From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April)
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:43:11 GMT

In article <Bv5xu1.AxK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun) writes:
>barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>>In article <92268.161504EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>, Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>> And since Shatterstar is no longer among the
>>> living, I find it doubtful that they'll be winning any battles soon.
>
>>Oh c'mon, there's _no way_ he's dead.  This is the guy who stuck a
>>sword through himself to ace an enemy in NM#100.  Do you _really_
>>think they're going to off him, especially given Fabian's ideas for
>>the future in X-FORCE Annual #1?  (Yeah, it's "alternate" but I think
>>it's a pretty good idea of where he's headed).
>
>Especially because then someone would finally have to do something about 
>the fact that Wolverine is a homicidal maniac running trying to kill
>everything he runs into. I personally would like to see Shatterstar
>die simply because a) it would be realistic (although the realism of
>a MUCH shorter man with his SHORT weapons attached to his wrists 
>getting inside the guard of a highly trained individual with very
>large swords is something that does boggle the mind.."But he's 
>Wolverine " screameth the fanboy)   

Hmm...I dunno.  I was under the impression that Shatterstar was holding
back.  He seemed rather unenthusiastic about the whole thing; my assumption
was that he figured Wolverine wouldn't really hurt him, and the two of them
could just spar while the others went after one another.  When I read the
panel where Logan skewers him, I said to myself, "Gee, I'll bet his last
thoughts were 'so this is what I get for going easy on him.'":)

Yeah, I know Shatterstar comes from a "warrior caste" and all that, but my
first instinct was that Shatterstar took Logan on because of the camaraderie
he felt for him, working on the unspoken assumption that he wouldn't kill a
"fellow warrior".  And even if he wasn't, he was probably still holding back.
I don't think any of the X-Force counted on the X-Men to try to actually 
_kill_ them, just try to bring them in.

>and b) Maybe they would actually
>send him to jail or kick him out of the X-Men or something. I mean,
>if Chuck X gets his panties in a wad over Cable's tactics against
>known villians like Black Tom and Sauron, how can he condone killing
>a "good guy" (even if he is misguided a wee bit)? 

More likely, Xavier would try to send him to a psychiatrist, or "fix" his
mental problems.  Let's face it; the writers have turned Logan from an
interesting, likable character into an unthinking, psychotic killing machine.
If they'd concentrate on continuing the character development that Miller
and Claremont started, maybe he'd be easier to deal with.  Despite the fact
that I like Hama's writing in Wolverine, I'm getting more than a little sick of
the constant mindfucking he does to Logan.  The concept has gotten old; just
let it die.

>I thought that the writers did a good job of setting this series up
>so X-Force has a good reason not to go back to the X-Fold with
>Chuck and the rest of the gang. I mean, they do 0 bad things and
>X-Factor and X-Men come and kick their butts and try to kill them. 
>Gee, a little overreaction on their part, I think. Rogue 
>PUNCHING Boom-Boom? Hehe..gee, that's called for. Yeah, I have
>the power of Miss Marvel and a weak person is a viable target.

No kidding.  It would've been much easier for Rogue to just give Boom-Boom
the patented Ben Grimm Love Tap (tm, patent pending) with one finger and
knock her cold.  You could say she was already pulling her punches, but
even so, there's only so much you can hold back!

>OH, and from above:
>
>c) Cable would get real pissed and kill his dumb butt. Hmm.
>Telekinetic powers and firearms.. Mentally hold up one snarling,
>grunting psycho and add lead to season. A recipe for a better 
>Marvel universe.

Feh.  I would much prefer to see them turn him back into a decent character.
Saves money on reloads.

>Axly

The Walrus