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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Keywords: Deja vu all over again.
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 12:51:25 EDT

	I seem to remember this argument going on, oh, twenty years ago or so,
as to who was the greatest center of all time: Bill Russell or Wilt 
Chamberlain. (Kareem hadn't been mentioned in that class yet, as he had only
been in the league for a couple of years) 
	People said "Oh, Russell only scored sixteen points a game, and even
though he got twenty-some rebounds a game, Wilt got more." And people said
"Oh, Wilt only won one title while Russ was in the league. He wasn't a winner."
	Fact is, both of these players were by far the greatest at what they
did.  Wilt was a scorer.  Averaging 30.1 points per game over 14 years in the
NBA is an incredible achievement.  Russ was possibly the greatest defensive
player that the NBA had ever seen.  Stats don't show that, though, and most of
the people who don't put Russ in the same league as Wilt never saw either man
play.
	In 1980, the Professional Basketball Writers' Association of America
voted Bill Russell as the "Greatest Player in the History of the NBA." 

	Now, what does this have to do with Mike, Larry, and Earvin?  Well,
a goodly number of parallels exist in the two arguments.  Jordan is Wilt. 
Magic and Bird are Russell (Hmm... all three are 6'9, too. :-)) Jordan's
game is one more readily appreciated without watching him play than Magic and
Bird's.  That is not to say that watching Jordan play isn't a treat.  It is,
just as was watching Wilt play.  It's just that you have to watch Larry and
Magic to fully appreciate their games.  If all you had was an NBA Register in
your hand, it would be a hands-down choice of Mike, just like it would be the
same for Wilt.
	My point is that the argument is one that cannot be 'proven'.  I think
that Bill Russell is the greatest center of all time, because of the way that
he dominated the league in his 13 years.  Others disagree.  I can't 'prove'
that my point is right, and neither can they.  While substantive arguments can
be made, none are absolutely conclusive.
	The discussion here demonstrates that.  Everyone has brought up 
excellent points, but none are absolutely conclusive.  The debate will go on
forever.  And I think that's good for the game of basketball.

			- Dev



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: thanks ed and dave
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.132114.20133@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.020813.22869@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>Well, Dave had tried this stunt N times in the past, claiming he would
>>stop on a thread and then eating his words right away. Just a month ago,
>>he claimed that "it's time this thread stopped", and went ahead to
>>post 28 articles on the same thread.  Why would it be anything different 
>>this time?
>
>N = 2.  And, just a month ago, I didn't say I would stop, just that the
>thread should.  This time I said I am stopping, and I did. 

Here we go again....
How do you make a rule in r.s.b.p?  I want to make one.

    REC.SPORT.BASKETBALL.PRO Rule #1:

	Ed Lor and Dave Meeks may not respond to any post that the
	other has already replyed to.

Fill free to make your own.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Utah Jazz
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:12:52 GMT

In article <MedX=WG00awCMItkMM@andrew.cmu.edu> Daniel Reid Helsten <dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone out there have any info on the Jazz?  Their lineup?  How are
>they supposed to do this year?  It looks like the west will be more
>exiting than ever with Barkley on the Suns.  Now he and Malone can play
>each other twice as much.

No info, but a question.  Do you think that the refs let more contact
go on in the eastern conference than out west?  I think that they do.
If this is true, this could negatively affect Charles next season be-
cause he may find himself in foul trouble moreso than before.  I will
be interested in watching how this develops.
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:52:55 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep2.201536.18442@unx.ucc.okstate.edu> u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery) writes:
>>>
>>>85-86  o Only played 18 games due to injury 
>What kind of injury did he have that year?  I don't remember him missing
>a season...

Broke his foot against the Warriors in the OAkland Coliseum, early in
the 1st quarter. I was there, half price night in the $7.00 seats so
for $3.50 each we got in, slowly crept closer to the court without the
ushers booting us, and then settled in to watch Michael do his stuff,
and then he got hurt. You can't get those seats nowadays.





Russ Smith
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                                  Steve Martin
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: All-Everything Busts (was: Re: Lloyd Daniels (was Re: Spurs Update))
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:42:50 GMT
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO


wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:

>This may be jumping the gun a little bit, but how about Ed O'Bannon (UCLA)?

Oh c'mon, how could you let gARy break into your account?  He gets
enough chances to bash ol' Ed (as GarY calls him) in the .college group.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lloyd Danielsd (was Re: Spurs Update)
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:02:02 GMT

In article <55888@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> college player. Kevin Walls would probably make the list too(former
> LSU recruit).

How's this for bad netiquette, i"m following my own post. Yes that 
should say Louisville recruit, not LSU. I was talking to a coworker
at the time I wrote that, he is a LSU alum(very concerned about
Lousisiana with the hurricane) and my brain cramped and wrote LSU.




Russ Smith
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for it back again when it begins to rain."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Charlotte/Orlando
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.014807.8690@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
 
>In article <Btv9L8.Iqy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe) writes:
>>my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong Orlando fans) is that Orlando CAN'T
>>trade Roberts for four years.
>
>The No-trade clause in the offer sheet was for one year.  However, Roberts has
>the right to waive the clause if he wants to.  He undoubtedly will (or already
>has) because he is protected by a clause in the free-agency rules that states
>that a restricted free agent whose original team retains his rights by meeting
      ==========================================================================
>an offer sheet may not be traded for one-year without his consent.  The
 ==================================================================
 
>no-trade clause means nothing to Roberts after Orlando matches Dallas' offer.
>Dallas has no legal standing in the matter.
>
>Tom@Orlando
>
This is not true.  The matching team cannot trade the player to the
team that extended the offer sheet.  They can trade him to anyone else
in the league.
 
Here is what Roberts has to say (from "Daily Briefing" in today's
Denver Post:
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Orlando Magic center Stanley Roberts exercised a contractual right that
killed a trade that would have sent Roberts and New York guard Mark
Jackson to the Los Angeles Clippers, Charles Smith, Bo Kimble ans Doc
Rivers from the Clippers to the Knicks and three 1993 first-round draft
picks -- two owned by the Clipers plus New York's -- to the Magic.
 
Roberts was a restricted free agent this summer, and the Dallas
Mavericks made him a five-year, $15 million offer that included a
clause prohibiting a trade during the next year.  The Magic matches the
offer Aug. 7.
 
"They told me and the public when they signed me they weren't going to
trade me," Roberts said.  "They took me from a team I wanted to go to,
and now they want to jerk me around.
 
"They should have let me go (to Dallas).  They can offer how many deals
they want.  I'm staying this year.  Whether they play me or hold this
against me, that's fine.  They can sit me on the bench ... I just don't
like the way all this was handled.  I don't like being treated like a
piece of meat."
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Looks like Orlando could have *big* problems this year.
 
Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all? (was Re: Predictions)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:29:48 GMT

In article <l9ndehINN35h@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.155210.11728@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>|>In article <1992Aug25.192309.7676@cc.umontreal.ca>, iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>|>|> Milwaukee             Good beer
>|                          ^^^^^^^^^
>|   At least we something going for us!
>|
>
>Not!  Name one good beer produced in Milwaukee.
>
    How 'bout Miller? Or the much underrated Pabst?
From: roy@ecgcurly.UUCP (ecghub   Roy Kern)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Summary: Oh, this is unbiased...
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:10:35 GMT
Organization: Motorola Cellular Cad Group

In article <1992Aug21.144826.5483@das.harvard.edu>, vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
> In the immortal words of Red Auerbach (I think it was Red) :
> 
> "The NBA will see another Michael Jordan long before it sees another Larry Bird."
> or Magic Johnson for that matter....
> 
> -- Venk --

This is a beaut.  I can't imagine a more unbiased opinion....

Roy.
roy@mot.com
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: UNLV Flashback (Was Re: Spurs Update)
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:26:31 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <BtnG99.2AM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
<
<	What's the status on former UNLV and Final -4 MVP Anderson
<	Hunt?  He was always a Tark favorite.  Does he have any chance
<	at making the Spurs?
<
<	Jazzy J
<
<	"Johnson grabs the rebound -- tosses up to Anthony on the break,
<	it's a 3 on 2... Anthony guns a one handed pass to Hunt stationed
<	on the side for 3... swish..."

        Better still is the following:

        "Johnson has the ball behind the 3 pt. line -- Laettner's off
         him -- He starts to shoot, but know it's back out to Hunt, time's
         running down, he launcehs the desperation 3. It's no good.  It's
         over, It's over, Duke has done it!"


-- 
Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC
   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
From: burt@summa.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Michael Irvin's Contract????
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: summa.4SEP199213052817
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep4.141105.19636@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes...
>Any news on how far apart the Cowboys and Michael Irvin are????
>Is it possible he might play this week or next????
>Email me answers....
>Thanks in advance!!!
>Chris....


Since when did this group become rec.sport.football.pro?????
I'm baffled, please fill me in.  Actually, I read this morning that he was
still holding out.  He'll miss the Redskins game.  

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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:57:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug28.145753.22757
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug28.015725.1365@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:

|> note this...
|> 
|> lucian J. Longley : college star for new mexico, drafted 7th in NBA last
|> season, and is now playing in the NBA with the minessotta t-wolves.

And not very well, we should add... mediocre at best.

|> 
|> andrew vlahov: an illustrious carreer, playing for stanford as captain
|> in his last year and taking them to the famous, NIT tournament and
|> winning. got offers from the LA Lakers, but turned them down, for a $1
|> million dollar contract with the Perth Wildcats (aust) in the NBL.

NIT? if he was so incredible, why not the NCAA? Not to dis NIT teams, but
it doesn't impress me too much. Besides, I don't remember Stanford ever
winning the NIT. DId it happen?

PS: $1 mil? For how many years?

|> 
|> australia, was well and capable of defeating the USA, and giving them
|> the biggest nightmare, just australia needs a new direction from now to
|> atlanta and for sydney 2000, a new coach, and assistant, some new youth
|> (lots of it that aust. aren't using) and inject some more class into
|> australia's team, by playing more international games, and showing how
|> good australia really is....

So what you are sayng it Au needs a new everything. Sounds like they are
a few men short of DT material. C'mon... you don't ACTUALLY THINK the
Australians could have come CLOSE to the DT to you? Perhaps they could have
given them a better fight -- hell, the US women's team could have given them
a better fight -- hell the US women's gymnastics team probably could have
done as well or better than some of the teams (no flames... all in good fun),
but there is no way in hell that they could have been beaten by Longley &co.
From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD KICK DT!
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:54:26 GMT
Organization: University of Western Australia

HERE ARE SOME VALID REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD BEAT THE USA TEAM THAT
COMPETED IN BARCELONA, COMMONLY KNOW AS THE DREAM TEAM (PROBABLY BECAUSE
THEY'RE ALL HALF ASLEEP?)

1. AUSTRALIA BEAT PUERTO RICO BY 40 POINTS, THE USA COULD ONLY MANAGE A
MEAGRE 38 POINTS..... AND AUSTRALIA DIDN'T PLAY ITS STAR PLAYERS MUCH IN
THE SECOND HALF...

2. THE NBA DOES NOT ALLOW A ZONE DEFENCE.... ONLY MAN TO MAN... HENCE WE
COULD EXPLOIT THIS INABLILITY ON THE PART OF THE USA..... AND AUSTRALIA
HAS BEEN PROVEN AS A VERY EFFICENT DEFENCIVE TEAM...

3. EGO: THE USA THINK THEY ARE ALMIGHTY , ARE THEY REALLY? THEY ARE JUST
12 MEN OF WHICH FIVE PLAY ON A BASKETBALL COURT AT ANY ONE TIME, AS DOES
AUSTRALIA, BEING TO LAX AND THINKING THEY ARE GREAT COULD SPELL THEIR
LOSS.

4. TEAM? IS THE USA A TEAM? I DONT THINK SO, IT IS JUST A GROUP OF NBA
ALL STARS WITH GREAT INDIVIDUAL TALENT, BUT NOT MUCH TEAM TALENT, JUST
TELL ME HOW LONG HAS THAT TEAM BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER FOR, AND FOR HOW
MANY GAMES....

AUSTRALIA ON THE OTHER HAND IS A TEAM, WHICH MANG
From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: Charlotte/Orlando
Summary: mourning/roberts
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:27:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In response to a few recent inquiries:

The Charlotte Hornets are moving toward signing Alonzo Mourning. Apparently
the first step was the successful negotiation of a contract extension for
Tyrone Muggsy Bogues, which freed up some immediate (or future) money for
Mourning.

The Boston Sunday Globe NBA review (Jackie McMullan) indicates that there
isn't a whole lot of harmony between Stanley Roberts and Shaquille O'Neal.
Couple that with O'Neal's recent comment that he didn't want to play a 
"twin towers" power forward role, and you have to get the impression that
something may still be in the works for a Roberts trade (but probably NOT
before the season begins). The fundamental hitch here is, of course, way
too much money for most teams to consider. I smell trouble with the Magic.

                                          -stuart@apollo.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: lakers
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:36:08 GMT

ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:

>   With the probable return of Magic, this team will be stronger and
>     quicker than before.  With the addition of James Edwards, they can
>     either play a power ball game inside, with Vlade, edwards, and Perkins
                                                 ^^^^^
Vlade?  Power game?

>     or they can play a more faster, fluid games with worthy,Campell, and
>     of course A.C. Green.

Age is taking its toll on Worthy. He is not worthy of 3-4 years ago.

>      In the backcourt, the lakers will perhaps be
>      the deepest of any team, with Magic and Scott starting.

Only if Magic can play both guard positions while Scott is watching.

>      The second
>      backcourt unit would consist of Sedale Threatt and Anthony Peeler,
>      the rookie who will bring explosive scoring punch,
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You mean explosive punch, right?    :-)

    --mack
From: gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:24:56 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering

In article <1992Aug28.154508.13100@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <matthew.714953218@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>According to today's LA Times, ESPN is about to sign a contract to 
>>broadcast the NHL.  The would put the NHL on ESPN, but not the NBA.

>By the way, did the Times say how much the NHL is going to pay ESPN to show
>the games?

Negitive $80 Million.

Peter
From: ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Glenn Huegle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Danny Ferry - Did he err?
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:41:39 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


     According to the Akron Beacon Journal, this year the Cavs plan to
seriously expand Ferry's role during the season, but just enough to see
what he can do.  I'm sure the fact that Nance is no spring chicken will
get him some time for sure.  The Cavs brass wouldn't go as far as saying
this is a make or break year for Ferry, but they came pretty close.  I
think that going to Italy so he wouldn't have to play on bad team wasn't
really a mistake because no matter what, he never would have been a
superstar.  Now he has a chance to contribute on a championship
contender (and he will get a chance) while if he played for a loser he
would have been an average player on an average team.  He would have
more playing time, better scoring statistics, and probably even more
money on another team, but in the long run his career probably would
have been less meaningful.  Ask Dennis Johnson if he would have rather
played for a lesser team than the Celtics of the 80's.  I doubt it.
					Chris
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:40:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.194006.1089
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug26.181124.22464@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe) writes:


|> >the credit that they earned, and (not directed toward you), I am sick of
				      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|> >hearing people say that Larry would have been a nobody had he been white,
|> >and I am sick of hearing people say Magic and Bird got lucky by entering
|> >the NBa when they did or they would never have been legends. Perhaps you
|> >should go back to the 80's and watch these two play before making these
|> >statements... 
|> 
|> >-- Venk --
|> 
|> 
|> Granted, Venk, I haven't been following this thread religiously, but I
|> feel you come out a bit strong in your criticism. As you state, Andrew
|> is entitled to his opinion. But, I don't see that he's belittling Bird or
|> Johnson to lift up Jordan.
|> 

As I explained in an earlier post, this was not directed at him directly, but
those who started this lovely thread.

|> I read Andrew's letter explaining what describes Michael Jordan (as far
|> as film clips go.)
|> 
|> THEN.,....THEN....he goes on to say (as I have 'underlined' above), 'we
|> won't EVER see another Michael, Larry, or Magic...etc
|> 

This too was addressed earlier.

|> 
|> Finally, Venk, if you are going to rant and rave against another person
|> for racist remarks or for something else he said, please include the
|> statement attributing it to that person very clearly (your note did not)
|> otherwise you might offend people by your apparently misguided retort.
|> [I'll just assume you are having a bad day.] (It appears to me that
|> Andrew didn't belittle Bird and Johnson, or make racist remarks...at
|> least in his most recent note. If he did, accept my apologies, Venk)
|> 

See what I have "underlined" above?
None of the hostilities were meant to be so toward Andrew, and yes I AM having 
a bad day, but yes, I did mean to sound somewhat harsh (perhaps not as harsh as
I was) because of those who chose to start this strand by belittling Bird...
primarily, those who said something to the effect of: "Bird is retiring... Big
deal. He wasn't that good anyway. He was just famous cuz he was white." To
clear something up, THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARD YOU OR ANDREW. This is directed
in general to those who have chosen to post such statements and personal email
me flames that say something to the effect of: "Your opinions are senseless
and stupid if you think Bird was great for any other reason than that he was 
white." Of course, for netiquette, I won't mention WHO they were, but they are
out there, and they are reading these posts...

Besides, such statements are unecessary, especially when Boston people have
just been hit with the loss of at least the greatest Celtic, never mind the
rest of the NBA. So, I hope this clears something up... and no offense to those
of you this doesn't apply to...

|> Cheers....
|> 
|> Mike
|> millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com