HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Phasers
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:35:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.215407.22887@rtsg.mot.com>, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes...
>In article <69198@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>|
>|The beam can clearly be seen coming out of the (hand) phaser
>|and moving across space.  
>|I'm
>|sure this is due to faulty special effects rather than other considerations.
> 
>Although I don't have it with me, the original "The Making of Star Trek" 
>discusses this, as I recall.  They explained it simply that when the 
>animators "painted" in the beam from the phasers, they found that making 
>the beam "extend" from the phaser to the target rather than just appear 
>between the two gave a much better feeling of the phaser *shooting* 
>something, so they decided to do it that way.  I seriously doubt whether 
>the person who made that decision (the special effects director) gave 
>much thought to the physics of the matter.
> 
>Another point:   On TOS, the phasers are always held still while firing 
>(in fact, once in a while you can catch the hand moving slightly, and 
>the beam sticking in place :) (and I just loved on the "Kirk's Evil Twin"
>episode when Spock gave a Vulcan neck massage to the evil Kirk, EK twitched
>and accidentally shot his phaser--the beam stayed perfectly still as did
>EK; *then* EK passed out :).  With the greater budget and F/X tech of 
>ILM, are there any examples in TNG of a hand phaser "sweeping" across 
>a target?
> 

It seems like the F/X people experimented alot when they did
TOS.  I remember they used a beam for some shots, and then
a blinding flash in other episodes.  The ship's phasers also
went through a period of change, ranging from the pulsar-like
bolt to the beam.

I also remember the TNG "Arsenal of Freedom?
where the beam came out of the phasers at *slightly* inconsistent
angles.  Hmm, I wonder if it is the same F/X people?

*WOOP* *WOOP* *Response SHIELDS UP*

Just joking... :-)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E. Skoog)
Subject: RE Retrofit Technology
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:31:24 GMT

While we're on the subject of 'outdated technologies'...

STIII:TSFS made the Excelsior out to be the hottest thing since Tribbles.
Isn't it a little less than plausible that such a vaunted vessel would be
downgraded to the several-year task of 'examination of gaseous anomalies'?
Surely Captain Sulu, who is made out in many of the novels (and hinted at
within the movies and series) to be the foremost helmsman in Starfleet at the
time, would be assigned to a (eek!  a Worfism) "worthier task."

I mean, we're not really looking at such a large time gap in terms of movies.
If you want to be technical, STIV:TVH took place in virtually no time at all.
And many wish STV:TFF had virtually never taken place at all.  ;-)

I guess my malcontent comes from taking Sulu's side.  He once voiced, 
"I'm hoping for the Excelsior..." (STIV:TVH)
and once he gets it, he gets to verify that                     

In space, no one can hear you fart.

================================================================================  "You wish to do COMBAT?!?             =            Sven E. Skoog
   You impudent fool!"                  =       ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
			- Miriya	= 	  University of Illinois

			.

 

A

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: RE Retrofit Technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:04:00 GMT

In article <BvMy4E.3vI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E. Skoog) writes...
>While we're on the subject of 'outdated technologies'...
> 
>STIII:TSFS made the Excelsior out to be the hottest thing since Tribbles.
>Isn't it a little less than plausible that such a vaunted vessel would be
>downgraded to the several-year task of 'examination of gaseous anomalies'?
>Surely Captain Sulu, who is made out in many of the novels (and hinted at
>within the movies and series) to be the foremost helmsman in Starfleet at the
>time, would be assigned to a (eek!  a Worfism) "worthier task."
> 
>I mean, we're not really looking at such a large time gap in terms of movies.
>If you want to be technical, STIV:TVH took place in virtually no time at all.
>And many wish STV:TFF had virtually never taken place at all.  ;-)
> 
>I guess my malcontent comes from taking Sulu's side.  He once voiced, 
>"I'm hoping for the Excelsior..." (STIV:TVH)
>and once he gets it, he gets to verify that                     
> 
>In space, no one can hear you fart.
> 

I had not even thought about his current mission until you 
brought it up :)  The question I suppose would be was Sulu in
a unusual quadrant?  ..an unexplored quadrant (Hey, he just 
may have been boldly going...)?  ..having fun out there?

Then again, he didn't seem too much in ahurry to return to
HQ.  :)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: rpascazi@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert R Pascazio)
Subject: Re: Eating within the Holodeck
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:00:34 GMT

>character which slowly derezzes.  In another scene, as a character leaves
>the holodeck, it is derezzed slowly as if the "picture" were fading.
>Using these datapoints, I'll go with the basic-stuff-is-replicated-and-
>complex-stuff-is-replicated-refreshed-and-some-stuff-is-just-holograms
>group of people (the walls are obviously holograms as demonstrated by
>Data in "Encounter at Farpoint" - I claim a faulty program there, for the
>computer should have derezzed the thrown rock and shown a hologram of
>it falling in the program; perhaps the next release was better).


