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From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine)
Subject: Re: SC414075 vs 68030
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:50:16 GMT

In <1993Jan24.200854.21128@ida.liu.se> d88nikne@odalix.ida.liu.se (Niklas Netz) writes:

>What is the difference between a SC414075 and an ordinary '030?
>Is there a difference?

I asked this question over a year ago, and Michael Bodine (hi
Michael!) from Motorola was kind enough to tell me that it is the
pre-production prototype of the 50Mhz 68030 (the weird number is one
the customer is not supposed to see).  Motorola chips go through two
further steps after this: they become XC68030, and finally MC68030
after they've passed Moto's QA program.

Concerned about possible errata sheets covering bugs in this chip, I
asked Michael to look for me (the local Moto people are hopeless).  He
discovered that there should be no bugs in the chip, and that it can
be used as an ordinary 50Mhz '030.  One thing to watch out for if you
use this chip at lower speeds - it needs a very fast rise time on most
inputs, particularly the clock.

From your other post about '040 pinouts, I would guess that you have
acquired some '030 boards out of HP Apollo 400 series machines which
were upgraded to '040s.  Note here that the '040 that replaced them
actually goes on a small adapter board, so the pinout of the plug on
the '030 board may not be a standard '040 pinout.

Let me know if you have any success with the board - I have
successfully used the '030s.

Regards,
Paul

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley)
Subject: Re: 68HCxx Group?  Where?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:41:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.m68k

In article <1993Jan26.152625.270@indyvax.iupui.edu>,
jlewis@indyvax.iupui.edu wrote:
> 
> Is there a 68HCxx microcontroller group around?  I see a few messages here
> but there's bound to be a list more geared for this microcontroller area?
> 

I'd kind of like to see a comp.sys.microcontrollers (or
comp.microcontrollers).

While I'm particularly interested in the 683xx and 68HC11 microcontrollers,
it'd be worthwhile to have a general group so people could talk about the
8031/8051, etc. microcontrollers.  comp.robotics gets a lot of HC11
traffic, but thats mostly about the 6.270 and miniboard robotic
controllers.

Anyone else interested?  Should it be proposed to the net.gurus?

Craig Keithley        |    With the key in your hands
Apple Computer, Inc.  |    It's time to walk the naked stage
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                      |    Where a sound within your heart will rage
                      |    And it rocks in the head moving ever on
                      |    Life is an unforgettable opera
From: cpg@cs.utexas.edu (Carlos M. Puchol)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Re: BCCDI running DIBUG11???  Anybody out there using?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 02:54:32 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, UT Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: 68332 EVS BCC BCCDI

sean@netcom.com (Sean Burke22) writes:
>
>Hi comp.sys.68k'ers,
>
>  I have a 68332-based board, and we are debugging it using a BCCDI.  This
>BCCDI runs DIBUG11 V1.03,  and talks to the DIBUG program running on a 
>clone.   I would like to use this BCCDI to talk to GDB 3.5, the GNU
>debugger,  but I don't have any documentation on DIBUG11.  
>
>  I can connect a terminal to the BCCDI, and it prints the program ID
>stuff on reset (DIBUG11 V1.03 Release Date: Aug 15, 1991 etc...), but
>nothing I type as input will generate a response!?  Any pointers will
>be appreciated.

As far as I know (from reliable sources, I think) the DIBUG is restricted
code and the protocol (which is binary) it uses with the PC program is
confidential. You could probably get a copy of it if you swear a non-
disclosure agreement.

The BCCDI is not in production any more anyway, so it doesn't seem to be
likely that they will do anything about it.

This is all pure and lean brain damage from Motorola's part in my opinion.
It's no big deal releasing software soources, especially when the DI is in
the Evaluation Kit.

The problem with Motorola and Software they produce is it doesn't happen
on this particular instance only. I hate to see that much work trashed
and people who could experience a good deal of development and could have
a lot of work shared wasting time. It's just not a fruitful environment
what Motorola does. They are interested in consumer products AND they
are not "a software company."  .... ntchs! ... I'm refraining myself ...

-- Carlos Puchol
From: ee90tjc@brunel.ac.uk (Timothy J Chappell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Motorola BBS
Keywords: Motorola BBS
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:09:03 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Is there access to the Motorola BBS from internet? Mail server?


Thanks for your replies,


Tim Chappell.

