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From: apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Scriptures and bad advice
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:43:29 GMT

mooreb@fac.com (Brian Moore) writes:
: Did anyone else cringe when they read the Scriptures column in December
: '92?  It looks to be a new shell script column by John Esak.  In it, he
: recommends creating /usr/local/bin for scripts (which is fine) with a
: mode of 777 (which is NOT).  He also recommends adding this directory
: to the end of the path in /etc/profile.  This opens up a big security
: hole. 

Many of us are accustomed to either single-user Unix machines or small
systems where security is not an issue.  If this was not just a case of
run-away fingers, that's probably the explanation.

You could argue (poorly) that anyone running a system where security
*is* an issue quite likely knows better than to do this.  But that's
a pretty weak rationalization.

Authors *should* keep larger systems in mind when writing, or should
issue strong caveats when the suggested procedure is intended for
systems where security is not needed.  It's hard to remember that
when you are the sole user, or when the other users barely realize
they are running a shell.  Still, it should be remembered!

(an alternate explanation might relate to John's long involvement
with Filepro.  At one time, Filepro would not direct output to
a file unless the permissions were 777.  Read and write weren't 
enough to satisfy it!  John might have a habit of doing 777's
without thinking about it- I know I do unless I watch myself carefully!)


		Tony   apl@world.std.com

Lawrence & Clark, Inc		(617) 762-0707	(206) 323-2864
Xenix/Unix support,etc 	 	 Boston		 Seattle

Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton)
Subject: Larry Michels Problem
Organization: CMP Publications Inc.
Distribution: biz
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 05:01:35 GMT


Here's a tricky subject...

We, along with many other computer publications, have been monitoring
the unfolding press coverage of the sexual harassment complaints
against SCO President Larry Michels. 

The fact that we're a monthly magazine, with a more technical feature/
review format, has caused us to keep our distance from this story, while
more news-oriented publications have begun persuing it.

We're now wondering what interest this ongoing story may hold for
readers of SCO Magazine, and whether the story warrants some type of
coverage in our pages. There was some initial debate on this topic
in biz.sco.general and the outcome indicated that except for some
ex-SCO employees and one employee from a direct competitor, the issue
of Larry Michels' behavior was a non-issue.

It appears now that this is not an issue that's going to go away
any time soon.  Are there any issues SCO users are concerned about
stemming from this situation? What impact could these charges have on
you as builders and buyers of SCO systems?

We have been discussing this topic for the last several days and have
been trying to determine whether there is any substantial reason to
cover the events in Santa Cruz aside from idle curiosity. We'd like to
hear your thoughts on the matter.


Sean Fulton				Mitch Irsfeld
Technical Editor			Editor
SCO Magazine				SCO Magazine
sean@utoday.com                       mitch@utoday.com
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From: apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Larry Michels Problem
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: biz
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:42:24 GMT

sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton) writes:
: We have been discussing this topic for the last several days and have
: been trying to determine whether there is any substantial reason to
: cover the events in Santa Cruz aside from idle curiosity. We'd like to
: hear your thoughts on the matter.

Tricky subject indeed.  If you don't cover it, you look like
SCO sycophants.  If you do, you look like sensation mongers.


I don't think that it does relate in any way to the use of SCO
products.  

I certainly hope that Political Correctness is not going
to become the McCarthyism of the 90's.

		Tony   apl@world.std.com

Lawrence & Clark, Inc		(617) 762-0707	(206) 323-2864
Xenix/Unix support,etc 	 	 Boston		 Seattle
       Kevin Clark is embarrassed by most of what I say.



Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: mooreb@fac.com (Brian Moore)
Subject: Scriptures and bad advice
Organization: First Albany Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:07:31 GMT

Did anyone else cringe when they read the Scriptures column in December
'92?  It looks to be a new shell script column by John Esak.  In it, he
recommends creating /usr/local/bin for scripts (which is fine) with a
mode of 777 (which is NOT).  He also recommends adding this directory
to the end of the path in /etc/profile.  This opens up a big security
hole.  Anyone could create an "xs" script and put it here causing the
next mistyped "cd" have dire results.  Any script could be deleted and
replaced by anyone.  The entire directory could be deleted by anyone,
depending on the access to /usr/local.  Am I missing something here?
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton)
Subject: Works in Progress (February 1992)
Organization: CMP Publications
Distribution: biz
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:08:20 GMT

The following is a summary of articles being prepared for the February
1992 issue of SCO Magazine. Readers are encouraged to contact the
author with comments, suggestions or ideas. Our issue focus for
February is enterprise-wide corporate networks.

