From: tennis@ziff.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: FSII -- PLAYER PERFORMANCE
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:47:49 EDT
Organization: Ziff-Davis, Medford MA

In article <1992Oct7.194431.13491@midway.uchicago.edu>, schiller@whorf(Eric Schiller) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.142412.10386@uoft02.utoledo.edu>  
> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> i'm amazed at how chess players are rating the play of the F-S
>> match. i've seen comments ranging from one extreme "they're both
>> playing like gods" to the other "my grandma could beat em with one
>> hand tied behind her back".
>> 
>> this lack of consistancy -- especially at the grand master level --
>> only confirms my belief that even us flunkies out here can make
>> valid assessments of the play. 
>> 
>> in other words, i don't have to know how to paint to know a nice  
> portrait,
>> or know how to play the piano to appreciate music. in fact, i can even  
> be
>> a better assessor of these things since my opinion isn't biased by 
>> professional jealousy. actually, its biased by hero worship ;-)
>> 
>> with this in mind, as a lover of the game of chess, i will assess the
>> playing strengths...
>> 
>> 
>> -----------------------------
>> 
>> i think Fischer, with the exception of a couple of grotesque displays in
>> the early rounds, is playing great!
>> 
>> i think he will pollish off boris pretty soon, and by that time will be
>> back to his old form. he will then take on Karpov and beat him with a
>> score of 10-1.
>> 
>> when he faces Gary in december of 1993, he will publicly embarrass him  
> with
>> an unheard of 10-0 score.
>> 
>> 
>> any other opinions out there?
>> 
>> don wedding
> 
> Was this intended to be provocative, or just silly. No 
> qualified chessplayer in the world agrees with this.
> 
> Fischer has shown no evidence that he can handle Karpov,
> let alone Kasparov. And ridiculous claims of shutouts just
> make you look silly.
> 


Oh, get a grip. Geeeez.



> On the other hand, I could use some money, and would be
> happy to offer odds of, say, 200-1 against a shutout of
> Kasparov, even in a 6 game match.
> 
> But then, I am conservative. 10,000-1 might be a Vegas line.

Then why in Hell should anyone bet with you?? ;) ;)

> 
> Anand-Fischer would be more interesting. I think Anand would
> be about a 5-3 favorite. But then I am conservative! <grin>
> 
> More reasonable odds:
> 
> Fischer-Damljanovic (reportedly next match), 25-1 Fischer,
> 	6-1 on a shutout?
> 
> Fischer-Speelman or Fischer-Timman (3-2 against Fischer)
> 
> Fischer-Karpov (4-1 against Fischer)

Nyyaaaaa.  K seems tired since the last WCs.  3-2 K

> 
> Fischer-Seirawan (5-1 Fischer)


Nope, 5-0 Fischer.  Yaz is tooooo disappointing.





> 
> Fischer-Kasparov (50-1 Kasparov)

Yup, probably.  Much closer if F keeps playing, though.  When F gets back
into shape, he will be a "super GM" again, top 10 no doubt.  Then maybe...
But, given F's "remarkable" temperment, I doubt we will ever know...

Tony


> 
> Eric Schiller
>  
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> Eric Schiller                              schiller@sapir.uchicago.edu
> Dept of Linguistics, Univ. of Chicago      schiller@whorf.uchicago.edu
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