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From: leewu@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Lee Wu)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: work exchange/babysitter
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:02:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s1tbkINN1l8
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

Hope this is the right group to post.

A Chinese couple are looking for an honest and responsible Chinese 
female as a babysitter to help take care of a two-year old boy and  
a one-year old girl.  Hours from 7:00am to 4:00pm Monday through
Friday.  Compensations are furnished room and board. 
Possible for allowance. Walk to El Cerrito Plaza BART station. 
This position is ideal for a University of California, Berkeley
female student who wants to attend evening classes.
Must love children.  
If interested, please call Mrs. Wu @ (510) 643-6928 leave a voice mail 
or reply to email at leewu@diva.  Mandarin or Cantonese speaking prefered.
Thanks for your attention.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
Subject: Re: Entry Level Prospect
Organization: Auto-trol
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:24:55 GMT

In article <2021@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>
>Since I hear all of the harping about the lack of entry level
>positions and how they are willing to work at very low wages
>just to get the experience I thought I would mention a
>company which I knows which used to hire entry level when I
>started professionallly.
>
>The Company is E-Systems and they are located in Florida,
>Dallas, Texas and Falls Church, VA.  They even paid for my
>interview and moving expenses and lent me money for a security
>deposit.  Note this was back in 1985.
>
>The number in Falls Church is 1-703-560-5000.
>
>NOTE: do not use my name as a reference or as a source of information;
>I left when I found out they were greatly underpaying me
>and they weren't very happy about it!
>

Thanks for the info Glenn.  A few notes:

Florida Branch:

ECI/CMD Division
E-Systems
PO Box 12248
St. Petersburg, FL  33733-2248
Contact:  Randolph L. Klopp, Manager, Staffing and Development

Texas Branch:

E-Systems Inc.
PO Box 660023
Dallas, TX 75266-0023
Contact:  Ann Olsen
Needs:    UNIX C Ada Pascal PL/1 X-Windows SUN MicroVax

Note:  I have never worked for E-systems and know nothing about them.  The above
       are just collected information about them.

Matt
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Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:3512 tor.general:546
From: neil@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Neil A. Law)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,tor.general
Subject: National Executives - Headhunter appraisal
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:42:36 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.

I'd appreciate if anyone can give me any feedback on the headhunter company
National Executives. They are are based in Toronto.

Thanks in advance.

--
Neil Law, Architecture, Document Management Systems
E&M Waterloo,               INTERNET: Neil.A.Law@Waterloo.NCR.COM
NCR Canada Ltd.,                UUCP: {uunet!ncrcom,watmath}!ncrwat!53iss6!neil
Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA       BELL: 519-884-1710 x645   NCR: 643-1645
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
Subject: Re: What Happens When Your Company Closes?
Organization: Auto-trol
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:55:44 GMT

In article <1416@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
>There is a possibility that my primary employeer will soon
>close (not NeWave--that's just where I post from).  Lets say
>that this company has no assets (everything is on lease,
>even things like laserprinter toner cartridges).  Lets 
>further assume that they close because they cannot cover
>the paychecks (ie, no cash in the bank) and they cannot cover
>ongoing operating expenses.
>
>If they do close, I assume that I will be left holding a
>paycheck that I cannot cash, plus I will be owed for 6 weeks
>of built-up vacation and travel expenses for the past two months
>(currently about $3500).
>
>Where does this leave the employees sitting?  Since the company
>has nothing to liquidate (everything is on lease), there is
>nothing for a bankruptcy court to sell off to generate any
>cash.  Will the state or federal government step in and cover
>the paychecks?  Are the owners personally responsible for
>paying wages if the company cannot?  Will they also cover 
>things like past travel expenses and earned vacation?
>
>Has anyone been through anything like this in the past?  If
>so, please let me learn from your experiences...
>
Yes, I was in this position.  Not once, but twice.  Wouldn't you think I could
learn from my mistakes :)...

The company I worked for went belly-up, no money in the bank no paychecks at all
(much less one I couldn't cash).  I was owed several weeks (I forget how many,
it has been awhile.) of vacation, sick leave, comp time, you name it.

What did I do?  Well, I started my own consulting company, actually.  I figured
if I wasn't going to get paid, at least I would do it on my own..  What can you
do about it?  Not much.  The government will *not* step in to pay your paycheck,
vacation expense, etc.  Although the IRS will let you claim that travel expense
on your next year's tax form as a deduction.  

What do you do?  The first thing is to file for unemployment.  Since you were
not fired, you should have no problem collecting.  The second thing is, of
course, to look for a job.  Wish I had better news.

Matt
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Auto-trol Technology 12500 N Washington Denver, CO 80241-2404 (303)252-2874
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: keenan@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Keenan Teylouni)
Subject: Re: >>>> 3 degrees, 1 univ....
Organization: Telecom Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:02:04 GMT

ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons) writes:
>>
>>        1. I will have already received my B.S. and M.S. degrees from
>>        UNL. I would like to continue my education here b/c the facility
>>        in which I work has a great deal of opportunity in my field.  I
>>        could think of a couple of other institutions which I might like
>>        to attend, but I would prefer not to relocate for the
>>        incremental benefit they may provide.  I have heard that it is
>>        considered "bad form" to complete all three degrees at a single
>>        University, is thsi true?
>>
>>        2. I have not had any experience in "the real world" outside of
>>        my research assistanceship. I worry that this may be important
>>        before I undertake a PhD program of study.
>>
>>        FYI: My career goal is to obtain a research position, so I feel
>>        that a PhD will be important sometime, I'm just not sure if now
>>        is the best time.

Steve

My wife's just finished her PhD from Toronto and is now working at a uni in
Perth.  Her degrees are from 2 uni's.  

I'm not an academic, but I note that the academic community is
very close nit and that exposure to several uni's can only help in the job
search as it opens up networks of people that often lead directly or 
indirectly to academic work (freelance, contract or tenured).  

Put into context, there are lot's of people competing with you for work.
If the hiring team knows someone in your network, they can't help
associating you (an unknown commodity) with the person they know (or at least
who's work they've read).  That sounds unfair but it's human nature.  
Even if they don't fall into this trap (unusual) they can at least get
a reference for you from someone they know which is far more meaningful 
than heaps of praise from an anonymous source.

From a real world perspective I assume you mean non-academe.  I work in a large
corporation in applications R&D and have hired academics to do contract work.
I personally feel that to undertake research you've basically got to be both
curious and restless.  Basically, I'd be a bit reserved about somebody who was
too eager to stay in one place, however comfortable.  Realistically, changing
your job or your school keeps you hopping, and on the steep side of the 
learning curve, if only because you've got new people asking new questions.
Obviously, in any dynamic field where new work is occuring, this is important.

Hope my 2 cents worth helps.


 
Regards

Keenan

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From: lj359831@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Lee Jarvie)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: My apologies.
Summary: Sorry about the cross post.
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:38:32 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


I feel the need to apologize for recently cross posting 2
articles to misc.jobs.offered that did not belong there.
Though I did not consciously set up to cross post (they
were originally sent to misc.jobs.misc only) apparently
this version of news did it automatically.  At any rate,
the situation has been corrected.  I am truly sorry since
I don't like mis-directed articles myself.

Lee Jarvie
lj359831@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: foo@datura.cs.rice.edu (Mark Hall)
Subject: Re: Flames in misc.jobs.offered
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.184533.14346@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
)I've often wondered what sort of mail a person gets who posts a resume
)to misc.jobs.offered.  It must be potent stuff, because a contrite
)apology usually follows the resume rather quickly.

   Yes, unfortunately. One mis-posted article is usually not enough.


)What sort of things to people say to these errant posters?  

   I often send mail to "resume-in-.offered" posters. I tell them they are 
in the wronmg group, and tell them to look up the "cancel" command for their
newsreader, since posting an apology *on purpose* is probably worse than 
posting a resume *accidentally*. If I am in a bad mood, I tell them they just 
showed tens of thousands of prospective bosses that they can't follow
simple instructions.

   Reactions differ, depending on the poster and, presumably, how many 
flaming letters they have already gotten. The range is "ok, I'll cancel.
Thanks for telling me. I clicked on the wrong group." to "<unprintable>"
to "I know I posted in every misc.* group. I think that will get me more
exposure than posting in the correct one."  

  - mark
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: CFD : creation of new newsgroup : misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:58:58 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <180913@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>    Actually I would be for ANYTHING that would take all their
>    whining, crybaby, "world owes me a living" type postings
>    and place them where at least you would have a warning that you
>    are about to enter a board where the posters CAN'T READ, can't
>    follow directions, CAN'T EVEN GUESS HOW TO POST FROM THE NAME
>    OF THE !@#$!@#$ BOARD, and are so obviously socially inept that
>    it is a miracle most of them EVER get gainful employment.

Hmm.  Interesting.  If social ineptitude is a major factor, I'd guess
there will soon be an opening at Pyramid Technology.  Of course, we
will all be informed that "This is not an entry level potition, no
recent grads need apply".
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: cho@duke.cs.duke.edu (Teddy Cho)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Entry Level Blues
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:04:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1247@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> cebula@gl.pitt.edu (James J Cebula) writes:
>Good luck to all you spring grads looking for enrty level positions.  I
>graduated last December with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering (3.4 cum. QPA
>3.6 major QPA), and 16 months of experience in Quality Assurance/Manufacturing
>(I had a co-op position with the Defense Department).  I've had resumes out
>all over the country for about 14 months now, I've used several "headhunters",
>the university's placement service, and I've been on at least 50 interviews, 
>including a number of second interviews and 3 plant visits.  For all of this effort, I have not had a single offer of employment.  Relocation is not a problem.
>
>So entry level job seekers, two things.  Don't expect to find a job, because
>they are simply not there.  DO expect to become frustrated.  
>
>Just my two cents, for what its worth,
>- Jim -  
>--

I sense alot of bitterness here but you do a good job of keeping it
out of you post.  There are jobs out there but you have to look harder
than in previous years.  Being a graduating senior, I and my friends
have looked very hard (sometimes not so hard) for jobs.  Some of my
friends who attend prestigious schools with high GPAs do not have
jobs whereas some of my friends with medium GPAs from less presitgious
schools have been extended job offers.

What does this mean?  Nothing.  It means that every situation is
unique and that you should not become discouraged because of other
people's experiences or your past efforts in trying to find a job.
Keep your spirits up and just do your best.  How can anyone be
dissappointed with you if you have tried as hard as possible?  No
one can ask more of you and you should feel positive about your
efforts.  Also, don't blame the economy.  If you cannot find
a job, just try harder.  Placing blame on someone or something else
will get you nowhere.

In addition, I wish people would get a clue and stop posting their
preferences for an entry-level group.  It irritates people (including
me) and does nothing for creating one.  (btw, I vote no - many
people don't seem to realize that some jobs can be filled by
both entry-level(w/experience) and experienced personnel)

If you would like to know how my job search is going, then I would
like to say that I have had less than half the interviews as Jim
but twice the number of site visits.  However, I have yet to receive
an offer and am waiting from several more companies.  In case those
don't work out, I am currently making contingency plans to apply 
to more jobs and take couses at a graduate school.

Cheers,
-- 
Teddy Cho
Class of 1992
Computer Science & History Major
cho@cs.duke.edu
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Salary Verification?
Keywords: salary verification
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr16.191834.12713@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> randy@rss.dl.nec.com (Randy) writes:
>A potential employer that an individual has interviewed with would
>like to make an offer to the candidate.  Before they make an offer
>they tell the candidate that he must provide salary verification of
>his past two jobs to support the salary figures he quoted in the
>interview process.  The verification must be in the form of a pay
>check stub from both jobs.
>
    I cannot imagine why they might want TWO jobs, but I have had
    requests to prove salary on a couple occasions.  In both of
    these I was working thru an excellent recruiter...

    In both instances, my impression was that the company was quite
    interested (musta been, got both jobs) and frankly was trying do
    a sanity check on their salary structure.  

    In NEITHER case did the recruiter pass on the detailed
    information to the company....but the recruiters did look at all
    the various perks, etc. contributing to salary.  


>Does the potential employer have any real right to this information?
   
   I guess it depends on why they want it.  If it is just to be
   nosey, I would say it is really none of their business....or even
   just to verify your old salary.

   If it is that the company has had difficulty attracting talent at
   their offerings in your qualification range, then you might be
   helping the NEXT applicant as they adjust their salary structure.

>he has made in the past.  If the guy was severely underpaid in past
>jobs, is it fair that that be reflected in a new offer? 
    
       good point,,,,,but then we are ALL underpaid compared to our
       true worth aren't we?   

   Of course it might depend on how hungry you are at the moment...
From: gossain@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Sanjiv Gossain)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: >>>> 3 degrees, 1 univ....
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:54:52 GMT
Organization: Nokia Group




>	   There is an old belief that it is bad to get all three degrees at the 
>	   same university.  The reasoning is that you are not exposed to as
>	   many different philosophies as possible.  

I can partly go some way to agreeing with this reasoning..

>	   I got both my undergrad and grad degrees at the same univerity
>	   (BS and MS) and I found this belief to be fair. However, it is 
>	   not an absolute truth. 

>	   That is, I could see that people who came with different undergrad
>	   degrees came with a different set of tools to solve problems. They
>	   were taught well in some areas that my faculty may not have had any 
>	   strong expertise.   Therefore, these students were exposed to two
>	   (or more) and I was only exposed to one. 

>	   On the other hand, you need not jump ship... The following are good
>	   questions to ask...

>	   1. Do you have a good working relationship with your advisor?  Is 
>	   he/she knowledgeable?  Do they help push you towards graduation or 
>	   are they an obstacle?  If you go someplace else, you may find that your
>	   new advisor is Simon Le Gre. 

>	   2. Is your research current and interesting to you?  Are you getting
>	   published?   It is probably more important to have publications than
>	   it is to have different Universities on your resume.  If you go to 
>	   a new university, you ARE the bottom man on the totem pole.  When 
>	   that old rule was adopted, the learning curve built into the newer
>	   areas of technical research was not existant.  

Good question indeed. I got my bachelor's, master's and doctorate all at 
the same university, here in the UK, and found that the above questions
were very useful. It is definitely very improtant to have a VERY GOOD relationship
with your advisor and that he/she should be a helping, guiding hand in your PhD
research. 

Publications...well yes. I have had no problem with employers regarding my attending
the same university for 7 consecutive years [BSc to PhD]. The reasoning was
that the MSc. at my university in my course was one of the best in its area and that
I got on well with my supervisor so I decided on and did my research under
his supervision. Seems straightforward enough to me. 

Also helps that if you stay at the same university, then you do know the INS and OUTS
of that place and you have already established good working relationships
with the lecturers there. This helped me considerably.


>	   Don't forget that rule is common among all PhD students.  

Too right!

sanjiv gossain				gossain@uk.tele.nokia.fi
nokia telecommunciations
cambridge, england


	
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: consp07@bingsunp.cc.binghamton.edu (David Kane)
Subject: INFO: Washington Navy Yard & D.C.
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:37:27 GMT

Folks,
	I am currently considering a position with the Navy Computer and
Telecommunications Station (NCTS) at the Washington Navy Yard in Washington D.C.
(* I would be doing computer programming in Ada *)  

	Does anyone have any information about NCTS?   I am also looking for
some information about the immediate vicinity of the Navy Yard.  For example,
should I plan on an hour and a half commute, etc...
	
	Thank you very much.
-- 
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=		           "I'm here."			        =
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From: msaleski@tegra.COM (Mark Saleski)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:36:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tegra, Inc., Billerica, MA
In-reply-to: bonney@esds.mdc.com's message of 9 Apr 92 17:54:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.175438.25931@esds.mdc.com> bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney) writes:

  >
  >   In article <1992Apr8.185848.20190@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
  >   >In article <1992Apr7.012849.6297@sed.stel.com> jon@sed.stel.com (Jon Radel) writes:
  >
  >   You may miss out on a really good job if you rule out every company that does
  >   drug testing.
  >
  >   I had to take a drug test, and it wasn't any big deal.  It's just a simple
  >   urine sample.  It's not like a strip search; it's very discrete.
  >
  >   If you're afraid you can't pass the test, I guess that's another matter, but
  >   otherwise I would suggest not limiting yourself just because of your high
  >   principles.
  >

    i would guess that most people who object to a drug screen are not afraid
    that they're going to fail the test...although false positives are truly
    something to be frightened of...

    'high principles' or not, i'm not interested in working for a company who trusts
    me so little as to require such a test...

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From: root@maspar.ch (Bruno Pape)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: recession-what recession????
Keywords: developers,developers
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: root@maspar.ch (Bruno Pape)
Organization: MasPar Distributor AG, Zurich, Switzerland

In article <1992Apr4.100727.5873@u.washington.edu> echen@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ed Chen) writes:
>
>So I do think summer jobs & coops do make a tremendous amount of difference...
>

If nothing else, job or work related experiances give you something different
to talk about during those rather routine post graduation - pre employment
interviews.  The more excitement, enthusiasm, and insight that you can convey
about what you did, the better off you will be.

Along the same lines of networking and expience, for those of you who still
have a year or two left before graduation, on-campus employment can provide
an excellent opportunity to make contacts and develop your skills.  I worked
almost for free for professors and administrative departments, but got access
to many more computer resources than I would have otherwise been exposed to,
and ended up learning much more than during my first year of "real" employment.

Good luck,

Bruno
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Book Search
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:24:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Does anyone know of any good books on salary negotiating? Perhaps
one that I could purchase at a mall book store or could order from
somewhere. Please e-mail me and if I get enough good titles I like
to post the list to the group.Thanks.
                                       Bruce Mccullough

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