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From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: EURO DISNEY: Cultural Imperialism?
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:29:39 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research


I find it hard to believe that Disney could be considered cultural
_anything_.

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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:47:32 GMT
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.082142.7808@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>>   ...
>>   Don't go blaming the Jews for American ignorance.

>Absolutely.  We have only ourselves to blame.  If we wanted better
>newspapers, we would get them.  Even a Jewish-dominated newspaper (if
>subject, though.)

>Israel did _not_ acquire its land in the same way that that America
>acquired its land.  About 5% of the Israeli partition of the
>Palestinian Mandate had been legally bought by Zionists.  The other
>95% was ceded to the nascent Israel by the UN and the UK, partly
>because it had always been promised to the Zionists, partly because
>the UN wanted to find its own solution to the Jewish Question, and
>partly because the Zionist terrorists were killing and murdering
>Arabs, Brits, and a UN mediator.  The rest of Israel (about half) has
>been acquired by conquest (in wars mostly started by the Arabs).  This
>is not at all similar to the US, where the initial revolution was
>fought as a war, not as a terrorist campaign, and where most of the
>land acquired since 1798 was purchased peacefully (Louisiana Purchase,
>Alaska, Gadsden Purchase) or joined voluntarily (Texas albeit after a
>Texan rebellion against Mexico, Hawaii).

Whoa!  You can't be serious with this exculpation of the US territorial
acquisitions.  You haven't mentioned the indigenous people -- you
remember -- the Indians?  There isn't a single inch of American
territory that wasn't stolen -- by force or deceit -- from the previous
inhabitants.  Not to mention your distortions of the Revolutionary War,
which certainly had "terroristic" elements.  You also managed to miss
mention our "peaceful" acquisition of California, New Mexico, Arizon and
Florida.  You might also take a look at US imperialism -- take a good
look at the article in the most recent Atlantic written by Mark Twain
around the turn of the century in reference to US behavior in the
Philippines.  READ SOME HISTORY!  US behavior is no better -- in some
cases maybe worse -- than the Israeli, and not just two hundred years
ago: read something about the US gov. and the American Indian Movement
or the Black Panthers.  Read about the civil rights movement.

Sheesh.

--Jeff Frane

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) 
"Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
                                    --Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr12012428@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr12.071510.2846@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:15:18

In article <1992Apr12.071510.2846@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr12012428@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # You should read your history books about King David Hotel,
>
>	   Which was not a terrorist act.

I guess your definition of terrorist act is different from most
people's.  The bombing of the King David Hotel is considered one of
the top terrorist actions of the era.

>   # the assassinations of Lord Moyne, Count Bernadotte,
>	   I doubt that these acts played a significant role.

Your doubt noted.  Have you done any reading on these events?  You
really should.

>   # and many
>   # significant Zionist terrorist actions in the 1929-1948 period.  Hardly
>  # minor exceptions.
>
>	   What is a minor exception are those actions taken by ZIonists
>   during that period that were terrorist actions.

Again, the definition of terrorism comes into play.  A book you should
read is "Terror out of Zion", by J. Bowyer Bell, an expert on the
subject of international terrorism.  You should be able to find it in
your local library.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: bdsuba@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Grey Rider)
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Followup-To: misc.headlines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Turner Ranch. Blood Butte, Texas
Date: 10 Apr 1992 16:56 EST  

In article <17975@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown) writes...
> 
>Last evening on Television I watched a news program that was investigating
>how crowd size was determined for events such as these.  The old method
>that was used was refered to as "WAG"  (Wild Ass Guess)  I'm not kidding
>that is what the reported said.  And I belive he has talking to the
>DC police or Park Police.  However, now they have a grid of the DC area.
>They take areial photos of marches and then place the grid overtop of
>the photos and estimate that way.  I can't which station it was.  Did
>anyone else see this?

It was the ABC Evening news.  The National Park Service uses this grid 
method, and they provide the "official" crowd estimates for DC marches. 
Their official estimate was 250,000. Take it or leave it.



>Jennifer Brown
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 16:59:37 GMT

In article <gate.JF5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>
>[The following was written approx. 1985.  While reading it, please keep
>in mind that minority racism and majority racism are equally wrong.]
>
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>        Pay attention to that this time, Mr. Shein and company!
>
>
>                          WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?

Where do you get all this information from? Your article is too long to read.
Make it shorter.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland)
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: dc 
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:25:45 GMT

In article <17975@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown) writes:
>
>Last evening on Television I watched a news program that was investigating
>how crowd size was determined for events such as these.  The old method
>that was used was refered to as "WAG"  (Wild Ass Guess)  I'm not kidding
>that is what the reported said.  And I belive he has talking to the
>DC police or Park Police.  However, now they have a grid of the DC area.
>They take areial photos of marches and then place the grid overtop of
>the photos and estimate that way.  I can't which station it was.  Did
>anyone else see this?
>
I think the program was DATELINE (NBC, Tuesdays at 10 pm).
From: mikea@psdslc3.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Brown crushes Clinton; Bush camp in disarray
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:59:17 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <167C0A776.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:

[A whole pile of weirdness deleted.]

>The difference is I think Bush is essentially a moral person.  Brown is
>not.

I would vote for one of my own turds before I would vote for George Bush.
Bush is a moral person??????? Here are some questions for you:

1) Ollie North's diary says that he met with Bush on the Iran/Contra plan
   well before Bush says he found out what Ollie was doing; who do you believe?

2) Bush's father ran Nixon's campaign for president in 1960, and the Bushes and
   Nixons have had close personal ties since the 1940's; what does this say
   to Bush's ability to judge character?

3) Can you explain to me the morality of the War On Drugs?

4) Can you explain to me the morality of killing 200,000 people in Kuwait 
   and Iraq?
									MPA

 
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: King David Hotel bombing
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:39:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.175801.18171@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
>In article <JIME.92Apr14103413@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
># In article <1992Apr14.050948.24611@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>
># >   In article <JIME.92Apr13011518@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
># >   # I guess your definition of terrorist act is different from most
># >   # people's.  The bombing of the King David Hotel is considered one of
># >   # the top terrorist actions of the era.
>
># >	   Very few people, even among those who mistakenly called the Irgun
># >   and Stern gangs terrorists, label that bombing as terrorist.  You
># >   obviously do not know even the most elementary details of that
># >   incident.
>
># Au contraire, Pierre.  The King David Hotel bombing was clearly a
># terrorist action.  A military action wouldn't have been preceded by a
># telephone call telling the people to get out.  (In this case, some may
># find it curious that a military action would have been more brutal,
># but c'est la guerre.)
>
>	You are being an imbecile here.  Let us assume for the sake of
>argument that the King David hotel bombing was not a military action.
>That still does not make it a terrorist action.
>--
>
>David Makowsky
>makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
 
The same old quandary.... If you disagree with the person's ends, he
is a "terrorist".  If you agree, he is a "freedom fighter".  This
applies equally to the Irgun as the PLO.
 
Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:02:04 GMT

In article <gate.komZiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd") writes:

>      _Computer Bits_ magazine (of Portland, Oregon) PURPOSEFULLY
> CENSORED Banished CPU from their BBS list (as they finally admitted on
> 04/09/92) and refuses to include us in any future BBS listings!  Why?


I would think that "getting flushed" is just what we would expect to
happen to your kind of material.

The nazi clowns at b-cpu must know full well that "freedom of speech"
does not mean "freedom to use a private medium of communication against
the wishes of its owner".  You can run your own bboard, but you have
no right to free advertising.  Nor do you have a right to be taken
seriously.

Now, be a good boy and go shine your jackboots.  After that, please
contemplate the hypocrisy of complaining about incompleteness in a
magazine article, when one is oneself such an intellectual anus.

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu


	
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <JIME.92Apr13011518@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# In article <1992Apr12.071510.2846@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   In article <JIME.92Apr12012428@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# >   # You should read your history books about King David Hotel,

# >	   Which was not a terrorist act.
 
# I guess your definition of terrorist act is different from most
# people's.  The bombing of the King David Hotel is considered one of
# the top terrorist actions of the era.
 
