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From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Could this possible be true?!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:25:15 GMT

In article <BD.92Nov21101224@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
$mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
$
$>In article <jac1.722153269@Isis.MsState.Edu> jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox) writes:
$>$das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
$>$
$>$>This definitely is one of the most bizarre rumors I've heard recently:
$>$
$>$>A friend this weekend told me that an acquaintance of his from Missisippi
$>$>told him that there is a movement in the South by the KKK and others of their
$>$>ilk to reinstitute slavery!  Anyone heard of this?
$>$
$>$I don't know about that.  The newspapers down here haven't mentioned
$>$it.  I wouldn't doubt it though.  David Duke is out of work and
$>$needs some more money and hate mail.
$>
$>That's the point.  If somethin like this was jumpin off, you certainly
$>wouldn't read of it in the paper.  What would the headline be? "KKK:
$>We finah jack all niggas livin down here"  Yeah right.  People that
$>have 3/4 of an ounce of sense would be either in a major exodus or a
$>major revolution.
$
$Nice rhetoric, but do you really believe it?

I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

$I recall that when the KKK even plans a march in a major city
$it's national news, on all the networks, and is talked about
$for weeks.

Yeah, that's right.  So what?  What about all the marches that ain't
gettin any kind of radio play.  And for those that are, what better
way to get more people to go over to your cause than to get some radio
play?

But really, that ain't the point, the point is:  THe KKK is evolving
with the times, and it's no longer "cool" to come out and actually say
that you hate a different race.  It's politically incorrect...or one
of them damn incorrect things to do.  So they're much more quiet about
their actions.  In Minneapolis, some of the city's top businessmen are
members, but you'd never know if somebody didn't tell you.  Another
perfect example:  Some sucker named Tom David put a 1x3 inch ad in the
U of M student newspaper that said "Want to join a White Student
Union?  Not racist", the paper loc'ed on the ad and went nuts, and 
within two weeks, the entire school was embroiled in controversy.

So while most groups would appreciate the radio play, some wouldn't,
not if they're tryin to hook up a surprise.

$And you suggest that if the KKK was openly calling for a return to 
$slavery the press would cover it up?

If they were bought for enough, sure.  Believe me, the press has done
it before.  Example?  The Cuban Missile Crisis.  According to ABC, we
were within 45 minutes of a nuclear confrontation, while the papers
were spewing "Everything's cool, it's off." What's to keep them from
keepin the lid on a possible KKK revolution?


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Aww, nigga! You know you all that and a          malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
	bowl o' grits!!"  - Ice Cube
From: edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:06:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <DuPsTB1w163w@peewee> <1992Nov15.020915.13341@midway.uchicago.edu>
  <1992Nov16.141632.11832@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
  <Bxu0D9.GrG@world.std.com>


One more point about Bowers v. Hardwick.  If I remember the decision correctly,
the court specifically (or at least in a concurring opinion) states that the
issue of whether a privacy right is violated in the context of a married 
couple is not before the court.  The implication there is that at least
additional consideration would be given if the defendants were married 
(presumably in a heterosexual marriage).  Of course, one can argue that
there is no indication whether the court's analysis would substantially be
the same in the context of unmarried heterosexuals.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Monkey Apology
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:23:42 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology

I recently ended an article about AIDS conspiracy theories with the
my frustration that no amount of spelling out of the facts is going
to end the conspiracy theories, and get people to assume responsibility
for themselves.  Specifically, I said "monkey brains" regarding such
conspiracy mongers.  Somebody complained--nicely even--in e-mail.

I apologize for any and all offense.  What can I say?  I was typing
too much too fast, and the topic of monkeys had been kicked around,
so wheeee! in goes the crack.  No thought of the bigoted stereotype
was running by at the time, but once I had my nose rubbed in it like
an untrained puppy making messes on the carpet, I noticed it loud
and clear.  This isn't an excuse, just life sometimes.  Again, my
apologies.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week In Black History (11/16 - 11/22 1992)
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:14:48
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu

Today is Monday November 16, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

November 16   

November 17  

November 18  Klu Klux Klan member convicted of 1963 church bombing
                that killed four young Black girls in Birmingham, Ala

November 19  

November 20  Garrett Morgan invented and patented the traffic signal, 1923
             Howard University founded in Washington DC, 1865

November 21  Shaw University founded in Raleigh NC, 1865

November 22  Black Muslim movement initiated in Detroit, 1930

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


--
Peace.
     "Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete
      than expected.  Carefully planned projects take four times
      longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners
      expect their planning to reduce the time it takes."
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Light-skinned, Dark-skinned, the conflict continues...
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:46:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov14.230145.11757@wam.umd.edu> nikkif@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (N'Kenge Feagin) writes:
>I used to only prefer dark-skinned men.  Then I came to college, met some  
>lighter brothers who were about something, and realized that excluding  
>them just because they were light was almost as bad someone excluding me  
>             Nikki F.

Well and courageously spoken. While you are at it why don't you address the
issue of permed (straightened) hair which is a problem even among some 
African wome.


makala

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape,talk.politics.guns
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: A Coffee-House Conversation with an Imaginary Nadja
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:59:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.223446.1558@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>In article <sch.721522253@gargoyle> sch@unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth) writes:
>>I don't know ANYONE that would REQUIRE people to be armed. You are using
>>an invalid Reductio Ad Absurdum argument. The founders also didn't envision 
>>TV, or Xerox (tm) machines, or computers, or faxes, or radio...
>
>	Guess again Stevie boy!  The City of Kinnesaw Georgia (that's
>the USA southern state :-)  has a statue on the books that requires all
>households in the corporate limits to own a weapon!  (There are some
>exemptions for various reasons of conscience and such.)

Guess again Wolfie.  That law is truely symbolic.  It exempts anyone
who doesn't want to comply.

It was a response to Morton Grove's gun ban.  Guess which "worked"
better?

-andy
--
UUCP:    {arpa gateways, sun, decwrl, uunet, rutgers}!cs.stanford.edu!andy
ARPA:    andy@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:28:22 GMT

In article <ie19TB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>someone else wrote:
>	>Are you laboring under the misconception that being gay is an 
>	>act of will?
>Nobody forces a gay person to pump butt.  He does so of his own FREE WIll.

I've heard a number of straight people do this as well.

>Of course there are physiological differences, because gay people have
>AIDS, which changes many things.

And some straight people have AIDS, and some gays don't.

>	>Not eveyone who gets AIDS is gay.  
>Please name me ONE single famous person that has AIDS who is not also
>a rootslurper.

There was a case of someone (I forgot their name) who contracted AIDS
from their dentist.  This person was straight.  (I don't remember if
the dentist was straight or not.)

>Lastly, some nerd on this newsgroup called me a "high risk" person
>because I'm a heterosexual intravenous drug user.  WRONG!  I'm a
>heterosexual, true, but I've never touched a needle outside of a
>doctor's office in my entire lifetime!  Gross!  Almost as gross as
>being gay!

Better watch out where those needles come from, son.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: robertk@rkrajewski.lotus.com (Robert Krajewski)
Subject: Re: Who's Malcolm X ?
Organization: Lotus Development Corporation
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:46:43

In article <ISBELL.92Nov22110007@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

   In the end, as far as I'm concerned, Malcolm X has served as an
   inspiration to *me* and changed my life.  And I consider that an
   accomplishment for which I am most grateful.

I don't think anybody could take that away from Malcolm, or you.

But, comparing the policy impact of Malcom and Martin, Martin wins
hands down. Remember that although Martin reached out to America at
large (that does mean white folks, mostly), he also organized blacks
to force the issue of America being a civilized nation for *all* its
citizens. Martin and his followers (and there were a lot of them) put
their lives and bodies on the line. His *rhetoric* was not
confrontational like Malcolm's, but the civil rights movement had a
front line that was in a very real, tangible conflict with the ugly
and brutal side of this country.

By directing the struggle for equal rights and opportunity outward,
the civil rights movement could harness the better impulses of this
nation to enforcing the intent of the Constution's protection of rights
for all by ensuring for African-Americans. The voting and civil rights
acts of the '60s would have never happened without him.

Martin probably would have done more focussing "inward" if he had
lived, I think, but his first priority was to create civil environment
that guarantee some minimal level of decency that would foster the
uplifting of the African-American condition.

Malcolm, on the other hand, spent most of his *public* life speaking
from a position of relative obscurity. The NOI is a distinctive
institution, but it has never captured the moral imagination of the AA
community at large, let along the entire country. The NOI might have
has some good "local" goals, but its exclusionary, and xenophobic
stance betrayed its lack of expansionary vision.

Malcolm's clarity of thought finally overthrew his early, limiting
influences, and his intellect could have moved more people in the
wider world. But he was killed. I don't think anybody who has read his
autobiography could doubt that this man who had travelled such a long
spiritual and intellectual road was destined for a great public
American life. His transformation is a great example, but this does
not serve a basis for public, civil achievements.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: My People, Please Read This.
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:55:39 GMT

Just Ignore Stromer.  No more, no less.

We should be more interested in each other rather than wasting  
precious bandwidth on White people who lie and cajole just to  
make a point of exciting us to anger.

Let's get to know one another.  I love my Black brothers and  
sisters and I want to learn about you and grow to know and love  
you as friends.

A friend and I were laughing at an analogy see made about  
positive Black brothers and sisters and, well, negative ones and  
how they all combine in our quest to have friends on-campus.

N'Kenge said, "Donald, we're like ducks on the ground settling  
for the bread crumbs of some old White man sitting on a park  
bench in a bad raincoat.  We should be flying with the ducks in  
V-formation, but NAHHH - we want to be loved by the pigeons.   
The pigeons make us feel good, because ducks are such novelties  
to pigeons.  We'll quack and pigeons will warble in astonishment  
that we can quack!  Ducks are idolized by pigeons when they  
quack!  But we ducks know good and well that if we were flying  
in V-formation with other ducks, they would quack "Oh really?   
Where did you read that?", give you a look, and might even quack  
"Good, but keep flapping them wings."  We continue to quack and  
the pigeons warble, "Damn, can't you warble a little more?  We  
get sick of you quacking all the time."  And yes, between  
fermented bread crumbs, the ducks sho' nuff get all frowned up  
and sick of hearing the pigeons warble their nonsense that's not  
even helping other pigeons.  We ducks have to realize, "Yeah, we  
are all birds, but I'm a duck and I was born to quack and fly in  
V-formation.  Pigeons are born to warble and settle for bread  
crumbs.  So as ducks, we must look up to the sky and try to  
catch up and fly with the other ducks flying south because it  
sho' nuff IS getting cold ..."

N'Kenge Feagin.  Now THAT'S one proud Black sister!

Donald - It's time for some action!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:01:20 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) wrote:
:In article <ISBELL.92Nov15123151@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
:>mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
:>|>You obviously don't understand the logic of this.  One day out  
:>|>of school is worth going to see this movie. [...] 
:>
:>|You know maybe I'm missing something, but why not take them after
:>|school or during the weekend?  [...]
:>
:>Aside from Spike Lee's comments that he did not advocate this and that
:>his comment was taken out of context..
:
:Well, I saw him advocating this just two days ago on network TV.  He also
:did an interview recently with Pia Lindstrom, who as far as I know, is white.
:I think Spike says whatever he thinks will sell movie tickets:
:  Controversy --> Publicity --> Ticket Sales
:I intend to see the movie in any case, and take my kids, on a weekend.


The buildup to X is starting to remind me of the furore that erupted
with the release one year ago of JFK.  The only difference seems to be
that the maelstrom surrounding Stone's flick was that generated by the
movie itself -- sensational, manipulative, fantastic -- whereas the
maelstrom around Lee's involves everything *but* the flick.

No?

