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From: bonnie@nmsu.edu (Bonnie Hargrave)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery,alt.support,alt.recovery.sexual-abuse
Subject: Re: Do I snitch?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:46:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Research Lab


My husband suggested this idea as a way to stay anonymous and avoid
hurting your friend.  Give the man's name and company name to the IRS
and mention that he has bragged about stealing from that company; we
doubt he's declaring the extra "income."  The IRS might be very glad
for the tip; if not, no harm will be done.

It's possible that he's just making this up in an effort to impress
women.  What a jerk, though, in either case.  And you don't have to
find out for sure; all you have to say to the IRS is what you know to
be true.  The IRS is probably much better at subterfuge that you could
ever hope to be.

This doesn't, unfortunately, address the harrassment issue.  Unless
the women involved are willing to say something, I don't see much that
you can do except indirectly, eg., support your friend.  

I'm a 'doer' type myself, and I find it frustrating to sit by while
others complain about a situation but can't get up the gumption to
_do_ anything about it.  I have to remind myself that we all have our
individual ways of relieving stress -- perhaps confiding in you is all
your friend needed.

Or perhaps the situation will get even worse if she does nothing --
until she becomes yet another of those women who have left the
company.  One may advise, but one cannot become the other person.

Bonnie

--

		bonnie@nmsu.edu         
		Bonnie Hargrave        
Newsgroups: alt.recovery,alt.support,alt.recovery.sexual-abuse
From: bonnie@nmsu.edu (Bonnie Hargrave)
Subject: Re: Do I snitch?
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:54:18 GMT


David,

I found your words a little harsh.  And I'm not absolutely sure I
agree with your point.  If I drove by a house and saw it being robbed,
I would certainly report it, whether or not anyone had actually
_asked_ me to.

Lenore just wants to do the right thing here.  My thought would be that
if her friend does not want her to get involved then the right thing
is to stay out of the situation.  But just because she's concerned,
does not make her into a "moral police(wo)man."   Cut her some slack.
This is a support group.
--

		bonnie@nmsu.edu         
		Bonnie Hargrave        

Newsgroups: alt.recovery,alt.support,alt.recovery.sexual-abuse
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: Do I snitch?
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:57:12 GMT

In article <2AD2E383.5BE4@tct.com> lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook) writes:
>There is a young woman (19 years old) who lives in my area.i
>I'll call her Alice.  Well, I have just learned that Alices
>boss sexually harassed her just recently.  She does not want
>to do anything - just forget it.  I think the *&(*%# should
>be prosecuted, but will not tell Alice what to do.
>
>In the process of the the harassment he (the *&(*Y&(*&) 
>admitted that he had been stealing from the business.
>
>Question - I want to call his boss anonomously and suggest that
>they may want to implement some checks to control their inventory
>better and hopefully catch this guy.  Also I would like to
>suggest that they check with some women who have suddenly quit
>recently and get the reason.i
>
>Concern - I am a co-dependent and am not sure if I'm trying 
>to control the situation 
>
>Should I do what I said above, or butt out?
>
>
I'd say butt out. Unless it's the company *you* work for, then that
would be different.  You don't know the possible ramifications your
actions could have on your friend.  If they wanted, maybe they could
trace you to a friend of their employee.  Plus, anonymous calls such
as yours would most likely be ignored by any company. Basically, if
after talking about it and looking at it extensively, your friend
has decided to not take action (not that I agree or disagree with this)
who are you to be the world's moral policeman?  Yes, I'd say these
types of feelings are indeed an attempt to control the situation,
especially as you have no personal involvement there at all.

David S.



From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:41:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.recovery

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: kmd@fico.uucp
Subject: Re: Please Help
Reply-To: kmd@fico.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:08:49 GMT

In article <16100004@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
>
>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>2.) Are you pro choice?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
>rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>5.) What sex are you?
>Male               [ ]
>Female             [ ]
>
>6.) How old are you?
>Under 18           [ ]
>19 to 65           [ ]
>Over 65            [ ]
>
>7.) What religion are you?
>Protestant         [ ]
>Catholic           [ ]
>Jewish             [ ]
>Other              [ ]
>
>8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
>Democratic         [ ]
>Republican         [ ]
>Other              [ ]
>
>9.) How many years of education have you completed?
>Grade School       [ ]
>High School        [ ]
>College            [ ]
>More               [ ]

Why dont you tell us what this will hel? And what does it have to do with
this, or any other, newsgroup.

Sheesh....the noive of some people.........






  
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: Suzanne-lucia.Demitrio@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Suzanne-lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: Wendy Kaminer's book
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.213613.10161km@gumby.dsd.trw.com>
suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre) writes:

>In article <Bvpq0D.9BA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> 
>escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth) writes: 
>
>>Anyway, I found this book to be extremely interesting and very
>>insightful.  Her book centers around the idea that as a society we are
>>getting caught up in this recovery movement that tells us that we are
>>all victims. Kaminer explores how this attitude may be reflected in our
>>society, such as the issue of responsibilty etc.  Kaminer went to many
>>self help AA type groups and workshops to do research for this book and
>>was disturbed by how people would sometimes pay these large sums of
>>money to be told what to do and how to feel by people with little or no
>>qualifications and would never question what they were being told.

[much interesting stuff on media exposes of the self-help movement deleted]

>While I haven't read the Kaminer book, I see a pattern
>repeating itself.

Actually, Kaminer's book is not just another expose.  Though she has a
background in journalism (and she does get catty about the costs of some
training sessions), her field research is secondary to her thesis -- that
certain elements of the philosophy of the recovery movement (acknowledging
powerlessness, emphasizing self-improvement over external social change,
focusing on only the subjective emotional component of grievances, etc.)
are antithetical to political consciousness and action.  Kaminer
genuinely cares about feminism and social justice, and she is (I think
justly) troubled by the influence that various modern movements (and she
traces back through the nineteenth century) have on the serious business
of doing good in the world.

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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Newsgroups: alt.recovery,alt.support,alt.recovery.sexual-abuse
From: lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
Subject: Do I snitch?
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 13:17:54 GMT

There is a young woman (19 years old) who lives in my area.i
I'll call her Alice.  Well, I have just learned that Alices
boss sexually harassed her just recently.  She does not want
to do anything - just forget it.  I think the *&(*%# should
be prosecuted, but will not tell Alice what to do.

In the process of the the harassment he (the *&(*Y&(*&) 
admitted that he had been stealing from the business.

Question - I want to call his boss anonomously and suggest that
they may want to implement some checks to control their inventory
better and hopefully catch this guy.  Also I would like to
suggest that they check with some women who have suddenly quit
recently and get the reason.i

Concern - I am a co-dependent and am not sure if I'm trying 
to control the situation 

Should I do what I said above, or butt out?
From: rnt@druwa.ATT.COM (Bob Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:58:59 GMT

in article <16100005@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) says:
+ 
+ Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
+ group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.
+ 
+ Kingsley

That's okay. Keep coming back!
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: Spirituality
Organization: OFSA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:41:39 GMT


	For me, spirituality emcompasses innumerable things. I say
innumerable because I do not believe I have perceived all the various
facets of my personal spirituality and probably never will.

	My perception of self is part of it. The way I think of
myself, how I feel about myself, how much I believe in myself, the
trust I have for myself.

	My perception of other human beings. How I regard them, how I
trust them, how I love them. How I see myself interracting with them.

	My perception of the world. Where I fit into it and how I see
others fitting into it. How I perceive the way things interrelate on a
macrocosmic as well as microcosmic level. 

	My perception of all other living things. The way I interract
with them, the way I respect them and see how they fit into this life.

	My perception of a higher power...a nebulous force that has no
specific name unless I label it which then may restrict it in my
belief structure.

	Notice that I do not specifically discuss what my sense of
spirituality IS...only that I see various facets of what I consider to
be part of it. All the above gross categories can be broken down into
sub and sub-sub-nn categories such as my perception of myself is
broken down into my physical, emotional, mental health. The can be
further subdivided into multitudinous categories. 

	Good topic...is making me think.

Steve

Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: Insanity Definition and Pres Debate (NON-POLITICAL)
Organization: Brain Electrophysiology Lab, University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.013305.2688@csc.ti.com> barbaraj@csc.ti.com (Heart
Dancer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.184101.29400@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, cah@tyr.JPL.NASA.gov
(Allen) writes:
>>> Does anyone out there remember the source of the quote, "Insanity is
>>> doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something
>>> different to happen?" (or words to that effect).
>
>The last time I heard it, it was attributed to "either John Bradshaw or 
>Earnie Larson.  I don't know who said it first."
>
>BJ
>
It is from the second step section of the How it Works chapter of the Narcotics
Anonymous Basic Text. Now, the dope fiends may have stolen it from somewhere
else (we're like that, you know) but you will find it there.

--geoff
From: weiss@LEOPARD.CS.UIDAHO.EDU (Phil Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Definition of insanity
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:18:53 GMT
Reply-To: alt-recovery@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (alt.recovery)

> 
> Does anyone out there remember the source of the quote, "Insanity is
> doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something
> different to happen?" (or words to that effect).
> 
> I was listening to the debate on Sunday with some 12-Steppers and we
> all enjoyed this particular quote.  All of us knew it and suspected it
> to be recovery-oriented, but could not think of the source.  Does
> anyone out there have an idea?  Go ahead, shoot me if it's the Big
> Book ... :-)
> 

_Alcoholics Anonymous_ says alcoholic insanity is the lack of
proportion and the ability to think straight.

The other quote may be in the stories.  I don't know.  I don't
read the stories much (they don't have directions on how to
stay sober).  Other "approved" literature may or may not have
the quote in it.  I have heard it repeated much at meetings.

Of course, I also hear "You are alright just the way you are."
and "We love you til you love yourself." and "There are no
musts in recovery." and a lot of other lines which are pretty
much bunk as well too.

Phil.
--
Philip Weiss    Laboratory for Applied Logic    weiss@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
(Disclaimer: My views are not their views)      weiss872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu
Xref: sparky la.general:790 ca.general:1406
From: srt@aero.org (Scott R. Turner)
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
Subject: Re: GET ME OUT OF LOS ANGELES (at least for 2 days!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:16:42 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: sun-marino.aero.org

Some other possibilities:

Joshua Tree National Monument -

This might be stretching your 2-1/2 driving limit (Joshua Tree is a
little past Palm Springs on the I-10).  JTNM is where the Colorado and
Sonoran deserts meet.  The northern part of the monument is a
fairyland of Joshua trees and huge monoliths.  As of last weekend, the
weather was nearly perfect - hot during the day and cuddle-up-in-
sleeping-bags cold at night.  You're likely to see coyotes,
jackrabbits, roadrunners, possibly tarantulas, and if you're lucky,
bighorn sheep.  Don't miss the Wonderland of Rocks - the Barker Dam
hike is an easy, flat, 1.1 fascinating miles.

Idyllwild - 

This is a mountain cabin, towering pines and snow in the winter area
surprisingly close to downtown LA.  It will probably stretch your
budget, although camping is an option here as well.  (Maybe someone
can compare Idyllwild and Big Bear?  And can someone reccomend cabins
or areas in Big Bear?)

				-- Scott T.

Newsgroups: la.general
From: brihut@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Brian Hutchings)
Subject: Re: large crystals for sale
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:27:47 GMT

"citrine" is piss-yellow?
Xref: sparky la.general:793 ca.general:1411
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
Subject: Re: GET ME OUT OF LOS ANGELES (at least for 2 day
From: sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:35:00 PDT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CSLA

In article <srt.718903474@sun-marino> srt@aero.org (Scott R. Turner) writes:
>fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
>>Well, everything depends on your taste, naturally.  Palm
>>Springs is certainly a possibility, although my friends
>>seem to prefer Desert Hot Springs and other spa towns.
>

Try Catalina Island - it is a good vacation get-away for 1-2 days!!

Xref: sparky la.general:787 ca.general:1402
From: fishkin@usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
Subject: GET ME OUT OF LOS ANGELES (at least for 2 days!)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:56:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

We've got two days off together AND in a row for once, so we want to
take a mini-vacation.  Help us decide!  Here's the rundown:
	We're leaving from Alhambra (near Pasadena if you don't know where
this is).  
	We are willing to drive up to 2 1/2 hrs each way. 
	We will leave  Weds morning and return Thurs eve 
		(although maybe we'll leave Tues eve)
	Money IS an option, since I'm a struggling grad student and my S.O.
		isn't wealthy...

SOOO, where should we go? Where should we stay? What should we see?  Where
should we eat?
	We were considering going to Palm Springs and doing the Spa-thing, but
since we're not from LA, we don't know if this is actually a fun/relaxing
thing or if its a tourist rip-off.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Stephanie
fishkin@usc.edu
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: GET ME OUT OF LOS ANGELES (at least for 2 days!)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:59:47 GMT

fishkin@usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin) writes:

>We've got two days off together AND in a row for once, so we want to
>take a mini-vacation.  Help us decide!  Here's the rundown:
>	We're leaving from Alhambra (near Pasadena if you don't know where
>this is).  
>	We are willing to drive up to 2 1/2 hrs each way. 
>	We will leave  Weds morning and return Thurs eve 
>		(although maybe we'll leave Tues eve)
>	Money IS an option, since I'm a struggling grad student and my S.O.
>		isn't wealthy...
>
>SOOO, where should we go? Where should we stay? What should we see?  Where
>should we eat?
>	We were considering going to Palm Springs and doing the Spa-thing, but
>since we're not from LA, we don't know if this is actually a fun/relaxing
>thing or if its a tourist rip-off.

Well, everything depends on your taste, naturally.  Palm
Springs is certainly a possibility, although my friends
seem to prefer Desert Hot Springs and other spa towns.

Personally, I would lean toward going down to San Diego
and going to the zoo and/or the various museums in Balboa
Park.  Northerly, Santa Barbara is a nice change of
scenery, or if you and/or your S.O. are particularly
enamored of pastries and/or chotchkeys (sp?), Solvang
is an offbeat place to wake up in the morning.  If
you like the outdoors, the Arrowhead/Big Bear area
is a good spot to get a cabin (assuming that you don't
believe in lightning striking twice, earthquake-wise).

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: obrien@Aero.org (Michael O'Brien)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Baton Rouge Businessman Indicted for Illegal Discharge of Pollutants
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:23:02 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: anpiel.aero.org

In article <1992Oct14.230015.15064@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:

	<a bunch of stuff about an indictment in New Orleans>

This is actually very interesting!  I didn't know there was another
'la.general'.  Sure does look like there's an 'la.general' covering
the state of Louisiana!
--
Mike O'Brien
obrien@aero.org
From: akdas@alnitak.usc.edu (Ashok K Das)
Newsgroups: usc.general,la.general
Subject: Rideshare: Los Angeles to San Fransisco/San Jose/Monterey
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:22:14 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu


Origin:  Los Angeles, USC
Destination:  San Jose or Monterey or San Fransisco

Driving Fri or Saturday (10/16 or 10/17).  Coming back on Tuesday (10/20).

Car Options:
	1. My car, you share gas and driving.
	2. Your car, I share gas and driving.

Ride options:
	1. Both ways
	2. One way, if you must come back by Sunday.

Contact:
	Ashok Das
	213-737-4295 or 740-0506
	akdas@usc.edu

-- 
Ashok K. Das
akdas@aludra.usc.edu or usc!aludra!akdas; Voice: (213)-737-4295(H)/740-9500(S)
Mech. Engg. OHE 430, Univ. of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-1453
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
From: srt@aero.org (Scott R. Turner)
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
Subject: Re: GET ME OUT OF LOS ANGELES (at least for 2 days!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:24:34 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: sun-marino.aero.org

fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
>Well, everything depends on your taste, naturally.  Palm
>Springs is certainly a possibility, although my friends
>seem to prefer Desert Hot Springs and other spa towns.

Frank, can you or your friends recommend a reasonably-priced place to
stay in Desert Hot Springs?  And/or give any other info?  DHS gets
recommended by LA Weekly, etc., but usually w/o any specific info.

						-- Scott T.
Xref: sparky la.general:807 ca.general:1427
From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general
Subject: Re: Outta L.A. Thanks
Date: 17 Oct 1992 03:14:14 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

fishkin@usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin) writes:


>Thanks to all of you who responded to my plea!

>We also did
>the aerial tram thing. It was pricy, but the view at sunset was just
>fabulous!  Too bad there's no way to go hiking in that area without 
>paying for the tram, since it looks like it could be a nice place for
>a day hike. 

YOUR LUCKY DAY!.  Drive to idyllwild, buy your camping permint,
and then hike up Devil's Slide trail (the name is historical,
the trail is very well-maintained). My wife are particularly
partial to skunk cabbage meadow.  

-tyler


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From: hflashne@alnitak.usc.edu (Henryk Flashner)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: One bedroom apartment for rent
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:38:26 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu


	CHEAPEST RENT ON THE WESTSIDE!  $725 for spotless, one-bedroom
	apartment with 2-car covered parking.  Great location near
	Westwood Blvd./Santa Monica Blvd.  Walk to nearby stores and
	restaurants, 1.5 miles to UCLA.  Available December 1, 1992.
	Call Henryk (310) 475-1739 evenings, (213) 740-0489 days.

	Henryk Flashner