HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Laura = Maddy
Keywords: Doesn't She Look Almost Exactly Like Laura Palmer?
Date: 5 Apr 92 08:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12350@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes...
>In article <1992Apr4.200204.20963@acsu.buffalo.edu> Scott J Gorcey writes:
> 
>>>Why is that you think *you* can imagine that Laura switched places with
>>>Maddy, and that super-sharp minds like Cooper and Albert couldn't?
> 
>>       Simply.  Albert never knew Maddy.  Never met her.  Not once.
>>       Cooper didn't know her either.
> 
>>       You can't come up with X+Y=Z when all you have is X and
>>       possibly Z.
> 
>Yes, Coop and Albert _did_ meet Maddy... after she was dead.

     Okay, granted, but it must have been one hell of a first
     impression.

>Also, Truman
>filled Coop in on Donna, James, _and Maddy's_ little stunt at the Easter
>Park gazebo with Dr. Jacoby in the second-season premiere,

     The actual account by Truman to Cooper was about Donna and James'
     little stunt at Easter Park - no mention of Maddy.  What Truman
     said was: "Jacoby said he got a phone call from Laura Palmer."
     Nothing more was said about it.  Cooper later confronts James
     about it, saying, "James, what kind of dangerous game are you
     playing?"  That's it.  No mention of Maddy whatsoever.

>and later
>about Donna and Maddy trying to steal the diary in #2006.  All these
>should have been enough to alert Coop to the fact that Laura had a
>lookalike roaming around town... and after Maddy died too, they would
>have checked such things.

     When Donna filled Truman in about the diary, no mention of James
     or Maddy was made.  When, in the next episode Gordon Cole is 
     getting set to Bend, Oregon (yah!), Cooper says to Hawk: "Donna
     Hayward spoke of Harold Smith having a secret diary of Laura's..."
     Nothing of Maddy there either.

     I will say that Truman seemed to know who Maddy ^was^ when he
     found her dead.  But no mention was ever made of Truman, Cooper,
     Albert or anyone connected with the official investigation
     knowing Maddy or even knowing who she looked like.

     So, they wouldn't have even ^realized^ a lookalike was roaming
     around town.  I do agree that something about it should have
     been mentioned after Maddy died, but let's remember how quickly
     and inadequately, under ABC order, the whole storyline was
     wrapped up after that, with TONS of loose ends still floating
     around.

>At the very least, the autopsy notes would have included things
>like the victims' real hair color.  Or am I wrong?

     Sure, I guess.  They would also have included her neck size
     and shoe size, but these things weren't mentioned either.

     Scott Gorcey.
From: sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Characters in Wild at Heart
Date: 15 Apr 1992 19:07:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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I was told that the "Wizard of Oz" symbolisms, allusions, went
further and that certain characters in WAH could be identified
to those in WOO. Has anyone else heard this? Besides Lula's
mother being the Wicked Witch, Lula being Dorthy. The character
that Jake Nance played brought up an imaginary dog, which he said
maybe called Toto. Then there was Laura [damn forgot the actress'
name] showing up as Gilda the Good. Now what of the other 
characters can they be linked to those in WOO? The Harry Dean
Stanton character = the Cowardly Lion??? The Crispin Glover
character, Cousin ??? = The Scarecrow, needing a brain?--a stretch.

I noticed that during each of the torrid sex scenes that each
was filmed under a different color filter--furthering the
rainbow thingy. Besides the most basic and obvious were there
any other connections??

Sally-
-- 
A Book of Verses underneath the Bough,   ||  Sally A. Wilson
A Jug of Wine, A Loaf of Bread--& Thou   ||  Potato "Salad" Peel
  Beside me singing in the Wilderness--  ||  sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Oh, Wilderness were Paradise enow! (The Rubaiyrat of Omar Khayyam)
From: palmerd@washington.cs.unc.edu (Daniel Palmer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Twin Peaks popping up in the strangest places
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:30:38 GMT

From Sesame Street to.... Weird Al Yankovic's new album "Off the Deep End".

Al has a parody of the song "U Can't Touch This" by Hammer, called "I Can't
Watch This".  In it, he takes jabs at several shows including TP:

Can't stand Twin Peaks
Let's lynch those donut-eating freaks
      ^^^^^

cute, Al, real cute.

Anyway, just thought I should pass this along.

-Dan

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Before firing off her mouth again, she loaded it with another cigarette.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu (Scooter McLune)
Subject: Re: Characters in Wild at Heart
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:20:19 GMT

drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:

>I forgot to mention that the version of 'Wild at Heart' that I rented had
>the sex scenes edited out.  There isn't much to the movie I guess without
>them.  
>The actress in 'Basic Instinct' is Sharon Stone and I still think she
>does an awesome job of playing a 'slut/vixen'.

>Characters that I don't understand in 'Wild at Heart'-Please Explain:
>         -Mr. Catepillar
>         -The Voodoo Lady
>         -Audrey (at the car wreck)
>         -Black Pete Martell
>         -The Purpose of Isabella Rosellinis character
>                       
>As one of my friends recently said, and I quote: "I rented Wild at Heart
>twice just to be sure it wasn't as stupid as I thought it was the first
>time - I was wrong."  -  person at the IU Law School who wishes to be
>unnnamed.

Mr. Catepillar--By this do you mean Mr. Reindeer, the character that 
lived with all the topless women ("phone's ringing...")? I'm not sure
if it is, but if that is who you are asking about, he was there to show
the connection that still exists with Marcello Santos (sp?--I haven't
read the book) and Lula's "mumma." As well as the hassles he brings on 
Lula and Sailor.
The Voodoo Lady--She represented nothing more than the killing of Johnny
Faragut (again sp?). Anybody who enjoys killing must be victims of some
fixation with death, and Lynch of course, loves anything to do with sex.
Audrey--"Have you been noticing the buildup of traffic lately?"-Lula in
the motel before Powermad. There are more than one reference to car
crashes in the movie. Plus, it does foreshadow darn well the troubles
Lula and Sailor face in Big Tuna.
Pete Martell--There are many bizarre denizens of Big Tuna, ("One thing
about surviving in Big Tuna, you've got to have an active sense of
humor.") Bosey Spool is one of them. The character itself mentions
Toto, so he has some significance, but why Lynch chose the actor
seems evident, since Nance is in every movie (or show) but Elephant
Man.
Isabella--While Mr. Reindeer shows the actual link--save stories and
memories--between Marrietta and Santos, and the partnership, Isabella,
also connected with all of them, through the Voodoo Lady (Laura's mo-
ther), shows the connection that once existed between all of them and
Sailor, who had the good fortune to leave, and who now is the cause of 
most of their immediate troubles.
I hope that cleared a little bit up for you. None of the characters are
specifically useless, although some of them are a bit ill-placed or out
of place. I disagree about the sex scenes. There is more to the movie
than just sex. Many sinister people and places emerge from the telling
of a simple story of two lovers.
 
           Jeremy Mullen (posting through a very gracious friend)
           Usual disclaimers apply...
               "My dog barks some..."
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Bald Hamsters
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:17:07 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <DPw9iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com>, jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
>  
>  
> There's little things in each of these tubes.
>  
> What do these little things look like?
>  
> Hamsters.
>  
> You mean, they're animate?
>  
> Bald hamsters, just kind of lying there with wires and stuff
> attached to it.  Looks like hamsters.
>  
> Do you stand to watch this, or does he have you sit down?
>  
> He just waalks me in the middle, tells me to look around, don't
> touch anything.
>  
> Are all these hamster things the same size?
>  
> Yeah, about.  But they don't look like hamsters.  They've got little
> black eyes, like curled up, floating in there.
>  
> Now you're saying you're looking at little black eyes.
>  
> Mm-hmmm
>  
> Are you looking at babies?
>  
> It looks like little ones.
>  
> Fetuses?
>  
> Yeah, just floating in these things.  The light shines up on them
> from underneath.
>  
You're heartless to make fun. What if it happened to you? :-)> 
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Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:42:10 -0400 
From: Joshua Paul Smith <jsbt+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: An Observation....
Distribution: usa

I saw the movie twice, when it was still in the movie theaters. i've
noticed a lot of talk about why people did or didn't like this movie.
True this movie has a lot in common with WOO, but to go so far as to peg
every actor with a specfic role that is mirrored in WOO is absurd. I
think the reason I enjoyed the movie so much because it reflects a
passion many of us feel deep inside but are too scared to show because
it's awkward or different. My favorite scene in the movie is when they
were driving down some dusty road and suddenly stop ( I think because
Lula is sick of all the shit on the radio) pull over get out of the car
and just start hugging in the sunset. i guess you could say that this 
scene for me was the apex of passion in the movie, call me a romantic. 
This movie is a kind of cross between Frost's The Road Not Taken and
WOO.  This movie deals with the consequences of taken an "unpaved road"
if you will, diverging from the safe and narrow. At the same time Lula
and Sailer are searching  for (or have) what everyone of us eventually
wants to obtain, true love, what ever the hell that is.  The kind of
dangerous love that they share serves to heighten th passion they have
for one another. Sure we all long for the ideal "Prince and Princess"
combo/option, well most of us. Sometimes this though is not enough to
stimulate a satisfying relationship. Real everyday life becomes  pretty
predictable and mundain and the passion can burn out..     ENOUGH!
I see that the Voodoo lady serves this purpose in an extremist sense.
The only way she can get off (if I remember correctly)  is to have
someone die in front of her. I guess her passion is on a higher plateau,
she is just to far "advanced" to be satisfied with the regular "one on
one" option.  What ever gets your goat i guess.  A lot in the movie
though is probably just for pure shock value.  Audry at the car wreck
represents to me, well nothing more than a really bad car wreck. Well if
i had to delve deeper I would have to say that she represents the
"beautiful and the restless" the next generarion of Lula and Sailor. 
Also she serves as an omen if you will to Lula and Sailor. The blood
pouring out of her mouth, which matches her red lipstick, represents to
me how men  insist on having their women ware red  by painting and
adorning themselves  for a men's pleasure. The blood represents the
affect it can have on a woman's ego or identity. . The blood is symbolic
of  death and how red is a very sexual color, by having them juxtaposed
together shows how the two (sex&death) are so interelated , e.g. the
Voodoo lady. 

Oh, if life could only be more metaphoric then we'd have some
consolation about death, instead of this persistent knot in our side
reminding us that nothing exists... 



                                                                        
                              -Josh-
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Shaking Hands
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia 
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:27:59 GMT


In the last two episodes, what is the significance of the momentary "shaking
hands", at different times, of Cooper, Annie, Pete, and one or two others I
can't remember ? Is it a symbol or "warning" of impending evil/disaster ??

[By "shaking hands", I mean "trembling" or "quivering" hands, NOT what people
do when they are introduced to each other ... :-)]
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Leo & Drugs
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:37:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2111@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes...
>In article <1992Apr10.165319.22504@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:
>> Ben Horne is the only other character that is often seen wearing trenchcoats
>> in twin-peaks that ever had anything to do with Leo.
>> But Jean Renault is another good idea also.       
> 
>JEAN Renault?  Didn't he explain at some point that he was originally 
>off someplace completely different, doing whatever gangsterish things 
>he usually did, and came to the Twin Peaks area only after he heard
>his brother was dead, to avenge him?
>-- 

     Correct.  This whole debate over the scene is getting tiresome.
     Maybe we should put it to a vote: WHO THINKS IT WAS JAQUES RENAULT?
     Who, at this point, just doesn't care?


          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: More unanswered questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:41:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Apr8.222413.20480@acsu.buffalo.edu> Scott J Gorcey writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.172611.5425@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, David Southwood writes
>>If Jacoby was standing behind Leo during the drug sale that would mean that
>>Jacoby and Leo were working together because Leo acted like he knew that
>>someone was standing behind him.  I doubt this...

>     Yeah, couldn't be Jacoby.  Wonder what made whoeveritwas think "Jacoby??"

1) a glance at the episode.  To me it LOOKS like him.

2) An episode or two after this, Jacoby confronts Bobby about his dealings
(including the drug dealings) with Laura.  This implies that he's been
doing some checking up.

3) Jacoby was already following Leo, as he later said in #2001.

4) Jacques & Bernie didn't come into the plot until an episode or two
later in the series.

Still, it's a good point that Leo didn't seem too concerned about who
was behind him.  I'd put that down to Leo's arrogance and natural stupidity.
But still, conspiracy theories are always welcome...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Vertigo)
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet/Twin Peaks vs. Wild at Heart
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:24:58 GMT

  I thought Wild at Heart was an incredible movie.  Very
powerful.  Very fun.  It may be moot now that it's been out for
a while, but I think some of you should think about how not
putting spoiler warnings affect other people.  As for the book,
it was also wonderful.  I thought it had several significant
differences that I'll talk about after about a couple dozen
blank spaces in this:
SPOILER WARNING



















  Aside from the different ending in the book, there were some
other profound differences.  For one, the Hitman (can't think
of the character at the moment) was almost non-existant in the
book.  Also Johnny Faragut's(Harry Stanton's character) character was
much more established.  The little things like his writing
Twilight Zone stories were very enlightening while adding to
the "weirdness" of the book (plus the fact that he doesn't die
anywhere in the story).  Each "chapter" was like a
separate short (short, short) story.  IMHO, it was like Gifford
was saying,"No, this isn't *my* world, it's yours.  Look around
you."  (Except not so Cheezy).  I would hate to attempt to
analyze the fact that they split up at the end simply because I
have not read the sequel of four short stories/novellas and am
anxiously awaiting its release in paperback.  It may change
things entirely...unless its a prequel (Lula, Walk with Me--The
First Seven Days of Sailor's Romance, and the Death of Lula's
Daddy).  I'll take another look at the book and post more
thoughts if people don't mind hearing 'em.


						Dave
--
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Dune
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Scott asks:

>>     Did anyone besides me ^like^ _Dune_??

Greg responds:

>Yes.  I understand that David Lynch was unhappy about the final product
>but I thought it was a better than average attempt to adapt a novel
>which was considered unadaptable.  
>I was lucky to see the extended version, which was rough but contained some 
>scenes from the book previously excluded from the film.

     Did you happen to notice the director's credit in that extended
     version?  "Alan Smithee" is the pseudonym the Director's
     Guild generally uses when the director of a movie petitions them 
     to have his name removed from the final product.  Lynch did so and
     and had the names changed - because De Laurentis editied in hours
     of rough footage that Lynch shot but didn't put in his own version.

     Anyway, do you actually like the long, drawn out, winding longer
     version or the taut, suspenseful and polished shorter?     

>I have also heard that Lynch has always been interested in doing
>Franz Kafka's "Metamorphosis."  Lynch said he probably would never  
>get to do it, however, because he would not be able to find an insect of that
>size that would work for reasonable pay.
>Frankly, I would like to see him take a crack at it.  If anybody can do it,
>he can.

     Well, I heard that he was going to shoot Metamorphosis next.
     There was an bit in Variety about it.  But, more recently,
     I heard that Lynch would instead finally shoot Ronny Rocket
     with Frost producing and no word on the star (Kyle....).

                ^She's My Cousin But Doesn't She^
                      ^Look Almost Exactly^
           ____________^Like Laura Palmer^____________
          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: igo@sparc27.hri.com (Frederick J. Igo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: ALBERT IS THE MAN !
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:47:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigbird.6244
Reply-To: igo@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <1971@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D.
Tavares) writes:
> In article <6222@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, igo@sparc27.hri.com
(Frederick J. Igo) writes:
> > I've collected quite a few TP qoutes from alt.tv.twin-peaks...
> > ...The filename after the ">" is the 
> > SparcStation sound file I use to play the particular quote.  
> 
> >              >trying_to_think.au
> >              >I_love_you,_Sheriff_Truman.au
> >              >great_moment_in_law_enforcement.au ...
> 
> So are you going to tell us WHERE we can get these files, or are you just
> teasing us?

Sorry, no tease intended!  

I believe that you can obtain just about every TP sound which has 
come through, or has been mentioned in, this newsgroup from the 
TP archive site, "audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au".  Check out 
/pub/twin-peaks/Sun-sounds and /pub/twin-peaks/MAC-sounds. 
Most, if not all, of the MAC sounds have been converted to SUN 
sounds.  Check it out!  It should help pass the time until FWWM 
arrives.

There are many many sounds in the archive.  There may even be enough
to create a dialogue of sorts.  Now that would be interesting.
To get you started, here are some of my favorites:

 wrapped_in_plastic.au
 paydirt.au
 there_s_the_one_armer_now.au
 the_owls_are_not_what_they_see.au
 where_are_those_hickory....au
 lucy.au
 maybe.au
 sperms,_gone_and_back.au
 you_want_to_play_w_fire.au
 trying_to_think.au
 I_love_you,_Sheriff_Truman.au
 I_think_it_s_going_terrifically.au
 Aces_.au
 still_seeing_this_dick.au
 out.au
 coffee.au
 pies.au
 sometimes_things_can_happen.au
 fire_walk_with_me.au
 he_is_BOB....au
 Mike...fire_walk_with_me.au
 ptt...new_shoes.au
 log_does_not_judge.au
 achivement_is_its_own_reward.au
 owls___Maj._Briggs___Cooper.au
 when_did_you_start_smoking.au
 I_m_a_whole_damn_town.au
 hot_damn,_that_pie_s_good.au
 waldo.au
 my_grandson_is_studying.au
 I_m_Audrey_Horne_and....au
 save_my_life_break_my_heart.au


--
Frederick J. Igo                                            igo@hri.com
Horizon Research, Inc.                                   (617) 466-8300

"Nothing beats the taste sensation when maple syrup collides with ham."
  -- Dale Cooper, FBI Special Agent
From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: UK TP and did leland move?
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:29:43 GMT
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd

In article <1992Apr16.113021.20548@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:

>>But there wre other changes.  No commericals, for one.  So no
>>"have a doughnut.  Twin Peaks will be right back" or whatever
>>it was Lucy said.  And no "last week on Twin Peaks" (or was
>>it next week)?

>	No doughnut stuff. You're talking shit on the 'previously on
>Twin Peaks though'.

This is not the language we want to hear on this group.

Give all info you have or be silent. Thank you.

--
   (~ ~ ~ Kimmo Ketolainen <Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~_~ ~)
  (  Phone: +358 21 378227 Mail: Yo-kyla 84 A 10, SF-20540 Turku   _ //  )
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(___ Be excellent to each other _______________________________________)
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Dune
Date: 14 Apr 1992 17:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz's message of 14 Apr 92 19:13:39 +1200


In article <1992Apr14.191339.7420@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
   In article <1992Apr14.053023.15381@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
   > 
   >      Did anyone besides me ^like^ _Dune_?? 
   > 
    No.

Au contraire, mon petit chou, I liked _Dune_ and I know at least two
other people who liked it, as well.

-30-
Bob

``I am not here.  I am not saying this.''