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From: photons@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Julie Mills)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: graphics
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:35:15 GMT
Reply-To: photons@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Julie Mills)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I need to do some graphics primitives (draw line, put pixel sortoof
stuff).  Can this be done with C/Set 2?  MsC6.0?  How does
something like Turbo c/pascal for dos or windows work under OS/2?
Any opinions on what my best course of action might be?
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From: tommy@msc.cornell.edu (Mike Thompson)
Subject: Current call format for DosDevConfig
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:22:19 GMT

The following code fragment uses DosDevConfig to get computer model
information.  This is basically from the toolkit example

	BYTE model,submodel;

	DosDevConfig(&model, DEVINFO_MODEL);
	DosDevConfig(&submodel, DEVINFO_SUBMODEL);

Under the 2.1b beta, it works fine.  However, under 2.0 w/ SP, it
crashes with a memory fault.  Changing the BYTE declarations to
ULONG solves the problem.

What is the correct length for DEVINFO_MODEL and DEVINFO_SUBMODEL
calls?  Is the 2.1b BYTE length correct, or should I be coding for
ULONG in both cases.

Anyone know?  What about other DEVINFO parameters?

Thanks.

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From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse)
Subject: How do you create a new Program Object on the WPS (with REXX)?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:00:18 GMT

We are developing an OS/2 2.0 application -- and the installation process
needs to be implemented soon. 

The objective is to have the user execute an "install" CMD or EXE file
that creates a Program Object for the user.

How do you do this?  (I have a faint recollection of seeing a REXX program
that would do this.) I know how to do it "manually" -- by copying a program
object from Templates -- but the user should be spared this step.


Any help or pointers would be most appreciated.  Thanks.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Does OS/2 support Shared Memory?
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:21:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <C17Kwo.7E7@techbook.com> tonyb@techbook.com (Tony Bennett) writes:
>Unix has the concept of shared memory, that is multiple programs accessing a
>common area of memory.  Does OS/2 support that concept and if so what functions
>are used...  a little snippet of code using those functions would be
>very helpfull.

Well, I don't think there is a Unix-equivalent method for sharing
memory, but I know the following:

1) Multiple threads of one program share a common global data space.
   So all static and global variables will be shared among multiple
   threads in one application.

2) If a single .DLL is referenced by multiple applications at once, I
   believe that it's static and global variables (maybe only the
   exported ones...) are shared among the apps.

3) There may be a way to just allocate shared memory, but I don't
    know.
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From: jarman@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Jarman)
Subject: Beta Developer's Toolkit & GCC
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:32:44 GMT

I have recently downloaded the 2.1 beta, MMPM/2 and the developer's toolkit.
Everything installed great, but I was disappointed to find I had no way 
to compile the example programs (of course I could run the EXEs, but I wanted
to play with the source).  I noticed that we can link the .OBJ files, and
we now have the object tools (included in the package, I think).  If I use
GCC (the one that makes real IBM .OJs), will that work with the rest of
the make?  Are all of the .H files in the beta all that are required, or
must I install the entire GCC?

Has anyone who knows what they are doing tried this?

Thanks.

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From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Using emx/gcc 0.8f to produce DLL
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:46:06 GMT

I have never been able to compile any sample code (redbook, tookit)
by emx/gcc, as long as the produced code is a .dll file. On the 
contrary, every normal program without .dll can be compiled 
flawlessly under emx/gcc. I guess I must be wrong in choosing the
options.   Yes, I read the emxdev.doc but donstill 't quite
understand how to do it. 

Anybody succeeded in compiling any nontrivial sample (like the
pwfolder in redbook)? Would you email me your makefile of settings?
Thanks in advance!



Wen-Chun Ni, wcn@cs.brown.edu
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From: os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.)
Subject: Re: Missing documentation: BCA_HUFFMANENCODING !!!
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:17:54 GMT

In <1993Jan28.112857.10080@abo.fi> PNIELSEN@FINABO.ABO.FI (Peter Nielsen) writes:

>OS/2 2.0 Bitmaps - new compression for 1 bit/pel data

> <stuff deleted>

>My question: Does anybody have any documentation (or know how to implement)
>BCA_HUFFMANENCODING ?

I'm 99% sure that BCA_HUFFMANENCODING isn't used at the moment, but there's
always that 1%...

Cheers,
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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: emx 0.8f bug or not?
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:24:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.114723.13999@donau.et.tudelft.nl> linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) writes:
>Has anybody noticed compiling with -Zomf -Zmt leaves about 4k
>worth of debug info? It may be a variable amount, but some
>stuff I recompiled was about 4k larger than with emx 0.8e.
>So what is wrong here?
  
Nothing is wrong. A new feature of emx 0.8f is that it supports a subset
of debug info even with -Zomf format (for use with IBM's IPMD debugger).
To get rid of it, just link with -s as usual for a.out format.

Kai Uwe Rommel

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DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: pmuellr@vnet.ibm.com (Pat Mueller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:35:30 EST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: OS/2 Developer's Electronic Magazine

>Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
>From: aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler)
>Subject: Re: OS/2 Developer's Electronic Magazine
>Sender: news@hpuerca.atl.hp.com ( News admin)
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:10:03 GMT
>Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Atlanta GA
>
>In article <19930122.084021.70@almaden.ibm.com>, pmuellr@vnet.ibm.com (Pat Mueller) writes:
>>  Also assuming no really complicated IPF markup, a
>> rexx program could be written to convert the .ipf file to a plain
>> text file.
>
>Does such a tool exist already?

Not that I know of.  But I've done stuff like this before.  It's not
impossible, and the less complicated the source langauge (IPF), the
less complicated the translator.  The PostScript converter would
be the >fun< one!  I've been thinking about it a little over the
weekend, looking through the IPF language docs.  I think it's certainly
do-able - the only concern with REXX would be performance - which
shouldn't matter much - you won't be converting stuff ALL that often.
I'll probably make a start on this, but it likely would be submitted
via the IBM EWS program, so it won't be available any time REAL soon.

Patrick Mueller                  addr:  pmuellr@vnet.ibm.com
IBM Cary, North Carolina         phone: 919-469-7242
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From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee)
Subject: emx 0.8f bug or not?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:47:23 GMT

Has anybody noticed compiling with -Zomf -Zmt leaves about 4k
worth of debug info? It may be a variable amount, but some
stuff I recompiled was about 4k larger than with emx 0.8e.
So what is wrong here?

Erik
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From: Robert.Mahoney@f347.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Mahoney)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Languages
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:22:00 -0500

>>What programing languages are there out there for os/2 2.0? I know theres
>>C but what else? Is therre a Basic or Pascal available?

LP>And what about Cobol? I never heard anything about e 32 bit version of
LP>Microfocus'.
 
   MicroFocus has a beta starting soon for their 32bit COBOL compiler.
I think it's target date is the 3rd quarter.

Bob
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From: cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Any Pascal for OS/2 yet?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:12:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fND9ZK00WBO8BnEwM
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,

Just wondering, is there _any_ OS/2 specific Pascal compiler out there
yet?  I heard that Lightspeed Pascal is out.  How is that?  Is it 32-bit?

Thanks for any answers.

Carl Jabido
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From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Subject: Re: compiling macros for EPM ?
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:45:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.004628.22259@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>In <1993Jan24.181508.24311@ugle.unit.no> kvien@Elkraft.Unit.NO (Oddgeir Kvien) writes:
>>How do you compile macros for EPM?
>>
>>I can not find it in anny documentation.
>
>Compiling macros refers to using ETPM to compile .e macros into .ex files.
>ETPM was not shipped with OS/2, but is available in the EPMBBS package on
>the IBM OS/2 BBS's, Compuserv, and via anonymous FTP (from
>software.watson.IBM.com and other sites).  This has nothing to do with Rexx
>macros.
>
>The above package includes an online user's guide and tech. ref.  For more
>information on ETPM, get EPMDOC.ZIP, unpack it, then enter the command:
>   view epmusers etpm

It's also on the 11/92 PDK CDROM...

Jeff


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From: hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson)
Subject: Re: basic
Organization: Auburn University, Alabama
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:43:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.210637.4258@apgea.army.mil> rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>) writes:
>ok, sincce there doesn't appear to be an os/2 version of basic or pascal,
>and since I refuse to work in C, 

You like pascal but refuse to work in C?


>how can I take my dos basic or pascal complier and make programs that are
>os/2 and/or PM friendly?

There is Bywater Basic 1.10, recently released and available on 
simtel20.army.mil. This compiles using MSC 6.00A for OS/2. I only briefly
examined, and the language features are interesting, but not OS/2 specific
and it is not very fast.  You did not indicate what type of programming.
If your BASIC needs are very basic, then this might work. If you examine
the docs on simtel, and decide that it will suit your purpose, I can send
you my version which is compiled for OS/2. Note carefully: this BASIC is 
designed to run on a variety of platforms. It is not fancy and does not
include any special OS/2 features.  

I only examined out of curiosity at this old language. I use C and refuse
to program in BASIC or PASCAL :)

--darrel



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From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: How to bet $100,000 on OS/2 and lose it.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:29:38 EST
Reply-To: <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG> (Gess Shankar)
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:

> >I am sure that Mr Sturgill who was gracious enough to offer his services
> >to post your previous 'bitch' to CIS, will do so with this one too. :-)
> >
> 
> I of course posted both messages for Bob... why are you surprised?
> 
Didn't say anything about being surprised. I just said I am sure you
will do the right thing. The smiley was a genuine one, not an ironic one.

GeSS
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From: cpbaltus@cs.vu.nl (Stefan Baltus)
Subject: Problem. Unknown error
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:54:03 GMT

Hi,

When running my own written program, I get the following error:

The process has stopped.  The software diagnostic
code (exception code) is  009B.

The 009B stands for decimal 155 and that means : 'TOO MANY TCBS'.

Now, i have two questions:

1. what means TCBS?
2. how can i recover from this error?

                Thanks.

                                        Stefan.

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From: john.navas@uttsbbs.uucp (John Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: WRITTING DEVICE DRIVERS
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.navas@uttsbbs.uucp (John Navas)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591

paul@ais.org (Paul Vargo) writes:

 > Has anyone bought the disks that can be purchased from
 > Steven J. Mastrianni's "Writting OS/2 2.0 Device Drivers in C"
 > book?  Is this code available by ftp?
 > Any help would be appreciated, especially via e-mail.

The code that goes with the book is available for download on
CompuServe (GO OS2DF1 I think).  However, the libraries that are used
by the code must be purchased.

Best regards,
John
                                                                       
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From: aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Developer's Electronic Magazine
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:10:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Atlanta GA

In article <19930122.084021.70@almaden.ibm.com>, pmuellr@vnet.ibm.com (Pat Mueller) writes:
>  Also assuming no really complicated IPF markup, a
> rexx program could be written to convert the .ipf file to a plain
> text file.  

Does such a tool exist already?

simon
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From: PNIELSEN@FINABO.ABO.FI (Peter Nielsen)
Subject: Missing documentation: BCA_HUFFMANENCODING !!!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:28:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

OS/2 2.0 Bitmaps - new compression for 1 bit/pel data

According to the documentation on the ulCompression field in the
BITMAPINFOHEADER2 structure there is one new compression method 
BCA_HUFFMANENCODING. 
(the others are BCA_UNCOMP, BCA_RLE4, BCA_RLE8 i.e. the same as found in
Windows 3.0 bitmaps)

My question: Does anybody have any documentation (or know how to implement)
BCA_HUFFMANENCODING ?

Peter Nielsen			pnielsen@finabo.abo.fi
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From: assela@aix.rpi.edu (A. Andre Asselin)
Subject: Re: Borland C++: what a dog.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:24:09 GMT

rom@cci632.cci.com (Rudynell S. Millian) writes:
>In article <CFORTIER.93Jan19164316@genghis.news> cfortier@genghis.news (Chris Fortier) writes:
>>
>>  It is true that there are no application frameworks (i.e. OWL) with
>>the first release.  There certainly is full RTL, BIDS, etc. support.
>>

>	WHAT?! No application frameworks?! It has taken Borland this long
>to release this thing, and now you are telling me it is not going to have
>an application framework? How many people did Mr. Kahn have working on this
>thing, two? The BC++ product has been in development for almost three years,
>and all Borland has come up with is a "robust" user interface.

Well, here's one possible senerio: IBM is working on an application framework
for inclusion with the next release of C Set/2 (which will have C++).
Perhaps Borland is going to license it?  Maybe?  Hopefully?

        - Andre Asselin  (assela@rpi.edu)
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From: ai904@yfn.ysu.edu (Len Dorfman)
Subject: CD-ROM Drive Rec For Gatewayy 66 Mz
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:25:57 GMT


Does anyone have any experience installing a CD-ROM drive on
a Gateway 486 66Mz Local bus machine? I'm ready to purchase
a CD-ROM drive and don't want to experience OS/2 quirks...
I'd like to purchase a CD-ROM drive, install it, and then
get up and running. I appreciate any advice. Yhanks.
Len Dorfman, (ldorfman@delphi.com)
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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Borland C++, upgrade?
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:53:38 GMT

Ed.June@iphase.fidonet.org (Ed June) writes:
: On <Jan 20 00:43>, Chris Fortier of 1:112/28 wrote to All:
: 
:  CF> From: cfortier@genghis.news (Chris Fortier)
:  CF> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer 
:  CF> Subject: Re: Borland C++: what a dog.
:  CF> Organization: Borland International, Inc.
:  CF> Reply-To: pendrith@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au's message of Mon, 18 Jan 
:  CF> 1993 14:07:27 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 00:43:16 GMT
: 
: 
: 
: 
: >the compiler will not be cheap. EEP beta testers who have shelled out
: >A$495 locally will still be expected to pay an upgrade price to get the
: >final release product, to give you some idea.
: 
:  CF>   The release price for the product has not yet been finalized.  The
:  CF> price for EEP recipients will be very friendly.  Borland languages
:  CF> has a history of taking care of its customers.
: 
: 
: Hmm, I seem remember a stiff $200 upgrade...
: 
: What of us who have the 3.0+App/FrameWorks?
: Will there be a VERY generous upgrade for us as well?
: I sure hope so! I'm just a simple hobbiest, with a VERY modest income...

Hey - what about those who have bought every compiler/upgrade (incl. beta)
since 2.0 ?

Let's just wait and see. Not worth the time spent speculating !

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From: todd@kastle.com (Todd A. Scalzott)
Subject: Re: ST-01 and SCSI in general
Reply-To: todd@kastle.com
Organization: Kastle Development Associates, Arlington, VA, USA
	<sfLjYe200WB3RGfps4@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:22:55 GMT


In article <sfLjYe200WB3RGfps4@andrew.cmu.edu> "Peter W. De Bonte" <pd2n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>   Hmm, It seems that i had better rephrase the question.  Has anyone been
>   able to use an ST-01 or ST-02 to *boot* OS/2.  (Or is there a
>   difference?)
>
Yes.  No problem.  You must, however, use the IBMINT13.I13 driver for
access to the ST01 or ST02, since the card is not directly supported
by OS/2.

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From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: TeX enhancements for EPM Editor
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:58:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

I have just released a macro package for IBM's enhanced editor EPM
V5.51 for OS/2 that adds a TeX pull down menu to the editor menu bar.

From within EPM, a TeX document can be TeX'd, previewed, and printed.
The various commands are threaded so you can keep editing during TeX
compilation, printing, etc.

Because the package is written in the editors E language, you will
need to get the full(and free) IBM EPM 5.51 package with ETPM compiler
to add these enhancements.  Instructions are included in the package
for this.

The package can be found on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in /pub/uploads (for now)
in the file epmtex.zip.  Its ultimate resting place should be
/pub/os2/2.0/editors.


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From: antony@werple.apana.org.au (Antony Suter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Developers - Read this!
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:57:05 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
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paulg@a1.resmel.bhp.com.au (Paul Gallagher) writes:

>In article <31h3spb@rpi.edu> assela@rs6108.ecs.rpi.edu (A. Andre Asselin) writes:
>>sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
>>By any chance, would you be interested in a series on writing Installable
>>File Systems?  Although its rather obscure and specialized, I've done some
>>work in that area and am willing to share what I've learned....
>>       - Andre Asselin   (assela@rpi.edu)

>YES YES YES YES (what more can I say?)

Even more yes!
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