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From: vanembur@romulus.rutgers.edu (Bill Van Emburg)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Credit cards and SSN (A success story)
Keywords: credit ssn
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:32:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


As a result of all the talk here of SSN troubles, I have started the
long, painstaking process of getting businesses, etc. to stop using my
SSN.  I have had some success, and felt that it would be nice to have
some good news get posted here....

When I contacted Citibank (about my credit card), they did *not* ask
for my SSN for security.  Instead, they asked for my mother's maiden
name.  I'm not sure how much more secure this is, but  it's a start.
Of course, the representative stated that she couldn't delete the SSN
because it was needed for monthly reporting to credit agencies.  I
persisted, stating that it was possible to get a credit card without
giving out one's SSN.  She said that a supervisor would call me back.
When the supervisor called, she warned me that deleting the SSN may
mess up credit reporting, but said she would delete it.

When I contacted AT&T Universal Card, they gave me a similar story.
However, this time, I was referred to someone in the "credit dept."
who was very persistant that they could not delete the SSN.  I asked
who set the policy, so that I could talk to that person.  After asking
who the policymaker was several times, this person talked to her
supervisor.  When she returned to the phone, she stated that the SSN
would be deleted immediately.  

Well, I don't know yet if the SSN is really gone from these two
companies' records, but at least they said they would do it.
Progress?

..Now, I won't even *mention* the difficulties that I'm having with my
employer's benefits dept....

					-BVE
					(er..that's Bill Van Emburg)
					(vanembur@remus.rutgers.edu)
	"You do what you want, and if you didn't, you don't"
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: So, why don't big places do this? (was: Re: SSN as loan account number)
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:54:28 GMT

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

>SSNs are supposed to be unique.  In practice they are not always unique,
>but in most situations people will catch a uniqueness violation _very_
>quickly.

However, in large corporations and schools (where ID numbers might be
needed a lot and each person should have a unique one), there is no
reason why sequential numbers cannot be given to people.

For instance, at UIUC, there's no reason why each student ID number
couldn't consist of some zeros and then a number--0000000435 (I don't
think the leading zeroes are necessary if records are kept with modern
computers, as most records are here, but for some reason ID numbers
for a given thing are almost always the same length).  This number
could signify that this student was the 435'th to get a number, but
there's no way to determine that the 435'th person (as listed
alphabetically by last name) is the person that corresponds to that
number.

These numbers could be given sequentially to whomever's name came out
of the computer first (randomly choosing someone's record).  This has
the advantages obvious to the alt.privacy crowd, and I'm curious to
know why big places like businesses and universities don't do this.

Given the ability of modern databases to reference a large amount of
data to a single number, the SSN could be just another field in one's
database.  Since UIUC is going through all the trouble to make new ID
cards, you'd think that at least UIUC could make ID numbers that
aren't based on anything personal, like birthdate, SSN, college
number, etc.

I realize that making an ID number based on such things may make it
easier for people to remember, but asking people to remember one lousy
ID number isn't a lot.

Sorry for moaning about UIUC matters in alt.privacy like this.  I'll
take this to the appropriate group for more specific UIUC matters.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
From: joeh@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joseph L. Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Guns and Roses
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:11:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

> ..One thing for sure-- not many bands manage to get as strong of
> supporters or denouncers as GnR...

>> Well, U2 (of which GnR are but a pale imitation of, in some respects)
>> have done...

Thats funny you say that, I shelled out 80 bucks for good GnR seats and
just turned down a free 5th row at u2 for tonight, guess that pale
imitation does something right.
-joe
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk) (M i c h a e l ;-)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Lemmy : Mama I'm Comin' Home
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <1992Aug16.215401.1@research.ptt.nl>, mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926) writes:
|> In article <18291.2a8e530c@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 9018767a@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
|> > I just read the writing credits of Ozzy Osbourne's song "Mama I'm Coming 
|> > Home" and the last name was Lemmy Kilmister (presumably of Motorhead).
|> > 
|> > Can anyone enlighten me on what the great mole-faced ugly one had to do with 
|> > writing this song??  Personally, I like the song, but I can't imagine
|> > Lemmy "Shout and hope for the best" Kilmister contributing to it.
|> 
|> But he did! Apparently he and Ozzy have been friends for a while. 
|> If I remember correctly Ozzy sang at the last Motorhead album. 

** But WHAT did he sing at it?


Mr. Mental the Bat-choker
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jka@ipsa.reuter.com (Jan Arendtsz)
Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:38:34 GMT


Does anybody have a detailed discography of Jimi Hendrix? If so could you
please post it? I am compiling one at the moment, but have quite a few 
missing items... like the different songs in the American and British release of
Smash Hits as well as the B side's of certain singles.

Thanx

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

	Jan Arendtsz		
	Reuters Information Services
	Toronto, Ontario
	e-mail: jka@ipsa.reuter.com
	
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: cecka@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Way Cool Jr.)
Subject: New Great White Album
Organization: Rock-N-Roll XPress
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:47:48 GMT


Earlier today I heard that Great White's new album (_Psycho City_ ?) will be
out within the next week or two.  Has anyone else heard this, or know anything
about the new album?


WCJr
From: phil@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Phil Hildenbrand)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:51:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Best Drummer????
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll


Derek K. Miller writes:

>If you mean "best" as in "most appropriate," or "most tasteful," I'd name
>Jim Keltner (of Mad Dogs and Englishmen, the Travelling Wilburys, Little
>Village, etc.), Stewart Copeland, Manu Katche', and, of course, John Bonham.

 Yes, yes, thank you for mentioning Jim Keltner. I'll take "feel" over
 technical virtuosity anyday!! The unfortunate part of Mad Dogs and 
 Englishmen (the movie) is not enough camera work on Keltner and Jim
 Gordon (who's a whole 'nother story). Sandy Konikoff and Chuck
 Blackwell were also on the tour at various times, if I'm not mistaken.

 Let's also not forget Charlie Watts -- Mr. Steady.    

 Anyone consider the difference between "best" and favorites??????

 Cheers, Phil
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:15061 alt.music.alternative:9232
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Devo
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:53:52 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

hey spuds!

	a while ago someone asked about creating a Devo mailing list and was
checking to see if there would be any response to it. i sent him/her a
message but never got a response. so is there any interest in a devo
list? does one already exist? is anybody gonna start one? thanks.

be happy or not!
--Vernon.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: The Cult
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:06:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.214011.14021@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>From article <1992Aug20.153152.13533@dgbt.doc.ca>, by serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee):
>> I remember the first time I heard The Cult. Their music is quite unique.
>> I don't know any other band who has so much rythm, energy and melody in their
>> music. I was just wondering... what are they up to these days?
>
>	Well, when was the first time you heard them?  *grin*
>
>	I started listening to them with _Sonic Temple_ and gradually
>worked my way back to _Electric_, _Love_, _Dreamtime_, and the various
>singles & etc.  Of course I got _Ceremony_ last year, but I somehow
>feel that they really hacked it together.  It's my least favorite simply
>because all I hear is a bunch of riffs ripped off from other groups.
>However, it does seem to be a step back toward their "Love" days, so
>I'm thankful for that.
>
>	Personally, I think their most powerful stuff is from the Manor
>Sessions, most, if not all of which can be found on the Cult Singles 
>Collection, a 10 cd collection, which you can probably find broken into
>it's various components.  IMHO, they should have released the Manor
>Sessions as _Electric_.  It's like a very psycadelic mix of the hard rock
>elements of _Electric_ and the gothic bigness of _Love_.  If you can
>find anything from the Manor Sessions, I give them my highest ratings of
>the Cult collections....
> 
> TTYL
> Chris

If I recall my Cult history :) , The Manor session we're recorded before
Electric. The group didn't like it, changed producers and re-recorded the songs.
Mind you, I find the Manor session excellent (dude)! However, I found Dreamtime
didn't the "punch" they have today.

Serge

-- 
Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: James Hetfield injured
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:04:57 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In some article that Robert wrote (which I accidentally deleted the
header to, Robert writes:

>  It's logic like this that leads to so many problems today.  Nobody
>wants to take responsibility for any of the shit that they create
>around themselves.  I guess it just feels better to blame someone else,
>eh Ashwin?

Oh, but Robert, being an educated modern American, you should realize
that people are nothing but thoughtless automatons who can do nothing
but blindy react to the environment around them. That's why, when
the drug dealer on the corner shoots the little kid that squirted
him with the water gun, we can't blame the drug dealer, but must place
all blame on the water gun manufacturer and try to ban all such products.
When someone kills himself while listening to Judas Priest, we cannot
lay responsibility on him for being unable to cope with reality, but must
blame the evil members of J. Priest for driving him to it. When four
men try to beat a truck driver to death in LA, we cannot blame them, 
for they were helpless and had no choice but to react in that fashion 
to a verdict in a trial of people accused of doing exactly 
what they proceded to do in response. And that's why, when a band stops
a concert prematurely, we must not blame the poor, hapless concert-goers
for reacting by destroying anything they could get their hands on. I'm
sure they didn't enjoy doing it, and in fact, would probably rather
have been holding hands and singing Kumbaya. So please leave the poor
mindless robots alone, and give them the understanding they deserve.

(Was the sarcasm obvious enough? :-) )
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From: trr@dlogics.com (Tim Ringwood)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: NEW ROGER WATERS
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:36:05 GMT
Organization: Datalogics, Inc.

>stores yet? Anybody have any thoughts or opinions on everyone's favorite
>ex-Floydian?

Not everyone's!

Quite assumption to make about us Syd fans isn't it?
From: blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Lyrics server: Does it exist??? If so Where???
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:01:14 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic University Graduate Program
  Affiliations: A.R.C.H.I.E. Laboratory
 Project: Raising R'yleh
 Where: Lost in Cyberspace
 Quote: Reality is the Product of Our Mutual Imaginations
 Philosophy: Life is just one Conception after Another.



Ok the lyrics server used to exist but I can no longer access it. Does
anyone know what happened to it. The last address I have is :

 ftp 131.210.1.1


Thanks


-- 
"I have all my wisdom teeth, two up top and two beneath,
Aye, to recognise my mouth says things that aren't so wise.."
rutgers!ub!blackman blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring)
Subject: Re: Jim Steinman albums-do they exist?
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:24:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.203727.28962@panix.com> simona@panix.com (Simona  
Nass) writes:
> I've really been liking the Bat Out of Hell album, and would like to  
know
> what else Jim Steinman has worked on. I checked using the Tower Records
> computer to see if Steinman did anything by himself, but it came up with
> nothing. Anyone know if Steinman did anything himself, or what other  
albums
> he worked on? Would also appreciate pointers to similar music  
irregardless
> of artist. Directed follow-ups to alt.rock-n-roll only. Thanks. -S.
> -- 

Meatloaf : Bat Out Of Hell , Deadringer and the new album 
           Bat Out Of Hell II wich has not been released yet.

Steinman : Bad For Good

Pandoras Box : Original Sin

Bonnie Tyler : Faster Than The Speed Of Night and one more album that
               I don't know the name of.

There is also a lot of Steinman stuff on the Streets Of Fire soundtrack
album.

You might also want to ckeck out Carla De Vito's solo album Cool World.
I'm not sure if Steinman was involved in that one but if you like the
other stuff you'll probably enjoy it.

/Magnus Ring
From: phil@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Phil Hildenbrand)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 06:08:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Best Drummer????
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll


  Best Drummer??

  -- of course, it's Tommy Ardolino of NRBQ whose backbeat and kick
     drum are right on the noggin'. Quite an unorthodox player and 
     he even gets to sing the karaoke parts of NRBQ shows!!!

    
  ...Phil
From: craa60@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Chili Peppers
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:51:58 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug14.033101.17787@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
> Has anybody out there seen what the Red Hot Chili Peppers are like now live
> with their new guitar player. I just wonder how does he compare to the
> brilliant John Fruciante and also what type of material are they playing now.
> I wonder this because they are touring here (Australia) in about a month.
> 
> mark
-- 

Well as you know John cracked Shortly after the japan show, forcing
them to abandon an extensive tour and return home. Trying to get nine
years of music into a new guy in one month cant be easy. Arik Marshall
was'nt even the best guy they auditioned, there were guy's who new all
there songs backwards but Arik has the character of a true Chilli.

Im sure you'll love him.
                                                
Martin Kilpatrick       	  \\|//              
Strathclyde Uni                  |-O,O-|   
Yam FZR 600 pilot >>>>>>>>>      ||<_>||    
Suzi GSX 600 ^^not yet           ||   ||    
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Axl: the show must go on (Re: James Hetfield injured)
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:11:05 CDT


In article <1641@grivel.une.edu.au>, bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (Shadow.,,,) writes:
> 
> Excuse me, but I think that in the case of the Montreal riot you are completely
> wrong. Axl left because his voice is shot. Not to deliberately cause a riot. 
> As far as I can see, Axl had two choices:
> 
> 1. continue the concert at the risk of permanent dammage to his voice.
> 2. discontinue the concert so his voice could recover and he could play again.

3. Explain to the crowd that his voice is shot, but the band will keep playing and
   Axl will hum, talk/whisper, or just run around for the rest of the show.

> I DO NOT believe that it was his fault the riot ocurred. Sure, the guy can be
> a real asshole. But this time he was not. Think of what would happen if his
> voice was permanently kaput. There would be an awful lot of unhappy people
> around. Maybe enough to start riots at all of the tour places he was scheduled
> to visit, but then could not.

Things happen (such as a shot voice) but the show must go on.  The fans paid
money and deserve a show.

For example, when I saw Van Halen in 1981, Dave was way out of control (drinking
JD on stage) and screwing up big time.  He'd start singing in the wrong spot, 
forget the words, or not sing at all.  Eddie was obviously pissed (at one point 
trying to grab the JD bottle away from Dave, but the band kept jammin'.  After
the show, most of the fans were pissed at Dave, but felt they got their moneys
worth from the rest of the band.  Had Van Halen just walked off stage, the crowd
would have rioted.  

Axl shold know that he and the band cannot just walk off stage in the middle of
a concert without causing a riot.  It happened before (in St. Louis).  It happened
again in Montreal.  It will continue to happen if he walks off.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.  A lead singer should be able to...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: edwardsc@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Chris Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best Drummer????
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:54:03 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Until recently, I used to give anyone asking "Who's the best drummer in the
world ?" a long & philosophical lecture on what a silly question this is.

Now I know *I* was wrong.

Answer :- Vinnie Colaiuta


Chris Edwards

-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mdmelvin@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Tyrant)
Subject: Re: GNR/METALLICA DEBACLE IN MONTREAL
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.183206.19648@colorado.edu> rpb@starr.colorado.edu (Robert Baptist) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.054615.16709@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>
>
>>DOn't know about
>>Steven Adler, though. Maybe he wasn't too crazy about Axl either and to cover
>>up a potential mess maybe Axl created the drug story, but that one I won't
>
>   According to Slash and the "offical" word-- Steven Adler didn't leave
>GNR, they fired him.  He had been in and out of drug rehab regularly
>and was too involved with "Mr. Brownstone" (heroin) to continue
>to play well, according to Slash.
>


  Anyone know when the G 'n' R show at the Ritz in NY took place?  You know
the one with the video for Knockin'?  Because I have a bootleg from that
show, and Adler still didn't sound bad then.  I have a feeling that that
might have been in '89 or so though.


					Tyrant.

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: robb@ais.org (Robert Gonyer)
Subject: Scorpions Tease Me Please Me Lyrics
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:39:59 GMT

This is for the person that asked for these lyrics.  Here ya go!


I've been around the world
I've known a lot of girls
Livin' and Lovin'
It's hard to keep them all in line
I've seen a lot of sights 
So many crazy nights
Cruisin' and boozin'
It's a wonder that I'm still alive

Never wasted any time
Never missed a beat
Total satisfaction
Always guaranteed

Tease me          
Please me
No one needs to know
Tease me
Please me
Before I have to go

Spread the word around
The boys are back in town
Reelin' and rockin'
We're rollin' with it win or lose
The girls are dressed to kill
Just lokin' for a thrill
Slidin and glidin'
Sometimes they make it hard to choose

I never wasted any time
Never missed a beat
Total Satisfaction
Always Guaranteed
Tease me
Please me
No one needs to know
Tease me
Please me
Before I have to go 
Tease me
Please me
We'll take it nice and slow
Tease me 
Please me
Just let the feeling grow
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: gnr@lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Subject: Re: Guns and Roses
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.161121.18274@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, joeh@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joseph L. Hill) writes:
> 
> > ..One thing for sure-- not many bands manage to get as strong of
> > supporters or denouncers as GnR...
> 
> >> Well, U2 (of which GnR are but a pale imitation of, in some respects)
> >> have done...
> 
> Thats funny you say that, I shelled out 80 bucks for good GnR seats and
> just turned down a free 5th row at u2 for tonight, guess that pale
> imitation does something right.
> -joe
> 
No shit. I would take GNR 125th row facing backwards over front row U2.

-- Alex --

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: trr@dlogics.com (Tim Ringwood)
Subject: Re: Best Drummer????
Organization: Datalogics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:54:49 GMT

My votes are for:

Steve Gadd
Harvey Mason
Nick Mason (before 1974)
Elaine Harris (Trip Shaksphere)
Mo Tucker
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Subject: Re: Minneapolis Rock of the 90's
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:45:29 GMT

In article <17AUG199213064313@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
> 
> Hello, can anyone out there (maybe in the Twin Cities) help me out?
> 
> I was recently in Minneapolis and heard a great radio station-they called 
> themselves the Rock of the 90's, and had a playlist like a college station-
> I found it very refreshing and enjoyed it beyond belief. I really enjoyed
> the area, and loved the radio station.
> 

Well, the area is still here, but the radio station you so loved to listen to
just went (aaaaack!!!) Country Western. There's a letter writing campaign, but
it won't do any good. Too many farmers up here. And what do farmers do on the
weekend? Dance some lame-ass Achy Breaky shit!

There's some kinda Achy Breaky conspiracy out there threatening us like a 
cancer. We must put a stop to it! Screw the Don Henley Must Die campaign and
put the Michael Bolton Must Die campaign on hold. BILLY RAY CYRUS MUST DIE!

-- Alex --

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