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From: mece21x@rosie.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Subject: Re: Why so dull?
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Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.001839.3603@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes...
>In article <14OCT199212344909@elroy.uh.edu> mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael) writes:
>>It was five scores and three days ago that PC rasied the banner and for the
>>second time in history said that " We, the people (from the Southwestern corner
>>of the subcontinent), in order to form a more perfect union....." Applause.
>>Everyone was for it. 
>>But very recently PC has been absent from the
>>scene, and we are not very sure as to whether he is still in Boulder or not.
>>Maybe John Walsh and Fox TV might be of some help....
> 
>1] Really no mystery .
>   Am working  on a short term basis for a company that handles the 
>  information flow for a university in Washington D.C.
> 
>  So physically am in D.C.
>  Commuting and work take up most of my time, hence the long silence.
>  Things are expected to improve in a few days.
> 
> 
>  My news access is via telnet to tigger, which makes it atrociously slow
>  and painful to use post mechanisms. May have to resort to ucbvax, but dont know about alt groups.
> 
> 
>Later.
>Paul Chemmanoor.

Thanks Paul, I hope that later really means something.
Michael

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:19:39 -0400 
From: Sudha Neelakantan <sudha+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
	<1992Oct14.200436.27781@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>

I have it from the authority of no less a person than my dad that
Valluvanad u<taluq speaks the purest malayalam in all of Kerala.  I
personally must admit to knowing only of Palghat malayalam which is
completely tamil biased and sounds vaguely threatening to boot, or the
really weird Trivandrum dialect which is sometimes incomprehensible
and ofcourse my homestyle familiar kottayam style malayalam.


Sudha

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    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
      Carnegie Mellon          >    - Rabindranath Tagore -
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From: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:04:11 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph)
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: GE Research


In article <1992Oct7.014543.1984@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran) writes:
>
>This is alt.culture.kerala.
>
>Let us have some threads on the following topics:   
>(1) Kerala History- Marthanda Varma, Chera Kings etc 
>(2) Dance Forms - Mohiniattam, Kathakali, Theyyam, Koodiyattam etc
>(3) Traditional Music - Chendai and so on
>(4) Kerala Architecture - Significance of Nallukettu etc
>(5) Kerala Temple Architecture and Sculpture
>(6) Tourist Spots in Kerala - Kovalam, Ponmudi, Periyar Wildlife Sanctuary etc
>(7) Kerala Literature- Vallathol, Mahakavi Kumarasan etc
>(8) Social Reformers - Narayana Guru, Chattambi Swami
>(9) Martial Art Forms - Kalaripayattu
>(10)Food
>(11)Festivals and Significance - Vishu, Onam, Pooram etc

   Murali,  all these topics are too nice.  No room for arguments
or fights or flames.  What we need is fightin' words and fightin' topics.

>(12)Variation of Kerala Lifestyle, language etc from Thiruvananthapuram
>to Kasargod

    Now there is a decent topic if I ever saw one.  Let us take for example
language. Which part of Kerala do you think speaks pure (shudha) malayalam ?
That is, malayalam without funny accents.  Is it the southies ? No way !!
They say "kwazhi" for "kozhi" and "bwanji" for soda naaranga vellom.  Do
you think it is the Trichur guys with their ha ha funny accent.  Of course
not.  Of course there is no hope if you go further north.

   So now that we all agree that since neither the northies nor the
southies speak pure malayalam, it has to be the madhya thiruvithamkoor
malayalam that is the purest.  Especially, Kottayam district, Especially
Kanjirappally Taluk, Especially Erumely village, and the purest of the
pure - Chenappady pakuthi.

   james joseph                     joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com

ps: Seriously though, I too, would like to see some discussions on real
    cultural topics, as opposed to dowry cultural topics.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: anilk@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.164605.1108@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
> 
> Sung by:	Yesudas
> Film:		No  idea.
> 
> 	kaayaanboo kaNNil vidarum kamalaDaLam kaviLil vidarum
> 	anuraagavathee ninchodikaLil ninnaalippazham pozhiyum
> 
> 	ponnaranJaaNam bhoomikku chaartthum
> 	puzhayudeyEkaantha puLinatthil
> 	nin mR~DusmEratthin inDrajaalam kaNdu
> 	nithyavismayavumaay nJaaniRanGi	(2)
> 	sakhi nJaaniRanGi
> 
> 			kaayaanboo...
> 	
> 	ninnekkuRicchu nJaan paadiya paattin~
> 	niravadhi OLanGaL Sruthiyittu
> 	ninmanOraajyatthe neelakkadanbil nee
> 	enteyee kaLitthONi kettiyittu	(2)
> 	sakhi kettiyittu
> 
> 			kaayaanboo...
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mathai


    this song is from the movie 'Nadi'; lyrics by Vayalar Rama Varma.

 AKP



Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: ***Chitra Lokam***
Keywords: KAMALADALAM
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:49:52 GMT

In article <1bfmgtINN2st@phakt.usc.edu> rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan) writes:
>                            KAMALADALAM
>                           -------------

>Songs sung by Yesudas

Also : Chitra, Sujatha, M. G. Sreekumar, Kanjangad Ramabadhran etc.

> - Story similar to the tamil movie Silangaioli(Kamala Hassan)

Not really...Silangai Oli had a fairly strong storyline.

> - Very predictable story line.

I Agree.

>This movie was a mega hit in Kerala. 

I don't think so. It ran for less than 100 days in Ernakulam, if I am not
mistaken. Also, it was quite briskly demoted from Saritha to Savitha & then
to Sangeetha. Certainly nowhere as successful as some other Mohanlal movies.

>Have fun,

You too...

Mahesh.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pcjg7045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Pramod C. John)
Subject: Re: Dowry
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:43:41 GMT

mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:

>In article <Bvpon6.F1q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pcjg7045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Pramod C. John) writes:

>> 	Especially as a Christian, based on the principles taught by Jesus, I 
>> find the practice and the mindset to be even more disturbing. 

>> Pramod John
>> 

>Does christianity say anything about dowry? Are there any events in Bible
>which teach that giving and taking dowry is wrong? If so, then why is it
>that even churches take a portion of the dowry? 

>The Bible, I think, has a harmful effect on the equality of men and
>women. Doesn't Genesis say that woman was created just because man needed
>her?

>Regards,

>Mathai

>-- 


>Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
>==================================================================

Hi,
	No, I don't think that the Bible explicitly states, "Dowry is wrong" just
as it doesn't address a lot of issues specifically.  What it does is give a
general framework for making decisions and judgement.  
	Clearly Jesus Christ and his teachings are against injustice in any form.
Looking at the teachings on Christ concerning the eqaulity of human beings and 
especially love, I think any interpretation in context will reveal this.
	Now concerning the equality of men and women in the Genesis account a few
verses before the verse in question, the Bible states " So God created man in his 
own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them"
Gen(1:27). Paul again reiterates this by saying that in Christ there is no Jew,
Greek, Male, Female, slave or free person.... And the list of sayings goes on.

	If the organized church is involved in the propagation and practice that
is contrary to the mission of the church, then God will judge them for their
actions.  People have twisted the message of the gospel for their own gain in 
many instances, so judge the writings of Christ based on the writings themselves
not on the 3rd hand knowledge (the practices of people).  

	Again I make the claim, that Christianity does not support the dowry
system.

