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From: mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, Computer Staff)
Subject: os2 and dos both single tasking?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:38:13 GMT

I have been a beta tester for os/2 v2.  I have also been an user of
windows 3.0 / 3.1.

I ask both IBM and the net 'why do you think "os/2" is multi-tasking?'

The best way to describe the question is this;  lets compare dos and
os/2.

With dos, I boot up a single tasking text-mode environment.
With os/2, I boot up a single tasking text-mode environment.

With dos, I can optionally run windows (a graphically front end that 
gives multi-tasking features)

With os/2, I can optionally run PM (a graphical front end that gives 
multi-tasking features)

With unix, I can  'ps' to see processes, even in single-user mode.  It 
has swapper/scheduler processes.  Can I see this in os/2 if PM is not 
running?

What is the difference between the two?  Saying 32bit means nothing 
because I have seen unix on 8bit CPUs.

I would like put forth the comment that dos/windows is the same as 
os/2&pm.

If os/2 is truly multi-tasking, why can't I start two text mode apps and 
hot key between them?

mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, Computer Staff)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: marrs@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Scott Marr)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: My command prompts & other objects disappeared! help...
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:47:55 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.


Last night I installed the GA, and played with it untill quite late.
One of the things I did wast to move some folders out of the OS/2
System object to the desk top.  I did this by dragging from the System
object to the destop object.  Everything worked great and I was a happy
camper.  So I shut the system down and went to bed.

This morning I turned on the system and to my horror I found that the
folders I had moved last night were now empty!  This includes the
Command Prompts, Productiviy, and one other folder whose name I forget.
I ran a search to see if the system could find any of the missing
objects, but none were found.

So I have two questions, what caused the objects within the folders to
disappear, and how do I get them back?  I'm not keen on re-installing
the entire system, especially if I'm not sure what went wrong.

Any help would be appreciated!
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	Scott Marr  			marrs@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU	
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: siggi@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Siegfried Hanisch)
Subject: Re: OS/2 SVGA INFO (long)
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:59:52 GMT

Bernie Thompson wrote that Tseng ET4000 drivers are available for OS/2.
I have the OS/2 1.3 Tseng drivers (those that came with my VGA card), but
as soon as I enable SVGA (with "SVGA ON"), the 1.3 drivers don't work
anymore (I guess some sync problem - the picture keeps "running" down the
screen all the time). I have also tried some older 1.2 Tseng drivers that
use 70Hz vertical refresh rate, but with them the picture doesn't even
appear on the screen. With SVGA turned OFF, everything works alright, but
so I can't use WinOS2 with high res.

Do the forthcoming drivers from Tseng support 70 Hz vertical refresh and
256 colors (or even 32k colors)? Currently I can use this only in WinOS2
sessions (works fine!).

Any ideas?

thanx
Siegfried Hanisch
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: All GUIs are not alike
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:53:11 GMT

rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:
>In article <g44tjka@rpi.edu> johnsd2@rpi.edu writes:

>>Does it have Menu Bars in the windows? 

>Some windows do, some don't. ... You get a menu by clicking the
>right button in the window or on an object.

Careful there.  If you open up the mouse settings notebook, you'll
find you can configure all the mouse button functions by left/right
button, single/double click, and plain/alt/shift/ctrl held down.
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Is this really Seamless?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.074128@smltlk.enet.dec.com> yon%smltlk.cbm.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com (David A. Yon) writes:
>Hi,
>	I just read the Petzhold article in PC Mag about OS/2 2.0.
>He showed a screen shot of the "Seamless Windows" support.  To me it
>looked like all you could do was run AN ENTIRE WINDOWS DESKTOP inside
>of a scrollable OS/2 PM window.  It looked like you were forced to have
>a Program Manager in each one of these desktops as well.
>	I ask you... is that really the "Seamless Windows" support 
>that has been so hyped?  If so I'm pretty depressed, and will 
>probably wait for most of my Win apps to be ported to native OS/2
>before switching.  To me, "seamless" meant having individual Windows
>apps, each wrapped in a PM window.  This would be akin to running an
>OpenLook program under the Motif window manager, where inside the
>window it was pure OpenLook Widgets, but it was wrapped with the
>Motif resize handles.
>	Can someone please tell me that this isn't the case?  I
>*really* want to believe in OS/2.  (I've also heard that seamless
>8514 support is out for the time being, and that's a BIG factor
>for me)

No, no, not at all.  I run Word for Windows on the WPS desktop, for
example.  Other than having the coloring defaults of Windows, it looks
just like any other application.

Petzold may have been running the Program Manager on the desktop, or
even real mode Windows in a DOS window, both of which are poor
demonstrations of OS/2 2.0.

You're right about 8514/A and so-called "seamless" Windows -- it isn't
support yet.  But IBM is working on the appropriate driver and will
make it available soon, I understand.

But about "seamless" Windows.  This is doing something that Windows
itself cannot do, namely run Windows applications side-by-side with
OS/2 applications.  In OS/2 2.0 even without "seamless" Windows you
can run one or more full screen Win-OS/2 desktops, each running one or
more Windows applications -- which, again, is something you can't do
in Windows.  Even without "seamless" Windows support.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wanderer@athena.mit.edu (Opus)
Subject: OS/2 swapfile
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:45:59 GMT

Is there a way to change the file partition that the OS/2 swapfile goes
to? I created a 40 meg partition for OS/2 system, but it seems to keep
running out of swapfile space.. Help! (I have 8 megs RAM)

Please email all replies, I have 523 unread articles in this newsgroup at
the moment.. Thanks!
From: heiland@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.j.heiland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Comments on OS/2 seminar
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:22:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I finally got to go to a seminar/intro to OS/2 2.0: The Integrating Platform.
It was 2 1/2 hours, and barely touched on what OS/2 can do, but it was okay.  
About 30 business people in a small room, with 1 free GA raffled off.  

The main machine was a 16MHz 386 with 8Mb.  Generally quick, but there 
seemed to be occassional unexpected slowdowns.  Several other PS/2's 
running GA for people to use, plus the new active matrix color notebook 
(now that was nice!).

The information and answers they gave were mostly accurate, though they
only said 4Mb was required (read "straight off the box") without saying
6-8Mb is more realistic (the handout does mention this though).  They did
stress that it would run on about 200 IBM compatibles.  Occassionally 
things got confusing due to persistent questions by one or two people that
would have better been answered off line.  Lots of interest in networking.

Anyway, I have a few questions I'd like to find answers to:

Can the desktop emulate a larger desktop, i.e., can it be made scrollable 
such that sliding the mouse against the screen edge reveals more desktop
space? If so, how large of a virtual desktop can be created?

I noticed that you had to click on menu items that led to submenus.  Can
the menu be made to just open the submenu when the cursor slides over
the item and off to the right?  On this 630 terminal, holding the right mouse
button down brings up a menu, and selection is made when you release the
button, submenus are entered by keeping the button down and sliding off the
right edge of the appropriate menu item.  No multiple clicking is needed.

If the above can't be done, I'd like to see Boca add an option (and maybe
the one about a window having focus in the background) to configure it.  The
more flexibility the better.

After finally seeing the WPS at work, I'm kind of confused over why people
find it confusing!  It seems intuitive and "right" to me.

One thing I'm ticked about is that I missed the rollout last week right
in my own town, and I was looking for it - even called the IBM centers
several times for OS/2 information.  Arggghh.

Dave Heiland   djh@neptune.att.com
From: woan@soda.berkeley.edu (Ronald Woan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Unix under OS/2
Keywords: OS/2 Unix PC
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:33:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rvvsdINNo32
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


You can't do this, at least for any mainstream UNIX implementation.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com (Thomas Rush)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with OS/2 2.0 and...
Reply-To: thomasr@cpqhou.UUCP (Thomas Rush)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:48:23 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Mar30084531@fang.clearpoint.com> jeff@fang.clearpoint.com writes:
>             I have seen Microsoft commercials, in print and on TV,
>that make Windows look like the best thing since sliced bread.
>

	Is that the commercial where they talk about productivity as
they show the executive staring (nothing else, just staring) at the 
three pictures on his screen?

Ask me about my Windows Pains....

thomas rush				uunet!cpqhou!thomasr
compaq computer corporation		their employee,
deep in the hearth of texas		not their opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: Tape Backup ?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:23:47 GMT

In article <kud30nINN97s@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu> easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds) writes:
>What about Irwin drives and EZTape/PM?  Will this combination backup EA's
>under OS/2 2.0??

I beleive it will.  However, while these are excellent drives, they do not
support the QIC-80 format, which many of us need.

-Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: Stuff in comp.windows.ms
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:52:50 GMT

pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.071332.25348@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
>jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) wrote:
>> 
>> What I have gathered is that it is up to the author of the application
>> to determine whether or not multiple instances of an app is allowed.

>That is correct.

In my happiness with using OS/2 2.0, I forgot that some of you folks
out there haven't got it yet.

The reason I posted this into comp.os.os2.misc is because unlike Windows,
OS/2 lets YOU decide whether you want to allow multiple instances of
an app, be it OS/2, Windows, or DOS.
-- 
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From: smbrush@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Andy Brush @Sverdrup)
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Yesterday(4 April) I saw Windoze 3.1 for sale here.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  7 Apr 1992 17:09 EST  

In article <1992Apr7.084444.14910@cs.brown.edu>, wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes...
[removed]
>C'mon guys. It's no big deal. Why should we care about the internal
>function of IBM itself? Does IBM give us its stock if we care enough?
>The late arriving OS/2 2.0 is no big deal. Just wait. Anyway, I'm
>locked by buying 1.3. So all I have is "waiting." If OS/2 2.0  does
>not make a success, how many dollars do you lose? 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Let's see... already spent $750 on development system which is useless with 
Windows, and will spend about $200 on manuals when they are finalized.  

Suppose I write a graphical front end for a mainframe analysis program 
using OS/2, multithreading, PM graphics, etc.  THEN, the Government (my 
customer) says "OS/2 didn't catch on... where's the Windows version?"

I don't think it will be as easy to port back to DOS!!!  I think it will 
cost me hundreds of hours to do a new version.

I, and other, far more serious programmers than me, invested in IBM by
PAYING FOR and PROGRAMMING in OS/2 development systems well before GA.  If
IBM drops the ball and lets OS/2 2.0 limp along as an internal-use system
like 1.3, this is costly to us.  I hope that end users will realize that
the people doing serious complaining about OS/2 marketing have more
invested than just the cost of the OS license. 

Andrew S. Brush             | SMBRUSH@LIMS01.lerc.nasa.gov
Sverdrup Technology         | 2001 Aerospace Parkway
NASA LeRC Group             | Brook Park, OH 44142
"Opinions are Mine, Only"   | (216) 826-6770
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: lamg@fraser.sfu.ca (Kin Lam)
Subject: Anyone wants a free copy of 2.0?
Summary: was: Upgrading from 1.x to 2.0-- I want to cry!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:50:21 GMT

  First of all, thanks to those who replied to my previous posting about
not being able to upgrade from 1.0 to 2.0 in Canada.
  Now, for anyone in the states who has to pay to get os/2, if you want a 
free upgrade, drop me a reply through email.  I will send you my "proof of
license" card and the invoice to you.  I think although the invoice bears my
name and my (Canadian) address, IBM US will probably do the upgrade anyways,
but I cannot garantee it.  I will take the 2nd email that gets into my mailbox,
and the person will receive a email reply from me.
  Thanks again to all those who gave me suggestions on what I should do.  Well,
I guess I could refund it or sell it to get a little of my money back, but 
the biggest winner is Federal Express ;-) .  I don't have a friend in the states
to do the upgrade for me neither...
  I just ordered my win3.0-->os/2 upgrade this afternoon.  Now only 2-4 weeks
more to wait.  Geez, I've been waiting for it for almost half a year.

Timothy Lam

p.s. don't forget to include your snailmail address!


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 16:28:12 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: Yesterday(4 April) I saw Windoze 3.1 for sale here.

Actually, when you run into someone from IBM who doesn't know
what's going on with something like OS/2 2.0, it often just means
that they normally don't work with the workstation stuff. 

Most IBM reps work on one part of the product line, and there are
lots of folks who are busy out selling mainframes or minis, or
working on networking solutions for point of sale or... 

PS/2s, OS/2 and all of personal systems is only one corner of 
what IBM sells. When IBM does a rollout or other selling
event, you're going to see people pulled in to work on it who
don't normally work with the product. 

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
From: flusekw@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (william flusek)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Educational pricing on OS/2
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:24:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr14.212450.5657
Organization: Indiana University


I talked to our IBM reps out of Indianapolis last night about educational
pricing on behalf of the net-users.  They said that IBM is offering an
educational price on DOS -> OS/2 2.0 upgrades of $69.00.  You should be 
able to get these by calling one of the following numbers:

     The normal  1-800-3IBMOS2  number should be able to deal with this.

     For students/faculty/staff at a qualifying institution, you can 
     also call   1-800-222-7257.

     For Institutional purchases, you should call 1-800-426-3327.

In any case, hopefully these numbers will help save some people some 
dollars for memory or whatever.  I don't know about what they ask for
in terms of proof of eligibility, but it is probably something like a
photocopy of an ID or class schedule.

Also, the phone number to request DOS and OS/2 Corrective Service 
Diskettes (CSDs) is 1-800-237-5511.  You may have to have an IBM customer
number to get these, but if so a dealer should be able to get them for
you. 

Bill
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: fargo@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo)
Subject: Re: Logitech mouse and OS/2 2.0 GA
Summary: Mouse problems and drive problems
Keywords: OS/2, mouse, RLL, problems, headache, pain, kill, kill, kill
Organization: Fargo HQ, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:53:56 GMT

In article <57250005@acf3.NYU.EDU> chenjs@acf3.NYU.EDU (Jiansheng Chen,1141 Meyer,8-7667,) writes:
>
>I installed the OS/2 2.0 GA on a noname 386SX machine with 8MB and
>the Logitech serial mouse.  But the mouse didn't work.  I tried the
>following options:
>
>	1) Logitech mouse; 
>	2) Serial pointing device;
>	3) In-port pointing device;
>
>but none of them worked.
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>J. Chen

I am having similar problems.

I have installed OS/2 v2.0 GA on a 33 MHz 386 machine w/AMI BIOS, OPTI
chipset, 64 KB cache, 8 MB of memory, a 100 MB RLL hard drive hooked up to
a WD1006V-SR2, an Orchid ProDesigner II, and a Logitech serial--the good ol'
C7 style--mouse.

Although I haven't tried the In-port pointing device yet, I have a strong
feeling that it will not work as I had similar problems with beta level
6.177.

The other MAJOR problem I am having with OS/2 is with my RLL drive.

My system starts up the Boot Manager fine, selecting the OS/2 partition
works, but as soon as the OS/2 logo pops up, my drive starts making horrible
groaning noises and the entire system slows down tremendously.  Everything
still works, it just works very slowly.

I've low-level formatted my hard drive, and ran a surface analysis to mark
out bad sectors--there were only two or three in unimportant areas of the
disk, ie. not anywhere near the boot sector.  I've been running MuShy-DOS
off of the drive for far too long, so I don't believe it to be a drive
problem.

Just to make sure, I switched my machine down to 8 MHz, went into the BIOS
setup to disable the cache and the BIOS shadows, and still the same problems.

Does anyone have an idea what's going on here or should I start nagging
IBM?  I can provide more detailed information about my system if neces-
sary.

Thanks!

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From: bigbrd!ersys!bking@cs.alberta.ca (Barry King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Tape Backup ?
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:52:46 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems, Edmonton, AB, Canada

smbrush@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Andy Brush @Sverdrup) writes:

> I'm looking for a cheap tape backup system for use with OS/2 version 2.0.  
> So far, I found out that Colorado does not support OS/2, and that Irwin 
> wants $99 for the PM software upgrade (for a $179 drive!).
> 
> Does anyone have good or bad experience with a tape system under OS/2 that 
> they will post or E-mail to me?
> 

Well, the $99 US upgrade to EzTape/PM is, IMHO, worth it.  i don't know 
what you consider cheap, but I think that EzTape/PM with the already 
cheap Irwin drive is about the cheapest deal going.  EzTape/PM thankfully 
bears little resemblance to the EzTape/DOS/OS2 products.  It is 
reasonably fast, multi-threaded, fairly well-behaved PM-wise and has very 
nice features.  It'll apparently even back up remote drives on an OS/2 
LAN.  I enjoy using the product and recommend it without hestitation.  I 
have used SyTos/PM and much prefer EzTape/PM for personal use.
 
I have absolutely no affiliation with Irwin (other than I own an SX80 
drive and EzTape/DOS/OS2/PM) and until EzTape/PM had little or no respect 
for the developers of EzTape...
 
Hope this helps.

Barry King              bigbrd!ersys!bking@cs.alberta.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:28:11 CDT

In article <53960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:
>In <1992Apr7.085201.13452@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:
>
>
>>1-800-3-IBM-OS2 number?  100 operators?  I think that's more than even 2-4
>
>They have 300 operators right now, are taking approx. 2400 orders a day. They
>would have more operators but they're at capacity right now! (As per the OS/2
>people in the IBM tower here in Atlanta, where the ordering info is being done).
>

Something doesn't seem right 2400 orders for 300 operators is 8 order per
day per operator.  This can not be capacity.

I heard the operators are averaging an order every 3 minutes per operator.
This works out to 20 per hour * 100 operator * 8 hours = 16,000 per day
* 5 days = 80,000 per week * 4 weeks = 320,000 per month * 12 months = 
3,840,000 per year.  Of course, this will change when the shelves get full
of OS/2 2.0 and is only what I heard.
 
Add in the pre-installed copies from IBM and RELY ...  OS/2 2.0 will
certainly sell more than 200,000 copies.
 
Bert Moshier