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From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (E.w.a. van Leeuwen)
Subject: Re: Pass-to-keeper game situation
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:55:53 GMT

scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:

>What I'd be interested to see is the tactics of the attacking team with
>an indirect freekick right on the goal-line!

That will not be the case. The freekick has to be carried out from the
nearest place from the foul to the 6 yard goal area (is this the
proper english term for it?) and not from the goalline.


						Regards,
						
						Ed.

						
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From: pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Keywords: from south with good soccer
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:13:12 GMT
Organization: AT&T


>
      (stuff deleted)
>
>World Cup Titles:
>
>Italy (3)
>Brazil (3)
>West Germany (3)
>Uraguay (2)
>Argentina (1), Hardly that impressive for a country that you rave about.
>
      (stuff deleted)
>
>Francis


"Argentina (1)"?,  that's it folks!, argentina's detractors will do 
anything to put its soccer down.  now also tell me that d'steffano,
sivori, maschio, maradona, passarella, kempes and all the other 
argentinian stars were in fact from bolivia or sudan ...just to push 
this country a little be down, you know.  a lie here and another one
there, always help.


ruben mazzulla
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. Poland
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:37:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Aug13.223754.11233
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <9208122200.AA19904@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>Let's get something straight here once and for all.
>
>Many of the goals that I see in *professional" futbol matches are NOT lucky.
>
>There has been many a time were there was a lucky play i.e.  a loose 
>ball, miss kicked ball, bad header, or whatever, that left a ball in 
>the control of an attacker who put it to goal.
>
>Many of the *shots* themselves were talent, pure and simple.
>
>So let's not refer to *goals* as lucky.  The plays that led to the 
>goals may have been lucky, but chances are the shots were not.
>
>As for Spain vs. Poland, what I did see (all 10 or 15 minutes, thanks 
>to nbc) the goals that were scored for the most part were very nice 
>goals.  The plays that led up to a couple of them were debatable, but 
>the goals themselves were nice!
>
>Can we possibly attain a level of communication that is less 
>hypocritical and nasty, and stick more with the *facts* and not conjecture?
>
>Francis.
>

Remember!  There is such a thing as "creating your luck" by working to
be in the right position and setting up the plays as designed.  How many
times have we recreational players seen "lucky" goal scoring chances
pass us by because we didn't follow the play, etc?  I'd say plenty!

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC negative press in chicago
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:41:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug14.174128.23317
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing


I've just written a very civil two page letter to the editors of the
Chicago Sun Times and Mr. Rosenbloom chastizing them about the editorial
article Linda posted here.  Linda, thank you for posting this.  It is
important that all of us know of this and do what we can to correct this
type of negative attitude that is of concern not only in soccer but in
many other things as well.  The rest of you, in the US and elsewhere
around the world, please do us in the US the favor of writing a letter and
making your voice heard.  As the number of fans of the beautiful game
grows, the shrinking number of rabidly anti-soccer imbeciles become more
vociferous than ever before.  We in the US that are already fans of the
game deplore the way the game is reported and editorials such as these. 
It is my hope that, with continued exposure of these journalistic lackeys
to the world at large and a large volume of response from around the
world, we can eventually muzzle these people into silence.  Not a forced
silence, just get them to the point where they know their negative
attitudes won't be tolerated any more.

Everyone reading this and Linda's posting PLEASE WRITE TO THE CHICAGO SUN
TIMES AND COMPLAIN.

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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Under 20's Romp in Belgium
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:22:24 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <Bt70uA.Coq@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.120941.27946@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
><The US Under 20;s won all five of their games by an aggragate of 18-1.
><
><US 6 Sprintmont(France) 0
><US 2 AS Herstal(Belgium) 0
><US 3 RWD Molenbeek (Belgium) 1
><US 3 Villeneuve (France) 0
><US 4 KRC Genk (Belgium) 0
><
><The core of this team is the same team that came in 5th in the U17 World
><Cup last year.
>
>Impressive.
>
>I'm hoping some of these youngsters make the first team squad for 1994!  
>Then maybe some folks will finally realise the USA isn't _that_ far behind 
>as the rest of the world seem to think!

These are 18-year olds. Most of them will play soccer in college for the
next 4 years. During these years, they will lose their skills and become
mediocrites like the previous generations of talented soccer players have
done before them. Yes, you may write to NCAA and thank them for their
contribution to the demise of US soccer, gymnastics and all other sports
that interfere with basketball and football.  You may also thank the US soccer
federation for its ineptitude as well.

Vlad

Employer disagrees
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: Maradona
Date: 14 Aug 1992 15:59:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

From: Saverio Cittadini  writes:

Yesterday there was a meeting in Zuerich concerning the future of Diego
Armando Maradona. There were Blatter (FIFA secretary), Grondona
(Argentinian Federation president), Franchi (Maradona's manager), and
representants of Napoli and of the Italian Federation. The positions
before the meeting were these:

Napoli's and Italian Federation's position: "Maradona has a contract
with Napoli that expires in June '93. Therefore, Maradona has to play
with Napoli this season."

Maradona's position: "I will not play for Napoli anymore."

FIFA's and Argentinian Federation's position: "A solution must be found,
since it would be an awful pity for soccer if Maradona stays out of
playing for another year." (actually, I read this as: "We already have
few hopes to raise interest among the Americans for the '94 WC. If
Maradona, who is perhaps the only player they know, can't make it, we
might have no hope at all."...)

Now, after the meeting, there are striking news. Maradona let know
that he might come back to Napoli, if the club accepts some conditions
(which apparently include: more money, a house outside the city,
personal training - separated from the rest of the team, and playing
only the matches at home). I still don't think that this would be the
best solution for Napoli, but anyway I'm sure that many Napoli fans
would be extremely happy if this comes true !

==========================================================


If the networks here got there act together, there would be no need to 
put all ones eggs in the same basket, i.e. relying on Maradona to be 
the main *draw* for '94'.  I'm not sure that this is the case in the 
first place since we are such a multi-cultural country in the first place.

I think that each of the nationalities in this country has a "star" 
player representative of there "home" country.

To imply that Maradona is that significant, under estimates the *true* 
following in this country.

I don't believe Napoli should give in. If they do, they'll just set 
precedence for others to follow.  If that happens the salaries for 
athletes will once again rise at phenomenal rates.

I love sports, but I don't feel that athletes are worth the 
compensation that some of them get.

Giving in to Maradona will only result in further abuses and demands.  
We, the spectators, can't afford that kind of premium.

What happened to the good old days when athletes played for the love of 
the sport and the thrill of victory?

Francis.
From: csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Prediction re: Arsenal
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:46:48 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Following last nights performance, I now wish to alter my prediction of
a few days ago concerning Arsenal.

For "relegated by easter" now read "relegated by february"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: English Premier Division results
Keywords: Saturday 22 August
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:16:53 GMT

Bits and pieces from the BBC World Service SportsWorld programme:

WIMBLEDON 1  COVENTRY 2
Rosario got the second Coventry goal. I believe the reporter said that
Coventry is the only team with 100% record (3 wins).

QPR       3  SHEFFIELD UNITED 2
Ferdinand    Cork
Barker       Deane
Bailey

MANCHESTER UNITED  1  IPSWICH 1
Komiwya (I definately killed the spelling on this one) put Ipswich
ahead after 55mins. Irwin equalised for United two mins later.

TOTTENHAM 2  CRYSTAL PALACE 2
Steve Sedgley gave Spurs a point with an equaliser a minute from time.
Durie put the home team in front, but Palace followed with two goals by 
McGoldrick and Young. Both teams left the pitch with 10 men, after 
Ruddock (Spurs) amd Thorn (Palace) were sent off.  

NORWICH 1  EVERTON 1 
Fox        Beardsley

OLDHAM 5  NOTTM FOREST 3
I think the reporter said that Oldham were 5-0 up at half-time !!
(goals by Adams, Sharpe, Howard, Henry, Bannard). Forest had a
revival in the second half and pulled back three goals (one through
Pearce's penalty kick and two through Bannister (?)).

SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY 3  CHELSEA 3
Hirst put Wednesday 2-0 up before Chelsea responded with three goals
by Jones, Stewart and Newton. Wilson gave the home team a point with
an equaliser towards the end.

MIDDLESBROUGH 4  LEEDS UNITED 1
Middlesbrough destroyed champions Leeds at Ayresome Park. They went
4-0 up, before Cantona got a consolation goal for Leeds.

ASTON VILLA 1  SOUTHAMPTON 1 
Atkinson       Adams

BLACKBURN ROVERS 1  MAN CITY 0
Newell 68'
Attendance: 19,433

Sunday's game: LIVERPOOL vs. ARSENAL


Also, the big game in Scotland:

RANGERS 1  CELTIC 1
Creaney put Celtic ahead. Durrant got the equaliser for Rangers.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: f36655e@taltta.hut.fi (Kalle Mikkola)
Subject: Re: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:18:37 GMT

In article <18AUG92.09205755.0022@lafibm.lafayette.edu> EC33@lafibm.lafayette.edu (EC33000) writes:
>       In Mexico '86 when Italy was defending champion Argentina, Brazil
>Uruguay and Paraguay went for South America.
>       In Italy '90 when Argentina was the defending champion Colombia,
>Brazil and Uruguay went for South America.
>  I'm not sure if this happened because FIFA changed the Number of

As far as I know, SA had 4 places '86, 3 places '90 (+Argentina) and
will have only 2 1/2 places '94!! And Europe has 12, 9 1/2 too many !

To be serious, Europe should have more places that SA, but SA had 4 
teams in '90 which all qualified to the second round. They should 
have >=6 teams '94, not 2 1/2. As an Europian I can see that at least
2 places could easily be taken from Europe and 1 from Asia (I think
they have 2 teams though they have never had any good ones).


Kalle Mikkola   Q:"How many Zen masters does it take to change a light bulb?"
358-0-8036053   A:"A tree in the golden forest."
kmikkola@otax
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Polska liga, round 3
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Aug20.091253.23470@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:

>
>P.S. Does anybody read this? Waiting for your answer.

Yes and No. Are there any foreign players in the Polish league. I may read it
if there are, otherwise  ............ :-(



--
gallows
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             An eye for an eye a FLAME for a FLAME  -me
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:43:24 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug21.121205.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.010054.21273@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>  >> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
>>       Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I always think that the name of MIM FC, once known as the "Famous" Glasgow
> Rangers, sits rather uncomfortably beside these other teams well known for
> their attractive style of football ;-).
> 
	I suspect it's got something more to do with the fact that they
are all winners............You may well recieve a phone call at about 4-45pm
tomorrow afternoon just to confirm this.

Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Australia - Poland Semifinal Result
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:28:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.092043.11041@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.001405.26225@Aus.Sun.COM> peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>You may well laugh at a 6-1 scoreline loss against Poland, but only the ignoran
>>t, or
>>those that did not see the game would do so.
>
>Yeh! Gloria victis, I agree. :-)
>
>>
>>Australia played creative, adventurous, attacking soccer.!!! Australia took the
>>match
>>to Poland from the outset, and they(australia) guaranteed the match was enterta
>>ining 
>>to the spectators, with their open style.
>
>It is a very corageous statement to make, that a team which loses 1:6
>guarantees entertainment. But if you meant that we should thankful
>to the Aussies for letting us see half a dozen of brilliants goals -
>I fully agree here also. :-)
>
>>
>> If Australia, had played a cat and mouse
>>game of chess, as the Polish did, only waiting for counter attacking opportunit
>>ies,
>>then the game would have died as a spectacle.
>
>This you should rather post to alt.humor.funny.
>
>Cheers!
>
>---------------
>
>Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
>(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
>
>

The fact that Australia lost to Poland 6-1 does not mean that Australia is
a 6 times worser team. They pushed the ball forward trying to get even and
got caught by Poland on counter attacks. Samething might of happen in the
Poland / Spanish game if Poland managed to score one of the few counters
early in the second half. You can't judge teams by the score only, I think
Australia deserves more respect.

regards,

mario s.
From: mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: *** MARADONA (present & future) ***
Date: 21 Aug 1992 06:08:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spam.berkeley.edu

In article <16vhhvINN36g@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>Ruben makes the point that given Maradona's unwillingness to play
>in Italy, Napoli should somehow find a way and let him go. Howe-
>ver, Diego is under contract with Napoli (attention: this sentence
					   ATTENTION  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>will be labeled "Maradona bashing")  and it is not obvious why
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Napoli should accept rescinding the contract or allow him to buy
>himself out.

I prefer to call it 'sucking up to the rich folks'.  The guy that reposted
your ENTIRE article,  just to add  "I agree",  THAT was more like bashing.
It was certainly (as always with those "uh,  I'll repost an 87 line article
just to add 'yeah'" posts).  But I digress.


>Napoli can play tough: let Diego sit out the remaining year and
>request the US$6m he owes them be paid at the end of the year.

Where do you get this figure?  If Diego is payed to play,  and he doesn't
play,  then he doesn't get payed.  There might be some small monetary
compensation owed to Napoli,  and a judge would decide on that.  Are you
a judge? 

And name me the percentage of professional athletes in the US that hold out
on the last year of a contract.  It's pretty high.  That's negotiation. 

>Paying the dual penalty of one year out and $6m evidently entitles
>Diego to stay in Argentina and play 5 on 5 soccer.

So we agree that if the judge decides that Diego should only pay $25,000,
then by paying Diego is free to go.  So now it's only a disagreement over 
the amount of money involved.

>The same way, having already paid Maradona for 1992-1993  entitles 
>Napoli to do whatever they want with his contarct, including NOT
>selling it for any amount of money.
>I can not understand why it is OK for Diego to sit out and play
>mini-soccer and not OK for Napoli to cling to his contract.
>-- 
>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>Department of Economics

Diego has reason to stay out of Napoli.  It is a dangerous place for him. 
And the rest of Italy is even worse.  Remember how the Argentinian anthem
was greeted by the crowds?  Only in Napoli did we see less of that.  And me
and 30%+ of us have Italian ancestors.  I mean, what the fuck?  We treated
them nicely in Argentina '78, and even let them win,  CARAJO.  So he wants 
to stay out of a place where he'd had so many problems,  and besides, 
he's homesick.  But mostly,  it is objectively dangerous for Diego to go back
to Napoli.  And that is why you cannot enforce that upon him.  Napoli has
made good money,  and a scudetto with Diego.  Now those days are gone,  and
it is time to go home.

Ariel Mazzarelli

P.S.:  Why do they take so long to grade the field exams over there?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: neil@alpha.ma.adfa.oz.au (Neil Viney)
Subject: La premiere division
Organization: Maths Dept. ADFA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:43:56 GMT

Here's a question for all the francophones on r.s.s.
I have often wondered how the French distinguish between the
Scottish Premier Division and First Division.  Nowadays, England
also has both Premier and First Divisions.  Surely the French
don't call them "la premiere division" and "la premiere division".
What goes?

Then again, perhaps it is not really a French problem;
it is more or less a pretty meaningless and pretentious choice of
names on the part of the Scottish and English.  Serves them right
if the French neither understand nor care.


Neil.
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 14 Aug 1992 12:46:56 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Someone wrote that only Brasil and Argentina play "real soccer" in 
South America.  It should be noted that in both the 1986 and 1990
World Cups, all four South American teams advanced to the second
round (for whatever that's worth in a competition where two-thirds
of the teams advance, but more than can be said about some European
teams like Scotland).
Ken S.
From: emulcahy@unix2.tcd.ie (QUETZALCOATL              MONTEZUMA OAXACA TENOCHTITLAN INTI RAYNI RA CHICHEN ITZA TLAXCALA MACCHU PICCHU CUZCO AKRANES REKJAVIK AKUYEYRI KEFLAVIK HAFNAFJIORDHUR GODTHAAB THULE MINNESOTA NORTHSTARS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS KON-TIKI)
Subject: CONCACAF WC Qualifiers : all except Sur - St.V
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:47:22 GMT


		CONCACAF
		--------
Pre-Preliminary Round
---------------------

	CARIBBEAN REGION - NORTH

21. 3.92	Dominican Rep. - Puerto Rico	1-2
29. 3.92	Puerto Rico - Dominican Rep...	1-1

22. 3.92	Santa Lucia - St. Vincent ....	1-0
29. 3.92	St. Vincent - Santa Lucia ....	3-1


Preliminary Round
-----------------

	CARIBBEAN REGION - NORTH

26. 4.92	Bermuda - Haiti ..............	1-0
25. 5.92	Haiti - Bermuda ..............  2-1

25. 5.92	Jamaica - Puerto Rico ........	2-1
30. 5.92	Puerto Rico - Jamaica ........	0-1

		St. Vincent .  .  .  .  .  Walkover
		Cuba .  .   .  .  .  .  .  Withdrew


	CARIBBEAN REGION - SOUTH

19. 4.92	Nederlandse Antilles - Antigua	1-1
26. 4.92	Antigua - Nederlandse Antilles	3-0

26. 4.92	Guyana - Surinam .............	1-2
25. 5.92	Surinam - Guyana ............. 	1-1

24. 5.92	Barbados - Trinidad&Tobago ...	1-2
31. 5.92	Trinidad&Tobago - Barbados ...	3-0


First Round
-----------

	CARIBBEAN REGION

15. 6.92	Antigua - Bermuda ............	0-3
 6. 7.92	Bermuda - Antigua ............	2-1

 5. 7.92	Trinidad&Tobago - Jamaica ....	1-2
16. 8.92	Jamaica - Trinidad&Tobago ....	 -  

 2. 8.92	Surinam - St. Vincent ........	 -  
30. 8.92	St. Vincent - Surinam ........	 -  


	CENTRAL REGION

19. 7.92	Nicaragua - El Salvador ......	0-5
23. 7.92	El Salvador - Nicaragua ......	5-1

19. 7.92	Guatemala - Honduras .........	0-0
26. 7.92	Honduras - Guatemala .........	2-0

16. 8.92	Panama - Costa Rica ..........	 - 
23. 8.92	Costa Rica - Panama ..........	 - 


	* I don't know the result for Surinam - St.Vincent as yet,
	  if it was posted on the net I missed it, anyway 
	  everything else is there. 

	Cheers,

		Enda.