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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Meet the Gresge!
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:11:37 GMT
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                    MEET THE GRESGE
     His name was Ralph Gresge(grezz-ghee), but we always called him
The Gresge because he seemed more like an elemental force than
anything else.  I first noticed him in a CS class.  I and the co-ed
I sat next to had dubbed him 'the fat kid'.  He would always come
into class late with three or so of his ridiculous friends('the
doofy guy', who always wore cutoffs and sandals with white knee-
high socks; 'the crunchy girl', who had stringy hair and always
carried her backpack over both shoulders and seemed to bounce on
the ball of each foot as she walked; and 'the chess nerd', who
always had a portable magnetic chess set with him and would try to
drum up games when you were trying to study.)  
     Sophomore year I was off-campus on State Street and our one
apartment-mate dropped out so we needed a new third.  The Gresge
had the money, so he was it.  Despite his pale skin, curly unkempt
blond hair, and shabby clothes, we learned that he was actually
quite a brilliant guy:  he'd spent a summer in high school
designing video games for Bally, and had bought a Trans Am with the
money, into which he'd dropped an enormous engine and a tank of
nitrous in the back.  The nitrous had this way of kicking in
unexpectedly sometimes because the switch he'd rigged up for it was
right next to the defroster.  When the nitrous was on, the car
would spin wheels in third gear and all the valves would blow out.
     The Gresge was always buying chemicals and cooking stuff up in
the kitchen.  It was not surprising to find saltpeter and bags of
high-nitrogen fertilizer and sugar lying around.  We didn't press
him about any of these.  Wouldn't have been prudent.  Once I saw
him in the kitchen and he had melted a bunch of those styrofoam
packing peanuts in a pot.  Into this he was adding motor oil.  On
the kitchen table was a copy of "The Poor Man's James Bond".
     "What's cookin', Ralph?"  
     "Oh, plastique."
     Yeah, right.  An hour later, our balcony exploded.

     After a month with him the place was a disaster.  Food
wrappers, explosion burns, garbage everywhere.  Our landlady had
decided that it would be a good thing to "check up on us".  Ralph
was asleep, naked.  She let herself in and screamed.  Ralph threw
on a towel and met her in the front room.  She just stood there,
her mouth open, speechless, pointing.
     "Lady, get out."
     "I own this house!"
     "Hee.  Oops."
     "WHO?!  WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?!"
     Ralph just scratched himself and looked at her.  He said, "I--
I blame society."
     We got a huge kick out of this when we talked about it later
that night, but it sucked because she took our vcr and wouldn't
return it until we cleaned up the place and rebuilt the balcony.
     She still has that vcr.

RICHH

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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      re: family
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>   Thanks, Aunt Doris...family *can* be a trial, sometimes, eh?
>   Perhaps my dear old dad confused me with someone else...I've
>   heard that driving around too much with the top down can cause
>   hallucinations...;-)

That *has* to be the answer, for surely no father in his right mind could
malign such a sweet daughter.

>   sorry!  Lovely presents for Aunt Doris, though...perhaps another
>   European trip?
> Jill

Sounds lovely. And if the *top* prize isn't yours, I *adore* Godiva
Chocolates. :-)
Auntie Doris
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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              07 Sep 92 12:38:00 -0400. <9209071643.AA10814@sics.se>

  Karen babbles:

  >Okay, I'll buy this.  But...why is Bertie not a mindless twit?  He would
  >certainly be more of one w/ out Jeeves, but he definitely still is one!

  You have a strange notion of a "mindless twit"! What is your evidence for
this bizarre claim?
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: My trip tp France and Happy Labor Day (USA)
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>I will write possibly later if people were are interested.

     I might be, if you actually talk about France and try to keep the
     pissing and moaning to a minimum.

     Carol
     ("...and then I couldn't get a window seat on the train for
     Dijon...")
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:45:11 -0600
From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Amazon T-shirt News

Further Blues Pineth Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> I was a little surprised that nobody commented on the ambiguity in what
> I said that started this thread.

     Sorry, Natalie.  I came in mid-conversation so I don't know what
you said to start this whole mess off.  I haven't been able to activate
a freenet account yet, so when I am NOMAIL I have to rely on Archives.
Maybe when I get a working freenet account so that I can access USENET
and get the current flow of threads.  Sigh.  Or is that now <Sigh>?

The Ronin
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      RE: New
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Since Alex is actively trying to improve his writing, I'll be
considerate and point out a consistent error he's made in every
second posting over the last year:
> Most topics are covered but, we revert back to ...
should be
  Most topics are covered, but we revert back to...

G
(Not a grammar flame - if I were being nasty I'd shut up and let him carry on
doing it like MacPhil and his 'majour'...)
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From: maya@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:46:02 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92090909541615@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU> writes:
>On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:03:00 JST Akio Tanaka said:
>> 6) Queens-Grandson-Theory (Dan)
>     got me....I said that?  hmmmmm

	I think it had to do with Jack the Ripper, and the Michael Caine
miniseries.  My understanding was that there exists (although not
uniquely, Tushar) a theory that Jack the Ripper, uncaught murderer of
the 18??'s, was in fact the grandson of the queen.  Along with this
basic belief is usually associated the implications of conspiracy, the
murmured complaints that "somebody knew" who he was, and didn't bring
him to justice solely because of his royal position.

	I was tempted to write his "semipseudosupralegal position", but
settled for royal.

>dan

maya (peas in our lifetime) 
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Klennex
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> >> OK, sorry -ggs, oh king of <missspelllinggggssss>
> >
> Oh.  Please?  I could use the noteriety.  Could I be one of the sewer
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> rats?  My non-list sister is always calling me worse things than that; it
> would be fun to finally play the game, as well as having the <name>.
>
> Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message

The *only* thing that keeps me from commenting on *this* is my
innate sense of fairness and my Suthun upbringing.  My mama taught
me to never be rude to a lady....
--ggs
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Subject:      Goodbye

*** Resending note of 09/10/92 10:51

>Due to circumstances, I am forced to unsub from this list.  I just want
>to say goodbye to all my friends.

>Evelyn

Well, you may not read this then, but Evelyn, I am personally sad to see
you have to leave and wish you nothing but the best in the future ...and
maybe you will be able to return.  Good luck!
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Meet the Gresge!
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:> If this turns out to be merely recycled talk.bizarre schtick we're
:> not going to be impressed & Abh isn't going to marry you...
:
:
:Awww, Graham, can I, can I, huh, pleeeeze? Just for a little?
:
:-abh

OK, but just remember I'm already booked for the kids.

G
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:56:06 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: "Prescriptivism"

>> It is as simple as this: "I have a say, so I would like a distinction to
>> be preserved. Let's argue it out using the (subjective) notion of what is
>> sensible and practical."
>
>Right.  Your arguing, of course, won't preserve the distinction.

On the contrary, given a sufficient number of people with like feelings
the distinction will be preserved. That's after all the point of arguing.


>                                                       My point was that
>I found it ironic that the prescriptivists who *do* sometimes argue from
>etymology didn't realize that in this particular case that argument would
>backfire on them.

I am still puzzled about who these people are.


>> Hm. Maybe I am only imagining a "main argument". So let me ask first, are
>> prescriptions just not allowed?
>
>Allowed by whom?  I don't think that God involves Herself in these matters.
>People can prescribe, proscribe, and otherwise babble away without any
>restriction that I know of -- or at least in some countries.  I guess that
>certain kinds of prescriptions are not allowed in certain countries.

OK, let me be clearer: is it illogical or unscientific to prescribe on usage
of words? Is it merely useless?

tushar
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Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: T
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Posted on 6 Sep 1992 at 05:35:44 by tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
>Why not write an article on me? My tongue curls back when I say [t] and
>is behind the teeth for [th].

I'm not surprised to hear of your retroflex t, but about your th--where
exactly is your tongue?  Mine is at the bottom of my teeth, not really
interdental. The vibrating airstream flows betweeen the bottom 1/4 of my
front teeth and my tongue. Can you be more specific about yours?

Karen
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*** Resending note of 09/10/92 02:27


>Jill (still driving my '83 Celica, and proud of it!)

Jill, nothing wrong with that!  Toyota's last forever!

Don, still driving a '72 Celica, that looks and runs great ...everything
still works, A/C, clock, radio (but only AM radio :-().  Actually, I am
teaching Dawn to drive car as I want her to be comfortable with stick
shift, and seeing how she likes to take corners too fast, the Toyota is
by far the most stable of my fleet of vehicles....but she really would
like to have a black Miata convertible..   hmmmm, maybe I should
introduce her to ggs...if he is playing the sugar-daddy role...then
again maybe I shouldn't, Dawn's boyfriend is jealous, protective, and
strong...we wouldn't want to see an old man beat-up, would we?
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Good grief, it's today!
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Happy birthday, Gilbert...I forgot it was today...if you'd shipped the
blue Miata it would have jogged my memory and I wouldn't be so late in the
day wishing you many happy returns :-).  Hope you have had a happy day,
and will have many more happy birthdays in the future.

ndh (who has been busy planning for her mother's 80th next Wednesday)
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From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Bill's Life
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Alec,

Thanks for posting that informative and substantive report on Bill Clinton. And
to think, I almost voted for that guy.

-abh
<whew>
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>I think that we've established that this in an Exeter list.

    Mka--Is there really any Exeter tie-in on Words-l? I was there
for a year ten years ago as a Bennett Fellow.
    --Rod (with the Andover, England au pair)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:14:40 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: prescriptivism again
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> That's saying practically nothing. And with quotes around "standard" and
> "norm" it really does mean nothing.

Sorry.  I often say nothing.  The quotes mean that the definition of
"standard" (or at least which dialectal features constitute the standard)
is debatable.  The quotes around "norm" mean that "norm" is relative to
the exact groups being included.

> To make things clear, what I want to know is what dictates usage. And all
> this is going on (from my side) to establish who "prescriptivists" are -
> i.e. whether there is a well-defined group of people like that or whether
> the definition is so loose that we all are prescriptivists.

See Tony Crowley's -Standard English and the Politics of Language-, U of
Illinois Press, 1989.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:37:36 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hopefully
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> If one presumes an ellipse after hopefully with the missing words
> being  "I am wishing", so that if spelled out fully, the sentence

Why go through such complicated justification?  Sentence adverbs have
been around for years.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:05:32 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plumbing Woes
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> precisely the purpose of reparing nicks in porcelain fixtures.  In the more
> sophisticated cities, one can obtain this paint in a variety of colors

Fortunately, all bathroom fixtures and kitchen appliances in my house are
white.  OTOH, it might be interesting to find out how sophisticated
Starkville really is.  After all, I think we are still the smallest town
in the U.S. to have a symphony orchestra.  One of the 26 job candidates
we interviewed for one position at MLA several years ago happened to have
come across that little detail somewhere and mentioned it during the
interview.  We were impressed with his research.  We hired him.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Teaching....
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> Ah, but turning disinterested students into interested ones is

Prescriptivist Alert!  Prescriptivist Alert!   What is Jim saying here?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:47:01 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Sinsemilla
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I see that I have won the Spelling Award for this quarter.  I assure
you all that there were good reasons for the misstep, and that they
will be revealed in good time.  As soon as I can come up with them.
(Maybe I *should* have inhaled.)

brad
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OK, 'fess up - who else is now skipping these unread?
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> waiting for the mail to start pouring in as it's supposed to...
>> Giggles, old chap, WHERE'S PART THREE???
>
>--ggs is experiencing a memory lapse....  the effects of approaching
>*five-five* I think....  it will be forthcoming in the <foreseeable>
>future.....
It better be.<growls menacingly> [darnitt, I can never do that right....]
>--- (well, I never, my *own* name just slipped my mind....)
DEFINITELY the big double nickel approaching, Giggles; senility has begun its
relentless onslaught...

-- 
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	ap290 and ak743 , both of the Cleveland Freenet
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:22:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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>   Says Tushar:
>
>   >>You will be, Giggles, you will be.
>   >>
>   >>-Mka
>   >Wow!
>   >I wish I had said that.
>
>   This is pretty deep, and it only just dawned on me that Tushar is being a
> bit critical of Mka.

I'm sorry, I'm too old to understand any of this deconstruction of the
text.
--ggs
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Hopefully
              13 Sep 1992 22:09:39 EST from <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

>What is this, The Tales of Hoffnung?
>
>-Mka

  The Tales of Hoffnungslosigkeit (Hoffnung's cousin, twice
  removed)
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  >I'm sorry, I'm too old to understand any of this deconstruction of the
  >text.

  No deconstruction, I just cottoned on to Tushar's reference to the invention
of the "you will" rejoinder, in Oscar Wilde's reply to somebody's "I wish
I had said that".
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:15:42 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: The [t] in often
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> My high school English teacher Mrs. Tranberry, who was on hand
> to watch English flourish from about 1066 on up, insisted that we
> not pronounce the [t] in _often_.

I find it interesting that the spelling pronunciation of "often" seems
to be a stable variation that's been around a long time but is not taking
over (that's just my casual observation, not based on real data), unlike
the many spelling pronunciations that have replaced earlier pronunciations
(e.g., palm, theatre).  I predict that the spelling pronunciation of
salmon is, like palm did, moving toward replacing the traditional one.

> She also wanted us to say
> "Don Jew-on" for Don Juan.

I always associate (and use) that pronunciation with Byron's poem and the
Spanish pronunciation for any other use of "Don Juan."  I'm not sure why.
I've wondered why everybody seems to use "Don Jew-on" when referring to
Byron.  Is it because Byron pronounced it that way?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:33:56 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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              92 7:21 am

> There's a myth floating around the nets that "Zen and the Art of the
> Internet" is not available in ASCII.  Untrue.  In case you want a copy,
> I just put one in docs/words-l/Net-Stuff as zen.txt.  It's 183742 bytes.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

	The reason for this myth is that Brendan is prohibited by
his contract with the book publisher from making it available in
ascii.

	Just so you know.

Rita
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz

>and come back once you know the basics.  You ask stupider questions than
>anyone else we've ever had here, with no redeeming humor or enlightenment
>to offer us in return.
>
>G

The pot calling the kettle black, Graham?  Where's the redeeming
humor?  The enlightenment?  Been drinking from Karen's juice
bottle again?

-Mka
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:07:12 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thanatopsis

>> A poem should not mean, but be. [I'm plagiarizing again: keats, I think.
>> probably a <good thing> I'm *not* an English prof]
>
>Archibald MacLeish wrote that.
>
>-abh

Bzzzzzzzzzzt.  Our judges say no.  The correct answer is . . .
someone else.  E.E. Cummings?  Definitely *not* I.A. Richards.
But definitely somebody else.

-Nka
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