Take Care,

Pramod
-- 
Pramod John, Dept. of ECE at UIUC 
email: Pramod@uiuc.edu
"Blessed are the peacemakers"- Jesus Christ
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pjoseph@eng.auburn.edu (Paul Joseph)
Subject: an interesting observation !!
Reply-To: pjoseph@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:31:21 GMT

	This incident happened to a kashmiri friend of mine. we were in the same hostel at IITM. our hero is a Lt in the indian Navy (maybe he's a captain now coz i lost touch with him). anyway, the man went to srinagar(his home town) to get engaged to this girl he was going to get married (obviously !!). when the question of dowry came, being an educated etc etc ....  guy, he refused to accept anything. But the girl's parents would'nt agree to that he had to accept whatever they gave him. but he fought back and 




eventually had to accept something. 

my question is, whom do we blame here. the guy ?? the parents of the girl ?? or the society ??


poulo



Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu (DDM)
Subject: Re: Why so dull?
Reply-To: dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City, NY
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:46:32 GMT

Namaskaram,kootukare! (not again!)
	Well,at least I haven't mispelled (or mistyped) it yet as
"Namaskaram,kottukare" (translation "bony people"). The intelligent,objective
and witty sarcasm by MJ has opened the eyes of at least one user on ACK.
Reading that made me laugh till I had tears coming out of my eyes. But MJ is
right about me at least although I can't speak about the others. I myself don't
post much to ACK but I have been keeping up-to-date with the events here and I
have to agree with MJ.
	Frankly, to tell you the truth I was not very interested in most of the
topics here which accounts for my very infrequent postings. I made only a few
contributions here. So few,in fact that I can name them : Intro back in
September, a questionary posting on the then unknown nature of the Ravi/Mathai
dispute, the Sanjayan postings, one posting on dowry and one or two? postings
on MC's sometimes unwarranted statements. If there were any other postings by
me then I don't have the foggiest idea what they were.
	I think that everyone here, including me, has been bickering about
something or other for too long. There have been some battles that have been
fought here. How about this! I will post some topics here that are of potential
value for ACK users. Then all of you folks please add or deduct from the list
as you wish. NOTE : DON'T POST THESE SUGGESTIONS, E-MAIL IT TO ME! BELIEVE ME
I READ MY MAIL AND I WON'T MISS ANYBODY AS LONG AS THE MESSAGE GETS TO ME.
	When I have gotten a considerable range of topics I will post them on
ACK in possible order of importance. Then all of us, including me, can cast our
votes on any further eliminations from the list. When there seems to be a final
consensus on topics, I would be happy to post them along with a note that only
those topics will be allowed on ACK by the people using them.  All other topics
which are posted here will be flamed and the user be placed in a list
maintained, by one of us, of unwelcome users of ACK.
	I think that this is a fair, democratic way to settle the issue. If
anybody has suggestions regarding my plan please send me mail about that ALSO!
								Nanni,
								Njan
								DM
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: paayasam, biriyani recipe please...
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:58:39 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Well, the subject says it all.

I would like them to be just like we have it in kerala. Especially, color,
taste etc...

Please name the spices and stuff in english and malayalam, otherwise I
will definitely miss them.

Thanks in advance.

Mathai
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:46:34 GMT


In article <Bw4LzF.7Ht@ulowell.ulowell.edu> sphilip@cs.ulowell.edu (Sheela B. Philip) writes:
>
>you mean chetta,  not chatta , I hope.

hmm chatta... now that's an interesting thought...
well, you should know better...
:-)

>Ben 

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: Why so dull?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:18:39 GMT

In article <14OCT199212344909@elroy.uh.edu> mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael) writes:
>It was five scores and three days ago that PC rasied the banner and for the
>second time in history said that " We, the people (from the Southwestern corner
>of the subcontinent), in order to form a more perfect union....." Applause.
>Everyone was for it. 
>But very recently PC has been absent from the
>scene, and we are not very sure as to whether he is still in Boulder or not.
>Maybe John Walsh and Fox TV might be of some help....

1] Really no mystery .
   Am working  on a short term basis for a company that handles the 
  information flow for a university in Washington D.C.

  So physically am in D.C.
  Commuting and work take up most of my time, hence the long silence.
  Things are expected to improve in a few days.


  My news access is via telnet to tigger, which makes it atrociously slow
  and painful to use post mechanisms. May have to resort to ucbvax, but dont know about alt groups.

  As for the a.c.k stuff, I have ben in read only mode, following with 
 interest the various clashes and informational articles being carried out.
 MC is fast emerging as a net.star  competing with the old veteran and my
 friend Njan for  centre stage. 

  Although I must admit the grace of a trichur girl in speaking malayalam 
  is unparalleled. To paraphrase Robie Robertson, who else is gonna give you
 a glass of milk who else is gonna  bring you while she says 'enthootanu'. 
 An acquired taste I must admit. But hey, there are people who listen 
to gregorian chants in the throes of ecstasy. :-)

I wrote to gene spafford, who maintains the database of news groups
anbout including the name of a.c.k. in the list.
Hope that works out.
For the time being I think we should welcome more and more people
to post. I may have mentioned it before but, I have had mail from people
who say that they do not post in a.c.k. and sci because they are afraid
of teh flame wars. So when you want to have a flame fest go ahead by all 
means but pick on the veterans, they probably like it anyway.

Forgive my spellings telnet makes me worse.

Later.
Paul Chemmanoor.
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.   The sunset of that golden hour,                                        .
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.   And I saw your eyes, No longer blind.                   Boulder.       .
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:48:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175245.6595@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>
>The following is not intended for fighting. But, it is a fact that
>people from the Ernakulam district speak the purest possible malayalam.
>No accents, no variations but exactly like it is written in books. Only

How horrible!!! Imagine listening to a Malayalam professor all the time!!

Imagine your beautiful (you wish! :)), newly wed bride coming into the
bedroom saying,

"Sahodara, kudikkan kurachu palu konduvannittundu."

as opposed to,

"chatta, palu" 

I know what I would like to hear.. how about you?

Spoken language is NOT the same as written language... it is the differences
in speaking a language that makes it interesting and exciting... A pretty girl
talking in trichur malayalam... now, that's something I'd like to hear.
:)

BTW, how do you know what written language sounds like? Also, you shoud learn
to spell the name of your place correctly.. it's Eranakulam and NOT
Ernakulam

>Mathai

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:11:54 GMT

In article <serNcPu00WB610gppM@andrew.cmu.edu> Sudha Neelakantan <sudha+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>I have it from the authority of no less a person than my dad that
>Valluvanad u<taluq speaks the purest malayalam in all of Kerala.  I
>personally must admit to knowing only of Palghat malayalam which is
>completely tamil biased and sounds vaguely threatening to boot, or the
>really weird Trivandrum dialect which is sometimes incomprehensible
>and ofcourse my homestyle familiar kottayam style malayalam.
>
>
>Sudha

1] You sure are missing out on Trichur Malayalam.
   Long been made fun of, it is only now coming out of
   the closet to claim its rightful place as the lingua franca
   of the elite, the creme de la creme of the culturally advanced in 
   Kerala, the spoken language in the cultural capital of Kerala: trichur.

  I challenge anyone to name any other malayalam dialect that has been 
  celebrated  in a movie song. [Mathai may remember the references ]

Paul Chemmanoor.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:52:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct10.130411.23728@crd.ge.com> joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writes:
.
.
>   Murali,  all these topics are too nice.  No room for arguments
>or fights or flames.  What we need is fightin' words and fightin' topics.

Exactly. 

>
>>(12)Variation of Kerala Lifestyle, language etc from Thiruvananthapuram
>>to Kasargod
>
>    Now there is a decent topic if I ever saw one.  Let us take for example
>language. Which part of Kerala do you think speaks pure (shudha) malayalam ?
>That is, malayalam without funny accents.  Is it the southies ? No way !!
>They say "kwazhi" for "kozhi" and "bwanji" for soda naaranga vellom.  Do
>you think it is the Trichur guys with their ha ha funny accent.  Of course
>not.  Of course there is no hope if you go further north.

The following is not intended for fighting. But, it is a fact that
people from the Ernakulam district speak the purest possible malayalam.
No accents, no variations but exactly like it is written in books. Only
Yesudas would be able to beat our pronunciation!


>Kanjirappally Taluk, Especially Erumely village, and the purest of the
>pure - Chenappady pakuthi.
>
>   james joseph                     joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com
>

Regards,

Mathai