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From: paull@hpcvcat.cv.hp.com (Paul Liebert)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: five years
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:15:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA


> So here we are!  Fast approaching the 5th anniversary of the
> Harmonic Convergence, which occurred at dawn on Aug 17th, 1987.

I just heard a fascinating interview with Jose and Lloydine Arguelles
detailing their work over the past five years.  They have been
deciphering some more of the intelligence behind the mayan calendar.

Their conclusions are that we should migrate to a 13-day cycle as
opposed to our current 7-day week.  Also that the date July 26 1992
was a point at which the 365 day solar cycle and the 260 day cycle
made up of 20, 13-day weeks converge.  July 26 1992 was presented as
an auspicious date to begin using 13-day weeks.  They also claim that
the mayan calendar is of galactic origin.  The 7-day week was instituted
by the Catholic church circa 1583 and is as arbitrary a device as any
other, so why not try 13.

An interesting note he presented was that a reversal of time is occurring.
The last 26,000 years are being regressed in the next 26; starting with
the HC 8/17/1987 and ending in 2013.  He cited the ending of the cold war,
Fall of the Berlin wall, the bombing of Iraq (Babylonia) all as evidence
that this reversal was in progress.  Another interesting tidbit was that
Hiroshima and the HC both occurred on the same cyclic day in the mayan
calendar (Blue-Electric-Eagle in Dreamspell parlance).

They have produced a device called Dreamspell described as a game-board
for translating gregorian dates back and forth to their proposed 13/20
system, although it is reportedly much more than just that.  Information
is available from

	Dreamspell
	PO BOX 472442
	San Francisco Ca 94147

These folks are also putting out a newsletter called time-bandits.

The interview was on New Dimensions - a public radio program that aired
here (Eugene OR) July 25 1992.  New Dimensions sells cassette copies
of their programs for about $10.   1-800-383-1586

> It is curious to think that the Mayan calendar will end in the year 2012
> and that this is indeed the last cycle.

He commented on this and my interpretation was that this will simply
begin another 26,000 year cycle (of cycles).  

This stuff makes several links or connections to other material
that I have gleaned from various Earth-Changes-type Postings/channellings/
newsletters/books.  So obscure is the puzzle, but I firmly believe that
there really is something there.  It definitely has my attention.

Sincerely -pal
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 06:19:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64210@cup.portal.com> <64246@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug19.170256.11432@kbsw1> <64310@cup.portal.com>
  <64329@cup.portal.com>

Dear Astral Folk: I just back from the OOBE train and I feel better than
I have in the past when I came back. Not exactly like a million dollars
but maybe a dollar and six bits. I came back thinking of Mt. Shasta. We
might should try to go there someday. We should try to upgrade this train
from Astral to Spirtrual or Celestrial because it doesn't cost much more
to go first class like the people who study Eckancar (founded by the 
late Paul Twitchell). I went by in the physical and visited Jeff at his
house in San Jose, Calif. and he told me of his experience of meeting a 
person called Mark who had the ability to take people on a visualization.
Mark took Jeff on a visualization inside of Mt. Shasta.
John Winston.
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:26:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <63887@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Astral Folk and Rock Watchers: Remember today is the fourth weekly
>Astral OOBE Party. Pack your astral bags and don't be late. It seems the
>space people are now furnishing us with a space craft and for that I 
>am thankful.
(stuff deleted!)
>John Winston.

Your astral traveling abilities are flabby!  You need to Pump Them Up!
<clap>, with properly pumped up Astral Travel Abilities you have no
need for these crutches, like spacecraft (I spit on the very idea), that 
wimpy Astral Travellers use.


Ithlial

               The only good Troll is a dead Troll

			   Collary:

          Trolls regenerate - There are no dead Trolls
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From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:25:43 GMT

In article <64019@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>--thought I should have a beard. I sent a sketch of what I thought
>the person I call E the adept should look like and she said it looked li
>
>I can't help myself. I always have to put in a riddle or two.
>John Winston

Or two???  

I kinda hate to do this, but why doesn't one of the skeptics volunteer to
get John's picture both via astral and snail mail?  Actually, I'll do it. 
JOHN!! (C'mere! :~)) Send some instructions for me to get in astral
contact with you so you can send me your picture.  Include date and time. 
(Oh, and would you please use email or post it?  You can email to
arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu.  I can send my location in physical space if you
need it.  I promise in front of all these people that I will follow your
instructions to the best of my ability.)

Big Al.  Who will send mail to John if he hasn't emailed me anything by
the next time he posts.


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From: 75furlong@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
Subject: healing w/o drugs
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:47:37 GMT

I'm tying to find info of holistic healing (as opposed to the standard
"two-tylenol for whatever ails you" nonsense). If anyone can help me out
(first-person experience would be best, but book recommendations are welcome,
too) please e-mail me.

Alison the parenthetical
75furlong@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
75furlong@cua.bitnet
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From: djimenez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Daniel Jimenez)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Living rocks
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:02:11 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug13.164555.21373@imag.fr> phs@imag.fr (Philippe Schnoebelen) writes:
>In article <63758@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Dr. /demonde, a biologist in Lyon, France
>>left a rock on top of his electrocardiograph and when he came back after 
>>being on vacation he saw that the rock had inpressed pulses on the machine.
>>It was found that rocks breathe, but only one inhilation every three days
>>to two weeks. 
>[rest deleted]
>
>I live not far from Lyon and never heard/read about this story. But I heard
>it about a Chinese physician (with a different name :-)
>
>What is your source for this ??

Actually, it is a well known fact that Chinese physicians breathe.
Other Chinese professionals have also shown signs of respiration
on occasion.
-- 
Daniel Jimenez
"                      " -- John Cage
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From: mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz)
Subject: Re: Goal vs. no goal
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 07:52:51 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Jeffrey Chance <jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca> writes:
: We're not meant to sit around idly, we're meant to do things, and also to
: become more aware of who we are.
Note that for some the latter means exactly sitting around idly (but aware).
Of course, when deciding what "we" should or should not do, it would be
helpful first to decide what "we" are or are not - so ... <big grin>

: What is important, as Marc (I think) seems to be emphasizing, is that
: we should not grasp at things. We should not expect things or be
: attached to the outcome of events. I agree.
If you understand "should" in the sense of "it can help to avoid problems",
we agree here.
But I do really mean that there need not be some "big goal" (which is not
"should not") and see life more as a dance than as a walk towards a goal.
I think we can live with the non-agreement (wouldn't call it disagreement) :-)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Wachowitz, mw@gandalf.ki.fht-mannheim.de, 75742@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de
  *  wonder everyday    *    nothing in particular    *    all is special  *
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:57:55 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

In article <1992Aug11.233100.6385@tc.fluke.COM> emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
}I would hope that calling it always wrong would be where the line is
}drawn.  Is there anyone out there willing to agree with this one poor
}soul?

Offhand, the bible (KJV) seems to give numerous instances where it is
not only not wrong, but required:

Genesis 9:6
Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed...

Exodus 21:12
He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

Exodus 22:19
Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 22:20
He that sacreficeth unto any God, save unto the Lord only, he shall be
utterly destroyed.

Exodus 31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you. every one
that defileth it shall surely be put to death...

Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you a
holy day, a sabbath of rest to the lord: whosoever doeth work therein
shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:2
...Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that
sojurn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall
surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Leviticus 21:9
And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the
whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

Leviticus 24:14
Bring forth him that hadth cursed without the camp; and let all that
heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation
stone him.

Deuternomy 13:10
And thou shalt stone him with stones that he die, because he hadth sought
to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God...

Deuternomy 17:5
Thou shalt bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that
wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone
them with stones. till they die.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall
bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of the
city shall stone her with stones that she die...

Deuteronomy  22:22
If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall
both of them die...

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her
in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the
gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die...

Deuteronomy 22:25
BUT if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her,
and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.


I Kings 21:10
...Thou didst blaspheme God and the King.  And then carry him out, and stone
him that he might die.


Are you saying that the bible, as written, provides incorrect guidance on
this matter?
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: inventing good and evil
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:53:30 GMT

David Hatcher writes:

>Stephen Buckley writes:

>>Doug Thompson writes:
>>
>>>Good and Evil therefore are invented by human society as it becomes
>>>more complex, more highly organized, and more subject to various
>>>insturments of coercive control. 
>>
>>  how would you go about proving this conclusion is true beyond its
>>reasonability at the end of an argument?  i don't think human beings
>>are in a position to know what you assert with as much certainty as there
>>sounds in your words.

>  The evidence I tend to look towards that proved to me that Doug is right 
>on in his observation is found with in life it self. When people are removed
>from the picture, and the animals and plants are observed with a zen like
>attitude of non-attachment, I personally have seen absolutely no concepts
>of Good and Evil. The animals do what animals do, and the plants do what
>plants do as they were created to do in the first place. They just are.

>  But as soon a people get into the picture with their mental concepts,
>suddenly all of creation becomes pigeon holed into various aspects that
>have no meaning to the rest of the life forms here on Earth.

  i was asking for a proof of an objective, absolute nature.  i too
have been able to [and still can if i wish] mediate my perception and
filter out social [or whatever] constructs that lead me to see good and
evil.  but above i was responding to a belief that sounded like it was
being asserted as absolutely, objectively true.
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From: larya@us.oracle.com (Lakshmi Arya_Bakshi)
Subject: test
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:23:37 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:32:19 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: 

: It seems that these fish become invisible when scared then turn to
: where you can see them in about 20 mlnutes if undisturbed. They sell
: for over $20,000 per pair.  John Winston.

Hey John, I've got an even better deal:  Fish that you can't see, feel,
hear, smell, taste, or in any way detect.  And they are only $10 per
dozen.  I am currently taking orders.  No COD or credit cards orders
accepted.  Send check, cash or money order to:

	Undectable Fish Offer
	11632 Monroe St. NE
	Blaine, MN 55434

Shipment guaranteed within 7 days of receipt of order.  If you aren't
satisfied, send the fish back, and I'll return your money -- of course
you'll have a hell of a time convincing me that you _did_ send the
fish back.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  DIDI...  is that a
Rosemount Inc.                                |MARTIAN name, or, are we in
                                              |ISRAEL?
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:30:21 GMT

[alt.alien.visitors]
In article <r50mtqa.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>
>Thanks John. Your latest posts are very interesting, although I'm not sure
>I understand the Kibo thing. 

I hear that a large, glowing, Kibo Thing (in technical terms, a
Kibological Flying Craft, or KFC) was sighted over the Republican
Convention, which is in the *ASTRO*dome.  COINCIDENCE?  I think NOT

This craft looked just like something from the movie '2001', which as we
all know is the most realistic science-fiction movie ever made, so
obviously this Kibo Thing could not have been a hoax.

After it landed in the middle of a field, and took off, a mysterious marking 
was discovered in the field.  It was rectangular, on a post, and said "Keep
off the grass."

There is speculation that the alien craft was from Planet X, or perhaps
Planet Schwa, although Carl Sagan and Arthur C. Clarke insist it was
Planet T, home of the Earl Greys.
							-- K.

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:33:36 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage

In <63887@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

    Dear Astral Folk and Rock Watchers: Remember today is the fourth weekly
    Astral OOBE Party. Pack your astral bags and don't be late.

I have a previous committment but my rock can come.
-- 
/|/-\/-\       I'll leave you with this saying:
 |__/__/_/     All of a sudden, I want to THROW OVER my promising ACTING
 |warren@      CAREER, grow a LONG BLACK BEARD and wear a BASEBALL HAT!!
/ nysernet.org 
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From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:42:35 GMT

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

>I AM LYING AS I SPEAK.

>Until you understand this koan, you will never understand the "new age."

  and like the tao which unintelligible, this koan and "the new age"
resist clearly delineated concepts.  but one can be delineated: that
there are no clear delineable truths.

  and this makes that koan, the tao and the new age unable to appeal
to many people's search for truth or understanding in the world.  it's
then irrelevant.

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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:21:42 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
> These space people were very attractive looking and were from
> the planets Pluto and Jupiter.

Don't this guy and Stollman deserve each other?

Well?
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:53:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64210@cup.portal.com> <64246@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug19.170256.11432@kbsw1> <64310@cup.portal.com>
  <64329@cup.portal.com> <64339@cup.portal.com>

Dear People: Well it looks like Lenard, Bear, Jeramy and RA have been
trying to eat me up as usual. The magazine referred to is the tabloid
Magazine called Sun.
John Winston.
ok
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:13:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <80001@bcsaic.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcsaic.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>The REALLY amazing thing is that the rock was able to change the paper
>on the EKG machine.  All this while being stangled with the
>electrodes...
>
>I'd like to see the original article.  UNLESS it's in the National
>Enquirer or similar... then I'd like to line my canaries cage with it.
>
>Rick,

It's worse than the Nat'l Enquirer, it's in that most credible of
scientific journals:   The Weekly World News!


cary@ursaminor.unm.edu

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:20:03 EST

In article <1992Aug19.222708.24340@tc.fluke.COM>, emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
[...]
> 
> I am referring to behavior.  And restating the issue, 
> 
> (1) Under the newage thought, should murder be considered an absolute
>     wrong or a matter of personal choice?

Please define newage thought.
[..]
GXKambic
standard middleage disclaimer


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From: adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein)
Subject: Re: Stargates
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:25:23 GMT

patb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) writes :


>...and became instant addicts...


This single line disturbed me the most in the posting.  I do not doubt that you
experienced powerful, intense things with the stargate.  I do think that the
reason you felt these things is open to interpretation - channeled beings, group
meditation, imagination-driven mind-body link, etc.  But to me the problems with
things like the stargate is that they are external to yourself and emphasis the
fact that it is something other than yourself.  IMHO, you contain everything
within yourself, and hence a spiritual practice should tell you to look within
for experiences.  Of course, there are many many valid techniques for doing said
searching; but when someone tells you that you need something outside of yourself
to heal or spiritually advance or whatever, I think warning bells should go off
telling you that they are not speaking the truth.  The seperation between inside
and outside is our ego.  Every spiritual path says that the ego is a part of maya
- it is not true.  And so the seperation between inside and outside is an
illusion - it is a seperation perpetuated by our own minds.  To me an addict is
someone who cannot help but look outside his/herself for
gratification/fulfillment.  


Anyway, this does not have all that much to do with the original posting.  It
just got me going on the seperation thing I guess.  Organized religions (Judeo/
Christian especially) have spread the lie that God is outside of you and that you
have to do this or that to go here or belong to this group or that group or that
God is in this place but not that place, AND ITS ALL A LIE!  God is you, you are
God, God is everything, God is in everything.  Perpetuations of the myth of
seperation bother me.  Patrick may not have meant to say anything at all about
our egos (that which artificially, arbitrarily defines our inside from our
outside), but anyway, thats my HO.



Andy Rothstein,
adrothst@athena.mit.edu
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