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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2869

                          Thursday, August 13, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                                    Poll
                              Re: pay phone tts
                                Re: I AM DEAF
                         DIAL 711 for RELAY SERVICE
                                Va riochmond
                                Hand Controls
                                 rehab ctrs
                                 Wheelchair
       Surgery went fine (hope this message "goes"!) - LAH (his wife)
                                 Wheelchair


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Subject: Poll
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 DL>   ANY monitoring of ANY phone call by way of voice etc can be seen as a
 DL>   invasion of privacy at least in florida where we have a strong state
 DL>   privacy law.

Daniel, have you read the Customer Pages (White Pages) in the front
of your phone book?  There are several paragraphs explaining this.
As a former SW Bell and AT&T employee, I do know for a fact the
phone companies do monitor phone calls (whether they be voice, TT
or modem) randomly - they have the right to do this to check out
how things are working.  They are not intruding on our privacy
by doing this as they are not doing it on purpose to listen to
our conversations.

This includes ALL regional Bell companies and ALL long distance
carriers among other independent local exchanges such as GTE, etc.

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Subject: Re: pay phone tts
From: Graham.Scahill@f225.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Graham Scahill)
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/225


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

rKK> JO> I don't care much for the keyboards on the "pocket size" TT units

Hello Karen, I am tied up with people with vision and hearing
impairments, my wife is deaf-blind, my son has a severe hearing
loss and is blind, the three of us work for the New Zealand Vision
and Hearing Impaired Persons Society and are interested in
assistive technology.

If there is any literature avaiab;e amd upi cam get ot fpr me I
would be very grateful. Will post my address on here when I see if
you are able to assist.

Best of!

Graham.

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Subject: Re: I AM DEAF
From: Robert.Thurlow@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Thurlow)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Laurel, I understand how you feel about losing your hearing after
having grown up with it.  I believe I'd feel a greater sense of loss
from losing my hearing than I would from being blind or losing a
limb exactly because of my love for music.  Many of the amputees in
our support group clearly believe that life would be better if they
still had their missing limbs.

But then there are the people who were born without limbs, or have
grown so much since their amputations that they would not choose to
go back to being the way they were before.  These people do not feel
such a sense of loss, but have come to accept it all as simply the
way it is.  These groups do not necessarily understand one another.
In peer support, the congenital amputees are best at reassuring the
parents of other congenitals that life will be okay, while the folks
who lost limbs later in life are best at reassuring other acquired
amputees.  The best sort of attitude to take is one of acceptance,
where both "sides" remember that the other person's way of living
is best for them, and not something that is open to more than a little
friendly discussion.  I wish all of the participants in this debate
could try a little harder to accept that theirs is not the only valid
viewpoint.

Take care,
Rob T

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Subject: DIAL 711 for RELAY SERVICE
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Jack!  Just wanted to let you know we have a form letter going
around here in DFW and I've lined up quite a few folks to sign
it and mail it to the FCC.  Hope all of this will convince them
we need the 711 numbers.

Thanks for letting us know and hope all is well with you and Ret.

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Subject: Va riochmond
From: Mark.Munson@p0.f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Munson)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14.0 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

JL>Mark, what is Richmond like now.  I got really put off by the place
JL>when the aids really didn't give a dam and the nurses were
JL>stuck in their station doing paperwork.  I have not been there
JL>since the new hospital was built.  When I first was rolled in
JL>there, in a stricker frame of a C-9, saw 40 men seperated by a
JL>locker, pipes running the length of the ward, cobwebs all over
JL>the place, I said, great joke, take me to the real hospital.
JL>Then the real reality set in, I had arrived.  Back then there
JL>were  still a few goods aids who gave a dam, and a pretty good
JL>reab group of people.  I still keep up somewhat from Jack
JL>Harding, a quad who goes down there, and from the Virginia
JL>chapter PVA newsletter.  What is your opinion of the
JL>pleace,especially the nursing care provided by the aids.
JL>Regards, John

Sorry I left your whole message, just to lazy to answer line by line.
Use to do it but am just getting lazy.

You got me at a disatvantage, I went through Rehab at Long Beach SCI in
83... so when I got to Richmond, I pretty much got the same effect you
got, but, I don't think its the same as when you were talking about.

Yes, you run into the nurses that spend their time at the statio to
write all night and tell the quads on the intercom to hold on (all
night), then you have a different shift that treats you like kings and
queens.   The nursing part I don't think will ever change because they
are just individuals and you can never predict them.  But, A general
answer to you question, is that if you had to go in for what ever
reason, I think you could tolerate it now.  I have experienced the best
(long beach) and maybe close to the worst (Richmond), and I would say
richmond is better now. IT HAS CHANGED. I spent 8 months out of last
year in that hospital and came out sane.  I won't need to go into why I
was in, you can take a guess.. but I had my passes, played the game and
got plenty of coupons.  Get back to me and let me know where you are at!
 * SLMR 2.1a * Nurse Please Bring Me My Chair God Damit!

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Subject: Hand Controls
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Joe Chamberlain <30 Jul 92 22:05> Karen Tackett wrote:

 KT> Hello, sorry to just jump right in here, but since we kind of
 KT> "know" each other from the WRITING echo, I hope you don't mind me
 KT> asking a basic question. We are looking for a wheelchair lift to
 KT> put in our van for our daughter. She's getting big enough for
 KT> this to be an issue. Also, how does one "lock down" a wheelchair
 KT> for safe transport within the vehicle?

Kids have a habit of growing.  I am amazed that mine is 28,
employed, and a hundred miles from home.  This from a child who
couldn't find his way to the bathroom after the sun went down.

Ricon and Braun are the two major lift makers.  Ricon is
1-800-322-2884.  Adaptive Automotive of Denver is a dealer, van
modifier which handles both Ricon and Braun at 1-800-748-3695.
MITS (1-800-243-6487) is in Pennsylvania and can refer you to a
west coast dealer.

Lock downs are devices attached to the floor which secure the
chair.  Then you need a modified seat belt to secure the rider to
the chair.

Contact the Univ. of Wash. Rehab center for some good in-state
referrals.

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Subject: rehab ctrs
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

        The following list is of the comprehensive spinal cord injury
treatment facilities.  The 'phone numbers were checked this past week and
if you find and error please forward the correct information back to me.
        I want to thank Jesse Tharin for the basic list and hope this
helps someone.    -=joe=-

Baptist Memorial Hospital               Betty Bacharach Rehab Hospital
Regional Rehab Center                   Jim Leeds Road
1025 E H Crump Boulevard                Pomona NJ 08240
Memphis TN 38104                        609-652-7000
901-522-6585

Cardinal Hill Hospital                  Charlotte Rehab Hospital
2050 Versailles Road                    11 Blythe Boolevard
Lexington KY 40504                      Charlotte NC 28203
606-254-5701                            704-355-4300

Children's Specialized Hospital         Christ Hospital & Medical Ctr.
150 New Providence Rd                   4440 W 95th Street
Mountainside NJ 07091                   Oak Lawn IL 60453
201-233-3720                            708-425-8000

Cleveland Metro Health System           Covenant Medical Center
Highland View Hosp.                     Rehab Program
3395 Scranton Rd.                       2101 Kimball Avenue
Cleveland OH 44109                      Waterloo IA 50701
216-398-6000                            319-291-3336

Dallas Rehabilitation Institute         Elizabethtown Hosp & Rehab Ctr
9713 Harry Hines Blvd.                  Elizabethtown PA 17022-0710
Dallas TX 75220                         717-367-1161
214-767-2961
                                        F. E. Hebert Hospital
Emmanuel Rehab Ctr.                     Rehab Institute of New Orleans
3001 N Gantenbein Ave                   One Sanctuary Drive
Portland OR 97227                       New Orleans LA 70114
503-280-4400                            504-363-2658

