From: pham@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Michael Pham)
Subject: Re: [THO+] THO+ TRA^`N Y' VA^N
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 21:49:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.162337.18073@news.media.mit.edu> 0005359961@mcimail.com writes:
>La.i sa('p the^m mo^.t mu`a thu. O+? no+i dda^y na('ng cu~ng dda~
>nha.t da^`n, va` nha.t da^`n la` nhu+~ng u+o+'c mo^.ng cu?a mo^.t
>ddo+`i ngu+o+`i...
>                         oOo
>
>
>          Thu Ca?m
>          ~~~~~~~~
>
>          Co+n mu+a cuo^'i ha. ba'o thu sang
>          Cho`m la' ngoa`i hie^n so+'m nga~ va`ng.
>          Ma^y tha^'p la` la` un ho+i la.nh
>          Gio' ddu+a nhe` nhe. go+?i hu+o+ng ngang.
>          Ca'nh tu`ng e'p vo+? co`n na(m cu~
>          Bu+o+'m u+o+'p mo^.t ddo^i chu+'ng mo^.ng va`ng.
>          Thu dde^'n, thu ddi, thu la.i dde^'n
>          Ta`n theo na(m tha'ng mo^.ng dda`i trang.
>
>
>Mo^~i na(m co' tu+' tie^'t. Con ngu+o+`i khi buo^`n, khi vui. Tu+'
>tie^'t thi` muo^n ddo+`i va^~n co`n nhu+ng con ngu+o+`i la.i luo^n
>luo^n thay ddo^?i...
>
>          Ca?nh Cu~
>          ~~~~~~~~~
>
>          Nga`y na`y na(m ngoa'i ngoa`i cu+?a cao
>          Ho^`ng nhan ra.ng a'nh sa'nh ho^`ng dda`o#.
>          Na(m nay kho^ng ga(.p, ngu+o+`i dda^u nhi??
>          Gio' xua^n, nhu+ cu~, gio+~n hoa dda`o. (*)
>
>
>                                                  Tra^`n Y' Va^n
>                                                  --------------
>
>
>(*) Ba?n di.ch ba`i "DDe^` Ti'ch So+? Kie^'n Xu+'" cu?a Tho^i Ho^..
>Nguye^n ta'c:
>
>Khu+' nie^n kim nha^.t thu+? mo^n trung,
>Nha^n die^.n dda`o hoa tu+o+ng a'nh ho^`ng.
>Nha^n die^.n ba^'t tri ha` xu+' khu+',
>DDa`o hoa y cu+.u tie^'u xua^n phong.
>
>ca^u cuo^'i co' ba?n che'p la` "ddo^ng phong".
>
>Chuye^.n la` Tho^i Ho^. ddi cho+i mo^.t mi`nh dde^'n phi'a nam kinh
>tha`nh. O^ng ta.t va`o mo^.t nha` trong lo^'i xo'm dde^? xin
>nu+o+'c uo^'ng. Trong nha` co' mo^.t thie^'u nu+~ ra^'t dde.p mang
>nu+o+'c ra mo+`i o^ng ta. Na(m sau, o^ng ta la.i tro+? la.i nhu+ng
>ngo^i nha` kia dda~ tro+? ne^n tro^'ng va('ng. Tho^i Ho^. vie^'t
>ba`i tho+ dde^? la.i#.
>                                             

Hi TYV,

Few months ago, I replied to a question from a netter about this poem.
The article is included below. Until now I still don't have any response
on the lyric of the song "Hoa Ddao` Na(m Ngoai'". So if anyone know the 
lyric, please help. Also I like the version of your translation.
  
  MP
				  **********


 The 4-line poem is the whole poem composed by Tho^i
 Ho^. from the Tang Dynasty. Tho^i Ho^. was a handsome student. During Te^'t
 Thanh Minh, he visited DDa`o Hoa Trang village which grew a lot of flowers. He
 was thirsty and knocked a door to ask for water. A beautiful girl opened the
 gate and gave him water. They both felt in love with each other but didn't
 express themself. Then the following year, in the Te^'t Thanh Minh, Tho^i Ho^.
 visited the village again and found the gate has been locked. He wrote the poem
 posted it on the gate and left. The real story was just like that. However,
 people told the rest of the story as follow. Few days later, Tho^i Ho^.
 came back to visit the house. A weeping old man told him that his daughter was
 so sad, she refused to eat and died after she had read the poem on the gate.
 After Tho^i Ho^. came into the house and prayed, the girl revived. They married
 and lived happily ever after. Actually, Tho^i Ho^. was a real person, passed 
 the exam, dda^.u Tie^'n Si~, worked as a mandarin in the Tang Dynasty.
 The poem in Ha'n Vie^.t as follow:

              DDE^` TI'CH SO+? KIE^'N XU+'

        Khu"' nie^n, kim nha^.t thu"~ mo^n trung
        Nha^n die^.n -da`o hoa tu"o"ng a'nh ho^`ng
        Nha^n die^.n ba^'t tri ha` xu"' khu"'
       -Da`o hoa y cu".u tie^'u -do^ng phong.

 It was translated to Vietnamese by Tra^`n Tro.ng Kim in "DDu+o+`ng Thi"
 as follow:

              DDE^` CHO^~ DDA~ TRO^NG THA^'Y NA(M TRU+O+'C

            Ho^m nay, na(m ngoa'i, cu+?a cai`,
        Hoa ddao` a'nh vo+'i ma(.t ngu+o+`i ddo? tu+o+i.
            Ma(.t ngu+o+`i cha(?ng bie^'t dda^u ro^`i, 
        Hoa dda`o co`n ddo' va^~n cu+o+`i gio' ddo^ng.

 Nguye^~n Du used this idea in "Truye^.n Kie^`u":

            Tru+o+'c sau na`o tha^'y bo'ng ngu+o+`i, (line 2156)
        Hoa dda`o na(m ngoa'i co`n cu+o+`i gio' ddo^ng. (line 2157)

 In "Truye^.n Kie^`u Chu' Gia?i", Va^n Ha.c translated the poem as follow:

        Na(m ngoa'i nga`y nay giu+a+~ co^?ng dda^y,
        Hoa dda`o a'nh ma(.t ddo? ha^y ha^y.
        Ma(.t hoa nay bie^'t ddi dda^u va('ng?
        Co+.t gio' hoa dda`o va^~n tha('m tu+o+i.

 I like the poem very much, so I translated it myself:

            Nga`y na^`y, na(m ngoa'i, cho^'n dda^y,
        Hoa dda`o tha('m ddo?, ma' ha^y ha^y ho^ng`.
            Va('ng na`ng, nay nga^?n ngo+ lo`ng,
        Hoa dda`o co`n va^~n gio' ddo^ng co+.t ddua`.

 There was a vietnamese song which I don't remenber the
 whole lyric. If anybody know the lyric please help me. It is something like
 this:



	      HOA DDA`O NA(M NGOA'I

 Na(m a^'y xua^n tu+o+i, mu`a hoa bu+o+'m na('ng dde.p gio' hie^`n ho`a. 
 Mo^.t cha`ng thu+ sinh, mai~ ti`m nguo^`n tho+ ddi giu+~a mo^.t ru+`ng hoa.
 Nga`n hoa a'nh ho^`ng, ti`nh xua^n tha('m no^`ng,
 Cho+.t nhi`n ga(.p mo^.t a'nh ma('t giai nha^n,
 Nhu+ tie^n gia'ng tra^`n hie^.n ra giu+~a na('ng va`ng.

 E a^'p be^n hoa, na`ng tho^n nu+~ ma' dde.p nhu+ ma`u ddao`,
 Ti`nh ngoa`i co`n e, ma` lo`ng dda~ nhu+ ghi nho+' nga`y ga(.p nhau.
 Nhe. quay go't ha`i, co`n lu+u luye^'n nhie^`u.
 Dde^? sa^`u, dde^? nho+' de^'n mai sau,
 Dde^? lo`ng ngu+o+`i ga(.p go+~ dda~ in sa^u 
 Bua^ng khua^ng ngo+~ nga`ng dda`o nguye^n rie^ng bo'ng cha`ng.

 Xua^n qua ro^`i to+'i, no+i vu+o+`n cu~ hoa ta`n ro^`i la.i no+?
 Ti`m ve^` tho^n xu+a, hoa co`n ddo' nhu+ng ngu+o+`i na`o tha^'y dda^u ?
 Ngu+o+`i dde.p vu+o+`n dda`o, gieo bao sa^`u nho+',
 Gio+` na^`y no+i nao, giai nha^n mu`a cu~?
 DDa^u gia'ng xie^m the.n thu`ng be^n dda`o nguye^n, ma^n me^ ta` a'o !

 Be^n ne^'p re^u phong, cha`ng thi si~ ta^'t da. luo^'ng nga^.m nguo^`i,
 DDe^` mo^.t ba`i tho+, ma` lo`ng nga^?n ngo+ thu+o+ng nho+' ngu+o+i mo^.ng mo+
 ????????????????????????????
 ????????????????????????????
 ????????????????????????????
 Vi vu gi'o ve^` go+.i bao nhie^i na~o ne^`.


 If anyone know the author of this song and the whole correct lyric, please help
 me. 

 Thanks in advance,

 References:

 1. "DDu+o+`ng Thi", Tra^`n Tro.ng Kim, page 386
 2. "Truye^.n Kie^`u Chu' Gia?i", Va^n Ha.c, page 537
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese