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From: ddyte@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Aussie Bball News #4- Results, Table
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:16:39 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

MONARCHS LOSE OPENER: REVENGE IS SWEET!

Results:

Friday 6 Nov:

Perth def Adelaide at Perth (score unknown)

Dolphins 6
Bandits  8

Bushrangers 5 (8 hits)
Monarchs    3 (6 hits)

A disappointing beginning for the Monarchs at home (also the home
park for the Rangers, though) as they were well held by Bushranger
pitcher Dave White, also the club's GM, who pitched the complete
game. Two runs in the seventh and one in the eighth broke the 2-2
deadloc and an RBI to former Red Ron Carothers was not enough to
spark the Monarchs in the bottom of the eighth. The GWRBI (sorry)
was a walk to Fletcher Thompson, after reliever Respondek came to
the mound with bases loaded.

Saturday 7 Nov:

Monarchs 11 (18 hits, 1 error)
Bushrangers 2 (8 hits, 1 error)

Third baseman Scott Neiles went 4 for 5 with 4 RBIs, and Rangers
starter Andrew Linehan was knocked off the mound after 2/3 of an
inning, having conceded 6 runs. Winning pitcher Parisotto gave
up only 2 hits in his 5 inning stint, going out with an 11-0 lead.
James Waddell collected 3 hits, while Richard Vagg, Mark Skeels
and import Pookie Wilson got 2 each.

Game 1   Reds 2 (6h,0e)     Game 2    Reds  6 (9h,1e)
         Blue 3 (9h,1e)               Blues 0 (2h,1e)

In game 1, the Reds scored in the top of the 10th, only to see
the Blues score twice. Brendan Kingman doubled home Jason Dormer
to seal the game. In game 2, catcher David Clarkson hit 2 home
runs and Whitford hit 1 to seal a bif win. It is worth noting that
double headers consist of two 7 inning games, so game 1 was
decided in the 3rd extra inning. Single games are over 9 innings.

Dolphins 2 (4h,1e)
Bandits  7 (7h,2e)

Brisbane leapt to the top of the table as brothers Gary and Bob
Nilsson (former Dolphins) completed the pitching duties, while
Hinton collected 3 hits and 2 RBIs. 10,965 people (wow!!) went
to the Showgrounds for the big Queensland derby.

Game 1    Giants 5 (9h,1e)      Game 2    Giants 4 (7h,1e)
          Heat   2 (4h,1e)                Heat   9 (11h,1e)

In game 1 Day got 3 hits including a home run and a double and
got 4 RBIs, while Bahnert also hit a tater for Adelaide and
Daspit conceded just 4 hits in 6.2 innings for the win. But the
Perth batters exploded in game 2, with Holland hitting 1HR, 1
triple and a single collecting4 RBIs, while Adamson, Jelks and
Steed also hit homers. All the Adelaide runs came in the fifth,
but by then it was too late. Wenban and Harben shared the pitching
for the Heat.

TABLE:                 Team          W   L   GB
                       Bandits       2   0   -
                       Heat          2   1   .5
                       Blues         2   1   .5
                       Monarchs      1   1   1
                       Bushrangers   1   1   1
                       Reds          1   2   1.5
                       Giants        1   2   1.5
                       Dolphins      0   2   2

                                      - David Dyte
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Subject: bott
From: jimbo@csusb
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:46:51 PST
Organization: California State University, San Bernardino
Nntp-Posting-User: cvetp038


This is a test I'M trying to figure this thing out
From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: John Valentin
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:51:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Nov9.165111.7023
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In late August of 1991 (Valentin's last full/complete season in Triple A),
Valentin's stats as of 8/25/91 at Pawtucket were:
    G	AVG	HR	Rbi
    90	.269	 7	 43
					
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From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney)
Subject: Chick Conners-- What about the Cubs?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:27:10 GMT

    from clari.news.headlines:

	-0-
	Chuck Connors is dead. The baseball player-turned-actor succumbed
today to lung cancer at age 71. Connors was best known as the hair-
triggered star of T-V's ``The Rifleman.'' He played ball for the
Brooklyn Dodgers, among others.
	-0-


     According to 'Total Baseball', Connors only played for two teams:
1 game for the Brooklyn Dodgers, and 66 games for the Chicago Cubs. Why
do they only mention his Dodger record? He only played one game for them,
and in that he appeared as a pinch-hitter, and didn't get the hit...


+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
| "A lot of stuff in school... you don't appreciate | Jack McKinney          |
|  'til you get to be older, you know, little       | jmckinney@tamu.edu     |
|  things, like being spanked everyday by a middle- +------------------------+
|  aged woman... Stuff you'd pay good money for     | Blessed be the ties    |
|  later in life."      -Emo Philips                |      that bind...      |
+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Reds/Yanks Trade
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:31:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.223852.6622@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:

>This would make no sense ... they only traded someone who is valuable
>to the team for a PLATOON player?  Not only that, O' Neill is making
>1.2 million more then R. Kelly.  Makes no sense whatsoever.
>Maybe the Yanks know something we don't.  

Trading an "everyday player" for a platoon player is not inherently bad.
For example, Andy Van Slyke, over his career, really should be a platoon
player, yet his career numbers are much better than Kelly's.  If you trade
Kelly '92 for Van Slyke '92 (ignore the age, for now), that would be a steal;
you just need to find someone to platoon with Van Slyke.

You have to see if the O'Neill + (Williams?) combination will be better than
Kelly.  (I'd like to, conceptually, use, O'Neill + "replacement level
right-handed OF," :-), although Williams might very well be one.)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE (long)
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:41:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxFJLM.E2K
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


The 93 ALL -Star is at the Oriole park at Candemn Yards.

S.h
Forever Twins
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From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Subject: Re: Gold Gloves Announced
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:35:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.222415.5191@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>From memory:
>NL

>2nd: Lind

	Jose deserves this award, but it looks sarcastic after the little
faux pas in NLCS #7.
From: Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Manager (was:COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE)
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:52:20 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a6@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Yes, Don Baylor was chosen as manager of the Rockies.

***shawn.burgess@dartmouth.edu***
Texas Rangers in 93!
(or 94 or 95 or 96, etc.)
My opinions in no way represent the views of Dartmouth College.
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB vs Japan All-Stars
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:17:28 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <carl.721087811@warper.jhuapl.edu>, carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy) writes:
> I saw a bit nf the last game on the television and was surprised to see that
> Osaka stadium sports a dirt infield. Do all the Japanese stadia have dirt
> infields, and if they do, are there any other differences between Japanese
> and US parks?

Most of them have AstroTurf. :-(  The ones that are grass (particularly
Koshien Stadium (home of the Hanshin Tigers) have all-dirt infields.
(It's a suburb of Osaka, so this might be where that game was played.  It's a
historic ballpark by Japanese standards--it has hosted Japan's annual high 
school baseball tournament every year since 1915.)  There is one domed
stadium, the Tokyo Dome, which is modeled on the Metromuffin.

Sometimes in the turf stadiums you'll see foul territory with grass; I think
some U.S. turf parks did this at one time.

Other differences: a smaller field, both in foul territory and in the
outfield; an 8-ft high chicken-wire fence down the lines screening the fans
from the action; organized cheering sections (oendan) in the outfield seats.

There are others.  For a good overview of Japanese ball, check out Robert
Whiting's "You Gotta Have Wa."  For nitty gritty stuff like addresses and
stadium food ratings, I use a paperback entitled "Japanese Baseball," written
by I forget who.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin                        (No quote today)
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu

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	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck 'Big, Red, & Furry' McMath)
Subject: Re: Unofficial Protected Lists from San Jose Mercury
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: MSD
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.174019.1662@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
myles@leland.Stanford.EDU (Myles Sussman) wrote:
> 
> Warning:  The Mercury News probably doesn't know for sure.
> 
> From the San Jose Mercury News, 11/12/92:
>
> Baltimore Orioles
> P  Frohwirth, McDonald, Mills, Mussina, Olson, Pennington, Rhodes
> C  Hoiles
> IF Alexander, Gomez, C. Ripken, Segui
> OF Anderson, Devereaux, Mercedes
> 
	Well, there's definitely a problem with this one (so the disclaimer is
true after all!).  Glenn Davis has to be protected because he has a no-cut
contract, so I'd assume you'd strike Segui's name and add Davis'.

chuck

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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Toronto Fans
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:14:12 GMT

Here's one for you guys debating attendance. All American League attendance
figures are overblown (including Toronto's) because the American league
uses a completely different system to calculate attendance than the National League.
In the American league, attendance is based on tickets sold. In the National League,
attendance is based on the actual number of people who come through the gates.
4 million people did not attend Toronto games this year. 4 million tickets
were bought. Whereas, in the National League, we know for a fact that over 3
million people attended, for example, Atlanta games. 

BTW, does anyone have population stats on metro Atlanta? Just curious, really.
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mattingly, what a fine fielder (was: Hardly not etc.)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:32:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: na
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov6.220154.4662@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>  
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

> Watching mattingly day in and day out in spring training tells showalter
> (or whomever) that mattingly is the best in the Yankee system.  That is 
> what spring training is for - to "see" who the best players are. 

That's how Gary Scott got the job when the stats indicated 
that he probably wasn't ready.

seeing, hearing
john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Brewers in 93?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:17:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.025305.28614@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess) writes:
>
>Just a question:  do you guys think the Brewers season this year was a
>fluke or can they pull it off next year?  Also, who are they likely to
>lose this year (free-agent, draft, etc.)?
>

Definite fluke. I am skeptical that Listach can repeat his offensive
performance. Their bats in the outfield are miserable. Feltcher and 
Seitzer = get real?

The only legitimate bat I see in their lineup is Molitor who may not be
back next season. With a human Eldred and without Bosio, I just don't
see a competitive team here.

Everything went right for them this year. Next year, if major changes are
not made, my prediction is Milwaukee on the bottom.

--Les


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From: schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:42:33 GMT

In <11NOV199209172130@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:

>The hated jints will remain in SF after all.  
>This means that they will play in the *worst* facility in Major League 
>Baseball, Candlestick Park, for 1993; indeed, they will play there for
>years to come.  How fitting; they deserve the worst. 

This is perhaps the worst decision MLB has made in a long time. They must     
really hate Tampa, and I would imagine the feeling's mutual right about now...  Seriously, can anyone remember a major league organization turning down a      
bigger offer that forces a team to stay in a facility as horrible as Candlesick
(intentional misspelling there), playing before fans who campaigned so hard for
them to stay just so they could have the privilege of not bothering to go to
games for another X amount of years? I mean, these people wanted the Giants so
badly, and yet they voted down something like 4 propositions to build new stad-
iums. Sad. I'm glad Tampa's suing; they deserve a team, and the Giants would be
much closer to Sarasota than the Marlins. It would be that much easier to see 
the Cubs in person that way... =(

tv's steamed peter

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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Yankees protected list
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:22:28 GMT

In article <10NOV199213370980@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>, yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:
|> 
|> According to the NY Times, here are the players the Yankees have
|> supposedly protected:
|> 
|> 	Don Mattingly	
|> 	Pat Kelly
|> 	JT Snow
|> 	Melido Perez
|> 	Bob Wickman
|> 	Sam Millitello
|> 	Rich Monteleone
|> 	Sterling Hitchcock
|> 	Mark Hutton
|> 	Paul O'Neill
|> 	Bernie Williams
|> 	Gerald Williams
|> 	Carl Everett

  Who's going to play SS & 3B?? How can they not protect their best
reliever (Farr) and best hitter (Tartabull)?

|> The last two spots are up for grabs between these guys:
|> 
|> 	Danny Tartabull
|> 	Charlie Hayes
|> 	Randy Velarde
|> 	Brad Ausmus
|> 	Steve Farr
|> 	Russ Springer
|> 	Russ Davis
|> 
|> 	The Times is also reporting that Tartabull's agent was told that
|> he was protected.  In other news, Barry Bonds told WABC radio that he would
|> "love to play for the Yankees." May be a negotiating ploy, but one can hope.
|> 
|> 
|> 							Kenny G
|> 
|> The three Yankees taken through the draft: 
|>    Kevin Maas, Mike Stanley, Jim Leyritz (still praying)

  What about Andy Stankewicz?? Why wasn't he protected? Habyan? I'd say they
had to protect Tartabull and Farr. Why protect O'Neill?? He ain't 1/2 the 
player Tartabull is!! Heck - forget about Snow, for that matter - he's too old
now to develop into a great player. Although he is good trade bait - and the
Yanks should have traded him before the draft. Of course, they never should have
traded Kelly for O'Neill, but that's another matter.

-Ron
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From: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Subject: toronto fans
Reply-To: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:24:06 EST



>snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.044127.21019#athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>***      i am not saying that toronto's weather is unique, or that its
>>   fans are special, or anything like that, rather that the jays'
>>   old stadium *was* special. a "bad" stadium is one thing; a
>>   stadium where your view is the bad side of the outfield fence
>>   (only) is quite another.
>How many stadia have you been to?  Have you ever watched a game in a cold

A dozen or so; Exhibition Stadium was bad but not awful. There were
some really lousey seats but also lots of good ones (:-)). The covered
bleacher seats in left field were cheap, comfortable, and fun. Even
the very last row anuweher in the infield was a good view, and by
standing up and turning around there were great views of the lake, the
fair, Island airport, etc. Yes, the extreme reserved seat/benchs in right
field were actually well past the outfield wall, and the center field
unreserved bleachers were so far away they had to mail you the score.

However, I think people are forgetting that the media were not talking
about fan amenities when they called it the "worst" stadium; the real
probblem was that the artifial turf was allowed to deteriorate over
the last few years. Each fall the local football team (Agros) used to
have an open practice and you could bring your kids down on the field
for pics and autographs (Whyever did they stop this? Anyway...) When
you walked across the outfield in the last few years it was
unbelievable. Gaps of 4 - 6 inches between pieces of turf, areas with
all the nap worn off, overlapping seams, etc. I think the problems
were attributed to an unfixable drainage problem and too many rock
concerts, but I don't recall. They needed to do a major (and
expensive) recovering or build a new stadium. Players complained it
was unsafe and unfair, visiting teams said they hated to play there,
etc. Still, a little nostalgia...

Remember when the couple got it on in one of the hotel rooms
overlooking the new SkyDome field? One local writer suggested they
rename it .......... Exhibition Stadium ........ . . . Mike
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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: To Commissioner Maynard
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:09:14 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Hey, Commis.  You're not going to allow the Rangers to represent
the AL are you?
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From: gritter@cs.purdue.edu (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Montreal Expos Protected List
Keywords: Expansion Draft, Expos
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:57:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Department of Computer Sciences
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This is from the Chicago Tribune, who somehow got the actual list for
all 26 teams:

Starting pitchers:	Dennis Martinez
			Ken Hill
			Chris Nabholz
			Kent Bottenfield
			Brian Barnes
			Joey Eischen

Relievers:		Mel Rojas
			John Wetteland

Catcher:		Tim Laker

Infielders:		Delino DeShields
			Wil Cordero
			Greg Colbrunn

Outfielders:		Marquis Grissom
			Larry Walker
			Moises Alou

Comments:  Well, even though the USA Today had Eischen on Montreal's
list earlier, I ignored him, particulary because he had never been
lauded before and because his A ball stats were not *that* impressive.
Obviously, the Oil Can Boyd deal looks marvelous now.

The Expos may have left both Bret Barbarie and Sean Berry off the list
thinking that if one is chosen, the other can be protected with one of
their 3 players they can protect before the next round.  I would hate
to lose Barbarie because of his versatility in the infield.  I would
also hate to lose Jeff Fassero because the Expos have no real good
left handed reliever to fill his shoes unless they are thinking about
Barnes in that role.

Its really hard to predict who will be the first Expo taken.  It could
be any of Barbarie, Berry, Fassero, Mark Gardner, Ivan Calderon, Bob
Natal, Matt Stairs, or Jonathan Hurst.  My guess would be Gardner.

Carl
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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Subject: Re: Manager (was:COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE) 
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:21:15 GMT

I have been out of it for a little while, but I've heard that Don Baylor has    been given a managing job. Is it with the Rockies? If not have they chosen a    manager yet.


-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
"We fear change."
 -Garth Algar
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants Will Stay!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:36:40 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:

>Yep. The Giants will stay in SF alright, but now the real fun begins.

Yeah. Yippee.

>Since the Tampa group does, in fact, have a signed contract in their
>hands, lawsuits will definitely be filed.

True. But Tampa knew (or should have known) going in that the contract with
Lurie also required the approval of the Major League Owners. They thought
they had that loophole closed with their no-other-offers clause, but it didn't
work.

I think ultimately, since this step was known from the beginning, Tampa
loses the lawsuit if it goes that far. Lurie didn't violate the contract,
but there was an overriding authority that chose to override. 

That doesn't necessarily mean that I think that they handled it well, and
while I'm thrilled the Gyros are staying, I think Tampa got screwed again.

Personally, I'd like to see MLB sit down and make a concession to Tampa --
an AL franchise in 1994. And I'd like to see Tampa accept it and avoid all
the legal hassles, because ultimately I think it does everyone harm,
especially their long-term ability ot get a team. 

Whether it happens or not, I'm not confident. 


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