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From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs in Europe
Keywords: Shutzhund, Dog Food, Behavior
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:29:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Scott J. Bury writes:
>
>I just had the good fortune of spending some time in Germany and Austria,
>and I'd like to make some observations about the following:
>
>3) Dogs in public
>
>3) Dogs seem to go everywhere with their masters.   Bars, resturants, the park  
>and even hotels (50DM/night was common at most hotels I was at).  Big dogs and  
>little dogs, but all were very well behaved.  Of course the other people seemed  
>to ignore them.  The most amazing thing I saw was in Passau, Bavaria; A woman  
>just let her big Rottie off lead and he romped around in the very crowed park.  
>No one seemed to care. Here in Houston people would run away screaming. Of  
>course there was the Dobie sitting alertly in the Wurzburg resturant while his  
>masters ate dinner. Quite a sight.
>
>--scott


I was struck, when I was in England, by the fact that Harrods has a kennel
in the basement, where you can keep your dog while you shop.  Dogs do
seem to be generally accepted as members of society in Europe (I don't
think, though, they they have been allowed to vote on the Maastrict Treaty ;-)


Dave
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From: posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church)
Subject: Show Brag Update
Keywords: Show Brag
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:34:52 GMT


NORA THE NORFOLK HAS ANOTHER GREAT WEEKEND!

Nora (Churchwood's Stowe Away) was entered this past
weekend at Hatboro, Devon and Montgomery all in PA.  She
won her class all 3 days ...and at Devon on Saturday she
was Winners Bitch and BOW for a 5 point major!

At the all Terrier (Montgomery) show on Sunday she was
BOS in the Norfolk sweepstakes.

Guess going to all those matches is REALLY worth it!!
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From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Help with Golden Retriever
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:59:42 GMT


Four weeks ago my family got a beautiful neutered male golden retriever
from a local rescue.  The dog is wonderfully friendly and gentle but I
suspect he was knocked around, likely by a male, prior to coming to us.
I say this because he would cower whenever I would reach up to pet him 
or come near him with a leash.  Over the past few weeks he seems to have
realized we are not going to hit him so we don't see too much of this any 
more.  However, he is still very submissive and timid. Is this submissive
behavior indicative of a dog who has been abused or is this somewhat the
nature of the breed?  Also, what can be done to help this dog get over
being so scared, besides of course lots of TLC?

I apologize if these are questions covered in the FAQ, I am new to the
group.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Mike Thompson
unislc!miket
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: fritzz@bud.megatek.uucp (Friedrich Knauss)
Subject: Re: Signs you've gone to a bad veterinarian
Reply-To: megatek!fritzz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:34:37 GMT

In article <15837@borg.cs.unc.edu> crittend@currituck.cs.unc.edu (bac) writes:
>
>From Late Night with Letterman, 9/30/92
>	   Top Ten Signs You've Gone To A Bad Veterinarian
>.
>.
>.

A really bad sign:

I just found out yesterday that the person who wrote
this list shares the same vet I do...
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From: steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: CANIS, Cologne for dogs
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:20:56 MDT

In article <1992Sep28.214052.17979@c3177208.ssr.hp.com>, bill@ssr.hp.com (Bill Chidester) writes:
> 
> 
>   How many caught the CANIS commercial on Saturday Night Live?  I
>   laughed so hard I fell off the couch...
> 
> ---------------------
> Bill Chidester
> bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com
> 

I did!  What a beautiful Golden!

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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:23:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.113726.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.213105.16082@newshost.lanl.gov>, srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.121227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>> 
>> [stuff deleted]
>> 
>>>
>>>So anyway, once again I'm plugging Susan Conant's mysteries, in which the
>>>heroine not only solves murders, she tries to put obedience titles on her
>>>Malamutes.  I had no idea Northern breeds were so stubborn and hard to train
>>>until I started reading these books in which people with Goldens, Poodles, etc	
>>>are astonished by someone even trying to put a CDX on a Mal.  The antics of the
>>>dogs are pretty funny!  And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
>>>woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
>>>next show!
>> 
>> Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
>> name for my kennel???? :-)
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>Holly
>> 
>> -- 
>> ============================================================
>> Stephen R. Lee                 | 
>> OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
>> E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
>
>
>Ok - I feel properly idiotic now!  I guess when I started reading this series,
>your kennel name did take on added significance to me, and I sort of put the
>2 together.
>
>But is there a qualitative difference between a "woo woo" and an "ooo woo"? :-)
>
>
>Holly

Only to my ear, I suppose.  One night I was trying to think of a kennel name, when my 
lead dog came running into the room, stopped in front of me and went "ooo woo woo!"  Just 
like she has thousands of times before.  It is definitely an "ooo" sound without the 
"w" the first time.  Then it is "woo."  I thought that this would be a good name for my 
kennel.  OooWoo.  Actually, she does have different vocailzations depending on the 
circumstances and her mood.  This sound is her "scolding" sound (usually the mood she is
in :-) ).  There are different sounds for sledding, walks, hurry up and feed me, play 
with me, and so on.  The same is true for my other Sib and my Mal.  I can usually tell who 
it is and what they are "telling" me without looking. :-)

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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Cooling an overenthusiatic reception
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:27:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.150328.8648@mdd.comm.mot.com> bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.215345.6538@linus.mitre.org> pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.013651.16357@news.eng.convex.com>, oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann) writes:
>>> 
>Stuff deleted on jumping problem.
>>>

Lots of dogs regard a knee in the chest as a rough game, and come right back
for more.  I've found grabbing the paws and holding until the dog whines
(from wanting to get away, not from pain), then saying OFF! works better than
kneeing....  (One dog that I kneed figured out that I couldn't knee her from
the back....  :-)  )
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: mixed breeds in obedience shows
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:54:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ics.2ACC9B00.5324
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1992Oct1.173630.19251@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:


>As I understand it, only pure bred dogs, with papers, may enter in
>AKC obedience shows.

This is not completely correct.  Dogs with AKC ILP numbers may also
enter in these shows.  However, ILP numbers are awarded to dogs that
are known to be, or appear to be, purebred but for whatever reason
(rescue, etc) do not have their papers or have lost them.

>Is it also true that dogs entered in obedience
>shows may not be neutered?

No, dogs in AKC obedience trials may be neutered.

>If this is true, it's quite a shame for those of us who have
>wonderful dogs we've adopted from a pound (no papers, and definately
>neutered) who would love to compete in obedience shows.  Does anyone
>else feel this way?  I understand why the rules are in place for
>conformation, but not for obedience.  Could the AKC be petitioned to
>allow for a new "breed" to be recognized for obedience shows only?
>Something like, "All American Competitor?"  From some of these
>wonderful stories about obedience shows, I really feel like I'm
>missing out.

The AKC is not the only club that does obedience trials for dogs!  The
FAQ lists a few, but there are MANY out there that accept all kinds of
dogs.  In most cases, the trials themselves are structured pretty
similarly to AKC's.  There is no reason you can't enjoy obedience
competition if you have a dog.  You just might not be able to do it
with AKC.

--Cindy
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Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all nine parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves (Was: loose dogs)
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.141221.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <Bv3F9o.EEJ@well.sf.ca.us>, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>> 
>> My Akita is a descendant of the top Akita of all time (as, btw, are most
>> Akitas :-).  But I never say anything about her "having papers".  The only
>> time I get *really burned up*, though, is when people ask what kind of
>> MIX my dog is.  MIX?  MIX?  Then I get very arrogant and shake my head
>> slowly, letting them stew in their ignorant juices before I tell them
>> she's a *purebred* Akita.  <sniff>
>> 
>>   :-)
>
>
>I find a lot of people have to ask me what kind of dog I have (he's an Irish
>setter).  To me this is pretty encouraging, seeing as how 15 years ago or so
>most places were crawling with (often poorly-bred) Irish.  A lot of people
>today seem to think Tristan is some exotic Golden retriever!
>
>Another popular question is:  "Did you train him to walk like that?"  During
>his show days, he exhibited pretty nice reach and drive, and whenever he's
>trotting on a loose lead he still tends to do it.  I guess it's in-born, so I
>tell people he just walks funny naturally.
>
>A less serious question I've been asked twice in the last week by strangers at
>the park is:  "Is that a dog or a horse?"  No comment.  I guess since Kentucky	
>is Thoroughbred country, this remark can be excused?
>
>The funniest thing anyone ever said when I was walking Tristan on the
>flexi-leash was "That's quite a catch you reeled in with your Pocket
>Fisherman!" :-)
>

If I had a nickle for every time someone said "What a cute dog! What happened
to his tail (and/or legs)?" I could have used it to buy another Pembroke Corgi
bitch just like the first one.

And then there was the person who asked me if she was a dog as she did her
puppy waddle down the street.  "What else?" I asked, and was told she
looked like a bear.....

No one has EVER asked me if she was a mix, though, the question is always
"what kind of dog is that?".  She must just exude class....  ;-)
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: A problem with butterflies...
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:59:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Sorry about the misleading title, the butterflies are in my stomach: I've
finally taken the plunge and entered my dobie, Dante in what will be our very
very first obedience show! It's happening November 22...I'm not 100% sure if I
will get in 'cos it's limited to 7 hours judging time, but I will be starting
to polish his stuff today and over the next two months. I've only been in the
ring once before at a conformation match, but there weren't many people (or
dogs!) there and of course all I was asking him to do was look pretty and he
does that naturally with no help from me :)

If anybody has any advice for an absolute beginner, I'm all ears :)


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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Motivational Methods
Summary: bad students
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:07:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23759
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



(responding to two articles)
>Are you considering the possibility that it is the *student* who is
>to blame here rather than the instructor?  I've seen people that
>you can tell to make a correction until you are blue in the face
>but who simply refuse to do something so mean to little Fifi...

|I must add here that many people come to classes for an hour a week,
|obviously *never* work with the dog between classes, and wonder why
|Fifi isn't progressing.

|Charlie's point is well taken that often as not, much, if not all, of
|the blame lies with the student.

If we're talking about classes, then the fault is with the instructor.
The instructor teaches the students, not the dogs.

(The highest praise I've seen given to Dick Koehler [son of Wm.] is
``he's the best teacher of anything anywhere'' which refers to his
ability to teach obedience handlers, not dogs)

You have to explain training to people who are ALREADY MOTIVATED,
the came to the class because they WANTED TO, they paid for it
with REAL MONEY.

The instructor has to know about training, of course, and that's
the first problem.  Do you know that instructors are sometimes
a student from the previous class?

It helps a lot if your method works, too.  If you're misguided, as I feel
obedience instructors are, then the student justifiably concludes after
a short time that his dog is untrainable, because it isn't working
on his dog and be believes the instructor.

The people who are quickest to blame the student are an interesting
group, perhaps we can find a common thread.

It ought to ring alarm bells when we hear any phrase like
bad student or irresponsible owner.  Self righteousness
is the biggest cause of cruelty ever invented.  It's pretty
big in humane organizations.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 19:16:53 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Malamute story from Susan Conant
 <1992Oct1.213105.16082@newshost.lanl.gov>
 <1992Oct2.113726.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
 <1992Oct2.222309.23809@newshost.lanl.gov>

I loved the story Susan Conant tells in one of her
books of the trainer Holly Winter talking on the phone
one day.  Suddenly she realizes that her Malamute, Rowdy,
has been suspiciously quiet and she runs for it.
Upon arrival in her bedroom she sees a blissfully
happy dog, who is the picture of bright eyed and
busy tailed, waiting to see her reaction to the room
he's so helpfully decorated for her.


[pause.....  ]

because she was so negligent as to leave her sock
drawer open, he took each sock out and draped it
over something in the room.  Wish I could see
this!
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E-mail address is for Univ. of Illinois..... new ID appearing
soon...

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.123753.1027@linus.mitre.org> bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.193433.17919@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com writes:
>>
>>In article <1a9q57INN970@rodan.UU.NET>, lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner) writes:
>>>|I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
>>>|because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
>>>|she is just very independent.  So who is right?
>>>I have the same dog...do we share?? I am convinced that Sasha is not
>>>stupid, just TOO smart for her own good. I have had huskies in the
>>>past and it was my experience that until they are about five or six
>>>years old, they will do what you ask when they want to or ONLY if
>>>they feel dominated........
>>How sad, your dogs both suffer the same disorder as mine, Selective Hearing.
>>
>I'm curious about this.  It seems that many (most?) dogs, not just
>Huskies, act like this, including mine.  I wonder if any dog trainers
>would comment on whether these are examples of poorly or partially
>trained dogs (do your dogs act like this?), or if all dogs choose not
>to behave perfectly from time to time because this is their nature.
>
>
	Well, I have three labs.  Two I raised from puppyhood (well, one is
still a puppy) and one I rescued from the pound.  The two older ones are
poorly/partially trained.  They do NOT come when they are called.  As a
result of the fun experience of chasing these two through the neighborhood,
I trained the puppy to come when I call, every time I call, immediately
when I call every time and she is 100% reliable on this -- she knows that
I'll come get her if she doesn't.  

	So, big deal, what's the point.  I have two.  First off, sometimes
this behavior can be from poor/partial training, but I don't think you
could say that it is always from poor/partial training.

	Second point, there are a lot of things that you can teach a puppy
when it is quite young that will help it for the rest of its life, but one
of the most important things is to come when called and if you teach it
when it is young (I start this the day they come home), then you have a
better chance of having it stick into adult hood.

--lizalee

>


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From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:08:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Why not post pictures?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

In rec.pets.dogs, macheske@aero.org (Richard M. Macheske) writes:

    Everyone on this group seems to brag ALOT about their dogs, and
    rightly so.  Why don't you post a picture of your pride and joy.
    I'd really like to get some pictures of all the great dogs out 
    there in netland.  I have one ready of Casey if anyone want it.

    Rick

NO. DON"T POST HERE.

There are several groups that are reserved for posting pictures.
Some people don't want them, and pictures are BIG.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Raising dogs vs. children (was: East Bay Regional Parks...)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:44:25 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16731]: sparta


>>Likewise if a child is punished exactly the same for misbehaviors,
>>regardless of the kid's motivations and remorse, he or she learns that
>>punishment is a game with set rules.  Feeling bad or empathising with
>>the victim of a misbehavior is good for nothing.
>
>Wrong.  Young children (newly mobile up to around 3 years old) show
>basically the same behavioural motivations as dogs (in general).   For
>this age group punishment is a game with a set of rules. 

I hope this is not a widespread view throughout the dog-owning community.
Very young children are similar in some ways to dogs, but they are
developing in ways that no dog ever will.  For example, many beleive
that a child's personality and conscience develop when very young.  If
a child is rasied to be a stimulus-response machine, rather than
having his or her understanding of morality and proper behavior
developed, why would the child behave when there is no chance of
getting caught?  This is the mentality that leads to Ivan Boeskeys and
the like.

What works for a Golden may work for a 2 year old in the short term,
but this kind of "training" does not actively encourage the kind of
behavior we expect from people throughout their lives.

Damon-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: "Touring With Towser" Travel Guide
Keywords: invisible fence treats thank you
Date: 25 Sep 92 13:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: na
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <2AC22351.27313@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle
Moore) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.144324.21439@news.nd.edu> mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael
George Buening) writes:
>>I have also heard of a book
>>stricly listing hotel/motels that allow pets.  I don't know the exact
>>name of it yet though.  Thanks again and have a nice day :-).
>Cindy says:
>I would like the name of this book to put in the FAQ...

Here it is: '92-94 edition of "Touring With Towser", published by Quaker
Foods (Gaines, Ken-L Ration). Cost is $3.00 (bulk quantities
available for club fund-raisers). A 64-page directory of over 2000 hotels/
motels plus chains where "pets are welcomed with open arms." Send check or
money order to Quaker Profesional Services, "Touring With Towser", 585
Hawthorne Court, Galesburg IL 61401.

Have a nice trip!

Marget Johnson
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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: na
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children
	<1992Sep28.232632.12010@csc.canberra.edu.au>
	<1992Sep29.164916.1@stsci.edu> <BvD3I3.G1M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 08:36:16 -0500

In <BvD3I3.G1M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,  writes:
>
>7) Dogs don't talk back!

mine do.
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