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From: re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:07:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MefPvPy00WB4811Esx
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Lech writes:

In article <oef_Oti00WB60qTVx3@andrew.cmu.edu> re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen
Edelstein) writes:
>>Andrzej writes:
>> [...]

>>I'm not interested into getting here into a discussion about that subject.
>>If you want to learn more about it, do some research.  If you want to hear
>>Jewish and Arab opinions about it, subscribe to talk.politics.mideast.
>>The camps you are talking about are either in Lebanon or have been created
>>by Arabs in the areas occupied formerly by Jordan. Israelis created no
>>camps.  More than that, many a Polish village looks worse than the camps
>>Palestinians are living in.  Palestinians living in Israel have a standard of
>>living not only higher than that of most Arabs around the world, but also
>>higher than that of many Poles.

> and higher than that of many Americans. That reminds me of a typical

>argument used by the government in Beijing that they brought
>civilization to Tibet. A golden cage is a cage.
>BUT: I don't want to get involved in a debate regarding
>the Arab-Israeli relations. We were discussing the Polish-Jewish
>relations here and let's keep that way.


I say:
Andrezj's change of subject is followed by Lech's.
Andrezj jumped to commenting about Palestinians' conditions in camps,
Lech jumps to commenting about the issue of Palestinian determination.
There is an answer for this too, but I'm afraid that if I'll start answering
to that, the subject will be changed again (it's easy to construct analogies
and situations that will create another debate isssue).
Lech, tell me when you get serious about what you want to be discussed.

Rad
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: To Mariusz
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:25:59 GMT

green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:

>I think its silly. However, I happened to be following this same thread on
>scj and found the following post (quoted without permission):
...
>%%30 wouldn't mind if they left the country etc..

This means NOTHING. If a person on the street were asked
    "Would you mind if person Y left the country?", or
    "Would you mind if person Y, who is polish, left the country?", or
    "Would you mind if person Y, who is jewish, left the country?",
I bet they would say "No." Why should anyone mind if someone else (whom
they don't know) leaves the country?? It is another matter if people
were to be expelled forcibly from the country simply for being jewish.
But this wasn't the question asked, according to the quote above.


MB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:45:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster

In article <1992Sep11.072515.9178@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.121843.20065@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>There are organizations that sponsor and subsidize (neo)Nazis and other
>>misguided young people to the places I mentioned and to others. Church
>>and other religious groups have trips to Israel that are affordable.
>>If you were really interested, you'd find a way of learning.  I

> Well done, Sam. Indirect attempt to call me a Nazi or 
>a misguided young person. 

This accusation is as crude as it is baseless.  Unless, of course, the
shoe fits.

Remainder of diatribe deleted.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: Polish complicity - Jewish complicity 
Keywords: orzel - reszka
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.060031.19658@mel.dit.csiro.au> marek@mel.dit.csiro.au 
(Marek T. Michalewicz) writes:

>Yet another example is the actions of American Jews during the WWII.
>Apparently there was only *ONE* demonstration (N.Y.C.?) 
>against extermination of Jews of Eastern Europe. 
>Apparently American Jews were afraid to stick their neck out and being 
>accused of dragging US into the War.
>There were close to 3 million Jews in the US during the war.
>What did they do to protect or help their brethren.
>Perhaps some of them did a lot and some of them did as much as that simple 
>peasant shown in "Shoah" (*nothing*). 

Well said (if true). But I already hear our s.c.j friends answering back 
that those Jews in the USA during WWII were unaware of the situation 
because of the Polish anti-semites who supported Germans in keeping 
the whole issue secret. Or something alike.

Andrzej Zaleski

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: The camps were GERMAN camps, not Polish
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:06:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.031041.26319@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee) writes:
>#
>#I found particularly disturbing fact that it seems Israeli young generation 
>#looks like to have detached notion of Germans from "Nazi", that is their 
>#image is 'bad Nazi and friendly Germans`. On the other hand, they think about 
>#'Polish Nazi` camps. My bet is that this is because of the screening of 
>#schoolbooks to avoid 'bad` ethnic stereotyping towards Germans, which 
>#indeed offered generous compensations and help to Israel.
>
>Where do you get this information from?? I grew up and was educated in
>Israel  (from first grade through Ph.D) and have seen nothing to support 
>your conjecture! History is taught as it happened, and the responsibility
>is placed squarely where it should be: on German Nazis. 
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't be funny Danny. The rest of Germans (probably 1%) were looking
with the very admiration to what those "German Nazis" (99%) were doing
to your fellow countrymen. They were Nazis, they are Nazis (have a look
at what is going on in GDR) and they will remain Nazis. If you want to
make sure about it, have your vacations there. Sorry.

Andrzej Zaleski 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Distribution: bl
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:23:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.073546.14881@dxcern.cern.ch> michal@vsnmc2.cern.ch
(Michal Szleper) writes:

>Mark Steinberger writes:

>>Do you claim that the Church did not promulgate this theory in Poland
>>or that Poles overwhelmingly rejected it?

>I don't know what the church promulgated, but as far as I have lived
>most of my life in Poland, I've never met anyone who accepts that
>theory.

In what cave in Poland did you grow up?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Xref: sparky soc.culture.polish:2428 soc.culture.jewish:15510
From: re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:38:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EeezMR200WB6Aee3A8
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Lech writes:
 However, claims of a Polish-German collaboration for the extermination
of Jews are ridiculous and a serious offence. Let us know the names
of the Polish war criminals and organizations participating in
the genocide if you make that claim. Actions of certain
individuals who chose to cooperate with Nazi Germans by e.g. telling
them were to find hiding Jews are crimes, no less. But the extent
of such collaboration was marginal.

I say:
Watch the movie Shoah (you should be able to find it at a nearby video
store).  Watch and listen to the descriptions Poles themselves gives
about what they did when given the chance to collaborate with the
Nazis.  More than that, listen to the terms they use when they talk
about their Jewish neighbours, their own Polish co-citizens.  See
what greed and years of antisemitism induced by the Catholic Church
created out of them.  If afterwards you still believe that they
behaved humanely (I'm not talking about when such attitude would have
endangered their own life, I'm talking about those cases when they
could do it and they themselves had the option to decide), please say
so.

Rad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: minta@triton (Marek Minta)
Subject: Let's End It!
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, CIS-AA - Ann Arbor MI, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:20:32 GMT


It is a painful history.
It is deep in their hearts.
It offends us too - the anger and the blame.

We cannot talk about it. Talk about it without
hurling insults, spewing hatred. We bring all the worst
stereotypes. We drag family pain out, just to prove 
our point. We defend ourselves by excusing the pain
inflicted. Quarrel some statistics. Point fingers at 
each other. 

Let those that suffered be grieved and prayed for.
Let those that hate - heal!

What will be accomplished by this madness of blame,
accusations, defense, hatred, animosity, etc?

LET'S END THIS DISCUSSION OF NAZI CAMPS, OF POLISH
HATRED TOWARD JEWS!

But not out of convenience. But of compassion. Let
those, who want to continue, continue. If we (Polish)
are pure in sharing with Jewish (as we claim), we can
be strong and sustain even the most vehement accusation.
But at the same time, we can feel for these that lost
their dear ones to that madness. If we can extend 
them this love and compassion, their pain will not 
burn us. But, maybe - just maybe, this strenght of
our hearts may help them heal.

So, let's end this bickering about responsibility,
and be (liberal, sharing, loving, helpful, compassionate,
understanding, tolerant) as we claim to be.

This will be the strength that in the long run will 
defend and take care of itself.

Marek Minta


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer Mechthild FNT)
Subject: Re: The camps were GERMAN camps, not Polish
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.170659.1822@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, 
azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski) writes:
|> (...) The rest of Germans (probably 1%) were looking
|> with the very admiration to what those "German Nazis" (99%) were doing
|> to your fellow countrymen. They were Nazis, they are Nazis (have a look
|> at what is going on in GDR) and they will remain Nazis. If you want to
|> make sure about it, have your vacations there. Sorry.
|> 
|> Andrzej Zaleski 

Uwazaj, chlopczyku, Zly Niemiec slyszy.

If you want to get a less biased view,
have a look at the ongoing discussion in soc.culture.german
about the riots in Rostock (in German, unfortunately).
Everybody there feels very much shocked by what's going on.
Or post your vacation experiences there.
If you cut out the generalizations,
nobody will even flame you.

Mechthild Stoer

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Polish complicity - Jewish complicity 
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:03:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.165003.9799@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:

>Now, as for bombing the camp, this might also have caused great loss of
>life to the prisoners there at the time.  

If the allies really knew what was going on at the camp, then it would
be assumed that any inmates were "already dead".  This being the case,
it would be appropriate to bomb the camp because:

   1) Any prisoners who would be killed in a bombing raid would be
      killed in the gas chambers anyway, any survivors would therefor be
      a net gain in human life saved.

   2) Destroying the extermination facilities would save the lives of
      people who had not yet arrived at the camp, but who would later
      arrive and loose their lives there.

In war, it is always expected that some lives (military personel,
civilians, etc) will be lost.  Bombing the camps would have slowed if
not stopped the rate of extermination of Jews, Poles, POWs, etc.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: Jack Tuszynski w Polsce
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:29:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.110630.20252@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski) writes:

>U jednej rodziny ktorej odwiedzalem, to zarzartowalem o proszku OMO.  Teraz
>co rusz w telewizji reklamy proszku do prania.  OMO to jest nowy proszek.
>Babka mowi "OMO, dziekuje ci" bez przewy na ekranie teraz.  To ja im mowie
>ze widzialem taka reklame, babka pobita, bez zeba jednego, krew jej leci
>z buzi, i czolo ma podbite, i na telewizji mowi "ZOMO dziekuje ci".  

No nie, to ten tekst o ZOMO, to Ci sie Jack naprawde udal. Najlepiej, to 
zeby ta "reklame" o ZOMO ktos puscil kilka razy w TVP. Ludzie by pospadali 
z krzesel ze smiechu :-) Rzeczywiscie, co wlaczysz telewizor to:
"dziekuje ci OMO" i "dziekuje ci OMO".

Andrzej Zaleski
From: lbs@madeira.phys.ufl.edu (Lech Borkowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Sprawy gospodarcze
Summary: Kurde, co jest?
Keywords: Pfuj, precz z jankesami
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:29:45 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department - CMT Group


 Ostatnio czytajac s.c.p bylem troche zdziwiony brakiem
wiadomosci/opinii ze strony Jacka Tuszynskiego. A tu masz -
jest chlop z powrotem. I nie tylko jest ale grzmi na tych
co tam w Polsce pojecia o niczym nie maja.
 Wiekszy pozytek bylby z tego, gdyby Jack zastanowil sie 
np. nad trudnosciami jakie Polska (i inne kraje bylej komuny)
maja w handlu z krajami Europejskiej Wspolnoty Gospodarczej
z powodu istnienia kwot na rozne grupy towarow.

 Politycy zachodnioeuropejscy i Jack Tuszynski lubia pouczac 
co i jak nalezy robic. Ale talk is cheap. We need action.
Ktos chce pomoc w przezwyciezanie kryzysu w Europie Srodkowej?
Prosze bardzo, otworzcie rynki na towary stamtad.

 Nie tak dawno ukazal sie artykul w Wall Street Journal 
o tym, jak rozne lobby w EWG zwalczaly dostawy polskich towarow
na rynek zachodnioeuropejski. Tamte przyklady odnosily sie
do interwencji w Brukseli roznych grup ktore czuly sie
zagrozone konkurencja dostaw z Polski.

 Przypomne tu moze jeszcze sprawe pomocy dla Polski pare
lat temu, gdy Stany mialy udzielic pomocy, ale pod warunkiem,
ze towary dostarczone w ramach pomocy beda dostarczone
amerykanskimi statkami, co automatycznie czynilo owa
pomoc bardzo droga, tzn. 2/3 srodkow przeznaczonych na pomoc
byloby pochlonietych przez koszta amerykanskiego transportu.

 Ciekawa jest rowniez sytuacja na rynku broni. Amerykanie
i Europa zachodnia, ale zwlaszcza Stany, naciskaly na kraje
bylej komuny, aby zaprzestaly eksportu broni do roznych
krajow. Byl duzy kontrakt na dostawe czolgow do Syrii.
Polacy zrezygnowali, o ile dobrze pamietam, a na ich miejsce
weszli Czechoslowacy (wtedy byli jeszcze Czechoslowakami,
nie Czechami i Slowakami). Dziwie sie, ze w trudnej sytuacji
gospodarczej rzad polski rezygnuje z eksportu broni 
konwencjonalnej. Dostawcow broni konwencjonalnej jest dosc
na swiecie i jesli ktos rezygnuje to od razu sa nastepni
na to miejsce. Ostatnio Niemcy wydaly Stanom dyrektora
zakladow Lucznik w Radomiu, gdzie produkuja m.in. jakies
karabiny. Te karabiny mialy byc sprzedane gdzie do trzeciego
swiata, a tu our Big Brother, Amerykancy mowia dawajcie
nam dyrektora, my z nim zrobimy porzadek. Bardzo mi sie to
nie podoba. 
 
 Karabiny to nie bron jadrowa. Amerykanie robia interesy 
na broni jawne i tajne, i teraz chca brac za morde mniejsze
kraje, jak Polska, gdy ktos chce sprzedawac karabiny. Pfuj.

 Tu w Stanach bron mozna kupic wszedzie i morduja sie
ludzie jak cholera. Wiec jakim prawem probuja nam zabraniac
sprzedawac glupie karabiny?

 Zdrowie,

 Lech Borkowski 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:55:05 CDT


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In article <1992Sep15.192829.23572@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>
>Not quite.  The subject includes Polish revisionism as well as
>antisemitism before and after World War II.
>
>
>Ahhhh.  Thos rich, powerful Jews.
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

Sam, wouldn't be practical to include into group of revisionists
those, who write about Polish death camps ? Not to mention all
net apologetists, at least bunch of them from each discussion
group.

A. Mazur

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha)
Subject: Re: (Re: Polish complicity - Jewish complicity) AND Glemp's tolerance
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:16:36 GMT

I do not think that we are talking about the same. Religion does not exist
in isolation -- it may have tremendous influence on politics, society,
also inspire international conflicts etc. Don't you think that understanding
and tolerance toward nonmembers and other religions is crucial ? 
 
> you wanted Catholic church to support abortions

No, I did not say that. I do not intend to disscuss this topic here, however. 

>is just the killing. By the way, I would be interested how Jewish
>religion defines beginning of human life.

Sorry, I don't know. Maybe somebody else.

>>Are you saying that CODE OF ETHICS of a religion does not apply
>>when dealing with people, organizations, or religions other than yours?
>>It is sad ...
>No, what I am saying is that when religion defines requirements
>for followers it does not mean that that religion is not tolerant
>
>A. Mazur

Fine. The problem is that when you talk what is right or wrong for other people
you should keep in mind that they may not share your beliefs or be willing to
accept your voluntary restrictions.   

JN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: dsp@halcyon.com (Don Smith)
Subject: any luck mailing user@plearn ?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:37:42 GMT

 Has anyone had any luck mailing using the following forms:

 user@plearn     user%plearn.bitnet.searn.se

 If I'm being a Unix Bozo again, just drop me a line!  -Don

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: (Re: Polish complicity - Jewish complicity) AND Glemp's tolerance
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:11:43 CDT


In article <1992Sep12.192528.127416@ua1ix.ua.edu> lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha) writes:
>>aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>>#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>#RWhat about violently intolerant ? Of course Weiss cannot be compared
>>#with Glemp - there is no even shred of evidence that Glemp is
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>#intolerant. 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^
>>I believe your opinion is not shared by other Polish readers of
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>this newsgroup.
>>
>>-Danny Keren.
>>
>>
>Of course, this opinion cannot be shared by anybody who has read/heard
>speaches of cardinal Glemp concerning even other than Polish/Jewish issues.
>
>His attitude toward people infected with AIDS, homosexuals, abortion,
>or even contraception demonstrates that Glemp is far from being tolerate.
>
>Jarek Nieplocha 

So you would like him to support abortions ? Maybe he should be even
more liberal, more liberal than anybody in the world, that would
be perfect, with one exception - it would not be religion.
By the way, did you read single sentences from Cardinal Glemp's
sermons or homilies, other opinions about those sermons, or did you
read entire sermons ? You does not seem to see any difference
between religion codes of ethics and tolerance for other religions.

A. Mazur
From: wlodek@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de (Wlodzimierz Kasprzak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Feminism & Other Issues
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:50:45 GMT
Organization: FORWISS, Uni Erlangen, Germany

przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz) writes:
>
>Any news on the Jaroszewicz killing? 
>I suppose that this is a hot topic of discussions in Poland right now.
>Does anybody care to comment?
>
>I can, sort of, understand a murder.  But torture the guy?
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To stwierdzenie jest chyba pomylka przy pracy ?

Bylem w tych dniach w W-wie. Wydarzenie jest na pewno sensacyjne, ale
informacji w mediach malo. Nie jest to obecnie pierwszym tematem w dyskusjach.
Na podstawie dotychczasowych danych zaryzykuje rabunkowy charakter mordu.
Torturowano denata zapewne po to, aby wydostac szyfr do sejfu, z ktorego
tez wszystko zniknelo (nie podano co bylo w nim).
Informacja jednej gazety, ze byly premier mial zamiar opublikowac dokumenty,
zostala nastepnego dnia zdementowana.

wk
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:20:48 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

In article <7229@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> roman@sparc17.hri.com (Roman
Budzianowski) writes:

I had written (in an article at least one response away from Mr.
Budzianowski's respnse):

>> >this statement you again attempt to call Poland the real victim, a typical
>> >revisionistic tactic.  Either that or you have so little respect for
>> >Poland that you are saying we shouldn't expect it to measure up to
>> >countries like Norway or Bulgaria for whatever litany of reasons.

>In what way Poland should measure up to Norway or Bulgaria. Bulgaria
>took part in the WWII on the side of Germany. Norway collaborated with
>Germany. Maybe if not for countries like Bulgaria and Norway, Hitler
>wouldn't have the opportunity for the "final solution" ?

Whoa!  You don't like when all of Poland is painted as antisemitic (not
all Poles, were, you know) so it is equally inappropriate to call all
of Norway collaborationist.  In fact, there is a term coined for the
collaborators in Norway.  It is "Quisling."  I'd assume something
similar for Bulgaria before painting them as allied with Germany if for
no other reason than the fact that had they been completely allied they
would have had even less reason to save all their "untermenschen."
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton