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From: gu_jc3@stu.ust.hk (GU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HK News Clippings - 07 JAN 92 (Part 2)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:36:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

SCMP

By STAFF REPORTERS

AS RTHK duty editor Charles Keighley set off for home after his early
shift at Broadcast Drive he suddenly found himself caught in the
crossfire between the robbers and police.

   "A colleague and myself were driving down Waterloo Road towards the
Princess Margaret flyover when all hell broke loose," he said.

   "Suddenly there was a number of loud bangs as shots were fired.
Confusion reigned at the scene, cars swerved, people leapt from their
vehicles and along with pedestrians ran for cover.

   "It was like something out of the wild west as the firing continued
for what seemed like ages but for what was in reality only a matter of
minutes.

   "The exchange of shots between robbers and police occurred as
school children were returning home at the end of their morning lessons.
There was panic as people scattered in all directions near the Maryknoll
Convent School.

   "My own view was obscured by two buses parked directly in front of me
but like everyone else I dived for cover on the pavement.

   "After the shooting ended I saw one man taken from a taxi and led
away in handcuffs by armed police.

   "Three vehicles, one of them the taxi, had run into one another on
the flyover itself and tramc was backed up in all directions."

   Lorry driver Mr Chan Chihing, whose vehicle was used sa shield by
the robbers, said: "I saw policemen jumping out of a vehicle at the foot
of the tlyover and the next moment I was in the crossfire.

   "Then there were the screams and shouts of nearby people . . . it was
like a battlefield.

   As I was seeking cover, I saw three heavily-armed men passing in
front of my lorry and opening fire . . . I heard some bullets hitting
my lorry."

   A Ka Wai Chuen resident, Miss Tse Wen-man, said she saw the robbers
on Ma Tau Wai Road as they abandoned one of the hijacked cars.

   "Two men - one with a long gun - jumped out of the car and shouted to
another man in the car: 'Get out. Quick.' The man did not seem to
respond and two gunmen passed me and got in a taxi and drove away," she
said.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chris@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Passport renewal
Originator: chris@ng.austin.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:39:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Organization: What organization?
Keywords: Passport renewal


In article <1iq3o2INNd72@west.West.Sun.COM>, jhchan@west.sun.com writes:
> Helleo HKers,
> 
> I am hold a U.K passport which is expiring soon, where can I get
> a renewal ?   Last year, I heard all the renewal are done at
> the East coast ?> 


All UK/HK passports are now handled by British Embassy(Consulate) in
Washington DC. You can still get applications from your local Consulate
but have to send it to DC.


Chris.









Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung)
Subject: Re: HK democracy (was: What do you think of Chris Patten)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:23:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.184330.24869@objy.com> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>
>I don't know about you, but I feel running out of gas on this topic,
>and we may have bored the other netters to death.  I would like to wrap 
>this thread up, but I'll give up the benefit of the last word and
>the parting shot to post the last article on this thread :)  If you 
>really like to continue, let's do it in email.  It has been a 
>good discussion with you.  Take care.

Sure thing, pal! I think I'm a little dense and you're hopeless :). So let's
chill out and give other netters a chance and let'em bore us to death for a
change. Beside, I opened my big mouth and now I got fires to fight :).

Regards,

Al Fung
SoftFab International Ltd., Cambridge, MA
Email: afung@SoftFab.COM
From: alaw@ap1seq.us.oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Pay Range in HK
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:22:43 GMT
Reply-To: alaw@oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

alanip@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Alan M Ip) writes:
|>I am just wondering as a programmer in HK, what is the basic or standard
|>salary in the market now.  One of my friend thinking about going back
|>and she wants to know the difference between US pay and HK pay range.

I guess it depends on experience, skills and what system you are talking
about. I know UNIX and AS/400 programmers (applications, not kernel) are
paid a lot more than PC programmers. It's just the good old law of supply
and demand.

As compared to the US, which region are you talking about?  It varies a lot
even along the Pacific coast line from Southern California to the Bay Area
to the Pacific Northwest.  But in general, the gross pay would be slightly
lower, but the take home pay, unless you're a US citizen/PR, would be
comparable.  Remember you are talking about a 30+% tax in US compared to
a flat 15% in Hong Kong.

--         
 Alvin W. Law ........................................... Oracle Corporation
 Senior Applications Engineer ............... 300 Oracle Parkway, Box 659306
 Oracle Manufacturing ............................. Redwood Shores, CA 94065
 Email: alaw@oracle.com ....... Voice: 415.506.3390 ...... Fax: 415.506.7299
From: naufal@ocf.berkeley.edu (Naufal A. Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The language on SCP
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:50:31 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu


In article <1993Jan7.092131.30712@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com
(Rukhsana Merchant) writes :


>>In article <1id3t6INNs05@shelley.u.washington.edu>, shamshoo@shelley.u.
>>washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:

>> Dear Rukhsana Merchant,

[stuff deleted]

>> Shams Hasan.


>I am not your *dear* anything (Thanks to Allah!!), so please do not refer
>to me as such in the future!!

>Contrary to popular belief, this is *not* a men's club and women are seen
>and heard everywhere.  But your post in the past make me wonder if there
>is any awareness of the reality of this, besides your narrow point of view
>of what is good for Pakistan.

>And, by all means, perpetuate what you think is acceptable behaviour
>in a public forum.  That childish kind of behaviour only reflects on the
>poster. 

>If you feel that these kind of post show an accurate portrayal of what the
>bueaty of our culture has to offer to outsiders, I would be ashamed to feel
>that this is all it has to offer.

>Ms. Merchant


Cool !  Well said. 

    As for your earlier article, I hope people take your advice and refrain 
from profane language and obscene remarks. 

    And as for everyone else out there trying to kill each other with 
"gaalis", whats the use of it ?  Its takes no effort to bad-mouth each other,
but it takes a real man ( no sexism intended ) to ignore the other person's
filth.  I am no angel myself, but even *I* have gotten to the point where I
am seriously thinking about quitting SCP. It would be better if you people 
end this war -- but if you wanna continue it, take it to alt.flame (like 
someone suggested). 
 
sincerely,
	Naufal Khan.


p.s. Please, don't reply with gaalis because I am simply not gonna reply
     back.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: The language on SCP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:34:00 GMT

In article <1itrm0INNbo4@shelley.u.washington.edu>, shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes...
>
>..deleted
>
>quarrel. It happens with my girlfriends now and then too.
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>..deleted 
> 
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.
> 

	Is it ok for a Good Muslim to have girlfriends?
	I thought Islam only allows either a maximum of 4 "WIFES"
	and/or any number of "LOUNDEES". The idea of girlfriends
	seems to be something new?, but may be I am ignorant.
        Just curious, no offense meant.


Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Offensive casteist usage on s.c.p.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:50:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


I have noticed with some chagrin that Shams Hassan (presumably a Muslim)
persists in using terms such as Bhangi/Chamaar in obviously derogatory
references to what used to be untouchable castes of the subcontinent. I
find this sort of usage deeply offensive. So would most educated Hindus
from India who understand the connotations of such usage. I  request that 
Shams Hassan try to educate himself in this regard and cease such 
offensive usage.

I am also somewhat surprised and disappointed that there has been no
chorus of admonitions to Shams Hassan from Muslims, about this usage. 
Considering that Islam is based on equality and respect for human 
beings (or so I am informed) I would have expected Muslims to be
prompt and firm in condemning such casteist attitudes as displayed
by a fellow Muslim. I am not well-versed with social conditions in
present-day Pakistan, but it would appear that prejudice against
erstwhile untouchable castes is alive and well in Muslim Pakistan. If
this is true, I hope that Pakistanis will look inward and strive to
view all human beings as equal, and discourage contemptuous usages
such as Bhangi or Chamaar. 

As it is, I suspect that to many Pakistanis, Islam's much-vaunted equality
is often little more than a convenient device with which to browbeat
thoughtful Hindus, who are rightly troubled by the sin of untouchability. 

Bapa Rao
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Disgusted! Why?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:40:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

>>yeh network azaad hae. I guess this is the only thing which has any thing
>>to do with Pakistan and is still azad. Oss din say derro jaani, jis din
>>Pakistan may computers iss network say hook up ho gae. Haraami polticians,
>>zaalim fauj kay nikamay generals, khufyaa police kay kaarinday, sub iss
>>
>>Mansoor
>>

> Mansoor jee kiya baat hay aaj kul net per kush ziayada he lekhrahay ho!
					    ^^^^^ 
> Kush aur kaam dundha nahin hay kiya!!!
  ^^^^
	Hey dude, what happened to your Urdu in Texas. Is it kuch'h or kush.
	Remember H. Rawal when he told R.Morey and me that ....
	"I dont like shoftware engineering, I dont like hardware engineering
	I guesh, I am going to eshpeshilize in shishtemsh analyshish...."
>
> Hey man try to avoid writing articles like that otherwise characters
> like Mr. Deepak Bose will do a superb job to add more crap to this 
> news group.
	I am so used to seeing gaalum-galoch on s.c.p in last few days
	that the lack of gaalis in your article made me kind of uncomfortable.

 
> Tera Purana yaar
	I was expecting something like "Tera Purana Baap" or something :-)

> Amjad Qureshi
> Email (amjad@austin.ibm.com)


Mansoor Yar Khan
Cleveland, Ohio





Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: srahman@seas.gwu.edu (Shafiq-ur Rahman)
Subject:  Elite..... 
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:31:57 GMT

hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

>Elites who made "police" so powerful:

>1: Successor governments after Liaquat ALi Khan, who refused to
>   solve the myster of LAK's murder
>2: Iskander Mirza, who dissolved the assembly.
>3: Justic Munir of Supreme Court, who ratified the illegal dissolution
>3: Ayub Khan, who countermanded  the constitution of 1956
>4: Yahya Khan, who ordered a military action against BD
>5  Bhutto who refused to accept his electoral defeat in the hands of Mujib
>6: Zia who lied to the people about 90 days or 90 months
>7: Aslam Baig, who refused to investigate the killing of innocents with Zia
>8: GI khan for dissolving BB's government

Excellent article!!

0: Liaqat Ali Khan, who, instead of giving Constitution to the country,
   started the process of RIGGING the elections of the Provintail Assemblies 
   or dissolving them. 

2: Malik Ghlam Muhammad, who dissovled the Constitution assembly.

5': Bhutto, who is also responsible for Army action in Bluchistan and
    giving official backing to mullahs.
6': Justice Anwaar-ul-Haq, who applied Munir's theory and gave Zia his blessing.
9: The 'intellectuals' who learnt NOTHING from 1971 Civil War.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Dog(Deb) read my posting in soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:18:05 GMT

imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:


>                       Jay Shri Ram jee Key
>		       Bajrang bali

>	Subject says it all!!!!!

>Namaskar


	MUSTAFA ,

		YOU HAVE BECOME A HINDU . KAFIR KAHIN KA .

		I WILL REPORT TO MSA .

					DEEPAK



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: The language on SCP
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1993Jan7.092131.30712@davidsys.com>
	<1iiabkINNkpq@shelley.u.washington.edu>
	<1993Jan11.170027.30724@davidsys.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:09:34 GMT



   Rukhsana, or Rukhsana Merchant, or Ms. Merchant is fine.  I do not
   need a *dear* attached to it.  However, this is a public forum and
   the point of view is addressed not to a particular person, but
   to the general person so therefore no address is needed, in my opinion.
   In other words, the person who is stating a viewpoint does not need
   to be specified specifically, because he is stating either his viewpoint
	                                 ^^                   ^^^
----------
	Looks like you have succumbed to Male Chauvanism, Dear.
---------
   or a viewpoint, so just address the viewpoint.  However, I leave it
   up to your disgression whatever method you choose to apply.  

   But for me, I would ask that *I* not be addressed as *Dear*.

   Ms. Merchant
--
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vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Roohafza
Date: 11 Jan 1993 04:47:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

		
		Roohafza
		--------

	Let's talk about Roohafza. What is that stuff in it
	which makes people feel good. Is there really any 
	such stuff in it. Is there any thing in it which
	is harmful to health? 
	Should we tell FDA to go after it? 

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland
From: aa2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (A. R. Abid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Info needed
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:22:46 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am thinking about buying a clone for personal use. Will someone please
reply if 1) it would be better to buy it here and take it back home, or
2) should I buy it in Pakistan?

Also, will someone please post the names of reputed clone dealers in
Karachi and Lahore. Info about different support services provided by
the dealers would be most helpful.





Thank you

A. R. Abid
aa2g@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Re: Report: U.S. insists Pakistan prove it's not backing terrorists 
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:49:52 GMT


This is yet another notch in the ratcheting up of anti-Pakistan/muslim
pressure.  I hope it is an expected one, because I was waiting for
this to happen.  Pakistan is useless to the USA and furthermore has is
seen as insolent to one of the masters' new buddies: India.  Remember
that geopolitically even though India is not a very important area for
US foreign policy, Pakistan's location is even worse.  Moreover India
has been attracting US capital any way it can (by deregulating old
socialist industries and trying to setup a silicon valley in
Bangalore). Thus the US finds itself holding a stake in India's
stability.  There is no such US stake in Pakistan.  Indeed, the
relationship has been so one-sided that Americans would not even bat
an eye at slamming the door on Pakistan, meanwhile our GNP would
suffer considerably.

The time has come to recognize the charade for what it is.  Today they
give 180 days to prove we're not terrorists, tomorrow it will be 60 to
prove we're not "fundamentalist mozzzzlems."  Indeed, it may even be
better for us to take the US demand nonchalantly, shrug our shoulders
and ask the state department boys to define "terrorist."  Ask them why
they made us arm, supply and feed Afghan "terrorists" and why they
aided us to the hilt. Ask 'em if this isn't a clear case of hypocricy ?
Tell 'em we find it tiresome to deal with hypocrites and tell 'em 
to shut up their spy-centers and embassies and, like, leave.


fmb




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From: nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu (Nadeem G Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Prediction: Egypt to fight Sudan.  Action replay of Iraq-Iran war!
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:17:32 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Originator: nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu


Quote:

Subject: Egypt asserts sovereignty over border area claimed by Sudan
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:25:40 EST

	CAIRO, Egypt (UPI) -- Egypt Wednesday made public the text of a letter
it sent to the U.N. Security Council expressing its determination not to
concede on an escalating border dispute with Sudan.
:
:
endQuote [rest of the news appended to the article

Prediction: State dept. will prod Egypt to fight a proxy war because of 
            the danger of rising Islamic power and influence in Sudan.

We are again seeing an action replay of Iraq-Iran war. Egypt the
current puppet of USA, is being prodded by the state department
to incite and make the disputed area with Sudan, a cause for
a war. 

Here we see the action replay. Divide and rule. I guess the inheritors
of the British legacy, the USA, has not forgotten the teaching of its
mentor.

Chips are all getting together for the next war. It is becoming
more and more clear why the USA sent its forces to Somalia.
They indeed plan, well ahead!!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I agree with brother Irfan. And this might be another "UN" sponsered killing
of Muslims. But the real problem is that Muslims just don't learn. We are
still debating about things which are not important and infact planted by
non-Muslims for us to fight over. The other area where "UN" led killing
of Muslims will take place is the area of ex-Yougoslavia near Albania
In order to make sure that the Albanian Muslims cannot come the aid of their
Muslim brethern across border the UN has already put some 600 soldiers near
the Albanian border.The reason being given is that these soldiers are to prevent
Third World War. May Allah give us guidance, Ameen.

Nadeem
-- 
Nadeem G Chaudhry
nchaudhr@ulowell.ulowell.edu
From: hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SHER...
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:32:00 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR



HAR EK BAAT PE TUM KAHTE HO KE TU KYA HAI,

TUMHI KAHO KE YE ANDAAZ-E-GUFTAGU KYA HAI.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Elite..... My Foot!
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:56:05 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !

In article <1il69oINNosn@shelley.u.washington.edu> shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.155423.11614@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:

.... (previous postings deleted)

>>
>>Not to suggest that Jam Sadiq Ali or his son Mashooq are not corrupt. The
>>fact remains that Jam Sadiq's father Jam Kambhu Khan was the richest man in
>>Sindh. Jam Sadiq never needed any money of any kind... and I'm sure his
>>son doesn't either.
>>
>>>
>>>Mansoor Khan
>>>Cleveland
>>>>					Saqib Mausoof 
>>>
>>Nadeem
>>-- 
>>Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>>						 
>>School of Computer Science			  
>>Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
>
>Dear Nadeem,
>
>If Jam Sadiq never needed any money, what was his accomplishments in the
>public service ? May be you can throw some light on that. I think you seem
>to have an inside track on the backgrounds of Vaderaas/Zamindaars.
>
>Also, while you are responding, please allow us the knowledge of where did
>the richest man in Sind made his wealth and if you know, how ?
>
>I think many of us would like to know and may benefit by it. 
>

The family has been rich for generations... so it is not right to say that
they became rich by bungling Government money. As regards how they 
initially became rich, before trying to answer this question I'll question
its pertinence. Do we challenge people's right to be rich? We aren't communists
are we? Similarly Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto was a rich person himself. These people
had palacious houses before Z.A. Bhutto ever joined politics. Au contraire,
people like Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi were no body before taking public office.
I know this family a little bit more than others do. Ghulam Mustafa used to
stand outside tapedars' offices with boxes of mangoes. Look at the progress
they've made :)

What happenned to Karachi's parks? well, go ask the Jamaat-e-Islami. They
were controlling KMC weren't they?

>
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.
>

regards

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: GRE Prep Classes
Originator: ahmedss@gassendi
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:55:42 GMT

Hi, I am taking the Bobrow GRE Preparation Class at the
San Jose State University, and would like to know from
any netters out there, if they have had any experience
with the Bobrow Test Preparation Classes, and how
would they rate them, on GRE score improvement, and 
techniques.
ThanX N BYE. SYED SAYEED AHMED
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan