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From: nnhut@bnr.ca (Nhut Nguyen)
Subject: Re: WANT GCC? FORGET FAQ.GCC AND README?? READ THIS FIRST!!!!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:10:56 GMT

mike@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu (Michael A. Murphy) writes:

>In article <186a86INNcsb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>>
>>Forget README and FAQ.
>>THEY JUST AREN'T WORTH THE TIME READING!!!!!!!!!!!
>>

>Thanks you, HLU, for all the work you have put into giving Linux
>a good implementation of GCC.  Reading comprehension (or lack thereof)
>is not your problem.  The README and FAQ are fine.

I second this. I can not believe that there are people out there
can post articles using language that may discourage volunteers 
who have put tremendous time and effort to give us a wonderful 
system as Linux, on a public forum like c.o.l.
(BTW, when I first read the subject disaster at tsx-11 by the same poster, 
I thought that there is some killing/hurricane going on at MIT :-) )

Please think twice before you post. THink about what you have to PAY and about
the efforts that Linus, Ted, H.J and other Linux volunteers have put 
into this project to give us what we have today, all for free.

>>Hopefully this will motivate someone (in authority?) to make this
>>installation process a little easier.

If you have problems, may I suggest that you ask polite questions to the net.
I'm sure that there are thousands of users who can give you answer.
And I think people like H.J., Linus and Ted are always willing to help
you, if you ask politely. We all need help.

>I never thought I would say this, but:
>If Linux is making your life so miserable, please go back to DOS,
>or buy a Mac, or get some little wooden blocks that you can stack
>on top of each other.  Maybe stacking little wooden blocks would
>be better suited to your capabilities.

>To all other readers:  My apologies, but i am extremely tired of
>listening to people gripe about FTP sites, GCC installation, Linux
>shortcomings is general.  We should be (and _I_ am) extremely 
>grateful to the people who have put much time and energy into
>making Linux avaiable to us.  My thanks to all involved with Linux
>(archive sites, programmers, porters) for making a great free
>OS available to me.   Please don't think that the few who bitch
>and moan are representative of the community making use of your
>work.  Most of us really appreciate what you have done.

Please count me as one in this group. Millions of thanks to all Linux
volunteers. WE _ARE_ very grateful to what you have done. Please don't 
be discouraged by a few unthankful individuals.

Nhut.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: Re: How do you install programs?
Keywords: Linux, newbie, FAQ?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:27:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.031010.12106@eskimo.celestial.com> shamus@eskimo.celestial.com (Jay Mottern) writes:
>
>I'd like to install the manual, Elvis and a comm program (minicom) but
>can't get them onto my Linux partition (hda2, root and user, 30 MB).
>The files are currently on my DOS partition. I've tried rawriting the
>files to floppies and using dd, and tried mounting the DOS partition
>and copying them directly, but nothing works.
>
>......................................................................
>     shamus@eskimo.celestial.com          (Jay Mottern)
>
>     "Welcome to Seattle. Now go home!" (bumper sticker)


If you got those programs via modem try rawriting them
one per disk.
Then try :
tar zxvf /dev/fd0   
Now z option tells tar to run uncompress first. If file
is not compressed omit it. (ie if file name doesn't end
in Z). Also if your tar is a new one it doesn't support z
option. In that case do:
uncompress < /dev/fd[01] | tar xvf -
'-' tels tar to read from stdin.
Ps. fd0 is your a drive fd1 is b.
PS2: Install mtools as soon as possible. ;)

				Rafal
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 || some great museum of science, and past it would file a steady
==== stream of mathematicians gazing at 1 in wonder and awe.
From: Emmett.Sauer@f215.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Emmett Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: UUCP/news
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:48:00 -0800

SB>    I am intending to set up my bbs running linux.  I am
SB> currently running
SB> waffle under (yech) DOS I need to know where to find UUCP and
SB> NEWS software

You may feel free to call my BBS (Advanced BBS) and freq what ever Linux
files
you may need.   I FTP all Linux related files I can get... I even have
some Unix BBS's systems that need to be ported... I have been working on
one and am real close to getting it up.

Emmett Sauer                            |   Advanced BBS   |
emmett@tenet.edu                        |  (512) 578-2720  |
                                        |  Fido 1:3802/215 |
                                        |   Linux files &  |
                                        |  UNOFFICAL Linux |
                                        |     Support      |


 * Origin: Advanced BBS - Line 1 (512)578-2720 (1:3802/215)
From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
Summary: no it isn't
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:35:03 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <92246.130256MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu> MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu (Beaker) writes:
>In article <180toaINNnaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A.
>Lewis) says:
>>
>>Someone seriously need to do some housekeeping in the LINUX directories
>>on TSX-11.MIT.EDU. It's a wreck.
>
>This is a very selfish thing to say.  For one thing, the maintainer of
>tsx-11 is keeping the archives out of his own kind heart.  Second,

Well, yes, it is kinda selfish, and yes, the maintainer is doing a Good Thing
by allowing us to use his machine.

>what is wrong with them?  IMHO, everything is where it should be.  It's

While I don't think anything *needs* to be done (everything is in it's place),
there's a little bit of work that could be done to perhaps make things a little
easier to understand.  By this I mean filenames could be more descriptive and
older versions could be moved to subdirectories.

>not like there are 10,000 files in /pub/linux.  There is also a ls-ltr
>file there if you get confused with all the nested directories.  Just
>get the file, and print it out on a line printer.

This is fine if you know what you're looking for.  Granted each file appears to
be explained in either the README or FAQ for a given package.

[stuff deleted]

>Someone also mentioned about using descriptors for the directory structure.
>This would be more trouble than it would be worth.

Agreed.

[more stuff deleted]

>                                     More important, linux is not
>supposed to be a system for beginning unix users.  Just about any unix

'Scuse me?  Why not?  What's with MCC and SLS, then?  Nice, painless procedures
designed for DOS pups, no?  Linux is not a finished, polished, finely tuned OS
yet, despite it's stability and the number of features, and some rough edges
may screw up those beginning to use Unix, but I think Linux is an excellent way
to introduce folks to Unix!

>user should be able to recognize a file like groff.tar.Z as the GNU
>version of nroff.

That's easy.  It's things like 2.2.2dfix5.tar.Z or 2.2.2dg1.tar.Z that aren't
necessarily readily apparent even to those familiar with Unix. As I said above,
these files are explained in the FAQs and READMEs.

>
>--Beaker

It may be unclear what each file on tsx-11:/pub/linux does, and if it's so
unclear you can't deal with it, then stick to SLS, read and re-read the FAQs,
ask questions, etc., but don't say the site is a mess. The canned installation
packages exist for folks unfamiliar with Unix who want to give Unix a try, and
folks who don't have the desire/time to futz around looking for everything
from different ftp sites.

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@ashleigh.kodak.com
From: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help with X11 clock/monitor settings
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:40:02 GMT
Reply-To: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com
Organization: The Internet

I got startx to run and give me information about the video card.  The message
reported to me was:

	VGA256: et3000 (mem 512k clocks: 25 28 48 41 0 0 0 42)

The monitor I am using is an older Magnavox VGA display, but I know it can
display at least 800x600 in 256 colors with the current card.  However, the
manual for the monitor is boxed up somewhere in California and I am in Chicago
(not good).

I am gussing that from this point, I want to place the above clock values into
Xconfig on the "Clocks" line.  The problem I seem to be faced with is the
horizontal and vertical timings for my monitor.

Any ideas?

-kwh-
-- 
Kevin W. Hammond
hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com

                               "99.9% DOS Free"

  CASE Engineering * 575 W. Madison #1601 * Chicago, IL 60661 * (312)902-2161
From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Writing a Matlab-type Package for Linux and  On-Line FAQ
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:15:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

I've heard part of that story too. But I heard it it was a case of the
professor deciding several years after it had been released that
he didn't want it circulated because people would confuse it with
the real thing. If I find my copy, I can verify if the initial release
was public domain.

 My understanding is once software is released to public domain, there
is no mechanism for recalling it, besides appealing to the public's
better nature. Net lawyers can report on this to us.
-- 
Clarence Wilkerson      \ Bitnet:       wilker%math.purdue.edu@purccvm
Prof. of Math.           \ Internet:    wilker@math.purdue.edu
Dept. of Mathematics      \ messages:   (317) 494-1903, FAX 494-0548
Purdue University,         \ office:    (317) 494-1955 (voice/modem)
W. Lafayette, Indiana 47907 \
From: geek+@CMU.EDU (Brian E. Gallew)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How do you install programs?
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:15:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QecDEIS00WAJEDSlB4
	<1992Aug30.152738.20697@utstat.uucp>
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Rafal writes:
>PS2: Install mtools as soon as possible. ;)
Since linux now supports the dos fs, what *possible* use is mtools?

                                  -Brian

You drop the bomb -more-
It goes off... -more-
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From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:46:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu (Beaker) says:

>In article <180toaINNnaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A.
>Lewis) says:
>>
>>Someone seriously need to do some housekeeping in the LINUX directories
>>on TSX-11.MIT.EDU. It's a wreck.
>>
>
>This is a very selfish thing to say.  For one thing, the maintainer of
>tsx-11 is keeping the archives out of his own kind heart.  Second,
>what is wrong with them?  IMHO, everything is where it should be.  It's
>not like there are 10,000 files in /pub/linux.  There is also a ls-ltr
>file there if you get confused with all the nested directories.  Just
>get the file, and print it out on a line printer.  Tsx-11 is also set
>up with symbolic links to make life easier.



If you have time, take a look a nic.funet.fi and the Linux directories.
Everything is up to date there and there aren't any old FAQS or images
laying around. Too bad it's so far away. We need a closer mirror.

Don'tget me wrong. I TRULY appreciate the guy on TSX-11.
I just think it intimidates beginners when they ftp to it. Such was
the case with me. AND WE ALL WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF INSTALLATION
QUESTIONS AROUND HERE, right? 


BTW, is there any docs with the numbers 0.97 or 0.97.1 in them?

Later

-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis      "There is no middle ground/Or that's how it seems/For 
Thieves Like Us        us to walk or to take/Instead we tumble down/Either
mal11@po.cwru.edu      side left or right/To love or to hate."
					-A Strange Kind of Love
From: tdzubin@cue.bc.ca (Thomas Dzubin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Will SLIP/PPP support be available soon?
Date: 30 Aug 1992 16:14:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Now that the TCP/IP stuff is available for beta testing using WD (SMC?)
boards, does anyone know if SLIP/PPP support is being worked on?

One of the nice things about Linux is that it's cheap.  (actually, free!  :-)
I would imagine that quite a few people are probably running Linux at home
like myself and don't have their home wired with 10base2 or 10baseT or
whatever... (yes, I *know* some of you do).  Therefore the Ethernet board
TCP/IP support is nice, but not useable.
If SLIP/PPP support was available, this would open up a heck of a lot more
opportunities for people with 'just' modems.

Is the TCP/IP stuff slated to be included in the next 'standard' Kernel
release (Linus?).

I notice that my machine has a 16450 instead of the 16550...is this going
to be a problem when (if?) SLIP becomes available?

Thanks.
Thomas Dzubin
tdzubin@cue.bc.ca
Organization: Penn State University
X-Subliminal-Message: oomogswoc rules!!!!
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:02:56 EDT
From: Beaker <MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!

In article <180toaINNnaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A.
Lewis) says:
>
>Someone seriously need to do some housekeeping in the LINUX directories
>on TSX-11.MIT.EDU. It's a wreck.
>

This is a very selfish thing to say.  For one thing, the maintainer of
tsx-11 is keeping the archives out of his own kind heart.  Second,
what is wrong with them?  IMHO, everything is where it should be.  It's
not like there are 10,000 files in /pub/linux.  There is also a ls-ltr
file there if you get confused with all the nested directories.  Just
get the file, and print it out on a line printer.  Tsx-11 is also set
up with symbolic links to make life easier.

Someone also mentioned about using descriptors for the directory structure.
This would be more trouble than it would be worth.  For one thing, someone
has to make all of the descriptions.  More important, linux is not
supposed to be a system for beginning unix users.  Just about any unix
user should be able to recognize a file like groff.tar.Z as the GNU
version of nroff.

--Beaker
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Kevin W. Hammond <hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com>
Subject: Re: VM386?  Possible?
Reply-To: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:56:33 GMT

When you run a virtual 86 machine, you are only running an 8086 (8088).  Programs
such as Windows 3.0 in real mode would run under such a mode, but Windows 3.1
(or Windows 3.0 in standard or enhanced mode) would not.  Even programs such as
DESQview and DESQview/X will only run Windows in Standard mode (unless I'm really,
really wrong).  They will not run Windows in it's full-blown 386 mode.

-kwh-
-- 
Kevin W. Hammond
hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com

  CASE Engineering * 575 W. Madison #1601 * Chicago, IL 60661 * (312)902-2161
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: koch@rtsg.mot.com (Clifton Koch)
Subject: TCP/IP beta version? Info wanted
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:22:04 GMT

  I missed the first part of the thread, but is there a version of TCP/IP
out for linux?  If so, where?

CVK
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle)
Subject: Re: Two problems. (Elm/Smail/lib/libc.2.2.2, shutdown)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:00:23 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Aug25.161632.8144@julian.uwo.ca> klode@syslab.csd.uwo.ca (Claude Morin) writes:
>
>    The problem occurs when /etc/utmp has a record for someone who is no longer
>logged in.  When that happens, shutdown will attempt to send a message, will
>block, and your system will 'hang'.  Note that /etc/utmp corruption is quite
>common, and can be caused (as in your case), by rebooting while in X11.  Your
>/etc/utmp file probably has an entry for user 'smith' on 'ttyp6' or something
>like that.  You can check with 'who' or 'w'.
>

I have in my rc file the lines:

/bin/rm -f /etc/utmp
/usr/bin/touch /etc/utmp

which, on bootup, automatically initializes utmp to have no logged in users.
I did this back when I was rebooting from X alot, before I got my video 
timings figured out.  It seems like a reasonable precaution anyway, since
at bootup there cannot be anyone logged in :).

Jean.
-- 
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Computer Science, Illinois State University | 
e-mail:  jliddle@ilstu.edu                  | - Carol Mosley Braun for Senat -
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Bus mouse works, sorta
Keywords: microsoft, bus
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:00:11 GMT


That's really strange... That's what happened way back before the
select() stuff was working correctly.

You might want to check to see that your select() handling hasn't
changed any... I'll take a look at the code you sent when I have time.
It sounds as though the interrupt routine isn't waking up the select() call.
So the keyboard is what wakes up the X server from its select() call,
and it notices that the mouse has been racking up counters too.

-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
Occidental College    | bulb?  A: Three.  One to replace the bulb, and two to
1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
Los Angeles, CA 90041 | experience. ---------------------------rafetmad@oxy.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: Bus mouse
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:07:23 GMT


I asked before, among other questions but no answer.
Please, big PLEASE, tell me HOW DO YOU USE BUSMOUSE?
I mean do you have to create device file for it?
I applied busmouse patch but I can't try it.
X without mouse is no fun ;);)

PS OK, sorry for screaming but I'm waiting to use my 
X effectivelly. And answer must be simple ;);) is it?
-- 
/|| Numbers exist only in our minds. There is no physical entity that
 ||_is_ number 1. If there were, 1 would be in a place of honor in 
 || some great museum of science, and past it would file a steady
==== stream of mathematicians gazing at 1 in wonder and awe.
From: ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 0.97 patch 2 problems
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:40:33 GMT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug24.125204.16144@athena.mit.edu> chchen@stat.fsu.edu writes:
>I got both 0.97 patch 2 file and whole kernel source codes. I applied
>the patch to my original patch 1.5 source (modified during installing
>GCC 2.2.2d), had a make and used the new image to reboot. Two problems
>occurred: the mount from 0.97p1 root image produced a core dump and
>the PS just showed the title line.
>   Using the whole new kernel source to re-make again I had the same
>problems. So now I am using 0.97 p1.5 again.
>Any clue?
>BTW, according the note in GCC 2.2.2d installation script, we should
>delete "-nostdinc -I" from the line
>       CC=gcc -nostdinc -I$(KERNELHDRS)
>in the Makefile. This causes some compiling messages saying that
>the directory is not linked and the included files will not be used.
>Anyway, I can still got the kernel compiled this way.
>
>Steve Chen               chchen@stat.fsu.edu

After royally screwing up my first attempt at installing GCC2.2.2d (I
started doing it the old way), I gave it another shot last night.  I
started with a clean installation of the Linux 0.97 source, as explained
in the Linux documentation.  Then I applied the first patch.  Then
I installed GCC2.2.2d as explained in the GCC2.2.2d documentation, and
after that I installed the second Linux patch and the TCP/IP stuff and
everything compiled nicely!  Great job, guys.

A suggestion for anyone having problems with GCC2.2.2d:  READ THE
INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS!!!

[ Long time readers of this news group will find this post to be much
more cheerful than my "this doesn't work right" posts of the past. :-) ]


-- 
Jim H.
*
* James L. Henrickson
* ujlh@sunyit.edu        "Some day I might have a real .signature!"
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: lp1 timeout errors
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug26.043317.17003@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, peterw@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Peter Williams ) writes:

| I think that the proper cure for this problem is to get rid of the timeout code
| altogether (that's what I do). If your printer runs out of paper in the middle
| of a print with the timeout as is you only have the duration of the timeout in
| which to replenish the paper or the print gets aborted and you have to start
| again. This is a real pain with documents that have more pages than your
| hopper size.

  I believe Peter is perfectly correct here. Trying to fix the problem
by making the timeout larger is like fixing a lack of memory by adding
more memory instead of fixing the memory leak. It puits off the problem
but doesn't solve it.

| It is my intention (when I get time and I understand device drivers) to propose
| a permanent solution to this problem. Possible enhancements involve examining the
| returned signals for information such as "out of paper" that most printers send
| as well as just the "printer busy" code.

  Sounds good to me, I just dug out an old Epson for my Linux box, which
is getting built out of hand-me-down parts from other systems as they
get upgraded. The BBS just got a better serial card, so Linux doesn't
have to switch one port between the mouse and modem anymore, and I have
a printer port now. A drive which see out-of-paper would be nice, since
I'm feeding around another printer and the paper jams more than I wound
like.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.