HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:41:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


It is amazing how Mr.Tom Frauenhofer persists think in his own stubborn way 
when the logic in my argument is crystal-clear.
It makes me wonder whether he is posting just for the sake of posting.

It is not right for people to make sweeping generalizations...OF COURSE IT IS
NOT RIGHT! But we, being human, do it anyways because our perception of the
world comes from what we have seen and experienced. The media plays a major
role in molding this perception. Besides, I can not think of a better
starting point than first making a generalization and then go later to
investigate it. It is better and safer to think bad of other people than
later falling possibly victim to them.

I am not alone with this perception. Thousands of other people watching the
T.V. would have made the conclusion. But, I chose to investigate that
perception rather than keep it.
How MANY people would have chosen to re-examine that perception?
Not many. Yes, it is not good to make generalizations but nevertheless, it is
done by thousands of people around America. 
YOu can not blame them because, as I said before, YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE
WORLD STEMS FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED.

And if Mr. Tom Frauenhofer had read my previous article, he would have known 
that it is also the most scientific way to approach things; to trust
first and foremost your OBSERVATIONS before proving them.
That is why science is the opposite of religion where you have to trust
what you do not see or experience.

My point is:

It is human nature to do that and it is also the safest thing to do; making
generalizations from what you SEE.
Maybe Mr.Tom Frauenhofer choses not to use the scietific approach, that is
fine but I would appreciate it if he stops yelling and clubbering down
on me telling me what I should or should not believe in.

THe issue is not whether what I believe in is right, but whether
I am using the right approach to perceive the world.
If you have a better approach, tell me. But please stop confusing the issue.

An illustriation of my point;

Everyone saw the beating up of Rodney King.

Will most peole think:

"I don't know anything; all that I saw was this guy got beaten up by these 
white police guys; now this was what I saw and I believe the police did
use excessive violence"

or will they think:

" Sure, sure police beating up civilians? Of course not, Police are here to
protect us, not beat us up; I refuse to believe what I saw"

Which one of these thoughts will most peoiple have, of course
the second one.

So please, re-focus on the ISSUE.      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 00:17:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.213106.20324@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>But what's more funny is what the Chinese-cu idiots are demanding.
					      ^^^^^^
>This is popular among Chinese-cu twits.
				  ^^^^^
I think Mr Joe, being such a prolific and intelligent writer, can understand
that the language he is using serves only to irritate and infume readers.  It
only succeeds in giving readers a negative bias to what he writes, and 
distracts all netters from his main points.  Of course I do not rule out the
possiblity that he main purpose is to irritate and infume readers, rather than
carrying on a purposeful discussion.

>But the gov't of Japan that was responsible for condoning the atrocities
>of WWII no longer exists.  That gov't was removed by the Americans.

The war was fought under the "blessings" of the emperor of Japan.  The 
institution of the imperial family, and all that it represents, still exist
in Japan.  Why shouldn't this very institution apologise for what it has done?

To ask an apology from the "Chinese-ge government of S'pore" for infanticide of
China is ridiculous; it cannot be compared to the demand for an apology from
the imperial family, which still holds the most revered symbol of soveriegnty
of Japan as it did in WWII.  If anything, most Chinese-ge attest to the many
crimes committed by the Communist Party and the KuoMinTang, and of course we
hope that one day, an apology till come from them.  

We are here talking about crimes committed by governments on people.  We are 
not asking our Japanese friends to apologize for misdeeds committed by their
government 40 years ago, nor should you hate Chinese just because of mistakes
made in the ancient times by people remotely related to them.  But the emperor
of Japan should take up the responsibility of showing remorse for his 
government for it is that very symbol under which Japan waged war on Asia.  I
believe that in the long run, this will be good for relations between countries
of Asia.


Dennis Lee Yong Wee
Stanford University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Korean diplomatic relationship with Chian & Taiwan
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:24:55 GMT

I am posting this for some who can only read usenet.  Please repond in
public or email to him directly (his e-mail is shown below).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Chinese peopple.
As a Korean who loves Chinese culture and people, I want to let you know how
I feel things concerned with diplomatic situation among Korea, China, Taiwan.
I understand the relation between main land and taiwan because Korea has same
situation. Korea owed to Rep. of. China many things. If president Chiang did no
t recommend to liberate Korea, there is no Korea now. And Korea always called
R.O.C. bloody-friend.
However, Korea now want to make diplomatic relation with main land China. And
they want R.O.C. embassy out of country while main land sustain their relation
with North Korea. I do not think it is fair. I think Korea leaders are nuts.
We Korean want peaceful unification of two Korea, also two China. We want both
China not one friend and one enimy.
So I want make apolgies to people of R.O.C. Most of Korean people want R.O.C.
embassy in Seoul. And I hope Korean politicians make right decision.
If you make any comments, please send e-mail to me. Thank you for listening.
Terry Chul Rhee
e-mail : terry@ktrc.kotel.co.kr


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: For the Gossip Lovers... (And other mumbling)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.023809.13634@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:

>husband", Soon-Yi Farrow Previn, one of many Korean who were adopted in
>USA.  Does it have anything to do with s.c.k?  Well, other than the fact
>she has Korean heritage, and s.c.k. is about anything related to Korea....

Nice try, Andrew  :-)    I guess it's my turn.
Are you running out of video game agin, Daeshik ?  :)
Then rent this movie and have a good time for a couple of hours:

"Baek-Chi-Ae-In, Idiot Love(r)"   --- (*)

Though not excellent, $1-2 you would pay for it will be well spent.
Well, of course only my opinion.

(*) My first and last English teacher I had in the US told me 'lover' is
relation based on physical interaction and 'love' is the one not necessarily
so.  But many of the translation from Korean word 'Ae-In' is 'lover' even
though there is nothing physical going on.(Like in the song 'Seoul Seoul 
Seoul' by Cho Yong-Pil).   Is this my English teacher wrong or they are
just lousy translations ?

Peace,
-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: HANGUL.faq
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:11:05 GMT
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:46:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.Aug.19.14.46.47.1992.27341
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug19.131330.16829@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
> Then let Japanese apology to Korea first. Do you agree?

  No, I don't. I like China to apologize first.

> Have Korean got any apology from Japanese yet?

  No, but we have not gotten any from Chinese either.

> I can't hear you.....

  Can you read then.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3664 soc.culture.asian.american:8172 soc.culture.asean:5552
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: Kterm/Hanterm
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:07:01 GMT

In article <908@tdat.teradata.COM> syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com writes:
>
>Second, with hanterm, I was able to type in hangul but as soon as cursor
>advanced to next position, hangul that was typed in previous positon turned 
>into some other control characters and interpreted as such.  

   You have to execute 'stty pass8' not to break HANGUL. That's exactly what
happened to me when I began to use Hanterm.  
(Or on some machine where 'stty pass8' is not acceptable, there's an
equivalent one to that. I don't remember that. )

 As Hangul.faq says, you can direct your question on HANTERM to the
programmer of HANTERM, Song,JAekyung at KAIST(jksong@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr.)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:37:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.002550.2783@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Come on, Mr. Chua, we both know what you mean.  You don't like
>Japan's enlarging role as peacekeeper in the region, and you don't
>like Japan flexing it's military might overseas.  You think that Japan
>just might grab some land.			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>But what I'm saying is that's where you are wrong.  Japan is among the
>least likely of any nation in Asia to wield its military forces to
>injure another nation.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the heat of this argument, let me remind Mr Joe that Japan relies heavily
on other countries for its natural resources as Japan does not possess any.
Anyone can easily create a scenario whereby a revitalized Japan, perhaps with
too much military power to spare, might be tempted to "grap some land" for 
itself.  If Japan can use that as an excuse in WWII, I don't see why it can't
use the same excuse for the next war, should it happen.  You have not explained
why u said Japan is "least likely" to use force to injure another nation when
it has done so in WWII.

>As for your original posting, I read it a couple of times, in great
>disbelief.  Don't try to portray Japan and China as being on
>morally equivalent ground and that both have pluses and minuses.
>China is far worse.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't see why China is far worse.  A murderer is a murderer; someone who
kills 10 women is not better than one who murders 20 children.  What Mr Joe
refuses to acknowledge, and which Mr Chua has been trying to knock some sense
into, is the fact that Japan and China have both committed crimes against
human beings.  Mr Chua, most netters, most Chinese-ge and -cu, and myself,
recognises China's mistakes.  What Mr Joe does not seem to get hold of is that
Japan is just as bad as China, and there is no reason why Japan should not
apologise.  Mr Joe is venting his frustrations at the entire Chinese race, when
the crime is committed by only a handful of misguided Chinese leaders.  Does
Mr Joe want me, a Singaporean, to suffer his hatred and apologize to the world
for what the political figures of China did, just because I am a Chinese?  That
is bigotry, Mr Joe.

>You should admit that no land where there is a majority of Chinese-cu
>is there a democracy in the sense of the ideals of the Bill of
>Rights.  That includes Singapore.

Assuming that the Bill of Rights is an "ideal".

Dennis Lee Yong Wee
Stanford University
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:21 PDT
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Nf-ID: #R:netnews.upenn.edu:85891:cdp:1473700026:000:1698
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 13 06:21:00 1992


living in Korea for about 4 years, I felt more "violence" here, than i.e. in
Taiwan, where I stayed before. But I don't believe, that Koreans or Asians
are more or less "violent" than other people, as i.e. the history of my country
(Germany) showed - and the present time with lots of killing fields on too many
places in this world.

As for Korea, violence here probably is related to a feeling of helplessness
facing a hostile environment (in the recent history) and the incapability to
rely on laws and regulations - in a time, where even the leadership of
a country can brake the law  o p e n l y, i.e by not holding elections, as
required by law.

As for "the" Asians, there is a interesting book from Bo Yang, "The ugly
Chinamen", basically more a critizism on Confucianism and it consequences.
It isn't really a claim, that "Chinamen" are ugly, but a book from someone,
who feels sorry, what Chinese do to themselves.

Bo Yang's (Paek Yang in Korean) book exist in two pirated an non-authorized
copies in Korea. One third publisher then asked Bo Yang to produce an autho-
rized copy in Korea, however, some parts should be changed as they (due to
some similarities between Koreans and Chinese) could insult Korean readers.
Bo Yang did not agree to that, so the publisher now went ahead to publish
the book (now a third version!) unauthorized - and without payment to Bo Yang.

okBo Yang - by the way - lives in Taiwan, now in his own house after having
been imprisoned in Taiwan for 10 years. Besides being a writer, he also is
a gouvernment employee. Thats the Confucian way to compensate him without
face loss to the gouvernment :-)

Goetz Kluge
anlyyao@igc.apc.org
Seoul 1992/08/13
Korea

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hussien@circe.arc.nasa.gov (Bassam Hussien)
Subject: Re: msdos based korean wp
Reply-To: hussien@circe.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.171127.6123@cci632.cci.com>, tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:
|> In article <55448.22592518@kcbbs.gen.nz> Brendan_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Brendan Laing) writes:
|> >Hi,
|> >
|> >Could somebody please mail me details of an ftp site that has msdos 
|> >based Korean wordprocessor...
|> > 
|> >Thanks in advance...
|> > 
|> >See Ya
|> 
|> Me, too, please.
|> 
|> Thanks...
|> --
|> Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW, tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf
|> Mandlebratwurst: The Meal that Eats Itself!




me three !!!!!!!!!, please.


Dr. Bassam Hussien
MS. 210-9
NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035

hussien@circe.arc.nasa.gov
(415)-604-5439



Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3772 soc.culture.asian.american:8299 soc.culture.asean:5614
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:12:43 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug20.025107.28591@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp>, 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Hello, how are you ?) writes:
>
>   Chinese government, either Beijing or Taibei, had never asked an
> apology from Japanese. Only Korea's seems like the apologies from
  
  Have you read articles about Open letter to whatever?
  What do you think they are talking about?
  What are you, stupid idiot from Japan?
  Not matter if Chinese gov't doesn't ask for it, as long as mighty
  People feel that it is a must, then Japanese gov't better.

> other people, not only Japanese but also Chinese. A nationality who
> need otherperson's apology everyday will not be a devoloped, great
  
  Don't worry about development of Korea. We are still working on it.
  I think you guys better figure it out how to stay in the shape now.
  Looks like America is making hard on Japan to compete in most of
  market in U.S. How about E.C? 
  
> nationality forever.

  Again, your ignorance is getting my nerve. Open your eyes, look
  what the hell is going on outside. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
  
  "fuck you very much." by Michael Douglass in "Black Rain"

  See you next time around.

  Jung S. Lee				junglee@rucs-admin.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: KCIA
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.133939.12385@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <14AUG199203265457@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>>Dear Denny, (it's much better than GMT, Tong, Wong, etc.)
>
>I agree.  Hi, Denny.  :)

	Here, here, Denny's muchacha better...

>
>>BTW, Mr. Han N. Kim, what is KCIA?  I am on this net group only two weeks.
>>Would you tell me more about this?
>
>If I may answer this, KCIA stands for Korean Congregation of Individualists
>and Atheists.  Basically these are people will flame at any
>generalizations, any blind assumptions, and any fanaticism for anything.
>People like these keeps everything straight, and at the same time nothing
>gets done.  By the way, I am a member just because I fit the description.

	Strangely enough, I seem to have become a member even though I
am not an individualist and certainly not an atheist.  Time for a new
name, James?            

>James Choi


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | IRC nick: Idaho
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | You can find me sitting at my desk
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | drinking Earl Grey tea.
DECnet: lns62::thc                     | 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: For the Gossip Lovers... (And other mumbling)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:50:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.050107.12407@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:
[...]
>(*) My first and last English teacher I had in the US told me 'lover' is
>relation based on physical interaction and 'love' is the one not necessarily
>so.  But many of the translation from Korean word 'Ae-In' is 'lover' even
>though there is nothing physical going on.(Like in the song 'Seoul Seoul 
>Seoul' by Cho Yong-Pil).   Is this my English teacher wrong or they are
>just lousy translations ?

I think the teacher was correct.  The problem is that English lacks that
word 'ae-in' in its vocabulary.  The closest one that one can come up with
is boy/girl-friend.  Other Romance languages have two different words for
'ae-in' for (implied) platonic and physical relationship.  English also
lacks word for 'falling in love' that exists in single verb form in other
Romance languages.  (ex. Apaixonar in Portuguese and Spanish) (isn't it
beautiful?  it literally means to get-into-passion).

On the other hand, I cannot think of a proper translation for 'lover' in
Korean.  It seems like there is no word between boy/girl-friend and
mistress.  Maybe it reflects the society in which 'lover' did not exist (at
least officially) during the development of the language.

Incidentally, 'ai-jin' (which is the same character as ae-in) in Japanese
means lover/mistress.  'koi-bito' (which has the charater of 'yeon-in')
means 'ae-in' in Korean meaning. 

Why am I dwelling over these words in several languages?  Could it be
another DSB symptom?  Hmm...

>Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on

James Choi
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3712 soc.culture.taiwan:12093
From: morris@walet.physics.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: More compassion for GMTong
Keywords: compassion, reasoning
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:05:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Physics Department

Dear Mr.Rokho Kim

I really can not understand how you did not get  it that Denny DID 
mistakenly post his article to S.C.K.

I realised immediatley he pointed that out.

Are you that DUMB!!???


Also, I think your last posting was full of shit.

All you did was give a lot of insults, saying Mr.GMTong is a liar.
But you did not tell us what lie he told, and whether you have 
satisfactory prrof that he did.

If you want to correct his wrong views, please go ahead, but please
refrain from wrongly labelling others for lying.

I also think GMT do have a wrong view about Koreans, maybe from the T.V.
But I think his willingness to bring that view out must be praised.

I believe there are tens of thousands of others in U.S. who have similar views
about Koreans. So whatchya doing about that??
Isn't it cowardly just to focus your attack on GMtong alone??

I respect Gmtong's privacy; and I think everyone should also.
He is definitely not chinese since he does not have the Chinese mentality.
And no where did he say he was not Chinese, of race.

Please correct that, Mr.Rokho.


Let me tell you, mr.Rokho, I am a Scientist and I do believe
GMtong gave the right definition of science.

Whether you can use science to analyse culture or society is another issue
No one knows whether it can be done because no one has GENUINELY tried it.
(HITLER did not geniunely and SUBJECTIVELY tried that).
Whether it si right or wrong to do that is also another issue and by the way,
Who the hell are you to tell others what to do.

PLease do not disgrace yourself any more, mr.Rokho.

Morris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Cello String
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:49:14 GMT

In article <16085@pitt.UUCP> cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho) writes:
>While they were playing a peace, there came a sudden 'tick' sound, and 
>they stopped playing: the cello string was broken.
[..]
>Has anybody seen such happening at a concert?  I guess it's quite unusual.

I heard it happened to Midori (the promising young Japanese violinist) as
well.  If I remember correctly, it happened twice in one concert or a
contest.  Main thing I remember is how calmly she continued her
performance.

A question to string players.  If it was a guitar string, it takes HOURS
for the string to "settle" to tuning.  It continually stretches and
stretches.....  Is a cello string different?

James Choi
From: cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Chung's Trio Concert
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:14:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

Tonight(8/17), there was Chung's trio concert in Pusan.
Chung's trio consists of Myung-Hoon Chung(piano), Kyung-Hwa Chung(violin),
and Myung-Hwa Chung(Cello). Each of them are world-wide known in his/her
field.
While they were playing a peace, there came a sudden 'tick' sound, and 
they stopped playing: the cello string was broken.
I've been at concerts many times, but never seen such happening before.
For a moment, Myung-Hwa looked at a loss a little bit, but quickly gained 
her composure.
After replacing the string, they played again.
It was a pretty good concert.

Has anybody seen such happening at a concert?  I guess it's quite unusual.
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