HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: SEMINAR: MACEDONIA IN TRANSITION
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:51:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I try to be open minded about this thing and hear both sides...

Sasa Konecni (sk@groo.sunbim.be) wrote:
:...
:    The second speaker, Mr Ivan Capovski, will discuss the  topic:
: Aegean  Macedonia  and the 1948 Diaspora: a Literary Perspective.
: In 1948 over 20,000 Macedonian children were evacuated  from  the
: Greek  part  of Macedonia during the Greek Civil War. Mr Capovski
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: was one of those children.  He is now a novelist and  editor  for
: Makedonska Kniga, one of Macedonia's major publishing houses.
:...

This post is one of the those which currently has me leaning to
sympathy with the Greece perspective on the question.

I have deleted soc.culture.australia from the newsgroups line. That
group should be for matters specifically Australian -- which IMHO
does not necessarily include adds for any event which happens to be in
Australia.

Felicitations -- Chris Ho-Stuart
From: re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: How Would an Effective Ceasefire Work ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:38:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YeWnXUG00WB60QlZNt
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm asking this in reaction to a recent discussion on a CNN
program which featured one Serbian and one Croatian lady.
The Serbian lady kept claiming that UN observers recorded
that in almost all cases it was the Bosnian forces that were
breaking the ceasefire agreement and the Croatian lady kept
avoiding answering to this (by changing subject).
If it is the way the Serbian lady mentioned it, what type of
assurances would there be for the Serbians that a ceasefire
would be respected ?  It is an essential question, as a
successful ceasefire is obviously the first step in stopping
the fighting.
Rad
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:8209 soc.culture.bulgaria:1196 soc.culture.greek:7881
From: s342053@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greek
Subject: RE: SKOPJE'S SWISS DREAMS
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:01:49 GMT

In article <3548.3248.uupcb@factory.com>, michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) writes:
> 
>>
>>You're so right. We all know how a Greek by the name of Alexander went
>>on a ten-year conquest layed his hands on lands that was not his.
>>Before
>>history repeats itself, wipe Greece from the face of Earth.
>>

	***********************************************

Michael , does this moron, know what he is on about!!!
who wrote the above shit?

Arshole!!...whether u like it or not greece has been on earth from the
beginning and will remain till the end..
u can't do with them and u can't do without them.
.

Whether you know it or not or whether u like it or not the world has been
influenced by hellenistic ways!                                                

true!

	**************************************************

ifluenced by greece!!






> 
>  Is the above supposed to make sence? Alexander lived 2,400 years ago.
> The economic, political and historical context in which he set out to
> destroy the Persian empire (a military threat to Macedonia) no longer
> exist. By the way, do you actually admit that Alexander was Greek? Your
> message certainly does imply that. I am suprized!
> 
>  What I am talking about is the 2 successful and 2 unsuccesful attempts
>  by bulgaria to conquer Macedonia and Vardar:
>   1913 - 2nd Balkan War - failed
>   1915 - WWI  - Allied to the central Empires / 2 year occ. of Vardar
>   1941 - WWII - Allied to Hitler / 3 year occupation
>   1947 - Involvement in Greek Civil war  - failed.
> 
>  I draw your attention to the following points:
> 
>  1. All attempts took place in our century.
>  2. The context of the 1915 and 1945 attempts still exists. In fact it
>     only exists because the Skopjie and Sofjia governments continue to
>     cultivate the prenciple of a "Greater Macedonia".
>  3. Bulgarian/Skopjie officials (and even some netters) on this board
>     are still advancing claims that a large "Macedonian minority" exists
>     in Greece, citing pre-1913 figures and denying that the population
>     exchange ever took place. For proof that the population exchange
>     took place, I direct you to your nearest encyclopaedia. For an
>     explanation of why the "Macedonian Minority" claims are being
>     advanced, will have to look up under the topics "Propaganda" and
>     "Expansionist Desires".
> 
> Michael.
>                                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Taiwan Struggles with 'Mainland Fever'
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:59:05 GMT
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu


      The following is selected from 'Wall Street Journal' (Aug. 21):
.......

  This week, Taiwan's wealthiest citizen startled the country by announcing that
his business group is preparing to invest in the mainland. Billionaire Tsai
Wan-lin said his Cathy Group is exporing opportunities in property development,
cement and financial services in China.
   Next month, Taiwan officials will hold an unprecedented conference on mainland
policy. The key issue will be how to get a grip on bout of "Mainland Fever" that
has accelerated investment in China to a pace that is unnerving the authorities,
......

    Taiwan has managed to avoid most of the impact of the world recession in the 
past two years largely because of the growth of its trade and investment links
with China. "For the past three decades, Taiwan's economy has followed the world
economy," says Liu Shou-hsiang of the Chung-Hua Institute for Economic Research, 
a government-funded think tank. "But this time, if there had been no mainland 
China market, Taiwan would have been hit by the recession just like Europe, the
U.S. and Japan.
........

     But the reality is that the Taiwan government's pleas for restraint have been
little heeded. The government estimates that cumulative Taiwanese investment in
the mainland exceeds $3 billion; Beijing puts the figure at $3.4 billion. But 
some Taiwan officials and economists acknowledge that amount could be much larger;
private estimates range up to $10 billion.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:41:42 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Who look down chinese most?

=========================================================================
From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who look down Chinese most? (Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:42:42 GMT

Well, in my opinion, Chinese people look down on themselves more than
                     ------------------------------------------------
anyone else in the world. Let us look back about 20 years ago, when PRC
-------------------------
desparately needed other nations to recognize its legitimacy, CCP
shamelessly sold us. Our "great and lovely Chairman Mao, and Prime
Minister Chow proclaimed that we will forgive what the Janpan Empiror
Army have done to our country. And, not long time ago, the president of
RPC called one the WAR II criminals a long time friend of the Chinese
people who the Janpanese agreed to donate about 1/2 billion to China.
Anyway, my piont is that our gov't has to guts to stand up for us. As
usual, the just want to consolidate their power over their own people.

-tie ju
=======================================================================

      Concur, 99%.

      X Xu
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: NBC Live From Sheng Zheng Stock Market
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:29:21 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug11.140811.13656@news.nd.edu> jll@loki.cc.nd.edu (Junlei Li) writes:
>But to me, rather than an Upper-sign for China's Open Door policy, the rush 
>in the Sheng Zheng market LOOKs very much like the Rice Rush in Shanghai and 
>Chong Qing during the World War II.

Actually, what happened was that the government offerred a limited
number of stock applications for sale.  Because there was a limited
number, everyone wanted to be first in line and you had a mob.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chenzn@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zhanzhan Chen)
Subject: Help wanted for family union
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:35:07 GMT

Dear netters:

I am a PHD student in Univercity of Cincinnati.
I have been in United State about four years.  
Until now my husband and son are still in 
Beijing, China. My husband overcome many difficulties
for their passports. Finally they got the passports
in July. Now I have tuition waiver and assistantship.
My income is $900/month. But US ambassy said I don't
have enough money to support them. They just allow
my husband come. They said after three months if
my income up to $1800 they allow my son come.

Anybody has some suggestions for me?

I heard there is a family union plan or program in
IFCSS. Could you please E-mail me the tele# or E-mail
address for this special plan if you know this?


Thank you for your time!



Zhanzhan Chen

Mechanical Department
Univercity of Cincinnati
From: hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A self-examination of a POOR ENGINEER
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:42:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Dear Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. X:

I love to see this interesting article.
Is it true that all engineers are in your category ?
Then, what can I do as an ENGINEER ?
DESPERATELY EAGER FOR KNOWLEDGE !
As far as I can see from my friends, you have described some of them faithfully.
But many of them are not. How about you ? HA!

>>Following is my ten reasons on the bottom of a list of reasons to date an engineer.
>>
>>X-9.	T-shirt and jean are their formal dress.  Hot dog and a 6-pack is their
>>	seven course meal.

