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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards? (was: 80,000,000 pc's)
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:47:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug26.025236.2140@grebyn.com>, richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.154855.10826@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
|> >Tandy sucks nearly as badly as Atari.  BTW, the 16-bit slot argument is
|> >stupid as there are only a couple of Zorro III boards available.  ISA 

Not really a stupid argument.  As long as the popular clones continue to sell
even their high-end systems (meaning systems with 386, 486) with ISA buses,
ISA will continue to remain the standard.  Now how is this any worse than Zorro
II continuing to prosper?  EISA is the problem, because put a single ISA card on
that bus and you've just reduced EISA to ISA.  Not true with Zorro III.  ISA (and
Zorro II) cards are nice in that they are cheap.  And I believe that the
inexpensive cards should continue to prosper.  16-bit cards work nicely for most
things right?  But there are those few instances where a 32-bit card would realize
a high performance gain.  So ideally, your high end system would have a couple
of 32-bit cards and the rest 16-bit.  This scheme would work sucessfully for
an Amiga like the A3000, but not for a PC clone mixing EISA and ISA cards.
Either somehow dethrone ISA as the standard, making all future cards EISA..
(this seems unrealistic, impractical, undesireable and unlikely at this point)
OR find a better standard than EISA.  I suppose if you have local bus along with
ISA, that would be good enough for the future, but the best thing would be to
come up with a 32-bit standard bus which can take ISA cards without being slowed
down.  Btw, is there an attempt to do something like this?  Or is there something
about ISA which would make this impossible?  So yes, a high end system should
have some sort of 32-bit bus on it that should also accept cheaper 16-bit cards
without a performance hit.

|> 
|> There are Zorro III cards available?  What are they?

PP&S RAM board for the A3000, and the DMI 34020 board(if it really exists)
are Zorro III.  Maybe Rembrandt is too?

|> 
|> BTW, the real "stupidity" (I wouldn't use the word "stupid" myself) of
|> the 16 bit slot argument is that there's only ISA (16 bit) and EISA
|> (32 bit), and it makes little sense to put costly EISA slots in what
|> appears to be a low-end machine.  There's little likelyhood that users
|> will install any expensive EISA cards.

What about high end?  You don't need 32-bit cards for everything, and even
high end users who have the $$ shouldn't have to be forced to stick with
EISA cards for everything.

|> -- 
|> Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
|> OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...

Francis
From: umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daniel Saltel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: OFFENSIVE MESSAGES
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Somebody has got into my user account and has sent offensive messages.
I am sorry that this has happened.  This has been very upsetting.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:25:28 GMT

In <1992Aug30.212831.3304@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Every PC application comes with a bunch of drivers?  What bullsh*t!

>What's wrong with an application having a configuration file?

Driver != config file. The problem with MS-DOS is that virtually all programs
that do non-trivial I/O have their very own driver instead of using a system
supplied one.
This is tolerable when you only have one program at a time though but it
adds work to programmers. MS Windows is a step in the right direction.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:47:03 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Wed  2 Sep 92  8:29, Hyongel@cco.caltech.edu (hyong Chol
wrote:

 HC> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:

>I have a Quadra on my desk at work. It is impressive, for a Mac. The 040
in
>it almost makes the Mac OS as fast as my 030 Amiga at home. Except that it
>still does not multitask.

 HC> <some stuff deleted>

>I just typed the text for an entire brochure while picking up my news feed
>and tossing and linking the messages. On the mighty Quadra, this would
have
>been impossible. The first disk-access would have caused the serial
connect
>to loose a bunch of characters, causing a cascading series of serial
>errors, resulting in a dropped connection.

 HC> Have you actually tried this on a mac? Background kermit and ftp seem
 HC> to work
 HC> fine on my lowly IIsi ...

Yes. I have a Mac Quadra (as my previous posting indicated). I can dial up
my system at home, drop to dos, and download or upload anything I like...
as long as I don't do ANYTHING on the Quadra. 

You have a Mac. Havn't you ever noticed that the serial port stops DEAD
when you load a program, and the program loads a document, or when
PrintMonitor is trying to connect to your printer, or when someone is
grabbing a file from your system through AppleShare, or when you hold down
the mouse button...

I am pretty sure that kermit and your FTP software are more resistant to
these massive disturbances to the serial connection, but my Zmodem
transfers at 9600 baud sure take a beating. As long as I start the
transfer, and then don't do ANYTHING that causes a disk access, I can do it
successfully. That means, I have to have my Wordprocessor loaded in, with
the document I am going to work on loaded up, BEFORE I begin any transfer.
Once the transfer is started, I can then safely work on my document, with
the transfer going on in the background. As long as I don't try to load
anything, save anything, bring up a desk accessory, or anything else to
initate a HD access, then I am OK.

BTW - my HD is a 425 Quantum, formatted with FWB. All "state of the art
stuff", no?

I used to have have a Mac IIcx at work, and an A500 at home. I would
experience the speed shift going home from working on the faster machine
all day. Now I have an 040 Quadra at work, and an 030 Amiga at home. I
still experience the speed shift, but it is now in the other direction...
The Mac OS NEEDS the 040 just to keep up with the slower CPU in the Amiga.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:16:18 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Skip, you insult my intelligence......you couldn't come up with a better
repy than that!
Oh, yes, don't talk about glorified task-switching and the Falcon -
Multi-TOS is fully preemptive - if you want glorified task switching look
at Multi-Finder and windows............


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx02.louisville.edu (Shaitan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EVEN MORE AmigaWhirled LIES!!  FALSE FACTS and MALICE!!!  YARGH!!!
Summary: AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of Louisville
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <52919@dime.cs.umass.edu>, barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barret writes...
> 
>	In the September AmigaWhirled, page 64, paragraph 3, Rick Manasa, in
>his comparison of three audio samplers, says that "AMAS 2 is the more
>comprehensive package."  What a pack of LIES!  How the HELL does he know?
>He doesn't even compare it to the A3000UX, or the Burger King "Whopper", or
>even the package *I* received from UPS yesterday.  Talk about INSUFFICIENT
>RESEARCH.  The guy wouldn't know a PACKAGE from a POMEGRANATE.  He ought to
>be REPEATEDLY WHIPPED with a ROTTEN SALAMI until he CONFESSES his OBVIOUS
>Falcon bias.

Which package would you have suggested?

--Shaitan--

:)

> 
>                                                        Dan
> 
> //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:43:29 GMT

In <1992Sep3.153612.7650@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   Not at all.  The fact is, people often lump SVGA and VGA into the generic
>term 'VGA'.  The statement made by the AmigaWorld reviewer makes the reader
>believe that there is no version of Links available for IBM systems that is
>better than the Amiga version.  This is a lie.

Marc, you wouldn't recognize a lie when it jumped right out of your mouth.

Regards (to the audience),
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: haley@unixg.ubc.ca (Ross MacGregor)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:15:33 GMT

In <1992Aug30.071453.3201@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>(sorting out interrupts and I/O addresses for the damn things).  I agree that,
>in that respect, SCSI is better than IDE.

>But - like me, most people only have a hard drive, even though they have a
>SCSI host adaptor.  Commodore's going with IDE will only influence a minority.

Well, I hope people like you are not designing th A4000. :-)
The atvantages of SCSI far outway the cost savings if IDE. 

So what happens when your hard drive is full and you need more space?
Do you:
1) Throw away or sell your current drive and get a bigger one.
2) Get another IDE interface card and drive.
3) Finally buy the SCSI interface card and SCSI drive.

In each case you lose the savings from starting with IDE and you will end up
spending more money to upgrade *and* losing an expansion slot! 

I am sure glad that when I need more disk space I'll just have to buy
another SCSI drive and plug it in.

A4000 with IDE, you GOT to be kidding!

-- 
Ross MacGregor           |  These views are my own and can be considered 
haley@unixg.ubc.ca       |  absolute truth.
From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Sucks and Amigoids are Suckers
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:50:46 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Aug31.030512.11722@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery) writes:
> Amiga Owners:  Cock Suckers...!

	This is obviously a man of fine taste.

                                                        Dan

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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:13:25 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Tue  1 Sep 92 10:12, Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N Barrett
wrote:

 BNB>    What you saw was probably not Links 386 Pro.  It was probably the
 BNB> older 
 BNB> and weaker VGA version running on the SVGA machine.  The fact is,
 BNB> the Amiga
 BNB> version of Links has a screen resolution of 320x200, which is
 BNB> exactly the
 BNB> resolution of most C-64 games.  Links Pro 386 has a screen
 BNB> resolution of 
 BNB> 640x480, which is almost five times as many pixels.  Links 386 Pro
 BNB> also uses
 BNB> a color palette that is almost as wide compared to the Amiga's color
 BNB> palette
 BNB> as the Amiga color palette is compared to the C-64 palette.  

 BNB>    Since it is obvious that you have not seen Links 386 Pro, just
 BNB> take my
 BNB> challenge: pull out the issues of Discover and AmigaWorld that I
 BNB> mentioned, 
 BNB> open them to the pages I mentioined, and compare the screen shots
 BNB> head-to-
 BNB> head, then tell me with a straight face that I am wrong.  I most
 BNB> certainly 
 BNB> am not.

Well, you got MOST things wrong. Most C64 games have a resolution of 160 x
200 - 320 * 200 was considered HI RES mode on the C64, and just about every
game I have ever seen opted for the 160 x 200 colour mode because it
offered greater colour flexibility.

The C64 had a colour palette of 16 fixed colours.

The Amiga version of LINKS has a colour palette of 4096.

The SVGA version of LINKS has a colour palette of 256.

And I believe you that the screen shot in one magazine is probably prettier
than the one in the other. One might be a screen grab, and the other might
be shot off the monitor. You cannot tell anything by looking at screen
shots in magazines.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:36:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <mac1.714758819@Ra.MsState.Edu>
  <1992Aug26.193555.17935@pdnfido.fidonet.org>

In article <1992Aug26.193555.17935@pdnfido.fidonet.org>
scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:

| [...]
| I think JPEG would be the most suitable file format.  It's small (smaller
| than IFF), and can easily be converted to other file formats.  In the case
| of JPEG, the pictures can also be 24-bit for people with the proper display
| boards.  There are also PD JPEG conversion programs that people can get
| their hands on.  

NEGATIVE.

As even Skip mentioned, "faces" format is far better (esp. for those WITHOUT
an Amiga (yes, there ARE Amiga supporters who don't have Amigas! :-))

Point being: "faces" format is designed with "portrait" mode in mind.

For those who aren't "in" to computer graphics, there are typically two
presentation modes:

	1> landscape
	2> portrait

landscape mode is like the typical IFF ILBM, VGA, etc. and is characterized
by a screen display like so:

	+-----------------------+
	|			|
	|			|
	|			|
	|			|
	|			|
	+-----------------------+

portrait mode is special (designed for people's photos, paintings, etc.) and
appears like so:

	+---------------+
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	|		|
	+---------------+

landscape mode wastes too much space for portraits (unless the portrait is
of someone reclining, nude, such as a Ruebens).

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:56:29 GMT

In article <jbickers.0els@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Sep2.052244.7893@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
>> Wow, guys, any of you with a fast 386 or 486 and maybe a SoundBlaster
>> REALY REALLY ought to try getting the Unreal demo from nic.funet.fi.
>
>    For those of us who haven't managed to get it yet - could you give
>    use a run-down of the effects that it uses? Things like sine
>    scrolls (vertical and/or horizontal?), mirror effects, rotating
>    text, etc?

It has sine-wave text, text that sorta does a 'loop-de-loop' ina
screwing-type fashion - really great.
It does some amazing color things.  VERY VERY smooth!
It has a 3d filled polygon space-scene, ships flying everywhere...
a 'potential well' - looking thing (for all you EE people out there),
called 'black hole' or something, it looks neat.
It has a really neat 'terrain' thing at the end.  Scrolls around really fast,
if any of you have seen t'Powerminger' for the PC, it is similar to that.

I am not too up on 'techniques', mind you... 

ah ahh, maybe you just oughta get it, the music sound great, too.

personally I love 'cheesy Euro-synth'!!  :)
.


>
>> Is this the sort of thing commonly found for Amigas?
>
>    Yes, and not so big... :)
>
>> Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
>--
>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***


--
Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
" BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES BUSH! "
        -George Bush, '92 Republican nomination acceptance speech
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:12:59 GMT

Everyone shouting for news of Falcons! So Atari set LIST PRICE at $799!!
So Atari set LIST PRICE at $799!! So Atari set LIST PRICE at $799!!
So Atari set LIST PRICE at $799!! So Atari set LIST PRICE at $799!!


From: cinnanum@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Philip Crain)
Subject: First Report from Dusseldorf !!!!!
 
 GEnie/Z*NET NEWS REPORT
 Copyright 1992 by GEnie, ST RoundTables, and Z*Net News Service
 

 ------------------------------------------
 ATARI AT ATARI MESSE - THE NEW WAVE BEGINS
 ------------------------------------------
 
 Every year, Atari holds a huge trade show in Dusseldorf, Germany. 
 Spanning roughly four football fields of floor space, the show this
 year is similar in size and attendance to last year's event.
 
 The announcement of the Falcon 030 to the largest Atari show in the
 world was the first order of business.  According to Nathan Potechin,
 "there are Falcons all over the floor of the show, in almost every
 booth."  Clearly, the nearly-accurate profile of the coming machine
 offered by most of the Atari media across the last months was not
 missed by the showgoing Atari Messe audience, and the excitement in
 the crowd was ecstatic as they saw it firsthand.
 
 Many vendors had new applications that expose the power and features
 that are new on the Falcon 030.  DMC Publishing (Calamus) again had
 the largest booth on the floor, spanning 4,000 square feet with about
 40 people working in it alone.  Other large booths included TMS,
 Matrix, 3k, and Maxxon.  Many new products were shown, and we will
 report on them in detail in a later release.
 
 MARKETING PLANS, PRICE FOR FALCON IN USA
 
 The hottest news at 5:00 PM Friday evening in Germany after the close
 of the first day of Atari Messe was the unveiling not only of the
 Falcon, but of the plans that Atari has to market the new machine in
 the USA.
 
 The "base" Falcon 030 will retail for $799 in the USA in a one-
 megabyte configuration.  The next option up the scale will be a four-
 megabyte RAM with 65 megabyte hard drive Falcon at $1,399.
 
 Sam Tramiel told dealers and developers at an afternoon meeting that
 the US launch will begin immediately with regional marketing build-
 ups.  Individual regions of the USA will be targeted, one at a time,
 with major "dog and pony shows" to both woo and educate computer
 dealers.  "Serious" co-op advertising money will be offered to dealers
 who join in the roll-out.  Once enough regions are served by an
 operating dealer network, Atari will launch a national advertising
 campaign.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 10:32:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <13806@chalmers.se> <64904@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug29.171531.827@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

>>Not SCSI??? I would be surprised, and disappointed!
>
>As someone has already pointed out--this might be a smart move on
>C='s part.  A4000 owners can then go out and buy those large and inexpensive
>IBM harddrives.

There's virtually *no* difference between the prices of IDE and SCSI
harddrivers; perhaps $50. Worse, IDE is rarely found in drives much
bigger than 300M, and I'm not sure if a 1G IDE drive even exists.

The reason the IDE drive is cheaper is the price of the "controller".
A SCSI "controller" is considerably more expensive than an IDE "controller".

But it would imply a SCSI card would be an option for this machine, mostly
because expansion becomes a tad problematic on an IDE interface.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:05:02 GMT

In a previous article darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) whines:
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) bawls at Jeff Young:
>
>> Compared to you, the stupidest person that I've ever met looks like a 
>> genius.  You are a perfect example of what has happened to the American
>> educational system due to a Democratic Congress.  
>
>Likewise, Bush was beginning to look like the biggest idiot on the planet
>for trying to pass off his years of corrupt incompetence on Congress...that
>is, until Skip stood up and declared himself so stupid as to BELIEVE him.

You've got a lot of room to talk, you Atari-loving liberal-minded sap
with no family values and a fetish for big-haired redneck politicians
from a piss-poor backwater state.  You would probably dodge the draft,
cheat on your wife with a bleach-blonde no-brain bimbo and the decide
to run for office with the husband of a fat broad who has nothing 
better to do than tell others what they can and can't say.

You and all your Atari Falcon worshipping buddies can go play with your
little toy birds and live as slaves under the butt-heads in Congress
who have convinced you that overspending on social programs will solve
all of the problems.  Of course, if the Democrats have their way, you
won't be allowed to have a better computer than anyone else unless you
have a trust fund and can afford to be a liberal-minded politician
with nothing better to do but sit around thinking up ways to keep the
poor stupid and unemployed.

If you have trouble financing your computer, you can just impregnate
the nearest welfare nanny and take the money that belongs to her kids.
Or maybe you'll get lucky and the liberals in Congress will legalize
drugs and you can sell crack to the little kids.

>(Trivia: What did W.C. Fields say was born every minute?)

You moronic feeble-brained bozo Atari lover!  It was P.T. Barnum and
he was referring to the act that you perform on small furry rodents!

>Thomas A. Darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * record production * dance re-mixing
>darling@cellar.org \\\ music for film * The Cellar BBS:215/654-9184 * FACT


Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu