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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and Alcohol: What's The Difference?
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:32:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:
: 
:  (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
: 
: > >   They're just scared shitless of someone getting the idea that LSD is 
: not
: > >in itself at all "cooler" that alcohol.
: > 
: > That's me--hipper than thou personified.
: > -- 
: > Pete Hartman                   Bradley University 
: 
: Someday I hope I can be like Pete, but right now I'm having a hard time
: just trying to be like me!
: 

I think I know what you mean.  I used to be different too but now I'm the same.

Bob
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From: dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon)
Subject: Re: Post-trip free association problems -- is this normal?
Summary:  My rules of thumb.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:02:55 GMT

In article <> krawchuk@cs.sfu.ca writes:
>
>(Keith Lewis) wrote:
>_________
>kl> [...]   I suspect that the true duration of an LSD
>kl> trip is much longer than people think.  

>I agree with this, though much of it might be a psychological reaction to

Dave Harmon's 3 thumbrules for acidheads:

1) The trip lasts 12-14 hours, as measured by the amphetamine-like
effects (I can't sleep).  The last 4-6 hours are pretty
uninteresting tripwise, but I'm still a bit shaky, not to mention
exhausted.  I also see an "afterglow" lasting one to two weeks
after the trip, when I see hints of sparkles or such from the
corners of my eyes, and find a generally fresher viewpoint on
life.  During this time, another dose will be somewhat less
effective.

2) Acid taken during a trip does not accumulate (much).  Ie, if
you take 1 hit, wait more than an hour, and take another hit, the
effect will not be 2 hits, but more like 1.1, with the duration
measured from the second hit.  (That is, your trip will be
longer.)

3) Acid taken more often than once a month or so can get you in
big trouble -- there isn't much tolerance at that scale, but the
*effects* accumulate slowly.  In effect, your mind gets softer and
softer, and *you* get wierder and wierder.  You might not notice,
but other people will.  I *think* this is reversable.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: mace / nutmeg
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:03:19 GMT

? writes:
: > 
: > I have heard mace and nutmeg (spice) are hallusinative
: > is it true ?
: > is there any danger in them ?
: > how much and how should one consume for it to be activ?
: > -liron
: 
: 		Well, as I understand it, the reason you feel something from nutmeg is
: because it anesthetizes your lungs -- it "freezes" them.  This also happens
: to be damaging, and therefore something you might generally want to avoid. 
: From those who do it, I get the general idea that smoking nutmeg really
: isn't worth it.
: 		As for effects & dosage, I haven't tried, so I can't say.

Huh? How does that happen - nutmeg is injested, not smoked. If you have
acquaintances who smoke the stuff, you should suggest that they learn a
little more about the drugs they are using - before they kill themselves.

Next thing you know, they will be attempting to shoot-up marijuana.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: MDAI, MDMI and others (anonymous)
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:45:19 GMT

In article anonymous writes:

>>If anyone has synthesized and/or ingested either 1-(3-Methoxy-4-methylphenyl)-
>>2-aminopropane or 5-Methoxy-6-methyl-2-aminoindan as per Nichols, et. all 
>>(J. Med Chem., 34, 1662-1668) please let me know.  Any information regarding
>>pharmacology would be especially appreciated.  The above paper states that the 
>>substances showed no evidence of causing serotonin depletion in rats, what are
>>the possibilities that the substances could cause damage to human neurons. 

It would be very unlikely unless you took an insane overdose.

>>Has any testing been done on the dimethoxyphenyl or dimethylphenyl analogues
>>of these chemicals; what is the likely outcome of switching the positions of 
>>the methoxy and methyl groups?

Don't know offhand.

>>I also had a question about watched chemicals.  Is the DEA going to come 
>>knocking if you only order small amounts of them, or do you have to order
>>enough for a production type lab before they get concerned?  I saw an older
>>list of watched chems. not to long ago, does anyone have a new list.  I imagine
>>all the x,x,x-trimethoxy-phenyl-x type things are watched, as well as all
>>the 3,4-methylenedioxy-phenyl-x, chemicals.  How about precursors for the 
>>first chemical above (3-methoxy-4-methylphenyl-x)?

It's not how much you order that makes 'em notice.  It's who you are
and what you order.  As a private individual, you'll likely have
trouble getting a company to sell you anything.  As a company or
university lab, you would want to concoct a legitimate reason to buy
watched precursors and then order other reagents in quantities
which square with your story.  I think it's too risky to be worth
your while.  In addition to any underground books you have (Loompanics
sells several), you might want to read Raymond McKinnon's "Investigative
Techniques of Controlled Substances Cases" in _Clandestinely Produced
Drugs, Analogues, and Precursors_ (eds. M Klein et al, 1989).

>>Furthermore if anyone has tried DOB or its phenethlamine analogue, 2CB?
>>A description of the effects would be most appreciated.  Finally, does anyone
>>have any information regarding the neurotoxicity of these substances or any of
>>the DOM and Mescaline analogues?

The rule of thumb for phenethylamines is: it can't be neurotoxic unless
it directly releases DA or 5-HT or NE via a presynaptic route.  Psyche-
delics are classically (postsynaptic) 5HT-2 agonists and are not
neurotoxic.  Another way of looking at it might be that psychedelics
aren't, stimulants can be (but often only at real high doses), and
entactogens might be neurotoxic.  I know offhand that neither DOB,
DOM, nor Mescaline is neurotoxic.  Many of their relatives have yet to
be well-characterized (so much to do :-)  ).

I'll say this about DOB:  it lasts too long to be a fun recreational
drug. 

  --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:18:21 GMT

In article <4eWcVq_00WB24MiXg3@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What about the sniffing of domestic mail in the United States?
>1. Does it happen?

I think so.

>2. Does it happen to all packages, or just certain ones?  (for example, all
>packages over a pound or something)

Probably a large percentage of parcels.

>3. What drugs are dogs trained to sniff for, just MJ or other stuff too?

MJ and cocaine, probably.  Those are the most popular.

>4. What are people's personal experiences with sending substances through the
>US domestic mail services?

FOAF #1 sent small box of MJ with no return address -- it never arrived.
FOAF #2 sent two tabs of blotter -- they went bad in transit.

>5. What about the UPS?  Any different?

I don't know about UPS, but
FOAF #3 used to recieve cocaine by the quarter ounce via Federal Express.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: pgoldman@terapin.com (Pete Goldman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: MDMA
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:56:55 PST
Organization: BBS

Hey - Just wondering about the accumulative effects of repeated mdma use....
anyone know any facts?.....other than the sort of spaced out surreal feeling...
( which should (gulp) go away in time...) are there any long term effects?....
oh... & is it a mere rumor that it drains your spinal fluid?.... any info would
be killer... 
   
 pEacE...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:23:08 GMT

>   Actually, most psychologists today feel the same way about running rats
>   through mazes. It's not particularly useful -- at the moment.

I don't agree...there are still plenty of studies where rats' minds
are altered physically or chemically, and maze run times are used
as a measure of performance (drugs to induce/cure rat versions of
dementia of the Alzheimer type, for instance).

-Thomas


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:48:40 GMT


in complete agreement with the last poster;

i've always maintained that i would kill anyone that dosed me with out
my knowledge. of course i would never make an agreement to have it done
to me 'in the next six months' either.i think it's a hideous idea.

good luck.
tim
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: conn. supreme court and cocaine moms.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:54:19 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

>>	   HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) _ A pregnant woman who used cocaine hours
>>before she had a baby should not have had her parental rights taken
>>away, the state Supreme Court ruled Monday.

>
>so, what kind of drugs do they normally give mothers just before birth?
>
>fukin nazis.

Well, I was born in a military hospital in the late '60's and my mom was
given a coctail of Morphine and Cocaine injected into her spine; presumably
so she would feel none of the "unnecessary discomfort" associated with child-
birth. Strange how these things work (geez they used to give 'em thorazine).

-Scott


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lagnaf@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeremy Styninger)
Subject: Re: Paper prints misleading article about "drug tattoos"
Keywords: LSD, drug, Peoria Journal Star
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:54:27 GMT

In <1992Aug19.002506.11001@wixer.cactus.org> lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
Yup. It was the Journal Star alright.  They can be pretty silly.

>>	"They normally are soaked with LSD,..."
>>Not to mention strychnine.

>I hope that was sarcasm. Wasn't the strychnine thread re-hashed AGAIN just
>recently?

Yes.  Sarcasm.  It's a form of Humor.

Jerm
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dc@ais.org (David Daniels)
Subject: Bannana smoking? 
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:34:09 GMT

Does anyone have the recipe on how to smoke bannanas (sp) ? 
Also, if you know if it works at all send me some e-mail .
dc@umcc.ais.org


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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:38:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug15.173836.12965
Organization: Western Washington University

djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:

>Saw Naked Lunch last night.  Didn't get it.

>Is there any signficance to the "bug powder" being pyrethrum?  Don't
>think so.  Is there any significance to the aliens being refered to
>as "mugwumps" (mugwumps being the term for Republicans who voted for
>Cleveland in 1884, and subsequently any political independent)?
>Maybe.  I've read "Metamorphosis" -- I think the references to it were
>overly self-flattering.  But what do I know?  Anyone read the book?
>Have a clue to share?  Did Burroughs really shoot his wife?

	The movie "Naked Lunch" was sort of a mash of different unrelated
things, largely from the WSB book "The Exterminator", and others,
that was given the title from the semi-famous book "Naked Lunch" 
because that is the title expected to draw the largest numbers into 
the theatre. I've read the book with the same title, and many of
his others, and "The Exterminator" seems to have more of a connection
to the movie than anything, although it was all very loose.
	The movie, intending to be like WSB books, 
I'm sure, is more of a delerious free assocition than a story.

	Yes he did kill his wife, accidentally it was determined.   They 
were doing some insanely stupid thing, like shooting things off her head,
ala William Tell, and he predictably put one through her face.   He fled 
the country, but when he came back it was ruled an accident rather than 
murder.

	In the movie, he was apparently obsessed with "how could I have 
been so stupid as to shoot my wife?" thoughts every waking moment for 
the rest of his life, which I imagine many people would be.

	Anyway the movie had little to do with the book, except for some 
references and use of some of the same terms, such as mugwumph.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:35:40 GMT
	<1992Aug15.040435.22950@mercury.cair.du.edu>
	<1992Aug16.224030.1507@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>
	<1992Aug17.154840.22256@mercury.cair.du.edu>
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs
In-reply-to: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu's message of 17 Aug 92 15:48:40 GMT

I think it's sort of unfair for all you folks to flame Jeremy -- who
has helpfully posted a lot of informative chemical info on this group.
He was describing something _he_ _wants_ done to him, not advocating
unrestrained dosing of the unsuspecting. The one may or may not be a
good idea, but the other was not suggested in his posting, nor is it
that common an impulse -- especially for those whose experiences have
not always been a picnic. It would have to be a very good friend of
mine for _me_ to trust them to pick a time to dose, but I can imagine
being in that situation -- though I think it would have to be someone
that I live with, as otherwise they _couldn't_ know enough about the
situation.

   Give him a break, huh?

   --David Durand
From: jjf@cats.ucsc.edu (Jeffrey John Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Inner Center
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:05:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


About 4 months ago I send $15 dollars to inner center along with a note 
requesting a 1/4 bag of their religious substance 5MeODMT.  I have not
received any sort of reply from them.  Does anybody know whats up?
Are they still in "business"?
Thanks,
JJ
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mkelly@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Michael A. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:12:11 GMT


First, a humble thank-you to all of you who actually gave useful information
in response to my original posting.

Yes, I was asking for details about how to make LSD.  I wasn't expecting to
get any.  I was hoping to get some good references in addition to the ones
mentioned in the FAQ, maybe a short excerpt from a book, etc., and I got
that.  Thank you.  (Special thanks to the person who sent me the name and
phone number of a company that sells those books; I already got my
catalog!)

I was also asking 'Who makes LSD?'  That is,

>Given that LSD is very hard to manufacture, what type of people manufacture
>it?  Are they people with degrees in chemistry, or people who learned the
>process from someone else?  Are they graduate students in chemistry who
>sneak into the labs late at night?  Is the equipment so specialised that
>it's only found in well equipped laboratories or is it possible to do it
>at home?  Are there many different processes for doing this, and if so,
>what are the advantages of one over the other (in terms of the effect of
>the final product, no details of the chemical impurities are necessary)?

I realize that few if any people who read this group can give an answer to
this, but if you can, I (and others) would be very interested in the answer.

It's too bad that so many immature people have the ability to inflict their
presence on the net.  The type of ridiculous behavior exhibited in this
thread is truly saddening.  (Just a quick hint for those of you get upset
when you see a FAQ asked: add the subject to your kill file.)

BTW, I'm the moderator of a FAQ for another group.

Mike.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore)
Subject: Re: nicotine extraction
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:38:53 GMT

In article <59633@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore) writes:
>>Anyone know how to extraxt nicotine from tobacco?  
>
>     Soak it in water.
But I think that this will also extract the carcinogens.  After all, chewing
tobacco causes mouth cancer.  So how do I extract the nicotine without the
so-called "tar"?

>But be warned!!! There's enough nicotine in a cigarette
>to KILL YOU. Most of it is burned off when it is smoked. Dosage is therefore
>very important, and I have no idea how to calculate an appropriate one.
Anyone know the LD50?  One of those chewing gum pieces has 2mg, so I assume the
LD is several times that.  OTOH, strong cigarettes claim to have 1 mg "by the
FTC method".  Does that mean that there's 1 mg _absorbed_?  I assume that most
all of the 2 mg in the gum is absorbed.  Anyone know how much nicotine is 
actually in a cigarette? 

Note that if you eat a cigarette, you will most likely throw up.  It works for
me better than syrup of Ipecac (I think Ipecac tastes good).  Is it the 
nicotine that does this?  Do they put it in gum form to slow the absorbtion
rate or to prevent the vomitting?

I think that nicotine has gotten a bad rap.  People are always comparing the
number of deaths caused by alcohol and nicotine to deaths caused by illegal
drugs.  Those deaths are not caused by nicotine!  They are caused by other
factors in the tobacco.  Nicotine itself is relatively safe.  Sure, it is 
poisonous, but so are all stimulants (that I know of) at high enough dosage.

carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu   Newark, DE, USA

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Long term LSD usage
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:08:30 GMT

In <9208111752.AA00440@wissel.stern.nyu.edu> jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu (J C. McTigue) writes:
>I found this on p.128 of Psychedelic Reflections:
>     "William McGlothlin and His colleagues (McGlothlin et al., 1969)
>compared 16 subjects who had taken LSD 20 times or more (the range was 20
>to 1,100, the median was 75 times) with 16 controls; they examined the
>subjects clinically and also administered the Halstead-Reitan test battery.
>There were no clinical organic symptoms, and no scores on the
>neuropsychological test that suggested brain damage; but on a test
>measuring capacity for nonverbal abstractin the LSD users scored lower.  As
>in the case of Tucker's Rorschach results, the amount of LSD was not
>related to the score.  Nevertheless, the authors conclude that continual
>heavy use may cause minor organic brain pathology:  six of the LSD
>subjects, including the there heaviest users, were regarded as "moderately
>suspicious" in this respect.  In another study, Morgan Wright and Terrence
>P. Hogan (1972) found no difference between subjects who had used LSD an
>average of 29 times and controls (matched for age, sex, education, and IQ)
>on a variety of neuropsychological tests, including the ones used by
>McGlothlin."
>
>Anyone have any knowledge or reference about long-term damage?

Nothing concrete, but just look at Timothy Leary.  He's a bit spacey, but
I'm told he's always been like that.  He certainly seems quite capable
of all kinds of abstraction. :-)
-- 
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                           "Snow Goons are Bad News"
From: patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M Crumhorn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: is this advertisement a Sting?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:04:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

    The ad is not necessarily a "sting".  Hemp seeds are used by the
kajillion in, among other things, parakeet and canary seed mixes.
Supposedly, they are irradiated to sterilize them first, so planting a
bunch of bird seed in the ground will net you nothing (plus, they're no
doubt seeds from "industrial" hemp, and woudn't yield much worth smoking
even if they weren't sterile.
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: White Rabbit
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:00:20 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software, Santa Cruz CA

jmctigue@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue) writes:

>In article <71439@apple.Apple.COM>, morley@Apple.COM (John Morley) writes:
>>You got the lyrics wrong.  I believe that those lines actually are:
>)
>)  And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
>)  Remember what the doorknob said,
                      ^^^^^^^^ ------> that's doorMOUSE, who was at the mad
					tea party in Alice and Wonderland
>)  Feed your head, feed your head

-don
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:31:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>This got me thinking (it does happen occasionally).  Why couldn't
>someone design a drug-adminsitering weapon for self-defense?  I'd think
>that a load of pentothal (or whatever) would drop an attacker very
>quickly.

The effectiveness of many drugs varies depending on the body mass
of the individual.  A dose which stops a 200 pound individual
effectively would likely fail to stop a 300 pound individual at
all, and might stop a 100 pound individual permanently.

If there is any drug which (1) stops nearly instantly, (2) is
effective in the _same_ dosage on people of widely different
body mass, (3) causes no serious or lethal damage to the target,
and (4) is reliable, we might be able to construct such a device.
But I am unaware of any drug which meets those parameters.

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