From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: The Claytoon on the Couch (was Re: Stereotyping)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 19:20:58 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <8238.20792@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
    >In article <vydnjdl.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil
    >Ronzone) writes:
    >>Eh? Did you read what I posted? "If the system continually
    >>presents you with a choice of two evils, the only morally
    >>legitimate option is to not make choice."= coward and cop out
    >>artist.
    >>
    >Yes Ronzone...I read it! Here's a question for you IF you can
    >handle it....who else is on as a presidential candidate???
    >Can you answer Ronzone??? If you can't...then you should give
    >up your status as an adult and go back home to mommy!

You seem to have a great deal of trouble with rational discussion.

If I refuse to choose between Stalin or Hitler then I am a "coward and cop out
artist"? I think that is a trite, juvenile, no thought phrase.

And just what exactly does "who else is on as a presidential candidate"
mean?

Does is mean that there are only two choice and I should vote for them?

Maybe three or four or infinite (write-in's)?

Or what?

It is troubling to see your emotional vehemence, coupled with so little
rational discussion.

Once again, it is immoral to coercively vote, whether it is just you
and your buddy, or you and 20,000,000 of your countrymen.

You have ignored this question repeatedly (why is it not ok for
2 people to cerocively vote to steal, but ok for 20,000,000 to do so).

I understand that it is of course, because you can not answer it.

    >>The system continually presents us with the choice between
    >>two evils.
    >Wrong again Ronzone...Populists, Libertarians, Green Party,
    >Independent...etc ......gooly gee Phil...I just answered the
    >above question...I guess we'll never know now if you still
    >qualify to be a rational and responsible adult in today's
    >society!

Voting is immoral. Even if it is for a good end. The right thing
must be done in the right manner. Even guilty horse thieves caught
red handed have the right to a trial.

And all of us have the right to our lioves and property.

You may feel OK about conspiring with millions of your fellow thieves
to steal, but I don't.

Do you understand terms like morality and living a moral life?

    >>Now, if tomorrow we could vote on PERMANENTLY removing
    >>political coercion, I might consider voting. But, voting as
    >>we have it today (political voting), is an inherently
    >>coercive act.
    >Of course....I agree that we should...and I'll spell it out
    >for you since you obviously dont have a clue....eliminate the
    >electorate college. But as we still have this...the only way
    >to change the system is to work within the system...or are
    >you still in the late 60s throwing around flowers for powers
    >instead of responsibly choosing those who seem to want to
    >represent your interests and constantly monitoring their
    >work?

Tell me something, how many systems have been changed (in a major way) by
working within the system versus how many have been changed by external
factors (revolutions and such).

Major changes in America, England, Germany, Italy, China, Japan, India
were not accomplished by working within the system. It does go back to
the dawn of recorded history.

Carthage Delenda Est.

    >>But then again, very few people really think about the
    >>morality of their actions.
    >Oh my...LISTEN UP GOD!!! Here we have one of those "greater
    >than thou" attitudes...get a clue....get a life...get lost!

Considering the concetration camps of Germany, or our own internment
camps (not the same, but a major violation of rights), or the S/C camps
of today, I think that these and other examples show that there is a dearth
of people considering the morality of actions.

I know of very few counterexamples.

Rather than continuing with your thoughtless diatribe, why don't you
post something to counter what I've posted.

If I'm so wrong, it should be easy, right?

Then again, if I'm right, why, all you can do is rant and rave.


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"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

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