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From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: HP and windows NT
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:45:47 GMT

In comp.sys.hp, hugh@rschp1.anu.edu.au
 (Hugh Fisher at Research School of Chemistry) writes:

>    Real life, as opposed to the online existence of Usenet, is
>    NOT CASE SENSITIVE. If I send snail mail, or better yet, a
>    cheque, to "casper HS Dik" instead of "Casper HS Dik", are
>    you going to tell the post office that it isn't meant for you?
>    What would your reaction be if your bank refused to cash it
>    because the name is wrong?

Not a valid argument. REal life lets me use unfinished senetnces (and 
misspell!) REal life is composed of assumptions and intuition. Real life
doesn't need exact syntax. The computer is a tool, that must be used 
properly, and should be generalized to create the most utility.
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mleech@bnr.ca (Marcus Leech)
Subject: Re: HP1000
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Information Techology Division
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:44:09 GMT


In article <90043@hpunsca.canada.hp.com>, chuckm@hpunsca.canada.hp.com (Chuck Munro) writes:
|> RTE suports network services like telnet, ftp, Berkeley sockets, etc.  It
|> has a truly-great FORTRAN-77 optimizing compiler, and an xdb-like symbolic
|> debugger which supports multiple languages within a single program, and
|> works with the *optimized* code!   Also supported: BASIC, Macro Assembler,
|> Pascal, C and a few other 3rd-party languages.
|> 
When I had the misfortune of being an HP1000 system manager, I made it my
  task to write an xmodem-like file transfer mechanism.  All I had was
  FORTRAN, and FMGR.

I met with absolutely zero success.  The system insisted on taking any amount
  of typeahead as a request to suspend the currently-executing program and
  prompt you for some debugging action.  This behaviour was so infuriating,
  that I gave up in disgust.

I wonder how the networking implementations work, in the face of this
  (at least, on the surface) awkwardness.

The version of the HP1000 that I used had the Writeable Control Store option--
  which was typically used to build custom instructions for scientific
  applications.  Hmmm, I wonder if I could have......nahhhhh.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.questions
From: a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To)
Subject: Remote Printing from HP to BSD systems
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:16:00 GMT

Hi all,

Hope that this's not an FAQ :)

I'll setup remote print services from HP 720 running HP-UX 8.07 to BSD
systems (e.g. Ultrix, and LPD on VMS).  Is there anything special that
I've to watch out ?  I did some preliminary experiments but failed.
Some of them ended with message "%.. entry not found" and the print
requests couldn't be dequeued.

Would anyone pls help ?

Thanks in advance.

Rgds,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> We have newly purchased a HP 720, and right now started the vue environment.
> 
>  How do we get window focus changed by mouse movement? The default mode is
> that you have to click in the window you want to write in. 

> Olaf F. Normann

Set the xrdb resource-
Vuewm*keyboardFocusPolicy:      pointer

There is a RES_EDIT tool under the applications popup that makes it
easy to edit the xrdb settings.  Use the "restart vuewm" root menu
item to restart the window manager and make the new resource setting
take affect.  Resave the home session if you use one, since the xrdb
settings are saved as part of the current or home session.

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com
From: mech@sparc2.ikb.uni-essen.de (Thomas Mechlinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Using laserromg300 with nfs-mounted CD-ROM
Keywords: CD-ROM, nfs-mount, laserrom
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:23:05 GMT
Organization: University of Essen, Germany


			Hi netters,

I have a problem using the HP-UX online Manuals with the program
laserromg300. We have a CD-ROM-device mounted at a SUN-SPARC-Station.
This device is mounted via NFS from several HP-9000s300's. 

The files on the HPLaserRROM (HP-UX 8.0 + information) can be read
without problems on this computers. But, when I try to start 
laserromg300 (or laserromc300), there appears the message

          No databases could be found.
   Check the `dbloc' values in the .laserromrc file

I've checked this file, and it's ok. The CD-ROM-device is mounted under
/cdrom on the HP's, this is the default for laserromg300. When I connect
the CD-ROM-drive directly to the HP-machines, there are no problems using
the program. 

It would be better when the CD-ROM-drive can stay at the SPARC, because
we can use it for the SPARC-Manuals there and we don't have to carry
it from one computer to the other all the time. 

Has anybody a solution for my problem?

