HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Israel vs Syria
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:25:11 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <Bw84u7.6pE@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
writes:
>Elie, "marfou3 l-3atab"...you can call me Samir, no need for a title. Come
>to think of it, in the english language a title with a first name is
>used more in a sarcastic sense than in a respectful manner. But anyway,
>I will give you the benifit of the doubt.

Ahla ya Samir!

>I do not beleive any of us, if you really like lumping us together, has
>claimed that he does not wanna live with his compatriots.  I know what 
>I was saying is that the syrian presence is being used as a polemical smoke
>screen to avoid the real issues.

Samir I want reform, but I can not accept reforms under occupation. Especially
if some of the Lebanese use this occupation in order to get reforms. It is a
matter of principle.

let me explain: I want a certain change, part of my compatriots do not accept
this change, this implies that I allow myself to use or be used by a foreign
force to reach my ends! 

no I can not agree with this theory.

Then why did Amine Gemayel not succeed, or even the other political leaders
before the war? why? is it because of the Maronites? please, it is time we
start facing our mistakes, all of us! and stop blaming others!

Why could Mr. Rashid Karame resign and cause upheaval in support of the Cairo
agreement, and not move a finger to get reforms within the country and better
the fate of his fellow Lebanese.

As a matter of fact, both Kamal Jumblat and Pierre Gemayel were the strongest
allies of Fouad Shehab and his reforms. Yet the many factors that intervened,
on the one hand the desire of the political elite (Muslim and Christian) to
cling to their acquired power. Two the military activities of the Palestinians
that became a direct threat to Lebanon's security, not to mention the fear it
put in the hearts of very many Lebanese (both Muslims and Christians!)

so please don't simplify to meet your purposes. If reforms did not happen in
Lebanon, it was not the fault of one group or one person! each has to take the
blame and not pass the buckett!

In conclusion: to say that some are waiting to ask the Syrians to leave, in
order to see if they get the reforms they want, would not inspire in me any
willingness to trust these people let alone change the constitution and have
deep-reaching reforms!


>Samir M. Fahs

elie wardini
Xref: sparky soc.culture.lebanon:4311 soc.culture.iranian:8743
From: pc@bellcore.com (Peter Clitherow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Arabic Test (=?ISO-8859-6?B?1dHD5Q=?=)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: Peter Clitherow <pc@bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - Information Technology, Morristown, NJ
X-Gateway: ALEX.ims.bellcore.com
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-6
Content-Transfer-Encoding:  BASE64
To:  A1 bassem medawar <medawar@tasha.poly.edu>
Cc:  news.post@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com



  A1 bassem medawar <medawar@tasha.poly.edu> wrote
    In article <ld3jefINN418@spim.mti.sgi.com> anoosh@mips.com (Anoosh Hosseini)
    >The English part will always be readable, and required for transport on
    >Internet.  Use of Persian/Arabic with be still in Latin characters, but 
    >that's for transmission only, they would be representing ISO 8859-6 
    >encoding or equivalent. Read below.

  Actually what I had in mind was a message in the form:
  - Internet header
  - Latinized Arabic form of the message automatically converted from the Arabic
    text for those who don't have the capability to display Arabic
  - keyword to start arabic coded text
  - Arabic coded text
   
here's a brief rendering of how your ideas translate into the MIME
(proposed) standard.  the following incantation would look pretty nice
on a machine with the right fonts loaded, and some sophistication to
switch directions and choose the correct orthographic glyph for initial
beh for instance - but it's been done with hebrew.  (excuse any encoding
errors on my part).  MIME assumes nothing but standard 7bit paths) the
subject would popup with both latin and arabic characters for instance,
and could show either latin or arabic text.  the '1dHD5Q=' encodes ain,
reh, beh, yeh for instance.

From: Peter Clitherow <pc@bellcore.com>
Subject: Arabic Test (=?ISO-8859-6?B?1dHD5Q=?=)
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="***"

--***
Here could be some random text that corresponds to the latin version of
things 

--***
Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-6

sH881/yUia93yUa98xKa9zoUa8BdIQsH881/yUia93yUa98xKa9zoUa8BdIQ=
sH881/yUia93yUa98xKa9zoUa8BdIQsH881/yUia93yUa98xKa9zoUa8BdIQ=

--***


  What is ISO 10646?  Some sort of encoding?  And I take it that RFC 822 defines
  7 bit email.

ISO-10646 attempts to encode a large number of character sets in 32
bits, with room for extensions.  rfc-821/822 define the SMTP headers and
protocol exchange as you said, for 7 bit mail.  there are extensions for
netnews articles, and the latest one rfc-1341 for (multi-purpose internet
mail extensions) for multi-media and other such wonders.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: HELP MUSLIMS; PAY NOTHING.
Organization: UiO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.032236.2429808@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John
Elghani/10000000) writes:


>
>MEF calculated that if the average muslim in the US converts to MCI,
>then the muslim schools will be receiving $6,000,000 per month.
>Yes, six million a month ==> 72 milllion a year.   I think the 
>our children deserve the 72 million/year instead of AT&T.



not that it is of my buisiness, but would it net better if every Muslim (or
others who wish to contribute) gave 5$ to MEF rather than work through a
company whose only desire is to make money (even if takes supporting MEF)?

elie wardini
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: How you disappear in Syria. (Lebanon is getting there)
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:38:07 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Despite some recent prisoner releases, thousands of prisoners of
conscience and political prisoners are still locked away in Syrian 
jails. Many were routinely tortured during their detention. Almost all 
are held without any recourse to justice.
Tawfiq Draq al-Siba'i, a 46 year old medical doctor, was detained in
Homs in May 1980 after Syrian censors intercepted a letter from 
relatives expressing concerns about the political situation in Syria.
For six years, Syrian authorities denied any knowledge of his whereabouts.
Finally in November 1986, Amnesty learned he was detained in al-Mezze
Military Prison, reportedly accused in involvement in matters affecting
state security.
Dr. al-Siba'i is married and has five children. He studied medicine
at Damascus University and in 1973 went to Montreal, Canada to undertake
graduate studies in neurology. He opened a medical clinic in Homs upon
his return to Syria.


From the latest amnesty newsletter.
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Story
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:02:32 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <1992Oct12.053627.30341@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled
S. Soufi) writes:
>Very funny and painful at the same time.  'Sharrul baliyati ma
>yudhiku' is what it is.  This is truly satire at its best.  I really
>enjoyed reading this wonderful piece which does reflect the sad status
>quo!
>
>Regards,

shu ya Khaled, fi is^ya mittif'iin @laya!

ya rayto kataba b-AlphaLeb!   :)  :)   :)


mniiHa hayde ya Ramzi, aumtan raH ni'ra l-sequel?

>-- 
>+-----------Khaled Soufi


elie wardini
From: hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: fishing and diving in Lebanon ?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:13:34 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct13.054519.20327@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
> krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara) writes:
> 
> >Do the fishermen still use dynamite (TNT sticks) to kill fish
> >in Lebanon ? How's the sea life over there...are the fish making
> >a come back ?
> 
> >Has anyone gone SCUBA diving there ? Did you go with your gear thru
> >the airport without any hassles ...etc ? What dive spots did you go to ?
> 
> You just reminded me of the jitters I would get when these sick people
> would throw 'hal'oon' near where I would be diving.  I actually asked
> my brother this question a week ago (he goes fishing almost everyday)
> and he told me that he hasn't seen people use dynamite in years now.
> Apparently, the authorities got tough on those jokers.

You reminded me also of the fishermen who used "Jaroofe" (hand pulled nets)
to catch fish.  I remeber they mainly caught Sardins, but most of the
other fish were wasted and left for the Seagls to feed on.  The smell
, while driving by the beach, was awfull.  I hope this would be regulated
sometime. 

Since we are on the topic, I once (2 years ago) went deep sea fishing in
Galveston, Texas. It was a nice experience.  They ("Handy Men" with big
Tatoos and cigaterates in their mouths at all times:-)) do all the work from
preparing Octopussies as bates, to helping in cleaning the catch of the day.
It cost about 75-100$/day for the ride and the fish is yours free of course:-)

Maybe we should get into this bussiness in Lebanon instead of Engineering.
It pays more for sure:-)
-Hani 
  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Subject: Re: HELP MUSLIMS; PAY NOTHING.
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:38:28 GMT

e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

>In article <1992Oct08.032236.2429808@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John
>Elghani/10000000) writes:

>>MEF calculated that if the average muslim in the US converts to MCI,
                                                      ^^^^^^^^
I guess Muslims should start saying: I witness there is no God but God
and Muhammad is his Messenger, and MCI is my long distance company :)

>>then the muslim schools will be receiving $6,000,000 per month.
>>Yes, six million a month ==> 72 milllion a year.   I think the 
>>our children deserve the 72 million/year instead of AT&T.

>not that it is of my buisiness, but would it net better if every Muslim (or
>others who wish to contribute) gave 5$ to MEF rather than work through a
>company whose only desire is to make money (even if takes supporting MEF)?

Actually, Elie made a good point.  I think the $5 is a good idea.  But
since everyone uses a long distance company anyway, it is best to
choose the one you can benefit from the most.

As to the MEF study (who is MEF anyway?), it sounds to me that the six
million $$ a month is a little overblown figure.  Unless MEF assumes
that Muslims make more long distance calls than all the other
religious groups combined :-) Come to think of it, I always wondered
what the M in MCI stood for!!!! 

>elie wardini

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|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Lebanon U.N. peacekeepers wounded in car crash
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:37:27 GMT
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon.

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	TYRE, Lebanon (UPI) -- Seven U.N. peacekeepers were injured late
Thursday in a car crash in southern Lebanon, a spokesman of the U.N.
Interim Force in southern Lebanon (UNIFIL) said Friday.
	The spokesman told reporters that a U.N. vehicle turned over and
crashed in a ravine while transporting peacekeepers of the Nepalese
battalion from the port city of Tyre, 45 miles south of Beirut, to the
UNIFIL headquarters in the border town of Naqoura.
	Three of the seven injured Nepalese received serious wounds and were
immediately taken to a hospital, he said.
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 16:17:28 EST
From: <CED14304@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Marcel Khalife in Toronto

Hi:
Marcel khalife will be in Toronto on Saturday Oct 31st 1992
at Convacation Hall, University of Toronto - Kings Circle.

Tickets are $35, $50 and $70.
If you are interested please send me mail or call me at nights
(416) 444-3870./

Thanks
Omar

Omar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: waid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah)
Subject: Oh, Sorry, not Baathists but Socialists
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 00:57:00 GMT

K. Shoufi responded:

>This is a very self-righteous attitude that is based on arrogance and
>shortsightedness.  Of course, Syria's regime employs scare tactics to
>survive.  This is a rule of thumb that goes with every dictatorship
>that ever existed on the face of this earth!  But I'd like to ask you
>if you ever looked into the eyes of those Lebanese brothers of yours
>who lived in areas such as the South, Akkar, and Wadi Khaled and saw
>the pains of an unjust system.

Now :

Two wrongs do not make a right.  I do NOT subscribe to the fatalist
notion that I have no choice except to die or be killed.  In specific,
I refuse to accept terror as an alternative to injustice.  All this is
regardless of the fact that I was 8 when the war broke out and 10 when
the Syrians came in, so I would need a time machine to do do YOUR
experiment, whereas the one I suggested is about to become possible to
all our brothers and sisters back home without eny need for a cab to 
Damascus.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Subject: Re: Gee, where did all these Baathists come from?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:04:11 GMT

waid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.233616.8059@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) asks:

[...]

>Finally, for all you guys wh have been to Syria, try this experiment
>next time you are there:  find any adult, get in a conversation with him 
>or her, and just casually drop the word "Moukhabarat" in any context within
>your conversation.  Be sure you are looking in their eyes at that point.
>I personally <do not feel I am claiming this to be universal, but just in
>case you were curious> would rather die in exile than have to live with
>that kind of look in MY eye.

This is a very self-righteous attitude that is based on arrogance and
shortsightedness.  Of course, Syria's regime employs scare tactics to
survive.  This is a rule of thumb that goes with every dictatorship
that ever existed on the face of this earth!  But I'd like to ask you
if you ever looked into the eyes of those Lebanese brothers of yours
who lived in areas such as the South, Akkar, and Wadi Khaled and saw
the pains of an unjust system.  You didn't even have to say 'Maktab
tani' or anything to them!  Of course, that Lebanon was so nice to you
that you even could find the time and the energy to make fun of your
neighboring regimes' way of life as if your own backyard is any better
(or did you know it was worse Marie Antoinette?)  You prefer to die in
exile rather than live in a place like Syria.  Fine. The people of the
South, Akkar, and Wadi Khaled would prefer to die with dignity in
order to liberate themselves from the injustice that is/was imposed on
them by the system that you seem to be boasting about.  Until they do,
I think I don't mind at all seeing you die in exile my friend.

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+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Subject: Re: Story
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:36:27 GMT

Very funny and painful at the same time.  'Sharrul baliyati ma
yudhiku' is what it is.  This is truly satire at its best.  I really
enjoyed reading this wonderful piece which does reflect the sad status
quo!

Regards,

-- 
+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------+
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:32:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct16.213250.28235
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.232643.7366@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
>|  In politics, as in every aspect
>|> of life, there is a PRICE to pay for every mistake committed.  The
>|> people who are paying the most are the ones who have made the mistake
>|> of inviting Syria in the first place and who are now screaming the
>|> loudest ('Darabni wa baka, Saba'ani wa shtaka'). 

>I agree that the Christian leadership did make several mistakes
>that may have led to this situation, but is that reason enough
>for you to abdicate your right to live in an independent country
>called Lebanon ?  An option here may be to merge with Syria,
>but I, for one, would rather have Lebanon a separate country,
>until we (I mean Arabs, in Lebanon and in Syria) get to 
>a political maturity level that would lead to true democracy.

Basil, I think the ultimate is to have an independent country called
Lebanon.  I don't think there is much argument there.  What is unclear
is whether the Lebanese are united enough to take upon themselves this
endeavor of managing their business in tandem.  I think we are still
far from this important goal.  When you see people meeting with
Clinton hoping he would help (if he wins) in ridding Lebanon of the
Syrians, I feel jitters down my spine!  To me this does NOT mean that
these organizations are interested in inviting the Syrians out of
Lebanon so that *we* would have a nice free independent country.  For
if they truly wanted a nice free independent Lebanon for all, they
would have at least pressed just as hard the issue of the Israeli
occupation of the South which they totally *ignore*.  The South is not
even part of the beautiful Lebanon that these organizations envision!

In the final analysis, Syria is an indispensable evil to a lot of
people at this point.  Just as the American presence was to Germans
after WWII.  We have to earn our freedom by recovering from the War
and building trust and harmony among the people of Lebanon.  I don't
think our sought freedom would materialize before that.

-- 
+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: Power Plant
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:00:52 GMT

Unless the Israelis have built it themselves, the only Hydrauelectric power
source in Lebanon (according to my memry from high school geography) is at
Quaraoun in the Northern Bekaa Valley. I cannot remember if it has functionned at
all or was it only a project on paper ?

corrections are very much welcomed especially when you have the price (Lamma
bikoun Maakon Hak :-)

rached
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Story
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:16:36 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct13.192148.15699@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
[.....]
> ..................  I can't imagine how you could visualize that a
> 'khodarji' would drop his Arabic someday and start yelling "cucumber"
> and "squash" in, say, Phoenician.  I'd like to see you someday suggest
> that to a 'khodarji' while he is holding that big knife they use to
> cut bananas!

Ouch!:-) I hate to be around when that happens!
Your point is well made however.
-Hani
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Israel vs Syria
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:05:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.122106.12302@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:


>
>Yet if Mr. Samir and Khaled an Rached said: we want to live with our fellow
>Lebanese and these are bitterly opposed to Syrian presence in Lebanon.
>
>
>elie wardini

Elie, "marfou3 l-3atab"...you can call me Samir, no need for a title. Come
to think of it, in the english language a title with a first name is
used more in a sarcastic sense than in a respectful manner. But anyway,
I will give you the benifit of the doubt.

I do not beleive any of us, if you really like lumping us together, has
claimed that he does not wanna live with his compatriots.  I know what 
I was saying is that the syrian presence is being used as a polemical smoke
screen to avoid the real issues.  And one of the most important issues
are political reforms and social and economical justice in Lebanon.  Now,
until it can be proven that this is not the case then we will more
or less have the status quo.  I do believe that after the israeli invasion
of 1982 the "Nationalists" welcomed the Government of Amin Gemayel
and cooperated with it, only to get disappointed again that the
previous 12 yrs of Civil-war did not in any way change the minds of the
political establishment of Lebanon.  We all do remember the reasons
that called for what is now know as "Februaury 6th" uprising.  I do
know that we are all old enough to have lived through those events and
one would not have to resort to a stack of references to convince 
us of what has happened. 
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