HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
Subject: SUMMARY: problem in aliases.hash file
Reply-To: era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
Organization: Nat'l Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:46:42 GMT

A few days ago, I posted a question about why the elm aliases.hash file
created by my workstation, was not the same as the aliases.hash file
created on another sun machine on which my files are mounted.

Syd Weinstein provided the answer:

>Elm 2.3 aliases require 2 things to be the same to work across
>multi-machine networks.  The first is that the size of the alias table
>on all machines be configured the same.  The second is that the system
>be build with the d_nfs to true such that the aliases are stored in
>network byte order.

He also mentioned that this problem will go away in elm 2.4 because the
alias stuff is done differently.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: Enhancement request for ELM filter command
Keywords: filter
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:52:08 GMT

dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
>In article <14nsc6INNbh7@betty.cs.widener.edu> brendan@cs.widener.edu (Brendan Kehoe) writes:
>|dwatts@ki.com wrote:
>|>An enhancement to filter I would like to  see would be to filter on both
>|>forms of from lines as well as reply-to.  Something like:
>|>
>|>  if ( from: contains "userx" ) then save somefile1
>|>  if ( from contains "usery" ) then save somefile2
>|>  if ( reply-to contains "userz" ) then save somefile3
>|>  if ( fromany contains "userq" ) then save somefile4
>|
>|Relying on From_ is dangerous, I think.  Any number of mailer aberrations
>|could mangle `From ' into a nasty twisted figment of its former self.

The same is true for other headers, though.  What I'd like is for the
three filter header names to be meta-names that refer to a variety of
headers, like this:

  from     From_, From:, Resent-From:, Sender:, Originator:, Reply-To:
           (and maybe also Return-Receipt-To: and Errors-To:)
  to       To:, Apparently-To:, Resent-To:, Cc:
  subject  Subject:, Comments:, Keywords:, Summary:

In addition, you should have a way to name a specific header line and
filter on that line only.  For any arbitrary header line.  Perhaps
this could be done by adding a colon to the header name, so "from:"
would duplicate the current (mis)functionality of "from", for example.

If 2.4 isn't going to have this feature, I'm going to write my own
replacement for filter that works as described above.  It probably
won't accept quite as broad a range of syntaxes for filter rules as
elm's filter, 'cause I won't take the trouble to do that, so it would
be better if elm filter added this feature and saved me the work :-)

>Alas no, there is nothing in the email other than this line to identify that
>it came from the mailing list echoer.  I think I'll ask if they could add
>an X-xxxxxx header with the mailing list name to the email that gets echoed
>by the mailing list. Then all I need is filter support to check for
>arbritrary X-xxx headers :-)

Aha, another person wants to filter on arbitrary headers (like
X-Zippy-Says? :-) In the meantime, though, check if the list has a
consistent To: line.  Every major mailing list I'm on, with the
exception of comp-privacy, can be filtered based on the To: line.  If
this list doesn't do that, ask the list administrator why.

>Hmm... I'll probably go hack something up while I await the next version
>of ELM.

If you do it before I do, send me a copy.  Same to anyone else.  I
probably won't be satisfied with anything short of what I described
above, though :-)

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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Enhancement request for ELM filter command
Keywords: filter
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:14:51 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar) writes:
>If 2.4 isn't going to have this feature, I'm going to write my own
>replacement for filter that works as described above.  It probably
>won't accept quite as broad a range of syntaxes for filter rules as
>elm's filter, 'cause I won't take the trouble to do that, so it would
>be better if elm filter added this feature and saved me the work :-)

and on another users earlier comment writes...
>>Hmm... I'll probably go hack something up while I await the next version
>>of ELM.

>If you do it before I do, send me a copy.  Same to anyone else.  I
>probably won't be satisfied with anything short of what I described
>above, though :-)

Ok folks, every one asks for things in Filter for 2.4, but no one volunteers
to work on them.  Well, I do have something to say about this....

Filter is 'dying' because no one wants to work on it and fix/enhance it.
Thus everyone complains, and no one does.  Fine, I can live with that.
But, now someone comments that if we don't do it, they will take the
time to 'write it over'.... Well, if you are going to take that time,
why not enhance filter?

What filter needs is people who want to use it, and are willing to work
on it.  The current members of the Elm Development Group, which are all
volunteers, don't seem to have much interest in filter.  There has been
talk, at each release, of dropping filter entirely.  Well, at 2.4, I must
admit, some work was done on it, but apparently no where near enough.

If the user community wants filter enhanced, then someone(s) from the user
community is going to have to step forward and volunteer to do it.  The
current Elm group is having enough trouble just getting 2.4 out the door.

Note: The Elm Development Group is, and always has been open to all.
The only requirements I put on members is that they be willing/able
to ftp or uucp new copies of the source as needed from dsinc, and to
work on bugs as well as new features.  Thats it.

So, if you are willing to write it over, consider putting that effort
into filter.  If not, it will die, probably at 2.4.  I don't see anyone
considering it for the 3.0 rewrite.

Soapbox mode off......
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: markw@gvlf7-q.gvl.unisys.com (Mark H. Weber)
Subject: Re: edit & bounce
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation (A Unisys Company)
Distribution: comp.mail.elm
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:43:12 GMT

maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis) writes:
>
>Some users at our site complained about the Elm `bounce' command:
>Sometimes it would be useful to remail a certain message after having
>edited its contents, but without quoting the message (like `forward' does).
>
>Can this be achieved in a simple way using 2.3.11?

Try this:

Hit "f" for forward, then when it says "edit outgoing message?" say No.
This will copy the message without putting in the "> " quoting characters.

When the last chance prompt (edit, shell, headers, copy, send or forget)
comes up, hit "e" for edit. You can then delete the "Forwarded message"
headers, and add or delete whatever else you want.

Hope this helps!
Mark


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.Virginia.EDU (David Meyer)
Subject: Re: edit & bounce
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: comp.mail.elm
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.123906.2145@hemlock.cray.com> davew@fig12.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul24.053748.2971@ifi.unizh.ch>, maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis) writes:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Some users at our site complained about the Elm `bounce' command:
>> Sometimes it would be useful to remail a certain message after having
>> edited its contents, but without quoting the message (like `forward' does).
>>
>This sounds like a really bad idea.  I don't want someone to be able to
>(this easily??) be able to mail anything and make it look like I sent it.

Right.  Virtually anyone anywhere can send a mail message and make it
look (at least superficially) like you sent it.

Anyway, editing bounced messages wouldn't effect who the message looks
like it came from.  Elm still wouldn't let you muck around with the
From headers, and it would still have a header indicating who
forwarded the message.


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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Segment Violations
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:05:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: DSI.1992Jul23.190545.22403
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:
>I'm running elm2.3p11, and get a segmentation violation everytime I try to save or
>reply to a message with a long 'To' or 'CC' field. Any idea what could be causing this?
Yes, a buffer in 2.3 is a bit too short to handle those long to and cc fields.
2.4 extends the buffer a bit, but it is going to take 3.0 to support dynamic strings.
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From: jessea@homecare.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm doesn't like not having a .elm or Mail when in batch mode.
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:48:26 GMT
Organization: G.O.D Inc.

I've got elm linked with mail and mailx on my network and elm doesn't
like to send mail when a .elm or Mail directory doesn't exist for that
particular user.  So, none of the mail generated by jobs started by
cron is being mailed and an error is showing up on the console.  Is
there anyway to make elm not care about those directories (for batch
mode related users) and mail the junk anyway?

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From: maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: edit & bounce
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:37:48 GMT
Distribution: comp.mail.elm
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science

Hello!

Some users at our site complained about the Elm `bounce' command:
Sometimes it would be useful to remail a certain message after having
edited its contents, but without quoting the message (like `forward' does).

Can this be achieved in a simple way using 2.3.11?
Will such an edit & bounce function be available in 2.4?

silvano

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From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Date: 18 Jul 92 02:13 MDT
Subject: Summary: printing locally
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul17.221326.27791@princeton:-238046479:001:2557
Nf-From: lotka.Princeton.EDU!bvaughan    Jul 18 02:13:00 1992


Last week I asked this newsgroup for help with printing from elm when
logged in from an IBM PC.  Others had earlier requested help with this
sort of thing.  Nigel Metheringham provided a wonderfully succint summary
of the problem as well as one solution:

> [Nigel's summary:-
>   Wants function to print locally on a PC connected via TCP/IP telnet.
>   Finds that stuff sent to stdout by print command vanishes!
>   Telnet implementation does not allow printer control
> 
> Elm redirects stdout & stderr to /dev/null (effectively) while
> executing the print command.  The work round to get the text sent to
> your terminal (and hopefully your local printer) is to send the
> output to /dev/tty (this should work on all Unix systems but I'm not
> guarenteeing it!).
> 
> # Nigel Metheringham   # (NeXT) EMail:
nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk #
> # System Administrator #######  Phone: +44 904 432374        #
> # Department of Electronics  #  Fax:   +44 904 432335        #
> #     University of York, Heslington, York, UK, YO1 5DD      #
> 
Nigel also volunteered a print utility that he wrote for printing to local
printers; I haven't tried it because our own local print utility works
as a substitute print command if I redirect its output to /dev/tty as
Nigel suggested.  If anyone would like to have the print utility, I will
forward it, with no guarantees.

One of the problems with a print utility that must send output to the screen
is that even if you get it there, elm doesn't redraw the screen afterward.
David A. Wagner offered a suggestion similar to Nigel's, but also
suggested adding a line to the elm.c program as follows to redraw the
screen after printing.  Here is David's addition:

> > 	In elm.c, change the "case 'p'" block to be this:
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------
> > 	    case 'p'    :  PutLine0(LINES-3, strlen("Command: "), "Print mail");
> > 			   fflush(stdout);
> > 			   if (message_count < 1) {
> > 			     error("No mail to print!");
> > 			     fflush(stdin);
> > 			   }
> > 			   else {
> > 			     print_msg();			
> > 			     redraw++;		/* CHANGE */
> > 			   }
> > 			   break;
> > --------------------------------------------
> 

> David A. Wagner
> dawagner@phoenix.princeton.EDU

If all of this seems too complicated, there is always my original workaround.
You can use the pipe function in the elm menu to pipe the current message
to print utilities that require printing to the screen.  This is only a
little more tedious than using the print function.

Barbara Vaughan
bvaughan@lotka.princeton.EDU
From: ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk (Philippe Goujard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: saving mail to folder ">fred"
Summary: Bug report on strange beharviour
Keywords: elm, folder, saving
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:17:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 4SN, UK

In my version of elm (2.3 pl8) there is a "feature" that looks more like
a bug : when you save a mail to a folder you can save it to folder
">fred" for example. (despite the fact that for us it sounds stupid I had a
user telling me that he wanted to save in that folder all mail received from
'fred', dont argue, users have their own logic :-) ).
The problem is that after that the user complains that he cannot remove the
file (although a 'rm - ">fred" ' worked well).
Anyway I think that if a folder name starts with a ">" or a "<" the rest
should be ignored.

My question is : Has this been fixed in a more recent patch or will it be
addressed in the future.

BTW the fix for it is very trivial, in my system I also prevent users from
saving mail to a folder outside their Mail directory.
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From: umunk@naxos.sni.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm doesn't recognize TERMCAP ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:48:38 GMT

dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes:


> I am having a problem with Elm (I think the version is 2.3PL11)
[...]
>Shouldn't elm obey the TERMCAP variable ( TERM is set to 'adm3a', btw) ?
>Is this fixable in configuration, or will it have to wait to 2.4/3.0 ?

I think this isn't a problem of elm, because normaly the termcap
routines selects, which termcap file to use. Maybee your elm is
compiled to used the terminfo stuff instead of termcap. Try to create an
terminfo entry for an adm3a and set the TERMINFO variable properly.
Hope this helps.

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From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Enhancement request for ELM filter command
Keywords: filter
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:05:50 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1992Jul27.180016.17159@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
>>Someone pointed me to a program called deliver which is supposed to be
>>able to do everything I want and lots more.
>>  $Id: README,v 1.10 1991/11/21 15:34:13 chip Exp $

>And that chip, is one of our developers for Elm.  We have recommended
>deliver as a replacement for filter for many years now.

Deliver is a great program, but basically requires the person using
it to be able to write shell scripts etc.  There is a gap in the
market (as seen by me!), for a filter -> deliver conversion program,
or more generally a macro language or even GUI front-end to deliver
to make it easy, painless and possibly even error free
(syntactically at least) to generate deliver control files.

[No I'm not volunteering at present!]

Running onto another thread that has been washing around the group. 
If you are running elm 2.3, receive X400 messages, and get the
"Folder is corrupt - I can't read it" message (or messages appended
together), then making deliver your delivery agent will solve these
problems, since it rewrites problematic From_ lines.  However if you
use From_ addresses for mail routing (ie you have duff s/w :-), then
this work round will really sink you!  It doesn't tackle the problem
that elm cannot in the current release cope with quoted spaces.

	Nigel.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.misc
From: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Satish K. Swarnkar)
Subject: *** Subject header not shown for "Auto - Forwarded" message **!!
Originator: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:08:47 GMT

Hi everybody,

I have a problem in auto-forwarding mail.
Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated.

	The "Subject" header is not shown for any mail which is Auto -
	Forwarded to me from another system. Basically "Subject" becomes a part
	of the content, and I get a blank Subject, for that message, when I see
	my mail using elm or mailx.

	I have two systems "yesac" and "wan486".
	I am using "mail -F satish@wan486" for forwarding the mail, from system
	"yesac".
	I want all the mail sent to satish@yesac to be auto forwarded to 
	satish@wan486. In "yesac", file /usr/mail/satish contains
	"Forward to satish@wan486". This works fine but the forwarded message
	does not show the Subject.

	The following example will elaborate the problem. This is a copy of
	mail which was auto forwarded to me from "yesac".
	Lines with "...(..).." are my comments. " = " has been put in beginning
	of every line to indicate the actual message received.

 = From uucp Fri Jul 24 10:34 EDT 1992
....(some lines deleted).....
 = From: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
 = Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:55 EDT
 = To: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
 = Content-Type: text
 = Content-Length: 501
 = Status: RO

....(The lines above have header "Subject:" missing, so I don't see subject)....
....(The lines below are the contents of the mail).........
....(Check how Subject: has become part of the body of the mail)........

 = >From satish Fri Jul 24 10:32:18 EDT 1992 remote from wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
 = From: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
 = Subject: Testing auto forward.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (Subject is part of message)
 = To: satish@yesac
 = Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:32:18 EDT
 = >From: Satish K. Swarnkar <wan486!satish>
 = X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
 = Received: from wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM by yesac.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:55 EDT
 = Auto-Forwarded-From: yesac!satish
 = Auto-Forward-Count: 1
 = Content-Type: text
 = Content-Length: 33
 = 
 = Testing autoforward.
 = 
 = -- 
 = Satish

	Please send reply to "satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM", and not to
	satish@yesac.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM, otherwise I would not see the Subject.

NOTE : Subject for a mail sent from yesac system to satish@yesac is displayed.

	Please suggest any solution or method to circumvent this problem.

Thanks in advance, waiting for your reply..........
---
Satish
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From: grosen@plains.NoDak.edu (Johannes Grosen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm isn't including my message text!
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:12:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19260
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo


I'm running Linux 0.96c Patch-level2, Smail 3.1.25, and elm2.3.

Everything is working smoothly *except* that when I use elm to
send mail all that gets sent is the mail header. My message text
is not included!

I've successfully sent mail (with text!) calling sendmail directly
(e.g /usr/lib/sendmail -v <user>@<host>) so the problem has to be
something between elm and sendmail (and perhaps the temporary file
created by my editor). Do I have permissions screwed up some where
so elm can't pass the message text to rmail/sendmail? I've got
things set up so that /usr/spool/mail is 0775 with owner root and
group 'mail' and elm runs setgid to 'mail'.

Suggestions?

Please reply via email: grosen@isc.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu

Thanks!
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