HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: 9/2/77 Englishtown (to the Donna-bashers)
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:42:53 GMT


   IMHO 9/2/77 Englishtown has good Donna harmonies on Looks Like
   Rain. 

   My guess is that the Donna-bashers are for the most part folks
   who got on the bus either before they joined or after they split.
   Just like the Brent-bashers when Brent joined.....
   I enjoyed all the shows I saw where Keith and Donna played ---
   Donna left the stage for Dark Star, though.

   This is of course, subjective 
   Jeff A.
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Jeff Althoff
jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:24:26 -0400 
From: Kenneth Murphy <km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:GD name origin and tape trading

Hi,
I heard the Grateful Dead got the name from the dictionary,
but I never heard where the phase originated.
Ken 




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  -Robert Hunter
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: scanlon@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Terrance J Scanlon)
Subject: MSG is a great place!:
Originator: scanlon@griffin
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:29:55 GMT

I've seen many a show there, and elsewhere too -
seeing as beggars can't be choosers, why don't you just
avoid going there and leave your (potential) tickets to
someone who ain't gonna bitch and moan about the venue!!

...ripple...
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Subject: Re: MAJOR FLAME
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:57:29 GMT

In article <z4hm-ng.andyrose@netcom.com> andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory) writes:

>
>There are tons of attractive men (dudes) in San Francisco also.
>
>I think focusing on men and women as groups sort of
>misses the point.  Men are as good as women.  Some
>of our best presidents were men.

Yes, but ALL of our worst presidents have been/are men ;-).

I say women are smarter.......................

>
>Have a day.  Be seein ya up front Cal Expo tonite.
>

Have fun.
From: eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu (Ellen Buckley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead-Flames Digest #68
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:43:51 GMT
Reply-To: eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
Organization: The Internet

} >
} >     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
} >
} 
} I'd be willing to say that Irvine Meadows in Laguna Hills California
} is a decent answer. Although I did see Bob play there earlier this
} month. JGB will be there on August 1st. 


i may be wrong about this, but i think they've been banned from 
merriweather post pavillion in md too.  





} From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
} Subject: Re: East Coast
} Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:36:13 GMT
} 
} In article <3295@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
} 
} >
} >>  And I also wish the Grateful Dead didn't need the money and didn't 
} >>have to risk their health out there in that shithole.  And I wish 
} >
} >       Do you really think they play all those shows for the money?
} 
} Do you think they play for another reason, if they played purely for
} the asthetic's they would play small venues and in places like Texas,
} New Mexico, Wyoming, and other more obscure places, instead of the
} same venues over and over and over, there must be a reason and it
} looks to me like it's to be able to sell as many ticket to the most
} people as fast as possible in order to make as much money with as
} little effort as possible, just my $0.02.:-)



call me idealistic, but heck i thought maybe they played certain venues
and certain cities so that their FANS would all have a chance to see
them. . .  and not just those fans blessed enough not to have to live
on the yucky old east coast. . .  ;^)


-- 

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   "sometimes the songs that we hear                ellen p. buckley 
    
    are just songs of our own. . . "                eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
 
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Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:54:44 -0400 
From: Kenneth Murphy <km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Nighttime @ Veneta

Hi All,
I was at the show 10 years ago and I can tell
you one thing:
Plan to camp at the concert.
Leaving will be a major nightmare...
On the level of Foxboro (where I have never been, but have heard the horror)
There is only one two lane road from the show to Eugene.
And last time there was only one doorway onto that road.
It took us three hours (no exageration) to get out.
You're gonna love it there though...
Ken



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From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Subject: Re: 7/19/92 - Weir/Wasserman @ Darien Lake
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: tub
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:56:46 GMT

In <1992Jul20.122413.8046@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

>7/19/92 - Weir/Wasserman @ Lakeside Amphitheatre, Darien Lake, Corfu, NY
>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Walkin' Blues->
>Take Me To The River

OK, I've seen this "Take me to the river" on several Bob & Rob lists
without comment.  Question:  whose version is this closest to?
Another version of the same question:  which bass line does Rob
play -- the original one on the Al Green record or Tina Weymouth's
big fat Talking Heads bass line?

Let's all "press our thumbs" (German idiom meaning "cross our fingers")
that the Dead pull out Take me to the river too!

Andrew
From: cw@socket.intel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: more on need to trade tickets
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:44:52 GMT
Reply-To: cw@socket.intel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Organization: OS Technology Engineering, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR

I posted an article I think yesterday or the day before on the fact
that I need to trade VENETA tickets: 3 Sunday tickets for 3 Saturday
tickets OR 3 Saturday for 3 Sunday due to getting 3 for each day 
from the mail order by accident & needing 6 for one day.  I'd asked for
6 Saturday & a mistake happened with the mail order & it's too late for
them to fix it.

Another alternative is for me to buy 1 Saturday & 1 Sunday so my
Berkeley friend & I can go both days & be with 2 friends on Sat & 2
on Sunday.

So...if anyone has a Saturday and/or a Sunday ticket for sale, I'd
appreciate it.  Of course, I'd rather just do the trade mentioned above
so all 6 of us can be together on the same day.  I'm not concerned about
paying the amount on the tickets, although it would be nice - getting
the tickets is more important than haggling over a few extra dollars.

thanks, cathy watkins

cw@socket.intel.com
(503) 696-2245 (work)
(503) 292-9660 (home)
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From: "Dr. Josie McQuail" <JAM0073%TNTECH.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
Subject: radiators in Eugene
Reply-To: JAM0073%TNTECH.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:47:48 GMT

I saw that the Radiators were going to perform in Eugene 8/21 and 8/22,
but where was that again?  Could the person who posted it originally
or anyone else in the know please send the info directly to me?
Thank you.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: finn@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (James Finn)
Subject: Re: Tipper Update!
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:57:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.153212.10747@ucselx.sdsu.edu> chris@ucselx.sdsu.edu (lemaire c) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.182150.18064@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> finn@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (James Finn) writes:
>>
>>Well, Dan Quayle once said his favorite guitar player of all time
>>is Jimi Hendrix, and Lee Atwater played rock guitar. You can like
>>rock and roll and still be a fascist. Tipper Gore gives me the creeps,
>>and Al Gore backed her during her campaign against free speech.
>>
>Can you name a source that attributes Tipper Gore advocating censorship?
>
>chris lemaire.

I did not say she advocated censorship. I said she campaigned against
free speech. This she did. She led a campaign to make it more difficult
for certain artists to earn a livelihood, based on the content of
their message. This is a position against free speech.

Noam Chomsky told a story once in reference to the death threat against
Salmon Rushdie. In his early days as a political writer, he wrote a book
and had it arranged to be published by a small publishing company.
I probably have the details wrong, but the essence of the story is this.
Somebody at the parent company of the small company didn't like this book,
so to prevent it being published, he disbanded the small company. The
result was that Chomsky's book wasn't published, and all the other
titles of the company suddenly became unavailable as well. Hey, that's
not censorship, right? The publisher is under no obligation to the
Constitution to publish anything.

The point is that the goal is to suppress speech. Whether the most
effective means are outright censorship, as practiced in much of the
world, or via economic and political pressure, which are quite effective
means in a state capitalist society such as ours, is irrelevant. The
GOAL is immoral.

/James
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From: bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay)
Subject: Capital Centre m.o. tix questions: postmark dates, hidden msgs.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 01:52:34 GMT


	No, that wasn't a typo.  In my previous post I stated the postmark
date as JUL24'91, and that's what it is.  Anybody else who return-registered
get this? 1991 for chrissakes, they know me so well they knew I'd be orderin'
for this show a year ago? :-) To think it's been floatin' around out there
all this time...and they even guessed how many tix I'd order correctly, amazin'
people these GDTS cats, absolutely amazin'...no wonder I got the kind seats.
:-) :-) :-) Envelopes a keeper, fer shure.

	My other question is WRT the hidden msg/emblem/whatever on the tix.
Thurs. and Fri. clearly have some hidden patterns in the middle of the tix,
it used to be you could read these under a black light I believe, but ye ol'
black light doesn't reveal these patterns.  Anybody got any clues on this?
UV perhaps? Flourescent? I dunno.  Lemme know if anybody figures it out.
Thanx, and have a grateful day/week/life.
eric

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From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: R.M.G/Dead-Flames Presidential straw poll
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:02:51 GMT

Hi!
For those who didn't read the instructions the first time, please make
sure to stick the name of  the candidate  you wish to  vote for in the
subject line of your vote. If you fail to  do this your  vote will not
count.
				reb

ps: Here are the instructions again for  those  that may  have  missed 
    them the first time around.

======================================================================
Announcing   the   first ever rec.music.gdead/Dead-Flames Presidential
straw poll.  Any net.head who reads  these groups  is eligible to cast
his vote for   President of the United   States in this poll.   You do
*not* need to be 18 years old or a citizen of the U.S. to participate!

The poll will be open from now through 12:00noon Pacific Daylight Time
on 7/30/92.

To cast your ballot, send mail to  reb@ingres.com with the word 'vote'
and the name  of the candidate  you  wish  to vote for in  the subject
line.  You need not include any other  text in your message.  

Rules:
- Only  one vote  per  person will   be  allowed.  
- You will  not receive confirmation that your vote has been received.  
- Messages without the word 'vote' in the subject  line  will  not  be 
  counted.
- Your message *must* have the name of the candidate you wish to  vote 
  for somewhere in the subject line

Here is an example of what a ballot would look like:

		To: reb@ingres.com
		Subject: Vote <candidate>

As a reminder, the following are some of  the major candidates who are
either running now or were at one time  thinking  about running.  Pick
one of them, or one of your own!

		Party	     Candidate
		-----------  ---------
                Democrat:    Brown
		Republican:  Bush
		Democrat:    Clinton
		Libertarian: Marrou
		Independent: Perot
                Other:       <your choice>

Please note that the results will be disclosed ONLY  as a final tally,
and will not be displayed by voter.

Remember, voting will end on 7/30/92!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: peg@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paolo Galtieri)
Subject: 5/30/92 Tape Tree
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:33:31 GMT

Ladies and Gentlemen:

	Announcing the Las Vegas 5/30/92 Tape Tree.  The seed is DAT
	courtesy of Steve (The Other One).

	If you also want the 5/29 show please indicate so in the mail
	you send me.  If there are sufficient requests I will setup a
	separate tree for that show, otherwise I will send it along
	with the 5/30 shows.

	For those people who send me blanks in exchange for their tapes
	please send the Max Points.  On trades everybody keeps the Max
	Points

	The closing date for the tree is Friday 8/07/92.  To join the
	tree, return the following form to:

		peg@phx.mcd.mot.com

--------------------------- C U T  H E R E -----------------------------
Email Address:

Name:
USmail Address:

Do you want to receive DAT or analog tapes?

Do you also want the Steve Miller set (same media as Dead set)?

Do you also want 5/29 Dead?

Do you also want 5/29 Steve Miller?

If you want to receive DAT tapes from the tree:

    DAT copies will consist of: 1 90 (Steve Miller) (optional)
	1 90 (Grateful Dead) + 1 120 (Grateful Dead)
    The DAT tapes we send out will be SCMS protected (sorry).  If there
    are people who can make DAT->DAT copies from protected tapes, we'll
    try to use them as a top level so that those who need non-protected
    tapes get them.

	are you willing make DAT copies from SCMS protected masters(y/n)?
	for how many people?
	
	are you willing to make ANALOG copies (y/n)?
	how many?

If you want to receive ANALOG tapes from the tree:

    ANALOG copies will consist of: 1 90 (Steve Miller) (optional)
	1 100 and 1 90 (Grateful Dead)

	what tape brand/type do you want your copies on?
	noise reduction preference:

	are you willing to make ANALOG copies (y/n)?
	for how many people?
	please describe briefly your tape copy setup:

Blanks or trade?  (Do not send your list at this time, wait until the
tree is announced and you know who your parent is.)

The splits for the GD analog tapes are:

TAPE 1: Jack Straw, Sugaree, Wang Dang Doodle, High Time,
	Maggies Farm, Cumberland Blues (100 min)

	Cassidy, Don't Ease Me In
	Set II: Eyes of the World, Long Way To Go Home, Truckin
	Smokestack Lightning

TAPE 2: Terrapin Station, Drums, Space, Alhambra, I Need a Miracle.

	Standing On the Moon, One More Saturday Night, Knockin on
	Heaven's Door.  Filler (12/27/91) Scarlet Begonias->Fire on the
	Mountain.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Subject: Cal Expo JGB wire
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 10:07:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Fukengruven is a funny sticker.
Balloons are still 5$.

There were about 6,500 people in Cal Expo tonight.  It was hot today though,
nothing like the cool San Francisco where pale people come from.  You can
tell a San Francisco deadhead 'cause there not tan.

Saw a dog bite a man, now that's news.
The man swore and cursed and picked up a rock and stomped around.  Pretty
funny.   White blotter from Escher-it's the ticket.

Good seats at the apex were to be had.  Here you can track down your DAT
hound, and swap e-mail addresses on the well. (what is Well?)

Opening band was Burnt Toast who have a sort of Janice Joplin appeal.
There from Tahoe.

Great breadbox.  Big news is Squaw Valley is postponed.  Actually the
guy said they were looking for a nother venue.  So it may
be the missing JGB/Phish/Santana in the woods somewhere show.

Seemed like things calmed down before the second set started with
the s m o k i n g shining star.  You may not think so, check the tape.

Don't Let Go jam was short.

Tangled Up in Blue was great, too many words though tonight for good ole
Jerry Garcia.

One funny thing was Paul (you know) had a breadbox sticker on his back.


This guy with a canoe on his car was cranking Wide Spread Panic after
the show.  reminded me of the first time I heard Phish out at Foxboro.
Get some Manu Dibango for source african.

If I have a battery operated 1.2G screaming disc, can I write 44Khz
DAT stereo data onto the net?
1,200,000,000/44,000 = 1,2000,000/44 is how many seconds on disc.
3600 seconds in an hour (44*36 < 50*50 = 2500)
12000/25 = 500 hours on the big disk.

486 or p5, SCSI II DAT driver, 2 DAT decks for buffered transmit, mics,
tickets, cellular phone, internet gateway - you're hooked.

-
Heard Allmans did 2.5 hr one set show with acoustic Southtown.
No booze backstage for Greg.

--
Anyone see Phish concert with Blues Trav where Popper broke one
of the trampolines?  This was supposed to be v. funny.

peace, the american way

-- 

Andrew Rose
andyrose@netcom.com
FAX 4155537756
From: cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Assembly Required
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:25:59 EDT

There are two new lead singers for the band, and (of course) a 
new keyboardist.
They played this summer in Ann Arbor, and will be playing again on August
19th( I think) at the Blind Pig.
Hope to see you there!


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From: scott@sgisupport.lerc.nasa.gov (SGI_Junkie)
Subject: Re: Dead Sighting
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:12:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.164730.17039@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> STAFFORD@hycad5.dnet.hac.com writes:


  Silicon Graphics scans the heads of the boys to
>include them in a database with which to play. 

   Got a chance to go backstage at Buckeye to fix the 420 VGXT that they
   use for the special effects.

   An SGI Engineer literaly "plays" the machine during the show, changing
   the tempo/patterns/colors to blend in with the music. The morph was'nt
   shown at buckeye lake, but I'd really like to see it running. They
   did the dancing marrionette for a while but the graphics over text
   was one of my favorite paste-ups.

   The video-lab board can "black-out" sections of the video to get
   special effects like the "drumming hands". Really blew me away.
   any-one have a tape of this show?? I should be able to get something
   to trade.
                                       sk
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: re: Probablility & Statistics
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:46:02 GMT

|You often hear that the Dead have never repeated a set. How does anyone
|know? Has anyone ever checked? What do you think the chances are of
   
John  Scott   (Mr.  DeadBase  ;-) has   checked.  He  compared all the
setlists in his database and discovered that no, no  two shows or even
sets have been the same.  Yes, I believe that there were sets with the
same song list, but never in the same order.  The closest  I know that
they have come to doing two sets that were the same was when  they did
a set which contained more songs than another one, but which contained
the other set in its entirety.
                                           reb
From: philw@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Philip White)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Do all dead shows sell out?
Keywords: autzen
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:57:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

Lennie said:
>  Actually I remember reading after the shows that the totals for both
> day's in Autzen 90 were
>
> 35,000 on Saturday
> 25,000 on Sunday 
>
>
> Good Shows at that.

OK, thanks for the correction... one good way to learn something is
to claim you have the facts in a post to the net!
 
I was at Autzen GD in 88 and 90.  Perhaps, being from the NY City area,
a huge crowd of people doesn't look like very many to me!
(To tie-in with unrelated thread...)
 
In any case, we had 70K total at the outdoor stadium.  Two years
later we will have about 80K at a venue where it will be harder
to see the band, and getting to the show will be more difficult.
Maybe the Third Decennial thing is a factor.  Maybe the net is
reaching more deadheads than 2 years ago (no doubt!)
 
      Phil White   Tektronix, Beaverton, OR
USENET:  philip.w.white@tek.COM
 US Mail: Mail Stop 59-432, P.O. Box 500, Beaverton OR 97077-0001
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Allman Bros burn down California
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:58:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am interested in visual shows for music.  If you know of a band
which is doing such please e-mail description.  I will summarize
here and comp.graphics.visualization.

I am familiar with the Dead's SGI VGX set up and their slide show
stuff.  I've also seen some of BGP archive stuff at Warfield
lately.  I know Spin Doctors tour with projection screen and
video tape setup with a mixer (switcher)(maybe video toaster?)

I've never seen this oil-water mix stuff.  Could you describe
it?

Never forget that giant puppet during Dear Creek '90 though.  Some tour,
Brent.

gone to chicago for SIGGRAPH, but I did hear on the radio last
night that J G B is at Warfield in 2 weeks, August 7,8,9


-- 
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