HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:00:20 GMT

In article 293@radian.uucp, markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
> In article <lch7osINN2g8@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep29.174908.19760@radian.uucp>, markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
> > > 
> > > Actually, Iwonder, if there is such a thing as reincarnation, if you
> > > have a choice nowadays, since there are more people alive, *now* than
> > > have *ever* lived. Or are there just *lots* of first-timers?
> > 
> > My theory is that it's linked to how much fewer animals there are now.  Most
> > of the people being born now really should have been wombats or spider monkeys
> > or tree frogs for a couple of dozen lifetimes yet.  It explains an awful
> > lot.
> > 
> > Dawn
> 
> Yes, it does. Just one question: what should Danny-boy Quale have been?
> 
> 		(B-)}
> 
> 	mark
> 
> 


A fish of course .... because Mars has water and where there is water there is air we can breathe ...
or so he said ....

 but some fish are too smart ...
 maybe a newt ...

 Steve C.

Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.drugs
From: duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois)
Subject: Re: Witchcraft & Hallucinogens
Keywords: atropine belladonna datura witchcraft
Reply-To: duve@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.231555.12495@zip.eecs.umich.edu> wmichael@emunix.emich.edu (Walter Michael) writes:
>       Be *very* careful when experimenting with
>     anything containing the class of compounds
>     contained in belladonna, datura, jimson weed 
>     etc. Speaking from experience... they definately
>     have a narrow range of tolerance depending largely
>     on your metabolism.
...
>                                  -Wally 
>                                   wmichael@emunix.emich.edu 
Jimsonweed (a datura) is, as mentioned, best ingested as a tea.  It is
important to determine the dosage of atropine and scopolamine that you
will receive since the recreational and lethal doses are reasonably
close.  In my experience it took several days before my eyesight was
back to normal and I felt confident in my ability to deal with the outside
world.  A VERY important caveat on the usage of datura is that set and
setting are, in my opinion, absolutely critical.  People who accidentally
ingest datura normally end up in the hospital with serious symptoms of
poisoning, while someone taking the herb under friendly conditions is much
more likely to have a pleasant trip.
The related herbs, atropa belladonna and aconite, can be easily made into
a tropical paste similar to that used by 'witches'.  Once again dosage 
must be carefully determined or your 'flight' might become permanent.
Normal symptoms include rapid and erratic heartbeat, difficulty breathing,
sensations of flight, mild hallucinations, sexual excitement, and an
altered perception of time.
My main recommendation is to carefully determine the dosage that you want
before touching any datura, belladonna, or aconite.  All three are potent
poisons (especially belladonna) and are only enjoyable if used with care.

In a couple of days, if people are interested, I can post some good        
references along with my personal growing and dosage information.

Michael DuVernois, LASR, Univ. of Chicago
m-duvernois@uchicago.edu
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Chris Lilley: relax
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:11:17 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Oct2.140527.1@fnalno.fnal.gov> holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov
(Daniel B. Holzman) writes: 

>Chris, your flames aren't helping move forward the discussion here, either.

>Perhaps you and Eshin BOTH should just try taking the discussion from the top,
>rather than argue over who's looking more foolish?

OK, I'll go with that. We both have made some valid points that were
just spun over by the other person, and both of us type too fast to spell
well :-)  And both have got too hot under the collar for our own good.

And for the record, sorry about mis-spelling sabaean and any problems
it may have caused people.

Can we try again?

--
Chris Lilley
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: another poem
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:33:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.162246.13899@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>
>Apparently Hillary Clinton and Barbara Bush had a contest to see who
>could make the best chocolate chip cookies.  This came about after
>Hillary's comment about not being a housewife.  (I don't know the
>exact quote).  After that, she's had to prove that she isn't against
>housewives by doing things like making cookies.

Since when is baking cookies a prereq for being a housewife?  My
boyfriend bakes `em; so do I.  If they want to compete to see who's the
better housewife, let's see them scrub toilets.

Blessings,
Janis
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:26:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <Rs7wRB16w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)
>
>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...

3/24/63, 4:12 am, Mobile, Alabama (don't know about the planets and such).

I think a gathering at Janis's is a great idea.  Being near the ocean makes
me feel so emotionally alive and powerful.

Barclay



-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:41:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <BvM9nK.4M6@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>
>Lightning is one of those things you really can't protect well against.

Yes, you can.  If an electrical storm comes up, GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER
AND UNPLUG THE DAMNED THING.  Go around your place and unplug all major
appliances, including the fridge.  When the storm passes, plug
everything back in again.  My family lost a fridge once like this when
we could ill afford to pay for another one.  

Just unplug everything you can.  Nothing is better protection than that.

Blessings,
Janis
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Scents
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:23:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.225321.4081@u.washington.edu> rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:
>Dittany is also known as Cretan oregano.  It makes a good spaghetti
>sauce, with the appropriate other ingredients to taste...

Is this spice readily available?  As the name I prefer to use for the
goddess concept is Diktynna (the old Cretan mountain mother of Mount
Dikte), this spice would be of great value to me. 

>Dictamnus alba is the botanical name usually used, but I've never
>actually looked it up to find out if it's the correct one.  My
>memory insists that's the way it's usually written, but it's
>if so it's either a grammatical oddity or "alba" isn't an adjective.

Is the spice white? 

Blessings,
Janis 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kcater@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kenneth Cater)
Subject: DIO
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 21:11:39 GMT


Ronnie James Dio is a Kabbalahist not a Taoist, just listen to the lyrics.

            Bless Be

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From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:22:58 GMT

Ailsa, Janis, and Bekki Lyn:

It's terrible that kids tortured you, especially over superficial stuff.  Why 
does our society get so damn hung up on how a woman looks?

(I have The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf but haven't read it yet; it's about
the expectations Western society has re: women's appearances.)

[apologies for the lost attributions]
>>|> > > It took me a long time to get used to the idea that it was okay to b
>>|> > > a female.  I had identified myself for so long with males, that I lo
>>|> > > down on other girls/women, I guess.  Now, I know that I was terribly
>>|> > > wrong to believe that.  I suppose I was just trying to forget the fa
>>|> > > that I was one of the "inferior ones" myself.

I relate to that in a big way.  As girls we're taught that it's not good to
be assertive, independent, confident about our opinions.  So who wants to be
a girl if you can't be strong in your sense of self?

>>|> > i still don't like traditional women (but then i don't like traditiona
>>|> > men either) and women with those meek little whispery voices very
>>|> > nearly drive me to violence.  i always want to slap them and tell them
>>|> > to speak up and stop being such wussy little fragile flowers.

I don't especially like traditional women, especially the ones who demure about
everything.  But sometimes I find myself doing that (and internally slap 
myself and reverse it by putting on a feminist-from-hell air or a very
intellectual air).  The meak whispery voice bit... well, I'm extremely soft
spoken.  It may have started from my abyssmal self-esteem when I was a child
but it's part of me now.  But I'm not a wussy fragile flower, either.  I just
don't talk loudly.

>>|> > l feel my stomach sink and get cold in the same old way.  I a
>>|> > > |> feel like there is that little kid that was me, and she's trapped
>>|> > > |> in the past with no one to protect her and tell her that she'll g
>>|> > > |> through what she's going through, and I have to protect her and g
>>|> > > |> a voice for all those silent years she spent suffering.

I relate to that.  Hugs to your inner child from me.

Barclay
-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: that quote about "foul enough for a witch to burn in."
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:20:39 GMT

I finally found it, and I wasn't even looking for it.  Remember that
time we were talking about faggot = fagot and where it came from, and if
it even came from the fagots that started fires?

I'm rambling.  Oh, well.  I found it and its reference in Rosalind
Miles's _The Women's History of the World_, at the VERY END of the
chapter entitled "The Sins of the Mothers."  I don't have the page
number with me as I'm typing this in at my apt and the book is at TMM's.

Blessings,
Janis

P.S.:  I also found a snuff reference in the 20th anniversary edition of
Ms. Magazine.  The pull date for the magaziune is *rim shot* September
29.  Look in the timeline under the 1976 section.


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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Trad and Non-Trad in Seattle [Was:  Request for Info - Samhain]
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:15:06 GMT

I hoped you'd say that, Ailsa -- that's what I think, too. And, in case I 
came off that way, let me clarify that I don't reject homosexual imagery at
all, or any other useful imagery. In fact, I find it useful and beautiful, and
I hate it when other folks want to tell me *I* can't use it because *I'm* not 
a practicing homosexual. Ideas should be free.

Happy you like my .sig; the poem is cited in _Feeding the Hungry Heart_, by
Geneen Roth, but it was written by another woman whose name escapes me just
at the moment. :-<  The flowers are my own. 

Marty

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From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 25 Sep 92 17:53:46 GMT
	<10411@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Organization: my nine is easy to load

In <B08JRB4w165w@ailanth.UUCP> 
ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>*chuckle*  yup.  and the problem is that a lot of non-mainstream
>>people wish desperately that they were part of it.  i don't understand
>>it myself.  a line from a poem i read in grade school comes to mind:
>>"and they're made of ticky-tacky and they all look the same."  granted
>>it is nice to be like SOMEONE, but why be like everyone?

In article <10411@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> erik@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>My contribution, for now, is that the quote is from a Mama Lion something
>song about rows of suburban houses. She's written some good stuff. And i

Hmm, it's a folk song about South San Francisco, I thought it was Peter,
Paul and Mary.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Subject: Re: INTODUCTION
Originator: blchapma@c00028-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:17:19 GMT


In article <0096119F.56E7C320@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:

|>      A delight to meet you! Ren & Stimpy, Anyone?

"What'll we do 'till *then*?"
"You can play with your Magic Nose Goblins."

HAPPY HAPPY

JOY JOY
-- 

Bekki Lyn

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"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:44:13 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <2AC736B6.20151@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>After hearing so many net men personally flame me for all the times they
>got turned down for a date because they didn't make enough money or
>drive a nice enough car, I have a real hard time taking this seriously.
>The next time that cute little number you're interested in laughs at you
>and then turns around and dates the schmendrick in the next cubicle who
>drives a BMW, tell me this again with a straight face.

	I've had that sort of thing happen, but isn't me saying "Doing that
is wrong" much the same as somebody telling you YOU'RE wrong for going into
hard sciences and being independant?  Self-servingly going after somebody
only for their money isn't a nice thing do to especially if you mis-lead
and/or injure other people in the process.  Hmmm.. There is a difference,
but going into science, your only bruising egos, but by telling somebody
you love them then sleeping with the gardner, your doing worse..  
	I need to think more about this.  Anyway, what I was trying to say
is that not all women who seem to fit the "proper" roles do so because they've
been beaten into it.  Some see it as a way to get by in this society with
a minimum of problems and a maximum of benifits.
	Would you please clarify what you were saying for me?  Maybe by
saying what you THOUGHT I was saying?  :)

Blessings,
/\/\ichael
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From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson)
Subject: Re: Odin, a Swedish Pastry Chef?
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:07:30 GMT

evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura) writes:

>Greetings to All and to Fred and Wilma!

>I just found this on alt.ripley.believe.it.or.not, so it must be true :-)
>Ek oja sisi ht.               Can it be?...Thorfinn  8)
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>Newsgroup: alt.ripley.believe.it.or.not
>Subject: Odin, a Swedish Pastry Chef?
>Organization: The Swedish True Enquirer

>27-Sept-92
>(GEUTER NEWS SERVICE) Archaeologists working at a dig near Figtuna, Sweden,
>today discovered an important book inside a mead container. The book, called
>*Kakamal*, which is a 5th century CE Swedish cake recipe book, was authored
>by Oden Burssen, a famous contemporary Swedish pastry chef. The dig-site
>was a 5th century CE combination mead hall/bakery. The *Kakamal* translation
>raised questions concerning the Germanic God *Wodhanaz. Apparently Oden's
>mead hall/bakery was famous throughout northern Europe, and somehow the
>legends were mythologized. 

They can't spell neither _Reuter_ nor _Sigtuna_, so it must be
correct, n'est ce pas? ;) The _Kakamal_ word pun on _Havamal_ was
funny!

--Ceci

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From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Danger of Repression
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:05:21 GMT
Summary: religious fanatics
Keywords: education

I saw something on the `Family Channel' as I was flipping through my
late nite round of the cable which woke me up. Typically, whenever I
see someone preaching about anything on TV, I will just flip by, but
for some reason I decided to tune in for a moment. What was happening
was that they were doing a word by word analysis of a guided meditation
which is apparently being used in a school program somewhere and 
pointing out how this was so Dangerous to our kids and you better watch
closely these insidious messages.

I thought it was kind of a hoot at first, since it was actually a very
nice meditation which asks the person to visualize a beautiful field,
and sitting by a babbling brook, and finding rocks on the ground with
words on them like `happy' and `safe' and `awful' and choosing for  
themselves how they wanted to deal with these emotions by either putting
the rock for each word in the basket or throwing it in the stream. depending
on whether you wanted to keep or disregard that emotion. I thought it would
be something I would LOVE to have someone present in my own childs class.

But the presenter was twisting the whole thing up and saying that this
was hypnosis and that in fact what was happening was that the person
conducting this meditation was biasing the child participant with their
own agenda and besides, the street slang for `crack' is `rock' and there
was a subtle message there that you can pick your own reality through
using `crack'..Whoaaa..!! Then they went on to tell about all of these
amazing books and tapes they have which will `hip' parents to the
subtle `new age/occult' philosophies being foisted on our unsuspecting
children and where to look for it and what they can do about it. What
they were basically doing was selling a series of stuff which could have
been called `How to conduct your own witch hunt!'.

I was completely unaware that the witch hunters were so well organized.
Wow..this is scary to me. I guess I now know why my sister wanted to
have a teacher dismissed in her son's school because she had a ouija board
in her game closet. Nothing more really to say. Just `be careful out there'.

Blessed Be

/al

-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: just wondering
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:43:10 GMT

Anyone else see Saturday Night Live?  I'm not just talking about Sinead
O'Connor -- the whole SHOW was heavy.  They are really scared, here.  Of
course, it helped that the actor from "Bob Roberts" was on . . . 

Blessings,
Janis
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:03:42 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> I guess it depends on when you "curse". I do so when I am displeased
> with something - like when I foolishly hit myself on the thumb with
> a hammer. I do not curse when I am angry. So, to me, there is nothing
> serious in a curse - the subconscious does not have the chance to
> act.

Hi Bill

You miss the whole point.  The comment "the subconscious does not have
the chance to act" is meaningless.  If you were to say "The CONSCIOUS
mind doesn't have the chance to act" then I'd accept it.  But my
point is that the SUBconscious is the part of you which acts first
in quick decisions, such as the decision whether or not to curse.
The point of the curse is irrelevant.

I am also not making any claim about how "serious" it is.

Blessings!

		-- radzy

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	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
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