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From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:53:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.172454.23231@microsoft.com> philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper) writes:
*********                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
part of the problem is apparent here ^^^^^^^^^^
*********

>
>In the fiscal year just ended, the federal deficit was 290 billion.  
>This, in a budget of about 1.5 trillion dollars.  Your statement above
>that we are spending "almost 50% more than we take in" is not even
>close to being accurate.  The correct answer is about 20%.
>
>Phil Cooper

WELL EXCUSE ME!!!  People with intelligence far above mine are always
right!  You work for MicroStupid so you must be one of those smart, young
potato butts they so love to hire.

Please oh so smart one, what is the expected deficit for the current year?

[ I am not affiliated with Informix . ]

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Craig Shaver  (cshaver@informix.com for now) (415)390-0654 (415)926-6407
Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA  94088
From: mary@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Mary F Wentworth)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.contract,ne.jobs,comp.os.cpm
Subject: embedded systems engineering position available
Summary: a job available!!!!
Keywords: Z80,jobs
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:26:31 GMT
Organization: Houghton Mifflin Co. (Language Software Group)

Houghton Mifflin Co.			Cambridge, MA

Houghton Mifflin designs platform-independent linguistic software. Our
products are written in C on the PC and then ported to a variety of
platforms. We are looking for an engineer capable of porting these
products to a variety of microprocessors, including the Z80. In-circuit
emulation experience a must. Bank switching experience also necessary.

If you're interested, call me.

Mary Wentworth
617-252-3080 


-- 
                               Mary F. Wentworth

			   mary@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
From: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Subject: changing jobs
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Reply-To: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:08:50 GMT


I've been told that in the industry (electrical engineering) the fastest way
to get promotion and raises is to change jobs. The reason behind this (I was told)
is that when you work for one company for so long, your salary curve flattens out
and same thing with promotions.

First of all, can anyone verify the validity of the above claim and how much things have changed after all the layoffs and cutbacks?

Secondly, what are the implications in changing to another company when aren't
doing too bad in the current one (you're not doing great but not too bad.)

I assume many people on the net would be interested in reading from the experienced and the wise, so please post to the net.

Thanks,

Joe Tien
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:37:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.142043.9892@weyrich.UUCP> uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville writes:
>>
>>Screw them.  It's been 200 years since the last revolution in this
>>country and it's about time for another one.
>>
>
>Well you obviously aren't a "dull chap." Advocating armed rebellion against
>the government? My, my. a "real" man for sure. :-)
>
>I certainly don't think that lesser remedys are anywhere near being exhausted. 

If we do not get the situation under control soon, we will have armed
anarchy.


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Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA  94088
From: rdc00a@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Kelly Pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: re: Man Power Needed
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:35:46 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical R&D Command

In article <Bvrp6M.7qB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gregory j farrar) writes:
>Path: nocusuhs!mimsy!dtix!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>From: gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gregory j farrar)
>Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
>Subject: re: Man Power Needed
>Message-ID: <Bvrp6M.7qB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
>Date: 7 Oct 92 20:06:21 GMT
>Sender: <gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
>Organization: Indiana University
>Lines: 46
>
>	I mailed to the address and got this back. This sounds like a scam to
>me !
>
!!!!!!!!!You're right -- is 'Network Marketing'  Another Amway scam.

>From romingk@alleg.edu Wed Oct  7 10:35:59 1992
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>Subject: Re: healthy extra income
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>
>Thanks for your interest.  The concept of my business is quite  
>simple.  I work with a servicing company which supplies........ 
>
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:6979 misc.jobs.offered:12037
From: dlhpfm.uucp!tes!sam@ab.com
Newsgroups: group,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,cle.jobs
Subject: Field Service Engineer CAT Scanners Detroit, San Fran (Agent)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 13:23:58 EDT
Organization: Technical Employment Services, Inc.

Our client is a major third party service company that requires a
Field Service Engineer in San Franccisco and Detroit.  
the San Francisco position is for CAT Scan service primarily GE and
Picker.  Minimum of 3 - 5 years experience  Must be a self starter
and able to "Hit the streets running."
The Detroit position is for a Siemans CAT Scan Engineer with the
same requirements.  The company has an excellent relocation package
and benefit package.
Respond to Sam Sheterom,    TES, Inc.,    31601 Vine Street, 
Willowick, Ohio  44095 (216) 585-0200 FAC (216) 585-7327
From: b12635@ged.gedlab.allied.com (Phil Tait, (602) 231-7104)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: I love Arizona and I'm gonna go live there!
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:39:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ASAC, GED, Phx, Az
Nntp-Posting-User: b12635

In article <1992Sep19.013830.13960@panix.com>, ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes:
> The only reason I'm living and working in New York City is because
> it offers the highest wages for the type of work I do.  My only goal
> in terms of lifestyle, living and moving is to make enough money so
> I can move to Arizona.

Make sure you _do_ have enough for a comfortable retirement. :-)

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From: zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Gov't. spending (Was: Re: Bargaining for vacation time)?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:36:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ARP Software

mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
 
>You want a wide range of benefits from society: child care, health care,
>education, law enforcement (the list goes on and on ...) but you don't
>want to pay for it....
 
   More people would be willing to pay for it if they had the
*perception* that they were getting their money's worth. Here in
Wisconsin, state and local taxes are higher than a lot of places,
but people think (rightly or wrongly) that they are getting
better services because of it. We have the usual battles about
property tax relief etc, but you're not likely to see something
like Proposition 13 here. But we "know" our federal taxes go into
the big pork barrel.
 
>....................You demand that government be responsive, responsible
>and representative ... yet you elect people who steal, cheat and lie ...
>over and over again.
>
>The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that we all deserve
>the government we've got. The only really sad thing is that we are passing
>this disease to our children.
 
   It would help if the guy with the biggest campaign budget
didn't always win. That's where the PAC's get their power.
If expensive TV ads can buy an election, it's our own fault.
 
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zaphod@madnix.UUCP (Ron Bean)
uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod
From: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Keywords: interview,career,preferred job
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:03:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2AD45BD2.25508
Reply-To: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <int559r.718495844@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au>, int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak) writes:
|> Hi all.
|> 	My girlfriend went to an interview recently for a receptionist
|> position in a (small) printing/publishing firm, and the interviewer
|> asked her:
|> 
|>    "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
|> a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"
|> 
|> 	The question excluded the job offered, so what was she really
|> trying to ask?
|> 
|> 	Thanks,  Misha.

My guess is that the interviewer is trying to see if 1) she really wants this
job (as opposed to a temporary thing just to make money) and 2) whether she
will be satisfied with the job and does not care to move up. 

Not knowing much about the industry, I think one possible answer might be
that she would eventually like to move up to a management position (or whatever
that is appropriate) but sees the current position as a good starting point.

Just my two cents.

Joe Tien
 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc
From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,fl.jobs,misc.consumers
Subject: Allen & Associates (Headhunters)
Keywords: headhunt, job search
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:23:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Hello,


Has anyone out there ever dealt with Allen & Associates? I am
keeping an open mind about my visit to their office, but one thing
is for certain: a little alarm went off in my head when the woman
there wanted a 398 dollar "out-of-pocket" payment up front. She
said in most cases the employer that hires you will reimburse
you. I walked in this place and took a little "how everyone else
perceives you vs. how you perceive yourself" test, and was told
that my "energy level is high", etc.


Skeptic
From: vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: layoffs, hiring freeze...
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:55:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bw2w1B.F4G@news.larc.nasa.gov> jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.143655.11527@Princeton.EDU>, subbarao@tex.Princeton.EDU (Kartik Subbarao) writes:
>|> 
>|> GEEZ. This is precisely the kind of rumors that the press loves to
>|> perpetuate. NO, HP DID NOT LAY OFF ANY PEOPLE, and DOESN'T PLAN TO. What
>|> was announced was that HP plans to offer VSI (Voluntary Severance
>|> Incentive) to reduce its workforce. The plan that was announced is that
>
> VSI = layoff with slick name
>-- 
>************************      Don't just do it!     ***********************
>Lockheed Eng. and Sci. Co./Nasa Larc|J. Keith Alston jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov

   By the way, Lockheed DOES NOT LAY OFF PEOPLE either.  At Lockheed
you are made Available For Reassignment (AFRed).  Typically, this
means that after three weeks the person is reassigned to a folding
chair at the unemployment office, their salary is reassigned to the
quarterly corporate profit line, and their home is reassigned to the
multiple listing service.  We are fortunate that in modern US
corporations layoffs are now a thing of the past.


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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Subject: Re: changing jobs
Reply-To: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:11:38 GMT

In article <2ADA3DC2.9224@news.service.uci.edu>,
jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien) writes:
> 
> I've been told that in the industry (electrical engineering) the fastest way
> to get promotion and raises is to change jobs. The reason behind this
(I was told)
> is that when you work for one company for so long, your salary curve
flattens out
> and same thing with promotions.
> 
> First of all, can anyone verify the validity of the above claim and
how much things have changed after all the layoffs and cutbacks?
> 
> Secondly, what are 
I know someone who graduated in 1990 and has doubled his salary since then.
He just started his 3rd job since graduation recently.  People who 
started the same time as him at job #1 and stayed there are making 
about $5k to $8k less........
From: baylor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Baylor)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:00:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>Crime is everywhere now.  Even small cities like Portland have their share
>of crime.  If you are fairly smart about where you go and when, you can
>avoid a lot of it. Unfortunately, a lot also comes looking of you these
>days.

	Absolutely everywhere - even rural rinky dink places. The biggest
"dealer" problem I ever saw was in a very ritzy, exclusive white brat
neighborhood.
	But in some cities it's easier to avoid the bad parts than in others.
I know some cities where certain areas were completely safe (oops - never
be so absolute) while in others the nice part of town was only a block
and rubbed elbows with the bad parts, so while you lived in a good pocket
you could never walk far.
	It's just easier to avoid in some areas than in others.
	Oh yeah - poor isn't always crime. Some very safe areas i've known
were dirt-poor. That seems especially true in small poor cities and not as 
much in poor subdivisions/neighborhoods of large cities. Then again,
my part of dallas, oak cliff, was always good to me, and i walked for years
late at night with no problem, but friends say that it's one of the worst
areas of the city, so i guess some people can just be luckier than others.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:22:34 GMT

In article <81544@ut-emx.uucp> shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Srihari Shoroff) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.161240.18810@weyrich.UUCP> orville@weyrich.UUCP (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:
>>In article <1afjm1INNkmd@overload.lbl.gov> prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep30.151501.9522@informix.com> cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>>
>>If  the goal is to eliminate trade deficits, then  a sliding-scale import
>>tax  is the best  tool, since it can be implemented unilatterally  and doesn't
>>depend on  our converting the Japanese [and other] value systems to  be the
>>same as our own.
>>
>>[..]
>>
>>orville
>
>I'm not very conversant with international commerce, but isnt this *adjustment* 
>automatically accomplished if the currencies are freely traded, like most western 
>currencies are? The currency of the country having a surplus should become stronger
>than the one running a deficit, thus evening out things dynamically. Anyone care
>to give me an economics lesson? Are there factors that dont permit this adjustment
>because of aberrations to the ideal model?


Well, given the fact that [measured in $$$] the efflux of $$$ from the U.S.
is greater than the influx of $$$ to the U.S., then it would appear that either
the theory is broken or else that assumptions are violated.

But then again, there is a theory regarding population growth that predicts
that in the absense of self-control, the action of famine, disease, and war
will stabilize the population. I for one would prefer to find less drastic
approaches to stabilizing population. And similar considerations may apply
in international trade.


orville

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Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
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From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Hiring Freeze
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:47:36 GMT
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In article <1992Oct5.225045.29430@den.mmc.com> jhull@thor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (   Joseph F. Hull) writes:
>
>If they have made you an offer in writing, they are obligated to hire you 
>(not that they always do).  

Ya no kidding. I worked for a company that laid off an employee three
days before she started. This is after relocating her. The eventually
made things right for her and I think she was ok with it in the long 
run.

>"Hiring freezes" usually are directions from
>offer has already been made, it (usually) isn't covered by the "freeze."  

I have seen instances where the president of the company put on a hiring
freeze. All outstanding offers where made good on. A few key offers
that where in the works were still filled, only after the hiring manager
justified it to the pres.

>If they have not made you an offer in writing, then you don't have an 
>offer.  Period.  

Is this true? I think job offers fall into the verbal contract arena.
Of course you would have to prove that the offer was made and not talked
about as a possibility. Maybe this is only in CA.

Marke
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale)
Subject: Re: How to answer these contract head hunters
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:36:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202049.9345@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com writes:
>In article 11087@netcom.com, sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale) writes:
>>
>>5. Are these contract agency people technically qualified?
>
>Some are, some aren't.  Some were selling shoes last week.
>
>Many of these sales folks are only able to match buzzwords and numbers.
>They want Turbo C on DOS 3.3 with 3+ years; Microsoft C on DOS 5.0 does not 
>match.
>
     
You are right. I hope they know the difference between computer and 
calculator.

>---
>Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
>Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
>1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
>


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Re: International Software Jobs
Organization: Grumman Corporation
	<1992Oct14.102321.22396@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Oct15.095016.12775@rdg.dec.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:56:31 GMT

I've been receiving the ICPA newsletter for about three months.  There
are quite a few ads in it, but the ones which I've responded to have
already been filled.  Interestingly enough, the ads continue to
appear.  I'm not saying that all of the ads are that way, I have only
responded to ads in Asia and the Pacific Rim, and there are always a
number of ads from Europe which doesn't interest me.

I have not become a member because I can't see anything that would
benefit me personally.  They will translate resumes and cover letters
and send out mass mailings of your resume.  But they only translate to
European languages, and the cost for the mass mailing seems high.

So far, the low cost of the newsletter has made it attractive, but I'm
not sure that I will renew my subscription because of the low
percentage of ads from the area of the world where I want to work.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Organization: National Science Center Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:58:30 GMT
	<ted.718056682@sage0> <BvnH9q.5vH@apollo.hp.com> <jyc.718300647@Leland>
	<1992Oct6.230142.10953@cs.tulane.edu>

In article <1992Oct6.230142.10953@cs.tulane.edu> coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu ( LAURA CARRIERE) writes:

>whereas in the U.S. I might want to know when comparing two offers,
>but I'd be a fool to inquire now, wouldn't I?

<shrug> Just ask for a full list of benefits.  Pretty standard.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Reply-To: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:55:35 GMT

>>There is one other piece of information I expect prospective candidates to
>>know which is where I got MY computer science degree from. :-;
How are you supposed to know that if you don't know who is interviewing
you beforehand.

How would you find out where the interviewer went to school??
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  |  Steve Bourge
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu
Subject: FANTASY JOB...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:38:18 MST


	What would your fantasy job be?  

	Mine would involve several things...
	Speaking, training, motivational talks,
	It would include racewalking and travel, 
	Lots of people, kids, talking, laughing.  

	So, with all those thoughts, what is the job I am seeking?  
	
	It would really help to put a title to my desires... will you all
respond with an idea of what you think this job could be.  It would help me in
my job search.  I've decided that by Jan 1, 1993, I will no longer be in this 
current position but instead will do something that excites me and makes me
eager to face each day.

	I am very serious.  So, give me a hand, and come up with a suggestion. 
Everyone is a winner if they respond.  There are no wrong answers...

Thanks for the response... have fun.

Marge