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From: MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu (mary carpenter)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: BGSU Architecture
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:23:00 GMT
 <92315.060718DEY101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <92315.060718DEY101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DEY101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>I'm not claiming that we have the best, but there are a few interesting
>things about ours:
>
>One that I find very humourus is that the arch. engineers at Penn state
>who designed Hammond building screwed up so bad that when the plans
>were reviewed by some higher authority (don't ask who, I don't know), the
>accreditation for that major was revoked here.
>
Hmmm... I've never heard that rumor...

>Note: I belive that this may have been due to in part that the original
>      plan had to be greatly modified. From my sources, the building was
>      to originally built vertically, but had to be built horizontally
>      due to the fact that it was too tall or local building codes and
>      the like.  As is now the complex is aprox. 3 blocks long. One of
>      the worst problems is to get from one side to the other you must
>      go via an outside route!
>

Well, I don't believe the problem was building codes... It was
originally too tall for another reason:  University Park campus is
built on lovely farmland (Hagerstown-Opequon Soils complex, to be exact)
- a BEAUTIFUL limestone valley.  Can we say STRUCTURALLY UNSTABLE! I
always got a chuckle out of the fact that my Ag and GeoSci professors
were quite smug about the problem with Hammond (switching from ENGR to
AG myself).  In fact, Penn State has a few buildings that are
supposedly unsound due to the geologic base.  One of my GeoSc professors
claimed to have the foresight to choose his office on the side of the
building that was over the bedrock base rather than the side that had
to have tons of cement poured in for some semblance of structure.

Ah well... maybe they'll learn some day!


Mary Carpenter
mxc117@psuvm.psu.edu
I may have paid Penn State for it's opinions for 4.5 years, but they certainly
don't share or even appreciate mine!
From: cheesmna@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: mooohhaaaaa!
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:14:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu


	moooohhhahahahaha!

			-Alan Cheesman
From: cheesmna@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: Pranks
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:38:58 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: cheesmna@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

>In article <9211120631.AA01587@polar.bowdoin.edu> cwilbur@polar.bowdoin.edu (Charlton Wilbur) writes:
>>Aardvark says:
>>
>>>Boy Charlton, you are one crazy, wacky guy! How did you ever come up with
>>>the great idea of turning things upside down? That is so incredifucking 
>>>funny!  Thanks for being you!

Boy Aardvark, you are one retarded, clueless guy!  How did you ever come up
with such a worthless flame?  That is so incredifucking STUPID!  I'm glad I'm
not you.

What kind of screwball flames a post like that.  I've pulled pranks that are
worthless in some people's eyes.  Do you think I care.  I can appreciate how
Charlton's stunt would be funny to him.  Who cares whether it's been done
or not?  We used to rearrage the desks in class during my senior year in high
school.  We once took the time to wind a 50 minute film on the reel backwards
(pissed the teacher off too).  We were bored and did the first thing that came
to mind.  Don't flame somebody for trying to share an experience of life.

*huff huff pant pant*

'nuff sed

Allen Cheesman
From: news@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: test
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:08:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

test.
From: henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Daemeon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: The dead roommate myth...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:27:01 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

In article cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there know of any college or university that supports
>the (some think mythological) rule that if your roommate commits
>suicide, you will automatically be given a 4.00 GPA for the semester?
   

	Yeah, I heard that here too. (Rose-Hulman)

				-Daemeon (Keeper of the Omar Archive)

P.S. And by the way, I have a couple more Omar stories to post when I 

	get time.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,alt.fan.BIFF
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: BIFF LIVES!  (Was: Re: THE SMILEY FACE AND C3)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:39:37 GMT

In article <sbq1apb@rpi.edu> downec@rpi.edu writes:
>OK, LET'S PUT THIS THING TO REST.
>
>I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THE SMILEY FACE 
>ON THE JEC WALKWAY, BUT I DO KNOW WHO
>PUT THE 'C3' THERE.
>
>IT WASN'T CARY 3 AND IT WASN'T THE DARK
>KNIGHTS.
>
>CARY AND BRAY ARE GEEKS.  THEY WOULD 
>THINK OF ANYTHING TO DO BESIDES PROGRAM
>A COMPUTER OR SOMETHING GAY LIKE THAT.
>
>I'M NOT SAYING I DID IT BUT I AM SAYING
>THAT I KNOW FOR SURE WHO DID IT.
>
>CROCKETT 3. . .end of subject.
>
>CSD


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: carter@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mike Carter)
Subject: Re: The dead roommate myth...
Keywords: roommate suicide, 4.0, death, hangnails, lemurs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:29:52 GMT

franklir@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ryan J Franklin ) writes:

>In article <1dseadINNg8i@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) writes:
>>>Does anyone out there know of any college or university that supports
>>>the (some think mythological) rule that if your roommate commits
>>>suicide, you will automatically be given a 4.00 GPA for the semester?
>>
>>The University here has that policy.

While this has been debunked rather exhaustively both by JHB and in afu, some
University *PROFESSORS* have interesting policies regarding student tragedies.
I have had two first hand experiences with this sort of thing here at 
the University of Colorado.  First, I had a roommate who broke his neck skiing
paralyzing himself from the neck down about midway through his final semester.
All of his professors gave him the grade that he had in the course at the
point of the accident without him having to complete any additional course
work to graduate.  This was not a University or department policy but the
decisions/policies of the individual professors.  Second, this same roommate
died unexpectedly (he was actually recovering fairly well) due to complications
from the initial surgery following accident in the middle of the following
semester.  All of my professors but one gave me the option of taking the
grade that I had so far or taking an incomplete.  One professor basically
said "tough shit, go home and study!"  To him I replied, "what goes around
comes around..."

-- 
				- Mike
				  carter@spot.Colorado.EDU
From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ZAPHOD BEEBLEBROX)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: zb: Weird Building Names...
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I don't know of any architecture stories here at UB (maybe that's because this
place is only 30 years old - we'll just have to wait a few years), but there is
something I've wondered about...

Building Names.

Here, the English building is named after Samuel Clemens, and two of the
Engineering buildings are named after Lawrence Bell and the astronaut from
Buffalo who died in the Challenger disaster (Jarvis is his last name; I don't 
know his first).  That all makes a perfect amount of sense.

Anyways, one of the other buildings is named after Millard Fillmore.  That's
right.  MILLARD FILLMORE!

Millard Fillmore is pretty big stuff here in Buffalo (this place is so dull).  
There are several streets named after him and even a hospital.

Does any other school have buildings named after someone like ol' Millard?


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 If you've done six impossible things today, why not top it off by calling DA?
From: dkelly@bio4.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: The dead roommate myth...
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: dkelly@bio4.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)


It's also reputed to be true at U. Chicago. However, my husband (also a U. C.
grad) once called up the Registrar's Office to see whether or not it was
really true. It's not.
							Diane Kelly
							dkelly@acpub.duke.edu
From: wpmadden@eos.ncsu.edu (Bill Madden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: interesting architecture
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:08:54 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In the town of Chapel Hill, NC there is a small castle called Gimgoul(sp?).
It was supposedly a castle in Scotland, taken apart, shipped overseas
and rebuilt stone by stone. 1909 comes to mine as the time frame. Not sure
of the story behind the gent that had it done. Since then, it has housed
the Order of the Gimgoul, a secret order for wealthy white men from 
established North Carolina families. Many notable alumni from UNC
were in the Order. Only the names of the members who have graduated are made
public, the names of the undergraduates in the order were rumored to be
unknown to the public. There was a guy in my circle of friends who was 
thought to be one. 

The inside is as interesting as the out, with a main hall repleat with
suits of armor, large oak tables, and old hunting garb. The one large
turret contains the main foyer, a sitting room, and a staircase to the roof.
Or so I have heard...

***
The mathematics building on the Chapel Hill campus was supposedly purchased
from the builder for $1. Seems that the plans got switched, and there is
a mathematics building posing as a high school somewhere in the midwest, and
the math building at UNC passes for any high school build in the 30's.

***
There is a small, odd building that is now in the middle of the UNC campus
that was built, I think, in the teens by a father for his son and friends
to live in while they attended the university. I am not sure of its use now.

Last one...
The mathematics building here at NC State, Harrelson Hall, is on the Sinking
Ivory Tower list. Round, with narrow slit windows and concrete slab exterior
(Damn they can make college buildings ugly) it resembles a large air filter.
Originally supposed to be 9 stories, it stopped at 3 because they found out
later there is sinkhole possibility. Cracks are visible at many places.
As for wonderful classroom design, only offices are on the outside. Classrooms
are all on the inside, windowless, curving, sloping, crowded, dank rooms
that are frigid in the summer and Death Valley hot in the winter. They sure
can build them.


Wm
-- 
Bill Madden
wpmadden@eos.ncsu.edu
No icon tact
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: jwc2001@andy.bgsu.edu (J Cannon)
Subject: BGSU Architecture
Followup-To: alt.folklore.college
Organization: bgsu
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:18:41 GMT

Speaking of sinking buildings and such, does anyone claim to have the best
campus architecture?  Here at Bowling Green, most of the buildings are your
basic brick box, but a few are fairly interesting.  Many of the campus
buildings were supposedly built to resemble familiar objects.

