HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: godura@thorin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: AIDS drug by indian firm
Keywords: patent law, US, India
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:51:55 GMT

Maybe this is simplistic, but could the patent-experts care to comment
on this solution :

1) If BW gets a patent for a certain product, then it sould get royalty
   every time the product is sold to an end user.
2) The period of time for which it gets this may be calculated and set
   at a fixed value.
3) The important point here is the amount of royalty that may be paid.
   I feel the amount of royalty that should be paid, should be decided
   according to the laws of the country in which the product is sold.
   Thus if Desi Pharmaceuticals produces the drug, then the sale price
   of the drug should include royalty that would be payable under Indian
   conditions.
   So, in fact, there should be product patenting in India too, and,
   Desi Ph. should pay royalty to BW just as if it had been another
   Indian company, and had developed the drug in India. In actual terms,
   this would be far less than if DP had to pay BW the royalty it would
   have charged an American firm.

4) Why this is feasible, and fair : 
   a) The patent monopoly period, as someone mentioned earlier takes
   into account only the domestic market in determining the time taken
   to recover the investment in R&D. Foreign markets are not predictable
   or dependable in such calculations.
   b) The price that the customer has to pay in in India, will not have
   to cover the various hidden costs the are part of what BW spent on
   developing the drug .. higher manpower costs, insurance, etc.
    ( someone else had earlier commented on the fact that third world
    consumers cannot be expected to pay the same price an American pays
    because the former does not have access to the American judicial
    system, or to the American medical system. )
   c) If Desi Pharma. wants to export the drug to any foreign country,
   royalty for the drug sold in that country must be according to that
   country's laws.
   This would allow Desi Pharma to compete on equal footing with BW in
   all markets, as well as ensure that BW does not have an unfair loss,
   in the sense that no one can just hijack the product patent and
   capture the market by undercutting.
   d) In this system, who comes out on top is decided by who can produce
   the product more efficiently and cheaply.
   e) Consumer is happy .. product is available and at a competitive
   price.
      Desi Pharma is happy .. it can compete with BW.
      BW is not too happy, but it has no right to complain, because it
      is getting a fair royalty.

Of course the bone of contention is "WHAT IS FAIR ROYALTY", or if the
method for calculating royalty I suggested is fair.

Comments ?

Note to Thek-bhai-ra,
Guru, ektu khoma koro. Maajhe maajhe aantellectual kotha korte hoy,
Repootashaan-er bapaar.
Ektu opise baestho aachchi, theke ektu pore dekha korbo.
-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Subject: Re: Sneaky posts from women's net
Keywords: sleazeballs, sleazebuckets,poker,BIG JOB, Dating. 	  Hang lose on the Caboose !
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:50:53 GMT

okay, it's bad form to follow-up to one's own posts. deal with it.

In <1993Jan12.175835.12012@cirrus.com> venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:

>In <1isqbnINNrg5@shelley.u.washington.edu> shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu
>(Shams Hasan) writes in response to Suasan:
				     ^^^^^^
i mean, susan. really. 

>>It seems you know little about Indian men in general. And of course, Indian
>>women"s idle gossip in particular.

>absolutely. i totally agree with shyam here, and doubt your veracity in
				  ^^^^^
i mean, shams. really

>denying fafat's summary of the "women's net" (nice!), susan. after all, one
>cannot doubt the accuracy of fafat's "mole" over your being *merely* a list
>member. i mean, you must have missed those juicy posts. or maybe there is a
>conspiracy in the list against you. or...  

>for the clue-deprived, before you flame me, dial 1-800-4AS-MILEY.

and that number was 1-800-4SM-ILEY. my mistake.
-- 
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
and wrong.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: In the wake of RamaJanmaBhoomi
Keywords: RamJanmaBhoomi, Babri
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:36:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.000919.7229@cs.wayne.edu> psubbu@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Ponnuswamy Subburajan) writes:
>In article <C0EJrt.7As@cs.mcgill.ca> prakash@cs.mcgill.ca (Prakash Panangaden) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.231908.15986@news.uiowa.edu> abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:

>When the rest of the
>world is thinking about super computers and artificial intelligence, these 
>fundamentalists are fighting for Ram Temple.  India will never improve...
>
>							-Subbu

Ayyo! Ayyo! Ayyo! Ore level guru! Maha joku! If the rest of the world
is thiking about artifical intelligence, we as indians should always
wish that they should be Sarvada thinking about AI. Subbuu! oh!  Subbuuuu!
use some natutural thinking.

...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mkagrawa@eos.ncsu.edu (MANI KANT AGRAWAL)
Subject: IIT
Originator: mkagrawa@c00415-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mkagrawa@eos.ncsu.edu (MANI KANT AGRAWAL)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:00:18 GMT


I am trying to find out if there is a newsgroup for IITians. If you know
then please leave a message. Thank you.

 Mani Agrawal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Please Make me Bengali [ Bengali culture for net.bhadraloks] -- Icarus.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:13:44 GMT

godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura) writes:

>In article <C09Fp3.1rD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>Thik, kintu cams ceegaaraite malta abar ki ? Dasu beta ei brand ti
>rakhto na. Mashi ba Wahid-er thekeo eta pai ni.
>Pinku, Rintu, Neta, Paaka, Laaki, keu eta khai ni.
>Lojjae matha neme galo, guru.
>Bari giye ai komi dur korbo. Gojaldar thikana ti likhe dio, baap.
>Ruchir.


Naa Naa guru, boodho bhul huaiya gechae. Ati cams na .Ati holo chams. Abar thik
doharti parle to. Gojalda ki nea earki na. Bodo mani guni lok. Bakimchanda,
Harischanda teki nea chase obdi sob ketchu porechan. Maradonar golta keno
phoske gelo, t.v te dekhi thik bola deti paran. Bhat chara ketchu bolan na.
Chakri kujjan kento thik chakri ta pachen na.

Nishit

>-- 
>Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sunil.d.patil)
Subject: Please mail me a copy of 'x+1' syndrome!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:11:20 GMT

	
	Hi netters,

	If anyone has a copy of 'X+1' syndrome and an article
	recently published in 'The Hindu' in India abot the
	living style of NRI in the US.  My friend who is with
	Westinghouse in Pittsburgh desperately needs to get
	hold of these articles.  Please mail me, if someone
	has these articles.  ThankX

	Sunil Patil
	AT&T Bell Labs
	Whippany, NJ 07971

	e_mail : patil@whamr.att.com
	Ph. # (201)-386-3843
	Fax   (201)-386-3116
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (xyz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:  NY Times Letter to Editor 12/31/92 About 1947, Ayodhya, etc.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:06:39 GMT
Organization: Human Genome Center at LBL
Distribution: world
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (xyz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov


In article <9301060237.AA17707@ho13.eng.ua.edu>, bkannan@ho13.eng.ua.edu
(Balaji Kannan) writes:
|> 
|> imran anwar posts from NYT:
|> ****************************************************************
|>                "Time to Undo Damage of Indian Partition"
|>               -----------------------------------------------
|>             [...]
|>             [......]
|> >        Sincerely
|> >        Amer Mufti
|> *************************************************************
|> 
|>      Mr. Mufti has his head screwed the wrong way! [has no clue about 
|>      Indian society & history]     A Paki propagandaist?           
|>      bk 

        I beg to differ about the orientation of Mr. Mufti's head.
	He might be wrong in his views, but the fact remains that he
	has been far more successful in propagating his views than 
	you have been. So, even if his view is askew, he achieved
	what he had set out to do, which was to spread his mis-information
	around.

	The difference is that Mufti mia's letter was read by millions
	of people, some of whom are influential in commerce, industry
	and politics, whereas our discussion is read largely by a 
	non-voting, immigrant student populace that has little wealth,
	less power and no influence.

	If we really wish to combat this kind of sponsored  propaganda,
	the best way is to write to NYT itself and get our opinions 
	aired in the same forum.

        Jai Bharat
	Prem!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:43813 soc.culture.tamil:5112 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1668
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Sneaky posts from women's net
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:00:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: sleazeballs, sleazebuckets,poker,BIG JOB, Dating. 	  Hang lose on the Caboose !

Venu Nayar writes:

>absolutely. i totally agree with shyam here, and doubt your veracity in
>denying fafat's summary of the "women's net" (nice!), susan. after all, one
>cannot doubt the accuracy of fafat's "mole" over your being *merely* a list
>member. i mean, you must have missed those juicy posts. or maybe there is a
>conspiracy in the list against you. or...  


	1] Susan was on vacation for some time and the "girls" decided
	   to discuss good things before the matron returned :)
	2] Susan does'nt read the net carefully and evens yawns occasionally.
	3] Susan's mail is being tampered with.
	4] Susan is practising being an Indian politician and is overtly
	   denying what is covertly practised. :)


>
>for the clue-deprived, before you flame me, dial 1-800-4AS-MILEY.
>-- 
>Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
>Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
>For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
>and wrong.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Maintainer for Travel Survey needed ...
Organization: Arizona State U., Valley of the Sun(s), AZ USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:16:36 GMT

	Since the travel survey has not been maintained for too long
now, anybody who is willing to take over as the maintainer is
requested to email me <sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> or Jayesh Desai
<jcd@cblph.att.com>. Please don't mail requests for the travel survey.
The procedure to get it is given below. Please mail only if you would
be able to post/update the survey once a month.

To get the survey, use gopher to access enuxva.eas.asu.edu (port 9000).
Using a Unix command line client "gopher enuxva.eas.asu.edu 9000" is
quite sufficient. The rest of the setup is self-explanatory.
Information about gopher may be found in the comp.infosystems.gopher FAQ.

Sridhar.
--
Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: In the wake of RamaJanmaBhoomi
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:19:08 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Keywords: RamJanmaBhoomi, Babri

|   In the wake of recent events in India, we need a GOI that is willing to make the following
| decisions as soon as possible:
|
|     1) Enforce uniform civil code for all indians ( including all minorities).
|
|     2) Form a special relationship with Israel (like the one between Israel and US).
|        Co-operate closely with Israel in areas of defence, fight against terrorism, 
|        sharing intelligence, etc.
|
|  Only one party is capable of providing such a govt. That's BJP.  


    I whole heartedly second your opinion.  
    
    When the political parties start treating  people from different ethnic and 
    religious groups not as vote banks but as equal citizens of a democratic 
    country, when there is de-centralization of economic and political power, 
    when the govt. stops its socialist experiments, when the govt. is ready to 
    stand up against any insult to India, Hindus, Sikhs and other non-muslims by 
    the fundamentalist regimes of middle-east (like blatant discrimination and 
    humiliating treatment of hindus and other non-muslims including the denial of 
    their right to practise their religion in Saudi Arabia), when the govt. is 
    ready to extend balanced treatment for the right of Israel to exist and defend 
    herself from terrorist activities vis-a-vis the rights of the Palestinians,  
    when the Govt. stops accepting humiliating demands by countries like Saudi 
    Arabia (e.g. non-muslim ambassodor to Saudi Arabia);  
    Then and only then there will be peace in India!

    Because only when we have one law we can hope to achieve one people.    
        
      -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only!

-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap)
Subject: Wanted: Data Modelers, also C, C++ skills
Keywords: UNIX, C, C++, RDBMS, Object Oriented 
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:41:30 GMT

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but since so many of you are IIT-tech-weenies...  :)
Please skip forward now if you are not interested
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------------------------------------------------------

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and recruits from top colleges to create an energetic
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We have offices in several cities across the U.S. and
in Europe. We are expanding these offices and opening
new ones in 1993 and are in the process of recruiting
staff to participate on projects out of these offices
as well as the head office in Cambridge, MA. 

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and are in IMMEDIATE NEED OF STAFF WHO ARE EXPERIENCED
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^ Preeti Anissa Gholap ^ CTP Inc. ^ 304 Vassar St. ^ Cambridge MA 02139 USA ^
^ pghol@ctp.com        ^          ^ (617)374-9800  ^                        ^
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:43636 soc.culture.tamil:5052
From: sista@engr.LaTech.edu (Ravi K. Sista)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: I fucked a cow and liked it.
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:34:13 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hemalatha Vellanki (hema@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
: You should all try this.  Now you can still fuck your wife even after
: shes dead.  Really I swear bessie looks at me funny now but she does 
: have a nice tight hole.

: (Fuck you all)

	HOW CAN SUCH INDECENT LANGUAGE BE ALLOWED TO BE PRINTED IN THE
INDIAN NET.  I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS SORT OF ARTICLE BEING POSTED AND
THAT TOO FROM A WOMAN.

	FLAMES ARE WELCOME,

RAVI KUMAR SISTA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:56:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.140020.14275@umiami.ir.miami.edu> dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:

>TO:Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
>   others who post *really* obscene and offensive material
>FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
>	Indignant and frustrated readers
>REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
>	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN
>After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
>to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, ....
                                                         ^^^^ 

		 O how much more pompous can we get?

George Chacko

Education: That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the
foolish their lack of understanding. Ambrose Bierce, Cynic's Word Book
(1906)




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: usenet@almserv.uucp
Subject: test
Organization: x
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:58:34 GMT

message test.
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Eve-teasing is a symptom of a greater disease.
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:38:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Balaji Kannan writes:
Bijoy Sagar writes:
  
>> up in an environment where friendships were not gender-based, these
>> people can never quit being defensive. So every friendly gesture
>                                                           ^^^^^^^
>> ( a phone call, a hand shake) will be conceived as a pass.
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^

> 			and why not? :-) :-)

You are missing the point Kannan. I guess I know better ways to
make a pass, the opinions of the posters in the women's net notwithstanding:-)
However, it is really painful when you aren't making a pass but
the other person gets that feeling. I am very careful with all 
non-xavierites if I am to extend my hands in friendship... 

> Btw, a society can be CHAUVINISTIC and still tackle eve-teasing;
> NOT that it is desirable. 

	Now this is what I call "treating the symptom". Sexual
harassment/eve-teasing is a symptom of a greater social disease. 
And chauvinism accounts for the disease on the whole. In the US,
chauvinism exists to a large extent at least beneath the surface
and that accounts for sh in this country.

	As for mystifying the opposite sex, aren't you curious about
something that you have never known personally, but have heard about?
The trouble is that the subject of discussion here is not a *thing* but 
*human body* which belongs to another human.( I am making the necessary
distinction between the body and the person because the eve-teaser 
is only responding to the body in most of the cases) And that creats
the trouble because he is violating the social code of conduct.

	The hypocrisy associated with gender relations goes very deep.
In social occasions, the average Indian calls his neighbor "bhai" or
"behen" undermining the natural and healthy attraction one feels towards
a member of the opposite sex. ( Some of my friends used to say that
"bhai" and "behen" have incestuous connotations:-)) Dr.Prakash Kothari
writes that Indians have the highest "dysfunctional libido" in the whole
world. 

	I guess it is time to talk in the open about the social framework
of our nation which inhibits an entire population into hierarchial submission.
And by talk, I did not mean the name-calling and defensive-bickering that
goes on every time women and men confront each other with this topic.

Bijoy
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: divaka@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Visa Query - Urgent
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:17:12 GMT


Hello!

 A friend of mine who does not have net access needs some 
visa information. If you have any information on the following,
please send it to

   divaka@rpi.edu

and I will forward it to my friend.

Thanks,
  Ajay

  ---------------------------------


Hello!

I would appreciate any information from knowledgeable net-folks
on the following visa questions.

 Situation: I am in H-1 status. Plan to get married next week.
 My fiance is a student, she is on F-1, currently doing some
 practical training which ends in April '93. She may become
 a student again in Fall '93.

 Qs: How does one file for a H-4 status for her? Do I file it?
 My school? Her present scool? What forms need to be filled?
 What are the documents needed? How long does the processing
 take? Can one request the date on which we want H-4 status to
 begin?

 She needs to be on H-4 in the period between April and start
 of the fall semester at least. Is it hard to convert from H-4 
 to F-1 again?

 We may apply for GC in the near future. Can I apply for both
 of us? Does her status have any bearing on the GC aplication?

I do not read the net groups often. I would appreciate it very much
if those who have some information on any of these questions can
e-mail their information to the above address. If many people are
interested, I can summarize the responses I get.

Many thanks!
From: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: The Start of a New Beginning
Keywords: Ayodhya, Hindu, Muslim, secular, history, politics
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:43:16 GMT
Reply-To: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Organization: Iowa State University


 So, what does Mr. Kamath eventually have to say ? That all Indian political
parties are promoting a very narrow, potentially dangerous form of religious
bigotry ? Where do the broad minded Indians, ( I bet they are in a majority )
look to for solace ? I think all this will eventually lead the Indian people to
look for fresh political alternatives. The emergence of new political forces on
the Indian political scene seems inevitable.