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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: AMOS
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:46:29 EST
Organization: Penn State University

>In article <Bxt9zr.JCx@unx.sas.com>, walker@twix.unx.sas.com (Doug Walker)    :
>says

>>In article <1e41q2INNne0@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert
>>Fentiman)
>>writes:
>>|> the commodities.  As with ANY language, these properties that you
>>|> describe are code dependant.  I could write a C program that would not
>>|> allow what you have said.  Does that make C bad?  I am fairly positive
>>|> many (if not all) of what you have suggested can be implemented in an AMOS
>>|> program.  Everything I have stated IS TRUE to the extent of my
>>|> knowledge.  For answers to these questions, ask a more experienced AMOS
>>|> user.

>>The point is that with AMOS it's not totally code dependant.  AMOS
>>has a run-time portion which is always the same.  I don't know much

 This is true. You have the same effect in C when you use standard
 libraries; the program inherits bugs from the library. The difference is
 that C libraries are very bare-bones, and are generally known to be
 more or less bug-free (because of their simplicity).

>>about AMOS, but the claim these guys are making is that this run-time
>>portion disables multitasking and steals the input stream from
>>Intuition.  Since you don't control the run-time portion with your
>>code, this would imply that ALL programs written in AMOS do this.

 For the last time, AMOS does not disable multitasking. It is legitimate
 task under Exec, does NOT poke the autovectors, etc. It is, however,
 an alternative GUI -- it doesn't use Intuition and makes minimal use of
 graphics.lib. This is not surprsing, because AMOS uses the Amiga
 hardware to its fullest, which cannot be done under Intuition/graphics.

>>If this is true, AMOS is indeed a toy language and not suitable for
>>any serious application.  Please, if any more experienced AMOS users
>>are around, let us know if the above statements are true - as I said,
>>I've never used AMOS.

 AMOS is a toy langauge in the sense that it's not used to produce
 commercial software (at least none that I know of). But then every
 language except C/asm is a toy language by that definition.


>>As a side question, is AMOS a compiled or interpreted BASIC?  If it's
>>interpreted, that reduces its usefulness for commercial products, but
>>wouldn't affect its usefulness for personal applications or PD
>>projects.

 It's interpreted AND compiled. (i.e. a compiler is available).
 I would call that the best of both worlds. :-)



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From: adamkp@rs6223.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Are there any good Techno mods out there?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:47:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.kfy155m
Reply-To: adamkp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnitute

I deleted my mods directory by accident, and i lost about 100 mods, so I'm 
trying to get some new ones, but havent a clue as to which are good, etc...
if you guys/girls no of some really excellent ones, email me, or post if
yu want....  I'd really like techno, hardcore, and a few rock ones, but
actuallu anything that sounds good.    Thanks a lot.


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From: jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: 6502 assembler/disassembler for amiga?
Keywords: 6502 amiga pinball
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:18:57 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov23.152429.8979@rtsg.mot.com> earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl) writes:
>looking for any sort of 6502 assembler/disassembler for my commodore

from the fish listings:

As6502                     92  73   J. Van Ornum; Amiga port by Joel Swank
Dis6502                   170  127  Robert Bond, Amiga port by Udi Finkelstein 

there you go.


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From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:37:19 GMT
Organization: IDK/Frontec - System Design Group

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
[...] 
> Basically, I'm asking.. what allows a UNIX to coredump, and relativeily,
> what does Amiga LACK that won't let it coredump w/o crashing?

Memory protection.

		-- Bjorn

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From: siera@imada.ou.dk (Soeren Berg Hansen)
Subject: Re: Amiga TeX
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:26:47 GMT

n article <Bxux1x.Gso@dcs.ed.ac.uk> jaxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jon Hanson) writes:
 
>Does anyone know whether TeX is available for the Amiga (I think I heard it was), and
>if so is it PD/shareware/or commercial (how much)? Also what hardware does it require
>?
I can recomend the package called PasTeX. It include 
s a package of macros and other things that you might need. It is public domain and is written by some
German dude. I think you can find it on amiga.physik.unizh.ch under /amiga/text/tex (not sure though, write me if not, and I'll look it up!)
>Cheers, Jon.
You're welcome, Soeren.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Vhat? No flickerfixer in A4k? Vhat ees thees?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:14:27 GMT

In article <tpang.721974222@sfu.ca> tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang) writes:
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>True, the A4000 has no flicker-fixer hack, but it does have something much
>>better called the AGA chipset and the 3.0 system software.  The reason that
>>they did not put one in the A4000 is that it is not only an expensive part,
>>it is also a hack which has some problems.
>
>I don't see any big problem on my A3000. My monitor overscans correctly.

The problems are with the half-line flicker and the breakup of the pointer
when it is moved.

>>The A4000's method of flicker-fixing in software and hardware has several
>>advantages over the A3000 approach.  First, the annoying 1/2 line flicker
>>is gone, as is the jitter when a pointer is moved quickly.  Also, every
>>screen is centered properly on the display and looks better than the A3000
>>does when using the same monitor.
>
>So when you are using a HiResInterlace mode, what is the output hor. 
>frequency? Does it interlace? If it is not de-interlaced, then I'd imagine 
>flicker exists.

I am using dblNTSC High Res No Flicker.  The resolution is 640x400, with
676x473 in overscan.  The horizontal frequency is 29.2kHz and the vertical
frequency is 59Hz.  The Multiscan Productivity mode is 640x480, with 31.44kHz 
horizontal and 60Hz vertical frequencies.  The Euro 72Hz Productivity mode
has 640x400 resolution, with 31.43kHz horizontal and 70Hz vertical.

>What method the A4000 treats the interlace mode in 640x400 for example? This
>is the mode I use most, with overscan.

Every screen is promoted to a non-interlaced dblNTSC mode, including badly
written software such as DPaint IV.

>>A word to the wise: Don't listen to what MB and others might say.  They 
>>have shown time and again that they are not only annoying, they are also 
>>just plain ignorant of the facts.
>> 
>I know the AGA outputs the 640x400 in 31kHz, non-interlaced, thus the mode
>promotion. May be you just didn't mention that mode. And I have thought
>all along it was done with flicker fixing circuit!

No flicker-fixer, just native AGA and the 3.0 OS.

>David Tse

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: Todd_Lewis@unc.edu (Todd M. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a good text formatter
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:15:48 GMT
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology

In article <mwm.2q4h@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us  
(Mike Meyer) writes:
>In <1992Nov19.152506.20418@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Todd_Lewis@unc.edu (Todd M.  
Lewis) wrote:
>> Will it do 10- 12- and 15-chars per inch correctly?  At 6 and 8 lines per
>> inch? 
>
>I haven't tried it, but it sure looks like it. Page setup includes 6/8
>lines per inch, and pica/elite/condensed pitches, and the page you
>work on changes sizes to match as you toggle them.

Acktph!  I want all three sizes on the same page.  Gee, even Microsoft
Word v1.0 for the PC could do that.  (Where is my old Transformer(tm)
anyway?)  I've been putting off writing a word processor a long time.
Hope I can hold out a little longer.

>	<mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.text.tex
From: stud16@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kurt Haenen)
Distribution: world
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 16:14:14 +01
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Subject: Re: PasTex 1.3, e(e)pic and Showdvi problem

In article <BXV875.93G@GABRIEL.KEELE.AC.UK>, u0g78@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I am currently trying to put together a document using PasTeX1.3 (on my
> Amiga 500). It includes several e(e)pic pictures, that were created using
> fig.
>
> The .fig files were converted to .tex files, by using:
>
> fig2dev -L epic file.fig file.tex, and/or
> fig2dev -L eepic file.fig file.tex
>
> Now, when it comes to previewing them on my Amiga, I get lots of:
> "Found no special program" messages, unless I am first running SpecialHost,
> in which case everything previews fine.
>
> Of couse, I can now no longer print/preview the .dvi file here at university
> as they do not have an equivalent special host program. (Indeed Latex'd
> files including xfig figs do not print properly if they contain circles, or
> curves)
>
> I guess looking at the epic, and eepic style files, the problems occur
> because they create /special commands.
>
> Is there any way around this? Or is there a (more) portable e(e)pic style
> file?
>

Yes, use pictex instead of some non-portable way to draw curves.  The
pictex macros can be found in any nice TeX collection and should be
used for drawing REAL circles (not the rounded boxes of LaTeX) and
other curves.  I don't know if the Amiga version of FIG can generate
code for PICTEX, but XFIG (guess for what kind of system) can !

> Martin.
> --
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From: fredness@cup.portal.com (Frederick Armstrong Shaul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SAY strangeness
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:07:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov13.014343.15337@menudo.uh.edu>

> Someone claimed that if you type:
>   1> say Oh Baby...
> the Amiga would say:
>   "Oh baby, I'm so hot!"
> However, this was not true.  It's saying
>   "Oh Baby and so on."

SPEAK still does this today, except is "...." not "..." that causes
"and so on" to be spoken.

- frederick
From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Lemmings II Demo <Where?>
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:19:28 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tanne.uni-paderborn.de

In article <1992Nov14.140153.4808@pro-freedom.cts.com>, eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:
|> > I personally won't touch anymore psygnosis stuff until they implement HD
|> > support for the Amiga.
|> 
|> Exactly so.  If it isn't HD installable, I'm not buying it either.

I would prefer a HD installable version, too. But because the game doesn't do
so much disk i/o I think I can live with that.

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University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: barham@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Betting on an A1800
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:46:14 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

No flames this, just my opinion...

unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
> Just guesswork this, but Commodore seem to have left room for a
> machine between the A1200, and the forthcoming A1500/2000
> replacement.

I think it is probably unlikely.  The A4000 will be coming out with
an '030 version.  What's the point of anything between the A1200's
'020 and that?

> My guess is that at some point, probably next year, a new low cost
> machine (probably called the A1800) will appear at around the 500 -
> 700 pound price mark.

Why "probably called the A1800"?  Do you have inside information?

> It will probably have a 68030 processor, as opposed to the 68020
> processor in the A1200.   To justify the price, a hard drive will
> probably be included, along with an HD drive.

As I said, there will be an '030 version of the A4000.  I kinda look
at it as - A4000/040 replaces A3000, A4000/030 replaces A2000, A1200
replaces A500 and A600 sits down the bottom all alone.  I know the
A4000 is a little beyond the A3000/A2000, but we are a fair ways down
the track from then, hey...

> It makes sense, as this ground (in Britain anyway) is covered by
> the Atari Falcon, and the A1200 is not up to competing with this
> machine.   A low cost 68030 Amiga would.

In what ways doesn't a 1200 compete with a Falcon? Sound - true.  An
A1800 will be no different here to the A1200.  DSP - true.  Again no
difference between A1800 and A1200.  Speed - A1200 architecture
compared to Falcon architecture means that, with some fast mem, the
A1200 should "blow away" the Falcon.  Graphics - heh, not a lot needs
to be said about comparing AGA graphics to Falcon graphics.  What I
am saying is, the A1200 competes very favourably with the Falcon - a
"low cost" '030 wouldn't compete in a better way as it is likely to be
more expensive (even if it is "low cost").

> And such a machine would help against the increasing PC competition
> (over here at least).

The A1200 stacks up pretty good against your 386sx SVGA home machine.
The A4000/040 and /030 machines stack up pretty good against higher
level machine. What else do we need?

>                                                        The beef sandwich.

In what respect are you a beef sandwich? %^)

Tim.
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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: AMOS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:51:03 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <92321.114629DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>  AMOS is a toy langauge in the sense that it's not used to produce
>  commercial software (at least none that I know of). But then every
>  language except C/asm is a toy language by that definition.

You should wake up and check out what people are doing with the tools
you so heavily espouse. I've got commercial software written in AMOS.
And yes, it's as badly behaved as all AMOS programs. Fortunately, it's
a trivially-replaced front-end to the database I actually wanted.
According to other posters here, commercial AMOS software has actually
won a few awards.

	<mike
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:51:52 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> Theft, by definition, implies depriving a person of his physical property

Not necessarily.  Any number of courts have rendered decisions that give
intellectual "property" exactly the same status as physical property.  If
they didn't, we would not need to copyright books, films, magazines, etc.
not to mention tossing out the entire area of patent law.

You seem to be saying that taking a program and then doing absolutely
nothing with it is harmless.  That's probably true... as far as it goes.
Needless to say, few people who pirate programs do so just so they can then
toss them into a box, never to see the light of day.  Much more often, the
program gets used, shared with friends, traded for other "warez", or even
sold... complete with photocopied docs.  :-/


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,sbcs.sbcss
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: LHA for UNIX
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:34:35 GMT


	I cannot extract my lha files from my UNIX account. Does anyone
know where I can get lha for the unix systems?
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From: ee52fcu@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Alex Burmester)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: SEND ME YOUR OPINION/s
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:08:19 GMT
Followup-To: alexb@sybase.com
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	Like many people I have owned an A500 for years, (about7-8)
and lately I really don't use it much more than once every two weeks
for a little word proccessing.  I really can't get excited like I
used to when it comes to animation etc.. since the A500 is just sooo
slow.  I also had basically given up on AMIGA in general because
they seemed to be dead in the water and third parties were only
covering with expensive add-on's.
	So anyways when I saw the adds for the A4000 I actually got
a little excited.  I have always wanted to work with a video toaster
but I have never had the money for either a toaster or a fast
machine.  Well I have a decent job at the moment but It'll be a
while before I can make an investment of $4000 or so for a new
machine.  The thing that got me excited about the A4000 was that I
think that I could have a lot of fun without a video toaster and
after I had it for a while I could possibly invest in a toaster. 
	My concern is how much potetial does this new chip set
really have. (The A500 used to run some lousy software but over the
years, the full potetial was finally realized) And also,  how do you
think the company will do finacially, is this a comeback in the
market or a last ditch effort?   So send me your oppinions and
anything about the A4000 because I'd like to start enjoying Amiga's
again!   
		email  alexb@sybase.com   
						Thanx in adv.
From: bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky)
Subject: Re: Amiga product reviews in BYTE!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:17:38 CST
Organization: Operation Mindcrime

Terje Normann Marthinussen (terjem@stud.cs.uit.no) wrote:
: I have the feeling that BYTE has wanted or has been interested in covering
: Amiga more, but I'm not sure why they haven't.
:
: A though that has touched my mind, is that maybe it's the developers of Amiga
: soft and hardware which hasn't given BYTE information about new products.
:

EXACTLY!!!! Amiga developers must contact Byte and let	them know of their
new product.  Byte has often stated that they are quite willing to cover
any Amiga info THEY RECEIVE.

To all Amiga developers reading this:
-------------------------------------

send your press releases and photos of your product to Byte! What's the
worst thing that can happen? You might actually get mentioned in one of
the most widely read and respected mainstream computer publications.



Anyway, just some thoughts on the subject.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:17066 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:29421
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:33:47 EST
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
Distribution: world
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 <92321.132122DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <mwm.2okb@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>

In article <mwm.2okb@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
(Mike Meyer) says:

>In <92321.132122DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>> In article <mwm.2nmz@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
>> (Mike Meyer) says:
>>
>I guess you'd rather have them write things with lots of pretty lights
>to fascinate the easily amused like you. And not worry about actually
>working with anything else on the system, because nobody really cares
>about doing something usefull with the Amiga.

Well, this isn't all that far from the truth. And for the bazillionth
time, there's nothing immoral about using a computer for FUN, dammit.


>Riiiight. It's not a game unless it's got lots of fast-moving objects
>to keep the very dull amused. Things that actually require thought as
>opposed to ape-like reflexes aren't games.

Different strokes for different folks. Something is strange here, however:
you deride AMOS for being MSDOS-like, and yet there is a much larger
supply of "thinking" games for MSDOS than for the Amiga, which is famous
for arcade games. Hmm...

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