A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
From: jms@netcom.com (John Schonholtz)
Subject: 60 Minutes Story on Johnny D. McMillan
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:25:54 GMT

I don't believe it!

I logged on here today expecting to see all kinds of outraged postings
about the 60 Minutes piece last night on an obviously innocent black man on
death row in Alabama for six years.  I mean, it was just a total joke;
so much so that Ed Bradley got bored with debunking the prosecution's case
and began looking for reasons why they would choose such a lousy candidate
for railroading.  Most likely it was because he was sleeping with a white
woman (the prosecution seems to have gone to great lengths to introduce this 
obviously relevant fact into the court proceedings).

But--nothing.  Is this kind of thing so routine that it's not worth discussing?
Brrrr!
-- 
John Schonholtz						jms@netcom.com
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in 
practice there is.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:22:10 GMT


I don't know about anyone else, but I've decided to stop responding to
Mr. Stromer. It's about as useful as talking to a log.  I have a
feeling that if we all stop responding to him, he might not be such a
bother.
-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
Subject: Re: Afriphobia, Clitoridectomy and AIDS.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:25:29 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

Gabrielle writes about Bryant Gumbel's Africa series:
>I think that the timing of this with the X movie is also
>interesting.

I thought the same thing about the Prime Time Live expose' on
Dr. Alim Muhammed. Of course, I'm just a paranoid conspiracy theorist ;-)
	Darryle
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: More gun control!
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

NA>Subject: Re: More gun control.

Look at the gun injuries in countries with very restrictive gun laws,
i.e. Germany. They are non-existent.
Don't you think, the danger of an explosion will _de_crease with
increasing the amount of dynamite piled?

Greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Rerum cognoscere causa
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Could this possible be true?!
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:53:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

This definitely is one of the most bizarre rumors I've heard recently:

A friend this weekend told me that an acquaintance of his from Missisippi
told him that there is a movement in the South by the KKK and others of their
ilk to reinstitute slavery!  Anyone heard of this?

------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:35:12 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <92324.0330222893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>,
andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>In article <1ee3i4INN30u@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu
>(Gabrielle Daniels) says:
>>
>>In article <1992Nov17.225600.14742@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>>Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu (Jeff Strabone) writes:
>>>
>>>BTW, I read in Newsweek today that among the notables with roles in the
>>>film are Bobby Seale and William Kunstler.  I won't give away the
>>>identity of the figure who reads an X speech at the movie's end.
>>>
>>.
>>.
>>The Honorable Nelson Mandela, President of the African National
>>Congress of South Africa.
>>.
>>Amandla!
>
>Who refused to speak the last line of Malcolm's speech, namely
>"By any means necessary" -- source, Globe and Mail film review.
.
.
'Cause he didn't wanna piss off the Voortrekkers, apparently and
give them more than an inch.
From: fpl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Fred LaMaster)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:28:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Federal Prosecutor's plans in Rodeny King trail leaked to Defense!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, Colorado
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

Charles L Isbell writes:
 
> According to the TODAY show this morning, the "gameplan" of the
> federal prosecutors assigned the Rodney King case has been leaked to
> the defense.  This, according to experts, is not cause for mistrail;
> however, it is the equivalent of a football disaster in which the
> plans and strategy of one team are given to an opposing team one week
> before a playoff game.
>  
> Looking good, eh?

If you ask me, getting a conviction on civil rights violations
would be pretty difficult any way.  I think the best hope for any
justice now would be to retry the one cop (Powell, the one who did
most of the beating) on the one count that the original jury
couldn't agree on.

--
Fred LaMaster        fpl@icbdfcs3.fc.hp.com
From: friedenb@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Subject: Opening scene of Malcom X movie
Reply-To: friedenb@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:32:01 GMT


I read in the Detroit News today that the opening scene of Spike Lee's
new move "Malcom X" is the assasination by 3 members of the Nation of
Islam.  Farrakhan and NOI so far refuse to comment, except that Farrakhan
asks Spike Lee to portray the information "accurately."  

I am interested to see the movie and how Spike Lee represents NOI and
Farrakhan.  

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University