HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: abas@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jasem Alhumoud)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid To Israel?????
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:17:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   I am sorry for reposting this article. I did not know that someone
else have posted this article with creidt given to me ( I posted this
article in soc.culture.lebanon). Any way nothing wrong with reading facts
twice. On the other hand THE TRUTH HURTS. Have fun with the article.

       Jasem (Dr. J.)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid To Israel?????
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.165203.192872@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:

>Well, Israel is harboring suspects in the terrorist killing of Alex 
>Odeh, ADC founder.  I don't know if the U.S. has requested extradition
>yet, but don't the U.S. and Israel have an extradition treaty?  I 
>would assume so since the U.S. has extradited Nazi war criminals to 
>Israel.

I think they do have an extradition treaty, but that's not necessarily a
safe assumption to make from the fact that there have been extraditions.
A lot of countries will extradite voluntarily people they have no political
interest in protecting to countries whether or not they have a treaty. I 
do recall a treaty between the U.S. and Israel, but I don't think the U.S.
has requested extradition at this point -- it would've likely shown up in
U.S. newspapers, since the administration right now has a lot of reasons
to want to put public pressure on Israel and to act like they're not play-
ing favorites on the extradition issue, because of the Libyan mess. If
they'd asked, they would probably have said so to the press.

>Anwar Mohammed                          

	-Nora


-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Naughty boy 'Mut*'
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:34:51 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

>References: <m0lY7xb-0003RGC@ddsw1.mcs.com>?????????????
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Naughty boy Hasan, you don't have an account at this address.

Whois mcs.com brings up this registered domain:-

Macro Computer Solutions (MCS-DOM)
   520 North Seymour
   Suite 11
   Mundelein, IL 60060

   Domain Name: MCS.COM

   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Wisner, William  (WDW11)  wisner@IMS.ALASKA.EDU
      H: (907) 474-7604  W: (907) 474-7191

Stealing false accounts again? Maybe we should write to Mr Wisner and ask him
 eh Hasan?

Ah well, one more for the bin..hbm@ddsw1.UUCP.

Dave

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Jordan is Palestine
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:59:37 GMT

In article <Apr.14.23.06.10.1992.2801@paul.rutgers.edu>, marwan@paul.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
>In article <kubierINN818@male.EBay.Sun.COM>
>peewee@playhouse.EBay.Sun.COM (Philip H. Stromer)
>
># The World Almanac says that Jordan is 77% of the former land of
>
>[... more garbage deleted ...]
>
># 
># So for now, JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>#    JORDAN IS PALESTINE.
>
>Leon ... Doesn't this remind you of a "creature" that we both know ?!!!

Yes :)  
But he states his position clearly and unambiguously.

>-- 
>______________________________________________________________________________
>                                                                             _
>Marwan Gharaybeh:                         ||                               _(_ 
>                                          ||               | |               |
>Better Known as ...                       ||    ()         | |               |
>                                          ||           _   | |      .-     | |
>Hadi el-gossah gossat hamdah ...          ||      \___/ \__/ |      (_|____/ |
>Hamdah, el-rimsh elly yitehaddah ...      ||       |  \_/    |        |      |
>galat mareedak ...                        ||  \___/      /   |   \___/    *  |
>mareedak, lo tethbahnee be`eedak mareedak.||            /
>=============================================================================

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
From: nyh@sparkplug (Nevo Y Hed)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Give TPM back to those who want to talk about the Mideast
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:38:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute


	Excuse me if this was offered before, I have been away from
TPM for a while.  What about getting moderators on this group???  It
is done in other groups usch as sci.virtual-worlds soc.religion.islam
(i think i counted about 135 such groups at our site).

	So what will it be???  ya know that opening a alt.revisionists
wont get the slimeballs outta here... I am not talking bout taking
someon's freedom of speach (*** forbid) away, I mean even grabage like
ARF's belongs here (well sometimes, I mean when th subject is not
Secret Rabbi Taxes (Kosher foods) etc).


	Happy Easter and Passover...

		-Nevo

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From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Iraq combats Iranian sorties, violates pea
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:27:36 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <1992Apr8.064824.15174@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:

# In article 9978@ncsu.edu, hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
# >[...lots deleted...]

# >        He praised the New York city police department's handling Sunday of
# >an attack on the Iranian diplomatic missions to the United Nations by
# >five intruders armed with knives. As a result of the attacks, he said,
# >police have ``enhanced protection of the Iranian ambassador and the
# >deputy permanent representative.''
# >        Similar attacks occurred in Ottawa and eight Western European
# >countries.

# And also in Australia, close to where I live.  The Iranian embassy
# suffered a lot of damage and several of the embassy staff were injured.
# The Iranian government has requested the extradition of the people
# responsible.  This is very unlikely to be successful, though if they
# are foreign nationals they will probably be deported.  A question
# for you all: should they be extradited?

	While other questions must be resolved before deciding whether or
not they should be extradited, two (similar) questions must first be
answered before extradtion is even considered.  Will they get due
process of law, and will they get a fair trial?

	I doubt they will get a fair trial, but that could just be my bias
and I will let it pass.  However, I cannot see how they will get due
process.  As was shown in the Iranian government support (it has not
been proven, but I bet they were heavily involved from the begining)
of the takeover of the US embassy and the holding of American
diplomats hostage, Iran has no concept of law.  Unless something has
changed, and I have seen no evidence for that, extradition should be
totally out of the question.
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: War Resisters League on Terrorism (should be "of terrorism.")
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:29:10 GMT

In <1483500203@igc.org> pnmideast@igc.org writes:

[...]

"Peace" (sic) net spouts hypocrisy yet again:

>     3. We oppose and condemn terrorism.

Very commendable.

>Israel, an ally of the U.S., recently
>launched an air strike in Lebanon which killed a Moslem cleric and
>his family, and still holds as a hostage a Moslem cleric who was
>kidnaped by the Mossad.

The deaths of Musawi's wife and child were tragic and regrettable.
However, let's not forget that Musawi was, and Obeid is, a member of
an organization devoted not only to the destruction of Israel by
force, but also the Nazi-like destruction of every Jew in the world,
as they clearly stated after the bombing of Israel's embassy in
Argentina:

	``It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the
	death of the last Jew on earth.''

Let's also not forget that Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad were responsible
for the kidnapping (and in some cases torture and death) of several
innocent hostages, Westerners, Lebanese and Israelis among them.

I wonder how "peace" (sic) net can reconcile its support for this
genocidal organization with "peace" (sic) net's stated goals?  Maybe
they reconcile it by referring to terrorists as "clerics."  Perhaps we
can clean Kahane's memory by calling him a "cleric."  What do you think,
Joel?

--
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David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
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From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.history,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: TO RALPH WINSTON
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:11:00 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr06.182723.17762@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
 nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes...

>What is Banished CPU?

It is several things, amongst which are:-
i)The figment of a warped imagination and 
ii)A cover name for posting of an anti-semitic, racist, pro-Nazi group
   called the IHR (or IRH - I can't quite remember, to quote some of
   their surviving heroes). So far we have only seen anti-semitic utterances
   from them but if they continue to get a hard ride, expect some anti-gay,
   anti-leftist, anti-Eastern European, anti-Romany (gypsy) type stuff.


Ostensibly it's a free access account run from somewhere up North, but 
most of it's postings eminate from the aliases of :-
 Peter Faust (completely bonkers, believes Hitler's Germany was great and in 
German racial supremacy),
 Ralph Winston (a rather better propagandist in that he rarely spouts openly
ridiculous shit and quite consumate at the art of highlighting some facts
whilst completely ignoring others).
 Maynerd (the sysop I'm led to believe, I've only seen a couple of
articles from him - standard revisionist shit though)
 and a few other "names" who may or may not be related to the IHR group
but whom I don't wish to tar with the brush without knowing.

Incidentally, if you wish to tell B-CPU what a bunch of absolute assholes
they are, the address is    ralphw@agora.rain.com

Have fun,

Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

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From: kellyb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: POLNET
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:12:12 GMT

Is there anyone out there that has participated in a Polnet conference with the
University of Maryland.  If you have I would appreciate hearing from you.  This
is a simulation conference that works much like model leagues.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid to Israel????
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:35:17 GMT


W A R N I N G

In a subsequent posting, Brad/Ali Hernlem describes his posting as
"an OPINION" and not "News".  It appears to be a work of fiction,
perhaps intended to incite hate and prejudice.  It would have 
been nice to make this clear right from the start, but that's 
not how propaganda works.

Be warned.

-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: ISRAELIS DEBUG PATRIOT SOFTWARE
Organization:  LC
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:00:58 GMT


OK, then they should be thankfull to Saddam, he gave them  a job.
Software companies are closing in USA, and the Israelis have American
jobs. 

A semi joke:

Actually Saddanomics work better than Reaganomics for the Israelis,
actually, saddam did not forget to launce the Scuds, but Reagan forgot
if he ordered the Israelis to ship arms to Iran.               

jle


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: Re: King David Hotel bombing
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:30:13 GMT

In article <JIME.92Apr14164557@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>  
jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.175801.18171@ennews.eas.asu.edu>  
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
> >   In article <JIME.92Apr14103413@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>  
jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
> >   # Au contraire, Pierre.  The King David Hotel bombing was clearly a
> >   # terrorist action.  A military action wouldn't have been preceded  
by a
> >   # telephone call telling the people to get out.  (In this case, some  
may
> >   # find it curious that a military action would have been more  
brutal,
> >   # but c'est la guerre.)
> >
> >	   You are being an imbecile here.  Let us assume for the sake of
> >   argument that the King David hotel bombing was not a military  
action.
> >   That still does not make it a terrorist action.
> 
> I doubt that an imbecile could spell terrorist.
> 
> What was the King David Hotel bombing then, if neither a military nor
> a terrorist action?  It was surely no walk in the park.
> --
It was a military action in which the Irgun attempted to minimize British  
casualties, only to be frustrated by the superiority complex of the  
British, who felt that the Irgun was incapable of carrying out the threat,  
since as Jews as they lacked both British intelligence and British  
resolve. 
It would seem that they were mistaken on both counts (the Jews had a  
coupla spies in the HQ, which is why they knew the hotel had to be blown.  
The object of the mission was the deestruction of the safe which held  
names and addresses not only Irgun and Lehi memebers, but also those of  
Haganah members, in preparation for one of those raid type activities  
which the British authorities were wont to do occasionally... The  
operation was originally supposed to be carried out by a combined  
haganah-Irgun team, but the Haganah backed out.......)
From: rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Give TPM back to those who want to talk about the Mideast
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:26:54 GMT
Reply-To: rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Distribution: world
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI



Gedaliah writes:

I think that it is about time that ANYONE who wishes to post ANYTHING regarding 
Holocaust revisionism start using alt.revisionism!  

My (new) response:

I agree, but lets take it one step further, lets establish a clear definition
of what talk.politics.mideast should be used for.

I establish these as acceptable subjects for TPM

1. The conflict between Arab states and Israel.
2. Internal developments in the following countries
      Israel, Jordan, Syria, Oman, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt,
      Libya, Chad, Sudan, Yemen,  and North Yemen.  (PS I will accept
      other countries I may have forgotten).
3. The impact of foreign events (US Aid, Soviet fall, etc) on those 
   countries.
4. Terrorism discussions relating to the countries in #2

Specifically what this means is that the following topics don't belong on 
TPM

1. Holocaust revisionism-either soc.culture.Jewish or alt.revisionism
   or alt.history

2. Internal events in Turkey (soc.culture.turkey) Greece (doc.culture.greek)
   or Muslim Russia (talk.politics.soviets)

3. Anything by Hassan Mutlu (alt.garbage.trash.throw.out)

Gedaliah again:

I'm sick of having to weed through all of the revisionist posts to find the 
posts on Middle East Politics!!!!


My (new) comment

Thankyouthankyouthankyou

Gedaliah Friedenberg
Department of Mechanical Engineering 
Michigan State University 

Ilan U. Woll
Wayne State University
bit: userzv6z@wayne.edu.bitnet or userzv6z@waynemts

Damn the > signs, full speed ahead

-- 
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rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu        "This whole thing is goony, I shou'da
                                      stood in bed!"  "Gruesome, isn't it?"
FIGHT DICTATORSHIP!  VOTE!!!!                                  --Bugs Bunny
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Answer to Johann's question
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 08:14:28 GMT

In article 15650@bony1.bony.com, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.064234.2043@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>In article 14545@vela.acs.oakland.edu, rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ilan U. Woll) writes:
>>>As a result, the 
>>>Balfour Conference partitioned Jordan into 2 countries.  One of them was 
>>>an independant Palestinian state and the other Israel. 
>>>
>>>Ilan U. Woll
>>
>>Congratulations, Ilan!  You have won the TPM Prize for the most
>>innovating rewriting of history for the first quarter of 1992.
>>
>>Brendan.
>
>When I saw that there are 2 postings on this thread and on was Brendan's,
>I guessed that the first one had something to do with Jordan.  Sure enough,
>I was right, and it fired up Brendan's knee-jerk Defend-Jordan-Always 
>response.  
>
>Brendan seems to have a pet project, Israel-is-Palestine.

Jake seems to have a pet project, misrepresent Brendan.  

(a) I have never ever said Israel is Palestine.
(b) I have repeatedly denied that the exact position of the borders 
    of "Palestine", in the past or in the present, is relevant to the
    issue of land claims.  That is my opinion, and whether all 
    Palestinians agree with me is not my concern.

>                                                           It's a funny 
>one, though.  Even Palestinean Arabs do not deny that Jordan encompasses
>much of Palestine.  If Brendan hasn't seen any better re-writing of 
>history on TPM in recent weeks, then perhaps he actually supports
>much of the garbage produced by the Holocaust Revisionists and the 
>Muslim Students Union, or whoever they were.  Or perhaps, he just
>has this religious thing about Israel-is-Palestine.

So you agree with Ilan's gaffe about the "Balfour Conference" I 
take it?  How embarrassing for you.  I think it is funny how you try 
to suggest that I support the Revisionists when you are a Revisionist 
yourself!

>Jake Livni

Brendan.




Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Lowenbrau houses revisionist and Neo-Nazi meeting in Germany
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:11:44 GMT

arild@milan.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) writes:

>On the German TV-station Suedwest 3 last night, they showed a disturbing
>program about the neo-nazi movement in Germany. Part of the program was
>about revisionist meetings held in Germany, where the "historian" Irving
>was participating. I think it was on Hitler's birthday in 1990: A big
>gathering in Loewenbrau's brewery beer hall in Munich hosted Irving and
>several prominent neo-nazi leaders in Germany. The German national anthem
>was sung, liters of beer were guzzled and Sieg Heil greetings eagerly
>issued. 

>This should show clearly the connection between revisionism and the
>neo-nazi movement, which has been frequently denied by b-cpu posters.

>Furthermore, perhaps time to boycott Lowenbrau? To see that they would make
>their space available for this disgusting event is highly questionable.

>-Arild Hestvik

The problem is _which_ Lowenbrau?  The name gets thrown around pretty
loosely, and the product sold in the US, at least, is either Swiss or
American (slop).  The German Lowenbrau is not (I believe) available for
drinking or boycott in the US.

Not surprising, though, is it that such an event would occur in Bavaria?

--Jeff

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:27:42 GMT

Jim Eggert writes (answering David Makowsky):

##   # You still haven't answered the question.  Let me summaraze what I
##   # think you are saying: "Israel is the first local non-imperial power in
##   # modern history to allow freedom of religious expression."
##
##   # My question is: What other local (to Jerusalem, I guess)
##
##	   Your guess is correct.
##
##   # non-imperial
##   # power in modern history are you comparing Israel to?
##
##	   All of them (which means any Middle Eastern country that has
##   controlled it).
#
#Yet again, you haven't answered the question.  Why do you avoid it so?
#Name the countries individually, please.

Well how about Jordan? It ruled Jerusalem from 48 to 67 and there was no
relegious freedom. Jews could not go to the wailing wall, and 
cemetaries and synagogue were ruined and turned into stables.

-Danny Keren.

[I have restricted this to t.p.m were it belongs, this thread started as
 a post from b-cpu's shitbrain who posted it all over the net].