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From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:16:34 GMT

Additions to symbol list (20407)

CIRCLES:  Coffee Cup

BLACKS: Coffee itself

TWINS: OAM/Gerrard
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 21:00:07 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker) writes:

> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> >
> >Remember when the dwarf said "I am the arm?" I think he somehow represents
> >the evil that MIKE lost when he lost his arm and was "purified." 
> >But when did this supposedly happen to MIKE? After Laura's murder?
> 
> Before, surely.  In the first episodes of the series we see the OAM going
> about his business as a shoe salesman, within a few days at most after
> Laura's death.  Someone who had recently cut off their arm would almost
> certainly be in hospital.
> 
> Or is there a plot inconsistency about this?
> 
> 
> -- 
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When they first encounter the OAM he is not under Mike's possesion and he 
says he lost the arm in a car crash, Mike says that he took it off 
(he never uses the word "cut"). Is it possable that Mike used his 
super-natural powers to cause the car crash in which the OAM says he lost 
his arm when he is not under the control of MIKE. Also when we see the OASM 
in the piolet he is walking around in the hospital in a cloke, but there is 
no evidence he is selling shews, and you cant see weather his arm is there 
of not. SO he could have lost his arm after bot Laura's death and the piolet 
 (it was not untill later that they actualy found him) or he could have been 
under the control of Mike when we saw him and possably impervious to pain. 
Actualy Mike feeds on pain so...

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| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Set/Location Consistency (was Re: Harold's Home in series, and FWWM)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <18k3fjINNo46@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes...
> 
> 
>I also thought that the set up for Harold's place was compeletly
>different in the movie than it was in the series. For one thing
>wasn't his bookcase in a different place in the movie. And in
>the movie his place was much darker, and it seemed that walls
>were darker...though this might just be an effect, to set a
>darker movie befitting the dark mood of the film.  But any
>of you lucky folks who were able to see the film more than
>once, can you confirm or deny this for me, that Harold's place
>was much different in the movie...just like the Palmers.
> 
>Sally--

     I saw FWWM for the second time last night, and after reading
     a couple of comments on here about the locations/sets and
     their soundstage counterparts, I paid close attention.

     Harold's room - or whatever that is; trailer? - is basically
     the same.  The set from the second season was obviously
     BASED on the location they filmed his FWWM scenes in.  There
     are bookcases on BOTH sides of his apartment - i.e., on both
     sides of the greenhouse (the door to which we are shown, but
     not the window).  I thought it would have been a nice touch
     to show Harold actually HIDE the diary in his secret panel...

     As for the Palmer house -- this is the same house that was
     used in the pilot.  This is the same house that the soundstage
     sets were based on.  The thing that's throwing everybody (I think)
     is that it's no longer just a 2 dimensional, 9/10 human scale
     set: IT'S A REAL HOUSE NOW.  
     And since FWWM is a movie, with more time and allowance for 
     sophisticated shooting style, the look of the house through
     Lynch's camera can be more elaborate -- hence the confusion.

     The Hayward house - exterior and interior - is also the same
     from the pilot, just shot differently.

     Scott
From: WTD100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:50:33 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I'm a student at PSU and want to see "Fire Walk With Me", But because of the
fascist movie companies in the State College area, the film is not playing!!

Is anyone else having this problem???  Has the movie been released to
metropolitan areas only???

I NEED to see this movie-----Help!
From: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Did Donna know about Laura's past? (Movie/TV show)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 10:46:52 GMT
Distribution: world               
Organization: private UUCP site, Kiel, Germany

Hi,

I just saw the movie last week and I was surprised that Donna seemed to know
everything about Laura. I remember in the TV show, she didn't.

According to the diary, Laura tried never to tell anything to Donna...

[Please mail your responses as I usually don't read this group.]
Ulrich Gall, Seebrooksberg 2, W-2300 Klausdorf, Germany
Tel.: +49-431-790292, EMail: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: formica table?
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:18:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


Hmm. Here's a really far-fetched connection:

	"formica table" == "For Mike, a table"

I distincly remember that the syllables were stressed like this (
with 1 being the greatest stress):


	 4	 1	3	 2	4
	for	mic	a	tab	le

That is, with the primary empasis on "mic" or "Mike". I realize this
sort of conflicts with the subtitle, but perhaps thats the idea. Note
also that the distances between 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 may not all be equal.
--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Help, info. on down loading the TP Hypercard stuff
Date: 11 Sep 1992 06:11:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Since I am using a Mac SE, and only possess a 1200 baud modem, I have
to use the campus computers to download and then transfer the material
over to disks. Now, I was able to do this with all the Mac sound files,
but I ran into problems when trying to do the same with the Mac Hypercard
stuff. I downloaded to the campus Mac but then could not transfer it over
to a disk since the file was too big...Now can anyone help me, give me
some pointers as how to get the file....Upon downloading it I checked it
out and it I am hooked I need it to add to my Peaks collection.

Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone help me out....

And what of this new Hypercard TP Trivia thing?


Sally--Sigh, can't find anyone to go see TP, so I am stuck at only
seeing it once--A. Wilson



-- 
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
  And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.    \\\\\	sally@mica.berkeley.edu
("The Conqueror Worm"			\\\\\
from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: BOB linked to Coop's mom's death?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:05:05 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep9.165334.2412@athena.mit.edu> abbe@athena.mit.edu (Abbe J Cohen) writes:
>I'm new to this whole bulletin board/network thing, and I still haven't seen FWWM,
>but when I found this net, I couldn't resist reading even the spoilers.  After
>looking thru Coop's autobiography, I noticed something that may or may not be
>related to the question of the ring and its significance.

>Does anyone have any ideas whether this is related to the ring in FWWM that was
>being discussed in various spoilers on this net?

No... but I do think it was the ring that the Giant took from Cooper in the
second season premiere and gave it back when Coop figured out that Leland
was BOB's vessel.
  
>If so, then does this mean that
>1. BOB was involved in Coop's mom's death,

Hmm.  Intriguing.
>2.  wearing the ring has something to
>do with being killed by BOB,

Well, Annie wore it and she's not dead.  Doubt if it's that simple.

>3.  Since Coop tried on the ring (to know that it 
>fit his pinky finger perfectly), is he going to die too,
>making the last episode
>of the series both more understandable and more depressing,  

Well, if it wasn't the same ring, then the question's moot.

>4.  Does BOB perhaps
>choose victims hereditarily (Coop, his mom, perhaps her father;  Laura, 
>Leland).

That seems like a very strong possibility.  After all, BOB has been
haunting the woods around Twin Peaks for generations.  Probably he's tied
to the lives of the townspeople.  It could be that the Cooper family had
ties to Twin Peaks several generations back, and only now are the elements
all coming together.
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Great Went - Duality Role Playing in Twin Peaks
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     Everybody in Twin Peaks has a double.
     Whether its a physical double - such as Leland/BOB, Senor Droolcup/
     The Giant, or Laura/Maddy - or a spiritual/mental double, such
     as Donna, the innocent and Donna, the bitch; Nadine the bitch,
     Nadine the teenager; Josie the sweet, Josie the vicious; etc.

     Twin Peaks is playing, sometimes elaborately, sometimes for fun,
     with the concepts of duality - from different halves of a
     character's personality, to bumps on the head, etc; sometimes
     for serious: dopplegangers, possessions, harbinger/visitations,
     etc.

     The Great Went/Muffin exchange between Jaques and Laura is clearly
     meant to be more of this; a reference to sexual role playing they
     have had fun with in the past.  

     Personally, I wouldn't give it any more weight than that: it affirms
     Peaks' obsession with duality, it's funny.  It's over.

     Scott
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: FWWM gripes
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.193907.7425@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
> 
> Was the scene actually shot? And are there other scenes featuring some of our
> favorites that were actually shot, but are now playing to the cutting room
> floor? Just wondering...

I don't know.  Lynch talked about the scene as though it was to be shot 
later that day or the next, but we didn't stick around long enough to see.
The precis of the shooting script that someone posted has the following in
it which contains both Pete and several other of our favorite characters
who didn't make the cut:
#-- Laura tells Bobby at school she needs more and they agree to meet at 11
#   -- Laura runs into James and they agree to meet later in the afternoon
#   -- Johnny's birthday at Ben's office.  Ben tries to blow up a large
#      rubber Indian.  Johnny steps in his cake.  Leland looks at Laura's
#      picture on Ben's desk.  Sylvia asks why there are no pictures of
#      her, Johnny or Audrey there.  Jerry and Leland talk about the
French.
#      Jerry mentions that they love the trees more than anything.  Leland
#      mentions that Sarah's cousin is French and can't stop talking about
#      the trees around here.
#   -- At the sheriff's station, Hawk reports to Truman that Joey just
#      called.  Bernie left Canada an hour ago.  They and Andy prepare to
set
#      a trap for him.
#   -- Laura arrives quietly at Ben's after Johnny's party.  He gives her
#      some cocaine.  She says she'll do more than kiss him for it.

#   10:59 pm (clock)
#   -- Bobby roars through the night, radio blasting
#   -- Laura sneaks out of the house and meets Laura two front yards away.
#      They toot up while he drives.
#   -- Pete pulls into Big Ed's Gas Farm for some gas.  Ed fills it up and
#      wipes the windshield.  There's a spot on the inside so Ed hands Pete
#      a rag.
#       Pete:  {as he cleans}  Even this heavy work beats being at home
with
#         the ball and chain.
#       Ed:  Brother, I hear you talkin'.

-Rich Haller
From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: OAM's Purification (SPOILERS)
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:06:35 GMT
Organization: The reduction of entropy within a system

In article <rhaller-090992125112@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
|In article <1992Sep06.050016.21050@microsoft.com>, t-markla@microsoft.com
|(Mark Lambert) wrote:

	<stuff deleted>

|> This may be a bit contrived, but the telegraph pole bears the numbers 12480
|> and 6. If you sum the digits of 12480 you get 15, sum those and get 6. So 
|> that's two sixes. I looked hard for another, but couldn't see one. 666 is 
|> probably too traditional for Lynch anyway.
|
|Probably, but I suspect the 6 on the pole is an intentional reference to
|666.
|
|-Rich

From my notes (taken during the second viewing) the number on the pole is
one of two numbers:  either 8824810 or 3824810, located above the larger 6.

The first digit is obscured by either a wire or a pipe, so one can only see
the rightmost half.

As for the 666, the only way I can reconcile that within my mind is to 
consider the judeo-christian images that were added by this film.

Anyway, the number is not to be determined by us.  There is no three there
to show us the difference between a three and an eight (i.e., in that font,
a three may have a flattened top stroke).

Just my $.02...

J

-- 
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---------------------------+  That is your reciept for your husband,
and this is my reciept for your reciept. - Brazil
From: mking@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Tremond
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:15:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: lizardo.wpi.edu



Hello?  Someone should brush up on their French.  Hello?

Try...    Tres= very
          Mond= world

Hello?  nice try but what is the significance.

Matt.

Lynch, you crazy black dog, ha.
From: mking@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Hello?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:25:32 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: lizardo.wpi.edu


SINCE WHEN DID THIS BECOME A POLITICAL CHANNEL, GET OFF OF THE IRAQI
PAST, GET OVER IT, AND DO SOMETHING MORE INTERESTING, LIKE WRITE ABOUT TP.
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Wood, plastic, floating
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:29:55 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep6.211420.18741@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
Noel) writes:
>I was re-watching some episodes lately and from what I can see, the Palmer
>house isn't a different "set", actually, don't they use a real house? In the
>TV series, we see the house from a different perspective.. mainly from the
>living room into the dining room whereas in the movie we see it mainly from
>the front door to the dining room or in the dining room itself making it
*seem*
>smaller.
> 
> -=*George*=-
>
>
Yes it clearly is a real house, but it is also just as clearly not the same
house (I went back and looked at the pilot episode too).  You are right that
the angle is different, but I think that was done to try to disguise the fact
that the house is different.  In fact, I noticed that many of the locations in
the movie are different than the ones used in the show.  I think much of the
show was shot on location.  Perhaps the people who live/work in those spaces
didn't want to have the movie shot there after 2 years of being disturbed by
the series' filming?

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against Suburbanization!
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From: kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: "I am Windom Earle"
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:11:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	IT WORKS.
	I read the post about "Garmonbozia" being "I is Windom Earle"
backwards. I tested it by reversing a tape. It works. It was really eerie.
It works, I tell you. It's true.
	Sorry, I'm a little stunned.
	Any theories? I'm as blank as a fart on this one. Why did Lynch do
this? What does it mean?

								Help,


:x
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Harold's Home in series, and FWWM
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:52:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



I also thought that the set up for Harold's place was compeletly
different in the movie than it was in the series. For one thing
wasn't his bookcase in a different place in the movie. And in
the movie his place was much darker, and it seemed that walls
were darker...though this might just be an effect, to set a
darker movie befitting the dark mood of the film.  But any
of you lucky folks who were able to see the film more than
once, can you confirm or deny this for me, that Harold's place
was much different in the movie...just like the Palmers.

Sally--


-- 
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
  And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.    \\\\\	sally@mica.berkeley.edu
("The Conqueror Worm"			\\\\\
from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Coop's Security Camera Trick in FWWM (Spoilers)
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:24:54 GMT

In article <Bu6HMB.DEG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Scott J Gorcey) wrote:
> 
> Doppleganger:
> 
> 
> Now, wait a minute:
> 
>   Does this remind anyone of that business in The Waiting Room during
>   the last episode, or is it just me?
> 
>   Let's compare:
> 
>   Final Episode: Coop's going from room to (nearly identical) room
>   in The Waiting Room, down that corridor... and this becomes so
>   confusing (not just to him) that he actually meets himself coming
>   and going: the doppleganger.
> 
>   FWWM: Coop tells Gordon he's had a dream [surprise!].  Next: we see
>   Coop walking from the corridor to the security monitor room, trying
>   to catch an image of himself in two places at once (why, we don't
>   know, but it of course has something to do with this dream he's had).
> 
>    Then: HE DOES IT.  Coop looks at Coop in the monitor.  Now, besides
>    this being typical-Lynch - like Senor Droolcup always being the
>    harbinger of The Giant -- something strange (Coop's trick) followed
>    but something truly bizzare (in this case, Agent Jeffreys) --
> 
>    I think it's a keen foreshadowing of the final episode - and a 
>    connection to Annie showing up in Laura's bed talking about "the
>    good Dale is in the Lodge..."  

I agree and make the same point in a  previous post noting Jeffries remark
"J:  {pointing at Cooper}  Who do you think that is there?" 
>    Considering how everyone and everything in Twin Peaks has its
>    double - whether it's a physical double (like Laura/Maddy, Leland/
>    BOB) or a personality double (Donna first and second season)... this
>    means... what?  Comments?  

I'm going to discuss the double issue in a separate post.

>    Has Coop been expecting what happened in the final episode... all
>    along?  And because of this, does he think he knows how to get
>    out of it?  

According to the Diary, and I think, some remarks in the series, Coop
clearly suspects he has an important destiny and that he is in TP at that
time for a special reason, but he doesn't know what it is.  My own theory
is that one thing he goes into the lodge for (though he doesn't know it at
the time) is to redeem Laura's soul from the equivalent of purgatory, hence
the angel scene at the end of FWWM.  He can't prevent her murder, but he
does triumph in the end.

-Rich
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Petroglyph tattoo time
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:01:15 -0300
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <rhaller-130992095912@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.125744.7500@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1992Sep13.123559.7497@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> > Allright...here goes.

> Correct, hence the left shoulder. The OAM had "Fire Walk With Me", not the
> petroglyph, but  what the hell, it's your arm, Mike.
> 
> -Rich Haller
> 
> P.S. I thought Bobbie shot you. Guess you have wonderful powers of
> recovery.       



Hey, you know what they say....

"Mike IS the man!"
Mike(you've no idea how long I've been waiting for that opening! ;-)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: half-baked monkey theory
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:27:42 GMT

   Sorry if somebody already mentioned this, but I think the
monkey is a half-baked reference to THE PRISONER.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Minor point about the Bookhouse Boys
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 23:47:14 GMT

In article <15364@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the
Frog here...) wrote:
> 
> In article <rhaller-090992112532@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >1969 (the approximate date of
> >founding of the Bookhouse Boys)
> 
> This seems to be a common misconception.  It seems to me that the Boys have
> been together much longer than that -- remember Truman's quote in #1003
> "Men before us, men before them".  It could just be that 1969 was when most
> of the current crop of Bookhouse Boys (Truman, Ed, Hank, et cetera) joined.
> 
> I don't remember the precise "going on twenty years now" quote, but I think
> it could be interpreted that way.

I agree with you that Truman says something about problems and men dealing
with them before simply 20 years ago.  I got the 69 date from the timeline
preface and forgot to check the episode that they had used to create the
supposed event.  I think 20 years ago was probably as you state when the
current group got started, and probably when they started using the
bookhouse as their meeting place and using the name.

When they introduced the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as the date when
'they will receive you'  (Major Briggs) there was some suggestion about a
periodic event, lets say roughly every 20 years, when maybe particularly
bad things happen in the TP area.

-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks