HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Subject: Re: Ecstacy (X) dangerous? CNN British report ...
Reply-To: malcolm@cluster.cs.su.oz (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:55:30 GMT

In article <q92269.714049150@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de> q92269@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de (Daniel 'danny' Roedding) writes:
>Paul Hager <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>My impression was that this was all hysteria -- although
>>I can believe that tainted drugs might have caused some "toxic
>>reactions" if there is any truth in this report.  But heatstroke??
>
>Probably as a result from uncontrolled hyperventilation over quite a long
>time?

More likely from dancing for eight hours in an underventilated club without
drinking any water. Nothing really to do with the E, perhaps somewhat related
to the state of mind...

Malcolm
--
Myself and another volunteer were intravenously injected with
20 000 becquerels of plutonium citrate in aqueous solution. -- Eric Voice
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: How to watch TV
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:08:06 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <1992Aug6.184814.12307@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu 
(John C. Baez) writes:

> In article <1992Aug5.131208.3934@linus.mitre.org> 
lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
> 
> >You are overgeneralizing.  Whether you're on drugs or just in a 
reflective
> >mood, TV can be used to your advantage.  Try this:  put on some stupid 
show
> >(The Price is Right works for me) and turn the volume all the way down. 
> >Then put some weird music on the stereo, like PIL or Frank Zappa.  
Presto! 
> >Instant TV-satire video.  And if you lose interest in watching, you will
> >still be listening to something you like.
> 
> You're right; this is a fine way to watch TV.  Even better is to change
> channels randomly in time to the beat of the music, especially with a
> remote controller.

What I enjoy doing is putting together my own show out of bits and pieces 
of the trash that's already out there, using a quick thumb, a twisted mind 
and some dumb luck to come up with;

Oh Mary? <click> John...<> Say Jim<> Hey, who are all these 
people?<>Keebler Elves!<click> and so on...

After a while I get the sense that some higher power is helping me along 
because when I'm in a real channel-surfing groove the TV actually comes up 
with some truly entertaining stuff!

(Of course, you can always fall back on 'A Current Affair' if your thumb 
gets tired. I admire a show that is so tawdry and insipid that it makes no 
attempt to disguise itself!)

...We now return to your regularly scheduled programming...

Rob

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the sun..."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch (Joan Vollmer)
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:25:29 GMT

Um, as usual when the subject of WSB comes up a lot of
misinformation gets passed around.  I've read all of the major
biographies on the Beats (the things we grad. students have to
muck about with) and some points need touching up: "Naked
Lunch" was not primarily influenced by Kafka; the Ginsberg and
Kerouac figures in the movie are severely fictionalized; the
references to mugwumps are not particularly related to the
common political meaning of the word; WSB moved to Tangiers
primarily to escape notoriety, to save money, to get away from
Eisenhower conservativism, and to feed his junk habit
easier--or to kick it, depending on which of his answers you
believe (he actually got more heavily into hashish than junk
while he was there).  It was Joe Orton who went to Tangiers
"for the boys."

It looks like the movie of "Naked Lunch" is rewriting history
just as I expected it would.  All the followups give the
impression either explicity or implicitly that Burroughs was
responsible for the shooting episode.  Although they both liked
to perform this William Tell routine, in the fatal episode his
wife, Joan Vollmer, goaded him into it.  It was a glass of
champagne, not an apple, that he was trying to shoot off her
head (the movie gets that right).  Their son was in the room
(maybe both their kids were, I forget exactly).  WSB was blind
drunk, Joan was whacked out as usual, and everyone there was
pretty far gone.  WSB didn't even realize he'd shot her for a
while.  He didn't immediately skip out of Mexico, as some
said.  There was a complicated process of negotiation,
influence, and bribery involving Mexican government concern
over the escapades that American expatriates were getting up
to, possible custody of the kids, etc.  WSB only booked when
it looked like the police were going to make an example of him
and he didn't have the money to bribe them out of it.  He also
has said, I believe, that some of the police told him to get
out of the country for a while so that the hassles would die
down and he could be let off at a later time.

Bill Burroughs Jr. wrote a very funny and desperate book about
being a methedrine addict in New York in the late 60's and
drank his way through two livers before croaking of cirrhosis.
In the afterward to "Speed" John Steinbeck, Jr. writes
movingly of how WSB II overcame conception in a Benzedrine
bath and the shocking decedance of his mother (Allen Ginsberg
apparently insisted he see the morgue photos of his mother; AG
has a weird streak about maternal bodily grottiness).  I don't
know what became of his sister.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: dstine@cisco.com (David Stine)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.
Organization: BitBashers, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:02:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.021210.23920@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>>This got me thinking (it does happen occasionally).  Why couldn't
>>someone design a drug-adminsitering weapon for self-defense?  I'd think
>>that a load of pentothal (or whatever) would drop an attacker very
>>quickly.  What would be the best drug to use?  Has anyone done this?
>>How might it work?  Would a needle be necessary, or could it use a jet
>>of DMSO (or something similar) to the face as a delivery mechanism?
>
>	I'm sure people have tried for decades, but there is no way
>an injected (or inhaled?) chemical is going to incapacitate faster
>than blood loss does.  (the exception: cyanide compounds?  It's moot,
>however, as non-lethality is surely a requirement)

There are "nerve agents" which can incapacitate rather quickly. However, I'm
pretty sure that we don't want people running around with some of these; the
biomechanisms by which they incapacitate are very unfriendly (violent
vomiting, muscle spasms, nerve paralysis). And since they can be produced in
quantity and introduced to incapacitate large numbers of people (hey, there's
that water canal which runs the length of California on its way to LA...),
they could be effectively used as a terrorist weapon.

>	There is a serial killer, Richard Kiklinsky (sp?), in jail now
>in the Trenton NJ state pen, who used to kill people by spraying something
>in their face.  The beauty of it was that he could do it in public and
>there was no noise or anything.   Cyanide something or other I think.
>Useless for self defense, of course, as it takes several minutes to
>kill, and it is dangerous and illegal to handle, I'm sure.

Prussic acid comes to mind; described as being fast-acting, absorbed through
the skin, death in 5 to 10 minutes. Probably quicker if introduced through the
eyes or nasal passages. Readily obtained.

>(Re utopian reliable & "safe" incapacitation device)

>>Would the gun-controllers want to ban it?  Or would they use its
>>availability as additional justification for banning real guns?
>
>Yes and yes.

Of course. Anything which makes you independent of the police. I've come to
believe that one of the hidden agendas of the gun-control crowd is an
increased reliance on police, which they will then use as a justification of
bigger and more heavily equipped police forces. If you think this is a crock,
take a tour of Parker center in LA some time and tell me what you think. While
you're there, ask yourself why a city police center needs to be so far
underground with rad-hardened shelters...

dsa
"My opinions. You get your own."

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: LSD: the early days
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:22:57 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <VTucPB1w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> scotc.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>
>> In article <63831@cup.portal.com> lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfrey
>>    >: I read somewhere that one of the founders of 
>>    >: Alcoholics Anonymous, Dr. Bob Smith, (or was
>>    >: it his partner, Bill Wilson) experimented with
>>    >: LSD for a time back in the 50s (I think).  The
>>    >: hope was to find some kind of alternative cure
>>    >: for alcoholism.
>During the LSD explosion in hollywood in the 60s it was claimed to
>be a cure for alcholism.

I believe there's a goodly body of research which supports this thesis -- WHEN
THE DRUG IS ADMINISTERED RESPONSIBLY, BY PROFESSIONALS, IN CONTROLLED SETTINGS.
This is not to say that I am against recreational use of LSD -- in many
circumstances, I'm all for it.  However, I don't think anyone's come forth with
a study suggesting that unsupervised use of LSD is a paneca for alcoholism.
This means exactly what is written -- no evidence for, none against.  LSD
treatment programs, on the other hand, do seem to work.


>
>SAC


-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon	 tls@panix.COM
  "Oh, you have wounded me!  I have very few prejudices, actually.  The
biggest problem is that I am intolerant of fools.  That is why I have
such a low tolerance level for Libertarians."  -- Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bytehead@bluemoon.rn.com (Bryan Price)
Subject: Re: FREE 1-YEAR NRA MEMBERSHIPS (Not Here!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:40:54 EDT

andre@vifp.monash.edu.au (Andre Ambrose) writes:

> If you believe guns dont kill youre a idiot.

Actually, fast moving lead slugs kill, not guns.
                       - from somewhere on the net...


Bryan L. Price    bytehead@bluemoon.uucp | bytehead@bluemoon.rn.com
                  1:226/30.1742 Fido
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From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 11 Aug 92 18:21:48 GMT
	<1992Jul30.195027.1638@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
	<1992Aug10.131409.9211@cc.gatech.edu> <Bss4Lv.KyG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Applications Software II, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu's message of 10 Aug 92 17:58:43 GMT

In article <Bss4Lv.KyG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita) writes:

   brianm@cc.gatech.edu () writes:
   >What makes you think I'll accept anything less than deregulation?
   [deleted]
   >Demand freedom, not compromise.

   Are you a true believer in liberty?  Herion for the masses, Suicide for
   the love sick, and freedom for other self-destructive behavior?  If so,
   then move over to alt.politics.  If not, move to alt.drugs.  

Perhaps he is a believer in a different liberty: John Cage wrote "To be
as free as the birds! Only the birds aren't free: they are fighting over
little scraps of food.  Maybe we are free as the birds, and equally
committed"

'scuse me... I believe this is your thread you dropped ... ;-)


--
Gary Lawrence Murphy - Gary.Murphy@software.mitel.COM - (613) 592-2122 x3709
       It doesn't matter how slow you go as long as you do not stop
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: LSD stories
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:27:48 GMT

chem91@rosie.uh.edu (Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789) writes:

>A "LSD is always dosed with almost-lethal doses of strychnine and gives you
>back pains(!)" article just appeard in... (no, not the Hayseed Valley Gazette)
>the Daily Cougar, the _student newspaper_ at the University of Houston, as
>a front-page article. 
>Who has some good stuff to debunk this article (good references always 
>help)?

   Simple. If one hit is supposedly dosed with a near-lethal amount, have
someone drop 10 hits and wonder why he's still alive. If he DOES happen
to die of strychnine poisoning...well, tough luck. ;-)
-- 
Jani Heinonen                  "The worm is not psychoactive."
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 --David A. Honig
From: rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: speed anyone? (info that is)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 04:10:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu



I could not find this in any of the FAQ's, so...

Does anyone have any info on "speed".  I'm NOT looking for typical
"urban myth", but rather "real" info.  Preferably something with
references. 

also, please e-mail the responses.

thanks.
robert.

rengen@usc.edu


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.125933.25490@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>Albert Hofmann's _LSD: My Problem Child_ mentions i.v. chlorpromazine
>(Thorazine) as an antidote for LSD.  Isn't this the same drug they use 
>to incapacitate large unfriendly animals for scientific tagging?

No.  That's a drug known as etorphine, and it's one of the most potent
opiates known.  The drug, in combination with a chlorpromazine-like
drug known as acepromazine, is known as Immobilon, and is used as a
veterinary anesthetic and capture agent for large animals.  The
opiate contributes the majority of its actions.

>Anyway, it might be handy for a tripper to have some of this around in case
>he wanted to abort a bad trip.  

Chlorpromazine, you mean.  The antipsychotic drugs, including
chlorpromazine, have a variety of undesirable side-effects.
These days, if simple reassurance and company doesn't suffice, a
benzodiazepine sedative like Valium is preferable.

>In addition, I'd like to have one of those animal-incapacitating dart guns
>around.  I'd rather not have to deal with the morality/legality of killing
>somebody who was trying to steal my car stereo.

Then you wouldn't use one of those dart guns, fer sure.
This stuff would be instant death if it were administered
to humans at the levels found there.

And anyway, I'm sure you could be liable if you involuntarily
administered any sort of drug to a perpetrator stealing your
car stereo, even if it didn't kill the person.

>Does anybody know what kind of permits are required to legally procure this
>stuff?  Or where I should look for more info?  The local newsstand is fresh
>out of "Chlorpromazine Hunter."  :^)

Etorphine HCl is a schedule II substance, I'm pretty sure.
The drug combination (Immobilon) would only be available
in the US through a veterinarian with a DEA license to
handle such substances.
-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Info on Majhoun?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:58:34 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.


Academic curiosity here, does anyone have a reliable recipe for
what was called Majhoun in Morocco (and maybe still is)?  From
what I recall it was based on hash, brown sugar, molasses, honey,
and the like.  Thanks...

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: storing mushrooms
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:11:36 GMT

RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:
>In article <9208020154.AA12383@wissel.stern.nyu.edu> 
>jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu (J C. McTigue) writes:

>> I have heard a lot of different things both on and off the net about
>> storing shrooms.  Can someone with experience please tell me a good
>> (preferably easy) way to store fresh shrooms?

>This past weekend I attended a seminar by Terence McKenna, Author of 'Food 
>of the Gods' and 'The Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide', among others. I 
>asked him about storage techniques, specifically canning, and his response 
>was, "Yeah, that sounds interesting. I don't see why not, and if you are 
>able to do that I would be interested in hearing about it. What I find 
>effective is drying the mushrooms and storing them in 5 gram quantities 
>using those plastic freezer wrap devices, like Seal-a-meal, and putting 
>them into the freezer. They should be good for several months. The ideal 
>situation would be to store them in a nitrogen atmosphere, though."

>So.... if you can find the Grower's Guide (penned under the pseudonyms 
>'Oss' and 'Oeric') I'm sure you'll have enough info to get started.
*----
There are a couple of glaring irregularities here in your post.  For
one thing, Oss and Oeric were laboratory assistants at Sandoz Drugs
in Switzerland.  They developed the techniques for cultivating
psilocybin mushrooms in the laboratory so Albert Hofmann could
identify and extract (and ultimately synthesize) the psychoactive
ingredients.  He did this using samples supplied by R. Gordon Wasson.

Now, I know that Oss and Oeric are real.  They've never mentioned
Terrence McKenna.  Are you sure HE's not the fictional character?

Now, as for the rest of the post, "I don't see why not" doesn't
appeal to me as a very credible response.  Proper canning requires
a lot of heat, and I'm not convinced you will retain the psychoactive
properties of the mushrooms in canning.

I have found freezing without killing the enzymes that break down
the mushrooms to be futile.  By the time your mushrooms have dried
enough to freeze safely, they will have already lost much of their
potency.

Using a heat sealer (AFTER preserving them) and a nitrogen atmosphere
are both good, however incomplete, ideas.

I hope you didn't pay anything for this seminar.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: andre@vifp.monash.edu.au (Andre Ambrose)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hyp
Summary: Paranoia
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:10:16 GMT
Reply-To: andre@vifp.monash.edu.au
Organization: Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology, Australia
Originator: news@brain

Attn: James DEl Vecchio,

Whos going to get you?

What about Elephant juice.

and do you think the grass has made you look over your shoulder just once too often.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: High Times (mushroom ads)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: international
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:53:57 GMT

I have seen the ad on the inside of the back cover of HT for some time now, 
that advertises a grow-shrooms-at-home kit from Homespun something.

Has anyone had any experiences with the company or the kit?  Please email me
or post here!   thanks


mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu

-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
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From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: LSD: the early days
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 15:30:44 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:

> 
> 
> I read somewhere that one of the founders of 
> Alcoholics Anonymous, Dr. Bob Smith, (or was
> it his partner, Bill Wilson) experimented with
> LSD for a time back in the 50s (I think).  The
> hope was to find some kind of alternative cure
> for alcoholism.
> 
> Another unrelated note: there was a group of
> European monks who tried to achieve enlightenment
> by drinking wine.  Apparently, it didn't work,
> but one would suppose they had a helluva time trying.
> Woodn't one?
> -- 
> =======================
> "Endeavor to persevere"
> =======================

        In _The Politics of Ecstasy_ Leary says Bill Winters said that 
LSD is a "natural cure" or something like that. (Whatever "natural cure" 
means is beyond me.) I know it's been done, and it worked. (Cured 
somebunall.)

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Ecstacy (X) dangerous? CNN British report ...
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:56:23 GMT

Paul Hager <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>I can believe that tainted drugs might have caused some "toxic
>reactions" if there is any truth in this report.  But heatstroke??

   MDMA is an amphetamine analog and has some stimulant properties. Anyway,
it seems pretty unlikely, unless he was taking huge overdoses. Sounds like
a bunch of morons who shouldn't do any drug because they don't have a clue
of what they're doing.

By the way, everything scientific that I've seen on this newsgroup and the FAQ
list about MDMA are somehow related to the neurotoxicity (sp?) or the
psychological, empathogenic properties. I'd really like to see a more complete
pharmacological profile of the drug!
-- 
Jani Heinonen                  "The worm is not psychoactive."
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 --David A. Honig
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:18:35 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug12.200446.15924@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
> 	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
> 	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
> 
> 
>  OK, you whinin' babies... :-) I will take it upon myself to put out a
> VERY SPECIFIC FAQ on the few syntheses of LSD and post it every week.
> Some of the texts are not quite so easy to get depending on what
> university one goes to. So in a week or so I'll have a nice "How To" FAQ
> ready. Maybe I'll run it past Lamont and Petrus and Jeremy to see if they
                                                      ^^^^^^
> have any input as well. This, I hope, will put an end to the unnecessary
> net-fussing.

Please do - I would like to see it and I have things ready to add.
Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Post-trip free association problems -- is this normal?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:27:58 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
: In article <orange.713665326@cunews>, orange@alfred.carleton.ca (Paul Vallee) writes:
: 
: How long do the effects of LSD last?
:     "8 hours or so"
: When can I do it again?
:     "In a week or two"
: Why not in eight hours?
:     "The tolerance lasts a week"

Not entirely true.  If you do an awful lot, then there may be some
tolerance level at work.  However, I've known plenty of people who've
tripped more than once in a week, in fact more than once in a few
days, and there was certainly no tolerance problem present.


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