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From: cooling@cssmtf.ccs.csus.edu (Mike Cooling)
Subject: Re: IBM BookManager and CD Kits
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:17:32 GMT

Bill writes:
> I think you should review announcement 292-450 on IBM Online Book
> Collection Kits.  As I understand the announcement when you order a
> host product with documentation in a collection kit you can get a copy
> of the CD with that kit for no cost.  The CD has copies of both
> Library Read/DOS and Read/2 included (the "Library" versions only
> allow you to read IBM books, but that appears to be what you're
> requesting).  Unless I misunderstand this announcement completely, it
> just doesn't make sense to add Read/DOS or Read/2 to the HESC.

I was aware of this, but it poses 2 problems: 1) the readers that come with
the kits are scaled down versions that don't allow full functionality (no
electronic searches for one thing); 2) in my situation, I get all MVS
products thru my Chancellors Office, so they order CBIPOs, build the
systems, and distribute them to about 8 of us campuses; therefore they would
get any CD orders that would come with the product. But all 8 of us are have
at least 2 complete manual sets with SLSS.

Thanks for trying anyway Bill.



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Mike Cooling                                    Internet: cooling@csus.edu
Manager, Operating Systems & Network Support
California State University, Sacramento
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:49:00 EDT
From:         Chuck Sechler <TS0258@OHSTMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: DFDSM under MVS

I misread a request for DFDSM, as though it had been put on HESC. It is
product 5648-020, Distributed Storage Manager, not to be confused with
System Managed Storage. It was available July 24. I only wish it were on
the HESC.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:52:47 EDT
From:         Fred Dwyer <FDDWYER@RHQVM21.VNET.IBM.COM>
Comments: To: IBM-HESC%PSUORVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu

>From:         Mike Cooling <cooling@CSSMTF.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
>Subject:      IBM BookManager and CD Kits
>
>I would be interested in knowing what chance there is on getting the
>BookManager Read/DOS for PC/DOS software on the consortium (5601-453). I
>realize the VM based product is available, but this is expensive in terms of
>DASD, and if your system is down, it poses a real problem. The ideal
>solution is to put CD-Roms on a workstation or file server for the entire
>department.
>
>Also, since CDs save IBM enormous amounts of money in printing costs and
>shipping charges, why not have all documentation (VM, AIX, MVS, etc...) on
>the HESC. Everyone would benefit.
>
>If you think this is possible Fred, what kind of timeline might we be
>looking at?
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The SHARE University Project is currently reviewing a requirements
statement dealing with documentation availability under HESC.  I expect
that BookManager will be a prominent part of that requirement.  In the
meantime I'll place your request in the items-for-review for the next
general HESC update.  I am targeting a March '93 announcement date for
that.
Concerning your question, "what are the possibilities?" I don't see
any major negatives, but that's what our announcment review process is
designed to ferret out, so only time will tell.
                               Fred Dwyer
                               IBM/ACIS
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:18:39 EST
From:         Jack Liu <SURU@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Subject:      OSI product available in HESC ?

Dear Netter,

    Is the OSI program product for VM, OSI/CS and OSI/FS, available
in HESC? Can it now support IEEE 802 LAN through 8232 or 3172?
Please share any information about it with me. I'll very much
appreciate.

Regards,  --Liu
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:09:27 EDT
From:         John Bevis <JHB@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: IBM BookManager and CD Kits
              27 Aug 1992 16:10:44 GMT from <cooling@CSSMTF.CCS.CSUS.EDU>

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:10:44 GMT Mike Cooling said:
>I would be interested in knowing what chance there is on getting the
>BookManager Read/DOS for PC/DOS software on the consortium (5601-453). I
>realize the VM based product is available, but this is expensive in terms of
>DASD, and if your system is down, it poses a real problem. The ideal
>solution is to put CD-Roms on a workstation or file server for the entire
>department.
>
>Also, since CDs save IBM enormous amounts of money in printing costs and
>shipping charges, why not have all documentation (VM, AIX, MVS, etc...) on
>the HESC. Everyone would benefit.
>
>If you think this is possible Fred, what kind of timeline might we be
>looking at?
>
>
>--
>____________________________________________________________________________
>Mike Cooling                                    Internet: cooling@csus.edu
>Manager, Operating Systems & Network Support
>California State University, Sacramento

Mike -

I think you should review announcement 292-450 on IBM Online Book
Collection Kits.  As I understand the announcement when you order a
host product with documentation in a collection kit you can get a copy
of the CD with that kit for no cost.  The CD has copies of both
Library Read/DOS and Read/2 included (the "Library" versions only
allow you to read IBM books, but that appears to be what you're
requesting).  Unless I misunderstand this announcement completely, it
just doesn't make sense to add Read/DOS or Read/2 to the HESC.
From: cooling@cssmtf.ccs.csus.edu (Mike Cooling)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-hesc
Subject: IBM BookManager and CD Kits
Summary: CDs are cheaper, so All should be on HESC
Keywords: BookManager, CD-ROM
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:10:44 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

I would be interested in knowing what chance there is on getting the
BookManager Read/DOS for PC/DOS software on the consortium (5601-453). I
realize the VM based product is available, but this is expensive in terms of
DASD, and if your system is down, it poses a real problem. The ideal
solution is to put CD-Roms on a workstation or file server for the entire
department.

Also, since CDs save IBM enormous amounts of money in printing costs and
shipping charges, why not have all documentation (VM, AIX, MVS, etc...) on
the HESC. Everyone would benefit.

If you think this is possible Fred, what kind of timeline might we be
looking at?


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Mike Cooling                                    Internet: cooling@csus.edu
Manager, Operating Systems & Network Support
California State University, Sacramento
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:55:49 EDT
From:         Fred Dwyer <FDDWYER@RHQVM21.VNET.IBM.COM>
Comments: To: IBM-HESC%PSUORVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu

>From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
>Subject:      re: dfdsm
>To:           Multiple recipients of list IBM-HESC
><IBM-HESC%PSUORVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
>
>Greetings Fred:
>
> I have a new product to be added to the HESC. The product is
>DFDSM (IBM data facility distributed storage manager) product
>number 5684-020. It is a successor product of WDSF/VM (IBM
>Workstation Data Save Facility/VM). WDSF is now on the HESC.
>See ann number 292-259.
>
>                                  Thanks Len Boyle
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
OK Len, It's on the list.  Look for a general update early next year.
                                    Fred Dwyer
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:44:27 CDT
From:         $000000 <$000@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      APL2

Has IBM AIX APL2/6000 (5765-012) been requested for HESC?
If not I would like to request that it be added to Group I-G.


Ron Greve
Systems Manager
South Dakota State University
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:19:00 EDT
From:         Chuck Sechler <TS0258@OHSTMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      DFDSM

I seem to be snake bitten on this product. It is not available on July 24.
The document, DFDSM General Information(GH35-0114), is available July 24. The
product is planned to be shipped to a selected set of customers in a quality
introduction program in the 4th Q. 92. GA to be announced later.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:29:57 EDT
From:         Fred Dwyer <FDDWYER@RHQVM21.VNET.IBM.COM>
Comments: To: IBM-HESC%PSUORVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu

>From:         Liu <SURU%TWNMOE10.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
>Subject:      OSI program product for VM
>To:           Multiple recipients of list IBM-HESC
>
>Dear Netter,
>
>   I posted a E-mail requesting info. about OSI/CS and OSI/FS for VM
>last week. But there is no response so far. From my old HESC listing
>from IBM, the OSI/CS (5684-013) appears in group I-A4. But OSI/FS
>does not appear in any group. Why? Can it now support LAN connectivity
>through 8232 LCS? Do I need any other lpp for my VM system to communicate
>with the OSI world? Any information will be very much appreciated.
                   ----------------------------
I had hoped that someone on the net, more technically astute than I,
would answer your questions.  Perhaps they will yet.  The non-technical
answer to your "Why" is most likely that the HESC memebership has not
expressed a requirement for OSI/FS (product number?) under HESC.
Further, if I understand correctly, OSI/FS runs primarily in an MVS
environment.
If this is correct, it would be a poor HESC candidate anyway.
anyway.
If no one on the network responds to your technical questions, please
call your local IBM branch office for technical support.  They will
be able to get you the answers you need.

                                Fred Dwyer
                                IBM ACIS
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:09:00 CST
From:         "M.KNOX" <CCMKNOX@UTXVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Away on a trip

I am back in town BUT 1) am recovering from a car accident
that happened in the jungle and 2) have hundreds of mail
messages SO

if it is critical please call. If I am not here talk with
Marcia (UT business) or Paula (DECUS business):

        me  (512)471-3241
        Marcia (512)471-3241 or marcia@emx.cc.utexas.edu
        Paula  (508)841-3537 or morin@decus.org

Thanks

Marg
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From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: ....rnet-prodigy gateway??
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:42:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Thus spake Z299CB@TAMVM1.BITNET: 

>I asked this question last week and never received any response, however I
>just came across a file today via GOPHER called INTER-NETWORK MAIL GUIDE, by
>John Chew 1990 which references the following:
>
>Robert Halloran (rkh@mtune.ATT.COM) notes:[GEnie, Prodigy, and American
>Online] have all apparently been approached more than once about gateways, and
>have refused to let all that un-screened (and FREE!) mail onto their respective
>networks.]
>
>So looks like we are out of luck.
>
	Actually, both GEnie *and* AOL now have Internet gateways
(user@GEnie.geis.com and user@aol.com respectively). GEnie's gateway is only
open for users (on GEnie) who have signed up for it (anyone can send TO it,
but only those users can receive and/or send form it), while AOL's is
available to all users.

	That's two out of three. 

	BTW, the version of the guide you have is VERY out of date.


-- 
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:11:12 EDT
From:         "John Atkinson" <ATKINSON@KENTVM.KENT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ASSIST
Comments: cc: Dick Jacobson <nu069000@ndsuvm1.BITNET>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:27:03 CDT Dick Jacobson said:
>I am looking for a contact name / e-mail address / phone for ASSIST
>under VM/CMS or an RS/6000.  We are currently running ASSIST under MVS
>but will soon be removing our MVS system.  Any info would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>

If it is still current, this is the name I have:

:nick.ASSIST
:userid.TXM
:node.PSUVM
:name.Tom Minsker
:addr.Computation Center;Penn State University
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:05:39 CDT
Comments:     In-Reply-To: note of Tue,
              25 Aug 1992 10:48:16 -0800 from Marv Dunn
From:         Z299CB@TAMVM1.BITNET
Subject:      ....rnet-prodigy gateway??

I asked this question last week and never received any response, however I
just came across a file today via GOPHER called INTER-NETWORK MAIL GUIDE, by
John Chew 1990 which references the following:

Robert Halloran (rkh@mtune.ATT.COM) notes:[GEnie, Prodigy, and American
Online] have all apparently been approached more than once about gateways, and
have refused to let all that un-screened (and FREE!) mail onto their respective
networks.]

So looks like we are out of luck.





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From: ctermaat@andersen.uucp (Chris TerMaat)
Subject: Re: Internet-prodigy gateway??
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:38:29 GMT

mdunn@REED.EDU (Marv Dunn) writes:

>Is there a gateway between the internet and prodigy?  If so, how would one send
>a message from the internet to prodigy?

>Thanks, Marv

To my knowledge, there is no Prodigy/Internet gateway today.  However,
the current issue of Boardwatch magazine indicates that Prodigy is
planning one.  Other gossip I've heard indicates the gateway may
be about 12 months in coming.
-CJT
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:55:55 -0400
From:         JDBER@CONNCOLL.BITNET
Subject:      Xmodem to a Mac

Can someone tell me of a location to find an xmodem program for Ultrix that
will send to a mac computer. I am trying to download Kermit and currently
have only the options
        Download Protocol:
                MacBinary
                Xmodem Text
                Xmodem Data
on the mac.
Thanks for the help in advance..
                                                  _____________________________
                Jason D. Bernstein              _/         ___
_______________________________________________/  _-  ____/.- | _--_-__--_-
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        New London, CT 06320                    ___---- |**   ___
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                Vice President,              \_-  ---  ------____--___--___-_
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:17:00 EST
From:         "Craig M. Todd VMS/UNIX Software Consultant x3586"
              <CTODD@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ....rnet-prodigy gateway??
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    not Prodigy related, my apologies, but America Online does in fact allow
    sending and receiving Internet messages. (from internetwork mail guide)
    They are referenced as AOL.com

    Craig Todd
    VMS/UNIX Software Consultant
    University Computing Services
    Wright State University
    Dayton, Ohio
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 10:48:16 -0800
From:         Marv Dunn <mdunn@REED.EDU>
Subject:      Internet-prodigy gateway??

Is there a gateway between the internet and prodigy?  If so, how would one send
a message from the internet to prodigy?

Thanks, Marv
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:27:03 CDT
From:         Dick Jacobson <NU069000@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      ASSIST

I am looking for a contact name / e-mail address / phone for ASSIST
under VM/CMS or an RS/6000.  We are currently running ASSIST under MVS
but will soon be removing our MVS system.  Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks.

                      Dick Jacobson
                      ND HECN consultant
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:22:12 +0300
From:         ylikoski@LAURELINE.CS.HUT.FI
Comments: To: ADVISE-L@FINHUTC.hut.fi
              29 Aug 92 00:17:45 EST

dear ADVISE-L Distributor,

I see that for network management/policy reasons you wish to mail the
list to me.

I can read it.  If you want to do so, please go on.

(I try to carry out some academic work, following it makes a little
burden on me.  But ... I see.)

---- friendly regards, antti j ylikoski
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From:         Doreen Rappaport <IRMSS931@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      thanx for cali-info / more questions
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From:  Doreen Rappaport
If you are looking for rides and don't want all the Disney hoopla - you can
try Knotsberry farm (I think that is what is called.)  It is in the same area
I think, and is a fairly large amusement park.

  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
       Doreen Rappaport
       Smithsonian Institution      Phone: (202)786-2142
       OIRM - IRD                   Bitnet:  IRMSS931@SIVM
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:18:07 CDT
From:         Jaroslaw Haftek <JHAFTEK3@UA1VM>
Subject:      Andrew & Willi
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Remember Willi from Vienna who was supposed to be in Miami
by mid-August? He had obtained a lot of travel tips from us,
but we forgot to mention such a small thing as a hurricane!
(except the one you drink in New Orleans)
I hope he will let us know how I was.

To all our friends in Lousiana:  Take care and good luck!
          (hurricane  Andrew is just about to make a landing)

..................................................................
 Jaroslaw Haftek   University of Alabama  <JHAFTEK3@UA1VM.BITNET>
  Metall.Mater.Eng.Dpt. P.O.Box 870202 Tuscaloosa AL 35487 USA
..................................................................
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From:         Doreen Rappaport <IRMSS931@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Disneyworld Fla.
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From:  Doreen Rappaport
There is a great book which I would highly recommend taking with you.  It is
called something like "The UnOfficial Guide to Walt Disney".  It tells you
all about times to go, how to avoid standing in lines, recommended rides &
sights.  We used it and found it wonderful!  It saved us so much frustration
by being able to avoid long lines.
In terms of places to stay, there are hundreds.  If you are looking for cheaper
places then the resorts, try the town of Kissimee.  It is about 20-30 minutes
away from Disney, I think.

  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
       Doreen Rappaport
       Smithsonian Institution      Phone: (202)786-2142
       OIRM - IRD                   Bitnet:  IRMSS931@SIVM
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 12:40:34 PDT
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Camp stoves
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              30 Aug 92 10:32:59 EDT from <U4400@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>

It's not just the cost savings that make white gas better, it's also the
weight savings (if you are backpacking) and the litter of the propane
containers.  A one gallon can of Coleman fuel lasts nearly a lifetime!
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:32:14 EDT
From:         HGOLDSTE@UDCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      subject header
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rose and everyone ... since we don't receive (or at least i
don't) messages that we send to the list we don't see how they
are listed ... since you ANSWERED that message your subject was
also RE:CAMP STOVES ... so the moral of the story is that we
shouldnt use ANSWER or REPLY unless it is a specific reply
that is of general list interest ...

the camp stove series is an example of beating a subject to
death as is the travel advisory list information ... don't you think?

isn't receiving all these messages on 1 non-work related list a
problem for anyone else?
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From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re:      Disneyworld
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:02:14 GMT

We stayed at the Disney Inn, and it was very nice.  Of the
dinner shows, we attended the Polynesian Review, and the
Hoop-De-Do-Review at Fort Wilderness.  I much preferred
the Hoop-De-Do, because the meal was better and the show
was like the Diamond Jubilee Show at the Magic Kingdom, 
except better.  The food at the Polynesian Review was
mediocre, but the show was interesting.  The Hoop-De-Do 
review is sold out months in advance, but if you are 
staying at one of the resort hotels (Polynesian, Contemporary,
Grand Floridian, Disney Inn, or Carribean Resort), you
can make a reservation for it at the same time you
make your hotel reservation.
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
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