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From: mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I)
Subject: In Search of a Working "Jesus On E's" / LSD
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:04:33 GMT

I am reposting what has been posted three times already, once by me, because
I refuse to let this die.  

I've not heard that anyone has ever gotten the new LSD demo, Jesus On E's, to 
work on ANY system configuration.  Same story here as on the few boards I 
call- 8 minute boot, and it crashes shortly into the demo, which seems to be
really nicely done (if in fact it has been 100% done).

I know some of you guys are really into the European scene- isn't there 
anyone reading this who is in contact with the guys who made this?

Many are anxiously awaiting to see this demo in its entirety.

Btw, in case you hadn't noticed, in NTSC the video does not show but the 
music plays and doesn't crash- it seems to be a 2-part, and the second
tune is really nice.

I will keep reposting this until a 100% version hits the ftp sites, or I
find out that it was never completed.

 

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Meg Chip --> 1 Meg Chip RAM!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:22:10 GMT

ss@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WeaponX) writes:

>now the kcs board allowed me the option to use that half meg as a ram
>disk or as fast ram (i thought). Before i got my hard disk the half
>meg was a ram disk but once i installed my hard disk i completely forgot
>to install the kcs ram disk thus (i thought) leaving the half meg as
>fast ram BUT

>after several upgrades of the kcs board (software based by the way
>the kcs board is a pc emulator and good at it) i think my extra
>kcs half meg had made my chip ram upto 1 meg of chip ram.(i dont
>know how)

>The only reason i know this is that a computer magazine (cant remember
>which one) gave away a demo of ceaser but it would only work if you
>had 1 meg chip ram. So my cousin who lives with also has an amiga
>his being a 1.3 a500 without a kcs board tried the demo but to 
>no avail.

>So i tried out the demo. (i think i may have copied to my hd can't
>remember) and to my amazement it worked!! (Total Amazement). My
>cousin and i could'nt understand how but i figured it was the extra
>half meg which i think, not to sure but i believe the kcs board
>had defaulted the half meg to chip ram. (I have the old chip set)

>So i believe there must be a way to turn your memory somehow into
>1 meg chip ram.
>How this helps

The only way to add extra chip memory is with a Fatter Agnus!
Have you tried this demo without the KCS board plugged in?
You may already have the 1meg chip, without even realising.  ie/ CBM somehow or other sold the computer with a newer Agnus.

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Re: '040 specs + DEMOS on A4000
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<brianc.722114997@pv660a.vincent.iastate.edu>
	<1992Nov19.121502.6489@ifi.uio.no>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:06:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.121502.6489@ifi.uio.no> nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen) writes:

>In article <brianc.722114997@pv660a.vincent.iastate.edu>, brianc@iastate.edu (Brian J Cerveny) writes:
>> In <1992Nov18.104255.4078@daimi.aau.dk> u920659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen) writes:
>> >geirh@solan.unit.no (Geir Haugen) writes:
>> >>      instructions in hardware. All other 68882 instructions (i.e.
>> >>      sin, cos, exp) are emulated in software.
>> >Eh, how fast are they then?
>> Still faster than the 68882 built-ins.

>But are you taking the exception overhead into account when saying that? Of
>course, sw written especially for the '040 is faster. But programs for the
>030/882 running on a 040 could actually be running slower since it has to
>emulate this through exceptions.

Well, of course we're talking about 68030+68882 vs. 68040 optimized code here,
yes.. Getting the kick out of an 68040 means you have to use a 68040 aware
compiler. With C, that's SAS/C 6.0, with assembler, I don't know.
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From: doerrhb@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Heath Doerr)
Subject: Re: PAL Hardware switch
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:21:56 GMT

>> 
>> In my previous article it should say pin 41 NOT 44.  NOT FOURTY-FOUR!!!
>> 
>> 
      Whats the best way to do this on a 2000?  I have seen it done on a 
      500, and there is a small jumper right next to Agnus that can be cut
      and the chip is never touched.  I cant seem to find this jumper in
      my 2000.   Suggestions?     
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From: srp@travis.csd.harris.com ( Stephen Pietrowicz)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Music and Code from Demos
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:17:43 -0500
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.csd.harris.com

From article <1992Nov17.215357.15277@ntg.com>, by ewhac@ntg.com (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab):
> In article <1992Nov6.004942.20842@colorado.edu> judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu (Stephen Judd) writes:
>>You are talking to Leo Schwab!  He is THE original Amiga hacker!  He wrote

> acknowledge the help of William Arthur Ware (author of the game
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that Reichart Von What's-his-name?  (I had heard long ago that "Reichart"
changed his name).

Anywho...more trivia....did you know I was the one that coined the name
"Schwabie" for those display hacks when I was a sysop on PLINK?   It was
the only decent keyword we could think of.  :-)    (And, actually, the
name "Schwabie" was a nickname of another friend of mine whose last name
is "Schwab").

Speaking of Screen hacks...  done any lately?  :*)

Still a fan!  

Steve
-- 
Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what
is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
From: wchucky@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chuck Woo)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Music and Code from Demos
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:19:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <Paul_Trauth.13b6@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth) writes:
> WW> that's right, there was a predecessor to the zx81...  *groan*  hey,
> WW> Paul,
> WW> why not remind us of the differences?  
>Why not. Hey people, just imagine trying to CODE anything on this...
>Both had a Z80 for the CPU. I think. I only knew BASIC at this point, ML
>looked like deep magic to me back then...

that's right, a Zilog z80.  probably running at 1E-1000 Hz.  I guess you've
tried reading one of those assembler books for it?  pretty heady stuff when
you're only 12 or 13 year old...  (at least back then  :)

>Yes. 1k. This is not a typo. And yes, it was small.
>The '81 (marketed in the US by Timex as the Timex/Sinclair 1000) was a bit
>less hellish. it had, um 8k ROM and 4k RAM.

nope, only 2k ram!

>I still have nightmares about that flat plastic "keyboard" and the twenty
>different cursors indicating which of too many modes the keyboard would be
>interpreted... Eeeek.

hey, still got yours?  the cable for my keyboard cracked, and I can't find
a replacement...  :)

anyway, let's stop this thread before more people get depressed and commit
hara kiri!

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From: nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen)
Subject: Re: Music and Code from Demos
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:20:50 GMT
Originator: nilsco@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


In article <d2hacker.722155564@dtek.chalmers.se>, d2hacker@dtek.chalmers.se (Magnus Hacker) writes:
> Could this be the (in)famous ZX80? (or was it ZX81?)
> I remember I was about to buy one of those, but my eyes fell
> on a VIC20 instead..
> Just think about it... 3.5 kilobytes of RAM!

The ZX81 had just 1k ram as standard. But you could a 'wobblepack' with a
whopping 16k extra. (wobblepack - it usually sent small wobbly lines down the
screen and if you moved it *slightly*, kaboom!) It also had an amazing two
color palette and max resolution of 64x44. Those were the days...

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From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Re: AGA-demo at Anarchy's party...
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<OAHVENLA.92Nov22161347@lk-hp-4.hut.fi>
	<1992Nov23.042143.28256@daimi.aau.dk>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:30 GMT

Me:
>>Actually, it'd be 16777216, if there was enough pixels. You can use any color
>>from the palette even in HAM8 mode, which makes it compressed 24 bit. Think
>>about it, 24 bit graphics in 1/3 of the space, and hardware to show it withou
>>any conversions!

In article <1992Nov23.042143.28256@daimi.aau.dk> u920659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen) writes:

>If HAM8 works like I think it does (like the previous HAM (6?)) then the
>number of colors must be 262144 + 64.

It does, but you didn't think hard enough. HAM8 means 6 bits modify value and
64 base registers. If you put into those 64 registers all the possible 2 lowest
bit combinations for all base colors (count'em, 4*4*4=64), when you modify
the upper 6 bits, you can (theoretically, although getting any one color might
take even 4 pixels...) use any color from the 24 bit palette.
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From: jhsa@cc.tut.fi (Janne Salmij{rvi)
Subject: Re: In Search of a Working "Jesus On E's" / LSD
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:11:56 GMT


In <1992Nov18.000433.15310@usl.edu> mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I) writes:

>I've not heard that anyone has ever gotten the new LSD demo, Jesus On E's, to 
>work on ANY system configuration.  Same story here as on the few boards I 
>call- 8 minute boot, and it crashes shortly into the demo, which seems to be
>really nicely done (if in fact it has been 100% done).

Works fine on my amiga, which is an ancient A500 with 1.2 kickstart with one
1 extra drive and .5 meg mem expansion. Funny though some demos don't work
well on my machine but work well on my friends machine (which might be a bit
newer model, at least the agnus is different).
From: paulp@uts.amdahl.com (Paul Popelka)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
Subject: Schematics for an M8330 board?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:55:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Hi,

I just bought a pdp 8/m and I'm trying to get it working.
When I got it home I discovered that someone had put the
M8330 timing generator module in backwards and, it looks
like they then powered it up.  This fried one 7401 chip.
I'm going to replace it, but I assume other chips will
be bad too.

So, to find the rest of the bad chips I probably will need
a schematic for this board, and maybe others.  Does anyone
out there know where I can get a copy of the schematic (for
the M8330 or better yet the whole machine)?

Has anyone had any experience with what putting a board in
backwards can do to the rest of the machine?

Thanks,
Paul
paulp@sde.uts.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
Subject: The good old days.
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:54:07 GMT


     Gosh, this group reminds me of the good old days.  I used to work
at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI), the folks who
brought you OMSI-FOCAL and other oddities.  The machine they had there
was a Straight/8 with a serial number of (if I recall correctly) 138,
which replaced the original one they had that had a 2-digit number.
     One thing I was just remembering was a wonderful puzzle from way
back when.  It was a challenge to write a program that zeroed memory.
It had to be written in the first 4K and would zero the entire 4K,
including itself.  So, if you're feeling bored, you might see if you
can do it!  Sadly, I don't remember any solution, but if I recall,
the auto-increment registers at 10-17 might have been useful.

     Robert Ankeney

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Report of 8/E for sale
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:27:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.144033.2518@news.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
>A friend of mine from the University of California at Riverside has
>sent the following report to me:
>
><   I have told you that there is a whole PDP 8 forsale here at the
>< UCR surplus eqpt sale, havnt I?
><   It has a 9 track, and a removable disk pack, plus some other
...


Uh, wouldn't that have been a 7-track tape?
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       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: dicks@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Ethan Dicks)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
Subject: NS 8641 chips *available*!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 12:43:55 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu
Keywords: spares 8641 buffers

cjl mentioned the usefulness of various components for repairing
PDP-8 boards.  The place where I work uses 8641 chips in manufacturing
Unibus and Q-Bus boards.  We paid $7.50/chip for a bunch of National-
Semiconductor 8641 chips.  I think that some could be made available,
perhaps at less than cost.  These parts are new and in the tube.
The boards that these chips were purchased for are not being
manufactured in the quantity that they once were (what Unibus hardware
is? :-), so there are more chips available that anyone here will
probably want to buy.  (One of the designs uses >6 chips).

If anyone is interested, I can go to my boss and see how much the
chips could be aquired for.  To make it easy on accounting, I 
would concentrate the orders into one buy from the company and
divy up the chips into individual orders.  I can also include
data sheets.  I am not, however, aware of which DEC chips these
are pin-compatible to (if any).

I just checked the stock room... the other parts in needless
abundance are COM 5025 sync serial chips, 4164 DRAMs and 74LS374
octal D flip-flops.  

Let me know... If anyone wants to make an offer, please do so; it
will make my job easier.

-ethan

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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Report of 8/E for sale
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:40:33 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

A friend of mine from the University of California at Riverside has
sent the following report to me:

<   I have told you that there is a whole PDP 8 forsale here at the
< UCR surplus eqpt sale, havnt I?
<   It has a 9 track, and a removable disk pack, plus some other
< stuff.  They are asking 25,000 for the whole thing, but I have also
< gotten stuff they were asking 2,000 for 200, so I am sure they would
< be willing to bargan.
<   It is quite a large piece of eqpt, it is over 6 feet tall, and
< I am sure it is also quite heavy.  But, I also suspect that if you
< got it all that would be needed to make it go is to give it power.

I gather that the UCR surplus outlet has a sale the first Tuesday of
every month, and I'd lay even odds that the prices they list are the
original purchase prices that the UCR paid for the equipment when new.
Technically, their sales are by auction, and I suspect that the minimum
bid they'll accept drops from month to month until they get rid of a
piece of equipment.
				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
From: bmw@isgtec.com (Bruce M. Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
Subject: Rim Loaders (part01/01) (Re: What I've got and what I'd like to have)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:19:11 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Nov19.182924.25967@plx.com> asgard@sparky (J.R. Stoner) writes:
> Victor-charles Scafati 4-6784 MR Srv (scafati@incoming.med.ge.com) wrote:
> : Ah yes, 6016, 6011, 5027, 6016....
> 
> Um, nope.  Mine was 33 words long and started: 7126, 1060, 6755...
> You must have been using a different RIM that I did.

You must have been using a different Rim than *any* of us :-)

Not to put too fine a point on it; here are the two I remember(*) most:


             Rim Loader

     Low speed       High Speed
       (TTY)      (paper-tape reader)

7756/   6032            6014
        6031            6011
        5357            5357
        6036            6016
        7106            7106
        7006            7006
        7510            7510
        5357            5374
        7006            7006
        6031            6011
        5367            5367
        6034            6016
        7420            7420
        3776            3776
        3376            3376
7775/   5356            5357

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*  Or, how I would have remembered, if I hadn't forgotten :-)  I cheated
   and copied them off the back of my "pdp8/e instruction list" [DEC
   started the lower-case revolution even before Ken Thompson].

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From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)
Subject: Re: The good old days.
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:26:34 GMT

 bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney) writes:
>     One thing I was just remembering was a wonderful puzzle from way
>back when.  It was a challenge to write a program that zeroed memory.
>It had to be written in the first 4K and would zero the entire 4K,
>including itself.  So, if you're feeling bored, you might see if you
>can do it!  Sadly, I don't remember any solution, but if I recall,
>the auto-increment registers at 10-17 might have been useful.

A puzzle?  We ran this little ditty on almost a daily basis.
0000 ADDR LD
DCA I 0010
JMP 0000
0000 ADDR LD CLEAR CONT

2 instructions.  Actually, we'd run it with the data field set to 1,
then 2, and finally zero.  The program autoincrements itself right
through the field, finally (in DF0) overwriting the DCA with a zero.
(AND 0000)  Then the loop was a lot tighter -- you could see the
difference in the panel lights.  You do have to make sure that
location 10 has a 10 in it when you start, though...

Why did this get run so often?  Because the teachers didn't know how
to reload BASIC, so if the machine went down they'd have to corral a
convenient student, write him a pass out of his next class, and "make"
him reload it.  If you didn't have a panel key, this program would
bring EDUSYSTEM-20 to its knees:
10 DEF FNA(X)=FNB(X)
20 DEF FNB(X)=FNA(X)
30 PRI FNA(1)
RUN
<CRUNCH>

Another interesting pdp8 trick:  Since we had (4) ASR-33s as our only
IO, we wrote a "fourple loader" which would read a clunk from each TTY
in turn.  (The first character was on tape 1, the second on tape 2,
etc.)  This ended up being almost 4 times as fast as loading
through 1 TTY, since most of the time was spent just waiting for the
reader to come ready again.  Each TTY used a tape with a different
leader character, and the loader would figure out which tape was in
which TTY.  Nowadays I think they call this "reverse multiplexing."

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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Report of 8/E for sale
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:28:52 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Nov18.162707.8408@i88.isc.com>,
by jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist):

>><   It has a 9 track, and a removable disk pack, plus some other
> 
> Uh, wouldn't that have been a 7-track tape?

Why?  As far as I can tell, the only reason DEC put any kind of tape other
than DECtape on a PDP-8 was for industry compatible data exchange.  For
example, there's a mothballed 8/I in the chemistry department here at Iowa
that has a 9 track tape drive and a DF32 disk -- the machine runs an X-ray
diffraction machine, and the data it collects is shipped on mag-tape to a
larger computer for analysis.  The disk just holds system software and is
not involved in data collection.
					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: The good old days.
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:32:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.102634.20745@vpnet.chi.il.us> cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes:
>Another interesting pdp8 trick:  Since we had (4) ASR-33s as our only
>IO, we wrote a "fourple loader" which would read a clunk from each TTY
>in turn.  (The first character was on tape 1, the second on tape 2,
>etc.)  This ended up being almost 4 times as fast as loading
>through 1 TTY, since most of the time was spent just waiting for the
>reader to come ready again.  Each TTY used a tape with a different
>leader character, and the loader would figure out which tape was in
>which TTY.  Nowadays I think they call this "reverse multiplexing."

I love it!  Paper tape striping!

Jeez - if you could add enough serial ports, you could attempt paper
tape virtual memory.....    nah.
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Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
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