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From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Pliestocene extinctions
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:36:27 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep4.150049.4724@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) writes:
>..mastodons...
>
>the pleistocene creature was a mammoth...mastodons became extinct in the
>oligocene...
>

Sorry to do this from memory, but I am 99% sure that this is right.  Mastodons,
which were rather short-legged elephants, lived in the eastern deciduous
forests of the US well after the Pleistocene, I think with some specimens
as recently as about 8000 years ago.  Mammoths were taller, hairy elephants
taht were in the arctic tundra.  I think that they became extinct in North
America somewhat earlier (12,000 B.P.?), and I'm not sure how far south they
extended.

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu

PS: I'm a geographer, not an anthropologist, so if I'm wrong please don't
blame our wonderful anthropologists!
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,talk.origins
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: Polyandry
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:36:59 GMT

In article <BuL5Mw.1Dt@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
writes:
>   That's OK.  I'm still curious what you're using for instances (no
>   marriage rituals, multiple partners for the females, and only the 
>   sort of distant, tentative provider role you describe above for 
>   the father.)

  I know that some polynesian island cultures allowed multiple husbands per
wife, but this is gathered from the account in Typee (by Herman Melville), so I
don't know if any cultural studies were done before the culture was destroyed by
commerce.

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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality & Evolution
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:23:18 GMT



I think common sense shows one possible biological "rationale" for the
appearance of homosexual behavior among a species: overpopulation.

In fact, didn't the recent experiment{ with the huge, purposefully overpopulated
colony of lab mice tend to show an increase in same-sex behaviors as the
population density went up? Seems like a fairly good scheme for reducing the
population to me...

Suze
From: gpasch@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (grete pasch)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: bridal showers
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:20:05 GMT
Reply-To: gpasch@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (grete pasch)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: gpasch@happy.cc.utexas.edu


There is a tradition of bridal showers in some Latin American countries.
A group of women gets together, shares snacks, chats, and gives presents
to the bride-to-be.

Is anyone aware of studies done about this or similar bridal traditions?

Grete Pasch
gpasch@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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From: SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality & Evolution
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:10:57 GMT
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In <18likgINNmr@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu writes:

> In article <1992Sep9.182140.17527@javelin.sim.es.com> SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178
> (STEVEN JOSEPHSON) writes:
> }                       Then again bonobos do alot of what we do and some things
> }that humans frown on (i.e. sex with juveniles).
> 
> What's a bonobo?

One of the two species of chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes, I think), the other 
being Pan paniscus.  I may have gotten these reversed.  They are often called
"pygmy chimpanzees" although they are neither: they are about the same size as
chimps and aren't chimps, they are bonobos.  Frans De Wall has called them the
Kama Sutra primates because of their rather elaborate sex life.
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Pliestocene extinctions
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:16:08 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation

>> 
>> 	     Only we Old World newcomers were/are stupid enough to commit
>> 	     extinctions of valuable animals and plants.
>> 	
>> 	--danny
>> 
>> 
>> The idea that early populations lived in harmony with their environment
>> is a modern myth, the current version of the "noble savage".  There is
>> extensive evidence that native populations caused the extinction of
>> many plants and animals when they moved into an area. 
>> 
>> William Smith

I've starting reading a new book called "The Green History of World".
The introductory chapter is about Easter Island.  Archeological evidence
was that it was forested, wet and lush when it was settled by Polyneasians
around 1000 AD.  They had enough leisure time to build clannish ceremonial
centers with the big statues.  However, deforestation created an ecological
disaster about a century before the Europeans came.  The island became
mostly desert with the remaining small population reduced to a primitive
and superstituous life style.  With no wood, they could no longer sail among
the other Pacific islands and maintain trade contacts.
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From: conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,talk.origins
Subject: Re: Polyandry
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:11:46 GMT
Followup-To: sci.anthropology
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <BuKnsD.2D0@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <2AB3D3E6.26637@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>The ideas being advanced about polyandry are interesting, but I think
>>that we are a little shaky on what we CALL polyandry.  In matrilineal
>>cultures in the past and in the present, there is frequently not even
>>any marriage.  The woman will have many partners, but since the
>>paternity of the child is not important, the subsequent activities of
>>the men are not regulated.
>
>   By "not regulated" I assume you mean that males are not presumed to 
>   have any responsibility for the care, protection, etc of the 
>   child or family.  What are some examples you can cite of reasonably
>   well-studied cultures where there are no marriage rituals + multiple
>   partners for the females + no paternal responsibilities?   I'd be 
>   especially interested in agrarian (i.e., post h-g instances).


[I believe that Janis was saying that the SEXUAL activities of the male
in polyandrous societies are not regulated, as that was the specific
issue that the remainder of her post addressed.]


While a society which considers paternity to be unimportant would
certainly not have "paternal" resposibilities, there may very well be
*parental* responsiblities associated with certain males with respect to
certain children.  For example, I remember reading an indirect reference to
a brother's parental responsiblities with respect to his sister's children
in one particular matrilinial society (old Cymri?) where paternity was also
considered unimportant.

I realize that polyandry and matriliniality are two different concepts;
however, at one point in this thread we were also discussing polyandry where
there was a formal domestic partnership between one woman and several men.
While it seems reasonable to me that a formal domestic partnership could easily
contain implicit agreements about parental responsiblilities for members
of the partnership, if there is no formal domestic partnership I would find it
suprising if a society which considers paternity unimportant placed parental
responsibility for a woman's children on her male sexual partners.

Comments?


Coni Britten
conib@peri.gvg.tek.com
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Pliestocene extinctions
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:14:47 GMT

STEVEN JOSEPHSON writes:

	  Human groups have a long history of eating themselves out of
	house and home, from impressive examples like the many disappearances
	of large animals, to amazing ecological suicides like Easter Island
	and the Aztec civilizations.  

			<<< Chaco canyon discussion deleted >>>
	
	Jared Diamond wrote more about this theme in his latest book "The
	Third Chimpanzee", and he came to the conclusion that the answer
	was education - if you inform people that they are irrevocably
	distroying their environment, they will cut it out.  I strongly
	disagree.  Every human group of which I am aware wipes things out
	to the extent that they are able to, with the only exception being
	if *individuals* benefit from preserving something.



(I tried to reply to Steven, but the mailer kicked it back.)

How is Diamond's book?  I enjoy his writings in "Discover" magazine and
am now reading, in the new issue, about the New World population decline
by 95% after the arrival of the Spanish.  I haven't picked up his book
yet, and am kindof waiting for the more affordable paper back.

I'm with you.  I don't think education will solve the problem.  But it
can't help.  Fishermen today continue to kill of commercial fish at a rate
that we can't sustain.  They know that but can't stop because they have
a note due on their boat, on their house, on their motor home, etc.
They can't think 10 or 15 years ahead, only to the next year's harvest.



William Smith
Intel, SSD
From: Jane.R.Deering@dartmouth.edu (Jane R. Deering)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Suspicious Text
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:14:50 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <memo.607376@cix.compulink.co.uk>
live_wire@cix.compulink.co.uk (Andrew Clifton) writes:

>       "Husbands are shared in numerous communities around the world.
>       These include the Todas and Nayars of India, many Tibetans, and
>       also the Bhots and Lepchas of the Himalayas and many mountain
>       tribes in Asia.  Chukchi hunters and herders in Siberia also
>       seek safety in numbers, marrying in a group and sharing sexual
>       rights to each others' women.  The marriage ceremony is called
>       _newtumgit_, which means 'partners in wives'.

I'm at work, and don't have my references here, but recall reading
about polyandry in Tibet.  However, it occurs for very practical
reasons, not due to female domination as the author of the book you
(Andrew Clifton) found would seem to suggest.  If I remember correctly,
occasionally a single woman will marry an entire family of brothers in
order to keep the family land together; if the brothers married
seperately, the land would be split between the households and within a
few generations no one in the family line would have much more than a
garden plot.  I'm sure there's more to the situation than that, and I
will take a look at the article as soon as I can (since I've just
moved, all my books are still *sigh* packed away in boxes).  I suspect
a great deal of the other 'references' have similarly mundane
explanations, if true at all.

Jane Deering
fury.eyes@dartmouth.edu
Xref: sparky sci.anthropology:853 talk.origins:11103
From: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,talk.origins
Subject: Re: Homosexuality & Evolution
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:38:21 GMT
Followup-To: talk.origins
Organization: animal -- coelomate -- deuterostome

In article <tyre.716061838@sfu.ca> tyre@beaufort.sfu.ca (Richard Tyre) writes:
>trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks) writes:

>>I think common sense shows one possible biological "rationale" for the
>>appearance of homosexual behavior among a species: overpopulation.
>
>>In fact, didn't the recent experiment{ with the huge, purposefully overpopulated
>>colony of lab mice tend to show an increase in same-sex behaviors as the
>>population density went up? Seems like a fairly good scheme for reducing the
>>population to me...

>>Suze

>Unfourtunately, this seems to me to be an example of "good for the species"
>style thinking. 

DING, DING, DING... we have a winner! You hit the nail on the head,
Drew.

The idea that organisms perform behaviors for the good of their
species went out the window long ago. But, many people with only a
glancing understanding of biology still offer this as an explanation
for some population level phenomena (it shows up occasionally on
"look at the cute fuzzy animals" type TV shows for example). 

>If same sex behaviours do indeed increase at high population
>densities, then I would expect that these behaviours either increase the
>reproductive success of the individual performing them in some way, or increase
>the reproductive success of related individuals (Kin Selection).

An alternate explanation is that at high density organisms refuse to
reproduce because their chances of successfully rearing offspring
are very low. It pays to wait until conditions are better(*). Homo-
sexual behavior may be, in these cases, the proximal mechanism
ensuring reproduction does not occur.

(*) if an attempt at reproduction immediately would 
harm future reproductive potential or elevate the possibility of
mortality (at high density, food is at a premium -- the would-be
parent might die along with its offspring if it tried to feed
both or had to compete with its offspring for food.

>Drew Tyre
>tyre@sfu.ca

Follow-ups to talk.origins

Chris Colby 	---	 email: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu	---
"'My boy,' he said, 'you are descended from a long line of determined,
resourceful, microscopic tadpoles--champions every one.'"
 	--Kurt Vonnegut from "Galapagos"
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Trique-speaker incident followup
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:30:07 GMT



I am pleased to report that the Oregon State hospital system has been very
responsive in attempting to make certain no further cases of people being
classed as "mental patients" occur due to language barriers, and have instituted
a series of tests of language in their programs.

Since several of you responded to the original article about the young Trique
man who was stuck in one of our hospitals for a couple of years, I wanted to
let you know something had been done, and fairly expeditiously...

Suze
From: strange@acpub.duke.edu (Michael B. Scher)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Mail box toasted
Keywords: Radnor, Northwestern
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:47:32 GMT

Pardon this net.intrusion of a message.personalm, but my mail.box ate
a letter (and the reply address) from Rebecca Radnor (I am probably
misspelling this), aka japlady @ NorthWestern U. C. Anth. Dept.

If she could please resend the general letter (or just a 1-liner to
re-establish contact--I promise to save the address next time!), I would
be most pleased.

     -Mike Scher (grad.student on a lousy.system)

-- 
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Duke University -- Durham, NC:  Law and Cultural Anthropology 
This post expressly not for use as toilet tissue.
(K) 1991 Net Prophet Productions - All lefts deserved.
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From: enw2049@zeus.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N)
Subject: Re:  Thermodynamics (was Re: Sartre's 3 laws)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.012246.7932@news.iastate.edu>, glitto@iastate.edu
(Scott M Klabacha) writes...

>>enw2049@zeus.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N) writes:
>>
>>       At the end of our first semester p-chem course, after many weeks of
>>       thermodynamics, phase diagrams, enthalpy & entropy, our prof
>>       gave us this summary of the 3 Laws:
>>
>>
>>   First Law of Thermodynamics:  You can't win.
>>
>>   Second Law of       "         You can break even only if you
>>                                   work at absoloute zero.
>>
>>   Third Law of        "         You can't work at absolute zero.
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         			   I learned this one as "You can never get
            			   all the way to absolute zero."
> 
>And this was in a first year chemistry course, halfway across the country
>(University of Chicago).
> 
>***gLITTOfERN*** glitto@iastate.edu
>                                  
       Dear Glitto:  Halfway across the country from where?  'Twas Hugo
       Franzen that told me those Three Laws.    ;-)

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From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Subject: Secondary School Science Clubs and Fairs
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:59:55 GMT

  I am helping put together a group presentation in my methods class
and my particular segment has to deal with secondary school science clubs
and fairs.  I am having difficulty in finding info and materials on these
two topics and I would greatly appreciate it if someone could suggest some
references or provide me with other helpful info.  Thanks in advance!

							Rusty
Rusty Soots -- North Carolina State University -- Science Education and
Microbiology -- Grad. Date 5/93...yeah!!!!!!!!!
Xref: sparky sci.edu:981 alt.folklore.science:3269
From: lanih@herald.Berkeley.EDU (J. Lani Herrmann)
Newsgroups: sci.edu,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Sartre's 3 laws ( was Re: 2nd law not taught etc)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 23:03:26 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: herald.berkeley.edu
Summary: I heard 4 laws of thermodynamics
Keywords: thermodyamics / Murphy redux

I heard it in my youth as the 4 laws of thermodynamics:
	1. You can't win
	2. You can't even break even
	3. It will all come out right in the end
	4. But you'll never get there!
This was from the same person who described the workings of an internal 
combustion engine as
	Suck, squeeze, bang, ptooie!

Now try to forget them!
	-- Lani

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From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Newsgroups: sci.edu,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Sartre's 3 laws ( was Re: 2nd law not taught etc)
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:29:10 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
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J. Lani Herrmann (lanih@herald.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:

>This was from the same person who described the workings of an internal 
>combustion engine as
> Suck, squeeze, bang, ptooie!

Hmmm, I heard it as Suck, squeeze, bang! blow, or in the case of a
two-stroke, it's sucksqueeze bangblow !

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From:  (m19701)
Subject: Looking for old Calculus book
Followup-To: sci.edu
Organization: mitre.org
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:23:31 GMT

Greeting y'all.  I need help.

My officemate, Rosemary (m22698), is in search of her old Calculus book. 
She has looked around the DC area with no luck.  My ribbing her about her
search has forced me to put up or shut up.  She bet me a freshly baked cake
(or pie) that I couldn't find a copy while I bet her lunch out that I
could.  Now I'll probably take her out to lunch anyway but I really want a
freshly baked blueberry pie and the season is almost over.

Name of book:		Calculus: With Analytic Geometry
															by Roland LARSON and Robert HOSTETLER
															copyright 1980  by D.C. Heath and Company

It comes with a 3 volume Solution Guide which is also desired.  Solution
Guide has one additional auther  David HEYD.

Apparently there may also be a Student Solutions Manual by HEYD.

Rosemary is willing to buy these books.

Thanks in advance.

ed casey

(insert standard disclaimer here)
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From: wjohnson@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (William K. Johnson (Bill))
Subject: JEdI
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Fairfax)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 02:02:40 GMT

A Technical Support Office for the JEdI CD ROM software has
been opened at the University of Maryland.  If you are using
CD ROM software in science and need assistance, feel free to
contact us for help.  This effort is being funded by a 3 year
NSF grant.  While I am in the process of hiring a staff, we
have great ambitions.

If you use the JEdI software, please send me an email message.
We will begin publishing the newsletter in October but we don't
know who all the users are.  Most JEdI disks are sent to (a)
central school district supply offices, (b) university
accounting offices, and (c) computer resellers.  If we don't
know who you are, we can't communicate!

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Teacher Coordinator
Joint Education Initiative
Williams Bldg, Suite 3400
University of Maryland at College Park

(301) 405-2324
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From: chem@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Newsgroups: sci.edu
Subject: Physics Educators Macintosh ftp site ?
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:57:35 GMT
Organization: University of Winnipeg

Hi. Would someone know the Physics educators Macintosh
User Group anonymous FTP site address ? Thanks for any
info.  Marsh
Internet:  CHEM@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA
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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re:  Thermodynamics (was Re: Sartre's 3 laws)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:22:46 GMT

enw2049@zeus.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N) writes:
>
>       At the end of our first semester p-chem course, after many weeks 
>       thermodynamics, phase diagrams, enthalpy & entropy, our prof
>       gave us this summary of the 3 Laws:
>
>
>   First Law of Thermodynamics:  You can't win.
>
>   Second Law of       "         You can break even only if you
>                                   work at absoloute zero.
>
>   Third Law of        "         You can't work at absolute zero.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         			   I learned this one as "You can never get
            			   all the way to absolute zero."

And this was in a first year chemistry course, halfway across the country
(University of Chicago).

***gLITTOfERN*** glitto@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: sci.edu
Subject: Re: Looking for old Calculus book
From: bseaber@eis.calstate.edu (Ben Seaberry)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:09:43 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

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