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From: 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: All about Diesels (LONG!)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:50:51 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


In article <1992Nov19.223724.21662@engage.pko.dec.com>, pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.025415.6438@gw.wmich.edu>, 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes...
> 	I shouldn't even pick nits on Fred's excellent piece (which should be
> 	a FAQ, somewhere...)
> 
>>EMD's first main model was the FT which I'm sure stood for freight
>>It had 1350 HP(horse power) They were designed to be semi-permanently
>>coupled and sold usually as sets. They came in both A and B.
> 	ummmmm.  EMD had been shipping the passenger E's in sufficient quantity,
> 	I think, to class that as the first main unit.  In any case, _switchers_
> 	now forgotten, or replaced by downrated road units, were the first
> 	numerically significant.  Diesel has more advantages over steam
> 	as switching power than as road power.

oops sorry, forgot about that, they had been building them in the 30's.
Oh well, thanks for the clarification.
>>F2A,F2B 1350HP
>>F3A,F3B,F7A,F7B 1500HP
>>F9A,F9B 1750 HP
> 	I would add the FL9, the diesel/third rail units built for NYNH&H
> 	(and STILL running...)  More were built of these than the BL1's.  They
> 	operated (operate...) thru trains to Grand Central Terminal, by running
> 	off third rail.

I totally forgot about the FL9, never having seen one (course I haven't seen
most of the others either) but it was also an uncommon engine. I made sure
to include the BL1/BL2 since it's one of my favorite engines ;^)
(The RR I model CSX, most of it's predeccesors had BL2's, C&O,PM,WM,MONON,
1/2 of CE&I which went into L&N)

> 
>>We also have the E unit, which is like the F unit, except it has 3 axle
>>trucks, called A1A since the center axle is not powered
>>They also have 2 engines in them, to give them more HP.
>>Here are the models:
>>EA,EB,E1A,E1B,E2A,E2B 1800HP
>>E3A,E3B,E4A,E4B,E5A,E5B,E6A,E6B,E7A,E7B 2000HP
>>E8A,E8B 2250 HP
>>E9A,E9B 2400 HP
> 
> thanks
> dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
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> 40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
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From: cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters)
Subject: Re: Uses for foaming sealer?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:01:40 GMT

In article <45460022@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> js@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Sawyer) writes:
>
[snip]
>
>I'd like to hear if anyone has used this product.  How "stiff" was the
>foam when it came out of the can?  Could you make a free standing
>mound of the stuff, or is it pretty "soupy"?

It is about the consistency of whipped cream from an aerosol can, with a touch
more "body".  It is DAMNED sticky though, and you should wear protective (i.e. 
old) clothes and gloves.  Working it while it's still fresh reduces the 
expansion (since you're breaking the bubbles 'natch).
>
>It strikes me that this might be a quick and easy way to build a
>foundation for mountains.  Squirt a pile of the stuff on a corner of
>your layout, let it harden, do some rough shaping with a knife or a
>Surform, then cover with Sculptamold (or whatever).

Expensive for any sizable project, unless you want to build a form (cardboard
web or similar - I keep thinking of using fiberglass window screening) and
foam the outside of it.  You don't need much more than a cardboard form with
newspaper covering it to make a hollow mountain.  The foam is VERY VERY
sturdy (like, it takes a hammer and chisel to get it to release from 
painted wood!), and can stand a lot of abuse in thicknesses down
to 3".

It forms a nice skin if left to dry, and carves like extruded foam.  It can be 
painted with latex paints without problem, and seems impervious to most other
chemicals; it is designed to be exposed to the elements.
>
>Potential advantages:  less mess than carving bead board; no framing
>members needed as with hardshell techniques, thus less weight (a plus
>for portable or modular layouts), ...?

It seems to be compatible (i.e. it does not eat) extruded foam or beadboard.
The extreme cohesive and adhesive features make it very nice as a "Glue" to
hold structures made of these together.  I'm planning on building scenery
from extruded foam, and using a can of this as glue to hold it together.

>
>Possible problems:  you'd have to make a cover for your tunnel tracks
>to keep the stuff away from the right-of-way; leaks in that tunnel
>when squirting could cause a messy "cave-in" that might be hard to
>reach/fix; ...?

You don't really want to work it in a solid pile, it releases (nasty smelling
and probably bad 4 u) fumes.  You could build it up gradually as a hollow 
shell - it skins quickly and hardens fairly fast.

BUT!  Practise with it outside, away from everything you don't want foam on,
and WEAR OLD CLOTHES!  This stuff is worse than instant glue!  Until you
practise, it is hard to get a decent control over the flow of the stuff.
You need to learn to stop the trigger about 2 breaths before ending your bead,
and allowing the remainder to expand out.

-Coyt

BTW - it makes a GREAT way to pull out hair from your arms if you leave them
bare and come into contact with it!
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: CFV: rec.crafts.metalworking
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:17:28 MST
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    screwing, folding, etc.  (this section was added during the discussion)
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From: hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller)
Subject: Re: Looking for the Colorado Midland
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:57:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

I think clover house has a few Colorado Midland dry transfers in HO.
not much, but it's something.  I'm awaiting my first order from
them.. (just sent it in tuesday).  I didn't get the CM transfers, but
I got some others.  I'll let you know how they turn out.
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From: car@access.digex.com (Mr. Blue)
Subject: Stewart Models
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:08:16 GMT

I have been told that Stewart makes some of the best diesels out there.
Can anyone tell me in a nutshell, why this is true? What makes it better
than, say, an Athearn?? Do they have can motors? By the way I also see
the word Kato also..is that a type of motor or a company name or both??

Do you have to do anything special to a stewart diesel to put Kadee
couplers on it?? Also, do you recommed that I buy dummy A and B units
when  I buy a powered unit? (Im looking at F7's for now) 

Who's a good supplier of these models? I rarely see them advertised in MR..
Athearn and Bachman seem to show up much much more in the mail order
advertisements...

How long has Stewart been around anyway...I was in the hobby 12 years ago
and dont remember seeing them then?? (for that matter can anyone tell me
what ever happened to the Troller power-pack company??)

Much thanks,
Chris

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From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Pantograph pickup width Swiss 460
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:20:40 GMT

I read in mbz 5/92 that Roco's HO model of the new Swiss class
460 engines has a pantograph with a pickup only half the width
(+- 3mm instead of +- 6mm) of what the NEM standard says.

Presumably this corresponds with a similar decrease on the
prototype. How has this been accomplished? Has catenaries been
restrung since an "old times" and if so only on some lines,
or what? (Modelers get an adapter to make the pickup wider.)
--
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:53:46 -0500 
From: George Sullivan Clayton <gc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Command Control

   Could someone please tell me if you can get a CTC-16 (or 32) reciever
in a stock Athern Unit with a Constant lighting circuit.  Also does
anyone have an address so I can get in touch with someone with a CTC-32
as the sixteen is a little small for "The Current Plan".
                Thanx
                    -GEORGE CLAYTON
                     gc2w@andrew.cmu.edu (unix)
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From: car@access.digex.com (Mr. Blue)
Subject: Command Control
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:54:57 GMT

Didnt someone save a bunch of postings on command control?
Could we get that into the FAQ?
From: sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Bachmann+ F7, Spectrum Pass car quality?
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:50:28 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <57064@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> pesce@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Leo Pesce) writes:
>
>I speculate that Bachmann F7 uses the same type of wheels as the F40PH
>and being a cheeper engine, the drive is not as good (but close) to the
>Spectrum one. For the money though it should be a nice engine. I am 
>considering to buy a few (GN abba set). This brings me to a question:
>
According to Bachmann the Bachmann+ line has the same drive mechanism as the
spectrum line.  The difference is that the Sprectrum line has a superior
body while the + line normally only has minor improvements to an older
shell.

Stan Ames
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From: ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly)
Subject: Command Control: What is the current state of NMRA standard?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:54:30 GMT


I remember reading a few messages on this a while back but could someone
give an update of where the NMRA is at on deciding on a standard?  If they
aren't close yet how about a comparison of the various systems out there. 
Thanks.  --Ryan

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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: TRIANG
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:47:40 GMT
Organization: Bugs-R-Us

In article <1992Nov13.212019.22802@bnr.ca> Mike King writes:

#     Thanks for all the replies.  It turns out that my friend's
#  mother-in-law is going to visit London in a short while.  Is there a
#  model train shop in London which might have Triang/Hornby OO/HO stuff
#  around? I seem to remember a model shop near Holborn


The shop you are talking about is called Beatties.  It is still there. 
Hamley's on Regent Street went bankrupt.  Go to Beatties first and buy
the magazine RAILWAY MODELLER; this lists specialist shops; you can then
go to visit those.  I'd recommend Victors, near Kings Cross. 

Incidentally, I cannot send mail to you because the header in your
message does not contain your complete address. 

Ken Johnson




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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Pantograph pickup width Swiss 460
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:15:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.053023.25928@news.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:

>I've always been impressed with Swiss catenary, because they
>seem to make more consistant use of curved catenary than any
>other place I've been.  That is, when rounding a curve, the
>catenary wire (or top wire, or support wire) is off to one
>side, so that it pulls the running wire to the side at every
>support point.  This keeps the running wire within a few
>(prototype) centimeters of the centerline of the track, so
>narrow pickup shoes should pose no problems.

>By comparison, most catenary I've seen in the US, or France and
>Italy, for that matter, has been strung with the support wire
>directly above the running wire, so that both hang straignt
>from one lineside support pole to the next.  This leads to
>deviations of on the order of 10 to 20 cm from the centerline
>of the track on a curve, and it clearly needs a wider shoe for
>safe running.

I was always impressed by the appearance of the NYNH&H cat.  They had
two cat's supporting each conductor which swung down and in to the bottom
then up and out again.  The series of triangles resulting from the 2 cat
to conductor and the cat to cat support bars was a sight to behold.

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From: res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: B&O Historical Society
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:22:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov17.133941.26028@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, wmcfadde@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William McFadden) writes:
> Can someone provide me with information on how to contact the B&O Historical
> Society, if such a thing exists?

It does indeed exist!!

From the back of my Charter Membership card:

	The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Historical Society
	P.O. Box 13578
	Baltimore, Maryland 21203



					Rich Strebendt
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From: paul.ribeiro@rose.com (paul ribeiro)
Subject: Re: Bruce Chubb, UCI
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:57:47 GMT
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Date Entered: 11-21-92 19:54
B(> What is the name and ISBN of the book?  Thanks, in advance!
Hi Bruce,
it's "Build your own universal computer interface"
bruce chubb, isbn 0-8306-3122-4 tab books (c) 1989
the october model railroader has an article by him on updates
he's done.
/Paul
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From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Great Model Railroads '92 seen?
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:03:02 GMT


RE: Great Model Railroads
 
Well, I've seen it in hobby shops around here. Of course, considering
those hobby shops are in Kalmbach's home town...(grin)
 
Have you noticed what the delay is for the magazines to get to your
hobby shops from the US? Since GMR just came out this month, it might
take a while.
 
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WISE Div., NMRA
From: smithw@hamblin.math.byu.edu (Dr. William V. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Suggestion to Rail Power Products : DDA35 shell
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:48:32 GMT
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In-reply-to: billg@bony1.bony.com's message of Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:00:05 GMT

Well, if you want to see double diesels in styrene, write to
Dana Stark at RPP.  Right now he has no plan for such shells,
but if the requests come in, its not out of the question!
He could easily make them in two halves ;-)
-Bill
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From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: remote peco switches
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:07:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <Bxxn2I.Gz7@math.uwaterloo.ca>, rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs) writes:
> So I hooked up the switch machine to the turnout, and the switch
> machine doesn't have enough force to over come the spring to turn
> the points (?)  (ie.  to switch the direction of the turnover).
> The switch machine does work, but just not when the pin is in the
> throw bar since it doesn't exert enough force.

I don't have any Peco switches, but the ones I've seen were nice enough
to make me consider using Code 100 rail instead of Code 83 (I model in HO).
Of course, one of the reasons I like them is the strong snap action
that holds the points firmly against the rail...

Yah, I can easily see how some switch machines might have trouble with
it.  Trying a new switch machine might be the best bet; failing that,
use them in places where you want manual turnouts, especially if you
need power-routing.

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From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Subject: Re: remote peco switches
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:34:20 GMT

In article <Bxxn2I.Gz7@math.uwaterloo.ca>, rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I recently purchased some N scale #6 Peco (electrofrog) switches, and
|> the switch machines.  Eagerly I awaited there arrival in the mail, and
|> today I received them.
|> 
|> So I hooked up the switch machine to the turnout, and the switch
|> machine doesn't have enough force to over come the spring to turn
|> the points (?)  (ie.  to switch the direction of the turnover).
|> The switch machine does work, but just not when the pin is in the
|> throw bar since it doesn't exert enough force.
|> 
|> Any Suggestions?  Should I return the switch machines?  Should
|> I return the switches?  Any help greatly appreciated!
|> 

I have a number of HO Peco switches and switch machines.  I have never seen
an N scale Peco switch machine so I can only assume that it is designed in
the same way as an HO version -- only smaller.

All of mine work fine when I power them from any of my MRC (1500, 2500, etc.)
power packs.  However, I once tried to power them from a cheap (old) Tyco
transformer.  When I did this, I had the same problem that you have described.

My conclusion was that you needed a "reasonable" power source in order for
the switch machines to operate properly.

What are you using as a power supply?

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From: matheys@online.cern.ch (Jean-Pol Matheys)
Subject: Maximum Grade for Straight, Downhill-only, Hidden Track Section
Reply-To: matheys@online.cern.ch
Organization: CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:11:41 GMT


Dear Net,

I have seen in many places recommandations on the maximum grade one should use
in a decent layout (numbers cluster around 2.5 % if I'm not mistaken). This is
fine in most situations (especially for visible, uphill slopes).

My case is a little different:  I have a straight section of track, which will
be used downhill only and which will be hidden (under a small hill). In such a
case, what would be the maximum grade I could use ? How about 8 % ?

If it makes any difference: I model in H0 scale, and I use Marklin's 3-rail AC
system.

--
Jean-Pol Matheys

CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics    |   Jean-Pol.Matheys@cern.ch
ECP Division  /  Data-acquisition Systems Group    |   matheys@online.cern.ch
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