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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Reds/Yanks Trade
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:43:56 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

the A guy is NOT a top level prospect.  unless he's a REAL late bloomer.

- bob gaj
From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves protected list
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:09:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <10424@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> jwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Jeff Wilson) writes:
[...]

>That's right. They protected BOTH Sanders and Nixon, AND Hunter (ugggh).
>They're gonna lose either Pete Smith, Kent Mercker, or David Nied in the first
>round, then they'll protect the other two, and hopefully they'll protect Keith
>Mitchell as well. 

ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!  This had better not be true.  What kind of idiot would
protect Nixon and Hunter and leave Nied and Smith vulnerable?  For that 
matter, what kind of idiot would protect Nixon?  He's an old player with
few skills and isn't cheap -- do they seriously think Miami or Denver would
take him in the first round?  Or at all?

I hope this reflects the opinions of the Constitution-Journal more than it
does Scheurholz.
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:32853 sci.math:14932
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Subject: Re: Two instances of Simpson's "paradox"
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:24:19 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Leonard J. Nissim writes:
>In this long, bleak off-season, Richard J. Friedlander has noted two 
>instances of Simpson's "paradox".  (It is not really a paradox, just an
>anti-intuitive truth:  Player A can beat Player B in batting average for
>each of two years, while B has the higher batting average for the two 
>years combined.

This can even happen in a season when comparing splits.  If I remember
correctly, when Tim Raines won the batting title Steve Sax outhit him
on grass and on turf, but had a lower overall batting average.  (Anyone
with an Elias or an Abstract handy want to confirm this?)

Bob Davis
From: doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Greatest moments in baseball history
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:42:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


To keep the winter going I'm going to post a new thread for discussion.
(In a similar vein to "Favorite Players of my Youth" and "Most unbreakable
records)  Here is my short list of greatest moments in baseball history
(use whatever interprestation you want)

April 15, 1947 - Jackie Robinson starts at first base for the Brooklyn
Dodgers.  He is the first black man to appear in a major league baseball
game since 1884.

Oct 8, 1956 - Don Larsen pitches a perfect game in the fifth game of the WS
against the Brooklyn Dodgers.  The only perfect game in WS history.

Oct 13, 1960 - Bill Mazeroski hits a homerun in the bootom of the ninth to
give the Pirates the win in the seventh game and in the WS.  The only time
a series has ended on a homerun (?).  The Pirates were outscored in the series
55-25!

July 17, 1941 - Joe DiMaggio goes 0-3 against the Cleveland Indians, 
ending his hitting streak at 56 games.  This record although probably not
unbreakable, is one of the holiest in all of baseball, due in part to the
man and to the time it was broken, the summer before WWII.

This list is FAR from comprehensive and certainly could be revised (I'm
coming up with these off the top of my head, kinda :-)  Anyway what does 
anybody else want to add.  By the way here are two personal favorites

1987, 1991 Twins are World Champs!!!!

-David Oliver (doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu)
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From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Subject: Re: Villanueva
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:07:03 GMT

Jason Lee (jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu) wrote:
: In article <9211092348.AA18487@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
: >For those of you who haven't heard...
: >
: >The Chicago Cubs released catcher Hector Villaneuva today!!!
: ...
: >Any word on anyone trying to sign him?  (Hmmm, Hector in Denver, miiiighty 
: >iiiinteresting.... :-)
: >
: >Rob
: 
: Now batting for Rockies, catcher, Hector Villanueva!

I agree.  Unfortunately for me, I assume this means he will not be taken in the
expansion draft, meaning I have to make up a new ballot for the contest the
local paper is sponsoring - who will be the Rockies' first three picks?

--
Amendment 2 - Shame On You, Colorado
--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
against a particular minority
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Subject: Re: Rockies 1992 schedule out
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.224229.15313@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
>Yes, the 1992 tentative Colorado Rockies schedule is HERE. I'm planning to 
>type it in for future reference on here. 
>
>Would anyone like me to post it?

I know the Cubs are there for the July 4th weekend.  The Rockies anticipate
breaking the NL attendance record this season.

This is the first expansion I've known (I started watching baseball sort of
in 1977, in earnest in 1978, for sure when I got my Strat-O-Matic in 1980); it
feels weird to say "The Cubs are visiting Colorado the weekend of July 4."

In other scheduling news, the Miami Marlins' home opener is on the first
night of Pesach, causing great consternation amongst the (significant)
Jewish community there...

-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:45:58 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division

The first one I remember is:

	Lou Brock.

Sort of on the same subject: there was a Cardinal pitching phenom(?)
that I couldn't get enough of in the early 70's.  I think he played
maybe a year and a half then got his leg hurt sliding into home 
plate and I never heard of him again.  The name has stayed with me
because it was so unique - Scipio Spinks.  Does anyone know what
happened to this guy?  Was he as good as my 7th and 8th grade memories
make him out to be?

Thanks for any replies,

Dick Detweiler : rdetweil@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mkaverha@cs.ruu.nl (Micha Verhagen)
Subject: Re: Dutch Players
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:45:07 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science


From: Micha Verhagen <mkaverha@cs.ruu.nl>
Message-Id: <199211060937.AA13874@praxis.cs.ruu.nl>
To: bun@ruitor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain
Subject: Re: Dutch Players
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball you write:

>Does anyone know how Robert Eenhoorn did in the minor league this year ?
>Last year he played in the Yankee organization in Class A. I think he played
>in Peoria, but I'm not sure.
>What are his chances to make it to the major league ? By the way he's a
>short stop. Who are in front of him at short stop in the Yankee organization ?
>If you have any information on him or other Dutch players please post it or
>email me.
>Thank you very much,
>
>Leon Bun

I have some baseball weekly's I bought in the states when I was there
last month. All minor leages statistics are in there. Robert is playing
double A now. He batted about 0.249 or something like that (I'll look it
up for you) In the states they say he is well protected in order not
to rush him. There is another guy in the minors (I forgot his name), he
used to play for H.C.A.W., he is a single A pitcher for the Dodgers now.
I seem to remember he had an O.K. season, but I'm not sure I'll look 
it up for you. I think his name is Groot, but I could very well be wrong.
As soon as I find my baseball weekly's I'll send you more on the subject.

GO MARLINS          Micha Verhagen
		    mkaverha@cs.ruu.nl


ps. If you want more post or email me you correct address 'course
    I can seem to reply on your request on usenet.
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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Re: Jays' player changes and 1993
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 02:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.003929.16336@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>>>Griffen is also a free agent, didn't you know?  I doubt that the Jays will
>>>resign him.  Now, Manuel Lee was, and I quote, the best shortstop in
>>>the American League this season.  Why would you give up on him?  The guy is
>>>only 27 years old and just learned to play his game as good as anybody.
>
>>Who are you quoting?  I don't think Lee was close to being the best shortstop
>>in the American League this season.  
>
>he is probably quoting the sycophantic toronto television media who have
>been feeding us this crock all summer.  These are the same people (and I
>am thinking of Buck Martinez in particular) who told us that Carney Lansford
>was the finest fielding 3rd baseman in the league and that Devon White's
>"production" has compensated for White's .300 obp.  Buck also told us that
>an obp of .300 wasn't far below the league average for leadoff men.

Come'on, who will take Bucky Martinez and Jim Hugeson seriously?  As a
matter of fact, who will take TSN seriously?  That sports station sucks.

Anyways, I was quoting JOE MORGAN on ESPN.  Good enough?  Good!
End of story.
-- 
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       |  ()  |   If it's there and you can't see it     - it's transparent
       |______|   If it's not there and you can't see it - you erased it!
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:11:16 GMT

In article <1582.2afe38cb@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>In article <92312.155110RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>> i did not forget jamie quirk.  year by year slugging averages for
>> the quirkster:
>> 
>>     1975  .333  <>  4.000
>>     1976  .325  <>  4.000
>
>    {data deleted}
>
>>     1989  .235  <>  4.000
>>     1990  .413  <>  4.000
>
>
> This discussion of Jamie Quirk reminds me of another little tidbit.
>
> According to my Franklin, the Quirkster had at least 1 ML AB every year 
> from '75 to '91.  When you consider that he has (as of '91) 2089 total 
> AB's, he has averaged less that 125 AB's/year for 17 years.  That's a lot
> of bench time or minor league time, or both.
>
> Anybody else (non-pitchers, of course) hang on for 15+ years while averaging
> less than 120 AB's.
>
> P.S. The Franklin doesn't keep PA or BB totals.... :-(
>
> Mark Pede

i don't know for sure but i would bet there are some, considering
that there are/were a number of pinch-hitting specialists in the
NL late in their careers 
(rusty staub comes to mind, but i don't know his career stats).

also, there are probably several other players with enough talent
that no-one would want to give up on them, but not enough results
to get into the game that much. other utility players.

interesting concept.

--
"some charles guy"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thornley@micro.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:26:46 GMT

Non-pitcher:  Harmon Killebrew
Pitcher:      Camilio Pascual

For the usual reasons:  on my favorite team, very good players, fun names.

David Thornley
"Nostalgia - there's no future in it."


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From: mcclure@ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:21:00 GMT

Clay D.'s list includes some (not so great) moments in Dodger history. Let
me add the Joe Morgan double in game 162 of 1982 that gave the Giants the win
over the Dodgers and gave the Braves the NL West for the first time since 1969.

Clay also mentioned the 1966 WS, the first one that I have any real memory of.
Wasn't one of the Orioles shutouts saved by a Paul Blair catch over the 13
foot centerfield wall? My memory may be suspect but I recall that game being a
1-0 win with an Os homerun. Who hit that HR? Who was the Dodger who Blair
robbed? And didn't Willie Davis grab a potential Os HR over the same wall? I
do remember some outstanding pitching and defense in that series.
From: jwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Jeff Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Braves protected list
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:11:47 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA


From the Atlanta Constitution this A.M., the Braves protected list (from an
anonymous source close to the club, I believe)

Pitchers:

Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
Steve Avery
Mike Stanton
Mark Wohlers

OF:

David Justice 
Ron Gant
Deion Sanders
Otis Nixon
Melvin Nieves

IF:
Ryan Klesko
Jeff Blauser
Terry Pendleton
Brian Hunter

C:

Javier Lopez

That's right. They protected BOTH Sanders and Nixon, AND Hunter (ugggh).
They're gonna lose either Pete Smith, Kent Mercker, or David Nied in the first
round, then they'll protect the other two, and hopefully they'll protect Keith
Mitchell as well. 
-- 
jwilson@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff Wilson)
"Turkey Fact Number 12: Turkeys are filled with enough L-Tryptophan to knock
you on your sorry Thanksgiving ass." Tom Servo, MST3K
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 12 Nov 1992 03:22:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) says:

>How about:
>Highest Lifetime ERA: Infinity (Several People)
>Bill
>
     What's the highest actual ERA without going into infinity, though?
I read somewhere that the Baseball Encyclopedia listed one guy whose career
spanned 1/3 inning, and he gave up 5 runs, for a total of 135.00!!
     Spoilers ahead - hope control-L works for me:

     If you think that's bad, I've come up with a Star Trek parody with a
baseball theme in which the character Q (a godlike creature with the powers
that go along with such) grants the Klingon officer's son's wish to pitch
to every Hall-of-Famer.  It being the year 2370 or so, he pitches to almost
1,000 guys while recording 2 outs, for an ERA of over 10,000.00!!  Truly
"where noone has gone before."
     I'll be posting the parody here, as well as rec.arts.startrek.misc,
in mid-December, when all the expansion, etc. talk has died down.  It'll
be funny.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
   "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
thyself*." Luke 10:27           : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: jays' player changes
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:15:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.171515.29078@sni.ca> dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>
>Hey, Lou Gorman:  what about Sprague, Wells, and Stottlemyre for Frank
>Viola?  We'll even toss in Mark Eichhorn!  Operators are standing by to
>accept your call!

Keep Mark Eichhorn, and I accept.  Stottlemyre isn't *totally*
hopeless, and I like Sprague.  I don't think the Sox have much use for
Viola next year (unless anybody is willing to go out on a limb and
predict contention?), and how many more years will he be effective?

Unload that salary, Lou!  Please?

-Valentine
From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Ripken wins Gold Glove!!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:32:25 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


  The Baltimore Sun reports this morning that Cal Ripken won his second
consecutive Gold Glove, and will have a press conference today to announce.
It is the 50th Gold Glove in franchise history, high in the American League.
The Sun reports that Brady Anderson and Mike Deveaureux did not win a gold
Glove (a travesty in my opinion, at least one  of them should have this season)
Kevin
From: Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: texas rangers
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:59:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a6@newshost.dartmouth.edu


has anybody heard anything about possible trades/free-agent signings. 
i think they definitely need help with their starting rotation.  greg
maddux perhaps?  any comments?
***shawn.burgess@dartmouth.edu***
Texas Rangers in 93!
(or 94 or 95 or 96, etc.)
My opinions in no way represent the views of Dartmouth College.
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From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Subject: Re: It's So Simple!!!
Keywords: Read my lips -  : -)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.225538.16502@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.181709.15579@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman) writes:
>>There's such an elegant solution to the San Francisco/Tampa Bay
>>struggle, I'm surprised nobody's come up with it:  :-) :-) :-)
>>
>>1)  The Giants stay in San Francisco.
>>2)  The Cubs move to St. Petersburg.
>>
>>Everybody's happy.  Look what this accomplishes:
>>
>>     1) San Francisco has a baseball team.
>>     2) Tampa Bay has a baseball team.
>>     3) Chicago has a baseball team.
>>     4) The Tribune Company now has some justification for keeping their
>>        club in the NL East.
>>     etc.
>
>Or, how about the Giants just move to St. Petersburg
>	1) Tampa Bay has a baseball team
>	2) Chicago has a baseball team
>	3) San Francisco has a baseball team 
>		They're called the A's
>
>--Les

You couldn't be more wrong Les. The A's are an Oakland team. The Giants
are a San Francisco team. If the Yankees up and moved, do you think their
fans would say "Oh well, we still have the Mets". What about the Dodgers/
Angels or Cubs/White Sox. I'm a GIANTS fan and have been since I saw my
1st game at Seals Stadium in 1958. I'm certain that, if the Giants had
moved, I would have eventually began following the A's simply because
I wouldn't be able to stay away from baseball. The point is: You can't
simply cut 34 years of allegiance out of a persons life and expect that
person to say "Oh well, we still have the A's. Even the moronic owners 
know that you shouldn't move teams.

luigi
--
Randy Palermo   luigi@csd.sgi.com    Fax: (415)961-6502
Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
"Play an accordion, go to jail. That's the LAW"
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: NL Stats, 1992 --- Typos?
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.234953.18647@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson) writes:
>Glancing at the NL stats for 1992, I saw a few figures so far out of line 
>that I have to wonder if they are typos. 
>
>Did Lankford really strike out 147 times? No one else in the NL is close. 
>
>Did Bonds really walk 127 times? No one else in the NL broke 100. 
>
>Did Offerman really make 42 errors? No one else in *either* league is close.
>

Yet another reason errors are stupid:

Let's put it this way. He was *charged* with 42 errors. I doubt
he committed them all--I can recall at least one of his
"errors" was on a throw to first which should have been caught.
This was late in the season, when his reputation as "Mr. Error"
had been firmly established.  I doubt any other shortstop 
would have been charged on that throw ...

Ken B. 


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From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Subject: Re: Rangers 15-man protected list
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:10:41 GMT

From article <1992Nov10.163408.28422@esd.dl.nec.com>, by west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West):
> Since there appears to be a few Ranger fans out there, I thought I
> would post this:
> 
> Published in the Dallas Morning News today is the Expansion Draft
> protected list.  In no particular order, the 15 Rangers protected are:
> 
> 	Julio Franco
> 	David Hulse
> 
> Notable (for the Rangers anyway) players left off are:
> 
> 	Hector Fajardo
> 	Jeff Huson
> 

First off, for those who have asked if the list I posted is the actual
list, probably not.  It is the list that the Dallas Morning News put
together based on their "insider" information.  (Though they did portray
it as the "real thing".)

And for what it is worth, there are now reports that Franco and Hulse
are not on the protected list and that Fajardo and Huson are.

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
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