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From: fcaic@wbst845e.xerox.com (Frank Caico)
Subject: linux and serial lines
Organization: Xerox, Webster, NY
Distribution: comp.os.linux
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:37:35 GMT


I have been using linux for a few weeks now and am very impressed.  My X
environment is set up very similar to my environment at work (of course
within the limitations of my crippled little 386/25) and I want to go the
step further.  

I have a 9600 baud modem at home connected to my PC, and I have dialout
capabilities at work. There is also a SLIP line at work that I could use.
Anyhow, I want to be able to dial-in from home and feel like I am on the
network at work so I can do things like copy files back and forth and run
processes on my work machine with the display coming back over the serial
modem line.  I would also like to be able to dial out from work to my
machine at home in cases where I forgot to bring a file in, or I want to
transfer some files in that direction.

I am using SLS linux .98pl2.  I don't have TCP/IP compiled in (I
didn't rebuild the kernel with it at least) yet and I suppose I have to do
this (maybe).  but I am only guessing what I need to do.  

I know people on the net have done this, but I have little network
experience and am not sure what steps I need to take. If anyone who has
done this could give me a hand - I would really appreciate it! :^) 


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: runefr@ifi.uio.no (Rune Fr|ysa)
Subject: etc/utmp file not updated.
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:56:29 GMT
Originator: runefr@maud.ifi.uio.no


Hi, I have a minor problem, using the SLS 0.98pl1 package with Linux 0.98pl5.

Running w on my system i get something like:
User   tty    idle
root    some data
sync   ttyp1  2days

Now, sync wasn't supposed to be there. ps -axu doesn't show anyone but root.
Looking into the wtmp file, I see that sync was logged in at some time, and
then crash.

Seems like someone hasn't cleaned up the utmp file propperly. Anyone who knows
how to solve this problem?

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Dept. of Informatics         | chaotic diversity of our sense experience
University of Oslo, Norway   | correspond to a logically uniform system 
E-mail:runefr@ifi.uio.no     | of thought" - Albert Einstein.



Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ins217t@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: ImageMagick xmkmf'ing and gen. Imakefiles
Keywords: ImageMagick, X, linux
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:30:09 GMT

eoi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Chenmin Zhang) writes:


>    % mv Makefile Makefile.bak
>    % imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X386/lib/X11/config
>    % In file included from /usr/X386/lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl:892, from :3:
>    % /tmp/IIf.a00169:11: invalid preprocessor direction name
>    % /tmp/IIf.a00169:15: invalid preprocessor direction name
>    % imake: exit code 33. stop.

I don't know about this one, but there is a bug in imake somewhere
(prob. the template files) where some of the Makefile uses spaces as
separators instead of tabs, and Make won't run until you change 'em

eg
clean:
<spaces>rm *.o...
^^^^^^^should be a tab !


Anyone got a template fix ?
I'm sick of having to change them !

Cos !
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			ins217t@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
			cos@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William S. Burroughs
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: New questions
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:12:36 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

mdracks@enigma1.COM (Dr. M.Q. Dracks) writes:
>I know these might be typical  new-user questions, but I've started reading 
>this newsgroup & missed  the FAQ. 

FYI, almost all FAQs are available also in the newsgroup news.answers,
and on ftp sites that archive it.  There are even ftp sites that have
mailservers so that you can get FAQs even without ftp.  For example,
send a mail message with the word "help" in it to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu to get started with that one.

>1- Where/how can one obtain the whole system if one doesn't have FTP?

There are some answers sketched out in a hard-to-find (it's only
posted every Monday, after all) article with the subject line

	Subject: META-FAQ: Linux sources of information

but I guess those answers are so bad that nobody is interested in
them.

>2- Is it a full Unix OS [C compiler, libraries, multi-user/tasking, etc]?

Yup.  In the article with the subject line

	Subject: Linux INFO-SHEET

there is a shortish list of features.  (Short answer: it's pretty damn
close to Unix, with all important features available, although a
couple of them don't work that well, e.g. networking, but will
probably work pretty soon, given the pace of Linux development.)

>3- What kind of drivers for special hardware [e.g. multi-port serial board]
>does it have?

There is an inadequate list in the INFO-SHEET (I'd very much like to
get some feedback on it, especially additions and corrections).
Multi-port serial boards are supported, at least some of them.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: (append) Does someone port ImageMagick to Linux yet?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:48:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ins217t@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !) says:

>Yes !
>I've got it running with the jumptable TIFF & JPEG libraries and all !
>(so you need Rob Hooft's libgr01 from sunsite's
>pub/Linux/Incoming/jumptables dir.)

i didn't need libgr01.
All i had to do was change the #'s in the Imakefile to XCOMM and
it compiled quite cleanly, 'cept for the xtp directory which
deals with networking.

email me if you have problems.

