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From: wford@arrirs04.uta.edu (William A. Ford)
Subject: Rice X11R4 and colors 
Organization: Automation and Robotics Research Institute, U Texas @ Arlington
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:56:09 GMT

We have downloaded the brazos.is.rice.edu X11R4 code, and have a slight 
problem. NO Color Xterms.  After starting xinit I issue twm and the
system returns Warning black,white and gray85 not found.  Color apps
do find some of the right colors but not all.  

showrgb does display the color definitions as if it was working.   

thanks 
Bill Ford & Robert Duff
UT Arlington ARRI
wford@arri.uta.edu
rduff@arri.uta.edu
From: ehrlich@cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: X Server Kernel for RT 6152?
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:17:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1=9Hvzgj6
Organization: Computer Science Department, Penn State University

I remember one being posted a while back.  Where can I get it?  Does it
really work?

-- Dan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
From: ah6p@sahara..acc.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: RT Software
Originator: ah6p@sahara.evsc.virginia.edu
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:44:33 GMT

We recently acquired some RT 135 workstations with AIX 2.2.1 OS software
and X11R3. Although they are functional, they lack many of the amenities
associated with more recent UNIX systems (the 'compress' command comes to 
mind.....), so we are looking for sources of software for upgrading both
the OS and X-windows.

If you've got your RT configured "just right", we'd like to hear how you
did it! Good anonymous FTP sites for RT software would be much appreciated.

We'll put a compendium of responses back on the net after we have a sizable
packet.

Thanks! Send responses via e-mail to: ah6p@virginia.edu  (internet)
                                      ah6p@virginia       (bitnet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)
Subject: Re: problem making gcc for RT, AIX 2.2.1
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:46:32 GMT


There are three things you need to change to make gcc work on RT AIX:

	1. assembler syntax is different (registers have numbers
	instead of names; opcode names are sometimes different)

	2. all (?) code is position independent

	3. floating point is different

--
    John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt,comp.unix.aix
From: acyoung@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Aaron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: Remote printing, lpd, etc....
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:24:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: newstand.1992Apr8.192430.5513
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: acyoung@rodan.acs.syr.edu


First:  A word of thanks to all those who helped me through my sendmail.cf
question, and also those who gave me input on my DNS prob.  Those two
problems are history.

The only thing currently holding me up is remote printing.  What I have is two
RT's one has a printer, the other doesn't.  They are not on the same
subnet and are in different parts of the building.  Both have 8 bit
ungerman-bass ethernet cards.

I have define my printserver host, added the remote queue to the host that 
does not have the printer (so it knows to print elsewhere), and added
the host to my printservers host.lpd.  

It almost works....I use 'print rp0 /etc/qconfig' as my test and it
cause a new lpd daemon to start, but then it just hangs there and 10
mins later I get an error on the printserver saying that the lpd lost
it's connection.  I get this same message on the printserver if I cancel
the job on the remote machine.

The only time it works is when I use a very small file.  As soon as I get
into a big file it does the above.

This symptom (now that I think of it) happens when I ftp from RT to
RT also....binaries never come through and only small text files will,
no large text files come through at all.  FTP to other sites work
fine.

So if anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate your insight. 

Thanks in advance,

Aaron
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
From: matt@karazm.math.uh.edu (Matt Emerson)
Subject: GENERIC configuration file (AOS 4.3)
Organization: University of Houston -- Department of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:32:04 GMT

Could someone email me a copy of /sys/conf/GENERIC from an AOS 4.3 system?

(I think that's the pathname. Anyway, it's the file that /etc/config reads
to set you up for building a new kernel.)

-matt

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From: ed@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Ed Geraghty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: WANTED: RT ethernet adapter
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:03:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine -- Dynamic Brain Imaging Lab

Greetings,

    I am looking to buy an Ethernet Adapter for my RT. I called Ungermann-Bass
and they wanted $395 for the adapter for the RT. Before I go a spend 400 dollars
on a card I figured I would ask here. Does anybody have a card they don't use and 
would like to make some quick bucks. 
  
                                  Thanx in Advance,

                                  Ed G.

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Systems Manager                     |   all the time..." - JP "Electric Eye"
Albert Einstein College of Medicine | 
Dynamic Brain Imaging Lab           |  "Whenever you dream, you're holding a 
Bronx, NYC 10461                    |   key. It opens a door to let you be 
email: geraghty@aecom.yu.edu        |   free" - Ronnie James Dio
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From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: X11R5 server/clients now working...
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:20:19 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

I didn't have any luck with Xibm-athena either.  brazos.is.rice.edu
appears to have the server and the fonts, but not the libraries or
clients.  Maybe the good people at Rice would be willing to share the
changes they had to make to build the server for RT AIX.  Apparently
the code needs a lot of tweaking to get past the RT compiler.

-- 
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IBM Advanced Workstations Div.    "If a frog had wings, he wouldn't hit his tail
Austin, TX                         on the ground.  Too hypothetical." - G. Bush
My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
From: hansk@aie.nl (Hans Kinwel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: X.25 configuration on RT. How?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:25:59 GMT
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands

Hi, we got the following problem: we are trying to connect from one side
of Europe to the other side, that is, from the Netherlands to Spain, via
X.25.

We reach the other machine (as the modem lights there flicker when we
try to make a connection), but the other machine refuses to connect to
us.  It seems like a configuration problem to me.  That is, a
configurations problem at the "Madrid" site.

Problem is: the guy in Madrid, their local sysadm, althoug very friendly, 
not only speaks English very bad, he also hardly knows what he is
doing.

So, dear netters, given an IBM RT, running AIX, with an IBM X.25 package
(no version numbers known) WHAT could be the names of the configuration
files and/or WHAT could be our problem. 
This in the hope that the guy in Madrid could fax us the files, and that
we from there on could decipher our problem.
Our only alternative is to make a trip to Madrid to edit (presumably)
one lousy configuration file.

PLEASE EMAIL REPLIES, as our site does not yet receive
comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt.  
And oh, yes, we tried all sorts of "userdata" fields.

Thank you very much in advance,

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From: eeep@carina.unm.edu (Peter Blemel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt,comp.unix.aix
Subject: X11R5 server/clients now working...
Summary: Finally, it works.
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:30:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.cjpj!jc
Organization: Disorganization

Hi,

   Well, a combination of things has produced a working X11R5 binary
system on my RT. I never got the code from MIT (Xibm-athena) to work.
In fact, it doesn't even pass the compiler, so I'm guessing it has
never been tested on the RT under AIX. Even after I cleaned it up, it
crashed the server or didn't run at all. rune@sharkey.cc.umich.edu (Rune
Riisnaes) pointed me to a server binary that works great for me, but
crashes his machine. His OS is a bit further behind than mine in patches
and updates. That server is at brazos.is.rice.edu in pub/aix_rt (or
rt_aix, I don't recall).  The clients / fonts / etc. from export all
compile pretty much streight out of the box, with a few exceptions.
Together they make a full X11R5 system. Yippie!

The final directory sizes are (in blocks) :

19586 /usr/lib/X11
70640 /usr/bin/X11
2380 /usr/include/X11

To make X11R5 on the RT (AIX 2.2.1) you'll need about 120mb of free disk
space. My system is at update level 1773, if that helps but I don't know 
what the minimum needs to be. I'll send binaries to anyone who sends me
a tape, but if you must make R5 yourself send me mail and I'll try to
recant how I did it. It's not a very clean job. My system is a 6150/135
with 16mb of ram, tcpip, and AIX2.2.1 (1773).

brazos also has a set of X11R4 binaries, as well as the upgrades to the
AIX operating system. You need to use bffcreate and updatep to apply them.
Let me know if you lack the documentation to do the update, and I'll fax
or mail the appropriate pages. I'm assuming that since they're there, they
can be had and applied.

Peter Blemel
Management Sciences, Inc.
(505) 255 - 8611
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Advice sought on installing 386 motherboards into ATs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:12:47 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>My poor little AT clone is near useless now. I really need the memory
>management features of the 386 chip to get anything useful done (read:
>run Linux).
>Can I just drop the 386 board into my AT case and still use the same
>power supply, disk controller, keyboard, and EGA card?

>Will I need to buy new ram or can I use my 80ns drams?

>Is the installation easy or should I pay someone?
*----
Most current 386 motherboards are smaller than the AT 286 board.
You'll need standoff insulators from the original board to mount
the new one.  Chances are good, if you get a "baby" size 386
board, that only one screw hole will line up in your old AT
chassis (though if it's a clone and not genuine IBM, it might
accomodate the new board properly).  If that's the case, don't
worry - by the time your peripheral boards are installed, 
everything will be tight.  You can keep the power supply,
disk controller, keyboard, and EGA.

You'll be hard-pressed to find a 386 board that can use your DRAMs,
but 80 ns. should be fast enough for most 386-25 MHz boards.
DRAMs aren't popular because they take up so much board geography.

The installation is easy if you're not squeamish about removing
all disk drives, boards, and cables from the machine so you can
get to the motherboard.  Draw diagrams or mark how cables go, 
since they may not be keyed.  But you can pay me if you want.
One thing to look out for:  If your case was not designed to
accomodate smaller motherboards, you might have to put a piece
of cardboard or other insulating material under part of the
motherboard to keep it from shorting against metal parts of the
enclosure.
--
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	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: 486-50 vs. 486-33DX
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:45:19 GMT

I'm thinking of upgrading from my 33DX to a 50DX, but what are the advantages
of this?  I just get better performance right?  Is there a difference
besides speed in these two chips.  What is the DX2 anyway that I noticed
around.  33DX upgrade for me is going to cost $150.00 to a 50DX, is it
worth the trouble of swapping boards?  My mind says yes, but physically
I say no.  Maybe the 586 would be worth it if the price is not to high.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: Re: HELP (DAMN 60ns!!!)
Organization: Cyberdyne Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1992 06:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Mar30.171932.2959@kessner.denver.co.us> david@kessner.denver.co.us (David Kessner) writes:
[...]
>Thus, 60ns DRAM can get data in 60ns, but it takes another 60ns before you
>can do this again.  Effectively you can only use the DRAM every 120ns.

That's if the memory controller is shit. Page-mode ram allows multiple
accesses if the memory is in the same page of the chip row-column. 

And interleaving the memory addresses over the banks effectively deals
with the latency that DRAMS have.

>So, if you were actually using a CPU that wanted to do a memory access every
>30ns you would need 15ns DRAM (assuming such a thing existed).

And this is what cache memory is all about.

>-- 
>David Kessner - david@kessner.denver.co.us              Reunite Pangea!
>I'm lost in Aurora, Colorado!  (303) 745-6577
>do { ... } while( jones);

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ujabanco@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (John Abanco)
Subject: 1 Meg, 640kconv, 0k ext?? AMI BIOS
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:39:13 GMT

Well, just upgraded to a 386-40 for $150 (sold old motherboard) and got
a question.

I've got 1 megabyte of memory (256k SIMM), running 5/5/91 dated AMI BIOS
and can't seem to find/free up the 384k of extended memory I should
have. I tried to disable any SHADOW BIOS and anything that might use up
memory and I still can't get it to recognize even 1k of Extended memory.

In the manual, an example screen shows 640k Base, and 3072k Extended
memory. I'm guessing 4 Megabytes or 4096k. 3072k+640k=3712k. What
happened to the other 384k? I'm planning on upgrading to 2 megs, but if
I should be able to get some extended memory, I'd like to know if maybe
something is wrong with the BIOS or Motherboard.

If you know of any way for me to access the "disappeared" 384k, please
E-mail me. I'll try and scan through this group for the next 3-4 days,
since I don't frequent it that much. Thanks in advance!

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From: kyw@watson.ibm.com (Ko-Yang Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Minimum machine config to run Unix. Re: Intel 486 DX-50 versus DX2-50
Keywords: Unix, Gateway2000, PC, monitor, X window
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:55:11 GMT
Followup-To: kyw@watson.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In light of all the discussion about 486DX and 486-DX2, I am wondering
what is the minimum configuration to run Unix and X on a 486 machine?

I just ordered a Gateway 2000 486DX-33 with 16 MB of memory, 210 MB
IDE drive, ATI Graphic Utra, And NEC 3FG monitor.
The cost of the machine is as follows: (I figure someone might be interested)
		Gateway 2000 486/33 		$2695
		w 64 KB cache
		  8 MB memory
		  210 MB HD (western digital) w 64KB cache	
		  1.2 and 1.44 TEAC floppy drives
		8 MB memory upgrade		$ 320
		NEC 3FG upgrade			$ 350
		Telepath modem			$ 195
		shipping 			$  95
		--------------------------------------	
		Total				$3655

Is this setup powerful enough to run UNIX? X? or should I go SCSI and
EISA (which is another $1100!). How about HD size?
Is NEC 3FG worth the extra $155 upgrade (from the Gateway 15")?

Also what is the best non-expensive UNIX available for 486?
Is there any freeware UNIX available?
Thank you very much for all your information.
I will summarize the reply.

Best Regards,
Ko-Yang
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From: schurech@fnal.gov (Kurt Schurecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Using Sun SCSI Shoebox on an IBM?
Summary: Using Sun SCSI Shoebox on IBM?
Keywords: Sun,SCSI
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:27:29 GMT

We are upgrading our Sun3/60s to Sparc 2s, which leaves about 5 old Sun
shoeboxes around that we can't use on the new machines and Sun doesn't
want in the tradein.  The shoeboxes all contain SCSI tape drives and 350MB
ESDI disks with an ESDI to SCSI card.  So to the outside world they should
be just two SCSI devices.  My question is can we buy some PC SCSI controllers
and connect these shoeboxes to PCs?  Has anyone done it?

Kurt Schurecht
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ferwil@ms.uky.edu (Fernie D. Williams III)
Subject: Expansion Chassis - More Slots?
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:56:19 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

We have an HP Vetra20 as a Netware 3.11 fileserver. Granted it is only a
386/20DX, it is utilized very little at this site. What I need is any
information about expansion slots/chassis. We have the following:

- Video card  (8 bit)
- UPS card (8 bit) = may be removed
- ADIC SCSI (16 bit)
- Arcnet TCC (16 bit)
- Arcnet TCC (16 bit)
- Arcnet 100 Mbs (16 bit)
- Storage Dimensions SCSI (16 bit) magneto-optical drive
- ESDI/Floppy controller (16 bit)

At this point we are stuffed. A new PC would not help in most areas of this
arrangment.

I have seen (in the past) expansion chassis that extend the bus to another
case (one for the 8 bit and one card for the 16 bit extension of ISA).

We will probably need 6-8 more slots.

Any help/comments/suggestions/leads/sources/installations... will be
greatly appreciated.

A
B

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Subject: Re: 386SX Question
Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:37:35 GMT


In a previous article, wwitt@adara.intel.com (Wolf Witt) says:

>In article <1992Mar28.021336.23574@tandon.com> tomb@tandon.com
>(Tom Barrett) writes:
>>
>>>Maybe a stupid question: Will a 486SX proc. work if just plugged in
>>>where the 386 proc. was?
>>
>>As you may have seen elsewhere in this newsgroup (there was a posting 
>>about an article in the Dallas Morning News) or in the various trade 
>>Journals (like EETimes and the Microprocessor Report), Cyrix Corp
>>is planning to announce a 386 chip replacement with an internal 
>>cache pretty soon. 
>
>Not to put down Cyrix or anybody else, but...
>
>People who think that the Cyrix part will dramatically increase
>performance in existing 386SX systems due to the internal cache are
>overlooking something: The internal cache won't work in existing
>systems.
>

It would be nice if you could just swap a 386sx processor, but 
I don't think you can remove a 386sx.  They don't come off.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: saf@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein)
Subject: COM1-3 / 2-4 Conflicts.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:36:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I've known for some time that you can't use COM1 and COM3, or COM2 and
COM4 at the same time.  It has something to do with interrupts as I
understand it.  But I was sondering if someone had a detailed
explanation on why this is so.  Also why is it possible to use all COM
ports on an IBM PS/2?

Is there a way around this?  How do multiline BBS's work?  Do they all
use special serial I/O Cards?

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated, of if this has
already been discussed, then please point me to a place where I can
ftp this info from.  Thanks.

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From: dougm@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Doug Mcintyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: SCSI Tape info needed..
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:05:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: orbit.7468
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Does anybody have a list of SCSI Tape drive manufactorers sitting around? I'm
looking, but not finding anything besides the Viper? I want some generally
cheap solutions to SCSI tape, I don't need a 1.3G DAT drive or something like
that.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: peril@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Lisle)
Subject: BusTek EISA SCSI controller
Keywords: SCSI BusTek Address
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:41:14 GMT

We have a BusTek EISA SCSI controller card at work, but no manuals (we do have
the EISA configuration disk). I would like to contact BusTek on various matters
bu do not have their address. If someone does have the Address+ Phone & Fax
numbers for BusTek - PLEASE post them to the group (or mail them to me).

Thanks!
From: daparish@beckman.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: AMI vs MICRONICS MOTHER BOARDS survey.
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:46:59 GMT
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In article <1992Apr2.163339.3865@digi.lonestar.org>, rnegrete@digi.lonestar.org (Ricardo Negrete) writes:
> 
> AMI is more expensive than Micronics. In your opinion is it worth 
> the extra cost? (Consider that the AMI has 2s,1p, 2FD,IDE controllers
> built-in.)
> 
> In your opinion which is the best motherboard out there?
> 
> Any MB from Taiwan that is as good as the AMI & Micronics?
 
 looking at motherboard prices last week, I notice that Micronics has lowered
 there 386 motherboard prices by about $200.
 
 I've seen adds for the Micronics 386/40 with cpu for $425 and had others
 confirm they would match the price.

 Makes justifying the AMI just a little more difficult, n'est ce pas?

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