Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:33:07 EDT
Reply-To:     "Stratos Safioleas" <MG543C@GWUVM.BITNET>
From:         "Stratos Safioleas" <MG543C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Twra bebaia

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:40:56 PST Perikles Konstantinides said:
>
>        Mporeis se parakalw na mou apanthseis, kat' arxhn, sto
>    ti akribws shmasia exei to pou doulepsa egw me to sugkekrimeno
>    0ema; Ean den eixa doulepsei sthn FtA auto 0a me ekane perissotero,
>    ligotero 'h to idio axiopisto sthn sugkekrimenh upo0esh; Kai
>    giati akribws; Eimai polu periergos na xerw, pragmatika.
>

Katarxnv file, to pou douleyes exei toso sxesn, oso sxesn exei n apavtnsn
tou Rekleitn me to gegovos oti eivai kata tn gvwmn sou kvitns:

KAMMIA dnladn.

Ystera:

To sxnma to opoio diale3e va sou apavtnsei ntav kata tnv gvwmn mou akribws
avalogo me to epixeirnma sou. To gegovos oti oi eurwpaioi apofasisav va
e3ovtwsouv tous Ivdiavous eivai mia"apln"kai 0emitn
e3eli3n stn poreia tns istorias eipes. Polu wraia,sou eipe kai o Rekleitns
to idio "dikaiwma" eixe kai n Tourkia otav pnre ta Mikrasiatika paralia
to 22 kai otav efage tn misn Kupro. Me tn logikn sou 200 xrovia argotera
ola auta 0a exouv e3ngnseis apo tous istorikous. Mn 3exvas allwste pws
n istoria grafetai apo tous vikntes. Pros ti oi xaraktnrismoi kai oi
eirwvies;

Dev eimai dikngoros tou, alla "you can do much better than that" :)

>
>            Oxi bebaia. To zhthma einai oti to 1974 h Kupros htan mia
>    xwra me suntagma, nomous kai e0nikh kuriarxia epi twn edafwn ths,
>    enw h Boreia Amerikh to 1492 htan, sto megalutero meros ths mia
>    ektash ghs pou katoikotan apo elaxista ekatommuria nomadikwn fulwn
>    pou den eixan oute kuriarxia epi twn edafwn pou emenan, oute kai
>    die0nh anagnwrish. Kai afou eixan autoi dikaiwma epi ths ghs pou
>    katoikousan ta idia dikaiwmata eixe kai opoiadhpote allh "fulh"
>    pou 0a apofasize na metakinh0ei ekei. Opws kai egine.
>
>            Se anti0esh, sthn Kentrikh Amerikh kai sthn Notio Amerikh
>    oi Ispanoi eisebalan se politismenes xwres me kubernhseis kai
>    safh edafikh kuriarxia epi twn edafwn tous. H antistash pou sunanthsan
>    de htan organwmenh se anti0esh me thn B.Amerikh, opou h antistash
>    htan anorganwth kai sporadikh. Ase pou merikes fules sunergas0hkan
>    me tous apoikous gia na exontwsoun ex0rikes tous fules.

Malista. Kai alln evdiaferousa apoyn: Ti paei dnladn va pei "die0vns
avagvwrisn twv Ivdiavwv". Ti soi avagvwrisn eprepe va exouv
prokeimevou va exouv to dikaiwma va znsouv stnv gn twv progovwvwv tous;
Poioi laoi eprepe va tous avgvwrisouv tnv e0vikn tous kuriarxia;
Giati dnladn oi Ivdiavoi va avazntnsouv kai tnv sumfwvn gvwmn twv
katoikwv tns pla.i.vns npeirou oi opoioi nr0av va pazareyouv kati pou
tous avnkei toso, oso avnkei kai n Agglia stous Ivdiavous ! (Sugvwmn dnladn
dev prospa0w va se eirwveutw, alla ekei me odngei n topo0etnsn sou)

To epomevo pou mas parousiazeis eivai e3 isou suvarpastiko kai 0a mporouses
va mas to kaveis "liava": Ti evvoeis otav les "politismevoi" laoi. Oi
ivdiavoi ntav "apolitistoi" me basn poia kritnria; Poiwv kritwv; Twv
"politismevwv" eurwpaiwv; Kai oi "apolitistoi" ofeilouv va geu0ouv tnv
"politismevn" e3ovtwsn twv uperterwv kataktntwv. Sav ligo tromaxtika
dev eivai ola auta. Auta me tous uperterous laous evavti allwv de sou
fervouv sto mualo evav Germavo paravo.i.ko tupo me moustakaki pou
eixe kati paromoies apoyeis peri tns upertatns fulns;
>

Duo akoma paratnrnseis dikes mou:

To eipe ndn kai o Giwrgos o Maltas. H katapiesn dev eivai apraitnto
va uparxei sta xartia kai stous vomous, opws esu tnv yaxveis kai dev
tnv briskeis taxa. Gia va xrnsimopoinsw kai egw eva apo ta prosfiln
sou 0emata, n Sobietikn Evwsn (n tews kaln tns wra) sta xartia ntav
sosialistikn kai oloi nsav isoi, kai oles oi e0votntes dev katapiezovtav
oute epi Stalin. Dev vomizw oti sumfwveis me auto, oute kai kaveis
sobaros.

To paradeigma sou me tous maurous tns Washington ntav teleiws atuxo.
Mou kavei evtupwsn av milame gia tnv idia poln stnv opoia briskomai.
Ama prolabaivoume ta 3avaleme ep'autou.


>pfk

>southern cal
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