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From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Replacement drivers for Mission 770 speakers
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:46:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.463
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Distribution: usa
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov2.124632@trc.amoco.com> znpt01@trc.amoco.com (Norman P. Tracy) writes:
> ...
>Loudspeaker drivers do not as a rule wear out and require replacement.
>A driver built out of QUALITY parts will last decades with little or
>no change in its sound.  Witness the collect ability of old JBL, E-V,
>and Western-Electric speakers from the 60's, 50's and even the 40's!

As a matter of fact I am using two Altec 8" drivers in my center channel
speakers that were built in the late fifties or early sixties. They still
sound good. They are not what you would call transparent, in fact they
have quite a colored "warm" sound. They are perfect for the application.
more on that in my next post...

-grego
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From: F1.DAO@isumvs.iastate.edu (David Oesper)
Subject: A Timer/Recorder for AM/FM Radio?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:20:33 GMT

Does anyone make an affordable component that allows one to record
AM and FM radio programs in much the same way any VCR works?  What I
am looking for would have the following features:

(1) Be able to record programs up to 2 hours long on a single tape.

(2) Have a built-in timer where you would program the time,
frequency (on either AM or FM), and program duration (like a VCR).

In other words, what I am looking for is a VCR for radio instead of
for television.  Does such a thing exist?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me,

David Oesper
Ames, Iowa
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro
Subject: Re: DAT recorders with mike input
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:19:07 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov10.221818.1816@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger) writes:
>
>				i doubt you'd ever see it in a studio .
>T powering is a variant on A/B powering , though i'm not entirely sure
>what the distinction is . it's fairly common for film work , as in the
>Sennheiser MKH416T ( also available in a 48V phantom powered version ,
>called the MKH416P48 ) . i suspect it's used due the lower voltage
>requirement .

Is this that strange configuration that Saul Mineroff likes so much, where
one pin carries the shield (and reference ground), another carries an
unbalanced mike output, and the third carries power to the mike?  This is
actually a good idea, since it removes the requirement for the blocking cap
and the balancing transformer, but because it's an unbalanced line it can't
be run too far.  Of course, that's not as much of a problem.

Or is this something else?
--scott
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kalbach@hornet.psu.edu (John Kalbach)
Subject: Sony GX99ES Surround Sound Receiver 
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:08:08 GMT


I was wondering if anyone out there has this unit and what they
thought of it?  I was also wondering if there are any other
units that have similar features from a different copmany.

John Kalbach
kalbach@hornet.psu.edu
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DIY Cutting holes for woofers
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:31:35 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

wakeland@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ray s wakeland) writes:

>I am looking for advice on cutting a 7.375 inch hole in 3/4 inch MDF.  
>DIYourselfers--how do you normally do this?  Do you have to cut it out 
>by hand with a jigsaw, or is there some way to drill a hole this size?

Use a router with a thin cutter. Fix the router to a length of wood with a
hole drilled at one end. Screw this other end to the dead centre of the
circle you want to cut out. The router will now rotate around the center.

Start routing out swinging the router around on the wooden pivot.
Voila! Instant perfect circles. MDF is soft enpugh for a router bit to cut
through.

Also some router come with an extension kit for doing precisely this job,
though the tend to be smaller than 7 inches but have the option of screwing
on a length to increase the diameter.

A 7.375 inch dril is...err...kinda hard to get hold of.

Other than that, it's the tedious jigsaw I'm afraid.

Dave ("my first power tool was a router")
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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Tiny speakers with Drivers?
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 13:45:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.222709.24470@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
|> 
|> 	So, does anyone own any wall outlet powered mini speakers?
|> 	Any idea where one could find a comparison of different
|> 	brands?
|> 

   I think Bang and Olufson (sp?) makes some speakers with built in
amplifiers.  They're the ones that look like pencils standing on their
point (all silver coloured).  I don't know much at all about them 
beyond that (they may be quite pricy).  Perhaps someone else on the
net is more familiar with B&O equipment...

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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Dennon vs. Sony
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:59:49 GMT
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: brad@buck


In article <184206@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov10.052826.1@vax.sonoma.edu> oberland@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

[stuff deleted]
|> 
|> >I spend a lot of time with IC's and have a distrust of their reliability
|> >when it comes to heat. 
|> >
|> >BUT an IC is a yes/no device.  Works perfectly, or not at all.  Transistors
|> >are not quite the same, and can still work to some degree with damage to them.
|>     You need to spend a bit more time with those IC's...and maybe a
|>     few transistors as well.  
|> 
|>     To say that your statement is inaccurate or misguided is to be
|>     kind.   
|> 
No, no, no. The IC *is* a yes/no device. I plug it in, it works
perfectly. I unplug it, it doesn't work at all. And those transistors,
they work to some degree when damaged: I clip off one of the leads, and
it works as a diode! 

So, you see, the statement was accurate after all!

No smiley face needed, I sincerely hope.
From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Wire to Center Channel
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:36:24 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu


WHen I was buying my front speakers, I was told that it was important to keep
the wire length to the left and right channel the same length.  Should I be 
careful to make my center channel wire the same length as the wire to the
left and right, or is that less important?  How about wire to the surround 
speakers?

Thanks for the help.

Kevin 
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu

From: dale@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Dale Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:12:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Solid State Tubes!
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.audio

I wonder if it has a tiny little microphone in it somewhere.
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro
From: murr@esd.dl.nec.com (Steve Murr)
Subject: Bose 901 speakers for sale 
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:29:16 GMT

Bose 901 speakers with equalizer, excellent condition

$650.00  (o.b.o.)

214-436-2052  ask for Ron or leave message

Lewisville, Tx.
From: csc2mxs@cabell.vcu.edu (Marko Siladin)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Cheap DAT tapes
Date: 11 Nov 1992 10:42:27 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi!

Where can I find cheap DAT tapes? Here in Richmond the price is ~$14
for a Sony 120 minute tape. I know that I paid 16 DM in Germany last
year for the same type. So there must be a place in the states where
I can order DAT tapes at a lower price than here in Richmond.
...Marko
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:27:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Wire to Center Channel
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

> 
> WHen I was buying my front speakers, I was told that it was important to keep
> the wire length to the left and right channel the same length.  Should I be 
> careful to make my center channel wire the same length as the wire to the
> left and right, or is that less important?  How about wire to the surround 
> speakers?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Kevin 
> kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
> 

It is actually relatively unimportant to keep the wires the same length, so
I wouldn't worry about it for the center speaker.  The people who *do*
worry about this base their concerns on the supposed phase differences
caused by the different lengths; however, a little thought will soon show that,
given the prop. delay through any reasonable cable, length differences of
even twenty feet or more amount to only a few degrees at even high ultrasonic
frequencies.  In short, relax, don't worry, have a homebrew!


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Boston high-end dealers
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:16:53 GMT


In addition to Audio Vision in Arlington (very good indeed), I would also 
recommend Stereo Shops of Mass, located at 1387 Washington St. in West Newton. 
Their phone number is 964-1020.

These are both places that will take time with you, and they are both
willing to loan equipment for evaluation at home.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Comments on Def.Tech, KLH, McNeill, other good speakers?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:07:47 GMT

The Def. Tech. speakers are sold by my dealer for home theatre
applications. They are bi-polar, like the Mirage M1,M3,M5 and M7.
The project a large soundstage. KEFs and B&Ws tend to have smaller,
more precise imaging, while the bi-polars have a larger, but
not as precise soundstage. They seem to be pretty good for the money.
The Mirages cost quite a bit more than the DTs.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Dennon vs. Sony
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:29:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.194952.1@vax.sonoma.edu> oberland@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>The last time something broke(stereo equipment), it was
>a chip that was overstressed.
>I have fried transistors before, but only by doing something really stupid.

>I trust transistors much more than an IC.

>In fact, the only equipment that I have to date that is over three years old
>is my old NON-IC equipment.

>My amp gets hot enough(old transistor type) to set things on fire.
>Don't know how hot that is, but I figure that it is way too hot for
>my liking, hence the fan.

Hm paper burns at 451 Farenheit (from the novel of the same name).

This is a dangerous thing.  Are you sure you don't have AC problems.

>About the MTBF for heat, I lost my JVC "boombox" one day.  Amplifier chip
>just up and quit.  Nice whisps of smoke.  And you know what? yep, it was
>during a 110 degree day.  MTBF be dammed.  Nobody lives in a test-lab.

But it sounds like you live in an oven  :0(

>My power is not too stable here, but is not
>hopeless, either.

From all your problems I would think your power may be closer to
hopeless than you imagine.

>It all comes down to heat,
>and how much mass there is to absorb it.

Sound like you have hit that one on the head.   

>I am right now replacing my 2nd modem. why? seems that something got fried
>from excessive heat due to overuse(?).

Ah - what a crock.  I bet you had the modem setting where it couldn't
get decent air flow.  I just checked the maximum use I have had on my
modem was 98 Megabytes in one day with a total of 19 hours uucp
connection.  (and it was for logins the most of the remaining 5 hours).

I agree with the heat problems, but you need to investigate the
equipment to make sure it is not airflow problems.

I live in a city that is recorded to be one of the hotter cities in the
US (Orlando,FL).  My wife is a native Floridian who HATES
air-conditioning.  The last time it was on was about 2 years ago during
an early May heat wave with 95-98 degree days for a week or two.

I don't have a problem, and the equipment doesn't - and I make sure I
have adequate airflow - even though ambient is in the 80-90 degree
range for 7-8 months out of the year.


-- 
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From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Newest DAT Players in Japan
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:04:35 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Does anybody know the lastest DAT players available in Japan as
the date of NOV. 13, 1992? While I was in Japan this summer I have seen
Sony DAT 3000ES, 1500ES, and 750ES at Namba area in Osaka city.
Besides these models I wonder other better DAT players are available.
If possible, do you know the prices of them(don't matter in Yen or US $)?
Thanks.
 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Subject: Re: Speaker Ramblings (Infinity RS2001)
Reply-To: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:51:15 GMT
Keywords: Things that go boom, and sometimes tweet :)

I have a little pair of Infinity RS 2001 bookshelf speakers that
I like alot.  Considering my limitations on space and budget, I
think they sound pretty good for the $180 I paid for them.  They
don't shake the house with sound, but they are well suited to my
80 w/c setup.   8^)
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: henry@monod.Biol.McGill.CA (Henry Pasternack)
Subject: Question on choke-input filters.
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:33:59 GMT

   I'd like to know more about practical choke-input filters
for vacuum tube power amplifiers.  My biggest concern has to
do with filter bounce.  Specifically, is there a tendency for
a filter with a large LC product to generate resonant voltage
spikes when the envelope frequency of the musical waveform is
close to the filter resonant frequency?

   I have a couple of reasons for wanting to use a choke-input
filter.  Primarily, I have some transformers with 1000VCT
secondaries and a capacitor-input filter gives me too much B+
voltage (around 700VDC), while a choke-input filter produces
a more reasonable 450V.  The second reason is that choke-input
filters have superior regulation.

   If you have bona-fide experience with choke-input filters
in this type of application, I'd like to hear from you.  Thanks.

-Henry
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: So? Anyone have dcc yet?
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:05:28 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.audio, schuster@shell.portal.com (Michael Alan Schuster) writes:
>So, dcc is supposed to be on sale.

It's not on sale, but I got to see one at Kemp Mill today.  They had
a demo tape at the counter (but no player).

I got to see it because I asked the saleswoman if she had ever hear of
the Sony MD.  She gave me a blank look.  I then asked about DCC.  She
handed me one.  Score one for Philps marketing!  Sony get off your
butt.

She said DCC would be comming out in a couple of months.  She obviouslly
didn't know much about it and was just repeating what she had heard.

She also said that cassette tapes were going to be phased out and would
be gone in two years.

Curt
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From: ballen@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Bruce Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.multimedia
Subject: looking for used subwoofer, active crossover, amp
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:15:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

Hi,
	I'm looking for the following bits of gear:
	1. a good used power amp (around 100 watts/channel)
	2. subwoofer
	3. active crossover box
If you've got something to sell, please let me know
at ballen@dirac.phys.uwm.edu.  Ballpark prices are a few
hundred dollars.
	Cheers,
		Bruce Allen
From: bremmer@stsci.edu (Marc H. Bremmer,S402,4458,ADD.11-14-91)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DIY Cutting holes for woofers
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: bremmer@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD


   The best way to do (only) is to make a circle cutting or get one for your router.
It is very simple, you just need a pivot to swing the router around, remember that thing called a compass??  Just drill a pivot hole in the workpiece and have an adjustable pin on the router( hole and pin the same size of course)
using this method you can recess the drivers. it is the only sane way.