		
						Thanks

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From: mikes@biochemistry.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Darkness
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:18:59 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3

Dear Folks,

I am the proud inheritor of an HP series 700 machine, whos monitor says
"98774A".  Unfortunately, the screen is very dark, even when I put
brightness and contrast to a maximum.

Does anybody know what might be causing this, and what can be done about
it?

Thanks

Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Re: HP DashBoard for Windows
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:12:06 GMT

It is my understanding that you cannot change the font or size of text
in the first release but that this is high on the list of user
requests for 1.1, or whatever.  I haven't gotten my copy yet, this is
what I've read on CompuServe.

                                  Chris


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From: joslin_paul@ae.ge.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP9000/720 and audio
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:16:37 GMT
Reply-To: joslin_paul@ae.ge.com
Distribution: comp
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines
Originator: news@c0228.ae.ge.com

jto@rieska.oulu.fi (Jarkko Oikarinen) writes:

>This may be a stupid question, but...

>I have temporarily a HP9000/720 on my desk. Behind it is a socket
>which says "Stereo". I assumed that it's there for sound, right?
>Or is it there just to fool the fools?

>How do I get something sensible out of it? I went to /usr/audio/bin
>and tried Aserver, audio_demo and also the stuff in /usr/audio/examples.

>They just said:
>*** Exiting: exception caught by PFM system cleanup handler
>*** communications failure (network computing system/RPC runtime)

This is because /etc/ncs/llbd is not running.  It is an NCS error, not
an audio error.  You must be root to start llbd.  (You can edit
/etc/netncsrc to change the START_LLBD=0 to START_LLBD=1 to have this
happen automatically at boot time.)

>If I try to cat something directly into /dev/audio or other
>/dev/audio* -files, it says:
>/dev/audio: No such device

On my 710, ls -l /dev/audio* gives:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208000 Sep 28 13:39 /dev/audio
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208002 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioBA
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208003 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioBL
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208001 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioBU
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208100 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioCtl
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208012 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioEA
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208013 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioEL
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208011 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioEU
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208022 Aug 21 10:29 /dev/audioIA
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208023 Sep  9 15:03 /dev/audioIL
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       57 0x208021 Sep 28 10:53 /dev/audioIU

Are these present on your system?

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From: fkam@sodium.EBay.Sun.COM (Francis Kam - Asia CS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP1000
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:57:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sodium.asia.sun.com

In article <90043@hpunsca.canada.hp.com> chuckm@hpunsca.canada.hp.com (Chuck Munro) writes:
>ckm
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
>References: <lcg47lINNf3l@west.west.sun.com>
>Lines: 49
>
>
>RTE suports network services like telnet, ftp, Berkeley sockets, etc.  It
>has a truly-great FORTRAN-77 optimizing compiler, and an xdb-like symbolic
>debugger which supports multiple languages within a single program, and
>works with the *optimized* code!   Also supported: BASIC, Macro Assembler,
>Pascal, C and a few other 3rd-party languages.
>

Any idea of having Sun RPC running on top of RTE?

-- francis kam


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson)
Subject: Exporting NFS filesystems with root allowed
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:58:08 GMT

Is it possible to NFS-export a filesystem under HP-UX 8.0 so that root
users on the importing machines can modify the files and directories?
(And change ownership etc). It's getting pretty tiresome to have to log
into our somewhat slow HP9K300 (4M RAM, 1GB disk - now that's a nice NFS
server :-) everytime I/we want to create a new directory or so.

(It would have been great to have a "root=" option in "/etc/exports"...)

I might even go for a binary hack of rpc.mountd if it would help... :-)

/Peter


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From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP720 POPSICLE
Summary: Freezing...
Keywords: SCSI
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:11:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38665
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <Bv7Bzw.B04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kemp@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (John Kemp) writes:
>In December I posted about a "FREEZE" problem we were having on 
>our HP720.  Here is a status report, and a final plea for ideas.

Interesting, I've never seen this on an HP, but I have seen it on a
SUN.  The SUN will detect a malfunctioning SCSI device and complain
that it is resynchronizing the bus.  Could this be what the HP is
doing?  We diagnosed the SUN problem by removing all the SCSI devices
but one (the internal boot disk) and then added one device at a time
until it complained.  The disk that restarted the resyncs turned out to
be defective.

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
From: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: inhibiting network printing for a user
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:41:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> We have an HP9000/400 cluster, and another department has an IBM
> Powerstation.  Each is listed in each others hosts.equiv file, and
> network printing is set up so that users logged in to the powerstation
> can print on the printers attached to our machines, even if they don't
> have accounts on our machines.
> 
> All was well until different people wound up with the same username on
> the two systems.  Now when the one with the account on the remote
> system prints something, the banner reads with the name of the one on
> the local system.  The banner is just the default that comes with most
> of the lp scripts.
> 
> I tried to change the entry in hosts.equiv to add "-mhoyt" (mhoyt is
> the login name in question), but that just seemed to interfere with
> other services, like rcp.  Anyone have any other ideas?

Change one of the account names.  Putting a system in hosts.equiv is
a promise that equivalent account names will correspond to equivalent
users.  As it is, the two users have no security from eachother!

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com

P.S.  The lp -t<title> option could personalize banners.
From: dpayton@qcinet.Gwinnett.COM (Doug Payton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP and windows NT
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:44:00 GMT
Organization: Quality Consultants, Inc.

In article <15520064@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) writes:
>
>In comp.sys.hp / Sean McLinden <sean+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>
>> >Pick your -application- first, -then- find hardware (and an OS) that
>> >will run it.
>> 
>> Again, I am not an applications user I am a developer so the above
>> maxim doesn't really apply.
>
>Doesn't it?  You develop apps, and you looked around for a system to
>develop on, with the tools (apps) that would help you do your job.
>The tools you wanted, I presume, were on Unix, and that's the system you
>chose.  No different than if you were running a mail-order business
>and needed a transaction processing system, or were doing forcasting
>and chose a DOS/Win machine to set up spreadsheets.  Further, if you're
>developing *Unix* apps, then that would all but mandate which OS you
>select.
>
>Developers use applications too, you know.  The applications they
>use are development tools.

I had to read this a few times, but I came to the conclusion that you
and Sean agree more than you think.  Sean said he doesn't think the
advice applied to developers, presumably because he's not picking
applicaitons.  Presumably he, in his line of work (and in his HO), would
pick the OS first, and hence Unix because of it's "tools over
applications" emphasis (an idea I've yet to confirm myself).  

You say, correctly, that businesses pick their appliations and then buy
the machine it runs on.  But I'm not sure that developers make the
decision that way, as you put forth.  If the customer will pick an OS
based on it's application base, and since customers buy the work of
developers, then developers need to look at the -customer application
base- of an OS, rather than the developer application base.  That is, if
more people will buy machine X because of it's application base, then
perhaps I should write for that machine, since so many people will have
it.  Witness the IBM PC.  

Granted, there are a number of other considerations (reliable
multi-tasking, multi-user capabilities, real-time capabilities,
graphical environments, etc.) that need to come into play, but the tools
that come with an OS aren't typically the things a developer looks for
-first-.  Perhaps later when deciding on vendor (this guy's Unix comes
with C++, but that guy's comes with Perl installed), but not initially,
I don't think.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sieler@allegro.com (Stan Sieler)
Subject: HP 9000/7xx NamePlates
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 18:49:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Allegro Consultants, Inc., Redwood City, CA

Hi...I was following the "stereo plug" thread, and was about to ask
the obvious question: why did they choose such a misleading name for
the plug (which most people interpret as sterio *audio*, not stereo video),
when a better "naming" question popped up:

   Does anyone know why the 710, 720, 730, and 750 don't have
   product numbers on their fronts?

I shouldn't have to go through the mental exercize (gee, this box is a 7xx,
but a slim one, so it must be a 710, or is it a 705?) whenever I walk up to
a new 700!  

Maybe we can cut some "7"s, "1", "2", "3", "5", and "0"s from advertisements
and mail them to HP, along with a little glue?

stan sieler
sieler@allegro.com
  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kemp@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (John Kemp)
Subject: HP720 POPSICLE
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:09:31 GMT

Does HP have an organization that contracts to do SCSI troubleshooting?
Are there any other reputeable companies that will do this sort of SCSI 
bus analysis?

In December I posted about a "FREEZE" problem we were having on 
our HP720.  Here is a status report, and a final plea for ideas.

symptom: Machine locks up entirely for anywhere from 1sec-7mins
machine: HP720 32Mb, GRX, EISA Slot
disks:   Internal 420Mb, External 2xWREN8's
other:   Danforth 4-port Mux, HP CD-ROM, HP DDC DAT

We log the freezes by looking at the internal clock, since it is the
ONLY THING in the system that is not affected by a freeze.  
Numerous freezes have occured while I was sitting at the console.

If you power-on and power-off one of the SCSI devices IT WILL 
UNFREEZE THE MACHINE!  (That is probably the most important thing
we know about the freezes.)  Even if we pull the CD-ROM, we still 
get freezes.  "dmesg -" yields no diags after a freeze occurs, so 
DIAGS appear to be of no help.  We are going to replace one of the 
WRENs and upgrade the firmware in the DAT drive just for fun.

The best hints we have gotten came from DK at HP.  He wrote:
>Certainly.  With six devices on one bus, you're either close to or over
>the 6 meter limit on SCSI length.  
>...
>
>Another possibility would be a timing related bug in the Wrens.  We've
>seen several peripherals that work fine on other systems, but have
>problems due to the fast timing of the NCR interface chip.  I have some
>experience with Wren Vs on Series 400 machines.  Depending on what
>revision of the drive I used, it had a tendency to lock the bus and the
>mainframe had to do a hard reset to get control back.

So the question is: how do we solve this problem???  We know it is 
SCSI related.  Is there a way to do SCSI BUS analysis and determine
once and for all what is going on?  We have had this problem for 
1 year now and I feel we have to either solve it or replace this
machine with something else.

Does HP have an organization that hires out to do SCSI troubleshooting?
Are there any other reputeable companies that will do SCSI bus analysis?

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From: grp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (gerard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: SCSI scanners on HP 700s
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: grp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (gerard)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: grp@happy.cc.utexas.edu

----- Begin Included Message -----

Hi:

Does anyone have information about support of Fujitsu or Ricoh SCSI scanners
on HP 700 workstations. Does any third-party company provide drivers and
software to connect these scanners to HP 700s? 


Thanks in advance
 

Michael

----- End Included Message -----


Devsoft Corporation makes a product called "XpertScan" which provides
a scanning solution on HP 700s. They support the Fujitsu M3096G, Ricoh
IS 410 and Ricoh IS 50/60 grayscale image scanners. These scanners are
popular on Sun workstations and PCs. Here are the company particulars:

	Devsoft Corporation
	1010 West Fremont Avenue
	Sunnyvale, CA 94087

	Phone: (408) 736-7650
	Fax  : (408) 736-7696

Hope this helps!
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: dbx for HP-UX??
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:27:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Actually, it looks like some pre-HP/UX product (probably from Mighty
> Poor Excuse).

No, xdb is derived from cdb, which we purchased from Third Eye Software
because at the time we decided it was superior to adb, sdb, and dbx.
(At least I *think* we considered dbx, dunno if it existed at that time
or if we knew about it.)
________

This response does not represent the official position of, or statement
by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is provided for
informational purposes only.  It is supplied without warranty of any
kind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: how come "dd" returns 0 even after EOT???
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:01:00 GMT

how come "dd" returns 0 even after EOT??? on SGI boxes it returns
a 2 on HP it continues to return 0 which makes my script below not
work - any suggestions?

...

status=0
while [ $status = 0 ]
do
	dd if=$input of=$output bs=$blocksize
	status=$?
	echo status=$status		# debug
done


			fish
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: nelsonc@hyades.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Re: HP1000
Keywords: HP1000
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:15:30 GMT

Fred,

You are a bit out of date.  CI (the Command Interpreter) has been the
favored shell on RTE for some time.  FMGR (File Manager) is vestigal
at best.

                                     Chris

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From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: hp-ux reinstallation on hp 9000/800 series (827s)
Summary: Which CD ROMS?
Keywords: CD ROM
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:04:41 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <151270024@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> dek@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (David Kohl) writes:
>Not sure why the two tapes are defining the disk differently but the 
>recommended method of performing an install is to use the install tape.
>The Support Tape is intended for use by HP in recovery situations

Sure would be nice if HP would say which CD-ROM to use to install
the operating system, instead of having us flail away...  Wouldn't
it reduce our support contracts (he he har har :-) if the 32 SEs would
get 1 support tape, instead of all 3 million of us getting one?

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA