HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: Reuse in Nextstep
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Aug31.141015.26855@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com  
(Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.033732.2031@corndog.id.com> walters@id.com (Chris  
>>Walters) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug25.133146.21009@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  

>>BTW - A sweet lady (whose name I will withhold) said 3.0 went to the press on  
>>the 25th.  She wouldn't comment on when customers would first start receiving  
>>their copies.  Oh well. 

Oops,  I forgot to mention that that sweet lady was a NeXT employee.  It's all  
history now :-)
--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson)
Subject: Re: NIDomain and sub-domains
Reply-To: drew@fnbc.com
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:11:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.095545.1345@codex.oz.au> bpja@codex.oz.au (Brett Adam)  
writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.174640.24226@fnbc.com> drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson)  
> writes:
> > Does anyone know how to get a list of all NetInfo domains under another  
> NetInfo  
> > domain?
> > 
> 
> 
> Examine the "serves" properties of all machines in the domain.
> 
> You could wrap a shell script around invocations of niutil to do the job, or  
> better still, use the netinfo C API directly.
> 
> Have fun.
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Brett Adam                 Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd.
> NeXTMail: bpja@codex.oz.au                  AppleLink: AUST0335
> (Preferred.)                                 (Only if you must) 
> -- 

The "serves" property is really the long way around to getting the hierarchy of  
domains that are available.  I have been trying to use NIFillDomainHierarchy()  
(called fill_domains() in 2.x) from /usr/include/netinfo/domain.h with partial  
success.  The call has no documentation, so I've basically been playing around  
until the real docs arrive.  Over in c.s.n.marketplace, Brett Adam  
(bpja@codex.oz.au) is offering to sell documentation on NetInfo that his  
company developed.  I'm getting it!

--
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
|        Drew  Davidson          | "When you're jacked up on 3 pots of       |
|         Software Guy           | coffee it's easy to make a mistake."      |
| First National Bank of Chicago |             - Krantz and Stanely,         |
|     drew@fnbc.com  (NeXTmail)  |               "Programming the 68000"     |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: mai_nguyen@next.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: DBKit API and 3.0 MiniExamples
Keywords: DBKit, MiniExamples
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:12:56 GMT
Reply-To: mai_nguyen@next.com

In article <4851@rosie.NeXT.COM> jmartin@next.com (Jeff Martin) writes:
% Hi:
% Between 3.0 PR2 and the final 3.0 Release, there was a minor DBKit API change  
% that didn't make into the online technical documentation and one DBKit  
example  
% in the release. If you are interested, you can get the new AddressBook  
example  
% via anonymous ftp (file transfer protocol) from one of the following Internet  
% archive servers. Note that they may still be in /pub/next/submissions.
%<<Stuff deleted>>

My sincere apologies.. for posting under jmartin@next.com name, because I  
didn't check the preferences of NewsGrazer. The correct address should be  
mai_nguyen@next.com. My apologies to all those who may have replied to that  
address.
 
mai
From: mick@quay.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Display PostScript documentation
Summary: info needed on Display Postscript
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:48:44 GMT
Organization: Quay Financial Software

I'm looking for the following documentation on display postscript:

	Display PostScript System: Client reference manual;

	Display PostScript System: Perspective for s/w Developers.

Does anyone know where these can be got from?

Thanks in advance,

mick@quay.ie
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: Database recommendations
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:27:25 GMT
Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD

In article <seaim=y00WA78imGZf@andrew.cmu.edu> da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Apfelbaum) writes:
>
>It looks like I am going to need to tie together a rather large amount
>of data as we convert an existing database's datafiles over to the NeXT.
> DBKit seems to be an ideal solution.  However, that still leaves a
>choice of Sybase or Oracle for the underlying database.
>
>So, are there any recomendations?   Advantages or Disadvantages?
>
>
>            Thanks for your time....
>
>                    -David Apfelbaum.
>                     da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu


Check out ParaBase -- it makes the database use easier
and acts as a front end to Sybase or Oracle.

Mark Stankus












-- 
mstankus
mstankus@oba 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: NeXT Remote Power Up/Down?
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194128.16156@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>
	steve@writer.yorku.ca (Steve Azmier) writes:
>shutdown -p will only show up in the Console or Terminal (if it's
>                                                        Can root open
>the Public Window Server on a station just long enough to broadcast a
>message then close it (or leave it in the state it was in)?

[This answer for 2.x systems; not verified for 3.0]

You know the "Printing" panel that pops up when your NeXT Laser
Printer runs out of paper?  That's done by a handy little program
called /usr/lib/NextPrinter/Inform.  It turns out that Inform can
display any message of your choosing:

	/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Inform "I hate recycled toner cartridges"

You can also change the text displayed on the "OK" button:

	/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Inform -b1 Extinguish "Fuser assembly on fire"

What it doesn't let you do is change the printer icon or the
"Printing" title, which is too bad, since NeXTSTEP could use
a general-purpose notification service.  (Hmm... you can probably
replace the "PrinterAlert" nib section with whatever you want.)

Oh yeah: if run by root, Inform will work even without Public
Window Server enabled.

					-=EPS=-
From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Perl use over NFS
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlabs.1992Aug28.170756.9224
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.180847.15448@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
: Larry Wall writes
: > But those both entail an extra process, which is a pity  
: when #! is already
: > implemented.  Make the world a saner place and push for  
: /usr/bin/perl.
: > 
: > Larry Wall
: > lwall@netlabs.com
: 
: Boo! Hiss!
: 
: And when you upgrade /usr/bin gets clobbered by the new  
: operating system.  I reserve /usr/bin for what comes from  
: the vendor.

Yes indeed.  Why do you think I want people to get used to seeing
perl in /usr/bin?  :-)

Larry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: john@nextdoor.com (John McCracken)
Subject: Re: Color station screen was turned OFF (but still power ON)? how and why?
Reply-To: john@nextdoor.com
Organization: Nextdoor Software, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:29:25 GMT

In article <5277@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> bobcook@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU  
(Bob Cook) writes:
>
> Color stations have a separate power switch on the monitor.  So all he
> did was to turn off the monitor.  The CPU continues to run fine.  (We
> do it all the time.  You can just turn the monitor back on and everything
> will be fine.  (At least, if you've logged off before turning it off.  I
> don't know if everything would be fine if you were logged on at the time.))
>

It works whether or not you're logged on.


-- 
 John McCracken                   White Computers
 john@nextdoor.com                  Can't Jump
 NeXTMail welcome
From: fcs@athena.mit.edu (Frank C. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: rdump almost figured out... but not quite
Keywords: rdump
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:48:37 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <37336@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mbutler@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (M. COOPER / B. McQUAID) writes:
>I've almost got backing up from my NeXT to my D.G. Aviion working.
>Here's what I do:

(console script deleted)

>My only problem is telling dump that the 1/4 tape on the Aviion is a
>525 MB device. Apparently dump needs to know this in order to know
>when to rewind etc. What parameters do I give to dump in order to
>tell it 525MB? (it wants actual length of the tape as well as other
>data I don't know). Hopefully someone familiar with dump can help me

You can manipulate the size and density parameters so that dump computes
the correct capacity for the device you are using. Don't be surprised
if the capacity that dump gets for a set of these values is not what
you compute. The values of the size and density are used only
to compute the capacity of the device, based on an assumption that it
is a 9-track tape.
From: jmp (J. Matthew Pryor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Using NetInfo on other platforms
Keywords: netinfo,sun,xedoc
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:54:26 GMT
Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd

In article <1992Sep2.061836.14493@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
magnus@Fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes:
> Does anyone have any experience using software that enables Suns to  
> understand NetInfo?  The following was posted to next-managers@stolaf.edu  
> a while ago:
> 
> >Xedoc Software Development, has implemented NetInfo for the Sun
> >platform. This helps immensely to integrate these two platforms. NetInfo  
> >for Sun Workstations is 100% compatible with NeXT's NetInfo, and allows
> >admin staff to use NetInfo Manager (and friends) to administer Sun *and*
> >NeXT workstations.  A Sun Server product which will allow Sun machines
> >to act as parent NetInfo & configuration servers is in the works.
> 
> Could someone please send me their address?  I would also like to hear if  
> it actually works, and if it will be compatible with 3.0.  Also, are there  
> any other products?
> --
> 
> 
> 		Magnus Nordborg
> 		Department of Biological Sciences
> 		Stanford University
> 		magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)


Xedoc has in fact released NetInfo for Sun Workstations.
A SPARC Server version, RS/6000 & HP (and others) are nearing completion.
NetInfo from Xedoc *is* compatible with NeXT's 3.0 release of NetInfo.

For more information please contact me directly.
Please indicate how you would like to receive the info (ie fax, NeXTMail etc).

J. Matthew Pryor

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc
From: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.ORG
Subject: Re: LogoutHook question
Reply-To:  <bruce@TotSysSoft.com> (Bruce Gingery)
Organization:  Total System Software
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:48:03 GMT

lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes:
: I know that if a LoginHook exits with a 0, the login proceeds
: normally.  If it exits with a 1, then the login kicks back out to
: the prompt.
: I want to do the same sort of thing with LogoutHook.  If I exit the
: LogoutHook program with a 1, I want it to dump the user back into
: the workspace, not letting them log out.  I tried it, and it doesn't
: work.  Anyone have any idea how I might do this? (something
: undocumented?)
: BTW, in case you're wondering why I don't want to let the user log
: out, it's because I want to force them to go back and reduce their
: disk usage before they log out. 
: -- 

  Sounds like a good usage for the logout hook, however perhaps not the
right action.  Perhaps applying a compression utility to their entire
home directory tree, leaving only enough actually IN the directory for
the next login.  It would likely be necessary to arc-off also their
normal .cshrc and .profile, replacing it with new-user defaults, ESPECIALLY
if they must utilize a terminal shell or even remote login shell to
restore their home directory.    Not allowing a logout, especially in
a busy campus environment is apt to merely leave a lot of damage in its
wake, as users DON'T logout, and the next user comes along and merely
grabs a fan and stuffs it into the recycler, pops the empty option, in
order to gain access to the hardware for their own use.  Automated
E-Mail is classic on the NeXT, and could function from the same logout
hook, explaining just what has happened to their directory(s), and
how to go about fixing the problem.

  It would certainly be nice to place a ``dock-able'' test-only which
would TEST to see if they're in trouble if they logout...

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Gingery          bruce@TotSysSoft.com        (Total System Software)
InterNet:  Bruce.Gingery@p1.f5.n310.z1.fidonet.org (  Cheyenne, Wyoming )
       or  bruce@brucext.TotSysSoft.com
NeXT-Mail: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.org  < -or- > bruce@TotSysSoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Need advice over a mail "echo" problem
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:38:48 GMT

Greetings:

I have a strange problem, I hope you can help me resolve it.

About a month ago, a listserver started sending an annoying MCI mail
message to all of its members.  After a bit it went away.  However, on a
chance communication with the admin of the listserver, he told me that they
were receiving an echo of this message every four minutes for over a month!

My problem is that I cannot seem to trace this problem!  Can anyone tell me
what to do or where to look?  I use standard NeXT mail, normal sendmail,
and Pine from the dial-in side.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards-
Joe


--

________

Joe Rosenfeld                              cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu
Automation Librarian                      joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu
Cleveland State University Law Library

Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.sysadmin:4937 comp.unix.admin:4782
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Vendors Considered Evil (Re: Perl use over NFS)
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:47:04 GMT
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

In article <1992Aug28.180137.22861@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
=Because perl is a scripting language.  That means it wants to have a #!
=line at the beginning with the path name to an executable.
=
=But scripts have a path hardwired into them almost by definition.

Not all shells/UNIXes respond to #! stuff, so some of us have to edit
all distributed perl scripts! Like, if we have to do it, ...

;-)
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Surge Supressor - not needed on NeXTs?!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Aug26.161418.9122@tessi.com> chris@tessi.com
	(Chris Lamb) writes:
>As the walls start to crumble, "Honey, grab the kids!  I've got to sync the
>filesystem!"

That's why you want a UPS with alarm contacts, a serial port, or
a network interface (don't laugh)--some way of telling the
machine to prepare for the worst.  The nicer ones monitor
"environmental conditions" as well as the power.  In California,
a ground motion sensor might not be such a bad thing.  In parts
east ... an anemometer perhaps?

					-=EPS=-
-- 
Before Hurricane Andrew I had relatives in south Florida.
I don't know if I still do...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: ajetha@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A. Jetha)
Subject: News
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:51:36 GMT

Has anyone installed C-news on a NeXT server?  I'm not a sysadmin person, but I have been put in charge of installing news on our server.  I would like to use
NewsGrazer instead of readnews.  Can anybody offer me some tips?

If you have NeXtmail, email me at ajetha@musecorp.com, if not you can just replyme at this address.

I would greatly appreciate any help!
Thanks
AJ
From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Vendors Considered Evil (Re: Perl use over NFS)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:43:26 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <1992Aug31.155516.24977@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> dave@nakiska.ucs.ualberta.ca (David Ross) writes:
: Okay, I'm putting on my preacher clothing...  *preach on*!
: ...
: Perl is not a standard UNIX distribution - don't assume it is.  All perl  
: scripts should start with #!/usr/local/bin/perl!  
: *preach off*

Okay, I'm putting on my dictator clothes...  *dictate on*!
Perl is becoming a standard UNIX distribution.  Assume it is.  All perl
scripts should start with #!/usr/bin/perl.
*dictate off*

Did I ever tell you that I believe in the tail wagging the dog?  :-)

Larry "Hubris is a Virtue (I hope)" Wall
lwall@netlabs.com

P.S. This is really a Laziness issue.  In the long run it's a heck of a
lot easier to install a *standard* symbolic link a few times than to
edit oodles of files.  The real culprit here is that #! won't search a
path, and UNIX never established a standard place for interpreters.
(Well, apart from /bin and /usr/bin, that is, and /bin is no longer
tenable.  Which leaves us with /usr/bin, poor choice though it is for
the reasons you've elucidated already.  The fact is, even though you
have established a coherent /usr/local/bin policy, there are billions
and billions of machines out there that haven't, and never will.  What
we have here is conflicting de facto standards, and the resulting
evolutionary struggle.  There aren't any perfect answers to this.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Easing clock to correct time via ntp
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:11:29 GMT

I've heard that using a simple "ntp -s" or "ntp -f" isn't good for the  
system because the clock might jump to the correct time from whatever it  
was set at before and cause a crontab entry to be skipped.

I don't know if this is true and, therefore, was wondering if it would be  
a good idea to stick an "ntp -s <ntp host>" in as a crontab entry running  
every 10 minutes?   I figure the worst that will happen with this is that  
the clock will be set correctly the first time and never be too far off  
from what time it *really* is.  Unfortunately, if my clock isn't that  
good, it will only be correct on the 10th minute, when it was jerked to  
the correct time.

If there is a way to ease the clock forward or backward (accelerate or  
decelerate the ticking of seconds, I suppose) so that the clock was  
correct relatively all the time and not pass up any minutes or seconds  
(thus solving any problem with crontab entries being skipped), how is that  
done?

Thanks.
--
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- no NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: pok@gabriel.ccs.yorku.ca (Pok Ng)
Subject: how to print file in normal order
Organization: Computing & Communication Services, York University, Canada
Distribution: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:10:44 GMT

Hi,

	Does anyone know how to set up the NeXT so that it WIIL NOT  generate 
postscript file with pages in reverse-order(ie I want first page first instead of
last page first)?


thanks
/pok
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Perl use over NFS
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:08:47 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

Larry Wall writes
> But those both entail an extra process, which is a pity  
when #! is already
> implemented.  Make the world a saner place and push for  
/usr/bin/perl.
> 
> Larry Wall
> lwall@netlabs.com

Boo! Hiss!

And when you upgrade /usr/bin gets clobbered by the new  
operating system.  I reserve /usr/bin for what comes from  
the vendor.  Helps me keep track of who to Froth at when  
things break... <wry grin>

However /usr/local/bin is great for this purpose.  For me  
this is almost always a link pointing to a directory on an  
NFS mounted disk.  Keeping all the stuff I've accumulated  
on one disk helps.  (This same disk has the /LocalApps  
/LocalLibrary /Demos etc)  This means I can back up all the  
local stuff I've got working by backing up a single disk.
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