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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: boarding versus travel?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:37:53 GMT

In article <1dc2l1INNfd8@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D  
Miller) writes:

> So, if your bird is tame and bonded to you, best take him/her along for
> the holidays.  If it is not, and can ge caged, go ahead and take it if
> you can't get a birdsitter.  And have no fear of birds not traveling well!

Wasn't there a Cockatoo motion sickness thread a few months back??

Though my birds travel just fine by car, neither is a cockatoo...

Orin

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From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware - Round II
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:27:15 GMT

In article <93033@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90) writes:
|> Well, okay, this opens up a whole new issue...
|> 
|> See here an excerpt from Gerard Fryer's response to my earlier 
|> message -
|> 
|> > Rather than throw the stuff out you should probably think of yourself
|> > first.  Aluminum is implicated in Alzheimers and iron in heart attacks
|> > and stroke, so it may be that non-stick cookware is actually the 
|> > healthiest for humans.
|> 
|> Does anyone know to what extent "modern" metal pots leach (is that the right
|> word?) material? I am not a material scientist (or a scientist of any sort),
|> but its my understanding that aluminum and iron amoung the most common 
|> metallic elements in the earth's crust.  Are pots considered to be likely
|> sources for metallic toxins in humans? I've read that lead poisoning from 
|> pots is implicated in the decline of the Roman empire, but aren't modern
|> manufacturing techniques beyond that sort of thing?        

This is a bit off the track for r.p.b. (or even sci.geo.geology).  You
really want a dietician.  I'm just a mere geophysicist so take this
quicky answer with the appropriate grain of salt: yes Al and Fe are
very abundant, but they are not found in the native (elemental) state
in nature nor as the simple alloys used in cookware.  I don't think
toxicity levels have been established and nobody has much idea about
long-term consequences.  I understand that the link between Alzheimers
and Al is still highly questionable (the bloke who first proposed it
saves a lot of money by buying aluminum cookware that others are scared
to touch).  Until a month or two ago it was generally believed that
cooking with iron skillets would guarantee that you never suffer iron
deficiency and was therefore a Good Thing.  Now there are doubts about
that and the suggestion that people with anaemia suffer fewer heart
attacks.  You never can trust these scientists...

Let me withdraw my earlier post: as far as you the human are concerned,
there are many better things to worry about than cookware's effects on
your health.  

But getting back to birds, if you use teflon cookware, keep your birds
away from the kitchen.

[I suggest we don't follow this thread further, at least not in r.p.b.]
-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
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From: slendt@unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt)
Subject: Re: Budgie "flap attack"
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:35:52 GMT

In article <BxIKG5.FDr@news.iastate.edu> whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant) writes:

>A friend of mine has three budgies, and they all have a strange behavior
>that we call a "flap attack", where they furiously flap their wings while
>hanging on to their perch. They seem very agitated and sometimes emit
>squawking noises at the same time. The whole episode lasts for maybe
>5 to 15 seconds, and then they seem perfectly normal. It happens fairly
>regularly, at least once a day for each of them, and usually they're
>inside their cage when it happens.

>We've been specualting that they're just exercising their wings, since
>they're clipped and don't get to fly (although they do try to fly
>sometimes when they're outside the cage). Either that or they all have
>a case of bird epilepsy :-)

>Does anybody know what this means? It must be common since all three
>birds do it regularly.
>-- 
>Kerry Whisnant                  High Energy Physics Group
>whisnant@iastate.edu            Department of Physics and Astronomy
>whisnant@alisuvax.bitnet        Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011

It's common among other birds too.  Our cockatoo does this "goof out"
attack, often just when we come home as if to express his outrage
that we left him alone during the day.

My guess would be that caged birds with clipped wings are more prone
to this sort of behavior.  Anyone else care to comment on this?

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From: lskinner@emr1.emr.ca (Lauren Skinner)
Subject: Naughty Budgies
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:40:30 GMT

I have four budgies: 2 male and 2 female, living happily and communally in
one cage.
Whenever I put gravel or charcoal into cups and hang them inside the
cage, the two little girls make a bee-line to them, and have a great old
time heaving all of the contents onto the floor of the cage.

They don't seem to consume much of it, and the guys don't seem to get any at
all, since the girls dump it as quickly as they can.

This behaviour strikes me as kind of compulsive, but they seem to enjoy
doing it.  Any ideas why the females do this and not the males?  I had one
other female several years ago who did this, too.  Any ideas if this activity
is an instinctive throw back to wild parakeet bahaviour? and why *they* would 
have done it in the first place?

Is there any harm, in the long run, to the digestive systems of my two males,
since they rarely get to consume any of the charcoal or gravel?  Once it's on
the cage's floor, all of the birds forget that it is there.  

Also, it is a tremendous waste.  Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
Lauren Skinner
From: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware - Round II
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:44:46 GMT
To: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)


Sorry to put you on the spot!! That definitely was not my intention. 

I have also heard these warnings about aluminum and iron, but, as is 
usually the case I guess, no real details. I was sort of hoping that 
since most of the people in this column were advising me to get rid of 
the pots, perhaps some of them had really researched the metals issue 
as well.   

You're right. This line doesn't need to go any further (I'm done
stepping on my tail for this week!!)

Regards
-jb

p.s. I hope this comes directly to you, this "mxrn" interface does
peculiar things every once in a while.
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: boarding versus travel?
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:10:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1dc2l1INNfd8
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Time for the travel tips for birdies subject!  (this should go in the
FAQ.)  Our experience is that birds travel very well indeed.  We've
moved 2x, with 2 birds and 4 respectively, all Fischer's lovebirds and
none tame.  They travelled in their cages (small travel cages) covered
so they would not be distracted by scenery.  The first move was from
NY to SC with a stop in PA, over Christmas--the cage cover was heavy
and I rushed the cage into the hotel each of 2 nights.  The 2nd move
was from SC to KS, with 4 birds in 2 cages (to prevent murder :-) in
high summer, temps >100F each of 3 days, no a/c.  The cage cover was just
a light table cloth and the kids just _loved_ it!  I was a melted
wreck when we got here, but the birds were totally unfazed.

My sister and her fiance travel with their handfed young African Grey,
btwn DC and Mass, up to NH and out to Cape Cod, frequently.  MAx travels
loose in the car mostly and is very good.  They have a collapsable travel
cage for him to live in while visiting, and he doesn't like that because
it's small, but he likes going in the car.

So, if your bird is tame and bonded to you, best take him/her along for
the holidays.  If it is not, and can ge caged, go ahead and take it if
you can't get a birdsitter.  And have no fear of birds not traveling well!

Ruth
From: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware - Round II
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Well, okay, this opens up a whole new issue...

See here an excerpt from Gerard Fryer's response to my earlier 
message -

> Rather than throw the stuff out you should probably think of yourself
> first.  Aluminum is implicated in Alzheimers and iron in heart attacks
> and stroke, so it may be that non-stick cookware is actually the 
> healthiest for humans.

Does anyone know to what extent "modern" metal pots leach (is that the right
word?) material? I am not a material scientist (or a scientist of any sort),
but its my understanding that aluminum and iron amoung the most common 
metallic elements in the earth's crust.  Are pots considered to be likely
sources for metallic toxins in humans? I've read that lead poisoning from 
pots is implicated in the decline of the Roman empire, but aren't modern
manufacturing techniques beyond that sort of thing?        
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: traveling with your bird.
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:59:46 GMT

tburgess@us.oracle.com (Tia Servantes-Burgess) writes:




>Hi,


>I think this question was raised before...so forgive me for asking again.

>I have a goffin cockatoo that has only traveled a few hours like when she
>goes to the vet.  She seems to be pretty happy...I have her in a small cat
>carrier and she holds onto the door and looks out and talks to us.

>But soon I will be moving and it will be a 2 to 3 day trip....I am not sure
>how to do this....her cage is too big to take out and put together when we
>make stops....

>Should I feed her at night when we stop and settle down...how often should I
>try to give her water....

You should feed her more often than once a day - you could probibly
give her stuff to munch on in the car that wouldn't make too much
of a mess. You can also provide "wet" fruit like grapes to cut down
the amout of water she needs. But I would still suggest stopping a few
times a day to let her eat and drink while the car's not moving.

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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: MACAWS: Mating Them
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:27:12 GMT

twollnik@fozzy.UUCP (Ted Wollnik) writes:

>A friend of mine, and myself are going to be the proud owners of
>two greenwing macaws.  We are going to push the breeder to give
>us birds of the opposite sex.

>I am told that macaws mate for life.  Is this true?? Next, question ...
>do any of you net people know of a good book about mating macaws?
>Is it easy to do, hard to do...what all is involved.

If these birds are comming from the same breeder you had better
check that they are not related to each other before breeding them.

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From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Budgie "flap attack"
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:37:23 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

I have 2 big, burly, healthy, uncut (wings, %^) ), male English
budgiregars. They rule the large, spacious flat I have --- I call
them my "motorcycle birds", since they really smoke --- never
missing a turn and never dropping their bikes! They're regular
TT racers.

Only once in the 2 years that I've had them have I seen either
one of them "flap" in the cage. I think the only reason he "flapped"
was because he was pissed because he wasn't flying about the
house. I let them out the first thing in the morning until I
leave the house, and then they're out all evening when I arrive
home. On weekends, it's all day. They have a very large cage, and
in a few weeks, I will begin constructing them an outside aviary.

I recommend allow these nomadic birds the wonderful freedom to
fly in some space --- they are very precise flyers, and when they
know their space, they WILL NOT fly into glass or windows.

Dave
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Birdie Beak Bonking
Keywords: bonk bonk bonk <hey cut that out!> bonk bonk bonk
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:27:44 GMT

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:

>folks,

>as i was sitting here at my computer desk (with chains around the
><ESC> key, btw), my yellowCollared macaw Angus decided to enact
>the old "let's see how impervious the world is to my beak" trick.
>he started bonking his beak against the food dish, the computer
>screen, the desk sides, etc., all along looking at me and chanting
>his war cry <hello!><hello!>.

>for a moment i thought he was yearning to return to his woodpecker
>heritage (well, it sounds plausible), but he hasn't really done
>this very often at all.  anyone else's birdie enjoy pretending the world
>is a nail and the beak a hammer?  :-)

My Grey does this sometimes as well. It looks painfull to me, but he
seems to enjoy it. I guess you have to be a bird to understand.

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Subject: Bird genetics (more Dec. BirdTalk) 
From: snella@icbr.ufl.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:08:17 -0500
Organization: ICBR

Hello,

	In the December issue of BirdTalk there is an article about 
breeding blue Quakers.  In it they talk about the results of some 
crosses and say that the following results are what would be expected.  
I don't understand why these are the expected results.

	Blue X Green = 100% Green/Blue

	Blue X Green/Blue = 75% Blue and 25% Green/Blue

	Green/Blue X Green/Blue = 50% Blue, 25% Green/Blue and 25% Green

Can someone with more experience in bird genetics explain this to me?


Thanks in advance,

Liz Snella
University of South Florida

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From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:29:05 GMT

>They are
>non-stick and completely inert.  I don't think they work as well as
>metal pans, especially for stir-frying, but they are a good compromise.

Note that metal pans are fine and safe; it is the teflon
and related materials which they are sometimes coated that
is the problem.  I have Calphalon, which is a hard-anodized
aluminium, is moderately non-stick, and takes very little
effort to clean.  There are a lot of things out there that
are "non-stick" because of the finishing of their surface,
rather than because of a coating (like teflon) that is 
applied to it.

Doug

P.S.  While cooking for my halloween party, I did indeed leave
a Calphalon WOK on hi without anything in it, got red hot on
the bottom, no fumes or problems; so yes, accidents DO happen,
and you should get any teflon pot or pan out of your house and
gone!  Don't just store it away; that just assures that it will
be a visiting friend or relative who kills your birds rather 
than you.
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From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:13:15 GMT
Subject: Rowdybush 'tiel Food - Any Good?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


Does anyone out there have an opinion, or has anyone read or heard if
"Rowdybush" 'tiel food is any good.  I had never seen the brand before
but my girlfriend gave me a sample to try on my 'tiel and he went for it
immediately.  I'd like to "convert" (seems like it will be no problem)
him to this food if it's good for him.         

Thanks in advance,

- Bill G
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: questions on getting a parrot
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:38:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov9.133854.17254
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


     I am thinking of buying a parrot, and would like some information
before I do (or don't do) it. In general, I would like to receive
information about any of the following concerns I have, or references
to books which address these issues:

1. I want a moderately large bird (larger than a budgie, but not as
large as some of those huge Macaws; something the size of an amazon
green, or maybe a little bigger than a cockateil (sp?)). I want a
pretty bird, which will talk, is intelligent, and will adapt well to
life indoors (i.e., won't bite everyone, won't mind spending nights in
a cage, etc.). Finally, I can't spend more than $200 or so. Is this
feasible? If so, what kinds of birds should I be looking into?
2. where should I be trying to buy these from? I assume that Mall
pet-shops are not a good idea. Should I be trying to get a baby? Does
the age and sex matter?
3. What kinds of things should I be worried about? I live in a
2-bedroom apartment now (with my wife), but will be moving into a
house in the near future. Anything that I need to know, that might
drive me nuts later?
4. is there anything that can be done (or is this not a problem) to
prevent the bird from pooping on everything in sight as it flies
around the house (when we take him out of the cage)? 
5. miscellanious: how long do the birds live? is it possible to take
one outside (with some sort of leash contraption perhaps)? how easy is
it to get them to talk? will they imitate the voice of the person who
teaches them or do they have their own voice? 

   If anyone knows the answers to any of these, or has the name of a
good book, please reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.

Mike Levin
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From: howardm@wm10.uucp (Howard Moftich)
Subject: Re: Budgie "flap attack"
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:38:46 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic, Waltham, MA

In article <slendt.66@unomaha.edu> slendt@unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt) writes:
>In article <BxIKG5.FDr@news.iastate.edu> whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant) writes:
>
>>We've been specualting that they're just exercising their wings, since
>>they're clipped and don't get to fly (although they do try to fly
>>sometimes when they're outside the cage). Either that or they all have
>>a case of bird epilepsy :-)
>
>>Does anybody know what this means? It must be common since all three
>>birds do it regularly.
>>-- 
>
>It's common among other birds too.  Our cockatoo does this "goof out"
>attack, often just when we come home as if to express his outrage
>that we left him alone during the day.
>
>My guess would be that caged birds with clipped wings are more prone
>to this sort of behavior.  Anyone else care to comment on this?
>

Our cockatoo (Goffin's) does this also but the possibility of epilepsy
or seizures are not to be taken casually.  Many times it comes from
extended consumption of the death diet which leaves the critter
nutritionally bankrupt.  

Just my $0.02.


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From: hanson@ucs.indiana.edu (Fred D. Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: boarding versus travel?
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:04:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucs.hanson.1.720986667
Organization: Indiana University

I will almost certainly visit one or more relatives over the upcoming
Holidays and I'm undecided as to whether to board my two moustache parakeets 
and cockatoo or just board the two moustache and take the cockatoo with me.
I have boarded the moustache before and since they have each other I think
this is best.  However, I can not decide if the cockatoo would be better off
boarded (at an avian vets) or taken along.  On the one hand, I think she
would benefit from the contact with additional people and probably enjoy the
holiday festivities.  But on the other hand the travel might be stressful.
We are talking 3 hrs each way for one trip and 7 hours each way for the 
second.  Although she may find being left at the vets with all strangers
and a different routine is also stressful.  Plus be very mad at me later:-)
I'd appreciate your pros, cons, and comments on boarding versus travel.

Thanks,
Fred                    hanson@ucs.indiana.edu
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