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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG!
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:16:41
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
In-reply-to: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose's message of Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:17:09 GMTLines: 48

In article <1992Oct4.211709.23321@Princeton.EDU>,
	ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:
>When using tcsh command-line editting with lines greater than the
>screen width, the cursor gets "lost" and edits are placed in strange
>places on the line.  This gives me vertigo.  I am using the binary
>compiled on a NeXT.  All our servers have succumbed to this
>brain-teasing binary too.  It is the foul 6.02 binary that is
>lurking on the archives.
>
>Does anyone have any info regarding the maker of this evil binary?
>Can I submit bug reports?  Or am I just experiencing localized
>reality failure? Should I just sit quietly and expect to be ignored?

In article <x2x1H7+7&9@atlantis.psu.edu>,
	barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>I've never had this problem.  I've tried to duplicate your problem
>on a NeXT running 2.0 and tcsh 6.00.  I run tcsh normally on Sun's,
>and have been using 6.02 there and have never had a problem there,
>either.  I suspect a terminal bug.  What terminal are you using?

David is correct.  Christopher, you were an obnoxious :-).  You
should have waited for my reply to your bug report because ... it's
a Stuart2.4 thing.  Simply turn off "Tabs can wraparound" from the
Emulation pane of an Inspector-type panel, and it'll work just
fine.  If you want to fix this for an entire site, read
"Features/Site Preferences" in the online manual.

To reliably invoke the psuedo-bug ("psuedo" because it's a feature
that can be disabled :-), get a line in tcsh that's wider than the
window's width.  Do a Control-E to go to the end of the line, and
then use a couple Meta-b sequences to get back to somewhere in the
first physical line of the long line.  Then, do Control-E again,
and you'll notice that the cursor is positioned wrong, and the
second physical line has been changed.

BTW:  I'd been noting that this was happening, too, but for some
obscure reason it didn't occur to me that it was Stuart at fault.
I don't know why.  It was pretty obvious (to me) once I looked at
the problem.  Previously it had been happening in such a way that
I didn't realize where the problem was (it's not in the editing,
it's in the positioning that happens a couple moves prior to the
editing).

Sheepishly,
--
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>       <A port is a port, of course, of course>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
<You praise me with faint damns, the dragon growled.  -Castle Roogna, Xanth>
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From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: How's Framemaker 3.0 under NeXTstep 3.0?
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:58:02 GMT


Subject line says it. Any problems?

--
Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Pascal Gaudette)
Subject: Re: Localization: HA! <warning: flame>
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:40:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.225910.29396@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron  
Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
> Wow, you mean you have the docs in another language on your machine ?

Before people start wondering: no. NeXT doesn't ship online docs
in any other language than english. I just meant that although DL
has the capability to index texts using other rules than english
ones (ie there aren't many "the"s in french, but there are many
"le"s that shouldn't be indexed), no other rules are actually
provided. Thus I can't properly index my correspondence with
Machin Truc, for example.

--
Pascal "The Rascal" Gaudette       pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca
MacNUG president                      | *NeXTmail encouraged* 
graduate student, McMaster university | Je ne suis pas infaillible.
Physics and astronomy dep.            | Vive le Quebec LIBRE!
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <2128@deadmin.ucsd.edu> bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense)  
writes:
] One thing I would suggest is that you build everything from scratch,
] i.e. follow the directions for building a disk from scratch from the
] CD. Update.app is well done, but the machine was noticably faster
] after I rebuilt the entire filesystem.

Please, where are the "directions for building a disk from scratch" from the  
CD?  I do not see them in either of the enclosed pieces of literature that come  
with the upgrade.

--
Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
University of California, Santa Barbara
Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Noticed potential bug in 3.0's CDPlayer
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:02:55 GMT

Does anyone else have this problem?:  After listening to a few tracks (more  
than 2, try track 3 for example, but this must be done before the last track on  
the disc) by just hitting play upon insertion of a disc, then hitting "track  
forward", the player jumps to track 2 (even though the next track is 4, from my  
example).  If you hit next track you can get back to what was *really* the next  
track (track 4 in my example) but because it didn't go there the first time you  
have to step through the other tracks.

Other than that, it works right (keeping in mind the 3.0 Release Notes).  Not a  
big problem, but it could be a bug.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner)
Subject: Digital Librarian bug in 3.0?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:10:53 GMT

I just got a new color (non-turbo) slab, and was extremely happy to
find all sorts of nifty documentation on-line in the Digital
Librarian.

Unfortunately, I can't use Librarian to read entire documents. I can
bring up individual pages that match a keyword search, but nothing
happens when I click on a book's icon and select "Open file."

Is this a feature or a bug? I know that there was some talk about
problems with the 3.0 Librarian's indexes, but the fact that I can
retrieve individual pages would seem to indicate that my index is in
working order.  Any ideas?

Reuven
(No NeXTmail...yet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Localization: HA! <warning: flame>
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:15:24 GMT

Pascal Gaudette writes
> I'm sorry to say it, but I'm starting to be pretty disappointed 
> by the localization, or rather the lack thereof, in 3.0.

I agree with you.  I think that if I install the 'Swedish' package, I expect to  
get French help pages, a French dictionary, etc.  I basically expect to have a  
computer that (for the NeXT apps at least) operate 100% in French.  3.0's apps  
(non-demo apps like Preferences, the File Viewer, etc.) were advertised as  
being fully localized in the languages supported as well.

> Perhaps NeXT is hoping that some of these holes will be
> filled by third party companies.

To me this is a big problem with NeXT.  Getting apps fully localized is  
essential to being able to sell the systems in non-English-speaking areas.   
It's not as if Germans, for instance, don't need help with the File Viewer, so  
it's completely unnecessary to make help pages in German.

> I'll have to pay extra $$$ just to be
> able to work in my own tongue. 

NeXT's big savings, in not using the same people who translate the Release  
Notes and 3.0 installation instructions into all the different languages, gets  
passed right on to the non-English-speaking user (or the user who would prefer  
to work in another language).  Very slimy work for a corporation that claims to  
work in 7 languages.  I also don't like how the Japanese version of NeXTSTEP  
gets marketed affordably only in Japan.  Why not make it just another language  
to click on in the Preferences panel and/or when you first set up 3.0?  I'd say  
because NeXT/Canon can wrongly sponge more money out of NeXT users that way,  
that's why.  Have you checked the price of the Japanese NeXTSTEP as sold in the  
US?

> At least they're trying, I suppose. But I really had
> hoped it would be much better than this.

Me too.  Isn't there a company who specializes in localizing apps?  I've  
forgotten their name, but they've advertised in NeXTWORLD before, I think.   
Seems like NeXT oughta spend some of the money they've gotten from selling  
NeXTdimension boards and put it to fulfilling their localization promises.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:49:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science
In-reply-to: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu's message of 28 Sep 92 23:32:09 GMT

>>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Scott <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu> writes:

Douglas> Please, where are the "directions for building a disk from
Douglas> scratch" from the CD?  I do not see them in either of the
Douglas> enclosed pieces of literature that come with the upgrade.

They are in the "Release Notes." Basically, it is very simple: If you
boot off the CD (except in single-user mode), you will automatically end
up doing a BuildDisk. It does give you the chance to cancel, in case
that's not what you really want to do.

--
erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG!
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:58:02 GMT

Christopher Penrose writes
> I hate to sound like an obnoxious UNIX geek, but it seems that tcsh users
> are poseurs:

There are some other problems (philosophical and portability) problems with  
most CSH-variants too.  I'd suggest compiling a new shell (perhaps BASH or ZSH  
[a new version that compiles REALLY easily on NeXTSTEP 3.0 due really soon] or  
if you can get your hands on it, KSH).
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell)
Subject: Re:  3.0 Number Crunching Speed - a Reason to Relax
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:21:32 GMT

Matt Dillon writes:

>   Transcendentals were left out of the 040.  Motorola provides the trap
>   code and states that running transcendentals on an 040 through the trap
>   code is *FASTER* then running transcendentals inline on an 030/882
>   combination.

>   Non-transcendentals, the majority of what NeXTSTEP uses, run much, much
>   faster on an 040 then an 030/882 combination.

There was a comparison in NEXTWORLD about a year ago that included a
transcendentals test on a NeXT and a MacIIfx with an 882.

The 030/882 was faster, but clock differences may make the comparison invalid.

It's pretty hard to imagine doing transcendentals faster in assembler than
in microcode, even bad microcode, especially when there's a trap involved.

Steve abell@netcom.com
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From: frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org (Frank Thomas)
Subject: SMail 3.1.28 (with netinfo) is available (was sendmail...)
Keywords: smail,sendmail,mail
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:55:13 GMT

Hello to all guys stressed by `sendmail.cf' 

A few days ago a said that I have enhanced smail3.1.25 to support NetInfo.  
Dan Danz had the same idea. His version mad it to the official release. I  
never got an answer on my message to the authors. Maybe I was to late. Who  
cares. The easy configureable smail is there. 
Many thanks to Monty Solomon <monty@proponent.com> who forwarded a message  
to me which told me where to get latest version via ftp.
If someone should have problems with the EDITME file ask. I can send  
samples that match the NeXT environment.

--From Monty Solomons message--
Server:		uunet, ftp.uu.net
Files:		/networking/mail/smail/smail-3.1.28.tar.Z
		/networking/mail/smail/smail.diff-3.1.26-3.1.27.Z
		/networking/mail/smail/smail.diff-3.1.27-3.1.28.Z
Location:	Falls Curch, Virginia, USA
Contact:	info@uunet.uu.net
Comments:	UUNET has a 900 number, for access at very reasonable cost
		from anywhere in the US.  The cost is 50 cents per minute,
		charged to your phone bill. The phone number is
		1-900-468-7727.  Login is "uucp" with no passwd. All uunet
		modems are Telebit modems, so they support most common US
		modem protocols.

    Canada:	(416) 368 6621
    Contact:	uunet-ca@uunet.uu.net

    India:	+91 842 238007
    Contact:	info%uunet-in@uunet.uu.net

Server:		ftp.msen.com
Files:		~ftp/pub/packages/smail-3.1.28.tar.Z
		~ftp/pub/packages/smail.diff-3.1.26-3.1.27.Z
		~ftp/pub/packages/smail.diff-3.1.27-3.1.28.Z
Location:	Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Contact:	ftp-service@msen.com
-------------

Hope it helps you avoiding some headache!
	Frank
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From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: Re: Mathematica and 3.0
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:25:41 GMT

FYI guys (and gals)

I've installed Mma 2.1 under NS3.0

Runs just fine (thought I haven't really pushed it hard).

Well worth the $50 to upgrade.

Nuf said.

--
Ronald Pomeroy		[Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]];
Advanced Micro Devices	[self dream-on];
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: NeXTstep 3.0 - communicae problems?
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:42:29 GMT

communicae doesn't seem to work under 3.0 - it just dies right after launching.

Anyone having more success with it?

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Subject: Re: Indexing Newsfolders
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:38:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.234432.14489@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
magnus@Fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes:
>Has someone figured out what relevant index.* files one needs to put in  
>the NewsFolders directory to get Librarian to actually index the files,  
>not the .nfold directories, and display the Subject line? Someone posted a  
>solution for 2.x, but I don't think it will work under 3.0.

I can't get Librarian to index any doc.wrapper directories at all.  It stops at  
the directory and won't look inside.  Try indexing WriteNow documents that are  
in document wrapped directories- can't do it unless you change the directory  
name.  Anybody have a fix for this?? 

In /NextLibrary/Services/indexing.service there are some entries in  
service.local for frame, wp, and wn files but they don't seem to work well.

While I am at it- does everyone elses Librarian quit if searching more than a  
few targets?

And, can anyone bring up a Digital Webster definition and get it to print?

__________________________________________________________________
Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re:  3.0 Number Crunching Speed - a Reason to Relax
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Sep 92 11:05:16 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <1992Sep24.070405.15244@udel.edu> pyrros@braindamaged.cis.udel.edu (Christos T. Pyrros) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep22.024416.19581@wam.umd.edu> pflikk@wam.umd.edu (Paul Glen Flikkema) writes:
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the 68881 and 68030 were "combined"
>to make the 68040, certain FPU functions such as trig functions were left
>out.
>
>It was my impression, however, that those calls were trapped by the CPU
>itself and executed in micro code... anyone know for sure?
>
>Chris

    Transcendentals were left out of the 040.  Motorola provides the trap
    code and states that running transcendentals on an 040 through the trap
    code is *FASTER* then running transcendentals inline on an 030/882
    combination.

    Non-transcendentals, the majority of what NeXTSTEP uses, run much, much
    faster on an 040 then an 030/882 combination.

				    -Matt

--

    Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
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    Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: ogeisser@uni-paderborn.de (Oliver Geisser)
Subject: 3.0 mail playing sound bug
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:05:40 GMT


Hello

Do you got 3.0 ?

Try the following:

- Start Mail.app
- Search for a letter with a sound file in it
  (the "Hi, I am Steve Jobs.."-letter is fine)
- double-click on the lips
- press the button that brings the graphics of the sound on the screen
- resize the panel - make it larger

Do you see the confusion in the panel ? I do !

That's all...

   Olli
-- 
|  Oliver Geisser * Steindruefft 11 * W-4791 Altenbeken 3 * Germany  |
|      e-mail: ogeisser@uni-paderborn.de * Phone: 05255/7966         |
|     I prefer ASCII-Mail, but you can also send me NeXT-Mail        |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom)
Subject: Pixel Magician and NS 3.0
Keywords: Pixel Magician Graphics Image Conversion 3.0
Reply-To: eric@bacchus.com
Organization: Bacchus, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:13:46 GMT

Recently, we noticed that under NeXTSTEP 3.0, Pixel Magician's fopen()/fclose()
functions do not use the same buffers as they  did under 2.x,  possibly because
certain system  calls in the shared  library now use more or  less streams than
they  did previously or perhaps  because  fopen()/fclose() have themselves been
changed.  Thus, under 3.0, some code that relied  upon these buffers being used
in a certain order no longer works.

This "bug"  heavily impacts the  reading of DCX files and  will  cause most DCX
files to image improperly under 3.0, if at all.  Clean  files  in other formats
should not be affected,  but marginal or  erroneous files may be affected since
some of the error handling routines depend on the behavior mentioned above.

This dependence on  knowledge of the  exact stream buffers  being used has been
removed (at the cost of a few hundredths of a second in speed).  The patch will
be present in version 1.22, which will be available in mid-October.

There is no known workaround.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Sincerely,
Charles C. Fu
System Administrator
Bacchus, Inc.
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From: pyrros@braindamaged.cis.udel.edu (Christos T. Pyrros)
Subject: Re: WP under 3.0 bugs (was Re: WordPerfect and 3.0 help)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:54:10 GMT

>David Leon writes
>> BTW, I am not the only one who gets this program [WP] to crash at
>> least 3 times daily, am I?

What release *date* of WP are you using?  I do *alot* of complicated
documents with WordPerfect on my machine [still 2.1, alas] with no problems.
I've had it crash about twice in the past six months when having alot
of tiff images on the same page, though.

I'm using the 02/06/92 release; I'm not sure if that's still current though.

My suggestion: CALL WORDPERFECT.  MAIL WORDPERFECT.  They are very responsive
to bug reports, in my opinion, especially when you compare them to NeXT :-).

I even talked to their chief NeXT software engineer about including
WP for Unix along with the next release of WP for NeXT, so you could have
WP in a terminal window.  [If you like this idea, TELL WP!!].

'Nuff mumbling...


Chris
From: marc@dollar.unice.fr (Marc Monticelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Is there NeXT version of Lisp?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:36:20 GMT
Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis
NNTP-Posting-Host: dollar.unice.fr

I'd like to know informations about how obtaining a lisp version for NeXT.  
I mean what kind of products are available (public domain, commercial  
version, prices,...)

Thanks

marc@ecu.unice.fr
From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NewGrazer  append to files?
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: dan@az.stratus.com

Curt Burgess writes
> 
> I've just started using NewsGrazer and want to append files to
> existing news files.  I can't figure out how to do this using
> the grazer.  

Two options (at least):

   1.  Create your own NewsFolders from menu Tools/NewsFolders...
	(hint:  use ALLCAPS when creating them
	so that they stick out like a sore thumb in the Browser view).
	Then, with an article on the main screen, use Tools/NewsFolders,
	select the folder you want to save, and the press the Copy to Folder
	button.  Presto !   And, now you can use NewsGrazer to peruse your
	own folders.  

   2.  There was a thing called News2Mbox floating around on the net.  It
	allows you to drag the document from the NewsGrazer document well
	to its own well, and it filed it in Mailboxes that later could be
	retrieved using Mail.app.   I used it for a while in its beta form,
	but decided to go back to the news folders.

--
L. W. "Dan" Danz         (WA5SKM) VOS Mail:  Dan_Danz@vos.stratus.com
Sr Consulting Software SE         NeXT Mail: dan@az.stratus.com
Customer Assistance Center        Voice Mail/Pager: (602) 852-3107
Telecommunications Division       Customer Service: (800) 828-8513
Stratus Computer, Inc. 4455 E. Camelback #115-A, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: 3.0 mail playing sound bug
Summary: yep!
Keywords: sound player bug
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:47:58 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

>Do you see the confusion in the panel ? I do !
bug city!!
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones Smith)
Subject: CUSTOMIZING NEWSGRAZER
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:51:00 GMT

Hi,
     This is very easy for anyone who has used NG for a while. 
The subject may overstate the case.  But how do I get rid of (or at least
hide) from the newgroup browser all the myriad of groups that I don't wish to  
wade through?  (When I was on a simple unix mainframe account, as soon as I  
unsubscribed from a group, it was gone. Granted that the number of groups that  
I don't want to view is 10000 times more than the ones I do, I'd rather just
see ones I elect to.)

Thanks.