From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: For Babak wuz Re: MoahA'ereh as well : -) Re: "The Successor" by GholAm Hossein SAedi
Organization: VezArateh Addliyeh 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:32:41 GMT

n article <sehari.703384963@vincent1.iastate.edu> 
sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:


>Yes, I have to admit, Ass Khar agha is too good to live on this earth.  He
>got to go to live with the angles.  On this note, I will  write more articles
>of these kind, to encourage Ass Khar Agha to go to where he will be more
>appreciated.

Well thank you for your support. Just remember that if you continue doing
this, bAyad javAbeh Shamsy KhAnoomo khodet bedi. dar zemn, gonAheh se bacheyeh
yatimeh Asghar AghA ham miyofteh gardaneh to.

>I did not wrote any Maryam Joon Jokes.  I wish I knew some Maryam Joon Jokes,
>so I could share it with everybody on the net.

Please don't.


>  Where were you, when I was getting flamed right and left because
>I had the courage to break the norm in SCI and attack this group last year.

Last year, I had just moved to California and I was utterly confused and
overwhelmed. Ohhh, I get it. You expected me to support you because you
`attacked` somebody last year? How come?

>As I recall, you were one of these who flaming me because I have dared to
>oppose mojaheadine last year!  

Well, your recollection is inaccurate. If I ever did flame you for such an
occasion (which I don't think I have, but let's say so for the sake of argument), 
it would have been for your name calling and method of arguing, NOT for the 
argument itself. I don't care for mojAheddin either. But if *you* really did care
about Iran and the people and what not, you would know better that by 
yelling names and insults, you would not be able to accomplish anything.
Rather, you would put them on the defensive and make matters worse. After all
who do you think these mojAhed sympathizers are? They are people like you 
and me (no offense to anyone :-). In high school, back in Tehran, there were
mojahed kids all over the place. Where do you think they came from? Merrrikh???
They were/are Iranian youth just like the rest of the people in high school.
Some organization was taking advantage of their youth, and passion. Frankly,
almost every political organizaion has done that. What was the end result for
them? They were, for the most part executed. And please don't ask me to provide
evidence for that. We all know it happened. I can't post bullets and a corpse.
Some of them, were rehabilitated in the jails and set free. Why couldn't that be
done with all of them?? Not enough space in "zendAneh Evin"?

>You and your Bahhie's group back in the California.  
I am not bAhAii, but at the same time I don't have a problem with them.
I don't have a bAhAii group in California either. Although it seems like
you are bothered by the way they have been dealing with the recent
flames on the net. Try to be neutral for one second and "kolAheh khodeto
ghAzi kon". If someone comes to me and says things about my sister, DO
YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND AGREE WITH HIM, or if someone comes
to me and tries to *talk* (talk NOT YELL) to me about his/her religion
as they have done on the net. Which one would you side with? Be honest.

>Let me tell you something, I wrote my observations and experience
>on, what your bahhie gang are doing with normal Iranians, like me,  back in the
>California.  The psychological tortures, the negative campaigns, your
>conspiracy against normal people's, jobs, school, and social life. It is being
>published.

Please tell me. I am a typical Iranian, born and raised pretty much like 
the majority of 93% shia moslem. I love Chello-kabab, miss my family, and
"joon midam" for "zoolbiyA-bAmieh". No bAhAii, or anyone else for that matter,
has done *any* of the above to me. But you have done some nasty stuff.
And you expect grace in return? Well you got that too. "digeh chi mikhA-hi"?????

And by the way, we are not "back" in California. You are *back* in Iowa.:-)
Oh, and please don't tell me about rodeos in Iowa. I came here from
Colorado, where all the Iowans come to watch some real rodeo events.
And Iowa State football team has been losing to the Colorado Buffs year
after year. Is that part of the reason you hate my guts? :-)

>No, you can not silence me with any of the methods mentioned above.

When did I ever try? Or who did ever try, for that matter?

>I write not because I would like to run for an office, or become a political
>leader. 
Should I be happy about this? 

>My writing is to inform people, to express my views even
>if it anger many people.  After all, the one who dares to tell a mother your
>son is an alcoholic, should not expect that the mother to prize him, if not
>being insulted himself.   Yes, the one who tells his friends his faults, should
>not expect to be praised for it. 

That's the assumptions you are making about others, based on your own experience.
Maybe if someone else tells *you* about your faults, you have no praise for him.
Maybe if someone tells you that your son is an alcoholic, you will not prize the
teller. How do you know about this? How many mothers have you told about their
alcoholic sons? Think about it before flaming me back. This is not intended to
cut you down. This is to get you to see things from a different perspective. 


>Yes, I have been ridiculed,
>flamed, insulted on this net by people of your gang for my writing.

Babak joon. Please get this into your head. I don't have a gang because I don't
believe in gangs. If I did, I assure you, you wouldn't have lived to tell about it. 
Trust me. 

>I still
>have the articles in which I have been insulted on this net because
>I oppose hemosextuality, because I tried to protect entire Iran from breaking
>apart, because I oppose that Iranian women to be deceived and being taken
>advantage of.  Yes, I use harsh words; However, harsh words are called for to
>express the extend of damage which might be caused by this ill deeds.  Like a
>bitter drag, which is needed to cure a patient.

Except that when you want to "zoor-chapoon" the drug to the patient, the patient
will either throw up on you, or "az howlesh khafeh misheh" and dies. So by this
approach, you defeat your whole purpose. I appreciate your intentions and ideals,
but your approach is very wrong. Let's look at an example:

You can say the following to the same person and get 3 different reactions.
They all *mean* the same to you. They all don't mean the same to the listener.

1. BefarmAyid (please have a seat)
2. Benshin    (sit)
3. Betamarg   (set your ass down)

You be the judge. Or we can go to Judge Whopner (sp?). :-)

Aref


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