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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:56:02 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Nov19.174602.21677@ncsu.edu> by linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville):
> In article <jbickers.0ip9@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

> >    Music player_s_? Were they using different output devices, or is
> >    this example full of shit?

> Neither.  OS/2 lets me run two different music players that output to the same
> device at the same time.  I presume by your response that the Amiga does not

    What device was it?

> provide this level of hardware virtualization.

    The Amiga provides 4 sound channels, and a program can ask for
    from 1 to 4. If all you want to output is a single note at a time,
    then you can ask for a single channel. For example, a text display
    program that beeps when you do something illegal only needs one
    channel for the beep. A comms program that also beeps when you do
    something illegal can use another channel, and so on (up to 4).
    But a MOD player requires and uses all 4 channels.

    Which is entirely reasonable, because there is no point in playing
    several MODs through the same device. It is a dumb thing to do (on
    a par with having something happen when you press the j and k keys
    together on a keyboard), which is what I meant about this example
    being bogus.

> John W. Linville
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From: jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ok, here is MY process list (OS/2):
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:27:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov21.162238.8426@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Ok, I have seen a few Amiga process lists a late, and thought I'd
>post to c.s.a.a. what I have runing on my OS/2 386 right now, in case
>someone was interested and wanted to comment (naw, *really*? :)  )
>
>_____________________________________________
>
>PID   PID(hex)  Process Name (use /f for fully qualified names)
>42    2a        CMD.EXE
>49    31        CMD.EXE
>7     7         DESKPIC.EXE
>6     6         DINFO.EXE
>52    34        GNUPLOT.EXE
>
>Well, comments anyone?
>

Since you asked ;-)...  

What's with this *.EXE thing?  I thought OS/2 worked around
MSDOS's 8+3 filename "feature" somehow?




>And since you're gonna ask, things _certainly_ are slowed down compared to 
>hardly anything launched.  Of course. Windows redraws are still darned fast,
>but redrawing what was under them before I move them is pretty danged slow.

Sounds like draggable multiple screens would help ;-)



Jeremy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lewis@gto.jsc.nasa.gov (Steve Lewis)
Subject: AMOS vs. C approach
Summary: The best of both worlds
Keywords: programming
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:03:15 GMT

I agree with both sides of the arguments here. AMOS makes a lot of 
complicated graphics and sound capabilities accessible to the casual 
programmer, but unfortunately, doesn't fully adhere to Amiga standards.  
What I would love to see is someone build C libraries with similar high-
level functionality as the AMOS calls.  I would buy it.
---------------------------------------------------
Steve Lewis, lewis@gto.jsc.nasa.gov, (713) 483-8126

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
               -- Mark Twain, 1897
               -- Commodore-Amiga, July, 1992
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I HAVE COME (please note: this post contains irrelevent drivel)
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:23:23 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

barham@qut.edu.au writes:

>YES!  I HAVE FINALLY COME!

Uh oh - Am I the lonly one getting worried here?

>After three years of reading c.s.a.advocacy under a cloak of irrelevancy,
>I am finally able to STRIKE OUT and make myself known upon an unsuspecting
>public.  Finally I can post!!!!

This definately does not sound good.

>Naturally I realise that with this amazing ability comes some deep, moral
>obligations, these being...

[Reasons deleted for purposed unknown]

>Thank-you for allowing me to enter your brotherhood.  I will leave now to
>save your band-width, only to return with STARTLING IRRELEVENCIES,
>SCINTILATING DOGMATIC DRIVEL and GROSSLY OVER-SALIVATED ENTHUSIASM!

Dear God - We've created a monster!  First there was Marc N Barret, now
the inevitable has finally arrived - The ANTI-BARRET!

Nah  -That's way too far fetched.

I hope.

	Mark

Just wondering how I can fit a Unicorn into my .sig - It seems empty
without one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: A4000 PCTask Demo Results
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:24:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.165834.26913@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>Okay, I just finished running the PCTask Demo on the A4000 and it works
>pretty well.  It booted off of a 1.44M MSDOS floppy in pc0: with no
>problem and ran everything that I tried.
>
>The Norton SI benchmark rated is as 4.2 times the speed of an IBM XT,
>
>Scrolling is actually usable and the emulator might actually be worth
>using if PCs weren't so cheap.

It's still a heck of a lot cheaper than a "real" PC, unless they dropped
below $100 without me noticing.

Anyway, the question of emulation on the A4000 is important to me.  I have an
A2000 with a 286 Bridgeboard at the moment.  Basically, because I work with
PCs so much, I need to be able to run PC software from time to time at home.
The 2286 does me well enough.  It cost me as much as a complete 286 system
with VGA would have, but I don't want to have to have two separate computers
and keyboards and monitors taking up space.  I appreciate being able to sit
at one computer and multitask a DOS session with several Amiga programs - it's
far more convenient than a separate PC would be.

So, I want to sell my setup and get an A4000.  I'd prefer to sell the 2286 as
well, so I get a little bit more money.  So, I'll need a software-only PC
emulator for the A4000, which can run most PC software, which emulates at least
a 286 (rather than an XT) at a reasonable speed while multitasking within
AmigaOS.  It would be nice if it could use AGA to emulate a VGA display, too.

Does such a thing exist?  If so, I'll buy one.  If not, will AGA support be
added to any current, software-only, products?  I hope so!

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


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 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast)
From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Word Processors for Amiga & IBM.
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:24:59 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438


 L> You obviously never need to generate documents with:
 L>    *  Footnotes
 L>    *  Tables
 L>    *  Table of Contents/Figures/Tables
 L>    *  Indices

All things that Excellence! does very very very very well.  And that since
2.0!

Maybe Amiga WP are not all that bad!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:23:17 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

> The fact is that software piracy is no different from other forms of theft
> and it is the opinion of moral and decent people that it is wrong.

But is is very different from other forms of theft!
Is someone managed to steal your car without you noticing they did it 
and that you still would be able to use it whenever you wanted then it 
would be the same.

I guess something more like it would be if someone made false money 
which clearly stated that they were false and then gave them away for 
free.

Piracy is in most cases theft where nothing is stolen.


---
"Piracy is theft." / FAST
"Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:44:56 -0500 
From: "Chad O. Yoshikawa" <cy0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Air time

To anyone interested:
The amiga was shown on TV about 1 week ago.  The program
covered computer use in schools.  Since one high school had a lack
of classes dealing with computers, the local TV ? station executive
let the students learn on Amigas, and her co-workers tutored the
students.  The students project was to create an animation, and the
final product ran on Nick.  (cable).  The amiga was easily
visible, and some phrases that I remember from the students
were 'on Deluxepaint...' , ran into problems mainy from
'Software failure(GURU)'

Chad
From: djkordsm@jalapeno.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:53:03 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
Keywords: 

	TOP 10 Most Wanted in Amiga Software Applications 11//16/92  
	-------------------------------------------------

I've been compiling a list of e-mail responses and things I've seen on 
the net.  Here goes, in no real particular order of rank( at least 
not until I get some more response )  :


 1)  Two general precursors to all developments:
        o strict compliance with the 2.0 style guide
        o consideration for RTG compatibility

 2)  a word processing package w/support for structured graphics

 3)  a decent word processor with the ability to write FORMULAS
     like e.g. WP 5.1
 
 4)  The Amiga could do with an equation editor and/or a graphical interface to
     AmigaTeX.
 
 5) o an application framework environment (Visual BASIC, Toolbook)-*note*
    TrueBasic, from the origonal creators of basic, is currently available
    for the Amiga for $15 w/full library and AmigaDos support-see AmazingAmiga
 
 6)  a word processor that can at LEAST read MS-Word/WP 5.1/AmiPro files
     ( AmiPro for AmigaDos)   
    
 
 7) A word processor which can generate documents with:
   *  Footnotes
   *  Tables
   *  Table of Contents/Figures/Tables
   *  Indices
 
 8) AGA compliant software!!!!
 
 9) Amiga Word Perfect 5.1 

10) C++ for the Amiga (** is now available.  Look under amiga.applications **)


Please respond to me by email, or POST so I can keep this list updated!!! 

-dk
From: spiercy@cup.portal.com (Scott Kelly Piercy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:24:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'll say this much more on the piracy issue.....
......
I've tried on quite a few occasions to notify developers when there
software was being pirated (just wrotee-mail a few days ago to
one of the C= engineers). For the most part I've been met with apathy
& disinterest. I've contacted ASDG, Commodore, Blackbelt Systems, and
various shareware authors (on finding registered version of their
software out on BBS's), and have NEVER gotten any kind of acknowledge-
ment that they gave a damn...
....
(my two cents, but I'm gonna still do what I can)
(stepping off of soapbox)
Scott Piercy (spiercy@cup.portal.com)
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodore, here's a clue
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:11:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>>UGH.. Let the 3000 die.  It was a good computer in it's time, but now it iis
>>old, dated, and most importantly EXPENSIVE technology.  The 4000 is more
>>refined, cheaper to produce, cheaper to sell, and has newer technology.

>	With all this talk of the A4000 being cheap, why isn't it cheaper
>    to BUY?  I know, I know, I said it again.  I just couldn't resist, A4000
>    being associated with the word cheap was just to much for me. :) 

>							Greg Greene
>                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


Yeah, I agree!  Finally, Amiga is on par with IBMs!!! (clones have been
_cheap_ for a quite a while now! ;)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

PS: the A4000 is actually very well built.  If I have the money, I would
    get one!! :)
From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:14:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov13.071407.6609@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt Crowd) writes:
>In article <10667547.339.721630444@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.162154.6253@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>
>>In Australia, the difference is about A$100.  Perhaps the IBM removable 
>>drive is some cheapo-no-name-brand-with-30-second-warranty and the Amiga 
>>version is by Maxtor or Quantum or Sysquest? 
>
>SyQuests are crap, I know of three people who've had at least 3 drive
>replacements in just a couple of years....
>
>Case 1. SyQuest turns into "Power Sander" and screws platter and head.
>
>Case 2. SyQuest turns into "Hunger Mode" and chmomps the platter with
>        the head.
>
>Case 3. SyQuest decides "Holiday in Bali" and just refuses to operate
>	again.

[.sig deleted]

Which mechanism?  The old SQ400 mechanisms were crud.  You could shove
a cartridge in upside-down, blasting the whole shebang sky high.  The
newer SQ555 and the SQ5110 are very good.  I have had no
trouble when I borrowed one for a project, but after I returned it,
but it died when the user forgot about it and left it on for 6 months
without a break.

I would avoid SyQuests, but sometimes you might need them
for transporting large amounts of data.

I heard that that the Tamarak drives are pretty good.  Holographic
storage, etc, and they are being developed about four miles
from my house.  I do not know how much they store, but
you can fit a gig of data onto a business card.  Anyone has
any news on this or clarifications, because I do not have
all the facts on this drive, and their office is out of my
way when I am going home. :-)

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From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 08:12:40 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Nov4.164552.26917@ida.liu.se><1992Nov4.202447.10362@ra.msstate.edu>
  <36732@cbmvax.commodore.com> <ree+r*Dj1@caleb.UUCP>

jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
[bash at Dave Haynie's political opinion omitted to conserve bandwidth]
>If Slick Willie is so smart, why didn't he graduate from Oxford?  If Gore is
>smart, why does he think that automobiles are more dangerous than nuclear bo
 
>There is a lot more, but no one (including me) wants this argument here.  Pl
>stop now.
 
	Excuse me, but it's funny how you extrapolate on the very thing
you are advocating should cease.  This is not a flame, merely an
obversation.
 
	I agree with your last statement, and furthermore, all future
political tangents from the amiga newsgroups should be cross-posted and
eventually followed up to talk.politics.misc, or even alt.activism.
 
 
Regards,
 
--Louis
l-bueno@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Notebook Computers Dominate Comdex
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:29:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.060046.29546@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <By1vnx.7HM@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov20.161639.6403@tc.fluke.COM> kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) writes:
>>>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>>   The obvious questions are: when is Commodore going to develop a notebook
>>>>Amiga???  Will it be when the growth of notebook sales has slowed and some
>
>>>As usual MB doesn't get it.
>>
>
>>   Commodore would be in the notebook computer market with a notebook Amiga
>>if their engineers could develop one.
>	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         
>Marc, the quality of your posts is degenerating.  I remember a time when
>some of what you said made sense.  You posted this information in, at times,
>the wrong manner.  
>
>But this is rediculous.  "if their engineers could develop one" is simply
>stupid.  Their engineers could ceartinly put a battery pack on a A600.

   That is the stupidest statement I have heard for a LONG time.  Putting a 
battery pack on an A600 would hardly give you a "notebook Amiga".  It would
give you a "barely luggable Amiga", as the battery required to power something
as wasteful of power as a desktop computer would be similar in size and weight
to a 12V car battery.  It also would not give you a low-power LCD display.

   You do not realize the amount of engineering that would be involved in
making a true notebook Amiga.  Suffice it to say, designing a notebook Amiga
would make the design of the A4000 look like child's play.  It would require
the complete re-engineering of the Amiga into 3.3V CMOS.  Not just the custom
chips would have to be redesigned into this technology, but all of the other
chips as well.  It would also require a higher degree of integration that
anything Commodore's engineers have done with the Amiga so far.

   Perhaps you just do not realize what a notebook computer is.  Most notebook
computers weigh less than four pounds, including the LCD display, battery
pack, and everything.  By comparison, the A600 alone system unit alone probably
weights far more than four pounds.  Add a battery pack and LCD display and you
are talking about 15-20 pounds.  The latest notebook computers also have a
VERY long battery life, thanks to the 3.3V CMOS technology I mentioned.  An
A600 with a battery pack light enough to be luggable would be lucky to last
one hour.

   Please do not stick your foot so far into your moth next time.  It must be
embarassing for you.

>________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
>  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
>	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
>

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re:  Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:19:20 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <root.02pd@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>Just a bit of trivia:
>
>I saw a list the other day that shows what each state has allocated in it's
>budget for HIV/AIDS care.
>
>Iowa, Idaho, Montana, and North Dakota allocated $0.

Maybe they don't have a significant problem?

They are all fairly rural states, probably fairly conservative and
possibly make more INTELLIGENT decisions about what to do with their
private parts.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:50:50 GMT

To be honest, I don't really know what the point is of piracy debates.  Yes, I agree that piracy is wrong and it should be stopped, but there is no possible way of actually stopping (unless all software only costs 50cents).

Are we going to have a "Return of the Piracy Debate to end all Piracy Debates"?
Or maybe "The Piracy Debate to end all Piracy Part III"?

The point I'm making is that while piracy is theft, you can't stop it, so why waste your fingers on typing piracy debates all the time?

This is not supposed to be flame.  It's just really an opinion (which means other people will have other opinions).



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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Ami
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:37:51 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <m4HcuB3w165w@bugend.edvina.se> by ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans):

> It would be good if a disabled hunter would be able to get a 
> semi-automatic but that *anyone* who enters a shop will be able to buy 

    Hell, they let disabled people hunt in Sweden?!? How disabled?
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Falcon has a 16 bit bus
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:43:47 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green) writes:

>Hold it. 16 Bit Data but & 24 Bit Address bus are 68000 features, not 68030
>features. They are both 32 Bit wide on the 68030. Further:

>  The  Mac LCII has a 68030 while the Classic has a 68000.

>  This demonstrates a basic rule of this medium (Usenet) :
>     BELIEVE NOTHING YOU READ.

Wait... hold it.  I hope you are being sarcastic.  Mac LC and LC-II indeed
have a 16bit bus.  They are essentially a 16 bit computer with a 32bit CPU...
sort of like having a 386SX...

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:30:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


OK, I just cought a little of this thread of C= using an Alpha chip.

Is this true, or just murmurings or BS like Win NT?

If this is true, there will be one more Amiga app developer :-).

PS:  One of the main lines that I hear is that C= has no future.  What
is the future of the Amiga line?


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