HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: S.C.A.A. Readership Statistics
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:22:13 GMT



  Thought you might be interested in knowing that our s.c.a.a. is
  #263 out of 1577 newsgroups in readership.  There are an estimated
  25000 people worldwide who read this group, with 69% of the
  sites receiving this group.  Recent traffic (sept) shows about
  498 messages per month with an 18% crossposting percentage.
  [Where will we be without Dwight???]
  And an estimated 1.8% of all newsreaders read this group.

  To give you a perspective, we're right around sci.math.num-analysis
  at #261 and sci.math.symbolic at #264.  The other s.c.a.a. (african)
  is at #499, and soc.culture.usa at #373.  Of course we can't hope to
  compete with soc.culture.china at #68 and soc.culture.indian at #24.
  soc.culture.japan is at #147, soc.culture.asean at #384, 
  soc.culture.korean at #445, soc.culture.filipino at #804, 
  and soc.culture.thai at #856

  See news.lists for more on the rankings.  Arthur, is this enough
  statistics???
From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: palm reading
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:15:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92279.131529U58402
 <92276.093517U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
 <1992Oct2.204002.20188@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct2.204002.20188@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, tylee@austin.ibm.com
(Ter-Yuan Lee) says:
>>
>> Guess I've got 4 years left :@)
>>
>
>
>To live or to marry? 8=)


I thought the two were interchangable. :@) :@) :@)

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Asian-American Democrats of Texas
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:31:31 GMT

Here's my chance to use the "distribution" part of the heading.  I hope "tx"
means Texas, for I doubt it's useful to anyone else.

On Saturday, October 3, from 10:00-11:00, there will be a "grand opening"
of the AA Clinton/Gore headquarters.  Apparantly someone donated space for
this cause and wanted to show an Asian-American presence.

It's at 3304 Milam (and Steuart) close to downtown Houston.  If nothing else,
there may be free food.  :-)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9328 ca.politics:8354
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 20:41:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>My son is officially one year old this month (guess that's
>two in Chinese years). He's barely walking now. That's
>better than average, but it's hard to avoid comparison with
>his cousin, who was walking at 9 months, or his playmate,
>who could start pointing a things named in Chinese at 9
>months. It will all even out after a couple of years, I
>hope. I can't wait until he's old enough to learn
>conservatism.

>They call Buchanan's convention speech a racist disaster.
>Yet all he said is that he opposes illegal immigration and
>marriage rights for unmarried couples of the same sex.
>Nobody talks about how unions are the biggest force opposing
>illegal immigration and free trade with Mexicans far more
>deserving than coddled Americans. And for all their talk
>about equal rights, how many Democrats would rally for
>giving unmarried same-sex couples the same legal status as
>marriage? That stuff doesn't even fly in San Francisco.
>There is truly a culture war conflict, and James Davison
>Hunter has new book "Culture Wars" that details how the
>counter-culture has escalated from skirmishes into a full
>scale war with traditional culture.

Does this mean you are going to bring you son up to be like
Buchanan? Poor boy, have a heart!! Why not teach him to
be a decent human being with values we grew up with as
Boy Scouts:

You know, Honesty, Kindness, Trustworthyness, Hard Work, Love
for family, country and humanity....

Now really wouldnt you rather you son grew up like Mother
Teresa (with a Nobel Prize) or like Buchanan making anti-
semetic comments :-).

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: Immigrants - The Root of All Evil
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:13:05 GMT

Ahh, yes, but is it "Immigrants" or "The Love of Immigrants" that is 
"The Root of All Evil"?   :-)

Paul Ko.
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: (DJ) Asian-American success (was Re: Hiring quotas and
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:40:44 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|In article <8048@public.BTR.COM> timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
|>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|>|Mr. Lee's posts sound very much like Ross Perot's sound bites.  They
|>|identify what they perceive to be a problem but offer nothing in terms
|>|what they think might be a solution.
|>Well then, what is your solution?
|
|Like I said, Mr. Lee's posts sound very much like Ross Perot's sound bites.
|They identify what they perceive to be a problem but offer nothing in terms
|of what they think might be a solution.

The scratch in your record is too obvious.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: daniel@asterix.uchicago.edu (Daniel Fu)
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:39:33 GMT

In <1992Sep27.195527.14789@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:


>mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
[...deleted...]

>What you seem to be saying is that races do not actually exist.
>Scientifically, racial categories do exist.  I believe scientists have
>identified 12 distinct racial groups.  Race is a valuable tool in tracking
>human history, migration patterns and genetic history.

>It just seems to me that with my original post, I have ferretted out
>people who are closeted racists.  The same type of people who, years
>ago, would say to a successful black, "You're a credit to your race."
>Now these closet racist attempt to hide themselves by denying any
>differences between races.

>Hyok Lee

I think it's the other way around:

rac-ism \'ra^--,siz-em, -,shiz-\ n
(1936)
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and
     capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority
     of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
-- rac-ist \-sest, -shest\ n or adj 
 


I don't know why you're bothering with all this.  Even if we could
agree on an intelligence test that showed a difference, it would only
be fodder for racists of any color.

Dan

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Daniel Fu       daniel@cs.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 09:35:17 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: palm reading
 <1992Oct1.181339.10656@utagraph.uta.edu>

Well, I've had my palm read twice. Once by an uncle of mine in Taiwan,
who read it the "Chinese way" (read left palm because I'm male) and once
by a friend of mine who read my palm the "Peruvian way" (right palm
because I'm male). Go figure. However, both of them said that I would be
married when I'm 32. My aunt who did handwriting analysis said the same
thing.

Guess I've got 4 years left :@)

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
From: wltsai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Wei-Lun Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Can we just ignore Dwight Joe's postings?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:11:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

Can't we just ignore Dwight Joe's stupid postings regarding "Chinese-cu"
and just have intelligent discussions in this newsgroup?

This Dwight guy will post some stupid articles to put down "Chinese culture"
as best he can and everybody will start flaming (which I think is what Dwight
is really after)  The result is that we all are forced to read through
articles that really have nothing in relationship to the purpose of this
newsgroup.

If we just ignore him, I hope over time he will just get bored and shut up.
Or, is there anything we can do to stop his rantings?  Think about it, if 
in his postings "chinese-cu" (whatever he means by that) were replaced by
for example "blacks" surely we would mistake it for a posting written by
a KKK.  How can we tolerate this?  He has the freedom to air his ideas but
only if it doesn't purposely offend a group of people.

In a recent posting he claims that he is against ethnic cleansing yet
he wants to irradicate chinese culture altogether.  He equates all the evils
of this world with chinese-cu.  He suspects people of being chinese-cu (just
like Americans in the '60's would suspect someone they don't like as being
"communist" ).  He claims he is against the beliefs of Nazis but he
believes that Western (i.e. white as implied by Dwight Joe even thought
he would never admit it) thinking should replace "Chinese thinking," If
there is ever such a thing as "Chinese thinking."  (Thus he is implying
Western culture is superior to Chinese culture)

Well, I just hope there is something we all can do to claim this newsgroup
back!

Warren Tsai
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From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Census report
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:32:55 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: usa

lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
|message).  To me this Asian person merely just doesn't give a damn about
|cencus.  By checking "other" he/she had DISTORTED the cencus data and
|cuased an INACURATE COUNT of his/her own ethinic group.  Many
|government agencies use census data when making certain policies .  

Which is not necessarily desirable an all cases.  Didn't the
implementation of Executive Order 9066 use census data to find
out which areas persons of Japanese ancestry lived?

|Distorted census data may hurt/favor some ethnic groups.

True data can also be used by politicians to hurt/favor some ethnic
groups.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:54:15 GMT

   claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:

   As to the person who brought the subject of great Irish athletes, let
   me ask you.  Where are all those Irish athletes now?  Did the Irish
   quit sports altogether?  You are missing the point by bringing that
   up.  The differences that separates a champion from all others are
   minute.  Given a normal distribution of two groups, it is those people
   who are at the extremes of the bell curve who will do exceptionally or
   miserably.  If one group's average is even slightly higher than the
   other, the likelihood of the exceptional individuals coming from this
   group is signifcantly higher.

OK, I'm going to explain this to you, even though I asked you to go
think about it yourself.  

Going into boxing is not a very good way of earning an income.  The
people who do well at it earn a lot, but most people don't earn much
money and they still have to have strangers hitting them in the head
on a regular basis.  Since the expected income from being a boxer is
quite low, and the life is unpleasant, most people who can earn their
living at something else do so.

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, there was pervasive and
blatant discrimination against Irish immigrants, with signs like "No
Irish Need Apply" (for a job).  Given a choice between starving and
maybe doing well in boxing, many young Irish males chose the latter.
The result was a string of Irish boxing champions, that eventually
ended.  Why aren't the Irish great boxers any more?  Because they can
get normal jobs where people don't hit them in the head.

You have to consider what proportion of a population seriously
considers professional sports as a viable economic possibility before
you start getting carried away with genetic ideas.  In today's
America, a white basketball player has to be REALLY REALLY REALLY good
(or from Indiana :-)) to convince himself and others that he'd be
better off trying to play pro basketball than getting some more normal
job.  With fewer job opportunities and generally lower wages at those
jobs, a black basketball player at the same skill level has much less
trouble convincing himself and others that he should go for pro sports
as a career.

This whole business of "racial differences" is vacuous, anyway: you
can't do a scientific study of these questions because there is no
scientific, objective definition of race such that two independent
observers can always produce the same labelling of each member of a
given group of humans.  "Race" is a social construct, and the notion
of race changes as you move among different societies.  From a
scientific view, all you can really say is that humans are a single
species.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:27:09 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:

   Let me address this from a paleo-anthropological point of view, my
   humanities concentration in college.  Physically, there are definite
   differences between races.  Anthropologist measure skeletal bone and
   then place them according to race, sex, age, etc.  Monogoloids measure
   broader across the chest, have flatter nose bridges, shorter thighs.
   Caucasians have leaner measurements.  Female pelvises are broader than
   males', and children's teeth are smaller than adults.  There are
   *equations* defined for these problems.  All this is *obvious*, well
   known, and commonly discussed in anthropology classes.

Ahem.  I think you're making a bit of a leap here.  First off, your
"definite differences" are a statistical phenomenon, much weaker than
what I was looking for.  

When we observe that men are generally taller than women, it doesn't
mean that every individual man is taller than every individual woman,
and it doesn't mean that a sensible way of determining gender is to
decide that everyone above a certain height is male and everyone below
that height is female.

No matter how many "*equations*" are involved. :-)

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Originator: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:05:12 GMT

Hi Folks,
	I was talking to Judy Tseng the other day, and she mentioned
that Hoyt Sze (former militant Asian-American Cal columnist) is
supposed to be on the Montel Williams Show this Tuesday (Sept 29).
This is a cheesy day-time talk show, and it's said to be an
inflammatory segment on interracial relationships.  I don't have a
newspaper or TV, so I can't tell you the time, but if you have a VCR,
it might be worth taping.  It's rare to see an Asian-American male on
TV, and I'd guess Hoyt will have interesting things to say.
					--Alan Hu
From: c60b-1gs@web-1e.berkeley.edu (Allen Tom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Date: 26 Sep 1992 22:24:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Bezerkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-1e.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep26.032712.15431@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>Lately, I have been thinking more and more about differences between the
>races.  Do Asian-Americans do well academically because they are born
>that way or because they're more motivated?  Is it just a coincidence that
>more blacks are in the NBA than whites?
>
>Now if we apply the same logic to intelligence, could it be possible that
>a certain racial group could tend to be more intelligent?  It would seem

How does one measure intelligence? Whoever gets to write the test can "prove"
whatever he/she wants.

>
>I see intelligence as something physical.  If you perform a lobotomy on
>someone, then that person is going to lose some cognitive function.  
>Therefore I ask: if one race is taller than another, why can't one race be
>more intelligent than another?  And by intelligence, I'm strictly speaking
>of academics.  I'm not taking into account creativity, determination, or

Since when does one's performance in academics measure intelligen
Doing well or poorly in academics could merely be a reflection of one's 
assimilation into western culture, or just a reflection of one's "family
values" -- I just had to use that phrase.


It wasn't too long ago when "Orientals" were believed to be incredibly
stupid....


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Census report
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:34:52 GMT

-
     Don't marketing types use census data?  I thought the reason
we're finally seeing Asians and Asian-Americans in advertising is
the 1990 census data shows a dramatic increase in the size of these
two groups (or at least of people claiming Asian heritage).

							George


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9256 soc.culture.asean:6412 soc.culture.korean:4553
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:35:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: memstvx1.1992Sep28.173501.3423
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep28.205957.15097@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <lcedbuINN19k@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...) writes:
> 
> You have yet to prove that it isn't.
> 
>>I contend that it is not. 
>>	Melinda
> 
> I contend that it is.

	Fine.  Contend all you want.  As you are the accuser, the onus is on
you to prove that your allegations are true.  You didn't.  You nitpicked, you
splithairs, you called names, you overgeneralised.  All these shows that you
are not interested in a rational discussion.  So, may I respectfully ask
everyone to please drop this thread?  It gets nowhere, and only uses up
bandwidth.  Someone here thought that the japanese group on irc kicked him out
when he tried to join them.  We can't do that here, but we can certainly ignore
him.  Notice that the rest of the newsgroups listed in the header does that. 
Hmmm, you don't suppose that this Joe guy could all be a great conspiracy by
the other groups against sca?? 8-O *-) *-P :^/
	So, anyway, until he comes up with something solid, please drop this
thread.  Thanx for your cooperation.  Ciao.

-Tai
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:43:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Michael Chang in US Open Semi-Final!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american

john@jho.com (John Ho) posts:
>On the other hand, Kristi Yamaguchi REALLY 
>would rather be a white than a gold medalist with a 
>Japanese heritage.

What makes you believe this?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: "ABC" and Generation 3 (was Re: Looking for roots)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:19:19 GMT

In article <4920088@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:
>I've never been to Japan, although there is a city there which shares my
>surname

[said with incredulous look on my face]

You mean there's a city in Japan named "Petersen"?

:-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american