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From: thssrkr@iitmax.iit.edu (Raghunath K Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Review of a Tabla concert
Keywords: Alla Rakha, Zakir Hussain
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:29:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr14.162855.3714@colorado.edu> parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.061859.5117@nynexst.com> naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik) writes:
>>
>>
>***deleted***
>
>Thanks for a wonderful review. Hope we can see more of these on the
>net.
>
>>SK started off with raag vachaspati, a raaga of the karnatak school 
>deleted. (MaruBihag also uses a shuddha madhyam). Is the Carnatic
>Vachaspati similar?? There is a nice Marathi natyageet in this Raga which

Vachaspathi is one of the Melakarthas (64 - disi) : 
  S R2 G3 M2 P D2 N2 S 
  S N2 D2 P M2 G3 R2 S

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From: sridevan@elec.uq.oz.au (Sri Parameswaran)
Subject: A list of good CDs
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:17:27 GMT

Could someone out there give me a list of good CDs in the carnatic
music scene. I am hoping to start a collection, and would be grateful
if someone out there will oblige.



Thanks
Sri
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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Ramani Concert
Keywords: Flute, Carnatic, Concert
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:46:30 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

rajiv@watson.ibm.com writes:
>                         Padmasri Dr. N. Ramani (flute)
>                          Smt. A. Kanyakumari (violin)
>                        Sri Guruvayur Dorai (mridangam)

If you've got a chance to see this show, do. The party was here in
Madison last Monday, and they were *wonderful*. I wish my western
flute-playing friends had been around for this one. The sweetness
of Ramani's tone would have been a revelation to most of 'em.
--
I am so lonely for the twentieth century,/for the deeply felt, obscene
graffiti/of armed men and the beautiful bridges/that make them so small and
carry them/into the hearts of cities written like words/across nothing,/the
dense void history became in my beautiful century/gtaylor/608-828-3385
From: madhv-s@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sriganesh Madhvanath)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Directions to *today's* Ramani kutcheri at Buffalo ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:40:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo / CEDAR Research Group



Here are the directions to the Heim Middle School Auditorium,
		               ------------------------------
the venue of the Ramani concert today (Apr 10th) at Buffalo :

     I-90 towards Buffalo.
     290 (towards Niagara Falls)
     take Millersport North Exit
     make a right turn onto Maple Road (comes shortly after exiting 290)
     make a left turn onto N. Forest Rd.
     proceed for about 1-2 miles on N. Forest
     at Y-junction, make a right turn onto Heim Road
    School will be on your right (within half a mile)

Concert starts at 7:00 pm.  Hope to see you there!


Sriganesh
-- 
% "SRI_G" Sriganesh M,  Grad student, Dept of CS, SUNY at Buffalo
%		        email: madhv-s@cs.buffalo.edu
%			80 Englewood Ave, Buffalo, NY 14214, (716) 834 0112
From: pjn@mimsy.cs.umd.edu (P. J. Narayanan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Carnatic Music : A brief introduction of its basic concept
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:42:55 GMT
Reply-To: pjn@cs.umd.edu
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
In-reply-to: ssampath@taco.ucdavis.edu's message of 9 Apr 92 07:42:30 GMT


-> the language of the songs in Carnatic music is concerned, the original 
-> compositions are mainly in Sanskrit, Telugu ,or Tamil.The songs are mostly
-                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-	I disagree with this. As far as I have heard, Purandaradasa is 
-supposed to have composed over 4lakh kritis of which only 1 lakh is available.


	It is believed by many that Purandaradasa composed (sang
exporaneously) over a lakh (hunder thousand) songs, but only a few are
available today. I don't know the exact figure, but I will estimate a
few (like 5-6) hundreds as the number available. His compositions are
mostly in Kannada, some in SamskrUtam.

	Similarly, some believe that TyAgarAja wrote 25000 keertanas on
Rama, one for each SLokam in RAmAyaNam. However, only close to a thousand
of his kritis are available today. (Is this figure OK?). He composed mostly
in Telugu, some in SamskrUtam. Among his comtemporaries, Muthuswamy
Deekshitar composed mostly in SamskrUtam and Syama Sastry composed in
Telugu and SamskrUtam. Around the same time, Swati TirunAl was composing
songs mostly in SamskrUtam. He also composed in Telugu, Kannada, Tamizh,
MalayALam, Hindi/Hindustaani, and Urdu. Only a fraction of his songs are
available today. I have no estimate on the number of songs composed by
each of these people.

	Telugu was the language of music until recently. Thus we find
composers like Mysore VasudEvAcaryar and PaTaNam SubrahmaNya Iyer composing
in Telugu, which was not their mother tongue.

	Not to be forgotten is tALapAkkam annamAcArya who possibly has the
largest list of surviving kritis today. I don't know the figures, but will
estimate it to be a couple of thousands. Mainly the text has survived, with
music lost over the four or five hundreds since his time.

	I don't think it is very wrong to say that compositions are
mainly in SamskrUtam, Telugu, or Tamil as Carnatic music is practiced
today. Kannada also could be included to cover 99.99% of all songs
in practice today, and possibly MalayALam to cover 99.9999%! (My
estimates....)


PJN
From: mani@king.Berkeley.EDU (Mani Varadarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Carnatic Music : A brief introduction of its basic concept
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:49:33 GMT
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In-reply-to: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu's message of 8 Apr 1992 21:15:24 -0500



It should also be pointed out that much of Indian music has
also been influenced by the ancient Southern system, where the
raga corresponded to what is known as a `pan'. There are
records of musicians singing songs in various metres and pan-s 
dating to the early years A.D. (and possibly before that).  
In other words, there may be a far greater contribution to 
Indian (especially Carnatic) music from our Southern forebears
than from the Vedas, which are not really musical in true
sense.

Mani
From: thssrkr@iitmax.iit.edu (Raghunath K Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Ranking.  was Re: Musician Among Musicians
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:27:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology

My 2 ps. about the previous header. I don't think it is correct
to rank musicians. It depends on the individual listener. While it is 
possible to comment on whether a musician is good or not, you cannot 
absolutely rank one as the greatest! It's like different algorithms
or estimation techniques. Each optimizes a particular criterion and
is the best in that respect alone.

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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re:Carnatic Music : A brief introduction
Date: 10 Apr 1992 12:23:53 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

     Having read the article in question, Mr.Becker has sent me an e-mail
with some basic questions that a western learner usually asks. I am
posting his mail, as someone among you may give him some pointers.

>Thank you for an interesting post.
  Don't thank me. Thank Dr.L.Subramaniam.

>I was wondering if you could help me to understand this music a little
>better, as I was brought up with only the Western musical traditions.
>Is there some reference book where I could find the 72 Melakartha Ragas
>written out in Western musical notation?  Also, some help on how the
>notes are varied to create new Ragas?
    You may check this in music libraries.  I am sure that some libraries
carry Ravi Shankar's compositions in western musical notation (his Sitar
concertos). 

>Also, your artical did not explain what a Tala(s) was.  Is this some
>sort of rhythmic mode?  Are these also cataloged somewhere?
     A few days ago, I saw an excellent article in this net, giving very
many details on Tala. Please check the last 100 postings in this net.


>Are the quarter-tones part of the Raga, or are they only used as
>ornaments?  Any information on performance practice (how and when
>embellishments are used, etc) would also be helpful.
      I am not a musician to answer your questions. My friends in this net
 may help you.
                                                             - S.Pandian.
                                                          sp2@cec1.wustl.edu

>Thank you.  
>-- Anthony Becker | becker@vela.acs.oakland.edu | Telefon 313/370
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Musician Among Musicians
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:09:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr12.130946.18889
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

Hi,
  I've heard a few classical music enthusiasts dismiss 
Dr BalamuraliKrishna's innovative style of singing as 
perverse and flippant. Does any body have opinions about
this? About L.Subramaniam's style ?

Thanks a lot
Prabhu Balaraman
From: madhv-s@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sriganesh Madhvanath)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: one raga a week is all I seek ...
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:32:45 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo / CEDAR Research Group


Krishna (krisna@cham.cs.wisc.edu) writes
> I would very much like to develop this line  of  thought  and  if
> other  readers  of  RMIC  are  interested,  we  could discuss the
> possible evolution of other Janya ragas, under the umbrella of "a
> raga a week".

Well, whatever are you waiting for ?? :)

sriganesh
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%		        email: madhv-s@cs.buffalo.edu
%			80 Englewood Ave, Buffalo, NY 14214, (716) 834 0112
From: dran@cs.albany.edu (Paliath Narendran)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: `bhAvayAmi' and other scattered remarks
Keywords: Carnatic music
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:25:21 GMT
Organization: The University at Albany, Comp. Sci. Dept.
Originator: dran@panini.albany.edu

Regarding Jayakrishnan's posting on `bhAvayAmi raghurAmam':
The entire kriti was in saveri. Semmangudi made it into a
ragamalika and added the ciTTaswaras. I read somewhere that he
followed the pattern used in Swati Tirunaal's own ragamalikas
`pannagEndra Sayana' and `kamalajAsyahrta ...'

There are some who consider `bhOgeendra SAyinam' to be a kriti of
Irayimman Tampi's, originally in Dhanyasi. (Prof. V.S. Sharma
considers it to be Swati Tirunaal's, in his book on Swati
Tirunaal kritis.) The kriti seems to be patterned after
MArgadarSi Seshayyangar's `SreerangaSAyinam.' (I haven't heard
anyone sing this kriti.)

Poonthaanam's `kanTu kanTangirikkum' is in Malayalam, not in
Tamil. It is part of his famous poem "jnAnappAna."

Balamurali has composed kritis in Tamil. A few that come to mind
off-hand are:

  "Varuga varuga" in Pantuvarali,
  "piRai aNiyum" in Hamsadhavani, and
  "muruga muruga" in Kuntalavarali.

Narendran
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu (SUBU Ramasubramanian)
Subject: Info requested from Cleveland folks
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:40:11 GMT

Info requested from Cleveland folks:


Few of us students are planning to drive down to Cleveland for
N.Ramani,Mandolin's duet concert. (from Purdue)

Can some one give us the exact timings/ ticket details?

Also, would it be possible for us to stay around for the TN Seshagopalan's
 concert next day?

Any info will be appreciated.

Thanks

Subu (ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu)
From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Carnatic Music : A brief introduction of its basic concept
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:05:33 GMT
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology


In Message-ID: <1992Apr9.171316.23649@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> (K. N. Raghavan) :
> I am not so sure that a hundred thousand of Purnadaradasa's songs are 
> available.   My copy of "Purandara Sahitya Darsana" in 4 volumes
> published by the Karnataka Government's Department of Language and
> Culture in 1985 (?) to commemorate his 500th birth anniversary contains
> several hundred songs but the number is well within a thousand.
> ............................---then he did not start composing until his
> 40th year, thus yielding a production rate of 32 songs a day

    To be precise (ahem..), legend has it that Purandara daasa's goal was  
 to compose 500,000 compositions in his lifetime, but when he realized that
 he had completed only 475,000 and that his time had come, he asked his
 youngest son Madhvapati to complete the task; Madhvapati came back in his
 next birth as Vijaya daasa and composed the remaining 25,000. (sadaa enna
 hRdayadalli, hariya nenesida divasa, and other well-known kritis).
 	
     Well, that is the legend. But as in many instances in India, these
 numbers are merely *symbolic* of the magnitude of their achievements and 
 an elaborate auditing excercise would simply miss the spirit of the legend.
 Nevertheless, Purandara daasa's contributions to the systematization and  
 formal instruction of Indian classical music are of course, beyond reproach. 
 And he was, beyond the shadow of a doubt, a prolific composer. His own 
 guru Vyaasaraaya has called his collected works, 'purandarOpanishat'.

   *Sometimes*, not all of the compositions ascribed to these great composers 
 is actually theirs. The practice of lesser mortals slipping in their own 
 creations with more famous "mudrika"s is all too well known in India. 

        That reminds me of a Machiavellian verse composed by the renowned
 and greatly admired Kannada literator - D.V. Gundappa, in his Magnum Opus, 
 "mankutimmana kagga" (Yes, this one's certifiably his own!):

	mankutimmana hesaru binkakke saaladene
	venkanigO kankanigO shankaraaryanigO
	ankitava maaLke janaravarOdidare saaku
	shanke ninagEnihudO mankutimma! 

	A very loose translation : 

	If your name "timma, the dunce" is not glamorous enough for you,
	then attribute your work to a greater soul, such as Venka, Kanka
	or Shankara. It is enough if people read it as such, do not
	hesitate, O timma, the dunce!
----------------------------------------------
 Jayant Naik
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: pravin@usenet.umr.edu (Pravin Sitaram)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Lalgudi Jayaraman's Thillanas
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:29:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla

Hi,

Does anyone have a copy of Lalgudi Jayaraman's Thillanas.  I would like to have
a recording of this.  If anyone does have a copy could you please let me know.
My email address is 

pravin@clciris.chem.umr.edu

Thanks.

Pravin
From: pjn@mimsy.cs.umd.edu (P. J. Narayanan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Lyrics wanted..
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: pjn@cs.umd.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
In-reply-to: sastry@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu's message of 9 Apr 92 22:11:23 GMT


-	Could anyone  mail me the lyrics of 
-
-		Nagumomu kanaleni ...
-
-	Thanks in advance.
-
-	-Sastry
-	(sastry@cse.ogi.edu)


	There is a beautiful book called "The Spiritual Heritage of
Tyagaraja" published by RK Mission, Madras that gives the text in
Devanagari and meanings in English of almost all of Thyagaraja's
keertanams, with nice commentaries provided in the beginning of the
book. I would recommend the book to everyone with some interest in
the saint-composer. The book costs Rs. 50 or 60 if bought in Madras.
I remember reading about a source for it in the USA.

	While we are at it, why don't we compile a list of books on
carnatic composers? We could have a category for books that list their
compositions with meanings/swara notations in various languages,
another for biographies of the composers, yet another for commentaries
on them, etc. Such a list can get into the FAQ list also.

	I will give the sahityam of "Nagumomu" in Abheri anyway.


			       Nagumomu
			       --------

	  rAgam: Abheri				tALam: Adi

Pallavi:

		nagumomu kanalEni nA jAli telisi
		nannu brOva rAdA ?  Sree raghuvarA  nee (nagumomu)

Anupallavi:

		nagarAjadhara needu parivAramella
		Ogi bOdhana cesevAralugarE itilundedarE nee (nagumomu)

CaraNam:

		KhagarAju nee yAnati vini vEga calanETo?
		gaganAniki ilaku bahudUram bani naTo?
		JagamElla paramAtmA, evarito nA moraliTudu?
		vaga cUpaku tAlanu nannelu kOra, tyAgarajanuta nee (nagumomu)


P. S. :-

	I have heard someone (I suspect BAlamuraLeekriShNa) singing
a song starting with "Nagumomu kanaleni" in MadhyamAvati. Does anyone
know the details of that song?

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: Kamlesh Rath <rathk@sharpnose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Hindustani vocal by Jasraj, MAY 16, Indianapolis
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:41:28 -0500

                Fund-Raising Event for
          India Association of Indianapolis


 VOCAL CONCERT   by     pandit Jasraj
                 tabla:        Swapan Chaudri


 Place:    Witherspoon United
           Presbyterian church
           5136 N. Michigan Ave.
           Indianapolis,  IN 46208

Date:     May 16, 1992,  Saturday
          ------

Time:     7:30pm

Admission:  
     Adults:  $10
     students:  $5
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: sumedha@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sonali P Talwalkar)
Subject: ****** Vocal Recital by ARATI ANKALIKAR-TIKEKAR in Milwaukee
Originator: sumedha@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:29:57 GMT

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                     India Music Society, Milwaukee 
                                
                                presents

                              VOCAL recital   

                                    by  

                        A R A T I   A N K A L I K A R     
                        - - - - -   - - - - - - - - -     
                              

                    Date    :  Friday, April 10th, 1992 
                    Time    :  8:00 pm 
                    Place   :  North Shore Presbyterian Church  
                               4048 N. Bartlett Ave.   
                                   
                    Tickets :  General  ... $12 
                               Members  ... $10
                               Students ... $6 
           

             For ticket reservations and more information, 
             please call : Saroj Kulkarni -- (414)351-5619
             or send me e-mail -- sumedha@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                  



"A musical talent seldom seen among artists of her age" was the way Arati 
Ankalikar was described at the time she won the first place award in a national
competition for Indian Classical Music in 1982. Since then, Arati has become 
one of the most sought after artists by the organizers of classical music 
programs and festivals all over India. 

With her fertile imagination, and disciplined and rigorous practice, Arati has
absorbed the richness of the three gharanas (Agra, Jaipur, and Gwalior) of 
singing khayals and has evolved an appealing style of her own. She is also 
impressive in rendering the light classical forms such as bhajan and thumri.             
  
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From: raghavan@mth.msu.edu (K. N. Raghavan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Carnatic Music : A brief introduction of its basic concept
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:13:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <12077@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ssampath@taco.ucdavis.edu (Srikanth Sampath) writes:
>> 								 As far as
>> the language of the songs in Carnatic music is concerned, the original 
>> compositions are mainly in Sanskrit, Telugu ,or Tamil.The songs are mostly
>                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>	I disagree with this. As far as I have heard, Purandaradasa is 
>supposed to have composed over 4 lakh kritis of which only 1 lakh is available.
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am not so sure that a hundred thousand of Purnadaradasa's songs are 
available.   My copy of "Purandara Sahitya Darsana" in 4 volumes
published by the Karnataka Government's Department of Language and
Culture in 1985 (?) to commemorate his 500th birth anniversary contains
several hundred songs but the number is well within a thousand.

As to the legend that Purandaradasa composed 475,000 songs (that is the
number I have heard),  let us try a simple estimation.  Purandaradasa
lived from ~1485 to ~1565 (I am quoting this from memory).  Assuming
that he was productive throughout the ~80 years of his life,  he must
have composed at the whopping rate of 16 songs a day for every day that
he lived (for the number 475,000 to be attained).  Now, if we believe
the famous pawn broker legend---there is no reason why we should believe
one legend and not the other---then he did not start composing until his
40th year, thus yielding a production rate of 32 songs a day.

---Raghavan
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