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From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: BS in the nets
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

GS> Whats up twith the God/Paganism reorts and the Golden Rule twists?

GS> Over the past 40 posts probably 25% of them were about these two subject (o
  > and throw in a few on the feelings of homosexuals) which I dont seem to see
  > bearing to any nature or cp.  Maybe these people just havnt read the FAQs?

Read it.  And being one of those contributors, even I asked the same question.
Vague reference to boredom with the real focus of this board.  The threads
we are discussing originated on cyber topics (mostly anti-feminism in
cyberpunk literature) so we are letting them drag out as long as possible
until Gibsons new book comes out, I guess.

Mykel


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From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:15:21 GMT

In <1992Nov18.194414.1@tesla.njit.edu> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:

>If you were to travel into cyberspace (sorta like what was done in TRON)
>what things would you bring?  A laptop computer doesn't mean squat since


All you would need would be a towel,


oh, and ofcourse,

The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy MarkII.

:)

R. Martin
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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:20:51 GMT

wrong!  nikita was filmed around 1989/90.
                                      ggreg
 
 
 
 
 
In article <wilder.721708756@mik.uky.edu>
wilder@nx02.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
 
>
>In <tjk5.29.721684513@po.cwru.edu> tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:
>
>|>> The girl who played Nikita in La Femme Nikita as
>|>> Molly--assuming she can speak English well enough to offset the
>|>> "Depardieu Syndrome" that rendered _1492_ almost unwatchable.
>
>|>Jeez! To think that people are actually *wondering* why "Mad Max" was
>|>dubbed with American voices when released in the US...:-)
>
>|>Her name, BTW, is Anne Parillaud.
>
>|And she's got a pretty thick accent (Anybody see _Innocent Blood_ ?)
>
>She's also waaay too old for the part.  She was close to the perfect age
>in _Nikita_, but that was filmed in, what, 82 or 83?  I reassert my pick
>of Jennifer Jason Leigh.  She has the *edge* that I envision in Molly,
>and she won't overshadow the role with her looks.  I got the impression
>from _Neuromancer_ that Molly was attractive (well, at least *I* would have
>found her attractive), but not a knockout.  Except maybe literally.
>
>--
>==============================================================================
>| Jeff W  uk06666@ukpr.uky.edu | Meddle not in the affairs of cats, for they |
>| Wilder  & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck.|
>==============================================================================
From: raa@guild.socal.com (Raa Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:32:00 PST
Organization: TheGuild[FTS]

I would think that Rutger Hauer would be great as Armitage ... but an Oriental playing Molly? Uh-Uh ... she's american ... and I am wondering how they would get the Cybereyes right ... :)

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From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:40:10 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov17.143129.1511@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>In article <KAYVAN.92Nov13140101@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>>
>>   If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>>   them do unto you", 
>>
>>But I *do* unto others as I would have them do unto me! Whips, chains,
>>cuffs etc... :-)
>>
>>But seriously, I think the golden rule should really be: "Do unto
>>others as *they* would have you do unto them."
>>
>--------------------------
>Problem with that one, Kayvan. You become their slave. You have to do
>whatever they want, and then they do too, so nobody can figure out
>what to do, they are all so worn out following each other around and
>asking what they should do. :) 

Hey, I just had a brainstorm! ("with what?")

How about writing it: "Do unto others as you both would have done unto
yourselves."

Think that'll work?

Big Al.  I have to lie down, now.
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From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: Ye Golden Rule
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:15:10 GMT

In article <7#hq4t@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>How about you do what you want to do, and leave me to do what I want to do.

Live and let live, this shall be the whole of the law.

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University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
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From: corleyj@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:28:53 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <NBeguB6w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
>corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>
>> It's the trend.  Look at television and movies.  They are steadily
>> heading towards more and more violence (sex, too, I predict pornographic
>> video games within 5 years),
>
>Well, the basics are already here...  Uh..  Giesha and Lady Love were
>borderline porno  (both games for the IBM (and others, I'm sure))
>
>Have yet to see anything like that in an arcade, however...  Wait'll the
>fundies get wind of that..
>

See?  See? I was more right than I knew!!!!!!
[insert smileys for the humor-impaired]
	Jason
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From: dtshirle@zeno13.math.UWaterloo.ca (Dieter Shirley)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:20:02 GMT

>
>> >>      Those who believe they are the righteous are the ones going to hell.
>> >> sinner who knows his soul is black who turns to God in humility and mercy 
>> >> ascend to Jesus' throne.
>

Is not going to God "in humility to ascend to the throne" just another kind of
righteousness?

Don't tell me that when you're being humble you don't expect the rewards...

Just a thought,
-dete

-- 
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just vanished."
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Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:49:38 -0500 
From: Mark Alan Lang <Elistan+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
	<BxxIJG.8K4@ciss.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>


    Have you read much by Larry Niven?  From what I've seen and heard,
he's considered one of the best hard science fiction authors there is. 
I agree - he certainly has a LOT of really interesting ideas.  He also
has some of the best characters and plots I've ever come accross.

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From: raa@guild.socal.com (Raa Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:37:15 PST
Organization: TheGuild[FTS]

Well ... I personally think Old Black Sabbath would bee a good choice for Neuromancer ... but that's My opinion.

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From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: Feminist CyberPunk
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:04:47 GMT

In article sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Frank) writes:
>In article lxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Lila Hanft) writes:
>>
>>I'm really really new to this genre -- I just finished my first dizzy-ing
>>euphoric reading of Neuromancer, and I'm breathless to read more.
>>
>>But I'm teaching a course on Feminism and Popular Culture next semester in
>>which I want to teach some feminist cyberpunk fiction -- any suggestions?
>>-- 
>>Lila Hanft                                     lxh16@po.cwru.edu
>>Assistant Professor of English
>
>People have already mentioned Pat Cadigan. I enjoyed "Patterns" the most.
>
>	liked the story in patterns with the tv, the president.
>
>Pat Murphy.
>	short stories - Points of Departure
>	
>		the story with the oaks and the battered wife.
>
>	The falling woman
>	The city, not long after
>
>		the blue butterflies and the golden gate bridge.
>		the golden flowers.
>		everything.
>		the art.
>		fighting off evil.
>
>Connie Willis (i think)
>	Lincolns dreams
>	and some other story.
>
>what a short list. me?

I would add Kathy Acker -- As I mentioned earlier she was interviewed in a
recent _Mississippi Review_, you might want to check it out to get a feel
for where she is coming from and all..

	-Tim

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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:35:14 GMT

(religious flamewars deleted)

>
> Oh, and by the way, since when is it _your_ planet?  I know of about 4
> billion
> other people who have just as much of a claim to it as you do.
>
> Lighten up.  You'll live longer.
>
> --
> Jeff (ChaOs) Johnston                             JeffJ@yang.earlham.edu


5 billion to be more precise, but then again we all know that overpopulation
is Someone Else's Problem, don't we?

Sorry to be so picky, I'm in a picky mood.  Picky, picky, picky.  We now
return you to your regularly scheduled lunatic drivel.



--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
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---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
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From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

DIM> [Entertaining sig deleted]
True.... :)
   > Ignoring your sarcasm, any suggestions on how to change this stereotype,
   >   without giving rise to other, possibly more damaging stereotypes?
   >   I will agree, this bias is just as annoying and damaging as the
   >   assumption that homosexuals have to act differently compared to
   >   heterosexuals.
The "assumption" that homosexuals act different from heterosexuals is
another sweeping generalization typically a cause for the rise of the
problems of discourse on the board recently.  But the fact remains that
a pretty serious percentage of homosexuals *do* act quite strangely (by
majority standards, sexual practices aside).  My SO's male friends are, 
except for 4 exceptions, homosexuals.  It's just a side effect of her
profession, *THEY* say (not she says).  Of this group of 40 or more gay
men, there are *maybe* 10 that act within the confines of normal society
enough for me (and many of *MY* friends) to interact with comfortably.  The
majority are the flaming queen stereotypes that have given homosexual men
such a bad rap and Eddie Murphy and Andrew Clay so much gay-bashing material.
I knew some of these men before they came out, and some even WHEN they came
out, and the changes (literally overnight) were astounding.  I am now, and
have been for the last 13 years, a ballet dancer.  They number of gay mne in
dance is disproportionate, regardless of what my instructors say.  And the
mix for the men I've danced with (aforementioned behavioral differences) is
about the same.  
I believe that to make sweeping generalizations is something of a sin, but
to ignore or refute standing evidence to the contrary is equally strange.

Also, why does this thread continue in a group about a sci-fi genre'?
:)

Later
Mykel


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.industrial,alt.sex.stories.d
From: csmumfor@eos.ncsu.edu (CHARLES STUART MUMFORD)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Originator: csmumfor@c00172-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: csmumfor@eos.ncsu.edu (CHARLES STUART MUMFORD)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:50:18 GMT


In article <miaauB1w165w@entropy.mcds.com>, morpheus@entropy.mcds.com
(morpheus) writes:

|>pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) writes:
|>
|>>      Those who believe they are the righteous are the ones going to hell.  Th
|>> sinner who knows his soul is black who turns to God in humility and mercy sha
|>> ascend to Jesus' throne.
|>
|>And Elvis lives in my basement.
|>

This one wins my "funniest flame-stopper of the week" award.  I really, really
nearly pissed myself.

--Shadow-powered
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:18:57 -0500 
From: "Curtis E. Bower" <cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff

>Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?

>W/Respect,
>Steven "Sgreever" Greever

Gee, just makes me wanna cry and go hug someone.

First of all, I want to thank this guy for at least not being forcefull
with his opinions.

However, I must wholeheartedly disagree with what he has to say.  The
worl is what it is, peopple are what they are, and this isn't going to
change.  There will always be strife and pain.  People will always
suffer, there will always be cruelty.  I'm not saying promote it, but it
will be there.  Thinking, or reading about some person who might have
existed two thousand years ago is rather pointless.  Maybe part of waht
is taught in the bible has validity, but there are other ways of
thinking about it.  Reasons I see to be "nice" to other people are
rather selfish.  The real reason people are nice is so that people will
give something back to them.  Why should I devote even part of my life
to a person that even if he existed lived thousands of years ago? 
Religion was created by people that were too weak to be able to survive
on their own.  Tehy couldn't accept their own existence.  They needed
something to believe in or feel an emptiness.   Perhaps this serves(d) a
purpose but, I see no reason to perpetuate such dishonesty with
yourself.  Accept the fact that you are here and go on about your life.
You may say to me, "have faith in God"  I say prove that he exists, and
of course you can't.
So do what you feel is right.
Later.


-Curt


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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:17:22 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:

> It's the trend.  Look at television and movies.  They are steadily
> heading towards more and more violence (sex, too, I predict pornographic
> video games within 5 years),

Well, the basics are already here...  Uh..  Giesha and Lady Love were
borderline porno  (both games for the IBM (and others, I'm sure))

Have yet to see anything like that in an arcade, however...  Wait'll the
fundies get wind of that..


--
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?   -qr
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From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2K Guide to Life
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:18:58 GMT

I also have to say I was a bit disappointed with the Mondo book.
It seemed like big parts of it were plugs for their 
advertisers..   At least we can't accuse them of not knowing
which side of the bread their toast is buttered on...

-- 
__
Chris Beaumont
ccat@netcom.com                                                         now!


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From: mageej@einstein.phys.rpi.edu (Jeffrey A. Magee ( Sun-King ))
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Reply-To: mageej@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:27:16 GMT

In article <g6DguB5w165w@entropy.mcds.com>, morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
|> "Curtis E. Bower" <cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> > I agree that Industrial is the way to go.  
|> > >FLA, definatly.  But NIN?... nah.  Too.. soft.  Gotta have that
|> > >nails-on-blackboard bangbangbangbang sound.
|> > NIN to soft?  have you heard broken?  
|> 
|> Sure have.  Even owned it for a couple weeks until I found someone who wanted
|> it.. ;-)
|> 
 > >Maybe just have some guy bang some electronic equiptment together violently.
 > >Smash a keyboard into an empty chassis for that echo effect... yeah.
 > Hey, that would be pretty neat.  Real industrial, or maybe just do dome
 > sampling at a steel plant and throw in some screaming or sumpthin.  
|> 
|> Yeah.. I like it.  Grinding steel and pain...  yeah.. YEAH! .. hey.. I like it.
|> 
|> I gotta try to find something like that... anyone?


I would almost want to recomend Sharkbait... I saw them with the Lalapalooza
tour this summer and they are truely industrial... most of their instruments
are from an auto salvage yard.  They had a sound that you'll never get from
the techno-industrial synthesizer groups... any thoughts?   Also, does anyone
know where I can get one of their albums?

-- 
I'm a *Sun-King* baby...  (mageej@rpi.edu)
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From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: bOING-bOING
Summary: confused
Keywords: why oh why
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:35:44 GMT
Organization: UB

Why does bOING^2 have a different address in every issue?  Do people play
host-mailbox for them, or what?


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:59:02 -0500 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
	<1992Nov17.053145.3591@netcom.com>

I can't stand to read anything anymore unless it's well-written and has
some sort of style...Half of what comes out today is so generic it could
be anonymous.  Nor can I stand "space operas" anymore, after reading
cyberpunk.  Yeah, I realize that they've got different purposes, come
from different times and backgrounds, but I've just picked up this thing
for well-written realism...

Just my two cents.

Chris
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From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:00:04 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <Nov20.014010.47069@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.143129.1511@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>In article <KAYVAN.92Nov13140101@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>>>
>>>   If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>>>   them do unto you", 
>>>
>>>But I *do* unto others as I would have them do unto me! Whips, chains,
>>>cuffs etc... :-)
>>>
>>>But seriously, I think the golden rule should really be: "Do unto
>>>others as *they* would have you do unto them."
>>>
>>--------------------------
>>Problem with that one, Kayvan. You become their slave. You have to do
>>whatever they want, and then they do too, so nobody can figure out
>>what to do, they are all so worn out following each other around and
>>asking what they should do. :) 
>
>Hey, I just had a brainstorm! ("with what?")
>
>How about writing it: "Do unto others as you both would have done unto
>yourselves."
>
>Think that'll work?
>
>Big Al.  I have to lie down, now.
-----------------------------------
I think I covered that somewhere a couple times on this thread. I
would like the woman next to me to rip her clothes off and have
passionate sex with me, should I then do that to her? Or, I like to
masturbate. Should I masturbate the person next to me without asking
since I didn't ask myself?

It sounds like a good rule might be, don't do anything to anybody
without asking unless you intend to arrest them or kill them for a
just cause. If you don't like the killing part, just try to arrest
terrorists sometime, or the Iraqi army.
- Steve

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