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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: ATTN VOTERS AND Phil E.!!!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:16:39 GMT
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IT APPEARS THAT THE SITE FOR VOTING FOR rec.arts.marching.*****
IS NOT WORKING AT THE MOMENT!

Phil,
	I got this message when trying to write to you and several other
people have written me to say that their votes have bounced when sent
to rmm-vote@blackcat.stortek.com.

EVERYONE -----
SO, if you haven't voted yet, please hold your vote until you see here that
everything is back in order.
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From: fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
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To: fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu, pae@stortek
Subject: Re:  Voting complication.

Well,

	I did reply to it -- my reply was at the end of the last letter.
	Again, hopefully, he'll be satisfied and go away.

Michael

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From: cneal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Neal)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drill Writing Programs???
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:49:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>>Know of any other programs out there?

I don't know if there is an IBM version, but there is a Mac program called Advantage that is MUCH less cumbersome than Pyware. Maybe you have seen or used it. If anyone wants, I'll post an address for the company.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 10:47:16 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1ekm2eINNsph@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
says:
>
>In article <92325.130158MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>2. Politics.
>>
>> The group of friends who I was with that night at Arrowhead (including a
>> Madison fan) was unanimous in feeling that SCV deserved the title. When
>> Madison was announced the winner, all our jaws dropped.  So did most of the
>> jaws of people sitting around us.  The *hysteria* that Reliable Rondo said
>> immediately erupted from the crowd was nowhere in evidence from where we
>> were sitting.  Of course, there wasn't wholesale booing in poor taste like
>> Star has received recently, but it SURE as hell was a surprise to all of us,
>> all drum corps fans since the late 1970s.  I applauded the Scouts for their
>> fine corps and wonderful performance, but strongly felt that SCV and BD had
>> the proverbial sand kicked in their faces.
>
>Every time I here someone say they were there, and they thought this way, I
>have to ask that person if they can tell how well the corps did _on_the_field_
>or what happened in 2, 3, or 4 different categories at the same time.  Maybe
>you are right.  I'm just saying that you as an audience member are not getting
>the same picture that 9 judges are getting (or was it 6 then?).
>
As an individual, no, I can't concentrate on all captions at once.  But in the
group of friends I was with, there were 2 brass players.  There was one guy
who writes and teaches drill.  There were 2 guys (myself included) who write
and teach marching percussion.  All of us had been drum corps fans since
about 1978, so we knew what to look for, and we did have a concensus of
opinion regarding the outcome.
 
I think it is also worthwhile to point out that we did not just see the shows
at finals.  We saw the top 12 three times in three days, from different
positions in the stadium.  Most of us had also seen most or all of the top 12
in earlier-season shows.
 
Mike Hughes
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: my turn
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:07:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <Nov19.171034.44782@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>Ok, I'll play the game too.  Note that I am distinguishing my *favorite*
>show from which show I thought should *win*.
>
>1988:  My *favorite* show was Madison.  But I didn't think they even
>       deserved to be in the top 3, much less win.  I don't understand
>       all this talk about how well they executed.  Just listen to the
>       CD compared to any of the other top 5 corps -- Madison is a mess; 
        ^^                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>       phasing and muffed notes all over the place.  Their balance is
>       also poor.  But what a show!!!  It was my favorite show of the
>       year.  But BD deserved to win.  They were infinitely stronger, IMO.
>

If it is true that there was phasing in the show, then posibly they didn't
deserve to win brass.  There are 2 other captions that you neglected to 
mention.  What about their drum scores?  On the CD, you can't tell what 
the visual show was.  I also don't like to say that there is phasing in a
corps by listening to a recording, because I have thought that there was
phasing in spots of a corps performance, but when I talked to members who
would know, there actually wasn't, it was just the phasing of the microphones.

>Scott

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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:10:00 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <Nov.23.14.58.26.1992.28769@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>
>No, that was 1988.  In 1989 they played Henry V, Fantasia? and Crown
>Imperial.
>
>Help me out guys with their second number?  
>
>I loved this show probably 'cause it reminded me of 27th!

1989 Star -

Henry V - W. Walton
Song Without Words        >   both from Folk Song Suite
Fantasia on the Dargason  >   by Vaughn Williams
Crown Imperial - W. Walton

And a very good show it was and VERY 27th.
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: ties?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:24:34 GMT

In article <1ej2moINNd1j@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>Question:  If two corps tie for 1st place in Finals, do they have a
>"march-off" or are they co-champions?  At some point in history, ties
>resulted in a "march-off" (does anyone have details?).  What is DCI's policy?

Maybe someone else can verify or deny this, but I think that DCI's official
stand is that if for some reason there is a tie between two or more corps
at finals, the tie stands. No runoff. I personally feel that this is an 
absolutely moronic position, but I guess they must have their reasons.

I remember when Phantom and Madison tied at DCM in 1982, and they ran it off.
That was one of the most exciting nights that I can remember in drum corps.

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From: cneal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Neal)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Possible Shows for 93
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:02:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov12.205526.10849@news.stolaf.edu> hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist) writes:
>>Cavies are doing Heroes Lost and Fallen (middle) and Ron Nelson's Morning
>>Alleluia (closer).  As of yet they have no opener.
>
>
>
>	Is the "Morning Alleluia" also known (longer title) as
>	"Morning Alleluias For the Winter Solstice"?  With the
>	rather interesting spacial notation at the beginning
>	(at least in the band transcription) ?  

Yes, it's the same piece, but I don't think it's a transcription. Isn't it an original band piece?? It's much in the same idea as his (Nelson's) Resonances I and Resonances II. Do you have any speculation on how Cavies will treat the funky ending of this piece?? It has 3 short, dissonant chords at the end. It might be cool to extend them a few beats (somewhere between 2 and 32 beats  8^>  ) to let the dissonances REALLY come out. 

This is great music....if you haven't heard this piece, it's a great library addition (IMHO)!

We touched onthis over the summer, but I'm going to bring it back up--what do you (everyone) think would be some really great band--->drum corps transcriptions?? It seems like more corps are gravitating towards the wind band repertoire. I'd love to believe it's following the lead of my buddies at Black Gold, but I know better.

Chris

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: Info request on facets of the Cavies '92 show
Keywords: questions, geeky, composer
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:29:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.051354.3074@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.025112.3640@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:

>>1) Who is Jack Stamp? I noticed he is credited as a composer on one of the
[...]
Thanks for the info, I'll try to track him down.

>>2) On one of the Malcom Arnold 'dances' pieces the BD line plays unison 6's

>The bass drum thing was the brainstorm of Jim Campbell, Cavies percussion
>arranger, and is based on the "one handed" Irish drumming style that you
>may have seen done by bands like the Chieftans. They are playing with one

Yeah, I'm familiar with the technique, I was just wondering if they were using
actual frame-drum beaters or something a bit different. It was aufully strong
for just light little frame-drum beaters (there's probably a proper name 
for these...)

-- flip



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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: my turn
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:10:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

Ok, I'll play the game too.  Note that I am distinguishing my *favorite*
show from which show I thought should *win*.

1987:  This is a tough one.  I could hardly complain with either SCV or
       Garfield winning.  They were both championship shows.  I might
       be slightly biased towards SCV, but that's probably because I
       saw them more times.  May *favorite* show was Phantom Regiment.
       They set the best "mood" I've ever seen.

1988:  My *favorite* show was Madison.  But I didn't think they even
       deserved to be in the top 3, much less win.  I don't understand
       all this talk about how well they executed.  Just listen to the
       CD compared to any of the other top 5 corps -- Madison is a mess;
       phasing and muffed notes all over the place.  Their balance is
       also poor.  But what a show!!!  It was my favorite show of the
       year.  But BD deserved to win.  They were infinitely stronger, IMO.

1989:  Another tough one.  My favorite show was Phantom, but I agree that
       SCV deserved to win.  Actually they were both championship shows.
       I also loved BDs show but my heart sunk when their soloist broke
       down on finals night.  The fundamental problem with their show was
       the closer; in my opinion, "Johnny one-note" is a lousy piece.

1990:  The Cavaliers were my favorite corps, and I also thought they
       deserved to win.  I liked the Cadets opener -- it was truer to
       the original score than their 1985 version.  They had a fine
       show too, but the Cavaliers had a more cohesive show design.

1991:  My favorite show, by far, was Madison.  I'd agree that Star deserved
       to win, though.  They also had the most beautiful uniforms in the
       history of drum corps -- how sad I was when they replaced them in 92.
       Madison's show just CRUISED!  It was the shortest 11 minutes I've
       ever experienced!

1992:  Cavaliers were my favorite show (BD a close second) and they also
       deserved to win.  Awesome show and one of my favorites of all time!

Who will win in 93?  Geez, it's too early to predict that.  Do my rankings
above reflect a trend?  Not that I can see.

Scott
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Where is Fred Sanford???
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:21:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Does anyone know where I can find Fred Sanford? A state, drum corps, city,
anything will help....

Greg


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: DCI
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:31:46 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville



This is a trial run.
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: 'Straw Poll'...was RE:Madison Music
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:07:42 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1eb6frINNp8q@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
> In article <1e9lalINNjs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

[buncha stuff 'bout Madison deleted]

>>agreed... let's take a straw vote and see how many people thought SCV should
>>have won with their Phantom of the Opera show..
> 
> No way!  Madison won it because they where unbelievably clean.  I'm not a
> big Madison fan, and I'm much more of a SCV fan.
> 
>>I'm curious..
>>
>>I still SCV was gyped and they should have won in 1988 and 1989 IMO. I was
>>blown away by Star's show in 1990 and I was pissed when they only got 3rd.
>>just my 2 cents worth..
> 
> SCV's '89 show wasn't as good as '88.  Their drum line wasn't clean and they
> still won drums.  Even guys who march SCV don't acknowledge their top drum
> of '89.  They don't think they deserved it.


Ok...lets look at the evidence from the past few years:

     '88-'everyone' thinks SCV should have won....they won in '89 instead....
     '90-'everyone' isn't sure who should have won in '89....so Garfield wins...
     '91-'everyone' thinks Star should have won in '90....so they win in '91...
     '92-'everyone' thinks that Cavies should have won in '91.....so they won
                    in '92.

['everyone' does not necessarily mean me or you.....just the general sentiment
here.....;) ]

So let's take a poll of 'who should have won in '92'! Maybe we can predict the
world champion for '93!!

I'm personally up for Garfield.


Anyone??


Brooke
Colts '89-'93
Mellophone
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:52:06 GMT
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

In article <92321.133532MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1e36s1INN8tg@early-bird.think.com>, fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu
>(Michael Fath) says:
>>After all, they did WIN in 1988 with Malaguena.
> 
>And a highly questionable result it was, too.
> 
>Mike Hughes

Do you categorically dislike Madison, Mike, or do you just think they were
scored too high in 1988?

1988 was a very interesting year. Scouts had taken several weeks off
for a tour of Europe. When they returned, one week before DCM
Championshiops, they clearly were off the pace of the other corps. I
believe that Scouts placed *5th* (at best, 4th) at the DCM
Championships. They did a huge amount of polishing and cleaning over
the 2nd tour...it did not look at all possible for Scouts to win DCI
that year.

The second noteworthy thing that year was Phantom's attempted use of
the Pit area for the Horn Line ... and hearing from DCI a couple of
weeks before nationals that they couldn't do it. I really like that
change now, but it caused some scrambling for Phantom's staff to
re-design that part of their show on such short notice.

Anyhow, I absolutely loved Nationals that year, and Scouts were a big
part of the fun. Among other things, Madison won brass ensemble and
mallots at Individuals with some really neat performances (question:
where is that incredible Madison keyboard player today??). They
marched in the parade with their marvelous arrangement of The Stars
and Stripes Forever (including the great Piccolo Soprano solo). The
Individuals Concert was much smaller than it is today...very intimate
and special.

My point is that Scouts did it all in 1988. They thoroughly
entertained the fans all week, and it was appreciated.

I understand Garfield's incredible work ethic, but, for me, something
is lost when Garfield doesn't participate in Individuals. And I don't
know if the Blue Devils know how it hurts the perception of their
corps when they win various Individuals titles but don't always
consistently allow the players to perform at the Concert.

To the true fan, individuals are an important part of Championship
Week. I love the Scouts for their committment to entertain those fans
(and have fun while doing it). The fact that they were able to win it
all with such style in 1988 was just outstanding.

--phil
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: Popcorn Survey & DCI
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 05:43:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.171007.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> Don A. Pack writes:
>I am not trying to minimize the importance of audience appeal and entertainment
>value.  The audience buys tickets and ticket sales keeps this art-form viable. 
>In evaluating the overall effectiveness of each corps, objectivity should be
>the primary goal in the judging process.  How objective can the audience be in
>judging drum corps?  Leave the evaluation process in the hands of qualified
>judges who have professional expertise in providing objective results.  


I disagree with this point.  The judging process for DCI is totally 
subjective.  Since there is no "tick" system of accounting for mistakes
(i.e., I saw five mistakes, therefore I record 5 ticks) one can only
say that the judging process is subjective.  How does a judge come up
with a score of 29.9 for the Cadets drumline?  Not always by objective
means.  Certainly, the people who judge for DCI have greater expertise
and judgement than the average fan, but they are far from objective.

Scott
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From: 9225978@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: <None>
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:57:24 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Hi there,
       It's me again with just one more thing to say.

Can I have the name of a drill designing program for a I.B.M. compatable?

Any who knows this and who knows where to get one please E-mail me at

9225978@ul.ie


Ta very much.

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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Trivia
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:46:46 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
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Originator: fath@mbcrr

OK, without peeking, tell me the corps and year during the 1980's that 
each song was performed:
(extra points if you can say who was the original composer for each - I
don't even know the answer for several of them)

1.  Summer Sketches

2.  Interstellar Suite

3.  Armenian Dances

4.  Unsquare Dance

5.  Hungarian Dance #5

6.  Sophisticated Ladies

7.  Open Wide

8.  Live and Let Die

9.  Symphonic Metamorphosis

10. Waltz of the Mushroom Hunters



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