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From: mpoutane@niksula.hut.fi (Matti Samuli Poutanen)
Subject: Re: America (Was Re:Perot)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:13:01 GMT


In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0kbg@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:



>It is this single idea of liberty, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness
>that has made America a shining beacon to the world. It is the idea that
>has been the fuel for the dynamo of industrial innovation, scientific
>breakthrough, and medical prowess that IS America. When people were being
>crushed under the Communist dictatorship in the Soviet Union, their only
>sliver of hope - the thing that kept them going - was the mere existence of
>America. The IDEA of America - of a place where people were free, happy,
>well fed and generous. The oppressed people of the world do not dream of
>escaping to Sweden...

In fact, many of them do. Many of them have escaped to Sweden, too.

>The ideas that American embodies have literally changed the course of human
>history. We Canadians would not have the luxurious life-style we lead if it
>were not for the close proximity to America's boundless economy. Most of
>the countries emerging from the horrors of totalitarian Communism are
>studying the American constitution for inspiration as they make their
>first, faltering step towards freedom. Countries like Germany, Japan, and
>Korea owe their great wealth, sense of life, and economic growth soley to
								^^^^^^^^
you mean solely (this is not a flame).

>America and the ideas that were fostered there.

Will you not give the people of these countries any credit whatsoever?
Your views are so extreme that it's very hard not to start laughing when reading
your posts. 

>That the world is a freer, more peaceful, and more well fed now than at any
>other time in human history is due soley to the existance, and influence of
>America. All other countries pale in comparison to the wealth, freedom and
>greatness of this land.

Oh please... get a grip on yourself! With all the right-wing religious 
looneys you have there, America is becoming a very scary place. Remember
what your president said about atheists? Its one thing to wave a flag and
shout about how wonderfull the constitution is, and another to act in its
spirit. I'm talking about such virtues as tolerance, openmindnessness.....

>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>-
>Telepro!james_hastings-trew@access.usask.ca
>"[Democratic philosphy consists of] the idea of running your paycheck
>through the salad shooter and dumping the shreds on the compost heap of
>good intentions." -P.J. O'Rourke in Bill Clinton, The Rolling Stone
>Interview

O'Rourke often manages to be quite funny, though his cynisism is  a bit
tiring.



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Dept. of Physics		   ---------------------------------------
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Finland, Europe			    Soon you'll have afros and big dicks."
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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:50:36 GMT

lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Paul Nosek) writes:

>	LAMERS!!! They were struggling with a cheap pd program because they
>could not afford the commercial wares. You had to write in each point by hand!

>done commercial gfx before, and we both mentioned how imagine was wonderful
>and cheap for the Amiga.

>	LAMERS!!! They said - well, nobody has any Amiga's here.

>	LAMERS!!! They want to code an imagine like interface FROM SCRATCH.

>	I say good luck to the IBMer's trying to compete with us.

I heard somewhere that Impulse is going to release a PC version of Imagine.
Sort of makes your skin crawl, but they could sell heaps more copies, and a 
bunch of 486/50's would be good for rendering, even if you can't record direct
off one.  So you would still need an amiga, or an  expensive standards
convertor card for one.  Anyone care to substantiate this?

And no, I don't like PC's, and I do own an A3000.  But everyone is entitled
to their own opinion.  :-)

--
copes@cs.curtin.edu.au
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:48:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>In <1992Sep10.055018.13209@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>>> SGI Crimson ?

>This one uses an R4000 (I believe with 33MHz).

	It's a 50MHz R4000. ObAdvocacy: why can't Commodore
be like SGI?  Why can't Commodore be run by an engineer
like SGI?

--Andre

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Andre Yew                             andrey@tybalt.caltech.edu (131.215.48.100)
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:47:32 GMT
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Sep9.154243.23044@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>>
>>The original PC/MSDOS was, pure and simple, an inferior machine.
>>The severe machine limitations (640K, no multitasking, etc.) were
>>so blatent that IBM could only have planned those bits of obsolescence.
>>
>This is insane.  The PC arrived at a time when the typical mainstream
>personal computer had a 64K RAM limitation and a file system that didn't
>support subdirectories.

From the configuration viewpoint the PC/XT was friendlier to the user than
the PC/AT.  All add-on cards, other than serial ports, had a BIOS chip. There
was no CMOS setup needed.

Of course you still had to worry about IRQ, etc.

>OS/2 is not yet compatible with Win3.1-specific programs, but will be with
>the next (free) update.  And yes, IMHO OS/2 is very much endangered by Win/NT.
>Check out comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy for a nice comparison of OS/2 2.0 and
>the pre-beta Win/NT.

A friend of mine has seen pre-beta Win/NT at work.  He said he didn't see
anything remarkable, but he also commented that it is probably bloated with
debugging code, and so it is hard to make a comparison to OS/2.

It has been rumored that the price of NT would be in the $500 range.  Has
this changed?  It seems to me that OS/2 is evolving, and that deficiencies
will be fixed.  I understand that X-11 and TCP/IP for OS/2 work quite well.


--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.042447.1678@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.221655.9853@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
>>Actually, it is 8 bits per pixel, but the 256 base colors can held
>>and modified, hence the name.
>
>Not quite.  HAM uses 2 bits to select either a new base or a modification 
>or R, G, or B.  So, with 8 bit HAM, you only get 64 base colours, and only 
>6 bits of RGB can be specified (in one hit).

I now realize the error that I made and thank you for a polite correction.
A little too much beer on Saturday night made things a bit fuzzy on Sunday
morning.  :-)

>>This allows for the simulation of 18 bit color without actually increasing 
>>the amount of storage required.
>
>Correct.  18=3x6.  If the new HAM used 10 bits, we could have 256 base 
>colours and a 24-bit palette.

The A4000 that we have been beta-testing has a 10bit HAM mode, but it
looks like that mode is not supported in the final release.  :-)

>>With the new SuperHAM available at resolutions up to 1280 horizontally, 
>>I expect the images to be nothing short of spectacular.
>
>Once we have the software to drive it.  Supposedly, TAD already does, in 
>it's current release.  Anyone want to write a PD alternative?  We'll need 
>new GIF and JPEG viewers, and IFF viewers too.

It is true that you can set ADPro to SuperHires and HAM8, but I don't 
know if it will work.

>>Just a few more days...
>
>These machines, or at least AA, had better appear after all this build-up!

One of my co-workers and fellow Amiga enthusiast is very disillusioned by
the way C= has handled things and doesn't think that anything is going to
happen.  After the ridiculous A3000T/040 price, he figures the A4000 will
be in the $5000-$10000 price range.  I'm a bit more optimistic, but then
again I'm also crazy.  :-)

>David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
>Computer Systems Officer, QDPI    | Fax      : +61 70 92 3593
>Mareeba, Australia                | Voice    : +61 70 92 1555

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 10:24:15 EST
From: <JLKARAU@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
 <1992Sep12.071832.16158@news.iastate.edu> <u894776.716429582@bruny>
 <35112@cbmvax.commodore.com>

In article <35112@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave
Haynie) says:
>
>In article <u894776.716429582@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James
>McCoull) writes:
>
>>Hmm... I've been doing solid realtime window drags on my 1987
>>Archimedes in 256 colour mode for quite some time now...
>
>Well, the A4000's display does slow down some in 256 color mode at higher
>bandwidths, but I can assure you, none of the modes will cause a window drag
>to last five years.

1992 - 1987 = 5.  hmmm ;)
>--
>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
> "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
>             "We're not hitchhiking anymore, we're riding" -Ren Hoek
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re: Robinson Follow Up Article
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 20:50:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Any indication as to whether or not he was aware of the A3000 or 2.0?

Yes, but he indicated it didn't materially change his position on the
Amiga and Commodore

>I'm sure many people may sympathize with his elements of constructive
>criticism in the areas of hardware upgrades, marketing etc., but what
>I found particularly offensive was the effort he took to belittle
>the mentality of existing users. Most of us are equally knowlegeable
>about alternative architectures and software bases. But the
>'mushroom in the dark' condescension was entirely abrasive.


Really? I didn't get that impression at all.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:19:47 GMT

danaf@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>Whatever happened to that Sony buyout? We'd have had a ((REAL)) company to
>support the machine, and Sony monitors as standard equipment to boot! <DROOL>

	Sony, support??!!?  Ha, ha, ha.  You must be joking.  It's
almost as bad as Commodore's.  For people who doubt Commodore
is a real company, it's been reported that Commodore has over
$1e9 of revenue a year.  SGI has the same.  I'll just mention
Blackjack Indigo, Indigo, GL integration into X, and Reality
Engine, and you can draw your own conclusions.

--Andre

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmm...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:43:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.054900.22917@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep6.010744.2669@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
|> >There is an interesting tidbit in the latest AW contained within
|> >the article "Small Talk: The New Amiga 600 Revealed" (p. 44-45).
|> >
|> >On page 45, in a discussion of the PCMIA connector, the author mentions
|> >that Commodore will introduce a 386 PC emulator that fits into the
|> >A601 slot. 
|> >
|> >Any comments?
|> 
|>    Sounds like Commodore's management is just sick and tired of being
|> repeatedly upstaged by small Amiga hardware developers, such as the
|> makers of the ATonce and PowerPC.  I think that one of these companies 
|> will probably have their PC emulator ported to the A600 for the A601
|> slot long before tortoise Commodore finally gets theirs to the market,
|> so the issue is irrelevant.
|> 

Uh-oh. Forgive me for what I am about to do...

<small voice>... I agree with Marc.

((AIIIII!!!))

I think Commodore is trying to get their peripherals division, so long left
in the dirt by great companies like GVP, back on track. I also think this is
a hopeless goal, and if Commodore thinks they can beat everyone to the punch
by changing the slot configuration and building all of their own peripherals
first, they're going to end up alienating a lot of people. GVP will have a new
version of their A500 expansion setup ready the day after the release of the 
A500. And the new A600 expansion will ALREADY have an IBM/PC emulator.. GVP's
own snap-in minicard, which is already selling for the A500 box. Commodore had
better come up with some real revolutions, not tired attempts to reclaim the
market.

|> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> > = Mark Rickan                         ...!uunet!utai!utgpu!maccs!rickan = 
|> > = DCSS, McMaster University               rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca = 
|> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
|> 
|> ---
|> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: $800.00!!! For a Cookie?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:35:27 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <64737@cup.portal.com> DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta) writes:
>
>Of course you realize for Nabisco to win they must prove that the possibility
>of consumer confusion exists.  Which means someone has to walk into a store
>to buy a $2.95 bag of fig-filled cookies and through confusing product naming
>leave the store with an $800.00 Personal Digital Assistant.  

This shouldn't be too hard.  All they have to do is illustrate how the
$2.95 bag of cookies is more productive for computing.
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 12 Sep 92 10:03:48 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep11.014131.12935@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
> In article <jbickers.0fgi@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

> >    Furthermore, you export an amazing amount of cultural trash with
> >    your fundamentalist missionaries! I've been watching a program

> Aren't there Fundies in New Zealand?

    Yes. You guys even push your barrows here. McDonalds and Coke are
    nice, but why do they have to be accompanied by the Church of
    Blah...? :)

> First of all, *I* will not be held responsible for stupid things Catholic

    (a) I wasn't saying that *you* were responsible.

    (b) What he was saying wasn't stupid, it was true. That's life in
    areas of stress.

> priests say.  Secondly, there is far less oppresion now in Nicaraugua

    With Bush as president there seems to be (now) a lot less shit-
    level interference in other countries. This is just how it looks
    to one person who doesn't follow the news very closely.

> Yes, Christians are LOUSY at economics.  With the US government, for example,
> people actually have a chance to vote in politcians who won't raise taxes.
> With the Church, you are pressured by the Word of your Creator or pay
> taxes (tithes) to the Church. Heh heh.

    Gross generalisations that seem to miss the point of what I was
    saying.

> Best for me.  How do N.Z. Amiga prices compare with US or European 
> prices, eh? EH?  See?

    Heh. Not much different, I believe. Basically, we can mail order
    direct from the US or Europe (mostly England).

> Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:05:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.151621.11682@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>>
>>>I use Windows and Unix.
>>
>>Windows does not get around the 640k barrier.
>>
>
>Yes, it does.  Please get informed, Philip.  Maybe that way you won't post
>any more lies.

Try using language other than lying. It is rather upsetting. I don't call
bank switching getting around the 640k barrier. You can't address, in a
linear fashion, 16megs with Windows and you very well know it. You might as 
well say that LIM4.0 gets around the 640k barrier. Please try to give a
reasonable explanation about how Windows gets around the 640k barrier. 
Several people here would like to know. By here, I mean our systems' people.
>
>>
>>As far as Windows goes, let's just stick to one nice program. It can open
>>up several 640k sessions, but I don't see it breaking the 640k barrrier
>>unless you count its use of virtual memory.
>>
>
>Windows applications run in protected mode, where the 640K limit does not
>apply.  A Windows application's code and/or data may be larger than 640K.

Fine. Does it use 64k bank switching or not? I'd really suggest you get
in touch with a whole lot of vendors who would love to have your secrets.
I won't accuse you of lying, but I suspect you are withholding information
in order to make Windows appear to be something it is not.

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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:41:24 GMT

>
>It seems to have surfaced briefly at an AmiExpo, and disappeared just as
>quickly, never to be seen again.  For vaporware it's generated almost as
>much net.bandwidth as the fabled Anti-Aircraft chipset.  The status quo
>still is, for super-high Workbench resolution, DMI or bust.

	But you cannot run your workbench unless you have RTG/DIG
and even then you will not have pull down screens (Although that's
my uneducated guess). No software supports it yet. And even less will now.
Why buy a product when you have it's offerings in the current HW.
The bottom of the range board offers AGA capabilities much slower
and not video compatible. THe high end cost so much (Including the
DMI monitor) that the only ones that would buy it would rather go
fo an expensive GFX workstation. They few that will, will not 
creat a big enough market for the software .



>
>Glenn Doiron
>--
	GEorge

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC - A4000 - sunga rattef
Date: 11 Sep 1992 12:54:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Summary: Prices

[I wrote]
>Well, I'm sure the net is going to bombarded with similar messages
>describing the new A4000, but what the hell! :)

>The A4000 config sheet list the following machine:
>A4000 040/120
>6 megs ram
>3.5" 1.76 meg high density floppy
>120 meg IDE HD
>94 key keyboard
>2 button mouse
>AmigaDOS 3.0

Whoops, forgot the important part - price ;)  C= lists the above
system + C=1960 monitor at est. retail of $4500.

Creative Computers is preselling the A4000 for $2999, without monitor.

C= rep said we will get A4000's at the end of the month if they ship
by boat, and the end of the week if they ship by plane..

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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:01:49 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>In article <25799@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>> The A4000 has a PCMIA interface.  C= are shortly to release a CD-ROM
>> drive for the A600 which will connect via the PCMIA interface. 

>Oh, so now it's IDE and PCMCIA instead of SCSI. How much does TWO interfaces
>cost? The A600 having IDE and PCMCIA didn't bother me much, 'cos there ARE
>lots of cheap low-end IDE drives and surely CBM wouldn't put it in their high
>end machines. It should have...

I only posted due to the number of people  who seem to think that
no SCSI = no CD-ROM.  I myself would greatly prefer a SCSI port to an 
IDE port, particulary if the modular design means that the same
motherboard will form the basis of lower end machines.
However - reports from the show did seem to indicate that C= may yet
include a SCSI port, though this is unlikely to appear in early
production models as I hope will the improved sound/dsp chip.

>I should have guessed it was the camel's nose...

Umm...  Come again?

>And what about tape?

SCSI will be made available on a card for those who need it.  Admittedly
C=s' logic in releasing the A4000 without SCSI is somewhat strange.
My own personal view (flame fodder if you will :-) is that the A4000 as
shown was not the finished model C= intended it to be, but was released
sooner than intended as a show of force from C= and as a symbol of their
commitment to the Amiga.

Had C= waited for the DSP and SCSI the launch would have been
considerably delayed.  In the meantime Atari launch the Falcon, Windows
continues gaining support and Apple go from strength to strength.  With
luck will see the A4000 upgraded early next year, which ought to help
silence some of its critics.

	Mark

>-- 
>Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
> `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
>  'U`  
-- 
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? In the forest that we call imagination,          ? marks@castle.ed.ac.uk ?
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