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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I miss Krypto the superdog or Damn, that Crisis anyway!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:03:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I don't know how they bring him back.  There's no reason Superhorse
couldn't still be around, but Streaky and Beppo are gone(sigh.)
Krypto could be saved by Luthor. (You'll understand this if tyg
prints my vote who should have killed Supes.) But I miss Krypto
darn it.  Maybe the Earth Prime Superboy could have rescued
him at the end of Crisis?  [BTW, Batdog is back!!!!]
-- 
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It's appropriation by a notably morose group is an act of piracy."
- Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
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From: eja@carr1.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC:  Missed Deadlines
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:06:59 GMT

I don't remember the exact amount of time, but I recall
Watchmen # 12 being maddeningly late.  Anyone remember just how long
it took to come out?  (Not that it really competes with MM, Mage
Ms. Mystic #3, etc., it just sticks out in my mind.  I was a drooling
Watchboy.)

Eric Akawie; Freelance Messiah
eja@acpub.duke.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:02:31 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Rec.arts.sandman
 <1993Jan25.174955.1194@psych.toronto.edu> <rdippold.728001648@qualcom>
 <1993Jan26.164312.16973@psych.toronto.edu>

No, a rac.superheroes and rac.vertigo+others wouldn't work either.  Where would
you put Next Men?  It's a superhero book but is also a mature readers book.
What about Sandman Mystery Theatre?  That's one example of a superhero book
that is also a Vertigo title.  Looking for a cover label to decide if it's
mature or not isn't the answer.  Some books do have a mature label, while
others with similar content simply choose not to be code-approved without
labeling the book.
Like someone said, this isn't to make a rec.arts.what.I.like.  I'm sure some
people only read Alan Davis' Excalibur or Peter David's X-Factor among the
X-books.  This doesn't mean it didn't deserve a split.  Rac.vertigo is a
precise division and deserves to be made.
                                                --Eric
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: New York University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:56:00 GMT

oops...  didn't mean to delete the original, but what the hell...
Just wanted to clear up the LJC thing that LJC pointed out (heh :) :

The grave marker stone thingy on last months Hell Blazer (#62) just says
Constantine...  But it's not the Lady's, it belongs to Harry
Constantine, an ancestor of Johnny boy's.  John has a little chat with
him in the story, but there's no connection to LJC.  

BTW, any1 know if she ever *was* mentioned in an HB?  I have them all
(well, almost :) sitting right here, but I don't feel like going thru
'em right now...  

			-Darkmage
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From: lecuyer@wam.umd.edu (Catherine L. LeCuyer)
Subject: Re: Enigma is excellent; Sandman, okay
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:49:50 GMT

In article <rfischer.727651525@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer) writes:
>pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
>
>my greatest complaint this week was with hellblazer. i find a year's
>worth of this title to run the gamut from wonderful to useless. this
>was, imho, the second completely useless issue that garth ennis has
>penned. (the first being his last 'party' issue, introducing the
>spirit of the dance.) i really don't need to see a large portion of an
 ^^^^^^ 
Lord of the Dance - Probably a reference to an ancient pagan God
a la a Pan or Cernenous. Now I can't wait to get Hellblazer 'cause
the on with the L of the D was one of my favorites.

Cathy the rabidlly pagan,too.

>russ fischer


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From: hlow@mothra.syr.EDU (Handel Low)
Subject: Surprise!  It's Enigma!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:24:40 EST


There were only a few things I'd read by Peter Milligan
before Enigma, and they didn't impress me much.  The first
was long ago, a Batman story, when I was still into that
sort of thing (I think it was about "Hungry Grass" or
something like that.  "Just ok" for a Batman story).

The second was one issue of Shade, the Changing Man when
I picked up a few stray recommendations here and there
about it.  It was about the JFK conspiracy, which seemed
interesting enough, but I couldn't make sense out of the
end of the issue and didn't feel like paying to find out
what was going on.

Oh yeah!  The only other thing was some fifty cent issues
of Animal Man that I got at a convention.  After reading
THOSE (and they were stray issues, which is probably why)
I was pretty convinced Milligan was a sucky writer.

And now...Enigma!

The Vertigo Preview did not do the title justice AT ALL.
I was pretty much convinced after reading the two pages
in the preview that this would be another lame Milligan
offering maybe about some supersmart cosmic entity or
force whose exist was brought about by ripping off some
Grant Morrison premise.

Well, it's not.  The first issue, priced at a hefty two
fifty (ouch!!) was an intriguingly-told story that left
me howling abuse when I discovered that I ran out of pages
(it's what they call a cliffhanger, I think).  One VERY
impressive thing they did was the parallel present-past
alternating flashback they did.  The transition in the
scripting of this flashback was just really...

I'm hesitant in saying "groundbreaking," but if the
following issues show more of this innovation, I would
definitely say that this is one instance where it is.

Buy it.  Or at least read it in the comics shop, for
crying out loud!!

Other opinions?  (e-mail me if you post)


handel "wow!  what a compleat bastard!" low
From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:37:16 GMT
Organization: SPUGE
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 (GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: Sorry, it's not money.  Dave Sim has already said he's donating the proceeds
: from the issue to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund.

Sim undoubtedly would do whatever he could to help the indies against
the behemoths.

: 
: Alan Moore will soon be associated with Image in a big way anyway, when his
: 6 issue limited seriesestitled 1963, will be published under that banner.

Actually, I can see the motivation for artists to associate themselves
with Image.  Regardless of the quality, it allows them to reap the
benefits of their work.  For a sure seller like Moore, this should 
be quite attractive.

: What could be better than total creative control combined with a #1 issue that
: practically every comics reader is going to try out?  It doesn't matter what
: else is published under the Image banner, or for that matter what else was
: published in previous issues of Spawn.  That won't affect the quality of Alan
: Moore's or anybody else's work on their own installments (besides, Spawn
: _is_ good, especially the first 4 issues, and definitely the 5th).

I agree with all but the last sentence.
I like the caricature quality of the graphics, but the plot would have
to sweat a bit to be more stereotypical.  I bought a few of
the issues because of the pretty pictures.

:  Do you
: think Neil Gaiman is happy with _everything_ DC publishes?  Or does Miller
: love everything that's b to avoid doing theevil?  I doubt it, but that's no
: reason for these writersto avoid doing atheir own interpretations.

You are right, of course.

: 
: And, yes, Mcfarlane showed complete faith in these writers by letting them do
: anything they wanted with his character.  Complete creative freedom.

He will almost certainly reap vast benefits for his faith.
He might even be able to get his hot-rod gold leafed.

doug
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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:06:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.180942.12704@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>I believe the "Bimbino Twins" were intended as a comic reference to the
>"Barbi Twins", who are pin-up models. If I'm not mistaken, I recently saw
>one of their ads in CBG. Perhaps T&M didn't realize how obscure they were
>being...
>
>And Garth and Ayla are fraternal twins, not identical (which you might
>guess from their differing genders :) ). Their hair has always been a little
>different; look at the old Adventures. Garth is more blond, Ayla is more red.
>
>cheers,
>	ast
>
I forgot to mention: even though Garth and Ayla shouldn't have the same
hair color, it is true that that brown color was all wrong. Mistakes
happen. And not as often in LSH as in Sandman :).

cheers,
	ast
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: BATMAN- P. Craig Russel!
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:33:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: queernet.C1H7nA.Ew6
Organization: QueerNet

In article <75oXXB8w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>Yes, and I don't know why they use Russell as an inker when he does such 
>wonderful work as penciller.  

Because he's a very good inker who inks other people's pencils about ten
times as fast as he draws his own stuff; he takes inking work to eat, and to
fund his long, slow full-art projects.
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you fall, you fly."                                                -- N. Gaiman
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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: The end of Earth and the metagene (was Re: BOOOOOM!)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:01:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.195728.10237@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
>Drat. I, too, was hoping that we might see a comeback of this show. Haven't 
>seen it is (pause) my god eight or nine years now, but I have fond memories.
>
>kristoff, creator of the short-lived Tomorrow People role playing game.

	Rumor has it that The New Tomorrow People is going to premier on
(i think) Nickelodeon on January 25th.  Please don't ask me for more info, 
as i don't have any.  Ask in rec.arts.tv.sf...

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From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Subject: Re: I miss Krypto the superdog or Damn, that Crisis anyway!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:31:04 GMT

anguilla@acpub.duke.edu (Hunganh Nguyen) writes:


>	Please excuse my ignorance, but WHAT happened to Krypto????
>Was he killed off in that Crisis thing?  

Well, it goes like this:

First, Crisis didn't do a think to Krypto.  Then Superman got Byrned,
and there was no such thing as a Krypto ever in DC.  Then the Time
Trapper wanted to keep Mordru from taking over the Universe so that
HE could take over the universe.   So the Time Trapper created his
pocket universe with a pocket-superboy, and a pocket-krypto.

Then in Action Comics #591 (Superman Vs Superboy, also featuring
the FF, I mean LSH), Krypto wants to help Superboy defeat Superman.
So he decides to get out Superboy's sample of Gold Kryptonite to depower
Superman.  This, of course, depowers Krypto permanently, and turns
him into an ordinary dog existing in a pocket universe.

Then in LSH v#4, issue #4, Mon El destroys the Time Trapper, so the
Time Trapper never existed, so the pocket universe never existed, so
once again, Krypto never existed.

But at least he didn't die in Crisis.

>	Really.  I DON'T know....but would like to....
-- 
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"But if you think that way - that 'meat is meat' you'd have to include human
beings as food."  "Only if game is scarce."
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:35:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.215552.5661@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Skybax Rider, Apprentice Class) writes:
>>1)  Were the Endless created by God directly or came into existence as a
>>    side effect of his creations?  I'm under the impression that the
>>    Endless weren't created directly but were a side effect of his
>>    works. 
>>    As soon as God created the first angel, the side effect of that one
>>    act was all the Endless coming into existence.
>   I'd say that depends on how youu view the nature of the Endless.  I look
>   at them as local manifestations of universal qualities, created by the
>   local presence of conciousness (yep, it's bullshit).  So, if those
>   qualities are part of the "fabric" of the universe, it would depend on
>   what god created first -- the angels of the universe.

Isn't it mentioned somewhere in Sandman that all beings will die, with Death
the last one to do so?

If so, then nothing we recognize as God can exist, since God is supposed to be
immortal in a rather strong sense.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
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From: gervasio@Ross.COM (Gregorio T. Gervasio, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McReviews: JLA #72
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:12:03 GMT
Organization: ROSS Technology, Inc. -- Austin, TX

>>>>> On 22 Jan 93 09:16:53 GMT, terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) said:

terry> This is an incredible rip-off!!!  Marvel did almost the exact
terry> same story 5 years ago with their Squadron Supreme mini-series.
terry> At that time, Marvel and DC were negotiating to do an
terry> Avengers-JLA team-up story.  When that deal fell through, the
terry> Marvel writers had some fun by coming up with their own version
terry> of the JLA called the Squadron Supreme.  There were equivalents
	...

	This is not entirely right.  The Squadron Supreme showed up in
"Avengers" some time in the late 70's.  The never-released
JLA-Avengers story (by Roy Thomas and George Perez!) came much later.

	The other thing is, DC did the heroes as villains bit with the
Earth-3 stories before the Squadron Supreme mini-series.
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From: cjett@s850.mwc.edu (conroy v. jett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dark Knight in continuity (was Re: SUPERMAN RETURNS...)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:58:31 -0500
Organization: Mary Washington College, CPSC Dept.
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> 
> In about 1990 Neil Gaiman wrote a Batman story about a villainous circus
> led by a character with a fox's head ("for no reason") called Mr. Fox.

Is this the proposed NIGHT CIRCUS graphic novel that was supposed to
have been drawn by Simon Bisley?

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Hellblazer #63
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:51:08 GMT

This was a welcome change of pace.  Most comics benefit from the occasional
at-home issue, and Hellblazer is no exception.  Mind, Ennis wouldn't be
Ennis if there were no fire-ants at the picnic.

