HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:31:21 GMT

kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:

....

>Two ideas come to mind:

>	Use something like RFC931 authentication to verify users (although
>RFC931 is really an identification protocol, not an authentication protocol).

>	Make a setuid news reader that only people in a special group can
>execute, and have the reader bind to a reserved local port, and have the
>NNTP server check for a reserved remote port.

>Both of these ideas have plenty of problems (an understatement :-) ), but
>they would work (at least, I can't see any problems).

I'm not sure I've got it right but there seem to be two problems: 

First is to put somekind of check in the program directly accessing
the news spool to control accessing. If there was only a single
machine involved, this might only involve writing a single function
that would check to see if the uid is permitted access and compiling
it into each newsreader at the point where it changes groups.
(Naturally, the news spool would have to be set up to deny access to
anything but those newsreaders.)

Second, if nntp is being used then this same function could be added
to the nntp server but then there needs to be a way to make sure
that only authorized programs could access the server. I think this
is what you are talking about with the 'reserved port' but I'm not
sure what that is, can you explain? 

Dave

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Xref: sparky news.software.b:3752 news.software.nn:1735
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM posting to moderated AND unmoderated groups in one command
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nn
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:13:35 GMT

In <9301111543.AA09132@sap-ag.de> wohler@hw1175.sap-ag.de (Bill Wohler) writes:

>henry,

>> The only way an article can be posted *once* to *both* a moderated group
>> *and* an unmoderated group is via the moderated group's moderator.

>  is it your belief that a user should know whether a group is
>  moderated or not?  i don't think a user should.  therefore, the
>  software should post the article immediately to those newsgroups
>  that are not moderated and forward it to the moderators of the
>  moderated groups.  it is not sufficient for the moderator to do the
>  crossposting because it is possible that the moderator does not have
>  access to newsgroups that the poster does, or the moderator might
>  digestify the postings.

I actually think the above is what should be done, but it is NOT
what rn/nn/trn/gnews, etc DOES.

I don`t know how to effect that change, though.

--Cindy
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: c-news with taylor uucp
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:44:48 GMT
Organization: Unix in NYC

In article <1993Jan10.213610.34219@r-node.pci.on.ca> marc@r-node.pci.on.ca (Marc G Fournier) writes:
>	I just compiled taylor uucp under linux, using the
>taylor format for spooldirs...which is all well and fine, except...
>c-news doesn't like that :(
>
>	I think all I need to change is where it checks how many
>batches are already created...that is in sendbatches?  has anyone
>done modifications for this?
>

If you're not using /usr/spool/uucp for queueing outgoing batches, then there
are two files you will want to change:
	/usr/lib/newsbin/spacefor
	/usr/lib/newsbin/queuelen
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Feeding internal sites
Reply-To: pt@compass.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:57:03 GMT

I'm a Cnews (performance release) site, not on the internet and I haven't
got nntp set up.

I've got an internal site here (electra), which is on a different subnet, but
they want a newsfeed.  I cannot do an rsh to them, or use NFS.

What is the best way to get news to them?  Currently, I'm feeding them using
the following line in my batchparms:
athene      3000000 100     batcher compb   viamail

(Athene is the bridge machine, and it has a mail alias to forward mail to
enews on to electra, where it is piped through recenews)

Is there a better way of doing this?

-- 
I'm the News Administrator at this site, and you're not!
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:48:30 GMT

brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>You could always encrypt articles and have a reading program on the other
>end with access to the passwords, which in turns only allows access to
>the right users, however you must do this:

>	Have reasonably quick encryption, somehow still secure.

>	The remote program nor the nntp server should be capable of
>	dumping core or being ptraced.

Sounds pretty messy as I want to limit access to *all* the news!

You see the networks in Japan are being reorganized and all .or/.co
machines will have to start paying for their news (it used to be
free for the price of telephone call--10 yen/minute--from the
government supported backbone.) Since not all members of the Aegis
Society (which supports Aegis) want to read news, they don't want to
pay for news. Further, some members want to share the cost of
selected mailing lists->news. So I'm looking for a way I can control
access....

Dave

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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Problem with C News slave/master numbering and Xref'ed articles?
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:02:21 GMT
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die

Jason Molenda:
>I'm calling relaynews with `-g' on our news numbering master machine
>and with `-b umn.edu' on our slave news reading machines
[...]
>I'm running SunOS 4.1.2 and I believe I applied all of the
>known.problems patches.  I'm not using the fast stdio stuff.  Has
>anyone seen this?  I find it hard to believe that something like this
>has gone unnoticed all this time so I suspect it is somehow my fault.
>:-)

The replication code was new and marked as somewhat experimental in the
performance release.  I believe this diff will fix the problems you are
seeing:

*** relay/fileart.c.old	Mon Jan 11 19:56:34 1993
--- relay/fileart.c	Mon Jan 11 19:56:35 1993
***************
*** 164,169 ****
--- 164,174 ----
  	}
  	if (ngs == NULL)
  		art->a_status |= ST_DROPPED;		/* bummer */
+ 	else
+ 		/* convert any spaces to commas for fileart */
+ 		for (groups = ngs; *groups != '\0'; groups++)
+ 			if (*groups == ' ')
+ 				*groups = NGSEP;
  	return ngs;
  }
  
***************
*** 222,227 ****
--- 227,234 ----
  			gotgoodng(art, ng, artnumstr);
  		free(ng);
  
+ 		if (numb != NULL)		/* number supplied? */
+ 			*--numb = XREFDELIM;	/* restore lost byte */
  		if (comma != NULL)
  			*comma++ = NGSEP;	/* step past comma */
  
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: marc@r-node.pci.on.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: c-news with taylor uucp
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:36:10 GMT

Hi...

	I just compiled taylor uucp under linux, using the
taylor format for spooldirs...which is all well and fine, except...
c-news doesn't like that :(

	I think all I need to change is where it checks how many
batches are already created...that is in sendbatches?  has anyone
done modifications for this?

thanks...

Marc
	
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From: anselmo@nic.near.net (Ed Anselmo)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Where do NNTP cogniscenti hang out?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:21:58 -0500
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.near.net
In-reply-to: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET's message of 11 Jan 1993 10:39:33 -0500

>>>>> On 11 Jan 1993 10:39:33 -0500, rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) said:

rsalz> The NNTP-Mangers mailing list
rsalz> <nntp-managers-request@colossus.apple.com> is very quiet....
rsalz> The list is primarily redistributed by NSFnet regional; so if
rsalz> you are on NSFnet, ask your local folks who (if anyone)
rsalz> redistributes it.  For example,
rsalz> nntp-managers-nearnet-request@think.com, if you're a NEARnet
rsalz> member (I believe).

It's nearnet-nntp-managers@cs.yale.edu.  The current
nntp-managers-request list:

250-<fair@apple.com>
250-Erik E. Fair <\fair>
250-<jvnc-nntp-managers-request@cs.yale.edu (Ed Anselmo)>
250-<nearnet-nntp-managers-request@cs.yale.edu (Ed Anselmo)>
250-<los-nettos-nntp-managers-request@usc.edu (Mike Cooper)>
250-<cerfnet-nntp-managers-request@usc.edu (Mike Cooper)>
250-<cicnet-nntp-managers-request@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Matt Crawford)>
250-<nysernet-nntp-managers-request@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Graham)>
250-<prepnet-nntp-managers-request@cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich)>
250-<texas-nntp-managers-request@bcm.tmc.edu (Stan Barber)>
250 <westnet-nntp-managers-request@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)>

If your network provider isn't on this list, then it goes on the lists
that Erik Fair maintains.  Since some of the people on
nntp-managers-request are busier and/or more attentive than others,
the time it takes to get added to nntp-mangers varies.
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: In-coming mail to news question
Originator: erodrigu@tortel
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 14:53:05 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion
Keywords: mail news


In article <1993Jan8.210305.18495@siemens.com>, aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
> >Is there any way to cause in-coming e-mail to be posted as news articles?   
> 
> I'm using a package called "newsgate" that seems to work well.  You can find
> it on a variety of machines, eg., ftp.uu.net in
> usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume24.  Al-Bob says check it out.
> -- 

You must ask for the LAST version to Rich Salz (rsalz@uunet.uu.net).
It's not in a public ftp.

edo...

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 c-OO  concurrir aqui, por           OO-c   .  erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl   .
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Broken moderator connection in c-news
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:45:52 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

I recently recovered my c-news configuration after upgrading from AIX 3.1.5 to
AIX 3.2 on an RS/6000.  After so doing, the part of c-news that mails to the
moderator of moderated newsgroups appears to be broken.  I can post to a
moderated newsgroup, but after so doing, the post just disappears into the
ether.  I'm afraid I'm relatively ignorant of the inner workings of news, but
if someone can give me a hand tracking down what might be wrong here (the
mailpaths is right, by the way), I'd sure appreciate it!
--
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Change agent, Unix weenie, powder hunter                           ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: aggarwal@tigger.jvnc.net (Vikas Aggarwal)
Subject: Re: Feeding internal sites
Originator: aggarwal@bambi.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:49:21 GMT

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>In article <C0CFB4.65E@geovision.gvc.com> pt@compass.gvc.com writes:
>>I'm a Cnews (performance release) site, not on the internet and I haven't
>>got nntp set up.
>>
>>I've got an internal site here (electra), which is on a different subnet, but
>>they want a newsfeed.  I cannot do an rsh to them, or use NFS.
>>
>>What is the best way to get news to them?  Currently, I'm feeding them using
>>[viamail and recenews]...
>>
>>Is there a better way of doing this?

