HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: CNS User Services, University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:11:29 GMT


I have been trying to think of an alternative to soc.motss.coping, but the
best I could come up with is soc.motss.sharing.  I'm not 100% satified
with it, but I do like it better than soc.motss.coping.  Perhaps someone
else can take this ball and run with it.

-James

-- 
I'm feeling kinda loose, I'm feeling kinda mean       | First I was a murderer
I've been feeling kinda wild since I turned seventeen | Then I was a saint
- Melissa Etheridge, "Ain't It Heavy"                 | -The Glove,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| "Like An Animal"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: Canadian minister says... say what?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.211629.15157@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>

>Recently, the Canadian Human Rights Act was amended to include sexual  
>orientation, 

Careful -- the legislation to amend the CHRA has indeed been  tabled
in the House of Commons, but there are still several readings, committee
work, Senate approval and Royal Assent to go.  The CHRA is NOT yet amended.

> ...... but gay marriage was excluded. Our justice minister, Kim  
>Cambell, recently wrote this to the Vancouver Sun, where she masterfully  
>says almost nothing:
>

[text of letter from Kim Campbell deleted]

Anthony goes on to say:

>Now look at this paragraph again:
>
>"There is no definition of "family status" or "spouse" in the amending  
>bill. The legislation explicitly prohibits discrimination on the basis of  
>a person's sexual orientation. It excludes claims on the basis of marital  
>status, but there are no definitions or other provisions to restrict  
>claims on the basis of family status, including spousal relationships."
>
>Does anyone, Canadian or not, have any idea of what the *hell* this means?

Other than a cynical comment that this is bafflegab (trying to have her
cake [sexual orientation protection inserted,  as required by recent court
decisions] and eating it too [putting in "but we won't let them get
--eeewww!--- married" to keep the red-necks in the Tory  caucus off her
back]), no, I don't know WHAT the sam hill it means.  But then, Kim
is (a) a politician and (b) a lawyer, so she's an expert at saying 
not much.

>
>Canadian politics. Sheesh.
>
I'd second  that.  

Actually, the  amending bill as it is, with protection but  no-marital-
status  is a real Trojan horse, and I think the best we can  hope for
is that it dies on  the order paper  when Parliament is next  prorogued.

Chris
-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:17:27 GMT

In article <5383@calmasd.Prime.COM> nef@calmasd.Prime.COM (Nancy Fox) writes:
>I'm afraid you're going to have to take a refresher course before
>we can give you back your credentials...

"I was the best of lesbians, I was the worst of lesbians ... "
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Newsgroups: soc.motss

> Does anybody know the address of some good "gay" bars in or near Falls
> Church, VA?

The best you can do is hop on 66 and go into DC.  Start in Dupont Circle,
at the intersection of P street and 22nd, and find a bar.  Diagonally
across the intersection from the church is a good start.

Pick up a copy of the Washington Blade and find the rest of them.

Dave Decot
(Falls Church refugee)
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Friend's Opinions (was Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insu
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:44:12 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu (The Dreamer) writes:

>example, if he thinks that he still wants to have a Coors Light despite the
>fact that Colorado passed CO-2, that is his option.  I will try to show him
>why I am not going to drink any Coors products and it is his option to agree

Bleah.  You needed Colorado as an excuse to stop?
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: New DPN
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:13:54 GMT

The new Diseased Pariah News is out - look for it in your local bookstore.
Many more places are carrying it than used to.  They now have a German
distributor as well.  

I'll just mention a few highlights: 

- Pariah Chase
  You too can Spot Serocloseted Republicans in Your Very Own Neighborhood

  - Tailored business attire may be replaced by looser Armani styles. 
  - "Leukemia"

  and so forth.

- The recipe for Biffy Mae's Sexually Repressed Pecan Pie.

- The continued "Adventures of a Working Boy" by Scott O'Hara.

And in a separate brochure, there's information about the Official DPN
Silent Auction.  Twelve, count 'em, twelve items for sale:

1)  White Trash Dinner for Two, catered by Biffy Mae.

2)  "Build Your Own Porn Potato" kit.

3)  Dusty Deaditor Paperweight, a lucite paperweight containing swirls of 
    the late Tom Shearer's ashes.

4)  Boogie-Board with the Surfboy Slaves, an afternoon with Mod Bob and 
    the Bubble-Butt Surfboy Slaves.

