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From: laudw@warwick.ac.uk (Chris Lowe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany to commemorate launch of first Nazi rocket despite protests
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:16:26 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.german
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Sep27.001959.27716@u.washington.edu> payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.210715.25351@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
>
>>	BERLIN (UPI) -- German aerospace interests said Saturday they were
>>planning to celebrate the 50th anniversary of first rocket launch in
>>Nazi Germany despite international criticism.
>                         ....
>>	The Nazis launched 1,120 V-2s against Britain between September 1944
>>and April 1945, killing 2,855 civilians.
>                         ....
>>	In Britain, Conservative member of Parliament Winston Churchill,
>>grandson of the wartime prime minister, told the Mirror newspaper: ``I
>>urge them to think again.
>>	``The very idea that anyone could commemorate a wepaon system which
>>terrorized and killed civilians I find incredible,'' he said.
>
>Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that the British unveiled a statue
>commemorating Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris; the man responsible for
>the fire bombing of Dresden and many other German cities during the
>Second War; bombings which left Tens, if not hundreds of thousands
>of innocent civilians dead?
>
>-Payman

I find it quite hard to believe that anyone cannot see the clear distinction
between Bomber Harris and the v2 rocket system.Bomber Harris was in the
process of launching attacks on the most vile political system in history,
were pilots risked there lives nightly...the v2 system was a rocket
propelled weapons system,devised by evil people for evil purposes.Does`nt
anybody in Germany or America see the distinction ??? and if you take
this argument to its ultimate conclusion then it should be the Americans
and the Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs that must be seen as the ultimate,
most cowardly attack on `civillians`....by all means attack the v2 and
atomic weapons systems,but don`t denigrate the braveness of the English
bomber command or its leaders.It seems that many people don`t understand
the current animosity towards Germany,but I think many people in
england are of the view that Germany is forgetting what actually happened
in 1939/45.(fuelled by news reports on the neo-nazi violence,and the V2
celebrations have`nt helped.).we have every right to celebrate the braveness
of our RAF,on the other hand I would suggest that the German people would
be far better off if they stopped trying to revise their own history and
actually began to remember what a bloody mess they caused.

Anyway,

My Ecu`s worth.

Darren.
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: TAKING AN AUTO TO IRAN
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:33:56 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct6.175612.9406@src.honeywell.com> amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:

 @A friend of mine is looking into the possibility of taking his car with him to
 @Iran.  I know people with at least a master degree are allowed to do this, but 
 @don't know the detail.  He would very much appreciate any information and 
 @especially if someone has already done this and doesn't mind sharing the
 @experience.  He has alot of questions, such as the duty, the best way to ship
 @(i.e. is it cheaper to ship directly to Iran, or to Europe and drive the rest of
 @the way), what kind of cars are not allowed (if any), ... .
 @

Is this really a good idea? Sooner or later, the car will need repairs.
If one buys a car that is made/assembled in Iran, parts and mechanics
to fix it should be easier to find (and less expensive).
   
 - Farzin
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mahin decides not to shut up
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:51:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Sep26.175214.838@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.014749.2662@unixg.ubc.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca  writes:
>
>>No, "I" can't see the difference. Can YOU see the difference?
>>*laugh*
>
>Laugh Mahin, laugh ...
>Surely you are not so smart to imagine how much trouble you are making for
>yourself.


well well!  another threat.  how many is that this year?  let me 
venture a guess - the same as the number of people you lost an
argument to.  

a cornered cat shows more dignity than you do.

>Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Einstein  and  DOWNReligion...
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 07:20:06 GMT
Organization: Einstein tracker

In article <1992Sep25.125323.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:

Hi Ali!

>Recently someone (better not to mention any names here :) claimed that 
>Einstein was not a religious man... Here is a quote from the man himself...
>
>      ``The most beautiful experience we can have is of the mysterious.
>	It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of...
>	true science.  Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder,
>	no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed.
>	It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that
>	engendered religion.  A knowledge of the existence of something we
>	cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the
>	most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are
>	accessible to our minds -- it is this knowledge and this emotion that
>	constitue true religiosity; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a
>	deeply religious man...''
>
>					Einstein...

And a Jewish one indeed who believed in the legitimacy of the State of
Israel, who was asked to become its first Prime Minister which he humbly
turned down, who always said he was a Jew, who sincerely believed in
socialism instead of capitalism, who spoke against racism in the US, who
spoke against Americans' hatred of Jews after the War, who criticized a
lot of scientists of his time, who believed in a free Germany after the
War.

I would share that we ought to be very careful when we quote from great
personages of the human history.  This is not addressed to you Ali.  You
were only sharing a fact that Albert was indeed a religious person.  No doubt
about it.  It is just those fanatics - and I do not see you as such - who use
every opportunity to force feed their religion down our throats by quoting
from anyone they can in order to _prove_ or _demonstrate_ their case.

I propose that Einstein comes as a total homogenuous package.  The man was
so great and he said many things that if one put them together, s/he wouldn't
necessarily agree with all the things he said.  Unless we take him as who he
was, in which case we ought to accept many other things he said.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi, still studying Einstein's works to understand him
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056


"Gravitation should not be held responsible for people falling in love."

"Do not worry about your difficulties in math.  I can assure you that mine
are still greater!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi)
Subject: Purpose in Life
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 17:15:28 GMT


Hi,

> Reza writes:
>
>    What I am about to share with readers of sci is a philosophical
> question which may be inappropriate to formulate but I think  that
> there are many of us who are in search of an answer to this question.
> I believe that everybody should find his/her solution to this question
> but it would help me greatly if you shared your solution with me and
> many others who are lost souls like me. Here is the question:
>
>              What is the purpose of life?

Here's my purpose in life - to be happy and successful. Now, what makes me
happy? I am happy when I feel I have done something positive to make my life
or the lives of those around me a little bit better. This can be small things,
like making someone laugh, or doing a favor for a friend, etc... It can also
be big things, like providing a good environment for my son, other children
to be, to grow up in.  What is success? To me success is having goals, and 
working hard to achieve those goals. Some of these goals or dreams may never
be achieved, for all sorts of reasons or circumstances, but the process of
working towards those goals wholeheartedly creates a mindset and path for
which to achieve and do well in other areas. Now, if I actually achieve a
goal, I might say I've been REALLY successful! :) 
(My goal for tonight is to pick up my baby from daycare, get to the grocery
store and buy everything I need to buy before he decides to climb out of the
cart and start his "Mom, let's see if you can catch me before I run down 
this aisle and pull the jars from this shelf" game, and get him to play with
his dad and the dog so I can try out some of the recipes from my Iranian
"Food of Life" cookbook. )


>> Ramin writes:
>>
>> good quesiotn. I might not know what the purpose of life is, but I sure
>> do know it is not in books like Quoran or Bible and things like that.
>> Those are the things that stop us from thinking forward and make us think 
>> backward like people from 1400-1500 years ago. 
>> Life is inside you, inside the depth of your guts , inside the sharpness
>> of your brain. look for it there.
>> forget about god and thanking him for now, because he has forgotton us.
>> Yes he has and I can prove it.

  Actually, based on my personal definition of purpose, the Quoran and Bible
have all sorts of really great things to say. God hasn't forgotten us - he
may test you and have things happen in your life that don't presently make
sense or seem fair, but he never forgets.


                                      Carla Moussavi
From: farhang@ecst.csuchico.edu (Farhang Zamani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: trick trivia   : -)   (Summary of responses)
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:38:19 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

Finally I couldn't help and decided to let you know the real answer.

Of course there is no plural for Ezhdeha because there was only one
and they called it simply ezhdeha, otherwise ezhde could stand for
singular and ezhdeha for plural.

You're welcome!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:24:26 GMT

Seyyed Mahdavian writes:
|> 
|> Your prize is a golden passe-gardani which will be given to you in MehrAbAd
|> airport.
|> 
|> Seyyed.

Yapp, only in MehrAbAd airport.

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sassan@locus.com (Sassan Behzadi)
Subject: And _this_ for Pakistan (WAS: Zafar loves the HejAb)
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 03:43:01 GMT

In article <Bv0L92.86s@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>well like i said, i don't know the iranian way of doing things, 
>well, it's not completely that way there is a lot of persian 
>influence on pakistani culture.

>zafar
>

This reminds me of a joke that was going around during the creation
of CENTO in the early 70's. (I don't remember what the letters stood 
for - something-something Treaty Organization). It was a military 
(as well as a cultural) allience between Turkey, Iran and Pakistan, put 
together with heavy 'encouragement' and 'support' from the U.S., in 
order to protect these countries against a Soviet attack.

At the time very few people in Iran believed that the U.S. cared about 
the countries in the allience (or for that matter, the countries themselves
cared about each other). The allience was seen as an American way of 
protecting the Persian Gulf oil.

The joke itself is rather visual and it loses some of its humor when 
it's read, but I'll do my best to get its message through:

	For their first meeting, the delegates of the 3 countries
	were supposed to show up in Tehran in order to divide up
	the money that was supplied by United States.

	Since none of the delegates trusted each other, they didn't
	want to show up late. The Turkish and the Iranian delegates 
	got there on time but the Pakistani delegate was caught in 
	Tehran traffic :-) and got there a few minutes late. 

	Worried that he might get screwed out of his share of the 
	money, he rushed to the conference room as fast as he could. 
	As he got to the door he heard a voice from within the room
	saying: 

	"This for me... this for you... and this for Pakistan...
 	 This for me... this for you... and this for Pakistan...". 

	Feeling a little ashamed (that he hadn't trusted the others)
	he opened the door and walked in. There he found the Iranian
	delegate repeatedly digging into this huge pile of money and 
	putting some in front himself saying "this for me...", and 
	some in front of the Turkish deligate saying "this for you..." 
	and then while showing an obscene 'screw-you' hand gesture 
	saying "... and _this_ for Pakistan."

	(To imitate the hand gesture, make a fist with your right hand,
	put your left hand in the inside of your right hand elbow
	and then swing the lower part of your right arm up... real fast)


--Sassan



--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Sassan Behzadi 
sassan@locus.com 
Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles 
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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: shAhrokh, tabibe mahin! (more fun with seyed).
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:19:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel


my apologies to the good people of sci... each time i read thru
seyyed's article i find another indication of his true self which
i feel obligated to share with you.

>He later
>experienced some residence problem due to his extensive knowledge and 
>intelligence. He wrote: "...I am dar sharafe(!) ekhrAj az AmrikA ...".
		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Thanks God, estekbAre jahAni didn't succeed to expel him, and here again
>sham'e vojoudash roshanAyi bakhshe mahfele mAst!

once again you prove my Foldgers Crystals theory.  not only did i *not*
write the above, you should be stoned (have i got the punishment
right?) for attributing someone elses words to me.  youve just lost
the credibility you didnt have to begin with, to get published by
even 'The Enquirer'.

i *dare* you to post the above article (in its entirety) on sci.  if you
dont, then we'll continue with our notion of what kind of a person you
are.  i'll give you one week.

if you do post it, i shall eat my words (contrary to you, i
dont have a problem with saying i screwed up - it has to do with 
ego size: grade AAAA vs A).
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From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: world 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:27:30 GMT

In article <TOWFIQ.92Oct2233032@justice.UUCP> towfiq@justice.UUCP (Mark Towfiq) writes:
>>>>>> In article <BvFp4C.5A1@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu
>>>>>> (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>
>> A real challenge now for everybody:
>
>> The other day my friend was telling me that his professor had told
>> him that warm water freezes faster than cold water!!!!
>
>  If this is how the idea was stated (i.e. identical situations), I
>think his professor must have been trying to put a hat on his head.
>How can something at a temperature X freeze faster than something at a
>temperature X - a (a>0)?  Because in some time T, the thing which
>started at temperature X will have termperature X - a, and the thing
>which started at X - a will be ahead, closer to freezing.

That's why it's called a challenge :-)
As I said, my friend could not remember the context, it
is obviously only in some specific situation, but the question
is what situation?

>
>  Either this, or he was talking about a specific situation: when you
>put an ice-cube tray in the freezer.  In this case, warm water may
>freeze faster, as the warmth of the underside of the tray will
>momentarily melt the frost beneath it, and then re-freeze, forming a
>nice even contact between the ice-cube tray and the freezer floor (or
>shelf), thereby enhancing the rate of heat transfer from the tray to
>the freezer, and making ice more quickly.
>--
I don't know about the water below the ice cube tray, but 
noe that I think of it , as you know, water unlike other fluids,
always freezes from the top. And ,as we know, the water on the 
top is always warmer since warm water has lower density than cold
water and hence stays on top!! 
In this situation, there is some truth in what the prof. told
my friend. I think it might be due to some peculiar property
of water between 0 and 4 C. But I can't remember what it was.
Any ideas anybody??

Regards,
K1
>Mark Towfiq				towfiq%justice@eingedi.newton.ma.us
>
>"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens" -- Baha'u'llah


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Re: real discussion...
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:21:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.152224.17622@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>So, with respect to Betty Mahmoudy, I sympathized with her, but I can't help
>but wonder if the movie was simply someone's dig at Iranian culture.  We are
>never shown counterexamples.  All we see of Iran in the popular media are
>women clutching at their black chadors, men shouting "Marg bar Emrika!", and
>patronizing statements by our news announcers.
>
> ... stuff deleted
>

Three comments on this discussion:

1) Obviously, there are two sides to this story: The Betty's side and his 
husband's.  However, we in the US have not heard of the husband's side of the
story, mainly because it doesn't seem the media is (or better yet most Americans
are not even) interested in his side.

2) I have not heard any thing about the legal issues about this case.  When
a parent takes away a child from the other parent without his/her consent or a
court order that should be called "kidnapping". However, since Betty is
American and his husband is Iranian, the American people don't like to think of
this as anything but a heroic act on Betty's part.  Thanks to the movie and the
media's way of telling the story (i.e. never using the term kidnapping in their
reports).
Remember the opposite of this happend to another Iranian/American couple 
where the Iranian parent "kidnap" their child and he is now serving a sentence
in some prison in the US. In this case the term "kidnapping" was used, even 
before an American court convicted him on the charge.

3) I don't have any statistics, but I do know that every time I listen to the
news or read the paper, there are many reports on men in this country 
(presumably American men) commiting all sorts of crimes on their family. 
Note that crimes such as beating up the wives or children are hardly reported 
unless they are very vicious (i.e. the victims are killed or almost killed).  
To make my point clear, consider that if one wants to, it probably won't be to
difficult to make a movie to portray a negative image of American men or the
American culture for that matter by just interviewing any of these victims and
making a dramatic story out of it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Hiking Trip in CA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 08:01:10 GMT
Organization: Institution of Pepsi

In article <Bv4HEn.165@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
 writes:

>>How could we discuss your coming to California and playing a 'debsh' soccer
>>at Lynbrook High in San Jose with us the Iranians, and then zipping through 
>>280 North to Meykadeh restaurant in San Francisco to meet bunch of SCI people
>>something that could be discussed in a proper newsgroup except SCI?
>>Oh, I forgot Cafe Borrone in Menlo Park.  There is much to say at SCI besides
>>religion and government.  Well, you just read a 'cheshmeh' above!
>
>Damn! [(c) K1] :-) How come I didn't think of that myself?!
>BTW, you forgot about the hiking trip!

You bet I forgot.  It was fun, wasn't it?  And you could make it all the way
from SF by taking the train at 6 AM on Saturday and making it to Menlo Park.
That's called perseverence.
 
>What was that song the guys were singing about 
>drinking pepsi and something else together?

I don't really remeber the song.  But we were laughing at certain episodes
in Iran before revolution when Pepsi was 'harAm' because the company was
owned by a Baha'i [Oooops, I forgot this is becoming a Baha'i subject again]

However, Pepsi Cola was already an institutional brand name because it was
the first soft drink that was introduced to our country.  So people, those
fanatic ones, would go to javAd AghA's shop in the neighbourhood and ask:

javAd AghA, get me 5 pepsi, 2 of them Cokes and 3 Canada Dry's.

How about that for a joke, Professor [(c) Seyyed] Ramin?

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,sci.physics
From: mroussel@plumbum.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: In Memory of Professor Hesabi
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:06:49 GMT

In article <28SEP199211472532@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.175833.20526@u.washington.edu>,
>payman@u.washington.edu writes...
>>Professor Mahmoud Hesabi, father of modern physics 
>>in Iran, passed away last week.
>
>Are you a physicist who has worked in Iran?  I would be very interested
>in a first-hand account of what it is like to do the business of science
>in a Fundamentalist country.

     As I understand it, Muslims (fundamentalist or otherwise) don't see
any real clash between religion and science, unlike North American
fundamentalist Christians.  There might be some problems with certain
applications of science, but that's another story.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
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From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Hijab (again)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.022904.11857@athena.mit.edu> nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
>
                   <Lines be darak vasel shodan>

>My question is that why is it that I was harrassed more in Iran, covered up from
>head to toe in black garb with no make up or anything than if I was walking in
>Boston with shorts and a T-shirt on?  I mean there was a point in my trip there
>
Naghmeh joon. Ghorboon oon paro pacheyeh booloori beram (replace booloori with
jo gandomi if you are sabzeh).

I couldn't help notice from the line above how much you missed "laathayeh" 
Tehran, so I decided to help you feel right at home. Ghorbat hamineh digeh
hatta amaleham be adam matalak nemigan.

Please don't take the bit about your paro pacheh too seriousely, it was not
meant as a hendooneh zireh your baghal. Frankly, I'd rather have your sole. :)

>sincerely
>naghmeh

Ghorboonam beri.
-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
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