HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:10:56 GMT

In article <3733@eastman.UUCP> talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley) writes:
>Path: mailer.cc.fsu.edu!gatech!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!kodak!eastman!ashleigh!talley
>From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
>Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
>Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
>Message-ID: <3733@eastman.UUCP>
>Date: 29 Sep 92 11:59:54 GMT
>References: <bibhas.717685421@femto.engr.mun.ca> <3725@eastman.UUCP> <KETIL.92Sep28210509@spurv.ii.uib.no>
>Sender: usenet@eastman.UUCP
>Followup-To: /dev/null
>Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
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>In article <KETIL.92Sep28210509@spurv.ii.uib.no> ketil@ii.uib.no writes:
>>In article <3725@eastman.UUCP> talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley) writes:
>>
>>BUT: Perhaps we could start letter campaigns to get more coverage for
>>free software?  Mail a letter to Byte or whatever, ask for reviews etc
>>of Gnu stuff, and other free software.
>
>Please explain (via email :) why on earth Byte would voluntarily review, in
>a positive way, free software that is superior to that sold by vendors who
>use Byte to advertize their substandard (software) products.
>
>>I'll stop *now* :-)
>
>Me too. Really!
>
>>--
>> = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =
>> = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =
>
>--Brian
>__________
>Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
>talley@acadia.kodak.com
>

Only one reason, the readers are not reading b
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: genie@netcom.com (Gene Choi)
Subject: Compiling errors after installation of 4.1 shared libraries
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:15:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom


Hi.

I'm in need of someone's help.  I've recently reinstalled MCC
Interim Linux .97-p2 and patches 3-6 with no problems.
I've also installed the MCC 2.2.2d GCC and C++ compilers with
all the goodies.

Lately, I installed the shared libraries libc.so.4.1 so that
I could get X11v2.0 running (and it runs beautifully!).
Now I can't seem to recompile anything.  

I tried setting up a hello.c file to test.  The error I get is:

"{Linux:34}gcc hello.c
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.2.2d/crt0.o: Definition of symbol _main (multiply defined)
hello.o: Definition of symbol _main (multiply defined)"

What does this mean?  Strange.  I believe the culprit to this
problem was the installation of the libc.so.4.1, since I had recompiled
the Linux kernel (up to 0.97-p6) without any problems.... right
before I installed the new tables.

Thanks in advance.

Gene
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help please: upgrading MCC Interim of some time ago to .97pl4
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:17:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep27.231751.766
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <Sep.27.17.35.14.1992.27359@athos.rutgers.edu>, hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes:
|> hlu@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:
|> 
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> >Please save any future annoucement about compiler and library even if
|> >you don't need it at the time unless you know what you are doing.
|> 
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.
|> New users won't have a saved copy.  Please put the necessary information
|> in some very obvious place on tsx-11.


You can find copies of all the docs about compiler/library on tsx-11 under
pub/linux/GCC. Any suggestions about better locations?

H.J.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: fsmith@grind.cheme.cmu.edu (Frank Smith)
Subject: setjmp problems with X source
Organization: Grind Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:05:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: grind.cheme.cmu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I've installed jump4.1 with 2.2.2d, yet I still get the following errors when
compiling most X source.  The following example is from the xv source:

----
% make
gcc -o xv xv.a libjpeg.a libtiff.a -lX11 -lm
xv.a(xvjpeg.o): Undefined symbol _setjmp referenced from text segment
xv.a(xvjpeg.o): Undefined symbol _setjmp referenced from text segment
make: *** [xv] Error 1
% 
----

What's the problem?  What do I need to change in order for it to use the jump
libraries?  Any help on this would be appreciated.


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: 80x25 default terminal
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:51:28 GMT

Paul Douglas Page (pdp@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU) wrote:

: Is there a simple method of changing the default terminal set up that Linux uses from 80 x 25 to 80 x 24 ? I have had a lot of people call up with modem software that only supports 80 x 24. I seem to remember Linus mentioning this several
: weeks ago. Some sort of kernel patch I beleive.

Try changing the "li=" parameter in /etc/termcap from 25 to 24.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: wissner@beech.mcs.gvsu.edu (Jim Wissner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: KHOROS and linux
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:37:12 GMT
Organization: Grand Valley State University

In article <1992Sep30.104143.19003@cicb.fr> lebailli@cicb.fr (Olivier Le  
Baillif) writes:
> 
> 	I'd like to know if KHOROS have been compiled/tested under linux ? 
> 	In this case are the binary available on some ftp site ?
> 

Not yet that I know of.  We run it on our INDIGO Elan at work.  We also  
got a Gateway 486 this summer w/ a 660mb hard drive, and 400mb of it is  
Linux - for the purpose of me porting KHOROS to Linux.  But since classes  
have started, I spend what little time I have at work fixing bugs in my  
own [poorly written] code...  8-) 

But - I'm getting pressure to work on it, so with any luck I'll get to it  
within a couple weeks now...  If anyone is interested in making a joint  
effort of it, that'd be great!  I haven't even looked to see what all will  
be involved yet (an enourmous amount, I suspect.)

- Jim
wissner@beech.mcs.gvsu.edu
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Xega and system lockup
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:15:32 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

mmh@mercury.analog.com (Marc M. Hoffman) writes:

> 
> 
> Sounds like its your mouse...
> 
>  Does /dev/mouse point to the mouse device????

It points to /dev/mouse: major 10, minor 0

>  Do you have a microsoft mouse....

I have a Logitech BusMouse...

I've discovered that using ...tst/mouse/mouse produces the error
message "Stack Overflow on IRQ5"

I'm going to pull the busmouse and use a serial mouse. See if 
that helps anything.

Does anyone know why my logitech is acting this way? It works 
great in dos --even using the Microsoft mouse driver.


--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: david@ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: top suid - security hole?
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:54:00 GMT

Rafal Kustra (summer student) (rafal@utstat.uucp) wrote:
: My ps, top and stuff are suid. This is so they can read
: /dev/kmem. Now top allows you to kill. With suid set
: anyone can kill init ! Not a best sol'n. So where did I
: go wrong ?

Change /dev/kmem to mode 660 and then make top, ps, free, etc. setgid
instead of setuid.

David

-- 
David Engel                        Optical Data Systems, Inc.
david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: badger@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Jonathan Badger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Great Groff/Nroff subsitute - only 58k (AWF)
Keywords: GROFF NROFF AWF
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:41:23 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I have only a 15 MB Linux partition right now, so I have not
installed groff (over 1MB!). Just today, however, I discovered
AWF - The AMAZINGLY WORKABLE FORMATTER! AWF is an awk script
that mimicks "nroff -man". Yes, I know nroff does other things
than format man pages, but I think that's all most people do with it and
AWF does it very well. Slowly, yes, but very well. I would not recommend
using it to format pages "on the fly", but the way I use man, I keep
compressed formatted man pages in /usr/man/cat1, etc, and AWF works
well for this purpose. The best part is awf only takes up 58K, about 5%
of what groff takes up.

AWF is available (among other places) on wuarchive.wustl.edu
in /mirrors/unix-c/textproc/awf.tar-z.
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: peterw@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Peter Williams )
Subject: Re: Help please: upgrading MCC Interim of some time ago to .97pl4
Organization: Design Computing Unit, The University of Sydney
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:01:56 GMT

In article <1a3h54INNrve@almaak.usc.edu>, ssarkar@almaak.usc.edu (Subrata Sarkar) writes:
|> Around two months ago I installed a Linux using the MCC interim
|> release.  It worked ok except for some nastiness by Mr. emacs.
|> I have trident VGA and hence no X.
|> 
|> Today I tried installing TeX and it only works with "jump tables
|> 4.1".  I don't know what this means, but in looking around tsx-11
|> I got the idea the file jump41.tar might help (very smart, eh?).
|> I unpacked the file and found the install script.  (It does not work.
|> I read it and did the stuff by hand).
|> 
|> Now tex blows up with a core dump.  It must be because I'm older than
|> .97 pl4.  Presumably if I move to .97p4 with a new emacs and gcc my emacs 
|> bugs will also go away?
|> 
|> How do I goto .97 pl>4??  There seems to be no MCC interim release
|> at .97 pl4 or so.  I looked around at tsx-11 and it's a real mess of
|> a file system.  I looked at SLS and it's v.96.
|> 
|> Help, please.
|> 
|> 	-Subroto
|> 

If you do not have the 4.1 jump tables you should get the TeX files from
pub/linux/tex-etc/GCC.2.2.2.version on archsci.arch.su.oz.au (129.78.66.1).
These are compiled with the GCC 2.2.2 shared libraries and are otherwise
identical to the latest release (so no functionality is lost).

-- 
Peter Williams                |e-mail: peterw@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
Key Centre for Design Quality |phone: +61-2-692 2053 or +61-2-660 6156
University of Sydney          |+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Tload and uptime: incorrect reports?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:03:19 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Before I upgraded to pl6, I used to run tload and uptime and get values close
to > 1.5 when I ran gcc.  Now, I barely go over 0.10 for the same
compilations.  What is the reason for this?
-- 
Laurent Duperval          | The opinions expressed herein are my own and
                          | do not represent those of this establishment
duperval@ere.umontreal.ca | That's because they don't have enough $$$
duperval@jsp.umontreal.ca | to afford them.  Noone does.
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: unexpected interrupt?
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Oct4.014156.11412@athena.mit.edu> pmacdona@tadpole.bcsc.gov.bc.ca writes:
>Sorry if I missed it, but is the fix to the "unexpected interrupt"
>problem in .98 just to bump up the HD_DELAY?

No, the fix is this one-line "patch" to linux/kernel/blk_drv/hd.c (at
the end of the read_intr() function):

----- "patch" -----
  	if (i > 0) {
  		SET_INTR(&read_intr);
  		sti();
  		return;
  	}
+ 	(void) inb_p(HD_STATUS);
  #if (HD_DELAY > 0)
  	last_req = read_timer();
  #endif
  	do_hd_request();
  	return;
  }
----- "patch" -----

That is, add the "(void) inb_p(HD_STATUS)" line.  Don't try to run the
above through patch - do it by hand, or wait for the first "official"
patch to 0.98 which has this and some other patches (possibly out later
today). 

In case somebody wonders what happened to the hd-driver between 0.97.pl6
and 0.98: I removed the status-checking after reading the controller RAM
buffer.  Reading the status could (on some hardware with a fast disk)
result in an acknowledge of the *next* interrupt, which linux would then
wait in vain for.

The above patch does read the HD_STATUS register - but it does so only
after we have gotten all the interrupts we expect from the current
read-request.  So the above should (and does) fix the drives that need
the inb() while not breaking anything else. 

0.98 also has some other changes to hd.c, but those are mostly minor
reorganizations of the read/write interrupt handlers.

		Linus
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stevek@m2xenix.psg.com (Steve Kirkendall)
Subject: Re: Termcap question
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:52:51 GMT

davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) wrote:
>satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru) wrote:
>> Basically, Elvis seems to think that one needs to wrap each IC (insert
>> character terminal escape) output with a preceding IM (insert mode) and a
>> succeeding EI (end insert mode).
>
>This is the correct behavior.

I consider it to be a bug, myself.  It'll be fixed in the next version.
If you don't want to wait for the next version, you can make the change 
to the current version yourself.  All you need to do is modify the the
curses.c file, and change...

	pair(&IM, &EI, "im", ei");
	mayhave(&IC, "ic");

... to...

	mayhave(&IC, "ic");
	if (!IC || !*IC)
		pair(&IM, &EI, "im", ei");

This way, if your termcap entry has a non-empty :ic=: string defined then
elvis won't even look for the :im=:ei=: strings.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pjlahaie@uuisis.isis.org (Paul Lahaie)
Subject: Problems with Larix + 0.97pl6
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:21:14 GMT

   As the subject says, i'm having trouble installing Larix with a virgin 
(0.97pl6) kernel.  I had attempted to set up the TCP-IP code (0.8) on 
0.97pl6, but it didn't work very well, no I nuked my /usr/src/linux tree and 
uncompressed 0.97pl5, applied patch 6 and applied the larix patch.  When I 
compield it, I got many odd errors (most of them cause I had tried to remove 
the scsi code) but some of them were because of errors in the Makefile 
(wasn't including mouse.o into chr_drv.a).  Now I'm stuck with 3 unresolved 
references, and I have no idea where they should be, he's what ld complains 
about:
 
kernel/chr_drv/chr_drv.a(mem.o): Undefined symbol _mem_init referenced 
from text segment
kernel/chr_drv/chr_drv.a(mem.o): Undefined symbol _mem_unload referenced 
from text segment
kernel/chr_drv/chr_drv.a(mem.o): Undefined symbol _mem_end referenced 
from text segment
 
    Any help would be appreciated.  Also, anyone know of the existence of 
tcp/ip patches for 0.97pl6?  I've got LPmud 3.12 compiled, but need the 
tcp/ip patches to see if it actually works.
 
                                                        - Paul
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: Re: byacc
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:16:11 GMT

djansa@aphrodite.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa) writes:

>I read byacc was uploaded to tsx-11....  I cannot seem to find it
>anywhere.  Anyone have another location where I can find it??

It is in pub/linux/sources/usr.bin where I said it would be. look for
byacc.lzh (you need lha to extract files)
lha is in the same place in Archivers/lha-1.00.tar.Z

>Thank you.

>Dean 
>djansa@shorty.cs.wisc.edu
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:42:57 GMT

In article <BvCpFJ.K7s@nic.umass.edu> procha@titan.ucc.umass.edu (PAUL ROCHA) writes:
>[...]  However, I would dare say
>that TeX does not produce better output than say Quark Xpress, or FrameMaker,
>and I reckon, I can produce that page must faster than you can with TeX.  That
>gives me more time to have a beer.

Unless you are a professional typesetting expert, you will be able to produce
better looking output with TeX than with Xpress or Framemaker.  Reason: TeX
macro packages provide you with built-in expertise in the fine art of type-
setting, whereas a WYSIWYG DTP program allows you only to break all the rules
of quality publishing.  (As any publisher will be glad to tell you: the advent
of DTP has multiplied the percentage of bad & ugly publications out there.)

To the person who said that he admired those who wrote 500 page theses using
TeX:  I have spent many hours teaching undergraduate students how to write
their theses using Microsoft Word, and have dispaired at the results (despite
the fact that they keep telling me that I'm a great teacher.)  I'm convinced
that a good thesis macro package for LaTeX and 2 hours of instrution would
produce far better results than 4 hours of instruction in MS Word.

--
Jurgen Botz                  |   Internet: JBotz@mtholyoke.edu
Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
South Hadley, MA, USA        | Snail Mail: J. Botz, 01075-0629
From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux activists unite all you have to lose is your DOS
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:21:10 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA

In article <1992Sep29.211727.5276@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
   Lawrence C. Foard (lfoard@Turing.ORG) wrote:
   : So why not bombard BYTE with letters asking them to cover free software?
   : 
   : Any one know what there address for comments is? (Why do I suspect they
   : don't know what e-mail is?)

   BYTE does cover free software, and is ON the Internet. I suggest you send
   email to Ben Smith to tell him about Linux. His address is
   ben@bytepb.byte.com

I did send him mail some time ago -- a fairly extensive letter, but it
bounced off uunet, where I assume they got their feed.  Has anyone
gotten it to work?  (editors didn't work either...)

I'm sure Ben would like to know about linux...  I just want to know if
I can reach him before I send him any more mail... ;-)

michaelkjohnson
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ins295b@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Upgraded to .98 from .97p2,login screen says .97p2
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:46:14 GMT

jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes:

>In article <BvMH9t.LDG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:
>>I recently upgraded from .97p2 to .98 however the login screen still says
>>.97p2, is this a problem or not?

>It depends what you mean by login screen.  If you mean the list of
>messages that Linux presents as it initializes the system (stuff about
>serial ports, SCSI devices, etc), then it would be a problem that it
>reports 0.97p2 instead of 0.98.

>If you mean in the message that login displays, you need to edit the
>file /etc/motd.
	I fairy sure the file you need to change is /etc/issue, login
displays that as it's header (as far as I can tell)


--

Andrew Humphrey
ins295b@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
ins295b@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
humpy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

"Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean the whole world isn't out to
get me".


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum)
Subject: MGR and my mouse
Summary: My three button Dexxa mouse doesn't like MGR
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:41:06 GMT

I just installed MGR on my 486Dx/50 running Linux 0.97.1, and the
Trident 8900C graphics card, which seems to work fine, but when I
actually boot the system, and get past the spinning globe, moving my
mouse results in random movements in a million directions with buttons
being pressed when I am not pressing any buttons.  I have a Dexxa
mouse with three buttons on Com1 (/dev/ttys1) ... I notice that in
Windows, if I refer to it as a Microsoft mouse it works fine, and if I
refer to it as a Logitech mouse it works fine also... what could the
problem be?


-- 
"And men are men who till the land, and women are women who weave, fifty men
 own the lemon grove, and no man is a slave." -- Herbert Read

Comrade @ LambdaMOO (telnet lambda.parc.xerox.com 8888) daum@bode.ualberta.ca
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 15:07:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, system@kryton.UUCP (Scott Beckstead) says:

>> and many now consider it dead.  It certainly isn't - there's still a huge fol
>> lowing - but it's not as "alive" as it could/should be.
>>
>
>Being an amiga owner I have to agree here.  Not dead merely sleeping.
>


is it just me, or does it seem that Amiga owners are the most fanatical
of all???? :)

The ones here at CWRU constantly scream about their blitters, etc.

was a good machine in its time, as was my old Atari 400 with B-keyboard.
Damn I hated that original template thing :)

Later


-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis    "ask me why and i'll die/and if you must go to work
Thieves Like Us      tomorrow/well, if i were you i wouldn't bother/for there
mal11@po.cwru.edu    are brighter sides to life/and I should know because I've
                     seen them/but not very often/am I still ill?"
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