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From: ivor@utdallas.edu (Ivor Page)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: strike-through/underline
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:24:41 GMT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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Does anyone have a set of tex or latex macros for congressional
form strikethrough and underline amendments to documents?
From: anselmo@cumesb.mech.columbia.edu (Andrew P. Anselmo)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Including PostScript figures; problems with xdvi on Sun?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:08:57 GMT
Organization: Columbia University Department of Mechanical Engineering
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About including PS files in a Latex document...

I've been trying this for a while now, with no success.  I have gotten
the psfig.sty file, and have a PS file that has been created with XtoPS.
By running Latex on the file (pap0.tex) I get no errors, but while running
xdvi (I'm running this on a Sun IPX w/ OpenWindows 2.0), I get the main
text of what is in my file, without the pictures.  Any ideas why this might
not be working?  It does seem that enough space is created for the figure,
but all I get is a big blank space.

Here's the error message from xdvi:

[ anselmo@cumesb ~/text/tex ]: xdvi pap0
xdvi:  special "dvitps: Include0 "psfig.pro"" not implemented
xdvi:  special "dvitps: Literal "38153420 26510049 1052508 12761661 39205928 39271710 startTexFig  "" not implemented
xdvi:  special "dvitps: Include1 "/home/cumesb/anselmo/text/tex/a.ps"" not implemented
xdvi:  special "dvitps: Literal "endTexFig  " " not implemented
[ anselmo@cumesb ~/text/tex ]: 

Thanks.

-A.


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From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: TeX In Practice
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:09:18 PDT

In article <BtA7CB.3zv@gate.demon.co.uk>, James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk> writes:
 
> In article <ROLFL.92Aug20112635@karl.uio.no> Rolf Lindgren,
> rolfl@karl.uio.no writes:
>>Why hasn't anybody written a book explaining LaTeX? IMHO, the LaTeXbook
>>needs a companion volume far more than the TeXbook does.
 
> I tend to agree with you, but although there are a handful (3 or 4 ?) of 
> LaTeX books around, I think that because LaTeX is perceived as "easier" 
> than TeX, the books are generally not of the same standard. 

I think, in fact, that the problem is almost exactly that:
Neither of the two LaTeX books available quite gets what LaTeX is
all about (in fact one claims explicitly that it's simply "easy"
TeX, which is far from the case). Neither measures up to the
original LaTeX book which is better than many think (the secret
is to approach it in the correct order--read the opening section
not the #@%^ reference section).

Mine will be done Real Soon Now (yes, RSN) at which point there
should be a viable alternative.

-dh
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From: nabtexm@zeus.tamu.edu (ACS TeX Maintenance)
Subject: Re: "risky" PD software
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:40:00 GMT

In article <ZOO.92Aug16190201@cirdan.cygnus.com>, zoo@cygnus.com (david d 'zoo' zuhn) writes...
> 
>If you're talking about the pc world, where people grab binaries left
>and right, well, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw the
>disk that they came on.  

Oh, come on. I'm sure you could throw a 3 1/2" at least 100 yards with a 
running start!  
                 ;-)

-neil burleson
 nabtexm@rigel.tamu.edu
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From: dmiller@dragon.tricity.wsu.edu (David L. Miller)
Subject: Re:  "risky" PD software
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:01:23 GMT

In article <9208170057.AA03688@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu>, bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu (Bruno Wolff III) writes:
|> Well there is some risk in running any software. However I would normally expect
|> commercial software to be of higher quality than PD software. Also when

I disagree.  Specifically, TeX is well-known to be one of the cleanest, most
bug-free programs available *for*any*price*.  It is true that many PD programs
are pretty lame, but I have seen commercial software that is just as bad!  Also,
how far do you think your posting would get without a whole bunch of PD (or 
otherwise free) software?  i.e. rn/Cnews/nntp/...


|> purchasing shrink wrapped software there is less chance that the software has
|> been tampered with than software obtained from a bulletin board.
|> I would not feel too secure running software yanked off of a lot of bulletin
|> boards.

Not so fast there...  Of all the viruses I have encountered, *every* one could be 
traced to a *COMMERCIAL* package!  I know it sounds crazy, but you are actually 
safer downloading software from a well-run, moderated, archive server or BBS.
I would stay away from a BBS that is wide-open, allowing anyone to post anything, 
though.

As mentioned in other follow-ups, source is usually even safer.

|> I don't feel there is really much risk to running a copy of TeX obtained
|> from U of Washington since there are a lot of people running it and if
|> something was odd about the copy of TeX there it would probably have been
|> found out about by now.

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From: beigel-richard@CS.YALE.EDU (Richard Beigel)
Subject: Re: penalty inside a macro, problems with punctuation
Summary: how to discourage line breaks inside a macro
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT  06520-2158
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:31:44 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.195354.13725@cs.yale.edu>, I wrote
>I would like to discourange line breaks inside a certain macro.

Donald Arseneau sent me a really nice solution which prevents
non-explicit hyphenation and sets a penalty of 500 for line breaks
between words.  Here is his solution, followed by his explanations
(slightly edited):

{\obeyspaces%
\gdef\machine{\begingroup\obeyspaces% change catcode of spaces before reading
\let =\pensp\Machine}% the parameter with \machine
}
\def\Machine#1{\rm machine\null~[\null#1\null]\endgroup}
\def\pensp{\leavevmode\ifdim\lastskip=0pt{\null\penalty500 } \fi}

This makes spaces "active" in the parameter text and defines them 
to be a \null, a penalty, and a space, but avoiding multiple spaces.
(\ignorespaces only ignores ordinary spaces.)

The \null macro is just an empty \hbox{}; it prevents hyphenation because
TeX won't try to hyphenate something that isn't a plain word.

Note that increasing the interword penalty above the value of \tolerance
has no greater effect than setting it to \tolerance (unless it is 10000).
If you are tolerating lines with badness of 500, then a penalty of 500 makes 
sense.

This will still leave easy breakpoints wherever there is a dash or hyphen
in the parameter text.  Make this harder by increasing the value of 
\exhyphenpenalty to 500.  This will be in effect for the whole paragraph,
but I don't find that to be a probalem.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Re: Web2c and subdirectory searching
Keywords: Unix
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:07:19 GMT

tfb@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Tim Bradshaw) writes:

>I would *like* to use the subdirectory searching features for i.e
>TEXINPUTS that recent versions of web2c provide, so I can keep all
>sorts of packages isolated & not have to recompile TeX all the time.

>The performance is awful: 5-6 seconds to the `This is TeX' prompt on
>an unloaded Sun ELC with local disk, cf some tenths of a second with
>an older TeX.

There seems a huge difference between machines --
has it something to do with NFS?
On our main machine (Mips) there is no noticable downgrading.
But on other machine which should be faster
there is definitely a problem.

How does the speed compare with that of Unix "find"?

>If there is in fact no way to get it usable, then a compromise scheme
>might be to have single-level subdir searching.  This gives most of
>the advantages of multi-level but keeps the performance since you only
>need to stat the files in the top directory.  Lucid Emacs uses this
>approach with success.

Couldn't this be left to the user?
Eg a\b\c\\ in TEXINPUTS could mean search recursively,
while a\b\c\ could mean search first-level only.

>Alternatively some file could be put somewhere which TeX & METAFONT
>read to get a list of directories to search for stuff.  This at least
>keeps the effort of reconfiguring it small cf recompiling everything.

I feel that before doing anything complicated,
one needs to determine the source of the problem.
I wonder if it could lie in the recursion?
and that running through the directory first,
just marking sub-directories for later attention,
rather than going down them at once,
might not speed things up?

After all, it {\em should} only take nanoseconds
to run through a directory.


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
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From: tomg@stud.cs.uit.no (Tom Grydeland)
Subject: Re: Registered trademark macro?
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:33:12 GMT

In article <>, eijkhout@cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
|> Hi y'all,
Hi there... :)

|> does anyone have a macro for registered trademarks (R in a circle)
|> that is more clever than my modification of \copyright below?

Well, there's a control sequence in the AmS-font package v2.1 (available
from all good servers) called:

\circledR

and which makes a circled `R' (surprise!) which then can be
placed in a superscript to make a registered Trademark sign.

Here's my version of your document (Math mode to use superscript)

\input amssym.def
\input amssym
\documentstyle{article}

\begin{document}
\title{$\mbox{Perfect}^\circledR$ Benchmarks}
\author{csrd}
\maketitle
\section{$\mbox{Perfect}^\circledR$ Benchmarks}
$\mbox{Perfect}^\circledR$ Benchmarks.
\end{document}

And it looks nice to my eyes... :)

|> Victor.

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From: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu (Bruno Wolff III)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re:  "risky" PD software
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:57:22 GMT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Well there is some risk in running any software. However I would normally expect
commercial software to be of higher quality than PD software. Also when
purchasing shrink wrapped software there is less chance that the software has
been tampered with than software obtained from a bulletin board.
I would not feel too secure running software yanked off of a lot of bulletin
boards.
I don't feel there is really much risk to running a copy of TeX obtained
from U of Washington since there are a lot of people running it and if
something was odd about the copy of TeX there it would probably have been
found out about by now.
From: redel@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Dean Redelinghuys)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: BibTeX - Sorting Bibliography Entries
Summary: Any progs. to sort BIBTEX bibliographies alphabetically, etc.
Keywords: Bibtex,sort,bibliography
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:38:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.redel.714314320
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand

Greetings and salutations.

Does anyone know of a program for sorting the ORIGINAL BIBTEX BIBLIOGRAPHY
files into some sort of order (alphabetically by author, for example)?

Someone here would like to sort a 60+ BIBTEX bibliography so that he can
keep track of the citation references. He is using BibDB 1.0a, and can see
for example, all authors with surname Smith, but the citation keys do not
get sorted. So, is there a method of LOGICALLY sorting the BIBTEX
bibliography (.BIB file) into alphabetical order (on citation key/author/
year etc.)?

Thanks for the help. Since I originally posted to the emtex-user mailing 
list and got a lot of "Hey, let me know what you find out"s, I'll summarise
if someone e-mails me.

Dean Redelinghuys
|------------------------------|---------------------------------------|
| Have another day.            |    redel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za.          |
|                              |                                       |
| ``There are no weird people  |  Postgraduate Student                 |
|   in this world - some just  |  Electrical Engineering Department    |
|   require more understanding |  University of the Witwatersrand      |
|   than others'' Tom Robbins  |  Johannesburg South Africa            |
|------------------------------|---------------------------------------|


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| Have another day.            |    redel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za.          |
|                              |                                       |
| ``There are no weird people  |  Postgraduate Student                 |
From: tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Tom Marchioro)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: getting TeXview to pop up on the same page as previous .dvi
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:11:43 GMT
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

> In article <5699@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
> gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory Lampshire)
> writes:
> 
>  Setup:  Emacs with AUC-TeX.  NeXT-TeX.  TeXview a-9.
> 
> Problem:  A usually only work on one document at a time and I
> am usually   interested in seeing the results for the page
> that I am working on.    Unfortunately,  when I C-c C-p to
> preview my work (after TeX'ing the doc)   TeXview always
> goes back to the very first page in my doc which means I   must
> then page forward to the page I was just editing.
> 
> How can I get TeXview to open up to the same page in the doc as
> the   previous .dvi file so that roughly the same page will
> be shown on screen   as was just being previewed?
> 
The version of TeXview you have cannot do this.  However, Tom Rokicki has  
told me that TeXview 3.0 (which comes with NeXTstep 3.0) will be able to  
do it, and that, will be out, of course, whenever NeXT gets around to it.  

Hope this is Helpful  --- Tom

PS:  If you're *really* interested in having this work now the modified  
version of TeXview which comes with the InstantTeX demo has this feature.  
Whether or not iwill work with Emacs I don't know.
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From: wwm@wa8tzg.mi.org (Bill Meahan)
Subject: Re: Seek collaboration on dvi-to-PCL (HP LaserJets etc) driver writing.
Organization: What, ME Organized?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:29:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.143624.3288@irfu.se> bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
>I have an alpha version of a driver for dvi to HP Print Command Language
>(PCL, Understood by HP LaserJets and othe HP printers) and want to
>improve it with better \special support (HP-GL/2 and pbm graphics; it can
>already handle PCL graphics via \special}.  Also I want te update it
>to PCL5 for more efficiency.  The driver is quite fast as is (total
>time for processing the .dvi file of a 100 page, fairly complicated
>document is about 1.7 seconds on an HP 9000/730).   I call the driver
>"dvi2pcl.
>
            [...]
>
>Bo
>bt@irfu.se
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>  |R|      Phone: (+46) 18-303671.  Fax: (+46) 18-403100.  IP: 130.238.30.23
> /|F|\          INTERNET: bt@irfu.se      UUCP: ...!mcvax!sunic!irfu!bt  
> ~~U~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------sm5dfw-


I sincerely hope you include the PCL4+ supported by the DeskJet 500
series! (And set it up so it will compile on my 3B1 [99 44/100 % pure
SysV]).


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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dhosek@linus.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: 14pt fonts?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:29:25 PDT

In article <IMG.92Aug21145454@eagle.aisb.ed.ac.uk>, img@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Ian Green) writes:
 
> On 19 Aug 92 17:14:40 GMT, dhosek@lucy.claremont.edu said:
> [...]
>>> My problem now is: How can I get my fonts to be in 14 point? I am basically
>>> using a mocked up version of the springer style file smva.sty, plus 12pt on
>>> the report.sty. The ideal thing would be if there were a 14pt option file
>>> that would work well in conjunction with report.sty. 
 
>> No, not report.sty! LaTeX has a bad enough reputation for
>> producing ugly output as it is! Does your publisher have no
>> concern for quality output?
 
> 	I stopped at your claim that LaTeX has a `bad enough
> reputation'.  I wonder why, if this is the case, why there aren't any
> other styles around which are one-up on the standard styles.  I think
> I'm inclined to agree with you, so where are they?

Problem: Generic styles are always going to be sub-par. Styles
for a given series are better, and a design for a particular work
is best (after all, every book has different content and uses).

Problem: Style-writing is at best an arcane art. Granted, an
arcane art that pays some of our rents, but an arcane art
nonetheless.

There are many thousands of styles (OK, maybe not _thousands_,
but some significant number). For generic styles, I recommend
Victor Eijkhout's "NTG" Styles which give a handful of variants
which satisfy many people's desires. Until recently, I used these
as my base styles when creating styles on contract.

-dh

Don Hosek                  
dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu  
Quixote Digital Typography 
714-621-1291


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From: jumper@spf.trw.com (Greg Jumper)
Subject: Re: TeX on Suns (Re: Where to get LaTeX or TeX.)
Organization: TRW Data Systems Center, Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:14:04 GMT

In article <etxkrjg.713616979@solsta-c> etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se (Kristian
Jorg TX/DKL) writes:

     Yes, byron.u.washington.edu.  Contains the latest version (3.14) of
                                                ^^^^^^
     TeX and the other packages such as Latex and so on.


Actually, Karl Berry released a new "web2c" for TeX 3.141 several months ago.
I check "byron" periodically, but they have yet to update their distribution
-- the files there are well over a year old now; I'm wondering if it is still
a functional UNIX TeX repository...

If you want to do a bit more work to put together your own TeX distribution,
the latest "web2c" can be found on either "ics.uci.edu" or "ftp.cs.umb.edu".
--

                                       Greg Jumper
                                       TRW DSC Signal Processing Facility
                                       jumper@spf.trw.com
From: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@SHSU.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: sched.sty on FILESERV/Niord
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:37:50 CDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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Jim Hefferon <HEFFERON@SMCVAX.BITNET> forwarded me an innovative twist on
the handy schedule.sty which does not rely on PostScript to shade boxes. 
Instead, it uses PicTeX (neat idea, Jim!).  The syntax and use is very
similar to schedule.sty.  Jim notes in the file:
%  1) In addition to LaTeX, this uses PiCTeX.  I've not tried this with
%  anything less than a big TeX (that is, a TeX with an enlarged memory).
%  I'd be surprised if it worked.
%     But, given that emTeX is free, and great, and given that memory
%  is cheap, I didn't think this was an unreasonable burden.

To retrieve the file via e-mail, include: 
 SENDME STY.SCHED
in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET (FILESERV@SHSU.edu). 
The file is available from Niord.SHSU.edu (192.92.115.8) in [FILESERV.STY].

Regards and my thanks to Jim,   George
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From: Schoepf@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Rainer Schoepf)
Subject: Re: old font selection style burps under NFSS
Reply-To: Schoepf@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de
Organization: Konrad-Zuse-Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:48:05 GMT

In article <5711@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory Lampshire) writes:

   I'm a little stuck.  In an older LaTeX style I have the following:


   \def\@normalsize{\@setsize\normalsize{13.6pt}\xipt\@xipt
   \abovedisplayskip 11pt plus3pt minus6pt\belowdisplayskip \abovedisplayskip
   \abovedisplayshortskip \z@ plus3pt\belowdisplayshortskip 6.5pt plus3.5pt
   minus3pt\let\@listi\@listI} <

  (lots of similar lines deleted)

   But now I am using NFSS with LaTeX 2.09 which works fine on all my other  
   documents that don't have explicity reference to \xipt etc.  Being a  
   novice at setting up fonts in TeX (the NFSS setup took me awhile), what  
   sequence should I convert the xipt etc to in order to map them into the  
   NFSS sequences for LaTeX?  I am using psfonts.sty that comes with David  
   Jones's psfonts package.  This sets up the fonts with the proper x spacing  
   and all.  All I have to include is David Jone's times.sty (not Tom Rick  
   and dvips) to get times fonts.  How do I do the mapping!

The piece of code you are showing is definitely NOT the source of the
problem, as it is basically the same as in the standard document
styles.

For redefinitions of \xpt, etc, use the file rawfonts.tex, supplied
with psnfss by Sebastian Rahtz, and with the next update of NFSS
(coming soon).
--

   Rainer Schoepf
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    fuer Informationstechnik Berlin            sich die Dinge so frueh
   Heilbronner Strasse 10                      am Morgen schon so
   W-1000 Berlin 31                            dynamisch entwickeln!''
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   <Schoepf@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de> or <Schoepf@sc.ZIB-Berlin.dbp.de>
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