HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: rec.arts.poems.urdu review results?
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:34:00 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

	What was the outcome of the rec.arts.poems.urdu review?
	I fear I missed it over holiday.  If Dave Lawrence hasn't yet
posted it, ignore this question; thanks in advance, otherwise.
	Replies, please, not followups.
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elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
Xref: sparky news.groups:25141 sci.physics:22248
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.physics
Subject: Re: sci.physics.research: proposed panel of moderators
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:45:56 GMT
Organization: MIT, Department of Mathematics

Sean Merritt writes:
>I am suggesting that if DB doesn't someone else should. 3 people would
>always reach a majority decision. With four there is the probability
>of deadlock.(however slim it does exist)

Seems to me Merritt is taking this business too seriously.  I promise
that if such a deadlock ever arose I would bow out, since I certainly
don't have the time for protracted arguments about whether an article
gets published in sci.physics.research.
From: bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposal for sci.geo.eosdis has not been adequately discussed?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:53:00 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Distribution: news
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <29988@castle.ed.ac.uk>, ngse18@castle.ed.ac.uk (J R Evans) writes...
> 
>A Call For Votes for sci.geo.eosdis has been issued by tale@rodan.uu.net.
>The proposal represents a significant development within the sci.geo 
>sub-heirarchy, in that it appears to sponsor a moderated group which will
>be used for the dissemination of material from a single source to a small 
>community.  I feel this proposal needs discussion, as the CFV fails to
>show why this objective cannot very satisfactorily be fulfilled through a 
>mailing list. (I say this as one with a potential interest in the material).
>As far as I can determine, no Request For Discussion on this topic has been 
>received at this site (the highest upstream of several to which I have
>access), and I can say with certainty that no related messages have 
>appeared in sci.geo.geology or sci.geo.fluids, which I read assiduously.
> 
>It is not clear to me precisely how this situation has arisen, but
>I suggest that interested users of these groups should be offered an
>opportunity to comment before proceeding.  On the other hand, I do not 
>see how that can fully be accommodated within the guidelines.
> 

This proposal was originally sent to news.groups about a month before 
the two-week newgroup hiatus as sci.eos.  It was discussed then and 
there was some discussion on the namespace, generally dealing with the 
level.  Sci.space was considered but that newsgroup deals more with 
the space hardware, whereas the eosdis group will be dealing more with 
the results.  

The community to which the information is disseminated is not small.  
EOSDIS is a NASA megaproject, in the Mission to Planet Earth.

				Barry Schlesinger
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: tyan@cs.cornell.edu (Thomas Yan)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.ml
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:44:15 GMT

i vote yes.

-- thomas
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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.messianic
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:14:19 GMT

>jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>I'm sorry, but according to Peter da Silva, the word "Conservative" is
>used almost everywhere to mean ecological-conservation etcetera, not a
>political viewpoint.  Unfortunately, this means that you can't possibly be
>right in stating that "conservative" has a political meaning in England
>and Scotland.

Maybe England isn't included in the "almost everywhere."  Isn't one of the
two major parties in England the conservative party?  Was margaret Thatcher's
party's main political aim to save trees?


And what does this have to do with
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: marek@iiasa.ac.at (Marek  MAKOWSKI)
Subject: knot's theory
Organization: IIASA, Laxenburg, Austria
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:00:21 GMT

Does anyone know if there exists a group which concern the knot's theory ?
Thanks in advance for information, preferably by e-mail.

Marek Makowski


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.ibm.pc and comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:22:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.172027.4967@rgb.com> rick@rgb.com (Rick Davis) writes:
>mark@drd.com (Resident.Alien) writes:
>
>>I've gotten a couple of rmgroups for these groups from
>>news@tacom-emh1.army.mil.  Are these legit or is news admin there not
>>setting distribution rightly?
>
>I also go them here.  They sure don't look legit to me, but how do
>you tell?  

In the case of these particular newsgroups, you can look in the "List of
Active Newsgroups" (in news.lists).  They're not there, so they're not
valid newsgroups, so they are rmgroup bait..
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.native
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Subject: Re: Proposed Charter for soc.culture.native
Keywords: charter, native, soc.native.culture
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  7 Jan 93 02:10:43 GMT

gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:

>This paragraph looks like a good beginning.  I feel it could also
>usefully say something about the informational side of the forum,
>that it can be used for posting news stories and bulletins which
>alert people to urgent situations which require responses (such as
>human rights cases).

>Gary

Hello Gary,

Sure thing.  What addition would you suggest?  I'm not sure a USENET
will ever be able to do the job of alerting readers to urgent situations
like NativeNet or Jose Barreiro's now defunct Indigenous People's 
Network.  I'm going to be seeing Jose in the next couple of days. 
I'll ask him what he thinks about USENET and its capabilities in
this area.

Later,

Mike


==========================
Michael Wilson
idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
==========================
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Followup-To: soc.religion.christian
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:11:59 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1993Jan7.145632.22541@pdn.paradyne.com> nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>Discussions in soc.religion.christian are more topical in nature.  Some 
>currently going on now, for example, are:  ... "Non-procreative sex", ...

  You mean there's some *other* kind?
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Reply-To: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:58:31 GMT


How about using the name soc.culture.lang.bangla instead of bengali?

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:02:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.015635.2500@cs.unca.edu> kepley@cs.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
> The problem is yours though.  "Conservatives", "Romantics", "Liberals", 
> "Moderns", and "Totalitarians" are terms that have been used for a 
> century or more to describe certain kinds of political thought.

I know. I'm exquisitely aware of the technical definition. That is why I
keep bringing this up: the original definition has been diluted into
almost completre uselessness. In general usage the term "Conservative"
is applied to any number of groups that happen to be part of or allied with
the Republicn party in the United States, or the Tories in England, or
other nominally Conservative parties in other parts of the world... though
the misuse seems to be greatest in the United States, probably due to
the odd electoral system here.

Conservatism has as little to do with fundamentalist Christianity or
with various nationalist groups, or with progressive industrial groups
as it does with classical socialism or radical environmentalism. Yet
these groups are welcomed under the banner because *parts* of *some*
conservative's goals happen to coincide with *some* of theirs.
-- 
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Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012 USA
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Request for a new newsgroup
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: news
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:30:14 GMT


Hi,
	I would like following news group 

alumni.india.iit

where we can post messages to ALUMNI of 5 IIT's. IIT stands for Indian Institute
of Technology. There are such 5 institutes of national importance in India.
This newsgroup would help in NETWORKING.

Thank you very much.


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vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: t90nikhi@mp.cs.niu.edu (Nikhil Kumar)
Subject: New newsgroup : soc.culture.lang.bengali
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:22:13 GMT

In article <1iftq6INN77n@rodan.UU.NET> Bijoy Sagar <t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu> writes:
>	This is to propose a new newgroup called soc.culture.lang.bengali.
>This group is proposed to encourage discussion on the culture of Bengali
>speaking people of different countries and the growth and evolution
>of Bengali language and literature.
>
>Introduction:
>^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Bengali language is spoken predominantly in Bangladesh, where it is the
TUFF DELETED....
>Charter of the newsgroup
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The newly proposed newsgroup shall discuss the following topics.
>It shall not discuss religious and political aspects of the 
>Bengali populace or of the subcontinent.
>
>(1) Growth and evolution of Bengali language - pre- and post-independence
>period.
>(2) Grammatical structure and semantics
>(3) Evolution and geographical distribution of various dialects.
>(4) Books written in Bengali.
>(5) Any and all cultural media that use Bengali as the medium.
>(6) Influence of other languages on Bengali and vice versa.
>(7) Bengali language and the new challenges it faces.
>(8) Anthropological connection to the evolution of Bengali language.
>(9) Places and cities that are instrumental in the growth of the language.
>(10) Any other related topic ( excluding religion and politics)
>
>At present, I propose that the group should be unmoderated. However
>if the consensus is for a moderator, we would respect that.
>
>Discussion
>^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The discussion on the newsgroup shall be open for a 30-day period and
>all the discussions should be carried out in news.groups. After 30
>days, if a consensus is arrived, a  VOTE shall be called.
>The voting period shall be for 21 day. While this posting is posted
>to news.newgroups and all other related newsgroups of the subcontinent,
>all the discussions shall be carried out in news.groups.
>-- 
>Bijoy Sagar
>t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu

This is to remind you that a newsgroup needs atleast 2/3rds of the total
votes to be YES and the total number of YES votes should be at least 100
votes more than YES votes.

Nikhil 

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: nanis@ll.mit.edu (Jeff Nanis)
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.aeronautics moderation
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:34:10 GMT

	I definitely think sci.aeronautics needs to be moderated. 
Although I enjoy trivia as much as the next engineer, the posts
on sci.aero have been getting awfully fluffy lately, with a 
correspondingly low S/N. Also, I think Mary Shafer is an ideal
person to act as moderator, given the wisdom and patience she
has always shown on the Net. I'm very glad she agreed to do it.
-- 
  Jeff Nanis				MIT Lincoln Lab
		An official opinion? Be real. 

  nanis@ll.mit.edu			Radars 'r' us.
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.native
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Proposed Charter for soc.culture.native
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:26:10 GMT

In <idoy.726372643@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
	(Mike Wilson) writes:

> Hello Gary,

> Sure thing.  What addition would you suggest?

I can work up some text to include.  Just off the top of my head, I
think it should say something to the effect that the newsgroup will
carry timely news bulletins from organizations working with indigenous
peoples around the world.

> I'm not sure a USENET will ever be able to do the job of alerting
> readers to urgent situations like NativeNet...

Well, since it is likely that NativeNet will be linked with the new
newsgroup, readers of soc.culture.native will have access to all the
material which is carried by the NATIVE-L mailing list.  

> or Jose Barreiro's now defunct Indigenous People's Network.

I believe it was called the Indigenous Press Network, actually.

> I'm going to be seeing Jose in the next couple of days. 
> I'll ask him what he thinks about USENET and its capabilities in
> this area.

Please pass on my best regards of the new year to Jose'.

Thanks, Mike.

Gary

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From: mjsmith@cac.washington.edu (Martha Smith )
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:31:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ivgr6INN2tc
Distribution: world
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: redx.cac.washington.edu

I'd vote yes - count me in
In article <C0r985.Jo0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleen S. Davis) writes:
|> In article <root.726519634@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
|> >
|> >Keep the shorter name, but open it up for serious discussion from all
|> >comers.  With an open-minded moderator.
|> 
|> I completely agree, and I would support the suggestions you (Steve
|> Adams) have proposed.  I would also vote for and read this group if
|> you (Steve Adams) were the moderator.  (I hope that was unambiguous.)
|> 
|> Observation:  It seems that the proposer wants a Biblestudy group for
|> people who share his beliefs.  If he is unwilling to change this
|> conception of the proposed newsgroup, I feel his goal would be better
|> accomplished in a mailing list.  Simply adding *.christian.* to the
|> name will not sufficiently describe the limited viewpoint he expects.
|> Being where it is proposed to be in the hierarchy, it should include
|> all viewpoints and have minimal moderation (ie, only disallowing
|> redundancy, flamefests, irrelvancies, et cetera). 
|> 
|> Were the group changed to be a true examination of the Bible as a
|> piece of literature/history/anthropology/religion/sociology/art, I
|> feel the group would more properly be placed under another hierarchy.
|> Studying it from all angles, not just religious, seems to remove the
|> aptness of "soc.religion.*"  However, nothing springs to mind under
|> the current organization of newsgroups.  *shrug*  In that case, I
|> advocate leaving it where it is but strongly stressing the exploratory
|> nature of the group (and completely rewriting the charter to reflect
|> this). 
|> 
|> -sz
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.food.cooking
From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:28:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.025545.18936@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.020422.14896@ils.nwu.edu> mccoy@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>>[my suggestion to mention the archives of the bread list when the RFD
>> is eventually posted...]
>
> [there are nice reasons for this group, but no RFD yet...]  Until
>this appears, you might as well go out and stand on the street telling
>strangers that you want a USENET group to discuss breadmachines in. 
>
>You see, you all are trying to convince people why there should be a
>group, and no one's really saying there shouldn't be a group.  So why
>don't you just get with it?

Get a grip pal.  The message will get sent out to news.groups as soon as
Mr. Lawrenece can get to it.  Until then there is no reason not to discuss
what is, by now, an inevitalbe discussion regarding this group.  The
"rules" for newsgroup creation are not written in stone, and were primarily
created to pacify anal whiners such as yourself who seem to think that
everything needs to follow a checklist or it is not valid.  I was merely
making a suggestion to people who might argue in favor of this group when
the RFD arrives.  

jim


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Xref: sparky news.groups:25210 sci.misc:1970 news.future:898 sci.physics:22336
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.misc,news.future,sci.physics
Subject: Are the sci.* - groups working? (was: sci.physics.research...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:20:51 GMT
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

In article <1993Jan8.174635.20821@ulrik.uio.no> jarleb@medusa.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann) writes:
>
>Just a thought, quite a few agree that there is too few research level
>postings, but how many researchers are aware of usenet news ?

I think this is one reason why the sci.* - newsgroups are not working
very well; few researchers actually know about news, or would care to use it.
Those who do are not very likely to discuss the things they are about to
put into their next paper before ever submitting it (I know I don't).

Apart from a few fields which seem to capture the non- specialist's
attention, such as Quantum Theory or Relativity, most research is done
in narrow fields which outsiders are likely to find very dull, so 
discussions about actual research are rare.

The main use of these groups I see is asking advice about, and
discussing, secondary techniques, or for asking for references after a
literature research has failed.  The result is a newsgroup like sci.engr.chem,
in which the only thing likely to appear are requests for information, or
maybe some general discussions related to chemical engineering.

I still think that Usenet is a valuable resource, I'm just not too sure
that the sci.* - groups have much of a chance to work as envisioned by
some...
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.food.cooking
From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
Reply-To: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:04:22 GMT

Regarding the RFD for a breadmachines/kitchen-gadgets newsgroup, another
useless fact to throw out to the wolves of news.groups would be the
archives of the breadmachine list.  They were up for anonymous ftp at
onion.rain.com right?  If people ask what will be discussed you can just
point them to the archives and let them wade through the messages...

jim, who favors rec.food.gadgets :)

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Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.physics
From: mwj@beta.lanl.gov (William Johnson)
Subject: Re: sci.physics.research: proposed panel of moderators
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:44:10 GMT

In article <HAGERMAN.93Jan7205636@rx7.ece.cmu.edu> hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman) writes:
>I haven't seen mechanics described.  Do the co-mods just vote on each
>submission, or can they edit?  (Or should we just try it and see what
>happens?  I think this is one group that is going to undergo a lot of
>evolution, so maybe too much decision-making now is unneeded, or even
>bad.)

As Matt has indicated, the current intention is to distribute submissions
randomly to the co-moderators, each one of whom will have yea/nay power
over things he gets.  I think it's plausible that eventually the message
traffic will reach some intermediate level (after gyrating between
frustratingly high and boringly low levels) that will allow exchanges
among the moderators to occur; as you say, evolution is likely to happen,
and we can cross that bridge when we get to it.

As for editing, my own guidelines will be: When I get something that IMO
needs editing, I will return it for the *submitter* to edit.  Exceptions
will occur under the following few circumstances:
	1) I will include lines like
		[moderator's note: followups via e-mail rather than posting,
		please]
	if it appears to me that followups in the newsgroup are not
	appropriate.  This will happen fairly often, and submitters are free
	to ignore the request if they think their followups *are* good stuff
	for the readership, albeit at some risk of getting rejected.
	2) I may editorialize to the effect that "This subject is marginal
	for sci.physics.research, please consider *carefully* whether you
	want to follow up to it or follow up in a different newsgroup."
	3) If it's a request for info on a subject that I know -- and I mean
	*know* -- I may answer the request in a moderator's note to the
	posting.  Don't count on it, though; that isn't going to happen very
	often.
I believe that the co-moderators have all agreed (by endorsing Matt's
proposed charter) that we won't edit *anything* for content or grammar.  Not
only would it be inappropriate, I for one just don't have the time.

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