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From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 27th January...Old Trafford...Man Utd V Nottm Forest
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:18:50 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

P.D. Wardle (P.D.Wardle@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote:
: After doing the double over Man Utd last season and effectively depriving them
: of the championship, (I am of course talking about Nottm Forest) I'd like a few
: opinions from all those peeps out there about the match Mottm Forest V Man Utd
: on Wed 27th January.

: I am fed up of all this talk about whether Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc..
: are the best..... they're ALL crap. So there you go.

: I am awaiting any opinions of how many Forest are going to stick past those two
: sticks protected by the Mancs....

: I'll tell you one thing, though... Man Utd won't win the league for another 26
: years at least *8-)!!!!

: Yours,

:       P.D.Wardle (Brian Clough's left hand man)
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: " He who can does...            |  Paul   |  University of Newcastle Upon Tyne
:   he who can't teaches..."      |  Wardle |  EMail : P.D.Wardle@ncl.ac.uk
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shit! You're right! I've been deluding myself!

No more United. It's.........WIMBLEDON for me from now on!

Thanks Paul for helping me see the light. :-)

Dave
From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: #############  UK fans, PLEASE GO!  ##
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:33:07 GMT

In article 28530@newsgate.sps.mot.com, altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer) writes:
>In article 1416@dsbc.icl.co.uk, Dave Parry <dvp@dsbc.icl.co.uk> () writes:

>>Football (not soccer!!!) is a game of passion and it incites passion
>               ^^^^^^
>
>Oh come on Dave, you Brits coined the term "soccer" (nee Association 
>Football) in the 19th century to distinguish the game from the equally
>popular Rugby League Football.  On the whole I agree with your sentiment,
>and would gladly share a brew with you to discuss whatever-you-want-to-
>call-it.
>

BOLLOCKS!

The British **HATE** the term SOCCCER! IT is football!

This rubbish about the British inventing the name to save
confusion is pure crap.

For Rugby League we use "Rugby (League)"
For Rugby Union we use "Rugby (Union)"
For Association Football we say "Football"

Without doubt the term "Soccer" comes from the USA, who
needed it because they had invented "American Football",
which they just had to call "Football" even though feet
hardly come in to it.

---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Fanzines
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:28:22 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

To: D.V.Parry.bra0121@uk.co.icl.oasis
CC: a.j.amsel@uk.ac.ex.cen
In-reply-to: D.V.Parry.bra0121@uk.co.icl.oasis's message of Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:35:23 GMT <9301211735.AA29782@getafix.oasis.icl.co.uk>
Subject: LOOK --> FANZINES
--text follows this line--

This is a letter a posted about a problem Wolves have had with our fanzine.
It outlines really what clubs feel about them, unfairly. Anyone else
with similar stories ?

1st some backround on Wolves.
Wolves supporters are very fickle, and tend to be pleased one minute and
pissed off the next. Even more so than other fans. With Wolves doing nothing
in cup or league in 4 years, and with the team reverting to far too much long
ball in recent games, many chants of Turner Must Go are to be heard. However,
many people don`t want fans getting on the managers back so chant Graham
Turner`s Gold and Black Army.
Got it so far? Good.
ALOB, which stands up for Graham Turner, and gives views for and against
him, came with two pin badges last issue.
One said, Turner must go and the other was Graham Turner`s Gold and Black
Army. This, as the fanzine said in its editorial, was a pisstake of the fans.
The idea was you wear one or the other, or even better wear both and cover
the relevant one up when Wolves score/concede a goal.
But a prat at the club decided to ban ALOB from the ground for expressing
views not relevant to the club !!! WHAT ????
It turns out that he never read the fanzine, and was just being a complete
git. Especially as the fanzine STANDS UP FOR GRAHAM TUNER. Well, it used to.
It probably won`t bother anymore.

 ------------------------------------------------------------
 | This is sent to your courtesy of Alex Amsel incorporated |
 ------------------------------------------------------------
 |  We`ll keep the Gold Flag Flying high. Oooh Bully Bully  |
 |          W A N D E R E R S   A R E   B A C K             |
 ------------------------------------------------------------
From: stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gillingham
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:20:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1993Jan20.165217.25126@news.vanderbilt.edu>, LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
|> Can anyone out there tell me what division Gillingham (sorry about the
|> misspelled title) plays in and how they are doing?  (I know Huddersfield Town
|> sent them out of the FA Cup 2-1 in a replay.)
|> 
|>   |
|> --+-- Andy Lipscomb
|>   |   lipscoja@(ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu,vuctrvax.bitnet)
|>   |   Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.


Sorry to say that Gillingham are currently in the Third Division and are currently
92nd in the football league, the bottom of the pile, proping up the rest,
writing their re-election forms, downgrading their ground for the V.C.,
selling supporters to make money and playing crap.

Sorry about the bad news.

mik
From: simonh@napier.uk.sun.com (Simon Hunt - Sun EHQ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: div. 3 relegation?
Date: 15 Jan 1993 17:17:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd
Distribution: world
Reply-To: simonh@napier.uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: napier.uk.sun.com

Hi.

Does anyone on the net know what is happening about the team that finishes bottom 
of div. 3 this season (currently Gillingham)?  I suspect that there will be no
relegation to the Conference as Maidstone United (Gillingham's former local rival
team) folded before playing a game.  It will be poetic justice if our local rivals
keep us in the league!  (Of course, we've not finished bottom yet.  It's probably 
too late to win the division, though...)

I seem to remember that there was talk of another Conference team going up at the
beginning of the season to take the 'Stones place.  But this didn't happen...

Thanks in advance


simon.hunt

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From: yhartojo@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Francis Hartojo)
Subject: Home cities for Italian teams.
Organization: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:37:34 GMT

     Hi soccer fans, I have a somewhat unusual question for you.  I've been
following Italian league soccer quite closely in this newsgroup and whenever
I can on TV, but I don't know some of the teams' home cities.  Of course,
there are some very obvious ones like:  Milan, Inter, Torino, etc., but what
about Juventus or Sampdoria?  I'd really like to know their home cities in
case they're playing their town rival, if there's any.

     Thanks in advance.
--
+----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
| Francis Hartojo                  | Bitnet:   AUYXH@ASUACVAX.BITNET       |
| Comp. Science & Engr. Department | Internet: YHARTOJO@ENVMSA.EAS.ASU.EDU |
| Arizona State University         | Phone:    (602) 921-1342              |
From: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Any news on Anglo- Italian Cup
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:14:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: pinhigh.aus.sun.com

Can someone out there assist me with the latest situation in the 
Anglo-Italian Cup.

Specifically, can anyone tell me how the Mighty "Rams", (Derby 
County) are faring in the Cup.

I seem to recall the last result I saw was Derby (which was several 
months ago) defeating an Italian team(I think it was Roma, but 
I'm not sure).

Also, does anyone have a match report from the latest round of 
the FA Cup. 

It seems that 1992-3, maybe the turning point for the Rams in 
FA Cup competition

Their AWAY form seems to be EXCEPTIONAL this year both in the 
Cup and the League

Arthur Cox and Roy "the Boy" McFarland, seem to be doing a 
good job, though no doubt the Ram fans must be a bit dissapointed 
about their form at the Baseball Ground.

Also, Arthur Cox has been the manager for quite some time now, 
can anyone tell how long he has been at Derby.???

Regards  Peter.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: se03@titus.nextlab.cs.qub.ac.uk (Keith Armstrong)
Subject: Re : UK fans please go.
Keywords: Re : UK Fans please go
Organization: University of Oulu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:35:38 GMT

I'll drink to that!!!


	Stephan.
From: JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA offseason playing
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:17:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.144905.2397@walter.bellcore.com>,
lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>In article <1k76rdINN94g@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield) writes:
>>
>>From Feb 1, 1993 Soccer America:
>>
>>"I will place articles in the press.  I will hold press conferences.  I
>>       will take the fight to Congress.  All I need is for you to tell
>>       me to go ahead."  --US Soccer executive director Hank Steinbrecher
>>               telling NCAA Div I men's coaches he will lead the fight
>>               to lift the ban on college players playing outside ball
>>               during the school year.
>>
>>To me this sounds like a great idea.  NCAA a good slap in the face (or kick
>>somewhere else) so that they realize that they are destroying US Soccer.
>>
>>~r .scoff
>>
>
>The slap in the face is on the players, what ever happened to "Student Athletes"
>or will this be a new "study abroad" program.  I sure hope the NCAA doesn't
>become a minor league for yet another professional sport (basketball, football),
>
>I guess these players will go use up their elligibility "for the good of
>US Soccer" and be left four years later without a degree or the means to
>complete it.
>
The plain fact is that soccer and other NCAA minor sports are being
made to pay for the abuses of smashball and basketball.  We don't
prohibit a member of the marching band from playing in an outside
group.  What right does the NCAA have to control the outside lives
of college students.  Clearly, coaches should be prohibited from
requiring excessive training outside the season.  But the decission to
participate in outside leagues should be the athletes not the NCAA or
any other governing body!
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: man utd v qpr?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:22:09 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

In article <1993Jan19.165645@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens) writes:
>
>Also pity to see the violent side of football demonstrated by QPR.  Probably 
>down to lack of usual players.  I didn't quite see what Fergie got worked up 
>about on the Sinton challenge.  That guy couldn't, never mind wouldn't, hurt  
>a fly.

Couldn't hurt a fly?!?! I bet Paul Parker doesn`t see it like that!
Blimey! When I saw it on Sportsnight last night it looked for a moment
like poor old Paul's most sensitive parts had been trodden on by Sinton.
Replays from other angles showed that Sinton's boot was a couple of inches
to the right, and hit Parker's thigh. Not that I think it was deliberate
of of course, but one look at Parker's face during the challenge should put
paid to talk of "couldn't hurt a fly". Ouch!

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <B.O.C.Munro@bnr.co.uk> (Note new address)
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Mansfield v Burnley
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:37:05 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

Mansfield   1  :  1  Burnley

Classic British weather for football.  Cold, windy and raining.  Game was a complete
shambles.  Couldn't get in the visitors seats so had to stand on the open terrace.

Burnley's Joe Jakub sent off after 9 mins for an off the ball incident.  Didn't want
to go though, so eneded up with 5 mins injury time.  Burnley took lead from a 
Pender header after about 20 mins.

Second half was all Mansfield as Burnley tired.  Equalizer came in the 87th min.
Don't know who scored,  just another long drive back in the rain with two
points lost.

mik  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Subject: Another day, another team...Spurs vs. Ipswich
Keywords: Yuk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:29:00 GMT

On Sunday Spurs played away at Norwich, erstwhile Premier League
leaders, and completely outplayed them in the second half, creating
numerous excellent chances and giving Norwich keeper Brian Gunn one of
his best games of the season. Spurs won 2-0 in a brilliant display of
fast-moving, alert, "triangles" football with passes zipping accurately
from player to player, scything through the Norwich defence (well, it
seemed pretty good to me!)

On Wednesday night, Spurs played host to the other East Anglian team -
Ipswich, who are doing well enough in the Premier League but haven't
enjoyed the tremendous success of their hated neighbours. We produced
hardly a shot worth the name, just a couple of messy goalmouth
incidents, hardly put two passes together all game, and lost
(deservedly) 2-0.

Will the REAL Spurs please stand up!!!

I suppose the absence of Durie after his knock depleted the team a
little, but we had been no better than even up until that point. Full
marks to Ipswich for doing their homework and closing down Spurs on the
night; they'd obviously seen the Norwich match on TV and knew not to
give Spurs time or space in midfield. Samways never managed to get his
passing game together and Allen was almost invisible. Barmby had none
of the wit and sharpness he'd displayed in the TV game and Sherringham
was, well, the same as usual!

The one bright point was Anderton's performance, although why he can't
start playing until we're behind is a bit of a mystery to me.
Scooby-dooby-dooooooooo! Roll on Saturday, and Palace, for a relegation
6-pointer!

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: susan@umuc.umd.edu
Subject: RE: World Cup Finals, 1966
Organization: The University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:40:43 GMT


  July 30, 1966,  Wembley...It was England 4,
    West Germany 2.   3 England goals by Geoff
    Hurst (Peters scored the other England goal).
    Hurst got his third, the term's fourth, in the
    final minute of extra time.

    100,000 was the att.


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From: pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Subject: Re: EVERTON
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:20:47 GMT

In article <C1GpuE.Ix6@cs.dal.ca> wadhwa@cs.dal.ca writes:
>I am a huge Everton fan, but I have lost touch with English soccer for two years.
>Could any one post the current Everton lineup. Thanks.
>
>
>P.S. Everton has been in the Premier League (First Division) longer than any other
>English soccer club, and plan to stay there.
>    
>     Everton for 1993-1994 League championship and F.A. Cup
Without wishing to sound racist it has to my attention that I cannot
ever recall seeing a black player play for Everton.
Could anyone prove me wrong as this has been quite often discussed
and an answer would be of great interest.
Cheers

* Mr.MR.Powell, Chemistry Department,     *   "WAHEY!"       *
*  University Park, Nottingham, NG7 2RD   *  - E. Morecombe  *
*   ENGLAND                               *                  *
From: mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Keywords: Arsenal
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:34:39 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Could somebody please give me the name and subscriptionaddress for the best
Arsenal FC-fanzine ? Hard to get ahold of that here in Norway...

Thanks in advance,
Morten

(oh, and please: send email to me as this newsgroup is just too big for me to read
through it, considering the time I can afford to spend with News every day... :(
From: apc@getafix (Andy P Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: TEST
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:28:23 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

clgs17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> This is just a test

So is this
From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs to sign Salenkov
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:29:42 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1993Jan20.164358.15297@cs.wisc.edu> solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) writes:
>   It's my understanding that any ex-USSR player is free to
>choose what new country he will be playing for. However, Russia
>has plenty of talent and apparantly is not interested in the
>service of Salenko. So he doesn't have much of a choice.
>Michael.

Also his last name hints his Ukrainian nationality.

Michael.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: paulf@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Frankland)
Subject: Re: ############# UK fans, PLEASE GO! ###############
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:29:49 GMT


>In article <1993Jan26.115640.14311@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

Mischa writes:

>>You still don't get it? English soccer is technically and tactically INFERIOR
>>to European soccer. It's a lot of trouble first having to get through all 
>>that only-important-to-you crap, so why don't you just create an own newsgroup?
>>Or aren't there enough English soccer-fans to do that?

But where will you be sending your articles, Mischa? Would you slag
off the terrible english in rec.sport.soccer.albania.bollocks or
rec.sport.soccer.uk? Surely it would spoil all your fun.

Paul Toronto
From: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: LIVERPOOL'S AMAZING ACHIEVEMENTS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS
 
Reply-To: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:09:27 GMT

Keywords:

     Liverpool's Honours 1973-1993
     =============================

--I have been studying the achievements of Liverpool F.C. over the last few
weeks and they are mind-boggling. No team will ever dominate the English
game that way Liverpool have done. Even in Europe, they were superior to
anything around winning two UEFA cups and four European cups in an 11 year
period. Teams of today would never have matched those great Liverpool sides.
Even the Milan team of today wouldn't be fit to tie their boots.

    Eng. League Champions
    ---------------------
     1973
     1976
     1977
     1979
     1980
     1982
     1983
     1984
     1986
     1988
     1990

    F.A. Cup
    --------
     1974
     1986
     1989
     1992

    League Cup
    ----------
     1981
     1982
     1983
     1984

    European Cup
    ------------
     1977
     1978
     1981
     1984

     UEFA Cup
     --------
     1973
     1976

         Cunno

       Martin Cunniffe, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com

	
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Origin of the word 'Soccer' (was Re: U
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:07:23 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Hey! You learn something every day!!!!

I still hate the word "Soccer" to refer to Football.

I mean imagine "SWSC" or "MUSC"

Not quite right is it...........

Up the Owls.....


---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
From: ewood@maths.tcd.ie (Gareth Hinds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Origin of the word 'Soccer' (was Re: UK fans...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:35:02 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

The origin of the word "soccer" is definitely of British origin. It was first
used when some bright spark was asked if he was going to play "rugger" that day
and replied that he would be playing "soccer" - a play on the phrase
"aSOCciation football", as it was commonly known in the mid-nineteenth century.

The phrase "soccer" was therefore in use before the Americans had even begun to
play it at all.

				Gareth
From: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (David MacManus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: EVERTON
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.

In article Ix6@cs.dal.ca, wadhwa@cs.dal.ca writes:
>I am a huge Everton fan, but I have lost touch with English soccer for two years.
>Could any one post the current Everton lineup. Thanks.
>
>

>P.S. Everton has been in the Premier League (First Division) longer than any other
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
English soccer club, and plan to stay there.
>-------------------------------------------

	sorry, Arsenal have been in the First (Premier League) since football
	resumed after the end of the First World War (wait for comments on how
	they bribed their way to be "promoted").
	I don't think that Everton are even the second longest survivors but I
	am sure other netters will know.
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USSF F@#$ing IDIOTS!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:15:50 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <18082@umd5.umd.edu>, jrobert@lab7.smcm.edu (Jess Roberts) writes:
> Explain to me, someone, please, why the USSF in it's infinite wisdom,  
>  
> scheduled the US-Denmark game for Super Bowl F@#$ing Sunday?  OK,, like there are that many Soccer fans in phoenix that are even going to go watch the US so they can get football highlights during the match?  Look, I bet that the USSF is going to cry and complain about coverage  
>  
> of the match.  Hey guys, even the Europeans, Asians, South Americans, Australians, and probably the Danes care more about the Super Bowl, then the 35 people that will be at Sun Devil Stadium.  Someone please help me out on this one, I'm just getting sick of defending my game in the US when they just screw it up like they do.  Any chance of getting UK citizenship, if you'll let me play for someone?
> 
> Jess
> "Goalkeeping-the only way to fly"


	We have this discussion every time the Super Bowl comes up.  Who cares
? If you plan to watch soccer,  it does not matter when is super bowl being
held.  In fact, I don't even know they are going to play on that date until you
mention it.
        I just hope Sportschannel broadcast the US game live.

Jack Teh

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