HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: misra@emily.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: all asians want marriage ?
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:53:07 GMT

In article <634@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
|> 
|> Do all asians date with the goal of getting married ?
	
	No.

|> 
|> What percent of males and what percent of females ?

	Males : 63.7

	Females : 74.2

	Bye Bye

	Sanjay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kaberi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chakrabarty kaberi)
Subject: categorization of Asian Americans
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:23:06 GMT
Keywords: Indian, racism 




>In article <BywsAz.LI7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, you write...
>> I have just joined the network, but in glancing at the names of those who
>> post articles, I have noticed a somewhat disturbing continuation of the 
>> trend to categorize Asian-Americans as those whose families originate 
>> in northern or eastern Asia.  I don't know how many times I've joined or
>> considered joining a group with the name"Asian-American" only to find there
>> is no one of Indian background in it. Of course, all of us are Asian-
>> Americans, but somehow those of us who come from somewhere near southern
>> Asia frequently get filtered out.  Does anyone have an explanation for this
>> trend or how it originated?
 
 I then received this e-mail message:

>Yeah..its called racism within colored peoples.
>Thanks for raising that points..I wonder what these guys will say.

>I would have liked to post this for everyone to see..unfortunately 
>this news program system is not very user-friendly.

>Ashish -- I too have joined Asian-American organizations..even
>          those that did have Indians..Indian cultural activities
>          were rarely given a damn..perhaps in an Asian/Pacific
>          Islander fashion show..they may have one lady wearing a 
>          sari if you are lucky..I should have mentioned Pacific
>          Islanders too ( no I am not filtering them out)
>b777zcb@utarlg.uta.edu 

I personally did no mean to suggest that our lack of representation was 
deliberate...exactly. However, I do perceive that not all of the reaction 
I've gotten seems to take this issue seriously. I have talked with several
people who have responded in the fashion typical of some Caucasians accused
of racism, that is, "I haven't noticed that. You're probably imagining it.'
with the implication that even if it is true, it's not very important. I'm
not suggesting that we of southern Asian background start a revolution
(actually I would much prefer not having to make such distinctions), only 
that it might be helpful to bring it to the attention of the general Asian-
American populace.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11020 alt.discrimination:5399
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Asian cliques.  Why?
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:10:07 GMT
Organization: Meta - Software

In article <1992Dec18.065201.8195@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>The following is a fairly common attitude among those people who
>are Chinese-cu (i.e. people who identify with Chinese culture
>but who are not necessarily ethnically Chinese).
>
>In article <1992Dec17.025126.22261@hspice.portal.com>
>georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>>     At my last employer, there was a very high level manager of a particular
>>ethnicity (omitted because it's irrelevant).  In his projects, there was a
>
>Mr. Wu does not identify this ethnicity, leaving it omitted, but he
>does indentify one racial group--Whites--in his workplace.  Interesting.

     I omitted this fact because it really is irrelevant.  For your twisted
mind, however, I will say the person was not Chinese or Korean.  I identify
whites because "they" never seem to notice when a manager hires mostly whites,
but there's grumbling the minute a member of minority XXX hires other XXX's.

>>very unusual number of people of the same ethnicity.  I (correctly, I think)
>>attributed this to an overlap between his social and professional circles.
>>Of course, there was some grumbling from certain whites in the company, just
>>as there were about a similar occurance in another department.
>>     Here at Meta, we're trying to fill a position with a particular set of
>>qualifications.  (If you're a headhunter, sorry, we don't need your services.)
>>I started calling people who I know are qualified, especially those who I know
>>are also looking to leave my old employer.  This means an unusual fraction of
>>candidates I refer will be Asian or Asian-American.  It's the same thing.  My
>>social circles include alot of professional aquaintances.  My social circles
>>include alot of Asian-Americans.
>>
>>     Sounds alot like the old boy network in reverse now, doesn't it?
>
>Interesting standard.  According to many Chinese-cu people, the "old
>boy network" is bad if that network is White but is good if that
>network is full of non-Whites--specifically Chinese-ge.  Interesting.

     Except the white old boy network continues a historical racial imbalance,
whereas my "aquaintance network" might bring more minorities on board.  I guess
it call comes down to whether you support affirmative action.  While there are
some minorities here, the place seems so whitebread after my last two places of
employment.  And to head off questions as to why I don't seek out other
minorities, I'm not doing the hiring.  I'm just referring people I know, people
who I know happen to be qualified.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Blond Men and Asian Females ( was Re: Asian males aren't)
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec4.173451.1653@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> IMHO, the reason that there are more AFWMs than AMWFs is because there
|> |> aren't that many WFs that like AMs NOT because there are TOO MANY
|> |> ...etc..

I would have to agree. I also think there is another reason. It is still more
common for the male to make the first move in asking someone out than the
female (although I like to see it go to 50-50). Because the white male asks the
asian female out then the AF knows that he is interested and therefore does 
not have to worry about the "WM maybe not attracted to AFs" thing. I have 
dated/seen WF's during my lifehood and I have to say that I would have been
on 10 times the dates if I knew that person dated AMs. There are instances 
where I would have liked to ask but never did. If she was Asian then I know
I would have.

-- 
Richard Park	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)
 Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:10:00 GMT

Oh yeah!  I forgot to add this to my previous follow up to this thread:

In relation to the clique of HK students, there are those of us who 
grew up in the US and were in the same classes, but we weren't all
in a clique of our own.  Sure some of us hung out together every so 
often, but not in hordes.  And some of us hung out with other non-
Asians in other cliques.  I gues it's all a matter of what your 
interests were.  If you were an aero-mech you hung out with other 
aero-mechs, likewise with the business majors and science majors.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Reply-To: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.210306.10986@nas.nasa.gov>,
choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
> In article <1gaoreINN919@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defenso libertatis) writes:
> >In article r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(tony c) writes:
> >> Could this have somthing to do with (RACEism) in America?
> >> 
> >> ....Because black men were slaves to white men?
> >> 
> >> ....Because black men have less opportunites to obtain wealth in
Amerikkka? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Suggestions?          
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks!                                  Tony L. Cogdell
> >
> >Tony,
> >
> >Funny you should ask that question too! I also never seem
> >to get a reak answer when I ask certain people why they date
> >this or that group. Did you read my post (kinda long I admit)
> >number 17395?
> >
> >In it I spoke about a question I asked a certain asian females:
> >
> >"Was race EVER a factor in your decision to date a white guy? 
> >If not, why didn't you date a black guy or Latino if race
> >was not really an issue?"
> 
> But many of us did.  Right, ladies?  Why didn't we discuss this?  Actually,
> Clare Chu did.  The rest of probably refrained because the subject was AMCF 
> vs AFCM. 
> 
> diana

Well, Diana, what's YOUR answer?  (be truthful, now!)
Why is it that THIS time you let someone ELSE do the talking for
you, but no other?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kaberi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chakrabarty kaberi)
Subject: categorization of Asian Americans
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:50:25 GMT
Keywords: Indians, racism

>Nobody has been preventing southern Asians from posting.

(Or something like that. I'm still trying to figure out how to quote other
postings.)

Perhaps not directly, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that other southern
Asian Americans had responses similar to mine. When I first subscribed to this
group, I almost unsubscribed because I could see from the posting that a  very
large majority  of those that posted were males of Eastern ASian descent (par-
ticularly those of Chinese descent).  Originally, it occured to me that perhaps
this news group did not really have anything in common with my interests (a
fact which has been partially confirmed by the enormous amount of space taken
up by people complaining about how certain people won't go out with them). I
finally decided that it couldn't hurt too much to bring up my concerns ( a fact
which, in all fairness, has also been at least partially confirmed by some mo- 
derately positive responses I got.)  Nobody wants to enter a conversation if
they think the people participating have no interest in their opinions.  It
occurs to me that if there were a way to encourage those of southern Asian
background to communicate, the whole newsgroup might benefit from a wider range
of opinions.

						Kaberi Chakrabarty
						kaberi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
						  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Define "Asian"
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:08:02 GMT

Does Asian mean anyone living in Asia?

Is a South Asian, "Asian"?  How about people from the Eastern Soviet 
Union (what was known, as.  The Asia portion of the former USSR)?  What
about Middle Easterners?  Aren't they Asian too?

Or does Asian have something to do with race/ethnicity?  Meaning that
there may be some who do, technically speaking, live in Asia, but are
not considered "Asian."  Which would also mean that possibly, the people
of Hawaii could be considered Asian.

Just wondering since no formal definition of what we commonly refer to as 
"Asian" has been explained in detail.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.invest
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Subject: Re: HOW TO GET THE INFAMOUS 'J.APAN-USA' ARTICLE
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:21:04 GMT

Many many people have asked how to get the famous Japan article (which
by the way, I did not write) that everyone is talking about. 

The new 2nd edition is at anonymous FTP site: (login: anonymous)

monu6.cc.monash.edu.au    in directory: pub/nihongo    as: japanyes

or you can write me at: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
and I will send you a copy. If you'd like to be on the mailing list that 
sends out articles like this, also let me know & I'll add you.

Thank you & sorry for the disturbance
Andre






















Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:19:08 GMT

In article <lj1sl8INNk7@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me) writes:
> [about propensity of Yakuza members to have tatoos]
Thats the way I understand it too. Also I heard that if you even
have a small tatoo, its enough to get you barred from public baths
in Japan. Because for obvious reasons they don't want their patrons
run screaming into the streets. :)

>Now time out for a little drooling on my part (indulge me) - I find the
>Japanese full-body tattoos to be incredibly erotic. If anybody saw the
Hmmm interesting, care to elaborate? ;) :)

>movie "Showdown in Little Tokyo" with Brandon Lee and Dolph Lundgren 
>(affectionately known as Dunk Lunkhead), the Japanese Yakuzas all had
>full-body tattoos. Wow and woW.
Actually, Dolph's real name is, let me get out the latest "Black Belt"
magazine <shuffle shuffle>, "Hans Lundgren", and has the European (Swedish)
equivalent of a Master's degree in Chemical Engineering.

But, if you like Brandon Lee in "showdown" YOU HAVE to watch "Rapid Fire".
Easily one of the best MA movies in recent years.

RT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wong@cs.uiuc.edu (Angeline)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:00:07 GMT

daniel@asterix.uchicago.edu (Daniel Fu) writes:

>In <berthiau.724358901@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)  Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
>...
>>Hong Kong students, black students, etc.  It's also interesting to
>>note that the Hong Kong students seem to really keep to themselves
>>and not really associate a whole lot with the other students (at 
>>least at BU's College of Engineering I saw this).  But I got to know
>>people from most cliques.

>What I want to know is: why are they all EE (electrical engineers)? :)
>Some EE courses I took consisted of at least 75% Asian (American)
>students.  Man did it feel weird to be in a majority!

	Ha ha!  It is kind of strange, isn't it?  I think it contributes to 
	the fact that asians (specifically parents), place a strong emphasis
	on technical subjects, like math, physics, etc.  And speaking of
	Hong Kong people specifically, I find a lot of them are business
	(accounting) majors.
	
@angi


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From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian cliques.  Why?
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:30:40 GMT

In article <101356@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Shiau) writes:
>I don't belong to one, but I see them all over the campus.
>
>Why do these Asian cliques exist?  I've see them doing _everything_ together.
>I've heard one person say he needed to go to the bathroom, and _everyone_
>goes with them.  
>
>I'm not saying that people can't have most of their be of the same -ge and/or
>-cu background, but from my experience, these cliques are _very_ isolationist.
>
>This phenomena is not limited to Asians, and can be found among
>African-Americans too.
>
>Why?  Justify them to me please.

I do not believe they are isolationists.  People socialize with people
they feel comfortable with.  Can you fault them for that?  Everyone
discriminates this way.  The group I socialized with in college
was all Asian except for
1.5 people (me 0.5, one Spanish (from Spain) 1.0).  I was the only
one born in the US.  We did have a pretty good mix of Asian
nationalities: Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese from Singapore,
Hong Kong, Taiwan, China and Vietnam.

I cannot imagine any of us being comfortable with the mainstream
Caucasian crowd and not because of race.  None of us cared to get
stoned, scream, behave like a jerk and think we are cute because of
rude and crude behavior.  I am not saying that all Euro-Americans
do this but many do and it makes us uncomfortable => we do not
socialize with such people.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: AA scientists and the model minority myth was Re: Political Power
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:15:19 GMT

>achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>
>>(Can't quote on this editor)
>
>>Fall 1990 composition of UC Berkeley by Gender and Ethnicity:
>
>>Asian Pacific American
>>Undergraduate men: 15.4 %
>>            women: 13.1 %
>>Graduate men: 6.7 %
>>       women: 6.1 %
>
>>Doctoral candidates men: 4.8 %
>>                  women: 3.1 %
>
>>How can these patterns be explained?

The numbers are fairly consistent if one groups Asian-Asians with
Asian-Americans.  Then it might be about 20% across the board.
Most science and engineering departments are majority international
students at elite schools.  Furthermore, the majority of Asian-Asians
stay and become Asian-Americans.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques.  Why?
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.164845.8318@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <1271@xlnt.COM> david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson) writes:

>>People socialize with people
>>they feel comfortable with.  Can you fault them for that?  Everyone
>>discriminates this way.
>>I cannot imagine any of us being comfortable with the mainstream
>>Caucasian crowd and not because of race.  None of us cared to get
>>stoned, scream, behave like a jerk and think we are cute because of
>>rude and crude behavior.  I am not saying that all Euro-Americans
>>do this but many do and it makes us uncomfortable => we do not
>>socialize with such people.
>
>	Hmmmm.....so do you think there's a carryover from this to hiring
>practices? Say, in corporate management? Or political appointments....

     At my last employer, there was a very high level manager of a particular
ethnicity (omitted because it's irrelevant).  In his projects, there was a
very unusual number of people of the same ethnicity.  I (correctly, I think)
attributed this to an overlap between his social and professional circles.
Of course, there was some grumbling from certain whites in the company, just
as there were about a similar occurance in another department.

     Here at Meta, we're trying to fill a position with a particular set of
qualifications.  (If you're a headhunter, sorry, we don't need your services.)
I started calling people who I know are qualified, especially those who I know
are also looking to leave my old employer.  This means an unusual fraction of
candidates I refer will be Asian or Asian-American.  It's the same thing.  My
social circles include alot of professional aquaintances.  My social circles
include alot of Asian-Americans.

     Sounds alot like the old boy network in reverse now, doesn't it?

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:12:41 GMT

achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

>What do you bet that when President-elect Clinton gets through with
>making his Cabinet "look like America," there will be African-Americans
>and Hispanics, but no Asian-Americans in it?

But you've to remember that traditionally, Asian Americans (ethnic Chinese,
in particular) are not interested in politics ... AA parents naturally want 
their children to be doctors, engineerers, scientists or business-people
... but not politicians ...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: categorization of Asian Americans
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:59:57 GMT

In article H9J@news.cso.uiuc.edu, kaberi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chakrabarty kaberi) writes:
It
>|occurs to me that if there were a way to encourage those of southern Asian
>|background to communicate, the whole newsgroup might benefit from a wider range
>|of opinions.
>|
>|						Kaberi Chakrabarty
>|						kaberi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>|						  
>|

Well Kaberi, here is an invitation.  Post something that concerns you and
hopefully people will start to respond.  I hope, intelligently, but chances
are it will be a mix of flames, distortions, and sarcasm.  You sure you want into 
these discussions?  8^) 8^) 8^)

BTW, how is the old U of I?  Is it still Pop's for pizza, or it's nothing at all?

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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:13:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1gcfuoINN9hn@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) writes:
>
>There is no "over-representation" of Oriental-Americans in the sciences.
>If anything, it is amazing that out of the great (relatively) numbers
>of Oriental-Americans in US Colleges at the undergraduate level so few
>(relatively) reach scientific posts after College.
>-- 
>Angel Puerta
>puerta@camis.stanford.edu


Hahahaha, methinks you really sucked on your SAT math, and never took a
science/math class in college

The ONLY Asian-American I know that's NOT in science/engineering is a
Korean guy in Crimeology (spelling?)
So tell me, where do Asian Americans go after graduation??
(besides flooding the American graduate schools)

---
NOT Ms. Wei
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american