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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mark Heard
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:03:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep8.133104.28651@hsr.no> david-s@ifi.hsr.no writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.195343.5396@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>> I hate death.  
>
>1. Cor 15,54-58: 'But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruptibility,
>and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the
>word written: Death has been swallowed up in victory. Where, O death, [is]
>thy sting? where, O death, thy victory? Now the sting of death [is] sin, and
>the power of sin the law; but thanks to God, who gives us the victory by our
>Lord Jesus Christ. So then, my beloved brethren, be firm, immovable, abounding
>always in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in [the]
>Lord.'
>
>Phil. 1,21: 'For for me to live is Christ, and to die gain'
>
>Rev. 21,4: 'And he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shal
>not exist any more, nor grief, nor cry, nor distress shall exist any more,
>for the former things have passed away.'
>
>These are some of the most comforting and joyful words in the Bible for me.
>They have been to great help for me, and doubtlessly, many others, and I
>hope they will also be helpful to you all.  
>
>Yours in Christ,

These are indeed comforting, hopeful words.  I trust that Mark Heard
is now experiencing the reality of those truths.

In the meantime, there is the small reality of thousands of dollars
of medical bills, and a grieving wife, and a four-year-old little
girl who probably doesn't understand why her daddy isn't there 
anymore.  I agree with what you've posted.  I just don't want to 
trivialize the tragedy of death.  It matters.  And it's horrible.

For the present time the "former things" are all too much with us.
Good Christians still suffer and die tragically.  And I think it's
okay to hate that.  At any rate, whether it's okay or not, I *do*
hate it.

The verses you've posted are sort of "bottom line" verses for me.  
They're either true or they're not.  If they're not true, then
suffering and senseless tragedy have the last word, and there's
nothing left to do but despair.  If they *are* true, then we
will eventually understand, and all our emptiness and grief and
stupid doubts and unanswered questions will be swept away, and
we will see God face to face.  This is what I believe.  But I 
also know that I haven't been able to "spiritualize" away the
pain in the tragedies and deaths that I've had to deal with,
and I'd bet that Janet and Rebecca Heard can't either.  

This world sucks, and this world isn't all that there is.  That's
the tension we all live with.  And I still hate death.

>David

Andy Whitman
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From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: realy cool amoral cover tunes
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:48:40 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

I read the previous thread about amoral music - specificaly concerning
a cover of the tune "dream on".  One thing that Christians need to
realize is that they are not the only ones that need to be witnessed
to.  If I were bringing a friend that did not have a relationship with
God to such a concert, I would like them to come away saying "that was
a realy cool cover of dream on... I also liked the way they tied it in
with their other song...  what did the mean when they said ..."

In addition, many non-Christians are under the impression that
Christians are stuck in their own little world with no apreciation for
"real" culture and talent.  

Here is another "hypothetical" situation: a small-time band of
Christians is trying to make a living by playing music.  Like most
small-time bands they play the local club circuit.  Should they
disturb the Christians in the audience by playing some secular covers
or should they compromise reaching out to the non-christians by
relating to them in the common love for music that they share??

I hope that my thoughts aren't too cluttered.

peace,

phil burt


ps.  Did anybody see Steve Taylor in concert on the "I predict..."
tour?  He did a realy cool cover of "born to be wild".  And, does
anyone know what the Prince tune is that Scattered Few samples in one
of their songs?  Just curious!
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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:04:50 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <88165@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>Here's a thought:  As someone who's never been part of the drug
>culture, I had no idea "Dream On" was used by people as a soundtrack
>for getting high 20 years ago.  My guess is that the individual who
>performed it in concert also had no idea.  If they also weren't part
>of the culture during that time, how could they know? 

Well, the song was performed by a group known for their drug use and wild
life (Aerosmith).  I find it hard to imagine that an artist would cover a
song without knowing anything about it or its creator's history.
>
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> 
> I think elevator music is amoral, devoid of moral fiber (and music
> content as well), it doesn't uplift me and it doesn't offend me, it
> is just drones on and on. 

        It is just plain boring. The intent of it is probably to lull
people into a non-thinking state. 

