HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paul_l@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (PAUL LIDDARD)
Subject: REPOST (THE ULTIMATE SECRET)
Summary: I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE POSTINGS OF THE ULTIMATE SECRET AND ANY OF THE INFO ABOUT THE GREYS AND THEIR SECRET ABDUCTIONS.
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:06:18 GMT

LIKE TO HAVE THE ULTIMATE SECRET BULLITINS REPOSTED.  WOULD LIKE TO SAVE THE 
INFO FOR MY OWN RESEARCH.   ANY INFO IS APPRICIATED.  THANKS
 <<<<<<<<<<<SLIM THE FAT-MAN LIDDARD>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ)
Subject: Re: the missing link
Organization: Huh?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:53:20 GMT

gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:

>...
>were the dinosaurs erradicated before the experiment began for any 
>certain reason? 

What makes you think the dinosaurs were eradicated by an intelligent force?

>...  are hussein and kadaffee(sp?) the pinacle of the species?  
No.

>was hitler? 
No.

>cindy crawford?
No.

Samantha Fox?
Yes.
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:08:08 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Further to 7731

In article <Bt5343.712@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
> In article <n06m5h_.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>>Most abductees never talk about their experiences because people like you
>>call those experiences "obviously false" just because they took a ride
blah blah blah
>>messages given them to relate to others. Most have never sought to attract
>>attention to themselves, let alone written a book about the experience,
>>and many will not step forward for the betterment of man-kind because
>>of PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
> 
>   Oh, ca-ca.   People Like Us (PLU's) so not apply any stricter standards
>   of evidence to this topic than to any strong claim.  If someone claims
>   that heavier-than-air machines can fly or pictures can be transmitted
>   through thin air or razors placed under a pyramid become sharper or 
>   inexpensive exothermic cold nuclear fusion is possible then I expect 
>   evidence for these claims.
blah blah
>   don't believe the former, so why should I believe the latter?   The
>   bottom line in both cases: EVIDENCE.
OK No evidence for All Powerfull Entities etc, BUT their is concrete 
evidence for the existance of aliens and there is a good possibility
of abductions etc. This evidence is all around you. Infact, one of
the points in the Rio TalkFest was cutting down the ammount of
evidence. The overcrowding of this planet by evidence and the destruction
of the habitats of other type of evidence is a serious environmental
problem. GET DA DRIFT?
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: New LITE Beer Commercial with aliens
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 07:31:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.154014.27000@acd4.acd.com>

Dear TV Commercial Watchers: A three star general in the last few years
(while he was in the service) was approached by our government to be 
part of a thing called Project Awareness (or something to that effect).
In this program he was to be given money to spread around to TV people,
authors, movies and other people to start telling the truth to the 
general public. This would sort of soften up the public.  It was stated
that we had made a contract with some of the Greys to get technology from
them and all we had to do was to let the Greys abduct our people for
genetic engineering and other things. They were supposted to give us a 
report of how many they were taking. Now its got out of hand and the 
Greys are taking about 2,000 people a year and not--------JW.
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From: arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: military helicopters lights
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:25:39 GMT

In article <3384@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ric
 Pavek) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.165303.1844@HQ.Ileaf.COM> hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wa
leigh) writes:
>>And DON'T let anybody hypnotize you unless you have a reason.  If you w
nt to
>
>What about the abduction victims that remembered being abducted WITHOUT
>ever being hypnotized?  
>
>Why is the assumption made that if the subject was hypnotized for the
>purposes of recollecting incidents, and the incidents happen to include
>abduction, that the hypnotist HAD to have lead the subject?
>
>I mean, we're not talking about lounge act Hypnotists here... this is
>a clinical setting.
>
>Rick
>
>-- 
>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its progra
.
>                                 |           
>Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
>                                 |          and annoys the droid.  



What clinical setting?  Hopkins is far from professional in his
practices, and as I understand it he uses his studio for these
sessions.

Aimee
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Rick Pavek Needs a Flame (was: Crop Circles?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:46:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug18.155538.20104@rhrk.uni-kl.de> kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring) writes:
>
>-- 
>--------------thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany---------------
>Definition:  Idiot-proof  -  you are idiot-proof when you NEVER flame anybody.


I like your sig...  ;-)


Assertion:  Not all crop circles can be easily explained by 
the hoaxters.  The crop circles they made don't resemble the majority
of the crop circles.

I'll be gathering my data.  

I also find it interesting that interspersed between my posts and
others' posts there have been some that came forth with data that
pointed to the conclusion that circles have been created that show
signs of other-than-human manufacture...  yet these have been oddly
ignored.  There is obviously a correlation between the amount of
data needed to prove a point and the willingness of the recipient
to be believed.

Thank you for your opinions.  Once again, you missed the point.

Rick

-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.  
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From: foxd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (daniel fox)
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:01:23 GMT

By the very nature of a coverup you can only point to cases were the coverup
was not completely successful.  A successful coverup would never be pointed
to as an example of a successful coverup.

                                       Daniel B. Fox
                                       KF9ET
.standard disclaimer
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: *_-_*_Tour_A|ps_*_-_*
Summary: *_-_*_Tour_Alps_*_-_*
Keywords: every say is a new day ...
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:37:11 GMT
Followup-To: *_-_*_Tour-Alps_*_-_*
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: *_-_-_*_The_Way_Alps_......_*_-_-_*
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:29:35 EET-DST
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
&&>>
&&>>	Hey, Alex
&&>>
&&>>	Sorry I am busy this moment and can't write you more .
&&>>	Yesterday while I am sitting at the table. A fellow run into my
&&>>	and bullshit a lot thing about life ...
&&>>	
&&>>	Today I also receive a postcard from Switzland. Those fellows are 
&&>>	on the way to Alps.
&&>>		
&&>>	On the letter, they complain a lot about the hard life, even though
&&>>	it's so romantic, or exciting ...
&&>>
&&>>	I wrote back a letter and tell them I got the feeling about life. I try
&&>>	to calm them down but I even cannot persuade myself to get rid of 
&&>>	nervous ...
&&>>
&&>>	On the bottom of my letter, I said that at least they must be happy 
&&>>	because they are on the way to Alps ...
&&>>
&&>>	And today I receive a telegraph from Switzland. They tell me they do
&&>>	are on the way ...
&&>>
&&>>	I reply a E-mail, and just write :
&&>>	" ... Long Live Understanding ... "
&&>>
&&>>	This is a miserable student in the Lab. on a dummy day ;(
&&>>	Ps. It is said that tomorrow will be better ... So it's hopeful ;)
&&>>
&&>>	Heyheyheyheyheyhey, I will write to you later ...
&&>>
&&>>	Have fun !!!
&&>>
&&>>	Yours
&&>>
&&>>	Wing, 2 Dan
&&>>
&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:04:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <63863@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug12.165518.11656@ryn.mro4.dec.com>

Dear Tom: Your right the earth could have grown by 800 or 852 miles.
It think it hasn't grown that much. The earth should live to an age of 
72.9 trillion years. This information came from T. Lobsang Rampa while
he was talking to a person on another planet. The dust fact did come
from a conventional Astronomer. Planets are usually destroyed as part of 
a super nova and then they start over again as part of something else.
Now let me give you another fact. The Earth's resonate frequency is 8.3
cycles per second (which varies a little due to certain factors).  I wear
a watch that has a transmitter in it that puts out a wave of energy at
about the same frequency as the Earth resonant frequency. This shields
me from ELF (extremely low frequency) radiation.  John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Reply-To: stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com (David R. Stepien)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:11:52 GMT


arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell) writes:

> As I understand it, the Science News article took great care to call
> the circles hoaxes, and to point out that some people had already
> come forward saying that they had made some of the circles.
>
> I wouldn't really call that article a good reference, if one were
> looking for support of the "aliens are coming" theory.

True, the article does "assume" the circles are hoaxes, and some certainly 
are.  Nevertheless, the information on the various geometrical proofs and 
ratios found in the circle designs is discussed in detail, and is very 
interesting no matter what your theory as to their origin may be (mine 
is distinctly non-human).  These strange geometries need to be considered
along with other evidence not discussed in the Science News article, such
as the unbroken stalks of "true" circles (impossible to reproduce by 
trampling.)

Here's another interesting thing from the Crop Circle Communique video:
Some German students managed to videotape a small white disk flying through
a crop formation in the middle of the day, then ascending into the air and
disappearing.  This is clearly visible in the video.  Once again, no one
can explain it.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:02:59 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug13.172314.4356@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes:
>
>Rick Slater (not to be confused with Pavek)

They've been doing that... haven't they?
Thanks!  Rick :-)

-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:32:43 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <63914@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
[...]
>The dust fact did come from a conventional Astronomer.

John, I am shocked at your behavior.  Actually using a reputable source
is just not like you.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

	RA
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From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.031950.19615@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton) writes:
>
> did anyone see the "in search of" epsidode where the "rock hounds"
> found the "spark plug like device?"
> 
> it was imbedded in a rock said to be many thousands of years old.
> what was that thing, where is it now and what do *they* call it.

Yea, I saw it.  Don't know what that thing was though....

What about those Indian hyroglyphics?  Elephant, Horse, UFO, Sin Wave.....


Rich...

-- 
{ the itchman cometh   /-/         _          i don't want to be your angel }
{ itch@cbnews.att.com /-/        _|_|_          i want to be your witch!    }
{ att!cbnews!itch \-\/-/         ( * )tch                 -yello            }
{                  \/\/           /^\                                       }
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Hatton: CIA or ET
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:03:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug12.041842.15428@bilver.uucp>
  <1992Aug12.165144.19264@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>

Dear Thinkers: Hatton according to you people must be a pretty bad dude.
It's too bad I didn't know that when I read his material. I am farmiliar
with ASSK and have studied most of their material. I think more of Sister 
Thedra the person who does their channeling than anyone on Earth. It seems
this happens over and over again. A person like J.C. comes along and 
people start an organization to further his teaching and they wind up 
killing people who don't become members of that group. It happened with
the person that started the I AM Group and also L. Ron Hubbard. I recently
tried to get permission to post some information from Dr. Doreal (now dead)
about Mt. Shasta. The people don't want the world to hear about it they want
to control it themselves and sell it for money. John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: Whitley Strieber
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:52:33 GMT

In article <250m3zb.jeffp@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>  i gues the above attitudes of PLU's are why one of my favorite quotes is
>by an MD and Surgon, Dr. Greer, who is also the founder of CSETI:
>(paraphrased a little)
>
>"I deal with science everyday, life and death stuff. And I'm here to tell you
>UFO's and extraterrestrials are real; and just because Jon Q. Scientist says
>there not only means he's a SPIRITUAL CRETIN."

To paraphrase even more: "I am a scientist (pronounce demi-god), and I tell
you this is so-and-so.  If you say the opposite, you are a cretin."  That's
definitely the silliest choice of a favorite quote I ever heard.  It only
consists of an appeal to authority and a rude assertion of "I am definitely
right and you are not."  Well, it fits.

-- 
--------------thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany---------------
Definition:  Idiot-proof  -  you are idiot-proof when you NEVER flame anybody.
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: tides
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:54:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I promised references, and here they come.

For a simple-minded treatment, "The Cambridge Encyclopaedia of Astronomy",
Simon Mitton MA PhD, ed., 1977; pg. 178-179, the standard gravity gradient
explanation is given.

For some real meat, "Fundamentals of Celestial Mechanics", 2nd Edition,
J.M.A.Danby, 1988; chapter 5 is "Some Properties of Solid Bodies". In section
5.7 he shows (mathematically) how a sphere of liquid behaves under tidal
distortion. "...the free surface of [the liquid] must be an equipotential
surface in the combined fields of [the liquid] and [the attracting body]."
There is no mention of rotation or centrifugal forces, as there's no need for
any. He goes on to derive the shape of the equipotential surface of
the liquid, namely an ellipsoid, with a long axis in the direction of the
attracting body. The liquid simply takes on the shape with the lowest
potential energy, in which "there are two symmetrical bulges pointing toward
and away from [the attracting body]."

As far as treating tides as a two-body problem, it's basically not relevant.
The classical "two-body problem" is simply the examination of the motions of
two masses in orbit about their common center of mass. This has nothing to do
with tides, which are an effect of gravitational fields.

As for the world changing their tide predictions because I'm somehow shaking
the foundations of the theory, don't worry about it. As Danby states, "In
practice, forcasting of tides is largely empirical." Seems tide prediction
is a matter of harmonic combinations of certain parameters of the Moon's and
Earth's orbits, and is based on empirical "station constants" from
observations of actual tides over several years. In other words, it has little
to do with the kind of "theory from first principles" discussed above. See for
instance Donald Olson, Dept. of Physics, Southwest Texas State University,
"The Tide at Tarawa" in "Sky & Telescope", Nov.1987, in which he uses methods
from "Manual of Harmonic Analysis and Prediction of Tides", Special
Publication 98 of the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey. 

Now, the answers to the two questions:
-What would happen to the tides if the Earth/Moon system could be made
 stationary? Nothing, since they have nothing to do with the motion of the
 system.
-Why do solar tides occur on both sides of the Earth? For the same reason that
 lunar tides do: the gravitational gradient, or the oceans taking the shape
 with the lowest potential energy in the combined gravitational fields of the
 Earth and Sun.

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
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From: arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:37:34 GMT

In article <3306@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ric
 Pavek) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.150520.21049@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> arpowell@nyx.cs.
u.edu (Aimee Powell) writes:
>>As I understand it, the Science News article took great care to call
>>the circles hoaxes, and to point out that some people had already
>>come forward saying that they had made some of the circles.
>>
>>I wouldn't really call that article a good reference, if one were
>>looking for support of the "aliens are coming" theory.
>
>A citation is a citation is a citation...
>
>The only problem with this one is that the Science News is a rehash,
>kind of a Readers Digest of the Scientific publications, and no
>original research was done.  I'm sure you could also find all manner
>of publications that say that the Reagan era was good for civil
>liberties, too.  That wouldn't change anything...
>
>I don't want you to get the wrong idea about my comments...  I'm not
>jumping on your citation because it doesn't agree with me...  rather
>that I haven't actually claimed the aliens are coming, rather I'v
>tried to leave the door open to explanations other than human.
>I have no evidence the aliens are coming.  What my opinion is has no
>bearing on this case.  I can't prove there are aliens and I don't
>intend to.  I'm simply stating that there is reason to doubt that
>humans with mechanical implements created the majority of the
>crop circles and that any explanation is only a theory.  Even the
>two hoaxters (that were reported to have recanted their story) could
>be hoaxing their confession.  Until someone can stand in the middle
>of one forming, with a camera, tape recorder or other instruments
>there will always be doubt.  Heck, until the Leyden Jar and the
>Galvanometer scientists doubted there was such a radical thing
>as electricity!!  
>
>I can't prove a negative any more than someone can prove the positive.
>I can't prove the aliens made any of the crop circles and no one can
>prove to the same level of certainty that humans created all of them.
>
>Sure, you can jump on the simple explanation and try to make it apply
>to all of the circles...  any fool can do that...
>
>Rick
>:-)
>-- 
>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its progra
.
>kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
>AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
>r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  




Unsolved Mysteries *did* set up cameras to find out what was
going on a couple (?) of years ago, and caught people faking 
the circles.

Of course, this has not resulted in a major story on that show,
nor on any others that carry the crop circle stories regularly.

'mee
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Stealth UFO or something?
Summary: possible explanation
Keywords: I don't know but maybe
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 14:50:10 GMT
Expires: 9/20/92

I have frequently seen the sort of thing you describe at airports.  It comes
from the combination of wingtip vortex and hot jet exhaust.  It forms a
cone-shaped "bubble" of swirling warm air that persists and travels at a fairly
low altitude.  It is most commonly seen in cold weather and can persist for
several minutes.  The formation of these things requires both a regular
swirl of air (as with a wingtip vortex) and a locally-heated pocket of air to
be trapped in the vortex.  They are generally quite low (travelling on
ground-effect dynamics) and could be very easily mistaken for a larger object
at a greater distance.

To see more, sit off the end of the active runway at a commercial airport on
a cold day.  These things could be generated by any combination of warm air
and turbulance, although not as reqularly as when formed by heavy slow jets
under full power.

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