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From: shankar@are.Berkeley.EDU (Shankar Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Fighter-Jet Production
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:49:22 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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bkannan@HA24.ENG.UA.EDU (Balaji Kannan) writes:



>    With a change in the global military scenario, India is realising
>  that it is better to give this line of thinking a hard look. There is
>  too much pressure on the Soviets now to stop armamemt sales to third
>  world countries( that they are not relenting is a different matter).
>  We have seen how overdependence on other nations for military equipment
>  can throw the regional military balance into disequilibrium. Fortunately,
>  our neighbors are having similar problems that our military is facing.
>  It is in the light of this, that India should start producing weapons
>  at least to serve its own military, if not to become an exporter. For
>  a resource-starved nation as ours this option might seem bitter to
>  digest, what with other pressing developmental projects begging for
>  money but the reality is that the sooner we become self-reliant in the
>  military sector, the better it is for the nation's security.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

National security is better served by measures to improve relations with
our neighbours.  We simply cannot afford to foster a military-industrial
complex as occurred in the USA and the USSR.  In the US, a mature capitalist
economy, high military expenditures and the MIC were made possible partly
because high government expenditures were required to maintain full employment.
But even in the US, high military expenditures have taken their toll.  The
civilian spin-offs of military technology are not enough to justify military
R&D expenditures (the US microelectronics industry is in some ways an
exception) and one reason why Japan and Germany have done so much better, it
has been argued, is that they didn't engage in `surplus burning' as did the
US and were able to invest in civilian-oriented R&D.

 The collapse of the Soviet Union is an object lesson in what happens when
a backward economy is forced to build up a large military sector.  Whatever
possibility there is now of successful policy reform in India would be
negated should India decide to invest heavily in military production. 

  Of course, just like people in other third world countries, many in India
seem to think that the hallmark of modernity is being able to produce weapons
of mass destruction or cellular telephones or computers, not improved and
affordable sewage systems, mass transit systems or reductions in infant
mortality. 

Shankar Subramanian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Politics of Infiltration: Rebuttal
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:06:53 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

|However, these immigrants do cherish the thoughts of the union of Bangladesh
|(East) and West Bengals. This is from personal experience as I mentioned in my
|original post. Even a thought of that makes me frightened!!
|I never faced the partition myself, but have definitely seen its effect on the
|economy of the state.
|BTW, even if the majority of the immigrants were Hindus - I would have never
|supported that.
|
|Ok, this is theoritically quite acceptable. However, it makes no sense that
|Bangladesh will never try to control its monumental growth rate of population, or
|try to create new job opportunities, but just pass on its surplus labour to India
|which is in no way a rich country and there are enough unemployments already. 
|
|Apra.
 

         STOP THE CPIM BASTARDS before it's too late.

         If the votes obtained by BJP is any indication then things are
         definitely changing.  During my last visit to Calcutta at the time
         of the general election I saw changing mood and frustration with
         CPIM among the young people and this is at the so called Red Fort
         of Jadavpur.  BJP got nearly 90,000 votes there.  This is with the
         minimum amount of campaign and with some obscure candidate.  Personally
         I never thought of supporting Congress after their performance last
         time around in West Bengal.  But now I'm ready to support Congress if it 
         means removing the Communists.  Atleast Congress is the lesser evil.

         With the communists you never realize what is going to hit you until
         it's too late when you find knife wound on your back and the communist is
         still keeping a smiling face in front of you because anything else is less
         than civilized!  With congress atleast 'what you get what you see'.

         I DONT WANT ANOTHER PARTITION OF WEST BENGAL.
         
         I DONT WANT MY CHILDREN TO FEEL THE TRAUMA AND
		 PAIN UNDERGONE BY MY PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS.			

            Jit

|Apratim Sarkar 	    	      	   	     	       fone  (401)-863-7667 (off)    

|     	       	  "Swadharme Nidhano Shreya, Parodharma Bhayabaha" 

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.nepal,soc.culture.pakistan
From: podurys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Podury Satyanarayan)
Subject: The World and Sanskrit
Originator: podurys@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:16:37 GMT


Continuing on some more words that could perhaps, even
remotely, be construed as derived from Sanskrit roots.

(All these I gathered from listening to some lectures given 
by an IIT professor/Indian philosopher. I do not claim to have
much of a knowledge on these matters, but I do find them rather
interesting.  The netters can form their own opinions.
Also, I may have got my facts wrong regarding the following stories
from other religions.  I hope knowledgeable people would correct it.
My apologies for any unintentional errors.)


Jupiter:  "dhyau pita", meaning 'father in heaven'

Isaac(son of Abraham?):  'ishakaaha', meaning 'like god' (?)
                          Note: In India, many times 'sh' and 's'
            are used interchangeably (ex. "shiva" and 'siva').
            Hence, 'ishakaaha' could well be 'isaaka'.

Ismael(same person as Isaac, but followed by Muslims??):  'isha mala',
            meaning 'the garland of god'.  Now, I believe there is this
            anecdote where Abraham was asked to give his son Isaac as
            a sacrifice to god by chopping his neck off.  When he was
            about to do this, the sword became a garland and fell on
            Isaac's neck.  Hence the garland of god. And hence 'isha mala'
            or 'ismael'.

Baptism:   'avapta' (or is it 'abapta'?), meaning one who has reached
            the goal of god (like in attaining 'samadhi').
            There is an interesting story regarding this.  A person who
            attains samadhi, according to Indian Philosophy(IP), should be
            entombed (buried?) and not cremated like ordinary people.
            Not everybody attains samadhi.  However, in Christianity,
            everybody is 'baptized', which then, according to Indian
            philosophy, means that that person has attained samadhi!
            And hence, that person should only be buried and not cremated.
            The tradition of baptizing, I guess, started with the baptizing
            of Christ by Johann(??).  But since, according to IP, Christ
            is considered as an avatar of Shiva (???), baptizing him
            would be the proper thing to do.

    (I repeat that my knowledge on these matters is meagre, and hence
     above could all be gibberish.  However, I found them interesting
     when informed, and I leave it to the netters to draw their own
     conclusions.  I have no intention of commenting on other religions,
     positively or negatively. So no religious flames, please.)

There are many words in other languages, which when analyzed as a word
from Sanskrit, gives a clearer meaning to people such as me who may
not know these languages.


satya podury
-- 
Might is Right!
Statutory disclaimer:  All opinions expressed herein are solely mine.
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Telnet to TIFR
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:39:02 GMT
Reply-To: sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

tss20391@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajesh Suryanarayanan) writes on soc.culture.indian:

)srinivas@csa3.lbl.gov (SRINIVAS KRISHNAGOPAL) writes:
)
)> Does anyone know if its possible to TELNET to computers at TIFR? It works for
)>NCST (shakti.ernet.in) but the address "tifrvax.ernet.in" is unrecognised, at
)>least by the local server. If someone had suceeded in logging on to TIFRVAX,
)>could you please email me the IP number.

[...]

)copy of entries in a "real name-server" like sri-nic.arpa (I think !)
)and I know for a fact that sri-nic knows only about shakti and sangam. If

SRI no longer maintains the Internet NIC. It is now GSI's and
nic.ddn.mil is the official host. It is easy enough to register hosts
with nic.ddn.mil and if anything prevents indian machines from getting
registered it is the slow link (correct me if I am wrong) between
UUNET and NCST. If anyone is going to use it for telnet or talk it is
the communication link that is overloaded. It is due to the slow link
that mail to *.ernet.in is buffered at relay?.uu.net. And if folks
don't realize the implication of overloading the link, the users on
both sides of the link are going to be the losers. 

)Rajesh Subrahmanyan

Sridhar.
From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (Jay Bhartkumar Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More GUJJU jokes
Summary: What the hell this crap?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:31:08 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Apr7.142754.13270@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> 
> Q.	What did the Gujju say of Gavaskar?
> A.	He is a master-bater!
> 
> (this is not a gujju joke)
> 
> Q.	What's better than roses on your piano?
> A.	Tulips on your organ!

  Hey asshole, Do you know what the hell GUJJU stands for. It stands for the 
  people from Gujarat. 

  You call them jokes. They don't even make sense. Where the fuck do you get 
  them?



COBRA

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From: shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: LTTE
Date: 9 Apr 1992 11:53:33 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: estoril.cs.utexas.edu

In article <s0iseINNmvt@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
>In article <YdsqaXa00awB4_DFFt@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>>If my postings are so offensive,  just think how thousands

[stuff deleted]

>	Maybe if LTTE had gotten their act togeather then things would be fine.
[stuff deleted]

LTTE  - Let's Talk Through Explosives. :-(  :-)

-Shubu
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From: bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: looking for deepak varrikkoo
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:21:06 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

hi friends,
i am looking for Deepak varikkoo. He has been with me in hostel(indore,M.P.)
during my M.C.A. (Master of comp. appl.) days. He went to Maryland in Dec'90.
He did his M.phil.(life sc./micro. bio) from indore.Tall fair fellow 
from Kashmeer uses word  'GREAAAT' often while speaking.He might be in maryland
university (according to last information).

please send information on my email add.

Thanks million.

- Bharat
email- bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
From: dkulkarn@vivaldi.helios.nd.edu (Dinesh Kulkarni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Men, Arranged Marriages : A NEGLECTED POINT
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:43:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr12.224328.28713
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 A point that is OFTEN forgotten -

Given the choice, most guys would like to choose their partners outside
of the institution of arranged marriage. However, the extremely skewed
sex ratio (40:1 should not be an exaggeration) among "Indian born and 
brought-up Indians" in US precludes the possibility of the "preferred" way
of finding your partner. I guess you won't find it hard to understand 
that people (guys and girls) have strong preferences in terms of language,
dietary preferences (e.g. vegetarian) and other such "not-so-trivial"
matters. These preferences further limit the possibilities. Back in India,
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arranged marriage is still the norm and that hardly helps. So it is
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not so much family pressure or traditional outlook that makes guys opt
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for arranged marriages as it is the lack of other options. It is certainly
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possible to be a maverick but few people would want to jump through a
thousand hoops or be willing to make unnecessary compromises to get
 what they want. So until our society at large (at
least the urban part) doesn't make a transition, it is unreasonable to
expect arranged marriages to go away, even in case of Indians who come
to US.

About the ranting on the net - most people seem to go on a bashing spree
just for the heck of it. None of them has a solution that is likely to
work and very few care about a solution anyway.
From: R.S.Chandran@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SATYAJIT ROY...GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:24:05 GMT
Reply-To: R.S.Chandran@lut.ac.uk (Acid Rain)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <1992Apr6.211658.27437@irvine.dg.com> swagata@IRVINE.DG.COM (swagata majumdar) writes:
>Rohini Hattangadi did receive the OSCAR for costume design in
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Gandhi. (not for best actress). If you remember, Gandhi got
>a total of 7(?) OSCARS.

She did not. It was BHANU ATTAYYA(sp?) who got the oscar for it.
From: slzzh@europa.ee.usu.edu (Pallavi Rajn Khatsuria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:  Why do most Indians .....
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:24:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr6.222450.54259
Organization: Utah State University



>>       to understand our accent. Well, that's their problem. If they don't
>>       understand, who are the losers? But I sincerely feel that

>There are many situations is which THEY would be the losers.

I think both are the losers. They also should try to learn to understand
our accent and if they don't, they are the losers too, becuase they are
not using the opportunity to learn ...


> You seem to be making an assumption that Indians here are at the receiving
>end of knowledge/benefits/whatever.

No, This country won't give the admission to Indians unless they are getting
the benefit out of it. I think both are at the receiving end and there
should be mutual co-opration from both sides.

>What IS an American accent?  My accent is far from that of someone
>from New York, Atlanta, LA, or even Boston for that matter.  there is
>NO such thing as an 'American' accent.

The way English is spoken in America is different from the way it
is spoken in England or Australia. Even in parts of England, the accents 
are different, but we are discussuing about the general way of talking.

slzzh@europa.ee.usu.edu
From: sagar@davinci.concordia.ca (Sagar Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Religious Joke (Followers of Jesus WARNED.)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:26:52 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Originator: sagar@davinci


Q. Why was Jesus CROSSED?

A. Because many people say "He is the WAY!"



Sagar



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From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Subject: another thought ...
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:43:25 GMT

	Walking on the lakeside, when I see rocks and pebbles,
	I think ...
	Little rocks need lots of TLC (tenderness, love and care)
	'cause they have had such a hard life.

-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Lets start a controversial topic
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:24:08 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: National language of india
Summary: soc.culture.indian
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Mr Controversial writes-


:Hi Everybody,
:
:	I am a new reader.  I have got bored by reading so many articles on
:	arranged and love marraige. Let's start some new topic.
:	My suggestion would be
:
:	"How it would be if we accept hindi as the national language of India"


"How would it be Mr Controversial, if we not only accept hindi as our national
language but also circumcise all Indian males and force them to go to church 
every sunday"

"Have you come here to play Jesus 
 to the lepers in your head"
                           U2

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kaushik@mozart.amd.com (Kaushik Chhotani)
Subject: Address of Gateway Design and automation based in Noida (near New Delhi)
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:31:12 GMT

Hi netters,
	If anyone knows the address for Gateway Design and Automation based in Noida (U.P.)
near New Delhi, could you please email it to me? 
	Thanks a lot for your help.
	Kaushik Chhotani
	kaushik@mozart.amd.com
From: pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ASIA BUSINESS JOURNAL
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:28:10 GMT
Reply-To: pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Boston University

In article <01GIOJRTCBKWN13QPN@vms.cis.pitt.edu> MISRA@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:
>
>
>                         ASIA BUSINESS JOURNAL
>          A Bi-Weekly report on Business, investments and economic trends.
>____________________________________________________________________________
>	Asia Business Journal, a Bi-Weekly financial news paper, which is 
>scheduled to hit the news stands throughout the world in April 1992, is
> 
>			 [ Stuff deleted ]
>
>FOR ADVERTISEMENT AND SUBSCRIPTION PLEASE CALL
>
>              (617) 232-9454
>OR FAX YOUR ENQUIRIES TO
>              (617)232-8962
>

	The owener/publishers of Asia Business Journal are involving
in immoral and perhaps illegal action by abusing the usenet for
personal gain without having to pay for the previlages they have so
unworthly usurped. This is highly irregular and unacceptable atleast
to me and I hope to a large number of like thinking people. 

Pankaj Tyagi



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From: vikas@wucs1.wustl.edu (Vikas Awasthi)
Subject: Test
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:12:34 GMT

The subject told you everything didnt it?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: psingh@IASTATE.EDU (Piyush Singh)
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES THIS HINDI/URDU WORD MEAN.....
Reply-To: psingh@IASTATE.EDU (Piyush Singh)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:44:11 GMT

In article <167C712E93.A0K5719@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, A0K5719@tamvm1.tamu.edu
writes:
> Hi netters, I have come across this word *HAALA* in Haribans Rai Bachchan's
> "Madhushala". This could be a hindi/urdu word but looks more like a hindi
> word to me. This word has been used in several sentences in the poem and at
> each place it seems to have a different meaning/context. For example:
>  
> chhot se jeevan me kitna pyaar karoon, pee loon HAALA
>  
> yam (as in yamraj) aaega saqi bankar, saath liye kaali HAALA
>  
> mere adharon par ho antim, vastu na ganga jal HAALA
>  
> Does anybody know the meaning??
>  
> anil

My guess would be HAALA means "daaru" :)) 

BTW if anybody has a electronic copy of Bachchan's "Madhushaalaa"
I would love to share a copy!!!
Thanks.........PS
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: An ode to Udit Sharma
Date: 6 Apr 1992 13:19:34 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

           An ode to Udit Sharma
         -------------------------
   Ah, look at all the s.c.i. people !
   Ah, look at all the s.c.i. people !

   Udit Sharma picks up a topic in a garbage can
   Where a big loading has been
   Lives in a flame
   Writes at the terminal, posting a file
   That he keeps in a directory called junk
   Who is it for ?

   All the s.c.i. people, where do they all come from ?
   All the s.c.i. people, where do they all belong ?

   Yogi Vashistha writing the words of a poem
   That noone will read
   Nobody cares
   Look at him working, rubbing his eyes in the night
   Where there's no good light, what does he care ?

   All the s.c.i. people, where do they all come from ?
   All the s.c.i. people, where do they all belong ?

   Ah, look at all the s.c.i. people !
   Ah, look at all the s.c.i. people !

   Udit Sharma is flamed in the net and he defends
   Alongwith his name
   Only to be flamed
   Yogi Vashistha wiping the tears in his eyes
   As he posts his poem
   Nobody cares

   All the s.c.i. people, where do they all come from ?
   All the s.c.i. people, where do they all belong ?

                                                       ---- Vaisnavi.
                                                    [ sp2@cec1.wustl.edu ]
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From: rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Haala=Wine was Re: WHAT DOES THIS HINDI/URDU WORD MEANS
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:00:37 EST

HAALA means Wine or Liquor as used by Haribansh Rai Bachchan. He makes it clear
in the first page itself where he writes:
Bhavukta angoor lata se,
Khinch kalpana ki haala,
Kavi saki bankar aaya hai,
bharkar kavita ka pyala,

Kabhi na kan bhar khali hoga,
lakh piye do lakh piye,
pathak gan hai peene wale,
pustak mere madhushala.

There are several such instances where he reiterates his point. Perhaps,
the confusion is because of the mood in which some of the stanzas are written.
Hope this settles it.
Regards,
Ravi.-- 

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