HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Christopher.Soulos@f406.n712.z3.asstdc.oz.au (Christopher Soulos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: RE-Upgrade? Word 5.0 - 5.1
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:46:50 +1100

 From: sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott)
Organization: Kent State University

Is it worth upgrading Word 5.0 to 5.1.  I understand that the cost is
insignificant
($15.00)  but I am still wondering if it is worth upgrading now - or wait
until
6.? arrives
and upgrade then....  Comments via email or posting would be appreciated.

Stephen.


Yes. It is much, much, much better.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: sold@kit.uni-kl.de (Christoph Sold)
Subject: Re: Localized OS for the Mac
Organization: Universitaet Kaiserslautern
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.133347.2037@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> ynakazato@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>From: ynakazato@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
>Subject: Localized OS for the Mac
>Date: 22 Dec 92 13:33:47 -0500
>
>
>	I need the following info, and hope someone can prvide
>	it to me:
>
>	How many languages/language variatons does Apple
>	*officially* support with localized operating systems
>	for the Mac? And what are their exact names (eg
>	SwissFrench, SwissGerman, etc)?
>
>	Thanks in advance.
>
>
>	Y. Nakazato
>	Chinese/Japanese Dept
>	Georgetown University
>	Washington, DC 20057
>	(202) 687-6144
>
>	

As always, there is no exact number. You may want to know how many region 
codes are already _defined_ in the interface files? Look into the latests 
developer CD. But this is the number of _defined_ region codes, which is not 
the number of _implemented_ system versions. You can count 'em, if you look 
in a bunch of the latest developer CDs (they do only provide new intl system 
versions on the actual CD, since these image files are real space hogs and 
there are now even different systems for all of these "new" eastern european 
countries :-). Additionally, the number trends to grow at this time.

Alterantively, scan ftp.apple.com for the sys.soft.int subdirectory and 
count the number of files in it (but don't expect the files there are a 
complete listing of all existing system software versions for the Mac).

-Christoph
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"If an apple is fun, what the heck is an appletree?"
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:21013 comp.sys.mac.system:15455 comp.sys.mac.hardware:24761
From: newton@cs.utexas.edu (Peter Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Speedometer ratings for the current Macs
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:02:52 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: mohawk.cs.utexas.edu

>>    LC                              3
>>    Performa 400 = LC II            4
>Strange, i thought the LC and the LCII had almost the same performance
>(MacUser Benchmarks). After all, the LCII has only one advantage, the

I think that the 68020 and the 68030 do not have identical on chip cache
configurations.  If I recall, the 030 adds a tiny data cache to the tiny
I-cache that is already present on the 020.  I guess a cache sensitive
benchmark could pick it up.  Most real apps do not appear to be sensitive
in this way.

Does anyone know what the CPU benchmark in speedometer really does?  Is it
just some tiny loop?
-- 
 ----
Peter Newton (newton@cs.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: Deep Space Nine in QuickTime?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:46:50 GMT

As I watch the teaser commercial for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine,
I think it'd make a neat little QuickTime movie. (You know, the
commercial where the Star Fleet Logo moves toward the viewer,
then flips around and the text of the title appears?)

So, does anyone know if this has been done yet? And where we
trekkers might get our hands on it?? =) Thanks..

-- 
     || (||)  The Court Jester               "Citizens of the planet
     ||       From the House of Xon   \    /  Earth...  We bring you
  () || ()    Long live The Leader!    \  /   greetings, and we come
     ||                                 \/    in peace."
(||) ||       jwells@netcom.netcom.com       "Resist.... or perish!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: SCSI id of a Laser Writer IIg
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:40:29 GMT

zmyd02@hou.amoco.com (Denton Meredith) writes:
: In article 29412@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk, ivan sin <ivan-sin@cuhk.hk> () writes:
: >How can I find out the SCSI id of a IIg printer?
: >Is it id=7 just like the id of a mac system, I guess?
: 
: 
: I may be completely screwed up on this, but as I recall, printers are not SCSI devices, are they?  I thought they were just straight-8 devices, or whatever the heck they're called.  SCSI id's are reserved for startup devices (internal/external hard drives, floppy drives) and are numbered according to priority at startup.  Yes?
: 
No.

Every SCSI device has an address, including the CPU.

Greg.

--
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gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.
Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: worman@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (robert worman)
Subject: stylewriter ink
Summary: must it be smearable?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:16:16 GMT

Hello all - here's a question to all of you Stylewriter owners :

	Is there a reason why Apple doesn't provide a water-insoluble inkjet
refill?  I called the toll-free number listed in my Stylewriter manual, where I
was told that such an ink might "dry up the printer", which seems pretty silly
to me.  I was thinking maybe the pigment or particles necessary for indelible
ink could clog the inkjet nozzle?
	The obvious way to answer my question is to try one of the third-party
permanent refills from JetInc, et al.  Has anyone used one of these products?
If so, any problems?

thanks,
rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Larry F. Brauer <brauer@chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Prodigy and CompuServe both byte
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A767517F74010232@brauer.nwc.navy.mil>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:15:43 GMT
Organization: NAWC
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:12:09 GMT

Subject: Prodigy and CompuServe both byte
From: 00sndavis
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:37:53 GMT

As a member of both AOL and CI$, I can say they both have advantages. 
The main advantage of Compuserve is its "largeness." You can find almost
any and everything on it if you look hard enough.  The two drawbacks to
CI$ is cost and "largeness".  To be worthwhile, the $8.00/mo option
doesn't seem to buy much.  The $14/hr option buys quite a bit but there
can still be extra charges.  It's largeness is a problem because there is
so much available, it's difficult to determine everything that is
available.

AOL on the other hand is a smaller service, virtually everything is
available at the basic hourly rate, and there doesn't seem to be any
extra charges.  

I end up using AOL for everything I possibly can and only use Compuserve
when I need something not available on AOL.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole)
Subject: Re: Does the clone of Macintosh still exist?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:06:09 GMT


(1) There WAS a Mac clone in the Far East (Akkord I believe was the name) that
got squelched, because it turned out they were actually burning ROM's from a 
dump of Mac ROMs, and they WERE shut down, either because the nation they were
based in did have patent/copyright agreements, or simply because they felt they
HAD to cooperate on such a major case. I don't believe it was Singapore 
simply because Apple has some nice big plants there, and would have had little
desire to build them anywhere that harbored ROM copiers

(2) in 1990 a company called NuTek or something along those lines did a snow 
job on the industry press. During the fall of '90 and spring of '91 I probably
saw 15 articles on their wonderful emulation in reverse-engineered chips. 
MacWorld (Jan. '91 I believe) had a big cover article and predicted a $600 
complete system equivalent to a //ci by late '92. MW has always been a bit 
hysterical and gullible. 

There will not ever be a legit Mac clone that is not licensed from Apple. The 
cloners will always have to put extraordinary effort into reverse-engineering 
the ROMs (and OS to some extent) without breaking the law, and will always be 
aiming at this month's feature set while Apple is developing next year's 
without having to close their people off from anyone, and with VERY deep 
development pockets. Maybe the NuTek folks realized that they were working on 
getting 1990 technology working in '92 and gave up. Maybe they were scared off
by Apple. Maybe they noticed that the internal workings of the Mac OS and 
ROMs are chock full of totally undocumented features that only the Apple OS 
developers know of, and only they use, and they rely upon them (technically 
speaking, a specific case in point is a number of A-traps that ONLY get called
by the OS code, and do some rather convoluted data and control acrobatics) To 
overcome some of these problems, a cloner would have to do things with the 
Apple OS and ROM code that are of questionable legality. Don't hold your breath
for a Mac clone.
From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: .hqx files
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:34:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Just checked the sumex archives.  Mcvert (the Unix Binhex decoder)
is archived there under /info-mac/unix.


-- 
Joel Siegel <jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu    jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu>
"Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in
affairs which properly concern them."  - Paul Valery
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:20970 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:16050 misc.invest:15209
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.invest
Subject: Re: History was made today...
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:38:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec19.170507.4692@siia.mv.com>, David Dick writes:

> I once heard of someone saying that trying to use PCs to replace
> mainframes [for some tasks] is like trying to plow a field with
> a herd of chickens.

But what if the chickens are the size of a horse?  Considering the
power of PCs today, they might even be as big as elephants.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"S.B., with an I.Q. of 161, failed to complete his course of study,
running away instead with his professor's wife."
H. J. Eysenck, _Know Your Own I.Q._
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: sdtrent.mte.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: ** WARNING ** AVOID TIGER SOFTWARE!!!!
Reply-To: sdtrent@mte.ncsu.edu
Organization: TheNews 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:39:23 GMT

About Tiger Software,

I ordered from them one time. Half the things I wanted were out of stock, no
suprise, the prices were good. The problem was when I called back to check on
the part of the order I placed I was told that there was a problem with it and
the guy who took my order would not be in today, and please call back some
other time. 

I was not happy, and did not care about the first guy getting the sale,
remember he did NOT call me about the problem. I canceled the first order and
placed a second for only what I really wanted and they had in stock. When I
called two days latter to check on the order I was told it should ship out in
two or three more days! 

I told them to cancel that order also and I placed my order with MacWarehouse
on the next call. Next day I had my software. Five days later the second order
from Tiger arrived! I returned the package to Tiger and told everyone in my
department to avoid them!

But then again it could be me! I think Tiger could be a great company if they
could only get a "Macintosh Way" sales/service rep!

Just my two cents,
-shane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Richard J. Gaylord <gaylord@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: peculiar way to disable pb 180 trackball
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 02:44:29 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Organization: University of Illinois
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:43:11 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75AE00D6C019B18@mm-mac24.mse.uiuc.edu>

i have found that if i am using both the external video and the ADB ports
and i boot with the shift key down (extensions off), my trackball is
inoperative but the keyboard works. can someone confirm this observation?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Subject: Re: Macintosh NewsGroups
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:39:01 GMT

Chip Benowitz (eagle@silver.lcs.mit.edu) wrote:
: 
: What are all of the macintosh newsgroups?
: please tell me all the comp.sys.mac.*, and others you know...

I see at least the following at our site:

bit.mailserv.word-mac
comp.binaries.mac                Encoded Macintosh programs in binary. (Moderated)
comp.lang.forth.mac              The CSI MacForth programming environment.
comp.lang.lisp.mcl               Discussing Apple's Macintosh Common Lisp.
comp.sources.mac                 Software for the Apple Macintosh. (Moderated)
comp.sys.mac
comp.sys.mac.advocacy            The Macintosh computer family compared to others.
comp.sys.mac.announce            Important notices for Macintosh users. (Moderated)
comp.sys.mac.apps                Discussions of Macintosh applications.
comp.sys.mac.comm                Discussion of Macintosh communications.
comp.sys.mac.databases           Database systems for the Apple Macintosh.
comp.sys.mac.digest              Apple Macintosh: info&uses, but no programs. (Moderated)
comp.sys.mac.games               Discussions of games on the Macintosh.
comp.sys.mac.hardware            Macintosh hardware issues & discussions.
comp.sys.mac.hypercard           The Macintosh Hypercard: info & uses.
comp.sys.mac.misc                General discussions about the Apple Macintosh.
comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3
comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
comp.sys.mac.programmer          Discussion by people programming the Apple Macintosh.
comp.sys.mac.system              Discussions of Macintosh system software.
comp.sys.mac.wanted              Postings of "I want XYZ for my Mac."
comp.unix.aux                    The version of UNIX for Apple Macintosh II computers.
misc.forsale.computers.mac       Apple Macintosh related computer items.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: triantos@netcom.Netcom.COM (Nick B Triantos)
Subject: Re: When SoftPC meets viruses from PC world...?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:55:53 GMT

Depending upon what PC virus(es) you infect SoftPC with, you could:
- Ruin the data in the Mac file that represents your PC hard drive, but
  cause zero damage physically to your real Mac drive.
- Possibly (but doubtfully) crash SoftPC, because it encounters an error
  trying to boot from a damaged drive.

I encountered this exact problem once, and, because it happened during the
early stages of using SoftPC, I just recreated a new C: drive, and trashed
the old one.

By the way, why is this in comp.sys.mac.wanted?  Don't bother replying, just
think about it.  Hmm.

-Nick

-Nick Triantos                     Avoid bus errors... Take the train!

I may work in Claris Technical Support, but not when I'm logged in on
the Internet... 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: siegel@world.std.com (Rich Siegel)
Subject: Re: Will ants do harm to the computer?
Organization: GCC Technologies
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:29:52 GMT

In article <C07K04.KrD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> chang hsu liu <cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>I found 20-30 ants living in the transceiver for the Mac. Although I
>couldn't find any in the Mac now, I am afraid they might do this
>in the future. Is there any wisdom on this matter? I guess it's not
>a good idea to let them live peacefully close to my Mac, but I don't
>know a best way to prevent them from doing so. Is there any
>chemicals that I could put on the desk that will prevent them even
>moving closer to furniture?

You can purchase ant traps at any drugstore, hardware store, or grocery
store. They're small circular things that you place in any location that
you think the ants frequent; they'll attract the ants, and that'll be the
end of it.

In an old job I had a minor problem with ants entering my Mac Plus
through the ventilation slots - every once in a while there'd be a
spit from the power supply, the screen would jump, and I knew that
another ant went to ant heaven...

I don't think they ever did any damage to the computer; on the other
hand, it can be distasteful to pop open your machine and encounter
a bunch of dead (or living) ants...

R.



-- 
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Senior Software Engineer
GCC Technologies
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Apple SOS Service is AMAZING!  (NOT!)
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:08:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec26.041758.21630@cs.brown.edu>, omh@cs.brown.edu (Owen M.
Hartnett) wrote:
> 
> Sorry, Leonard, but I've got a sour taste after using SOS myself.
> 
> Here's the history:
> 
> Trackball on 180 freezes after returning from sleep mode.  You can make this
> repeat if you try it at least 10 times and/or let the machine sleep for at
> least 4 minutes.
> 
> ...
> 
> Note: in case you still think that this is software, I also backed up and
> reformatted the hard drive, in case it was in some driver that lived on
> the disk and got loaded in a startup.  Still freezes.

This _is_ software.  There is an experimental INIT on the Developer CD
called ADBReInit that reduces the problem but doesn't quite fix it.  At
least my PB 140 still freezes up occasionally.

The problem is a result of a bug in the ROM which causes memory to move
during a call to ADBReInit.  This bug is present in the PowerBooks (not the
100) and the Quadras, but the Quadras don't encounter it because they don't
sleep.  When the PB wakes up it calls ADBReInit and if memory moves in the
wrong way SLAM! it freezes.

There is a program called ResetADB (I got it off Sumex) that can fix this
problem.  I launch it from Hypercard, which I always have running, and it
brings the trackball back to life.  That pretty much _proves_ it is
software.

Jon
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:21046 comp.sys.mac.system:15486
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:09:36 IST
From: Noam G. Nudelman <P88038@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: disabling extensions


Hi,

  I am interested in changing some system extensions so that
when I hold the Shift botton down while booting, they will NOT be
disabled.

  Any help will be appreciated.


                                     Noam

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  Computer Center            Internet:  noam@erez.cc.biu.ac.il   | (o)(o)
  Bar-Ilan University        Telephone: 972-3-531-8627           |    __)
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   |   /
Picard: "Sometimes, Number One, you just have to...bow to the absurd".
                                  -- "Up The Long Ladder", Stardate 42
From: erict@panix.com (Eric Tiffany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Apple SOS Service is AMAZING!
Date: 25 Dec 92 16:20:21 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec24.174645.16190@netcom.com> leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:

>I don't normally write this type of article, but I had such a WONDERFUL
>experience this week, I wanted to share it.

Just the opposite of mine.  I think if SOS-APPL can fix your machine
by swapping a board (or a track-ball) that's fine, but if it requires
any thought or complexity, then your better off going to a local or
third-party place. 

I had a problem with my 170 freezing with lines across the display.  I
was told by various people (including two authorized and trained apple
techs) that this was a problem with faulty oscillator connections on
the system board.  This gets worse when the machine warms up, or when
you press on the Command key too hard.  I called SOSAPPL and got them
to send me a box (after waiting a long time on hold -- I guess there
is no shortage of problems with the PBs) and I sent it out.  

I couldn't get any status info because their "computer tracking"
system was down.  I wanted them to ship it back on Saturday, but
couldn't get them to do it because of some stupidity (I was willing to
pay), and so I didn't have it for a week because I had to go out of
town on business.  

When I finally got back, I found that my PB had been returned --- WITH
MY COLOR-CARD DEINSTALLED --- and no note of any kind indicating what
had been done to the machine (other than the obvious).  I called APPL
to find out the score, and it took them a DAY to come up with the lame
excuse that they had taken out the color card and the problem went
away.  As far as I know, they didn't check anything in (or even read)
the letter I sent along with the machine

I subsequently had to send the machine back to Computer Care (makers
of BookView Imperial, my color card -- these guys are great!) to have
the card reinstalled and the system board oscillator resoldered -- now
it works fine.  This cost me a total of 3-weeks and $65.

Not a happy camper.

>My Powerbook 140's trackball has been giving me trouble for a while, and last
>weekend it finally gave out and would only move horizontally (not a good
>thing ;).  

Mine is starting to do this too --- and I almost always use a
third-party optical mouse!  What junk.  I'll take it to a dealer to
get it replaced.  (I would clean it myself, but I can't get the
goddamned trackball ring off---broke two fingernails).

ET
From: robw@acs.bu.edu (Robert Winchester)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Does the clone of Macintosh still exist?
Summary: Does the clone of Macintosh still exist?
Keywords: read-me, company name needed
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:59:38 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: robw@acs.bu.edu


   Does anyone know if a clone of the Apple Macintosh exists? I remember
reading about a company that supposedly reversed engineered a binary 
compatible system (Apple specific chips, software and the like). I can 
not find the name and address of that company. I doubt it was from the
people who made the Outbound -- that machine uses/licenses Apple stuff.
   I think, I got my information from "Mac World" some time around 
1988-1990. Any help is appreciated!

_Rob Winchester <robw@bu.edu>
-- 
#include "std.disclaimer.h"         /* Rob Winchester, ka1rnc <robw@bu.edu> */
IC. Can you C?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: owen@astro.washington.edu (Russell Owen)
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: SUIT 2.3, An easy-to-learn GUI toolkit
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:47:32 GMT

I tried an older SUIT and found:
- it is very easy to set up user interfaces, as advertised
- it is not very Mac-like. Instead, it is specifically intended to "work
the same" on any platform. In particular, the text editing is so different
that most Mac users will probably find it quite disconcerting.
- I got a fair number of crashes

Russell Owen
owen@astro.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc