HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ahansfor@hongkong.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: level of upgrade (was Re:Games ...)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Aug6.184600.1898@utstat.uucp> <34210@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:36:23 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Aug 92 20:05:13 GMT, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) said:

daveh> A computer can enforce a level of upgrade
daveh> every now and then -- computer folks expect it and understand
daveh> why its necessary.

Ha Ha HA Ha Ha

After reading this group you think people understand why. ;^)

No offense to those who do understand why.

This is .advocacy aka .commodore.is.screwing.us.

We want the best technology last year and it better damned well be
plug in compatible. (grumble grumble) Otherwise C= is a lousy company
and I'm getting a 386.  So take that.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: C= Financial Results
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:40:43 GMT

In article <torrie.714291031@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>  I guess MB hasn't read the news today; otherwise he'd be posting.
>
>  Just to summarise, Commodore's stock dropped around 25% today
>to $6.785 after reporting a loss of $21.9 million for the 
>4th quarter of 92.  Revenues were $140.7 million for the quarter, 
>and $911 million for the year (down from $1.05 billion in 1991).
>

	I just read it myself, and that is why I called the USENET this
early. Well, I am sure that their stock may be headed upwards if CBM also
announces new machines next month. Then they may even become one of the top
20 gainers, as they have been a few times in recent months.

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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: a3000-040 hiya dave!
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:37:56 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug14.1076.26308@dosgate> "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com> writes:

>About 5 months ago I posted a message to you asking if it was possible to
>enliminate the 030 and 882 on the motherboard and simply use plug in boards
>in the CPU-slot so that the 030/882 wouldn't be wasted when you upgraded to
>a new processor. You agreed that it was a good Idea and that you had
>thought of doing it yourself. 

Yup, it's simply a PAL change on either A3000 motherboard.

>So my question is, is the 040 in the A3000-040 the only processer on board? 

Yup.

>and if so, is it on the motherboard or in the CPU-slot?

CPU slot.  There's really no logic to leaving the '030 in place on such a
system, it's just money you'd have to spend for no real benefit.  On the A2500,
the cost of the 68000 wasn't enough to worry about, and there was some pretty
reasonable utility in letting the 68000 back-in for development purposes and
the occasional mis-behaved game.  For A3000's, you need a 68000 system for
testing anyway if you're a developer, so there's little sense in an '030 
dropback mode.

Strangely enough, it seems trendy in the PC Clone business to build systems
just like this -- no motherboard processor, you pick the CPU of choice for
your CPU slot.  Macs haven't done that yet, though their "Processor Direct"
slots are kind of a CPU/Coprocessor slot clone, only with steps taken to
make processor upgrades there difficult.

>    Thomas Napier

Any relation to Jack?


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: s37732v@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Aug17.121502.10788@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:07:04

In article <1992Aug17.121502.10788@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

   >>Very little software breaks on the A600.  VERY little.

   >WHO is lieing you or Amiga Format magazine?? 30-40% is LITTLE?!


I recall that Amiga Format is a game magazine. It may be true that
many games don't work with A600, but I doubt that this is the case
with productivity software, such as text editors, compilers, WP's and
such.

And I suspect that many ST games will fail in Falcon too. Maybe
productivity software won't but games do.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:08:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.070319.3600@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.155242.16777@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>
>	[ stuff deleted ] 
>>>
>>>Ignoring the fact that the discussion is shifting, let me point out that
>>>I see no reason why a 386 Bridgeboard solution with a SoundBlaster board
>>>installed wouldn't run Wing Commander with full SoundBlaster support.  So
>>>by your own critera, then, an Amiga running OS 2.04 with a bridgeboard
>>>has the feature of being able to run Dos/Windows binaries *completely*.
>>>
>	This is all fine and dandy but, the Bridgeboard only supports
>	CGA/MDA as standard (the 386sx may have EGA monochrome).  And
>	I do not believe Commodore couldn't make it support VGA 16 color
>	if they so desired (Any Commodore folks want to comment on the
>	technical feasibility of this?).  Anyway if Wing Commander does
>	not support CGA then the BB equiped Amiga won't display the game
>	withpout a VGA card and monitor.
>
>	Suggestion for third party developer:  Make a VGA card for the
>	video slot (or PC slot) that has an Amiga video pass through
>	connection (via ribbon cable) to allow both computers to use the 
>	same monitor.  The displays could be switched by a 'hot key.'
>
>	Gosh, I feel like I'm backing Jerry, against the Amiga.
>	How depressing :-(
>
>> 
Surely you know that one can place a VGA board in the ISA slot, hook up to
a VGA compatable monitor and have fun.  I was talking about capability,
not whether or not it is asthetically pleasing.  Yes, I would like VGA
support with PCWindows such that it would be an option.  Only those with
VGA compatable monitors need turn the option on.  However, perhaps Commodore
doesn't feel that this is a cost effective solution since VGA cards are so
cheap but it would be nice...

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **


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From: sjc28473@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Joseph Chmura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM486 vs Amiga040
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:09:02 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dleland@nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:

>I was interested in the post asking about speed comparisons. I would ask;
>according to what standard is one faster than the other? If you had both
>machines running at 25mhz, then which would be faster? In terms of
>MIPS, Megaflops, Dhrystones, etc.? 

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May I suggest reading the archives for the last 6 months.

>Darrell Leland                              //
>dleland@nmsu.edu                 ()=========>>=========================--
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>"There is no absolute truth, and that is absolutely true..."  
-- 
  "Given enought time the impossible becomes possible, the possible probable,
	and the probable inevitable..." - George Wald - "The Origin of Life"
	Steven Chmura /////////  University of Chicago School of Medicine (M1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.041448.24192@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.163011.16888@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>>
>>>Question for OS/2 experts:  Is it possible to set up a "virtual workspace",
>>>larger than the screen, that automatically scrolls (smoothly) as the mouse is
>>>dragged past the edge of the screen in OS/2?

Yes and no.  I've seen a Windows utility that does something similar
though.  It provides a metaphor of up to 8X8 grid of 'virtual screens'.
It isn't smooth scrolling.  You can manipulate windows via this grid-windows,
and seleceted any one of the windows for full screen view.  And of course,
if one window on the screen 'overlaps', or goes 

'off' the screen, its 'missing' part is on another virtual screen.
So if I put a windows on the junction of 4 grids, I can see the top left,
bottom left, top rght,and bottom right of that windows in different 
'grids'.  Got it?

And yes, even though this is a MS Windows program, it DOES work
under the OS/2 2.0 WPS-I've tried it.

>>>Can a shell window be wider than
>>>the screen, allowing the user to scroll sidewise to see wide file listing or
>>>whatever, as needed?
>>>
>>
>>Yes; this is what scrollbars are for.
>
>I know - my question was: does OS/2 have them in shell windows, as an option
>at least?

You mean in a CLI Window?  Well, yes, in a sense.  I don't think it 'goes forev
er' to the side, only as far as whatever 'mode' you're set in.  If the
window is articifically made too small, you can scoll of course.  For the 255
character filenames in OS/2 HPFS, it does an auytomatic word-wrap.
BTW, I've never been too concerned with CLI windows 'dimension' EXCEPT wrt
the number of rows.  For 'scroll back'.  Not columns. (But there is a 102
column mode, I'm sure.)

There, David, wasn't that much nicer that all that talk of dispaly
drivers, etc etc, etc??? :-)

>David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
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 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: People, CALM DOWN!
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:57:27 GMT
  <1992Aug10.071311.3987@marlin.jcu.edu.au>
  <1992Aug10.091048.11059@news.iastate.edu> <tony.713488468@ais.org>
  <63797@cup.portal.com> <34392@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>>Way back in the dark ages, CS's and EE's used to take the same
>>math; in fact, CS's took more because the last two years were all
>>different types of numerical analysis.

>I don't think most schools have EE's and CS's taking exactly the same kind of
>mathematics.

Well, I put that badly. The first two years of CS and EE were almost
identical; the EE's started getting EE courses at the end of their
2nd year. But math courses ended for an EE ended around the end of the
second year. For a CS major, the CS courses were exactly the same
as the Math courses, but were called something like CS457 instead of
M457. Same room, same time, same instructor.

>But you could get by with much different kinds of mathematics than
>went on to all the really annoying stuff that goes with field analysis,
>semiconductor physics, control theory, etc.

yes, and it drove me right out of EE. I took some CS courses, and it
was a lot more to my liking. At that time, fuzzy logic was only being
talked about, and being pioneered by a math professor of mine. That
gives you an idea of the time frame I'm talking about.

Many years later, the thought of going back to school gives me the
willies. To those going back, I can only say "better you than me"

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:00:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.232555.11204@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>Did I state ANYWHERE in the above text that you had too?? *NO* I said that 
>>OS/2 was designed to stay compatible. I still don't think that OS/2 has    
>>anywhere near the functionality of UNIX.  My reason for saying this is that
>>I have yet to see OS/2 multitask as effectively as UNIX or even AmigaDos.
>
>	What the heck does this mean?  OS2 multitasks just as effectively
>   as AmigaDos does.  Don't know about UNIX though, I don't have a lot of
>   experience with it.
>
>							G.Greene

G. Greene, you oughta point outto this people that you used to have
an Amiga, eh?

Dan the TKKC-man-
.

>
>>
>>Gregory John Casamento  --  gcasa@wam.umd.edu
>>**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
>>**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
>>**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****


--
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"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
From: kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:20:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy


Wow! This is refreshing. Real amiga.advocacy!

Let's see more of this!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.232555.11204@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>Did I state ANYWHERE in the above text that you had too?? *NO* I said that 
>>OS/2 was designed to stay compatible. I still don't think that OS/2 has    
>>anywhere near the functionality of UNIX.  My reason for saying this is that
>>I have yet to see OS/2 multitask as effectively as UNIX or even AmigaDos.
>
>	What the heck does this mean?  OS2 multitasks just as effectively
>   as AmigaDos does.  Don't know about UNIX though, I don't have a lot of
>   experience with it.
>
>							G.Greene
>

It is simply a matter of personal opinion.  I find OS/2s brand of multitasking
to be a little, well, jerky.  It is not really something I can quantify, but
I just feel more comfortable working with the Amiga's brand of multitasking.
To me it just seems to flow more easily.

-- 
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**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DIR
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:47:59 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug12.043556.6309@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au writes:
>In article 2862@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au, u2102952@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au () writes:
>>Just how fast is the fastest Amiga 3000T (-040 or what ever else) compared 
>>to an Icky Blue Muck 486/50
>
>The IBM 486/50 is slightly more powerfull , a 25 Mhz 68040 runs a bit over 19 MIPS while a 486-50 runs somewhere between 21 and 22 MIPS. As for their respective math units, I don't know the score.

Ah, you speak of the 486DX2-50Mhz Intel chip.  It run internally at 50Mhz, like the 040, and 25 mhz externally.

I beleive the full 50Mhz 486 runs a little over 40 MIPS, maybe 41-42.          



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*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Crime Re: Perot ?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:05:07 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.222134.16694@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>Ezra,
>
>It's a simple thing caled 'deterrance'.  If a person think they'll get
>severely punished for doing something nasty, they'll think twice about
>doing it.
>
>That is the essence of what Mike Haas was speaking.  Right, Mike?

A large part of it.

Some folks (most) would never, ever commit violent crime.  Our own
morality wouldn't permit it.

Some (a few) will not care about morality, but the fear of retribution
will make them keep their hands in their pockets.

The final, smallest group will be deterred by nothing.  These are the
ones that must be incarcerated and in some cases executed to keep
those in the above two groups as safe as possible.  The worst of this
group deserves no protection of law.  

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:03:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	Whats this ages?  I believe the Amiga as has maximun resolution 
>	of 640 x 400 and 16 colors out of 4096 (interlaced) since it 
>	came out.  This is roughly equivalent to EGA / VGA.  Now, how 
>	many 'ages' has PC clone systems had VGA?  Also isn't VGA 16 
>	colors out of 256 non-interlaced; 640 x 480?
> 

No, VGA is 16 colors out of 262,144 at 640x480, but you won't find any
basic VGA cards selling anymore.  Super VGA is everywhere -- most have
800x600 and 1024x768 at 256 colors out of 262,144, and many have 15-bit
direct-color support at up to 800x600.

>
>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization, only my opinions **
>
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:22:52 GMT
Organization: James Cook University

In article <1992Aug20.003046.27379@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>Any wagers on sound capabilities?

ECS Paula.

>Mark

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:34:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <l8j32qINNqqd@pollux.usc.edu>

>Yeah.  How about a standard script language that developers could rely on
>being on all machines with OS/2?

Hold on to your seat, it's there, and it's called (ta-da) REXX. Yep.
And by the way, IBM wrote REXX.

>The existing command line interface seems to be mostly a rehash of MS-DOS's.

This is non sequitur when combined with the above statement.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:32:37 GMT


In a previous article, Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins) says:

>In a message dated Sun  9 Aug 92  2:16, jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
>wrote:
>
> JY> This is LAST answer to all you insults.  GO CHANGE YOU DIAPER!!
>
>I am sorry, but this last statement made me laugh right out loud! Certainly
>improved my opinion of this Atari user. ;-)
>
>Sorry to waste bandwidth, I'll shut up now.
>
>
> -- AEd V1.36f/EvaA
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
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>
>

You shouldn't judge everyone as the same because they own a certain
product or look a certain way.

Should black people think all white people are prejudice because
one white person or a few white people treated them poorly?

Look at what happened in L.A. and across the nation after those police
officers were free.

You judge a person by that person's acts ONLY.


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