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From: DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:46:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba
  <76314@apple.apple.COM> <1993Jan10.082123.15576@netcom.com>

Bob "I hate it when you drive me to this" O'Bob wrote:
>
>	So, while I agree that it would be foolish to reach
>	a conclusion about a person based on that person's 
>	postings (some exceptions can be made), it is even
>	more foolish to ignore the fact that the person's
>	postings constitute data which should be integrated
>	into an eventual conclusion, if one is needed.
>
	Personally, I like people who are *consistent* on line and off line.
If I find in person they are the same as what their postings tell me they are
on line, then I will like them. (Unless they are consistently obnoxious on
or off line). I can get a feeling that I know where they are coming from. 
And that kind of people I know I can do business with. People who display a 
different personality in person (doesnt matter if it is a friendly personality
or not) bother me. I find it hard to have the initial trust in them, and 
consequently I find it difficult to like them (not that being liked means 
anything to these individuals, I realize that), because I dont really know 
where they are coming from, or if they let the hostile monster hidden in their 
subconscious loose on line and in in-person social situations they check that 
monster at the door...

	[I am not talking about the inconsistancy in their opinions of things,
but rather the general disposition, or - err - the 'attitude' of the person]

>	In closing, the communication media we are discussing
>	is bidirectional.  What one brings to it, gets out of
>	it, and/or understands from it is dependent on a set
>	of conventions and protocols employed by the users.

	I think people more often than not 'react' to others; they behave
	like a mirror - if you are nice to me, I am nice to you, if you
	are hostile to me, I am hostile to you. And that's the protocol...
	I see the same in this group... Now. if the goal of the group is
	to share, discuss, inform, and exchange ideas, then I dont see why 
	hostility has a place in this particular group.

	[heh. wait til I am in the mood to flame somebody. then all bets are
	off. I can be a hypocrite, too, ya know ;-) ]
>
>	Bob "I hate it when you drive me to this" O'Bob

---
/bruce
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Aww shit! ...another one(was: Re: Oxymorons, and other important..)
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:14:58 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu


>In article <1993Jan5.234231.21202@oracle.us.oracle.com> akao@.com (Adam Kao) 
>babbles incessantly:

Well, *someone* babbles incessantly... as Kenn said, it's fairly obvious to
the old-timers just who is doing the babbling.  The only surprise to me
is that she's still going on about the same things.

>>*plonk*, loosely, means "you are so clueless that it would take me a
>>long time to explain to you how clueless you are," which applies to
>>everything posted to this thread by.... 

In article <C0Fx03.98B@amd.com> jmw@angelo.amd.com (John Wincn) writes:
>[a lot of pointless babbling mercifully deleted here]

>*Sigh* ...yet *another* net.ignoramus who presumes that verbose, pointless,  
>idiotic rambling somehow demonstrates a superior ability at artful insult  
>and intelligent conversation.  Where do they all come from, anyway?!?  

Well, this one is an old one, it appears.  And if you scramble this
person's real name, it turns into the most appropriate anagram I've
ever seen: Hot Denial (even the capitals come out in the right place).
Welcome back, Diane.



--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Subject: Re: Chicks 'n Dudes '93 - "The List"
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:25:25 GMT

In article <16263@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>
>I was one of the people asking for the RSVP list.  I had a rather unique
>reason for doing it.  I thought it might be kind of fun to come up with
>little name tags for people attending.  Rather than "Hello: My name is
>johnf@auspex.com" I thought it might be fun to include a snippet from 
>peoples .sig files, a memorable quote, or just a perceived net.personna
>could be printed on it.  Let those that meet you figure out you are.  Lurkers
>would just a picture of an ear or something.   I've asked a couple of other
>people about helping with this as if I am going to be sufficiently insulting
>I would rather it would be a group effort.

I think it would be amusing to have folks do their own, if they like.
Marvin provided tags and pens at the Boink at John Dough's, as I recall,
and those who wished to wear a tag were welcome to do so.  I met an
interesting lurker via his tag, which read "Johnny".

I'm not one of those who would be likely to wear a name tag, even one
as unique as yours sound like they would be.  Part of the problem is
that 1) Few people would be likely to recognize anything you could put
on mine that's pertinent (well, besides my name or email address), and 
2) It encourages more conversation, and as it is, people complain about 
being interrupted while chatting, anyway.

Seems like it would be more fun as a game, anyway, sorta like Pictionary.
Have one person go to the whiteboard and draw, and everyone else guess
which net.personality it is.  The personality wouldn't even have to be
present, although it might be funnier if they were.

Hmmm, I can think of a good picture for you, John - maybe I should attend
the Boink?  8-)

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From: tim@sybase.com (Tim Wood)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:58:50 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <76145@apple.apple.COM> erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>
>To [Desiree], an "enemy" made on the net extends into real life - 
>you completely
>forgot that the net isn't real life, and that people often display completely
>different personalities on the net than they do in person.
>

I think this may be the single most destructive assumption that people
have about the role of the net.  The net is a meeting of minds.  Those
who repeatedly post in hostile, inane, <place other adjectives of interpersonal
distaste here> ways only display themselves as marginal people.  I have
a nice list of people to avoid at any future boink that they and I
happen to attend.

One can't excuse an obnoxious personality with the plea that "it's only
the net, we're just playing with our computers here, aren't we?"  I
expect to be held to what I post (and email and say and do) and hold
others to the same standard.  A lot of hostility could be avoided if
people would act as if what they said and did and wrote mattered.
Thanks,
-Tim

--
Tim Wood / Sybase, Inc. / 1650 65th St. / Emeryville, CA / 94608  510-596-3500
WORK:tim@sybase.com     {sun,pyramid,pacbell,{uunet,ucbvax}!mtxinu}!sybase!tim
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Dis claim er dat claim, what's da difference?  I'm da one doin da talkin' hea.
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: Apology, and Good-Bye
Organization: Don't blame me, I voted for Bill 'n' Opus
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:30:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.091737.17583@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.060547.23181@oracle.us.oracle.com> akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:
>[... 100+ lines deleted ...]
>
>Well, that seals it.  It's not Diane for sure.  Diane would never say she
>was wrong or make apologies.

Butbutbutbutbut.....you're not going to let an *apology* stop the
flame-war are you?!

PS: If I were Diane, and if I were intelligent, I might do something
like this to throw off the scent....
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Virtual anniversary: 7 days ago
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Singles services - Together
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:17:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: a2i network

iree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne) writes:

> (Craig Browning) writes:

>>I bet there would be a lot of people interested in any experiences
>>ba.singles members have had with singles matchmaking services.

>Oh lord, Craigster, please don't start that thread again...
>
>[Company called "Together"]
>>The justification for the cost is their claim to do compatibility matching
>>on a number of personality issues and interests. They say they don't use
>>computers at all, and that they have 8000 members in the bay area.

>Craig, how do they do the compatibility matching without a commputer?
>How many questions do they have?  Three, four?  Seems to me with that
>many people as subcribers of the service, they'd have to use a computer
>to match people, or it would take forever.  Course, I'm assuming that
>they use something a bit more sophisticated than pulling names of a
>hat...

Yeah right "Desiree" ...

>>I do not know any way to confirm that. They claim to be more oriented 
towards
>>matching for relationships than Great Expectations, which they paint as a
>>dating service (and members of GE I've talked to agree).

>Ask them for references. If they won't give them, wonder.  
>Check them out with the BBB.  Seems to me if you can't find out more
>about them, don't do it.  Just give me the money and I'll hook you up
>with five dates...  (Oh Julie!!!)

Yeah right ''Desiree''

>>Would anyone like to tell about their experience with this or anuother
>>introduction service?

>Go on Love Connection, or better yet Studs.  
>At least then we could watch you on TV and giggle.
>L&K,
>Desiree

I guess the giggle just about caps it all up.
 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:58:52 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan2.051032.13064@netcom.com> aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge) writes:
|bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
|
|>>
|
|>	Chicks 'n Dudes - Boink '93
|>>
|>I like it.  It's a good sexist title.
|>How about January 16th - Saturday night.  I'll call Harry's Hofbrau
|>in Mt. View.  They let groups use the back room for free.
|>While I do that, let's get the comments rolling.....
|
|	Sounds good to me. --Jackie--

Sounds good to me too.  It's awfully nice of ya'll to have a B'day party
for me but you're a couple of days late.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Condom
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:07:08 GMT

In article <1iv6nbINN100@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
>Can anyone tell me why they don't make padded condoms?
>

Not goin' near this one.  Nope.  Not me.  Ain't gonna touch it.
Uh-uh.  No way, Jose!  I'm outta here.
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: akao@.com (Adam Kao)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:42:55 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan4.190914.28635@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne) writes:

>	What's a *plonk* anyway?  You drop something?

You send followups to talk.bizarre but never read it yourself?

Ask drieux.


Adam
From: keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Chick 'n Dudes '93 - The Boink
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:09:55 GMT
Followup-To: ba.singles
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.233038.226@netcom.com>, bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
wrote:
> 
> OK, but I am going to bring the trapeze and the trumpet.
>

My eyes must be going... When I first read this I thought it said:

OK, but I am going to bring the trapeze and the strumpet.
----------------------------------------------->^^^^^^^^



Craig Keithley
Apple Computer, Inc.
keithley@apple.com
"I have absolutely no responsibility in this matter, what-so-ever"
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Summary: Heat seeking missiles
Organization: VideosRUs
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:09:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.180036.20201@oracle.us.oracle.com> akao@.com (Adam Kao)
 writes:
>Oleg states:
>>If you disagree with Libertarian views, argue them in the apropriate forum.
>
>Wahahahahaha!  *plonk*

	Oh, that was an intelligent and scathing reply...

	What's a *plonk* anyway?  You drop something?

Hats off,

Desiree
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: The Never Ending Circle (was Re: Duck and Jive (was Re
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:56:33 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Followup-To: ba.singles
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft

obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) writes:
>I think you've missed something, all right.  The stuff that keeps coming
>back around is NOT the important or interesting stuff, but the chaff and
>the crap.  *that* is what you'd really want to skip.

Important, interesting and relevant for the long run stuff rarely gets
posted on the NET, especially in chat groups, like this.  If it's really 
important, it will make its way into an FAQ.

>When I log on after an absence, I generally read every message that
>does not have "Re:" in the subject line.  Since nearly everything
>goes tangent right away, I still miss stuff, but such is life.

The thread heads usually ask questions.  The "Re:" follow-ups usually
answer these questions.  If you are interested only in a question, then
your strategy will work.  But questions will not teach you much new and
useful.  

-- 
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:26:43 GMT

In article <16203@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>Thanks for the warning about locus though.

Except for a few bizarre episodes of trying to bend over backwards for their
main customer, Locus was not a company that practiced censorship or was
particularly fascist.  They were on the record as being against employee
drug testing.  

-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Singles services - Together
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:37:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: a2i network

craigbr@informix.com (Craig Browning) writes:

>I bet there would be a lot of people interested in any experiences
>ba.singles members have had with singles matchmaking services.
...
>I spoke with a company called 'Together' for information.
>They aren't cheap, the cheapest package lists at $1995, $1595 with the
>'first-day' sign-up (you have to buy the day you meet them for this),
>with discounts to that negotiable - and this is for 5 (you can talk them
>into adding a couple to that) referrals, at one per month.
>The justification for the cost is their claim to do compatibility matching
>on a number of personality issues and interests. They say they don't use
>computers at all, and that they have 8000 members in the bay area.
>I do not know any way to confirm that. They claim to be more oriented towards
>matching for relationships than Great Expectations, which they paint as a
>dating service (and members of GE I've talked to agree).
>Would anyone like to tell about their experience with this or anuother
>introduction service?

Great Expectations ranges from $1500 to $3000 depending on the level
of membership (how long -- duration, other cities, etc).
I am not sure how GE is different from most other services, it may be
better because it gives its members the power to decide on whom to pick:
there are profiles & photos of all members, and 98% also have a 5 minute
video tape interview.  It's not so much a "blind date" as other servies,
like Selective Singles that I have heard of or familiar with.
Anyone else?
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: hjb@netcom.com (H. J. Bae)
Subject: Re: Cars and Other Fun Stuff (wasRe: Turning 30!!)
Organization: Peaceful Star Project
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:30:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.232743.401@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne) writes:
>	Exactly.  Which brings about a question.  How many people out there
>are happy being alone?  Just being alone. Doing things by yourself?

well it has its ups and downs. one can reasonably stay content for the most 
part.

>
>	The way I see it is if somebody is happy being alone, then they
>don't have a problem with being single either.  Thus, they are not
>influenced one way or another by the advertising media.  
>

true enuf... for the most part. for me it's not the advertising media
or other types of evil external influence that ruins the deep
satisfaction of being alone. more dangerous is the occasional internal
animal yearning to just have some warm body next to talk to. a trivial
event can set this reaction off -- simple things as raindrops leaking
thru the ceiling in the dark, making strange but regular, repetitive,
and finally pulsating noise -- all of a sudden one realizes that one is
sitting alone in the dark, with a bottle of jack, in the middle of a
cold warehouse one calls home, reading bukowski, __love is a dog from
hell__.  once the realization hits, one is screwed for the rest of the
night.  much gnashing of teeth follows, until various narcotic
substances neutralize one's agonizing soul of semi-consciousness. dire
events do happen if one decides to go out for a bit of human touch,
looking like a junkie fresh out of meth. clinic. one can scare a
homeless bum asking for spare change, which actually happened the other
night, while walking down the grand in oakland. until you've scared
someone that scares you, you don't know how far you've gone.
i better shut up, this is no alt.angst.

love
hwajin
-- 
Peaceful Star Project	hjb@netcom.com
2899 Ford Street	Available for peaceful, responsible work only.
Oakland, CA 94601	(510) 536-7607
From: smith@wesson.Eng.Sun.COM (Nina S. Smith - SunSoft Product Marketing)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Chicks 'n Dudes '93 - "The List"
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: smith@wesson.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wesson
Cc: johnf@auspex.com

In article 16263@auspex-gw.auspex.com, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.214729.5118@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
> 
>>  > Bob Becker explains why he's being a party pooper <

>little name tags for people attending.  Rather than "Hello: My name is
>johnf@auspex.com" I thought it might be fun to include a snippet from 
>peoples .sig files, a memorable quote, or just a perceived net.personna


So John . . . what's your tag going to be?  A picture of a worm 
or a weeniehead? :)

-- Nina 
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Apology, and Good-Bye
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:17:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.060547.23181@oracle.us.oracle.com> akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:
[... 100+ lines deleted ...]

Well, that seals it.  It's not Diane for sure.  Diane would never say she
was wrong or make apologies.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:49:55 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <76134@apple.apple.COM> erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
|In article <72872@cup.portal.com> DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong) writes:
|
|>	Oh well. I thought hostility was a guy thang, and goils often were
|>the providers of harmonizing energy in this world.  Tsk Tsk. My naivete.
|>I suppose I should re-read the Helen of Troy myth ;-)
|
|Either that, or Des has her X-Y chromosones mixed up.  Or she has permanent
|PMS.  Or ... or ... or ...  :) :)

Give it a fucking rest will ya.
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Gerg's a wimp, but Kaiser's a Doberman...
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:28:43 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <1993Jan4.230620.10800@fico.uucp> ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley) writes:
>> gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
>>erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>>>gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
>>>>erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>>>>>Hah!  Dobies are sweet dogs - if you know how to handle them.  Besides, most
>>>>>animals love me...they usually have better taste than their "masters".  hehe
>>>
>>>>Perhaps you taste better than their masters do.
>>>
>>>Perhaps so.  My last SO certainly thought so.  :)
>>
>>Er...uh...your last SO thought you tasted better than her master? 
>
>You know, I was wondering about that too!  But you have clarified everything.
>His last SO was a DOG!  I get it!  hehe

No, sorry.  She was very much human ... and very much female.  With the most
*gorgeous* blue eyes... <sigh>

Sorry to disappoint you...
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Gerg's a wimp, but Kaiser's a Doberman...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:12:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.055524.7632@netcom.com> gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
>Er...uh...your last SO thought you tasted better than her master? 

Where does it say that one's master should taste better than one's SO? 
"Better tasting" is not usually one of characteristics people seek in that
sort of relationships.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: mlw@cisco.com (Monica Waldman)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Colorado/Silicon Valley  (Was: Re: Timeless beauty)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:20:38 GMT
Organization: ()
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com

In article <1993Jan10.030039.27117@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:
>     My major observation is that the people in Colorado are a lot friendlier
>and helpful than the people here in Silicon Valley.  Some examples should
>suffice.

Perhaps the Coloradans were just happy to see someone spend money in their
state.

-- 
standard disclaimer, etc. ad nauseum

"A genius I'll call Biff - obviously not his name; in all of recorded time there
has never been, nor shall there ever be, a genius named Biff..." -- A. Tobias