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From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("Alex Allister Shvartsman, EMF,              LKG2-2/T2 28-Sep-1992 1041")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Krivaja da neljoxkaja
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

RE: Sergey Vizniuk : viznyuk@OHSTPW.MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

> "Krivaia da nelegkaia" is really very _powerfull_ . The version I used
> to listen to was "presented" by Vysotsky on his Paris concert (?).
> This version probably was the best, IMHO. In France they made
> LP after that concert.

If both Sergey and I agree, then it must be a REALLY GREAT song. :-)

I am of course serious in calling it a great song. In my opinion, in
its fullest version, this song is the most powerful among Vysocki's
songs. There are other songs that contain thinly veiled criticim of
the Soviet system. This song contains very little criticism. Yet the
message is extremely powerful... However I'd rather discuss it when
we have the text in front of us. Let me just speculate that the song
can be linked to the confession of a Moscovite atheist posted here
several months ago.

Alex
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:18:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep29.001827.15927
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <90803@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

> Bulgakov is (was) an antisemite.

>>     I don't consider Bulgakov was antisemite.

>  It's just a personal preference.

>>     SY   E.Fedyunkin

> S.B.

To add my two shekels: though it is very unpleasant to
admit, it seems to be sort of known fact that Bulgakov
did not like us (Jews) much. Try to find a Marietta
Chudakova book. He did not like Ukrainians either.
There are some kinds of unpleasant accidents in Kiiv
right now with Ukrainian nationalists demonstrating
against the opening of Bulgakov's monument. When
the monument will be open, it will be surely defiled
by those guys, and I guess, more than once. 

Well, Bulakov lived in times when people often
get 5-years jail term for even use of the word
"zhid". I am sure that if he knew that the period
of Jews domination will exchange for an age of
grave antisemitism, he would reconsider his
views. 

The writers similar in style and views to the early Bulgakov,
notably Veresaev and Bunin were also antisemitic (and Chekhov!)
I guess, something to do with degenerating aristocracy
despising newcomers in culture. Funny thing is that
there were no antisemits in decadent wing of literature,
while almost everybody in the traditionalist wing was.
One more way to see that traditionalism sucks.

Misha.
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CIS on the internet
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:29:09 EDT

In article <1y5NRB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, w3roman@student.business.uwo.ca (Walter S. Romaniuk) writes:
> There are at least some places in the CIS on the internet. 
> I have been communicating from last March with the Lviv 
> Institute of Management, organizing some teaching classes for
> MBA students going from Canada to there.  So it is definitely
> possible.

  Ah, really ?  Have anybody else heard of ?   :-)

> 
> w3roman@student.business.uwo.ca (Walter S. Romaniuk)
> Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian/American Education
Date: 30 Sep 1992 03:12:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <cR1VRB1w165w@halcyon.com> novost@halcyon.com writes:
>
>2)  Doesn't a typical duration at a Russian college or unitersity
>    take 5 years?


That's true, but you are finishing diploma thesis, which takes from have a year
to year and something to two years, and, from my point of view
(different from official point here) is equivalent to MS.

>
>3)  Does student stipend (studencheskaya stipendiya) still
>    exist?  And does the area of study one selects have anything
>    to do with the amount of the stipe?  Aren't the stipends 
>    higher for sciences, physics, etc say rather than for a
>    historian?


This is (was?) true. But stipend is too small anyway, nobody lived
just on stipend. MOst of sudents were supported by parents, others
took some job or earned money during summer. Difference was about
10-15% of spendings.

Yury
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Subject:Russian Rock    
Keywords: 

   Well, everybody probably knows that Aguzarova is in LA doing her thing at some
restaurant ...  Autograph are also in LA trying to conquer the local club scene.
The latter seems as ridiculous as their leader's Americanized name - Lenny
(somebody justly said there can't be a dorkier name for a rock musician!).  This
is all old news, and besides, so what of all this?  If we are talking about some
real presence of Russian rock here in the States, neither Aguzarova nor Autograph
nor Gorky Park is an issue.

   On the other hand, I think that not everybody interested in subject are aware
that Russian rock did actually plant some roots into the American soil (although
I surely don't mean Radio Silence and although we certainly cannot speak about
any kind of "Russian invasion" at this point).

   What I'm getting at is that Yuri Naumov, the Apostle of Heavy Blues, the
Russian underground guitar guru, is living now in New York.  He and his wife
emigrated in 1990 and came to the US in October of that year.  You might know him
by his three albums recorded in Russia: The Blues Of 1000 Nights, Uncontrollable,
and The Rolling Stone, as well as by his numerous private "flat sessions."

   Of course, it would be naive to think that Yuri would go into business, try to
get a steady job, or do anything like that.  He remained what he was, that is, a
musician, a songwriter, an awesome guitar virtuoso with an incredibly elaborate
technique.  Having come to New York, he literally found his place.  Last time I
spoke with him, he said he feels like he is just where he is supposed to be. 
When I inadvertently mentioned Shevchuk's unsober remark that New York "comes
from devil" as opposed to St.Petersburg (flattering to my own native city but
obviously not too smart even as a figure of speech), Naumov just blew up: "Geez,
that's bullshit, man.  New York is beautiful even with its danger and crime.  New
York is the only place where you can be lonely and not suffer from it..."
   
   So, you may be wondering what he is actually doing now?  Gigging in clubs in
Greenwich Village, the coolest place in terms of the underground music (apologies
to the Seattle bands' fans, if I got a little carried away here).  Yuri is
performing alone, and most of the stuff he sings is in Russian.  However, some
songs in English have already been written as well.  As for new recordings, there
is just one live recording as of yet.

   Yuri's already had shows in the cities all over the country from Boston to
Philadelphia to Los Angeles and is trying to get his act together so as to come
out on a larger scene.  According to him, he gave himself five years for
"elevation" to the same level as the one at which he was in Russia at the time he
left it.  I guess, what's left for us to do is to wait and see what happens.  Two
years have already passed.  So, shall we still hope he will rock the whole damn
continent?...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:48:16 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Keywords: Russian students, "cookbook recipes."

In article <1992Sep30.174204.20044@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes about me n-th time:
>You have not explained anything. You have simply restated the dogmas
>imprinted in your brain by living in Russia for too long. The dogmas
>about the qualities an intelligent person should possess (good spelling
>is one of them according to you) and the clothes an intelligent person
>should wear to the theater.
>
>Another thing it shows is that while you may be able to spell well in
>russian your brain is not capable of understanding that it is NOT of
>importance whether you are wearing jeans in the theater or a tuxedo or
>whether you misspell words in a quickly written note. 
>
>On the other hand, a sign of true intelligence is a flexibility of
>one's mind as opposed to the strict adherence to the learned dogmas,
>the ability to see what is of relevance (like the contents of the
>message) and what is not (like a few spelling errors). You do not seem
>to be shining in either of these departments.
>
>I could also expect that a person like you, with 'good education', when
>writing in english to a large forum, would check with his english
>grammar book and post the articles in correct english - not making
>grammatical errors by the dozen. But I do not expect it - I understand what
>you are trying to say and observe your lack of general intelligence
>from the poor contents of your recent messages - not from the
>numerous grammatical errors you make.
>
>You cannot be serious - you message was a joke.
>
>Leonid Frants.

So our dogmas are different. Yours are very progressive and help you observe
lack of mine general intelligence. Also they give you superiority feeling
that is necessary in order to be able to miss point of view of other person
completely.

I wouldn't write what my dogmas help me to observe.

We both (and other netters too) formed strong opinions on this subject
(and opponent too :-).

I said what I felt should be said and said that more than once.

Bye-bye, serious man, be happy in your quest against windmills,

	-igor

P.S. It's really hard to be serious in such circus - but I really tried :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:01:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.175107.7850@news.nd.edu>, Alexei.Strounine@nd.edu (Alexei Strounine) writes:
|> In article <1ahs55INNg86@mizar.usc.edu> miwalker@mizar.usc.edu  
|> (Michael Walker) writes:
|> ->  While visiting ... this summer
|> ->  one of the girls (who seemed very upright and moral) told me she 
|> -> had used a cheat-sheet during and exam, and the discussion that
|> -> followed seemed to indicate this was a very commom practice.  I am 
|> -> just wondering how much of a problem this is.  Certainly goes on  
|> -> here too, but the casual way this was expressed to me really 
|> -> suprised me, especially considering how conservative these people 
|> -> were in most other ways.  
|> ->  
|> 
|>     Yes, the practice of cheating during an exam is very common in  
|> Russia, but the fact just shows the difference between Russian and  
|> American education. 
|>     Students in Russia are supposed to learn to THINK, not only to  
|> MEMORIZE some recipes. Problems which are usually given to students  
|> on an exam require some creativity, some original ideas, and cannot  
|> be solved using one standard method or another. In this case,  
|> cheating does not help much. 
|>     When I studied at the university in Russia most of my professors  
|> allowed us to use textbooks and notes during exams, but they also  
|> gave as questions that were not so easy. Sometimes we were able to  
|> take a break for a lunch.
|> 
|> Alexei

   Being a grader at an exam it is very easy to realize whether a student
   knows the subject or not. On the 4-th and 5-th year of undegraduate 
   study we were allowed to take an exam questions in the very morning, 
   but really take an exam any time during a day. Lecturer usually didn't
   listen answers, but used to move promptly to additional questions and
   problems, which trully showed student's knowledge. 

   Cheet-sheets weren't the only method of a thorough preparation for an
   exam. A friend of mine used one of the mostly progressive technique -
   he recorded everything necessary for the next exam on a tape and used
   to listen it before going to sleep. After each exam of CPCU history, 
   socialist political economics, atheism "i prochego marazma" ( Oh, yes 
   one more important subject -"army preparation") he turned over his tape 
   and listened it in back direction in order to help his brains to take 
   this knowledge away. That why he used tapes, but not cassettes.
   
   I forgot one more extremely important credit - "Civil Defence" :
   Vopros: "Kak dolgo mozhet prozhit' loshad' v protivogaze v uslovii
            jadernoj vojnyi ?"
   Otvet : "Poka ne sdohnet."

   Yury.
 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: gmfich@cs.washington.edu (Greg Fichtenholtz)
Subject: Ura!!!
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 06:15:16 GMT

Gospoda!
Goss Perot is back in the race!
GEVOLUTSIA PGODOLZHAETSYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-- 
=============================++===================================
Gregory Fichtenholtz         ||          |~~~ |~\ |  | | | |   /| 
gmfich@cs.washington.edu     ||          |    |_/ | /| | | |  /_| 
                             ||          |    |   |/ | |_|_| /  | .
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: education...
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:59:47 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <BvD7vw.HL2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN
ZENOBIA!) writes:

>huh..... I didn't think my high school in Magandanskaya Oblast was that bad.
>We had computers, nice furniture, underpaid teachers. I dont know about tv 
>sets.... although i know one was commonly brought in to watch videos on.
>We even had an apple computer along with the rotten russian ones....

Sounds better than most Moscow high schools...

BTW, what's the advantage of underpaid teachers?

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    //// shimkevich@A1.tch.harvard.edu //
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.13 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In  <1992Sep30.195731.162931@watson.ibm.com>  galina@watson.ibm.com
(Galina Kofman)_ writes:
> How do you react to the posts written by
> poor unfortunate soles whose memories are in bad
> shape, therefor their brains are weak?
> Do you ignore them or criticize the spelling?
> G.

As Leonid Andreev pointed out there is not a whole lot of sense
of humor to go around in this group. What was a little bit of humor
was blown out of proportion. Remember losing sense of humor is
a first sign of shizofreniya (? sp).
"Kak mogla povyazka spolzti so lba na nogu, on chto, odnonogi chto-li ?"

Oleg V
From: zoot@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (Peter C. Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Internet/CIS Connection
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:24:46 GMT

I may be in the CIS soon for about 6 months. I want to take a
notebook computer with me and stay in touch with the US. My instinct
is that the best way will be a long-distance call (with Sprint or
somebody so I get a relatively clear line) and connect periodically
with my CompuServe account via the number in Germany.

But: is there a way to get an Internet connection in Moscow and
St. Petersburg (for starters) that's relatively simple?	I would like
a local dialup or UUCP site account.

Thanks

Pete Johnson 

I *am* my employer
"A single spark can start a prairie fire." Mao Zedong, January 5th 1930.
"Politicians Prefer Unarmed Peasants" -- bumper sticker.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8065 talk.politics.soviet:8211
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: SOME ASPECTS OF THE LAW FOR CITIZENSHIP OF ESTONIA
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:13:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

Dima Pasechnik writes:

>As far as I know he (John W.) mainly reads netnews. In Australia it's
>not easy to find info about Latvia from other sources.


Try the following publications:

- Guardian Weekly
- The Age
- Sydney Morning Herald
- New York Times & favorite foreign (English language) newspapers available 
  at the Reid Library.
- various journals of current affairs available at the magazines section
  of the Reid Library (ask at the info desk)

As usual, one has to sift through the publications for scraps of
information. 

In any case, your argument doesn't work -- you see, our adversary can
claim simply that we are all lackeys for the propagandists... in our
innocence!  (Ha ha!)

The most important point of the Estonian citizenship law will stand out
no matter how much history one learns;  this point is:


	the law fails to grant unconditional citizenship to those
	born on the territory of what is now known as the Republic of Estonia.


To see the peril that minority groups have been placed in, one only has
to study similar occurences of such a law anywhere. The condition placed
on the granting of citizenship can, and will, be exploited by vested
interests within the majority group -- or whichever group is in power! 

It may even be that the Estonians that the Estonian government
represents are in the minority (nobody in this newsgroup seems to have
any hard statistics) -- it doesn't change the principle! ,
which is, that the group in power has instigated an excluding measure on 
certain sections of the population. Whether Estonia will become a South
Africa or whether it becomes a Yugoslavia remains to be seen.

The Estonian government has chosen to exploit a legal technicality for
its own ends; namely, that unconditional citizenship by birthright is
usually granted in legal, sovereign states -- as the ESSR was not
legal, it did not exist (in the legal sense).  The Estonian government
has chosen the old Republic of Estonia as the legal state on which it
bases its existence;  but IT COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANY BASIS (within its
borders), some being less ``social" (on the international stage) than
others. It could have chosen to respect the integrity of all people who
have lived there in the last 50 years, or of all people born there in that
time irrespective of their ethnicity.  Instead, it chose to assert the
importance of "true Estonians", defined to be those descended from
citizens of the old Republic (and their kin).

To anyone familiar with the effects of ethnic passions on claims to
territory and material possessions, the nationalist character of the
Estonian move is utterly plain.

In its wisdom, with Yugoslavia blasting itself to death nearby, the
Estonian government has chosen to shove its head into the sand and
continue to pursue its morbid dream of motherland, playing the Russian
roulette of nationalist politics.

A pox on them all.


John Wojdylo
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Commercials. Was Re: Americans and movies: something's wrong
Date: 28 Sep 1992 23:00:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

I got too opinions about American women, based on watching commercials
and comparing to real life.

1. Most of attractive American women are too busy shooting in commercials
so you never see them anywhere else.
2. American women are extremly sexy: it's sufficient for them to eat
cookie or cheesburger to have orgasm

Yury
-----------------

"O chem by dumaete, gljadja na kirpich?"
"O zhenschinah."
"No pochemu?"
"A ja vsegda o zhenschinakh dumaju."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Movies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:06:51 GMT

AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior) writes:

>>above average, "...Wolves" is just a waste of a lot of money.  The only
>>reason it won is that it is a movie about indians in which indians are
>>not put down.
>>
>>---Garik.

>It's also a terrible rip-off of Little Big Man, which did not need music to
>tell you how you were supposed to feel.

>;-'

>-K

>-Mka

Did you feel that the basic subject of "..Wolves" was that there are
four groups of people in America at that time: good indians, good white
people, bad indians,  and bad white people. And there is a common law of
nature that keeps it all together: good people, indians/whites, can live
together, bad people, indian/whites, can live together, good/bad combinations
cannot live together.

--Garik.
From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: mail
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:37:56 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

How long does it normally take to get airmail letter from U.S.A to St.
Petersburg ??

I sent one to Perm a couple of months ago, it only took 2 weeks, its been
nearly a month since I sent to a friend in St. Petersburg and she has not
received it yet, I'm starting to worry.
From: Jim_May@macgate.csuchico.edu (Jim May)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Where is Sverdlovsk?
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:34:08 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: mlib13-mac10.csuchico.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
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X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:39:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.054321.7234@jack.sns.com> Al Trh, trh@jack.sns.com
writes:
>can you tell me where  Sverdlovsk is in ex U.S.S.R.? I need the
information
>for my geography class.

It's now called Ekaterinburg (sometimes spelled Yekaterinburg, since the
"E" is pronounced "ye" in Russian).  Since American map makers and travel
guide people are always years behind it is probably still shown as
Sverdlovsk.  It's near the traditional border between Europe and Asia
near the Ural Mountains in west central Russia.
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:09:55 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1992Oct3.090652.22269@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <1992Oct02.134616.28692@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>There is only one God.
>
>Hindus will dispute that.
>-- 
>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path

Yes and no. 

Hinduism is not a monolithic and well-defined religion with a 
single canonical text (like Christianity is) and so it is subject
to many interpretations. Certain sects in Hinduism believe that
there is only one God. Certain other sects in Hinduism do not.

- Sayan Bhattacharyya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Itschu MISHU. Others ignore.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:52:15 GMT

	Mikhailo, ti gde? Moi nomer 497-7816. Pozvoni. Arto.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.183915.37862@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>This discussion on spelling reminds me of our great leader Nikita
>Hruschev

It is alos reminds me old anekdot:


Inspektor TsK proveryaet gruppu vypusknicov MGIMO:

Predstav'te chto vy secretar' posolstva v afrikanskoi strane,
napishite notu popovodu zaderzhania sovetskogo sudna s orujiem
v portu etoi strany

posle proverky:

osobenno mne ponravilas' rabota studenta Ivanova, ya tolko
doljen zametit' emy chto ne ebet pishetsya rasdel'no a chernojopyi 
vmeste






-- 
Aleksey Y. Romanov

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
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