From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: Bill & Hillary are Socialists (was SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SAY IT)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:27:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.220430.1@vxcrna.cern.ch> zeus@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:
>
>There are many fine words spoken by communists on many subjects.
>Not least the condemnation of slavery which was seen by both the
>communist and Socialist movements as evil long before abolition.
>McArthy was not a notable advocate of freedom of thought or
>expression, It is very noticaqble that those who jump up and down 
>screaming that anyone who gives a damn about anyone other than
>themselves is and evil Stalinist bent on destroying society and 
>removing all freedom of thought attempt precisly these things. They
>attempt to destroy society by dividing it into rich and poor and
>attempt to silence anyone who protests against them by yelling
>Socialist in a venemous way in the hope that it may eventually become
>a form of abuse.

Might I remind you that Nazi Germany was a socialist state.  It is when people
develop the type of groupthink that socialism encourages and sacrifice        
themselves and their minds to the state that tragedies such as The Holocaust
occur.  I also take offense at your belief that only socialists care about
others.  This is false.  I want to help other people, I just believe that
there is a better way than socialism.
 
>Frankly this all seems like very sour grapes from the Republican
>right who are going to have to practice survial without that
>unbearable aura of smugness they have generated for themselves.
>After years of telling the whole world that Liberals, Socialists
>and Progressives were all evil monsters, that anyone who dared
>to defend civil liberties was bent on enslavement of the people
>under a Stalinist regime, that anyone who disagreed with them
>was unamerican, now we know the truth. The American people have
>chosen Liberal Progressive and Socialist policies.

Socialists are one of the greatest advocates of eliminating civil liberties. 
What could be a greater blow to liberty than to have your government make your
choices for you and impose upon you what the state thinks is best?

>I am a Socialist, I am proud to be a socialist, I am proud of the
>record of socialist governments in the UK. I am glad that the
>culture of greed and self interest that the Republican party
>stood for and exalted has been rejected. I am glad that the
>American people have chosen to rebuild the great society which
>Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy stood for.

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>Returning to the original point. I hope that Bill Clinton does
>turn out to be a Socialist, just as the greatest US President
>this Century, FDR did. FDR was the man who found the solution
>to the devastation caused by the failed free market, monetarist
>policies of Hoover. Today a solution must be found to the
>devastation caused by the failed policies of Bush and Regan.

I blame FDR's programs for many of today's problems.  His agenda did not bring
the US out of depression, WWII did.  The creation of the government controlled
Federal Reserve was part to blame for the Depression, it was not all Hoover's
lack of policy.  In short, your attack of the free market is bogus.  It was
the transfer of more power to the state that started and prolonged a number of
the nation's woes.  A move closer to socialism will only succeed in quickening
our country's downfall.



-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  Read the Democratic party platform, then       
Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  the 1933 Nazi Germany platform.  Now note 
This University is too Commie-	|  the similarities.
Lib Pinko to have these views.	|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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