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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Whiteheart review
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:07:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Album Review:  White Heart  "Tales of Wonder"
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In article <IeOk_Iy00WB78F1l1T@andrew.cmu.edu> st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:
>This album was already reviewed by someone else on this board, and I believe 
>the statement was made that this was among the slowest, balladiest stuff
>White Heart has done in some time.  I'm not sure what they were talking about,
>but I don't find it that way at all.

Well, 5 of the 11 songs are slow songs, and all the rest with the exception
of Vendetta are largely acoustic.

>
>The album is produced by Smiley and Gersmehl for the first time since 1988.
>Jon Knox joins the group on drums, otherwise the band is the same as on 
>Power House.  The whole album is very tightly produced, with deep lyrics,
>and tightly woven tunes and instrumentation.  All songs are written by 
>band members.  one, "Vendetta" is about violence

I think saying Vendetta is about violence is selling it a bit short.  To me,
it seems to be more about a 'Vendetta' led by Christians to share God's love
with a lost world:

'care enough to stand, heal this broken land, and love the lost at any cost'

>Steve's rating:  2 1/2 thistles  on a scale of (-5 to 5).
>
>(FREEDOM was a 3 thistle album and this is nowhere near as good.)

I gotta disagree with ya on this one.  True, Freedom was a great album, but
i still maintain that the production could have been a lot better.  I don't
think Brown Bannister is a very good _rock_ producer.  All things together,
_Tales_ is a much more mature album than _Freedom_, IMHO.  I would rate the
two at least equally, and if i had to choose, i'd probably give _Tales_
a bit of an edge.  I just seem to prefer the new lineup over the old one.
Gordon Kennedy's guitar never really did much for me.

Oh, and one final nit-pick, Jon Knox only drums on Vendetta.  The rest of the
album features Chris McHugh.  Their styles seem very different to me.  I can't
wait to see Knox in concert with Whiteheart.  I saw him with Adam Again, and
he really didn't blow me away.  We'll see...

JRjr


-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Was Keith Green tribute, now Stonehill getting old! .
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:57:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <mktjadx.711678604@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> mktjadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Jeff A. Dilcher) writes:
>HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>
>
>>BTW, are you aware that Randy Stonehill turned 40 a month or two ago.
>>Where's the sequel??    ;)
>
>Speaking of which, last year he played Turning 30 in his lineup.
>He wasn't shy about pointing out, after the turning 30 chorus, that,"I wrote
>this song nine years ago....".  As expected, he said it jokingly!
>Randy is not one to take himself to seriously!!
>
>Jeff
>)
>--

Then again, I have to say that excepting his "Great Big Stupid World"
the whole of "Wonderama" was fairly serious.  (Well, there's the
interlude, too, if you want to consider that a joke.)

He may be getting old, but it just may be that he is finally getting
mature too!


no!  never!  I don't wanna grow up!  Randy is my mentor!  if he gets
mature, what am I going to do!!!  ;)

--Baboo
From: patti@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Patti Richey )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Dietiphobia
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:13:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

Does anyone out there know anything about a group called Dietiphobia? We
bought 2 albums by them. "Fear of God" (my personal favorite). I can't 
remember the title of the other one. Do they get out much? Do concerts? etc?

Thanks for any information.

     /_  __   Patti Richey * e-mail: patti@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
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From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: And I thought this was a MUSIC news group!
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:14:02

In article <Bs9MEC.Ju8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson) writes:
> 	Is Kings-X a "christian" group?
Uh, yeah, last I heard anyway.

> 	Does Mike Warnke sing?
Not very well :-), but the original cornerstone issue (a magazine
largely concerned with CCM) brought up related issues in Christian
publishing, music and other, similar to much of the stuff that is
often discussed here about christian music.
> 	Does being a Baptist have some musical connatations with it?
I'll bite my tongue on this one :-)
> 	Is everyone posting here because S.R.C is too tightly moderated?
Well, it sure is nice to read it without excessive flaming and stuff
(it gets more traffic than I can read already).
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:03:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.


I'm a Bapregationalyrian.  That is, I became a Christian in a Baptist
church, left it (and the faith), came back in an interdenominational
group, moved to another city and went to a Congregationalist church,
and now attend a Presbyterian church.  I've been a member at all three.
Basically, when I move to a new place I find a church I like and go
there.  In Philly, it happens to be Presbyterian.

--Lauren


-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
Organization: Doctoral student, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:42:05 -0400 
From: "Eleen N. Kamas" <ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: the basics

Has anyone out there heard of a group called The Basics?  A friend lent
me a tape of their album "Will You."  They have a folk sound that I
rather like.  The tape I have was independently produced, in 1990, in
Menlo Park, CA.  Has anyone else heard of them?  Do you know if they've
made any other albums?

Thanks,

Eleen N. Kamas
ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu
_______________________________________________
If you think education is expensive -- try ignorance.
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From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Subject: Re: Johnny Cash
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.184338.18173@den.mmc.com> jerdman@den.mmc.com (Joe Erdman 1-1432) writes:
>In article <SCHOUTEN.92Jul24213824@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>>So, like is he a christian or something?
>>
>>Dale schouten@uiuc.edu
>
>I believe Jonny is a Christian.  Read the lyrics on One Bad Pig's "Man in Black"
>
>Erdy 


Johnny Cash is most definitely a Christian. When he is in town, he attends the Hendersonville Chapel in Tenn. Check out his double album "A Believer Sings 
the Truth".I know there are a number of C/W artists who claim to be believers
because they put out a Gospel album and/or thank God when they receive an award, but Johnny is sincere and committed in his Faith.

  Linda
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Brother to Many (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Phil Collins- talking to Jesus
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:09:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <Da9moB3w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes:

>We had TBN (Totally Bizarre Network!) over here in Canada for awhile,
>but the CRTC took down all the broadcast transmitters.  Why?  Because
>it's against the law to have all Christian TV in Canada.  I didn't like
>everything on TBN but I still think the goverment shouldn't take it away.
>No freedom.

I used to think freedom meant "We have the right to do this," but now I
think it more means, "We have the right for you not to do this."

What is going on in this world???  Whose side is the ACLU on?  Nice to
know they represent "freedom," but my question is...which one?

(I know, the answer is obvious...dangit I hate the ACLU!)

--Jeffrey
From: se@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Steve Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:56:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. 

How on earth do you work that out from reading the newsgroup?!!

Steve, a baptist
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:40:48 EDT
From: <NXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Ripoffs
 <1992Jul18.015207.16457@aero.org> <1992Jul21.230935.741@pictel.com>
 <1992Jul22.134853.18465@rice.edu> <1992Jul22.184206.24948@oakhill.sps.mot.com>

You thought that "Let the Wind Blow" was 100% Sting sounding?  I think it was
written by David Martin for the Imps back about 1984 or 85.  Was Sting solo at
this point?  Maybe Sting is 100% Imperialish?  :-)

DAn
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:09:15 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
> 
> It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
> secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
> hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.
> 
> Bill

   Is this a bit of judging here? I'm not ashamed to admit it, I am a member of
a Baptist Church. And let me tell you, even little ol' gray haired ladies are 
not that conservative. I certainly am not conservative (Most of the time my
Dad doesn't like that - now he IS conservative)

        The DOK
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:33:34 GMT

In article <27JUL199214221955@zeus.tamu.edu> nab4574@zeus.tamu.edu (Neil Burleson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.173313.27523@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes...
>>In article <1992Jul27.011732.16988@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>> 
>>This is tabloid Christianity, and it's part of Mike Warnke's appeal.  
>>People don't flock to see Christian accountants.  But reformed, 
>>neatly manicured ex-Satanists - ah, that's another story.  Please
>>understand that if I'm pointing fingers here, I'm pointing them at
>>myself as well.  It just saddens me that there's something about
>>the Christian culture and, alas, something about myself that 
>>finds the freak show appealing.  If I deplore what Mike Warnke
>>allegedly did, and I do, then I had better reserve a little time
>>to deplore the side of me that seeks out the sensational and the
>>bizarre, and that creates a ready audience for those who want to
>>concoct sensational, bizarre lies.
>
>I agree. I think that the reason we flock to this is because we
>fail to see that inside of each of us, God has done an equal miracle
>in each one of our own lives. We fail to see that we are all equally
>sinners before God.
>
>Another thing that upsets me (but which I am as guilty of if not more so
>than others) is putting athletes, personalities, (hey, even
>singers), etc, who claim Christ up on a pedastal. Just because someone
>can catch a ball for a touchdown doesn't make him any more of a 
>Christian. 
>Putting any Christian on a pedastal is a dangerous thing especially
>in the light of the late scandals.

  I am so glad that this is something that we can agree on.  We need to
realize although we argue and bicker, that if we are Christians, Christ is
our center.  We are all sinners before God.  And on this net, when we do our
mud-slinging, flame throwing, and verse spewing, let us remember who we are
serving.  I am glad to see us come together on an issue, and I know that this
is a very emotional issue for many people.  But maybe Mike can minister to us
in his mistakes.  God can use anyone to provide examples for His children, and
let us try to gleen as much wisdom as we can from this "sensational" case. 
We haven't really dealt with this idea of putting Christian musicians up on a
pedestal since I have been reading the group.  I think this would be a good
thread to pursue. We all have our heroes.....but they too fall sometimes. 
Would anyone like to share?   Thanks for reading....Amy


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From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Subject: Warnke Article from Cornerstone
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:32:33 GMT

Hi Folks,
I reuploaded the Mike Warnke article to wuarchive.wustl.edu.  It is in
compressed tar format.  When you download this or any other zip type
file, be sure to set binary mode first.  Normal ftp transfers don't
treat binary files kindly at all.  It is in the /pub directory.
I read the articles.  Warnke has a _lot_ of explaining to do.

In Christ,
John Sims
-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:14:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul29.061430.29891
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <1992Jul29.014713.9884@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
>Speaking of Madeleine L'Engle, here's a question I've never been able to
>find the answer to.  Why have I heard so much that she was Christian, or
>that her books were?  When I read "A Wrinkle in Time", the only thing I
>was able to find was a statement that Buddha, Mohammed, Christ, et al.
>were 'great shining lights of humanity' or something like that.  Certainly
>not the message Christ preached!  (Not in the NIV, anyway.  :^)  )

Well, because she *is* a Christian.  You might try reading some of her
autobiographies:  "Two-Part Invention" is about her marriage (her husband
died a few years ago of cancer).  I'm sorry I can't think of the others
at the moment, but I would imagine they would be mentioned inside the
cover of the book I mentioned.

I loved "A Wrinkle In Time" as a child and when I read it as an adult I
found nothing in it to change my opinion.  The focus seems to me
to be on the power of love to overcome evil (remember Meg and her
confrontation with It to save her litle brother and her father).  I know
this is way off-topic, but I have to mention that when I moved to Irvine,
CA, some years ago I immediately thought of the neighborhood on the planet
where all the houses look the same and everyone does everything in lockstep
or they ARE SEVERELY PUNISHED.
  --Kim

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Def Leppard and Petra???
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:52:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.130421.11207@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>In article <27JUL92.21049677.0010@lafibm.lafayette.edu> HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>>I used to own that album and I read the thank yous over and over again
>>just because I thought they were so insightful and mildly humorous,
>>especially once they get into all of John Lange's nicknames (I've
>>changed much in the past 2 years).  I'm sure I would have noticed if
>>Petra was mentioned in there.  Are you sure?
>
>I remember seeing it myself .....

Petra is also the feminine form of the name Peter, and I'd guess that
there are thousands of Petras who rock out to Def Leppard.  Given the
sensibilities of the group, I'd find it easier to believe that they
were thanking a young woman rather than a Christian rock band.  

>Topher
>-- 
> Christopher A. White                    |"What's behind the words?
> caw@gtech.com                           | Images they know will please us.
> GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | I'll take what's real, bring up
> The opions expressed are mine alone     |   the lights." -- Queensryche

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AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Pig Question (that's right...PIG!)
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.115057.5772@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
> I have a question about a One Bad Pig song, so all Pig fans listen.  
> 
> What does this mean:
> 
> 
>                 PAD THAI
> 
 Pad Thai, Is a Thai dish that contains noodles and whatnot. The Pig must have 
been hooked on the food when doing _I Scream Sunday_. The Pad Thai Cook is 
thanked on the sleeve. (I think, I haven't got it right here with me)

               The DOK
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Madeleine L'Engle question
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.020112.3683@techbook.com> kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
writes:
>
>Was/is not Madeleine L'Engle also involved with L'Abri?  (Besides the
>similarities in name, I mean :-)
>

Speaking of Madeleine L'Engle, here's a question I've never been able to
find the answer to.  Why have I heard so much that she was Christian, or
that her books were?  When I read "A Wrinkle in Time", the only thing I
was able to find was a statement that Buddha, Mohammed, Christ, et al.
were 'great shining lights of humanity' or something like that.  Certainly
not the message Christ preached!  (Not in the NIV, anyway.  :^)  )

Any takers?

			--Michael

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From: meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: L'Abri and Schaeffer
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:40:24 GMT
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us

Thanks.  I knew I was mangling the spelling,
but I was pretty upset, having just gotten
the news.  Somehow, spell didn't seem to
know the correct spelling, either.

-Miles

perhaps it was upset about Mark, too
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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Christian Ripoffs
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.015207.16457@aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
>
>There's one artist in
>particular who rips whoever was on the charts that year, even using
>the same synth sounds to do the same chord progressions to do the
>same melodies....I can't believe he gets away with it!!

And he does it brilliantly, if I may say so.  I don't generally like it
when somebody changes words but leaves the music intact, this is
because the music *as an artistic expression* is completely
unoriginal.  However, people like Weird Al Yankovic *parody*
contemporary music.  While parody requires a lot of imagination and
creativity, a sign of its genius is how *closely* it resembles the
original without losing its "parodic" (is that a word?) nature.

In this case, he generally makes the music as close to the original as
possible, so that only the words stand out.  You could just as easily
parody the music and keep the lyrics the same, or do a little bit of
both, such as the rendition that I always wanted to do: "Stairway to
Heaven" as sung by Elmer Fudd.  The more that you keep the same, the
more the differences stand out.

BTW, I am pretty sure that he gets permission before doing a parody of
someone's song, as part of the parody involves mimicking the original
as closely as possible in one way or another.  I saw an interview with
him in which he said that most artists are very cooperative, but that
one artist in particular (it was Prince, but he did not mention any
names himself) had consistently refused his consent.
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: U2 in Atlanta
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:22:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This JUST out of the press conference, 15 minutes ago.

U2 will play in the Georgia Dome in Atlanta Georgia on Friday, September 25
at 8 pm.  Tickets go on sale this Saturday August 1st at 10:00am at all 
Ticketmaster locations.  Tickets are $30 plus 'service charge' and there
is a 10 ticket limit.

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: violet burning's strength: review
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:04:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul21.162907.11749@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>What musical category does the violet burning fit into?  Can you
>compare them to other christian or secular bands?
>
>Thanks!

Um...I guess you'd call them progressive.  Umm...I thought at least
their first album sounded like anything off the Bill and Ted's
soundtrack.  (I didn't like their second one as much.)  Still,
they're a decent band if you like that kind of music.  Try finding a
Christian bookstore that lets you play the demo before you buy the
album and give it a try.  I liked the first one the first time I
heard it in a friend's car.  I bought the second one when I saw it and
it grew on me.  You might like it.  It's a little strange, and most of
their analogies and inferences and themes sound like they're coming
straight out of Song of Solomon, but it's decent and you can dance to it
and it'll really impress your friends and everyone will love you if you
listen to it because everybody's doing it.

..wait a minute...I got off the track somewhere in here.
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