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From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Re: SURVEY RESULTS hot off the presses
Keywords: survey
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:58:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan13.025851.22206
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1993Jan10.014827.13622@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior) writes:
>I did have a list of those few people who claimed the title of "fishy
>genius."  There were only 4 people who were so bold ;)  I had decided
>not to publish their names anyway, for fear of either swamping them
>with mail about "my guppy has this white stuff" or making them feel
>uncomfortable.
>

I (and I expect many others) would like to know who the fishy geniuses
are.  I think I can already make a very good educated guess anyhow.  
Anyone who has been reading this newsgroup for a while begins to
recognize the names of those people who contributed to teh FAQ and
who consistently post knowledgeable replies to the questions that
get asked.  I guess I just want to know if my estimation of a person's
knowledge about aquaria matches their own estimation.

I'd also like to know who are the people who have been with this newsgroup
since it began.  This is mostly just curiosity, I guess.

I know if it were me, I wouldn't mind having my name revealed.  Perhaps
you could re-consider your decision not to release these names.  Or 
perhaps those it concerns could just step forward and reveal themselves.
(Somehow, that doesn't sound quite the way I meant it.  ;) )

Casey
(Kristin Harvey)
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: Lynda Fincham <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Recommendation on cold water fish
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:04:51 GMT

Larry Bunge <LLB@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>What is wrong with guppies? I have a little 2-1/2 gal I set on a shelf in my
>bathroom with two pairs of guppies and 2 ghost shrimp. The only accompliments
>are gravel to cover the bottom, some hair grass, willow moss and water sprite.
>Oh, and a thermometer stuck in a back corner - the temp stays about 65. (And
>yes it is in a convenient place for viewing while seated - enough said about
>that.)
>
>In the past I set up a 2-1/2 gallon with bumblebee loaches which also made a
>pleasant aquarium (bumblebees are too mean to put with other fish anyway).

I've found that tiger barbs do well in a small, unheated tank. I've had 6
tiger barbs in a 2 1/2 gal since May, they did very well with some Cabomba and
hygrophilia. No filtration system of any sort, cleaned the tank totally every
couple of months due to excessive algae growth. I've always found them too
nippy to put with many of the other fish I keep, I notice they fight amongst
themselves a lot.

They're not inhabiting the 2 1/2 anymore, they've gone to condition a 15gal
for some cichlids I plan to get in the future.

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From: ggawron@comm.mot.com (Glenn Gawron)
Subject: [F] Why do I have only female swordtails
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:03:27 GMT

I've had a 20h community tank with swordtails that keep multiplying.  I've 
been putting the fry in a breeder tank and releasing them as they grow but 
all I've got are FEMALES!!!  I only have one male in the tank now and I'm 
afraid he'll get exhausted with all the females (8 adult + several young).  
Is this normal or can I do something to promote male fry????

Thanks!
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From: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Organi-Cure?????????????
Keywords: copper non-toxic to inverts????????
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:32:12 GMT
Followup-To: poster


	Hi all...

	Does anyone have any experience with 'Organi-Cure' from Aquarium Products of Glen Burnie, Md. 21061.
	The back of the little botle reads:

"			CONTENTS
	COPPER 1.25% and FORMALDEHYDE 17% in a tri-chelated form
		that is safe for invertebrates.                     "
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Now I have been taught that, when talking about reef tanks, copper is evil, how can this product containing copper claim to be safe for invertebrates?
	The directions are as follows...

	"	To control and cure oodinium,tetrahymena, costia, cryptocaryon,
	saltwater ICK, add one drop of ORGANI-CURE per gallon. Repeat in 48 hours
	Use when introducing new fish."

	Is it possible that the dosage of copper is so low that it would not affect the corals etc.
	
	Any one who has used this product in their invert tank??
	thanks for any help at all...
	

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From: pusv1305@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: General info & Discussion
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:06:17 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

     I have been to several CO camps, and was wondering if there is a
comprehensive list of all groups, regulations, locations, and affilliations
(ASA, ect.) As a single male, many groups look on you as an intruder unless you
are introduced by a member.  I have seen groups limit if not exclude single
males?  Responce welcome by news or e-mail.  Dave.
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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Life Modelling
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:51:28 GMT

In article <11JAN199316400611@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, silberman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (NASA) writes:
|> A couple of months ago, There was a discussion of life modelling. 
|> Someone said that he had taken a seminar in life modelling. I don't 
|> remember who. If you are out there, could you please describe the 
|> seminar? For whose of you who have modeled, How did you get into it, 
|> and how did you learn how to model?

That was likely me. The seminar I attended was given by Hugh Kilmer, of
Hoboken NJ, at the Northern Gathering, which was held in August at
Empire Haven, NY.

Hugh goes to the Eastern and Northern Gatherings each year (so far as I
can tell), and has these seminars, usually 2 or so per Gathering. The
precise topic varies. At the sessions I attended, he covered posing
for the model, including moving poses, as well as legalities and treatment
of the model for artists. There were a couple of sessions as well. At this
particular event, most of the artists were photographers, but other events
have had a number of painters.

I believe Hugh also teaches mundanes (read: non nudists), and may be 
connected to a school in NY. He has also written a small book.

I'd be happy to forward any mail to Hugh, if anyone wants to contact
him.

Getting into modelling is very easy. Local art schools and community
centers are desperate for models for their courses. Photography clubs
look for models for glamour and figure work. Both pay reasonably well
(~$15/hr in Ottawa). So far as learning is concerned, the artist will
usually suggest the pose, so 'learning' merely means adopting an open
mind, and willingness to hold an uncomfortable pose (as some are).
Basically, be willing and eager to work for your money.

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Glen Martin  Bell-Northern Research  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  glenm@bnr.ca
"You don't need to be afraid of us, but it just might be your daughter on
our bus." -- 'New Kid on the Block' by BareNaked Ladies
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From: rford@pro-harold.cts.com (Richard Ford)
Subject: Re: Lawsuits (was Re: Excluding Single Males)
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:50:39 PST

I agree with your observations and the general right of people to run their
businesses/lives in the manner in which they choose, however I must also
cite the following points:
1. Discrimination based upon gender, marital status, age and race are all
completely illegal in the United States (I can't speak for Canada).  
As an example of this situation we used to have "singles only" apartment
complexes here in California but they were ruled illegal a few years back
along with "adults only" complexes.  As much as I feel that people have a
right to live in an enviornment of their choosing, it is simply against the
law.
2. Although I know that CO resorts are not mega corporations with huge cash
reserves and that one's welcome would not be the greatest after such a
legal encounter, the idea of a potential lawsuit would probably encourage
the owners of CO resorts to reform their ways.
Just because one is a single male, or female, does not mean that they are
on the prowl.  I have never "drooled" at a resort.  Jurys are in structed
to decide cases based upon the "letter of the law" not their own feelings
(this is the reason so many murders walk free).  Because of this, the issue
of prejudice against naturists would be an almost irrelevant issue.  As for
any persons who cause problems at a resort, they should be thrown out!  But
at least give all persons a chance up front.    
Enough Said

PS Pardon the typos etc. It all goes with a hunt-and-pecker (no pun
intended) scrambling to finish a post before his girlfriend kills him for
making her wait to get out on their date.
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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:46:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1993Jan5.134111.21465@icd.teradyne.com> yaffe@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>In article LGA@apollo.hp.com, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes, in reference
>to article <1992Dec22.015544.23540@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>>  A female writer editorialized against this same "double standard" in the
>>  Sunday New York Times, last fall.
>>
>>  The flaw in her reasoning (and yours) is simple:  The prohibition is
>>  against showing *genitals* onscreen.   When you see female "full frontal
>>  nudity" on HBO, say, all you're seeing is pubic hair.  Nature has 
>>  arranged for the female external genitalia to be modestly hidden by
>>  her pubic hair.  Thus "full frontal nudity" on most women is about as
>>  revealing as a beard (also a kind of "pubic hair") on a man.  But males
>>  enjoy no such modesty when it comes to genitals.  
>>
>>  So there's really no double standard.  Now I've seen the "no genitals"
>>  rule violated on both sexes *occasionally*.  But in general they're quite
>>  consistent about it and if there's any "double standard" in this matter
>>  it's in the way nature made us.
>>
>>
>>---peter
>
>Peter, IMHO, I think you're falling into the Leif Heilberg trap here.  Leif
>is a Naturist/Nudist photographer who always seems to want women to spread
>their legs (and not just "a little"), justifying it with an argument similar
>to yours.
>
>Naturism/Nudism is not about genitals.

