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From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Kelly vs. Rypien
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:24:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Don.5.0@wang.com>, Don@wang.com (Don Rivard) writes...
>In article <Bs4p7L.JDn@acsu.buffalo.edu> v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John
>of Gaunt) writes:
>>In article <CPM.92Jul27163911@clyde.clearpoint.com>, cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
>>writes...
>>>In article <1992Jul27.030033.8073@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@sepulveda.math.ucla.
>>>edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:

[all earlier stuff deleted]

>>[first poster's concessions deleted]

>>>>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

>>>Chris Martel

>>Snoopy

>Mark Rypien a pretender? I don't think so. Granted that Kelly is a GREAT
>quarterback, but so is Rypien. He out played Kelly in the superbowl. I do
>not know what kind of numbers that he put up last year, but he deserves alot
>more credit than that. Could you PLEASE tell my what a guy has to do to 
>get the credit he deserves. Buy the way I am not a Redskin fan or a 
>big Rypien fan. I just feel that the guy gets no credit for what he has done.
>He my not be the BEST, but he is certainly no pretender.

	He has had one good season, with a team that supposedly has much more
talent than the Bills.  Even then, Kelly still had a better season, and Kelly
didn't play well.  Rypien did not outplay Kelly in the Super Bowl.  The Redskins
outplayed the Bills.
From: oq8y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys training camp [4. TE's]
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:27:45 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Jul25.193614.34454@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes: 
> The less informed fans will appreciate it if the more informed fans supply
> info. about the TE's in camp:
> 
>     (1) Paycheck Novacek... is he still holding?
> 
>     (2) A. Roberts... he is a good blocker. Are they planing to envolve him in
>     the passing game?
> 
>     (3) F. Wacasey... this rookie is huge (6-7 244). I hope his playing
>     ability is as big as his size. How good are his hands? Is he a good
>     blocker?
> 
>     (4) any other prospects?
> 
> Thanks.... AAA....
Hmmm.... If you REALLY want help for your fantasy team (I know I do), then
why don't we start a mailing list for football info.  Or are you just
interested in the "point scorers" on offense?  ;)
Jon Cohodas
oq8y@vax.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: collins@gdwest.gd.com (CWC 439085557 Collins)
Subject: Re: Chargers news
Organization: General Dynamics / Computer Sciences Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:17:53 GMT

In article <36238@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>
>QB Friesz signed yesterday. A two-year contract loaded with incentives.

How much?



Gary John (Collins)


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gt38091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: Neal "The Real Meal" Anderson info wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:14:36 GMT

john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin) writes:

>What's the scoop on Anderson this year?  I heard that he had some family
>problems last year and the combination of that and his injury's kept him
>from having an up to par (gasp! argh! a golf term!) year last year?

well, for starters, his dad was accused of shooting his fiancee i don't
know what ever happened to neal's mom...anyway, let's hope he's moved on!!!


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Team Logo gifs or jpegs
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:56:26 GMT

Does anyone have or know where I can FTP any NFL team logos in gif or
jpg format?

-John Nolin-
Geaux Saints!!!!!!!!
Go Fins!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer depth chart starters
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:22:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.184606.12344@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>Looks like the Packers finally released a depth chart because the most 
>recent issue of Packer Plus contained the currently project starting 
>lineups:

John's source is the PP; mine is the 7/25/92 Green Bay Press-Gazette
(GBPG).  I'm not sure whether either is official, or if they're both
press projections.  Anyhow, take this with a grain of salt.

>QB:   Don Majkowski

Favre & Detmer both benefitting from additional reps due to Tomczak's
holdout.

>FB:   Darrell Thompson
>HB:   Vincent Workman

>LWR:  Sterling Sharpe

GBPG lists this as flanker, with Charles Wilson as the top backup.

>LT:   Ken Ruettgers  (unsigned)
>LG:   Rich Moran

Moran's also unsigned.

>C:    James Campen
>RG:   Tony Mandarich
>RT:   James "Tootie" Robbins (Trade - Cardinals)

>RWR:  Sanjay Beach (PB - SF)

GBPG still lists Kemp as #1, but Kemp's holding out, which may turn
out to be a big mistake.

TE:  Ed West, then Jackie Harris (both holdouts)

>LCB:  Vincent Clark
>SS:   LeRoy Butler
>FS:   Chuck(les) Cecil
>RCB:  Terrel Buckley (Unsigned)
>LOLB: Tony Bennett
>LILB: Brian Noble

Noble's also a holdout.

>RILB: Johnny Holland
>ROLB: Scott Steven
>LDE:  Shawn Patterson

GBPG lists LDE as Brock, then Patterson, Davey, and Barrie.

>NT:   Esera Tuaolo

Look for Conover to be waived soon, with Jurkovic or Bradley as the
backup.

>RDE:  Matt Brock

GBPG lists this as Brown backed up by Archambeau and Townsend.

>The only real surprise is probably Shawn Patterson moving ahead of 
>Robert Brown before camp even started.  This was to be expected 
>eventually anyway with the Packers now 1-gapping.

This is likely.  Archambeau's another possibility.

>A mild surprise might be Sanjay Beach at WR.  Perry Kemp was destined 
>to lose the starting job but I thought they might list him #1 for now 
>because I'm sure the position is still wide open.

I don't think this has been decided yet.  But Kemp would be well
served to sign and report.

>I know Buckley and Ruettgers are unsigned.  I'm writing this from 
>memory so I may have some things wrong and more of the players listed 
>might be unsigned.  I'll bring the paper in tomorrow and check the 
>details.

Unsigned Packers (from the 7/26 GBPG):
        Terrell Buckley
	Mark D'Onofrio
	Mike Tomczak
	Ed West
	Jackie Harris
	Perry Kemp
	Charles Wilson
	Robert Brown
	Lester Archambeau
	Brian Noble
	Bryce Paup
	Rich Moran
	Ken Ruettgers
-- 
	"Bad nation!  Bad nation!  Shame on you for contaminating my
	Lake!" -- Mary Jacobs regarding L. Michigan.

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: i000506@disc.dla.mil (Carlos Deno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: dolphin news
Keywords: football
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:37:33 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS GONE TO THE MIAMI DOLPHINS 
CAMP AND CAN GIVE ME NEWS ON HOW THEIR TEAM IS PROGRESSING.
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.Com (Timothy Jehl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CFL vs NFL: Why different rules?
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:27:43 GMT
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Originator: tjehl@mirage


In article <1992Jul30.093537.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherrick) writes:
|> I have always wondered why there are major differences in CFL and NFL 
|> rules (3 vs 4 downs, backfield in motion OK or not, etc.). I believe 
|> football is the only sport with such large inter-country differences. 
|> Why? Another example of Canadian concern for self identity? Politics? 
|> Or is there a sensible reason that I don't know about?
|> 
|> Mike

   When the CFL was first being organized, it was my impression that they
felt that they needed a more exiting game that the NFL version.  I don't
know if this was because they thought the NFL was boring, or because they
needed a "better game" to compete as an entertainment medium, because of
generally inferior players (Let's face it.  They have enough money to hire
a few super stars, but can't afford to stock entire teams with NFL quality
players).
   The thinking then was that the most exciting play was the forward pass
(preferrably completed), so the rules have been tailored to make the CFL
a passing game.  Less downs deters the running game, while being able to
have running backs move toward the line during the count definitely aids
the passing game.  In addition, I think the field size was modified to
favor the passing game (it's wider, I believe), although it may also allow
for larger running games, which is of course also exciting.  In all cases,
they were trying to avoid "three yards and a cloud of dust" football.

Tim
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:03:42 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <Bs7vGA.LIp@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt) writes: 
|> In article <1992Jul29.143326.1340@makesys.com>, john@makesys.com
|> (John Turman) writes... 
|> >4. The only thing keeping Miami from getting to the playoffs last
|> >   year was a 
|> >   porous defense, their offense has never been a question mark since the
|> >   arrival of Dan Marino 10 years ago. And they have shored up an ageing
|> >   receiver corps with the drafting of speed burner Lee miles and plan B
|> >   acquisition Robert Clark from Detroit. The other plus here is
|> >   the addition 
|> >   of Bobby Humphry which should improve the shaky ground game.
|> 
|> 	Bobby Humphrey might help the Dolphins.  Most likely, he'll just whine
|> like he did in Denver and not be of much use.  As for the Dolphins' offense,
|> it is something of a question mark.  Marino is just as good as ever, but the
|> Dolphins no longer have two dominant receivers, and their offensive
|> line doesn't pass-protect as well as it used to.

I'll agree that Bobby Humphrey is a question mark.  He could be the
star running back that the Dolphins need ... but that's what they said
about Slippery Sammie Smith.  Still, they couldn't be any worse off
with Humphrey this year than they were with Smith last year.

I disagree that the Dolphin offense is a question mark.  Clayton and
Duper each had over 1000 yards last year - they are still very good.
And with Clark and possibly Miles, plus the return (probably brief,
but who knows ;-) of Fred Banks, the Dolphins are in as good a
position at wider receiver as they've been in years.

As for the offensive line, last year they had some problems in the
first 5 weeks - they gave up 13 sacks in the first 5 games.  After
Webb returned in week 6, they gave up 14 sacks in the last 11 games.
What the offensive line needs is to stay healthy, and they will be
just fine.  

And for those who haven't heard, Dwight Stephenson has joined the
Dolphins as an assistant offensive line coach.

-- 
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: PICKS - Preseason Week #1
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:12:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


Preseason Week 1
----------------

This is a VERY light week for NFL games.  Each game will have a weight of 7,
for a total possible score of 28.  Please do not change the weights.  Mail
this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the subject
line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark your
choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box (like this: [x] not like this: [ x]
and not like this: [x ]).  Put your initials after the word "Initials:" (on
the same line!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have questions about this
form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you still need to sign up,
YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word "signup" in the subject line.
Do not reply to this message unless it is to send in your picks.
See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

This form is due at 1PM PST (8PM GMT) on Saturady, Aug 1.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

 WT  Away			Home
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[ 7] [ ] Houston		[ ] Dallas at Tokyo, Japan          
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:16:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>Joe Montana still says he feels like he's not getting much zip on the
>ball, and complains that his arm feels tired. He took half of Friday off,
>then did not throw Saturday or Sunday, then yesterday he threw only
>30 passes (he was scheduled to throw 40). He has been diagnosed as
>having "tired tendons", and has been advised to cut back for the rest
>of training camp. However, he is still scheduled to start Monday night
>against the Broncos.


According to the wire service story I read this morning, Joe will be
sitting out practica ll day today because his arm is sore and tired.  This
is not a good sign.  I am beginning to think he will not be able to
return.  Good thing the Niners kept Steve Young.  I hope it's not so, but
all dreams fade to fond remembrance at some time.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Moon walks at camp
Keywords: $$$ dispute??
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:04:01 GMT

In article <l7b3esINNcr@cronkite> nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Heard that Moon walked out on the Oilers taining camp?  What is the story here?
>Any news on when he'll be back?
>
>Nate McConnell				|Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
>nate.mcconnell@sun.com			|         NFF Central Champs '91
>					|	  NFF East Champs '89 and '90
>

I thought "moonwalking" was passe' what's going on here :~) ?


John
-- 
The opinions expressed here are sole property of the author and are not
the opinions of Make Systems or any other entity. What a shame.
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John "Dolphinatic" Turman
From: aok@herschel.berkeley.edu (Alan Kamas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Magazine Prediction Table - 22 Entries
Date: 30 Jul 1992 23:27:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: herschel.berkeley.edu

Thanks Ross for compiling so many predictions for 1992.

I'm curious to know the track record of these annuals and magazines.
Has anyone compared last year's predictions to last year's actual
results?  

- Alan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:41:46 EDT
From: <KJB6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Raiders & Steelers schedule needed

I know this has already been posted a few times, but I did not get these
two schedules. Could someone send to me the Raiders and Steelers schedules?


Thanks,


Ken Bauer
Pennsylvania State University - Behrend College
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: The Standard Bike (was Arm air foils...)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:09:08 GMT

In article <5549@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> roat@rrc.chevron.com writes:
>In article 1@zodiac.rutgers.edu, arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu () writes:
>>spesau writes...
>>
>>
>>>One thing that Langford and another top triathlete (Dave Smit) had on
>>>where foils developed by Profile that you put on your arms.  They
>>>decrease in width for about 12 inches (look kind of like an
>>>airplane wing) that are strapped to the biceps.  They are suppose
>>>to be worth about 1.5-2 min in the 40 km.  Look for them in
>>>Cleveland.
>>
>>
>>I mean no offense to Shane, nor do I wish to start a traditionalist versus
>>tri-geek flame war, 

Oh-oh.  too late.

>
>Oh lets get this thing really fired up.  How about standardizing the bike used in a 
>triathlon?  It would cost say $500.  Everybody must use the exact same bike in their size.  No modifications could be made.  Under this scheme, we would all be competing on the same turf.  The harder you train, the faster you will go on the standard bike.  Every 3 years the bike gets updated and we all have to buy a new one.  I for one would vote for no disk wheels - to heavy anyway, aero bars, standard bike racking feature - no more goof balls taking up three spaces on the bike racks, and clipless p
>
>
>
>  And none of this armband wing garbage or helmets with tail fins on them or any other crap like that.  Just you, the standard bike, a bathing suit, bike shorts (optional), plain old shoes, and a plain old helmet.
>
>What do the folks in ether land think of this idea?  Asbestos underwear on - flame away.


On the other hand, why don't we allow fairings and recumbants?  They've 
drawn the line before, it's just that they drew it on the other side of
aerobars and discs.  I'm not convinced that someone on a carbon framed
bike with dura-ace has any *real* advantage over someone on a cromoly bike with
rx-100 or whatever, so I don't count that kind of money spent.

Strapping styrofoam to your arms serves no purpose other than to give every
one else one more uncomfortable thing to buy to keep up.  Why not just raise 
the entry fee, and give the money to the homeless or something more useful?
How long before they adopt the ones for the back of the calves too?  Christ,
you're gonna look like a Transformer stepping off of the bike.

...uh, well, I guess that establishes me more on the traditional side.  Now,
I'll just take my $1000 carbon fiber bike, with aerobars, flight control
shifters, covered wheel, and I'll go sit down.

                                Bob

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-- 
Bob Brand
From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Wanted:  Cycling club in NJ
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:30:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

I am looking for a competitive cycling club to train and ride with.  I would 
be adopting conventional cycling gear (no tri stuff).  My goal is to learn how 
to ride with a pack, and eventually (and hopefully) compete in cycling events.

I live in the central NJ area (North Brunswick), so a club there is my first
choice.  My second choice is to find a club in New York City that rides in
Central Park, or perhaps in the Bronx.

Anyway, please e-mail (reply) all suggestions directly to me.  Thanks.

Rolf Arands
arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: liebchen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Armin Liebchen)
Subject: Source of Wetsuits
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:10:14 MDT
Organization: University of Utah/Computer-Science
Distribution: usa


Does anyone know of places where to buy wetsuits? I looked through the
ads in the Triathlete, but it seems this item is not in fashion around
this time of the year,

Armin.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: U.S. Swim & Fitness Triathlon
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.183634.20316@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.123126.15509@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>>
>>Yup!, everyone should be more familiar with Mark, Carol, and some of the
>>other Canadian team members, after this year's World Championships in
>>Muskoka!
>>
>
>Hate to sound geographically ignorant, but where is Muskoka?  I can't find
>it on any maps of Canada I have.

Muskoka is in the beautiful north of Ontario, 2.5 hours drive from Toronto.

-- Zeke.
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Ironman Dist. tips?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:11:14 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Sorry about all those typos and the poor spelling.
Hey, I was in a little hurry, ok.

John.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Training in Boston
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:32:24 GMT

Well it looks like I may have to move from Palo Alto to Boston :-(.

Can anybody tell me about training in Boston. Are there any good Masters
teams? When do they swim? And where in hell do you ride around Boston with-
out becoming auto-fodder?

thanks much

tom

-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
From: giller@ttisms.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Olympics?
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:15:48 GMT
Organization: Touch Technologies Inc., San Diego CA

In article <1992Jul17.201250.6680@walter.bellcore.com>, kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
Erin Baker set an American road race record approximately a year and a
half ago.  Not sure of the distance or how her time would compare to
times today, however, her effort is worth noting.  Anyone out there
familiar with the details of this race?> Please name ONE triathlete, male or female, who is Olympic
caliber
in
> two of running, swimming, and cycling.  For a 10K, that would mean under
> about 28:30 (male, I don't know about female times); for swimming, that
> would be a 1500m long course under about 15:20 or so.  As great as the
> best triathletes are, they are NOT world-class in the individual
> specialties (with exceptions, such as Lance Armstrong in cycling and
> some swimmers, maybe).  The best distance swimmers could do 2.4 miles
> (without a wetsuit) in close to 40 minutes; Miguel Indurain just did a
> 40+ mile time trial in the Tour de France at over 30mph (!!!); I think
> the US Olympic qualifying mark for the marathon is around 2:18.
> 
> An Ironman relay of Olympic calibre athletes would do under 7 hours...