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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:07:57 EST
Reply-To:     Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@SUVM.BITNET>
From:         Joe Bouman <A400@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Rprinter under windows 3.1

Maybe I should have read a little more closely.

I have a few workstations on my ethernet network running rprinter
(version 1.22r), and have just recently installed network based windows
version 3.1 on some of these workstations.  When users try to print
across the network to printers supported by rprinter, the print job
usually prints, but the workstation running rprinter completely locks
up.  Power off is required to restart.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Joe Bouman
a400@ferris.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:06:22 EST
Reply-To:     Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@SUVM.BITNET>
From:         nmehanian@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Adaptec controller again ??

hi,
   it' might be the case when the driver loaded for the hard disk is not
the one which matches the hard disk 100%. I would call the hard disk
 manufactureand ask about possible new driver or parity information.
in any case, be hatslakha..
nadir
nmehanian@dhvx20.csudh.edu
From: kla!M_Morris%pid.csd@SUN.COM (Mike Morris)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Wiring 'to code' (was 'why network')
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:47:10 GMT
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Organization: KLA Instruments Corporation
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=> >They wanted the wiring closets reduced to 8'x8' (or
=> >removed entirely) and the space used to enlarge their offices.  It was
=> >a dirty fight to keep the closets to code when some VP wants the space
=> >for his personal space.
=> >
=>   As a LAST resort my solution is:
=>
=> "I will not do the work, but I will give you the cables parts, etc
=> if and only if you give me a signed memo that I have informed you
=> of the code and that the present plans violate the code.  By the way
=> did you know that doing this could get you in jail"

I endorse this general approach -- tactfully implemented.

I use the same policy with software. Example: my boss told me to begin
doing all project schedules on MicroSoft Project for Windows. I said OK
and came back an hour later with a Requisition for the $500 software
package; he said "no no no - get a copy from Dave".

I politely told him that this was stealing, which was against my
personal ethics, and that it was also illegal. But I also said if
you're willing to take responsibility, and you understand what you're
telling me to do, then I'll do it. To have flatly refused seems like
it's bordering on insubordination... and also invites a power struggle.

He signed and has never given me any grief about software purchases
since.

(Sorry for the digression...shades of Ollie North, huh?)



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From: Norbert.Zacharias@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Norbert Zacharias)
Subject: Re: Supervisor Password
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:55:15 GMT

anonymous@postman.hsn.no writes:

>Could you pleace supply me with tose two NLMs, or at least the adress to an 
>FTP-site, where I can get them???????? PLEASE!!!!!

>/norway
I'm interested too
Norbert
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:56:48 -0500
Reply-To:     steved@united.uucp
From:         steved@UNITED.UUCP
Subject:      Server problem with > 16 MB of memory

    A client has an ISA server with 32 MB of memory, and of course,
we're having a problem with it.  It has an Adaptec 1542 in it, with
the ABOVE16=Y parameter specified.  While it's not the most current
driver, it does support the ABOVE16=Y parameter; if we load it
without that parameter, it prints the "If your machine has more than
16 MB of RAM, you should load AHA1540 with the ABOVE16=Y parameter"
message.

   It also has an SMC Elite series Ethernet card, with a fairly recent
driver (I'm trying to get someone there to find the exact driver version).
It's a shared memory card, which (theoretically at least) should not
cause problems in a system with > 16 MB.

   Those are the only two cards that require NetWare drivers; the
other cards are a VGA card and an I/O card (2 serial, parallel, game).

   If we bring the server up and then type the REGISTER MEMORY command,
it successfully adds the other 16 MB to the cache pool.  We only did
this once, with no users on it, and as soon as we tried to DOWN the
server, it ABENDed.  We did not try this again, but I'd bet it's a
reproducible problem.

   Alternatively, if we add the REGISTER MEMORY command to the AUTOEXEC.NCF
immediately after we set the fileserver's name and internal IPX number,
NetWare will report the memory as being added, but it will ABEND as soon
as it tries to load the SMC driver.  We did this a couple of times with
exactly the same results.

   As far as I know, the 1542 is the only bus-master or DMA device
installed, and its driver is configured correctly for a > 16 MB machine.
We will be upgrading them to the latest Adaptec driver, but I doubt
that's the problem.  We will also play with the machine's setup screen
to ensure that there aren't any ROM images up there or anything, and
we'll try registering less than the full 16 MB of extra memory.  What
else should we try?  Is it a coincidence that the machine ABENDs while
loading the SMC driver?

-Steve
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From: rob@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (Rob Poole)
Subject: Limiting broadcasts from PSERVER and INTEL Lan Ports ?
Keywords: broadcasts,pserver,intel
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:51:55 GMT


Is there a way to slow down the number of advertises that PSERVER or INTEL 
LAN PORTS broadcast ?

I know the default for PSERVER is 1 every 60 seconds but I don't know how to 
change it.

On a large WAN these broadcasts are causing a fair amount of traffic.


	
                   

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                   *            Rob Poole            *
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:01:10 EST
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From:         Duane Kerstetter <u2d65@LFKW2.BGM.LINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Filer problem
              92 12:18 pm

>
> We've got around 20 servers on our system and only a few of them
> do we have the following problem.  When invoking FILER it reports
>
> The system message library file "SYS$MSG.DAT" could not be
> opened.
> Program Initialization Failure - Execution Terminated.
>

The only time I've seen this is when it is fired up on a local drive.
It always works from a network drive.




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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:29:52 EDT
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From:         AHUSAIN@ISNOV.AB.UMD.EDU
Subject:      btrieve, brequest

Hello all,

What are the latest versions of the btrieve and brequest NLM's?
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Subject: Re: dougmenu #include
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:08:21 GMT
Reply-To: Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@SUVM.BITNET>
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Put the #include at the left margin (don't indent it!) and remove all
the spaces around the = signs.  The include command is extremely picky
about syntax.  The "bad command or filename" message is a tipoff that DM
is passing the whole #include line to DOS for execution, not performing
the include you want.

--
Joi Ellis                      msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Student Residential Programs   Western Illinois University
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:33:29 -0600
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From:         Charles Finney <cfinney@UMAXC.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TCPIP over a Token-Ring network ???????

Novell's LAN Workplace for DOS uses the ODI drivers for TCP/IP.  The appropriate
frame type is token-ring_snap in the Link Driver section.  Other vendors also
provide TCP/IP products which work with token ring.  However, not all
co-exist with IPX.  Try before you buy.

     Charles E. Finney                    charles-finney@uiowa.edu
     Network Services Group               (319) 335-5399
     University of Iowa

           "Safety!  Where is that to be found?  I am obliged to fight
            for my own life everyday."       Ras Michael
From: DAVID@WMHMIS1.WMH.IUPUI.EDU (David A. Eddy)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Problem with Pserver when using Charon 3.4
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: DAVID@WMHMIS1.WMH.IUPUI.EDU
Organization: Wishard Memorial Hospital
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Help!

I am having a problem with may MAILQUEUE on my master server for
Pegasus.  Each time I receive a mail message through the Charon
gateway it terminites each received mail message with -

Warn: WMHMIS1/MAILQUEUE Error 0xd6 During Finish Servicing Job

I started to investigate and found the the MAILQUEUE was holding all
received mail messages in an active state.  I have attempted to
recreate the Charon Print Server and I have worked through the
Charon 3.4 Gateway and I can not find any thing wrong.  We even
though that maybe something got screwed up with the server so we
downed & restarted the server.  None of this has helped.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  Please!


David A. Eddy
Director of Management Information Systems
Wishard Memorial Hospital
Indianapolis, Indiana
Phone: 317-630-6309
E-mail: DAVID@WMHMIS1.WMH.IUPUI.EDU
From: Volker.Kleinhans@IPK.FHG.DE (Volker Kleinhans)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: PAUDIT2
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:56:45 GMT
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> >>       Try PAUDIT2. I have v1.10 (Jan 1991). It is written by Wolfgang
> >> Schreiber @ Novell and is highly useful.
> AO>
> >> Version 1.10 allows you to specify login addresses, dates, users,
> intrude
> AO> r
> >> lockout addresses & much more - but not at the same time. Each option
> can
> >> only be used seperately which is unfortunate. It would not surprise me
> if
> >> this had been fixed now.
> AO>
> >> The version I have I would guess is quite old and has been updated
> since.
> >> Does anyone else know what the current version is & where to get it
> from.
> AO>
> AO> If anyone found out the answer to this one, could they post it to the
> AO> list (or to me if I missed it from before). This sounds very useful.
> AO>
> ***** NOTES from Dave Kearns (DKEARNS @ TCC) at 11/06/92 6:05 PM
>
> Latest version (this week) is 1.34. It's available on Compuserve, but I
> don't know about FTP sites. Wolfgang's MHS email address is
> WSCHREIB@NOVELL, so wschreib@novell.com should reach him. Lots of new
> goodies in this version....
>
> -dave

Have a look to ftp.ipk.fhg.de.

Their you can find in /pub/comp/msdos/novell the latest version of
PAUDIT2 and a lot of other fine utilities.

Volker


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From: tmunro@superior.carleton.ca (Tim Munro)
Subject: Re: windows 3.1 and screen saver
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:24:37 GMT

In <9211111022.AA19940@csa> Eyal Shidlovsky <eyals@CS.TECHNION.AC.IL> writes:

>Hi,
>        We are running windows 3.1 and a screen saver,
>        when all the work done by the mouse,
>        the screen saver shut off the display.

>        What is the solution?

		Disable the Screen saver before you invoke Windows.
--
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Voice:    (613) 788-2600 x3722 
Fax:      (613) 788-4448

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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:19:36 -0500
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From:         "Yao-Chung Lee (Raymond)" <ylee@BRONZE.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Netware Portable (On unix machines)
Summary: Advantages, Disadvantages .. Please email

Greetings:

Our organization is moving to a client-server architecture using Oracle DBMS
on Sun Sparc 10s.  There will be numerous sites within the USA and Canada
connected by T1s on a WAN.

We were thinking of using Netware Portable running on the Sun Sparcstations
to support the organization application needs.  Does anyone have experience
with Portable Netware to enlighten me on the advantages of Portable Netware
over a dedicated PC Server or its disadvantage.  The only thing that I could
think of is it simplifies the routing of packets (only TCP/IP).

I would appreciate if you can email me your responses and I would sum it
to the net if there is sufficient interest.  Thank you for your kind
assistance.

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Network Manager                 Internet: ylee@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: ppinta@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca (Pasi Pinta)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: REMOTE CONTROL FOR NOVELL
Keywords: remote novell
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:44:49 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University


	Does anybody know of a good package for remotely using PCs on a 
novell lan.  I know that PC anywhere (or some other similar packages) is 
capable of this.  If anybody has a package like this I'd like to hear your 
comments/recommendations/tech/flames about it.  Please mail me 
directly.  I will be glad to re-post any contributions.  Basically I'm 
looking for a package (reasonably priced or better yet free) that I could 
use to remotely administer PCs and/or Macs on our cross-campus network.


Thanx!

Pasi Pinta			*No niin, siina meni hyvat retkeily housut*
Faculty Computer Advisor
Lakehead University
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
ppinta@cs-acad-lan.lakeheadu.ca
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:09:03 -0800
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From:         Allen Lung <lung@EOS.ARB.CA.GOV>
Subject:      LANalyzer for NetWare

I was gathering Names after a capture when my system locked up.  After
that when I click on the LANalyzer Icon I receive the lzfn error "Wrong
version of Dynamic Link Library"  Has anybody had anything similar to this
happen or any Ideas as to what may have caused this?
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:28:16 EST
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From:         Anne Liang <GOVE036@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Subject:      Windows 3.0 + Netware 3.11

Hi, Novellers

We are running Netware 3.11 and Windows 3.0 for chinese. Well, it runs
OK on other machine except one with NE2000 NIC and ET3000 color monitor
adapter. Here is the scenario:( After running IPX and NET5)
 1. While not logged in,
    (1) run WIN/R (real mode), it's OK.
    (2) run WIN/S (standard mode), when exit, it shows
       "Cannot run Windows in standard mode, check to ensure you are not
        running other protected-mode software, or run in real mode."
        I don't have to reboot the machine.
    (3) run WIN/3 (Enhanced mode), when exit, it shows
        "Network Error on Server DGBAS01: Error Sending on Network.
         Abort, Retry?"
         After answering "A"(Abort), there is another message:
         "You are not connected to any file servers. The shell will try
          to connect to a file server whenever the current default drive
          is changed to an invalid drive."
         Again I don't have to reboot the machine.
 2. While logged in, I did not try (1) and (2) mentioned above. With (3)
    after answering "A"(Abort) the message is simply "***Program Aborted***"
    When I try to run WIN again, it shows "Shell Error: No filer server
    attachments.", but it still run Windows in Enhanced mode.

My configuration information is provided below, please give advices.
Config.sys:   device=c:\win\himem.sys
              device=c:\win\emm386.exe ram=e000-efff noems
              ( I tried X=mmmm-nnnn but failed)
              device=c:\win\smartdrv.exe /double_buffer
              dos=high,umb
              files=50
              buffers=20
              stacks=9,256

Autoexec.bat: @echo off
              prompt $p$g
              set cc=et16
              set shell=c:\command.com
              set temp=c:\win\temp
              lh c:\mouse\mouse
              lh c:\dos50\doskey
              lh c:\net\ipx
              lh c:\net\net5
              f:
              login
Hardware:  ROM BIOS: Phoenix dated 01/15/88
           80386 AT machine, 80837 Math coprocessor, 8MB RAM, VGA adapter
           100 MB HD, Adaptec SCSI controller, NE2000   , I/O address 300h
           , IRQ 3, Vedio Address A000h

If you need more information, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Anne Liang
From: JRD@USU.BITNET (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: Volume not mounted because of mirrored copies mismatches
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:48:05 GMT
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>Hi, Novellers
>
>Thanks to John Villalovos and Tim, who responded my volume mounting
>question very quickly.
>
>I had FTPed 311pt9.zip at netlab2.usu.edu and load the newest VREPAIR.
>Well, it worked when I first dismount VOL1, run VREPAIR(no error)
>and mount again.  However, when I then bring down the fileserver and
>bring up again, it CAN'T be munted again. Running VREPAIR 2 more times
>with 0-3 errors(unrecognizable directory entry), it's ok again.
>
>Should I be worried about that? Does it indicate the hard disk is going
>down? What should I do? Or is it just normal enough(by the minor errors
>detected)? Please give advices.
>
>Anne Liang
--------
Anne,
        You did not mention if you have non-DOS name spaces loaded. Mounting
problems can result from a corrupted namespace and Vrepair needs to be run
for that namespace too.
        Otherwise, you appear to have a malfunctioning disk system: controller,
wiring, power supply, hard drives, software drivers. A physical check of
these is in order, including both cleaning contacts and reseating components.
See the console statistics for the appearance of bad disk sectors (a sign of
things going down the tubes). If the machine has control of bus speed via
SETUP then ensure it is set for an 8MHz or slower bus; higher speeds often
lead to trouble. Bus master peripherals can have difficulty on some machines
which are unable to cope with them, not to mention the 16MB boundary effect
with them.
        Vrepair may easily require several passes to give error free results.
But frequent errors mean a flakey server. I urge you to PURGE /ALL the
disk too, from the root, because there can be problems when NW starts reusing
old file space.
        Joe D.
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:20:07 -0500
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From:         Stephen I Miller <similler@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Windows for Workplace

There is a Packet Driver to NDIS shim called DISPKT.DOS that is loaded in the
CONFIG.SYS file.  You also need to make a modification to the PROTOCOL.INI
file.  Windows for Workgroups is supposed to have a file called MSIPX.COM that
is loaded on top of the NDIS driver.  I don't have Windows for Workgroups yet
so I'm just going on what I was told by our Microsoft rep.
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:02:57 EST
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From:         Brad Clements <bkc@MURKWORKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Charon 4.0 and BAD DIRECTORY HANDLE
              12 Nov 92 19:14:54 EST." <9211130250.AA26645@uu.psi.com>

To start ycharon.exe on systems without EMS, use this
arguments on the command line


        ycharon -ext -1

Brad Clements, CCP             bkc@murkworks.com               (315)265-4717
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