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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:32:30 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>But does it take a rocket scientist to understand the practicality
>and responsibility of having children?  :_)  I think you are unaware
>of the fact that your statement contradicted your earlier one where
>you said that if you had a son, you would name him Hisham - that the
>problem was just in getting married.
> 
   I said I am an engineer not scientist -- they're different. I almost
completely agree with you. Last year when I had this sugar-lump Saudi
closefriend (I almost did not believe he was Saudi -- stereotype!)
I told him, I know I am wrong, but I can not do better why don't you
help convince me? And he managed to change my mind, but a while later
my springy mind shrank back to shape! My Saudi friend is no longer
here -- he is now in Jeddah, and others failed to stretch my mind
again -- you know the Humpty Dumpty story!

   It is an engineering compromise. On one hand, if you do your best
raising kids and you fail then chances that you are not capable of
that and you must not have done it -- your fault! On the other hand,
"la rahbaniyyata fil islam," and practically life approaches hell
especially if someone is living alone away from family and friends
-- I know what I am talking about here. Bottom line: I do not want
my negligence and irresponsibility cause anyone else (e.g. my
kids-to-be) to go to hell. It is barbaric to do this to innocent 
people. After all, if you can not guarantee you can successfully walk 
on a thin cable (or water) and all people told you: "just do your 
best," you would not do it (even if that might save your life.) But 
we are more daring when it comes to other people's lives.

   Anyway, if I do it, I do it just because I am another irresponsible
uncivilized Arab (or human being), after all someone has done it to me!

>Anisa (Ohmjihad)

**
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish
From: Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Subject: Re: Kosovo: The Next Battle Front in the Balkan
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:35:12 GMT

Kutluk writes:

"[...]Such serious is the West's commitment to the survival of Bosnians."

You shouldn't interpret this as lack of concern. But please do tell me
why countries such as the US or Germany should order their boys into
life-risking situations which neither they or their countries caused.
Hey, where is all this rhetoric anymore about the evil US trying to be
the world's policeman? Gladstone-era bullshitting gave us the fallacy of
the evil Turks and the squeaky-clean Armenians. Nagorno-Karabakh has
finally shown everyone what a lot of racist bullshit all of that was. So
now it's time to see it all happen again in Bosnia. And what clear eyes
see is that there are no good guys, just several warring tribes who all
caught the Fascist nationalist bug. So why should Americans or Germans
(or other) go in there and die for nothing?

Gruss,
Dr Bruce Scott                             The deadliest bullshit is
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik       odorless and transparent
bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de                 -- W Gibson

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From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Reason vs. Morals
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Oct4.223545.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>I agree with (dare I say it?) Martillo when he stated the driving forces of
>Western thought to be reason and humanity

Reason, maybe, but "humanity"?  What "humanity" is this that resulted in 
colonialism?  What "humanity" is this that produced a philosopher like Hobbes
who says that in the state of nature there is war between everyone and 
everyone?

>I believe that an absolute adherance to reason abolishes morals, so they can't
>co-exist, so my question is, which is right.

Well, I disagree with your premiss.  This is precisely where, I am 
convinced, the West fails and Islam succeeded.  What is your reason to 
say they can't "co-exist"?  Al-jaHeZ, the great Muslim philosopher and 
scientist, used to say "Hayat al-Hilm bi-al'ilm."  If "al-Hilm" is taken 
to represent morality, this statement could be translated to "morality thrives
with science/knowledge."  It is this idea of the oneness of morality
and science that, to me, reflects a highly civilized culture.  I really do not
measure civilization by power (derived from science).  I measure it 
by the ability to marry power/science with morality.  For example, to 
Nietzsche the ideal is the "Will to Power" i.e., to actualize one's power.
It is perfectly OK, according to his "master" morality, to crush the "slaves"
during one's will to power.  Islam, OTOH, seems to emphasize an ideal of
the self-constraint of the powerful, not merely actualizing your
power.  In fact, in Islam the more powerless those around you the more
commendable your kind treatment to them would be: "And they feed, for the 
love of God, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive, (saying), 'We feed 
you for the sake of God alone; no reward do we desire from you, nor 
thanks'" (76:8-9).

So the bottom line, Joshua, I think reason and morality meet in Islam.

Peace, Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: hashem@netcom.com (Basil Hashem)
Subject: Re: Weird Exchange! (Was Re: Large phone bill in Dubai. Help needed) 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 06:33:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom 
Reply-To: hashem@netcom.com (Basil Hashem) 


In article <3873@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
= 
= And I guess in response to your original question, ya hara hareeshak
= really doesn't have a defined definition.  It is just a common word
= among Syrians - I mean, if you say to almost any Syrian, 'ya hara
= hareeshak' - they will laugh - thinking about Ghoraar ... Hosni Afendi,
= Abu Seyah, and Abu Fahmi ... :-)  Those great actors.
Yup, but not quite, "Yihari" mean burn and "Hareeshak" comes from "harsh"
while I believe means farm (specifically one with lots of hay). It's a
variant of "Yifdah Hareemak" which is rather rude.

B'shufik ya` you ni

-- 
"I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous"
Basil Hashem
basil@netcom.com
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From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: History lesson -- A Public Apology
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:02:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


In article <11242@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@nero.clearpoint.com 
(Joachim Martillo) wrote:

>>In any case, in the unlikely
>>event that Arab or Muslim people should achieve unity (depite a
>>history of continuous and mindless internecine slaughter), 


In article <1akju0INNj05@aludra.usc.edu> I responded with:

>Such a statement betrays appalling ignorance.


While I may have been irked by Joachim's apparent tone, and the  
misinformation seemingly provided as fact by him, there was no
reason why I could not have responded in a more gracious manner.

To those on the net, I offer an apology for my failing of
character.  I fully intend to do better in the future,
insha'llah.  To Joachim I offer my sincere regrets for any hard
feelings he may have.  My intention was not to verbally abuse
you, but to correct the false ideas most of us have been taught
by those whose intentions are to deceive us.

May Allah (SWT) forgive me for my error, guard me from Shaitan, 
and help me to be a better muslim....  Amin.

-Abdul Qadir

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: Khaled J Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: How to Make Coffee. CORRECTION! CORRECTION! CORRECTION!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:15:53 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

After consulting with my wife about how to make "Turkish Coffee" (or as we call
it Arabic Coffee), I found out that I gave you the recipe of how to stay up 
for a month.

The correct amounts of sugar and coffee are as such:
     1/4 to 1/2 small spoon of sugar
     3/4 to 1 full small spoon of coffee
        {of course it depends on taste}

The rest of the information (in the previous article) are fortunatly correct.

Enjoy it and SAHTAYN.

Wa Salam
-------------------
Khaled Shammout
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:50:21 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <nabeel.717741150@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>-- I know what I am talking about here. Bottom line: I do not want
>my negligence and irresponsibility cause anyone else (e.g. my
>kids-to-be) to go to hell. It is barbaric to do this to innocent 
>people. [...]

That's why the woman is given the primary responsibility of taking care
of her children and raising them right :-).  You just have the job of
being the provider.  I don't think any man wll allow any harm to come
to his family and will try to have a little fear of his Creator to
not be negligent where they are concerned.

>   Anyway, if I do it, I do it just because I am another irresponsible
>uncivilized Arab (or human being), after all someone has done it to me!

Well, I've heard that being a parent really sharpens your awareness of
being a mature and responsible person.  I just think you need to grow
up a little more before undertaking such a role.  Perhaps you are not
ready yet, but don't totally discredit yourself or make this seem like
such a difficult burden that you cannot handle.  It is like engineering -
basic logic and practicality :-).

Anisa

	Hazrat Ibn Umar (RAA) relates that the Holy Prophet
	(SAWS) said:  'Every-one of you is a protector and
	guardian (of his immediate charge and is responsible
	for the action of those persons who are committed to
	his charge.  A ruler is also a steward and is accountable
	for those who are put under his charge) a man is steward
	in respect of his family members of his house, a woman is
	steward in respect of her husband's house and his children.
	In short everyone of you is a steward and is accountable
	for those who are placed under his care'.
					(Bukhari and Muslim)


	Hazrat Abu Hurairah (RAA) relates that the Holy Prophet
	(SAWS) said:  Of the dinar you spend in the way of Allah,
	the dinar you spend for the freedom of a slave, the dinar
	you give away in charity to the poor, and the dinar you
	spend on your wife and children, the highest in respect
	of reward is the one you spend on your family.
					(Muslim)
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Ghazal by Y. i. Mu^awiyah
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:20:28 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I will use weird character combinations to clarify pronunciation of the 
Arabic words. I hope it will be obvious shortly.
   Short vowels: a o i (e) and u (as in up), 
   Long vowels: aa oo ee uu (as a in bart)
   ^ as in  "^aib", ^t as in "^tuur", ^d as in "^duud", ^h as in "^hoot"
   ^k as in "^kaw-^k", ^g as in "^gobuur", _th as in "_tholl"
   - = mute for removing confusion.
   ^XX and _XX are used in place of ^X^X and _X_X respectively.
  
  Any suggestions are subject to approval.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Naalat ^alaa  yadiha  maa  lam  tanalho  yadee
   naqshan  ^alaa  mi^sumin  awhat  bihee  jaladee
Ka'annahoo  ^torqo  namlin   fee   anaamilihaa
   aw raw-^duton russu^at-ha  ssu-^hbu  bilbaradee
^kaafat ^alaa  yadihaa  min  nabli  moqlatihaa
   fa'albasat  zandahaa   dir^an   min   azzaradee
Insiyyaton law ra'at-ha shshamso  ma  ^tula^at
   min  ba^di  ro'yatihaa  yawman  ^alaa  a-^hadee
Sa'altoha lwusla quulat  laa  to-^garra  binaa
   man  raama  minnaa  wisuulan  maata  bilkamadee
Fakam qateelin lanaa  bil-^hubbi  maata  jawan
   min  al^guraami  falam yobdi'  wa  lam  yo^idee
Faqolto asta-^gfiro  rra-^hmaana  min  zalalin
   inna lmu-^hibba  qaleelo  ssubri  wa  l^kaladee
Qad ^kallafatnee ^taree-^han wahya  qaa'ilaton
   ta'ammaloo  kayfa  fi^lo  _ththubyi  bil'asadee
Quulat li-^tayfi ^kayaalin zaaranee wa mu-^duu
   billaahi sefho  wa  la  tunqos  wa  la  tozidee
Faquula ^kallaftohoo law maata  min  _thuma'in
   wa qolto qif  ^an  woroodi lmaa'i  lam  yaridee
Quulat sudaqta  lwafaa  fil^hubbi  sheematohoo
   yaa barda _thaaka lla_thee quulat ^alaa kabidee
Wa  starja^at  sa'alat  ^annee  faqeela   laha
   maa feehi  min  ramaqin  daqqat  yadan  biyadee
WUSTUM^TURUT LO'LO'AN MIN  NARJISIN  WA  SAQUT
   WARDAN WA ^A-^DDAT  ^ALA  L^ONNAABI  BILBARADEE
Hom ya-^hsodooni ^alaa  mawtee  fawaa  'asafee
   ^hattaa ^ala lmawti laa 'a-^kloo min al^hasadee

**
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:00:27 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep29.040049.316@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>
>Abu jle-jr!! :-) !  This is the best one!

Cute, eh?  :)

>I like the way it sounds.  But the real reason of course, is that's
>the name *I* like, after my two favorite figures of Arab History:
>'Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (Radhi Allahu 'anhu) *and* 'Umar Al-Mukhtar
>(Rahmatuallah 'alayhi) of Libya. 

You and me both.  I take it that you have seen 'The Lion In The
Desert'?  (May Allah bless him, insha'Allah)

>Sandra, Um 'Umar (insha Allah!)

Insha'amin.  I'll make duwa for you, my Sister, that you will have
little 'Umar to be the next Muslim leader in Algeria.  :^)

Anisa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ghusain@eng.umd.edu (Ibrahim Al-Ghusain)
Subject: Re: Mass Killings
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 21:28:55 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: ghusain@coke.eng.umd.edu


In article <1471800191@igc.apc.org>, awair@igc.apc.org (Arab World and Islamic Resources) writes:
>
>From: Arab World and Islamic Resources <awair>
>Subject: Mass Killings
>
> According to the 
>soldiers, U.S. military personnel dug a huge pit and ordered Iraqi
>POWs to lay down in the pit.  The U.S. military personnel were there ordered
>to bulldoze sand over the Iraqi's in the pit.  THOUSANDS of Iraqi's were
>BURRIED ALIVE.  The U.S. soldiers that took part in this were told that if
>they refused to do this, they would be shot.  The thing that makes me believe
>this is that none of the four soldiers that my friend talked to knew each
>other and he talked to them individually.
>

I am afraid your story is not accurate.  According to the Washington Post, the Iraqis died
when the trenches they were hiding in were plowed by tanks fitted with huge ploughs to 
force them to come out.  In the process some died, or  were burried alive if you may.

>
>This story is really disturbing.  

Yes, especially when you think that the bastard, SOB, @#$%&*, who put them in the 
trenches in the first place is still alive celebrating his rotten existence.!


  The reason for this is that I don't want to get snuffed out by the CIA.
>

Don't worry about the CIA.  Besides, this is not NEWS anyway.  The article I,m quoting was
 published more than 6 mosnth. ago.

Ibrahim
From: aabdalla@pollux.usc.edu (Ahmed Abd-Allah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Looking for a hadith
Date: 25 Sep 1992 23:37:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Anyone ever hear of the following paraphrased hadith?  Can you give me an
exact reference?

"So the Prophet was walking one day, and he saw some people grafting 
date palms together.  Or grafting SOMETHING together anyway to get a better
crop yield.  And for some reason, he says 'Not a good idea.'  So the
people decide to stop the grafting and go back to the old methods which
aren't as good.

Time passes.....   <whistle...>

So the Prophet comes walking by again much later, and notices that
the date garden or the SOMETHING-garden isn't doing so hot.  And he asks
'Hey what's up?'  And the owners of the SOMETHING-garden say 'Well you
said THIS so we stopped doing THAT...'  And the Prophet replies 'Only
in matters of religion am I qualified to speak on authoritatively; in
affairs of this world, my word is no better than yours.'

So the SOMETHING growers go back to grafting naturally.

The end."

******************

Sound familiar?  Disrespect NOT intended; Prophet was most easygoing, most
natural.  Where is this hadith to be found - if it IS a hadith?  Hmmm? Haa??

Ahmed Abd-Allah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:08:30 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.053233.2460031@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>>How about *uncommon* names, like Fatima or Khadija?  :-) :^} :"D
                                   ^^^^^^
                           My future daughter, insha Allah!
>
>These are uncommon, are you crazy?  About 25 girls in my school were Fatima's.
>
>jle
>
And weighing in for girls:

How about Hediya...it means "gift" as in a gift from Allah, and Allah
knows that girls are indeed a gift! :-)  You can call her Hedy, for
short...how cute.

If you don't like that, try Ute (pronounced [long "u"] UUH-teh).  Well,
I know it's not Arabic (it's German, which is the most beautiful
language :-) ), but it's my mother's name...

Sandra...Um Fatimah and Um 'Umar.
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:11:27 GMT

oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:

>  Now, to help you in your choice. What about Ibaa ?, it's non religious,
>it has a very good meaning, it's among the least commun names in Arabic. And
>very easy to write. And i think it goes well with your other son's name : 
>Nabeel (yes, i like my name, and i think my father did well, any objection>:-) ?).

Not really, but if you insist ... let's see ...

The codition was: "Easy to write and pronounce in English." It
is easy to write I-b-a-a, but not easy to pronounce in English;
it is most likely to be pronounced "I bay" or by the best
"Eeba," there is no hamza in English. Canadians think that my
last name is pronounced Guzleen because I use "aa." By the
way, my last name should be spelled Ghizlaan, but country
people pronounce it ^gozlaan, so I went with pronunciation.
Probably my grand...grandfather was the famous Ubbasid lady
singer Ghizlan!

Now the meaning: What do you mean a good meaning by today's
standards "Ibaa' wu shamam" means stubbornness and arrogance,
what is nice about it? And old-days-wise, if the name will
have any sense, you restrict the boy to have to become a real
man (which is unlikely) or a hypocrite, why not give him a
flexible meaning. Now if I act like a devil, it does not
contradict my name meaning. By the way, do you know the meaning
of my name? I know most Arabs don't, let's see how good at
Arabic you are.

Not too common, probably because it is not so nice a name in the 
first place.

Don't blame me; you asked for it.

   "Laa ta-^hqiranna su-^geeran fee mo-^kuusumatin
            inna lba^oo-^duta todmee moqlata l'asadee"


**Abul-Balabil   Wherever they are and then some!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Subject: Re: 2 dead on Saudi/Qatari Border Dispute Yesterday.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:07:51 GMT


Yeah just another example to the world of Arab and Islamic unity.
  We just never learn do we. Every time just blame the west and talk about
  our victories 500 years ago.



 laters


             ___
 Lahori (LHL 111 ) Poond
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:36:29 GMT

marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>	Could you explain what do you mean by " We as Arabs
>	when fallin in love, forget our names!". Are you
>	suggesting that we arabs must only get married with
>	arabs? Is that in accord with the Qram? 

 Of course, not. I meant that when Arabs fall in love, they 
fall BIG!
   Koran or Islam never advocated Arabs being a closed class on
marriage or any other nationality being so. It just advised
Muslims of marrying other Muslims or Jew/Christian Muhsanaat
(i.e. free, not fornicated, monotheist.) Some scholars say that
was a special time limited offer but now Muslim women are all
over the place. Myself, I have a problem in deciding whether
to-day Christians pass the bill as ahl-kitab that they believe
in Trinity. Everyone lies on his/her/its favourite side.


** *Tullit izzaina w sha^ruu *taayir ^ala *kaddaa ...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
Subject: Re: Clinton and the Mideast
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.154922.17606@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes:
>
>>astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>>In defence of israeli occupation of Lebanon..
>>>faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
>>In defence of the SYrian government..
>
>>Sorry to intervene here, but it is obvious that you are both right
>>in your criticism of Syria and Israel (respectively) but you are wrong
>>on your defence of your side..
>
>>The Israeli government is very hungry for territory and history
>>has shown that they do not relinquish any Land unless they are
>>forced to do so (either by a superior force as was the case for
>>Sinai in 1956 and in 1978, by Eisonhower and Carter respectively,
>>or by local resistance as was the case in Lebanon in 1985.
>
>How about in 1967, when Israel offered to return virtually all the
>captured land in return for peace 

No such offer has ever been made.  You and Feigen have been repeating 
this crap ad nauseam.   You have been asked to provide any shred of
evidence for this so-called "offer to returen all the captured land",
and you have failed to do that.   So, again,  put up or shut up.

Once Stein comes back to reality, I would like for him to show 
us evidence of this famous "offer."  Until further notice, the 
"offer" Stein is referring to is a figment of his imagination.  
It has never existed in the real world.

Rest deleted.

-Waleed

-=-
"We must expel the Arabs and take their places."
	David Ben-Gurion, October 1937.