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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anima
              12 Sep 1992 14:04:19 EST from <egkline@BEFAC.INDSTATE.EDU>

I, too, heartily recommend anything by Rychlak.  In addition, (I have
mentioned these names before) folks like Ricoeur (sp?), Polkinghorne,
and especially Weimer offer very useful views on the meta-theoretical
aspects of what science is, isn't or might be.  A book more directly
related to psychology and therapy is Michael Mahoney's *Human Change
Processes.*  A relatively easy read, broad in scope, and very useful
for practicing clinicians especially.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Psych-iatry vs -ology?

     Once upon a time, someone mentioned the alternative of getting an MD-PhD
as a way to have be a prescribing clinical psychologist... This seems to me a
pretty logical thing, yet there weren't a lot of takers,  How come?
     There has been a lot of psyhiatrist-bashing in this discussion, and it
has been said that they simply don't want to give up their piece of the
pharmacological pie.  However, I'm curious as to our collective reaction if,
say, school psychologists, rabbis/pastors/priests, and "counselors" in
general, were to legally diagnose and treat mental illnesses by taking a
couple of courses on assessment and psychopathology (to paraphrase some
opinions, why bother with all the rest of the non-essential courses that
clinical psychologists have to take and which don't enhance their therapeutic
effectiveness...?)
       Nangel (who would have to be dragged to a pharmacology course!)
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From:         Anjali Thapar <axt3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      psychonomic society

Hi, just a quick note to see if any of the readers are planning on going
to the annual meeting of the Psychonomic Society in St. Louis Nov. 13 to
Nov. 15.  If anyone is planning on attending the meeting, write to us and
maybe we can get together.

Anjali
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From:         Betty Harris <B1H6017@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Power

Hey Tim,
I used a computer program by Boronstein & Cohen (1988)
to generate the sample size for :
- a one factor ANOVA with 3 levels,
- a medium effect size (f = .3),
- alpha = .05, and
- power = .80

The program defines effect size (f) as

     Between Groups Population Variance
f = ------------------------------------
     Within Groups Population Variance

According to this, for a medium sized effect you
will need a sample size of 108 to have an 80%
chance of detecting an effect of that size.
This should give you something to compare the
estimates that you get from that one study against.
By the way, if you can get ahold of this program it
will compute effect sizes for you.
Betty
b1h6017@TAMVENUS
b1h6017@VENUS.TAMU.EDU

                  Reference
Boronstein, M. & Cohen, J. (1988).  Statistical Power
  Analysis:  A Computer Program, Lawrence Erlbaum
  Assoc, Inc.
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You are all really helpful.  Clarification is obviously in order!
The procedures you are suggesting are accurate...but sometimes they
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Thanks anyway!  I'll wait for Matthew to return.
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From:         Julia <JCSP@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Psychonomics

Several grad students from Kansas State will be going to St. Louis for
Psychonomics.  Also, the Judgment and Decision Making group is meeting
there Sunday afternoon and Monday.  Is anyone interested in getting
together one night to "meet and greet" other grad students?  RSVP to me
directly if interested.
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Anima
              92 7:07 pm

==> He only asked for a reading list, not counselling.  Many people might be
==> interested.

	Ok.

	Jung, C.G. Collected Works Vol. 6 (Psychological Types), Vol. 7 (Two
Essays on Analytical Psychology), Vol. 9-I (The Archetypes and the
Collective Unconscious), parts of Vol. 5 (Symbols of Transformation),
particularly those dealing with the Great Mother. All Princeton, NJ:
Princeton University Press.

	Neumann, E. (1963). The great mother: An analysis of the archetype.
(R. Manheim, Trans). Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press.

	Campbell, J. (Ed.). (1971). The portable Jung. New York: Penguin.

	Singer, J. (1972). Boundries of the Soul: The practice of Jung's
psychology. New York: Doubleday.

	Hillman, J. (1985) Anima: The anatomy of a personified notion.
Dallas: Spring Publications.

	Stevens, A. (1983). Archetypes: A natural history of the self. New
York: Quill.

	Also, _anyone_ with an interest in Jung should read:

	Jung, C. (1973). Memories, Dreams, Reflections. New York: Vantage.

	And those without a strong background in psychology will do well to
start with:

	Jung, C. (1964). Man and his symbols. New York: Dell.

	Finally, for a brief introduction, try:

	Hall, C. & V. Nordby. (1973). A primer of Jungian psychology. New
York: Penguin.

	These selections are from the bookshelf in front of me (hence the
erratic presentation) and a great many others exist. They will provide a
solid start on the subject, however.

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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Psych-iatry vs -ology?
              6 Sep 1992 13:21:04 -0400 from <adamsr@NETCOM.COM>

I share some of the feelings about psychiatrists, but as I said before,
they can't do a lot of things we clinical psychs can do, and aside from
the extra cash, I wouldn't want to be a psychiatrist.
 They ARE part of the worlds tightest and most prestige and status-conscious
guild in the world -- the medical profession, and that's a chief source of
their power, not their knowledge or, aside from prescription and admission
privileges, their capability.
  Remember that psychiatrists are not allowed to do assessments. That's what
clinical psychologists do uniquely. As for therapy,
outside of the script pad, any therapist is allowed to do any therapy,
psychoanalysis, past-lives, behavior mod, etc.
  Psychiatrists don't know much about testing and they know even less about
research. My prediction is that once they lose exclusive admission privileges
then they're going to lose a lot of their punch (ANY doc can write a script;
the country is crawling with people to do that). And I think that is
inevitable. There may come a time when the medical profession would rather
have clinical psychologists on board than psychiatrists, once we can case-
manage inpatients, because we are so much more broadly focused than the
psychiatrists.
Tim
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Subject:      Re: Cat problem -- please help

Rebekah,

        I have several professional texts on treating behavior
disorders in pets.  I'd be happy to send you the chapters on
inappropriate elimination in cats by snail mail if you'd like.  Just
send me your address.
        In the meantime, I have a few suggestions, and some
questions.
        Suggestion 1:  Some cats develop an aversion to the feel of
the litter under their paws.  The fact that the cat appears to
specifically enter the house to urinate on the floor suggests that
this might be a possibility (otherwise, he'd use the great
outdoors).  Testing this possibility involves changing litters (try
that new "sand" type that clumps), or eliminating litter completely
and using shredded newspaper.

        Suggestion 2:  Some cats step into the box, and at the first
scrunch of litter under their paws, they urinate.  The only trouble
is, sometimes the business end of the cat is still outside of the
box!  Try an enclosed litterbox, or a smaller box within a larger
pan.

        Suggestion 3:  Some litter has a strong smell that cats find
aversive (what people think is great deoderant is not always so
populaar with our pets).  Again, try changing the litter.

        Now, the questions!

        Question 1:  You say that this behavior has been going on
for a year or so.  Prior to that, how was the cat's behavior?  Has
anything in your household changed in the past year?  Moved to a new
house?  Change in the amount of time the cat spends outside?  New
family member or roommate?  New pets?

        Question 2:  You say "My cat pees on the carpet and on the
linoleum next to his cat litter box."  Do you mean that he has spots
elsewhere in the house (ie, on the carpet in other rooms of the
house) where he eliminates, in addition to near or in his box?  Or
are you saying he hits whatever is near the box, which includes both
carpet and linoleum?

        Yours comparatively,
        Kathy Morgan
        Applied Animal Behavior Scientist
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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From:         Andres Consoli <6500EDU@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Yalom's Address

Steve, I agree with you that Yalom's latest book "Love's Executioner"
if that is the one you are referring to is quite an interesting
work.
Anyhow, here is his address:
Irvin D. Yalom, M.D.
Department of Psychiatry
Stanford University Medical Center
Stanford, CA 94305
His home phone number is (415) 493-7083

Andres
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From:         Don Gallogly <EUP_DG@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Cat problem -- please help

     I don't subscribe to the list but I would
appreciate suggestions to end the problem that I am
having with my 4 year old cat.  It has been going on
for over a year. Please reply to the list or to my
friend.

     My cat pees on the carpet and on the linoleum
next to his cat litter box.  I have had the carpet
cleaned twice and all odor is gone.  For the past year
I have locked him in the back room whenever I leave so
that he won't ruin the carpet. I never leave him alone
with the carpet which is a real hassle, but now my
problem is that I have to mop the floor everyday.  I
don't know what to do.

     The vet says that he has no health problems.
     I am using the same brand of litter I always did.
     The litter box is changed regularly.
     He's neutered and never sprays or marks territory.
     Occasionally he will pee in his box.

     It has been suggested that he might be angry with
me.  Maybe so, but what do I do about that.  He gets a
lot of attention.  I think that he prefers to pee on
the floor.  Sometimes he comes in from outside simply
to pee and then he goes back outside.  I don't punish
him.  I don't see how that could help.  I don't think
that he would connect punishment with his behavior, so
he wouldn't know how to respond.

     The best case scenario for my situation would to
be able to let him roam freely throughout the house
without having to watch him. That is the end result
that I would like to see. Thank you for your time.  I
am getting pretty desperate and will contemplate using
almost any tactics.

     Please reply to the list or EUP_DG@CWU.bitnet if
you have suggestions.


Rebekah Fowler
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:18:18 PDT
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Anima
              92 5:06 pm

==>
==> I'm wondering if the guy who asked this list for help has found any in this
==> rather long-winded discussion of the appropriateness and validity of Jungian
==> vs. Freudian vs. Cognitive-Behaviorist approaches.  Your conversation has
 been
==> stimulating but, I think, not particularly useful for "the person on the
==> street."  Huh?
==>

	True.

	On the other hand, this list isn't FOR the person on the street.
It's a discussion list for psychology graduate students.

	On a list like this one, I'd worry if the discussion DIDN'T become a
theoretical one versus an attempt to apply the material to a particular
situation.

	NONE of us is qualify to offer e-mail therapy - nor would it be
within the range of this list to do so if we were.

	From a purely personal perspective (since I appear to be the only
Jungian trained participant - or at least the others have had the good sense
not to admit it :-) ), if the original poster is interested in a more
extensive explanation of the anima - in a generally supportive sense but NOT
as therapy - I would be very glad to provide it via email if he chooses to
contact me directly. Such a conversation is VERY appropriate in email - but
not at all appropriate as a part of list traffic.

	Peace,

	Rick

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From:         ADLIN@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Anima

A degree (especially a medical one) does not a scientist make!
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Anima

Rick Adams offers us the following connection between Jung and science:

> 	BTW, for those who think of Jungian psychology as "unscientific," it
> might be noted that Bolen is an MD and a full Professor of clinical
> psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco. Many other
> authors of works on Jung are psychiatrists as well.
>
Sorry Rick, I'm not sure I see what you mean.  For those of you looking
for psychometrically valid alternatives to animus/anima consider the
similar constructs of sociotropy and autonomy offered to us by Beck and
Robbins in the C-B perspective and by Blatt from a more psychodynamic
perspective.  As for Mike B. in the dustbowl's point of therapeutic
efficacy as the bottom line for him, I cannot disagree.  I still
maintain that telling a client that he has need for affiliation and
social bonds (highly sociotropic) is an easier path than asking him to
get in touch with his elusive feminine side (anima).
David Fresco
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From:         "(Stephanie Fishkin)" <fishkin@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Grief references
              Fiero" at Sep 15, 92 2:36 pm

I don't have any ref's, but I think that there is a post-doc at
Univ of CA, San Francisco named Jorge Bonnano who is doing some work
on this topic.  He's at UCSF's Langley Porter Institute, I believe.
SF
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From:         Gerri Oppedisano <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Three Issues on Personality

Just a brief comment on the case of the advisor allowing his patient to
continue believing in his story that he was abducted/malested.. "The
truth will set you free" theory does seem to feel cleaner and healthier
but I think an assessment needs to be made case by case on which
delusions would be harmful to allow to persist and which wouldn't and
work from there. If the patient believed he had magical powers, then one
could imagine that this might be a dangerous myth to sustain or foster
for any length of time. However, it may well be that the only way to start
treating the patient would to assume that the patient's beliefs or memories
are true. Specifically in abuse cases though, I think that whatever memory
a patient has of the abuse, the effect of the abuse or memory is still the
same, or similar enough, that treatment for the two cases would also be the
same or similar - that is, assume that whatever abusive story is true,
examine how the patient adjusts to that or handles it, and treat that.

gerri
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Subject:      Yalom's Address

Can anyone help me with Irin Yalom's address(s) either email or snail mail?

It is rather important!   Thanks!!!!!


Steve
12Shardy@Gallua.bitnet

PS Anyone read his most recent book?  I highly reccomend it!
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: re:anima

But rich, that is exaclty my point.  No matter how scientific a construct,
it is still a construct and therefore entails a set of assumptions and
beliefs, some or all of which are not necessarily testable.
The question we must ask, I think, is about utility -- are there
constructs that better explain and/or correspond to our experience?
I for one have no discomfort whatsoever with religious metaphors, provided
they are freely chosen by an individual.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Three Issues on Personality

Rich,

A couple of comments about genetics and attachement.  First, I would
refer you to Scarr, S. & McCartney, K. (1983).  How people make their
own environments:  A theory of notype --> environment effects.
Child Development, 54, 424-435.

In it, Scarr & McCaey argue that the same "nurture" is actually
experienced in different ways by different people.  In other words,
some kids are more reactive, more irritable, more vigilant, etc.
and thus take in the same environmental stimulus as their peers
experience in different ways.  Thus, part of what makes up personality
(and intelligence) is the environmental _effect_, which is mediated
by our genes.  Interesting argument, anyway.

As for your questions about attachment, you're right -- very few
temperament theorists (i.e., behavioral genetics-types) have much
in common with most current attachment theorists.  Too bad, I think.
You might check out Fox, et al in one of the '91 issues of Child
Development (it's quarterly, so it shouldn't be hard to find) --
the present the results of a meta-analysis on attachment, specifically
in fathers, and relate that to current temperament research.

Hope that helps.

Go VOLS!!!

Kenn in College Park
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