	Very few people, even among those who mistakenly called the Irgun
and Stern gangs terrorists, label that bombing as terrorist.  You
obviously do not know even the most elementary details of that
incident.

# >   # the assassinations of Lord Moyne, Count Bernadotte,

# >	   I doubt that these acts played a significant role.

# Your doubt noted.  Have you done any reading on these events?  You
# really should.
 
	I have.

# >   # and many
# >   # significant Zionist terrorist actions in the 1929-1948 period.  Hardly
# >  # minor exceptions.

# >	   What is a minor exception are those actions taken by ZIonists
# >   during that period that were terrorist actions.
 
# Again, the definition of terrorism comes into play.  A book you should
# read is "Terror out of Zion", by J. Bowyer Bell, an expert on the
# subject of international terrorism.  You should be able to find it in
# your local library.

	It is not a problem when dealing with reasonable people.  At any
rate, I am not denying that there was Jewish terrorism.  It is just
that the extent, and its value, have been grossly exagerated by those
like yourself.
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <1992Apr07.165937.364@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>In article <gate.JF5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>>
>>[The following was written approx. 1985.  While reading it, please keep
>>in mind that minority racism and majority racism are equally wrong.]
>>
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>        Pay attention to that this time, Mr. Shein and company!
>>
>>
>>                          WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?
>
>Where do you get all this information from? Your article is too long to read.
>Make it shorter.

Nabil,
If you'd have read the article, you would have seen that it comes from
the NAAWP, the National Association for the Advancment of White People,
a white-supremicist group closely related to the KKK.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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From: friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Deportations of Palestinians from the occupied territories
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:00:05 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


In article <JIME.92Apr15121133@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu
(Jim Eggert x6127 g41) responds to gross@befvax.uchicago.edu's message of Wed, 15 Apr 1992

>>   I would just like to say, for the record, that I personally am opposed to
>>   any such 'transfer' of Palestinians from the territories.  Mr. Makowsky
>>   represents a small minority of Israelis, and an even smaller minority
>>   of Jewish supporters of Israel.  
>>
>>   Most Jewish supporters of Israel, and most Israelis are opposed to any
>>   such 'transfer', and Mr. Makosky does not speak for them.  The vast majority
>>   believe that Palestinians have a right to live there.  
>>
>>   The question of deporting INDIVIDUAL Palestinians, as a punishment for violent
>>   actions against Israel, is another question entirely.
>
>But even the deportation of individual Palestinians is against the Geneva
>Convention.  The world community does not in general support this
>action by Israel, and considers it contrary to international law.
>--
>=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)



As reported by ABC News, Kuwait has deported/refused re-entry of 350,000 Palestinians (as
of last month).  

WHAT WAS THEIR CRIME????

The PLO sided with Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War, therefore they are guilty.  
The other 150,000 who weren't deported have been retained because of the slave labor
which Palestinians are paid for their work in re-building Kuwait.  Once that is done,
out they go!  

Many of these Palestinans are 2nd generation Kuwaiti "visitors."  (Visitors because 
they are not granted citizenship).  

This too is contrary to international law.

When Israel wants to deport 12 murderers, James Baker has a tantrum.  But Kuwait (Bush's
"Oil Buddies") deports 350,000 no one even blinks.    

(If Israel had a death penalty for 1st degree murder, and every convicted Palestinian/Israeli
murder got "the chair," they would beg for deportation!)

Maybe it is time to put the Middle East in perspective, and not spend all of our time 
censuring Israel.


Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Michigan State University
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines

Harel -

Don't you read ANY of this stuff before you put it out on the net?

The prisoners, after four days of eating only sandwiches and biscuits,
developed SCURVY?!?!?! Come on! Scurvy takes months of vitamin
deprivation to develop. We've got folks in Appalachia and in ghettos
across the U.S. whose diets are more restricted than that over lifetimes
who don't develop scurvy.

Unfortunately, such wild misinformation immediately casts suspicion on
the data in the rest of the report as well.

That's not surprising, though. Most social activists have never let
truth stand in the way of a good story.

- Gary Hypes -
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: jime@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: What is terrorism?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<JIME.92Apr15124737@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr16.232347.13363@das.harvard.edu>
	<1992Apr17.064249.9382@Princeton.EDU>
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:28:28

In article <1992Apr17.064249.9382@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>   I'm not really sure what purpose a debate over whether a particular
>   event was terrorist serves; it's obvious that everybody feels their own
>   attacks *are* justified and that the other side's aren't.
>
>   Thus, to "Makowsky?", the King David is justified and therefore not
>   terrorist; to the British it WAS.  To George Bush, bombing dams in Iraq is 
>   justified and therefore not terrorist; to Iraqis it WAS.  To the IRA,
>   planting a bomb in London is good; to the British, shooting suspected IRA 
>   members in Gibraltar is good.  To the Palestinians, rock throwing is
>   justified; to Israelis, using force to stop them is.  To the Lebanese,
>   attacking Israeli soldiers in Lebanon is good; to Israel, bombing camps in 
>   Lebanon is justified.
>
>   Anyway, you all get the point.  I'm probably overstating my case, and
>   someone is going to be upset that I'm equating some of these actions.
>   But I'm not.  I'm pointing out that in the people's minds, they are
>   equal; either side feels it is justified in attempting to achieve its goals.
>
>   If we accept the goals, we ought to work towards them, whatever the
>   tactics of some of the parties, but we shouldn't accept the tactics.
>   Shouting terrorism is rarely a constructive approach, however.

Your argument assumes that terrorism is inherently unjustifiable.
That assumption is of course false.  I am quite sure that there are
people who consider themselves terrorists, and yet find their
activities justified.  You need to have a definition of terrorism that
doesn't contain the words "just" or "right".

I'm not sure that I can provide a perfect working definition of
terrorism, but here is my $0.02 worth.  Terrorism is essentially
politically leveraged violence.  It is violence that is wrought not
simply to destroy and render physically incapable of response, but
rather to shatter the political will of the enemy and thus render them
unwilling to respond.

Usually terrorism is restricted to parties not actively in a state of
war.  I am not sure that I would make that restriction.  It would
exclude the buzz bomb attacks on London from being considered
terrorist actions.

Usually terrorism is restricted to non-state organizations.  The
counterexamples are then termed state terrorism.

There, I think I have given a usable definition of terrorism that
avoids the concepts of right and wrong.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
From: rah@rampart.enet.dec.com (Robert Holt)
Subject: Re: Arafat's Plane Missing in Libyan Desert
Reply-To: rah@rampart.enet.dec.com (Robert Holt)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 01:50:32 GMT

No, I'm sure an accident is as possible in that part of the world
as any other..

Real convenient, though... 
/*-------------------------------------------------------+
 | Robert Holt - Digital Equipment Corp - Palo Alto, CA. 
 |                                                      
 | "We're not shooting enough professors."             
 |          -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov                  
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From: ian@Agranat.COM (Ian Douglas Agranat)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.abortion,dc.general
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:11:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: asi1.ian.703084267
Organization: Agranat Systems, Inc.

Charles,

>That's odd; I walked through and around crowds there for almost
>two hours and I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that signatures
>were being collected. If someone would put me in touch with NOW
>officials in Washington, I'd be glad to go into their offices and
>examine these alleged signatures.

You could try 

Patricia Ireland, President
National Organization for Women
1000 16th Street N. S.
Washington, D.C. 20036

And, as M. Price points out...

>     You're kidding! I saw at least 30 signature collectors in the
>crowd, and at least ten of those directly asked me if I had signed in,
>not to mention the tables outside the metro stations and the NOW reps
>who boarded each individual bus and checked people in.
>     BTW, it was Washington D.C., Charles, in case that is
>what led to your apparent confusion.
>
>                                       MP.

Sounds to me as if you were not counted.  So, when you return to D.C. to
count the million or so signatures, you had better add yourself to the list!
I wonder how many other people were in the same situation as yourself and
were also not counted...

--Ian Douglas Agranat, President        
  Agranat Systems, Inc.
  ian@Agranat.COM
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