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From: wjtomer@cs.pitt.edu (Bill Tomer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Races in Israel for 1993
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:17:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

The following is a list of races scheduled in Israel for 1993.  If you wish
for more information do NOT contact me.  I am posting this for friends.

If you want more information or are planning a trip to Israel and want to
race contact:
	
		Shlomo Assayag
		27 Bashary Street
		Rehovot 76532
		ISRAEL

		Phone #:  (Country code: 972)  8-457-254	

Note:   To race in Israel you must present a valid bicycle racing license and
	a health insurance card.  If you wish to race send a copy of the
	previously mentioned information to the address above.  Send the
	information in about 6 weeks before arriving.  The races are all
	amateur junior and senior events (together). 
 
The races are:

January 9:    Road Race; 65km, flat, starting point Ramle.  The gearing is
	      limited to 52/15.

January 30:   Criterium; 60km, held in Herzelia.  The gearing is limited to
	      52/15.

February 20:  Road Race; 100km, hilly, starting point near Ramle.

March 6,7:    Stage Race; 3 stages.  Two stages road, one stage ITT.  Details
	      have not been decided yet. ("The  Negev Tour")

March 27:     Criterium; 70km, held in Rishon Lezion.

April 12:     Criterium; 60km, held in Herzelia.

April 16,17:  Stage Race; 3 stages.  ("The Eyn-Hashofet Tour") 
		Stage One:  Road Race; 100km, hilly, SP Eyn-Hashofet.
		Stage Two:  ITT; 10 km, flat, SP Yokne'am.
		Stage Three:  Road Race; 80km, hilly, SP Eyn-Hashofet.

April 24:     Road Race; one hill, details to come.

May 22:       Criterium, 70km, held in Herzelia.

June 12:      Criterium, 70km, held in Herzelia. 

June 19:      Circuit Race, 85km (17 laps), hilly, SP Eyn-Hashofet.
	
June 25,26:   Stage Race; 3 stages.  ("The Golan Heights Tour")
		Stage One:  Road Race, 120km, very hilly, SP unknown.
		Stage Two:  ITT, 15km, hilly, SP unknown.
		Stage Three:  Road Race, 100km, very hilly, SP unknown.

July 17:      Road Race; 75km, hilly, SP Eyn-Hashofet. 

August 21:    Road Race; 100km, hilly, SP near Ramle.

September 4:  Road Race (may be a circuit race); 80km, hilly, SP Eyn-Hashofet.

September 18: Road Race; 120km, hilly, SP Ramle. 

October 30:   Road Race; details have not been decided yet.

-- 
William Tomer       :			  
224 Alumni Hall     :	 I want to be just like you when I grow up!  
U. of Pittsburgh    :          Maybe a little taller though.
wjtomer@cs.pitt.edu :
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Weight gain survey
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:55:41 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization


And the results are in!  The weight-gain survey got 24 responses and 
it broke down like this:

UP	EVEN	DOWN
----------------------------
13	4	7

We won!  

The biggest winners were one heafty trackie in the Great-White-North with
a 17lb increase and one guy who must be switching from Football with a
26lb loss:-)  Thanks alot for the great response!

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration (was: Re: Frozen water bottles)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:30:23 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <3450007@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
>
>The motorists don't give a damn.  Its the bicyclists who feel
>awkward in their provocative punk-like attire with iridescent
>shades and Day-Glo equipment.  There seems to be a need for them to
>pull out their bottle and drink to give credence to the seriosness   
>of their athletic pursuit.  After all this is a "training" ride.
>
>Now please don't all volunteer as subjects of this description and
>take this as a personal attack.  I have no idea why some bicyclists
>dress as garishly  as they do.  Some of them certainly play the role
>of the cocktail guest excellently.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

For someone who used to end his posts with "ride bike", this seems like
a pretty hypocritical remark to me.  To paraphrase 1976 Olympic Track
and Field coach Bill Bowerman,"it's not what you ride, but that you ride".

Jobst, until you get a clue, I suggest you change you signature to

	"ride bike, but make sure you conform to my personal standards"

Bruce
From: todd@cleo.abt.com (Todd Nix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: pedals vs. clipless
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:06:17 GMT
Organization: Alternative Broadcast Technology

In <C010nn.Hx@math.uwaterloo.ca> rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs) writes:
>In article <ayqiwB4w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us> kronos@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:
>>In the racing mags one often sees both pedals and clipless 
>>systems in use. I've been wondering whether to get a clipless
>>system on my mtb, but they weight a good half pound more than 
>>a lightweight pedal set. So, I'm wondering if people find an 
>>advantage in comfort, ergonomics, pedal efficiency or just
>>buy them because they're cool!

I just got some SPD M-737s for Xmas and have taken one ride with them
out on the Barton Creek Greenbelt (fire-roads, single track, creek crossings,
mud...almost everything except hills). I wanted them because I have the hardest
time getting into clips while riding single track, expecially on a hill.
With these you can just click one foot in, start pedalling, then wiggle the
other foot until it clicks in. I love them...I can get a much rounder, more
powerful pedal stroke than with clips. Higher jumps, better climbing, better
sprints. They did make me feel really cautious while riding through more
technical situations, but the times I needed to dab I was able to yank my
foot out and touch with no problems. I notice that I have the same
imbalance with these as with my road Looks...my right foot comes right out
no problem but I usually have to try harder or more than once to twist
my left foot out...kinda odd. Entry is great...the main reason I wanted
them, and I'm not disappointed. Mud didn't seem to bother them either.
I'm using them with SIDI Dominators...the buckles on these are great.
I love being able to reach down and just click my shoe looser or tighter
while riding. Now, if I can just convince my wife to get me some Genuises
for my road bike. ;}

-- 
Todd Nix                                                           todd@abt.com
 Movement1981-1982Power,Corruption,andLiesLowLifeBrotherhoodSubstanceTechnique
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Cyling [sic] and Doping
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:59:44 GMT

<I have to ask myself - why am I doing this?>

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
: These "studies" when examined invariably are about as 'scientific' as a crap
: shoot. Two or three individuals without double blind testing cannot demonstrate
: _anything_ that requires statistical analysis.

That is a nice condemnation of a study you've never before heard of.
Perhaps you should read Burke's book, or (gasp!) the original paper
before assuming that it's garbage.

: One thing is _certain_, _if_ 330 mg of caffeine caused a 20% increase in
: endurance then a couple of espressos would have a measureable and _marked_
: effect on _everyone_.

I'd wager pretty good money that "a couple of espressos" will indeed
"have a measurable and _marked_ effect" on anyone who has not already
developed a tolerance to caffeine.  I know that "a couple of espressos"
will leave me shaking for hours.  Of course, I don't consume caffeine on
a daily basis.  Why don't I?  Because I want IOC/UCI/USCF legal levels
of caffeine to have the greatest possible impact on me.  I want to feel
a jolt when I consume a beverage containing a lot of caffeine late in a
race.  Why do I consume such a beverage?  Because I believe it improves
my performance, and I _know_ that riders I race against do the exact
same thing.  Actually, as Les mentioned in an earlier posting, some go
much further than drinking beverages containing caffeine.

: In case you haven't been following the thread, caffeine is _legal_ already.
: Apparently it's OK to tilt the playing field only somewhat.

That's exactly what's being argued here.  Should caffeine be legal, or
semi-legal as it currently is?  The only reason that it is tolerated is
because it is a socially accepted drug.  The IOC/UCI rules are
supposedly intended to prevent the use of any drug which might alter
one's performance either positively or negatively.  Do you truly believe
that caffeine at the upper IOC/UCI limit has no physiological effects?

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:10:22 GMT

In article <+yfrc5g@lynx.unm.edu> sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery) writes:
>Bruce Hildenbrand writes:
>>
>>This is not arbitrary at all.  The rules state the acceptable levels.
>>If you can't play by the rules, don`t play.
>
>Acceptable, abnormal????  They are words when used in the context of rules
>make automatically arbitrary.  
>

What about other drugs like hormones?  How else could use of drugs that 
naturally occur in the body like hormones be controlled unless acceptable 
and normal limits are used?  Certainly nobody would advocate the use of 
hormones and steroids.  Unless there is another way to detect the use/abuse 
of drugs, the establishment of levels, even though they may be somewhat 
arbitrary is the only way.

-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis
From: johnr@col.hp.com (John T. Rasper)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: USCF Release - Pro's may compete in Olympics
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:52:48 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdvf.col.hp.com

For Immediate Release - December 18, 1992
Contact:  Steve Penny or Woody Franklin - 719/578-4581

Professional Cyclists Eligible for Olympic Competition

	In an agreement announced on Thursday by the Union Cycliste
Internationale (UCI), the international governing body for the sport
of cycling, professional cyclists will have the opportunity to compete
in Olympic competition.

	The agreement was reached between the UCI and the International
Olympic Committee (IOC) at IOC headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland,
after a meeting between UCI President Hein Verbruggen and IOC President
Juan Antonio Samaranch.

	This ruling will offer the opportunity for many of the worlds top
cyclists to compete in Atlanta in 1996, including three-time Tour de France
champion Greg LeMond.

	"This decision will allow cycling to keep pace with other sports
affiliated with the Olympic movement," commented Jerry Lace, Executive
Director of the United States Cycling Federation (USCF). "With many of
the Olympic sports allowing professionals to compete at the Olympics, this
move indicates a willingness of the UCI and the IOC to stay abreast of the
ever changing relationship between professionalism and the Olympic Games."

	"This will also allow the U.S. to field what could be the strongest
cycling team in the history of our participation in the Olympic Games,"
added Lace.

	For more information, contact Steve Penny or Woody Franklin
at 719/578-4581.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
USOC release follows:

Professional cyclists now eligible for Olympics
     The International Cycling Union and the International Olympic
Committee announced Thursday in Lausanne, Switzerland, that
professional cyclists will be eligible for the 1996 Olympic Games
in Atlanta. The number of cyclists will remain about the same, but
each country will be able to enter up to five athletes, as opposed
to the current limit of three. Stories moved on UPI on December 17.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: thornto@next2god.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Mike Thornton)
Subject: Re: Cycling and Doping
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:57:05 GMT

>In aswer to your question, yes I favor thresholds on all drugs --
>aren't most anabolic steroids naturally occurring?
>John_Ampe@att.com

No, only testosterone is and it has the worst anabolic to androgenic
ratio, (1:1). The others are "synthetic", they have the same basic 5 alpha
ring (OK, my organic chemistry has weekened) but have extra side chains
added on, i.e methyls......etc. The idea is to increase the anobolic 
effect while not not changing the androgenic potency of the drug. Dianabol
and deca-durabolin are two synthetic "testosterone-like" drugs which have
ratios of something like 5:1 and 8:1. The anabolic effects are increased
greatly while minimizing things like virulism and other androgenic 
effects.

So these are not made by the body, only testosterone is. The others are 
easily picked out as spikes on mass specs. or gas chromatagraphs.......
witness Ben Johnson.

Mike Thornton
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration (was: Re: Frozen water bottles)
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:07:12 GMT


Jobst, maybe you don't sweat on cold days, but
you're all wet (and it is pretty darn cold out right now).

jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:

>.  This whole question came up because someone
>wanted to let us know they were riding in cold weather by asking how
>to keep a water bottle from freezing.

No, from the original request, we can infer only that the questioner
actually was interested in getting some fluid into his/her mouth in
contexts where the fluid was becoming solid.  You have allowed your
personal experience and pet-peeves to bias your understanding of the
request and, in turn, have suggested unbecoming motives of those who
like to stay fully hydrated.  I find it amusing that you havn't let up
once you were called on it.

Keep the signal-to-noise ratio high.

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:01:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.222449.564@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> ianbjor@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ian D. Bjorhovde) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.141023.14742@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun )) writes:
>><K3018E9@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:
>>
>>>- What do you know about doping?
>>>- What do the pros take?
>>>- Do you take anything?
>>
>>>Steve.
>>
>>What kind of BULLSHIT is this?  This is no place for discussions on
>>crap like this.
>>
>>-- 
>>Gregg Mack                 
>>gmack@paceline.sps.mot.com  
>
>
>My thoughts exactly, I just didn't have the /huevos/ to say it first.
>
>
>
>--Ian D. Bjorhovde
>  ianbjor@gas.uug.arizona.edu

If it's something that's done regularly why shouldn't it be discussed?



-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration (was: Re: Frozen water bottles)
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:07:06 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:54:06 GMT
>FROM:   Jobst Brandt <jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM>

>Hey!  If you can't prove it, it must not be happening... right?
>Just ask Milosevic.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

So what does Milosevic wear when *he* rides?

--Michael Smith

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Ridin short distances fast
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:37:09 GMT

kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:

> Hi.  Some coworkers of mine and I ride about 20 miles most days at lunch.  We
> average maybe 20 mph and try *really* hard to beat one another.  It's become
> much more ruthless in the last year or so.  Obviously, I'm interested in being
> able to ride 20 miles as fast as I possibly can (rolling hills).  

> My question is simple.  Can this be done without training 200-300 miles a week?

Yes, but not by riding at 20 mph. Most of the training programs in most of
the books emphasize using cycles containing periods of intense training
alternating with appropriate rest. The intense periods will need to be at 
speeds considerably in excess of your desired target average (and so for 
less duration). With a carefully designed training regimen it ought to be
possible to improve on far less than 200 miles per week.


> How much distance do I need to put in before I can break through to 22-23
> miles per hour on my 20 mile ride?  Does a training regimen exist by which
> riders have pushed to the higher speeds without upping the weekly mileage to
> ridiculous levels, or is 20 mph or so just the best an average guy like me can
> expect to do on 100 miles per week?

It depends on how you ride those 100 miles. Get one of those training 
books. Better yet, get two or three and compare. Find a program that fits 
your schedule. Remember that sometimes an infuriatingly slow ride is just 
what you need.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Team Motorola will Race on Clinchers in 1993
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:51:58 GMT
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <ljk0onINN9d7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>In article <Bzrso3.L8r@news.water.ca.gov> stevec@water.ca.gov writes:
>>Bruce Hildenbrand writes:
>>>The subject line says it all, the brand will most likely be
>>>Specialized.
>>
>>If they use Specialized, I would like to see if they switch for wet weather.
>>My experience of Specialized tires in wet weather has been kinda painful.
>>I've had better experience with Avocets and Michelins.
>
>Specialized has a new grey colored rubber compund that they claim is
>softer and stickier than their current offering.  You can try these
>things out for about $28 at your local shop.
>
>Bruce
>
>ps - at least they aren't using those junky Avocet tires(see, Jobst,
>even I can get a dig in without trying hard)
>

If I recall correctly from their ad the tires are also suppose to wear out
much faster.  I think I'll stick with the Michelins I've been using.   
---------------
Alex Rodriguez
From: ianbjor@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ian D. Bjorhovde)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Team Motorola will Race on Clinchers in 1993
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:53:50 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <C01t0C.JK5@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez) writes:
>>If I recall correctly from their ad the tires are also suppose to wear out
>>much faster.  I think I'll stick with the Michelins I've been using.   
>>Alex Rodriguez
>Can you say Continental?  I knew you could!
>-Terry

I agree WHOLE-HEARTEDLY.  I switched to Conts when my team was given a
good deal on tires, and I was finally rescued from the god-awful
Michelins that I had been riding (read: flats galore, torn sidewalls,
etc).

I have ridden a pair of Contis for over 5 months, no flats, no problems.
(They were pretty dead when I changed them, though).


--Ian D. Bjorhovde
  ianbjor@gas.uug.arizona.edu
  Department of Materials Science and Engineering
  The University of Arizona
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: warsa@vesta.unm.edu (j warsa)
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:12:49 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Nuevo Mexico, Alburquerque

ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe), in rec.bicycles.racing, writes: 
=> In article <+yfrc5g@lynx.unm.edu> sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery) writes:
=> >Bruce Hildenbrand writes:
=> >>>Sery writes:
=> 
=> How can you make such a claim when you admit that you have no idea how
=> much caffeine is contained in an Uptime?  Nor do you know her body
=> weight.  But you're right, Paul, she wasn't even close -- she was OVER
=> the limit, 6.5 hours after her event.  That's guilty by anyone's
=> standards.
=> 
=> John_Ampe@att.com


Alot is being assumed by everyone responding to my original post. And we
all know what happens when we assume!

So, let me explain (yet again) why I posted this anecdote and what my purpose 
was in posting. Bruce Hidenbrand probably already knows what I'm going to
say, as I have already e-mailed him on several occasions regarding this
issue.

Firstly, I described this scenario since the limit of 12 mcg/ml of urine 
was posted by someone (I think it was Les Earnest) as being an unreasonable 
amount caffeine to ingest. I beleive it is not at all unreasonable, and as 
evidence for this I presented Janelle's situation so we could all see that 
even with the equivalent of 3-4 cups of coffee, someone can test positive 
for this performance enhancing drug. I did not post in order to start a 
a discussion regarding her guilt, innocence, motives, or fair treatment. She
tested positive after ingesting about 300 mg of caffeine, and that's that.

Secondly, I posted because I wanted to point out that a quantitative limit
on a performance enhancing drug is somewhat arbitrary, because such a limit
does not take into account the variability of humans to rid their bodies
of ANY substance, such as body size, level of hydration, etc. 

Finally, I have strong feelings regarding this issue, and I simply wanted 
to point my rationale for having an all or nothing test for substances on 
the banned list. Because caffeine, in whatever form, is a socially acceptable
drug you, as an athlete, are allowed to have SOME in your system. This is
also indicative of the arbitrary nature of quantitative drug testing. I can
point this out (at the risk of starting another debate, which I hope to 
avoid) by asking rhetorically, "Why SOME caffeine? Why not SOME steroids?"
I suggest that if it's on the banned list, you should not be allowed any in
your system. This appears the most simple and fair policy for drug testing. 


-- 
jim warsa
albuquerque