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From: kjs@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Kevin J. Shuholm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Turbo Timer?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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In article <1993Jan17.173005.13514@news.duc.auburn.edu> kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan) writes:
>OK I got a Chrysler 2.5 turbo so I let it idle a minute or so before 
>shutting it down.  Problem is my wife *hates* to do this and she drives 
>it more than I do.  So I've heard of something called a Turbo Timer, so 
>when you turn off the ignition it runs for however long you told it to 
>before it really turns off.  Of course there would have to be a bypass 
>in case you really needed to shut down *now*.  I've also heard that these 
>things cost >$100.  Anybody know the scoop?
>
>Cheapskate time: seems like I could easily adapt a headlight timer
>($14 @ J.C. Whitney) that turns off your headlights 3 minutes after 
>_you_ turn them off.  Then you could turn off the ignition, take the keys, 
>and go on in to the grocery store or wherever, and the car would take care 
>of itself.  
>
>BTW how long _should_ then engine idle (ideally) to cool down the turbo?
>

I've heard of times around 5 minutes if the engine is really warm.
However, if the turbo has water-cooled bearings (note, this has nothing
to do with an intercooler) then cool down shouldn't be required.      

Are you sure you would really like to lock up your car and leave it with
the engine running?  I've heard of too many cases where somebody left
their engine running, went into the house for just a minute, and came
out to find that their car had rolled away.  

Kevin

>Comments?  Sugestions?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: WHAT IS AN A-I-R PUMP ON A CHEVY CAPRICE ENGINE?
From: pzh@aeg.dsto.gov.au (Paul Heuer)
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:00:55 CST

bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.082111.165610@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> pzh@swan.dsto.gov.au (Paul Heuer) writes:
>>mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:
>><< stuff deleted>>
>[More stuff deleted]
>>{Stuff I said before deleted} (I hope this doesn't turn into a cascade :-)

>The reason is that most AIR pumps pump air to the exhaust ports during initial
>warm up of the car, and then switch and pump the air into the cat-con.

Cat-con?? What cat-con. I should have specified that my car is a 1982 leaded
(GM) Holden. 

>This allows the cat-con to heat up faster, and helps cold-weather starting.
>The engineers found that one easy way to make a fuel-injected car run rich
>when cold (like the choke on a carbed engine) is to run air into the exhaust 
>stream up-wind from the O2 sensor, fooling the O2 sensor into telling the 
>computer that the car was running too lean.  In reaction to the 'lean'

The "computer" in my car consists of a couple of thermally activated vacuum
switches that let you have vacuum advance once the motor is warm. No O2 sensor
in sight and still using a piece-of-sh1t French carby! Ahh technology - it sure
had our carmakers fooled for a while!
 
>condition, the fuel injectors are pulsed longer, and more fuel is injected, 
>making for a richer mixture.  If you remove the AIR pump, the car won't run 
>properly when cold and will start like shit.

I think that the reason for not removing the belt from the air pump in my case
is that, with no air pressure from the pump, hot exhaust gases can flow into
the pump and possibly ignite the plastic and rubber parts of the pump
(thanks to some-one else for coming up with this reason). As far as removing
the pump altogether, I suspect that the police and/or road traffic board would
decide the car was not roadworthy.

Thanks for the info on *modern* air pumps though Bob.

Cheers,
Paul.
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From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: 1984 Ford Bronco II (advice sought)..
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> Oil burning and leakage around valve covers and the rear
-> main seal are a problem with the 2.8.  If this motor has
-> 99K and isn't burning oil I'll eat my keyboard.

 I've had half a dozen Capris with the 2.6 and 2.8 and not only have
never had a leak, I've never even heard of anyone who had a leak.  The
V6 uses a one-piece rear main seal that works quite well.  The heads
have a very high valve cover rail and won't leak unless some goober
bends them all to hell when setting the valves.

 Ford's QC on the Ranger motors may be poorer than the German-built
Capris, though.  The Capris tend to soldier on until the valvetrain
packs it in (because Americans WON'T adjust solid lifter valvetrains)
or the cam gear goes.  Of course I once saw one with 5 out of 6 pistons
burned right through the tops when the guy's fuel solenoid didn't open
and his nitrous solenoid did...

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From: mclk@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Richard Pace)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: My Excel Squeals
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:18:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


I have a 1989 Hyundai Excel (standard 4 speed) that squeals loudly when I 
start it in the cold and also as I accelerate at low speeds.  I brought
it into the shop and they replaced a serpentine belt.  It didn't seem to 
help since it still squeals.  Any suggestions? 

Ric Pace
mclk@troi.cc.rochester.edu
From: murthy+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Sesh Murthy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Installing cruise
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:00:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C187ws.zM.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

I bought the 93 Bonneville without cruise, and I am regretting it.
I want to install a GM unit.  I really like the +/- 1 mph feature
on GM cruises. (Do they have a patent on this.)  The aftermarket
part does not have this feature.

Can I buy a unit from a junkyard and install it.  From which cars can 
I buy it.  (I doubt there are many junked 92 or 93 Bonnevilles.)
What parts should I take out.  I have access to a good junk
yard that has pretty much everything.

Thanks
Sesh Murthy
From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon F. Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Replacing the Timing Belts after 60K miles??
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:12:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan26.074048.23365@news.unomaha.edu> mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:
>> 	A friend hof mine has a Plymouth RS/Turbo (The same type of car as  
>> Eagle Talon Tsi and Mitsbishi Eclipse). He drove the car so hard that it  
>> reached its 60K line within 2.5 years. He was wondering whether he should  
>> go ahead and replace the timing belt as recommended in the operation  
>> manual, or wait as long as possible ?. 
>
>When (or if) it goes bad, replace it then.  It is a BIG chore, especially on
>front (or all)  wheel drive cars like this.  Most belts will live WELL beyond
>the 100k mark.  Mostly the belt fails because of the rubber decaying, not
>because of excessive miles.  If he is really worried about becoming stranded
>some day, then have him change it.  Otherwise, keep your money.

Hey if I did this, would you buy me a new head and valves ?
The pistons slamming into the valves _do_ tend to beat the shit out of them,
and the valves do the same to the head... 
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From: jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com (James Miller)
Subject: Re: How hot can an exhaust manifold get ?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:07:09 GMT
Reply-To: jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AWD; Austin, Texas

In message <C17nqE.EBK@newcastle.ac.uk>, Peter.Barrett@newcastle.ac.uk (Peter
Barrett) writes:
> A few years ago one of the UK motoring magazines published a photograph of
> a high-performance sports car (it might have been a Lotus Esprit Turbo, but
> I don't really remember) after a high-speed run. Not only the manifold, but
> also the whole turbocharger, was glowing a *bright* red.

My Dad told me that when he was a kid in St. Louis in the Twenties, he was
standing in a gas station when a hot-rodded model T Ford came screaming in the
driveway.  The driver jumped out just as the car came to a halt and started
yelling something about stopping his engine, which was plainly visible because
the covers weren't on (a hallmark of hot rods even then).  Dad said the whole
block was glowing red -- it couldn't be stopped because it was dieseling.
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From: Steve.Kaess@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Kaess)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: High curb idle
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:17:53 -0500

 >
 > 80 Pinto 4cyl 4sp no computer.
 >
 >
 >
 > In a effort to make my Pinto run smooth I replaced the
 > orig carb with a
 > Rochester 2bbl from a v8 chevy.  the old style 2bbl not
                         ^^^^^^^^^
 
 > the dual jet
 > model. The problem is that the engine seems to always be
 > on high idle.
 > Double checked for vacuum leaks and that the throttle blades
 
A 5.0-5.7 liter v/8 needs more fuel to run then a 2.3L pinto.
 
The carb has a small cutout in the throtle plate so that the engine 
always gets enough air/fuel lest it stall on decell, idel etc...
I think it is a safe guess that this is a problem that is better 
lived with unless ya wanna buy a nother carb--a 32-36 would be a 
nice one imho



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From: cs922193@ariel.yorku.ca (AMIT RAJA)
Subject: Re: HELP:  Can rear end noise be adjusted out?
Originator: cs922193@t07.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:06:18 GMT


> I have a 1983 Pontiac Trans Am am experiencing a "whining" sound coming from 
> the rear end.  I have already replaced the rear end TWICE in the past nine 
> months (used rear ends) due to their eventual failure after this whining sound
> started.  The noise is not bad yet, but I anticipate that the rear end will 
> have to be replaced in another 4 to 6 months.  Is there any adjustment that can
> be made in order to save this rear end before it gets any worse?  The mechanics
> I have talked to seem to think not, but I doubt their abilities.  Please help.

> Blaine Weddle
> bweddle@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu


 Yeah - get your wife outta the back seat. That should get rid of the 
 whining...
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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Opinions & Experiences with Suzuki Swift GTi ?
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:05:57 EST

While admittedly at the low end of the price scale,
I have the opportunity to purchase a 1989 Suzuki
Swift GTi with 47k miles. I will use it primarily,
if not exclusively, as a commuter car, to work
and errands usually less than 15 miles in a single
sitting. If you have,or had, any experience, comments,
etc with this type of car, I would appreciate hearing
them. To avoid tying up the bandwidth replies
directly to me would probably be appreciated by
non Suzook enthusiasts.
 
Greg Rickes
From: frankc@tgf.tc.faa.gov (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Dodge Caravan = Plymouth Voyager ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:27:12 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: offserv2.faa.gov
Summary: Are these virtually the same?
Keywords: minivans

Can anyone tell me exactly what the differences are between these
minivans?  Are the base prices and option packages identical and
prices likewise?

Also, if I buy the plymouth, can I get thr warranty prescribed
maintanence at a Dodge dealership, or vice versa?

Thanks in advance,

 
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From: sgupta@pint.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:03:02 GMT

In my Maserati's manual, they warn against washing the engine.  Something
about killing the knock sensor.

Sameer
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:43:15 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <IfLw32G00ioW8Ns6J6@andrew.cmu.edu> jyri+@CMU.EDU (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>Large engines tend to be sluggish and low revving, thus no fun at all 
>on a sports car.

	Yeah, like those 427's they used to put in Cobras, or the 454
in my old girlfriend's Chevelle SS, or those Corvette engines, or the
383 I had in my long-lamented Charger...  No fun at all, nope...

								wr
From: mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Catalytic converters & California
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:00:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory

Greetings!

  Here's a question I'm going to be dealing with soon.  I have a BMW
323i, purchased in Germany.  When we imported it to the US (to
Texas), it went to a shop where it was fitted with a catalyitic
converter, and had various other US-ifying stuff done to it to make
it legal.

  Now, I'm planning to move to the west coast (i.e. California)
sometime in the next year, and the car is going along.  The question
is this:  how much nastier are CA's emissions requirements, and is a
car that passed in TX likely to pass inspection in CA?  What's the
law concerning cars purchased out of state anyway?  If it doesn't
pass, how much is it going to cost me to have the catalyitic
converter replaced or upgraded?

Thanks!
--Mike
From: dwsmall@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Derek 'Enzo' Small)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock blues
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:26:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1993Jan25.102639.15247
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

>>>My question to you, especially if you own an SE-R or other
>>>Nissan with antilock brakes, is is this "normal"?
> 
>>Not just Nissan.  All ABS systems have the consequence of a "grinding."  I
>>found this very unremarkable the first time I used ABS; of course, that was
>>on snow-covered gravel, and a grinding noise would have happened anyway.  So
>>get used to it; you have a lot of very rapidly oscillating mechanical doo-
>>dads at work and some odd noise is to be expected.
> 
> I think at high speeds if it does kick in it is much smoother.
> Around 10mph the pulse information must be so slowthat things sound clunky.
> I would not call it "grinding" though.

I'm probably posting out of turn since this is two days old but I'm curious.
Every car I've driven that I've gotting int the ABS on has this characteristic.
I've never noticed a change in the action due to speed and can't see why
there should be one.  The high pressure systems that this occurs in use
the same pressure regardless of speed and it's the violent action of the 
very high pressure hydrolics that create it.  My question is I've heard 
that several manufactures where working to "fix" this problem, and several
claim they have.  Mazda tooted that the ABS on the second generation Rx-7
was and anti-kickback system.  But it's just a noisy and give just as much
pedel jutter as the rest of the systems I've driven.  Are there any systems
that have acctually gotten rid of this annoyance?


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email privs (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: BNR, Inc.

In article <1k6vtcINN9gi@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes: 
|> --The Z28 looks really sharp in black, judging from the photos in Car and
|>   Driver.  In red, I agree it does look like a giant Geo Storm.  However,
|>   the Camaro has become more than just a list of performance figures hiding
|>   an old, creaky car.  It now has a rigid chassis, good handling, good 
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks to GM ditching the structural adhesives approach (YEA!!!!)

|>   ergonomics (the rows of buttons in GM's cars now seem to be gone), and
|>   reasonable refinement.  The engine is amazing, and the performance 
|>   figures totally betray the price of the car. 0-60 in 5.3 sec, skidpad
|>   grip of 0.91 g, 60-0 braking in a very short distance.  I don't see ANY
|>   Japanese car costing less than $34,000 that offers this performance,
|>   and those that do, with the exception of the RX-7, are almost as large
|>   and heavy.
|> 
|>   In short, the new Camaro Z28 is a revelation for the affordable sports
|>   car market.  Japan will probably never be able to match it for the price.
|> 
|> --Aamir Qazi
|> 

Dont forget that there are extra ponies in that engine that are not being
tapped.  Aftermarket improvements in intake and exhaust are sure to coax
them out.  Simply bolting on a better flowing intake will unleash much of
the power.  The exhaust situation may be more challenging as the LT engine
requires dual exhausts with dual CATs to breath effectively.

Cool car, but the side mirror design needs some work.

$0.02

Ericy

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From: krothman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ken Rothman)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:34 GMT

zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet) writes:

>In article <krothman.727889636@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> krothman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ken Rothman) writes:
>>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>>>I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
>>>group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
>>>car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)
>>
>>My least favorite car these days has got to be the Chevy Caprice
>>(and the Buick Roadmaster and the Cadillac Fleetwood)
>>The design is just completely IRRESPONSIBLE.
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Funny, these are my favourites. To each his own.... but, how can
>you call these cars IRRESPONSIBLE (in capital letters?!)???? Is
>this some kind of dig at their fuel consumption? A trivial issue
>if there was ever one... but I think these things do better than
>a lot of the SUVs that are even more popular... CPV 

To me those cars sum up the concept of the generic "ugly American." (i'm not saying you're ugly, however)

With all the advances in aerodynamics and ergonomics in design in the past ten
years (mostly on the part of European and Japanese makers), this beast is an
unwelcome (imho) throwback.

They took the same underpinnings of the Caprice they'd been selling for 10+
years and put new sheetmetal on it.  I just picture Homer Simpson going
"Ooh... swoopy" at it.  Ok it's rounded, but there has to be some science
behind it.  It's just UGLY and if they had put an ounce of thought into it,
they probably could have come up with a beautiful car but they took the easy
way out.

Another example of this "ooh swoopy" mindset is the disgusting new Buick 
Skylark.  UGLY.

Futuristic is ok, but I guess I just like understated looks.

Ken
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:12:00 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir
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you want my opinion you've got it: acura integra.. in all model trims
has the worst chassis of just about any car that i've driven.  the
fact that it is so popular and so vastly overrated just seals its fate
for me.  

there.  that should start some wildfires... heh heh heh


eliot
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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:49:01 GMT

In article <kfNl0sm00Uzx450=0=@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>|> >Ken Rothman <krothman.727987654@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> writes:
>>|> >> With all the advances in aerodynamics and ergonomics in design in
>the pas
>>t ten
>>|> >> years (mostly on the part of European and Japanese makers), this
>beast is
>> an
>>|> >         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I would call the latter half of this patently false. Can you point to a
>single Japanese design before, say, '89 model year that was particularly
>original or advanced w/ respect to aerodynamics (real or affected)?
>Hell, until this year Camrys (Toyota's bread and butter) were boxes that


Are you forgetting the Toyota Celica, like it or not, it came out
in I believe late 89(90 model) and is very aerodynamic looking.

john


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