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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Top 5 NBA Centers
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:50:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.151627.22144@shearson.com> bprisco@shearson.com writes:
>
>I am a fan who has every right to express an opinion. FYI, I am a Knick fan
>and a Ewing fan; I just feel that Patrick is in the habit of making
>bad decisions down the stretch. You have a right to disagree and express so.
>
>Many of my friends who are Knick fans share my feelings about
>Patrick. Any other opinions out there on Ewing? 
>
>-Bobby
>

Bobby,
      I agree with your rights of expression and defend them vehemently.
I, however,  feel that it is unfortuneate that we, as fans, have more of
a tendency to be nostalgic about how great our favorite players were af-
ter they have retired than we are to appreciate how great they are while
they are performing for our teams. Before the coming of Shaqille O'Neal,
Patrick was, in my opinion, clearly the best center in basketball.   Now
that  "Shaq"  is here, history has repetitively come full circle because
Patrick Ewing,  the man whose overall game comes closer to Russel's than
anyone else I've seen since Bill retired,  now has his "Chamberlain"  to
contend with.   I, personally, have chosen not to comment on the sugges-
tion that Patrick is the "5th best player at his position" in the NBA as
I do not believe that this statement is worthy of response.  Peace.
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:04:21 GMT

The local news stations in Salt Lake City are reporting tonight that some 
Portland Trailblazers have been connected with the sexual abuse of some 
local teenage girls in their hotel during their recent stay here. They didnt 
say which team members were involved, only that there is an investigation 
going on.

MORE TO COME!


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library Data Control, University of Utah.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Michael Jordan scoring question
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:35:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <C1F9F5.8ID@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b26@dcl-nxt40.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.071455.11654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
>gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight  
>Toker) writes:
> Then a couple nights later Michael "You 
>> too can score 30 ppg if you put up 50 shots a game" Jordan scored the 69
>> to make sure no one would out do him for the year....
> 
>> Jeff Hawkins
>> gjh2j@virginia.edu
>
>
>Your anti-Jordan statement is unfounded, probably due to your lack of  
>statistical knowledge.  So let me set the record straight:  Jordan has  
>shot 50% consistently over the last 4 or 5 years and only a few select  
>guards (i.e. Paxson, Hornacek, Petrovic) do it consistently.  And although  
>he has dipped under that mark this year, he is still shooting around 49%.   
>So in the future, do not group Jordan with such shot happy guards as  
>Thomas, Dumars and Hardaway, whose ideas of "good shot selection"  is  
>picking which picture to put in their family photo albums.
>


That's the rub with viewpoints and such...  


Remember, to most people it isn't a bad/wild shot unless it is missed.  
Jordan takes a ton of ill-advised, poor shots.  He just happens to be 
good enough to make them.  However, as we have seen this year, he isn't
making as many as he used to....  Does this now make him one of those
"shot happy guards"????


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From: jepperso@einstein.eds.com (Brian Jepperson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Some Warriors jokes
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:05:01 GMT
Organization: EDS/TSD - Troy, MI

In article <1k3t24INN307@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, myro@srfrogs.Corp.Sun.COM (Michael Meyers) writes:

> You need to get some outside interests....this statistics thing is getting a bit out of
> hand, don't you think? Have you considered dating?
> 
> Anyway.....you seem to be looking at the last four trips to the playoffs that the warriors
> made. Did you consider looking any further? I would be interested to see how the 
> warriors have done in all first round playoff series. Why not look at the last 4 days 
> for bay area earthquakes...makes about as much sence.....
> 
> So, please let us all know what the Warriors first round playoff record is, but don't limit 
> us to stats that help your argument.  Who knows maybe the whole picture will still 
> support your argument?????
> 
> Mike

Geez, lighten up.  Someone posts a few statistics and you start
criticizing him personally.  I really don't think those statistics are
misleading anyway.  If you consider that the warriors had an awful
playoff drought (for a warrior fan like me) in the early to mid
eighties.  Going back  a little further wouldn't affect their 
playoff record at all believe me.  Then there was their championship 
teams in the mid 70's, but then again what do those "old" teams have  
to do with their current organization, and more to the point, Don Nelson?
If you have a problem with his statistics why don't you counter them with
some of your own?  Or I guess you would just rather throw around personal
insults than actually say something even partially intellegent.


					Brian Jepperson
					EDS - Troy Michigan
					jepperso@csid.gmeds.com
						or
					wildcat12@aol.com
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:14:49 GMT
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath

koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>  Someone last season posted the inter-division records and
>the Pacific had a signifigant winning percentage against every other
>division. 

Oh, Harry, you remembered.  Here's today's version:


INTER-DIVISIONAL RECORDS:
                     Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
Pacific (107-61)     ----      25-24     30-18     52-19     
Central (92-87)      24-25     ----      49-41     19-21     
Atlantic (78-94)     18-30     41-49     ----      19-15     
Midwest (55-90)      19-52     21-19     15-19     ----      


HOME RECORDS:
                     Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
Pacific (57-23)      ----      13-10     19-6      25-7      
Central (57-35)      14-12     ----      30-17     13-6      
Atlantic (48-38)     12-11     24-19     ----      12-8      
Midwest (34-40)      12-27     15-6      7-7       ----      


ROAD RECORDS:
                     Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
Pacific (50-38)      ----      12-14     11-12     27-12     
Central (35-52)      10-13     ----      19-24     6-15      
Atlantic (30-56)     6-19      17-30     ----      7-7       
Midwest (21-50)      7-25      6-13      8-12      ----      


--Gidi
From: shaq@milton.u.washington.edu (BelchMaster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All-Star Voting update
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:30:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

Scottie Pippen is the top vote-getter in the East Forwards?
I don't get it...

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Manning vs Lewis (was: Proposed Celts trade)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:31:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.210208.6886@tc.fluke.COM> mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel) writes:


>Are you serious? I thought that Lewis was the only reason that the
>Celts weren't submerged in the toilet. Is Manning better than Lewis?
>IMHO I don't think so. Lewis is a clutch player, Manning is good, but
>not a clutch player.

     Well, this is a very tough comparison (unlike Manning vs Laettner
:) ).  Lewis' performances in the playoffs, especially last year, speak
for themselves.  Manning hasn't approached that level.
     On the pro-Manning side, however, I think his regular season 
performance this year is better than Lewis'.  Manning wasn't chopped
liver in the playoffs last year either, 22.6 points on *57%* shooting.
Also, he hasn't, so to speak, had as many chances to shine as Lewis
-- it was only last spring that Manning finally began to play at his
current All-star level.  But, it must be admitted that Manning has
never accomplished what Lewis has in the playoffs.
     So it might depend on what you want to put more weight on:
playoffs or regular season.  Kind of like Isiah Thomas also:  talk
about clutch players.  But Isiah's great moments have to be traded
off against his normally abysmal shooting percentage and turnovers.
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From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: John Williams (LAC)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:08:42 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
Distribution: world, rec, usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pagoda.aero.org

Amazing. If it's true, he should be flogged and reprimanded.

Vlade is only a fair player, we all know his problems being
consistent, etc. But it's hard to imagine him running the floor
AT ALL for any length of time if he smoked like that.


				R.S.
From: lug@cork.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: blatant bad reffing
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:03:24 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.ppc.ubc.ca

In article <C1F441.5CK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.ed
|> oh well, what's past is prologue.  i just felt like whining.  i was bored 
|> with the Blazers - Jazz game.  I'm sure i'll be hearing from some of you
|> very soon.  later!
|
Well said, it is whining. 

> 
|> 
|> -- 
|>    _/    _/   _/_/_/		Jay Pardee
|>   _/    _/     _/		v-ball@uiuc.edu		University of Illinois
|>    _/_/     _/_/_/					 Urbana-Champaign
From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns 121, Pistons 119
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:16:50 GMT
	<1993Jan25.231929.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>
	<1993Jan26.095314.17323@cheshire.oxy.edu>
	<16B62C513.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <16B62C513.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

>Had they won, it would've broken a 5-game losing streak and the Rodman curse
>(they haven't won without Dennis this season). I guess they'll just have
>to do it against Boston this Wednesday! :) It wasn't too bad for me seeing
>them lose to the best team in the league this way, but a win would've been
>something else.

>--Eric

Tonights Celts-Pistons games should be interesting. The Celtics have been
off since last wednesday(i.e. rusty) and the Pistons are in the middle of
a 6 game losing streak. The Celtics have won 9 of their last 11, but not
one win was a 48 minute masterpiece(inconsistent) and the two losses were
essentially no Shows. The Celtics won all 4 games w/ the Pistons last year.


Chris Martel			cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Clearpoint Research		cpm@cpoint.UUCP
Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:11:36 -0500 
From: "Michael D. Goettsche" <mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Barkley - the man
	<C1FA3v.91C@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

:Your dissertation on Charles seems to leave out the fact that he will  
:never be regarded as a legend of the game because of his antics.  I can  
:see the record books now:

:"Larry, Magic, and Michael:LEGENDS OF THE GAME and Charles : A :CLOWN WHO  
:COULD PLAY A LITTLE"

Unfortunately, you might be correct -- it is somewhat paradoxical that
the same media that criticizes him for his behavior and questions his
ability to lead a team also seems to say that he could possibly wind up
the greatest player to play the game without winning a championship.  I
predict if he wins the championship that he will have his name to be
continued to be mentioned in this company--if he doesn't, then he'll
just be remembered as a great talent who let his mouth get the best of
him.
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: UPDATE to atl40orl35.26jan93
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:59:31 GMT


CORRECTION!

Jeff Turner was called for a technical in the 4th period, not in the third as I
originally posted.  My apologies for the error
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
atl 106, orl 120   26jan93

MISSING foster not listed on atl roster
dnp orl: royal,donald(bruised sternum)
         scott,dennis(torn calf)
         catledge,terry(cd)
    atl: augmon,stacey(inj)
illegal defense warning: atl
technical foul: turner,jeff(8:46 4th)

atl (19-21)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
wilkins,dominique 37  10  21   2  5   5  6   3  4   2  1  0  1  0  0  0  0   27
willis,kevin      37  10  19   0  1   3  3   7 15   3  3  1  3  0  0  0  0   23
koncak,jon        18   1   3   0  0   0  0   1  1   0  1  1  0  0  0  0  0    2
blaylock,mookie   12   0   5   0  1   0  0   0  0   4  1  3  1  0  0  0  0    0
graham,paul       28   3   8   2  4   0  0   0  2   4  3  0  2  1  0  0  0    8
keefe,adam        13   1   5   0  0   0  0   1  3   0  1  1  3  1  0  0  0    2
ferrell,duane     21   2  11   0  1   3  4   2  3   2  2  2  0  0  0  0  0    7
rasmussen,blair   14   3   6   0  0   1  2   2  3   1  2  1  0  1  0  0  0    7
henson,steve      32   1   5   1  1   1  1   1  2  13  3  2  2  0  0  0  0    4
mays,travis       27   8  11   3  5   3  7   0  1   2  4  0  2  0  0  0  0   22
foster             1   2   3   0  0   0  0   1  1   0  0  1  0  0  0  0  0    4
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
atl totals       240  41  97   8 18  16 23  18 35  31 21 12 14  3  0  0  0  106
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .423   .444   .696       team rebs 16

orl (18-17)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
bowie,anthony     39   7  12   2  2   4  4   3  7   7  4  2  2  1  0  0  0   20
tolbert,tom       43  10  18   0  0   4  5   7 16   0  3  0  2  0  0  0  0   24
o'neal,shaquille  32  10  18   0  0   6  9   5 12   3  5  1  2  2  0  0  0   26
skiles,scott      40   9  15   3  5   1  1   1  7  11  2  1  7  0  0  0  0   22
anderson,nick     39   7  15   0  2   6  6   1  6   7  2  4  1  0  0  0  0   20
kite,greg         10   0   0   0  0   0  0   1  2   0  2  0  2  0  0  0  0    0
turner,jeff       20   3   6   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  2  0  2  0  1  0  0    6
kerr,steve         9   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
green,litterial    8   1   2   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
orl totals       240  47  87   5  9  21 25  18 51  30 21  8 19  3  1  0  0  120
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .540   .556   .840       team rebs  5

atl   19  27  19  41  -  106
orl   30  22  33  35  -  120

attendance 15151, time 1:59, officials: SJavie,ETRush,GWillard
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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: NO CHARGES AGAINST BLAZERS IN SEX SCANDAL
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:27:10 GMT

dsanders@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (David Sanderson) writes:

>     Plus I'm pretty sick and disgusted by some peoples jokes and rather 
>stupid comments about Utah and Mormons.  Some of you just don't have a clue.
>     Dave

Plus, some of us even had to live there for a short time while
growing up and endure the hell of that state.  sorry, but I speak
from experience.  The *only* redeaming quality of utah is SOME
geography and it's out west here.  thats it.
back to hoops, or nba refs that suck, or charles barkley...

::j

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From: chrisgro@microsoft.com (Christopher Gross)
Subject: Brian Williams???
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:25:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: all


Does anyone have information about Brian Williams' status?



			Chris Gross
			chrisgro@microsoft.com






  
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From: frg@megatek.com (Ferdinand Geniza)
Subject: Re: Opening introductions
Reply-To: frg@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:04:23 GMT

In article <93020.173542U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> <U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>      I don't know if this has already been discussed but has anybody noticed
>that alot of teams are copying the Chicago Bulls opening introduction with the
>"Eye in the Sky" introduction theme. For those who know what I'm talking about
>, can you tell me how many teams have copied this off the bulls? I know
>Philadelphia does and at least one other team. I don't want to sound like an
>asshole so please don't take this the wrong way, but I wish these teams wouldn'
>t have copied it off the Bulls because every time I see them on the road and
>a team plays that theme, it sucks because it was awesome when only the Bulls
>had it. I mean I could be wrong in assuming that the Bulls even began this
>trend so any info would be appreciated.

Phoenix Suns do it... I feel the sames way about it.  Oh well...


- Ferdie

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From: jcoryell@nwu.edu
Subject: Re: If draft were today .... ?
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: MI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:04:44 GMT

The top ones I've seen, barring major injury:

1. Chris Webber, Michigan
2. Anfernee Hardaway, Memphis State
3. Jamal Mashburn, Kentucky
4. Calbert Cheaney, Indiana (actually, these two are too close to call)
5. Bobby Hurley, Duke (the pro-Hurley hype is relentless)
6. Grant Hill, Duke
7. Allan Houston, Tennessee

Beyond that, I've no idea, though I see Montross going when the first
team decides it has center as top priority, Jim Jackson going when a
team finally gets the nerve to draft him, Harper Williams because of
his versatility, Luscious Davis of Long Beach State going ahead of
his former high school teammate Adonis Jordan (whom he just upstaged
in LBS's upset victory), and Acie Earl somewhere soon after.

John Coryell.
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Ben's Trivia
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:29:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.155437.21582@ncar.ucar.edu> grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:
>
>
>byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>>>Who was the first ABA player to jump to the NBA?
>>>What memorable event did he cause in 1968, about 8 years ahead of its time?
>
>>His college was the University of Detroit.
>
>OK, how about Spencer Haywood?  He's the only player from the University
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^
>of Detroit that I can recall who had any noteworthiness in pro basketball.

     Yeah, the U of Detroit clue was the giveaway, I was about to guess
Haywood but everyone else beat me to it.  
     But didn't Dick Vitale bring a bunch of U Detroit players with
him to the Pistons?  Terry Duerod of Celtic 12th man fame, John Long,
maybe one other player?  Or am I getting U Detroit mixed up with 
Central Michigan or something?
     These players weren't as noteworthy as Haywood, but Long had a
fairly long NBA career.
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: blatant bad reffing <long>
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:56:09 GMT

I didn't see the game, only the highlights on ESPN, but I had 
one question about the San Antonio / Chicago game yesterday.  When
Jordan threw the ally-oop to Pippen, he tipped it off the glass and
grabbed the rim and held it while the ball hit the glass and dropped
through.  Why wasn't this offensive interference?  Seems to me that if you
touch the rim while the ball is up there, it should be.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
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From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan)
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:04:02 GMT

bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike) writes:




>	I noticed in todays paper that the Pacific division now holds the
>	top 3 winning percentages in the NBA.  I'm not very familiar with 
>	the history of the NBA but this seems like quite an impressive
>	accomplishment.  Does anyone know when the last time this happened
>	was?

     Playing Dallas and Minnesot 4 or 5 times a year will do that...

>	Mike