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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Mainland stealing Benz from HK (was Re: TW News 7/10/92)
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:34:51 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>This is nothing new.  My father's company lost THREE Mercedes Benz
>in TWO weeks in July.  Apparently the corrupted GuangDong officials
>are "helping" organized car stealing from HongKong - the place with
>the highest number of Mercedes Benz per Capital in the world.

>One HongKong (british) government official got his Benz stolen.  He
>was really upset, and instead of reporting to the police, he complained
>to Beijing.  One or two days later, his car was returned.

I seem to recall the famous Chinese theater actor "New Horse Boy" lost his
Mercedes a few months back and he was able to "recover" it from the
mainland within a very short time.  The Hongkong police seems to know 
"who" to call when they really need the vehicle back. :)

-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: suho@cs.cornell.edu (Su-Ho Hwang)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:36:43 GMT

bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:

>> In article <shl1.718573806@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu >> (James T. Kirk) writes:
>>
>>>What's wrong with having five daughters?  Please don't be so sexist.  Trying
>>>to have more children would only increase the burden of the parents both
>>>financially and emotionally.  If I were you, I would concentrate on raising
>>>the five daughters you have instead of worrying about how to give birth to
>>>a son.  
>>>The supposedly "male superority" in Chinese tradition is outdated in today's 
>>>society.
>
> I think you're right.  But here's something interesting:
> You work, you sweat, you argue (with your wife?), you worry sick of them,
> you go through all the hardships to raise your daughter, and finally
> having the joy of seeing them grow up... only to give them away to 
> someone else...
>
> Brandon  


Don't you think that's a little old-fashion?  I agree with "James",
(make that Steven, I thought Cornell people are busy studying for
their prelims these days :) ) the tradtional Chinese thinking does
not really apply in this case.  I serious doubt that you gave 
your daughters away when they got married.  That might be true in
the old days, but needless to say, there are a LOT more freedom for 
married women in today's society.


- hsh

PS  I think the original post was meant to stir things up in this
    group.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:36:10 GMT

In article <2AD6B7B0.1475@news.service.uci.edu> tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.140341.21433@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>[Lines deleted]
>>	probably increase tax income to the government that she may
>>	not increase your property tax for the next 30 years (or you
>>	...
>
>1. The issue here is *not* increasing tax, just to make it fair.

	You have my agreement. The reason I mentioned tax is against the
	argument that it may hurt individual home owner.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:14:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct9.001603.23735@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:

>And senior citizens often found it easier to live with daughter's family
>than with son's family.
>
>My Conclusion: It is probably better to have daughters because they usually
>care for parents more than sons.

Yeah...I guess you're probably right...
I saw "Father of the Bride" and it made me don't want to have a daughter
to avoid that heartache...  :-)


Brandon
--
Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Department of Computer Science    
University of Arizona               Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:13:34 GMT

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>	** You have been told wrong. That's why you need to teach
>	   your son a correct way of being a man. Otherwise, your
>	   son will just learn the same as you did from the society.

>	   Of course you should hug your son as frequent as you can.
>	   If you are not used to do that, hug your wife in front of
>	   your children instead. They will learn.

Wait.  So you consider showing your affections "manly"?  Well, not last time
I heard the definition of "manliness" from an old fashion guy like you.

Of course, how could I forget?  You are confused about the difference between
men and woemn yourself.  You can't even name ONE difference.

Have you considered that possiblity that you having been trying to name something that is non-existent?

Go figure.

                                                   --Steve
From: wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:07:48 GMT

Hi,
I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?

I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

Wangnan WU
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Any effort for TV & radio deregulation??
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:52:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T


>In article <1992Oct4.210415.10913@cs.yale.edu>, yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang) writes:
>> 
>> Entertainments are important. But people in Taiwan deserve factual
>> reports on events and decisions that could impact their livings.
>> Someone, either candidates or intellectuals, should really advocate
>> and promote people's right to know.

	Examining the political problems in US, I think it is more
	important in Taiwan to promote people's DESIRE to know. If
	the desire is there, the need will be fulfilled very soon;
	anthor excerise in market economic :-)

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:56:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct16.100520.3850@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.160229.15877@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>> 
>> 	You change the subject. You stated that not very one has a
>> ...
>
> 
>	   On what you said, look it this way: In the "traditional
>	   discriminating family value" you mentioned, there are
>	   more "insiders" than that in the "modern, nondiscriminating
>	   family value". Do you agree?

	No, my point is why having this distinction of insider/outsider
	based on sexism tradition in the first place. Because of this
	discrimination, there comes your concept of insider/outsider.
	Why can't we treat both the husband and wife's family as equal
	and get rid of this "outsider/insider" idea?

	Your comment, IMO, is off the mark.

>	** Women also have their "inherited advantages". The wonderful
>	   generic differences create advantages for both sides yet
>	   not only non-confrontational but mutually constructive.

	However, we have people who use this "inherited difference"
	to discrimate based on sex; for example, female flight
	attentant has to be a virgin-- I am sure you know this :-)


Yung-Kao Hsu
From: plin@alheka.usc.edu (Po-Han Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Reader Poll
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:11:13 -0700
Organization: NONE
NNTP-Posting-Host: alheka.usc.edu
Summary: Poll

I would like to take a poll of the readers in this newsgroup.
If you would like to participate, then reply to me via email
stating your...

 1) Status in US: Citizen, Permanent Resident, Student Visa, NA, etc
 2) Your Place of Birth.

Thank you.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: "ken lu" <ken.lu@canrem.com>
Subject: how to give birth to
Reply-To: "ken lu" <ken.lu@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:54:52 EST


WW>Hi,
WW>I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
WW>eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?

WW>I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

WW>Wangnan WU
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I will be a little busy lately.
However I will send you some information about how to give birth to a son OR
a daughter within over 90% accuracy ASAP. You will omit the second part
concerning the daughter , of course.
But I still agreed with someone on the net What's wrong with FIVE daughters.
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From: who@austlcm.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:24:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Oct9.172426.7241
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In article <1992Oct9.101616.3803@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <2329@cix.cict.fr>, wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) writes:
>> Hi,
>> I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>> eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?
>> 
>> I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
>> 
>> Wangnan WU
>
>	** My recipe:
>
>	   Before you make love:
>
>		a. Don't eat meat for two weeks   

   or

>		b. Don't make love for two weeks 

   Either way will do.:_)

>	   
>	   When you ejaculate: make it as deep as possible. 

   If possible, a tube will help. :_)

>
>	   After ejaculation: have your wife lie down on bed with both 
>	   legs up for at least half hour.  

   It works even better, if you hang her legs to the ceiling for 24 hours.   :_)

>
>
>	   Rate of success: 100% (2/2) 

   Question: Have you only done it twice? 

>
>	   Let me know the result about one (?) year later.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:43:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.092257.3812@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.140939.22223@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>> 
>> 	Hmmm... Why so often when I called home, my married sister and
>> 	her husband would pick up the phone :-)
>
>	** Because she got a good husband. Not everyone is as lucky
>	   as she is.

	Has it occurred to you by treating male and female on an
	equal basis that there are better hope for good "husbands"
	in the future? Those not "so-good" husbands are more possibly
	raised by their parents who treat their children differently
	based on their sex.

>	** Don't do that. Ultimately, male and female are born equal.

	"Born equal"?! Don't kid yourself, look at your sexism remark
	below.

>	   may think the same way. Never tell your boy to give up his
>	   inherited advantages. If he does, he will not be welcome in
>	   the world of female.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: tsma@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: EARTHWORM-QUESTION?
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:28:03 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Recently, me and my friends had a chat about on little creature
"earthworm". (Actually, some of them can grow really big, 3 meters,
approximately). Unfortunately, none of us knows this creature very
much, the only major thing we know is earthworms can be used as an 
excellent fishing bait.
Now my question is, do earthworms make a clearly audiable sound?
if they do, how they do it?
If any one knows the answer, please e-mail to me or post it.

Thanks in advance.



                                -TSMA#@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:14455 soc.culture.china:28027
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Thought about the protection bill
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.15OCT199215332238
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <YCHEN.92Oct11163124@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu>, ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen) writes...
>I post this for my friend, Mr. Lin.
> 
>ychen
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Congratulations to many Chinese students/scholars who want to stay
>in the US.  Now they have it.  President Bush has signed into law the
>so-called "protection bill" which will benefit an estimated 80,000 to
>100,000 Chinese in the US.  Since they don't want to return to China,
>it is only fair to let go Taiwan and/or Tibet if it is the people's
>wish there.  I sincerely hope those who don't want to stay with China,
>be it Chinese, Tibetan or Taiwanese, will find their ways out.
> 
>cheers,
> 
>Ken-Huang Lin
>khlin@uiwpls.ece.uiuc.edu
> 

The CSS's staying here is for the future of China,your staying away is
for the destroying of China. You know that and we all know that. So, I
would say: forget it.
From: ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Bush or Clinton?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:56:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article <1992Oct15.075453.15857@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca () writes:
>
>I don't understand the point of re-posting an article.  Response 9 is the
>same as Response 4.
>

It was my mistake. The network disconnected so I did not know if the first
one went through. My apology.

>"The most idiotic" VP has been proven false before.  Besides, what's wrong
>when the VP stressed the importance of family values?  And aren't those
>values consistent with the Chinese traditions?  

See, there's nothing wrong with "talk about" family values. There is
everything wrong with just "talk about" it. If B/Q wants strong family
values, they should not only shoot their spits, but also invest in
education, in research and development, in creating jobs. What good is the
family value if there's no income, no education, no future? 

If Bush really believes in family value, he should disavow Neil Bush for
stealing money from banks. If Quayle really believes in family values, he
should help children who are alive today, in the cities and suburbs, not
just talking about helping unborn children, who, once born, is no longer
his concern.

Z
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Mainland stealing Benz from HK (was Re: TW News 7/10/92)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:23:44 GMT

gangzhou@koh-sun13.usc.edu (Gang Zhou) writes:

>In article <9228516.17454@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
>>
>>>HONGKONG -- Thefts of luxury cars in Hongkong had risen to the highest
>>
>>are "helping" organized car stealing from HongKong - the place with
>>the highest number of Mercedes Benz per Capital in the world.
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Really? Did you ever visit Germany. I lived in Germany for seven years. I can
>tell you that about 30% of the taxis in Germany are Mercedes.

>The city with the highest number of Mercedes Benz per Capital in the world
>may be Stuttgart, Germany, the HQ of Mercedes-Benz AG, where nearly
>every worker of the Mercedes-Benz AG drives a Mercedes. They get a 20%
>discount and may sell the car for the same prise a year later.

I'm pretty sure it's HongKong.  That's what I've read.  What's the
population of Germany?  77 Million, whereas HK is only 5.8 Million.

Maybe not the *city* with the highest number per Capital, but definitely
country/colony/whatever_you_call_HK.

-- 
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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:12:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct14.183607.25072@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes...
> 
>Under 50 years of Japanese rule, Taiwanese mothertongues
>survived.  Yet under less than 50 years of Chinese rule,
>Taiwanese mothertongues are dying.  Why?

I guess Mr. Chou do not care the fact that Japanese forced Taiwan people 
speak/write Japanese and adopted Japanese name during the colony era.

>Without one's mothertongue, one loses the cultural link to
>one's heritage.  Is Taiwanese heritage any less "proper"
>than Chinese heritage?  

Taiwanese heritage and Chinese heritage are equal and their languages are 
equal. But in my opinion, there should be one common language everyone 
know how to speak.

>Prime Minister Hao says "I love
>Taiwan, yet I love China even more."  This is like saying
>"I love my wife, yet I love another woman even more."
>Is this not the attitude of a colonizer?

Premier Hau thinks Taiwan is part of China so he loves both. Hau would think 
Mr. Chou abandoned his family member. But Mr. Chou already thought Taiwan is 
not part of China so he think Premier Hau loves outsider.

Maybe Mr. Chou should tell those Taiwanese Americans dont love Taiwan because 
they are Americans already.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: philliao@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Hsin-Chao Phil Liao)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:25:56 GMT

In article <1blb0cINNchj@fido.asd.sgi.com> jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.233438.396@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
>philliao@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Hsin-Chao Phil Liao) writes:
>
>|> Could you rephrase your question so that we can understand it?
>|> There is no official language in the USA.  Defining an official 
>|> language is a violation of the first amendment - the freedom of
>|> speech.
>
>I think you are a little confused.  Freedom of speech means you have
>the freedom to express your opinions verbally, written, or in whatever
>other forms.  I guess having the right to communicate in whatever
>language one chooses might also be protected by the same clause.
>
>However, having an official language does not in anyway violate this
>clause - i.e. one can still express his/her opinion and if it happens
>to be another language it is still permitted without fears of being
>thrown in jail.  Of course, during the McCarthy era, things were
>slightly
>different.
>
>Look, Canada has both English and French as its "official" language.
>And yet, do you think people who speak other languages are thrown into
>jail?  I'm pretty sure they have similar protections in their
>constitution.
>
>Regardless of whether there is an official language or not, not
>speaking
>in the official language does NOT equate to committing a crime.  Got
>it?
>
>James Yu
>
>DISCLAIMER: My employer has nothing to do with this posting.

Of course you are right!  But then what is the use of an "official
language?"  For people to communicate?  They can choose any language
they want.  A language in which official governmental documents are 
written?  Well, the government are the people.  And again, you can't
assign any one language for the people in this country.  So we have
concluded that either 1) there is no need of an official language in
the USA or 2) that having an official language implies that it is illegal 
to use another language which really violates the constitution.

- Phil  (philliao@cory.berkeley.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: philliao@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Hsin-Chao Phil Liao)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:34:38 GMT

In article <ldpi4cINNb0r@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>The emperors of Ming could give up mother-tongue, why you guys cannot?
>The emperors of Qing could give up mother-tongue, why you guys cannot?
>The overseas Chinese could give up mother-tongue, why you guys cannot?

1) The emprors were stupid dictators!  They were losers!  And only losers
   would want to lose their mother tongues!  (The emperors needed to
   speak the language of the MAJORITY of the people; otherwise, nobody
   would understand him, and that would render him powerless.)
2) Not all oversea Chinese give up their mother tongues.  I.e. Not all
   oversea Chinese are losers!
3) Speaking Mandarin doesn't necessitate the need to give up one's 
   mother tongue!  I.e.  It's alright to speak as many languages as
   you want without losing anything.  

>Did any one see/hear any non-American accent official in the US government?
>

Could you rephrase your question so that we can understand it?
There is no official language in the USA.  Defining an official 
language is a violation of the first amendment - the freedom of speech.

- Phil (philliao@cory.berkeley.edu)
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Bush or Clinton?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:26:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <ding.921014084414@bell.ee.eng.auburn.edu>, ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes...
> 
>Dan Quayle may be an ardent ROC supporter, but he is also the most idiotic
>VP in the history of USA. 
> 
>As for Solarz, he may not be a strong ROC supporter but he surely is a
>very vocal Taiwan Indep supporter. I can see how he's been unfriendly to
>Taiwan at all.

Just for the record, during recent NY primary election, Solarz has said 
several times that he never supported TI but Taiwan's political reform. 
However Senator Pell is a well-known TI supporter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan