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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: A Reply to constant ND Bashing (CB)
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:59:58 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Dec11.190104.5076@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:

| Mark Mitchell writes:
| 
| >}Incidentally, the television rights for Notre Dame's road games are still
| >}covered by the CFA deal.
| 
| >I don't believe that is true.
| 
| Well, it may not be clear, but it is true.  So is the situation you discribe 
| below:
| 
| >The rights to any particular game are owned by the home team.  If Notre Dame 
| >were to play at Georgia Tech, for instance, and the CFA networks (ABC/ESPN) 

Mark is right.  The home team owns the TV rights.  If, Miami plays a Pac-10
or Big-10 ( which they do ) on the road, then Miami can get a extra National
TV game.  Last year ND played at PSU, but ABC had the CFA rights and didn't
put the big game on national TV just to pay back NBC.  CFA teams have a
limit on National TV, with a one time extra game every five years.  Miami
used all of it's Nat. TV games last year plus the option year.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: request: sophomores going to NFL
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:24:44 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <1992Dec14.184240.5254@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) writes:
>In article <cf=95ZW00Uh741TKV1@andrew.cmu.edu> "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.
>cmu.edu> writes:
>>Does anyone have a list or educated guess on the sophomores that are
>>applying for entry into the NFL.  I have heard rumors that Westbrook of
>>CU is planning on leaving school for the $$$$ of the NFL!  Any CU fans
>>with more up to date, more accurate info on this subject?
>>
>>What do you all think about these youngsters entering the draft.  I'll
>>state my position...I do not advocate leaving school as a sophomore to
>>enter the NFL draft.  I don't think the NFL should condone such action.
>>It isn't good for them, for college football, or most importantly, for
>>the player!  These kids of maybe 19, are leaving an education to sit on
>>the bench of the NFL.  Some people would love to have the educational
>>opportunity that these guys have.  Just wondering what you all thought.
>>
>I believe the kid should do what is best for himself. Sitting on the bench in 
>the NFL making 500,000$ is better than breaking your leg as a junior and never 
>making a dime from football. You can always go back to school. You cant always 
>play football. Case in point +++> Tripp Wellbourne [sp?] from Michigan was a 
>wonderful safety, a cant miss prospect. He came back for his senior year and 
>busted his knee (Im not sure o all the details, any michigan fans can correct 
>me) and never played football again.
>If Boeing had offered me a job making 200,000 dollars a year after my sophomore
>year of college, I would have left too! You are asking some of these fellows 
>(who may have poor families) to pass up millions!
>Also, Chris Zorich never got a chance to get his mother out of the projects in 
>Chicago, as she died hours after the orange bowl his senior year. A lot of kids
>are thinking of their families.
>
>Karl Schudt

I thought the NFL has said that under no circumstances will they allow
any sophmores into the draft.  Sophmores have to either continue
into their junior year or go to some other league.

Isn't this right?        

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Places to party in Dallas??
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:06:11 GMT

sbscafg (sbscafg@sdd.hp.com) wrote:
: But I agree with you, Kevin, West End will be the place to be, but I've 
: heard you need to be careful.  Crime in Dallas is on the rapid rise, and
: this many people would be a great target for muggings, rapes, car-jackings,
: you name it.  Go with a group.  (I know I'm getting older when I start
: to sound like my father!)

While you certainly need to be careful (this applies *everywhere*,
especially on New Year's Eve), the crime rate in Dallas has actually
*decreased* the last two years...  So don't get overly worried.  There
will be a ton of people at the West End, particularly if the weather
cooperates, so it should be a good time if that's your cup of tea...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bear and A&M
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:58:26 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) wrote:
}In article <1992Dec11.215558.15586@b11.b11.ingr.com>
}jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
}>  "He could take his team and beat yours;
}>   then take your team and beat his"
}>				Bum Phillips when asked about Coach Bryant
}
}The book "Alabama Football Illustrated - The First Hundred Years"
}attibutes this quoted to former Florida A&M coach Jake Gaither.
}The actual quote is:
}
}    ``He can take his'n and beat you'rn and he can take
}      you'rn and beat his'n.''

Actually this quote (minus the wretched grammar) comes from Wallace Wade, 
who said it about General Neyland of Tennessee rather than about Bear
Bryant.  Wade coached at Alabama and Duke and went to the Rose Bowl 
5 times from 1924-1942 (3 at 'Bama and 2 more at Duke).

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

           "You're living in your own private Idaho."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:40:03 GMT

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>>Mmmmm.... so Miami's Gino Toretta is this season's Heisman winner.
>>
>>Is Toretta the best player in college football this year? Is he the best QB
>>in college football this year.
>>
>>IMHO, No and No!
>>
>>I believe that there are several QB's better than Toretta (e.g. Shane
>>Matthews (sp?), SMU's Freiburger, the qb's at Syracuse, Stanford, etc., 
>>Ward at FSU, Grbac at Michigan, etc., etc.)
>>
>>Ciao
>>
>>Niall Johnson,
>>Dept. of Geography,
>>Wilfrid Laurier University.

>I would have to agree with you 100% and I commend you on your choice of better
>QB's.  The true measure of a great QB is how he helps his team win.  Florida
>and SMU won BECAUSE of Matthews and Freiburger.  Miami won IN SPITE of Gino 
>Toretta.

>GT


And did Florida lose 4 games because of Matthews ?              
And did SMU lose 6 games because of Freiburger ?

Come on Tanner , if Gino lost 6 games or 4 games I would understand how
you would say it was a farce but what would have been a farce was if
either QB you mentioned had gotten it !!!

Justin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Super Conferences
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:24:09 GMT

>
>		Big-10		(they don't know how to count past 10)
>	East		West 	
>
>	Penn State		Nebraska
>	Michigan		Iowa
>	MI State		Minnesota
>	Ohio State		Wisconsin
>	Purdue		Illnois
>	Indiana		Northwestern
>
>There could be some real good matchups in this conference, ie Penn State-Nebraska, which
>traditionally have not played much before.  Also I think there is a potential big rivialry 
>between Iowa & Nebraska if they played in the same league.

My only rude comment is that you have dropped Iowa State, which should have
gone to the Big-1? with Nebraska.  One more wouldn't cause an imbalance, 
and Iowa State shouldn't be stuck in the MAC.  12, 13, what's the diff?

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Brooks Kerry Rownd         \/     || 1-Miami 5-TexAM 9-Michi 13-Tenne 17-NCStU
bkrrrrr                    /\     || 2-FlaSt 6-Syrac 10-UFla 14-Missi 18-Color 
brooks@ast1.spa.umn.edu __/__\__  || 3-'Bama 7-Washi 11-Nebr 15-USCal 19-WshSt 
(128.101.221.1)          /    \   || 4-NotrD 8-Georg 12-Stan 16-OhioS 20-MissS 
====-----=-----=-----=-----=-----====-----=-----==-----=-----==-----=-----====
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lazarea@mercury.ncat.edu
Subject: Re: It has been confirmed--all seats sold for I-AA final
Organization: North Carolina A&T State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:05:22 GMT

thanks mom for having season tickets. i used to ask her why she bought
season tickets all the time when marshall was losing all the time. now i
thank her everytime i am able to make it to huntington for a game.

-- 
Andy lazare                  internet  lazarea@garfield.ncat.edu
n.c. a&t state univ                    lazarea@mercury.ncat.edu
greensboro, n.c.             bitnet    lazarea@atsuvax1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 06:02:41 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u) writes:
> Personally I don't believe Miami is the best team in football (i think FSU
> is right now) but I accept that they 'deserve' the MNC that will be theirs
> shortly... however I don't believe that Toretta has earnt the Heisman ... it
> has not been his play that has placed Miami at the top... they have won with
> him, not because of him. I think the UM defence is better than some people
> are willing to credit and their offence is good, but gets a great deal of
> help from the defence.
> 

     I think the easiest way to view this is to consider...if you take 
Faulk or Hearst and put them on Miami, does Miami become a better team; I 
think the answer is obvious.  If you put Toretta on San Diego State, does 
State become a better team? - I think that's highly questionable.  If you 
put him on Georgia, does Georgia become a better team?  Not a chance; 
their QB is probably better than Gino.  So from that standpoint, he 
certainly doesn't deserve the award.  He got it solely because he's a 
senior and Miami wins most of the time.  To suggest that the QB ranked 
10th in the nation in passing is the "best" player in college football 
stinks.  Caulk one up for a has-been coach who's fallen into too much 
power via the air waves.  ESPN and Corso got this one for Gino; he 
certainly didn't earn it on his own.

-Bob

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:16:11 MST
From: zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: BYU QBs (was Re: Kansas loses 2 players to AlohaBowl)


I wrote:

>>I really am sorry to hear that--but at least they weren't injured.  As you
>>probably know, BYU will be starting their 4th string quarterback (lost the
>>first 3 to injuries).  Maybe with this news we'll stand a chance :)

In article <1992Dec18.151133@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:

>What? I hadn't heard that...yet at least, that BYU's first 3 QBs are
>injured.  How much playing time has number 4 had?

Yes, sad but true.  John Walsh went out the 3rd game of the season (against
UCLA).  Then Steve Clements went out in the 4th game (against Hawaii).
Ryan Hancock played the entire rest of the season and did a great job (BYU
went 7-1 with him)--but he was injured in the 4th quarter of the final
regular-season game... What a bummer.

So now the starting quarterback is sophomore Tom Young (yep, Steve Young's
little brother). I think he's every bit as talented as the others--but he's
only played a few downs in the 4th quarter of a few games.  And he's mostly
just handed the ball off or taken the knee-touch to run out the clock.

His backup is a walk-on.  Don't ask me his name as I have never seen the
guy in uniform.  BTW, John Walsh is healthy again and could feasibly play,
but he took a redshirt this year and so playing another down would waste
a year of elegibility.

Anyway, I've heard really good things about Kansas and their program.
Isn't it true that their run-defense is the best in their conference?
And since they lost their last 3 games (is that right?) they'll be HUNGRY.
Good luck to both teams--no doubt it will be a good game.

Steve
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: U of Miami announces the Heisman winner
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:09:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


Who else.. the Lee Corso's favorite player..

In a press guide [containing players biographies]
sent to the Daily Aztec, the San Diego
State U newspaper, the U of Miami declared GT the winner of the Heisman
this year. Included in all the awards given to GT over the years, right
along the Bob Hope Oldest Man in College Football trophy, was the Heisman.


_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
#######################################################
From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Super Conferences
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:09:23 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
	No, the Big-1? will take Iowa State to even the numbers and
	fill out the geography and because of travel time...

>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
	***Yes, and Mizzou - now it's the big1(4)-

	EAST (Great Lakes)	WEST (Great Plains)
	Michigan		Minnesota
	Michigan State		Iowa
	Penn State		Iowa State
	Ohio State		Nebraska
	Indiana			Missouri
	Purdue			Illinois
	Northwestern		Wisconsin

	So it looks pretty good, though big, as far as geography 
	goes.  But the East has a big advantage on power and TV 
	sets. Also, I'm not sure how this would effect Big-1?
	rivalries.  In any case, it looks tempting, but I'll
	opt to keep things as they are.  It would be really 
	interesting, though, and if it comes to be I'm gettin'
	50 yard-line tickets for the first championship game 
	at the HHH Metroblister between Nebraska and Michigan.
	Great Plains vs. Great Lakes - what do ya think???

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Brooks Kerry Rownd         \/     || 1-Miami 5-TexAM 9-Michi 13-Tenne 17-NCStU
bkrrrrr                    /\     || 2-FlaSt 6-Syrac 10-UFla 14-Missi 18-Color 
brooks@ast1.spa.umn.edu __/__\__  || 3-'Bama 7-Washi 11-Nebr 15-USCal 19-WshSt 
(128.101.221.1)          /    \   || 4-NotrD 8-Georg 12-Stan 16-OhioS 20-MissS 
====-----=-----=-----=-----=-----====-----=-----==-----=-----==-----=-----====
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Kansas loses 2 players to AlohaBowl
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:14:01 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article AqL@encore.com, jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>
>>This brings up a scary thought for Florida State.  It hasn't happened this
>>season, but if Charlie Ward gets hurt then the next QB in line is true
>>freshman Danny Kannell.  Originally we would have gone with Kenny Felder but
>>he left FSU to pursue pro baseball, effectively leaving us without an
>>experienced backup QB.  Of course Kannell has not had all that much playing
>>time this year either, so the concern will carry over next year.  Stay
>>healthy Charlie!!!
>
>Kannell will be a great QB at FSU. He's a very smart player and has the
>physical tools and attitude that should make him one of the best QBs in
>football. It's a shame Bowden didn't play him more instead of leaving Ward
>in so long in some of the blowouts. By the time he brought Dan in the
>score was so high he told him not to pass so it wouldn't look like FSU
>was running up the score even more.
>
>
Yeah, you're right.  He does look like he will be a good one.  I really wish
he could have gotten more playing time too.  He's just one injury of Ward
away from having to lead the team.  I hope he has a great spring practice
and can get some quality playing time early next year. The schedule I have
shows us opening at Duke, Clemson in Tallahassee, then at UNC.  There is no
real clear "breather" next year except for the lower echelon ACC teams since
Tulane was replaced with Notre Dame.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: ACC quiz: was re:Pac 10 quiz
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 69970@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu, mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.123816.13405@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harr
>is.com (David Head) writes:
>>
>>A similar quiz of ACC cities is not much easier, especially since there
>>are 4 in North Carolina.  Here's a guess, from north to south:
>>
>>       College Park, MD        (Maryland)
>>       Charlottesville, VA     (Virginia)
>>       Winston Salem, NC       (Wake Forest)
>>       Chapel Hill, NC         (UNC)
>>       Raleigh, NC             (N.C. State)
>>       Durham, NC              (Duke)
>>       Clemson, SC             (Clemson)
>>       Atlanta, GA             (Ga. Tech)
>>       Tallahassee, FL         (Florida State)
>>
>>
>>The real guesses of which are further north (without a map) are Winston Salem,
>>Chapel Hill, and Raleigh.
>>
>Not bad, now lets try to rank tobacco road from east to west.  Incidently can
>any one name a team that used to be in the ACC but now isn't?  I know of at
>least one.
>

Sure.  South Carolina, newly of the SEC, used to be in the ACC.  The ACC from
east to west would be really tough without a map ... it's a fairly linear
conference.  Heck, I'm not even sure of my north-south guesses (in NC) 
without a map!
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Does nobody know the answer???
Keywords: AP POLLS
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:37:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper) wrote:
}
}Exactly who votes in the AP college football poll?  I know that it is 
}sportscasters and writers, but do the same ones vote each week? 

Yes - the same voters are used throughout the season.  There is 
a substantial turnover from season to season, however, which
explains why the poll is so inconsistent from year to year.
The coaches' poll has much less volatility from year to year,
and subsequently seems less inconsistent from year to year (IMHO).

}Also, how does the poll itself work?  Does a team get a certain number
}of points based on where each pollster places them, and then the
}points are added and the teams are ranked by points? 

25 points for each 1st place vote, 24 for second, etc. down to 
1 point for a 25th place vote.  Add them up and rank by the
totals.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

           "You're living in your own private Idaho."
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac-10 quiz
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:32:44 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <BzDC8o.EnE@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>--PLH (for the SWC, it goes from west to east: Lubbock, Austin, Waco, Ft.
>Worth, Dallas, College Station, and Houston...:-)

Fort Worth is slightly west of Waco.

- goober (fort worth: where the west begins
          dallas: where the east peters out) smith
From: v386mb4w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: please re-post top 25
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Would someone please re-post the AP Top 25 (for the regular season)?

thanks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Bear and A&M
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:29:02 GMT

In article <1gagtpINNo53@tamsun.tamu.edu>
gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
> You asked if there was any proof that he was involved in or knew about
> the payments.  I gave you a quote from his book that he at least knew
> about them.  I personally think that he was even more involved than that
> but he was not stupid enough to admit that.

I am not that familiar with Bryant's tenure at A&M, and I certainly
don't have enough facts to dispute your claim.  However, I am familiar
with Bryant's conduct at Alabama and I just assumed his conduct was
consistent throughout his career.

> I left the rest of the quotes in because they were all in the same
> file.  I also have no doubt that his home was Alabama.  That suits
> me just fine.  You guys can continue to rever him as much as you want.

Hey, we don't just revere him.  We *worship* him!  I *believe* the
Bear can walk on water, and when I die I'm going to the Sugar Bowl!

(welcome to the Church of Bear, services already in progress)

... Let *him* plan your wishbone backfield!  Let *him* tell you when
to blitz on first down.  He'll fill your life with joy, and suspense!
Do you *believe*?  Can you *see* the Tide?  Cay you say BINGO?  Can you
say ROLL TIDE?  Who is on The Bear's team, let him stand with me this
morning!  Halelujah!

(crowd joins in reciting The Bear's prayer)

The Bear is my coach, I shall not lose.
He leadeth me in the path of the triple option.
He filleth my cupboard with Golden Flake potato chips.
My cup runneth over with Coca-Cola!
Yea, though I walk through the happy valley,
I shall fear no lions, for Bear is with me.
His muffled voice and etched face, they comfort me.
Surely victories and Big-4 bowl bids will follow me
all the days of my life,
And I shall dwell in the house of winning seasons forever.

(crowd joins in singing Yea! Alabama)

That concludes our service for today.  A reception will follow at
Dreamland BBQ (for overnight delivery, call 1-800-752-0544).

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: smithg@a.cs.okstate.edu (SMITH GARY WAYNE)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:09:10 GMT

In article <1gni2jINNfgo@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@guardian.WPI.EDU (Jason R Heminger) writes:
>	This may sound biased considering the fact that I am a big Michigan
>fan, but I feel that there was no choice for the Heisman last year except
>for Desmond Howard...
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Desmond who? 

- goober (who) smith
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