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From: mohawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mohawk Dave)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Digitech rack effects question
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:44:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Can someone please explain to me:
1) The difference between a GSP-21 and a GSP-21 Pro
2) Does the upgrade ROM (to Legend) result in equivalent systems
   for both the GSP-21 and the GSP-21 Pro?  Also, are the resulting
   systems exactly the same as the Legend?  (I know the pedalboard
   for the Legend has a different pedal arrangement).

thanks
From: mack@anasaz (David MacKnight)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Summary: Regular tuning slide
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:44:43 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, AZ, USA

In article <1992Aug31.224642.29716@wam.umd.edu>, peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent) writes:
> 
> The only person i've heard play slide in standard tuning is Danny Gatton, and
> he plays it wonderfully.  I on the other hand, am having a hell of a time 
> trying to do it, but it can be done.
> 

Rick Vito also plays slide on standard tuning.  Listen to the solos on
"Like A Rock" by Bob Seiger.  Also, he gave an interview to Guitar Player
a few months ago where he talks about his style.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: denio@scubed.com (Dennis C. O'Neill)
Subject: Re: PAIA
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:33:20 GMT

For the person who wanted PAIA's address and phone:

PAIA Electronics, Inc.
3200 Teakwood Lane
Edmond, Oklahoma 73013

405-340-8300
-- 
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
From: denio@scubed.com (Dennis C. O'Neill)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Speaking of Strats, Whuzza Deal on the Clapton?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:42:12 GMT
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

In article <pquince.715987646@blacks> pquince@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Quince) writes:
>
>My gitar teacher told me that Fender or somebody is now 
>producing a high end strat which is like an Eric Clapton
>signature model or something.  I got the impression is runs
>around the $1500 price range and has some good stuff in it/
>on it.  Comments?
>
>pq

Fender is making a number of artist-endorsed models, including an
Eric Clapton model Strat.  As I understand it, the EC Strat differs
from the Strat Plus in the shape of the neck and the vibrato assembly
used (and is blocked off in the EC Strat anyway).  I believe the EC 
Strat uses Lace sensors, but I don't know which ones.

-- 
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: daneman@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Michael J. Daneman)
Subject: Where's the Genesis stuff?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:26:08 GMT

I was looking in ftp.nevada.edu and couldn't find any Genesis tabs.
I'm sure someone out there has Genesis music.  So I guess this is a
request for anyone who has Genesis tab to please post it.  I would
really appreciate it.  Late or early Genesis is ok (preferably Abacab
and before but not neccessarily).

Thanks,
-Mike.
From: jwb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.w.bean)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: CORRECTION on Epiphone Serial Number
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:53:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep15.115828.5109@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jwb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.w.bean) writes:
>I need help finding the value of an Epiphone Guitar.  
>It was made in Japan, purchased in appox. 1970 - 1975 sometime
>around then. 
>The number on the back is SN-1016076. It is a solid body with
>pearl frets and light wood grain neck.  It is red/maroon &
>cream in color. 4 volume & tone knobs with 1 toggle switch.
>
>It belongs to a good friend of mine and he is thinking of 
>selling it (maybe to me if the price is right) and I would
>like to give him a fair price for it.  It is in excellent
>condition as it has been played very little. Any help on 
>this matter will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all help
>jwb

The serial number is 1016076 not SN-1016076. Sorry
for the mistake!

jwb
:^{
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: denio@scubed.com (Dennis C. O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Music Block
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:35:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.125605.29702@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cpeckham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Peckham) writes:
> ...[paragraph on creative block excised]...
> Does this happen to you much?  How do you cope?  What do you do?  Are
> you a disciplined creative person or a 'free-spirit', or something
> else?  If you suffer from _music/technique block_, and I'm sure I'm not
> the only one, or you have found a _cure_, then please enlighten us all
> with your experiences and advice!

No "cure" that I've heard about.  In those times when such creative
juices as I have stop flowing, I fall back on rudiments - practice
arpeggios, work on chord voicings, play through tunes from the Real
Book, and so on.  Sometimes the dicipline of working through basics
will allow me to se another side road that I can explore productively
for awhile.

It seems to me that most creative people rest their creativity on a
substrate of discipline and technique.  [A very few have sufficient
talent to proceed without specifically studying technique, but learn
their specific technique via creating.]  Music especially depends
upon certain mechanical skills that can be learned by rote practice.
All IMO, of course.
-- 
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Recomendations for Classical Guitars
From: mtc@iscp.bellcore.com (Ming Chao)
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:21:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bellcore
Keywords: Classical Guitar

Followup-To:iscp.bellcore.com!mtc


Recently there are some good discussions on the net about
classical guitar makers.  I would like to know:

.Which artist normally plays which maker's guitar
(Roussel/Gilbert, Fisk,Isbin/Humphrey, etc.)
.Who are among the best makers today, US, Spanish, Japanese,...
 Their prices, waiting list lengths, sound characteristics
.Where to find guitars from these makers

I heard Sergio Abreu made some excellent guitars, anybody have
experience with his?
From: pquince@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Quince)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:43:32 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

jason@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jason Goldman) writes:

>The key to playing *any* slide is to master
>damping the strings you don't want to hear.

Or, I understand, fretting behind the slide, apparently a 'new' technique.
pq
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Cleaning strings
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:00:11 GMT

The other day a guy told me that he cleans his strings with Isopropal alcohol.
I think that is rubbing alcohol.  He said it takes the grime right off.  It
seemed like a neat idea as long as you don't get it on the paint job.  I wonder
if anyone has heard of this?  It does a good job of cleaning metal tape heads
so maybe it would work.
								B.C.



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"The blues is a low down achein' chill"  Robert Johnson
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Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7872 rec.music.makers:9431
From: bobg@Pacesetter.COM (Robert N. Girard)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers
Subject: Musician's tape deck info wanted
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:04:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA


I'm considering the purchase of a musician's tape deck (i.e., with
built-in half-speed control and pitch adjustment), and am interested
in feedback from other netters on the Ibanez Rock & Play vs. the
Marantz PMD201 Music Study Recorder.  The latter has recording
capability and, I presume, fundamentally better electronics, but is
it worth the $150 difference?  Any comments, pro or con, on either
product, or on any other similar product, would be very much appreciated.


-- 
______________________________________________________________________
Bob Girard                        Pacesetter Systems, Inc., Sylmar, CA
bobg@pacesetter.com                              (818) 362-6822, x2806
_________ "Everybody got to deviate from the norm."  -- Rush _________
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re:Whitesnake
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:48:34 GMT

I believe the guitarist that played on "In The Still Of The Night" and got
sacked was John Sykes not John Scott.
						B.C.


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"The blues is a low down achein' chill"  Robert Johnson
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From: sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu (Mark J. Sarisky)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Favorite Guitars
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:57:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Ok, I'll pitch in.  Favorite guitars, eh?  When the variability from one to
the next even in the same make/model is noticable, this can be a tough list
to make.

1) Hamer SS Prototype - My personal favorite.  A cross between a Gibson Melody
Maker and a Les Paul Jr, circa 1958.  Excellent playability, with the Les Paul
Jr. Neck and the greater body mass of the Melody Maker, 2 single coils and
a humbucker give it a lot of useful sonic variation.  Can even get a 'straty'
sound without the punch of the bolt on neck.  I have one and will soon get a 
spare.

2) 1971 Les Paul Deluxe - Great compromise is sound between the single coil and
the PAF, this guitar features two mini humbuckers.  Good grunge and clean tones
with the feal of a, well what do you expect, Les Paul.  Mine is a tobacco 
sunburst and has some flame to the top.

3) American Standard Strat - Hey, doesn't this just say ROCK AND ROLL.  I have
a black 1983 (Just a Standard, made in the USA.)

4) Hamer Special - The Les Paul TV is reborn in the 90's.  Blues for days with
the feel of the the SS above with more of a vintage tone.  S. Duncan P-90 
replicas that are as good or better than the real thing.  

Mark
sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: re:Slide
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


	Warren Haynes of the Allman Brothers Band uses standard tuning and
plays some amazing stuff.  He finds that he can play minor chords with the
slide which is tough to do in most open tuning.
	For those interested in the roots of slide in the blues, the
July/August issue of Living Blues has a great article that will give you plenty
of artists to check out for slide.
							B.C.


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"The blues is a low down achein' chill"  Robert Johnson
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:03:58 EDT
From: The Cat in the Hat <TXN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: HELP on Naming >>CHORDS<<

6th and 2nd you could call a 13th because the 2nd implies the 9th
and the 6th is four more:  13th.  good shape for that is (low>high)

      x 9 10 10 9 x     <-- actually this doesn't have a 2nd (oops)

this would be a F13 i believe, with the root on the second (B) string.

now for the 9th and 4th, that would be an 11th.  it is not necessary
to indicate absence of the 5th since the 5th is never important in
the chord.  but the flatted 5th would be.  i'd call that combination
a 11b5.  (e.g. G11b5)

Thi
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cmurray@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Christopher John Murray)
Subject: Re: Favorite Guitars
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:15:31 GMT


Hmmm...

     OK, this is one thread to make me bite..

     1..   Shadow EQ-5.  Scaller trem. (the best I've ever seen) and all
		the other equipment is schaller too.  The bridge humbucker
		(EQ-5) is incredible - try one of these out!!!  I prefer
			this guitar to ones that have cost *four tim
		price!!

     2..  2..   Ibanez Artist.  I picked this up for $275 (Ausralian) a few 
		weeks ago.  The neck flows smoothly into the body..the
		two humbuckers really 'honk'.  A very soulful guitar
		but it weighs a ton!  I'd like to know how old it is
		but I'm afraid the answer would scare me..

     3..   Gibson SG.   I love this guitar - the feel and the sound
		all the SG's I've played have played wonderfully
		(except one which was the victim of someones home
		refretting job!) - When I own one of my own this
		may move to number two on my list.  I love the 
		huge bassy response of this guitar. The Artist
		coees closr though for a much smaller cost.

     4..   Valley Arts strat copy.  Nice but..  Something strange
		about it.  I should have loved it but I think it 
		was just too *good*.  Nice way of controlling tone.

     5..   *New* Les Pauls.  Am I alone in liking the new Les Pauls
		better than the old ones??  I've played some vintage
		Les Pauls and I like a well used guitar, but I think
		the new ones play better.

     6..   Any Fender

     7..   Anything below this line I just don't worry about.

				ciao people,
						Chris


Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: rwatkins@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: Looking for some witch boots
Organization: Claremont McKenna College
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:52:42 PST

Ok...

Anyone out there know where I might be able to pick up a pair or witch boots?
You know, those black, leather boots with the neato-pointy toes.  A goth 
friend of mine has a really cool pair, but he traded a friend for them, and 
no-one I talk to can seem to refer me to a place to look, they all got them 
years ago, or got them from someone who got em years ago.  I'm *this* close 
to killing my friend for his pair, so alas, I have turned to the net in 
search of suggestions.

I want to be able to dance in them when I go to clubs, thus I'm not looking 
from a pair with 6" heels, just a pair of nice, black, leather, witch boots.  
If you can help, please email me personally, as I get sporadic access to 
the net here, and I might miss it if ya post it.

Thanx ahead of time.

-------- Ryan
		rwatkins@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
or		Ryan    @ Helter Skelter!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:36:15 EDT
From: <GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: american goth interested in correspondence with european goth chick

greetings and salutations to all! my name is daniel paul-patrick sargent. I liv
e in erie, PA, USA. I am of Scotch-Irish-Native American descent. I like music
by Fields of the Nephilim (which is almost unheard of in the US) and other slig
htly demigodish occultic groups. best friend is former demon familiar "crazy ma
n" bill driver.this is no hokey appeal for companionship. i plan to take a seme
ster abroad program as soon as is financially possible.  i would like to make c
ontacts in europe before i do so i can have an idea as to which country is most
 prepared to recieve my presence.  don't be shy. i'll need the help.

BLESSED BE....

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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:03:54 GMT


there are TWO, count'em two books. the Gothic Rock Black Book
(isbn 0.7119.1546.6) which is amusing, but informationless. and the new one
Gothic Rock, all you ever wanted to know, but were to gormless to ask...)
(isbn 1 873892 01 2) which is much much better...


corey

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From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Clothing
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:19:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei

In article <191djfINN5a3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
> 
> 	So where can one find cool "goth" clothing in the bay area?  Also
> interested in places that would mail order.  I'm especially looking for
> blowsy shirts with lace collars and cuffs.  I've found stuff at Rolo in SF
> on and off but otherwise its a piece here and a piece there, with very little
> consistancy.


You're a goth in the bay area and you haven't shopped on the haight yet?

tsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsktsk.

:)

Try the haight-ashbury district in SF.  Expensive, but good stuff.  

--
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Laura Lemay		                    lemay@sun.com
Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
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From: wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Fields
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:38:57 GMT
Organization: Aston University

Rubicon are the Fields of the Nephilim without Carl McCoy (Vocals). 
They've got a new vocalist and are trying to lose the old image... 
a friend of mine (Who's an obsessive Nephs fan) saw them in London,
apparently some of the stuff is awesoome, and some of it distinctly
mediocre. Oh well... As for what McCoys doing at the moment, your
guess is as good as mine. And for what it's worth, I reckon the
best album is Dawnrazor, the first one. I've got all of them, but I
wouldn't recommend Earth Inferno; perhaps just because I don't like
live albums. I'm surprised they aren't better known in the USA; here
in the UK they were getting dangerously big; rapidly approaching 
Mission/ Sisters levels when they broke up.

-- 
Tim Wright.                   \               Real Life sucks
wrighttj@cs.aston.ac.uk        \                   losers dry.
From: umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (androgyny)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: american goth interested in correspondence with european goth chick
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:52:16 GMT

In <18lcvdINN152@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:


>In a previous article, GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>>e in erie, PA, USA. I am of Scotch-Irish-Native American descent. I like music
>>by Fields of the Nephilim (which is almost unheard of in the US) and other slig
>>htly demigodish occultic groups.

>No kidding, everytime I mention them I get stares and "huh"s, yet everytime I
>play them everyone asks me who they are, etc, etc.  Have Fields of the
>Nephilim every toured, and if so any dates every been in the U.S ?  (expecting
>the answer NO, but it pays to ask anyway)

>-- 
>   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
>  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
>   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso
 
Appologies for the clumsy quoting..
 
	I understand that the name `the fields of the nephelim' is a reference
to the magnetic/spiritual/magical/yahoo fields which emmenated from a race
of giants (the nephilim) which populated the earth before god made man.
 
		.. any confirmations? Who dares open a bible to find out?
 
	- Not me! Ever since.. well, i just don't like bibles.

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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: goth/som zine
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:28:43 GMT

more fiddling with the ego project mailing list.  mail has bounced to the
following people, either because i screwed up adding the address or my
computer doesn't like your computer. :-) or something else entirely beyond
my control. in any case, if you are any of they, or know any of they, please 
send me an alternate address or a corrected one,  thanx. :-)

corey

jeb@unixd1@cis.pitt.edu
201NG@bumeta.bu.edu
parker@mullet.gu.uwa.edu
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz
amason.bilbo.cs.uct.ac.uk
gilhoosg@des.gla.ac.uk
djs6105@ulth.isc.rit.edu
rjb@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk
-- 
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keeper of the Sisters	|  mail me to sign up for the electronic or snailmail  
of Mercy FAQ, DISCOG	|  versions. issue 1 out Aug.2. featuring interviews
and several others...	|  with Andrew Eldritch, Current 93, lotsa goth reviews
From: v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Gothick (NOT SIC) Fiction
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



> 
>Well Chris,

The input on Dracula was apreciated.  But, Gothick, as in Gothick Literature
or Gothick Fiction, was originally spelled with a "k".  Try looking up the 
"Gothick Romances" by Sir Walter Scot and you will see how it was spelled
in the 18th and 19th centuries.  When you talk about literature from this 
period you need a "k".  Sorry.


Next time look BEFORE you flame!
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.034321.27963@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier) writes:
>In article <BuFKCw.J3p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cosgrayt@hopi.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>>OKay, I saw a post here mentioning the Black Book Of Gothic Music. That  
>>made me feel better, because I've spent that last year trying to find the  
>>damn thing and I was starting to think that it wasn't real.
>>So:
>>Anyone that has a copy of it, or knows where to get a copy of it, or wants  
>>to download a copy of it lemme know. I'll pay $$ for it. 
>>Respond on this newsserver or email to:
>>
>>dilts@indiana.edu
>>
>>Chris Dilts
>
>
>Mick Mercer has the "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Gothic Rock But
>Were To Gormless To Ask", if thats what you mean by a black book.
>
>-Chris


According to the cd compilation "Gothic Rock" the 'gormless' book can
be gotten from
   Jungle Post
   62 Chalk Farm Road
   London NW1 8AN
for 9.99 pounds plus 5.50 pounds postage overseas surface R.O.W.

And it looks like you can get a catalog for cd's & such for a SASE or IRC.

jack
--
jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:43:20 CDT

In article <BuFKCw.J3p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cosgrayt@hopi.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>OKay, I saw a post here mentioning the Black Book Of Gothic Music. That  
>made me feel better, because I've spent that last year trying to find the  
>damn thing and I was starting to think that it wasn't real.
>So:
>Anyone that has a copy of it, or knows where to get a copy of it, or wants  
>to download a copy of it lemme know. I'll pay $$ for it. 
>Respond on this newsserver or email to:
>
>dilts@indiana.edu
>
>Chris Dilts


Mick Mercer has the "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Gothic Rock But
Were To Gormless To Ask", if thats what you mean by a black book.

-Chris
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