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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.audio.pro
Subject: Re: Low cost A/D w/ AES/EBU output?? (was Re: Comments/Experiences/Recommendations on Emu EIIIxp)
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:30:31 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <MAYER.92Sep25182924@hplnpm1.hpl.hp.com> mayer@hplnpm1.hpl.hp.com (Niels P. Mayer) writes:
>[...]
>It seems that getting a pro DAT deck with AES/EBU digital outs is the
>cheapest way to add an A/D converter to a low end digital studio... So far
>I've found two units that'll do the trick:
>
>	* Tascam DA-30 -- $1000.00 (retail)
>		* two separate 16bit 64x oversampling delta-sigma A/D's
>		* doesn't require a DAT cassette in order to do A/D conv.
>		* "AES/EBU digital interface bypasses copy prohibit mode"
>	* Panasonic SV-3700 -- $1350.00 (retail)
>		* two separate 16 bit 64x oversampling delta-sigma A/D's
>		* to use as A/D converter, requires a DAT casette to be
>		  inserted, with unit placed in record-pause mode....
>		* SCMS can be disabled via dip/switch on the back
>
>Anybody have any preferences/recommendations for either of the above
>models?

As long as you're thinking about getting a DAT you might as well think
about using it for recording/mastering.  I have a SV-3700 and I'm
very happy with it.  I find certain features of the SV-3700 to be
very important for my work such as: tape error rate display, shuttle
dial with 1/2 speed mode (for cueing start-ids), and an *extremely* 
fast tape wind mode.  In any case, I've noticed that owners of both 
the SV-3700 and DA-30 express satisfaction with their decks so you 
probably will be happy with either one.  If all you want is a
converter, go for the cheaper deck.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re:      K2000 Questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:09:38 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


    1) Is an internal hard drive worth it?  How difficult is it to install
    your own hard drive?  What size is a good one to get?  Is the disk drive
    that slow or the amount of data that large to make a hard drive worth it?
    
If you just use the thing as a synth, maybe the floppy is sufficient.  But
if you want to play around with a lot of samples, it's a big hassle to load
them off floppies.  It takes something like a minute to load a 2M byte
sample off the floppy, and it all goes away whenever you power down the
machine.  So you almost certainly will want a hard disk big enough to hold
all your favorite samples and programs.  An external SCSI disk is probably
cheaper, but less roadwaorthy.

I don't think it's currently possible to keep all this on your computer and
download via a SCSI connection (faster than MIDI), but this may be an
option in future software.

    2) How are the Stratus Sounds?  Is it worth it to get the whole bundle,
    or piecemeal?  I find it difficult to buy sounds that you can't test out
    first.  I read the glowing review in Keyboard awhile back, but I'd like to
    hear some confirmation about their quality.
    
I've heard a few of the Stratus disks, and the quality is very good.  You
probably want to pick and choose.  To buy the whole set would take $1000 or
so.

-- Scott

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Scott E. Fahlman
School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Internet: sef+@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: rlw@elan (Robert Wald)
Subject: For Sale TG-33
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:04:40 GMT

  Looking to sell a TG-33. In new condition. Asking $350. Selling because
I need a new keyboard (which the TG-33 doesn't have). Thanks
From: dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: net purchases
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.140439.23830@spss.com> bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays) writes:
>> 
>> >Or have a home-maker wife to receive it for you...
>> 
>> 	You're going to get flamed for that one, I predict.
>
>Yep.  Didn't know we had so many bigots on the network (I worked at a
>scientific company previously and I am continually surprised at how
>much discrimination still exists among such "educated, literate"
>people).  Flame enough?

	No, too much...  What the hell - the guy was just saying what one of
the few possibilities for receiving a COD was.  You don't think there are home-
maker wives out there?  You think it is inherantly bad if both members of a
couple don't work??  Now you're calling this guy a *bigot*???  What the f*ck!?
Calm the goddamn hell down, you P.C. slug.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.cd
From: knight@rtsg.mot.com (Paul E. Knight)
Subject: Sampling CD library recommendations sought
Summary: Looking for recommendations ...
Keywords: CD, sampling, library
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:21:31 GMT

I am interested in obtaining a recommendation on a CD sampling library.
I am most interested in orchestral/acoustic instruments, less in
synths/drums/house/etc.   If any sampler power users are pleased with
a particular library, please drop me a line .....

Tnx,

Paul Knight

paulk@cradhp10.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jscotkin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Scotkin)
Subject: Anyone have General Midi patch for SY22
Followup-To: joels@fsg.com
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 01:49:36 GMT


I have an SY22 (which I love!), but I was just wondering
if anyone had either a patch map (text file or Windows Midi Mapper
format would be nice) or even better, a sysex dump that corresponded
to the General Midi Spec.  Thanks in advance,

Joel

PS - Please e-mail to joels@fsg.com.  Thanks.
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: DX7 list was Re: CZ101 for sale
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:48:34 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <vahz7!l@rpi.edu>
kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) writes:
 
>In <1686E13210.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>>The possible sounds are great, and it's a hell of a lot better deal than
>>>paying $500 for a DX-7!!!!!
>>>(which is what they're still going for as far as
>>>I know....now that's a real ripoff!!!)
>>Well, at least they aren't going for the original list of $1395.
>Eeeeeek!  I paid $2,000 for mine in 1983!  Granted that I was only 14
>at the time, but are you sure it listed for that much lower than I
>paid?  (There were no cool music stores where I lived at that
>time....)
 
That was the suggested US retail price. My source is page 35 of the Aug '83
Keyboard magazine. The demand was probably high enough for dealers to
mark-up the price as high as they wanted.
 
Speaking of Sources, cheer up! I paid $800 in '83 for my Moog Source,
I thought it was a great deal (half of list) until a year later I saw them
in a factory-direct sell-out catalog for $125. Luckily I had already traded
it for a SCI MultiTrak. :)
 
--Eric
 
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Midi songs - border/everyw/hotelc
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 08:50:11 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park

lou@ico.isc.com (Lou Warshawsky) writes:

> I have discovered the problem with those recently posted midi files:
> after each occurrence of the byte 0x0d there is an extra byte 0x00.
> Probably one of the poster's systems was trying to do something with
> carriage returns.  Enclosed is a small Microsoft C program which
> corrects the problem on my PC.  The setmode() calls are not needed on
> systems like UNIX that don't distinguish ASCII files from binary ones.


	I tried them (I was bored...sue me....), and they worked
fine on my PC with Cakewalk. I don't know why people are having
problems with it and I haven't.




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markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
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From: murat@farallon.com (Murat N. Konar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: PB100/MIDI works? SOS!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:20:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Farallon Computing

In article <1992Sep30.161910.21042@gmd.de>, thomas@gmd.de (Tom Gordon,
I3.KI 2665) wrote:
> 
> What MIDI interface do you use?   Despite all of the claims here on the
> Net that MIDI programs didn't work with the PB170 -- until OMS at least
> -- a friend of mine has been using Finale with a PB170 without any
> troubles, from the very beginning.  (At least so he claims.)   He uses
> a fairly old Opcode MIDI interface.  However, when we tried Finale with
> my Apple MIDI interface, we couldn't get it to work at all.
> 
> One hypothesis:  The Apple MIDI interface draws its power from the
> Macintosh port to which it is connected, whereas the OpCode interface
> has its own power supply.  So, perhaps Finale works with a PB170 (at
> least) only when the MIDI interface does not draw power from the
> PowerBook.

I have been able to use Apple's MIDI Interface with PB 140's and 170's. 
I've never tried it it with a PB100.  

Here's a tip for all PowerBook users: as counter-intuitive as it may seem,
it helps to have AppleTalk turned on.  This keeps the Power Manager from
turning off the serial ports.  The switch for AppleTalk is in the Chooser.

______________________________________________________________________________
Murat N. Konar
Sound Software Engineer (NOT!)
Farallon Computing, Inc.
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 09:44:57 CET
From: <ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Analog suggestions, anyone?

Hi,
.. Umm If I was you .. I would check out some of these beauties :


- Akai VX600   ( a kind of Matrix 1000 clone )
- Akai VX90
- Fender Chroma Polaris
- Korg DW6000
- Korg DW8000 !!!
- Korg Polysix plus MIDI kit
- Oberheim Matrix6/6R/1000
- Oberheim OB-8 (plus midi kit) maybe a bit expensive for your budget
- Prophet 5/10/T8/VS
- Roland JX10 / MKS70 plus PG800 programmer
- Roland JX8P plus PG800 programmer
- Roland JUNO 106
- Roland JUNO 6/60 plus midi kit
- Roland JX3-P / MKS-30 plus PG200 programmer
- Yamaha CS60/80 (no MIDI)

The funny things I realize now,is that there are very few "modules""
with VCO's and MIDI, one I can remamber is the great ROLAND MKS-80
the Xpander and .. any other ??

