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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
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Subject: Re: Credit/Charge Card (was Re: Social Development Unit)
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:27:12 GMT
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ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.130237.16960@bnr.ca>, khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:
>
>> Who needs the extra "privilege" of being an Amex member since ...
>> Most merchants prefer credit cards anyway.
>
>That's incorrect.  Both an in-house survey conducted some years ago by
>my bank and a survey by CASE shows that merchants prefer accepting cash
>to credit card.

  No doubt to avoid paying the credit card fees. This is a consumer
  edge in itself. An interesting book I read ("Turning Plastic Into Gold")
  a couple of years ago mentioned how merchants would go as far as to 
  offer their customers a slight discount on merchandise if cash were
  used. The percentage discount would normally be much more than the
  fee percentage deducted by credit card companies.

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From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Organization: CSA Research Pte Ltd, Singapore.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:14:51 GMT

sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong) writes:
>>harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:
>>I raised the concern that without financial help, I could not have attended
>>RI.  The ORA (one of the partners in helping to run RI today), did take this 
>>into consideration as it was a major concern amongst the alumni.  They have 
>>in place scholarship schemes, affliation card schemes (through Standard 
>>Chartered Bank you can get a VISA card that gives some money to ORA for the 
>>scholarship fund - if you want more info, e-mail me) etc.
>
>Wouldn't that actually defeat the purpose of determining who needs
>financial assistance though? With the restrictions on credit card issuance
>you 'd think those who could afford a Visa in Singapore would be
>able to pay RI's fees (Unless that is not intended for the one
>who needs assistance, but is a marketing strategy to increase VISA
>membership among a particular segment of the market, ie RI alum?).

Apologies for not making the above clear.  The Visa card scheme is for people 
who are Raffles alumni.  Everytime a person uses the card, Standard Chartered
gives 1% (I think) of what was spent to a fund set aside for scholarships.
That way, the alumni can continue contributing to the school long after 
leaving school.  I think this is a neat idea that should be explored by 
other schools. 

Other organizations, such as SAFRA, NUS etc also have such affliation/affinity 
card schemes.  I do not know what these organizations do with the revenues
such schemes generate.

Enjoy.
--
Harish Pillay |                  |    Internet:   harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore     | +65-775-0224 (w) |"Psst!  Wanna buy some mint-flavoured gum?"
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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re: was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:22:51 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <Brqx8y.33n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong) writes:

> Think you could find that article and post it sometime? It should prove
> interesting. But, hey, my good ol' stas prof always says: Stats you
> read or see is what the Statistician wants you to read... ;-). Though I'm
> sure most netters know that already (that's why I'm usually skeptical
> with stats released by govt agencies).
> 
> Bin Ong

I am sorry but I do not have the article with me.  It's back home in 
Singapore, and I think I must have thrown it away.

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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Credit/Charge Card (was Re: Social Development Unit)
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:07:12 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul27.130237.16960@bnr.ca>, khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

> Who needs the extra "privilege" of being an Amex member since ...
> Most merchants prefer credit cards anyway.

That's incorrect.  Both an in-house survey conducted some years ago by
my bank and a survey by CASE shows that merchants prefer accepting cash
to credit card.

Regards.

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Subject: Re: 1998 Commonwealth Games in KL?
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:36:12 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Jul21.232917.6070@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh) writes:
>Is anyone willing to report about the above news?

Confirmed.  I just read in the newspapers that the next commonwealth games
will be held in KL.  We beat Australia in the biddings.  I suppose KL
ought to improve her traffick situation by then.  It is very important
for Malaysia to show the rest of the world what we are made of.

>Waiting for such games to be held in Malaysia, for a long long time.

Wait just a little longer...

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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
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Subject: Re: 1998 Commonwealth Games in KL?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:03:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfu.ygoh.711824618
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

According to today's Vancouver Sun, K.L. was picked as the host of
the 1998 Commenwealth Games over Adelaide.
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From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:12:55 -0500
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W.H. Watt writes:

> In article <199207250028.AA02116@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu>, sya@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>>   I would think that this kind of information should be made known to all
>>   the cardholders. If the bank promises to present a percentage of the
>>   charges for the scholarship scheme, then the very least they could do
>>   would be to tell everyone how much exactly they're going to donate.
>>   Apparently, some of the cardholders would conceivably spend more for the
>>   sake of the school. 
>
> I doubt if there will be many people who would spend more for the sake of
> the school on purpose.  A more likely situation will be that given the
> choice of the various credit cards the person has, he/she may decide to use
> one in preference to the other cards.

  This still doesn't explain why such percentages are confidential. I was
  merely expressing my surprise in the manner in which the scheme is handled.
  I have read numerous advertisements by all sorts of major credit card
  firms announcing to the public that they would donate such a percentage of
  spendings to such a cause if you'd just apply for their credit cards.

  Regards.

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                                                Syed Shibli
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                                                +1 918 631 3257
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (Yu is Me              )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking for some1 in Mich. Tech. U.
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:17:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19390
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Hi Mich. Tech. Netters,
	I'm looking for someone by the name:
		Bernard Yu.
	He's from:
		Singapore.
	Dept.:
		E.E.E.
	Year:
		Freshman
If anyone has any information about him, please email to me. In addition,
could you please assist him in obtaining a telnet account.
Assistance is very much appreciated.
Adieus.
Albert.
Co-ordinator of Singapore Student Assoc., NDSU.
Assisting co-ordinator of Hong Kong Student Assoc., NDSU.
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From: wlau00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (wen-huat lau)
Subject: Looking for a friend in NTU ( Singapore )
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:12:59 GMT

I am looking for a M'sian friend in NTU Singapore.
His name is Liew Han Young ( Christopher). He is supposed to be in  
Enginerring 2nd year. Any one who knows him please notify me. 
E-mail address of him will be fine. 
Thank you very much.


My e-mail address is 
     1)	Wlau00@mik.uky.edu
     2) Wlau00@ukpr.uky.edu
      			     	
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From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Subject: Re: Official opening of RI (Bishan)
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.060034.6143@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> In article <harish.589.0@csar.uucp> harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

> 
> The Malays and indians constitute 15 % of Singapore's population. When less
> than  1% of them can get into RI, something must be wrong. Something must be
> done about it.

I propose a NEC program like the one in Malaysia, reserving place
in school for certain race. NOT!
A public school, one which based it's admission solely on academic merits 
is a personification of fairness. No strings attach, no favouratism, no
self-doubt when you do succeed. Fair and square.

RI is not the best in ASEAN, NO school is. However, to change it's
present enrollment standard because of some percieved unfairness, is
to go against the law of nature, survival of the fittest.

-Osbert 

(HCJC 79-80)


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From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:33:28 GMT


In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:

>In article <1992Jul25.185524.9669@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>
>: 
>: Again this sounds funny coming from you. Perhaps you can recommend me
>: your English teacher who taught you that "Sultans are a kind race".
>you forgot the "of", a kind "of" race, or a type of race!
>
>Obviously you have no immagination!


Oops..my fumble. "Sultans are a kind of race".  

**[BTW, readers, the above quote came from Mr Othman Ahmad himself. I'm SO
scared people might mistake that I said that. Hope you understand my
anxiety in putting that disclaimer ya, Encik Othman?]**

Since I do not understand completely your last statement, permit me to ask,
"What has imagination got to do with the context of the above post??"
Since you had accused me of trying to mislead the readers' minds, thought
I'd clarify with you first before I flame your ass off.

>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet


ATAN
Race: Sultan NOT!
Bangsa: Bukan Sultan
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Cold war against ISLAM (Part-1)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:34:06 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Jul20105455@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:

: 
: >What gives here?
: 
: You must remember that the next in line, in terms of fanatacism, are people like
: the Moonies.  And they proclaim themselves to be Christians.  So, it's not
: Muslims that the world media are against.  Just kooks.  Especially ones
: dangerous to others' health.
Not the world media. The Western Media.
It is what they perceive as kooks(?). I still do not understand why people
call Khomeini as a dictator when he does not have any official power. His
 official tittle is only as a religious leader which is againt Muslim principle.
In true ISLAMic government style, the head of state must have absolute power
 like a president of USA. Of course with consultations and he can be removed
 by the majority. 
	The IRANIAN religious leader can only advice or give fatua regarding
religious laws, but he does not have the mechanism to enforce it. It is up
to the people to do it. Of course Iranians respect Khomeini more that their
President, but that is their choice. If the Americans will respect their pope
or whatever more than their President , that is their choice. You cannot say
that the pope is a dictator. In fact it is the complete democratic process,
where people's choice is paramount.
	What is so extremist about Iranian revolution? Was it because of
the executions of war criminals? I though after world war 2 there were a lot
of executions of war criminals judged by generals, not even proper judges.
At least in Iran they are judged by Islamic judges, with witnesses called 
to the stand. The generals are not involved as judges, I mean the revolutionary
guards and soldiers loyal to the Islamic revolution. Because in Islam, only
certain people with certain criteria can be Judges. Professionals soldiership
is not an important criteria.
	Why are they so scared of Iran? They even support Iraq, which is
a proven dictator. Now tell me who is the most dangerous ones. The religious
ones or the ones who pretend to be religious.
	Do you know what NAZI means. I THINK it is Nationalist Socialists
Christians. They claim to represent Christianity. Even the Irish REpublican
army claims to be Catholics, so their battle was supposed to be based on
Religion, but do they follow Christian practices.
	Come on. It is more than that. You just have to ask a lot more 
questions.
--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Spratlys getting hot!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:59:10 GMT

China claims spratlys in its constitution. Japan, Vietnam complains.
Malaysian still has not bought its MIG 29. No money.

Hard to explain, just get the feeling on watching  TV. 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: Re: Credit/Charge Card (was Re: Social Development Unit)
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:25:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul27.130237.16960@bnr.ca>, khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

> There are, of course, many people who pay their credit card bills in full all 
> the time.  So what is the difference of an Amex charge card to the cardholder,
> other than it's high annual fees?
> 
> ...Kyle
> Who needs the extra "privilege" of being an Amex member since ...
> Most merchants prefer credit cards anyway.
> 
> My own opinion-LAH!!! 

	The Amex card is very useful if you travel a lot.  For example,
it lets you waiver insurance coverage if you rent a car.  This could save
you about at least $30 (depends on the number of days of rental).  You can
also cash personal check overseas !!  So you do have a period of using the
money "free" until that check was cashed.  Overall, the benefits may 
equal to the $75 annual fees.

Jack Teh
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Hwa Chong J. C.
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.040416.407@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, ycchin@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Chin Yih Chong) writes:
|> 	After reading the article by K.C.Goh, I have also some points to
|> raise.....
|> 
|> 	I studied in HJC (88-89), never really have a chance to use the
|> original campus, but dispite of the misfortune, the teachers and
|> lecturers are very helpful and keen on their work. I agreed that Hwa
|> Chong has a bunch of very good mathematics teachers, like Mr Yeo and Mr
|> Tien and many of the new staff......
|> 
|> 	Hwa Chong Spirit lives on.......
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 

I'm glad to know that Mr Yeo and Mr Tien are still in HJC. I'm sure that many
students have benefited from their instruction.  Are Mr Fong, Mr 
Lum (Physics), Mr Loh (Chemistry), Mr Chia (Comp Sc), Mr Walter Ng (GP),
still around ?

Kelvin Cheu (81s62)
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From: Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.173042.577@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
(Othman Ahmad) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.072640.9008@newshost.anu.edu.au>
Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au (Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au) writes:
>
>: >	Which one do you believe? Me or you, who have never done it before?
>: 
>: Actually, NONE of the above constitute evidence.  I wouldn't trust a doctor
as
>: far as I could throw her _unless_ she'd experienced sex both before _and_
after
>
>Was that the evidence brought forward againt clitorectory? Did you conduct
>psychological test before and after , to conclusively prove that the women
>lost all or most of their sexual pleasures.

No.  This is exactly my point.  Where is the evidence _for_ the clitorectomy? 
When it comes to mutilation, one needs to establish _why_ something must be
done, not why _not_.  I was pointing out that _none_ of the points you made
above were sufficient for that case.

>: a clitorectomy.  Nor blue movies.  Nor (sorry to say) your wife.
>You do not even believe the women who had circumcision in ASEAN. 
>You must read my words carefully. I do not mention clitorectomy being
>practiced in ASEAN because I saw it myself to my wife and daughter.
>	I have lost more sexual pleasures from wathing those films and books,
>and naked or semi-naked women. That is for sure.

I'm trying to understand your perspective in these last two paragraphs but I
cannot.  Please rephrase them so that I don't make a fool of myself for flaming
the hell out of you for what I'm sure will prove to be reasonable statements.

regardless,
Andrew

now hit d
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:30:55 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore

In article <199207230416.AA06135@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu> sya@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:

: joseph@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Joseph D'Cruz) writes:
: 
: > circumcision is referred to as a 'clitorectomy'.  The clitoris is the part of
: > the female sexual organs responsible for almost all sensual pleasure women
: > experience during intercourse.  What you have done is to deny your daughter
: > the ability to experience pleasure during sexual intercourse.
:                                                  +1 918 631 3257
I missed joseph's news. 
Can you explain a Singaporean's doctors comment that Muslims girls in Singapore
have more sexually desire than their non-muslim counterparts. I have seen
blue movies, and I know my wife's reactions and I even discuss with her openly
about this.
	Which one do you believe? Me or you, who have never done it before?

Circumcision has nothing to do with ISLAM. It was part of the Semitic culture.
clitorectomy may be practiced in some parts of the muslim nations, but it
is not universal. Not in ASEAN. I would love to remove this practice but it
is our womenfold who insist on it, including my wife.
--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
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From: khor@bmerh9d4.bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Credit/Charge Card (was Re: Social Development Unit)
Reply-To: khor@bmerh9d4.bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:52:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.140712.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.130237.16960@bnr.ca>, khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:
|> 
|> > Who needs the extra "privilege" of being an Amex member since ...
|> > Most merchants prefer credit cards anyway.
|> 
|> That's incorrect.  Both an in-house survey conducted some years ago by
|> my bank and a survey by CASE shows that merchants prefer accepting cash
|> to credit card.
|> 
|> Regards.
|> 
It seems like my ending remarks were mis-interpreted.  I was comparing Amex
charge card vs VISA/MC/etc credit cards.

...Kyle  
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