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From: devin@colorado.edu (No one in particular)
Subject: Corsets (was Re: Bra Fillers!)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:13:53 GMT

an3344@anon.penet.fi wrote:
: >	Thanks for the tip! Do prothesis' behave the same way?
: Yes! and then some. Balloons tend to get back to their "normal" ovid shape,
: while prosthesis (hmm, prothesi) have a rather permenent shape (as long as you
                         ^^^^^^^^  prostheses, I believe.
: take care of them and keep the cats away <G>). 
: The ones that I have are formed for bilateral applications and fill the cup 
: fully and consistently. Also, their "nude" color allow for sheer bras and 
: *very* daring fashions. 

Yes, definately.  I like mine.  I think they were worth it.  (Though mine are
assymetrical, one left and one right.)

: Any corset fans out there?

Yes!  Very much so!  Except I really don't have the money to get a real
corset.  Some day...

			-Deb

--
Deborah Parks (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  deb@boulder.colorado.edu   ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4144@anon.penet.fi (Mary G.)
Subject: body shapers and tap pants?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:43:13 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

Up to now , I've been a lurker.  I am also a relitivly inexperienced closet
CDer.  I'vee see some garments mentioned that sound interesting, but I don't
know exactly what they are.  Can you girls please help me?

What's a bodyshaper?

What are tap pants?

Love, Mary G.
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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Support, and anonymity
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:47:30 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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In article <1993Jan9.120335.4527@fuug.fi> an4199@anon.penet.fi (Gwen Scott) writes:
>I've been CD'ing for about 22 years now, and I've been 
>out of the wardrobe for about 3 years.  I have a wonderfully
>supportive wife who helps me in every way. [...]
>friends is a young TS.  Her family has all but disowned her
>for going full-time.  She had no place for Christmas, so my
>wife and I invited her to spend it with us.  Then MY parents,
>who know about my proclivities and are fully supportive,
>invited her over with us for Christmas dinner.

Wow, now THAT's a heartwarming story.  Tell your wife and parents
they're neat people.  (I bet you already have, of course!)
It's a bummer for many people that it's often hardest to share
"dark" secrets with their family; friends are often more accepting
and easier to talk with.


>states.  I've met dozens of TVs, and at least 20 TS's, and
>most of them are still afraid to tell anyone their names.  

No offense, but I'm struck by the irony of this in an anonymous post!
:-)
This newsgroup has the highest proportion of anonymous posts I've
ever seen.  Is this topic more volatile than alt.sex.bondage, for
instance?  It's curious that there's apparently more social stigma
to crossdressing than consensual flogging, for example.  (Not
that either should have a stigma, of course...)  I'm not criticising,
but I am curious: folks who do public crossdressing, what
motivates you to post anonymously?  I can understand people who
are not "out", even to friends or lovers, but if you're already
"out", why use an anonymous service?  The more "real" people who
visibly discuss these issues, the sooner the political change of
which Gwen wrote so eloquently may come about, right?

Russ
From: wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: The Mother of Invention, Bra Stuffing.
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:41:30 GMT
Organization: Wendy's world
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Joni Z (an3501@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
: Hi, Girls!
: 

Hi to you, too...:-)

: 
: Otherwise:  Bra Talk. . . 
: 
:   I got inventive when I found out how much some of the fake breasts were.  
: I took a Nerf (foam) Football and sliced the ends off (A good bread knife
: works well) I have a pair of C sized end pieces.  I took an Exacto hobby
: knife and made a hole in the end large enough to glue in a little hearing
: protector pad.  (Little faom pads that ya squish down and then stick in your 
: ear canal [They already look like nipples so I figured 'Why not?"])
: 
: I then used  GE almond colored Silicon seal to smoot the the surface texture 
: and lines of the Nerf football ends.   It all came out looking real enough
: and altho the foam pads don't have the exact feel and weight, they work well
: for a little time and $15 invested in materials.    Next step is to make a
: mold and build a latex type of breast.   This is so much fun!  ;-)
: 
Here's a better one. Magicians use a powder called "super Gel". It's the 
stuff they use when they fill a class with milk and throw it toward you
and nothing comes out of the glass!! Fill two balloons with about a teaspoon
each of the stuff, fill them with water to the size you want, tie the opening
shut, and presto, instant weighted breast forms. The have a breast like
consistancy, giggle, and feel. I got my powder from:

          Old Town Magic shop
          3501 W. Vine Street, suite 115
          Kissimmee, FL  32741

Kissimmee is where Disney World is located. Hopefully after I get on
Hormones, I won't need to use these.....:-)

Let me know what you think.

Wendy
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Subject: Re: Shopping 
Summary: Clarification
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:14:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.190544.7154@udel.edu> I wrote:
>In the Washington, DC area there are a few stores in which I've felt
>uncomfortable asking to try on clothes.  In most, however, it has not
>been a problem.  In one I asked to try something on and was refused
>for logistical reasons -- they had one dressing room divided by curtains
>and did not feel that the curtains would provide adequate privacy for
>the other customers if I were allowed in.

I should clarify that:

With the exception of the one store mentioned above, each time I've 
felt comfortable enough to ask to try something on, the salespeople
have had no problem with my doing so and are usually quite friendly.
I haven't been thrown out of a store yet -- after all, if I try 
something on, I might decide I like it enough to buy it, and my
money is as green as anyone else's.

Of course at some stores they're friendlier than at others.  The 
Limited store near me has certainly earned praise.


-- 
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.          The Human Vibrator              glenn@digex.com
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

There is now a TV/TS newsgroup, alt.transgendered.  (I'd hoped for a soc.*
group, but oh well...)  

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an3501@anon.penet.fi (Joni Z )
Subject: Paranoia and passing
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:37:32 GMT

Hi, again sisters,

  In responce to the question as to why one would want to be anonymous on this
notes string. . . Well I live in a state where there is a strong 'anti homo-
sexual trend'; be that as it may, I KNOW that the few M->F TS folks that have
been in my company are ridiculed and sneared at for having 'different ways'.

  I know that if it were known around here (where I work) that I had 'different
ways' then I really do fear for my safty as well as that of my family.  

  I don't need the harassment or problems that comes with the attached
stigma of being different.  I don't mind sharing my e-mail address with the 
a.t crowd but I do not want my co-workers knowing 'for sure' that I have ways
of doing things that they might see fit to compensate for in other ways.

. . . . . . . .

  Speaking of PASSING.  I had just driven back from the ski area and was stand-
ing line at the cafeteria, not even trying to look cute.  The serving lady
asked me "What would you like mamm?"   It was a compliment in a rather round
about way.  Perhaps I could pass. . .  who knows?

Later 				Joni Z
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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hi again...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:02:17 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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In article <1993Jan6.172315.9864@fuug.fi> an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon) writes:
>	spoke with my father and told him that the girl clothes made me feel
>	like I was "touching" a woman, therefore helping me to masturbate - it
>	made me "male" again after he heard this, and all was dropped and never
>	mentioned again.

So he was simply paranoid you were gay, and once that was settled it
didn't matter?  Kind of sadly amusing... but nice that you didn't get
more hassles over it.

>	I guess I just rambled, but has anyone around my age (34) gone to a
>	psy(ch(either one) and discussed CDing with any conclusions? Has it

I've not, but I've found counseling not to be of much use in other areas.
But it seems to be a very variable thing.  Perhaps I had lousy counselors,
or maybe some people take to it better than others.  Friends have sworn
counseling helped them with a variety of topics, and I believe them.

>	but then I'd like to be a gay female
>	most of all, but I don't have any motivation to change. I'd be one
>	really sad looking female! (or not, who knows?) The funny thing to me
>	is that I'm REALLY SERIOUSLY comfortable being me the way I am.

Ah, sounds like me sometimes!  A lot of mainstream people think it sounds
nonsensical for a male attracted to women to sometimes be attracted to
the idea of being a lesbian, but it's apparently a fairly common
fantasy/wish/whatever.

Anyway, glad to hear you're REALLY SERIOUSLY happy with yourself as you
are!  Sometimes it gets depressing seeing how many very unhappy
transgendered folks are out there...

Happy New Year,
Russ
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4696@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Shopping 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:33:58 GMT

Anyone know of any specialty shops in the San Francisco, San Jose, or
the SF South Bay area?  I've heard California is more open about this
kind of thing. I will be traveling there soon.  It might be
fun to do some shopping there!

I've heard that there is such a shop in Southern California.
I believe that they do mail order as: EHB,or Especially for Me, at
P.O. Box 1489, Ontario, CA 91762. It appears that their store is at
113 N. First Ave, Upland, CA 91786. I'm told that because the are
addressing the TG community their price for forms are less than
through Penny's etc. which count on insurance $ to cover a high price.

I've also heard of Michael Salem's Boutine (PO Box 1781 FDR Station,
NY, NY 10150) which is also supposed to have sales on them). Don't
know if they have a store you can go to in NY.

Has any reader had any experiences dealing with either of these two
establishments? Are they reputable? Is their merchandize any good?
over priced?

Please post replies. This is a borrowed account. It is safe to reply
if you must, but I'd prefer not to overburden my friend's mail box.
I'll bet there are other readers who feel the same way and who hope
that Tina's guide and other information gets posted, and not just
emailed. 



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From: an827@anon.penet.fi
Subject: At last, its here!!!!!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:13:35 GMT

I am most delighted to say that my battle to recieve alt.transgendered
here in the U.K. at the University I go to appears now to be finally won!

(At least this test posting ought to be able to prove whether this is actually
 the case.....)

Thanks to all who have assisted with information and support to get it here...
... especially D*ve S**w (who knows very well of whom I'm talking about!)

Love 'n' Special Hugs This Time,
        Julie  XXXXX

MAY I CHRISTAN THIS NEWSGROUP FULLY HERE AT LAST, AND MAY IT BE A GOOD
NEWSGROUP TO BE RECIEVING!!!!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: uad1149@dircon.co.uk (Ross Cochrane)
Subject: stubble
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:08:58 GMT
Keywords: shave facial hair


Hi girls.
 
I wonder if someone might be able to give me a little
advice.  I'm looking for a good foundation cream or
something like that which can cover facial stubble for a
considerable number of hours.  I always try and
have a good shave but naturally after a time the damned stuff 
appears
again, naturally at inconvenient times, hence the need for good
makeup.     The problem is that my skin
is very pale and consequently I don't really want a thick
greecy cream.  I'm not necessarily looking for a particular
brand as what is available in the UK may not be available
elsewhere, I'm more in the need of little tips that people
have found useful under such circumstances.  (Oh how I hate
facial hair).
 
Thanks girls in anticipation
 
christina_rose
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an1167@anon.penet.fi (Rita)
Subject: CD'ing when you have children
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:49:32 GMT

Hi ladies,

Lots of people out there talk about CD'ing, and how supportive or
unsupportive their spouses are.  My question is - what if you have
kids?  Small kids might not be too bad, because you can "indulge" at night
after they are in bed, but what about when they're older?  I've seen things
on TV (no, not *that* TV, I mean television ;-)) showing a CD'er with hir
entire family watching hir put on makeup, and they didn't seem to have
any hangups about it, but I wonder if that isn't a pretty rare situation.

Anyway, anyone have any comments?

By the way, since I "came out" to my wife, I've bought a few things and even
dressed in front of her - she let me borrow a few of her things, and even told
me I looked "nice"!  What a kick!

Thanks, sisters!

Rita
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From: an4258@anon.penet.fi (dances-with-aardvarks.)
Subject: Re: Where to shop: rocker girls 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:35:51 GMT

Valerie here.

In message <1993Jan6.025610.11848@fuug.fi>, 
an2166@anon.penet.fi (Michelle) writes:
>>I am
>>really interested in getting more info on the place in Hollywood
>>for rocker type girls!!
>OK, the rock & roll chick store that beats every other one I've ever
>seen, incredible selection of the most slutty clothes you ever saw, is
>"Playmates" at the corner of Wilcox Av. and Hollywood Blvd.  It has
>short dresses, leather skirts and dresses, racks and racks and racks
>of them, all kinds of short shorts and vinyl stuff, microskirts and
>miniskirts, short crinoline petticoats, longer ones, etc. etc. ...also
>lots of lingerie.  As I posted before, not the greatest stocking
>collection (opaque not well enough represented).

Did somebody say Slut?  Try Super Slut on Melrose.  I kid you not.  Well,
it was there about a year ago, anyway.  It was a well-stocked retail dive,
but I can't compare it to Playmates, since I haven't been there.

Valerie/dances-with-aardvarks                        an1845@anon.penet.fi
Subject to change without notice.


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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 13:04:19 EST
From: <WOMENCTR@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: CD'ing when you have children

Rita,  One thing to remember about kids..."Little pitchers have *big* mouths."

Many of my CD friends have reported the same problem over the years.
From: hary@poco.esd.sgi.com (Joe Hary)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: is it the body or the brain
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:32:54 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

As for any issue such as this, I dont think you can say what the origins
of crossidentification are.  I think it varies for every individual--
For some, the cultural influence will be the strongest; for others, there
are biochemical and genetic factors involved.  For many, it's probably
a combination of the two.

Consider the animal studies--Injections of estrogen in pregnant rats and
monkeys led to the male children of these animals to adopt female sexual
behavior.  So it is somewhat possible that hormonal influence before birth
will predispose someone to male or female identification--Note that all it
takes is hormonal influence, not genetic coding--So it seems that one 
possible explanation is that we all, male or female, have the capacity
to define ourselves at any point in the 'gender space' (no suprise here).
However, it is possible that biochemical processes can 'predispose' us
toward different points of this gender space---Combine this with 
crossgender socialization and you have 2 factors that may contribute
to any TG experience.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4258@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone - Happy New Year! 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:39:57 GMT

Valerie here.

In message <1993Jan1.182559.2112@fuug.fi>, 
an3982@anon.penet.fi (Mary Ann) writes:
>> Valerie here.
>> I'll be wearing a silk blouse, tights, pumps, and new leather miniskirt--
>> all in black.  No makeup or boobs tonight.  Given my strong facial
>> features and body hair, and the fact that my facial electrolysis isn't
>> done yet, I really look more natural and comfortable when I don't try to
>> pass. 
>
>Hi, Valerie.  Where did you go?  How did it go?  What was your hair like?
>Sounds like my kind of evening!

First I went with my esso to a friendly, relaxed party in San Francisco
that had a few people I knew (who already have seen me cross-dressed, and
complimented me on my legs and skirt (especially the host--woof!)) and lots
of people I didn't know (who didn't seem to pay an inordinate amount of
attention to me, positive or negative).  It was an enjoyable fete, but we
also were invited and obligated to attend a private SM/bondage party at
Club Eros, also in the City--so, off we went.  My cross-dressing was not
much of an issue there, first because of the general oddness of the scene,
and second because I soon lost most [then finally all] of my clothes due
to, er...  overheating, uh yah, that's it!  And you wondered why I wear a
"Shameless Hussy" button on my leather jacket ...along with the one that
reads, "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves."  Oh, about my
hair--I didn't do anything with it besides try to avoid getting soaked in
the rain.  It's mouse brown, has a little natural curl, and it's about 3
inches past my shouders.


Valerie/dances-with-aardvarks                      an1845@anon.penet.fi
Store in cool, dark place.


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From: bryj0001@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Evolution vs. Self-Discovery (was Re: Bogus theories...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:49:35 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

>                     I would say that the way one feels with regard to
>gender and sexual orientation is part of what makes us who we are (and
>shouldn't be something we try to "fix" to fit in with society's
>expectations of us), and that these feelings tend to come from places
>deep within is, places that we have little concious control over. That
>may sound similar to the first view, but this second view says that our
>feelings of gender identity and sexual orientation can change (usually
>subtly and gradually) over time, although we
>
>Rambling as ever,
>
>     Melissa.

Please keep "rambling."  I, for one, am fascinated!  Go on!

I've always wondered if my evolving feelings of gender identity and
sexual feelings both have been a process of self-discovery (the more
"comfortable" way of thinking about it), or true evolution.  I'm sure
it's both, but to what extent?  And is there really any way to know?

(The above is a very separate question from the "nature vs. nurture"
 debate, but very similar, and probably just as unanswerable.  I'm
 growing ever more inclined to believe that what makes us who and 
 what we are as people is not only horrendously complicated, but 
 very different from person to person.  Everytime someone comes up
 with a theory, I think how it could apply to me and say to myself
 either, "Hmm... There may be something to that," or, "What complete
 balderdash!  Nothing of the sort is true for me!"  Yet other people
 similar to me have the opposite reactions.  Too many theories can
 be well supported by selected evidence, and too few can be discarded.
 Are they all somewhat right, or all equally wrong?)

Now *I'm* rambling!  8-)			-- Claia

					       claia@ast1.spa.umn.edu
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