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From: sdwyer@AGSM.UCLA.EDU (Steve Dwyer)
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:03:17 GMT

>
> Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
> but I think the Japanese are very racist. You need but look at the
> history of the "Greater East Asian Coprosperity Sphere" to find this
> out. In fact, you might want to read John Dower's book "War Without
> Mercy" to get an idea of what the Japanese in the 1930s meant about the

You say "the" (the implication sounds like "all") Japanese "are" (i.e.,
present tense) racist, and back up your testimony with evidence from the
1930s and citizenship requirements that are at least 10 years out of
date.

In fact, there are some prejudices the Japanese have.  However, Japan
never had a KKK.  The Japanese people would never treat Korean athletes
the way the Koreans treated the Japanese athletes in the opening
ceremonies of the Olympic Games four years ago.  Although the Japanese
do tend to over-generalize when it comes to ethniticity and national
identity, these days it is more from a respect for the differences and
sometimes a preference to uchi over soto, and it is not from any
malevolence you see in the racism in most countries.

Steve Dwyer
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From: jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|)
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Reply-To: jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.203525.12580@nevada.edu> KEIKO SHIMMYO writes:

> 2.  Do you know a summer drink popular in Japan, *calpis*.
> You can buy *calpico* in US.

  Yes, and I like it very much. It is sold as "Calpico" in Finland, too,
but only in special shops.

  I am afraid I do not know English (?) well enough to understand
the reason to change Calpis to Calpico.

                                                    Juha-Petri Tyrkko

                                                    jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi
From: rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: saraba=sayounara=jaa
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:09:43 GMT
Organization: TDO

In article <1992Jul20.235834.17127@athena.mit.edu> chiharu@athena.mit.edu (Chiharu Osawa) writes:
>Shochuu Omimai Moushi Agemasu
>
>As you'll see, the following Japanese mean the same thing, i.e. good-by.
>
>	shiku araba -> shikaraba (kore nite gomen tsukamatsuru)
>	sa araba -> saraba !
>	sayou naraba -> sayounara
>	sore deha -> sore jaa -> jaa (mata ne)
>
>However, they literally mean "as the situation is so..." or something like that.
>Don't you think it strange ? One pointed out that Japanese good-by is meaningless,
>while in English it means "God be with you."
> 
>As a native Japanese, I'm curious about why we say such a thing at parting.

My guess is that it means something like "Well, since we must part, I'll
go now", or, more literally, "since it is so (that we must part), (I'll go)
at this point", with the "since it is so" corresponding to "saraba" and
"at this point" to "kore nite".  The other forms seem to be shortened
versions of this.

The "sore dewa" and "ja" phrases are essentially the English "well", and
seem to me to be short for "well, I guess I'll be on my way now" or
something like that. 
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From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 08:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.155804.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rrwest01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Well, this is getting away from "japan", but I guess it counts as "sci.lang".
>I have heard that the Chevy Nova, marketed under that name, bombed in 
>Mexico, as "no va" is Spanish for "it doesn't go"

Correct!

There are many such marketing 'masterpieces', although at the moment I
don't recall any others... :-(
Sorry !

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no

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From: David_W_INOUYE@UMAIL.UMD.EDU (di5)
Subject: Re: Re: Software on Unix.
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:10:00 GMT

Rhubarb cobbler for dessert.  I'm roasting a chicken for dinner for my
cousin and his friend.  Just got back from WA Gulch.  Elk have eaten and
trompled a lot of the Erythronium plants there.  I had to run into town on
my motorcycle to get oil for the rented car, which was low, before we could
drive back.
OK, I'll look at your book questions.  I don't have a copy of her editorial
comments here though.  I'll try to go through some more of my chapters
before I see you to see whether I have questions too.
Flying John out sounds like a good idea to me.
Could you ask Chuck to check his e-mail?  I had a question about keeping the
rented van for another couple of weeks.  Thanks.
It's not so much the dirt road and the trailer as the extra distance I'd
have to drive to get to your place when I'lI be arriving so late.  Another
favor to ask of you - could you look in the phone book and see whether there
is a Honda motorcycle dealer in Boulder?  I have to go count flowers now that
the chicken is in the oven.                Love.
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From: jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|)
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Reply-To: jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:01:10 GMT

In article <BrIMx4.MMM@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
pjyamamo@watdragon.waterloo.edu writes:

> <...> Canadians do not react well to cars with names like
> RX-7, MX-3, etc.

> It also mentioned that while English or Foreign words are used
> to name cars in amusing ways (to us) in Japan, the names for the
> cars in foreign markets are decided by a computer based on
> keywords and concepts which (supposedly) describe the car (at least
> Honda was mentioned as doing so).

  I heard a rumor that when the Korean Hyundai Lantra was to be
introduced in Finland, its model name for Finnish sale had to be
changed to Elantra to avoid any associations with alcoholic bums
mixing their "cocktails" in public parks.

                                             Juha-Petri Tyrkko

                                             jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi

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From: smittie@BEACH.CSULB.EDU (Smittie)
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:53:27 GMT

Ethnicentrism cannot be a form of racism since ethnocentrism is based on
ethnicity and racism is based on race. Ethnicity and race are not synonymous.
Both are forms of prejudice.

smittie
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From: DTWIANOW@SUNRISE.SYR.EDU (Dan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Surreal Email
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Well, it made me laugh more than anything in a long time.  Not that it
was funny-- it was just unexpected.

BTW< how was the rhubarb custard? :)
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:18:07 GMT

In article <B3BcoB9w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Cam Cavers) writes:
>klatta@MERIT.EDU writes:
>
>> >Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
>> >but I think the Japanese are very racist.
>>
>> Well, the term racist has maybe a little more baggage than I'd like.
>> Maybe ethnocentric would be better. Most Asians have a cultural value
>
>That's a very good thing to mention...I've heard a lot of people say the
>Japanese are racist, and something always bugged me about that... the KKK are
>racist; I don't see how you can compare the Japanese people to that. On one
>hand, the KKK (and a lot of other white supremicists) will tend to blame others
>for their problems, as opposed to the Japanese, who will go out an DO SOMETHING
>about it...like build a billion good cars...:)

Or invade a continent or bomb a military installation.

It may be pointed out that the ordinary Japanese citizenry went about killing 
innocent people of Korean descent living in Japan after the kanto earthquake
(a rumor started that "they" were poisoning the ground water wells). 

Mike
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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Racism, Ethnocentrism, and Videotape
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:07:19 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <9207300041.AA14444@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>From my point of view, Japanese consider Americans of Japanese decent
>to be Japanese residing abroad.

I've yet to meet a Japanese American who feels this way.  (Unfortunately,
the U.S. Government did during WWII.)

Furthermore, none of the Japanese Americans I know who have visited or
worked in Japan report any special treatment (well, with the possible
exception of my wife's grandfather, who at 92 is one of the original
Issei--and who criticizes me for driving a Toyota).  They are gaijin,
and their Japanese ancestry is just a curiosity.

Perhaps in the abstract Nikkei are treated specially; after all, the
Japanese are being coaxed to think globally, and I suppose the idea of
Japanese abroad is more comfortable than a world entirely full of
foriegn elements...  Up-front and personal, though, foriegn-born persons
of Japanese ancestry can neither talk the talk nor walk the walk, for
the most part, so they are quickly put in the "gaijin" category.

>Doesn't this relate to the concept of
>ethnocentrism, where "Japanese" as an ethnicity is a stronger trait from
>the Japanese persepctive than one's citizenship or home country.

Yes, and I think "Japanese" as an ethnicity is a stronger trait than
ancestry, too.  So perhaps the idea of racism being a different thing
entirely from ethnocentrism holds water after all.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
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From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #21
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:40:04 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul24.155000.106001@cs.cmu.edu> tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar) writes:
>I found Homer extremely useful for understanding Western culture.
>If nothing else, it aids understanding of Western art and literature.
>Try reading Joyce's Uylsses without knowing the Odyssey.  And it would
>be pretty hard to understand a Trojan horse or the face that launched
>a thousand ships without knowing the Illiad.
                                      ^^^^^^

Of course, I meant to type ``Iliad.''  Mistypings are my -- uh, how should
I put it -- my Achilles' heel.
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From: REINECKE@UKANVM.BITNET (Charles Reinecke)
Subject: Re: Japanese emphasis MBA info sought (plus a dic. reference)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:41:48 GMT

Peter,
  I cannot recommend it from experience, but there is one school outside
of the ones mentioned - Thunderbird.  Actually, I think that there is
a longer name, but many people know it by this name.  When I was looking
at schools years ago this one came to my attention because the focus of
the whole school is international business.  I have also heard that the
alumni of it are a real tight group, although that's probably true of a
lot of Grad. Bus. Schools.  The only negative point I remember is that it
was not accredited, which I think means you would have trouble if you ever
wanted to go on for a Ph.D. because other schools would not recognize your
M.B.A. from there.

Charles Reinecke
reinecke@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu

PS. I think it is located in Phoenix, Arizona.
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From: robert@AHI.PBRC.HAWAII.EDU (Lopaka)
Subject: island mentality
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:15:55 GMT

>Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
>but I think the Japanese are very racist.

Well, the term racist has maybe a little more baggage than I'd like.
Maybe ethnocentric would be better. Most Asians have a cultural value
that places preference on their own group. Japans insularity make that
more identified with their entire nation. In contrast the levels
of the same phenomena in China result in preferences for Chinese above
others, but even for members of their region over those from other parts
of the country. The part of Japanese behaviour I'd explicitly call
racists involves the attitude towards the "native" sub-population of
the other islands including Okinawa and Saipan.

[ ... stuff deleted ]

Ken Latta, University of Michigan

I thought Ken was about to lean into a point about the island
mentality, but since he didn't I will.  Having lived in Hawaii for some
time I came to realize that some insularity comes from the feeling of
[for lack of a better word] vulnerability that comes from being
`exposed' on all sides.  I've heard the same thing from Australians
(granted it is a pretty big `island') but I certainly see it in Hawaii.
I imagine some of the Japanese racism/ethnocentrism-call it what you want-is
rooted in this, albeit rooted from a historical base that lingers.

Expanding on this thought of island mentality as I see it, some history
books will tell you that the Hawaiian pidgin was a basic staple formed
so the people of different cultures could relate, but now the story is
changing since pidgin isn't leaving but instead is becoming/has become
a staple for `identification' of the people (ie. they use it even
though they they can relate without it now.)  It seems to me that the
Japanese language/culture/behavior must operate in this identification
role, to some degree.  What is known is certainly more safe and
therefore palatable on first glimpse than what is unknown.  One of the
best things that can happen to these island kids is for them to live
elsewhere (ie. on the mainland for kids from Hawaii)
for a while in their teen years, or for college.  Many of them gain a
sense of `known' for the mainland and are able to relate to the other
49 states better as a country.  The sense of the mainland as a `them'
seems to turn to an `us', at least in the few cases I've seen.
I wonder about what I've heard about a word for Japanese who leave
the country and then come back--something to the effect of not being
completely Japanese anymore.  This sort of thing, if true, bothers me
and makes me wonder what all this Japanese talk of `globalization' is
all about anyway.  That word-globalization-is not the same
as `world integration' and I'm well aware of the differences in meaning, if
you know what I mean.

Robert Graf @ Univ. of Hawaii (but not the views thereof)




gain a sense of
From: brd@images1.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Barry Drodge)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:31:41 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

In article <BrIMx4.MMM@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, pjyamamo@watdragon.waterloo.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul16.144930.12288@bnr.ca> naldrett@bnr.ca writes:
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >In North America, Pontiac has started distributing the
> >Isuzu Impulse under the name of Asuna.  Is this a 
> >Japanese word?  I can't find it in my Japanese
> >dictionary.  If it is, can anyone tell me what it means?

The name is probably just something a marketing guy came up with.
Asuna came about after GM Canada reorganized their marketing strategy
in the Fall of 90 (1991 model year).  Prior to this GM sold Isuzu cars
and trucks and suzuki cars through a delaership chain called Passport. 
 In the fall of 90 GM re-organized to have GEO dealers located at Chev dealers
 just like in the US.  The Passport dealers changed the name to
 Saturn/Isuzu/Saab and now sold Saturn cars, Isuzu trucks and Saab cars.
The Chevy dealers got the GEO line as a Geo Metro, Geo Tracker, Geo Storm.
The Pontiac dealers got upset with this and complained.  So, GM invents the 
ASUNA line of cars to keep the Pontiac dealers happy.  They take a GEO Storm
(aka Isuzu Impulse) and make some more equipment standard, change the name and
call it an Asuna Sunfire.  They take the Geo Tracker (aka Suzuki sidekick) and call it the Asuna Sunchaser.

Voila! a new line of cars for the Pontiac dealers.


> 
> I recently heard that most Japanese Auto Manufacturers use
> different names in Japan (and elsewhere) as opposed to
> *Canada* (not necessarily the United States) because according
> to surveys, Canadians do not react well to cars with names like
> RX-7, MX-3, etc.
> 
Mazda thinks this is the case. 
InCanada they use the following names:
The MX-3 is called the Precidia, 
The 626 is called the Cronos,s
The 929 is called the Serenia


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From: skank@leland.Stanford.EDU (Forked Tongue Redlich)
Subject: Re: kanji-software
Keywords: uudecode/uuencode
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 07:09:30 GMT

In article <9207301547.AA17578@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:

>Well, it's really unfortunate that your site doesn't have ftp capabilities.
>The kanjips.tar.Z file is a compressed file with a size of 450 kByte.
>After decompression and dearching dozends of files with a total size of
>more than 1 MByte are created, so that I think that it is not practical
>for anybody to send these files via email.
>The second difficulty is that email cannot transfer binary data, which
>area also included in this software-package. I'm sorry to say that !!
>
>If anybody else has a better idea to help you ...?

