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From: Kenneth.Grimard@f290.n324.z1.fidonet.org (Kenneth Grimard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: scanner database door
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:25:00 -0800

 > kg> Does any one know where i can find a scanner database door
 > kg> for an ibm bbs. I am currently running fd/remote access.

 > The only thing I can suggest is send netmail to Lee Laird and
 > ask him about the door....there IS a scanner listing door
 > that runs with RA, but I can't recall the name...

 > Seeing as you're running FD, hit <ALT> E, and <INS>.  When it
 > asks for a name, type Lee Laird.  I don't know his
 > address...it's 124/7009 I *THINK*.

 > He frequents the HAM echo...he's the MODERATOR there! :)

 > --- GEcho 1.00/beta+
 >  * Origin: Coming To You From Connecticuts Quiet Corner!
 > (1:327/2112)

thank for the information about it. i will send him a message about it
in the
ham radio echo. The raeason i was looking for it was that my co-sysop
is
 envolved with a volunteer fire/civil defense unit. Plus he has a friend
that
 is into ham radio that is also envolved with that same unit.

Also the theme of this bbs is fire,ems,shortwave listiening as well as
ham
 radio and any form of communication that goes with.


ken Grimard n1dot
fidonet 1:324/290
RaNet 72:508/104
InterNet kenneth.grimard@f290.n324.z1.fidonet.org
Ham Packet Radio n1dot@wa1phy.#ema.ma.usa

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From: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: EMSNY-l problem
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:28:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov5.212829.6418
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In response to the post about a New York State EMS issue-related
service, I tried to e-mail the subscription notice, but kept
getting it bounced back.  What am I doing wrong?  All mail sent
to 'listserv@albny2.bitnet' got sent back.  Does the fact that
I'm on Internet, not Bitnet, have anything to do with this?  Any
help would be appreciated because I'm quite interested in this.
Thanks.

Ken

Kenneth R. Aron                 NYS EMT-Defibrillation            | |  / /
kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu      Columbia Area Volunteer Ambulance | |/ / 
                                Columbia University, NYC          | |\ \
"EMTs do it with patience"                                        | |  \ \
From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:05:00 -0800

          Rick Wilson sent

wv> strobes and other generally flashing objects. Are all those wv>
strobes and whatnot really necessary? Only curious. Do the wv> respond
better to that many lights or is it for show?

Hey Rick,
Sorry but you got names crossed.  I KNOW what's out there. I've been
active on my local FD/rescue & First Aid Squad (FAS) for 23+ years.
(Also been FD driver for 10+ years and one of our town's Fire Police for
7+ years). I've been behind the wheel of an ambulance or loaded fire
truck and had many a crazy drivers pull some real stunts (ever tried
stopping a Mack Pumper, in the rain, in 20' (at 30MPH)???  It's lots of
fun. Wish people would learn what the red lights and siren means...It
could be their house or family THIS TIME, we're going to assist. TTYL
Bill   EMT-A    NJ State Fire Police

===
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Fidonet feed
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:59:18 GMT

Karl.Hendry@f35.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Karl Hendry) writes:

>JL>From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>JL>Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu


>                ^^^^^^^^^^^
>                    I recieve this net through Fido and am accustomed
>to
>it's standardized format. In regards to  all these funny codes and the
>beginning and end of many of these messages, what types of systems are
>all these messages generated and recieved on?

These messages originate from systems that use a different posting
and transport mechanism from Fidonet's.  Generally, they are from
UUCP or Internet-domain addressed sites.  In this case, the .edu
indicates an educational setting.

>JL>Is there any way that I/we can convince the newsgroup powers that be
>to
>JL>eliminate the fidonet feed from the group misc.emerg-services?

No, sorry.  To do so would rob many folks of the wealth of good
information from both sides of the fence.  There are some 400,000
Usenet machines and some 10 MILLION Usenet news readers DAILY.
Assuredly not all read misc.emerg-services, but it is available
to everyone who wants it.

>JL>There is just too much trash (patches for sale,star trek groupies,
>personal
>JL>communication) to wade through to get to the serious issue related
>JL>information which is the purpose (I believe) of this group.

This problem exists in other echoes (and newsgroups) as well, and
can only be 'cured' by education.  It is difficult, as new people
subscribe to the group all the time, and may miss a regular
'rules' posting.  It may be time to put one out weekly.  Woody?
Chuck?

>JL>The signal to noise ratio is just too low to make this worthwhile.

I really don't believe that to be true.
From: Chris.Howell@f10.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Howell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: VOULUNTEER FD AND LIGHTS
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 01:58:00 -0800

in texas an emergency vehicle must display red lights to the front and
have a siren (audible to some distance that escapes me) in order to "be
exempt" from traffic laws, such as speed limits, maintaing a single lane
of traffic, red lights, stop signs, ect.  texas state law does not allow
"code 2"  or lights only/no siren driving, although it happens many
times.  volunteer firefighters/ems personnel answering an alarm are
considered emergency vehicles.
chris 

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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:12:00 -0400
From:         TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles

TOO many lights are dangerous.  Studies showed that red and blue lights draw
fatigued and drunk drivers directly at your vehicle.  I was shown pictures and
an article, where a normal traffic stop turned to hell.  A police officer was
doing a routine stop on a highway, and he left his full light bar on.  HE
reporetd seing a truck pass through FOUR lanes of traffic, go 15 feet off of
the shoulder and slam into his car.  The car was totalled and driven into the
officer.  He wasn't seriously injured.  In some states now, the only lights
used by SP are grill lights on the cruisers.  I'm all for visibility on the
rigs...but they MUST be shut off at the scene (for saftey). In NY you only need
one red flash in each direction (box flashers) if you are parked illegally.  If
you are parked leagally, shut sown all of the lights.  Leave on amber four ways
if you are going to be moving around the road side.

        Strobes are hopefully on the way out.  Studies show that they can cause
seizures in the epileptic pt.

I'm guilty as everone else on the flash.  I'n my car I carry all of the
equipment the rig does, except for the Stretchers, and MAST so the core allowed
me a full length light bar.  I now have a full set of streethawks on top of a
Toyata Celica GT.  I've kept my self safe by placing amber flashers where the
reds used to be in the back.  WHen I am parked I only leave the amber lights
on.
        Also, leaving alll of the lights promotes rubber necking, which slows
down traffic, and really clogs things up.  It also draws the press, and we have
had a lot of talk about that.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John A. Ternay
Emergency Medical Services Certified First Responder
Pre-Medical Studies                             R.I.T. Ambulance
MD2B                                    Cornwall Volunteer Ambulance Corps.
                        "Trauma Junkie"
            "We make house-calls....all night long"
From: Bob.Watson@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Now echoing
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 12:00:00 -0800

The TAO BBS in Mercerville,NJ is now echoing this conference.

PCRelay:TAO -> #1377 RaceNet (tm)
4.11           TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - (609) 587-2672

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From: Gary.Saffer@f290.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Saffer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Privacy
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 04:35:00 -0800

DP}Ed, I agree with you 100% The public has a right to know, but that
does not
  }give the reporters permission to jump into a accident/fire/ect.. and
start
  }taking pictures, and reporting the problem....

As a matter of fact it does. It does not give them the right to jump
into the back of the ambulance or intrude into the ER though. But they
can shoot thru the windows of the ambulance. The key is that they not
cause interference to the efforts under way.

Later

Gary

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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: cameras on rigs (w
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:45:00 -0800

CE>>I think it is a good Idea if you use a Polrid.  That way the doctor
can
  >>see the method of injury and see how bad it is i.e. if the driver
  >>decited to inpale his chest with the steering wheel see how mangeled
or
  >>lack there of the stearing wheel was.  During my hospitle time so I
  >>could get my EMT cert. The doctor stated to me that sometimes he
wished
  >>he could be at the accident to see the methoid of injury so he
could
  >>better treat the person.  Because, in his opion, the EMT/Paramedics
  >>usualy generlise stuff and they cannot get a acurate decription of
the
  >>accident.  Oh well.

The answer to this is not a Polaroid, it's better educating that
particular doc OR better training of the EMT's and Medics who are
giving
poor reports.

KMA

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From: deglop@dewey.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Problems in the office with group survival kits (theft)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:38:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, CWRU, Cleve. OH
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Nov6.222034.8887@informix.com> billd@informix.com (William Daul) writes:
>We are having problems with items from our emergency survival kits
>disappearing.  We are at the beginning of setting up our emergency

>We have thought about locks with keys, locks with combinations.  THIS

How about little plastic "locks" or seals that can be broken by hand?
This way, you can get into the kit when you need to, but it's immediatly
obvious if the kit has been opened otherwise.  They also serve to assure
that the kit is stocked (as long as it was stocked before you seal it...)

There's a morale issue here too.  Explain to your membership that the
organization isn't going to last very long if everyone takes the group's
equipment for their own personal use.  Maybe offer to set up group purchases
of emergency care equipment so the members can buy what they need, or if
the group has some money available, assist the members in buying reasonable
first aid kits for themselves.  If it's outside people stealing stuff, 
can you increase security on your office?


-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
From: Greg.Naber@f34.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Naber)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Net 343 and Node 34
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:26:40 GMT

XP: LNXMANAGE, PDNECHO, NET343, RGN17, MISSING_CHILD, UNIX,
XP: 4DOS, DESQVIEW, FILE_MOVERS, MODERATOR, TELIX, FIRENET
XP: GOLDED.BETA, DVNET, PEP, UFGATE

Due to a glitch in the change over and reassignment of nodes under Hub
200 to Hub 300 within Net 343, some nodes have been dropped from this
week's node difference list.

The nodes that are not in it are 343/34, 343/94, 343/341 and maybe some
others I I am not aware of as yet.

This WILL affect any personal direct netmail to these systems.

This WILL affect any UUCP direct netmail to 1:343/94

This WILL affect any fidonet file requests to these systems.

This will NOT affect the gating of comp.os.linux <-> LINUX or
misc.emerg-services <-> FIRENET.

This will NOT affect netmail forwarded to any HUB, the NEC or the NC of
net 343.

This will NOT affect any personal mail from the internet to any fidonet
node.

This WILL be correct next Friday.

For those who wish to communicate with 94 or 34, here is the information
needed:

,34,S'Qually_Holler's,Renton_WA,Greg_Naber,
        1-206-235-0270,9600,XA,CM,HST,V32b

,94,remote.uucp,Seattle_WA,Ralph_Sims,
        1-206-292-9048,9600,CM,XA,PEP,V32,GUUCP

Pvt,341,Halcyon.com,Seattle_WA,Ralph_Sims,-Unpublished-,9600,MO

1:343/94 & 341, Ralph Sims memorex +1-206-955-1050
1:343/34 Greg Naber live 1-206-235-0189

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From: Doug.Plaza@f413.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Plaza)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: sensor traffic lights!
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:04:00 -0800

TJ>From: TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>

TJ>I have something negatve to say about the strobe activated traffic
lights.
TJ>If
TJ>an average guy is driving down the road and he sees the light turn
green, he
TJ>will not expect that light to turn red in 5 seconds.  So he will not
be
TJ>looking, even if you Amb. changes the light. AT an intersection if
the same
TJ>driver has his window closed and normal car noise like light music
your
TJ>siren
TJ>range is as follows....
In rare situations this does occur, but as a paramedic working in an
area where a dozen ALS dispatches in a 12 hour shift is rotine, I have
found the system to have great positive advantages.  Yes you must watch
for drivers not paying attention, but during the summer season traffic
regularly becomes so heavy that you can't even get to the intersection
to cross.  The traffic light pre-emption system allows us to get the
traffic moving so that we can get to where we need to be.

                                  Doug Plaza MICP NJ

  SLMR 2.1a 


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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:37:13 -0400
From:         TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Pulse Ox.

I missed the discussion on this but I really think that pulse ox. are not to
reliable in the field.  FOr example: the pt. in shock.  THe blood is
concentrated into the core and not being circulated throughout the body.  If
you measure the saturation on the earlobe you will not get a true reading.

War Story:
        A friend was telling me (works in ED) an amv. brought in a pt. who ha
dthe S&S of high flow O2.  THe sat. they got was 94% so they used 4 lpm via
nasal C.  IT turns out that the true sat. was 81%....... could have cost the
pt. some serious problems..
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John A. Ternay
Emergency Medical Services Certified First Responder
Pre-Medical Studies                             R.I.T. Ambulance
MD2B                                    Cornwall Volunteer Ambulance Corps.
                        "Trauma Junkie"
            "We make house-calls....all night long"
From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: PHOOGRAPERS ON SCENE.
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:43:00 GMT

To: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)



ES>>What would you do if you were working at a MVA and the press
  >>photographer got between you and the patient and started taking
  >>pix? Think about the scene and what may be exposed. AND the
  >>photographer would not get out of your way. Do you have the
  >>right to push him out of the way in a life or death situation?
  >>When he interferes with your patient and the pt.'s stability do
  >>you have the right to have him arrested if he won't leave any
  >>other way?

It depends upon your state laws. In NY interferring with EMS personnel
in the performance can be charged with "OGA" - Obstructing Governmental
Administration.

NJ has similar laws. You need to check with your department and local
law enforcement.

As for you hypothetical reporter..... I probably would have thrown him
out of the way and then had him locked up..

regards

KMA

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From: Kurt.Ullman@f290.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Kurt Ullman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Emergency Show
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:21:01 -0800

GS>Dixie McCall, played by Julie London. Who the real life wife of the
guy
GS>who played Joe Early. His name was Bobby Troup. He had a small but
GS>famous role in a very big movie in the early 1970s. (Hint his line
was
GS>"Goddamn Army") Julie London was also the ex wife of Jack Webb.

        He was teh guy who chauffered (SP?) Hawkeye and Trapper John
around Tokyo in the Movie M*A*S*H*.  What do I win?
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From: Christopher.Baker@f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Zone 3 feed
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 03:01:31 -0800

has changed from 3:632/404 to 3:632/387.
 
there were some mixed signals that have now been straightened out and
they will be receiving a rescan of what i have in this area.
 
TTFN.
Chris

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From: Dale.Lamont@f321.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Dale Lamont)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: T-shirts.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 12:48:00 -0800

 Paul,
     sounds great to me, but what is a snail mail address, you guys us
eterms we don't get very much down here.  My postal address is 80
Haywood Street Morwell, Victoria, Australia the post code is 3840.

    I will get a shirt to you as soon as you tell me where to send it.


    Catch ya later......................

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From: billd@informix.com (William Daul)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Problems in the office with group survival kits (theft)
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:20:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: billd@cheetah

We are having problems with items from our emergency survival kits
disappearing.  We are at the beginning of setting up our emergency
response team.  So, we are lacking "experience".

We have thought about locks with keys, locks with combinations.  THIS
IS NOT the right thing to do.  Do any of you have suggestions on how to
keep emergency kits intact?

Thanks,  --Bill
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 Menlo Park, CA. 94025    uunet!infmx!billd  or  billd@informix.com
From: Joe.Noel@f4.n3805.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Noel)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: OSHA regs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:29:03 -0800

 >>  1. OSHA regulations apply to ALL employers (public & private).
 >>  2. Whether federally or state enforced at a minimum is the federal
 >>     rule. States may change to make more stringent not less
effective.
 > I understand your point.
 > But, being a minor, I have been worked past my 5 hours and not giving
a
 > break.  My brother, who is 17, worked 2 weeks ago Saturday 6.6 hours
 > before he got his break. This past Saturday, some other minor got
the
 > screws, only he was close to 6 hours.
 > What can one do about this problem? Where does one turn to?
Best thing I minor that does not want to be treated as an adult in an
Emergency organization can do is quit.  You will no longer be a burden
on your older co-workers that are haveing to carry you because of this
attatude.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying all minors should not be allowed,
but when our VFD allowed 18 year olds in instead of 21 year olds, that
is when the quality of fire service started dropping.

Joe

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: Hi, Ed.
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:06:50 GMT


Joe, did you get my E-mail?

-- 
       Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
       Sr. Firefighter (and lots of other titles, as well!)
       Boardman Fire Dept.    Boardman, Ohio
       "It's not just an adventure, its a job!"
From: Steve.Schmidt@f119.n115.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Schmidt)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: VOULUNTEER FD AND LIGHTS
Date: 27 Oct 92 23:17:00 GMT

Lights lights and more lights.... It seems that too many volunteer
firefighters are more concerned with being visible to the community than
with helping the community.  Now to those of you who are about to jump
down my throat, please wait one sec.:
 
I was a volunteer FF for 8 years, running with blue lights in
Pennsylvania. I think the most interesting article I have seen on the
issue was a result of a study by PA State Police on the question of the
effectiveness of blue lights in an suburban/urban setting.  The company
that I ran with was located on the southwest border with Philadelphia,
so most of our area was heavily populated, and hence heavily travelled. 
The PSP (and our Chief for that matter) found that blue lights cause
more harm than good.
        The reason behind this finding was that:  Blue lights, like 
red lights, etc., cause drivers to panic and stop dead in the street.
That may be ok where you have shoulders, etc. to get around them, but in
the area that I was in, we had no shoulders and heavy traffic. That only
served to hold us up.
        The obvious answer to that hold-up would be to move into the 
turn lane in the center of the road or into opposing traffic.  Now that
would be greeted by the local constabulary with such joy that I couldn't
imagine it!!  Our traffic laws in PA state that blue lights are
_requests_ for the right of way.  They afford us no legal rights that
other motorists don't have.  That of course means no running
traffic-lights, no speeding, and no travelling in the wrong lanes. The
local cops (for good reason) were very hard on vollys that they found
breaking the traffic laws with impunity.
        What are others thoughts/experiences on the issue?  I am in 
the process of looking for the newsletter with the study in it, so that
I can appease the hoards that are going to be asking for it. Other than
than, please inform me of other state's policies regarding blue lights,
etc.
 
                Thanks,
                        Steve Schmidt


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