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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:34:07 GMT

I think all of us can tell similar stories, but I'll post mine just
because no-one else has yet.

I got beaten up as a youth by a gang of boys who were 2 grades above
us.  I got into the martial arts so that wouldn't happen again.  I'm
happy I did; otherwise I'd have gotten fat like a lot of my other
friends.  But I also think taking up the guitar would have been just
as good of a choice.  I never took "revenge" on those guys, but 
I certainly hated them.  One of them was murdered when he was 19, and
his body placed in his pickup, doused with gas, and set alight.  All
they found was a part of a thigh bone and some teeth.  And I remember
thinking at the time, "no-one deserved it more."  But from what I hear
about my hometown from my old friends, the rest of those guys became
human beings shortly after I left, and spent a lot of time trying to
make friends with the people they had abused in high school.  You 
may be surprised at how life turns out Sam.

There's a reason for avoiding fights, even if someone is a "Dork."
Fights mean that somebody gets hurts, which means pain, insurance
hikes, lawsuits, rehabilitation, and residual pain later in life.
It also means he'll be looking for revenge as well.  Better not
to start at all.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu


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From: kevin@pages.com (Kevin Sven Berg)
Subject: Re: Books, was Re: No-Mind
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:32:57 GMT

In article <1jpeerINNlc8@morrow.stanford.edu> CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu  
(Jennifer Gates) writes:
> >>
> >>I have really enjoyed Dan Millman's (sp?) books.  I have only read the  
first
> >>two, _The Way of the Peaceful Warrior_ and _The Warrior Athlete_.
> >
> > All in all, the book was worth reading.  The ideas are basically good
> > IMO, but I find it almost impossible to believe that this is a true
> > autobiographical account or that his ideas were not cannibalized from
> > other sources.  But who knows, maybe it is and maybe they are.  The
> > point is irrelevant when speaking to the merits of the ideas per se.
> >
> Just a note... I've met Dan Millman and trained with him a little.
> He does not claim that the things that happen in his books are
> "true", he says that some of them happended and some didn't. The
> books are intended to express things about life.
> 
> I really enjoyed the books myself and I don't worry too much about
> which things are and arn't "true".  He does teach semminars based on
> some of the concepts in the books. I havn't taken any of them.
> 
> Jennifer

I've taken Dan's "One Day Satori" seminar and it was great. What's
it about? He varies the content but a few sample snippets include:
physical exercise for the lower self (huna tradition), spiritual
senses, universal principles such as "giver-taker", here-now,
effects of posture, diet, and spiritual excersize. Oh yeah, we all
learned how to memorize 20 arbitrary things in any order, and to
juggle. Fun course with a lot of impact.

regarding WPW: There is certainly similarities to other "new age" 
fictional and non-fictional sources, but Dan brings his own style
to the book. [Andy V.] points out that it reads like Castaneda.
I would say this is only vaguely so, since Castenada is often
dark (read: paranoid with evil forces, etc). Dan's approach in
the book seems to mirror his approach in life: light and humorous.
Also note that Castanada's works span several volumes.

The "Warrior Athlete" has some unique approaches learning
and sports in particular. I'd recommend it for people who
might want athletics to be little more fulfilling.

Dan also has written "Sacred Journey of the Peaceful Warrior"
which details (some) of those years missing in his first book.
There is another book which will continue from here SJPW leave
off, apparently covering more the martial aspect (Aikido, I
believe).

regards,

Kevin

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From: luket@mirriwinni.ee.adfa.oz.au (Luke Tarantello)
Subject: Is the video "Wing Chun Way - Vol 1" worth getting?
Organization: University College UNSW ADFA Australia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:03:21 GMT

It's by willam Cheung, and I presume geared towards beginners. I've done WC
for about 2 years, but I have also been out of action for the same amount
of time. Would I benefit from it.

regards
luke
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From: gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Organization: University of Waterloo Software Liberation Army
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:28:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.162043.6032@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
> d90eridy@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Dyrelius) writes:
> >stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
> >
> >>A quarterstaff is typically about 6 feet long whereas a jo is
> >>about 4.5 feet long.  
> >
> >I just measures my jo and it is only 50"=4.2 feet. I think (if I remember
> >correctly) that the idea was that it should be a bit longer than the
> >katana which it was designed to be used against and since a bokto (bokken)
> >is about 40" that fits. (I havent got a katana to compare with)
> 
>     Your "jo" is the one used in traditional jodo, 50.25" long, and
>     your explanation of why seems perfectly reasonable - longer than the
>     katana, but otherwise as short (and therefore as light) as possible.
> 
>     Joel's "jo" is the one used in Aikido, and is (most often) 54" long.  
>     (The rule is that it should just fit under your armpit.)

And the jo I was originally asking about (our "daijo") is 5'6" long.
We also have a shorter "shojo", at 4'0".  I don't know why they are those
particular lengths.

 -Guy Middleton, University of Waterloo		gamiddleton@math.waterloo.edu
		(+1 519 885 1211 x3472)		gamiddleton@math.uwaterloo.ca
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From: MWright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright)
Subject: Hapkido: Q on Curriculum and Organisations
Summary: Question on organisationa and the syllabus for later gradings
Keywords: Hapkido Black Belt Organisations
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:12:20 GMT

I'm interested in finding out what Hapkido organisations (larger than
a single do-jang) there are out there.

I'm also interested in the content of post-1st Dan black belt gradings.
For example, at what level and in what ways at different levels do you
include things like smashing, knife sparring, cane sparring, defence
against multiple attackers, pressure points, throwing knives/stars/coins,
counters to self defence techniques, or anything else.  I realise that 
some of these are initially included earlier than black belt; what I'm
interested in is how they are addressed as part of later black belt
gradings.

Please respond by E-Mail and I'll summarise.  If you don't want something
broadcast on the net, tell me and I'll take it out of the summary.

Thanks

Malcolm
From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi real?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:21:21 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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>"What is REAL," asked the Rabbit one day.
>
>        from "The Velveteen Rabbit," a children's classic.  If you did not read
>it when you were young--or even if you did--read it NOW to your child; if you
>haven't a child the right age, read it to a nephew/niece or to a neighbor's
>or friend's child.  I've seen big, tough Black Belt types reduced to tears.
>
I also have this experience when reading Dan Millman's children's
book called 'The secret of the peaceful warrior'.... I always cry
when I read it to my nieces...


Jennifer
From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: I don't know.
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:44:00 -0600
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In article <1k3pdpINNb0t@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
> dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe):
> 
> Did anyone happen to save a summary of one of the last few flamewars on
> this topic?  Holy mackerel!  Let's not flounder into this one again.
> Ignoring it would be the bass option.  I'll resume my perch, now...
> 
> 	just when you thought it safe to go back into the water, 
> 	crabby dave decides to poisson it....
> 	
> 	i shouldn't have posted this, but i do like to balance the scales...

         Well, I hope you're happy. You've scrod up everything with your
    blubbering. Your roughy language is truly sharking.

         Anybody who posts to this thread had better be prepared to live
    with the conchequences.

-- 
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 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
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From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: Re: AHH! The meaning of "hapkido" is....
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:10:27 GMT

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:



>hap = coordination/focus/concentration
>ki = energy (you know..)
>do = way/style

These are also the characters pronounced "aikido" in Japanese
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From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kathy Long movie?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 12:46:02 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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During the fall, Kathy Long was promoting a film she was to be featured in.
I think the title was "Knights", or something like that.  Has this film
been released yet?

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From: ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross)
Subject: Carradine again
Summary: Let's get specific on what was so bad about Carradine
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:23:52 GMT

I've seen a lot of David Carradine bashing in the group lately.  I haven't seen
the Kung Fu TV show in a long long time, but I don't exactly remember seeing a
lot of stuff that made me want to run to the bathroom and blow chunks or
anything.  I tend not to judge other arts too harshly anyway because I'm not
studying them.  
	I do seem to recall that the MA looked better in the later episodes (in
line with the common wisdom that he was learning as he went along), but my
question to all you holier-than-thou's is:  what exactly did you find to be so
bad [of the techniques which were filmed from beginning to end and at full
speed :-) ] ?  No one has gotten specific, which I find to be suspicious.  
	I'm not saying I wouldn't agree with you all if I saw a rerun today, I
just want some details.  One question I have is:  is it a question of form or
of choreography of the scenes or of the MA shown not being true to Shaolin Kung
Fu or just not streetworthy?  I think it's important that if he is going to
represent a style he ought to do it well, but then there's the point that the
best style is beyond style (all you Bruce Lee fans should be nodding), and what
is important when you are saving your life and limb is that you save it/them,
period, and then the life and limb of your attacker if you can.

	Rich

P.S.	I agree that the stuff people mentioned about the appendix/glossary of
his book is pretty abysmal... aikido = form of TKD, etc.  Whoa.
	
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From: M.J.Wright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright)
Subject: Re: hapkido question
Keywords: hapkido jujitsu kicking
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:41:10 GMT

gatenby@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk writes

** wharfie's question about hapkido v jujitsu deleted **

>The main difference I could see (I don't know anything about the weapons) was
>that the throws seemed very "aikido-like" by which I mean a lot of
>wrist-twisting seemed to be going on and the concentration on "fancy" kicking
>was also greater.

I see two reasons for high & fancy kicks in our style of Hapkido.

The first is that stetching and kicking high in the gym helps to kick
at low to middle height on the street when you're not warmed up.
(Including, say, back kick to the knee, or spinning kick to the large nerve
on the outside of the thigh).

The second is that energetic kick-sparring is great for learning timing
and couterattack, even for grappling applications.

Malcolm
From: osborn@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Tom Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Greenoch History
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:13:23 +1100
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
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shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.001502.3882@craycos.com>, sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) says most sayishly:
>>In article <C1Dy8M.3Mr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>>
>>>Seriously.. what *IS* Greenoch?
>>
>>Seriously, Greenoch is the second-best martial art in the whole, damned
>>world...

>Yes! :)  So what's THE best martial art in the whole, damned world?

Greenoch at night, by the light of the moon, after six quick pints of warm
beer, in sight of an oak tree, dressed in nothing but blue paint. Of course.

Ooooop! 

Aaargh - thub-b-b-b-b.

--
However, Alter-Greenoch, the completion of the counter-style of Greenoch
is reputed to be the [second] WORST form of peaceful co-existence possible
between consenting adults. Victims have been known to starve themselves to 
death on nothing more than an unbroken diet of TV games shows and warm navel 
fluff. Even third generation descendents of victims unknown to, and separated 
at birth from their parents who likewise were unknown to, and separated at 
birth from their parents _deliberately_ taken up ironing as a career...

And so on...
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: What in the world...
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:06:31 GMT

In article <727552041.AA00274@ship.wimsey.bc.ca> Terence.Chase@p7.f775.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Terence Chase) writes:
>What did Jeff Pipkins say again?  Oh yeah....
> >>is a kunoichi...(and why does andy want to be affectionate with one)?
> >A female ninja.
>
> >Steve
> 
> JP> What Andy doesn't realize is that they're ALL kunoichi...
> JP> (females, I mean; not ninja...)

	Don't I now?  You BET I do!  Why in hell do you think I have such
	an intense terror/pleasure relationship with them?  They scare the
	living shit out of me and I absolutely LOVE it.  Follow-ups to
	alt.sex.bondage.kunoichi.hubba-hubba.
>
>And why not.  I used to know a few and some were quite attractive.

	Ayuh.  Scary, ain't it?

	
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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:16:43 GMT

In article <C1FLD2.EoJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Basically, the only animal that we (humans) would most likely be
>attacked by is a large dog.  And from experience, they sometimes like to
>run and then leap at you.  Umm, how should I phrase this?  Are there any
>books, or any info... or even an ART that teach how to defend against
>animals?  I remember a long time ago, our neighbors had dobermans, and I
>would deliberately talk a different, longer route just to avoid them.
>Once, I rode my bike by quickly, hoping I'd escape, but one of them ran
>at me and pulled me off my bike (I was about 10 years old).  So, any
>info?  Just curious, as I think defense against dogs could prove to be
>useful at some point.  Thanks!
>
	If you fight a single dog just kick it in the head or whatever.
However, dogs in packs can be very dangerous.  They will group
themselves in a circle around you, barking and taunting you.
Occasionally one will dart foreward to take a snip.
If this happens, they want you to attack a lone member on the circle.
The attacked dog will retreat and the remainder of the pack will fall
onto your flank. My advice is, if circled, move slowly to a
better position and kick anything that comes close.
	If a pack is running after you (and you are running away)
be aware that dogs are pretty fast and will probably catch up with you.
Put something at your back like a tree or boulder or wall, whatever,
and fight them off if you have no sanctuary within short running
distance.  Some wild dogs might have rabies so if you are bitten it
would be a good idea to get the appropriate shots.  But these dos
will try to bite chunks out of you. Don't let them, and don't do
anything stupid like run when you are circled or freak over an individual.
I think if you hit a dog on the center of the top of the head hard
it will be killed. I can't confirm this though, I usually just kick
them in the head or side if they bug me.

			John


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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: SEALs
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:06:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.132059.3092@mtroyal.ab.ca> mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>
>No flames intended but I wonder if Ms Ramirez didn't confuse the flak
>jackets of some officers (S.W.A.T?) and the lack of such attire on others 
>with two different organizations.  Does anyone know if the military involves
>itself with police raid these days? 

	Yes, they do.  Most notably, the National Guard has seen an ever 
	increasing role in drug enforcement operations.  I don't have the 
	exact numbers handy, but they went from something like 4 ops in
	1982 to nearly one thousand in 1992 and theis budget grows every year
	as does their schedule.  Not what I would call a reassuring trend.
>
>On another note, should the police wait to be fired upon to establish that
>the gun was loaded.  

	As much as I believe that cops (or anyone else) that engages in 
	these tactics SHOULD be killed without hesitation, I also must say
	that in the case where they are in a legitimate raid and a person
	trains a weapon on then, that they do, in all reason, have the right
	to shoot.  One cannot sit back and wait for the enemy to open fire
	after having pointed a gun (or whatever).  But if a person shows up
	with a weapon, but does not point it (l;ike a gun for instance) I
	believe there is no right on the part of law enforcement personnel
	to open fire.  If you don't have the guts to do the job right, to risk
	your life as such positions demand, then you have no business carrying
	a badge.  These jobs carry with them particular risks and 
	responsibilities, and if you are not tough, brave and honest enough to 
	live with these, then do something else for a living.  There are
	nearly no justifiable reasons for accidentally killing a civiillian
	in the course of a drug raid, or any other law enforcement activity
	for that matter.
	

>If someone swings at me outside the dojo, I am not 
>going to assume that he is going to hold back at the last second.

	Agreed.

	-Andy V.
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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:10:52 GMT

In article <gfLiSHP0Bwx2R_Q_JF@transarc.com> Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>	You know, those Midieval Samurai Killing Machines weren't
>particularly successful when they invaded China and Korea. Anyone out
>there have any theories on that?

My grasp of Military History and Tactics in general, and Medieval
Military History and Tactics in particular, is exceeded only by my
deep and vast understanding of quantum chromodynamics, but I'm tempted
to hazard a guess that the answer might lie more in the realms of logistics
than in anything we commonly discuss in this newsgroup.  They'da had
some damn long supply lines for that day and age.

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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Evil Black Belts (Re: Fighting against animals?)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:58:34 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <C1HAtF.A44@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
|> 
|> We need to sick a Greenoch master on that idiot. :)  But seriously, how
|> could the military hire such goons to teach?

Very simply.  They had an opening and had a "martial arts instructor"
on hand.  The real idiots are the ones that allowed him to qualify
as an accredited instructor in martial arts before he reached the army.

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From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Strengthening fingers/hand
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:19:53 GMT
Reply-To: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Originator: shulick@cineret


Hello, again.  It's nice to see this group so active. :)
Anyway, I'm looking for some method to strengthen my hands and fingers
(For grips and throws) quietly.. so I could do it during class, without
the noisy "clachink, clachink" of those A-shaped exercisers.   What
about those "easy to catch" balls they have in toy stores?  They're
filled with a weird gel, and I think after squeezing it for some time,
the hand would become stronger.  Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome.

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