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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Some Stupid Questions for Japanes.
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:21:49 GMT

In article <83703@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
writes:
>As a Korean, I have seen still strong reservation or
>unwillingness to accept Japan as a key player in the international society 
>among Asians who are mostly from the victims of your past imperialism.

This aspersion is groundless.

Japan has already apologized for WWII; further, Japan already
paid S. Korea a multi-billion (in 1993 dollars) dollar compensation
back in the '60s.  Japan has already offered an equal amount of
financial compensation to N. Korea.

Japan offered, but China declined compensation.  Japan has already paid it's
dues in Northeast Asia.

But N. Korea hasn't.

>(1)
>What's the ture reason that Japan failed to convince its former victim 
>countries? Your national pride bounded by your unique culture? or
>you did not want to do that because the key role is very costly. 

This too is groundless.

It is S. Korea that has failed to convince Japan of its good intentions.
S. Korea has banned Japanese language programming (musicals, drama, etc.)
from radio, TV, the theatres, etc.

Further, S. Korea has yet to convince the world, given its authoritarian-like
"democracy" and huge barriers to trade, that it deserves to be recognized as
a team player among the finest nations in the world.  Curtailing
free speech and jacking the price of the Honda Accord to $48,000 does
not make for a team player in the same class as either Japan or the USA.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Some Stupid Questions for Japanes.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:09:25 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov16.205040.19478@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>....... "Japan Times" of 1991.  ....  The report goes on to say that
>Japanese-language programming like movies and dramas are also officially
>banned in S. Korea.

	I don't get this because there was Anzenchidai (don't tell
	me you don't know them) concert in Hotel Silla in Seoul.

	And there is Japanese Language learning programming which
	should be corresponding example of Korean language program
	in Japan.  Now, due to the fact I've seen, I'm suspecting
	the truthness of the article of Japan Times; was there
	any reference of the particular law that I can look for?

	BTW, many Koreans themselves think there is a banning law
	but no one so far can locate where the law is and what the
	exact term is.  Also, I'm one of those who are against any
	kinda ban/censorship.

	Well, I guess I'll call up my friend who makes his living out of
	Korean law and I'll pass the result here since I'm really annoyed
	at this and curious myself.

>We should take Mr. Kim's comments as indicative of most Koreans-cu.
 ^^
	Nope, you (BTW, who are 'We' here?) should take it as indicative
	of ME as I don't take yours as Chinese-?/American-?/Human-?.

	And I took it as bashing Korea since it hurts the image
	of Korea and it is different from the fact I know.
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	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: re: Movie "Rikyu" 
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To: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: University of Washington
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:06:40 GMT

I didn't see the movie, but if this movie takes place during feudal
times, it must have been during Hideyoshi's rule of Japan in the late
16th century.

Toyotomi Hideyoshi (earlier named Hashiba Hideyoshi and Tokichiro^)
was one of three generals who brought an end to the Sengoku Jidai
(warring states period) in Japan by forcibly reunifying the nation
under a strong central government.  During the Sengoku Jidai, regional
feudal lords, called daimyo^, grappled for control and completely
ignored the authority of the nominal military dictator (the Ashikaga
sho^gun).  Of course, nobody paid any attention to the emperor.

Hideyoshi continued the work started by his master, Oda Nobunaga,
after Nobunaga's assasination.  In a few years, Hideyoshi was the
undisputed master of all of Japan.  In 1592, in his old age, Hideyoshi
set his sights on Ming Dynasty China, and sent a rather imperious
letter to Korea notifying them that Korea would be used as a starting
point for a Japanese invasion of China.  Needless to say, the Koreans
were not pleased.  Hideyoshi invaded Korea, and his armies made it as
far north as Pyongyang before being forced to retreat in the wake of a
Korean and Ming counter-attack.  Presently, Hideyoshi withdrew from
Korea although they kept a beachhead on the peninsula.  A few years
later, Hideyoshi once again invaded Korea.  This time, it continued
until Hideyoshi's death in 1598.

After Hideyoshi died, Tokugawa Ieyasu seized absolute power in the
wake of the battle of Sekigahara in 1600 and liquidated Hideyoshi's
young heir a few years later.  One of Ieyasu's first acts was to
completely withdraw from Korea.  Presently, Japan's doors were closed
to the outside world as were Korea's.

Hideyoshi's adventure in Korea had been costly to all involved, and
gained nothing.  Japan lost an amazing number of men and spent a huge
amount of money in a futile invasion.  The Ming Dynasty in China was
weakened to the point that it fell in the wake of a peasant rebellion
that opened the way for the Manchu invaders to seize control.  Korea
was devastasted, and had not fully recovered when the Japanese
returned nearly 300 years later.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Banana Republic (Re: US vs. Japan (was: Try it again - ...)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:08:20 GMT

masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>   I heard that Gap and BR are under the same management. Maybe, the 
>manager knows how to attract Japanese's attention and gain popularity.
>
>   Wouldn't it be a good idea for Ford to export "Escort - Banana Republic 
>Version" with the logo and some nice picture on it? 8-)

Or how about Chrysler's Jeep; it has a more "tropical" image.  Also
they (Chrysler) need more $ or Y.  Lee Iacoca could pay his final tribute
to the automaker by posing in Bermuda shorts, BR T-shirt, and mugiwaraboushi 
(strawhat) and driving the Jeep happily through a tropical country side.
Can't you just picture it? :-)









Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@etorofu.island.COM ()
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Originator: fester@etorofu
Organization: Island Graphics, Marin County, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:38 GMT

n article <SMITTIE.92Nov18141241@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>Frankly, most people with even the most rudimentry intelligence can
>>understand that it might be best to 1) stand still, 2) run away when
>>someone points a gun at them.  The last thing you would expect an innocent
>>person to do in this situation is walk toward an armed man.
>
>This is completely logical for someone who has grown up in a society where guns
>are commonplace. However, it is not necessarily logical to someone, especial a
>young person, who grows up in a society where guns are all but nonexistant.

Well, Japanese TV shows (especially the afternoon 'hard-boiled' detective
shows) quite often show fancy gunplay (detective gets off about 37 rounds
from his .38 detective special, completely missing the culprit who is only about
15 feet away UNTIL the culprit takes a hostage, at which point the detective
shoots the knife out of said culprit's hand at about 75 yards). My guess is 
that the the young man didn't even notice the revolver. Before you ask "How
could he NOT see the gun?", remember how many accidents are caused by people
in autos who "don't see" the other auto, truck, tree, etc, all of which are
assuredly larger than a revolver. Then bear in mind that the driver in my 
example would (should, more properly) be looking for other dangers, but a
guy approaching a house may not be looking for a weapon, particularly if he
is approaching the house with absolutely no bad intent, or even with friendly
intent.

Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Japanese system wanted
Date: 16 Nov 1992 10:56:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

for Mac Classic II w/ system 7.0.  Willing to barter with Japanese books &
various other stuff I've got or if need be just plain ol cash.  I wanna
start reading those fj newsgroups, man.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:06:00 GMT

In article <MS-C.722505867.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>, Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes...
>Michiaki Masuda writes:
>> So, how do you want us to call "gaijin"? We cannot call them "Nippon-jin",
>>can we?
> 
>Answer: how about ``hito'', ``o-kyaku-san'', etc.?

I agree with you that there is a tendency to use the word for foreigner too
often when it is not needed and that to simply use the nationality-neutral
terms would be much more acceptable.

>WHY is it so damn important to have to specifically say that the person is not
>of Japanese race?  Yes, I mean ``Japanese race'' -- I have *never* heard
>``gaijin'' used to describe anyone who looks Japanese.

Sorry, but it is not used solely as a racist term.  It can be used to
distinguish er...non-Japanese Japanese.  I have been called a gaijin as
well (mostly by old ladies).

>[rest of sledgehammer-style post deleted]

Ok, although you may be on a crusade to modify the usage of a word, it
takes time and the underlying xenophobia will still be there.  Perhaps
a new and nasty word will be created! :-\

-- Makoto (a gaijin and a "damn foreigner")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Getting Japanese citizenship (was: finger....)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:09:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.073401.27656@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Japan did do a proper and moral gesture in the context of its culture
>and the rest of East Asian culture.  Any compensation owed the
>women should be obtained from the compensatory grant given to the
>S. Korean gov't.

Second statement is what Japanese government says.  First statement is
fabrication of Dwight Joe.

>If Northeast Asians should miraculously believe that individualism
>and not groupism is the proper conduit of behavior at the time

This is short of knowledgeble statement.  Those with experience dealing
with both Korean and Japanese companies/cultures,etc might know that
what DJoes call groupism does not apply to Korean culture in many aspects.
It seems more like generalization of what one knows of Japan into Korea.  
Seems like too much of reading without first hand experience.  Lack of
cooperation among Koreans is legend even on street talk amongst Koreans,
for what I know.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: please read news.announce.newusers (was Bashing ..)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:15:12 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov15.060649.28976@u.washington.edu> yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
> Many users on s.c.j are prematurely bashing Rikiya just because he is
>brave enough to admit many of his nation's mistakes and because he is
>willing to get to know people from many other nationalities.

	I don't think that is the case; and I would be surprised if there
	are Japanese fellows on the net who don't admit what's done during
	WWII; and I don't think anyone need to come back with that subj.

	Rather, it seems to be the way he attacks people.

	However, what he gets back seems to be too much; I'm not that
	patient to read Mr. Rikiya Asano's article not because of the
	contents but for the size and massive quote; but I think he got more
	than enough -  the bashing threads are being really ugly, aren't they?

	I think bashing on idea should be posted but personal attack
	can go via mail; and I think the major fault of Mr. Rikiya Asano
	was not reading news.announce.newusers.

	Let's read news.announce.newusers.

He who opened the can of worm,
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Subject: NEED HELP! Gaijin houses needed!!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:23:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cibbs.ayNguB3w165w
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

Well I am trying this again...
I am leaving to Japan this December... In fact I arrive the 23rd of 
December and I need to find a Gaijin House right away... I arrive in 
Osaka and It'll be kinda late so I need to find one before I arrive.  
Anyone can give me the address and phone number of Gaijin houses?  I will 
be very grateful!
(If you tried to respond before try this address to e-mail me)
uunorth!cibbs!s-ko  That should get to me...
Thanks for any help!
Sunhan Eren
S-ko

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:21:58 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: More on "gaijin" (was Re: Please give your opinions...)

In article <1992Nov22.152001.1@sscl.uwo.ca> you write:
>> There's another word for this that has nothing to do with language, but a
>> lot to do with imagination. It's called "paranoia." I sometimes think it
>> must be the national disease of Japan. 
>>
>Hey, you can't call us "PARANOIA." That's realy derogatory!(^^)
>
>Natsu Sakimura

Sakimura-san wa KANGAESUGI ja nai n desu ka?
		    ^
		    |
                    Kore de yondara ikaga desu ka?

:-)

Ross-c
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaijin
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:02:57 GMT

In article <7457@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Nov18115018@tui.csulb.edu>, smittie@csulb.edu
>(Smittie) writes:
>
><explanation of fingerprinting and Smitties opinion deleted>
>
>=> Mr. Fester and Mr. Harkcom will probably have something to say about this since
>=> we've had this discussion before and will all ended up on different sides of
>=> the fence then.
>
>Myself? I suppose yet another fence. By itself, the act of fingerprinting is
>not such a bad or degrading thing, but how are they used by the government?
>As the government doesn't require the fingerprinting of its home born
>citizens, then the assumption is that those who are ordered to be
>fingerprinted are somehow more of a menace, or crime prone, or threats
>to national security, and so on. I don't know if there are statistics
>that bear this out. Is this process and the expense, overhead, and
>implicit discrimination really worth the effort? Seems like no.

The Japanese require something rather different of their own people. They
generally register at the local city hall when they move from one address to 
another. At this time, their family registry, etc, is verified. They don't use
fingerprints because a) they never did before, having always used the 
registration procedure and b) see a).

As for what they do with the fingerprints once they have them, THAT is a good
question. Probably nothing, IMO. The same city does not even seem to retain the
records from one visa expiration to the next (at least, Mitaka-shi did not).
Most likely, it's rather pro forma. 

Note that previously, foreigners were required to carry a small ID booklet with
them at all times. People complained about the inconvenience of these things
(about the size of a small 'little black book'). So, the ID was changed to 
a small card (plastic on one side only!). Now, if only they could make the
d*mn thing small enough to fit in a wallet... BTW, the ID card has your
picture and fingerprint on it. They give you a plastic sleeve to cover the 
card, and the seal of the Japanese Immigration Bureau covers the place where
the fingerprint would be.

>(PS - My wife and I are currently gathering "proof" of our life to
>satisfy the INS for removal of conditional status of her permanent
>residency. As someone who is somewhat watchful about privacy issues,
>I think the whole process stinks. But... she doesn't have to be
>fingerprinted a second time.)

We're gathering our proof right now, as well. All we're going to submit is 
the birth certificates of our children. That should hold 'em.

Mike
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Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Let's take a poll (increasing S/N ratio)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:03:58 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. - Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

CHEN JIA TYAN (isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg) wrote:
: > Do you think Asano-kun's posts merit an audience in this group?
: 
: And why not?  I don't think it's fair for anyone to exclude anyone else
: from saying something.  We're not playing communists, are we? 8-) 
: I had ignored a many posts by reading the subject headings and pressing K 
: (instead of kill files), especially the Louisiana ones.  
: You can't choose who to talk, but you sure can choose who to listen to.

Gads, I thought it was obvious, but just to make myself clear....

I was JOKING!!!!!!!

Now back to our regular senseless bashing of Asano and gun owners....

Chris

--
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ritz@ritz.mordor.com                | guess I've seen too much, because I
{backbone}!rutgers!spcvxb!ritz!ritz | don't actually find her provacative
                                    | either.   -Bowie on Madonna-
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaijin
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:32:35 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:

>Discussions on fingerprinting has gone through scj before, but I am still
>a bit mystified by Ms. Morikawa (and other Americans) who think that
>fingerprinting is so horrible.  In fact it seems incredibly hypocritical.

I don't think my country requires fingerprinting of working holiday visa
people. So I can complain without any hypocrisy. It is stupid and 
insulting. The print is so bad it often could be an elbow-print.

And also insulting is the way that you have had to give your fingerprint 
if you sell anything second hand (if you don't have a stamp). What's wrong
with a signature? It serves  little purpose, and is just makes Japan look
like a police state.

-ricko
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Kanemaru's latest stunt
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0f2EP7i00UhWI293RG
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Yes,

     Drop out of politics and go to jail!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaijin
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:36:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.024925.4568@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>But as far as getting Japanese citizenship, the Koreans are not
>being discriminated against.  They should stop whining.  The Japanese
>gov't has not singled them out.

Single minded view has no other way and that's one of contention points.
To use "whining" implies unreasonable demand with no probable cause and
by reading books one easily concludes what Dwight Joe does, and that's
highly offensive.  Let's try again and see whether, for purely on net talk, 
Koreans&descendents have reasonable basis to demand whatever they are
asking for?  Presenting issues broadly as possible is educational to
everybody who reads it.
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: What's REALLY wrong with you guys.
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:48:29 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

I think I've figured out what is the most shameful and despicable aspect
of Japanese culture:  namely, the belief that no public event is complete
without a few hours of speeches.

I've watched Japanese weddings, both real and fictional, on video several
times.  I've never been to one in person (I remind myself of this fact
whenever I'm tempted to believe I have nothing to be thankful for).  No
matter how many times I see it, the shock never wears off.  What a parade
of speakers! Every third cousin and every former roommate has to make a speech
congratulating the happy couple.  Meanwhile a roomful of wedding guests
sits stiffly with eyes glazed over as their beers slowly flatten.

My son's graduation ceremony from Japanese school was not as bad as this
but still several times more tedious than its American counterpart.
We heard speeches from teachers, the assistant principal, the principal,...,
up to and including an official from the Japanese consulate.  All this for
graduation from *kindergarten*.  We saw a similar phenomenon on Field Day.
After seven hours running around and knocking each other down in the hot sun,
someone decided that what these kids really needed was to stand in a
rectangle and listen to three or four speeches.

Comments from Japanese and non-Japanese are requested.  Is there some
secret thrill involved here that I've been missing out on?
-- 
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Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: gior@eecg (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik)
Subject: Re: Train from Osaka to Tokyo
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:39:22 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) writes:

>>So, what I'm wondering is, how easy is it for a minorly fluent (oh
>>heck, I guess I'm smart enough NOT to get myself lost completely)
>>student of the japanese language to get from Osaka airport to Tokyo
>>(via Shinkanzen would be easiest/fastest, I assume). 

>I would say it wouldn't be difficult without any knowledge of
>Japanese as all the signs are in English and Japanese. I'm not sure
>what's the easiest way to get to Shin Osaka (the Shinkansen station)

It takes about 40 minutes from Osaka airport to Shin Osaka station via
JR train (about 530 Yen)

>but you could ride the airport bus to Kyoto and it will let off
>right in front of Kyoto station. 

>>How much money would be involved in return train tickets to Tokyo?
>Something on the order of 25,000 yen, I would say.

I took 'Hikari-Super-Express-Ticket' for Shinkiansen which costs 12,750 Yen
(as of July, 9. 1992) It makes only a few stops and takes about 4 hours from
Osaka to Tokyo. If you take the train making more frequent stops, the fare
would be cheaper.

Good luck!