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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:36:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.212543.1269@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) writes:
>	The Senators and Sharks wins are due more to their strategies for
>	building their teams than anything else.  The Sharks could have

Ottawa myth #1...that the Senators are younger than the Lightning...
and just think where the Senators would be if Glen Sather wasn't willing
to prove a point and set Norm MacIver free.

>	kept Mullen, Presley, McGill, Fenton ,etc, etc and be winning
>	more games than last year.  (ok not a lot more but definitely
>	more ) But then the younger guys, who will be the future,
>	wouldn't get the experience they need to build
>	a future winning franchise.  You have to build through
>	the Entry Draft (mainly), and that takes time.  Falloon
>	Whitney and Ozolinsh from the 1991 draft are now playing.
>	We won't start getting any of our 1992 draftees until next
>	year at the earliest.  Just no way to win many games now and
>	also build for the future.
>

Gerald
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Even More Expansion Stuff
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:50:09 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1992Dec11.185948.14459@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1gaij6INNg56@keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>>Cons:
>>	not enough talent 
>
>Almost every team in the NHL is currently carrying 25 players in fear
>of putting anyone on non-recallable waivers...there is plenty of
>talent...plus there are lots of Theoren Fleuries in Canada who can play
>but whom the NHL considers too small.

I'm not sure of what "extra" players other teams have but the regular
"press box" line for Vancouver would include superstars such as:
	Tom Fergus
	Robert Kron
	Garry Valk
hmm sounds like the makings of a bad expansion team.

Just my thoughts,
Tony
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From: yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang)
Subject: Re: Lowe's first Ranger game (WAS: Re: Kevin Lowe TRADED!)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:10:22 GMT
Organization: University of Calgary
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey

In article <1992Dec16.141717.27370@philabs.philips.com>,
jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) wrote:
> 
> In article <BzCC20.JHv@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak) writes:
> >Just found that Kevin Lowe was in the NY Rangers tonight at the Sport
> >news, but they lost 3-0 to Calgary Flames. Anyone who watch the whole
> >game? How's Lowe doing?
> 
> Non-stellar start for Lowe.... two minor penalties, but he looked like
> he was in decent physical shape.  He didn't stand out on defense at all
> to me-- I can't even remember who he was teamed with.

Lowe got nailed for holding the stick. I hope he realizes the ref's will
call this penalty or he will be called for it alot! I think Lowe was paired
with James Patrick.

> 
> Best set of non-calls in the game:  Lowe was in the box for tripping or
> something.  On a line change, the Flames inadvertantly sent six skaters
> on the ice, until Theo Fleury realized it and jumped of a couple of
> seconds later (blown call #1).  Then, immediately following that, the

Fleury shot the puck in and was going for a line change. As he got to the
bench, he saw the puck coming to him. It looked to me like he thought about
going for the puck and then realized that he was the 6th player on the ice
and let the puck go through his legs. Of course, by doing this, it set
Turcotte free. Was it a blown call? I thought a change could be made if the
incoming player was withing 10 feet?? of the bench. 

> Rangers sent Darren Turcotte in on a semi-breakaway, where a Flames
> defenseman (I think it was Godynuk) dove and tried to knock the stick
> off Turcotte's stick.  He missed, and ended up tripping up Turcotte,
> who went flying into the goal (blown call #2).  Turcotte saw that

The Flames telecast (Wailing Ed and John Garrett) thought that Godynyuk had
hit the puck first. It was hard to tell since we only got one replay from
behind.

> Koharski hadn't called a penalty and went ballistic-- he stood up while
> he was still inside the net, knocking the net off its moorings
> intentionally (blown call #3).  Turcotte then skated around Koharski,

Hmm I missed this. Had the whistle gone? Did the net already come off the
moorings by the impact of Turcotte sliding into it?

> jawing at him and banging his stick on the ice, boards, etc.  FINALLY,
> Koharski called a penalty on Turcotte for unsportsmanlike conduct.
> Well, at least he got one of the four on that play....  I was laughing
> my b@!!s off, especially when Sam Rosen and John Davidson were
> complaining about this whole series.  Of course, the Flames scored
> right after the two-man advantage ended, making me even happier :-}.
> 
The only way the Flames can score on the powerplay is to be two men up it
seems. But I shouldn't be complaining since the Rangers went 0-9. :-)

-Dave.
From: green@ie.utoronto.ca (Marc Green)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:58:26 GMT

kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Keller) writes:

>In article <farenebt.724080071@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:
>>The subject line says it all. You've got places like Milwaukee,
>>Hamilton, Seattle, etc and they choose Southern California and 
>>Southern Florida! Despite the change in leadership, apparently
>>the same dolts are calling the shots. Also, this is so inane to
>>believe but i heard the Anaheim team would be called the "Mighty
>>Ducks". I thought this new leadership was supposed to bring the
>>game MORE credibility...
>>

>I agree.  This is terrible.  I thought the point of the NHL expansion was to
>expand the game to more places.  Instead, they put one team in a city that
>already has a team and the other team in a state they just expanded to.  These
>choices don't make much sense to me.  Anaheim gets a team because Disney made
>a movie about hockey?!  What kind of qualifications are those?  Are they trying
>to create an NHL version of the Clippers?  Seattle, Milwaukee, and Hamilton
>all make more sense to me than either one of these cities.

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Then obviously you have very little sense. I know that it's hard to
believe, but the NHL has made a masterful move. Disney has it's own
cable channel that goes into virtually every cable connected household
in America. This means everybody is going to get hockey on TV. Then
there are the promotional opportunities through their Disney stores and
theme parks. Similar, though less dramatic, promotional opportunities
exist through Blockbuster video. 

And I don't understand the crack about the Clippers. The Kings have sold
out every game for a couple of years. Why shouldn't Anaheim be a success?

And give up on Hamilton, already. They will never, never get a team. Buffalo
will make sure of that. Milwaukee didn't want to pay $50 million, let
alone the extra $10 million indemnication to Chicago. By contrast, Disney
used pocket change to pay off $25 million to the Kings.

Judging from the posts, some people seem to think that the NHL is a charity,
rather a business. Like any business marketing is the key to success. At
last, the NHL has figured that out.

Marc Green
Trent University


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From: VBHARGAVA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Bhargava, Vipin k)
Subject: Re: Oh, my dear *Lord*!  It's the Seventh Sign!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:16:39 GMT
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Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

In <1992Dec18.092339.22375@bcrka451.bnr.ca> simpson@bnr.ca writes:

> I was waiting for someone else to post this, but no-one has.
> 
> It has become quasi-official.  Eisner wasn't joking.
> 
> They're the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.  Same sweaters, too.
> 
> At least, that's what SportsDesk said tonight.
> 
> What does a stroke feel like?
> 
> 
> Later,
> That Scott Guy
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And to think that they made the Ottawa Senators change their logo because
it didn't signify the NHL (changed the logo from the tower with the flag, to
the current one).

Vip

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From: dan@vicorp.com (Dan Gauthier)
Subject: Re: Adams VS. Patrick again...
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:14:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.030651.8296@wam.umd.edu> lulu@wam.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) writes:
>In article <92347.122444IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM) writes:
>
>Philly and Long Island are easily better than Hartford and Ottawa.
>As for the other 8 teams, they're evenly matched as 2 groups.  I

I find it interesting that the only team that BOTH Hartford and Ottawa
have beaten, is New Jersey.
I can only speak for Boston, but aren't they 4-1-2 against the Patrick?
I bet Montreal must have a similar record.  
From the games I've seen, Hartford and Ottawa have played Boston tougher
than the Islanders, Devils, and Flyers, who all looked fairly weak, granted
the small number of games and lack of Lindros in the 7-1 recent loss for 
Philly.  
While I think the Adams is "slightly" tougher, I would just rather say
that both divisions have a strong top 4 and have more teams with good 
records than the Cambell.  Of course, fans of teams in the Norris or
Smythe might dissagree.  It's a free country.

-- 
*****************************************************************************
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From: bassek@lesti.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry and Sandstrom
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:18:50 GMT

In <1992Dec11.180217.12117@unisol.com> haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas) writes:

>Sandstrom was born in Jakobstad, Finland, and moved to Sweden as a younster...

Maybe in the hospital of Jakobstad (Pietarsaari), but he lived in Kronoby,
a willage between J. and my hometown. If anyone really cares...

>-- 
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>  Voice: (310) 542-0068,  Fax: (310) 370-4024,  E-mail: haral@unisol.com

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.124357.17536@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>Minnesota was an anomaly, and anomalies happen infrequently...however,
>Chicago did self-destruct, and Caron traded away his team in February
>of that season to the Canucks, and the Oilers were banged up after
>wars with Calgary and LA...and Casey got hot, and Gainey is one hell
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of a coach...but then look at Minnesota's record in the second half of
>that season...again, then perhaps the playoff performance is
>unsurprising...it took a new coach, Gainey, 40 games, to get his
>teams performance up to snuff.

Is this really fair then?  If you look at the entire season, players like
Casey can go on a hot streak and then come back down to the normal level of
performance, but in the playoffs they get rewarded for streaky play.  (e. g.,
Sean Burke)

===============================================================================
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GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 12/17
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.052918.19481@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>From the Islanders pregame show tonight ...
>
>* Ottawa lost their mascot tonight; their $100,000 guy in a lion suit
>walked after a disagreement with management prior to the game with the
>Detroit Red Wings.

Hell, for $100,000, I'd do it.  Then again, I do worse here for a
helluva lot less...

>* A possible referees rebellion with their new contract coming up ...
>Don Koharski was forced to do the Tuesday Rangers game despite a torn 
>left knee ligament.

Oh, then that explains it-- he went on a work stoppage, the same way
the State Police do when they have a contract dispute.

>* Tie Domi is bitter about the way the Rangers are treating him and
>wants out of New York.

Who would want him and his 3-year, $1 M+ contract?  Good goons are hard
to come by, but really...

>* Winnipeg has presented an offer to the Bruins: Joe Juneau and Glen
>Wesley for Phil Housley.  The Bruins told the Jets to take a hike.

Who do they think Housley is, the second coming of Christ?  I wouldn't
trade either one of these guys straight up for Housley.  Besides, neither of
them are Europeans-- why would the Jets want them :-].

-JPC

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From: alee@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Housley to be traded
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:05:38 GMT

housley is not worth as much as detroit and the rangers are willing
to offer.  he consistently dissappears in the playoffs, and being a
Bruins fan, i,ve seen phil in his prime look horrifically average
in the playoffs way back when he was a buffalo sabre. since becoming 
a jet winnipeg has twice blown 3-1 advantages in playoffs to the
edmonton oilers and vancouver canucks. granted you cant blame phil
totaaly, but you turn to the big guys. phil's a great talent, heif 
will put up some numbers, but frankly is somewhat overrated. i
know it's taboo to trade within the division but it would be interes           ting to see what pat quinn of vancouver would offer as gerry diduck
is about as offensive as canuck blue line gets. detroit should offer             ysebeart and a defenseman, but not chiasson (or the other way 
around). rangers seem mad at the lost chance to ruin themselves
last summer (i'm talking lindros) and want to screw themselves now
they don't need phil, they got leetch, lowe and patrick!
In article <Bz3tIJ.17u@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umeitzen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Steven Eitzen) writes:
> In <Bz26JI.M4s@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ananda@ee.umanitoba.ca writes:
> 
>>	The paper here today carried an article that GM Mike
>>Smith is trying to deal Housley.  Two possible teams are the
>>Rangers and Red Wings. Supposedly, the wings have the inside 
>>track.  An announcement is expected today ( 10/12 ) or tomorrow.
>>	Another GM has confirmed that Mike Smith is trying 
>>to make significant changes.
> 
> That's what it sounds like. There are two rumors floating around:
> 
>   1) Housley to Detroit for Steve Chaisson and a combination of Keith
>      Primeau, Sheldon Kennedy or Paul Ysebart.
>   2) Housley to the Rangers for Tony Amonte and Jeff Beukeboom.
> 
> The trade is almost certain because yesterday Housley exercised a
> clause in his contract to convert his 4 year deal to a 1+1. In other
> words, Housley is now playing out his option. Consider him gone.
> -- 
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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: IHL: Atlanta Knights and Manon
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:40:19 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <yang-171292133451@comm-mac-ii.acs.ucalgary.ca> yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang) writes:
>In article <1gll8nINNpd6@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
>wrote:
>> 
>> Well Brent Gretzky and Ken Hodge Jr. are on her team, so hopefully
>> she wouldn't be scared of them (unless they didn't backcheck).
>> Trefilov is Salt Lake's goalie, so I doubt there would be a
>> reason to be scared of him.
>> 
>> She should be scared of the big Salt Lake boys like Paul Krause and 
>> Todd Harkins, who like to go to the net and crash the crease. 
>>
>Well both Paul Kruse and Todd Harkins are up playing with the Flames, so I
>doubt Manon would have much reason to be scared of those two either. 

Just after I posted, I heard that Kruse and Harkins were called up
for the Detroit and Rangers road games.  I guess the Flames felt they
might need some reinforcements when going up against Probert.

> 
>> I'm sure she was just nervous, because she knew that much of the
>> hockey world would see her either live on satelite or most likely
>> on the many sports highlight shows (Sportscenter or CNN Sports).
>> I saw her practice in San Diego a few weeks ago and she looked 
>> like she could hold her own.  I wish Manon all the best luck in
>> the future. 
>>
>It was her first pro appearance in a regular season game, who wouldn't be
>nervous in her place?
>
>You went to a Gulls/Knights practice? Good to see you are keeping busy
>Isaac and not wasting your time doing meaningless things like oh say....
>finishing off your Ph.D. :-)

I hope my Dad doesn't read r.s.h.

>FORE!

At least while I'm still working on my Ph.D. down here in San Diego, 
I can occasionally have the opportunity to yell FORE! at Torrey.
I guess in Calgary, you still have to wait awhile before having
that pleasure (except for maybe at Par-Tee).

>-Dave

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: sunils@bmerh703.bnr.ca (Sunil Sanwalka)
Subject: why no hamilton?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:24:53 GMT

I don't live hamilton and I don't really care whether they get a franchise
or not, but I just don't understand why they have\n't got one.

1) They have an excellent facility. Copps Colesium 

2) Excellent backing Tim Horton donuts. Some pretty deep pockets there.

3) Territorial problems should be any bigger than in the LA deal. 
   i.e. I don't think it would take more thatn 25mil to keep the Leafs
        and the Sabres happy.

4) Excellent support, like Ottawa they could probably sell out 
   the entire arena as seasons ticket if they wanted to.


Any comments on why they've been surpassed. I'd be pretty upset if I 
   was a hamiltonian.



Cheers,
       Sunil
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: The Mighty Ducks (was Oh, my dear *Lord*!  It's the Seventh Sign!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:18:53 GMT
Distribution: na 


In article <1992Dec18.092339.22375@bcrka451.bnr.ca> simpson@bnr.ca
(Scott Simpson) writes:
>I was waiting for someone else to post this, but no-one has.
>
>It has become quasi-official.  Eisner wasn't joking.
>
>They're the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.  Same sweaters, too.
>
>At least, that's what SportsDesk said tonight.
>
>What does a stroke feel like?
>
>
Well, I live in Orange County, and as of this morning's paper, no
name for the team had as yet been chosen.  (And they are being 
hounded here by people offering alternative names so that the
team WILL NOT be named the Ducks).  So, I hope what you heard
is not true or this team will truly be the joke of the NHL.

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!


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From: bnc@portia.si.macsch.com (Brian Casey)
Subject: Re: Official Expansion: Anaheim and Miami - No Joke
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.170400.29410@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>kcapie@buhub.bradley.edu (Kevin Capie) writes:
>>mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>>
>>>The NHL has announced official plans today to expand into both Anaheim
>>>and Miami either for 1993-94 (unlikely) or 1994-95 (likely).
>>
>>Anahiem is a big mistake.  The Kings had trouble selling tickets before 
>>Wayne hit town.  Even though Disney has the money to back it up initially
>>the money has to run out sometime.
>
>Not only that, with the demise or SC LA on Dec. 31st there's a rush
>for local broadcast time on Prime Ticket ... there's always Disney
>Channel 2, I guess (now that the pay channels are multiplexing ...).
>

Disney also owns a KCAL channel 9, an L.A. broadcast station that currently
carries the L.A. Lakers away-games.  It would be natural to add the 
Ducks games to the station, which otherwise shows three hours of local
news from 8 to 11 every night.

Also, from the L.A. Times (without permission, obviously):

Disney's move into hockey could bail the city of Anaheim out of a
$1-million payment it must make to the owners of a new $103-million
arena under construction unless a hockey team arrives by the end of 
1993.  City officials had been scrambling to find professional 
basketball and hockey teams to play in the Anaheim Arena.

The timing may also be to Disney's benefit because the City Council
[in Ahaheim] must soon sonsider whether to allow a $3-billion expansion
of Disneyland to move forward.  But Disney officials said the two
projects will be independent in any negotiations that require city 
participation.

Disney must pay about $25-million to the NHL for rights to operate the
new franchise and $25-million to Bruce McNall, owner of the Los Angeles
Kings, for territorial rights in Southern California.  Company spokesman
Tom Deegan called the $50-million investment "not particularly large"
for the $7.5-billion conglomerate.

While McNall's team has been profitable and playing to sellout crowds
without the injured Wayne Gretzky, some of his other business ventures
have not fared as well lately.  The most prominent example is his 
football team, the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League,
which he owns with Gretzky and actor John Candy.  That franchise lost
about $7-million (U.S.) in the last two years."

In the long term, a team owned by Disney could challenge the Kings.

"Disney is such a first-rate operation, you know there's going to be
competition in the L.A. market." King president Roy Mlakar told
reporters at the NHL meetings.  "But Bruce McNall, as chairman, had
to do what was right for hockey.  It means we're going to have to
work even harder."

"That's my job as presdident.  And that's why I'm bald."

Brian Casey
bnc@macsch.com