HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oopdavid@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (D.RODMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Property purchase
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am considering the purchase of a small farm or orchard as a retirement
investment and home in NZ.  Is anyone on the net familiar with real estate
pricing there or the regulations concerning foreign ownership of such 
property.  Are there rules that would prohibit this ownership?  Are the
reasl estate taxes different for residences vs. such rural properties?
What are the mortgage rates now?  Do NZ banks allow foreign accounts?
What are the interest rates there now for loans?  Do NZ banks "insure"
deposits (like in the US)?

Ideally this would be in the north part of the South Island or the south
part of the North Island.  Would real estate brokers laugh at the prospects
of an American trying to purchase this 10000 mi away??

Thanks in advance.
Dave.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Carl Moller)
Subject: E.mail at B.FM?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:35:32 GMT

Does Auckland Uni's campus radio station, B.FM, have an e.mail address?
If so, what is it?

Thanks
Carl
u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au
From: nad@cl.cam.ac.uk (Neil Dodgson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Why does spring start so early?
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:15:18 GMT
Reply-To: nad@cl.cam.ac.uk (Neil Dodgson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <1992Sep4.022420.20652@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bw@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Waldman) writes:
>Why does spring start on 1 September in N.Z.
>while it is still summer in the Northern Hemisphere?
>Canterbury snow aside, isn't this a bit jumping
>the gun?

Well I don't know about Cambridge, Massachusetts, but in Cambridge, England
Autumn started on 1st September.  By 3rd Spetember it was distinctly chilly,
and the leaves were starting to drop off the trees.  I had to wear my
jacket to work yesterday for the first time in months.  Bizarre --- how 
does the weather know that September has just started?

Neil :-)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 13:48:25 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

> 
> He may well be right.  If so, the issue is the level of our safety
> laws.  Not whether or not we import cars from Whereverville.
> 
Agreed. The Japanese cars are also welcome in a number of third world 
countries where standards are equally slack.
 
I must say, when I arrived in new Zealand five years ago, I though it was 
like living in a non-stop vintage car rally
 
:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora Mazda is really my friend)
Subject: test
Originator: ahriman@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:49:35 GMT

This is just a test.
From: cosc16tt@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Alternative fuels
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:27:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.COSC16TT.92Aug29152729
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
Distribution: soc
Organization: /posole/cosc16tt/.organization


Hi all!

I just got through reading a report that said there are over 130,000
cars in New Zealand running on natural gas.  That is over ten percent
of cars in the country!!!  Seems to me, the more I read about New
Zealand the more I find wrong with this country.  This just makes me
want to move to New Zealand even more.

Well, take care...

-dennis
--
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DGray@uh.edu                   "Attempting the hell to communicate."
                                     -from The Voyage Home
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 10:43:15 GMT

In article <0s8BqB7w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz> Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
> 
> > The reason that we can get second-hand Japanese cars cheaply is
> > because their system is set up to encourage buying new cars. This is
> > 
> That's not the whole story. New Zealand is the only first world country 
> with slack enough safty laws to allow thse cars in. (at least that's what 
> I was told by the deputy head of the MOT at a party earlier in the year). 
> He is convinced this has something to do with the extremely high road 
> toll in NZ.

He may well be right.  If so, the issue is the level of our safety
laws.  Not whether or not we import cars from Whereverville.

If fact, I believe that the influx of Japanese imports has drastically
lowered the average age of cars on our roads.  Surely newer cars are
safter? It's not so long ago that we had cars exempt from having seat
belts because they were first registered before 19??

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Canterbury Under Snow?
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:29:58 +1200
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug26.222945.21259@uws.EDU.AU>, M.Steven@uws.edu.au (Mike Steven) writes:
> An early morning phone call from family at Halkett informs me that most of
> Canterbury is waking up to find themselves buried under the heaviest snowfall
> in living memorysnow laying 1 metre deep at Darfield apparently. If any
> Cantabrians have been able to make it as far as their PC this morning could
> they post more details? 

I don't think Cantabrians are able to post at the moment (there is a 
posting in another group saying that there are network problems due to the 
power being rather unreliable), so you will have to settle for an 
ex-Cantabrian. This is a summary of what I have heard or read in the news
tonight and a conversation with my parents a couple of hours ago.

Yesterday, inland Canterbury was blanketed in snow, and Oxford was 
virtually cut off for a time. Lambing is in full swing and stock losses are 
very heavy. Power was lost to some parts because of the weight of snow 
bringing down lines.

Overnight, snow came to Christchurch. The airport was closed until about 
mid-afternoon, and people were advised to stay home from work - my brother 
and sister had the day off. The police gave up their patrol cars in favour 
of 4 wheel drive vehicles loaned by the 4WD club. Public transport disrupted 
or non-existant, no mail deliveries, no milk deliveries this evening, and 
probably no mail tomorrow either. The morning paper was delivered to some 
parts. Power was off in large parts of the city, especially in the Eastern 
Suburbs. My aunt, who lives in the East, had her power off for several 
hours. My parents, in the West were lucky and didn't lose power, although 
the stove clock indicated that power had been off for 5 minutes during the 
night. It has been pretty grim for those in all-electric houses.

Depressing, isn't it? From what my parents told me, it wasn't really 
suitable for building snowmen, because of the icy cold wind accompanying 
the snow. Maximum temperature in Christchurch yesterday and today was 3 
degrees.

This afternoon, the snow turned to slush as heavy rain fell. There has now 
been flooding as a result of the melt, and the Avon and Heathcote rivers 
have burst their banks. Very high tides have not helped the situation.

The first time I tried to ring, I got a recorded message saying that the 
lines were overloaded, but I got through the second time. The overloading, 
which has been mainly on the local circuits in Christchurch, was caused by 
the number of people trying to check up on each other, rather than by any 
failure.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Canterbury Under Snow?
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:22:09 +1200
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

And now Christchurch has no tv. Yesterday, power was cut to the Sugarloaf 
Hill TV transmitter on the Port Hills. It continued to operate on standby 
generators until early this morning, when the fuel ran out. This has cut 
off all TV transmissions to Christchurch and much of Canterbury, as well as 
the FM stations, which also transmit from there. Oh well, there was 
probably nothing worth watching, anyway, but losing half the radio stations 
as well could be a bit of a blow.

The midday radio news said that a vehicle was battling through the snow 
with more fuel, but wasn't expected to get there for some time. I heard on 
an earlier bulletin that there had been more snow overnight in 
Christchurch, but I haven't heard any more as to how heavy it was. The main 
fear at the moment seems to be flooding, especially at high tide.

Last night, Amberley Beach (about 50 km North of Christchurch) was flooded 
and people were being evacuated. I haven't heard anything much more about
that this morning. 

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From: hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Questions, please read
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:53:36 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


Hello, all you well informed fellow news readers!

At the moment, I am preparing the second edition of a Danish guide
book about New Zealand that I wrote four years ago ("New Zealand
rundt"). The publisher (and I) would like additional information
about a couple of issues, and I would like YOUR opinion on the matter
- apart from my own and from the usual looking up in books. The
questions are:

	- Who are the most (internationally) well known newzealanders,
	  such as actors, singers, authors, athletes a.s.o.? (I known
	  Ngaio Marsh, Kiri Te Kanawa, and Peter Schnell.)

	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)

And one more thing:

	- Which do you think are the best (english) guide books on New
	  Zealand? Both in general and for specific purposes, such as
	  trekking, fishing etc.? And which are the best maps?

...and off the record:

	- Is it "a guide book about New Zealand" or "a guide book on
	  New Zealand"???

If you have an opinion/knowledge about any of the above, or about
anything else that you would like to tell an amateur guide book
author, please email me - or post here if your comment is of general
interest. I'm: hgork@iesd.auc.dk

Thanking everybody in advance

Regards 'gork
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From: paulq@spider.co.uk (Paul Qualtrough)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Why does spring start so early?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:38:43 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Sep4.022420.20652@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bw@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Waldman) writes:
>Why does spring start on 1 September in N.Z.
>while it is still summer in the Northern Hemisphere?
>Canterbury snow aside, isn't this a bit jumping
>the gun?

Oh my God!  Tell all those dead New Zealand lambs that they made a big
mistake and came in winter instead of spring like we all know they're
meant to.  Obviously spring has already started.  Kiwis may be "behind
the times", but they're obviously closer to the times than the Northern
Hemispherians! ;-)

Anyone who looks at a calendar to tell them when a season starts or finishes
deserves to be working for the civil service if they aren't already!
-- 
paulq@spider.co.ukBeingPaulQualtroughOfSpiderSystemsSpiderParkStanwellStreet
EdinburghEH65NGUnitedKingdomTel+44(31)5549424ext4269(atleastforthetimebeing)
From: trdste01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: HELLO OUT THERE
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:03:49 +0200
Reply-To: TRDSTE01@UCTVAX.UCT.AC.ZA
Organization: University of Cape Town


TO ALL KIWI'S

1. Anyone interested in sending me mail, I would like to hear from you.
   I am a South African of New Zealand decent (on my mothers side) and
   most of my relatives live in New Zealand. I lived in Papatoetoe for
   three or so years befor returning to R.S.A.

2. I'm also interested in getting hold of my cousin who is studying at
   the Otagao University in Dunedin (studying at the Oriental Pub is 
   probably more acurate).

   Anybody in the area who could help, I would appreciate hearing from
   you.


THANX

STEPHEN
<TRDSTE01@UCTVAX.UCT.AC.ZA>

p.s. Well done in the RUGBY, it was an excelent game (and *clean*!).
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Canterbury Under Snow?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:48:49 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

M.Steven@uws.edu.au (Mike Steven) writes:

> An early morning phone call from family at Halkett informs me that most of
> Canterbury is waking up to find themselves buried under the heaviest snowfall
> in living memorysnow laying 1 metre deep at Darfield apparently. If any
> Cantabrians have been able to make it as far as their PC this morning could
> they post more details? Now, shall I go for another swim this morning or just
> bask in the sun with a good book!

According to the news the Square is covered in snow for the first time
in many years.  The main problem now seems to be flooding.  The snow has
come at a bad time for lambs and calves, the tv news tonight showed many
dead sheep.


From: jhaar@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.netstatus
Subject: Canterbury Down
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:39:02 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand


 As you have probably heard, we are having quite a time in the snow down
 here in Christchurch.
 
 Unfortunately, we are also having sporadic power problems... it looks
 like we won't be  able to get our servers up reliably today, so
 connectivity to the Canterbury region will be down until it isn't  ;-)
 
 As you can see, our WAN connectivity is still OK (I telnet'ted to
 Waikato to post this) - the cisco is a bit more robust than the
 servers.
 
 Cheers
 
 Jason Haar, Network Consultant
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Dame Cath Tizard and Paul Theroux
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:52:03 EDT

   I was in Singapore recently when there was an article in the Straits
Times (the local paper there) about Paul Theroux's latest book - Happy
Isles of Ocenia.  Apparantly he wrote some rather uncouth and uncalled-
for comments about Dame Cath Tizard.
   He wrote : 'Dame Cath had an odd, coarse way of eating.  She scraped
food on her fork, but before she heaved it she nudged more onto the fork
with her thumb. And after she ate the forkful she licked her thumb.'
   'Once I caught her grinning at me but she was not grinning. She was
trying to dislodge a bit of food that had found its way between her teeth,
and still talking to me and grinning, she began to pick her teeth.'
   'Having freed the food from her teeth, she glanced at it and pushed it
into her mouth.'
   This seems to be the sort of cheap journalism that Paul Theroux and
most other American writers are capable of writing when they visit
places they consider 'less developed' than the U.S.  Paul Theroux's book
certainly reveals more of himself than he may have realised.
   I am not sure if anyone has brought this up in this net during my absence.
However,  such literary sleaze should not be tolerated.
 
Gerald Cheang
Dept of Statistics
Yale University
 
Disclaimer : My views do not necessary reflect that of Yale University.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: 19 September referendum
From: cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:01:54 GMT
Organization: Dept of CompSci, U of Auckland

Michael.Norrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Norrish) writes:
>
>ii) the party doesn't have the monopoly on power that is implied by
>    the fact that parties specify party lists.

I would once have thought this a problem but have you noticed that
most MPs are elected on the basis of the party which they represent
rather than on their own merits? This means that the current selection
of MPs iis largely down to what candidates the pary puts forward in
safe seats. MMP just makes this more open and up front than it is
right now. Under MMP it is possible to vote against your 'preferred'
party in the local vote - if you don't like their candidate or
whatever and still vote for them in the national vote. A big
improvement I think.

(Someone please tell me If I'm interpreting MMP wrong!)

-- 
Oh, why didn't I listen when they said "Never do a   |  cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz 
 masters and try to have a life at the same time"?   |  clare west
                 BigSis to Chris, Eric and Kristiina
                    Official Welcomer of the RFA
Organization: Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:02:12 -0400 
From: Prithvi Rao <pr11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: skiing in new-zealand

Can someone give me an idea of thedifference in cost of skiing at
coronet peak and mt. hutt? I am interested in cost of rentals, lift
tickets etc. Thanks!

_prithvi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Dr_mackie@med.umich.edu (Don Mackie)
Subject: Re: Dame Cath Tizard and Paul Theroux
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:36:14 GMT


>In article <1992Aug24.133059.16727@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
byoung@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian Young) writes:
>
>   >   This seems to be the sort of cheap journalism that Paul Theroux and
>   >most other American writers are capable of writing when they visit
>   >places they consider 'less developed' than the U.S.  Paul Theroux's book
>   >certainly reveals more of himself than he may have realised.
>   >   I am not sure if anyone has brought this up in this net during my
absence.
>   >However,  such literary sleaze should not be tolerated.

I have read the whole book and came away with mixed feelings. It is coloured by
Theroux's marital woes. I think he writes pretty directly of his own reactions
and that may not always make for thoughtful or sensitive analysis. I was
interested that he seemed to really enjoy his time with David Lange. He was
also surprised by the king of Tonga's intelligence. Theroux harped on about how
other writers always comment on the king's weight but was himself subject to
the usual American prejudices about obesity. I have heard from others that Kath
Tizard is not all sweetness and light. I'm not hurt by Theroux's
characterisation aboyut her. Has she responded publicly?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Japanese Imports
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 16:07:46 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

davidnz@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Richard Bell) writes:

> 
> I fail to see the logic in a recent posting about Japanese imports that state
> that these cars are somehow contributing to lower safety levels on the 
> roads in NZ. The influx of imports has dramatically *lowered* the average
> age of cars on the road. Surely newer cars are "better", safer, and more
> fuel efficient than the wrecks that used to populate our roads.
 
Why should newer cars be safer? Take a look at a new japanese car and an 
older American or European car. Which has the stronger body? Which is 
less likely to crumble in a pile up? Sorry , new does not necessarily 
equate with good.
 
> 
> As for the comment about the East Germans not importing these cars, that is 
> completely irrelevant! 
> Are you trying to suggest that driving an (imported) '87 Honda in
> NZ is somehow worse than driving a Skoda or 2-stroke East German clunker 
> that the EG's have?
 
No. But if German road safty standards find a second hand Japanese car to 
be unsafe and a Skoda to be safe that says a lot. Actually both are 
unsafe.
 
> 
> Face facts, the import of second hand cars from Japan makes good economic sen
> and has in fact improved the quality/value of money of cars for the "average
> Kiwi". What's embarrassing about that?

I don't argue with the economics. It probably does improve the quality 
and value. It certainly makes sense. Yet, it sends a message to others 
overseas that this is a third world country. Maybe it doesn't. Who knows?
What do others think?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Good on you
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:14:17 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering) writes:

>Could someone please explain the New Zealand/Australian expression
>"Good on you!"?
>Does it mean: "Something good happened to you" (i.e. you were fortunate)?
>Does it mean: "You did something good" (i.e. you were clever)?
>Or perhaps both?

Both.

-- 
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Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
From: hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Why does spring start so early?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:27:10 GMT
	<1992Sep4.081518.489@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> On 4 Sep 92 08:15:18 GMT, nad@cl.cam.ac.uk (Neil Dodgson) said:

Neil> In article <1992Sep4.022420.20652@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bw@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Waldman) writes:
>Why does spring start on 1 September in N.Z.
>while it is still summer in the Northern Hemisphere?
>Canterbury snow aside, isn't this a bit jumping
>the gun?

Neil> Well I don't know about Cambridge, Massachusetts, but in Cambridge, England
Neil> Autumn started on 1st September.  By 3rd Spetember it was distinctly chilly,
Neil> and the leaves were starting to drop off the trees.  I had to wear my
Neil> jacket to work yesterday for the first time in months.  Bizarre --- how 
Neil> does the weather know that September has just started?

Neil> Neil :-)

Same in Denmark, except that the weather has been `practicing' for a
while, making most of the second half of August somewhat autumnly too.
So as far as we danes (you know, the European Champions ;-) are
concerned, it can very well be spring in NZ - at the least. Have a
nice one! >>The weather is awful; wish I was there!<<

'gork
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