Ciao
Andrea TONI     ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET        ENV   ENV   ENV
-------------------------------------------I-----I-----I----------------
.. Bellezza e' semplicita' e modestia ..  VCO-->VCF-->VCA-->DUCATI 900SS
-------------------------------------------I-----I-----I----------------
                                          LFO   LFO   LFO
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: Synth timbres alone (was Re: I don't think any of us are belittling)
Organization: Atomic City
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:33:13 GMT

In article <1493@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

>You seem to believe that you can come up with a *single* patch that is
>expressive and interesting as a more traditional acoustic instrument:
>
>    "I also absolutely do not agree that no synth patch is not enough to 
>    stand on its own.  Get enough modulation and variation into a patch, 
>    and you can stand up to a violin any day."
>
>Perhaps we disagree on the meaning of "stand up on it's own".

I think you do, and on this matter I lean more toward Dan's opinion
than toward yours....

>We have been listening to violins and pianos for centuries and they
>still sound good.  I have never heard a synth patch that can remain 
>interesting, by itself, for an hour (much less 200 years). 

If you listened to someone who wasn't a very good pianist playing the
nicest piano ever built, I'll bet you'd get sick of it in a lot less
than an hour. A person who is good at what they play can make an 
electronic keyboard sound good enough to listen to for an hour without
any trouble. Anthony Phillips can sit down at the Polymoog and just
play it, producing utterly wonderful stuff.

>(Sure, I have some patches that I can enjoy playing for an extended 
>period of time but that's nothing more than musical masturbation and 
>I would never subject my audience to it.)

Oh god, not more onanism. I would call a lot of what Keith Jarrett plays
"masturbation" but that would launch a whole 'nuther rhubarb....

>Which of course agrees with my original point about GMIDI being naive
>in the sense that it limits you to a conceptual patch bank that is
>too restrictive.  It largely attempts to imitate traditional acoustic
>instruments.  The imitations can sound very rich but they don't even
>come close to providing the range of expression and style of the
>originals.  It is the variety of timbres that makes a synthesizer 
>interesting.  The more the better.  One patch, or even a bank of 128 
>patches, starts to get old rather quickly.

I agree with everything here EXCEPT the last two sentences. There is 
no reason why one bank of 128 good sounds can't be used again and again
to suggest musical idioms in a composer's work, they way the sounds of
a traditional acoustic orchestra are used. I reuse some of my own sounds
frequently, when there's a place where they're appropriate. I don't 
-- 
metlay            | "Which only goes to prove one thing....
                  |  and I don't know what it is."
                  | 
metlay@netcom.com |                          (n. weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: why the WS exists...? (was Re: why General MIDI is good for music)
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:28:36 GMT

kemp@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (John Kemp) writes:

>>> This sums up why the sythn industry is dead.  People would rather play a 
>Now you're talking!  I think we have a severe user-interface 
>problem here.  The people designing the hardware are burying 
>the capability of their machines behind two-line 60 character
>LED displays with 10-digit keypads!

>Take the identical hardware, and put an intuitive graphical
>interface on it, and you have something extremely powerful.
>So I wouldn't put all the blame on the musicians.  The hardware
>that gets handed to them is pretty daunting to begin with.

Ha! That reminds me of my TX16W. Ever tried to get *that* beast under
control? Sure the OS was designed by some mentally deranged... What
a pitty it sounds so good :)
OK, I know it's late... Skjoezzzz me

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra                            hjv@phil.ruu.nl
Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hmikola@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Tapio Mikola)
Subject: Sequencer/IBM
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:09:52 GMT

I'm desperately looking for a shareware sequencer for Windows 3.1. I know there
are a lot of excellent (and expensive) products in the market but I don't have
that much of money. It is only a hobby, not a profession. Suggestions??

Hannu Mikola   hmikola@utu.fi
From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:35:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Roland W30 - Continued
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: *** WARNING *** Pandemonium Contest possibly a HOAX?
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:46:55
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us's message of Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:17:17 PDT

> AGAIN: This may NOT be a scam... but so far, it's pointing to that direction.

There is no doubt it is a scam as it is a gambling operation from what
you are describing.
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From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: RDS*.* (was Re:Aint it dead yet vocals)
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:42:26 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> Digitech has several of these effects processors, starting from
> the DSP 128 (there may be an earlier one) to the "Time <something or rather>"
> series 2000, 4000, and 8000 (for a 2, 4, or 8 second sample and hold 
> time).  Once the input is sampled, the playback rate (and other
> info) can be altered, createing that "lightening fast" echo which
> can slow down to a "snail echo" if desired.
Well,
   I spoke to a guy at Digitech and he pointed me toward their RDS4000 and
RDS8000.  These sounded like they would do exactly what I want, but I am not
sure.  Anybody have either of these two things?  I'm assuming they are
basically the same except the 8000 holds 8 seconds compared to the 4000's 4. 
Correct?  Are these good items?  Anyone want to sell one?  Anyone out there?
The main thing I need to know about these us if they instantaneously sample and
loop vocals.  This is the effect I want, I do not want to do any editing, I
want it to sample input according to my specs and start looping right away.

Not GINGERIC9178 at all, but Robert Williams.....
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon NUNIS)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:49:41 GMT
Subject: U20 gone crazy!
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

Hi everyone.

I just managed to totally craze up my U20.  Now, all the internal settings
are not correct...even the PARTs are using weird TIMBREs and also have funny
settings in the ADSR and other settings.

Can someone send me a sysex file to send to my U20 with the factory settins
in it?  I am really desperate here and have no FTP access, so i need someone
to send it to me.  Please help.  

All information would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks.

simon :(
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: frank@mbsdev18.kiosk ( Frank Filippis )
Subject: Opinions on Yamaha SY-85
Organization: /home/frank/.organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:02:55 GMT

Does anyone have specs for the Yamaha SY-85?

How does it compare to the SY-77 or SY-99?

Frank Filippis
slcpi!doozer!frank
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: patch ftp sites
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:13:51 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

I have a roland d-50
roland d-110
yamaha tx81z
and a proteus 1+ (8 meg of ram) (4 meg of proteus 1 sounds, 4 meg of orchestral)
Does anyone know any ftp sites that have patches for these and/or programs
to save/dump patches to an ibm pc?
 - Thanks in advance
 - Kirk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: thomas@gmd.de (Tom Gordon, I3.KI 2665)
Subject: Re: PB100/MIDI works? SOS!!!!
Reply-To: thomas@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:19:10 GMT

What MIDI interface do you use?   Despite all of the claims here on the
Net that MIDI programs didn't work with the PB170 -- until OMS at least
-- a friend of mine has been using Finale with a PB170 without any
troubles, from the very beginning.  (At least so he claims.)   He uses
a fairly old Opcode MIDI interface.  However, when we tried Finale with
my Apple MIDI interface, we couldn't get it to work at all.

One hypothesis:  The Apple MIDI interface draws its power from the
Macintosh port to which it is connected, whereas the OpCode interface
has its own power supply.  So, perhaps Finale works with a PB170 (at
least) only when the MIDI interface does not draw power from the
PowerBook.

Perhaps Nick and Metlay haven't had problems with the PB100 because
they both use a MIDI interface which happens to work well with the
PB100.

There are a lot of variables here:  1) which PowerBook, 2) which MIDI
interface, 3) which MIDI program(s) and version(s).   It doesn't look
like anyone has exhaustively tested all combinations.
 

---
Thomas F. Gordon
GMD, FIT; Artificial Intelligence Research Division
5205 Sankt Augustin 1 / Germany
email: thomas.gordon@gmd.de;  phone: (+49 2241) 14-2665
From: krw1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kevin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:45:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Please folks, let's not be posting copyrighted material here.  Not only is it
a violation of most international copyright laws, but it also puts those of
us who provide public news reading services in a position of potential
liability.
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From: eab@cbnews.cb.att.com (eugene.a.beer)
Subject: 4-tracks
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:26:39 GMT


Does anyone have any experience with the Tascam Portastudio 424 and/or the
Yamaha MT120?  Both machines are 2-speed 4 track cassettes;  the Yamaha seems to
have more flexible routing capabilities but does not have individual
channel EQ's. The Yamaha is $399; the Tascam, $478.  So, does anyone know,
which one sounds better?

			eugene beer eab@cbzoo.att.com 614-860-5668

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