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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:58:52 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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I have been following this thread for a while and I am from Mainland,
I think the tone of this post is provocative, that's probably why
netters from Taiwan are so upset. I disagree with him on the approach
and extent of his post. On the other hand, some of the
points(showing off wealth) fits my experiences with some people from
Taiwan, I just sometimes don't understand why they keeping reminding
me how poor we mainlanders live and how rich people in Taiwan are.
I don't think anyone knows better mainland situation better than
a mainlander self and we all have some knowledge about Taiwan.
As you can imagine, this can be a very awkward situation as this
original poster has caused. I am sure he has hurt the feeling of a lot of the 
innecent people from Taiwan. I have a lot of friends from Taiwan who
are very considerate and never does something like this. I think a lot
of this feeling is caused by a few vocal childish netters examplified
by Steven Lin who finds every possible oppertunity to boast Taiwan
and belittle mainland to the mainlander readers. Now Steven, you have
been reminded of your childishness with RAJA's bitter medicine, I hope
you can really grow up.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese (A mug's story)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:18:52 GMT

u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee) writes:

>>>I suggest a label such as 'buy at your own risk' and 'brittle, handle with
>>>care' for MIT products.  How do you think.  But seriously, it's exactly
>>>attitude like yours that indirectly contributes to those low quality MIT
>>>products.  You are dead wrong, Japanese products are good and usually have the
>>>the right price.
>>
>>>Another question I
>>>always have is: why are you Taiwanese people always put on a huge jacket even
>>>on sunny day?
>>
>	I would like to tell a story that happened here in Oklahoma City
>about a mug which was made in China.  One of senators bought a mug and
>one day he poured the hot water into the mug.  The mug was borken after
>the hot water pouring.  He turned the bottom of the mug up and found the
>mug was made in China.  He said 'Of course it would be broken because
>it is made by Chink!'  After this a lot of protests occurred at that time.
             ^^^^^^
The point is that we should kick the pig-skin colored asshole's stinking
ass instead of arguing among each other.

>Chinese Student Association (CSA) made a strong comment to against
>that senator.   CSA is the organization of students from Taiwan.  Well,
>CSSA (China Students and scholars association) made no comment at that
>moment.  The vice president (Dr. Huang, from Taiwan) of Oklahoma City
>University led a group of Taiwanese students to protest at the front of
>Capital.  Finally, the Governor Walter also said the senator should
>apologize for what he said.  The senator did that in The Oklahoma Daily
>(the campus paper).  Fortunately, we have a happy ending here.

>	I am very happy that I can buy a stuff which is made in Taiwan.
>Unfortunately, usually the stuff or product which is MIT is expensive.
>I have confidence about the quality of products made in Taiwan.  Recently
>we have some students from mainland wanted to buy personal computers.
>Among made in South Korea, HongKong and Taiwan, they all agree the
>quality of Taiwan's PC is the best.  They would rather spent more to
>get a PC made in Taiwan.  Is MIT good or bad?  We should leave it
>to the consumers to make their own decisions.

>YJ


Xin Nian Kuai Le. It's always very cool to be a Tang Ren.  Don't let those
wimpy white trashes tell you otherwise.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Who can be the President of ROC?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:42:35 GMT

In article <C1HAuw.AsD.2@cs.cmu.edu> tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) writes:
>
>Being in the U.S. it's not an easy task to know the politicians in
>Taiwan, and to understand their actions. Maybe that's why you are 
>finding difficulties.
>
>Tsen
  
Well, being in the US certainly has some inconvenience in gathering
information but the issue is whether the information is readily
available to most people in Taiwan.  I found at most a candidate
would talk about what he/she wanted but not how he/she would do it.

To be more specific, Zhao Shou Kan wanted to do something about the 
golden cows and a bunch of DPP candidates wanted to create a better 
country.  These are very good ideas and I like them all.  But I will 
have a lot of opinions on what they do to achieve these goals and I 
want to see more specific plans during or before campaign time.

If we demand the candidates to put their agenda up front, the 
cheating or the feeling of being cheated will be reduced and we 
will have a better system.

In the future election of Taiwan governor and Taipei/Kao Shioun
mayors, I would like to see more candidates tell their employers
what they will to do if elected.

In case it is not clear: I am not faulting the candidates for not
being specific.  We the voters have not created the climate for
them yet.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:16:41 GMT


In article <1k1m65INNclj@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, joy@engin.umich.edu (chien chung chen) writes...
>I do really hope you are right about the elimination of fighting.
>But just before long, those Legistators and Assembly Delegates
>fought again even without "old thieves" present. DPP Chairman Hsu
>also said DPP wouldn't give up the "body language" in Parliaments.
>I'm really pessimistic about this situation.

Tnose use a lot of "body language" without very good reason, people will 
notice and that may cost them in the next election. If people forgive them, 
then quality of their voters also in doubt.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:35:41 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.032552.25342@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes...
> 
>In article <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes...
>>In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
>>writes:
>>> 
>>>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>>>                                helplessly associated with people like you)
>> 
>>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>>Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
>>extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.
> 
>I think chauvinistic atttitude is wrong but anti-TI is just his personal
>opinion and it has nothing to do with where he is born and raised. US
>government also expressed the opposition to TI.
> 
>>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.
> 
>If he has naturalized as an Indonesian, certainly he is an Indonesian 
>(nationality) but also is a Chinese Indonesian. It is just like many 
>claim they are Chinese American, Greek American. But if he said he is 
>a Chinese and you said "no, I think you are an Indonesian", certainly 
>he will not be happy. 
> 
>Also remember many Chinese in Indonesia were forced to naturalize and 
>adopt Indonesian names. They also suffered Chinese-exclusive movement
>during the 60s. He might have no choice but if he does not feel proud
>being Indonesian that is certainly understandable. 
> 
>During Japanese Colony era, Taiwanese were forced to adopt Japanese names. 
>Do you think they are not Taiwanese (or Chinese)?
> 
>If "Raja" is a real ethnically Chinese, then he certainly is a Chinese but 
>what kind of Chinese that is another story.

I just realised Mr. Iunn also posted his article on soc.culture.indonesia.
So I want to clarify that if "Raja" is an ethnically Chinese with Indonesia 
nationality he is a Chinese Indonesian.

I wish Chinese Indonesian can get along with native Indonesian and all the 
postings regarding "Raja" will not cause any unpleasant feelings.

I really dont know what Mr. Iunn's *intention* is. Embarrass "Raja" or those
Chinese in Indonesia or ...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cyeh@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (^C. Yeh (Woody))
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Entertainment Tonight (1/18/93)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:01:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.134323.11023@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>Lee Lian Jeh won a tournament or something in China 
>several years ago and became famous after staring a 
>Shiao Lin Temple movie.  Then he went quiet for a long 
>time and now is popular again.  What happened when he
>lay dormant?  Where are the other winners of that thing? 

	I think it was Chuan Guo WuShu Da Sai (National Kung-fu
	competition). His award was the champion of Quan2 Nen2 (in all
	field). It doesn't prove that Lee Lian Jeh is a good fighter,
	because this kind of competition compets only form performance.
	I am not sure about this.

	Chuan Nen includes Quan Shu, Chang Bin, and Duan Bin.
	(Without weapon, long weapon, and short weapon)

	Another one is called Zhao Chang Jun. In PRC, they say '70 nian2
	dai4 Lee3 Lian2 Jeh2, 80 nian2 dai4 Zhao Chang2 Jun1.'
	(Lee's 70's, Zhao's 80's)

	Zhao is the star in the movie Wu3 Dang1

	However, I prefer Ge1 Chun1 Yian4. Lee's long style boxing is
	ok, but his Ba1 Gua4 (8 diagrams) sucks. I wouldn't have known
	it if he hadn't tried to show off in one of his movies :p

	ps: I think Lee Lian Jeh is spelled as Li Lian Jie in pinyin. I
	am not sure about this either. sorry.

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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:17:21 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

>Also remember many Chinese in Indonesia were forced to naturalize and 
>adopt Indonesian names. They also suffered Chinese-exclusive movement
>during the 60s. He might have no choice but if he does not feel proud
>being Indonesian that is certainly understandable. 
Chinese people were/are the target of all kinds of creatures, advanced, 
backward, industrialized, non-industrialized. Simply because we are populous,
every body feel threthened, and like to lay a hand on us. I even read once
over the net a guy who is from a tiny pacific island, which has no relvence to
us, good or bad,  complaining "middle kindom". Another guy from West Asian, who
were decendent of those mogolians that invaded the region and settled down
there, complained they were chased there by Chinese. It is important that we
ourselve are not overpowered by those kind of overwelming "Chinese Guilty"
crap.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hy7919@thor.albany.edu (HONG-HSEE YUAN)
Subject: Re: Macintosh Taiwan OS
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:20:52 GMT

      I also like to know. many thanx in advance!

Hong=Hsee Yuan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:28:28 GMT

In article <C1D9uy.3F7@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>If you have some degree of knowledge of Soclial Psycology, you may agree
>that past experience, especially like the one with the maginitude of the 
>Defeat in Civil War, should have major impact on Taiwan people's
>Psychic. Unless conciatiously controlled, those psychic should influnce
>the hehavior of the society. 

If you have some degree of knowledge of history, you have to know that most
of the people in Taiwan not only did not participate in that civil war, but
weren't the descendants of those who did either.  Why would they feel defeated?

An analogous situation existed during the Eastern Jin Dynasty; I don't think
that Eastern Jin, as weak as it was, were psychologically crushed by the
Western Jin defeats.  Moreover, the indigenous population (the population that
had already migrated to south of the Yangtze during the time of Eastern Wu),
much like the BSR of Taiwan, did not have *any* symptom of having psyches
crushed.

>It is rarly done by other nations. People should read those ads to see for

Canada does it in the United States; we occasionally see ads for Malaysia,
Mexico, and (rarely) European countries as well here in the United States.

>themself wheather it is show-off, or advertiing bussiness environment to lure
>foreign inverstment.

>You underestimated your mainland counterparts. I found Taiwan media
>persistantly belittle and daemonize mainlanders. My firend, the evil do not

The Taiwanese media did a great job covering the achievements of mainland
athletes, I feel, during the past Olympics.

>win,the mighty do; the good do not lose, the weak do. Let's not label the
>other evil, simply becaue they are mighty; let's not label ourselve good
>simply because we are weak. It easier for CCP to forgive and forget the past

Who's doing the labelling?  Think abou it.

>fued becasue CCP won the war, it is harder for Taiwan to forgive and forget
>becasue the defeat. Those are human nature, we should work against them, not
>let them rampant.

The fact is, most of the Taiwanese people don't have to forgive anything,
because they were not defeated.

KMT != Taiwanese != Taiwanese industries.
From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:15:19 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan24.215710.19443@eecs.nwu.edu>, changht@eecs.nwu.edu (Hsin-Ter Chang) writes:
> I read an public letter from Legislator Chu to President Lee on World Journal
> (Jan. 21). It was part of a campaign  calling for the resignation of Lee as the
> chairman of KMT. Since uncle Hau has expressed his interest of taking over 
> secretary of the KMT(or whatever the title is), it makes one think that if this
> is another start of power struggle within the KMT? (Rumor has it that legislator
> Chu has been comrade of ex-premier Lee ??? If this is true, then the timing of 
> this letter is more interesting.)
> No matter what Mr. Chu's motive is, he did have a point. After five years in
> power, Mr. Lee has disappointed me in many aspects. Five years and 4 pirme
> ministers? There's got to be something wrong. Either Mr. Lee is too difficult
> to work for or he is a lousy boss that he just can't find the right guy.
> As unpredictable, that is good for emperor, but it is bad for President. What is
> the big deal if the news media guess right? Strong man era has passed, we don't
> need another strong man Lee.
> After the election, has Mr. Lee shown any sign of responsibility or shame? With
> such a huge defeat, even the sameless Japanese politician will be forced to
> regisne.Instead, Mr. Lee speed up his manipulation as if nothing has happened.
> It seemed that Mr. Sung who resigned after the election will even be promoted! 
> If he has this kind of strong will and this kind of power, then he has no excuse
> but to take the full responsibility of the failure of refinement of Constitution
> How about the book his wife published, that is disgusting.
> I think that we have to watch over what Mr. Lee is going to do now, we cannot
> tolerat what he did simply becaus he is Taiwanese. Taiwan is not going back
> and Mr. Lee certainly can't not be another Strong Man.
> 
> H.T. Chang
> 1-24-93


	Don't forget President Lee was the one who lifted the martial law
and allowed the democratic movement in Taiwan to begin.  He probably knows
that the process of reform is not going to be simple and what he has done
in my opinion is whole lot of political manuvering to appease both the DDP
and the Conservative KMTs. 

	I think he has done a fairly good job so far because of the situation
he is faced with at this moment.  I can't think of anyone else in Taiwanese
politics today who can exert political influence to maintain peace as well
as he does.  At least he did not resort to military power.  I guess this is
sort of a renaissance for the polics in Taiwan.  

	All in all, you have to conceed that President Lee is a pretty
clever politician though.  

- C. H. Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: SSI failure
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:29:14 GMT

In article <C1Iq0M.En7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune) writes:
>
>The failure of Steve Chen's and Wang's companies just goes to
>show how efficient the free market is in pruning out non competitive
>corporations based on yesterday's technologies.

	I don't think the problem is technologies but the abilities 
	of companies to adapt to rapid changes of the market place. 
	Many companies are successful not because of new technologies.
	For example, SUN builds her success by putting together existing
	(if not old) technologies and continuing to refine them.

>The only sad thing I see in this is that it makes me feel like
>that the Chinese mind is great for fine tuning existing ideas
>but still not quite able to create new ideas easily.  Since

	I believe the work done by both Chen and Wang are considered
	to be innovative at the time; they did not just fine tune the
	existing ideas. They may be guilty of being too stubborn with
	their ideas but that is also an important quality in doing
	research. I think their problem is not being able to transform
	themselves from an innovative scientist to an timely enterprizer.

>both Chen and Wang got their Ph.D.'s from USA, could this lack
>of ability to innovate be some sort of a genetic weakness of
>the Chinese people?

	Both Wang and Chen are good examples to counter and not
	support this assumption.
	
Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: suewu@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Susan Wu)
Subject: Re: About the "ROC (Taiwan) Job Information System"
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:52:58 GMT

In article <1jtdl7INN119@aludra.usc.edu> hsiwang@usc.edu (Hsi-Chun Wang) writes:
>I have logged in the "Taiwan Job Information System" one time, and
>found it provides a lot of exciting informations.  However, for
>students not in New York area, they will pay the long distance
>telephone charge for each searching.  I have checked with the Cultural
>Divission of CCNAA in Los Angeles and they will NOT provide the
>similar service in the near future.  Even every Cultural Divission
>Office install the "Taiwan Job Information System", I think most of
>the students still need dail the long distance phone call to get
>the informations.
>
>I am wondering that is it possible for soc.culture.taiwan netters in
>New York areas to login the "Taiwan Job Information System" and
>download the information to the PC and then post in the
>soc.culture.taiwan.  If it can be done, it will save a lot of money
>for overseas Taiwanese students all over the world.  By the way, the
>soc.culture.taiwan will attract much more readers.
>
>The BBS phone number: 212-373-1879 
>For informations and questions: 212-373-1809 Cultural Divission of
>CCNAA in New York.

g'day all.

wow! this is exciting. from down-under, i often wonder how i
go about hunting a software development job in taiwan.

if the job info is accessible from internet, i would be one of 
many that will benefit a lot from it.

any volunteers? please please? :).

cheers, susan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: woman
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:51:46 GMT

In article <6529@balrog.ctron.com> chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang) writes:
>                         HE WORKS and SHE WORKS
>
>HE'S having lunch with the boss:       SHE'S having lunch with the boss:
>He's on his way up.                    They must be having an affair.

But if the boss is female:
He must be sleeping his way up. :)

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:51:26 GMT

In article <1jsdeeINNlgq@fido.asd.sgi.com> jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
>In article <C1A5oM.Dqp@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde
>Shi) writes:
>|> Another ad says Taiwan is the first to make PC
>|> with 32 bits words. Come on! To increase words from 16 bits to 32
>|> bits in PC |> is a grad student's term project.
>
>I think you'd better understand more about the computer industry before
>making a foolish comment like that.  In theory, changing the word size
>of 
>a machine from 16 to 32 bits is nothing more than widening the
>datapaths.
>However, in practice how do you deal with the following complexities:
>
For technical part, it should not be seen as somekind of break-through.
Business part, what is special about it? Not much.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human