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From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Peacekeeper wounded during Israeli shelling, UNIFIL reports
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 09:57:54 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
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[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Mon, 12 Oct 92 6:11:39 PDT ]

	TYRE, Lebanon (UPI) -- A United Nations peacekeeper was wounded during
Sunday's Israeli shelling on Shiite villages in southern Lebanon, a
spokesman of the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said Monday.
	Timor Goksel said the U.N. soldier from the Nepalese battalion was
injured in both legs when shells fell close to a UNIFIL position near
the villages of Kafra and Yater, east of the southern port city of Tyre.
	The injured peacekeeper, whose name was not disclosed, was
transported to UNIFIL headquarters in the border town of Naqoura, Goksel
said.
	He was among seven people who were wounded during heavy Israeli
shelling on a number of Shiite villages Sunday. The bombardment was in
retaliation for attacks by Muslim guerrillas on pro-Israeli forces at
the edge of Israel's self-declared security zone that wounded six South
Lebanon Army militiamen.
	Last month, an Irish peacekeeper was killed and another was wounded
when guerrillas of the pro-Iranian Hezbollah opened fire on a checkpoint
in the area of Jmeijmeh.
	Some 188 peacekeepers have been killed since the 5,600-member force
was deployed in southern Lebanon in 1978. The force is made up of
contingents from Nepal, France, Fiji, Norway, Italy, Poland, Ireland,
Ghana and Finland. It was recently joined by Polish and Russian
peacekeepers.

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From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: Re: Israel vs Syria
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:13:16 GMT

Yes Elie that's the conclusion we want. We all agree that foreign forces
must go out. but when ?

Well, as a Muslim who was in West Beirut after the Israeli invasion and
who saw what "his" army (the lebaneese army) did to him and other
inhabitants of west beirut, I would be reluctant to ask the force that
stopped the blodshed in west beirut by its presence there to ask that
fiorce to pull out and give the area back to this same army (assuming we
were stillin the dayts of Aoun). It is hard for me ask that foreign
force to leave so that I may be taken over by the one who is shelling me
daily (at the time of Aoun).

I think today we have a chancde for the government to prove that it is
worthy of our trust and for the army to prove that it is for all
lebaneese and not the maronite elite. If this happens and they have my
trust then I will ask Syria to leave. And beleive me Elie although it is
rtrue that the majority of Lebaneese do not like the syrian presence but
for them it is far nmore better than the return to the old sytstem.


rached
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:57:52 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1992Oct15.132330.6807@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:


|> I have said that earlier and I repeat it. I beleive that the Syrians
|> will get out of Lebanon once we are able to proove that we deserve our
|> country. In my opinion they are not gaining much by occupying Lebanon
|> other than preventing the country from disintegrating once more into war
|> and threatening them. Again they were invited that is not the case for
|> Israel.


[...]


I really can't follow your reasoning here.  You say that you "believe"
that the Syrians are not occupying Lebanon and are only there to
"prevent the disintegration" of Lebanon.

I would have liked it if you provided some foundations for you belief,
I'd like to believe it myself, however the facts on the ground are
completely contrary to that belief.
The Syrians were supposed to withdraw in September from parts of Lebanon,
yet they have not done so, actually Mr. Khaddam has publicly announced
that they have no intention of doing so in the near future.
Every major or minor government decision has to be cleared in Damascus
and even when you check in to the "hassle-free", Lebanese airport
you had to go through Syrian Mukhabarat lines.
The Lebanese Army is now under total control of Syria.
In the ME peace negociations Lebanon does not make a move before
asking permission.
Syria is gaining much by occupying Lebanon, it is achieveing
part of its goal of "Greater Syria" and using Lebanon as another
pawn in its ME negociations with Israel.
Lebanon is NOT a sovereign country, and no matter what euphemism
you use, and under what circumstances the Syrian "intervention"
or "occupation" began, the end result remains that we are now completely
subjugated to Syria.  That may be a fact that you might think is 
good.  But regardless, it is time for us to "come clean" and admit
that we are NOT citizens of an independent country called Lebanon.

Lebanon is OCCUPIED by both Syria and Israel, and the Lebanese
government is a puppet government that is not working in the
best interests of Lebanon, bur rather is an accomplice to
the dissolution of Lebanon.

I hope you will find it in you to be honest with yourself,
and I hope that ultimately we would all join in working
to restore Lebanon's sovereignty and independance, notwithstanding 
our religious affiliation.

These are my beliefs and I contend that mine are more founded in reality
than yours are.

|> rached

Sincerely,

Basil
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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:42:11 GMT

In article <Oct16.163036.79876@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:

>
>                                                     , the Syrians
>have been asked to leave, the Lebanese parliament ratified a document
>called the Taif agreement which formally asks them to leave.  They
>have publically announced they do not wish to do so and are dragging 
>their feet.
> 

Since almost all of us are out for facts (it does seem to be the
trendy word these days), let us get them straight.


Yes the Taif does call on Syria to withdraw, the question is: When?

According to the agreement and as it was appendixed in the 
book of Said Salman "Lubnan wal-Taif" it says the following:

"....fi fatra zamania aqSaha sintan tabda' ba3da l-mousadaqa
3ala wathiqit al-wifaq al-waTani wa-intikhab ra'is al-jamhouriya
watashkeel Houkoumat al-wifaq al-waTani, wa-iqrar al-iSlaHat
al-syasiya fi Souratin distouriya, wa fi nihayati hazhihi al-fatra
touqarir al-Houkoumatan.......".

Obviously the above does leave the beginning of the two
year period up to whoever to decide when to start the count.
And that is the point, I believe, that gave Khaddam 
his argument.

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From: krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: English ? (Was Re: soc.culture.lebanon.dialect?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:57:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct7.145729.3622
Reply-To: tabbara@3d.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct7.111048.2755@ulrik.uio.no>, e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
|>
|>I want us to write Lebanese, and that Lebanese become a language on equal
|>footing with any other language. True Lebanese is an Arabic dialect, so is
|>Maltese. YEt we call Maltese MAltese and not Arabic.
|>

Why invent another language ? Especially when it is so similar to another existing 
language ? Are you really going to spend your time and effort on creating such a 
thing ? 

|>Moreover, for this purpose I want to use the Latin alphabet. Not because I
|>dislike tha Arabic alphabet, but not having any emotional attachement to it, I
|>see that it will be easier to use the Latin alphabet.
|>
|>elie wardini
|>

I really think that you have some sort of dislike or an aversion to Arabic.
This is understandable (but not excusable) because the Arabs are not 
in the best shape nowadays (to put it mildly :-). I think it would be better if we 
helped change the image  that people have of us instead of pretending we are
something that we clearly are NOT. and inventing new languages along the way....

Elie, creating a Lebanese language using the Latin Alphabet will NOT improve
the image that people in Europe and the U.S have of Lebanon and its people.

On the other hand, creating an alphabet so we can communicate better over ASCII 
terminals does make sense (to exchange jokes and other Lebanese folklore like Alex said).

Regards,


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From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Thank you but No.
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:37:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bw6q57.525@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:

I think Samir misses the point.

>Why does it sound like they are doing you a favor by calling "israel"
>an occupier?!!..And they do wait for that something in return!!!.

The key is Syria CLAIMS to be helping Lebanon from Israeli domination.
Israel on the other hand CLAIMS to be helping Lebanon from Syrian domination.
Or at least that's how they sell their position to the world.

>It is incomprehensible how someone's resistance to an occupier (be it
>political, military, or otherwise), if it is their true belief that
>"israel" is an occupier, is contingent upon others' view of Syria!!!.

Well, I am afraid that Elie Wardini chose his words poorly.
Actually at least he admits he made a mistake in the past and that's good.

>The mere comparison between Syria and "israel" is reprehensible.
>Equating Syria with "israel" is incogitable.

Is this something like whether one would prefer to die in the gas
chamber or via an electric shock ? 

Regards, Elie.


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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Message from American Lebanese Committee for Bill Clinton
Organization: UiO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.043503.6118@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I.
Mourad) writes:
>
>
>Washington Times Ad (Oct. 13, 1992)
>
>A MESSAGE TO FELLOW AMERICANS FROM THE
>AMERICAN LEBANESE COMMITTEE FOR BILL CLINTON
>
>Dear Friends:

[...]

>1. A restoration of Lebanon's full independence, sovereignty, unity,
>   freedom, democracy and territorial integrity within its internationally
>   recognized borders. This would entail the removal of all foreign forces
>   from Lebanese territory, commencing with the immediate and unconditional
>   withdrawal of Syrian occupation forces and surrogate organizations.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Syian and Israeli!


>
>American Lebanese Committee for Bill Clinton
>1331-A Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Suite 426
>Washington, DC 20004
>


elie wardini
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:26:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct15.232643.7366
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

I just wanted to point out my full agreement with the points made by
both Rached and A. Fardoun.  I think that there is an ocean of
difference between an invading, thus, occupying force, and an invited
outsider (the Syrians).  Mr. A. Fardoun did make a solid argument in
putting the onus on us, the Lebanese to rid ourselves from the
outsiders.  The main solution is from within.  

Assad was hailed as the savior at some point during the War as both
Rached and A.  Fardoun alluded in their posts.  So, what happened now
is that there is no more need for Assad in Lebanon as the Syrians are
trying to do their best to steer the policies of the neighboring weak
state into submission. Consequently, we expect the Syrians to pick up
their bags and wave goodbyes!!!!  BS!  In politics, as in every aspect
of life, there is a PRICE to pay for every mistake committed.  The
people who are paying the most are the ones who have made the mistake
of inviting Syria in the first place and who are now screaming the
loudest ('Darabni wa baka, Saba'ani wa shtaka').  If these people want
to go back to old Lebanon, I tell you right now, I'd prefer the
Syrians to suck our blood instead of it being sucked the old fashion
way. At least, everybody would be treated equally this way!  If on the
other hand, these people show a bona fide willingness to throw the old
Lebanese system in the trash where it belongs AND build mutual trusts
with the rest of the Lebanese, then and until then we could seriously
start talking about removing Assad's pictures from our airport.  These
people could start by joining the efforts in saving Lebanon (the
South) from the *uninvited* Israelis and their tools first.  I think
this would be *the* most, if not the only constructive step toward a
social trust among the different groups in Lebanon.


P.S. By 'people', I meant all those who were benefiting from the old
corrupt Lebanese system of government.

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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Arabic alphabet, any interest?
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:57:36 GMT

If there are any who are interested in discussing the Arabic alphabet, in any
of its aspects: eg. developement, history, origine, beauty, use, problems (all
alphabets have problems), I have with the present post just started a string.

I am willing to take part with my knowledge, but I am sure there is much to
learn.

Yes, I am not attached to the Arabic alphabet yet this does not mean that I can
not look at it and contemplete its beauty.

To be honest, I am more stirred at the sight of a Phoenician inscription,
especially because I can decipher some of them, or at the sight of the Syriac
alphabet. Not so much the Hebrew Alphabet, even if it is the closest to the
Phoenician alphabet.

On the other hand, if some are interested I could scan in some Phoenician
inscriptions and I could post them as gifs and we could discuss them if you
want.


Lebanon should be the home with many facets, and colours.

Diversity is our wealth.

elie wardini
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From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: The fifth tin wong
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:33:50 GMT

In article <Bw1Gxq.A3q@acsu.buffalo.edu> v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT) writes:
>well, i am not exactly old, im 21, but he is 17, so everytime i see his 
>posters, i feel old, i guess it is also becuz i look older than him.
>
	You're still young girl, ...only a year older than William who 
	still calls himself a baby...

	Thanks for telling us about your age... Hey guys, please add at  
	least 10 to the girl's age, if you want it to be reliable! :-)

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From: mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN)
Subject: New 3 Lonely Hearts Club News (Important !!!)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 04:43:08 GMT

	
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are they.  We cannot have too many hosts in a club, so please stop your
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	I think you have already noticed that several Drs (not in our club)
had appeared in schk.  We did already contact them, because we don't want a
civil war between Drs.  In order to keep SCHK clear and tidy, we are having
the talks with those individual Drs, we hope that we can have a good
compromise with them.

	The first 'Weekly Love Story' will be released on Thurday (every
Thurday), please keep your attention and give some comment.  Because the
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	About your queries of love, we decide to set up a section call 'Q & A',
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From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Subject: Thank God!!! It happened this way!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:07:03 GMT


  I guess most people won't know what had heppened here in
University Nebraska Lincoln campus. However, thanks God, it happened
in this way.

  At  12:30 pm, Sept. 12 1992, in Furguson Hall Room 112, University
Nebraska Lincoln campus, a student carried a semi-automatic weapon
with two fully loaded magazine--totally 60 bullet, tried to open fire
to his classmates. Since it was at noon, and the 11:30 classes had
just dismissed and the 12:30 classed was about to start, the whole
floor was full with people.

  I leaved the classroom at 12:25 and went down to the basement to
meet my wife. While I was having my lunch with my wife, I heard a big
disturbance. However, I didn't know what was going on.

  It was so lucky that the potential  shooter's rifle was jammed and
he couldn't open fire. And the shooter's classmates rush out from the
class like hell.

  The shooter leaved after he could fix his gun and get caught after
short while. No  one got hurt during the whole incidence.

  However, if the shooter's gun had not jammed, I won't know and dare
not to  know what could happen. Since one of our friend was in that
class.

  Thank God!!! It happened this way!!!

  steve
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From: u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: how can i apply a internet address in hk?
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:03:18 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

anyone know how can i apply a internet address 
in HK?

eg. I have a company in HK, and i want hook to internet
what should I do?



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From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Hospitals/medicine in HK
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:19:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92287.141932U58402
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Hi, all!

I'm a medical student at the Univ. of Illinois at Chicago, and I'm trying
to make my plans for my clinical training. One of my options is to do a
clinical rotation in Hong Kong, but I have very little information on the
practice of medicine out there. I've been to Hong Kong only twice in my
life, both for only a couple of days, and only as a tourist. So here are
my questions. I hope you can help me out.

1. What is the practice of medicine like in Hong Kong? Being a British
colony, I would expect that the delivery of health care is along the
lines of the British system. Are most people covered by private insurance,
public/state insurance, or just not covered at all? Are there people
that deliver health care outside of the traditional doctor/nurse/clinic/
hospital system?

2. Are there health concerns specific to Hong Kong that would not be seen
in any other Western urban setting? My guess is that Hong Kong would have
a different spectrum of infectious or tropical disease that would not be
common here in the US.

3. I don't speak Cantonese, and speak a little Mandarin. I don't read
Chinese at all. Would this be a real problem for everyday living? If
I go to Hong Kong, I expect to stay for about a month.

4. This question may sound really stupid, but.... Are there rural areas
of Hong Kong? And if so, are there local clinics, or do the people have to
go into the city for health care? My impression of Hong kong is based
solely on a few days' worth of sight seeing and from watching John Woo
and Jackie Chan films.

Thanks a lot. Posts and email are both welcome.


Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
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