HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The most annoying war...
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:54:21 GMT
Reply-To: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: geurink@dopey.cc.utexas.edu

OK, folks... picture this...

	It's a future time in two alternate universes; a titanic galactic
mishap throws each of those universes' most aggressive, hostile races
against one another.  I think it'd go something like this...

	Dalek Leader:  SURRENDER AT ONCE.  FAIL TO DO SO AND YOU WILL BE
			EXTERMINATED!

	Borg Commander:  Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.

	Legion of Daleks:  EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!!!

	Ship o'Borgs:  A-SSIM-IL-ATE!!!!

	ASSIMILATE!  EXTERMINATE!  ASSIMILATE!  EXTERMINATE!
	(Zap!  Pow!  Kerfratz!  Ererererererer!  WHEEEeeeeeoooooop!)

	Q:  I'm getting a headache already! (Waves hand.  Everything
		disappears.)  Much better.

	(a blue police box materializes next to the relaxing entity. a
		funny-looking man and woman wearing animal-skins step out)

	Doctor:  Hello!  I'm the Doctor!  I say, have you perchance seen
		a rather nasty race of armored pepper-pots roaming hereabouts?
		Hmmmm?

	Q:  Oh, it's another of you bothersome beings from that other 
		dimension.  (Sighs)  Well, if you must know....

	(A sparkling light display occurs between the DOCTOR and Q.  When it
		ends,  three people in funny suits are standing there.)

	Riker:  Q!  I should have known!  Allright -- where are the Borg?
		We know they were down here!

	(WORF spots LEELA and growls menacingly.  He's rather startled when
		she growls back...)

	Q:  If you'll let me explain...

	Doctor:  (to DATA)  Hello!  I'm the Doctor!

And so on and so forth.  Whatta mess...

		What a boring night...
			Josh Geurink, CVE

email me!  aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu  (ignore the header.  I NEVER use
this account.)
From: plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Where are the VULCANS on TNG ???
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory


just wondering...

Where are the Vulcans on ST:TNG? I've just started watching it recently
and I've only seen one. (And HE was paunchy(sp?), overweight and generally
not very dignified for a being of such a noble race.) I liked Spock
very much in TOS but they don't even have a science station now.
I've picked up some references to an episode called 'Unification'. Is Spock
in this? Does anyone know why we don't see Vulcans anymore? 
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:42:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov10.193552.28757@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.073856.11079@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
>>I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir

>
>>
>>
>>Troi and Worf discuss the plans for the shutout, when Annie returns with
>>parts that Worf requested.  Within 1.5 hrs, Worf creates, from a
>>communicator, a very temporary shield that should block one bullet from
>>Mr. Hollander, but only one.  They leave for the shoot out.
>>
[dots deleted]
>
>>The streets are mighty empty as the son and Worf get to their predefined spot.
>>Mr. Hollander enters, with Alex, and stares intently.  Worf releases the
>>son, Hollander Alex, but in mid-path, Hollander draws and yells at his son
>>to duck.  Worf quickly activates his shield which reflects the 6 shots from
>                                                                ^^^^^^
>
I thought he said it would be active for about 15 seconds.. don't remember
anything said about the number of shots it would deflect.

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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: A childish episode in ways.  Rascals (Spoilers)
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 05:58:50 GMT


Now, now, little children shouldn't be reading this if you
haven't seen the episode......


OK, I'll take it you have.

You know, there's been a lot of netnews back and forth,
"Well, I loved the episode because of the fine acting"
and "Well, I hated the episode because of the idiocy
in the technicalities" and so on.  And both sides
are convinced that the other is wrong.
The problem I had with this episode was that they
seemed to concentrate so much on dialogue, so much
on characterization, that the plot got buried completely.
I have seen Star Trek episodes, both old and new, that
have carried off beautiful characterization and acting
without bad plots.  TOS had "Amok Time" and "For the
World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky" (I know
many people don't liek that one, but I do) and TNG
has episodes like "Data's Day", "The Inner Light"
and so on.  
Yes, the writing was wonderful.  The acting of
the kids was superb.  But what of the technical stuff?
What the heck were Guinan (of all people), Roh, Keiko
and Picard doing on a shuttlecraft?  Where'd the energy
bolt come from?  Why 12 years old?  How the hell did
Worf miss?  Why did young Picard have such a strong accent?
How come the federation now basically has an anti-aging
device?  
The acting would give this episode a 10.  The fact
that the child actors really gave the impression through
the lines that the adults would and the wonderful interaction
between "Dad" Riker and young Picard were priceless.  But
the plot, technicalities, general unlikeliness and silliness
bring it down to, say, a 5 or 6 out of 10.  Watchable.  But
not a classic......

Marc Wasserman
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu

-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
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From: dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tartikoff leaving Paramount: what effect on trek?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:22:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1d6pdfINNr92@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.001724.9189@mic.ucla.edu> scott@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (scott evans) writes:
>>new powers that will be would get going on a script that Bill has written.
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Is this really such a good idea?  When you consider how bad ST5 was
>and that ST6 was such a nice closure, WHY do an ST7, ESPECIALLY with William
>Shatner writing it?


Considering that the best of the odd numbered movies is worse than the
worst of the even numbered movies, ST7 sounds like  a bad omen.


-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Lament. A big damned Lament.
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.721410493
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1239@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
[Re: Rascals]
>Not only that, but where did the 40% reduction of mass go? When they "grew
>up", where did the transporter get the mass back?

Paramount's prop warehouse, maybe? :-) :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:36:58 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard and the readyroom
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK
Keywords: 
I've finally worked it out - when Picard is in his ready room he's
always looking at some information on his personal terminal - guess
what he's reading?........r.a.s.c and other newsgroups!!

By the 24th century only high ranking star-fleet officers are allowed
to read the news net, this is to avoid too many people posting
incorrect information that could violate the prime directive in some
obscure way (it was decided that *spoiler* protection just simply
wasn't enough).

Mark
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:58:09 GMT

In <1992Nov6.012425.13371@polari> thespis@polari.online.com writes:


>In the episode "Who Watches the Watchers" (title corrections 
>grudgingly welcome) in which the primitive people think that our
>favorite CO is The Picard, a deity, didn't Picard vehemently make the
>point that religion was just a nasty superstition which these nice
>people could well do without?

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>NO CLEVER FOOTER

I *CERTAIN* that Jean-Lucy Ricardo (those of you who've read STARWRECK
should recognize them name!) would never use those words. Our captain
would never take a stand on ANYTHING! (Except when lecturing to Q.)

He said superstition was a thing they could do without. I guess he meant
that Picard was a nasty thing that they could do without! We could too!
Captain Riker for the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE!!!

Alan Bick
From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RASI - DEAD OR ALIVE?
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:48:20 GMT

...the title says it all. Jim, what's the deal with the traffic?

                                                OM
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Dream Seasons"
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:36:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.9236
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.192826.44449@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:


> 	Whenever I see some episode that simple doesn't fall in line with 
> the true spirit of the Next Generation (as viewed by me, of course), I throw
> it off as a "Dream."

The entire TNG is a "Dream" of Bob Newhart's making.  Just wait till they
show him waking up and saying "I shouldn't have pickles before bed".

Terry
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVII: Kill Kirk !
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxMJDy.7o3
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxK5Ju.2x2@cosy.sbg.ac.at>, bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at (B. Jellinek) writes...
>the subject says it all:

>i feel that kirk character has failed to grow old with dignity. since
>STIII i can only pity him. just think of the beginning of STV, where
>he tries to climb that rock. it's really just sad.

     Well, what about ST V  _isn't_ sad?  I don't think that goes
     to a bad aging of the character.  I think he's aged wonderfully -
     in fact, I think that his aging has brought layers of Kirk to
     the front that never even existed in the TV series (okay, that's
     stating the obvious).

     In TWOK, Kirk grapples with his mid-life crisis, with the
     certainty that he is no longer useful, and is proven -
     tragically - wrong.  He _is_ still useful.

     TUC reverses this.  An essentially retired Kirk is drafted
     for a mission that goes against everything he believes in,
     a mission that if accomplished would usher in a new generation
     as alien to Kirk as any bug-eyed monster, a mission that when
     accomplished will create many new roles... but eliminate many
     others.  Kirk knows that if he is successful there will be no
     place for him in the new generation.  He must give up his 
     active role in things and retire to the pages of history.

     In many ways, it is the hardest decision he has ever had
     to make - much harder than letting Edith be killed, or
     letting the Enterprise be destroyed, for examples.  He's
     letting James T Kirk be destroyed.

     That's a hell of a heroic thing to do... and looked at
     in the correct way, it's just Kirk allowing himself - finally -
     to be an old man.  

>so my proposal is: kill him off. Let him die like a hero.

     He's done better than die like a hero.  He's relinquished
     his role as a hero - because each generation has its own
     ideas about what constitutes a hero - BUT REMAINED ALIVE.
     For Kirk, dying is the easy way out... and he was never one
     to choose the easy way out, if memory serves.

>make it better than Ripley in Alien 3. better than Kahn.
>Then let Spock speak at the burial. 

     To my mind, it's just about impossible to craft a more heroic
     and moving death than Ripley's...


>    Brigitte

                 "It's about time somebody took  rape
                  And molestation  away from the talk
                  Show Circuit and put it back in our
                  Nightmares, where it  b e l o n g s."
                      -Buffalo News Critic Jeff Simon  
                       ______________in his review of
                       TWIN PEAKS - FIRE WALK WITH ME.
                                         Scott Gorcey.
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: New TNG Action Figures are now in stores
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:35:06 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I went on a shopping spree today at Target and can you believe I 
almost *missed* their display of the new Playmates TNG action figures?
The back of the package lists 10: Picard, Riker, Data, LaForge, Worf,
Troi, Ferengi, Romulan, Borg, and Gowran the Klingon. Why there's no
Crusher figure, I don't know. They had already sold out of the Borg &
Romulan. A stock clerk there said the Troi figure wouldn't be out
until December.

While rumaging through the packages to make sure I got one of everybody,
I scored a coup! On one package labeled "Gowran the Klingon", what was
actually packaged was....Worf! I wonder how many of these goofs they
made (not too many, I hope--it'll be that much more valuable :-).).


-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Future Q episodes.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:09:45 GMT



Sometime last year I thought I read something about a 
"Deuling Q's" episode does anyone know if this has 
been canned?

Wasn't there also some metion of Swartznegger(sp) doing
a guest spot?

If they were going to do it it seems that it would have 
to be this year cause of the questionable 7th season.

AS
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:35:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov11.201544.8075@williams.edu>, 92bbb@williams.edu (Bradford Behr) writes:

> If I recall correctly from the episode "Datalore", Data was purposely
> made to speak in a halting (no contractions) fashion, so that people
> could tell he was not human and wouldn't feel as threatened by him.

Let's face it:  Data was constructed from spare parts in a hurry.  He was
designed for one purpose -- to be a recepticle of memories.  That's why
he's called Data.  It's amazing that he's good for more than a glorified
file server! ;-)

His creator didn't even bother to put pigment into his skin the way Data
put pigment into his "daughter" when Data constructed her.  Yea, it's sad
to think about it, but Data is just scraped togther from what "junk" his
creator had sitting in his basement.

Gee... I hope that's not true about US! 

Terry
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  05-Nov-1992 0842)
Subject: Re: James Kirks' middle-name!?!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 05:42:55 PST
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fjs@magna.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno) writes about the "James R. Kirk" name
on the tombstone in the early TOS episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which
is at odds with Kirk's established middle initial "T" for "Tiberius".  He asks:

> Please, could somebody tell me what the hell is going on??

Easy.  That episode was produced in 1965, long before TOS went into its 
regular run.  By the time the full name "James T. Kirk" came into use, the
tombstone was forgotten.  It was only later that astute fans caught the
discrepancy.

Incidentally, the middle name "Tiberius" was not established until several 
years after the 1969 cancellation of TOS.  It was first mentioned on screen 
in a 1974 animated episode, "BEM", written by David Gerrold.  The only other 
filmed mention of "Tiberius" was in the 1991 ST:TUC movie.  Many of the Pocket 
Books novels include Tiberius in their text as well, but they are not official.

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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lists of Lists ftp site
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 22:16:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

A good source for the lists of lists and other periodic postings is the
ftp.uu.net site.  24 hours a day acess even.
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: fish tank question
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:56:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

To us, the fish tank is pretty.

To the Ferengi, is it a strange device for which
there seems to be NO PROFIT.   How can it have
NO PROFIT?  What is its secret?

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
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From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: Picard's head
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov02.123934.11549@edsi.plexus.COM>, chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi) writes:
|> mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Mike Wagner) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> :): I can't believe they let him act on this show without hair.  Sheesh.
|> :): They should put a skirt on his head or something.
|> 
|> :)at least a rug....
|> 
|> In the 24th century everyone is supposed to be accepted for who he/she
|> is.  A rug would be covering up something cosmetically which wouldn't go
|> with that philosophy.

Oh, I don't know... A nice handmade oriental might just be the thing that
gets Picard all the babes. After all, that satellite dish that Guinan wears
seems to get Worf's 'nads pumping...

-- 
Dave Waller
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Sux
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <johnsh-111192151401@mustang.stu.rpi.edu> johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:
|* if the Big E was used to its full potential every time and always won,
|there wouldn't be very many interesting stories to tell.  "Stardate 5
|billion: the Enterprise has yet again demolished everything in its path,
|just like last time." Would get boring after a while.  The fun is watching
|our favorite crew use their smarts -- instead of their arsenals -- to get
|out of snares.

Even the biggest of fighters take hits here and there.  Yeah, it'd be
boring if all they did was fire one phaser strike and the enemy blew up
but that's not what we're asking for here.  Okay, it's a little far
fetched that Ferengi take over the Enterprise, but it COULD happen.
All we ask is that it look a little more realistic.  Have Riker fire
a few more phasers and a photon or two.  Have Worf actually take out
a few Ferengi before getting overwhelmed and taken out himself.  We
have no problem about the Enterprise being taken over, as long as they've
put up a decent fight.  In "Rascals", it was just too damn easy.

|* too many battle scenes would destroy the ST:TNG budget.  Special FX are
|big bucks, and if they focused every story on some big battle in space,
|there wouldn't be any money left for other production costs.

Too few battle scenes will destroy the ST:TNG audience.  Big budget, great
"funny" episodes, and no audience.  Who wins?  Not EVERY show has to be
about space battles, but this IS Star Trek, isn't it?  Shouldn't a few have
to do with space battles?  Personally, I could have stomached "A Fistful of
Datas" a little better if it hadn't immediately followed "Rascals".  I liked
"Rascals", I thought it was fun.  I probably would have liked "A Fistful
of Datas" too, but two "fun" stories in a row just doesn't work for me.
What happened to "Exploring strange new worlds"?  When was the last time?

|Just my $0.02.

And mine as well...

|Hugh W. Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu)
|Rensselaer Polyethylene Institute
|Troy, New York

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascal thoughts (finally)
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:34:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

First off, I want to say that those of you with satellite dishes and otherwise
stations which air TNG a week ahead of the rest of the world make me sick!
Not for what you may think, but because I have a satellite dish at home, but
since I'm at school most of the regular season, I don't even get cable.

Anyway, enough of my griping.  Oh yeah, spoilers for "Rascals" (not that you
guys need them or anything)












< spoiler alert >  <ship in danger>  < turn back now >  <yikes!>










Okay,  here's what I thought:

STUPID!! STUPID!! STUPID!!

What were they thinking?  The performances of the children were good (although
why the young Picard and every other character from France that's ever been on
the show must have an English accent totally escapes me), but they were caught
in a boring, poorly written, and poorly executed plot.  (Actually, plot may be
too strong of a word.)  However, I did like Picard's one line about his
thoughts about returning to the Academy, "Yeah, and be Wesley Crusher's
roommate!"  THAT was hysterical.  But as for the rest of it, I was just
anxious to get to next-weeks preview.  Then I sighed.  What are they doing to
this show?



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