on how the
|> SWC is doing?

I heard that the SWC next year will split with 1/2 going to the
B10 and 1/2 going to the PAC-10. 

|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> Brian

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From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: WAC Powers
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:45:01 GMT

In <1993Jan7.113941.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
[BYU lost to Oregon and Oregon State -- the 4th and 5th game in eight days
with no practice]

>Hey, one more excuse...BYU doesn't have practice on Sundays.  BYU flew into
>Oregon on Saturday but wouldn't practice on Sunday for the games Monday and
>Tuesday.  (Of course, this is the same excuse BYU had up their sleeve had 
>they lossed to Oklahoma the Monday before.)

>With just a few more excuses I might feel okay about BYU's showing in Portland.

Here's an excuse -- there was a huge FTA differential between BYU and both the
Oregon teams.  Which is kind of odd, since both Oregons looked more aggressive
on defense.

Of course, BYU could have won anyway if they hadn't thrown the ball away so 
many times.

-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Ga. Tech
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:53:33 GMT

In article <ASH.93Jan11124626@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>In an earlier post I claimed that Georgia Tech. didn't belong in a
>list that included the likes of Indiana, Kansas, and North Carolina.
>I guess I was wrong.  Way to go, Yellowjackets!  Up next, North
>Carolina.  Can they do it again??

My wife (Georgia Tech undergrad and grad) and I (UNC undergrad, Georgia Tech 
grad) will be there, so I hope UNC wins or I won't hear the end of it!!!

The game should be fantastic.  The two teams matchup very well.  I give
UNC the edge in the frontcourt and call it a toss-up in the backcourt.  
Hopefully the Heels depth will play a big part!!!

I can't wait!

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: LSU Schedule/Update
Organization: ^$
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:26:22 GMT

                     1992-93 LSU Tiger Schedule

Dec.  1   McNeese St.                 Baton Rouge       W  +11
      3   Southeastern                Baton Rouge       W  +27
      5   Mercer                      Baton Rouge       W  +34
     15   Nichols St. (SportSouth)    Baton Rouge       W  +11
     16   Campbell                    Baton Rouge       W  +22 
     21   Stanford (ESPN)             Maui, Hawaii      W  +9
     22   Duke (ESPN)                 Maui, Hawaii      L  -29
     23   Memphis St.                 Maui, Hawaii      L  -4
     29   Northwestern St. (SptSouth) Baton Rouge       W  +14
     30   Tennessee St.               Baton Rouge       W  +22
Jan.  2   Drake                       Baton Rouge       W  +8
      6  -Alabama                     Tuscaloosa
      9  -Auburn                      Baton Rouge
     13  -Miss. St.                   Starkville
     16  -Florida                     Baton Rouge
     20   Central Connecticut St.     Baton Rouge
     23  -Ole Miss                    Oxford
     26  -Kentucky (ESPN)             Lexington
     30  -South Carolina              Baton Rouge
Feb.  2  -Arkansas (ESPN)             Baton Rouge
      7   Texas (ABC)                 San Antonio
     10  -Miss. St.                   Baton Rouge
     13  -Auburn                      Auburn
     17  -Vanderbilt (JP Sports)      Baton Rouge
     20  -Tennessee (JP Sports)       Knoxville
     23  -Alabama (ESPN)              Baton Rouge
     27  -Georgia (JP Sports)         Athens
Mar.  3  -Arkansas (JP Sports)        Fayetteville
      6  -Ole Miss                    Baton Rouge

  11-14   SEC Tourney (JP Spts, ESPN) Lexington

-SEC Games
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question (Duke Winning Streak)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:03:58 GMT

In article <1id7qbINNq0g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Michael Lerner) writes:
> 
> Here's an easy one for you... Who was the last non-conference team to beat
> Duke at home?

Sorry, I guess that nobody wants to answer your question, Mike.

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Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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From: lein@cat.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: tOSU 71 - PSU 68
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:24:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.135542.17896@cis.ohio-state.edu>, atchison@lyre.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
> Well, all is right with the world. For at least 24 hours, the Ohio State 
> Buckeyes are all alone atop the Big 10 standings, and Penn State is all alone
> in last.  There's a nine team logjam in the middle. :)
> 
> Last night the Buckeyes became the first Big 10 team to visit the "comfortable"
> surroundings of Rec Hall in State College, PA.  If you weren't brave enough to
> watch the early game on ESPN last night, let me tell you a little about this
> arena.  The most democratic thing that the WBNS radio announcer (Columbus)
> could find to say about it was that it would be about 11th in the Big 10.
> The sidelines have fans, a la high school gyms, two feet or less from the
> sidelines.  Small high school gyms.  It even has something resembling the 
> "stage end" -- bonus points if you played in one of these and get the humor.

That's ok Mark, in about two years Penn State will have the most modern arena
in the Big Ten (13,500+ seats).  In terms of total year attendance of revenue
sports (Football and BasketbAll) PSU would currently rank some where in the 
top 3 of the Big Ten (thanks to Beaver Stadium).


John L
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