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Here's an update on Vipers:

1992 Models

They're supposed to begin shipping '92's to dealers in April.  So far, most of
the prices I've heard are over $100k, however, my source at Dodge claims that
he's heard of a couple of dealers selling their '92's for MSRP.  Not in Calif.!

1993 Models

Dodge dealers can now place orders for 1993 Vipers (production scheduled to
begin in fall '92). Most dealers seem to want a $5k deposit and some 
premium ranging from $5k to $20k over MSRP.  I managed to find a dealer in
our area that would place the order for MSRP.  Incredibly, the whole 
experience was very pleasant.  He wrote up the order for MSRP, I gave him 
my deposit, and that was it.  No hassles, no dickering, nothing.  

Supposedly, Dodge will assign you a VIN and advise you of a build date so you
can go tour the factory during the building of your car, kind of like the 
Corvette program.  

Collectibles

Model Kits:  Revell's 1/25 scale snap-together kit is available now.  It's 
	     pretty detailed for a snap together.  Molded in Viper red.

             Ertl will release a 1/25 scale detailed kit in April followed by
	     a 1/32 snap-together kit in July.  

Diecasts:    Dodge informed me that Burago has an exclusive on diecasts and
	     plans to do a 1/24 scale Viper that will initially only be 
	     available through Dodge.  It's currently due around September.

	     Dodge is also planning to do a few more diecasts once the exclusive
	     contract is up.  Hopefully a 1/43 Franklin Mint or something? :)

Promos:      Ertl will be doing the 1/25 scale factory assembled promo model.
	     It's supposed to be available soon (April?).

Anyone else heard any news?

Maurice <Viperholic> Liang
From: sh50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sam Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Driver education...
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:03:43 GMT
	<1992Apr15.191756.22000@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Dear Spiros,

>I wonder if the average UK driver encounters the conditions we do,
>i.e.  on the average far more violent weather than in the UK, endless
>construction, congestion, many more cars on the roads, etc. Nature has
>its way of selecting who gets to live, in particular after 30 mile
>commutes on icy roads here :-). 

While it's true that the British Isles don't suffer from the servere
range of weather conditions that hamper parts of the US, we have our
fair share of bad weather. Yes, it's true that cliche about it raining a
lot and we also do have very bad fog, (especially near where I live).
Contructions and congestion is just as bad as any in the US, especially
in London. It used to take me 1hr 15 mins to drive 6 miles from my home
to school. 
However, I must admit that people in the US seem to travel much further
distances to get to work. I have friends in California that travel 40/50
miles to get to their summer jobs every day. That type of distance to
travel to work for the average Englishman would be absurd.

-Sam
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: Re: Boeing and the "Don't buy Japanese" rubbish
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
     <CARL.92Mar26112702@atlantis.Cayman.COM>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 18:00:26 GMT

In article  Carl Heinzl, carl@Cayman.COM writes:

>Isn't there something about free speech there?  How can Boeing tell
>their employees what they can do with their own personal private
>property?

A followup report I heard last night said that after a brief meeting with
union leaders, Boeing decided not to press employees to remove the
stickers.

- Peter
From: lsls00@iliad.kodak.com (Ilia Levi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Oil recommendations sought.
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:04:18 GMT
Reply-To: lsls00@iliad.kodak.com (Ilia Levi)
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak

What brands of oil are good? I saw Havoline oil in the store for 77 cents per
quart. Is it any worse than Penzoil or Castrol that cost more than $1/quart?
-- 


Ilia, levi@kodak.com
From: DST1@psuvm.psu.edu (David Tascarella)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passing cars on the right...why?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:45:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92107.134503DST1
 <Apr.16.11.51.23.1992.18476@blaze.rutgers.edu>
 <1992Apr16.164121.13516@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Apr16.164121.13516@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
(james.r.feeney) says:
>
>
>Anyway, just as he was about even with my car a Lexus came up behind him
>and rode his bumper until I was just starting to exit. Then the Lexus
>dropped into the right lane and took off. Throughout this whole episode
>the left lane was wide open! The Lexus also had Maryland tags on it so
>it's got to be more than just a N.J. problem.
>
>Jim Feeney

yes, IMHO, It is a common sense problem...err...the lack of it!!!

                                                  DAVE
 (yes my feathers are still ruffled)
From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: <<< Mustang Powered Miata >>>
Summary: the last of the morons :-P~
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:23:57 GMT
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Apr7.001353.10742@hubcap.clemson.edu>, lharris@hubcap.clemson.edu (Larry Harris) writes:
> jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk) writes:
> 
> Finally, an intelligable post on this subject!  Mr. Gunsul is obviously
> an idiot,

No your obviously a half-witted jerk. :-P

> so I choose not to stoop to his level and flame him anymore
> than this simple statement.

Gee, could of fooled me.

> At Clemson University we have a sports car club, where people own and
> autocross anything from Mazda GLC's (Glicks :-) to Corvettes.

Oh an expert!!
Please tell us more about your professional career.

Have you been frozen or something, a compromise has been reached on both 
sides, now we're having an adult conversation so obviously that doesn't
include you so shut the fuck up!!

> -- 
> -Larry Harris-                |  '86 Mustang lx 5.0 notchback
> lharris@hubcap.clemson.edu    |  Meyer's Tow'd Dune Buggy
> lharris@clemson.bitnet        |  OS-9, a leaner meaner UNIX
> Clemson Computer Engineering  |  RUSH, YES, R.E.M, The Who




                       David Gunsul 
                       dcg@mogun.uucp
                       

                       The information contained in the post above
                       may be unsuitable for younger or more sensitive
                       readers. This post was written as it happened,
                       nothing was reenacted.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: snoelc@condor.unx.sas.com (Eric L. Coates)
Subject: Re: Oil recommendations sought.
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:43:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Originator: snoelc@condor.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1100

In article <3009@eastman.UUCP>, lsls00@iliad.kodak.com (Ilia Levi) writes:
|> What brands of oil are good? I saw Havoline oil in the store for 77 cents per
|> quart. Is it any worse than Penzoil or Castrol that cost more than $1/quart?
|> --
|>
|>
|> Ilia, levi@kodak.com

I mailed this information directly to Ilia but since decided that
someone out there might also benefit from it.

I have always used Havoline oil.  Following are the cars my wife and I
have had:

'75 Mustang II 4 cyl. - sold with 130K miles
'83 Mercury LN7 4 cyl. - sold with 88K miles
'85 Audi 5000S 5 cyl. - sold with 112K miles
'87 Nissan 200SX 4 cyl. - sold with 86K miles
'87 Chevy S10 4WD 2.8L 6 cyl. - has 112K miles
'92 Ford Explorer 2WD 4.0L 6 cyl - has 3k miles

None of the vehicles ever used oil.  I have never had to add oil
between oil and filter changes, which I do personally every 5K miles.
Thus, I feel Havoline is the best oil regardless of how inexpensive
it is.  I do not know what kind of oil came from the factory in the
Explorer, but I do know that it will have Havoline in very soon.


Just my 2 cents.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: crash@hal.com (Chris Craddock)
Subject: Re: 300ZX vs SVX
Keywords: 4992
Organization: HaL Computer Systems
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:58:48 GMT

In article <7407@brchh104.bnr.ca>, ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood) writes:
|> In article <Apr06.023332.13689@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (Brutus Thornapple) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> I repeat:  The new RX-7 will kick both their butts
|> |> 
|> |> nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> eliot
|> 
|> 
|> Whattaya expect from 255hp, 2800 lbs, & 4.10 gears ?????
|> 
|> Of course I would never want to be hit by anything heavier 
|> than a beer can while driving it though!  8^o
|> 
|> 
|> $0.02
|> Ericy

And of course, you better start making time payments on your new
kidney dialysis machine, coz its gonna turn your kidneys into soup.

Geeeeeeeeeez, and we thought the Corvette had a hard ride....

:O)
-- 
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Alfa Romeo info
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:31:52 GMT

In article <180896@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.213619.25714@cbfsb.cb.att.com> klur@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (david.s.klur) writes:
>>I'm thinking about buying an Alfa Romeo Spider and would like
>>some advice.  

>>I've currently got a 1990 Saab 900S.
>>I don't know much about fixing cars.  Actually I dont
>>know anything about fixing cars.  

>    Unless you are independently wealthy, I wouldn't recommend the
>    Alfa Spyder in that case.  

>    Perpetual maintenance is a fairly common characteristic of
>    Alfa's...even though they are very nice classic roadsters
>    otherwise.

you are being unduly hard on the Alfa.  in particular, the 82-on
spiders, with the Bosch Fuel Injection, are reasonably reliable
cars.  i know quite a few spider owners whose response to your
posting would be `maintenence?  what maintenence?'  the spider
got a bad rap because of the spica injection system of the 70s
(a system which worked, but got hacked up by incompetent mechanics),
and because of teething problems with the first several years of
production of 2 liter motors (especially the head gasket problems,
long since fixed.)

>>Is it wise to use the spider as my primary (i.e., only) car
>>or should I keep my Saab and use the Spider as  a secondary car?

>    Would you really want to put all those miles on the Alfa?

i would concur with this; the spider is not really an all season
vehicle, especially in the snow belt.

>    I'd suggest fitting a tow bar to the back of the SAAB as well,,,
>    you are quite likely to need it.

again, i think that this is an unfair characterization.

richard
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (Brutus Thornapple)
Subject: Re: End of Golden Era at Honda
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:29:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.083211.14477@microsoft.com> jondu@microsoft.UUCP (Jonathan Dubman) writes:

>The new Integras
>are good but there is a subtle decline, 

Actually I have never thought highly of either the Integra I or II
in terms of dynamics, but since they are such a sales success I'm
sure many of you would disagree.  I have to admit that the II looks
good though, which probably account for a lot of its sales.

> Still, though a good design.  

Pretty sad chassis, IMO.  I've not driven very many cars that
understeer so much.  The dynamics are no match for its looks, or its
commercials, GS-R included.

>And the new Legend coupe is also an Oldsmobile in disguise. 

The Legend 2 was the first Honda that I drove that I thought had
decent dynamics.  The styling is growing on me too.  I hated it the
first time I saw it, but now it doesn't look as bad.

> Haven't
>tried the NSX, though that is probably a big exception to this claim.

I think that the NSX is being seriously upstaged by the RX7.  I also
think that its styling is quite a disappointment.

>And that new Prelude is the UGLIEST car I have seen a long time, with a
>dash that in my mind rivals old AMC cars in its lack of aesthetics.

Absolutely no disagreement here!

>For the same money I'd rather have an old Civic.

Which was designed in their California studios, if I'm not mistaken.

Don't forget the Vigor.  What a nasty, cynical piece of junk, all for
only 26 big ones.  Even CR doesn't think too highly of it, believe it
or not!!!!  I read somewhere (Autoweek?) that the marketing guys have
actually discovered that the presence of the Vigor is hurting, not
helping the sales of the Integra and Legend.

>Maybe I should look closer at Saturn. 

I would.  It would be PC to do it too.  :-) :-)

>They modeled
>their transmission after Honda's when Honda knew what it was doing.

Is that right?  Please tell more..


eliot

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup)
Subject: Re: Women & Cars (Was: Re: Should I buy an Eclipse?)
Organization: Software Tool&Die, (Boston), MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:42:59 GMT

In article <BM1wz3.Jpy@world.std.com>, kenny@world.std.com
(Kenneth R Crudup) writes:
> There's nothing wrong with planning for the future, but don't get a
> HiFi stereo VCR if you're only ever going to watch it on a 19" B&W set.
  		            ^^^^ ^^^^
> (Don't laugh, I've seen it happen twice).

In article <1992Apr6.131551.14089@b11.ingr.com> lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com says:
>Maybe the person with the VCR was going to buy a good TV next year when
>they have saved enough money to pay for it.

Nope. See the emphasis points above. I used to do in-home A/V/TV repairs in
high school for beer- er, college money, and I remember this woman that
had this elaborate Quasar do-it-all VCR, hooked up to the 19" (tube, no
less) monochrome set I was doing vert deflection work on. I asked her about
it, and she was telling me about how it had this, and that, and all the
while the clock was blinking 12:00. I asked her when she was going to get
a TV sufficient for the VCR, and she said there was no need, the picture
on the set was just fine.

Some salescum had a good day on her, huh?

-- 
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16 Plainfield St. Jamaica Plain, (Boston), MA 02130-3633
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:29:11 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <5313@nosc.NOSC.MIL> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>predominantly, the action of trying to pull intake air past a closed throttle
>plate is the source of 'engine-braking'...  don't believe someone saying
>'compression' because *that* is *not* true -- Diesels essentially freewheel,
>i.e. there is far *less* engine braking with a Diesel than with a gasoline
>engine (all other factors equal).

!?!??!

well, i'm not familiar with Walt's treasured mopar products, but
my mother's 1977 Mercedes 300D most assuredly has significant
engine braking behaviour when you lift up on the throttle; quite
a lot more than any gasoline powered car i've ever driven.

perhaps Walt is generalizing from too small a sample set?

cheers,
  richard
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From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1982-1983 Mercedes Benz 300 Series Caveats ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:24:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.7740171
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

pushp@nic.cerf.net (Pushpendra Mohta) writes:

>I promised a friend the wisdom of the net :-)
>She wants to buy a 1982 or a 1983  Mercedes 300 Turbo Diesel.
>What should she be aware of in particular  ? 


	Watch for A/C compressors.  They are made by Delco, but, were
	designed to be on the opposite side of the car. MB made a late
	design switch and continued using the compressors.  I've seen a
	LOT of '81, and '82 300 SD's with frozen A/C compressors.

	Watch the transmission. As I recall, the new 4 speed auto came
	out in 1981.  I've seen few with some problems (slippage, etc.).

	Watch the radiators.  MB 300SD radiators are plastic based and 
	often need to be replaced at about this age.

	Without saying, check the auto antenna.  It's rare to find an MB
	of that age where the damn antenna works right (it usually
	sticks).

	Check the power. I've seen an '82 that needed a camshaft
	replacement (due to wear) at 75K miles despite dealer records 
	showing regular oil changes at 3 to 3.5K miles (always Pennsoil 
	BTW, not exactly a glowing recommendation for Pennsoil).

	Check all the power switches (seats, sunroof, windows).  A
	replacement power seat switch is $75 (and that's if you install
	it yourself).

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser)
Subject: Re: dual radar detectors
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:52:19 GMT

mgh@hera.aps.anl.gov (Mike G. Hoffberg) writes:
> In article <7490@brchh104.bnr.ca> ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood) writes:
> 
> >
> >I currently own and operate two radar units. One is an Escort mounted above
> >the rear view mirror and the other is a grill mounted detector with a remote
> >unit inside the car. Basically they both work very well. They will both give
> >false alert signals occasionally, but years of use has tuned my ear to 
> >interprate the beeps. 
> 
> Do the units interfere with each other?  I assume that sinch both
> operate on the same Intermediate Frequency, that maybe the overall
> sensitivity is diminished on the system.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> MIKE
> 
> 
> -- 
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I don't have my collection of old Car & Driver magazines here at
school, but I do remember an article they did on testing several units
about 1 - 1.5 years ago.  They mentioned that there was a "leakage
factor" in a radar detector and that when one goes off, it can set
others off.  They tested the relative transmission of this leakage
from the detectors as well.  I think I've seen this idea at work at
Service Merchandise where they display about 6 to 8 detectors, all on,
next each other.  If one goes off, they all soon follow and become
intense (4 / 4 lights on and fast beeping).  Anyone out there know the
reasons for this or have that C&D article around to look through?

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: --NEED HELP with Pontiac Sunbird LE Please
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:44:52 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr8.120640.600@acsu.buffalo.edu> bphdarcy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SJ Roc D'Arcy, MBP) writes:
>
>Don,
>
>Pontiac has an 1-800 number for people experiencing such problems. 

   Is that 1-800-WHO-CARES?   (yeah, i know too many digits, but
			      ( the old 800-EAT-**** seemed a bit
			      (  rude.
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 12:46:00 EDT
From: Chad..... <CWL103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bug deflectors - worth the bother?

In article <1992Apr13.223129.929@lsil.com>, mitch@dc49.dc (Mitch Sako) says:

>In article 30139@cbmvax.commodore.com, dean@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jeff Dean -
>LSI Test) writes:
>>I'm getting a new Explorer, and I'm wondering if bug deflectors do
>>anything for a truck/SUV?

>I have a clear contoured deflector on my '91 Chevy 4x4 (Deflectashield) and
>there are two minor drawbacks that I know of.  The first is it causes my
>mirrors to vibrate slightly, probably due to some turbulance caused by the
>laminar flow around the side getting screwed up.

  My parents have a Chevy S-10 4X4 with a bug shield, only ours is not a deflec
ta-shield.  Anyway, we also experience the vibrations in the mirrors along with
above 35 m.p.h the windshield washers just blow all over the hood, i guess from
 the turbulence around the front of the windshield.  Good Luck in your decision
.  I think they are worth it.  The only other thing I can think of would be a b
ra, but that may do more harm than good to the paint if left on for long period
of time.......
                             Chad.
    CWL103@PSUVM.PSU.EDU


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chang@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chang)
Subject: Re: Passing cars on the right...why?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:00:47 GMT

Well since we are talking about the dangers of passing on the right,
I thought I would share this anecdote:

   On I-84 near Hartford, CT the speed limit drops to 40.  However,
   nobody who knows the traffic patterns around Hartford pays any
   attention to this.  This is despite the fact that there are
   big flashing lights that say "THE SPEED LIMIT IS 40".  Well,
   nobody, except people from out of town.

   One day, driving from West Hartford back to Glastonbury, on
   the other side of Hartford, I noticed a car with a Vermont
   plate driving in the left lane.  As far as I could tell
   she was keeping up with traffic, but she may have gotten
   on the highway via a *left* entrance ramp.  In any case,
   she actually *slowed down* when she reached the speed zone.
   Unfortunately, there was a line of cars behind her, and they
   all proceeded to pass her on the right.  This poor woman
   was trying as hard as she can, signalling with the right
   turn signal that she wanted to merge into the right lane.
   It must have been two miles before she managed to find
   a break in the traffic to get out of the left lane.

The moral of the story is:

   The driving patterns in the U.S. can be crazy because:

      1.  The highways have stupid features like left entrance ramps.
   
      2.  You never know if you should follow the speed limits.

Richard
From: poulson@cs.widener.edu (Joshua R. Poulson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Noisy car computer in '90 Fox GL
Date: 6 Apr 1992 13:07:33 -0400
Organization: Widener Univ. Dept. of Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lisa.cs.widener.edu

Is it normal for the car computer in the 1990 Fox (GL) to be making a
"spark plug"-like noise while the engine is running?  None of my speakers
is producing the noise as I have disconnected them and removed them from
the vehicle.  (I, at first, thought that this noise was in my audio
system.)

Looking under the dash I found what seems to be the car computer.  Since
my car is still under warranty (in certain regards) I figure that if the
computer is not supposed to be making that noise then I can get it
fixed.  Otherwise, I'm covering it with foam.

The noise is rather annoying, but it is low-level (40 - 50 dB).

-- 
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Systems Programmer, Widener University     [poulson@cs.Widener.EDU]
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From: borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:57:07 GMT
Subject: Re: 88 Jetta GL woes...
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.