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From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:51:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
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In a previous article, okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke) says:

>Am I the only person in the world who believes that Steven was a far better
>drummer than Matt, and that the band made a big mistake in sacking him?
>
>I haven't seen any discussion on this subject, and my friends tend to agree
>with my opinion of the 2 after listening to a few songs and comparing them.
>
>--
>Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
>undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
>


If you listen to the songs Adler did, especially things like Appetite or
Paradise City, the drumming is simplistic and pretty bland.  Not to mention
the fact that Adler looked and acted like a complete fuck up.  Sorem was
the drummer for The Cult for a while, and his drumming is precise and more
flamboyant,  for example the long solo on the Paris simulcast.  But the
band still blows.


                                                        Moses


-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   |"For we, which now behold 
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ | these present days, have
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \| eyes to wonder, but lack  
      \           |       |                      | tongues to praise" -- W.S.
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Axl greases his own driveshaft
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:34:34 GMT
	<OKES.92Dec13174048@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk>
	<alinkltr.7EbaaZ@nmnvax.umns.edu>
	<1992Dec15.202729.1996@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk's message of 15 Dec 92 20:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202729.1996@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Gothick) writes:
|
| >Lets start a Quiet Riot cascade!!!  After all, they were around before
| >G n R.  And they were way k00ler.
|
| If you *are* going to, then follow up to this one so it doesn't get
| taken to misc/alt.test like the previous ones....
|
| >"We're not gonna' take it..."
|
You may be interested to know that my previous post was intended to show
my disinclination towards cascades by use of the headers, not as an
attempt to mail-bomb anyone.

The person who followed up to it kindly put *my* name in the reply-to
field so that *I* got all the mail from the auto-reply daemons.

Thanks a lot. You have merely re-affirmed my opinion of cascaders:
Annoying people who post rubbish to inappropriate groups and lack a sense of
irony.

If the person concerned wishes to discuss this matter further, I
am willing to do so by mail.

*Please* do not carry on this thread any more; the signal-noise ratio
in this group is low enough already.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: GnR Yawn
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:27:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
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Don't know what people out there think, but don't the last few singles
by GnR make them look like some wimpy poppish group? November Rain was 
tolerable, but Yesterdays drives one to sleep. ( And I don't even
want to say anything about Don't Cry.. )

Come on, Geffen! There's better stuff to release from the _Use_Your_Illusion_ 
albums than that! Release Back_Off_Bitch and kick some politically 
correct a**!!! U want GnR to go head-to-head with Whitney Houston???

Just letting off some steam. GnR is one of the best bands in the world,
but they're a ROCK band, damn it, so please, no more wimpy songs.

Chua
+==+
Common sense is not so common.
			- Voltaire
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:00:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
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In a previous article, okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke) says:

>Am I the only person in the world who believes that Steven was a far better
>drummer than Matt, and that the band made a big mistake in sacking him?
>
>I haven't seen any discussion on this subject, and my friends tend to agree
>with my opinion of the 2 after listening to a few songs and comparing them.
>
>--
>Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
>undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
>
Steven was a good drummer...but not Matt Soren.  Sorry but you can tell
from the stuff on the Ill. I & II that Soren has much more skill from the
difficultiy of the drums.  If you still don't believe me, go and see them
in concert and during one of the old songs look at the monitors when they
show matt.  He looks BORED.  There was nothing too the drums in the old
songs.  

BTW Axl's a baby...he wishes he NEVER went on tour with Metallica since
they KICKED ASS so much better than Guns ever will.  See a real live band,
save your money for Metallica.

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: mikef@som.yale.edu (Michael Fanara)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Yale University School of Management
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:08:46 GMT

Yashi,

	How do you think should have been the replacement for Adler?  I think
they picked Sorum because he knew the guys and they didn't want to take along
time to find a new drummer.

MAF


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: drm002@acad.drake.edu (Dave R. Muhich)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:03:49 GMT

article <1992Dec14.151843.2993@email.tuwien.ac.at>, seppi@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (YASHI) writes:
> In article <OKES.92Dec13174416@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk  
> (Simon Oke) writes:
>> Am I the only person in the world who believes that Steven was a far  
> better
>> drummer than Matt, and that the band made a big mistake in sacking him?
>> 
>> I haven't seen any discussion on this subject, and my friends tend to  
> agree
>> with my opinion of the 2 after listening to a few songs and comparing  
> them.
>> 
>> --
>> Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
>> undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
> 
> I agree! 
> Listen to the drums on WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.  They develop in a manner I  
> have 
> rarely heard before. 
> I saw gnr in Vienna this Year. Matts solo was the most boring drum-solo I  
> have ever heard.
> He played the same shit for about ten times. The only thing I like about  
> him is his show.
> 
> If a band member does not fit the band anymore, it is better to remove him
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	And that's exactly what they did when Steven Adler did not fit the
band anymore. I don't know if it's me, but I am a drummer and I find the 
Appetite drum parts MUCH easier to play than the Illusions. Adler's parts
in Appetite were basically straight forward and plain. Just my HO.
> --
> YASHI         seppi@fml.tuwien.ac.at

						Dave R. Muhich
						drm002@acad.drake.edu

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu (Axl)
Subject: Re: lyrics
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:48:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.155405.21869@unislc.uucp> backus@math.utah.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.142903.14245@nwnexus.WA.COM> stemp@halcyon.com (Peace be upon you) writes:
>>does someone have the lyrics to AFD and Lies?
>
>ftp@ftp.uwp.edu has the following gnr lyrics available via anonymous ftp.
>
>     appetite.for.destruction
>     civil_war
>     coma
>     dust_n_bones
>     locomotive
>     november_rain
>     one_in_a_million
>     patience
>     used_to_love_her
>     
>Party on,
>  Steve

	Yer info is a bit outdated there.  Go into the GnR directory,
cd pub/music/lyrics/g/guns.n.roses   There you will see the complete
lyrics for Appetite, Lies, and Illusions I & II.  get 'name', and
you're all set..enjoy. :)
--
-Axl @)-->--- 
 j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu - "There can be only one"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: gaspersi@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark G)
Subject: Fargo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:16:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Don't forget:
		GnR is playing in Fargo, North Dakota on March 21st.
				
				outta here,
						mark
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From: drm002@acad.drake.edu (Dave R. Muhich)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:58:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.105029.7070@sulo.otol.fi>, pode@sulo.otol.fi (Janne Potila) writes:
> From article <1992Dec14.180349.1@acad.drake.edu>, by drm002@acad.drake.edu (Dave R. Muhich):
>> .... I don't know if it's me, but I am a drummer and I find the 
>> Appetite drum parts MUCH easier to play than the Illusions. Adler's parts
>> in Appetite were basically straight forward and plain. Just my HO.
>> 
>> 						Dave R. Muhich
>> 						drm002@acad.drake.edu
>> 
> So do you think that in drumming/in music generally the more difficult to
> play the better a song is? I (hopefully there are others) think that it has
> just nothing to do with the 'goodness' of music. Usually I seem to like 
> kinda simple songs more than any difficult, complex stuff.

	So are you trying to say that drums are unimportant in a song? A simple,
repetitive drum part, like Adler tended to play, made the song boring.
I don't know about you, but if I listen to something over and over again,
it tends to get pretty monotonous. Have you ever listened to Bonham's parts
in almost every Zeppelin song? The parts are so different, they are fun to
listen to to see what kind of new and interesting beat he can come up with, and
especially the solo in 'Moby Dick'. If you think that is boring, you are sadly
mistaken, fella. I hope others will back me up on this, but I think a simple
drum part makes the song boring to listen to, unless one of the other parts
is outstanding, in which case that will more than likely make up for it.
 
> That goes also with the GNR drummers. Even though Matt earlier played
> some time in my favorite band The Cult, I like Steven better in ROCK AND
> ROLL band. Can you imagine anything more boring in rock show than a five-
> minute-long-drum-solo.

	Yes I can. A drum part that is so predictable that is so predictable
and easy that people with absolutely no rhythm at all can play it with ease.

>                           Drummer (IMO) doesn't have to show every one how
> well he can play, he just keeps the rhythm.

	If that is the case, then why don't bands just get a monkey to come
and clap its hands to the beat. That's all a drummer does in your opinion,
isn't it?

> Steven Adler was a rock and roll drummer. What is he doing nowadays?

	Probably sitting in rehab somewhere, wishing his beats weren't so
simple.
						Dave R. Muhich
						drm002@acad.drake.edu
P.S. Don't get me wrong, however. I love Appetite. Not because of the
drums, but because the awesomeness of the other parts make up for it.
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: GnR Yawn
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:19:15 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1gtfncINN8v2@agate.berkeley.edu> c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien) writes:
>Don't know what people out there think, but don't the last few singles
>by GnR make them look like some wimpy poppish group? November Rain was 
>tolerable, but Yesterdays drives one to sleep. ( And I don't even
>want to say anything about Don't Cry.. )
>
>Come on, Geffen! There's better stuff to release from the _Use_Your_Illusion_ 
>albums than that! Release Back_Off_Bitch and kick some politically 
>correct a**!!! U want GnR to go head-to-head with Whitney Houston???
>
>Just letting off some steam. GnR is one of the best bands in the world,
>but they're a ROCK band, damn it, so please, no more wimpy songs.

  I said before that they will milk UYI as much as they can, but I think
another factor playing into what gets distributed is Izzy's leaving the
band.  I believe the "14 Years" single was re-called and Izzy wrote much
of "Pretty Tied Up' and other songs that jam.  And with rumors about the
new punk album covers coming out soon, I'm wondering how Geffen plans to
do their marketing- keep releasing UYI singles along with the new 
material?

  But you are right- they could vary the singles they release a little
better.  I don't know who is making these decisions- if it's Geffen than
don't expect much of the harder songs to be released as singles, but if
it's Axl and the boys calling the shots (which I believe it is) than 
who knows what the hell their gameplan is :-).  Hell, I'm still waiting
to see those videos explained!!!

  Doug
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:44:59 GMT
	<1992Dec15.135847.1@acad.drake.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: drm002@acad.drake.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 19:58:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135847.1@acad.drake.edu> drm002@acad.drake.edu (Dave R. Muhich) writes:
|> So do you think that in drumming/in music generally the more difficult to
|> play the better a song is? I (hopefully there are others) think that it has
|> just nothing to do with the 'goodness' of music. Usually I seem to like 
|> kinda simple songs more than any difficult, complex stuff.
|
| So are you trying to say that drums are unimportant in a song? A simple,
|repetitive drum part, like Adler tended to play, made the song boring.
|
I think that drums *are* important. I also happen to believe that Steven's
drum parts fitted a lot better into the songs on Appetite than Matt's parts
do in the songs on UYI. Matt's parts tend to stick out like a sore thumb,
IMHO, and whatever else is going on, I hear this "bang, bang, bang" coming
through and it just doesn't seem to fit.

|> That goes also with the GNR drummers. Even though Matt earlier played
|> some time in my favorite band The Cult, I like Steven better in ROCK AND
|> ROLL band. Can you imagine anything more boring in rock show than a five-
|> minute-long-drum-solo.
|
| Yes I can. A drum part that is so predictable that is so predictable
|and easy that people with absolutely no rhythm at all can play it with ease.
|
As I tried to say before at the start of this thread, I feel both Steven's and
Matt's drum parts fall into this category, but Steven's fitted better.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
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From: seppi@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (YASHI)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:18:43 GMT

In article <OKES.92Dec13174416@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk  
(Simon Oke) writes:
> Am I the only person in the world who believes that Steven was a far  
better
> drummer than Matt, and that the band made a big mistake in sacking him?
> 
> I haven't seen any discussion on this subject, and my friends tend to  
agree
> with my opinion of the 2 after listening to a few songs and comparing  
them.
> 
> --
> Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
> undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.

I agree! 
Listen to the drums on WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.  They develop in a manner I  
have 
rarely heard before. 
I saw gnr in Vienna this Year. Matts solo was the most boring drum-solo I  
have ever heard.
He played the same shit for about ten times. The only thing I like about  
him is his show.

If a band member does not fit the band anymore, it is better to remove him

--
YASHI         seppi@fml.tuwien.ac.at

      Willst Du Deine Frau nicht mehr
      Dann setz sie in die Lauda Air
      und warte auf die Schubumkehr!
                                 -Alexander Bisenz-
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: GnR Yawn
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:41:28 GMT
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Chua Hak Lien (c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu) wrote:
:
: Don't know what people out there think, but don't the last few singles
: by GnR make them look like some wimpy poppish group? November Rain was 
: tolerable, but Yesterdays drives one to sleep. ( And I don't even
: want to say anything about Don't Cry.. )
:

Hey, hey!  Opinions differ!  "November Rain" puts me to sleep, but wakes
me up at the end (thank you, Slash), and "Yesterdays" is one of my 2 or 3
favorite songs on UYI (I guess you could tell from my .signature :-)

:
: Come on, Geffen! There's better stuff to release from the _Use_Your_Illusion_ 
: albums than that! Release Back_Off_Bitch and kick some politically 
: correct a**!!! U want GnR to go head-to-head with Whitney Houston???
:

Here's where we agree.  "Back Off Bitch" is absolutely awesome.  How about
"The Garden"?  Or maybe "14 Years"?

:
: Chua
:
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: seppi@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (YASHI)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:34:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.180349.1@acad.drake.edu> drm002@acad.drake.edu (Dave  
R. Muhich) writes:
> article <1992Dec14.151843.2993@email.tuwien.ac.at>,  
seppi@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (YASHI) writes:
> > If a band member does not fit the band anymore, it is better to remove  
him
> >  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	And that's exactly what they did when Steven Adler did not fit the
> band anymore. > > --
> > YASHI         seppi@fml.tuwien.ac.at
> 
> 						Dave R. Muhich
> 						drm002@acad.drake.edu

That was what I wanted to say, but I was in a hurry and so I forgot to add
that I meant Adler. It was okay that they removed Adler because they were  
not able to work together anymore, but I think that there would have been 
better replacements.


--
YASHI         seppi@fml.tuwien.ac.at

      Willst Du Deine Frau nicht mehr
      Dann setz sie in die Lauda Air
      und warte auf die Schubumkehr!
                                 -Alexander Bisenz-
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From: gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Gothick)
Subject: Re: Axl greases his own driveshaft
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:27:29 GMT

alinkltr@nmnvax.umns.edu writes:

>In article <OKES.92Dec13174048@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke) writes:
>>In article <phlegm.724016542@cs1.bradley.edu> phlegm@cs1.bradley.edu (Kevin Bourrillion) writes:
>>| In <1992Dec10.070129.3705@timesink.chi.il.us> harry@timesink.chi.il.us (Harold Platypus) writes:
>>|
>>| >A blowhard named Axl? He fondles his penis,
>>| >he coats it with goose grease, the act is quite heinous.
>>|
>>| Etc. etc. etc....
>>|
>>| >:-)
>>|
>>| I don't know whether to be angry or fall over laughing! =)
>>|
>>I'm angry. Last time all the cascaders came into this group, I started
>>mailing their posts back to them, with a rather rude comment and an
>>explanation of cross-posting netiquette. And if this carries on, I'll
>>do it again.
>>
>>--
>>Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
>>undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.



>Lets start a Quiet Riot cascade!!!  After all, they were around before
>G n R.  And they were way k00ler.

If you *are* going to, then follow up to this one so it doesn't get
taken to misc/alt.test like the previous ones....

>"We're not gonna' take it..."

Matt
-- 
 Matthew B. M. Gibson:
 gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk - mgibson@nyx.cs.du.edu -  csudo@csv.warwick.ac.uk
 "Great.  I'm a million miles from home, about to be killed, with a 
  gung-ho iguana who tells me to relax"
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:47:26 GMT
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Axl (j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu) wrote:
:
: 	Obviously you've never heard Bonham doing his 10-15min solo 
: in 'Moby Dick'  I was so blown away the 1st time I heard it, was
: incredible.  A drum solo is anything but boring.  Sorum is nowhere
: near Bonham, but he is miles beyond Adler as far as technique & style
: goes. 
:

Agreement.  I especially like Matt's work on "Estranged", "Live and Let Die",
and "You Could Be Mine".
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:58:10 GMT

Excuse me for being a non-music-playing-mug, but define musicianship...

-- 
|  "Take a look to the sky		  |	Mike Price, a.k.a. ZEUS.
|       just before you die,		  | 
|   It's the last time you will!!"	  |		e-mail:
|		- FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS |	zeus@chopin.udel.edu
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Matt Sorum vs Steven Adler
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:11:04 GMT
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Michael Scott Price (zeus@bach.udel.edu) wrote:
:
: Just a query: With all this talk of Matt and Bonham, what do you guys think of
: Neal Peart?
:

IMHO, he has phenomenal technique, but barely adequate musicianship -- overall,
an incredible waste of good technique.  On the other hand, his chops are *so*
incredible that I love to listen to him anyway -- but then I'm a drummer
myself.

BTW, my vote for the perfect drummer is Simon Phillips.  He can play anything
Peart can play, but faster, and his musicianship, well, just listen to Pete
Townshend's "I am an Animal" on the _Empty_Glass_ CD.
--
+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
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