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From: sieh@panix.com (Kraft Cheese Singles)
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:41:04 GMT

In article <C0E14x.43L@world.std.com> afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung) 
writes:
>If the Chinese and the Muslim (Persian) were to be the dominant cultures of
>the next millennium, that would be a first in the history of human
>civilization. Hitherto, there has not been a culture that can be
>rejuvinated after a decline.
>
>It is probably more likely that these two once prominent cultures will follow
>the examples of the other distinguish cultures - the Byzantine, the Hellenic,
>the Roman ...., in spite of our best wishes.

It depends on what you mean by "rejuvenated".  In the strict sense of the 
word, it's true that once great cultures such as the Hellenic, Roman, Egyptian
after their decline never enjoyed the dominance that it once did.  

However, in the case of the Greco-Roman culture, it did enjoy a Renaissance
period much later in which the Roman and Greek arts, literature, science were
renewed.  In this sense, it can be said that this "culture" was "rejuvenated".

As for the Chinese case, I would say that in its long history, there were in
fact periods of decline and renewal of "classical" Chinese culture (inclusive).
It's a bit difficult I suppose to say for sure whether or not a certain
culture is on the rise or on the decline in this day and age.  IMO, the Maoist
era of the Communist regime was certainly a low point in Chinese culture and
history.
-- 
//Lui Sieh		|How seldom we weigh our neighbor in the same
Mail-to: sieh@panix.com |balance with ourselves. -- Thomas A. Kempis
Disclaimer: These are my opinions...but others may share them as well

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33981 misc.invest:15749
From: shag@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,misc.invest
Subject: Re: ~~~~~~~ REAGAN VOTED FOR CLINTON ? ~~~~~~~
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:19:59 GMT
Organization: Organization?  You must be kidding.
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1993Jan5.194048.9611@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
> 
> 	Yes, used-to-be President Reagan voted for Bill Clinton in the recent
> election.  Reasons are simple: (1). Reagan does not like Bush anymore; (2)
> Clinton visited Reagan in Southern California before the election.
> 
> 	Supprise?  This is what the Salt Lake Tribune reported.
> 
> JLi

What does this have to do with China or investing?

Shag

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From: abc@def.ghi.jkl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:17:35 GMT
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
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Organiztion: none

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Keywords: Terrible conclusion
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na 
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:59:42 GMT

In article <lkrh9aINNiuj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.003139.16813@mtu.edu> qye@next5 (QIAN YE) writes:
>>> 
>>That is a really horrible things. But however, there is tradition of  
>>eating human's meat in some area in China. Even in some developed area.
>> In 1940's, My grandfather denoted his fresh of his leg to his father when  
>>his father was ill seriously. It is said that his father would be well if  
>>his son denoted fresh. So i think in some undeveloped area like GuangXi,  
>>people don't think that eating human's meat is so bad.
>
>CCP supporters, your time has come and your turn to donate your flesh
>is coming soon. Your hope on CCP will turn out to donate your own meat.
>
what does this mean?

I think the real problem is that all people went crazy during CR, and
everyone shares the blames, not only the ccp politicans, afterall,
it's the people who beat each other up absolutely no good reason,
you can't blame all the thrid Reich problem on Hilter, the german
people went along with it, and a lot of them voluntarily.  Germans
was much better educated than chinese, so do the people shooting each other 
and raping each other's wifes & daughterS in ex-Yugoslavia and in some areasi
of ex-USSR, i feel very sad, when do we ever learn the lesson?  it looks like
we always forget and have to relearn it every decade or so.  
>
and another point, while shocking eating human flesh was not totally
unheard of in Chinese history, earliest probably be Qi2 Huan2 gong1,
one of his evil ministers killed & cooked his own son and
serve to the King, i don't think Qi2 Huan2 Gong1 initially knew
what he was eating though.  And sons cutting a piece of themselves
to "cure"(sic!) their father's illness happened before.    

and during famines in chinese history cannibalism did pop up several
times, particularly in during the turmoil in late Ming, the scenes 
describled were horrible!  during Tang dynasty Zhang Xun and Xu Yuan 
was seiged by the "An Shi" rebels in a gateway city to southern YangZi
area(I forgot which city). after they ran out of food, rats, 
etc in the city, i think Zhang Xun's wife offered her body and commited
suicide for the defenders of the city(Argh!!!  the city defended all
got killed later by the rebels however because of their efforts the 
entire southern china was spared war & turmoil)  and "eating one's enemy's 
flesh" was not unheard of as someone posted about in GuangXi, which 
has very little to do with CCP or politics or repression, rather
than the craziness and stupidity of the people, i can only say that
the savage nature of certain people got hold of them.  

anyway this is all very sick, a very sick discussion.  
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: weapon sales to Taiwan
Keywords: weapons, Taiwan
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <mvdvalk.726398361@rhone>, mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes...
>Dear netters,
> 
>this is a followup to an abitrary response in the tiny debate about Taiwanese
>arms sales.
> 
>Reading your valued opinions about this matter, reveals that many Taiwanese
>that responded don't seem to mind that ``farmer boys in Taiwan would kill
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>farmer boys in China'' would their respective governments tell them to do so...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 

*** Farmer boys in Taiwan will never kill farmer boys in Mainland unless the 
later want to kill the former first. Contrary to what you said, farmer boys
in Taiwan would like to help farmer boys in mainland getting rich and getting
rid of totalitarian control like what they have gradually won over the past
decades. Taiwanese military forces are no longer controlled by a specific
individual and their only target is the INVADING FORCES. If a bandit 
brain-washed your cousin and oder him to fire at your family, would you fire
back or turn your family to the control of the bandit?   


>Anyway, my country, the Netherlands, is often asked by the Taiwanese government
>to sell them submarines. We have been involved in a sale 10 years ago, leading
>to severe diplomatic problems with the Mainland. At this moment, nobody likes
>to burn his/her fingers again and any new deals are off. 
>This is why I got interested in the matter in the first place.

*** So, as a result, any new incomes derived from the sales are off also.

> 
>About my conspiracy/paranoid ideas about another Sino-Japanese war. My point
>is, and it is very clear I believe, that Japanese economic supremacy in the
>Pacific will decrease in favour of Mainland China. The question is: will Japan
>ignore this or will they take action to prevent it.
> 
>My answer is that it is conceivable that they will take ``necessary steps''.
>My next question is: will these steps be military or otherwise. Well, I would
>not be suprised in the least, if they would use military force again, as they
>have done so many times in the past.
> 
>So, they will need some proper reason for starting a war. They can't just say
>to the UN: well, we're going to rob China blind again, like we did the last
>two times. They will have to have a real excuse...

*** Give me a break . China is one of the major nuk powers in the world now. I 
really don't understand why Japanese would look for a real excuse to commit
a suicide.



> 
>Yours sincerely,
> 
>Martijn
> 
>--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: Joan Chen naked GIFs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:46:40 GMT

Would you feel offended if I had asked for non-naked GIFs of Joan Chen.
Hey...isn't this CULTURE.CHINA.  And if Joan Chen isnt CULTURE....what is?

Come on....chill out.
From: anon.121@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: when china wakes
Date: 5 Jan 1993 03:32:32 +1030
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
Reply-To: anon.121@pax.tpa.com.au
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lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>I don't think freedom of speech should be blamed for the violence, but
>deep-rooted desire for power. Mao only used such desire as a vehicle
>to move mass. Without desire for power, freedom of speech won't yield
>violence, like on SCC.

It cannot be more obvious that D-fighters *are fighting for power*. 
They have no less `desire for power' than `mass'. So obviously they will 
resort to violence. On SCC, people get involved in `war of words' so
frequently that anyone can draw the following conclusion safely: if
D-fighters once have the power they claim they desirve, the first thing
they'll do will be sending their opponents to prison, just as Mao did
to Chinese intellectuals in the 50s' and 60s'.

We saw this before: During May and June of 1989, the so-called D-leaders
on TAM square would not listen to anyone whose view is different than 
theirs, they behave without sense of responsibility like spoiled children. 
The only thing they are interested in are power, power to do what they 
want. They don't know much about democracy. Nor do the Chinese people 
- so they don't desirve it. 

D-fighters wish China follow the example of the former CCCP; I hate it.





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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Re: Joan Chen naked GIFs
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:55:14 GMT

jturley@netcom.com (James Turley) writes:

>Whats a matter guys...you thought I was *offering* the GIFs or just
>are insulted that I'm requesting naked GIFs of Chinese girls here.
>
>What gives?
>Chill out.

What matters is that the question is inappropriate and stupid.
I'm not surprised that some netters are offended by this :
- One does not ask for naked pictures of just anybody -- I'm sure
  some British would be offended if you ask them for naked
  pictures of, say, a royal subject (maybe this is not a good
  analogy after Fergie's recent fiasco :-) ) 
- What you could ask in alt.sex.pictures or the like does not
  mean that you should ask in SCC
Of course the ultimate insult is on the one who asked the
offensive question for his insensitivity and pig-headedness.

Cheers.
Daniel (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:10:47 GMT


Don't be so sure. The primitive lives may start from there after. Then
after thousands of thousands years, the new generations might study
the age of human beings.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Performing art group in Morgantown
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:37:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Please post the following msg for me to soc.cul.china.  Thanks.

============================

A performing art group from China will visit Morgantown, WV on 1/9/93.
I just called the PRC Consulate General in New York City and was told
the performance was superb.
Having been in the States for long, I can's recite the names of the
stars.
However, I was told the 8 member group consists of national/international 
award winners in singing, dancing, instrumental music and comedy (xiang-sheng) 
in recent years.  

See the details on the show if you are interested going:

When: 	7:00pm, 1/9/93, Saturday

Where:	Auditorium, Morgantown High School, 
	109 Wilson Avenue,
	Morgantown, West Virginia
	
	How to get there:  Morgantown is near the crossroads of interstates
		79 and 68.  
	Now suppose you are on I68, take the University Ave Exit.
	Go through two lights, turn right on the third light.
	Go through two lights, pass a bridge, stay in the right lane,
		turn right on the stop sign.
	Go to the next stop sign, turn right, then you are there.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: connection to China
From: mshih@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:23:43 GMT
Reply-To: mshih@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

Could someone tell me how to access the Zehjing University in Hangzou, China
via the Internet or Bitnet?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:56:50 GMT

In article <C0Ctwy.F1w@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <93004.090512YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>>> CCP is China's hope.
>>
>>I totally agree with you!
>As it required courage to disgree with CCP and express it in the past when the
>political climate was not so forgiving when we were in China, it requires
>courage to agree with CCP too now. The key should be weather CCP's policy
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
   (stuff deleted)

Are you sure?  A more natural explanation is that to agree with CCP now
here in the US requirs nothing.  Well, not exactly. It may require
certain personal interests, it may require a green card, it may require
an oblivion of the horrible past, it may require instructions, the vary
last thing it requires is courage, Cannot see how that can be bragged about


>chunde
>. 
>

Xiaoyong Chai
U of Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wja@math.psu.edu (Jianan Wu)
Subject: Re: Find someone in Memphis State University
Keywords: none
Organization: Chinese Basketball Club, The Pennsylvania State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:50:40 GMT

In article <2B44A20A.29105@news.service.uci.edu> xhu@pappus.ss.uci.edu (Xiangen Hu) writes:
>
>
>
>If you are not in Memphis State University, please ignore this.
>
>
>
>
>I will have a job interview in Memphis State University, and I would like to know something (from the point of view of a Chinese student) about the university, the city in general. If possible, I would like to talk (via e-mail) with the Chinese Students a
>nd Scholars Association in Memphis State University. 
>
>
>        Thanks and Happy New Year! 
>
>

I am not from MSU, but I do wish you "GOOD LUCK!".

--Jianan



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Religious conflict in India
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  7 JAN 93 12:50:32    


In article <1ihiqmINN85j@hsc.usc.edu>, elien@hsc.usc.edu (Dim Soon E. Lien) writes...
>In article <1993Jan5.193548.15566@bnr.ca> uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:

> 
>Buddha must leave India because he teach respect and peace.  Indian not
>listen to teaching and make Buddha leave.  If you not want peace you fight
>forever on net and in India.  Indian student should learn Buddhism.  Make
>them fight less and work more in laboratory.
> 
>Dim Soon E. Lien

	Hey, why you guys are killing Buddhists in Tibet? We Indians are
	taking them back. Being good, morally and ethically, is no good. 
	Actions are important than showing off so called 'respect'. People
	have emotions that is why they react the way they do. There is no
	cultural influence. This is our way of talking. It doesn't mean
	that we want to kill each other like the Chinese are doing to
	our brothers in Tibet.

	I am assuming that you are a Chinese.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Lo Han Kuo beverage and fruit, what are they?
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:16:08 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland


Is there an English/Latin name for Lo Han Kuo fruit, which is used in
manufacturing the Lo Han Kuo beverage cubes?

I think it's extremely funny that the stuff smells like meat soup ;-)

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From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:00:16 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <106284@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>You are certainly welcome!!! If you convinced me that there is something
>MaoDun in my message, I ceratinly will donate to SOS as my "Wang Yang Bu
>Lao" for next generation. How about yourself?

I will not.
>
>Where is your "Jiang1" from? This proverb has several acceptable
>expressions:
>
>Yi3 (or Jiang1) zi3 zhi1 mao2
>Gong (or Xian) zi3 zhi1 dun
>
>But what do you mean by Yi2 zi3 zhi1 mao2, Jiang1 zi3 zhi1 deng2?
>Kind to explain? This is only a small example how important education
>is. I suggest you to follow other netters, do something helpful.

Mine is from my own invention and I feel it is proper. You can say 
what you want, just not telling others that I am also included 
for the "SOS" and raise your iliterate figure..
>
>Thanks in advance.

Thank you for your understanding.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune)
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:04:57 GMT

In article <ROTEN.93Jan6115921@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
>In article <C0E14x.43L@world.std.com> afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung) 
>writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan2.013943.14016@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
>>lee@umunhum.stanford.edu (Fung Fung Lee) writes:
>>>In article <C06xyJ.5pp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
>>>achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jupiter) writes:
>>>>
>>>>My guess is that the other major power would be Brazil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>The other new great power was the oil-rich Muslims.
>>>
>>>-FFL
>
>>Very interesting articles.
>
>>If the Chinese and the Muslim (Persian) were to be the dominant cultures of
>>the next millennium, that would be a first in the history of human
>>civilization. Hitherto, there has not been a culture that can be
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>rejuvinated after a decline.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Sorry, but you are wrong.  
>
>The Bronze Age Hellenic civilization in the Mediterrainian Basin 
>underwent a _sharp_ decline, indeed a Dark Age, beginning at about 1200 
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>BC, which had settled in quite thoroughly by 1100 BC.  This period was 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>marked by severe and destructive wars between city-states, piracy, etc.  
>Many of the great city-states of the day, such as Mycenae, _never_ 
>recovered.  The causes of this collapse are still unclear.  Mycenae was 
>not the only casualty.  The Hittite civilization vanished, never to 
>return.  And Egypt was hard-pressed, though it held out.  
>
>And I believe what happened to Hellenistic culture between 700 BC and 500 
>BC could be called a 'rejuvenation' without risk of misstatement.  :-)  
>
>

So it took approximately 500 years (from 1200 BC to 700 BC) from 
the onset of the "Dark Ages" before "rejuvenation" began in 700 BC.

If we assume that China's "Dark Ages" began with the collapse of
the Ching Dynasty, then we have to wait 400 more years before
"rejuvination".

By that time it will be Star Trek the next next next generation.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Test ! 
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 11:41:45 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liu@vision(John Liu)
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture (part2)
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:38:17 GMT

In article <93007.084641YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
|> What software if necessary to look this picture?

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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 10:51:08 MST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: RACIST NINTENDO
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)

In article <C057AI.J1v@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <1hu394INN357@agate.berkeley.edu> by robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson):

>> >Has anyone seen the Nintendo game "Bart v.s. the World"?
>> >There are many racist anti-chinese aspects to it.
 
>> Has anyone seen any arcade games?  99% of them have racist aspects to them.
 
>> My favorite is Mortal Kombat, where Sub-Zero can rip his opponent's heads off
>> with the spine still attached...or that Bruce Lee guy can fly around like
>> a monkey & kick his opponents 3 stories into the air.
 
>Are you implying that Chugokujin CAN'T fly and kick opponents 3 stories in the
>air?  Sounds like ethnocentrism and jealousy to me.... :)

If so, he's obviously never seen a Jackie Chan movie... :)
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