  No, but the other person's posting WAS.   She said that there was 
  a double standard in the media about "full frontal nudity" and I
  was pointing out that this is untrue.

           
  BTW, I disagree that nudism is not about genitals.  "NUDE" in
  our culture is defined in terms of exposure of genital areas.  
  On a textile beach you can expose almost any part of your 
  body except those associated with genitals (and breasts on
  some beaches).   A man or woman with the skimpiest bikini
  is not considered "nude".  Remove it and they are "nude".
  Are you saying this is just a coincidence?    


---peter
From: kjk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KEVIN J. KRESS)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Cancun Mexico Vacation
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:47:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello,
     I will be leaving for Cancun Mexico in a few weeks and would like to know
     if there are any CO beaches on the Hotel Zone.  Any information that
     anyone could give me would be greatly apprieciated.  Thanks,
                                                            Kevin
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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: A change of pace, news of the Mirza Ranch
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:10:31 GMT


I'm terribly sorry to add this distraction, but after wading through
almost 60 posts containing that old E theme, I thought I should post 
something.

This weekend my SO and I surveyed my valley.  The prospects of putting
in a lake this summer are good.  I dug test holes, and consistantly I
found that after about 8-10 inches of sandy loam I had several feet of
the nicest clay you could imagine.  Perfect for a lake.  I was unable
to determine how thick the clay layer was, but the deepest hole we dug
went down 3 feet and we still had clay.  This combined with the fact
that the whole area is always marshy, and I have a spring fed stream
means that I think a lake will work.  The Plans for now are to put in
a 120' long, 5-8' high dam (height subject to my finances this
summer).

Surveying the valley bottom shows that a 5' high dam with a 4' water
level would give me roughly 60,000 sq feet of lake, or about an acre
and a half.  An 8' high dam with a 7' water level will give me about
120,000 sq feet, or about 3 acres.  

The dam will be about 400 feet from the road screened by *heavy*
woods.  

What does all this mean?  Well this means that aside from the normal
late spring/early summer mode of general nudity, there will exist
potential for some serious nude recreation!  The Mirza Ranch will also
in some indeterminate period of time be putting in a hot tub at the
cabin (the cabin is being built for visitors so I don't have to put up
with crowds of people in my house :-)

All that's left now is to start clearing the area, and save save save!

More as it happens.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled flamefest and boring
discussions of the E word.
-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Chief of Tranquility  #My Opinions! NotIU's!#Purveyor of
EMT-D         # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#nontraditional
N9ISY (tech)  # Somewhere out on the  # Politicians prefer  #family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants.   #Space For Rent
From: Randy.Scott@njackn.uucp (Randy Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Pornography
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:05:42 GMT


 FWC> P.S. I wonder whether the pornography industry/market is a uniquely
 FWC> American phenomenon, or if other parts of the world 
 FWC> which are more at ease
 FWC> with nudity and human sexuality experience the same phenomenon.  For
 FWC> example, do Europe and Australia have large pornography industries?  I
 FWC> would not expect there to be a market for it in those locations.

I have visited Germany and the Netherlands once before last year and found that there is quite a bit of pornography.  The sex shops are hardly recognizable as so and I many times found myself in one by accident.  Nothing seemed to be covered up and you could buy "books" and such in many bookstores. I didnt do much shopping in any sex shops, so I couldn't tell you what they sold, but i would bet their stock is similar to American companies like "Adam and Eve."


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From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude,soc.men
Subject: Re: Excluding Single Males (Was: Nudist TV segment)
Date: 13 Jan 93 13:41:32 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <ll5o5bINN515@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.130508.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>It bothers me also, and it *is* unfair.  Unfortunately, it is also 
>>realistic. 
>>It's not 
>>even necessary to know why, whether it is genetic or learned, it just 
>>is.
>>but if I am in a situation where I need to predict behavior, don't 
>>know the kids, and only know what sex they appear to be, I will 
>>predict their behavior by sex.
> ---
> 
> 	Yeah -- I know how you feel.  I've seen the same thing with black
> children.  They cause more trouble, and show less respect and in 
> general are just less intelligent.  It bothers me that it should be
> this way, but that's just the way it is.  When I need to predict 
> the behaviour of black children vs. whites, I use my experience.
> I hope they don't take it personally, but it's just a general rule --
> black children cause more problems -- and in my experience they always
> seem to live up to those expectations.
> 
> 	It's a good thing we are a good "prejudge" of people so we can
> predict such behavior and generate our rules from it

hey, weren't we talking about single men? Most of the single men who apply
to join the club I do PR work for are over 30 (many are of retirement age).
It's getting a little off the point to talk about behavioural problems with
youth, unless you follow the spurious assumption that all would-be nudists
get married.

As far as self-fulfilling prophecies about black children ... I'm trying to
contain myself. It seems to me that we "generate" too many rules in the
first place, when common sense and a little dignity might do a better job.

Brent Thomson, Hamilton, NZ
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: General info & Discussion
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:01:00 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

pusv1305@altair.selu.edu writes:
>     I have been to several CO camps, and was wondering if there is a
>comprehensive list of all groups, regulations, locations, and affilliations
>(ASA, ect.) As a single male, many groups look on you as an intruder unless you
>are introduced by a member.  I have seen groups limit if not exclude single
>males?  

You'll find that each and every club or group has its own
standards, its own outlook. Further, these change from time
to time, so such a list might not be too helpful.

The very best method is to contact the desired group directly
and ask them. An alternative is to ask someone here who
is familiar with the group and get an opinion or two.



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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Life Modelling
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:32:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin) says:
>I believe Hugh also teaches mundanes (read: non nudists), and may be 
>connected to a school in NY. He has also written a small book.

From what I understand, Hugh has written two books, "Practical Poses for
Figure Models" and "Modeling for Life Drawing".  I can't locate a copy 
of either book in this area, so I can't say anything about the books.  If
any one knows how to get a copy of both books please let me/us(rec.nude) 
know.

>Getting into modelling is very easy. Local art schools and community
>centers are desperate for models for their courses. Photography clubs
>look for models for glamour and figure work. Both pay reasonably well
>(~$15/hr in Ottawa). So far as learning is concerned, the artist will
>usually suggest the pose, so 'learning' merely means adopting an open
>mind, and willingness to hold an uncomfortable pose (as some are).

This is good to know.  I would like to model for extra money but was
concerned about about how to pose.  If the artist suggests the pose, or
at least a sense of what they are looking for, then it should not be a
problem.  

*Pooh Bare

-- 
Paul Fortman - fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu fortmapl@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu
At tables strewn with artifacts and other data, researchers are working to 
solve puzzles and riddles concerning the strangest and most dangerous creature
in the solar system. A specimen of this creature is now reading this sentence.
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Genital focus (was: Re: Nudist TV segment)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:00:30 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

>In article <C0ozCn.Hr1@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter  
>Nelson) writes:
>>   It's a distinction without a difference.   If someone walks
>>   around with 90% of his body exposed but the 10% that's covered
>>   is his "private parts" he's not nude.   If he walks around with
>>   90% of his body exposed but the 10% that's covered is only his 
>>   forearms he is considered nude.
>
In article <1993Jan12.160911.18480@email.tuwien.ac.at> seppi@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (YASHI) writes:
>     No, he is an exhibitionist.

Nope, sorry.  We've argued about exhibitionism here before and the
arguments get tangled up in legal definitions versus dictionary
definitions versus personal definitions.

If the people above are walking around in an area where being 90%
exposed and the other 10% (her/his forearms) covered is the order of
the day she/he is not an exhibitionist.  Please do not assume that
people who happen to be nude (but have their forearms covered because
of sunburn from wearing a T-shirt while riding a motorcycle all day)
are exhibitionists.  It simply isn't always true.  It is not a tautology.

-- 
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: to Loren from Mark
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:20:23 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


This article came to me with an anonymous request.  I don't know
anything about the group being discussed.  I don't know Loren and
I don't know the alias Mark Allen.  However, if there is a real
Mark Allen out there this ain't from him, this is a fake Mark Allen.
Please respond to the net except for Loren who can contact me and
I'll put you in touch with M.A. (not his real initials) as stated.

(By the way, this does look like it should be email but I am guessing
that somehow email addresses have yet to be shared by these two.)

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Loren,

I tried to call the number listed in the phone book for you, but as you know,
it's unlisted.  The Seattle swims have just recently been moved to the 
Seattle Athletic Club which is among the office buildings just south of 
Northgate Mall.  As far as I know, guests are welcome.  As your guests, you
are vouching for their good character.  If you have any further questions,
leave your phone number or whatever with Tom Middleton and I'll get in touch
with you.

Mark Allen

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