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From: rs3j@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Ruth L. Stornetta)
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Summary: WHy USCF should advise DOT
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:08:09 GMT

I think it's very important to have the interests of bicycle racers
represented in a compreshensive transportation plan. If we are going
to have road races at all we must be involved with sharing those roads
with other users (e.g. motorists). It's in everyones interest to run
these races in a safe manner for both motorists and cyclists. The
department of transportation for each state must develop a bicycle
plan that should address the needs of bike racers as well as other
cyclists. While I don't think a USCF representative should be the
sole adviser to the state transportation people, I do think we should have 
some imput into the overall plan. In Virginia I sit on the bicycle advisory 
committee to the Virginia Dept. of Transportation. There are other 
representatives from the cycling community including planners, rails to
trails people, commuters, tourists and touring companies as well as USCF
racers. One positive thing we've done is to help create a bicycle map for the
state. I've also tried to institute a road race permitting system that
applies the same basic requirements as USCF permits allowing a
standardized system across the state. This insures that we will be
allowed to use roads for races as long as certain conditions are met. 
Previous to the permitting system, each Sub-district within the state
could make its own decision about how to conduct a bike race and whether or not
to give permission to a promoter. 
I hope you can see the usefulness of getting involved with your state
transportation department. It's much easier to make changes from "the
inside" and it also helps to develop a cooperative rather than adversarial
relationship in regards to road use.

-Ruth Stornetta
University of Virginia
Dept. of Pharmacology
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 17:46:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

to: gary north

i can't reach you through mail, this i what i saw of bauer and co (this is
the text of returned mail).

sorry, don't know what happened to bauer. on the last ascent of mount royal he was
chasing by himself the lead group and had a pretty big gap to bridge. i should say
he was in ~15th position. that ascent was pretty frantic - the pack desintegrated
small groups or lone riders, everyone giving all they got to make the summit and
start chasing on the descent. i lost may sanity for a minute trying to
cheer them all
up. besides bauer, i saw dag-otto and, i think, norm alvis, both by
themselves trying
to catch up. i'm pretty sure bauer didn't make the top ten.

aaron
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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Newsflash: Alcala & Alpe d'Huez
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:22:28 GMT

In article <92276.155159SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> Willem Boersma
<SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> brains us: 

>... Raul Alcala has now signed for Wordperfect under Jan Raas. ...
>As there are a few brainless Alcala fans here, I thought they'd want
>to know. ...

Excuse you very much!!!!!!!
The legions of Alcala fans might surprise you.  He is one of the
stronger North American riders.

VAMANOS EL RAUL!!!!!

>It looks like a very good move for Raul to me.

Now who's brainless ...
Fastima is "altogether logical" and this is a "very good move".
I'm glad you're not advising the guy.  He would be totaly confused by
now. 



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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Subject: Re: Newsflash: Alcala & Alpe d'Huezy
From: cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie)
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:08:41 -0500
Organization: The CyberSwamp

In article <51.h03Zva0m300@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez) writes:
> In article <92276.155159SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET (Willem Boersma) writes:
>>Despite previous rumours that Raul Alcala would follow PDM's (former)
>>team manager Jan Gisbers to the Spanish team of Festina (an altogether
>>logical move in my opinion), Raul Alcala has now signed for
>>Wordperfect under Jan Raas. Alcala will be the "kopman", for
>>which no English equivalent springs to mind (the main rider for
>>the big tours, help me out here). As there are a few brainless
>>Alcala fans here, I thought they'd want to know. It looks like
>>a very good move for Raul to me.
> 
> 
> Ok, so who else is on El Raul's team?? The Brainless really want to know...
> 
Do I understand right that WordPerfect is sponsering a team? Cool. As for who,
I imagine alot of Raas's old Buckler/Superconfix team.
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I. Charles Barilleaux III                 occasionally know at Miami Univ
CBARILLEAUX@MIAVX1.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU         as Cyberpreppie.

