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From: SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU
Subject: VM/CMS KERMIT-ZYPLEX-MODEM - How do I get KERMIT to work?
Organization: UW-Parkside
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:01:22 GMT

Okay, Here we go !
I am trying to do a KERMIT transfer from CMS to a PC. (or a MAC or an AMIGA)
This happens in either TEXT or BINARY mode.
I have tried it with CMS in server mode also.
CMS version 4.2.3 (Just got it today!)
The connection is as follows - (please bear with a limited knowledge base)
 
IBM PS/2 Model 50 Connected thru a modem (1200baud 8-N-1)
to a ZYPLEX BOX (black box to me)(see note)
thru TCP/IP to
CMS rel. 8.
 
note: The ZYPLEX takes a dialup connection and performs a TELNET to the machine
you want to get to. IE, dial-in ; get menu; select computer; connect to compute
r.
 
I have tried various settings for CMS and I can't communicate.
The CMS kermit works fine through the trusty 7171 and a modem !
If anyone has a similiar setup and has it working, please let me know.
If you have no idea what I am talking about, I understand.
Thanks for your time !
Doug Mckeown
sysdmcke@vm.uwp.edu
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.ibm:821 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:5261
From: cgra@btma74.nohost.nodomain
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: NFS
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:26:16 GMT
Reply-To: cgra@btma74.nohost.nodomain ()
Followup-To: comp.protocols.ibm


In article <1992Nov13.172400.5004@gumby.dsd.trw.com>, modic@gumby.dsd.trw.com (Jeanine A. Modic-Carmona) writes:
|>Path: se.alcbel!alcbel!ub4b!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!rrz.uni-koeln.de!unidui!math.fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!ira.uka.de!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!venice!gumby.dsd.trw.com!modic
|>From: modic@gumby.dsd.trw.com (Jeanine A. Modic-Carmona)
|>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
|>Subject: NFS
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov13.172400.5004@gumby.dsd.trw.com>
|>Date: 13 Nov 92 17:24:00 GMT
|>Organization: TRW Space & Defense, Redondo Beach, CA
|>Lines: 122
|>Xref: se.alcbel comp.protocols.ibm:286 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:5086
|>
|>
|>Hi! I was wondering if anyone has tried to backup a PC or Mac to an IBM 
|>mainframe via TCP/IP? If so, how?
|>
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[repetitions deleted...]

Tried using echo suppression?:-))
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 10:56:06 EST
From: David Ehresman <DEEHRE01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
Subject: Kermit file transfers thru 3174 AEA

Has anyone successfully done file transfers between MSDOS and VM
using Kermit and going thru an IBM 3174 controller with the AEA
feature?  If so, could you tell me the appropriate settings for
the CMS-KERMIT and the MSDOS-Kermit?
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
From: jules@kbsw1 (Jules Dubois)
Subject: Re: Kermit file transfers thru 3174 AEA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:25:14 GMT
Reply-To: jules@kbsw1.UUCP (Jules Dubois)
Organization: Consultant

In article <19921119133852.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu
(Roger Wilfong) writes:
>In Article <92322.105606DEEHRE01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> "David Ehresman
> <DEEHRE01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>" says:
>> Has anyone successfully done file transfers between MSDOS and VM
>> using Kermit and going thru an IBM 3174 controller with the AEA
>> feature?  If so, could you tell me the appropriate settings for
>> the CMS-KERMIT and the MSDOS-Kermit?
>> 
> 
>The problem is more than just 'setting'.
>[...]
>You ever considered FTP?  

Or get a McDATA Corporation LM7100 to replace the 3174?

Jules


Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,bit.listserv.snamgt-l,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.misc
From: garrod@smaug.enet.dec.com (Dave Garrod)
Subject: Re: Running VAX/VMS application over IBM SNA network
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:44:08 GMT


Re:

>It would be nice if the existing 3270 terminals could be used, ideally but
>necessarily emulating VT100 terminals.  An approach requiring separate
>terminals would be fine since the department that would be accessing our
>application is going to need another terminal, or PC emulating a VT100,
>in most cases anyways

Digital Equipment Corporation has a set of products that addresses this. You
need the

DEC SNA Domain Gateway-CT

which is a IBM channel attached gateway that emulates a PU5 node. It provides
access to PLUs (ie cross domain resources / APPLIDs) that run on the VMS 
systems.

On the VMS systems you install the:

MEP VT for DEC SNA 3270 Application Services

product. This provides VT220 emulation for 3270 terminals and SNA attached PCs
emulating 3270s in the SNA network. All applications that function on a VT220 
will function through this emulator. Ie things such as ALL-IN-1, EDT, full
screen applications etc.

If you need additional information please call your local Digital sales office 
or send me a mail message.

Dave
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.ibm:812 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:5182
From: drake@drake.almaden.ibm.com (Sam Drake)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: NFS
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:36:45 GMT
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

In article <1992Nov13.172400.5004@gumby.dsd.trw.com> modic@gumby.dsd.trw.com (Jeanine A. Modic-Carmona) writes:
>
>Hi! I was wondering if anyone has tried to backup a PC or Mac to an IBM 
>mainframe via TCP/IP? If so, how?

IBM sells a (ahem) wonderful product to do this, the Workstation Data Save
Facility.  Allows you to back up DOS, AIX, OS/2, SunOS and Mac clients
to a central VM mainframe.  The follow-on product, DFSMS, supports the same
clients and both VM and MVS mainframes.

Backup and restore are completely automatic; you can retrieve previous versions
of files; both disk and offline media are supported in a storage hierarchy;
etc.   Designed to back up all your PCs and workstations without strain.
From: rob@hp11 (Rob Freyder)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: PPP between different networks? (i.e., 183... & 142...)
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:56:44 GMT

[ Stuff Deleted ]

>Sure, no problem.  Just tell your PPP link about each end's IP
>address.  None of the addresses are related to any other IP address in
>either your address space of that of your peer.  Each IP interface is
>independent of any others on the same machine, so it can use the same
>address as some other interface, different addresses in the same
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?

You mean if I have multiple PPP interfaces configured on a single machine
they can all have the same IP address ?!  Doesnt it get confused ?


Rob.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Internet access via PPP
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:42:10 GMT

In article <ERICT.92Nov20163437@Fairview-Heights.ascent-west.uucp> erict@ascent-west.uucp (Eric Tiffany) writes:
>I am looking for a list of organizations that provide dialup Internet
>access (besides PSI; I know about them).  I would like ppp access, but
>that seems to be an expensive option, so regular tty access is
>probably all I really want.  I am interested primarily in the New York
>City / Westchester County region to avoid long-distance calls.

Hmm... would you be interested in Long distance calls if the ppp service
itself only charged a flat $13 per month?  Might still be cheaper than
usage-based ppp charges in NYC!

(Demon Internet Systes, London UK <internet@demon.co.uk>)

G
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From: manmetha@gauss.rutgers.edu (Rajesh Malhotra)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Wanted : Recommendations for Terminal Servers
Keywords: RS6000, SLIP, TCP/IP
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:26:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Fellow Netters,
	The following is being posted for a friend without Internet access.
Please send replies to this account and I will forward them.
	Thanx,

Raj.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

We are looking for recommendations for SLIP connectivity to an IBM RS/6000.
We have been told that the included SLIP device driver on the RS/6000
only supports 8 concurrent connections.  We are considering placing
terminal servers across an ethernet connection.  By placing the modem
pool on the terminal server we will be able to have the Slip connection
be routed across the ethernet to the RS/6000.  We know of no limit on
the number of TCP connections to the RS/6000.  

The requirements are:

	1. 9 to 50 SLIP connections to one or more terminal servers.
	2. Data rates of 19.2 to 56.7Kbps, expecting to use some
		switched 56kbps lines with async to sync converters.
	3. Transparent access  directly from the Mac to the RS/6000.
		We wish to avoid the need to login to the terminal server.
		We wish to have all calls routed to 1 or alternate
			 RS/6000's.
		We wish to have IP addresses dynamically assigned to 
		the remote user, independent of the phone line to the
		terminal server that they use.

The remote nodes are Apple Macintoshes running MacTCP, by Apple,
and MacSLIP, by Hydepark Software.  Without a terminal server we can
use the bootp daemon to dynamically assign addresses to the remote
users(so I'm told).  Do any terminal servers do this or have an
alternative method?  The goal is to forego addressing changes on the
remote nodes based on the phone line used for access.

We are considering the Telebit Netblazer.  We would also consider a
better SLIP device driver.  Recommendations?

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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Multiple destinations?
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:19:31 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

(The saga continues)

It does not appear possible to have a single `dp' line calling several
hosts, without munging the routing tables etc.  True?  Is there a
workaround?

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From: dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: FTP site for PPP???
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:42:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: wvnvms.1992Nov16.103012.4042
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Where can I find overviews or tech docs on PPP via anonymous FTP or something
likek that???

Thank you.

dave
grasso@cards.com
From: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: PPP between different networks? (i.e., 183... & 142...)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:00:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: volitans.BOB.92Nov23150052
	<BOB.92Nov10094722@volitans.MorningStar.Com> <1992Nov19.151251@bbn.com>
Organization: Morning Star Technologies

In article <1992Nov19.151251@bbn.com> adiwan@bbn.com (Arif Diwan) writes:
      In article <1992Nov9.050242.16958@hawkmoon.mn.org> det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer) writes:
         Can I connect one machine on one network, say 183.100.1.1 to
         another machine on another network, say 142.49.1.18; or must
         both machines be one the same network?

      Each ... IP interface can use ... some [address] you've pulled
      out of thin air.
      
   Except when you are routing packets to one via the other from the
   Internet and vice versa. You need to get a NIC registered IP
   address.

Of course.  I was trying to make the point that the IP addresses of
two different interfaces on the same machine (at least machines
running BSD-like UNIX variants) are totally unrelated.

      The netmask is incidental and ignored.

   Also, if these point to point links are hooking up networks which
   are subnetted then you will need proper masks for routing packets;
   correct?

No, the original question mentioned connecting different network
numbers, and subnet masks are a private matter within each Autonomous
System.  That's the whole point of subnetting.

For example, I suspect that bbn.com probably uses 8-bit subnets within
128.89, but (a) I can't easily tell, (b) it would be too much for all
the routers in the world to keep track of all the subnet masks inside
all the world's ASs, and (c) I don't care.  The rest of the world
shuffles all packets for 128.89.0.0 toward your NEARnet gateway, and
we let your internal routers figure it out from there.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Re: What terminal emulation for KA9Q (NET.EXE) telnet?
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:54:07 GMT
Keywords: ka9q slip ppp sun pc terminal emulation vt100

In article <cornell.721976513@texas> cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes:
=I'm trying out KA9Q (NET.EXE) for connecting a PC to a Sun Sparc1 (SunOS4.1.1)
=over RS-232.  I use "telnet" to make the connection.  I'm curious what
=I should tell the Sun about my terminal emulation.

Try "amiga".

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: dschieb@muse.cv.nrao.edu (Darrell Schiebel)
Subject: access to machines other than host?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:34:10 GMT


	I have PPP working between my home machine, athena, and my work
	machine, muse. However, I was wondering if there is a way to 
	configure my system so that I could access machines other than
	muse from home through the gateway to muse. It seems like this
	is the way it should work anyway, so perhaps I just have something 
	configured wrong. I'd appreciate any suggestions.

							many thanks,
							Darrell Schiebel
From: greg@coombs.anu.edu.au (Greg Price)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Sunlink PPP
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:40:59 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) writes:

>Has anyone seen a real product announcement for Sunlink PPP. It was apparently
>announced at Interop, but I have seen no details. In particular, does it
>support Solaris 2.x?

My Sun reps have told me it will be out (in OZ) around the end of 1Q '93.
Try giving Sun a call.

Greg
From: adiwan@bbn.com (Arif Diwan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: PPP between different networks? (i.e., 183... & 142...)
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:12:51 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman
NNTP-Posting-Host: blowtorch.bbn.com

In article <BOB.92Nov10094722@volitans.MorningStar.Com>, bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) writes:
B.Sutterfield|>  In article <1992Nov9.050242.16958@hawkmoon.mn.org>\
B.Sutterfield|>  det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer) writes:
B.Sutterfield|>  Can I connect one machine on one network, say 183.100.1.1 to
B.Sutterfield|>  another machine on another network, say 142.49.1.18; or must\
B.Sutterfield|>  both
B.Sutterfield|>  machines be one the same network?

B.Sutterfield|>  Sure, no problem. Just tell your PPP link about each end's IP
B.Sutterfield|>  address. None of the addresses are related to any other IP\
B.Sutterfield|>  address in
B.Sutterfield|>  either your address space of that of your peer. Each IP\
B.Sutterfield|>  interface is
B.Sutterfield|>  independent of any others on the same machine, so it can use\
B.Sutterfield|>  the same
B.Sutterfield|>  address as some other interface, different addresses in the\
B.Sutterfield|>  same
B.Sutterfield|>  subnet, different addresses in the same network, or something\
B.Sutterfield|>  you've
B.Sutterfield|>  pulled out of thin air.

B.Sutterfield|>  For example, our link to the world looks like
B.Sutterfield|>  du0: flags=0x51<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING>
B.Sutterfield|>  inet 137.175.1.1 --> 38.146.20.1 netmask ffff0000
B.Sutterfield|>  The netmask is incidental and ignored.


Bob - Except when you are routing packets to one via the other from the Internet
	and vice versa. You need to get a NIC registered IP address. Also, if
	these point to point links are hooking up networks which are subnetted
	then you will need proper masks for routing packets; correct?

-- 

				-- Arif Diwan (adiwan@bbn.com)
						617/873-6274
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Is this group archived anywhere?
From: babb@malibu.dst.battelle.org (Larry Babb (Dayton office))
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:34:36 GMT
Organization: Battelle Defense Systems and Technology

Hi -

The subject says it all.

			- Larry
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: coggs@Cogwheel.COM (Bob Coggeshall)
Subject: Re: Internet access via PPP
Reply-To: coggs@Cogwheel.COM
Organization: Cogwheel - Boulder * Hong Kong
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:31:39 GMT

In article <ERICT.92Nov20163437@Fairview-Heights.ascent-west.uucp>, erict@ascent-west.uucp (Eric Tiffany) writes:
|> I am looking for a list of organizations that provide dialup Internet
|> access (besides PSI; I know about them).  

You want this: 

      The Public Dialup Internet Access List (PDIAL)

Archie says you can get it lots of places. One of them being:

	ftp.uu.net /usenet/news.answers/pdial.Z

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: wanted: PPP or slip for 6386 running SVR3.2
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:15:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Followup-To: poster

It's probably the straight AT&T release, rather than something from
SCO or the like.  Reply by mail, please.

		--Steve Bellovin
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: What terminal emulation for KA9Q (NET.EXE) telnet?
Keywords: ka9q slip ppp sun pc terminal emulation vt100
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Lab., C&C Software Technology Center (Dallas, TX)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:01:53 GMT

I'm trying out KA9Q (NET.EXE) for connecting a PC to a Sun Sparc1 (SunOS4.1.1)
over RS-232.  I use "telnet" to make the connection.  I'm curious what
I should tell the Sun about my terminal emulation.  I was hoping
that vt100 would be the emulation, but trying to edit a file is
very difficult because of the mismatch of terminal type.  I tried
setting my term on the Sun to several other common types with no
luck.

Can anyone help me out here?  Is there someway that I can tell KA9Q
what type of terminal it is?  Are there other alternative PC programs
for running PPP (or SLIP) besides KA9Q?

--- Cornell
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer)
Subject: Re: PPP between different networks? (i.e., 183... & 142...)
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:23:18 GMT

Rob Freyder (rob@hp11) wrote:
: [ Stuff Deleted ]
: 
: >Sure, no problem.  Just tell your PPP link about each end's IP
: >address.  None of the addresses are related to any other IP address in
: >either your address space of that of your peer.  Each IP interface is
: >independent of any others on the same machine, so it can use the same
: >address as some other interface, different addresses in the same
:             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?
: 
: You mean if I have multiple PPP interfaces configured on a single machine
: they can all have the same IP address ?!  Doesnt it get confused ?
: rob@marley.aws.waii.com

When you say multiple PPP interfaces do you mean multiple /dev/ entries
like /dev/ppp[0-4], for example?  Or do you mean something else that one
would have to configure into the code?  Right now, just to try and get
my ppp stuff working i have configured my machine to have the same
internet network portion (142.49.30.1) as the system at work that i am
calling (142.49.1.23).  However, it doesn't seem to be communicating and
it panics when i have a PPP link of some sort established and then do a
netstat -r.  It obviously isn't comletely connected since a ping of the
other system times out.   (Esix 4.0.3a)

derek
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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Ignoring protocols in dial-up PPP
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:42:41 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

System: SunOS 4.1.2, PPP: 2.2-beta.

Now that I've gotten it working, I want to be able to run RWHO and
ROUTED etc, without it triggering the dial-out.  I tried disabling
those protocols in the access file, but what happens is that the
attempt is flagged as an error, and genuine protocols get bounced as
well, because of the timer intervals.  We don't have RWHOD source
(this is SunOS), and I'm struggling with GATED (which the "README"
recommends to use, in preference to ROUTED).

Could another protocol be added, e.g. "ignore udp rip" or similar,
so these packets are silently discarded?  Of course, once the link
is established they'll go through.

Is there a later release that 2.2-beta?

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From: bruce@algol.demon.co.uk (Bruce Mardle)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Internet access via PPP
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:53:42 GMT
Organization: none

In article <By2oyA.t1@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk writes:
	> Hmm... would you be interested in Long distance calls if the ppp service
	> itself only charged a flat $13 per month?  Might still be cheaper than
Good grief! Is the exchange rate really down to 1.3?!

I haven't looked into the matter for over a year but then I found
two commercial US Internet providers:
  Netcom: (408) 554-UNIX
and
  The World: staff@world.std.com

alt.bbs.internet is a good source for this sort of info.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp
From: erict@ascent-west.uucp (Eric Tiffany)
Subject: Internet access via PPP
Organization: Ascent
Distribution: na
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:34:37


[reposted due to news screwup - sorry if you've seen it]

I am looking for a list of organizations that provide dialup Internet
access (besides PSI; I know about them).  I would like ppp access, but
that seems to be an expensive option, so regular tty access is
probably all I really want.  I am interested primarily in the New York
City / Westchester County region to avoid long-distance calls.

Any info would be appreciated, including pointers to better places to
post this question.  Send Email, unless you think other people would
like this info too.

Thanks

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