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From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Territories and population of the Balkan states 1913-1923
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:38:18 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


As there was some uncertainty of how big the population of Bulgaria was during
the Balkan wars, here is the data I found (and compiled it into 1 table): 

Population and area of some of the Balkan states before and after the Balkan
Wars and after WWI:


	 |     Area (in sq. miles)      |          Population
__________________________________________________________________________
	 |Before BW   After BW   1923   | Before BW    After BW   1923 
__________________________________________________________________________

Bulgaria | 33 647      43 310    39 841 | 4 337 000   4 467 000  4 910 000

Greece   | 25 014      41 933    50 146 | 2 666 000   4 363 000  5 537 000

Serbia   | 18 650      33 891    96 134 | 2 911 000   4 527 000  12 017 000

(1923 - as YU)

Turkey   | 65 350      10 882   ~ 9 000 | 6 130 000   1 891 000   ?????

(in Europe)

Romania  | 50 720      53 489   122 282 | 7 230 000   7 516 000  17 594 000
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Sources: 

Report of the International Commission to Inquire into the Causes and Conduct
of the Balkan Wars, Washington, 1914.

Lukas J., The Great Powers and Eastern Europe, New York, 1953



Regards

Luben


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From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: A very interesting book on the Balkan people (XIX cent)
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:01:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

Hello everybody,

During my recent investigations for the 'truth' on the Balkans from the
past (and particularly - the Macedonian 'question'), I found a very
interesting book. It describes the people on the Balkans, "their national
characteristics, their manners and customs, educations, religion, their
aims and ambitions" from the last century. And something else - "politically
the book is entirely colourless".

The book is: 


"The people of Turkey: twenty years residence among Bulgarians, Greeks,
Albanians, Turks and Armenians", Consul's daughter and wife,
(ed. Poole, S. L.), London, 1878.

I don't know if there is a new edition of the book, but for everybody who
can find and read the book, I'm sure that it will bring many interesting
facts and stories. BTW, the book describes also Jews, Tatars and
Gipsies !!!


Best regards

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: PETROV@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Ivan Petrov)
Subject: Art Exhibit in Washington D.C.
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11
Organization: Materials Research Laboratory Center for Computation, UOFI
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:40:48 GMT


For your information:

Bulgarian Art Exhibition
Title "PHANTASMAGORY"

Artists: ALEXIEV Nikolai (1953)
         KOLEV Valentin (1948)
         NATZEV Atanas (1952)
         STRATIEV Ivan (1960)

Place: The Art Society of the International Monetary Fund
       700 19th Street, N.W.
       Washington, D.C. 20431

Time:  August 25 - October 16, 1992

Sponsors: First Private Bank, JES Air, Euro 90

Organizers: Valentina Alexandrova and Shirley Hayes Ganao
            (202) 396-0345

I expect more information from Valentina.

Regards

Ivan
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Another famous date - the 6th of September 1885
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:37:30 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


Hello everybody,

As far as I remember the 6th of September is the date for celebrating the
Union of Bulgaria with East Roumelia. In older books the date given is the
18th of September 1885 (old style) and going to "new style" it should be
the 5th of September, but I remember it being the 6th :-(. Can anybody
there correct me (or explain where I'm wrong?).

Whatever it is, the date of Unification of Bulgaria with east Roumelia is
an important date for Bulgaria. The next stepts of the liberation of the
Bulgarian nation,(for which Prince Batenberg said that he will return one
day and fight) never happened, but this one has to be remembered.

Best regards
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re:Re: Sep.06, 1885
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 22:46:32 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi:

   I am posting not to fight or to argue.

Information and different points of view is the purpuse of the Net.

I am expressing my opinion and I am asking questions that are bothering me.

   One of this questions is: "How the people living in Gevgeli and the district

around can learn Macedonian, Greek, Serbian or Albanian as the entire

population of the region speaks only Bulgarian?"   It is not the dialect

from Scopie, but pure literature Bulgarian.   How it can be done?   I am

4 years abroad.   I meet only English speaking people and still I am doing

mistakes and I posess strong acsent.   I have met thousands of emigrants from

all around the world, some already 50 years in America and they still have

language problems.

   I am asking again: How the people of Gevgeli will learn new language

as the only language spoken around is Bulgarian?


PS

  For the old or young KGB from CA, naming himself Brian or somethig like

that, I will not post my name, because I do not have several ID's like

most of the KGB's has.   I wonder why he is interested in my name.  Does

the KGB pays still for information?   How much you are going to get pigy?

If you promiss to pay me 50%, I will post new name and new address every

day.  You will be rich pigy!  You struck gold mine red idiot.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: stoyani@pell2l20.alleg.edu (Ivailo Stoyanov)
Subject: Re: Bulgaria-France 2:0
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:28:46 GMT

Thank you very much for the result!!
Somebody, please, post some details.
Thank you.

Ivo
From: ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Nikolay Mehandjiev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Articles about Bulgaria in "The Guardian" (UK)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:59:21 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


The British newspaper "The Guardian" published 4 articles for Bulgaria in 
its issue from Saturday, 5 Sept 1992:

Page 10  "Zhivkov jailed for seven years"
Page 33  "An economy facing a lengthy sentence"
Page 33  "Privatisation is dodgy business"
Page 33  "Getting it right at the seaside"

plus some photographs.  Just two sentences from the second article, written
by Mark Milner (quoted without permission) :

"... The lev is the most stable on the Balkan peninsula. 
                                         Mr. Kostov"

"... The course of events yet may be rather like flow of traffic in Sofia,
     where signals are sometimes merely a basis for negotiation, and
     pedestrians and cars play what appears to be a compound of courtesy 
     and the game of chicken. It looks odd to strangers, but seems to work
     - provided no one loses their temper.
                                         (the author)"


And the anger of our tourist authorities over the "free advertisement" in 
the western media in the last article:

"... some journalists have even put Kozlodui - the country's nuclear power
     station - on the Black Sea, about 500 kilometers from its correct
     position"


Enjoy the articles! (if your library receives "The Guardian")

Nikolay
ndm@cs.hull.ac.uk   ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Ivan
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:44:03 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <marinova.716091875@csuvax1> marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova) writes:
[deleted]
>The West Australian of 5 September 1992 writes:
>
>Nearly 3 years after the end of dictatorial communist rule, Bulgaria is one of
>Europe's poorest countries

It has never been one of the reachest ... As for the poorest, all
clasifications put few other countries "ahead" of Bulgaria ... Not that
this makes Bulgaria's position "rosy" ... :-(

> and remains crippled in attempts to build a market
>economy from the ruins of central planning (end of quotation).

The same things are written/heard for East Germany, behind which one of
the world's most powerful economic countries has placed it's resources and
expertiese ...

>Is it so?

What do you expect? We don't have oil and other natural resources, but even
if he had (Romania is not in a better position) how do you imagine this
transfer to happen - overnight? Without educated (for that) people? With
rule of the country in shambles? With no strategy for getting out of the
mess (BTW, no country or expert has presented such strategy so far)?
One can just watch how many matters in the countries we regards as
"examples" are in a mess, and then think how difficult to be solved our
problems are ...

>Regards
>Dora

Likewise

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen)
Subject: Bulgarian character and market economy (was Re: Ivan)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:09:00 GMT

In article <marinova.716091875@csuvax1>, marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova) writes...
> 
>The West Australian of 5 September 1992 writes:
> 
>Nearly 3 years after the end of dictatorial communist rule, Bulgaria is one of
>Europe's poorest countries and remains crippled in attempts to build a market
>economy from the ruins of central planning (end of quotation).

The same words were used in a local newspaper here, Arizona Republic, in
its article on sentencing of Todor Jivkov. I guess, they both were using
the same text distributed by some information agency.

>Is it so?

I guess there are aspects in which Bulgaria is among the poorest countries
in Europe (e.g., average personal income). However, I think that thanks
to the strong Bulgarian common sense and attitude of everybody to solve
his own problems (vseki se spasqva poedinichno) business has already
started to move in the right direction.

I recently spoke to an immigrant from Plovdiv, who left Bulgaria in late
1940s and visited it in July. He was amazed how concerned was everybody he
met with money making. I am not sure whether the government and parliament
are able to do much to introduce the market economy, at least they
should not create obstacles for the incentive of the individuals.

The major problem at this point is that consciousness of many (which was
developed during the years of socialism) makes them envy about somebody else
making money. Even in a recent issue of Demokratsia daily which is supposed
to encourage introduction of market relations and capitalism, I saw a
publication blaming a sugar trader Mr. Petev for having too much money
(Where does he have so much money from ?!). 

It seems that in many cases Bulgarians even don't feel sorry about people whose
possessions were stolen, after listening to police report on the radio (This
guy had too much valuables, it was just one thief robbered by another !). 

The bottom line is: Bulgaria can become much richer and the market economy take
its place in it if more Bulgarians think how to make money rather than why my
neighbour has more money than me. Is this possible with our upbringing ? I
don't know. 

Plamen Bliznakov
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova)
Subject: Re: Ivan
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:24:35 GMT

In his article Ivan writes:

>And also the 7th of September. Comrade Jivkov turned 80.
>If it wasn't for the 10th (of November) he would have gotten
>his 7th "Hero of the People's Republic". In stead he got 7 years.
>What a coincidence.
Just a minor point; Jivkov turned 81.

The West Australian of 5 September 1992 writes:

Nearly 3 years after the end of dictatorial communist rule, Bulgaria is one of
Europe's poorest countries and remains crippled in attempts to build a market
economy from the ruins of central planning (end of quotation).

Is it so?
 
Regards
Dora
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Bulgaria-France 2:0 (in Sofia)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:14:07 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


This is for the WC qualifiers. Don't know more details but heard that one
of goals was scored by Stoichkov. Bulgaria leads (so far) the group with 4
points, ahead of Sweden, Israel (hasn't played so far), Austria (also
hasn't played so far), France and Finland.

Regards
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:23:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
From: mihov@cayley.mit.edu (Diko Mihov)
Subject: BULGARIA-FRANCE 2-0
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: soc.culture.bulgaria
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:50:27 GMT

I am reposting this from rec.sport.soccer for all who may be interested.

Diko
						


Article 18787 of rec.sport.soccer:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:13:14 -0400 
From: Jerry A Okoko <jo25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Call of The Qur'an

Irfan,
        Although I am a rare poster to this network (but frequent
reader), I feel compelled to respond to your unabashed lashing out at
western society while trumpeting the good of Islam. It is unfortunate
that your mind is so poluted by hatred for the west--perhaps this is
what muslims are taught? Then again, some of my best friends are muslim
and they are not like you. Therfore it seems that you have a very deep
and traumatic problem. You need professional help. Since the arguments
you raised are so silly and hypocritical I will not venture too deep in
my response, but answer me this-- when were women allowed to vote, drive
cars, and seek professional education in colleges and universities? Is
not true that your culture is based on the suppression of free
expression? Why is it that a robber would have his hand chopped off or
face death by stoning (depending on the degree of the crime)? Is this
not a culture of fear? Sure there would be order, but why through such
oppressive and hideous means? Do not muslims view women as objects
rather than beings and that is why their primary duties are to clean the
house and bear children(allah forbid should they not bear a son). Is it
not true that your culture is a culture of racism as well and that is
why you suppress the black man in the middle eastern countries? Islam is
a great religion that seeks to bring out the best in its followers--as
does christianity,judaism, and any other religion. Before you go and
criticize others, please be sure you know what you are talking about. A
famous poet once wrote "blind patriotism in a democracy is the
equivalent to treason". You seem like an educated person so figure it
out.

Jerry Okoko
The John Heinz  III
School of Public Management and Policy
Carnegie-Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: ttonchev@athena.mit.edu (Theodore G Tonchev)
Subject: Re: Another source of daily news
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:02:46 GMT

	I am afraid I have to correct another mistake of mine - articles from
ClariNet _cannot_ be posted to other forums as this will violate the law. 
Thank you very much to the people who warned me about that.

	However, I would like to mention that the Bulgarian and Moldovian 
presidents have signed a document for friendship and cooperation that officially 
recognizes the existence of a Bulgarian minority in Moldova and guarantees the
rights of the ethnic Bulgarians there. I've learned that from a telephone
conversation.


	   Theodore Tonchev		|	450 Memorial Drive C213
	ttonchev@athena.mit.edu		|	  Cambridge  MA 02139
					|	  tel: (617) 225-9385


	P.S. Please, let's end this 'subject' if possible. Thanx!
From: IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: SOCCER: table after round 5
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:24:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In <1992SEP7.215905.14047@ALIJKU05.EDVZ.UNI-LINZ.AC.AT>
Karel Stokkermans writes:

>Round 5
>Loko S                    4-1 Haskovo
>Spartak                   0-0 CSKA
>Beroe                     1-2 Loko P
>Pirin                     2-2 Loko GO
>Etar                      2-0 Dobrudzha
>Sliven                    3-1 Yantra
>Botev                     3-1 Chernomorets
>Levski                    4-3 Slavia
>
>--
>-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
> -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
>"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,
> die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder

After 5 rounds, the table looks like this:

    Team            W T L  Goals  Pts

 1. Levski          4 1 0  16- 8  9
 2. CSKA            3 2 0   9- 2  8
 3. Loko Plovdiv    3 1 1  13- 4  7
 4. Botev Plovdiv   3 1 1  10- 5  7
 5. Loko Sofia      2 3 0  10- 6  7
 6. Etar            3 1 1   5- 3  7
 7. Slavia          3 0 2   6- 6  6
 8. Chernomorets    2 1 2   5- 5  5
 9. Dobrudja        2 1 2   6- 7  5
10. Spartak Varna   2 1 2   8-11  5
11. Pirin           1 2 2   5- 5  4
12. Loko G.O.       1 2 2   7-10  4
13. Beroe           0 2 3   3- 7  2
14. Sliven          1 0 4   4-10  2
15. Yantra          0 2 3   3- 9  2
16. Haskovo         0 0 5   4-16  0

--
Dragomir R. Radev
Department of Computer Science
University of Maine
From: dim2@quads.uchicago.edu (Alexander Dimitrov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Another source of daily news
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:52:26 GMT
Reply-To: dim2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep6.015052.23359@athena.mit.edu> ttonchev@athena.mit.edu (Theodore G Tonchev) writes:
>
>	I am sorry if the following text contains something trivial-
>I am just a new reader of this conference.
>about Bulgaria. However, there is another one - the conference 
><clari.news.gov.international> offers official dayly news from the whole world
>incl. Bulgaria. For example one of the two most recent informations is 
>the following:
[stuff deleted]

That is very kind of you. Unfortunately not all of us have access to this
newsgroup, which is possibly commercial. Is it possible that you post extracts
from there in this group from time to time? It would be most interesting!

Regards,
Alex

-- 
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Alexander Dimitrov		a-dimitrov@uchicago.edu  (Internet)
tel.(312) 667-1611	   or   a-dimitrov@uchicago      (Bitnet)
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From: bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Mili "dobrojelateli"
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:11:00 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <92255.002348ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...
> 
>    Today every baby in Bulgaria has $50,000 foreign debt to pay back from the
> 
>greed of such a nice helpers. 

Why do you expect babies and only babies to pay the foreign debt of Bulgaria ? 
As far as I know the Bulgarian foreign debt currently should be in $ 11-12
billion range. Devided by approximately 8 million population makes roughly
$ 1,500 per capita.

>
>                              Today Bulgaria needs expertise in the economy
> 
>and technology to enter the world of free enterprise not musicians and CD
> 
>speculants.
>

Bulgaria needs to (re-)gain its position not just in the world economy, but
in international politics and culture as well. Bulgaria needs each and every
true supporter. Besides, why do you expect all experts in business and
technology to be "good guys" and all musicians to be "bad guys" ? (I am an
engineer myself, not a musucian.)

> 
>    Why all my posting concerning economy are erased right away from the Net?
> 
>The administrators of the Net didn't know anything about that.  So someone
> 
>is privatly censoring the postings.  Why?  Because there are people that
> 
>still suck blood from Bulgaria.
> 

I think you are getting a little bit paranoic. Of course, Bulgaria and 
Eastern Europe in general are a very good place at that moment to make huge
profits outside the strict law framework of the West ("da se lovi riba v
mytni vodi").  Just before I left Bulgaria in the first days of August the
American government asked officially the Bulgarian authorities to help in the
search for Mike Rich (this was his name I think) who was involved in many
dirty affairs and lastly made money on oil exports to Bulgaria. But I don't 
think your "postings concerning economy" will make any difference and
somebody has to take special care of them.

Plamen Bliznakov
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From: winfptr@is.twi.tudelft.nl (Peter Brijs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: uitslagen PTT telecompetitie
Keywords: puntverlies Feyenoord, PSV rolt Den Bosch op
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:43:56 GMT

Uitslagen PTT Telecompetitie 11-13 september
--------------------------------------------

Fortuna Sittard     0   FC Twente            2
SVV/Dordrecht '90   0   Willem II            2
PSV                 7   FC Den Bosch         0
Go Ahead Eagles     1   Feyenoord            1
FC Utrecht          1   FC Groningen         0
RKC                 0   Vitesse              0
Sparta              0   MVV                  0

Feyenoord leed in een slechte maar spannende wedstrijd
puntverlies bij de Go Ahead Eagles. Pas in de 94e (!) minuut
scoorde Feyenoorder Kiprich de gelijkmaker. PSV rolde
FC Den Bosch op en komt daarmee op kop. Ook Twente en Utrecht
blijven winnen.

De stand op kop is nu:

PSV                 4  4  0  0  8  14 - 1
Feyenoord           5  3  2  0  8  13 - 2 
FC Utrecht          5  3  2  0  8   7 - 2 
FC Twente           5  4  0  1  8   9 - 5 
Ajax                4  2  1  1  5   7 - 3 



MvG, Peter

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Peter Brijs
winfptr@is.twi.tudelft.nl

Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands