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From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:06:47 GMT

In article <WVENABLE.92Nov5130207@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>
>Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
>the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
>the bullet and go anyway?
>


I'm not of the huge variety, but have a suggestion.  Last year I took
a water aerobics class through the county.  It was pretty reasonably
priced and lots of fun.  About 1/2 the people in the class were of the
large-to-huge variety, and there were very few actually skinny, fit people 
(besides the instructor).  I took a similar class a few years ago when 
I lived in a very small college town, and found it to be much the same.

You should check that out, you might find that you aren't alone, and maybe
would feel less self-conscious than if you were doing regular swimming.

(Although I don't know if the original poster, who has an inflamed foot,
could do this.)

Has anyone tried a water step aerobics class??  I've heard of them but
haven't tried it yet.

Also, you could consider swimming very early in the morning.  Our county
pools open at 6 AM.  Anyone who gets up that early to swim probably doesn't
care how big the person in the next lane is or isn't, and once you're in
the water, you're less visible anyway.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Won't have Sex with a Fat Guy/Successful weight loss
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct31.214929.344@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>
>Because of this, one cannot just stop eating or go on a very low
>calorie diet. The person won't lose fat, they'll lose muscle mass
>since it's protein is the only other source of glucose. 

The person *will* lose fat, they'll just lose too much lean body
mass.  You will always lose some LBM with a diet, but you don't
want to lose too much.

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From: teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Losing inches!!!!!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:11:58 -0800
Organization: Hell's Little Breakfast Nook
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                 Yay Lenore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:10:14 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1du26hINNl97@agate.berkeley.edu>,
mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu writes:
> 
> Thanks to some kind person here, I saw Oprah's show yesterday on food
compulsions.

I would also like to thank that person.  I had already read Geneen's books but
had never caught her on a talk show.  I do believe alot of what she says and
have enjoyed her books very much.  Although I don't follow her method for
losing weight I believe that it would make a good maintenance program for me
when I hit my goal.  Thanks again, and I enjoyed the show very much.

Any other comments on the show or her books?

					Peggy

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:00:18 GMT

In article <Nov.11.11.36.37.1992.17604@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>Can you do me a favor  and tell me your typical daily schedule?  I can't
>seem to find time to exercise.  How many credits are you taking?  How many
>hours a day do you work? 

A typical day is walk from 7-8AM, work from 9-6 (walk at lunch), and then
walk from 7-8PM.  Still time for errands, TV, or studying ('til 11).

I have class two nights a week, and I generally walk after them as well (last
night I walked from 8:30-9:30).
 
>These aren't exuses.  This is my life.  School and work are my priority.
>I wish I could move exercise up there, but its difficult.  

I don't really know what to say.  You have simply made a different choice
for your life than I have for mine.  But I'm saying that my choice has
helped me to maintain a low weight for the first time in my adult life.
If that's not your priority now, so be it.  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jml@cs.bham.ac.uk (Jane Littlehales)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: The trauma of buying clothes
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:05:16 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham Univ. UK

In <83116@ut-emx.uucp> Anita writes:

>I pick things out in what I think is my size and go into the fitting room.
>First, I am faced with having to stare at my unclothed body in the mirror.
>And that makes me unhappy.  Then, things seldom fit and look the way I
>want them to look. 

I always pick something I'm pretty sure will be too big to give me the pleasure
of saying 'I need the smaller size'!

My fave sports gear is anything in lycra as it stretches so wonderfully. Large
men's shorts are going to be large in the waist as that is where men tend to put
on fat. As women are far more generous in the hip and thigh area I would have
thought it was pretty obvious to the shop that shorts aren't unisex! The only
women who can fit men's shorts haven't got any hips.

Try another sports shop, or more specialist catalogue, but keep exercising!

Jane
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: One whole week
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:55:20 -0500

In article <95759@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>I just wanted to say I just finished my first whole week of not
>overeating.  I'm attempting to just change my eating habits so that I no
>longer eat for any reason other than hunger.  That means I'm eating only
>when I'm hungry, and I'm not eating until I'm stuffed -- just until I'm no
>longer hungry.

Congrats!

>I'm finding I can't eat very much if I'm only eating to satisfy hunger. 
>That means that what I do eat has to count nutritionally, so I'm not
>eating much in the way of junk food.  
>
>This may not sound like much, but for me ... it feels really, really good.
>So far I haven't had any real temptation to binge, or even snack.  The
>food I do eat tastes _amazingly_ good; it's like all the flavors have
>intensified.  

Yes, I changed my outlook on things as well.  I have begun to look at
the situation at not simply trying to lose weight... but trying to
feel better.  So you always see immediate results.  I can spend ONE
day and eat well and feel so much better starting the next morning...
and that's something which is easily kept in mind and a strong
reminder when you do something less than healthy.  For instance, this
weekend I ate too much junk food, drank a bit, and feel like SHIT.
I'm going to go home, have a big glass of water, some fruit for a
snack, and get back on track.  Ugh. 

amy
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:10:25 GMT

In article <BxL1A7.MDI@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
# 
# Is anyone else out there pursuing a totally nonfat diet? Is it
# appropriate to post recipes in this group? If so, has anyone got
# any? Any cookbook recommendations? I can recommend two ...

Jessica, I try to keep my fat intake to below 20 gms/day.  You could
take a look at the McDougal cookbooks (vol 1 & 2) for ideas (you'll
find the books in the vegetarian section).   I also look through vegan
cookbooks to find non-fat recipes.  You don't have to be a vegetarian
to make use of some of the lowfat recipes :-).

Tom
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: wensel@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sharon Taylor)
Subject: time of day
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:13:26 GMT

Two comments:

First of all, please change the "Subject:" field when
you post a message with a new topic.  I'm tired of
seeing the subject field
"Re: Won't have Sex with a Fat Guy/Successful weight loss"

Anyway, I wanted to comment on the following post:

>I don't really believe the time of the day one eats matters all that much.
>What does matter is the total amount of energy one takes in and the total
>amount of energy one uses during the day. If you use more calories (by way
>of excercise) than you get by eating, you will lose weight. Of course, 
>if you cut back on your late-night meals, you will simply be cutting the
>total amount you eat, and that will help. Unless you compensate for the
>loss by having an extra pancake in the morning.

I've found that the time of day I eat is extremely important.
I am always less successful with my weight loss on the days when 
my calorie consumption is concentrated at the end of the day
(specifically, the evening).  Even if the total calorie count
is exactly the same, I am more successful when most of my
calories are consumed earlier in the day.

I'm interested in what other people have experienced
in terms of the time of day they eat most of their calories.

/sharon
(wensel@cory.berkeley.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: Re: The trauma of buying clothes
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:33:57 GMT

When I wore "normal" size clothes, I loved to shop.  Now that the
XL and XXL don't always fit (WHEN you can find them!), I do most
of my shopping in catalogs, like Romans and Lane Bryant.  I know
what size from those places fits me, so there's no guesswork.  I
just wish they had a larger choice of business-type clothes.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:55:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <WVENABLE.92Nov5130207@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>Ummm...  Swimming would be fine if I had my own swimming pool with a *very*
>high fence.  

I always figured it'd take an island well away from the shipping lanes
for me to consider it.

>Pity, since I can swim quite well and I agree swimming would be
>an excellent all round exercise.
>Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
>the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
>the bullet and go anyway?

I don't have a "great difficulty" with the idea--I wouldn't even
remotely consider it unless someone pushed me in the water and it
was that or drown.  It took some doing to get over the idea that I
looked ridiculous in my sweatpants panting my way along the
side of the road much less swimming.  However back in August I did 
manage to work up to walking along a beach so I suppose that's
progress--let's just describe my earlier habits as hermetical and
leave it at that, so my experience is probably atypical.

>[Obligartory scales anecdote: I had a minor panic this week...

I really think one week is too short of a time be significant
in measuring changes in body weight.  This is just my opinion
in having tracked my own weight changes since the beginning 
of September.  Changes in weight take a long time and short term
changes can be masked by a wide variety of factors.  

It takes a long time to lose weight.  Think in terms of months
and years and not days or weeks...
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:23:45 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <Nov.13.11.27.01.1992.3515@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>Do you think that if I could find a half hour each day to use the
>Stairmaster, or swim, that it would make a difference.  I mean,
>without changing my diet?

It would definitely make a difference.  First of all, your diet sounds 
healthy, so unless you are aware of overeating problems, then I don't
think you need to change it.

Secondly, a half hour of Stairmaster can burn 200-400 calories, depending
on your intensity level.  That would translate to a loss of 2-4 lbs a
month just from exercising.  At your weight, you really can't expect to
lose weight much faster than that (since you are close to your goal) without
cutting calories.

Finally, there are those of us who believe, a la Covert Bailey, that 
exercise makes body chemistry changes that help to reduce body fat in
other ways besides burning calories.  There is some question about how
this actually works, but it's clear that exercise is key in any plan
to maintain a lower weight.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:29:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov9.202248.27063@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>I suspect that if you did short distances twice (or even three times) a 
>day, you could increase your mileage without hurting yourself.  I do
>3 miles 2x or 3x a day...

This may sound like an excuse, but I find that I have to drive to get
to decent walking terrain and that limits me to one serious walk/day.
The main campus of Pitt offers excellent walking prospects but 
unfortunately I live and work in the suburbs.  I think a lot of people
have become trapped by urban and suburban designs that are oriented
around the automobile and which seem to offer few of the amenities of
an earlier age, such as municipal parks or sidewalks.  Perhaps that is
one more reason why obesity is becoming more prevalent in our society--
people are simply getting less exercise in the natural course of their
lives and have to go to extraordinary lengths--such as driving to a
shopping mall or joining a club--simply to take a walk.
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: bicker@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Brian Charles Kohn)
Subject: Re: Food du jour
Organization: /home/fsg/bicker/.organization
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:08:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct28.040248.14590@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton) writes:


   I had this fabulous chicken salad at the Maryland Renaissance Festival
   and said, "Hm... tastes caloric."  That meant it was good.  I liked it
   so much I tried to duplicate it when I got home.  This is a pretty 
   close approximation.  Mine is made with turkey, though, so it's actually
   a CURRIED TURKEY SALAD rather than a curried chicken salad, but as
   far as I'm concerned, they're interchangeable.

   Into a large bowl, put 2 cups leftover turkey meat in small pulled bits.
   Add 3 tablespoons (yes, tablespoons) of curry powder.  Then, 2 heaping
   tablespoons of nonfat sour-cream (Land-O-Lakes' is FABULOUS), and
   1 heaping teaspoon of extra-light mayonnaise (I prefer Weight Watcher
   brand).  Add 1/4 onion, chopped very fine.  Mix well with a spoon, until
   a uniform consistency is reached.  Make sandwiches.

   EXCHANGES:  2 meats, 25 optional calories

   Yum!

Sounds good, but might I suggest some modifications?  I also make 
Curried Turkey Salad often, but instead of sour cream I use non-fat yogurt.  
It's lower in calories (per spoonful) I believe.  Also, I put in a pinch or
three of white powder, and a couple of spoons of white raisins.

I believe this recipe is a derivative of one from an old WW cookbook, 
but that one indicated that you should put in some lime juice *yuk*.
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:32:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov13.161054.15676@unislc.uucp> pjd@unislc.uucp (Priscilla Davidson) writes:
>   nonfat as we can get it) is not healthy.  The body needs fat, especially
>   for vitamin A, which is not water soluble.  I was told that all sorts
>   of dire things would happen to me if I cut out fat completely:  my hair
>   would fall out, etc.  Anyone else in this group care to comment?

It is true that the body needs some essential fatty acids that cannot
be synthesized by the body.  However, since these EFAs are found in
many vegetable and grains (where does corn oil come from?), it is very 
difficult to eat a diet that is so low in fat that you don't get the fat you 
need.  Assuming, of course, that you eat a balanced diet.

However, I would not make a blanket statement that all people should go
non-fat.  I have found it much easier to "eat healthy" by including some
real fat in my meals (for example, I have mayo on my turkey sub at lunch).
Fat has a mouth feel to it that helps to satiate appetite.  Going totally
non-fat may make it harder for dieters to avoid cheating, since diet meals 
w/o fat may not be very filling or satisfying. 

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:36:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>It is my #1 priority.  It's that simple.

>I manage to get 2-3 hours a day of exercise in, plus work full-time, plus
>go to graduate school part-time, plus have a reasonable social life.  I
>don't say this to sound pompous or superior, I say this because maybe 
>I can nudge people past the "excuses" stage.  You know, if I can do it...

Can you do me a favor  and tell me your typical daily schedule?  I can't
seem to find time to exercise.  How many credits are you taking?  How many
hours a day do you work? 

I see that you fit one hour in during lunch.  I can't do that, because I'm
expected to shmooze on my lunch breaks at least twice a week.  I also
work longer days than a lot of people.  Sometimes I don't leave work
until 5:30 or 6.  Then I have dinner with my husband, and then I study.

At best, I could fit in a half hour of the stairmaster before dinner,
that is, if it isn't my turn to cook.

I also have class on Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.  Then
I have to clean the house, do my errands, do my laundry, visit my
parents, etc.

These aren't exuses.  This is my life.  School and work are my priority.
I wish I could move exercise up there, but its difficult.  


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: howard@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sci - University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:36:03 GMT


I'm not flaming mind you - but please when posting look up the 
correct way to spell - lose - not loose
                       led  - not lead

Sorry, but I really have a hard time when I keep reading in here all
the time and people are loosing weight - or loose weight 

bonnie
I am sure I will get flamed for this :{{

.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu (Laura Cuzzillo)
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Reply-To: cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:21:59 GMT

In article <WVENABLE.92Nov5130207@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>>>>>> "Laura" == Laura Cuzzillo <cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>
>Laura> Try swimming.
>
>Ummm...  Swimming would be fine if I had my own swimming pool with a *very*
>high fence.  Pity, since I can swim quite well and I agree swimming would be
>an excellent all round exercise.
>
>Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
>the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
>the bullet and go anyway?

Bill, I understand what you are saying.

I was answering someone who asked what exercise she could do with a foot 
injury.  I could really relate because I began swimming at a time when 
it was the only thing I could do.  My legs had been busted up very badly 
in a car crash, and I couldn't do any sort of weight bearing exercise, 
couldn't even ride a bike.  To get into the pool, I not only had to bite 
the fat bullet, but also the scarred and disfigured bullets as well.  
It was really hard, but I did it anyway because I needed to - for myself.  

Alot depends on the pool(s) that are available to you.  I swam in a 
university pool where the crowd was pretty diverse in terms of size, age,
etc.  There was even one woman who used to leave her artificial leg by
the poolside bench.  That sure helped me stop worrying about a few scars.

If you are a good swimmer, prove yourself in the pool.  One summer day, I
went to the pool.  The gym was really empty, I guess everyone was outside
running or something.  Anyway there were 2 women there for the first time.
Very young, very thin, with cute little suits.  They looked me over, barely
able to contain their giggles, perhaps thinking "will there be room for
us in the pool with this whale?"  We all made our way up to the pool, got
in, and started swimming.  I was on my second lap when I noticed that these
two had not even made one length of the pool!  Out of breath, they were 
hanging on to the edge of the pool and inching their way back to the shallow 
end where they stood and watched me.  I was starting my tenth lap when they 
just couldn't stand it any more and one of them called out "Hey how long 
do you go for?"  I switched to backstroke for just long enough to call out 
"I'm half done. Can't stop now," and returned to my front crawl for the 
rest of my workout.  When I finally finished, they were all over me with
questions about how long I had been swimming, how often I do it, how to
build up stamina, how to breathe, etc, etc.  In answering their questions,
I managed to interject a little lecture-ette on "just cause a person's fat
doesn't mean s/he's weak".  They really learned a lesson that day.  And so
did I - if I had any shame about how I looked, I learned to forget it, it's
what you DO that counts.  And I can sure swim up a storm.

Laura
cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu