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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:07:19 GMT

In article <BuFqJH.3wn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga) writes:
 
>In article <12836@express> beaudoin@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Beaudoin) writes:
>>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.
>>
>
>Anyone ever try heating the top part around the joint with a hair dryer?
>I'll bet that it helps.
>
I once used a heat gun to get an aluminum tip extension off of an epoxy mast.
I know that epoxy has quite a coefficient of expansion, so I first left the
whole mess outside one subzero winter night.  Then I heated the extension
(rather quickly, so that the heat wouldn't get to the mast) and everything
came apart easily.  I had expected that this might damage the extension (and
was willing to do so to rescue the mast), but it still serves me well.
 
If the female jointed end of the stuck mast is metal, the same trick might
work.  If it is non-metalic, I am not sure that you can get one piece
heated quickly enough to expand before the other does too...especially
since you are probably not willing (as I was) to damage the piece that you
are heating.
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
From: ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Question re sources for Tandem boards.
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:48:04 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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In <1992Sep14.222453.10973@leland.Stanford.EDU> wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg) writes:

>In article <4213@winnie.fit.edu> wells@zach.fit.edu (James M. Wells) writes:
>>I would like to buy a tandem (two masted) sailboard.
>>I believe they are common in Europe, but very rare here.
>                    ^^^^^^
...

>WOW.  Is it so?  How long are these things?  How far apart
>are the masts ( I presume far enough so you don't bonk your
>pardner in the noggin when turning)? - and still, if you
>accidently drop your mast, or a strong gust rips it out of
>your hands ....:(bonk:(
>The image I conjur (sp?) up is more of a schooner than a sailboard,
>but I bet I'm just not thinking of the design and shape properly.
>Interested in hearing more about these vessels
>Andy

Not common. Definitely not common. As far as I know there were only
two production tandems made; a real big plank made by Rainbow, and a
relatively racy machine made by Cobra about five or six years ago (at
least). On the speed circuit there are a few nutters who sail these
things. The latest technology seems to be some kind of detachable
extra flotation which is jettisoned once the thing is planing. These
speed tandems (and there are some three-man things too) are pretty
small and respectably fast (I think the record is around 35knots) and
definitely not for turning.

Some years ago a couple of guys used to go out regularly down by the
"street" (shingle bank that makes for an excellent speed sailing
course for about two hours per tide) at Whitstable in North Kent.
Their board was home-made and looked really horrible. I was pretty
amazed that they went on to break the British record at Weymouth!

If you just want to have a laugh in light winds, just get an old long
board and modify it. I've tried one of these and they are pretty
funny. 

Go DIY for it.

Dave.

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From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: Question re sources for Tandem boards.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:24:53 GMT

In article <4213@winnie.fit.edu> wells@zach.fit.edu (James M. Wells) writes:
>I would like to buy a tandem (two masted) sailboard.
>I believe they are common in Europe, but very rare here.
                    ^^^^^^
>Can anyone give me an address or phone number where I 
>might obtain one?
>Thanks in advance.  Please email if possible.

WOW.  Is it so?  How long are these things?  How far apart
are the masts ( I presume far enough so you don't bonk your
pardner in the noggin when turning)? - and still, if you
accidently drop your mast, or a strong gust rips it out of
your hands ....:(bonk:(
The image I conjur (sp?) up is more of a schooner than a sailboard,
but I bet I'm just not thinking of the design and shape properly.
Interested in hearing more about these vessels
Andy

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From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: Right of way
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:55:33 GMT

In article <10676@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> mueller@pi.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)  
writes:
> In article <10SEP199201215467@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu>,  
yurkon@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu (IRBF) writes:
> > Could anyone tell me whether Sailboards are considered to be sail powered
> > vessels in Michigan, or whether they are just toys?  Our local DNR and  
sherrif
> > seem to think that sailboards have no right of ways when encountering  
powered
> > vessels or sailing vessels on the appropriate tacks.
> 
> Funny, I got a similar response when I asked around whether life jackets
> were required for windsurfers in Florida when I got started with it. The
> sherrif was completely imcompetent, so was the coast guard. They don't
> seem to care. The "chamber of water and resources" (or something like that)
> told me in fact that
> 
>   Windsurfer are considered toys!!!
> 
> She said that life jackets would therefore not be required. Now, I guess this
> means that we have no right-of-way in Florida as well! (Though anybody I have
> met on the water just treated us as sailers...)
> 
> Frank

Apparently there is some fine distinction, as far as the CG is concerned,  
between watercraft and water "appliances", e.g., jetskis. Don't know where to  
find the truth, whether a board is an "appliance" or not. I believe rules of  
the road pertain in any case.

Note that this might work to your advantage if your homeowners policy has a  
$1000 limit on watercraft, but it didn't for me when some (non windsurfing)  
scum cleaned me out last year. My insurance company (State Farm) used Webster's  
defn of watercraft. Good reason to join USWA and get the special policy that  
they offer on boards + gear. 

This whole conversation revolves around issues that USWA has been the most  
effective in resolving... Access, protection from motorhead DNR geeks, relief  
from state PFD regs, etc. Why not everybody join and make the organization a  
real heavyweight?

Kim
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From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: Am I missing it???
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 21:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.003901.7059@island.COM> hue@coney.island.COM (Pond Scum) writes:
>
>I just called the windtalker on top of the Saint Francis Yacht Club
>and it said it was averaging 34mph from the SW.  Am I totally missing
>out?
>
>
>-Jonathan		hue@island.COM

Someone needs to take a baseball bat to their windmeter. A number of people including
myself called Sat and Sun and recieved reports of wind exceeding 40 mph.  Arriving within
the hour, we found it to be calm.  I knew it was goofy when I had been there an hour (still
calm) and someone showed up saying that they had called 20 minutes ago and hear 37 gusting
to 40.  Fortunately it did come up later. :^)   But more like 20-23 at most.

Andy
From: eaa02@parakeet.amdahl.com (Earl Armas)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Want Info On ASD/Other Composite Boards
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:24:41 GMT

In article <BuAJv9.5oA@sti.com>, westes@sti.com (Will Estes) writes:

|> For those who own a recent ASD design, I'm thinking of choosing between
|> their 8'8" course-slalom and the 8'8" bump and jump.  Can someone who
|> has tried both give me a rundown on one versus the other?
|> 

I bought my ASD 8'8" course-slalom board back in May and, at first, was
reluctent to jump it.  They told me that I should be able to jump it all
I want but with the amount of money I spent I felt I needed to baby it.
 
Anyways, after about sailing it for about a month, I soon missed jumping.
I slowly took small jumps, and now am jumping it when the opportunity arises.
The board appears to be holding up pretty well!! 
 
I havent tried out an "epoxy" bump-and-jump, but have tried out the 8'8"
glass bump-and-jump.  Overall, the board felt good but needed a more wind
to get going than my 8'8" (to be expected).
 
E

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From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:44:49 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep14.060945.26243@leland.Stanford.EDU> janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek) writes:
>
>For that matter, should sail sizes increase in constant proportion (as many 
>sail models do) or should they increase in fixed increments (as some do)?

In my opinion, you should get the smaller size sails closer together 
(i.e. smaller intervals) and the larger ones further.  In high winds,
.3m^2 of sail makes a big difference.  

It seems like you're sailing mostly in the Bay area.  If I were you, 
I'd just buy a really good sail in the 5.3 to 5.7 range since it seems
like 90% or more of the time that's the sail to use in the bay.  
There's no point in really shelling out a lot for other sizes if you
never really use them that much.  

So, instead of having 3 mediocre sails, you may prefer to get one top
of the line sail (which you use 90% of the time) and 4 cheapo sails 
for the other days.  

Essentially, by doing this, you're getting more sailing pleasure for
the dollar spent.

-Payman
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From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Subject: USWA Address
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:07:37 GMT

USWA
Box 978
Hood River, Or 97031

503-386-8708

I think dues are $20/yr
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From: meehan@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Ken Meehan)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:58:50 GMT

In article <price.715958437@helios> price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>robg@Cadence.COM (Rob Garneau) writes:
>
>>A few people were talking about wearing a PFD in case their board got away
>>from them and they were not able to swim fast enough to catch it. Has that
>>ever happened to anyone?
>

It happened to me once.  I fell off the back of the board during a jibe.
The sail fell back with the boom across the board, the tip of the sail
in the water.  The board proceded downwind.  It was a slalom board with
a 5.0.  I am a good swimmer but could just about keep pace with it.
It would disappear between the swells.  I flagged down a passing boat
and asked them to grab the rig.  They insisted I get on board the boat.
By the time they got the boat pointed into the wind and I got on board
my rig was almost out of sight.

This happened at Kalmus Beach on Cape Cod near the boat channel.
The board and rig where headed into Lewis Bay.

Ken M.

>It happened to me on a Hobie 18 (catamaran). I had to swim to shore in less
>than hospitable conditions.
>--
>chad
>price@helios.unl.edu
>cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Roersma)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Board rental in LA county
Keywords: windsurf, rental, la
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:15:23 GMT
Distribution: rec

johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki) writes:

>In article <chuck.716189216@merope>, chuck@micro.caltech.edu (Chuck Higgins) writes:
>>  I am very interested in getting back onto the water, but can't put out the
>>cash for my own board now;  where is the best place to rent a sailboard in 
>>Los Angeles county, or in San Diego, California?  Any recomendations for
>>places to go (lakes or beaches, etc).  Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>>            Chuck Higgins, Caltech EE

>I'd think that someone would rent them on Alamitos Bay up in Naples,
>but I didn't see anything the one time I went surfing up there.
>Wind's much better in Alamitos/Seal Beach, BTW.
>
>		-John Kalucki
>		johnk@gordian.com

   One shop used to rent boards on Alamitos Bay at one time, but I
think the liability risks / insurance costs got to them.  As far as
Seal Beach and Long Beach, though, the closest shop which rents out
boards is Long Beach Windsurf Center, on Ocean Blvd.  The cost is
getting pretty high, though, I think $50/day now :-(

---John Roersma
jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: colas@capa.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Alpha 282
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:47:33 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Sep4.113128.18003@walter.bellcore.com>, ngs@sailor.bellcore.com
(Ned Stoffel 21374) writes:
|> I am considering replacing my badly abused Seatrend 9'1" with
|> a Alpha 282 for $450. The word I have is that the Alpha is
|> slow, but a great handling board that is virtually 
|> indestructible. Any comments? 

polyethylene/polypropylene boards are slow, but most important "liveless".
You will definitively miss the "spark" factor you enjoyedd on stiff boards.
Real small boards with great shape such as the small recent tigas are great,
though, (efficient if not enjoyable), MUCH more than the alpha.
In fact, on a course they have the same speed as most of the "stiff" boards...
So I'd advise trying to find a tiga rather than the alpha which always
get abysmal reviews in tests. Having owned a Seatrend I doubt you would be ever
pleased by the feeling of the alpha...

-- 
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Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
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From: osuch@islsun.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such)
Subject: BARN SALE - Biggest Used Equipment Sale in W. NY
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Distribution: ny
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 21:09:40 GMT

The Best and Biggest selection of Used Windsurfing equipment in
Upstate New York.  Sell your used equipment, buy some used stuff
at great prices.   Saturday and Sunday, September 19th and 20th at
the Pittsford Farms Dairy, Across from the Depot Restaurant on
N. Main St in Pittsford, NY.  Hours are 9am - 5pm on Sat and
9am - 1pm on Sun.  For more details, call Peter Britton at
716-248-3150.

(Equipment dropoffs on the 17th and 18th.)
From: yurkon@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu (IRBF)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Right of way
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:21:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NSCL Michigan State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Could anyone tell me whether Sailboards are considered to be sail powered
vessels in Michigan, or whether they are just toys?  Our local DNR and sherrif
seem to think that sailboards have no right of ways when encountering powered
vessels or sailing vessels on the appropriate tacks.

Also, I would like to know of any saiboard organizations in Michigan.

	Thanks,
		John
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Multi-Sail (two sails in one) recommendation ?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:33:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

What I'd really like is a sail that can be reefed (or somehow reduced)
without getting out of the water.  Is anybody working on that?  --Luigi
From: kjurena@lonestar.utsa.edu (Keith R. Jurena)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Helmet Foam
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:55:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep4.172457.3489@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.184702.3851@leland.Stanford.EDU> janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek) writes:
>>I'm a little disturbed to see the suggestions from Bruce Spedding and Ken
>>Berger for removing the liner from a helmet so that it fits over a hood.
>
>Most removable foam padding is solely to assure a fit.  The soft
>velcroed stuff does absolutely nothing for impact, but it is there to
>make sure that the helmet stays on the right place on your head.  On
>vehicle type helmets (motorcycle, bicycle) the energy is absorbed by
>the hard styrofoam.  However, for mountaineering and construction, the
>needs are mostly to deflect point blows rather than absorb the kinetic
>energy of the head, thus they have light suspensions and a hard shell.
>I'm not sure where canoeing helmets fits in this taxonomy.  I think
>that windsurfing helmets fall more in the category of
>mountaineering/construction helmets - mostly you're afraid of the mast
>(or rarely, the board) coming down on your head.  For this reason, be
>careful using the all styrofoam bicycling helmets for windsurfing -
>they're not as good for point impacts.

      Most major brands offer a microshell and reinforced models.
      These hold up better against point type impacts as they
      don't fall apart as easily.  IMHO the ones cast with a mesh
      in the foam are the best.  Performance Bicycle Shops has
      a good one (their own brand) for a few small clams (dollars)
      Bicycle helmets are beneficial as they weigh almost nothing
      but absorb heavy blows.  You won't overheat in one either.
From: eaa02@parakeet.amdahl.com (Earl Armas)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Want Info On ASD/Other Composite Boards
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:17:54 GMT

In article <20970055@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, waltm@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Walt Menge) writes:

|> BTW the new ASD's don't have the breather unless they may be
|> air shiped.  They found the layup so strong they don't
|> need them. 
|> 

Walt,
 
Are you talking about the air plug located at the tail?  If so,
does this mean I no longer need to use this? 
 
Thanks, 
Earl
 
PS.  Are you going to the Speed Check at the Embassay this weekend?
 

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From: kramer@hermes.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Subject: Breathing holes
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:44:21 GMT

|> BTW the new ASD's don't have the breather unless they may be
|> air shiped.  They found the layup so strong they don't
|> need them.

Speaking of breathers, I will be transporting an Alpha 120 (1990) across
the country in the near future. Does anyone know if this board has
a breather?

Thanks
David

David Kramer                        |
Dept of ICS                         |
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From: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Subject: MORE LOST IN THE BAY--LIQUID REWARD
Reply-To: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:53:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.194209.8386@leland.Stanford.EDU> jouaux@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Francois Jouaux) writes:
>
>	SO IF ANYONE HAS SEEN, HEARD OF A NORTH PRISMA 5.5 RIGGED EITHER
>DRIFTING IN THE SOUTH BAY WATERS OR LANDED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN DUNBARTON
>BRIDGE AND SAN MATEO BRIDGE (ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BAY),
>

Sorry to hear about your lost rig.  I had a similar experience the
Monday before last, sailing just north of the Dumbarton.  I got stuck
in the ebb tide in the channel at 7pm right when the wind shut down.
Shouldn't have been out in the middle so late, but, you know, it
happens.  After failing to get going I tried self rescuing longboard
style, albeit on my 9.0 Seatrend.  The swells kept smashing me which,
combined with the drag of the rig, made progress very slow.  All the
while I'm ebbing north at about a 10 knot clip.  The channel is
relatively shallow that far south, so it REALLY flows.  Light was
fading fast so I made a painful decision to ditch my rig.  First I
just ditched the sail and mast, hoping to save my boom.  But paddling
with a boom between you and the board doesn't really work, so I
ditched the boom too.  Without the rig I started to make decent
progress and got to terra firma after 9pm.  The worst part was groping
through the mud the last 1/3 mile.  Even if I still had my rig, I
doubt I could have got it through the mud.  Ended up walking with my
board on my head to Redwood City.  Brings a whole new meaning to the term
"boardhead."

Anyway, let me know if a 5.5 Neil Pryde, 2-piece North mast or WH
tapered boom washes your way.  I'll gratefully give 24 bottles of the
best home brew this side of the black stump to anyone who finds any of
my lost stuff.

Alan "the mudgroper"


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From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: FANATIC JAG Info wanted
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:46:05 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Originator: gerard@bunsen.netlabs.com


I have been thinking about a new short board for a while. I want a board about
8'8" approx 85l that I can jump and have fun with in high winds. For 
durability and warranty reasons I am inclined to stay with a production
board. ( I have had a great time with my Mistral Screamer). One of the
boards I have an interest is the Fanatic JAG. Anybody sail/use this board?


gerard
From: jmp@phoenix.irv.icl.com (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Bay area/Rio Vista conditions this weekend??
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:03:16 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine CA

Greetings!

A friend of mine and me are heading up north (from down south :^) this
Labor Day weekend, and are wondering what the outlook for wind is, either 
in the bay (Candle Stick, Coyote, Berkley) or at Rio Vista.  We are planning 
to sail both places (weather permitting), so information on either would be 
helpful.  

I called the RV windtalker at 10:30am 9/3 and the report was 16-32 ave 24,
and had been averaging 22-24 for the last hour *8^).  Any speculation as
to wether this will hold up through the weekend?

BTW, I am planning to demo the some high wind boards this weekend:

	AHD 255
	Mistral Esctacy
	F2 Axxis

Any comments on any of these boards??  I'm 6'8", 220lbs and am hoping to be
able to use a 5.0 and down easily, and it would be nice to sneak a (powered)
5.7 occasionally on any of these boards.  It must be fully jumpable as well!  
Durability is a must, as I am hard on boards (I split the rail on a Mistral 
Screamer CHS in 4 months :-( )
The AHD is looking very promising!

I drive a blue/white Ford Bronco II with a white cover over the spare tire and 
Thule racks with blue pads, and, well, I'm 6'8" tall!  If you see me, 
stop and say hello!

Jim Paugh
ICL, INC.
Mid-Range Systems Division
9801 Muirlands Blvd
Irvine, CA 92713-9593
(714) 458-7282 ext 4556
jmp@al.irv.icl.com