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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Landscapes
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:58:02 GMT


In article <15OCT92.11413319@enh.nist.gov>
aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>The following was a letter to the editor, Miami Herald, October 10, 1992.
>
>"A mother grieves for two sons lost to AIDS."

That was very moving, and I'm glad you went to the trouble,
for it meant a lot to me.  What you say does, too.

>This is my answer to those who express to me that life
>should be getting back to "normal" here.  Will things ever
>get back to "normal?"

It's funny about vulnerabilities.  It's like a little window
that opens while you're basically not paying attention, a
window in the part of your head that's indistinguishable to
you from your own heart.  You might even fail to notice the
swift passage of a fine wire from way out there in the
universe somewhere, ever so quickly entering that window and
lodging in the parts of you that feel things.  Then
something turns a switch somewhere in your psyche and the
wire quite suddenly gets red-hot.  Even if it instantly
burns up, it's too late, because the window has already
begun to release its stream of sadness, regrets,
disheartening worries, and lord knows what-all.

   Traene auf Traene dann     Tear after tear then
   Stuerzen hernieder.        Spurts downward.
   So kommt der Tag heran.    That's how the day starts.
   O ging er wieder.          Oh that it would pass.

It's the end of a short poem by Moericke, and one of the
most spectacularly gorgeous of many heart-rending Moericke
settings by Hugo Wolf.  I can only get up my strength to
listen to it on very rare occasions (last time a couple
months ago with Clay and Christopher), so wide does it open
my windows, so richly does it it release a flood.

You know, I still cannot stand it that Rob has died.  I
still cannot stand it that my mom has died.  *Stuerzen*
hernieder indeed!  But then, you do what you have to do, the
next step on the path.  Most days you hope, some you don't.

I feel for you Sim, for that woman who wrote the letter.  We
still see pictures now and then from down there on tv
reports.  I'm sure all the rubble lying around is nothing for
devastation like the windows of emotional vulnerability
opened not with fine and elegant wire, but with the violence
and unseemliness of a hand grenade.

>Aside to Jess: The first turkey buzzard of the year just
>passed my window, right on schedule (October 15).  Winter
>has arrived.

I bet it was the very same one I saw from the top of the
East Bluff at Devil's Lake four and a half weeks ago.
It's getting on toward winter here, too.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:39:54 GMT


In article <1992Oct9.190537.3069@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes,
flirting with ungrammar:

>I could seen Se'an being rather
   ^^^^^ 
Shoulda been "coulda."

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: comp.motss (was Re: move)
Keywords: homintern
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:39:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct7.073913.29550
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <BvpC30.4Eu@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

[a wonderful post about what's up with him, the sort of thing that I
really like in motss. But, in true motss fashion, I'm going to
completely ignore what he said and go off on a tangent. Sorry, FJ!!]

>I replied, and half-jokingly asked the recipient if he knew
>C++.  He did. Thanks for your help, Nelson. We couldn't have managed
>those first steps without you.

Just doing my best to further the queer computer conspiracy. I've
gotten quite a bit of technical help from motss, really - I've gotten
news configuratio info from Tom and Doug, and Tim and David and I
regularly ask each other Ultrix questions. We all know that a lot of
the software that we are running (UNIX, X, ...) has plenty of code
written by lesbigays.

And I fully intend to post a resume if and when I get serious about
joining the real world. It might be slightly tacky, but it seems to work.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:05:42 GMT

> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>Melinda's kill file is a comfy place to be.  I wouldn't mind being
>in a few other people's kill files, either.  But on to the charge
>of anti-intellectual - I am, it's true.  They give me unsightly
>rashes.  Send me into fits of violent convulsions.  I *hate*
>intellectuals.  IckyIckyYukYuks. Piiii-tooiieeee.  I spit on
>the graves of intellectuals.  I burn their books and laugh at 
>their paychecks...  Ahh-hah hah hah haahhhhh.  (Unfortunately,
>I tend to laugh at my own paycheck...  <snifle>).

Ironic, isn't it, that Apple gives you that same paycheck for
being, in more than one definition of the word, an intellectual?
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:29:34 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.190632.10349@netcom.com>, stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
|> In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
|> >Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
|> >> 
|> >> I have a decent regard for Madonna, who's nobody's dummy,
|> >> but a person of the cultural stature of Dietrich she's not
|> >> very likely ever to be, nor even of the stature of Janis
|> >> Joplin, to pick someone in the music field.
|> >> 
|> >> -- 
|> >Who's Janis Joplin?
|> 
|> Marlene Dietrich's illegitimate daughter by Mary Pickford, of course. Meryl 
|> Streep is her third cousin, by the way.

This is all so silly.  Comparing Dietrich or anyone
famous from back then to someone who's famous now
just can't be done. Madonna couldn't have existed
then and Dietrich couldn't exist now, not in the
same way.  A lot of Dietrich's movies were major
flops (sound familiar) but everyone knew who she
was.  She was *beautiful* and *exotic*, and Madonna
is *assertive* and *powerful*.  Who cares about exotic?
If the same criteria held now that held when Dietrich
was famous then we'd be subjected to lots more german
accents.   Besides, you get enough fags putting up
enough big arty pictures of Dietrich and Monroe and
of course they'll become icons, ubiquitous and familiar
with clearly defined associations just like WonderBread
or Twinkies. 

You think anyone could get away with those butterfly
eyebrows for as long as Dietrich did, today?  People
seem to require image change to the point that change
is part of the image.  It's not like Dietrich who was
always photographed one way, one look, one style.

-- 
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From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Ann Lander's YUCK!
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:33:18 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Thing is, they're ours and we've gotta live with them.
>Somehow.  That Melinda is *so* evil -- while I was reading
>it, I could *not* think anything except that Sarver had
>written it.

ditto

>What I suppose is that their basic problem is they've bought
>into the whole straight shtick except for a few little
>details like taking it up the wazoo in the dark or tonguing
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>a few parts, also in the dark.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Doubtful.  I suspect Mr. Butch has way too much excess testosterone
to ever allow another man to violate his most secret places.  Trade,
however, is a different story...
-- 
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bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | I can't view my employer from here
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:11:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <PC.92Oct15121837@bacon.linus.mitre.org>, pc@linus.mitre.org
(Penny Chase) wrote:
 
> Maybe it's time for a soc.motss iconclasm (:-))

Now would be a good time, Nelson, for an orgasm joke - you're much
better at it than I am, and far fewer people will assume you're 
being nasty (well, making an orgasm joke has a certain nastiness
of it's own - but it's a *good* nasty, kinda like "Call me Mizz
Jackson if your *nasty* *nasty* boy)...

Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.132136.27014@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>
>That sounds so good in theory.  It almost makes me forget that the reason I'm  
>light-skinned is because some fucking White bastard was fucking one of my  
>ancestors.  Oh well, I guess because she was his property and he paid taxes on  
>her, that was Okay ... Wake up!  This is no fucking Fantasy Island I'm talking  
>about!
>
>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!

Donald,

You're not Atlas carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders.  If
you keep trying, your back will break.  The world's history is full of
injustice, and seas of innocent blood has been spilled.  If you continue
to obsess about it, it will destroy you with an anger that cannot be undone
because the deeds are immutably past.  This is not to say there is no
injustice now, but you won't fix today by weeping tears of bitter anger
over what happened 100 years ago.

There is a story of two zen monks that were travelling to a distant 
monastery when they came to a shallow stream where a woman in fancy
Kimono was standing wondering how to get across without ruining her
kimono.  The elder monk picked her up and carried her across, and the
monks continued their journey.  Several hours later the younger one
asked, "Brother, it is forbidden for us to touch women!  how could you
carry her across the stream?"  To which the older one replied, "Why are
you still carrying her?!  I left her back at the stream."

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:09:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <mike02862920913210403@batpad.lgb.ca.us>, mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us
(mike batchelor) wrote:

> He's too pretty, Melmothra.  You wouldn't like him.

Oh, not necessarily.  Pretty faces on 'reasonably' thin bodies with
little tufts of hair - ohhh la la...  Actually, I made a trip to
Ye Old Magazine Wrack last night in quest of one Jason.  I do 
believe I have found him (in Seventeen, or Teen Beat, or Sassy,
or something like that).  I must say, I wouldn't mind having been
the one to remove *his* virginity...  

I had been confusing Mr. Priestly with Mr. Perry - having seen the
occasional picture of both, and thinking they were the same person.
Something always seemed a little 'off' - but they do have a similar
appearance (though Perry has a less 'pretty' look, and I *do* like
him better).  Not that it matters much.  

There is a bartender at the Empire Arms Cafe in Palo Alto who looks 
*a* *lot* like JasonPriestly...

*A* *lot*

Melmothra, ACC 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: PASSING by Langston Hughes
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:55:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <Bw30r9.H5D@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
[deletion]
>
>There's a movie from the '30's that deals with this theme -- I can't
>remember the name of it.  It has to do with a mother-daughter
>relationship in which the daughter decides to pass.  Anyone out there 
>know what I'm talking about?  Arne would know, but he's taking a break, 
>more's the pity.
>

Luckily, Nannerboy is still on duty, movie-wise.

The movie is IMITATION OF LIFE, starring Claudette Colbert,
Louise Beavers, Rochelle Hudson, Fredi Washington, Alan
Hale, Warren William, Ned Sparks, and Henry Armetta.
It was released in 1934.

It is based the Fannie Hurst soaper, with Colbert pulling
herself up by her bootstraps by selling Beavers's pancake
recipe (supposedly a roman a clef about the real Aunt
Jemima). Beavers continues to work as Colbert's housekeeper,
even though the two women are splitting the profits.

Washington is Beavers's daughter. There's a scene where
Beavers's goes to her daughter's school and says to the
teacher, "Is my baby passing?" It took me the longest time
to realize that she was not asking about her child's grades.

Very sentimental, very dated, and yet fascinating as a
document of its times and for the performances by the two
female leads.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: I did it.
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: world               
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:32:10 GMT

In article <mike02825920909213358@batpad.lgb.ca.us> mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor) writes:
>I did it.  Came out at work today,

GOOD FOR YOU!  Now maybe that nice receptionist who has been
trying to fix you up with her grand-daughter (or daughter)
will find some nice young (old) man for you!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Sean (was Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.))
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:20:58 GMT

jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:
>Shawn and Shaun - Aren't these variations of an Irish name (whatever the
>correct term for the language of origin is; I mean the non-English language
>native to Ireland)?  And isn't the "authentic" form, at least for men, 
>spelled "Sean"?  These are just attempts to preserve sound quality without
>regard for spelling as we cross a language barrier.

The language in question is indeed called Irish, at least by Irish
people.  If you want to be more exact you can call it Irish Gaelic.
The name "Erse" exists in dictionaries but I've never heard anyone use
it.
                                   ,
The "authentic" form is spelled "Sean", and is a man's name.  Women
are not named Sean in Ireland.  There is an acute accent on the A;
otherwise the name would be pronounced "shan" and would mean "old",
which of course would be a terrible thing to call anybody.

I tend to pronounce the name more like a long "shon" than "shawn".
This also how I pronounce the word "shone", which I was recently
startled to discover rhymes with Joan for some people.

So now.

,
Eamonn
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:38:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <67337@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
>>In article <73099@apple.Apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
>
>Little Italy is being hailed as "great Italian"?  My taste buds all
>just fainted dead away.
>
While risking provocation of those mentioned in the original article,
I completely agree. 'Little Italy' does well with an atmosphere or
menu reminiscent of NY-style red-checkered-table-cloth-with-chianti-
fiaschi-hanging-from-the-walls-and-ceiling. 
>
>Pauline's notwithstanding -- I haven't been -- follow this simple rule
>and you won't go wrong: if you want "great Italian", go to North Beach,
>not 24th Street.
>
There are one or two worthwhile places such as Caffe Sport or La Felce,
and there is a hidden treasure in Tazza D'Oro for your basic salumeria
fare, but on the whole you're better off going to Little City butchers
and buying your own meat, cross Broadway to buy fresh green things,
Coit for a good bottle of Brunello or Montepulciano (overpriced) and
Florence or Molinari or Iacoppi for romano, peccorino, parmigiano reggiano
cheeses, maybe a slice of walnut and fig torta, fennel sausage and
finally the corner of Grant and Filbert for a sheet of focaccia.

In truth, Los Angeles has better and more places to enjoy Italian food
and wine than San Francisco. If a list is wanted, I will gladly mail
you one.

>Ooooooo.  Food fight!  Food fight!
>
>Frank
>Minotaur@cup.portal.com


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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Restaurants in SF
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:25:47 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Oct12.215802.15382@ads.com>,
henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) wrote: 
> ->Mifune - This noodle shop in Japan center is rather good.  The service
> ->is quick, the food is filling and the price is right.  A good place to
> ->go before catching a movie at the Kabuki.
> 
> also: *totally* non-smoking restaurant ... 

Sounds just like Wagamama.
-- 
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which give it a peculiar roughness of surface particularly adapted for
millstones" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <mattm-151092111920@mcmelmon.apple.com>
     <1992Oct15.211726.25979@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:44:22 GMT

In article <mattm-151092165348@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
Matthew Melmon, mattm@apple.com writes:
>Me.  An intellectual.  I have *never* been so insulted in all
>my life.  I HATE intellectuals (unless, of course, Jason
>Priestly is a closet intellectual - I wonder how he looks in
>BVD's... Ohhhh I can't *wait* to get home and drool over him
>some more.)

Matthew

I'm very concerned for you.  I promise to take back calling
you an intellectual if you promise to nip this Jason Priestly
thing in the bud.

Jason Priestly is not drool-worthy.  Jason Priestly is
repulsive.  This is not my opinion.  This is _fact_.

It pains me to see you slide down this slope.  Please
renounce your Priestlyhood before it's too late!

You said you hated sideburns, didn't you?   DIDN'T YOU?

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:59:41 GMT


In article <1992Oct10.141707.6220@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>motss-relevance:  sex manuals generally recommend against rounding
>the lips when blowing, since this tends to bring the teeth together,
>increasing the chances of nasty scrapes.

Easily fixed: leave 'em in the glass and round to your
heart's content.  Or use an O that *has* no teeth, which
lets you make faces at men who wear braces (the dental kind,
not the suspender kind, though I like suspense and sixpence
and am generally thought pensive, which Jack would call
pinsive.).

Hoed a load and toed a toad.
Woed the toad and bode the load.

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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:24:11 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Laura Creighton (laura@hoptoad.UUCP) wrote:
 
> If you are going to spend $2000 on a suit, why not find a tailor
> and get one made perfectly and exactly to your specifications with
> all the material and lining exactly as you want?

Why bother, when it's so much more satisfying
to make your own for about $45.  [Slightly 
higher for raw silk or linen, unless it's on
sale.]

I'll admit, though, welt pockets are a bitch.

[Designer labels available for a *small* charge.]

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@maestro.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Reply-To: jclander@maestro.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:00:31 GMT

This one I do know, though I didn't know the exact year.  (I
don't have useful reference books here at work.)

In article <coolidge@kaa.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
|> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
|> >A book review of a Walt Whitman biography in the NYT reports the word
|> >"homosexuality" was added to the English language 100 years ago this year.
|> 
|> How can they tell?
|> 


The issue is the word.  It was a neologism in 1892, made up by
(I believe) a German-speaker describing sexual behavior.  (A
scholar, in fact, who published.  He was looking for a term
for exclusive same-sex pairings.)  I don't know offhand whether
the German term (homosexualitat, I believe, and I don't know 
where to put the umlauts) is 1892 or the English cognate, or 
both.

We can argue (later, much later) whether the term introduced the
concept (in the sense of "a homosexual person", not "a homosexual
act", which has been around for a while) or the concept caused the 
need for the term.  It's not quite as silly an issue as one might
think.

For example, right now, we (the larger society, not just
lgbo) assume that "marriage" is a single-partner, exclusive
relationship.  Heterosexuals (the word is of the same vintage,
if not later) marry MOTOS, homosexuals "marry" MOTSS, and bisexuals
"marry" either.  

But, it is also possible to imagine a world in which each 
person is married to at most one MOTOS at a time, but this
relationship is not necessarily sexually exclusive.  Mistresses
and bastards (see the late 18th and early 19th centuries in England)
were common at times for men, and they received publicity because
the children had to be dealt with.  Since sexual congress (such
a lovely phrase) with a MOTSS cannot result in children, there
is no such need to deal with it.  

But enough pseudo- or semi-linguistic pontification.  The
question is answered, anyway, and the day grows (hooray!) 
shorter.

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org
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