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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.234311.10136@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.164053.2452@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>In article <4465@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>>>My first post to this newsgroup, with encouragement from Clare.
>>>
>
>Being required to show proof of citizenship (or other right to work in the
>US) is a result of the immigration reform in 1988? (87?).  I think it's
>wonderful that this requirement is universal, not just for the non-whites.
>
>On the other hand, this usually happens when some Human Resources person
>processes your paperwork on your first day, not when some high-level
>manager meets you after you give a technical presentation...


Well, it depends. A friend of mine went to a job fair recently (he's BLN/BLU)
and said that one of the first questions he was asked at several booths was
"Are you a US citizen?"

Note: the question came as a bit of a surprise to me when I first was asked. I
had been out of the country for a couple years and hadn't heard about the law.
I just don't see that it's really THAT big a deal. Well, actually, I do. I
have NO objection to any qualified foreigner getting a job here in the US.
While some jobs require security clearances, and can thus be reasonably with
held from foreigners, for the most part, my opinion is that anyone willing and
able to find work here in the US, at fair market salary, should be able to do
so.

Mike

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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: alcohol (was Re: Cheese)
Keywords: cheese alcohol
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:22:24 GMT

In article <l6mavdINNqq7@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Ugga de Boogidie) writes:
> 
> The problem I run into is I can't drink alcohol. I can get away with
> maybe drinking 1/8 of a regular glass of wine but if I start to drink
> more than 1/4 of it, I start to feel warm, my face turns all red, and
> I get sleepy.
> 
> I know a lot of Asians have this problem (is it a problem?) but I
> also know some who can drink a whole glass of wine or any mixed drink
> and be perfectly fine. I read somewhere that Asians misses a chemical
> that processes alcohol. Don't even ask me for a reference, it was so
> long ago. 
> 
> Does this happen to any of you A-As out there?

     Yup, it happens to me.  This is due to two problems things: weight
and a missing enzyme.  Weight is obvious: the less you weigh, the smaller
the quantity of alcohol you can drink.  According to the charts I've
seen, one drink (one beer, one glass of wine, one ounce of whiskey) gets
me legally drunk.  (My weight is left as an exercise for the reader.)

     The second factor is a missing enzyme.  According to a med student
with whom I spoke, many Asians don't have a particular enzyme which
Caucasians use to metabolize alcohol.  The result is a different
metabolization process, and the (in)famous flushed face.  Half a glass
of wine will take me to this stage easily, which is too bad as I really
like wine.

     Here's a neat combination of threads: for you lactose intolerant
Asian-Americans who also flush, don't ever try white Russians (the drink,
silly).  (It's a mixed drink including milk.)  As I had the pleasure to
discover in college, the two reactions combine to produce bright red
splotches all over your body.  This will probably worry your drinking
companions.

						George

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From: andy@meefun.autodesk.com (Andrew Purshottam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Request for archive copy of asian male rant.
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:42:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Autodesk Inc.


Hi, a while back (one, could it be two?  don't remeber how long scaa
has been around) andy@*.mit.edu (not me) posted an amazing long weird
beautiful Asian American male rant. It easily ranks with Mark Ethan
Smith's S&M scientists  in the Best Minority Paranoia class of
Usenet rants.

I am currently collecting Usenet rants, and would like a copy
of the AAM rant mentioned. If you have a copy, please mail it to 
andy@autodesk.com. [This is not for any kind of profit making venture;
just for fun, and maybe eventual posting.]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Cheese
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:56:40 GMT

In article <!ZQ-vs@engin.umich.edu>, kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu (Michael Kamprath) writes:
> In article <khaw.711515278@parcplace.com>, khaw@parcplace.com (Mike Khaw) writes:
> > 
> > In <1992Jul18.213316.10646@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) writes:
> > 
> > >Oh, well, a light topic in here every once in a while can't hurt, huh?

     Cheese, light?  Naw, it's loaded with fat!!!!  :-)

> > >How do you AAs like the taste of cheese?  One thing I noticed very much
> > >when I grew up was that *I COULD NOT STAND THE STUFF*!!  God, I thought it
> > >tasted disgusting.  There was no way you could get me to eat it, in whatever
> > >form.  Especially American cheese.

     I really like cheese, but American cheese is essentially hydrogenated
vegetable oil.  Try some of the riper, real stuff.  Much more flavor.  Of
course, I find Brie rather bland tasting, which should give you a hint of
how my tastes run.

> > Doesn't bother me in the least bit, but I do have to consume some
> > Dairy-Ease or Lact-Aid first :).

     I can get by without this stuff if I only eat a few ounces.  Ditto
for ice cream.

> > I'm not particularly fond of American cheese. It usually seems to be
> > some overprocessed, plastic mutation of cheddar. I also avoid things
> > labelled "pasteurized processed cheese food"; what the heck is "cheese
> > food", anyway?
> 
> You can not buy _true_ American cheese at normal grocery stores, or at least 
> I have never been able to find it.  The only place I've ever had it was from
> those government food surplus programs (they give it out 5 pounds at a time).
> True American cheese (non-processed) does taste good (of course, that's
> subjective).  The "processed" American cheese you buy in "convienient" 
> individually wrapped packages typically is chemical equivalent to margerine,
> or at least pretty close.

     The best tasting "American" cheese, IMHO, is Kraft Old English style
American cheese.  (Honest, that's what it's called!!!!  :-)  Cheese food
is the FDA legalease for some foreign substance which contains a certain
percentage of dairy product.  The percentage required for cheese food is
well below that required for cheese product and cheese.  Cheese food is
suitable only as a spackling product and driveway crack filler.

							George

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From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Degree Envy
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:08:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.yuan1.712260528
Distribution: na

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:


>  A fellow s.c.a.a.-er and I were discussing our families
>  and we struck upon something interesting.  I wonder how
>  many Asian American families out there have this thing
>  about degrees and names of schools and universities.

>  For example, you hear your relatives or parent's friends
>  discuss their kids and all you hear are PhD from
>  Berkeley, M.D. from Yale, PhD from Cornell, MD
>  from Stanford, MD/PhD from Harvard, etc. etc. etc.

Heh, heh.  This sounds closely related to the mini-thread a few weeks about
people who's parents wanted them to go to Harvard (and I plead guilty in this
respect) for the "name."  I too seem to be in a family filled with Ph.D's
and scientists, but there are also lots of people with Masters.  When I was
little, my parents always told me to get a Ph.D and to work in science, but
there was never any comparison, I don't think, between my relatives and me.
I think that they wanted to motivate me to do the best that I could, and in
their minds, that meant getting a Ph.D.  I think they favored science only
because they felt it would be less discriminatory towards Asians (and Asian-
Americans, of course.  :-) ).  Ivy League schools were just another symbol
of having done one's best.

Interestingly, now that I'm in college, my parents have not expressed many
opinions about my future career, and have said that whatever I decide is
fine with them.  I suppose all the talk about Ph.D's and Harvard and so on
was just their way of motivating me, and now they feel that it's time I make
my own decisions.  They seem quite pleased with the possibility of my going
to law school, for example.  :-)

-nhy

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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:58:48 GMT
	<1992Jul22.192230.10192@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   e199-ac@fornax (Alexander Lee) writes:
   I hate both cheese and milk.  It's too WHITE.

   I prefer chocolate.

Chocolate is fine (except white chocolate, of course), but surely the
most politically correct food would be cornbread, yellow all the way
through.  We all know that twinkies and bananas are incorrect, because
they're white on the inside.  

I would welcome an analysis of hard-boiled or fried eggs: is it OK to
be white on the outside but yellow at the core?

BTW, you should go to a store with a wider selection of cheese.  There
are lots of good yellow cheeses.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:50:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.192852.3755@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.023440.1118@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>outrageous demands.  But the Korean gov't is insisting that the Japanese
>>gov't give the Koreans in Japan special privileges not afforded to
>>other foreigners.
>
>Activating tape-player again?  Quote specific instances special privileges
>Korean government demanded from Japanese goverment on the behalf of Koreans
>living in Japan.
>

answer: finger-printing.

The S. Korean gov't demanded that Japan no longer finger-print the
Koreans in Japan.  Japan acceded but continues to finger-print many
other foreigners.

I challenge Mr. Shin to name 1 single case of a Korean who fulfilled
the requirements of citizenship--the same requirements that other
foreigners must fulfill--but who was denied citizenship in Japan.

The constant b*tching by Koreans in Japan concerning citizenship and
the rights that accrue with it is bogus.  The Koreans don't want 
Japanese citizenship but demand the rights that come with it.  When
the Korean murmur increases, the Japanese gov't should point out
--with the force of American will--the various discriminatory practices
in Korean society against Japanese.  Just to name a few, they
include the banning of Japanese language programming in the theaters
or the airwaves and the prohibition of Japanese access to purchasing
shares of Korean firms[1].

[1] When access was liberalized to allow limited American participation,
the Japanese were singled out for prohibition by the Koreans.  The Japanese
are still prohibited to this very day.

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From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:03:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul29.155925.9351@u.washington.edu>

I clipped the original series back in '87, and I think
it meets my criterion for ethnic jokes - it had better
be pretty damn funny, and I think it is. The next panel
has parents of the girl complaining about her doing too
well, and then saying it was unfair if their kids had to
simply study harder to compete.

Complain if you will, but that's one of the few places
Doonesbury has ever used Asian-Am characgters besides
honey and the VC guy in the real old days. I enjoy Asians
even the stereotyped ones. When you complain about
stereotypes, the most common thing is that the ethnic
gets dropped completely since you can't win with either
a stereotype, or somebody who's completely white-washed.
From: judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 30 Jul 1992 00:04:25 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul29.011958.3778@clipper.ingr.com> jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair) writes:

>	Many of your enumerated points are valid, perhaps most, but I
>	wonder why you feel the need to "gain rights as a group".  
>	The social evils that African-Americans feel oppressed by
>	don't apply to Asian-Americans. For example, unequal access
>	to education -- step onto any UC campus; unequal access to significant
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Do you know anything about the insidious admissions
policy in the 1980s that kept the number of Asian American admits down? 
Do you know who Marcy Li Wang is? How about Don Nakanishi? They are Asian
Americans who were harassed and denied tenure at UC schools because of their
race.

>	employment -- look into any computer company in Silicon Valley;
Look at the complexions of the management. There was a long article about
the glass ceiling in engineering in _Asian Week_ several months ago.

>	unequal housing -- I bought a house in Daly City BECAUSE the
>	community is predominantly Asian-American. 

What are you, some sort of an ASIAN FETISH type?

>	   Do you really feel so powerless that even your decision
>	decision about who to marry must be political?  The result 

Yes. Are you implying that marrying a white person will solve everything?

>	after several generations would be the creation of a
>	subculture that is about as Asian as blacks are African.

I agree, but no matter how long people of color have been in the US, they are
still not looked upon as "real Americans." Tell me why a fifth generation 
American of Asian ancestry is still
asked "Where are you from (in Asia)?" Why were certain Americans locked up
in concentration camps when they lived in this country all their lives?

Infiltrate the power. Where are you, Brother Leon?

Judy Tseng
judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asians in Film, again
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:04:36 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Jul19.180505.8224@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu writes:
|>           The first was Jim Jarmusch's (sp?) Mystery Train.
|>      . . . . .
|>      It answers some complaints about the asexuality of Asian male
|>      roles.
|
| Are you kidding?  The Japanese guy is portrayed as a humorless, clueless
| wet noodle with no sense of foreplay.  His girlfriend takes care of the
| sexuality; he just flops on top of her for 15 seconds and calls it sex.

Funny, that's the sort of thing one often sees in Japanese TV dramas.

| If there's a movie that gets the CM's in the audience thinking, "I could
| rescue that sexy young AF from that geeky AM," it's Mystery Train.

Speak for yourself.  This CM was thinking "Gosh, teenaged sex hasn't
changed much, has it?"

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Dwight Joe's Personal Profile
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<LAUNCE.92Jul19180209@apollo.med.utah.edu>
	<1992Jul21.230540.14639@tcsi.com>
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:31:24

In article <1992Jul21.230540.14639@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>   I imagine Dwight Joe's estimation of "thousands of undecided
>   readers" is unrealistics, but on the possibility even one person
>   might be swayed by his arguments, I urge you to continue to refute
>   him.  I too felt sorry for him when I read the crossposted material,
>   but the vitriol he posts is too full of hate to forego comment.
>
>							   George

Part of the reason I think ignoring dj is the best way to deal with
him is that, more often than not, an ignored poster eventually fades
away.  I'm kind of ashamed to admit it, but I follow alt.flame, *the*
vitriolic newsgroup; when somebody really stupid comes along, most of
the "regulars" ignore him/her until he/she goes away.  This tactic
works even better in talk.bizarre.  Loser posters are killfiled until
they end up mumbling to only themselves -- they soon drop out. DJ
*used* to post to t.b., but he was so unfunny and un-bizarre (loser
self-hating geeks who think they have hilarious, yet profound things
to say are dime-a-dozen on that froup) that he was ignored into
oblivion.  Earlier postings seem to state that this is also *exactly*
what happened to dj in soc.culture.chinese, where he (apparently) no
longer posts his venemous spew.  Part of his reason for posting is, I
believe, to yank people's chains and get a reaction; to get his
peverse little pleasure from getting a rise out of others. Perhaps
it's a kind of cathartic release to ameliorate his self-hatred, i.e.
"I really showed *those* Chinesekoo baboons!!!"  Sad. Pathetic.
Ultimately very ignorable.  Let him stew in his own foetid pit of
self-disgust.  No need to jump in there and encourage him. Think of it
as aikido-rhetoric. ;-)

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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long]
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:03:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Bryan,

Thanks for taking the time to post well thought out articles on
the net. After scanning volumes on "Perming Hair", "Dating", and
countless accusations on racism, it is nice to read articles which
activate the brain before activating the pen (or keyboard :-).

Keep up the good work.

Hassan
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian <> Asian-American
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:30:27 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
  And another thing about the BIG DEAL is that when an Asian or 1st generation
  Asian American asks me "Where are you from?"  If I say, "I'm Chinese."
  They look at me with barely concealed disbelief and smugness, and say,
  "Oh you mean your ancestors are from China."  Like I'm not good
  enough to be Chinese.

I even got this from my college sweetheart who was from Beijing and it
was not just because I am only half Chinese-ge.  To her, even if you
are full Chinese-ge you are not Chinese unless you were raised
Chinese-cu and raised in a Chinese language.  Her family is the same
way.  To them, Chinese = speaks Chinese & Chinese-cu & Chinese-ge,
unlike what Mr. Joe says about Chinese-cu people (ie. he says they
think Chinese-ge => Chinese-cu).
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From: elrod@ocf.berkeley.edu (Edward L. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Xenophobia, Kristi, and SNL
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:43:21 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

-Ed
From: myc@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Michael Y Chiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:00:37 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab

In article <1992Jul29.114745.19138@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>Has anyone else noticed this week's Doonesbury cartoons?
>They're pretty definitive of the "model minority"
>stereotype.  Does anyone feel like drafting a complaint,
>or are we all worn out from the "Abby" stuff?
>
>(They're actually repeats from 1988, as Garry Trudeau
>is on sabbatical.)
>

[Doonesbury dialogue deleted]

Complain to whom?  Garry Trudeau?  As a satirist, he is presenting the
"model minority" stereotype, while at the same time, showing how absurd
it is.

If you want to see a blatantly stereotyped Asian American in a comic
strip, try reading "Beetle Bailey".  The Japanese(?) American (Corporal
Yo?) is the classic slant-eyed, sexless, highly organized, electronic
gadget collecting...  You get the idea.  But then again, Beetle is the
perfect image of the "lazy American".  1/2 :-)

>-- 
>Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
>achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
>                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: teebone@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rand Quinn)
Subject: AACI Glass Ceiling Survey (long version)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:58:39 GMT
From: angeli@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:21:57 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

In article <1992Jul28.060754.14338@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
> Trivia:
>   Name of Country: Philippines
>      based on the name of King Philip.
>   What are people from the Philippines called?
>      FILIPINOS.
>   Then why do I always or sometimes hear/see the word Filipino spelled
>      Pilipino?
> 	I believe, Pilipino is a more politically correct way (sorry.  I
>         wasn't able to find a better word for politically correct).  
> 	Supposedly, the Philippine language has no F.  The letter F was
> 	probably influenced by the Colonial powers in the Philippine's
>         past.  

    I'm not sure that "Pilipino" is more PC or what.  But it is the
    tagalog word for the english word "Filipino."  Both are correct.

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