HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Re: Vallee's Revelations
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 21:21:17 GMT

In article <140398.2ACBADDB@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:

[...]

[someone else was saying this next bit]
|>  >
|>  > JV is not main-stream. He is a loaner, predisposed to many ideas that
|>  > the community of UFO researchers would not always agree with, so keep
|>  > that in mind when you read his books. He is highly opinionated, and
|>  > could quite possibly be very misguided in his conclusions...
|> 
[Michael's response]
|> I totally disagree with this statement.  Can you prove these statements about 
|> Jacques' research?
|> 
|> Mike
|> 
[...]

Having read the last 4 or 5 of Vallee's books, I would tend to agree that
he holds unorthodox theories and is *highly* opinionated. The idea that he
might be wrong just goes with the territory.

Vallee (in _Revelations_) gave me the impression that he thought he was the
only UFO researcher with a brain and everyone else was incompetent or worse.
He seemed quite hostile and self-satisfied and it kind of got on my nerves.
Some of his arguments against other peoples research seemed to carry too much
emotional baggage for my tastes.

That being said, (and being my *subjective* opinion of course) I have a lot
of respect for him and I tend to agree with a lot of his opinions. I highly
recommend his books. I feel his research is well thought out and carefully
executed. I like his methodology and his questioning of preconcieved notions
(like the ETH), I just don't like his "style" ;^)



Leonard.

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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: "Alternative 3": April Fool! (was: Bookstores and excellent books
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:13:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Sep.29.12.44.30.1992.7249@dropout.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
>	carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
>	While we might not know what's in the payloads, there's really
>	no way to hide a launch.  Not even from Vandenburg.  
>
>... knowing that something is going up doesn't tell you what 
>it is.  If you see a Titan-3 launch something, does that tell
>you *anything* about what's inside?  The reason for classified
>payloads is precisely so we won't know.   If we don't know, we're
>allowed to guess (I looked it up.)

I would be the first to second what Charles said here, but remember,
the crux of what most of the secret space program conspiracies are
built on is ANTI-GRAVITY TECHNOLOGY, and these craft HAVE BEEN SITED in
the US and in Australia at Pine Gap, coming out of underground bases.

If you can launch without a fireball, you can do just about anything covertly
that you wish to, assuming it's within your capability to leave the
atmouspher of the earth...

Remember, we were seeing progress reports in the papers and press through
the late 1950's, then nothing concerning antigravity research. It is
entirely possible that these devices are being used today for projects
we know nothing about. This would also indicate that we have a secret
science program that they are not teaching in the universities...

Jeff-
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Interdimensional communication...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:47:42 GMT


In article <717331015.0@krypta.fidonet.org>, Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Eichner) writes...
>Hello All!
> 
>Is anybody interested oder working on interdimensional communication with 
>aliens oder any other?
> 
>cheers
>   Andre
> 
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> * Origin: FidoNet-Berlin, the magic node  (2:2403/10@FidoNet)

If this means what I think it means, Andre.... I'm interested.

mary
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From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 20:52:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - The Net to Get When You've Gotta Get the Net
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors

In article <66699@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dear Voters: Due to the fact that I got all mixed up and didn't accept
>the nomination when it was offered me, I here-by and forth-with vote
>for the honorable distinguished gentleman from the world Mr. Kebo and 
>Babagi.

Unfortunately, Mr. Kebo and Babagi (or Mr. Kebo and Mr. or Ms. Babagi)
does not appear on the ballot as posted here several times.  Leader Kibo
does appear, as does John Winston.  In any event, to be counted your vote
must be sent to the voting booth Earth@ed.ac.uk before 00:00 GMT
Wednesday, 30 September 1992.

