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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:11:08 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <14AUG199214491157@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.223847.13800@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes...
>> 
>>Another purely personal choice, IMO.  Our birthday parties for our son have
>>consisted of a family get-together with a few gifts, barbecue and cake/ice
>>cream for dessert.  In his nursery school they encourage the parents to bring
>>in treats for the whole group on the child's birthday, so that takes care of it
>>for the next year also.  No need to worry about parties, unless *you* want to.
>> 
>Oh ,boy, let me guess, your son is your oldest? My daughter was invited
>to her first birthday party when she was 3, by a classmate from daycare
>who was turning 4. 'How you gonna keep them down on the farm, after 
>they've seen Paree........'? Later that year we started the kid party
>route when my daughter turned 4. Good luck. I hope your plan works!
>                                      Patti Twigg

Well, I have to inject my inflamatory 2 cents in here.  I think Patti is right.
I have found starting at about 3.5, having friends became VERY important to
Mitchell.  More important than I could have dreamed.  And having 21 children
show up for HIS birthday party was better than any of the toys he recieved. 
He felt loved and popular and it did wonders for his self-esteem.  Yes, it was
some work.  But nothing else we could have done for him would have given his
newly emerging social self the boost that party did.  

So, before you chuck birthday parties, take a look at the needs of your child.
It may be that skipping the birthday party equates with skipping lunch on the
negligence scale.  

So, flame war anyone?
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when...
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:05:08 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.03

In <92226.152844ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>, ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET (<ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>)  wrote:
# 
# . . . you resign yourself to having dinosaurs decorate your 39th birthday
# cake!  :-)

  Perhaps they think that they'll remind you of younger days?
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--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
From: sj@hydra.UUCP (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help! - Lost net access today   :(
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:31:57 GMT



Our news feed from Motorola just disappeared today.  (They're
moving to Austin, TX.)  If anyone knows how I can get news, please
tell me.  I'm in Silicon Valley.

What will I do without misc.kids and rec.food.veg?

Also, could someone tell me if you see this?  I'm using an e-mail
address that's supposed to work for posting.


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From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: MATH QUIZ
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug21.212928.6546
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 16270@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>In article <1v_njkf.rdc@netcom.com>, rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy) writes:
>> 
>> 
>  [offensive joke deleted]
>
>What is this c**p doing on misc.kids?? Save it for alt.offensive.humor.
>
>Richard

I didn't get it.  I _still_ don't get it.  And now I find out it was offensive.
I have a _flair_ for offensive.  I offend everyone.  Well, maybe not everyone.
Maybe the original poster could explain it to me.  I am very disappointed in
myself.  Oh, well.

-- carl

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:54:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <2A8FFD43.452D@intercon.com>, ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry) writes:
> How other people choose to live their lives is not what concerns me.  What 
> does concern me is other people telling me that I am wrong for not buying 
> into the same belief structure as they do.

I don't think this is a problem limited to religious differences, although
I suppose it depends on how you define religious beliefs.  I would bet the
farm that no one can ever prove that this is a behaviour confined to
persons who call themselves Christians. (By the way, there IS a farm in
my life to bet.)

As a parent, which I suppose that all of us on this net group are or soon
will be, no matter what I did or do, there is always going to be someone
to tell me it was the wrong thing.  People are not shy about this, as far
as I can tell.  I was in Prange-Way, a KMart equivalent, and showed Madelaine
some Beauty and the Beast underwear I was buying for her.  I told her that
when she used the potty all the time, she could wear these.  3 strangers,
passers by to whom I was not speaking and had never spoken, chimed in on
the spot to tell me why that was the wrong approach, one that would never
work.  (By the way, it doesn't seem to have made much of an impression on
her, but that isn't part of this story.)

Mothers who work outside their homes and put their kids in daycare have
lots of stories of people and "scientific studies" that tell them that they are
ruining their kids lives by this.  Mothers who stay home with their kids
are continually told, subtly and not so subtly, that they are doing less
for themselves and their families than they would if they also had an
outside job.  Married women who place importance on an ability to support
themselves are told they aren't committed to their marriages and that they
don't trust their husbands.

So, what's my point?  It's more or less that I get tired of people bashing
Christians for behaviour that is by no means confined to that particular
group.  Telling another person that s/he is wrong because s/he did something
differently than you would have seems to be about 90% of the traffic on
many net groups, and it is not confined to Christians telling other people
what to do or not do.  I left some news groups (soc.women for example) because
of the high ratio of flames to all other traffic.

Kate Perkins

> 
> 
> 
>
From: lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Laurie Hafner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tantrums (2YO + 6YO)
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:02:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug21.010749.2205702@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes...

>I think this bears repeating.  Some children (most?) have a difficulty with
>transitions.  Mitchell is such a child.  He has to mentally adjust to change
>before the change takes place.  We have found the "warning" method 
>exceptionally helpful and a great reducer of tantrums.

Ditto.  We use a timer as our "warning" method.  We tell him that when the 
timer goes off in 5 minutes, he has to do X.  We used it a lot a few months
back and have tapered off some, but it really helps to have a "neutral party"
(the timer) helping to make the transition.  

Laurie Hafner, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa  52242
lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:34:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.080011.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>Hi again,
>  I have a question for everyone, and it may start another "war"
>
>But here it goes anyways!
>
>    Up to what age is it appropriate to have a child showering with
>mommy?
>
>  I say that when a kid reaches 2 and a half it's a little inapropriate,
>because they are starting to learn more.

I think that a lot of this has to do with how you view nudity.  I feel that as
long as the child wants to shower with Mom (or Dad) no big deal.  But I also
think it is healthy to have a relaxed attitude toward the naked body.

However, there are many child care experts that feel that when a child is in 
the oedipal/electra phase, seeing their opposite sexed parent nude arouses 
them and this is confusing for the child.  

So, as with most things, I think it depends on the child and the parent.  If
you aren't comfortable with you child after 2.5, then stop bathing with her.  
If the child isn't comfortable, by all means don't force it.  But, if all
parties are comfortable and enjoy bathing together, I don't see why not.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Funny card
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:47:31 GMT

This may be one of those instances that you have to be there
to appreciate the story, but here goes.

On Friday I found the greatest card at the grocery store.
Picture a bedroon the front, with the door bolted with
about 7 very large locks.  The caption at the top reads
"Mommy, Daddy? Are you in there?  The door is stuck!
I can't get in!  The inside sentiment read Where there
is a will there is a way.  We have been having troulble
with our son knocking on our door several times a
night.  I tied the card to a balloon and left it in
the closet for my husband.  He went to change after
work and thot it was relly funny.

Cathryn W. Chiesa

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: detrichb@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: test
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:57:13 PST
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego

thisis a test

From: dclark@hpscit.sc.hp.com (David Clark)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:28:52 GMT
Subject: Re: books about todlers?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In article <01GNGBJGURB4005UN8@CC.BRYNMAWR.EDU> CHIRLIAN@CC.BRYNMAWR.EDU writes:

> ... I've been
> looking in the local bookstores and it seems that only parents of infants
> read books; there's tons of books about the first year but few go further
> than that.  Are there any books specifically for the pre-preschool set?  I
> already have Spock and Penelope Leach which have sections about older
> babies. 

> So do any of you more experinced parents have any personnal
> favorites?  I'd love to hear about them.  Thanks... 

_The First Three Years of Life_ by Burton White has a lot of the
developmental information that we are interested in.  The content and
tone suits us much better than Spock or Leach.  It is based on many
years of research on early child development at Harvard.  His style
is to just tell you what he has found -- no authoritarian preaching or
gushing sentimentality.

Our main complaint about this book is that within each chapter the
organization seems a bit strange, with single topics being split up under
various headings, and repetition of ideas with slight rewording ("Didn't
I just read this four pages ago?").  I think it could have been edited
more thoroughly.  However, the content has been very useful to us.


> ...    Just so that you know, I only want to read these books for
> information and to try to get a broad view of different peoples opinions. 
> I'm not looking for a blueprint for raising my child. 

I agree with your attitude towards these books.  No author knows your
child as well as you do.

- David Clark
  dclark@scd.hp.com
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Blush
Date: 12 Aug 1992 13:37:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Just read misc.kids after a couple of days break, and
saw Marjorie and Laura's testimonies to my
daughter's adorable-ness.

thanks!!! (I think so too!)

-Dena

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:18:25 GMT

In article <2133@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>
>I like the features of the Fisher Price monitor the best (the
>volume is nice), but it seems as prone as any others (from what
>the store clerks tell me) to SHORTS that require you to jiggle
>and cajole the thing into working.  Actually, monitor number 3
>is starting to show signs of decay (right on schedule at 6 mo.)
>
>Maybe we use our monitor more, I dunno...has anyone else
>experienced this problem?  What brand do YOU like the best?
>
We've been very happy with our FP monitor -- it is almost 3 years old
and works as well as when we got it.  We use it a lot (well, it had
about a 1 year break before #2 came along). I hate to think how many
times I've dropped it!  I really like the light bar feature.

(Original poster... Two monitors might be convenient -- especially if
your have two kids!  I've had occasions where I've felt two would be
nice, but not very often. 

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:36:51 GMT

In article <92225.134901CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>How have other mothers/fathers been supportive of breastfeeding without
>appearing too judgemental?  My s-i-l started breastfeeding and ran into
>trouble at about 6 weeks when the baby wanted to nurse all the time.  I
>explained about growth spurts and supply and demand, but she was really
>feeling depressed about the experience.  On the one hand, I wanted to let
>her know that it gets easier, but on the other, I wanted to let her know
>that if she decided to give it up it wasn't to ruin her kid.  

Maybe she just doesn't want encouragement.  But, you can encourage ME if
you want!!.  My son at 7 1/2 weeks STILL wants to nurse ALL THE TIME.  
He weighed 9 pounds at his 2 week checkup and now he weighs 12 1/4.  
I sat on my butt and did virtually nothing else but nurse for my 6-week 
"maternity leave".  Now that I'm back at work, I sit on my butt and do 
virtually nothing else but nurse all evening on weekdays and all day 
on weekends.  It's not a problem of low milk supply, either.  When does 
the IT GETS BETTER PART START????  At 4 MONTHS when they can start 
getting rice cereal and so forth???  I don't know if I can wait that 
long!  I'm serious, I really want to know when this guy might slow 
down just a little!

I thought it would be better after the 6-week growth spurt.  But he's
still slurping it down.  Hmmmmph.  My husband is about to drive me crazy 
wanting to give him formula.  And I'm gettin tired of eating my husband's 
cooking.  If I do give a formula supplement, what's the best way to do 
it?  

This is entirely different than nursing my daughter.  She only nursed 
every 3 to 4 hours.  I barely even remember her HAVING growth spurts.  
I guess my mother-in-law was right, boys nurse a lot more than girls.  
She said boys suck on you and suck on you and suck all the milk you've 
got and then suck on you some more.  Grumble, grumble.  Well, I guess 
I shouldn't complain too much, at least I haven't gotten any plugged 
ducts.  
-- 
Laura Watson           lkw@falcon3.att.com   lkw@burt.att.com
                                 
Mom of Stephanie W. Zolayvar ( 2 yrs, 3 months ) and
       Eric W. Zolayvar (7 weeks)
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ear Thermometers
Date: 13 Aug 1992 18:58:04 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Aug12.235934.14760@octel.com>, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes:
|> Well, when they finally came out on the consumer market our daughter was
|> over two, and not as squirrely or as sickly as she used to be, so we 
|> haven't yet justified one for ourselves, however, we did think they were
|> wonderful presents for our two nephews.  Their mothers now swear by them.
|> (As they received them as newborn presents, they didn't think much of them,
|> until the doctor tried to take their tykes temperature under the arm.) 

What's wrong with taking the temperature under the arm? I mean this as a 
serious question, not a flame: I've been doing it under the arm, and I want 
to know if there's any problem with this. It just seems too easy to be 
adequate!

We are using a cheap quick digital thermometer that beeps when it's done. 
Maybe you're talking about the inconvenience of holding one of the slow 
glass types for three minutes or so. Or maybe it's just that my baby at 
3.7 months has not yet demonstrated to me how hard it can be to hold him
still for one minute.

The pacifiers with the fever indicator sealed in seemed like a great idea 
before I learned that true fussiness requires this baby to angrily spit 
out a pacifier! Never mind that any pacifier not made by Nuk is instantly 
rejected by this particular baby.

I was so happy to be told to take the temperature under the arm, and then 
to take the rectal temperature only if the temperature under the arm is 
over 97.6 degrees fahrenheit. I can take his temperature under the arm at 
any tiny suspicion, but I'd have to be more certain of there being *some* 
cause before I could go as far as taking his temperature rectally.

They told us at the hospital where Will was born that 97.6 axillary 
corresponds to 98.6 orally or 99.6 rectally, by the way.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cradle cap
Date: 12 Aug 1992 12:03:36 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


My pediatrician's office has a clipping
up on the bulletin board that says that
people have had *great* results using
Paul Mitchell brand baby shampoo for
eczema/cradle cap. It says that some
parents have used it as a body bath as well,
for eczema that's not confined to the scalp.

Haven't had to try this, so I don't have
any personal experience with it, but it
probably couldn't hurt. (around here,
Paul Mitchell shampoos are available
at beauty parlors/salons. this is their
*baby* shampoo, not the regular)

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nina@ee.gatech.edu ()
Subject: Re: Hand-foot-mouth (sympathy)
Organization: georgia tech
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:08:51 GMT

In article <92232.100009CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>, Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
> I'm just looking for sympathy.  We just went through a bout of
> hand\foot\mouth disease--Coxsackie virus--and hope to NEVER repeat the
> experience.  Douglas has been lucky to avoid ear infections during his soon
> to be completed first year, but this disease makes up for it.  He virtually
> did not eat or drink for 3 days (or sleep).  This is all compounded by his
> erupting molars.
> 
> But, he's better now and back at daycare (with the 4 other kids who came
> down with the same thing over the weekend).  Now, if mom and dad can
> recover....  Has anyone found an effective way to relieve the discomforts of
> the mouth sores?  I'm ready to buy Tylenol stock after this experience.
> 
> Was I the same person who said something about the joys of having kids????
> 
> Chris Himes

Chris:  this is a horrible thing. But don't be surprised to see it again.
Sean (19 mos old) has had it 2x in the last 8 mos. and it was much worse the 
2nd time -- probably because of his activity level at daycare.  And 3 others
had in his class too.  We used caladryl lotion and just coated him - this 
seemed to make him feel alot better - for his mouth we used some orajel on the
really bad spots outside his lips.  We soaked him in warm baking soda baths
which seemed to help the diaper area. He didn't eat much either.  Lots of
tylenol too (he hates Benadryl and won't take it) but the ped. did recommend
an antihistamine.  He couldn't wear shoes for days and his little hands
were so swollen.  He slept alot because of a low grade fever and just
malaise.  After we started the lotion though and 2 baths a day he was much
improved the third day. 

Sorry this happened... its pitiful! 

Nina
> 
> 
>
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:40:25 GMT
Distribution: misc.kids
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Aug18.211514.3088@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>I dont have a water bed, but recently turned down one. I would say that
>if someone had a C-Section it would be impossible to get out of a waterbed
>for the first week or so. It was hard enough getting in and out of a regular 
>bed. For a couple of days after getting out of the hospital (day 4) the
>way I got out of my bed was to carefully move over to the side of the bed,
>carefully swing my legs onto the floor, and *carefully* use my arms to 
>raise myself up to a sitting position. I cant think how I would have done it
>on a waterbed.  Getting into bed I sort of reversed the whole procedure.
>>
>
>Laura Floom

  I do have a waterbed, and I loved mine during pregnancy, and I loved mine
after my c-section, and I loved mine after my second (VBAC) delivery.
I've got arthritis, worst in my knees, and that gives me another reason
to love it.  The concerns about the heater can be eliminated by putting the
heater on a timer so it runs when you aren't likely to be in it (it doesn't
run all the time anyway).  As for getting out of it, I found the same
technique worked for the end of my pregnancy and after my c-section -- I
kind of rolled myself out.  I found it easier (after a try or two) than
getting in or out of a regular bed or even off the couch.  I also was   
*lots* more comfortable lying in it both before and after delivery because
it supports and cradles you in a way a regular mattress doesn't.  Some
people have told me they had trouble nursing in a waterbed, but I didn't.
I never left my infants in it, but as they grew, both kids have loved
playing in it.  My daughter could actually walk on the waterbed before
she could walk on the floor, which amazes me, since it takes incredible
effort to deal with the constantly shifting balance! 

 					Susanne Gilliam
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: another reason not to spank
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:48:07 GMT
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

In article <1992Aug19.212252.2204281@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom
Tyrer) writes:

> I hit the car seat instead of him. 

I praise you for your restraint.  If more parents reacted this way,
the world would be a lot less violent a place.  And, seeing what
this outburst did to the blood vessels in your hand, I'm sure
you are glad that it's your hand and *not* your child's body.

Good job, Judy!


-- 
Paulette Leeper                               paulette.leeper@daytonOH.NCR.COM
NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
++++++++++++++++513-445-6289   VP 622-6289   FAX 513-445-2468+++++++++++++++++
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 15:28:44 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when...

. . . you resign yourself to having dinosaurs decorate your 39th birthday
cake!  :-)

--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids