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From:         Susan Cady <IRMCS013@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      hi i'd liike to introduce myself. my name is senija

From:    Susan Cady
Hi.

Sue Cady
Smithsonian
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Subject:      Re: Problems with small fonts displaying on button bar, etc...

I'm not sure if this is your solution but you can try... In windows
there are fonts that are used for display purposes. Be sure you do not
delete these fonts other wise windows will pick something else to use and
then it can ge unreadable.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:18:02 CDT
From:         Domingo Martinez <AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dislike for WPWIN

As I contributed to this complaining about WPWIN, I do think that it is
totally appropriate to indicate ehat is wrong with the program.  One of
the big advantages of WP Corp is its user support.  And I do complain
directly to them too.  For instance, I have faced a problem of total
crashes when trying to print a file, which WPCorp has not been able to
solve. I have invested several hours at the phone with them, because
I want the thing to work right for me (and hence to everybody else).  They
are very aware that one of the main complaints is how long WPWIN takes to
do everything related to printing through the Windows Print Manager. Even
adding a font takes for ever, and sometimes (like in my unsolved case)
freezes so much so that even good'ol Ctrl-Alt-Del does not help.

I have in fron of me a letter from WP Corp (Problem Resolution Group) which
acknowledges these problems and tells me not to despair, because they are
working on it.  That is the right way to answer user's complaints.

Please accept my disagreement  with the way Greg Schlierf reacts.  If I PAY
for a product that does not deliver, it is just right to complain. WP Corp
does not give refunds, and that is why they have user technical support.
Other software companies do give you refunds.  In that case, the advise to
stop using the product is correct, because you get your money back.

And please, there are many people who react saying they have not had any
problems with WPWIN.  Good for them, because they may be using some
features which are not as buggy as others.  I have personally requested
WPCORP to make the following improvements (which is not bitching, but
feeding back):

1. Make WPWIN a better-behaved Windows application. Way too often, WPWIN
   takes over the whole environment for housekeeping tasks (like updating
   the printer drivers, and upon exiting)

2. Add more customization capabilities to the button bar.

3. Forget about the PreView document (which is horrible) and make it a
   true Wysiwig environment.

4. Give option to select fonts for buttons, Thesaurus, and Speller, which
   often presents a very small font.

Different people have different problems, and it is just right to look for
improvements.  Even the WINfile Manager produces protection errors once in
a while, which it should not!

Thanks for your patience. And I will keep complaining.  They listen.

Domingo
AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:34:02 EDT
From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      The last bug.

It has been a month now that I have gone through one headache after
another with WPWIN.  I cannot believe the number of bugs and program
limitations that I have encountered.  File transfer problems between
wp dos and wpwin (files saved in wpwin will cause wp to lockup, necessitating
a reboot), I just encountered another system error when simply trying to
view a file, the same file now has all the dot characters (4,0) changed
into a vertical line throughout a 160 page doc.  The full page print preview
does not display the type, only a series of solid lines, text display in 12
and 10 point is incredibly poor, zooming from 150% back to 50% will not work
(wierd things keep happening).  I feel I have wasted 150$ and a considerable
amount of time.  As the author of one modest book and another forthcoming,
I am going to recommend that WPWIN is the worst piece of programing and
poorly tested piece of software I have ever encountered.

Am I being presecuted for sins in my youth or former life, or have others
found this program to be a heartache for those looking for the perfect
word processor romance?

Is it worth my time complaining to WP Corp or        is the lesson simply
"Don't buy first edition software"?


Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa

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From:         LEO PLUGGE <VRDP3PLU@RULIMBURG.NL>
Subject:      Re: Dislike for WPWIN

In a reply Domingo wrote:

>Please accept my disagreement  with the way Greg Schlierf reacts.  If I PAY
>for a product that does not deliver, it is just right to complain. WP Corp
>does not give refunds, and that is why they have user technical support.
>Other software companies do give you refunds.  In that case, the advise to
>stop using the product is correct, because you get your money back.

My comment: hear, hear!

>I have personally requested
>WPCORP to make the following improvements (which is not bitching, but
>feeding back):
>
>1. Make WPWIN a better-behaved Windows application. Way too often, WPWIN
>   takes over the whole environment for housekeeping tasks (like updating
>   the printer drivers, and upon exiting)
>
>2. Add more customization capabilities to the button bar.
>
>3. Forget about the PreView document (which is horrible) and make it a
>   true Wysiwig environment.
>
>4. Give option to select fonts for buttons, Thesaurus, and Speller, which
>   often presents a very small font.
>
>Domingo

My comment again: hear, hear!

Don't forget: some of us don't have much choice due to compagny policy.


Leo

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:43:53 -0400
From:         "(Chaplain Steve)" <srsch@MVAX.CC.CONNCOLL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The last bug.

Michael,

I hope you have the interim release of WPWIN (dated april).  It corrected
several of the major bugs.  I must admint that on my system (which is a 486/25
E with tons of memory, etc.) I have "NO" difficulty with the present version
of WPWIN.  I only once generated a general protection fault, never a UAE
(though again you really need the windows 3.1) and am very pleased with how it
is performing.  Often I discover that people who are having problems have a
strange hardware configurations, etc.

By all means, call WPCorp.  Since it costs you nothing, they may actually be
able to help.  They have a huge databases of people who have had problems and
the sort of hardware that they are using.

I just wanted to assure you that some of us are having very few problems
with the current verison of WPWIN>
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:18:55 CDT
From:         Domingo Martinez <AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The last bug.
              7 Oct 1992 21:34:02 EDT from <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>

I subscribed to the list with hopes or getting around several of the bugs
Michael Strangelove and others have found.  I use WP and WPWIN basically
because everybody else does and we have to exchange files.  But with the
import/export abilities of other programs improving considerably, I do not
feel compelled to use WPWIN any longer.   We just got AmiPro, which has some
interface idiosincrasies we have to learn, but otherwise looks beautiful,
even though it is too early to know about its bugs.  But it is quite faster
than WPWIN, as far as I have been able to see it (very little).

After that piece of my mind, I want to suggest that list members posting
messages always specify the WPWIN release they are using.  As far as I know,
there is only the original release and the one dated 30 April 1992, which
are very different for two interim releases of the same program.  (I have had
problems tranferring files from one release to the other!)

I hope WP has its act together.  Now I am back at WordStar 7 (release C), which
looks a lot like Windows (click everything, including fonts, close file, exit
program) to write manuscripts, and jumping all the way to PageMaker for
composing and "nice-ing".  By the way,  WS7 has the ability to transfer a
block of text directly to the Windows Clipboard.  Check it, you old WS hands.

Cheers,

AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU
From: 441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA (MICHAEL STRANGELOVE)
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I referred the problem of wpwin file lockup in wp dos to my university
computing services and they confirmed the bug on a number of machine
configurations and spent over an hour on the phone with wp corp.  The
file is being sent to Utah and wp will try to get to the bottom of the
matter.  One thing has become clear, the bug is concerned with tables.

I will post to wpwin-l when word comes in from wp corp on the problem.

On wpwin program failure while using print preview, I have found that
this happens whenever auto backup activates while previewing.  I have
turned autobackup off and acquired a habit of saving docs every few minutes
(in light of other system failures). There has been no problem with
print preview since doing this (although i cannot believe how slow it is,
even on a 486/50).

I initially despaired of wasting 150$ on wpwin -- turns out that wp
automatically licenses owners of wpwin with wp dos, so I can purchase
the lastest upgrade of wp dos from wpcorp for ten dollars.


Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:29:39 EDT
From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Deselecting Fonts from Ruler

I am unable to determine how to delete a font from the selection of
fonts that are listed (once chosen) under the FONT button of the ruler
bar.  The RULER FONTS MENU does not have a delete option.

Any hints?


Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa

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From:         LEO PLUGGE <VRDP3PLU@RULIMBURG.NL>
Subject:      Re: Object Linking - does it work?

>I am running Windows 3.1 which includes object linking. WordPerfect for Windows
>also supposedly supports this. However, I have had no success so far in pasting
>link
>data into a WordPerfect document, either from Notepad, Windows Write or
>Paintbrush. The Paste Link command is always greyed out, even when I follow the
>directions in the WP manual exactly. I have also tried the Create Link command,
>but this doesn't seem to work eiter. Is there anyone out there that can give me
>a tip, or does this just not work at all?
>
>Koren Mitchell

Good to hear that I'm not the only one with problems concerning DLL.

I solved part of the problem with WP4WIN by using a different COMMDLG.DLL.
Some programs take that DLL-file with them and copy it onto your original
DLL-file.
The one I use successfull with WP4WIN has the following DIR information:
commdlg 89408 (bytes) 21-03-92
while the "wrong" file was slightly larger, just a few bytes.

To be honest, I'm am not sure that is the only reason why it worked.
I've also entered WP4WIN in REGEDIT.EXE, in case that was required.

Write.exe, however, still doesn't let me use DLL. The menu comes up ok,
but all options are grayed.

Is there someone out there who _really_ knows how to get this runnig?!


Leo.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:56:31 EST
From:         "ROGER B. @ (812) 855-3475" <PARKS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: hi i'd liike to introduce myself. my name is senija

Friday, October 09, 1992  7:54pm

what is happening with this list?  appears that messages are being
repeated with some frequency - reading them is like 'deja vu all over
again', plus the non-content level is rising at a near exponential rate.
From: AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.BITNET (Domingo Martinez)
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Subject: Re: Problems with small fonts displaying on button bar, etc...
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:16:46 GMT
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I experienced the same problem and called WP Corp, and they suggested to
play with the [FontSubstitutes] section of Win.ini, which I did, but ended
up developing problems in other programs (in particular WINHELP.exe).

WP Corp does not have a fix.  They have followed the same technique that
programmers do in selecting fonts for the help files, that is, they base
their choice in assumptions regarding which fontsthe user has installed.
If you happen to choose the "wrong" fonts, you may end up with horrible
type in the help windows.


I have exchanged mail and phone with WP Corp, and requested to either improve
their choice of default fonts (Arial for Win 3.1 would be nice), or give the
user the option to select fonts, like they do in WP's own file manager.

Perhaps you may want to wait until the next release.

Cheers,

AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:48:32 CDT
From:         "(Diana Diehl-Dryan)" <ddryan@NCSA.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bioacoustics text
Comments: To: ETHOLOGY@finhutc.bitnet

If you receive some acceptable recommendations, will you post them, or your
final choice, in the mailing list?
Thanks
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:41:00 CDT
From:         Jack P Hailman <JHAILMAN@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Bioacoustics text

I would appreciate recommendations for a college text on bioacoustics to
be used in a one-semester, advanced-undergraduate/beginning-graduate
course devoted to biacoustics.  Ideally, the text should include coverage of
physical acoustics, recording and storing of sounds, playback equipment and
techniques, sound transmission in the environment, spectrographic and other
analyses, sound production and hearing in animals, and an introduction to
acoustical communication.

Please send replies to me at

        JHailman@MACC.Wisc.edu

or

        JHailman@WiscMACC.bitnet

Thank you.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:04:28 -0400
From:         "Stephen J. Clark" <CLARK@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject:      digital time clocks

Hi,

I would like to put the lights in my lab on a time clock and would like to
get away from the mechanical and unreliable Tork clocks.  Does anyone know a
source (brand, price, etc.) for a good, reliable digital replacement?

Stephen Clark
Vassar College
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:43:00 CDT
From:         Jack P Hailman <JHAILMAN@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bioacoustics text

I appreciate the response so far concerning a recommendation for a text
on bioacoustics; no one has yet come up with an overall text, but I
have from several sources recommendations for material to be "pieced
together."  In reply to several inquiries, I should be happy to provide
a list of the recommendations received, after a sufficient period for
everyone with suggestions to reply.  Cheers.

Jack P. Hailman, Dept. of Zoology
Univ. of Wisconsin, Madison, WI 53706
608/262-2636 (lab)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:59:31 BSC
From:         Kleber Del Claro <DEBIO05@BRUFU.BITNET>
Subject:      Subscription

Dear Sir,

I would like to take my subscription in this list in ethology.
I am a young teacher in an Federal university in Brazil, making a doctorate in
behavioral ecology of arthropods. Thank you,
Sincerely yours,
Kleber Del Claro.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:58:03 CDT
From:         "(Diana Diehl-Dryan)" <ddryan@NCSA.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: digital time clocks
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Would you mind forwarding or posting any information on timers that you get
by E-mail?  Thanks

Diana Diehl-Dryan
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:57:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      New nature vs. two natures.

Jesse,

Where is that Pauline quote, I can't seem to put my finger on it.  In Romas
four, Paul says that God can declare things that aren't as though they
were, so maybe this is what Paul is meaning by the "all old things are
passed away" quote, I'm not sure.  I am sure that Christians have a dual
nature, if that's not true, I don't know anyone who is a Chrisian, and
never have.

Dan Graham
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Subject: Re: Help please with a Marriage question....
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:17:30 GMT
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Excerpts from christia: 16-Oct-92 Help please with a Marriage.. Jeff A.
Dilcher@GSUSGI2. (1884)

> Well, here is my question.  According to 1corinthians 7 10-11, should
> she never marry again after this situation?  The reason that I ask is
> that I have become reaquainted with her, we have been dating,  and I
> wish to make her my wife.  We are very much in love, and both want to
> marry one another. I was very comfortable about my decision to marry her
> until I came upon this passage tonight. Now I am confused. Any advice
> that could come from a spirit filled believer to marry her until I came
> upon this passage tonight. Now I am
> confused. Any advice that could come from a spirit filled believer would
> be greatly appreciated. I some how can not believe that it is God's will
> for us not to be together because of the the terrible experience she
> endured which was called a "marriage".

Did you read the following verses? "But if the unbeliever leaves, let
him do so. A believing
man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to
live in peace."

Of course this does not say whether the believer is permitted to remarry.

My opinion, based on Catholic divorce law, is that the circumstances of
her marriage was such that it really wasn't a true marriage; she made
the decision hastily, or perhaps was coerced into it, or whatever.  It
does not sound like a valid marriage.

I would encourage you in this case to look to the spirit instead of the
letter of the law . . .

Eric
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