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From: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Subject: Big Bad Bug
Reply-To: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: comp.text.frame
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:21:05 GMT

Hey, I've discovered a character format bug.  Has anyone else seen this?
This is Frame 3.0 on the Macintosh.

It seems if you apply a character format to any entire paragraph or
table cell, and then "Use Formats From", the character formats get wiped
out.  (The character format is still there; it's just invisible.)
The only way to get them back is to reapply the formats but 
uncheck the Paragraph Formats box before doing so.

What this means is that to be on the safe side, when updating formats,
you have to do it twice, once with and once without Paragraph Formats.


Scott Stark
sstark@ingres.com



Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: iacovou@jessica.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou)
Subject: Smart Spaces in MML
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:40:51 GMT


  Hi;

  I am writing an MML file, and I want to turn of Smart Spaces (I want to
  be able to have more than 1 space in a row), how do I do this?

  Also, is there any documentaion which is better than what cames from
  Frame on the subject of MML? The pamphlet from Frame makes me feel
  as though it is incomplete.

  Thanks a lot.


  BTW: if this is a common question please respond via e-mail. again, thanks.

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From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Importing editable graphic objects - CGM or PICT
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <16B5EE6EA.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org> M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
<I want to import some drawings from McDraw (Mcintosh) into FrameMaker on SUN..
<I need to be able to edit the individual objects of the imported drawing.
<Does anyone know if this is possible.  If so, how can it be done.
<I tried to do a screen copy from McDraw on the Mac to FrameMaker on the Mac and
<the resulting drawing could not be ungrouped and edited.  Not a good sign?

You are right, not a good sign.  Imported graphics are just that, imported,
not editable.
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From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
Subject: Re: Can't Rotate Text Line
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:31:52 GMT

In article <1jocjmINNe3v@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes:
>
>In article <115410016@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, cdoyle@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Candace Doyle) writes:
>|> The Problem:
>|> 
>|>     I have been unsuccessful in attempting  rotate a text line (...)
>|>
>|>     The 'rotate' on the tools window works as it should, but the
>|>     rotation is too much. I've tried the Ctrl-rgi to rotate it with
>|>     the mouse but it has no effect on the text line but works for
>|>     other objects. (...)
>|> 
>|>     Any ideas?
>
>Yes: Cry! There is no way to rotate text in arbitrary angle. Only 0, 90, 180
>and 360 grad are possible. :-(((

Yes, and No.    While FrameMaker itself does not support rotating text
at any angle other than 0, 90, 180, and 270, FrameMaker does support
Postscript inclusion code in text frames.  Postscript has the inherent
ability to rotate text at any angle.  Anyone who has ever seen any of
my work would immediately notice the word "Draft" that is *behind* a
transparent text frame on the first page of any document I
produce, rotated at a 90 degree angle with 80% fill.

While some think this is an "undocumented feature," there is
documentation.  A file called SpecEff.doc in $FMHOME/docs describes how
to do this in enough detail that anyone should be able to incorporate
rotated text quickly and easily in any document.  Ingenious postscript
programmers should be able to go beyond this minimalistic support for
rotated text and write their own postscript code to include virtually
*any* standard postscript design in a text frame.

Because this is not an optimal solution, and because it does not work
well at all with tables, it is hoped that Frame will modify the Maker
application to support rotation angles of text as a standard for the
next generic release--4.0, due sometime soon.

Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM 

P.S.  A developer told me that my documentaton looks very *commercial*
today.  Uh-huh.  Maybe that's why they pay me.
From: dok_hfa@sovb50pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans-Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: fmbatch screen output redirection
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:16:40 GMT
Reply-To: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de
Organization: Philips Communication Systems, Nuremberg, Germany


In article <1993Jan26.162558.23150@pony.Ingres.COM>, jbigg@Ingres.COM (John Bigg) writes:
|> 
|> Under framemaker 3.0, when using fmbatch it was possible to redirect screen
|> output to /dev/null to allow fmbatch to be called from an application without
|> destroying the screen. e.g.
|> 
|>     fmbatch 2>&1 >/dev/null <fmscript
|> 
|> Since upgrading to 3.1X this no longer works (fmbatch version 0.61), the output
|> is always written to the screen. Has anyone come across and solved this (or am
|> I doing somthing stupid)?
|> 
|> Please help
|> 
Hi,

we are starting fmbatch from within csh using the following line (for example)
  if { ...<path>/fmbatch -i cmdfile >& logfile } then
     <do something useful>
  else
     grep "error" < logfile
  endif

and this works fine.

regards

h.-j.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: David.Mann@launchpad.unc.edu (David Mann)
Subject: MIF files and memory usage
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:07:45 GMT

Does anyone have experience with opening large MIF files using Frame
under Windows?

I'm presently testing a system I wrote to produce a MIF file from 
information in a FoxPro system I developed.  I need to produce 2 
documents from the information, a short and long version.
I just finished the program to
produce the smaller document (about 40 pages, 2 column layout)
and the .MIF file was around 1.7 megs.  The other document
I need to produce is considerably larger and more complicated
(~150 pages, 40 tables,
and cross references), the MIF for this doc is bound to be huge,
will Frame be able to open it?

I'm running a 386-33 with 8 megs of RAM.

Allowing 2 megs from Frame, this leave around 6 megs of available memory,
can Frame handle a > 6 meg MIF file?

Any info would be appreciated - I need to know if the larger document is
'doable' before I start coding its conversion program...

Dave

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From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Importing editable graphic objects - CGM or PICT
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:25:14 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

I want to import some drawings from McDraw (Mcintosh) into FrameMaker on SUN..
I need to be able to edit the individual objects of the imported drawing.
Does anyone know if this is possible.  If so, how can it be done.
I tried to do a screen copy from McDraw on the Mac to FrameMaker on the Mac and
the resulting drawing could not be ungrouped and edited.  Not a good sign?
Thanks in advance.
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From: cah@pdx.csd.mot.com (Chris Huey)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: HELP! Destroyed Frame-File!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:16:48 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Beaverton, OR
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Borris Balzer (borris@boba.rhein-main.de) wrote:
: 
: Hi,
: 
: I m using FrameMaker3 on a NeXT and got a problem!
: I got a file on an OpticlDisk and no backup, the file is damaged (I/O error)  
: and I m searching for a way to restore it, even partly.
: 
: Can anybody help me? Urgent!
: 
: Thanks in advance.
: 
: Borris

Not sure if a NeXT has the 'dd' command but if it does, try:

	dd if=badfile of=newfile bs=1 conv=noerror

which will try to copy badfile to newfile but try to ignore errors if they 
occur.  The bs=1 will cause it to run a bit longer than if you used a larger 
block size but you should be able to restore more of the file this way.

Of course, there's no way to tell whether Frame is going to puke on what's 
left of the file.

Good Luck!

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Comments on Frame Consultant program?
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:03:08 GMT

I am considering enrolling in the Frame Consultant program.
I would be interested in hearing from other Frame Consultants
about their experiences

Please email at karches@holonet.net

Regards,
Tom Karches
karches@holonet.net
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bergslie@iphase.com (Kimberly Bergslien)
Subject: Big/Little 
Summary: It is possible just not super easy.
Organization: Interphase Corporation, Dallas Texas
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:03:56 GMT

BWell, there is a way to accomplish a 12pt cap. with 10pt. cap. in the remaining
word.  Using the Character Format box, create a title such as 10ptfont. Then
in your default font size box choose 10pt.  Now highlight the letters you want
to apply the new font to and from the C Catalogue choose 10ptfont. If your 
document already exists in all caps this change is easy if time consuming. Don't
forget to apply to the C Catalogue when you make your changes.  Hope this helps.

Kim :)
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: hackenbe@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rudi Hackenberg)
Subject: ? Frame-Bib-Support?
Originator: hackenbe@sunbode9.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:17:34 GMT


Hi folks,

Does FrameMaker offer any support for citations/Bibliography ?
I am looking in particular for features as offerd by bibtex.
I am in the process of creating a list of all the papers
floating around in my office. But before storing them in
tex-specific format, I would prefer to use FrameMaker as I do
write articles with Frame too.
A second option might be to have a way to incoorporate bibtex
database somehow into frameMaker.
Any Ideas/Help?

Thanx
Rudi


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From: mpg@Think.COM (Michael Gallagher)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: PICT filter?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:48:28 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: quicksilver.think.com

Hello,

	I am new to this newsgroup so I hope you'll forgive me if 
this is a FAQ, but I'm looking for a filter to bring PICT format 
drawings into Frame in a form that can be edited by the drawing tools 
in Frame. Specifically, I ned to bring diagrams created on Aldus 
Persuasion (tm) into Frame. 

	Actually, if there is an FTP site that holds filters I would 
be thrilled. :-)


Thanks!!!

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht)
Subject: Auto Numbering Bug in Frame 3.1 on UNIX?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:00:45 GMT


I have found that the auto numbering of chapters is not always reliable.
What happens is that when a book is generated, some or all of the files (chapters) increase like they are supposed to and some do not.  So I might have
the following result:

	Chapter 1
	Chapter 2
	Chapter 2
	Chapter 3

Instead of Chapter 1
	   Chapter 2
	   Chapter 3
	   Chapter 4

I called Data General about this at least 6 months ago and after painstakingly
going over all the numbering tags, generation methods, etc. said that it was
a bug and it would be reported to Frame Technolgies.  Has anyone else had
this problem?  What we do now is actually hard code the number in a chapter
into the files so that we don't have this problem.  I guess the worst part
about it is sometimes the auto numbering works and then the next time you
generate the exact same book, it might not.

By the way, does someone from Frame Technoligies monitor this group?  If so,
do you know about this?

Thanks,
Alice
From: field@.cs.pitt.edu.cs.pitt.edu (Brian Field)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: LaTeX, twocolumn, wide tables
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:07:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I have a paper I am trying to typeset in twocolumn mode using the twocolumn
style.  In the paper, I have several tables which are too wide to fit in a
single column while in twocolum mode.  However, LaTeX attempts to squeeze them
in (with poor results).

Is there a simple solution to getting wide tables formatted properly in a
twocolum paper, or am I going to need to switch between one and two column
mode?  Also, I'd prefer not to push the tables to the end of the paper.

Thanks
Brian
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Newsgroups: comp.text
From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: DOS code page to ISO Unix utility?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:06:59 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

Bob Fillmore 992-2832 writes

| Can anyone point me at a Unix utility which will convert a flat
| ASCII file exported out of WordPerfect and FTP'd to Unix?
| 
| In particular, I want it to convert french character codes
| from code page 863 to ISO Latin-1.

If you're running anything that resembles an System V Release 4.x system,
the "iconv" command will perform conversions among the code sets supported
on your system for you. I use "iconv -f PC850 -t 88591 | tr -d \015" to
convert from WP textfiles to ISO 8859-1 files.

Newsgroups: comp.text,misc.writing
From: oleary@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Effects of Poor Paper Quality
Keywords: paper, quality, stock
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:05:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.211705.4427@unislc.uucp> zz@unislc.uucp (Garry Blake)
writes:

>To save money, our corporate printing operation has specified
>the use of very low-quality paper stock in our technical manuals. 
>The paper is very thin, and not at all opaque. Print from the
>back side of each page is clearly visible on the front side.
>Our cover stock is also flimsy, and we practically need a special
>dispensation to print in color - but that's another matter.
>
>I'm leading a local quality-improvement team, and we'd like to
>change to a better paper. We're convinced it would improve our
>products' image. It's hard to have confidence in a product when
>the manual looks like crap, right?
>
>Well, the corporate folks won't budge. They say we need hard data
>to prove that paper makes a difference. So, I appeal to the net;
>do you folks know of any study that correlates user satisfaction
>or product confidence with paper quality? Failing that, does anyone
>have a pithy quotation from some kind of expert that we could use
>as ammunition?

What kind of paper do the corporate folks use?  I'm guessing they use more
expensive paper for writing memos and messages than you use for printing
manuals.  If paper doesn't make a difference, shouldn't the entire company
be using the same stock?  You could even argue that the customer should
be getting better paper than that used by the company.


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From: eia018@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr.A.Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: XyWrite and XyQuest: News?
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:38:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Linguistics at Lancaster University, UK.

Does anyone know what is happening at XyQuest (manufacturers of 
XyWrite)?

I had a mailing from them yesterday advertising an upgrade to
XyWrite 4.  One thing I noticed was that they had moved to Baltimore and 
were described as "The XyQuest Division of The Technology Group Inc.".

The thing that puzzled me more was XyWrite 4.  Less than a year ago,
they were launching a new wordprocessor called Signature, which I
understood from their publicity was set to replace XyWrite and IBM's
Displaywrite.  This publicity seemed to be encouraging XyWrite users to
switch to this new product.  My assumption was that XyWrite would no
longer be upgraded, and that Signature would replace it.  But yesterday
along came a XyWrite 4 mailing.  However, many of the features look to
be almost the same as those advertised for Signature.

What is going on?

Andrew Wilson
Linguistics
Lancaster University, UK
email:  eia018@comp.lancs.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: pbewig@netcom.com (Phil Bewig)
Subject: pic question - what is line by?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:38:15 GMT


I have a pic diagram which uses the construction

    line dotted by A, B

where A and B are numbers indicating a position.
The command generates a syntax error at "by" and
the man page makes no mention of "line by".

What is "line by"?

Thanks,

Phil
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From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:10:12 GMT
Subject: Re: EQN Auto-Numbering of equations
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.text

In comp.text, kevins@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Kevin B. Stanton) writes:

> I am looking for a way to get auto-numbered equations.  I have done this
> for figures already with a simple macro which increments a number
> register, but since eqn comes before [nt]roff in the pipe, the number
> isn't appended to the .EQ until after eqn has processed the files.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Try to find "numeqn". It does what you want.

K. Konstantinides
Xref: sparky comp.text:1603 comp.graphics.gnuplot:670
From: siglun@lotka.teorekol.lu.se (Sigfrid Lundberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: Re: pic/troff driver for gnuplot
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:21:53 GMT
Organization: University of Lund, Sweden
Originator: siglun@lotka.teorekol.lu.se

Yesterday I posted a message concerning a new driver for gnuplot
for use with troff/groff. Pnews claimed that our nntp-server
refused to post, but in spite of that it went through. I attempted
to post several times, and the same message must have been posted
quite a number of time. I appologize for the inconvinience caused
by this.

Yours

Sigfrid
From: mgu@chorus.fr (Marc Guillemont)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: In troff file, how to put a period at the beginnin of a line
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:36:52 GMT

From article <1993Jan27.151509.28315@osf.org>, by wwang@osf.org (Weidong Wang):

> But troff treats every line starts with "." as a command line and this
> line will be ignored. I tried several possible ways and the only 
> woprk around I have now is to put "\ " in front of the period. But 
> that introduices an extra space between the citation of the period.

Simply insert "\&" (null size character) before ".":
\&.
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From: tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s)
Subject: extended \*(xx sequence for .RS/.RF; is it possible?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:43:59 GMT

I use extensively automatic reference processing
in troff/Eroff. However, the standard implementation
allows one to use only a two-character string to name the
reference (I think that's the way troff was set up to
recognize the \*( sequence, right?). 

It's OK when there are 10-20 references in your
document, but the method becomes inefficient
when I have to handle 50-100 at a time, with multiple
occurences of the same reference (search for the name,
go back, etc.).

I'd like to use longer, more descriptive strings,
e.g., \*(weber91a, whose length could be either
constant (at least 6 characters) or length. 
Is it possible? 

Another, related question: is there an internal limit
in troff to the number of references a single document
may have (like the number or registers etc.)?

Tony Gozdz
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