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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:51:13 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <1992Sep30.133017.164697@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) writes:
>BUT BE WARNED, DO NOT BECOME INVOLVED IN
>THESE THINGS.  THEY ARE EVIL, AND WILL NOT HELP YOU IN ANY POSITIVE WAY!

This does not follow.  Demons are not omniscient.  They do not know or
understand everything.  So it should be possible, at least in theory, to trick
a demon, and gain a real, positive, benefit.

Even if demons are smarter than people, it doesn't follow that because
someone is smarter than you, that you can therefore never trick them.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:40:44 GMT

bruce@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:

>Summary: Fundamentalist Christianity helps spread satanism

>>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 19:30:16 GMT, jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) said:

>> Some more research would provide a better description than the above.
>> Briefly, they exist in the spiritual realms, which can be reached by
>> certain types of meditation (esp. yoga - yes yoga!), seances, ouija,
>> and other OCCULT practices.  BUT BE WARNED, DO NOT BECOME INVOLVED IN
>> THESE THINGS.  THEY ARE EVIL, AND WILL NOT HELP YOU IN ANY POSITIVE WAY!

>Rrright.  So the only way of verifying the spiritual realm is by using
>things that we shouldn't use.

These things exist and have an evil basis.  Using them brings you closer to
Satan, not to God.

Praying to God throught the fellowship of the Holy Spirit is what we
need to bring us close to God.  This is NOT evil, and I would recommend it
to anyone.

>(Do many Christians really believe that
>yoga is evil?  I thought not.)
                          ~~~
I think you might be supprised!


>Q: What's the best way of encouraging teenagers to take up occult
>   practices?
>A: Tell them:
>     a) They work
> and b) They're evil, and I forbid you from even considering them

>> Yours in Christ,
>> James.

>--
>Bruce

I stated these other things because many, many people are already involved
in them, not always realising what they are *really* getting involved with.
Yoga and meditation are very common examples, and if you wish, I could
provide some more information as to what actually happens when you involve
yourself with them, and why they are inherently evil.

Yours in Christ,
James.
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: FAQ FILE REMINDER!  NEW READERS READ THIS BEFORE POSTING!
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:43:20 GMT
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: bug in FAQ file
Date: 23 Sep 92 10:46:59 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

morgan@sitka.triumf.ca (Morgan Burke) writes:
> Both functions accept input that will be in either of two states;  each
> executes an algorithm that transforms the input to one of the states.
> In both cases, the algorithm is unneccessary (ie. redundant) if the input
> state already matches the output state.  Rather than first testing the
> input to determine which state it is in and whether the transformation
> should be applied, the program ASSUMES one input state and applies the
> transformation regardless.

But the odd/even example was bogus anyway.  You do admit that, I hope, or
shall I explain again?


mathew
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Re: Why is green so popular?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:12:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.222423.15583@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal) writes:
>So, for the last 10 years I`ve been wondering why many buildings have
>been built with green-tinted glass and faux-tarnished-copper siding?
>It seems shopping malls are particularly prone to this blight.   This
>at least is my observation in Canada.   Is this the same in other
>countries?
	While things are probably different in other parts of the US,
I haven't noticed too much green here (New England) There is some, of
course, but it's not overwhelming.
>
>Do architects really think this looks good?   Is it derived from
>pressures from developers that feel they want an "old time" theme to
>appeal to a perceived conservative, backward-looking mood in N.
>America?   Does this green glass provide any energy-saving advantage?
>
>ok, so it`s not exactly destroying our cities, but they could be so
>much more interesting....(and I probably have better things to do
>than whine about things that I can't change.  But, you know, fine
>architecture can make a big difference to one`s life.  To be able
>to walk down the street, surrounded by finely executed works of art
>is a tremendously uplifting experience (one that rarely happens to me)
>It's nice to be reminded of some of humankind's great achievements
>every once in awhile, in these times when the whole point of living
>is often obscured.  It`s too bad so much public space goes to waste.).
>
	i agree absolutely, we are surrounded by far too much architecture
which adds nothing to living. Just as art should be a part of everyone's
life regardless of job or social/economic status, so should good architecture.

>
>Gord (do you think I`m nuts?).
	Nope!
>--
>                                   * * *
>Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
>Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
>University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:41:41
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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In-reply-to: kdlayon@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu's message of Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:01:58 GMT

I was going to e-mail you an answer, but it occurred to me that I
didn't have enough information to write one.  German/Northern European
design covers everything from Gothic cathedrals to Bauhaus and later,
after all!  :-) Please, would you be a bit more specific?

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com

Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: acampane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Angelo Campanella)
Subject: Re: Why is green so popular?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:58:32 GMT

Years ago, we bought a car with a green interior.  Now I never would have
bought it except it was the only one available with other amenities we wanted.

Well, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that I felt more relaxed when
driving that car than with any other I owned.. Green has a calming influence.

Shopping malls are obtrusive, and quite often we want to do our shopping and
get out.  Perhaps the color choice is a ploy of the mall-makers to keep persons
there for longer time periods.
               -----------------------------
Re Americam architecture:

I really hate to see so much amateur plagerism.  For example, while walking the
halls of the student union bilding at Purdue, I chuckled at the TERRIBLE
imitation of curved and arched ceiling.  Having recently returned from Europe
where a lot of old buildings have such vaulted ceiling for real purpose, this
display of structural ignorance at Purdue apalled me.  It seems that in the
old European buildings, wood or steel joists for upper floor support were
unknown or unavailable; out of the state-of-the art of that time.

Yet upper floors were common, and they were achieved by construcing a vault (a
three-dimensional arch) between columns.  I was not concious of this until my
Italian cousin called my attention to some old ceilings that were constructed
"sensi travi" (without joists!).

The scale of the contour of the Purdue ceiling were miniscule compared to the
span, and it all seemed hoakie to me; I knew darn well there was a steel joist
in there.
             -----------------------------------

New  Euorpean architecture is striking, functional and interesting.
As mentioned by others here, there is a serious trend over there to not only
do it in a new way, but also a better way and for greater efficiency and
productivity.  Consider Perugia in Italy, a city built on hills and with some
catacombs - a little Rome as it were.  The Etruscans thrived there at one
point. Those galleys and tunnels present and represent much History.
The galleries are now a museum of Etruscan and other artifacts.  Imagine! the
Italians recently installed electric escallators between various levels.
Now there's imagination at work!

              ------------------------------------------

A very elementary example of some nice Americal architecture; the airline
terminals in St Louis.  Great arches that entirely support the roof of the
terminal building.  A take-off of the downtown metal arch, admittedly, but a
nice one...
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: FLW furniture
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:00:42 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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Oh, dear!  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Wright himself said (somewhere in the Princeton lectures) he ached
from his furniture, and commented that comfort was part of the design
requirements.  Having sat on some of his later chairs (at a tour of
Taliesin West) he did eventually get it, ah, right, at least if you like
sitting straight.

__R
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: walt@eng.clemson.edu (Walter B. Ligon III)
Subject: Re: Craftsman Interiors
Reply-To: walt@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:15:44 GMT


Am I correct in assumming you have Stickley's two books and the reprints from
the Craftsman magazine?

Tauton Press has recently released a modern book about modern Craftsman homes.
I've only thumbed through it - I can't say what is actually in it.

Have you been to the annual Arts & Crafts Conference in Asheville?  I've
met a guy there (his name escapes me - but I can find it) whose hobby is
"collecting" Gus houses.  He gave a wonderful lecture on finding Gus houses
last year.  He could probably be of some help.  Finally, there is a guy at
Georgia Tech in the School of Architecture who speciallizes in A&C.  I sat
in on his class and I know he could tell you alot.  Again his name escapes
me but if there is interest I can get it for you.

What kind of info on Craftsman interiors are you looking for anyway?

Walt
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff)
Subject: Re: Craftsman Interiors
Followup-To: alt.architecture
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:55:26 GMT

In article <bobk.717700876@slinky.NSD.3Com.COM>, bobk@ESD.3Com.COM (Bob
Konigsberg) wrote:
> 
> Oops, My first post was a reply instead.  Sorry Dan.
> 
> Although I've been a subscriber to Old House Journal for some years,
> I haven't seen much on the subject of Craftsman Interior woodworking.
> 
> Can anyone point me to articles on interior woodwork, pictures, designs,
> etc.

The bookstore at the Gamble House here in Pasadena has a pretty good
selection of Craftsman oriented books and magazines. One that I have not
seen elsewhere is 'California Bungelow' magazine.

Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie)
Subject: Re: Alternative construction methods.
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:08:10 GMT

In article <BvH4rD.6H3@rice.edu> stiv@stat.rice.edu (david n stivers) writes:
(real body of letter has been cut)
>So does anyone else get the cold chills when they see today's modern
>pathetically pretentious "Colonial" heap? You know, the ones with a bazillion 
>square feet, aluminum frame windows (with taped on "window panes"), shiny brass
>fixtures that look like they'll last about a year (if you can stand to look at
>them), and all the sense of aesthetic of a fresh cow turd?  Matches that gold 
>trim Lexus nicely, though.   Brrrr.

oh, yes.  in houston the popular style is called french provincial, which
is the same but with 2story living rooms, really tall windows (and lots of
em so you get to a/c the outdoors all summer) and a big entrance hall with
a "tara" like stairway--so much uselessless and shoddy craftsmanship 
i could spit.

my parents live in one of these.  they looked for a nice home, and
could not find one, and we didn't have time to build...

man, don't even talk to me about spec
homes--my dad went to get new parts for the faucet last month and the
guy at the store said "we only see this kind of faucet in mobile homes.."
stupid builders.

sorry...i got a little carried away...:)
heather

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Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG)
Subject: Architecture in Mexico
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:55:54 GMT

I have a friend who lives in Central Mexico. He is building the most
incredible adobe walled, brick roofed (that's right BRICK roof), home.
Labor is very cheap in Mexico and everything in this part of Mexico 
is made out of brick. The brick roof is a series of arches supported
by cast in place arched cement beams. The walls are adobe. The house
is basically two cirles pushed together. The effect is very organic.
The home is 2 story and the floor between the stories is brick arched,
then filled with vermiculite (light stone), and a flat brick floor.
This thing is right out of The expatriat Mexican Mother Earth News!!!
For those of you who are tired of modern building techniques, check out
3rd world countries--they do it the old way. Everything built by hand.
From: ahlberg@cs.chalmers.se (Christopher Ahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Masters programs in architecture
Date: 27 Sep 92 10:22:34 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS, Chalmers, Sweden

I'm very interested in finding out about masters programs in architecture
all over the world. So if you have email adressess to administrators who
could send me info,brouchures, etc, or could send some your self, I would
be most happy!

	/Christopher

Christopher Ahlberg			ahlberg@cs.chalmers.se
Dept. of Computer Science
Chalmers University of Tech.
S-412 96 Goteborg
Sweden
From: martha@athena.mit.edu (Andrew T Cameron)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: sleepless nights.
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:47:38 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Why do we get so much less sleep than everyone else? I taken to the point of view
that it is because we can never get the "correct answer." Most of my friends here
spend long hours doing problem sets for their science and engineering classes.
They stay up late, too, but at some point they get a correct answer - or not - to
the problems, they are done, and they can go to sleep. With architecture,
however, you never reach this end point. You sit there after drawing a bunch of
lines or gluing a bunch of cardboard together, stand back and look at what you
have and say "It would probably look better if I did this" or "What if this were
this way instead?" (professors crits never help this situation), and you proceed
to start at it again, in search of the "perfect solution." This might not make it
any easier to stay up for days, but it's one way of explaining it to the snoring
roommates whom you haven't seen for a week. 
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie)
Subject: theoretical stuff
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:18:22 GMT

okay, i expect this'll probably open up a can of worms, so please don't
flame me...

so i walk into class today and find out our next project (which is
essentially our last for the semester)  is to build a corner.
a conceptualised corner that has to deal with any one of a list
of binaries the t.a. gave us (like subject/object, inside/outside etc.)
it will eventually be built at 4 by 4 by 6 feet.
i have a question--what does this have to do with anything?  we'll
be working on it for 2 or so months and i am having a hard time grasping
the point.  this is a serious question--how much of this concept business
am i going to use in my career?  i have no idea and would like to know.

i am going to give this project some time as i don't grasp it yet...
maybe when i work through it and get to the end i will understand what
i've learned (or was supposed to have learned :))

thanks for any replies.
heather
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Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: stiv@stat.rice.edu (david n stivers)
Subject: FLW chairs
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:29:08 GMT

Then there's the anecdote regarding the 3 legged wheeled secretary's chairs
that he designed for the Johnson Wax building.

As you might imagine, combining 3 legs with wheels makes for a rather unstable
chair, especially in combination with the linoleum floors then in vogue. It
makes a chair that you have to sit down on just right in order to avoid
becoming intimate with the floor.

So, some Johnson Wax mucky-muck is said to have invited FLW in to discuss
some problems, and he had one of these chairs placed opposite his desk, so
that FLW would attempt to sit in it and fall down, which he did. Recovering,
FLW righted the chair, sat in it (more carefully), and asked the manager
what was wrong...
-- 

david n stivers stiv@rice.edu
From: jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren )
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Geodesic dome height
Date: 1 Oct 1992 11:49:54 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: briones.ced.berkeley.edu

choy@skorpio.usask.ca writes:

"I take it domes don't have a lot of vertical outside wall. Can you
build domes on top of domes? Land is expensive so you want lots of
height for a small footprint or basement. I suppose you can pack
domes like golf balls in a box or basketball."



Elliptical domes can be built. They would be shaped somewhat like an egg
standing on end. (the end of an egg?) Still, I think that a rectangular
boxlike structure is the most efficient use of a plot of land. A dome does
provide the theoretically most efficient covering of space, but what do
you do with the curved leftovers?
From: jwd@sunol.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren )
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: sleepless nights.
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:26:23 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunol.ced.berkeley.edu

 jjgwynn@athena.mit.edu (Joel J Gwynn) writes: " Instead,
the design process and its effects are relegated to this mystical/artistic
world where anything goes, and good and bad, right and wrong are no longer thing
s
we can assert, question, and argue.  Instead it is in bad taste to raise
concrete, "objective" questions about the real physical and social effects of
someone else's personal taste."

Joel, have you been to an architectural critique? If not, you should go.
I think you would be apalled at the number of people with the bad taste to
"assert, question and argue" about the work that is presented. 

You also seem to claim that "this tyranny of
taste and lack of accountability on all sides is a major reason that our cities
are "concrete jungles", and our buildings range from the sterile and the stark
to the sick and unhealthy."
Do you mean that it is purely the personal taste of the "architects" for
"sick,sterile, stark, and unhealthy" buildings that is at the root of
concrete jungles? Get a grip! This "tyranny of taste" is laughable. (granted
that many architects WISH they had the power to be tyrannical)

One more statement to disect:
   "This is a strange way to organize a field of practice"

Joel, architecture school is SCHOOL, Do you think that once you
go to work they will still let you go out and play at recess?

It's one thing to be cynical, it is another to be correct.

Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Wild Horses?
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:59:48 GMT

I`d like to know which city has the sculpture with the wild horses
running through a pool in a courtyard.   I find it very effective,
with small fountains placed around the horses feet to evoke the
spray.   My neighborhood PBS station shows a bit on this as filler,
but I have yet to catch the city.  (I`d hope this is a famous work,
so please don`t grown too much over my ignorance :)


Gord.
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                                   * * *
Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
Newsgroups: alt.architecture