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In rec.motorcycles.dirt, Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson) writes:

>     Sorry Jeff, But if the Sahara club is involved I'm not interested.

Sorry to hear this.  Perhaps I wan't clear as to the relationship with 
the Sahara club bbs.  Pat has volunteered to forward our messages to
the bbs. In return, Pat may be sending *selected* articles from the Sahara
club bbs.  Articles related to land use decisions that will effect *you*. 

No one is asking you to support the Sahara club.  However, by having our 
messages sent to the bbs, we gain exposure to hundreds, if not thousands 
of concerned OHV users.  If even one percent of these folks are able to 
write a letter, it's a tremendous boost. 

I am not a member of the Sahara club.  As caustic and extremist as I view
their approach, it has it's place.  It's a backlash reaction from extremist 
preservationist groups such as Earth First. 

It's too bad that you're condemning both the Sahara club and the landuse
mailing list based on an electronic conversation with one person.  As Ross
Perot would say, that's just sad.  We will loose the battle with the 
hard-core preservationists if we remain divisive.  The preservationists are 
as tenacious as a pit bull and twice as stupid, but they are organized and 
share a common purpose. 

So Ken, what would you propose?  We plan on taking action.  Don't come
whining to us when you have no place left to ride.  If you don't like the
landuse mailing list, join up and make it what you think it should be.
It's a democracy.  Unless you take part, nothing is going to change. 

This reminds me of a comment that one of our club officers received 
from a member.  We formed NCTR a year ago after trails begin getting 
shut down.  A few of the members are dissapointed that the issues are 
not yet resolved, so they are not going to renew their membership.  It 
really ticks me off that someone can think that by spending $15 they 
can expect to have all of the problems solved in one year.  These
are the same folks that have had no involvement in the club activities. 

Perhaps if we spent tens of thousands of dollars per year, we could just 
throw lawyers at the problems.  This is just what the Sierra club does. 
They have an annual budget in the millions of dollars.  Since no one has 
stepped forward to bankroll our operations, what we really need are 
volunteers.  People to meet with land managers.  People to write letters.  
People who care enough to make a difference.  

Face it folks, we're in this for the long haul.  The enviros are not going 
roll over and play dead.  Unless we can effectively organize, their
perserverance will see that OHVs are eliminated.  

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we stop riding because they locked
the gates.
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Subject: Re: Old 250R Elsinore
From: mark@netlink.cts.com (Mark Bradford)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:41:52 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering) writes:

> I have access to an old 250R Elsinore.  My friend tells me that the
> bike just needs a new top end.  I'm interested in using it as a 
> trail bike but have heard that these things are very pipey.  What's
> the scoop?  Could it be de-tuned for trail riding or should I just
> look for a used XR250?
> 
> brian@pdx.csd.mot.com
> 
> -- 
> "It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
> be without effect..."
> 
> - Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803



GET THE XR!!!

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From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: ATV's
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:33:35 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

>      Secondly, I race a Fourtrax 250R in regional motocross
> (Northern Ohio) and during late practice they run ATV's and
> the bikes together.  The bikes go first, with ATV's let loose
> about 10 seconds later.  On long (read not tight) outdoor type 
> tracks us faster "spodes" catch and pass all but the faster
> B and A riders.  Granted it's not really racing, but I don't
> think they just let us by - who wants to be beat by a "spode"
> On a supercross track it's a different story though.  All
> but the slower bikers are faster than the average ATV.
> Rough whoops and triples make ATV's no fun.

  I wouldn't call someone a spode because of what they choose
  to ride (definition of spode later).  I do know that I would
  let a quad by just for the matter of getting him the hell away
  from me.  I don't think I'd try to block pass one nor want to 
  occupy the same berm with one either. :-)  I've rode enough 
  bulls to know that big animals are best avoided.

