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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:01:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, bhhardy@cs.utk.edu (Barbara Hardy) says:

>
>I have an 85 Dodge Omni/2.2L front wheel drive, 112K miles.
>
>When driving straight ahead, the engine noise is a little louder than
>it ought to be. This is in comparison to the engine noise when I am
>turning left. It feels quite good then, no tension. As I bring the car
>back to straight ahead, the noise increase. It gets positvely
>annoyingly and scarily loud when I turn to the right, and the noise
>"feels" more "tense."
>
>I was driving on many miles on winding road yesterday, and I got to
>experiment a little with it. Turns out that when I apply the brakes,
>the noise drops quite noticebly (sp)! 
>
>Any clues as to what this could be?
>
constant velocity joint sounds like my first guess w/o seeing it?..
anyone?
DREW
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:27:41 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1doismINNdvh@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Why would the Suzuki Samauri, something CU trashed have an excellent
>>reliability rating.
>
>CU trashed them as being unstable, not unreliable.  I was rather
>surprised they did this since they never mentioned that all of the
>open-air jeeps are likewise unstable.  That was when I decided CU
>really wasn't impartial.

They've had better moments; who could forget the infamous Bose 901
speaker test? (CU trashed Bose, Bose took them to court (where the
'CU panel of experts' turned out to be ONE person) and won.

The 4wd flip story was not unique to the Samurai, as you point out;
other vehicles had higher flip rates based on NHTSA numbers.

Spiros


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From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:31:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.233727.11527@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
>Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:37:27 GMT
><<Lots of interesting stuff regards manuals excised>>
>This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long while. I
>definately think that those learning on a manual should be given credit
>at their driving test. Both my vehicles are stick shifts, one being a 1944
>jeep, and the places I've taken it I sincerely believe an AUTOMATIC 4x4
>(makes me sick at the very thought!) just would be plain dangerous. There's
>nothing like being able to shift six gears (3 main x high/low range) on
>the fly- the control is a very reassuring feeling.
>
>A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
>car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?
>
  Of course not.  Do you realize how much horspower is lost driving an auto 
tranny.  ( never buy an auto hooked to a four-banger.  Gutless is an 
understatement )

>Steve Malikoff.
>steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
>PS.  A friend of mine, also with a WW2 left-hand drive jeep, has taught
>his nine year old neice to drive it. ..She has no trouble at all! 

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From: kevin@modcomp.com (Kevin Smith)
Subject: Michelin XH4 tires.
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:55:20 GMT
Summary: Anybody have an opinion on them, good or bad?

Does anyone out there have the Michelin XH4 tires.  Any one
have any opinions on them, good or bad? I am considering putting
them on my 4-runner.

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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: WANTED: Road & Track Collection 
Keywords: Road & Track, Wanted
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:37:05 GMT


Wanted:  Road & Track Collection, Volume 1, Number 1 
         through December 1959

Needed to replace collection lost by nameless major
moving company.

Will also consider fragments or other years.

Please E-mail details.
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From: jd@sequent.com (Jim Duckering)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Pontiac 6000 good/bad ??
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:49:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov12.004903.9562
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.



Does anyone have any information on the Pontiac 6000 1986
2.8L V6?  Any information on mpg, reliability, problems
etc. would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-jd
From: 01ksdavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rebel without a clue.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Car theft protection my way.
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:12:26 GMT
Organization: The Corporation.


	Well, I don't have to worry about someone stealing my car (because it 
is a piece of junk.)

	BUT, if I had to worry about somebody actually stealing my car, there
are a couple of things that I would do.

	First, I would install a fuel lock.  So, if all else fails, The thief
won't get too far.

	Second, I would consider installing an electric disable switch.  
A thief can't start a car with no juice.  Of course, you could take the battery
with you, but if a thief wanted your car that bad, he would tow it.

	Another thing I would do.  Leave the car in gear (if it is a stick.)
This will spook the hell out of timid car thieves (there are a few out there)
and cause them to leave.

	If you were of mechanical inclination, all you would really have to do 
is remove your steering wheel.  Ain't no thief dumb enough to try to steal a
car he can't steer.

	About stereos-well, I hate those bass speakers, but I don't think people
will steal speakers, since they are big.  They do Make removable stereos these
days, the fact being that the thief can't take something that isn't there.

	Although I sort of have a preference for James Bond's car theft
protection system.  The car blows up if anybody tampers with it.

	Reasoning behind this:  "If I can't have my car, nobody else can!"
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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: What do you do when Mitsubishi's Customer Relations says "F*** O**"
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:52:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxB8J0.3L5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:

>True, but it is not a $25 dollar repair job - we have considered the option
>It is the stereo buttons that rattle because of poor design. Yes the
>console rattle I have been trying to fix myself by putting a cushion in
>between the dashboard and the coffee cup holder. It is the damn stereo
>that is a pain. I even thought about replacing it by an off the market
>model but I can't since the controls are on the steering wheel, too.
>Unless I let the steering controls remain their as a dummy remote. What a
>waste. Is their a stereo available that can be modified to be usable with
>a steering control. If so, let me know

I know that steering wheel controls are also used in the Acura Legend, but I
would be *VERY* surprised if the whole thing were compatible.  I would look
at some of the top-end Sony stuff; they have a lot now that uses wired remote
control and with a schematic and a little determination, who knows?  Also,
I would call some of the better car stereo companies (Sony, Pioneer, Nakamichi,
Blaupunkt, etc.) and explain your problem.  They may even have a special model
for cars with steering-wheel buttons.  Oh, another thought:  Is there another
radio option on the Diamante that also uses the buttons?  That would be a shoe-
in.

$0.02

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From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:37:27 GMT

<<Lots of interesting stuff regards manuals excised>>
This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long while. I
definately think that those learning on a manual should be given credit
at their driving test. Both my vehicles are stick shifts, one being a 1944
jeep, and the places I've taken it I sincerely believe an AUTOMATIC 4x4
(makes me sick at the very thought!) just would be plain dangerous. There's
nothing like being able to shift six gears (3 main x high/low range) on
the fly- the control is a very reassuring feeling.

A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
PS.  A friend of mine, also with a WW2 left-hand drive jeep, has taught
his nine year old neice to drive it. ..She has no trouble at all! 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu
Subject: MBZ mpg
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 22:12:55 -0500


What kind of mpg would a 80-82 Mercedes Benz 300 Diesel get?  For what kind
of hp?  Are those engines known to last very long?  

Just curious

BM
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:11:31 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>If you think the results of the questionaire in CU are baised against
>Americans and for Japanese because we are essenitally told by society
>how to think about our car then:

>Why is it that in CU just about Toyota cars(Celicas, Corollas, Camrys)
>uniformaly are black in ratings for reliablilty of their exhaust
>systems? **IF what you are saying is true then their should not be a
>pattern such as this.** The reason why it is plain and simple, Toyota
>exhasut systems rust out.

This doesn't invalidate the theory.  His theory was for minor defects,
not major ones (read it again, he's pretty explicit).

>Why is it that the Ford Crown Victora had great reliability while the
>Chevy Caprice Sucked? At the time(late 80's) they were very similar and
>very American. Did these Ford owners think the cars
>were Japanese?

It's quite possible that most Crown Victoria owners are biased against
the Japanese (ask yourself which major age group owns Crown Vics, and
why they might be particularly anti-Japanese).  It works both ways.

I believe it's a sound theory.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: rep@thor.genrad.com (Pete Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New Car Paint Care
Keywords: paint wax new
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:57:02 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.genrad.com


 In article <1de28dINN7qc@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM writes:
 >I am picking up my first ever new car today.
 >
 >I have heard two contrary things about new car paint care.  
 >Most people have told me that I should wash and wax the car 
 >IMMEDIATELY, while a few have said that new car paint should 
 >cure for a few months, and that it is bad for the paint to be 
 >waxed in the first 3 or 4 months after manufacture.   
 >
 >Given that winter is coming up here in the Boston area, the 
 >right decision is important, and in the absence of any definitive
 >answer I am inclined to go ahead and wax it.  
 >   
 >Anybody know about this?  
I don't know personally but...

The videotape that comes with the new Corvette recommends that you do NOT
wax the car until the paint has had a chance to cure for 2 months.  They
also recommend against polymer sealants, but give no indication why.
 
My car, which I have not received yet, was manufactured (I guess that means
completed) on 30 October, so I don't get to wax it until New Years Day.
Great day for waxing cars in Mass! :-( 

	pete peterson
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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Audi vs. Infinity Auto Trans.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:15:47 GMT

With regards to Audi vs. Infinity Q45 did you ever compare their
automatic transmissions? It is true that they both have the 
zizgzag pattern, BUT the patterns are QUITE different. CU had a
picture of each. In other words, they were commenting on Audi's
particular implementation of their Auto Trans, not about that
type of Auto Trans in general.

john
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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:56:03 GMT
Keywords: shattered

brazeal@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (susan.k.brazeal) writes:

>As I was driving home last night, I heard a loud pop, glimpsed a flash of
>light in the rear view mirror and saw that the rear windshield had filled
>with cracks, no more than a quarter inch apart.  As soon as I drove over
>a bump large enough to bounce the car a little, the windshield began falling
>out in pieces.

>Car:  1989 Chevy Cavalier (warranty expired 7 months ago, of course)

>Related info:  rear defogger had been on about 10 minutes.

>Theory: something overheated and the defogger shorted out.

>BUT THIS STILL SHOULDN'T CAUSE THE WINDSHIELD TO SHATTER!

>Anyone ever heard of anything like this happening before?

BMW has had a similar problem with the (old) 3-Series.  I think what happens
is a few of the elements break or separate, and the remainder get hotter,
causing them to "burn out" faster, causing the remaining ones to get hotter,
etc. until one gets hot enough that the temperature difference shatters the
glass.

You might go back to Chevy and make some noise...Who knows, they might at least
fix it cheap, seing as how somebody could have been hurt.
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From: yavo@ivy.unisys.com (Steve Yavorski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Advice - 1984 Pontiac Sunbird
Keywords: Advice, Pontiac, Sunbird, 2000
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:40:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvl.1992Nov10.154053.27357
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

I am in the process of acquiring a 1984 Pontiac Sunbird (2000) 4 door
sedan.  Its a gift from grandpa - the price is right. :-)  It has a 1.8l
overhead cam, fuel injected engine, without turbo, an automatic
transmission, and front wheel drive.  The car has 55K+ miles on it.

I am soliciting the net to find out the type of problems that I could
run into with this car.  Consumer Reports gives it a below average
rating, but we all know what kind of discussion a statement like that
can cause. :-)  Does anyone know if the engine is free-wheeling, does
it blow up if you drive over the speed limit, etc.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Steve

P.S.  Thanks to all on the net for the informed discussion on timing
belts.  I just had the belt replaced on my '88 Nissan Stanza Wagon at
98K+ miles BEFORE it was too late.  I would have not even known the car
didn't have a timing CHAIN without reading rec.autos.

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From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 280SEL 4.5 foSale
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:11:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I have a 1973 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 for sale, asking $555.55.
The engine is strong, interior good, and all power accessories work.
There is a spot of rust in the frame, and most body panels have a degree
of rust.

I need to sell this by November 28, 1992.  If you are interested, please
call or e-mail.  If you know somebody who may be interested, please tell
them to call or e-ml me.

Jo. Daker
4169 Lambert Road
South Euclid, OH  44121

(216) 381-5109

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sticks are great--if they've got HP/Torque to back it up!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:58:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) says:

>virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes:
>>I think sticks are great if I'm driving a car with some oomph to it,or
>>at least with a good horsepower curve('Stangs,F-bodies,the Dodge R/T's-Spirit
>>and Daytona,'Vette,300ZX apply here--sorry if I missed your particular fave
>>car). Otherwise--well--does nuthin' fer me.
>
>Actually you really want a stick when the car is underpowered or has a
>particularly peaky power curve.  Since you completely control the
>shifts you can keep the RPMs within the power band for optimum
>performance.  Few autos let you do that.

exactly! ever see an escort with an auto?..do not look if you suspect..it
ain't a pretty sight! with lotsa power, it makes less difference in the
fun factor what type of tranny..but, at either end of the power spectrum.._I_
think sticks have the greater fun factor...but i can see your point about
the commuter traffic...again, to each their own..to each their purpose
everyone has different needs/wants/wishes...i just think our children and
new drivers are being allowed/forced to be ignorant of something that could
be easily remedied with fairly little problem....backwards besides
IMHO
DREW
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:08:30 GMT


totally forgot:
the BMW M5 touring!

-teddy
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From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Subject: Re: INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:46:03 GMT

In article <BxGq0G.419@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:

>535i's.  I think a Mustang owner is perhaps not the most qualified person to
>comment on what is mediocre, seeing as how you actually put down money for a 
>30-year old chassis design with a big engine, wide tires, and little else.  The

   The current chassis is only 14-years old.  The BMW doesn't look like it 
has changed much at all in many years.

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From: ca@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (christopher.arnone)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Summary: Baloney....
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:54:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

> > 	The truth is that they don't give a damn about whether they get the
> > right person or not, its simply a revenue raising issue.  In court, your
> > word usually means nothing.  Accused murderers have more rights and are looked
> > upon with more respect by our justice system....
> 
> Ya right, and if a speeder ran over someone you knew because he
> was going to fast to stop you'd be the one yelling the loudest
> that the cops don't pull enough speeders over!

	You'll have a hard time convincing me that I'm a threat to society
doing 67 in a 55 zone instead of 60?  I guess to you those few extra MPH
makes me some sort of capital criminal.  The truth is that most speeding tickets
are not issued to lunatics doing 90 MPH but to regular people driving at speeds
that are proper given the road conditions.  As far as our criminal justice
system is conerned, on the night that a mother of three was carjacked and
knifed to death here in New Jersey outside a supermarket, I drove up the
Garden State Parkway and saw 4 State Trooper cars over a 12 mile stretch!  Talk
about putting our limited police resources to their best use!!!!  The system
sucks and regular people are the victims of it in the form of speeding fines,
higher insurance premiums to keep the dollars flowing from the insurance lobby
into the hands of greedy politicians, and misguided use of police resources
leading to increased personal and property crimes!

Chris