From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: The Mendacity of Gordon Storga
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:31:53 GMT

In <1992Oct11.151550.3585@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:

>In article <nyikos.718489686@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:

>[140+ lines of Peter talking about how offended Peter is about Gordon's
>posts deleted.]

>>
>>Finally, I continue to be deeply offended by the cavalier way in which 
>>Storga dismisses the possible suffering of very real fetuses by 
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>As opposed to the very real suffering of very real pregnant women, you
>twit.

Such chutzpah, calling me a twit.  I am much more concerned about
women than you seem to be, judging from the following exchange 
between us:

>>Nyikos
>Cochran
nothing in margin: Nyikos

[from a post along the thread, "THE SUFFERING OF SOME UNBORN AND 
THEIR MOTHERS. Case 1", set off by rows of #######]

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>>I would like to take this opportunity to say that on Thursday, I and
>>several other pro-lifers saw a young Black woman who was very angry
>>over her treatment by an abortionist who does thousands of abortions
>>each year, including hundreds of USC students.  

>Um, and just what were "You and several other pro-lifers" doing that caused
>you to meet this "young Black woman"?

Were you authorized by the Lady High Executioner to interrogate me?

But seriously, folks, Sledovatel Cochran will get his answer below, though
not necessarily the one he may have been hoping for.

>>She was angry because the abortion he gave her a few weeks ago had
>>been incomplete.  She had gone into shock, suffered extensive 
>>bleeding.  She was treated at a hospital where they removed the
>>remaining products of pregnancy.  

>One of the possible complications of an abortion, which is why all women
>who obtain one are supposed to do a follow-up visit with their doctor to
>ensure that they are healthy.

I wouldn't wish a follow-up to this particular abortionist on my worst
enemy.  He is the same one who butchered my friend in the COERCED 
ABORTION post, from which the following excerpt (between rows of
asterisks) is taken.

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	Soon the screams of the other patients got to her, and as her 
turn came, she announced that she had changed her mind and wanted to
go.  Instead she was forced to her back and her abort/gynecologist
began to go to work on her.  

	Repeatedly she screamed, "Let me go! Don't kill my baby!"  
"That's just the anesthetic talking through you.
You'll thank me when this is over," he responded, and he completed the
procedure, as the value-free terminology goes.

	Correction: the abortion was an incomplete one.  
Bits of the fetus were left inside her womb, so that, despite her 
taking antibiotics as prescribed, she developed pelvic inflammatory
disease and passed out while visiting her in-laws in Charlotte.
She was rushed to a hospital and, upon discharge, was told to call
the abortionist on returning to Columbia. She did, and he avoided her,
saying things like, "That's not my problem." and "Go to an emergency room."

	She divorced and remarried.  More than ten years have passed, 
and despite having a loving husband and children,
she still has recurring nightmares of hearing a screaming baby and
finding a bassinet full of blood.
.
.
.
	The story I have just related is a matter of public record,
given in testimony before a four-man subcommittee
of the SC Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this year.
	["Four-man" is not sexist: there were indeed women on the
Judiciary Committee, but they all excused themselves because they
had other legislative business to attend to.]

			*********************

And, BTW, I have been very careful to give only such details as she
presented during the testimony.  The State Senators did not 
interrogate her, but they thanked her very respectfully for 
coming forward as she did.

>>She had gone back to the abortionist to get her money back.  He was
>>very rude to her, saying "No freebies."

>Proof?  Or speculation?

Her word for it.  While she was talking to one of the women 
with me, she kept repeating, "Can I get my money back?"

>>Not only was this adding insult to injury, but we are afraid he might
>>do her further "injury".  You see, he left the abortion clinic even
>>before she did, at a time long before he usually leaves.  We are 
>>afraid he has filed an incident report accusing her of harrassing him.

>Proof?  Or speculation?  And again, what were "You and several other pro-
>lifer's" doing at the clininc that allowed you to encounter this woman?

Sledovatel Cochran, I answer this question not for you but for the other
people reading this.  Again, from the COERCED ABORTION post:

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	Today my friend takes turns with several other women
walking the sidewalk in front of the clinic where the outrage was
was committed, telling their stories to any potential patient willing to
listen to them.  If they so much as set foot in the parking lot, they
risk arrest for trespassing.  Even on the sidewalk they are not safe:
one of them was chased by the abortionist himself, all the way into
an office of a doctor in a neighboring building.  [She could have him
convicted for assault, but she has a sick mother who would be too
upset by the subsequent legal quagmire.]

			****************************

As for me, I was there to observe, and also make sure the abortionist
would not pull such a stunt again.  You see, one of the women with
me was the one who had been chased.

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[Recall, we were talking about Storga trivializing the very real, in 
some cases, suffering of unborn children in abortion]

>>comparing it to the "suffering" of mythical creatures, 
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Um, you mean like that mythical creature "Jesus Chris"? 

There is nothing mythical about Jesus Christ 
[Greek version of Yehoshua Messiah, known in his lifetime as 
Yehoshua Bar-Yusif]
although there is an enormous amount of controversy over whether 
certain things attributed to him are mythical.

> Or what
>mytichal creatures are we talking about here?

You suggest you REALLY forgot this little exchange between me and Gordon!?
Stop playing dumb, Keith.

>>>Indeed.  I suggest you take that advice.  The suffering of the mythical
>>>"unborn baby" is on par with the "suffering" of the mythical Mermaid by the
>>>pollution of the oceans, or the "suffering" of mythical Pink Elephants
>>>that die in car crashes with drunk drivers.
>
>>If Suzanne chooses to regard a fetus as an unborn baby, her choice should
>>not be trivialized in this manner.

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