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From: clallen@rodan.acs.syr.edu (LT CHAz)
Subject: Re: Penn State: Kicking Them While They're Down
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 03:05:51 EST

In article <1992Nov2.163539.11141@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:

>>	I am sorry but this is BS.  Syracuse was in the Top 25 before
>>PSU decided to take the ball and go 'cause they couldn't play
>>by THEIR rules.   6 homes games in a 10 year contract, for a traditional
>>rivalry?!?  I think not!  Paterno may be a good coach, but he can also
>>be a greedy cry-baby
>>
>
>A traditional rival?? maybe to SU but beating them 17 times in the last
>19 games played was getting boring.
>
>I kind of wonder what you think of the PS-Pitt rivalry - of the 90+ games
>played between the two schools, less than 30 were played at PSU! 

	Hey, that's not my problem!  It just shows that Syracuse was
smart it not letting the same thing happen to them.  
(Out of curiosity, were those games at Pitt exclusively, or how many
were neutral sight?)

>You took your basketball and went your way so don't cry if PSU keeps it's
>football.

	First off I don't want you football team, and second PSU had its
chance to join the Big East back in 1978-79, but Joe said no.  So have
fun taking lumps in the Little 11.


>You can never turn back the clock but you never know what kind of
>DB McPherson would be - had he played DB in college he may be still playing
>somewhere (NFL) today instead of riding the pine.

	Running the option didn't help either!

LT CHAz
From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:44:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <aelman.721358597@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>
>>Usually I try to refrain in getting into a flame war dealing with worthless
>>jibberish such as what is mentioned above but just can't help it this time.
>
>That's ok -- I like flame wars with USC fans. :-)
>
>only one reason why the U$C band has made "numerous TV and movie
>appearances" -- it's because you're the most _convenient_ band in L.A.

Check that, THE BEST MARCHING BAND IN LA! Also a recent SI issue declared them 
one of the best in the nation. Sorry... Didnt see Stanford's band listed any-
where...

>>2. A band that has
>>been exposed on a Grammy-winning album, or a band that likes
>>"exposing themselves" in a diffrent way in public. 
>
>Gee, I'd have to go with the second again (funny how that works. :-)
>Again, the only reason that the U$C Band plays with all these artists,
>TV, movies, etc. is because _you're_in_LA_!!!!!  

So what are you telling me here, if Stanford was located in the LA area,
they would be getting all the offers?? Well maybe if Axl Rose or Sinead
O'Connor do a remake of "TUSK", you may have a point! :)


>U$C Band.  Sure, they're good sounding (considering they only play
>three or four songs, they kinda have to be :-), but we don't sound
>that bad, have a MUCH wider repertoire (or at least we play a wider
>variety of songs at a single game), and have a lot more fun than you
>possibly could.  Which is part of our appeal.

Obviously you should stick around avoid the traffic after a game and
watch and listen while the USC Band performs about an hour concert
after every game. Home or away, win,lose or draw. Guaranteed, no songs
repeated here!

Fight On,
Valdis Kalejs




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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Nebraska and patsies --  C U later
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:44:55 GMT

In article <16893C75F.UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU> UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Nov01.144639.89261@evolving.com>
>
>title over a significant period of time, like at least 10 years (NU and OU go
>back a longer time), they won't start to be considered a 'rival'.  CU's desig-

That's what ND said about Miami before chickening out...
Don't worry, this isn't over yet... You boys will be coming to OUR town next
year.. and things might a wee bit different then...

>St.  I think CU would be better off designating KU as their rivals, since both

We'll see about that next year... This rivalry stuff isn't over yet.

>schools have recently been 'rebuilt' and now have good football programs.  But

I don't know about KU's football team.. CU had a few good years before, but
that didn't make them a good football team...

KU is good, but not in football.. (not yet)

>gets, and if that isn't enough for CU, pues pueden chupar sus propios cuernos!
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pundachi mone, ellavarkum ariyavunna bhashayil samsarikkeda.

>Conrad R. Castaneda
>U of Nebraska-Lincoln

Njan
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Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:33:42 EST
 <1992Nov9.113259.1@ducvax.auburn.edu><1992Nov10.183639.266@b11.b11.ingr.com> <1992Nov10.163307.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov10.163307.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, owen@ducvax.auburn.edu says:
>
>In article <1992Nov10.183639.266@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com
>(Guy McConnell) writes:
>>
>>     The problem with this theory is that Alabama doesn't "load up"
>> against anything.  The pass rush is the 3 or 4 down linemen and the
>> rest of the defense just lines up and says "bring it on".
>>
>Well, everyone they've played so far (except Tennessee) has a very one-
>dimensional (or no-dimensional) offense -- they can either a) run but
>not pass, b) pass but not run, or c) do neither.  "Loading up" was not
>meant to refer to the pass rush, but to the schemes run by the linebackers
>and db's (notice how many people are within, say, 8-10 yards of scrimmage
>against running teams, or how many dbs they have in against passing teams).

What one dimensional offenses have we faced?  Vandy's is, I'll grant,
but what others?  Pleas offer some stats to support your claim.

>>     Let's see, that would be the same Jay Barker who ripped Ole Miss
>> for almost 400 yards passing in route to a 31 - 10 victory when they
>> decided not to worry about the passing game, wouldn't it?  I, along
>> with Alabama's receiving corps I'm sure, sincerely hope that MSU
>> leaves the passing game out of the equation.
>
>Yep, same one.  "Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while".
>Every time I've had occasion to see Jay play (which I'll admit is not
>that often), he's done his best Stan White imitation and regularly thrown
>the ball into the dirt in front of wide-open receivers (or into the stands,
>etc.).  Now if he could just learn to throw those interceptions like Stan ;-).

Well, as you admit yourself, you aren't arguing from a very knowledgeable
position.

>As to holding the Bama running game in check, lesser defenses than MSU's have
>accomplished that this year.

Yes, but did they win?  More importantly, lesser defenses than Bama's
have shut down the MSU offense this year.  They won, too.

>Larry Owen


Jim Thomas
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Texas A&M's ranking
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:55:48 GMT
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In <1992Nov4.205230.27471@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com writes:

> kkc@raising.arizona.edu writes:
> >Besides Stanford, which other top 25 teams has Texas played to deserve 
> >their #5 ranking? IMO, they are definitely overrated. 
> 
> Good point kkc.  I'll go on record as saying I think Texas is THE WORST
> FIFTH-RANKED TEAM IN THE COUNTRY.

  Would you like fries with that? :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.190509.215@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>  
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson) writes:

> This might be bad for Dye, as they may ask him to resign, but as far
> as AU is concerned, I believe that the report when the whole ER thing
> came out was that the timing of the two incidents would not merit the
> death penalty.

Worse yet, they may be assessed...the Debbie penalty:

1) Denied access to editor
2) Intermittent Caps Lock
3) Line length = 25, New Line limit = 4
4) E-mail address that bounces
5) A tide of rolls, some stale, none cinnamon.
6) Denied admittance to GSfC
7) Change name to 'BAMA

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From: kevins@netcom.com (Kevin Schraith)
Subject: Illinois all the way, Bay-bee!!  (was, Bowl Game for MSU?) 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:37:09 GMT

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>   I think there are a few teams with small shots at bowl bids just because
>   of the fan support issue. Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa and Indiana
>   could all have shots at going. Wisconsin probably has the most "We'll go
>   anywhere for a bowl as long as we can party," fans. Unfortunately, the
>   team isn't holding up its end of the bargain. If Iowa finished 6-6, you'd
>   think they might have a shot because they played a tough non-conference
>   schedule. Michigan State might go somewhere just for taking second in the
>   Big 10 and if Indiana wins 7, you'd think they'd also go somewhere.

>   My guess is that Ohio State and Michigan are the only sure-fire Bowl
>   candidates. MSU might be about 50/50, while Iowa, Indiana and UW would
>   be longshots.

You know, with all this talk about Big 10 teams vying for bowls, er...

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)  (<-- smiley-ing in advance)

how come people always overlook Illinois?  Sure, they may have lost to some
perennial powerhouses like Northwestern, Minnesota, and Houston, but c'mon,
Minnesota and Houston were road losses.  At 5-4, 3-3 in the BIG 10, they are
ready to hop into the driver's seat for 2nd place, a very prestigious spot in
this year's BIG 10.  

I mean, all it would take is a _minor_ upset this Saturday over Michigan and
they're sitting pretty.  They've beaten Ohio State soundly (on the road, no
less), and Ohio State will surely lose to Michigan the next weekend, leaving
them at 5-3 in the Big Ten.  The next week, Illinois plays a surprisingly
challenging Michigan State AT HOME.  Even if MSU squeaks one by Purdue, they
will fall to Illinois, leaving them at 5-3 at best.  Indiana and Iowa are
tied with Illinois at 3-3, so they will both have to lose.  Ohio State should
have no problem with Indiana.  And Iowa will surely drop one of their last
two games - against Northwestern and Minnesota, two teams which Illinois has
shown are good enough to beat high-calibre teams.

And there you have it ... Illinois goes to the Citrus Bowl again.  And they
will certainly deserve it.  Remember, 5-3 is impressive for a 2nd-place team
in the big 10!

(sorry about this posting, folks.  I'm a displaced alum and feeling lonely
for the sight of my beloved Illini in an article which isn't just moaning
about how they lost to Northwestern at home or how they didn't deserve to win
the Ohio State game.  I needed to get this out of my system.  Besides, I
sense that the woof gods are currently in a pro-woof phase)

Hail to the Orange!  Hail to the Blue!

Kevin Schraith
kevins@netcom.com
Illinois, Class of '92
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From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Speed Bump for Michigan (was: "Re: Alabama better than Michigan")
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:34:12 GMT

murphy@rock.enet.dec.com writes:
> I think it is most interesting how quiet the OSU people have been while
> we wait for the OSU-UM game.  

It seems that OSU people do a lot more posting after a loss than after
a win.  Our motto: "We'd rather call for the coach's head than woof."

> But I think that OSU should be considered as at least a speed bump for
> Michigan, 

Well, Michigan looked invulnerable until last week, and we still don't
know which OSU team will show up.  For now, I'm worried about Indiana;
we play at their place and will be looking ahead to Michigan.
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
From: ckoontz@fozzy.UUCP (Carl H. Koontz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SMU crushes Houston
Keywords: SMU, Mustangs, Crush, Pummel, Destroy, Revenge
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:10:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Richardson Texas, USA

Revenge sure is sweet.

SMU really looked good Saturday.  I don't care if Houston is having a bad
year or whatever, but SMU gave them a good old-fashioned whipping.  41-16
is a good victory no matter who you are playing.

In a couple years, it looks like SMU will be a force to be reckoned with
as more depth is added in the lines.

Dan Freiberger seriously might be picking up some Heisman votes with his
performance this season.

Carl
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: RSFC I-AA TOP TEN
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:32:00 GMT


The latest I-AA top ten, as chosen by rsfc I-AA followers:

(#1 votes in parentheses)
                                                  Hi        Lo
Rank      Team                     Points        Rank      Rank

1t.       The Citadel (2)            60           1         7
1t.       Delaware (3)               60           1         6
3.        Northeast Louisiana (1)    58           1         4
4.        Northern Iowa (1)          53           1         5
5.        Middle Tennessee           41           4         8
6.        Idaho                      36           4         7
7.        Youngstown St.             17           6        NR
8.        Florida A&M                15           6        NR
9.        Marshall                   13           5        NR
10.       Samford                    11           6        NR

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Villanova (8); Southwest Missouri St. (5); 
Massachusetts (4); North Carolina A&T (3); Western Carolina (1).

Thanks to those who participated (seven responses this week).

PDunn
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:40:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov8.084338.8007@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>If by "outclassed" you mean outmanned, then I think it's safe to say that
>it *is* still the case this year. 

By outclassed I simply meant in a different league, so to speak, with
the outcome not in doubt.

>                                   I'm hoping and praying that the Cougs
>can pull the upset too, but I think you might be overrating them some if
>you put them in almost the same class as the Huskies.  Also, the Cougar
>offense might be statistically better than past years, but if you've seen
>them during the last month, you would realize that they are the only thing
>keeping this team from being 9-0 right now.

Yes, I have seen half of the games (thank God for sattelite broadcasts!),
and I do know that the offense has been inconsistent.  Actually, it
seems much of the problem is the front line can't often give decent
pass protection (like against Oregon); this accounts for much of
the inconsistency in total yards, etc.  Also, the offense has seemed
sloppy to me earlier in the year, but they do seem to be getting better.

>                                             The defense is better than 
>good; it's outstanding.  I think the Cougs' defense can give the Huskies
>some problems, but I'm having a tough time picturing this offense moving
>the ball with any consistency against the Husky defense.  It is an offense
>capable of big plays, but with Bledsoe's inconsistency, the line's 
>occasional inability to pass-protect, and Mike Price's play-calling,  
>scoring will be tough.

The offense will definitely have to rise to the occasion, no doubt.
However, if there is any game they will do this in, it will be
against the Huskies.
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: #1 resolved!
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:17:24 GMT

In article <TOMA.92Nov7194104@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory  
Toma) writes:
> Well, looks like Alabama is #1... NOT! I hope Miami doesn't wimp out and
> stay home over New Year's Day.                              ^^^^^^^^

This is not rec.sport.basketball.college :)

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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:49:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.214734.29043@news.duc.auburn.edu> steinse@eng.auburn.edu writes:
><JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>  [Jim Thomas] writes:
>>Yesterday the NCAA sent an official letter of investigation
>>to Auburn, citing *9* major violations of NCAA regs.  Among
>>the charges (never really specified by ESPN, but I can only
>>assume they are related to the Eric Ramsey business) is the
>>claim that Pat Dye was aware of the various violations, but
>>took no action.  Auburn says they will cooperate fully; Dye
>>isn't saying anything.
> 
>For what it's worth, yes, the charges stem specifically from the Eric Ramsey
>scandal.  I personally believe that Dye is a dead duck.  And he (Dye) hasn't 
>really commented on the charges, but he seems to think that his job is safe
>because "Auburn can't find a coach better than me."  NOTE THAT THAT IS *NOT* A
>DIRECT QUOTE.  Anyway, Dye appears to have an inflated opinion of his own 
>level of immortality.

    Well, the direct quote is not much less arrogant.  Dye said "Who
are they gonna get to replace me?  Don James?  Dennis Ericson? 
They've both got great programs where they are.  It will be hard for
them to get somebody better than me."  This appeared in The
Huntsville Times and was reportedly faxed to Auburn by someone. 
These and other comments conatined therein reportedly so angered
Auburn's president, Muse, that he muzzled Dye at the press
conference following the receipt of The Official Letter.

    My personal feeling is that Pat Sullivan will return from Horned
Frog country to the head coaching job at auburn.  That, I think,
sticks painfully in Dye's craw.  Sullivan seems to have put himself
just where he wants to be.  He left Auburn before all hell broke
loose and got a year's experience as a head coach.  What do I know
though?  I can't claim to be close to Auburn's program at all.  What
are the feelings on the Plains David?

--
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   ***  A hurricane is a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.  ***
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Let the praying begin...
Keywords: n
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:39:38 GMT

CJohn Mace writes:

>I think the bowl Coalition is starting to reflect its weak points:
>
>What if:
>A&M and Alabama wind up undefeated??  They can't meet in a Bowl game.
>
>You always have the Rose Bowl problems...

I agree with cmuck.  If the coalition can't solve these problems then it should
just be bagged in favor of the old system.

     - Pat
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: God! Grass DOES grow in the SWC!!
Keywords: horned frog
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:17:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.004247.536@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
>Finally!! A SWC team with grass in their home field! TCU's new field looks
>great. I tuned in to the the TCU-Texas game and could not believe what I saw.
>Grass!! Now if only the Big 8 could see this.

Yes. And did you notice that cool picture of a horned frog in the grass?
Very impressive. (Do they have a live mascot?)


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:47:31 GMT

In article <Bx7upM.M0G@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:
>
>>In article <Bx4670>, jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>|> Remember this fact : the only SEC team that isn't 'CHICKEN' to play
>>|> Miami is Auburn and you would be the first (IMO) to bitch and holler
>>|> about Miami playing a weak team !
>
>>  Bama DID play Miami at your place, we had more spectators at practice.
>
>You must have a good memory because the last time Alabama played Miami
>at Miami was in 1974 and the Tide won 28-7.  That was 18 years ago !!!

    That would have been about the time you were born, right?  By
the way, when was the last time Miami played Alabama at Alabama?

--
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Remaining Schedules AP Top 10
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:39:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.145544.4490@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Mitch Blake <blake@l42al.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:

   >Well, it is a valid argument, but perhaps now the hypocrisy exhibited by
   >some (especially some very outspoken Mich. fans) will be visible to all.

Most Michigan fan postings I have read acknowlege Michigan's weak
schedule.  Exactly what hypocrisy have you seen?  Excerpts are
acceptable proof.



-Alan Harder
 
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