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From: sploke@cayley.waterloo.edu (;-})
Subject: Cocoa Butter
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:36:53 GMT


hi,

Is cocoa butter vegan? What is it made of? 

Thanks.

sploke          
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.145247.25313@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes:
>Maybe someday food producers will make it 
>easier to avoid animal products completely (and at a
>reasonable price).
>
Here here.

>By the way, have fellow net members comments about
>other animal ingredients in such things as toothpastes,
>cosmetics, packaging, etc.  It seems that industry has
>found a use somewhere for everything but the squeal.

Conspiracy theory stuff if you ask me:-)



-- 
Michael Traub
From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: B12 strikes again!
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.215953.12911@pixel.kodak.com>, young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young] (x37176) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.202321.11967@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
> >In article <76308@ut-emx.uucp> star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett) writes:
> >>For what it's worth, it took 28 years for my B12 reserves to be used up.
> >>Only after that did the symptoms begin to start.
> >>
> >Really! What are the symptoms?
> 
>    "The classic B12 deficiency diseases are [either] pernicious anemia or
>    megaloblastic anemia."  Other symptoms include "irreversible nerve damage
>    resulting in disorientation, numbness, tingling, moodiness, confusion,
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^
>    agitation, dimmed vision, delusions, hallucinations, and/or dizziness."
     ^^^^^^^^^
    
I'm not sure if I would have noticed these symptoms. :-)
Seriously, the symptoms set in (and I had reached the end of my reserves)
about the same time I was going through something in life that could 
be described as devastating. So, I had many of the above symptoms already,
from that, I think.

>    Since B12 is a critical participant in cell mitosis, "loss of cell
>    formation in the digestive tract causes nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite,
>    poor food absorption, diarrhea, and increased likelihood of malnutrition."

Ditto.

>    Faulty skin cell production "causes dermatitis, and changes in the lips
>    and tongue."  "Reduced formation of platelets causes poor blood
>    clotting, and bruising."

I am really surprised fatigue is not mentioned. 

Regards.
Susan
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarian cookbook
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:07:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1992Jul30.205013.1@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca>, szathmary@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Could someone suggest a good basic vegetarian cookbook? I am interested in
> trying some recipes.
> 

Vegetarian Epicure
Vegetarian Epicure, Book Two
Moosewood Cookbook
Enchanted Broccoli Forest
New Recipes from Moosewood Restaurant

Richard

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: afraser@julian.uwo.ca (a.   fraser)
Subject: RECIPE: Bran Muffins (lacto-ovo)
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:19:53 GMT
Keywords: fiber and then some


Well, several people asked about this recipe, so here you go: 




                       M.T.'s BRAN Muffins


          _
         |  1 1/4 cup flour (wholewheat or a mix of white and wholewheat)
  mix  --   3 tsp baking powder
         |_ 1/2 tsp baking soda

         
  add    1/3 cup oil  (I use corn oil)
         2 eggs       (to cut down on cholestrol, I sub 2 egg whites
                       for one whole egg)
         1 cup skim milk
         1 (19 oz) can of crushed unsweetened pineapple
         1 1/4 cup blueberries
         6 cups of natural bran 
 
  Mix together in the order indicated (the bran should be added last).
  Put in 12 large muffin tins. Bake at 325 to 350 for 30 to 45 minutes.


      Comments: The muffin mix will not "drop" into the muffin tin, so I 
                lightly pack the mixture into "balls" and then drop the
                balls into the tin. This technique may not allow the muffins
                to rise as much as they might have; however, they don't
                tend to rise much anyway.
                
                I made this last batch with only one egg, they tasted fine. 
                
                I also added more blueberries maybe 1/4 cup more this time.



History:  This recipe was invented by a friend of mine with goal of
          drastically increasing the amount of fiber in her diet (and
          clearing up problem with constipitation).  
          After much experimentation she came up with the above.  I do
          want to add that some people react quite 'urgently' a few hours
          after eating one of these muffins, so go easy with the first
          one you try.
          In my opinion, these muffins blow store-bought fiber
          additives (including metamucil) out of the water.



Cheers,
Jan.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: carroll@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: RECIPE (vegan): Spicy Baked Potato Slices
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:48:40 GMT

In a similar vein to a recently posted potato recipe... the following is
my own creation. Everyone who's tried has been crazy about this. It's one
of my favorite side dishes.

Take a couple of potatoes. Scrub them clean. Cut them into slices, 
about 1 cm thick. Put them into a large bowl. Over the top, sprinkle
about 1-2 tsp of light vegetable oil. Then, shake in:
	- LOTS of curry
	- a dash of cayenne pepper
	- lots of black pepper
	- lots of paprika
	- a dash of chili powder
	- salt, if you like the stuff
	- garlic powder

Cover the dish, and shake vigourously. The oild should make the spices
stick all over the potatoes; they should have a dark red/orange color
if you've used enough spice.

Put them onto a backing pan. Put into a preheated 400 degree over. After
approximately 20 minutes, turn them, and let them cook for another 10
minutes, or until the surface of the potato starts to bubble a little.

Dig in, they're done!

(Note: If you really want, you can do without the oil, provided you have
_very_ good non-stick baking pans. )

	<MC>

-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     ||"I live to see my fondest dreams realized,
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| Of living under the sights and sounds of
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || the gifted, Who gave so much to me"
|| carroll@udel.edu             ||   - _Feed_the_Fire_, Happy Rhodes
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Poultry Workers
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:13:11 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:

> In article <charlesv.711041402@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> charlesv@aupair.cs.at
> 
> I wrote >#
> >#I don't think this is any reason. Those women are  not forced  to work
> >#there.  I don't think they deserve any  sympathy from anyone, not even
> >#from the  bacteria  that caused one  of them warts.   Those women  are
> >#asking for trouble and  are  having  it. The men are perhaps  not free
> >#from the same problems.
> >
> >Why don't you go out and get some experience in the labour market, and
> >in life? Your callous remark tells me that you have no understanding of
> >how most people live, and the kinds of choices they have in their lives.
> 
> I guess  I  don't have much understanding of  how  people live and the
> kinds of  choices they have. If they are  offered work in  a  militant
> organisation (read according  to your  convenience  : army (private or
> government),  terrorists, freedom fighters, mafia),  and if that seems
> to be the only possible  work that they can get, should they take it ?
> I don't know. Some thieves steal because that is the only way they can
> survive. Should they steal ? I don't know. 
> 
> In case of  those women,  they survive on  the  deaths  of hundreds or
> thousands  or possibly millions of  animals. Should  I  have  pity for
> them ? No. More work can be created for insurgency  and instability in
> various regions of the world, and there are governments willing to pay
> a  heavy  price to  support  such  activities.  This kind of a  labour
> market is not respectable. 
> 
> >
> >Sorry, but I cannot think of any nice way to reply to the above comment.
> >And a reply it deserves!
> 
> That's all  right.  Perhaps you could reply now. I too have  questions
> unanswered, and am willing to listen to opinions and facts.
> 
i am not sure exactly what you are getting at.  are you suggesting that 
the american poor class rise up in revolt to protest inhuman work and 
working conditions?  if not, i am really not sure what you mean by the 
last paragraph.  but i think these women deserve a little more sympathy 
than you are giving.  in a one-industry town, there isn't a lot you can 
do if you are poor and raising a family.  in the are i grew up, the poor 
worked in shoe shops and textile mills.  in other parts, chicken packing 
and other meat packing plants are what there is.  if you want to offer 
these people money to settle elsewhere, i'm sure they'd take it, but 
holding them morally blameworthy for a system that victimizes them and 
that they did not create is unfair.

                                           -ailsa

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com   or   io81409@maine.maine.edu
 
are you on fire         what will replace the rent with the stars above,
from the years,         replace the need with love,
what will you give      replace the anger with the tide,
for your kid fears?     replace the ones, the ones, the ones that you love?
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young (x37176)]
Subject: Re: a couple of....
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 11:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.082656.29833@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.213651.3307@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>>In article <1565vbINNc27@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>>>
>>>Laying (unfertilized) eggs is nothing but the chicken's menstruation.
>>
>>	And cooking fresh corn-on-the-cob is boiling living embryos alive...
>>	usually followed by consumption of the corpses.  So what?
>>
>Try a threaded newsreader Rich, they are ever so helpful.

	Yet ANOTHER country heard from.  What on earth are you complaining
	about now, Michael?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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From: rodneys@Apple.COM (Rodney Somerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:25:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>I agree with Cher about the sugar part. But I prefer sweeteners like
>>brown rice syrup, maple syrup, date sugar, and concentrated fruit juice. 

>Which are all sugar.

What is so bad about sugar?  I ask this for curiosity sake, not to try to
promote sugar consumption, so no flames please.

-Rodney

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: terri@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (St Theresa of the Net)
Subject: Re: B12 strikes again!
Organization: Computing Something Division
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:22:04 GMT

In article <76434@ut-emx.uucp> star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett) writes:
>The moral of this long tedious post is: B12 deficiency is serious.
>If you are vegan, and there is ANY doubt that you may not be getting
>enough, please take a supplement. Serious damage can occur, some
>damage may be permanent, and quality of life suffers tremendously.
>Any recovery is extremely slow and tedious. 

Even slight deficiency can be a major inconvenience: at one point a couple
years ago, i was depressed, tired, oversleeping constantly and completely
without energy, and this was before i started focusing on food and exercize
in my life... I went to the health center, and the doctor gave me oral b
complex supplements. i'm pretty sure b12 was a major part of the problem...

-- 
A little bit of uh huh and a whole lot of oh yeah.   \  (414)CRUSH-13
T. Flynn's Casa de Interesting: 1755 N Cambridge Ave #306 Milwaukee WI 53202
From: rodneys@Apple.COM (Rodney Somerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: eating meat (no flames, please)
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:39:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Thanks to everyone for the replies.  One of the places that I will be
travelling happens to be Tibet.  Unless I want to subsist on a diet of
nothing but noodles for a month (they are probably egg noodles) I don't
have much choice about eating some meat and/or dairy products.  Since I am
a vegetarian for health reasons, I don't have any ethical concerns that
would keep me from eating meat.  I do advocate vegetarianism for both health
and environmental reasons.

-Rodney

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From: kgerman@eatdust (Karyn German)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Veg burgers--is this as good as it gets?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:21:05 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Communications -- Information Technologies

In article <92211.174107KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET> KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>I am a 3/4 vegetarian, and I've been trying to find something to satisfy
>my occasional cravings for any hearty food besides pasta and rice.  I
>bought a meatless burger mix called Nature's Burger made by Fantastic
>Foods.  It's ok, but not great.  This is the only brand I can find
>around here in the supermarkets.  Can anyone who has tasted this brand
>tell me if this is as good as meatless burgers can be?  P.S.I'm not
>into cooking with Tofu.   Any help would be appreciated!
>                          Kathleen

Around here, Denver/Boulder, you can find quite a few different
varieties of frozen veggie burgers in the specialty markets (particularly
Alfalfa's).  My favorite so far has been the Garden Burger brand, but
it is lacto/ovo.  I just tried Ken and Robert's, which is almost vegan
(it contains, I believe, a milk derivative in the soy cheese :'( ).
Both of these brands have about 17% fat calories, which is a lot less
than some of the other frozen brands, which can be 50% or higher.

- Karyn
From: stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Date: 29 Jul 1992 13:20:43 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s21.ira.uka.de

In article <CC.92Jul29101939@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul29.001035.13414@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> oldman@coos.dartmouth.edu (Prakash Das) writes:
|> 
|>    Is this correct? Then how are they produced? Curious.
|> 
|> Hens lay eggs whether or not they've recently had sex; especially battery
|> hens. 

Laying (unfertilized) eggs is nothing but the chicken's menstruation.

 							        Achim
_____________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
or eat fish.


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: rec.food.veg FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS LIST (FAQ)
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 08:16:35 GMT

In article <5020481@hpindda.cup.hp.com> gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz) writes:
>Some idiot wrote:
>
>> OK I HAVE SOME MAIL FROM YOU BUT I CANT REPLY TO ALL
>> OF THEM SO I SENDING THIS MESSAGE.  FIRST PEOPLE SAID
>> I AM NOT A VEGITERIAN BECAUSE I EAT FISH.  LISTEN A
>> FISH HAS NO NERVES!!! SO IT CAN"T FEEL AANYTHING SO IT IS
>> LIKE A VEGITABLE!  IT IS NOT LIKE MEET!  THAT IS THAT.
>> [...]
>
>----------
>
>   1.  Fish have nerves.
>
>   2.  What have nerves got to do with it?

I am under the impression that it is due the sensory neurons that one
can feel. So if an organism does not have nerves, it is not likely to 
understand that  it is  alive or dead, besides not being able to feel 
pain. That fellow  does not have access to posting news, so he posted
from someone's account and has not been heard of for a while.

>   3.  Paramecia do not have nerves, yet are able to detect outside
>       stimulus from their environment.   Perhaps they feel pain.  Only
>       they know for sure.

Perhaps not. Not even jellyfish.

>
>   4.  The level of ignorance expressed in the above original paragraph
>       defies belief.



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From: uubrian@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRIAN BENTZ)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: vegetarian/vegan in Phoenix
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:30:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Can anyone recommend any good vegetarian or vegan restaurants in or
around the Phoenix area?  My girlfriend and I are planning a trip there
soon.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Brian
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: SUMMER FUN
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:39:21 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

On a nice summer's day when the birds are singing and the grass is growing,
there's nothing more fun than to take my shotgun from the mantle and go out
into the woods and wait by the stream till a doe comes to quench her thirst
where then I'll SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER (oh, what a charge!), and PUMP HER HIDE
FULL OF BUCKSHOT. Then I'll GUT her with a knife and SPILL HER STEAMING EN-
TRAILS ONTO THE GROUND & RIP OUT HER BOWELS & DRAG HER BLOODY CARCASS HOME,
where my wife will chop it up and bar-b-que it on the grill...mmm-mmm good!
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: Moral Confusion
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:01:32 +0000


> In article <1992Jul14.203317.1142@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanfor
 (Stephen P. Guthr
> ie) 
> writes:
> >Warning - not directly related to vegetarianism!!!
> >
> >In my home country of Australia the proliferation of kangaroos has led to
> >a government cull program, whereby a certain number of the animals are
> >slaughtered each year in order to protect the environment and prevent
> >many of them dying of starvation.

[....]

> >Leaving aside the religious 'humans have souls, animals do not' argument,
> >what is the difference?


We aren't trying to farm sheep in Ethiopia......   8-(

(I'm in a cynical mood today)


No-one shoots kangaroos because "there are too many roos", no-one
clubs seals because "there are too many seals". No - it's because
whatever animal is about to be killed is eating/trampling too much of
a commercially important product (sheep grazing, fish, young trees
whatever), and the farmer/fisherman wants to stop them destroying so
much of it.

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: rreid@diana.cair.du.edu (Robin R. Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Santa Fe Dining...
Summary: Where to eat in Santa Fe?
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:19:33 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

My wife and I will be in Santa Fe, New Mexico in August to see
the opera and to eat.  We've become vegetarian since our last visit
to that lovely city, so we have NO idea which restaurants to try.

The Pink Adobe was wonderful - do they have vegan dishes?

HELP!

Thanks in advance.
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Vegan)
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:51:51 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Jul21.141930.28533@abo.fi>, abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.174145.13482@reed.edu> zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) writes:
[....]
>>1 cup tofu (cubed)
>>1 egg
> 
> *** ??? ***
> 
>>1 medium tomatoe (diced)
> 
> Dan Quayle for president
>>
>>I will send more shortly!
> 
> Vegetarian only, please.

I *DON'T* believe it.  Zeke goes through the trouble to post a whole
bunch of recipes and you flame him for including *ONE* ovo one?  Sheesh,
just leave out the egg.

Thanks Zeke, I look forward to trying your recipes.    :-)

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Sugars (Re: Aspartame)
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.162918.20696
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul21.094311.5706@iscsvax.uni.edu> howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>But they are not white, refined sugar. A letter was posted from 
>C&H Sugar company about a month ago which stated that white, refined
>sugar is made white by filtering it through dried cattle bones. Wishing
>to not use animal products, this makes white, refined sugar unacceptable to me.

No argument here.

>As I understand it, sugar products such as brown rice syrup, maple
>syrup, date sugar, and concentrated fruit juices are fructose sugars, 
>not sucrose. These products give a moderate sweetness. As they contain
>more complex carbohydrates than simple sugars, they enter the bloodsteam
>more slowly, and do not provide that "high" that is followed by a sharp
>"low", which encourages a sugar craving bordering on addiction.

I'm pretty sure maple sugar (for example) is almost all sucrose.
Fructose is definitely a simple carbohydrate.  However, it needs to be
converted to glucose to be metabolised, and this occurs in the liver.
Thus, there will be a lag in blood glucose levels compared to ingesting
glucose and sucrose.  Whether this is really all that important in normal
healthy individuals is quite debatable.  This "sugar high" is mostly a myth,
and the result of suggestion.

>There is
>a book called "Sugar Blues" which discusses these effects- I don't have
>the author with me. 

I'd put this up with the "Yeast Connection" for scientific accuracy
and hysteria-mongering.

>I have another reason for using especially brown rice syrup. It is 
>a product made from organic brown rice, by Lundberg Farms in (I think)
>California. I have a great desire for farming in the United States
>to move towards using less chemicals, and am willing to support with
>my shopping dollars products that are made in this way.

Again, no argument here.

I don't mean to take exception to your actions, and your motives
are quite admirable.  I just get suspicious when undue health claims
are made for one sweetener over regular sucrose, when both are
"empty calories" in the big picture.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer