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From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: INSURANCE RATES?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:15:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Steven J Flynn (sflynn@krusty.ee.udel.edu) wrote:

: Just to annoy everyone, I'm with State Farm. I have a 92 Stealth Twin
: Turbo (300hp).  I'm 27, no tickets, AAA Defensive Driving Course, $1,000,000
: umbrella policy and I pay $137/month = $1644 per year.  

How much is your umbrella policy in DE?  I'm only paying about $94/yr (or
is it 6 mo?  I'll have to check) here in Idaho.

Wes Fujii
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Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:23:40 EST
From: <RBPJ4H@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject:    300ZX Owners

     Do you have a late model 300ZX... 90', 91', 92', or 93? Would you like to
start a 300ZX Car Club? Would you like to correspond with other ZX owners about
the thrills of being an owner of the best working mans sports car in the world?
Reply to this message and I will post the results and let you know how many
300ZX owners we have on this board!
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rain-X?
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:53:42 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <C1Iyny.5Ds@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>Does this product really work?
>
>If so, are their any side-effects, or consequences?
>

since my husband hates wipers (our 33 roadster doesn't even have them)
he uses rain-x all the time - it works great except in really heavy
rain - even he had to turn on the wipers during the storms this winter

>


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bisc@zellweger.ch (Thomas K. Bischoff)
Subject: Lexus SC 400 price
Reply-To: bisc@zellweger.CH (Thomas K. Bischoff)
Organization: Zellweger Uster AG, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:49:10 GMT


What is the street price of a new Lexus SC 400 in the USA or Canada.

This car is not available here in switzerland and I would like to import
one .
-- 
Thomas K. Bischoff    Net: bit@ten.ch,bisc@zellweger.ch 
***** Minds, like parachutes, only function when open.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Taurus now #1 seller?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:18:08 GMT

In article <74095@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>Ford has recently been running a new Taurus television ad campaign
>(at least here in SoCal they have) and now claim that Taurus is
>"the #1 selling automobile in the USA."
>
>When did Taurus sales surpass Honda Accord? 
>Just curious.
>
>Harv
>('90 Taurus Wagon owner :)

Harv - you missed a thread on this right after the 1st - during December
Taurus & Accord were neck & neck for first, then Ford put on a big promo
to shove past Accord and won (in fact of the top 10 selling cars in the
US, 5 of them were fords - the ford truck was also #1 in sales)
Sharen (89 Taurus wagon owner)

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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Best Car ads (was RE: Lexus Commercials)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:37:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.032452.266@mprgate.mpr.ca>
tasallot@mprgate.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes:

>Ever noticed that the Honda commercials seem real peaceful.  The music
>is mellow, the lighting is moderate and the salesman speaks in a soft
>easy tone.

>On the other hand, the Ford and GM commercials seem to come out loud,
>It's as if they have to put on an epic to sell a car.  A REAL TURN-OFF.

Sure. What do you make of those 100 dB "Toyota Sell-A-Thon" commercials
complete with "Hey East, how many ya sellin' today" bullshit like this is
a live show?

The volume of commercials makes me respect the car better. Snicker.

	-Kenny

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From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car)
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:33:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous

Everyone seems to be missing a few really basic points in this discussion
of
our trade imbalance.  First: population and productivity.  Japan has a
comparatively small population and high productivity.  USA has a high
population and lower productivity.  So long as we can't produce all that
we want to consume, someone (Japanese or otherwise) is going to have a big
trade imbalance with us.  

A second point is about population itself.  Even if we and the Japanese do
lower all trade barriers (real and imagined) we'll still have a trade
imbalance with them.  The Japanese market (for cars, or anything) just
isn't
as big as ours.  Couple this with the high housing costs in Japan, which 
severely limits the disposable income there, and you'll find the market 
prospects very poor indeed.

The USA needs to get to work fixing our own problems, not pointing fingers
at imaginary bad guys.



Steve Wall

         "We have met the enemy, and they are us"  - Pogo
From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: advice wanted on auto brokers
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:19:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.usc.edu


I am thinking of buying a Saturn SL, but would like to get a price better than
sticker.  I saw an ad in the yellow pages for an auto broker so I
called him.  He claimed that he could hook me up with a dealer and get me
the lowest price possible without haggling -- for the low, low fee of $125.  He
also guarantees that the price will be $125 or more below sticker.  

Does anybody have any experience with auto brokers?  Is there anything I
should watch out for?  Do they sound too good to be true?




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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wildbill@wam.umd.edu (William Edward Kyte)
Subject: RE: Japanese will never die!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:59:04 GMT

   I have an '84 Toyota pickup and that engine is still in great shape.
I agree with anyone who says that japanese car will never die because
I don't know if mine ever will and I hope it doesn't. The only problem that I
have had with my engine in 9 years was a bad altinator. Well now that the truck
is about to hit 200,000 miles I believe that that is damn good for any car or
truck engine. And with in that 200,000, I have not had to change the clutch once
So far this truck has been hit by two deer, side swiped once, and has been rear 
ended twice, and the only part on the body of the truck has been replaced has
been the bed.
  After the new bed was put on the truck was painted and lowered and now has
been turned into a show truck and when summer rolls around and the weather gets
warmer it will start being entered into shows.
  This is just another testamonially that japanese car will never die.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bisc@zellweger.ch (Thomas K. Bischoff)
Subject: Lexus SC 400 price
Keywords: Japan car
Reply-To: bisc@zellweger.CH (Thomas K. Bischoff)
Organization: Zellweger Uster AG, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:42:43 GMT


Could somebody tell me the price of a new Lexus SC 400 in the US.
This model is not available in switzerland and am thinking about importing
one myself.

Please email.

	Thanks

BTW. Is this a good car ? Any opinions welcome.

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***** Minds, like parachutes, only function when open.
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Problems
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1993Jan20.180419.22407@engage.pko.dec.com>, 
sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) writes:
> Forget the court.  You must (should) have read about Philip Greenspan (??)
> of MIT and his battle with Ford on the net.  If I were in your shoes 
> (actually, at one time, I was),  I would take on the $50 offer and get the 
damn
> thing fixed.


Believe me, Greenspan's problems are foremost in my mind.  I took them up
on the offer, and three days later (I picked it up last night), I have
a good A/C (I think, it's really too cold to find out right at the moment),
a functioning wiper circuit, and Ford's assurance that all of my smog
devices are working.  Unfortuanately, I also have a non-functioning 
tachometer.

I can categorically state that in the two years I have owned this car,
I have never once left the Ford dealer parking lot without some sort
of new or remaining malfunction.  They have a perfect record.

> Back to <my problems>.  The owners manual states fuse #1 for brake light 
>and ECU
>and so I used to disconnect fuse #1 to reboot the computer.  Since, that has 
>not
>made any difference lately, I went to circuit diagram and the service manual 
>to
>see if the fuse #1 actually supplies power to ECU.  Fuse #1  is connected to
>brake switch and is one of the input to the ECU.  However, it does not look 
>like
>a power lead but rather a sensor input for the cruise control signals.  My
>conclusion after going through the manual is that computer is hotwired via
>fusible link.

>That means taking the fuse #1 off never rebooted the computer, so if I felt
>any change in the past, it must have been placebo effect.  I hate that!!

>It would be trivial to see if the car runs with fuse #1 off.  God alone knows
>why I am afraid to try that.

Have you tried disconecting the battery?  Since the car has to "re-learn" the
idle if the battery is disconected, perhaps it will cause a "re-set."


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: 6-speed in Camaro Z28, and shifting restriction in Corvette
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:38:37 GMT

In article <6669@rosie.NeXT.COM> gary_crum@next.com (Gary Crum) writes:
>Does anyone know about this issue, and most importantly, if it is true,  
>then is it also in place (or will it be in place) in the new Camaro Z28  
>which has a similar LT-1 engine to the one in the Corvette, and a 6-speed  
>transmission?  A salesman at a Chevrolet dealer said that there was no  
>such restriction.
>

According to my media kits:  "Unlike the Corvette ZF 6-speed, the Camaro
transmission is not equipped with the skip-shift feature that requires a
1-4 gear shift at low engine/vehicle speeds."

bob
From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Phone number to find bluebook value for used cars?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:34:22 GMT
Organization: Hack-Man's Hangout
Posted-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:34:22 CST
Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:32:55 CST
To: rec.autos
X-Disclaimer: I speak for me and not my boss; Honeywell's gain & Usenet's loss
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]


Anyone have one of the "1-800" numbers that you can call to find out
current bluebook values for used cars?

I think one of my credit cards gave me one of the numbers that has 
all that kind of info, but I don't remember which card it was and 
I don't thik I wrote down what the number they gave me was.  

If anyone could send me one of the "1-800" numbers, I'd appreciate it.

Send to an5138@anon.penet.fi

Thanks bunches!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: yet another consumer reports article (
Keywords: consumer reports statistics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:48:54 GMT

In article <1k1t96INN176@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM writes:


>True.  But you can't know what factors will cause people to
>respond differentially.  For example, in the poll I cited above,
>the reason that Roosevelt did so poorly is that Readers of the
>Literary Digest who *had phones* were more likely to be Republicans,
>because phones were still relatively expensive in 1936.

Ah, but that is not the issue. I am not talking about using
the phone data to talk about the rest of the population. I am
using it to talk about people who buy AT&T phones compared to
people who buy ITT phones. 


>For all we know, readers of Consumer Reports are highly likely to
>have families -- perhaps in the large samples, the people who
>drive the Taurus treat it with greater care than those who drive
>an Eclipse, for example.  

Care is not that big an issue, most of it is standardized in scheduled
maintainance which you follow if you want to keep the warranty.
Also, care is an issue of time. It takes time for one to damage
the car and and that would not show up until much later
in the ownership. 

If care was something really hard to do, then maybe you would have a
point. 

john
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From: thaddeus@hpcvusd.cv.hp.com (Thaddeus Konar)
Subject: 1976 Jeep CJ7 Owners Manual
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:36:41 GMT

I am looking for a 1976 Jeep CJ7 owners Manual.

If your CJ died but you still have the manual - I would
like to buy it from you.


              
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From: tobey@einstein.eds.com (Christopher Tobey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese cars never die!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:07:31 GMT
Organization: EDS/TSD - Troy, MI

In article <1993Jan21.214115.819@ab.wvnet.edu>, white_w@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
> 
> 	I have a little automatic 2-wheel-drive '81 subaru GL wagon, and I
> would just like to put in my 2 cents worth.  I boutht the car used 9 months
> ago from a dealer.  I paid $1000.  Since then I have wrecked twice (only one
> was my fault).  It ate a guardrail at over 60 miles an hour, and survived.
> I also sideswiped a Bonneville at about 20 (I wasn't looking behind me when
> I pulled out *embarrasment*).  I have put 18,000 miles on top of the 101,000
> that were on it when I bought it.  Except for new brake pads (safety
> precaution) I haven't done anything to it but change the oil and beat out
> dents.  I put 2000 miles on it in the last two weeks, 1000 in two days.  It
> has never failed.  Show me a chevette that can say that.
> 				W. C. White
> 				White_W@ab.wvnet.edu
> 
> 			

Well, I have a 83 chevette.  I can't say that my driving skills are
as bad as yours, but I can say that I have driven it 100 miles a day for
the past three years to work and back.  I also drive out to California
from Michigan every summer.  It has 267000 miles.  No major power train
repairs. I am an abusive driver; meaning that when the light turns green,
the gas peddal is burried.  I have replaced the clutch three times. I       
usually drive between 70 and 75 mph to and from work.

The only complaint I have is I have to change the break pads about once
a year.

The oil filter is changed every 3000 miles and I change the oil about
every 15000 miles (Mobil 1).

Oh, besides the break pads, the only other complaint is that you
almost have to pull the engine to change the starter motor.

chris.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("")
Subject: Re: Import from Europe
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:36:22 GMT

msyed@hilbert.coe.northeastern.edu writes:
> 
> Would any of you net folks know what is the procedure is to 
> import a car from Europe for personal use. I would appreciate
> information about customs (the various taxes), the standards 
> the car would have to conform to etc.
> 
> Thanks
> 

Many European car makers let you order a US-spec car, with
delivery at the carmaker's factory in Europe. it's pretty convenient 
if you ever are there on vacation and want to have a car
to use.  Then you can ship it over yourself.  Volvo, BMW, and I
think Saab do this; Mercedes and Audi may also.  With VW, I'm not sure
such a program exists, although if Audi does it VW, being part
of the VW-Audi Group (VAG), could conceivably offer such a
purchase option as well.