I find his class hatreds unappealing.  I don't think there's much
question that they're Ennis's real opinions, and not just those of
his characters:  They spill over too frequently and too easily.  So
Charles and Di broke up because his possession left him kinked and
Margaret Thatcher had some demon or boogie in her corner (or vice versa)?

Okay, we've had our party, and will now return to our regularly-scheduled
angst.  Too bad, in a way:  The John Constantine I prefer is the cunning
man who overawes evil wizards, walks off with muckamucks' car keys, and
scores ironic victories, not the loser who has all his triumphs turn to blood.

Next issue we see the archangel Gabriel again.  In any other title, Gabriel
would be the good guy.  I hope this is part of Constantine's plan to take
on Hell.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Sandman: No chocolate for dogs
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:34:36 GMT

In <1993Jan22.231545.3276@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>>Dogs should not be given chocolate. 
>
>Dogs shouldn't be asked to comment on paintings, either.  Their
>color sense is notoriously limited.

Not to mention that, as a group, they simply will *not* accept cubism as a
valid approach.

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                          entitled, "Screw You and Your Miserable Little
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                       8. Fitzwater in a miniskirt
                       6. Scheduled Desert Storm a year too early
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:12:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan25.221249.2357
Organization: Castle Anthrax

In article <1993Jan25.062949.17688@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1jvgmb$sgi@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan24.052940.29838@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>)And, what do we make of calling attention to the fact that Morpheus is
>>)not Apollo?  'Course I'm probably reading too much into that, could be
>>)a throwaway I suppose.
>>)Glenn
>>
>>	Well, recall that in the original myths Orpheus was the child
>>of Apollo and Calliope. It's therefore natural, when Dream refers to
>>Orpheus as his son, for Kris to think that that's who he is.
>
>Yup, that's why I wondered why he called attention to the apparent
>contradiction.  But like I said, it may not mean anything.

It's not a contradiction. The myths are ambiguous about Orpheus's
parentage; some say his father was Apollo, some say it was a mortal.
Given that ambiguity, Gaiman has said that it seemed fair to make
Dream his father. After all, clearly some of the myth-tellers got it
wrong; why not all of them?

But Kris would be familiar with the most common myth, that Orpheus was
Apollo's son. (The fact that Orpheus can look straight into the sun
might encourage this belief.) And since Orpheus was feuding with
Dream, he wouldn't mention anything to his caretakers to correct that
misapprehension. 
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Annotated Future Imperfect (Long)
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 05:06:15 GMT

You also missed Captian Marvel's nega-bands holding the plants.

(Sorry, I forgot to add this to my last post...)

Jay (=

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From: modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall)
Subject: green lanterns
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:32:05 GMT

somebody postulated that a GL's ring lasts for one day of whatever
planet the GL happens to be on... interesting hypothesis, but what
about the GL that was a planet?  there was a GL that was a whole
planet... theoretically, that GL could make the ring last forever, no?

-mark
From: appel@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McReviews: JLA #72
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:27:01
Organization: csua
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In-reply-to: mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:17:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.211724.23316@udel.edu> mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) writes:
>Hmm, strange things happening over in Justice League America #72.

This sounds vaguely familiar.  I think I might have read it as a
12-issue limited series produced by Marvel some time ago.

Shannon

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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: A Problem(tm)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:27:01 GMT

silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:
>have a nervous breakdown  :).  So what happens? I post some stuff, then
>I leave the news program, and I find some mail waiting: none of my posts
>were posted, because sig's can only be 4 lines.  So I come back here,
>and find that 1- my posts *were* posted, and 2- most sig's were longer
>than 4 lines, like I thought.  Anyone know how I can fix this?

Make your .sig four lines or less.  It's the "polite" limit.  Anything
more and you might be warlorded unmercifully (rec.arts.comics.misc is
a prime hunting ground).  Your site probably has a four line sig
warning on and forgot to replace the actual text, or figured it would
have more of an impact.  Do we really need to see a half page of stuff
on everything you (general "you" here) post?

On the other hand, in the spirit of tweaking your restrictive
newsposter, you can always trick your news poster by including the
signature yourself instead of using a .signature.  You can even do
this automatically yourself with a script file.
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