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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:29:48 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: When gods fail

>Interesting, this reminds me of my grandfather's attitude towards religion.
>Also, your theory probably holds for a fair bit of the country at the time.
>I have come across many people of that age holding similar views - mostly
>men, though, the women form almost the other extreme.

Well, maybe Konkan doesn't have special status re "atheism" (more like
anti-orthodoxy, actually). Interestingly, it's the old dudes who show
these desirable properties. The "next generation", people about my
uncle's age, strike me as steeped in the worst theistic mumbo-jumbo.
Good things skip a generation, I guess.

>My grandma's a good example - she reads all sorts of books, recites the
>appropriate prayers etc, despite being married to a non-believer for 30 some
>years.  As a child, I recall asking her how come her husband hadn't
>influenced her in the least.  Pat came her reply "I have to pray for him
>as well".  Should have expected that, huh.

Ha ha ha!

tushar
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wayward Pulpit
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>Maybe we should just start a biker gang.  Harley Electra-Glides.
>Leather jackets with the T-shirt logo.  Black leather jackboots.
>Judith, you wear just ONE earring, you put on the shades, and you
>become Leader of the Pack, followed by a buncha hairy guys with Ph.Ds.
>We can tell everyone you're the primatological answer to Camille
>Paglia :-).

Oooooo....I *like* it!!
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: The Gospel Truth
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: > Well, Gilbert, apart from your first paragraph, I agree with you totally....
: > Surprised?
: > Carolyn

: You mean the part about all the <boring crap> of the past few days?
: Or the part about ruth against the heathens?
: Or the part about everybody expecting a pronouncement from me?
: In any case, I am not surprised.  I am pleased as paunch.

More likely the bit about "I consider myself a Christian..."
(Carolyn is clearly a Witch :-) )

Modulo that bit, I agree with you too.
(I'm clearly an evil Satanic devil with a twinkle in his eye...)

G
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Christian bashing (part 2)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:22:36 GMT
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In a previous article, "Jim Thomas " (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet) says:

>Re "bashing," "bigotry," and discrimination: I'm not aware that
>anybody advocates against Christians, including Fundametalists,
>the following:
>
>1. Discrimination in employment or housing
>2. Teaching that it is "wrong" and "perverse"
>3. Engaging in violence against them
>4. Ridiculing them in public
>5. Advocating violence against them
>6. Reducing sentencing against victims solely because of
>   their identity
>7. Publicly castigating them as an evil that should be eradicated
>8. Legislating against them
>9. Denying them the full panoply of civil rights
Sounds like discrimination to me - so what's your point?
>
>If Ruth chooses to adduce scripture, as is often done, to justify the
>list, then she should not be surprised that the scriptures become a
That list can't be justified by *anything* Jim..  I have said it over and
over and over until my fingers are sore.  

>focal point for debate. Ruth continues to confuse criticism of the
><reasons in the scriptures> with criticism for her <reasons for
>believing in the scriptures> and thus equates criticisms of the logic
>that promotes bigotry with Christian bashing. Ruth is unwilling to
>support the rights of others that she is taught are "evil," yet she

Jim, you're repeating yourself.  It's still not true, and never will be.

>wants her own rights respected.  She accuses those who criticize her
>position as "violent" while proudly espousing a position that promotes
>very real violence.  She just doesn't get it.
I don't get falsehood, Jim.  Never did.  I do not understand hate, or
organized violence, or anything the "position" you claim I identify with
stands for.  That claim, by the way, is still patently false.  

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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> the failed plot to bomb Parliament in...what year? Steve Carlson
> even posted the rest of the poem...                ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^

You can flame me, you can defame me, you can blame me, you can
praise me, but please spell my name correctly.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted takc
From: DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078)
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Subject: HELLO!
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:31:03 GMT
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Change subject to:  SEX, SEX, SEX and more SEX

Sorry, this mailer does not allow me to change subject (:-() and I wanted
to get your attention.  Are you going to cure us of all our wrong doings?
Reminds me of Graham a year ago telling us what we were doing wrong -- but
we converted him :-)  Jim, you will have little success in changing our
bad habits but you might find this is a pretty good group.  Anyway, welcome..
even if you do have an ego problem and more sylables in your last name that
I have in my entire name.

Again, welcome,

Peacefully,  Don Moore

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, Graham Toal wrote:

> You wouldn't have noted what your errors were by any chance?  I'd be
> really interested to hear them.
>
The closet I can remember, the last chalk-o I made involved the
transpostion of an "l" and an "s"; I can't remember the exact word I was
writing, though.  I'll pay more attention next time - if there is a next
time - and will let you know.
Doris
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From:         Rebecca S Altes <rsast11+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anne Rice

     oh, come on! you can't be serious

     made it through "interview..." but not "vampire lestat"?

     that's not possible

     "interview..." was on the whole a lot drier and harder to get through
     than all three of the succeeding works.

     but none of this makes any difference in the greater scheme of life.

                                                         bekka
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Posted on 11 Nov 1992 at 15:14:56 by James R Llewellyn
>Peace, Love, and Perot in '96,

Oh, puke!

Karen
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: Toal, this self-centeredness is getting out of hand. It's time to expose
: you to the hard facts of life.

: 1 No one remembers anyone's little jokes. Ergo, they don't remember
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:   yours. A fortiori, they don't remember something that isn't even
:   funny. ~~~~~~~~~~

: 4 Trying to assign a fixed lame meaning to phrases such as "doing a Ken"
:   is sphexishness of the worst sort.
       ++++++++++++

: 5 Words like "kenturn" are nowadays generated by trivial algorithms. Ergo
                ^^^^^^^ Ah! You *did* remember.  I'm flattered. Must have been
                         a *big* joke.
:   the same feat done worse by a human is not considered memorable.

Still, the next time someone accuses me of being a Wasp, blue snow will fall.
                                                   ++++  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(Not something one could accuse Tushar of)

G
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The choice of M&Ms is strictly based upon the personality of the
chooser. In this case, the choice is obvious.
Peace, Love, and Flight of a Dove,
Jim
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>   I meant to check on Lynch's biography, but isn't Evelyn right?
>   Didn't Lynch go to art school in Philadelphia, and fashion the
>   industrial-hell setting of -Eraserhead- from his experience of
>   the underside of the city?

According to The Encyclopedia of Film by James Monaco et al. (Perigee,
1991), Lynch was educated at the Corcoran School of Art in
Washington; the Boston Museum School; the Philadelphia Academy of
Fine Arts; and the Center for Advanced Film Studies in Los Angeles.
Doesn't say whether Philly was the inspiration for Eraserhead.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:55:28 CST
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Subject:      Re: subscription

>      my question is simply why he didn't just subscribe?
>      i wish i'd subscribed earlier.  now i'm just reading
>      nine thousand kinda interesting back messages and making
>      random replies to confuse people.
>
>      speaking of which, i miss my dog.  if any one on here is
>      in d.c., go to adams morgan, the bottom half of rock creek
>      park, and if it's the right time of day, you'll probably
>      see my dog and all of the ones i walk.  tell 'em bekka
>      said hi

Bekka, you speak a context-free language. But I admit that the
trick of getting directly to the point, and several unrelated
ones, is, if startling, at least refreshing.

tushar
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU wrote:
>>[re: cronings]
> I don't know, but I want one!!!!   (When it's time.)  Are you allowed to
> be a crone w/out having been a mother?

Yes, of course.  All you have to do is menstruate... or rather, stop
menstruating.

I think it's a great idea to have these ceremonies; who says that the next
rite of passage you get after marriage is your funeral?

Also, it returns old age to the place of honor it should hold in our
society instead of the one it holds now.

> Karen

--Susan
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Date: 11 Nov 92 03:29:20 GMT
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Ha! There's a coincidence - i bought that one on video last week.  I want
to get the Klaus Kinski one next to compare them.

G (Watching Mephisto tonight)
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:25:12 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Danger
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:00:01 GMT, "(Rita Marie Rouvalis)" <rita@EFF.ORG> wrote:
> collectively imagine.  A flamewar on emacs vs. vi or the pc vs. mac is
> about all we need to finally cross the line from being "something
> special  oooh baby" to just another Usenet group.  As my letter from

Pah!  Everyone knows Gosling's Emacs is The One True Emacs!

G (who thought 'Mark of the Unicorn's emacs was the start of a slippery
slope...)
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:17:01 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: California makes history!

>> I had my reservations about asking Graham what a whole country of
>> fairly normal people sees the results.
>
>What did you think of it, Tushar? You still qualify as "international."
>
>-abh


I rejoice. No very convincing reasons to give. I am afraid my opinion
is coloured by the "evil empire" image of Reagan and Bush which is far
more prevalent in the rest of the world than Americans think. Things
which loom large in our minds are Super 301, Union Carbide, dumping of
inferior goods in third world markets, picking fights or meddling in
those of other people etc. These get identified with the Reagan admin-
istration. Bush is seen as a lamo continuing the same thing.

Perot is looked upon as a rather superficial character better at buffoonry
than anything else.

My mother is witness to the fact that I predicted a comfortable Clinton
victory. She said it was because I only felt in a vague way that Bush was
"dangerous". It's true that Clinton looked the most harmless. Besides, he
is pro-choice.

But I firmly believe that his hairstyle is dorky and his voice and accent
are disconcertingly vague.

tushar
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:45:12 GMT, "(Ruth M. Hanschka)"
 <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU> wrote:
> Blomberg, yes, it was a poor word choice, made under duress - not to mention
> under siege.  There, I said it.  I never claimed to be perfect, just
> forgiven.:-) [to quote an old t-shirt]

It really isn't good enough you know.  You're ordered by God in direct
speech not to *try* to be perfect, but to *be* perfect.  It's a moral
absolute.  Just like men are not to lie with men - just *trying* isn't
good enough, remember.  Doing it is sinful.  From what I read below,
not being perfect is equally sinful.

Deu 18:13
 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

Mat 5:48
 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
 perfect.

(This isn't a continuation of the flame war.  I did say I would stop.
It's just that I'm worried for Ruth's soul and I want to put her
back on the path of righteousness.)

G
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From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: HELLO!

This letter is in responce to Anne, but I'm sure it will be of interest
to all. I must extend my sincerest gratitude for the etiquette lesson
and will try to do better in the future. In return, I will answer all
questions as thouroughly as I feel.
1. The +: I don't know why it is there. It was there when I came and
will probably be there when I am gone. I am a relative neophyte insofar
as computer communication, so an explanation is beyond me. That does,
however form a fluid segway to point two.
2. "Fresh Meat": I am not exactly sure what is meant by that term. There
was no outstanding punctuation, so I'll discount any sexual reference.
In my slightly less than quarter century, I have become seasoned,
tenderized, and spoiled, so "fresh" seems ludicrous.
I do, however, have one question. How does one go about importing
another letter into mine. I've seen it done, and wish to learn the skill
to avoid ambiguity.
Peace, Love, and Perot in '96,
Jim
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 9 Nov 92 12:04:21
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In-reply-to: Akio Tanaka's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:42:00 JST

Akio,

FEI was my acronym for "For Everybody's Information"...akin to FYI.

//anne//
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From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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>From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
>
[quoting Natalie]
>>
>> This return to the discussion of Presidents and Presidents-elect reminds
>> me of something I had meant to ask or look up.  I read that Clinton will
>> be the 3rd youngest President  in U.S. history.  JFK was the youngest,
>> wasn't he?  That's not the question.  I threw in the tag question because
>> I never trust my memory anymore.  The question I wanted to ask is who was
>> the other President younger than Clinton.
>>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt?

Actually, you're both right in a sense.  Theodore Roosevelt was the
youngest man ever to become President.  That was upon the death of
William McKinley in 1901, when TR was a mere 42 years and some months
old.  John Kennedy was the youngest man ever *elected* President, but
he was over 43 when he was sworn in.  William Clinton, assuming he
makes it to his Inauguration, will be the third youngest President,
and the second youngest man elected to the office.

Frank
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Subject: Re: Danger

>I see danger to this list and to this group of friends we call "words-l."

Evelyn, a lot of people have probably already replied to this, but I'll
still say it. There is no danger to the list whatsoever.

tushar
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Subject:      Peeking out from under the manhole cover

Is it safe to come out now?

-K

-Mka
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: So, who was taken up?
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On Thu, 29 Oct 1992 17:01:30 EST Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>	I haven't seen any e-mail from Dan since yesterday.  Think
>he was among the 144,000?
>
   Yes, I was.  However, when I got there the results were mixed.  I passed
the writtens but failed the orals....unfortunately a bit of affectionate
slang misfired.....I called the leader a butthead.....and so they
sent me back, like an undersized fish....but at least I didn't swallow
the hook.

   What I don't know, is whether another one was taken in my place to
keep the 144,000 quota, or whether they had planned/known that there
would be dropouts and only had clouds for 100k anyway.

dan the reject
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The youngest was indeed TR, who was 42 when he became president upon McKinley's
untimely demise. JFK was 43, and was the youngest elected.

    I believe his nickname was always Teddy, but wasn't it in Mississippi
that he saved the bear cub or whatever it was which gave rise to "Teddy Bear?"

            b."I knew all this in 2nd grade, why can't I remember it now?"c.
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              7 Nov 1992 08:29:00 HST from <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:29:00 HST Michael E. Macmillan said:
>Yeah, and I'm decidedly with you on this one.  With so much mail
>coming from this list alone, I don't feel I have the time to
>struggle to find the beginning of the response, so I move on

  I agree with you.  Ruth's missives are particularly difficult to read.
Come on, beloved Ruth....before Daniel Judges Ruth.....

>never really understood Dan's spirited defense of the practice last
>time this came up because it seems so easy to insert one extra

   Dan's point then was his retarded system.  Since this CMS beast
rewrites the entire screen every time a line is added, whether balank
or filled with text, it was deadly at 2400.  Now I'm net connected
at work, can type ahead, and almost as fast at 14.4k from home.
So I've mended my ways.

>keystroke to make that blank line.  Seems a small price to pay for
>the added readability.  Now, are we about to cycle back to headless
>chickens again?

Sure.
   Why'd the headless chicken cross the road?

dan
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:37:42 GMT, "(Jim Thomas)" <jthomas@NETSYS.COM> wrote:
> My point, beneath the stridency, was that some groups and *personal*
> choices are condemned and must be confronted daily. You may not be the

Yes.  Rita berated me for getting into what she considers an old
argument.  But it isn't something you should fight once and then
give up, saying 'I've done my bit'.  Once complacency sets in you
get the situation like we currently have, where the pols in Colorado
sneak through a reasonable-ish 'no positive discrimination' bill
first, then when that works, gradually add more and more negative
discrimination to it.  They planned their campaign more effectively
than the bigots in Oregon who went straight for the jugular and
were rejected.

G
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