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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 6th Season Opening Credits (Was: TNG Credits:  Realm Of Fear)
Keywords: credits
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:14:28 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Sep30.143818.28383@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>Was there something we were supposed to notice in those credits? If so I missed
>it!

Actually, there WAS something different in the credits---That horrid
"shimmering" effect for the main title STAR TREK: The Next Generation
was gone!!!! YEA!!! ;-)

-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: william.porter@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (William Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI on video when?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:40:12 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: Ins598w@Lindblat.Cc.Monash.Edu.Au
Star Trek VI is supposed to be coming out late October on video along with
the two part TNG episode Unification...Both through CIC Australia as usual.

--- Maximus 2.00
 * Origin: THE WHITE LODGE (3:712/605)
From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG & "Iron John"??
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:42:39 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

In the October 5 Newsweek the cover story on "The Cultural Elite"
discusses how the various medias are inter-related and feed off
each others ideas.  In one of their examples they trace the spread
of the idea of a "men's movement" from Bly's work to "Iron John",
to Bill Moyer's, to "wild man" retreats, to magazine stories and
on into pop televsion shows.  The last sentence reads, "In the
fall of '91, the movement pops up on 'Murphy Brown' and 'Star
Trek--The Next Generation.'"
 
I don't remember that theme ever being dealt with.  Can anyone
point me at the episode which they are referring to?

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:45:44 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <70151@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>In article <1aqainINN2j3@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>>I suppose these might be spoilers
>>
>>Could someone please explain to me why the people stuck in
>>the transporter looked like those sand worms from Dune, and
>>how it was so easy and "should've known that" obvious to see
>>the connection afterwards?  To me, it still makes no sense.
>
>Yeah:  Barclay still looked like Barclay, but these people all looked
>like mutated intestinal parasites!  Also, how come they told Barclay
>that he couldn't stay dematerialized for more than 30-40 seconds or
>they would lose his signal, but they were able to recover the Yosemite's
>crew members after at least 3-4 DAYS!  

Because crew members (Barclay for the first, then Worf and friends for the
other three) went into the matter stream, grabbed on, and dragged them out. 
>For that matter, if you're
>disassembled at the molecular level, how is it possible to "experience"
>anything during transport (much less grab things!)?  

Simple: everything else is disassembled at the molecular level as well.  That
way, everything is on an equal footing (the same way Geordi and Ro could
touch eachother and the Romulan spy during "The Next Phase" (of course, they
still have yet to explian *why* they didn't fall through the floor (or out the
back of the ship if it *ever* moved), but I am willing to ignore that) 

>And, before I'm
>finished, who was operating the transporter when the 4 Yosemite crew
>members beamed out?

The ship's engineer that had died and "come back to life" during his autopsy.

O========|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|========0
 Curt R Lindmark      crl0195@hertz.njit.edu         Defender from ages past

Picard: "Mr. Worf, fire at will."
Worf: "With pleasure, sir." (draws hand phaser, takes aim)
Riker: "Oh no, not again" (ducks for cover)

Disclaimer: NJIT is responsible for nothing I don't say which isn't mine.
From: carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:29:13 GMT
Subject: Re: I HATE BARCLAY (Ream of Fear SPOILER)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

In rec.arts.startrek.current, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:

[Spoilers for Realm of Fear]

Well, we have a slight difference of opinion here. :-)

I predict one thing will hold almost universally true:  if you liked the
original Barclay episode ("Hollow Pursuits", *not* the later poor excuse
for a show where Barclay takes over the Enterprise), you will like this
one; if not, you probably won't.

> I got totally bored and exasparated watching Reg Barclay whine and whimper
> and act like a neurotic boob for a whole hour. I think that pretty much
> sums up Realm Of Fear.

I thoroughly enjoyed watching him be a "neurotic boob".  I thought the
scenes in which he first talks to Troi, gets the list of symptoms for
transporter psychosis from the computer, and is observed checking his
physical condition by Data are all hilarious.  Some humor in Star Trek
seems overdone and strained to me; the humor in this episode didn't.

> He sees something in the transporter beam but doesn't want to talk about it
> because he thinks he's just going nuts. What a useless crew member! You
> can't trust him, he can't trust himself, and no competent organization would
> keep somebody like that very long. I mean, this is the Woody Allen of the
> 24th century. I'm not sure that Woody Allen is as neurotic as this guy.

Why do they keep him?  Because if you can get past his personality, he's
actually quite intelligent.  So far, he's single-handedly saved the
Enterprise as well as four other crew members.  Now, who would you rather
have save the Enterprise, Barclay or Wesley? :-)  No, don't answer that...
Seriously, I think I like these episodes because people like Barclay
really do exist in any large organization, and I like the way the E's
crew can deal with him and benefit from it, rather than just dismissing
him (just as they can usually deal with hostile alien beings to arrive
at a good mutual solution, rather than just blowing them away).

> As for the story, four big worms in the transporter beam turn out to be the
> missing crew members of the science vessel, stuck in transport. Why do they
> look like worms? 

A stretch, but it *is* mentioned in this episode that physical objects don't
necessarily maintain their shape and size when observed by someone during
transport.

> And there is yet another parasitic lifeform that threatens to infect the
> world.

Actually, it's more like yet another lifeform that is accidentally captured
and is trying to get back home.  Yes, this too has been done before, but
it's the way Barclay's fears, trapped crewmen, and trapped aliens got
merged and then separated at the end that made this episode interesting.

> Sigh.
> This was a 3 on a scale of 10. I guess shows like this really benefit from
> The Cost Of Living. It keeps them off the bottom.

And if I were to rate it, it would be up around 8ish.  But I beg to differ:
*nothing* benefits from episodes like "Cost of Living". :-)

-- Richard
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Subject: Re: Leningrad reference in Star Trek 4
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 4 Oct 1992 17:35:10 EDT
 7261285@Xenon.Stanford.EDU><1992Sep24.181638.1095@europa.lonestar.org>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Sep24.181638.1095@europa.lonestar.org>, tom@europa.lonestar.org
(Tom Kimball) says:
>
>In article <aelman.717261285@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
(Adam
Elman) writes:
>tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball) writes:
>
>>In article <20518@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person )
writes:
>
>The only problem I have with this is that STIV was filmed in 1985 and
>1986, only very shortly after Gorbachev came to power.  If there was
>any reason other than the sentimental to think that Leningrad would
>become St. Petersburg in 1986, I have no idea where it would have come
>from.

The re-naming of St. Petersburg did not happened until well into the Yeltson's
era (Post-Coup/Post-Gorby era... :) )
From: scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: time-travel backwards possible? perhaps
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:42:57 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <g92n3258.22.717595816@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
> 
> It was stated on the network (sorry, can't remember who) that time-travel 
> backwards is not possible, because if you went backwards and, say, killed 
> yourself as a baby, you end up with a paradox.

Mea culpa! I knew I would get some objections to my assertion,
but I expected most of them to be of the nature you posited,
i.e., the "alternate time lines" notion and its variations, or
maybe something to the effect that you could go back but
something would prevent you from changing anything. I can
appreciate and enjoy that kind of speculation.

What I found most curious, though, was that some folks either
haven't thought about causality and the possibility of paradox
that backward time travel opens up, or they just dismissed it out
of hand. Clearly some see the future invention of a means to
travel backward in time the same way they see the invention of
the steam engine in the late 1700s: just another scientific
breakthrough, another technological advance.

I rejoice at the stubborn tendency of humans to reject the word
"impossible." That's the trait that propelled us to the moon and
will one day, perhaps, propel us to Alpha Aurigae (Capella) in,
say, 45 days time (that binary system is something like 45 light
years away.)

I won't reject the notion that there may be parallel universes,
alternate time lines, and such. But that's all they are: notions,
not theories (yet!)

So, to talk about going back in time, I mean in this one, single
time line, and I mean going back in such a way that you can
interact with the past. THAT would mean that all the rules that
govern the universe as we know and experience it are out the
window. Nothing would ever make sense.

All men are mortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore Socrates is mortal.

The square root of two is irrational.

I feel more like I do now than I did before.

All logic is null and void. Why I could write a paper on
xerography, take it back to 1902 and get it published, then come
back and sue Xerox for stealing my idea! (Remember a similar
incident in THGTTG?) Maybe in some "higher" reality, but not the
one we are confined to! Wasn't it Spock in a TOS episode where
the crew was made to experience the events at the OK corral who
said that for reality to exist there had to be rules?

Inventing the steam engine, flying in a heavier-than-air vehicle,
telephones, TV, computers, going to the moon, transporting, even
traveling to Epsilon Eridani in 2 days time -- none of those
things need lead to paradox given the right conditions. Neither
does being on earth today and near Rigil Kent two weeks later.
Being in 1992 now and going backward in time to 1892 _does_ lead
to paradox.

If time travel backward is possible, then ALL the above lead
naturally to the conclusion that Barclay is a jerk and there's a
large spider crawling on my arm. <g>

    best,
     ...terry
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:43:41 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <67059@cup.portal.com> shigsch@cup.portal.com (Shirley Gillard Schneckloth) writes:
> As much as I enjoy Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard, I would prefer
>if he were 'premoted'o to admiral, left the show and came back for a few guest
>appearances.
> If Will Riker were then made captain, who do you think would be his
>first officer? If Data were promoted, who would replace him as Chief Operation
>Officer? Worf -- who would be Chief of Security? Geordi -- who would be Cheif
>Engineer?

Seeing as how Spock was First Officer and Science Officer, why can't
Data be both First Officer and Chief Operating Officer?

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: Three Questions
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:31:21 GMT

In article <LX4TRB6w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) writes:
> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> 
>> In a previous article, kratnam@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kapila Ratnam) wrot
>> > 
>> >1.  Who is Christina Peralta ?
>> > 
>> >2.  In which episode(s) of ST:TNG did she appear ?
>> > 
>> >3.  Why is she in the October 1992 issue of Playboy ?
>> > 
> 
> Actually, if memory serves me, she was the Deltan in ST: The Motion 
> Picture.  Probably wrong though.
> 
> 
>                                         - Sasha

Nope, (trivia buzzer goes off)  Ilia was played by Persis Khambatta, an Indian
(as in India) actress, and I think, also Miss India of some year or other.  She
hasn't been in anything since then that I know of, except a hilarious B-movie
I've forgotten the name of which also starred Barry Bostwick... in a gold
spandex jumpsuit.

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu

Just remembered!  It was called Megaforce.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 21:38:00 EDT
From: Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Time's Arrow, Part II"

In article <1992Sep28.172727.9285@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI
BALLANTINE) says:
>
>Picard and company don't assume that the aliens are hostle.  They
>find out that they are killing humans before they attack them.
>And they didn't want the aliens to change history in some way.
>Thats good enough reason for me.

But the humans they 'harvested' were the old and weak and on their way
out.  I didn't see a single person taken who was fit.  This episode
was way too weak.
___

  Nicholas  Hester                  "I'm a virgin...I'm just not good at it."
ia80024@Maine.bitnet                                 -Ramada, "Hot Shots!"
ia80024@Maine.maine.edu
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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: "Time's Arrow" POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:16:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep21.121457.9735@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep19.180827.24359@sunova.ssc.gov>, haaser@quince.ssc.gov (Bobby Haaser) writes:
>> 
>>   question #2) Why would Guinan and Picard NEVER meet if Picard did 
>>     not go?:
>
>I think a much more likely conclusion that the one you propose is that
>Picard somehow saves Guinan's life in the 19th century.  If he hadn't
>gone back in time with the rest of the away-team, he would have not met
>her in the 19th century, she would have then died, and he would never 
>meet her in the 24th century either.
>
	However, this episode put forth the position that the
past is not alterable. They regularly referred to the presence of
Data's head in the past as an unchangable event. So Guinan's
position, based on that premise, makes no sense, since regardless
of what she or he does, it must result in their meeting in the
19th century.
	-- Ethan


purgamentum init, exit purgamentum
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank--The Best Possible Answer
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 20:37:20 EDT

I think I can finally solve the discrepancies about the rank--so to 
speak--of Miles Edward O'Brien.
It was decided--early on--that O'Brien is an "enlisted man," or actually
a chief warrant officer.  This rank means that under certain circum-
stances he could fulfill the duties of a junior lieutenant if necessary.
(Hence his appearance at the tactical station of the battle bridge in
the series pilot.)
The position of "tactical officer" does NOT require a commissioned
officer; merely someone trained to work the equipment.  A Soviet sonar
officer would have roughly the same skills as an American CPO (see Tom
Clancy's Hunt for Red October).
But back to the ranks:  to denote position and rating (officers have
ranks; noncoms have ratings) it was decided that non-coms would have
pips in silver rather than the traditional officer gold.
The problem?  Despite the fact of color television, silver and gold
tend to look the same (roughly metallic or mirror-like) unless you 
shine a light on them.  Hence the confusion.
Thus, O'Brien's new rating pip represents an effort by the TNG staff
to reduce confusion.  It is in effect a costuming modification.
Comments, anyone?
======================================================================
                            VICTOR WONG
                     vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca
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From: johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG & "Iron John"??
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:25:21 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <Susan_Schnitger.06qa@amicol.UUCP> Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger) writes:
>In the October 5 Newsweek the cover story on "The Cultural Elite"
>discusses how the various medias are inter-related and feed off
>each others ideas.  In one of their examples they trace the spread
>of the idea of a "men's movement" from Bly's work to "Iron John",
>to Bill Moyer's, to "wild man" retreats, to magazine stories and
>on into pop televsion shows.  The last sentence reads, "In the
>fall of '91, the movement pops up on 'Murphy Brown' and 'Star
>Trek--The Next Generation.'"
> 
>I don't remember that theme ever being dealt with.  Can anyone
>point me at the episode which they are referring to?

	That would be the episode "Darmok", where Picard and the
alien guy go into the "wilderness" on a planet to learn to
"communicate" better with each other. It's a male-bonding thing.

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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:41:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Texas

In article <1992Sep24.150041.10596@njitgw.njit.edu>, crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark) writes:
> Picard: "Mr. Worf, fire at will."
> Worf: "With pleasure, sir." (draws hand phaser, takes aim)
> Riker: "Oh no, not again" (ducks for cover)

Heh!  Ever watched "TaleSpin?"

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From: scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:31:15 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <1992Sep30.225351.6360@leela.cs.orst.edu>, petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen) writes:
     [...stuff deleted]
> 
> 2.  Someone else (sorry, I forgot who) suggested that perhaps the iron
>     filing wasn't there when the head was first examined by Data and
>     others because Picard hadn't put it there *yet*.
> 
> Who knows just why they didn't see it in the first place.  I just *love*
> Time Travel stories!  Just when I think I have it figured out, I
> suddenly realize, I don't.  I think I'm getting a *headache*. :-)
> 
> Marg

Whoever made the suggestion in 2. above apparently didn't follow
the story line very well.  Data first examined the head in the
24th century, 500 years AFTER Picard had left the iron filing in
it.  So if you're trying to figure out why Data didn't discover
the iron filing when he first examined the head, you'll have to
think again -- number 2 is NOT an explanation.

Time travel is a cute little gimmick used by SF writers. The only
way to figure it out is to (1) explain paradoxes (but then, they
wouldn't be paradoxes, would they?), (2) dismiss paradoxes, (3)
hypothesize alternate time lines, or ...

If YOU went back in time and murdered your mother when she was a
little girl, you would never have been born and would not then be
able to go back and murder her. But if you never murdered her,
then she grew up and bore you. Since you DO exist you can go back
and murder her. But then you would never have been born so you
couldn't go back and murder her. So she grew up and had you and
you went back and murdered her so that you were never born so you
didn't go back and murder her which means you were born and did
go back ...    Ridiculous, isn't it?  Heinlein wrote one of the
most tortured scenarios of this sort I ever read. I wish I could
find it again. I can't even remember the name of the story.

That stuff is as meaningless as the fake puzzle about three men
sharing a hotel room on a stormy night, paying $10 a piece, each
receiving $1 back, the bellboy keeping $2 ...   I'm sure you've
heard that ridiculous non-puzzle, so I won't repeat it. You'd be
surprised how many people hear it and can't figure out the
fallacy. They think it's a REAL puzzle and a REAL mystery.

Ditto for backward time travel.

  ...terry
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From: jdm@cs.brown.edu (John McCann)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:59:01 GMT


The All-Star Crew:

captain               -- Kirk
first officer         -- Riker
chief science officer -- Spock
chief medical officer -- McCoy
chief engineer        -- Scotty
chief of security     -- Worf
tactical officer      -- Chekov
navigation            -- Ro
helm                  -- Sulu
communications        -- Uhura
transport chief       -- O'Brien
head nurse            -- Crusher
assistant science officer -- Data
ship's shrink             -- Troi
starfleet admiral, whose orders Kirk disobeys/ignores  -- Picard
chief-of-reincarnation  -- tie -- Spock / Tasha / Mr. Leslie