From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:55:43 GMT
Reply-To: rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly)

In article <1993Jan10.120038.16135@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>There is nothing wrong with public defense.  I just don't think that
>>anyone should be able to buy a gun and carry it around the street.  At
>>least in this town, there are drug dealers who would love to be able to
>>go in and buy what they want off the shelf.
>
>	Do these drug dealers now go unarmed because of the law
>in your state?  If not, then what good has the law done wrt to
>them?  How many of them are willing to carry and sell drugs, 
>but also refrain from carrying guns because they don't want to
>break the law?  Not many?

In this town, they seem to.  In Boston, the drug dealers and the gang
members all carry guns because they are at war with each other.  The
Boston bunch also seem to have a lot of full auto weapons, which are
being smuggled into the country by various drug cartels.  From what
I understand, you can get an UZI for around $1200 or so.

>>>Just concealed.  Indiana has concealed carry permit system, and quite
>>>a lot of people do carry, and we have a very low rate of violent crime
>>>(except up in the corner of the state near Chicago.  Could this mean
>>>that availablility of guns has nothing to do with violence???
>
>>So how come the carry permit system doesn't work up in the corner of
>>the state near Chicago?
>
>	How come you never answer a direct question?   How come
>you answer each question with a question, or merely switch the
>topic?   Now, to answer _your_ question, as you should be doing
>to the questions in the posts you respond to, nowhere has he 
>stated that the Indiana permit system doesn not work near Chicago.
>It works fine in all of the state:  the intention is to give a
>vehichle for law abiding citizens to carry within the law.  The problem 
>near the IL boarder is that criminals from Chicago come over and make
>trouble.  These criminals buy guns in IL, where they are legally
>forbiden to have them (but they don't care because they are 
>criminals, remember).  It is a spillover problem of "undesireable"
>people from IL.

He basically said that the gun law wasn't working in the corner of the
state near Chicago.

>>>Once again, I ask, do you have a point?
>
>>Yes, I don't feel safe if anyone can just buy a gun even if they are
>>crazy, or drug dealers, or car jackers.

If I set out today to buy an illegal gun, I bet it would take me weeks
to find someone who would sell to me.

>Do you deny that this is the case in Boston, or anywhere in MA, or
>anywhere in the US?   Do you deny that anyone can just buy a gun
>where you live, even if they are car jackers?   

In Framingham?  It would be extremely difficult to get an illegal gun.

In Boston.  Probably failry easy if you moved in the right circles.

>Is there anywhere where your precondition for a feeling of safety
>is met?  Where?

I can say that I feel safe walking outside without a gun in central
Massachusetts.

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