Freeman Hospital Med Ctr.               Fresno Comm. Hospital
Ctr. Diagnostic & Rehab Med.            L. S. Peters Rehab Center
333 N Prarie Ave.                       POBox 1232
Inglewood CA 90301                      Fresno CA 93715
213-674-7050                            209-442-6000

Ft. Sanders Regional Med. Ctr.          Gaylord Hospital
Patricia Neal Rehab Center              POBox 400
1901 Clinch Ave.                        Wallingford CT 06492
Knoxville TN 37916                      203-284-2800
615-541-1301
                                        Good Samaritan Hospital
Good Samaritan Med. & Rehab Ctr         Rehab Center
800 Forest Ave                          3217 Clifton Ave.
Zanesville OH 43701                     Cincinnati OH 45220-2489
614-454-5462                            513-872-1490

Good Samaritan Hospital of MD           Good Samaritan Medical Ctr.
Rehab Unit                              1111 E. McDowell Rd
5601 Loch Raven Blvd.                   Phoenix AZ 85002
Baltimore MD 21239                      602-239-4204 (SCI)
301-323-2200
                                        Humana Hospital - Lucerne
Good Shepherd Rehab Hospital            Lucerne Spinal Center
Fifth & St John Street                  1818 S Main Lane
Allentown PA 18103                      Orlando FL 3280
215-776-1111                            407-649-6148

Institute for Rehab & Research          Jackson Memorial Rehab. Center
1333 Moursund Street                    1611 Northwest 12th Ave.
Houston TX 77030                        Miami FL 33136
713-799-5000                            305-549-6262

Kessler Institute for Rehab.            Magee Rehabilitation Hospital
1199 Pleasant Valley Way                Six Franklin Plaza
West Orange NJ 07052                    Philadelphia PA 19102
201-731-3600                            215-587-3000, 215-665-5100

Marianjoy Rehabilitation Center         Mary Free Bed Hosp & Rehab Ctr
26 W 171 Roosevelt Road                 235 Wealthy Street SW
Wheaton IL 60189                        Grand Rapids MI 49503
708-462-4000                            616-242-0300

Mayo Clinic                             Memorial Regional Rehab Center
Rehabilitation Unit                     3599 University Blvd. South
1216 2nd Street SW                      Jacksonville FL 32216
Rochester MN 55902                      904-399-6819
507-285-4613
                                        Casa Colina Hospital
Northridge Hospital                     Ctr. for Rehab Medicine
18300 Roscoe Blvd                       255 E. Bonita Ave
Northridge CA 91328                     Pomona CA 91767
818-885-8500                            714-593-7521

O'Donoghue Rehab Institute              Ohio State University
1122 Northeast                          Dodd Hall
Oklahoma City OK 73126                  472 W Eighth Ave Center
405-271-3606                            Columbus OH 43210
                                        614-293-8000

Rancho Los Amigos Medical Ctr.          Reading Rehabilitation Hsp
7601 East Imperial Highway              R.D. #1, Box 250
Downey CA 90242                         Reading PA 19601
213-940-7111                            215-777-7615

Rehab. Institute of West Florida        Rehab Institute of Chicago
POBox 18900                             345 E Superior Street
Pensacola FL 32523-8900                 Chicago IL 60611
904-474-5358                            312-908-6000

Sacred Heart Rehab Hospital             Santa Clara Valley Med. Ctr.
1545 S Layton Blvd.                     751 S Bascom Ave
Milwaukee WI 53215                      San Jose CA 95128
414-383-4490                            408-299-5100

Sister Kenney Institute                 St. Jude Hosp & Rehab Center
800 E 28th Street                       101 E valencia Mesa Drive
Minneapolis MN 55407                    Fullerton CA 92635
612-863-4400                            714-871-3280

Tampa General Hospital                  The Rehab Hospital of York
Rehab Center                            1850 Normandie Drive
POBox 1289                              York PA 17404
Tampa FL 33606                          717-767-6941
813-251-7000

The Rehabilitation Hospital o/t Pacific The Shepherd Spinal Center
226 N Kuakini Street                    2020 Peachtree Road NW
Honolulu HI 96817                       Atlanta GA 30309
808-531-3511                            404-352-2020

Thomas Jefferson Univ Hospital          U of MD Medical System
Dept. of Rehab Medicine                 Montebello Rehab Hospital
111 S. Eleventh St.  Ste 9604           2201 Argonne Drive
Philadelphia PA 19107                   Baltimore MD 21218
215-955-6573                            301-554-5200

U of Utah Health Science Center         University of Missouri
Rehab Ctr.                              Howard Rusk Rehab Ctr.
50 N Medical Drive  #1R3                One Hospital Drive
Salt Lake City UT 84132                 Columbia MO 65212
801-581-2267                            314-882-4141

Louisiana State Univ. Med. Ctr.                Univ. of Ala. Med. Ctr.
1542 Tulane Avenue                             University Station
New Orleans, LA  70112                         Birmingham, AL 35294
504-568-4630                                   205-934-4011

University of Miami Med. Ctr.                  Craig Hospital
P. O. Box 016960                               3425 South Clarkson Street
Miami, FL  33101                               Englewood, CO  80110
305-547-6418                                   303-789-8000

Northwestern University Med. Ctr.              University Hospital
Spinal Cord Injury Service                     New England SCI Center
250 East Chicago Avenue                        75 East Newton Street
Chicago, IL  60611                             Boston, MA  02118
312-649-3425                                   617-638-8000

Rehabilitation Institute of Detroit            N.Y. Univ. Med. Ctr.
Spinal Injury Unit                             Instit. of Rehab. Medicine
261 Mack Boulevard                             400 East 34th Street
Detroit, MI  48201                             New York, NY  10016
313-745-9700                                   212-340-7300

Univ. of Rorchester Med. Ctr.                  University of Washington
601 Elmwood Avenue                             Dept. of Rehabilitation
Rochester, NY  14642                           Seattle, WA  98105
716-275-2121                                   206-543-3600

Woodrow Wilson Rehab Center
Fisherville VA 22939
703-332-7000

         The Veterans Adminstration operates a number of Spinal Cord Injury
Centers accross the country and provide a full range of rehabilitation
services to eligible veterans.

VA Medical Center                              VA Medical Center
5901 East Seventh Steet                        3801 Miranda Avenue
Long Beach, CA  90801                          Palo Alto, CA  94304
213-494-2611                                   415-493-5000

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
16111 Plummer Street                           1201 N. W. 16th Street
Sepulveda, CA  91343                           Miami, FL  33125
818-891-7711                                   305-324-4455

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
13000 North 30th Street                        940 Belmont Street
Tampa, FL  33612                               Brockton, MA  02401
813-972-2000                                   508-583-4500

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
Fifth Ave. & Roosevelt Rd.                     Jefferson Barracks
Hines, IL  60141                               St. Louis, MO  63125
708-343-7200                                   314-487-0400

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
1400 Veterans of Foreign Wars Pky.             Tremont Ave. & S. Centre St.
West Roxbury, MA  02132                        East Orange, NJ  07019
617-323-7700                                   201-676-1000

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
130 W. Kingsbridge Road                        Castle Point, NY  12511
Bronx, NY  10468                               914-831-2000
212-584-9000

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
10701 East Boulevard                           GPO 4867
Cleveland, OH  44106                           San Juan, P.R.  00938
216-791-3800                                   809-758-7575

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
1030 Jefferson Avenue                          2002 Holcombe Boulevard
Memphis, TN  38104                             Houston, TX  77211
901-523-8990                                   713-795-4411

VA Medcal Center                               VA Medical Center
1201 Broad Rock Boulevard                      5000 West National Avenue
Richmond, VA  23249                            Wood, WI  53193
804-230-0001                                   414-384-2000

VA Medcal Center
Hampton, VA  23667
804-722-9961

   Spinal Cord Injury treatment centers have been established at
four facilities to provide services to children:

Shriners Hospital                              Shriners Hospital
1701 19th Avenue                               2211 N. Oak Park Avenue
San Francisco, CA  94122                       Chicago, IL  60635
415-665-1100                                   312-622-5400

Shriners Hospital                              A. I. DuPont Inst.
8400 Roosevelt Boulevard                       Rockland Road
Philadelphia, PA  19152                        Wilmington, DE 19899
215-332-4500                                  302-651-4000

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Subject: Wheelchair
From: Allison.Cozzi@f3216.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Allison Cozzi)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/3216 - Computer Communicat, Concord Ca


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

-> LC>Well, since there weren't too many people in the store, I decided
-> LC>I'd go ahead, swallow my pride, and ride around in the wheelchair
-> LC>had there (with the basket on the front for a few groceries).  The
->
->       Wow. The grocery store *had* a w/c available?! I'm impressed!
->       What was the chain's name?

     I am in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Safeway nearest me has a
motorized cart with a basket for those who would do better with it than
without it. I still haven't used it but would have no problem using it
if I couldn't do without it. There is only one and I always have figured
that someone else might *need* it when, for me, it would be just more
comfortable to use it. So thumbs up to Safeway!
     While I'm on the subject, thumbs down to Target Stores for the
thoughtless placement of the h/c parking spots. At the Target Store most
convenient for me, they have two handicapped parking spots but they have
placed them so far away from the store that it is nearly impossible for
me on a bad day to get to the store. I asked the manager why they chose
the spaces they did for the handicapped spots since there was nothing
different about them (like curb cuts or extra wide spaces) and he said
that he didn't know and that I was the first person to complain. He as
much as insinuated that it couldn't be much of a problem if noone had
ever complained before. I was a little miffed that he dismissed my
suggestions out of hand. I offerred another explanation for him not
being told before: the other disabled customers couldn't get into the
store or gave up on the idea of getting into the store because of the
placement of the spots.  I got nowhere with him so I sent a letter to
the head office and remionded them that disabled people not only have
rights; they also have money to spend and *this* disabled person would
take my shopping dollar elsewhere as long as they made it so difficult
to get into their store. I never got a response.
                                                      Allison

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Subject: Surgery went fine (hope this message "goes"!) - LAH (his wife)
From: Ed.Stahl@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Stahl)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/140 - Black Bag BBS, Newark DE


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

As I've never used this thing without Ed's expert supervision,
I have no idea if this is working -- as you can tell from looking
at this file's name. (The instructions he left were very clear on
how to read his mail but fuzzon on how to send any.)

Anyway, his surgery went fine. A couple new scars to add to
the collection. Working estimate for his "release" date is
approx. 10 days.

He sends his best to all --

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Subject: Wheelchair
From: Greg.Pickering@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pickering)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

LC>Used to be Food Max, but changed over to Bruno's.  Are you familiar with
LC>them?

        Unfortunately not. I grew up in Calif. and moved to the
        midwest when I was 16. My visits to the southeastern part
        of the country have been very few.

LC>I guess once in awhile we people with less spinal injury than some could
LC>get a good idea of what it's like for those worse than we are by just
LC>riding around in a wheelchair one day.

        I visited a friend not to long ago who is w/c bound. He
        lines alone and does quite well for himself. He has a very
        *interesting* rule in his home. Every visitor has to sit and
        stay in one of the many empty w/c's he has in his living
        room. :) It makes for some very fun learning experiences for
        the able bodied guests.

LC>Thanks.  Would you mind recommending a lightweight w/c?  I'm really

        I have a Quickie manufactured by Motion Designs in CA. Most
        of the major w/c companies offer lightweight chairs these
        days. Since I sense you'll need a easily collapsible or
        portable chair, weight and ease of assembly/disassembly will
        be a factor.

        I can only offer first hand experience with the Quickie
        chair, I might be a bit biased. But, the chair is extremely
        light (18lbs. without cushion) and the rear wheels can be
        removed with a push of a button. Last but not least, they
        offer some very nice colors for the frames! :) Ya gotta look
        good right? (Mine is a nice blue with black nylon seat)

-Pick

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