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From: rslugg@med.unc.edu (Robert Slugg)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Cambridge.
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:46:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

In the olden days, I liked Shutterbug because they didn't take ads from
the NY schlockhouses, in fact, B&H and Hunts were the only two large
dealers.  Now it seems like all the slime from Pop Photo et al have come
over to Shutterbug.  I wonder what happened to Shutterbugs original policy
of refusing to take ads from and get this, cancelling the subscription, of
advertisers who were deceptive.  I guess somewhere along the line thay
slacked off on their policy, and perhaps credibility.

On the good side, B&H is finally starting a customer database.  When I
phoned in my last order, the guy on the other end said he had to wait for
his terminal to come up.  He asked where I had gotten their number, and I
told him it was about the 50th order I had placed.  I then asked why they
didn't have a customer database, and he said they were just starting one,
and that we were waiting for the server because they had to enter data on
almost all the orders, very few were repeats at this point in time.  Well,
I guess I no longer have to spend 10 minutes on each call giving them all
the info on where I was billed, where I wanted it shipped etc.  With a
place like Albums Inc, I call and give them my work zip code, and in 2
seconds they say, what would you like to order Dr. Slugg, I say one of
this, two of that, etc, and in two days its in my office.  Now there is a
company that can teach others about service.

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: elb%telemark.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Erik Brunvand)
Subject: Rollei 35 LED question
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Utah
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:43:37


I just acquired a Rollei 35 LED from my Grandfather who doesn't use it
anymore. This is a version of Rollei's cute tiny 35mm with the lens
that retracts back into the camera body. This model has some LEDs in
the viewfinder (thus, I suspect, the name). They are red on the left
and right and green in the middle. I put a roll through the camera to
check it out. For the first half of the roll, I could set the shutter
speed and rotate the aperture ring until the green light was lit. I
assume that this means that the exposure is good. However, halfway
through the roll the green stopped lighting up and by changing the
settings all I could get were left red light only or both red lights
lit up at the same time. I changed the battery and checked to make
sure that the lens was out and locked, but it still does the same
thing. Are there any Rollei owners out there who can explain this? Is
this a known problem, or a special signal of some sort, or did the
camera just go on the blink? Thanks.

				-Erik Brunvand
				brunvand@cs.utah.edu
From: kaufman@watson.bms.com (Jon Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: mail order developing companies
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Could anyone tell me the names and addresses of companies that
specialize in mail order developing.  Please also comment on 
price and quality of development.

My email address is:  kaufman@watson.bms.com

Thanks!
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:48:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Canon New F-1, how long will Canon still support?
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.photo

In rec.photo, yen@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Tony Yen) writes:

| I recently bought a Canon New F-1 demo at a local camera show. The reason
| I bought it: it just looks a lot more solid than the new EOS bodies and 
| it serves all my needs except lacking mirror lock-up. My question is:
| how long will Canon still make this camera and its associated FD lenses?
|
| -Tony Yen
|
Canon's stand is that they will not be developing any more new stuff for the
FD range, but will support what is currently out there.  Read between the
lines.  

Me?  I've an A-1 and T-90.  Feeling the same way too.

lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: mac@trantor.harris-atd.com (Mike McDonald)
Subject: Re: photo-developing, specifically nudes
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:23:43 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL

In article <BsuKFn.BG@ecf.toronto.edu>, chang@ecf.toronto.edu (CHANG Rong Fawn Teresa) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug11.001041.4361@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) writes:
|> >I believe that it is illegal to send "pornography" through the mail...
|> >Playboy, as I recall, had trouble with getting their stuff back from
|> 
|> It's also illegal to try to bring any that kind of slides thru the Airport
|> Custom.  Some people successfully did it by using some tricks, which is not
|> a topic to this newgroup however.
|> 

|> Back to some old days, some photofinishing stores especially dedicated
|> for newspaper reporters or so, they always kept good reprints wherever
|> they found out from your negatives.  There is no law which says that it
|> is illegal to do so.  On the other hand, it is possible to re-produce the
|> slides and that involves quite a work.

  Wrong. Eckerd's is once again getting their rear ends sued off because on of their photo monkeys kept copies of some of the pictures. They've already loss one case this year for several million bucks.

  My suggestion: find a small professional lab. That way, you can always reach over the counter and ring the owners neck. (figuratively of course.)

  Mike McDonald				Advanced Technology Dept.	
					Harris Corp.
  Email: mac@trantor.harris-atd.com	M.S. 3A-1912
  Voice: (407) 727-5060			P.O. Box 37
  Fax:   (407) 729-3363			Melbourne, Florida 32902
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: media permanence
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:13:19 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1992Aug22.001341.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>026 or 029 format? My CM-11 card reader is fine thank you. I have a card deck
>from ~1970 that is the ONLY known copy of the disk control software from the
>first PDP-6. If all else fails, you can read the printing at the top of the
>card with your eyes.

IBM 026 and 029 punched the same code--as did the 129, the 024, the
011, and several others.  Reading the top row--besides questions about
the permanence of the ink--assumes that there is *anything* printed on
the top row.  The difference between an 024 and an 026 is that the 026
had a print head on it.  (For that matter--reproducers, and card
punches [1402, for instance] never did print over the 12-zone area.)

	--Hal
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Zone system
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:59:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug20.225950.8394@odin.corp.sgi.com> donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis) writes:
>
>In article <BtAnou.Bw5@nntp-sc.Intel.COM>, rwu@ismdqa.intel.com (Ronnie
>Wu ) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Hi,   Can any one give a short description of what is 
>|> 'zone system' ?  or is that possible ?
>
>The system consists of several principles:

...

>	3) You should be able to measure the brightness of different
>	parts of your subject, since the whole job of making the
>	photograph is translating the various subject brightnesses into
>	the final print densities.  To measure brightnesses accurately,
>	you'll need a spot meter.
		      ^^^^^^^^^^


  I wonder if Ansel Adams had a spot meter in the 40's and 50's.













			
	
  


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From: hsong@ardour.bellcore.com (G. Hugh Song)
Subject: Second puzzle with Rollei 35S, Rewinding
Organization: /f6/hsong/.organization
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:49:12

Oh, well.   The film take-up spool inside this camera does not hold the film
very well.   After 15 shots, I heard a sprocket teeth gnawing(sp?) the
film perforations, and the rewind knob does not turn thereafter.
Obviously, I wanted to rewind the film with the film leader out.
Alas, where is the sprocket release button?  There is something which 
looks like a button on the bottom.   But this thing is not pressed down.
So it is not the button that I am looking for.   Then where is the 
button?

BTW, don't you experience this kind of trouble with your Rollei 35s?
The take-up spool in this camera does not seem to be a good design 
to me.

Thank you.

	Hugh
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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Recommended Slide Film for Portraits
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:44:30 GMT







I hate to disagree, but in my eye the Ecta films all seem to be more blue 
sensative, The best results I get is using Koda- or Veri- films with a
gold umbrella strobe.  The gold umbrella emphisizes the gold skin tones.

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From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Zone system
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Aug 21 1992
Date: 22 Aug 92  01:55:55

On <Aug 21 01:55> donl mathis writes:

 dm> I think he always used the narrowest meter he could get.  I believe
 dm> there were some narrow-angle meters in the early days, though perhaps
 dm> not quite the one-degree wonders that came up later.  I also seem to
 dm> recall that Adams worked with various makers to help them produce
 dm> appropriate equipment, and I think this included meters, as well as
 dm> interesting things like film and paper, and the Polaroid 4x5 system
 dm> (which exists primarily because of his efforts5ere24mnaramama	] to  to
From: jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Me and E6
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:04:44 GMT
Organization: Metran Technology, Tampa, Florida

sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
: It's probably a good idea to displace air from the concentrate bottles
: to prevent oxidation of some of the concentrates (especially the developers).
: Clean glass marbles are really good for this.

It seems like someone mentioned this before, but I'm not sure:  Isn't it
possible to get a tank of relatively inert gas (like Nitrogen) and use it
to flush the air out of the bottle just before closing it?  It seems like
that would work, as long as you don't use Helium and leave the bottle cap
loose :-)

Jay Ts
From: zaidel@muzungu.cis.upenn.edu (Martin J. Zaidel)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Novice with printing problem
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:52:10 GMT

I've just begun learning how to print black-and-white and I've 
run across a puzzling problem that all my experienced photographer 
friends can only scratch their heads at.

I have a shot of a wrought iron grill against a cloudy sky.
When enlarging it, I use a long exposure to burn in the grill
and to bring out the contrast in the clouds.  The problem is
that after processing, the finished print looks as if the 
black of the grill has bled into the surrounding light regions 
of the sky.  As a result, instead of a sharp silhouette, I have
a mushy dark blob.

Any ideas on what's happening and what I can do to avoid it?

-- 
Martin J. Zaidel            | "We were once so close to Heaven
==> zaidel@cis.upenn.edu    |  Peter came out and gave us medals
			    |  Declaring us the nicest of the Damned."
Professional meaning junkie |                - They Might Be Giants
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Nikon FM2
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:58:33 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug21.142505.25013@newstand.syr.edu> asadigh@rodan.acs.syr.edu (sadigh) writes:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Does anyone know when Nikon started making FM2?  Any idea when they are 
>discontinuing it?
>
>Beejan

	As long as I can recall, the FM2 made its debut either in 1980 or 81.
	I remember this since I was considering buying either an FM or an FM2
	when I was in the 11th grade back in Japan.

	They have been making it since that time, upgraded once with 1/250 sync,	but I don't know if they plan to discontinue it.

	I hope they are not.        
		(because I am still using the FM and I want to *upgrade* to 
		 an FM2 now.   :-))


					Tetsuya Nishimura
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: flash recommendations, was: Advice for Buying a Nikon 8008s "Package"
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:27:24
Organization: CSUA/UCB
Distribution: usa
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	<PHR.92Aug13102820@soda.berkeley.edu>
	<1992Aug13.195651.20348@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:56:51 GMT

     >This sounds like good advice.  I have been wanting a compact
     >second flash and considered the SB-23 but decided against it for
     >these reasons--I want to be able to use it on my non-TTL Nikons too.

     i also have both units...and the SB23 does have a full-power
     manual setting for non-TTL applications.

     duane

Yes, I knew about the full-power manual setting (though forgot
to mention it).  But I want to be able to use it in auto mode.
From: honna@cs.concordia.ca (SEGEL honna)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Database of lens information? -- Databases on Photography
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:43:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Aug14.181921.1267@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>mayr@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Herwig Mayr) wrote:
>
>I'm not sure if this is feasible or not - the prospect of including two-
>bath, reversal and XP2 development makes a neat logical schema rather hard
>to imagine.

Since you can already imagine that "a neat logical schema (would be) rather
hard to imagine", I'd say you're half-way to imagining it...







HS/Michael



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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Grainy B&W film?
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:32:32 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) wrote:
> K_LEPA@unhh.unh.edu (Kristen   Lepa) writes:
>> Is there a B&W film out there that is inherently grainy?
> You may want to try some of the east-European films like Orwo and Efke,
> especially slightly push-processed.

Can you be a bit more specific?  Some of these films are very fine in
grain; Efke KB14 (sold by Jessops in the UK) is similar to the late
Panatomic-X, and the slowest of the Orwo films is much the same (I think
both are versions of the same Adox emulsion).  I don't recall seeing a
really fast one.

If Kodak 2475 Recording Film is on the way out, what else does that leave
us?  Ilford HP5 has nothing like the grain structure of 2475; how does Fuji
Neopan 1600 compare?

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Me and E6
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:16:35 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Aug13.145555.5078@cs.UAlberta.CA> rodney@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rodney Gitzel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.224033.2916@odin.corp.sgi.com> donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis) writes:
>>In article <rodney.713551781@kitscoty>, rodney@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rodney Gitzel) writes:
>>
>>|> But that's not _so_ important, anymore.  I just don't have the *time*,
>
>>
>>As to used chemicals -- try to arrange not to have any.
>>It is a *serious* mistake to try and save money by using old
>>chemicals.

Unfortunately, one-shot use really isn't practical without a rotary
processor. If you're using a tank, you'll need to follow the re-use
instructions in the kit.

>Hmmm.  I paid $75 for the one-gallon kit (that's Canajun muney).
> Say I get 15 rolls out, without reuse.  That's $5/roll -- but I'm
> paying $7 for the lab to do it, right now!  Are there other savings
> involved, like maybe reusing the rest of the kit, but just buying
> new first developer?

If you follow the re-use instructions in the kit, you'll be able to
get 33 rolls without replacing the developers - that's less than $2.30/roll.
I don't know how much the developer concentrates cost in Canada - if it's
$15, then you'll be able to do 66 rolls for $90 - that's $1.36/roll.

>>When I want clean chemistry, I want clean chemistry.
>
>Agreed.  There's no point putting all that time and money into
> getting the images, only to give them just half-decent processing.

If you follow the re-use instructions for two kits, you'll get 132 rolls
developed for $180, instead of the $924 you'd pay to have someone else
do it. That's a saving of $744 - you should be able to buy a CPE2+ and 
tanks for that...then you'll be able to *afford* to follow donl's advice ;-).

Your current photofinisher (even if it's a custom lab) is almost certainly
re-using solutions (following Kodak's replenishment advice) - you won't
do any worse (if you're careful) and you may very well do better.

Steve
From: stoppani@ninja.zso.dec.com (Pete Stoppani)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Sigma 600mm f/8 Reflex on AF cameras?
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:21:33 GMT
Reply-To: stoppani@ninja.zso.dec.com (Pete Stoppani)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering



Has anyone used Sigma's 600mm reflex lens with an AF camera?
What limitations are there in addition to the fixed aperature and
manual focus?  Does the camera's AF sensor still work? In other words,
does that 'in focus' indicator light up when the picture is in focus?

Also, how well does it perform?

I'd especially like to here from any Canon EOS
users that have used this lens.  I'm thinking about 
getting one for my Elan.

Thanks.

--
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|  DECwest Engineering   | stoppani@decwet.enet.dec.com              |
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Airshows
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:28:02 GMT

In article <92224.150105U40348@uicvm.uic.edu>, Jay Lorenzana <U40348@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
...
> By the way, I did meter an A-10 on the ground and got: 1/250 f/5.6
> with my 400 asa and polarizer.
> 
Note, no sky. Don't forget that nearly all your shots are of shadowed portions
of the aircraft. That is why fast teles and motor drives are all the go for
these events.

You may see if you can get some of the Ektachrome tracking film. MS was one I
remember from years ago. There was at least one in the Kodak Pro Photo catalogue
this year. It may only be avail in bulk ( 36 exp cassetes don't last long in
high speed tracking cameras! ) but if you can get 4 or 5 of you together, its
only 4-5 rolls each. 

~Paul

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From: mankola@thor.ece.uc.edu (Manishkumar Ankola)
Subject: Pentax z-105 battery problems
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:16:47 GMT


Hi!

I have a PENTAX Z-105 (Auto focus, 35-105mm auto zoom) camera. I have been
using it for quite some time, but then I think I have a battery problem.
Either its being drained away (leaking) or something is wrong in my camera.
A new pair of batteries (LCR 20, so something like that, I dont quite rem
it), lasts for at the most 4-5 months or 4 rolls. It strange, for the 
manual that came with the camera says, a new set of batteries last for
atleast 30 rolls of film.

Does annyone have similar problems? Or is it I am at the wrong, somewhere?
Would removing the batteris from the camera when not in use, prolog the battery
life?? Is there some ways, to increase battery life??

--------
 Manishkumar Ankola			- mankola@thor.ece.uc.edu
 Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engg.   - mankola@uceng.uc.edu
 University of Cincinnati		- ankolamb@ucunix.san.uc.edu
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 Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engg.   - mankola@uceng.uc.edu
 University of Cincinnati		- ankolamb@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: polycarbonate camera bodies
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:48:40 GMT
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

*"Canon EOS-1 is heavier than a Nikon F-4 even though the latter is reputed
* to contain more metal."
* Robert
 
Check your facts. The F4 weighs on the order of at least a pound more than the
EOS-1.
 
Andre
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: gsk@khaki.asd.sgi.com (George S. Kong)
Subject: media permanence
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:22:04 GMT

why are we arguing about permanence of the media itself?

with digital media, it doesn't really matter how permanent
individual copies are, because you can copy digital data
without losing information. you can "refresh" your data by
copying onto fresh media periodically. you can also store
multiple copies in different geographic locations, to guard
against theft and natural disasters.

thus, the information can be made as permanent as you like.
the permanence of the physical media only determines how
much copying you have to do. this is not true of other media.

isn't this obvious?

George S. Kong,  Silicon Graphics, Inc.,  (415)390-3281  gsk@sgi.com



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From: dees@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees)
Subject: Re: Grainy B&W film?
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Reply-To: dees@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees)
Organization: Motorola MOS Telecom
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.164047.21429@newshost.unh.edu>, K_LEPA@unhh.unh.edu 
(Kristen   Lepa) writes:
> 
> Is there a B&W film out there that is inherently grainy?  I know it
> would help if I got a very fast film, but I like to work with slower
> speeds.  When I had access to a darkroom, I just shook it up a lot, 
> and surprise! it came out just perfect!  Now I have to depend on a (ugh)
> lab.  Too bad the only thing I use B&W for is _nudes_...

i shot some of the tmax p3200 outdoors one day......nice pictures with
grain.. it was also a little fast. f22 and as fast as my a-1 shutter
would go and it was still slightly over-exposed.

> 
> Has anybody else noticed that B&Ws developed at labs seem to be a little
> less than acceptable quality?  I always see too much contrast on what I
> want greyer and too little contrast on what I want basically black and 
white.
> Can I ask them for "custom" setting do you think?

the darkroom i take all of my printing to has 2 basic contrasts - one
for reproduction (newspapers etc, low contrast, lots of grey) and
exhibition (for display, ligher contast with black blacks and whit whites.

live from Austin, Texas (live music capitol of the world)
randy
dees@sid.sps.mot.com


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