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From: atmkip@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Crispin Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Ann Arbor, MI... a cyclist's paradise?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:05:51 GMT
Organization: Institute of Geophysics, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ

Keywords: 

Hi Folks,
         I'm considering a career move to U.Michigan at Ann Arbor. What's
the biking like there? I get the feeling it's uncomfortably close to the
HQ of General Motors, not really my kind of place. There again I bet it
doesn't get as windy as Wellington, NZ!
                 Cheers, and thanks in advance, Kip Marks. XXoX
From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Long Beach House
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:44:54 GMT
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Northern Telecom NAS, Rochester, NY


kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland) wrote this about 
"FOR SALE: Long Beach House":
>
>>Custom 4000 sq ft. 3 Bdrm, 2.5 BA
>>pool, spa, patio
>>Park Estates
>>Long Beach, California  $945K
>>
>
>
>What components are on it and how easy is it to pedal!
>
>Kevin Ruland
>kevin@rodin.wustl.edu
>
>PS.  It's rec._bicycles_.rides

	That's right.  And according to the charter this should have been
	in rec.bicycles.marketplace!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Sierra to the Sea '93
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: nw
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:47:19 GMT

|> Does anybody know of similar rides that do NOT have sag support and
|> food?  Basically, I want to buy organization: routes, mileages etc,
|> but want to be self-sufficient like the good 'ole days?

I think Bikecentenial, AYH, and the Sierra Club still
run self-sufficient trips.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: What do you find to be the best foot position on the pedal?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:46:30 GMT

Perhaps this should be in misc?
In article <1992Sep14.193118.30574@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>I would like to find the best foot position on the pedal
  Toe straps are very usefull.  Not to hold your foot down for an upstroke but
to hold your foot so that you don't have to work to keep it on the pedal.  I
find that without toe straps or clipless pedals I can't keep the ball of my
foot on the pedal.
  Postion:  The ball of your foot should be right over the axel of the pedal.
But this depends upon where you are sitting and your hip-knee-foot
relationship.  Generally a plumb line from the bone just below you knee; with
the pedal horizontal; should also go thru the axle.  When positioned like that
your legs should not straighten out while pedaling and your hips should not
rock.  That is a basic guidline.  From there you may find that small changes
make cycling much more comfortable or painfull.  Change the positon slowly and
find whats best for you.  Of course the handlebar (reach and height) position
also influence comfort.
  About safety.  Yes tight straps and cleats hold your feet in the pedals but
given an emergency people do seem to get out of them.  Clipless pedals are more
safe because a rotation of the foot (tends to happen when you crash) auto-
magically unclips you but straps are cheap and work well.
  - Eric
From: jorourke@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason O'Rourke)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: EASY rides in the Berkeley/East Bay Area
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:36:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ucb
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

Most of the difficulty in climbing to Tilden fades in a short time.  Now
it is just an aerobic activity.  And it leads to some very nice trails.
As for coming down, I do not recommend Centennial drive to anyone, esp.
beginners.  Not only is it very steep, but the turns are tight and the
road quality is poor.  The high number of cars only adds to my unease
in going down it.  IMO, the best way to come down is via Claremont, from the
southern tip of Tilden, because you are able to go very fast very safely 
(faster than the few cars there and the speed limit).  

Backing up, I find Spruce to be the best way to get into Tilden, unless
I'm taking the Seaview trail.

Jason O'Rourke

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Re: Ann Arbor, MI... a cyclist's paradise?
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:15:47 GMT

>>         I'm considering a career move to U.Michigan at Ann Arbor. What's
>>he biking like there? I get the feeling it's uncomfortably close to the
>>HQ of General Motors, not really my kind of place. There again I bet it
>>doesn't get as windy as Wellington, NZ!
>>                Cheers, and thanks in advance, Kip Marks. XXoX

Actually there is very nice biking around Ann Arbor. Washtenaw County is mostly
rural (at least, it was 10 years ago) and the roads are very good. The most popular
ride is along the Huron River to Dexter west of Ann Arbor. North and west of 
Ann Arbor is gently rolling hills and farms. Touring in Michigan is also
good, especially up north.

GM HQ and related industrial-type stuff is almost all far to the east near Detroit.

Ann Arbor is a bike-friendly small city with an abundance of cafes, bagel shops,
etc. A great place to live, especially as a student (films, music, art, etc.). One of the 
nicer college towns around.

Good luck!

Al

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Bike Rides in the South
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:31:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.080506@gruc03.nor.chevron.com>
hjiwa@gruc03.nor.chevron.com (Jeff Wang) writes:
 
>
>Hi there,
>
>I've seen various postings on nice rides and trails in the west.  However, I am
>interested in hearing from anyone with suggestions for good rides in the south.
>Specifically, I'd like places that I can drive to for a weekend or long weekend
>outing from New Orleans...say...anywhere between Central Texas to Alabama.
>I've heard of some nice places in Alabama and, having went to school in Austin,
>am somewhat familiar with the trails in Austin (although I am unfamiliar with
>trails that may exist in the general central Texas region).  Any tips, personal
>experiences, and directions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx in advance.
>
Hook 'em Horns! from an old UT student/Austinite blown out of Texas by the rece
ssion. Check out the Natchez Trace. There might be some good biking along it--
though I really don't know for sure. I used to bike around Town Lake and also
through the Hill Country from the Salt Lick at Camp Ben McCullough to Wimberly.
Sure wish I was back there...
 
Cheers,
 
Jerry
From: jhcooper@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Hutton Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: EASY rides in the Berkeley/East Bay Area
Date: 9 Sep 1992 03:33:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ucb
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu

You might try going west of campus parallel to University starting
South of campus.  These roads turn into quiet residential neighborhoods.

I like the route up to Tilden Park.  It is a bit tough getting up there,
but after that the Park is beautiful.  You can then come back down
Centennial Drive by the Botanical Garden and Memorial Stadium.  I don't
think you want to go up Centennial Drive because it is VERY steep.
There's a shuttle that goes up there, but I don't know whether
they let you take bicycles on those.  Anyone know?

-- 

"Besides, it's clearly a bunny rabbit."		      John Hutton Cooper
- Lt. Com. Data, discussing random gas patterns       jhcooper@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mbothe@netcom.com (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Rides around Sunnyvale/San Jose area
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 16:51:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca

Anyone interested in easy rides around the Sunnyvale area afrer work or
weekends?

Mike
mbothe@netcom.com

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles
From: skon@gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu (james paul skon)
Subject: Ride in Central Ohio - Knox County Bicycle Challenge
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:55:24 GMT

                   KNOX COUNTY BICYCLE CHALLENGE
                             SATURDAY
                        SEPTEMBER 19, 1992
                              7:30 AM
                     Gambier Community Center
                           Gambier, Ohio
                           Rain or Shine
                       
The Knox County Bicycle Challenge returns to it's roots this year
with a route that strives to be one of Ohio's most challenging one
day tours.  It has also been designed to reward you by showcasing
some of the prettiest cycle country in state.                     

The countryside radiates the true spirit of cycling; freedom.  The 
route will take you across magnificant vistas to meandering valley
roads, from heavily wooded wilderness to the simplicity of amish 
farmland.  And, of course, linking all this beauty are HILLS, lots
and lots of hills.


THE FULL CHALLENGE: 100+ miles designed to be a strenuous test of
end of season fitness for the seasoned tourist.  25 significant 
climbs await, some short and steep, others long and ardous, all
guaranteed to be memorable.  Based on the course length and terrain
we rate the terrain degree of difficulty (TDD) =10.

THE METRIC CHALLENGE: 64 miles sharing much of the full challenge, 
but avoiding the more difficult areas.  Escape route for 100 for
riders who change their mind.  TDD=7.

THE HALF METRIC: For the less experienced rider we offer 39 miles
that you can be proud of.  The terrain is flat to gently rolling
with a few short hill thrown in just for fun.  TTD = 4.

The Ride starts and at the Gambier Community Center in Gambier.
Registration opens at 6:30 a.m. with a start for the century and 
metric riders at 7:30 a.m.  Half-metric riders can start at any
time up to 8:30 a.m.

Gambier is in central Ohio 5 miles east of Mt. Vernon.  It is about
50 miles NE of Columbus, and 25 miles south of Mansfield.  Please
feel free to Email questions on getting there to the address below.

Included in the $10 registration fee are the following:
DIRECTIONAL ASSISTANCE: A map and route arrows serve as our "yellow
brick road"

FULL SERVICE FOOD STOPS: Lots of nutritional goodies.
	1 stop for half metric
	2 stops for metric
	3 stops for full challenge
	
LIMITED SAG SUPPORT

UNIQUE, DISTINCTIVE PATCH.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
First Name:
Last Name:
Address:
City:				State:
Zip:			Phone:
Age:		Sex: M/F
Club:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Send to: Knox County Bicycle Challenge
         1008 East Wayne Avenue
         Wooster, Ohio  44691
         
No SASE is needed.  Day of ride registration is allowed.


Send any questions to:
Jim Skon
skon@cis.ohio-state.edu
	
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: What do you find to be the best foot position on the pedal?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:31:18 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I sometimes ride with the balls of my feet on the pedals.
And sometimes I find that I've moved my feet to where the middle
of my feet are on the pedals.

I would like to know what do you find to be the best foot position on the pedal?
(The question could be answered with respect to speed, health, or any
other criteria that you can think of.)

And what do people think about the pedal clips?  Do they really help?
Are they safe?  (I've seen people that tie their feet in them.  I'd
hate to see what happens to them in an accident!)


-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Cycling Paradises, MTB
From: GDAV100@vm.bgu.ac.il (Bryon Gomberg)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:49:00 GMT
Organization: BGU University

Since everybody loves there own back yard for MTN biking (or else
they'de move, right?) I'de like to put in a little PR about mine.

The main differences between mountain biking in Israel vs. the US
(or other countries that disregard the right of MTN biking where
you want, when you want, and how you want) are:
1) No rules or laws. There is no access problems (except for security
hazards in some of the occupied territories) and most hikers are so
surprised to see bikers on the trails that they can't wait to get
out of your way.
2) A well maintained and mapped complex of gravel, double track and
single track trails with color-coded marker stones every 300 meters
(or at intersections and always in line of sight of each other). There
are 1:50,000 scale maps of most of the country with all the color-
coded trails, their difficulty, best seasons to travel, flora and
fauna descriptions, oasis's, points of interest, views, etc...
3) The country is small but diverse. You can Drive end to end in 4 hours
but the terrain changes from bare rock, scorching desert, to crisp clear
mountains. One of my favorites is a 46 km run, with an elevation drop
(or gain if you like starting at the bottom) of 1500 meters (5000').
4) The country is full of really old places full of deep historical
meaning.
5) Theres good local beer and lots of pizza places.

So if anybody happens this way, send me an email, and I'll arrange a
tour.

Cheers, Bryon

P.S. for our European friends who might be coming - don't bring a
bike. Prices in Israel are equivalent to US prices (or less), which
are about 40% less than in Europe. You can get the following brands:
Canondale, Giant, Scott, KHS, Trek, Raleigh, MBK, Peugout (Yuck!),
and Centurion (Diamond Back?).
Happy trails, BRG.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: chesnutt@adobe.com (Stan Chesnutt)
Subject: Big Island riding (Hawaii)
Organization: Tuesday Weld Fan Club
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:22:02 GMT

I am planning a bicycle ride around the Big Island of Hawaii soon.  The route
is about 250 miles, and I had planned a leisurely 50 miles per day.

Does anyone have any advice?  I've been to the Big Island several times, and
have traveled a bit, but never have I done any extensive riding there.

A friend (IronMan competitor) tells me the lava gravel and sand on the roads
will murder tires.  Any suggestions for a durable, yet sleek road tire?

All advice appreciated ...

Stan

-- 
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Stan Chesnutt,  Adobe Systems			      chesnutt@mv.us.adobe.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mitchell@well.sf.ca.us (Mitchell Gass)
Subject: Re: Is 580 near Livermore bike-legal?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:51:08 GMT

In article <72293@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>In what could easily turn out to be the dumbest stunt I've ever pulled,
>I'm thinking of riding from Palo Alto to Yosemite some day next week.  It
>appears to be close to 200 miles, which is a lot for a short September
>day, so I'm trying to shave as many miles as I can.
>
>One such opportunity is presented by the 1-mile stretch of I-580 between
>Hwy 84 and Vasco Rd. in Livermore: getting on the freeway between those
>two exits looks as if it would save maybe five miles.  It also appears, to
>my limited knowledge of the rules governing these things, as if it ought
>to be legal to ride there.
>
>Does anyone know if it is?  Would anyone care to comment on the safety (for
>bikes) of that stretch of freeway and, if it ain't legal, on my chances of
>riding it without getting caught?  It's about a mile, and doesn't involve
>merging with auto traffic as long as there's some kind of shoulder.

Hi Eric,

Sounds like you're going to Yosemite instead of the Developer Tools picnic :-)
The Official CalTrans District 4 Bicycle Route Guide shows that stretch as
one of its recommended routes, but alongside 580.  I suspect that means that
there's a frontage road.

Back when the State of California still had money, you could get bicycle maps
for all of the CalTrans districts. (The address on the District 4 map is
"Bicycle Unit/Department of Transportation/P.O. Box 7310/San Francisco, CA
94120.)  Anyone know if they're still available?

Mitchell Gass
mitch@mills.edu, mitchell@well.sf.ca.us
From: davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Rochester Bicycling Club century weekend
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:27:07 GMT
Distribution: wny
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


The Rochester Bicycling Club is having its annual century weekend Sept 19 &
20.  There are two centuries:

Sep 19: The Mendon Century.  9500 feet of climbing in the finger lakes,
Bristol hills area.  7AM at Mendon Ponds Park.

Sep 20: The Lyndonville Century.  Very level.  8AM at Island Cottage &
Edgemere, Greece.

No charge, no support, route is not marked.  Send me email if you want more
details.

al.
From: dilip@gaspar.cis.ufl.edu (Dilip Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Fall foilage biking: Vermont and New Hampshire
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:54:28 GMT
Organization: /cis/lightning1/dilip/.organization


     

     I have organized fall foilage bicycling weekends for the past 5-7
years, and this time was smart and reserved B&B rooms well in advance.
There are still some spots open, and I'd like to invite internet friends
who may be interested.  We bicycle at a pleasant pace, stopping to smell
all the flowers and museums.  We usually do 40-50 miles over the course
of a day, looping from a B&B.  Anyway, if people are interested, the
weekend of Oct. 16th will be Vermont and 23rd NH.  I'm probably going to
extend the NH to a long weekend and include Southern Maine.  After Sept.11,
please respond to "dilip@cs.unc.edu".


        Dilip
--
  Dilip Barman
  828 SW 50th Way
  Gainesville, Florida 32607
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead)
Subject: Full-service tours in Switzerland and France?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:17:46 GMT

Can anyone recommend operators of "full-service" bicycling tours of about
a week's duration anywhere near Geneva? (I'll be in Geneva and
would rather not fly to the starting point, though a day's train ride
would be ok). 
By "full-service" I mean providing all equipment,
lodging, route maps, sag wagons, and such. I'm a novice-intermediate
rider- ideal routes would be 30-50 miles a day, and I'm willing to
climb several hundred feet (but not several thousand?) on some days.
On the other hand, I'd like some time to poke around, and interesting
places to do so.

Reports of your experience with such tours would be ideal; any advice
at all relevant would be welcome. I'll post a digest of e-mail
responses, if any.

Thanks much
Jim Whitehead

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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Wanted: WA & OR Touring Info
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:30:55 GMT

Brian E. Cripe (bcripe@hpcvusc) writes:

> > I'm planning a 10-17 day bike camping trip to Washington and Oregon,
> > and I'd like to hear from other riders.  I'll be leaving from Seattle
> > on September 20.  Of the many sights--Mt. Rainier, Olympic Peninsula,
> > Oregon Coast, Crater Lake, others--which should I choose?  (Mountains
> > aren't a problem; I love to climb.)

The ride up to, around, and down from Crater Lake is one of the most
splendid and exhilarating rides I've ever done. I've ridden it slow and
ridden it fast, and it's terrific both ways. There is some ferocious
climbing getting up to the rim from either entrance, and lots of
up-and-down riding as you circle the lake. There isn't anything flat
anywhere. And, of course, the scenery is terrific.

Also, the roads west/southwest of Bend, OR, in the vicinity of Mt. Bachelor 
and Sunriver, are nice to ride on and surrounded by the best of the Oregon 
cascades. The Cascade Classic pro bike race uses these roads, among others.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: zeke@chiton.ucsd.edu (Rob Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Cycling Paradises, MTB
Summary: San Diego == MTB Country
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:49:57 GMT
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD

In article <88596@netnews.upenn.edu>, vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:
> 
> On my usual Sunday ride in the woods, I was talking to someone about how
> great it is to live in a city where there are great mountain biking trails
> (technical, fair climbs and decents, good cross-country trails), but still
> close enough to the city that you can get there with little hassle.
> ...
> I know this is a broad question, but where else can people ride like this?
> I was just in Austin, TX this summer and access to Barton Creek seemed to
> be pretty good with a number of "hike/bike" paths.  Unfortunately, Town
> Lake isn't nearly as easy to get to...
> 

The mesas and canyons of the San Diego metro area and 'burbs are pretty nice
for MTB riding.  I live about 7-8 miles north of downtown in a neighborhood
of tract homes, and I can start and finish a ride in the local canyons within
2 blocks of my house.  There are routes that I can take that will give me rides
from 30 minutes to all day long, with difficulty ranging from paved bike paths
to 45+ degree descents with elements of sand/mud/water (mud and water in season)
as you please.

There are numerous park areas of this sort within the San Diego metro area
(which is quite huge).  Most folks seldom have to ride a bike more than 10
minutes to get somewhere that they can ride offroad.

Within an hour and a bit drive from my house, I can be in mountain forests and
meadows at 5000 feet of altitude, riding in bright sunshine and cleaner air
on great single track.  Another 30-60 minutes east brings me to desert park,
with all the sand, rock, and cactus I can eat.

San Diego isn't that great for bike paths going from hither to yon, but then
again driving everywhere seems to be built into the southern California
psyche.  There is movement to create a network of dedicated bike paths, and
a mayoral candidate who is strongly in favor of such, but it will take time
and money (which no municipality in California has in great quantities these 
days).



Rob
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            Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: gunter@chirk.cs.ucla.edu (Michial Gunter)
Subject: Recommendations for Difficult Single-Track in L.A.
Organization: /global/us/edu/ucla/cs/ficus/users/gunter/.organization
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:37:53



I recently moved to Westwood from Berkeley.  I am looking for
technically difficult (some sections should be difficult on foot)
single-track trails in the L.A. area.  I am willing to go a ways for
good trails, but prefer something close to Westwood.  I welcome
information about trails which are not legally accessible to mountain
bikes (I will consider the damage I do by riding them.  Flames to
/dev/null.)  

Please send recommendations to me.  If the response warrants it, I
will summerize to the net.



		mike