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From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:25:22 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

I'm on the other side of this guide vs riding alone argument because I
was a wrangler for four seasons at a guest ranch in the Rocky
Mountains.  First and foremost, there is always safety in numbers. 
Freak accidents do occur; people and horses do get hurt.  I personally
hate to ride alone for this very reason.  Beyond this though, guests
should not ride alone for some of the reasons listed below. 

1.  Even if you think you are an experienced rider (own your own horse
ride everyday) what do you know about the horse you are currently on? 
Do you know his fears, strengths, weaknesses?  There are very few
people who are good pick up riders, and they tend to get paid, not
pay, to ride horses.  Often times it is the semi-literate horseperson
who makes the worst mistakes because they are as "fresh" with the
ranch's horse as they are with their own.  As they say, a little
knowledge can be dangerous.  Sample guest horror stories: 

Wrap the reins around the saddle horn, turn backwards and start <they
usually don't get too far into the process :^) > to untie a slicker.

Just plain drop a rein <at the trot or canter>, because they are too
proud to tie a knot in the ends. 

Wrap reins around saddle horn and start taking pictures with a camera
that has an automatic winder.

Get off and tie your horse with reins to a downed tree branch.


2.  You may be an experienced horse person, but what do you know about
the lay of the land?  Are you ready to jump a three foot downed tree
that unfortunately happens to be just around the corner of an
otherwise wide and level stretch of path, perfect for cantering? 
Examples of the places which guests deem perfect for "reasonable"
cantering. 

An open field.  <sure looks great! you could really pick up some speed
and it would be just like that perfume commercial....  Yowwww! Where
did all of these bagger/prairie dog holes come from>

Down a creek.  <Oh but its so cool when the water splashes up>

Off trail through the sage brush < I still haven't figured this one
out?! Personally it always scared the pee out of me!>

Up a hill  <charge!!!! Give no quarter>

Have I mentioned yet that guests also love to chase steer?  I guess it
make them feel like real cowboys!  This is also a great way to pissoff
your neighbors who have kindly given you permission to ride across
their land. 

Ok before I get off my soapbox, let me finish with a flame....


In article <SUSAN.92Jul27192650@wimpie.noaapmel.gov> susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott) writes:

>, and the horses know where they are allowed to canter and won't do
>it on any other part of the trail!  Heh.  Smart horses.  
 
No Susan, inexperienced rider!  If you don't have the ability to
dictate your horse's gait at any and all times during a ride, you have
no business being out by yourself. 

Phew! I'll get off my high horse now.... 


-Carol
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: snobby breeders
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:51:21 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

>In article <1992Jul20.195606.19420@informix.com> davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
>
>Just a thought, but from experience I have found that sometimes the
>"hired help" are the snooty ones, whereas the owners/breeders themselves
>are anything but (for the reason you cite: it is *their* bread and
>butter).  As the person the original poster spoke to was evidently
>*not* the breeder, this could well be the case.  
>
Let me clarify this again!  I am relatively certain that the person
I spoke to WAS in fact the breeder/owner.  And I DID in fact call
for an appointment before even trying to see the place.  They had
a sign on their gate which said "Visitors by Appointment Only",
which necessitated that approach.  However, the sign should have
read "No Visitors At All, Ever".

Thanks to all of you who have responded to my original post.  The
general feeling from both breeders and buyers seems to be that it
is best to make an appointment first, but having done that, there
is no excuse for being treated rudely, or as in my case, refused
a visit.  A couple of people made excuses for the breeder, such as
possible theft or animal rightists attacks.  IMHO, that is reason
to be cautious, but not to be rude.

And no, I haven't been turned off of warmbloods, only False Bay Farm!

Sarah Pallas
(unfortunately horseless at the moment)
From: shoopak@romulus.rutgers.edu (-r.)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Equine Viral Arteritis - quarantine in New England, corrected
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:40:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

What is the news about Connecticut?  Is that EVA, too?  The news seemed to
mention that the riders were to be quarantined with their horses for 48 hrs.

Now, is it EVA, or something on the order of Hoof'n'Mouth?

I'm curious, because I have a whole 4-H fair down here, and the owners of the
horses are concerned about any other diseases, not to mention the fact that
the leader of the club's daughter has H'n'M, and she >still< lets the girl
"play" around the other animals, sooo...I want to put some minds at rest...

-r.
Xref: sparky rec.equestrian:3582 rec.sport.olympics:1265
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cheated already!
Keywords: fie on NBC
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:55:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul28.122633.29199@hubcap.clemson.edu> sandi@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sandi Piazza) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.011557.21839@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson) writes:
>>Wow!  They didn't even wait 48 hours to cheat PPV subscribers -
>>the 1:45 segment of 3-day dressage that was supposed to air this
>>morning (Monday) at 7:15AM wasn't there - instead, we were "treated"
>>to Greco-Roman wrestling.  I've heard various stories from 
>>1-800-OLYMPICS about _why_ I didn't see what I paid for (this AM
>>it was "technical difficulties - it'll be on at 7:15PM", tonight
>>it was "someone decided that the American wrestler was more interesting
>>than the Austrialian eventer"), but it all boils down to the fact
>>that I missed 1 hour and 45 minutes of coverage that was the *only*
>>reason I bought PPV.
>>
>>Supposedly thousands have called to complain.  If _you_ got rooked,
>>too, try the 1-800-OLYMPICS number, but don't let them send you off
>>to customer service - all I got was a run-around.  I *did* get a
>>NY phone number out of the guy at OLYMPICS - I'd post the number here,
>>but I"m afraid they'll just disconnect it if they get too many calls.
>>(What the hell - it's 212-664-2813 - supposedly the guy's a VP.  I got
>>his phonemail, so...)
>>
>>Geez.  I _do_ hope they'll show the full 6:30 of x-country on Wednesday -
>>otherwise, I'll be *really* mad.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Pat Wilson
>>Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
>>paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu
>
>
>Thanks Pat ... you saved me a lot of time on the phone !!!!! What is the
>name of the guy whose number you gave us? (I like to knoiw the name of
>the person I'm fussing at !!!!!) I was totally ticked off to discover
>that instead of 3 hours of 3-Day dressage we got only a little over 45
>minutes (by the way ... the 4:15 segment started at 4:05 ... so set
>those vcr's early!).
>  
>            Sandi


The guy's name is Dave Lake - yes I also left him a messge expressing
my feelings of OUTRAGE!  Why are equestrian events always short-changed?
Are there really more fans of Greco-Roman wrestling than equestrian events?
I seriously doubt it.

Anyway, I am also taping the Triplecast (as best I can with their cock-eyed
schedules).  If anyone is interested in tapes, I will be attempting to
copy them myself and will try to get all the equestrian events recorded.

Let me know.

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
(708) 892-3723
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: western riding and helmets
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 06:39:13 EDT
 edu> <1992Jul17.160853.4831@ulowell.ulowell.edu><1992Jul19.043934.21854@nmsu.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I can't believe that Ken said that interest in the finest sport will continue
to decline.  I don't see any decline here in the Northeast, that's for sure.
Try to get a place at a good boarding stable, even with the inflated prices.
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
Keywords: ground reining
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:07:07 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

In article <1992Jul23.161513.15707@intelhf.hf.intel.com> brett@brett.intel.com (Brett Branch) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>I've been around horses all my life, but find myself training a two-year-old
>Arab for the first time. He works really well with a lunge line, even with
>the reins and me on his back. Next we had my wife stand in the center of our
>arena, as if she was lunging him, but I was on him with the reins controlling
>him (no lunge line). I tried, as the next step, to ride him around the arena
>without my wife in the center, but then the colt seemed to get lost. As soon
>as my wife left, he no longer seemed to know what was expected.
>I'm hoping the collective wisdom of the net can help me find an effective
>method to take this handsome, well-mannered colt to the next level. (ground

I think that ground driving is an excellent way to start a young
horse.  You can move in circles or go straight, practice halting or
moving out.  There are many books that can help you get started, but
better yet, do you have access to a trainer who can work with you?  If
you and your colt start with a firm driving foundation, you will be
able to fall back on it later should problems arise [balking, barn
sourness, rearing etc].

Good Luck

-Carol
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: IN SEARCH OF RIDING -- NYC?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:57:17 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Jul28.214223.4667@u.washington.edu>, jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes...
> 
>BTW, I find it kind of amusing that I can't find a decent guided trail ride
>or a non-guided ride anywhere across the U.S. (well, it seems that way
>sometimes! :-)   except for right in the middle of New York City!  
>Claremont Stables, right off Central Park, still lets people that they've
>never seen before go out alone with horses through the NYC traffic to
>the bridle trails on Central Park.  Amazing.  The horses I've ridden there
>have been responsive and well-mannered, too (and I'm always careful to
>ride them lightly and bring them back cool!)
> 

Is this the place on W. 89th or so?  My brother lives within a block of
it and riders often walk down W. 88th (where he lives) on their way to 
the park.  It seems strange to see this stable in such an urban area! 
My brother has witnessed some minor confrontations between the riders
and street people in that area (nothing dangerous, just name-calling).

He never inquired at the stable, but was under the impression that there
was no public renting, just lessons and rambles in the park for their
students.  Also that a lot of the riders he saw going past his apartment
were on their own horses that they stabled at the place.  Are these
impressions incorrect?  What are the rates like?

Laurie
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Babies and halters
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:53:38 GMT
	<1992Jul27.233857.9582@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: aviator@athena.mit.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 23:38:57 GMT


I myself think a horse should be trained to be catchable
with or without the halter on. If the horse is well enough
trained to let you get close enough to grab the halter,
it should also be well enough trained to let you slip
the lead around it's nech so you can hold it while you
put the halter on.

My horse is a mooch, so he's easy to do this to. My wife's
thinks it's a game, and will play with you for about half
a minute before condescending to being caught. Sigh : Arabs !
Too dang smart for my likin' ! ;-)

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: work in Great Britain?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:23:04 GMT

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A good friend of mine is trying to find a job in the horse industry
in Great Britain. Her background is with showjumping and English
equitation, and she is great with young horses.

Does anyone have any contacts in England, or know of anyone who
needs a rider or groom there?

Kim is 20 years old, eternally friendly and good-humored, and will
get along with anyone. Her mother is a trainer here in California,
and Kim is well-known among the training community as a talented,
easy-to-work-with, businesslike "catch rider." Her smiling
disposition may even last through the interminable British winter!

Anyway, please respond to me if you have any leads. She would like
to leave in late August or early September, so speed is of the
essence if it is at all possible.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

-gwyn gordon

p.s.: She would be willing to work in other disciplines, but would
prefer showjumping. Thanks again!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Shows, kids and novice classes
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:45:29 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


I've just GOT to brag, the youngest of the three girls who show my old
gelding came out of the show today with a second and three thirds!  And
one of the classes had 11 riders in it!  She got her second in the halter
class, even though Tar wasn't very cooperative, she handled him like a 
trooper, working with him to make him stand still and straight.  The judge
was wonderful to all the kids, gave lots of information on what they did
right *and* wrong and told Sue that she was just fantastic!  

I wish you all could have seen the novice horsemanship class.  The judge
posted the pattern all the kids had to ride, they had to start at cone A,
trot to cone B, stop, turn right trot to cone C, stop, back up a few steps
and then trot to cone D.  Well, Sue got in there, got entirely flustered,
evidently decided that overkill was the best option and backed at ALL the
cones, just to make sure she didn't miss the right one!  And she came in
third so you can just guess how badly all the others did.  One little fella
on a very fat pony just wandered down the line at a walk, eventually ending
up going the wrong direction and having to be directed by the ring master.
There were mothers at the rail, trying to signal quietly to all the kids,
enough hand signals for a softball game!   Novice classes are such a hoot!

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.173400.8705@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, brett@brett.intel.com (Brett Branch) writes...
> 
>I was not asking for a flame war about the maturity of horses. Just like 
>children go school, the sooner a horse is worked with the sooner he learns.
>And the better. I am not looking to take this 2 year-old out on trail rides,
>but rather teach him the basics in a small paddock. I am not over working
>him, I am trianing him for 1 to 1 and 1/2 hours at a time three or four times
>a week. 

>Horses need something to do and learn or they will
>get bored and hard to work with. Like I said, I've been around horses all
>my life, I know how they grow and mature. I just want some ideas on how
>to teach
>this colt the right things.
> 
>	Brett
> 

I believe that the previous posters who suggested waiting until the horse was
older were specifically referring to horses of the Arabian breed. Arabians are
very slow to mature and should not be saddle trained 1.5 hours 3 or 4 times
per week. Ground training is a great idea in short intervals, but Arabians
are not Quarter horses. They don't mature as rapidly and their bone structure
simply is not ready for that amount of work at age 2. Start your ground training
now and wait until the horse is at least 3 years old before starting the saddle
training. It is not at all unusual for an Arabian to be going strong into their
20's (I've known at least one that was over 30!) if they are not pushed too
quickly. You can teach this colt respect and manners from the ground just as
easily as from on his back. You don't lose anything by waiting a year and you
risk a great deal by proceeding at your current pace.

Not a flame, just friendly advice from someone who is probably more familiar
with the Arabian breed...

Barbara Roy, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA. 52242
Meadowacres Arabians
Internet: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu     Bitnet: broyva@uiamvs
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: interbreeding (was: help need friend)
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:41:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ



>I think you'll find that it's  "Burchell's zebra"

>and "quagga"

>Sorry to be pedantic ...

>      Sha-Dar


	So sue me.

					Tracy and everybody
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: gymkhanas in the States
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:51:50 GMT


#In article <1992Jul24.110742.5886@sniap.mchp.sni.de>, Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.
> In article <3030332@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
#>>- Musical chairs.  Have chairs in the middle of the arena.
#>>  Horse and riders walk in circle around chairs.  When the music
#>>  stops, the riders dismount and take a chair.  There is one
#>>  less chair than riders.  The person who doesn't get a chair
#>>  is out.  One chair is removed, and the process starts over
#>>  again until only one person remains.
#>
I remember playing this as Musical Tires with tires set out in the center of
the ring placed fairly close. When the music stopped the rider had to jump
off and place 1 foot in the next tire (and not lose the horse).

I remember Egg and Spoon too! Could be very messy, especially if you had a
good saddle! Recently, we had a little game day and they had a potato race.
They used potatoes, naturally, and wooden spoons. Basically, much less
messy but more difficult because the spoons are VERY shallow and potatoes
are VERY irregular. But still lots of fun! (We took 2nd place. Had to
throw that in! Sorry)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: yawning ?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:04:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.213504.3088@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.141039.16646@pbs.org>, mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>> 
>> I just read something in a magazine last night and I
>> just had to post and get comments.  it said that horses
>> can't yawn.  But I know that when Quest is bored and
>> is forced to stand and wait for something (like the
>> farrier or braiding) he starts yawning--and he yawns
>> really big too.  Could this be something other than yawning,
>> or could it be that horses really do yawn?
>
>I've read that in a magazine also.  All I can say is, the person who originally
>wrote that just didn't have much to do with horses, of course they yawn.  It
>seems to be one of those urban myths that just keep getting reprinted.
>
>> 


  I have to say that I believe that every animal yawns , I guess it all 
depends on what a yawn actually is, or what purpose it serves. I know 
that for humans it is to add depleted oxygen to the brain, like after a 
nap or being in a relaxed state. This is also when I notice horses yawn 
too . I thought a yawn was just opening the mouth wide and taking in a 
lot of air.



  Pam
From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Drugging horses for sale
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Pam writes:
"As for drugging, I have seen sedatives in catalogs that are organically 
based and do not show up on any tests."

In addition, any endogenously occuring substances such as some steroids can fail to be
detected on drug screening.  My vet also cautioned me during his prepurchase exam 
that if an area was locally injected with steroids or other NSAIDs to mask some
joint or muscle pain, there was a possibility that his test would fail to detect such minute amounts of the drug.  Regardless of the fact that I trusted the owner, and
had the horse at my stables for three days, I still went ahead with the test.  My 
philosophy was basically the same as the vet's: an oz. of prevention.... 

Jill and the Just Say No horse, Bliss
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 21:55:54 GMT
Subject: Re: 2x4 eating animals.
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

In rec.equestrian, mlinda@ca.novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:

    I need to find out what y'all paint on wood to keep your 
    horses from chewing the boards to bits.  The reason I
    was concerned over bothering anyone is that I need to get
    this info to my Dad because his wife's *dog* keeps chewing
    up the fence (a big enough section for a full sized Golden
    Retriever to get through easily!).  I suggested cresote (sp),
    and figured that you guys would know if there is anything 
    else that works.

Creasote is illegal.  It used to be used for railroad ties and
such, but has been found to be very bad for the environment.
So, it is not available to the consumer.

I use Carbolinium.  You can buy it in brown or clear.  It tastes
terrible (so my horses say).  It is non-toxic as well.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,rec.sport.olympics
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: Cheated already!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:56:03 GMT
Keywords: fie on NBC


I called  212-664-2813 to complain about the shortchanged equestrian
coverage Monday on the TripleCast.  It's worth calling: a very polite
person answered the phone (not yet stressed out by the complaints!) and
logged the complaint, giving me the option of asking Dave Lake to call
back (he's VP of Consumer something-or-other) - which I declined, figuring
lots of logged complaints would be just as effective.  She said many
people had been calling.  The story she heard was there was a technical problem
at Barcelona, and plans were to proceed with equestrian events as scheduled
for the rest of the TripleCast.

It only took a minute, and I urge other disapointed Triplecast purchasers
to do the same - this has the side effect of making the equestrian audience
*really* visable to NBC.

Kathy Wilber