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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #94
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:24:02 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Fri, 10 Apr 92       Volume 10 : Issue 94 

Today's Topics:

      [*] DDExpand 3.7.3 - for DiskDoubler (AutoDoubler) documents
      3-D Modeling Program
      [Robotic Systems <robots@mixcom.mixcom.com> : Wanted: System 7 HD
      Answer to uses for 256K video Simms after upgrading LC to 512K.
      Application multiple launches
      Best FORTRAN compiler for Mac (answer to recent questions)
      Command Symbol (R)
      fax/line manage
      FileMaker Pro Crash (Q)
      FORTRAN 77 for the Mac
      FORTRAN 77 for the Mac (A)
      FORTRAN77 for the Mac (R)
      How do you generate the clover symbol on command key?  (A)
      how to type cloverleaf key
      How to update White Knight (A)
      Hypercard Information
      HyperCard Questions...Some answers...
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #93
      In Use and Happy Birthday
      isopropanol (last time)
      Launch limits and A.S. 3.0 [R]
      Mac II on side
      Mac LC II PDS slot (A)
      Microsoft Excel 4.0?
      MIDI PROBLEMS!?
      need opinions on 13-15" color monitors (Q)
      Networked In/Out/Back-at utility??
      Nisus/XTND (Q)
      One free hour of American Online, what to get?(Q)
      pcx to mac grahpics conversion
      Pencil erasers and contacts..
      PERT Charts & Project Management/Planning
      PostScript is not PostScript
      PRAM Utility (with NodeID)
      Quicktime
      Resedit forced to quit while trying to open files (A)
      Screen fonts ??? (A)
      SE will not boot off external drive
      The Cloverleaf (Splat) Key (A)
      The power of aliases (C)
      Tune Up DOA
      Upgrading White Knight (A)
      users at GWU or G-Town (Q)
      Why do a Mac SE and II behave differently (A)
      Word 5 Irritations / Zapped Icons

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 23:13:28 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: [*] DDExpand 3.7.3 - for DiskDoubler (AutoDoubler) documents

This is DDExpand 3.7.3 for use if you don't own Disk Doubler or
AutoDoubler and you find yourself with a DD document (obtained via a LAN
for example)

[Archived as /info-mac/util/ddexpand-373.hqx; 101K]

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Date: 10 Apr 92 08:59:33 U
From: "Tom Scott" <tom_scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu>
Subject: 3-D Modeling Program

                       Subject:
                       3-D Modeling Program
I have a user that needs the have recommendations for a 3-D modeling program. 
He's been using Easy 3D, but just got a new IIsi with System 7, and says that
it does a crash & burn.  He needs something that's relatively easy to use and
fast.  Any recommendations?  

Please give a brief synopsis of features of the program that you recommend.  It
will help in making an informed decision.  Thanks!  ;-)

 From the desk of:
Tom Scott

 Cornell University

 Carpenter Hall Annex
 Phone: (607) 255-0966
 Tom_Scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 7:54:31 CDT
From: Robotic Systems <robots@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: [Robotic Systems <robots@mixcom.mixcom.com> : Wanted: System 7 HD

Hi Info-Mac!

Does anyone out there know of a Freeware or Shareware System 7
Hard Disk Drive Formatter? I have a CMS SD45U which I need to
format. The hard disk formatter which comes on the DiskTools disk
of System 7 does not format non-Apple drives.

Thanks.

CLINT LASKOWSKI: robots@mixcom.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:20 N
From: <HEWAT%FRILL52.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> (HEWAT@FRILL.BITNET FAX FRANCE[33] 76-48-39...)
Subject: Answer to uses for 256K video Simms after upgrading LC to 512K.

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Dwight Lemke asked:

>Outside of making jewelry, for which I have no talent (among other things)
>what can I do with the 256K VSIMM that I took out of my LC when I upgraded
>to a 512K VSIMM?

The LC 256K VSIMM's (video memory) can be used in the Quadra machines (but not
the 512K VSIMM's you used for the upgrade.  (You'd need 4-6 for 24bit color).
Otherwise, you can use them for earings ! But if you are throwing them away,
throw them my way, and I'll send you a post card from France !

Alan Hewat, ILL, 156X Grenoble Cedex, 38042 France (email Hewat@FRILL.bitnet)

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:32:16 PLT
From: Tim Rushing <RUSHING@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
Subject: Application multiple launches

In Info-Mac Digest vol. 10 #93  Chris Sullivan writes:

>Eventhough PacerLink5.2b or StatviewSE+are set for 10 launches,
>once the package is opened by one user, the others are locked out
>(busy or missing error)

 I help manage a Macintosh lab, and we had a similar problem
after upgrading from Word 4.0b to 4.0d.  Our technical support
staff advised us to use ResEdit to allow multiple launches.  The
procedure is as follows:

 1.  Start ResEdit
 2.  Do not open any application.  Instead, use the "Get
File/Folder info..." under the file menu.
 3.  Click the "Shared" box.

After doing this with our copy of Word 4.0d, all users could open
it.  I imagine this will solve your problem.

  Tim Rushing  (rushing@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu)
  Lab Manager
  IALC Microlab
  Washington State University
  Pullman, WA  99164-5110

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:04 N
From: <HEWAT%FRILL52.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> (HEWAT@FRILL.BITNET FAX FRANCE[33] 76-48-39...)
Subject: Best FORTRAN compiler for Mac (answer to recent questions)

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>Recently someone asked about existing FORTRAN compilers for the Mac.
>I do not recall seeing any replies written to the digest.  Is there
>such a compiler, or at least a good FORTRAN code editor available.

I have used various versions of 3 different compilers: Language Systems,
Absoft and MicroSoft (its OK, the later was really written by Absoft, and
Absoft still market an updated version). Each has its advantages.

1) MacFortran 2.1 (MS-absoft) has a debugger built in, that allows you to
step through the code, display the contents of variables etc. (cf The
advantages of THINK Pascal over MPW Pascal).  However it has a non-standard
way of accessing the Mac tool box, and it is getting rather old, and not
a high priority with absoft for updates.  Even so, it produces fast code
that even runs under system 7 and the new Macs including the Quadra !
(amazing !) It can compile for non-fpu Macs. And it is less expensive than
the others.

2) MacFortan-II (absoft).  Completely different beast. Produces the fastest
code, especially for the Quadra, many Fortran-90 extensions, compatible with
most Vax and IBM extensions, source compatible with other absoft compilers
for a wide range of workstations, uses Fortran-90/Pascal structures etc.
A professional compiler, but not completely happy with old spaghetti type
code produced by amatures.  No in-built debugger, runs under MPW only, and
only on fpu equiped Macs. Produces code only for fpu-Macs. Standard Pascal
type toolbox calls, and elementary Mac interface (menus, windows) produced
automatically if required.

3) Language Systems. Code almost as fast as MacFortran-II, not quite as fast
for the Quadra, but maybe faster at compiling.  Fewer options and easier to
use. Produces slightly better automatic Mac interface. Again an MPW compiler
using Fortran-90/Pascal structures, making tool box calling as easy as from
Pascal. No in-built debugger. Produces code for non-fpu Macs as well as for
fpu. Compatible with most Vax and IBM extensions.

CONCLUSION: It depends on what you want and who you are. For amatures developing
programs without a Mac interface, Macfortran 2.1 is fine.  If you want the
fastest code, especially on the Quadra, and you don't care about lower class
Macs without fpu, you will upgrade to MacFortran-II.  If the difference
between 1.7 megaflops and 1.3 on a Quadra is not important, you will go for
Language Systems.  Modern Fortran is still the way to go for numeric
calculation, but you may want to write the Mac interface in THINK Pascal,
(a really friendly engine) avoiding their extensions so that it will also
compile with MPW-Pascal, in which case you can easily link in the Fortran
routines for number crunching.

Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, France (email Hewat@FRILL.bitnet)

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:34:28 PST
From: ISCJCW@uccvma.ucop.edu
Subject: Command Symbol (R)

From:  Jerry Wilcox             ISCJCW@UCCVMA    (510)987-0516
Subject: Command Symbol (R)

If you are using System 7 and have the TrueType Chicago font, the Command Key
(cloverleaf) symbol may be generated as Control-Q in TT Chicago (at whatever
size you like).

If I remember the documentation for PopChar, the author indicated that there
was a reason why all possible characters were not shown for TrueType fonts,
but I don't have a copy handy with which to verify that.

Disclaimer: These are my own personal opinions, not my employer's.
+ Jerry Wilcox -- ISCJCW@UCCVMA.ucop.edu -- phone: (510)987-0516 +

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Date: 10 Apr 92 13:48:04 U
From: "Tom Scott" <tom_scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu>
Subject: fax/line manage

                       Subject:
                       RE>fax/line manage
could you drop me the number of dartek for their fax/line manager and also do
you know if the relay makes you dial the number and then like wait a few
seconds and then dial 2 or 3 or whatever or does it automatically know where to
go, reason i ask is cause i thought modem tones and fax tones were about the
same
 ----------------------------
Dartek's phone # is (800) 832-7835.  They just faxed me a spec sheet on the Fax
Line Manager.  I'll give you some excerpts from it (I'm just going to
substitute FLM in):
    "All phones will ring normally. When someone answers the call or the
answering machine picks up, FLM answers simultaneously and listens for a fax
tone or a modem transfer signal.  If a fax or modem signal is detected, the FLM
will transfer the call to the proper machine.  You can also push '33' on your
telephone to activate the fax machine from any extension phone.  After four
rings, if no one answers, the call will be forwarded to the fax.  The number of
rings is easily programmed by the user."

"AutoAnswer (tm) -- Control all of your business phones.
     FLM answers all incoming calls after only one ring, and transfers them to
the appropriate device--to the fax, modem or continue to ring for a voice call.
 The AutoAnswer mode is designed for any office installation, even with a PBX
or key system.  Automatic fax calls are routed to the fax machine without
ringing the telephone system.  All other calls (voice, modem, manual fax) are
routed to the telephone system.  The FLM will also prevent anyone from picking
up the phone and accidently interrupting a fax or modem call."

"The FLM is compatible with standard phone lines as well as PBX and key
telephone equipment.  It can also detect and operate with Group II and Group
III fax machines.  Equipment connects by convenient telephone plugs.  Access
codes and ring sequences are easily programmed."

I gave the phone # for Dartek above.  Here's the order info:

3-line unit (phone/fax/answering machine)      $99.00
     Item # 94816M

4-line unit (phone/fax/modem/answering machine)   $149.00
     Item # 94817M

BTW, when I first sent out the request for a phone/fax sharing device, I said I
saw one in a recent trade mag, but couldn't locate it.  I found the one I was
looking for:  MacWorld May 1992 issue, p. 189.  Product:  Ringo LM (line
manager?) 1.0.  This one can be integrated with a Mac which could be configured
in an auto-wake- up mode.  See the review for more info.  Looks pretty neat --
costs $189.95 with most of the same feature set as FLM has.  It's going to be a
tough choice.............   ;-)

 From the desk of:
Tom Scott

 Cornell University

 Carpenter Hall Annex
 Phone: (607) 255-0966
 Tom_Scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:20:15 -0500
From: "Kevin Hansen" <ehall@ux.acs.umn.edu>
Subject: FileMaker Pro Crash (Q)

I am having problems when printing a list of information from FileMaker Pro. 
After the list prints out, I receive an System Error message.  The list is
complete and after I restart there appears to be no adverse effects to the 
files (i.e. all records are there and there is no problem opening the file).

The list contains 150 + records and the print out is approx 60 pages.  This is
runnning on a SE and printing on a Laserwriter II.  Any suggestions?

 -------------------------------
-Kevin Hansen                  -
-Minnesota Twin Family Study   -
-University of Minnesota       -
Internet : ehall@ux.acs.umn.edu-
 -------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:35:00 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: FORTRAN 77 for the Mac

On Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:12:26 CDT you said:
>Recently someone asked about existing FORTRAN compilers for the Mac.
>I do not recall seeing any replies written to the digest.  Is there
>such a compiler, or at least a good FORTRAN code editor available.

There are a half dozen or so FORTRAN compilers in the software listings
most dealers have.  The prices range from less than $200 to more than
$700.  By and large you get what you pay for.  Somewhere in the archives
is a summary I used eighteen months ago.  Absoft's MacFortran II ($750,
or $795 list -- I don't remember precisely) topped the list -- requires
and FPU.  It's super (the one to have if you plan to compile apps you're
going to use over and over or if you write CPU intensive code (what
FORTRAN does best).

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 22:52:55 EDT
From: Shekhar Govind <GS#0%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
Subject: FORTRAN 77 for the Mac (A)

tmselim@icaen.uiowa.edu asks about FORTRAN compilers...

I have used Language Systems FORTRAN for the Mac for a couple of
years now...and I find it to be a reliable product.
I dont know about stand-alone compilers since I use it from within the
MPW environment (comes in handy to link pascal and fortran - the two
languages I program in).

The Language Systems people can be contacted at:
(703) 478-0181  Voice
(703) 689-9593  Fax
LANGSYS         Apple Link and America Online

Just a satisfied customer....

Cheers.
Shekhar Govind           govi@lafayette.edu    or  gs#0@lafayacs.bitnet

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Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 10:38:41 EDT
From: m21743@mwvm.mitre.org (Kenneth Falkenstein)
Subject: FORTRAN77 for the Mac (R)

   I have always felt a bit anachronistic in using F77 on a Mac, but I feel
better now knowing someone else is in this position.  For those of us who
model systems for a living (propagation etc), Fortran is a must.  Anyway, I
have used two compilers, both from Absoft.  MacFortran/020 is an-easy to use -
click the buttons you want-compiler.  It ships with Edit, which IMHO is a
rotton editor.  I generally use this compiler for quick turn around job.  /020
is a stand alone application.  A more complete compiler (thus a steeper
learning curve) is MacFortran II.  This runs under MPW and allows millions of
options.  I have found when customizing the optimization, it is often possible
to reduce run time by 20% or more below that of the 020 version.  Both
compilers allow you to link to run time libraries so you can make stand alone
applications.  Both compilers are good.  For an editor, I use QUED/M, mainly
because it allows the use of the cursor keys.  The Absoft phone number is
(313)-853-0095.  I am not connected with any of these companies in any way,
except the use of their software.  I wonder if there exists any shareware F77
compilers...?  Hope this helps.
                                          Ken
                                          m21743@mwvm.mitre.org
*
*

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:05 EDT
From: Peter Jorgensen <PJORGENSEN%COLGATEU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: How do you generate the clover symbol on command key?  (A)

The commandkey (cloverleaf) character is only in the Chicago font. At least
it's not the same character in any of the standard LW fonts. It is ASCII 17
or ctrl-Q. You can generate it in MSWord by typing ctrl-Q (hold down the
control key and press Q) in the Chicago font. The Chicago font has some
other nice control characters like an "open Apple" (remember the Apple IIe?)
which also appears on newer ADB keyboards on the commandkey.

Peter Jorgensen: User Services/VAX/Mac/DOS Consultant, PostMaster, PMDF guru
PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET     Colgate University - 315-824-7742

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:02 EST
From: Mark Cornick <STU_M1CORNIC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Subject: how to type cloverleaf key

The cloverleaf character is generated by pressing Control-Q (I'm _pretty_ sure
it's ^Q; having a Plus, I don't have a control key. :) ) Since most programs
trap the Control characters, you will have to use something like KeyFinder or
PopChar to enter it. BTW, this character exists only in the Chicago font, as
far as I know.

Mark Cornick - stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:28:04 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: How to update White Knight (A)

On Thu Apr 9, both MG Fryer and Khanh Kim Nguyen asked how to update
White Knight?

The White Knight updaters are "PUP Decryptor" documents. I thought the
freeware PUP Decryptor came on the WK distribution disk, but it has been
so long ago that I might have gotten it elsewhere and put it on myself.
If there's interest, I'll upload a copy to the archives.

Once you have found the PUP Decryptor, take one more step before actually
updating: TURN OFF YOUR EXTENSIONS. At least disable any virus checker.
Otherwise you will likely corrupt your copy of White Knight.

To update, double click the updater. PUP will ask where the WK to be
updated is located and present a dialog box. The update will be done in
place, so ensure you have a WK backup handy if things go wrong.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:29:33 PDT
From: Thomas Garcia <tgarcia@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Hypercard Information

>I have two questions about HyperCard.
>1. Where is the best place to get most up to date versions and what are
>   they? Does the latest version cost?
> 
>2. What was the trick to get the userlevelto 5? It was something to do
>   with magic. I know this is probably a FAQ so if you can direct me to it
>   I would be grateful.

Answers:
 1. HC comes with every mac.  Your nearest friend probably has a copy of the
    latest version 2.1 and doesn't know it (it's everywhere! just ask!).

 2. The "trick" is as follows:
    - Launch Hypercard... you should be in the "Home" stack when it comes up.
    - Go to the last card of that stack, via Command-4, or left-arrow.
    - Get the message box up, using Command-M
    - Type "Magic"

    I believe "Set Userlevel to 5" will also work, although I am not sure.

If you really want to get into it, Apple sells a Developers' Toolkit for
Hypercard, for about $100 (US).  Its expensive, but I have found the
documentation invaluable, since what comes with the Mac doesnt do more
than make you wonder more about Hypercard.  It also includes an "Power  
Tools" stack that makes anybody jump-start into new features like Menus,
Floating Palettes, etc.

Thomas C. Garcia -- The University of British Columbia -- tgarcia@unixg.ubc.ca

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:40 PST
From: DALAL%SCU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: HyperCard Questions...Some answers...

>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 14:35:42 EDT
>From: Alex.Sirota@um.cc.umich.edu
>Subject: HyperCard information

>I have two questions about HyperCard.
>1. Where is the best place to get most up to date versions and what are
>   they? Does the latest version cost?

        Try CLARIS, they now sell HyperCard...Call 800-555-1212 and
        ask for Claris's 800-number, to place an order. The upgrade costs
        for 1.x to 2.x was around $50-75, you can probably get it for less..


>2. What was the trick to get the userlevel to 5? It was something to do
>   with magic. I know this is probably a FAQ so if you can direct me to it
>   I would be grateful.

        In HC 1.x, you can pull down the "GO"(?) menu and select "LAST",
        this will take you to the user level option, where you can select
        the userlevel...I think you do this in the HOME stack...
        This may have changed in 2.x...

        You can also set the userlevel using HyperTalk commands,
        Something like "SET USERLEVEL 5"...might work, in the stack's
        script...

>Alex Sirota

        Hope that helps, and dosen't confuse you more !

        Dan Dalal
        DALAL@SCU.BITNET

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:11 EST
From: Mark Cornick <STU_M1CORNIC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #93

Felix Kreisel asked whether he needs to keep bitmaps and TrueType of the same
font in his system file. On an LC, no. On anything slower, yes. Why? There is a
delay whenever you use a particular TT size for the first time, while the systemresizes the font to your specified font size. On an LC, this is barely
noticable, but on my Plus, it's unbearable.
By the way, if you do keep the bitmaps of Times around, you won't be able to usethe TT Times Italics in any point size with a bitmap installed (i.e. 12 pt);
you'll get the hideous old obliques instead. Whenever I want to use 12 pt italicon my Plus, I just kick up to 13 pt (which uses TT and therefore the TT Italic
font.)

Hope this helps.

Mark Cornick--stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:44:51 EST
From: Dr. G. Paul Savage <paul.savage@carbon.chem.csiro.au>
Subject: In Use and Happy Birthday

A couple of requests that seem so trivial I almost hate to bother the 'net.

Firstly, I'm using InUse 2.0 and it works fine except that on startup the Icon 
is all munged up. What gives? (I'm using sys. 6.07)

Secondly, does anyone out there have the happy birthday tune or know from where 
I can FTP it? Thanks.

Paul Savage  ***  Melbourne  ***  Australia  ***  paul@carbon.chem.csiro.au

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:41:06 EDT
From: haushalt@research.nj.nec.com	(Robert C. Haushalter)
Subject: isopropanol (last time)

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:54:44 -0500 baim@aaec1.aaec.com wildly speculates:

As I remember my chemistry, the first three alcohols are:

Methanol: CH3OH
Ethanol: C2H5OH
Isopropanol: C3H7OH

The "strength" as a solvent decreases as the molecule gets larger.  As
better-qualified others have stated, methanol (methyl alcohol) is highly
toxic and is often "denatured" to inhibit consumption.  Isopropanol is
rubbing alcohol and is also usually "denatured" for the same reason.  The
denaturant is sometimes phenolphthalein (the familiar acid-base indicator
which also gives ExLax its "zip", hence its use as a cure for drinking the
wrong stuff).  I imagine the denaturant could leave a residue on your
contacts.  Sandwiched between methanol and isopropanol is good old ethanol
(grain alcohol).  So, go buy some cheap high-proof domestic vodka (by law:
distilled water plus pure ethanol) and clean your contacts.  As a bonus you
can then celebrate your successful repair or "forget" your broken equipment
:-)

Solvent "strength" is a fuzzy laymen's term for a solvent that will dissolve
the substance in question. It has no physical meaning.
	You have the entire concept of "denaturing" garbled.  Denatured means
that a substance has been added to ethanol(aka ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol)
to render it unfit for consumption so the buyer won't have to pay the high
taxes that are levied against potable alcohol.  Since methanol (aka methyl alcohol, wood alcohol) is already a deadly poison, most people would not drink it. 
Since it's not a drug like ethanol, there's no tax on it either and therefore
to denature a poison is a ridiculous concept.  Ditto for the toxic isopropanol.
Interestingly, one common denaturent for ethanol is methanol.
	The idea about using vodka as a contact cleaner also lacks merit. Since
even 100 proof ethanol is only 50% ethanol (the remainder is water and the other
components of yeast piss), the aqueous content of the vodka would render the 
vodka rather inefficient in removing the water-insoluble, oilier components of the dirt.

It boggles the mind that a kernel of truth regarding the tax laws as they pertain to ethanol, could be distorted in the above piece of misinformation.

BTW, there is one bright spot in the post: the molecular formulas are correct!
:-)

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:17:34 PDT
From: "Peter Jorgensen" <PJORGENSEN%COLGATEU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Launch limits and A.S. 3.0 [R]

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:19 EDT
From: Peter Jorgensen <PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET>
Subject: Launch limits and A.S. 3.0 [R]
To: InfoMac: ;
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Chris Sullivan wonders:

>Is there certain criteria software must meet to be able to work with
>the launch limits?  Our workstations are using sys6.0.x, does the
>software accessed from the server need to be compatible with system7.0
>eventhough it is being run on a 6.0.x machine?

There is a great deal of confusion on this issue, mainly because so many
apps will multilaunch, even though they weren't designed to. Here are some
of the reasons I've found apps won't multi-launch, I'm sure there are
others:

Application needs to write to itself, change a resource, etc. User needs
"Make Changes" priviledges to application (or some of its support files).

Application needs special files in your system folder. Sometimes these can
be copied into the system folder of your startup disk, sometimes not.

Application needs to read/write an invisible file (copy protection scheme)
on the startup disk or the application disk.

etc. etc.

This is an issue that network managers need to do everything they can to
force the software industry to resolve. It is my personal feeling that now
that Apple (and third parties) has provided a means for controlling the
number of concurrent users of software two things should be insisted upon.

1) Licenses be per concurrent user, not per CPU.
2) Applications should be networkable and multi-user friendly.

Peter Jorgensen: User Services/VAX/Mac/DOS Consultant, PostMaster, PMDF guru
PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET     Colgate University - 315-824-7742

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:26:35 -0800
From: Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca
Subject: Mac II on side

DAVIDD@ZENO.MSC.Colorado.EDU writes:
>The MAC II (large II, IIx, IIFX) CAN go sideways but it is a good idea to
>keep the power suply end the high "upper" ens so you don't drag heat across

Great in theory. I wonder why Apple didn't think of that when they placed
the interrupt and reset switches on the opposite end from the power supply?
As it is, you *can't* place a Mac II or IIx with the power supply up! (I
don't know about an fx.)

Cheers
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:12:12 MDT
From: sharmony@nova.ta52.lanl.gov (Stephen C. Harmony)
Subject: Mac LC II PDS slot (A)

In Info-Mac V10 #93 Larry asked the following questions about the LC II PDS:

> 1)  What 'kind' of PDS slot is it, other than an 030 PDS?  Is it kin to
>     SE/30 PDS or to the SI PDS?  Is it perhaps 'another' standard?
>  
> 2)  Will it be able to run SE/030 or SI PDS cards?
>  
> 3)  Will it allow for 24 bit video cards?
> 
> 4)  IN other words, other than virtual memory, does the LC II offer some
>     advantages over the LC 'classic' by way of its PDS?  If so, what are they?
 
Here's what the May '92 Macworld article about the LC II says about the subject:

"The LC II retains the same single expansion slot found in its predecessor,
although because the LC II doesn't use the 68020 processor, the slot is no
longer called the 020 Direct Slot. Its new moniker is the LC Slot, and Apple
says it will be the standard expansion slot design for its low-end, high-volume
computers.

"Supposedly, the slot's name is all that has changed. Apple claims most boards
designed for the original LC will work without modification in the LC II (see
"Boards Compatible with the LC II"). Still some boards-including Apple's own
Ethernet LC Card and Apple IIe Card--will require updated ROM chips or driver
software. If your LC has an expansion board, verify the board's compatibility
before upgrading to the LC II."

The table referred to in the article lists 42 cards compatible with the LC II.

I think this answers question 1. I'd guess from this that the answers to
question 2 is no. There is nothing I've heard about the LC PDS that would
prevent anyone making a 24-bit card, but I'd guess it would be pretty
pokey on an unaccelerated LC or LC II. The answer to 4 appears to be no,
the LC II has no advantages over the LC other than virtual memory. I'm
saving my $$ to buy a DayStar Digital PowerCache for my LC.

Steve Harmony

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:23:20 EDT
From: Joshua John Hart <hart%eagle@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Microsoft Excel 4.0?

 Info-Macer's:
        Does anybody know anything about Microsoft Excel 4.0 vs. Excel 3.0? Is
there a major difference that is worth the extra money for the upgrade.. Somehow
    it seems like they had only come out with V 3.0 a little while ago!
        Any comments would be greatly appreciated! :)
                                        Joshua <Stuhart@Eku.Bitnet>
                                               <hart%eagle@eku.bitnet>

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 18:15:20 MST
From: Jason Ceballes <CXEYT%ASUACAD.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: MIDI PROBLEMS!?

     I am submitting this question for a friend of mine that is experiencing
problems with a MIDI application crashing while playing music through a
synthesizer.  The configuration is a MAC IIsi with 9MB RAM / 80 MB hard drive,
Music Writer v1.4 by Pyware, System 7.0.1 with tuneup 1.1, and MIDI Management
Tools v2.0.  The application crashes after any musical arrangement is played
through the synthesizer.  The crashes occur frequently (2-4 songs).  Has any
one got Music Writer to operate under System7.  If so, what is the latest
version of the MIDI Management tools available.  If anyone could help solve
this problem, it would be very much appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

                                       Jason Ceballes
                                       Arizona State University

                                       Jason (VAN HALEN MAN) CEBALLES
                                       Arizona State University

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:03:11 PDT
From: 9531sons%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (Jamie Sonsini)
Subject: need opinions on 13-15" color monitors (Q)

Judy - You didn't ask about 16" color monitors, but assuming you'd
be interested:

Folks in my organization have been EXTREMELY pleased with Apple's new
16" color monitor.  Yes, it might be more expensive but these folks
are all computing professionals (= looking at a computer screen ALL day
long) so we tend not to fuss over a few hundreds of dollars.  Anyway, if
the 16" monitor is an option, I'd suggest Apple's.

Good luck,
				Jamie Sonsini
				UC Santa Barbara

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:52:18 -0800
From: jverreau@sol.UVic.CA  (John Verreault)
Subject: Networked In/Out/Back-at utility??

Has anyone heard of, seen or actually have a utility (application, cdev, or
init) that can act as an In/Out/Back-at board across a network?  My office
is looking for a way that a variety of people can flag a group of
Secretaries/Receptionists on their where abouts.  I'll post any replies
that come directly to me to let the rest of the world in on it.  Many
thanks in advance.   !->

John Verreault                         Internet: jverreau@sol.uvic.ca
University of Victoria                           libsys@uvvm.uvic.ca
Victoria, B.C. Canada                    BITNET: libsys@uvvm

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:01:39 +0100
From: GAUTHIER%frcict81.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Nisus/XTND (Q)

addlp *
In Tidbits it is said that Nissus, can open and write word 4 documents if
the claris XTND translators are present. Using the option key one gets the
XTND open, but I get error -43. Where should these translators be  placed
and in what folder, under what name?
Please answer to my email address.
Thanks
gauthier@frcict81

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:03:23 -0500
From: charles@calshp.cals.wisc.edu
Subject: One free hour of American Online, what to get?(Q)

Can anyone suggest anything I should download from American Online?
Preferably something that's exclusively on American Online, or at least
you can't find it on info-mac.  I only have a free hour to download stuff.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:08:30 EDT
From: J. R. Valentine (Creider) <valentin@cogsci.uwo.ca>
Subject: pcx to mac grahpics conversion

This is probably something of an faq. Does anyone know of any free
program to convert from ibm-compatible pcx graphics format to some
usable format on the mac? It would be nice if there one of those AFE
filtering-dealies, wouldn't it?! But even having an independent application
would be nice.

Randy Valentine
valentin@julian.uwo.ca

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:44:09 -0400
From: garmenjm@arvx01.dnet.dupont.com (JAIME M. GARMENDIA, DUPONT ARGENTINA)
Subject: Pencil erasers and contacts..

ESDS01::"Les.Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca" writes:
>>I find a pencil eraser works fine too, as long as you don't drop
>>rubber inside the computer box!

>Oh no! Here we go again. The reason this whole discussion about
>alcohol got started was because someone suggested using an eraser
>and others warned against doing this with gold contacts. :-)

Somehow I missed the beginiing of the discussion.. This threads can get
circular pretty easily. Anyhow, the use of an eraser on any kind of contact
should be OK as long as you do not use excessive force. Gold contacts are
actually gold-platted copper, and gold does not get an oxide layer, so
cleaning with alcohol (or better yet, with Stabilant or some other good
contact cleaner) its all it needs. The reason copper contacts are cleaned
with erasers is that the eraser rubs off the oxide layer. Applying 
rubber to gold contacts is probably excessive, but not necessarily risky
(unless you have a heavy hand!).  

J. Garmendia
GARMENJM@arvx01.dnet.dupont.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:11 CDT
From: "Thomas L. Hausmann" <HAUSMANN@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Subject: PERT Charts & Project Management/Planning

Is there Mac shareware for PERT or GANTT charts available?

-Tom

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:30:40 EDT
From: Craig A. Summerhill <craig@cni.org>
Subject: PostScript is not PostScript

We have been posting documents on our anonymous FTP archives which
we thought were in the PostScript format, but...

I created these documents using the Macintosh OS, LaserWriter, and
and Laser Prep system software 6.07.  This probably isn't news to most
of you, but if you turn backround printing off, open the document,
and print it on a LaserWriter, there are two ways that PostScript
documents can be output instead of a printed copy.  Just after clicking
the OK button on the Printer Dialog Window, if you hold down apple-f
you will get what the Microsoft support person called a "pure" Adobe
PostScript file.  If you hold down a apple-k you will get a PostScript
document with embedded Apple Laser Prep data.

This procedure seemed fine to me.  I created some documents, looked 
at them -- the header string says Adobe PS 2.0 format, etc.  However,
I recently found out that these PostScript files can not be printed
>From a Sun workstation to a PostScript printer using the lpr command.
Also, they do not display properly on a NeXT machine which is enabled
for on-screen display of PostScript formatted documents.

I threw away the offending command, but both systems seemed to choke
on these commands (or something like them):

     Include ProgSet (AppleDict: md)
     begin md

My colleagues and I also thought there might be a problem with the font,
so we changed to a font type (Times) which we knew was supported by
the NeXT and the Sun workstations, and tried again.  With similar results.

What is the problem here?  I was under the impression, perhaps misimpression
thanks to Microsoft support staff, that this procedure would produce 
working PostScript files which could be used by other PostScript devices 
on the net.  If not, what procedure can be used to produce a good "generic"
PostScript copy on a Mac IIci with system 6.07 (or system 7.0 if needed)?
Is there a third party application to input MS Word documents and output
PostScript?  Unfortunately, all of our original data is in MS Word, so
my solution has to start with the assumption that MS Word is where the 
file is created...

Please reply directly to me.

-- 
   Craig A. Summerhill                       Systems Coordinator
   Coalition for Networked Information       Internet:   craig@cni.org

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:39:47 -0600
From: wadew@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU (Wade Williams)
Subject: PRAM Utility (with NodeID)

I'm looking for a utility that displays the contents of PRAM
*including* the AppleTalk node information.

PRAM 5.0 is excellent and shows everything except that AppleTalk
info.  What I need is a utility that displays all of the PRAM info.

Can anyone point me to such a utility - or failing that, does anyone
know of a utility that displays only the AppleTalk node information?

Thanks.

Wade Williams
wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:01 EDT
From: "King Rhoton"                               <KING%DUKEMVS.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Quicktime

So, does anybody out there have any idea where to find quicktime
procedure docs?  Develop issue #7  is informative, but lacks any
discussion of the calls pertaining to the actual digitizing process,
which is my current interest.
Also, at my MUG's recent meeting, there was a Quicktime CD which I was
told at the time was Develop #7.  Needless to say, it wasn't.  Besides
being packed with quicktime movies, it also had a 40 Meg Todd Rundgren
video.  Anyone heard of such a beast?  Know where to obtain it? Price?
Even just the name of it would be a great help.
King Rhoton
king@dukemvs.bitnet

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:38:52 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Resedit forced to quit while trying to open files (A)

On Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:20:17 -0500 you said:
>My resedit 2.11 launches fine, but it is somehow forced to quit while trying
>to open a file (any file) and gives out a message : "application "unknown"
>is forced to quit:  error # 3", which is illegal instruction error.  This
>happens often, but not all the time.

How much memory are you giving ResEdit?  I find that the default 500K
isn't nearly enough on a color system (I'm using 2048K and rarely have a
problem).  Other possible explanations include INIT conflicts and
possibly a slightly corrupted copy of ResEdit 2.1.1.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 10:54:48 PDT
From: Les.Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca
Subject: Screen fonts ??? (A)

>Hello. I am running System 7 on a Mac LC. My system file contains a
>lot of bit-mapped fonts and also their True-Type versions. Do I need
>the numerous bit-mapped fonts?
 
Strictly speaking, no, they are not *needed*, but it's better to
keep them, in my opinion.
 
>They consume memory, disk space and cause delays in opening the
>System file. I understand that they are necessary for pre 6.4
>systems. Is that their only value?
 
They take up some disk space but not a lot (we are talking about
sizes in the 9-24 point range afterall). They take up almost no
memory whatsoever! Only when you use a font does it consume any
substantial amount of memory, otherwise it is just a few bytes in a
table for stuff like its id number - insignificant.
 
As for delays opening the System file, yes that's true, but just how
often does the average user need to do this? If you need to do this
a lot, I strongly recommend getting MasterJuggler or SuitCase II and
avoid *ever* having to open your System file.
 
Pre-made screen fonts are generally HAND-BUILT. Therefore, they are
much more readable than ones generated by TrueType or ATM. Compare
Geneva 10 point with and without the screen font installed. TrueType
and ATM can never match the skill of a human in rendering small fonts
for low-res devices (like your screen).
 
SPEED is the other key issue. Pre-made bitmaps display FAST!
 
>One more thing: my printer vendor provided me with sets of screen
>fonts in addition to printer fonts. Why would I want to install
>these screen fonts in place of the standard Apple fonts?
 
All screen fonts are not created equal. The ones supplied by Apple
only come in the plain style. For bold it stretches, for italic it
slants. The screen fonts from Adobe include a complete set with all
styles. This not only looks better on screen, it makes your screen
display closer to what the font is intended to look like and this
DOES affect spacing. With the Adobe bitmaps installed, difficult
documents like forms become easier to do because your screen display
will better match the output, especially for bold, italic, and
bold-italic fonts.
 
The fonts that come with most printers are usually the same ones
Apple supplies. The Adobe ones are available from Sumex in the
file info-mac/font/adobe-screen.hqx.

------------------------------

Date: 10 Apr 92 11:11 -0700
From: John Fyfe <jfyfe@ocgy.ubc.ca>
Subject: SE will not boot off external drive

I have two SEs and a MacII (both under system 7 and with 40 mb 
internal drives) and a EMAC 105 mb external drive.  Unfortunately 
the SEs will will only very occasionally boot off of the harddrive.  
The MacII will always boot (the drive was originally formatted for 
the II).  I have done all the obvious things, like changing
the cabling, updating the SCSI driver and phoning the EMAC
technical support, but to no avail.

	** Please help me if you can !! ** 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:34:00 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: The Cloverleaf (Splat) Key (A)

On Thu, 9 Apr, Dan Lunderville asked:

>How do you generate the clover symbol found on the command key on Mac
>keyboards?  I have searched through the fonts I have with PopChar, but
>I could not find it.

Dan, a couple weeks back the same question was answered by saying it is
Control-Q in the Chicago font. I sure couldn't find it in PopChar. Until
I told PopChar to default-display in 12-point instead of 14-point type.
With that change PopChar showed the splat key, and I could get the splat
by the Control-Q combination. No, I've no idea why.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 08:23:48 PDT
From: "Peter Jorgensen" <PJORGENSEN%COLGATEU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: The power of aliases (C)

Received: from COLGATEU.BITNET by COLGATEU.BITNET (PMDF #12539) id
 <01GIOIGKLQKQ8ZEDDX@COLGATEU.BITNET>; Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:25 EDT
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:25 EDT
From: Peter Jorgensen <PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET>
Subject: The power of aliases (C)
To: Infomac: ;
Message-id: <01GIOIGKLQKQ8ZEDDX@COLGATEU.BITNET>
X-Envelope-to: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu
X-VMS-To: in%"Infomac"

I love aliases, they're one of the best features introduced in System 7.0.
Here's an example of their power that you might not have come upon yet.

I have a HyperCard stack on a file server. If the server volume is not
mounted HyperCard asks "Where is ..." when I click on a button that is
linked to the stack. So I put an alias of the stack in my Hypercard Stacks
folder. Now, if the volume is not mounted, I get the AppleShare login
dialog, enter my password, and everything works great.

This functionality should be enough to convince the System 6 hold outs that
System 7.0 is the way to go.

Peter Jorgensen: User Services/VAX/Mac/DOS Consultant, PostMaster, PMDF guru
PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET     Colgate University - 315-824-7742

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Date: 10 Apr 92 00:34:02 EDT
From: Robert Hess <74660.612@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Tune Up DOA

In case no one else has told you folks, System 7 Tune-Up 1.1 has been
retracted by Apple. It is not the version that was intended to be
released. Version 1.1.1 will be released Friday.

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:33:57 EDT
From: leo@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Leo Leduc)
Subject: Upgrading White Knight (A)

Hello netters,

For those people who have problems updating White Knight (WK) 11.12 to 11.13
after downloading the patch from Sumex, you must have a shareware program
called the PUP Decryptor. This program came with the previous patch which
upgraded WK 11.10 to 11.12.  So, if you don't have it, you must first
download the patch for upgrading to 11.12.  Save the PUP and discard the old
patch and notes.  PUP is menu driven and easy to work with. One small
problem, SUMEX might have removed the previous upgrade from its archives.
So, you might have to get it from another site. I suggest that you loggin to
Archie and search for sites that still have the old patch for WK.

If you have any problems, I'll be glad to help.

Leo G. Leduc
leo@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:51 EDT
From: "REC.FOO.BAR" <HOPKINSCH@urvax.urich.edu>
Subject: users at GWU or G-Town (Q)

	Subject line says it all.  I'm interested in getting in contact
with a user (or users) from Georgetown University and George Washington
University in DC to ask a couple questions about their Academic Computing
Centers there...

Christopher Hopkins
University of Richmond
Academic Computing Center
HOPKINSCH@URVAX.URICH.EDU

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:48:25 CDT
From: mgreeny@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David S. Greenberg)
Subject: Why do a Mac SE and II behave differently (A)

> Date: 7 April 1992 16:22:05 CDT
> From: "Stephen Kawalko  " <U40857%UICVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
> Subject: Why do a Mac SE and Mac II behave differently? (Q)
> 
> At home I have a Mac SE with the standard keyboard and 4MB of
> memory. At work I use a Mac II with the extended keyboard and 8MB.
> Both machines are running System 6.0.5 and Multifinder 6.1.5. I
> have noticed the following differences in behavior between the two
> machines.
> 
>   1. Command-back quote switches between open applications on the
>      Mac SE but does nothing on the Mac II. On the Mac II, if
>      MS Word is the current application and a file is open then a
>      hyphen (or minus sign) is inserted at the current insertion
>      point.
>

I'm not familiar with this feature, but I'd be willing to bet that one
of the following holds true:

	*	You're running an INIT (extension), or something like
		that which provides you with the capability on the SE to
	 	press command-back quote... 

	*	Or, the command-back quote quick switch is one of the
		many commands available to you from within MS-Word, and
		you simply have to add it to your menus in MS-WORD (select
		the COMMANDS item from the menu...[this changes from 4.0 to 
		5.0 or I'd mention the location of the menu....as it stands,
		just search for it...lots of goodies are in there...]). 

>   2. If MS Word is running, double clicking on a MS Word file from
>      the Finder opens the file on the Mac SE. However, on the
>      Mac II the file is not opened and I receive the following
>      message.
> 
>        Some "Microsoft Word" documents could not be opened or
>        printed. Please open the documents from within the
>        application.
>

	*	Chances are, that you're not running Multi-finder (if
		you're using system 6...) on the SE but are on the Mac II.
		If you are running multi-finder on the Mac II and double 
		click on a document, it is possible that MS-WORD doesn't
		support opening of a document while MS-WORD is still open...
		simply use the OPEN command from the FILE menu from within 
		MS-WORD and all will be well...

	*	Are you running the same versions of the system and/or
		MS-WOrd on the SE and II?  Do they have the same application 
		memory sizes allocated to the program on both machines (get 
		info - cmd I in the finder will tell you...) 

>   3. Double clicking on a self extracting archive created by
>      Compact Pro causes the files to be extracted on the Mac SE
>      while on the Mac II I receive the following message.
> 
>        There is not enough available memory
> 
>      If I turn Multifinder off then the self extracting archive
>      operates properly on the Mac II.
>

	*	Once again, check the amount of memory allocated to the
		application on the SE and the II.  Make sure they are the 
		same.  If you aren't running MultiFinder on the SE, then 
		simply increase the amount of space allocated to the 
		application on the II and it ought to work (assuming of 
		course that you have the memory...) 

> Any ideas as to why the two machines are exhibiting different
> behavior for the same operations?
>

They must not be the same operations....or the memory is different, or
the set up is different....something must be different....
 
> Stephen Kawalko (u40857@uicvm.cc.uic.edu)
> 

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:16:06 +0100
From: "G.J. Baker" <gge@cxa.daresbury.ac.uk>
Subject: Word 5 Irritations / Zapped Icons

I Tried Matthias' suggestions that were given in IM10/93 and I still get the
plain 'grey page' icon for After Dark. I also noted that in the same issue
someone else reported that they had similar problems.

Thanks for the suggestions anyway

Gareth J Baker
Internet:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu

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