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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Drug Testing/Types of LSD
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:50:25 GMT

kkwast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kevin A. Kwast) writes:
: I'm still interested in people's views about what drugs can be tested, how
: long a drug remains testable, and the accuracy of various tests.  Also, has
: anyone heard about testing by analyzing a sample of hair?

I think there is a FAQ in this subject.

With the right tests, they are infallible - unless the lab techs screw up.

Other tests will produce false positives or negatives. The percentages depend
on the drug, the test and how long since consumption.

The hair test exists. By all reports, it is more inaccurate than any of the
others.

: As an occasional lsd user, I've just seen acid dropped onto specially printed
: paper.  It seems that this practice is fairly widespread, and that "types"
: of acid can be recognized by the printing of the paper (in this case, stars
: and stripes).  Up to this point, I've only seen it dropped onto plain paper.
: Is acid dropped onto these special papers originating from one national
: source?  Does anyone know any characteristics of these different types?

I don't know what you mean by "types" of lsd.

People use the various patterns on blotter acid to identify the batch - or
at least, the maker. I am surprised that you have only seen it on plain
blotter - it is usual to use some sort of decorated blotter for the doses.

I don't know what you mean by "types" of lsd.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ciamac@whitechapel.media.mit.edu (Ciamac Moallemi)
Subject: Re: CBS 48 hours on LSD ;)
Reply-To: ciamac@media.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:24:55 GMT

I thought it was supposed to be ABC's Nightline.
From: alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security clearances -
Date: 1 Jan 1993 13:54:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1993Jan1.202158.10900@netcom.com> cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:

>Conclusion: volunteer nothing, but don't lie.  If you aren't polygraphed
>now, you might be later.

Polygraphs aren't lie detectors, they're stress/fear detectors, and
unreliable ones at that. I know of people who, when faced with the "magic"
of a polygraph, simply confessed. In one study I read (disputed by poly-
graph manufacturers), the accuracy was in the 70% range - that is, just
20% or so above pure chance. What was more disturbing was that most of the
errors were false positives, that is, the operator thought the subject
was lying when he or she was telling the truth. This apparently occurred
in some people more than others, presumably those who were nervous about
being polygraphed in the first place.

Back before Texas woke up to these facts and banned the practice, I had to
take a polygraph test as a condition of employment. That's when I looked
up these studies and found out the useful information that people who
have practiced mental control exercises (such as yoga, meditation, etc.)
could fool polygraphs much more often than others. When I went in for
the test, I was surprised to find that the tester only measured respira-
tion rate and pulse rate, but NOT blood pressure or galvanic skin response
as in the more reliable polygraphs referred to in the studies I had read.
All I did was concentrate on my breathing, try not to *think* about the
questions being asked but just answer automatically, and relax as much
as possible.

I lied through my teeth and passed with flying colors.

If you don't pass, you could always dispute the results and ask them
to repeat the test. As I said, I think that testers often rely on 
intimidation to elicit confessions rather than the polygraph results
themselves.
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Acid in Holland
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:47:23 GMT

James D. Del Vecchio (bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: In a previous article, an3933@anon.penet.fi () says:
 ...
: >Bart       300 ug      Eight squares constitutes one Bart Simpson 
: >                       Bitter taste. Popular.
: 
: 	How do you know these figures are true?  Because someone told 
: you?  In the US people also make claims of 200-300 ug, but it's still 
: 20-100 ug all the same.

Ummm, Jim, you keep saying this.  Do _you_ have some backup for this,
other than someone once posted something to that effect on this froup?

I believe that 20ug would have very very little effect on the average
individual, and would certainly not be enough for the "standard trip."
I'd believe that street LSD is 20% lighter than advertised, but not 
80% lighter.  If the relative proportions are roughly correct, it's 
still useful to the average tripper to know that blotter X is 3 times
as strong as blotter Y, whether it's 300ug to 100ug, or 240ug to 80ug.

: Bitter taste?  LSD has no taste.

See Shulgin, 'PiHKAL', pp. 20-21, in which an intelligent but drug-naive
analytical chemist accidentally tastes about 80ug of pure LSD.  "Odorless
yes, and colorless when completely pure, yes, but tasteless, no.  It is
slightly bitter."  I sometimes noticed a kind of metallic taste when I 
chewed a blotter for faster absorption; I had always put it down to
suggestion, but now I know better.

(Of course, that proves nothing about the bitter taste on these particular
blotters.)

  -- Clifton
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From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Activation of DMT and DET in 'rooms
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:51:25 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Dec24.162039.7890@shearson.com>, anon@foo.bar (a f) writes:
> It is stated in the LSD FAQ that  "The mushroom psylocybin cubensis
> contains all four of these indole derivatives [ DMT, DET, psylocin, psylocybin], as well as others". As we all know, DMT and DET are not orally active since MAO enzymes in

psilocybin is certainly the major alkaloid, and psilocin a close
second. I had heard of other indoles such as gramine, baeocystin,
etc. turning up, but I have never read a paper claiming DMT or DET
in mushrooms. Not to say that there isn't, but I'd like to
see a reference first.

> the stomach 'destroy' them. However, in the psylocybin  section of the 
> _Psychedelic Encyclopedia_ it is stated that if mushrooms are chewed thoroughly for 
> approximately five minutes prior to ingestion, the psylocibin will hit in approx. 2-3 
> minutes after that, since a good deal of it s absorbed thru the mucous lining in the
> mouth.

I have had them hit in the time it took to eat them (a few minutes)
> 
> Now, if that is the case,would not the other indole derivatives such as DMT and DET be
> absorbed thru there as well, thus bypassing the MAO's in the stomach?
> Or are there MAO enzymes in the saliva that would render them inactive?

Someone else will tell us if there is MAO in saliva - I suspect there is.
Chewing pure DMT (YUK!) doesn't work, and I suspect the same could be said
for DET. Even if there were no MAO in saliva, it would be damnded
hard to absorb 50 mg of DMT through the mouth in the necessary
few seconds for activity.

Incidently, McKenna claims, I believe, that mushrooms are potentiated
by harmaline. Whether this is the activation of otherwise inactive
tryptamines (which I doubt given their low proportions) or
whether it is because of a psiloc(yb)in-harmaline interaction,
is not known.
>            
Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MPTP (was Re: MDMA and self-esteem)
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:47:12 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>MPTP is oxidized _in vivo_ to MPP+, the toxic species.  I think
>deprenyl showed some indication in preventing the oxidation.

I read that inhibition of MAO in general worked.  I'm not sure about
MAO-A inhibitors, however, which might not work if deprenyl works...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 03:43:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp
com (bill nelson) writes:
>aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>: 
>:  While reading this post I got a silly idea: What if during the proces
 of
>: tripping, one encountered a stimulus or stimuli that, induced the brai

>: into rewiring itself in a random way? (By brain, I mean the cortex) I 
ean
>: these stimuli are certainly elusive, but conceivably thewy could exist

>: And what might it take to rehabilitate a victim of this hypothetical
>: affliction. By no means am I suggesting this as a proscription against
the
>: use of LSD or any other hallucinogen. But it judst seemed an interesti
g
>: possibility. It wouldn't necessarilly have to be random either. Some
>: overwhelming stimulus may ber able to render a tripper vegatative. I h
ve
>: no idea how frequently such an event could occur. (Please no flames on
>: this, just discussion. I'm not out to spread myths and fear...) 
>
>Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becom
ng
>a vegetable due to LSD usage.
>
>Bill


 
 In so many words, but I'm sure, many a susceptible individual has had a
psychotic break precipitated, some perhaps permant, most eventually
remitted.

St. Anthony
 
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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cats and LSD
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:55:03 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>As far as I know wild animals (cats included) eat hallucinogenic plants on
>purpose.  Can anyone confirm or refute this?

     Yes. See _Intoxication_ by Ronald K. Siegel, published by Pocket Books.
A must-read for anyone concerned with drug policy.

===============================================================================
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     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:11:41 -0500 
From: "Aaron R. Miller" <am49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's Drummer)

On 21-Dec-92 in Brain Damage from LSD (Pink..
user Pertinax@raley.Gwinnett. writes:
>I've read some of the earlier posts about the apocryphal LSD "vegetable" and
>was wondering about the case I always hear about:  the drummer from Pink 
>Floyd.  I don't know his name, or much about him- but the rumors I've heard
>for years claim that he took to much LSD, and now lives with his mother and
>can't remember being in the band.  Is there any truth to this at all, or is it
>a classic UL?  Please don't flame me over this, as I have no personal 
>knowledge of LSD's long term effects, if any.

i think you're referring to syd barrett the original guitarist and
founder of the band.  he was an acid casualty and is reputed to be
living with his mother in cambridge or somewhere.  he still can't handle
a nine to five job.

aaron
From: markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Chromium What ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:13:50 GMT
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	<1992Dec20.114435.1@wharton.upenn.edu>
Organization: Portland State University, CS Dept.
In-reply-to: mccoy39@wharton.upenn.edu's message of 20 Dec 92 16:44:35 GMT


>Does anyone know if taking niacin results...

I don't know any _real_ details about what niacin does to help you relax,
but I recall hearing somewhere that it does something which effects the
same receptors as diazapam (sp? valium).  Probably best to ask over in
alt.psychoactives.  

Before anyone out there runs off and ODs on niacin, large quantities can 
mess up your liver chemisty, and won't buy you any increase in the 
tranquilizing effect.  To relax 500 mg is plenty.  It may cause you to
feel flushed and have tingling sensations in your extremities.  It's very
acidic, if you take it on an empty stomach you may want to follow it with
an antacid about 20 minutes later.

If you want to use it to help reduce your blood cholestorol you should
talk to a doctor (Doctors _do_ recommend it for this purpose).

     --Mark
     markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu

	
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholism
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:30:56 GMT

ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:

>With a good setting and positive expectations some of those alcoholics
>should get a plus-four or a near plus-four magical experience if given a
>large dose of acid, which would make them enjoy life and stop drinking.

   Still, I suppose you understand that even if a method that guarantees
plus-fours were discovered, it would not be bound to make everyone who
experienced them enjoy life, much less an alcoholic stop drinking. Such things
take more than just a good trip.
--
Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: Drugs + +
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:27:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.232457.18314@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec09.142410.27690@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>>    Although there's probably no way to "prove" who's right on this one, I
>>always assumed that "mother's little helper" was Valium.  The song
>
>You assumed wrong, or I'm full of shit.

It's hard to tell.  There's a line about Mother needing something to
calm her down.  But also, "gets her on her way, helps her through her
busy day."

I think Valium would have been out by that time, but Abbott did have
little yellow Desoxyn pills (methamphetamine (15mg!) but I think they
were a type of timed-release).  Smith-Kline-French had a nice selection
of capsule amphetamines.
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       Hoeren Sie gut zu,
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            und wiederholen Sie!
Columbus, Ohio                             -- ALM German
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: Chris_Walsh@mindlink.bc.ca (Chris Walsh)
Subject: Peyote.
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:23:29 GMT

A friend of mine was talking about her peyote experiences in the past
recently. She made a few claims that seemed to me to be completely inane...
one, that one "popper" of peyote would get her high for three days. The other
was involving dairy products. I am aware the peyote is a MAO inhibitor, and
that there are a number of things that you shouldn't have in your system when
ingesting a MAO inhibitor such as dairy products... I once took a yohimbe
bark mixture that was a MAO inhibitor, and I had a number of taboo things in
my system, but it did nothing more to me than make me really nauseous. She
claims that by ingesting a single creamer in her coffee the morning before
taking the peyote, it caused her to go nearly completely catatonic.

Both of these claims seem a little outrageous to me.... any backup on this?
--
Chris F. Walsh                            (Chris_Walsh@mindlink.UUCP)
Vancouver, B.C., Canada                          Voice:(604) 943-9273

"So this is hell. Who'd have thought it? Where's the flame, the stake, the
 gridiron? No need of a gridiron. Hell? It's other people."
                                       - Jean-Paul Sartre, "Huis Clos"
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:16:14 GMT

ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
: In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: > Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becoming
: > a vegetable due to LSD usage.
: 
: Although plenty of people have thought thay they've become vegetables
: on acid :-)

Can you provide some documentation? No one else has. If there are plenty
of people who have believed that, there should be some medical citations
that you can provide.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: alcoholics trying lsd on usenet
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:07:18 PST


a little truth:

anything can be addictive; masturbation can be addictive, eating, etc. and most
of it is only partially physical.  the mind is grasping for anything it can
find in these roughstomach nietzschean days...love addiction, sex addiction,
food addiction...strange...

alcoholism, is, i believe a physical disease.  i have more reason to know than
most of you, given the usual profile of people on here (much more into the
so-called illicit drugs than alcohol).  alcohol is dangerous shit, and
alcoholism is a slippery term -- you can be an alcoholic on two beers a year. 
very few people understand it or want to; alcohol's legal, so no one's gonna
say it's that unsafe.  it's not.  it's an extremely predictable drug, so you
can tell when to avoid it, but like anything else it is best in moderation. 
i'm sure you can fry your brain on LSD; I'm sure you can fry your brain on
water.  debating the extremes is solipsistic.

i'd try heroin before i'd try cocaine.  some drugs strike me as really bad for
my personality.  i bet if i took coke i'd end up like my father, an asshole
(some of course are saying at this point that i am an asshole, which is
simple-minded, not unlike the music of the red hot chilipeppers or, say, the
riffs of ministry or the lyrics of stevie ray vaughan).  i bet if i took heroin
i'd resemble my dead relatives.

so sure, you can burn out on anything.  even the masturbator addicted will rub
himself raw.  lsd, mdma, whatever.  alcohol included -- you can bottom out, and
then go beyond, where you don't want to do anything but want to be in motion. 
it's horrible (of course, this is only what i hear).

ever come out of a three day blackout?  (i hear) it's completely disorienting
and horrible.  ever drink something disgusting because you needed it (medicine
not included)?  i'm told it's just rank, yet satisfying.  i'm told, i'm told.

so yeah, addiction is part of any drug, even the ones your body produces.  ask
the marathon runner.  id oubt anyone will ever face this, beccause we're all
looking for easy answers like "LSD is safe" or "LSD is evil" or "if you just
give someone this magic pink pill/tab/shot, they'll be just fine and see how
great life is."

i think we are all liars.

and i'm told alcoholics are liars, but i see too many who have seen the abyss,
recognized it, and then headed for the bottle -- who admit it, know it as
religion, and sing their own kind of blues.  i've heard so, anyway.

shed your rage

malevolessence
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Bill's Billy, Roger (was Re: Some anonymous posts)
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:40:01 GMT
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In article <1992Dec26.083952.2769@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
> : 
> : ----------------
> : Does anyone have some insights on good ol' civil forfeiture and the supreme
> : court ruling on the constitutionality of such?  I recall mention that a case
> : was going to transpire but then was delayed.  Do you know the facts?  When is
> : the new court date?
> : 
> : Or is there hope that President Clinton will intervene?  Does anyone know of
> : his feelings and plans on the matter of CivForf?
> 
> I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
> support anything involved with the WOD.

Immediately after US presidential election, I posted an article entitled
"Clinton's Brother" or some such thing.  In yon article I described my
impressions of Roger Clinton after seeing him interviewed by Buck Henry. 

(I'd repost the article, but I trashed it)

My impression of Roger Clinton was that he's a seriously disturbed guy, and I
can easily believe that Roger Clinton might have been in such a state of
addiction that intervention was necessary to save his life.  If you recall the
Rolling Stone thread from a few months back, Clinton was quoted as saying that
he absolutely believed that he saved his brother's life by calling the cops.  

Reality check: I'm utterly against prohibition, *but* if someone I loved was
spiralling to hir [sic] death, I'd do whatever it took to avert such a cruel 
fate.I'd rather have a sibling w/ a record than a headstone.  

If you know anyone who taped _Comedy Central_  on election night, I urge you to
borrow their tape and cue up the Buck Henry-Roger Clinton interview.  It's
instructive. 

[requoting  billn@hpcvacc]
> I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
> support anything involved with the WOD.

Lets start a discussion on Bill Clinton's choice for Surgeon General-- I
believe I was the first person to inform the net that medical marijuana is 
on the horizon because of this choice (finessing here, because I can't remember
the prospective SG's name)-- but noone seems terribly excited.

Appointing a Surgeon General who favors legalizing medical mj does *NOT* sound
like unyeilding support of the Wo(s)D.

Anyone got anymore news on the Surgeon General story??
does anyone care?

happy-happy.max


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