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From: huangk@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Since Signals is the topic of conversation...
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:52:42 GMT


<jaeger@buphyk.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)> writes

>In article <1992Oct9.053824.23355@muddcs.claremont.edu> karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:

>>Also... Where is the Warren Cromartie Secondary School?

>It is fictional. Cromartie (I believe) is the name of a Canadian
>baseball celebrity. Anyone with more knowledge care to elaborate?

>Gregg

Well, there's not much more to say. Warren Cromartie was an outfielder for the
Montreal Expos around the time of Signals (note the numerous baseball references
on the album sleeve - this was also before the Jays became as popular as they
are today). As far as him being a CANADIAN baseball celebrity, that only refers 
to his team; Warren was American born (I believe). And yes the school is most
probably fictional (as is Lerxtwood mall, as is Old Dirk Road, etc. etc.).

Ciao,	Greg Hammel.

HAMMEL@SKISAS.USASK.CA (not HUANGK@SKYFOX.USASK.CA!!!!)

"Plus ca change, plus c'est la .... oh shit, I wish I hadn't failed French!"
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: _2112_ Cover
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:45:20 GMT
Organization: Solar Federation
Originator: jlwoodal@c00007-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


I used to like them until just now... DAMN!  I thought they were
satanic!
From: geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Since Signals is the topic of conversation...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:23:29 GMT

In article <98087@bu.edu> jaeger@buphyk.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.053824.23355@muddcs.claremont.edu> karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>
>>Also... Where is the Warren Cromartie Secondary School?
>
>It is fictional. Cromartie (I believe) is the name of a Canadian
>baseball celebrity. Anyone with more knowledge care to elaborate?


Warren Cromartie was a first baseman and outfielder for the Montreal Expos 
during the 1974 and 1976-1983 seasons.  In 1038 games with the Expos, 
he batted .280 and hit 60 home runs.  After 1983, Cromartie played seven 
seasons in Japan.  Before the 1991 season, Cromartie signed with the Kansas 
City Royals.  He played one season for the Royals, batting .313 mostly as a 
pinch hitter.

Cromartie's best season was 1981, when he hit .304 and helped the Expos to the
National League East Second Half title.  ('81 was the strike year.)
Perhaps not coincidentally, this was the year before Signals was released.

sjs
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:20:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

The funny thing is that when MTV first started out, there wasn't a lot of
video production yet, so they showed any video that had ever been taped
(for the most part).  "Limelight" and "Tom Sawyer" were shown a lot.  (But
then, so was "Video Killed the Radio Star", "Blinded Me With Science",
"Whip It", etc...)
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: Speaking of YYZ...
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:43:07 GMT

In article <BvrDxH.1Gv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v071pzp4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu  
(Craig L. Cole) writes:
> Somebody just asked what album YYZ is from (Motion Pictures ;-)),
> and it started me wondering:
> 
> Does YYZ mean or stand for anything? Its a great instrumental.

It is the international symbol for Toronto (Pearson) International  
Airport.  Of course -   :-)
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:20:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Oct15.125720.1570@msdhsv.ingr.com> tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.233948.10562@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake) writes:
>|> In article <1bi5npINN5c5@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno) writes:
>|> > keep
>|> >people like us WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING to hear them once again.
>|> 
>|> The only Rush videos I ever recall seeing on MTV are "The Big Money" and
>|> "Mystic Rhythms" back when PoW first came out, and then only a few times.
>|> Has anyone seen any others on MTV? I haven't paid much attention to that
>|> station since leaving high school ('86).
>
>I've seen "Vital Signs" and "Distant Early Warning" on eMpTyV, but
>not in many years.
>
>Also, back in the good old days when MTV used to broadcast live 
>concerts, they showed Rush once.  For years afterwards they showed 

>videos from this concert:  "Tom Sawyer" and "Red Barchetta" are 2 that
>I've seen several times.
>-- 
>T.J. Higgins | tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com | Intergraph Mapping | Huntsville, AL
>"The more we think we know about
> The greater the unknown" -- Rush

I've seen Show Don't Tell, and The Pass (IMHO the best RUSH VIDEO)
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* c-amin1@uiuc.edu*********************Peter Gabriel, "Family Snapshot"*******
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From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Speaking of YYZ...
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:37:05 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BvrDxH.1Gv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v071pzp4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig L. Cole) writes:
>
>Does YYZ mean or stand for anything? Its a great instrumental.

	YYZ is the code for the airport in Toronto...you know, the little 
tag they put on your suitcase.   :)

			-Jonny B.
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: Re: Tragically Hip.
Reply-To: sorsha@wor.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:54:15 GMT


I've been meaning to ask this for a while -- what's the best
Tragically Hip album to pick up for a first-time listener?  (It'd be a
shame if the one I pick up was a really poor effort on their part.)

						Derek L.
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Opening Acts
Organization: The rational midnight star
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:57:23

In article <Bw1qEH.4MJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:

   Speaking of Marillion opening up for Rush, I really would like to get some
   recommendations on which Marillion album to try out for my first, and also,

I would recommend the double live CD, The Thieving Magpie (La Gazza Ladra). If
you like it, buy Clutching At Straws and Fugazi next. And if you own a video,
do buy the live video Live From Loreley. It's excellent!
I recommend The Thieving Magpie because it contains the whole Misplaced 
Childhood album, which is usually considered their best (and the live version
is much better than the studio one), and because all the songs from the
older albums (Script for a Jester's Tear, Fugazi) sound incredible on
TTM. There are some songs from Clutching at Straws on "Magpie", but I think
they've chosen the best possible tunes; I would have omitted Sugar Mice
and White Russian and added Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of
the Night and The Last Straw. The live video has most of Clutching at
Straws included; only Going Under (it's not a good song), Just for the
Record, White Russian and Torch Song aren't included.

So, in a nutshell: buy The Thieving Magpie. If you like it, buy Clutching
at Straws and Fugazi, and the live video. The first studio album really
isn't that good, but the earlier live album Real to Reel is worth buying
if you get really interested. One of Marillion's best songs (and my
personal favorite), Cinderella Search, is in there. 

Does anyone own any Marillion bootlegs?
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: Rush comic from Revolutionary Comics
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:47:55 GMT

	Whoa!  Sorry about that wierd post, there.  Kinda screeeewed it
up.  What I meant to post was the following:

	Has anyone else seen the Rush biography comic put out by an
American comic company (Revolutionary Comics)?  It's #49 of their "Rock
'n' Roll Comics" line, released in July of this past summer.  I thought
it was a good overview of their career, right up until the release of
RTB, including plenty of anecdotes from band members (presumably gleaned
from interviews).
	As with everything they publish, it's "unauthorised and proud of
it."  If anyone wants it, I'll post or mail the address you can order it
from.  But I'm sure your friendly neighbourhood comics store can get it
in for you.

	By the by, this is my first / second post to this group,
although I've been reading it for a while.  I enjoy reading the
discussions (Rush seem to be one of the few rock bands you can actually
have an _intelligent_ discussion about).  Don't mean to sound elitist or
whatever, but that is certainly true about the lyrics / inspiration for
lyrics end of it.
	- Gord, glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:40:17 GMT
Reply-To: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

Well maybe you'll gripe about this being said already, but I don't often read this 
newsgroup.

Didacts an anagram ?  Come on people, why don't you check out a dictionary first !!!!
Not everything needs to be so cryptic ...

Didactics : the art or science of teaching

Didactic : intended to instruct ; morally instructing ; (works of art or literature) containing political or moral message to which aesthetic considerations are subordinated.

More likely, hmmm ?

Tim
From: fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:07:53 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: Ignorant fools running the World with television


In article <Bw3J9F.J5t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>On the end of MTV's Half Hour Comedy Hour (during the end credits) they had  
>some remixed Rush tunes playing.  It was the music directly around the rap from  
>RTB and a little bit of Show Don't Tell, I think (the cable was cutting in and  
>out then, so I'm not sure of this).
>
>It was nice hearing the music, but I was expecting to hear Geddy's  
>electronically lowered voice and they mixed it so that the rap was just missing  
>from the tune.  No lyrics, no royalties, I guess.
>
>I was so in the mood for hearing Rush then, I kept the TV on MTV hoping to see  
>some Rush video(s), but no luck.  I turned the whole thing off after about a  
>half-hour.
>-- 
>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
>-- NeXTmail ok


The only thing that MTV and Rush have in common is.........NOTHING!!!!!

As far as I can tell, Music Television has been the downfall of the music
scene since their beginning!!  Bands that are nothing more than 'glitter-boys 
and posers` get ALL of the cable-play while competent, worth-while musicians get
late-night, limited showings.  And even then, these musicians (such as Rush) are
rarely discussed, but other "entertainers" get constant, mind-numbing exposure 
during breaks, `The Week In Rock', or any other time MTV can squeeze in more 
boring and useless information.

(And I stress the work entertainers because as you well remember, MTV promoted 
the SHIT out of worthless people like Milli-Vanilli while all along they knew 
how fake they were!!!)

It doesn't surprise me that MTV would 'rip-off' Rush songs at all.  I'm surprised
that they even played music from RTB!!  The only reason they do this is to keep
people like us WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING to hear them once again.

Next time, do what I do and stay completly away from Mind-dead Television (MTV). 
Although this may sound like a pessimistic posting, I wouldn't get my hopes up
for Rush to be seen again on MTV very soon.........unless, that is, one of the
band members dies. ( And then MTV will say how great they were and then make
another few million dollars showing Rush vidoes while more commercials bombard us
once again.  Then in a few weeks, MTV will forget Rush even existed.  Trust me.)

In my sincere and honest opinion,

Frank Sereno
Kansas State University
From: raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Opening bands.
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:35:46 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

The only band I have seen open for Rush that hasn't already been 
mentioned (at least that I've seen) was MSG on the HYF tour. 
It had been raining all day and we had waited outside in line for the 
general admission show. Once we got into the show (3 people length 
from stage) it started to get very hot. MSG was horrible!! and the guys
next to me were screaming like fools. Afterwards they said "Cool, let's go!
We saw who we came for."  And they left.   What Idiots.

Then the boyz came out and played Big Money. Wow! I could actually see 
them!! But by the end of the 3rd song I had been pushed back to about 12 
people from the stage. It was very uncomfortable. The heat and wet people
had made for one big steam pit.
About halfway through the show, having already lost my much shorter roommate
and his girlfriend, I started to get real dizzy...thought I might black
out. I went and found a seat at the back of the Coliseum (Charlotte, N.C.'s 
old one). Finally during Tom Sawyer I headed back and got really
close for the encore. I even found my friends!

Two months later they played on campus at NCSU. I was front row, in a 
seat, right in front of Geddy. It was absolutely incredible. And this time
I got to see a good opening act, Tommy Shaw. He played a really good 
set, doing some Grand Illusion era stuff and all. 

All in all, on Rush opening acts, I've liked Blue Oyster Cult and Tommy
Shaw, hated MSG, and tolerated Primus and Mr.Big, but barely.
I just hope that they don't have Mr. Big open again. Presto and RtB
was too much. Ideally, I would rather the Boyz play a few more songs
from the album they are touring for, and expand the length of their
show by 20 minutes or so, and not bother with an opener.
 
BTW: just once, could they play Entre Nous again!! (and let me be there)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: larsen@unislc.uucp (Steve Larsen)
Subject: Re: Opening Acts
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:24:11 GMT

Tero Valkonen (d40374w@kaira.hut.fi) wrote:
: In article <Bw1qEH.4MJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
: 
:    Speaking of Marillion opening up for Rush, I really would like to get some
:    recommendations on which Marillion album to try out for my first, and also,
: 
: I would recommend the double live CD, The Thieving Magpie (La Gazza Ladra). If
: you like it, buy Clutching At Straws and Fugazi next. And if you own a video,
: do buy the live video Live From Loreley. It's excellent!
: I recommend The Thieving Magpie because it contains the whole Misplaced 
: Childhood album, which is usually considered their best (and the live version
: is much better than the studio one), and because all the songs from the
: older albums (Script for a Jester's Tear, Fugazi) sound incredible on
: TTM. There are some songs from Clutching at Straws on "Magpie", but I think
: they've chosen the best possible tunes; I would have omitted Sugar Mice
: and White Russian and added Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of
: the Night and The Last Straw. The live video has most of Clutching at
: Straws included; only Going Under (it's not a good song), Just for the
: Record, White Russian and Torch Song aren't included.
: 

Yes, I would have to say the The Thieving Magpie has got to be one of the
best (if not the best) sounding live albums I have ever heard.  It is a must
have for anyone who even kinda likes Marillion.

Steve






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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:09:04 MDT
From: rosej@wyoming.et.byu.edu (James Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: CoS, Satanism, and some other stuff...



Mike Hurben writes

>Also, concerning the ridiculous Satanism business, the STUPIDEST thing I
>ever heard was:  some idiot once told me that R.U.S.H. stood for -
>get ready for this  -  "Rock Under Satan's Hands."  Has anyone else

Someone once told me that Rush stands for "Ruled Under Satans Hand".  Other similar
things I've heard are that KISS stands for "Knights in Satans Service".  Most of
these viewpoints come from overzealous people who are absolutely determined to
prove that Rock and Roll is the devils invention.

					James
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The face in CoS...
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:27:25 GMT
 <1992Oct13.141853.19246@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Oct14.232741.15185@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> I don't see the face you are talking about, but I see another one. 
> This one is looking to its right and is a head and shoulders shot of a
> woman.  The right hand and skull form the nose, and the pyramid and
> smoke below it are the hair.  You have to get about 10-12 feet away to
> see it.

	... and smoking WHAT?



Thomas Beaudoin

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Opening bands.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:18:33 GMT

In article <13OCT199211344963@scan2.tamu.edu> potter@scan2.tamu.edu (SHANE POTTER) writes:
>	I don't understand.  Why does everyone else get to see all of the
>really cool groups open for Rush?  My first year (Power Windows), Steve
>Morse opened up, which would later become cool, but at the time, I didn't
>know who he was.  Next, with HYF, was Tommy Shaw.  Ooh-rah.  Then, on
>Presto, I saw Mr. Big, which was also cool, as they were jammin'.  Sheehan
>and Lee on the same tour.  Now I hear that Eric Johnson was opening on this
>last tour.  Then why the hell was I stuck listening to PRIMUS, for God's sake?
>I've never heard 45 minutes of less enjoyable noise.  When I saw Claypool 
>play bass for the first time (on eMpTy Vee), I was damned impressed.  But
>in concert, they BLOW (careful not to say suck).
>
>	WHY DIDN'T I GET JOHNSON OR MARILLION?!?!?!?!?!?


I was lucky enough  to see Eric Johnson open for RUSH, but I think that Primus
would have been a great band to hear also.  Most of my friends from back home
(Baltimore area) got to see Primus and I must admit I am envious.
-- 
**RUSH**YES**METALLICA**PINK*FLOYD**PEARL*JAM**PETER*GABRIEL**PAUL*SIMON**REM*
* "If you don't get even, you learn to take, and I will take you..........." *
* c-amin1@uiuc.edu*********************Peter Gabriel, "Family Snapshot"*******
*The University of Illinois, Urbana/Champaign***Go Illini!*Orioles!*Cowboys!**
From: jaeger@buphyk.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Presto
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:40:45 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


In article <MD2946.92Oct9132252@thor.albany.edu> md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson) writes:

>...[R]ecently after listening
>to Presto for the zillionth time I realized that Rush has ever so slowly
>shifted there music so it is more technical.  This is no big discovery I 
>know, but I also have noticed that a lot of the passion has gone...

>In many of the older albumns Geddy sings with such passioon and Alex jams
>as does Neil.  I hate to say this, but I think they are starting to get old.
>Something is missing and I cant quite place it.   Does anybosy see these same
>trends?  Agreement or Disagreement?


Well, a counterexample to this `loss of passion' is ``Show Don't Tell.''
SDT is a pretty serious jam and a very passionate song if you ask me.
I also think that, despite its technical complexity, HYF has some
pretty passionate playing and some _serious_ jamming, for example
in ``Turn the Page''...


Gregg
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: tracvts
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:05:13 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct13.175604.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>> I seem to remember at a show in Kansas City some time in the early 80`s
>> (perhaps the Signals or P/G tour) that a few `religious' folks were passing out 
>> pamphlets asking the reader, "What is your Rush?"

We're running away from them! :)

>	I've been to several Rush concerts in KC.  At each one, some 
>conservative Xian groups have passed out pamphlets or tracts.  I looked
>at~r them, but never found any references to Rush...

It'd be great to hand them the lyrics to ``Witch Hunt''!


>	A religion debate outside the concert hall would probably be more
>appealing to Rush fans.


Absolutely! 

Or perhaps a friendly discussion over the lyrics to ``The Big Wheel''?


Gregg



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