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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:11:32 GMT

In article <93020.154514TONY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Tony Roder <TONY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>In article <1jjn8lINNg6i@transfer.stratus.com>, bas@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
>(Barbara Sinsabaugh) says:
>>
>>I live in Massachusetts and I'll be travelling in the Monterey and San Simeon
>>area of California during the first week in April.  Can anyone recommend some
>>good restaurants in that area?  I'd like to know about any types of
>>restaurants: seafood and ethnic (including Californian cuisine); expensive or
>>cheap.  I'd also like some recommendations of places to stay in this area.
>
>Down the coast from there, there is Ventana Inn and the Post Ranch Inn (not
>sure about the latter's name); both of them elegant/rustic and very
>expensive.

Post Ranch is just across Hwy 1 from Ventana.  Its sign is easy to
miss, so watch for Ventana's.  We had a marvelous meal there a couple
of weeks ago; over $100 for two, but worth it.  Food at Post Ranch is
several notches above Ventana's.  Both are hotels as well as
restaurants and quite expensive--$250+.  Post Ranch is on the ocean
side of the hwy and rooms are little separate buildings tucked into
the hillside.  Ventana is higher up the hill and seems to be a little
more formal (men often wear jackets at dinner).

In Monterey, the best expensive restaurant has got to be Fresh Cream.
Everything on the menu is special.  Go for the lamb or duck (or the
fish or the ......).

Carmel's Rio Grill is worth a stop for the food (in the Crossroads
Shopping Center).  Sort of California Southwest, with interesting
things like rabbit.  Service can be farcical; on our last visit we got
the wrong wine, a 20-minute wait between courses, an item we didn't
order (it appeared on the bill, though), and TWO changes of waitress
during the meal.

The Sandpiper Inn is a charming b&b in Carmel; ask for an ocean view
room.  Breakfast is quite good, and the garden is lovely.

Carmel Valley has several excellent hotel/resorts.  We liked Carmel
Valley Ranch Resort the best, even though we don't play golf or
tennis.   Quail Lodge has a top-notch, expensive restaurant called the
Covey.  You might still get a special winter rate in early April.
It's worth asking, anyway.
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From: jwest@d-day.nas.nasa.gov (John T. West)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:55:02 GMT
Organization: NAS Branch, NASA Ames Research Center

> Can anyone recommend some good restaurants in that area? 
>anyone recommend a bed & breakfast or a particularly nice inn?   

Just returned from Monterey-Big Sur this weekend, and the road sign
says that Highway 1 is closed 20 miles south of Big Sur (although
it'll probably be reopened by April :-)

However, if you want a bed and breakfast, I'd recommend that you check
the AAA B&B guide since it's got lots of listings.  I'd
recommend either Pacific Grove or Carmel.

We stayed in a nice hotel in Carmel called the Carmel Tradewinds Inn.
It'd up on the hill, so the top floor has a great ocean view.  Also,
while in Carmel we had some great seafood at Flaherty's.

Stop at the Stanton Center while touring Monterey... they have
information on touring the local houses and sights (along with a
nautical museum).

yours,

John

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From: HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: The most romantic BA restaurant
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:00:41 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <Marcy-270193155640@90.133.45.17>,
Marcy@Applelink.Apple.Com (M. Robb) writes:
>As a newcomer to the Bay Area about to plan a very special romantic night
>on the town for my husband's birthday, I find myself hard-pressed to find
>that extremely special spot.  Money is no object.  Any suggestions would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>Thank you in advance!

Marcy,

You don't say where you are or if distance is an object, but in Palo
Alto Maddalenas on Emerson between University and Hamilton is
excellent!  My husband and I use every special occasion to eat
there.  It is small, romantic, art-deco very-tastefully-done and
the food and service GREAT.  Let us know where you end up!

Janet W.
From: frank@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Frank Ma)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:05:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Japanese noodle house?
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: ba.food


After reading the responses to this note, there seems to be some 
confusion about what constitutes "Japanese noodles."  There are
several types of noodles the Japanese eat, in general what we
get here in the area are udon, soba, and ramen.  

Most of the restuarants introduced here in the responses serve
either udon or soba.  Udon is a thick white noodle made from rice 
flour and is generally served hot.  Soba is made from buckwheat, 
is almost greenish, and is serve both hot and cold (zaru soba.)

Ramen is the Japanese adaptation of the Chinese "Lamen", or hand-
pull noodles.  This is the variety that Tampopo was trying to 
perfect in the movie.  It is made from wheat flour and is yellowish
in appearance.  It has a bit of elasticity to it and is somewhat 
chewy (al dente).  It is serve hot or cold: one chooses the miso-based
or shiyu-based broth for hot.  This is the kind that is served around 
train stations in Japan for cheap.  After sampling the various place
in the Bay area, the two that seem quite authentic are:

Ramen-Ya: Burlingame
Iroha: San Francisco Japantown

Frank Ma
frank@hp-ptp.hp.com
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Harris Ranch (was Re: Harris Rance)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:16:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan16.055239.26870@StarConn.com> jpp@StarConn.com (John Pettitt) writes:
>atom@soda.berkeley.edu (Allen Tom) writes:
>>You probably had the steak at the Harris Ranch in Coalinga. It's probably
>>the best place to eat north of the nearest In N Out Burger... 
>
>bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan) replies:
>>I had only eaten at this place once.  While the steaks were decent,
>>it was not what I would've expected from a steak restaurant that had
>>it's own meat supply next door.  
>
>I second that - we flew down (Harris has it's own airstrip) because we
>had been told it was *great* steak.  Well it was very average and rather
>overpriced.  Now if you want a good steak then Jonseys steak house at
>Napa airport is great, yes a good place to eat at an airport!  
>

ah ha, another good place to eat at an airport! my absolute favorite
place to eat, at an airport or anywhere else, for Mexican food is
Zuniga's at the Watsonville International Airport off hwy 1 on 
Airport Road in Watsonville - Zuniga's was originally in a great victorian
house on Freedom Blvd in Freedom, but the 89 quake did some damage to
the house, and about that time, Michael's Belly Landing at the airport
was for sale (due to a divorce) - so, Zuniga's bought into the place and
set up business there - they make great chili colorado & chili verde -
their combination plates are _huge_ - they have full bar service - their
salsa's great - they make a chili relleno that's not greasy....

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From: david@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (David M. Alexander)
Subject: Re: NY style pickles (summary of replies)
Originator: david@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:02:23 GMT


You may recall that a few weeks ago I posted a request for info on local
places to get NY style pickles.  I received a few helpful responses, which
are summarized below (attributions removed but thanks to those who replied).
I have not had an opportunity to follow up and actually _go_ to any of these
places yet, so I can not comment on the validity of any of these
recommendations.  That said, here's the information I received for anyone
else who may be interested:





	There's a Nyorkish deli on Sutter St tween Stockton and Powell
	in SF which a friend from Long Island says has all the really
	"good" food.  I would guess David's on Geary near Taylor would
	probably have those big pickles, too.


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	For great New York style pickles, go to a Lunardi's market.
	There is one in Los Gatos.  Look in the packaged deli section
	and you will find Bubbles Pickles.

	Personally, I'm not keen on them, but my ex-New Yorker husband
	is thrilled as you can be about them.  He thinks that they
	resemble the ones straight from the barrel.

	Give them a try.  Enjoy!


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	Have you tried that German place (Wurst Haus?) on San Antonio?
	It is on the right hand side as you are going towards El Camino
	(between California and El Camino). Never been there, but I 
	would think that they might have some....


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	I've seen Ba Tampte half-sours at Trader Joe's. You might ask at the
	branch in Menlo Park (I saw them in San Rafael, some time ago).
	They are also served at Saul's delicatessen here in Berkeley--so
	check other New York-style deli places (e.g., Brother's, on Howard Ave.
	off El Camino in Burlingame). 


(summarizer's note: I have been to one sort of NY-ish deli, The Jew and
The Gentile Deli on Shoreline Ave. in Mt. View, and the pickles there
were absolutely awful, but this says nothing about any other deli.)


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	Have you discovered Max's yet..at the Stanford Mall?




Dave Alexander
From: mjohnson@netcom2.Netcom.COM (Mark Johnson)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: In search of sushi
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:20:52 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service

I tried to send this by email but it bounced.  Therefore,
public distribution.

 >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 > 550 .opus.com.ddn... 550 Host unknown
 > 550 dc@.opus.com (Don Lundell)... Host unknown


Some net readers rave about Motomachi in Mt. View.  Castro
4 doors SOUTH (away from Central xpwy) of El Camino.

Others like We Be Sushi in Sunnyvale.

The "corporate partner is here from Japan so lets do a
big feast" place has always been Ikenohana in Cupertino.
My Toshiba (Kawasaki) pals say it is very, very good.  Maybe
they are just being polite.

Americanized sushi parlor (boats/water rather than conveyor
belt) Sono Sushi in Mountain View is often praised.

I happen to like a little family joint tucked into
the Circuit City strip mall.  Called Midoriya.  Beware,
it has teriyaki on the menu.

--MJ
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman)
Subject: Re: Where to feed when going south on I-5?
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 03:07:16 GMT

>sometimes via the coast route the whole way.) Thirteen or fourteen hours
>in a car isn't a picnic but it's certainly reasonable. With a decent car,

I would have jumped to the conclusion that 13 or 14 hrs in a car is 
unreasonable.  On the other hand, with a decent car, and a couple of 
good chauffeurs working in shifts...      

-- 
 Daniel Brockman             tel 415-953-0406, fax 415-622-2892
 Bank of America, Dept 5906, 555 Calif St
 San Francisco 94104 USA    email uunet!odinba!dan dan@bofa.com
From: herb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Herb Gellis)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Re: Great Wine Tasting Bars in South Bay (was: Christil's Thursday Dinner)
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:15:32 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

>/ hpindda:ba.food / sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) /  1:17 pm  Jan 26, 1993 /
>In article <1993Jan26.193630.29652@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>
>>P.S. Anyone know of any great South Bay winetasting bars, like
>>VinVinoWine in Palo Alto?
>
>Beltramo's, on teh peninnsula is one that comes to mind - although its
>a liquor store that has tstings, not just a bar
>
>also, The Best in Aptos does a similar thing
----------
It would be a stretch for me to call Burlingame in the "south bay", but I can
recommend another wine shop that has tastings all the time (every day).
Typically about 8-12 wines available, in all price ranges and areas of the
world. The shop is "Weimax", right on one of the "main drags"...
I believe it's the Broadway exit off 101 (same exit as for the off-premises pay
parking lots of the San Francisco airport), but I have been fooled before ;-(

ciao,
Herb
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From: HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Breakfast Places in SF?
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:45:49 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <colleen-280193102654@kip-46.apple.com>,
colleen@apple.com (Colleen Delgadillo) writes:
>I know San Francisco is known for its places to go for dinner, but where
>are some great places to go if you want Breakfast?  The only great places I
>know of where you get hearty delicious meals have been in the Berkeley area
>(ie: Fat Apples & West Side Bakery and Cafe).  Now that I am in San
>Francisco I am hoping that there are some places just like that here too!
>Do you know of any great places like these in SF?
>
Try Home Plate on Lombard in S.F.

Janet W.
From: haynes@fivenine.apple.com (Charles Haynes)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Where to feed when going south on I-5?
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:23:27 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.030716.7181@BofA.com> dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman) writes:
>>sometimes via the coast route the whole way.) Thirteen or fourteen hours
>>in a car isn't a picnic but it's certainly reasonable. With a decent car,

>I would have jumped to the conclusion that 13 or 14 hrs in a car is 
>unreasonable.  On the other hand, with a decent car, and a couple of 
>good chauffeurs working in shifts...      

Most modern cars aren't really meant for touring. In a car like a
Lexus or a big Acura or almost any BMW or Mercedes a trip like that is
a positive pleasure. I usually do it in four stages - San Francisco to
San Louis Obisbo, SLO to Santa Barbara, SB to Los Angelese, LA to San
Diego. At the end of each stage stop for a half hour or so, get out of
the car, walk around, visit a cafe. On the drive itself, don't focus on
"getting there" but enjoy the drive. Slow down, enjoy the scenery. On 1 near
the coast, enjoy the feel of driving around all those mountain turns. If,
as you're driving you see something interesting, STOP and look at it.

If you're goal oriented - take 5 and eat at fast food places.

	-- Charles
From: HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Fourth Street Grill
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:54:38 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan27.223649.3568@netcom.com>,
mdk1@netcom.com (Mark Kaplanoff) writes:
>I wonder if others saw the review of the Berkeley restaurant
>The Fourth Street Grill in the _Chronicle_ today (1-27-93).
>I have never read such a vituperative restaurant review, and
>I find the review TOTALLY contrary to my own extensive
>experience of The Fourth Street.  According to the reviewer,
>the kitchen can barely cook, the staff arehardly competent,
>and diners cannot hear their own conversations.  I discovered
>The Fourth Street about four months ago and have driven over
>from San Francisco to have dinner there once or twice a week
>since.  (It does help that I have friends in Berkeley who joint
>me.)  To me the food has been consistently interesting, well
>cooked, and well presented, and the restaurant has the most
>relaxed and interestingly mixed atmosphere of any I know in
>the Bay Area.  When I have friends visiting from Europe, I
>invariably take them there, as the best place to show them why
>dining out in California is special.
>
>If others who read this newsgroup have recent experiences of
>The Fourth Street, I would be very interested whether their views
>are closer to mine or to those of the _Chronicle_ reviewer.

I have gone to the Fourth Street Grill since the early 80s though
not alot lately because we moved from Berkeley.  I was there for
lunch one day this past summer and it was memorable - wonderful food
and superb service.  I'm surprised at the Chron.

Janet W.
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein)
Subject: Re: NY style pickles (summary of replies)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 06:06:01 GMT

Jamie Bronstein
History Department
Stanford University
disraeli@leland.stanford.edu
My mouth waters just thinking about the big bowl of pickled
things they set down in front of you at the Carnegie Deli, however...


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From: jql@synopsys.Synopsys.COM (Julie Lewis)
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Organization: Synopsys Inc., Mountain View, CA 94043
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:00:10 GMT

Well, there may not be many hotels in San Simeon itself, however
Cambria has quite  few and it's pretty close by.  Last time we
were there we stayed at The Silver Surf.  Eight years ago it was
very nice, and pretty inexpensive.  There were a couple of rooms
with ocean views and fireplaces.  It's more like a Best Western
kind of place than a Hilton, but it was nice.
-- 
Julie Lewis                                    jql@synopsys.com
"What did I expect to find behind a door that's been sealed for
three centuries?  Monty Hall?"  --Erica Kane, locked in a crypt
From: Marcy@Applelink.Apple.Com (M. Robb)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: The most romantic BA restaurant
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:57:50 GMT
Followup-To: ba.food
Organization: Apple Computer

As a newcomer to the Bay Area about to plan a very special romantic night
on the town for my husband's birthday, I find myself hard-pressed to find
that extremely special spot.  Money is no object.  Any suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: The most romantic BA restaurant
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:53:13 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <Marcy-270193155640@90.133.45.17> Marcy@Applelink.Apple.Com (M. Robb) writes:
>As a newcomer to the Bay Area about to plan a very special romantic night
>on the town for my husband's birthday, I find myself hard-pressed to find
>that extremely special spot.  Money is no object.  Any suggestions would be
>greatly appreciated.

Julius' Castle in San Francisco.  High up on a hill, intriguing location
(I had _no_ idea where we were going when taken there for my birthday),
formal but friendly service, beautiful presentation, delicious rack of lamb.

-- 
Linda V. Hill                           "Nakia", Hans Christian 33
Network Equipment Technologies          Email: linda@net.com
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Phone: (415) 780-5785
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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: East Bay Breakfast
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:13:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

> Homemade on Hollis has been so inconsistent
> that we don't go there any more.

They are no longer inconsistent.  They are non-existent.
(That's about as _consistent_ as you can get!)

Does anybody but me like the Tea Spot on San Pablo?
They use to serve dinner, and were never very good at
it; now they stick to breakfast/brunch, which is 
what they do well.

Steve
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: dd@adobe.com (David DiGiacomo)
Subject: Re: Great International Ice Cream Place
Originator: dd@gardenia
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:45:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.045741.24412@netcom.com> mohang@netcom.com (Mohan
Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>  I would like to reccomend an Ice Cream Place that I frequent in the 
>Santa Clara - Sunnyvale Area. It is called REAL ICE CREAM and is located
>at the corner of El Camino Real and Callabazas Blvd(half a block N of 
>Bowers/Kiely and about 2 locks S of Lawrence). It is behind the TACO
>Bell in the shopping Plaza. The Place serves some of the Best NON-
>TRADITIONAL ICE CREAMS(i.e. ones not found in BASKIN ROBBINS or 
>other places). FLAVORS INCLUDE LEECHY, MANGO, PISTACHIO, SAFFRON-PISTACHIO,
>AND A VARIETY OF ITALIAN SPECIALITY ICE CREAMS. The place also serves 
>some good tasting Indian Snacks(if you care). 

I tried it, and I wanted to like it, but I didn't think the ice cream was
very good -- closer to Baskin-Robbins than Double Rainbow in quality.
From: HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Affordable dining in *downtown* SF?
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:54:24 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <nomi.728249977@cgl.ucsf.edu>,
nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu (Nomi L. Harris) writes:
>Sometimes I go to plays or other events downtown, and I would like to be
>able to park once (e.g. Sutter & Stockton garage) and eat dinner and then
>walk to the site of entertainment.  (This Saturday, for example, I'll be
>seeing a play at Geary @ Mason.)  The Union Square area seems to have
>plenty of department stores, but not very many restaurants, and those that
>I've seen there look somewhat overpriced.  Can anyone recommend a good
>place to eat in that area?  It doesn't have to be dirt-cheap, but I don't
>like feeling ripped off, y'know?
>
>BTW, has anyone tried Val 21 on Valencia (which is in the Mission, not
>downtown)?  I read a good review and am thinking of taking some friends
>there, but would like to hear first-hand opinions.
>
>        Nomi Harris
>        nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu
Nomi,
Try Kuletos on Powell in the block below Macys.  It is possible to
spend alot of money there, but also possible to have something light
very reasonably.

Janet W.