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From: gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn)
Subject: Re: A4000 Sound
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:15:37 GMT


In article <37979@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the  
Fat Wok   ) writes:
> 	I was at the show today (11th) and Jim Dionne said the audio
> upgrade was still being worked on. 

Yes, I was kind of speculating that perhaps making 16 bit audio downward  
compatible with current Amiga sound might be a bit hard, so they didn't  
release the new chips.  It was pointed out to me that full use is not  
being made of the 4X bandwidth, so it's obvious that a new audio set will  
come out.

Brian
From: antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Good Amiga store in Japan Found!
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:32:23 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University


Hello!  Well, some time ago someone gave a list of amiga places in Japan.
However, in calling them I found they no longer deal with walk-ins.  Reading
through Login magazine and trying a few other sources lead to:

"System Compbac, Inc", the neatest amiga store I've seen since the Memory
Location in Massachusettes.  It is a small place, run by one fellow
(H. Ogino), their phone number is 03-3837-8689, they are open weekends
but closed, I think, Thursdays, he opens at noon (I think).  It is near
the Okachimachi station, which is one stop before Akihabara.

The shop is really nice, software and hardware on the wall, other stuff in
back, an Amiga set up to demo, cabinets full of PD stuff, a case full of
ROMs and kickstarts and memory chips, and lots of signs describing systems
availible (he had the 4000 listed, with specs!)

The owner is very good, for several reasons:

1) He speaks good english, which is useful since my Japanese is still poor
2) He is knowledgable about Amigas and tech in general
3) He is helpful and kind

I was looking for a new monitor, he ended up recommending a specific
inexpensive Multisync.  He sold cables for 10000 yen for them, but also
sold just the 23-pin connector and suggested it was easier/cheaper to
make my own if I knew anything about electronics... he also loaned me
an ohmmeter and one of his cables so I could trace the pinouts since he
didn't have a map of the pinouts handy... all this while an amiga user's
group was meeting in his store.  The monitor itself he told me to get in
nearby Akihabara, and recommended a few places to try and a good price
to aim for (Akihabara is bargain town for electronics).  In short, very
impressive... anyone that will sell you a $5 part rather than suggest you
either buy an official expensive monitor (very expensive, in Japan) or
else buy their expensive cable is a good salesperson-- because now I'll
go back there when I need things.

Oh, he also carries most of the Amiga magazines, for about 1/3 what they
charge at, say, Kinokunia, and sells the back issues of the disk magazines
for 1/2 of that rate.

So, if you need Amiga stuff while in Japan but fear duty and shipping
costs, this is well worth looking into.

cheers,

sandy
ques sera c'est la vie
alex@astro.isas.ac.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: *NEED* a real-time animation player, i.e. from HD
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:53:04 GMT


Hi,

	Try RTap. I have used this to display Planetside demo on my 2Mb
A500+ okay. *HOWEVER*, you WILL need to fanny about with params such as
frame rate, buffer size, decrunch priority to get the *optimum*, i.e. no
jerkiness. However, remember this is from a slow-HD, 68000, CHIPRAM only
owner! :-) My '030 owning friend had no problems.... but RTap was good
enough to get a nice optimum speed/performance with *no* jerks. It needs
.ANIM format too I believe.

	Also, there is another called BigAnim. 

	Sorry for such little info, but I got RTap from an internal PD 
network at work so I don't know where it/they are available "outside".
Obviously though, try Fred Fish!

								- JIM CAD*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:07:35 GMT


> >
> >
> >>Well, here is some *true* info, no rumors....
> >
> >>The AA Chipset IS a reality, highest resolution is 640x512x256 (Pal) and
> >>640x480x256 (NTSC). These new chips willl *ONLY* go into the NEW Amigas and
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Huh?  So C= has decided to drop the SuperHire modes?
> >I do not think so.

As hinted, the highest AA res is 1280*512 (8 bpls), being SuperHires 
interlaced. Needs X4 bandwidth though (top models only?)...

								- JIM CAD*
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:13545 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:23338
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:19:38 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1992Sep3.070214.21249@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   My conclusion is that Mr. Barney has attempted one last flaming editorial
>before bailing out of the Amiga community, and has done a blundering job of
>it.  The response editorial by Mr. Barney was filled with more lies, 
>innuendos, and double-speak than the original article, by far.

Look who's calling the kettle black.  In the three years I've been reading
comp.sys.amiga newsgroups, there's been nobody who has posted anywhere near
the amount of falsehoods, speculation presented as fact, and general doom
and gloom with respect to Commodore and the Amiga than you, Marc.  I've
never seen an apology from you when someone from Commodore has bothered to
correct your postings.  You usually just wait 2-3 months and repeat it as
another of your "facts".

Even your claim of less than 1000 dealers is probably in error.  Not all
places that sell Amigas are computer dealers, some are mass market retailers,
like Montgomery Wards, some are video equipment companies, etc.  I'd bet I
could find 20 places in Minnesota that sell Amiga hardware, and a lot more
that sell Amiga software.  

Why don't you sell your Amiga, buy one of those wonderful IBM PC clones,
and post to the PC groups.  We already know that the Amiga is a niche
market, doesn't have all of the latest gee whiz technology, and is never
going to replace the PC or the Mac.  We like it for what it has, and when
we need a new computer, maybe we'll jump ship if the competition has what
we want.  We don't need you to continue to sound the death toll, three
to four years is long enough.
--
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Youth is wasted on the young.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: rsc@flower.hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell)
Subject: Re: Jay Miner
Reply-To: rsc@flower.hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell)
Organization: High Altitude Observatory/NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:43:40 GMT

Also, Defender of the Crown on CDTV SPEAKS with a digital recording instead
of telling you things through requesters - but that's not all: depending on
your preference setting in WB, it will SPEAK to you in most of the European 
languages.
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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Can someone scan some baseball cards for me?
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:04:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep5.090443.1613
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > Legally?  No.

Not necessarily.  Even us poor computer users are allowed to make
"backups".  These are NOT to be sold, traded, or given away but we CAN make
them for our own use.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Startup problem fixed - thanks!
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 14:28:03 EDT


Thanks for all your replies concerning my startup-sequence problem. I
re-examined the scripts carefully and found the line that was causing
the problem. Using 'runback' rather than 'run' fixed things up.

				Steve Heller
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From: luyten@fwi.uva.nl (Hans Luyten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AA, A4000 ?!
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:24:23 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Keywords: Amiga 4000 and new Advanced Amiga Chipset
Summary: dito

Hi Folks,

	Can anybody inform me about the Amiga 4000 & AA-Chipset
	specs. ?
	I had the stupid idea that an Atari TT030 would be a
	great machine, but I still miss my Amiga,... so I
	want to sell my TT (with 8Mb, VGA, HDD 48Mb, HD-Drive, etc.)
	so v:v:I can buy an Amiga again,... I'm thinkin' of an A300
	(oops that should be A3000) but what's all the noise about an
	A4000 ?? And an upgrade to the AA-Chipset`x{???
	WB 3.0 ???

	Can ANYONE inform me about this stuff (CBM ??)


	Thanx,...
				Hasn
				(SHIT,... I hate VI, that ought to be 
				HANS)
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WHAT is THIS?! (bizarre error)
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:16:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <9209131139.AA23562@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> z3kpw@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
>Argh.  The weirdest thing happened yesterday.  I was trying to connect an audio cable behind my Amiga setup and in the process I wiggled the monitor cable amongst the nest of cables.
>The screen become "garbled" and the 'puter locked up, so I had to reboot.
>Lo and behold, BOTH of the disks in my floppy drives had been corrupted!
>So if anyone can please tell me a) what the hell happened
>
>I've had heaps of experience with Apple IIs, IBM PCs and Macintoshes for 10 years and nothing like this has ever happened.  Guess it is true, "Only Amiga makes it possible."  Argh.
>

What happened is that you decided to hook a device up to a computer while it
was powered up.  Not a very smart thing to do, and you probably deserve what
happened.  

"Only Amiga makes it possible" --- Any machine makes it possible if you pull
a no brainer like that.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hibrown@thor.albany.edu (Herb Brown)
Subject: Re: Mathematica/Derive
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 13:00:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.050756.29240@udel.edu> weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu writes:
>Just wondering... Does anyone know if there's a public domain/freeware/
>shareware program for the Amiga that is similar to Derive or Mathematica?
>I'd like the ability to plug in some calculus formulas into it and have
>it simplify the expressions I give it and possibly solve them. 
>
>Thanks, 
> - Steve
>  (weigand@ee.udel.edu)
>
>

There is one called Schoonschip on a recent FF disk.

Herb


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:16:36 GMT

mrubino@engws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino) writes:

>technology will be obsolete reletively soon.  So who would want to plunk down
>$3700 for a 4000 with all of this new technology looming on the horizon?  Not
>that I planned on buying a 4000.  I was not that impressed and looking at the

	I got the definite impression (but impressions can be dead
wrong) that the 4000 is modular so you can upgrade later on
to newer chipsets.  Perhaps some of the Commodore people
would be nice enough to make a comment here.

	BTW, if it wasn't clear from my article, Commodore intends
to put everyone on what they call the AGA bandwagon.  This
probably means new AGA machines will be showing up in the
future.

--Andre

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hurlum@hulk.cs.hut.fi (Harri Juhani Holopainen)
Subject: Re: MB = More Bitching (was Re: Problems with the A4000)
Reply-To: hurlum@niksula.hut.fi (Harri Juhani Holopainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:43:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.160434.3343@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.083819.17967@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) bitches:
>>
>>problems this has.  Basically, the A3000 was not designed for the AA chipset.
>>The Ramsey and Buster chips in the A3000 were designed for use with the ECS,
>>in particular the 2M Agnus chip.  The new Alice chip in the AA chipset -- the
>>replacement for Agnus -- can potentially address 4M of chip RAM.  But since
>>the Alice chip has been kludged to work with other chips intended for the
>>2M Agnus chip, none of the new Amigas can use more than 2M of chip RAM.  The
>
>2M Chip RAM is more than the 1M VRAM on the SVGA boards and equal to the
>amount of VRAM on some Mac Quadras.  Do you really expect to use more than
>2M for most applications?  Hell, I've never run out of memory on my A3000
>with 2M Chip RAM, even when trying to.

You soon will if u use a decent-sized wb (800*600 and up) with a nice 16-color
(or maybe 256 color) Calvin & Hobbes backdrop picture and a public screen for a
bunch of niftyterms.
Even with the older chipsets & 2.0 the 1M chip limit is a constant pain
at least for me.
This 2M limit sounds much, much worse than whether there sould be an IDE or
a SCSI hd to me. Wonder how much chip will a normal-sized 256k picture eat?

>No, you've established that even you can be more of an asshole than ever.

:-)

>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>
>Go to hell Marc.
>
>Skip Sauls

:-) :-)

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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Startup-sequence strangeness, please help.
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:40:47 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <music.715748316@batman>, music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller) writes:
> I've been having a strange problem for some time that I can't figure
> out. I'm using WB2.04 on a 2000. The problem is that after booting the
> initial AmigaDOS window that SHOULD close remains on the screen even
> though the last 2 lines of my s:startup-sequence are
> LoadWB
> Endcli >NIL:

Just out of curiosity, it doesn't say ;Endcli >NIL: does it?  If so, remove the
";" and it should be ok.  If this is not the case, do you still have some task
still active that is associated to that AmigaDos window?  I had this problem
with 1.3.  I found out that one of my tasks was still hanging around, therefore
my window would not close.  My 2.0's StartUp-Sequence is different, so I'm not
sure if the same rules apply.  Actually, I keep the AmigaDos environment active
under 2.0, so I always have the window in the background.  The first thing I
did to my 2.0's SU-Sequence was to delete the "Endcli >NIL:" line.
 
> Everything else works fine but I don't care to have this orphan window
> hanging around all the time. I'd be happy to send my startup-sequence
> and user-startup to anyone who may be able to find the problem. If you
> have any advice please send me email:
                                 ^^^^^
I tried E-mail, but it didn't work!
 
> Thanks,
> Steve Heller

No problem,
Joe
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From: kensaga@diku.dk (Kenneth Fribert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:36:12 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

rmwhapham@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>The other day I FTP'ed SiliconMenus from amiga.physik and instantly fell in 
>love with the pop-up-menu feature.  The problem is, I also rely HEAVILY on 

Yes it is really nice isn't it

>ToolsDaemon 2.0b and these two utils do NOT coexist peacefully.  I can't 
>exactly explain what's going wrong, but here's what happens:  After 
>starting an application and using the pop-up-menus a bit, my resident Avail 
>command becomes corrupted (I run a cron program that cleans my VD0: every 
>minute and flushes my memory every 5 mins.) and hits me with a recoverable 
>error.  I've tried the program PopUpMenu and even the older, more OS 
>"legal" version of ToolsDaemon, and the same thing happens.  But, without 
>ToolsDaemon running, SiliconMenus works perfectly.  Is anyone else having 
>problems experiencing problems with SiliconMenus and a similar Tools menu 
>utility?  Is there something I can do to fix this (aside from giving up 
>ToolsDaemon)?  As always, thanks in advance...

I just installed it last night, and used it with Toolmanager 1.5 without any
problems yet, I tried with ProPage, Foozle (Fido-tosser/editor), and some more
and it worked ok, no alert yet for me.

Best regards
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy)
Subject: Re: What is (infamous) RTG?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:52:44 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep15.172440.10032@daimi.aau.dk>, pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes:
|> Often, RTG graphics are expressed wanted in the Amiga
|> Operating System; what is it? Real Time Graphics?
|> Real True Golour? (Honestly, I'm clueless about what
|> RTG supposedly stands for) 

Re-Targetable Graphics.- The abilty to display you program on any monitor that
is connected to your computer. The Macintosh has this. Just plug in a graphics
board and boot the machine. Finder is running on that board. That is what is 
wanted for the Amiga. 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:15:30 GMT

In article <bruce.0am5@zuhause.MN.ORG> bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht) writes:
>bruce@zuhause.mn.org
>	Youth is wasted on the young.

Nah that should read:
	Life is wasted on -MB-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 12:43:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.173230.8228@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>What about 1024x480 x 4bpls or 1024x768 x 2 bpls?.. Wouldn't something
>like that be possbile (I'm talking noninterlaced here), just like the
>ECS can change scan rates?

There's more to it than just bandwidth.  The chips have to be able
to run fast enough internally to generate the pixels.  If it were possible
for this chipset release, C= would have done it.

>eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.

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From: aces@mcode.amdahl.com (Jeffrey D. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 68010
Keywords: 68010
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: jds30@amail.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale Ca.

In article <4444@equinox.unr.edu>, dollens@equinox.unr.edu (C Blake Dollens) writes:
> Someone on a local BBS suggested to me recently that a 68010 processor supports
> virtual memory.  My immediate response was no, because you need a PMMU for that
> purpose.  On the other hand, I realize that I know very little about the '010.
> Am I right?  What is the difference between the 68000 and the 68010?  I was 
> under the impression that the '010 had slightly more efficient instruction code
> in some areas, and that's all.  Benchmarks wouldn't increase with an '010
> significantly, would they?  I think this was covered in this newsgroup a while
> back; I apologize if everybody's already heard this.  Thanks in advance.
CAVEAT: I'm speaking from poor memory.

The 68010 supports virtual memory almost the same as the 68020
supports virtual memory. That is by a new stack format.  You'll
still need the MMU (68851?) as a co-processor or peripheral
device to remap addresses, and thus cause the needed exception
for a missing page.  That's all I can remember, and it may not be
completely accurate.

The performance improvement of the 68010 over the 68000 is slight,
but some folks seem to perceive it in their daily applications.
(Assuming their clock rates are the same, just different CPUs.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: chandler@uni-paderborn.de (Martin Grote)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC, MMU
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:57:39 GMT

andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
> 3.1 has API network extensions.  I asked Allen Havemose about this,
> and he seemed to imply that the 2.0 TCP/IP software is not going to be
> released but instead integrated into the OS.  3.1 also will have file
> and printer sharing, and DSP support.

Does this mean OS 3.1 will have the long-spoken MMU support, i.e. will
every task have memory access physically restricted to properly
allocated memory, and will it be possible to remove tasks with all
allocated resources properly in OS 3.1?
Will the new lowend Amigas containing the AGA chipset have an MMU or 
68030 on-board?
If not, will it be possible to run OS 3.1 on those machines?

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