Are there chances that we can wear "more beautiful" dress ?
Except for the New Year Party ?
Some day I even need to dress up just to PLEASE myself !
Well, I do cook ! Is it rare ?

>>X-8.	The only social life known of is to post and talk on the net.

You are right ! Tell me where I can go ! Appreciate !

>>X-7.	Flames like a monster on computer terminal and quite like a pussy cat
>>	faced with real people.
>>X-6.	Works from 6:30am to 7:30pm, daily. No morning kisses and no evening walks.

Poor. No one I can kiss and nobody I can walk with. sigh !
By the way, I seldomly wake up at 6:30 am.
Well, it is possible that I go to bed at that time. HA!

>>X-5.	No matter how hard you cry and how loud you yell, he just sits there
>>	calmly discussing your emotion in terms of mathematical logic.

Fortunately, I have not had the chance to "analyze" your emotions by an
artificial intelligence system.

>>X-4.	Listens to classic rock only.  Hates everything from Bach to Prince.

I do listen to all kinds of music though I don't know how to appreciate them.
Please give me a lesson.

>>X-3.	Touches his car more than you.

Doesn't he "touch" you ? Too bad. I can do that for him. Hey, hey, hey!

>>X-2.	Talks in acronym.
>>X-1.	Can't leave that damn pencil off his ear for a minute.

It's true ! I use pencil since I came to the states.
I don't use ball point pen anymore.
It's easier to "erase" !

>>X.	Top reason not to date an engineer: ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>	Will file a divorce if you call him in the middle of debugging.

Now I believe that he is a computer guy now.

A poor computer ENGINEER.

Now, is there any kind soul wanting to date with me ? wuuuuu.....
Females only !
From: txu@gaston.ma.utexas.edu (Tao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: china
Summary: china
Keywords: china
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:44:10 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

Test!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jackz@ee.uts.edu.au (Jack Zhang)
Subject: look for Wang LiQiu
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:40:00 GMT
Keywords: help


Hi,

I am looking for my friend Wang Li Qiu who was
a Lecturer at Shandong Polytechnic University,
Jinan, PRC and who is now in Canada, perhaps in
Quebec.

Anyone knowing his whhereabouts please let me know
at 

jackz@ee.uts.edu.au

Thank you,

Jack Zhang
Sydney,
Australia

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Darkest age of China (Re: Golden age of China?)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:50:41 GMT

In article <sHc-3g@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>In article <92Aug14.132341edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>>the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
>>the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
>>for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
>>dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
>>mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
>>a reason.  
>>
>>Y. Liu 
>>
>>
>
>I agree. When Yuan dynasty defeated Song dynasty and occupied Lin An,
>(Hang Zhou now), the captical of Song, all women, including empresses,
>are raped in the streets by Mongolian soldiers. It was much worse than
>The Rape of Nanjing which are done by Japanese.
>
>In many cities which fights with Mongolian, all of men are killed and 
>women are raped and taken as slave. This is the infamous Tu Cheng policy
>(Kill all men in a city) of Mongolia Empire.
>
>After Mongolian occupied China, it classified people in four classes,
>Mongolian is the top class, and Nan Ren(Southerner, i.e., Chinese),
>is the bottom class. None of Chinese was allowed to take any position
>in government.
>
>In China, there are very few books talk about the sad part of Chinese
>history. When I read this part of Chinese history in the Oriental Library
>of Oxford University, I could not control my tear.
Brits love to talk about anybody trash Chinese! Because Chinese were
drugged by them, To rationalize their crime morally, they tend to say anything
that imply that Chinese are lower being, deserve to be treated harshly.
I noticed this from all Birits related media, BBC, ITV(?).
NOt only brists in Britain has this kind of psychic, anglo saxons in U.S.
have this kind of psychic too!
It is no different, from a rapist try to rationalize his crime by saying the
victim is seductive, metally incompetent, or anything that
defame the victim will help gain sympathy for the offender.
>
>Today, there are some netters attacks the nationism. But after you learn
Westen nations and thier media tend to discredit nationalism! They
have good reason for it! West nations normally have millitary and
politicall alliance with each other, they do not need nationalism
as much as others. We Chinese only have one nation, China, do not
fall into trap of Westerners singing they do not have nationalism bias!
They do, the nation is a super nation called West!
>the sad stories of our country, after you learn your brothers are killed 
>by foreign invaders, after you learn your sisters are raped foreign invaders, 
>will you still attack the nationism?
>
>
>J Chen
>Department of Chemistry
>University of Michigan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Famine in China!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:40:21 GMT

In article <2992@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug20.090202.1@max.u.washington.edu>, shiping@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>(deleted)
>|> In late 50's and earlier 60's, thousands and thousands (perhaps millions) 
>|> of people  died of famine.  As far as I heard from local farmers, all the
>|> people in many villages in Huaibei region, where I lived for several 
>|> years, died of famine, no survivors.  What a terrible picture.  However,
>|> people in cities, especially young people, know littel about it because of 
>|> the media censorship.
>|> 
The article "Tian Zai" by Mr Ding Shu is a pretty good book about that
period.

>|> I think that CCP should tell people the truth about this historical fact if
>|> they are brave enough.

If they don't say so, any wild guess will be correct.
>
>Tell people about how many were killed in TAM Square as well.
>
Mr Yuang Mu already told us.

>Lin Can

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? )
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:50:01 GMT

In article <134112@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <21AUG199215171334@rigel.tamu.edu> y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN) writes:
>->
>->Mr. Xiaofei, 
>->I think you are wrong here. "People" is a countable word, so "few people" or 
>->"fewer people" is a correct. 
>                      ~~~~~~~
>->
>->yz
>
>Well, I think XiaoFei is right.  "People" is not a countable noun.
>But it's been used quite often as a countable noun.  Anyway, the
>distinction there is not really that critical.  But using "correct"
>as a countable noun?  Where did you learn such usage?
>
>--
>Terry Cheung
>tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov

Wow, are we going to talk about TOEFL exercises on scc? :) Remember the
discussion on frequency of electricity? :)

IMO, Xiaofei was wrong in the first place by being picky to one's
grammar: isn't it better to discuss the grammar in email than on scc?

How many people over there agree with me? :-) 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: She needs what he needs. Re: she needs?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:51:57 GMT

******** This is a forwarded, yet edited message **********

   Please don't publicize my name.

   No than two years after I came to the United States, I was asked
$4,000 more by my father, for my brother. This money is unrefusable,
pardon me for not telling your more details. This happenned two days
ago. I am only a student, and had sent back nearly $6,000 before.

   I bought almost nothing big for two years, but I am in heavy 
debts now. If you happen to see a miserable and shabby chinese guy 
around you, you would know who he is.

   Always telling them that America is not a dreamland, I can't 
simply reverse the tendency that the whole chinese public still 
thinks too high of it. 

   My dream for an OLD car is over, while my dream for my YOUNG girl 
is not. :-(  _________ :-) 

   Trying luck in all kinds of lotteries, I wish I could be rich 
soon. :=) 

   Tears and Cheers!     :-|

   In dead silence.

-------- A lonely wolf.

*********** Forwarded message ends **********************


In article <1992Aug14.180256.18717@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Article 47074 of soc.culture.china:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Subject: She needs money
>Message-ID: <1992Aug14.150151.14218@news.acns.nwu.edu>
>Keywords: money, money, money, money........
>Sender: me
>Organization: CCP
>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:01:51 GMT
>
>I am wondering if the following is somehow related to the culture.
>
>Mary's Father is visiting her from China. They have not seen each other
>since she left China about five years ago.  He'll be back home soon.  Before  
>his coming, Mary and her husband John promised him that they
>will satisfy her brother's request, 'LEND' her brother $10,000 for him to
>establish a bussiness in China.  Her father is prepared to take this
>money back.  Also he is ready to take his duty-free luxury motorcycle home.
>In addition, he is asking a new big screen tv, although Mary already bought
>him one just couple years ago.  Her father is talking repeatedly that
>before his leaving for U.S.A., many of his fiends and relatives were very
>happy. They kept saying that the father was so lucky, he had such a 'good'
>daughter in US.  "You must bring some gifts for me!" Mary is still a
>student here. John graduated and has a $38,000/year job only for two years.
>Mary is trying her best to not let her father dispointed, also trying to
>not make her husband too upset. Mary says: "It's this simple-- I need only  
>money."
From: ychen@ada.stat.uga.edu (Yinpu Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? Which is better for China?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:42:52 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia Statistics Department

In article <wangf.714263166@unixg.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>In <1992Aug19.211056.14815@athena.cs.uga.edu> ychen@ada.stat.uga.edu (Yinpu Chen) writes:
>
>>>cqu
>
>>I think if I were in China right now, I would like to Bush. If I were
>>an American, I will vote for Clinton. As a Chinese in America, I'd like
>>to see Clinton more than Bush.
>
>>Yinpu
>
>I just don't understand why you have two sides of story. 
>Can you tell us more?  Thanks
>
>F. Wang

Well, I think I made it pretty clear early in my article. I think Bush's
policy toward China suits Chinese interest (that's just my opinion,
other people don't have to agree. No flame, please). That's why I'd like
to see Bush more if I ere in China right now. But Bush doesn't seem to
have a clue dealing with economy, so I will vote against his if I were
an American. As a Chinese in American, I obviously have two sides of
interest. But since I will try to (find a job and) stay in US for now,
I'd like to see Clinton more than Bush.

Yinpu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:23:46 GMT

In article <77686@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>
>In article <Bsu5xw.9D0@acsu.buffalo.edu> ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang)
> writes:
>>Ha, what do the Brits know about China?? I'd say the period between 1800
>>and 1949 was the WORST in Chinese history.. Sure the Communists are not good
>>but at least they kept the foreigners out
>
>Well, I'm not too sure.  The Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms period, the
>Three Kingdoms period, the Warring States, the Qin dynasty, and the
>Cultural Revolution are all competitors of the "worst" period in
>Chinese history.
>
>
the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
a reason.  

Y. Liu
From: csjgt@MANTA.JCU.EDU.AU (Jin-Guang Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: no subject (file transmission)
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:08:46 GMT


                 Looking for Friends                
   
I am looking for my friends who came or graduated from Nanjing
Medical College. My friends are:

Dr. Zhi-Gang He (Pathology, U.S.)
Dr. Chen Jin (Physiology, U.S.)
Dr. Chen Dong (Cardiology, U.S.)
Dr. Da-Jing Li ( E.N.T., U.S.)
Dr. Xing-Bo Tong (Biochemistry, Australia)
Dr. San-San Wu (Parasitology, Australia)
Dr. Xiao-Dong Wu (Pharamcology, overseas)
Dr. Ye Fei (Physiology, France)
Dr. Chen Ji (Pathology, Austria)
Dr. Huang Hui (Radiology, Australia)
Dr. Gen-Ping Ke (Radiology, Switzerland)
Dr. Cui Yong (Cardiology, U.S.)
Dr. Luo Yi (Biochemistry, Canada)
Dr. Dong Mei (Biochemistry, U.S.)

If anyone knows my friends above, would you please let them know
that I am looking for them.

I am Dr. Tang Jiandong. I am currently a Research Scientist in
Graduate School of Tropical Veterinary Science, James Cook
University, Australia. I will leave Australia for U.K. next month. I
would like to contact you before my leaving here. 

My Tel No is 077 81 5024, Fax No is 077 79 1526. You also can
contact me via E-Mail to csjgt@manta.jcu.au.edu

Yours sincerely,
Dr.Tang Jiandong