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From: SCHULTZ@admin1.usask.ca (Robert Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Offensive joke
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:41:18 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


	I'm pretty hard to offend - was not offended by the joke, and
don't mind to see the lighter side of life - especially if it is
related to a sport I enjoy. Why if we can't laugh at ourselves, then
we should not be allowed to laugh at others???

	The only negative point about the specific joke is its gender
bias, the joke would not have the same appeal if it were a female
hunter and too many of us automatically apply the masculine gender to
the term 'HUNTER' - too bad!

	Today's world is becoming too sensive to gender issues
(especially in the office where I work) to display an attitude of
robust masculinity - for the better of all. Firearm use is not a
masculine trait.

	In Canada there is significant political pressure for gun
control by feminist groups even though (IMHO) they often really don't
understand firearms and the use thereof. However displaying disregard
for the feminine gender will not improve the stature of any group.

	In conclusion, the joke didn't offend me, appropriate
disclaimers were included so you didn't have to read it. But maybe
this isn't the right forum for jokes of this type - it is better to
display the 'proper' image of the group.  However, I would hate not to
see jokes appear on the forum as I see little difference between some
of the personal experiences and jokes. Maybe jokes of this type should
be posted to rec.humor with a pointer placed in the forum as was done
with rec.guns to this specific joke on rec.hunting.

	I would be interested to hear responses from other readers -
especially female readers/hunters.

Robert Schultz
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"I'm going off half-cocked? I'm going off half-cocked? ...
Well, Mother was right - You can't argue with a shotgun."	- Gary Larson
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Subject: Deer Loads for .35 Remington Wanted.
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:13:26 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



  I recently purchased a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington
and look forward to using it for deer season this fall
in Pennsylvania (Forest County).

  Can anyone recommend any good handloads in the 220
to 220 grain bullet class?  Nothing hot, just a good,
accurate load. I hunt heavy woods and most deer are
taken w/in 100 yards.

  I have a fair amount of experience handloading for
handguns, but this will be my first time handloading for
a rifle.

  Thanks in advance.

Ken




Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: JJD118@psuvm.psu.edu ()
Subject: Re: Blaze Orange for turkeys in PA.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:04:30 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Also there is one week where ARCHERS are required to wear orange.

Also now small game hunters need 250 sq. inches of orange too.

PA went nuts on the orange thing this year.


  I think in the short run more people will be hurt because of the
turkey orange rules. Neglant hunters will be out there and think if it
doen't have orange it must be a turkey, and shoot.  Only to discover
it was a person who thought hunting turkeys would be too hard w/o full
cammo.

John Donovan JJD118@PSUVM.PSU.EDU JJD118@PSUVM donovan@WILBUR.PSU.EDU
Lab Attendant, Student consultant and Seminar Instructor for Penn State Univ.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice;
but if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
   -Rush, "Free Will"
From: eric@ms.uky.edu (Eric H. Herrin II)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Recipes for mutton, squirrel and venison wanted
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:46:16 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hey guys,

With bow hunting season quickly approaching, I thought I'd do a poll of
people's favorite venison recipes.  If you have a particularly good
recipe for any particular cut (or burger, whatever), send me the recipe.

Also, I'm currently looking for good mutton recipes (I recently came into
a bunch of tasty looking sheep), and good squirrel recipes (squirrel 
season is here).

I'll summarize when I get enough responses if there's interest.

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From: stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Suggestions needed for Bowhunting
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:40:37 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article 2202 of rec.hunting, fowler@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (Stephanie Fowler)
writes:

> My bow is a PSE equipped with sights, quivers, and a rest.  Last year I had 
> problems keeping a tight grouping at 30-35 yards, yet when I began shooting 
> year it seems my sights are completely off.  My lowest pin is set dead at only
> 20 yards and the others are useless. Is adding an overdraw the only way to 
> correct this problem?  Also I would appreciate some suggestions on a new rest.
> The rest I am using now allows my arrow to slip off whenevr I pull back no 
> matter if I try to stablize it or not. Thank you in advance.

Stephanie,

I am assuming you haven't changed anything on your bow since you shot
it last year and your arrows are identical in size and weight.  If
that is correct, it sounds like the most likely cause is a change in
your anchor point.  It doesn't take a significant change in your
anchor point to make a difference.  Your best options seem to be
sighting in again using your current anchor point and adjusting all of
the pins accordingly, or changing your anchor point.  I don't think
adding an overdraw is the easiest and/or best way to correct your
problem.  You would have to get all new arrows of the correct
size/spine to adjust for the overdraw.  If you are a finger shooter,
you will be likely to have difficulty in tuning the bow with an
overdraw.

I can't recommend a new rest for you without knowing if you are a
finger shooter or if you use a release aid.  I am a finger shooter and
I currently use a Cavalier shoot around rest, similiar to the Flipper
II rest.  I use my index finger to stabilize the arrow and it works
well for me using the Cavalier rest (about $14.00).  If you use a
release aid, you should use a shoot through rest like a launcher style
rest with prongs.  I am not too familiar with the shoot through rests
and I can't honestly make a good recommendation for you there.

I hope this helps.  Let us know how it works out for you and I wish
you a successful season.

Jeff
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From: SCHULTZ@admin1.usask.ca (Robert Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Load for pyrodex
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:01:57 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Brent:
	The combination that I use is a .490 ball and cotton patching
of 0.015" in a T/C Cougar (50 Cal.). I am able to maintain 3 to 4"
groups at 100 yds (off the bench with 60 grs FFFg).

	I think your patching would be 0.015" (0.005" sounds a bit
thin - maybe not), and thus if you drop the ball by 0.010 you probably
need to increase the patching by the same amount (i.e. to 0.025" - 14
oz. double weave denim is about this thickness). You will have to
experiment a bit with your gun to see what load works the best - you
will find one load where the firearm is most accurate, now if this is
adequate for hunting is something else. You may have to increase the
load and suffer some accuracy loss to get an adequate hunting load. Or
limit your range to 50 yds.

	I also know of people using balls only 0.005 smaller than the
calibre, they obtain good results, but what their firearm would do
with a smaller ball I don't know - haven't experimented along these
lines myself.

	I've seen some suggestions that recommend not less than 500
ft-lbs of energy for deer hunting. A T/C Renegade, 54 cal, .530 round
ball exhibits the following characteristics:

load		Muzzle Vel   Muzzle Energy	Vel @ 100 yds	Energy @ 100 yds
		(fps)		(ft-lbs)	  fps		 ft-lbs

120 gr FFg	1748		1527		1079		582
120 gr (vol)
   Pyrodex	1600		1279		987		487

Above data taken from 'Black Powder Loading Manual' by Sam Falada and
are the maximum recommended powder charges.

	I would also suggest that you fire at least 100 rounds before
you go hunting, the barrels generally need to be broken in (wive's
tale?) before the print consistently.

	Every year I hear and see muzzle loader hunters with firearms
that have not been sighted in, what a way to set an image!

You have picked a facsinating adventure.

Robert Schultz, President,
Saskatchewan Black Powder Association Inc.

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"I'm going off half-cocked? I'm going off half-cocked? ...
Well, Mother was right - You can't argue with a shotgun."	- Gary Larson
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From: system@dst2.enet.dec.com (Dan Koch)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Punchcutter broadheads?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:47:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Anyone have any REAL hunting experience with the Punchcutter type
broadheads?  Pros and cons?  I can see where penetration might be an
issue on heavier game like bear or elk, but I'd be using them for
whitetails.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: jessie@iastate.edu (Brent Danielson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Pyrodex load needed
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:06:24 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

My apologies if this message appears twice.  The software got a little
weird, and I'm not sure if the first post got out.

I recently (last night) took delivery of a new T/C Hawkins rifle in
.54 cal.

My grad student picked it up for me at Cabella's while enroute from
Wyoming to Iowa.  As I intend to stick to patched roundball loads, I
had him purchase a box of roundballs to go with a basic .54 cal
starter kit.

The round balls in the starter kit are .53" and seemed to work well
with the lubed patches (0.005" I think - I lost the label).  However,
when I tried one of the balls from the other box, they were 0.52" and
I could easily have started one down the barrel with a patch using
only a slight push with my thumb.  This seemed too loose, so I stuck
with the larger balls and an 80 gr. equivalent load of Pyrodex
(measured by volume of course).

I assume that these slightly smaller balls require thicker patches.
If so, how much thicker, and what are the tradeoffs between small
balls with thicker patches versus the reciprocal?

As I intend to hunt whitetails here in IA with this rifle, and I
expect the ranges to be 100 yds or less (probably a lot less), I would
greatly appreciate any recommendations of a pyrodex/roundball/patch
load that will be as accurate as possible but still have enough energy
at 100 yds to adequately kill one of these corn fed bucks.  Although I
tend to kill the smallest deer legally acceptable, it is NOT by
choice, and I have aspirations of dropping one of these huge bucks
that everyone else seem to find so easily.

If it makes a difference, and I suspect that it does, this rifle has a
28" barrel and a 1 in 48" twist.

Thanks in advance
Brent Danielson
Jessie@iastate.edu
From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re:Where to hunt in Utah
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:06:48 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Depending on where and what you intend to hunt-If I were you and
wanted to hunt a little of everything Id try the Zoo!!!!  Sorry
couldnt resist! Do the Mormans hunt? If so which wife cooks the game?
Why dont you hunt in Texas every one knows that everything is bigger
and better!

                  TTTTT  EEE   X  X    A   SSSS   
                    T    EE     X     AAA    S   
Cowboy              T    EEE   X  X  A   A SSSS
From: ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:44:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Aug18.080132.23672@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ketchum@fubar.cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
>Well, after reading posting #2281 I wouldn't reccommend a single shot gun.
>
>Since you are not hunting with it and are just wanting to "scare bear"
>I would suggest that you use the latest "attacker deterent sprays", or
>something like that. There are a few kinds out on the market. One is
>full of cayenne pepper and I can't pronounce the active ingredient the
>other one I'm thinking about.
>
>I've been bear hunting a bit and even harvested a few. My wife doesn't
>like me to go unless I pack my .44 Ruger (which must weigh 4lbs on
>level ground).  I haven't told her that I leave it in the truck cuz
>it's so heavy and I couldn't hit anything with it anyhow.
>

 Well... maybe if I don't have to a .44 (in this case, a Smith) around, I 
 could enjoy the hunt more.  You definately have my attention.

>Getting to the point now. The first bear I shot with my bow was
>snoozing.  That's right. Taking a nap. I had watched him lay down, so
>I snuck up on him and stuck him. He got up and took off so fast that I
>couldn't have even gotten off a shot with a pistol (and I am pretty
>quick on the draw) if I had had it. Luckily he ran the other way (the
>direction that he was headed when he lay down). He just covered about
>50 yards before expiring but he did it in about 3.5 seconds.
>Incidently he was dead in 90 seconds, as a result of sharp broadheads
>and good arrow placement.
>
>Forget the pistol and get some form of bear deterent.

 This sounds like the voice of experience.  I think I better listen.  Let 
 me ask a couple of questions.  I assume by bear deterent you mean a caustic
 spray of some sort, right?  I've seen these advertised, but was rather 
 skeptical about their effectiveness.  Am I wrong about them?  The ones I'm
 thinking of use oleoresin capsicum (as in fire-breathin', three alarm cayenne
 peppers) as the active ingredient. 

 Supposedly these sprays are extremely effective at preventing or discouraging 
 even the most aggressive behaviour in any air breathing animal.  I guess so.
 I do dearly love to munch the mighty jalapeno, but this stuff sounds like it
 must be downright fiery.  The ad I saw prices the 1/2 ounce size at $9.95 on 
 up to the "3 ounce fogger" (fogger!?! ...ouch!) for $19.95.

 I may be needing some later this year.  It'll really hurt my feelings to let
 a pig chase me up a tree, and sooner or later one is going to chase me.  Any 
 advice? This spray stuff might be just the ticket.

 Shawn
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Neutralizing Scents
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:20:11 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.080521.24280@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd) writes:
 
>How the hell those things ever get hit by a car I'll never know.  You
>can climb in a tree, sit over a hundred pounds of corn, and turn blue
>holding your breath trying to be quiet to get one within range, and
>never see a durn thing.  But get in a rattly ole, stinky, smoke
>belching pickup, turn on the high beams and tool down the highway with
>a hole in your muffler and missing on three cylinders, and they'll
>jump out in front of you to commit hara-kiri on your bumper.  Go
>figure.  Maybe we should just strap on cardboard sillouhuettes of
>pickups and go run through the woods yelling vrroooom! vrroooom! honk!
>honk!  You'd probably limit out on opening day.  They'd hafta outlaw
>it.
 
 
Tim:  Now *this* was good humor.  I was rolling on the floor!
Good job Shawn!
 
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From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: RE:Ducks and Decoys
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:04:33 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Ive hunted ducks for 10 years at least. I have hunted similar
situations with several dozens of mallard and woodie deeks and with
only a few even with none at all. Ducks have patterns but each is an
individual,I can usually predict ducks early in the season but not
late. My spreads consist of mallards woodies and pintails-althoug they
never show up. Try hunting solo in the area and camo-out then when the
ducks come in you can let them land and be decoys Ive had 200+ ducks
in spitting range before and its a rush!!! We hunt for scaup and
goldeneyes here too and these will decoy to a skunk. Any scaup deek or
goldeneye deek will work almost every time. Just dont overhunt an area
hunt several places.

              Dave-Womanizer,duckslayer!
From: news@genrad.com
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Blaze Orange for turkeys in PA.
Keywords: Slob Hunters
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:47:40 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug17.100403.8219@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
>
>   Did you know this year in PA. you must have on 250 sq.inches of blaze
>orange to hunt the fall turkey season and 100 sq. inches of blaze orange
>while moving only to hunt the spring season. What do you all think ?

Purely another case of a few SLOB hunters ruining it for all others. I go to
 PA and hunt both fall and spring turkey every year and think it is too bad
 that these new laws had to be enacted.
During the fall season of 1990, 3 hunters were shot in mistake for turkeys.
 There is NO reason for this. Anyway, these incidents prompted the PA Game
 Commission to pass new safety laws. Another law they had considered but later
 dropped was to make rifles illegal for fall turkey (so be aware that for fall
 turkey (only), rifles are legal - at least for now).
If I'm not mistaken, in PA 250 sq. inches is considered a hat and vest and that
 100 sq. inches is a hat only (and as you stated, this needs only to be worn
 going to and from your calling/hunting position, and not be worn during the
 actual hunt). I can imagine this could get a little "touchy". I mean if 1 is
 walking and calling to locate/hunt gobblers, what exactly does 1 consider to
 be the "actual hunt". (I will have to read up on this).
Anyway, I'm not the happiest hunter when it comes to these new laws, but I
 guess it will make the hunt more interesting/challenging.
Good Luck, I will be testing the new laws the 1st - 2nd week of November.

pcr@genrad.com
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: voder!galaxy.nsc.com!brian@pyramid.pyramid.com.UUX (Brian Chan x5621)
Subject: Mail Order Places
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:14:16 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hi folks!


I've been hearing a lot on the net recently about Cabelas and Gander
Mountain.

Could some one please post the address/phone number so that I can get
a catalog from them??

Right now, I do all of my ordering from Bowhunter's Discount Warehouse
and FS Arrow.

thanks!


-brian


brian@galaxy.nsc.com





Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: SCHULTZ@admin1.usask.ca (Robert Schultz)
Subject: Re: Veracity check
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:41:50 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>Just a tip on something I saw over at the archery range last night:
>Hoyt (the bowmaker) had sent out a flyer warning people NOT to buy
>Hoyt bows from Cabela's, Gander Mountain, etc., stating that this
>would void the warranty.  Their justification was the the mail order
>folks didn't have the knowledge that a pro shop had and couldn't be
>sure that they were selling you the proper bow with the right setup
>for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

	I would think that Cabela's and Gander Mountain would honour
warranty even if the manufacturer doesn't, i.e. you have to send it
to the retailer and not to the manufacturer.

Robert Schultz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I'm going off half-cocked? I'm going off half-cocked? ...
Well, Mother was right - You can't argue with a shotgun."	- Gary Larson
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Re: Blaze Orange for turkeys in PA.
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:04:11 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Well, I am not a turkey hunter, but I have had several turkeys walk
within 3 feet of me while i was on the ground in a makeshift blind
deer hunting As long as you break up your outline, it might not be too
bad.  Remember, I am speaking as a general hunter, not a expert on
turkeys.


--
================================================================================Steve Hollis--Your friendly neighborhood zoology major
srh3@ra.msstate.edu
================================================================================
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:01:46 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug17.100503.8355@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
     mbh@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
>I am looking to buy my first handgun with a specific purpose in mind.  I
>do some solo backpacking and I'd feel more secure with the protection of
>a handgun.  Although just about any handgun will scare away threatening
>people [I've seen "Deliverance" too many times :-)  ], what kind of gun
>would be suitable in scaring away bears?  I wouldn't be hunting with it,
>I'd just like a handgun to scare things away.  Cost isn't that
>important, but size and weight are.  Any suggestions would be greatly
>appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
 
This is going to be a very person-specific issue, but my vote goes for
the 9mm.  I simply like having alot of shells in the clip....
 
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From: J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk (Jonathan Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: things dogs do (was Re: Hunting joke (may be offensive))
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:47:19 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd) writes:

    Hey, didya hear the one about the hunter that hadda a dog that
    wouldn't quit  eating sh...  uh, nevermind.  

Did I "hear about him", I've *got* him :-) :-). And he doesn't eat just
shite. One January day, while waiting for someone to recover a hawk, we
were hanging around in the snow for quite a while. After we'd moved on
I wondered where my dog was (he often ranges out of sight) only to be
told, he's "still eating that sheep carcase he dug up while we were
waiting". Some friends I've got.

Many dogs will roll in shite, won't they? If this swine finds a blown,
rotting, preferably putrid sheep carcase, he rips it open, and WALLOWS
in it. Now, that's bad enough, but then he just *has* to show me what a
fine fellow he is with a "this'll drive the girls wild" look in his
eye. That's when he gets lobbed into the water, and FAST!

But then, it's him that he finds the game not me, so he's forgiven.

--Jonathan