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> From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
> 
> I've been reading a few flytying books and all of them mention barbless
> hooks.  None of them actually mention buying barbless hooks but talking
> about mashing the barbs.  Most of these books list Mustad and Tiemco 
> part numbers for hooks but I don't recall ever seeing part numbers for
> barbless hooks.  Do they exist?
> 

I tie with barbless hooks. I bought boxes of 100 Mustad hooks from 
Cabela's a few years ago. If I recall correctly, the part number ends
in a 5 for a barbless hook instead of a 0. (Check the order # listing)
At least for dryfly hooks this is true.......

A hook which has never had a barb is much easier to set and release than
one with the thickening of material that exists where the barb goes, oven
when the barb is  mashed down. 

Barbless hooks are also easier to release from your own skin!

Ron Miller
From: sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Shimano Reels
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:09:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug12.170918.3215
Distribution: na
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu

I have a quick question.  I have been looking for a new reel and what I have
found to suit my needs is a a reel from the Shimano FX series.  However, I
have also noticed that Shimano has an AX series that looks very similar, and
runs for a few dollars more.  Naturally I found this at a discount store so
you know that the "sales"people are going to be _very_ knowledgeable. |>
So my question is, what is the difference between the FX and the AX?  The
packaging is not very descriptive, the only thing I can see that is different
is that the AX package says that it has "Steel Ball Bearing design" or
something like that, and the FX doesn't.  Is this the only difference, and/or
is the AX worth the few dollars more?


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. . . And several butcher's aprons.
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: re : rod cases
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:51:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92Aug19.162338.10988@acs.ucalgary.ca> powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:

>I had the biggest Plane rod case as well and it didn't survive
>the first trip. I think I'll stick with the white PVC. I can't
>imagine an Orvis aluminum tube standing up to a Winnibago being
>driven over it (which one guy said he did to test his
>newly-constructed PVC rod case).
>
>Jim
That was me, it was only a toyota land cruiser (but a 72, which
is a real tank;-))

The pvc is bulletproof all right, though I used the black stuff
(abs) in 5" diameter.

Charles
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: pike@fishing.Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Pike - Sun Customer Service)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: New Fly Fishing Club in Central Massachusetts
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:18:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: fishing.east.sun.com


Jim,
I am also interested in finding more about the Fly fishing
Club. I sent follow up mail to your posting but recieved
a mailer deamon (sorry for this wide of a reply). Thanks.

Steve
From: kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Bream (bluegill) eating
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:18:41 GMT
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC


     If you are throwing back the bluegill you are missing just about
the best freshwater eating fish you can catch.  Only walleye come close
in my book.  My wife would be terribly upset with me if I caught a 
mess of bluegill and threw them back.  By the way . . . In Iowa they
were bluegill.  In Minnesota they were sunfish, or more commonly
"sunnies".  Here in North Carolina they are bream (pronounced "brim"
here).  Whatever they are called, they are good eating.

     I fillet everything because I hate bones.  You can just as easily
gut them and scale them.  I like the classic pan fried fish.  Just roll
in a 1/2 and 1/2 mixture of flour and cornmeal and fry in butter with
salt and pepper.  I also like to deep fat fry the little buggers.  Make
a batter using egg, flour, cornmeal, and milk about the consistency of
pancake mix.  Roll 'em in it and toss 'em in.  I usually cook onion
rings at the same time using the extra batter.  MMMMMMM!

     I have to get some braggin' in while I'm typing all these posts.
If any of you Raleigh area fishermen go down to Lake Wheeler you can
find my picture on the braggin' board holding a 7# bass I caught in the
rain on Saturday.  I caught another 7 pounder two weeks ago, so this
has been a pretty good summer for me.  I turned both of the fish loose
again since I already have one on the wall.  It seems like I'm catching fewer
fish this year, but on average they are bigger.  How are the rest of you
bass fishermen doing???
From: patvh@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Pat Van Hoomissen)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Colorado Fishing All Tied up in Nylon!
Keywords: free advice
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:36:40 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Aug14.145153.27814@ncsu.edu> plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>
>I think that it is a law that bait shop owner and marina managers 
>must tell you that fishing is fantastic.  It is also a law that 
>dedicated anglers will attempt to misdirect you.  If I do my homework 
>and discover the magic combination for the day/week/etc, I would not 
>insult someone else by denying them the chance to figure it out 
>for themselves (the true joy of fishing!)!!

Spoken like a true fisherman. All this talk of spending money was making me
ill. 

"early to bed early to rise fish like hell and make up lies"
From: hughesl@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Larry Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Wanted:  Source of cane poles
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:47:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

The subject says it all.  My dad, a once avid cane pole fisherman (see
alt.south.culture) would like to find a couple of good solid cane poles
these days.  If you know of a source, or have a couple in your garage
that you would part with, please let me know.


_   /|                 larry e. hughes
\`0_o'' Oop,           hughesl@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
 -( )=  Ack!           hughesl@orthanc.cor1.epa.gov
   U                   CI$: 70012,2213
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Tipping your guide
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:12:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <Bsw2Ez.Ay3@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
>
>	Maybe I've missed something, but if I am paying the guide/captain
>	directly (as opposed to going through a resort) to do his best
>	why should I pay him again/extra? 

Worse yet, I'll try to haggle him down on the fee!

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (David Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Colorado Fishing All Tied up in Nylon!
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:29:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

Dave Fleck writes:

>    If you find yourself up by the springs give Bryan Call, Brian Dixon, or
>    I a buzz and we can show you some good spots.  We go every weekend.
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>    Dave

Not for long, Mr. Father to Be. :)

David 'heading to fishing country' Bingham
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Landing fish
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:42:57 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug11.053144.29777@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
|In article <92Aug11.001017.29913@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
|>I had an absolutely heartbreaking experience yesterday. I want
|>very much to avoid ever going through it again.
|>
|> [much deleted about catching a lunker]
|>
|>
|>I measured him in the water...23" long. Then, I grasped him
|>gently (struggled some, but tired), and tried to clip the 
|>triple barb from his lip, and he jerked and was gone, with the
|>spoon still visible.

Just an idea, but I've found that locking hemostats work good for grabbing
the hook of a fish that you want to release.  Just reach down and grab the
hook and the hemostat will stay locked on the hook until you pull it out.
A little twist and the fish is free.  Just dont let go of the hemostats.

|Well, about the only thing to suggest is to keep a light net with
|you even if you don't expect to catch the big ones.

In the San Lorenzo River in Santa Cruz County the regulations of steelhead
fishing the river are quite strange and include *no nets*.  It's actually
for good reason.  Fish can get trapped in some small pools and can be
netted.  For the same reason regulations specify that fish must take the
"bait" in the mouth.  In other words, don't take out your 6" broken back 
rebel and try to snag it.

|Chances are he'll live though.  He might have that lure
|hanging on indefinately, but as long as he can swim and open/close
|his mouth reasonably well, he'll probably just live with the slight
|handicap.

I was fishing a local reservoir a few years ago and was back in a shallow
cove and saw a ~6lb. largemouth that had a brown rooster tail stuck in it's
side.  He was very spooky and wouldn't hit anything I through at it (never
did try a brown roostertail, hmmm).  As I was coming out of the cove we 
passed another boat and the guys asked us how we were doing.  I told him
we had a couple but saw nice one in the back part of the cove.  "Did it
have a brown rooster tail in it's side?", he asked.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: jcook@brazil.cs.colorado.edu (Jonathan Cook)
Subject: Trout, life, & the universe
Organization: Universtiy of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:54:13 GMT

Ok, so I just moved out to Boulder, CO from Cleveland, OH to 
start my phd, and I just couldn't let the summer end w/out
trying some trout fishing out here. So, I got me some nymphs
and some dries that the local shop recommended, bought a 1 day
license, and went up to the Big Thompson just below Estes Park.

Now, we don't have much trout fishing back home (unless you 
consider lake-run steelhead), and the extent of my fly-fishing
experience is panfish and the occasional bass, but I managed
pretty good and had a *great* time - caught 8 or so trout up
to about 11" -- I was delighted to be actually flyfishing a 
stream and hooking things other than rocks ;-)

BUT, I do have some questions.

1) I caught fish mostly on nymphs, but only because I had such
   a hard time hooking the strikes on dries. Is the tendency for
   a novice to react too quickly or too slowly? It seemed to me
   I was reacting too slowly, but I know from other fishing (like
   top water bass), that the tendency is actually to be too fast.

2) Please, Please, PLEASE tell me how you are able to watch these
   tiny dry flies and not lose sight of them. I could only keep
   track them in very calm areas, or on very short casts.  This
   wasn't an issue w/ nymphs becaused I used a cheater (BTW, is 
   this general or do good fisherman just watch the fly line?)

All in all, it was a great time, and now I can hit the books 
feeling like my summer was complete. Once I actually *learn*
to flyfish, things can only get better.

Jon.
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?
Keywords: cheese bait hook
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:36:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <Bt5JEC.HGz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) writes:
>
>Does anyone have experience using cheese as bait?  I suppose I could
>try treble hooks, but they are more expensive, and harder to remove
>esp. if you want the fish to survive.  
>
I used to fish velvetta for (stocked) trout. I would wet the cheese a little,
form a ball and leave it in the sun for a few minutes. IT gets a little crust
on it which i think helps it stay on longer. BUT mostly you need to cast
gently, reel slowly and plan to re-bait often

>Speaking of fish survival, I live on a small lake (a little over
>a mile in circumfrence) and the local home owners association rules
>say to kill all bluegill caught.  This seems awfully cruel to do
>to all the little ones.  Does anyone know why this is common in 
>pond management?

Stunted sunfish are a real problem in many ponds. Management ranges from
tossing the stunted fish into the woods to stocking tiger muskies (my personal
favorite).. It's not uncommon to eliminate stunted fish by feeding the
surrounding earth.. If you toss the fish far enough away, it's doesn't seem
as cruel..
From: starkey@cs.montana.edu (Denbigh Starkey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Cooking The Catch--Rocky Mountain Whitefish
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:07:49 GMT
Organization: CS

In article <92Aug14.014415.25760@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>Every year I catch 3-4 nicesized whitefish whilst fishing for
>Browns on the Bow river. I always let them go, because I have
>no idea how to cook them.
>
>Charles
>-- 

I use the following recipe, reprinted without permission.  This thread caused
me to go to the freezer and pull some out to cook tonight.  I usually keep
most of the whitefish that I catch, and make up about 30 lbs of the stuff
at a time.  These are great tasting fish (not squaw fish as a later poster
suggested, which are trash), and should be treated with the respect due to 
one of our native fish (comment for Steve W., who strangles each one he
catches - maybe he will become less violent now he's finished his MS).
A minor technique for these fish:  Scale them in the river when you kill
them - they seem to come off very easily then, and it avoids scaling up the
kitchen.

********************************Recipe follows - cut here********************

From Great British Cooking - A Well Kept Secret
     Jane Garmey
     Random House

1 lb cooked whitefish (I microwave, as the skin falls off)
2 cups cooked mashed potatoes
1 raw egg
1 hard boiled egg chopped into small pieces
1/4 teaspoon lemon juice
1/4 teaspoon tarragon vinegar
1 tablespoon chopped parsley
salt
black pepper
flour
4 tablespoons stale breadcrumbs

Flake the fish and remove any bones.  Combine in a mixing bowl with
the mashed potato and raw egg.  When well mixed, add the hard boiled egg,
lemon juice, vinegar and parsley.  Season well with salt and pepper.

The mixture should now be rather sticky, and should be shaped into little
round cakes.  To do this, dip your fingers in flour.  Roll each cake in
breadcrumbs, cover and refrigerate for at least 2 hours.

When ready to serve, fry each fishcake in a little hot oil (or if you prefer,
deep fry them).  They should be both golden and crisp on the outside.  Serve
immediately.

Denbigh S.
starkey@cs.montana.edu, starkey@mtsunix1.bitnet
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)
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From: dmf@westie.unl.edu (Dale Finkelson)
Subject: Fishing in the Boundary Waters
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:06:07 GMT

Hi,
 A friend and I are going to the Boundary Waters in
 late September. I was wondering if there are any
 suggestions for tackle to pack along as well as 
 techniques.

 My friend is mainly interested in catching some
 Northern Pike as he has never hooked one before. I
 would like to pick up a pike or two also but also
 would like to catch a few smallmouth bass.

 Thanks,

Dale Finkelson
dmf@westie.mid.net

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From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow)
Subject: Re: Pike, technique and cooking
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:47:17 GMT

Most Northern Pike fishermen I know swear by the MEPPS 3 AGLIA as the
best lure with a bright squirel tail.

These are definately my favorite fish to go for.  I'd sure love to
check out a place with lots of 10-15 pounders!

Removing the Y bones is actually a lot simpler than people make out, but
it does take a bit of practice to get the feel for it.  Simply score the 
meat just above and below the bumps of the y bones after you've removed
the fillet, and then turn the knife to that it is parallel with the
fillet and run it along the bones to remove a thin slice of meat containing	all the y-bones.  You have to go both above and below them to free them
from the fillet.  A cross section of a fillet might look something like
this:
                                 bumps
                                  |
                                 \/

                 |        bone->  \_____   \
    belly side   |__________________________\ <-dorsal edge of fillet
                     skin or scale side of fillet

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From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: re : rod cases
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:23:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

>nothing@nowhere (Nothing) writes:

>You can find high-quality aluminum rod cases at a high-quality
>fishing store, such as Orvis, or a custom rod shop.  They will
>run you from $20-$50 and are fully water-resistant and very
>attractive.  If you have a very nice rod it may be worth your
>while to invest in such a case.

>bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:

>For those who're too lazy to build their own, I've found the
>biggest Plano tube (with carrying handle) to be just fine. It
>also telescopes to fit any larger rods that you may buy later.
>It's survived two trips to Alaska, one trip to New Zealand, one
>trip to British Columbia, and one trip to Nova
>Scotia/Newfoundland without a problem. Maybe I'm just lucky :-)

I had the biggest Plane rod case as well and it didn't survive
the first trip. I think I'll stick with the white PVC. I can't
imagine an Orvis aluminum tube standing up to a Winnibago being
driven over it (which one guy said he did to test his
newly-constructed PVC rod case).

Jim
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Not so hungry fish
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:54:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Bt9303.D96@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) writes:
|In article <1992Aug19.134946.9988@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, behrooz@cps.msu.edu () writes:
|> 
|> Hi all,
|>   Last weekend I went to White Lake area (North of Muskegan in Michigan)
|>   The channel connecting the White Lake to Lake Michigan was full of
|>   fish. We could see fish as big as 3 feet in the channel and in shallow
|>   waters on the beach.  But it seemed they were not hungry at all, We
|>   tried all kinds of bait, (live and plastic) with no luck.  We could
|>   even have the bait touch the fish, but the fish would turn back and go
|>   the other way.  There were other people on the channel as well, trying
|>   to fish with little luck.  We tried fishing from 9am till 3:30 with
|>   absolutely no luck.
|>   Now the question for all you experienced anglers:  What do you think
|>   was wrong?  Was it the season? time of day? the baits? maybe I
|>   should've gone swiming instead.
|> 
|> yours,
|>   Roozbeh
|
|     Two things spring to mind.
|1] I think the fish feed more earlier in the morning or later at night
|and;

Not always necessarily so.  It really depends on the species.

|2] Do you smoke? I've heard a lot about the fact that fish can "smell"
|cigarette smoke and other such things on the bait after one has handled
|the bait.  Best to dip your hand in the water before putting anything
|on the line.

Not to discount the premise that fish can smell cigarrette smoke but I
think you're reaching here.  There are too many other factors that should
be considered first.

1.  Identify the species of fish.  My first reaction was that these might
be carp or some kind of sucker fish.   Typically these kinds of fish don't
react to artificial lures.  If they are carp, some kind of doughbait or 
corn should work.  As a disclaimer I don't consider myself an expert when
it comes to carp.

2.  Since you can see the fish, are they actively feeding?  If they seem to
be on the prowel try to identify what they are feeding on and duplicate it.

3.  The time might not be right.  Spent steelhead or salmon can be knocked
on the head and they'll just turn, give you a dirty look and swim away.

4.  Try dynamite.


-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
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From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Subject: Fishing in N. California
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:07:40 GMT


My parents are coming over from the UK next week and with my wife we'll be
taking an RV around (10 days with my parents in a 27' biscuit tin Argggh!).
Our route will be East from the Bay to Toualamne(sp?), carry on to Mono
head north via Tahoe and Quincy to Lassen, work our way west via Shasta
to the coast and then down the coast road back to the Bay. As 'Liz and I
will need to escape as often as possible to keep sane, can those of you
in the know recommend good places to cast a line (we don't mind taking detours
though it might be a problem explaining the Canadian border post to my
folks) in these environs. In fact general info. on N. Calif. as a whole
would be nice as we're still new here and clueless as to where to go
and techniques to use.

Thanks for your Time

Tony Mossop, Geophysics, Stanford
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