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From: kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: skate street hockey
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:48:38 GMT
Reply-To: kcreta@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, ASIC in the Desert
Originator: kcreta@sedona


In article <38786@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> 
> Rockering skates makes the feel more like figures skates or conventional
> rollers skates.  Someone used to these skates will probably like the
> rockered feel.  Un-rockered, they are more stable and perhaps less
> maneuverable.  Some Hockey players go one way and some go the other.
> 

Sorry, George, I don't see it this way.  I think rockering skates is more like
hockey skates as figure skates are flat (last time I ice skated anyway) and
I thought that hockey blades are curved.  I also can't see how rockering skates
will approximate the feel of conventional skates as they are also flat.  Maybe
you're referring to the smaller base of conventional skates but I really don't
think that rockered skates feel the same.

I tried rockering my skates and found them VERY difficult to control.  My 
advice is to do as I did... try it both ways.  But to give it a chance, if 
you're used to one way, it may take a while to get used to the other.

						Ken
From: cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Rear entry inlines
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Tried on a pair of Ultra-Wheels Zephyr rear-entry skates yesterday.
Very comfortable, but loose through the instep with no way to adjust.
Rear-entry ski-boots have come and gone two or three times...
Anybody know of good rear entry skates (pardon if you think the
Zephyrs are; I don't) on the market -- it is a good theory, what
about the practice??

Post funny stuff about "rear-entry" to another appropriate newsgroup.
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From: matocha@engr.latech.edu (Kevin Matocha)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skates are faster than bikes! (was: AST
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:15:29 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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> The thing I've heard about the close-quarters downhills is that the rearmost
> person pushes on the person in front of him, who pushes on the person in front
> of him, who pushes [...]. The person at the front of the line can literally
> have hundreds of pounds of pressure on his hips adding to his acceleration
> going down the hill. 

This is the old idea that a cannonball falls faster than the feather.  
The line of skaters should only be able to gain greater acceleration through
the minimization of air drag.  Another way, as often practiced in roller
derby, is to transfer the momentum from one skater to another, an impossible 
feat if they are all in a line holding each other by the hips.

I hope this clears a few things up.

Regards,
Kevin
From: aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: skate street hockey
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:13:57 GMT
Reply-To: aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet


In a previous article, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) says:

>> Also,  Do most inline skaters rocker their skates?  any advice on rockering?
>
>My advice:  Don't do it.  Turning ability will be affected only slightly. 
>Speed and stability, unfortunately, will be affected considerably.

Hmm...in my experience, turning ability & turning traction are affected
considerably. I agree that speed and stability suffer a corresponding loss,
though (and consequently have kept my skates flat for quite some time).

I haven't played street hockey, of course, but the principles should apply to
speed and stunt skating.

-- 
Marc Sira                    |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca       |  "Your god drinks...p-p-peach nectar!"
aa382@freenet.carleton.ca    '
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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: figure skate judging
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:08:18 GMT

------------

> The Nationals is not just another competition.  It is a declaration that
> "You are the best in your country for all of 1992".  The judges attempt
> to award the title to the best skater, not just the skater with the best
> performance that day.  I'm not saying this is fair, but that's how it
> is.

I was at Nationals in Denver in 1988.  The Men's competition
went well past midnight, and most of the top skaters were
noticeably fatigued (Boitano and Bowman, in particular).
Wylie got a lot of support from the crowd and skated the
most inspired performance of the night, and clearly should have
won the long.  He didn't.

With Boitano expected to be our best shot at Olympic
gold, the judges really HAD to give him the title!  How would it 
look for our top man to not even win his own Nationals?  What 
really fueled this controversy was that Boitano got a 6.0 after
falling out of and putting his hand down on a jump, as well as
a couple other slight bobbles.  The 6.0 caused quite a stir
with the crowd, it even drew some boos.  It seemed clear to me
that he was just being set up as positively as possible for
his battle with Orser...

Cam Kaszas


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From: danny@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (daniel.moran)
Subject: Where to Skate (NYC Metro)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:41:04 GMT


Hi,

I just received a pair of Coolblades for my big "Three Oh".  I live in
Brooklyn and was wondering where were the best places to blade in NYC.
I read the where to skate postings but, they did not include New York.
Also, I work in Piscataway, NJ, so where to skate suggestion for there
would be welcome as well.

Please respond by email and I will post a summary.

Thanks,

 Danny


-- 

Dan Moran              AT&T Piscataway NJ, USA
danny@cbnewsg.att.com   (908)-457-1751
From: jaya@eng.umd.edu (Jayanti S. Kanal)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: (Figure) Skaters who have changed the sport
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:47:06 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
NNTP-Posting-Host: newra.src.umd.edu

In article <93Jan18.124922pst.11828@alpha.xerox.com> Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com writes:
>	"does anyone remember skater & crazy man Allen Schramm"
>
>That would be Norbert Schramm, of (then) West Germany in the early 80's.  He
I rememer Norbert Schramm, and he too was a crazy man - maybe it's in the
name! Allen Schramm wasn't as big a competitor - I am not sure that he made
it far into the international circut, but he was known on th east coast of the 
us, and was in a few nationals, i believe. 
-jaya
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:14:19 GMT

About the discussion of artificially high marks ...

The Nationals is not just another competition.  It is a declaration that
"You are the best in your country for all of 1992".  The judges attempt
to award the title to the best skater, not just the skater with the best
performance that day.  I'm not saying this is fair, but that's how it
is.

Another reason is, barring extenuating circumstances, the skaters who
finish at the top at the Nationals are those who the USFSA will sent to
the Worlds.  When a previously unknown skater far outshines an
established skater, the question is whether he/ she is a better skater,
or if he/she just did better today.  This skater will also have to
compete at the world championships, representing your country.  Judges
are hesitant to reward the new skater with the championship because this
will detract from the established skater's credibility in the world.
And regardless of performance, it is VERY difficult for a new skater to
obtain good (championship) marks at the world level.

Thirdly, as many posters have mentioned here, the program consists of
much more than just jumps.  Some things just can't be seen on TV,
including speed of the skater and how much ice the program covers.
These things really demonstrate the maturity of the skater.

Maybe a solution here is to do something like skiing does - many
competitions with points being awarded for each finishing place,  and
the National champ is the skater with the most total points ???  I just
thought of this - what do you think?

Diane
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
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From: jeff@maggot.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Who's who of net.figure.skaters
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:48:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In <jkaplenk.727632257@lucpul.it.luc.edu> jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

>>	"Anyone else care to 'fess up as to their skating background?"

Not really, but inspiration just struck--

>I started pond skating as a child at a local park district pond in 
>upstate NY (Middletown) and loved it. I did just hockey type skating and

Which one?  I learned to skate at Fancher-Davage (spelling?) Park
in Middletown, and played pickup hockey there from when I was four until
I left to go to college (1965-1977).  When the pond wasn't in good shape, we'd
go to Maple Hill Rink (?)  I still remember trying to dig pucks out of
snowbanks.

When I went to college (at RPI) in upstate New York, I found out 
that serious hockey wasn't really for me, since I weighed only 
150 and wore glasses. (three pairs later...)  In the intramural 
leagues, either folks could not skate at all or were interested 
in pro contracts.  There didn't seem to be any middle ground and 
I was tired of getting crunched by someone 75 pounds heavier 
than I was :(  So, I gave up skating for about ten years, until 
I moved to Southern California!

Turned out that I live walking distance from a tiny (but nice) rink
in Pasadena.  I was attending a function at the convention center 
(next door) and had a few hours between sessions, so I rented skates 
and went to a (deserted) public session.  It took about an hour to 
remember how to skate and how much fun it was and so signed up
for group lessons on the spot, having never tried figure skates
before.  (Note to rink owners: put up signs--I'd never heard of 
skating lessons!)  I tried figure skating in my old hockey skates
for awhile, but finally gave up and went to figure skates full-time.

After trying freestyle for awhile (never quite got that loop jump,
but I can still do a waltz jump "right" once in a (long) while,) I
found out about Ice Dancing in a real rink in Burbank.  I've been
doing it ever since.  I can do the Fourteenstep OK and the other
presilvers are coming along.  
				--Jeff
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From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Subject: Re: Skates are faster than bikes! (was: ASTM Roller ...)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:57:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ahill@boi.hp.com
Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave
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George Robbins (grr@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan20.104713.8152@cc.gatech.edu> uwe@cc.gatech.edu (BROCKMANN,UWE) writes:
> > Skaters can draft each other more closely than cyclists. They can touch
> > each other and form a "train" when going downhills. This allows them to
> > go faster than cyclists.
> 
> Bicylists do this in race situations.
> 
Huh?  I've done a lot of drafting in bike races, but I don't remember ever
hanging onto the guy ahead of me (I'd need arms down to my feet).  I believe
the point is that drafting skaters can more closely approximate the ideal
of a single person taking the wind, and everyone else in the slipstream
(there's a lot more more garbage hanging off a bike, and, since they're
quite a bit longer than a crouched skater, they don't pack as tightly).
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mackey@stsci.edu
Subject: rec.skate.bio
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:44:18 GMT

A humble bio from a 35 year old teenage mutant computer chick: 

I used to roller skate when I was young, and although I really favored 
it, never seemed to progress beyond the back patio...oh yeah, that was 
because I wasn't allowed out of my backyard until I was 17!  I 
never learned to ice skate, probably for a similar reason...  

In 1984 at 27 I hooked up with a frenchman who took me out west and 
deposited me halfway up a blue trail at Snowmass.  That was how I 
learned to ski, never had a lesson until this very month, when I took 
a boondoggle course at UMBC (HI MARY!!) PHED 140 Skiing, four January 
Mondays at Ski Liberty in Pennsylvania for 1.5 credits.  I have to admit 
however, to having been spoiled skiing A-Basin and Vail and such.  The 
east coast was, lacking I'll say.

So what this has to do with my skating bio is this:  I really learned 
to ice skate at the huge lake at Keystone CO.  I'd skated at ice 
rinks a few times since I turned 17 (bye bye), but when I went skiing 
I always went ice skating and many times it was at this lake.

Now, that's not much, an aggressive intermediate skier and aoccasional 
ice skater.  However, may I direct your attention to the left of my 
190cm K2 UVS Ladies' Performance skis... 

I bought my Rollerblade O-riginal Lightning 608 Saturns in Okracoke 
Island, NC on the fourth of July in 1988 (I think) for $149 and 
they're still in _great_ shape (I do try).  I bought my son a pair of 
BladeRunners child's size 6 (anyone want 'em for cheap?). He's a natural, 
within a month he was jumping over cardboard boxes at the end of the 
driveway and still stopping in time to stay out of the street (a nice 
little quiet unbusy residential street of course).  I love spinning 
around myself, one day (if I keep reading this newsgroup) I'll figure out 
how to do jumps. I loved skating on the bike paths by the beach in Cape 
Hatteras.  We'd skate with the 8 year old in the middle and he'd just
let us tow him for miles (being flat it was really very effortless).

I feel just like you all do regarding mood, music, and moving...that's 
what I go out there and do, the Spiral Dance...blading is both 
physical _and_ metaphysical.  

**BB**
Teri Mackey  pteri@stsci.edu
Advance Planning Systems Branch
Space Telescope Science Institute  <-- Home of the Hubble Space Telescope
Baltimore, Maryland 

                    Bladers from Baltimore Unite! 
  ~JHU Lot U     ~UMBC Lot 16    ~Lake Montebello    ~Fell's Point
From: jnewborn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Gadget)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Backwards braking...
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:03:56 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu



Anyone have any useful tips on stoping while going backwards without using
  the rear brake?  I've gotten pretty comfortable with skating backwards,
  yet I ALWAYS find myself turning forward again in order to stop.  Besides,
  I hate that feeling when I'm playing hockey, hit the puck away, and I'm
  helplessly moving backwards away from the puck.


-Gadget




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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: NEED more SPEED.
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:14:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.38785
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan25.200135.2386@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
> I'm new to in-line skating and own a pair of cool-blades. (If I was 
> more aware at the time, I probably should have been thinking
> AERO-blades).  Its getting time for me to replace my wheels, the 
> question is,  can I fit 908's on my cool-blade frames?  Will the 
> same bearings from my 808's fit in the 908's?  

All the in-line bearings are the same size.

> other random questions; 
> 
> 	Can someone please give me info regarding the Triange In-Line 
> 	Skating Club?

sorry.

> 	How can I get power into my understroke when doing a front 
> 	cross-over? 

Practice "speeding" up while making large arcs or circles of cross-overs.
Concentrate on getting a good "push" with each leg, not just a push/glide.
Play with your body stance (should be aimed inward of the circle, not
skewing out).  Think about the direction of your leg thrust, some sense
of pushing inwards and some pushing "backwards" will give you the best
speed.

Consider some speed skating lessons.

> 	I looked at the FAQ and I'm still a bit confused regarding 
> 	bearings.  Are all ABEC-3 bearings sealed, and thus slower than 
> 	ABEC-1 bearing, even though the #3's are better bearing?  If 
> 	not, who markets a better bearing?  How do they compare (price 
> 	and perfomance) with the bearings that came on my cool-blades? 

The AEBC rating refers the the alledged precision of the bearings.  The
ratings go from 1 to 7 (or so), with the 1 being the lowest rated grade
and 7 being high precision.  The higher numbers are best, but after a
bit of wear/tear and grit a 7 bearing might meet the specs for an AEBC-1,
so don't get carried away.

Most skate bearings are shielded with non-contact metal dust shields.
Only "training" bearings are actually "sealed" with rubber lip seals.
The seals will keep out water, but at the expense of more drag.

Rollerblade(TM) sells several grades of bearings.  Skateboard shops and
mail-order outfits also sell the same bearings.  One top brand is Powell
Swiss Bearings, which are only sheilded on one side, making for easy
cleaning.  Some of the shield designs are easy to pop off, some aren't.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: gt0258f@prism.gatech.EDU (James Andrew Garvey)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Blading Gifs
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:20:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <C1JB6B.3rw@inews.Intel.COM> kcreta@sedona.intel.com writes:
>
>Hey,
>
>Does anyone out there have any cool gifs of blading.  An airborne shot would
>be great.
>
>					Ken

Or some tiff, pict, or startup screens for Macintosh of the same would be    
great too!

James Garvey
Georgia Tech
Atlanta, GA

james.garvey@oit.gatech.edu

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Sore Feet fix
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:21:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I posted previously complaining of sore feet and asking
for suggestions; I also mentioned "cooking" my boots with
a hair dryer.  I didn't have to resort to such brutal tactics,
however. When I got the skates (California Pro Nitroline), the
tongue on the innerboot (liner) was set up so that it was
inside the innerboot.  I don't know if this was correct or
not, but the way I wear my skates (tight) it caused the sides
of the tongue to crimp into my foot -- ouch!  So, I ignored
all the excellent advice I recieved, and on a whim, pulled
the tongue out so that it now overlaps the liner, rather
than the other way around.  I just skated for 1-1/2 hours
with only minor discomfort, so I think it worked.  

If you are having trouble with similar skates, consider
this option.  Much of the advice I got was: buy better
skates.  This seems to be the best solution if you can
afford it, as I tried some more expensive skates, and 
the difference was incredible.  I will stay with my
cheap skates for now, though -- the wheels and bearings
are good.

Anybody know whether those tongues were supposed to be
inside like that?  I have seen them both ways on 
different brands of skates, but outside sure fits better.
-- 
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From: kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Backwards braking...
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:00:37 GMT
Reply-To: kcreta@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, ASIC in the Desert
Originator: kcreta@sedona


In article <1k4n1sINNpa9@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, jnewborn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Gadget) writes:
> 
> 
> Anyone have any useful tips on stoping while going backwards without using
>   the rear brake?  I've gotten pretty comfortable with skating backwards,
>   yet I ALWAYS find myself turning forward again in order to stop.  Besides,
>   I hate that feeling when I'm playing hockey, hit the puck away, and I'm
>   helplessly moving backwards away from the puck.
> 

Sure.  While rolling backwards, pick one foot, turn it into a T-stop shape, 
and shave the pavement (ouch, my wheels).  To get the best results, it's best
to really lean into the braking foot at a sharp angle (i.e., stick your foot
as far behind you as you can).

This is a great one for hockey and I use it often when I have to stop 
quickly.



							Ken
From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Vancouver, Canada Ice Dance Weekend 3/26-28
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:27:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
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The announcement for this dance weekend (sponsored by Delta Figure Skating
Club) came out recently, so I thought I'd post a name and phone number for
people in other parts of the country who might be interested in attending. 
I went a couple of years ago and it was alot of fun.  I am planning to go
again this year.  This years' schedule includes 4 hours of ice time Friday
night (6-10 pm), 2 hours Saturday (8:45-10:45 am), the remainder of
Saturday for sightseeing, a dinner dance Saturday night, and 3 hours of
ice time on Sunday (10:30 am to 1:45 pm). 

If you are interested contact Nesta Davies at (604) 946-8617.

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