FEATURES:
Netware to SCO Connectivity:
	James Gaskin explores the variety of options for connecting
	Novell and SCO systems.
	contact: jamesg@utoday.com

Planning an Enterprise-Wide Network:
	John Vacca writes about how to plan for a large-scale network
	from your first SCO system to your 100th. Topics such as
	print, modem and terminal service, IP addressing, and user
	authentication will be discussed.
	contact: sean@utoday.com

Mac to SCO Connectivity:
	Chris Oggerino describes some of the many ways to connect
	Macintosh computers to your SCO systems.
	contact: chriso@utoday.com

The Ultimate User Story: SCO Running on SCO
	David Fiedler goes on-site for a look at how SCO uses its own
	products to run a business. And what a business it is.
	contact: david@utoday.com

REVIEWS:
Network Cards for SCO:
	Paul Fisher and Ed Cooley review network cards supported by
	SCO's Open Desktop and TCP/IP running on the new LLI network
	drivers. This is a comparative buyer's guide similar to the 
	multiport round-up we ran earlier this year. Only boards
	supported by the new LLI drivers are being exmined.
	contact: edc@openage.com or paul@openage.com

TERM from Century Software:
	A short review of the latest rev of TERM. 
	contact: sean@utoday.com

*********************************************************************
Letters to the editor may be sent via electronic mail to:
sco-mail@utoday.com, or via US mail to: Mitch Irsfeld, SCO Magazine,
600 Community Drive, Manhasset, NY. To subscribe, call (516) 562-5882.
 

 

.




Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: Larry Michels Problem
Reply-To: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Distribution: biz
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:00:21 GMT

sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton) writes:
>Here's a tricky subject...
>
>We, along with many other computer publications, have been monitoring
>the unfolding press coverage of the sexual harassment complaints
>against SCO President Larry Michels. 
>
>The fact that we're a monthly magazine, with a more technical feature/
>review format, has caused us to keep our distance from this story, while
>more news-oriented publications have begun persuing it.

I think you've pretty much summarized it right there.  You are a
technical FEATURE and REVIEW magazine.  Mr. Michel's alleged actions
won't affect (or shouldn't affect) the reviews or features portrayed
under SCO unix products.  "In the news" might be a good way to 
cover this subject with a short (100 word) summary of what's happening
on a personal or 'other' level.

Because you are a monthly, what is news as you print it more than likely
won't be news when someone reads your informative issue a year later.
I often read the "MicroBytes" and learn interesting things that stick,
things suitable for running Trivia games :), but that have no impact in
the real business world. 

The story {might} be appropriate for your sister publication,
Open Systems Today, since they publish biweekly and can report on more
of the news stories.

-Andy
 Unix manager @ GEnie


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Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: apl@world.std.com (Anthony P. Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Sandbox column and the role of "hackers" 
Organization: CMP Publications Inc.
Distribution: biz
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:19:11 GMT


: Hackers have kept the business of computing from becoming the true profession
: that it is. The hackers' lack of quality education and propensity for
: trial-and-error methods of implementing plans leave clients suspicious
: of the computing business as a whole. 
: Mr. Fulton, in his articles, displays this errant behavior (and even seems
: to boast of it) and I fear that others may be learning all the wrong ways
: to do things. 
: If you care about the industry of business computing and the professionals
: that serve it, please use educated, authoritative contributors. I have
: discussed this with colleagues and their response supports this. If you
: insist on using Mr. Fulton and his fumbling manner, put it where it belongs:
: "Mr. Bozo's Guide To Humorous Computing" or "How Not To Do Things." 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

The times they are a'changing.

Given no source code and limited support from the people who *do*
have the source code, what choice is there but trial & error?
Given hardware from different manufacturers exhibiting all
manner of quirks, could there be any other way?

Or perhaps the reference is to the "professionals" of main frame
ilk who study everything for 6 months and then write code at an
astonishing line or two a day!

Would "quality education" be the laughable (sorry, SCO) courses
that SCO offers?  Or would it have to be an internals class (whoops,
sorry, can't do that, you don't have a source license)?

Whatever.  Hacker's *built* this f'ing business and keep it going
day after day while the "professionals" sit by with their dinosaur
brains and squawk about procedures and flow diagrams and all the
other junk that keeps them from getting anything done!

I think Sean's tribulations are fun to read about.  It seems to me 
that he is positioned much as are many of the Sys Admins who read
SCO Mag: trying to get stuff to work with limited resources.

It's undoubtedly easy to pick out something that Sean was weak at 
and say "What a Bozo!".  The type of people who do such casting
of stones are pretty sad, IMHO.  We all started knowing nothing,
and there is no "quality education" other than throwing yourself
in the trenches and learning under hostile fire.  Writing about
those experiences is educational for those who haven't hit a
particular problem yet, and interesting for all of us.

The tone of the letter indicates someone with a very stiff broom 
running up the interior side of their spinal column.



		Tony   apl@world.std.com

Lawrence & Clark, Inc		(617) 762-0707	(206) 323-2864
Xenix/Unix support,etc 	 	 Boston		 Seattle
Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: test gateway, originate from news
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: xenitec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:13:09 GMT

Test news=>mail injector, origin Pnews

		--ed
Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: mitch@ost40.utoday.com (Mitch Irsfeld)
Subject: Sandbox column and the role of "hackers" 
Organization: CMP Publications Inc. 
Distribution: biz 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:26:55 GMT
Keywords:  
 

We recently received the following letter to the editor. It hasn't 
been published yet, so we'll keep it anonymous for now. I've already 
written my response, so I'm not looking for input on how to respond. 
But the letter brings up some interesting questions about the problem

solving techniques of computer people and what constitutes a  
"professional" versus a "hacker." 
 
Here's the letter: 
 
_________________________________________________________________________

I am very disappointed with the articles from contributing editor Sean
Fulton. This Mr. Fulton is the typical computer person I weed out of all
my client sites, and help them avoid engaging for any kind of technical
work. Professionals in my business refer to this person as a "hacker."

Hackers have kept the business of computing from becoming the true profession
that it is. The hackers' lack of quality education and propensity for
trial-and-error methods of implementing plans leave clients suspicious
of the computing business as a whole. 
Mr. Fulton, in his articles, displays this errant behavior (and even seems
to boast of it) and I fear that others may be learning all the wrong ways
to do things. 
If you care about the industry of business computing and the professionals
that serve it, please use educated, authoritative contributors. I have
discussed this with colleagues and their response supports this. If you
insist on using Mr. Fulton and his fumbling manner, put it where it belongs:
"Mr. Bozo's Guide To Humorous Computing" or "How Not To Do Things." 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
I am most interested in hearing different viewpoints on the the role 
of "hackers" in end user computing organizations, the proper techniques
for problem solving, and what causes users to be "suspicious of the 
computer business as a whole." 
 
Mitch Irsfeld 
mitch@utoday.com 
516-562-5029 
For subscription information, call 516-562-5882 
Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Larry Michels Problem
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: biz
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:24:07 GMT

In <BzIBAp.1FM@world.std.com> apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence) writes:

:sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton) writes:
:: We have been discussing this topic for the last several days and have
:: been trying to determine whether there is any substantial reason to
:: cover the events in Santa Cruz aside from idle curiosity. We'd like to
:: hear your thoughts on the matter.

:Tricky subject indeed.  If you don't cover it, you look like
:SCO sycophants.  If you do, you look like sensation mongers.


:I don't think that it does relate in any way to the use of SCO
:products.  

I agree with this totally.

:I certainly hope that Political Correctness is not going
:to become the McCarthyism of the 90's.

Well trial by media certainly isn't anything new.  Benjamin
Franklin wrote about the excesses of the press over 200 years ago.

Bill
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: edhew@xenitec.xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: test gateway, originate from mail
Submit-To: scomag@xenitec.on.ca
Organization: [resent by] The BIZSCO gateway and Propagation Society
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:14:33 GMT
Resent-By: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
Precedence: bulk

Test mail=>news, origin mail

		--ed
Newsgroups: biz.sco.magazine
From: sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton)
Subject: Works in progress (summary)
Organization: CMP Publications
Distribution: biz
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:54:34 GMT

Each month SCO Magazine will post a works in progress article to this
group giving a brief summary of articles we are working on for the
next issue along with the name and electronic mail address of the
writer who is working on the piece.

Readers who have information, comments or suggestions are encouraged
to contact the writer and become part of the editorial process. SCO
Magazine can not guarantee that your comments will be received in time
for the completion of the article, and we can't guarantee that what
you say will affect the course of the story. But we are interested in
hearing from you.

It is our hope that by telling readers in advance what stories we are
working on and providing access to the authors, we can stimulate the
writing process and produce more well-rounded copy. If you see a topic
that you have a particular interest or expertise in, or if one of the
topics we are working on is something you would like to know more
about, please contact the author or myself. In this way, we can better
serve the SCO community by addressing your questions in the articles,
and by providing information you may have that may not be accessable
through our normal channels of investigation.

These monthly summaries will be posted under the subject line of
"Works in Progress", with a note as to the issue date the article is
being prepared for.

Please keep in mind that it takes a lot of work to take a story from
assignment to the pages of a magazine, and our writers typically have
to submit completed work more than a month before the actual issue
date. Also, because of fluctuating page counts and other unforseen
circumstances, articles scheduled for a particular issue may not
appear in that issue.

However, whenever possible, we will consider your comments. We always
appreciate your participation and ideas.

Sean Fulton
Technical Editor
SCO Magazine
From: paul@openage.com (Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Anyone Hear of this Stuff????
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:02:17 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
Submit-To: scogen@xenitec.on.ca
Precedence: bulk

Hi All,

A customer of mine just asked me to teach a class on Pyramid Security.  I don't 
think it refers to a Pyramid UNIX system.  Does anyone have any ideas on this?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Independent SCO support and service provider in the D.C. metro area.
Insert clever saying here...
Paul A. Fischer           | Open Age Inc.  | paul@openage.com
Sr. UNIX Sys. Consultant  | (301) 948-6422 | (301) 948-9644 Fax
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: thomas@clpd (bulli@kodak.com)
Subject: Re: Changing SCO kernel to accept # !/bin/sh instead of :
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co. - Clinical Diagnostics Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:48:03 GMT

IT Manager (jim@tiamat.fsc.com) wrote:
: In article <BzF5su.By9@umassd.edu>, benu@cis.umassd.edu (David Hassel) writes:
: > 
: > 	I saw a posting a while ago on how to modify the SCO kernel to
: > accept # !/bin/sh notation on shell scripts instead of just :.  Could
: > someone re-post this to me or tell me how?  
: > 

: On a SCO Unix 3.2v4.0 (or above) system (which includes ODT 2.0), make
: sure the following line exists in /etc/conf/pack.d/kernel/space.c and
: rebuild your kernel:


: int hashplingenable  = 1;   /* set 1 if "#!" recognized by exec */


: I love this feature.

: Later.------------- 
: James B. O'Connor                                     jim@tiamat.fsc.com
: Information Technology Manager                        voice 615/821-4022 x651
: Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc.                             fax   615/821-0616

Is this limited to 3.2.4 or does it also work under 3.2.2.?
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: skf26@cas.org (Scott Frost)
Subject: Adduser shell script
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:57:14 GMT

Perhaps I'm in the wrong news group - if so, I'm sure some kind soul will
let me know in a polite way :-)

I'm looking for an adduser shell script for SCO UNIX.   This is a uncomplicated
setup with one machine supporting up to 20 or so concurrent users with a total
of about 80 login accounts.  We need to set up all 80 accounts with generic
login id's (i.e. unix01, unix02, ....) and the same password that should expire
immediately after entering it the first time.

Any takers?

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From: corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: hard drive accessing.
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:23:25 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

I have a SCO UNIX 3.2.2 system and every couple of muinites the hard drive
light flashes for about 180 seconds.  does anybody know what it's doing? (by
the way i haven't changed the cron to do anything at this time.  also no one
has been using the system for 4 hours).

Should i stop this to keep it from wearing out the drive?

Also does UNIX come with disk defragmenting?

Thanks in advance,
        Corey

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corey@amiganet.chi.il.us
I do not own a amiga!
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: ajay@decster.uta.edu (Ajay Barve-273-3023.  System Administrator)
Subject: Re: Disk Quotas for SCO???
Followup-To: ajay@acctlabv.uta.edu
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:30:46 GMT

In article <thw.724481651@mcshh.hanse.de> thw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Thomas Wieske) writes:
>paul@openage.com (Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant) writes:
>
>>Hi All,
>> 
>
>>Does anyone know of a way to implement disk quotas under SCO 3.2v2 ???
>Or/and SCO 3.2V4/ODT 2.0 ??
>
>>If so please let me know.
>And to me please..
>

Me too please.

Ajay Barve
Center for Accounting Software Evalauation.
University of Texas at Arlington.

Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: davidf@golem.waterloo.on.ca (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Re: Shell script poser
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:07:27 GMT

According to apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence):
>: You were lucky that you didn't pass it a file which had a line
>: beginning with one of the words 'match', 'substr', 'length', or
>: 'index', because then you would have got
>: 
>: >	expr: syntax error
>: >	expr: syntax error
>: >	
>
>His script was not using awk, and wouldn't object to those
>(awk) keywords.  

Neither was I when I saved his article to a file, edited away
all the extra stuff, and ran it as a shell script which gave me
the output above.  expr also recognises all of the above
keywords as shorthand for simple regular expression matches.

- David
Xref: sparky biz.sco.general:4716 comp.mail.uucp:2349 comp.unix.sysv386:17500
From: davidf@golem.waterloo.on.ca (David J. Fiander)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general,comp.mail.uucp,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: SCO Unix 3.2.4 MMDF UUCP to SMTP gateways ???
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:41:34 GMT

According to bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche):
>>Close.  Try confstr="naddrs=#"
>
>Standard mmdf2 distribution I have has naddrs= #ifdef'd out.

That's right.  That's why I was very careful to say SCO MMDF as
shipped in the MMDF TLS.  I rewrote the UUCP channel almost
from scratch while working for SCO in order to provide this
essential functionality.

- David