HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:08:33 GMT

In article <fortony.712476931@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>jqtan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jianqi Tan) writes:
>
>>it's not other people's fault.  Aside from the technical angle, I doubt
>>that you have any sense of asthetic appreciation.  It seems that your 
>>only criteria are that they should be American.
>
>Nope.  I'm not even an American citizen, and I certainly don't care
>if the Americans win or lose every gold in the Olympics.  Please don't
>accuse me of errant nationalism or oriental-bashing, and if you have to
>try to take it to a personal level like Jianqi did above, please take
>it to e-mail.
>
>I'm personally interested in what other people besides myself and the
>very large Chinese anti-me contingent thinks.  :)  Anyone willing to risk
>it?
>-- 
>a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
>Felix Sebastian Ortony	fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu


I certainly did not like your comments about the robot like Chinese divers
and the "graceful swan-like" movements of American divers. However Jianqi
Tan was equally aggressive and started spewing all types of senseless remarks
too. The Chinese divers were very good. But be open Tan, everybody can express
his or her opinion !

Dinkar.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About Jie4 Zhong3
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:29:20 GMT

One of 100 millions ZHANGs wrote:
======================================================================
In <9207301903.AA17703@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:

<           In the worst case, we can turn to genetic engineering.   
<           Another thing is that China has many wu3 xue2 ming2 jia1.
<           We should have them teach basketball players, as long
<           as you know qing1 gong1, no Magic Johnson is going to be a
<           problem.  
< 

Tie3 bu4 shan1 or zhan1 yi1 18 die3 should be more effective. 
======================================================================

No. Tie3 bu4 shan1 should be used in boxing, not in B-ball. zhan1 yi1 18 die3
can be used in B-ball but the best application would be in F-ball. In order
to avoid americans lobbying "Qi"-test and ban, we'd better use only one
GongFu in one kind of game. So Tuya's "Ti Yun 18 Zong" is the best
candidate for B-ball.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fundamental problem of China
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:50:31 GMT

stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu's article seems deeply thought, expect the last
sentence which I have some doubts:

>And I think they have already reached the point of no return.

Hu YaoBang said exactly the same in 1986. But still we have 1989. Chinese
people always make wonders --  following a few leaders (or liars) millions
may destroy themselves. Based on past, I doubt this though I hope it is
true.
From: xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: (none)
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:57:18 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


	Hi :     
	How many gold medals have we got , 7 or 8 ?
	One more Judo gold medal ?
	I need a confirmation.
	Why couldn't I get the rec.sport.olympics group from
	my terminal ?
	Any help will be appreciated.

	============================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cheng@sol.ral.rpi.edu (Wei-Ying Cheng)
Subject: A question about NJSTAR21
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:43:59 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:Question about NJSTAR21
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Keywords: 

Hi, Guys! I have a question about NJSTAR21. I got this from ahkucs by
ftp and unziped it by unzip41 on Unix. After I load it on my PC, it
does not work. Could anyone tell me why? Can I use unzip41 to unzip
this software on Unix? I appreciate a lot if anyone could help me.

Send message to cheng@ral.rpi.edu

Thanks a lot!

--Weiying



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liu9yong@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re: Wang, Yifu won the forth gold medal for China
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:19:03 GMT

In article <92210.092415U59767@uicvm.uic.edu> U59767@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Wang Yifu won a gold medal in men's pistol today.
>This is his second medal in three days.
>He also won a siver medal on Sunday.

I was told that he was using some secret drugs (Qi Li Yan - thousand-mile eyes)
which should have been banned from Olympiad! :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:24:09 GMT

In article <131286@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <9207231916.AA04486@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>->
>->          I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
>->          see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 
>->
>->          I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
>->          think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
>->          and lively.  
>
>I disagree with you.  Her characters are very fictitious.  The stories
>are usually out of touch with reality.
>
>Her stories are very moving though.  They will be greatly enjoyed by
>dreamers.  I read over a dozen of her books (quite a while back, I was
>a dreamer then :-).  Later I discovered Yi4 Shu1's books.  Her stories
>are much more close to reality, nothing fancy.
>

You are absolutely right (I mean the part about QY's books). That is why
I called her books drugs---additive but creating so many daydreamers.


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From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: China News
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:39:00 GMT

zzang@whale.stat.ufl.edu (Zhuo Zang) writes:


>7/29:
>Last night ABC news, China has signed a contract with the big three 
>auto-makers worth of $130 million for auto parts supplies by the 
>end of this year. I am very glad to hear this news. Our homeland's
>economy looks very strong to be able to do such a big trade with US, 
>and certainly, it will also be benificial to the US.
>Another news I got from the People's Daily, is about a contract with 
>Chevron for providing compressor oil for the airplanes, and this 
>contract will last for many years.
>God bless you, China.

This proved that China's reform will benefit America. I admire Mr. Bush's
farsight.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:09:44 GMT

In article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu> xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu 
(Xiaowu Zhu) writes:

   Hello netters :
     I kept on reading articles in this news group about Olympic
     games. A lot of complaints, a lot of unsatisfactions on 
     how NBC reported the games on TV. 
     Who care it ?
     Who care what you think about their reports ?
     Here is America, not China. Americans only are interested in
     their victories in Olympic games. 

My friend, you underestimate us, I think.  Or at least, I hope.  

                                       Why should they spend time
     watching other countries' victories in the games ?

Because the glory of the victories falls first upon the shoulders of 
the PERSON who triumphs, and only second upon their country.  It is 
the PERSON who undergoes the hardship and pain of arduous training.  
It is the PERSON who gives their all in the competition.  It is the 
PERSON who re-forges his or her body and spirit.  

     Nobody invites you to come here. You can see what you want
     to see about the Olympic games on TV in your (our) own
     country. Why are you(we) here in America ?
     Americans --- the people of this country have right to see
     what they want to see on TV in their own country.

The problem is, the networks think they know what Americans want to see, 
when often, they are wrong.  The networks don't listen, and they don't 
learn.  

They are also irresponsible as nine kinds of Hell.

     Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And as such, you have the RIGHT to be treated decently by your hosts!  

As an AMERICAN, I feel NBC's jingoistic 'coverage' of the Barcelona 
Olympics STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN !!

     I pray for the victories of China Olympic team.

May the best atheletes win .. and who cares where they came from !

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
  301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |            Obi-Wan Stallman
From: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:55:44 GMT
Reply-To: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Jul27.164312.2040@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com  
writes:
> In article <NlS-axB@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)  
writes:
> >In article <1992Jul24.144639.123534@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>  
exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu 
> >(Edwin X. Li) writes:
> >>
> >>apparently you haven't follow jchen's posting closely.
> >>this guy is a delusioned ultranationalist who has in
> >>his spare time devised a military plan to invade tawan
> >
> >I have no intention to deny I am a nationalist. President
> >Lincoln is a nationalist. He had successfully defended
> >the United States and made this country a great country. 
> >If TIers dare to seperate our country, I have no hasitation 
> >to follow President Lincoln and send them to tomb.
> 
> So......, You would be like President Lincoln. Let me as you some questions.
> 
> (1) Lincoln was a president - are you? 
> 
> (2) Lincoln was elected by people from the north as well as the south - are 
>     chinese who want to punish TIer's elected by Taiwanese?
> 
> (3) The purpose of Lincoln's Civil War was to free the slaves from the south  
-
>     what is the rulers of the blue ants want to do with Taiwanese?
> 
> (4) Lincoln was assasinated after the Civil War - are you willing to follow  
the
>     same path?
> 
> (5) Lincoln was a great President in the US history - are you?
> 
> (6) America was a unified country before the Civil War - are Taiwan (ROC) and 
>     China (prc) the same country?  
> 
> TIer's are not trying to sepatrate your country. In fact, they don't even  
want to
> deal with your country. They are dealing with the KMT.

Ridiculous logics!!! Let's wait and see if the TIer's will realize their
fancy dreams.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:20:16 GMT

In article <199207222253.AA03772@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>My feeling is that there are a lot of Mao-admirers around, but why
>nobody comments on FuTian Incident?
>
>My conclusion so far is that FuTian Incident indicates that Mao might
>have become a ganster from a young revolutionary as early as 1930.
>
>What do you think?

When we evaluate a historical figure, we should not use fictionally
"high" moral standard. The most important thing is that
what he did to China. Not how he did it, even though that is important
too.
At the time, winning was the ultimate goal for their cause,
Inorder to pursue the cause in the way you consider to be the best, and
somebody else is on the way. You should remove the obsticle by any means.
Ofcause, it is better to be "moral". Otherwise you did a disservice to 
the cause. That should be true especially when millions of Chinese
people's wellbeing was on stake.
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:00:28 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Jul23.174822.16756@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
> 
> 	Seems that we are heading the right direction in this thread...  :-)  
> I received a msg. this morning from a netter who pointed out that the
> mistake may be that what TIME meant is China has only 60 Olympic standard
> sized swimming pools.  I don't know about the fact on this one, but seems
> reasonable to me...

It depends on how you define the "olynpic" standard.

For me, it means the size & depth of the pool, 50 m long and reasonably deep. 
I know for sure that almost all the pools in China are designed as 50 m long. 
In fact, I have not seen one in China that is not 50 m long.

If the standard includes such facilities as electronic timing/videoing
equipment, I guess there are not even 60 such pools in the world (to be
exagerrated of course).  But you don't really need an olympic standard pool to
train for the Olympic Games, do you?

Therefore, the original author's point of view is not reasonable for me.

J. Yuan
From: zuo@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Li Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: one more gold medal from Judo
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:17:47 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

One more gold medal today for China ( 
besides Fu MingXia's one). It was from
womwn's Judo.
From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:26:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Jul28.192610.18900
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Jul28.085017.24547@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, song@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Song Cui) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.225602.29323@serval.net.wsu.edu> hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu) writes:
|> >|> I read this from World Journal: Why Chines won the Champaign Math
|> >|> Olympic? because they spent 365 days a year in math. Well for a loser,
|> >|> there is always something to say.
|> 
|> >If it was true (very likely), I would feel sorry for those kids. They would
|> >have missed one of the best time of their lives.
|> 
|>    But I do feel sorry for the "all confident" american kids -- they spend
|> the best of their time trying out various drugs and having sex --
|> when they cann't count numbers, they say something else.

Agree. I don't like to see someone go to extreme.

-- 
H.J.
Gcc/libc maintainer for Linux.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Let them play the notorious game. Re: Chinese Protection Bill
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:07:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.164520.27888@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dtc9h@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Thomas Croft) writes:
>Regarding the `Chinese Protection Bill' and those who are 
>misrepresenting it and who use scar tactics to silence opposition:

Those "credit-card-hunters" are seeking a GREAT cause by using political 
means. I am tired of seeing those ugly ADVERTISEMENT stuffs flashing all 
the time in this two chinese groups. 

>Expressing an opinion regarding a piece of legislation is not a crime --
>especially if the President of the United States agrees with you opposition
>to S1216. A number of Congressman also have doubts about the bill and are
>attempting to kill it. The FBI are not political police nor are the CIA. 
>(Incidentally, the former CIA Director, George Bush, is unhappy with the
>bill himself.) 

Bush knows China and our chinese well, that's why some chinese political 
babies hate him these days, since he simply doesn't allow some ugly things 
go their ways.

>The BILL (S1216) DOES NOT INCREASE the QUOTA for Chinese nationals. It
>just favors one group over another. READ THE BILL! Everyone who gets
>a blood card takes away a card from someone else.
>             -----------------------------------
>Lobbying does make a difference. Don't let the few who know how to play
>politics rob the many.

Many American people have already known what's going on inside these people's
hearts. The notorious annoucement by an "independent" organization describes
itself too well: Hatians are a threat for them to get the CARDS.

    Let these people enjoy their human right: playing tivial game before 
American people. Fortunately, many American people know the truth. Let's
watch the show together with the Olmpic Games. :-(

    Have more fun.

Flame )------> zzuo@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzhang@central.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NBC insulting
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:41:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

"NBC coverage is an insult to our intelligence!". These words were not
from any non-American, or non-professional. These were angrily said by the 
sportscaster on Channel 11, New Yor area. Last night in the news, when
referring to NBC not showing a non-American gold medalist(maybe a
German), the  sportscaster said, more or less like this, "when she won
a gold, I want to know how she looks like! I want to know her 
emotions! No, not even ONE picture, not a word about her! NBC coverage
is an insult to our intelligence!". And the anchors of the news nodded
in agreement.  Well, it looks like NBC coverage does stink, not only
in the eyes of a foreinger but also in the eyes of Americans and
professionals! What a failure!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:25:19 +1000

In response to my claim that the PRC was severely embarrased in its military
action against Vietnam in 1979, Yuanhui Liu writes:

>They are beaten in the same sense that the US was beaten in Vietnam.  It's
>not like that the Vietnamese recovered all that territories by themselves.  The
>withdrawl was badly organized, one of the Chinese commander was a idiotic
>die-hard Maoist ex-monk.  He was in command 'cause old Deng knows that he's
>going to fail so he get rid of him.  Although the soldiers are
>miserable, if Deng decides to push forward instead of retreat, there is almost
>no chance Hanoi can be hold since all the fortresses are captured, there
>is very few Vietnamese troops to defend it.

>True the PLA is not a excellent fighting forces and its equipments are
>out-dated.  Paper Tiger might be an overstatement.  Remember America's
>worst defeat since the battle of Bugle in WWII until today?  It's
>when Peng DeHuai kicked MacArthur's butt so all the way back to S. Korea from
>the YaLu river in the winter of 1950, and he did it with the same
>inmeptitude PLA, and 1/3 of them are KMT turncoats.

I couldn't agree more.  The US also suffered a humuliating defeat at the hands
of the Vietnamese, one which they are still trying to come to terms with even
today.  Also, the US suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the PLA
during the famous PLA's crossing of the YaLu River.

Your comments, however,  seem to imply that you believe I am an American 
citizen, and contacting this network through a US server.  I am writing this
message from Tasmania, Australia, not somewhere in the US.  So, whenever you
critcise the US's defeat at the hands of the Vietnamese, you are not
criticising me.  Although Australian forces also participated in the Vietnam
and Korean Wars, we here have gotten over the shame of losing one war and the
stalemate in the other.  In fact, the Australian government is pouring huge
amounts of aid into Vietnam, helping them to reconstruct their wartorn country. 
It was the Australian government which also thought of the current formula for
peace in Cambodia.  So, while the US still sulks at its humiliating loss in the
Vietnam War and denies funds to Vietnam to help its economy and people,
Australia is at the vanguard of world support for peace and prosperity in
Indochina.

In fact, the PRC has also recently realised the folly of its ways and is
mending its fences with the Vietnamese government, and in so doing,
admitting its past errors.

In my original letter, I was responding to the claim that the PLA was
victorious in its adventurism into Vietnam in 1979.  This is simply outrageous
and one which cannot be ignored.  A concept that you have already shown
agreement with.

Andrew Papadimos      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu)
Subject: test
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:55:00 CDT

This is only a test.Sorry.
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Life (was Re: Recent Research)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:47:58 GMT


In <130872@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
writes:

>Any way, does anyone really know the meaning of life?

Chiang Kai-shek apparently did, he said:

     Sheng1Ming4[life] De0 Mu4Di4[goal] Zai4 Chuang4Zao4[create]
	Yu3Zhou4[world] Ji4Qi3[continuously arising] De0
	Sheng1Ming4[life]
      (The purpose of life is to continue the lives in the world.)

     Sheng1Ming4[Life] De0 Yi4Yi4[meaning] Zai4
	Zeng1Jin4[improve] Ren2Lei4[people] Quan2Ti3[all] De0
	Sheng1Huo2[living standard]
      (The meaning of life is to improve the quality of lives of people.)

And Confucius apparently did not know the meaning of life. He said:

     Bu4 Zhi1 Sheng1, Yan1 Zhi1 Si3.
      (I don't even know the meaning of life, how could I know
       what's after death?)
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qiong Yao's Books
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:16:02 GMT

Tuya wrote:
          Pan Tingli and Lix says:  QY and Lan Hua Cao3 has niang2
          niang2 qiang1.

          On the contrary, LHC was written by Hu2 Shi4, the inventor
          of modern Chinese and 5/4 movement.

          It belongs to the "campus song" in Taiwan, sorta like Peng2
          Hu2 Wan1 and Oliver tree.

Sorry for my ignorance of this, I thought that is yours. But that does
not change the fact that QY and Lan Hua Cao3 has niang2 niang2 qiang1.
Many of Hu's poems and his personality, have some niang2 niang2 qiang1,
though I respected him as one of the best scholars in this century.
From: jli@broxton.math.ucla.edu (Jun Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:28:05 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

I gather when Time says "China has only 60 swimming pools", it means that
China has only 60 swimming pools that can hold international swimming
competition. Certainly there are thousands recreation swimming pools and
a lot of non-standardized swimming pools in China. Well, even millions of
"big holes on the ground with water--if you call them pools".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: A Healthy China Re: Gold, silver and Spratly
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:26:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.235506.12145@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>China shouldn't be attracted into a trap, at a time when US troops
>are not welcomed in many countiries there. US is trying to get back
>its influence in that region. The US company who is willing to drill 
>oil with China may just be a bait. This issue is so complicated that a 
>conclusion is very difficult to be reached. 

Fully agree. First the US company asked China to protect them
for drilling oil (Why don't they ask US Navy for protection?),
then came this James Baker to protect other sides. It is really
a trap. Be careful about it.

>>...(Some comments about Family Li's internal affairs, between Xiao Li
>>    and Lao Li, are deleted.) :-)

Lao Li has died, I think you meant Zhong Li :-).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Zhi Cheng Zhu <u9112081@cc.uow.edu.au>
Subject: u9112081
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:15:13 EST





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