5)  Two Dozen Biffy Mae Brownies

6)  Erotic Phone Call with the Editors, a 15 minute conversation with the 
    editor of your choice.

7)  A Pariah Pullover, handmade sweater by Biffy Mae.  "The gnarled double-
    octavia pattern is subtly evocative of lymphoma."

8)  Photo Session with Mod Bob.  Your limits will be respected.

9)  Autographed, Colorized Captain Condom Panel.

10) You could appear in a Captain Condom Episode!

11) Humpy Editor Refrigerator Magnet, featuring a sometimes motsser.
    There's also a picture of much of him in this edition. 

12) Mystery Prize, "surely an experience to take to your grave.  Not for
    the squeamish."


Subscriptions $10 for 4 issues, US$12 in Canada, US$20 international.  You
must sign a statement saying that you are over 18.  Spend those
subscriptions and contributions to DPN, c/o Men's Support Center, PO Box 
30564, Oakland, California 94604.  Sample issue is $3 ($4 Canada, $6 Intl).

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Hi Honey, I'm home (GKTT85)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:51:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.194132.2568@psych.toronto.edu>, jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

> Lessons of Life #241432:

You're taking the accelerated course, I see. I've only got up to
#175942 (and I've been at it more than 20 years longer... guess I'm a
slow learner).

However, this is one mistake I have, in fact, never made:

> *Never* make a posting to soc.motss just as you're scrambling to get out
> of the office to your clogging class.


> I could claim that the names were changed to protect the innocent, but
> neither one of them strike me as having *ever* been innocent.  B{) 

[blushes, looks at floor, examines fingernails]

> 
> Profuse apologies to all,

Readily accepted. The compliment that started all this chit-chat more
than made up for one mistyped letter.

And while we're on the subject, I'll mention that Brian, on the
occasion of his visit in September, was looking pretty tasty
himself... just as I remembered from his home turf.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Cramer spoiling the party
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:23:40 GMT

In article <1glaorINNqns@oak23.doc.ic.ac.uk>, kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:

[suggestion to ignore Cramer, with which I heartily agree]

> Has it been tried before?  (spot the 
> relative newcomer)

Well, it's been *proposed* before, often. I don't know that it's ever
really been "tried". It's hard to tell, because it only takes one
mistake to ruin everyone else's attempt...
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:46:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.160120.12608@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) wrote:

> The TERMS of American discourse are thoroughly fucked.

Tough shit.

*X*
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:32:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec14.133221.25948
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec14.000732.1791@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu> charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton) writes:
>>Yeah, yeah, yeah.  CD's have a wider dynamic range, but the sound
>>reproduction within vinyl's narrower range is superior.
>
>I was cleaning out my closet the other day, and came across a few issues
>of the Boston Audio Society _Speaker_ magazine from 10 years ago, when
>the CD was first released.  Of course, the BAS has long been a champion
>of rigorous double-blind testing when it comes to controversies like this.
>As far as I can tell, a CD can be made to sound indistinguishable from its
>corresponding vinyl: you merely need to add a smidge of wow-and-flutter,
>a high-frequency preemphasis due to faulty RIAA equalization circuits in
>the audio auteurs' phono preamps, a few clicks and pops, and a haze of
>low-frequency rumble and high-frequency hiss!  I imagine such a circuit
>could be manufactured pretty cheaply if there were enough demand.
>
>One of the BAS issues had a cute summary of some AES meetings where one guy
>claimed that listing to digital audio made one "weaker".  Someone would
>stretch an arm out with the vinyl playing and be able to keep an arm out-
>stretched even while someone was pressing down on it.  Then a CD would be
>played, and the person's arm would be pushed down immediately.  Gasp.
>
>Anyway, Charlie, unless your tastes run to the entire collected works of
>"Tangerine Dream" and "Megadeth", I doubt you'd enjoy George's old record
>collection. :-)

Hateful! All of TD is out on CD anyway, and it sounds much better than
the original in all cases; the pressing of the soundtrack to
"Sorcerer" was really awful. I've also seen Edgar Froese (what? You
say I like it just because he is a big blond bear circa 1970's which
means sloppy in a compelling way) stuff which was pretty unknown even
on vinyl ("Macula Transfer"). Well. letting my guard down. Back to my
Ligeti chorales....
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:48:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.212913.27020@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) describes what he claims is
>the official cabal application.  There must be a Reason that I
>repeatedly construed deatil #3:
> >3. It must bear a notary seal (raised fonts on CRT's is soooo tricky).
>as
>"an otary seal."

*there* *is* *no* *otary*

(And there ain't'a-no sanity clause, neither.)


-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:36:29 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed to your parents. - Advice.
 <1992Dec17.160821.17646@news.ysu.edu>

In article <1992Dec17.160821.17646@news.ysu.edu>, ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley
Miller) says:
>
>In a previous article, sean_v1@verifone.com () says:
>
>>Hiya'll!  I've got a little problem, and I'm fishing for any advice from such
>>worldy people..  I have a friend, who is 17 and Bisexual.  His name is Rick.
>>His mother just recently found out about it, and thinks it's just a phase,
>>and suggests he go to counseling..  He's very upset over the whole matter,
>>and his mom has said somethings that are very hurtful to him..   I've got
>>some literature from PFLAG about coming out to your parent's, it has alot of
>>reassuring advice in it, even if it's too late, to have a controled
>>situation..  I was just wondering, if any out there, has words of advice, or
>>even encouregment for my friend..  I'll forward any and all EMail to him..
>>
>
>I would suggest giving some of the P-FLAG materials to his mother...just
>maybe it will help her with her insecurities.
>
>Tell your friend that his mother's reaction is not unusual...there are still
>some strong cultural problems inherant in finding out a child is lesbigay.
>Tell him to give her a little time, and a lot of understanding, and she may
>before long come around.

This is so true.  When I came out to my mom (at 25 yrs old) she didn't
take it well and it took some time for her to understand.  I was bombarded
by the typical "are you sure? how do you know?" etc questions.  Our
interactions were rather tense for some time.  A couple weeks ago I told
her of my intent to get "married" to my boyfriend and she was completely
supportive.  As a matter of fact, I think she and I are closer now than
before.

One bit of advice tho - nasty loud arguments won't go anywhere, but calm
discussions work wonders.
>
>Good luck, and hugs to your friend...he's going to need them...

I second that and with added *hugs*..

-Tim
From: kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: URGENT HUG REQUEST
Date: 13 Dec 1992 11:06:12 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: motmot.doc.ic.ac.uk



I have strong, strong suspicions that my beautiful, marvellous
boyfriend is about to dump me.  Noose at the ready.  I need
some huggin'


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        ##  Kenny Campbell         ______     If at first you don't   ##
        ##  Imperial College       \    /     succeed, failure might  ##
        ##  London                  \  /      be your style.          ##
        ##  kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk         \/                 Quentin Crisp ##
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: King James Version
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:27:16 GMT

> bjb@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg) writes:
>I was at a S.Q.U.I.S.H.* meeting a couple of weeks ago, and one
>of the kids there told me that he read that issue of Newsweek
>with the cover story of "Gay's Under Fire."  On it, there was
>a photo of someone holding up a sign that said "God Hates Gays"
>with a bible citation.  The boy told me that he went to the
>school library and looked through the bibles there, but couldn't
>find the anti-homosexuality quote referenced.

 [bible quotes deleted]

"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"
                -- William Shakespeare
                   "The Merchant of Venice", Act I, scene 3
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Need A Date for a HS reunion (New Jersey)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:14:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Dec20.082718.25907@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.073841.23710@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald 
>Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>
>>*throws his hand up in the air!*
>>
>>I'll go!!!  Then they'll really talk!
>
>Excellent idea!  Tom, take him up on it.  
>
>Who knows, maybe something besides his hand will end up in the air. 

Tom,

You send that boy a train ticket *THIS* INSTANT or no more punishment
for *YOU*

Grandmama KK
ry@usl.com
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Summary: chit, chat, chit, chat..
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:18:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec18.081817.23388
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <47467@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>btw: this thread is starting to sound like a chat between you and Nelson
>and I don't think I should have to read it.

Oh, it's OK, markie-poo.

BTW, why didn't you make it to that motss dinner at Alexis? There was
only a couple of inches of snow. I guess the traffic was bad. Well, we
had a wonderful time without you.

And everyone, guess what - it was my first time doing the wine ritual.
Apparantly because I talked the loudest about ordering a bottle of
wine, the waitron decided I was the one responsible and I was the one
who had to taste it and make sure it was acceptable. I am now an adult.

>a group called soc.motss.wool.scarves

what about soc.motss.sexy.people.without.shift.keys.in.red.scarves? I
can't tell what the scarf was made of from the GIF, but I suspect it
was silk..

Oh, did I mention that I have a splitting headache?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: Jews for Melkor
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:38:40 GMT

In article <Bz7wMr.3J2@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>
>Are people going to say, "I support GLB rights but not for transgendered
>people".  Are we facing a confusion of the issues?  Is the platform to
>ideologically diverse?  I guess the real question is, Can it be easily 
>construed as such?  The masses will bite at what they will and we have
>little control over it.  Tom explained the platform well in the previous
>post.  It cleared up a lot of questions which I had.  We will not be
>able to do the same for everyone.  We must be aware of this and be ready
>and able to defend them.  The initial post has made it clear.  

One problem I have with the platform is that it "demands" some
things that are ideologically debatable. It says that to support
GLB rights is to support those things and vice versa. Cases in
point:

The "reproductive freedom" demand (demand #5). I know many
gay-positive people who think that abortion ought to be
restricted or outlawed. These are decent, thoughtful people who
have a respect for individual rights and freedoms; however, since
their definition of "individual" encompasses the fetus, they are
ideologically compelled to oppose abortion. The platform tells
these people that they are unwelcome. (Nat Hentoff wrote an
article in a recent New Republic about how he has been alienated
from the "progressive" community since he went public as
anti-abortion.)

The "universal access to health care" demand (demand #2). Some of
us are against national health care for reasons that have nothing
to do with gay rights, one way or the other. This demand tells us
that we are unwelcome in the march.

Note that both of these are phrased as "demands". The tone the
platform asserts is one of unimpeachable moral superiority; to
disagree with it is to be wrong, plain and simple. I'll agree
with this while the demands are for repeal of sodomy laws and an
end to the ban in the military; but I will *not* go along with
this when the platform calls for morally debatable things, like
abortion rights and national health care. Regardless of my own
positions on these issues, I won't insult the many good and
thoughtful people who oppose either or both of these by asserting
that to oppose these causes is to be against "gay rights and
liberation".

One last note: To participate in the march must surely be to
endorse the platform. The platform doesn't say "Some of the
people who helped organize the march demand"; it says "the march
demands". If the platform has any moral force, it comes from the
people who march under that platform. I disagree with the
platform enough that I cannot lend my support to it in such a
way. For this reason (and this reason alone), I won't be in the
march.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"We all have faults, and mine is being wicked."
                --- The Duke of Coffin Castle
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:55:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1g70nuINNqet@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> In article <Bz0wpr.6qF@queernet.org> 
> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
> > In article <1g5s3aINNhk6@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
> > writes:
> > |> Clearly it's not, or you wouldn't have chosen to live
> > |> in what is truly a cultural backwater, something 
> > |> Pittsburgh most assuredly is not.

> > Ithaca is certainly a *geographic* backwater (one of the traits Melinda most
> > values, I think), but hardly a cultural one.  

[Much stuff deleted]

> Melinda just had no business dumping on Pittsburgh.

Melinda has lived both in Pittsburgh and Ithaca; I am more inclined to
trust what she has to say about cultural opportunities in either place than
the contentions of someone who has, apparently, lived in neither.

Arne, I'm genuinely curious why you're going so high-order about this. From
what someone else said (erroneously?) you've never lived there, so it can't
be leftover Pittsburgh-chauvanism. Why is this such a hot button for you?
Why all the shouting and defensiveness?


> Arne


TDO (puzzled)
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: allyn@halcyon.com (mark allyn)
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Summary: Dunkin Donuts and Cops
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:51:23 GMT

I wonder if it were not for traffic cops, would Dunkin Donuts go out of
business? What percentage of their business is due to police? If they
ever relax the speed or traffic laws, should I dump my shares in
the company?

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:18:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <18123@autodesk.COM>, owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) wrote:

> pardon me for being obtuse, ok.

Why, dahhh-ling!  Don't think of yourself as 'obtuse.'  Being
'a-cute' is so much more fun!

*X*
(or, you could think of yourself as a CAD... :-) )
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