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From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:19:50 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:

>In article <carlp.724103077@frigg>, carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>> 
>> Oh, Hell, Ken - I guess I'll take doh #0000001340.  I was gonna ignore

>Ah, company!!!
>In Message-ID: <22783@drutx.ATT.COM> on 8 Dec 92 18:44:10 GMT, I wrote:

>> car377@druhi.att.com
>> doh #0000001340

>Wow, someone to share my doh number with!  That's what I like about
>the doh: no stiff rules about unique numbers, unlike the DoD, which
>sometimes exhibits Creeping Overt Organizational Rigidity Syndrome. (COORS)

Hmmm.  net.propagation no more perfect than my brain, I claimed a
used, soiled, greasy old number.  However much I may like the notion
of sharing a number, I hereby request doh #0000001338 - which as we
all know is the (claimed) actual displacement of (stock) evo bigtwins.

>Of course, I was sorta hoping for Seth, but c'est la vie!  I guess 
>this makes us buddies, eh Carl?  Say, does this mean can I borrow your 
>bike tomorrow?  

Sure, drop on by.  If you can get here across the black ice, I can let
you ride Bill for a while.  I've been meaning to do the Marvel Mystery
Oil cylinder treatment and remove the battery and put him in the
neighbor's garage for the winter, but I won't have it done by
tomorrow.

Ken - if you're actually keeping a list, put me down for 0000001338,
but I reserve the right to use this:

-- Carl, doh #0000001340 (two of two)
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG         | "The good news is that Clinton will have to
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA |  work very hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439        |  of economic policy.  The bad news is that he
 Mail: carlp@mail.isc-br.com   |  will probably manage to do so." - Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Problems with the 'Ol Sport, r.m.h flame
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:58:29 GMT


>I posted the original message to both rec.motorcycles.harley and
>rec.motorcycles. This is the only response that I've gotten via r.m.h.
>I've gotten six responses from rec.motorcycles. I expected it to be
>the other way around.  Kinda disheartening.

   OK, don't get too upity. I was going to post my thoughts on this
problem here when the dreaded message was broadcast, "The system is
going down for maintainence, everyone logout now!". So, when I looked
again, your posting was gone, but it was there on rec.motorcycles.misc
so I answered it there. BFD. Never snivel, people will think you
have a cold and stop talking to you.

      Anyway, I have a quick and easy way of sorting out the oil
lines. Since you have decided (wisely) to take it back and make the
shop who did it set things right, I won't post it now, as it is rather
long when explained properly. If you or anyone else express interest,
I will be happy to share this experience.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
  


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:01:51 GMT

Just something else to think about...
 
The dealer I'm getting my 1200 from told me his mechanics had done several
of the 883 to 1200 conversions, but had problems with the bikes vibrating
even more than a factory 1200.  They ended up splitting the cases on the
bike to rebalance the crank.

-Tim Seiss
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Yuppie Harleys, NEW BIKE, rantings
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:06:48 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

It is time again for the regular ranting and raving at
the yuppie scum who just bought a brand new
Harley as their first bike or are about to. 

GET A SOUL!

Ach!  It didn't work.  I'm still pissed.  OK, let's
try again.  YOU DIDN'T BUY A HARLEY BECAUSE THERE HASN'T
BEEN A _REAL_ HARLEY BUILT SINCE 1960.  Ahhh, much better.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: rtayloe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert W Tayloe Jr)
Subject: Re: NEW BIKE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:55:10 GMT


I recently (October) got a black 93 FXDL Dyna Low Rider.  This is my first
Harley and is a great bike! I bought it at Farrow's HD in Columbus.  I really
liked the laid back attitude of the Harley folks that I've met.  The cold
weather is limiting the riding time and I'm looking forward to spring for
some longer rides.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:06:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.165317.7026@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.112956.9666@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>doh designations are 10 digits.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^
>
>That sounds like a metric system.  Harleys aren't metric.

you'd be suprised how many metric (and hybrid metric) parts there are
in a evo harley.

besides, #0000000001 of doh lives in canada, we are metric. actually, S.I.

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Problems with the 'Ol Sport, r.m.h flame
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:03:13 GMT

--

The oil lines could be backwards. The routing diagram in the manual
I have is not that good. I could see where if you didn't take notes
you could route them backwards. Check this yourself, first.

However, here's another scenario. Did the machine shop knurl the
valve guides? Or maybe they went a little nuts with the reamer.
HD valve guides should never be knurled for a street motor. All out
drag motors are an exception.

Another thing to have them check is the breather timing. 

I hear ya about the tech level of this newsgroup. Sometimes I think
I'm talking to a brick wall. The only way to get it started is to keep
posting.

Good luck with your Snortster

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:37:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Yuppie Harleys, NEW BIKE, rantings
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / davek@Central.Sun.COM / 12:46 pm  Dec 12, 1992 /

>I thought this newsgroup was for people into motorcycles.

It is at that, but deviations from the norm are tolerated
especially tongue-in-cheek humor and tireless tirades as
we're all human beings with a great love for motos and
life which overflows the normal channels and drenches
innocent people such as yourself. :-) 

>What's with all the assholes trying to convince everyone 
>that they're the only ones cool enough to ride a Harley.

Low self-esteem? Riding a phallic symbol inflates one's sense
of well-being which, in and of itself, is a good thing(tm) as
we all need a visceral high from the daily grind. 

>Seems like these guys should start posting to Alt.ShitHeads
>and let the rest of us talk bikes.

OK, I'll talk bikes...seen the 1993 Triumph brochure yet? Boy,
are those limeys cool or what? Oops, wrong newsgroup...I'm out
of here!!! :-) :-) :-) 

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
'I'm cool enough to ride a Harley without a @*@#&$ helmet.'
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: High pressure wash (used to be - Re: 1340 Engine "Recall")
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:03:57 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec16.085018.1@skcla.monsanto.com>,
mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>My mother-in-law read about a "Harley Recall" in yesterday's paper,
>which,
>paraphrased, stated:
>
>	"1340 cc engines, in FX, FXR, FL, FXD...may have a problem with the
>         carburetor, causing fuel overflow to the ground".
>
>I called Harley Customer service (414.342.4680), and obtained the
>following
>clarification:
>
>   The problem has been reported on ONE motorcycle (happened to be an
>   employee's), where water seeped into the battery/starter relay
>system.  If
>   water closes the circuit, it will heat up, potentially causing a
>fire.  The
>   representative recommended that owners avoid high pressure wash
>systems,
>   which can cause water to creep into the closed system.  He said that
>>   virtually all of the newer bikes use the system, and that, as a
>precaution,
>   just to make sure that the system is dry.

Another thing to avoid in high pressure wash systems is hosing down the
wheel bearings. I just wrap 'em up in saran wrap........

Just a thought.........

Eddie Kieger doh# 0000000013

(yeah roid, I'm a wimpy yuppie scumbag. Boy, I know some people'd get 
a kick outta that one. Loosen up. We're just havin fun. Whadda ya want 
from us techie-nerds??)


Don't tread on me..........................................I bite
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Eddie Kieger                             efk00@cd.amdahl.com 
For Pay:      System Design Engineer     Amdahl Corp.
              Bringing you better mainframe computers
For Fun:      "River Rat"                SBU-XI SPECWARGRU1 (USNR)
              Bringing hellfire and brimstone to a river near you!
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: land-splitting etiquette
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:09:19 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	OH for chirst's sake, someone saw a correlation between the
	expensive quality of a paint job and cager etiquette/recogniton.

	Shall I revive the blue-collar, working class venom?  Does this
	bimbo's statement indicate yet another plane of the yuppie's
	penchant for $ based ethics and etiquette?

	Say 'yes' and give me an address. Jesus, I hate that shit.
	Get real.
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: NEW BIKE
Date: 9 Dec 92 17:53:42 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

Well, I made the plunge!  Put a down-payment on a '93 Saphire Blue FXDL
Dyna Low Rider.  Will be picking it up at the Harley York plant on March
5th.  Hope it will be good day for riding!

No more a wannabe and soon-to-be worthy to be a member of HOG.

- Jerry
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:53:46 GMT

In article <82490021@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|
|The Ducatis are the trendiest motos at the moment. 

Not here.  In the Chicago area, Harleys, bulletbikes, `Bagos, and UJMs still
rule, in that order.  The local Ducati dealer doesn't even have any on the
floor, and hasn't since mid summer.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: 1340 Engine "Recall"
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:50:18 GMT

My mother-in-law read about a "Harley Recall" in yesterday's paper, which,
paraphrased, stated:

	"1340 cc engines, in FX, FXR, FL, FXD...may have a problem with the
         carburetor, causing fuel overflow to the ground".

I called Harley Customer service (414.342.4680), and obtained the following
clarification:

   The problem has been reported on ONE motorcycle (happened to be an
   employee's), where water seeped into the battery/starter relay system.  If
   water closes the circuit, it will heat up, potentially causing a fire.  The
   representative recommended that owners avoid high pressure wash systems,
   which can cause water to creep into the closed system.  He said that 
   virtually all of the newer bikes use the system, and that, as a precaution,
   just to make sure that the system is dry.

Sounds like quite a remote thing, but thought I'd pass it on, in case others
have read about the "recall".  I can't be certain about the exact wording of
the news article; my mother-in -law is quite "colorful" at times!

Michael Menard


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:56:10 GMT

--

In article <1992Dec14.183830.17931@pts1.pts.mot.com>, ep502ca@pts.mot.com
(CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Path:
|
ryn.mro4.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!uunet!ftpbox!mot
thost!pts1!mug87!ep502ca
|>From: ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091)
|>Subject: 883 to 1200 Conversion
|>Message-ID: <1992Dec14.183830.17931@pts1.pts.mot.com>
|>Sender: usenet@pts1.pts.mot.com
|>Nntp-Posting-Host: mcv30
|>Reply-To: ep502ca@pts.mot.com
|>Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
|>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:38:30 GMT
|>Lines: 19
|>
|>What's the best wat to convert an 883 to 1200.  I've heard there are a number
|>of
|>methods to do this.  What are the pros and cons of each.
|>
|>  1) Change to 1200 jugs and use Harley factory pistons and have combustion
|>     chambers modified.
|>
|>  2) Bore cylinders to 1200 size and use factory pistons and modify heads.
|>
|>  3) Bore cylinders to 1200 and use Wiseco pistons with no head changes.

4) Bore cylinders to 1200 size, use forged pistons and have the heads opened
    and flowed by someone who knows what they're doing, like Mackie, Baisley

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2751 P7091)
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Reply-To: ep502ca@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:07:13 GMT

 
>The dealer I'm getting my 1200 from told me his mechanics had done several
>of the 883 to 1200 conversions, but had problems with the bikes vibrating
>even more than a factory 1200.  They ended up splitting the cases on the
>bike to rebalance the crank.


Did the dealer use the factory 1200 pistons?  I heard these pistons are 53 grams
heavier than the 883 parts.  This would cause the balance of the motor to be way off.

I heard the forged 1200 Wiescos are lighter.  Does anyone know if they weigh the same
as the factory 883 pistons?  Has anyone had any experience with these?  Perhaps
the phone number for Wiesco?

thanks,
Chuck

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Retail prices of '93 sportsters
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:39:53 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>Does anybody out there have a list of the M.S.R.P's of the 
>'93 sportster line? 

A slight correction to my last post of the co-worker that ordered the
'94 XLH-1200 for $7295.00, that includes getting the larger 3.25 gallon
peanut gas tank installed by the dealer at delivery time in early Sept '93.

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Evo's and Synthetic Oil
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:30:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <101447@netnews.upenn.edu> ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) writes:
>My brother was considering using synthetic oil in his '92 FXRS (after the
>break in period).  He spoke to 2 dealers that told him that synthetic is
>OK for the bearings in cars but it isn't OK for the bearings in the FXRS.
>Any comments?

Don't do it. I tried it and changed back to HD oil after a couple hundred
miles. The engine really does make a little more power while it is cold but
the synthetic oils get thin as water as soon as the engine heats up, followed
soon by the oil tank getting *extremely* hot. Also the general consensus is that
synthetics are too slippery for roller-type rod and crankshaft bearings,
causing the rollers to slip instead of roll which will cause erratic wear
patterns (i.e. likely trash the bearings, crankshaft, and rods).

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg)
Subject: Re: Thunderheader
Keywords: exhaust 
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:03:48 GMT

I've got the Rich products Thunderheader on my '92
XLH and it looks good and sounds great.  In fact, it
may be a bit too loud for some tastes (i.e., sets off
car alarms).  It's supposed to be a performance
enhancer, but the previous owner put it on, so I
don't know about that.  On the con, it does accentuate
the backfires quite a bit.

Cheers,

Ed Alcoff

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Evo's and Synthetic Oil
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:54:26 GMT


>In article <101447@netnews.upenn.edu> ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) writes:
>>My brother was considering using synthetic oil in his '92 FXRS (after the
>>break in period).  He spoke to 2 dealers that told him that synthetic is
>>OK for the bearings in cars but it isn't OK for the bearings in the FXRS.
>>Any comments?
>
>Don't do it. I tried it and changed back to HD oil after a couple hundred
>miles. The engine really does make a little more power while it is cold but
>the synthetic oils get thin as water as soon as the engine heats up, followed
>soon by the oil tank getting *extremely* hot. Also the general consensus is thatsynthetics are too slippery for roller-type rod and crankshaft bearings,
>causing the rollers to slip instead of roll which will cause erratic wear
>patterns (i.e. likely trash the bearings, crankshaft, and rods).

 
     I posted this before, but it's worth a rerun. Harley started
using a crankpin in the '60s with 3 oil holes so the forked rod
could get more oil. They discontinued this in a short time because
the extra oil cause the bearing rollers to skid and develop flat
spots.
    This applies to all engines with rollerbearing crankshafts, if
too much regular oil will cause this problem, so will oil that is
too slippery!
    If you really want to do something that will have the effect
you might expect from synthetic oil, slick-50 etc. look into a
treatment the do on aircraft engines. The engine is disassembled
and all friction surfaces are coated with a baked on substance that
looks like molybdenum disulfide. According to a report in Flying
some years ago, a guy blew an oil line, pumped the engine dry, and
flew another hour and a half before he could find a place to land.
They tore the engine down, measured everything, and nothing had to
be replaced or refinished. Without this treatment, the usually last
less than 20 minutes with no oil.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Yuppie Harleys, NEW BIKE, rantings
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:39:07 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <37924@cbmvax.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:

>In article <1gdj40INNce2@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> davek@Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>What's with all the a*s*o*e* trying to convince everyone 
>>that they're the only ones cool enough to ride a Harley.
>>
>I just try to ignore their rantings.  It's just a vent for their
>frustration because they can't afford a new bike.  They justify
>their old bike as being a `real' Harley and generalize in their
>statement that everyone who can afford a new bike must be a Yuppie.

>To be cool one must apparently have a blue collar and a red neck.
>What's interesting is that they know how to use a computer, isn't
>that Yuppie domain?  Now I'm generalizing... I must be as bad as
>they are.

>- Jerry

Ha! This shit really cracks me up!
Yes. If I could afford a "new" bike, it would be a softtail custom or a heritageI mean....why tear up my shovelheads if I didn't have to. I would use the evos
for wear & tear, and the shovels for show & go. Is that yuppie? Is that poser?
Me don't knows?

Things I'm aware of:

Evos are better engineered, last longer, run cooler, and (for now) cost more.
Shovels (in my opinion) Look nicer, and are more nostalgic. Just my personal
opinion. If you don't want to wrench, get a evo. If you don't mind wrenching
get a shovel before they're all over in Europe!

As far as "knowing how to use a computer".... get real! That's insulting.
Tell you what though.......I'd rather be wrenching on my shovel, than hacking
on this keyboard on a Saturday morning!


Greazy side toward the asphalt!

Matthew

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:00:48 GMT


> Yes. PeltierEffect.  Same principle as a thermocouple, but runs in reverse.

OK, for us dunces, can somebody explain the Peltier effect.

"I may be deef but I'm not dumb...."   -- attributed to Bullwinkle.