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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:27:03 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Learn from Lei Feng

Many netters are arguing about Lei Feng.

I don't think anything wrong with learning from Lei Feng or someone else,
like Lai Ning, Zhang Tie Sheng, Mao Zedong,Zhou enlai,Deng Xiaoping,Qin Shi Hua
ng,Jiang Jieshi, Sun Wukong, Zhu 8 Jie,..... no matter real or fake.
Whatever you want to learn, go ahead.

San1 Ren1 Xing2 Bi4 You3 Wu3 Shi1.

The trouble with CCP was to destroy tranditional value system, and to create
 models whatever CCP wanted. That makes chinese crazy and lost.And it made
a no-value-society for a long period of time in PRC history. Finally CCP
imposed 4-principles on the constitution. And no model needed any more.
It doesn't mean that CCP doesn't want to,but it just simply won't work any
more.It's hard indeed to create a new value system to replace old one.


Let's have a break,singing Xue Xi Lei Feng Hao Bang Yang.

Any netter kindly posts the words of the song?

X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:30:10 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct12.220928.20564@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
<(deleted)
>Shi, Clinton became an enemy that "screw up every thing". This is the mentality  
>of ultra-leftist/rightist people like Shi Chunde, Shannon Yeh, Yue Fei, Qu  
>Yuan, Mao, Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Joseph Stalin. 

Well, congratulation to Shi Chunde and Shannon Yeh for sitting on this big
name list. But I wonder why Yue Fei and Qu Yuan are there also. What is
Yue Fei's mentality wrong? What is Qu Yuan's mentality wrong? Please give
me a lecture. Thanks.

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From: zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: i am a spy? if so, it would be interesting
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:09:42 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <2ADB58B0.9521@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>If i act as a spy, i will hide myself in a corner and watch you blood carders
>and make report to someone in somewhere.  but the fact is: Shannon Yeh 
>publically stood up and fighted with those blood carders.
>
>Shannon Yeh has his own plan, and he is not a stupid man--he knows how to
>Jiao(foot)Ta(step)Shi(real)Di(earth) to reach his goal.  
>
>shannon
>-------

You shouldn't fight against those blood carders. Instead you should fight against the stupid President and the congressmen. Change your President and the congressmen to have a D President and R congress. If you can, those blood carder will posscess U.S. citizenship more quickly.
From: phsjjc@emrycc.cc.emory.edu (JAMES J. CEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Shen Tong 's arrival:   I watched It On TV
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:37:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Lian Zheng <LZHENG@IUBACS.BITNET> writes:
 
>I watched the arrival of Shen Tong on TV in 1989.

>Mr. Shen at that time did show (or pretend to show )
>to the audience that he escaped from China with the help of some
>kind-hearted people.  He looked like that he was very concerned about the
>safety of the people involved in his escape, so that he would not reveal
>any information related.

I am afraid there was not much he could reveal anyway.

>Shen said something like this on TV:  I can not
>tell you anything except to tell you that someone gave me a phone # in US
>so I can get help when I successfully reached the US.   Mr. Shen
>actually read the phone # to the TV reporters there.
>(Can someone with better memory correct me please, in case I tell something
>wrong?)
 
Does (617) 969-3919 ring a bell?  It's the phone number of the "China 
Information Center", based in Newton, Massachusetts.  They gave Shen
Tong the initial big promotion, in return, Shen Tong would do this number
on TV.  

>Now, someone on the China-NT and SCC said that Mr. Shen actually went through
>normal procedures to come out, making use of the disorder occured around 6.4.
>Is someone trying to discredit Mr. Shen as a 'Democray fighter', or the
>other way around?

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27921 talk.politics.china:1931
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Eric Y. Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Forward...(Subject: The Japanese)
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:00:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: menaik.zhu.719118026
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada


The following article was addressed to IFCSS HQ and CND
editors. The authors also asked me to forward it to this
newsgroup.

========================cut here========================
To:	zhu@cs.ualberta.ca (zhu)
From:	************@****.****.ualberta.ca (******** ***)
Date:	Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:56:18 -0600
Subject: The damn Japanese! 

I sent the following message to the CND editors on Sunday, 
and so far I've heard nothing from them. Now the Japanese 
are coming soon, so we'd better to act asap! I wonder if
you can transfer this message to the IFCSS HQ (US) directly?
and if possible, also to IFCSS HQ's in Canada, Germany, 
France, and Australia etc., 

I would really appreciate it if you also send that message 
to soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china asap.

Pls. keep this address anonymous. thanks.

(signature)
==========================================================
Recently there're quite a couple of reports about the
Japanese Emperor's visit to China and he's not going to
apologize. This is informative.  However, We've heard
nothing about any actions taking against this issue. It
seems everyone have forgotten what a crime the Japanese
committed to us Chinese --- the bloody bodies lying on
the grounds, the wives and daughters raped and murdered,
the dearest houses under fire .... Think about the 
Nanjing Massacre alone --- That's 300,000 Chinese!
Who's going to forget? The history will never forget!!! 
The Communist government has gone too far on this, it will
even allow the Japanese not to apologize, God: where is 
the Justice? --- this is selling the country for 
amusing the Enemy! The Japanese invaded China militarily
in the 1930's, now they elegantly invade it economically! 
Think about the trade deficit China has against Japan. US 
has a deficit against China and they asked (ordered!) 
China to take action, what about the Communist government? 
--- maybe they will say: 'Japanese are nice since they
are the first to lift the boycott after June 4.' Now what
we overseas Chinese say? We stand by? You ever have warm
bloods? you ever cried out for the June 4? now where are you?

Campuses in Beijing now are doing many things despite the
interference of the Communists, and CSS in Canada have also 
done something these days over this, such as gathering
signatures etc. However, We've heard nothing from the US
side. Now S1216 is over, it is the time to do something to 
this! Remember "Uncle Sam" is always the leader in
critical moments --- such as the June 4 etc. So we wish you
keep this reputation! We can't wait, otherwise we will NOT 
able to face our ancestors, the dead will NEVER close their
eyes! and We're going to be condemned by our children! We
wish you call for some global protests ASAP!

A few warm-bloods from University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada.
===============================================================

--

===
Zhu Yuchen, Edmonton
From: xihong@mse.ogi.edu (Xihong Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: [Chinese Word Processing]---Edit/Print HELP Wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:05:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43840
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Dear Folks,

I have been using CPL 1.1 to print HXWZ files without
any problem on my pc and a HP laserjet III until I started
to print my own Chinese files edited byx1.1.

[Problem]:
Using byx 1.1, I wrote a file which contains both
Chinese characters by pin input and English letters by ACII input.
I got the file printed out using the cpl but not the
way I wanted.  It didn't recognize the carriage return and
just keep printing to treat the file as one paragraph.
The file, which is a directory containing names and phones numbers
etc, should come out left aligned and like a table.

I compared my file with HXWZ files and could not tell the
difference in terms of end-of-line or carriage return.
I also got the hard return ACII character visible on my screen
in my file and HXWZ files using njstar, but still don't
understand why my file can not be printed out properly while
HXWZ files can.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Xihong Wang
xihong@mse.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:16:48 GMT

min@faraday.ece.cmu.edu (Min Ye) writes:

>In article <9210121849.AA18273@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>* If you know any other financial institutions who issue VISA/MASTERCARD with
>>* no annual fees, please let me know. 
>>
>>AT&T, the wrong choice. 
>>1-800-CALL-ATT ask for universial card. 

>AT&T's Universal Card is not free anymore, at least to me.

Univeral cards were free only in 1991 (?), the first year they announced
the card and tried to promote it. It's $25(?) a year if you apply it now.
Another good thing about the universal card is that it covers collisions
when you rent a car using universal card, which can save quite a lot in
insuring a rental car. 

ps. I'm not an AT&T universal card salesman:-)

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.153114.5837@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
>No, there are a lot of Chinese ways to say something. And there are non-Chinese
>way to say something. Maybe some people are not so sensitive.

Do you mean to use Chinese characters like Mr. Shanoon Yeh :-)
did all the time?

It will cost too much time to write something in that way. Have
you ever read from Chairman Mao: "Ten thousand years is too long,
catch hours, catch minutes (Yi Wan Nian Tai Jiu, Zhi Zhen Zhao Xi)."
From: zhangn@maple.egr.uh.edu (Zhang)
Subject: help on installing cxterm and etc!!!
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:25:47 GMT

Hi everybody,
   Last time I have asked about the problems I got when I install the
cxterm and others on the X11 I have .  Now I have solved the old problems
but am facing new problems:
(1) I have successfully installed the fonts, but i can not install any
of the other files, i.e. cxterm, cless, celvis.  I have got a lot of
error messages when the system is compiling the Imake.tmpl and Project
and some other two files, can anybody suggest any advice?

Again, please e-mail to me or relate the answer to soc.culture.hongkong.
Thanks.

jnz
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28179 soc.culture.hongkong:12762 soc.culture.taiwan:14546
From: matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- Be Aware!
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:10:31 GMT
Organization: Division of Computer Science, UC Davis

In article <1992Oct12.213624.6612@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@wind.UUCP writes:

>Since most readers of the three news groups don't have voting right,
>this survey is irrelevant as far as the election goes.

Clinton has won the election; everyone knows that.  But I certainly
think the opinions of this group's readers are of interest (and all
the people who have replied to my survey evidently think so too).

>Mr. Matloff is known to be a strong defender of Deng and his guards after 
>the Tiananmen Square massacre.  

That is ridiculous, and quite insulting.  I suppose you have me confused
with someone else.  

I have consistently advocated full, immediate 100% democracy in China.  
In fact, in the weeks leading up to 6/4, I got into big arguments in 
s.c.c., because I was IN FAVOR of full, immediate democracy while many
in the movement were OPPOSED to democracy.

Here is a sample for you, from <24624@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> on May 19, 
1989:  Wood Wai Lee, an s.c.c.  netter from HK, had said that the 
Chinese people are "not ready" for democracy.  I replied,

    GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHANCE.  THEY'RE NOT IDIOTS!  THEY HAVE COMMON SENSE,
    AND WOULD ADAPT TO DEMOCRACY VERY QUICKLY.  I wouldn't say that it
    would work 100% smoothly at first, but there would be immediate
    benefits  --  and the people deserve no less!

Later Xiang-seng Lee (no relation), from Taiwan, had replied to this
that she hoped that I would contribute money to the movement.  I said
that I had, and then remarked in <24710@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> on May 22,

    Even though I am VERY disappointed that the students in general don't 
    want to give the populace electoral power, they are certainly asking 
    for things that I support very strongly:  Freedom of speech/assembly, 
    end to corruption, etc.  As I said, I am delighted that they are 
    standing up for their rights, and I wish them the best.

My articles after 6/4 condemned the killings, agreed with others that
Li Peng should step down, pointed out how transparently false the CCP's
public statements about 6/4 were, etc.  

Immediately after 6/4, I joined a local SF Bay Area organization that was 
formed to promote democracy in China.  I helped organize a protest rallye/
concert held to raise funds for that purpose.

You owe me a BIG apology, J. Chen.

   Norm


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.133659.9439@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <Oct.7.23.44.17.1992.15263@electron.rutgers.edu> zzhang@electron.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
>>Looking at the names of posters, I am suprised to see that very small 
>>percentage of people who post in this group are Japanese. Why is this?
>>Where are the Japanese? 
>
>Before 1945, there were lots of Japanese on socculturechina; now they
>are all on soc.culture.japan.
>:-)

Not funny.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: 9201 people's reaction to the blood card and blood carders
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:37:49 GMT


1. One of primary goals of Action 9201 is to tell the true face of those
   blood carders to the Chinese public and the US public.  We have done
   significant amount of work on this.  And we will keep doing this!

2. If the bill has been signed, then, it means they are willing to offer
   blood carders protection.  But George Bush's signature by no means
   answer any single question I raised to blood carders.

3. We still believe that those blood carders are liers.  They Bu4Ze3Shou3Duan4
   seek personal benefits by compromising the interests of the Chinese 
   people in China.

4. I still believe that those protectees (i.e. blood carders) are coward--
   history will not remember them as heroes.  Part of our 9201 extension
   is to summarize this page of history.

5. By leaving those garbage in the US, the Chinese government, I guess, will
   be happy.

shannon
-------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Mr. Bai Jining (coming from Tsinghua Univ. in 1990)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:19:06 GMT


If you know Mr. Bai Jining, a Chinese student now studying in U.S.A.,
please tell me his address by email, or tell him my information:

Qiu Liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset ave.
Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
Email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: What do I think about the "Protection Bill" ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.045427.11587@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.155334.26286@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>
>>	The silent beneficiaries of the Protection Act do not have to get
>>on the bus. They can refuse to get green cards under it. Once they do
>>however, they are taking a moral stand on the issue.
>>
>>	To continue the bus analogy, the bus was stolen. Anyone who takes
>>a ride on the bus knowing it was stolen is just as responsible (at least
>>morally) as those who did the actual stealing.
>
>  You are not talking about America, though, which was supposedly robbered
>  from native Indians?

No, I'm not talking about America, and I'm not talking about Tibet either.
Those are different topics. However, I do think the same arguments hold in
those cases as well.

(*Just as an aside, the words "robbered" and "rubbered" have become pretty
popular recently around here, and they sound kind of funny. The past tense
of rob is "robbed". I offer this in a friendly way: I ordinarily couldn't
care less about grammar and spelling.*)

>
>-ping
>
From: xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: SCC Riddle: for a psycho
Date: 15 Oct 1992 04:01:56 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: stereo.csl.uiuc.edu
Summary: a riddle for identifying a psychic person
Keywords: Riddle, for a psychic

	SCC Riddle:


??????? ???????             ?			???????         ?
?  ?  ?     ?              ????			?     ?         ?
??????? ???????          ?   ?			?     ?   ?????????????
?  ?  ?    ? ?         ????????????             ???????  ?     ?      ?
???????    ?           ?    ?     ?             ?     ?       ?   ? 
   ?       ?           ????????????		?     ?      ??  ?  
???????    ?		  ?     ?               ???????     ? ??
   ?     ? ?            ?  ?  ?                 ?     ?   ?   ?  ?
???????    ?           ?  ?  ?  ?               ?     ?       ?     ? 
                          ?   ?    ?           ?    ? ?       ?   ?   ?
			?    ?                ?       ?         ?
			   ?


Hint: For a psycho.


Postscript: Mr. Scottish Horn is now attending CCP Congress as a 
		foreign member. He played his masterful 
		scottish horn to entertain the conference. 
		He went to beijing to improve his Chinese.
		His role in SCC has shifted to the guy in this riddle.

 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27467 soc.culture.taiwan:14229 soc.culture.hongkong:12256
From: lix@bashful.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:43:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <!C6-WBB@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
<(deleted)
<The good thing about PRC is that it completely kicked out foreign
<powers out of China which suppressed China in last 200 years.

Well, not exactly. The railroad in the NE and Lyu-Da were returned
to China a few years later. And the returning of extra-territories
should be credited to both KMT and CCP in WWII.

<(deleted)
<On the opposite, the founding of PRC divided China into two parts,
<Mainland and Taiwan. The mismanagement of PRC government under
<Mao made many Chinese people suffered a great difficulty of life
<for many years. Today, under the leadership of Deng, China is on
<the right road and enjoying the highest economic growth rate in
<the world. The living standard has been improved greatly in 
<last 14 years. However, the unification of China still have a
<long way to go.

Well, maybe sooner than expected. See the recent Singapore meeting.

<
<Which day is more important to Chinese people? I would like
<to hear the opinions of netters.

You are welcome, please donate to SOS China Education Fund. From
a few days ago, anyone who asks for my opinions will be requested to do
so. A few dollars will help a lot.

I hereby suggest Newly united China will have a National Day on July 7.
It is the only day in modern history that the whole country was united
and fight against foreign invasion. For the same reason, "Qi Lai,..."
will be kept as National Song. The new flag will be transparent without
anything on it, so that in day you watch it through and see blue sky,
in the night, you see stars. When it is overcast, you see cloud which
means TI-1 TI-2, XI, SI, we all unite under a single flag.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:58:15 GMT

In article <1av68hINNm2@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
>
>In <Bvr755.Dyr@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
>writes:
>
>>In article <97826@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>>
>>>Yue Fei is very good, in deed. He can fight and write, both. The problem some
>>>ones regard him as ultra-(right/left)est is because of his poem:
>>>
>>>Zhuang Zi Ji Cai Hu Nu Ru,
>>>Xiao Tan Ke Yin Xiong Lu Xue.
>>
My own blah blah... 
>
>I believe we call the radical nationalist as "ultra-rightist".
>When we blame Yuefei as a ultra-rightist, we should also consider
>the historical background. In the poem, "Hu2 Lu3" and "Xiong1 Nu2"
>were referring to the invaders "Jin1" people. "Hu2" is an ancient
>Chinese term for "barbarians" from the north. ("Yue4" or "Man2"
>were the terms for barbarians from the south. Therefore, we say
>"Hu2 Yue4 Yi4 Jia1" [Hu and Yue4 in the same family, for implying
>social harmony] and "Nan2 Man2" [Southern barbarians].) Xiong1
>Nu2 was an ancient "barbarian" tribe from the North. It no longer
>existed in Song4 dynasty. Thus, "Hu2 Lu3" and "Xiong Nu" used in
>the poem DID NOT mean Chinese minorities. They MEANT the
>invaders, the "Ye2 Lyu4" family.
>
>I did hear a complaint from a Chinese minority before, though. He
>said that the poem "Man3 Jiang1 Hong2" should have been banned,
>because time had changed and the Ye2 Lyu4 family as well as some
>"Northern barbarian tribes" had become members of the big Chinese
>family.
>
I'm from South, that's why quiet often I think northernes are not the
pure descendent of Han people. (no flame, please) So what? They speak
better mandarin than I do. But actually the Southerners are not too. At
least we have the blood of Yue.

(The following poem of Man Jiang Hong and its beautiful translation is
deleted)...

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china