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From: jmclaughlin@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Excalibur, LEGION, LotDMite
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:22:07 -0400
Distribution: na
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <APPEL.92Aug28132657@soda.xcf.Berkeley.EDU>, appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
> In article <kzdnmwp.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Seems like a safe bet.  It's a good rule of thumb that when heroes
>>start dying at the rate of one per panel, they aren't *seriously*
>>dead.  (Especially when there's someone around with reality-altering
>>powers.)
> 
> Ah, but we only got _confirmation_ that _one_ certain person was dead.
> The rest were just shot at, etc.  Granted, the shots probably should
> have been fatal, but we didn't see the bodies, so...  The thing that
> struck me as odd was hearing the lady, whatser' name who'd had the
> premonitions, was OK.  That doesn't seem to me the thing to do if
> every one will be resurrected the next issue.
> 
Ah, but Marvel has brought people back from worse demises than the confirmed 
death.  And remember that mutants are more resistant to otherwise deadly shots 
and such.  Seeing the one person shot reminded me strongly of a certain 
character in DCs LSH that got blasted in the head and showed up several issues 
later, doing just fine.
But I do have a question (*SPOILER ALERT*):


























Hopefully, that's enough space.

Wasn't Sat-yr-nin captured by Captain UK and her husband at the end of the 
Captain Britain series that was reprinted as a graphic novel?  How the *HECK* 
did she get loose to go dimension-hopping????  Did I miss something, or should 
I just look forward to the upcoming explanation?
Oh, and Jamie Braddock looks like a dork running around with his head cocked 
like his neck is broken and wearing the little white g-string...
					Judy
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: chess (spoilers)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:46:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.170307.3902@Princeton.EDU>, mfterman@dae.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.161138.27373@Princeton.EDU>, vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) writes:
> 
> Bear in mind that Elrod, Claremont and Necross were all magician
> characters. (that's right, read Elrod's introduction of himself)
> Weisshaupt never evinced any magical powers,

Not in the "alakazam!" sense, no.  But he was an Illusionist, and was
good at playing mind-tricks on people and controlling stuff behind the
scenes.  Besides, he was fond of using new technology for his operations,
like the individual-typeface printing press, or his infamous "magic" cannons.

I think he could be counted as a "magician" as well.
Methinks you may be on to something here...
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Subject: Re: DC is now #3
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 13:07:55 GMT


In a previous article, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) says:

>In article <1992Aug30.031320.17157@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
>>
>>I have heard that Malibu comics now has the second largest comic market share,
>>passing DC.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?
>>
>>Charles GIbbs
>
>This is also what my local store owner has said.  I have no idea if it's true or
>not.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding about this whole topic.  While it
is true that Malibu was able to move up in sales, it was only for a
single month in which they intentionally increased their output of
potentially 'hot' books.  I think you'll find that given their scheduled
books in later months that they won't be able to keep up these kind of
sales numbers...
-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman = Cap Marvel?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:12:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

> Wellllll, Moore's Miracleman being based on Captain Marvel isn't *exactly* 
> true.  What happened is this... in the 1950's, there was a character in 
> British comics called Marvelman.  [...]

Nice article, but you forgot one thing.  Marvelman WAS Captain Marvel.

You see, the British company had a license to publish Captain Marvel
stories, similar to the way modern-day Marvel UK can use X-Men and others
in their stories.  When they lost the license, they just changed the name 
and costume to "Marvelman".  The rest of the story is as in your article.

> DF>Being a big fan of the Big Red Cheese, I'd appreaciate it if 
> DF>someone would email to me a list of what stuff MM has appeared in...

Warning:  Miracle/Marvelman stories (the Moore/Gaiman run, that is) are
VERY different from your typical Captain Marvel story, but they DO make
for damn fine reading.

> As well, there was a three issue series with a name that I can't spell, 
> but it begins with an "A".

"Miracleman:  The Apocrypha".

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James P. Dusek)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:19:25 GMT

dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
>v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
>>getting caught in that trap.  Although I mistakenly bought Spidey #1, X-Force
>>#1, and New X-Men #1, I have learned my lesson and have drawn the line at Team
>>Titans #1 and these Valiant rip-offs. 

	Did ya get 5 of each #1 variant? I know some who did, suckers.

>Yeah, I hear you. The five issue #1 of Team Titans is the last straw for me.
>I've quit reading all DC titles, because I think this is the lowest, cheesiest 

	What hogwash. Marvel has totally pulled these stunts off to the
maxinum, but you didn't drop them? Why drop all DC if the Team/Titans
annoyed you?

>Irritated Ex-DC Fan and Marvel may be next

	James
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Legion Of Net Villains
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:27:23 GMT

Sitting in his cramped office space in a major American University, Acton Lord 
contemplates the destruction of r.a.c.  Indeed, even a tyro such as he 
recognized that devotion to sales kills stories, and absolute devotion to sales
kills irrevocably.  His spies report that the Legion Of Net Heroes was 
reforming, but could even they stop the heinous plans now set into motion?  Or 
was it necessary for those members of the LNV who wanted to rule the world to 
help save it?  And who was the mysterious Fanboy King who was behind the 
mindless hordes that struck fear into the LNH?  Difficult questions.  Difficult
answers.
     Acton Lord
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: You Call That Trivia? (Repost)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:49:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Almost nobody responded to the trivia quiz I posted earlier this week.
Presumably that means that it wasn't a very good quiz.  But just in
case, I'll repost it and see if it flies.  Email responses please.

1. What super power did Supergirl possess that Superboy did not?

2. In what order did the following swamp monsters appear:  Heap, Man Thing,
Sump Thing, Swamp Thing?

3. Name four super-heroines whose origins were retconned to be false or
imposed memories.  (Careful.)

4. What is the source of 'Mazing Man's wealth?

5. Obligatory Legion question:  Name three members of the Legion of
Superheroes who have died two or more times (not counting clones).

6. What was the superhero name of Angel O'Day's stepmother?

7. Who is the oldest Earth-human to ever serve as the herald of 
Galactus.  (Careful.)

8. Who won WWI in Stinz's universe?

9. Why was Deadman originally assassinated?

10. Were women allowed to join the Watchmen?  (Careful.)

No part credit, seeing as I've identified the trick question.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"One of my favorite games when I was a kid was 'murder/suicide.'
 Dad would show us a photo and ask us, "Is it a murder or a suicide?"
	  --  Colleen Doran




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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&D)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:56:15 GMT

Well, I just finished reading all of the Cerebus phonebooks today (started 
Saturday night), and jauntily went to the comic shop to pick up as many M&D as 
I could find.  Sadly, the only shop that carries Cerebus is run by jerks who 
cut their order of it to about half the demand so that they'd be guaranteed 
sell-out and also have more room for Image books to sit around forever.  Hence,
although I got the last copy of #11, I got no back issues, and will probably 
not see #1-10 until the TPB is released.  I was amazed at how completely Sim 
managed to confuse me, given that I've only missed 10 issues out of 150. So 
until I can borrow, buy or steal #1-10, could someone out there please 
summarize them for me via email?
     I'm especially curious about:
          The evil Watcher (who is he, and is he the one Cerebus met?)
          The "other" elf
          Who the chess-playing aardvark purports to be
          What Roach is calling himself now (Punisheroach?)
          Who the large glowing nude is
          Why the sequence is called "Mothers and Daughters"
Thanks much,
     Dave Van Domelen, "damn, I really liked Bran Mac Mufin"
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: A REAL Sandman question
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:02:48 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Dave Rakowski (rakowski@hazelrah.cs.colorado.edu) writes:

>Why do all the Endless have names that start with a 'D'?
>(Destiny, Desire, Death, Dream, Destruction, Despair)

Because Marvel has a lock on all the good "X" names.

(Wasp.  Guardian.  Crystal.  Spider-Woman.  Spurned by their husbands [in one
way or another: Heather's had the gall to go and *die* on her!], they band
together to form Marvel's first all-woman super-team, to fight for truth,
justice, and more child support.  They are...X-Wives!  [Hmm.  Anyone know who
the editor of What The--? is?])

------------------------------
                             |     I was the only one to hear Art and Val.
Jim Drew                     |     "You've been getting tested regularly?"
jrd@frame.com                | asked Art.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I promised you, didn't I?" said Val. 
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "And...?"
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Don't *worry,* Art.  I'm negative."
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "Are you sure?"
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "Positive."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "For Art's Sake"


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From: megazone@starbird.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Subject: Re: Marsume Sirow
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:40:21 GMT

In article <Bu0JtK.6It@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
>    AS a big fan of Marsume Shirow(appleseed, Dominion,Black Magic) I
>was thrilled when I saw something about a book of his work
>coming out in the month of August. Well....August is over,
>has anyone seen this? It was priced in the 30-40$ range so it wasn't
>a regular comic.

Masume Shirow's Intron Dept is do out from Dark Horse. It is a collection of
his artwork. I believe the price is $39.95. It's a hardcover book.

There has been a lot of discussion on this on rec.arts.manga.

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From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What do these people do ..... ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:47:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <9223905.4775@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:
>
>Would a kind soul out there in netland kindly enlighten me as to 
>what the following terms mean? One can immediately recognize 
>these as the team on a comic....
>
>	1) Writer

Okay.  The writer is the person who plots the story and writes the script. 
Sometimes you will see "Plotted by.../Dialog by..." in which case that means
one person plotted the story (i.e., determined what was going to happen) and
a second person wrote the actual lines the characters speak (the dialog).

>
>	2) Penciller

This person does the initial artwork for the issue.  The art is done in two
parts: pencils and inks.  So the penciller is the person who does the art in
pencils.

>
>	3) Inker

The inker does the rest of the art.  S/he goes over what the penciller has
drawn with ink and does touch ups and/or revisions.  I find that the inker's
style is more readily seen that the penciller's.  An issue of -Grendel- might
be pencilled by Matt Wagner and inked by Berni Wrightson, in which case I
find that you can see Wagner's art, but it certainly doesn't look the same
as when he does -both- pencils and inks (and vice versa, too).

>
>	4) Letterer

The letterer is the person who puts the actual words that you read on the page.
S/he designs the balloon shapes and sizes and their location as well.  I'm not
sure if s/he does sound effects, however.  I think that's handled more by
the artists.  Some letterers use different styles for different characters.
For example, in -Sandman,- Todd Klein always uses white-on-black for Morpheus'
speech/commentary, a fancier one for Desire, and a different fancy one for
other magical denizens (a la The Realm).  This is usually intended to mean
a different tone or voice or presentation of speech.  I think the letterer 
also decides where to put emphasis (e.g., We MUST go to the STORE!  I am 
COMPLETELY out of MILK.).

>
>	5) Colorist
>
The colorist, as you may well imagine, colors the book.  How they do so, on
the other hand, depends on the person.  Tom Luth, for instance (Usagi Yojimbo
occasionally), uses watercolors, and Daniel Vozzo (Sandman, et al.) uses a
computer-aided coloring scheme that I'm not too familiar with.  Sometimes
you will see in the credits, "Art by..." and that's it.  If it's a color
comic, that means the same person did the pencils, inks, and colors.  Pretty
impressive, I think.

Well, I hope that answers your questions.

h.

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From: wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:29:03 GMT

The miracle babies do not have different powers.  They are all flying, force-
field-wielding, telekinetically-super-strong types.  They are PRETENDING to be
different, because it is more fun.  They may actually have minor differences
(only Winter can teleport, and one other has a squizzy aura, whatever that
means), but the black miracle kid is being sarcastic.  Note the comment about
staying in character.


-- 
William ("Shakespeare") Gulstad          /  So where are the C.S. babes?
wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                /  Joni Mitchell for President!
I vote, so I can complain!               /  Did you vote?  Then don't complain!
Republican is the opposite of democracy! /  Tune in, drop out, log on.
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Miracleman = Cap Marvel?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:54:30 GMT

maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:

>WARRIOR was great.  In addition to Marvelman, it also serialized V FOR 
>VENDETTA, THE SPIRAL PATH, LASER ERASER AND PRESSBUTTON, and FATHER 
>SHANDOR, DEMON STALKER.  All but Father Shandor have since been at
>least partially reprinted by American comic companies.

I'm pretty sure that Father Shandor dir get some (albeit small) American
printing, in some of the Eclipse one-shot (or small mini-series) horror
books.  I also saw Father Shandor in some issues of A1, but that might
have been new material.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"I think; therefore I am confused."
		-- Blake Williams
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From: jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:19:48 GMT

In article <Bu0JzF.83r@world.std.com> nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine) writes:
>FYI.  I picked up _Jaka's Story_ and _Melmoth_ from my local comic book
>store last week, so these should be available already in most cities.  I
>payed $20 for each.       

To clarify: Dave Sim has had the "Comic Shop Boxes" of Cerebus available
for a wee while. With these, any store owner who shelled out the
slightly discounted bucks could get any and all of the phone books.

However: it is only recently (as in, since March?) that the phone books
have been available through *distributors*, thus enabling comic-store
owners to get them at *distributor* rates.

The owner of the only store within reasonable distance (Comic Relief in
Evanston, IL) of where I live did not order any of the Comic Shop Boxes.
*grumble* But, by December, all of the phone books will be out anyway.
And I can get my 10% discount. Happy happy joy joy.

So if your owner is sweet and kind and generous (and if so, is he willing
to buy out Comic Relief?) he probably ordered the Box direct from Dave so
as to provide you, the little people, with the Cerebus you coveted so
very very much.

By the way, I've moved the topic to rac.misc, because rac will be
disappearing before too long anyhow; I should get used to posting here.

--
Jeff Williamson               ** E-mail: blackmagik@nwu.edu 
ACNS/Northwestern University  **  
(seeking a permanent home)    ** ACME: 50 Years of Creative Mayhem 
Evanston, Illinois            **   
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From: jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: UBC Pulmonary Research Lab., St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:23:22 GMT

In article <BtKG8E.Jtq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
>v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
>
>>I am pretty disgusted by the multiple issues gimmick, and I vehemently avoid
>>getting caught in that trap.  Although I mistakenly bought Spidey #1, X-Force
>>#1, and New X-Men #1, I have learned my lesson and have drawn the line at Team
>>Titans #1 and these Valiant rip-offs. 
>
>Yeah, I hear you. The five issue #1 of Team Titans is the last straw for me.
>I've quit reading all DC titles, because I think this is the lowest, cheesiest 
>marketing strategy yet. I'm sure Marvel will come up with a bigger one soon,
>but I quit reading most of their titles a while ago. I hate the Infinity
>War and the Ghost Rider crossovers and the Annuals that are all crossovers.
>Give the fan a break guys. We are getting pretty pissed off out here in  
>reader land.
>
>Irritated Ex-DC Fan and Marvel may be next
>
>Axly
>
>


I don't know why you are mad about Team Titans.  They came out with a new comic
that had they same price as all other comics for that quality of printing
(ie paper/cover etc...).  The only difference was instead or marketing the
first five #1 issues as 1-5 to introduce the 5 different characters you
got them all as #1s.  As an added bonus a second story was thrown in absolutely
free(this being the combined story).  It just happens that this free story was
in all issues.

I think it was a pretty good marketing plan, people could buy the character
they were most interested in or all characters.  For all those people who
bought only 1 copy of number 1, if the issue numbering was 1-5 as I said 
earlier, you probably would have bought issues 2-5 and read all the individual
stories and wouldn't have minded.
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Doll Man question
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:13:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.vanyel.715623217
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

I'm posting on behalf of a non-Net friend of mine (as well as for my own
info):

Does anyone have any knowledge of DC's copyright status regarding Doll Man?
Since there's a movie called "Doll Man" out at the video stores, my friend
and I aren't sure whether this means DC's lost its copyright.

Any info you have would be appreciated.

--

 _______________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ "Are you afraid I'm jeopardizing my secret identity, Ned?  I don't     \/
     *have* one, remember?"  --The Black Condor, _Black Condor_ #5
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From: louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g)
Subject: Re: What is the story with paperback masterworks?
Summary: Who knows?
Keywords: Softcover Masterworks
Reply-To: louzon@aplcen (Louzon ronald g)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:44:51 GMT

In article <BtJqBz.7JE@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
>Does anybody know what MArvle's plans are for more volumes of the paperback
>Marvel Masterworks?  They printed one, which was the first eight (I think)
>issues of Spidey, but that was a few months ago, and I've been waiting
>anxiously for more.  Does anybody know if there will be more coming, or was
>that just a one shot?
>
>						-- John Schutkeker
>						-- Cultosaurus Comicus

I haven't heard of any more paperback volumes appearing in the future
but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.  I gave up a long time ago
trying to figure out what Marvel was going to do.  If they do decide
to continue the paperbacks you may wish to keep this in mind.

I think the paperback Spider-man Masterworks had AMAZNG FANTASY 15 and
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 1-5 for $14.95 or $15.95.  The hardcover has the
above plus issues 6-10 of AMAZING as well for $34.95.  Therefore, if
another paperback were to appear it would cost you $30 to $32 for two
paperback books when you could get a nice hardback for only $5 more.
For me there is no contest.  I would rather have a hardcover any day.