HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov (Richard Spear)
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:09:23 GMT

Jim Baltaxe (maven@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) wrote:
: In article <Bvs8ry.JtM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar) writes:
: >Hello folks,
: >
: >	Ya know, I don't really mind all this hub-bub about breasts -- in
: >retrospect it might even be funny.  However, what's really starting to annoy
: >me ad nauseum are all these damn posts written in foreign languages!  8-)
: >
: >	Anyone out there know what I mean?
: >
: >--Zerxes
: 
: I think I do - so let's not get into a language-ist flame war!
: 
: I do have another small comment, which I am a bit cautious about
: making because so much of the preceeding discussion was in another
: language which I haven't the strength to puzzle out (I am hoping that
: I could do so on the basis of my limited knowledge of german):
: 
: I am wondering whether there was a serious question buried in amongst
: all the tittering (ouch - I couldn't resist it :-) and whether anybody
: might get around to answering it. Is the Western/Dutch/whatever
: fascination with female breast size & shape anthropologically (read
: cross-culturally) significant in some definable way?
: 
: BTW why is the net traffic always so bloody PREDICTABLE!?!
: 
: 
: 
: 
: -- 
: Jim Baltaxe - jim.baltaxe@vuw.ac.nz
: Computing Services Centre - Victoria University of Wellington - New Zealand
: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
: Time is such a valuable commodity because they're not making it any more.



there was an earlier thread on this topic in this newsgroup - i'm sure 
that it is available somewhere...

--
richard
rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov
all disclaimers apply
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: jeroenp@rulfc1.LeidenUniv.nl (Jeroen W. Pluimers)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: Dept. FMC, Gorlaeus Labs, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:25:28 GMT

In article <mrs.718546924@athena.research.ptt.nl> mrs@athena.research.ptt.nl  (Marieke Schuijt) writes:
>jeroenp@rulfc1.LeidenUniv.nl (Jeroen W. Pluimers) writes:
>
>>>Je bent wel gezegend met collega's als Ronald en Mike, Marieke....
>>Marieke vindt het vast *heerlijk* ....
>>(au nee, nee, niet kietelen, daar kan ik niet tegen ;-)
>
>Dit vind ik wel erg ver gaan hoor. Ik maak toch zelf wel uit wie mij
>kietelt en of ik dat leuk vind. RABIATE ENGERD!!! VIEZERIK!!! Nee, laat
>ik het netjes houden, ik ga niet verder met schelden.
>
Nah, mag ik niet eens een keertje melig zijn? Bijna overal stonden
smiley's, en die stonden er met opzet.....

>>NB: Nee, ik ben het ook niet eens met dat borstonderzoek. Daar hebben
>>    we toch gezondheidscentra voor?
>
>Ja, maak er nog maar grapjes over ook. Je bent al net zo erg!!!
>
Dat waas juist de enige serieuze opmerking!
Maar ach, misschien wen je nog wel eens aan me ;-)
(Dit was dus ook een grapje!!)

--
    o _   _  _   _   _             voice: +31-2522-20908 (19:00-24:00 UTC)
   / (_' |  (_) (_' | |            snail: P.S.O.
__/                                       attn. Jeroen W. Pluimers
                                          P.O. Box 266
jeroenp@rulfc1.LeidenUniv.nl              2170 AG Sassenheim
jeroen_pluimers@f256.n281.z2.fidonet.org  The Netherlands
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: muts@fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Organization: Rijks Universiteit Utrecht
	<mrs.718489790@athena.research.ptt.nl> <Bvtpxo.Mo@apollo.hp.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:49:13 GMT

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:17:48 GMT, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) said:

  PN>   Actually there might be material of anthropological interest
  PN>   in this topic yet . . . 

  PN>   I was in Amsterdam for a week last October and I was surprised
  PN>   at the sexual frankness to be found all over the city (i.e.,
  PN>   not just in their famous "red light" district).  America will
  PN>   not even show bare breasts in public, say on posters or advertising.
  PN>   I've seen the occasional bare breasts or bottoms in ads on subway
  PN>   trains or city streets in France, Germany, and Japan, but . . . 

[ further description about Amsterdam removed ]

In fact the rest of the Netherlands is quite different. Although the
openness about sex is probably bigger than in the US, it is comparable
to other north- and western European countries. Amsterdam is an
exception; probably the many American tourists (and otehrs as well)
who have this view of Amsterdam and therefore often come to visit it
for such things have a lot to do with it.
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers.         |================================================ 
muts@fys.ruu.nl         |        Quod licet bovi, non licet Jovi
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: halderen@fwi.uva.nl (Berry van Halderen (I88))
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:47:52 GMT

erijken@fwi.uva.nl (Esther Rijken ) writes:

>Word eens wakker, Berry! Lees eens goed wat die frusto aan vragen stelt
>en *waar* ie het post! 
>Jouw opmerking dat niemand 'gekwetst' kan worden behalve diegenen die
>zichzel'minder' vinden, is totaal irrelevant. 
>We hebben het hier over fatsoensnormen en hjij tot dit soort
>vreemdsoortige opmerkingen kunt komen is bijzonder apart.
>Natuurlijk kan iedereen posten wat ie wil maar bij de originele posting
>miste ik een smiley. Er stond er geen, niet eens een piepkleintje. Een
>serieuze posting met een wat raar onderwerp voor s.c.n., vind je niet?

>Esther

Okay, you got me on that point. Het is inderdaad een idiote posting
voor deze groep (soc.culture.netherlands), er waren echter ook
cross postings.
Misschien wil de originele zender antwoorden op de vraag waarom in s.c.n?

\Berry
-- 
/* 1st law for prg optimalization:       x       Berry A.W. van Halderen    */
/*  Don't do it.                        |x|      Email: halderen@fwi.uva.nl */
/* 2nd law for prg optimalization:       --                                 */
/*  For experts only: Don't do it yet.   x       University of Amsterdam    */
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Subject: Re: Query: science and technological culture
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:11:44 GMT

>>In article <BvJwD2.96p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl)) writes:
>>>Can anyone recommend reading on "the information age", the role of technology
>>>and science in the post-modern world, and the implications for social 
>>>organization, either locally or globally?  

  See also Martin Heidegger's The Question Concerning Technology.

BCnya,
  Charles O. Onstott, III

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles O. Onstott, III                    (coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu)
Graduate Student in Religion and Human Sciences
The University of Chicago Divinity School

"Les dieux existent : c'est le diable."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: bechdol@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Bechdol)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 17:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: bechdol@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: femal breast bosom

In article <5410@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, jond@rhi.hi.is (Jon Danielsson) writes:
|> In <1992Oct07.170853.15161@rchland.ibm.com> bechdol@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Bechdol) writes:
|> 
|> >I recommend a publication from the University of Wisconsin Madison titled "A
|> >Guide to Bias-Free Communications: A Reference for Preparing Official University
|> >Publications"... it discusses phraseology in Gender, Age, Race/Ethnicity,
|> >Disabilities, and Sexual Orientation.  For more information, please call the
|> >Office of University Publications, 1-608-262-0948.
|> 
|> That's right, bring in the thought police!
|> 
|> jondan
|> -- 
|> __________________________________________________________________
|> Jon Danielsson			|	2 + 2 = 3, for suitably 
|> Department of Economics		|	small values of 2
|> University of Iceland		|


Nah, it's not like that.  Here are a few examples from the section on Gender:

Example:			Recommended:
   Each student should		   Each student should hand
     hand in his term		     in a term paper by...
     paper by...


Example:			Recommended:
   A nurse cares for her	   Nurses care for their
     patients...		     patients...


Example:			Recommended:
   Founding Fathers		   Founders


Example:			Recommended:
   A brilliant female		   A brilliant researcher...
     researcher...


A point of view for your consideration.


-- 
                                                                     Cheers,

                                                          Jeffery A. Bechdol
"What is essential is invisible to the eye."        IBM/ABS System Design II
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internet: bechdol@vnet.ibm.com                           Voice: 507/253-5500
  Office: rchland(bechdol)                                 Fax: 507/253-8684
    Post: 3605 Hwy. 52 North; Rochester, MN 55901-7829     T/L: 553
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Disclaimer: These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Subject: Re: The Bible In The Context of Its Time
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:36:26 GMT

In article <5942@news.duke.edu> strange@acpub.duke.edu (Michael B. Scher) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.192405.21864@midway.uchicago.edu> coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

[Re: Debate over function of anthropology.]

Either I have not made myself clear, or I am in total misunderstanding
of one of my own fields of study.  I argue that anthropology
studies the interaction of the individual, the participation of
the individual. This should not be confused with the individual-type
study that the field of psychology would make.  I see that
my abbreviated focci of fields did not make this explicit.  But
my understanding is this:  interaction of individuals which may
or may not involve institutions.

>-- 
>Mike Scher                      strange@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
>Duke University -- Durham, NC:  Law and Cultural Anthropology 
>This post expressly not for use as toilet tissue.
>(K) 1991 Net Prophet Productions - All lefts deserved.

BCnya,
  Charles O. Onstott, III

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles O. Onstott, III                    (coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu)
Graduate Student in Religion and Human Sciences
The University of Chicago Divinity School

"Les dieux existent : c'est le diable."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: muts@fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Organization: Rijks Universiteit Utrecht
	<mrs.718391084@athena.research.ptt.nl>
	<1992Oct7.184752.16039@fwi.uva.nl>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:54:18 GMT

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:47:52 GMT, erijken@fwi.uva.nl (Esther Rijken ) said:

>>>Please give you view about this. It should be non-medical!
>>>Give you own thoughts, opinions or other reactions to the e-mail address below:
>
>>>If somebody already published about this subject, please let me know.
>
>>>You may also FAX to the following number: +31 40 53 51 85.
>
>>OK girls. Put your breasts on the scanner and FAX them to PTT Research. Will you
>>bring me a copy, Ronald?
>
>I find this a very insulting suggestion and I must say that I feel
>ashamed that both of you work for the same company as me.

  ER> Jezus, Marieke, zit de vreselijke Annius ook al bij jou in de buurt??
  ER> Ik treur met je mee.

  ER> Wat moeten die lui met info over de borsten van vrouwen? Beetje
  ER> gefrustreerd misschien? Lekker kicken om vieze dingetjes op het net te
  ER> posten? 

Reacties van Marieke en Esther zijn wel lichtelijk overdreven; hoewel
ik vraagtekens zet bij de originele post (die dus om info vroeg) is
Annius' reactie toch niet zo 'insulting'? Ik dacht dat borsten
tegenwoordig in Nederland een redelijk normaal verschijnsel waren (ga
's zomers maar eens naar het strand). Zou je ook zo reageren als het
over 'handen op de scanner' ging? 

ps. ik zou me ook niet beledigd voelen als het geheel over ballen was
gegaan.
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers.         |================================================ 
muts@fys.ruu.nl         |        Quod licet bovi, non licet Jovi
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: jcwasik@srv.PacBell.COM (Joe Wasik)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:41:07 GMT

In an article (Esther Rijken ) writes:
>[...] Zullen wij twee ook eens een
>'onderzoekje' houden naar mannelijke geslachtsorganen?

Please tell us, where do we sign up ?

-- 
Joe Wasik, Pacific Bell, San Ramon, CA (510)823-2422, jcwasik@pacbell.com
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Sexism vs. Racism (was Re: Female breast (bosom) expe
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:43:51 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct13.201902.8426@kbsw1> chris@kbsw3.UUCP writes:

 > I've never heard of a group that can't count at least to three, (someone
 > will correct if I'm wrong) and it looks like you are confusing the
 > token "two" with the concept of two. Has anyone ever heard of a
 > group that adds x and x to get xxx ? If not this argument looks
 > suspiciously like one that starts with "What if pigs has wings".

Has anyone ever heard of a group that adds one house to one tree to
get two mountains? On the other hand, if you add one rooster to one
hen, you are very well likely to get three chickens. Or ten if you are
really lucky.

You might while you are at it add one ram to 200 ewes, to get 215 fat
lambs by practicing good husbandry and decent pasture management. Last
season the same ram over the same ewes may have produced 197 lambs,
and the season before 206.

In that context over a three year period 1 + 200 = 618, doesn't it?

You may very well argue that assigning quantities to quite different
entities in the one equation is not valid, and I would agree with you.
In doing that, however, a quite different context is created by your
ruling on the matter, isn't it?

Else, fellow, you are only sprouting more of the same intellectual
goobledegook you came in with, aren't you.

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:50:27 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <BvuzpE.5vt@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com writes:

 >   But it's not *just* s.c.n -- it's also posted to sci.anthropology.
 >   I have no objection to posters in soc.culture.<whatever> posting in
 >   the language of <whatever> -- but if you make worldwide distributions
 >   in a more general newsgroup you should consider your audience.
 >  
 >  
 > ---peter

I agree entirely with you, Peter. The problem is far less concerned
with the topic, or even the use of Dutch, than with the absolutely
brainless chatter being cross-posted into sci.anthropology.

Just get it off!

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
Xref: sparky sci.anthropology:1147 soc.culture.netherlands:3359
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:09:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct16.170905.3743
Organization: University of Virginia


/breast/h:j

--
Rob Dobson              University of Virginia Music Library
"Anything that starts with Ellington ends with an assassination attempt
on the Fuhrer!" --SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Hans Reinhardt, July 1944
From: erijken@fwi.uva.nl (Esther Rijken )
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:47:52 GMT

In article <mrs.718391084@athena.research.ptt.nl> mrs@athena.research.ptt.nl (Marieke Schuijt) writes:
>annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
>
>>wuytswin@athena.research.ptt.nl (Wuijtswinkel R. van) writes:
>
>[... insulting questions deleted ...]
>
>>>Please give you view about this. It should be non-medical!
>>>Give you own thoughts, opinions or other reactions to the e-mail address below:
>
>>>If somebody already published about this subject, please let me know.
>
>>>You may also FAX to the following number: +31 40 53 51 85.
>
>>OK girls. Put your breasts on the scanner and FAX them to PTT Research. Will you
>>bring me a copy, Ronald?
>
>I find this a very insulting suggestion and I must say that I feel
>ashamed that both of you work for the same company as me.

Jezus, Marieke, zit de vreselijke Annius ook al bij jou in de buurt??
Ik treur met je mee.

Wat moeten die lui met info over de borsten van vrouwen? Beetje
gefrustreerd misschien? Lekker kicken om vieze dingetjes op het net te
posten? 

Esther
From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: The Bible In The Context of Its Time
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:19:55 GMT
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bvw2un.KM9@nic.umass.edu> s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you want peace work for justice) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.221555.18643@midway.uchicago.edu> coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <BvsyE7.2vE@nic.umass.edu> s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you want peace work for justice) writes:
>>>In article <-1367383082snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>>>>
>>>If a lot of so-called 'Women's' Studies is exactly about studying
>>>and analysing society and culture as a whole  - and therefore it is 
>>>exactly anthropological -
>>>is the difference drawn because traditional anthropology either is
>>>directly sexist in its analysis or indirectly by its lack of
>>>critique? 
>>
>>   Women's Studies draws from anthroplogy for its evidence.  Its
>>main focus, however, is not "society and culture as a whole," but
>>rather "women in society and culture as a whole."  As such, 
>
>Hmm, I disagree with this, because altho there is certainly
>a lot in 'Women's' Studies that has women as the focus - there has
>been a critique of all society and history as well - for example
>topics such as militarism and masculinity will focus either
>primarily on men and society or on both women and men; 
>looking at violence against women
>without also focusing on men is absurd. Also since women and children
>constitute the majority in the world and women's studies focuses a
>great deal on their oppression (which obviously involve men) I think
>it is foolish to label it 'women's' studies if you then think it only
>involves women.


  Look to the in-order-to of 'women's' studies.  Even if it is 
a critical study on the masculine, or the phallo-centricism, or
the male-centristic elements of society and culture as a whole,
generally they have a point to make in reference to women.  In studies
such as those, they are typically deconstructional in terms of 
revealing the sturcture of "masculine" thinking, etc.  However,
the purpose, still, is to find the place of woman in societies
across the ages.  Whereas the traditional feminist argument against
the history of male thought is the absolute lack of "women" being
mentioned; we do not find this to be the case whatsoever in 
even critical studies of male thinking.

>
>I think as these other 'fields' evolve towards non-sexist ones,
>perhaps then 'women's' studies will actually become to mean more of
>what the name tends to imply.

  In what way do you mean this?

>Vera B., I :)

BCnya,
  Charles O. Onstott, III

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles O. Onstott, III                    (coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu)
Graduate Student in Religion and Human Sciences
The University of Chicago Divinity School

"Les dieux existent : c'est le diable."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Subject: Re: Sexism vs. Racism (was Re: Female breast (bosom) expe
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:44:21 GMT
Reply-To: chris@kbsw3.UUCP (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

Gil Hardwick states that everything in science is context 
dependent. Is one plus one equalling two context dependent?
Is the quantization of charge in elementary particles context
dependent?

Chris Kostanick
From: mitd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mitch Diamond)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: info needed on potlatch and the northwester pacific tribes
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:41:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

hi I am looking for information leading to the tradition of "potlatch" and
the northwestern tribes of the pacific.  if anyone has a paper on it
or knows if I can find a paper on this subject on the net can you please
let me know. or if you know anything about can you give me a brief summary
on the subject. 

thanks a lot

my address is mitd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu