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From: micro19@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (A Techno-Discordian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Guku
Summary: Goku has problem with women
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:43:48 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA

In article <1ilb43INNiat@sumax.seattleu.edu> kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chih-Ping Kuo) writes:
>in book #4 I think they switch the order of story by putting the 
>cross country race last, anyone can confirm this?
>
>BTW, seems like most girls who come in contact with Guku will first
>have sex with him, then die a violent death, what a boyfriend! :)

I think this is probably the biggest problem about the book.  I can deal with
a world gone bad, but women in the Goku universe seem to be sex objects that
he attempts to rescue, and then died in a violent death.  This sort of thing
also happen in the author's (I forgot his name) previous series Cobra, who's
damsels in distress also often died a rather violent death.
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From: BIOROID@cyberweb.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Ghost in the Shell
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 12:35:55 PST

Is there a translation available for Ghost in the Shell? If there is please
post it or e-mail it to me since I don't have FTP ability.

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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Star Trekker II is dead.
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:55:43 GMT

In article <106598@bu.edu> shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.042519.9619@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>>Just read a post by Doug Dlin over on Genie.  Evidently, they won't be
>>doing Star Trekker II. :(
>
>Anybody selling the first one?

Paramount did not bother with the first Star Trekker pub, though, if you
can still find one, snap it up...these things are relatively scarce.

>
>Also, what exactly is Star Trekker? Is it a dojinshi or an "official" 
>publication in Japan?
>

I believe it started as doujinshi at first, Artic picked up a bunch of
'episodes' and put them together as Star Trekker.  Star Trekker is a funny
parady of the exploits of a certain Aya Nakajima, ace starship captain.
The stories have the interpid crew singing karoake on the bridge, drinking,
going back in time to eat whale, picking fist fights with Captain Kirk...
^_^
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 16:37:19 PST
From: Jeff Siegel <7100P%NAVPGS.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject:      Re: Doujinshi for sale
To: MANGA FANS! <rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net>

Real quick -- just got back from Japan a few hours ago and I have to get
ready for school to start again tomorrow --  I went to the Winter Comic
Market with most of the FACE and upper-level leadership from Anime America
and the experience of Comic Market defies words!!  With about 200,000 or more
people in one complex of buildings over two days there is no comparison.
The entire floor of one pavillion (the size of a warehouse) was primarily
Sailor Moon stuff!!  The vast majority of Sailor Moon doujinshi were
primarily H or had significant H elements.....

Despite the mind-numbing size of Comic Market, things ran extremely smooth
(one should have the routine down by the 42nd time...).  Maybe a slightly
more detailed summary later.


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 10:23:04 JST
From: vray@cs2.cs.oki.co.jp (Miho NISHIDA)
To: rec-arts-manga%darwin.sura.net@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Hey, look here. (I've read shohjo manga all my life)


>There are exceptions to *every* rule.  Over the break I was exposed to a new
>anime called "Mikan's Art Diary" that was based on a shojo manga.  Great
>story.  Lots of funny lines.  The shojo influence was very much there.
>But don't let that push you away.  This is a cute show, and generally has
>some good stuff to look at.  However, you do have to remember, this is 
>shojo stuff.  I mean, Mikan is a talking cat, and the show is mainly about 
>his relationship with Tomu.  Defenitely shojo stuff. :)

It's definitely shojo stuff if it deals with emotion and inner feeling and
other deeper subjects.  Mikan Art Diary is not just about a talking can
and cutsy-tutsy.  There are lots of laughs in the original manga, but
more importantly, we're talking about a pariah.  Mikan is a talking cat,
for god's sake, and intelligent.  He knows that he's a pariah.  The
manga emphasizes the family importance and friendship and so forth.  If
the anime seems too cutsy-tutsy, though they're faithful to the original
manga, it's because the anime is targetted at elementary-middle age kids.
Violence and action does not equal adult reading.

Miho
From: n9282081@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Rob Ketcherside)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: SAZAN EYES
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:20:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan5.072046.12351
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <8quswB1w165w@wndrsvr.la.ca.us> raa@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Ramon Lopez) writes:
>umsitho0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dennis Hai Choon Sithoo) writes:
>
>> 
>>   Hello out there! I just saw the forth episode of 3x3 Eyes.....WOW!!!!
>>  I loved it! Incredible! Pai is perhaps the most wonderful character I
>> have seen in a long time!
>> 
>>   The final episode was terrific. Can anyone tell me about the manga? I
>> would like to know if Sazan Eyes is an ongoing manga and if not, did it
>> end in the same way that the anime series did?(What a fantastic emotional
>> finale!) Please reply.
>> 
>>    Thanks everyone!
>
>The Manga is infinatly better then the anime ... They have minor changes
>from the Manga ... but all in all, it was pretty close ... They have up to
>#12 in manga ... I have them all ...
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From: kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu (K_Shibuya)
Subject: Re: Legend of Arslan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:47:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.022702.21155@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
>
>How many books are there for Chisato Nakamura's adaptation of Yoshiki
>Tanaka's Lengend of Arslan?  Has she finished it?
>Can anyone post the publisher?

=>There are 2 volumes out so far and the publisher is Asuka Comics. No, she
=>hasn't finished it yet.

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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Star Trekker II is dead.
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:25:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

Just read a post by Doug Dlin over on Genie.  Evidently, they won't be
doing Star Trekker II. :(
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From: z_beddoerj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Any one Know of PSME?
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:46:02 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1irhrp$bm1@agate.berkeley.edu>, ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu 
(david mou) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.082953.22474@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg 
>(CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
>>: From all the posts I read on this net, it seems shonen mangas are the
>>: current favorite, but does anyone (besides the few that I've talked with
>>: before) read shojo mangas?  In my opinion some of them are really good.
>>
>>Here's one.... Let's see, I like Shinohara Chie, Kayamayumi,
>>Saitou Chiho, Midori Yukako, Asakiri Yue (sp?), Akaishi Michio, 
>>Hikawa Kyoko, Fujita Kuzuko, Nakamura Shisato, Kobayashi Hiromi,
>>Narita Minako, Nagashi Yuki (sp?), Mimura Akino, and some others whom I
>>can't recall at the moment.

The artwork is quite good in shojo manga, but its generally not the type of
stuff that I like to read.  Oh, sure, stuff like VGAi has some serious 
overtones about *love*, but its not really *romantic*. :)  I guess reading
shojo manga is, in some cases at least, like reading a Harlequin romance.
However, I know that is a bad case of over-generalizing.

> 
> Not that I mind the art, or the occasional gay fantasies, but some shojo 
> stories are just dreadfully romantic.  I personally prefer "wham, bam, 
> thank you mam" type stories, hence I buy more shonen stuffs.  There are 
> exceptions to my rule thou.

There are exceptions to *every* rule.  Over the break I was exposed to a new
anime called "Mikan's Art Diary" that was based on a shojo manga.  Great
story.  Lots of funny lines.  The shojo influence was very much there.
But don't let that push you away.  This is a cute show, and generally has
some good stuff to look at.  However, you do have to remember, this is 
shojo stuff.  I mean, Mikan is a talking cat, and the show is mainly about 
his relationship with Tomu.  Defenitely shojo stuff. :)
I can still hear Dan saying, "Really Joe, give it a try.  You'll like it." :)


Ja ne,
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From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Any one Know of PSME?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:23:53 GMT
Organization: (why bother, they're all dead)
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In article <1993Jan11.082953.22474@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
>: From all the posts I read on this net, it seems shonen mangas are the
>: current favorite, but does anyone (besides the few that I've talked with
>: before) read shojo mangas?  In my opinion some of them are really good.
>
>Here's one.... Let's see, I like Shinohara Chie, Kayamayumi,
>Saitou Chiho, Midori Yukako, Asakiri Yue (sp?), Akaishi Michio, 
>Hikawa Kyoko, Fujita Kuzuko, Nakamura Shisato, Kobayashi Hiromi,
>Narita Minako, Nagashi Yuki (sp?), Mimura Akino, and some others whom I
>can't recall at the moment.

Not that I mind the art, or the occasional gay fantasies, but some shojo 
stories are just dreadfully romantic.  I personally prefer "wham, bam, 
thank you mam" type stories, hence I buy more shonen stuffs.  There are 
exceptions to my rule thou.

Frequently disgussed shojo artists on r.a.m. and a.m. are CLAMP and Kouga
Yun (And thanks to TK influence I actually went out and bought her not so 
cheap calendar for this year).  Some other ones I like are Ohashi Kaoru and 
Kusunoki Kei (... and something about the Ohashi sisters.)  Both of whom 
appears frequently on Family Comics.

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From: t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Comp?
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:04:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Sophia Univ., Tokyo, Japan

A correction -- it's Media Works, not Media Work.  Sorry.
                               ^
In article <1im6ea$g25@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou) writes:
>Sorry my kanji is no good, but that sounds like "Friends of Housewives 
>Publishing Co."  Is that the name of the publisher for all the Media Work
>publications?  Have I been looking in the wrong magazine racks in my local
>Kinokuniya for these titles?!  ^_^;;

Oh...well, your interpretation is correct.  But this company is
known to publish broad range of books including minor SF comics,
as well as comics aimed for matured ladies (not that they're H).
Only the name doesn't match.

>So it's out?  Anyway, I thought Manabe was one who stuck with Comp, along
>with his Rai story.  

It may have been me who provided this info :-) Actually he was
the last to move to Gao.

>they didn't call it Silent Movie did they?

Here's a list of changes that I remember now.
Silent Moebius  -> Moebius Kurain
(Now I must confess I don't know the right spelling for Kxx thing.
I guess it's taken from mathematical solid model called Pot of Kxx
which inner and outer surfaces are the same thing.  Just like 3D
equivalent of Ring of Moebius.  German name maybe?)
Angel Paradigm  -> Angel Arm (huh?)
Y's Swordmaster -> Y's
Rai has a little change in its long subtitle.
Maro-o Fu-unden -> Maro-o Reppu-den

That's about it.

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From: lazarus@quack.sac.ca.us (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Subject: Re: Ghost in the Shell
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:16:32 UTC

In article <76ZywB2w165w@tsoft.net> bbs.mirage@tsoft.net (Jerry Lee) writes:
>BIOROID@cyberweb.UUCP writes:
>
>> Is there a translation available for Ghost in the Shell? If there is please
>> post it or e-mail it to me since I don't have FTP ability.


>Good!  Another Shirow fan!   IF you happen to find the translation, could 
>you possibly send it up my way to jele@eis.calstate.edu?  Thanks Mucho!
>Have you seen Shirow's "Interon Depot" art book?  It's almost ALL color!
>Great pics inside too.

Don't worry, you're in good company.  There are a large number of Shirow fans
around, but as the problem is with all of Shirow's work, it's kinda tough
to get people willing to translate... :)  You need some knowledge of
technology and science, know the language, AND be a Shirow fan... heh.

Anyways, I wrote an article on Ghost in the Shell for Animag with the help
of a good friend of mine who knows the language and has the background,
and it should be coming out in issue 4 but...

Has anyone seen Animage issue 3 on the stands anywhere??  Sigh.


Albert



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From: bbs.mirage@tsoft.net (Jerry Lee)
Subject: Re: Ghost in the Shell
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:33:17 GMT

BIOROID@cyberweb.UUCP writes:

> Is there a translation available for Ghost in the Shell? If there is please
> post it or e-mail it to me since I don't have FTP ability.
> 

Good!  Another Shirow fan!   IF you happen to find the translation, could 
you possibly send it up my way to jele@eis.calstate.edu?  Thanks Mucho!
Have you seen Shirow's "Interon Depot" art book?  It's almost ALL color!
Great pics inside too.

Computer and Video Imaging (Animation included) major at
Cogswell Polytechnical College.
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From: kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chih-Ping Kuo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Hojo Lives! (barely :)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:39:17 -0800
Organization: sumax city 0093
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

let's see if we can get some flame by beating on the dead horse a little
more :)  (may be I shall go back and post my Viz's colorization sucks 
article again)

anyway, this is to say, that after reading Tusakasa Hojo's latest 
short story on SJ (2-3, 93), the guy is obvious not physically
dead, may be just mentally dead, this guy still couldn't find a 
new topic to write on after a year of vacation, and 2 of the 3
short stories he wrote in this interval still had heavy CH influences,
I mean, you even have 2 characters from CH in the last one!  (never
thought Miki would let him grow a beard do you? :) 

all in all, a pretty good short story compare to the last two, 
now if Hojo keep this up, his sighting report would be as exciting
as Elvis'. 

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From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Comp?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:37:49 GMT
Organization: (why bother, they're all dead)
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu


Thanks for the info, but....

In article <7294@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp> t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi) writes:
>as well as comics aimed for matured ladies (not that they're H).


... I thought matured ladies are the horniest of the bunch.  ^_^

I flipped through some of those Kannou novels aimed at housewives.  Can't 
make much sense with it, but there are plenty of woo's and aaah's.


Come to think of it, we don't talk much about kannou mangas here.  The genre
looks and feels different than your typical bishojo titles, and Maeda 
Toshio can almost qualify as an example artist for it.  But, oh well, this 
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From: kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chih-Ping Kuo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Handy99/Young King
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:43:37 -0800
Organization: sumax city 0093
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

now this is the first new, good, promising title I found among the
magazines in a long time, (my store don't get Young King that often)
it is about a female reporter in the fashion of Black Magic M-66, 
she got more involved in the actions she covers than the particpated
people, the art works quality is good, (on a par w/ Natsuki Crisis),
and in some instance, make me suspect that the author (ryu something)
is a former H writter!  anyway, check it out.

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From: aoki@faerie.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Paul M. Aoki)
Subject: Re: Any one Know of PSME?
Organization: ISO-Berkeley
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:32:28 GMT

vray@cs2.cs.oki.co.jp (Miho NISHIDA) writes:
>From all the posts I read on this net, it seems shonen mangas are the
>current favorite,

Well, most of the readers *are* shonen -- maybe not very young in the
*physical* sense, but.. ^_^

Plus, more action -> less dialogue, which is a win for the vast majority
of us who aren't perfectly fluent in Japanese. ^_^

>but does anyone (besides the few that I've talked with
>before) read shojo mangas?  In my opinion some of them are really good.

Care to make any specific recommendations?

It's hard to come across interesting-looking stuff if you don't buy 
the magazines regularly.  At least, it's hard for *me* to graze in a 
Kinokuniya, where the comix are bagged up and taped closed..
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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: Sailor-V gets her own story! 
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:18:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.051525.217@indyvax.iupui.edu> itng500@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>   One of our translation slaves was let off from _Dream Hunter
>Rem_ translation duties long enough to read some Sailor Moon
>manga. (They don't need any rest, just a change of pace...)
>Gary Weir reports that Sailor-V is getting a manga story of her
>own! 

Just as long as "Sailor-V" doesn't get her own TV series.  I
can just imagine the amount of noise that Usagi-chan would
generate, demanding her share of the royalties... :-)

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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Doujinshi for sale
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:16:35 GMT

In article <rec.arts.manga.9301050046.AA00984@darwin.sura.net> Jeff Siegel <7100P%NAVPGS.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> writes:
>The entire floor of one pavillion (the size of a warehouse) was primarily
>Sailor Moon stuff!!  The vast majority of Sailor Moon doujinshi were
>primarily H or had significant H elements.....

Ok...ok...where does the doujinshi for sal part come in? ^_-

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