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From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Anwar Mohammed calling Anisa names
Organization: LC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:58:22 GMT

In article <BtMH14.FMo.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <3636@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>Bosnia-Hercegovina) and morons like you insist on repeating complete 
			^^^^^^^^
Is this the statement of a man named "Anwar Mohammed" calling a moslem
lady moron?   You actually have guts to carry the name "Mohammed"?
I am sure Pr. Mohammed PBUH would be disgusted with such manners.  Why
don't you name yourself "Anwar Brijnaive" or rather "Anwar Bush".

It looks like liberation of Kuwait made our Kuwaiti change not only
there arabism, but rather there islamism.  I am wondering now about
Shaikh Al Qattan, is he named Manakhim Al Qattan?

So, when is Kuwait going to assign Sharon or Shamir as the ambasidor
of kuwait in some nation.   It looks like stolen money and stolen land
go along together.

jle
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: politics
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:29:12 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <1992Sep1.203536.11293@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>Do you deny the equality beteen the names Palestine and Philistine?  If you
>>do, just let me know so I can laugh a little more, I happened to
>>like jokes.
>
>For the eighth time, Mr. Elghani, what we deny is that the similarity has
>any accuracy. The people who made up the name Palestine didn't have a clue
>what they were talking about and cared less; hence they took the name from
>some people who were, in fact, wholly unrelated to the people they were
>naming. We've been through this before. Blame the Romans for screwing up
>the name if you like, but your attempts to give *credibility* to the Roman
>lie is ridiculous.

I personally careless for the name.  After all what's in a name?  Who
named Lebanon and for what reason, what counts is the people of Lebanon
are still in their home, and no theives kicked them out.  That is
not the case for the land known now adays as Palestine.  If you wish
to call it israel, then fine as long European theives return
the stolen homes of the natives, and as long as the known as
Palestinians in Lebanon, Syria, ...etc refugee camps return to their
mother land, and let the thief go back to Germany, Poland, ...etc.

jle

>
>>jle
>
>	-Nora
>-- 
>"Light one candle for those who are suffering pain we learned so long ago..."
>
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Mutlu's address needed
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:53:04 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein) writes:
: Another way to deal with Mutlu's postings would be to flood his
: original site by each of us' answering each of his postings.

 NO NO AND NO. MAIL BOMBING ANY SITE CAN HAVE FATAL RESULTS. If the sys 
admin of the mentionned site complains about being mail bombed YOU ARE 
ALOMST SURE TO LOSE YOUR ACCOUNT (I'm quite sure about this, you can ask 
in more appropriate newsgroups) and you may face more nasty problems.
(this is not a threat, i don't pay a damn about Mutlu's revisionism, i'm
just telling you that it's ILLEGAL).

: Unfortunately all my attempts to send him mail resulted with my
: message's being bounced.
  Actually, i've been following this Mutlu stuff for a moment, and i've read
  in s.c.greek that Mutlu's newsfeed (michigan.com) is temporirally suspended.
  If you read the path carefully, you'll notice that ALL THE POSTS ARE FORGED
  through ucbvax.berkeley.edu, that's why you can't email Mutlu (or should i 
  say MutluS).

: I believe an attempt to identify how
: we can send him messages or lobbying with our own system administrators
: to force Mutlu's site to recieve messages or (in case of non-compliance)
: to revoke that site's internet access, is worth spending the time.
  See above.

[...........]
: 
: I will be waiting for any suggestions from you up to September 3rd.

  I have a better suggestion : start a collect, $5 per irritated reader
  will be enough. It'l not be difficult to hire an "Armenain terrorist"
  who's more than willing to get rid of this net.virus.

: Meanwhile, does anybody know where Mutlu is posting to, if it is
: possible to send him our answers, or the status of his site ?
  I guess he is preparing a new offensive. Prepare your kill file folks,
  for "Mutlu II, Genkiz-khan counter-attack".
: 
: Rad

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Religion and Politics (was: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:36:20 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Adam Shostack writes:
(..)

>>		"Since when did the affairs of the state
>>		take precedence over the affairs of God?"

>1789, or 1791, technically, because that was when the last state
>ratified the bill of rights.


:-)  Ya harra harreeshak, anta ... :D

>Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

>What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      


Anisa

The .sig line is a terrible thing to waste.  :-)
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:39:07 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug28.154918.2856@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
=>In article <25274@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>>
=>>It's pretty clear that the Cuban people preferred Castro to Batista, the
=>>US puppet. The US boycott has nothing to do with morality, as is made
=>>evident by US support for despots throughout the globe.
=>
=>Seriously, Jeremy.  That's just out-and-out revisionism.  If this were
=>the case, where did 70% of South Florida's Cuban population come from?
=>I'll give you a clue:  most of them fled the Castro regime either in the
=>last months before he took over, or in the first year or so after he took
=>over.

They didn't want to live in a war-zone, or a country where life has been
made difficult by constant US aggression. The same pattern was seen in
Nicaragua.


-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
==================================================================
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: RABIN MEETING
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:41:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <Btp39J.Cy0.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.191306.2431880@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>>Would you rather see Kuwait run by a 100% true moslem government
with a 100% true moslem leader regardless if the leader was Kuwaiti,
Iraqi, or Afghani?  Or you'd rather have the Shabah family continue
to ride Kuwait.
>
> [...]  My personal opinion is that
>state and religious institutions should reman seperate to a degree.
>You've got a problem with that?

Why do you have a problem with a true Islamic state being run by
decent, fair, and respectable Muslim leaders?

Do you want to deny Muslims, what they consider to be their freedom?

While we might respect your opinion, why don't you respect ours?

Anisa

Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:19233 alt.flame:12369
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,alt.flame
Subject: Re: U.S. Plans to overfly & control southern Iraq, improper?
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:42:00 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test,alt.flame
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <BtC5vA.4Hz.2@cs.cmu.edu>
        anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:

]We have
]already stood by while the Iraqi government slaughtered hundreds of thousands
]of its own citizens through its own blockades of food and medicine from a 
]majority of its population and military action after it was defeated in the 
]Gulf War.   We cannot allow the slaughter to contintue.

Yeah, let's get it over with quickly.

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Here it is Anisa, for the third time in three days
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:38:44 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <Btv92v.BnK.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <3662@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>You don't get off that easily.  In the last three days I've posted
>these stats twice.  I've posted these states an uncountable number of
>times before responding to similiar charges.  Where have you been?

I'm not trying to get off anything.  I've just been busy.  Ok.  Lets
look at your stats:

>This comes from the Central Bank of Kuwait.  

Dated from the early 80's?  What about from '88-'92?

And does it give a breakdown of the specific countries or
a definition of the 'Third World'?


>          Official Foreign Assistance by Kuwait
>                 to Third World Countries
>
>
>                      1984     1985     1986     1987     1988
>                      ----     ----     ----     ----     ----
>Official Foreign
>Assistance            862      868      983      337      534
>(Million KD)

Did you say the KD was equal to the U.S. dollar?

>GDP                   6424.6   6151.0   6675.9   6406.1   6633.1
>(Million KD)

What is GDP?

>Aid as % of GDP       13.4%    14.1%    14.7%    5.3%     8.1%
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Aid as % of GDP (average for 5 years): 11.12%

Versus?

>!!! This does *not* include soft loans for project financing in
>third world countries by the Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic 
>Development (KFAED). !!!

Is there interest on those KFAED loans?  What are the conditions
on the loans?

>This is one of the highest rates of aid in the world (even among 
>industrialized nations).

Hmmm... Would it be too much to ask for in view of making a
comparative analysis in this regard?

Question 1:  What are these percentages in light of the daily
revenues from oil - billions of barrels sold daily?

Question 2:  Does these statistics include Israel?  Does the $10 B
loan to Israel include a very large percentage of Kuwaiti dinars?

No flames, please - just wondering.

Anisa

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From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Arabs/leftists? (was Re: Computer Science in Israel Ignored)
Organization: LC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:34:28 GMT

In article <Btt4A8.BIM.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.165318.4726@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>>In article <Btsu27.5Dv.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>
>># In article <1992Aug30.013713.19594@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>>
>
>I just felt that bunching Arabs/Iranians with the "usual leftist crowd" might
>mislead a few people.  I didn't think it was that big a deal, just wanted to
>clarify things.  You'd be suprised how many people have misconceptions about
>Arabs...like for example, that we have "harams".
>

I woinnder wwhy did your government and apparently you bunched all Palestinains
as supporters of Iraq brutality in Kuwait?

(I know I am in his kill fine (thank god), but I thougtght others shoud
see his hypocricy as well if they haven't already).

jle
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From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:20:20 GMT

In article <3680@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.223346.1689@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>>
>>Not to mention Jewish religious sites that were not significant to Muslims also
>>being destroyed.
>
>And these are / were ... ?
>
>Anisa

for starters the ancient Jewish Synoguges and Cemetary.  The headstones where
used for cobblestones.  

-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
From: rivk@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: What are you sucking on, Anwar?  (was Re: John Elghani sucking on his toes)
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:18:10 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <3651@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>What does this all have to do with Kuwaiti misuse of Muslim
>money and inhumanity to Palestinians after the war?  YOU need
>to get your own facts straight before posting such biased garbage.

I love it. Muslim money. It's Kuwaiti money, Anisa.... and all your
claims of Muslim money demonstrate is that the Muslims are not willing
to tolerate an even faintly non-religious government in the area (which
is what makes the attacks on Israel for being a Jewish theocracy so
laughable. You want a theocracy; you just want it of your own religion)
and that some few unscrupulous people will use their religion to try
and get their hands on other people's money. This wipes completely
any credibility you may have had claim that the Jews were using their
religion to try and get their hands on other people's land, you realize...
but you've never cared a whole lot about consistency; you can't grab as
much if you're consistent.

>Anisa

	-Nora


-- 
"Light one candle for those who are suffering pain we learned so long ago..."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: nkjle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: RABIN MEETING
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:14:31 GMT

In article <11189@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:
>
>in Western languages.  While Arabic and Islamic culture has some major
>problems, hypothesizing that Arabic people are sheep blindly following
>dictators is a rather reductionist and somwhat insulting.

This might be true if you consider Anwar Mohammed alikes a majority in the Arab
world, and unfortunately , they are.

>
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
>
>
>--
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
>
>The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: politics
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:43:24 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Aug21.073928.17880@cs.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>In article 22555@rs.com, horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen) writes:
>>The Philistines were *never* in Israel -- and their name *never* evolved into
>>"Palestinians". That's a shameful lie which is bandied about all too often.
>
>Perhaps you would like to enlighten us on where the Philistines lived?
>
>Brendan.

:-)  We can always count on ya!  :)

Shookran.

A.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: RABIN MEETING
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.142332.20788@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

<<Abunch of senseless attacks deleted>>

>Cheers to Kuwait. 

Now that Kuwait has the Israelis on their side, they've got no one
to fear.  Hopefully they can remember to fear their creator.
Well, both Kuwait and the Israelis have the following in common:

1- Slaughter the Palestinians.
2- Unfair trials to the Palestinians.
3- Iraq as #1 enemy.
4- Support to John Gurung against the fair government of Sudan.
5- Palestinian expulsion.

I look forward for the day that Israel will occupy Mecca.  Are we 
going to see Kuwaiti women welcoming them like they welcomed the
british in Kuwait?

I said it over and over.  The Iraqi war was initiated secretely by
the Israelis for the following reasons:

1-  To destroy any power the arabs have, or potentially the moslems.
    They succeeded so far.

2-  To split the arabs in 1/2.  They succeeded so far. Look at the 
    fights between Anwar and Anisa for example.

3-  To drain out the money out of the Gulf to eliminate potential
    strength the arabs may gain via money.
    They're succeeding so far;  Saudia is borrowing money.

Israel fabricates, the US obeys/applies, and the arabs and the americans die,
the israelis are saved.  Congratulations 
to Al Khalifa Mr. Anwar Mohxxxed la radiya allaho anho.

jle
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.180859.3070@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>>
>>Fuck you, asshole.
>
>I think you can find a more appropriate way to express yourself than
>this, can't you?  
>
>--

I doubt that he can. Howeverm what he could do is avoid reposting lots of
lines to which does not refer. And, also, he could use private mail to 
insult others.

AAP

 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Computer Science in Israel Ignored
Summary: The University of Arizona is an anti semitic institution
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:37:13 GMT

In article <28AUG199209590256@vms.huji.ac.il> rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:

# "Communications of the ACM" (CACM) is a monthly publication of the
# Association for Computing Machinery, a computer science professional
# society.  The August 1992 issue of CACM includes an article in the
# "International Perspectives" department by Sy Goodman and Jerrold Green
# entitled "Computing in the Middle East".  Goodman is a professor of MIS at
# University of Arizona, and Green is Director of the Center for Middle
# Eastern Studies at the U of A.

	[ rest deleted - dlm ]

	I did not think the slight of Israel was that bad here, especially
since it was merely ignored.  Not that this is something great, but it
is better than what might have happened.  However, there are some
things that do need to be commented on here.

	First of all, a while ago CACM had an article on Computer Science
proffesionals who were political prisoners.  One of these was a
"palestinian?" who was allegedly being persecuted by Israel.  Hank
Nussbacher (yes, THAT Hank Nussbacher) wrote them a letter to the
editor correcting what they wrote.

	Second of all, the University of Arizona denied me admission to
its graduate CS program because as an undergrad I was a "trouble
maker" and activist who among other things demonstrated against
University administration policies when they favored
Arabs/Iranians/the usual American leftist crowed against Jewish
students.  I have posted this on the net before, including my proof,
so I will only repond to inquiries for the proof via email.

	Also, the University of Arizona used to have a Near East Study
Center (it may still exist) that was run by Ludwig Adamic.  At that
time they took US government (Department of Education) funds and
produced pro PLO "Educational" materials for distribution to public
schools.  Eventually they were caught.
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: politics
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:54:18 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <1992Aug31.215655.13594@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.191405.2446208@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>>So, the name Philistine in Arabic, Hebrew, Persian, ...etc that points
>>to the people of Palestine , is just a cooincidence , right?
>>
>>Don't be fooled with by the letters P and Ph when English translation 
>>takes place .
>
>Just like Elghani!  As has been mentioned umpteen times on this net, the
>name "Palestine" for the land was a Roman invention.  Once again, we see
>what should be very obvious:  Elghani refuses to take seriously anything
>which attacks his hopelessly narrow view of the world.  Ho hum.

Obviously, the narrow-view-of-the-world is in the ERIC PERLMAN's eyes.

Do you deny the equality beteen the names Palestine and Philistine?  If you
do, just let me know so I can laugh a little more, I happened to
like jokes.

jle
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:49:18 GMT

In article <25274@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.164310.28884@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>=>In article <25238@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>=>>In article <1992Aug26.173825.23137@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>=>>=>In article <1992Aug26.125404.7896@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>=>>=>>They showed a marked preference for the Castro regime over the US imposed
>=>>=>>Batista regime which turned Cuba into a whorehouse for rich american playboys.
>=>>=>>
>=>>=>>The US had her chance to bring democracy to Cuba after she invaded. Instead Cuba
>=>>=>>was run as a colony until Castro.
>=>>=>
>=>>=>While the Batista regime was certainly not a nice one, anyone who would
>=>>=>call the Castro regime anything approaching democracy needs their head
>=>>=>examined.
>=>>
>=>>No-one said that tha Castro regime was a democracy, only that the Cubans
>=>>preferred it to being run by a thug like Batista.
>=>
>=>Jeremy, please go back and read Phill's original statement, which I
>=>commented on a few days ago.  He clearly chalked up the US boycott of
>=>Cuba to the US administration disagreeing that "the Cuban people had
>=>more right to choose their leaders than the US."  That's historical
>=>revisionism at its worst, and is right in line with how I interpreted
>=>what Phill said.  My original remark was "the Cuban people *Chose*
>=>Castro?  What planet are you from?", and I stand by it.
>
>It's pretty clear that the Cuban people preferred Castro to Batista, the
>US puppet. The US boycott has nothing to do with morality, as is made
>evident by US support for despots throughout the globe.

(Heavy Sarcasm on)

Riiiight.  And I've got some beachfront property in Monte Carlo to sell
you.  Real cheap.  Includes citizenship priviledges too.  

(Heavy sarcasm off)

Seriously, Jeremy.  That's just out-and-out revisionism.  If this were
the case, where did 70% of South Florida's Cuban population come from?
I'll give you a clue:  most of them fled the Castro regime either in the
last months before he took over, or in the first year or so after he took
over.
-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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