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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:56:37 -0400
From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      RE Epic

If we are to become a unified world, maybe we should think about a global epic a
   s opposed to national ones.  The UN could be a good starting place.

Salut,
Giuliano Valentino, Dalhousie U or WANNAKER@Dal1
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From:         STEVE McNutt <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Grad Programs in S&T

Rich,
     Check into The University of Texas at Austin. I have several friends in
their graduate programand they all seem pretty enthusiastic about it. GOOD LUC
K.

Steve McNutt

Researching:McNutt,Blahnik,Fisk,Maxwell,Griffin,Tuttle,Linton,
Brown,Hartel,Chase,Stanly(Standley,etc)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:20:37 ECT
From:         ROBERT <BB05196@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: info on historical journals needed
              19 Nov 1992 19:11:34 GMT from <riilai@SARA.CC.UTU.FI>

NIETHER OF THOSE JOURNALS ARE ONES WITHA LARGE SUBSCRIPTION LIST.  I MEAN
JUST THINK ABOUT IT -- EL GRITO TRANSLATES INTO "THE SCREAM."  SOUNDS LIKE A
PICASSO MURAL, SI SI, ES VERDAD?
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:10:01 EDT
From:         Dale Lally <DLALLY@STLAWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: info on historical journals needed

I have just completed a translation of a German-American history first
published in English in 1864.  It included an extensive list of journals
which I turned into an index.  I have also indexed all the family names
and place names.  If interested, contact me via private e-mail.  Regards


Cordially

Dale V Lally Jr, Director
Carnegie Language Center
St. Lawrence University
Canton NY 13617
(315) 379 5857 VOICE
(315) 379 5989 FAX
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:42:27 EST
From:         "James G. Carrier" <jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
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On Nov 15, 11:31am, DGPAZ%CLEMSON.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU wrote:
> Subject: Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
> On Sat, 14 Nov 1992 06:49:30 EST "James G. Carrier"
> <jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU> said:
>
> > On Nov 13, 11:24pm, Lenny wrote:
> > > Our national epic was our trips to the Moon.  The most important
> > technological
> > > accomplishment in the history of the human race.
> >
> > After all, who would seriously compare the trip to the moon to the
invention
> > of penicillin (sp?) for bettering the human condition; or indeed, for
those
> > whose memories strech back to iron lungs, the Salk vaccine?
>
> The invention of the wheel might beat out the moon trips as
> "most important technological accomplishment in the history
> of the human race", for those who are into awarding such
> silly and meaningless prizes. Others would be the smelting
> of metal, the flaking of flint, the brewing of beer, the
> invention of printing from moveable type, and the invention
> of weaving.
>
> Denis Paz
> History--Clemson
> -- End of excerpt from DGPAZ%CLEMSON.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU


Fine, except that smelting, flaking, brewing and moveable type were not
invented by people likely to predominate in an American epic. (Yes, Fleming
did pennicilin - which I still can not spell - but apparently he did not
recognize its potential or develop it; I think I read somewhere that an
American did, though I could be wrong.)

          Yours,

          James G. Carrier

29, University Circle / Charlottesville, Virginia, 22903
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:56:42 -0400
From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Lefthandedness

Having to live in a world with a right-handed bias seems to indicate that leftie
   s are able to adapt better.  See how well we handle can oppeners, soup ladels

and computers with important buttons on the right.

Salut
Giuliano "Sinister!" Valentino
Wannaker@Dal.Ac.da
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Subject: Re: Causes of famine.
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:56:33 GMT
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              18 Nov 1992 12:12:00 GMT from <ECNROBINSON@ORBSEN. UCG.IE>

I haven't read Sen, but from the passage you quote it sounds as
if he is mainly saying that absent worldwide famine, famines are
a manifestation of the personal (or regional) distribution of
income.  To an economist (a species to which I belong), the
argument makes sense.  Potato disease increases the demand for
non-self-produced food by farmers, to the extent (large in C19
Ireland, I'd assume) that they grow their own food.
Simultaneously, if they sell spuds for cash, it cuts their income
and therefore their ability to buy alternative food.  If they
don't have alternative sources of income (move to the city or
America, raise other crops, dole, etc.), they're in trouble.
Moving beyond that, there are other market issues.  Did Ireland
have the remaining foreign trade capability (things to export) to
be able to import enough food?  All of that is basically saying
that there was enough food, but it wasn't distributed "right."
But economics has to stop somewhere:  it seems to me you need to
start investigating the political and social institutions that
shape the market institutions.

--TOM HADY, National Economy & History Branch, Economic Research Service
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From:         "Gail M. Pietrzyk" <pietrzyk@A1.QUAKER.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
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On Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:42:27 EST "James G. Carrier"
<jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU> said:

> (Yes, Fleming did pennicilin - which I still can not spell - but
> apparently he did not recognize its potential or develop it; I think I
> read somewhere that an American did, though I could be wrong.)

Denis Paz continued:

> I think you are wrong. Fleming, a Brit married to a Greek (who spent
> much of his time in Greece -- his widow got in trouble with the
> Colonels, 20 years ago), got at least a knighthood (& possibly a
> Nobel Prize) out of his discovery, thereby suggesting that indeed
> he recognized potential and perhaps even developed the thing.

> Let's look it up in an encyclopedia.

Development of penicillin as an mass-produced antibiotic was one of the
projects of the Committee on Medical Research, an advisory group to the
Office of Scientific Research and Development, directed by Vannevar Bush.
The chairman of the committee was Alfred Newton Richards who is considered
responsible for organizing the effort.

This should make Lenny happy.  Not only was it an American, but actually
the U.S. government who can take the credit.

Gail Pietrzyk
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:32:37 -0500
From:         Aram Meguerian <JOSELUIZ@UFRJVMS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Unsubscribe, please

        To the listowner,

        I'm subscribed in this list by another eletronic adress, one I lose
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:18:32 EST
From:         Cal <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NAS
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              23 Nov 1992 09:21:00 EST from
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Hey Denis: What you say about some people using the classroom as a bully
pulpit is, sadly, true.  But the practice is not limited to women, African-
Americans, leftists in general.  Surely you've known retrograde conservatives
who practiced the same techniques.  I know I did; but then I was an undergrad
in the antediluvian era.

Cal Pryluck, Radio-Television-Film, Temple University, Philadelphia
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:18:24 -0500
From:         wheelerc <32WHEELER@CUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness

Actually, difficulty with speling IS related to dislexia, and tends to hit
every other generation (according to my special sources).  The strange part is
all me, however.

Carol
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:06:20 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "22 November, A Day's Remembrance"
              22 Nov 1992 18:18:47 MST from <ICJME@ASUACAD.BITNET>

Wait a minute Jim Emmons.  Andrew Johnson was a capable and deserving
president.  The tragedy of his administration was not of his doing.

The policies which he concientiously tried to put into effect were those
of Lincoln.  His enemies were Lincoln's enemies, now flourishing because
of the lesser stature of the new president.

Johnson was an American Hero.

Lenny
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:09:34 -0500
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Grad Programs in S&T
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              19, 92 3:39 pm

Try the University of Toronto's Institute for the History and
Philosophy of Science and Technology. As for employment afterwards <sigh>,
let me know if you find anything promising.
AK
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:53:41 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: JFK's disabilities
              22 Nov 1992 15:52:00 EST from <MCCLELLAN@URVAX.BITNET>

I remember that as I went to bed on the night of the asassination, I thought
to my self that if this were any other country (with a few exceptions) I
could not have slept easily.

Lenny
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:49:54 EST
From:         Dan Tompkins <PERICLES@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NAS
              19 Nov 1992 03:14:00 -0500 from <adler@RISC1.ACC.URI.EDU>

This is in response to Allan Adler's posting concerning the Nat'l
Association of Scholars (NAS).

NAS is a vigorous group of largely conservative academics.  The organiza-
tion includes some well-known centrists, e.g. C. Vann Woodward and James
David Barber.  Other members include Alan Kors and John Silber, and Peter
Shaw.  What NAS believes in depends to a degree on who you ask.  They make
a great deal of noise about the evils of political correctness and free
speech codes, but if you read the material emanating from the group's
officers  you'll find they are fierce opponents also of interdisciplinary
studies in general (see the piece by NAS VP Thomas Short in the 1988
edition of Academic Questions--the NAS journal) and of women's studies,
both of which Short views as the tools of a "totalitarian"--his word--
movement in U.S. academics.  Short also warns that "academic free speech"
doesn't include "political" free speech, a line adopted as well by lynne
Cheney in her embarrassingly feeble recent "report" from NEH entitled
Telling the Truth.  (Cheney's argument that by being political we've
given up any claim to protection from the outside interference that led
to the firings of e.g. Moses Finley, Alexander Meiklejohn, etc. should
be chilling to all of us.  Her argument here is really muddy, but that
is what she seems to be saying on pp. 30-31 of Telling the Truth.)

You can obtain copies of this elegantly printed and packaged document by
calling NEH in Washington.

It is interesting that women's studies seems increasingly to be the
target of the NAS onslaught.  The reasons are various.

NAS acts, as they probably did in the Rhode Island meeting Mr. Adler
attended, like a grass-roots organization of humble faculty folk.  Their
budget (annual) is in fact about $900,000 (source: Chronicle of Higher Ed.),
of which $100,000 comes from the John M. Olin Foundation, with more from
Richardson, Scaife, and Bradley foundations.  That's a lot of money.  NAS
has headquarters in Princeton NJ; its journal Academic Questions is published
by Transaction Press.

In 1991 two groups were formed largely aimed at organizing academics and
others who opposed the neo-con and conservative attack on the academy:
the Union of Democratic Intellectuals, founded by Stanley Aronowitz and
others, and Teachers for a Democratic Culture, of which the two coordinators
are Gerald Graff and Gregory Jay, both in English, at U of Chicago and
U of Wisconsin-Madison respectively.  They're good fellows.  I'm a member
of this latter group, and have a big pile of our newsletter vol. 1 #1 that
I'll gladly send to anyone who sends me a mailing address.

Pardon lapses in grammar above: daughter's bedtime intervened.

Dan Tompkins, Classics, Temple University, Phila. PA 19122
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From:         HARRIS <BB05196@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Causes of famine.
              18 Nov 1992 12:12:00 GMT from <ECNROBINSON@ORBSEN.UCG.IE>

ON THE SUBJECT OF THE POTATO FAMINE IN EUROPE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 19TH C
I DO NOT HAVE MUCH INFORMATION, SAVE WHAT IT MEANT TO THE HISTORY OF U.S.
IMMIGRATION.  I DO KNOW A BIT ABOUT THE DUSTBOWL IN THE U.S. IN THE 1930S,
HOWEVER, AND I SEE A DEGREE OF RESONANACE HERE.  THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND
MANY OTHER OBSERVERS OF THE PERIOD WERE QUICK TO POINT TO GENERAL CLIMACTIC
AND ENVIRONMENTAL ROOTS, BUT IGNORED THE ROLE PLAYED BY 20TH CENTURY FARMERS
AND GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES.
   A SERIES OF SWAMPS, OCEANS, AND GLACIERS HAD SWEPT THROUGH THE AMERICAN
SOUTHWEST OVER TIME, LEAVING A LEGACY OF CALICHE AND OTHER LOOSE SOILS TO THE
REGION.  BUT AGRICULTURAL SCIENTISTS AT THE TURN OF THE 20TH CENTURY ADVOCATED
"DRY LAND FARMING," A SERIES OF PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE DUST MULCH AND THE SUMMER
FALLOW, WHICH LEFT THE LAND VULNERABLE TO WIND EROSION.  AND THE US GOVT FAILED
TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF WIND EROSION UNTIL THE DUSTBOWL HIT IN THE 1930S
-- SEE PAUL BONNIFIELD _THE DUST BOWL_ 1979.
      HARRIS   BB05196@BINGVMB
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From:         Energy is eternal delight! <ECNROBINSON@ORBSEN.UCG.IE>
Subject:      Causes of famine.
Comments: To: HISTORY@irlearn.ucd.ie

 I'm interested in the Irish famine and particularily the views of the people
on the list about Amartya Sen's analysis of the famine in terms of" exchange
entitlements" and how well it applies to the" Great famine" as it is known
here.He argued that famines are better explained by examining shifting market
forces than by simple food shortfall;"Famine is a characteristic of some people
not having enough to eat.It is not the characteristic of there being not enough
to eat".
        In the 1840's there was pototo disease all over Europe yet only Ireland
has a famine.Climate as a main cause I think is superficial.For govts of the
time and after,ideologically its more attractive to stress climate as it
diminishes responsibility.The Malthusian idea of the structual weakness of
society I think is better (population and overpopulation) and Sens idea that
famine can be reated purely by the market and its distributions (in the case of
a minor food shortfall that is).

        I think I have said enough for a while.
Paul
ECNROBINSON@ORBSEN.UCG.IE

UCG IRELAND
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 11:14:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject: RE: US NATIONAL EPIC

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:52:38 EST Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
said:

>      ER, Denis, I like your comments on Devoto's book...
>      .... but it's "184_6_" isn't it?

I can't remember what year I gave it. Now that I'm an
English historian, 1848 resonates more deeply than
1846.
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From:         FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      Re: help from ohio?
Comments: To: HISTORY@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu

Joe Hartel:

The capital of Ohio is Columbus.

-Steve Fox-
History Department
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From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness

Leonardo Da Vinci was an expert at it.  That's how he kept most of his stuff
secret.:-)

Salut
Giuliano "left bank" Valentino
Dalhousie University in Halifax N.S. Canada
Wannaker@DAL.cs.da
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:33:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidential Dissabilities

On Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:25:28 GMT andy <2893684@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA> said:
> Would being a moron count as a disability. If so, I can think of one or more
> Presidents who fit the bill:)

Sometimes, being a moron is a requirement for public office.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
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From:         ERMEL STEPP <M034050@MARSHALL.MU.WVNET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anderson Virtual Qualities for Elec. Publishing

I, also, need Anderson' article, "Virtual Qualities...". Please
post the citation and/or source to the list.

Ermel Stepp
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From:         LMACKLIN@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Archiving elctronic journals

I was very interested to hear of the University of Michigan Library's efforts
to archive electronic journals on their gopher system (see Stevan Harnad's
message of 11/18/92 in which he includes a message from Lou Rosenfeld).
Is the UM Library attempting to archive all electronic journals, or simply
selected titles?  As a serials librarian I am concerned that electronic
journals may not be archived and made accessible for future generations if
Libraries do not attempt to archive them.  I applaud their efforts and would
be interested in knowing more.

Lisa A. Macklin
Serials Records Librarian
University of North Texas Libraries
Denton, TX 76203
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From:         Gregory Bloomquist <GBLOOMQ@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Anderson Virtual Qualities for Elec. Publishing

Could someone please tell me where Greg Anderson's article
"Virtual qualities for electronic publishing"
was itself published?  Thanks in advance.  (PS Please reply to me directly, un-
less you feel that it is of interest to the entire list.  It _is_ a very good
article.)

Greetings.

L. Gregory Bloomquist
Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul
University of Ottawa  / Universite d'Ottawa

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From:         James Powell <jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu>
Subject:      PostScript to DOS PCX converter



Date: 17 Nov 92 15:04:11-0800
From:
/PN=Thomas.K.Hinders/OU=CCMAIL/O=CHAN.IS/PRMD=MMC/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com

To: jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu
Subject: Postscript to DOS PCX converter

    Does anyone know of any programs that can convert a Mac postscript file
    into DOS PCX format (fax-compatable).

    Reply via E-mail (could be painful) :

/PN=Thomas.K.Hinders/C=US/ADMD=TELEMAIL/PRMD=MMC/O=CHAN.IS/OU=CCMAIL/@SPRINT.COM



    Or:

                                Thomas K Hinders
                       Martin Marietta Computing Standards
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From:         "HENRY, NANCY" <NIH@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Index Medicus

Has anyone heard anything about Index Medicus being published in a
microfiche version only??

Nancy Henry
Penn State University
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From:         MORB@UORDBV.BITNET
Subject:      Copyright notice

We have the following stickers on all the PCs in our public computing
facility:
        WARNING!
Many computer programs are protected
 by Copyright, 17 U.S.C. Section 101.
    Unauthorized copying may be
       prohibited by law.

These were purchased about 5 years ago and given to the Medical Library
by the undergraduate computing center.  I can track down their source
if so desired.

Betsy Morris
Miner Library
University of Rochester
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