  One who rides the opposite way as everyone else.  Helmetless.
  Wearing cutoffs and thongs.  Create unsafe situations for 
  other riders.  Tries to race you when you lap them (though its
  been a while since I've lapped someone :-).  Won't get out of
  the way.  IMHO, thats a spode.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    I just broke a screw off into infinity.
X-Country?!? What next?!?      |      Anyone got a real long/short easyout?  
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |    If you'll try it, I'll try next. NOT!
                               |  


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From: ames@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Wes Ames)
Subject: CR500 and recreational riding -
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: world       
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:30:12 GMT


I have been looking for a good general purpose bike, that	     
has more go than my XR200.  I was looking for a late model
KDX250 or RMX250, but a buddy is suggesting a CR500.  Now
my riding is about 40% Hillclimbing, 40% woods, and 20% back
roads (logging roads take you far in the Northwest!).  

I had thought the CR500 was WAY more power than I needed,
but he is trying to convince me otherwise.  I wonder what 
the consensus is regarding '88 - '90 CR500's for this type
of riding.......   Should I consider this, or keep looking 
at the 250's...........?  Are they too pipey, or is the
powerband Ok in the woods??  I think the hillclimb stuff
would work out great, but I'd like to hear about the other
stuff - any ideas??


Wes Ames                   |
ames@bcstec.ca.boeing.com  |
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: CR500 and recreational riding -
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:24:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BzH4t8.FIM
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Dec17.050301.24314@selway.umt.edu> mtrhead@selway.umt.edu (Josh Harmon) writes:
>  Rear sprocket enlargement will lower 
>your speed on logging roads, from 95mph down to 89mph (no I am not
>entirely serious, fifth gear WFO doesn't occur much for me,  I am 
>somewhat uneasy about power wheelies at 75mph!)

  Just as an aside, a stock geared CR500 will go about 70 topped out.
Last sunday I followed a friend of mine down a paved road (coming back from
the bar at Clear Creek) on his '92 and he could only muster 70.
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From: kensib@cary103.its.rpi.edu (Brian C. Kensing)
Subject: ATV's
Reply-To: kensib@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:29:52 GMT

Does anyone know of a newsgroup for ATV's?

				Thanks,
				  B.C. Kensing
				  (kensib@its.rpi.edu)
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From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Subject: CR250 vs. XR250
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:24:27 GMT

For the past year or so, my son & I have been happily trail riding on our
twin XR250's, exploring the performance domain of mid-sized thumperdom.
But at his insistence, I may have done a dreadful thing:  last evening
I acquired a 1988 CR250 as a third bike, a sort of Christmas present to
both of us.  It is currently hidden away in a storage shed.  I rode it
enough to determine that 1) it works fine (never raced by previous owner)
and 2) yow, izzat hummer fast, or what?  So now I need some net.wisdom
about the transition from a 4 stroke bike to one which weighs less and
has twice the ponies.  
- how does one learn to ride such a beast in a way that minimizes risk
  of injury?  (No racing anticipated with it--i.e., signing up for a
  beginner class moto was not what I had in mind, although being able
  to view a MX course as another kind of trail to have fun with seems
  within reason, and the local AMA courses do have practice days for
  such stuff).
- Are there any maintenance gotchas with the 1988 CR250, or things to
  look out for beyond what the owner's manual says (analogous to snapping
  the swing arm linkage on recent KX's)?  The owner's book is almost a
  shop manual, with maintenance procedures and specs for all the systems
  on the bike, and while its cold and wet we may disassemble the beast
  and put it back together by book specs.  Anything special to look for
  in terms of hidden damage?

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov
250 CRitter reCRuit
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bra auction for charity (was: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:11:31 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>In article <carlp.724803627@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
...microwaing panties story deleted...

>ObBid: I hereby bid $20 towards The Cause for any bra fitting the
>excellent restrictions and prior use requirements stated above by Carl.

Now we're talkin'!
I bid $21, subject to previously-stated conditions.
--
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 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Cell phones
Keywords: cellular phones
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:08:36 GMT

In article <BzCvBs.Lyx@apollo.hp.com> brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady) writes:
}What type do you have in your car? I'm curious since most hands-free ones
}sound like crap. I use a NEC hand-held which works pretty well. 
								 
I have a Motorola *mumble* (don't remember model number, was somewhere
near 3/4+ of the way up their product line from the bottom).
-- 
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cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:42118 misc.forsale:33706
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:56:14 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <1992Dec17.193810.8769@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.161455.28428@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec16.234211.10815@advtech.uswest.com> ltp@uswest.com (Halfman-Halfmachine) writes:
>|> >I have a radar gun that I no longer use and would like to 
>|> >see it go to a good home. I don't have any idea what brand
>|> 
>|> This would almost be worth the $200, just to be able to make
>|> everyone's brake lights flash on the Interstate... :')
>
>cop car while weaving all over the road......then again
>you could also hook it inline with your radar detector......
>every time a cop hits you with radar you send back a "bounce"
>signal.....

Just a warning... It is illegal in some states to 'jam' police radar (like
here in Texas) and this is considered radar jamming. But at least here in
Texas it isn't illegal to operate such a device (as long as you don't point
it at police radar).

The brake light flashing objective has been around for some time. We call
these devices 'Brake Light Checkers'. Someone else started up a game called
'Trolling for Taillights' which uses these devices :^)

All it takes is a 5v. supply, an appropriate horn (such as a radar detector
horn if you don't have a radar gun horn) and a source for the correct
microwave frequencies. I made my 'Brake Light Checker' about 4 or so years
ago after getting tired of being run down on I35 between San Antonio and
Austin. You can fit the whole assembly into a small microwave detector so it
looks like a detector instead of a transmitter (if this is of concern).

And it DOES work great. I kept bliping a guy in a Caddy for miles after he
almost rear-ended me. Every time he got bold enough to hit the gas, I blipped
him again. Finally he pulled off the highway and drove on the access road for
a while :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want"
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New to the Moto List
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:16:54 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Dec15.063640.13232@Virginia.EDU>, tjr2g@Virginia.EDU ("!!! Cosmic Charlie") writes:
> Hi everyone.  My name is Tim Richter and I am new to this net
> and haven't used one before.  I just have a question.  What is
> DoD?  What does it stand for if it is a Abbreviation?  Thanks
> ^^^
> 
Actually it doesn't stand for anything - DoD is just a silly little name that 
was made up for our amusement....

We like to see people guess at what it means. Yeah, that's it! 8-)
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: '72 Supersonic Blue-Smoker....
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:38:52 GMT
Expires: 15 Jan 93 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <539.2B2BECC6@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>I drove all the way from San Jose to Los Angeles Saturday, and at last
>picked up the 1972 Kawasaki H2 Mach IV I've wanted to purchase since 1973.
>...at last I got the Widow Maker back.
>
>Monday I will get 2-stroke oil, crankcase oil, and mix up some 100 octane
>leaded fuel (remember that?) After I bleed the front (single disk) brake
>and install a battery, I'll give her a kick and see what happens.

Ahhh, John...perhaps you might want to include a family sized can of ether 
to coax it along.  My experiences with two-strokes (as well as some friends 
of mine) goes way beyond the capacity of our mighty thighs to KaFrrrrrphphphp
into life.  Just a thought that might save you a couple of legs and a lot of
wheeezing.


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Summary: how many falls?
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:47:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <BD.92Dec3103333@fluent.UUCP>, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
> 
> There was no smiley.  My question was serious.  How come he
> falls down so much?
> 
> If the answer is "he races a lot, pushes the outer edge a lot,
> and he crashes a couple of times a year" then I'll pay more
> attention to him than if the answer is "he drinks a lot, and
> can't handle the bike he rides".

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
There is a saying from my other sport:
"It takes seven falls to make a rider."

Janet gunnj@nmi.com
or gunnj@ddn-wms.ddn.mil
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Interstate Speeds (was Re: Radar Gun For Sale)
Date: 20 Dec 92 05:14:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

tomes@iastate.edu writes:
>I think 100 mph is reasonable for the interstate, since the original specs
>on the interstate system were written for 100mph max speed, 

Maybe out in the flatlands of Iowa, where you can weld your steering head
and still stay on the blacktop for many, many miles.  Not on much of the
east coast, tho'.  I know of plenty of stretches of interstate that will
have you working hard at 70mph (I-495 in Montgomery Co. MD, for example).
Even away from urban areas, I've found areas that require you to hold
your speed <80mph, tho' I like to try to test the engineers.  8^)

Does anybody have the a copy of the specs as originally laid out in the
Defense Interstate Highway Program (ie: the actual language)?  I seriously
doubt that it specifies 100mph, verbatum.  It was passed in the mid-1950s
as I'd recall, and was designed for the purpose of deploying troops and
military materiel around the country rapidly during a national emergency
(who says we didn't get any benefit from The Cold War ;^).  Tho' the mid-
50s were a bit before my time, I don't think a lot of cars were designed
to sustain 100mph speeds, much less military trucks and troop carriers.
The language probably says something about optimizing the roads for speed
given the surrounding terrain rather than a hard numeric spec.

>When I drive on the east coast, five lanes of traffic is more than enough to
>safely separate 90mph traffic from 35 mph traffic most of the time. 

You obviously don't drive on the east coast very much, or at least not
in the northeast corridor along I-95, et al...

>Yes, I keep up with the flow of traffic when it is faster than the posted 
>limit, mostly because I want to avoid getting rear-ended by a braindead cager.
>I have never had a ticket under those circumstances, and I doubt any cop would
>try to give me one.

Like I said, you obviously don't drive the east coast very much...  ;^(

Mr. Bill
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fuel self-ignition
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:11:59 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Dont worry too much. Fuel doesnt seem to ignite when you sppill it on a hot
engine. I have domne extensive experimentation on this over many years! If the
engine is running, then its a different story, cos the ignition can set it off.
Even if you spill it filling up, then start the bike up an ride off, it'll have
evaporated off too quickly to be a risk. I've never managed to blow myself up.

In summary, the main danger with spilt fuel is to be too near r.m.
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: moto-insurance
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:07:29 GMT


>        I need advise. what is fair price for moto-insurance: I am safe driver with ~10 years
>experience with car, but I did not drive bike for 7+ years. I am going to get bike mostly for
>pleasure. Any help will appreciate.
>        Yuri


    Northland Insurance Co.
  Hamm Bldg.
  St. Paul MN 56012

    Sells basic coverage for a Harley in the LA area for about $128
a year. In washington, it's probably even less. I don't know how
they are on settlements because I've never needed it.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
 

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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Widder Address?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:26:37 GMT

charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.233722.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:

>>Does have an address for Widder?  Thanks!

>Here it comes around on the guitar again:

>  Widder Enterprises
>  410-D Bryant Circle
>  Ojai, California 93023
>Verified voice phone:   805-640-1295      FAX:   805-640-1296

>They said that they do sell direct to private individuals, so have at it!

I guess I should have mentioned that Competition Accessories sells
Widder's stuff, and a bit cheaper than Widder sells direct. Other
dealers/mail order shops probably carry the stuff too.

Competition Accessories
800-543-3535 (US & Canada)
513-372-7607
They do have a FAX number too, but the one listed in the ad I'm looking
at is a digit short, so there's not much point in posting it. 
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:38:01 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
 <1992Dec9.201050.671@spdc.ti.com> <djm.724126956@morpheus>
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <djm.724126956@morpheus>, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David
Maconochie) wrote:
> 
> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
> 
> >   I am 38 years old, 5'7", 195 lb, and my blood pressure, though not high,
> >is not far from being so. I eat too much, drink lots of beer, and don't 
> >exercise enough. In short, I will, in the future, be a poor health risk
> >and a possible public burden. Should we, therefore, legislate nutrition
> >
> stuff deleted
 
> Well if you were paying your own health insurance, you would be charged
> vastly more than me on account of your weight, blood pressure etc. As it is,
> the rest of your firm pays extra for you.  The question here is should they?

David, are you going to suggest next that there be a physical ideal
to which we should all strive and then propose legislation to
enforce it?
From: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:54:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu


> >>>|> Everything is for sale. It just depends on the offer.
> >>>so how much for the bra? my first offer is $1
> >>
> >>Next bid is $2
> >>Couldn't resist.
> >
> >You guys obviously have not a clue of what a good bra goes for these days......
> 
> Nobody has inquired about condition yet.

Yeah!! Is it a front loader? back loader? strapless? what percentage
is lace? color? make? model? type material? is it 'sheer'? see through?
*gawd* I feel the urge for a cold shower!! ;-)

Mark
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