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From: niceswangern@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:11:37 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Oct10.003018.17290@news.media.mit.edu>, ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes:
> Whenever you hear rap in a commercial, usually aimed at little kids and
> in some cheezy public service announcement, the rhythm is always dead
> and lacking in attitude, the rapper sucks, the rhymes are contrived.
> I suppose I should be happy about this, keeping quality rap out of
> commercials, but why do you suppose this is true?  Does being an ad
> executive automatically prevent you from producing a rap with good
> flavor?
> 
> - evan

	I'd say that ALL music in today's commercials stink.

				   Nate N.
				   Somers, IA, U.S.A.

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct04.195701.162382@zeus.calpoly.edu>, kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin) writes:
>Why everyone trippin' off ABC.  (I do agree KK is wack cause they front a
>role).  ABC does write some of their own lyrics , SpiderMan, also their just
>kids at this point and guidance could only help them later (Ala New Edition
>became the virtually self contained stars they are now, even though they
>don't write and produce most of their own stuff).  If anybody would turn
>down a shot to let Biv produce em and write their stuff, but you
>yourselves got paid and got your own album you'd be a fool.  
>
>TLC is another example I believe of a solid R&B group.  I don't know why
>people can't understand they are different from Cube, 2Pac, PE, and the
>such.  I don't hear people dissin' Guy when they dropped Groove Me or Boyz
>2 Men when they dropped Motown Philly or Bobby Brown when he drops just
>about any of his dance jams.  TLC doesn't front hardcore Rap nor do they rap
>it or make any implicit jabs that they are such.  Why is it that everything
>that's black have to be hardcore?  I think our culture is a bit more diverse
>than this.
>
>                                                 -----------------> KSG
>

My fault.  From what I read and heard, ABC didn't do any of their own lyrics. 
If they do, I still don't like 'em, but more power to them.  As for being
produced and having my material written by Biv himself, I say f**k the people
that get under him for the cash.  That's the problem with a lot of groups today
(thanks to radio).  Just in it for the cash.  Artists create crap *knowing*
they will get paid.  That doesn't say much for the public at large that goes
ga-ga over that type of material.  I'll keep doing the stuff I feel is true and
if I get paid, fine.  If I make a living, fine too, 'cause I'll feel true to
myself, and that's all that counts.

I see TLC as an R&B group with a hip hop influence.  I have no qualms with
them.  I think Left Eye has some lyrical talent (ever hear the hip hop version
of, 'Ain't Too Proud To Beg?'  Just her rhyming).  Guy was cool too, they had
some good jams to come out, as does Boyz II Men; they can definitely sing.  As
for Bobby, his new material sucks and he could never rap.  His last album was
slammin' though.  I don't see all black's have to be hardcore, though some do
think this way.  I see it as all *artists* should be true, that's how we get
original material to listen to.  I like Sade, but I'm scared her new album may
not create the nice original music her past albums have; that was here appeal. 
This is the age of sampling, and really, it sucks.  I can't see hip hop doing
much else, I like hip hop sampling, but it is killing other music forms like
R&B.

                                             T-Dub
                                             SHYGUY productions
From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:38:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Keywords: sucks

>anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit

Isn't it wonderful to see that backwards and uncivilized rednecks from
that are down with the animals on their farms can learn how to post to a
newsgroup.  Damn, isn't it great where civilization has gotten us?  Don't 
waste our fucking bandwith asshole.  Go to the bank, take out a loan, and
buy a clue.  In fact I'll loan you the money.

Peace to all those that are down and a big fat see ya to those that aren't
			   Steve kNezevich
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: SS
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:45:29 GMT

In article <9PoJsB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes:
>What 'chall think of the Sister Souljah album that was dropped a few 
>months ago?? I gave it a listen, and although some of her lyrics were 
>happenin' I couldn't stand the way she delivered her message...it sounded 
>like her just screamin' into the mic over a beat...
>
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

Funny you mentioned her, because I just picked up this magazine that had Eric B.
& Rakim (especially Eric B.) slamming her somewhat.  I'm really tired right
now, so I won't post details, but considering the rep of this magazine, I
wonder how true this was.  It doesn't sound right, Rakim slamming any body or
any thing (he also slams The Source); Just not his style normally.

Oh, but her album, I have not heard it, but do own three of her singles.  Eric
Sadler (of Bomb Squad fame) hooks her up with some fat beats, but her voice is
terribly irritating and she really doesn't rhyme much or well.  I like the cut
she did with Ice Cube, but it would have been much better if her voice was left
out.

                                                T-Dub
                                                SHYGUY productions
From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Generic Shit
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:42:27 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>In article <92281.112845U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>, Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Last Poets (or was it Gil Scott Heron)
>>go on record in the Source and say that they did NOT want to be sampled?... I
>>was just wondering...
>>
>>Peace out...

>It was Gil Scott Heron who said that in The Source; "Just Leave My S**T
>Alone..."

Well who gives a shit what he thinks, 
If I were Hank Shocklee I would perhaps consider it, though.

>                                           T-Dub
>                                           SHYGUY productions


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From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: Vanilla's Got A Boyfriend
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:11:46 GMT

In <1992Oct9.024719.13364@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>Anyone catch Entertainment Tonight?  Well, our favorite rapper, Vanilla
>Ice, is in a holding center up in Portland, Oregon for forgery and the use
>of others people's credit cards.  My, how the mighty have fallen.
                                               ^^^^^^
What's this mighty business?

Judge Raz
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:02:01 GMT
	<ISBELL.92Oct7150527@panther.ai.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct8.021833.14929@athena.mit.edu>
	<ISBELL.92Oct8150457@panther.ai.mit.edu>
	<balbondj.718604455@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu's message of 9 Oct 92 04:20:55 GMT

balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Dah Man) writes:
|>Professor X doesn't quite have it.  I think the rhymes are technically
|>okay, but they just don't come off when he does them.  Brother J, on
|>the the other hand, could come off reciting the pledge of allegience
|>backwards in german.

|Brother J is dope, but I like the way Professor X sounds.
| He adds a dimension to the Clan's songs that make them standout.

|That's Just The Way I Feel.

I agree with this, too.  I think X adds a very nice counter sound to J
so long as it isn't overdone.

What I talking about was a Professor X solo album.


--
Peace.
                "I tried to get a drink in the terminal bar.  The bartender 
                 asked to see ID.... I was living a nightmare.  I was 
                 stranded in a happy paranoid land where the only people 
                 allowed to drink are people who drive."
                            - Kyle Baker, _Why I Hate Saturn_
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: brother@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jesse McCabe)
Subject: KMD
Summary: KMD & their dope!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:24:27 GMT

   	Hey, G's!

	Listen here,  I love this group KMD (I believe), the only problem is
that in this town there are no albums from them in any of the Muzak stores.  
They made songs like:  "Peach Fuzz" and *dang* forgot the other one.  Anywayz, if anyone has copies of them would you consider selling any of these?  Thanx in
advance.       ............pEEEEEEEace!

						Bro Luv
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Hip Hop Questions....
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct14.054040.25197@athena.mit.edu>, crafts@athena.mit.edu (The Invisible Man) writes...
> 
>Finally whatever happened to.....?
>The DOC !
> 

	The DOC lost his voice in a car accident.  When he finally got it
back it wasnt the same.  He's given up rappin'.

						Peace..........aMIL
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Music List
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:59:51 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct7.144922.5853@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>    Redman "Whut? Thee Album" (Def Jam/October 20th, 1992)

	If you don't believe me, run to the nearest record store right now! 
This is out as of last night...filled with tracks, Redman has blood all over 
his hands! Lives up to expectations on first listen.

>    Mary J. Blige "Real Love (Remix)"

	There's also a reggae/dancehall mix of this...where can it be found?

>    Shabba Ranks, No Title (Epic)

	X-Tra Naked...check out the soon to be released track with Johnny 
Gill...

>    Shinehead ""
	Ooops, forgot the name of this again...Much better than "Family Affair"
-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
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From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: rEDMAN
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct13.145452.12993@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes...
> 
>Since my first listen to Redman's album, I like it more and more.  And yeah,
>Redman(I don't know him so I wont call him by his real name) does come off
>kind of hard, but I don't know about that near perfect production stuff.  It
>was pretty tight and the levels were pretty distinguishable, but what do you
>mean when you say it was "near perfect"?

	By "near perfect" I mean for THIS ALBUM the production is very good
and matches really well with Redman's style of rappin.  In some parts, though,
its not all that, so I call it "near perfect".  But I'm NOT comparing it to
other albums or DJ's at all.

								aMIL
From: ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:30:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Whenever you hear rap in a commercial, usually aimed at little kids and
in some cheezy public service announcement, the rhythm is always dead
and lacking in attitude, the rapper sucks, the rhymes are contrived.
I suppose I should be happy about this, keeping quality rap out of
commercials, but why do you suppose this is true?  Does being an ad
executive automatically prevent you from producing a rap with good
flavor?

- evan
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Why is rap in commercials always lame?
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:35:55 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Also, Cypress Hill did a St. Ides add.
St. Ides really cashes in on the good stuff, unfortunately, Chuck D
doesn't drink liquor...

                                             -LX
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 03:19:38 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- 	Look at the rap in ads for St.Ides and RedBull, for example.  DOOPE!
- For example, the EricB and Rakim one (ST.IDES) and all the Ice Cube ones,
- ESPECIALLY the new one which peeps a song off Cube's new album talking about
- St.Ides.  (Have you heard it yet?  The production is identical to the Bomb
I
I heard that Cube pulled his ads for St.Ides since he is rollin' with the 
NOI...any truth to this rumor?

Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Whut?  Thee Album
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:34:18 GMT
Organization: UB


	Definitely not a PC album! My personal favorites (pressed rewind a
couple of times) : "Time 4 Sum Aksion", the one where he gets AIDS, "Tonight's
Da Night", "Sooper Lover Man" and of course "Blow Your Mind"...Sounds like 
the squad had a good time making this album...the credits (to Moms and Pops)
deserve a look...

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
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From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: FARTS (was Re: Rap sucks balls)
Keywords: sucks
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct7.010509.29999@pellns.alleg.edu>, leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu (Jason Lee) writes...

>Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!

This post gives me a great idea.  Next semester, let's have a betting pool, and
each alt.rap subscriber can place a date (and GMT time) for the First Anti-Rap
Tirade of the Semester (FARTS).  Of course, FARTS from bettors are eliminated
(as are anonymous FARTS).  

Just a thought...

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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: New Albums
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:13:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.161612.16179@husc3.harvard.edu>, mfreeman@husc8.harvard.edu (Mark Freeman) writes:
> Hey--I saw T-Dub(I think that's who it was)'s article on new music.
>When exactly is LONS comin' out wit' something new? What about 
>ATCQ? What about Black Sheep (by the way, wassup wit' Mr. Lawnge's
>fucked-up haircut? Or is it jus' me?)
>
>                                                Peace,
>                                                Ronin Wolf
>                                                (Righteous Black Man)            

LONS new one should be done, but with all the sample clearances and xtra legal
crap one must now go through to release an album, who knows when it will be
out!  All I know is that they hope for a '92 release.  Somebody once posted on
the net that the new ATCQ album will be, "Midnight Maurader," and will be out
early '93.  This was knowledge the person obtained from BET's Rap City with
Quest was on.  Haven't heard jack about new Black Sheep, though Dres does make
an appearance on Showbiz & A.G.'s new album with the cut, "Bounce Ta This." 
After the damage done to their, "Strobelite Honey," (anyone out there get
caught with that second 12" release of that, that is all house?!?), they need
something new.  And, I agree, Lawnge does have a F**ked Up hair cut!!!!

                                              T-Dub
                                              SHYGUY productions
From: fusion@terapin.com (Jerry Chang)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Date: 10 Oct 92 08:00:01 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <92282.195046SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>anything that can be played without a band is horseshit
>
>Now this is just a stupid statement.  Why?  Because this guy probably has
>never listened all the way through a rap song.  If he had sampled some
>different types of rap and then made an educated choice that he didn't like
>rap then fine.  But to generalize without knowledge is stupid as well as the
>definition of prejudice, i.e. to "pre-judge".  It's redneck sentiments and
>remarks like this that give all Asians a bad name.                            
e
>
>
>Peace.
>
>Steve Wei
>
Asians a bad name!!  First of all, I've never heard the words redneck and asian
in the same sentence.  I thought that was a term for white guys.  Don't judge
all of us asian guys by this one idiot...shit...I've been listening to rap
since fresh beats like Run DMC, P.E. and the D.U..  I don't think the issue is
race it's pre-judging as you said.  Let me tell you, ALL nationalities
pre-judge...not just asians.
-Jerry

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From: sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: B-Boys Jimmy James
Date: 14 Oct 1992 11:16:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Very Dope.

	This is a great single.  I'm a huge B-Boys fan, and yes I am going to
see them in LA on the 24th of november (I can't wait), and I really like
this single.  It's weird though.  I'm from Buffalo originally and I saw this
single in Toronto and it was called something else, had the same songs as the 
regular single but looked like the So Watcha Want single.  I think it was some
weird import.
	The single has:

	1.  Jimmy James (Single Version) - I like this track, it's shorter
	    and I think it's teh one used in the video.  Some weird 
	    scratching in the middle.

	2.  The Maestro - Same as on the Album
	
	3.  Jimmy James (LP Version) - Same as on the Album


	4.  Boomin' Granny - The dopest track since the License to Ill.  
	    Totally hilarious.  I think that Adrock and Mike D have some
	    elder grandmother Oedipal complex.  A must hear.

	5.  Jimmy James (Original Original Version) - Who knows?  Kinda crazy.
	    Isn't it weird that the B-Bys released Jimmy James and didn't 
	    play it in concert when I saw them this summer.  This track is a
	    little more raw.  More scratching and wierdo samples.

	6.  Drinking Wine - A great instrumental.  Very dope.  An obvious 
	    testament to the fact that the Beastie Boys, like many other
	    rap ARTISTS, PLAY THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS AND PLAY THEM WELL.

Peace......that's the 411

I'm out like Rick Rubin and the B-Boys.
From: v081jwnc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MC Flexible Flyer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: ATCQ Hot Sex Video
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I just peeped the video about an hour ago and I was wondering why they 
made such a wack video.  I saw the movie, and I have no clue as to why 
Tip is wearing that wack ass Jason mask.  The shiny shirts are strange 
too.  I wonder if they made that video only for the fact that is was a 
single for the movie.


I am off like a prom dress,

William E. Neuburger, Super Genius
(Obvious rip-off of Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius)
From: fusion@terapin.com (Jerry Chang)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Hip Hop Questions....
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:07:16 PST
Organization: BBS

>What singles would you all classify as being hip-hop classics? I'd vote
>for...

Classics...

"Black Steel in a Hour of Choas"  by P.E.
"Paid in Full" by Eric B. and Rakim

>"La Di Da Di" by Doug E Fresh and Slick Rick
is this the one with the Inspector Gadget sample?  If so, this one is phresh!!

"Going back to Cali" by L.L. Cool J
and, of course, "Humpty Dance" by the digital underground
oh yeah and "Posse's on Broadway" by Mix-A-Lot and "Boyz in the Hood" by
Eazy-E.

lata...

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Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:26:54 -0400 
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: pRINCE

Amil writes:

>	Has anyone heard that new Prince album yet?  Its not hip-hop,
>but its not bad.  Its right along the lines of _Diamonds And Pearls_,
>but is a lot funkier and has more rap tied into it.  
>	The rap is done by members of the N.P.G. and is in that melodic,
>Prince fasion, so dont expect much there.  And there are a few samples
>he uses in his songs, like one by Eric B. and Rakim, and one by N.W.A.
>(from _NIGGAZ4LIFE_).  They're hard to pick up, but enough to credit in
>the liner notes.
>	If you like Prince, like I do this, this album is a slammin'!
>Personally, I think he's a "musical genius, man"!  
>
>	Anyway, back to the hip-hop................................aMIL

I just picked it up yesterday, and it's back to the old style.  Talking
about using big samples, on his song "7" if you listen closely, or read
the liner notes, he samples the baseline from Lowell Fulson's "Tramp." 
Damn, that has got to be the sample of the past two years, as was
discussed this past weekend. 

-Mc