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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Extreme
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:26:16 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep29.140139.6175@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lrose@nestor.uucp (82370s-punskovsky) writes:
>
>I've never considered Extreme to be a Christian band, nor have I ever heard
>them to be.  How do you consider the song "Get the Funk Out" to be related
>to any form of preaching?  I've heard it mentioned before that King's X
>is considered Christian to some people, though with some of their lyrics
>I sort of agree.
>
>
>Lin

Did I ever mention preaching? I just wondered if Extreme is considering
writing songs from a Christian standpoint.. I never even said if they were
a Christian band, much less one that preaches..

Phil

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From: m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Queensryche blegs
Keywords: The Nobility Of Toxic Pharmaceuticals
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:55:59 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


 I just purchased a Queensryche bootleg called The Nobility Of Toxic 
Pharmaceuticals (recorded somewhere in Europe in '89) and it's almost 
unlistenable! I hardly can hear a difference between DeGarmo's guitar 
solos and Tate's singing. :-/
 This is the first time I bought a bootleg album and I'm really 
disappointed. Are there any bootlegs of better sound quality? I would 
really like to hear live their older stuff, that is not included on
Operation: Livecrime. 

m38853v@saha.hut.fi 
Matti Varis
-If you squeeze my lizard, I'll put my snake on you
  I'm a romantic adventure, and I'm reptile too   (Motorhead: Killed By Death) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Christian Metal ???
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:57:47 GMT

In article <1a8pudINNqe0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>
>Maiden's Rime is not religion-specific.  By saying "God" you could be
>saying Allah, Zeus, YHWH, The Trinity, or the nearest tree; the same goes
>for the poem, though it's a safe assumption that Coleridge was Christian.
>

	He was, in fact, one of the major figures in the intellectual 
Christian revival in Europe in the very late 18th and early 19th century,
and during his life he was known for his religious writings about equally
as much as for his poetry and literary criticism. But he (and the other
romantics) really had a new conception of the importance and meaning of
Christianity.  For Coleridge, what mattered most about religion was its
capacity to fulfill emotional chasms in the individual--  an almost psycholo-
logical approach to the importance and significance of religion--  an 
approach that in many ways presaged Kierkegaard, William James, and Freud.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Christian Metal ???
Date: 28 Sep 1992 06:22:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I haven't seen a discussion on alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy yet about
Christian metal bands, so I will start one.

	What do you think about "Christian" metal bands?

	

	I have only heard one Christian band that sounded somewhat
interesting, 
but the limited subjects of the songs bored me shitless (White Cross).
That is not really the biggest problem with the genre though; the term 
"Christian metal" is an oxymoron.  Heavy metal in its various forms
preaches freedom -- freedom from oppression, freedom from reality, freedom
from 
authority, freedom from what ever you want to be free from.  Wether its 
political commentary or just lust, metal is a primarily negative form.  We
love Metallica and Iron Maiden for their brooding darkness, for their 
mirror of our own darker thoughts and feelings.  Maybe that's why a true
metal band doesn't usually deal in soupy ballads, because it violates the
form.  Christian rock is a positive idea, one that tries to spread faith
and the love of a deity.  But metal is not to tell the fans how to live,
it isn't to spread some message that would take away from the free feeling
that the music symbolizes.  I could never mosh or just have a good time at
some party that blared "In God We Trust"; the stuff is preachy and boring.
I feel the same way about satanic metal bands, though for different
reasons.The truly satanic bands, not ones that chase the evil image, a.k.a.
record sales, are also boring as shit.  They sound dark and scary, but they
arealso preaching, and what they preach sounds pretty stupid.  How many
human sacrifices can you listen to?  The Christian bands rebel against evil
and temptation, and the satanic ones boast of it.  Big deal.

	An example of truly religious music, though you don't have to be a 
Christian to feel it, is Bach.  If you listen to his pipe organ pieces,
meant to be played at church, or anything else for that matter, the sheer
beauty and symmetry of it seems to polish the soul.  It is freedom and faith
allin one.

                                              Moses


-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
From: m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
Subject: Dream Theater
Keywords: New album?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:15:49 GMT

Could someone who has DT's new album write and send a short description.
How does it compare to "When Dream And Day Unite"?
I'd like to hear about your listening experiences before I buy it myself.


m38853v@saha.hut.fi 
Matti Varis
 -Nobody knows, and I know nobody cares what goes on in here
(Motorhead:City Kids)
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Queensryche blegs
Keywords: The Nobility Of Toxic Pharmaceuticals
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:20:08 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

>
> I just purchased a Queensryche bootleg called The Nobility Of Toxic 
>Pharmaceuticals (recorded somewhere in Europe in '89) and it's almost 
>unlistenable! I hardly can hear a difference between DeGarmo's guitar 
>solos and Tate's singing. :-/
> This is the first time I bought a bootleg album and I'm really 
>disappointed. Are there any bootlegs of better sound quality? I would 
>really like to hear live their older stuff, that is not included on
>Operation: Livecrime. 
>
In interviews, Chris De Garmo said that some of the early home videos of the
band and their live recordings like QUEEN OF THE REICH were actually bootlegs
that Sony and EMI bought and released. He didn't name QUEEN OF THE REICH
specifically, but I happened to see that album around and I've never heard 
that to be an official album. It's got live versions of the stuff off the
EP and I have a feeling that this was taken from The Warning tour in Japan.

philip
PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Keywords: New album?
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:06:37 GMT

In article <djd.717775294@reading> djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins) writes:
>m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:
>
>>Could someone who has DT's new album write and send a short description.
>>How does it compare to "When Dream And Day Unite"?
>>I'd like to hear about your listening experiences before I buy it myself.
>
>
>    Come to that, could anyone post an albumography, please?
>
>    Ta!
>
>-dave

That's pretty easy, they only have two.

when Day and Dream Unite <don't know the label. Mechanix or something>
Images and Words <Atlantic>

There ya go.

					--Judex--
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:17:14 EDT
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater's first release..

I have an interview with DT tonite (6 october 1992) and this is one of the
questions I have lined up...

Tell ya later, eh...

Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: lrose@nestor.uucp (82370s-punskovsky)
Subject: Re: Extreme
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:01:39 GMT


I've never considered Extreme to be a Christian band, nor have I ever heard
them to be.  How do you consider the song "Get the Funk Out" to be related
to any form of preaching?  I've heard it mentioned before that King's X
is considered Christian to some people, though with some of their lyrics
I sort of agree.


Lin
From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater TOUR DATES!
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:41:43 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: mds5142@ultb

In article <1992Sep30.102338.9906@muppet.bt.co.uk> bart@muppet.bt.co.uk writes:
>You say its a world tour.
>
>Then please post the British dates...
>
>thanx in advance
>
>Tim

:)  I believe you mistook 'word' for 'world'.  It is the Images and
Words Tour.  But they DID say they would be adding more dates, and I
don't know if they plan to tour out of North America or not, but I'll be
posting more dates as I know of them!  IMHO, if these guys continue what
they are doing and follow what they believe, they will have as strong 
(or stronger) of a following as Rush does and they will be touring the
WORLD in no time!

Dream On!

Mike
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*   mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu   *  But there's one thing you could do  *
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From: cassidy@cps.msu.edu (John J Cassidy)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Extreme
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:46:36 GMT
Reply-To: cassidy@cps.msu.edu (John J Cassidy)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: cassidy@nuthatch.cps.msu.edu


[ Unattributed Quote, here ...]
>
>> I love those guys.  I wouldnt really call them metal though.


	I might feel the same way.  I might have at one
time.  But in the tribute concert to Freddy Mercury, they did
a medley containing some kicking versions of songs like 
"Stone Cold Crazy".  The drums thundered and the guitar 
cut.  I don't think I would doubt their status as a metal 
band after hearing them that night.  I was almost convinced
that they did a harder version of "Crazy" then Metallica's
cover.


	Definately more metal than Poison, Def Lepard, etc.

	It's up to you.....

	John J Cassidy		cassidy@cps.msu.edu
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman DC)
Subject: Re: Extreme
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:43:16 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Sep30.033010.382@nmsu.edu> rarubio@dante.nmsu.edu writes:
> Wait a sec, Is this the same Extreme Im think of... The one with
> Nuno Bettencourt as lead guitarist?  From what I remember of their
> second album a lot of the songs were basically about sex. (Well,
> Pornografiti, Suzi, L'il Jack Horny, and... uhm... It's a Monster).
> They are a Christian band?  Strange.

Actually the songs "about" sex are AGAINST sex, well, maybe porn. That
is (correct me if (as?) I'm wrong) against the fact that porn is all arond 
you, all the ads in the papers, the porn magazines, prostitution, the
attitudes you get from home and from your friends about sex, and so on.

As far as Christianity goes, take a look at the cover of Pornograffitti
where they have this default "thanx to":

	Pornograttitudes: God,... (followed by their families and so on).

But the only song that is "about" God, is probably Hole Hearted, so you're
right, if you listen to the lyrics on Pornograffitti there aren't many
"clues".

> I love those guys.  I wouldnt really call them metal though.

I usually call it Funk Metal, though that only covers some og their
music.

Regards,
-=HeGe=-

Kaj Haggman             Internet: Hege@abo.fi     Phone:   +358-21-654467
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: donnell@mantaray.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater TOUR DATES!
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:18:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.024143.10286@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.102338.9906@muppet.bt.co.uk> bart@muppet.bt.co.uk writes:
>>You say its a world tour.
>>
>>Then please post the British dates...
>>
>>thanx in advance
>>
>>Tim
>
>:)  I believe you mistook 'word' for 'world'.  It is the Images and
>Words Tour.  But they DID say they would be adding more dates, and I
>don't know if they plan to tour out of North America or not, but I'll be
>posting more dates as I know of them!  IMHO, if these guys continue what
>they are doing and follow what they believe, they will have as strong 
>(or stronger) of a following as Rush does and they will be touring the
>WORLD in no time!
>
>Dream On!
>
>Mike

The local "metal" station just added "Pull Me Under" to their playlist.
Now I have a reason to listen to the damn thing!

					--Judex--
From: djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Keywords: New album?
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:01:34 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:

>Could someone who has DT's new album write and send a short description.
>How does it compare to "When Dream And Day Unite"?
>I'd like to hear about your listening experiences before I buy it myself.


    Come to that, could anyone post an albumography, please?

    Ta!

-dave


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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: MAILINGLIST: Screaming in Digital (Queensryche)
Keywords: get the address straight, folks! :)
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:13:48 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

I wrote:

>To subscribe to _Screaming in Digital_, send mail to:

>	queensryche-request@pilot.njin.net

Several people have sent mail to queensryche@pilot.njin.net asking to be
subscribed.  DON'T do this.  "queensryche@pilot.njin.net" is not the
subscription address, and exists for a different purpose.  If you mail
queensryche@pilot.njin.net asking to be subscribed, I do _not_ promise
you will be subscribed at all, and if you are, the process will be
unnecessarily delayed.

	Thanks,

		-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:29:15 GMT
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof


>By the way what are they like live?

They're really good...Mike Portnoy is great to watch.
He's playing incredible stuff, but he's still insane.
They'll usually do a guitar/bass solo that's pretty
amazing.  I saw them do a really cool Beatles medley
a few years ago...I'd like to think that they'll do
that again, but it's hard to say.  I'd also like to
think that they'll play "Change of Season", which is
that monster 20-minute epic, but 20 minutes of song
that people don't know isn't likely.  Anyway, they're
definitely worth seeing.


s
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Christian Metal ???
Date: 29 Sep 1992 05:35:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mojo@reed.edu (The Man Who Lived On Top Of The Sun) says:

>
>I think most bands that start with a message and try to build music around
>it get boring fast; this is at least as true of political subjects as
>religious ones.  (I'm thinking of ten thousand bad protest folksingers here.)
>The monotonous, subject-obsessive Christian metal is, I think, made by
>people who either: (1) think faith is a workable substitute for creativity;
>or (2) don't distinguish between their identities and their religions.
>
>By just about any standard, King's X is a Christian metal band; I believe
>Fates Warning is as well.  There are probably others we don't know about.
>Presumably these are people who find Christianity to be a source of freedom,
>rather than an impediment to it.  (I don't entirely understand how people
>reconcile their individuality with *any* organized religion---but it seems
>to work for lots of them.)
>
>Note, too, Maiden's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner": "To teach God's word by
>his own example/That we must love all things that God made."  I don't know
>if the sentiments are shared by the band, or just inherited from the
>original poem.
>
>Damn, this is disorganized.  I thjink I've had too much coffee.

It's not too bad.  Seems like the best time to do this is at 2:00 am.

Maiden's Rime is not religion-specific.  By saying "God" you could be
saying Allah, Zeus, YHWH, The Trinity, or the nearest tree; the same goes
for the poem, though it's a safe assumption that Coleridge was Christian.


                                               Moses
 
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 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Extreme
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:36:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.064651.14111@abo.fi> HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman DC) writes:
>In <1992Sep28.021148.6955@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
>> 
>> What's the big deal with these bands now? Extreme has two songs on their
>> new album - "Our Father" and "God Isn't Dead?"... hmm... produced by Nuno
>> nonetheless... I know that Gary Cherone was interviewed in Heaven's Metal
>> a few years ago... I wonder..
>> Also I heard some things in the Christian leaning department with War
>> Babies and Babylon A.D... 
>> I wanna know the big deal... it'd sure be cool!
>
>As far as I know they've always been a "Christian" band as far as lyrics
>go, they've just never been pushing that message to their fans (you won't
>hear any "Halleluja's" in their concerts :-)
>
>I think that's a great attitude, I don't mind their lyrics, especially
>as they tell about other things about our society, too.
>
>And best of all - THEY MAKE GREAT MUSIC!
>
>-=HeGe=-
>
>Kaj Haggman             Internet: Hege@abo.fi     Phone:   +358-21-654467
>Abo Akademi University  Bitnet:   Hege@finabo     FAX:     +358-21-654497
>Computing Center        PSImail:  22101410::HEGE
>SF-20500 Abo, FINLAND   X.400:    s=hege o=abo prmd=inet admd=fumail c=fi  

I had always heard that Gary Cherone was a Christian for at least 7
years.. lately I hear that Nuno wrote the more "Christian" tunes on the
album (i.e., "God Isn't Dead?" and "Our Father").. 

Phil

PS: Ever heard of DBM? They're a band from Finland currently touring!

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From: rarubio@dante.nmsu.edu (RUBIO)
Subject: Re: Extreme
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:30:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.064651.14111@abo.fi> HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman DC) writes:
>
>As far as I know they've always been a "Christian" band as far as lyrics
>go, they've just never been pushing that message to their fans (you won't
>hear any "Halleluja's" in their concerts :-)
>
>I think that's a great attitude, I don't mind their lyrics, especially
>as they tell about other things about our society, too.
>
>And best of all - THEY MAKE GREAT MUSIC!
>
>-=HeGe=-

Wait a sec, Is this the same Extreme Im think of... The one with
Nuno Bettencourt as lead guitarist?  From what I remember of their
second album a lot of the songs were basically about sex. (Well,
Pornografiti, Suzi, L'il Jack Horny, and... uhm... It's a Monster).
They are a Christian band?  Strange.

Oh yeah, there is a Halleluja at the beginning of ... the name escapes
me.  In Money We Trust I think is in the title.

I love those guys.  I wouldnt really call them metal though.

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: joeg@meaddata.com (Joe Gayda)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Keywords: New album?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:05:59 GMT
Distribution: na

The new Dream Theater album is excellent!  If I had to summarize the
style of music in one word I'd just say "Metush".  The music of Dream Theater
has the synergy and musical composition similar to Rush, and has been
distinctively changed to include hard hitting metal guitar, similar to
earlier albums of Metallica.  It is not speed metal, it is not heavy
metal.  There are 2 or 3 slower songs on the album that are very well
written, but I'm more interested in the "high energy" songs.  I get
bored always listing to the same song format.  Verse, Chorus, Verse,
Chorus, Solo, Bridge, Chorus....  Several of the Dream Theater songs
are over 8 or 9 minutes long.  If you don't listen to the whole song,
you have missed some excellent music.   

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