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From: blubaugh@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Dr. Blubaugh)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Step Aerobics and hand weights
Summary: Effectiveness of hand weights???
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:47:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucqais.17
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business


   I've seen some recent discussion of Step Aerobics and the
use of hand weights.  I teach step at our University YMCA and
the Greater Cincy YMCA association strongly discourages the
use of hand weights with step.  Their argument goes along
the line that to get any additional workout you'd have to 
use more than 2 pound weights and the risk of injury isn't
worth it.  What I'd like to hear is who uses weights and
what kind of injuries you've had using weights with step.

Please mail responses and I'll summarize here.

---
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INTERNET: blubaugh@ucqais.uc.edu
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From: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Abominable Abdominals
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:21:02 GMT
Reply-To: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au

In <19920826095247IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
>   OK HERE'S THE DILEMMA.  I DO A REASONABLE  AMOUNT OF ABDOMINAL
>  WORK.  BY NO ONE'S DEFINITION DO I HAVE A "SIX PACK", BUT IF I
> FLEX MY STOMACH THERE IS SOME NOTICABLE DEFINITION.  THE PROBLEM
> IS THAT ALL THE OTHER TIMES WHEN I'M NOT WORKING OUT OR FLEXING
> MY GUT HANGS OUT. I FLEX IT IS OK, I DON'T THEN ITS FLABBY. COULD
> THIS BE LACK OF TONE IN THAT AREA AND IF SO DOES THAT REQUIRE A
> SPECIAL TECHNIQUE OF EXERCISING THE ABDOMINALS?  PLEASE POST
> ME SOME ANSWERS PLEASE OR MAIL ME DIRECTLY.  MY ABS THANK YOU.

I don't know if this is the problem but if you slouch, your abs tend to sag
even if they're well-hard. If stand with a good erect stance with you lower
back contracted and shoulders loose, you abs may well look a lot better.

Just something I've noticed...

tim
--
Tim Mansfield                                         timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au
Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Qld, Australia, 4072           +61 (0)7 365 2956
"Nothing is wrong with the idea that there would be a God...  
		who changes the water." mvs@softway.oz (Mark V. Shaney)
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: DEFEND (QUOTE?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:02:12 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <92246.153625WFP101@psuvm.psu.edu>, WFP101@psuvm.psu.edu (BILL PHILLIPS) writes:
> 
>   Any one ever had any experience with the product called DEFEND which is
> supposed to allow one to pass a urinalysis if they are using anabolic steroids?
> Does this stuff really work?
> 
> ==============================================================================
> ===================================================== Bill (WFP101 @ PSUVM) ==
>  "You spot them on the streets of the city      """  (Penn State University) "
>   and, increasingly, in the malls and parks     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   of the suburbs.  Sometimes they band          """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>   together.  Mostly, they walk alone.  Body-    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   builders.  You know the kind.  They strut     """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>   like no others, holding their elbows wider    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   than their shoulders, legs far apart.  I      """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>   know, I am one of them."
> ==============================================================================

Not to be a jerk...but I think that you should show where you got the above 
quote from.  Don't you think?
From: mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: GOTTA HAVE IT
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:13:14 GMT
Expires: 12 Sep 92 04:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



 ******************************************************************

 Does anybody out there subscribe to Muscle Magazine International?

 I'm looking for issues 121 and 122.  These two issues are suppose.to

 cover the new mass/muscle building supplementt called "Retibol".

 From what I understand it's effects are 75 % .of an anabolic steriod but

 without the .harmful.side affects. Fax me at 301 227-1795....(USA)

 or send them US mail:NSWC Carderock Div,Bethesda Md..20084 attn: M.

 Fuchs
				       Thanks,I owe you one !
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat)
Subject: Re: Self-Image (was Re: General Fitness)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:26:21 GMT


 
> Frankly, I don't think there is anything wrong with improving your
> self-image and self-esteem through exercise and weight training.
> If it works, why knock it? We all have our own private definitions
> of >real< fitness.


Hey, I never knocked exercise and weight-training. I happen to avidly do
both - while teaching others how as well. My question was about male
athletes and eating disorders. Low self-esteem is a major component of
eating disorders, and a common (and largely unacknowledged) disorder is
the so-called "exercise bulimia" in which the athlete exercises fanatically
in order to reduce the guilt of eating. (Traditional bulimics vomit or
take laxatives.) Since all the focus of eating disorders tends to be on
women, I was hoping some people could give me insight into the male
aspect of things. And the "if it works, why knock it?" theory isn't safe
in this case. That's like saying anorexia is great because you lose 
weight. Sorry to go off, but I'm writing a thesis on all of this (can
you tell?) and I'm tired, frustrated and terribly surprised at the ignorance 
on this subject.

-Anne
From: ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:52:14 AEST
Distribution: world
Organization: University Of Queensland

In article <1803icINN8bg@early-bird.think.com>, Paco Ojeda <Paco_Ojeda_Gonzalez@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
> In article <Btwnu4.JL0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup,
> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>>Our university is offering a class called "Step Reebok" which includes
>>20 minutes of "stepping" and 15 minutes of other exercise.  Does anyone
>>know anything about this type of class/ form of exercise?  
> 
> Well, I take step class three times a week and it's a wonderful aerobic
> exercise. I'd be curious to hear from any possible harmful effects to the
> knees or joints.
> 
My gym has recently been trying to discourage people from doing step more than
3 or 4 times a week - particularly if you are doing propulsion work at the
higher levels. The reason they have given is that constant stepping will
eventually lead to knee problems (after many years though). The most at risk
group are females as our bone structure means that we usually step with our
knees turned inwards - it's his motion which can lead to problems.

Provided you concentrate on turning your knees outwards - particularly when
doing v-steps you should have no problems - but check with your gym on their
recommended limits for step anyway.

BTW - I've been stepping for the past year at high levels, with
propulsions/weights and have experienced no problems.

Hope this helps,
Loretta...
From: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Carpal Tunnel and Wrist Curls??
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:24:50 GMT
Reply-To: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au

I've just been thinking about the perils of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (that
injury you get from typing with bad hand position where a tendon swells up
and pinches a nerve and you lose the use of your hand until they operate
and reduce the size of the tendon...).

Could I get CTS from the standard forearm exercises like wrist curls??? Or
is it only small, extremely repetitive motions like typing and piano
playing that cause it? 

tim
--
Tim Mansfield                                         timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au
Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Qld, Australia, 4072           +61 (0)7 365 2956
"Nothing is wrong with the idea that there would be a God...  
		who changes the water." mvs@softway.oz (Mark V. Shaney)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Fat Burner Pills
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 26 AUG 92 10:34:49    


dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes...
> 
>L-carnitine is essentially the "ferry" which transports fatty acids
>across the mitochondrial membrane so that they can be metabolized as
>fuel.  However, most people make all the carnitine they need; there's a small
>number of individuals who have a carnitine deficiency, either because
>of a genetic defect concerning its synthesis or transport, or because
>they have some other disease which causes a deficiency.  These deficiency
>states can be life-threatening.
> 
>Is there any evidence that administering exogenous carnitine
>(that is, swallowing pills or a solution of same) has any
>effect on performance?  I mean other than anecdotal.  And
>speaking anecdotally, do you notice a difference?
>I'd be even more surprised if it assisted in weight loss.

Steve,

The theory I heard (I believe it was from an article by Hatfield),
was that L-Carnitine becomes deficient in many people who are cutting
out saturated fats from their diet, because the most concentrated sources
of dietary L-Carnitine are in those same very fatty meat sources.  So, they 
cut out both the primary source of their dietary fat and the fat transport 
amino acid.  But, then they have lower L-Carnitine levels, and cannot mobilize 
existing body fat as well.

This is credited, if I remember correctly with being the reason why some people
seem to experience increased fat loss benefits from exogenous L-Carnitine
supplementation.  

Please fault any errors to me, since I don't have any direct quotes handy
from the article.  

I felt that the Twinlab L-Carnitine liquid I used a while back had some
benefit, but I didn't experiment with it in isolation long enough to
be positive.  And I tend to respond well to placebos anyway.  :-)

							kind regards, 

							todd
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:14:17 GMT

In article <134645@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
>gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> >silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> >>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
> >>> >
> >My God, Adam!  First you threaten to wrap an olympic bar around my
> >neck and now this!  Roid rage has caused Adam to begin to 
> >EAT HUMAN BEINGS!!  Come to your senses, man!  Human lives are
> >precious, and not to be eaten!  Think what the refs would do if
> >they caught you eating your opponents!  Come back to us, buddy!
>
>I think Adam just wants a chance to armwrestle Jeffrey Dahmer while they're
>cellmates...
>
>	-- Don
>--
> Dr. Donald W. Roberts
>   University of California                                      Physicist
>   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
>   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude

my, what a lofty signature, don.   not bad for someone who is also rumored
to play BINGO!

