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From: dan@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel Heath)
Subject: Re: The K2000 vs. SY99 debate - SY99 Owner
Followup-To: dan@catt.ncsu.edu
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.021138.4988@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson) writes:
>
>One thing I'm not pleased with is the limited poliphony of the K2000.
>Only 24 voices!  You loose 8 whole voices compared to say the Proteus
>or that wonderful Korg 01/W Pro!


Well, not exactly....

Most of the boxes I know of with 32-voice polyphony require you to use TWO
of those voices to do anything very interesting.  Since the K2000 has 96 (!)
oscillators, you can create AMAZING sounds without losing ANY of the 
polyphony.

Basically, when it comes to the K2000, normal math doesn't apply anymore :-)

                                                 
                                     Later,
                                     Dan Heath
                                     dan@catt.ncsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: pink@Rosie.UH.EDU (Pink is Slack)
Subject: wrt: Poliphany and the K2000
Reply-To: pink@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:59:30 GMT

I suspect that one reason the K2000 only has 24 voices of polyphony is that 
each voice has a DSP based algorythm to process it: ie: there are 24 channels
of DSP processing (not counting the efffects chip).
 
I bet they are using a pair of Motorola dsp56001's.  To add a third would
have increased the number of voices, but would have also added athird
to the cost of the machine.  I bet they will upgrade to 32 at some 
future point when it becomes cost effective.
 
The route allows a whole lot more versatility in processing a voice than 
would building a set of digital filters and each of the other modulators
in discrete chips for each voice.  Look at it this way:  They can improve
the sound or add more options to the Synth by upgrading their software
(ie: the program that these DSPs are running) rather than having to
build another synth with different hardware.  I think this approach is MUCH
more flexible....
 
It's the old flexibility/complexity trade off.
 
(Please note: this is conjecture- I haven't looked inside a K2000 to see
the architecture)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: Attn: MIDI Newcomers!
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:09:56 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Jul30.162158.12570@informix.com>, rfisel@informix.com writes:
>> asrbb@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>> 
>> >Attention MIDI Newcomers!                                            
>> 
>> >Don't post to this newsgroup if you need assistance or information about
>> >MIDI topics.  Speaking from experience, the people who post here are not
>> >interested in your problems or troubles...you're on your own!
>> 
>> >Sorry about that, but that's just the way it seems to go and I thought
>> >I'd save you some time.  Try the magazines and users groups in your area
>> >if you want support.
>> 
> While I'm basically in sympathy with this poster (aren't we all tired of those  
> "tell me what synth to buy for $25" posts), I was a newbie not so long ago  
> myself, and still get a few problems with my setup. I also notice a LOT of  
> posts by people who know just a little music theory (just enough to be  
> dangerous ;=)), and there was an FAQ assembled from that, including all the  
> posts that were way wrong. That is another topic where books and courses are  
> readily available, but no one said "Hey kid, go get a B.Mus. before posting" on  
> that one. 
> 
> Aren't we being overly harsh to tell newbies to just go away? Would  
> rec.music.beginners be a possibility for these folks to ask questions, while  
> still reading here for info?
> 
> Rick Fisel 
> opinionated employee of opinionless
> Informix Software
> I prefer replies by email. 

Hear, Hear, Rick!  I really get tired of various self-appointed net_police (tm)
on this and other news groups deciding who should post what/when/how.  You know
the sort of message: "Don't post until you read this group for 1000 years; it's
my playground, now get out!"  Reminds me of my grammar school days when if your
weren't part of the "kickball clique" you could sit on the bench forever.  
  
When the guy from Alaska buys his own wires and
the pursuads thousands of computer owners to attach to it and store and forward
messages FOR FREE, then he can dictate net use to his heart's content.  Until
then, this is a public service available to nearly anyone who has access to a
computer network.  It's interesting, fun, and informative.  If Alaska doesn't
like some of the posts, invest in a kill file.

Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's)
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Sequential Prophet VS
Summary: I got one.
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:16:44 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul22.062648.25378@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Salvador Trousertrout) writes:
>Does anybody else have one of these?  And if so, is it healthy?

I own one, that is in about as good a condition as a synth built in 1986
can be. It was recently refurbished by Wine Country, the folks who specialize
in keeping Prophets alive, and works perfectly. What else do you want to
know? It may be for sale soon, if you're interested. The latest software
rev is 1.2, which it has. And I have a service manual and schematics, as
well as a fair amount of knowledge on the more likely problems they may
run into (my current record: diagnosing one in Australia via "talk" while
logged in at home).

My dumbest move in the history of my studio: trading away a VS rack for it.
Stupid stupid stupid! (But I did make friends with Celine Dion's touring
keyboardist in the proces, so what the hell....)

Pros: Front panel interface fairly straightforward, including easy and
intuitive vector mixing and envelope andjustment via joystick. Best damn
arpeggiator (that works, which rules out the cyclone) that you can buy
today, except MAYBE the Emax's. MIDI implementation quite good for 1986.
Sounds like God on Angel Dust.

Cons: No knobs. MIDI Local Off works, but the arpeggiator is on the wrong
side of the dividing line (it's in with the synth as a slave module, not
with the keyboard as a controller, duh). Bogs down in Local Off if fed
large amounts of controller data. Modulation routings are braindead. MIDI
implementation stinks in 1992. Totally tromps on any mix you use it in.


>And whatever happened to the guy that founded Sequential (Dave Smith?)?

Last I heard, he was working for Korg R&D here in the USA, designing the
Wavestation and Wavestation A/D, the digital godchildren of the VS. Nice
machines with some real innovations, but I wish they had real filters and
arpeggiators in them....


--
metlay@  | 
minerva. | "YOW! He done blowed out his FRONTAL LOBE!"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: Live Performance Question
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:15:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> writes:
>"John J. Ladasky II" <ladasky@NETCOM.COM>
>
>>The short answer is that you add a computer to your system, and write
>>a program that does the job.
>
>How about two shorter answers: (a) a programmable MIDI pedalboard,
>used on stages the whole world 'round.  (b) a sequencer (the cheap
>solution if you've already got one) which can send program changes,
>volume changes, etc. to all your devices.  Just "play" a new sequence
>at the start of each song.  This assumes that you can have a voice
>on each synth or sampler called "Silence" and an effect program on
>each effects box called "Bypass".
>
>There must be something wrong with a solution this simple.

	Well, I can think of a problem with the sequencer solution.  If
you make patch changes DURING a song, then you need to load a new sequence 
with your middle-of-the-song program changes while you are playing.  You'll
probably need to grow an extra pair of arms for this maneuver.

	Are the programmable MIDI pedalboards you're talking about the ones
that are showing up in guitar rigs?  This sounds like an interesting 
approach.  Has somebody built one with an internal merge?  How big are these
things?  Would I have enough room for one and still be able to reach my
damper pedal?


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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Regarding Marc Webster's K2000/SY99 comments
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:47:40 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <9207282011.AA17496@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>On the synthesis side it does not surprise me that the K2000 and SY99 are
>distinguishable in sound or color.
>[good stuff deleted]

Allow me to elaborate a little this topic.  You are correct thath the K2000
originally had some FM algorithms in the design.  Apparently Yamaha made
some threatening noises at YC prompting them to remove the FM algorithms
The YC rep I talked to insists that Yamaha's patent on FM has expired but
the threat of lawsuit was still there anyway.  I don't know what to believe.

It's too bad that the K2000 doesn't have FM on the same level as the SY99.
IMHO that leaves a large sonic domain untouched by the K2000.  However,
the K2000 seems to more than make up for it in other ways.  Also, I
should point out the the SY99 does subtractive synthesis quite well so
there is some overlap of capability between the two instruments.

As far as sample playback goes, I think someone in this newsgroup 
said it all when he pointed out that Yamaha simply has a different
idea of what sounds good than Kurzweil.  I've gone through the raw, 
unprocessed, samples on both the SY99 and the K2000.  I can honestly say 
that objective qualities of the sample playback capabilities are more or
less the same.  They both seem to have adequate DACs although it
is possible that the same sample loaded into both machines might
still sound different in a controlled A/B test.

The factory samples themselves are, of course, quite different.  My
experience with the K2000 is not as extensive as with the SY99, but
*subjectively*, I find great and mediocre samples on both machines.

What it comes down to is the K2000's ability to process the samples.
The SY99 offers very little other than resonant filters and some
on-board effects.  If you want *real* manipulation of timbre then
you need to work with the FM half (and you can inject samples into
the FM engine with interesting results).  The K2000 has some wonderful
processing algorithms that can help create that analog warmth or,
on the other extreme, make it sound thin and weak.

Although I have an SY99 and I'm very pleased with it, I find it
hard to justify the price difference between it and the K2000.
I think the K2000 is a better instrument and I plan to buy one
soon.  However, I don't think it is *that* much better and I
expect my SY99 to complement the K2000 in just the right ways.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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From: GFCARDINALE@poppy.ucdavis.edu (GEOGORY F. CARDINALE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: For Sale:  20 MB Internal SCSI HD:  $55 + 1/2 shipping
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:11:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

I figured that with samplers being SCSI compatible now, some readers of this
newsgroup may be interested in buying a SCSI HD.  If this post is inappropriate
for rec.music.synth, don't burst a vein, just send me a reasonable e-message.
Anyway, the following HD is for sale:


20 MB Internal SCSI HD
Miniscribe Drive
*NO* hardware, i.e. mounting bracket or SCSI cable included.

Asking:  $55.00 + 1/2 shipping costs (within cont. US).

Reply via e-mail to address below.

Thanks.

Greg C.
gfcardinale@ucdavis.edu
From: glennd@george.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: New Oberheim OB-MX?
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:03:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035

Does anyone have any information on when the new Oberhiem OB-MX (or whatever its 
present name is) is to be released?  Or what its supposed to retail for?
This sounds like the perfect fix for a retromanic.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: sherman@ecad2.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: D70 SysX problem
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:31:05 GMT


In article <14f4c0INN4au@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM>, warlock@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Richards Montgomery) writes...
>I'm having a problem transferring SysX files between my D70 and Cakewalk3.0.
>Actually, I can do all the transfers *to* the midi bulk storage device 
>(Cakewalk3.0 System Xclusive screen: D70 One-way-mode {I can't get
>Handshake mode to work}).  Problem is I can't dump SysX back
>into the D70.  I turn SysX 'On' and set unit# to 32 on my D70, then I hit
>Send (or Send All) from Cakewalk...One of 2 things happens:
> 
>	1) My D70 squawks:     1: Midi Buffer Full
>					&
>			       2: Exclusive Communication Error
> 
>	2) The D70 shows no errors but the internal memory remains unchanged.
> 
>I've also tried starting Cakewalk with the -D option (to slow down SysX
>transfers to the D70) with the same unfortunate results.  I heard that I
>could provide an argument after "cakewalk -D" to control the SysX speed
>directly but mine hardcodes in a 1/18th second delay that is still too fast.
>Also, I can dump between the D70 Internal Memory and Ram card with no problem.
> 
>Does anyone have any ideas?

My first guess is that you may have "THRU" enabled on the D70 and/or your
protect switch is "ON".  With "THRU" enabled in Cakewalk during a dump to the 
D70 it's possible you have sysex flying all over and the system messes up.

This doesn't explain why you are able to dump to Cakewalk unless "THRU" is
disabled during recording.  As I recall, anytime the D70 is sending sysex it
does not want to see any sysex coming in.  But, your protect switch should be
"ON" when you dump from the D70.  

Also, you are probably already aware of this, but you need to make sure the
unit number is the same when dumping each way.  I leave mine at 17 which is
(I think) the default you get from the factory.

Steve

>(Please copy warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM on any responses as my
>  News reader is extremely unfriendly and unpredictable :)

>Thanks,
>  Dennis
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Benny the Bump)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: New Oberheim OB-MX?
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:53:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Jul24.010358.16718@riacs.edu> glennd@george.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff) writes:

*Does anyone have any information on when the new Oberhiem OB-MX (or whatever its 
*present name is) is to be released?  Or what its supposed to retail for?
*This sounds like the perfect fix for a retromanic.

There is no information available, but they sure are having a rough time
shipping a Matrix-1000 to me.

Rumored price is $2k for 2 voices, $5k for 12.  Maybe when my band gets that
record deal....

                    Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com>          

          "Whoso pulleth this linoleum knife from the mailman is 
                        King born of all England!"
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re: The K2000 vs. SY99 continued
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:13:03 GMT


> I don't know what kind of effects the SY99 has, but it wouldn't surprise me
> if it were better.

The effect in the SY77 got lots of complaints so Yamaha replaced the effect
unit in the SY99 -- they are the among best effects I have ever heard (they
sound gorgeous).  They are the same effects that go into their SPX1000 (or one
of the newer SPX's).

marc webster
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: NetJam is famous now! |->
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:22:11 GMT
	<14skouINNh37@rodan.UU.NET>
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: kyle@rodan.UU.NET's message of 25 Jul 92 22:31:58 GMT

In article <14skouINNh37@rodan.UU.NET> kyle@rodan.UU.NET (Kyle Jones) writes:

   Yes, Nick.  Repeat after me "The M1 is your friend, the M1 ..."

The M1 is your friend. The M1 is your friend. (It sure as hell isn't mine.)

Nick.
--
  Nick Rothwell, LFCS, Edinburgh | "Say, how many contemporary dancers are
               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:09:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: resonance processor?/Eventide Ultra-Harmonizer?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

In rec.music.synth, jamesmc@ut-emx.uucp (James McCartney) writes:

>    The LXP-1 does have a cheap version of this with 12 string resonators.
> The algorithm used seems a little grungy in that the string decay happens
> in steps rather than smoothly. Real strings have a filter effect that
> causes high harmonics to die away first, and whatever filtering is being
> done on the LXP-1 if any is not as natural.

OK, I've gotten my hands on one of these, but it is not at all obvious how to
do this (no button on front that says "resonance".  Will it be perfectly clear
when I get my hands on the manual next week, or would someone care to point me
in the right direction?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Sabatella           Winner, 1992 First Annual Bill Evans Lookalike Contest
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dorlexa )
Subject: Re: NetJam is famous now! |->
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:51:31 GMT


I'm interested in this NetJam.  How do I get involved, and are they standard
MIDI sequence files?  I believe my SY77 will handle these..

Jeff

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:25:06 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Live Performance Question
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@ada3.ca.boeing.com

"John J. Ladasky II" <ladasky@NETCOM.COM>

>The short answer is that you add a computer to your system, and write
>a program that does the job.

How about two shorter answers: (a) a programmable MIDI pedalboard,
used on stages the whole world 'round.  (b) a sequencer (the cheap
solution if you've already got one) which can send program changes,
volume changes, etc. to all your devices.  Just "play" a new sequence
at the start of each song.  This assumes that you can have a voice
on each synth or sampler called "Silence" and an effect program on
each effects box called "Bypass".

There must be something wrong with a solution this simple.

Bob
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Portamento...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:00:05 GMT
From: imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Evolution EVS1
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:02:43 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.


Does anyone have any info on the Evolution EVS1 rack synth module?
It is going for about 200 pounds new, or 100 second hand, and on spec, sounds
very useful for the money...
Apparently (according to the advert hype-blurb) it is:

- 16 note poly, 8 channel multitimbral
- Sampled drum kits
- Various synthesis methods, including FM, AWM, LA, Analogue, Wavetable etc etc
- Built in Fx
- Edited via Atari software which is provided free.

Sounds good, OR IS IT?? I must say for a ton, I'm tempted since it fulfills all
the criteria for cheap crappy gear that I can't resist. After all, I couldn't
resist the DX21, MT32, CZ101/1000, TX81Z, K1, MS10, or even the godawful Yamaha
CX5m.
Hmmm. Maybe I should sell all the old crap and get a K2000...nah.

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