HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:07:59 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.201559.10018@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes...
> 
>I didn't blame Old Chiang for what he has done, but I hate that he viewed
>himself as democracy for what he has done. 

Old Chiang and his KMT had fooled many of us. Remember in the old time the
slogan "President Chiang is Chinese savior" What a joke! We paid tax to have 
him manage the country but his propoganda machine used these money to paint 
the slogan everywhere in Taiwan. Fortunately, these are history.

>Every one can choose what he 
>want to be, but he must be honest. If old Chiag can openly admit he is a 
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>dictator and an emperor. I would have nothing to say about him. But, he lied.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

:-) :-) I wonder if Mr Chang is too naive or ... 

>It is true that without Old Chiang, Taiwan  won't be the same as she is
>now. But, the real question is will Taiwan be better off or worse ?
>Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
>close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>what Taiwan is now.  

If Taiwan was governed by the US, Taiwan might have become a US military base
for Korean war or Vietnam war. After cold war, Taiwan will not be strategically
important and Taiwan people may have to live on heavy subsidy by the US 
government like Guan or seek buyers for their numerous military bases like 
Philipine tries to sell Clark base or beg the US dont close them down.

If Taiwan was ruled by Japan, Taiwan might have become big farm land for Japan 
to plant sugar cane, rice, etc and Taiwan people were forced to speak/write 
Japanese and adopted Japanese name as Japan did during her colony era. 
Taiwanese might have been treated as today's Koreans in Japan. During WWII, 
some Taiwanese women were forced to serve as comfort woman to Japanese 
soldiers, I guess Mr. Chang might feel these history are better off than 
Old Chiang's. 

>So, what is the point to thank old Chiang ?

There is no point to thank anyone. We paid tax to "hire" old Chiang, little
Chiang, old Lee, ... etc manage the government, if they do good job, we 
continue hire them otherwise they should be fired. That's all.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (oldzhou)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:59:31 GMT

this is just a test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhang@math15.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang)
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:42:46 GMT

In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu>, yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu 
(Jeffrey Feng) writes:

> Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. 
> I'm very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated 
> compatriats cannot spell and write English well. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
You're very disappointed, and me too, my dear highly educated COMPATRIOT.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:59:33 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1

> From: tian@ece.scarolina.edu (Ming Tian)
> Subject: Re: Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1
> Date: 14 Oct 92 04:07:30 GMT

> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:


> >          1.  3 guo2 yan3 yi4;  I especially enjoy the five tiger
> >          generals, and I spent long time trying to figure out how
> >          they ranked in terms of wu3 yi4.  The result is like this:

> >              Luu3 bu4
> >              Ma3 chao1
> >              Guan1 yu3
> >              Zhao4 yun2
> >              Zhang1 fei1
> >              Huang2 zhong1
> Another ranking I heard of in my childhood is as follows:

>                1. Luu3 bu4
>                2. Zhao4 yun2
>                3. Zhang1 Fei1
>                4. Guan1 Yu3
>                5. Ma3 Chao1
>                6. Dian3 Wei2
>                7. Huang2 Zhong1

                 0. Diao1 Chan2

          Zhao4 yun2 was a Chang2 Sheng4 general. Chang2 Ban3 Po1
          battle made him famous, and won Cao Cao's favor.
          Cao needed live Zhao yu,not dead Zi Long.
          It's Zhao yu who entered and exited Cao's troops 7 times.
          But it's Zhang1 Fei1's shout that made Cao's troop back
          40 Li3.
          Seems Guan yu took advantage of his Qing Long Yan Yue
          Dao and Chi Tu Ma. Sharp weapon and fast horse, they
          were all about Guan Yu. Without them, who was Guan Yu?
          Ma Chao was super too. But he never got Zhuge Liang's
          real trust. It might be a different story if Zhuge
          brought Ma Chao in his try out of Qi2 Shan1.
          .....

          The ranking of Guan,Zhang and Zhao was more from their
          brotherhood sequance in term of age.

          X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jan@gluon.ansoft.com (Seaway Jan)
Subject: Penn State Chinese Student Org ?
Organization: Ansoft Corporation
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:31:47 GMT


A friend of mine is coming from mainland China to Penn State Univ
at College Park as a visiting scholar. She is looking if the student
association from mainland China at PSU, College Park, can arrange 
to pick her up at the airport and to help her settling down when she 
arrives.

If you know of the phone number and person to contact with regarding 
this, please send mail to tyc@packard.ece.cmu.edu.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:14:58 GMT

yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.223323.16998@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu ( ) writes:
> >Dear all,
> >
>Can someone out there tell me who this guy is?
>Next time he may say that students in TAM killed thousands of PLAs.
>Just watch out.

   Actually he did said something like that on this net after 6/4,1989,
   unfortunately, I didn't have the patient to figure out his broken
   english & chinese at that time. Anyone out there had the patient to
   follow him?

   joe
From: poppy@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Bush's "speech" in St. Louis
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:12:03 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

No war is popular if it is not against invasion and aggression.

Anti-war feeling could be understood before the war starts.  In Canada,
before the Gulf war, oppsition party leader was against the involvement of 
Canadian soldiers.  When the parliament passed the resolution, Canadian
CF-18 were sent to the Gulf, they all united and supported the soldiers in
the Gulf.

The Chinese-Vietnam war was not a popular one.  However, the soldiers who
was fighting for their country did deserve a moral support from their fellow
citizens. 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27694 soc.culture.china:27695
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4 (Reply to XiaoFei Wang)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 09:45:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu

In article <9210102253.AA14897@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>Hi, The place in Beijing is spelled as below: 
>
>And it is pronounced as da4 zha4 lan2, meaning big fence. 
>
No. Actually, it's pronounced as da4 shi2 lar4 in Beijing.
If you ask for directions to da4 zha4 lan2, nobody knows
what you are talking about.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27213 talk.politics.china:1731
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: What do I think about the "Protection Bill" ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:19:30 GMT

What do I think about the Protection Act?  (not a bill anymore :-)

In article <Bvy1w2.4xC@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
Lian Zheng <LZHENG@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> 
> ......
>The conclusion is easy to draw from the above.   The sounding slogans,
>such as human rights, democracy, and helping the development of China, 
>are just beatiful cheating.  Among the people I have met, including non-CSS, 
>NOBODY buys the pretext.

Well, as a Gao Gan of Indiana Univ. Lian-Yi-Hui that never deals with IFCSS
(there is a CSSA supporting IFCSS in IU), you wouldn't go against the Act
since so many of your LYH members will be benefited from the Act, right?

Then why bother to throw those crap on the network?  The Protection Act
is just like an Immigration Bus (or IFCSS Immigration Bus :-), and those
eligible ordinary CSS, no matter what they think about China, June 4th,
or related matter, they will just take the bus as FREE RIDERS, so what?

MOST of the free riders/beneficiaries of the Act even did NOT participate 
the lobby activities and they DID NOT cheat anyone/lie to anyone, why can't
they take the FREE RIDE ?  (Just like their conterpart in Canada, who got
the free ride offered by Canadian gov't two years ago without lobby!)

If you want to fire at someone, find out your correct target, such as the
IFCSS Immigration Bus drivers/pilots :-)  But who of those ordinary
riders care about what you said?   You too may take the free ride
without lying to/cheating anyone, and you may even take the bus while
condemning the drivers, and your free ride on the IFCSS immigration bus
is also COMPLETELY annonymous, i.e., no one would know whether you have
taken it or not (thinks to the system of U.S.A. :-), just like most of
the SCC bashers of protection act have been doing :-)

Disclaimer:  None of Bush's April 11, 1990 Executive Order or the Protection 
             Act of 1992 would/will benefit me becasue they were/are too late,
             and I am not a political asylee ... :-)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu ( )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Poor Shannon
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:33:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Oct14.223323.16998
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Dear all,

I am highly puzzled on why Shannon Yeh is so unpopular. I, while sympathetic
with those students who will get in trouble if they returned to China, do
believe that he has a valid point.  

I think this situation bears a lot similarity to the L.A. Riots and the June
4th movement.  Now, if any of you did participate in the 6/4 movement, admit
it, there are lots of students who participated in it for the 'fun',
'glory', 're-nao', not truly for their belief in democracy.  Just like what
is said about Chai-Lin, and Wang-dan, these so called 'leaders' took the
glory and hid away when the major crackdown came. 

So is the same thing for the protection bill.  So many of the students who
will benefit just want the damn green card, they don't really have the
'cause' behind it -- meaning, they are probably willing to say/do/claim
whatever needed to get the card.  And, why not, it has such a nice 'ring' to
it -- for the sake of 'human right protection'...

Of course, what Shannon Yeh did, mailing to the employers and all, is not
that good.  But put your hand on your heart, and can you still say that he
doesn't have a somewhat valid point?  I think you all attacked him because
he candidly uncovered something you rather keep 'implied', not spoken out.

And if you are one of the perspective benefitees, do you dare say you will
truly be 'persecuted' if you went back, while most of you probably never
laid a finger on the 6/4 movement?  Isn't this what is called the repugnant
"jian4-fen1-shi3-duo4"?  But then, of course, we are not saints.  I probably
would do the same thing, if i were in the shoes.
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:33:27 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


>
>>I think Chinese should be proud of the heritage and not dispose of it so easily
>>as other countries. Traditional characters are beautiful, simplified ones are
>>REALLY UGLY!

Why don't you use ja3 gu3 wen2. That is more beautiful.

>>
>>Martijn van der Valk                |          e-mail: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: College education (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.124301.892@unine.ch> Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch writes:
>In article <92286.014434WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>  
>>>   Please be reminded
>>>   that ALL those Chinese students were sponsored by the Chinese government
>>>   when they were at colleges in China.
>>>
>>    GUESS WHERE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT GOT THE MONEY TO SPONSOR THESE STUDENTS
>> FOR COLLEGE EDUCATION???
>
>  No need to guess. From Chinese people, right? 
>  So, those students owe Chinese people, OK?

	You told fact. In China, we have "Gao1 Kao3" (college entrance exam)
	to select the college students. However, there is no way to say
	that the droppers of "Gao1 Kao3" are so stupid that they are not
	worthwhile to be trained in colleges. The major reason for not
	enrolling every student to the college is money.
	Therefore, a college student is supported by several 
	same-agers in some sense. But this is not totally unfair since 
	Chinese people do need college students. 
	When a super computer is built,oil-searching will be more effective. 
	When a satellite is sent to space, 
	the climate forecast will be much more accurate. So saying
	that the college students "owe" Chinese people is only correct in 
	some sense but is not a very good word. The Chinese college students
	are part of Chinese people. They do some designated jobs for all
	Chinese people.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Shannon, Bush, and others
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:48:07 GMT

In article <2AD60387.10041@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu wrote:
> 
>                  ____               ___
> ----    ----     |=||     \ |     \ | |_\  __|__    ----   -----     ---
>  /|\   |=|=|=| |------| __\_|__   \ ---     /|-|    ----  |-|-|-|  ---|---
>   |    --/-/-    |--|      /\       \/     / |-|   ------ |/\/\ |   |=|=|
>          \/      |==|     /  \   |/ /\       |-|          |    \|   ==|==
>          /\      | \|    /    \              |\|                  ____|___ .
> 
>  /         __|/__   _\_ _|_\    |==|     /         __|/__
> /|----|      |\     |=|  /\    -----    /|----|      |\
> _|_||_|_     | \    /|\ /  \|   /|--    _|_||_|_     | \ .
> 			       /\|____
> 
> LaoZi is not going to buy the shit!
> 
> shannon
> -------
> 
> 

Calm down, Shannon! Don't be too angry. Your health is crucial to your later  
revolutionary career. You will need your healthy body to climb the Jing3 Gang1  
Mountain to start a new revolution. 

Also, CSS around this country might have already started the donation of  
Shannon Yeh's Rescue Fund and soon you might get your plane ticket to Beijing  
for free. You might soon meet your "beloved Chairman Mao" who is still lying in  
a glass coffin. Through special application, you might even get the permission  
to open the coffin and kiss Mao's cold forehead (yucky!). If you believe  
miracle, your kiss might even wake that "sleeping beauty" up and he might jion  
you for another trip to Jing3 Gang1 Mountain and produce another poem about "On  
Jing3 Gang1 Mountain Again". 

So, don't be so angry. In fact, you should be as happy as Pan1 Jin1lian2 met  
Xi1men2 Qing4. Your lucky day will soon come. You will met Mao!!, Like many Red  
Guards, your eyes will be full of warm tear, your hands will tremble, your body  
will boil, your face will be red and your bone will weight less then 3 ounce  
(am I talking about having sex? forgive me). Shannon, congratulation!!

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: peng@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Wuxu Peng)
Subject: Addresses of CS dept in China
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:43:39 GMT


       This is a forwarded message for a person who has no
   direct access to this news group.

   --w peng

   ---------------- Beginning of Forwarded message ----------

       The Association for Computing Machinery (ACM), the most
   prestigious association for computer science professionals,
   is sponsoring "Far-East Regional Programming Contest". The
   contest will be held in Taiwan next year. The sponsor wants
   to invite several universities from mainland of China. How-
   ever, the post addresses of most Computer Science Department
   in China are not known by the sponsor. If you happen to know
   the addresses of any CS department, I would appreciate it very
   much if you can send them to me.  Here is a partial list of
   CS departments:

   Beijing Technology University
   Beijing University
   Dongnan University (Huadong Institute of Technology)
   Fudan University
   Harbin University of Science & Technology
   Nanjing University
   Northwestern Technology University (Xibei Gongda)
   Shanhai Jiaotong University
   Sichuan University
   Tsinghua University
   University of Science & Technology of China
   Wuhan University
   Xiamen University
   Xian Jiaotong University
   Zhejiang University
   Zhongshan University

        This is only a partial list that I could recall from
   my memory.  Any other university names are certainly welcome.
   Please send me the complete department address (including
   the chairperson's name if possible) to the following email
   address:

   ch01@swtexas.bitnet

        The above is Prof. C.J. Hwang's email address, who is
   the coordinate for the "ACM Far-East Regional Programming
   Contest".  Please send the addresses by Tuesday Oct 13.

	Thank you very much for your help.

   -------------------------end-------------------------------
From: phsjjc@emrycc.cc.emory.edu (JAMES J. CEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Forward: Shen Tong? (II)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 13:59:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Dear Netters:

	Now matter what everyone thinks of Shen Tong, it's undeniable that
the arrests of him and the democracy activists he visited are gross violations
of basic human rights.  To press for their immediate release, the Aliance of
Hong Kong Chinese in the United States (AHKCUS) sent the following letter
to Li Peng shortly after the arrests.

James J. Cen
Emory University

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date:     Mon Sep 07, 1992 11:25 pm  EST
From:     Stephen Kam-Cheung Ng
          EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414
          MBX: skn1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
 
TO:     * Asia America Investment, Inc. / MCI ID: 298-6692
TO:       Simon Wu / MCI ID: 506-7101
TO:       members
          EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414
          MBX: members@ahkcus.org
Subject:  Letter for Shen Tong 

[Comments Deleted]
 
                                                September 5, 1992 
 
Premier Li Peng
People's Republic of China
Beijing 
China 
 
 
Dear Premier Li Peng, 
 
    The Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese in the United States protest in the 
strongest terms the recent detention of Chinese citizens Shen Tong, Qi 
Dafeng, and Qian Liyun by the Public Security Bureau of Beijing. 
 
    The constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees Chinese 
citizens the freedoms of association and expression.  We have reason to
believe that Shen Tong, Qi Dafeng, and Qian Liyun were detained for their
exercise of these freedoms.  Their detention exposes once again the 
continuY2 8Y..W{on of individuals for their political belief and severe 
abuse of human rights in China. 
 
    We demand the immediate and unconditional release of these three 
citizens as well as all other political prisoners, including but not
limited to Wei Jingshen, Wang Juntao, Chen Zimeng, Liu Gang, and Ran 
Wanding.  All Chinese citizens should be treated fairly and equally before
the law.  We strongly deplore any selective application of justice.
 
 
 
Yours sincerely, 
 
 
 
Stephen K. Ng, MD 
Chairperson 
-----------------------------TO BE CONTINUED------------------------------

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: aghanda3@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:28:40 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <9210130123.AA16207@phloem.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>           One thing I miss in the U.S. is xiao ren shu (XRS).
>           Here are my favorate ones:
> 
>           1.  3 guo2 yan3 yi4;  I especially enjoy the five tiger
>           generals, and I spent long time trying to figure out how
>           they ranked in terms of wu3 yi4.  The result is like this:
> 
>               Luu3 bu4
>               Ma3 chao1
>               Guan1 yu3
>               Zhao4 yun2
>               Zhang1 fei1
>               Huang2 zhong1
> 
	Personally, I think Jiang3Wei2 should be given very high rank, although 
	he apeared a little bit later in the story.

>           2.  Yue4 fei1 zhuan4;  ...
> 
>           3.  Shui3 hu3 and the West Tour;  ...
	
	A few other xrs's that should be added to this category include:
	Yang2Jia1Jiang4 (not those Yang's that are living in Chinese political
	stage nowadays), etc.

> 
>           Oh, Xiao3 ren2 shu1,  huang3 ru2 ge2 shi4.
>
	Agree. Xiao3 Ren2 Shu1 is definitely better than Da4 Ren2 Shu1 (adult
	books). Therefore, Patrick said: ;^)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Give me a Xiao3 Ren2 Shu1 or give death.       -- Patrick Henry
From: ** Sender Unknown **
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shannon's Bedroom (was Re: Shannon, Bush, and others)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:36:36 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA

In article <1992Oct9.165007.24249@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>
>
  Main BODY deleted here
>
>
> He has one bedroom full of Mao's great works.
> 
> Carl 
> 
>

So, you know pretty well about his bedroom. Is he good? (-:
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28158 soc.culture.hongkong:12737 soc.culture.taiwan:14530
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:58:41 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
 <Bw6Guw.5s0@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> <1992Oct16.200013.8549@mprgate.mpr.ca>

>... simplified characters were designed with utility in mind...

     This is not totally true.  In the history, it is common for a non-simpli-
fied character to be written in many ways by people in different geographical
areas.  All languages are designed with linguistic economy in mind.  In the
list of simplified characters (1950), many words were just as ancient as their
original forms.  They were entered into the list because they are simpler than
other variations of the same original word.  For the most part of the list, the
Chinese scholars did not CREATE simplified chars, they ADOPTED what was
already commonly used in life.  Therefore, it is safe to say that the Chinese
chars were simplified naturally (by the history), and not artificially.  What
the Government did was nothing but to legalize natural products.  Dictionary
writers of all languages revise their dictionaries every year, what they do is
nothing but legalizing "new words".  Condemnation of simplified chars is not
justified, untill scholars stop revising their dictionaries.  But that can't
happen, it seems.   Luo.