ZING!

poo




Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Exercise Bulimics
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:43:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.170302.16305@sei.cmu.edu> aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat) writes:
>Come on, people, you know when you feel good about yourself and when you
>don't. I understand that those who enter competitions must be harder on 
>themselves. But when your exercise becomes an obsession and the tiniest
>deviation can ruin your day, there's a problem.
>
>Do you guys understand?

Frankly, I'm not sure what Anne expected.  If she is doing her thesis
on the subject, I'm surprised that she thought she might get comments
about such a private behavior, along the lines of "well, yes, I'm an 
exercise bulemic" or even "yeah, my workout partner has this problem."

I certainly don't go around broadcasting that it's entirely possible
that I'm treading a bit on the "obsessive" side as far as exercise 
goes--I have averaged about 7.5 miles a day walking since January of
this year and have been rowing three mornings a week (on the river)
since the beginning of July.  But then, you didn't ask about women.

While I would not be surprised that this phenomenon existed among men,
I would be very surprised to find out that it afflicted a significant
percentage.  I just (gross generalization--all generalizations are false :-)
think that men have not yet come as far as women have in being "obsessed"
with their own bodies.  And that this is why you are getting a complete
lack of response, because the idea is just so foreign to most of the
readers here.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Martin Katahn's theory (was Re: What's the deal with those... )
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:43:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Aug29.194554.24401@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>	Hmmm... interesting.  This would seem to jibe well with the
>oft-quoted advice that we generally need not count carbohydrate calories,
>and that it is usually sufficient to cut down on fat.

One reason complex carbohydrates help you control weight that you overlooked
is that they naturally occur in foods with plenty of fiber. Since fiber adds
bulk without adding calories, it allows you to feel full before you
exceed your caloric needs.

Also, counting grams of fat and ignoring total calories has one restriction
for those trying to lose weight or control cholesterol. A good part of the
diet must include foods that are full of fiber, again for the same reasons 
as above. If instead you are filling up on non-fat yogurt and delicious
not-fat desserts like ice cream sold by Healthy Choice, you're still going
to exceed your caloric needs because those foods contain no fiber to slow
your appetite. They are "calorie dense," and they will defeat a low-fat
diet, since your liver converts all excess calories to fat.
>
So the rule is that it's OK to eat an unlimited amount of fruits,
vegetables, whole grains, and dried beans, so long as their fiber hasn't
been removed. Foods that have no fiber, including all meats, must be
restricted, if your strategy is to count only grams of fat while
ignoring everything else.

By the way, there is a newsgroup for dieting. It's called rec.food.diet,
or something like that.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Body building story
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:59:25 GMT



A recent artilcle in the Honolulu paper reported on a
Police officer who was given 3 months paid leave due to occupational
injuries.  During that period he trained for 2 bodybuilding
contests. He won the Hawaiian Islands contest, and finished
9th among the Heavies in the South Carolina contest.
The police refuse to give details of his injury.
(So the police dept. has egg on face.)

:-)





--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kris@pitt.WPI.EDU (Kristina Wood)
Subject: Sore muscles
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:53:29 GMT

What does it mean if your muscles are sore?  I mean, *very* sore.

I've heard a number of different stories, such as soreness means that
you've broken down muscle tissue so that they will be stronger next
time, etc, but I'd like to get the facts straight.

I'm usually not sore until a full 24 hours after exercising, either.  Is
it just a problem of me not working out regularly enough or pushing too
hard? (I.E.  My boyfriend goaded me into doing 1000 kicks after not doing
any regular martial arts training for a many months...)

kris@wpi.wpi.edu
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscle by S. Fussell
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:51:16 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <1992Sep4.141339.28738@athena.mit.edu> 
poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:

>actually, he [Fussell-ed.] did go back to lifting, and is not just an
>ordinary looking type...

He indicated in the book that he quit cold turkey. Has he since corrected
that claim?

	-- Don
--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                      Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jdees@nmsu.edu (Jesse Lee Dees)
Subject: CC Ski machines
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: misc.fitness
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:55:06 GMT

There are couple advertised on TV --Easy GLider approx $ 60.00
FIT ONE approx 299.00 dollars, NORDIC TRACK (I think best and most
choice) anywhere from 299-1399.  I own the PRO model made by NORDIC
TRACK.  I love excersise on it.  My suggestion to you is before you
buy any cc ski m/c try to go to mall and use one on disply at Service
Merchandise or Sears (They have ALPINE I think).  Not all people can
get the hand-leg coordination.  I know some people very athletic (two
ladies here) who just could not master it.  Infact I one of them owns
one nordic track and is thinking about selling it.

That's all info I have

Good Luck and Happy sking

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: Fitness thoughts
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:51:37 GMT

In article <21520@optima.cs.arizona.edu> tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu writes:
>Saying "anaerobic" can mislead our thinking a bit: it isn't that we're doing
>without oxygen - usually we're still breathing pretty hard - but that we can't
>get in enough oxygen to carry ALL the reactions to completion; some of them
>may still be going to completion. Several models are possible here:
>
Exactly. Many of them are completing, based on the Astrand estimates I just
posted, of 350W anaerobic, and 1400W aerobic.

>1) the cells have a mechanism for switching off fat-burning (enzymes) as
>the carbohydrate pathways are activated,

The literature suggests lactate inhibits fat release.  There are
contradictory reports.  ATP is required to transport fat into the
mitochondria, and is in short supply, but ATP is also required for the
early steps in anaerobic glycolysis.  Seems to be even there.

>3) all enzymes remain active and compete, but the carbohydrate pathways
>are more efficient or have some other advantage, effectively cutting out
>some or all of the fat conversion

At the moment, this would be my *personal opinion*.  A mechanism was
posted in response to Bud Noren.

>So is there data to tell us what's really happening? Ed....?

Yes and no.
Let me illustrate with a 'typical' VO2max test graphed  in deVries.

This is an 11 min long incremental load cycling test.  The AT is reached
at 7 minutes.  At this point the RQ is ~0.90 and the VO2 ~3.6l/m,
indicating ~33% * 3.6 ~= 1.2 l/m for fat.  6 min in, the RQ was 0.82,
and teh VO2 3.1, for  ~1.8lO2/m for fat burning.  *If* the RQ numbers
are close to 'true' metabolism, then this is clear evidence that fat
burning is diminished.  But VO2max tests have to be short, to avoid
tiring the testee before he reaches his max.  The RQ is an excellent
metric when a given level is sustained for several minutes.  When large
changes in level and RQ occur within a minute, it probably does not
accurately describe the momentary mix of metabolic processes.
Also, the degree of warmup is limited - time is money, and while
necessary, warmups can tire the individual, and they wish to start
near the normal baseline.  So the circulating level of fatty acids
may be low.

Contrast this with Harry's interest, multi hour bike racing.
After several hours of solid exercise, a trained cyclist will be running
very much on fat, have a high blood FFA level, and probably low
muscle glycogen reserves.  When he goes to max power for a finish
sprint,  I wouldn't be at all surprised if his RQ was lower, and fat
metabolism much higher than the graphs in deVries indicate.


-- 
Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
But I make a profit of 3 1/4 cents an egg by selling them for 4 1/4
cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for 7 cents an egg.
Of course, *I* don't make the profit.          Joseph Heller, Catcha 22
From: ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Carb Drinks
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:58:47 GMT
Followup-To: ss8f@virginia.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia
Originator: ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU

Hi,
	I am aware of the fact that it is good to eat some carbs within
	1/2 hour after lifting weights. I usually just eat a banana because
	I don't feel like eating much. Is that enough or should I go for
	some carbohydrate-rich drink? If so, what are some good carb drinks
	out in the market? Any suggestions will be appreciated.

	Thanks,
	Sanjay (ss8f@virginia.edu)
From: sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sandy Bodzin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Recommend a rowing machine?
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:59:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UedGh_m00WB7MEM1tU
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm looking for a good cardiovascular workout which will strenghthen my
back and tone other muscles during the winter  when I find it too cold
to exercise outside.  I've used rowing machines in the past and enjoy
the machines with flywheels.  Can anyone recommend a good rowing machine
for the money.  I'm looking at NordicRow which I find to be a really
nice model but is somewhat pricey (actually, it's downright expensive). 
Any suggestions?  

Thanks,

Sandy
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscle by S. Fussell
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:11:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <SHAFER.92Sep3080709@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On 3 Sep 92 14:05:13 GMT, loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu said:
>
>Rob> In article <1992Sep2.193718.13729@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU writes:
>
>> 	Where can I get that book? At a regular bookstore? Who's the
>> 	publisher? Any info. will be appreciated.
>

Barnes and Noble in Philly has autographed softcover copies of the
book.  I bought mine from Encore Books (no autograph! :-(  ).
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