HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: meggert@hto-06.usc.edu (Mark Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Al Parker signature wrestling shoes
Date: 31 Aug 1992 10:08:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hto-06.usc.edu

  On a sunny weekday afternoon in '85 or '86 I found myself in Hollywood
at about 4pm. I had been on work errands and realised that I would not
make it back to the office in the traffic before 5. I decided to drive to
Griffith Park where I would sometimes go to meditate.*
  The sky over Los Angeles was very clear that day. I found the mountain
road deserted. It seemed the perfect time to meditate so I parked in an
open area with a view of the LA basin. There was only one vehicle, a white
van, in the whole place so I figured I'd be undisturbed.
  Once I got out of my car Al Parker got out of the van. I suddenly realised
where I'd seen that white van before. Perhaps meditation was not the plan
after all, I thought.
  Al was always my favorite porn star, though I did not see many of his
films. I had mostly seen still photos, but I thought he was the most handsome
man I'd ever seen.
  Al was followed by another handsome man. I think he had a couple of
German Shepherds with him as well. It was clearly a family outing.
Nonetheless, I was a wreck.
  I walked up to look at the scenery (L.A., not Al). Al looked at me and said
"Beautiful, isn't it". I somehow managed to agree, but was seriously
tongue-tied.
  I wanted to at least get his autograph. I went back to my car and found a
pen but didn't have anything to write on. I was in the gay wrestling club at
the time and had my shoes in the car. I went back to Al and told him I thought
he was really hot (or something silly like that) and asked if he'd sign one
of my wrestling shoes. He did.
  I considered those my lucky wrestling shoes. I wore them whenever I'd
wrestle.
  A year or so after seeing Al in Griffith Park I was fortunate to be in a
leather contest with him as emcee.**
  It has been years since I've wrestled or been in leather or even seen a
porn video, but I think I'll look for those shoes in the back of my closet
when I get home tonight.

* Really.
**If I could just get this digitizer fixed...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: the openness of USENET
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:29:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.173544.14997@spdcc.com>, fredh@spdcc.com (Fred
Huntington), responding to BBC, writes:

> Um.  I have suspected for more than a year that you were gay.

Fred, you're so observant. :-)
From: trey@peregrine.peregrine.com (Trey Chapman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: BANK OF AMERICA changes mind on Boy Scouts!
Date: 24 Aug 92 14:25:48 GMT
Reply-To: trey@peregrine (Trey Chapman)
Organization: Peregrine Systems, Inc.

In article <gtgyzwj@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>
>>BofA Changes Mind on Scouts After Reviewing Policy on Gays
>>	The Bank of America has reversed its controversial de-
>>cision to withhold donations to the Boy Scouts of America, 
>>after deciding that the organization does not discriminate 
>>against homosexual youths.
>>
>

Update....

We called BofA and indeed they have changed their policy to again support
the Boy Scouts. When asked why, they stated that this was the sam policy 
that Wells Fargo Bank had also agreed to. They were a little shaken when 
they learned that I had posted to the network (maybe afraid of a few more
phone calls). They were told that I would be closing my account, and said
that they would get back to us. (That was thursday.... still no call)!

We then called Wells Fargo Bank. They stated that no matter what BofA had
stated that they HAD NOT changed their opinion on support of the Boy
Scouts. They were STILL NOT going to support them until they changed their
policy on discrimination.
	-trey
-- 
*************************************************************
Trey Chapman				trey@peregrine.com
1959 Palomar Oaks Way, Carlsbad, CA	(619) 431-2400 x145
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: RE: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:18:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.030857.17434@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> I have gotten several pieces of email from various folks who are "silent
> lurkers" on this newsgroup; that is, they read but never post (or so they
> tell me).  

Yeah, but I've gotten hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of email
from people who don't post because you make them embarrassed
to be homosexual.

Heels up, Boob!
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Some offhand good news
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:53:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug26.135333.7182
Organization: insert anything here


	There were 8 letters to the editor to day in the Boston Globe.
All of them in one way or another condemned the RNC platform, the
Bush reelection, or the "family values" thing.  All 8 were written
by womyn.

	Five of these 8 explicitly mentioned gays or homosexuality,
all in a positive light.  None of the letters mentioned if the author
were lesbian or bisexual.

	To me this was a good sign - while the Globe is much more
GBLO*-supportive/tolerant than the Boston Tabloid (er Herald), it is
good to read that we are being included.  I presume most of these letters
were written by heterosexual womyn, maybe half.  One would think that
if the author were anti-gay or shy on the issue (i.e. probably gay-tolerant
butnot wanting to go on public record as showing any supprt) she/he
would simply leave out the "g" word.  The fact that five of these womyn
chose to put it in (the other three never enumerated any list of groups,
so it's not really fair to compare them against the other five) shows
that 1) we are an "issue", 2) we are "recognized" and 3) we *are* supported
by the mainstream.

	Optimistically, one might hope that when push comes to shove,
the "real Americans" will stand by us.  Certainly incomparison to the
atrocities from last week (theRNC, BoA's waffling, OR:9, CO:2, the
repeal failure in Springfield OR, etc.), this week is having it's
high points!

	We need to encourage our mainstream sisters and brothers to 
start making supportive grumblings.  We need to cast off the voices
of hatred once and for all.   

BBC
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: lesbians and polyamory anthology
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:20:20 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Everybody,

I thought I'd pass this information along, it's from a poster I
picked up at the Womyn's Music Festival.

  A call for submissions: for a new anthology
  "Can't Eat Just One"
  Lesbians discuss non-monogamy

  send SASE and two copies of songs, poems, stories, journal entries

  Theory, practice, fantasy
  How Poly-eroticism works in your life,
  Multiple emotional and/or sex partners
  Logistics, boundaries, jealousy, safe se, etc.

  Send to:  Mariposa
            P.O. Box 1015
            Santa Cruz, CA  95061

  Deadline 2/14/93
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:16:34 GMT

In article <65036@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
>>Frank is sensitive to it, having been called "Frank
>>Swill" at at least one point in soc.motss history.
>>Tempting, huh?
>
>I am sensitive to it, yes, but until I joined soc.motss, I hadn't
>heard any of the many brainless variations of "Frank Swilling" since
>high school.  Are you seriously suggesting that you, a college-educated
>adult woman, are tempted to make fun of my name?  I am truly sorry to
>hear this, Melinda.

Frank, get over it.  Leave your high school baggage back in high school.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
(can you guess what fun got made of my name? I *KNEW* you could)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: NYC MOTSS DINNER, 9/5 7PM SUNG HAI
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:30:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Sep2.191938.29006@panix.com>
Distribution: na

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
) ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) presents a partial list of
) visiting and local dignitaries who are (or may be) dining at Sung
) Hai-- by the way it's Tenth Street and West Street, not 10th Ave.--
) this Saturday at 7pm.  Wow, I'm impressed. 

) I know that Marty doesn't mind that people think his name is
) Chibnik, but I do hope that George will forgive you his i-e
) reversal.  Or maybe it's his e-i reversal?

Certainly not.  I have already remonstrated with Ry, and
I think I shall have to punish him.  Ry, can you spell "role
reversal"?

) And I *love* being called Momma Bear (whether or not I deserve it).

But who shall be Goldilocks?
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:40:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug25.204037.1654
Organization: insert anything here

orr@perlis.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) writes:
>I tend to agree.  I have seen more and more masculine homosexuals lately.
>In fact, we have a group in Grand Rapids that is supportive in nature
>for gays in their teens.  One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
>refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.

	You mean all the lesbians in your group have to call each other
"he"?  Isn't that a little stupid?

	This must be another version of the word "support" to which I
was not previously aware.

	I find it amazing that a group of people that want to help
another group of people live in a judgemntal and harassment-free
existence, think they can facilitate such by placing a different
yet still restrictive set of aribtrary social rules on them.

	What a farce.

BBC
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:13:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.Bto39z.M3A
Distribution: soc
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5


   I wrote:
> Hoping to offer a note of encouragement (but irrelevant to Canada)...
> From what I hear, there seem to be more and more court decisions
> granting custody to lesbians and gay men.  Maybe I'm not hearing about
> the cases which go against us.  

Sorry folks, I have to admit I had my U.S.-centric blinders on.  I was
only writing about conditions in the U.S.
 
 Mike Drayton     
 mdrayton@sr.hp.com    Hewlett-Packard Co.    Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:03:53 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


Amazing the nonsense that gets taught in school these days, isn't it?
This piece of trash was originally posted to soc.motss (of course).
It exemplifies why liberalism = fascism.

In article <37261@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
> But back to A Hitler, to counter the Republican nonsense about
> spending, Hitler and company took Germany's 40% unemployment in
> 1933 to 1% in 1936 via public works spending. Also, there was an

It's amazing how many jobs you can create building concentration
camps and weapons of war.

> aggressive government management of business. In fact that ideology

Hey, you forgot aggressive government management of people as well.

> is still in use to a certain degree in Germany, but even more so in
> Japan. The Axis powers may have had their armies distroyed but the
> social structure has essentially remained. It would seem that only
> in the USA do we still retain the idea that business is it's own
> best boss (well mabye in England too, isn't that what the 
> Thatcher miracle is all about?)
> -- 
> 
> John Clark
> jclark@ucsd.edu

Yeah, just what we need -- more apologists for fascism.  What's
a few tens of millions dead if everyone else is still employed?

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:21:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug27.192138.6751
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

(I was going to change the Subject: header, but I rather like the idea
of a silent majority agreeing on my tastiness)

In article <mike02383920726200153@batpad.lgb.ca.us> mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor) writes:
>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>I just that delicious little lad from Reed would post more often.
>>Nelson, isn't it?  He sounds, in a word: *yummy*
>He *is* yummy.

I'm told that I taste good with mango juice, as well.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/  Look, over there, it's a real dog and it's really talking
From: QAA@psuvm.psu.edu (Tim Bieling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: We homosexuals *can* have fun in bed!
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:25:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <wood.715009714@jfred>, wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) says:
>
>My boyfriend David & I had a funny incident this morning in bed.  When he
>dreams near waking hours (and I'm often awake then at 6:00 a.m.), he
>often continues his dreams in real conversation with me while still half
>asleep.  When I gave him a little peck on the cheek this morning while lying
>beside him, he told me, "We'd better evacuate the building because of the
>flood," apparantly having dreamed about Hurricane Andrew.  "But honey," I
>said, "we live on the second floor.  Why do we have to evacuate?"  He
>replied, "So we don't get wet.  Do you have any other questions?"
>[humorous early morning convo deleted]
>
>At this point I returned to my side of the bed for a little chuckle, and
>realized that yes, we homosexuals can have a lot of fun in bed, and it's
>not even sex.

Jim,

That was great!  Scary thing is that I am exactly that way in the
morning - I've had complete telephone conversations with people and
later they tell me about them (much to my embarrassment) :)  I've
also been told that I talk in my sleep, carrying on conversations which
obviously make no sense at all (gotta wonder why someone would continue
such a convo tho :)

-Tim
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:39:10 GMT

In <1992Aug28.195245.15205@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>Bwhahahahahahaha!  That's a good one, did they teach you that at
>milton-bradley U?  If you said it was just a facet of your personality
>to dislike spics, niggers, kikes and/or homos, how good a defense
>do you think that would be?  

Did I say anything about *discrimination*?  And this relates to
*personality* (of which you have none), not a state of being.

Wake up.

--

 ________________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ "Are you afraid I'm jeopardizing my secret identity, Ned?  I don't     \/
     *have* one, remember?"  --The Black Condor, _Black Condor_ #5
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:55:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:

>Matthew Melmon thinks aloud:
>>And while I agree with Quayle's attack on the 'Cultural Elite' - I doubt
>>it was his original conception.  I am *not* in the 11%.

>On Friday, I listened to an interesting interview with Marvin Liebman
>(67 years old, Jewish, gay, devoutly republican, considered by many to
>be one of the founders modern political conservatism, and author of a
>new book called _Coming_Out_Conservative_) on NPR's "Fresh Aire from
>WHYY."  After offering his opinion of the RNC and Buchannan's speach
>("naked bigotry"), and sharing his views on "family values" (hate...
>hate...hate), he explained what he thought the Republicans meant by
>"cultural elite."  He said it was an attack on Hollywood and Jews,
>since they control Hollywood (and he added parenthetically that all
>Hollywood Jews are gay), or otherwise the well-educated free thinkers.

I (also a devoutly gay Jew, though - as has already been established -
not 67) would agree with Mr. Liebman that the 'Cultural Elite' *includes*
Hollywood.  Certainly, the Murphy Brown allusion concerns the Film and
Television industries.  I would expand the geography, however, to
include the New York-Washington media 'Beltway.'  I think whoever gave
Quayle the 'Cultural Elite' line would also include this strip.

As to the anti-semetic overtones - hogwash.  Hollywood is no longer
Jewish.  It was, but it ain't no more.  There are still a lot of 
Jews (and, speaking from experience, it *does* seem a lot of them
are homosexual...).  That's true; but Jewish Hollywood is a thing
of the past. Ironically, the not-so-Republican black demagogues also
have a thing against 'Jewish Hollywood.'  We are, you see, responsible
for painting black America in an unfavorable light...

But I digress.

I do not think that either Hollywood nor the Beltway are producing
material worthy of the film/paper it is printed upon.  It's crap.
It's sensationalist.  It appeals to what *they* believe to be the
lowest common denominator.  In short, I find the 'Cultural Elite'
patronizing and arrogant.  

Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
Speaking not for the Big Guys who Make the Decisions, but just me
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:54:29 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

Well atleast on the good side voting in November will be very simple,
check everything not in the Republican column :-)

I think we are at a turning point but I don't know if its going to
go for better or for worst. The Republicans do seem to have caused
a backlash with there hatred, but I'm also very scared of what will
happen if they end up winning. 
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From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:18:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecst.1992Aug30.111843.27961
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <92242.093915IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
>personally, i can think of little i woudl like LESS than to be
>fucked.  made love to, perhaps, depending on who was offering,
>but fucked?  no, thank you.  i'll just have the brussel sprouts.
>
>                                        -ailsa

This just reminds me of what my friends consider one of their favorite
things that I've said:

No sex please.  Pass the butter.

(Idunno, it's just one of those days I guess)

Steph
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:56:32 GMT

drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:
:According to mail from Brian sent on 8/15 to the ba.motss.cultural.elite
:mailing list:

:	Well, I'm outta here and on my way to Europe for to work for a while
:	so GatLB is going on a little vacation.  We'll do something when I
:	return .. probably around the time of the Folsom Street Fair.

:So, assuming Brian can pry himself away from the charms of Amsterdam,
:there will be a dim sum.

Hey, don't pin this one on me, it is not me that is keeping him here.
You see he's not here, he's in Breda. That's about an hour and a half
away, which in this country means *far*. I've seen entirely far to
little of him.

He's returning the around the 13th.
							FJ!!
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Geography (was Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!)
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:22:24 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <41919@ogicse.ogi.edu>,
markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
> I was just looking through my copy of the
> "Purity of the Pacific Northwest Oath and Way of Life" handbook
> ... I noticed that under the second signature line for affirmation of Pacific
> Northwest Cultural Purity (just above where you get it notorized),

Help!  I didn't get notorized!
And I was trying *so* hard when I was there.
Can someone put in a bad word for me please?

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about." -- Oscar Wilde
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Upcoming Libertarian Gala in SF
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:56:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug31.035613.14364
Organization: insert anything here

In article <1992Aug30.000548.7594@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) wrote: 
>->It would be amusing is some of the Libs popped next door for a bit...

>amusing, indeed ... but that's about it.  there's nothing in this for
>queers (the libertarians have this idea that everyone would act
>rationally and reasonably if they were in control, so laws which
>protect the civil rights of gay and lesbian people aren't necessary.)

	This plus the fact that almost every Libertarian I've discussed
this issue with eventually starts on this "right of non-association"
crap...  Apparently, everyone has the right to say "no" to having
to do with anyone or any group they want to as a "personal liberty".
While this maeks sense within one's personal jurisdiction, the Libertarians
seem loathe to point out that in issues like employment or housing,
the jurisdiction shouldn't outweigh anti-discrimination against said persons
or group.

	In the end it ends up being a "right to discriminate".

	Blech.

BBC
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FYI: The Gay Pilots' Association
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 21:46:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Steve Hoey makes my day a little brighter with these words:

>There's a relatively new organization out there that hasn't yet received much
>publicity in the aviation community, or in the gay community.  It's GPA -- the
>Gay Pilots' Association.

>Steve Hoey

Oboy oboy oboy oboy!  I wanna be a charter member of their Mile High Club!

:-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss