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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: Train from Europe to Moscow
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:00:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.122731.3637@cs.ruu.nl> jtwessel@cs.ruu.nl (Han Wessels) writes:
>In article <1glod3INNepr@gap.caltech.edu> Feng Yuan writes:
>>Hi,everybody,
>>Does anyone know any information about the train from
>>Europe to Moscow to Beijing?
>>Feng
>
>
>I know that there's a DAILY train from Amsterdam to Moscow, which goes through
>Berlin and Warsaw. Also, I know that there's a direct train from Paris to
>Moscow, possibly daily, too. 
>
>Hope this is any help.
>
>Han.

Here is the schedule of the trains that you are talking about from a
slightly out of date (by four months) Thomas Cook:

Train			241		341		Day
Day of Op		daily		daily		out of Paris

Paris Nord		15:55				1

					from
					Amsterdam and
					London Victoria
					ferry to
					Hoek van Holland

Berlin Hbf				6:07		2

Warszawa Centrania	14:24 <-------	14:24	(by this time it is
						 the same train)

Brest			20:56

Moskva Byelorussia	13:05				3

---------------------  Change Trains -----------------------

				Day			Day
Train #			4		20
Day of Operation	2		6

Moskva Yaroslavski	23:50	1	01:00		1

Irkutsk			3:51	3	5:59		4

Ulan Bator		9:30	5	

Shenyang				20:02		6

Beijing			15:33	6	6:32		7

--------------------------------------------------------------

As you will notice train 4 runs via Ulan Bator (Mongolia) and train 20
runs via Shenyang. Train 20 is actually a section of the train which runs
from Moskva to Pyongyang (N. Korea). The Beijing section is detached
from the main train at Shenyang (China) and sent on its way to
Beijing. Train 4 also runs as a part of a daily train Moskva - Ulan Bator.

A word of warning about the times shown above. They are from a
timetable that is four months out of date so the timings and day of
operation may have changed.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: Vienna
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:50:42 GMT

a boat ride on the Danube to Budapest is also interesting.  only if you can finish
all the sites in Vienna, of course.

one interesting spot for me in Vienna is the cemetery.  if you respect some of the
great composers, that would be a VERY pleasant 3 hours trip.  there is a Mozart
monuement with other famous composers surrounding it.  interestingly enough, Salieri
was put far from this site.  (supposely on the other side of the park, i didn't 
bother to look for it. )


dw.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mks@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (manishkumar.sharma)
Subject: Getting to coastal France from London
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:29:25 GMT

I will be in London in February next year. While there, I thought we could
make a quick 3-day trip into France (see Paris, say). Ideally, we would
like to take the ferry (hovercraft?) from London to Calais or Caen, pick
up a rental car there and drive to Paris or outskirts.

Fodor's guide does not list any London-coastal France ferry service, though
they are available from Dover/Folkstone, etc.

1. We want to avoid travelling to Dover for the ferry. Is there a
ferry from London? If yes, could I have the name of the co.?

2. How is France in febrary? The guide says to avoid France in february (lots
of skiers and school children), but since we have no choice at this time,
we will have to go then.

3. Could you recommend a reasonable motel/b&b outside Paris? We want to
avoid staying in the city if we can help it. We would then drive/bus into
the city for the sights.

(Our other option it to take the bus from London-Paris (via ferry), but
then again we will need to stay in the city in a reasonable place.)

Thanks.

-Manish Sharma
...att!trumpet!mks
Newsgroups: rec.travel,connect.audit
From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood)
Subject: Re: Job information needed for London England
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:52:00 GMT

In article <C01GzK.8AF@ibmpcug.co.uk>, alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon) writes...
>Jobs in accounting in London are the same as any other job here. They are
>hard to find. But there are always short term jobs in accounting. When you
>get here look in the Standard afternoon newspaper.


<*>  I have a question for anyone in the world who knows about 
     employment in or near London.  A few questions I have are:

     1).  Are there jobs for DEC VAX Computer Operators
     2).  Does England have (what we in the USA refer to as)
          a minimum wage?  If so, what is it?  If not, what
          is the average starting wage for Computer Operators,
          and are they in demand?  If so, where does one apply
          and with whom?

     I know that's a lot of 'what ifs', I appreciate any respondants.
     Since I'm going to be in London for two weeks near the end of
     March, and I really love the folks over there, I've given great
     consideration to the posibilities of relocating.

     My E-Mail address is:  BWOOD@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV
     THANKS IN ADVANCE TO ANYONE WITH THE ANSWERS.

     Best Wishes and Happy New Year,

     Bill Wood

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mahadev@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Vadali Mahadev)
Subject: Hotels in Florida Keys area...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:12:23 GMT


Hi Netters:

   I am planning on a trip to Florida, and am interested in 
good hotels in Florida keys area.  Information needed includes
name of the hotels, telephone number if you have it plus 
approximate rates per day/week.  Also interested in the facilities
available at those hotels...
   Please E-mail your replies to:
   mahadev@ecn.purdue.edu

Thanks
Mahadev

Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Info on the price war on North Amercian --> Eurpoe route is needed.
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:23:41 GMT

follow-ups to rec.travel.air.

yau@cs.concordia.ca (Joseph K. K. Yau) wrote: 
->Several months ago, I heard from this news group that there is a price war
->going on on the Europe route. 
->
->Can anyone provide me additional information?

yeah; that was several months ago.  airfares and the conditions which
surround them change pretty quickly.

->I am looking for a return ticket (Montreal <-> Munich) on North West
->airline in the mid January. Can I take advantage of this price war if I
->departure in Montreal. (Possibly connection is required in the US
->gateway???)

the best price i see for montreal to munich on northwest RIGHT NOW
(remember: these things change from day to day) is 732.17 without
taxes.  this fare requires an advance purchase (two weeks before
departure) ... a non-refundable deposit of CAD125 will hold your
reservation until two weeks before departure (what a nice touch!)
on this fare, changes on the return part of the trip require seven
days advance notice, is subject to availability, and will cost you a
penalty of CAD150. ... and, for this fare basis, there were no seats
available on 15 jan (nor are there likely to be: there are no
apparent convenient connections from montreal to any of northwest's
international gateways which permit for easy connections).

->Should I buy the discount ticket first and changed the departure date later ?

this will cost you substantial dollars.  if you want to fly cheaply
you have to be able to make plans and stick with them.  

->Will the return ticket still valid if I decided to stay a little longer once I
->reached Munich ?

see above.

->Oh! one more thing. Should I order this discount ticket from the airline or
->order through a travel agent.

find a local travel agent and use his/her services.  the airlines
aren't interested in dickering with you over the phone to identify all
your options (and, of course, you have to call all the airlines if
you're going to shop the market).  the travel agent can identify good
and bad strategies from the start.

for cheaper fares, you might want to check out nouvelle frontieres
(sp?) ... they have a store front on rue st. denis in montreal.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: OAG access
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:05:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: rhaller.rhaller-281292140328
Followup-To: rec.travel
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu

I know OAG is accessible via pay for play vendors like Compuserve. Is there
any free access to schedule information? I don't need prices or to book
flights, just the ability to see who flies to a particular city from where
and when. I need international info as well as domestic US.

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel to Cuba
Date: 30 Dec 1992 12:37:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Anybody travelled to Cuba as American citizen to give
travel tips?
Is travel still restricted by state department, if so
for how long a stay, any other restrictions?
Sorry I am a bit out of touch but would also like to
hear personal accounts, if verboten for americans, 
what about canadians or brits, etc.


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Frequent Flyer Privilege levels ?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:43:59 GMT

uppal@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Sanjay Uppal) wrote: 
->I am looking for a source of information on frequent flyer
->privilege levels. These are often classified as "Platinum",
->"Gold" and "Preferred" frequent flyer levels.

it's a lot easier to go to your local library and look up the issue of
the consumer reports travel letter which has this information in it.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:08:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Phoenix to Grand Canyon - suggestions?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.travel

For a very scenic drive go north from Sedona up Oak Creek.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
From: rc@netarch.com (Ran-Chi Huang)
Subject: Southern Oregon/Northern California
Organization: Network Architecture Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:09:49 GMT

I'm planning a driving trip to Northern california and Southern
Oregon.

If you have any suggestions as to what I should visit, please let
me know. Also I'm looking for recommendations for bed and breakfast
plces too.

Please reply via email since I do not access Usenet often.

Thanks !
-- 
--
Ran-Chi Huang                                               rc@netarch.com
Network Architecture Consulting., Fremont, CA                   netarch!rc
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Expiring Passport
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:21:22 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) tells the story of an unpleasant
(but ultimately successful) passport renewal in person, concluding:

 >If at all possible, do it by mail - you'll thank your lucky stars.

The last time we renewed ours, we did this.  We certified the mail
(although I don't know that this will have affected the timing).  We
dropped the applications and our old passports into the mail on
Monday evening and had the new ones back on Wednesday afternoon.
Yes, the same week.  (It was at the end of March, 1991.  We had been
told to allow six weeks, and were not rushed.)


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: faunt@netcom.Netcom.COM (Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604)
Subject: Where is the FAQ?
Organization: at home, in Oakland
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:39:32 GMT

I've not seen it for a while, and would like to look at it.  Can
someone post it, send it to me, or let me know where it can be found?

thanx, doug <faunt@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Subject: HELP - Honeymoon in Hawaii
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:56:35 GMT

Hi,

My fiance and I are trying to afford to go to Maui or the main island of Hawaii
on our honeymoon. So far, our travel agent hasn't come back with a package 
(hotel, air, car) that we can afford. It seems the air fare is what is killing 
us. We are paying for our own wedding (in April) so we have limited funds and
are about to write off the Hawaii plans and switch to the Florida Keys. This
is sort of a last-ditch effort. We only want to stay for 3 or 4 nights. We'd like
a moderately nice hotel, and a car for the duration of the time. So far our agent
has come back with a combined price of about $2800 for all of this. Is this 
the best we can do ??? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Email me at zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com    - Direct replys bounce.

Jeff Gracey.



Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dunbar@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Michael Dunbar)
Subject: Nicaragua/El Salvador: travelling to.........
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:47:10 GMT

Just in case my earlier post was missed or deleted over the New Year; I
am travelling to Central America in January (arriving in Nicaragua from
Miami and then travelling to Honduras and El Salvador), does any one
have any tips on places to stay, currency exchange, safety of
inter-country bus travel, border crossings etc etc.
Anything to see or avoid????????
I have the Lonely Planet guide and will be travelling by myself on an
Australian passport.
                     Thanks in advance,
                                        Michael Dunbar.
From: tan@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (william.m.tanenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: St. Martin hotel
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:48:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T

> I've made reservations to go to St. Martin in late February and am
> staying at a relatively new hotel called the Mont Vernon.  Has anyone
> heard of or stayed at this place?
----------
We didn't stay there, but we saw it.   It is a fairly big hotel at the
north end of (mile long) Orient Beach.  We checked out almost every beach
on the French side, and a couple on the Dutch side, and Orient Beach was
the best beach for swimming that we found, and its beautiful.  There were a
couple of other beaches that were even more beautiful, but all were choppy
or had a bad undertow.  From Orient Beach, for $10, you can get a ride
out (and back) to Green Key, (Quai Vert), which has pretty good snorkeling.
-- 
Bill Tanenbaum   AT&T Bell Labs  Naperville IL.
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Security in St. Martin
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:50:52 GMT

BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis) wrote: 
->   A year or two ago I read a letter to the editor of a major newspaper
->travel magazine from an American couple who had been the victims of a
->road hold-up at gunpoint in Saint Martin.  Sorry I don't remember the
->paper, but I recall that the writer implied that such crimes were common
->there and that the police were less than helpful.

of course, this is only one side of the story ... you can't know what
the police did that was so unhelpful.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: tan@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (william.m.tanenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Security in St. Martin
Summary: Not so bad
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:31:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec23.033023.20695@panix.com> pkap@panix.com (Peter Kapner) writes:
>Another in the long list of St. Martin questions:
>
>My girlfriend read tonight that crime is on the rise in St. Martin,
>apparantly in a big way, and that you should even avoid driving at
>night there.
>
>Has anyone who has been there in the past couple of years felt in any
>way threatened?  I can't believe that an island which relies so
>heavily on tourism for its revenue would allow attacks on tourists to
>get too out of hand.
>Any comments?
>--Peter K.
>-- 
---------------------------
I was there two weeks ago for a week.  I did extensive reading about
the Caribbean before picking St. Martin.   Also, I talked extensively
to several long time residents about the island.

Some first and second hand information (of varying accuracy):

1) We felt completely safe, everywhere, driving and walking around the island.
However, we did not go off driving or walking in remote areas after dark.
That's just common sense, not because we were warned not to.  It appears to be
safe to walk aroud the cities (Phillipsburg and Marigot) and the touristy 
areas after dark.  Many people, including many tourists, were doing just that.

2) Crime is on the rise in St. Martin, particularly theft of and
from cars.  The Avis representative insisted that we use a locking
club on the steering wheel of our rental car when we parked it overnight.

3) Crime is supposedly worse on the Dutch side.  We stayed and spent
90% of our time on the French side (much nicer, IMHO), but the car was
rented on the Dutch side.

4) St. Martin is very wealthy by Caribbean standards.  The crime rate
is lower than on most other heavily populated Caribbean islands.  There
is little of the abject poverty that exists on many other islands, and
that I have myself witnessed in many places in Jamaica.  In any event,
the violent crime rate in St. Martin is miniscule compared with that in NYC,
where you are posting from.

5) The relative wealth of St. Martin, and the availability of jobs, has
brought a recent influx of illegal immigrants.   On the French side, many
are from Haiti and the Dominican Republic.  On the Dutch side most are from
poorer islands in the English speaking Caribbean.  The illegal immigrants
are not legally eligible for the generous social services available to
legal residents (subsidized by French taxpayers on the French side).  This
may have something to do with the rising crime rate (speculation on my
part here).

6) The local police crack down real hard on crime, especially attacks
on tourists, which I believe are rare.

7) Go and have fun.  It's not completely safe, but it's safer than most
other touristy destinations.
-- 
Bill Tanenbaum   AT&T Bell Labs  Naperville IL.
From: ngsw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Soon Wei NG)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:42:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Any cheap place to stay in Amsterdam?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.travel

While visiting Amsterdam in Apr91, I stayed at a place called THE SHELTER. 
Its one of the cheapest I could get (US$8 per night - don't know if the 
figure is still valid). The place is excatly what its name suggest, all it
does is to prvide a shelter. No frills. 

The place is a dorm-style accomodation with about 50 beds in a room (a hall
rather). Its pretty "international" with Japanese, Hispanics, African, East
Asians, Chinese, etc. all under one roof. Its a good place to stay if you're
about to write a thesis on THE SLEEPING HABITS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER or 101 TYPES
of FOOT ODOUR.

The Shelter is also just a stones throw from the infamous Red Light district of
A.
  
Have a great trip. 
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Eurail Pass;Thank you;one more querry
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 11:23:22 GMT

> > Well... you guys have been to all these places -- Italy,Spain,
> > Switzerland,France,Greece,Germany etc. Is it fare to say that
> 
> No visa is necessary for these countries.

Actually, this depends on your citizenship.  Not everyone posting from
the US is a US citizen, you know.

> Actually when you cross many of the bouders you won't even know it.

Just because a country may not check for a visa when you cross their
border, it doesn't mean that you couldn't be deported if you needed
one and they happened to later find out that you didn't have it.

Be careful with border crossings.  Don't take advice you get from
Usenet, unless the advice is, "Don't take advice you get from Usenet."
-- 
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto | "History will be kind to me, for I intend
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com	    |  to write it."		-- Churchill

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,social.culture.german
From: yau@cs.concordia.ca (Joseph K. K. Yau)
Subject: Qn on fare info about underground in Frankfurt and London
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:30:05 GMT

Information about London underground and Frankfurt underground is needed:


FRANKFURT
=========
Could anyone tell me what is the fare of Frankfurt underground
I used to travel from the "airport --> downtown Frankfurt" by 
underground, however I never understand what fare should I pay. I usually
select the "green button" on the ticket machine (about 5-6 DM). Is these
the right one for "airport-->Downtown". There is another button for half
the money.
 
I would like to know if the ticket is valid for whole day ride in the
selected zone or is is valid for only 1 ride.

Also I would like to know if the german railway pass cover the underground line
as well ?




LONDON
======
Could anyone tell me what is the fare of London underground. Is the fare
count by ride or is it good for one whole day ? 

Also would like to know if the europe railway pass cover the fare in the 
London underground ?

Thanks! Have a happy holiday!

-Joe

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
yau@cs.concordia.ca

Joseph Koi Kwok Yau
Concordia University, Montreal
Quebec, Canada 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Phoenix to Grand Canyon - suggestions?
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:50:15 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <ljep0hINN5u@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM (Barbara Hunt) writes:

|>I'll be driving to Phoenix (from San Jose) then
|>to the Grand Canyon after Christmas.  Does anyone
|>have any suggestions on places to see, things to
|>do between Phoenix and the Grand Canyon.  I have hiking
|>boots, bicycle and X-country skiis.  I realize
|>there must be a multitude but I don't know the area.

I'd recommend coming back via Sedona.  It's not that much out of
the way.  Go Flagstaff-Sedona-Phoenix.  It's well signposted.  The
view is breathtaking,  I found it more memorable then the Canyon which
is saying something.  Sedona is a real touristy town with ripoff prices
but it's worth seeing.  It's also worth visiting the church in Sedona.

Other than that I don't think there's much worth seeing.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
Newsgroups: rec.travel