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From: meinel@aero.org (Edward S. Meinel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:28:46 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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Get a 13-30. You can never have too low of a granny gear.
If you are riding on the road with the off-road tires,
a 12 is almost useless except for tail winds and
downhill sections.

BTW, I just finished setting up my Trek 8700 for dual purpose
duty, i.e. heavy duty mountain riding _and_ fast road riding.

I have two sets of identical wheels. The mountain set has
a 13-30 cog(set) and Matrix 2.125" tires. The road set has
a 12-21 cog(set) and Specialized Nimbus 1.125" tires. This 
gives a good range of gears for 99% of the time on the road
(24:21 on the low end is good enough for any hill you might
encounter on paved roads; 46:12 is high enough for anything
except strong tail winds). 

I also installed the Profile Airstryke aerobar(set). The narrow
clamps allow it to be mounted on even the most cluttered 
mountain bike handlebars. Just this morning on the way to work,
I found that the aero position gave me an extra 2 mph on flat
roads.

One word of caution: the road tires allow higher cornering angles.
COAST through the corner with the inside pedal up, if you are 
going fast. The combination of small tires, small wheels and long
crank arms doesn't allow you to pedal through high-speed cornering.

Ed (meinel@aero.org)
1992 Trek 8700 (daily driver)
1990 Fisher Gemini
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: brinskelle@convax.iar.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Reply-To: brinskelle@convax.iar.nrc.ca
Organization: National Research Council,Ottawa,Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:46:22 EDT

In rec.bicycles.misc, article <1992Aug26.202808.18186@cis.ohio-state.edu> <1992
writes:

>I have considered getting a hybrid but I'm wondering how it will
>impact my riding with others who use road bikes on long rides (e.g.,
>20-50 miles).  I am a non-competetive rider and enjoy the country
>routes, where sometimes the road is rough.  My riding companions
>average around 15-17 mph, and I can just keep up.  If I switch to a
>hybrid, will I notice a big difference in my ability to keep up?

No you will not notice a big difference, so YES buy a hybrid!!!  I used to
own both a 12-speed racing bike and a mountain bike,  but unless you are a
very intensive rider then you will not get maximum return from the mountain
bike, and unless you only ride on paved roads you won't get max. return
from a racing bike.  But if you're like 95% of us and take a few shortcuts
across dirt paths/sidewalks/parks/etc..., then you'll enjoy a hybrid.

Plus they look cooler too.

Jeff.
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From: laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov (Soren LaForce)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:38:00 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Sep1131639@claw.clearpoint.com>, jeff@claw.clearpoint.com writes...
>On 31 Aug 92 20:28:40 GMT, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) said:
> 
>Tom> In article <16854B8A5.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org> M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
> 
>Tom> (comments about riding on the 'wrong' side of the street being stupid)
>A

Lots of good stuff deleted.

> 
>They should signal turns (okay, the cars around here rarly do this),
>they should not be on the sidewalks, they should stop at lights and
>stop signs, and they should not be on the wrong side of the road.  If
>they don't follow these rules (like riding on the wrong side of the
>road), like a car, they should expect to get in an accident.
>--

Yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!!

You want to be treated like a car, drive like a car!  Ok, ok, if it's 
clear, I usually only drop to about 5mph at a stop sign.


> 



--Soren            laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov
From: jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu (JoJo was a man...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Frequency of flats
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:11:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1685070DC.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>In article <ZX85PB2w165w@toz.buffalo.ny.us>
>augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger) writes:
> 
>>
>>
>>     I have a Ross Parragon and I recently bought 27 x 1 1/4" tires made
>>by Schwinn. Since then I have had two inner tubes become flat. The hole
>>is big enough that I can not take a 10 mile ride, without it deflating to
>>the point of uncomfort.  I have only put 400 miles on these tires. Am I
>>doomed to buying a new tube every 200 miles? Or am I buying an easily
>>damaged tube? Is this milage normal for a flat or is it completely
>>random?  Thank You -Jeff
>>
>1.Inspect your tire- whatever flatted the first tube may still be in there! Run
>your fingers lightly inside the tire, feeling for bits of glass or metal.
> 
>2. Are you inflating the tires sufficiently? If not, you will get "snakebite"
>punctures when the tube is squeezed between the tire and rim. Look for two
>punctures side by side.
> 
>3. Maybe you have a spoke protruding too far, or a torn rim strip that
>allows the tube to inflate  into the spoke well. Inspect the rim for these
>problems. Long spokes can be filed or clipped; new rim strips or rim tape
>are available at the bike store. Avoid Michelin rim strips!
> 
>4. If your tube has a large tear in it, as opposed to a tiny slit, you may
>not be properly seating the tire on the rim, allowing the tube to blow out
>between the tire and rim.
> 
>(Any other thoughts, bikies?)
	Try tube goop.
	Buy a bottle of the stuff from your fave bike shop.          
	Remove the valve stems from your tubes, and squirt the recommended
amount of goop into the tires.  Replace the valve stem and inflate the tire
normally.  The goop fills up little pinhole leaks, which can often cause a
whole lot of misery.
	The stuff works.  I rode my MTB through a cactus (a small one) this
summer.  lots'a holes with green goo oozing out of them (it hardend
when it's exposed to air), but no leaks.
	Goop doesn't really add much weight to your bike, and, IMHO, it's
worth the money you pay for it.


 
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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Ding resistance of 26x1.4" tires?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:16:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.195441.27208@leland.Stanford.EDU> pcl@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Chiao Liu) writes:
>Hi,
>I've been thinking of switching from Ritchey Quad 1.9" tires on my mtb
>to a narrower, lighter, road-style tire, maybe a Ritchey Tom Slick 1.4".
>
>My question here concerns rim dings.  How hard can you ride 1.4" tires
>without getting dings?  Is pumping them up to max pressure (maybe 90-100
>psi) sufficient to avoid dings on curbs, large potholes, or when offroad
>traversing small rocks or ruts? Does it almost guarantee no dings? I
>weight about 150 lbs, in case that matters, and carry another 10-15 lbs.
>of water, tools, food, etc. typically, and I'm not especially a
>"power" mountain biker, hanging air, or anything like that.

My commute bike is equipped with the 1.4" Tom Slick tires you mention.
I weigh 195 and my bike weighs probably 35 lbs.  I run them around 60psi
and have never pinch-flatted or dinged my wheel.  Granted, I slow down
for curbs and know how to unweight the rear wheel.  Still, I'm lazy about
pumping-up my tires.  A co-worker with the same wheels (and bike too)
runs full-speed into curbs w/no problems other than the occasional pinch
flat and embarassing "get-off."  He recently switched over to 1.25 tires
and promply got a pinch-flat (but no rim ding).

Not all tires are marked equally.  After testing dozens of tires, I've
found that most tires measure much smaller than marked.  I suggest
actually measuring the tires that you're considering to see how they
compare to each other.

I've had good luck with the following tires:

Specialized Nimbus (the larger sizes; 700x41C)
Continental Top Touring (again, the larger sizes; 700x47C)

Both are avialable in 26" versions in equivalent widths.

>I'm probably being paranoid, but I do like the security of knowing that
>a 1.9" tire pumped up to 70-80 lbs. will keep my rims round and smooth if
>I happen to not see something. The reason I'm thinking of switching is
>that a lot of my riding is on-road, but I still like taking the odd
>detour.

Ritchey does make (or did as of last year) a 1.6" version of the Quad.
It's typically found as OEM on entry-lever mountain bikes and can
be had pretty cheaply.

>Paul Liu
>pcl@power.stanford.edu


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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:45:22 GMT

In article <schinder.715015744@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov> schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
>In <1992Aug28.142757.3232@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug28.123104.5775@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
>>>
>>>how about 'ride *with* traffic -- it's the law'?  (it *is* the law
>>>here in MA)
>>>
>
>>Does anyone know what the law is in N.J.?
>
>The law is the same everywhere in the US and Canada.  Ride a bike on
>the right side (with traffic), obeying all traffic laws.  Riding
>against traffic is not only illegal, it increases your risk of being
>injured enormously.
>
>--

After reading everyone's responses I think I am going to
change my attitude about yelling at cyclists. No more
net.wimp, now it's net.TERMINATOR.


-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:18:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.194418.14053@Happy-Man.com>, josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:
|> In <Kevin_Bailey-250892082306@msdmac36.msd.anl.gov> Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Aug25.012051.18138@indetech.com>, lzs@indetech.com ()
|> >wrote:
|> >> 
|> >> I have a problem that is interfering with my enjoyment of cycling. If
|> >> I cycle for more than about 2 hours, my neck and (esp) shoulder muscles
|> >> start to KILL me!! And for the next several days, I have to take anti-
|> >> inflammatories and pain killers. Not good!!!
|> 
|> >Hmm, I experienced the same thing this spring after buying a new MTN bike. 
|> >After concentrating on my riding position I discovered that I had my arms
|> >either locked or very stiff.  Between that and my deathgrip on the bars I
|> >had no shock absorption and was giving my neck and back a real hammering. 
|> 
|> Being too tense is one possibility, another is
|> mis-distributing the load between saddle and bars so that
|> your shoulders are doing too much work.  This is usually a
|> function of the distance from the saddle to the bars
|> and/or the relative height of the saddle and the bars.

There's a lot of variables. If you do hilly or bumpy places, you might
want some reach forwards. Some extra room is helpful for tight turns.
However, if you ride level ground most of the time, you may want to sit
up more.

Rest, nutrition, and upper body strength may help.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:47:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


No one has mentioned that you could also roll up your right pants leg
so that it won't "flop" over into thechain.

Flip


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From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.195325.4097@ddsw1.mcs.com> starkid@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Lance Sanders) writes:
>
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:11:59 GMT, ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne 
>McGregor and Brett Delmage), in Message-ID: 
><1992Aug27.001159.11425@micor.ocunix.on.ca> write:
>
>>>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you 
>>>handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom? 
>>>How do you handle being sweaty from the ride? 
>>
>>1. Have a shower before you leave home, and use anti-perspirant.
>
>   The most effective deodorant you can use is a mineral crystal/stone; 
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                      I've never heard of this.  What is it,
                                      how does it work, and where are they 
                                      available?

      
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:27:30 GMT

In <crystal.714718410@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:

>In <1992Aug25.030441.7671@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (General Protection Fault) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug25.023438.27598@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu
>>(Chris Meadows) writes:
>>+
>>+Unfortunately, the chain and
>>+sprocket keeps catching and chewing up my right pants legs.  Is there
>>+anything I can do to prevent this?
>>+
>>+---Chris Meadows

>>There sure is!  Get a piece of elasticized velcro strap and wrap it arownd your
>>leg when you ride.  

>Or wear shorts, or those tight latex pants. :>

Yet another use for old innertubes!

Seriously, I have occasionally used cut-up innertubes for
this.  They tie on easily, work well, and cost nothing so
I don't mind forgetting them if I ride to work in
rainpants but come home in shorts.  They also make good
emergency bungie cords, clamp shims, 3rd-hand tools for
brakes, etc.
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From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Recumbents (was Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:58:42 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)


	Get a recumbent.  I've been thinking a lot about recumbents
recently, and just this evening tried one out, not exactly the first
time, but easily the first time without any assistance.  It will be
better for your neck, and better for your back.  I'm still not sold
on the VISIBILITY thing, but I need more information.

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From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.190100.28995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>
>On a totally different subject, last night when I was out riding
>I almost collided with two kids (~15 years old) cycling against traffic.
>
>I wanted to say something like "wrong side of the street" but
>I didn't want to sound obnoxious.  Suggestions on what to say?

Just this morning I saw a ~40 year old riding a bike on the wrong side of a
highway. He ran a red nearly collided into the side of a vehicle and then
proceeded to cut into the middle lane so he could go around me (I was waiting
to make a right at the light). The best I could do was stair at him in
disbelief and shake my head. I would have loved to have said something to him,
something quick and profound. It types like that that give cyclists a bad name.

NJC
From: chrisv@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 15:23:35 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: chrisv@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

john.t.erhardt writes:
>It really annoys me when people say they don't want a road bike because
>it won't handle the roads they ride on.  Cyclocross riders have been
>doing it all along.  If you can't handle some gravel or dirt with
>700x20 or 23 tires then you don't know how to ride your bike. 

You can certainly stay upright on 20-23mm clincher tires off-road, but riding
any real distance will almost guarantee pinch flats unless you weigh
very little.  With 28-32mm tires you can ride on dirt roads all day without
problems.  Which is why I would never buy a road bike that wouldn't take
28mm tires...
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:54:05 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <17tdhnINN112@overload.lbl.gov> chrisv@carnival.lbl.gov
(Chris Moll) writes:

>...  With 28-32mm tires you can ride on dirt roads all day without
>problems.  ...

would you believe 25 mm?  Slicks!  On a Bianchi road bike?

Yes we have no mountain bikes today.



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders)
Subject: Re: HYBRID BIKES
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:19:20 GMT

mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:

>I have considered getting a hybrid but I'm wondering how it will
>impact my riding with others who use road bikes on long rides (e.g.,
>20-50 miles).  I am a non-competetive rider and enjoy the country
>routes, where sometimes the road is rough.  My riding companions
>average around 15-17 mph, and I can just keep up.  If I switch to a
>hybrid, will I notice a big difference in my ability to keep up?

I, too, have been faced with this dilemma.  Here is my solution:
I have a Sport/Touring road bike with tiny 700Cx20 racing tires -- thus, too
small for any but smooth, paved roads.  I am going to buy an extra set of wheelsfor the bike, and mount 700Cx30, 90-110psi knobbies on them.  The Sport/Touring
brakes and frame allow plenty of clearance for the larger tires (unlike many
pure racing bikes).  Also,  I plan to buy a set of MTB/Cross straight handlebarsand mount them on their own stem, complete with brake cables.  To make the 
switch from Sport/Touring to CrossBike, I just pop on the alternate wheels, pull
out the brake cables and handlebar/stem assembly, install the new one, and 
VOILA!  I'm ready for some light off-roading or rough road touring.  
I shared this idea with a semi-pro racer friend of mine who said that he had 
done just such a thing several times while on racing tours.  It worked great!
(Estimated cost for used wheels, new tires and cables, used MTB bars: $135)

Barry Sanders
bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:49:10 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

In article <1992Aug30.225154.8897@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.153904.23832@seas.gwu.edu> jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen) writes:
>>We used a softball, which was a mistake!  Darned things can do
>>terrific damage to one's spokes if it ever hits the wheels.
>
>We used a nerf softball, which worked out well. It's soft and not too
>bouncy, and it is heavy enough that it rolls well. The softness is
>good - I was using the wheels of the bike a lot to block the ball, and
>at least one guy was kicking the ball with his rear wheel.

Might I suggest a "kittenball", if this was not the type of softball the
original poster was using?

Most softballs you'll run into these days are 11" or 12" (in circumference) and
rather misnamed in that they're, in fact, quite hard.  However, (although it's
been a couple years since I've looked into it so it might have changed) some
areas have kittenball leagues, usually corec, which play with large, soft, 16"
balls which might be more what you're looking for.  They're pretty heavy
though - maybe heavier than what you're looking for.

Fred
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB: Re: Frequency of flats
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:14:16 GMT
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Ron Feigen writes

> Do these tire liners add a lot of weight/rolling resistance? 

They do increase weight a little, but they actually
decrease rolling resistance.  Perfect thing for commuter
bikes.

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From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:16:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>You realize, of course, that *all*
>cars are going to pass you no matter where you ride, don't you?

No.  *More* cars will pass you if you ride against the traffic.  If
you're riding with the traffic, some cars won't catch up with you
before you turn off the road.  (Right?--Yes.  The same logic that
proves the collision speed to be higher also implies that the number
of cars passing per hour will also be greater.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Allan Maxwell)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:48:43 GMT

In article <Btv365.4IM@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>[riding off-road with road tires]
>would you believe 25 mm?  Slicks!  On a Bianchi road bike?
>
>Yes we have no mountain bikes today.
>
No I would not -- Not anywhere close to Rice U., where your posting seems
to have originated:^)  If you really want to test your assertion, then try
Cambodia trail (not to be confused with Ho-Chi-Min trail) at Memorial Park.

Allan Maxwell   maxwell@cv1.synercom.hounix.org