Well, I think this is a better idea, but . . .

If you are on a Unix machine, there is a command called "uuencode" and
another called "uudecode".  uuencode will convert a binary file to
another format (Hex?) which is suitable for e-mail and general ascii
transfers.  When you get the encoded file, you decode it with uudecode.
Also, you don't need to decompress before you encode.  Take the compressed
file, uuencode it, e-mail it, and then the receiver uudecodes it and
decompresses it.  You can get uuencode and uudecode utilities for DOS at the
major archives (wuarchive.wustl.edu) (well, I'm pretty sure you can).
Of course, if you don't have ftp, I guess this won't help . . .

Good luck.

Warren Redlich    skank@leland.stanford.edu
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From: claude@TRC.MEW.MEI.CO.JP (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:52:59 GMT

From Akiko Hosler:
>
>   think or feel or "the software" of a society).  So I'm not an expert
>   on this side of argument.

Oh...I'm a expert on the other side: the side of people suffering from
racism or any other nice "name"... :-)

--
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Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN
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From: borden@M5.HARVARD.EDU (Dave Borden)
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:03:19 GMT

>
>Ethnicentrism cannot be a form of racism since ethnocentrism is based on
>ethnicity and racism is based on race. Ethnicity and race are not synonymous.
>Both are forms of prejudice.
>
>smittie


What, then, is the difference between race and ethnicity?  How do you define
the two terms?


   - Dave
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From: s8922967@MACKAY.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Japanese texts wanted <PLEASE>
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:51:58 GMT

> As a japanese student, I'm trying to read as many japanese texts as possible
> to learn kanjis. As I have no access to fj.* groups, I find that difficult.
> Could some nice souls send me some good texts (stories or so on) ?
> Please, no hard-to-read-even-for-native newspaper articles, I'm still a
> beginner !
> Thank you so much for those who can help me.

Me too please,

A general post of sites for ftp/ftpmail to pick up some?

Domo arigato gozaimashta,

Murray.


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From: brown@VDRL.SRC.MEI.CO.JP
Subject: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:18:57 GMT

Dear NIHONGO-LISTers,

   Mr. Williams wrote:
   >>Patrick asks:
   >>
   >>>Can you send me the ISBN or equivalent from those two dictionaries,
   >>>the Kenkyusha Furigana E->J and the Spahn-Hadamitsky J->E?  I'm
   >>>currently using a Vaccari E->J I bought 20 years ago when in the Navy,
   >>>and I've never been satisfied with it, but Kinokuniya in San Francisco
   >>>hasn't had anything better.

   >>Sure Patrick -
   >>
   >>The ISBN is        4767411726
   >>The title is       Kenku-Sha's Furigana English-Japanese Dictionary
   >>The Publisher is   Kenkyu-Sha, Japan
   >>Publication date   Apr 91
   >>Price (in UK)  25 pounds (usually the price in $ is the same most unfair))
   >>Availability       in print
   >>
   >>Source of info'    Whittaker's Bookbank
   >>
   >>- Andi Williams

This is the first time I'm posting to this list, so I'll try to
make this message useful.

"Kenkyusha's Furigana English-Japanese Dictionary" costs 2000yen and
can probably be ordered direct from the publisher.  Inside the book
the address is given:
	KENKYUSHA LIMITED
	11-3, FUJIMI 2-CHOME
	CHIYODA-KU, TOKYO
	102  JAPAN
It's usually available in the S.F. Kinokuniya Bookstore.  That's where
I bought my copy last year!

"KANJI & KANA", written by Wolfgang Hadamitzky and Mark Spahn is a Kanji
guide with the 1945 official Jouyou Kanji.  It's a good guide, especially
convenient when you want to know the meaning of a kanji (and stroke order,
and some words using it) quickly.  It costs about US$20.00 and is published
by Charles E. Tuttle Co. ~~~~~~~
	CHARLES E. TUTTLE CO., INC., EDITORIAL OFFICE
	SUIDO 1-CHOME, 2-6
	BUNKYO-KU, TOKYO
	102 JAPAN
(This book is also at Kinokuniya, though I got it at Berkeley's CODY'S BOOKS)

I hope that info helps for whomever needed it!


 Gary

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