Remember: Amazing on the outside, ...BUT... iNTEL INSIDE(tm).
From: j_wilson@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Hi how are you)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Info on 68060 wanted...
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Hi, just a quick one.
Iv'e seen a lot of talk about the MC68060 recently. What is the primary
differences between this and previos moto processors ?
Thanks,
Jamie.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: jvn@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Julian V. Noble)
Subject: Re: is there anyone who has compared m68k and ix86 ?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:43:40 GMT

I have a 68020/68881 Definicon board (16 MHz) in my AST premium computer
(80286@10Mhz, 80287@8Mhz). The Savage benchmark, in optimized Forth, takes
2.5 sec on the 80286/80287 pair, about 5x less on the 68020/68881 pair.
Clearly, a factor 2x from clock speed. Since the numbers are always on the
fpu there is no effect from 32-bit vs. 16 bit bus. So we are measuring
the raw speed difference of 68020/68881 pair vs. 80286/80287 to be 2.5 or
so. Does this help?  The Savage program follows:

        TASK SAVAGE
        : (SAVAGE)  F=1 F=0  0 DO  FOVER F+ F**2  FSQRT  FLN  FEXP
                FATAN  FTAN   LOOP  ;
        : SAV  FINIT  ( TIMER )  2500 (SAVAGE)  ( ETIME )  
                CR  F.  FDROP ;

Cheers! --J.V. Noble
From: drchip@cup.portal.com (MYRON A LIEBERMAN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Re: 68010
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:33:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan24.053732.29773@mdd.comm.mot.com>

The Krueger Company offers 68010s at prices near $5 or below for 8 and 10 MHz 
versions. As for a 16 MHz version, there is no commecial availability. If the
part in question was a 12 MHz version screened to meet 16 MHz operation part
of the price must be the screening labor and yield factor.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: moses@i5.arc.umn.edu (Matthew E. Moses)
Subject: sendmail using nameserver
Organization: Army High Performance Computer Research Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:48:35 GMT

Are the any tricks to get sendmail to use the name server?  Our student 
chapter of acm had a C120 donated.  Everything but sendmail is correctly 
using the nameserver via named.  Sendmail will on resolve the names if they
appear in the /etc/hosts.  Anyone have any suggestions what to try?  I plan to redo the sendmail.cf file next, but I wonder if there is something else
I might be missing.


Matthew Moses
moses@ahpcrc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: Re: gcc - better then standard cc?
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:31:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan16.213200.11632@fuw.edu.pl> rzm@ipx1.mat.torun.edu.pl (Rafal Maszkowski) writes:
>Why do you people run gcc on Convex? cc is optimized for vector computing.
>Is gcc as well? 
>Is anything else better in gcc?

I use gcc for several reasons:

  o  it compiles faster (although I have to admit that I have not done
     any real speed comparisons lately)

  o  it is MUCH easier to port free software from the net using gcc,
     especially when that software was developed using gcc in the first place.
     gcc runs on many different platforms, so may different software packages
     work with gcc on the first try.

  o  gcc has better warning and error detection capabilities (IMHO)

  o  gcc includes a full native-code C++ compiler that WORKS (take a look at
     Convex C++ to see what I mean :-)

  o  gcc does better scalar optimisation than Convex cc -- I don't know if this
     is still fair to say, but it used to be that gcc code was faster and also
     smaller than cc.  This is also due to sme other tricks, like stdlib inline
     etc.  I have not built any major package with both compilers for a while, 
     so things might have changed.

If you want optimal use of Convex hardware and vectorisation, then you should
by all means use Convex cc, that's what it was written to do.  But even then,
gcc comes handy as an additional error-checking tool, as a measure for the 
portability of your code, etc.

As usual, I would like the best of both worlds :-)

-- Volker
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: mark@sun.geosig.sccsi.com (Mark Czigan)
Subject: Has anyone tried porting XView 3.0 libs to Convex???
Organization: Geosignal Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:09:08 GMT

We are looking into porting Sun XView 3.0 libraries to the Convex, and were
wondering what experiences others may have had.
  
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: Convex C3800 memory information
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:08:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan28.140329.5252@news.eng.convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes:
>Peak bandwidth is 500MB/sec/port.
>
>ie a C3880 with 8 memory boards has a peak bandwidth to memory
>of 4 GByte/sec.

I have been informed by a coworker that I was calculating this
with the wrong clock speed.  The actual peak bandwidth is 480 MB/sec/port.

Sorry for any confusion.
-- 
            _.
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             V
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: Convex C3800 memory information
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:03:29 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <C1JIrw.BLx@pgroup.com> lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows) writes:
>There's been a lot of recent discussion of memory bandwidth, etc.
>of various super and mini-super computers, as well as workstations,
>in comp.arch, etc.  I'm interested in performance parameters of
>the Convex C3800 system, in particular:
>
>	memory bandwidth (peak)

Peak bandwidth is 500MB/sec/port.

ie a C3880 with 8 memory boards has a peak bandwidth to memory
of 4 GByte/sec.

Including the Comm reg port adds another 500MB/sec to the total,
but this is not usually thought of as memory bandwidth.

Sorry, I do not know the benchmarking info you asked for.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: schnoebe@convex.com (Eric Schnoebelen)
Subject: Re: is there a system call to return the number of processor?
Originator: schnoebe@duke
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:23:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: C Series System Sofware, CONVEX Computer, Richardson, Tx. USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

[Someone noted that I managed to mangle one of the rlimit structure
field names, as well as the spelling of concurrency.  I've corrected
both, and canceled the earlier article -- Eric ]

rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes:
- In article <1993Jan19.132612.4970@wl.com> agrafiot@wl.com (Dimitris Agrafiotis) writes:
- >Is there a system call that returns the number of processors available
- >on a convex?
- >Thanks
- 
- getsysinfo(2) does report the number of CPUs in the box. however, if you
- have set "limit concurrency n" from the shell to a lesser number, you can
- also do a limit command from within a program to find out the number of
- processes actually used (note that i don't know the behavior if your
- launching shell is sh or ksh, i just know this works if it is csh):

	A much better way to get the resource limits in an application
is to use getrlimit(2).  Starting up a Cshell is such a waste!

	A small sample routine to get the concurrency limit of the
current process:

#include <sys/time.h>
#include <sys/resource.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
struct rlimit info;
	
	if(getrlimit(RLIMIT_CONCUR, &info)) {
		perror("rlimit");
		return 1;
	}

	printf("current concurrency: %d\n", info.rlim_cur);
	printf("max concurrency: %d\n", info.rlim_max);
	return 0;
}
-- 
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Life is the only game in which the object of the game is to learn the rules.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows)
Subject: Convex C3800 memory information
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:28:44 GMT
Organization: The Portland Group, Portland, OR

There's been a lot of recent discussion of memory bandwidth, etc.
of various super and mini-super computers, as well as workstations,
in comp.arch, etc.  I'm interested in performance parameters of
the Convex C3800 system, in particular:

	memory bandwidth (peak)
	memory bandwidth on compiled code (e.g., streams benchmark)
	effect of virtual memory on all this
	  (e.g., what is the page size, TLB size, etc).

If anyone cares to share this information I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.
-- 
Larry Meadows		The Portland Group
lfm@pgroup.com
From: tonyb@gewng2.woking.sgp.slb.com (Anthony Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
Subject: AMD Automounter
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:04:57 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gewng2.orpington.sgp.slb.com
Keywords: AMD

Has anyone got AMD running on a Convex under 9.1,
I have AMD 5.3 running on our sun network and would like to run
it on the convex. The README file talks about AMD under ConvexOs 7.1
but it does not seem to want to compile under 9.1.
We have a convex C120. Any help would be greatfully received.


-- 
tonyb
From: hdw@mtek.chalmers.se (Anders 'Hdw' Jansson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
Subject: Searching for 34xx-ES
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:25:02 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

We're having some problems with our 3420-ES system and I'm wondering 
if there's any -ES users out there.

Our main problem seems to be connected with the memory controller
but I would like to check this up with other machines.

Please drop me a mail and I'll summarize any conclusions ;)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: fcr@ll.mit.edu (Frank Robey)
Subject: gcc on the convex
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:28:47 GMT

We had extreme difficulties here trying to get gcc to compile for the
convex.  We are running the convex in IEEE mode rather than in native
mode, and gcc did not want to link.  The people doing the port gave up
after a couple of days of frustration, and now we are using the ATT c++
compiler (which I don't like).  We have a C2MP.

Has anybody successfully compiled gcc and g++ for the convex with the
convex in IEEE mode?

Frank Robey
fcr@ll.mit.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: jelte@nlcvx.convex.nl (Jelte Feenstra)
Subject: Re: Share Program
Summary: Run though pseudo user with lost of shares.
Organization: CONVEX Computer BV
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:44:25 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan20.071635.23417@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> wayne@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Wayne Smith) writes:
>
>The reason I want to know more about the share shedular is because I am using a highly interactive program (ConvexAVS) while most other people are running long number crunchers - I want to optimise my interaction.
>
>Regards,
>Wayne Smith

The only way to run highly interactive but still compute intensive programs
like ConvexAVS satisfactorily in a Share scheduler environment, is by
getting enough shares.
Since you probably will not get that many shares for normal use, you might
have to think of ways, or start discussions to achieve a way, to run
AVS as a special share (pseudo-)user, similar to the pseudo-users network
and daemon.

You would need enough privileges to run 'slxqt AVS_user -x avs'.

Good luck, jelte.
From: little@carina.hks.com (Jim Littlefield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
Subject: Re: AMD Automounter
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:16:03 GMT
Organization: Hibbitt, Karlsson & Sorenson, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.hks.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Anthony Bennett (tonyb@gewng2.woking.sgp.slb.com) wrote:
: Has anyone got AMD running on a Convex under 9.1,
: I have AMD 5.3 running on our sun network and would like to run
: it on the convex. The README file talks about AMD under ConvexOs 7.1
: but it does not seem to want to compile under 9.1.
: We have a convex C120. Any help would be greatfully received.

Check out /pub/amd/amd920824.tar.Z on usc.edu. We have been running amd under
10.1.2, however I recall we were using it under 9.1 without any problems.

--

Jim Littlefield             "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the
<little@hks.com>             intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness",
			     but it doesn't work." - Gallagher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: FAQ for comp.sys.convex?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:47:08 GMT

>We could certain trade first time Convex exposure stories

The most shocking thing for me was being advised that home directories go in
/mnt.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.convex
From: rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: Re: is there a system call to return the number of processor?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:10:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan19.132612.4970@wl.com> agrafiot@wl.com (Dimitris Agrafiotis) writes:
>Is there a system call that returns the number of processors available
>on a convex?
>Thanks

getsysinfo(2) does report the number of CPUs in the box. however, if you
have set "limit concurrency n" from the shell to a lesser number, you can
also do a limit command from within a program to find out the number of
processes actually used (note that i don't know the behavior if your
launching shell is sh or ksh, i just know this works if it is csh):

#include <stdio.h>
char buf[1025];
void main (int argc, char *argv[])
{
	FILE *stream;

	if ((stream = popen("csh -c limit", "r")) == (FILE *) NULL)
	{
		fprintf (stderr, "popen failed\n");
		exit (1);
	}
	while (1)
	{
		fgets (buf, 1024, stream);
		if (feof (stream))
			break;
		fputs (buf, stdout);
	}
	exit (0);
}

say u have a 4 processor system and did "limit concurrency 2" from csh.
this should report 2 for concurrency (which you'll have to parse from
the popen stream, ie look for "concurrency"). getsysinfo(2) would report
4 CPUs...

-bill
rosenkra@convex.com

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From: welch@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
Subject: Re: Does _your_ system need rpc.rstatd? (free one available!)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:10:43 -0500
Organization: Info-1100 Mailing List

>
> Hi I'm crossposting to some sys groups, once, to find out which systems
> do _not_ have rpc.rstatd
>

Maybe some screening on which sys groups woulda helped, but you asked here
so we'll be happy to help you.

>
> Part of the program reads the kernel, and is therefore highly
> system-dependent, so I would not expect my code to compile right away
> on any other systems, without porting.

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure by what you mean by 'kernel' on my machine.

>    1.  Does your system have rstatd?  (In /usr/etc or /etc, possibly
> rpc.rstatd  or rstatd.)

Nope, no rstatd. No /usr/etc nor /etc either, for that matter. I do have a
{dsk}<lispfiles> if that might help you.

>
>    2.  Does your system have the rpc library? (In /lib or/usr/lib,
> possibly libsun.a, librpc.a, or in libc.a

Yup, we've got an rpc library. It lives in the LispUsers directory,
generally.  Those people who've got the NFS option probably have
RPC in {dsk}<lispfiles>nfs>, though it could also live on a file server
somewhere. In our case it lives in {caspian:lair:ohio-state}<medley-1.2>nfs>.

> Try:
>   nm LIB | egrep 'xdr|clnt|svc'
>

I assume you meant to do this in an Interlisp exec, since that's where
all the OS-related functions generally live. I get an error, 'nm is an
undefined function', and I assume you really meant to balance the |'s.

>
>    3.  What is the manufacturer and name of your operating system and
> computer?
>

Xerox made the computer, it's model 1186. The operating system is called
Medley, it's sold by a company called Venue. I tried this under release
Medley 1.2, but if you'd like I can try it under Lyric and Koto too. I can
also try the stuff on an 1108 or an 1109, but doubt it'll make any
difference since they're binary-compatible.

>    4.  Would you like to receive my sources to rpc.rstatd?

Unless they're in Interlisp-D or Common Lisp I don't see that they would
be very usefull for us. If you'd like you can send them to me anyway and
I'll send you back all the errors loading or compiling them generates. Just
tell me which hardware/OSversion you'd like me to test them out on.

>
> Followup-to e-mail.
>

Ah, here we see the problem. You've violated two of the cardinal rules of
posting, namely
1) posting to a newsgroup that you know nothing about
2) telling folks to reply by email since you don't monitor the newsgroup.

Thanks for the amusement though, this group has been kinda quiet of late.

...arun
Info-1100-request/comp.sys.xerox gatekeeper.

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