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From: fafuria@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:36:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.210012.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In my view the Germans forfeited their right to their country (a homeland, if
>you like) by their actions during the first and second WW's, particularly the
>latter.  As I have said before, it was a mistake to allow the German nation
>to continue after WW2 and a mistake to allow the recent reunification.  I can
>only hope that after the next example of the Germans' attempts to subject the
>rest of the world to what they see as their superiority (inevitable in my
>view) that the same mistake will not be made once again.
>
>Laurence

Okay.  Now, since the Americans of the early 1800s allowed slavery, we
should take away the homeland of todays Americans.  Such brutality by
our predecessors, they forfeited their right to their country.  In fact,
they forfeited MY right to a homeland, so take MY country away.  Even
assuming that ALL Germans were Nazis during WWII, that doesn't say a
damned thing about the average German citizen today.  You can't lose a
right as a race because of what other members of your race have done.
Your statement constitutes pure and unabashed racism.

Now you are sitting around, hoping to see the Germans screw up and prove
you are right.  Well on that note, I hope you continue to look like an
idiot for the rest of your life.

(By the way, who are you and why are you bashing Germany from
"vxdesy.desy.de", a German network site?  Why are you even among these
people that you so distrust?)

Fred
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:35:48 GMT

faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:

>You are very wrong Mr. Applebaum, the Palestinians are direct decendants of
>the Canaanites and they were definately there first.

Considering all the migration in and out of Eretz Yisrael during that
he last few millenia, that's highly unlikely, not even considering the
fact that no trace of the Canaanites is known to exist today anywhere.
-- 
Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:19:09 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:

> >These are the same blood curdlers who scream for Salman Rushdie's life
> >without regard for other countries laws.
> 
> Don't try to tie in two separate issues.  The Salman Rushdie affair is
> dead and buried.

What do you mean?!  I heard Iran recently raised the bounty on his head
to a cool $2 million.  When it was a mere $1 million smackers, I didn't
feel it was worth my while, my being one of the select few finalists in
the Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes and all.  But now, at double
the original contract, I've begun my search for Rushdie.  Is Iran going
to welch on the deal?

-Don Gertler
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: tpm comes to scj
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:58:52 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)

In article <765343d5998369t224@witsend.uucp>, dcs@witsend (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>I've had replies on my "why bother with tpm" message which said, in
>effect, that one jerk insists on posting here so we have to reply.

How about the next time our favorite Canadian twit starts a tpm thread
on the grounds that he doesn't get tpm, we all mail his sysadmin and
complain?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: cm827@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gary Miles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: What is israel.nysernet.org?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:59:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


What is israel.nysernet.org  ,    or nysernet.org?

Can I get an account on it?  I can telenet.

Is there a place there(or anywhere) that my kids can talk
to other Jewish kids on internet?

Thanks
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israel must NOT return the "garbage"
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:09:28 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan10.041417.2037@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>
>The Cubans are not Americans.  Whatever happened to the great pan-Arab
>nation?  Or does that only exist as a convenience to help in the
>destruction of Israel?
 
Alan, why do you always shift the argument?  The "great pan-Arab nation"
died out after the days of Nasser.  Arab countries are committed to
the "destruction of Israel"?  Or are they busy squabbling over water
rights, what's-in-it-for-me issues in the Name of Peace in the Talks?
Or is that only used as a convenience to help in their destruction of
Palestinians?

Anisa
From: radack@ces.cwru.edu (Gerald Radack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Japanese Antisemitism
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:56:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1993Jan8.064703.20045@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
>Interestingly, the Japanese Royal Family is said to possess artefacts which are
>royal heirlooms, which contain Judaic symbology. There is even a Japanese group
>who consider themselves to be Jews and who are descendents of one of the lost
>tribes. I am not sure about the Halachic status of these people but I think
>it's questionable. These people also say some Japanese words are remarkably 
>similar to ancient Hebrew. I cannot remember the exact name of the book where 
>I read this but it was about all sorts of Jews around the world, Indian Jews, 
>Ethiopians, Japanese, Asian etc etc. It *may* have been called something like 
>"Jews of the World". If I get an opportunity I will go to my library and look 
>it up.

I visited a Shinto Shrine in Japan which was guarded by statues of beings
with boxes strapped to their heads (phylacteries?).  I believe it was the
Tsurugaoka Shrine in Kamakura. These statues are several hundred years old.
The fact that the boxes were a Jewish symbol was
recognized in the brochure given out by the shrine, although they didn't
elaborate on its significance.



-- 
Gerry Radack
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Case Western Reserve University			    radack@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
Cleveland, OH 44106
Date: Thursday, 7 January 1993 17:45:52 MST
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1ietlnINNcjp@ARGENTINA.AI.CS.YALE.EDU>, engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean P. Engelson)  wrote:
# 
# In article <04Jan93.164153.17898@granite.ciw.edu>, cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
# |> In article <1993Jan4.161545.2873@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
# |> Does the benefit clause mean that a Jewish store owner cannot
# |> carry products that contain meat and milk cooked together?  What
# |> if the store is publically owned--can one not hold stock in such
# |> a store?
# 
# Both very good questions, but beyond my expertise.  My guess as to the
# first is that it's probably forbidden.  And the second question
# involves the halachic status of stock ownership, which is a very
# complicated question.

  Worse than that -- if you consider that just about every large
  company has a company cafeteria.  Which leads me to believe
  that stock ownership is enough distance to remove the prohibition
  on benefit, or you'd never find an observant Jew owning stock in
  anything but conspicuously kosher companies.  (Suuuuuure!)

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From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:18:06 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:

> 
> 
> Over the recent break I read a very good book entitled, "Legacy of Silence:
> Encounters with Children of the Third Reich" by the Israeli psychologist
> Dan Bar-On.  It's a book of interviews with the adult children of Germans
> who were active 'victimizers" during the Holocaust, with brief commentary
> and a concluding essay on the way these adults, who also grew up 'in the 
> eye of the storm" deal with their parents' past and how it affects their 
> lives and attitudes today.  Many of the parents of the these people were
> executed or committed suicide after the war.  Their comments are very
> interesting in light of both many prevailing German attitudes ("following
> orders", "i didn't know", and silence) and in the sense that for some--
> certainly these kids, whose parents were for the most part major figures in
> the war against the Jews--guilt follows the children of the perpetrators as
> fear follows the children of the victims.  
> 
> It's a well-written book--the author succeeds particularly well, I think, in
> steering away from his own prejudgements about the people or the topic (his 
> German-born parents left the country in 1933).  Recommending it.
> 
> 			. . .Alexandra
> 


Also there is a very good book written in German by a Jewish austrian.
The title is

             "Schuldig geboren"  (means "Born guilty")

by 
              Peter Sichrowsky

I don't know if there is an English translation (I would recommend that
somebody would do it). Maybe a German speaking s.c.j. reader in USA has
the possibillity to read it, and recommend it to a publisher.

  
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From: disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kosher resturants in Phili?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:56:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T

My wife and I are going to be spending a few days next week in Philidelphia.
Any info on Kosher resturants (Location, Hashgacha, Quality) would be real
appreciated.

Thanks

David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?
Ok.... So I didn't major 
in English.
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Refuting Xian Missionaries (README)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:14:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan5.232937.17177@cs.rochester.edu> steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:
>I'm not sure that this generalization is really correct.  Of course, faith
>is at the core of Christianity, but there are numerous important works
>that are purely intellectual (see Thomas Aquinas for an example).
>
>In general, I think Judaism is the more intellectually oriented of the two
>(which is one of the things I appreciate in it), but I don't know if it's
>really fair to call Christianity anti-intellectual.

Today, I'll agree.  In previous centuries (especially before the
Enlightenment), only the clergy would understand Christianity from an
intellectual standpoint.  The laity were strongly discouraged from
independant study and thought.

In Judaism, in any generation, most of the common people were too busy
earning a living to study much, but any learning that could be
possible was always encouraged by the rabbis, and this is the biggest
difference, IMO.

Today, we've a highly educated population in general, so Christianity
has had to change its methods.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
 ~|~
From: milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Japanese Antisemitism?
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:35:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Hi everyone.  I remember reading sometime back (I don't remember where)
that antisemitism was rampant in Japan.  I think the article was about
how sales of "The Protocols of ... Zion" had recently jumped in the "Land
of the Rising Sun".

Anyway, is there truth to this?  Does anyone know of any sources where
this sort of thing might be documented?

Thank you for your assistance.

-Martin



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: edonchin@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Emanuel Donchin)
Subject: Looking for Hebrew Fonts
Summary: Need transliterated fonts
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:46:35 GMT


I am not sure this is the right newsgroup for this query but there may
be someone here with the answer.

This November while at the exhibit of the SBL convention in San
Francisco I came across an exhibitor who I think was called "Galaxie
Software" who had Hebrew fonts to be used in the Windows enviroment. I
was particularly interested in a font for displaying "transliterated"
Hebrew. 

Stupidly, I did not keep the address or the phone number of this vendor
even thought I am now very keen to get the fonts. 

This is cerainly a matter of Jewish Culture, even though it does not
respond to the major topics of discussion in this newsgroup.

I would appreciate email to edonchin@s.psych.uiuc.edu from any one who
knows the whereabouts of Galaxie Software, or who knows of an alternate
source of fonts for the tranliteration. 

Emanuel Donchin
University of Illinois.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: chlewis@dante.nmsu.edu (LEWIS)
Subject: A new name for Goyim
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:06:35 GMT


I propose that we should stop with this tomfoolery about " Jews for Jesus"
and call these persons what they should be called--Goyim for Jesus!
I think this would more aptly name them, as well as bring a much lesser
chance of flames for all Jews everywhere.
BTW, for al of you Goyims for Jesus, please stop posting!
Under Halacha, anyone who is born Jewish but converts to Xianity willingly
is a Christian, NOT a jew anymore, no matter what you say.
If you can find a good reason why Jews should listen to your Kvetching
about this "anointed" from Bethlehem/Nazareth/the Roman soldier down
the street, please mail it to me at :

chlewis@nmnsu.edu

I have a pretty extensive background in Xianity (I was a born-again for 5 years
before I saw the light) and can argue/discuss with you about
why these religions arew not compatible at any time you want.

A sincere convert to Judaism,

Christopher (Moshe) Lewis,


What! That old Hannukah story is a Bubba Mise? It still suffices!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:15:45 GMT

In article <C0AGBn.ME8@cs.columbia.edu> kasdan@cs.columbia.edu (John Kasdan) writes:
>Are the Kosher laws cumulative?  For example, if I eat a ham and
>cheese sandwich am I violating BOTH the law against eating ham AND the
>law against eating meat with milk, or does the fact that pork is treif
>mean that it doesn't count as meat for the purpose of the prohibition
>of meat with milk?
>
>If, in fact, there is a violation of both laws, what is the effect of
>that?  Is the appropriate punishment greater for the double violation
>than for the single one?
>
>Thanks for any info on this.
>
>/JK


In the definition of this particular law both the meat and the
milk have to be from kosher animal (A kid in its mothers milk).
Thus a piece of horsemeat with milk is treif but not basar
bechalav.  The difference lies in that we can sell nonkosher food
to a nonJew (as he is allowed to eat it) or use it in a nonfood
product but we are not allowed to get any benefit from a meat and
milk mixture.  For example, dogfood with horse meat and milk
solids would be allowed, but with beef and milk solids would not
be allowed.

An example of a cumulative law might be dogfood with horse meat
and cereal grains in it on Pesach.  It is subject to both sets of
laws.

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:24:56 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu



Over the recent break I read a very good book entitled, "Legacy of Silence:
Encounters with Children of the Third Reich" by the Israeli psychologist
Dan Bar-On.  It's a book of interviews with the adult children of Germans
who were active 'victimizers" during the Holocaust, with brief commentary
and a concluding essay on the way these adults, who also grew up 'in the 
eye of the storm" deal with their parents' past and how it affects their 
lives and attitudes today.  Many of the parents of the these people were
executed or committed suicide after the war.  Their comments are very
interesting in light of both many prevailing German attitudes ("following
orders", "i didn't know", and silence) and in the sense that for some--
certainly these kids, whose parents were for the most part major figures in
the war against the Jews--guilt follows the children of the perpetrators as
fear follows the children of the victims.  

It's a well-written book--the author succeeds particularly well, I think, in
steering away from his own prejudgements about the people or the topic (his 
German-born parents left the country in 1933).  Recommending it.

			. . .Alexandra

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:43:28 GMT

mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:

>To a certain extent that is true.  I would imagine that the blacks of
>today have a hard time forgiving the whites for the crimes that were
>once perpertrated on them.  However, the majority of whites in the US
>have given up those outdated views, whereas a significant proportion of
>the Germans still favour the Nazi ideas.
And there I think you are wrong. Many people are afraid that
foreigners who come to Germany would take away their jobs
and their existence. That is why they want them to stay out.
Closing the borders for asylum seekers because of economic
reasons is imho not a good reason, but I wouldn't call it
rasistic or a thing just Germans do. 
So the number of the people who identify themselves with 
Nazi ideas is vy small.
Crimes against minoritys do happen in other countries too,
but in germany they are judged harder by foreign countries
and the germans themselves too, because of the past.
That is very good, so the crimes can't be silenced to death.
But I'm very sad if I see people judging me without knowing
me, just because I'm born in a special country.
e
>Does it surprise you that people who were once subject to mass
>extermination (that is Jews) still hold a grudge against the 
>former exterminators (that be the Germans), some of which have
>led a comfortable existance in post-WW2 Germanies.  When I was 
>a child my grandfather used to tell me bedtime stories of how 
>he and a band of Russian partisans would fight the German 
>occupants by blowing up the tracks on which trains carrying the
>Jews condemned to death camps would travel.  What do former 
>German soldiers tell their grandchildren - how they would torture
>and rape Jewish women maybe?  Or maybe about how they would tear
>the newborn Jewish babies limb from limb in front of their 
>mothers?  Nice legacy.

Well, I think the German soldiers who did those cruel things 
won't tell it. Just like the Russian soldiers who raped german 
women won't tell it to their children as a bed-time story.
My grandfather was a member of the SS and a long time he never
talked with me about it, because he was afraid I would
judge him just because of the fact he was an SS member and
not because of his deeds.
At the age of 17 he had problems with his parents and so he he joined the
army to escape from home. I don't think that he ever 
changed his mind about murdering people or raping 
women just because he joined the army. There were not more
cruel people in Germany from 1932 - 1945 than anywhere else.
The difference was that the state promoted those cruel
people and used them. 
In fact I think there are much less Germans who hate Jews
nowadays than Jews who hate Germans.
I don't know why people hate me for things somebody else
did half a century ago.

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"Die Demokratie ist ein Verfahren, das garantiert, dass wir nicht
 besser regiert werden, als wir es verdienen."
- G. B. Shaw
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Date: Saturday, 9 January 1993 19:19:28 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.16R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1993Jan6.082227.17677@rdg.dec.com>, kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com () wrote:
# 	I don't quite get it. If they are not shackled when they are in their 
# 	cells, why do they need help with Tefilin ?

  I'm not an expert on jails, but the ones I've seen don't have
  separate lavatories.  (Makes sense, if you think about it.)
  So the Felds couldn't daven in their cells, and outside of
  them are shackled.  Sort of like Catch-22.

  As a related aside, I haven't studied the halacha concerning
  the obligations of prisoners, for instance when one cannot
  avoid excrement.  Any pointers?  (Hmm -- this would also
  seem to apply to some medical situations, as with gangrenous
  patients -- phew!)


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From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Conditions (was Re: ERETZ YISRAEL)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:57:30 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

In article <4875@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
|> In article <1i6pepINN7ou@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
|> >
|> >if the name 'palestine' is history, ERETZ-YISRAEL is prehistory. we were
|> >here first. Relearn your history Mr. Turner.
|> 
|> But wasn't that conditional, Hillel?

WHAT conditions, Anisa ?
(pls remember - we are back here :-)

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