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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (the trek witch)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:04:19 GMT

In <1992Apr13.213425.4075@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>Sheesh.  Looks like it was a hell of a weekend to go offline.  :-)

>goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin) writes:

>>Nope, its not that I refuse, its just that arguing from logic (something I
>>try not to do) you and others have based this opinion on almost 100% pure
>>speculation.  The *only* thing I remember ever hearing about Kirk's
>>academy days was the KM test.  You and others are trying to predict
>>(hum, not the right word, but it will do) Kirk's personality in
>>the Academy based upon how you see him 15 years after the academy.  For
>>all you know he might have been a studious totally serious student
>>who spent all hist time trying to be number one in his class.  After he
>>made it he went on from there.

>That is a possibility, sure.  I find the evidence concerning the KM test to
>be the clearest signs we have to his personality, however, and easily the
>most relevant to the *particular* parallels to Locarno under discussion.
>(Remember, Ben, I don't think anyone has been arguing Kirk is as venal as
>Locarno or deserved to be tossed out of the academy...)

How about "Shore Leave"?  Kirk describes himself as a total
stick-in-the-mud.  Perhaps this was before command school, which is
when you'd get the KM...

On the other hand, previous TNG episodes, including TFD, have
established Picard as a possible trouble-maker (the artificial heart,
Boothby's help...).  Besides, I think TFD was clearly drawing
parallels between Picard and Crusher...we get Picard giving what seems
to be similar advice that he got from Boothby, for example.


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From: taube@oregon.uoregon.edu (Christian Taube)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: those things on their belts
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:25:25 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1992Apr13.160401.6179@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cglover@lonestar.utsa.edu (Calvin G. Glover) writes:
>    i was watching an old episode of st.tng with my young niece the other
>    day and as we were watching an away team beam down to some planet my
>    niece turned to me and said, "uncle calvin, why are those men wearing
>    dustbusters on their clothes?"

Oh of course! I've been using my dustbuster as a phaser for
four months now, and tell you what, it works just wonderful
(sometimes). Problem is that it's somewhat detrimental to your
social relations if you keep attacking your visitors with
buzzing dustbusters, yelling "SET PHASERS ON MAXIMUM STUN, WORF!"
There. It's easy. :-)

Christian.
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Lwaxana and computer
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:52:50 GMT

Followups set to r.a.s.misc, as I've no idea why this was in r.a.s.c in the
first place.  :-)

dkrause@miami.acs.uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.143540.913@news.larc.nasa.gov> ray@nmsb.larc.nasa.gov writes:

>#I just got done watching 'Half a Life' and noticed that the computer's voice
>#was not heard for the entire episode.  Can anyone confirm if this is typical
>#of all the Lwaxana episodes (i.e. Lwaxana or computer, not both)?

>In one episode (I wish I knew the titles as well as I know TOS) they
>showed Lwaxana asking the computer where the holodeck was.

Yep.  "Manhunt" was the show, and they missed the chance for a great in-joke
by having Lwaxana compliment the computer on its lovely voice...:-)

Tim Lynch
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: the outcast from a queer perspective
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:19:25 GMT

In article <262-JNEWS-1.2@smylex.UUCP> jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee) writes:
>In article <29E0ECCC.4027@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>
>> Why can't we just see some gay people holding hands in the corridor or
>> something?
>
>Well, there WAS a crewman in a miniskirt in "Encounter at Farpoint"...  :-)
>

If this newsgroup is (were) received in Scotland, you'd better get on
your asbestos undies . . .

Awaiting,
Janis C.


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From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
Subject: Re: First Duty ramblings (Spoilers)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:42:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I mentioned my thoughts about Starfleet's location in an earlier article but
I'd like to comment on yours, if I may. Golden Gate Bridge is not visible at
ALL from most of Golden Gate Park because there's too many hills, The
Presidio, etc. in the line of sight. From on-screen evidence in "The First
Duty" I would have to say that the Academy is located in The Presidio.

Now, as for Starfleet HQ, there's a lot more ambiguity. In TMP, a very good
case can be made for HQ being in The Marina or The Presidio as above. In
TVH, it is very obvious that the control installation is located in the
Marin Headlands, and this is confirmed in TUC -- there is one night scene
that clearly shows a large structure on the Marin Headlands in the location
of the current lighthouse/radar station.

The Presidio is the most logical overall choice, as it is a large area of
land that has historically been used for limited functions. It will probably
be converted to a park now that the army has decommissioned it. The Marina
has a little soil problem (liquefaction) that was made most obvious during
the Loma Prieta earthquake. One would think that Starfleet would see to the
necessary engineering to correct this, but then again, ya never know.

By the way, in the San Francisco white pages, there is a listing for the
following:

Kirk, James T Capt
 
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The First Duty"
Keywords: TNG, Wesley, Academy
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:27:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.214814.28913@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>>>Let me tell you a little story.
>>>
>>>You recall my mistake about the author of "Violations"?  He/she confessed to 
>>>me once the game was up, but could very easily have continued to develop
>>>bizarre scenarios about how he/she was set up or being lied about.  Had that
>>>happened, the connection would have been cut.  Severed.  End of tale.
>>>
>>>Maybe that makes me unforgiving; but betrayal does not sit lightly with me.
>>>Nor, I suspect, does it with Picard.
>
>>Just how good a friend was he?  
>
>I have two answers for this.  The first is "good enough that I'm probably 
>getting a wedding invitation in the mail soon."
>
>The second is that it's neither relevant to the discussion nor any of your
>damned business, to be frank.  If you're going to start claiming that people
>only sever all ties when it's "shallow" friendships, then we're not going to
>remain civil long.

Chill *out*, man. I thought it was a highly relevant question. And even
if it's something you want to keep private, it's hardly a question that
merited such a caustic response. People can have different ideas on 
forgiveness; that's no reason to stop being civil.

Sometimes, I honestly wonder why people call your style "non-confrontational."


>>And would you have severed all relations to
>>your *son*, if he had done the same?  Remember, that is the relationship they
>>have.
>
>No...I remember that that's the relationship YOU claim they have.  Saying 
>someone is *like* a son is far from saying "this is my son".  

Uh, you said yourself "Wes, and his two surrogate fathers (Locarno and 
Picard)." I think "*like* a son" and "is a son" are, for all practical 
purposes, equivalent. Unless you're thinking of some fundamental difference 
other than the biological one, the analogy sounds quite apt.


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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: What did Picard do?  (minor TFD spoiler)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr05.212358.13177@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>   It was also quite convenient that Troi was missing.  This is always
>the problem with having a Betazoid.  I mean they could have had a full
>Betazoid there.  Obviously, this presents no problem with Starfleet
>and the right to privacy since Picard mentioned having a full Betazoid
>for superintendent.   Of course, this would have ruined the story so
>they really had to keep Troi out of this episode.

Not really... she never does anything useful... "He's hiding something, 
Captain!" wouldn't really have told them much.


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From: Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Spoilers** Cause & Effect New goof
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:39:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr03.224422.44851@cs.cmu.edu> mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>Nothing can enter or exit the loop space physically (except decyons), as 
>Geordi's diagram shows.  Beacons cannot get in, but it will appear as if they
>can, since old beacon information of the affected 18 hours is recreated
>inside loop at the same distance it was from the Ent. to begin with in loop 1.
>

I'm sorry, you lost me on this last point.  Could you please explain
this a little more clearly?  

As far as the decyon message they sent...Would you say they sent this
message aimed towards the beginning of where they thought/knew the loop
began?  Are they actually sending a message in a physical direction?  

Mike


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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: _Disinherited_ opinions (Re: New TOS Book ... info)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.142455.27238@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes:
>
>>Just after Wesley signs off his communications with Kirk on the...
>            ^^^^^^
>	       WHAT??????
>
>	Has the little weasel gone through a time warp or 
>	something?  Please tell me it isn't so.

Commodore Bob Wesley, commanding the USS Lexington, appeared in TOS's 
THE ULTIMATE COMPUTER, as leader of the strike force in the wargames.

Unlike Crusher, Commodore Wesley is a competent officer, as good as Kirk.
-- 
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   thieves and murderers. This will be a good life... good enough."
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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: Why 3 in "Cause and Effect?"
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:28:37 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>>Why didn't Data choose the "obvious" and send a message of "Riker"?!
>>Same number of characters as "three", after all, and a lot less ambiguious!

>R I K E R . 
>
>3
>
>Same number of characters? :)

Or worse:

01010010 01001001 01001011 01000101 01010010 == ASCII rep. of "RIKER"

11 == Binary value of 3.

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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: RE: Re: Need ST: TNG info, please Help
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:40:39 GMT

In article <-534089001@cpl-mfh.UUCP>, fritzw@cpl-mfh.UUCP (Fritz Wonnacott) writes:
> ***
> *** In article <1992Apr8.192316.2606@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
> *** 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> ***
>>    S.O.S.T.  Need information concerning Deep Space 9.
>>I have heard rumors of this show and cancellation of STNG, please give
>>confirmations on this.  Would greatly appreciate information on this
> 
> 
> NOT!  Star Trek: TNG is scheduled to go at least until Season 7, then a 
> possible movie series.

Could you post where your information is from?  From what I've read (note: I
don't remember where, so this is definitely _not_ for-sure-correct) ST:TNG _is_
only going to last for one more season (#6) and then start Deep Space Nine. 
But if someone has more recent information (and with at least some support,
unlike me or you) please post it.  I realize that this thread has been covered
before, so I mean _new_ information, or _definite_ (which doesn't really exist
in referance to Star Trek, but very definite, at least)
contradiction/confirmation of above.  If so, please post.

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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why not down ?
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:18:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spool.1992Apr12.041803.12242
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr10.210627.361@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
[Presumably talking about "Cause And Effect":]
>How come the Enterprise - D crew never thought to go down instead of to the
>side. Space is not restricted to sideways manuevers, so this constand
>moving to the side is odd.

>I have only ever seen this done in TWoK, when the Enterprise and Reliant
>are going at it.

>Think of it, the Big-E goes down, the Boseman misses the ship clear and eay
>the first time....

I don't understand what you mean.  The ship's drive engines were not working,
so it COULDN'T move down.  Or up.  Or sideways.  Am I missing something?

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From: me308lab@ux.acs.umn.edu (Mechanical Eng consultant)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:53:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr14.005324.11469
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr13.153703.22800@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.035223.12273@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>>He and Ro are character foils at the moment,
>>until the writers decide to make them something else.  Yeah, Ro's a cliche,
>
>"Something else?" Like fuel?
>
>Maybe Alexander could be sold to the Romulans as a sex toy...
>

Hmmm... This whole Alexander flamefest is degenerating...

I KNOW!  alt.irritating.klingon.progeny.dead.dead.dead!

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From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" **SPOILERS**
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:11:59 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr7.143356.21673@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> vendwrt@iddsupp5.austin.ibm.com (Vendor Writer Guest Login) writes:
>Yes, I too am tired of all the Wesley Crusher bashing. Big deal if he is
>highly intelligent. It is just a reflection of our society whereby
>people cannot accept others on their merits or abilities. That they are
>judged purely by an unknowen. Or, they are judged by those whom are
>envious, and cannot achive, or do, or have the education to attempt "X".
>

[don't have the attributions -- sorry]

>> >     Could somebody please tell me why people are compelled to beat
>> >     this character to death (and worst of all, the actor who plays
>> >     him) when there are so many more productive things we can do
>> >     with our time?
>> >

I've said it before, but I think it's true, so I'll repeat it -- those
of you who have heard it, don't try putting your hands over your ears.
I'll just yell louder.

Wesley is:

- early college age and has been late high school age

- a little socially unsure of himself

- WAAAAAAAAAAY too smart for his own good

In a nutshell, you have just described a lot of the male fans of ST who
are likely to be on the net; you have also just described the past of a
lot of older male fans.  These guys have been shoved into a lot of gym
lockers in their day, and are scares sh*tless of being "identified with"
Wesley.  They are afraid that they are being laughed at, and to "prove"
that this is not so, they laugh loudest of all.

The only thing that will make them stop is for Wesly to get laid hard
and often; then they'll *want* to claim him.  I'm not being deliberately
cynical, I'm just calling 'em as I see 'em.

As to why some of them bash *Wil*, I can't say.  Just goes along the
lines of people that used to write to Marcus Welby for medical advice, I
suppose.  Some people just can't separate the character from the actor.
Some of the are also likely so worried about being identified with the
CHARACTER that this fear bleeds over into Wheaton and they get carried
away, hating him too.

Sounds good.

Regards,
Janis C.

P.S.: This would also explain why so many FEMALE fans think Wesley is
okay.  We are not threatened by being so similar to the character,
although some of us have also been pret-ty serious geeks in OUR day,
too.

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From: cfbdb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Brett Bensley)
Subject: Re: Picard remembers Starburst (minor TFD spoiler)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 02:55:13 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <3kpj2!k.lllowen@netcom.com> lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
>I do agree that it might be a SF legend, but the hearing committee should
>have figured out that's what they were attempting IF it were a "legend."

I would assume that since Picard said it was band at the Academy, that it
was not banded at other activities and organizations.  Take old fashion
"barnstorming," it was band at many flight school, etc., but was popular
at air shows.  Just because it may not be used at Starfleet Academy,
doesn't mean he would not remember it being used elsewhere in his life.

Just My Opinion,

Brett Bensley

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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Why did the Glass Break! Cause and Effect
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:40:08 GMT

In article <k987iB1w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US>, pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
> vendwrt@iddsupp5.austin.ibm.com (Vendor Writer Guest Login) writes:
> 
>> O.K. O.K> Alright, enough! Yes heavy equipment IS moved around. But, did
>> you ever notice something called an anti-grav unit on board?
> 
> On board the NCC-1701-D?  No, I can't say that I ever did.  How about
> you?  Can you name one episode of ST:TNG in which an anti-grav unit is
> used, or even mentioned?

 Well, actually, in the first episode with Barlcay (It is the first one, isn't
it, with the leaking chemical?  In the other one he takes over the computer.)
the chemical from a biological storage canister of some kind causes a
malfunction in an "anti-grav unit" which is clearly shown.  I *thought* I saw 
one in another episode as well, but that may just be my imagination.
But Barcaly definitely worked on one.

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:10:29 GMT

Followups set to r.a.s.misc.

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>If that's the case, then he faced death in the simulation three times.

No.  He took the simulation three times.  

>How can you say he refused to take advantage of what they were offering
>him?  He took advantage of it three times!

Faced death and acknowledged that the no-win scenario is "a possibility
every captain must face"?

>Then he said, "Enough is enough!  I'm going to beat this *$#*% thing!!!"
				   -----------------------------------

See?  I don't think he acknowledged the validity of a no-win scenario if
his reaction was "f*** it, I'm going to find a way to beat it."  He took the
test three times; he learned nothing.

Tim Lynch