Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Interesting (?) opinion :)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:48:00 -0700

In article <oeaQEDK00WBMM79XZT@andrew.cmu.edu> Michel Fougeres
<mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

 MF> Each time I went to Agde
 MF> (southern France) I noticed that lots of nudists, male and female,
 MF> made a point of stretching on their back, with their sex in full
 MF> view, on the rocks next to a boat channel across from which another
 MF> bunch (ogglers from the textile beach opposite) were peering at them
 MF> with the naked eye (no pun intended) or with photo-lenses and other
 MF> paraphernalia.

Hmm. How many were stretched out on their stomachs? Would you characterize
those on their stomachs as being too ashamed to expose themselves to the
watchers across from the boat channel? Did the ones on their backs ever turn
to their stomachs? Did they, in your mind, then become "exhibitionists" also?
Did the ones on their stomachs ever turn over to their backs? Don't you find
the same scenario at textile beaches -- some on their stomachs and some on
their backs, and both tend to rotate frequently? Do you routinely characterize
textiles as exhibitionists based on the position in which they are lying?

Did it ever occur to you that people might be lying on their backs in full
view without concern whether anyone was watching or not?

Why did the fact that they exposed themselves suggest to you that they did it
for sexual gratification?

 MF> the mischievous nudists had, in the course of a
 MF> few weeks, practically destroyed those signs or damaged them beyond
 MF> recognition, so that nobody knew any longer where the nudist and the
 MF> textile beaches met (or separated if you prefer) -- so that nudists
 MF> could parade fairly far among the textiles, with an pretence of
 MF> ingenuity, and get a kick out of shocking bunches of them

You mean, you watched for the few weeks and saw each nudist go by and destroy
yet another piece of the sign? Is it possible that some of the textiles may
have had a hand in the destruction for their own purposes?

 MF> Once in a while, a textile who had reconnoitered the nudist beach
 MF> would become emboldened and would discard all apparel -- but if that
 MF> unto-now-textile was a man, he would often get such a charge out of
 MF> exposing himself 100% bare that he would sprout an erection, and the
 MF> usual reflex (of that person) was to make a dash for
 MF> the Mediterranean sea close by, for a cooling period.


Huh? What does this have to do with exhibitionism? Being nude is sensual.
Western societies strongly equate sensuality with sexuality. The fact that a
man stripped publicle for the first and ended up with an erection proves
exhibitionism about as truly as it proves the depraved societies we have
created.

If the same man repeatedly came to the nude area, stripped and had an erection,
I admit I would tend to question his mind-set and his reasons for being there.
But not isolated incidences...

 MF> Don't blame all this behaviour on the French character or lack of it

What does being French have to do with it? It's as likely to happen tomorrow
at your or my favorite CO spot. So what? It still doesn't indicate
exhibitionism.

Wayne
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