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From: bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:03:41 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) writes:
>
>One could pobably pay as much as 5000 for a CD player and "all the bits".
>About 25-50,000 pounds for a mere "record player".
>
>Which would sound better?

the turntable

but it would have cost at least 24-49,000 pound more than it needed to
acheive the result...

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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:50:43 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
> In the referenced article, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> >The profit on selling 100 LPs is larger than the profit on selling 10 CDs. 
> >If the customers really wanted LPs, there's no way the industry would be abl
> >to railroad them into buying CDs.
> 
> this assumes that the desires of the customer are independant from the
> industry.
> 
> this is not true, in a BIG way.

Ah, so we *are* talking about orbital mind-control lasers then? :-)


mathew

Newsgroups: uk.misc
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Subject: X-Windows Manuals for sale
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From: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk (P.Owens,C20,3492)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:41:32 GMT
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk
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steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) wrote:
>P.Owens,C20,3492 (pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk) wrote:
>: So how do you tell if the driver behind is dozy? (Or more likely impatient
>: and thinks that since a bike takes up about 60 cms of road he'll allow 1 m
>: and can still squeeze past). Or do you wait until there is no traffic 
>: coming before going round? 
>
> You should check behind when you are still a long way from the
> obstacle, give a signal if necessary,

So far so good, but the dozy driver is five cars behind and approaching
at a relative speed od 20 mph +.

> and then pull out in plenty of time. 

And put myself in a vulnerable position in the middle of the road, where the
dozy driver certainly wont by expecting a bike (He wont have seen the 
signal since, being dozy, he wont be observing more than one car in front).
At least if I leave pulling out to the last moment he'll by trying to 
avoid the same obstacle, and may have some chance of seeing my signal.

> If you have your wits about you, you will be able to tell the
> difference between a dozy driver and an alert one.  That's why I
> particularly like having a mirror - rather than one quick glance over
> the shoulder, which actually tells you very little except the
> instantaneous position of vehicles, 

I still dont get it. The dozy driver behaves exactly the same as the alert
one, that is until he fails to notice me.

> you can monitor the situation behind throughout your approach to the
> obstacle and make your change of course with minimum effect on the other 
> traffic. Which is of course the essence of safe road use, whatever type of
> vehicle you use.

I agree with the bit about mirrors and observation, but there are very big
differences between driving a car and riding a bike.

1. However many reflectors and lights you use, a bike is less visible than
   a car. You just have to assume that the driver behind HASN'T seen you.

2. The risks of a collision are very one sided (ie cyclist gets killed,
   motorist has to touch up his paint work). So the motorist will tend
   to make finer judgements than they would for other road users.

3. Most motorists tend to underestimate the speed of bikes so will perform
   dangerous manoevers to avoid being held up. Pulling out in front, overtaking
   on blind bends, overtaking just before turning left etc.
   
This means that you follow a strategy of keeping out of the way. Forget
the highway code rules about rights of way - give way to any motorised
vehicle. Take a half mile detour to avoid roundabouts. If overtaken by a
truck approaching a left bend, head for the pavement.

---
Pete Owens
P.Owens@daresbury.ac.uk
From: ianking@nnsgs52 (Ian King)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Milton Keynes - was Re: NORTHAMPTON POL
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:17:39 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe Ltd
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Jim Thomas (jim@edscom.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: I'll have you know that Milton Keynes is the most exciting town in
: North Buckinghamshire.

Probably because it is the *only* large town in North Bucks :-)

Actually as a result of years of conditioning we (the locals) always call
it a city.

Wolverton, Stony Stratford, Bletchley, Woburn Sands, Newport Pagnell,
Buckingham and Olney are towns.... MK is a city in all but Royal Charter..

Regards....
..........Ian

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From: cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing lists from hell
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:35:19 GMT
	<Bz9Dpq.75J@exnet.co.uk>
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

>>>>> On 14 Dec 92 16:56:13 GMT, dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon) said:

Damon> In article <29524@castle.ed.ac.uk> eanv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Woods) writes:
>Post the 0800 numbers to the net & several of us will instruct our
>modems to 'phone them constantly with appropriate faxes.  If they don't
>have faxes, they'll just get unpleasant sounds.  Each call brings them
>nearer bankruptcy.  I'm sure several others would be willing to help
>in a situation like this.  

Damon> That would almost certainly count as a malicious call, and could get
Damon> you fined and have your phone service disconnected I should think.

There was a geezer in the States a couple of years ago who was
prosecuted for misuse of telephone equipment for pulling this stunt.

Good story though. He was annoyed when he found out his mother had
pledged money to some religious group after the equivalent of a 0800
number was advertised on "God TV" or whatever. So he got a computer to
dial them inter-state at 30 second intervals for ages (a month or
so?).

I thought he deserved a medal.

Ceri -- bah, humbug
--
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University of Birmingham			  Tel. +44-21-414-3743
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:47:43 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <20707@acorn.co.uk>, steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:
> J Strobridge (eset08@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
> I find that only about 1 in 10 of the new releases that I want are not
> available on vinyl.  Perhaps it is just that some shops aren't
> stocking them.  My local record shop (Andy's Records in Cambridge)
> still has reasonable stocks of records, both chart and older stuff.

Aaaarggggh!

Go to Parrot Records (opposite what was the 'King Street Run' pub. Much much
cheaper. Not as big and you do have to pay by cash or cheque, but SO much
cheaper. Andy's, HMV, Their Price - all expensive.

> Such a shame that vinyl is being sacrificed to the C.D.  Even if C.D.s
> do sound better, which is by NO means certain, they are so soulless in
> comparison with a nice big black record.

Yep, and the packaging on a CD is not as groovy.

>  And they're five quid dearer.

Depsite being cheaper to manufacture.

> 
> Whatever happened to consumer choice?

`Free market' marketing department wet dream.
-- 
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                "Oh really, we use Dolby C..."
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Psychotic Monopolists
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:11:16 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc,misc.test
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


In article <29521@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
writes:

#  I think the possibility of this happening would encourage the owner to
#  buy a right of way in competition with the prospective Psychotic
#  Monopolist. 

But then he'd be a Psychotic Duopolist, which is not half as much fun.

psychotically, Ken Johnson



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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Libertarian philosophy (was Re: Transport...)
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:48:13 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <29624@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
> The killer though was that when we got to discussing the swiss
> government, Madeleine was very proud of the democratic system there. She
> described tha Canton system and it all seemed very devolved and
> democratic. I was quite impressed by it all until she said that she had
> to move out of her old Canton when she met Mike. "Why?" I asked. "Well,
> it's illegal there to live with someone if you're not married. They had
> a vote."

Many people seem to believe that democracy means allowing 51% of people
to dictate to 49%.  For as long as that is true, inane things like that
will continue to happen.

Question: if we had a vote to kill all
Jews/Homosexuals/Communists/whatever, and a majority voted for it, would
it be ``morally'' OK to carry out such a policy.  And if not, why not?

ian
From: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk (P.Owens,C20,3492)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:33:19 GMT
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsx.dl.ac.uk

fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:

>smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>
>>, with the penalty for non-conformance being that
>>they be imprisoned in their own homes, or have access to their
>>businesses cut off.
>
>Either the getting there is worth the payment of the fee or not. If it
>is, they'll go, if it sin't they won't. Imprisonment is where you are
>forced to stay there whether you want to or not.

So, if I buy up all the land surounding your house and then charge a
1000000000000000000000 pound toll to cross it. Then you're not imprisonned in
your own home but free to pay.

---
Pete Owens
P.Owens@daresbury.ac.uk
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: An Oaf Speaks.
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:48:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <3317@ucl-cs.uucp>, G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
[AIDS]
> 
> And now, since "you have been warned", it will be like smoking: you
> will have to be prepared to be told it was your own fault for placing
> yourself at risk (not).

Gordon. If there were health warnings clearly visible every time someone had
sex or injected drugs I would buy your argument. As there aren't I don't.

If AIDS hadn't been around since the early 80s and only warned about since the
late 80s I would buy your argument. As it has, I don't.

If AIDS symptoms didn't take several years to develop and there weren't many
people who were infected many years ago and have only just discovered that they
were HIV+ I would buy your argument. As they do and there are I don't.

-- 

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From: cabr53@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("R.A.McPheat")
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing lists from hell
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:02:14 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1992Dec14.101847.704@city.cs> simon@cs.city.ac.uk (Simon Brock-Gunn) writes:
>After my father died at the start of last year, various companies (mainly
>in the computing sector) carried on sending junk mail addressed to him.
>After a while, my mother became so annoyed with these that she got me to
>register his name with the Mailing Preference Service and to write to all
>the companies that had sent mail and ask them to stop.  A few months
>later, I again wrote to those companies that had continued, and followed
>this up with a third letter about six months ago to those that *still*
>sent stuff.
>
>However, it seems there is a hard-core of companies that just don't want
>to listen.  My mother has now taken to calling the 0800 numbers on most of
>the literature that arrives in the hope that this will make a difference.
>However, for one of the companies - Olivetti - this has had the reverse
>effect:  After calling their 0800 number recently, an item of junk mail
>arrived last Friday with the following address label on the front:
>
>MRS BROCK-GUNN
>WIDOW - SEE COMMENTS
>(rest of address)
>
>Anyone got any suggestions?

If they come with reply paid envelopes you could try sticking them on to a
brick and posting them back. When they get the postage bill that might make
them stop.

R. McPheat
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing lists from hell
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:27:19 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

simon@cs.city.ac.uk (Simon Brock-Gunn) writes:
> However, it seems there is a hard-core of companies that just don't want
> to listen.  My mother has now taken to calling the 0800 numbers on most of
> the literature that arrives in the hope that this will make a difference.
> However, for one of the companies - Olivetti - this has had the reverse
> effect:  After calling their 0800 number recently, an item of junk mail
> arrived last Friday with the following address label on the front:
> 
> MRS BROCK-GUNN
> WIDOW - SEE COMMENTS
> (rest of address)
> 
> Anyone got any suggestions?

Send them notification of a change of address.  Give them each other's
addresses.


mathew
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Lung cancer and arteriosclerosis.
For people who like to smoke.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Panorama / fed up
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:12:03 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <Bz25D4.1s@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ljp@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Guido) writes:

>You didn't miss a great deal. No new revelations at all. Witches
>don't exist - or if they do they don't go around fucking children or
>eating babies - period. That was about it.

But something rather horrible and frightening _does_ exist:
witchhunters. Just like the last time. And just as impervious to
evidence that the whole thing is a sick fantasy dreamed up by their
own twisted minds.

-- 
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Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk (David Hembrow)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:44:45 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
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James Grinter (jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <Bz4Grp.7q@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk> joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) writes:
: 
: 
:    >A lot of people still complain that CD sounds "cold" or "artificial".
:    >Well, yes, the old players did; the first CD player I bought (the
:    >original Philips CD104) was pretty awful.  But each year's selection
:    >of machines is audibly better than the previous year's; they're
:    >catching up fast.
: 
:    I still use 1/4" tape - if it was good enough for the record company master,
:    it's god enough for me.
: 
: This reminds me of something I have often puzzled over. Perhaps the
: answer is so easy that I'm missing something, anyway - heregoes...
: 
: We're told, that the latest players are always getting better and
: reading and playing the data from the CD more accurately. Does this
: give the possibility that the data on the disc, when it was recorded,
: could be incorrect too? Or are they saying that the recording
: equipment has always been perfect, but we've only just fixed the
: players?
: 
: James.

I personally think that most newer digital recordings do sound better than
most older ones. I put that down to improvements in the analog to digital
converters used to make the recordings.

Some of the more recent CDs which I have bought do sound quite acceptable,
this is despite the fact that my CD player is the same one I bought 5 years
ago which I was never really happy with from the beginning.

The best sounding vinyl LPs which I have do sound better than the CDs still
though I think.

David-- 
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email:  dhembrow@eoe.co.uk      Abberley House, Granhams Road,
                                Great Shelford, Cambridge CB2 5LQ, England
From: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jan Wysocki)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:03:48 GMT
Reply-To: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Queen Mary & Westfield College.

In article <Bz0Lq0.GvK@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk>, joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) writes:
|> Hadn't tried to buy any ``real'' records for a few years - oops!
|> 
|> So, are there any decent record shops left that sell vinyl records?
|> Any record companies still make them?
|> 
What do you mean by progressive? Something left over from the 1970s? Or
avante-garde, NY noise, grunge, etc?

I'm surprised that the itinaries have gone up Berwick Street without
mentioning 'Sister Ray'.  This shop is well stocked with Indie,
Industrial, Noise etc. and has well informed staff.  Rough Trade has
even more knowledable staff, but carges 50p more for a 12", a pound
more for an LP. (Still cheaper than the megastores, no doubt).  As long
as new bands record on vinyl, I'll keeep buying.  Yes there are companies
producing vinyl, even in America.  For example I don't think you can get
any of the Swirlies' output on CD (US example), all of 70 Gwen Party's
output is on vinyl, can you get the first three 'Sheep on Drugs' releases
on CD?  

|> Also, does anyone know anywhere that sells reel-to-reel tapes  -
|> pre-recorded (or blank!)

If you are satisfied with Maxell tapes, then
KVJ, 70 Whitechapel High St., E1 7QX, 071 247 6029
is an excellent source of quater inch tapes.
Maxell     spool     price         price
Tape        size    1 to 4     5 or more
          inches

UD   35-90     7      4.99          4.65
UD   35-180   10     12.99         12.85
UD   25-120    7      5.99          5.75
UD   18-180    7      6.50          6.00
XLI  35-90     7      6.50          6.00
XLI  35-180B  10     15.99         14.99
XLII 35-90     7     11.99         10.99
XLII 35-180   10     26.99         25.99

It's also a good place to buy film, floppies, all kinds of audio & video
tapes, e.g. 10 x SA90 @ 10.99, Kodachrome KM135-36 @ 5.99.

I notice that 'Hi Fi Care on the south east end of Tottenham Court Road
sells other, probably superior brands of quarter inch tape.

Disclaimer: I speak only as a satisfied customer of the above
establishments and in know way offer the endorsement of my employers.

  --- "Why kill time, when you can kill yourself?" ---
  --- "Remember to kiss before you kill." ---

           Jan Wysocki                |  Computer Science Department,
                                      |  Queen Mary and Westfield College,
 email:    jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk          |  Mile End Road,
'phone:   +44 (0)71 975 5234          |  London.  E1 4NS
 fax?  Leave it out John, I'm trying to get away from pre-telephone technology.
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