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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:05:55 EDT
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Subject:      Safe Sex? #1
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Subject: Safe Sex? #1


    Remember the talk sometime back about passing out condoms? Well...
Also, this may have an indirect message about all the teenage
pregnancies and all the abortion talks. If God's rules were followed,
there would be a lot less to talk about. See what you think. This is
part 1 of 4. I'll post 1 part a night.

    LTC. Robert Redfield, M.D. - Walter Reed Army Inst. of Research. -
"Condoms are not safe, they're dangerous. Sex with a condom with an
infected person is not protected. It's very unprotected. It's very, very
dangerous. "

    Dr. Lorraine Day, M.D. - Orthopedic Surgeon. - "Even former Surgeon
General Koop  has said 'Let's pass out condoms. Let's teach kids how to
have safe sex.' Well there is no safe sex, and we must tell our children
the truth."

    Stanley Monteith, M.D. - Orthopedic Surgeon. - "If you want to play
Russian Roulette in the lottery of death, a lottery where there is no
winners, only losers, use a condom. Be sure to use a condom because it
gives you some degree of protection. But understand there's about a 1% a
month failure rate, probably about 15% failure rate a year with a 100%
fatal disease. Do you really want to take that chance and risk your life,
your entire future for a moments pleasure? If you have any intelligence,
you won't do it."


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    * How Safe Is "Safe Sex" Medically? - The John Ankerberg Show. *
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    If you want to know what doctors think about how safe "safe sex"
really is, we invite you to join us for today's program.

    John: Welcome, the message to practice "safe sex" and to use a condom
is being taught to our children in the public schools, and is widely
heralded on national television. Since the lives of our children depend
on the extravagant claims being made for this thin semi-transparent
product, it would seem wise to ask, "Just how 'safe' is 'safe sex'?"

    Since this is a question for the medical profession, we begin by
turning to Dr. Lorraine Day, who for 15 years was chief of orthopedic
surgery at San Francisco General Hospital. She was also an associate
professor at the University of California, San Francisco Medical School.

    She explains why our young people were urged to wear condoms in the
first place, namely, the extent of the AIDS epidemic. Listen,


    Day: The CDC that keeps track of these statistics, says that there
are 200,000 people in this country who have AIDS. What they don't tell
you is, that is the terminal state of the infection. In other words,
those are the people who are in their last year or two of life. The
people who are infected with HIV, who have not gotten sick yet, are many,
many times more.

    From the time that you get infected, until you get sick, can be as
long as 10-12 years. You look healthy, you act healthy, and if you do not
get tested, you don't even know that you have the disease, and you can
transmit it during all those 10 to 12 years to any of your sexual
partners, or by giving blood, or anyone who contacts your body fluids.

    So we're keeping the numbers low by only talking about the people who
have AIDS. The CDC says there are about 1 million people infected with
HIV in America. But they haven't changed that statistic in 4 years. They
have had the same number, 1 million, for 4 years. That means nobody else
has gotten infected with this disease. Others, including the General
Accounting Office of the government, another governmental agency, says
that the CDC has under estimated by at least 33%. And then a think tank,
the Hudson Institute says that there are many more infected than that, in
fact some estimates of other agencies feel that right now there are
between 3 and 7 million infected with HIV infection in this country.

    All those people will eventually get AIDS and die. But all of them
right now are contagious through their blood and body fluids to other
individuals. The CDC estimates that only 14% of the people who are HIV
infected know that they are HIV infected. If we had routine wide spread
testing we would be able to identify to the public health department the
people who have this disease and we would be able to get this epidemic
under control. We don't have that much time.


    John: Now even though the deadly AIDS virus is spreading and claiming
more lives, I find it interesting that on our university campuses, the
message of safe sex has changed, and now it's not so safe. I asked Josh
McDowell who has talked to more university students than any other
lecturer on the circuit to explain:

    Josh: I believe it's un-medically sound. There's no medically sound
advise there and I can document that from some of the top experts in this
area. And I think it's the easy way out.

    For example, when it comes to saying, "Safe Sex". Where we have been
hood-winked, and a lot of people don't realize it, about 1981-82, Dr.
Ruth, Planned Parenthood, and others started propagating the whole
concept  "safe sex, safe sex, wear a condom, safe sex. Be responsible,
Have safe sex." But what most people haven't realized, those people are
no longer using that term now. You hardly ever hear the use of the term,
"Safe Sex". They have switched with out telling everyone, to the concept
of "Safer Sex". And why have they done that? Because they have found out
there is no such thing as "Safe Sex, and wear a condom". And yet we have
a whole group of people, over 10, 12, 13 years that has been
indoctrinated with the concept "Wear a condom. Safe Sex."

    I lecture in universities. I went to a university... Every university
I go to, I go into their health center and I just pick up their flyers.
Here's one on Herpes. It says, "That even condoms don't guarantee safety.
Some types of Herpes sores occur in places not covered by a condom."
That's a pamphlet put out by the American Social Health Association, in
Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, distributed in universities. And
right there it's saying, "There's no such thing as 'Safe Sex'."

    You go to another one in a university here. This is a publication of
the American College Health Association, says "Using condoms during sex:
The proper use of condoms greatly reduces the chances of transmitting
HIV, but it has not been proven that condoms eliminate the risk of AIDS."

    When it comes to the whole concept "Safe Sex". do you know why
they're not saying that anymore? Safe Sex? For this reason, by Planned
Parenthood's own documentation, the average failure rate, statistical
failure rate, of somebody 17 years old or younger, using a condom 100% of
the time, for birth control, is 18.6% failure rate. Now, you can only get
pregnant maybe 3 days a month, 36 days a year. But yet, a 17 year old or
younger, wearing a condom *100%* of the time for birth control, you still
have an 18.6%, almost 1 out of 5% failure rate, in just 36 days a year.

    But you can get AIDS and other STDs 365 days a year, 31 days a month
including February. You know if you have an 18.6% failure rate for just
36 days a year, what is it for 365 days a year? When it comes to
pregnancy, only the woman can get pregnant. When it comes to STDS, both
the man *and* the woman can get them. That geometrically multiplies it.

    And so, you'd have to say, to really have "Safe Sex" a condom would
have to be 10 times more effective for STDs than for pregnancy.

In His Love,

  Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE
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