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From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Doonesbury this week
Originator: achin@math
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:47:45 GMT

Has anyone else noticed this week's Doonesbury cartoons?
They're pretty definitive of the "model minority"
stereotype.  Does anyone feel like drafting a complaint,
or are we all worn out from the "Abby" stuff?

(They're actually repeats from 1988, as Garry Trudeau
is on sabbatical.)

Monday:  High school teacher addressing classroom.

Panel 1:  You know there's a lot of talk these days
about how the coming generation lacks competitive fire...

Panel 2:  ...particularly in relation to their Asian
counterparts.  Well, try telling that to *this* high
school and *this* class!

Panel 3:  And especially, try telling it to the *three*
students in this class who have just been named National
Merit Scholars!

Panel 4:  Hoang, Yat-Pang, Kim, would you stand up please?
(Student:  Um... Do we have to?
Student:  Hoang!  Obey our teacher!)

Tuesday:  CM talking to AF.
CM:  Hey, good goin' on the National Merit Scholarship, Kim!
Fairly awesome!
AF:  Thanks, Sean.

CM:  Must be easier to be a grind if you grow up in an Asian
family, huh?
AF:  I wouldn't know.

CM:  Huh?
AF:  I'm adopted.  My parents are Jewish.

CM:  Jewish?  Yo!  Say no more!
AF:  I wasn't planning to.

Wednesday:  CF talking to AF.
CF:  National Merit Scholar!  How did you *do* it, Kim?
AF:  I don't know.  I guess I just study.

CF:  No way.  I tried that once.  You've got some edge.
AF:  Edge?  Like what, Jennifer?

CF:  Some genetic edge.  Getting good grades is a racial
characteristic, isn't it?  An Asian thing.
AF:  You won't tell everyone, will you?

CF:  I *knew* it!  You guys are some sort of superrace,
aren't you?
AF:  We mean you no harm.  We seek only computers for
your young!


...and the media conspiracy <tm> juggernaut rolls on....
See y'all in Berkeley!
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Re: S.C.A.A Party -- August 6
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:11:09 GMT

In article 13287@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>	Come join the second San Francisco Bay Area s.c.a.a gathering
>on Thursday, August 6, in the evening.  (The wide distribution is in
>case anyone's travel plans bring them out this way.)  Our special guest
>Texan will be Andrew Chin. [...]
>P.P.S.  The first party went quite well, with 9 s.c.a.a luminaries turning
>up to meet equally-illustrious-but-more-prolific special guest Texan
>Jim Pak.                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In article E7A@acsu.buffalo.edu, ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang) writes:
>Pak: Well, it all began 3 months ago, when I realized that all those people
>  in soc.culture.asian.american are losers! They're mostly nerdy new immigrants
>  who are destroying the Asian American race! It is because of them, that we
>  goodlooking 5th generation Asian Americans, not to be confused with Asians,
>  are losing popularity with our Caucassian Female goddesses!! Therefore, I
>  did the only thing any competant/righteous Asian American stud would have
>  done: I created my own Asian AMERICAN Mailing List to form a powerhouse
>  of studs that can still grab Caucassian Female goddesses!

I suspect the real studs aren't even logged in.

OK, I 'fess up.  The main reason I've been off the net all summer is that
I've started going out with an Irish-American goddess* whom I happen to 
have adored since high school (12 years ago).  >sigh<  I've realized that
s.c.a.a, together with back-to-back stints at multiethnically backward
universities, had poisoned my outlook on dating, and so it's good to be
with someone who remembers me before it all started.  But we'll be long-
distance when the school year begins, so I imagine I'll be posting again
in full force in the fall.

*Come to the party if you want to see pictures!  :-)
---
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: M. Butterfly
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:03:15 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation

In article <92199.105529U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> U58402@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> . . . .
>This is not to pan this play. I think Hwang wrote a fine piece on
>relations between the sexes, and a so-so piece on East-West relations.

This was my reaction.  When Soong said mockingly "Why do men play all
the women in the Peking Opera?  Because only men know how a woman should
behave!" Hwang was making a comment on men's attitudes everywhere.

>The East-West tensions I thought worked better on a metaphoric level
>than on a literal level.

Well, the juxtaposition of the Madame Butterfly myth and the Gallimard
case was a stroke of genius.  I think Hwang made the right choice in not
allowing the play to become a polemic on East-West relations in general,
since that would have obscured the male/female (and in particular the
European male/Asian female) commentary so richly presented by his source
material.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Degree Envy
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:24:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.015531.19318@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>How about this:  you can't possibly DATE so and so because he only has a bachelors
>degree, i.e. he has no future.  OR she is no good for you because she has a PHD and you only have a bachelors.  

  Ouch.  I've experienced this.  Older generation Asians usually prescribe
  Masters (or Nursing degrees) for girls , and PhD's for boys.  The theory
  is that if a girl has a PhD she can't find a husband.  And to that I say
  baloney, AA guys don't have this hang-up, although I do admit to meeting
  more than one Asian immigrant friend who warned me not to get a PhD because
  I'll never get a husband.  Among some Asian immigrant males, a woman with
  a PhD in Math is considered a side-show freak!
>
>Sometimes I wonder what ever happened to the love of learning for the sake of learning.
>Oh well, I am just a lowly PhD student who took too long to finish, who'd take my
>opinions seriously anyhow?
>
  But I do love to learn.  If I could win the lottery, I'd probably go back
  to grad school (in a different field).
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.224325.29231@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>AAAUUUGGHHHH!!!!!  I can't stand this!  Right after I read this, I tried
>twirling my pen in my hand several times.  I can't even get a half-revolution
>going.  What the hell's the matter with me?  You have no idea how worthless
>I feel right now.  No idea whatsoever...

The secret little grasshopper is to first develope the "chi" in the
thumb and forefinger....
First twirl your thumb until you can feel the Chi-waves eminating from
your thumb....or until you get tire of it.
Then flex your forefinger, until you achieve total chi-concentration ....
(sure sign of this is when with every flex you hear those KUNGFU wind
 sounds!)
Once you have achived these two tasks, you will be at one with the
pencil twirling gods.
Send me $50 and I will send you a "Black belt" in pencil twirling.
You will then be qualified to teach others this secret art!
:) :)

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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:36:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan

Hi guys,

   I just thought of a very interesting question, at least to me...
   Where in the world did FORTUNE COOKIES come from??????????
   In all of my living life in Taiwan, HongKong, and Japan, I have
   never seen anything like what we call the "fortune cookie" here!
   In fact, when I first came to the US, I had to be tought what 
   a fc was!  And I am sure the same goes for the rest of you.
   Did someone invent this idea?  For what purpose?  This question
   has bothered me ever since that first day in 1985 and I would
   appreciate it if someone can shed some light to this mystery!
   BTW, I went back to Taiwan a couple years ago, hoping to find
   some trace of fc anywhere, think I found any?

   I am also wondering why the people here define "sushi" as raw
   fish?  I've had so many sushis in my life and never once did
   I see any sign of fish in my sushis!  (well, maybe dried fish
   or something like that)

   Finally, where did the name Eggroll come from?  In Taiwan we call
   them "Spring Roll", since we eat them during the spring on the
   "Tomb Sweeping" day in April, and eventually it grew so popular
   that people just eat them anytime.  But that still doesn't
   explain where the EGG comes from!  :-)  What I know as an eggroll
   is like a fruit rollup made of egg!

   Well? 


   Brandon
--
Brandon S. Ou               Computer Science    
University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK"
From: db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas S. Brashear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Pencil Twirling & Tech Writing
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:16:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UeS1L3a00WBMM2rYcI
Organization: Sophomore, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I like this thread- it beats all the "racism" stuff!

Here at CMU, I have yet to notice anybody twirling their pencils...hey,
tell me how, maybe I can start a new trend! (hahaha)
I never noticed it when visiting family at Harvard or Penn either!
Maybe I can make it a "Technical Writing" thing at CMU...
BTW, does anybody out there know of any other schools in the country
that offer Technical Writing Major programs- when I applied to CMU
several years ago, I was under the impression that (at least then) it
was the only school in the country to offer this major...
any input would be great...
also, if you are knowledgeble on the subject, can you possibly describe
the basic curiculum- here there are the standard core courses (psych,
philosophy, writing) then more core science courses (chem, bio, physics)
then a ton of sci & tech courses (any science, comp sci, engineering
courses offered- to give you a basic knowledge of everything?!) and then
the heavy english & specialized tech writing courses (discoursive
practices, advanced pro & tech writing, etc)
Thanks much!
DOUG
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <3637@randvax.rand.org>, edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
|>From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
|>Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
|>Date: 24 Jul 92 18:58:44 GMT
|>
|>In article <131394@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
|>>I think that's very foolish of him to ask that question since only US
|>>citizens can work in government research labs.
|>
|>If I'm not mistaken, this is no longer an absolute requirement for NIST,
|>although I've little doubt it is for LLNL.
|>
|>In any case, even innocent questions can be asked in malicious ways.
|>And the fact that it was the "chief" and not someone in personnel who
|>asked the question /is/ strange.  I don't blame Mr. Hira for feeling
|>harrassed.

As far as I know, all full time staff must be citizens. Whether this goes
for Postdocs, summer students working for profs, etc., I don't know.

The position I was applying for was a full time staff position that definitely
required it.

Ron

|>		-Ed Hall
|>		edhall@rand.org
                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:02:03 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>(Mr. Fester (fester@island.com) ought to read the inside of his
>passport, concerning dual citizenship, before he posts again.)

Once again, I'd like to direct Mr. Joe and others' attention to my
article based on information posted by Rich Wales at UCLA CS and some
of my own research for my own "peculiar" situation ... a passport
cannot fully explain a telephone-book sized tome of laws, and because
of INS's border-check philosophy anybody with a U.S. passport should
use it when entering the United States.  

Rich's FAQ appears on Misc.jobs.misc and Misc.legal, and also sometimes
Soc.culture.canada when Ted Kaldis gets tired of bashing gays and goes
looking for beavers ... (-;

[One of Mr. Kaldis' pastimes is flushing out Americans who are living
or studying abroad (of which we have many in Canada, althought it's
*not quite* abroad) who deign to leave this great land for more than 
a quick trip ... his beef against Canadians goes back to their having
been the Loyalists rather than joining the Union ...]

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
From: kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Chinese American stamps
Date: 31 Jul 1992 05:07:32 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.42

The following is reproduced here without permission:

It appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle, Thursday 30 July 1992, page A16
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New Stamp Will Honor Chinese Americans

by L.A. Chung
   Chronicle Staff Writer

For the first time in its 145-year philatelic history, the U.S. government
will issue a stamp honoring cultural contributions of Chinese Americans,
postal officials said yesterday.
    The stamp, which will be unveiled Saturday in San Jose at the national
convention of the Organization of Chinese Americans, commemorates the lunar
New Year.  Chinese in San Francisco began celebrating the holiday during
Gold Rush times, said Judy Winiarz of the U.S. Postal Service.
    "We feel the stamp captures the spirit of our dream of being part of the
American mainstream and yet not losing our cultural heritage," said Claudine
Cheng, president of the organization, who worked for 18 months to bring the
stamp into being.
    Although the design of the stamp is a secret, 1993 is the Year of the
Rooster and sources said the stamp will carry the Chinese characters "Ji
Nian," for Rooster Year, which begins on January 23.  The Postal Service
named the stamp "Happy New Year."  It will be issued in late December in San
Francisco.
    Neither the Postal Service, formed in 1971, nor the U.S. Postal
Department, created by Congress in 1789, have ever issued a stamp
commemorating the contributions of Chinese Americans.  The Postal Department
began issuing stamps in 1847.  Before that, patrons simply paid the mail
carrier.
    It is a special victory for Jean Chen, of Atlanta, who began a letter-
writing campaign in 1989.  Every year, only 40 to 60 stamp designs are
chosen from as many as 300,000 requests.  When Cheng took office as
president of the Organization of Chinese Americans in 1991, she began
lobbying hard.
    From U.S. Representative Barbara Boxer, D-San Francisco/Marin, Cheng
got an introduction to then-Postmaster General Anthony Frank, a Belvedere
resident.  U.S. Representative Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, arranged
a bipartisan congressional letter of support.  Cheng got support from non-
Chinese organizations, such as the American Jewish Committee and the Japanese
American Citizens League.  And she got Chinese Americans such as
internationally known architect I. M. Pei, cellist Yo-yo Ma and playwright
David Henry Hwang to send letters.
    Cheng's group suggested a number of stamp subjects once the Postal
Service approved the idea, including the 50th anniversary of the repeal of
the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the 125 anniversary of the
Transcontinental Railroad, which was completed with a workforce that was
nearly 90 percent Chinese.
    Cheng hopes there will be enough demand for the stamps that the Postal
Service will issue a stamp series of the 12 animals of the Chinese lunar
calendar.
From: oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:54:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul30.224325.29231@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>AAAUUUGGHHHH!!!!!  I can't stand this!  Right after I read this, I tried
>twirling my pen in my hand several times.  I can't even get a half-revolution
>going.  What the hell's the matter with me?  You have no idea how worthless
>I feel right now.  No idea whatsoever...
>
>And I thought it was all in the genetics...

I learned pencil-twirling from a non-Asian (white) person in my high school.

Jim, the trick is to keep your thumb motionless.  And once you master pencil
twirling with one hand, it is quite easy to do it with the other hand.

However, people seem more impressed when I spin a book on my finger.

-- 

						Woody Oshiro
						oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu
From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:09:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.yuan1.712501792
 <1992Jul29.214252.28023@oakhill.sps.mot.com> 
 <1992Jul30.023044.7534@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <1992Jul30.050652.28516@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Distribution: na

ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>Funny, my impression at Stanford was that it wasn't an Asian thing; it
>was a liberal-arts thing (Asian-American or not).  I attributed this
>to the fact that the liberal-arts people frequently held writing
>implements, whereas the techies knew better than to try twirling
>19" monitors...

:-)  Well, at Harvard it definitely seems to be a pre-med/biology major
thing.  Which by extension makes it an Asian thing (big :-) ).

-nhy
-- 
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Nina H. Yuan                               "It's a miracle that curiosity
nina@panix.com                              survives formal education."
yuan1@husc.harvard.edu                                  - Albert Einstein
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:34:00 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: na
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106


In article <HIEBELER.92Jul23181926@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>In article <24678@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
>> In Chinese, cheese transliterates into che-ssz ("qi4-zi3" in
>> pinyin) or "vexed to death", which would be a good description of
>> how it tastes to many Chinese.

Did you catch my spelling mistake above ? It should be written 
qi4-si3 (whup, whup, Joe's ears getting batted...).

>  Hmmm, but do people actually call it that in China?  If so, I could
>see why they wouldn't like to eat it!  The term for "cheese" that I
>learned though was "nai3 lao4".

Did you get that term from a Chinese-English dictionary?  In the 
admittedly few discussions I've had in Chinese about cheese, we
tended to use the English word "cheese" rather than an obscure
Chinese translation. That would be the equivalent of talking to
Americans about "beche-de-mer", which is a more correct way to
refer to hai3shen1, commonly referred to in restaurants as sea 
cucumbers or sea slugs. 

In Harbin, which has a lot of Russian influences, the food stores 
carried a Russian cheese covered with bright red-colored wax. I 
think the locals just called it "hongluobuo" or "red radish".

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.184201.13503@ichips.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>In article <14fq65INNj0p@agate.berkeley.edu>, judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
>> 1. Asian Americans are not White.
>
>I wouldn't be so sure.  Filipinos, for example, span the whole color spectrum.
>There are some who could pass for white, others for chinese, some for black,
>some for hispanic.  This is the result of centuries of intermarriages.  Maybe that's
>why Filipinos are not often included in statistics of Asians (more political
>reasons?).
Reminds me of something interesting a friend of mine told me.  He said that
we (E Asian) look "white" to him (Asian Indian).  So its really a matter of
relative degree and perspective I guess.

BTW: I gad to go back and edit my reference to Asian meaning East Asians
and Asian Indians, When I realized both were "Asians".  See the trouble with
THAT word. ITS simply ambiguous.  If I used the word Oriental, I doubt anyone
would have any confusion.  Only it may offend people who has some strange
emotional baggage attached to that word.. Oh well.
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:02:58 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

My first post to this newsgroup, with encouragement from Clare.

Well, some of you have made references to the experiences you've had
about being asked your nationality. So I'll add my $0.02 worth.

I work at federal gov't research lab, and I'll relate to you what happened
at my interview for this position. I had just finished my Masters degree
and was looking for a job of course. My current boss called me in for an
interview and everything went well, we gabbed for 3 hrs. At the end of
the interview, he asked me if I was willing to give my Thesis presentation
to the whole division. Of course I replied affirmatively. At the second
interview, after my presentation, I was to meet with all of the managers
at my boss' level individually and their boss, the chief of the division.

I had just finished my hour long presentation and answered questions, and 
the next thing to do was to meet with the chief. The first question that
came out of his mouth was, "Are you a US citizen?" I was pretty taken
aback, but didn't retort anything (something I regret). I'm an asian 
indian who was born and raised in the US, and shit like this pisses me
off, but white friends shrug it off like its his job to ask me that 
question. Who wants to bet that he *never* asks white applicants that 
question? 

Ron