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From: calum@ivy.clu.cf.ac.uk (Calum Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Swansea vs Australia report
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:23:28 GMT
Reply-To: Calum Gordon <calum@clu.cf.ac.uk>
Organization: Computational Linguistics Unit, Univ of Wales College of Cardiff
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In article <1992Nov5.124342.15531@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> lano@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Lee Nowell) writes:

>  They said that about Scotland!!! Wales had a great game here and started to
>  show what they are really made of.

If I recall it wasn't exactly by a convincing margin and was aided by
a disallowed Tukalo try and several "unusual" decisions by the ref
when Scotland looked like scoring near the end. However, I'm sure
these wrongs will be righted at "newlook" Murrayfield in the Spring!

BTW, Scotland were comprehensively beaten in both Tests against the
Ozzies this summer, not a fact I'm proud of, just a reminder to Welsh
fans not to get too carried away by a couple of wins.

by a Scot abroad.
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From: davep@presto.uk.sun.com (Dave Powell - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Swansea vs Australia report
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:33:19 GMT
Reply-To: davep@presto.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Having only seen very brief highlights of this game (what it is to be Welsh and
stuck in England at such times!) it seemed to me that the Swansea victory will at
least be a big psychological boost to Welsh rugby, even though there is a big
difference between a midweek touring side and the side that will play against the
full Welsh team.

having gone through a very poor period in recent years what Welsh rugby needs most
of all is confidence - we have a lot of good young players in the national side who
need both experience at international level and the experience of not being beaten
by a demoralising scoreline!

Gordon Calum says that:

> The teams are essentially the same as in the World Cup game and Wales
> certainly haven't improved much since then, and remember what happened?

I would have to disagree. While Wales definitely have a long way to go, there has been
a big improvement in attitude and desire to win since the world cup. Also, the fact
that the management team are consistent in their selection has helped the team to
settle down to the task in hand.

No one expect Wales to beat Australia, who are far and away the best side in the
world at the moment (IMHO, anyway) but lets not damage the chances of a Welsh
improvement by assuming they will always get beaten. They are a young side and that is 
in their favour - look at the age of most of the England players and ask if they will
still be playing in the 1995 world cup? Wales at least have a better chance of 
going there with a side that has played together for a few years, rather than having to
chop and change when people retire.

Dave Powell <david.powell@uk.sun.com>
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From: naicg@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: RFL result and news
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:52:49 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Something of a shock result last night:
Championship,Division One

Leigh 11 (Try: S.Pugsley; Goals: J.Woods(3); DropGoal: A.Ruane)
St.Helens 6 (Try: J.Griffiths; Goal: B.Dwyer)

Bottom placed Leigh recorded their first league win of the season 
against a St.Helens team that was seeking a win by enough points to 
take them back to the top of the division. Leigh apparently played into 
the wind in the first half, and had most of the play although they trailed 
2-0 at the break. Stuart Pugsley's try and two goals from John Woods gave 
the home side an 8-2 lead, before Jonathan Griffiths brought Saints to 
within two points. A drop goal from Andy Ruane seven minutes from time, 
and Woods' third goal in injury time sealed the game.

Leigh's new coach Steve Simms takes charge today, after watching last 
night's match. 

News:
Jonathan Davies will be out of action until the New Year after undergoing 
surgery on the groin injury that kept him out of the tour this summer. He 
will miss two internationals for Wales, against England at Swansea on 27th 
November and away in France on 13th December.
The French beat the CIS by 38 points to 4 in an international yesterday.

Coming up:
Widnes play Wigan tomorrow night, with both sides likely to be missing players. 
In addition to Davies, John Devereux will be missing if he is suspended by 
the disciplinary committee today, along with (I presume) Tony Myler. Wigan 
will be without Andy Platt, and may also have Martin Dermott, Denis Betts 
and Martin Crompton unavailable.
The top match on Sunday is Salford(4th) against St.Helens(3rd). Saints 
won 48-8 in the home match, and beat Salford 18-5 in the Lancs Cup semi, 
also at home. Saints have lost 3 of their last 5 games after starting the 
season with 10 straight wins.

Back on Monday

Ian
From: hol@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Belgium
Keywords: Results
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:27:25 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

Is there someone who can tell me the result of the match between Belgium and
Morocco from last Sunday?
From: calum@ivy.clu.cf.ac.uk (Calum Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Swansea v Australia report
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: Calum Gordon <calum@clu.cf.ac.uk>
Organization: Computational Linguistics Unit, Univ of Wales College of Cardiff
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Congrats to Swansea on beating world champs Australia yesterday. The
Wallabies had a few full Test players in the team but really fell into
Swansea's hands on a dull,misty & wet S.Wales afternoon. They looked a
bit disorientated in the mud and passion on the field. This was not a
game for swift passing moves and counter-attack. The Swansea forwards
seemed to dominate most parts of the proceedings. It's tough
being the world champs coz' everyone wants to beat you. However, I
fully expect Australia to comfortably beat Wales on the 21st. The
teams are essentially the same as in the World Cup game and Wales
certainly haven't improved much since then, and remember what happened?
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:46:48 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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A very evenly matched game with a full test side from SA, even though they
were shown as SA XV.  I haven't had a chance to note any aspects of the 
game but will add a few thoughts after watching the highlights.  For some
reason we only had highlights (although the whole Midlands game was shown :-()
but that was better than nothing.  

England B certainly played a hard game and so too did the SAn's and it was
a fantastic game to watch.  Gerber still manages to play as though he his ten
years younger and Botha had another useful game, even if he didn't release
his backs at every opportunity.  Barnes also had a very good game at fly-half 
and is afraid to attack the opposition.  Clarke also had a good game and linked
in well with the backs.  On the wings Tony Underwood went over for a last minute
try in the usual Underwood style, putting the ball down just before hitting
the corner flag.  On the other wing, Heslop, had another bad game, isn't it
about time we left him out of it?  At one stage there was a SA attack down the
left which broke down near the Eng 22, England countered and Clarke fed 
Heslop.  Heslop is at full pace down the right wing when he is beautifully
tackled by Strauss, the flanker, but why didn't Heslop kick ahead?  Another
incident had SA attacking down the left wing when the SA winger shrugged of
Heslop and left him tackling thin air.  Gerber exchanged passes with the
winger before going over for a try.

Hunter also scored a try after taking a pass some 15m out and going through
several tackles before reaching the line, Gerber missing one of them. 

One point I would like to add is that the SA jumpers in the line are still
getting quite a lot of assistance in the air, defying the laws of gravity.
One of Botha's drop-goals came from such a lineout.  Not sourgrapes just
a wee point :-).  I can't see the SA pack changing for the England test
and they have three good centres to choose from.  The backrow played very
well and looked a lot more mobile.

Just a few thoughts.

Cheers,
Graham
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: SA -v- England on TV in France??
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:00:21 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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Joseph C. Grant K8/IVA3 Tel. ++49-7121-35-2981 (grant@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de) wrote:
>
>	Is there a reader of this group in France who would be so kind
>as to check your TV timetable and tell me if France 2 is showing the
>SA -v- England game on saturday? I'd rather not travel all the way to
>Strasbourg only to find they won't be showing it. 
>

I don't know the answer but would add that France play Argentina at Nantes
on Saturday, I would expect them to show that match, but I don't know for sure.

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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:01:47 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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 (pete@vscn18.nohost.nodomain) wrote:
>
> By the way Barnes is not a good looking West country boy, he is in fact
>a good looking Welsh boy. He has played over a dozen games for Wales at 
>scoolboy level, most of them being as captain and briefly replaced JPR in the 
> Welsh squad before being inticed to England. A shame for Wales and for Barnes.
>

I had forgotten, it seems as though he has been in the England camp for a
long time.  Mind you, it is easy to get confused with international players,
I can think of many who have moved around at 'B' level in Britain; Moon 
and Copsey being recent.  Others could be playing for the country of their
choice, Halliday is more Scottish than some of the Scottish team, Sean
Lineen and Jamie Salmon both come from NZ, and then there's Morris ...

I would have thought that when Barnes was a schoolboy in Wales there were
a few other flyhalfs around who weren't too bad.

Cheers,
Graham

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From: cjp@aber.ac.uk (C J Price)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Neath v Australia
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:07:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., UCW Aberystwyth

An Australian side with less internationalsfirst team players than
that fielded against Swansea last Wednesday beat Neath (4th best side
in Wales on current form) by 16 points to 8.

One try each, more points kicked by Australia who dominated the second
half. Still, they don't look the same without Campo, Lyner and the
Jones boy.

Oh yes, Andrew Manning writes about Oz/NZ:

>I think that it was obvious to any intelligent observer that the
>two sides are incredibly evenly matched.

Doers "intelligent" here mean "New Zealand". I felt that the
full strength Australians were worthy winners of the series. 
They didn't even need to break people's noses to do it....


Chris Price
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From: amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning)
Subject: Re: Swansea vs Australia report
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:29:29 GMT

In article <13793@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> davep@presto.uk.sun.com writes:
>
>No one expect Wales to beat Australia, who are far and away the best side in the
>world at the moment (IMHO, anyway) but lets not damage the chances of a Welsh

Bullshit! You are just saying that because you know the Ozzies are going to
kick your butts. Might I remind you that the All Blacks very recently beat
the full strength Ozzies. And I'm not one to hide the fact that they won
the series 2-1 (winning their games by one, and two point margins),
however, I think that it was obvious to any intelligent observer that the
two sides are incredibly evenly matched. So your HO is quite simply
ludicrous.

Andrew M.

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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: England Team News (Underwoods)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:19:11 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

News yesterday was that Ian Hunter has injured his leg playing a kick-about
game of football (soccer) and is out of Saturday's match.  Tony Underwood
is in to replace him.

So, we have two Underwoods, one on each wing, to face the SA's and although
I would have liked to see Hunter playing Tony is just as capable of scoring.

So, the team now looks like this:

England team for South Africa Test 14th Nov

Webb (Bath)			
Underwood, T (Leicester)
Underwood, R (Leicester)
Carling (Harlequins)	
Guscott (Bath)		
Andrew (Toulouse)	
Morris (Orrell) 	

Leonard (Harlequins)
Ubogu (Bath)
Moore (Harlequins)
Bayfield (Northampton)
Dooley (Preston Grasshoppers)
Winterbottom (Harlequins)
Clarke (Bath)
Teague (Mosely)

So, my earlier mistake in the team turned out to be a premonition and Tony
plays after all :-).

Cheers,
Graham

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: peavy@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (PEAVY ROBERT MARSHAL)
Subject: Ireland V Australia
Keywords: Nothing
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: cu
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:27:33 GMT
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: South Africa and Australia Tour match results
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:09:57 GMT

In article <13813@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> davep@presto.uk.sun.com writes:
>
>In an enthralling and exciting running game England B pushed South Africa right to the
>end of the game, and gave the England selectors a hard time when picking their test

Not to be picky,and I thank you for your posting efforts.But can you
post so that it is easier to read.

>From an Australian point of view I am sure they will have been glad to here that
>Michael Lynagh shoul be available for the test, but they looked comfortable enough,
>though at no stage did they look unbeatable.

From a newspaper report on Sunday Nov 8.....
Lynagh will be unable to play for 3 months and hopes to play with his
Italian connection in early March.
However,Lynaghs' operation was sucessful and he will rejoin the touring party
this week.Lynagh is grateful that the Welsh Rugby Union will pick up the
tab for his return and is pleased that the Australian Rugby Union paid
for his return to Australia.
Lynagh is expected to aid in the coaching,selection and the onerous task of
dealing with the press.

On another note.....
According to a report on a reputable radio station,Nick Farr Jones said
that he would make a return to international rugby if the wheels fell
off the Australian cart.He said that he didn't think this would happen,
but was willing to return if necessary.

Sounds like the ever retiring Simon Poidevan.

Aus plays Neath tonight,anybody willing to post a report ? Please ?


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From: calum@ivy.clu.cf.ac.uk (Calum Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:53:36 GMT
Reply-To: Calum Gordon <calum@clu.cf.ac.uk>
Organization: Computational Linguistics Unit, Univ of Wales College of Cardiff
Posting-Software: GNUS: NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs

In article <BxGpI0.GxC@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:

>  tackled by Strauss, the flanker, but why didn't Heslop kick ahead?  Another
>  incident had SA attacking down the left wing when the SA winger shrugged of
>  Heslop and left him tackling thin air.  Gerber exchanged passes with the
>  winger before going over for a try.

Yes Heslop played a 'mare. Can't understand why England still favour
him after France last year. BTW, it was the winger (D'Olivia or
something?) who exchanged passes with Gerber before going over for a
try. Gerber didn't manage to maintain his try-a-game record.
Just a small point ...
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From: davep@presto.uk.sun.com (Dave Powell - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: South Africa and Australia Tour match results
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:11:32 GMT
Reply-To: davep@presto.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In the two tour games played in the UK this weekend the results were:

England B 16  South Africa 20 (or may be 21?)

In an enthralling and exciting running game England B pushed South Africa right to the
end of the game, and gave the England selectors a hard time when picking their test
side for next week. Hunters try gave him a position on the wing in the full England
side for the test - though he played at full back on Saturday. Tony Underwood missed
out on a full test place despite his try a couple of minutes from time. 

It was a game which showed a big improvement in the South Africa performance (there
was one superb try by Olivier (I think thats right) which included some excellent 
running and handling. It sets the scene very nicely for the full test, which should be
quite a game if this one is anything to go by.


Wales B 11  Australia 24

In a game which looked (from the brief highlights on Rugby Special anyway) to have 
been won quite comfortably by Australia, there were a lot of good points from the 
Welsh perspective. They were outplayed at the lineouts (this is a real problem area
for Wales at the moment) but their scrum was very solid and their second phase play
looked pretty good. Their backs looked pretty good in defence, with some solid
tackling and Mike Hall in particular impressed in attack, with some good running. I 
would think the selectors will still have some problems in deciding who should take
the outside half position in the full test, as there are no obvious candidates and
Colin Stephens, while playing solidly enough did not show a great deal of flair.
From an Australian point of view I am sure they will have been glad to here that
Michael Lynagh shoul be available for the test, but they looked comfortable enough,
though at no stage did they look unbeatable.

Since I only saw higlghlights of the two games - and the highlights of the latter
game were particularly brief - if anyone has more details please let me know!


Dave Powell
david.powell@uk.sun.com
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:07:35 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Moi (grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com) wrote:
>
>his backs at every opportunity.  Barnes also had a very good game at fly-half 
>and is afraid to attack the opposition.  Clarke also had a good game and linked
        ^
 The word 'not' should be inserted there.  Barnes is a good looking West
 Country boy so isn't afraid to have a few more teeth knocked out ;-).

I was reading in yesterdays paper some reasoning as to why Rob Andrew should
keep his place, even though it is recognized that Barnes is very close, IMHO
he should be there.  Rob Andrew seems to get the place based on the fact that 
he has a good track record in the big games, in the last couple of years at
least.  It also said he is a good tackler and tactical kicker.  IMHO, so to
is Barnes but I think he would be more problems to the SA backrow.

Cheers,
Graham

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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: England Team News (Underwoods)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:54:31 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

England's training session has been concentrating on combating some
Springbok plays such as line-out lifting, going over the ball and 
standing offside (source: today's Independent).  

This has been quite obvious with Hattingh (sp?) showing that even a
large man like himself can hang around in mid-air for some time.  Playing
the ball on the ground has been more obvious at the Division games than
the Eng B game, with players on their knees or the tackled player attempting
to push the ball back or feed it to players.  The new laws must be used
to prevent the bodies piling up and keep players on their feet.

The ref for tomorrow is Stephen Hilditch, so a lot will depend on him.  I can't
remember what matches he has ref'ed so can't comment on him.

Hopefully, the backs (on both sides) will see plenty of the ball and there
will be some very interesting contests I am sure.  

Cheers,
Graham
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From: grant@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Joseph C. Grant K8/IVA3 Tel. ++49-7121-35-2981)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: SA -v- England on TV in France??
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:15:28 GMT
Reply-To: grant@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de
Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany.

Hi,

	Is there a reader of this group in France who would be so kind
as to check your TV timetable and tell me if France 2 is showing the
SA -v- England game on saturday? I'd rather not travel all the way to
Strasbourg only to find they won't be showing it. 

Thanks,

	Joe.


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From: faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong)
Subject: Re: WTA Women's Money Leaders: November 8th
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:49:04 GMT

In article <gate.as6ZTB1w165w@knex.Gwinnett.COM> gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM writes:
>WOMEN'S TENNIS LEADING MONEY WINNERS 
>       (THROUGH NOVEMBER 8TH)
> 
>10. Larisa Savchenko        $366,602
>
Who is she?? I didn't find her name in the top 50.

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