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From: atmadja@cs.purdue.edu (Hery Atmadja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packer Plus
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:41:47 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
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Dear Packers fans:

	Can anyone of you tell how to get 'Packer Plus' subscription?

Hery
e-mail: atmadja@cs.purdue.edu

PS: I'm dying to hear more Packers news.
From: martens@cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Plus
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:15:39 -0500
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
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In article <1k6virINNfgs@ector.cs.purdue.edu> atmadja@cs.purdue.edu (Hery Atmadja) writes:

>	Can anyone of you tell how to get 'Packer Plus' subscription?

The most recent "Packer Plus" lists the following phone numbers:
(800) 846-PACK, (414) 224-2222, and a fax number:  (414) 224-0823.

The snail-mail address is:

	Packer Plus
       	Milwaukee Sentinel
	PO Box 2970
	Milwaukee, WI   53201-2970

Note:  I'm not affiliated in any way with the "Packer Plus" except
as a satisfied customer.  I subscribe to both the PP and the
"Packer Report," and slightly prefer the PP over the PR.  I'll
continue to get, however, as long as I live places where the news
papers don't cover the Pack.

For completeness, here's how to get in touch with the "Packer
Report":  

	Packer Report
	112 Market St.
	Sun Prairie, WI   53590
	(608) 837-2200
	(608) 837-3946 (fax)

-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC EAST TEAMS UP TO BEAT BUFFALO
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:51:03 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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Most wars are won with early intelligence......


Coach Johnson has already talked with Redskins coach Joe Gibbs and 
ex coach of the Giants Bill Parcels who won four of the last six SB's
to prepare the gameplan to defeat the Bills....

GO COWBOYS !!!!
tim

"You can either proffit from this or be destroyed, it's your choice"
                                             -Luke Skywalker
      
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:41:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.174224.46534@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Second:
>	" To continue flaming until the other person stops, thus 
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	  allowing me to proclaim myself the winner "

Nope, this should be bound to only Meeks.

>Yes, he has actually stated this (in different words), and actually seems
>to believe it...
And Meeks' month long flaming is not trying to "flame until the other 
person stops". Talking about the pot calling kettle black....

And worse yet, Meeks has the nasty habit of using the lie "I am not going to
argue anymore" as bait to lure the other person to stop ....

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: RLAG10@email.sps.mot.com (Gary Gavlick)
Subject: Re: HOUSTON OILERS LOSE AGAIN!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Motorola SPS, Analog Automotive
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:38:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.234720.22248@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
wjd7916@ultb.isc.rit.edu (W.J. Davis) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan20.150043.10804@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> >With the victory over Miami by Buffalo and the victory over SF by Dallas,
> >Houston once again has lost. So if any Oiler fan (including myself) is going to
> >watch the SuperBowl, we will have to ride out the replays of the "Greatest
> >comeback in NFL history". And then we will have to listen to the Cowboy fans.
> >EGADS! We just cant win!
> >
> The Cowboy fans will just watch the first half of the game and wonder 
> if the bills have any offense or Defense
> 
> >Oh well, if Buffalo wins, then the Oilers will have something to think about
> >and something they will be reminded about for an entire year. Maybe that will
> >inspire them to win. 
> 
> The Oilers need to be able to run the ball.  If the could have put
> together 4 or 5 first downs rushing the bill may not have one
> 

  What is so magical about getting a first down by rushing?  Pittsburgh had
a 100yd rusher and rushing 1st downs against Buffalo in the playoffs and
lost by a big margin.  Dallas got the 10 pt lead against SF and wasn't able
to "just run the ball".  Was the long (60+ yds) pass that brought Dallas
from inside their 30 to inside the SF 20 a mistake?  Should they have been
giving it to Smith instead so they could "chew up the clock"?
   IMO you need to be able to make 1st downs and score once you get inside
the 25 yd line of the opposing team.  It doens't matter if you pass or run
-- just do it.  If all Houston needed to win was a tight end and an
emphasis on the running game, they would have won a Superbowl with
Glanville.
   
------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary Gavlick
Motorola, Semiconductor - Tempe, Arizona
"The opinions and views expressed here are solely my own and do not
necessarily represent those of Motorola."
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: JGH computer predictions: a curious algorithm
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 25 JAN 93 15:14:54    

In article <1975@niktow.canisius.edu>, bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes...

>What is more curious about Mr Heim's algorithm, is that the top 6 teams are
>NFC teams?
> 
>Is Heim an anagram for Madden?  :-)

Hey, my program had the Bills ranked #1 for several weeks earlier this 
season.  I didn't see any other programs ranking them so high.

JGH
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From: yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount)
Subject: Re: Ninth Annual All-Madden Team Announced
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount)
Organization: BNR

In article <009673B3.596DB2A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>,
5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
|>In article <422610d58@ofa123.fidonet.org>,
Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|>>In a message of <Jan 24 17:31>, Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR (1:103/208) writes: 
|>> >Practically all of the names on his list are from the NFC! I only saw a 
|>> >couple of names from the AFC (mostly Houston). Sheeshhh....
|>>
|>>You need to remember that CBS carries games in NFC stadiums.  NBC
gets the AFC 
|>>stadium games.
|>>
|>>John Madden is more likely to pick NFC players because he sees more of them
|>>play.
|>>
|>
|>Not exactly I think. The conference of the Visiting Team in
|>a match determines the network (NFC - CBS & AFC - NBC).
|>So if Washington plays in Kansas (as they did this year)
|>then CBS will cover it. (As John Madden and Pat Summerall did
|>this year).
|>But I wholeheartedly agree with you on the point
|>that he is more likely to pick NFC players since he watches
|>them more.
|>Bye
                     
No, No, No. You guys are all wrong. The reason so few AFC players
make the All-Madden team is those gayly colored uniforms they wear!
Madden likes players that are mean and nasty. You just can't be that 
mean wearing aqua. 

jeff.
Go Cowboys!
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: WE WILL WIN BILLS
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:02:53 GMT

In article <douthit.727980655@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:

>>Details Monday I think I found the weakest link in Dallas!
>>hint   70% of the first downs were made by one running back!
>>ok! for the casual fan, stop Emmit the Comet and dallas got SQUAT.

Well this isn't that hard to do since the Cowboys really don't have
a backup for Emmitt...And the Cowboys managed to win a few games this season
without Emmitt having a 100yd game...Oh and by the way, Emmitt is spelled
with 2 (count em - 2) ts :)!!!  And if the fact that the Cowboys have 6 -
yes 6- Pro Bowlers on offense, and Aikman, Irvin, and Smith are all there,
along with Williams, Newton, and Novacek...I don't think that stopping Emmitt 
is the only thing that the Bills are going to have to worry about.

>>Look at the TD and yds per down stats for BOTH teams. Dallas has two
>>maybe five players with break away stats! Buffalo has ten maybe eight
>> players who fill the go to role!

Okay, look at the average yards per game that Smith has on Grass, and the 
avg yards pergame on turf.  Smith averages almost forty more yards a game 
on grass (97 vs 134).  And if you look at the big play capability, both
teams have the ability to break off a big play, but the team speed of the 
Cowboys is going to prevail in the end.  Irvin, Harper, Martin, Novecek, 
Smith, and now Daryll Johnston...The moose is loose!!!!!!!

And how do you figure ten or eight players with break away stats...
Kelly hasn't caught a pass all year, and the TEs of the Bills aren't 
exactly there for pass catching, and they really don't have a true 
fullback...If you are going to count Gardner in these stats of "break
away stats", then we might as well add Swervin Curvin Richards to the 
list of the Cowboys, and he was let go over a month ago.

I count: Kelly (throwing only), Thomas, Davis, Lofton, Reed, and Bebe on
occasion...That only makes six!  How do you get eight or ten!  I would really
be interested to know.

Sean


-- 
Sean Reid                     |"Baseball is a rather simple game. You throw the 
Dept. of Computer Science     | ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball...  
Montana State University      | Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes
icsu0182@caesar@cs.montana.edu| it rains."    --  Eppy Calvin "NUKE" LaLouche
From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wanted/Predictions
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:31:50 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Dallas 41
Buffalo 10

Go Boyz

Will
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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: You're right, Young is a Great QB
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:28:24 GMT

In article <athos-170193231221@kip2-37.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>I don't know what I was thinking.  Young kept his cool when he needed it,
>and made the right decisions in clutch situations.  I must have been blind
>to think that Joe Montana had a cooler head under pressure.  Apologies
>extended.
>
>Not to blame the entire loss on him (defense sucked), but Young really
>****ed up in two key situations.  They were passes that should NOT have
>been thrown.
>
>******************************************************************************
>Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
>Apple's)
>athos@apple.com
>Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
>******************************************************************************

Get a clue.  Young played a pretty good game.  In the 82 title game
I think Montana threw three interceptions.  You just get it do you?
You will have to face the facts that this team is just not as
good as the Great Niner teams of the 80s.  The difference is in the
defense.  How many times did Dallas convert on third down in the
second half.  Since Aikman was 13-16 i would have to alot.
If the Forty-Niners hope to imporve they should look to get
defensive DB help.  Maybe they can trade Montana for it.

Of course if Joe would have played he would have been 27-28
for 690 yards and 18 TDs. Not.  He probably would have but up
standard Joe montana good numbers, which were about what Young did
The difference is that when Montana played defense was better.  In those
days they would not have given up a 70 yard pass with 4:00 to go
when the team desperately needed a stop.

Go Bruins!!!!!               __     __   ________         __           ___
Tom Lavelle                 /\_\   /\_\ /_______/\       /\_\         /\__\
(Pvt. Cheeseburger)        / / /  / / / \  _____\/      / / /        / / _ \
                          / / /__/ / /   \ \ \______   / / /___     / / /_\ \
NASA LeRC                / / /___\/ /     \ \/_____/\ / / /_____\  / /  ___  \
(216) 977-7042           \/_______ /       \_______\/ \/________/  \/__/   \__\
lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Cowboys, a UK perspective
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:39:56 GMT

In article <C1Hx7y.40u@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>FACT: the two best teams are Buffalo and Dallas, 
FACT: this is nothing but an opinion.

>that is why they are in the SB and the other teams mentioned are sitting home.
FACT: "in the SB" is no justification of 2nd best. According to the book, a 
knockout tournament is only good enough to sort out the best team. To
find out the 2nd best team, a playoff among the first-line losers is required.
In other words, there is no evidence that the losing finalist is the 2nd
best team.

Some dumb-ass who graduated from Purdue will certainly ask: what book is it? 

And since you have to ask this question, you should have returned your
computer science/engineering degree.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why Dallas wins the SB
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:34:28 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:

> 
> Bill Clinton became Prez today, Cowboys are in the Bowl 
> 
> it's just a Arkansas thang........
> 
> Buffalo, the next Minnesota...
> 
> GO COWBOYS !!!!!!
> tim

does that mean Clinton will do the toss?  I remembered Raygun
did the toss when the Niners were in the bowl.
Kinda reminded me of a "Jetson" episode when George was pulled over
by a cop, had to speak to the judge, but it was a recording 
"not ggggguilty" "Oh my, he must have that fixed (heh heh heh).
Jim G......
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue (Bill ))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Trivia Answer #9
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:21:47 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Question: Including city names and team names, what are the only two       
            letters not used in the spelling of any of the NFL clubs?
                    
  Answer: Q and Z

  bill

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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Mike Saxon punting poorly 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:51:52 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: Super Bowl, Cowboys
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com(Baldemar Gil) writes:

>Mike Saxon has been punting very poorly recently (short punts,
>no hang time).  Anybody know why?

I think it has something to do with the way his foot keeps hitting the ball :^)

Seriously, I noticed the same thing.  Luckily it hasn't mattered.

			-Ron
From: kjs5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KRISTIAN JOHN SCHAFER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas over Bills: followup
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:34:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The other day I left a message in which I stated quality teams don't have to
make 32-point comebacks because they don't find themselves behind by 32 points.
Let me clarify:
 Teams that find themselves behind by 32 points are playing BAD.  As far as I
 know the Falcons were the only other team this year to be behind by 32 or
 more points. The Bills deserve some credit for making their comeback, but
 lets face it, if the Oilers didn't play the worst half of football in NFL
 playoff history (and the Bills first half is easily number 2) the Bills would
 all be playing golf and complaining about their lack of respect.  To say that
 game made the Bills a team of destiny is bull, rather it made the Oilers the
 team destined to never win a Super Bowl.  The Bills did play well in their
 other playoff games, but lets face the facts.  Pittsburgh hadn't played a
 good game since they defeated Cincy way back on Nov. 29.  The offense was in
 dissarray and their defense is mediocre( for God's sake they nearly lost to
 Seattle at home!@!#$!).  And the Miami Marino's, er Dolphins, are strictly a
 one dimensional team (can you say Marino?) Their running doesn't exist and
 their defense has been missing since the days of the killer bees.  The Bills
 weren't exactly facing stiff competition on their way to Pasadena.  The
 multidimensional offense is something the Bills will not be able to handle on
 Super Bowl Sunday, because offensive weapons like Emmit G. Smith (as I found
 out earlier from another post the G stands for god) Michael Irvin, Troy
 Aikman, Jay Novacek, and Alvin Harper cannot be contained.  And the Bills
 offense is in such a mess people are still arguing if Frank Reich should
 start in Pasadena.  For such Reich supporters, consider this : if he is so
 good then how come he has been Kelly' backup for 5 years?  Obviously in the
 opinion of the Bills, who see both quarterbacks on a daily basis, Kelly is
 the best quarterback.   And for the person who asked if the Cowboy'
 backup,Steve Beurlien, could do the same, my answer is WHO CARES!  The
 Cowboys excellent offensive line has kept Aikman in perfect health all season
 long.  And Beurlien is more than a capable backup (5-0 in regular season and
 1-1 in the playoffs).  Bills fans who are comparing back up quarterbacks
 better start laying off the bottle and start realizing the Bills are a team
 of destiny: destined to lose three Super Bowls in a row.  And if the Bills
 would like to go for the gold and lose four, I'm sure the Cowboys will be
 waiting for them next year.

 GO Cowboys!
 Cowboys: 34
Bills: 13

Cowboys: 6 time NFC champion and winners of Super Bowls VI and XII.
- A dedicted Cowboy fan.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Reeves History/NYG Fans Take Heart!
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:16:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C1FqBt.2nI@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu
 (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>
>
>Career win/loss record:  117 wins 79 loses 1 tie
>

Wonder how many of these were sheer Elway?

>He became head coach of the Broncos in February of '81, after spending
>his entire pro career both as a player and coach at Dallas
>(Hmmm...learn under Tom Landry ya say?).  

Interesting how two offensive players from the same organization and coach
(Ditka and Reeves) can have such divergent views on how to run a team.

>He was signed as a free agent
>RUNNING BACK (hey Rodney and Gerrod...check it out!) in 1965 and became

I believe he held the Cowboys record for most TDs by a back until it
broken this year by some dude named Emmitt or something...


>Although I'm pulling big time for the 'boyz in Pasadena, I can't help
>but make one point here...we may not have got Wannstedt and JJ was
>still a long way off from the Landry/Reeves days, but wouldn't it be
>peachy to kick some 'boyz butt next year with an ex-player/coach from
>Dallas?   YES!!!!
>
>

The Gs always play the Boyz tough.  Earlier this year, they came within a
TD (thanks, Ray!) of the greatest comeback in NFL history.  Even at
Thanksgiving, they did pretty well in the first half until Emmitt went
crazy! Shoudl make for some good matchups next year.

satish nair
giants
From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Canadian Football League
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:08:39 GMT


 It's been speculated that with the deal between the league and the
players the WLAF's chances of returning for 1994 have increased,
but will the Surge and Riders be back now that there cities have
entered the CFL ? Will they be able to support two franchises in
different leagues operating at about the same time ? Unlikely, 
so what will happen ? 

  If the NFL has any sense at all then it should move both these
teams to Europe and reduce North American contingent to one division.

          jon 
              jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs
From: crr4574@zeus.tamu.edu (LARUE, CHARLES L.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Info requested on Cowboys draft picks
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:19 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Does anyone know the rounds in which Dallas has draft picks this year?  I know
we gave some up in the Haley trade and I believe we gave up a fifth for
Thomas Everett.  Do we have multiple picks in any round?

Also, could some of you cowboy fans post your opinions as to what we need in
this years draft.  I say we need a backup running back, a backup corner, and
another linebacker to take over for Vinson Smith (although he has played well
this year, just not outstanding).  I think Jimmy will sign another quarterback
through free agency (I have heard Wade Wilson's name mentioned several times). 
I think the offensive and defensive lines are in excellent shape, and the
recievers are excellent, we have two very good corners, and Darren Woodson will
make an excellent starting safety along with Thomas Everett next season.

BTW, when this Rooney rule in not in effect any more, I think Jimmy will kill
in the free agent market.  He has such an eye for talent, I think this will
make Dallas stronger in the long run.  I hear he has his eye on Cortez Kennedy,
who would probably like to get back together with all of his college coaches
and teamates.  If it weren't for the Rooney rule this year, you might see
Reggie White in a Cowboy's uniform next season.  I hate to see him go to the
Redskin's, but I think we have their number.

Go Cowboy's, it's time to pay the Bill's.

Charles Larue
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:21:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan24.193016.13376@asl.dl.nec.com> doan@aslslc07.asl.
dl.nec.com (Duc Doan) writes:
>
>
>I personally think it will be great for footbal as a whole and the NFC
>east in general. The Giants bored me to death with their run oriented
>offense. If it's not for the defense I probably never watch them play.
>

Unfortunately, the Giants don't have the personnel for this. They may
be starting one of two rookie quarterbacks, have offensive lineman who
have been conditioned for run blocking, lack any receivers who can
be thought of as deep threats and have drafted tight ends who are great
at blocking but can't really be counted on to catch the ball. Believe me,
this ia not a turn for the best... I only hope Reeves can bring in a half
way decent defensive coordinator and not a Wade Phillips-type whose defense
is built around a smallich-quick scheme... such a defensive scheme will 
simply be out-powered by the Nate Newtons and Jim Lacheys of the NFC East!

satish nair
giants




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