From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: RNC platform please
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:01:52 GMT

Summary: Interested people can use the phone number that I posted,
(202) 863-8500, to get a copy.  Interested people can contact the
appropriate people in the Repub campaign and ask about electronic
distribution of campaign materials.  O'Neil either isn't interested in
those goals or doesn't know how to go about satisfying them.  If
O'Neil wants to rag on a Bush supporter for the Repub campaign's
failure to satisfy her demands, she should find one.

In article <oneil.715627543@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>In article <oneil.715587070@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>>>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>>>In article <oneil.715491500@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>>>>>True, but if someone at the RNC would take the time to scan it, it would be
>>>>>all over the net in no time!  If you ask me, it looks like they don't want
>>>>>people to read it because the Democratic platform was online in about a day!
>>>
>>>>So?  If you ask me, they think that they've got better things to do.
>>>>They may not even know how much distribution on-line stuff gets.
>>>
>>>Interesting that you would say this.  The Clinton campaign certainly 
>>>feels that it is important to get this stuff online.  They put everything
>>>out in a day and I believe that they even have their own internet 
>>>connection now.
>>>
>>>I certainly feel the Democrats are more grass roots.
>
>>So?  Clinton plays better sax too.  Does this really matter?
>
>Why would I vote for a bunch of clueless yokels who don't know and don't
>want to know how to spread the word about their campaign?  

Since usenet really isn't a significant distribution media, ignoring
it isn't necessarily "clueless" and doesn't imply that the Repubs don't
want to spread the word about their campaign.

BTW - Grassroots campaigns aren't about informing people, or even
about getting them involved, at least not in any sense that
distinguishes them from other campaign strategies.

>>>>Asking either of us is rather silly.  If you want to know why they
>>>>haven't made it available, ask them.
>>>
>>>Why is it silly for the LARGE NUMBER of people who have asked to ask online?
>
>>Learn to READ O'Neil.  It is silly to ask people on-line why the
>>Repubs have made certain decisions because said people DON'T know.
>>Anyone who honestly CARES why the repubs did certain things will ask
>>them instead of attributing reasons to them.  Why do the best Clinton
>>arguments consist of dishonestly attributing things to others?
>
>I'm obviously not the only one who has asked where the
>Rep. platform is.  I'm sure some of them are even Republicans.  You know,
>it's very likely that some well-meaning Republican might think, "Gosh, I
>have a flatbed scanner.  Aw, what the heck, I'll scan it in?" 

So?  I posted the phone number, (202) 863-8500, and now we're discussing
why an on-line version hasn't appeared yet.  O'Neil seems to think that
that "means" something and insists on attributing her meaning to
the Repubs.  I suggest that maybe we should ask the Repubs what they
"mean" by not providing it on line, that O'Neil has no basis for
her attribution, and she goes ballistic.

>>>The Democrats got theirs online.  If those were available via anonymous
>>>FTP, then only naturally would we be querying about the Republican platform.
>
>>So?
>
>So go vote Republican. 

Huh?

>>>But anyway, this group seems to be the natural place to be checking.
>
>>Why?  Unlike alt.politics.clinton, apb isn't a Bush media outlet.
>>Wishing otherwise won't change that.
>
>Because there aren't enough people online here who support Bush for it to
>become so.  I'm sorry you're so jealous.  (It's only reflecting what's going
>on in the rest of the country, of course.)

Nevertheless, apb still isn't a media outlet, so it is unreasonable to
expect it to be one, even though apc is.  BTW - Not being a bush
supporter, (despite O'Neil's best efforts to convince me that Clinton
supporters are dishonest goons) I don't know what they're doing.  If
they're clever, they're engaged in useful political action instead of
whining on the net like so many Clinton folk, but ...

>Gosh, you certainly need to learn how to deal with people in life if my
>simple query to find out if anyone had scanned in the platform had done so
>has made you so defensive.

0-2 in one sentence.  I POSTED the information I had, which is a
curious way to hide it.  Since then, O'Neil has done nothing but
complain that I didn't live up to her demands and attribute strawmen
to others.

Summary: Interested people can use the phone number that I posted,
(202) 863-8500, to get a copy.  Interested people can contact the
appropriate people in the Repub campaign and ask about electronic
distribution of campaign materials.  If O'Neil wants to rag on a Bush
supporter for the failings of the campaign to satisfy her demands, she
should find one.

-andy
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