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From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Grumman Corporation
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:34:05 GMT

There has been a tremendous amount of voluminous discussion about
these issues, there obviously people on both sides of the issue.  I
think it is a shame that more US companies don't use the same tactics
as Kodak did in defending against Fuji.
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From: dcroz@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Not a Myth at All
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:24:09 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

 
 
Kentaro Nakamichi writes:
 
=}Try to speak their language.
 
     This is the worst possible advice.  Firstly, it opens your consciousness
to a whole new world of bigotry every time a Japanese opens his mouth. 
Secondly, a fluent ketou is, as I've been told by numerous Japanese, "Kimochi
warui."
 
=}Remember, when in Rome, do as the good Romans do.
 
     To take your advice, I would have to talk loudly about "J*ps this, and
J*ps that," everywhere I go.  I'm not going to do that.
From: justin@aix3090b.uky.edu (Justin P Sullivan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: SEXISM IN JAPANESE WORKPLACE!!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:41:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: justin

cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung) writes:

>Hello,

Hi there..

>I also read an article regarding to a legal case in Japan which deals with
>a female employee sueing against her boss because of the sexist remarks
>that he made. That was the FIRST case of its kind that gained an
>international awareness. I felt very angry and frustrated when it said
>LESS THAN 3 % OF THE CORPORATE PROFESSIONAL JOBS ARE HELD BY WOMEN!!!!

Women read too much.. :)
I bet that far less than 3% of corporate professionals in America are
held by blacks or hispanics. What's your point?

>What kind of society is that? We are in 1992, aren't we? If the Japanese
>businessmen think that this is a tradition, then I should say "it is a
>tradition of Japanese to deprive womens' right!!!!<--------haha, what kind
>of traditon is that????

A very OLD tradition.. Certainly not one that is unique to Nihongo. 
MANY societies of the world not only deprive women of 'rights,' but of 
everything else as well.. Most Greek city-states (to cite a classical,
intellectual example :) had very little respect for women..

>Anyway, I wonder how long will it take to eliminate all the sexist
>prejudice held by the corporate society in Japan---> at least to the same 
> degree in North American. Well, although we still have prejudice in North
>Amercia, we have moved quick fast recenty toward sex-equality. For
>instance, most of the managers are now females; we have 50% of female
>students in Medical and law schook; 25% in engineering...etc. I wonder how
>long will the Japanse society take to match the same level of equality as
>in North America.

I beg your pardon? If you haven't noticed, things in America have never
been equal. They still aren't, and it's only a few weeks until 1993.
Nowadays, with all this 'sexual harassment' BS, the law FAVORS women! 
That doesn't seem very 'equal' to me. Regardless of the outcome, it wasn't
in a hurry to get here. American prejudices are simple things.. The most
acceptable person is a rich white American-born MAN. Women, blacks,
native Americans and foreigners aren't so lucky.



>Any comments will be highly appreciated.

As was the query..
From: fax@thrust.Corp.Sun.COM (Fax Guy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: test
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:23:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: fax@thrust.Corp.Sun.COM (Fax Guy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thrust.corp.sun.com

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From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is Riki a ruse?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:51:04 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec11.162200.2869@island.COM> fester@island.COM 
(Mike Fester) writes:

  >In article <1992Dec9.034854.29094@leland.Stanford.EDU
  >underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

  >>He reminds me most of the morons who post regularly in soc.culture.china,
  >>soc.culture.taiwan, and/or soc.culture.hongkong.  We occasionally witness
  [stuff deleted]
  >>There are 3 possibilities about Mr. Asano's identity.
  >>(1) His account is really being used by the real Mr. Asano's Chinese
  >>    "friend".
  >>(2) Mr. Asano is a Chinese with Japanese citizenship.
  >>(3) Mr. Asano is probably the most successful AI program in human history
  >>    and is written by the real Mr. Asano.  Alan Turing would be amazed.

  >Typical of this poster's 'information content'. Mr Joe fails to believe that
  >people are individuals. Ie, he feels all Japanese must be alike, all Koreans,
  >all Chinese, etc. He then labels all other people according to his view of

Just to add something to Mike's very graceful defense of MY ancestry,
I know Chuugokujin that are bigger than Takahanada, sing better than 
most Nihonjin (in Japanese!), are smarter than most Nihonjin and major
in Engineering at that great institution north of your silly campus, and
can out drink, out eat, out bike, out fish, nado...heck...almost fits my
description! :-) Conclusion: You've sure got a bigoted view of Chinese, 
dude, but what else is new... 

Warning:  The SF Bay Area is a small place...be a naughty boy and for
Christmas, I'll have Rikiya sic you like a rabid dog, and when he pins
you, I'm going to tie you up next to my Sony speakers and force you to
listen to my renditions of Bakufu-Slump songs a hundred times over.
8-).

Jaa, James
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,soc.culture.usa,misc.education
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:13:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.085204.4050@pegasus.com> tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) writes:
>irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>
>Brent:  I'm sorry but you're off base on this one.  The students are lazy
>and unmotivated and relatively speaking rather stupid.  Their parents are
>lazy and unmotivated and equally stupid along with the teachers.

What a cool sound-bite, did you copy it from _People_ magazine or did
you make it up all by yourself?

>I don't think anyone was trying to equate success and school education
>and Bill Gate's is not the example of laziness you try and make it but
>rather the opposite.  The lazy people are the ones who after 12 years
>or more still can't read and write in their native language, not the
>one's who can't sit around and start businesses instead.

Yes, but Bill Gates DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL.  You, my friend, are a victim
of media sensationalism and cute snappy sound bites.

>
>Teachers BTW, are paid exactly what they are worth, not a penny less,
>not a penny more.  There is not "teacher pay" formula but the one we
>all use, supply and demand.  If there was a demand for better teachers
>they would be hired.  Don't confuse "desire" and demand.  A demand means
>you're willing to trade something of value, a desire is something that
>a genie might grant you but it doesn't require trading anything of value.

Unfortunatley, you ASSUME that the market works perfectly.  When people
decide to pay teachers more, then better teachers will result.  I agree
that you get what you pay for, but the decision process is now "Do we
pay teachers more or not?"  

>Look what Americans argue about, whether unmarried sex is okay, can a
>person see naked titties on TV, if you let a kid drink a beer they
>become drug addicts.  Collectively America is an overweight, 220 year old
>child who accepts the accolades and places the blame.  Individually it
>has some great people in it but they are stymied by the blabbering
>kid who wants all the attention.

Boy, and that is ALL we think about.  Nothing else at all.  Everyone
stays up at night worrying.  

Overweight?  Blabbering kid?  Neat imagery, but again a cute noisy meaningless
sound-bite.

>
>tom
 ^^^
	twit supreme


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From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi and Malaysia
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:14:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Ef_dlsy00iV144Sbox
	<7514@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. Greenfield wrote,

> 
>>Has anyone else heard the news that a small village in Malaysia has been
>>affected apparently from waste from a Mitsubishi plant? 
>THe plant mentioned is Asian Rare Earth (ARE), a joint venture by
>Mitsubishi Chemical and a Malaysian Company processing chemicals
>for electronic industry which produce radioactive watse that the plant
>dumped near the village.

I have been asking my many Malayians friends about this. So, far, I have got a
an "I haven't heard anything about this". I think I even questioned this
on Soc. Cul.Asean. So, far nothing. But, this reminds me of an incident
in Minamota
with the Chisso Co.(if it is true and for Mitsubishi let hope not). 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:32:08 GMT

In article <BzC2v7.24D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwwillia@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Williams) writes:
>I'll be honest.  I had forgotten that TSU was a predominantly black, poor,
>urban school when I read about the incident.  I just had a vision of 120 
>college kids rampaging in Akihabara: I didn't consider their race.  Somehow I
>feel mollified in that Japanese people will condemn blacks specifically, and
>not Americans generally, for their behavior.  A couple of Japanese that I
>talked to said that this would be the case.
>
>Does their background excuse their behavior?  Being a white male in the
>middle of Indiana I do not feel comfortable answering this, but I have to
>say no.  To not expect minimally descent behavior from people is to condemn
>them as inherently indecent.

Excuse this AMAZINGLY stupid question on my part, but what the HELL difference
does it make WHAT color those students were? There is NO place in the world
where this sort of behavior is tolerated by civilized people. Not Africa,
America, Europe, or Asia. Not only did they steal, they stole from people while
on a school trip; guests in a foreign country. There is NO acceptable double 
standard for behavior: what those students did was WRONG, and they were 
extremely fortunate not to be thrown in jail. 

>Well, I guess it was not stupid at all for them.  They made of with $4000 in 
>electronics.  

The president of TSU promises to expel all students involved. The students 
have left a bad image for other American students to live with when they visit.
On top of that, TSU had one of the most famous marching bands in the US, and
now that name is going to be connected with this incident.  Yeah, REAL smart.

Mike

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From: jnguyen@ritz.mordor.com (Jack Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Rikiya Asano and blatant namism (racism by another name)
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:02:43 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I have quietly watched this newsgroup for a while and I am
amazed at the level of racism exhibited by Rikiya Asano.  It
disturbs me that a person who claims to (a) have an undergraduate
education and is working on a graduate degreee and (b) claims
to pal around with people of many races still has such a blatantly
racist and bigoted attitude.  Each time I see:

You are black so it is OK if you say such and such...
Obviously you are Greek so what you say is OK....
You sound Jewish so you can say anything too....
You are a white piece of scum...fuck you...

I am disgusted by this person, especially since he claims to
"love" my country.  I feel like throwing up.  I honestly wish
the sysadmins at CMU would see some of his vile material and
pull his account.  I'm sick of his David Duke in a twinkie
costume attitude.  Perhaps, if enough people put this person
in their kill file he will become bored with the silence and
go away...

Sadly,

Jack Nguyen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:36:42 GMT

In article <Bz3ywK.I7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
 
[...]

|> if you were to ask an American
|> 
|> 	"Is the education system perfect?"
|> 		Ans(I assume): no
|> 
|> 	"Is the education system adequate?"
|> 	"Is the education system satisfactory?"
|> 
|> You might get different answers.

I think the answer to all three is a clear "No."  My daughter goes to
one of the better (private) schools in the country (Punahou) and even
there I would only very grudgingly accept that she is getting an
adequate education (among other failings science could be much better
taught and, of course, they stick to the idiotic layer-cake scheme for
teaching science, just like everybody else). It is unnecessary to
compare American schools to Japanese or to schools anywhere; the
product of the public school system is quite simply of inadequate
quality, as any employer can verify.

What to do about it?  The Economist (Dec 5?) in their Political
Consultants column (Advice to the President-elect), has some
worthwhile suggestions.
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: RiKKKi 1/2
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:37:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: NCoast.BzELq9.2Mt
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH



Has anybody seen the new cartoon character being discussed here?  I think it's
called RiKKKi 1/2.  It's about a racist hermaphrodite suffering from 
impotence and a passive agressive complex.  When its detractors pour a bucket
of crap onto it, it changes into a simpering teenager and runs away.  The
RiKKKi/RiKKKiko transition is quite amusing....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:04:08 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is Riki a ruse?
	<1992Dec11.162200.2869@island.COM>

Mr. Fester writes:

> 
>There is a fourth possibility. He is a visiting student from Japan, born and
>raised in Japan. 
 
This is true!

>Actyally, you have attacked several people on several newsgroups. Need we
>re-post some of your gems from, eg, s.c.a.a.?

You have to remember! Mr. Joe hates being Chinese because of the stress
that he endured from cultural shock while being a kid! I also went
though cultural shock
But I'ma going shock it right back!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:45:14 GMT

In <BzDo1L.2w7@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

[much of a well reasoned and worded post deleted...]

>[1] In Japan, stepping into someone else's private property without (or with)
>    a criminal intention almost never ends up being aimed at by the owner with
>    a real gun. (If you break into Yamaguchi-gumi yakuza boss's house,
>    your milage might vary...) 

Focusing on this point for a moment, is there some cultural, societal, or
physical situation in Japan thast makes it "more right", or more appropriate,
or even commonplace for a person to enter another's private property?
This is another place that there might be a critical cultural difference.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,misc.consumers
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:38:38 GMT

In article <BzD3Hw.ICy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

|> 
|> What tax braket are *you* in?  I end up paying 30%[federal] + 7% [fica] +
|> 3% [state] = 40% in taxes.



Actually, you probably pay less.  You probably pay around 20% federal since
you pay nothing on the part you get for a standard deduction, 15% on another
part, 28% on another part, and possibly 31% on a small part if you make a
lot of money.  Furthermore, if you make more than the FICA cutoff, you
may only be paying 5% or 6% in FICA overall.  Of course there are sales
taxes, property taxes, gasoline taxes, utility taxes, etc. but they don't
amount to much more than another 5%.  There's no way to justify the
original figure of 60%.  The original poster may be including taxes paid
by employers, but it still doesn't come up to 60% of the total.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: RIKIYA ASANO
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:59:26 GMT

In article <of_faWi00iV1E4SX1F@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Mr. Masuda writes:
>
>>  As far as I know, there's no censorship in s.c.j., but there is a 
>>peer pressure which seems to be rational and helpful to keep the
>>integrity of the group. This pressure does not affect the content
>>of the posting but the way how a netter posts. As I mentioned several
>>times, Mr. Asano seems to have some technical problems; he doesn't
>>seem to know how to respond by e-mail, and if my memory serves me 
>>correctlly, he has never cited other netters' message in his posting
>>as I am doing now.

    I admit that I was wrong in understanding that you were unable to either 
respond by e-mail or quote others' message. Gee, you are getting better.

>The reason that I don't reply by e-mail for all of my post is because
>some people use e-mail as a curtain to hide their "Cowardly" opinions.

    Even if you reply by e-mail, that would not make you a coward. 
What's wrong with someone else's being a chicken? Does it hurt you?

    I'd rather respect some netters who are capable of exchanging their
opinions by e-mail in a face-to-face manner. Actually, discussing by
e-mail without the support of other netters who have the same opinion
requires a good amount of courage. Only a brave man (uh, and woman, of
course) can do it. 8-) 

>Like this one
>from my e-mail( the names were delete to protect the Asshold):
      ^^ ^^^^^^
    Do you mean, "from my mailbox"? You are not the one who wrote the
following mail, are you? 

>>   Zenryaku 'Asano'-kun,
>>Isi no dentatu wa muzukasii mondane. Tokuni otagaini daiiti gengo de hanasana-
>>kya naranto... Dakara kono tegami wa Hihongo de kaite masu. Anata no tegami wo
>>yondakedo, oreno uketa insyo^ wa 'atama kakusite siri kakusazu.'

   Ok. Then, the writer is writing in Japanese which is NOT his "daiiti gengo"
(first language) in order to make "isi no dentatu" (communication) easier, 
right?   

.....
>> anata no gendo wo miru nowa taegatai koto
>>deari sosite onazi(hontokayo^) nihonzin tosite hazi dearu kotowo anata wa
>>rikai dekirukana?

   ??? Is the writer "Nihonzin" (Japanese)? Why is Japanese not his first
language? Is he an immigrant?

>{Name Deleted}

>>p.s. Mosi kono tegami no eigo ban ga hituyo^ nara ittekure :)

   Why don't you ask for one?

>>p.p.s. Betuni anta no kyo^dai dake ga anta no siriai dake dewa nakaro^ni.

   ????? Is he your brother?

>>p.p.p.s. Nande ore ga antano yatin yara nanyara harawanakya naran noda?
>>	antano seisin kozo^ wa hontoni ore no meniwa hi-nihonzin-teki
>>	ni uturun dakedone.

   Did you ask him to pay your rent?

>>p...s. nanka konna kotositeru kotosae anta no omou tubo nanka na?

   No, not at all 8-).

>I not interested in Japanese "only" feelings!

   Would you explain what the "Japanese 'only' feelings" are?

--Michiaki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,soc.culture.usa,misc.education