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From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden is a REAL Idiot.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:51:38 GMT
Organization: Sun
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In article <1993Jan5.153336.17950@sunova.ssc.gov> rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary) writes:
In article <1993Jan4.233630.2247@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, 
marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:
|> In article <C0Couw.GLI@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu
|> > (S. Hariharan ) writes:
|> >I used to like to listen to John "MAD" den before, but not
|> >anymore.  As long as he sticks to the chalk board it is
|> >OK, but it gets irrittating when he goes on rambling endlessly
|> >on some silly and unconnected things like a total idiot.
|> 
|> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I can see that some people
|> could get irritated by Madden's style, but personally I *love* to listen
|> to him. Who would you rather listen to, Dick Vermeil? Or John Robinson?
|> Fortunately, it looks like Robinson is returning to USC, so I'll be
|> spared from having to listen to him in the future.
|> 
|> Anyway, Madden's ramblings about things not connected to the game
|> are a pleasant diversion (IMHO) from the constant over-analysis and
|> speculation that we are subjected by other announcers (in particular
|> Joe Theisman on ESPN). Give me Madden any time.
|> 
|> =============================================================================
|> Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they


My wife and I have a name for the "special" remote button.  It's called the
Madden-mute.  I rest my case.

Thank God the Steelers are shown on NBC most of the time.

I suggest:

Or tape the whole game w/o watching it, or listening to it on the radio; then
rewind the tape, and fast-foward thru commercials and between the time the ball
is downed and it is snapped to start the next play.  You'll save at least an hour
and a half, and if the game gets totally out of hand, you can just fast-foward
to the end.

Rick

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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Eagles finally win one
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:24:46 GMT

In article <1idqofINNomm@aludra.usc.edu> tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>Last Sunday will be one day I will treasure for a long time. Being a fanatic
>Eagles fan and having watched them go down year after year in the playoffs, 
>I almost could not believe what I saw. To actually come back from behind to
>beat the Saints in the Superdome. Wow. I still couldn't believe it. I am 

Might have been more impressive to have beaten a team that had won
at least one playoff game in their history.  Nevertheless, congratulations
Eagles.

>actually more in shock over the Eagles' win than the Bills'.
>
>Anyway, the Eagles showed their "secret weapon" in the Saints game: Heath 
>Sherman. He was totally unstoppable in the second half. 

So, is this "secret weapon" enough to beat Dallas?

>
>I think now that the Eagles finally got this "not being able to win in the
>playoffs" monkey of their backs, they will go all the way. They must have
>gained an incredible amount of confidence with this win, and I'm sure they will
>go into Dallas without any fear at all.

Gee, Dallas, Washington and SF must all be quaking in their boots about
the thoughts of playing the "confident" Eagles. :-)

>
>I just hope I can catch a glimpse of Randall when he comes here to Pasadena...

Why?  Is Randall buying a ticket so he can watch as either Dallas, Washington
or SF is winning ANOTHER SuperBowl? :-)

>
>-Teh Kao


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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: YO for MO
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:21:23 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1ik330INN8kj@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>In article <27000206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> divitt@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Divitt) writes:
>>
>>>Washington Redskins will attempt to trade Wilbur Marshall and Alvin
>>>Walton for Steve Young of San Frisco.
>
>You might think again, how are you going to trade two free agents ?????
>

Sounds like trade 2 free agents for a third free agent. It seems a lot of
people on the net think players are still going to be owned by teams and
not make moves on their own accord. Free agency is going to upset a lot of
teams and thier fans (myself for one).


Tom Wolf
From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Ditka is gone!!!
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:14:35 GMT


It's a sad day for the Bear's and (most of) their fans.
Here's hoping Michael McCaskey didn't make a big mistake.

--
Michael                      
stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:37:52 GMT

Hello, everyone!  Goooood Morning!

This morning ESPN showed footage of Coughlin saying that the Giants offered 
him the job, they asked 2 questions:

1.  Are you ready to Coach the NY Giants?

His reply was a hearty YES!

2. Are you ready to leave BC?

"I thought about it all night, and After I put my Ego aside, the answer was 
no, its right for me and my family, we want to stay in Boston"

NEXT CANDIDATE:  Dave Wanstedt (sp?) (OOOOOOOH PULEEEEEZE GOD)  Quick, 
someone help me think of a sacrifice we can offer to the Football Gods!

ESPN says he is WAY interested!  Keeping my fingers crossed in little 
knots, please, please, please.......  I dont think I can take the suspense 
too much longer.

Adriene (ULTRA PSYCHED G's FAN)  
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Nobody Does it Better
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:37:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

My wife loves Madden, Why? She doesn't know the line backer from the punter
but she can tell this GUY! from THAT GUY and run around here from off - teckle.

I guess she likes the bugger and blood talk too.

For me he's ok, except his all Madden team really sucks.
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Congratulations to Buffalo
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:06:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I think that would be a very good game and it would once and for all answer
the who is the best question, at least until next year.

Q    Bills     Dolphins
1     3          14
2     20         14
3     20         28
4     44         44
OT    47         44
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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: Re: San Fancisco vs the NFC East
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:57:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.220852.22225@ntmtv> Jeff Martin writes:
>
>Part of the reason that the 49er's are atop thier pedestal is that
>they are part of a weaker divison.

Huh?  Last time I checked, the NFC West had the best record in games with
other divisions.  I know that early in the season the NFC East had the best
interdivisional record, prompting much assertion that the East was the
toughest division, but then came that week when they lost 4 of 5 games,
and they haven't been on top since, as far as I know.

Competitiveness within a division can be a sign of both universal
excellence and universal mediocrity.  For example, it could be argued that
if either Dallas, Philadelphia, or Washington were truly good, only one
team from the NFC East would make the playoffs each year.  I'm not saying I
believe that; I'm just saying that people could argue it both ways.  For
another example, if New Orleans and San Fransisco had each lost both of
their games to Atlanta, all three teams (SF 12-4, NO 10-6, Atl 10-6) would
have made the playoffs (this works for the Rams as well).  Ever consider
that Atlanta and the Rams rarely make the playoffs (thus being called
"powder puff" teams) becuase they have to play the 49ers and the Saints
twice each year?  Again, the argument could go both ways. 

Of course, as someone else has said, the true argument will be settled once
the playoffs are over.  May the best team win!

ecw
fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:54:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Distribution:  usa

In article <1993Jan8.172334.24354@ncsu.edu> rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN) writes:
>  I agree One Hundred percent.  I think alot of times Madden
>is trying to have fun and some uptight people take it way to
>seriously.  COmeone people lighten up it's only a game *grin*.

You're asking people who engage in flame wars which extend to private
e-mail and telephone conversations to lighten up over this stuff?!


-- 
Rick Schaut
UUCP:...{uunet | uw-beaver}!microsoft!richs

Microsoft doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for Microsoft.
From: tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:36:32 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <C0GB3L.5A9@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
> Here is a Category-wise list of Team of Frustrations. Corrections
> are welcome from fans of other teams and I will post a revised list.
> 

> Categories below are teams who have never even been to a Super Bowl
> B) HAVE NEVER WON A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
> --------------------------------------------------
> 1) Browns    0-2
> 2) Oilers    0-1
> 3) Lions     0-1

Tampa Bay   0-1 vs Rams '79
Chargers    0-1  vs Bengals '81 or '83
    (They have won AFL Champs, but nothing since SB started)

> 4)Additions are welcome
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> C) HAVE NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 1) Saints     0-3
> 
> D) HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A PLAYOFF GAME
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 1) Tampa Bay  
They have made it several times!
> 2) Sea-Hawks 
  Ditto
> 
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Dallas Blindness (was Re: Dallas *rookies*, a synops*ice*)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:32:01 GMT

In article <1iafioINNgq9@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>
>3) Jimmy Smith (WR) - They didn't need him and thankfully so, he
>spent 90% of the season on IR and has played only in the mopup
>of the Bears.  [...]  GRADE (B)
>
>5) Clayton Holmes (CB) - His coverage skills are still in question.
> [...] GRADE (B)
>
>7) Chad Hennings (DL) - drafted 7 years ago; His defensive line play 
>has been awful, so bad in fact that he was not even in the rotation
>when Dallas lost 2 of its starters to injury in one game.
> [...] GRADE (B-)
>
>
>*ice*

My goodness;  I wish my teachers graded me as easily as *ice* does his
precious Cowboy rookies.  (What would a player have to do to get a C+
or -- God forbid -- lower???)  Is the *ice*man really saying that
every single Dallas rookie player was BETTER than average (e.g. "C")
than the rest of the NFL's rookie class?

Come on Eagles, stuff a football in the Cowpokes self-praising mouth.
... Sideways! ...
I'll give you an A+ for that!  :-)

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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oiler top 10
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:01:07 GMT
Organization: UB

satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>Hi,

>Did anyone catch this on Letterman the other day?  It was something like
>"Top 10 reasons why the Houston Oilers gave up a 35-3 lead and lost the
>game".  Some of the ones I remember were:

>-"I know you didn't see any Dobermans on the field, but dammit there were
>  Doberman's on the field".
>-"Players only gave it 109% instead of giving it 110%"
>-"Hey, you try tackling those guys"
>-"Didn't REALLY want to go Disneyworld"

>Anyone else remember more?

>satish nair

-"They wanted to prove that another Houstonian could blow a big lead in the 
polls" 

The entire list was on the last page of the Buffalo Evening News section A, Friday, Jan. 8th. Anybody else see it there?
--Jim
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Going out for breakfast, boring game!
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:24:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1isl2qINNhu1
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

John Gloria writes:

>YAWN! This Eagles-Dallas game is getting boring.
>I'm hungry and I am going out for some pancakes
>and eggs. I will be back for the Chargers-Dolphins
>game.  Candlestick will be awating Aikman and crew
>next week! :-) :-)  The Niners will also be hungry,
>BURP! Ahhhhhhh! :-)

Gloria, it sounds like you need to go out and find yourself a friend.

GT
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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dave Wannstedt
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN





In article <1iuqkcINNn13@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
->From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->Subject: Dave Wannstedt
->
->I know you Giants fans are happy to go after Dave Wannstedt and I don't
->blame you, BUT you might want a few facts first.
->
->Q: Is Dave a good coach ?
->Yes
->
->Q: Where did the Dallas defensive strategy come from ?
->U of Miami/Jimmy Johnson 
->
->Q: Who picked the players to make these good defenses ?
->Jimmy Johnson drafted them and recruited them in the Pros and
->at U of M
->
->You see, the Dallas defense was designed and drafted and built by JJ
->not Dave, Dave is a good coach and JJ speaks highly of him, but
->you might tone down the Wannstedt is our savior stuff. Jimmy Johnson
->built this Cowboys team, his ideas, his drafting and strategy.
->
->Of course I would like to see Dave stay in Dallas, main reason ? 
->he works very well with JJ. How would he fair in NY, don't know but
->in Dallas he walks freely in to JJones or JJohnsons office and says
->I want or need ____________, and he gets it. Will he have this in
->NY ? I doubt it very seriously. Im sure JJ will go pull out his
->list of assistants from Miami and plug one right into the system,
->I wouldn't expect Dallas' defense to miss a beat.....
->
->Go Cowboys !!!
->tim
->
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Don't forget to give credit to Mike Lynn and the Vikings!!!

go cowboys!!!

                                            Chad


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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ben Dreith
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:08:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <29286@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.160444.12440@osf.org> bsmith@osf.org writes:
> 
> >>...stuff about Dreith blowing Pats/Raiders deleted...
> 
> 
> Certainly i agree with you on the poor game he had then...but how can you
> hate the funniest ref in football.  Everyone surely remembers his famous
> "giving the business down here" call on Marty Lyons.  He always seemed 
> to be yelling at players if they committed a penalty.  I always waited for
> him to say, "that's 15 yards, a first down, and go to your room immediately".
> 
> -dave

     Indeed the funniest in the league.  I can still remember a Steelers vs.
Oilers game in which the following "penalty interpretation" was made to
"clear things up" for the fans:

"The one guy....held the other guy...an' he pulled him down.  That's ten
yards, and that's a first down!"

     Chill out, Ben. :-)

Later.

Kevin Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER! 
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Relatively Few Posts from 9ers/Redskins Fans
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:42:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.222908.4997@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> jangi@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shrirang Jangi) writes:
>I think the reason why 9ers/Skins fans do not raise as much cheap talk as do
>the Eagles/Cowboys fans is because the former fans are at ease with 
>themselves. For 9ers fans, they know that 49ers are a much stronger team (on
>paper at least) and I'm sure they're feeling pretty confident. For Skins fans,
>they know that Redskins might be able to beat the 49ers, but by a fairly long
>shot; if Skins win, great; if they lose, they're expected to anyway. I think
>the Skins fans will be willing to concede to losing to a better team but are
>confident that next season they shall be good again. If winning is highly
>probable (in 49er's case), or losing is acceptable (in Redskins' case), then
>there's really no need for fans to argue.
>
>On the other hand, Eagles/Cowboys fans are insecure, especially Eagles fan, 
>because the matchup is much tighter. As a result, the fans do feel the need to 
>justify their respective teams as a way to calm their nerves.
>
>Anyway, this is just my humble opinion as a neutral observer. 
>
Since there are many anti-niner-whiners out there, any posts by Niner
fans would only solicit strongly ingrained biases/prejudices and
no amount of facts will change their minds. It is pointless. There is
a saying that goes something like "Dogs that bark do not bite". Well,
the Niner "dogs" refrain from barking. Besides, experience should tell
ALL that woofing and claiming this or that has had a way of backfiring.
Yes, within, (at least this NINER FAN) we are confident and faithful
to the Niners. On the other side of the coin, I at least, realize that
the playoffs have a way of equalizing teams. For players who have
never played a big time playoff (intense pressure), at game day,
they get weak knees or choke. This can also happen to veterans who
question their abilities or the opponents superiorty. Anything can
happen in the playoffs (actually any game) and the louder you WOOF,
the harder you could FALL! 

Historically, in war, the ritual of screaming is part of the psych.
There are war cries that preclude the battle and also during the battle.
In hand to hand combat, armies attacking each other, go in screaming.
This instills fear and also instill confidence. Then you have your
"behind the lines" warriors who kill and run, all in silence. This
are considered the elite. They do not brag or shout, but they don't
have to. Well, the Niners are the black/green/red berets of the NFL.
They don't have to scream. They just go in and destroy and leave. :-)
Now I'm sure this will get some responses. It was done only in humor.k

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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: NINERS WIN a THRILLER (IMHO)
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:34:47 GMT

<1993Jan10.000759.20838@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>FINAL SCORE:  Niners 20   Redskins  13
>A game that had eight turnovers, 4 each, but the last TO
>by the SKINS cost them the game IMHO. Great D on both
>sides and credit to the Niners D for coming through!

??  What game were you watching?


Gordon
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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: Woody was fired! (Was: Re: Musburger, another ass)
Summary: sorry, my error
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:53:34 GMT

In article <9JAN199320011877@pierre.mit.edu>, kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.171558.23297@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, 
> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. St writes...
> >     Gary, what do you expect of someone who jumped ship in a perfect
> Although I have not agreed with what my fellow Northwestern alumnus Brent Woody 
> Musburger says often (Yes, his middle name is Woody!), but I think that I 
> should at least set the facts straight. He didn't jump ship at CBS in 1990 to 
> go to ABC, but was instead fired by CBS on April 1st, the afternoon before the 
> NCAA Finals in Men's Basketball where he did play-by-play. In fact, the AP sat 
> on the story for two hours fearing an April Fools' Day prank.

     You're absolutely correct.  You will recall, however, that one of the
main reasons why BM was fired was because he wanted to do it ALL:  from 
football right on down the line to describing Figure Skating routines.

     I'll give BM this -- when he's good, he is good.

Later.

Kevin L. Stamber
Purdue University
Signing off for now

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From: death@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Markus Kalb)
Subject: predictions
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:40:20 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt



		



	     NFC			   AFC

	   Skins	17		Chargers	10
	at 49ers	34	     at Dolphins	20


	   Cardinals	10		Bills		31
	at Cowboys	24	     at Steelers	27

		
		C h a m p i o n s h i p s

	
	   Cowboys	28	    at ? Dolphins	27
	at 49ers	34 OT	    at ? Bills		17
	(Def. TD after Int.)

	
		S u p e r b o w l 

	49ers		:	Dolphins        44 : 27

	
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Draft Stuff
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:13:16 GMT

In article <103583@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>Regarding the upcoming draft: anyone who thinks Gino Toretta is anything
>other than  the second coming of Vinnie Testeverde is in for a big shock.
>
>His 3 INT performance (24 completions from 50 attempts?) in the Miami loss
>to Alabama and his mediocre performance in every big game (vs. Florida St.
>and vs. Syracuse) just serve to emphasize this point.

I NEVER thought anything good about the guy. I always thought of him as
medocre(sp?) at best. He doesn't have a strong arm. All the long passes I have
seen him throw had to be lofted to get any distance. He is not a good QB.

What is the lowest a Hesiman Tropy winner has ever been picked?

Eric


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