HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 12:25:18 CET
From: <SLYNENSK@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: PostScript import problem

I am having a few - annoying - problems in the attempt to import postscript
graphics into FrameMaker. FrameMaker sees the files as text, and comes up
with the alert "Put the insertion point in a text column".

The simplest test I have done, was to print a single page from FrameMaker
only to file, and afterwards trying to import it into an anchored frame.

When trying to importing other postscript files (generated by xfig,
wordperfect, ...) the result was the same. The postscript samples delivered
with the FrameMaker installation though works properly.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

regards,

     Steen Michael Lynenskjold, CRI
     European Space Operations Centre
     Darmstadt, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bobmcc@tiger.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
Subject: Update FAQ List
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:14:45 GMT

I am in the process of getting the comp.text.frame/framers FAQ
registered in the news.answers newsgroup.  To do this, I need to
post the FAQ twice.  So, following this you will see one or
two copies of the FAQ.

This will be Version 2, a slightly corrected version.

=-=-=-=-=-
Bob McCormick, Systems Engineer           | bobmcc@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!bobmcc
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.    | +1-510-649-3881
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704 USA |
From: merritt@provolone.bchem.washington.edu (Ethan A Merritt)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 3.0 for DECstations ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:55:56 GMT
Reply-To: merritt@u.washington.edu
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: University of Washington


In article <1992Apr8.065032.324@dxcern.cern.ch>, matheys@online.cern.ch
(Jean-Pol Matheys) writes:
|> 
|> Dear Net,
|> 
|> Is FrameMaker 3.0 available for DECstations ? What about FrameViewer ?
|> I've put the question to Frame but didn't get a reply (yet).

	We just got it last week.  Haven't installed it yet.

					Ethan A Merritt
					merritt@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
Subject: Re: Importing PostScript file
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:19:51 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: inet
Originator: webb@DUCK.WARP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <9204101640.AA04619@topgun.agps.lanl.gov> sievers@AGPS.LANL.GOV (Cindy Sievers) writes:

   A PostScript file from a Framemaker document was created by "Printing 
   only to file" from the File/Print menu.  Later, the original Framemaker
   document was deleted (without a .backup but that's another story). 
   Is it possible to convert that PostScript file back into a 
   Framemaker Document?

Please don't take this as a snide comment, but when I was little I
took apart an electric motor and unwound the copper wire all over the
place.  After I was done, I asked my father to help me put it back
together, and he told me the story of the little boy who wanted to put
an oak tree back into the acorn that it grew from.

There's no way to do what you want.  The only thing you can do is type
the document back in by hand.  Or you could edit the postscript file
and recover some of the text of the document, then import it into
Frame as a text file and add the formatting by hand.  But it might be
easier to start from scratch, if you can type well.

-- J
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping)
Subject: Re: Inset editors
Keywords: Wingz, spreadsheets, inset
Reply-To: jipping@cs.hope.edu
Organization: Hope College Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:27:32 GMT

jason@xtel.co.uk (Jason Kitchen) writes:
> I've been trying to get Wingz to work as an inset editor for
> FrameMaker 3.0X. I've managed to get Wingz in the inset editor
> dialogue and it starts up Wingz okay.
> 
> However there doesn't seem to be any way of copying spreadsheets
> back to Frame again. has anyone done this or something similar ?
> If so let me know and I'll summarise.

This is not easy.  I did something like this -- it copied the spreadsheet
back to Frame in a EPSI Postscript form.  You can copy my attempt from 
smaug.cs.hope.edu (35.197.146.1) as "/pub/wwf-1.0.Z"

      Mike Jipping
      Hope College Department of Computer Science
      jipping@cs.hope.edu  (BITNET: JIPPING@HOPE)
From: sboran@autelca.ascom.ch (Sean Boran)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: When is maker for Windows available ?
Summary: maker for win
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:03:31 GMT
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland

When can Framemaker for windows be bought ?
I`ve heard promises of May/June.

How powerful a pc is needed?? (maker on sun is a real memory hog ;-))



Sorry if you all already know this, or simply don't like
DOS 8-|.



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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kcr@DENEB.MLB.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Keighley Ross)
Subject: Re: Multiple tagged flows on master pages
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Distribution: inet
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:38:09 GMT

In article <9204061407.aa02722@pequod.cs.vu.nl> keie@cs.vu.nl (EG Keizer) writes:

Ed wanted the first page to look like:

>	Date		Your Date	Fax	Appendices
>	x-x-xx		x-x-xx		xxxx	x
>
>	Our number	Your Number	Phone	E-mail
>	xx		xx		+xx x x	xx@xx

at the top, with a large flow "A" at the bottom, and subsequent
autogenerated pages to have just the large "A" flow.

>A day long search for the reason ended in the conclusion described in the
>first paragraph: whenever a body page contains more then one tagged flow
>FrameMaker simplies copies the column layout from that page when the
>connected column overflows and a new page is created.
 ...

>Did I miss something or is the a bug in FrameMaker?
>I am using Frame 3.0 under X.
>
>Ed Keizer					tel: +31 20 548 5777 >Faculteit Wiskunde & Informatika		fax: +31 20 642 7705
>Vrije Universiteit				e-mail: keie@cs.vu.nl >De Boelelaan 1081A, 1081 HV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Well, let's call it the lack of a feature.  A more complete rule
(which I have never found in the manuals, but was posted several months
ago) for single-sided documents is that when Frame needs to autogenerate
a continuation page, it checks to see whether the Right master page
has all of the named flows that are on the current page.  If so,
Right is used, if not, the master for the current page is used.

The best solution for your case is to put all of the named flows that
are on the Front master page on the Right master as well, but make
them very small and shove them off the page as much as Frame will allow.
(Or maybe they can be hidden under an opaque white "A" flow?)

Some experimentation with the mif version shows that you can only
have one <PageType RightMasterPage> (although you can rename it
anything you want).  For more complicated layouts, what you'd like
to do is have a property on each named flow that tells which master
page should be autogenerated when it overflows.

-------------------------------------- Keighley Ross ----------------
HH _  HH    kcr@mlb.semi.harris.com    Design Systems Development
H_/ |_HH      Opinions expressed       Harris Semiconductor
HH    HH      are solely my own.       Melbourne, Florida,


Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: neal@harlqn.co.UK (Neal Dench)
Subject: COnverting Frame files to RSF format
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:30:37 GMT



Hi Framers..


I have a feeling that this may have already been dealt with in the
past, but if so I missed it, so please excuse me if I'm going over old
ground.

We want to take some pages from our manual set (in Frame) and turn
them into Help screens to go with an application we're working on for
the PC. As I understand it, PC Help requires it's text to come from MS
Word, or, more specifically, to be in RSF format.

Anyone know how to convert from Frame on Sun4 to RSF/Word format on PC?

Or will we have to save as text, read it into Word and reformat it for
the Help screens?

Thanks in advance

Neal
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From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Help with running h/f
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:56:23 GMT



(Sorry if this is a duplicate post...)


Help me out, please, with my running headers.  Here's the situation:

		________________________________________________
EXAMPLE		The following is a sample of the text that I'm 
		working with.

		________________________________________________
		Sec.#    |Title	        	   |Format Name
		________________________________________________
Page 1		1        |Rate Monotonic Analysis  |<1-hdr-first>
		1.1  	 |Sample Problems 	   |<2-hdr>
		1.2  	 |Periodic Events	   |  ""
			 |			   |	
Page 2		2    	 |Intuition for Theory 	   |<1-hdr>
	   		 |<<no second levels>>     |




		________________________________________________
DESIRED FORMAT
Page 1		The desired format of the header area of Page 1:

			RATE MONOTONIC ANALYSIS 
			Sample Problems
			Periodic Events

Page 2		The desired format of the header area of Page 2:
		
			INTUITION FOR THEORY




		________________________________________________
RESULTING FORMAT
Page 1		The resulting format of the header area of Page 1:

			RATE MONOTONIC ANALYSIS
			Sample Problems

		(NOTE: Only the first of the <2-hdr> formats appears 
	   	       on the page; FM omits the remaining ones.)

Page 2		The resulting format of the header area for Page 2:

			INTUITION FOR THEORY
			Periodic Events

		(NOTE:  Although Page 2 does not contain a 
		        "2-hdr" format, it lists one, the 
			inherited one from the previous page, 
			Page 1.)


		________________________________________________
CONFIGURATION   
Running  	The definitions of the running header variables:
headers				
			Running H/F 1	<$paratext[1-hdr-first]>
			Running H/F 2	<$paratext[1-hdr]>
			Running H/F 3	<$paratetxt[2-hdr]>


Header		The structure of the header block on the master page:
block		
			Running H/F1 Running H/F 2
			Running H/F3




		________________________________________________
QUESTIONS	1.  Can FrameMaker list *all* of the instances
		[of a particular format] that appear on that
		particular page (rather than just the first
		occurrence)?

		2.  Can FrameMaker be suppressed such that it doesn't 
		inherit the value of the previous format when it 
		(the previous format) appears on a page other than 
		the current one?
From: decouty@irisa.fr (Bertrand Decouty, AB112, [99 84] 73 46, Atelier)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Printing on a LaserWriter IIg (or IIf)
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:35:02 GMT
Reply-To: decouty@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA-INRIA, Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes Cedex, FRANCE

The new models of Apple LaserWriter, called IIf and IIg, include a
PhotoGray feature to print better (and more) grey levels, smoother than
before. This feature is active by default, when setscreen value is the
default one: 106.

If you try to print grey boxes with Frame 3.0, you will find that this
feature is not used by Frame, EXCEPT if, before printing grey box, you
print a pattern-filled box !

IMHO, there is a bug in postscript_prolog because either the feature
should be ALWAYS active or NEVER, not "it depends of what you have
printed before".

I believe Frame initializes setscreen value (to a not so right value
for IIf/g) and not reset it to this value after pattern printing. By
default, we should be able to take advantage of any printer feature.

Perhaps a way could be for Frame to know the printer model on which you
are printing, like Interleaf do, and so use the corresponding PPD
(Printer Definition) file.

Bertrand Decouty

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dan@rosevax.rosemount.COM (Dan Messinger)
Subject: Re: Frame to WP and MS Word filters summary
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:07:51 GMT

> > The FilterPak 3.0 (which JUST came out) is bi-directional on WordPerfect 5.1.
> > That is, you can both import and export WP 5.1 documents.
> 
> The FilterPak 3.0 filter only handes MAC WordPerfect files, not the DOS version.
> 
> dan@scooter.rosemount.com
> 


Oops.  Wrong filter.  Its the MS Word filter that only works on MAC files.
The Word Perfect filter does work on DOS files.

dan@scooter.rosemount.com


Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: grant@autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Subject: Re:  Sorting Frame Tables
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:48:14 GMT

You can generate a sorted list based on the paragraph types in the table.
That's about as close as I can get you.

Grant Hogarth (grant@autodesk.com)


 --- in response to : ----
*> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:33:37 EDT
*> From: davek@atc.ll.mit.edu (Dave Kassay x4048 g41)
*> To: framers@engrg.uwo.ca
*> Subject: Sorting Frame Tables
*> 
*> Is there any way in Frame to sort lists or columns or rows in a Frame Table?
*>
From: rohit@Sun.COM (Rohit Aggarwal)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: x-reference updates
Keywords: x-reference updates
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:43:53 GMT
Reply-To: rohit@Sun.Com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.corp.sun.com
cc: rohit

When I use x-references and I delete one figure all the following
x-references are now off by one number.  The only way I can fix the
numbering is to go and manualy update all the wrong ones.  Does
anyone have a better way of doing this?

			thanks in advance
				Rohit
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Interleaf
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: dsr@bnr.co.uk ()
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

Talking about Frame and their degenerate humour ... well someone was.

Has anyone tried spellchecking a document with the word Interleaf in
it?
   Dave Riches
   Email:  David.S.Riches@bnr.co.uk
   Smail:  BNR Europe Ltd, London Road,
	   Harlow, Essex. CM17 9NA.  England
   Phone:  +44 (0)279-429531 x2496
   Fax:	   +44 (0)279-454187
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: cjones@wookie.dbaccess.COM (Carl Jones)
Subject: reply to question
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:01:06 GMT

If this looks "something like" your mail address:
        :sol!kendal
and u sent me a q about frame xdefaults
try again; i could not reply to you and
have lost the original mail
carl jones
From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Making Simple boxes out of ASCII figures
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <10191@inews.intel.com> rbrunner@pima.intel.com (Richard Brunner) writes:
<I have a document that has been converted over to Frame. It has lots of ASCII
<box figures made out of "+" and "-" and "|" in courier. I'd like to make
<these look a little nicer without drawing a box for everyone of them.
<
<If I had a character set with box drawing characters, I could simply replace
<the appropriate +, - or | with the corresponding box drawing character. But
<Neither the Symbol char set or the Dingbat one has characters that will work
<for this usage.
<
<I have tried playing with negative leading spaces and em-dash characters,
<but, can't get it to work to my satisfaction (although I can get close).
<
<Has anyone dealt with this problem before? Thanks!

Yes and no.  There aren't any characters that directly correspond to something
that can be used for drawing boxes.

The only cure that I know of is to draw a box for each and every one of them.
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From: eden@4ccvsh.asl.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Screen clipart
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:30:24 GMT
Reply-To: eden@4ccvsh.asl.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

We here at Hughes Space and Communications have just started using the
Framemaker package and everyone seems to like it. We do have a problem
though. When doing a screen grab for inserting into documents the
clipart comes in reverse image. Another words I have a white piece of
and the image comes in black with white graphics. And the question is
is there any way to reverse the image. We looked for an invert command
with no luck. Maybe someone out there could help me on this one.

Thanks in advance,

JerDog the "Turkeymeister"
Hughes Space and Communications
El Segundo, California

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: keie@cs.vu.nl (EG Keizer)
Subject: Multiple tagged flows on master pages
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:07:42 GMT

Summary:
	Creating new pages does not seem to work correctly on body
	pages with more than one tagged flow.

Suppose we have a page with the normal auto-connected `A' flow and
one or more other tagged flows (not connected). When this page
is the last page of a document surprising things happen when the `A' column
fills up and a new page has to be created. That newly created page has the
column layout from the previous page, not the column layout from the
`Right' or `Left' master page as one would expect.
I could not find anything in the manual that describes this behaviour.
The following text describes how we found this problem and what we
did to circumvent it.

I had a frustrating experience while creating a special template
for letters with the University's letterhead. The `standard' form
of letters used by our University has a variety of entries to be used when
needed. The top of the first page of the letter looks a bit like this:

	Date		Your Date	Fax	Appendices
	x-x-xx		x-x-xx		xxxx	x

	Our number	Your Number	Phone	E-mail
	xx		xx		+xx x x	xx@xx

The entries with the x's should be replaced by something relevant or
left empty.

For each entry that could be filled in by the user I created a text
column with auto-connect off on a master page called `First'. Each
of these columns had to have a flow tag, because otherwise the field
on the corresponding body page could not be altered by the user.
The master page named `First' thus had multiple non-connected tagged flows
and one flow with tag `A' connected to a flow with the same name
on the second master page.
The second master page, called `Right' is much simpler and contains only one
flow tagged `A'..

I had tried the trick with the continuation pages in an early stage
of the design. It worked fine then.
After a few days work I thought I was finished, but decided to try and
use the template as if a were a normal unsuspecting user. I had a big
surprise when the first page overflowed and the newly created second page
had the column layout and all other trappings described on the master page
named `First'.
A day long search for the reason ended in the conclusion described in the
first paragraph: whenever a body page contains more then one tagged flow
FrameMaker simplies copies the column layout from that page when the
connected column overflows and a new page is created.

The solution I ended up with was to leave the master page as it is and
remove all tags, except `A', from the columns on the first body page.
This means that whenever I edit the template I have to duplicate the
editing effort for both master and body page to keep them alike.

Did I miss something or is the a bug in FrameMaker?
I am using Frame 3.0 under X.

Ed Keizer					tel: +31 20 548 5777
Faculteit Wiskunde & Informatika		fax: +31 20 642 7705
Vrije Universiteit				e-mail: keie@cs.vu.nl
De Boelelaan 1081A, 1081 HV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Xref: sparky comp.text.frame:1533 comp.text.tex:6194
From: j.c.martin@frec.bull.fr (J.C MARTIN)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.text.tex
Subject: LaTex -> FrameMaker
Keywords: tex, frame
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:18:32 GMT
Reply-To: j.c.martin@frec.bull.fr (J.C MARTIN)
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: BULL UNIX

Hi,
 Does anybody know a way to convert Latex files into FrameMaker
 documents ?

 Thanks.

---

 Jean Christophe MARTIN
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Combining FrameMaker Files
Summary: Can it be done?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:46:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: pictel.1992Apr7.194627.20968
Organization: PictureTel Corporation


Does FrameMaker provide a facility by which two FrameMaker documents
may be combined (e.g., append one to another) without manually copying
the page layouts, flows, and/or pages individually?

What I am looking for is an "Import..."-like capability that will
accept a file in Maker format.  I am using Frame 3.0X on a
SPARCstation IPC.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: beth%softy.softwords.bc.ca@tusun2.UUCP (Beth Agnew)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: ergonomics
Date: 3 Apr 92 01:23:30 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


 
Hi Caitlin and all:
 
I've come up with two "crazy" solutions to wrist problems. I'm
a leftie, but do all mouse functions with my right hand. I
also have to switch my time between Suns and Sparcs, and
IBM/MAC platforms.
 
1. When operating the Sun machines, I found that the metallic
mouse pad is often very cold. This aggravated my aching wrist
problem, so I got a woolen glove with a long cuff (3/4 length)
and cut the fingers off. I wear this on my right hand and it
keeps the wrist warm where it rests on the mouse pad. An
alternative would be a foam wrist pad, but I've found that
hampers my mouse movements -- the glove suits me better.
As a contractor, I use the Sun equipment at client's sites
so I have little input into how they organize the workstation.
What I have insisted on is a good chair that raises up so 
my hands hit the keyboard at about a 110 degree angle from my
shoulder.

This has helped arm and shoulder fatigue. Another way to do
that would be to use the keyboard on my lap, but I haven't
found that suitable.
 
2. In my home office, I have a drafting chair (the height of
a barstool) that swivels. The computers are on high tables
so that I can work standing up, but when I sit on my chair,
the keyboard is at the height that gives me that 110 
degree elbow angle. I have also had built a perpendicular
mouse rest (it looks like a skateboard ramp) so that I
can use the mouse as if it were tracking on the side of the
computer instead of the desk surface. This really helps
the wrist because the natural position of our lower arm
is with the thumb on top and the little finger on the bottom.
Sure, it's weird, but it works, though it takes some
getting used to. 

I also have a pair of glasses that I use only for working
at the computer. (I don't wear glasses usually.) They offer 
a slight magnification, and it could just be my imagination
but I think they reduce eye strain. On site work, I also
drag along a woolen shawl that goes over my neck and shoulders
when I find the client's air conditioning blowing on the
back of my neck.
 
With the glasses, shawl and fingerless glove, I sometimes look
like a female Bob Cratchit at work!
 
Cheers,

Beth
 
******************************
Beth Agnew    beth@softwords.bc.ca
         or   bagnew@cheops.uvic.ca
******************************
Newsgroups: comp.text