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From: pennats@ptolemy.CS.ORST.EDU (Shankar Pennathur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:03:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug18.210322.11578
Reply-To: pennats@tesla.cs.orst.edu (Shankar Pennathur)
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis


In article <9208182044.AA14233@ha06.eng.ua.edu> bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu 
(Balaji Kannan) writes:
>
>
>In an earlier article I wrote:
>
>>  [******' crap [daily dose] deleted]
>
>    I am sorry folks. I am sure the uncensored appearence of c*** has
>    offended "some" puritan souls on the net. But then, I was faced
>    with a difficult choice of economic usage of asterisks with max
>    effect. Since this newsgroup is about offending as small a minority
>    as one can manage to,I thought I'd go ahead and offend; then apologise.
>    [Some decorum there!]
>    I have no regrets about the choice I made. Caught between ******
>    and cr**, I had to settle for ****** to be less offensive, you see.
>    You all know that. Anyway, I thought I'd do my bit.
>
>    BK

Dont even bother apologizing BK. When the original poster did not even
display an iota of sensitivity to the people he offends by writing such
crap, I think your posting was well within limits, in comparison.

Ofcourse the usual disciplining postings from SundaraPandian and Krishna Raj
will follow... For that has been the norm in this newsgroup so far...


Shankar.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Subject: Re: What a Shame !
ReplyTo: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
NntpPostingHost: mecad.uta.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:28:20 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Bytes: 706

In article <l95taeINNsg6@skat.usc.edu> sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan  
Ramachandran) writes:
> 
> Did I find any answers here ? You bet. If at all Tamils are disliked in the 
> rest of India, it is only because of a handful of bigots with parochial 
> viewpoints such as the ones here who believe that they own SCT. 
> 
I agree with you on your views. I thought I did a good by voting YES.
But turned out that a bunch of _bigots_ have taken over. It is the
duty of people like us to get rid of these nasty things that are going
around.



S. N. Muthukrishnan                    muthu@mecad.uta.edu (NeXT mail)
Dept. of Mech. Engg., UT, Arlington    muthu@fem.uta.edu   (NeXT mail)
Arlington, TX  76019
From: fca00@chennai.ccc.amdahl.com (A. Francis Chandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Aaaaa....Rambam :- It's kadi time
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:39:26 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <2A952A6C.22967@orion.oac.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.171316.6640@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu) writes:
>>
>>That reminds of a day in school, when my tamil teacher, having
>>teaught the grammer for veNpa, asked the guys to come to
>>school the next day, with a veNpa of their own. One guy
>>wrote the following,
>>
>>	ella viLakkum viLakkalla; sAntoRku
>>	maNNeNNai viLakke viLakku.
>>
>>Of course, he got a few canings for not complying with
>>the grammer rules, is a different story.
>>
>>Bye,
>>Babu
>
>	one more 'kadi' kuRaL. When the schools are reopened after summer
>	vacation, the seniors would sell the old text books for lesser price
>	(the price depends on how many pages are still left in the book) to
>	the juniors, and the kuRaL for this in our school was,
>
>	kaRka kacadaRa kaRpavai kaRRapin
>	viRka paadhi vilaikku.


    this is from the mimicry guys from presidency college. here vaariyaar is 
    giving cricket commentary.

    sixer adithu vAzhvAre vAzhvAr 
    mattravar single-adithu sAvAr.

  
>
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu

                                               -francis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: KANCH ACHARYA - SATI ETC.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:34:47 GMT

In article <BtAM60.48s@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>In article <19794@plains.NoDak.edu> ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
>>
>>
>>	Now My Request to Mr.Meenan :
>>
>>		Eventhough I have read Deivathin Kural I don't
>>		remember each and every page of it. Can you
>>		please quote the Volume, Page where Acharya
>>		has supported SATI and ANIMAL SACRIFICE. I
>>		am of the opinion that Acharya would have
>>		never supported SATI. Please give us the
>>		exact refernece. If you can not tell immediately
>>		please tell me when it will be possible for you
>>		to give the exact reference. Who ever supports
>>		SATI is a BARBARIAN. No matter HOW Great He is
>>		otherwise. But as you have said "BRAIN DEAD" etc
>>		please give me the volume and page number. If
>>		you don't have the proof atleast accept it.
>>
>>		I have very high respect for Sri.Chandrasekara
>>		Saraswathi Swamigal so far. If you can prove
>>		that he has supported SATI, I will definitely
>>		change my opinion about him.
>>
>>		Expecting a reply just with page number etc.
>>		Don't say he said that here, there etc.
>>
>>
>>PK
>
>
>I read the book 'theyvaththin kural' sometimes last year, borrowing it
>from the Toronto Temple Library.  I think there are 4 volumes, of which 
>I read only one.  This book was recommended by a friend  who took me to
>this library.
>
>From what I remember, I think I took out the Vol. 1.  The language was
>a mixture of Tamil generously sprinkled with English and Sanskrit 
>words.  I stopped reading further, when I read the fact that 
                                                    ^^^^
>widows burned on the husband's pyre go to the abode of husband/heaven/etc
>and the fact that the animal sacrificed also reach heavn.  I am sorry
         ^^^^
>I am unable to give you exact page numbers off-hand.  However, I will
>try and furnish you with further information soon.
>
>Please bear with me.
>
>Meenan Vishnu

  One would get an impression that you are supporting Sati
 and animal sacrifice if you say that you read the FACTS
 `Widows burned with their husbands go to heaven' and
 `Animals sacrificed in the yagas go to heaven'. You should
 have used the word `saying' instead which means that you
 read the sayings of Kaanchi Sankaracharya supporting sati
 and animal sacrifice in yagas. As it stands, your posting
 is a contradiction to your earlier posting criticizing these
 two sayings of Kaanchi Aacharya as `crap'.
                                                  S.Pandian.
                                          sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: raj@utkvx4.utk.edu (S. KANAKA RAJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: I HATE TAMILS (2)
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:21:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.205307.3598@news.uiowa.edu>,
rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada) writes...

>While imposition of Hindi is unnecessary, obstinately refusing to open up
>to a rich language, like most tamilians I know do, will definitely be a loss
>for them.

Thamizh also is a rich language with a lot of literature, puranas, and other
literary works. Why don't others learn it? Bees come from far off places to
taste the honey in the flowers of a pond. Does anybody force those bees? Every
one has HIS own brain; if you say that the ideas that come from YOUR brain are
superior, then it is your problem and not the other person's problem.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Mine is great and yours too; let us stop right there.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: Prolific posters of the past fortnight...
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.003008.6647@ennews.eas.asu.edu>  
sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:
> If you thought this posting lists the 'prolific posters' of SCI,
> sorry. This is for soc.culture.tamil. The one for SCI is coming your
> way this thursday. :-) 
> 
> Inspite of an opinion against posting this on SCT, I am posting this.
> After all it doesn't incite any flames does it?
> 
   Yes, there was such an opinion, voiced by me. The posting does neither 
incite flames nor get flowers.I don't understand the real purpose of the list 
of prolific posters. If it improves the quality of the newsgroup, that's fine.
I feel the attempt will actually backfire and the quality will deteriorate.

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: vnesiah@usc.edu (Deep Third Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Thamil Names
Date: 14 Aug 1992 09:01:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thamil Names<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This list is a compilation of names that were sent to me by CIRCLE members
in response to a request that I made for original Thamil Names.  The various
responses that I received included some names that were borrowed from other
cultures and Thamilized.  I have included them all.  I would like to thank
everybody who responded to my request.
							- Vaseeharan
*NOTE:

If you have no interest in reading any further then please quit now.  
If you do want to read further, then press the <space> bar now!



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thamil Names<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

GIRLS' NAMES:
~~~~~~~~~~~
vaseehari
nesamalar
anbarasi
mohanaa
nila
selvanila
mathivathani
kalaamathi
kalaichelvi
inthumathi
yaazhini
iniyaazh
amirthini
kanimozhi
thamizharasi
thamizhselvi
subananthi
nitharsini
Thangammah
Ponnammah 
Chinnakili
Chellakilli
Poo
Poovathy (Poopathy)
Chellam, Chellammah
Kunju
Kutti, Archikutti
Kili
Karuppammah
Kandukutti
Mahil
Mani (Imp:If you mean bell, its Tamil but if you mean Jewel, then its Sanskrit)
Annam 
Annammah
Kannammah 
Alahi
Pon (not Ponnammah)
Mullai
Kurinchi
Thamil
Malar
Charasu (our generations's version Saras)
Letchumi (our generations's version Lakshmi)
Thusi (our generations's version Dushy)
Kenetha or Keeththai (our generations's version Geeta)
Kayathiri (our generations's version Gayatri)
Kosalai (our generations's version Kaushala)
Thaiyalnahyahi
Kahmahchi
Chivahami
Chundari
Kirupai
Arul
Pooranam
Samathanam
Inpam
Paykiam.
Vaasuhi  (Valluvan's wife, model of Tamil chaste woman)
Menahai  (Kausihan's enchantress)
Gnaanampihai (Siva's wife)
Visalaakshi ( ??? )
Hamsathvahini (Goddess of Learning)
Sunthari  (Another name for Siva's wife ?)
rosy
rosamma
pathima
jasintha


===========================================================================

BOYS NAMES:
~~~~~~~~~~~

guNaalan
nesan
anabarasan
chelvam
Inbachelvan
aananthan
santhOsam
suntharan
azhahan
sorooban
thamizharasan
selvin
thivviyan
malarvEnthan
kalaichelvan
kalaaparan
tharmanjalan
amiratharajan
mathiyoohan
vihadan
Thevanesan
lankanesan
kumanan
Uthayanan
Mayavan
Mathavan
mayooran
Kumbaharanan ;->
iRaikumaaran
iruthayarajan
Valluvan  (Tamil Lawgiver)
Nakkeeran (Tamil Poet)
Kausihan (birth name of the Sage Vishwamiththirar)
Vasiddan  (Aryan Sage)
Rathinajeevan
Ahaththiyan (Aryan/Tamil Sage)
Karikaalan  (Tamil King)
Ahilan  (???)
Anpazahan  (????)
Viyaasan   (Aryan Sage who compiled Vedas)
Prabhaharan 
Velluppilai
Vaseeharan
Kanther
Subramaniam
Sithamparapillai
soosai
anthony
yoseppu
yovan
yesuthasan
mariyathasan
yesurasa
palaharasa
kurukularasa
sempathirisiyar
sepasthiyaan
semiyon
manuvelpillai
sebasthiyampillai
suvampillai
anthonippillai
pillippupillai
imanuvel
manuvel
samuvel
savarimuththu
anthonymuththu
passkaralingam (and other ...lingams) :-)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: surendra@endeavour.rutgers.edu (Arun Surendran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Reservation, Brahmins and Kanchi Aacharya - II
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:25:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



	(Continuing the posting on 'Reservation, Brahmins and Kanchi
	aacharya ..')


	Finally coming to the issue of the Kanchi aacharya .... 
	'deivathin Kural' was written by Ra. Ganapathy compiled from
	the speeches given by Chandasekara Saraswathi. I think it a
	great work ... I can see that people can disagree with some
	points, but I can't see how one can ognore the wealth of GOOD
	things that have been said in it ..... Please do read all that
	Chandrasekara Sarawathi has said (not Jayendra Saraswathi) ...
	I am SURE he has NEVER supported SAti and animal sacrifice.
	He is versatile in 17 languages and is very well read (for those
	who insit on western literature : by 13 he was an expert on 
	Shakespeare).... there is a lot to learn about discipline from	
	him. And he never practised casteism or untouchability. The mutt
	is open for everyone, including non-Hindus.

	One final word : In Ramayana, when portraying Rama as a 'perfect
	human' Valmiki deliberately showed him making errors. secretly
	killing Vali is one and banishing Sita is another ... It was
	merely to portray that if born as a man, even God (whoever that
	might be) cannot be free of duality i.e. your actions HAVE to
	be interpreted as good or bad. What is good, we imbibe .....
	that I think is the goal of Ramayana.

	AC Suren.
From: lkumar@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Silk Smitha (Was: Re: EVR - Part II (Atheism))
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:43:36 EDT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <9098811.A313@netman.nms>, rk@nms.hls.com (S Ramakrishnan) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.113948.13817@umiami.ir.miami.edu> lkumar@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>   ...
>   >		* Can Silk Smitha or Anuradha also get same proximity
>   >		  to Kanchi Mutt ... as Miss Jaya ....
> 
> Actually I have followed with interest the career of Silk Smitha.
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Not only you ...
	Even Indira Gandhi was curious then ....
	:-))

> She seems to have vanished into oblivion after such remarkable 
> performances as in "Alaigal Oyvathillai" and "Moonram Pirai". 
> Is she at all still active as an actress ? What's she upto now ?
> 
	Time is never up !
	Just like Jaya, one day she might enter the active politics ...
	To attract the attention of everyone (including Religious heads) ..

> Following her, an array of Grade B actresses entered the film industry,
> obviously emulating her style:
> 
>     Cotton Kamala,
>     Rayon Revathi,
>     Nylex Nalini,
>     Polyester Parimala,
>     Shiffon Sheila,
>     Rexin Radha  and
>     Khadder Kala.
> 
	Looks like a good mapping between fabric->filmstar !!

> I first read a brief report on them in Kumudam. These actresses would 
> figure in movies designed to test the moral fabric (pun unintended) of 
> the society. Does anyone have any more info on these film personalities ?
> 
> Thanx.
> 
>   >Laxman
> 
> ---
> S Ramakrishnan, Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca

That's fun good way to get along with serious discussion :-)
I like it.

-- Laxman
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From: rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please do not respond to the article 'Periyar Temple'
Date: 17 Aug 1992 15:10:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Who is this guy, Mr.M.P.Krishna Raj to dictate as to what article to
respond and what not to respond?It is left to me as to which article i
will read and respond and which i will not.So dont act like a
moderator of the newsgroup.Just because you were involved in the
formation of the newsgroup does not give you the right to dictate or
even request as to what articles to read and what not to read?if you
or Mr.Pandian and your other close friends have objection to such nice
articles like periyar's temple then mail you rebuttals to the
newsgroup.Dont say"I request you not to read such mails, oter
newsgroups have ignored him etc." 

	let the people decide what to read and what not to read.
ram

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: What went wrong?
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.204219.10610@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.223025.18975@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu  
(Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug21.180752.5844@ms.uky.edu> aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu)  
> >[stuff deleted]
> >>  (You not included Mr Venkat  :-))
> >
> >  Thanks for not including me, Arasu.
> 
> I think Arasu was talking about Sridhar.

 Oops.I'm sorry for the goof. Thanks Sthan.
It's my mistake to think there is only one
Venkat in the net.

Cheers,
Venkat (One of hundreds of Venkat)
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From: IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T.C.A.Venkatesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Reservation for temple priests
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:37:25 GMT
 <1992Aug18.191717.19110@engage.pko.dec.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Aug18.125338.17216@ms.uky.edu>, aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu)
writes...
>>       In reply to RT's post:
>>       From your posts I gather you are miffed at brahmins being
>>       affected by reservations. Fact is previously 96% of the
>>       population was complaining about being left out. Today
>>       every body is.
>>       In my class of 40 there were 5 brahmin students (I studied
>>       in govt engg college). So 4% of the population still enjoyed
>>       much more than 4% of the seats. So you talk as if brahmins
>>       are completely excluded. That is bulls**t!
>
      This is an invalid argument, unless accompanied by the following
      statistics: the real question is, what's the percentage of the
      brahmins that get in wrt the number that apply. For eg., if a
      100 brahmins and 100 others had applied for the seats, then your
      argument falls apart. This without accounting for merit. Meanwhile,
      if someone shows that less than 4% of all businessmen are brahmins,
      would you then fight for reservations in allocations of funds etc.
      from the govt. for brahmins? A 1-to-1 correspondence in population
      vs. admissions is entirely absurd.

>>       You are the ones who say reservation is unethical. So it is
>>       your responsibility to practice what you preach.
>>       Marriamman temple priests are not priests. They are caretakers.
>>       They usally are volunteers from local villages who have some
>>       other full time jobs. They do not sing any praises of God.
>>       They have no money or power. And they do not have fat tummies.
>>       -arasu
>>

      Now this is getting too far. Are you implying that priests have
      to be only part-timers? And I thought it was the duty of a priest
      to praise God. Or may be you want athiest priests next. And what's
      fat tummies got to do with this - any statistic to show that only
      the rich and powerful have big bellies? Please explain.


      I have been following some of the arguments on these issues with
      interest. They started off well, but are degenerating fast into
      stupidity. By the way, please do not assume I am a brahmin or a
      brahmin supporter. I may be, but don't assume it :-).


      Hoping for a liitle more sensitivity and respect in this group,

      Venky.


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From: nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: temple priethood
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:36:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

Mr. Arasu writes,

>   The reservation of temple priests post is NOT defensible.
>        You are trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes without
>        batting an eyelid! What has only Christians being allowed
>        to be Fathers and only Muslims being allowed to be Mullahs
>        got to do with only Brahmins being allowed to be Hindu Priests?



Nobody is defending anything. I just tried to explain the Supreme
Court's decision. If you look at it with a sense of justice, you can understand.
If you just want to crib you can always crib.

The logic behind the Supreme Court decision is,
	temples belong to the community that historically owned them, just
	as churches and mosques are. The right to administer that temple is 
	given to the group associated with it.

Now, let's say I belive that priesthood of any religion should go to
anybody who is qualified. Will you agree? 

I'm not saying that the priesthood should  be go by inheritance alone.
I personally believe that  inheritance of any kind should not be there -
including the inheritance of wealth. But, the present set up allows it.
Modification of the system should be done in a democratic way.

Raju
raju@spock.usc.edu





Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A Request to International Olympic Committe
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:20:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


India was exploited by western nations for too long. So we can not compete with
western nations in Olympics on equal basis. So we request you to reserve 30% of
gold medals, 40% of silver medels and 50% of bronze medals to Indians like the
reservation system in India. 

We request you to reserve this till India can compete freely and fairly (or
till there are no reservations in India). This will also save a lot of money
for our poor country. You just send the medals once in 4 years and we will
collect it in New Delhi so no one need to go to the olympic events.

Note : This is a joke. I am under-lining because some periyar-worshippers and
you-know-what bashers may take this seriously and pettition the olympic
committee. 

RT