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From: dbuck@alfred.carleton.ca (Dave Buck)
Subject: Re: POV vs Autodesk 3D studio
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:49:29 GMT

In article <10DEC199213033579@zeus.tamu.edu> jew5001@zeus.tamu.edu (WILLIAMSON, JOHN EDWARD) writes:
>I have seen several utilities that allow you to convert
>drawings from Autodesk 3D Studio to POV.
>
>Do people do this because POV is a better renderer?
>What is the max resolution in 3D studio?  (I think POV will do
>2K by 2K)
>

Actually, the theoretical maximum size for POV-Ray is 32767x32767.
I'm sure nobody has pushed it that high


David Buck
dbuck@ccs.carleton.ca

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Newsgroups: alt.3d,comp.multimedia
From: liesche@milton.u.washington.edu (Jochen Liesche)
Subject: Re: How do I incorporate sound into my animation?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:59:06 GMT


Xref: sparky alt.3d:1679 alt.cad:465 comp.graphics.visualization:1933 comp.graphics:13054 comp.misc:4641 sci.engr.civil:589 sci.geo.geology:2591 sci.misc:1903
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.cad,comp.graphics.visualization,comp.graphics,comp.misc,sci.engr.civil,sci.geo.geology,sci.misc
Subject: Software to Make Realistic Looking 3-D Landscapes From Topographic Data
Summary: PC software, that is.
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:19:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)


Hello,

As the title says, I am looking for any information you have on available
PC software for taking digital topographic (elevation) data, and possibly
other landform data, and rendering realistic 3-D images from it.  I'd like
to be able to rotate the image (looking at it from various angles and
perspectives), take slices, zoom in close, etc.  Of course, solids modeling
is a must - I don't want a package that just shows me a "stick" drawing - the
image should look realistic, as if you're actually flying over it.  And of
course, I'd prefer that the package be able to handle large, high resolution
topographic databases, such as 1000x1000 points or even larger, and support
high resolution graphics, such as SVGA.

So if you know of any software that does this, or if you could steer me in
the right direction, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Much thanks.

Jon Noring


-- 

Charter Member of the INFJ Club.

Now, if you're just dying to know what INFJ stands for, be brave, e-mail me,
and I'll send you some information.  It WILL be worth the inquiry, I think.

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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: dbarberi@mothra.syr.EDU (London W11)
Subject: Re: Mindimages Stereogram Creator for PC
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:51:31 EST


   I've taken the liberty of putting mindimg.zip on the sunsite.unc.edu
FTP site.  The path is:
  /pub/academic/computer-science/virtual-reality/3d/stereograms/mindimg.zip

 -- David Barberi
 -- dbarberi@sunsite.unc.edu  dbarberi@mailbox.syr.edu

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: cwm@Turing.ORG (Chris W. Morris)
Subject: Morphing in 3d Studio!?!?
Keywords: 3d, 3d studio, morph
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:20:11 GMT

 Will someone advise me on how to morph from one object to another, even 
a cube to a sphere... I have tried several times, with little success.
Any help would be most gratefully appreciated!

Thanks for your time and interest,
Chris W. Morris
 
-- 
/----\     cwm@Turing.org        * "One must pass through the circumference
|\/\/      Chris W. Morris       *  of time before arriving at the center of 
|/\/\     2204 Wayne Avenue      *  opportunity." - Baltasar Graci'an 
\----/ Charlottesville, VA 22901 *  The future lies ahead. -Political Promise
From: johnk@cs.utexas.edu (John Knutson)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: VOGL and (Turbo) C++
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:16:02 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: latexo.cs.utexas.edu


I've been trying to use VOGL in a C++ package I'm writing, but have
been having a few difficulties...

The first stumbling block was that the VOGL header files used K&R
style prototypes and not ANSI.. But that was a simple matter to fix
(or, it seemed to be).

The second stumbling block came when Turbo C++ decided that it wasn't
going to pass parameters to the VOGL library routines properly. (In
this case, I'm using member functions of a class to define the bounds
in a call to ortho().. Even after I changed the paramters to the
ortho() call to constant floats, the parameters that ortho() got were
*nothing* like what had been passed).

So, I tried using a function of my own, in a C file (as opposed to
CPP), for which I supplied the prototype in an include file for the
C++ code.  So, thinking that would work, I compiled the mess, and what
do you know, the linker says that the function I defined in that C
file is undefined.  This is both the IDE linker and the command line
linker.


If *anyone* out there has a C++ program that uses VOGL *and* will
compile and run under Turbo C++, please, please send it to me.  Or
give me some tips, or something...

Thanks....

-- 
John Knutson (johnk@cs.utexas.edu)
	"A lot of people I know believe in positive thinking, and so
	 do I.  I believe everything positively stinks."
		-- Lew Col
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: taudas@ais.org (Tony Audas)
Subject: Re: Where can I find some 3-D letters for raytracing?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:15:10 GMT


look on ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de for 3d fonts for povray and vivid.
Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.cad,comp.graphics.visualization,comp.graphics,comp.misc,sci.engr.civil,sci.geo.geology,sci.misc
From: fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Fippen)
Subject: Re: Software to Make Realistic Looking 3-D Landscapes From Topographic Data
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:49:41 GMT

noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:


>Hello,

>As the title says, I am looking for any information you have on available
>PC software for taking digital topographic (elevation) data, and possibly
>other landform data, and rendering realistic 3-D images from it.  I'd like
>to be able to rotate the image (looking at it from various angles and
>perspectives), take slices, zoom in close, etc.  Of course, solids modeling
>is a must - I don't want a package that just shows me a "stick" drawing - the
>image should look realistic, as if you're actually flying over it.  And of
>course, I'd prefer that the package be able to handle large, high resolution
>topographic databases, such as 1000x1000 points or even larger, and support
>high resolution graphics, such as SVGA.

>So if you know of any software that does this, or if you could steer me in
>the right direction, I'd greatly appreciate it.

>Much thanks.

>Jon Noring


>-- 

>Charter Member of the INFJ Club.

>Now, if you're just dying to know what INFJ stands for, be brave, e-mail me,
>and I'll send you some information.  It WILL be worth the inquiry, I think.

>=============================================================================
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>| JKN International   | IP    : 192.100.81.100   | Support UNITED WE STAND! |
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: SCCTM on TNT tonight
Organization: none
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:10:01 GMT

In article <schmata.724133814@camelot> schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein) writes:
>The pain, the pain... As the header states, TNT is showing Santa Claus Conquers
>the Martians. DEEEEEEP HURRRTING... DEEEEEEEP HURRRRRRTING!! To make matters 
>worse, no sign of Joel or the 'Bots, and this turd of a movie has given me such
>a migraine that I can't remember any of the clever sayings from the MST treat-
>ment! Wah-ha-ha-haaaaa... =(
>
>tv's wisecracking peter
>
>"HA HA HA HA!" "Sorry." -SCCTM
>
>
>--
>you suck
^^^^^^^^^^ Do we need this sort of infighting here? I think not.

Hey, I watched this a million times long before the Bots were a glimmer in
Joel's brain. It was my favorite X-mas movie when I was a teen.

If you think it is so bad, I dare you to find the remake/ripoff "Santa Claus
Vs. The Aliens". then you will understnad how bad it could have been!!!

No, I am not kidding. I rented it from a local vid-hole for .50 cents!
The pain!
Pax
					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Cast Photo Pictures on Gopher
From: jenkins@local.host (Lisa Jenkins)
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:47:08 -0600
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

Okay, everybody.  I'm doing this guy a favor, see.  So any follow-ups should
be credited to this other guy, see.  So don't thank me for it!  }B-D

Forwarded message:
From me@servo.hs.jhu.edu Fri Dec 11 14:44:03 1992
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:31:11 -0500
From: me@servo.hs.jhu.edu (Jeremy Kargon)
To: jenkins
Subject: MST3K Cast Photo Pictures on Gopher

Sorry to bother you, Lisa, I thought you might be so kind as to post
this on alt.tv.mst3k -- my newsfeed is read-only...

Thanks!

****

I just got my big load of goodies from Best Brains, and so I've added
the two cast photos to our Gopherserver -- anybody with GIF-aware
gopher clients (NeXT & Xgopher) can burrow over and take a peek.  Try
[gopher.hs.jhu.edu, port 70] and bop over to ~/GrabBag/Image/MST3K.

"Just like being on the SOL!"

If you're image-file challenged, or else don't have a clue what
"gopher" is, I can put GIF or TIFF image files available for
anonymous ftp -- drop me a line, so I can gage demand...

*Desktop MovieSign* Daemon,
Jeremy Kargon

jeremy@servo.hs.jhu.edu

The following is *my* new .sig.


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: annie@ultra.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: A short, shameful confession (was Re: SCCTM on TNT tonight)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:36:05 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

|> >>> Has anybody else on the net met someone famous?  And what DOES James T
|> >>> Kirk's middle inital stand for, anyway?
|> >>
|> >>James Tiberius Kirk
|> >
|> >	Except, of course, that Kirk's middle initial was 'R' (as seen in the
|> >pilot in which he first appeared, "Where no man has gone before"). 
|> >

Everywhere else except that pilot it was James T Kirk - and in
one of the movies (don't remember which) the Tiberius was mentioned.

If you're really interested, hop on over to the rec.arts.startrek.*
groups - about a month ago there were about 1000 appends on this.

-- 
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: A short, shameful confession (was Re: SCCTM on TNT tonight)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:46:54 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <loki03503921116173747@orthanc.freeside.com> loki@orthanc.freeside.com (Biggles) writes:
>George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
:>
:> In article <cuHRVB1w165w@seanews.akita.com> scot@seanews.akita.com (Scot Kelly) writes:
:> >> Has anybody else on the net met someone famous?  And what DOES James T
:> >> Kirk's middle inital stand for, anyway?
:> >
:> >James Tiberius Kirk
:> 
:>       Except, of course, that Kirk's middle initial was 'R' (as seen in the
:> pilot in which he first appeared, "Where no man has gone before"). 
:> 
:Yeah, but let us not forget that the Kirk in the first epsiode was not
:William Shatner.  It was some other person who's name escapes me, but he
:was quickly replaced by Shatner.

The episode you are thinking of is "The Cage", and the Captain's name in
that one was Christopher Pike (not Kirk).  It's also the only episode in
which Spock smiles (a strange symptom probably caused by the vibrating
plant that made musical notes that he deiscoverd).  

Anyway, this pilot was rejected by NBC (?) because it was too "brainy".

I'm surprised I've never heard a comment from the 'Bots on "the Spock
thingy" listed above.

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	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth



Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar)
Subject: Re: A short, shameful confession (was Re: SCCTM on TNT tonight)
Summary: I am filled with shame.
Keywords: Ours is a proper love.
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:30:03 GMT

donnell@morayeel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>In article <cuHRVB1w165w@seanews.akita.com> scot@seanews.akita.com (Scot Kelly) writes:
>>> Has anybody else on the net met someone famous?  And what DOES James T
>>> Kirk's middle inital stand for, anyway?
>>
>>James Tiberius Kirk
>
>Define famous? I have met Roger Miller, shari Lewis and Lambchop, Lou Rawls,
>and some others. are they famous enough?

I am filled with shame.  I should've known better than to try the old
alt.folklore.urban tricks on alt.tv.mst3k.  I was thinking everyone would
ignore me as usual.  Think about it, won't you?  Well let's not do THAT
again...

But, to answer your question Judex -- yes, no and yes, yes, and maybe.

USENET's "A planet where urban legends evolved from man?" Chuck

-- 
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		    -- Mystery Science Theater 3000
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: A short, shameful confession (was Re: SCCTM on TNT tonight)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:35:25 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd -- Now Appearing Nightly With DON HO
	<1992Dec15.032219.24050@samba.oit.unc.edu>


George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:

>> Has anybody else on the net met someone famous?  And what DOES James T
>> Kirk's middle inital stand for, anyway?
>
>James Tiberius Kirk

George> Except, of course, that Kirk's middle initial was 'R'
George> (as seen in the pilot in which he first appeared, "Where no
George> man has gone before").

Yes, it was 'R' in that pilot, but the millions of times it's been
referred to in the rest of the series and the movies shows it as 'T'.
Can we drop this now?

(Chuck, why oh why didn't you put a smiley in your original post? :-)


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: A short, shameful confession (was Re: SCCTM on TNT tonight)
From: jenkins@local.host (Lisa Jenkins)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:26:43 -0600
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
 <1992Dec13.090509.25120@athena.cs.uga.edu>,<1992Dec14.111447.12870@athena.mit.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <1992Dec13.090509.25120@athena.cs.uga.edu>
jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar) writes:

>Has anybody else on the net met someone famous?

Does Joel Hodgson count?



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From: franklir@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ryan J Franklin )
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Ok....Who do you love?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:41:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <Dec.10.17.07.58.1992.11772@dropout.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>Top 10 reason to vote for Tom Servo:
....
><<music: Patrick Swayze Christmas>>
          ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
>Tom Servo rules!

Ha!  Gotcha on that one, pink boy!  Don't you find it ironic that you have to
use Crow T. Robot's awardwinning composition while voting for Tom?  Are you
living a lie?  

The shame of it all.....

(Yet another reason why I stand by my vote for the SoL's golden boy.  If I must
only vote for one, then Crow's the 'Bot for me.  Sorry Dr. F, sorry Tom, sorry
Joel and Gypsy, as much as I love you all, Crow's the king.  Huzzah!)

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                                             _        _
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Member numbers
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:47:26 GMT

For those who have no member number... 

Deal With It, Pasty Boy!  I've got mine... !

Seriously, folks, every piece of mail I get
from BB has my number on it.  BTW, I'm
number 5803... anyone on the net got a
lower number?  Just curious to know who
the senior net Misty is.



************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Polyester
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:28:45 GMT
Organization: Information Builders, Inc.


Hi....


     One of my co-workers 'claims' to of played one of the main
characters in 'Polyester'. seeing as how this movie is so MiSTieable,
I figured if what he says is true, I am good friends with a potential
MST Movie Star.

				John
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: south bay area mst'ers?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:04:03
Distribution: ca


Any of ya'll in the south bay (Mountain View) area?  I've only
recently been able to *tape* the damn show, but I'm willing to help
tape/trade tapes.  I'm currently "mastering" in SP on one deck,
editing out commericals down to EP on a second.  I've got a pair of
S-VHS decks I'm doing this on (and might try taping something in S-VHS
just to check the editing quality).

I might be up for watching-parties as well...  (my 27" trinitron
needs to get more exercise. :-)
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWMOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
From: quadel@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Crow T. Robot
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:30:58 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: quadel@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

I believe that Crow shares his middle name with James Tiberius Kirk.
Rationale:  There was a scene in Fire Maidens where Servo makes a comment
about the set being from Star Trek. Crow proceeds to do a dead-on Shatner
impersonation ("Spock...Spock") that had me rolling.  It seems fitting that
they would have the same middle name.

LQ
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar)
Subject: Re: Johnny at the Fair
Summary: oops, sorry dad!
Keywords: shut up shut up shut up shut up!!!
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:51:25 GMT

ecz5bxw@mvs.oac.ucla.edu writes:
>briano@microsoft.com (Brian Overland) writes:
>>Laugh for laugh, minute for minute, about the most I have EVER enjoyed MST3K
>>was during "Johnny at the Fair." I laughed so hard and so long it's a good
>>thing I taped it--I missed some of the lines the first time, while I was
>>laughing. Absolutely one of the best shorts they've ever done, ranking
>>right up there with "Posture Pals." Anyone agree?

Anyone?  Anyone?  Well, I didn't like it quite as much as "MR B Natural"
or "Home Economics," but it was pretty good; I liked it better than the
experiment.

>>  "Johnny distracts the tight-rope artists, sending them to certain doom."
>>  "For the first time in his life, Johnny knows real fear." (after the
>>        "irresponsible act" of apparently putting him in a hydroplane)
>>  "Johnny's boat disintegrates on impact."

My favorite line was "Oops, sorry dad!"  I'm sure everyone saw it coming
from a mile away, but it still made me laugh.  I guess I'm all messed up
inside.  If only an androgynous man would come visit me....

>Priceless.  The one thing missing from "The Rebel Set" was that the
>"I sing whenever I sing whenever I sing" guy didn't (sing).

I know.  What a disappointment.  This guy had real talent.  SHUT UP SHUT
UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!  They could've made a lot more comments to this, but
I guess they were afraid people who'd missed Gila Monster wouldn't get it.
(I would just say they weren't the right people.)

USENET's Chuck

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