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From: silveanu@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Adrian Silveanu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: I need connections!!!!!!
Summary: connections
Keywords: connections
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago

Hello!
Could somebody please tell me a site, E-mail, and/or telenet site in the now 
former Yugoslavia? I can be in Belgrade or Zagreb, or maybe in Sarajevo.

Has anybody out there lived in sarajevo?

Also, if you are planning to send me E-mail, please send it to my E-Mail 
address, because I don't usually read this newsgroup.

Thanks a TON!

Adrian Silveanu

P.S. I have Cyrillic TTF, if anybody is interested in it. I am also looking for     the Latin Characters.

P.P.S. Does anybody have Cyrillic and/or Latin in ATM format?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: svangav@eng.clemson.edu (sreedhar vangavolu)
Subject: Hai !!! I am new
Reply-To: svangav@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:13:34 GMT


	Hello There!

		I am new to this group and would like to catch-up with the latest
	and hot discussions that are going on the group. I hope that you will enjoy
	my views as I enjoy yours.


	Sree,
	India.
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: For the Last Time
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:40:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:

>Guys, we should stop posting to this net.  When we do post 

[a lot of "simply pathetic stuff deleted]

>That basicaly sums up my fealings.  I won't be responding to any messages 
>on this newsgroup anymore. 

GOOOOD RIDANCE!


>U           U
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>--
>damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
>Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.


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Ana M. Shane                     voice: (215) 843-2909
        pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: MIRacles No. 13
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:43:08 GMT

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) writes:
>What about the threat that Macedonia will ally with other countries, even if
>it's not a threat in itself?

It is also a threat that Greece may ally with Serbia. It is also
a threat that Canada may ally with Mexico to cut the US in two.
There might be also be Martians coming tomorrow to slaughter us
all.

Do you think we should base our reasoning on Greek paranoia?

>I have seen, in this very newsgroup, propaganda posted which refers to
>Alexander the Great and which claims that Greeks oppress a Macedonian
>minority in the Greek part of Macedonia.  These certainly sound like attempts
>at claims on Greek Macedonia....

From the government in Skopje?

If we should draw conclusions about Greece from all propaganda and
lies posted from some Greek nutheads, there might one or two actions
we should take against Greece.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...

Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9105 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:310
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 11:04:41 CDT
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Solution in Bosnia

I want to throw up for discussion as to what the solution for Bosnia
should be. I.e Bombing Serbia etc. As much as I enjoy reading what
the Cro-netters have to say, I want a more intellectual discussion
on the Bosnian crisis, so let's show the world we can be intellectual
and bash the Serbs at the same time.

         --Uvijek Za Dom--

         --Always for the homeland--


-Chicago Cro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: mitrovic@tik.ethz.ch (Srdjan Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: A call to sanity III.
Organization: TIK, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:04:09 GMT

In article <718919930@thames.cs.duke.edu> ag@duke.cs.duke.edu (Arman Glodjo)
writes:
>Subject:	A call to Sanity III.
>
>I would like to express my thanks to all of you who have
>e-mailed me in response to my A call to Sanity I and II.
>
>Unfortunately there still are a lot of you who mail all 
>kind of ugly material on the net.  To all of you who 
>still insist on pro-ustasha and chetnik propaganda,
>try to petition to get a soc.brainless.mudthrowing.to.no.point.adinfitium.YU
>and leave us alone.
>
>THIS LETTER IS AIMED TO ANSWER CHICAGO-CRO's question what can be done in 
>Bosna.  This, of course is a million dollar question.
>
>I will open the debate(constructivly), and I welcome opposing and other views.
>
>First:	The negotiating team, lead by Lord Carrington has to be deemed in a
severe
>conflict of interest and disbanned.  Reason: Lord Carrington, his immediate
family and
>associate hold a vast interest in Zastava auto, mines and other
energo-economic
>interests.  These are all in serbia.  I guess it takes little brain power to
realise
>where their intersts lie.

What is the source of these informations? I think that Lord Carrington 
resigned pretty long time ago from the negotiating team. Or
is this a very delayed posting?

>
>Looking forward for more opinions.
>AG 
>10-4 Hasana Kikica
>71000 Sarajevo
>BiH
>(This building I grew up in.  It is no more.)
>

Srdjan

Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9030 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:260
From: rdowlati@rd.hydro.on.ca (Ramin Dowlati)
Subject: Re: cleansing
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:22:07 GMT

In article <1aj3opINN1jb@aludra.usc.edu> draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic) writes:
>Moslem-Croat troops have ethnically "cleansed" over 70 Serbian villages, as
>reported in The London Times(7/26).This includes the cities of Travnik, Novi
>Vitez, Zenica, Kupres and Vares.

What you meant to say was that the Moslem-Croat forces just took back what
was rightfully theirs in the first place. The so-called Serbian refugees
'pouring' into Serbia, are simply going back to their original homes, before
they decided to take over land which did not belong to them.

-Cheers
-Ramin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R)
Subject: Re: The slaughter continues
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:43:33 GMT

In article <1b085cINN3qi@sal-sun30.usc.edu> draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic) writes:
>The slaughter of Serbs in Bihac continued yesterday.For its atrocity
>it remainds of the similar massacre that took place in the river Una
>valley in 1941/1942.
>Yesterday alone, 130-150 Serbian civilians from Bihac have been murde-
>red in the most brutal way.
>(Politika Ekspres, October 1, 1992.)

Translation: "We now plan to ethnically cleanse all of Northern Bosnia
              including the NW around Bihac, so we will throw out any
              excuse to justify our continued genocide."

I'm sure something must have been lost in the Serbian-English translation.

/Joe Blazic
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Croats opened fire on UN helicopters
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:07:54 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun30.usc.edu

Croatian Deputy Prime Minister-Mr. Ivan Milas confirmed the reports that on 
Monday at 5:13 PM, fire had been opened against two UN helicopters from a
Croatian Army camp in the village of Dubrave.The two helicopters were flying
from Daruvar to Zagreb.He offered apologies to the representatives of the
UN forces.
(Politika Ekspres, October 1, 1992)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9031 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:262
From: dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic)
Subject: Re: For the Last Time
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:53:24 GMT

In article <H4wFsB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us>, damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:
|> 
|> Fact:
|>   The Serbs are responsible for their own deaths in WW II, i.e. they 
|> asked for it.
|> 
|> Fact:
|>   The Serbs must pay dearly for thier crimes against Croatia and 
|> Herceg-Bosna.
|> 
|> Fact:
|>   Serbians=Trash=crap="stoka"
|> This definition applys for the vast majority of Serbians.  The few Serbs 
|> that don't fit this discription are a unheard minority.
|> 
|>  etc...
|> 

As a Croat, it is my duty to protest about people that express their sick
and frustrated opinions in the name of other Croats.  If you were Serbian,
I might let you get by without commenting a word, but since you are a Croat,
you make us look very bad.  Luckily, people like you are quite in minoroity,
but unfortunately very loud.  And the saddest part about your article is 
that you don't realize that your sick descriptions of Serbs apply to you in 
so many ways...

Regards,
--- Davor

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: U42824@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Solution in Bosnia
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:29:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92289.152946U42824
 <92287.110142U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <92289.134457U42824@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

From the REAL user at this id, not his lucifer thing. I have my own views on
things like this but I'm not the extremist type to put them on this net.
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 10:28:29 EST
From: <ADMN8686@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Demented Damir

>      It would appear that the credibility of net.Croats
>      converges to zero.
>
>
>-- Eduard

Once upon a time, as written before in SCY, there were many Croats
who attempted to use solid facts to portray the situation as they
see it. We've abandoned that strategy, as we come up against
people such as you.

I've followed your thread of rubbish postings, and responding to them
is a literal waste of time. We don't care. Croats have a future in their
own country, Serbia's future is at best tremendously bleak.

And by the way, the credibility of those whose roots are in the surname
Weiner are not any better of at all. I'm not so sure they'd be
thanking you either.


Tom Grgic
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: The slaughter continues
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:58:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun30.usc.edu

The slaughter of Serbs in Bihac continued yesterday.For its atrocity
it remainds of the similar massacre that took place in the river Una
valley in 1941/1942.
Yesterday alone, 130-150 Serbian civilians from Bihac have been murde-
red in the most brutal way.
(Politika Ekspres, October 1, 1992.)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9121 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:318
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 11:01:42 CDT
From: <U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <Ibrahim Sokolovic>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Solution in Bosnia

In article <92286.110441U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago
Cro) says:
>
>I want to throw up for discussion as to what the solution for Bosnia
>should be. I.e Bombing Serbia etc. As much as I enjoy reading what
>the Cro-netters have to say, I want a more intellectual discussion
>on the Bosnian crisis, so let's show the world we can be intellectual
>and bash the Serbs at the same time.
>
>         --Uvijek Za Dom--
>
>         --Always for the homeland--
>
>
>-Chicago Cro


In response to this I will propose that Serbia be humbly punished for it's
crime against defenseless people.  Why don't we place a trade embargo.

-if that's intellectual( that's all we get from Washington) then I would like
 no part of it, please.  In some cases you have to go a little non-intellectual
 to get justice.  Why don't we all pitch in and buy an old Russian Nuclear
 Warhead ( or more than one if the donations are good) and just Nuke the damned
 Serbs and all those politicians who have the power to do something good for
 once.  Barbarianism can sometimes be justified, you know.

Send your contributions to the Bosnian Nuclear Assoc.
                               P.O. Box  XXXX
                               Washington D.C. XXXXX

P.S.  All your donations are tax deductible! What a country we live in.

M. A. R.
T. Y. R.

_ Ibrahim Sokolovik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: keserovi@ipc5.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croat Forgery II
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:14:19 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <718313493@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
>
>Dear Croat forger:
>
>
>      I am now convinced that there is no law you wouldn't break,
>no principle of human decency you wouldn't violate, no crime you
>wouldn't commit, no nation you wouldn't insult to rationalize
>your own black hatred.  My Jewish ancestry has already been
>subjected to racist slurs by one Croat; another claims I told
>him that my grandfather killed Croats in Jasenovac; a third
>now poses as the President of the Republic of Serbia to deride
>my support of Serb fears of Croatia on this net.  To these
>marginal charges and insults, I say this:  YOU ARE MEN WITHOUT
>AN OUNCE OF COURAGE OR CHARACTER.  YOU CANNOT EVEN TAKE
>RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OBSCENITIES AND RACIAL INSULTS YOU
>DISBURSE.  YOUR ONLY UNIFYING CONVICTION IS HATRED FOR SERBS
>AND JEWS, and in this situation, I stand with the Serbs.  I
>do not agree with Serb aggression in Bosnia, but I can see
>a world of difference between the courteous postings of netters
>like Vidic, Shane, Pavlovic, Draskovic, and others and the
>filth of Chicago Cro, Matanic, and other Croats.
>
>
>-- Eduard Wiener


  And where is your proof of this Croatian forgery ??

  There is just as much chance that the message was posted by a Serb.
  But, no, you have made up your pittiful excuse for a mind that it 
  was an evil Croat.....

  Produce some evidence that the message was posted by a Croat, and not
  a Serb, or stop your bullshit. 

  This crap above is pathetic....The Serb-Barbarian-Chetniks are
  destroying OUR country, and exterminating OUR people NOW, not 50
  years ago. Don't talk to us about violating crimes, and having no
  human decency, because what the Serbs are doing at the moment is 
  the most disgusting example of barabarism that the world has seen
  for generations. Our families and relative are being exterminated 
  by those animals, and here you are defending them and their
  supporters.

  You are a truely evil (or completely brainwashed) person Eduard.

  Please leave us alone in this newsgroup. 
  You have your soc.culture.yugoslavia to vomit your lies and
  propaganda......Just like the real thing. 
 
  Like the song says : "Stici ce vas bozija pravda, To vec svako zna !" 

  Bog i Hrvati - Za Dom SPREMNI !!!
  -Goran 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: davidovi@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dragomir J Davidovic)
Subject: Re: Yu films in USA
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.032954.14862@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> I wrote:
>Hi,
>I would like to find movies from what used to be Yugoslavia,
>with transcripts in english. In local video stores selection
>is very small. If anyone knows the list of such movies
>available in US, or knows a way how to get them, please
>inform me.

Someone sent me mail about a place in NYC that I should check out, but
I had some problems with the mailer and I lost their message. To whoever
it was that sent me this mail, thanks, and could you please send me the
info again?

Thanks.

Dragomir.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: a second call to sanity
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:57:38 GMT

Hallo out there:
I have recently registered for this group because as somebody born in Italy 
I have long been interested in Yugoslavia. I thought that through this 
group I could obtain some insights into the tragic events that Yugoslavia (
all of it) has gone through and is still going through. What I have found is 
a miniature replica of what is going on in Yugoslavia. The only difference 
is that in Yugoslavia is tragic, here is simply pathetic. Here is a group 
of educated people who are supposed to understand and mend past tragedies 
and errors who fall prey to the same passions and seem unable to come out 
of the heavy weight of the past. The greatest insight I have derived so far 
from this group is that no end is in sight because nobody is left with a 
cool head around. We are lucky that all you have to throw at each other are 
words on this network. If there is any cool head left why not start a 
discussion on how to overcome the past ... and the present.-- 
************************************************************************
* Dr. OSVALDO CROCI			*	(709) 737 8188	        *	
* Department of Political Science	*			        *
* Memorial University of Newfoundland	*				*
* St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada A2X 3B9				*			       *
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From: U43587@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Shut up, Cro
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:47:14 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Listen Weiner,  Stop using the NET for your unsupported Croatian/Bosnian
Bashing, We all here, have got the message: you are a Serb loving Russian Jew
that holds a double standard.
Put an end to it.  We have more important things to talk about.

M. A. R.
T. Y. R.
-Ibrahim Sokolovic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9112 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:315
From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Solution in Bosnia
Date: 12 Oct 1992 17:48:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Talk is Cheap....

In article <92286.110441U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:

>I want to throw up for discussion 

Please don't throw up.... :-)

>as to what the solution for Bosnia
>should be. I.e Bombing Serbia etc. As much as I enjoy reading what
>the Cro-netters have to say, I want a more intellectual discussion
>on the Bosnian crisis, so let's show the world we can be intellectual
>and bash the Serbs at the same time.

A simple solution would be to supply the Bosnians with small
arms, food, medical supplies, etc.  This is what the U.S. did in
Central America for years, spending billions and billions of
dollars to 'fight oppression.'  But their policy for muslims is
different.

If Croatia doesn't want to supply anything, they can simply let
the supplies headed for Bosnia go through.  If the Serbs aren't
being cut off from outside help, why should the Bosnians be?

If Croatia REALLY wants to help, it can start by joining the
muslims, croats and serbs in Bosnia in their attempts to drive 
out the invaders.

Think they'll do any of the above?  Not until Bosnia has all but
finished the job, they won't....  Then they'll suddenly decide to
join the winning team.

-AQ

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
From: feldstei@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ronald f. feldstein)
Subject: Re: Made in Macedonia 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:54:50 GMT

In article <9228301.14805@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:
>
>MADE IN MACEDONIA
>a practical example of an off the shelf product 'Made in Macedonia'.
>'Vanilla - Vafel proizvod s chokoladnim prelivom' is written on the
>side, 

It seems rather strange that this would be written in Serbo-Croatian, and
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9108 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:313
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Solution in Bosnia
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:12:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

U52148@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>I want to throw up for discussion as to what the solution for Bosnia
>should be. I.e Bombing Serbia etc. As much as I enjoy reading what

just a strategic question: what would bombing Serbia achieve? Where
would it lead? Who to do the bombing? Please elaborate your position.

>the Cro-netters have to say, I want a more intellectual discussion
>on the Bosnian crisis, so let's show the world we can be intellectual
>and bash the Serbs at the same time.

let me remind you that "being intellectual" and "bashing [Serbs, Croats,
Moslems, any NATION]" is contradictory and cannot be achieved. At the
same time, it is not only possible, but a moral imperative to bash the
criminals (individually or groups that are homogeniously criminal).
But no nation is a homogenious group - a nation is only a group that
has similar cultural and probably (but not always) religious ties and
history. In every other way - there are as many different people in any nation
as you can imagine...

In my opinion, the first condition to be really intelectual is to clarify
the concepts we use, before we make conclusions. Do you agree?


>         --Uvijek Za Dom--

>         --Always for the homeland--


>-Chicago Cro


  With hopes for peace

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Ana M. Shane                              voice: (215)-843-2909
334 Winona St.
Philadelphia, PA 19144      e-mail: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
From: lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: MIRacles No. 13
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:14:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1475300379:cdp:1475300380:000:1138
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Oct  7 08:14:00 1992


I've seen the propaganda about Alexander the Great in
this newsgroup (also some denials by Macedonians that
they have anything to do with Alexander the Great, in
this same newsgroup).  In Skopje, I didn't encounter
it.  This makes me suspect that it is the view of only
a fringe element, and that in general Macedonians and
the government of the Republic of Macedonia aren't
trying to claim descent from Alexander the Great.

The claims about an oppressed Macedonian minority in
Greece are a more complicated issue.  This belief seems
to be more widely held (judging from both the postings
here and the conversations I had in Skopje); at the
same time, I didn't hear the extreme statements on
this matter in Skopje which I have seen on a few occasions
on the net (the ones which sounded as if the poster was
accusing Greece of being an occupier of its province
of Macedonia - a minority among the Macedonian postings
here, but one which understandably alarms the Greeks).
On the whole, the people I met in Skopje seemed to be
far more concerned about the oil shortage than about
the status of any group of Greek citizens.

Lynn Gazis-Sax