Our Student Services Building is shaped like one of the carousels from a
slide projector, but it looks more like a mushroom cloud in a bomb crater
to me.

The Student Recreation Center lives up to its claim of being shaped like a
falcon, our school mascot.  This one is easily imaginable, if you think of
a falcon in a nest with its wings slightly spread.  

Moore Musical Arts center is supposed to be shaped like a grand piano, but
it looks more like a donut made out of Legos.  You would need a six pack or
so of really cheap beer to visualize this one.

The Jerome Library is shaped like several books, standing upright, with
bookends.  Still your basic box, but effective as far as libraries go. 
Only eight stories high.

Finally, the Power Tower (administration building) is a really dull brick
box, but I have personally discovered that it has the exact proportions of
a Pop-Tart box!

Peace sisters and brothers!
J Cannon/Milo
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: Pranks
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:12:12 GMT

In <bogus-121192002112@m248-109.bgsu.edu> bogus@andy.bgsu.edu (Aardvark) writes:

[details of Charlton's prank ommitted]

>Boy Charlton, you are one crazy, wacky guy!  How did you ever come up with
>the great idea of turning things upside down?  That is so incredifucking
>funny!  Thanks for being you!

>Aardvark

Well, Aardvark,

Frankly, I think pranks that:
--are done by good natured pranksters
--don't seriously harm or embarrass anyone
--are funny rather than malicious
are the best kind.  While Charlton's prank may not have been the most
original, it was benign and certainly amusing.  That's a lot more than I can
say for your antagonistic comment.  If you'd like to swap character flames
with either me or Charlton, do it through private mail.  No one else wants to
see your insults.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK from Northwestern
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Stuff on bridges
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:45:07 EST

In article <BxKDn7.3oq@news.iastate.edu> mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>In article <PRATTA.92Nov11102354@marcus.rpi.edu> pratta@rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Prattico) writes:
>>I don't like having to pay for your pranks. Many influential people and future
>>employers walk over that spot daily, and the smiley does not reflect well on
>>the student body. I don't want any interviewer to be prejudiced by anything
>>stupid like that. 


Don't you think professional college interviewers see that all the time? 
Believe me, if the company gets their impression about YOU from what
your COLLEGE does, you don't want to work for that company. Most of the
interviewers are young people themselves and took the jobs to get out of 
the office and out meeting people their company might want to commit 
with. 

If that info doesn't allay your fears, think about this: Which college
students have the best-known tradition of stunts and pranks? Believe
it or not, they are the people from MIT. Do you think they have trouble
getting jobs due to the pranks they commit, which people read about 
in the papers? I doubt it seriously.

Chris

>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Nietzsche's grandkids
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:02:19 GMT

	There were two young and rather intelligent students here a
while back who in the line of following Nietzsche's ideas kidnapped
and killed a local lab school student.  I think it was for a class
or to please their teacher. Anyone with full details?




Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: The dead roommate myth...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:18:44 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <1992Nov12.001325.14520@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> matthews@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matt Sullivan) writes:

>According to the FAQ and "Curses! Broiled Again" it is false. Brunvand
>says that she has received many notes from college students claiming
>that this is true at their school. But, upon further investigation, all
>prove to be false. 

Brunvand is a he.  It's Jan, pronounced "yan" (like Jan Hammer, as opposed
to Jan Brady).

-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
   /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: mcastle@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle)
Subject: Re: Fire Alarms...
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:41:38 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov9.124714.8545@iscsvax.uni.edu> mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1d3qi5INN43e@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, swartzjh@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>> I used to go to University of Missouri Rolla.  This was during summer
>> session. 
>
>
>
>        I went to UMR for 3 years and remember several episodes like that.  
>
>        Wasn't TJ Hall also sinking at a rate of 3 inches a year?  I always
>thought that an Engineering college could do better....
>

Probably not sinking _that_ fast, but it was built on a sink hole....  

Funny part is, the new tower (tj-south) is splitting more than sinking.  The
ceiling are slabs of concrete running across the building, with about 1/4
gap between each slab.  One friend of mine who lived on the 8th floor (of
11 floor building) had gaps about 1 inch!  He could always tell when the 
girls upstairs were getting ready to go out because the smell of perfume 
would drift down through the cracks :->

A female friend of mine who later lived in that room upstairs had an even 
better setup.  Connected to two slabs was a device for measuring how far 
the two slabs were coming apart.

And of course, there are those infamous elevators... not working more than
are.  I once heard that the school got the elevators for free (or at least
greatly reduced price), because they were experimental elevators (new motors
gearing, etc).  Evidently the elevators were only put into 2 buildings, TJ,
and a hospital.  The hospital ripped theirs out after 1 month!

And the walls in the south tower are so thin, you can hear someone sneeze 
on the other side of the hall! (And the bathrooms are located in a common
area between the 2 sides of the hall.....)

Of course, what do you expect from an 11 story building built in just under
2 months....

mrc
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: rpklan@world.std.com (Richard P Klancer)
Subject: Bunch O' Stuff
Summary: Sick Pranks, Folklore, and Millard Fillmore meets Thos Jefferson
Keywords: Folklore, pranks, Fillmore
Organization: None to speak of.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:10:54 GMT

Here's what I want to know about:  Really Idiotic Fraternity Pranks

  You see, several years ago, here at the College o' William and Mary,
  a fraternity (Chi Phi Tau) *cut off the head of a cadaver* and placed
  it on the sundial in the center of campus.  They were banned (imagine
  that!) for ten years; nowadays, you often see "Chi Phi Tau 10 years"
  grafitti all over campus.  Just for the honor of my alma mater, I want
  someone to step up and say that they've heard a sicker prank!


Folklore?  Oh, we have plenty!

  Crim Dell (_Rolling Stone_'s #1 Most Romantic Spot on a College Campus,
  thank you!  thank you!) has a bit of folklore about it:  it's said that
  if a couple kisses on Crim Dell bridge,, then they are fated (doomed?)
  to marry.  If the girl decides later that she does not wish to marry,
  she must drag the man back to the bridge -- and throw him in the water!
  Being an antitraditionalist myself, I wasn't inclined to take any of
  this seriously -- until one of my buddies trudged back from the Dell
  soaking wet...


Millard Fillmore?  We haven't got any Fillmore Halls or anything --
but I live in Jefferson Hall, named after Thomas Jefferson, our most
famous alum... (just wanted you saps to know :)

Rich
"My father always believed that laughter was the best medicine, which
 is I guess why several of us died of tuberculosis" -- Jack Handey

William&Mary .... will trade tradition & the liberal arts for a good
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,alt.fan.BIFF
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: Re: THE SMILEY FACE AND C3
Followup-To: alt.fan.BIFF
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 07:51:19 GMT

In article <BxKtpv.8w6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
>In article <sbq1apb@rpi.edu> downec@rpi.edu writes:
>>OK, LET'S PUT THIS THING TO REST.
>>
>>I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THE SMILEY FACE 
>>ON THE JEC WALKWAY, BUT I DO KNOW WHO
>>PUT THE 'C3' THERE.
>>
>>IT WASN'T CARY 3 AND IT WASN'T THE DARK
>>KNIGHTS.
>>
>>CARY AND BRAY ARE GEEKS.  THEY WOULD 
>>THINK OF ANYTHING TO DO BESIDES PROGRAM
>>A COMPUTER OR SOMETHING GAY LIKE THAT.
>>
>>I'M NOT SAYING I DID IT BUT I AM SAYING
>>THAT I KNOW FOR SURE WHO DID IT.
>>
>>CROCKETT 3. . .end of subject.
>>
>>CSD
>
>
>ARE YOU RELATED TO BIFFF?  YOU KNOW IF
>YOU TYPE SHIFT-C= KEYS TOGETHER YOU
>WILL GO OUT OF CAPS - ONLY MODE.
>ALSO, IF YOU DON"T PRESS RETURN UNTIL 
>AFTER YOUR LINE WRAPS ONCE NOBODY WILL
>KNOW YOU ARE USING A C=64!!!1
>
>THANX-
>   RALPH BIFFS FIRST COUSIN!
>   (I CAN SPELL BETTER THAN BIFF!)
>
>--Jason Balicki :) :) :) :)
>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

BIFF LIVES!
From: sauron@archimedes.WPI.EDU (Amy Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: The dead roommate myth...
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:49:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: archimedes.wpi.edu

well, i know here at WPI its naught but a rumor, not actually
true......*sigh* too bad though, i know a LOT of people who
want/wanted to kill their roomates   }*}





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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: another Omar-like clone
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:47:59 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Nov7.012557.27089@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple) writes:
|> In article <1de9ssINNmr1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
|> >	The few pranks that are played are much more
|> >	harmless than anything you would find in your average fraternity.
|> 
|> Shhh!!  Ted Frank might hear you.
|> -- 
|> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
|> also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
|> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

What the hell,  we might as well start it now Ted...

It couldn't get any worse than it was last spring!!

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