Marc
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Surround Speakers
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:11:00 GMT

In article <1ds86dINNcru@agate.berkeley.edu>, kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller) writes:
|> It has come time to add some decent sounding surround sound speakers to my 
|> system.  I have a Kenwood 7030 Pro-Logic Surround receiver with a pair of KHL
|> tower speakers as my fronts (2 12" woofers, 1 5.25" midrange, 1 1" dome 
|> tweeter).
|> 

  I think the best thing to do is take the Audiosource and Infinity (and
whatever else you're considering) home with you and give them a listen
in YOUR room in conjunction with YOUR mains and center speaker.  You might
find one pair sounds better than the other in your listening environment
and thus your decision becomes an easy one.
  Perhaps I'm a bit of a cynic, but I'd be inclined to verify for myself
any claims a salesperson makes (or is the term "salesdroid"? :-).

[lots deleted]

|> 
|> Kevin
|> kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
|> 
|> PS...I know what this is going to start but...What wire should I use on the
|> surround speakers?  I currently use Monster Cable (XP, I think) for the fronts.
|> Would it be wise to use something like Monster Cable for the surrounds as well,
|> or it cheap no-name wire sufficient?
|>

  I have Monster XP for the front as well.  In my case, I didn't think it
cost-effective to run Monster XP to the surrounds (law of diminishing
returns, and all that) so I opted for the cheap no-name stuff.
  BTW, if I remember correctly, the frequency range for the surround
channel is from about 140 Hz to 7 kHz so its not THAT big a deal anyway.

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From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Pro Logic Center channel speakers
Keywords: pro logic
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:23:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.465
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov4.173445.6396@keinstr.uucp> marks@keinstr.uucp (Mike Marks) writes:
>
>What do you use for a center channel if your mains are Magneplanar
>MG-III's.  At 6' high by 2' wide, I can't just stick one of these
>in the center if I want to see the screen.  A traditional "box"
>center channel isn't going to tonally matched to the maggies.  Should
>I just use the phantom mode?

Great!!! Hey Chris, I really didn't pay this guy to post this!! I should
have read all the posts first!

Yeah Mark, I had the same problem (see my other post). I have Maggies on
the sides also. Yes you can get a box to match to the Maggies. I can't
recommend mine because they aren't commercially available. I think the
Advent box works pretty well. Try some out but don't settle for phantom
mode (except for operas).

-grego
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From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:07:33 GMT
Subject: Re: The end of cassettes,   was...Re: So? Anyone have dcc yet?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

> Bottom line is that there are tens of millions of cassette decks,
> auto cassette players, toys, commercial recorders for courts, etc
> in existence and they are certainly not going away in two years, nor
> is the demand for the tapes (both blank and pre-recorded.)  Cassette,
> tapes have been around for many years and they will continue to be
> in the future.
> 
> 

Bill, I agree with your basic position here, but a word of caution:
IF DAT or DCC catches on in a big way, it is not beyond possibility that
the conventional Compact Cassette could vanish in a relatively short time.
For example, how many 8-track systems or cartridges do you see sold these
days?  If, say, DCC offers such a clear advantage over today's cassette
*in the mind of the consumer*, then the cassette could quickly become a
dinosaur, regardless of its true merit.


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mlm2@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark Lee Margolis)
Subject: AV Receiver < $700 reccomendation
Keywords: Receiver AV
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  6 Nov 92 14:13:51 GMT

Can someone recommend to me a good AV receiver under $700.
I was looking at some Sony ES models, Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo,
Technics, Carver, Harmon Kardon, and JVC. Which ones should I
totally avoid? Does Pioneer make decent receivers? How about Sony ES,
JVC (the 905VTN), etc. Please let me know.

- Mark








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From: ljkong@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Lennard J. Kong)
Subject: Re: DIY Cutting holes for woofers
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:18:55 GMT

In article <BxAuC8.BB7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> wakeland@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ray s wakeland) writes:
>I am looking for advice on cutting a 7.375 inch hole in 3/4 inch MDF.  
>DIYourselfers--how do you normally do this?  Do you have to cut it out 
>by hand with a jigsaw, or is there some way to drill a hole this size?
>

  I usually do it with a jigsaw, have never seen any tools which can cut circlesthat large. Its also best to cut the hole a little smaller, then cut the edge ofat an angle to get it to fit the speaker and get a really tight fit.


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