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From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Subject: Re: USA and the Gulf War
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:51:25 GMT

In article <DASU.92Aug21174715@sscux1.ssc.gov>, dasu@sscux1.ssc.gov (Sridhara
Dasu) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.091658@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
writes:
> 
> ...
> > Again Bush, in his acceptance speech, reminded the delegates that he had
> > served American Natl. interest by preserving American access to Middle East
> > oil (paraphrase).
> ...
>    --Javed.
> 
> I woke up to Bush's voice on NPR this morning and I though he said 
> "our energy sources" instead of "Middle East oil". That seems to sum
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Well to be fair, Bush didn't refer to Middle East oil as his own. He said that
in addition to having kept Saddam from getting control over a large reserve of
oil, he had also moved bills to develop energy resources in America; to prove
his claim that he had safe guarded "...American Natl. interest and the future
of our children..." etc.




> up what Bush and the like feel. Middle East oil is theirs and nobody has
> a right to prevent American access to it.
> 
> 			- Sridhara
> 
> ps. I don't mean to support Saddam by any means but I am just suggesting
> that American interest is well spelt out, and is by no means noble.



I had no doubt that the overriding and only interest for the US in the mideast
is oil but no American politician or official was going to say it explicitly,
obviously. So I was surprised to get it from the horse's mouth, so to say.



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From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Re: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:01:28 GMT

zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR) writes:


>	
>	What a news guys......

>	"Pakistan has fired 687 police officers in Sind province, citing their
>	ties to criminals, the government said. The action followed a recent 										          order by Prime Minister Sharif for a crackdown on the province's police
>	force."


>	The Wall Street Journal.
>	Monday, August 17, 1992.


>	Zakir Abdi. (This time pray for Pakistan) 



   Thats the way it has to be, thats the way I like it.   :)


Mubashir.
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: REMOTE SENSING with CHEMICAL SENSORS...
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 02:36:57 GMT

Mr. Mirza Ilyas...

if i am a Good PAKISTANI i will try for a "BOOTI"

anit we all......

amer-
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:21:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.


	
	What a news guys......

	"Pakistan has fired 687 police officers in Sind province, citing their
	ties to criminals, the government said. The action followed a recent 										          order by Prime Minister Sharif for a crackdown on the province's police
	force."


	The Wall Street Journal.
	Monday, August 17, 1992.


	Zakir Abdi. (This time pray for Pakistan) 
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From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Subject: Hockey
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:22:05 GMT

Hi,

I read in the newspaper that Pakistan won 1 medal on the Olympic Games.
Congratulations to the hockey team but isn't it bad that they won
this medal against favorite Holland? And even with the help of the
referee? Pity...

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From: obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF)
Subject: Re: Hockey
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:04:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.155457.14912@sco.COM> waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:
>>bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:
>>: Hi,
>>: 
>>: I read in the newspaper that Pakistan won 1 medal on the Olympic Games.
>>: Congratulations to the hockey team but isn't it bad that they won
>>: this medal against favorite Holland? And even with the help of the
>>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>: referee? Pity...
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>whine whine whine. FYI Pakistan beat Holland twice.
>
>
>waseem

	Ah! Who cares about hockey anyway! When they lost to Germany, I lost
interest. 
	But heh! WE are the Kirkit Kings! YES! Top that!

Arif 
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From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Re: Asma Jhagir: Human Right Activist
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:46:09 GMT

ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:

>>From: myadav@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Mahesh Yadav)
>>
>>Times of India Aug,5,1992
>>The Times of India News Service
>>NEW DELHI, Aug 4:
>>
>>	Women of Indian subcontinent suffer disrespect and indignity, 
>>Ms  Asma Jhangir, secretary-general of the Human Rights Association of 
>>Pakistan said here yesterday.
>
>

       *****************stuff deleted*************************

>That's true. 
>	
>>	The law is open to exploitation. But as it exists in the name of 
>>religion, it cannot be changed, she said.
>
>Asma Jhangir  is God's gift to my LAND.

well she must be doing a good job, along the lines of protecting
or fighting for human rights.......

but i find her a tool of PPP, used during Zia's martial law, she
never objected to any human rights violation during BENEZIR's regime.

i have seen her in ABC's 20/20, in which they did a story about
women of Pakistan. the story though was true, but only showed one
side of our culture, that how women are being abused in our villages
etc.

she while driving around i guess it was sam Donaldson, tells her
that if puts his hand on her shoulder they might be booked under
Hadood ordnance. and more of such crap.

the main crux of the story, which was made during BB's rule was that
that oppression against women was all due to laws made during
martial law.

our then federal law minister gilani and BB( i am not sure was
interviewed or not) was interviewed and said that this was all due to
martial law.

they portrayed cases such Nurpur incident, etc. fot that story..


THE INTERESTING RESULTS WERE...........

after that story was aired....

a) a PAKI dude who was about to marry an AMERIKAN had to sign up
   a pre-nuptial agreement that, she would not go to waten-e-aziz
   with him.

b) many cool PAKI dudes lost their AMERIKAN sweet hearts.

c) now RAFEY ABDUR KHAN would know, why is so to find a BLONDE.

Amer[why ask why, try a brunette] Qureshi.
From: ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:31:27 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA

In article <1992Aug20.031222.4238@cco.caltech.edu>, asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.183759.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.101149.30461@davidsys.com>, merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>>> 
>>> 	The point of Islam allowing multiple wives is not an issue that
>>> is debatable.  It is allowed and it is the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (phuh)
>>> and it is still valid today as it was fourteen centuries ago.  There are
>>> **reasons why** it is permitted and the guidelines in Islam are for all
>>> people and all time.  Those who disagree with the concept and call it
>>> sexist and baised against women can choose not to practise it.  But when
>>> people conclude to questioning the character of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)
>>> and theorizing that Islam deprives the rights of women, then, those
>>> people haven't really understood what Islam has given to women.   
>>> 
>>> Islam is the exception.
>>
>>  You're right there * were* definite reasons for allowing multiple
>>wives, but most of those reasons do not exist today.  There is no
>>shortage of men for one thing (thank G-d :-)) and women, many women, 
>>do not need to be taken care of, you and I are probably good examples.
>>I dont think it is a matter of questioning the Prophets (pbuh)
>>character to call it a sexist rule, because the concept of sexism 
>>didnt exist at that time; however it does exist today, and by
>>definition allowing multiple wives is a sexist concept.  However to 
> 	=================================================	
> 	Yes, in your opinion, I will like to add. :)
> 
    No sir, not in my opinion alone, the word sexist as defined in
Webster's dictionary means 'something that favors one sex over
another'....well also in my opinion, but who am I anyway???
jahanar

>>each his own and if someone feels he can treat more than one wife 
>>equally and his wives agree to it then it is their personal business.
>>I for one would shoot my good man in case he became interested in 
>>acquiring another wife.  No doubt about it!!
>>jahanara  
>>> 
>>> -Rukhsana Merchant
> 
> Asim Mughal
> [Standard Disclaimer]
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From: asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ?????
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:19:19 GMT

In article <samaddar.714260186@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
>
>>Yes, exactly! The Mullahs are dead scared of real Islam being enforced in
>>Pakistan. Under Islamic they would be hanged within 24hours for high treason,
>
>This "real" Islam is like "real" Communism. One never really finds it :-)
	I don't think I understand what you mean by this. Are you saying,		Islam is too idealistic hence impractical ?

>Maybe like determining the real position and velocity of an electron. It
>must be there, it's just not possible to find them simultaneously.
>
			
	Yes, but you can always determine both of them precisely. 

	In the case of Islam, things are a little different. Everything is
	right in front front of us, Holy Quran, Sunnah & Hadith, if we stil
	
	then who is to be blamed ?
 

Asim Mughal

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From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Afghanistan Situation
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:30:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ceXOynK00VogEF4Vgx
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Just want to say :

  Pakistan (and India) inherited the army, police and civil
service from the British. Without those three the British would
have not been able to rule. We accepted them without any purges,
and without any question of their previous loyalties.

It is then somewhat hypocritical for the descendants of those
institutions to claim that the problem in Afghanistan mainly
lies with the non-purging of the ex-Communist forces, because
of their previous loyalties.

-arun gupta
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From: alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN)
Subject: it was a dark(almost redundantly so: )) and stormy night:)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:39:29 GMT

memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>Subject: Darkness all over...

>Hey why do these women ever have to go to these wierd newsgroups to get bizzare
>talk, when they have me in this newsgroup. Read my article and "believe this
why indeed!:) where else would u find a conversn even vaguely resembling the
following(i maynot have come across it in talk.bizarre tho:)):
>>>>test posn for pregnancy? stand on yr hd for an hr
>>>he's kidding right?i'm getting a headache just thinking ab this.
>>                                  ~~~~~~~~no no that's a method of 
>>                                          contraception.


>are concieved in the back seat of their cars. Man,  what do they tell their 
kinda reminds 1 of 'dont drink and park.accidents cause ppl' :)

ObSubj: aneroid barometer:a meteorological instrmt whose rdgs, along w/
darkening skies,rolling seas,high wind speeds, are used to indicate
the onset of a storm.

>Naveed
Afshan. why'd ya mention ganDayriaaN man:)i used to know that stuff:)
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:32:55 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
> In <12AUG199208464907@vxcrna.cern.ch> mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> 
>>In article <sehari.713556894@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes...
>>>---
>>> 
>>>May be all Oil producing countries, and OPEC members, should stop the oil
>>>shipment for one whole week to protest massacre of the people in Yugoslavia.
>>>                           Babak   Sehari.
>>>
> 
>>     No they cannot. Slaves always need permission from their masters.
> 
>>Mirza Ilyas
> 
> Are you claiming that the west somehow controls the oil producing countries.
> 20 years of very stormy relations give the lie to this statement.  I suppose
> the oil embargoes of the 70's and the 80's were orchestrated by the west
> as a cover up, to hide the fact that they were actually in charge.
> 
> Just because two countries happen to decide that they have many interests
> in common, does not imply that one country is controlling the other.
> 
> Please give some proof for this outlandish assertion.
> 
> -- 
> --Mark
> 

I don't claim to know much about politics but a country that can decide
when and wherever to have military manuevers without needing any permission
of acceptance pretty much owns that soil, and if that soil happens
be that of an oil producing country, what else can be concluded.

-Rukhsana Merchant
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From: ppessi@vipunen.hut.fi (Pekka Pessi)
Subject: Re: Immigrants and employment
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Aug20.092959.25536@ugle.unit.no>	<1992Aug20.100850.25723@cs.joensuu.fi>	<1992Aug20.114653.28248@ugle.unit.no>,<TAIPALE.92Aug20144916@node_23d9f.kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi>
	<1992Aug20.152441.10529@kth.se>
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:13:28

In article <1992Aug20.152441.10529@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
>>...after all, my country was under a colonial rule, first Swedish...

>Just a minor point: in the "Swedish days" Finland was the eastern part of
>Sweden rather than a Swedish colony. You may think this is semantics, but
>the relationship (present) Finland - (present) Sweden in those days 
>wasn't all like e.g. India - Britain.

	This is an interesting piece of semantics; Algeria was an
	"over-see departement" rather than a colony and it was
	considered a integral part of France. You can consider also
	the situation in Ireland: was Ireland a colony or an ordinary
	British province?

	
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From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: nationalism, Finns, Chinese, etc.
Keywords: none
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:44:17 GMT

In article <sooz.713839561@vincent1.iastate.edu> sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley) writes:
>In <1992Aug14.063913.16102@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>
>[my growling deleted]
>
>>I'm deeply sorry - I was not aiming my verbal gun at you or Mats
>>Winberg. I had no specific reason to do so.
>
>>My article was aiming at many people in Norway (and surely in the other
>>western countries) who mean that we cannot allow people from Asia,
>
>[remainder deleted for brevity]
>
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I would like to answer while following Japanese immigration policy and
being there even for a while.
Is it not rasism when Japan does not want to take immigrants from elsewhere
and even other asians are unwelcome? Why always "white" policy is rasism
but not "yellow" as an example Japan. Is it rasism when in muslim countries
a law bans a muslim woman to marry a christian man for instance a scandinavian.
If in Scandinavia there were a similar law it were rasism, for instance
a ban to a christian woman to marry a muslim man it were certainly rasism
at least by the foreigners but when it is vice versa it is "an old habit".
I always wonder this very one sided rasism talks, once a French man
three years ago whined for me that he does not get freely a working
permit in Finland as a rasist law the same time his own country had a policy
to demand a visa from the Finnish citizen entering France, now lifted.
It seems for me so that especially speaking with foreign people they suddenly
note that they are demanding such things in Finland which they own countries
do not allow for the Finnish citizens, and that I have noticed frequently.
Such Finns who do not know very well other countries even feel quilty!!!
It is a lack of information mostly, the same thing I think is in Sweden and
Norway, bad informed norwegians believe that normal things are rasism
because people are learned already to think so, and some people take 
advantage of it.
Jarmo

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From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: Moving to Finland
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:49:00 GMT

linnan@niksula.hut.fi (Matti Linnanvuori) writes:
>  Other ways to work in Finland are:
       <<< some methods deleted>>>
>applying for 
>a political refuge (very hard, you'll have to prove you are being
>persecuted by your country's authorities.)

Actually, asking for political asylum is the easiest way to get into
Finland.  Finnish law says that every foreigner who asks for a
political asylum must be allowed to come in. AFTER you are in Finland
they start investigating whether you are a "real" political refugee or
not. This takes something like 18 months or more, and all that time
they pay you welfare.

If your application is turned down, no problem: Finnish law allows you
to ask for an asylum second time => you can live in Finland for
another 18 months and get welfare all the time. Then you can apply for
a third time...

(Puts on an anti-flame asbestos suit :-)
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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Subject: Re: Business (was Re: Immigrants and employment)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:24:39 GMT

jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

>This kind of discussion is as stupid as some of the discussions with my
>6 years old child
>I'm nearly 40 years old, so I should have learnt before - I hope I've
>learnt it now. :-)

So do I.
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From: anders@lise7.lise.unit.no (Anders Christensen)
Subject: Re: "Wise words" from the Swedish King
Organization: /home/flipper/anders/.organization
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:19:48

In article <1992Aug13.123038.4999@lth.se> kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes: 
> In article <1992Aug13.021102.1107@news.uit.no> sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:

> >A couple of years ago when people thought that the seals were too cute
> >to be hunted, the swedish king gave the following statement while
> >visiting New Zealand:
> >
> >	"How can Gro Harlem Brundtland manage to govern the Norwegian
> >	 people when she is not capable to deal with the problems of
> >	 Norwegian sealhunting?"

I don't think that translation of the quote is correct. It implies that
she is incapable of handling the sealhunting, which the king never
said, as far as I can remember. I think the more correct quote is:

  "If Gro Harlem Brundtland can not handle the seal problem, then I 
   wonder if she is capable of governing the Norwegian people."

To some extent, this is even worse, since he makes a statement that
might be understood as a negative statement about the capabilities of
an active politician. The fact that it is a foreign politician saves
the day for him; if it had been a Swedish politician, I think he would
have done something very stupid.  I think that Gro Harlem Brundtland
did the right think by ignoring it, and letting the statement stand
for the king's own account.

> [...]
> >...... Afterwards he realised that his statement were based on incorrect
> >sources.........

> Actually, He *only* said that his statement was based upon suspect
> sources, he did not apologize.

Actually, he only says (the letter was reprinted in the Norwegian
newspaper VG") that his statements about the Norwegian sealhunt was
based on sources that proved to be "not completely correct"
afterwards.  He did not claim that the sources was 'suspect' (he
identifies the sources as the press and TV).  Nor did he call the
sources 'incorrect'. And he does not refer to the specific statements
of his that were incorrect because of the incorrect sources.

Actually, he didn't apology/claim/regret (pick you favorite word)
anything, since the letter was written by the Riksmarskalk, on request
of the king, but is worded as the Riksmarskalk informing the
sealhunters that basis for the statements was incorrect.

By the way, what you both miss, is that this letter is written to
the lawer of the sealhunters, not to the prime minister of Norway. If
you choose to regard it as an apology, it is an apology to the
sealhunters for the statement that the king made about *them*. NOT
an apology for the statement he made about Gro Harlem Brundtland (and
she would probably never ask for one) on the press conference in NZ.

However, it sounds pretty much like an apology to me, although the
word 'apology' is not present ... the art of saying "I apologize"
without actually using the a-word.

If this evolves into a medium-sized whale-discussion, I'll post the
contents of the letter.

-anders
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Immigrants and employment
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:24:41 GMT

In article <TAIPALE.92Aug20144916@node_23d9f.kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi>, taipale@kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi (Pekka J Taipale) writes:

[about Finland]

>...after all, my country was under a colonial rule, first Swedish...

Just a minor point: in the "Swedish days" Finland was the eastern part of
Sweden rather than a Swedish colony. You may think this is semantics, but
the relationship (present) Finland - (present) Sweden in those days 
wasn't all like e.g. India - Britain.

Tomas

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