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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: What took so damn long?
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:50:03 GMT

Reply-to: Hans.Falkeman@p0.f126.n203.z2.fidonet.org (Hans Falkeman)
Fido-To: romulus!ssf-sys.dhl.com!bdan

 * In a msg of Wednesday December 16 1992, romulus!ssf-sys.dhl.com!bdaniels writes to Skydive:

 rdc> Yes. Hi Falken. I used to be Skratch. Maybe I still am. I'm not sure.
 rdc> A lot of life has passed since Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Finland 1976.

Whoooooo... long time no see... Yes lot of life has passed. And it is only
me and "Simon" and Pelle that still skydiving  from that time.
You dont know but you left many idees about skydiving, and this was the
beginning of RW i Scandinavia. I never forget your visit here in Sweden.

 rdc>   (An aside: After the Freefall Exhibition Team in 1975 I got to
 rdc>   (travel quite a bit and help light the fires of enthusiasm.
 rdc>   (Scandanavia was one of the high points. Three months of non stop
 rdc>   (boogie. Even I was saturated after that and I have a pretty high
 rdc>   (capacity. EET stands for "Elden er tent" which is Norwegian for
 rdc>   ("The fire is lit". I still have the patch.

And now the EET family is 198 members, it is not inflation in EET...:-)
And i feb this year that was an EET- Boogie at Nasca in Peru.

 rdc> Recently I have been reading the net and feeling rusty brain cells
 rdc> creak into action. It's nice hanging out with the skydivers again. In
 rdc> fact a friend of mine, D Jan, just gave me the address of the
 rdc> Skydiving newsletter out of Deland and last night I subscribed to it.
 rdc> Maybe something is going on here. Maybe I better keep my job :-) :-)

Hope to met you some day, why not in Sweden!? Next year (-93) in june
it will be a Hercules Boogie. And I will get Ronny, Brje, Erik, Simon,
Pelle m fl... to come to meat you!

                      Regards / Falken EET#7

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From: mirk@nim.ctt.bellcore.com (Andy Mirkis)
Subject: How far is Sky Dive City from Tampa??
Keywords: Hmmmm
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:55:54 GMT

How far is Sky Dive City from Tampa??

I'll be down that way for the rest of the year and would like
to do some jumping (if I can get away from the family).  Are they
open during the week??  Thanks in advance for all info!!

-Mirk  A14944

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Andy Mirkis
Bell Communications Research
Piscataway, New Jersy
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Skydiving from Los Cruces
Summary: Belen is really your best shot
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:23:36 GMT

To the fellow from Cruces:

I didn't want to open my yap here until after I had talked with some frieds
from down in the Cruces area.  Basically they confirmed the impression that
I had had.  There is a small DZ in El Paso, Skysport Parachute Drop Zone,
7735 Boeing Drive, El Paso, TX 79925.  But the folks I talked to rather
strongly recommended driving up to Belen, at least through the initial
stages of your student career.  Skysport is a very small Cessna DZ, with
one owner/instructor/pilot and one or two other jumpmasters.  Aparently the
fellow that runs it is ex military, and a lot of the military attitude has
carried over into the operation of the DZ.  This isn't necessarily a bad
thing -- some people like it.  But be aware that this is only one way to
run a DZ, and there are other ways.  I'm told that skysport is static line
only, with a very occasional tandem.  Belen offers these, as well as AFF.
Belen has more modern student gear in a wider range of sizes, a larger
plane, and higher maximum jump altitude.

By comparison with Eloy, the Belen DZ is tiny and parochial.  By comparison
with Skysport, it's positively cosmopolitan.  Certainly it's possible to
learn at a single Cessna DZ, but I think there are better environments.
One single viewpoint on skydiving, no matter what it may be, is going to be
somewhat limiting.  A larger DZ with more instructors & experienced jumpers
enables you to find the right style of teaching appropriate to your own
personality.  Start at Belen, or start at Skysport, but do make the trek up
to Belen at least occasionally as you learn.  (And after you learn...,
you're at least as close to Eloy as most of us!)

Blue Skies,

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From: bhmd1464@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Help: hang-gliding info
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:39:40 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University


I am interested in hang-gliding.  I realize that this may not be the
right newsgroup, but I thought that a reader of this group might have the
info I need.  I would like to hang-glide but I have no idea where to go.
Does anyone have any info that could help me?

Brian Acosta
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Skydiving from Los Cruces
Organization: University of Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:42:43 GMT


Isn't the Pecos Parachute School down there by Las Cruces or El Paso?

Tim

:-)
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: s
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:36:11 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

>I just heard that everyone who has ever tried freestyle frapped last
weekend.
>Is it really true?

Bummer, the skies are clearer but a lot less pretty.

Bobby
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Freestyle camp
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:08:39 GMT

In article <1h5p6gINN7d6@lns572.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
  egyed@lns598.tn.cornell.edu (Zoltan Egyed) writes:
>Does anyone know about the next freestyle training camp?
>I've heard somewhere that Tamara may have another WTS camp
>in June, but I don't know how accurate that is.
>The previous one there was damn good. Anyone knows about it
>more accurately?

I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I have a related question: Can anyone
compare the training camps given by Mike Michigan and Tamara Koyn?  Just
based on the personalities of the people involved, I'd suspect that Mike
might teach more to the techniques and Tamara more to the philosophy, but I
certainly do not know this be true.  Can anyone add some data points?
Scott, didn't Mike make a trip down under a while ago and give some
workshops?  Do you have any comments on the style of teaching?

Now, if only Dale Stuart would give workshops!

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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Wind Tunnel Boogie
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:33:32 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

And when might this Wind Tunnel Boogie be happening at Pigeon Forge?

Thanx in advance for the date, and hopefully a phone number.

Bobby Magee
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Taking chances
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:29:40 GMT

Reply-to: Ed@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Ed)
Fido-To: hector mandel

HM> In a msg on <Dec 24 11:48>, Ed of 1:110/68.7 writes:
 
E> affordable.  I'm just not convinced yet.  Also, I struggle
E> with the thought of our sport becoming sterilized with gadgets
E> that remove the risks, which makes Skydiving exciting, &
E> allowing people who dont trust thier abilities and equipment
E> into the sport, making it more like a Carnival Ride.  Remove
E> the risks, and you remove the excitement, as well as a
E> closeness, & bonding of a breed of people who sometimes share
E> the edge with each other. Ever try to talk about Skydiving at
E> WUFFO party?   -Pull your own ripcord.
 
HM> Why don't you just drive around in your car or motorcycle with the
HM> brakes disabled?  It would be a lot less expensive way to excite
HM> yourself than jumping out of an airplane :):):)
 
HM> I disagree totally with your assertion that risk taking should be the
HM> primary motivation for skydiving.  That is not why most of us enjoy the
HM> sport.  Fortunately for the sport, the majority of jumpers are
HM> interested in MINIMIZING the risks in every aspect.  Our objective in
HM> displaying ourselves and our sport to WUFFO's should be to demonstrate
HM> that we are NOT a bunch of crazy macho dickhead thrill seekers.  I think
HM> most skydivers are intelligent human beings who have the ability to
HM> weigh risks and benefits and appreciate that skydiving is not about
HM> taking chances.
 
Dear Hector, I'm sorry you missed my point altogether.    I agree with
alot of your reply, in fact almost all of it.  But if you DON'T think
your in a high risk sport, perhaps you should take a reality pill.
and by the way, what do you think your adrenelin rush is a result of?
FEAR   -and why do you think your afraid?    Also, when I mentioned WHUFFOS
I was merely saying that most non-skydivers can't see the beauty of the sport, I dont believe I said ANYTHING about portraying our sport in any particular way, especially as you say "Crazy macho dickhead thrillseekers."
 
Relax Hector.                        Blue Skies, Ed 

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From: tfecp@fy.chalmers.se (Christian Preitschopf)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Russian skydiving addresses
Date: 26 Dec 92 20:25:12 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden

Does anyone know (maybe even e-mail) addresses of
Russian and in particular Moscow skydivers?
Please answer also to my e-mail address.

					Christian
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Music while jumping
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:27:22 GMT

I would take live Dead tapes along for the ride;
I've meant to do this, but I never think about it
in my rush to collect all my crap and hit the road
early.

tim


no, it's not a bad joke, live Dead is exactly what I would take.
maybe live Zeppelin.

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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Taking chances
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:22:29 GMT

Reply-to: Hector.Mandel@p0.f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Hector Mandel)
Fido-To: ric schwandt

In a msg on <Dec 31 23:45>, Ric Schwandt of 1:128/113 writes:

 RS> Hey Hector!

 RS> In a message to Ed <12/29/92> Hector Mandel Babbled:

HM>> In a msg on <Dec 28 15:29>, Ed of 1:110/68.7 writes:

HM>> HM>> I disagree totally with your assertion that risk taking
HM>> HM>> should be the primary motivation for skydiving.  That is 
HM>> HM>> not why most of us enjoy the sport.  Fortunately for the
HM>> HM>>  sport, the majority of jumpers are interested in 
HM>> HM>> MINIMIZING the risks in every aspect.  Our objective in 
HM>> HM>> displaying ourselves and our sport to WUFFO's should be 
HM>> HM>> to demonstrate that we are NOT a bunch of crazy macho 
HM>> HM>> dickhead thrill seekers.  I think most skydivers are 
HM>> HM>> intelligent human beings who have the ability to weigh 
HM>> HM>> risks and benefits and appreciate that skydiving is not 
HM>> HM>> about taking chances.

 RS> Hector,
 RS>  Cut the crap, I enjoyed the sport for the risk taking, low 
 RS> pulled and  ground rush did it for me.... I'm a very 
 RS> intelligent human being, and  knew what my limits where... 
 RS> Was a 600 foot pull good for me? several  times... Would a 
 RS> 600 foot pull be good for you ? Depending where your  ability 
 RS> and head was at... Was I a thrill seeker? you bet your sweet
 RS>  ass I was.... Call me a crazy dickhead thrill seeker.. You 
 RS> bet I was,  and still am...... I lived for the rush....

 RS>                                 -=Ric Schwandt=- D-1165, SCS-70

I'm really impressed, but a 600 ft low pull is definitely not a sign of intelligence.

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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Music while jumping
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:25:40 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Dec22.232722.2354@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude) writes:
>I would take live Dead tapes along for the ride;
>I've meant to do this, but I never think about it
>in my rush to collect all my crap and hit the road
>early.
>
>tim
>
>
>no, it's not a bad joke, live Dead is exactly what I would take.
>maybe live Zeppelin.

I'd go with Hendrix. Scuse me while I kiss the sky.
From: tuc@stormking.com (Scott J Ellentuch)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: rec.skydiving now on Internet
Date: 24 Dec 1992 13:46:55 -0600
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Hello all,

	I'd like to announce that I've taken the rec.skydiving newsgroup
and put it on a Unix ListServ.  Now, it will be available to the Internet
users.  Please spread the word.  To subscribe, send :

	SUBSCRIBE SKYDIVE-L (Your name)

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	LISTSERV@STORMKING.COM


	You can also set the listserv to digest the messages.  It will
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	If you have any comments or questions, please contact me at
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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:08:02 GMT
Subject: Eloy Fatality
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

I have an unconfirmed rumor that a a jumper went in at Eloy during the 
Christmas/New Year's Boogie.  I was told the jumper was a french-speaking 
female jumper, ~18-years-old, low number of jumps, no-pull.

Art Bori
D-11402
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Help: hang-gliding info
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:10:43 GMT

jim (wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec30.133940.1274@altair.selu.edu>,
: bhmd1464@altair.selu.edu wrote:
: > 
: > 
: > I am interested in hang-gliding.
: > Does anyone have any info that could help me?
: > Brian Acosta
: 
: The only place to learn to hang-glide (that I've heard of) is at 
: Nags Head, NC.  They glide off the dunes.  
: 
: If you're not local to 
: NC, try calling information in NC, get the number of a hang-gliding
: school there, and ask them where the national group's HQ is.

Kitty Hawk Kites
PO Box 340
Nags Head, NC  27959
919-441-4124

I did some hang gliding there several years ago off of Jockey's Ridge.
They seem like a good group way back then.
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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:51:26 GMT
Subject: Tom Piras
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

I just heard that on Saturday, 12 Dec. Tom Piras was killed.  I was
told that he was putting on an RW seminar down in Panama.  At some 
point during a dive, a canopy deployed underneath Tom and knocked
him unconscious.  (The deployment was apparently accidental.)  The
cameraman and another jumper gave chase but were unable to catch him.
The rumor is that Piras may have come to at ~200 and dumped his reserve
but obviously too late.

The other jumper is apparently OK.  It was a "very inexperienced" 
group of jumpers and I believe that it was an 8-way or so.

I was told that as the plane was climbing to altitude, Piras said something 
along the lines of if there was ever a jump that he should have his 
Cypress turned on, this was it.
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Freestyle camp
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:35:48 GMT

Reply-to: Ed@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Ed)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!rigel.tamu.edu

r> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes...
>>I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I have a related question: Can
>>compare the training camps given by Mike Michigan and Tamara Koyn?
Mary Haskett; r> I've been to seminars by both Tamara Koyn and Mike Michigan and at
r> Tamara's
r> seminar (it was one of her first, so they may have improved) the video
r> was
r> amazing and I learned alot from watching it, but she was unable to comm-
r> unicate effectively with the participants and was generally
r> inarticulate.
r> I left feeling that she was a very talented freestylist and I had gained
r> ideas of things to try, but my freestyle didn't improve.
 
DE; A while back, I noticed an ad for Tamara's training seminar and remember
being quite suprised. I've met, and watched her in the past- at best, my
assessment of Ms.Koyn would be insular,and odd. -She just dosent strike
me as one who would want to teach for the usual reasons.    On the
other hand, I've also met Dale Stuart, who is very approachable, and
willing to take you off to the side, and show you how to "Stick a Tee".
     .......Perhaps you just have to get to know Tamara?
 
             All the best to all for the holidays.  DE

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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: GETTING INVOLVED
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:36:04 GMT

Reply-to: Stephan.Thorsteinson@p0.f7050.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Stephan Thorsteinson)
Fido-To: all

I was just wondering....

        I am REALLY interested in going skydiving but I have a few questions about the sport.  First. Safety. Is there some kind of standard that the skydiving places have to abide by?  I know you dont here af many accidents but I want to be sure. Second.  Whats the overal cost.  Is it really a sport worth going into or should I just stick to bungy jumping.  Third.  Where can I participate in this wonderfully exciting sport. Thanx for your time and sorry if I sound like I am asking dumb questions.

                                Stephan Thorsteinson


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From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Subject: Re: tandem skysurfing
Reply-To: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Munich
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:35:04 GMT




	Well, to make life easier I'll be going to call
	Peter Schaefer, editor of Blue Sky, who's also an
	expert skysurfer. May be it will take some time 
	because most firms are are closed till beginning 
	of january here in germany.

	I guess that that they did the tandem just a few times
	in order to get the picture (snowboards are expensive ...,
	by the way how deep do you think are 'tandem snowboard 
	craters'  :-# ).
	Anyway on the photo the whole 'configuration' looks 	
	pretty stable, the lady is even smiling as she looks
	into the camera.			

					helmut
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Eloy Fatality
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 10:08:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.012156.5597@wdl.loral.com>
  WALKERK@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com ('Kent Walker') writes:
>In <6730181@hplsla.hp.com> artb@hplsla.hp.com writes:
>
>> I have an unconfirmed rumor that a a jumper went in at Eloy during the 
>> Christmas/New Year's Boogie.  I was told the jumper was a french-speaking 
>> female jumper, ~18-years-old, low number of jumps, no-pull.
>
>Consider the rumor confirmed.  Don't know about the age or number of jumps. 
>The woman was doing free-style while being photographed by Mike McGowan. 
>Mike's opening was reported as around 500'.

This sounds like a real shame!  RIP, whoever she may have been.  I'd really
like to hear more details, if anyone has them.  I must admit, this reminds
me a little of one my first jumps in front of a camera.  I think I had
maybe 60 jumps or so, and I did a B sequence, and then filled out the rest
of the jump with some basic freestyle.  I was in the middle of a flip
through when my camera man waved off and dumped!  People don't often think
of a camera as a new (potentially dangerous) addition to a dive but it
really is.  Especially when it's a novelty, the camera can be a *big*
distraction.  I think it's the worst for freestylists, as their maneuvers
are the most disorienting, they might feel especially obliged to geek the
camera since they're the only one in front of it, and there are only two
people in the air to keep track of the altitude.  In my case, we both
habitually dumped a little high, so I was under canopy at a perfectly safe
altitude.  I probably would have noticed pretty soon, but I *really* did
not like loosing even that much altitude awareness.  And while my cameraman
didn't think it was a problem, I felt really guilty about potentially
sucking him down.  I've only been caught by surprise by my audible twice,
and that was one of them.  I wonder if this effect was part of the Eloy
incident?  I wonder how Mike got sucked down to 500'?  That sounds almost
like an attempted save.  He's too good to have done that accidentally.
But if it's just a question of altitude awareness, I think the best thing
that the cameraman can do is dump, getting across the idea that *now* is
the time to deploy.

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