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From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:28:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug15.182858.4402
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <86097@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>The other is so heavily moderated that spontenaity
>seems lost, and I dislike reading the moderator's views interjected
>so liberally into other people's posts.

I, for one, agree with this view of s.r.c.  I've been rather disappointed
in it, and I too find the moderator's comments to be intrusive.

>What about a group called rec.arts.christian?  That would include
>things like the L'Engle discussion and the Christians-in-the-arts
>image discussion (which started with Amy G. but broadened
>considerably); we could also set it up with the premise that 
>it wouldn't be moderated, in case threads broaden to include

You would certainly have my vote!

  --Kim
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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Need a Scripture reference
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:54:01 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Aug13.100430.603@ualr.edu> jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.133829.3829@cs.cornell.edu>, lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) writes:
>>
>>Yes, this IS sort of music-related. Can anyone give me a scripture 
>>reference to back up a claim I heard last night that Satan was "in charge" 
>>of the music in heaven before his fall? I'd sure appreciate a reply today
>>if someone's got it.
>>
>>Thanks bunches,
>>
>>  Linda 

If memory serves me correctly, the reference you are looking for is NOT
found in the canonical Scriptures.  I believe it is somewhere in the
Apocrypha.  Maccabees or some such book...Don't have my non-Canonical
text with me...now where did I PUT that thing?...
>
--
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: DA/Arkangel CD reissues available
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:35:53 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

To all interested, I have either personally seen or own the following,
and I know you can get them through True Tunes:

These albums are indesputably some of the greatest Christian albums
ever, and these CD reissues are a must.  Remember these are all
independent releases and may be totally impossible to locate in a year
or two.  Grab 'em while you can! 

Daniel Amos - Doppelganger (Stunt Records)  with 3 bonus tracks: 
(includes a SOOPER-KOOL intro to the Doppelganger tour concerts - the
infamous "Pinnochio" mannequin shows about Pinnochio's transformation 
from a hollow, wooden puppet into a real boy and how the transformation
is meant for us all; and live cuts of "Real Girls" and "Memory Lane."
Makes me think that those concerts must have been THE Christian
performance event of the 80's and I missed out  :-(.  )

ARKANGEL - Warrior (Joyeuse Garde)
KEMPER CRABB - The Vigil (Joyeuse Garde)
It's amazing how these two albums rendered 90% of Christian rock and
praise/worship albums of the 70s and 80s as embarrassingly shallow and
musically inept.  Buy three copies of each: one for yourself, one for a
friend, and one for the person of your choice in this month's top-40 CCM
charts.  These (and Doppelganger) show what hard-work-developed
musicianship, vision, and a miniscule budget can produce.  You may never
be able to listen to another Christian rock song with battle imagery in
the same light again...

-m.
tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:18:20 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cygnus.cis.ksu.edu

Have we forgotten about talk.religion.misc?  That's a nice, generic,
unmoderated group.

-- 
Scott Parish                |  The Truth is still the Truth      |  John 14:6
parsons@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu  |  even if you choose to ignore it.  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Paul.Laurie@anat.utas.edu.au (Paul Laurie)
Subject: Re: New FMG albums--Shout
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:15:31 GMT


> Shout's not exactly 'back together,' but a couple of months ago they came out
> with a greatest hits album, which also includes the superlong version of
                                                       ^^^^^^^^
                                                      20 seconds longer
> 'In Your Face' from one of the Hot Metal Summer samplers, a remix (mainly
> new drums) of 'Give Me an Answer,' and TWO NEW SONGS.  The songs are, 
>  musically,among the best that Shout has ever done, although they are both a 
> bit repetitive lyrically.  But they are worth your $10.88, especially if you're
> a Shout fan.
> 
> Also, i read somewhere that they're leaving the door open for a reunion
> (possibly) sometime in the future.  Here's hopin'!
 Amen !!

> JRjr
> -- 

If anybody has the catalog no. and record company for this album and the new 
Crystavox album could you please e-mail them to me. 

Thanks

Paul
From: mece2b1@rosie.uh.edu (Meyers, David C.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: King's X questions
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:57:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug17.185341.1029@doe.utoronto.ca>, peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke) writes...
> 
>Two questions i have regarding King's X:
> 
>	1) could someone send me the lyrics to their latest album.

     Although I haven't sat down to figure them all out & write 'em down. It's
     pretty easy to decipher them. I suggest playing it either louder, adjust
     the EQ on your stereo, or listen to the album more:)

>	2) on some of their previous albums there is a skyline in the
>		background. What city is it?

       That beautiful city is their and my hometown, Houston Texas USA.
       Also, most of their videos were filmed here (houston) also.
       Either on the streets in one of the wards ("King") or in a local
       venue, The Tower Theatre, ("We are finding.." "Over My Head")

> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Peter.
>-- 
>Peter Mielke                                              peter@doe.utoronto.ca
>University of Toronto, Dictionary of Old English Project  utzoo!utdoe!peter

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-      	       but that was yesterday 			             -
-              but i can see the beauty that is here for me          -
-              the chance to live and walk free                      -
-              from a legal kill                                     -
-                 -- "legal kill"  king's x                          - 
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-        david ---->   st1hz@jane.uh.edu			     -
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: DA/Arkangel CD reissues available
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.142944.27565@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>Hoo boy.  I saw these guys with Randy Stonehill in Columbus in the early 
>'80s, about the time that "Doppelganger" was first released.  It *was* a
>terrific performance event.  

I saw them in Tulsa around this time, probably the same tour.
The two bands together did Stonehill's "Good News" as the 
finale.  Fantastic raucous celebration!  (I would have been
mashing the accelerator during that one.)

John


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:42:12 GMT

My (hopefully) final $0.02 worth:

	Q: Is music amoral?

	A: Music?  Yes.  Lyrics?  Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

--
Keith
drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: 11srust@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Scott A. Rust)
Subject: perhaps if we worry about our _own_ faults, etc.....
Organization: Gallaudet University English Dept
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:09:32 GMT


	People, I have to tell you something. I've been silently reading 
newsgroup for about a year now, enjoying the discussions about Christian
music that I so love to listen to. But I have to say that in the last 2 or 3
weeks (or however long this has been going on), reading all this schlock about
Amy Grant and what a terrible, horrible, vile sinner she is because of this
music video she made..... Well, it embarasses me as a christian.
	As Christians we are taught to accept all people unconditionally and
without judgement, and yet we are _always_ the most judgemental people around.
Amy Grant has been a strong force in Christian music for some time. The fact
that she is not making the kind of music WE want her to make right now is just 
TOUGH! Get over it! This is a conscious decision that SHE made and the
_obvious_ fact that many of us don't agree with it is just TOUGH!

	I am praying for all of you who are finding this hard to accept. I
realize that this is not easy for some, but it's a part of life. Not everyone
will be able to fill your expectations as you want them to be filled. I pray
that those who are being so critical are able to look at _themselves_ and work
on things in _their_ lives that need tending to FIRST.

		In His name,

		   Scott Rust
		   11srust@gallua.gallaudet.edu


 



  



 
 




Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: request for info (Christian publishing)
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:47:43 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

posted for an rmc'er with distribution problems:

 Does anyone have or know of a source for personnel within CHRISTIAN publishing
 companies and record companies thatare responsible for receiving/listening to
 new song material? I know of at least ONE book that covers the secular market,
 but it is even incomplete in the fact that it does not list ALL companies. The
 reason I need this is so I can send a query letter to a specific person rather
 than addressing it to "whom it may concern". Any information would be 
 appreciated and will probably be posted later as part of a summary.

 Thank you for your time and consideration,

 Bruce Rothwell
 (send email replies to: barothwe@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.thrash
From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Desert Island Quiz #2
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:17:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>> Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
>> with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
>> that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
>> any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
>> in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.
 
 Here's my vote:

>>   Artist or Group			Album
 1.  Bob Dylan                          Blood on the Tracks
 2.  Keith Green                        The Ministry Years Volume 1
 3.  Daniel Amos                        Fearful Symmetry
 4.  Jethro Tull                        Stormwatch
 5.  Randy Stonehill                    Wonderama        
 6.  Maria McKee                        Maria McKee       
 7.  Seventy Sevens                     Ping Pong Over The Abyss
 8.  The Call                           Reconciled  
 9.  Yes                                Yessongs   
10.  King's X                           King's X       

>> Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a
>> bottle) that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or
>> groups of your choice; which artists would you want to catch up on?
>> 
>>			Artist
 1.  Daniel Amos
 2.  King's X 
 3.  Sam Phillips
 4.  Seventy Sevens(providing they released any NEW material)
 5.  Bruce Cockburn
 6.  Elvis Costello
 7.  T-Bone Burnett
 8.  Maria McKee
 9.  Randy Stonehill
10.  Tonio K.


>> has the  best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had
>> a choice, which  artist or group would you choose?
  
 1. Jethro Tull
 2. Bob Dylan
 3. Daniel Amos
 4. Randy Stonehill
 5. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
  
>> Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
>> groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
>> its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what
>> songs  would you want them to play?
 
 1. King's X - Anything and including their 1rst four albums. 
 2. Daniel Amos - Anything from any of their projects. 
 
>> Please post all replies to this quiz on the net and have fun
>> filling it out! :-)




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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Reply-To: peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke)
Organization: Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:38:06 GMT


In <1992Aug20.170543.2441@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, Bill Rawlins writes:
> 
> An example I gave of "fleshly" is the urge you get to mash down the accelerator
> in your car when the heavy metal music comes on.

So, what is sinful? the fact that you are listening to the music or the
fact that you are going faster than the speed limit?

What you are telling me is that you are allowing music to possess you
to do things that you would not normally do. You are trying to place
the blame on the music and not your own self control. If you know that
certain types of music will make you act that way then don't listen
to them *but* don't force it down someone elses throat.

> Spiritual music fills you with the love of God, or peace, or praise.

So do you *only* listen to spiritual music? I guess you can't sing
"Happy Birthday", etc....

> The bottom line is that this
> discernment is something that each believer must do - It is a spiritual
> discernment that can't be defined with rules. That is why there
> will always be discussions of what is appropriate music for Christians.

So true. So you are agreeing that there is no such thing as a Godly
style?

> - Because we can't define it.  We follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
>  (Romans 8:14, Galatians 5:16)

> -- 
>              ==========================================================
>             //  Bill Rawlins            <wpr@atlanta.dg.com>        //
>            //  Data General Corp       "My views are my own"       //
>           //  Norcross, GA                                        //
>          ==========================================================
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Peter Mielke                                              peter@doe.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto, Dictionary of Old English Project  utzoo!utdoe!peter
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Re: Steve Camp album name 
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:39:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.194408.15765@bnr.ca> candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario) writes:
>
>Alice,
>
>     The only one I remember is Fire and Ice which has the classic
>'Upon This Rock'....
>
That whole album is a classic.  I found it's a good measuring tool to tell
where people are spiritually based on their reaction to the songs.  I'm waiting
for the day when someone in my church sings a song off that album cuz somethang
gonna hit da fan!  The best is 'What Would the Devil Say.'  The killer line is
"Do they know you in Hell, like they know your Christ."

					*OUCH*

					Richard M. Bennema

--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: R.C.A. Desert Island Quiz #2
Keywords: my reply
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Aug19.131957.16087
Organization: AT&T

Seems to me that I responded to this last year too, but my choices are
different now.  Maybe I need to reserve a chain of islands.

In article <1992Aug18.180601.18833@athena.mit.edu> sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering) writes:
 
>Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
>with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
>that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
>any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
>in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.
>
>	Artist or Group		     Album

1.  Bruce Cockburn		     Humans		
2.  Miles Davis			     Kind of Blue
3.  The Beatles			     Revolver
4.  Howlin' Wolf	             The Chess Box (allright, so it's
                                     a 5 album set.  So I cheated.)
5.  J.S. Bach		             St. Matthew Passion (more than 100
                                     years old.  I cheated again.)
6.  Larry Norman                     Only Visiting This Planet
7.  John Coltrane                    A Love Supreme
8.  Otis Redding                     Ultimate Otis Redding
9.  Big Star                         #1 Record/Radio City
10. Tonio K.                         Amerika

>Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
>that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists of your choice;
>which artists would you want to catch up on?
>
>	Artist or Group
 
1.  Bruce Cockburn                   6.  Richard Thompson
2.  Sam Phillips                     7.  World Saxophone Quartet
3.  Bob Dylan                        8.  My Bloody Valentine
4.  Kronos Quartet                   9.  Van Morrison
5.  Sonic Youth                      10. John Zorn

>Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the
>best music from the career of one artist.
>If you had  a choice, which artists would you choose? 
 
1.  John Coltrane
2.  Miles Davis
3.  Bob Dylan
4.  Richard Thompson
5.  Bruce Cockburn

>Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
>groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
>its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear?
 
1.  Richard Thompson
2.  Tonio K.

>Scott Deering 
>sdeering@athena.mit.edu					<><

Andy Whitman
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:43:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.130020.17658@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug13.003927.21973@aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
|> 
|> [ stuff deleted ]
|> 
|> > Fundementalism is simply a way of interpreting
|> >scripture, taking it more literally than figuratively. It disturbs me
|> >to see Christians using the word fundementalist derisively...
|> 
|> Today the word "fundamentalist" has a much more narrow and restrictive
|> meaning in my mind.  Here are some of the issues and viewpoints that
|> characterize fundamentalism today:

These posts are very interesting discussion to me, a thread I'd be
interested in following. I am also currently participating in an
email-distribution, mailing-list, whatever, type of discussion on
"Legalism vs. Holiness" that is also very interesting.

No flames, Andy or Stacey, because I don't mind following those kinds
of threads here (as long as the subject doesn't change with every new
post... in case it does eventually make it into my Kill file...
anyway, I digress), but does anyone think we need a new newsgroup for
this type of tangent discussion?

I have tried reading and posting to soc.religion.christian... but for
reasons I can't easily pinpoint, I don't really get much out of that
group.  Its like my topics don't "fit".  Maybe there is too much
doctrine discussed there? All kinds of historical stuff that are way
too deep for me, I feel like I need a degree in theology to post
there. Maybe I have a distorted perception.

I do like the fact that we almost always work out disagreements here
in a loving way (eventually ;), and I think we're getting better and
better at it! What does everyone else think?  Why don't we take
tangent discussions to soc.religion.christian? Do we need a new
newsgroup?  Where would it belong? What should it be called,
rec.music.christian.tangent?  ;)

_______________________________________________________________________
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From: parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Benny Hinn, Again. (was Re: Totally bizarre Network)
Keywords: Yet again, Flame suit on...
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:20:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cygnus.parsons.713824318
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cygnus.cis.ksu.edu

kroth@david.wheaton.edu (Ken Roth) writes:

>Well, I am posting facts about Copeland.  They follow at the end of this post.

[Quotes of the 'little god' and 'Ransom' atonement theology deleted.]

Well, sounds like you have read CHARISMATIC CHOAS.  After skimming through
some of the sections and reading the same quotes you quoted here, I would
not want to be a charismatic nor associated with the charismatic movement.

However, the author IS BIAS and writes from a non-charismatic perspective.
My first, brief, and probably inaccurate view (I'll give him the benefit of
the doubt until I can read the whole book) of the author is that he has
picked out things which Copeland, Hagin and others have said or written and
used them to fit HIS perspective of what they teach, and are not an accurate
reflection of Word Faith teachings.  But that's what you get when you have
a bias author.

-- 
Scott Parish                |  The Truth is still the Truth      |  John 14:6
parsons@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu  |  even if you choose to ignore it.  |
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