>Not an obvious one.  You've got to ship them the stuff *somehow*.  The
>usual way of doing it over TCP/IP is with NNTP, with a minority using
>UUCP over TCP.  If you're not willing to put either of those up, the

Has anyone developed a 'ftpxfer' kind of program to transfer batches
via FTP ? Yes,,, sounds simple enough but would be nice if someone
has already thought about the link-down, xfer checks and all that...

	-vikas
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:19:30 GMT

molenda@msi-i9.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>>>Bear in mind that the news articles are stored in ordinary files that
>>>are normally readable to anyone.  People can read news using "cat" if
>>>they must.  You're going to have to change the permissions on the files
>>>(or, more practically, the directories they're in).  C News, and I'm

>>I want to deny all access to the ~/spool/news and only have the news
>>software be able to read/write the directories and files.

>Dave, I think you missed his point.  Why not have everything in spool/news
>owned by 'news' and then have different groups (i.e. in /etc/group) for
>each newsgroup or hierarchy that you want to control?  like a altsex
>group, for instance.  The directory permissions on spool/news/alt/sex
>would be rwxr-x---, owner `news', group `altsex'.  Then put the users
>who you want to have access to the group in /etc/group and be done with
>it.

Ooops, maybe I didn't state what I wanted clearly enough.

I want any user to be able to read any newsgroup on a case-by-case
basis without having to exit the newsreader (to change group).

Dave

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From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:42:53 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <3655@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>So far the conclusion I've come to is that the newsreader(s) will
>have to pass the uid to the nntp server ...
This is not as easy as you think.  Any client can connect to your
server.  Making it impossible for them to send the right uid is
very difficult.
	telnet news-server 110
	200 Restricted server, go ahead
	group mgmt.raises
	480 permission denied
	UID 0
	280 Hello boss
	group mgmt.raises
	211 15 989 1006 mgmt.raises
	...

As someone else mentioned, INN can do some access control based
on IP address and/or cleartext name/password; these commands can be
sent at any time by a reader to vary its access dynamically.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Subject: Sudden slowdown of Cnews processing
Organization: Lost in NYC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:19:10 GMT

Our site uses a DECstation 3100/ Ultrix 4.2 for our newsfeed, using a
relatively stale copy of Cnews (circa July 1990).  Everything has been
running smoothly (more or less) for a LONG LONG time.  But on about Dec 24,
the news processing suddenly started dragging its feet.  Things were
so bad that we couldn't keep up with our feed, and nobody could post
anything even locally, as there was always a relaynews process hanging
around locking the system.


The relaynews process that gets spawned by the newsrun script spending
most of its time in D state (disk wait).  I tried a few things to no avail:
1) Ran expire a few times for good measure
2) Recreated the filesystem to eliminate disk fragmentation as a factor

I then recreated the history files using the mkhistory script, and
that seems to have cured the problem.

Prior to me recreating the history, these were the sizes:

	-rw-rw-r--  1 news      6096380 Dec 29 17:12 /var/news/history
	-rw-rw-r--  1 news            0 Dec 28 20:00 /var/news/history.dir
	-rw-rw-r--  1 news       399964 Dec 29 17:14 /var/news/history.pag

And now they're:
	-rw-rw-r--  1 news      3836657 Jan  4 16:09 /var/news/history
	-rw-rw-r--  1 news            0 Jan  3 20:00 /var/news/history.dir
	-rw-rw-r--  1 news       399964 Jan  4 16:09 /var/news/history.pag

Why has this happened?  Is this a known problem?  Was it fixed in a
later version of Cnews?  Should I bother updating to the latest?

	Thanks,
		- Steve -

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From: kamel@umiacs.umd.edu (Ibrahim M. Kamel)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Software for beauty salon : WANTED
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:05:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

I'm trying to find a software for beauty salon, to help the customer
to select the appropriate makeup color.  I don't have exact
specification, but the whole system should do something like this:
useing a vedio camera, the picture of the customer is displayed on the
screen. The customer select a product (e.g. lip stick,...), 
from a menu on the screen the effect appear on his picture on the screen.

If you have any information that might help me, please send
me a mail at (kamel@cs.umd.edu).
(please, don't post on the news since I don't check it frequently)

kamel@cs.umd.edu

Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps)
Subject: INNd simultaneous arrival timeout too long
Summary: The WIP_CHECK parameter in innd/nc.c should be reduced
Keywords: innd readclose nntplink timeout
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:03:52 GMT

I had been having some trouble with an INND/nntplink setup.
I have traced these to the setting of WIP_CHECK in innd/nc.c, which is
delivered (in version 1.2) as 60*10, i.e. 10 minutes.

Scenario:
	feed A offers article - accepted
	Feed B offers same article
	Feed A sends article
	(feed A continues)
	Feed B does not receive a reply for 10 minutes, and times out
	the connection.
	Feed B restarts - offers same article; refused.

This will repeat over and over. Uunet timed us out 14 times yesterday.

The "correct" value for this would lead to "most" articles in the
process of being received to be completely received - i.e. very few
duplicates. I've set my copy of innd to 5 seconds, and was receiving
perhaps 20 duplicates/hour on Friday evening (GMT) but none over the
weekend. Maybe 10 or 20 seconds would be a good value - it depends on
the behaviour of and bandwidth to your main feeds. Certainly less than a
minute.

Are you affected? Yes, if you see a "readclose" in your innd syslog file,
you should reduce your own WIP_CHECK:

Jan  3 21:22:37 pipe innd: news.uu.net:15 readclose
Jan  3 21:22:37 pipe innd: news.uu.net:15 closed seconds 333 accepted 10 refused 16 rejected 0
Jan  3 21:22:52 pipe innd: news.uu.net connected 15

If you're running nntplink, and see this:

Jan 10 20:43:27 pipe nntplink[9706]: news.uu.net: connection timed out while reading reply
Jan 10 20:53:50 pipe nntplink[9706]: news.uu.net: connection timed out while reading reply

- then ask the admin of the other site to reduce their WIP_CHECK value.
(I've already mailed David)

BTW - congratulations to the authors of INND for making such a
maintainable product. It took me less than 10 minutes to find the fix
once I knew what the problem was, a tribute to the good structure of
the innd.

Ian
(news@pipex.net)
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From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: INN nnrpd: bad_address_family error
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:57:57 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1993Jan7.045343.18783@sophia.smith.edu> jbotz@sophia.smith.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>   Jan  6 22:09:16 slab nnrpd[359]: ? bad_address_family 1
>I'm running INN on a DECstation 3100, Ultrix 4.3.
The problem is that innd does close-on-exec, and when you dup the socket
down to 0,1,2 for nnrpd, Ultrix maintains the close-on-exec bit.  The fix,
which is in inn1.3 (coming soon, I promise) is to have Spawn in innd/innd.c
clear the close-on-exec bit on fd's 0,1,2 before it does the exec.
	/r$
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:43:14 GMT

molenda@i9.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>Any other ideas anybody?

>hack the reader?  i.e. see if you can't rip the 'g' guts out of rn (so
>they can only read one group at a time) and add code to do
>authorization based on an access file (aka ACLs) at startup so they need
>to type "rn <grpname>".

I haven't looked at the code, but I would have thought you could
just add a call to make that check at the point rn/nn/etc. are
changing groups. 

A brief look at rn shows these fragments in ng.c:

=== fragment 1 from ng.c ===
    if (eaccess(ngdir,5)) {		/* directory read protected? */
	if (eaccess(ngdir,0)) {
#ifdef VERBOSE
  	    IF(verbose)
		printf("\nNewsgroup %s does not have a spool directory!\n",
		    ngname) FLUSH;
	    ELSE
#endif
#ifdef TERSE
		printf("\nNo spool for %s!\n",ngname) FLUSH;
#endif
============================

=== fragment 2 from ng.c ===
============================
    /* chdir to newsgroup subdirectory */

    if (chdir(ngdir)) {
	printf(nocd,ngdir) FLUSH;
	mode = oldmode;
	return -1;
    }
============================

>I have no idea how modular the goto-next-group code is in rn.  I'm just
>throwing an idea out.  I think you're going to end up with a gross
>hack no matter what you do.

The rn/nn I'n running have already been hacked to allow them to
work with Japanese so what's one more hack :-)

Dave

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Xref: sparky news.software.b:3744 news.software.nn:1734
From: wohler@hw1175.sap-ag.de (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nn
Subject: Re: PROBLEM posting to moderated AND unmoderated groups in one command
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:43:14 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG  Walldorf, Germany
Phone: +49 6227-341658  Home: +49 6221-163255
             <C0Jn3H.KMK@zoo.toronto.edu>
X-Mailer: MH [Version 6.7.2]

henry,

> The only way an article can be posted *once* to *both* a moderated group
> *and* an unmoderated group is via the moderated group's moderator.

  is it your belief that a user should know whether a group is
  moderated or not?  i don't think a user should.  therefore, the
  software should post the article immediately to those newsgroups
  that are not moderated and forward it to the moderators of the
  moderated groups.  it is not sufficient for the moderator to do the
  crossposting because it is possible that the moderator does not have
  access to newsgroups that the poster does, or the moderator might
  digestify the postings.

						--bw