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From: schuster@shpptl.edag.ptdg.sharp.co.jp (Bernd SCHUSTER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: neue PLZ fuer Passau gesucht
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:30:58 GMT
Organization: Production Technology Lab., SHARP Corp., Tenri, Nara, Japan

Ohaio gozaimasu!

Ich bin hier in Japan fuer ein halbes Jahr und soll
in den naechsten Tagen businesscards bekommen, die
hier wirklich wichtig sind. Ueblicherweise bin ich
an der Uni Passau und die will ich auch als Kontakt-
adresse angeben. Das Problem ist nun, dass in Germany
neue PLZs eingefuehrt werden. Koennte mir jemand die
neue PLZ fuer Passau mitteilen? Wenn ja, dann sollte
er/sie das tun. Entweder posten oder per email. Aber
bitte sobald als moeglich. Wenn es noch keine Info
ueber die neuen Zahlen gibt, dann koennt ihr das ja posten.

Willkommen im Jahr des Huhns (hier schon ab 1.1.,
richtigerweise aber erst ab Ende des Monats, um
den 23.1.).

Thanx

Bernd Schuster
Sharp Corporation
Tenri-Nara 632, Japan

schuster@edag.ptdl.sharp.co.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mellissa Namazi)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:07:19 GMT

Just a few thoughts on this subject.

First, as an American who (briefly) studied Persian literature, I
can say that appreciation for the brillance of Ferdowsi's Shahname
is not due to "national pride".  It is truely one of the masterpieces
of world literature.  The characters and situations presented in
the work are psychologically and socially complex.  One of the main
reasons this has not been recognized in the West is becasue there
are only two English translations of the work and both are badly
editied and presented (compare Homer who enjoys great respect in
the West).

The view that the Shahname was written to glorify kingship is
also mistaken.  Ferdowsi often critisizes Persian kings and uses
the stories to explore the nature of absolute power, among other
issues.  (See "Epic and Sedition, The Case of Ferdowsi's Shahname"
by Dick (Richard) Davis).

Finally, I enjoy the listings of Persian words.  I do not have
time to read Persian now (It is no longer part of my studies) and
it is good to refresh my memory.

Regards

Mellissa Namazi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:51:40 GMT

NTH, Dep. Inorganic Chemistry,7034,Trondheim,Norway (Ramin G. Shamsili) writes:

 [**** some of the lines are deleted by Haji ****]

: After almost two months being absent from the soc.culture.iranian.classes,I 
: finally made it back from the hospital,looked at the interesting articles
: which my wife had saved for me, and the latest articles. It seems that 2.
: episode of+smortaz+s ET story will not come up soon unless he gets the kabAb 
: from HAji!!
: Well, here are some suggestions to make your kabAb more tasty!
: 
Slam Ramin Aziz:
Bah, Bah. That was a very nice recipe and thank you so much. I love your
recipe and I will try your stuff too. I hope you feel better and very
happy to see you back on the force. Keep up the good spirit and eat more
and more chelokabob.

Haji Firoz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Report: U.S. insists Pakistan prove it's not backing terrorists 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:31:19 GMT


	ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- The United States has given Pakistain 180
days to prove it is not promoting international terrorism, or else face
weapons and trade sanctions, a report in Islamabad said Saturday.
	Pakistani Foreign Secretary Shaharyar Khan told The News, an
independent newspaper, that U.S. Ambassador John Manjo delivered the
ultimatum Thursday.
	The newspaper said Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Syeda
Abida Hussain, was called to the State Department the same day and told
of the warning by Arnold Kanter, the assistant secretary of state.
	If Pakistan cannot prove its innocence, it risks being placed on a
State Department list of terrorist states and could to face arms and
trade sanctions and other punitive actions, diplomatic sources said in
Islamabad.
	``The more important fact is that Pakistan is not on the list yet and
the Clinton administration will now decide upon the issue within the
next four months,'' Khan said.
	Washington has objected to Pakistan's support for Kashmiri insurgents
fighting for independence from India.
	Pakistan claims it provides only political and diplomatic support to
the fighters, and not material help, as India claims.
	But British Home Secretary Kenneth Clarke told a news conference in
Islamabad earlier this week he believed the Pakistani government was
also giving material support to the fighters.


"Copyright 1993 by <UPI/Newsbytes>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:24:22 GMT

In <ll0vppINNq63@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
Heres a more important question (for
>all): do you really think these methods of punishment that the
>fundamentalist interpretation of islam prescribes (cuting of hands,
>whiping, stoning, etc) are really effective?

It is not a matter of thinking that they are effective or not effective.
Just compare the rate of crime in any country where you think that the
law is effective with a country where you think that they apply the
Islamic law as interpreted by fundamentalists, then tell us what you
think.

Ahmed
-- 
Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
Tel: office: +353-1-7021524,  Home: +353-1-937402.
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Babak Sehari
Subject: IRAN-IRAQ WAR MINES KILL EIGHT IRANIANS 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:40:15 GMT


---
 IRAN-IRAQ WAR MINES KILL EIGHT IRANIANS 
    NICOSIA, Jan 6, Reuter - Mines planted during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war
have killed at least eight Iranian herdsmen in the past two weeks, Iran's IRNA
news agency said. 
    The latest victim was a 16-year-old tribesman. He stepped on a mine on
Tuesday while grazing sheep in a prohibited border zone in Iran's Ilam province
about 560 km (350 miles) southwest of Tehran, it said. 
 REUTER MZ DJG 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: rt@iastate.edu
Subject: Test 
Keywords: Test
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:59:08 GMT

This is a test.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Organization: DoubleTalk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:38:02 GMT

Dear AghA Behzad:

I see you managed to turn a so-called boring discussion into a lively and
informative one.  Congratulations!

I am learning more informative views about shAh-nAmeh besides few "bimosama"
[(c) A Math Teacher, 135?] names.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: derek@locus.com (Dariush Keyani-Yazdi)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:38:31 GMT

I wrote:
[Responding to Behzad who thought Shahnameh is 
 "a bunch of deceptions and lies."]

>>Shahnameh is mythical stories in an epic setting that serve a
>>special purpose in the long term life of a people by safekeeping and
>>tranferring the culture from generation to generation.

To which Naghmeh responds:

>What I find interesting in this exchange of ideas over Shahnameh is the
>unquestioning "faith" that almost everyone has towards this book.  What Dariush
>calls "mythical stories in an epic setting" does not outrule Behzad's claim 
>that it is a bunch of lies, it also doesn't mean that this "culture" that's 
>being passed from generation to generation as Daiush says, does not contain
>lies and deceptions.  

	[Other interesting and valid observations from Naghmeh
	 which we can talk about in a future post.]

Naghmeh raises several good points. I am not a Shahnameh expert, nor 
a Shahnameh bigot. Although I agree with Naghmeh that many people
have unquestioning "faith" about Shahnameh, I am delighted to be in the
same group as Naghmeh: I do not have unquestioning "faith" about *anything*.

I appreciate Persian literature and I have read a few stories from Shahnameh.
I have also had access to a few experts and a few good books about Shahnameh.
I further have resolved that my opinions about anything are flexible, and
engane in these kinds of discussions not to confirm what I know, but to
question them and get a better perspective on the issues.

Clement Huart in his "Ancient Persia and Iranian Civilization" writes:

"By the side of its real history Persia has a mythical history in
which, by unconscious euhemerism, ancient abstractions and dieties
have been transformed into princes of this real world." 

In other words, Shahnameh should be read with this understanding that
it is a mythological system where myths are constituted and arranged as
having foundation on traditional accounts of real people and events. This
does not make them lies or deceptions, it makes them human, it makes them
memorable, it makes them stories which are not in the realm of time and
space...it makes them myths. And as such they are open to misunderstanding
and misinterpretation. Ferdowsi, himself foresaw this and warns us in
Shahnameh:

	to een rA doroogh-o fesAneh madAn
		be-yeksAn ravesh dar zamAneh madAn
	az-oo har-cheh andar khorad bA kherad
		degar bar rah-e ramz-o ma'ni barad

[Sorry, I've lost my copy of gerdsooz ;)]

Free translation:

	Do not consider these stories fairy tails or lies,
	Do not believe that is the only way to interpret them.

	Some of these stories are factual and 
		your rational mind can easily understand them,
	The rest you should interpret and understand symbolically.

--

Dariush Keyani

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:39:50 GMT


>However, Naghmeh should be pure Persian.  It is a noun and in many poems
>you might encounter with this word.  Also many Iranian girls have this name.  


>>Dear Zamie,

>>Naghmeh is an Arabic word. 
>>As for many "Iranian girls" having this name, well, many Iranian boys are
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>named Asghar...is that "Pure Persian" too?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>naghmeh

Dear Naghmeh:

But of course not!  If you are implying "Naghmeh" is an Arabic word, I
guess it is and thank you for pointing that out.

Anyway, other synonym words for "Naghmeh" are probably:

Nava
Avaz
Ahang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:11283 soc.culture.arabic:6371
From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Question about rape
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:18:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian

<9301070105.AA05389@apollo3.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian):
                                          
>"The only duty religion requires of a married woman is
>submitting to sexual relations with the husband," she said.

	I don't understand.  How often does the woman have to
	submit?  What if she is only rarely in the mood?

	I have also a hypothetical question.  Two Muslim
	women were raped today on different streets in the
	city. One was wearing the hijab, the other
	western dress and lipstick.  Would (should?) both
	rapists receive equally severe punishment?


-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
From: CT.MMJ@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michelle Jahanpour)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Cultural question about death
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:38:26 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

I have, what I think, is a cultural question about death and
grieving.  My husband's mother died in Iran two months ago.
My husband was told of this on New Years Eve!  Why would his family
back in Iran keep this information from him for such a long time?
Thank you for any observations.  Also, can anyone suggest ways to
deal with a grieving person via Persian culture?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farshid@baum.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Farshid Ketabchi)
Subject: SIP Poetry and Music Night
Keywords: traditional music, poetry, SIP
Organization: Bellcore, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:46:29 GMT

Last Monday, Jan 4th, I attended the SIP's (Society of Iranian
Professionals) poetry and music program in Sunnyvale, CA.  It was
an excellent literary and cultural program.  There were readings
and performances by numerous talented poets and musicians and I
really enjoyed it.  My regards and thanks to the organizers and
the contributers of the program.

I'm really tempted to sign up for their upcoming ski trip in Lake
Taho. Only if I could get away from work for a day or two.  Anyone
from SCI is going on the trip?  Anybody knows anything about the ski
resort they're going to?  Squaw Valley (sp?)?  Could one join them
only for part of the four days? ...

Now more than ever I wish I was in California.  Rats! :|

Farshid

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:11373 soc.culture.arabic:6430
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:55:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

on punishment for rape in islam babak writes:

>>2. If He is unmarried, the punishment is 80 whip.

ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) corrects him:

>Second: Even for adultary that you may be referring to , 
>the punishment mentioned in (2) of 80 stripes is not correct. 
>It is 100 stripes.

80 times, 100 times... who cares!  heres a more important question (for
all): do you really think these methods of punishment that the
fundamentalist interpretation of islam prescribes (cuting of hands,
whiping, stoning, etc) are really effective?

ps im sure that the MAME people agree that its 100, not 80 whips.

(MAME: Masochist American Moslems Enterprise)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Subject: Iran to get loans from Japan
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:59:51 GMT

From: Japan Times, Jan. 12, 1993
--------------------------------------------------------------
   
Iran to get loans but not lump sum
                 
By Hisane Masaki
Staff writer
            
Japan will provide official yen loans to Iran, the first such
loans extended to the country after an 18-year freeze, in as
many installments as possible, government sources said Monday.
           
. . . . .
           
Japan regards Iran's decision to sign an international treaty
this week in Paris banning the production, stockpiling and use
of chemical arms and its slower growth plan for military
spending this year as positive developments, the sources said.
            
. . . . .
              
--------------------------------------------------------------
   
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
                           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: soltanir@zeus.franklin.edu (Bahram Soltanirad)
Subject: Re: Tajikistan
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:01:40 GMT


testing
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Haji's test [sci-poster]
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:29:57 GMT

smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
: In article <lkmsrjINN9ik@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
: >
: 
: i just posted a small writeup on it...  but, as someone who
: posts semi-anonymously and has access to sci, why would you 
: want to use sci-poster?!  

Salam Mash Shahrokh:
Thank you for reply. I do not need the sci-poster to post my stuff but I was
wondering how your side is working. I have access to Inews, Pnews and several
other utilities and I wanted to find out what you are doing in other side.

: 
: e-mail arrives at one of the aliases.  each one invokes the
: sci-poster with appropriate parameters.  the script filters
: some stuff, adds some stuff, builds a msg and calls inews
: to post the article.  simple stuff even a persian cat could do...

Good work. It works very much like that here where I am working now but it
is little bit different than what you have done on sci-poster. I have seen
most of the scripts and since I like software I wanted to see your sci-poster
with my own Haji's test. I am happy to see that you have created this software
for people who can not post to the SCI.

Did you know that some persian cats go to school for this simple stuff?.

: 
: meow.

bark bark bark bark.
How about a Persian sak (dog)?.

Have a nice day

Haji
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRANIAN MULLAHS ENTER COMPUTER AGE
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:11:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

[second try...]

In article <babak.726615138@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu> Babak Sehari writes:
>
> IRANIAN MULLAHS ENTER COMPUTER AGE 
>    NICOSIA, Jan 6, Reuter - Three thousand Iranian mullahs have been trained
>to use computers for research in Islamic sciences, Iran's IRNA news agency said
>on Wednesday. 
>    Taha Hashemi, director of a centre introducing computers to theological
>schools in Iran's main centre of Shi'ite Moslem learning of Qom, told IRNA it
>planned to link up with international computer-based information networks. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

oh boy oh boy!  mullahs get access to internet, sci, ...

pssst.  Shhhh!  ... if you want to get rich quick, dash to your
nearest Smith Barney branch office and buy a whole bunch of Notgheh
MajjAni, Inc stocks.  

as their commericals say, 'earn money the old fashioned way': 
inherit it after they kill me!

...isnt this truly sad though?  

consider this the begining of the end for the first & last forum where
iranians from all walks of life and idealogies could openly share and
exchange ideas...
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: HELP! Need To Send Urgent Letter To Tehran
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:59:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <Jan.11.11.51.45.1993.18840@gandalf.rutgers.edu> hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin) writes:

>I have an important letter which I must get to my parents by the end
>of this week. Please if anyone is going, let me know. BTW, I livein New Jersey.

once i was in the same situation and my transcripts needed to be
in iran in two days.  i called lufthansa, got their flight information,
went to the airport, sure enough found an iranian lady who was to going
to tehran, explained the situation, and poof... she arrived in tehran,
called my brother and he went over and picked them up.

ive also sent a package to tehran via fedex.  it takes 4 to 5 days and
isnt outrageously expensive.  they deliver right to your door.

>
>Thanks,

youre welcome...

>
>ShAhin
   ^
   |

ah... a most convincing case for the proper use of a vs A!
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRANIAN MULLAHS ENTER COMPUTER AGE
Date: 10 Jan 1993 08:24:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <babak.726615138@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu> Babak Sehari writes:

> IRANIAN MULLAHS ENTER COMPUTER AGE 
...
>    Taha Hashemi, director of a centre introducing computers to theological
>schools in Iran's main centre of Shi'ite Moslem learning of Qom, told IRNA it
>planned to link up with international computer-based information networks. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

well, isnt that niiiice.  mullahs get access to internet and sci... 

pssst... if you want to get rich fast, beat the crowd and rush to your
nearest Smith Barney office and buy some 'Notgheh MajjAni Inc.' stock
*now*!  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:26:21 GMT

smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
: In article <1993Jan11.214856.29266@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
: 
: [ haji firooz's detailed receipe deleted ].
: 
: haji, i am droooooooling!  khodaa begam chikaaret koneh!  i havent
: had a home-cooked kabob looleh (as we ahvaazis call it) since the
: continents started drifting apart...

slam mash Shahrokh,
na_ra_hat na_sho chizy ni_st ba_yad 20 daf_eh chelokabob bezany ta ha_let
khob sheh.

: 
: if i remember correctly, you offered me a chelo kabob in one of your
: recent posts (dont deny it cuz i can go and dig it up!).  was that just
: taa'aarof or did you mean it???  if you invite me over, i promise to 
: write a nice review on sci for you.  you dont have to tell me your
: real name either!  ill just call you haji.  tell you what, you can cook
: at my place.  we have a couple of big manghals.

Yes, yes. My offer is still valid and I will give you chelokabob just like
I gave some other ba_hal people. Let's meet at Caspian and I pay for the
chelokabob and you pay for your Pepsi. After that we can set up some time to
eat Haji's kabob in my place or in your place. How do you like that?.

I can tell you my true identity but I do not know how you are going to recognize
me. Here is what I look alike so you know when you see me: 
If you see me from front I look just like Haji Firoz.
If you see me from the back I look just like Tom Cruze.
if you see me from left side I look just like Behroz Vosoghy.
if you see me from right side I look just like Fardyn.

Do you think this is enough for my identity?.

: 
: Ashpazkhooneh by shahrokh,
: kabob by haji firooz,
: polo by ralph loren!

If I am not wrong is this the same Ralph who was getting straight X on playing
bowlling on Ali Companians's birthday last Sunday?.

: 
: >I hope I made your day. 
: 
: you sure did!

you are welcome.

Haji
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian