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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:27:51 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Apr9.185505.15191@wpi.WPI.EDU> carrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers) writes:
>>If that's the case, count me out.  I'm not paying major league prices to see
>>minor league talent.  I'll stay home and watch college hockey on cable.
>>
>>Lori
>>
>
>I'm sorry you feel this way.  Minor league hockey is just as exciting 
>as NHL hockey.  As an AHL fan, I can say I've seen games that are much
>more exciting than some NHL games I've seen.  I know of a few AHL teams
>that could play any NHL team anyday and win.  And considering a lot of
>these minor league players are the future of the NHL teams, seems silly
>that you wouldn't be willing to pay to see them now, but will later when
>someone else thinks they are good enough for you to watch.  Maybe we
>shouldn't pick on the players for wanting more money, since some of you 
>guys are really interested in seeing hockey, but more who's playing.
>Those guys must be worth more, huh?  So if a couple players get called
>up and then sent back down, then I guess they were only worth the money
>while they were there?  I've heard it said that AHL hockey is even
>rougher than NHL hockey.  Maybe it's because these guys HAVE to come out
>and work hard every game to make it to the NHL, where people only 
>appreciate them cuz the are in the NHL now, not because they are hockey
>players.

Get off your high horse.  You have no contact with me outside the r.s.h.,
and therefore you have no idea how much hockey I've seen in my lifetime.
If you must know, I've seen all levels, and enjoyed it all.  But as much as
I like hockey, I will not pay NHL prices to see minor league players.  

I've seen Muskegon (the Pens farm team)enough to know I'm not going to pay $21
per game to watch them on a regular basis.  

If I want to see minor league hockey, I'll go watch the Johnstown Chiefs.
The ECHL is a fun league to watch.  And it will be cheaper than seeing a
bunch of pseudo-Penguins and paying for real Penguins.  

Lori
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:55:48 GMT

cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.211313.29566@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:
>>Dave, and the rest of you Adams division team fans (except for the Nords fans),
>>It's not hard to make the playoffs when you have a team like Quebec in your
>>division.  What's their road record? 1-29-8?  Hey, right now they're tied with
>>the Caps road record of 74-75 in wins, 1.  
>> 
>>I find it disgusting that a team like Hartford, who was not on a 5 game losing
>>streak, nor on a 10 game losing streak, but a 2 MONTH losing streak?  Come on!
>>Any team in the Patrick's who would play that lousy would be out of the playoff
>>race since around the halfway mark of the season!

>OK, that's a good argument as to why Montreal has been over .500 every year 
>since 1951.

>Give me a break!  Do you think Montreal would have missed the playoffs
>in another division?  Neither do I.   

I believe the current divisional format was instituted in the early
80's. Therefore, Mtl. has only been in the Adams for 10 years. There were
in the Original 6 for 16 after 1951.

>>
>>The reason that Montreal has such a great record is because they play Hartford
>>and Quebec 8 times a year, and in the playoffs, the team that comes out of the
>>Patricks will be exhausted!  The funny thing is that is what I am hoping for!


See above.

>>
>>I think I said enough...  Any comments?  Suggestions?  Donations? :-)
>> 

>I think you said too much.   :-)

Yup...except that the B's rule (not necesarily in 1992).

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BRI FARENELL	CLARKSON '95	FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU

"It's a great day for hockey."	---Bob Johnson 1931-1991

GO ADIRONDACK RED WINGS! 	CALDER CUP CHAMPS: 1981 1986 

PROUD TO BE A FAN OF USA HOCKEY AND US COLLEGE HOCKEY.




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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: What is a hat-trick ?
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 20:36:02 GMT


I must admit I don't watch hockey nor care anything about it, but sometimes
on news reports (when i watch the news) they mention something on people
making hattricks. What is a hattrick ?
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: AHL?  What's going on
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <UdsoJXe00WBO46Lmss@andrew.cmu.edu> lr10+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Seldin Rosenthal) writes:
>I haven't seen any posts about this is a few weeks.

The Springfield Indians lost last night (in Springfield) in their
first playoff game against the Capitol District Islanders (about 8
guys on this team were Calder cup winning Indians 2 years ago when
the Indians were affiliated with the Islanders. The Indians are
affiliated with Hartford now), 4-1.

Judy


Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Dale Hunter's personal views on the STRIKE
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:38:27 GMT


After responding to a thread on NHL players taking on their arena NBA 
counterparts and saying that I'd bet Dale Hunter must be a real SOB in the 
paint, guess who I ran into while shopping?

Hunts was great. We talked for about fifteen minutes while his kids ran 
around the mall.  Hunts does not see the season being saved.  And he feels 
it is a shame because he feels the Caps had a great chance this season.

When I asked why it seemed so close and if the issue was really hockey 
cards, he said that he didn't think ANYBODY really understood all the 
issues.  His thought was now that they are on strike there are just too many 
opinions to come together in the time frame required to get on with the 
games.

I was open with Hunter and told him what I've said on the net (those who 
have been following know I'm not exactly "pro" player).  To my surprise, he 
agreed with me on some of my views and gave me reason to alter my thinking 
as well.  But the whole thing, in his view, seemed to come down to a show of 
power...ie, the strike is nothing more than a show of wills and not so much 
an argument over issues.

I don't know if Dale Hunter would have spent the time with me any other 
time; my assupmtion (perhaps hope) is that he would.  But I left thinking 
the truth was Dale was as happy to find someone to talk to about the strike 
as I was.

Just thought some of you might be interested in a player's personal views 
that doesn't come to you via the media.

By the way, Dale says hello to the Net.

Warren
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dao@d62iggy.mitre.org (David A. Ondzes)
Subject: Re: Ulf/Acton (Was: Pens-6 Flyers-5)
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 14:09:07 GMT


>Ulf's actions were a direct result of what Acton did to him in the closing
>seconds of overtime at Philadelphia on February 16th.  That's the game where
>Stewart gave all 10 on-ice players game misconducts with around 10 seconds
>remaining in overtime.  When Stewart wasn't looking, Acton blasted Ulf with
>a punch to the face.

	Good, Ulf deserves a cheap shot every so often !

- A hurting Cam Neely fan
From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: San Jose, all the way (was Re: Consecutive seasons over .500)
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:50:58 GMT

Well, Steve, San Jose doesn't have a .500 record, and probably won't have one
in the near future.  Secondly, you better hope they don't go extinct...

I could have sworn that L.A. Kings and Oakland/California Seals were the only
teams (before San Jose) from California, but did you know that the Sharks were
in California in the early 70's?  (for those of you without the 72-73 set of
cards, which I don't have as well, check out the card displayed for that set 
in the Beckett guide, the card shows a player from the L.A SHARKS, and check 
out the logo!)  I don't think the L.A Sharks were the predicessor to the Kings,
and if they weren't, they went the way of the dodo...  Until San Jose revived 
the name.  

Since we are talking about teams being brought back from the dead, of all the 
names Ottawa had to choose, they had to bring back the Senators.  If it were 
up to me, I would get rid of that name (and that Trojan condom logo), as well
as get rid of the senators in the upper house!  (Think back to the stacking of
the senate to pass the GST)
 
    ____
     / o n y.
From: pasche@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Pasche S.,85K3,Tel. x3816)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Switzerland : Playoffs Final (3rd match)
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:06:56 GMT
Reply-To: pasche@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG

Swiss Playoffs Final (3rd match)

Fribourg Gotteron :			SC Bern :
G Stecher				G Tosio
D Hofstetter, Balmer,			D Ruotsalainen, Rauch
  Griga, Bobillier,			  S. Leuenberger, Beutler
  Descloux, Brasey,			  Kuenzi, Ruetschi
  Wyssen				  Clavien
F Khomutov, Bykov, Brodmann,		F Horak, Haworth, Howald
  Reymond, Liniger, Maurer,		  Hagmann, Montandon, Burillo
  Silver, Rottaris, M. Leuenberger	  Rogenmoser, Triulzi, Baertschi

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Fribourg Gotteron  (1-3-1)  5
SC Bern            (0-0-1)  1

Patinoire St Leonard Fribourg
Att : 7800

Goals :

16. Silver (Bykov, Khomutov) (1-0) (pen. Clavien, Tosio)

22. Khomutov (Balmer) (2-0)
25. Brodmann (Bykov) (3-0)
25. Rottaris (Descloux) (4-0) (pen. Ruestchi)

42. Beutler (Baertschi) (4-1)
47. M.Leuenberger (Rottaris) (5-1)

The SC Bern leads the best of five serie 2-1 (4-3 / 11-2 / 1-5)
but yesterday the fans of Fribourg could sing
 "Ca c'est super, ca c'est Gotteron !"
The goalkeeper of Fribourg has done some very good saves.

The next match will be Thursday 9th of April in Bern.

Greetings of Switzerland
     Gruezi aus der Schweiz
            Bonjour de la Suisse

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 ASCOM Hasler AG, Belpstrasse 23          | Fax : +41 31 999 3735
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Salary Cap questions
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:59:19 GMT

In article <Uds7hxO00Uh703km5o@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>So if anyone out there knows basketball and the NBA, I'd appreciate some
>insight.
>

I'm not sure of all the exact details about how it works, so I don't
claim to be 100% accurate, but...

>*Is the salary cap an across-the-board cap?  That is, was anything taken
> into account such as arena capacity, local television revenue, etc. in
> establishing this cap?

I think gross ticket revenue, and gross television revenue, plus perhaps
a few other thinks go into the defined revenue for determining the
salary cap.  Players are entitled to a specified portion of this
revenue...so it is not only a salary cap, but a salary floor.

>*Have NBA teams actually lost good players and have any missed the benefit
> of signing hot shot newcomers because of the cap? Is there a cap on
> rookie salaries?

Teams can break the salary cap to resign their own players, but not
to sign new players or players for other teams...occassionally, a
player has agreed to a salary cut, so the team could sign a free agent.

>*Are there a lot of contract problems in the NBA?  Do players hold out at
> the beginning of each season for more money?  Are there a lot of demands
> to be traded?

They have free agency...a player just has to play out his contract and
go elsewhere...there is no need to demand to be traded.

>*Do teams lose good players because of the cap?  For instance, in
> Pittsburgh, Recchi, Stevens, and Francis all held out for more money.
> If there was a team cap and signing all three for what they wanted
> meant that the Penguins would exceed their cap, what would happen?
> Would they just lost one of the three?

A team is allowed to break the salary cap to resign its own players...
but the fact is that Pittsburgh couldn't afford everyone which is why
2 of the big contracts, Coffey and Recchi, are gone, and why McNall
is probably paying Tocchet's salary.

>*Does the cap inpact trading in the NBA?  What if a team wanted to trade
> draft picks or younger players who make less money for some big name
> star, and the big name's salary would make them exceed your cap?  Are
> they just out of luck?

I think so...

Gerald
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: No Anti-trust protection.. Big problem!
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:24:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.012427.9669
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


With the NHL not having anti-trust protection in the US anymore, expect
the SHerman Anti-Trust law to swing into action.

But , not only does this present a MAJOR problem for the NHL, doesn't it
call into jeopardy the status of NFL, MLB, and NBA?  I though MLB (and
therefore the other sports) had protection under congress for anti-trust
laws?

What's happening in Canada?  Concievably, we could have a draft for
Canadian teams only, and free-agency w/ compensation for Canadian teams
only too!  Remember AT&T, that's how powerful Sherman A-T is if the
courts get down to it.
-- 
ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu (Eric Rickin) or bu072@gnh-bauhaus.cts.com
Slap and Tickle... The Canadian National Sport
University of Michigan: Class of 1996
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

"I don't know who was more stupid ... the owners for putting forward
that deal, or the players for rejecting it." 

				(Harry Sinden, paraphrased)

seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>
>After all, I'm not in the meeting rooms. I'm just a very disappointed
>fan who misses the best part of the only real sport...:-(

Or, the only real part of the best sport! (-;

After a long lead-in on WFAN all-sports about the death of the season
the first caller says ... "How about those Yankees, winning the first
game of the season?" -- that's when I turned off the radio and felt
like throwing up.  I turned it on again and there's another guy, and
they're talking about the Mets.

I don't mean to sound paranoid, but it struck me that neither ESPN nor
CNN cared about this ... in fact, they seemed happy to put in more
time for the NCAA Basketball Final Four and for baseball's opening day.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		a) Elvis 50's stamp, or
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From: vv1@dgp.toronto.edu ("Marc J. Ouellette")
Subject: Re: Women's Team Canada Roster (IIHF Championships)
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Summary: Andria made a typo:-)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:12:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.153319.10239@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter) writes:
>TEAM CANADA MEMBERS:
>===================
>[...]
>Francis St. Louis   C    5'9  140  Les 4 Glaces Brossard / St. Hubert, PQ
I think Andria meant to write France St.Louis.

Marc
--
Marc J. Ouellette  (vv1@dgp.toronto.edu)         Les Canadiens sont l`a!
"Angry words won't stop the fight, two wrongs don't make it right" - U2
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Strike Over! (OFFICIAL)
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:08:54 GMT

In article <3102@cs.rit.edu> nmw1638@cs.rit.edu (Nicolas M Williams) writes:
>If I still cared about the NHL I would say something like this:
>"You're nuts, this is the year the RANGERS break thru!"
>Alas, no, I don't give a hoot what happens with the NHL anymore, they lost me.
>
>
>Nick 
>--

If an 11-day strike was all it took to lose you from the excitement of
the NHL, then it never had you in the first place.

--Dave
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Hell 
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:26:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.165217.246@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>I agree with the sentiments expressed in this newsgroup that the day
>hockey becomes popular in the American South will be the day hell
>freezes over.
>
>(no flames please)

Dallas and Houston have proud hockey histories...with the right owner
and the right promotion hockey could be extremely successful in
Texas.  With the right owner and promotion...it would also work
in Atlanta...actually, they should give Ted Turner a cut-rate deal
on a team...it would give him something else to put on TV and
CNN Sports would give hockey a higher profile.

Tampa looks like it will be a disaster because they chose Espo over
Compuware...hockey would have made it in Tampa-St. Pete if Compuware
would have gotten the franchise.

Gerald
From: rbrbrn@meteor.wisc.edu (Rob Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NCAA has handed down Badger ruling
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:27:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

University of Wisconsin coach Jeff Suaer and Bill Zito, a graduate assistant
coach, have been given suspensions from postseason tournament play as part of
sanctions against the UW hockey program.  Sauer was given a one-game suspension
and Zito and more than one UW player also face suspension from tournament play
and the UW also faces a loss of travel money from the NCAA.
UW officials and organizers of the 1993 NCAA final four have also scheduled a
press conference in Milwaukee today to announce plans for the tournament.

Why Sauer?  He never critisized the officiating.  He never said a word!  

In other news.....

It looks as though Alaska-Anchorage will be the 10th school in the WCHA.  Their
application is expected to be approved at the annual meeting this tuesday 
through saturday in Florida.  They will join the WCHA for the playoffs only next
year and then become full-time members for 1993-94.
Another major topic will focus on whether the WCHA should go back to the 
two-referee system it abaondoned in the mid-1980s.
Speaking of striped shirts, it would not be a great surprize if Ron Foyt, the 
WCHA supervisor of officials for the last six years, is not asked back for a 
seventh.  Coaches in the league have grown weary of his arrogance and his 
failure to develop consistancy among his charges.

The pressure will be on the Badgers next year as the NCAA Final Four is staged
in Milwaukee.  Success at the gate will depend greatly on whether UW gets that
far.
But alot will be expected from Maine, which consistently wins 30 games a year,
finishes among the leaders in Hockey East, but punches out before getting to the
national championship game.

THE ROBBER BARON

(Portions of the above were taken from the Wisconsin State Journal)
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Strike(was: The upcoming STRIKE)
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:06:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxb.ARBOGASTW.46
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <558@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <ARBOGASTW.30@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>>
>>It is their right to do so, but don't look to people like me for respect.
>The only reason they didn't walk in October was because they had
>faith that the CBA would be settled during the season and it wasn't.
>They should have known better who they're dealing with. Especially,that
>guy in Chicago. He's acting like Ballard's twin brother. If you
>know anything the last 75 years of NHL, you know the players have been
>screwed long enough. They don't need respect from people like you. They
>want it from the owners. And they'll get it shortly.
>They should have walked in October because they should've never trusted
>the owners in the first place!
My point exactly.  They never should have trusted the owners in the first 
place!  I guess the players don't need respect from people like US.
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From: paul@maunakea.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: Examining the books (was Re: The upcoming STRIKE.)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:34:35 GMT

John P. Curcio asks:

> why isn't (sic) the owner's profits [public knowledge]?

A:  Because the teams are not publicly held.

-- 
Paul Brownlow				| 1992 Memorial Cup Tournament 
Data I/O Corp.  Redmond, WA		|       May 9-17, 1992
paul@data-io.com			|     Seattle, Washington
					|      CHL/WHL/OHL/QMJHL 
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From: S1.JON@isumvs.iastate.edu (Jon Wells)
Subject: Re: NCAA officiating
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.150142.4416@meteor.wisc.edu>,
rbrbrn@meteor.wisc.edu (Rob Holmes) writes:
>
(ADDITIONAL STUFF DELETED...)

>P.S.  Does anyone know the results of the Des Moines, Debuque USHL championship
>series?  I would also like results of the National tourny in Omaha.
>thanx
>
>---THE ROBBER BARON

The Des Moines vs. Dubuque series was pretty exciting.  The first
game was in Des Moines where the Buccaneers won handily 7-3.  The
second game was in Dubuque where the Fighting Saints won 8-4.  The
Buccaneers came back in Des Moines to win game three 4-2, and it was
back to Dubuque.  Dubuque was leading most of the game, and were up
2-1 going into the final period.  With just over two minutes left,
the refere called a holding penalty on Dubuque (incidentally, it was
the only penalty of the third period), and Des Moines capitalized to
tie it up.  The teams went into overtime, and Des Moines won the
game with only about 1:45 gone in the extra frame.

Des Moines, Dubuque, and Omaha are the three teams from the USHL to
go to the Nationals in Omaha (Omaha being the host team), and the
tournament starts this weekend.  I'll post the results.


Jon Wells
Iowa State University
S1.JON@isumvs.iastate.edu
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From: lulu@wam.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Subject: Re: Caps playoff tickets
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:00:05 GMT

In article <4dvMnMW00Uh7Q2Ll0Y@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Someone mentioned this to me last night and I found it hard to believe.
>She said that playoff tickets in Washington are $30 max.  Does
>anyone know the price structure there for the playoffs?  My Penguin
>tickets are $41 and there are two more expensive levels than mine.
>$30 is a real bargain by comparison; but then, I get to see the
>Pens, not the Caps!  :)
>

Tickets for the playoffs are about $7 more than regular season tickets.
That's $34 up front and center, $32 up front behind the nets, $28 in the
middle, $24 near the top, and $17 for nosebleeds.  I've got a pair of 
$34 seats to sell.  Want 'em?

Dave Lu
(301) 858-2270
david@eng.umd.edu