Later

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From: andre@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andre Santos)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Reboot no worky on Gateway Nomad notebook
Keywords: notebook reboot hard_reset_now
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:18:49 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

I do not know if this helps, but I have a Gateway 2000 486-DX,
I think the BIOS is from Phoenix, but Ctrl-alt-del did not work.
I do not know the technical reason, but if I disabled the BIOS
shadowing in the CMOS setup it started working perfectly. 
(BIOS shadowing copies the contents of the ROM BIOS to RAM for faster
access).
I did that. As Linux does not use the BIOS it does not make any difference.
In fact this gave me more than 100kb more of extended memory 
(as reported by the startup memory check and by Linux itself).
Again, there is a technical reason for that, but I do not remember...

for DOS, things (should) go slower, but it will depend on the 
applications. As I use Linux (almost) all the time...

Andre.


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From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SLS
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfu.1992Nov23.050826.12642
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Nov23.042313.7077@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
>In article <By5CG0.9zK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>>		Is there a more comphrehensive guide to setting up tcpip
>>		than the README's in the /etc/inet directory?
>
>Er, someone a little while ago said that they were working on this. You 
>might want to ask on the mailing list. Whoever is working on this, will you
>PLEASE get in touch with me, so I can incorporate some of your info into the
>Linux Setup Manual? Thanks. :)
>
>mdw
>-- 
>Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
>  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."

Did everyone miss the ether-NET FAQ!?  It is archived on sunsite in 
/pub/Linux/system/Network.  It should answer your questions, but needs
some work also.  BTW:  I have nothing to do with the FAQ - I just know
it exists :-)

- Ken
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: malloc (0) ( Re: function-->macro bugs.)
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:45:29 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

hlu@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:
>1. malloc (0) returns NULL is ok under POSIX.

Under ANSI/ISO C too.  OTOH, malloc(0) != NULL are ok by everybody as
well. 

>If you can come up with a better idea to deal with
>
>	p = malloc (len); /* len may be 0. */
>	if (!p) fatal ("Out of memory");
>
>I'd like to hear from you.

There are programs which assume that malloc(0)==NULL, and programs
which assume malloc(0)!=NULL.  We can't support both types at the same
time without some kinds of hacks, something will surely break.

I have no problems with the current scheme (except for some naming
choices, I'd prefer __MALLOC_0_IS_NON_NULL instead of NO_FIX_MALLOC).
Fixing programs that try to substitute their own malloc shouldn't be
that hard.  We'll never achieve total compatibility with all current
source code anyway.

--
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   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hahn@grizzly.nrl.navy.mil (Adam Hahn )
Subject: X with Orchid ProDesigner II? 
Keywords: X Problem Orchid Prodesigner Interlace
Organization: U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, Washington D.C.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:58:08 GMT

Hey-
  I'm having trouble getting the timings right for my video configuration for X386...
Has anyone gotten X to work with an Orchid ProDesigner II and an interlaced monitor?
This is an ET4000 based board, but the interlaced monitor screws up the timing...
Any resources would be much appreciated (^&@^%!@#$ Orchid manual _sux_!)
thanks
Adam Hahn
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From: K111114@ALIJKU11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ANNOUNCE: IrcII(2.2pre7) for Linux
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:48:58 GMT
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center

nic.funet.fi , /pub/OS/incoming should contain the file ircII.tar.Z
I dunno how this is handled, probably the author of this client should include
a client that support a -DLINUX flag. (Which I doubt, concerning the confusing
file arrangment in /usr/include .. *snicker*)

When U compile the client, you'll get A LOT of warnings ... ignore them.
Also, it would be nice if more experienced Linuxers than I would look at the
code ... there was something wrong with those TCIOGW ??? which suddenly dis-
appeared after including/omitting the right header files.

The binary itself is 200KB large, which is rather small, compared to the same
client on the SunSparc (600KB). I guess I will switch off the -g compiler flag
on the Sparc, too :-)

Herp.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mrhoten@cs.stanford.edu (Matthew Rhoten)
Subject: Reboot no worky on Gateway Nomad notebook
Summary: No go under 97.3-97.5, 98.5
Originator: mrhoten@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: notebook reboot hard_reset_now
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:26:43 GMT

I have a Gateway 2000 Nomad 325SXL. This is a fairly cool little
notebook, by the way. Linux .97.3 through .97.5 and .98.5 run great on
it. Hacking on the kernel to switch caps lock and ctrl and removing
bell was easy. Fun stuff. There is one slight thing which I find a bit
annoying. I have never gotten linux to reboot the machine.

/etc/reboot and ctrl-alt-del both hung the machine. I had C_A_D on in
the appropriate kernel Makefile. I added a few printk()s in
keyboard.c, and found out that hard_reset_now() was in fact getting
called in either case, which made me think that it didn't work. (That
also explains the hang, looking at the code for hard_reset_now()). This
was under .97.5. So I downloaded .98.5 sources, looked at the new
keyboard.c, and yes, hard_reset_now() had changed. So I compile .98.5,
and boot it up, no problem. tcsh and setterm and a bunch of other
binaries I have don't like it, but that's all right. reboot still
doesn't work, though.

So, my question is, is my hardware sufficiently non-standard that I
can never expect this to work? The computer uses an AMD chipset; I
don't know how relevant that is. If someone has patches to the reset
code that work on this machine, great, please let me know. I'm willing
to phone up Gateway and hassle them for tech info and specs if
someone's willing to fix this but needs that sort of thing.

Thanks,
 -matt
-- 
Matthew Rhoten | mrhoten@cs.stanford.edu | m_rhoten@leland.stanford.edu
"When Adam and Eve first saw each other, that's when the blues started."
 -John Lee Hooker
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: running out of memory...
Organization: 3-B Technology
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 04:12:13 GMT

I was curious as to what'd happen if i tried to compile the system
as is on my Tandy 4800HD (486sx-20, 4 mb ram) laptop.

Apparently, the compiles go to a certain point, then I receive a
message from gcc and/or the system, telling me i'm out of memory.

1) is there a program that monitors/reports the amout of actual free
memory while linux is running?

2) how much memory is "required" to make a new kernal?  I'm interested
in applying patches 2-4 on the SLS 0.98.p1 system that I have.

-bob

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dennisf@miles.com (Dennis Flaherty)
Subject: Re: a shell idea
Organization: Miles, Inc.  Diagnostics Divis.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:00:37 GMT

In article <1e8m7pINN51i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
> i was thinking that one could create a "super" shell which understood
> the syntax of all the major shells: csh, tcsh, ksh, sh, bash, ash, etc.
> of course, size would be affected, but imagine the power, not to 
> mention the end of all the bickering.

That would make it the Mother of All SHells ("mash")!  :-)
sorry.

You're looking for zsh.  If you thought the trend was away from
command-line interfaces, toward GUI's, think again!
Zsh has everything and more.  It's in H.J.'s GCC directory on tsx-11.

-- 
Dennis T. Flaherty       dennisf@Miles.com
Miles, Inc.              dflahert@chekov.helios.nd.edu
Diagnostics Division (Diabetes B.U.)
My doctor says Mylanta, but my boss says Alka-Seltzer!
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sthomas@worldbank.org (Sidney F. Thomas)
Subject: Does linux ethernet require coax, or will twisted pair work?
Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:42:41 GMT

I am just about ready to take the plunge and get a WD-compatible
ethernet card.  The ethernet in the office requires twisted-pair
with RJ-45 connectors.  Would this work with the linux device
drivers?  Or is coax assumed?

--Sidney Thomas (sthomas@nimbus@worldbank.org)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mmannan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Mohammed Mannan)
Subject: OS/2 & Linux, installation jitters
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:35:33 GMT

I will be installing Linux on a 120MB hard disk with OS/2                       
inhabiting a bootable 80MB partition. Linux will take up a                      
40MB partition. I do not have the OS/2 boot manager installed                   
and therefore, have to install lilo.

I am new to OS/2, therefore, wish not to screw things up, like                  
messing up boot records. So, if anyone has already done this,                   
will you please let me know what not to do? By the way, I am
using the HPFS.


Thank you in advance,

M. Mannan                                     

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: frank@atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de (Frank Siegert)
Subject: Re: Seyon
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:32:59 GMT

kranz@cs.tulane.edu (Barry Kranz) writes:

>Although I have been able to compile the X app Seyon, everytime I
>execute it I get a "killed by signal 11" error, has anyone gotten
>this to work?

>Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>thanx
>krnz@thor.cs.tulane.edu

I got the same error. It looks like XtInitApplication blows the thing up
(segment violation) in seyon-cmd. Funny because the parameters for this
function are all valid (checked with gdb). Since I have successfully
compiled X apps on my machine I suspect something is rotten in Denmark...

Maybe some kind soul has a solution for this. 

Don't let the SUN go down on you

Frank


--

// HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY  - famous last words

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim)
Subject: Re: Good/bad 14.4 modems?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:58:16 GMT

I have an Infotel v.32bis/v.42bis 14.4K FAX/modem from MidWest Micro...
Not only is it the cheapest around at about $200, but it is well-behaved with
regard to interrupts too... I have it sharing an interrupt with my COM port
under Linux and both work properly!  (I even discussed this with Ted, the
author of the serial driver. 8-)  I'm very happy with it.  It even comes with
software for DOS and MS-Windows (if you are so inclined), and 10 year warantee.

I got it as part of a group purchase, and I may get together a second one.
Let me know if you're willing to pick it up in Cambridge, MA, you can save
on shipping charges.

                                                 -- |)an
                                                 dthumim@athena.mit.edu
From: billw@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Motif
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:41:03 GMT
Organization: /home/wpwood/.organization


John,
	Motif and MWM are not in the public domain.  They were written
by the Open Software Foundation and I'm pretty sure you could get the
source from them, but it is not cheap.  Typically, large computer man-
ufacturers purchase it to distribute with their platforms.
	Now, if only someone would write an mwm look/work-alike.
Apparently gwm will do, but I understand it to be *SLOW*.
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AIX Development       |   Greatest of Warriors, lay wretched and sniveling
512-838-4107          |   in his bed and felt very sorry for himself indeed.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru)
Subject: Re: Packaging Linux
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:07:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <17612@mindlink.bc.ca> Neklan_Brozensky@mindlink.bc.ca (Neklan Brozensky) writes:
 > > Eric Matthews writes:
 > >
 > > If LINUX were packaged with a GUI in the same manner as the SLS
 > > distribution,
 > > LINUX would be competing with OS-2 and WINDOWS NT.  LINUX, being free and
 > > having
 > > a large software base, would be very competitive.
 > >
 > 
 > Are you saying that right now it has a large software base?
 > 
 > It doesn't have a large software base when you are positioning it to take on
 > WIN-NT and OS/2. But it *could* *if* there was a way of running DOS  and
 > precompiled 386 sysV 4.2 programs... (running win 3.1 would be nice too..)

Agreed. However, seems to me that Linux isn't being positioned as a
OS/2 or WIN[NT] killer as much as it supposed to be a viable, usable
Unix look-alike for a cheap and easily accessible hardware.

 > IBM learnt their lesson when they marketed OS/2 for 5 years with-out decent
 > DOS support.  Any future desktop operating system has to have it.

IBM did learn their lesson. The second statement however has to be
qualified. It is only true if someone is trying to become a major
commercial player in the home & low-end desktop market. Note the
word "commmercial". If you want to make money, DOS support is
necessary. If you don't mind being a niche player or if you aren't
expecting to become rich, then it isn't that important. I am not
saying that you shouldn't have it at all. All I am saying is that
not having DOS support doesn't spell doom for Linux.

 > BTW I'm a new linux user, and like the original poster of this thread, I
 > agree that A simple prepackaged Xwindow linux could really make some noise on
 > the desktop, but *only* when it has DOS compatibility.

If you want really want DOS compatibility that badly, then you should
consider enhancing the existing DOS emulator.

However, I do agree that having a well packaged linux system will
definitely extend it's reach.

-- 
Satish K. Chittamuru				satishc@microsoft.com
=====
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein, either stated or implied, are
solely my own and do not reflect Microsoft's views in any manner.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dje@sspiff.cygnus.com (Doug Evans)
Subject: Checking code space writes with 0.98pl5
Organization: Cygnus Support
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:11:17 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

For those wanting to find those pesky (and buggy) programs, try this kernel
patch (courtesy of Linus). The patch should be applied to mm/memory.c

*** memory.c=	Tue Nov 17 19:23:22 1992
--- memory.c	Wed Nov 18 08:08:39 1992
***************
*** 467,473 ****
  	if (tsk == current && tsk->executable && CODE_SPACE(address, current)) {
  		/* don't send SIGSEGV when in kernel or v86 mode */
  		if (user_esp)
! 			send_sig(SIGSEGV, tsk, 1);
  		/* Note that we still do the copy-on-write: if the process catches
  		 * SIGSEGV we want things to work..
  		 */
--- 467,473 ----
  	if (tsk == current && tsk->executable && CODE_SPACE(address, current)) {
  		/* don't send SIGSEGV when in kernel or v86 mode */
  		if (user_esp)
! 			printk("%s writes to code space\n", tsk->comm);
  		/* Note that we still do the copy-on-write: if the process catches
  		 * SIGSEGV we want things to work..
  		 */

-- 
Doug Evans               | And Life, that sets all things in rhyme,
dje@sspiff.cygnus.com    | May make you poet, too, in time -
                         | But there were days, O tender elf,
                         | When you were Poetry itself!         C. Morley
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:58:28 -0500 
From: "Brian E. Gallew" <geek+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: union wait

What is the linux-ism for a "union wait"?  It would really be helpful
to know for porting some software.

                                  -Brian

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