Since the car is US-spec, you need not worry about getting the
car to conform to US emissions and safety standards.  Plus, you
can apparently save up to a couple of thousand dollars on
pricier cars, or up to about $1000 on cheaper models, even
factoring in the cost of shipping across the Atlantic.

For more info contact the carmaker you have in mind directly.

Erik Velapoldi
ejv2j@virginia.edu
(804)979-8319
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: elderly drivers
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:36:05 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1993Jan20.201725.15127@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>In article <269@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu> johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns) writes:

[ lots of stuff deleted ]

>gee willerkers you young whipper-snapper, where do you get off making a
>statement like that and what do you base it on??? I'm over 25 and the
>way you talk I'll be feeble by the time I reach 50! If people over 50

Unfortunately most 50+ people I have bumped into are closing in on that
"feeble" zone.  They don't have to be, but few seem to do much to prevent it.
If you are over 50 and not letting yourself deteriorate, GREAT!  Youth can
cover for alot, but it definately takes work to keep you skills as your age
increases.  I never said people over 50 couldn't drive well.  I was simply
stating what my criteria for a good driver over the age of 50 is, and yes,
it is more relaxed than for a 40 year old, which is more relaxed than a 30
year old, etc.

[lots of names of people over 50 that could TOTALY kick my butt driving deleted]

Heck, I am REALLY impressed by those people.  They're doing the right thing.

>
>>As for the "few drivers under 70 years of age" comment, surely you jest!
>>Maybe doing it in reverse, using only your mirrors would make it challenging.
>>Maybe you meant he was slaloming?  Nahhhh...
>>
>>If you can't perform the above "feat" you best get out and do some SERIOUS
>>practicing.
>>
>
>I'm afraid I've seen too many drivers on the roads, of ALL ages, who can't
>keep their car straight, no matter what speed they're driving, to say
>nothing about when you add the rain/snow/night/etc factor....

 No kidding, very unfortunate, that's why I said if
   "If you can't perform the above "feat" you best get out and do some
    SERIOUS practicing."
 That's to ANYONE at ANY age.
-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mgr@iti.org (Mike Rother)
Subject: Re: Mazda List
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:36:58 GMT

rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH) writes:

>Anyone out there know of a Mazda mailing list? Any info would be great.
>Thanks in advance.

There is a Mazda MIATA mail list with some good "discussion" going on.

To subscribe to the Miata mailing list, send mail to 
	"listserv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu" 
with a line containing 
	"subscribe miata FULL NAME".
From: davoli@natinst.com (Russell Davoli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lexus Commercials
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:37:23 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

In article <1993Jan24.054853.18849@scott.skidmore.edu> jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost) writes:
>
>Does anyone remember the Nissan ad (my favourite) when the narrator
>quips "I was having the wierdest dream.  I was driving this car <black
>300ZX Twin Turbo>, etc etc."  People are chasing him and he spools the
>car up to what must be 140 (full boost in 4th, hits the redline, etc).

I personally preferred the 300ZX commercial where they start off with something
like "Wouldn't it be great" if I drove to Europe and cruised the Autobahn.
They show the 300ZX flying down the road, coming up on a Porshe, flashing the
lights, the Porsche moves into the right lane, and the 300ZX flying past the
German road machine.  Then it ends with the car driving to the end of the
pier and a voice saying "Too bad I can't drive across the Atlantic" or
something like that.

In the goofy vein I liked the Joe Isuzu ad where he fires a bullet at target
a mile or something away, then goofs around for awhile, jumps in his car,
zooms past the bullet the camera is following in flight, jumps out of the
car, holds up a target in front of face, and finally catching the bullet in
his teeth.  I can't remember what he said or what car he was driving, but
the sheer absurdity of this add made Isuzu stick in my mind.  Which may have
been all they were trying to do anyway since I think they weren't too well
known at the time.

-- Russell Davoli