HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:44:40 GMT

In <1992Aug30.204914.25070@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:

>In article <21431@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.191853.8496@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>>Usually?  What percentage, and from what source?  I know several
>>>people who have had abortions and what you describe wasn't the case. 

>>This question, not being a complete sentence, makes no sense.  But I
>>will try to answer the question.
>...
>>>Every day?  How many a day, and from what source?

>>Again, your question is an incomplete sentence, but I will attempt to
>>answer it anyway.
>...
>>I believe that John Iacoleti (to use your spelling ...) put the
>...

>JFH, why do you weaken your own arguments by making these pointless
>grammar and style flames? If you don't understand the question, say
>so. If you do, then answer it.

Why, he does it because he's such a flaming asshole that he can't help
it.  I'd have thought that he'd have solidly demonstrated that by now
(my feed has been messed up since last week, so I don't know what I
missed -- but I doubt if JFH had anything important to say).

>Mixing otherwise relevant information with petty sniping only makes
>you and your opinions look bad.

Check his information closely.  It tends to be, uh, somewhat
selective. 


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:56:53 GMT

In article <21419@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.203014.24123@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes:
>>Something to note: if Pro-Lifers are so worried about the sensation of pain
>>that the fetus allegedly feels, why are they (Pro-Lifers) so adamant about
>>banning orally induced abortions (RU486 and Morning After)?  If the Pro-
>>Lifers truly stood by their stance that abortion is wrong because it is
>>torturous, and the other method of abortion (oral) is not torturous, why are
>>they trying so hard to keep RU486 out of this country?
>
>The fetus still dies.  Usually the fetus is delivered, alive, into the
>toilet, a bucket, or plopped out onto the floor.  It will then flop about
>for a few minutes until it is dead.

I understand what you are saying re: the fetus still dies, however, my point
was to say that the manner in which the fetus dies was of concern to some
of the pro-lifers.  I recall seeing a post in which someone claimed that
the fetus underwent pain during a vacuum abortion.  My point was that since
the ProLifers felt this way, RU486 would help in this instance.

B
B
B
>
>I forget who it was, but someone posted a note about late term abortions
>where the child is delivered after the woman is injected with prostaglandins
>(I think that's what it was ...), and then the kid - quite alive at this
>point - is tossed into a pile of rags where it dies from suffocation.

Are they perhaps referring to saline flush abortion?  I think in that case,
during a late-term abortion, a saline bath is used to flush the fetus out.
The resulting infant can then be placed in incubation where there could
be a possibilty of survival.  From what I understand, these types of abortions
are last-ditch efforts in instances where harm to the mother is expected.
The problem is that the fetus could drown during the end of the saline bath.

>
>Every day in this country babies are being aborted and survive, only to be
>killed by the abortionist.  RU486 will increase the number of cases where
>this occurs.

I believe the proper use of RU486, which cuts off the supply of nutrients 
and oxygen to the fetus, causes a miscarriage.  Given soon enough after
conception, the result of live birth would be highly unlikely.

>-- 
>John F. Haugh II                   | "The US Government has the Midas Muffler
>Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |  touch: everything they touch turns to
>UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  shit."
>Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |                  -- Jay Maynard

David L. Leon
dleon@seas.smu.edu
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: The blame game
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:37:35 GMT

In <1992Aug30.230512.24833@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:

>In article <21432@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>> This is simply not the case.  In each of those years, tax revenues
>> dramatically increased.  If spending were set back to early Reagan
>> era levels, the current level of tax revenues would create a massive
>> surplus.
> 
>Unfortunately, the facts don't support your assertion.  Here is some
>data from the US Treasure Dept, via the World Almanac.

Are these figures in constant dollars (adjusted for inflation) or are
they in the inflated dollars of the year each figure is for?  If the
latter, you can't tell anything from these numbers.


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:21:11 GMT
Organization: Tennessee Ernie Port Authority

In article <mumble> troth@riceVM1.rice.edu (Rick Troth) writes:
|        I *do* think,  though,  that endorsing or supporting the  family-
|with-both-natural-parents-never-divorced  is a good idea.

Go on, don't stop there.  "...both-natural-parents-never-divorced-
dad-out-paying-the-rent-mom-at-home-raising-the-kids"  We all know
that's what you mean.  It's not like we haven't heard this song
before.

|        You won't get any flames from me.   It  *is*  an offshoot of
|Judaism.   Some would say,  the  "fulfillment of Judaism".    ;-)

Pay no attention to the heretics.  (-:<

|I fear state sanctioned religion every bit as much as you do.   I do see
|a  big  difference, though, in promoting  "our Judeo-Christian heritage"
|and creating a state religion.

Depends on who's doing the promoting.  If the state promotes "our
[sic] J-C heritage", this is the _exact definition_ of a
state-sponsored religion.  Why are you unable to admit this?

-- 
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       Dost thou know the magnitude of thy sin before the gods?
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:13:53 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21456@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.190955.13842@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Squirming Fred) writes:
>>>In article <21435@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>>>I am imitating the style of Fred J. McCall.  He likes to throw style
>>>>and grammar flames in for the fun of it.
>>>>The "and that isn't a complete sentence" is a direct quote from an
>>>>earlier article of his.
>>
>>Why, Joe, he 'does that' because he got caught using his normal style
>>and needed an excuse.  So he took the opportunity to take a(nother)
>>cheap shot.

>No, Fred, once again you've been caught lying.  Here is the quote from
>the article I am mocking.

No, John, once again YOU are caught lying.  You'll note that what you
claimed I said was NOT what was said.  I also note you didn't bother
to include context.

>->In article <1992Aug26.162649.4866@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Squirming Fred) writes:
>->>Then you are a dishonest man (and a lousy grammarian -- that's not
>->>even a sentence).

>I'll give you a clue - I keep a LOT of old netnews.

Why am I NOT surprised?  Geez, I wish *I* didn't have a life so I
could spend my time keeping old netnews.

>I must admit that I thought he said "complete" sentence.  Now that I
>look at what he actually wrote, well, you can see what he actually
>wrote ...

>So, what is the score?  Fred 0, everyone else 10?  I was keeping a
>scorecard, you remember - the Drycleaning Index (Fred lost), the Grocery
>Basket Index (Fred lost), the Gasoline Index (Fred lost), the LA Riot
>Damaged Business Index (Fred lost), etc.  Add to this the NetNews Grammar
>Fascist Award (Fred lost), and he's got quite a streak going.

Yes, and like the remainder of your 'scorecard', it turns out that you
simply lie to the scorekeeper.  If you weren't such a dishonest
bastard, you'd stop trying to pick anecdotal data points and then
claiming that they are representative.  If you weren't such a disonest
bastard, you'd stop lying about and distorting what other people say.
If you weren't such a dishonest bastard, perhaps you'd have a life and
wouldn't be spending all your time selectively editing old netnews.

But that's all speculation, because you ARE such a dishonest bastard.


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Spend, Spend
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:29:46 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Aug26.113152.62@turtle.fisher.com> boyd@turtle.fisher.com writes:
>In article <4193PB2w165w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
>> Got some other choice better than Bush (regarding deficits and taxes)?
>Regarding deficits and taxes -- try Marrou, the other presidential candiate on
>your ballot.

Well, I don't know about Chris, but I'm only interested in those who have a
chance of being elected. Marrou doesn't.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will end at midnight
                 tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: iraq vanquished
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:14:00 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Sep1.211153.7318@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:

>In article <4651@d75.UUCP> curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072) writes:
>...
>>Carl Sagan sat there on CNN and said that we would have global cooling
>>and enlarging ice caps if he did it.  This was not the National Enquirer.
>>This was not "Geraldo".  This was CNN.  He had all sorts of fancy computer
>>models to back him up.
>...
>>Over the howls of protest from the democratic leadership and other
>>wussies like Carl Sagan.
>...
>>Where is Carl Sagan now?  Where is the global catastrophy?

>Hmm. This is kind of a bizarre post; I've half a mind to simply ignore
>it as some kind of strange joke.

>However, let me point out that much of the environmental disaster
>predicted by scientists did occur. Perhaps Carl S. didn't make it
>clear enough, but the 'fancy computer models' which Curt seemed so
>impressed with are purely speculative devices. Lots of people use
>different atmospheric models; Carl Sagan is generally seen as an
>authority because he was the first to understand the 'greenhouse'
>mechanism in the Venusian atmosphere.

Let's face it.  Carl Sagan has used deliberately pessimistic numbers
for atmospheric occlusion from smoke and dust ever since he elected to
do so for political reasons to sell the 'Nuclear Winter' theory.  Most
other reputable scientists maintain that his numbers were off by an
order of magnitude.  Using those numbers, he arrived at his
predictions for India and Pakistan (as a result of the oil fires in
Kuwait).  As expected, he was wrong.


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Rick Troth)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Privacy    (was Re: what the hell is HR 4983
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:59:03 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <RTIIBX2@taronga.com>
kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack) writes:
 
>                                        (Speaking of ennumerated
>   rights, if flag burning is protected by the First Amendment, how
>   can nudity be illegal?)
 
        Excellent point, my friend.
From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Reform of Congress, legislatures
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:58:40 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak) writes:

>     What we need is a proportionally elected house of Congress.

We already have this.  (House of Representatives)

...
> just consider a system whereby one house is elected by the current
> geographically-based winner-take-all system

?? There _is_ no "current ... winner-take-all" system.

The rest of your suggestions would rip away any hope of having real people
(voters) influence their "representatives", even worse than it is now. 
Sorry; I don't buy it.

Chris

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                         UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:22:08 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <7165@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
>Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
>Date: 21 Aug 92 03:36:04 GMT

>In article <exuptr.373.714353312@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>>Sorry, but I must differ.  This is the LEGAL definition of murder.  Other 
>>definitions include unnecessary taking of life.

>Who gets to decide "unnecessary"? 

I agree this is a problem.

>Neither you nor I are in the position
>having the right to tell a woman that it's necessary that she continue her
>pregnancy, regardless of any othe factors. 

Just because she's a woman?  I don't think so.  Otherwise, how can we tell 
her that it's necessary for her to continue feeding her infant?

>Even if you could get pregnant, I
>would not presume to try to tell you that.

If I do, I'll let you know :-)


>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>  "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
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    Ericsson Network Systems
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    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
From: gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:08:51 GMT
Organization: Tennessee Ernie Port Authority

In article <mumble> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
|As a final note, I find it extremely interesting that more men than
|women support abortion on demand.

Would you care to explain, then, why the clinic defense turnout over
the last couple of weeks was overwhelmingly female?

-- 
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gamble@owlnet.rice.edu 
       Oh ye who go about saying unto each other:  "Hello sailor":
       Dost thou know the magnitude of thy sin before the gods?
From: bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Spend, Spend
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:00:18 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Novell, Inc. --Austin

In article <rAEAr*wU0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.113152.62@turtle.fisher.com>, boyd@turtle.fisher.com writes:
>
>> Regarding deficits and taxes -- try Marrou, the other presidential candiate on
>> your ballot.
>
>Isn't he the Socialist (Communist) candidate?  What is his advantage over Clinton -
>that he admits what he really is?

Jim,

Wake up!  Read the letter's to the editor in your paper.  He's the
Libertarian candidate.

Brendan
-- 
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Internet: bboerner@novell.com	MHS: bboerner@novell
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From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Condom Discussion
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:33:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

Someone said:  "Passing out condoms encourages their use."

	What's wrong with that?  Condoms may not be perfect, but 
they do help with some of the negative effects of sexual activity
(disease and pregnancy).  Until somebody figures out how to reduce
sexual activity (other than getting married), we just do what 
we can.

		Bye, Judy.
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:33:18 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug30.204914.25070@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:
>JFH, why do you weaken your own arguments by making these pointless
>grammar and style flames? If you don't understand the question, say
>so. If you do, then answer it.
>
>Mixing otherwise relevant information with petty sniping only makes
>you and your opinions look bad.

I am imitating the style of Fred J. McCall.  He likes to throw style
and grammar flames in for the fun of it.

The "and that isn't a complete sentence" is a direct quote from an
earlier article of his.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | "The US Government has the Midas Muffler
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |  touch: everything they touch turns to
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  shit."
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |                  -- Jay Maynard
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:10:57 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <exuptr.173.714782950@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:

>I want to ban them BY CHOICE, not by law.  How about obsolete?  I like that 
>word.

You mean you want conditions to be such as to make abortion
unnecessary?  Me too.  In the meantime, don't make it illegal.

p.s. let's take houston.general out of the Newsgroups.
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:31:46 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <exuptr.409.714853328@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:
>Just because she's a woman?  I don't think so.  Otherwise, how can we tell 
>her that it's necessary for her to continue feeding her infant?

We can't, because it's _not_ necessary that that particular woman feed that
infant; any person will serve (at least any lactating woman, even if you
insist on fresh human milk).
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will end at midnight
                 tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.flame
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:18:05 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug24.170258.15245@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <exuptr.367.714350134@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>>I've always wondered, why do people say  "total" asshole?

>Because there is a difference between being an asshole to some degree
>and being a total asshole.  Mr. Haugh is the latter.

One thing I like about you, Fred.  It's easy to tell where you stand.
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                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: The blame game
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:02:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.214809.15810@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In other words, THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IS RESPONSIBLE for all the
>deficit spending we're doing.  Either he can control it (via veto and
>threatened veto) or he can't.  If he can, then he is responsible for
>the deficit.  If he can't, then there's no reason to reelect him.

Sure there is.  Will Clinton do any better?  If Clinton is actually
worse, it doesn't much matter how bad Bush is.

We've seen Clinton's plan.  It is a vehement version of the 1990 tax
increase and spending since then.  Bush MIGHT go for that if it was
proposed, but Clinton WILL.  If you think that more of the same is a
good idea, vote for Clinton.  If you think that more of the same is a
bad idea, then the only chance you've got is a vote for Bush.

-andy
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