> 
> 
> I hadn't been in a record store in a long time, but my kid wanted
> MC Hammer and had faithfully saved his allowance so I took him.  I
> was shocked first at the prices (ARRRGGGG) second at the content,
> megadeth, and worse.   Where do they come up with those names and
> album covers?  Amoral?  No, seriously immoral, not uplifting, not

         They are just designed for shock value. Every generation goes
through its own rebellion. 


> soothing to God.  I decided right then and there I was NEVER going
> to buy another secular album.  Then this ice tea thing cop killer
> or what not came out.  I hate to get on Time Warner or whoever's
> case, but that was one step over the line in the quest of the almighty
> $$$$ idol.  I am not going to support that!  

         The Ice-T song is a reflection of everyday life for a certain 
element of our society. People live with those situations constantly and
they really don't have the option of intellectualizing about it. 

         I think Ice-T is just reflecting the anger of a whole segment of
the population. We had better listen! Either that, or it will come 
upon us by surprise. Just ignoring something doesn't make it go away! 

> 
> So called christian music has its problems (have you heard about
> Amy's new video?) but, for myself I am more comfortable imagining
> the Lord Jesus riffling through my CDs and pursing his lips at
> Mike Warnke or Sand Patti than Him coming across megadeth!

         If I try out the same fantasy, Jesus or any other diety going
through my CDcollection, I would like him/her to think " this is someone
who is awake and aware -- someone who is in touch with what is going on."
In that respect, I wouldn't want him/her finding Barry Manilow or 
Herman's Hermits. I would be proud to have him/her see Tracy Chapman, 
Shawn Colvin or even Twila Paris -- who at least seems to deal with 
real issues in her songs. I may not always agree with her assessments but
at least she has something to say. 

         Sandi Patti is just a lapdog for the Christian Right. Not only
that, she is a hypocrite. Promote family values but says 'there's no 
chance I'll ever go back to MY husband!" (Of course, everyone else should
stay married and work things out.) Please! 

-rks

rks@teal.csn.org


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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:53:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hey, can y'all take this to e-mail please.  I don't give a fig about 
Christian radio stations in Podunk, Iowa :-)  We already had this topic
covered once this summer.  Thanks!

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: R Todd Albee <rta1@cornell.edu>
Subject: CD's FOR SALE or TRADE
X-Xxdate: Sun, 6 Sep 92 20: 57:59 GMT
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First let me apologize if this is the improper forum for posting this,
I'm new to the newsgroup thing.  [BTW, if this is the improper group,
please send the proper one along with your flame :-)]

Anyway, I've got several CD's I either don't want or don't like I'd like
to get rid of.  I'm asking for 6 bucks each (I pay U.S. postage).  If
you're short on cash and want to trade for them, please e-mail me a list
of titles, preferrably alternative, you'd like to trade.

Age of Faith              - Age of Faith
Morgan Cryar             - Kingdom Upside Down
Rick Cua                    - Within Reach
Brian Healy / D.A.S    - Devils, Angels and Saints
Phil Keaggy               - Ph'lip Side/Play Thru Me/??? (2CD's $12)
Petra                         - Back to the Street
                                 - Beat the System
                                 - More Power to Ya
                                 - Never Say Die/Washes Whiter Than
                                 - On Fire!
                                 - This Means War!
Michael W. Smith       - Project
                                 - 2
Kathy Troccoli          - Images
                                 - Pure Attraction
Various                     - Our Hymns

To save bandwidth, please send responses by e-mail (rta1@cornell.edu)

Thanks ::--))

Todd
From: jon@pro-aasgard.cts.com (Jon Rogness)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Interpretation
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:22:23 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-aasgard] -- Minneapolis, MN  (612)/557-2811

In <1992Sep8.130610.4616@cs.nott.ac.uk>
ppxpmd@mips.nott.ac.uk (P.Debenham) writes:

>Personally I am always ammazed at the pronouncements of some Christian
>'leaders' as to 'the Bible says this' coming from people who obviously would
>not be able to tell one Greek letter from another.  If you are serious about
>studying God's word, knowledge of original languages will help you much more
>than most other things.  At least the Church of England still insists its
>ministers know Greek (one of the few things I often feel they get right).

Be careful not to generalize too much; The Church of England isn't the only
church to require Greek.  The ELCA (Luthrans) put their Seminarians through
Hebrew and Greek...


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From: kemery@nmsu.edu (Kendal Emery)
Subject: Diverse Tastes
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:26:06 GMT

Gee, and I thought I was diverse.....

Here's my partial list

DC Talk
Michael Peace
Rez Band
Bach (Especially Guitar Stuff)
Handle
Hosanna Worship Series
Mike Warnke
Isaac Air Freight
Ken Hagee (Doesn't preaching tapes count)
Michael W. Smith
Steven Curtis Chapmen
The Katina Boyz
Keith Green
The Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir
Randy Stonehill
Steve Camp
Chagall Guevera
Steve Taylor (BCG)
Phillip Sandifer
Bobby Jones and New Life
Lisa Bevil

About the only type of music I don't like is Country,  and
I'm starting to listen to a little bit of that.

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Tourniquet/Deliverance
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:30:00 GMT
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
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kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes...
>A new Tourniquet album just came out in July or so andI think I did see the
>Deliverence CD the other day.  I'm getting pretty impatient for the new
>Believer...

There's an interview with Tourniquet in the new Heaven's Metal (#37) which 
I just got today. It says the new album should be out by January, 1993, and
the name is to be "Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance." They are supposed to be
working in the studio on it during September and October, so they should be
working on it now. Metal Blade did re-release their Psycho-Surgery album.

The Deliverance album should be out now, although being in a....uh.....town
with not many ppl into alternative Christian music, I haven't a copy of it 
here yet.

>Finally I saw a tape by a band called B<something> that looked like a some
>sort of Christian death metal.  Can't remember the name exactly.  Does anyone
>have any info on this?

Not sure about this one. Sorry.

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From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: Intermosh Vol. 4
Organization: The Shell
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:37:55 GMT

(The DOK) writes:
>> OOPS.. the band from Australia is called SIBORIUS not Siborium.. I goofeth
>> (like you all had your life pinned on that one!).. 

>Well, well, well, it DOES look like I've been in Tasmania too long!!!!!!!
>How come I've not heard Siborius yet???!!! No doubt I will though, when
>I get back to MELBOURNE!!!
Hey, I'm in Sydney and I haven't heard of them and I thought I was in touch.
Where do they hail from...or are they someone else with a new name which
seems to be a bit of a trend lately.

>> Check out the next Intermosh with a late-breaking bulletin on Stryper!!!!
>> 
>Will it be good news?
On Stryper....!

>         Hey, I'm not clear on One Bad Pig's status. Are they still around?
>If they're not, I really really miss the fun.

Wouldn't it be nice if these dudes did an Oz tour? Either that or Deliverance.
How about Bloodgood now that they've hit tour mode at long last ?
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From:   (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Intermosh Vol. 4
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:59:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.044834.22139@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
> 
> 
> ** INTERMOSH **
> 
> Sept. 9 1992
 Tourniquet played their
> first tune, "Ark of Suffering", with Eric on vocals (normally on guitar),
> Ted on guitar (normally on drums), Guy on drums (normally vocals), Gary on
> bass (normally guitar) and Victor on guitar (normally bass). 

 That sounds pretty cool!! (Man I wish I was as good as good ole Teddy
(or Jayson Sherlock for that matter.....)



> OOPS.. the band from Australia is called SIBORIUS not Siborium.. I goofeth
> (like you all had your life pinned on that one!).. 

Well, well, well, it DOES look like I've been in Tasmania too long!!!!!!!
How come I've not heard Siborius yet???!!! No doubt I will though, when
I get back to MELBOURNE!!!


> Check out the next Intermosh with a late-breaking bulletin on Stryper!!!!
> 
Will it be good news?


> 
> ** END OF INTERMOSH **
> 
> Latuh dudes! Romans 9:29 if you dare!
> 
> Phil




         Hey, I'm not clear on One Bad Pig's status. Are they still around?
If they're not, I really really miss the fun.



                The DOK
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Subject: Tangent: Tangent: Scattered Few
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I hope that this tangent question does not offend any of you... ; )

I was wondering if anyone has type the lyrics for the album Sin Disease by
Scattered Few? I once had mine but unfortunately it was eaten by my teething 
daughter in one of her rampages on my tape collection. (Arrrggg... I HATE when 
babies start teething (lost too many good tape covers in the process)) 

Also, someone posted a couple of months ago that they were trying to get signed
by a secular label, so what's the latest? Have they?




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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:18:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

JT:

 >Wow, even Intervarsity's tri-annual conference at Urbana does better
 than that.
 >Sounds like they've really had an impact on the area...

 Me:
AHEM.  Is this to imply that if you're a Christian, then you won't go to
 the U2 concert?
 
 Answer carefully, my flamethrower is pointed :-)
 
JT:

Gee, I dunno, JR.  Do you think Jesus would go?  Would he turn off his
"Offense-o-Meter" and have a good time?  You tell me.

JR: (new)

Thank you for totally missing the point of my original post, ignoring all
of the context about the Christian aspects of the U2 show, and picking ONE
PHRASE out of about 70 lines to harp on.  Yes, i think Jesus would go, if
he was a U2 fan.  Jesus wasn't offended by 'worldly' people such as some
of the crowd at the U2 concert will be.  He hung out with hookers and tax
collectors (the people He had a problem with were the Pharisees.  If the
sandal fits...)  

If you had bothered to read the rest of my post more carefully rather than
picking ONE PHRASE out of context to gripe about, you would have noted that
the 'offensive' stuff i referred to were drinking in the crowd, lots of
non-Christians around, mild language (maybe PG or PG-13) and general attacks
on 'Religiosity' in a few songs.  If this offends you (it doesn't offend me)
then don't go.  But if you turn your offensometer down to a level that allows
you to function in the world, rather than keeping yourself locked in a 
little religious, safe box, then you might just enjoy yourself and find your
spirit recharged in the process.  

We're not talking animal sacrifices and orgies here, folks.  We're talking
about a rather tame rock concert.  My offensometer comment was directed 
toward those of us whose oh-so-spiritual minds and virgin ears might not
be able to handle everyday encounters with the (gasp) world.

JRjr

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Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Subject: Re: TANGENT (sort of): livin' Godly 'n' all that  (WAS Re: U2's denomination)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:45:27 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp. SID, Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Sep8.165940.1905@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) writes:
|> 
|> The verse to which you refer (I think) is near the end of the first chapter of
|> second Peter, where the author says (paraphrased also) that prophecy did not
|> come from the interpretation of man but from the Spirit of God.  He's talking
|> about authority of the OT.  Today, many people look around at the trends in the
|> society or whatever and make predictions based on their observations.  For
|> example, because of global warming there will be great flooding in a few 
|> decades.  That is not how OT prophecy came about; the Holy Spirit spoke directly
|> to the prophets and revealed what He wanted revealed.  Thus, the OT has
|> authority.

    Perhaps this is the wrong newsgroup, but I can't let this one pass.
    The New Testament has clearly equally strong authority as the Old Testament
    - with new revelation.  The WORD of GOD was formed before the foundation
    of the world.  It has been unveiled in God's timetable, first the old
    covenant, then the new.  Paul said "...by revelation he made known unto
    me the mystery ... which in other ages WAS NOT [emphasis-mine] made
    known unto the sons of men, as it is NOW [emphasis-mine] revealed unto
    his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit." (Eph 3:3-5)
    There was NEW prophecy and revelation given at the time of Paul as
    there was in the Old Testament.  But it is all part of the WORD of GOD,
    established before the foundation of the world.  To attribute authority
    to the OT and not the NT is not correct.  Hopefully, this is not what you
    meant.
|> 
|> Interpretation of the Bible is required because it is unclear on a great many
|> things (the concept of the Trinity, for example, is an interpretation).  That
|> is the joy of studying the Bible, the "unfolding" of God's word (from one of
|> the Psalms, unfolding is the NASB word).  Paul's theology of salvation is an
|> interpretation of the OT.  And so on.  The job of the of the Holy Spirit is
|> to guide us in understanding of the Bible.
|>  
|>   -- Scott @Brandeis
|> 

     --  Bill

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