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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek:TNG Final Episode
Keywords: final episode Star Trek Next Generation
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:44:36 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct14.031251.24864@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:
<The Question is:
<
<As rumored, will Star Trek:The Next Generation be terminated by Paramount
<Pictures after December to make way for Star Trek:Deep Space Nine, or will 
<it run concurrently with the new series for a few episodes/seasons?

Bad rumor.  ST:TNG will be a full 26 new episodes this season.  ST:DSN will
run concurrent for the remainder of the 6th season.
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From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Relics (no spoilers)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:40:26 GMT

Satellite..???  How in the hell are you seeing a newepisode almost
a week before anyone else??  I want it!!
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names of episodes
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <16876D895.ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU> ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Sally Webster) writes:
<Where do you people find the names of the ST:TNG episodes?  I watch
<carefully every week and almost never see an episode name.

First off, we know the names of the episodes even before they air :-)

Obviously you haven't been watching very well.  I can only assume that you
have seen the credits listing the guest stars, etc.  Well, the title is the
first this shown on the screen after the first commercial break.  It has never
failed to be displayed.
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From: ARL00SJB@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
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Subject: RELICS:An Opinion (could be spoilers)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:20:48 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte


 
Yes, there *are* spoilers ahead.
 
 
Turn back now!
 
 
You've been warned.
 
 
I've read some of the objections to this episode, and I suppose that
I can see some validity to things such as, How did they beam them
through the shielding, and How did they know the Enterprise was OK,
and Why didn't Scotty start up the ship 75 years ago.  For my part,
I can postulate answers to those questions such that they don't
bother me.  What I mostly felt while watching this episode was - anyone
who doesn't shed at least one tear during its course hasn't a heart
in his/her entire body and/or has allowed the fever for pointing to
flaws and picking things apart to separate him/herself from the pleasure
of experiencing Star Trek.  One thing that the show has been able to do
(with more rather than less success) is to tell a *human* story, and
this episode was very much a human story.  That pain of loss and aching
void of purposelessness that Scotty was going through was so poignant.
Perhaps it is only that one needs to be past the youthful conviction
that one is going to live forever to appreciate those things - as shown
by Geordie's initial reaction to Scotty's burning desire to be of help
in the situation and his resulting lack of understanding toward Scotty's
nostalgic ruminations.
 
In short, I was moved by the episode, and I liked it *very much*.
 
--Jean
From: fraser@cisco.com (Sean Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Relic" Indeed!
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:18:25 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
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Morning all,
 	   I must say i almost fell asleep watching the episode of TNG with scotty in it.  I think they could have come up with a better story line than that to present someone who was an original member of the show than that rush job!  I think Paramount should give up the idea of bringing back the original cast for guest appearances for it doesn't come off very well.   

PS- I also noted a irony in the plot.  I thought they couldn't transport personnel when the shields of the other vessel were functioning.  Yet that's exactly what they did.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:-)


						Frase Man
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: lynch's spoiler revie
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:50 EST

Subject: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Man of the People"

>WARNING:  The following post contains spoilers regarding this week's TNG
>offering, "Man of the People".  Those not wishing to be exposed to spoiler
>elements prematurely are advised to keep clear.

>Ecch.


>--The climax was harsh; every bit as harsh as it deserved to be.  I found
>that particularly effective.

You did?  I felt it was completely TERRIBLE how Worf just stood there
and WATCHED Alkar die!  Unbelievably cruel.  He could have at least had
him transported directly to sick bay where they might be able to revive
him.

>Bits of the scenes featuring Troi, in fact, made the show downright
>*unpleasant* to watch at times.  Her scream of abandonment after Alkar leaves
>had me sorely tempted to go back to grading the papers I had in front of me,
>and her attempt to seduce Alkar had me wondering if anybody actually talks
>that way.  (Certainly no one I know does.)

I felt the same way even when I saw the promo for "Man of the People"
the week before.  That and Alkars surprised face as he drops the rock...
But the promo looked much better than the episode, especially with the
new music.  Looking back at the promo, the secne which made me think
that this episode would be good was Troi's graying scene in Ten-Forward,
where she wears an extremely revealing dress.  Just the shot of her
standing showed that she looked like a real b*tch in this episode,
something that turned out pretty well I felt.

Her scene of anger with Alkar after she tries to seduce him was good,
and the look of "Oh boy, I like em young and fresh" in the turbolift
with the young Ensign were well done.

>Anyway, enough about that.  On to the plot, such as it was.  Two words come
>to mind:  "predictable" and "dishonest".

No, I don't think it was that predictable.  At the beginning I thought
Alkar KNEW her mother was dying and SOMEHOW needed her, so he faked an
attack so that he could be transported onto a highly populated vessel,
and then chose Troi.  At first I thought he used the rocks to get women,
and the side effect would be rapid aging and then death but that turned
out to be wrong to.  I got that idea after the blue energy was
transfered between rocks, because he seemed to almost be having an
orgasm with his sigh of relief and flow of pleasantries...


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INTERNET: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Subject: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Relics"
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.003129.10781@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>*Spoilers*
>

>Bullseye.
>
>
>
>- Now, if I got chills when Scotty walked onto the bridge, you can

Me too.

>imagine what happened to me when Captain Jean-Luc Picard walked on
>to the bridge of the *original* Enterprise.  

I said out loud - "Get off the bridge!"

Having Picard on the original Enterprise's bridge would be like
putting George McGovern in charge of the D-Day operation of WWII.

Don't get me wrong, I like TNG, but in my mind, it's almost like
TOS really happened and the TNG are just some nice made up stories.

I agree with the rest of your comments.  Great show.

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: PAD's dire nudity predictions come true
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:20:43 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>Also, maybe I missed something (actually, I know I did--I missed the first 
>half hour of that episode).  Troi was in a slinky outfit, all right, but
>I don't think they had her nude, did they?

    I just saw it Sunday, and while she definately has on some revealing
outfits, she does not appear nude in any of the scenes. Although there
is a scene where it is higly obvious that she is not wearing a bra under
what is basically a white see-through dress/neglige. Very revealing in
deed.


--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
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From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: "Yes, Ma'am." (was: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People")
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:25:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.042749.26116@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>
>>I don't know if this was important or not, but Ensign W&A addressing Troi
>>as "Ma'am" struck me as weird.  I thought all people -- male and female
>>
>>Just asking.
>
>Didn't she end up commanding in some episode where she was the senior officer
>on the bridge and everyone else was cut off?

"Disaster"

>
>But you're right -- I thought everyone was "Sir" and "Mr." as in "Mr. Saavik"
>of STII:TWOK

Maybe - and God forbid that somebody accepts a reasonable, non contrived
explanation - maybe the character just screwed up. He meant to say "Sir"
but he was flustered and used a phrase from his upbringing, "Ma'am".


Nahh. Too simple.


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     Since then, they've been trying to correct their mistake.
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Relics : Yet Another Opinion
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:48:04 GMT


  Yes, yet another opinion on this episode.

  Not a high ranking episode in my book.  It wasn't bad, god knows there are
some _really_ bad episodes out there, but this episode was just above average.

  First : A warning.  I'm not so hot on the old series, and I really don't
care if characters show up in the new series or what, so I'm slightly biased.

  I won't mention all the gaps in the story line, and some stupid moves on
part of the bridge crew, those have been mentioned already.

  My viewing friend and I quickly tired of all the "gender gap" shticks and
conflicts.  After just a few minutes, it was obvious that Scotty was going to
be a pain in the butt with his desires to spin tales of old and stuff like
that.  I was reminded of Dana Carvey's SNL character, "Grumpy Old Man" : "We
didn't have any of this fancy new-dangled tech-nol-ogee!  We were stupid, and
we _liked_ it!"

  Call me a heretic, but I'm getting tired of this character recyling.  Let
old dogs lie and start spending some time and money on decent story lines.
We also need someone to pay better attention to continuity.  It's like Relics
had an entire scene chopped out.  (Near the end, you know where.)

  One barely related note: Counselor Clevage, er I mean Troi, had a BIG part in
this episode.  We weren't even sure if that was Sitiris (sp?) at the end in her
big 10 second part, until she spoke.  It's a shame she wasn't in this episode,
for we didn't get her to do her now famous, "I sense the obvious."  I never
used to bash on Troi, but you have to be real blind to ignore the fact that we
see the shot of Troi with the "sense the obvious" look on her face in almost
every episode.  Argh...

  I'm looking forward to Q, and to "A Fistful of Datas."  Does Clint have an
upcoming cameo?  :)  That would be sehr kool.  (Sure, Clint on TNG, when pigs
fly and when Paramount decides to spend money...)

|--------------------------------|    "If you were happy all of your life,
|      J. Taggart Gorman Jr.     |     you wouldn't be human - you'd be a
| jtgorman@caslon.cs.arizona.edu |     game show host."
|--------------------------------|             Winona Ryder, in _Heathers_
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ack!! (Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals)
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:34:48 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Bw7HKD.KIr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell) writes:
>In article <98747@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>>
>>(Of course I'm referring to `A Piece of the Action' which is one of
>>the most well-liked of TOS.)
>
>Maybe for you, but not for me.

It's not one of my favorite episodes, but it's one that frequently
makes the top ten list in polls.  It certainly made the top 10 in
the 25th anniversary marathon (hosted by Shatner&Nimoy), last
year.  This was based on a telephone poll, too, so it doesn't
have the r.a.s.* biases built into it ;-).



-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Locutus "entymology"
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:38:40 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Gee, are the Borg somehow related to insects?  Is that why there
is an "entymology" of Locutus?  It's _etymology_ when referring
to the derivation of words.  Entymology is the study of insects.
I suppose the Borg could be considered a hive....   :-)

Anyway, IMHO Locutus is derived from loqui, the latin word meaning
"to speak."  Locutus = speaker.  All Latin, no Gaul.  Patrick
Stewart just fits the Roman profile  :-)  Must be some Romano-British 
genes at work there.   Besides, no matter what people say about 
Picard surrendering all the time, I just don't think "mouse" fits.

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Date: 11 Oct 1992 21:20:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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>Ep    Date      PC   Stardate     Title
>----  --------  ---  -----------  -----------------------------------------
>127.  09/19/92  227  46001.3      Time's Arrow II

Comment:  the only reason I read ras.c is to
 pick up this broadcast list and the similar
 ones (with plot blurbs).

Question: why aren't these posted regularly to
 ras.info?
-- 
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From: ech002@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Sixth Season Reply
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:18:41 GMT

I like ST:TNG. I like it a lot. But just as I don't like every
restaurant I might go to, I don't like every episode. And, just
as I enjoy reading restaurant reviews, or discussing restaurants
with friends, I enjoy reading the discussions about episodes, good
and bad, posted here.
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Steve Cole  (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve)
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305

	I would have to agree with Steve.  There are numerous episodes that I
now skip watching because they were so bad and there are episodes that I can't
wait to see again.  As for this season, I really have not enjoyed any of this
seasons episodes.  So far, each episode has had a choppy story line perhaps due
to editing or the writers trying to squeeze too much into an hour show.  I am
looking forward to Scotty's appearance.  
	No season is perfect and no season has been totally bad.  All we can
hope and demand is that the good episodes out weigh the bad ones.
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From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: _Man of the People_ Question (Possible SPOILER ALERT)
Summary: Episode question STTNG
Keywords: _Man of the People_
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:29:08 GMT
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

A psychological question has bothered me since seeing
the Man of the People episode on STTNG:

In each of Alkar's 'hosts' for his negative emotions
there appears a severe jealousy toward any other
attachments he might make.

What psychological disorder does this manifest?  It is
the only interesting element I can think of in an
otherwise dismal program.

The only trait that comes to mind is narcissism.

If this question has already been raised, I plead guilty to not 
having read every word on this episode.  :-)
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Transporters...suicide?
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:43:37 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Oct7.233332.27232@ichips.intel.com> smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
>
>BTW in the last TNG, we were shown what is like from the view of the person 
>being transported so the death by transporter argument is over....your 
>conscience [sic] stays intact during the whole process...

Or does it?  Just before you lose sight of the  place you're being 
transported from, it looks as if you view winks out.  If your
consciousness is destroyed, then would have you any time perception?
Would you know how long you've been winked out?

Spoiler Ahead........... for Relics..............








If Scotty were trapped in transit for 75 years in a transporter, and he
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From: rob7673@cuphub.cup.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:08:36 GMT
Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA

In article <1992Oct09.112206.26170@watson.ibm.com>, annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu>, johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
> |> 	Question 1:
> |> 	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
> |> in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
> |> that he was dead, as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
> |> up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?
> 
> In that later episode, Dr. Soong mentions that he had escaped before
> the crystalline entity destroyed the planet.
> 
> |> 
> |> 	Question 2:
> |> 	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
> |> on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
> |> was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
> |> story as to why they killed her off?
> |> 
> 
> I had heard that they killed Tashs off becuase Denise Crosby wanted
> to have time for her film career.  So far I've seen her in two movies -
> for about 5 minutes in the beginning of Skin Deep, and then in something
> where she was a cop - the part I saw was pretty stupid.
> 
Don't forget about Pet Semetary.  I've tried, but it's just not working! :)

Amy (.sig currently under construction)
> -- 
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>      "Die."
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From: spainhou@cs.scarolina.edu (Keith Spainhour)
Subject: Re: The Trouble with ST: TNG
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  7 Oct 92 03:42:07 GMT

andy@awds.imsd.contel.com (Andy Moskoff) writes:



>I've had it with the b.s. techno-babble on Star Trek. For those that haven't
>seen the episode "Realm of Fear", watch it carefully. Then decide for yourself
>if you can follow the technical garbage that clearly doesn't make any sense.
>For me, I don't give a damn about the micro details of the physics, and as
>a matter of fact, it *RUINS* the story because it overshadows the plot. The
>writers are becoming almost contemptous of the audience! Why don't they get
>out of the psuedo-ivory tower and start writing episodes that have more
>philosphical meanings NOT try to show how much they know about ST physics.
>I want a STORY damn it! Something that entertains me! And the stunt at the
>end of the episode is totally assinine. Why is it part of the show? It certainlydid NOT entertain me. It was a cheap thrill for the writers. For me the
>"Realm of Fear" was in the realm of stupidity.


>-Andy M.

	I find the so-called "techno-babble" both interesting and entertaining.
When you look into the future and see the new technology that could possibly 
exist it is more enjoyable and realistic to have new language to describe
that technology. :-).
	I do admit that sometimes they go overboard but on the whole I
think it adds to the story.  By the way, "Realm of Fear" had a great story,
ending, and special effects.  I believe it was our first look from inside
the transporter beam.

Overall Grade for Realm of Fear:  B+

Maximus
		(Apollo was astonished, Dionysis thought me mad)

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From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: Re: Relics *Spoilers*
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.201818.2115@axis.dsg.ti.com> rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com writes:
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>In all though, a great show.  I think they missed the opportunity to
>bring more of the TOS cast members back with cameo appearances while
>they were on the holodeck.  I kept on waiting for the computer to
>display Uhura, Checkov, Sulu, etc...  It would've been GREAT!
>

That's EXACTLY what I was waiting for! That would have made my day.

Jean

>Regards,
>Ron
>
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