From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RE:Massacre in Kashmir
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:50:20 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <C0p68v.M7L@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu 
(Sareer A Fazili) writes:
>...... (truth of the Fazilian kind deleted)......

 I *never* said in any of my replies that there has never been a hide-up of
 facts and excesses did not occur, and, the Indian Forces just were going
 dancing up the Valley with a bunch of roses. Such imaginations, innuendos,
 and, invectives may suit Mr.Fazili's way of writing. It always has, given the
 support that the author (Fazili) has shown for the JKLF atrocities in Kashmir.
 The molestation of facts, that Ed. Gargan had published in the NYT, as a
 special suppplement, by Mr.Fazili is a conspicuous example of what the JKLF
 Lying Machine (Mr.Fazili) has as his honorable, exalted objectives.

 In short, Mr.Fazili's diatribes and cry-hoarse-till-moon-turns-green-cheese
 attitude can only falsely drag people's attention, but, truth - Nah ! No
 way Fazili's comments are correct. It is biased and illogical. Let's see what
 the honorable author has to say.

> 
> It is really easy to conjure up stories and say that they are, or were proved
> to be false, but I would like to see or hear of a bibliographic reference that
> says explicitly that the gang rape that occured in Kunan Poshpora, and later in
> Sopore, and also that the firing on the procession of Moulvi Farooq's funeral
> were faked. The New York Times reported on all these incidents, and something
> tells me that if these were "mistakenly" reported as true, then a retraction
> would have been printed with an aside claiming that new evidence argued

 The GOI has admitted the atrocities of IA. The Fazilian claims that *all* of
 it is GOI's machinations, is queer and surprising. Mr.Fazili has not made his
 study of Gargan's article in a thorough manner. Gargan's article claerly does
 point out the atrocitices. GOI has handed down severeties on those against
 whom complaints have been reported.

 The most stupid part in Fazili's writing is that he thinks that Indians and
 GOI must sleep in peace when Pakistan has clearly said that it will train
 JKLF soilders and arm them with AK-47 rifles. Moreover Pakistan has always
 been watering the seeds of discontent and Islamic fundamentalism, (I think that
 Mr.Fazili being a kashmiri-american will have read the 1990 AI report), and,
 Gargan's report *CLEARLY* shows Maqbool Ilahi and Javad Ahmed Mir (with 
 photos) who have sworn that they will get support from Pakistan in liberating
 kashmir and annexing it with Pakistan. (This has been read by Mr.Fazili, yes;
 but he, I think, did so by shutting his eyes. Otherwise, only a blind person
 can overlook such things.) No government can overlook or remain passive to
 the rise in terrorism within and on her territorial confines. Will U.S.A for
 example be quiet if here is any sense of danger on hre borders ???? The fault
 of India is that it has been constantly reacting to such unrests with no more
 ferocity than the JKLF terrorism - supported by Pakistan. (Please read the
 article by Gargan - where this has been clearly stated that Javad Ahmed Mir
 (JKLF) leader says that *all* training by the terrorists is done by Pakistan
 and Pakistan has been giving, moral, economic, military support for the 
 creation of another dar-ul-Islam in Kashmir. I am *CHALLENGING* you to prove
 me to the contrary. If you can prove that the above lines are *not* there in
 Gargan's article, NYT, 22nd Nov. special issue, then I shall quit posting on
 the SCI.) I am also aware of the 1991 AI report on Police Brutality in the
 jails in India. I know and that issue *can never* be conviniently clubbed
 with the attempts to combat Islamic fundamentalism in Kashmir and within the
 confines of India. I can assure you, that, if GOI remained inactive and did
 shut her eyes - to please some (p)secularists like you, then there would have
 been more riots and severe strife in India. GOI does know that.

> against what was originally reported. Kashmiris in the US are extremely well
> informed, and the news that we get from IOK is very accurate. Unless one can
> prove that a news report was false, or that evidence was presented to it's
> contrary, I would hope that grandstanding such as this would not take place.
>

 I know that U.S is well informed, but, truths of the Fazilian kind are more
 dangerous and should be communicated appropriately to the U.S government.

> In conclusion, the FACTS are that GOI is supporting a military presence of over
> 400,000 soldiers.Don't believe it? I am sure all interested parties can peruse
> through early editions of the NYT from Jan., Feb.,and March of 1990 to get the
> exact number. Your local Congressman can get the info for you too.

 Jan, Feb, March 1990 is quite outdated. Talk of the present Mr.Fazili. We
 don't want to go back in time. 

> And the press is not allowed in Kashmir. Ed Gargan's article was allowed under
> his guise as a tourist! 

  This is just another of the Fazilian truths.

>.....(excessive but unnecessary truths deleted, sorry)........

> Sareer A. Fazili
> 
> P.S. And I am not one to take kindly to personal attacks either. I think that
> Mr. Deb Chatterjee should stick to issues and not flowery prose and garnished
> attacks on others. I am dumbfounded as to the fear that he has of Muslims and
> Islam.Zealotry shows it's face in all other religions, or has he already
> forgotten the Ayodha mosque incident?

 There has been *no* personal attacks. If you start dreaming up, twisting up
 facts, then surely you cannot expect readers to gulp down whatever you think.
 Thus, your childish attitude is simply hilarious. Moreover, I have *nothing*
 against Muslims/ Islam. However, Islamic fundamentalism - in India is what
 I shall sternly protest against. Creating dar-ul-Islams and getting support
 from pakistan or other countries and causing uprising(s) within India is what
 many others and myself will protest. This, I think, your local Congressman 
 will also agree. The soverignity of India is what I stand for. A Muslim or a
 Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Jain, Buddhist is an Indian first. Let me ask you a
 question: can Muslims in the U.S claim dar-ul-Islam as they are doing in India
 now ? Can you get the reply, if you don't know what to answer, from your local
 Congressman, on this issue ?

 I have something to advice: please, if you cannot argue, do not attempt to
 blame accuse me or any other as "personal attacks". This is quite a hollow
 bankrupt argument, only given by children. I see that many others have grown
 up, except your noble self.

    - regards,
 
     deb chatterjee
  (a good samaritan)