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From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: Re: Some questions about OS/2......
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.125822.17012@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.023800.67016@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>|> 
>|> 7) Do Dos boxes support UMB?
>
>UMB?

Upper Memory Blocks.  Yes it sure does, and you can load DOS and all
your TSS, drivers etc. into that high memory.  All virtualized in a DOS
box.  Pretty swift!  And if you set it up right, each dos box can have
its own autoexec.bat file!  Very very handy.  I haven't done it yet but
I will be experimenting with it.

>|> 
>|> 17) Dos games work? [TOP PRIORITY :-) ]
>
>Yes

Most definately.

>
>|> 20) Manuals????? REAL ONES I MEAN. Not online ones. I hate reading manuals
>|> from the screen!
>
>Minimal.  I'm sure there are lots of "How to" books.

The command reference is available from IBM for 37.50. But I bought an
EXCELLENT book from Qume called "Using OS/2" which, in my opinion, is on
par with the stelar book "Windows 3.0 Secrets".  It has lots of tips and
tricks and fully explains every command in the config.sys file.
Extremely handy for debugging your setup.

>
>|> 21) Any plans for icon name wrapping like in 3.1??? I guess they should since
>|> 3.1 compatibility is coming.
>
>What's this?

It's in there!  You can have icon names on many lines.  Like this:


			-----
		       |     |
		       |     |
			~~~~~
			This
			 is
			 MY
		       Program

You just edit it by holding the ALT key and selecting the icon text.

Reading all the stuff HPFS does, I think I might just backup and restore
this weekend to an HPFS drive.  I want to know, though, on day to day
applications, is it really that much faster than cached SuperFAT to make
it worth the effort on a 386sx/20 with 8mb ram and an 80mb hard disk?

	-Phil
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:13:42 EDT
From: Dan Kehn <KEHN@CARVM3.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject: My OS/2 GA Won't Install!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc


In <matt.10@bss1.umd.edu> Matthew Piermarini writes:
>Help!
>
>  I finally get a copy of GA and it won't get past disk 1 during the install.
>It fails with a FDISK error after displaying the Logo.  The INSTALL.LOG file
>looks like:
>
>Model=FC
>Submodel=01
>Non-Abios Machine
>Bus Architecutre=|0|
>Disk Type=|0|
>FDISK Unsuccessful
>
>I am installing it on a 386 AMI bios clone, with 2 95meg RLL Drives
>(WD1006SRV2 Rll Controller).   I don't think it is a hardware problem
>because I have been using these drives for a while with DOS 5, AND IT WORKED
>FINE USING THE .304 BETA!  Please help.
>
>Matt Piermarini
>Matt@bss1.umd.edu
>

This is a SWAG, but try booting the install diskette, inserting disk 1, then
press Esc to get to the command line.  Run FDISK from there (I think it
is on disk 1).  Do your partitioning, let the system reboot, then start
installing again.

I only suggest the above because I have seen FDISK fail when invoked by
the install program, yet work when invoked directly from a command prompt.

Dan Kehn
#include <stddisc.h>
From: mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: I want mine, NOW ! (was: Yawn!!!!  Boring....)
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:39:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Charles Marshall) writes:
 >
 > Unfortunately we could not get upgrades at seminar.  I was very 
 > disappointed finding out that I would have to wait.  Oh well...
 >

Hmm, join the club. Sometimes I wish IBM would take some of those
free shrink-wrap GA copies and give them to us loyal hardcore 
1.x veteran users who's been sticking with OS/2 for years now.
<grin> Maybe each local office should be allowed to make electronic
copies of the GA code, and distribute them to users within the area.

I went to a local computer store today (CompUSA) and they had 
endless stacks of Windows 3.1. From the two hours I was there,
I could see numerous people buying 3.1 upgrades like peanuts.
Several of the salespeople there didn't even know what advantages
OS/2 has over Windows 3.1. To them, it's just another Windows 
clone. And to think that CompUSA is one of the nations bigger
computer store chains...

It was so clear to me that IBM managed to flub the marketing
of such a great product, again.

I still have faith, though !!! GO IBM !!!

-Ade.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:03:00 -0400 
From: Jeffrey Michael Gerber <jg3s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 800x600x16

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os2.misc: 12-Apr-92 800x600x16 by Jeffrey
M. Gerber@andrew 
> Is SVGA 800x600x16 supported in OS/2?  Windows 3.1 (uh, did I say that?)
> has a universal 800x600x16 driver that works with "any" SVGA card.  I
> have a Paridise compatible card and from what I've seen on this BBoard,
> it looks like you can not do more than 320x200x256 (standard VGA)
                                         ^^^^^^^
> without a driver from the card manufacturer.  And since Paridise thinks
> OS/2 is dead, I don't see them coming out with one soon.  
>  
> If there is a universal 800x600x16 driver with OS/2, does it do seemless
> Windows?  


Err, sorry... I meant "can not do more than 640x480."

Basically I'm asking "is there any way that I can run the WPS (even w/o
seemless Windows) at 800x600x16 (or better?) with a Paridise compatible
chip set?  And, like I said, Windoze 3.1 uses the "universal SVGA
800x600x16" driver, so chip set shouldn't matter.

Thanks,

Jeff

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Two Questions?
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 06:32:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

B306492@vmtecqro.qro.itesm.mx (Luis Humberto Morin Vergara) writes:
: I have two questions.
: But first wome background.
: I have a Hp 386sx 16mhz with 5 mb   of memory and an old 40 mb hard disk
: So I have to change my hardrive.
: now the questions.
:
: 1.- As I am going to change Hard drive and controles .
:     Could some one recommend a combination of hard drive and controler.
:     I would also like to hear comments about a  hardcard?

Don't think about *anything* else but SCSI.  Every preceeding technology
is obsolete.  If you had a controler with a spare radial you might want
to think of skimping but if you are buying a controller too, you get 
expandability to tapes, CD-roms, Magneto-optical, even displays and fast
printers without any more adapters. I have seen the future, and it is SCSI.

:  
: 2.- I dont have a math coprocesor, how much would it improve the
:     performance adding the coprocesor?
:  

Unless the font manager uses it, only applications will be affected. The
operating system doesn't use it.  Anybody know about the font renderer?

:  
: Finaly anyother suggestion I can only expend about 1000 dollars.
: Any help is appreciated.
:

It is not good net form to beg. :-)

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: Re: GA install problems
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:57:02 GMT

Ted Richards writes:

>  7. Why are the labels on the 3.5" diskettes upside-down???

You mean the printing is on the disk side of the label and the adhesive
is face up?  :)

Please, no!  This question has the potential for starting a flame war
as bad as the famous Ann Landers "Should the loose end of the toilet
paper hang from the front or the rear of the roll?" debacle!

About half of my commercially labeled disks are done one way, the other
half are done the other way.  I do have a preference, however, but have
no idea whether it corresponds to your up or your down, nor do I care
to define my preference, for fear of throwing more fuel on this fire.

Save bandwidth.  Drop the topic.  A thousand generators will thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: Getting OS/2 (corporate style)
Keywords: OS2, OS/2, purchase orders
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:46:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.004700.10950@Armstrong.EDU> engelke@Armstrong.EDU writes:
>
>I don't know how this would work for federal purchase orders, but IBM told
>me that you will not be able to buy OS/2 from dealers for $49.  Instead,
>you can buy it for $79, and get a $30 rebate from IBM when you send them
>your proof of ownership of Windows (apparently, there will be a rebate
>coupon on the package).  What the feds will think of this approach, I 
>can't say.
>
How about 'buy it for full price and get a full price rebate
from IBM if you send them your proof of license?'


Wen-Chun Ni

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: More "buglets"
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:48:33 GMT

A couple other small bugs me and a friend have run into.  If any
IBMer out there knows where I should be emailing these bugs to,
please tell me.  I tend to be rather good at finding bugs.

Tear out a folder from the templates.  Click MB2 to bring up the
menu and click on 'Create Shadow...'.  When that menu comes up,
immediately close it by double clicking on the upper left corner.
Now drag the folder to the shredder.  You get a do-not-enter sign.
You cannot delete the folder until you reboot.

Open the Settings Notebook on a Drives object.  Go to Menu.  In
the upper window, select '~Open'.  The 'Settings..." button is
now available, click on it.  You get the 'Menu Settings' window.
Look in the 'Default Action' drop box.  If you change this to
Icon, Tree, or Detail, it really does change the default setting
for when you double click on the drives object.  But the 'Default
Action' edit box does not reflect this, it always says '~Icon view'.
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: reynaldo@athena.mit.edu (Rey Villarreal)
Subject: 800x600x256 on GA?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:02:15 GMT

Can you run a full screen windows session under OS/2 Ga. IF so 
how. I have set SVGA on but don't know how to install the drivers.
Help.!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Terry Jones)
Subject: Canadian IBM BBS numbers
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:05:59 GMT

Some people requested the Canadian IBM BBS numbers.
In toronto 2400 baud is (416) 946-4255 while 9600 baud is 946-4244
In Vancouver 2400 baud is (604) 664-6466 while 9600 baud is 664-6464
In Montreal 2400 baud is (the only number I have listed) (514) 938-3022

tj
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: karu@nevada.edu (N.H.A. KARUNARANTE)
Subject: Re: Help with Bootmanager
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:09:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.031000.8749@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith) writes:
>> pebly@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>>>
>>>   I'm starting from a blank unpartitioned drive, and what i'd like to
>>>end up with is a bootable fat partition, and a bootable hpfs, but, i'd
>>>like to be able to see the fat under GA.
>>
>>I think the configuration you are looking for is as follows:
>>
>>  Boot Manager partition
>>  Primary partition (C: - FAT)
>>  Extended logical partition (D: - HPFS)
>>
>>In this configuration, you can put DOS and/or OS/2 1.3 or 2.0 on the C:
>>FAT primary partition and put OS/2 2.0 on the D: HPFS partition.
>
>This is exactly what I want.  But will the FAT partition be accessible
>under OS/2 2.0 after I boot OS/2 from the D: drive?
>
>   Steve Smith       | __|__ |    " #*&<-[89s]*(k#$@-_=//a2$]'+=.(2_&*%>,,@
><smsmith@magnus.acs. |   |   |      {7%*@,..":27g)-=,#*:.#,/6&1*.4-,l@#9:-) "
>  ohio-state.edu>    |   |   | 
>  BTW, WYSInaWYG     |   |   |                           --witty.saying.ARC

Yes, it can access your FAT partition.
I have mine configured the same way, except I have DOS5/WIN31 and
OS/2 1.3 installed with dual boot on my C: FAT primary partition.
I have it this way because my 5 year old son plays his games under
DOS and turns off the computer when he finishes. This way all my files
on the HPFS D: partition are safe.
Also, I use an IRWIN Accutrak tape drive with PM software under OS/2
1.3 to backup my HD.


I have the best of all four worlds (DOS, WIN31, OS/2 1.3, and OS/2 2.0).
Karu.

karu@nevada.edu
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: general questions regarding OS/2
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:24:09 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

au141@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Amber M. Spillers) writes:
>"ill behaved dos programs": I currently run QEMM 6.02 and DESQview 2.42
>and there are many programs (mostly games) that simply will ot run
>properly under DESQview.  also I have yet to find a program which can
>effectevly use the mouse under DESQview (it gets caught in the middle of
>and Xor and I get ghost mouse cursors all over the place).  if I run
>OS/2 will i have these problems?  will I be able to dust off my rodent
>and put it back in active service again?

I've been running dozens of programs that choke DesqView under OS/2.
My mouse works fine, no ghost cursors (and I've had that under DV as well).

>avalibility of OS/2 shareware: where is it? 

hobbes.nmsu.edu


>multitasking: will OS/2 be able to inetrupt dos DURING an interupt? if
>so congradulations to IBM I am sold.  if not I guess I will still have
>to stop oter processes to format a disk in less than 5 minutes. (of
>course this applies to much more than just formatting disks)

Surprise - start downloading, or something else intensive, than go to
format a disk (or two).  No more slowdown than if you were doing
something on the hard drive!

>boot disks:  do they exist?  can an OS/2 kernel fit on a HD disk?
>(windows sure won't)

Only the two that come with it (Install and System Disk 1 together
form a bootable system with CLI).

>OS/2 programming: if this is my new operating system I will have to
>learn how to program it.  what do I need?  it is as simple as dos and I
>just find a compiler and I can do everything I need from there or do I
>need development kits and such. (seeing as how I am a student I would
>appreciate a inexpensive solution here)

Watcom makes a 32-bit C compiler for OS/2.  Or you can use Microsoft C
6.0 for making 16-bit apps (gag).  Borland is coming out with a 32-bit
C compiler.


-- 
If the opposite of "pro" is "con", then what's the opposite of "progress"?
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz)
Subject: WinOS2 Problem
Reply-To: swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:49:51 GMT


	I was using Microsoft Word for Windows 2.0 when a strange thing  
happened.  I was using the equation editor and writing some equations.  I  
went to cut and past some lines and I got a message from OS2 saying so and  
so.  No biggie.  It does this anytime I try to cut things from Windows  
apps that are like Windows specific.  Fine it gives me a choice to go on  
so I do.  Now it locks up on me.  I am running in a Windows WinOS2 session  
so I figure I can either close the app or shut down.  It totally locked  
the system and I had to reboot.  Now whenever I go into a Windows  
application either full screen or windowed I get an error.  Most apps will  
load fine but when I try to exit or save something I get this error:

	PROGRAM NAME has caused an error in WinOS2.  GP Fault in Module
	GDI.exe at 0001:16EA.  Press OK to continue...

	How can I fix this problem without reinstalling OS2?  Is there a  
way I can just reinstall the windows stuff???  It there also a way to tell  
OS2 to ignore a cut or copy command done in a Windows app???  Any info is  
mucho appreciated.

			Jeff Swartz
From: jstewart@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 2.0 faster than Windows??
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:18:47 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <92Apr12.192842edt.144354@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu>, jinli@dgp.toronto.edu (Jin Li) writes:
> merrill@cs.arizona.edu (Darren Merrill) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Apr12.175705.10643@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>>[ benchmarks deleted ]
>>>WINOS2 tests run on: PS/2 Model 80 16MHz w/ 80387; IBM VGA; 8 MB memory
>>>Win3.1 tests run on: 386/40; Tseng ET4000 VGA (640x480x16); 8 MB memory
> 
>>You have got to be kidding!  You put a 386 16MHz with IBM VGA up against
>>a 386-40 with ET4000?  Don't you think this test is a little biased?  I
>>am surprised OS/2 did so well considering the large differential in 
>>hardware.  Come on, let's compare apples to apples - put OS/2 on the 386/40
>>and *then* do some tests.
> 
> I am not particularly concerned with the CPU, but the peripherals and setup.
> 
> PS/2 MCA vs 386 ISA;
> Math co-processor vs none;(since Windows is designed for device indep, I would
>                            think it uses floating point calculation for device
>                            coordinates.  Think about why QuickDraw on the Mac
>                            is so fast, because it limits to +/-32k for screen
>                            coordinates and uses integer only)
> different VGA card;(maybe)
> RAM speed the same?;
> disk speed and file structure;
> RAM/disk cache;
> 
> It might turn out that the PS/2 is actually a faster machine overall!
> 
> Just a few thoughts, no comment on the benchmark results.
> 
> 
> --
> Jin Li                               (416) 978-6619  //  Gin & Tonic mix well
> Dynamic Graphics Project, Dept. of Computer Science  \\
> University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada   M5S 1A1     //
> jinli@dgp.utoronto.ca          uunet!utai!dgp!jinli  \\    No bugs, no bucks

	In a non-co-processed video setup the cpu has more to do with video
performance than anything.

						J. S.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: vandendo@qucis.queensu.ca (Christian Vandendorpe)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Release: First Impressions
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:51:08 GMT

In article <40sj3y=.jps@netcom.com> jps@netcom.com (John Serafin) writes:
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>
>>Incidently, CONFIG.SYS commands no longer generate screen output.  The
>>presentation is thus "cleaner" as OS/2 boots.
>
>These tended to go by too fast to read anyway, but it would be very nice if
>this output could optionally be directed to a file, since it is sometimes
>very valuable in verifying setup and tracking down problems.
>

Actually, the CONFIG.SYS file will generate screen output if there is
an error in one of the lines (ie a driver is missing, or cannot be installed,
or syntax error). I know because I had a driver that wouldnt load, so the
boot up procedure stopped and said that line 61 of CONFIG.SYS was being
skipped, then I had to press Enter to continuethe boot up.


Christian

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: General questions about GA
From: conrad@actrix.gen.nz (Conrad Bullock)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:15:29 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange


Can you set the default sort order for ALL folders? You can set the
default sort order for a single folder with Settings->Sort, and you can
(I think) set the default for all new folders, by changing the template,
but how can I set it so any folder comes up sorted in a particular way.
(ie. can you change the base class in the object hierarchy, such that
all subclasses inherit the attributes)

The use of OK buttons is not very consistent - sometimes windows have
them, sometimes not.

Is there any easier way of associating an existing .ICO file with a file?
(Rather than editing the icon, switching to the ICO file, and then
saving it as WP!1.ICO (or whatever)).

I've had problems editing some system icons - the problem was that the 
icon editor seems to defaul to saving icons in 1.2 format, and it
stuffed things until I saved it in 2.0 format.

The system icon files contain various formats of icons - eg, the
Information icon contains: 32x32x16, 64x64x16, 16x16x2, 20x20x2, and
32x32x2.
Anyway - I didn't like the small folder icon (that appears at the top
left corner of open views, and in the small icon view in folders,
drives view, etc), so I figured I could try and create a 16x16x16
version which was filled with yellow. So, I did. However, the new
small icon appears on the desktop filled with black - it seems to be
limited to monochrome. However, other DOS/Windows programs have colour
'small' icons - in this case, the 32x32 icons mapped down to 16x16, so
I know these icons can be colour...  any clues?

When moving multiple files around on the desktop, is there any ordering
that is maintained when they are placed? They seem to come up in a 
fairly random order.
Also, the spacing between icons seems to be wrong when the icon text
has multple lines.

Arrange or sort on the desktop is 'quite fun'. Easy to do, and difficult
to fix (apart from a reboot without shutdown). There should be an undo.

I'll put in another request for a 'snap to grid' option when placing
icons. In fact, a fixed grid option would be nice for an icon view.

We couldn't get a copy from a floppy to a hard drive to work using the
drives system. (Ctrl or no ctrl).

Funny things with empty gaps appearing in icon views under the drives
system.

(Other questions, I can't recall at the moment)

Regards, Tony Tebbs.
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM!!! Please get it together!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr8.181602.1165@muddcs.claremont.edu> jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>>And think of it this way - the only other OS for 386's with preemptive
>>multitasking and DOS boxes is Unix.  Expect to give up 70MB of disk +
>>a swap device disk VOLUME (not swap file, swap volume) and lots more
>>memory.  And Unix costs close to $1000 (about the expected price for
>>NT, if I remember correctly)
>
>Actually, Coherent runs on a 286 box, has preemptive multitasking,
>gives a good facsimile of Unix, takes 6-10MB of disk space, and
>costs $100.
>
>Of course it doesn't have all those neat features OS/2 has like a
>GUI, Windows and DOS emulation, application base, etc.

Coherent also has such "features" like 64K maximum program size.  It
isn't a complete unix system, although it could be useful for many
part-time unix people.  I dare anyone to try and compile gnu emacs
under Coherent (or gcc or nethack or any other large program).

It's a good facsimile, but it's still just a facsimile.


-- 
David Charlap                   Q:"Where do these stairs go?"
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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