>John Winston

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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mars probe?
Keywords: Mars,fithp,thuktun :)
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:28:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep29.180739.11414@tamsun.tamu.edu> cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Christopher James Rogers) writes:
>In article <26375@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>
>>
>>=>There was also a story a while back on the Fox network program
>>=>"Sightings" about how supposedly Soviet ground controllers lost mysteriously
>>=>lost contact with one of their Phobos probes orbiting Mars, this was in
>>=>1989 or 90.  The last photo it transmitted was of one of Mars's moons,
>>=>but their was also a second large obejct in the photo....
>>
>>Mars?
>>
>>=>Simon
>>
>>FoFP
>
>Sorry, but no.  It was not Mars.  The object was long and cylindrical.  As of 
>yet, it is not explained.
*ALERT RED FLASH MESSAGE*
They might be the enemy that followed my fleet from the alternate timeline we
came from. Eyeeeeeeeeewwwwww. It's going to get nasty.

Grand Admiral Jorgen Tacitus
Cinc: Terran Navy (maybe not for long :()
Fleet Headquarters
Fortress Abowaku (My flag bounces around like a ping pong ball in a blender.)

We'll show 'em. (I hope it's not the them I'm thinking of.)<choke>



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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: He's Baaack!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:50:11 GMT

I know this properly belongs in the startrek group, but I couldn't
resist posting it here, recalling all the posts awhile back saying
Perot was an alien stooge...

Does anyone else think that Perot bears an uncanny resemblence to
a Ferengi (those "lovable" Used-Car-Salesmen-of-the-Galaxy tm)?

no offense intended to real used car salesmen, of course  :-).

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: My Stepmother Is An Alien!
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:24:06 GMT

Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7215 sci.skeptic:17555
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:04:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I wonder how many bets were taken that Chris (CRAZYMAN) Colombus would sail
off
the end of the Earth? 

Here is another clever person with a wonderful example human intelect. This
is a quote from a 1865 Boston Post editorial:

"WELL INFORMED PEOPLE KNOW IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT THE VOICE OVER
WIRES AND THAT, WERE IT POSSIBLE TO DO SO, THE THING WOULD BE OF NO
PRACTICAL VALUE."

Anything is possible......the jury is still out on this one folks.

Rod

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From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: TALK WITH ALIENS! (Sure you can try!!!)
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:48:16 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <140335.2AC4014E@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, T.ORG (David Grant) writes:
> Believe me when I say that I am not trying to be a twit....
> But I really would like to meet some ALIENS...  Maybe take a ride on a
> flying saucer....
>  
> David Grant - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>	Sure you can try :)
>	Sometimes we make a joking that the mystry f UFO and Aliens like 
>	some kind of relogion. Many people haven't seen any trace  about 
>	UFO and Aliens themself, but they're realy faith on it.
>
>	It's interesting to talk about that. You can say that Aliens and  
>	never exist in this world cause nobody will show you any offical
>	evidence except those legendry fiction movie ...
>
>	But if somebody raly believe it. It's realy not a dream ...
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.binaries.pictures.misc
From: wilson@glitch.cs.jhu.edu (Dwight Wilson)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:34:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.220443.142310@zeus.calpoly.edu> swoodwar@zeus.calpoly.edu (Null Cypher) writes:
>$100 says that the sun will not explode next week

$100 says you won't pay off if it does.


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From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Christopher James Rogers)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:13:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.185843.7100@netcom.com> vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.173457.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>> I'm going to quote an ex-CIA official because I would like very much
>> to see what people on the net think of his views.
>
> [...] 
>
>   I'd  like  to confine  my  comments   to the effect   of   OFFICIAL
>confirmation of aliens  on the scientific community.  Scientists would
>be demoralized to  a  devastating    degree.   
>   Let's say  you are a  scientific demigod at Stanford.  You've spent
>your best years working 70 hours a week to become the  expert in, say,
>high temperature  superconductors.   You're  on national    boards and
>committees, you   have  lucrative  consulting arrangements  with major
>corporations, maybe your own company with  stock holdings.  You bought
>a vacation  home on Maui two years   ago.   You're talking  to Clinton
>staffers about  FY94  "investment"  in  a    National  Superconduction
>Research Center, of which you will be the director.  In  short, you're
>fat and happy.
>   Now  George Bush, who will do anything to win the election, holds a
>national press conference and lays  it all  out.  The ultimate October
>surprise.  Aliens are real.   They are a  million years ahead of us in
>science.  They are willing to share their knowledge with us.  He shows
>photos, video tapes, trots out an NSA  spook  to field questions.  And
>of course he takes credit for reaching the secret diplomatic agreement
>with the Aliens.
>  How  is  our hypothetical Stanford luminary going to take this?  For
>him  it is a personal  CATASTROPHE!  Yes, he would  like  to learn the
>secrets of the universe,  but his  life is  in ruins.  Superconduction
>theory is now irrelevant,  childlike.   His  scientific and  financial
>position has  evaporated.  The  next  day  in  a graduate seminar, his
>students want to know why they should bother finishing the course when
>it is now all useless drivel.  And they're right.
>   The universities, industrial research labs, DARPA, and the National
>Science Foundation people are totally demoralized, in chaos.  Everyone
>has  to go  back  to  kindergarten.  Fine if  you  are six years  old,
>catastrophic if you are  40  or 50,  like everyone  in the  scientific
>power structure.
>
There is some substance behind that theory, but it only applies to those
scientists that are not willing to accept.  If our scientists were faced with 
the sudden existance of aliens who (foolishly) wish to share their knowledge 
with us, then they would logically go from being Scientists to being the 
representatives of Earth.  After all, someone has to introduce the info to our
society.  I don't think things would be as severe as going back to Kindergarten
either.  If the info were introduced properly, then people could learn it much
like they learn about anything else newly discovered or designed in our world.

Later!
C J Rogers
From: eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:10:34 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall)
Organization: Xerox

In article <1992Oct6.161857.22015@ncsu.edu>, echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT) writes:
|> In article <schumach.717988616@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
|> >You're on: my hundred dollars that the stupid "Face" is natural
|> >against your dollar that the "face" is artificial, with the 
|> >proviso that WE mutually agree on the decision. No appeal to
|> >any third party: this will put your integrity and mine on
|> >public trial. What say you? (I must say that I don't expect 
|> >the Mars Observer to return a high resolution image of the thing,
|> >because the high resolution camera can't really be aimed...)
|> 
|> I saw the original post, and I want in on this bet.  I've got
|> $100 against your $1 that says the Mars face is a natural feature.

Actually, the film processing lab forgot to remove someone's vacation photo
negatives from the enlarger. The face is really that of Clyde Thrumburger, of
Madison Wisconsin. The film processing staff is currently under investigation.
NASA regrets the error.

|> -- 
|> --------------------
|> Craig Hyatt
|> NCSU@Raleigh, NC USA
|> echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu
|> --------------------

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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Anyone Heard Of Robert Hastings?
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:42:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

Hastings has been on the circuit for a few years.  He wrote a paper about the 
alledged MJ-12 material, completely discrediting the information.  Although I 
have never met the man in person, he seems to have interesting information.  I 
have talked to him on the phone a couple of times.

Mike

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From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: TALK WITH ALIENS!
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:43:29 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <140335.2AC4014E@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, David.Grant@f146.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Grant) writes:

|>
|>Believe me when I say that I am not trying to be a twit....
|> 
|>But I really would like to meet some ALIENS...  Maybe take a ride on a
|>flying saucer....
|> 
|>:-)
|>--  


	Well I tell you what. You send me $10,000 and I will book you a 
	fight aboard the Star Cruser REPTOID nex time it's in dock.


	Steve Food_for_the_Grays
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From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: NASA Launch Calendar
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.162114.26131@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
|> Hello Everyone,
|> 
|> Check this out......Looks like NASA is tired of waitng for UFO's, so it
|> seems they are going to launch their own. Wrote Author of this Calendar,
|> waiting for response.
|> 
|>  
|> +     Here's the latest Space Calendar.  If you see any updates to the
|> +calendar, then please let me know.  Note that launch dates are subject to
|> +change.
|> 
|>                              =========================
|>                                   SPACE CALENDAR
|>                                 September 27, 1992
|>                              =========================
|> 
|> +* indicates change from last month's calendar
|> 
|> +   October 1992
|> +     ?? - Galaxy 7 Ariane Launch
|> +>>>>>?? - UFO Atlas Launch
|> +     04 - 35th Anniversary, Sputnik Launch (1st Satellite ever)
|> +     05 - Progress Launch (Soviet)
|> +     09 - Galileo, Trajectory Correction Maneuver 15 (TCM-15)
|> +     10 - Draconid Meteor Shower (Solar Longitude 197.0 degrees)
|> +    *10 - Mars Observer, 1st Trajectory Correction Maneuver (TCM-1)
|> +>>>>>12 - SETI Scanning Begins

|> Info Deleted

|> Also note that SETI scanning for ETI begins October 12th, I'll give em a
|> month or so until they find something. It's election time you
|> know.........
 

Yep.  I'll bet the "discovery" of a little ETI would do wonders
for funding........ :-)


Mike Lynch
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (What a long, strange trip it's been)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:47:38 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.135548.23082@acd4.acd.com>, gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes...
>In article <1992Oct1.153043.19177@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
>>
>>In article <15532@suns9.crosfield.co.uk>, imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor) writes...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>So there it all is, the worst fears,even down to the collapse of civilization
>>>>>as we know it.  What I'm wondering is, what do people think about this now?
>>>>>WOULD the mass of people go completely ape if it was established that UFOs
>>>>>and Visitors are real?  I can't quite make up my mind.  Let's have some
>>>>>discussion on this and see what peoples's views are.
>>>>> 
>>>>I don't think people today would get very upset at all.  As a matter of fact,
>>>>I think that a lot of people today are more or less expecting something like
>>>>this ... waiting for it.  
>>>> 
>>>Personally, I don't think we'll ever see the secrecy lifted, unless the aliens
>>>(if they exist) do it themselves, or there is a major change in super power
>>>politics and policy, which is equally unlikely.
>>> 
>>>______________________________________________________________________________
>>>| Ian Taylor (x4097)	|			     | imt@cel.crosfield.uk   |
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>If the aliens decide to do it themselves, Ian (and I am of the opinion that
>>they've already made that decision), then we will quickly see a major change
>>in super politics policy.  Super politics policy adapts quickly... they are
>>very pragmatic. :-)
>>
>>
> 
>This is also true. They will resist until the last moment, claiming the
>change is terribibel (a term stolen from Winnie the Pooh's Tigger) and
>horribibel. Then, once it happens, they will be right in ther claiming they
>were a proponent all along, etc., etc. 
> 
>Gregg
> 
> 
>-- 
>This .sig was prepared by a professional editor. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

Yep... you got it! :-)

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Summary: Congressman Traxler Cares
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:35:13 GMT

In article <10499@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:
> There's always the "we don't need no stinking aliens - we'll do it ourselves"
> angle.  Who cares if it takes a few hundred years to "catch up"? 

   Congressman  Traxler cares.    This   is  the gentleman who led the
recent attempt to cut  ALL funding for  the  space station  in  the US
House of Representatives.  In recent years the margin of  approval has
been progressively   diminishing.  Mr. Traxler  and his  bretheren are
going   to say, with  some  justification,   "Why  should we spend $20
billion over the next ten years on scientific research and engineering
when we could  use the money to rebuild  the slums in Detroit or start
reducing the federal deficit."  You could set up some relatively small
and cheap  Alien tech  transfer   committees that would  yield a  much
better return on the taxpayers' investment.   I would agree  with this
approach.    Prof. Luminary's knowledge, his   lab  equipment, and his
stock holdings  are now  worthless.  And  just as important,  his  ego
would be deflated and he would  be in  psychic shock.  The politicians
would  be justified in  freezing  or cancelling the  funding  for most
existing scientific research projects.  Only a  few would be continued
and redirected to examine the new Alien scientific theories.
   We see a small hint of   the same  phenomenon in  the  effect on US
science and   engineering  of the collapse  of  the  Soviet  Union.  A
million scientist  and engineers  are losing  their jobs  because  the
justification for the projects went away.  Congress doesn't care.  Let
them relocate to Detroit  and fix potholes.  California  is now in the
worst economic condition since  the depression, with  defense spending
cuts a major cause.  Official  confirmation of  Alien technology would
magnify this  phenomenon 1000  times.   




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