HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:15:44 GMT

In article <C19Lt4.IH7@ucunix.san.uc.edu> wanz@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zhangyong  
Wan) writes:
> >I don't think so. I don't think a teacher in China makes 2000 dollars a  
year.
> >(yes, Mr. Zuo was also talking about dollars.)
> >
> >Carl
> 
> A simple arithmetic will tell that a taxi driver can NOT make 20,000 US 
> dollars a year.  The current rate of taxi is 1.60 RMB/km with 14.40 RMB
> minimum (9 km's), which is approximately $2.  To make $20,000 a year, he or 
> she has to make $60 a day, and so has to carry 30 passengers or drive 
> 250 km a day, without even mentioning the expense for gas and maintenance 
> of the vehicle.  It is even not that easy to make $60 a day in this 
> country if you don't have a regular job.

Well, ask Mr. Zhiqi Zuo. He said he met a Taxi driver who makes $20,000 per  
year.

Carl
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:22:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: arizona.1993Jan26.172255.4291
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

I have a lot of trouble following what zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
was trying to say in his many different versions of the same post.
Now, it becomes clear when in <C1HHCL.DtI@news.iastate.edu>,
zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) has these(underlined by me) extra words put in:
>Right now, the statements, which are not very persuasive, by the 
>investigation group is very likely much stronger than the evidences that 
>they got: if a balckbox is missing, it's not easy to find the major cause 
           ---------------------------------------------------------------
>for an airplane crash, by some naked observation and through the debris.
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Exactly what I have suggested in one of my previous post, a follow-up to
the news about Hughes' praise of the excellent co-operation they got in
the investigation. Of course, unlike an aircraft crash, there is no
blackbox which can be claimed missing as before, but telemetry data
and video tape can be erased. Even debris can be hidden, especially when
there is the added benifit of "inadvertent technology transfer". If
Partriot technology can be transfered, why not the satellite's.

Of course, there is still nothing to worry about. Even now, who can
say the causalty figure of only 23 people is false?
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: woman
From: <HAOGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 23 Jan 1993 13:12:12 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

This is one of the most outrageous articles I have ever read. This and some
other follow-up articles demonstrate the
years of Chinese and other Asian cultural traditions of belittling women on
the part of men and treating as mere property. Furthermore, it is a view held
by many men even if they have been in the American culture for many many years
as can be seen by some of the followups. This makes feel very sad for those
posters for their wit and intelligence are not used to enhance human dignity
but to advocate inequality. One wonders whether these people are friends or
foes of Chinese democracy and freedom.
In article <1jjv84INN8k@menudo.uh.edu>, zhangn@violet.egr.uh.edu (Zhang) says:
>
>Hi Everybody,
>  The following is an article found in soc.culture.vienam about woman. It
>is kind of funny.  I thank Khoi Nguyen M for allowing me post in schk.
>
>                                   WOMAN
>                            (A chemical Analysis)
>
>Element: woman
>
>Symbol: Wo
>
>Discoverer: Adam
>
>Atomic Weight: accepted as 118 but is known to vary from 100 - 160 lbs.
>
>Occurence: surplus quantities in all urban areas.
>
>Physical Properties:
>    1) suface usually covered in painted film
>    2) boils at nothing, freezes without reason
>    3) melts if given proper treatment
>    4) bitter if used incorrectly
>    5) found in various states, ranging from virgin metal, to common 'ore
>
>Chemical Properties:
>    1) possess great affinity for gold, silver, platinum, and precious
>stones
>    2) able to absorb great quantities of expensive substances
>    3) may explode spontaneously if left alone with a male
>    4) insoluable in liquids but activity greatly increased by saturation
>in
>       alcohol
>    5) yields to pressure applied to correct points
>
>Uses:
>    1) highly ornamental, especially in sports cars
>    2) most powerful money-reducing agent known
>    3) can be a great aid to relaxation
>
>Tests:
>    1) pure specimen turns a rosy tint if discovered in natural state
>    2) turns green if placed beside a better specimen
>
>Caution:
>    1) highly dangerous except in experienced hands
>    2) illegal to posses more than one except in certain areas
>(California, etc.
>
>
>        by KL.
>
>
>
>jnz
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34967 comp.sources.wanted:5763 alt.sources.wanted:2094
From: wzhuang@cs.dal.ca (Wendy Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wanted
Subject: More on English Grammar Checker
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:28:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


In article <C14qt5.Jvr@cs.dal.ca> I wrote:
>
>
>I was told that there was some software or package to check English grammar
>(not only spelling) for a written article. Does anybody know how and what
>I can get for this purpose? Any information is appreciate.
>Wendy

Since I posted the above message, I got quite a few replies. Here I would
like to say thank you to those friendly friends on the net. Some of replies
gave useful informations, while some expressed their same interests.

Here I want to make the question more clear: I am right now using UNIX or
VAX to edit an article. Like the command "spell" to check the spelling, 
is there similar "thing" to check grammar?

When I got the answer, I will share the information with those friends who
have mailed me and asked for.

Thanks for whatever help and happy Chinese New Year!

Wendy
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Trilateralists
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:29:14 GMT

Repost without permission.

From ulowell!news.bbn.com!olivea!uunet!noc.near.net!usenet.ccur.com!harty Sat Jan 23 19:27:11 EST 1993
Article: 21617 of alt.conspiracy
From: harty@westford.ccur.com (Kevin Harty)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: What the Trilateralists truly intend
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:05:23 GMT
Reply-To: harty@westford.ccur.com (Kevin Harty)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.


 Posted for Pat Daly daly@ptltd.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------

"What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide
economic power superior to the political power of the nation/states
involved...As managers and creators of this system, they will rule the
future." -- Barry Goldwater, from his book "With No Apologies", 1979




"An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, is likely
to get us to world order faster than the old-fashioned frontal attack."
-- Council on Foreign Relations member Richard Gardner from his article
   "Hard Road to World Order" in CFR journal "Foreign Affairs", April 1974.
   (Gardner is now a Clinton advisor.  He was a former Deputy Assistant
   Secretary of State, and a former Ambassador to Italy)


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35268 soc.culture.europe:11455 soc.culture.indian:45652 soc.culture.pakistan:19911
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:49:49 -0500 
From: Adrian Chen <ac4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese (A mug's story)

Ladies and gentlemen,

    I am not trying to go against anybody.  But, personally, I think
this is getting WAY out of hand, and frame war is not necessary.

    I think all ideas and opinions are valuable, but some of them are
too radical, and started to hurt people's feeling.  It is true that some
Chinese from Taiwan tend to show off, but so do some Chinese from Hong
Kong and China.  I don't think every single Taiwanese is acting that
way, but personal experiences do tell me that it has become a fashion
among a desent number of Chinese from Taiwan, so do many Chinese from HK
in Canada.  I hate it.  It is sad, but it is true.  The action is wrong,
and lets face it.

    We just got to accept the fact that none of us are great. All of us
have our strenght and weakness, due to the enviroment we grow up.  We
are all CHINESE, and it is a great idea to bring up issues and problems
and discuss.  There's really no need of frame war.

    Beside this topic, some people mentioned about the economics
condition of China and Taiwan.  My opinion is that we all CHINESE,
either from China, Taiwan or HK, have a lot to catch up, compare to the
Japanese or the Americans.  We are getting better, but still have no
match against thses competitors economically.  (I know this is vague and
many people might not agree, but, once again, all of these are personal
opinions.)

A Chinese from HK     
   
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:03:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.172255.4291@arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>I have a lot of trouble following what zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
>was trying to say in his many different versions of the same post.
>Now, it becomes clear when in <C1HHCL.DtI@news.iastate.edu>,
>zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) has these(underlined by me) extra words put in:

My point was: don't take the Subject too seriously, when there are so many 
factors involved. I later found, from your response to Mr. Ding, we quite 
agreed with each other on this.

>>Right now, the statements, which are not very persuasive, by the 
>>investigation group is very likely much stronger than the evidences that 
>>they got: if a balckbox is missing, it's not easy to find the major cause 
>           ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>for an airplane crash, by some naked observation and through the debris.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re-explaination: there is no blackbox for the satellite, which makes the
investigation even more difficult and definite conclusions hard to be made.
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Exactly what I have suggested in one of my previous post, a follow-up to
>the news about Hughes' praise of the excellent co-operation they got in
>the investigation. Of course, unlike an aircraft crash, there is no
>blackbox which can be claimed missing as before, but telemetry data
>and video tape can be erased. Even debris can be hidden, especially when
>there is the added benifit of "inadvertent technology transfer". If
>Partriot technology can be transfered, why not the satellite's.

Does this mean that the subject line is not conclusive, since not many
evidences could be found under the circumstances?

>Of course, there is still nothing to worry about. Even now, who can
>say the causalty figure of only 23 people is false?

Are you refering to the tragedy in Guilin?  So, after all, guesses,
instead of conclusions, could have been made in both cases. You have 
the right to suspect as I do, but the conclusions may simply be 
untrue as mine. At least the article didn't show us a strong evidence
to conclude, after the satellite had been sent into the normal orbit
but missed later on. Judgements go to listeners.

>-- 
>Just call me `Man'. 
>"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
>raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: luo@usl.com (CNS-+Luo H.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:37:10 -0500
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoss.usl.com

test only
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35295 soc.culture.taiwan:17607 soc.culture.hongkong:17549
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:01:54 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1993Jan27.102746.3217@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk> b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:
>
>Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
>
>
>Great Era.


What I admired her most for was she was brave enough to get remarried.

Great woman.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zxu@lemming.syr.EDU (Xu)
Subject: Attn: CSS at Carneige Mellon University
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:22:38 EST

Hi, CSSs at Carneige Mellon University:

Can anyone studying in Carneige Mellon University tell me the phone # of 
Professor Ikeuchi at Computer Science Department? (Dr. Ikeuchi is
a leading scientist in computer vision).
If you are not a student at Computer Science Department, would you
please find the # for me from your university phone directory.

Your help will be greatly appreciated,


Z.Xu.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cunxiao@dec5240a.ccs.northeastern.edu (Cun Xiao)
Subject: Re: Xin1 Nian2 Kuai4 Le4 , Wan4 Shi4 Ru2 Yi4
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:18:18 GMT


> In article <C17JG7.K0v@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
>   From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
>   >In soc.culture.china, gtd033a@prism.gatech.EDU (Dedy Tando) writes:
>
>   >>         To all the chinese and non-chinese, ACS and non-ACS, blaa.....
>   >> 
>   >>   HAPPY    CHINESE        CHICKEN           NEW           YEAR        !!!!!!!!
>   >  Rooster!?  Hen?  Coak? ...
>   >  ^^^^^^^
>
>   I think CHICKEN is better, no sexual discrimination. I suspect the one who used
>   rooster first had something in mind. In Chinese Ji1 is exactly CHICKEN.

Nah. Without any sexual discrimination, roosters do look glorious, full of
energy, offensive, deffensive. If they are bullied by some one, they will
bravely fight and even to death. It is a very good metaphor.

If you say CHICKEN, who know what it is. A meat loaf?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Re: For your information..........
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:01:39 GMT

Dear Mustafa,

I personally feel nothing great in this. Muslims exists all over
India, not only in Kashmir. 

Remember one more thing. 

You cannot clap with one hand.  I don't know how you deny that Pakistan
had trained both Punjab terorists and Kashmir. 

Pakistan has always elminated Hindus in Pakistan. But India has
not. If India is doing some thing bad (I agree that it is bad, eg Bombay)
You should read the real reason. 

Don't see the fact narrowly. See it Broadly. It really does not matter
to any one whom realy Kashmir should have gone. TThe fact that it
is India and will be in India.

During Independence you muslims broke our Benbal, saying that
east Bengal will be better in India then in Pak. You were proved
totally wrong. India did not help Bangladesh to make Pakistan
week. It was because theyt really needed help. You really
cannot compare the situation of Kashmir and Bangladesh. Look at
the reality.

India's help to Bangladesh is not same as Pak help to Kashmir.  Here
Pak is clearly wanting to consume Kashmir, when it is itself holding
1/3 rd of it still (You deny it). Read Samit's reply. You don't even
recognise that China is also holding 1/3 of it. 

And what did India do incase of Bangladesh? Infact Protect the Killers
Pakistani army from bangladeshi killers. And then scilently walking out. 
Tell me, do you really feel that it will be same fate of Kashmir. Still
Bangladesh has 12% Hindus. I am sure that Kashmir like Pakistan will
have 0% Hindu population.

Now I will tell you some thing that a Pakistani friend told me.
You don't even treat the Indian Origin Muslims as first grade 
citizens in Pakistan. He himself said that he was getting a financial
grunt from pakistan to go to US, But because of his Indian origin 
he did not get it. 

You people are such that you don'teven treat muslim people outside
your group as Human beings.

What did you personally answer to the bangladeshi eligation on the
eve of their indipendence day? Didn't you defend pakistan?

My only advice to you. Stop this sheet. 

Realise this. Kashmir getting independence will bring the greatest
 catastrope in this subcontinent. India will not do the same mistake this
time. The mood in Bombay will spread through out India. Like Pakistan,
India will become )% muslim. 

So take it. Solution is not Breaking a country, But in uniting broken
country. I don't know about Pakistan. But bangladesh surely is going to
be a good friend of India. Now that the border dispute is over,
Only the water dispute is left. 


See broadly before you speak. Think of the consequence of other muslims
in India when youspeak like this.

Beleave me , They rae really speaking truth.
To Get Kashmir you have to accept one of the following
1) Neuclear holocaust.
2) )% Muslim population in India.

Is that acceptable to you? 

Why don't you take the Bihari Muslims in Bangladesh that are wishing
to migrate to Pakistan?

--
With regards
 
SUPRATIC GUPTA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:00:11 GMT

In article <C17w4A.2yE@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>...
>>When i asked my formal classmate in Shenzhen, his
>>response is: 10000$/year is only half of his income...
>
>Few days ago, a taxi driver in Shanghai told me that he eraned about 
>$20,000/yr. "I will retire in a few years, after I gain enough money.
>". He is only in his 30s(I guess from his appearance).

Furthermore the tax infrastructure in China probably is not very efficient yet,
so many of these guys are probably keeping nearly all of their income.

What is the income tax rate in China these days for high incomes?
Is there a yearly income report required?
From: ck883@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Zheng Cung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: the discrimination of AT&T
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:30:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


There is new:
to help sonsumers celebrate australia Day. AT&T said direct-dial residential cal
residential calls made from USA to Australia Jan. 25 and 26 will 
be priced at AT&T's economy period rates.
I wonder why chinese can't get 
these advantage when chinese New Year.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:08:39 EST
From: <CAOX@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test

test






Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@rhea.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Looking for Zhao MiJin of Beijing U. 8004
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:20:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: rhea.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

She graduated from Beijing #13 High School.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Show Down
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:25:35 GMT


In article <1k22e9INNnvs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes...
>In article <1993Jan24.225818.17236@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>>
>>In article <2B631096.7833@news.service.uci.edu>, ygu@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Yifan Gu) writes...
>>>In article <1jqjnkINNd98@shelley.u.washington.edu>
>>>chchen@u.washington.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>to help ?), a compromise was reached. The dancers agreed
>>>to stand ouside of the hall until the audienaces finished singing.  ...  "
>>
>>If those mainland dancers did become part of singing, wow, the Taiwan media
>>certinly will not miss the photo opportunity. Several years ago, Taiwan's 
>>delegation to the annual Asia Bank meeting which was held in Beijing,
>>Taiwan's delegates rose and listened the PRC natioanl anthem for "politeness".
>>And next day this "historical moment" :-) became a major news in China.
>  
>   That's just your imagination, No one will make such thing as a big
>news, not like Taiwanese, likes to do do such trickies, ask your
>mainland friend, who have ever heared this "big news".

I remember WJ mentioned TV and newspapers in China reported this news too.
Whether it is a "big" one, I dont know, I think I was in a funny mood, so
here is my apologies for the word "major".

To me, the disputes on national anthem and flag is silly.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen G.C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China--The value of teachers
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:17:04 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1993Jan22.154212.15261@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Edward Zhong) writes:
>
>it is also true in US. one of my friend drives taxi in nyc (with a MA degree :).
>he makes about $1000 in cash weekly which is equivalent a $70,000/year salary.
>but most of the school teachers only have a $15,000 income per year.
>
>i think the taxi drivers deserve the money by working more than 11 hours a day
>and worrying to be robbed or even be killed every minute on the road. i don't
                                                                       ^^^^^^^
>understand what make teachers deserve more, most of them don't know nothing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
anyway.
^^^^^^

 Then tell us what makes you look teachers down to the ground ?
 And, tell us what you know, anyway, anything. 

>=================================================================================
>Ed Zhong, Motorola Inc. (LMPS)      |  my money works for me;
>edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com            |  i work to make my money work for me.
---------


Guo-Ching Hsu    -- guohsu@cs.uregina.ca 
            ----------------------------------
                     DUM VIVIMUS VIVAMUS
            ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:11:58 GMT

In article <93Jan27.115308est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.162031.1443@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan27.150329.29166@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes:
>>>Great Era (b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk) wrote:
>>>
>>>: Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
>>>
>>>
>>>: Great Era.
>>>
>>>Great lady.
>>
>>Why?
>
>because she's probably among the very few in both KMT and CCP continue
>to follow Dr. Sun's guidelines after his death, both KMT and CCP brasses
>should ashamed of their infighting and power grabbing since then.  

Could some netter tell me more about Madam Sun? China's XinHuaSher says
she devoted herself to people's democratic revolution, socialism
revolution and construction, and that she guarded world peace, promote
human progress, not selfish, brave ...

Still I have no idea what she has done to be respected by Chinese so much.
This is not a flame to Madam Sun. I just want to know more about her.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china