HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Summary: Walk record
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:30:16 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep9.182541.20103@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>Randy Johnson   172 innings ..... 124 BB !!!
>
>Good grief - is this close to some kind of record for a season?
Not even close.  In 1890, Amos Rusie walked 289 (according to the Franklin)
however, he did pitch 548.2 innings

The AL record is Bob Feller in 1938 with 208 in 277.2 innings
More recently, Nolan Ryan walked over 200 in 1974 and 1977.

For ratio of walks to innings, how about

     Tommy Byrne, 1951          150 walks  143.2 innings   1.04 ratio
     Bobby Witt, 1987           140        143              .98
     John D'Acquisto, 1976      102        106              .96

Among those who qualified for league leaders (currently 162 IP)

     Tommy Byrne, 1949          179 BB     196 IP           .91
     Bill George, 1877           89        108              .82
     Hal Newhouser, 1941        137        173              .79

Byrne had 3 full seasons (min 100 IP) when his walks exceeded his hits allowed.
Ryan, Turley, and Bobby Witt have done this twice.  Other active pitchers who
have done this once are Eric Plunk, Randy Johnson, and Mitch Williams.
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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Roger forgot his medication
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:04:19 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep10.204437.208@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
says:
>
>    Roger Craig must have forgotten to take his medication before last
>night's game.  With 2 on and no out in the bottom 9th, (the Giants are
>trailing, as usual, 6-4) he sent Mike Benjiman (.180) to pinch hit.
>Benjiman attempted to bunt the runners to 2nd and 3rd, but failed twice.
>He swinged and missed for strike 3.  Then Clayton grounded into a DP to
>end the game.  First of all, Benjiman should not be up there in the first
>place.  This is September and the roster has expanded.  I'm sure there is
>somebody that is a better hitter (or bunter) than Benjiman sitting in the
>dugout.  Against a forkball pitcher like Xavier Hernandez, Benjiman has
>NO chance.  Besides, they needed 2 runs to tie.  The correct strategy
>should be to swing it away.
>     Call an ambulance for Roger.  No matter where the Giants are playing
>next season, he should not be back as manager.

     I'm not sure I totally agree with you.  Although Craig has an ability
to manage himself out of winning sometimes, I think he was okay here.  A
good sacrifice bunt not only puts *both* runners in scoring position (and
almost assuring a tie ballgame on any subsequent hit) but it eliminates the
possibility of a rally-killing double-play.  Except for the fact that Mike
Benjiman proved to be inept, I think it was a good move with no outs.

Brett
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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:47:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.151118.1557@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.232156.24743@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.170328.14290@meaddata.com> daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer) writes:
>>
>>>   Huh???  There is no possible way excluding death, that the writers
>>>   will give the NL ROY to anyone other than Mr. Eric Karros. An
>>>   average pitcher like Williams can even compare to the stats Karros
>>>   has put up with the hapless Dodgers. Williams may have a shot at
>>>   the Rookie Pitcher's award, but the ROY, that would be a crime!
>>
>>If Karros does get the ROY it would be a crime (not to say that it won't
>>happen; in fact, it has a good chance of happening).  Both Reggie Sanders and
>>Moises Alou have contributed more than he has.
>
>Why do you have this fascination with part-timers? It is a FACT that neither
>Alou nor Sanders have nearly as much playing time as Karros. It is also a 
>FACT that Karros plays in a much more difficult park for hitters: in fact, the
>5-year average for SLG and HR increase is higher for Riverfront than for any
>other park in the majors (yes, including Wrigley, Tiger Stadium, and Atlanta).
>
It is also a fact that LA doesn't have anyone else to play Karros' position.

Sanders is a part-timer, true, but his presense gives his team a much-needed
offensive boost against lefties.  The fact that he has a higher average and 
a ton of doubles make him a clear contender for ROY.  It's his defense that
makes me wary (and weary). 

(By the way, Sanders has had a couple of GWRBI's in the last week, and I can
think of at least ONE very big such shot that Alou hit.)

RStimets


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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: Fielder
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:29:00 GMT

In article <BuF25H.7q1@zoo.toronto.edu>, rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes...
>Out of curiosity, is there anyone on the net who would really rather
>have Fielder then either Thomas, McGuire, or Olerud?  Short answers
>are preferred.

I think that if we're talking about a one-year thing, I'd take Cecil over
Olerud.  Olerud is one of the few guys in the league who is as immobile as 
Cecil, so he loses any defensive/baserunning advantage, and all other
factors being equal, I'd probably be willing to trade the OBP for a higher SLG.
If you factor Olerud's youth into the equation, things slant in Olerud's
favor.

You'd have to be completely nuts to rather have Cecil over FT or McGwire.  Even
in a 50-HR Cecil year.

Just my $0.02,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce 'Slower than Cecil Fielder or John Olerud' Hasch  hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
Bill Ripken Anti-Fan Club                               
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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Fielder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:44:03 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Out of curiosity, is there anyone on the net who would really rather
have Fielder then either Thomas, McGuire, or Olerud?  Short answers
are preferred.
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:45:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.214510.27670
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays

September 4
Ken "Hawk" Harrelson, 1941
Doyle Alexander, 1950
Frank White, 1950
Eddie Waitkus, 1919
Clarence "Tillie" Walker, 1889
Paul Householder, 1958
Rod Booker, 1958

September 5
Nap Lajoie, 1875 (HOF)
"No Touch" Bill Mazeroski, 1936
Al "Curveless Wonder" Orth, 1872
John "Buddy" Hassett, 1911
Max "Tilly" Bishop, 1899
Gene Bearden, 1920
Candy Maldonado, 1960
Greg Olson, 1960
Tim Birtsas, 1960
Jeff Brantley, 1963

September 6
Red Faber, 1888 (HOF)
Harry The Horse Danning, 1911
Vince Dimaggio, 1912
Hal Jeffcoat, 1924
Tommy Thevenow, 1903
Adelphia "Del" Bissonette, 1899
Roy Smith, 1961
Oyster Burns, 1864

September 7
Joe Rudi, 1946
Willie Crawford, 1946
George Stone, 1877
Curt Davis, 1903
Hooks Wiltse, 1880
Bill Schroeder, 1958
Sergio Valdez, 1964
Dave Foutz, 1856
Lou Ritter, 1875
Rick Sweet, 1952

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * 
 Steve Smith                      * "We want a pitcher, not a belly itcher." 
 University of Washington HR-20   *    			-- Bill Plummer
 Seattle, WA 98195                * 		
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: More about Sanders/Alou/Karros
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:49:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.153349.2908@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>Alou is a platoon player. Sanders has done quite a bit of that himself.

Huh, Mike?  I believe I have shown that both of them have produced *more*
despite *less* playing time.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins)
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks on the Net
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:15:26 GMT

glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:

>I agree with a lot of this.  Mr. Huckabay has done worse, though.  I
>remember the time that he changed his name file to my name.
>In short, he used my name to post annoying articles telling everyone
>to go to **** ,etc.  This damaged my reputation unfairly.

Gary Huckabay didn't sign his posts with your name; he signed them with
his own.  While I don't particularly like the name-swapping in the
headers, even the most casual of observers realizes that many of them
are ridiculous hoaxes.

You, on the other hand, offered absurd arguments to start out with, and
then ended up denying your own name was Blickhan!  Since I'm at the
same institution, I looked it up:  "...Blesy....Blewett....Ah,
Blickhan, Gary.  Hm."  Then, after you were showed up, you posted a
bunch of one-line responses after quoting a hundred lines, signing
Huckabay's name to them.

If your reputation was "damaged unfairly" it was only because it wasn't
damaged enough!  On the net, you didn't *have* a reputation to damage.

     ----Jon Hamkins  (hamkins@uiuc.edu)
         University of Illinios
         Urbana, IL
From: rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ripken's Season
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:51:40 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Originator: rkidwell@slash.stsci.edu

>>The O's look pretty dead.  Pity.  I was looking forward to a race.
> 
> Yeah.  :-( None of the teams really wanted to win it, but the O's and
> the Brewers managed to out-suck the Jays.  And now the Jays are
> playing well again.  And it looks like Oakland will win the West, so
> I'll have to root for the Jays again!
> 
R.I.P. Orioles

They might be in first if not for *brilliant* batting orders. Oates actually
had Ripken batting fourth last week! Yeah, I bet that will 'adrenalize' the
33.5 million dollar zombie back to life. IMHO, a three day nap might work
out better.

I was once told that "managers have access to more info than any fan I
know, so think twice before slamming their moves..." 

Considering there are many out here who have been questioning Oates' lineups
for most of the summer... and the OPS type numbers indicate that the O's are
not scoring in accordance to their output...What is the problem? Why does
everyone but Oates recognize that the multi million middlemen (Ripken &
Davis batting 4&5) have sabotaged some very good seasons by the guys
batting in front and behind them? How long do you wait for players to
'come around' during (what was) an extremely close pennant race?

My head nearly explodes everytime Davis and Ripken pop up, strike out,
or double play away potential big innings. At least Earl had the sense
to bat Belanger 9th.

rck

-- 
  >>>>>>>> .sigs are so tired, they expose the rookies instantly <<<<<<<<
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From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: Times on Base: all-time records and Frank Thomas
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:55:42 GMT

   I don't have the availability for a lot of stats but I do have walks
and hits up to 1978 and anybody over 300 total bases had a truly great year.
I say M. Mantlewas in the 310's a couple of times. George Sisler was
there, and Rogers Hornsby. Willie Mays didn't hit or walk a lot- 200 hits
100 walks. What Frank Thomas is doing is amazing. I don't have his stats, so
I'd like to know what he is doing, lots of walks, hits or what? Also 379 is
in the OZONE!!! Thats as damn close to unbreakable as 56.
 
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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: humid or dry air ?
Keywords: flight dist
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.153130.20008@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby) writes:
>
>This has probably come up in the "high altitude" research
>on the distance a baseball will go .etc...
>
>All other things being equal, will a baseball travel farther
>when it's hit in humid air (say 75%) compared to dry air (<10%) ?
>My intuition says humid air, as it's less dense ?

Less dense?  I'm no authority but I equate Humid air with Thick air.

>Anyone out there who KNOWS, post or drop me email.  

I don't know, but I posted anyway.  So sue me.

>thx.
>
>
RStimets
From: lrg@crud.cray.com (Lee Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Oakland A's Ticket Information?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:49:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: walter.1992Sep4.164939.157
Reply-To: lrg@crud.cray.com (Lee Gordon)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: lrg@crud


Hello,

     I'm going to be in the Bay area the last week of September.  Could
some kind soul email me the phone number for purchasing A's tickets?  I'd
like to see a baseball game outside for a change.  The Metrodome is rather
sterile.  Thanks.

	-Lee
From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks on the Net
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:59:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: maredsous

In article 28655@midway.uchicago.edu, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
%In article <BuE1y4.7Dn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
%>I agree with a lot of this.  Mr. Huckabay has done worse, though.  I
%>remember the time that he changed his name file to my name.
%>In short, he used my name to post annoying articles telling everyone
%>to go to **** ,etc.  This damaged my reputation unfairly.
%
%Really?  My recollection was that you changed your "name" to Gary
%Huckabay and posted a couple of dozen one-line responses to 200-line posts.

..and *my* recollection was that you (Gary B., not Ted) denied that
Gary L. Blickhan was your name, but were proved wrong by somebody who
fingered your account.  Talk about ruining your reputation!

BTW, if you want to complain about this follow-up, send mail to
root@maredsous.eng.sun.com.
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:44:52 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Sep11.170946.46051@watson.ibm.com>, mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.020617.899@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>	Yep, I'm the only sarcastic person in this group...
> 
> Not by a long shot, bub. Don't flatter yourself. Fact is, you can assume

	Apparently you can't recognize sarcasm when you see it then.

> Look, people are disagreeing with you, sometimes stridently, because there's
> a fair bit of evidence supporting the opposing viewpoint. Mostly, they're
> being polite. Even when they're not, there's nothing here that would be
> classed as more than a mild flame on a lot of newsgroups. Don't be so thin
> skinned and debate the issues, not the people.
> 


	What makes you think its *really* bothering me? 8-)

Brandon Cope

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Is Glavine a CY shoe in?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:47:46 GMT

I was watching ESPN Sportcenter and they showed some interesting
stats:
Tom Glavine (2.81 ERA) is well behind Bob Tewksbury (2.0something)
and Greg Maddux (2.2something). Tewksbury and Maddux also have a higher
ratio of quality starts and walk-strikeout ratio (I believe). Tewksbury
has 17 walks and 16 wins, it could be argued that Maddux is the most 
valuable player to his team, in the NL. I think both have been consistently
more effective pitchers. Neither has the run support of Glavine but Glavine
has won some games where has was wacked around. 

Unfortunately, I think he is a shoe-in although I think i would vote
for Tewks and Maddux first. Atlanta will be in the playoffs while Chicago
and St Louis won't.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:38:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.161341.2574@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.231135.16962@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>Why is it that the people who purport to *least* believe in statistics
>>are so ready to bet the bank on the least significant ones?  Roger,
>
>Probably for the same reason the people who most decry the "mediots" are the
>same who will spend the most time this winter defending the "mediots" MVP
>selection.

Hey, if a mediot managed to mention that the sky was blue, I wouldn't
discredit it; they're bound to get something right accidentally occasionally.

Now, nine mediots last year said (and voted) that Cecil Fielder was the
AL's MVP, when he wasn't (1) the MVP of the Tigers, or (2) the MV first
baseman.  And Fielder still complained.
-- 
           .........................................................
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
From: joeb@cserver.plexus.com (Joe Brotz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Robin at 2,999!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:01:24 GMT
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin

Last night Robin Yount collected his 2,999th career hit in the first
inning against the Cleveland Indians. He failed to get number 3,000
in 4 more ABs. Tonight Robin goes for 3,000 again. Tonight's game
is the last game of the Brewer's homestand and the weather forecast
sounds like a rainout is possible. The Brewers have an open date 
tommorrow (Thursday). 

Question for any Indians fans out there: 

Do the Indians have an open date tommorrow? If the game gets rained out
tonight, will we be able to reschedule for Thursday at home? 

If not, the Brewers go to Baltimore next, and the Oriole fans will 
get the fun of seeing hit #3000.

Praying for dry weather.....

--
"Statistics are like a girl       <           Joseph A. Brotz         >
in a bikini. They show a lot,     < INTERNET: joeb@cserver.plexus.com >
but not everything" - Toby Harrah <     UUCP: spool!cserver!joeb      >
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for DHes
Organization: NSSL
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.231709.18909@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>Paul Molitor, Milwaukee	7.74	; finally seized the lead from...
>Dave Winfield, Toronto		7.63
>Brian Downing, Texas		7.45
>Chili Davis, Minnesota		6.02	; why can't the Angels have kept them?
>Glenn Davis, Baltimore		5.96
>Albert Belle, Cleveland	5.66
>AL AVERAGE			5.15
>Harold Baines, Oakland		4.94
>Kevin Maas, New York		4.87
>George Bell, Chicago		4.85
>George Brett, Kansas City	4.75	; no more comments
>Jack Clark, Boston		4.38
>Hubie Brooks, California	2.88	; it wasn't you, Harold, was it?

Harrumph!!  Any resemblance between Hubie's performance or paycheck and mine
is purely fictional.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 6 September)  .242 BA  .376 SLG  .279 OBA
27 H from .300  4 H from .250  8 HBP  9 BB
From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Don Baylor HBP (was Re: Times on Base: all-time records ...)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:11:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division (LAFS)

In article <lashgiINN1oe@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 3728@menudo.uh.edu, chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane) writes:
>%>In article <37806@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes: 
>%Getting hit with a pitch intentionally is extremely stupid. The probability of getting injured and being
>%out of the lineup for weeks or months (thus hurting your team), far outweighs the benefit of 
>
> [some of this deleted]
>
>%
>%Sam
>
>Generally I would agree with you, Sam, but having watched Baylor play a few
>games at Fenway and then at Oakland (okay, *very* few games at Oakland), I'd
>have to say that he had the HBP down as an art form more than anybody else
>I have ever seen.  I don't know if he ever got injured getting plunked, but
>every (yes, *every*) time I saw him get hit, he turned his shoulder into the
>pitch and it bounced harmlessly off his well-padded arm.  And he would grin
>afterward!  I definitely consider it a skill the way Baylor did it.
>
>-todd


A side note to this.  Early this year watching Baseball Tonight I think
they showed a clip of Don Baylor in the Cardinal dugout while they were up
at bat having a humorous conversation with some players when a line drive
foul ball was hit right at him.  It was funny watching all the players 
reflexively scramble out of the way of the errant shot while Baylor 
nonchalantly *bare-handed* the ball.  The guys got to have nerves of steel
or something...
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Toronto press and Morris for Cy Young
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:23:00 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I don't pretend to be an authority here (only regularly
read one of the Toronto papers; watch or listen to most
games, but listen to little else relevant to baseball
on these media), but I haven't heard anyone here say that
Morris should win the Cy Young this year (although I'm sure
that some crazies on the phone-in shows have suggested it).
I'll keep my ears open, and others from the area may have
a different impression.  Before his injury, there certainly
was talk of Guzman for Cy Young, and I think that he was probably
the best pitcher in the first half.  

In a little blurb in the Globe & Mail this a.m. re. the President
(or some such a mucky-muck) of CBS has wished the Jays ill in the 
efforts to win the AL east and AL flag because they elicit 
very little fan interest in the US.  Perhaps they also elicit
little interest from the US press.  Do you suppost that Clemens
could win the Cy Young if he pitched for the Jays?  (Now please
DON'T take that to imply that I think that Morris or any other
Jay this year deserves the award.  I don't!)
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca