HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 040 caching
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:48:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

In article <CKD.92Jul22040059@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher
Davis) wrote:
> 
> completely inside the chip.  Now, when B modifies the next location, it
> modifies the location in the DATA cache, not the INSTRUCTION cache... so
> you get A B C D E A B C D E etc.

This was also true of the 68030.  But on the 68030 you could write an
instruction into a RAM location that had never been executed and not have a
problem.  (Although this is still not recommended.)  If the location was
never executed then it couldn't be in the INSTRUCTION cache.

The difference on the 68040 is the DATA cache is not write through (which
it was on the 030).  So the same code that would work on the 030 won't work
on the 040, for the following reason.  

The program writes an instruction into memory; it goes into the DATA cache
but not into RAM.  The processor then tries to execute that instruction. 
It's not in the INSTRUCTION cache, so it goes out to RAM to fetch the code
and misses the value in the DATA cache.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Scanner recommendations?
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:07:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul21.180735.6550
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

We are looking to buy a scanner for use in scanning both text and images.
Can anyone impress upon me their experiences/recommendations or point me
toward a review of scanners in some rag?

Thanks,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Gary.Coy@p20.f108.n280.z1.ieee.org (Gary Coy)
Subject: good books on repairing mac se
Organization: FidoNet node 1:280/108.20 - The MacRocosm, Lawrence KS
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:44:01 GMT

On 7/16/92, patterso@erl.mit.edu said to All about "good books on repairing
mac se" - 

  pu> Does anyone have any good references besides the two Larry Pina's
  pu> books (Dead Mac Scrolls and Repair and Upgrade secrets), which tells
  pu> one how to repair macintosh problems, without having to get a new
  pu> motherboard? I recently changed one of my SIMM sockets and my se has
  pu> developed strong vertical lines that won't go away. The local dealer
  pu> track the problem down to the logic board, in particular the simm part
  pu> of this board, but beyond that he could only swap the board:$381.00
  pu> Any help would be appreciated. richard sven.
  pu> 

Well, I don't know of any other books, but if you are daring you might try
de-soldering the offending SIMM socket and re-soldering in a new one (that is,
if you know which socket is bad!)

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From: minnella@acsu.buffalo.edu (Todd V. Minnella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Line Level Attenuator for Sound In Port?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:24:53 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo ASCIT

Does anyone know where to get an attenuator for the microphone port of my
IIsi? I would like to sample sounds from my tape deck. The manual specifies
an attenuation of 500:1. Is this right? Can I buy this at Radio Shack (for
example)?

Thanks much!
_______________________________________________________________________________
| *  Todd V. Minnella  **  UB-SARPA Director of Computer Resources (DoCuR)  * |
| **  Macintosh Guru for Academic Services, CIT (ASCIT) of SUNY at Buffalo ** |
| ***  Internet: minnella@acsu.buffalo.edu  **  BITNET: minnella@sunybcs  *** |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: savitt@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Savitt)
Subject: Please help me with my broken Mac Plus!!!
Summary: It's busted.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:40:39 GMT

I have a problem with a Mac Plus that I hope you folks in Net-Land help 
me with.

When I turn the computer on, it makes a buzzing sound, the screen is dark, 
and distorted.  After a few minutes, there is a smell like burning plastic, 
and the screen goes black.  Between the time I turn it on, and the time the 
picture goes out, the system seems to work all right.  The system will boot
off the floppy disk, and the desktop appears.

I understand that the flyback transformer seems the most likely cause of 
my problem, but I would like to know what else must also be replaced.  Does 
the whole analog board need to be replaced?  Is the analog board in the 
Mac Plus the same one that is in a Mac 512k?

And finally, where is the best (cheapest) place to get whatever part(s) that 
I need to fix my Mac?

All suggestions are welcome, and thanks in advance.

David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn)
Subject: Dest Personal Scanner?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:24:06 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Summary: Any experience?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Keywords: scanner handheld page

I'm considering buying a Dest personal scanner from the MacZone.  It's a
handheld scanner that can also be attached to a 10-sheet feeder, scans at
300dpi with 4 levels of gray, and costs about $650.  It's actually a
full-page scanner with an 8.5" wide scan, which is a big plus.  It also
comes with "Recognize OCR" software.

Does anybody have experience with this scanner?  How well does the OCR
software work (e.g. does it require a lot of training and babysitting, or is
it "plug and play")?  How does it compare to Caere's Typist Plus Graphics
scanner (which isn't full-page)?

So, the Dest scanner looks like a good deal.  Is it?
-- 
Bruce Horn, Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science
uucp: ...!seismo!cmucspt!cmu-cs!blh
ARPA: Bruce.Horn@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: tswift@well.sf.ca.us (Theodore John Swift)
Subject: Re: Software transfer IIsi->Powerbook
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:41:18 GMT


> Is there an easy way to transfer software from an internal drive
> on, say, a  IIsi to the internal drive on a Powerbook? Can I make
> the IIsi recognise the Powerbook's internal drive in some way,
> or am I stuck switching floppies?

It depends what model of Powerbook you have.  The PB 100 is
(ironically) the only model that can be put into so-called
SCSI Disk Mode, where the PB 100 can be connected to the SCSI
bus of your desktop Mac using a couple of expensive cables, and
it simply and elegantly appears as another disk drive on your
desktop Mac's screen. Your PB100's screen is blank save for a
SCSI-diamond logo with the SCSI ID number wandering across the
screen.  Very slick and quick: transfers data at
about 115K/second, in my informal measurement yesterday.  The
cables required are a standard DB-25 to 50-pin SCSI System Cable
*and* the "Apple HDI-30 SCSI Disk Adapter" cable, which adapts
the (male) 50-pin SCSI cable to the obscure high-density SCSI
port used on the back of all three Powerbook models.
  If you're fortunate enough to have a PB 140 or 170, you can't
simply connect the SCSI port on your PB to the SCSI port on your
desktop Mac: the manual warns that everything will explode :-).
But you can create a "network" between the two Macs and transfer
data using AppleShare or some other file-sharing goodie in
System 7 that I haven't figured out yet.  I'm not sure what exact
cables are needed, but it may be as simple as a null-modem serial
cable.  Happy transferring.
-Ted
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"You bally well are informed, Jeeves!  Do you know everything?"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Difference between different Macintosh machines
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<D88-JWA.92Jul21112146@dront.nada.kth.se>
	<CKD.92Jul21125518@loiosh.eff.org>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:43:20 GMT

> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

   port; the IIci and Quadras are the only currently shipping machines with
   two ADB ports, but you could get Y-jacks, and the Apple 21" and 16"

The Quadras (at least the 900 under my desk) only have one ADB port.
As you say, the extra ports on the 21" are nifty, and the 16" even
has sound ports !

    Jon> The color-capable macs (i.e. all but classic, plus, SE and PB 100)

   Not to mention the Outbound machines (even the '030 models).

Ah, but they're not macs ! And I would not buy a non-color-qd
machine, since it will be obsolete so much sooner.

    Jon> ### You have the Easy Access virus. This virus may cause strange sounds
    Jon> ### and weird keyboard behaviour when you press the shift key repeatedly.

   Hehehe.  Is that like the "24-bit virus" which eats up 10M of RAM?

I'll have to add that to my virus detection list !

-- 
         Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden

### You have the Easy Access virus. This virus may cause strange sounds
### and weird keyboard behaviour when you press the shift key repeatedly.
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: WHERE TO GET EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE KIT?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:54:00 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul29.182949.9045@uoft02.utoledo.edu> reby@uoft02.utoledo.edu  
(Russ Eby) writes:
+ 
+ I have an Apple 40meg internal hard drive from an upgraded Mac LC.  I would
+ like to turn this into an external hard drive, but I don't know where to  
get a
+ kit to do it.  if anyone knows where I can get one, please e-mail me at the
+ address below.  Please say where, how much, and how do get hold of them if
+ possible.  Thank You.

I'd suggest Club Mac (see your favorite Mac magazine), roughly $100.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Subject: Re: NEC CD ROM Drive Experiences
Reply-To: weigert@mcs.anl.gov
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba-shi, Japan
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:37:17 GMT


SWE> I JUST got a CDR-74 and am truely impressed!  Although
SWE> the seek time is darn good for a CD-ROM drive the
SWE> transfer rate is incredible.  When copying files to my
SWE> hard drive from the CD ROM the "reading" and "writing"
SWE> messages displayed by Sys7 are displayed for
SWE> approximatly equal amounts of time.  The hard drive I

Sounds great, but a word of warning here. I have yet to
encounter a third party CD ROM drive that is able to load
Apple's A/UX (which is distributed only on CD). So if your
future at some time includes Unix, be careful.

Cheers, Thomas.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Whaddya like for replacement HDs?
From: morris@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Ted Morris)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:25:35 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

We've got a sticktion problem drive that they won't replace free
anymore, in one of our Mac IIxes.  It's an 80Mb Quantum.  Rather than
let our in-house folks replace it with a reconditioned unit (and send
ours out to become somebody else's reconditioned unit!), or pay Apple
for a direct replacement, I'm thinking of putting a 3rd party mail-order
drive in there.

I'm pretty much up on the ADS, what I could use are RECOMMENDATIONS.  In
the ca. $250-350 range, ca. 80+Mb, whaddya like?

Ted

Theodore Allan (Ted) Morris, University of Cincinnati Medical Center,
513-558-0177V, 558-0758F, MORRIS@UCUNIX.SAN.UC.EDU, MORRISTA@UC.EDU, 
NTS WB8VNV.  Call me up and I'll talk data to ya!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: Powerbook slowdown after 5 seconds of inactivity
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.174406.13332@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bdugan@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bill Dugan) writes:
>Using my Powerbook 140, I notice after about 5 to 10 seconds of not moving
>the mouse or typing, the system slows down.  This is not powering down the
>hard disk or sleeping; the system just slows down.  It is most apparent
>when I run SSI's "Secret of the Silver Blades," which is a poor IBM port,
>and it's scrolling some text by and it will be scrolling merrily along and
>suddenly slow.  If I move the mouse (ok, trackball) around the text
>immediately speeds up, then slows again after about 5-10 seconds of not
>moving it.
>
>Is this documented anywhere?  Can I turn it off or modify it if I wish?
>
>Thanks
>
>bill
>-- 
>Bill Dugan
>bdugan@gnu.ai.mit.edu


This phenomenon is called "Rest Mode" and it is documented in the manual.
When the PB detects a lack of activity, it turns power to the processor
on and off.

There are two ways to turn it off :

1) Option-click on the words "Minutes Until Automatic Sleep" in the
Battery control panel. A dialog will appear allowing you to turn off
Rest mode. The dialog also describes rest mode operation.

2) Get the Rest mode on/off utilities from Compuserve. These small apps
can be installed in the Apple menu folder. Executing them will turn 
rest mode on or off. (MACSYS forum, library 8, filename PBREST.SIT)


BTW, the manual should be read; at least skimmed. There is a lot of
good stuff in there.

Regards,
Tom Karches
karches@utdallas.edu
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From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Help on repairing Mac SE, please!
Keywords: SIMMs, ROM, logic board
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

This is more of the same problem I posted about last week.  Only got one
response then - thanks to Dana - so I've been going pretty blind since then
but have made some progress.  But I'm stuck again.

BTW, this problem came about because of an apparent power surge that hit
the Mac about two weeks ago.  Actually, there were three from what I was
told (it isn't my Mac).

The SE came up with the sad Mac and an error code which indicated
that SIMM 2 was bad.  I swapped SIMMs 1&2 and the new code indicated SIMM 1
was bad, so I felt pretty confident that was the problem (or a problem).
I removed SIMMs 1&2 and replaced them with 256K SIMMs (all four were 1 MB),
bringing the machine down to 2.5 MB.  Now I get a checkerboard pattern on
the screen AND a happy Mac.  This confuses me because in Larry Pina's book,
he refers to a straight checkerboard pattern as being representative of a
ROM problem but he doesn't say anything about a happy Mac.  In addition, I
tried pressing down on the ROM chips and they seem to be in as far as they
can go.

My main questions are:
1) Does the checkerboard with happy Mac indicate something else?
2) Could one or more of the ROMs be bad?  How easy is it to find
 replacements?
3) Could the SE be unhappy that the 256K SIMMs are in slots 1&2 instead of
 3&4?  I can check this tonight but if someone knows the technical details,
 I'd appreciate it.

Anything else that anyone can suggest will be greatly appreciated.  I've
been trying to do this repair for a friend who owns the Mac but has no
money for a quoted $350 logic board repair at a local store, and she certainly
can't afford a new computer.  Thanks VERY much in advance.
--
 == Mike Machnik                     Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
 == 508-294-2177                     300 Concord Road   MA30-836A     ==
 == mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com      Billerica, MA 01821              ==
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: chgarnett@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: HP II Plus: Good or Bad?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.001350.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>, g1400050@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
> Is the HP II Plus a good printer for my SE/30? I want to print graphs,
> charts ect...using Excel 3.0, Cricket, MSWord 5.0 Superpaint 2.0.
> 
> The printer I have my eye on:
> 	HP II Plus, 1.5 Meg Ram, AppleTalk and a Postscript cartridge.
> 

Unless this is a used IIp Plus and it dirt cheap, it's a bad move
compared to the IIIp. The IIIp will only run you about $100 more, and
you get the neat-o Resolution Enhancement technology, also known as
FinePrint in the IIf and IIg. 

The other thing to watch out for: LaserJets of all varieties (except the
IIIsi, which is a god of a printer) are slow printing PostScript. We
bought a standard LJIII and tossed in the PostScript cartridge, the
AppleTalk interface, and 4 meg of memory, and it was unbearably slow
for Illustrator and PageMaker stuff, and even straight text was
noticeably slower than our old LaserWriter II NT. 

How much is all that going to cost you? The educational price of a
Personal LaserWriter NTR is around $1400US, and it'll fly.

-Craig
From: peter_chen@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Peter M Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LPS105 vs. Maxtor 120
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:42:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University

In article <62924@cup.portal.com>, lumpy@cup.portal.com (Larry E Woodard) writes:
> 
> It has been my experience that the Maxtor 120 is a tad flakey (shame, because
> the 200 I have is a star).  I have run through 3 of these drives this month
> befor I got one that ran for an extended period.  Problem with teh Quantum 
> right now is that they are hevily allocated (shortage), and prices and 
> delivery times are growing as a result.  Perhaps you can find one of the
> Fujitsu 130 drives still?  They have deen discontinued, but are know for 
> their reliability (bulletproof!).
> 
> regards,
> lw
> 
> Maxtor will ship their New 7213 Low Profile Low Power Hard Disk, it's 1"
 high It can fit in the Claasic, LC and IIsi. The Average Access time is 15ms,
The transfer ratio is 1.8Mb/s. APS offers it for $499 for the 
Internal one and $569 for the External One. And MacTown said they will offer
in lower price. The Maxtor 7120 will ship in 3 to 4 weeks.

Peter M Chen
peter_chen@cbis.ece.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mumey@cs.ubc.ca (Brendan Mumey)
Subject: Re: Radius Rocket: where to buy?
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:45:02 GMT

I posted a request a few days ago for information on where to buy
Radius Rockets.  I didn't get many replies but I did manage to track
down a good price on a Radius Rocket 33 on my own.  Mac Depot has them
for $1999.  Their number is 1-800-222-2808.  No surcharge for credit cards
either.

Brendan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kokkos@orion.rm.fccc.edu (Nick Kokkos)
Subject: MacSE memory upgrade
Organization: The Fox Chase Cancer Center
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:10:18 GMT

	Hello everyone. I was wondering if someone can help me with a problem I have
been having with my macSE recently. A friend of mine upgraded his Macsi from 
5 Meg to 17 Meg so he gave me the 4-1 Meg SIMMS he took out from his Macsi. So
I went on and upgraded my MacSE from 1 Meg to 4 Meg.
	Now here's the problem : When I turn on the MacSE everything works fine such as
running programs, copingetc, but when the Mac becomes idle for about 1 minute and then
I try move the mouse or type something on the keyboard, a system error occurs. I installed
Macsbug and tried everything all over again and when a system error occured Macsbug
reported an address error. Can someone help? Do you think it's a SIMM problem or
do you think I have "destroyed" the logic board while I was upgrading the MacSE? 
	Anything would extremely extremely helpful. Thanks in advance..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo)
Subject: Re: Where is Price Club? (yes, but WHERE IS IT?)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:34:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <oeP1r4S00WBMQ2_WAo@andrew.cmu.edu>, lc0v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Luis
Abdon Cifuentes) wrote:
rent number.  I dont know about the second one.
>  
> I called the first number. Yes, it is Price Club, but NO, they don't
> carry Apple computers yet. They carry Dell and Leading Edge. Where did
> you get your information from?
> 
> Luis

According to the 7/13/92 edition of MacWeek, the PB100 4/40 will start
appearing at the Price Club "in a few weeks".

-tony


>>usual disclaimer<<
From: ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donpaul C. Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: System 7.1
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:55:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AePFFS_00WBKQ0o5Vp
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Ok, when's it coming anybody have a clue?

Donpaul C. Stephens
***************************************
Ross Perot in '92
    - the only candidate that realizes the govn't needs fixed...not tweaked
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^ Windom Earle ^ )
Subject: Moving a Laserwriter LS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:07:04 GMT

I will be moving my Personal Laserwriter LS in the near future and
was wondering if I need to take any precautions.  Do I have to remove the
toner cartridge before I move it anything????

Thanks.
-- 
^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfield
greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: tomo@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: educ. prices on IIsi (was Re: ? About Expanding the IIsi)
Date: 23 Jul 1992 15:54:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu




The price I've seen is $1500 for a 5/80 si (through educational discount).
And not long ago the Plus was selling for that...



Tomo
tomo@ocf.berkeley.edu
All I know is what I hear - and I don't hear so good....


From: Mark.J..Sisson@p842.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Mark J. Sisson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: LaCie hard drives
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:08:41 -0500

  HW> If anyone has had experience with LaCie external hard drives, your
  HW> thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated.  I am in the market
  HW> to purchase a 100M- class drive for my IIcx, and have read a lot of
  HW> literature proclaiming LaCie drives as one of the best available.  I
  HW> called LaCie, and their 100MB external is selling for $469.  Does
  HW> anyone know of any other reliable (Quantum based!) external drives at
  HW> this size that beat that price? Also, are LaCie products only sold
  HW> direct from the company, like it seems, or do any of the mail-order
  HW> houses carry them? Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions.
 Hugh: Despite what others might say,I think buying direct from LaCie is fine (I
bought my external 100 ZFP that way and I'm very pleased with it). The only
other thing I would say is use Alliance Power Tools to format it and NOT
Silverlining (which is what it is formatted with as shipped.) Hope this
helps-Mark S.