"A paperless office is about as usefull as a paperless bathroom"

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From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: MTB WORLDS...WHAT HAPPENNED???
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:35:08 GMT

This absolutely the last time I am going to post this.....don't flame me
for the repetition!
Here are the results in the senior elite (ie the pros) division for the
World Mountain Biking Championships held last week at Bromont, Quebec.



Cross Country - 8.3km
              - women 3 laps total 28km
              - men 5 laps total 44km
              - total vertical climb 360m

Womens:     1. Sylvia Furst (Switz)        2:00:25
            2. Alison Sydor (Can)          2:02:14
            3. Ruthie Mattes (US)          2:03:26

Mens:       1. Heinrik Djerwis (Den)       2:41:06
            2. Thomas Frischnect (Switz)   2:44:33
            3. David Baker (UK)            2:45:32



Downhill     - 362m vertical


Womens:     1. Juli Furtado (US)           00:05:09.8
            2. Kim Sonier (US)                 5:15.5
            3. Cindy Devine (Can)              5:19.3


Mens:       1. Dave Cullinan (US)          00:04:28.0
            2. Jimmy Deaton (US)               4:33.0
            3. Christian Taillefer (Fra)       4:33.7


As near as I can remeber Overend placed ~16th or 17th and battled most of
the race with Tinker Juarez.  Tomac started out strong but fell back
2-3 places every lap and ended up about 25th-27th.  Tomac was the crowd
pleaser, though, taking the big air whenever he could.
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From: garrick@owlnet.rice.edu (Garrick F. Mitchell)
Subject: RESULTS: Rice U. Collegiate Crit
Organization: Rice University Cycling Team
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:56:02 GMT


Teams from the South Central Collegiate Cycling Conference competed in
the second event of the fall season Sunday as Rice University hosted
its "Short Circuit" race in Tom Bass Park south of Houston.

The hills of the previous day's crit at Sam Houston State U. were replaced
by a steadily increasing northeast wind which raked the 1.4-mile concrete
loop.  The sun accentuated the Houston humidity, making the ocasional
cloud very much welcome.

MEN'S A:        Maroon jerseys were once again in control of the A's
pack.  Rodney Bowden (TX A&M) slipped away early and simply motored away
to win the race by about 3 minutes.  The only significant resistance
was provided by Southwest Texas St. rider Shannon Graham, who chased
furiously and eventually put two minutes on the A&M-controlled peloton.
Once it was obvious that Bowden was in no danger of being caught, though,
A&M relaxed its grip on the field and SWT jumped in to quicken the pace.  
A disgusted Graham was swallowed up by the pack with less than one lap 
to go as Bowden soloed in.  Aggie teammates Ryan Albert and Edgar Nunley
took the top two spots in the field sprint, giving A&M a top three sweep
of the A's race.  Adam Spikes (Midwestern St.) and Todd Bauer (Louisiana
Tech) rounded out the top five.

WOMEN:		The wind really splintered the women's field, which saw
Catherine Hall (Baylor) beat Julie Barter (A&M) in an impressive final
sprint.  Susan Burge (Sam Houston State), fresh from promoting the previous
day's crit, soloed in for third place.  Midwestern St. teammates Crystal
Butler and Martha Davis were the next group to finish, followed next by
A&M teammates (and sisters!) Tina and Mia Scheufele.

MEN'S B:	The B's race saw a rare successful breakaway as five riders
got clear.  Attempts were made to bridge, but teamwork helped insure the
safety of the break.  Freshman Adam Czelusta (Rice) ignited the final sprint
300 meters from the line, but as the course turned back into the wind he
was passed by winner Mason O'Neal (SWT) and Travis Lawson (MSU).  Czelusta
easily took third ahead of Jason Vivion (Baylor) and Erin Briken (U. of
North Texas).

MEN'S C:	A safe race was truly had by all today as the C's pack
kept a good pace throughout their 45 minute event.  A pack sprint was the
order of the day, and Southwest Texas St. put David Roberts and Andy Jordan
in the top two spots.  Verdel Nesmith (Baylor), Andrew Walker (Rice), and
Timothy Krasin (A&M) rounded out the top five.

Next stop: Conference Track Championships.  Hope to see y'all there!


Garrick Mitchell
President, Rice U. Cycling Team
garrick@owlnet.rice.edu
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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: USCF terminates affiliation and sponsorship of USPRO
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:27:57 GMT

In their meeting on September 27, the USCF Board of Directors voted to
terminate both their sponsorship of USPRO and their affiliation with
that organization.  USCF has given USPRO about $225,000 under the
current sponsorship agreement, plus a substantial insurance subsidy.
None of those funds appear to be recoverable.  Nevertheless, the
termination is a very positive step, in my view.

I was tempted to say to the Board, "I told you so," but restrained
myself.  When the USCF Board voted in 1989 to enter into a sponsorship
agreement with USPRO, I was one of only two directors who voted
against it.  I had argued unsuccessfully that the agreement was
completely one-sided.

After USPRO predicatably accepted the initial $100,000 gift and
proceeeded to try screw the USCF, the response of USCF President Rich
DeGarmo was to negotiate a new agreement under which the USCF would be
obligated to give USPRO an even larger sum -- $1 million over the next
10 years, again with essentially no abligations on their part.
Astonishingly, he persuaded the USCF Board to approve that contract by
a margin of 25 to 1 -- I was the only dissenter.

That money could have done a lot of good within the Federation.  I
would like to think that the older Board members have now learned
something from this but I doubt it.

As soon as I get time, I will summarize the rule changes adopted by
the USCF Board on Sunday.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
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From: cnolan@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Nissan Classic: Fifth stage result.
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:50:53 GMT

*** NB  It was of couse Tchmil who was third in the fourth stage. ***

As expected Anderson rode in to Dublin the winner of the eight and last 
Nissan Classic.  On the ride from Naas Motorola had to work hard 
neutralizing the attacks which were going off the front every few minutes.  
Lance Armstrong and Sean Yates really showed their worth yesterday.

The peleton came in intact to twelve laps of the finishing circuit.  After 
more attacks a group of eitghteen got away with about five laps to go.  
This did not include any danger men and the Motorolas let it go.  It suited 
Anderson because it meant his rivals were not getting any of the bonus 
seconds that were at stake.  Alcala and Tchmil were having their own battle 
for bonuses as Tchmil was trying to take second on GC from Alcala.

De Konnig (Pan) won out the sprint from Van der Poel (Tulip) with Andreu 
(Mot) third.  There was a pile-up on the line where Hoffman fell for no 
apparent reason taking down Taffi (Car) and causing Van der Poel a bit of a 
wobble.

Roche maintained his lead over Breukink in the KOM but Van der Poel did 
enough to depose Nelissen for the points jersey.  Redant kept the sprints 
jersey and Stefan Hennebert (Bel, Lotto) got the under-24 catagory.

_Postscript_
This was the last Tour of Ireland to be sponsored by Nissan.  Hopefully a 
new sponsor will be found.  All the competitors pulled their weight.  Not 
like past years when Lemond and Fignon would come over for a golfing 
holiday - retiring after one day.  Their were only about four retirements.  
Apart from Dublin, the crowds were as big or bigger than any other year so 
the public's support is still there.

Next stop Montreal ...

GC:
1, Anderson
2, Alcala	+ 7
3, Tchmil	+ 9

KOM:	Roche
Sprint:	Redant
Points:	Van der Poel
U-24:	Hennebert

-- 
===============================================================================
		Conor Nolan	(cnolan@tcd.ie)
	Microelectronics Dept. Trinity College, Dublin.  IRELAND.
===============================================================================
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From: jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Joseph R. Pitts)
Subject: MTB WORLDS...WHAT HAPPENNED???
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:36:16 GMT

I MAYBE A LITTLE LATE...BUT WHAT HAPPENNED AT THE WORLDS IN
CANADA??? AND WHEN WILL ESPN BROADCAST THE RACE (MAYBE FOR EVEN
LONGER THAN THEIR RESPECTIVE 15 MINS..).

					IN THE DARK,
					JOE PITTS
				ORDINARY GUY, WHRO-NORFOLK


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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: Newsflash: Alcala & Alpe d'Huez
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 17:49:33 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: Re: Newsflash: Alcala & Alpe d'Huez 

In article <BvnMpG.Cs6@rice.edu>, shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
|> In article <92276.155159SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> Willem Boersma
|> <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> brains us: 
|> 
|> >... Raul Alcala has now signed for Wordperfect under Jan Raas. ...
|> >As there are a few brainless Alcala fans here, I thought they'd want
|> >to know. ...
|> 
|> Excuse you very much!!!!!!!
|> The legions of Alcala fans might surprise you.  He is one of the
|> stronger North American riders.
|> 
|> VAMANOS EL RAUL!!!!!
|> 
|> >It looks like a very good move for Raul to me.
|> 
|> Now who's brainless ...
|> Fastima is "altogether logical" and this is a "very good move".
|> I'm glad you're not advising the guy.  He would be totaly confused by
|> now. 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>

aren't we touchy !

aaron
|> Wanna ride?

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From: MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:35:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92277.183524MRS110
Organization: Penn State University

wow, that's pretty surprizing--but no kidding, the fans were out of wack--that
guy who knocked over Bugno--what a dork!  Also, how about that stage when chiap
ucci passed the motorcycles and was fighting his way through the crowds?  that
was insane--they should do something, but no alpe d'huez is silly--that's an aw
esome stage.  later, maria at psu
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From: mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: on contacting Jim Ochowitz
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:35:41 PDT


	This post may belong in .misc, but if so, forgive me-  I think I'll
have better luck here.
	Question- what's the best way to get in touch with Motorola's
director sportif Jim Ochowitz (sp?) ?
	Any information would be appreciated.
						Thanks,
						Mark
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Mark Hespenheide
mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu

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In rec.bicycles.racing, gregory@halcyon.com (Gregory Wright) writes:

> 
>  Does anybody know what the average heart rate is for proffesional
> level riders? During climbs, pack riding, etc.

Much lower than yours or mine would be ;-)

Seriously, it varies so widely from rider to rider, from one point in a race to
another, trying to determine an average is useless.

Allan Peiper has an amusing antecdote in a recent Velo News (his journals
are the high point of Velo News, IMHO) about Claudio Chiapucci wearing
a heart rate monitor.  He said Claudio wore it to psyche out other riders
next to him when the glanced at his HRM and saw how low his heart rate
was.  After Allan asked Claudio about his HRM, Claudio came up to Peiper
a few times during the race to show him what his heart rate was.

Keith Erskine
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From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:26:38 GMT

I'm not convinced by the theory that rowdy spectators
caused Alpe d'Huez to be dropped from the Tour for next
year.  (As several people have pointed out, Bugno was
knocked off on the previous day's stage.)  Rather, it was
bad enough for the french to see dutch riders win that
stage consistently, but it was just too much for them to
swallow that an english speaking rider might win it! 

=D)

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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: McCook
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: rec.bicycles.racing
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:35:14 GMT

I've been sort of keeping an eye on this guy McCook that's on
the Saturn Team. He is getting more and more impressive and
I'm getting the idea that he is the replacement for Davis
Phinney in the international peloton. He's building and improving
all of the time.

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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:37:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

According to a report in the London "Daily Telegraph", the Tour
organisers have decided not to include an Alpe d'Huez stage in next
year's Tour; the reason cited being the poor behaviour of spectators on
the stage. The full itinerary will apparently be announcde on October 29th
and the route is expected to miss out the northern Alps - concentrating
instead on some stages in the southern part of the range.

Dan
From: djd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dan Dixon)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:36:08 GMT
Subject: Re: ESPN MTBing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing

In rec.bicycles.racing, djd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dan Dixon) writes:

> In rec.bicycles.racing, aviechec@dante.nmsu.edu (Alex Viechec) writes:
> 
> > I would really appreciate it if anyone could could tell me if/when any more
> > mountain bike races will be on ESPN.  Thanks 
> > 
> > Alex 
> 
> 
> I think MTBing is on Wednesday Sep 30 10:00pm MDT on ESPN.  
> 
> To find these events, just look in the front section of TV Guide on the
> SPORTS THIS WEEK page.  They seem to fall on Wednesday nights most of the
> time.
> 
> -Dan Dixon

Whoops, looks like it is at 11:00pm Mountain Time.

-Dan Dixon
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From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver)
Subject: Re: Kiefel shells Motorola; moves to Coors Light
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:30:47 GMT


ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer) writes:
>Talk is that Ron Kiefel will move from Motorola to Coors Light

VeloNews also reported this in their latest issue, as a done deal,
not as speculation.


Dave Weaver
From: MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: road world's on TV?
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:40:04 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I know I probably missed any coverage of the worlds on TV, but when were
they on--if at all?  maria
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From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Subject: Tour of Texas '93 ?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:07:52 GMT

I'm not holding my breath or anything, but I'd heard from "reliable sources"
that the Tour of Texas (or another international amateur race like Tour of
Texas) would be reborn in 1993.  Since I suppose the international calendar
is on its way to being completed about now, can anyone comment on whether
the rumour is true or false?
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

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From: alant@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Alan Tragarz (JD))
Subject: USCF Charge for club race
Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M San Diego
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:48:39 GMT

Last week our club put on its first ever race. It was a learning experience
and well worth it. My question is regarding the fees charged to us by the
USCF.  We first had to send a check for 1% (I think it was 1%) of the total
prize money to be awarded. Next we gave $1 per racer for USCF insurance. 
Lastly, the officials charged us 'travel expenses' of $51 & $35. I know for 
a fact that one of the officers lives within 25 miles of where the race took
place. My question is: Are these costs correct? What makes up the expenses? 
Mileage? Food?

I would also like to know if the 1% of the prize is for money or money and
product? Does it include preems too?

Alan
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:52:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Sep30.195228.3213
Organization: AT&T

In article <pq-pq7c@lynx.unm.edu> dinsdale@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Don McDaniel) writes:
>I agree that this is an appropriate emphasis for USCF.  I think it is 
>up to local clubs to put on a lot of low-cost races to give the rest 
>of us someplace to race.  USCF is really not in a position to promote
>local "fun" races.

I'm not sure I agree with this.  While one of the charters of the
USCF is to support the National and Olympic teams (but it's not clear
what will happen now that the Olympics and Worlds are merging pros
with amateurs), another charter is to support cycling at all levels.
Even were this not the case, it should be clear that the amount of
international-caliber talent is proportional to the size of local
participation.  Most European countries have a much higher percentage
of people racing at the local level, so its hardly surprising that
they are also more successful at the international level.  Greg LeMond
knows this, that's why he's running the LeMond Challenge as a way to
increase grass-roots participation.  It is in the interest of the USCF
to foster local competition, and, I would say, it is also their job.

Now I'm not saying exactly what the USCF needs to do, because I don't
know.  But I hope that they at least recognize the problem, and put
some resources into solving it.

John_Ampe@att.com
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From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Subject: Kiefel shells Motorola; moves to Coors Light
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:05:03 GMT

Talk is that Ron Kiefel will move from Motorola to Coors Light next
season.  I guess he's tired of the European scene and wants to race
domestically in the U.S. (and will probably get about the same income
with less foreign travel).
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

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