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From: it1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Tsai)
Subject: Re: GRE
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:08:08 GMT

christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:
>Well, just from talking to friends and other classmates, when
>we get rejected it would be nice to get a 'reason' in the
>letter.

  Well, on the rejection letter from UCONN, they mentioned my low GPA
being the reason.  No matter, Rutgers and NYU accepted me, and I'm now
a MSCS student at NYU.

  Oh, 50% Verbal, 92% Quantative, 85% Analytical (450, 770, 680 I
think).  75% CS Subject (700).  GPA: 2.05 from Mississippi State
University.  Yup, you heard it right, 2.05!  I did have 3 excellent
recommendation letters though, probably as good as it gets.  BTW,
the graduate coordinator at MSU basically laughed at my face when
I asked about their MS program.  Their loss.  :-)

  PS: I'm an international student.

  Tim
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: Greg Shannon <shannon@beldar.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: GRE
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:58:37 EST

>Unfortunately many (sad, including few top ranked) graduate schools use 
>GRE scores to screen the applications in the first phase.
>Particularly for international applicants, GRE scores are really important
>as their grading system may be different and difficult to evaluate.
>It is too sad, but I hope many other schools evaluate the applications 
>in a better way, by considering all the credentials.

As someone who looks at ~500 applications a year,
I find these comments curious.

For almost all international students admission must be the
same as providing aid.  Therefore, the competition is very keen.
We look at all folders and all materials, but the fact is
that maybe one typical* international student with less than
1900 total GRE will be seriously considered for aid
(here at Indiana).  Most entering international students
here have atleast 2100 total GREs.

* typical international applicants are from Taiwan, PRC, Korea, and India.

For us and most other US departments, domestic students
are treated differently.  Why?  We typically know about 
the quality of your school (we likely know someone who went
there), we often know your letter writters (or can afford
to call them if we have questions), CS courses etc. are more
standardize so grades mean more, and culturaly we understand
the letters of reference much better.

I get the impression that you think some/many departments
do not take graduate applications seriously.
What makes you think this?  
I don't want to defend other departments, but I am curious.

BTW, given the volume of applications departments deal with,
it is reasonable that at least 1% of the applications get administratively
messed up.  Some departments do better, some worse.
Therefore, there will always be some horror stories about
applying to grad school (and other things in life) that
are not any particular person's fault or widespread.

Hope this helps.

Greg Shannon
Chair, Graduate Admissions and Awards
Computer Science Department
Indiana University, Bloomington
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From: pratt@athena.mit.edu (David W Pratt)
Subject: Re: Avg. Ph.D. Admissions Times
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:59:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.042910.25978@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:
|> As an eager applicant to various Ph.D. programs, I'm curious as to
|> how long the schools keep us in suspense before they reject :(
|> or accept :) us.
|> 
|> Does anybody have any stats or rough ideas?  Are some schools quicker than
|> others.  Any info on Toronto, Duke, Penn, Indiana, Illinois would be 
|> especially appreciated!
|> 
|> --
|> 
|> Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
|> Department of Computer Science
|> Temple University
|> Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787

I applied to two private schools (MIT and Carnegie-Mellon U) and two public
schools (California/Berkeley and Penn St.).  I made an effort to get my
applications in early (mid-October).  The private schools replied much, much
faster than the public schools.  Carnegie-Mellon repsonded the day before Thanks-
giving and MIT the week after, and both offered fellowships.  I didn't get news
from the public schools until March.  The problem with the public schools is
that things are always caught up in committee, usually financial aid committees.
Private schools have money, are smaller and are usually able to move much faster.
The other bit of advice is that if they really want you, you'll hear from them
soon enough.

As an Illinois alum (UIUC), I can say they're fairly together with their 
program.  They're real administrative professionals.

Good Luck!!

David Pratt
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (Matthew Jerome Rush)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:05:03 GMT

How important is your analytical score?  I did pretty average
on the first two, but got a 690 on what I like to call the
"Crossword Puzzle Book" section.  Did that really help me get
into a good English program?

Matt
From: qliu@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: E.E Department email list.
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:16:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark



      do you have email list for E.E departments ?
      please post me one if you have.
      thanx in advance.



      from : qliu@draco.rutgers.edu
From: castel@chris.inria.fr (Nathalie Castel)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: French assistant in the U.S.
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:46:11 GMT
Organization: Inria France (Sophia-Antipolis)



Could someone please tell me how to apply for a position as a french
teaching assistant in a high school or university in the U.S.A., in 
Canada or Australia ?

Thanks for any information !


Nathalie

castel@chris.inria.fr
From: goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Foreign Students are better prepared for GRE (!!?) Was: Gre scores
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:55:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: bode.1jus7dINNefu
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1993Jan24.132216.15867@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:

>I think that due to the large number of foreign students applying to US
>grad schools in the areas of CS and Engineering, our scores have to be
>higher (more competition).  I know that some Indian students study for 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
>the GRE for two years, while the avg. American student buys an example
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>test book a week before the test. :)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ 
                                   +---- Noted  B)

It is also a fact that in the US, the student can easily attend the numerous
"Review" classes offered whereas in many foreign countries nothing of that 
sort exists. My preparation in Malaysia for the GRE, for example, was 
limited to going through Barron's GRE Study Guide a month prior to the test. 

It should also be pointed out that even though in some countries, 
eg. China(?), Taiwan(?), India(?), students may prepare up to two years
for the GRE, for most of them, the classes would have to concentrate on the 
very basic "verbal"-type skills which the typical US student would already
have mastered for the SAT. Consider having to take the GRE in French 
or Russian. B)

Bottom line is that the GRE is actually a very tough hurdle for
foreign students, and in terms of GRE scores alone, the US students face
very little competition from foreign students.

Regards,

K.C. Goh

P.S.

>w0318@desire.wright.edu wrote:
>: Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?
>: W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
>
>and that of my friends, if you're not in the 95% or above on the Q and the A
>you might as well forget the top 20 schools.  And your Verbal needs to be 
>probably at least 80% as well.  I guess these fields are more competitive 
>as compared with the humanities.  If you're looking at top schools (CMU, MIT,
>Stanford) you'd better have close to perfect (2360 - 2400) GRE scores.

I know a person who had a 2360 total in GRE and was rejected by both 
Illinois-Urbana/Champaign and Cornell. So even pretty good scores 
are no guarantee, although low scores would certainly disqualify you.
From: rbear@oregon.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Conflict Resolution
Keywords: Conflict Resolution graduate program
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:36:00 GMT
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Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

What schools in the United States and Canada, especially west of the 
Mississippi, offer a graduate program in conflict resolution? 

rbear@oregon.uoregon.edu
From: patrickl@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:26:44 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1993Jan22.190814.10376@hellgate.utah.edu>, llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Loren Larsen) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.140906.6731@desire.wright.edu>, w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:
> |> I got my GRE scores back.
> |> 
> |> I don't know how to figure out whether I did 'good' or not, or mediocre or
> |> what...
> |> 
> |> Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?
> |> 
> |> W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
> 
> From what I know, you must be in the 80 or 85th percentile to be considered for
> Admissions here at Utah.  Since we are rather 15th or so, that might be higher
> than some other places.  A professor at Brigham Young University (which is 
> not ranked) called below 75th percentile "blowing it".  
>
> If you are in the 90's, you have a shot at really good schools (top 10).  If
> you are in the 80's, I would guess that's good enough to have a shot at the
> other places in the top 40.  I do know people in the 60's who have been 
> admitted to PhD programs at good schools though.  

When you talk about percentile scores, do you mean all three scores must 
be above a cetain score, or just one or two?

> It really won't get you in, but it can keep you out.  Regardless of what your
> score is, if the rest of your academic record is very strong, you still have
> a chance.
> 
> Loren

-Pat
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: zou@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chendong Zou)
Subject: GRE CS subject info.
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:29:32 GMT

One of my friend in China needs some info. about GRE CS subject, especially
if someone out there can tell me some books reviewing the exam. And also,
some info. about cs program in the US university, what kind of research
will most probabily get the support?

Thanx in advance, please reply in email.

-- Zou


Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: cads_remingt@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Elizabeth Remington)
Subject: Re: GRE
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:31:38 GMT




So it's sounding to me like low scores mean that u are immediately weeded out 
before your other credentials are given a chance.  That doesn't seem fair.  The 
GRE for me (and many others I would guess) is simply a test of how fast or slow 
I work.  I work slowly, don't get a lot of problems finished, and so my score 
is low.

My percentiles were  verbal: 34%   and  math:  53%

My GPA for my 1st BS in liberal arts was:  3.9 (translates to 4 Bs)
My GPA for my 2nd BS in computer science:  3.7 (translates to 2 Bs in Calc I&
  II, "A"(s) in all the computer classes).
And As in all the grad classes I have taken - 5 classes

DOES my GRE score mean i will not succeed in graduate school?  I doubt it.  It 
seems crazy to disqualify people soley on a test score.  Why isn't past school 
history a better indicator of grad school success?  

This puzzles me.
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Best schools?
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:24:57 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Well 'Top 10' is really hard to pin down.  You could look up something
called the 'Gourman Report for Graduate Programs' for Biology in
particular.  In the US I would think that the top 10 would include
schools like MIT, CMU, CalTech, Stanford, Illinois-Urbana, but there's
also a lot of Ivy League schools that probably have outstanding
Biology programs (Penn, Harvard, Cornell, Yale, etc.) especially since
some have outstanding Med Schools as well.

But at any rate, when you get your perfect GRE scores :) you may not
automatically get a scholarship, but most of these schools (and
almost all schools actually) give financial aid (Teaching Assistantship
or Research Assistantship).  This is especially true for Ph.D. programs,
however if you just want an M.S. degree, it may be tough to get money.
Also, you have to work roughly 20 hours a week in addition to your classes.
Of course, grades and recommendations mean a lot in addition to GRE scores.

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:06:18 CST
From: <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Avg. Ph.D. Admissions Times

In article <1993Jan22.042910.25978@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,
christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) says:
>
>As an eager applicant to various Ph.D. programs, I'm curious as to
>how long the schools keep us in suspense before they reject :(
>or accept :) us.
>
Carl,

Several years back I applied to U of Michigan, U of Chicago, Northwestern,
and U of Illinois-Chicago.  All but the last informed me of their
decision by April 15; Northwestern and U of C let me know before April 1.
In part, their timing was dictated by financial aid considerations.
They want to get good applicants to commit before a certain date, April
15 (I think).  If an applicant has not committed to attend by that
date, the school can offer his/her assistantship/stipend to another
applicant further down the priority list.

The University of Illinois - Chicago still hadn't contacted me as of
May 10 or so.  I had to call them to break the logjam in the grad
admissions office.

Good luck!

--Ray
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: What to shoot for?
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:54:21 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

John M. Wu (johnwu@netcom.com) wrote:
: (I'm starting to want to be the big fish in a lesser pond rather than
: a tadpole in an excellent pond.)
: #include <flameprotect.h>

Well, if you want to get an MS and that's it there's plenty of pretty
good schools I'm sure you'd have no trouble getting into.  I think the
'top' schools are best for those that are getting the Ph.D. due to
research orientation, professors, etc.  If you keep up the level you
got on the SAT on the GRE you should have no problem.  Personally, I 
went up a little on the GRE compared to my SAT scores.

I've never seen data, but I'd be curious if people score in the same
range on the GRE as they did on the SAT.  They have these tests down
to a science (ETS), so it's probably pretty close.  Don't expect a
98% on math, a perfect math GRE score (800) is a 96%!

As far as money for your MS, it's hard to come by unless you're a Ph.D.
student.  But if you got high scores and grades, etc., a good school
(that doesn't have a 'top' reputation) may give you $$$ just because
of your scores and grades.  You may have to work for it though. ;)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, most of the 'top' schools don't admit MS
students anyway.  They want students that go for the Ph.D. only.

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
From: rbb@cfm.brown.edu (Robert Bruce Bauer)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:08:08 GMT
Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

Well might as well add my 2 cents worth....
  It has been suggested that they look at you total overall GRE score. I believe 
they look at each areas test score and weight them differently depending on your
area of study. 600 Verbal score or higher might not be critical to for your 
acceptance if you are in the Physical Sciences. Likewise a 600 Math, might not 
be critical in the Humanites. 
 

   I do believe that a good score in the analytic reasoning is necessary for 
any field seeing as we are supposed to have fairly good analytic skills to 
be able to complete research. 

   I know that only about half the schools require/desire the Subject Exam.
Even so I think that may provide a better gauge of your ability. I know that 
I will not hear the end of this, but I am in Applied Math, and the Math subject
can't mean anything in my field.
-- 


Bruce Bauer
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Avg. Ph.D. Admissions Times
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:29:10 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

As an eager applicant to various Ph.D. programs, I'm curious as to
how long the schools keep us in suspense before they reject :(
or accept :) us.

Does anybody have any stats or rough ideas?  Are some schools quicker than
others.  Any info on Toronto, Duke, Penn, Indiana, Illinois would be 
especially appreciated!

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: agoodloe@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Alwyn Goodloe)
Subject: UPenn. and UT Austin Part time.
 
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:35:08 GMT

   I was recently considering relocating from the N. Va. area to other
areas of the country. Two  of the areas which I was considering was
Austin Texas and Phil. Pa. A particular attraction of each area was
the University of Texas and Penn. Each catalogue mentions that they
allow  part time students but do they in reality. No employee these days
 and especially not mine allows there folks to just take off and go to
school in mid day, most including mine will accomidate late afternoon
classes. Does anybody know how mmany part time students U Penn and
UT Austin have? (I would suspect that Austin is far more accomidating 
than Penn but thats just a guess.) What conditions are put on them,
some schools require that even MS students go full time for at least
two semesters for example. It may be possible for me to attend full time
in several years but  would like to obtain  the MSc. part time  and go
full time for the Ph.D.  Since my interests are in formal methods and
domain thory my options are limited as to where I can study and UT and
Penn are two of the six or seven options and the only ones with any
possibility of part time study.

Al Goodloe
agoodloe@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: GRE
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:18:08 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Juha Heikkila (jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi) wrote:
: Does anyone have any idea of how the scores - particularly the
: verbal - of non-native speakers of English are evaluated?

U Mass (grad CS dept.) said something about this I remember.  Basically,
they take it into consideration that you're not a non-native speaker
of English, but your Analytical or Quantitative score better
balance it out.

For instance, I think 2100 was about their average, so if you got a
500 on the verbal, you'd better get 800's on the other two!

I don't know how bad the GRE Verbal is for non-native speakers, because
I know people that don't speak English that well yet they got mid-700's
on the verbal!

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
From: wangj@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jie Wang )
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: GRE
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:06:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan27.094420.7068@klaava.Helsinki.FI> jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi (Juha Heikkila) writes:
>Does anyone have any idea of how the scores - particularly the
>verbal - of non-native speakers of English are evaluated?
>
>
>   Juha Heikkila            jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi



It depends on the school you are talking about. Five years ago when I applied, I had
a pathetic v. score:320. I was applying Johns Hopkins's applied math program which
is one of the top 10. It seems that they did not care much about the score and were
more concerned about my spoken english. Finally I got the admision with tuition
waiver. So if it is obvious that you are not a native engilish speaker, and you are
applying programs in science and engineering, the v. score is not as important as
to native speakers.


--j.wang
From: jjiao@pepper.rutgers.edu (Jia Jiao)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re:GRE
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:24:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



    Here is some of my observations concerning GRE scores: (From the
point of view of Computer Science):

 1. It's important but not critical, especially the verbal part. Say
if you have prefect GPA, strong letters of recommendation, plus an 800
on the math part, you should not be afraid to apply to some place like
Berkeley if you have a not-so-good-but-still-ok verbal score of around
600. (But I guess you have to have an 800 on the math part.) Plus, MIT
 does not use GRE at all. (they won't look at
it even if you supply it.)

2. Generally a better school requires higher GRE score, but it also
depends on some other factors, e.g. the size of the program. Consider
the case of U of Illinois vs. Duke. Generally speaking,   Illinois has
on of the top CS program and Duke has one that is good but not in the
top 10. But according to their own data the average GRE for successful
applicants to Illinois is around 2000-2100 vs 2200+ for Duke. I think
it's partly because Illinois's CS Dept is so huge that it can accept
a large number of students, vs. only a very small number for Duke.
From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Looking for a list or two
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:45:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I'm planning on going to grad school next spring semester. (I never understood
why it's called spring when it starts in the middle of winter...) Anyways,
I am thinking of putting out three applications, to three progressively harder
to get in schools.  I don't know the ranking however. Is there a list 
somewhere of the ranking of schools, maybe 50 or so.  Oh yeah, I'm planning
on studying CS (AI in particular).  I figure that if I blow chances of getting
into the top 25, I'd like to prevent applying to two from the top 25, since
they most likely have similar admissions standards.

				Blah blah blah,

						David Hahn


-- 
David Hahn
University of Wisconsin : Milwaukee 
hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu