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From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: K. McHale / Celtics
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:08:26 GMT


Kevin McHale & his famed ankles will most likely go the route of Larry Bird
& his back last year. In other words, McHale will have nagging aches & pains
all year, and could, imo, miss some games as a result this year.  McHale
stated that if he could look ahead & know that he would have the same kind
of year this year as last year (health-wise, that is), he would retire. I
would expect, again imo, that this will be Kevin's last hurrah.  But anyway,
he is on the roster & projected to see signifigant playing time this year.

As for the starting lineup & key players, it will most likely look like the
following, for the bulk of the season:
	Parish (C), Pinkney (PF), McDaniel (SF), Lewis (SG), Douglas (PG).

However, Pinckney is hurting with hamstring problems. And, along with McHale's
ankle problems, the Power Forward slot has been hurting.  Therefore, tonight,
and for the next few games, until Pinkney is healthy, I expect that McDaniel
will move up to the Power Forward slot, and Kevin Gamble will resume his
familiar starting Small Forward role.  The C's will be weak in size & 
rebounding.

Along with the Starting 5, McHale, & Gamble, whom I've already mentioned,
other key subs expect to be Rick Fox (Small Forward & Shooting Guard) and
Dee Brown (Point Guard & Shooting Guard).  Also, Joe Kleine will be the 
Backup Center.  He is projected to get more playing minutes per game than
previous seasons, in an attempt to pace the Chief & get Parish more rest.
When in the game, he'll be expected to be a part of the offense by facing the
hoop & taking advantage of his (limited?) outside shooting capabilities.

Joe Wolf is currently on the roster as an NBA-experienced backup Center &
Power Forward, who is expected to help out witht he rebounding chores. I
don't expect him to see signifigant playing time, & could be cut within the
next couple of months.  Ditto Bart Koefod, who is allegedly a good 3-point
shooter who also can play in-your-face defense.  If the C's ever sign Jon
Barry, he's a goner.

Marcus Webb is a bruiser who could replace Wolf when/if the C's are certain
that Pinckney & McHale are healthy. Then, they could cut Wolf and center some
attention on making Webb a project for the future.  Kenny Battle is also on
the IR, but he is more of a small forward, and the C's have plenty of those
kinds of players, with the likes of McDaniel, Gamble, Fox, & even Lewis (who
plays primarily shooting guard).

Joe.

ps - I'm basing all of this on what I've heard & read over the past month
by the Boston press & media.  Don't shoot the piano player. ;-).
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: All-Hustle team (here we go again...)
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:21:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Let's get this flamewar started early.  Here's my all-hustle team:

G  Sedale Threatt
G  Dan Majerle
F  Tyrone Corbin
F  A.C. Green
C  Olden Polynice

Tony
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: BOXSCORE mia1orl1.06nov92
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:22:16 GMT


mia 100, orl 110   06nov92

MISSING names of officials not listed

 Injuries:  Shaw - sprained ankle
            Catledge - bruised rib

mia ( 0- 1)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
burton,willie     36   6   9   1  1  10 14   2  8   0  3  1  5  2  0  0  0   23
salley,john       39   1   7   0  0   0  0   5  9   7  2  2  7  2  0  0  0    2
seikaly,rony      31   4  10   0  0   8 14   2  8   0  4  1  3  0  0  0  0   16
shaw,brian        15   1   3   0  1   2  2   0  1   4  2  0  1  0  0  0  0    4
rice,glen         41   7  18   1  4   4  7   1  3   3  3  0  1  0  0  0  0   19
kessler,alec      18   0   2   0  0   3  4   1  5   1  2  0  2  0  0  0  0    3
askins,keith       8   1   4   0  1   0  0   1  2   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
edwards,kevin     19   7  10   0  1   3  4   2  2   0  2  3  2  1  0  0  0   17
coles,bimbo       33   6  10   0  1   2  3   1  3   4  4  2  2  0  0  0  0   14
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
mia totals       240  33  73   2  9  32 48  15 41  19 23  9 23  5  0  0  0  100
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .452   .222   .667       team rebs 15
procedure technicals 1

orl ( 1- 0)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
catledge,terry    11   1   2   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  2  0  1  0  0  0  0    2
scott,dennis      43  11  18   4  5   1  2   0  1   3  3  1  3  1  0  0  0   27
o'neal,shaquille  32   4   8   0  0   4  7   5 18   2  6  1  8  3  0  0  0   12
anderson,nick     42  17  26   3  6   5 12   2  8   6  4  5  3  0  0  0  0   42
skiles,scott      29   4   8   0  1   5  5   0  1   6  5  0  3  0  1  0  0   13
kite,greg         14   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  4   0  4  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
royal,donald       5   0   2   0  0   0  0   1  1   1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
corchiani,chris   19   2   3   0  0   1  1   0  1   5  2  2  2  0  0  0  0    5
turner,jeff       25   2   2   0  0   1  2   0  1   4  3  2  1  0  0  0  0    5
bowie,anthony     18   2   4   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  5  1  0  0  0  0  0    4
williams,brian     2   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  1  1  2  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
orl totals       240  43  73   7 12  17 29   8 36  27 36 13 24  4  1  0  0  110
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .589   .583   .586       team rebs 16
procedure technicals 1

mia   34  31  16  19  -  100
orl   30  26  25  29  -  110

attendance 15151, time 2:20, officials: ??,??,??
From: langford@ohsu.edu (Chris Langford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: ALONZO!
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:49:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Nov11.164959.11616
Organization: Fuji Garbage Collectors, Ltd.

As an aside to this conversation, I saw an official Nike "Alonzo"
T-shirt the other day down at the YMCA.  I asked the guy about it,
and (of course) he works for Nike.  (this was the Portland, Oregon
YMCA).

Chris
--
Chris Langford                "An' what are yer scientists these days
langford@ohsu.edu              but a bunch o' undersexed communistic
Micro/Immuno Dept.             heaps o' shit with teeth?"
Oregon Health Sciences Univ.      -Ma Orviston-  "The River Why"
From: nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shenina Louise Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Give Magic A Break
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:15:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

       I agree with you Max.  Before this , I bet that all of 
those people (and basketball players) who are afraid of Magic 
and say that he's just stealing someone's "limelight" probably
had more one night stands than Magic and got lucky that they 
didn't get Aids......

--just venting

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From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Subject: Re: McLaettner is no D***y F***y (was Rookies in first games)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:40:32 GMT

>Toni Morgan writes:
>As CNN (or was it ESPN) pointed out in a comparison between Shaq and Alonzo:
>Laettner's numbers to date far exceed those of Mourning!

Yeah, but what about the Shaq??

You cannot argue with the idea of 15 rebounds and 22 points a night!!
(Along with a few blocked shots, and some hard fouls to the enemy--
see last night's game, Charlotte vs. Orlando, where J.R. Reid got
smashed into the goal post!)

To be sure, Laettner's performances have been decent, but
Mourning may be the last piece of the puzzle for Charlotte,
because they need more force on the inside.  Now if the Hornets
could play some defense!!

From a curious student of basketball,
Genghis
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Blazers defeat Phoenix in road opener
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:55:33 MST
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Nov12.234411.15399@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes: 
>> . . . One should realize that Knight, no matter how highly
>>we praise him, was still a 2nd-rounder.  All-Star quality is distinctly
>>lacking when you go that low (yes, Sedale Threatt lovers, he is one in
>>a million, but he's at best an average starter). . . .
> 
> You've GOT to be kidding when you state that All-Star quality
> is distinctly lacking when you go beyond the first round.

I ain't.  Take a look at the All-Star rosters for the last 6 years
and count up how many of the participants were drafted at anywhere
below the first round.  The number is so low, you could count it on
your fingers.

> Terry Porter of the Blazers is NOT All-Star quality?

Sure he is; he was a first rounder, though.

> Dee Brown of
> the Celtics could not be considered All-Star quality?  Okay, maybe
> Dee Brown is a notch down, but not that far down.

He is not All-Star quality for the simple reason that he's never
played in an All-Star game.  Besides, he was a first rounder too!

> I'll grant you
> that most if not all of the All-Stars playing in the All-Star
> games are 1st-rounders, but I don't take anything away from those
> who are selected in the 2nd or later rounds.

Here's what I said.

>> . . . One should realize that Knight, no matter how highly
>>we praise him, was still a 2nd-rounder.  All-Star quality is distinctly
>>lacking when you go that low (yes, Sedale Threatt lovers, he is one in
>>a million, but he's at best an average starter). . . .

I wished to counter the statement that to replace KJ, a genuine All-Star,
the Suns had a player of a similar quality, Negele Knight, waiting in
the wings, who by the way was a second round pick.

This is sheer woofery, for Knight had significant limitations in the eyes
of pro scouts that limited him to 2nd-round status.

Knight has not shown any hint of being an All-Star guard, which is
exactly what his draft position would indicate.  If his basketball skills
were really that poor to start with, he would have to show a great
improvement from his college performance in the pros, which is tough to
do.

Notice that the few lower round genuine All-Stars you find (Hornacek, 
Mark Price) were surrounded by a sea of swill in their drafts.  Clearly
that indicates that "All-Star talent is distinctly lacking below the
1st round."  Who could disagree with that?
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: COMPLETE 1992-93 TNT/NBC BROADCAST SCHEDULE
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:25:24 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: na
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In article <2079@hsdndev.UUCP>, nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>Here is a complete schedule of 50 TNT and 24 NBC games scheduled for
>1992-93. In addition NBC will televise the 43rd annual ALL-STAR game
>from Salt Lake City,Utah on Sunday Febraury 21st and TNT will showcase 2
>ALL-STAR specials on the same weekend. A dozen NBC's NBA games and the
>ALL-STAR game will also be broadcast by NBA Radio Network.
>
>***********************************************************************
>1992-93 TNT and NBC  REGULAR SEASON TELECASTS

>1/31 Sunday    LA Lakers at Boston       12:30pm on NBC
> SuperBowl
>  Sunday
>*********************************************************************

Hmm. Interesting. I read in the USA TODAY that the Super Bowl
will be broadcast by the NBC this same. May be it will
be in the afternoon, but still very strange.
Bye,

                       

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       * 	                       *    
       *	Dept. of Mech. Engg.   *    
       *	Marquette University   *    
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Wither Andre Turner?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:22:25 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <lfitqoINN3ur@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, plank@cs.utk.edu (Jim Plank) writes:
|> From: plank@cs.utk.edu (Jim Plank)
|> So, can anyone tell me if Andre Turner is still in the NBA, and if 
|> so, with which team?  I saw the Bullets play last weekend and he wasn't
|> with them (most likely the picking up of Doug Overton caused that
|> phenomenon).
|> 
|> Just curious, as I'm an Andre fan from when he was a spark for the
|> Dawkinsless Sixerss.

Turner played for the Bullets last year and did a decent job, 
particularly when Michael Adams went down. Turner did not 
re-sign with the Bullets and I believe that he's playing quite
well in Europe.

Ron
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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 10:24:39 -0500 
From: Kenon Warren Tutein <kt25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Knicks Roster

Who is this Anderson guy for the Knicks?
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pele the world's greatest athlete?
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:55:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC

In article <1992Nov05.051007.16891@pooky.ee.washington.edu> echen@pooky.engr.washington.edu writes:
>Who IS Pele? what's the big deal? never heard of him before
>
>						Chris 
>					echen@pooky.ee.washington.edu


	Who is Pele? I would suggest that you try to find some
video of him playing soccer. The man was the best!!!!


 			Carter

--
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Personal Threats & Anti-Pistons Trash Talk
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:54:02 GMT

Here's some more email from my biggest fan. This time he's making personal
threats. What would you do in this situation? Forward it to his postmaster?
Notify the FBI? (BTW he did consent for me to post this).
 
--Eric
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Erica...
you are starting to make me laughing so hard that I can crack your whole skull.
Still protecting them Pisstans??? It is a fact that wimpy Isiah started the
rumor about Magic man.
Mahorn is yor loss. Nets will whip your team's behind with Mahorn charging
toward Agguire and Thomas.
Oh I recall you are bumping and humping those Pisstans' behind and finally got
a serious relationship with one of the players. Good luck and dont be
heartbroken when your boyfriend end up in cellar dwellar
 
Pisstans sucks big time. Hardly can wait til Bulls come to your town and
spray piss allover!
 
Go ahead post it in ur favorite conference. It wont bite me!!
 
Peace man
From: alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Knicks Roster
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:25:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Nov9.093241@is.morgan.com> antab@is.morgan.com (Anthony Abenante) writes:
>Campbell played nicely on the
>offensive end, and his defense isn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be.
I didn't see any Wolves' game last year, and did not have any idea about Campbell.
But, from the preseason articles in this newsgroup I got the impression that he
would be a defensive liability for the Knicks. However, after watching him in
the first three games I have to say he is not all that bad a defender. I would
prefer to have X-man in the team in his place, but he should be a worthy substi-
tute. It looks like Riley made it clear to everybody that unless one hustles
enough defensively, he wouldn't get the minutes. Remember when he sat Ewing for
the entire fourth quarter in a game last season, and how Ewing played after that?
Let's see how this team improves after they grow accustomed to each other.

Kaisar
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    Nothing but the truth,
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:05:05 GMT

jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>
>>	Now, here's a question.  Threatt holds an honor all to himself
>>	in the NBA.  What is this honor?
>
>Only bald point guard?  :)

Kevin Porter is also bald.

>Justin.

    --mack

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:24:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <t~#@byu.edu> jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>In article <BxIrxq.FCD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>
>>	Now, here's a question.  Threatt holds an honor all to himself
>>	in the NBA.  What is this honor?
>
>Only bald point guard?  :)
>
>Justin.

Hey, what about Terry Porter???  Or Tim Hardaway???  
Or Charles Barkley.. opps, he just thinks he's the point guard :-)
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Operation Vanilla, or, the Danny Ferry Report
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:24:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.113840.17647@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>In article <1dp5g7INNo5n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers) writes:
>>
>>Danny Ferry electrified the audience at the Richfield Coliseum
>>this past Sunday by managing to foul out of the game against the
>>Hornets in just eleven minutes of play.  In a truly bizarre
>>linescore, Ferry also collected seven assists in 11 minutes, shot
>>a technical foul, and clocked Johnny Newman going to the hoop.
>>
>
>	That's GREAT!!!!! That means more than half the game, someone else
>could play in his place! And I would think that person could just possibly
>contribute more then suck up some wind and take up space!!!!!!
>

Hang on there.  Ferry seems to be trying to carve out an entirely
new position for himself--combination thug and assist man. If the
Cavs win a championship then everyone is going to look for guys
who can find the open man on one end of the floor and hammer small
forwards and shooting guards on the other.  A punch 'n' pass
specialist, if you will. 

Ken B.
From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Knicks Roster
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:52:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: research.1992Nov6.145240.9044
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: adam@acapella


|> >Oakley - PF/C
|> >Mason - PF/SF
|> >Anderson - SF
|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Who is this Anderson Guy?  Is it Nick Anderson?  This is the first I've heard
|> of him.  I wish I had the good 'ole NY Daily News to keep up with the Knicks 

This is Eric Anderson, a rookie out of Indiana.  He looks to be in the
6'9 to 6'10 range.  I didn't see him play very much, but Riley
apparently likes him.


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From: 6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Lakers
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:11:16 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
at the point position.for the things he did last year with the sit-
uation in la (magic/hiv)he was truly the only bright spot for the
lakers last year.did you see what he did to the warriors last night?
if he keeps up this pace he'll be an all-star this year
drew


From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.181407.5277@tc.fluke.COM> tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
>
>Let's get real.  Threat is a fine guard but he really isn't awesome.  He
>played 3 (?) years here in Seattle and while he certainly contributed he
>was rarely awesome (unless of course you consider almost anything an NBA
>player does on the court as awesome, which is true but beside the
>comparative point we're discussing).
>
>Threat hasn't been an All-Star and I'll bet he won't be.
>
>Threat, as a point guard, was not able to beat out Nate McMillan (whose
>career is suddenly blossoming but 3 years ago was considered the weakest
>starter on the Sonics).
>
>Threat didn't start consistently at 2 guard - although he did start and
>play more at 2 than at point.  Ellis started and by the end of Sedale's
>last year here Pierce was starting.

Well, based on last year, I think Threatt was awesome.  Under tremendous
pressure filling in for one of the legends of the game under extraneous
circumstances, Threatt performed really well.  Played his customary good
D, and went way beyond the call of duty pushing the Lakers into the playoffs
after Worthy, Perkins and Divac (so 4 of L.A.'s starters were gone).  He
was definitely the most valuable Laker, shot 49% in a horribly slow offense,
scored nearly 16 ppg.  It seems that the Sonics weren't using him to what
they could have, doesn't it?  Imagine what he would have been like playing
with Magic?


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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Is Chris Jackson regaining his shot?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:54:29 GMT

I think it takes some shooters (primarily, jump shooters who don't
shoot off the dribble) a while to learn how to get their shots off
when they come up to the NBA.
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