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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 10:17:22 EST
 ><1992Nov17.222731.6254@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1992Nov18.000810.870@csrd.uiuc.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:08:10 GMT
-
-                                             All I am saying is that if
-all the talented people here were forced back to India there would be
-enough of a critical mass to make a difference.

  `Force' how?  Send the Indian army?  Have you thought of the total chaos
that would ensue at the US embassy in New Delhi as a 100,000  jawans line
up for their (tourist?  H1? ) visas?  The thought is mind boggling! :-)

  More seriously, though , consider the following quantities:

X1  =  number of English-Americans  (WASPS)
X2  = population of England
Y1 = number of German-Americans  (semi-WASPS)
Y2 = population of Germany(ies)
Z1 = number of Indian-Americans
Z2=  population of India

  Let  E = X1/X2,   G = Y1/Y2,  I = Z1/Z2

Now it is clear that E and G are similar in size and much bigger than I.
But this does not seem to have set back the development of England or
Germany.  So it is not clear that `forcing' people back to India would be
a solution.  Not to accuse you of being a dictator, but the idea seems to
me to be the dream of a dictator and not a well thought out one at that!  :-)
I would say that creating better opportunities in India for people who want
to contribute would be the right way to go.

Just as an example, most of the best Indian mathematicians in the US are
Barhmins (often Tamil Brahmins).  If you force them to go back to India,
they will immediately face discrimination due to the severe quota system in
vogue in Tamil Nadu.  I often think how amusing it is that Ramanujan is lucky
not to be alive today and face our anti-Brahmin quota system!  (I am not a
Brahmin).

    Also, people getting their degrees from Indian
Universities will not be overjoyed at this sudden competition.  So such
plans really cannot work.

Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Why the sobriqet of Prof: Re: South Indian<>Dravidian
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:34:56 GMT

In <ck.722166098@reading> ck@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati) writes:


>ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu writes:

>>       Whose sensibilities are hurt when Prof Selvakumar quotes from researches

><....lines of the same para deleted....>

>>Vidya Bhavan which show the general premise of Prof. Selvakumar to be the right
>												^^^^
>>one.

><...somes lines of a previous post, and KSRao's post deleted....>

>>    When did your article get out of hand? Did Prof Selvakumar ever burn Ram's
>												^^^^
>I find it rather amusing, that people have started using their titles
>(or others title) in their posts. Mr Selvakumar has never called himself
>Prof. Soandso. So whats the purpose of using this ...... is it a
>sobriquet.....if so than it is better throw some brickbats also!

>Just because someone is a prof somewhere, his word (on a subject in
>which he has no specialisation whatsoever) need not be gods gift to
>mankind! 
  Dr Selva did not claim the above.
>Now coming to the earnest Professor's discourses - at times they are
>diatribes verging on fantasy and (if I didnot have a sense of humor that
>is) racist. At time I am left wondering if I am reading LTTE propanganda
>There is an hidden agenda here. Where Mr Vishnu failed, the sophistry of
>Mr Selvakumar seems to be suceeding.

>The hidden agenda here is to try and justify the silly squables in SL.
>And to develop a silly sense of cultural superiority! For the
>Sri-Lankans, whose mother tongue is Sinhala, think themselves of Aryans;
>and the other lot i.e the tamil speaking Sri-Lankans as a result think
>themselves as the repository of all that is Dravidian.


    Dr. Selvakumar has only tried to put facts into the net and set an
environment for healthy exchange of ideas. But I am afraid kuram and
you cannot argue healthily and now have connected LTTE to some
cultural discussion. 
>regards
>chandrasekhar
  

Regards,

Kathiravan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sivaram@a.cs.okstate.edu (SIVARAMAKRISHNAN S)
Subject: Looking for
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:10:31 GMT

Hi, I am looking for students who graduated from R.V.S. Engineering College 
in the year 1990. Please contact :

(405)-744-3491
Thanx.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 02:55:37 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Why do I have the feeling that people who agree with each other at some
deep level, and who should be friends, are fighting un-necessarily?

It is true that ours is a great culture - or more precisely, our culture
has a great past.  It is also true that we have fallen on bad days and
instead of building on our past, we try to choose betwen mindlessly obeying
our ancestors and mindlessly obeying the Westerners.  Perhaps this is
a consequence of a 700 year rule by a Muslim minority, followed
by two hundred years of British rule.  But some signs of decay are visible
already in India after the death of Harsha-Vardhan and that cannot be
explained through foreign invasion.

However, the vitality of the Indian community in the US is a good sign.
Perhaps we are beginning to come into our own after all.  Let us take the
best from our own past and the best from the West.  Let us reject what is
destructive in our past and what is destructive in the West.  And we
can recover once more the great creativity of the Indian mind.

Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Looking for
Organization: Project Pilgrim, Umass
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.161031.8806@a.cs.okstate.edu>, sivaram@a.cs.okstate.edu (SIVARAMAKRISHNAN S) writes:
|> Hi, I am looking for students who graduated from R.V.S. Engineering College 
|> in the year 1990. Please contact :
|> 
|> (405)-744-3491

	Can we call collect ??

|> Thanx.

	rAjAt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nkramesh%harpo.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nanda Ramesh)
Subject: Re: Blues!
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:32:55 MST
Organization: CSS Research Group
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov21.121938.11743@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman) writes:
|>                 Why should this be?
|> 
|>         Why do I feel depressed?
|>         Why do I feel the blues?
|>         Why do I feel sorrow,
|>         in all colors and hues?
.....

|>         How did this all happen?
|>         Why should this be?
|>         Is this really the truth?
|>         Or is it just the way *I* see?
|> 
|>         Prabs                                   
|> 

I feel the same too,
Can it really be true?
No! it cannot be,
It's because of the H/W that's due.

Or maybe it's not,
Who cares if H/W's due?
Ahhh, now I know,
It's because the Utes lost to BYU.

nanda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:49:25 GMT

In <1414@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:

[whole bunch of abuse deleted...of course in fairness to a whole bunch of
abuse from some one else]

hmmm...i thought sci couldn't sink further. i was wrong.
-- 
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
and wrong.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayan@ceres.ics.uci.edu (Sanjiv Narayan)
Subject: Swami Chinamayananda speaks at UC Irvine, Sunday 11/22
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:43:41 GMT
Distribution: ca


----------------------------------------------------------------------

                   UCI  Indian Subcontinental Club

                         presents a talk by


                        SWAMI CHINMAYANANDA
                        *******************

                       "The Vision of Vedanta"
                      Its Logic and Practicality


                  Date  : Sunday, November 22, 1992
                  Time  : 6:00 - 7:30 pm
                  Venue : Physical Science Lecture Hall
                          UC Irvine (Parking Lot 12B)


                          Admission Free

       Co-sponsored by the Chinmaya International Foundation


Swami Chinmayananda
-------------------
World-renowned authority on the scriptures of India, especially the
Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads, Swami Chinmayananda is also a brilliant
speaker who knows how to make the ancient teachings come alive in the
modern age.

Vedanta
-------
Happiness, says Vedanta, does not lie outside you but within you. Through
rational analysis, Vedanta lifts the veil of ignorance to reveal the very
source of all happiness and fulfillment -- yourself. An understanding of
Vedanta leads you to appreciate the teachings of all the major religions
of the world.

Topics
------
Swami Chinmayananda addresses the following kinds of questions in his
talks:
 - Why God?
 - What is the Macrocosmic family?
 - Why Meditate?
 - What is the Secret of Success?
 - How do we reduce stress in our lives?

For Information
---------------
          Contact : Vijay Gurbaxani at (714) 856-5215

----------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:26:36 GMT

In article <H3RguB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
> 
> <rantings about Hindus, caste, Brahmins and Khalistan >

Please correct me if I am wrong, doesn't Sikhism have some semblance
of a caste system. I find if hard to believe that Sikhism managed to
wrest itself completly from its Hindu [and Muslim] influences. I 
remembered reading an article sometime back describing  just such a
hierarchy in Sikhism. Albeit, it might not be a doctrine, but does it
exist? 

Rakesh Patel
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:03:17 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <HTsguB9w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
>
>saying that hey stayed young by drinking his own urine?   :^)
> 
>/\ A friend of mine mentioned that to me, is it really true or was 
>   he just joking? - If it's a lie i'll take the comment back!
>
>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

I think the hey you are referring to is Morarji Desai.
	I am not sure. Neither am I sure about the medicinal values of
drinking urine.
	Why don't you consult your doctor about it?

A.L.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulxxxx@leland.Stanford.EDU (paulastya gupta)
Subject: Recommendations for lawyers in the San Francisco Bay Area
Keywords: should be *north* of SFO or in North East Bay
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 06:35:10 GMT

Greetings! I am on post-conpletion practical training, and have to 
go through the legal fun-stuff that leads upto establishment of
permanent residency.  

I as wondering if anyone can recommend and names of lawyers in 
San Francisco, Marin County, or in the northern East Bay (i.e. 
north of Berkeley).  The reason I ask this is that most of my 
friends working in the Silicon Valley advised me to get a lawyer
in or near my workplace or my residence.  Well, I work in Richmond, 
and live in San Rafael in the Marin County.  

Any advice would be appreciated.  Also, if there is anyone out there
who lives in Marin County or Contra Costa County (West), is there any 
forum for Indians to interact here, either at a social or a cultural 
level.  I would certainly expect there to be a strong vein of Indain 
Indian Classical music in San Rafael, based on some of the residents!

I just moved to the area and would be delighted if any wise-one 
would help me out.  

Thanks.  (The email is pseudo...I am no longer a student at this account)
- paulastya                     (but the account is still good for now)
(415) 485-3853



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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:11:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

 ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

>	and people want to kill, maim, ban and censor posts from wpi, on
>	s.c.i!!!!!! what a joke!!!!! ;-) ;-)


who cares about what people want! ross perot wanted to become the
president. [mehta are you listening.....ooopppps reading?]

suresh
From: deepak@konark.njit.edu (Albatross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: YACM (Yet Another CM) for Karnataka - Moily chosen
Keywords: Bangarappa := doggie poo
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:22:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <apiczm2@Unify.Com> dbrus.Unify.Com.ijk@unify.uucp (Indradev J. Kadidal) writes:
>
>The news just in... another Karnataka CM has been (s)elected - Veerappa
>the state.
>
>for the same job because he is from the "forward" community (duh..?!). I don't
>think it matters who gets selected to run the state. As long as the current 

Oh My God. That Moily probably used to be a barber or a cobbler or a
grave-digger before he turned CM.

The last CM Bangarappa  practically sodomised Karnataka. This person
Moily is probably going to perform the autopsy. The next person Mr
Krishna will be the undertaker & Lo Behold we can all forget Karnataka
for good. 
--
VLSI:=> "Getting High On Low Voltage"       ** 
E15WNJTPXE15x280WXR1TL21NXL4TL17NXR10TL->    **    Those who can, DO
You can tune a guitar, but you cant tuna fish.**    Those who cant, TEACH.
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-DOWN: Let us thank the conservatives!
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:55:50 GMT

In article <1eraebINNl1n@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
> 
> (Amen) , n --> infinity!!  Been reading too much of the Wall Street Journal, eh? 

> As for Clinton beating up on this philosophy, I am waiting for someone to ask
> him what he thinks his proposed targeted cap. gains cuts and investment tax
> credits are if not a form of supply side-ism.

Well, lets not be so absolutist shall we.  Supply Siders: RIP.  How much
more evidence do they need?  Actually the "trickle down" must be
trickling so rapidly that it makes its way directly to the sewers before
anyone sees it!
 
> I'll take trickle-down over trample-down anyday, thank you.

The meaning of both is fluid:  It depends largely upon who is
trampling and who is being trampled upon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Linus@eugene.UUCP()
Subject: Re: Looking for .............................
Organization: Univ. of Calif. Berkeley,Ca
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:48:25 GMT
Followup-To: Linus@eugene.UUCP() 
Keywords: But who are you? 

In article <92325.155412U61256@uicvm.uic.edu> U61256@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>I am looking for a friend of mine wohse name is Linus Eugene.
>He went to school at Toledo, a couple of years back, and graduated maybe
>last year.
>I think he is someplace in California, right now.
>
>If anybody has any clue about his where abouts, please sned me mail at
>U61256@uicvm.uic.edu
>Your afforts will be much appreciated.

      Yes, I am Linus. But who are you??
From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Mark Fineman writes about.....  India
Date: 18 Nov 1992 10:04:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

The following is an excerpt from Mark Fineman's article
about IRAQ (Los Angeles Times, November 18, 1992):

SANCTIONS SCAR BAGHDAD'S PSYCHE
_______________________________

In this article Mr. Fineman describes how the Gulf war has 
set Iraq back, and how things have deteriorated beyond
imagination with the sanctions. He writes:
.........

"Imagine, for example, a country that has the second-largest
oil reserves on the globe begining to look more like INDIA; ....." 


---------------------------

Mark Fineman is well known for writing the most outrageous
articles about India, painting the ultra negative picture.
However, even when writing about Iraq, he cannot resist
the temptation. 

			--------- SSSadhal
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ....... what is wrong with canada ..........
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:10:24 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.191

 In article <17778@borg.cs.unc.edu> krishnar@dufay.cs.unc.edu (Rajarama Krishnan) writes:
 >
 >I am not objecting or supporting the contents of these controversial postings.
 >But this divide is curious. Any explanations. Any specific qualities of the
 >air?? :)
 >Rajaraman

	Probably they have more time on their hands...... 
	what with winter and all......
	After all, it ain't Berkeley.

	Prem!
	Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, California
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        My kernel grew heavy, and my disk grew slim
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From: U26043@uicvm.uic.edu (SALIM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: * Hindi Movies * - reviews...
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:38:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92322.113851U26043
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Hi, here are some of the movies I have watched recently.

Yaalgaar         ---- starring Feroz Khan, Manisha Korela
              Time waster.  Songs were so-so.  Don't waste
              your money.
                          *

Sangeet        ------ starring Madhuri Dixit
               It was an o.k movie with too many songs. (some of them were
               good).  See it if you have nothing better to do.
                         ** 1/2

Drohi         ------- starring Danny
              I would recommend this movie to everybody.  A little different
              than the usual Indian movies.  Songs are good too.
                         *** 1/2

  I hope this helps you decide what you want to watch.  If you have any
comments please email.
                                      ------- Salim Lakha
                                          u26043@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:30:27 GMT

In article <77RguB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
> 
>A reply to a message written by the idiot: mkatyal@opie.bgsu.edu
> 
>>Dream on,
>>We Hindu's have kicked your pompous asses before (1984)
> ^^^^^^^^^^                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I'm a Punjabi and 'am very proud to be one.Let me see you guys
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>try to take my Punjab away from em!(YEAH).
> 
> 
>  Thank you for showing on the net how the MAJORITY of India's 
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Hindus feels towards minorities such as Sikhs and Muslims, and then
>they wonder why the Sikhs are fighting for Khalistan!  

	my knowledge of both statistics and logic is very elementary.
can you just explain how you concluded the above (only from whatever
is written in the above article).
 
> 
> 
>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

srini
-- 
Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Organization: University of M"ass"achusetts, Amherst, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:17:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.024925.3556@cirrus.com>, venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
|> In <1414@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
|> 
|> [whole bunch of abuse deleted...of course in fairness to a whole bunch of
|> abuse from some one else]
|> 
|> hmmm...i thought sci couldn't sink further. i was wrong.

	hey dooode! It's like a star-ship (not Enterprise, of course :) )
	stuck in a black-hole and who knows how deep a black-hole is cuz
	no one has ever returned from a BH !!!


|> -- 
|> Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
|> Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
|> For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
|> and wrong.

	rAjAt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Benazir Bhutto's Duppatta Pulled?
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:07:03 GMT


Friends!

   I found the following news posted in soc.culture.pakistan.  Things 
   are getting worse there I guess. In 1989, even the "DRAVIDIAN" party 
   in  Southern India (Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, headed by 
   M.Karunanidhi too has done similar thing to Ms.Jayalalitha in the 
   Tamil Nadu assembly of all the places. Ofcourse that was very 
   anti-Indian act not reflecting Indian traditions).
 
   With due appologies to Shri Omer Usmani ( as I did not have his consent for
   posting his article here at the time of posting it).

             ********************************************

                   Latest news on the March.

 Benazir has been  arrested  and  the  march  has  been  stopped.
Hundreds  of  police  made  roadblocks  and  stopped all incoming
traffic to the Capital. Benazir and her entourage when they tried 
to run  one  of  the blockades were attacked and latthi-charged.

  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening  news.  They  said
that  many  western embassies had requested her to stop the march
calling it foolish.

  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw,  Benazir
had  her  dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she
got into her Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The
police promptly pulled her out and arrested her.

  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should  have  shown
more decency and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.

Omer.........
From: ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani)

                 *********************************

-Indu.
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