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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars movie
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:20:17 GMT

From article <acMr02ch1dmQ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, by beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger):
> 
> (The question was 'Which is your favorite Star Wars movie and why?'.)
> 
> Since I list it as my favorite movie *regardless* of genre, I have to
> respond that the original "Star Wars" the best of the trilogy. 
> My response is at a gut level: I was very young (10yrs) when I saw ANH
> and it affected the way I viewed movies, books, and comics for the next
> fourteen-or-so years (to the present, actually).  [Bizarre side note:
> When I think of my life as a timeline, I tend to place events as being
> either BSW (Before Star Wars) or ASW (After Star Wars) in the same way
> that we label years as BC or AD!]  A large part of my time I spent
> playing with SW toys, thinking up stories about Vader and Luke, 
> collecting comic books and movie ads, and in general being a real
> Star Wars/sci-fi geek.  (Huh, I still am. :-)  
> 
> I won't even *attempt* to explain why ANH is, IMHO, the best of the three.
> Plenty of other people have argued that the acting, dialogue, plot,
> special effects, etc, etc. were better in this one or that one.  
> For me, it's more a matter of what was ingrained in my mind the first
> (and second and third!) time I saw ANH.  Every time I pop ANH into
> the VCR, I try to sit back and watch the movie, trying to pretend that
> I've never seen it before, letting the story unfold in the grand and
> adventurous way that it does, listening to the music, being awed
> by the special effects, being scared shitless when Luke gets grabbed
> by the trash compactor monster, wondering if Vader is a human or robot,
> and on, and on... 
> 
> When I watch ANH, I'm a ten year old kid in a dark movie theatre,
> watching the most exciting movie of my life.  Never mind what the
> sequel is like four years later.  Never mind that the special effects
> aren't state of the art!  Don't worry if Ben's light saber isn't colored 
> in every damned frame!  I watch and enjoy the movie.  
> 

	My feelings exactly.  Add on to that the fact that the ten year old
kid that was me fell in love with Luke Skywalker, and I was heartbroken when
he had such a rotten time in ESB.

Just my two cents (Canadian currency).

  
It's not that I like the Empire.  
I hate it, but there's nothing 				Jules
I can do about it right now! 
	- Luke Skywalker.
From: clf@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Movie
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:24:28 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <Bst21K.HyA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, rmctavis@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
> 'm posting this to find out from everyone out there what
> their favourite Star Wars movie is and why? I'm curious
> to see what you think because I believe there would be
> alot of mixed opinions.
> 
> Please post your opinions on the Star Wars, or I will
> turn to the dark side!
> 
> Rob

      
     My favorite is The Empire Strike Back, because out of the three the Empire
does the best in this one.  Yes, I favor the Empire to those pitiful rebels.
I'm sure that in some alternate universe the Empire destroyed the rebel base
in the first movie and live happily ever after.

SS
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From: lopez@june.cs.washington.edu (Gus Lopez)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Reply-To: lopez@cs.washington.edu
Organization: 'Department of Computer Science, University of Washington'
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:28:33 GMT

In article <07sI024Q1eJe01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:

|>   out; Luke/Leia's mom is killed, but the babies are hidden (one to Tatooine,
|>   one to somebody else in the Alderann royal house).  [Insert some good
|>   plot synopsis here, cause I can't hink of anything else right now!]

Years ago, I remember reading an interview with Lucas where he said
(paraphrased) Vader represents Luke's bad father and Kenobi represents
Luke's good father.  The mothers will be introduced later.

This is really intriguing, and I've speculated that Luke will find out about
his good and bad moms in the third trilogy.  The bit in ROTJ where Luke asks
Leia about her mother is also interesting because Leia was very young when
her mother "died".  It's certainly possible that an important character from
the first trilogy (related to characters in the second trilogy) will pop up
in the third trilogy.  Of course, this is all speculation, but it's still fun
to think about it.

Gus Lopez
lopez@cs.washington.edu
From: frandag@math.ksu.edu (Francis Fung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Carrie Fisher
Date: 16 Aug 1992 12:29:02 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
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dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:


>	She ain't bad looking in all the 3 Starwars movies, but was
>	she a co-actress in "When Harry Met Sally", if so, that really
>	surprised me! I can't say I found much of a resemblence of this
>	Carrie Fisher to the one in Starwars!

Yup, that's her! She's also been in The 'burbs, Sibling Rivalry, and a whole
host of other movies. By the way, she also just had a baby last month.
Francis Fung
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:01:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280

>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:55:07 GMT, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) said:

mcmahan> In some of the ESB publications, they show a full scale model
mcmahan> of the Falcon being built from scratch.

mcmahan> But Star Wars had to have had one too, for the Mos Eisley
mcmahan> scenes and the Death Star -- no way those were mattes! -- so
mcmahan> what happened to the sets between SW and ESB!?

mcmahan> Were they destroyed?

mcmahan> Was there a full-scale Falcon in RotJ? I can't think of any
mcmahan> scenes where they need one....

The same full scale model of the Falcon was used in all 3 movies. It
was designed to me taken apart in sections, like pieces of a pie, so
it could be moved around, and stored easier. You probably saw a
picture of them putting the pieces together, not building it from
scratch.
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:38:31 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug12.054341.29027@wam.umd.edu> sharon@wam.umd.edu (sharon) writes:
>would have been aware if any of them had been killed. Notice that Han was not
>killed, and that certainly wasn't because Vader cared so much about Jabba's
>need fore revenge - that just fit into Vader's plans. If Vader hadn't wanted
>to keep Han alive, so that all Luke sensed was danger, Han would have been dead.Bargain with Fett of not. Vader isn't know for honoring his bargains, and he's
>killed others for less offenses than Han's.

Well, I do believe that Vader was keeping them all alive so that Luke would
be drawn towards their "life force," he only left Dagobah because he thought
he had a chance of saving them; if they had died, he might have stayed to
finish his training so he could becomea Jedi and come back and kick some ass
for revenge.
	But there's a more immediate reason he didn't kill Han -- he used
Han as a test for the carbon freezing machine.  He didn't want Luke killed
by the machine, so he tried it out on Han first.  If Han were killed by it,
"so be it" as the Emperor would say.

Also, I'm probably wrong on this, but didn't George Lucas himself write the
first "novelization," Star Wars?  His name was all over the cover and the
few paragraphs I read were so dry I assumed that it wasn't written by a
professional writer...

Chuck

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:44:49 GMT


In a previous article, ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman) says:

>Quote:
>
>AUNT BERU: Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his
>father in him.
>
>OWEN: That's what I'm afraid of.
>
>Point:
>Beru Knew Lukes father. (I think she was his sister)

You can't tell from that.  She could have  been told about Luke's
father and why they were hiding him, and I think that's the case.

>
>Quote
>
>LUKE: No, my father didn't fight in the wars. He was a navigator on a
>spice freighter.
>
>BEN: That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your
>father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten
>involved.                                      ^^^^
>
>Point:
>Unless Ben is lying yet again, Anakin Skywalker CAME FROM TATOOINE.
>Hiding Luke there would have been a prettu dumb idea, but for the fact
>no one was looking for him. What was hidden from Vader was the fact that
>his wife had had twins. Provided he wasn't looking, he wouldn't find them.
>Meantime, Luke is taken away from the mainstream to allow him to grow up
>unnoticed.

That could be the case, but I think that Kenobi IS lying again.
And he could justify it, too.  Here, let's follow his twisted chain
of "points of view."

Kenobi knows that he's going to be training Luke in the ways of the
Force.  (Always in motion is the future, but I think he could probably
tell that much by the fact that Luke was there.)  Therefore, he could
see himself as Luke's spiritual father.  (You could also make that
claim based on the fact that Kenobi saved him from certain death at
Palpatine's hand when he hid him, so I guess he did "give him life."

Now.  That supposition made, when he says "He thought your father
should have stayed here etc.," he was talking about Kenobi himself.
I don't find it hard to imagine Owen taking this stance.

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Animation?? **Spoilers for HttE and DFR**
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:49:01 GMT

		I'd only be *real* excited about seeing the novels by Tim Zahn
done as an anime if it was a Japanese crew doing it and if they got some 


			****Good****


		writers to do dialogue. (Hell, to re-write the plot.) 
		DFR was almost a complete waste o paper... clunky, slow-paced,
cliched dialogue, an artificially pasted-on sense of menace as far as Grand
Admiral Thrawn goes. The only good bits were the claiming of the Dreadnoughts
(Luke's maneuver was swift) and Luke's interaction with C'boath (spelling?).
		HttE was okay, but the only reason I got into it at all was
because it was the Star Wars universe and because there was 2 more books to try
to make it into a series that would do the movies justice. 
		So I sincerely hope that if a Japanimated or
Bakshi-style-live-action-anime of the Star Wars characters comes up, I really
hope that Mr. Zahn has little or nothing to do with it.

 

						-Chris 
				                 ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu

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From: lotter@cc.und.ac.za (Eddie Lotter)
Subject: Re: Favourite Star Wars movie
Keywords: Star Wars
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:22:29 GMT

joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>rmctavis@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
>>
>>My favourite movie is ESB. When I first saw it way back
>>in the seventies I didn't like it. But this was mainly
>        ^^^^^^^^^
>:) just kidding  :)

But you're right, Josh.
ANH was released in '77
ESB was released in '80
ROJ was released in '83

Or was this only in my country? Mmh.

Eddie
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:13:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

[re: Why'd Threepio say he didn't know who the princess was? ]

Was Threepio's restraining bolt off at that point? If not,
there's the possibility he was acting according to its demands -
no other master than Luke and the Lars' would be acceptable, so
he _couldn't_ have belonged to her. But when Luke asked Artoo to
replay the message, Threepio helped his 'master Luke', egging
Artoo on.

If it was off, by that point, the theory is shot. :)

Joshua
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From: gene@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gene E. Johannsen)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:54:45 GMT

pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:

>In <1992Aug17.000043.5385@cs.unca.edu>
>mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>>Okay, Carrie Fisher has managed to stay in the public's eye
>>with acting and writing. Harrison Ford is the best actor
>>in Hollywood now. The guy who did Vader's voice shows up 
>>everywhere.
>>
>>But what happened to Mark Hammil!? He was on the Muppets once, but
>>what else has he done? Is he directing now or something?
>>Retired? Converted to Islam? :)
>>
>>He was the *star*, argueably, after all. :)
>>
>>Scott


>Mark Hamill has done a couple of less than exciting movies (amadaus (sp?)

   I doubt if he was anywhere near Amadeus, and I question your judgement
as to its excitement.

gene
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: request for opening text - Here is is
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:22:34 GMT



FOR STAR WARS...


A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...

   It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a
hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic
Empire.
   During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the
Empire's ultimate weapon, the Death Star, an armored space station
with enough power to destroy an entire planet.
   Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home
aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her
people and restore freedom to the galaxy...

FOR EMPIRE...

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...

   It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has
been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from
their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy.
   Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters
led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote
ice world of Hoth.
   The evil lord Darth Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker,
has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of
space...


I will have to look around for the Jedi one...
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: dmcclelland@snoopy.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:47:06 PDT


>Vader engineers the the Tatooine affair of ANH in an effort to gain control
>of Luke without arousing the Emperor's suspicion. Luke is much more important
>to Vader than the plans for the DS (The empire can do just fine without the
>DS {ESB}, or build another one if they realy want to {ROJ}; but there is only
>one Luke).

   I have a hard time accepting the fact that Vader had engineered the 
capture of the Blockade Runner over Tatooine just to capture Luke. Why
not just go to Tatooine and pick Luke up on charges of being involved
in smuggling or a part of the alliance?  The Emperor would know no
better.  How could Vader know that the droids would "find" Luke? The 
only reason the droids made it to the planet in one piece was because
some imperial gunner didn't fire 'cause the escape pod had no life-
forms on board.  I believe the sequence goes:

"Look, there goes another one."
"Hold your fire, there's no lifeforms.  It must've malfunctioned."

   If Vader had used the force to make the meeting between Luke and
the droids possible, he would have to have been VERY powerful in the
force (IMHO).  If the Emperor was more powerful than Vader, then the
Emperor should have been able to forsee that Vader was trying to
backstab him (again, IMHO). 
   This, of course, brings up the possibility that the Emperor knew
all along what Vader was planning.  But that still doesn't answer why
the Empire just didn't just kill or capture Luke before ANH.

  I still like this theory, making this much more of a Foundation-type
epic pitting powerful behind-the-scenes personages against one another.
however, the coincidences that occur seem to indicate a hero-oriented
epic that ANH seems to resemble.  Maybe when/if (may it be the former)
the remaining two trilogies come out, the story will resemble the
space opera/Dune/Foundation/Lensman/etc...type epic.

-----
Daniel McClelland
dmcclelland@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College
Claremont, California
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Just who is Owen anyway?
Date: 12 Aug 1992 23:01:12 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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This is a long shot but here it goes...

Luke and Leia were hidden from Vader and good 'ole Palpatine right?
	-"To protect you both from the Emporer you were hidden from 
	your father when you were born..."-OB1

Well to hide them from Vader it would be kind of foolish to hide Luke with
Anakin's brother right? The novel says that Owen is Ben's brother, we all 
know that but maybe Owen is Luke's *MOM'S* brother......?......?

.....Oh never mind....

-- 
Josh Ling   
Trilogist Extrodinaire     
joshuali@usc.edu 

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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Question about Imperial Officers
Keywords: Little metal things
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:38:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <joshm.713633443@crash> joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes:
>I've long wondered (well, not LONG, but) what the small metal cylindrical 
>objects that Imperial officers carry in small pockets (it seems) next to
>their rank insignias?  They look like they could be about the size of thick
>felt-tip pens, though colored chrome.  Any ideas?

   WOW! I always wondered that as well. I could never tell
if they were long and cylidrical, like a pen, or what we saw
was all that there was just little nibs.

   It did seem like the higher ranking officers had more.


-- 
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                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
From: cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:52:18 GMT
Organization: MCNC Data Operations

<Talk about how Muad'Dib would yell at Imperials and sandworms eating Star>
<Destroyers deleted>

...We interrupt this newsgroup with a waste of bandwidth:

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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:20:22 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's failure on Dagobah??

In article <1992Aug10.143814.495@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
says:
>
>     Can anyone please explain to me why Luke's encounter in the cave on      h
>Dagoba
>during TESB was considered a failure by Yoda?  Was it because Luke didn't
>trust the force enough yet and decided to take his weapons??

Probably because Luke took his weapons in the cave with him, was the first to
draw his sabre when he encountered Vader in the cave, and was the first to
strike in the fight.  I'd consider that a total failure as far as not using
the Force for attack and aggression.

>     Also, does Leia have the same sensitivity to the force as Luke does or is
>she weaker/ stronger?

Probably only weaker in the sense that she hasn't trained it enough to use it
like Luke does, but that will probably be remedied in the future...=)

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