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From: fleck@acsu.buffalo.edu (richard j fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna and braking
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:30:21 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Nov9.154332.16117@hubcap.clemson.edu> andy@poe.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS) writes:

>  When I watched the incident on replay, it is clear that Senna is going
>sideways when he hit Mansell.  It looks very much like he was trying
>to avoid a collision. 

In the replays I saw, it looked like Mansell slowed suddenly when Senna
expected him to be going deeper into the corner.  Senna was caught and 
then had to jump on the binders causing him to slew sideways into the
back of Mansell.  

As for Mansell complaining what did he have to lose.  Hell if I
was hit from behind I would complain also.


Rich Fleck
From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Turbos
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:01:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Could someone clarify a point for me?
I always thought that two turbos were better than one in the
category of reducing lag time.  I figured that if you had two
engines, one with a single turbo, and the other with two turbos
of half the size, the second would spool to full boost faster
because of less inertia per turbo.
I have always thought this, but Bob Varsha said at the Phoenix
GTP race that NPTI had gone to a single-turbo engine from a
twin-turbo in the intrest of reducing turbo lag?  Any turbo
experts out there?
-- 
      
Brian Wilson...                 Not from the Beach Boys!
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 09:49:44 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    '93 WC Grand Prix body

During the pre race interview Rusty Wallace talked breifly
about Pontiac making some changes to the front and rear
sheet metal of the Grand Prix. Sounded as if the changes
could make the Pontiacs more competitive at the super
speedways but he didn't give any more details than that.
I've been looking for more details or maybe even pictures
but haven't come up with anything. I'm hoping someone
out here might have some more info. I would greatly
appreciate any additional info on this.


                                       Mike Reed
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:12:20 GMT

Last week, Wendlinger clocked 1:21.51 at Barcelona.  Today's daily
newspaper says that Karl Wendlinger, driving the Sauber-Ilmor,
clocked a new best of 1:20.04 at Barcelona.  Nigel Mansell's pole
time at the GP in May was 1:20.19.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:27:29 EST
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Engines (was Re: F1: Tyrrell Announce Yamaha Deal)
 <720921233.26440@minster.york.ac.uk>
 <10702296.18.721283112@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
 <92314.164924JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <UEMURA.92Nov10153749@ashura.isl.melco.co.jp>

In article <UEMURA.92Nov10153749@ashura.isl.melco.co.jp>, uemura@isl.melco.co.jp
(Joe Uemura) says:

>In article <92314.164924JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan
>Swaby) writes:
> |>>Andrew Henry (bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk) wrote:
> |>>:
> |>>: This makes four engines in four years for Tyrrell.  The deal is
> |>>: for two years. Given that Yamaha's contract with Jordan was for

> |>>
> |>>Four engines in four years never hurt Toleman/Benetton much -- Hart, BMW,
> |>>Cosworth turbo and DFR (1985-88)
> |
> |
> |It wont be the same Yamaha engine. It will be a Judd V-10 with Yamaha
> |valve covers. The Judd engine is not bad, perhaps more  reliable than
> |the Ilmor Tyrrell ran last year. I think his best chance for having
> |a good season was when he ran Honda V-10s. They did well in the Footworks
> |cars this year.
> |

>I keep hearing about Hart V10s, Ilmor, Judd, etc. I believe all these
>engines are named after their tuners. Does anyone know who actually makes the
>base engines these folks tune? Also, as Jonathan implies above, will
>next year's Yamaha engine be a simple relabeled Judd V10 engine? If so,
>who makes the base Judd engine - Judd himself?
I think that all the engines are made by these company's. I do know
that Judd and Hart tune engines, but they also design their own. The
Ilmor motor is the companys own design. They are willing to sell it
to any company that can afford it. Chevy bought their Indy motor and
put the Bow tie on it. The Ilmor F1 engine was also up for sale. If
it does well it could become a Mercedes engine.
The Judd V-8 engine I think was built around the Honda F3000 V-8 motor.
My guess is that he designed new heads for the motor.
Brian Hart in the past had been a FORD man. I think the new V-10 is
probably a totally new design.

Jonathan Swaby

>Joe

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From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re:  SPEEDWEEK is TONITE. (really ... no Senna/Mansell/F1 drivel)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:01:00 GMT

pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes...
>That reminds me -- I heard SPEEDWEEK is on TONITE, early, 1930 EST,
>I think.  

Oh, boy. Here is a show whose advertisements feature far more rally 
coverage than the show itself. Talk about deceptive advertising.

George
From: rsv@gdwb.oz.au (Michael McGarrigle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna/Sauber
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:41:55 GMT

Australian Herald-Sun Newspaper 10/11/92

Senna's big switch,
Grand Prix sources have told the Herald-Sun that Senna is to race a Swiss
made Sauber car.
While the move may seem like a long shot for triple world champion Senna the
sources insist that its on.
etc.. 
etc..

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Roger and out.
From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: OK to drive 5 miles without coolant?
Keywords: hyundai excel radiator leak
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:51:46 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:

> This is a (technical) driving question, so I'll ask it here.  Sorry if
> it annoys, but I don't read the other.
> 
> My wife's 4-cyl Hyundai Excel (no more jokes, please) developed a
> coolant leak in the passenger compartment.  The seal around the
> piston that goes up and down to control the coolant flow behind
> the dash (heater valve?) presumably no longer seals.  To keep this
> from flooding the interior, I drained the radiator.  Now I want
> to take it to be fixed.  Can I drive ~5 miles to the shop without

In a word, No.  I would not risk it, it sounds like your wifes heater CORE 
has gone bad (A common VW watercooled problem).  If I were you, either 
"bypass" the core, by just re-routing the hoses, or get it towed.  5 miles is 
TOO far for any car to go with 0 water in the cooling system.

--
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    68' Cougar XR-7, 89' VW Golf, 74' Honda CL360t, Vextrex Unit Lover
Legal for off-road use only, which may never be used on a highway....
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Paying a Reasonable Price for Gas
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:14:47 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <92311.081953SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET writes:
>a) Phasing Out Leaded Fuels

>   Just because the US did it first (because your cities became all
>   smogged up one day and somebody noticed!) does not make you a
>   world leader I'm afraid. You just had to do it first because you
>   had a problem. I'm sure if I said that the Germans were the world
>   leader in car design because the car was invented here (which they
>   were) I'd get some argument.

But emission requirements in Europe are nowhere as tough as those of the
US. Ditto for safety standards. 

As for who invented the car, we can debate this for decades. Yes, we know
Prof. Otto invented the gas engine, but then I can run down a fairly 
impressive list of modern day achievments in the automobile industry and
you can tell me who invented them...

>   In Germany a potential problem was AVERTED by the use of catalytic
>   converters.

Which the folks whose name appears on this .signature invented, along with
mass scale production of electronic engine controls, etc, etc. 

>b) Subsidisies on Coal
>
>   I'm surprised you picked coal (I thought it was rape oil seed these
>   days). Subsidising an industry is an attempt to preserve the indutry
>   and to preserve the thousands of jobs that are associated with it. It

I could pick the auto industry (not in Germany, but, say, Italy, France)
as a classic example of subsidies.

>   is not an attempt to screw up the US. In the UK, you may remember, the
>   government attempted to shut 60% of all coal pits, killing off 30,000
>   jobs. It brings it all into perspective doesn't it?

So protectionism is right. Germany can sell all the BMW's they'd like in
the US but a Cadillac Seville STS ends up at $80,000 there...  Gee, now
if only we could sell Congress on this :-)

>   The US seems paranoid (this'll get me some flack!). If it's not the
>   Japanese out to get you, it's the Europeans! The US is quite happy when
>   everybody is being nice to them and playing the game their way, but

OK, explain to me why does an imaginary automotive electronics component
company have to build new plants in Europe to produce parts there so
that local content laws are met, instead of producing them (many times
at lower cost) in the US and exporting them. The other way (Europe to US)
has no restrictions. 

Sounds pretty convenient, doesn't it?

>   as soon as anybody else decides not to, there's all this furore about
>   unfair trading and placing huge levies on French imports (I'm sure the
>   wine connoisseurs in the US are going to be annoyed!).

How about EC subsidies? Many relatives of mine are rich off them. 

Spiros (personal opinions of course)
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From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: WIDE turns
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:30:35 GMT
Reply-To: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: sgi

In article <BxKJrz.Gso@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?! HA!!) writes:
|> maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU (Dragos Maciuca) writes:
|> 
|> >Maybe a rally driving techique called "pendulum turn"?   I doubt that that is
|> >necessary at an average intersection in the city.
|> 
|> Not to mention unheard-of.  If you stopped 100 drivers who dribbled off to
|> the right when making left turns and asked them, "Why did you do that?" chances
|> are that 99 44/100 of them would have no idea what a pendulum turn is.  For
|> that matter, a lot of them probably wouldn't know what a rally is.  Or a pen-
|> dulum.  (I don't like stupid drivers either.)  I think the primary cause is
|> those intersections where two or more lanes turn left.  People on the outside
|> get into the habit of cutting their left turns unnaturally wide to accomodate
|> the cars on the inside lane, and this habit carries over to one-lane left turns
|> as well.  Either that or it's just good ol' stupidity at work again.

Wait a minute, I thought it was those damn laws of physics again.
When you turn it takes effort because of the centrifugal acceleration, most
people are lazy, and put out the least amount of effort.

This brings up my pet peeve.  People who sit on the inside lane of a turn
around on a divided road, and then go to the outside. (cut across the lanes)
Just because they're to damn lazy to turn the wheel hard enough to make the
tight turn at the outside lane.

By the way, what is a pendulum turn?


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mikesteg
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: WIDE turns
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:43:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division

In article <1992Nov11.143435.22031@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, paula@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paula.valley) writes:
> Could someone give me ANY feasible reason as to why someone who does
> not drive a semi need to swerve to the right when making a left turn
> or vice-versa.  It seems lately a lot of people are doing this even
> if the turn they are making is plenty wide enough to avoid swerving.
> That is, besides the fact that MANY people in this area (Metro) are
> totally inept at driving and parking.
> 
> Sorry for the harshness.  Just a little aggrevated as a result of the
> drive in.
> 
> Paula Borden
-- 

Well I know of ONE person that doesn't drive like that anymore, I nailed
his ass to the curb.  Senario: He swings right, I pass left, he turns left.
I didn't hit him on purpose, snow prevented me from stopping.  Of course
he claims that his turn signal was on, you the kind, they put the turn
signal on as they turn the wheel, but that's another thread.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: stresres@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Vanetten)
Subject: Re: Night vision
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:07:28 GMT


I agree that more needs to be done to keep the bad ones off the roads, from
the old and unknowing, to the young and unknowing.  The problem seems to be
that you can't just stop every car to see if they are doing what they should.
And if you did, EVERYBODY would have a fit.  How would you like roadblocks 
on the main roads at night just to, "check on you"?  Sounds a bit like the
United Police States of America in my book.  Heck, I know kids who drive
to Driver's Ed..  But most of them have been driving tractors, grain trucks,
and everything else for years, and I would consider them better than the
standard newbie.  I think better testing is a good idea for everyone, 
but when you have waivers for doing well in Driver's Ed., no testing when
you renew your license, and other bull like that, it won't get better ever.
I just take the good with the bad, and keep my eyes AND ears open, expect
that NOBODY sees me, and watch my back.  I think I have done enough rambling,
but I want to say one thing more.  It may be the stupid-other-guy-gal-old-
young-person's fault, but all that means is that they buy your coffin for
you.


(Sorry for the retoric, but
when you see how far 5 quarts
of a 15 year-olds blood spreads
it can make you think.)

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Police bike/cruiser safety (was: Perot's proposed gas tax)
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:46:18 GMT

In article <27742@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <9ugNTB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP> joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
>>cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>
>>> In fact, police motorcyclists have 20% less accidents than police car
>>> drivers, which fits quite nicely with the above estimate, and in this
>>> case we _are_ comparing like populations of drivers and uses.
>
>>I suspect that number is the number of accidents per YEAR, not per
>>MILE. 
>
>I should have mentioned that the figure was _per_mile_; that was the
>context of the previous discussion.

We don't have police motorcyclists in my area, so this is speculation:

It is possible that police motorcyclists are better trained, or drive
more conservatively, than the average citizen motorcyclist, whereas
police car drivers may not be given special attention, and thus drive
no differently from anyone else.

It may also be that police motorcycles are generally not used in
hazardous situations in which a car would be safer, e.g., high-speed
pursuit.  I suspect that once a cruiser arrived on the scene of a
chase, the motorcycle would be called off for the safety of the
officer.  In other words, cruisers may see more hazardous duty than
motorcycles.
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: ***Police intimidation ???
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:36:47 GMT

hasch@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Veljko Roskar) writes:

>a) plead NOT guilty: tell your story and the judge finds
>you GUILTY. You then pay the FULL fine and get points.

'points'?  "disobeying a police officer" is a TRAFFIC offense?

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From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Dirk Gently)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: What's the "Collegiate Driving Challenge"?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:53:39 GMT
Organization: Holistic Detective Agency
Distribution: world
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Dirk Gently)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lockheedmac8.larc.nasa.gov

> I saw a flyer posted in one of the buildings here that advertised the 
>"Collegiate Driving Challenge" which supposedly lasts all weekend.  There's
>a picture of a '93 Ford Probe GT on it.  It says it's sponsored by the 
>Society of Automotive Engineers and it says all you need is a student ID and
>a drivers license.  Does this mean we get to tear it up in a new Probe
>or do we all get to race RC cars or something and admire the Probe at the
>same time.  Basically just curious...

It means you get to drive a car with the gear shift chained in 2nd gear with 
a engine rpm limiter around a course set up with cones.  It's good for a shot 
of addrenalin if you don't race often.  By the way, you might want to practice 
driving with your right foot on the accelerator (floored) and your left foot on 
the brake.  

Dave

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From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: LIDAR demo on Discovery Channel
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:54:15 GMT
Reply-To: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Nov12.203742.7724@news.columbia.edu>, scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:

|> 	Happened to me once too. On my motorcycle, the cop didn't like
|> 	the looks of me or my friend (who was holding his arms out on
|> 	either side like wings) so he charged me with reckless driving and
|> 	speeding with no indication of speed or how he knew on the ticket.
|> 	The speeding stuck. 
|>

Sound reasonable to me.  I don't know about the speeding, but reckless driving
is when you get three infractions at once, and they just group them together.
What were the other two?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Braking distances.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:18:19 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.074721.2136@nntp.hut.fi> jaa@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Jari Alasuvanto) writes:
>
>Elementary physics (not counting the time to react):
>		     2	
>	umgs = 1/2 mv
>		where 
>			u is the coefficient for friction (depends on
>			the road surface, tires etc. but not on the tire
>			size (directly). Typically around 0.3 (dry road,
>			good tires)
>			m is the weight of the car

M is the MASS of the car. ;-)

[Analysis omitted.]

>	So that breaking distance is dependent on the square of the
>	speed and the friction between tires only.  So that if you are
>	going 100 km/h (about 60 mph), the breaking distance is about
>	131 m ( about 430 ft).

Then perhaps you can explain to me why a Mazda RX-7 can stop in only 119
feet from 60 MPH? Also, if I'm not mistaken, is not the process of
"braking" merely the conversion of the vehicle's kinetic energy (ke =
1/2mv**2) into heat energy via the brake pads? If so, then your
assertion that m, the mass of the car, doesn't factor into braking
distances is clearly untrue. If mass had no effect, then a 12 ton semi
could stop on a dime just as a little British sports car can.

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