From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Butthead - maybe we could finish it here?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:34:16 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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In article <1992Dec23.121422.18011@abo.fi>, HEGE@FINABO.ABO.FI (Kaj H{ggman DC) writes:
>In <1992Dec22.211550.19290@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu writes:
>> It's a shame that some people have to be know-it-all jerks. Anyone who flames
>> or ridicules someone for asking a question is just insecure with what they 
>> know and are trying to make themselves look better. 
>
>This is probably quite close to the truth.

Oh?  Practicing without a license, are we?  You can get in a LOT of trouble for
that, you know!

It appears to me that the ignoramuses who think that they should be able to
have other people run their systems for them are a lot more insecure than those
of us who actually help people with their problems with VMS (of course, some of
us don't take kindly to morons claiming to "manage" VMS systems when they
haven't a clue to how VMS works;  and we fully expect said morons to call us
insecure.

Can you say "projection"?

I knew you could!

>At the same time it is one of the sad side effects of electronic mail
>and conferences - people who are quite nice "face-to-face" can be real
>d*ckheads when they get a chance to be "anonymous".

Well, to tell you the truth, I'm no more willing to suffer fools gladly in
persan than I am over the net, dickhead (I'm also not so fucked up that I'll
put asterisks in a word so I can try to pretend I didn't really say it;  can
you say "hypocrisy"?  I knew you could!

>Here at the University there are usually a few cases (1st year students) 
>every year, but they always grow up and learn how to behave.
>Some people just don't seem to learn that at home.

You know, that's EXACTLY what I was thinking about the various shit-for-brains
assholes who don't think they need to know anything about VMS to manage a VMS

system.
>>Come on know-it-alls, didn't any of you ever have to ask for help before???
>
>Quite right. What I really don't understand is, why anybody bothers to write 
>loooooong flames and waste their (probably) valuable time, when one could
>just skip the message and go to the next one?

That's understandable.  You don't seem to be able to  understand anything.  Why
should this particular instance be an exception?

>> No question is dumb and I would extend the same courtesies to someone with a 
>> quetion that I would want when I have one.
>
>If I don't remember wrong you are even taught that at school (at least
>over here). It should be part of everybody's education.

Well, some of us are also taught that it's impolite to claim stupidity as a
virtue.  Apparently they don't teach that "over there."  Please refrain from
being impolite in that way in the future.

>SO:
>- all of us don't know the answers to all questions

True.

>- all of us (like me) don't speak or write English fluently - that doesn't
>  make us less intelligent (no comments about me :-)

I never said it did.  I *DID* point out that in Sabry's case, his lack of
fluency in English is impairing his ability to manage a VMS system.  Perhaps
it's your own lack of fluency in the language that caused you to miss this
subtle distinction?

>- all of us even don't know how to RTFM (I hope I do)

Learning to RTFM should be the first step in the education of a system manager. 
If someone claims to be a system manager but doesn't know how to RTFM, then his
employer should be able to sue him for fraud.

>That shouldn't prevent us from using this magnificent resource - the net -
>in order to solve our problems better and faster than anyway else,
>should it?

No.  However, if, like Sabry, you ask questions, then ignore any and all
answers you receive, you should be prepared to be flamed for your willful
stupidity.

>Maybe the typical FAQ's don't need to be followed up (we don't want
>to read the answers, nor the flames), they could just be replyed?

Let me point out that I've never flamed anybody for asking a FAQ.  I *HAVE*
flamed people for asking a question, ignoring the answers, and then asking the
same question again, and I *HAVE* flamed people for asking a question that was
covered in a thread within the past week, when they've been active in the group
while that thread was going on.

>AND, you could read your posting (at least once) before you post it 
>(believe it or not, I did that). 

Well, jackass, I've done the same.  You seem to be a royal dickhead (not a
d*ckhead).  You seem to believe that it's possible to manage a VMS system
withoug having a clue as to how VMS works.  You seem to think that this is not
INFO-VAX, but
I-AM-TOO-STUPID/LAZY-TO-LEARN-VMS-SO-PLEASE-DO-MY-JOB-FOR-ME-AND-DO-NOT-ASK-
	ME-TO-TAKE-THE-TROUBLE-TO-LEARN-MY-JOB-BECAUSE-IF-YOU-DO-THAT-MIGHT-
	HURT-MY-FEELINGS

>I dunno.

You got that right!

>Anyway, Merry Christmas And A Happy New (less flamey :-) Year 1993!

Take a look at some of my posts from tonight.  I don't flame people
indiscriminately.  I *DO* flame people who take pride in their willful
stupidity.  Yourself included.  May you learn enough in the new year that you
no longer deserve such flames.
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understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.