HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Re: DOS based newsreaders?
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 22:48:01 GMT

In <peter.258.702626357@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au> peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam) writes:

>I suppose that trumpet could be altered to operate from spool directories as 
>well as the normal NNTP sessions.

Hmm, is this feasible?  I've skipped looking at trumpet because there's no
chance of my getting an NNTP connection, but I *can* get the news transported
here.

>[comments about directory structures]

I would suggest  3) a configuration file, which translates "newsgroup-words"
into filestructure names.  A routine would read this file at split time, at
post time, etc. and convert all references to groups through it.  The file
would contain word pairs, the first entry of a line being the group-word
and the second being file-word, e.g.
  engineering engr
  programmer  progrmr
  etc....
Ideally, the ordinary user would never see this; only the file access 
routines would perform this conversion.  This would retain the hierarchy
that is obvious and handy, and get around the length-limits.

Comments?

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From: ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy))
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: trn flaw in new group handling
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:28:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: toontown.1992Apr15.002847.23933
Organization: The Department For Doing Departmental Things

Paul Smee (P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk) wrote:
> If I addgroup a group with status 'x', because I know about it but
> don't want it, trn will then report it as a new group and ask people if
> they want to subscribe, and then later will spot it as bogus and go off
> to play for a while.

A similar situation occurs if you do an "addgroup newsgroup =newsgroup".

Furthermore, after trn detects these invalid groups it asks if you want to delete
them.  If you do, then execute the "newsgroups" command it will return telling you that
the invalid groups should be added back to your .newsrc.

Changes I would suggest making:

  * either not add the aliased and "x" groups to the active.times file or modify trn
    (and other newsreaders?) so that they ignore these groups.

  * modify newsgroups so that it doesn't say anything about these groups.
-- 
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From: ajg@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Arnold Goldberg)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: problems posting w/ rn via NNTP
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:05:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: reef.AJG.92Apr9140523
Distribution: news
Organization: Computer Science Department/ University of Florida

whenever I try to post via Pnews (rn) thru NNTP, 
I get the following error message, even though the post 
was successful:

Send, abort, edit, or list? s
Warning: .signature files should be no longer than 4 lines.
(Only 4 lines of your .signature were posted.)
Remote error: 340 Ok
Article appended to /home2/ajg/dead.article
A copy may be temporarily found in /home2/ajg/.article


Any ideas...

thanks

arnold



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From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: problems posting w/ rn via NNTP
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:04:22 GMT
Distribution: news
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <AJG.92Apr9140523@reef.cis.ufl.edu> ajg@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Arnold Goldberg) writes:

   whenever I try to post via Pnews (rn) thru NNTP, 
   I get the following error message, even though the post 
   was successful:

   Send, abort, edit, or list? s
   Warning: .signature files should be no longer than 4 lines.
   (Only 4 lines of your .signature were posted.)
   Remote error: 340 Ok

Well, *is* your .signature longer than 4 lines?

If so, why?

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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: trn flaw in new group handling
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

If I addgroup a group with status 'x', because I know about it but
don't want it, trn will then report it as a new group and ask people if
they want to subscribe, and then later will spot it as bogus and go off
to play for a while.  I suspect the problem is that it now only uses
active.times to spot new groups, and doesn't get around to checking
active until later.  Think I'd argue that it ought to check active
earlier -- that is, use active.times as a hint rather than as the whole
story.  (Alternative, I suppose, would be to mod addgroup so that it
doesn't add an active.times line for x'ed groups.  I note that our
newgroup, which has been modded not to auto-create alt. groups, does
that.  Not sure which is cleanest.)

-- 
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 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: peterson@choctaw.ti.com (Bob Peterson)
Subject: Re: Sorry, but looking for PC-NFS readers
Reply-To: peterson@csc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:18:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.172710.16313@sp-eug.uucp>, jimca@sp-eug.uucp (Jim Campbell) writes:
|> I'm sure this is a FAQ, but this company just changed to PC-NFS for dos
|> machines and finally got a uucp newsfeed so I can't look back through old
|> news.
|> 
|> I'm looking for a PC-NFS news reader to run on my DOS PC so I don't have to
|> telnet to our server.
|> 
|> Thanks to the net for it's help (and existence!)

  I cheat.  

  I run PC/NFS on a slow 386.

  Under Desqview-386 I start a window that, using a batch file, first
loads a packet driver, then executes Trumpet.  I read news using
Trumpet, usually not switching away from the Trumpet window.  When I
close that window Desqview unloads the packet driver, and I can again
use PC/NFS.

  Note: Trumpet depends on the presence of an NNTP server.

  The usual archive sites offer Trumpet.  Look for trmp104b.zip on,
e.g., wuarchive.wustl.edu in /mirrors/msdos/pktdrvr.

    Bob

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: root@duncan
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Need rn docs in format suitable for D.M. printer
Keywords: rn printing docs
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:33:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: duncan.9204122231.35
Reply-To: dalcs!banke1!duncan!root (David John Murdoch)
Organization: Duncan Computer Centre and Home Brewery


	I've had better success with the on line man version
but I need to print them.

	I've tried various ways to output them using nroff
(COHERENT 3.2 nroff with ms and man macros) on my dot matrix
9-pin (Star NX-1000) but the results are unsatisfactory.

	If anyone has previously had some success with this
task and would like to share their methods or results I'd
be pleased to hear from them.

Thank you,

David
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From: Andrew.Hilborne@newcastle.ac.uk (Andrew Hilborne)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: How to save specific header line with 'rn' ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:37:55 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

In <j8lrq04@fido.asd.sgi.com> pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close) discusses
how to save articles in rn without including all the header lines.  He suggests
using the following:

>In RNINIT (or the file RNINIT points to):
>	-EMBOXSAVER='$HOME/bin/mysaver %X/mbox.saver %A %P %c %a %B %C "%b" "From %T %`date`"'
>	-ENORMSAVER='$HOME/bin/mysaver %X/norm.saver %A %P %c %a %B %C "%b"'
>
>In $HOME/bin/mysaver:
>-----------------------cut here-------------------------
>#!/bin/sh
>
>saver=$1
>file=$2
>shift; shift
>
>cat $file | 
>    sed -e '/^Path: /d' -e '/^Message-ID: /d' -e '/^Path: /d' |
>    $saver "" "$@"
>-----------------------cut here-------------------------

I am certainly pleased because I have the impression that NORMSAVER
is now working when rn is compiled to use NNTP.  At one time
NORMSAVER stopped working when NNTP support was compiled in.

Paul Close goes on to say:

>There you have it!  One note: the sed line will remove *any* lines that
>begin with Path:, etc.  There's no way for sed to know if the Path: line
>is part of the header or message body.

This isn't true.  The following sed script will delete all except the From:
Subject: and Date: lines.  It won't delete anything after the first
blank line:

sed -n -e ': top
           /^From: /    {
                        p; n; b top
           }
           /^Date: /    {
                        p; n; b top
           }
           /^Subject: / {
                        p; n; b top
           }
           /^$/         {
                        p; n; b bot
           }
           n; b top
           : bot
           p; n; b bot
           '

--
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From: moconnor@pms704.pms.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Any News reader NOT via UUCP for PC?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:16:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1992Apr15.191641.12178
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: "Fordz"
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.

In article <1992Apr14.122029.15820@datasrv.chi.il.us> gil@datasrv.chi.il.us (Gil Ben-Noon) writes:

:The whole idea is not to use UUCP and many domains which have only one
:users each.

What's so wrong with UUCP?  You could configure things such that all
of your users are in the same "domain" even though they may be typing
on different machines.  It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to set
up with UUPC.

Just wondering...

						...Mike

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From: woody@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk (Ian Woodrow)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Readers available (mac/sun) - info request
Date: 3 Apr 92 14:29:41 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Service

I am looking for news readers for the macintosh and for xwindows.  Any info on
what goodies are available and what anon ftp sites they are on will be useful.

I've heard of NewsGrazer but I think that is only for Next machines, yeah ?

email asap,

cheers,


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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 20:50:52 EDT
From: <WBWQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Needed info on small Usenet readers

Greetings.  I have small virtual disks allocated: 512K VM,
512K Unix/Ultrix,
512K VAX/VMS
My problem: Which usenet reader is small enough (<500K) to fit
and run.  Our local Netnews for VM/Xedit is not adequate (local regions)
If you have any info, please netpost.  Thanks.    William.
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sycheng@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (Shiao-Yang Cheng)
Subject: Re: Tin: scrolling article line by line.
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Chiao Tung U., Taiwan, ROC
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:00:19 GMT

ccechk@nuscc.nus.sg (Heng Kek) writes:

>Hi, Does anyone who uses Tin out there know how to scroll an
>article line by line, instead of screen by screen?  I can't seem
>to find the key and it's not listed in the contextual help
>either.  A missing feature?  

  We also have this problem ! But I think 'tin' doesn't support this little
function. I hope the next patch can add this function ! ( Tin can scroll
half screen once a time ! )

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Dep. Computer Science & Information Engin.     |
National Chiao Tung University		       | sycheng@csie.nctu.edu.tw
Taiwan, Republic of China		       | sycheng@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: tin 1.1.2 dropping nntp connection ?
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:47:55 GMT

I just installed tin 1.1.2, with the fix in select.c on lines 60+66 
(about NO_RESYNC...).

Environment: -DNNTP_ONLY -DBSD -DNNTP_INEWS, built with 'make bsd'.

With 3 post tests, 2 of them dropped the NNTP connection right after
making the post.  The middle one didn't.

Is this unique to me, or have others seen it too ?
-- 
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From: msmith@crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Unix vnews using nntp wanted.
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:38:09 GMT
Reply-To: msmith@crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK

Hello,

Many of our users are currently using the vnews program which came with B news
2.11.  This version expects to find the /usr/lib/news and /usr/spool/news
directories on the local machine.  Can anyone point me to a more recent version
of vnews which uses nntp.

We would rather preserve the look and feel which our readers are used to than
force them to migrate to rn.
Please reply by e-mail if possible. I don't read this group routinely.

Thanks in advance.

Mike Smith
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: How to save specific header line with 'rn' ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Followup-To: news.software.readers
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes on news.software.readers:

)   I am new to the 'rn' program and find it very interesting.  I have checked
)   the manual for 'rn' (man rn) and could not solve my problem.
)   I would like to be able to save some news without including all the
)   header lines (i.e. just to include: Date, From and Subject).
)
)See the rn man page to find out how to use different mbox.saver and
)norm.saver scripts.
)
)   I know that I can just type in: s in 'rn' to save an article or a range of 
)   articles, but I don't know how I can "customize" 'rn' to omit other header
)   lines when saving.
)
)Rn saves articles with the same header lines it displays on-screen.
)You could actually use the '&' command to hide the headers you don't
)want and then save the article, but that's quite cumbersome,
)especially since you'll have to undo your settings if you keep on
)reding news.

I am not sure rn does this. I have restricted my header lines to just
3 of them but saving them always saves the entire headers.

Since rn does a byte-count determination for the 'w'
command (which is not so obvious to many readers who have read TFM),
it is especially useful in discarding unwanted headers.

Since I prefer mbox format in saving, I hereby give a patch for
mbox.saver which will let the user save articles with preferred
headers. (Use 'w' instead of 's')


*** mbox.saver	Tue Apr  7 09:51:22 1992
--- oldmbox.saver	Sat Feb  1 15:01:44 1992
***************
*** 33,35 ****
   ( echo "$8"
!   sed -n '1,/^$/p' $1 | egrep "^From:|^Subject:|^Newsgroups:" 
    tail +$5c $1 | sed "s/^From />From /"
--- 33,37 ----
   ( echo "$8"
!   if /bin/test "$5" = 0 -a ! "$4" = 0 ; then
!     echo "Article: $4 of $6"
!   fi
    tail +$5c $1 | sed "s/^From />From /"



The user's customizability may vary. Any other suggestions for this welcome.
Let me caution that use of 's' command with this script is not
recommended.

)Jonathan Kamens						jik@MIT.Edu

Sridhar.
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: gil@datasrv.chi.il.us (Gil Ben-Noon)
Subject: Any News reader NOT via UUCP for PC?
Organization: DataServe LTD. Information and comm. services, Israel
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:20:29 GMT

Hello,
I'm interested in a news reader (and mail reader) for my users.
Actually, there is only one user per site so i'd prefer not to use
a domain per user but actually, a program for PC that will allow the
user to get his waiting mail, waiting news, proccess it off-line and
then, when the user will call again, the mail/news will be sent via
his account to the system's mail services.
The whole idea is not to use UUCP and many domains which have only one
users each.

Any program out there for that purpose?

Thanks in advance.

Gil Ben-Noon.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: trn flaw in new group handling
Organization: Borland International
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:44:59 GMT

Paul Smee (P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk) wrote:
> If I addgroup a group with status 'x', because I know about it but
> don't want it, trn will then report it as a new group and ask people if
> they want to subscribe, and then later will spot it as bogus and go off
> to play for a while.

This is an interesting problem.  I think that changing the addgroup
command in C news so that a group "created" with an 'x' isn't appended
to the active.times file is a good first step (I need to snag the latest
C news to see if they've made this change yet -- mine's a year old or so).
However, NNTP also needs to have the NEWGROUPS command fixed a bit.  It
should weed out 'x'ed out groups and groups that a user doesn't have
permission to access.  Finally, I might as well make trn deal with bogus
values coming back from the NEWGROUPS command in a more graceful fashion.
I'll put it on my todo list.
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From: flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Proportional fonts.
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:19:29 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

I've just spent a little while using GNUS under Epoch with
proportional fonts.  It's interesting.  While it's more pleasant to
read the proportionally spaced text, it's awkward in many respects.

X11 lacks a decent small-sized proportional font.  Perhaps this is
hard to fix until display resolution gets better, but I suspect that
noone really paid much attention to the proportional text fonts.
Unsurprisingly, the sans-serif display fonts generally look better,
but they don't really seem easier to read.  lucida-medium-r-*-12 and
times-medium-r-*-14 both seem to work well for me (100dpi
sparcstation).

Epoch still uses a block cursor, which changes size distractingly as it
moves over the different width characters.  And vertical motion of the
cursor follows character position, not pixel position, the left and
right motion is a little strange.

None of the GNUS displays will line up in neat columns anymore, as
expected.  However, it's still very usable.  Most things are still
almost aligned.  It really isn't that hard to read.

The news articles themselves aren't too bad.  In straight text, the
two main problems are hyphens/dashes which are usually too wide, and
ALL CAPS which should be rendered in small caps.

There are also occasional spacing problems, especially around
nonalphabetic characters, but these are livable.  Actually, the
spacing is overall a little bizarre.  X11 and Epoch do not have a
sufficiently sophisticated notion of character placement and kerning.

Signature pictures don't work at all, as expected.  Program code and
other computerese are only mildly successful.  This is text that was
meant to be viewed monospaced.  (Although programs written to be
viewed proportionally would work fine.)
--
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From: sycheng@ccsun1 (Shiao-Yang Cheng)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Tin 1.1 PL 2, Missing NNTP Server Functions
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:53:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: Silence.1992Apr8.145301.13461
Organization: National Chiao Tung University

epeterso@fenix.encore.com (Eric Peterson) writes:
: 
:    put_server(), getserverbyfile(), server_init(), close_server(),
:    get_server()
: 
: I've obtained Tin 1.1.1 from comp.sources.misc, volume 29, and obtained
: patch 2 from alt.sources.  Is there something else I'm missing?  Was one
: of the files omitted in the Tin distribution?
: 
: Thanks in advance for your help.
: 
: Eric

   I think you could lack of clientlib.o, which is part of NNTP 
  software ! ( You must get it in addition !)
Xref: sparky news.software.readers:1043 news.software.nntp:617
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: VAX/VMS "Reply-to:" and EDT command file questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:35:29 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr12.165151.1@galluj>,
 CADS_COLE@galluj (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:
> We're a VAX/VMS site, and I think we're running ANU's NEWS, although the on-
> line help never explicitly says so.  Can anyone tell me if there's a simple way 
> to force a Reply-to: line in my header?  (And/or the logical or the whereabouts 
> of the EDT command file that runs when posting?)

ANU News questions are best asked in news.software.anu-news.

In versions up through V6.0-3, you can use POST/HEAD or FOLLOW/HEAD to
get the Reply-To: header included. In V6.1 there is a profile item to
set the Reply-To: header.  You can fix the problem with your From:
address by defining your logicals correctly:

$ DEFINE/SYSTEM "NEWS_ADDRESS"   "GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU"

You may also need to define NEWS_NODE and NEWS_PATHNAME depending on
your configuration.

The default editor called is callable TPU unless you have specified
something else in you NEWS profile. There is no default command file
or logical.
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