The people and other animated creations in the Holodeck are mock ups of the
real thing. Replicators create fake(polymer/silicon) models of lets say
a human being. To get this to move around, small tractor beams are used to
suspend and animate. It is a very high tech form of marinette.

You also mentioned VR in your last message. Does anybody want to get into
the connection of VR in the Star Trek universe/earth future/past history?

                                        -Rob-

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley)
Subject: Eating within the Holodeck
Keywords: holodeck
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:49:13 GMT


 I don't know if this is a FAQ, but is it possible
 to eat something that appears on the holodeck?
 and if it is, do you feel the sensation of taste,
 and being full after a meal?

 Just wondering,
                   Chengster
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Wrong Subject Line
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:49:11 GMT

Ooops.  The subject line on that last one should have read
"Holodeck Speed & The Wall"
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Starships
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1ahqa9INNinm@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>
>And, of course, the United Federation of Planets wasn't thought up until
>well into TOS.  I think they started out with something like the United
>Earth Federation.

"Tomorrow is Yesterday", Kirk told USAF Captain John Christopher that
they were part of the "United Earth Space Probe Agency".  That was the
only time the term was canonically used... Most "tech fandom" sources
agree that the UESPA was the term for pre-Federation Earth's fleet,
which later became Starfleet after the formation of the UFP.
Personally, I think Kirk deliberately used the old term because
Christopher would be more comfortable with the idea of an earth-centered
fleet.
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: edorn1@cc.swarthmore.edu (edorn1 (Evan Dorn))
Subject: Re: The Bathrooms in the Enterprise (Re: Unanswered S
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:20:16 GMT

At a convention recently-

Doohan gave a solution to the problem that many of the blueprints of the
1701, 1701-a didn't have bathrooms...
They have phasers instead.

Oh, well.  (Yes, I admit to attending a convention..  Saturday Night Live
notwithstanding).

Evan.
(No signature file)



Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:08:31 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks) writes:
>In article <dnrzc=d@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
>>
>>  Hmmmm...I always thought the secondary hull was a 'outer layer' and a
>>literal second hull, to absorb shocks and prevent them from affecting the
>>crew.  So, it sorta looks like this:
>>
>>Crew Lives Here    |  (Hull)   |  (Secondary Hull)       Space
>
>   I kinda hope not.. The last ship that had that hull scheme seemed to have 
>real trouble avoiding icebergs.... :-)

Yes, I see the smilie.

Ships and submarines have for a long time had an inner and an outer
hull, however if I remember correctly, the primary hull is on the
outside and the secondary hull is on the inside.

The TITANIC was the first ship to capitalize on the compartmented hull
design, quite different than the nested hull concept.  The
compartmented hull sectioned the interior volume once lengthwise and
several times transversely.  Watertight doors can isolate these
compartments.  It was, and still is, a sound design.  But RMS TITANIC
did not implement it well.  The bulkheads did not go all the way to
the top of the hull, so that water from a flooding compartment could
spill over into neighboring compartments (much like an ice cube tray).

TITANIC could remain afloat with any two compartments entirely flooded
plus the bow compartment flooded.  However, the iceberg ripped open as
many as seven compartments according to some estimates.  Even though
the design flaw did not factor into the loss of TITANIC, her sister
ship OLYMPIC was drydocked and her bulkheads were extended the full
height of the hull.

The collision of the ANDREA DORIA and the STOCKHOLM would have been
much worse without compartmented hull designs.  STOCKHOLM remained
afloat and returned to port.  ANDREA DORIA remained afloat for several
hours, long enough for the survivors to be rescued.

Okay, this isn't sci.shipbuilding, so what does this have to do with
Star Trek?

Lots, since the ENTERPRISE uses both schemes outlined above.  Sort of.
The Technical Manual describes the hull of the ENTERPRISE as a
laminated skin, incorporating several layers with specific functions.
It is common practice to attach one hull to the outside of the
structural members and another hull to the inside.  I suppose they did
this with the ENTERPRISE as well.

Since the ENTERPRISE has many detachable parts (i.e., the bridge, the
saucer section), it seems reasonable to suppose that the ENTERPRISE is
also compartmented.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | Error non est sed facilitas.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave Palmer)
Subject: Re: Technology Retrofit
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:31:09 GMT
From: z_westmorelb@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Technology Retrofit
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:48:15 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Question of the Day:

	In article <1992Sep30.094815.1275@ccsvaxsfasu.edu>, 
z_westmorelb@ccsvax.sfasu.edu asks, "What would be some of the difficulties 
(or impossibilities for that matter) of trying to retrofit Galaxy Class 
Technology/Equipment to an Excelsior class spaceframe, specifically the Warp 
Drive and the main computer core."

	Well, the biggest problem is that the technologies are several
generations apart.  The Excelsior was developed in Star Trek III, which is
about sixty or seventy years before NG.  While she was refitted with standard
warp engines sometime between then and Star Trek VI, I doubt that the basic
spaceframe changed majorly.
	The Excelsior would probably not have too much trouble with the NG
Enterprise's warp drive, since it is somewhere in between the Transwarp
drive that the Excelsior was originally designed for use with and the warp
drive that she used in Star Trek VI in terms of systems.  However, due to the
size of the NG nacelles, the pylons might have to be redesigned, which would
also affect the aft shuttlebay and would probably require an almost entire
redesign of half of the Excelsior's secondary hull.  Of course, this is
assuming that the warp geometry of the Excelsior's hull is even compatable
with the new engines.  If not, then it would be entirely impossible.
	As for the computer core, the Galaxy class has three, while the
Excelsior, assuming that it is like the movie-era Enterprise in that respect,
has only one.  The Excelsior in all likelihood would not have space for that
many without at total rearrangement of the entire interior of the ship, which
I believe would be useless, since the Excelsior is already pressed for space.
However, the one computer core could probably be upgraded to the NG level
without too much trouble.

	--The Midwesterner
From: JACYK@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Paul Jacyk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: test
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:35:31 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

this is a test
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist)
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 02:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.191928.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>Is there only _one_ main computer on the Enterprise-D?
>
>What is the status of the computer system when the saucer is separated?
>
>

The Enterprise has three computers (two in the saucer and one in the 
Engineering Hull.)




Paul "Joe Friday" Stacy (not net.police)       Buffalo State College, New York
STACY54@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (Buffalo State College VAX)                JUST THE
jfriday@westmark.stanford.edu (Stanford, California UNIX)       "VAX", MA'AM!
Disclaimer:  This isn't the opinion of the school, police, Chief of Detective
             Staff Brown, Planet Spaceball, Starfleet Command, or the Pentagon.
From: uril@yang.earlham.edu (Uri J. Lessing)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: The Bathrooms in the Enterprise (Re: Unanswer
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:18:27 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <NQ4QBRXC@cc.swarthmore.edu>, edorn1@cc.swarthmore.edu (edorn1 (Evan Dorn)) writes:
> At a convention recently-
> 
> Doohan gave a solution to the problem that many of the blueprints of the
> 1701, 1701-a didn't have bathrooms...
> They have phasers instead.
> 
> Oh, well.  (Yes, I admit to attending a convention..  Saturday Night Live
> notwithstanding).
> 
> Evan.
> (No signature file)

An interesting theory Evan.  Yet it falls short in one area.  If a phaser 
is activated on the Enterprise, alarms go off all over the ship. (SEE STAR 
TREK 6)  I can see it now.  Alarms go off and twenty security officers run 
into Scotty's room, and he is holding a phaser standing over...well I'll 
let you use your imagination on that one.
-- 

Uri J. Lessing |  Earlham College |  Richmond, Indiana
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: warp speeds
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:08:22 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Michael Joseph Harris <mh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>have we forgotten that in an episode ( The Traveler,  I think ) in which
>the Enterprise went faster then Warp factor 10 and ended up in another
>galaxy?

Data's line notwithstanding, here's what the Tech Manual has to say
about this:

"(By the way, we estimate that in 'Where No One Has Gone Before' the
Traveler was probably propelling the ENTERPRISE at about Warp
9.9999999996.  Good thing they were in the carpool lane.)"  p. 55,
footnote.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | Error non est sed facilitas.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E. Skoog)
Subject: Re: Retrofit Technology
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:35:42 GMT

Perhaps I didn't mention what should have been a major point here.

Sulu mentions somewhere in the first half hour of *The Undiscovered Country*
that the Excelsior has been on this 'gaseous anomalies' BS for a number of
years now (or it may have been the beginning of a multi-year mission;  flames
welcome if my assumption is incorrect).  

Given this information, I think it unlikely that the "happening to be in the
right quadrant" idea is pertinent... although if nearby an exploding planet
it probably would be a good idea to catalog any non-lethal gaseous anomalies...
:)

But I WAS rather relieved to see Federation shield systems live up to their
warranty... a shockwave of planetary proportions isn't something a starship
might run across on any given day.  And seeing Sulu's agonized expression of
"Shields!" in a hoarse, half-whispered "I just spilled my tea" voice really
made my day.

Now, what is really interesting to the astute viewer (dredge those memory
banks, everybody) is the lengthy dialogues, character identifications, and
interactions shown on STVI:TUC between the crew of the Excelsior.  This
extraneous character-filling material was much more substantial than typical
treatment of regular Star Trek personnel (i.e., other Federation starship
crews, 'redshirts,' etc.).  This could (fingers firmly crossed here) possibly
lead to an interesting film venture/possible subplot involving the good ship
Transwarp.  But who knows?

Or maybe Paramount could make money on a time-travel gimmick resulting in a
fencing match between Picard and Sulu, with the winner going up against
Guinan... ;)

Just a few random thoughts.  I've always seen Hikaru as being the most
potentially definable character of the secondary group anyway (no 'freshly
overhauled computer' characteristics of some half-Vulcans we might know, and
few if any "Dammit Jim" quotes).

===============================================================================
	"Ben!  Don't waste your fire, guys."
	"Is it okay to fire if it's NOT a waste?"
			- Rick Hunter & Max Sterling
			  formerly of Vermillion Squadron
===============================================================================
	Sven E. Skoog					What's a buckyball?
	Dept. Chem Engineering
	University of Illinois
	Urbana-Champaign
	ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
===============================================================================


Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: The Bathrooms in the Enterprise (Re: Unanswered S
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:08:34 GMT

Uri J. Lessing (uril@yang.earlham.edu) wrote:
:In <1992Sep21.114635.13921@hellgate.utah.edu>, jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.e
: du@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
: > yannb@yang.earlham.edu writes:
: > 
: >>		2: Why don't we ever see the bathrooms?
: > 
: > But to answer the question directly, the Enterprise DOES have
: > bathrooms (presumably suited to various sorts of, um, plumbing), and
: > one of the doors on the bridge leads to one, according to the Tech
: > Manual.  We don't ever see them for the same reason we don't ever see
: > MacGyver's bathroom.
: 
: Ok, let us assume that the Enterprise does have a bathroom.  I wonder what 
: is would look like.  After all, a Klingon Urinal would certainly be 
: completly different from a human one.  I can see Worf now!
: 
: "Captain, this urinal is to small for me!!  I warrior doesn't pee in a 
: public restroom!!!" etc.
: 
: You also said that in the Tech manual there is a bathroom connected to the 
: bridge.  Is there a men's room?  Is there a Woman's room?  Does Data ever 
: use the bathroom?  The questions are endless!
: 
Well, I don't know how to tell you this, and it might actually upset you,
though my intent is not to upset anyone, forbid that, but they no longer
use bathrooms on starships in the twenty-fourth century, unless the
transporter is out, for yes, the transporter is used to evacuate all
wastes.

There was initially consternation from companies which made laxatives, and
some commercials were cut short, though tv no longer exists the commercials
remain floating freely in some areas of space.  But eventually everyone
liked it so much that it caught on. 

Most families now have a replicator and a transporter.  It's great.

Really.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Technology Retrofit
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:38:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.094815.1275@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_westmorelb@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
|> Question of the Day:
|> 
|> 	What would be some of the difficulties (or impossibilities for that
|> matter) of trying to retrofit Galaxy Class Technology/Equipment to an 
|> Excelsior class spaceframe, specifically the Warp Drive and the main computer
|> core.  

   Most of the ship is modular to allow such retrofitting, but trying
to retrofit the warp engines wouldn't be worth it - easier to build a
new ship I'd think. The computer cores would be doable though.

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Unanswered STNG questions
Organization: Aston University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:58:39 GMT

jgm@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (John McBride--in my own private Idaho) writes:
: >		2: Why don't we ever see the bathrooms?  Do they have 
: >bathrooms?  Maybe they all take high-tech constipation pills, pills that 
: >last a lifetime.  Do they just go to the holodecks and say, "Computer, 
: >toilet!", and a toilet appears?  Or showers?  Man, they must really stink. 
: >(Worf!! Pweoooweee!)  If there are bathrooms, then where does all the 
: >waste go to?  Powers the ship?
: 
: I heard a rumor in r.a.s (unsubstantiated, of course) that we would see
: or at least hear of (maybe flushing a la Archie Bunker?) a bathroom this year.
: Then again, maybe I am all wet (so to speak).  We just saw a kitchen in
: ST:TUC (The Undiscovered Canon-Machine), so maybe Paramount feels like
: we have had our ration of the mundane aspects of a ship for a while.  
: I guess we will just have to see.

Didn't someone spot a toilet in the section of the primary hull which was
taken by the borg?
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Evans                                   |evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk
+(44) 21 565 1979 (Home)                     |evansmp@cs.aston.ac.uk
+(44) 21 359 6531 x4039 (Office)             |