HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: What's the history behind these icons?
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:40:02 GMT

(sorry - I don't know how to mail to UUCP sites)
In article <4913@gdls.UUCP> parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster) writes:
>Here's an ascii version of the icon for OPTION:
>
>     --     *
>        \
>         \
>     *     --

Here's how I see it:  you look at the zig-zag line as two paths heading off
in opposite directions.  The "option" concept is conveyed by the idea of
choosing one of the paths.  Is that too far-fetched?

>Here's an ascii version of the icon for ENTER:
>
>     *  ^  *
>      /   \
>     /     \

Actually, it's more like    ____  /\  ____
                                 /  \
                                /    \

Drawn this way, you can more easily visualize the idea of passing through a
barrier to "enter" the space beyond.  Sound good?

>If you've worked in MS Word, you've seen them. I don't see
>any rhyme or reason to the choosing of these symbols. Is 
>there some rational explanation for choosing such odd-looking
>icons?

I believe these are the official ISO symbols for the keys.  The keyboards
Apple sells outside the USA have these symbols (and others) on the keycaps.

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From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: QuickTime screws up PrintMonitor ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:08:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University

System:  CI, 8 MB RAM, 7.01, tuneup 1.1.1
QuickTime extension 1.0 (Feb 13 1991)

With the QuickTime extension installed, I am unable to print PICT or
MacPaint files from a variety of apps (including Word 5.0a, UltraPaint 1.03,
and others).  PrintMonitor says it is 'processing' the document, but
will just stay like that for hours while the LaserWriter II NT blinks
happily.  Removing QuickTime allows normal printing (e.g., on the order
of seconds to minutes to print).

Is this a known problem ?  Is there a known fix ?

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    Ian Neath, PhD     | There are four kinds of people in this world:
neath@psych.purdue.edu |    cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics.
 neath@purcvvm.bitnet  |                       - Umberto Eco
From: rgordon@igc.org (Rick Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Need help in AppleTalk programming
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:14:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul19.040030.24525@sbcs.suny:-1303922784:cdp:1364100002:000:477
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rgordon    Jul 20 23:14:00 1992



Try finding a copy of: Programming with AppleTalk, by Michael Peirce.
Publisher: Addison-Wesley. ISBN: 0-201-57780-1.
You should find it invaluable for a beginning AT programmer.
I'd also look for Computer Networks by Andrew Tannenbaum, this is the
bible of networking when you want to learn more.
Peirce is often on Usenet, although I don't remember his exact address.
Just watch comp.sys.mac.comm.


rick gordon
rgordon@igc.org
rick_gordon@aldus.com  (my preferred address)
From: ccyang@oregon.uoregon.edu (Chun-Ching Yang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: How to increase transfer speed in Kermit
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.25JUL199219242022
Organization: University of Oregon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I just bought a 14,400 Modem. However, after trying to download the data from
the VAX in the university, I found the download speed from the mainframe to my
Mac was slow. The transfering speed was about 560 byts in each  TWO seconds. If
the high speed modem worked fine, then the transfer speed should be about
1,440  in ONE second. (Is that right?)
I have check the VAX and the modem there is 14,400. I don't expect that the
speed can  reach 1440 in a second but the speed I got was so slow. How come?

Can anyone help me solve this problem?


                                                        Yang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,ug.help
From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham)
Subject: formatting mac floppies on an ibm - HELP!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:29:41 GMT

here's what I want to do:

take a disk formatted for the mac and stick it in an ibm. Then reformat
it for the ibm at 720k. How do I do this??

I tried everything on my 486: format b: /u /f:720 (nice syntax huh?)  
I tried just about every format switch and nothing would work because there
was some error on track 0.

HELP
mike
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:21:31 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

}peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:

}>And remember who engineered the PB 100 - Sony.  The PB 100 is in many
}>ways a price reduced (and weight reduced!) Macintosh Portable.  Sony
}>took the basic design of the portable and did a rev 2.0.  They did
}>a great job if you ask me.

}  Me too.  I still don't really understand why practically nobody
}else agrees.  I keep reading reports from Apple dealers about how
}the PB 100 is a "dog", and that it's now on the short-list for
}elimination.

Add me to the list.  I decided on the 100 because I wanted the smallest,
lightest thing I could get (and it was cheaper besides).  The only reason
I even considered the 140 was because of the color QuickDraw support.
But then, most likely, by the time that color screens get low enough in
price that I would have considered upgrading a 140, there will be enough
other significant improvements that I'll want to get a whole new machine
anyway.

(It does make me wince, however, that the 100's are now going for less than
HALF the price I paid for mine . . .)

--James Preston
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:38:48 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
> >And remember who engineered the PB 100 - Sony.  The PB 100 is in many
> >ways a price reduced (and weight reduced!) Macintosh Portable.  Sony
> >took the basic design of the portable and did a rev 2.0.  They did
> >a great job if you ask me.
> 
>   Me too.  I still don't really understand why practically nobody
> else agrees.  I keep reading reports from Apple dealers about how
> the PB 100 is a "dog", and that it's now on the short-list for
> elimination.

Strange.  My local dealer has stacks of PB100's in stock, but doesn't bother
to stock 140's and 170's.

>   But I love it!  I get the feeling that the problem is that the main
> market for PB100s (without a built-in floppy) is for people who
> already own desktop Macs (such as myself).  And that most of these
> people have enough money to buy a PB170 so they just buy that.

I chose the 100 for the lead-acid battery, the smaller size and lighter
weight, and because if I bought anything more expensive I wouldn't want to
carry it anywhere...


mathew
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Ceci | n'est pas une pipe.

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From: austinov@leland.stanford.edu (Andrey Ustinov)
Subject: Quadra 950 sound
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:56:27 GMT

Hello,
we just set up Quadra 950, and installed extra 16 MB to bank C.  When we
started it, it played a strange one chord sound, and then started up very
nicely.  It plays the same sound after every restart, but works properly,
and shows 24 MB of RAM, that are installed on it.  It's fine in general,
the only suspicious problem IMHO is the sound.  It's practically the same,
as when the memory is not installed properly, but it does not show sad mac
icon, like in other Macs.  So my question is - is Quadra 950 supposed to
play this sound on startup, or something is wrong with it?
Please, help us, it's really urgent.

Please, e-mail me 24 hrs a day
Andrey.
austinov@leland.stanford.edu
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:16:54 GMT

In article <Brqqxq.v5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rolf@geoserv (Rolf Wilson) writes:
> 
> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Jul18.194414.10494@mmm.serc.3m.com>, usdta004@mmm.serc.3m.com (Timothy S. Shea) writes:
> >> 
> >> From article <14761@claris.com>, by mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner):

> >> I disagree with this statement.  Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had the same
> >> ideas about GUIs.  Apple hired away a good deal of the Xerox PARC
> >> developers...  Good old Bill Gates hired the rest away.  Windows and the
> >> Mac were under developement at the same time.  Mr. Gates only cared
> >> about the Mac because he sunk a good deal of money into developing
> >> applications for it...meanwhile he was developing Windows for the Intel
> >> machines...  A number of other companies also had GUI's under
> >> development for Intel machines...                       
> 
> >Windows and the Mac were under development at the same time?  Why then did
> >the Mac come out in 1984, and windows not come out until quite a number of
> >years later--and a halfway decent version of Windows didn't come out until
> >1990 or 91--six years after the Mac OS first came out.  And Windows, in a
> >number of ways, still hasn't caught up to the interface of the original
> >Mac OS.
> 
>   Windows 1.0 was announced somewhere around 1983 - I remember seeing it
> in Infoworld. I think it took most of 2 years before it was actually
> sold. For a while it was a running industry joke, and was one of the
> first products to be tagged "vaporware". But yes, it actually dates
> back that far.

Announcing a product and beginning development on it are not necessarily the
same thing.  Yes, Microsoft announced Windows when Apple introduced the Lisa.
Of course, at that time, Apple was working on the Mac, and Microsoft was
developing Multiplan, Chart, and BASIC for the Mac.  Yes, there was some
overlap during the development stages of both, but I read the original
message to mean that they started development at the same time; and that is
what I disputed.  The Mac was well underway when Apple went to Microsoft to
try to get them to develop Mac products.  That is when I think that Gates got
the idea to develop Windows.  If I misread the intent of the original message,
I apologize.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13746 alt.config:4882
From: daven@notable.com (Dave Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:15:55 PST
Organization: Notable Technologies, Inc.
Reply-To: daven@notable.com
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <cline.711794712@ebony.cs.scarolina.edu> (comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config), cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
| There has been a lot of discussion of late about Newton the pen based PDA
| that Apple will be introducing soon. Yet since this is not a Macintosh, and
| will not be using the MacOS it really doesn't seem to belong in
| comp.sys.mac.misc. Therefore, I propose the group alt.apple.newton an
| unmoderated group for the discussion of this device. Comments will be
| appreciated. If the consensus of opinion that I see is that such a group
| would be useful, then I'll get to learn about how to create a newgroup. If
| not, oh well.
| BTW, if I get no comments at all I'll take this as a lack of interest in
| such a group.
| 
| Ernest Cline		cline@cs.scarolina.edu		TheUSC
| "To turn the computer on, turn the on switch onto the on position."
| 

Rather than trying to come up a new group immediately, why not just move
Newton discussions over to  comp.sys.pen  for now.  There's not much that
goes in that group right now anyway, so the Newton traffic might liven that
group up.

--Dave

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From: boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Robert Luneski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PowerBook Cursor Utility?? Where??
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:49:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekgen.1032
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Hi,

   Some time ago I saw a small utility that increased the size of the text
insert cursor to make it easier to see on a PowerBook.  Well I didn't pay
much attention at the time, but now that I have a PowerBook I have a great
deal of interest in it :-) . It was either released in 
comp.sys.mac.binaries or on sumex but I can't remember where I saw it or what
it was called.  If someone knows what this utility is called and where I
maight be able to get ahold of it, I would be very grateful.

Thank you,

Bob Luneski
boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com
From: jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: LaserWriter splash page hack?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:06:44 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <Bs2Fro.C4w@world.std.com> Sarek@world.std.com (Garrett Fitzgerald) writes:
>I seem to remember a PostScript program posted a while ago that told
>LaserWriters not to print that page at powerup. Can someone mail it to
>me, if it does in fact exist? Thanks.

Try using Apple's LaserWriter Utility (not LaserWriter Font Utility).
From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble with mcvert Unix util
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:30:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Mechanical Engineering

:>Among the things were some self extracting archives.  When I
:>tried to execute them to extract them I got errors about available
:>memory
:
:I've experienced this same problem. I've used binary transfers, copies
                                               ^^^^^^
:to disk, and a number of other possible solutions to no avail. 

i like mcvert so i feel compelled to defend..
mcvert's output is in a format called "macbinary".  You need to
set your transfer program to macbinary mode ( not just binary )
or get a mac program such as "macbinary" ( not "macbin".. ) to
do the conversion after you get the file to the mac.

if your file is strictly 'data' ( such as a ".sit.hqx" ) then you
are ok without the macbinary translation, but it is nicer to do it right.
( you get a real stuffit icon for one thing. )



--
-george            george@mech.seas.upenn.edu  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: wayne@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Tony Wayne)
Subject: Is the Mic port accessed from the Toolbox?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:37:55 GMT

I'm thinking of using HyperBasic to write an xcmd for HyperCard.
But before purchasing it I need to know

IS THE MICROPHONE PORT ACCESSED FROM THE TOOLBOX?

I'm using an LC.
Thanks in advance
-Tony Wayne
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with the Andor One card?
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:50:48 GMT

In article <BrwC2o.J3t@DMI.USherb.CA>, beauchem@DMI.USherb.CA (Denis Beauchemin) writes:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Sorry if this has been discussed recently but I do not usually have time to
> keep up with this list...
> 
> Here it is: Is anybody familiar with the Andor One card that supposedly gives a
> PC the ability to run Mac software?  Someone handed me an article from a French
> magazine that says this card offers:
> 	- 1 68000
> 	- 1 MB RAM (up to 4MB)
> 	- 1 AppleTalk port
> 	- 2 SCSI ports
> 	- 1 audio out port
> 
> The article says that the card is twice as fast as a Mac Classic.  I find it
> difficult to believe. There's one gotcha though: you have to provice Mac ROMs
> and the Mac OS.

Yup, it is twice as fast as a Classic; it uses a 16MHz 68000--just like the
PowerBook 100 and Portable.

> BTW, it seems it only accepts Mac 512 or Plus ROMs.

512Ke or Plus ROMs.  You can buy the card with those ROMs, if you want.
 
> Any information on the performance of the card, where you can get it, quality
> of support, bugs, ... are welcome.  I will summarize.

Unless you need both computers in one case, you'd be better off buying a Classic
II; it would cost about the same as a functional Andor card (with ROM and 
SIMM memory), and would have a 68030 instead of a 68000.  You'd also have more
up-to-date ROMs.

It makes about as much sense to buy an Andor card as it does to buy an Orange
Micro 286 or 386 card for a Mac II.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How to fix I-bar cursor in Powerbook?
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:00:22 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hello!
 As I remember, somebody post a pogram a while ago to make the
I - bar cursor thincker to avoide losing it when you move cursor fast.

 Could you  send  me info what it is and where I can find one?


Thank you in advance,


D. Choi
choi@galton.uchciago.edu
choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu
From: msi@ESD.3Com.COM (Mark Isfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: SLIP for Mac
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:33:31 GMT
Distribution: comp

drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand) writes:


>Is there a SLIP implementation that works with Mac TCP?  Now for the
>second part,  is there a free or shareware implementation?

I know of no free or shareware SLIP for MacTcp.  However, the commercial
Slip implementations are reasonably affordable.

***Here is some information About Slip.  Most of it is from previous
messages that were sent to comp.sys.mac.comm.  I resend them without
permission, with added comments where I have additional input.
Such comments are preceeded with stars like this paragraph.
From: mackd@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Mack)
Subject: ACS FTP demo
Reply-To: mackd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:21:13 GMT


   Has anyone seen the FTP demo at sumex.  This demo allows a Mac
to become a FTP site with up to 20 clients at a time, different
access levels, etc.
   Well, recently I picked it up to take a look at and I found that
the demo is perfectly intact save that it will only run for 8min
then you have to restart the computer.  They also added that if 
wanted to try it out for extended periods they you send you one
tat was active for 15-30days.  I would really like to try this
out, but since the company is located in France I wanted to see
if anyone has seen or has the 15-30 demo version.

		-Mack
From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:33:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:

<somebody else's comments deleted>
: 
: I think comments like this come from people who are used to the ever-evolving
: technology coming from Apple, and who realize that the PB100 is "only" 4 year
: old technology repackaged.
: 
: It's probably difficult for such a person (which includes most people on the
: net) to put himself into the shoes of the average Price Club/consumer channel
: shopper, where PClones have run rampant for all these years but nothing like
: the PB has ever been shown.  The PB100 _is_ a good machine, yes--but when
: you're used to ci's and Quadras, it's tough to look at the PB100 and recognize
: its worth.
: 
: This is probably why many people the net hears from, and many people within
: Apple, consider the PB100 a "dog."  It's not, but it seems so under some
: circumstances.
: 
: --Adam--
:  

Well, I have both a IIci and a PowerBook 100, at home, and I can tell you
I'm using the 100 about 90% of the time. Mostly for writing, accessing the
Net, writing code, etc. The 100 is a joy to use and is not a "dog."

And many of my friends at Apple have bought 100s...the $1000 employee price
a couple of months ago was pretty attractive. I've heard no complaints. In
fact, one who bought a 140 now wishes he'd gotten the smaller, lighter,
lead-acid battery 100.

Having one's complete environment (well, almost complete!) in any room of 
the house, at the library, in coffehouses, at parties (Silicon Valley 
parties, you know!), etc., is just amazing. Try it, you'll like it.



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From: mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu (Mike W. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: How to Make The Namer Work in Sys 7!
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:06:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: derwentm.mike.w.miller.40-210792080412
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul20.132040.19561@news2.cis.umn.edu>, Patrick Parker
wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if/when The Namer is going to get an upgrade?  As far as I
> know it's not compatible with System 7, or at least I am unable to get it to
> run.  It's become an essential tool when you have something on the order of 30+
> printers on a zone and would rather not have 15 printers by the same name. 
> It's becoming a pain to run around and find a computer still running under
> System 6 to use this.

I'm surprised no one's posted the correct answer for this one...

To use the Namer in System 7, simply drag the device files for whatever
devices you wish to rename (LaserWriter, ImageWriter LQ, etc.) *outside*
the Extensions folder on your local machine.  The Namer can't find them
unless their sitting loose in the System Folder.  Once you've done your
naming, you may move the device drivers back into the Extensions folder. 
Voila.

Peace,
Mike!

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