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From: sxjcb@skyfire.uacn.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: 386BSD 0.1 & Com ports
Summary: Tip always complains of locked com port
Keywords: com tip ttys remote
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:45:32 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

I've been trying to use tip to talk to both a line driver or a modem on com2 
and I've had no end of trouble.  My hardware setup worked under Dos and 
worked using the TinyBSD boot disk and basic distribution on the hard drive, 
but once I loaded BIN01, trouble started.

# tip com2
lock open: No such file or directory
all ports busy

/etc/remote contains:
com2:dv=/dev/com2:br#9600:

/etc/ttys contains:
#com02	"/usr/libexec/getty std.9600"	unknown	off	secure
com02	none				unknown	off	secure

(I've tried this with the first line uncommented and with a status of on)

ls -la /var/spool/lock/* contains nothing
cat /var/log/aculog shows blank
/dev/com2 has rw for root which I've tried this under.

I've read as much as I can find in Managing UUCP & Usenet by ORA which has 
fairly extensive coverage of com ports under 4.3BSD and nothing there has 
helped.  I've even created /usr/spool/locks just on the off chance that that 
would help.  I could find no acucntrl or uugetty on the distribution.

So, what am I missing, and can anyone help?

 - jcb
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Jay C. Beavers                        |   sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: bowen@olsen.ch (Devon Bowen)
Subject: Re: AT&T vs. BSDI --> 4.3BSD-NET2 distribution requires AT&T license!!!
Organization: Olsen & Associates, Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:28:10 GMT

In article <MELLON.92Jul23151223@verbosa.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>Actually, it's a lot easier than that.   Switch long distance
>carriers, and then give AT&T a call and tell them why (or write them a
>letter).

It's even easier than that. When you switch they will most certainly call
you multiple times, send you letters, etc, claiming "we want you back".
That's what they did when my roommate and I switched last year and each
time we spent about 20 minutes giving the personal on the other end a
lesson in software patents. 8-)

Devon
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@npd.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: 386bsd security enhancements are needed before using INTERNET!
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.183548.20598@news.iastate.edu> niko@iastate.edu (Nikolaus E Schuessler) writes:
>
>>>fact of the matter is that the precompiled password authentication codes
>>>present absolutely no risk to national security.
>>
>>	The problem is the ability to distribute source.  One of the base
>>intentions of 386BSD, from what I have seen, is to make everything freely
>
>Aren't there keys that can be changed on a system by system basis? For
>some algorithms it could take a fast computer a long time to crack the
>codes even if it knew the algorithm...

It isn't that the algorithms are crackable -- it's that they take what the
NSA considers an unreasonable amount of time to crack, and, as such,
distribution of a working crypt library represents a perceived threat to
the national interest (USA).  This is, in point of fact, a real problem,
in that you can encrypt sensitive data in the US and send it out on a public
channel.  By the time it has been decrypted, the damage has already been
done, as the distribution of the data is no longer taking place and can not
be thwarted.

					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
---
Disclaimer:  Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of
my present or previous employers.
From: dennis@nebulus.ca (Dennis S. Breckenridge)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: AT&T vs. BSDI --> 4.3BSD-NET2 distribution requires AT&T license!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:55:17 GMT
Organization: Alchemy Mindworks, Edmonton, Alberta

lyndon@ampr.ab.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:

>Or better yet, is the Death Star going to sue the Jolitz's too?

No they tend to go after the small development companies, this scares
the rest into hiding. 

What are the ramifications if eh TNT wins. Will all of their current 
source license holders lose thier licenses. If the Death Star would 
wake up and smell the coffee, they would get serious about the 
competition out there in the real UNIX(tm) world and drop thier 
source license price. 60k U.S. for a very broken SVR4 is a little
steep guys. I can ftp Jolitz or drop 1k into BSDi and I am not 
locked down to a specific hardware platform. I can get support on
most hardware add-ons either via the net or directly from BSDi. Hell
I payed 3500.00 for a O/S and C compiler from AT&T in binary form. I
do not get any support because I dropped my AT&T platform for something
a little faster and quite a bit cheaper. I would consider paying that
kind of money for the O/S source, but somebody has to pay the lawyers!


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: dvs@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Wolfgang R. Mueller)
Subject: Partial success installing 386BSD 0.1
Organization: Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:50:55 GMT

Did anyone else experience the same effect or has a clue or a hint how to
get more analysing information?

The Tiny 386BSD 0.1 floppy boots fine on an old Siemens PCD-3T (386, 16 Mhz,
2 MB, original Intel motherboard, 68 MB MFM disk, 3 MB for DOS).
Trying the easy way:

  # install
  64 MB free. How many ... ? 60  (I tried 64 first, with no difference)
  Should your 60 MB ... ? y
  Do you want to install ... ? y
  High level formatting ...
  ... 112336 sectors in 826 cylinders of 8 tracks, 17 sectors
  ...
  super-block backups...
  ...
  Mounting 386BSD filesystem.
  Installing files from installation floppy.
  Extracting the distribution utilities from the installation floppy.

For a minute or so there are some floppy accesses and some to harddisk,
but then there does not happen anything else (I waited 10 to 15 minutes).
Taking out the boot floppy triggers no reaction.
Characters typed at the keyboard appear on the screen but show no other
effect (^C, ^D, ^Z are simply echoed). Only C-A-Del works like usual.

When I try the new 386BSD partition, - surprise, surprise - it boots !
But the distribution utilities are not there, so I cannot go further.

The effect is also independent of the presence (successfully detected)
or absence of a 3c503 jumpered as recommended in the INSTALL.NOTES.

Is there any command line switch for "install" to make it more verbose,
so that I can figure out more closely, where the problem is ?

In the root directory of the harddisk I found a file MAINFEST.base.
From the list of files therein all files up to /usr/local/bin/mread
exist on disk, but the remaining from /usr/bin/ftp on are missing.
Does that give any clue ?

Thanks for any help,
Wolfgang R. Mueller <dvs@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de>,
Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany.
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: AT&T vs. BSDI --> 4.3BSD-NET2 distribution requires AT&T license!!!
Keywords: AT&T 'Death Star' rises over BSDI's horizon [Tel. 1-800-800-4BSD
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:03:33 EDT

sb380@cs.city.ac.uk (Andy Holt) writes:
>In <3674@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>>                It is virtually impossible to not have had access to a Unix
>>system in one's career of computer science.  If that is allowed to stand,
>>AT&T will win every time.  Yuch.
>But that could wreck any AT&T claim to "trade secret" status - I suspect
>_far_ too many people have seen the code for such a claim to stand. 

Every single person in the world save one could know a given "trade secret"
if AT&T had a signed piece of paper requiring each of those knowledgable
individuals to treat the material as confidential (and note that if you worked
for a site which had a source license, your acceptance of your terms of
employment is the same as accepting the contract your employer signed to get
the source license).  AT&T has previously gone after "stolen" copies of UNIX,
and restricted the use of the "Lyons book" that was used in the operating
systems course at the University of New South Wales (UNIX V6 source code and
explanatory material, in two highly convenient books).

Since UCB was not authorized to disclose any trade secrets, then IF the NET2
sources really contain such trade secrets, AT&T could (I think) demand the
recall or destruction of any copies of it.  AT&T's problem might be that they
have been too slow to act -- in particular, "The Design of the 4.3BSD Operating
System" has been out for quite some time, and presumably would have disclosed
the same trade secrets (one hopes that they will try to avoid claiming anything
that *they* published in the Bach book, to avoid looking really stupid).  They
could wind up in a situation where they can successfully claim that trade
secrets were revealed (and thus they are owed damages from BSDI and UCB) but
they lose the trade secret status (which would presumably *increase* the
damages they are owed, since they have had a valuable "property" destroyed).

Consult a lawyer if you really care to know about all this (or if you have
ever seen the grim word "login:" on a screen, since your mind is now a wholly-
owned subsidiary of The Death Star...).


Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: Havard.Eidnes@runit.sintef.no (Havard Eidnes)
Subject: Hard boot needed for WD ethernet card to be recognized
Originator: he@spurv.runit.sintef.no
Organization: Computing Center at the University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:06:22 GMT

Hi,

I've not seen this mentioned before, so I thought I should ask whether any-
one else have the same problem I have.  Yesterday we installed 386BSD 0.1 on
the following system:

	ISA-based 486/33, 8MB
	Adaptec SCSI (1542B?) on ISA, 240MB Quantum SCSI disk
	3.5" and 5.25" floppies (not sure on which controller, though)
	WD80013EBT (?) ethernet card (the WD8003E wouldn't work, this
				was before the recent patch and we never 
				got around to putting the old card back)

However, we've seen the error I'm about to describe on another system as 
well.

The error is that one have to do a hard reset of the machine in order for
the autoconfigure to find the ethernet card!  If you simply reboot (as when
you're logged in via telnet), it won't find the ethernet card.  Either a
press of the reset switch or a power cycle appears to be necessary.

Is this a known problem?

- Havard
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: USL vs. BSDI, and what to do
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:45:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.170447.11039@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

:I hate to say this, but Bob has nothing to do with this.  AT&T didn't
:bring the law suit.  USL did.  USL has a different chair person, and
:has their own lawyers (from what I've heard, they don't share lawyers...
:so much for the "army of lawyers").

Who's the biggest shareholder of USL?  

Let's play multiple choice:

a)  AT&T
b)  American Telephone & Telegraph
c)  All of the above

See my point?  If USL is hurt, AT&T is hurt and vice versa.  I know
that USL was created to distance themselves away from AT&T, but it's
pretty obvious who has the vested interest in the outcome of this suit.



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 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
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From: leisner@trianguli (Marty Leisner 311/? x?)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Installing boot disks on a sun sparcstation
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:44:15 GMT
Reply-To: leisner.henr801c@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Well, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but whenever I insert a boot disk into a compaq, it starts to read the 
disk, then reboots (displays the ram count)...in an infinite loop.

I got the newbootables.cgd off agate, made and installed the cksum (from the bsd tapes) on a SS2, and
have the same cksum as the version I got...

I then did:
cmp dist.fs /dev/fd0
and got
cmp: EOF on dist.fs

I also tried fixit.fs without success.

brian@ucsd:edu told me to try :

 dd if=dist.fs of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k

which I did, with the same results...

Should I try machines other than Compaqs?



--
marty
leisner.henr801c@xerox.com  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Subject: Re: problems bringing up 386BSD 0.1
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:01:58 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <greg.711645054@hibp1.ecse.rpi.edu> greg@ecse.rpi.edu (Greg) writes:
>>In <RAEBURN.92Jul17141049@cambridge.cygnus.com> raeburn@cambridge.cygnus.com (Ken Raeburn) writes:
>>>Using ftp to copy something from a remote machine to local disk is very
>>>slow.  Local disk-to-disk copy is fast, ftp into /dev/null is fast; it's
>>[...]
>>>drivers).  I'm using an NE2000 card configured for IRQ 9, which is what
>  I am also using an ne2000 at irq 9. It is also VERY SLOW!!

	I have tried both a wd8003e 16 bit card and a ne2000 clone.
	The wd8003e was left at int 2/9, but I re-compiled the
	kernel and put the ne2000 at int 11.
	I get 1.1e+02 kbytes/s ftp'ing with both. (these are large 2-10
	meg files).  The 0.1 system is a 33mhz 386 with a couple IDE
	drives, and the other system is a 33mhz 486 sysvr4 system
	with a wd8003e.

-- 
	I am created Shiva the Destroyer; Death, the shatterer of worlds!
	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux,comp.periphs.scsi
From: neese@adaptx1.UUCP (Roy Neese)
Subject: Re: Query: Drivers for AHA >1522< ?
Organization: Adaptec Inc., Texas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:41:24 GMT

In article <adam.711725819@mcrware> adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg) writes:
> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> 
> >And, just to make followups more likely, (3) what is the difference
> >between the 1542 and the 1522?  Perspiring minds want to know!
> 
> The 1542 is a bus-mastering controller.  This 1522 is not.  That makes
> the 1542 much faster (at least in a protected-mode OS like Linux, with
> properly written drivers).  
> 
> Given this difference, my inclination is that modifying the 1542 driver
> to work with the 1522 *could* be significant work.  (Or not, depending
> on how far-sighted Adaptec is).

This would not be a trivial effort as the 1522 is a 1542 without a
processor, which means the firmware on the 1542 moves to the local CPU,
so the driver would be much bigger than the 1542 driver and the overhead
would be much higher.
---

			Roy Neese
			Adaptec Senior UNIX/SCSI Software Engineer
			UUCP:	convex!egsner!adaptex!neese
			Inet:	neese%adaptex@cirr.com
From: pmcgilla@hp.uwsuper.edu (Patrick L. McGillan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: good installation - network problems
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: (Patrick L. McGillan) <pmcgilla@hp.uwsuper.edu>
Organization: J. Deitch & Associates
Originator: 386bsd-gate@jadpc.cts.com
Precedence: bulk

I installed 386bsd with a hitch. Works great, even tho I am using only what 
was on the baby disk. Figured I could ftp over the rest of the stuff 
directly, which is where the problem comes in. Entering command;
ifconfig ne0 inet 137.81.2.9 netmask 255.255.255.0
I get;
neinitstartartstartsrtstartart #
At that point I can enter;
route add default 137.81.2.5
and ftp to the world. Unfortunately I am getting nearly continous 
"startartstartartstartart" and on and on. while the system is useable it is 
nearly unreadable. Does anyone have a clue, I tried two different ne2000 
clones and they both do the same thing.

--
Patrick L. McGillan                  Computer Systems Specialist
University of Wisconsin              pmcgilla@uwsuper.edu
Superior, Wisconsin  54880           Ph: (715) 394-8191
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Subject: Bash (Was: Help with posting news under BSD/386 wa)
Reply-To: cflatter@nrao.edu
Organization: NRAO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:55:24 GMT

In article 2902@mks.com, fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) writes:
>I suggest you replace the Bourne Shell that comes with 386BSD 0.1 with
>GNU's Bash.
>
>No, I don't know if it will easily compile under 386BSD 0.1. 

Yes it will.  The only problem is that the autoconfiguration procedures
mistakenly think that 386BSD is a USGr3 system.  I was too lazy to
find out what the problem was and just fixed up the bash-Makefile
that is generated: just change OS from USG to Bsd; remove the -DUSGr3
and remove -lPW.

Alternatively, I think that there is a bash binary in the etc01 archive.

	Chris Flatters
	cflatter@nrao.edu
From: dennis@nebulus.ca (Dennis S. Breckenridge)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: AT&T vs. BSDI --> 4.3BSD-NET2 distribution requires AT&T license!!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:43:34 GMT
Organization: Alchemy Mindworks, Edmonton, Alberta

randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:

>Let's get down to basics.  This is going to cost a lot of cash to fight.  So
>where do we send donations?

Randy, the way you donate to the cause is to buy a BSDi source license.
This supports the company in a couple of ways. One, they are recovering
from their development costs, two, they are bolstering thier income. You
end up with source for an o/s that runs on a 386. What's AT&T going to 
do? chase ALL the sublicensees. Good luck.

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From: greggb@nic.cerf.net (Gregg Brekke)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: compilers???
Keywords: Pascal, lisp, modula-2
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:03:50 GMT
Organization: CERFnet;  La Jolla, CA

Has anyone successfully compiled any of the Pascal, lisp, or modula-2 
compilers/interpreters out there for the *NIX systems on 386bsd?  I 
would like to offer users who are students this service.  

If you know of the sources, please give FTP addresses or phone numbers
if they are commercial.

Thanks,
Gregg

greggb@acme.fred.org
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: ronald@gate.demon.co.uk (Ronald Khoo)
Organization: Demon Internet Services.
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92)
Subject: Re: Help: Routing Problem on 386BSD
Cc: "William F. Jolitz" <wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:54:06 +0000

wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz) wrote:

> By default, BSD system's *DON'T* act as routers, primarily for network
> security reasons

The reasons are specified in RFC 1122 HOST REQUIREMENTS.  Please do NOT
change the default behaviour.  This is REQUIRED.  I quote:

[ from RFC 1122 3.1 INTRODUCTION ]

      [ ... ] Any host that forwards datagrams generated by another host is
      acting as a gateway and MUST also meet the specifications laid out
      in the gateway requirements RFC [INTRO:2].  An Internet host that
      includes embedded gateway code MUST have a configuration switch to
      disable the gateway function, and this switch MUST default to the
      non-gateway mode. [ ... ]



-- 
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BTNet: +44 71 229 7741                    | Brambles are the order of the day.
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 09:56:33 MES
From: Holger Klawitter, Informatik <KLAWITT@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: adding data encryption

I miss the possibility to include a crypt command into 386bsd.
Ok, ok I know its illegal to ship it outside the USA, but is
there any europeen (or any other non -american) site out there
where the crypt source can be taken from?
(To avoid any flames: in europe we are also interested in .passwd
files which to NOT contain the password in literal)

Holger Klawitter
holger@math.uni-muenster.de         x - 251 - 83 3754
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: AT&T sues BSDI & Our Retaliation
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:55:04 GMT

In article <4442@hq.hq.af.mil>, john@hq.af.mil (John Ryan) writes:
| 2) Counter sue.  100,000 * 10 hrs * 300.00 $/hr = $300,000,000.00.
| The cost to you $10.00 (aprox).

Uhh.  It may cost a wee bit more.  You may wish to go to the library
and study the implications of frivolous lawsuts.

| 4) Write the US District Attorney alleging monopolistic practices.
| AT&T didn't like the last run in they had :-). Volenteer as an
| expert witness.

Assuming, of course, that you qualify as an ``expert''...

I appreciate the sentiment that causes these kind of posts, but being
angry is not enought, and going off half cocked is even worse.

An example of a way to apply ``legitimate'' economic pressure is to
take the list posted earlier of the shareholders of USL, and relentlessly
begin to cajole every one you know to cease dealing with these firms.  Start
with yourself, then your wife, siblings, children, parents, neighbors, etc.
Explain to these people that you are concerned that this attack on the NET2
software release affects you personally, and will eventually affect them.
Explain why this suit is a Bad Thing (which means you need to know why
it is a Bad Thing).

The point I want to emphasise is that a zillion hackers writing netnews
is unlikely to cause enough pressure to be effective, whereas getting
gobs of ``Average Folks'' involved, with the associated negative press,
might.

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