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From: gsu0001@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Linden)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: CAP Gemini: MIS Sweatshop?
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:50:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Educational Computing Network


  I am about in the middle of the interview process with CAP Gemini
America right now. I am also a recent CS graduate. This place looks
interesting, but I have run across some awfully bad impressions of how
this place treats its employees from a couple of people. The term used
by people who have heard of this firm is ''Sweatshop''.

  Has anyone out there heard anything, good or bad, about how CAP
Gemini treats its employees? One comment I heard from someone who is
high up in a large Chicago based insurance company was ''they have no
qualms about getting their employees to work 80 hours a week to meet
unrealistic deadlines.''

  Any comments or information would be appreciated...

   Regards,
Michael J. Linden

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------ "All generalizations, including this one, are false..." ---------
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ffitter@world.std.com (Fawn Fitter)
Subject: Re: How long before graduation to post resume?
Keywords: post resume advance
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:15:44 GMT


I was told when I was back in college that you should start posting as 
early as Spring Break, but to be cautious, because if someone made me an
offer, I should be willing to forgo finishing my degree in order to take
it.  Granted, I was in a field that had precious few available jobs, and
those that were open needed to be filled *immediately,* so your mileage
may vary.  The general rule of thumb, though, is not to send anything out
if you aren't prepared to follow up on it.
From: waltervj@coos.dartmouth.edu (Walter V. Jeffries)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:20:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


>I'd *probably* be good at it, but I'm not sure.  (I keep having these
>nightmare visions of hanging out my shingle and having *ZERO* customers.
>"If you build it, they will come" does *NOT* work in business!).

Actually, I have found in my quite extensive experience (15 years of 
working for myself) that this last bit *IS* true.  They *DO* come.
Now, you must do some marketing to let people know about your product,
but that is part of building it.  I do *VERY* minimal marketing of the
products I develop and our production is running at 100% of
capacity and always have some backlog *BECAUSE* "they do come". It won't
be easy.  You'll have to work very, very hard, but if you do good 
market research, good product development, good marketing, and good
production, you stand a good chance of doing well. There is no guarantee,
and there is no one way to do it.  You'll also need a very healthy
dose of optimisim to keep you going through the hard parts.

>I know, I know... I'm asking the corporate world to assume all the risk,
>while I reap the rewards, right?  Except I don't see it that way...
>encouraging working at home *can* bring rewards to a company (less
>frazzled workers, less need for parking and office space, more
>flexibility in corporate location, etc. etc. etc.).

Well, as much as I would like to believe in this, frankly, it doesn't
work well in general.  I have tried this repeatedly with people (employees)
and the problem is that most of them just don't get the job done.  They
good off.  Most people are not able to structure their own time and 
work well enough for this to work for them.  If they were able to do that,
then they would also have what it takes to run their own business and 
should do so, so if you feel you have the discipline to work productively
at home, get out on your own, take the risks, and reap the rewards.
But, don't ask someone else to take all the risks.
This may sound harsh, but I speak both as someone working out on their
own successfully, and as someone who has had employees (lots) and tried
to give them this type of freedom and responsibility.  I got burnt,
badly and repeatedly.

>one of the
>*reasons* I'm interested in working at home is to save me the two
>hours a day I spend commuting along with the related hassles.  If
>I go into business for myself, then I'd have to spend those two
>hours working the business side of things in *addition* to whatever
>else I'm doing... along with the related hassles.  Doesn't seem like
>much of a bargain, does it?

Well, if your only purpose is to reduce your commute/work hours then
you might be better off:
1) Moving closer to your job.
2) Getting a job closer to home.
3) Reducing your expenses so you don't need as much income and can
   work fewer hours.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The perception of reverse racism (Re: Why do Americans
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:24:25 GMT
	<1992Sep3.144648.8917@Princeton.EDU> <ted.715621265@sage0>
	<1992Sep5.015646.25904@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


From Webster's:

Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary, Copyright (C) 1963 by Merriam-Webster,
Inc.  No part of this information may be copied or reprinted without the
express written consent of the publisher.

Word: discriminate
dis.crim.i.nate \dis-'krim-*-.na-t\ vb [L discriminatus, pp. of
   discriminare, fr. discrimin-, dis]crimen distinction, fr. discernere to
   distinguish between 1a: to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar
   features of 1b: DISTINGUISH, DIFFERENTIATE 2: to distinguish by discerning
   or exposing differences; esp : to distinguish (one like object) from
   another 1a: to make a distinction 1b: to use good judgment 2: to make a
   difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual merit

Word: racism
rac.ism \'ra--.siz-*m\ \-s*st\ n 1: a belief that race is the primary
   determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences
   produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: RACIALISM - rac.ist
   n


I'm not one of those who buys into the Sister Soljuh (sp?) line that
you can't be racist if you're <whatever the PC word for afro-american
is this week>.  Sorry, but the majority can certainly be discriminated
against, and also in a racial manner.  It happens all the time.

The affects are minor compared to discrimination/racism in the other
direction.  But that's talking about the affects, not the existence of
the conditions themselves.  Those that claim a minority can't
discriminate or be racist against another group are altering the
meanings of the terms.

I'm sure the folks at Webster's are more concerned with precise
DENOTATIONAL definitions of words than they are with political
correctness.  If you want to insert your own CONNOTATIONS for the
words, feel free, but realize that that's what you're doing.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                     Those two want to go to the zoo, too!
                  They're aware bears bare their hair there.

             "Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
                          They have to take you in."
               			-- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man"
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: scoggin@opus.ee.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Subject: Contractor Compensation
Keywords: compensation contractor benefits 
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company, Newark
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:21:25 GMT

I am looking for advice on how to estimate the compensation requirements of
a contract employee.  We have a need for a Network Systems Analyst in my
group, but are not permitted to add permanent staff positions until 1994.
I already have an excellent co-op student on board, and would like very
much to keep him on-board.

The possibility exists to hire him as a contractor for a year until a staff
opening is created.  The problem is in estimating the value of a comparable
benefits package which he would have to procure on his own.  Does anyone
have any ballpark percentages on what standard health/dental insurance and
retirement packages add to base salary in the Northeast US?

Many thanks - as you can tell, I'm not in Human Resources and have no
experience in this field!

	- John

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Your milage may vary.  Void where prohibited by law (or common sense).
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jfr@glitter.RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Headhunter Fees ?
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.170217.28810@evolving.com> judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger) writes:
>James B. Pettengill)writes:
>
>>Second, their fees range from 20-35% of the first years salary payable
>>immediately upon my wife accepting a given job offer.  If the company balks
>>at paying all or a portion of the fee, my wife is responsible for the 
>>fee or portion there of.  Now if the company agrees to pay but backs 
>>out later, my wife is liable for the fee. The headhunter company
>>says 99.9% of the time the hiring company pick up the fee (yea right).
>
>My husband is a recruiter.  The practice you describe is HIGHLY unethical.
>The fee agreement is (or should be) between the company and the recruiter.
>The company pays the fee and the candidate should NEVER be liable.
>
>Run, don't walk away from these turkeys!  They sound like slimes, and the
>kind who give recruiting a bad name.

  Amen.  In California, any company that accepts a fee from an employee
  rather than from the employer must be registered with the state as
  an employment agency.  "Employer-paid" recruiters do not have to be
  registered.  An employment agency will only take the fee after employment
  has been started and usually accepts payment over time.  

  Jon Rosen
From: czei@musclefish.com (Michael Czeiszperger)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The perception of reverse racism (Re: Why do Americans
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:07:06 GMT
Organization: Muscle Fish Multimedia Engineering

In article <183402@pyramid.pyramid.com> rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener) writes:
>I live in
>California now, and have visited 40 of the 50 states, and California has to
>be the most racist, homophobic, and anti-semtic state I've ever been to.
>When I tell people that I grew up in Arizona, they say, "You are from that
>racist state", but in the next breath they will say, "I hate going to San
>Francisco because of all the fags".  I never heard this kind of talk in
>Arizona, but I hear it almost on a daily basis in California.


I don't think California is any more racist, but they think they're the
most enlightened state in the union, and so bitterly complain about
everyone else.  I recently talked to a California native who moved to
the South, and while they complained about how racist everone was
there, they added: "You know, I used to think everyone who spoke with a
southern accent was stupid, but some of them are really smart".  
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bhaim@osf.org (Bruce Haimowitz)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:37:01 GMT

In article <ted.715543611@sage0>, ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:

> 	In my experience, as long as you get the work done, people
> 	are pretty understanding.  As I've said, I've prearranged
> 	leave without pay.  I've also worked in places where comp-time
> 	is acceptable.  This allows me to work one weekend and take
> 	two days off at the end of the next week and make a 4-day weekend
> 	and thus get out of town for a longer period.

The last company I worked for, Security Dynamics, refused to give
me one extra week of unpaid leave.  So I quit.  I'm now at OSF
which has a more flexible vacation policy.  I don't see why it
is such a huge burden on companies to spell out their unpaid leave
policies in the employee handbook before an employee comes to work
for a company. Otherwise, unpaid leave policies are left
to the whim of a department manager.


-- 
Bruce Haimowitz
OSF (617) 621-8936
11 Cambridge Center * Cambridge MA 02142
bhaim@osf.org
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted...
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:08:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

jensen@gauss.eedsp.gatech.edu (P. Allen Jensen) writes:
: If one finds a co-workers resume posted to one of the resume news
: groups, is it ethical to distribute a copy of that posting to
: other people within the company ?

It's kinda rude, but you've gotta remember one thing:  You've got to
assume that ANYTHING you post to USENET is going to be read by your
boss, your wife, your mother, your kids, and your worst enemies.
Don't post anything that you fear will get into the "wrong hands", 
unless you're prepared to deal with the consequences...

: 
: Mr. John Bonning did this to me today.  Fortunately, all of the people
: in my chain of supervision were already aware that I was looking arround,
: so Mr. Bonning came off looking like an unethical jerk.
: 
: I would be interested in any suggestions as to how to deal with this sort
: of a situation.

Oh, I dunno... maybe post his name and number to alt.personals.bondage?
("Bad boy needs a GOOD whipping") 8-) 8-) 8-)

-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:44:43 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Just passing thru, doing some maintance on the FAQs.

>>Actually, I think management is more receptive to the concept of
>>telecommuting than many have implied, however the big roadblock is lack
>>of a physical medium.  The current public network simply can not support
>>home terminals running window based applications and/or video
>>links - both of which are required in order to make this concept really
>>take off.
>
>Hmm...this is really an architectural question.  Client front ends can

We have just discussed in several groups including rec.skiing.
Maybe in CDN this is true, but no longer in the US.  Bold company
experiments by firms like Xerox (who brought the world PARC) can
pull this off now.  See the paper J. Bloomenthal, Convolution Surfaces,
Proc. SIGGRAPH 1991.  This was produced by a SPARC II (24 MIPS) at Lake
Tahoe sitting in a closet at what was semi-seriously called STARC
(Scenic Tahoe Area Research Center).

The Hackers Conference is also held up in the mountains as well.
And last 1/3 of the book Hackers takes place in the Sierra foothills.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: S/W Jobs from Computer Currents
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:17:23 GMT

Found some s/w type jobs listed in the latest Computer Currents.
Not up my alley (I'm looking for an electronics tech job) but
figure someone else may be interested.

If anyone knows of any tech jobs I'll be here waiting and watching
for at least a couple more weeks(?)|

I have no affiliation with the below ads, please do not respond about
them to me.
                  -Tamara-

------------------ cut here ---------------------------------------------
Found in Computer Currents Vol 10 No. 8 Sept. 8, 1992

"Software Jobs Overseas
-----------------------
The International Computer Professional Association provides you with
the worldwide contacts and up-to-the-moment information you need to find
an exciting software job in Paris, London and many other cities around
the world. For more information about this new global network of
international opportunities, call us at: 415/695-7618 - 24 hrs a day."

"Systems Administrator F/T
--------------------------
Fast-paced energetic company seeks independent self-starter for upkeep
and support of existing network hardware and software, liason to
programming. We are looking for someone who is a go-getter, likes
challenge and is flexible. Must have adv. Mac skills, PC exp. Networking
exp. a plus. Send resume to: I.E.-19, P.O. Box 60282, Palo Alto, CA,
94306 or call Mimi at 415/494-8787"

"Software Testers
-----------------
Temporary/full time, to test software products for the legal market.
Extensive experience with IBM software and DOS required; testing and
technical writing experience preferred. Responsibilities include
in-house testing and quality control of software thru the use of existing
procedures, updating procedures and testing documentation. Pay is $11/hr.
Send resume to: Matthew Bender & Co., P.O. Box 2077, Oakland, CA, 94604.
An Equal Opportunity Employer"

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.misc,misc.forsale,ba.market,su.market,soc.culture.italian,soc.culture.europe,rec.travel
From: sullivan@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Tim Sullivan)
Subject: French, Italian teens seek au pair jobs in US
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:55:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


While traveling in Europe recently, my wife and I met two teenagers
who are interested in working in the United States as au pair girls.
Both are very enthusiastic about living in the U.S. and improving
their English.  If you need some help around the house, a live-in
baby-sitter, or want you and your family to have a chance to learn
some French or Italian, and are willing to offer room and board, some
English conversation, and a warm American welcome to an enthusiastic
teenager, contact one of them directly:

Daniela Pezzin
Via Donizetti 123
24030 Brembate Sopra (Bergamo)
Italy
Telephone 011-39-35-615540
Age 19

Vanessa Hutin
33, Boulevard de la Cascade
91260 Juvisy-Sur-Orge
France
Telephone 011-33-69-21-61-15
Age 18(?)
From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:13:13 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <92252.43832.LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>My experience is that the "thanks, were reviewing your resume..."
>letters generally are some sort of form letter. I've never gotten
>a job with a company that sent me one of those. 

That's funny.  Apple (my current employer) just mailed me one of those
it's-been-6-months-and-we-still-have-your-resume-on-file letters.  If
memory serves, DEC also mailed me a "we're reviewing your resume" letter 
after I had accepted an offer from them.

This all goes to show how far mileages vary.

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni)
Subject: Getting a job in the Computer Industry...
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:44:08 GMT

	I have now started my senior year at Colgate University,
and naturally, have starting focusing my thoughts on post-graduation 
employment.  I have a few questions that I would like to have answered. 
If anyone can shed any light on any of these general subjects, it would be
greatly appreciated.

1] What (dis)advantages does a BA in CS have, compared to a BS?

2] Do companies generally look for established skills in a possible
   employee, or do they place more importance on "potential" (ie: grades)
   
3] Does a double major in mathematics significantly benefit an applicant in the           			
   computer industry? 

Thanks for any help, Sidd

EMAIL: ssoni@csnext.colgate.edu
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Contractor compensation and agencies in the Bay Area
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:53:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Keywords: compensation contractor benefits 

 	I understand cconsultants around here makes from 1.5 to 3 times the
usual salary rate for the area. I make 1.75. It sound good but there are a
lot of extra costs. Consider how much medical insurance costs for a family.
And remember the bay area has 1.5 or more times the
national average for cost of living, so factor that in to any offers you
get. 
	
	Try these two if you are curious and can spare the cost of long 
distance.

	Dice BBS, paid for by the agencies, features about 20+ agencies, and
about 500 contracts at any one time. Call (408) 727-3423. You can also 
answer a questionaire that lets the agents/brokers know what you can do. 

	Snelling and Snelling BBS. (408) 241-2305. 

	There are lots of other headhunters in the area. 

	Would I reccomend coming here from elsewhere? Not if you are
looking for a decent standard of living. 

	But then I loath cities anyway. :-<

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: How long before graduation to post resume?
Keywords: post resume advance
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:46:50 GMT

|> I'm graduating in spring 1993 and looking for a job that starts at the
|> beginning of May, at the earliest.  How long before that should I post
|> my resume on misc.jobs.resume?

I suspect that few, if any, hiring managers read misc.jobs.resume when
seeking entry level candidates.  You'll probably have better luck
responding directly to positions announced at your school, especially
through the placement office or your department head.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted...
Keywords: ethic's,resumes,John Bonning at BellSouth Advanced Networks
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:38:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Sep4.232012.5796@ee.gatech.edu> jensen@gauss.eedsp.gatech.edu (P. Allen Jensen) writes:
>A general question:
>If one finds a co-workers resume posted to one of the resume news
>groups, is it ethical to distribute a copy of that posting to
>other people within the company ?
>I would be interested in any suggestions as to how to deal with this sort
>of a situation.
>-- 
>P. Allen Jensen                        | BellSouth Advanced Networks

You know "P", while it may not look good on the surface to 
see someone passing out a co-workers resume that was posted 
on the net, the fact remains that once someone posts a resume
to the public "airwaves", then it becomes public knowledge.
Now, it's one thing to notice a co-workers resume on the net, 
and to print it and show it to a couple of people.  It's quite
another to print the resume, and distribute it company-wide
as an inter-office memorandum.  I think it depends on how the
distribution is done.  The person who posts their resume to the
net has to realize that someone from their company could see
the resume posted to the net.  They have to know that they are
taking that chance of being discovered as job-hunting.  If not,
then they deserve what happens to them.    --Keith


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.rural