From: gt0071d@prism.gatech.EDU (STOGNER,DARRELL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:55:03 GMT
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Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Oct6.160218.25529@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

>Other than this one play Bowden has not been all that an axiting a play 
>caller. In fact, the last two years have been down right boring to watch as a
>result. Last year all we did was run the ball (*yawn*).

FSU had an experienced offensive line, Edgar Bennett, and Amp Lee.  The only
great receiver, Lawrence Dawsey, had gone pro.  He went with his strengths.
Bowden has always been an innovative play caller.  The year he did beat
Miami (89?), they took on perhaps the best defensive front seven ever, and FSU
still scored 24 points.  As the announcer put it, Bowden so often runs when
you think pass, and passes when you think run.  He also has used the reverse
to great effect in the past.  He hasn't done it lately because he has had no
receiver capable of running it effectively.  Vanover should change that.  He
has gone for 2 more time than I can remeber.  In I think it was the '80
Orange Bowl he went for two against Okalhoma for the win.  FSU would have been
(I think) the only undefeated team that year if they had kicked for the tie.  In
the '86 Miami game he had McManus go for two (and the win).  

>But this is all trivial. Bowden will never win the NC, and I'll tell you why.
>The man has never, and probably will never, put together a complete package
>here at FSU.

As if that is easy.  Not too many teams return 8 starters on both sides of the
ball.  The same defensive line that was pushed all over the field by Miami in
'90 held them to 16 points in '91, and forced them to 3 downs and out about 
75% of the time in '92.  The offensive line that could not keep Miami off 
Ward this year will someday push other teams all over the field.

>By that I mean a solid defense, powerfull offense, and a good
>kicking game. In almost every year that Bowden has coached here at least one
>of those elements has been missing from our game.

>Offense. Bowden has major problems when it comes to offense. In the qb
>mess he has never been able to make a decent decision. For years he started
>a guy by the name of Chip (sheah, right) Ferguson. Plain and simple, this guy
>sucked. He is solely responsible for the making of the "fab four" recievers
>that played here. Why? Because he couldn't throw for shit. Those four guys
>were always having to chase down balls, and make miraculous catches of poorly
>thrown balls. All the while Chip was starting we had a guy with some real 
>talent sitting on the bench...Peter Tom Willis. This guy could throw. However,
>Bowden left him on the bench until his senior year. What a waste. And behind
>Willis was Weldon....another good qb who had to wait till his senior year to 
>make an impact. And now, Ward...probly the best athelete at FSU...and is now
>a junior. We only get two good years out of him. Bowden has got to be one of
>the biggest wasters of talent around

Ferguson followed McManus, correct?  McManus's last year was '87, correct?  In
Ferguson's two year's FSU beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl and Auburn in the
Sugar Bowl.  Willis beat Nebraska in the Fiesta as well, but he also opended
the season with two losses to Southern Miss and Clemson, and played with a
stellar defense.  How is Willis's carrer better (besides the fact he beat the
Canes).  Bowden had a Senior in Willis (in the pros), 2 sophmores in Brad 
Johnson (in the pros) and Casey Weldon (in the pros) and a Freshman in Ward.  
How would you suggest Bowden get more than 2 years out of any of these
quarterbacks?

>...and not only with qb's. We have a guy
>here by the name of Marquette Smith. This guy was rated as the best HS rb in

Sean Jackson and Tiger McMillon are better at this point.  You run against 
Miami's front seven when you have three freshman blocking for you.  

>the country...ahead of Faulk! And what's Bowden done with him...you guessed 
>it...the bench.

He is being redshirted so that he can play more.  See, the players ahead of him
will graduate (hopefuly.  At the least they will loose elligibility.) and Smith
will have another year to run for FSU.  You complain becuase the QBs have no
time to play, then you complain when Bowden tries to extend the career of this
talented running back.

>I could go on with the wasted talent on this team...but I
>would just get in a bad mood.

I feel sorry for you, having to put up with the incompetent football program
at FSU.  Truly, I do.

>Defense. Up until the last few years our defense has been pretty pourous. Yes,
>Bowden did have a good D back in 79 and 80...but he lost the OB so who cares.

The past 5 years the FSU defense has been killer.  They are aggresive, fast,
and talented.  They have had DBs such as LeRoy Butler, Terrell Buckley, and 
Deion Sanders.  They have had linebacker such as Marvin Jones and Kirk
Carruthers.  They have had DL such as Odel Haggins, Eric Hayes, and Carl
SImpson.  They have been the cheif reason for FSU's recent success.

>The true measure of a "great" coach is his ability to put all of these three
>elements together in a single package. When you do that you win championships.
>Look at all the previous NC's...they almost all had well rounded teams. Until
>Bowden can put it all together he will never win an NC...my guess is he cant
>do it.

Do you truly reflect the attitude at FSU?  I doubt it...
-- 
Darrell James Stogner
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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