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From: marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:10:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.012653.27985@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
>>- I think Barbara Bush is a very nice woman and it was nice of
>>  George to have her picture put on the one dollar bill.
>
>	RETRO ALERT!  I thought this kind of shitty attitude toward 
>	women went out in the seventies.  Yet here again is the same
>	old fucked up deal:  A Woman's Value Is Based On Her Looks.
>	
>	Get a clue, ya lame-brain.
>
Now wait a minute, Robin! What makes you insult Paul? Can't you be a
little less emotional? Don't you know how to lead a serious
discussion? Why did you have to include the words "shitty", "fucked
up", "lame-brain"? Do you really think that makes your argument valid?
Do you think people take you more serious if you do that? It seems you
want to make a weak argument stronger.

And in fact, your argument is very weak. Where does Paul refer to
Barbara's look? He sais she is a nice woman. He doesn't say she is a
beautiful woman nor does he say the opposite. Only that she is very
nice. Nowhere does he refer to her look.

In another article you accused someone else of putting people into
boxes so that it is easier to dismiss them:

>       Oh, you don't like something the Japanese do so you must
>       be racist....  So if I can't stand Jesse Jackson I'm
>       racist too.  How nice for you to put everyone in your
>       little categorical boxes so you don't have to think any more:
>       "I don't want to listen to him, he's a racist."

Don't you think you are doing the same thing? You show all signs of
putting Paul in a categorical box labeled "macho, judges women by
their looks". That way you devalue Paul and it is easier for you to
insult him. However, it does not make your argument valid because
unfortunately you picked the wrong box.

Next time you write an article, please don't insult anybody or I will
put you in a categorical box labeled "insults people" and that means
you will be the first person to enter my kill file.

Marcus
marcush@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: Experiences with judges in Redwood City?
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 21:39:21 GMT

In article <JET.92Sep30182018@win30.nas.nasa.gov> jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>I have to go plead my case (if nothing else, I want to be allowed
>defensive driving).  Anybody have any info about the Redwood City
>judges?
>
>-eric
>--
>             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
>                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
....Well if its about traffic, I've gone to plead my case once for speeding
in R.C. and the officer didn't show up so it was dismissed.  Another time I 
went before a judge for speeding and at the last minute the officer stood up
and told the judge, "in the interest of justice I suggest charges be dropped".   Guess I was lucky.

If on the other hand it was small claims, I was sued by our local friendly
cable tv people and lost.  The dear "judge" in that R.C. case promptly 
doubled the amount they sued for and I had to pay it.  Great huh?

Other times in R.C. when called for jury duty, one was a child molesting case 
and the other murder.  I didn't sit through the cases but saw the judges in
action and read the results.  I wouldn't want to screw up and come before 
those guys!

Good Luck!!

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:08:01 GMT

(Marcus Edward Hennecke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.235108.4996@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>>>>oriented remarks are not a crime here. 
>>  ^^^^^^^  try "Asian"  :^)
>
>??? And what please should "insensitive racially Asian remarks mean" ???
>Is an "Asian remark" a remark made by an Asian? How do you know that
>Eric is Asian? Or what is your definition of an "Asian remark" (and
>why do you write it with a capital "A")?

	As Foghorn Leghorn says, "It's a JOKE, son.  You're
	supposed to LAUGH."   (see that happy lil' smiley-face?)

>Well, all the remarks he made so far really are insensitive and are
>racially oriented (or "racially Asian", whatever that's supposed to
>mean). For example, he refers to Japanese as "Japs", which is
>certainly not very polite.
>
>Marcus

	I think Eric's just using a shorter word instead of a longer 
	one and meant no personal offense.  It's acceptable for other
	peoples:  "Jews" is an accepted alternative for "Jewish
	people."  
	If you'll notice, Eric seems to shorten _everything_ so don't
	be too offended.

	-Robin
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Recipe request: Hot Wings
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:34:38 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

Anybody know a recipe for "Hot Wings" sauce (a.k.a. "Buffalo Wings")?

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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Subject: Natural sponge source?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:14:29 GMT

Several years ago my father returned from Greece with a few
car washing size natural sponges.  His last one has finally
bit the bullet and he is asking for a new one for Christmas.

Does anyone know of a local source for something like this?
I work in Redwood City and live in Alameda, so would prefer
Peninsula, City or East Bay (but with a subject like this,
I can't exactly afford to be picky, can I?!).

linda@net.com
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800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Redwood City, CA 94063 
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal,talk.politics.guns
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Followup-To: misc.kids,talk.politics.guns
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:47:22 GMT

Followups out of misc.legal

In article <1992Oct12.171106.25965@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>Someone asked about relative stats between the dangers of unsecured
>pools and unsecured firearms. My world almanac shows that in 1990, the
>number of drownings per 100,000 was 1.9 and the number of deaths from
>firearms accidents was 0.6. I will add that many researchers believe the
>number of deaths from firearms accidents is inflated by sympathetic
>investigators who report a suicide as an accident so the survivors
>will receive insurance benefits.

But did you subtract the majority of drownings that don't occur in
unsecured pools?  (Beaches, bathtubs, lakes...)
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From: savel@hal.COM (Bharat Baliga-Savel)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: First auto insurance of my life and i am getting screwed. (help!!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:48:46 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gorn.hal.com

don't know why, but i think $1700 per year for a 2 yr. old car is a bit too
much. don't know much about cars. let alone car insurance. called AAA. this is
the cheapest rate inspite of the fact that i am over 26.

is there something that i should know/ask the agent before i get ripped off? 
i heard of guys getting full comprehensive insurance under $1000. what do 
they ask ??


thanx
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Newsgroups: ba.general,sgi.general
From: aim@belle.esd.sgi.com (Amy Sloniker)
Subject: Art Show
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:02:58 GMT

There will be an art show this Saturday (October 17) from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.
at University Art, 318 Page Street, San Jose.  Over 10 artists will be
showing and selling their work.  Art type is primarily impressionistic and
traditional.

Questions, email back to me.

Xref: sparky ba.general:4335 soc.culture.indian:33423 ca.wanted:1332 alt.culture.us.asian-indian:832
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: ba.general,soc.culture.indian,ca.wanted,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Amended Request: Need Fijian-Hindi Speaking Volunteer!
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:09:58 GMT
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys., San Mateo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com



First, I would like to apologize for not getting this right the first
time, but with a lot of help from many of you kind souls, I have been
able to narrow and focus what we need:

Specifically, we need a volunteer, preferably female, but a male would
be ok too, who speaks Fijian-Hindi.  This is for a client of our's who
needs very badly to be able to present her information, and understand
questions put to her, in a mediation context, and during a hearing.

The immediate concern is a mediation on October 26th at 10:00 a.m. in
Redwood City.  This shouldn't take more than an hour, although it
would be good if the volunteer could also meet our client ahead of
time at some point in our office [i.e. on a different day, at a time
which is convenient for the volunteer].

I can't stress enough the urgency of this.  I can't share too many
details here, but this client is trying to get out of an abusive
situation, and to spare her children from the same.

Please contact me if you, or someone you know, might be able to help.

Thank you.

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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: cats available for farm or rural setting
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:47:32 GMT

A friend of mine has tamed some feral cats.  They are tame now, but
not lap cats, and may never be.  They tolerate humans, like to be
petted a little, but don't like to be picked up and handled a lot.
They need homes where they aren't expected to be household pets.  The
ideal place is probably a farm or similar rural setting.

If you are someone you know is looking for a "good mouser" or two,
these cats are available.  Reply via e-mail or phone (510) 523-2514 or
(510) 748-3273.  Thanks.

-- Jon
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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:05:30 GMT

In article 3480@cascade.Stanford.EDU, king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>	Lefty and Henry:  Your postings are disgraceful.  No one is 
>	expected to remember every source/author/title off the top of 
>	their head and you have NO right to call someone a liar for 
>	failing to do so.  It brings to mind little boys shrieking,  
>	"Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!!"   GROW UP.

I haven't seen anyone call anyone a liar.  I have seen people who 
question "facts" which are presented without any support and which
are followed with much obfuscation.

>	
>	YOU haven't come up with any solid references about Japanese
>	airlines being as safe as US ones, yet you "know" they are.  
>	I support Eric P's statement about safety because *I SAW* the 
>	same study he did. YOU have seen nothing written in favor of 
>	YOUR opinion, you've offered NO substantiation (your criteria 
>	for being a labelled liar), yet you call OTHER people LIARS?  

So Robin, can you tell us the name of the magazine that you and Eric
saw?  The rest of us can't figure out how to find a magazine published
in the past year or so which had some information about airlines or 
something like that.

Also, I don't think that anyone feels that there is any need to provide
references to refute claims which have never had any solid reference 
provided.  Your claim that you believe Eric just isn't a verifyable 
reference.
 

---
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Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 02:44:38 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>eap@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>|> I hardly care about the meal service on aplane- I rather care about 
>|> safety, when such a substantial difference exists.
>
>like i said: put up or shut up.  you've failed to demonstrate (with facts)
>that this is true.  being a frequent flyer and follower of the airline
>industry myself, i know of no evidence which suggests that carriers like
>singapore, jal, ana, cathay pacific, etc. are less safe than us carriers.

	Perhaps you're not such an expert on safety if you didn't 
	know about the report.  I saw it too and I only fly once
	in a while.  :^) It was about 5-6 pages long and had the
	stats broken down by per person, per flight, etc.

	You're going to look pretty stupid when someone shoves the 
	damn thing under your nose after you've called them a liar 
	so here's a suggestion: find it yourself first and do some 
	fancy back-pedalling.

>obviously not the only think you know nothing about.

	The pot calling the kettle black.

># henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>

	Robin King
	king@glacier.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: ba.general
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Subject: Re: Air Show
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:27:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: ba.general

In article <18Nf037I97Hr00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, culver@uts.amdahl.com
(Eric B. Culver) wrote:
> 
> The last NAS Moffet Field Air Show will
> be held this October 17 & 18. The Blue
> Angels flying team is expected for this
> final show. 


The program for the Travis Air Show (last sat) lists the Blue Angels
schedule and says they will be in SF 10/10/92...

Anyone know anything about this?

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
Xref: sparky ba.general:4410 misc.kids:25835 misc.legal:18529
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:51:39 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <8107@public.BTR.COM> rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com) writes:
>If your child dies, being able to sue someone for not building an unclimable
>fence is small compensation.  *That's* why the responsibility is yours.

I consider this Mr Hyde's own strawman.
I know I've said numerous times that the purpose of the A.N. laws is to
encourage property owners to reduce the danger posed by hazards on
their property. No amount of money can make up for the loss of a child,
nor is it intended to. 

Furthermore, I have never asked you to build an unclimbable fence, just
a reasonable one to keep small children out.

Finally, I have never denied primary responsibility for my children.
An attractive nuisance, by definition, is something that many children
are unable to resist.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.legal
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:29:16 GMT

>
>Children are not responsible. This seems to be a difficult concept for
>many of the participants in this discussion. Maybe you could recall
>your childhood to help you get a grip on this concept.
>

When I was a child, My parents forbid me to leave the property.
Once I was a little older (prob 13 yrs) I could wander the neighbor-
hood, but only areas THEY were familiar with. If I went outside 
of this, I was punished by NOT being alowed to leave the house. 
Seemed pretty simple to me- I learned to be responsible this 
way too.
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: DJ wanted for Wedding
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:47:57 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general,ba.music
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.181111.15357@xstor.com>, daniels@xstor.com (Daniel A.
Segel) wrote:
> 
> My fiancee and I are looking for a DJ for our May 30 wedding in
> Berkeley.
> 
> We are in our mid-twenties and former college DJs ourselves.
> 
> We like college radio/alternative music, and we'd like to
> have a selection of Motown, R&B, 80's, 70's, 60's, and swing as well.
> 
> Any recommendations?

Yes, my wife and I used "A Sound Investment" for our wedding and we got so
many compliments it was ridiculous.  Steve Wozniak (no relation to Apple's
Founder), was our DJ and he was *wonderful*...we're using him for my
sister-in-law's wedding.

--
Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
Apple's)
athos@apple.com

HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to Barbara Boxer.
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:22:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.194203.19168@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.185834.23015@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>It's a damn shame we live in a convoluted "legal-sue" society, but
>>the issue here is TEACH the kids or WATCH the kids.  Suppose you
>
>How are you supposed to teach a ten-year old that an unfenced abandoned
>railroad turntable, which probably looks a lot like equipment at
>a playground, is dangerous and can hurt him badly, when you don't
>even know there is one in your neighborhood?
>

Very Simple: Don't let your kid roam, and play in areas that you
don't know about. If they wanna explore, go with 'em!



Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 21:25:32 GMT

>
>I would like you to substantiate this accusation or retract it, publically.
>

Waaaaaaaah! Cry!  
(Dish it out but can't take it huh?)

Take it to email if you want to whine, don't bother the other readers with it.

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Air Show
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:48:25 GMT
Distribution: ba

In article <1992Oct9.001713.1246@adaclabs.com> mlee@adaclabs.com
(Mike Lee ) writes:
>At Moffett NAS, I don't think they are going to fly both days (you never
>know), but they are supposed to be there.

I posted details of this (I inquired for Darrell Long) to rec.av*.military.
The PIO says they are supposed to fly both days at 3.  They will probably
do a bearings flight Friday mid-day (101 to be closed).  They also said an
F-117 stealth fighter might do a flyby after 11 AM.  Can't tell about
these stealth craft.

>See you there 8^)

Maybe.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Xref: sparky ba.general:4517 ba.music:1790
From: julie@soma (Julie J. D'Angelo)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.music
Subject: Re: DJ wanted for Wedding
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:01:06 GMT
Reply-To: julie@esl.com
Followup-To: ba.general
Distribution: ba


Hi,

	For my wedding I used "The Compact Disc Jockey".  Ken Cardona was  
our DJ and he was lots of fun.  He has a tremendous collection of music,  
everything from Classical to Alternative to Big Band.  He helped us to  
pick out music for our "special" dances and was very attentive to our  
guests requests.

	His Phone number is (408) 241-5431.

	Good luck with your wedding!!

=== Julie
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:24:25 GMT

In article <12736@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct10.063007.23176@odin.corp.sgi.com>, pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
|> > As for "Mr. Wonderful,the Governor".  I just can't say that I think
|> > of Pete Wilson as  "Mr. Wonderful,the Governor".  This doesn't make me 
|> > angry though.  What does make me angry is that Pete Wilson cut the
|> > public school budgets enough to necessitate a 40+% fee hike in the 
|> > CSU.  Enough to force faculty layoffs and curriculum reductions.
|> 
|> And then they were rehired.  Like my philosophy professor this
|> semester.

I'm sorry, but all of the *lecturers* were *not* rehired.  It may be true
that all or most tenure-track faculty retained their jobs, but that group 
is diminishing as a total % of faculty. Additionally fees for the CSU went up 40%.  There are quite a few people for whom this constitutes an abrupt end to  budding academic aspirations.

Besides ... is your argument that things weren't quite bad enough to lay everyone off?  How does this relate?

|> > Enough to vaporize entire academic programs.  And he betrayed a 
|> 
|> Which ones?  Alas, the non-academic programs, like Women's Studies
|> and Ethnic Studies don't ever seem to go away.

The School of Professional Studies and Education at Cal Poly for one.  But thanks to a taxpayer-subsidized drive led by the President (Warren Baker) they still have a football program.  Over 750 classes were cut from the curriculum (across all disciplines) instead.  Now Cal Poly is one of the richest of the CSU campuses, by virtue of corporate donations and alumni support.  Anyone else care to comment on the impact of budget cuts on the smaller campuses?

And your comment about non-academic programs is presumptuous.  While people 
these degrees may not be as employable as engineers, many of them do go
on to teach or conduct valuable research, maybe write some books.  I don't
think you get more academic than that.  I'm sure they don't all end up working for Taco Bell.

-- 
Paul C. David 
Applications Consulting, Silicon Graphics Inc. 
pcd@esd.sgi.com 415 / 390-2144