HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Lovecraft Philosophy (was _Necronomicon_)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:37:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Jul29.061515.15858@ilx018.intel.com> operator@ilx024 (IDC C.E.C Team Ext-5980) writes:
>
>Well - I don't think anything of HPL's was actually published before 1918 - and
>does this mean I have to have the edition which was published then, to do the
>copying from, or if the work is in public domain can I use a more recently
>published copy?
>

	My understanding is that yes, you have to possess an edition
	older than 1918.  Now, if you can demonstrate that the work
	is in the public domain, this would be another story.
	And here is where you need more knowledge than I have about
	coyprights...

>Naty Hoffman
>
>EMAIL: hnaty@iil.intel.com

Roger
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Jumping to conclusions in r.a.b (was Re: Revisited Classics &c.)
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:39:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul24.211445.165@leland.Stanford.EDU> gere@umunhum.stanford.edu (Susan Gere) writes:
>
>C.S. Lewis maintained that he did not *intend* Christian allegory 
>in his Narnia books.

OK, I'll bite.  Can you cite your source(s) for this?  



-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
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From: jimb@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com (Jim Blakey N2MQE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:42:39 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Oceanport NJ

In article <1992Jul23.143341.24734@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
-In article <1992Jul22.132513.29828@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>, jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
-|> >>
-|> >>NOT Isaac!  He's up there raising H*** with someone!
-|> > 
-|> > Ah, a-hem, that would be *down* there.
-|> 
-|> But do atheists _go_ anywhere when they die?
-
-
-Yeah, Cleveland.  Although George Carlin says that he thinks you end up in
-a coin-return slot in Philadelphia.

    Actually, I have this all figgured out. When you die, little white
blinking ascii letters state;

                         G A M E    O V E R
                       Thank  you for playing

                 Please insert one Token to play again.

(if you've done very well, you might even get to enter your initials)

Jim 'but I'm on my last man, and I've used up all my tokens' Blakey


-- 
                       
              Jim Blakey    jimb@tsdiag.ccur.com
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:26:40 GMT


The SubGenius (who I wish would write under a REAL name) writes:

> Interestingly enough (at least from my point of view), I had a discussion
> a while back with a professor of English whose forti was Renaissance in
> general and Shakespeare in particular.  My question to him was why every
> student hoping to get a degree in English had to take a class on
> Shakespeare's works, while no other author is singled out for such
> treatment.  His reply (with a straight face and everything) was,
> "Because Shakespeare is without any possible doubt the greatest writer
> the world has ever produced."  (Or words very much to that effect.)

This seems like a typical reply that hints at the real reason but
does not give it.  Replace "greatest" with "most influential" and we have
a better reason.  Shakespeare's themes run rampant through western literature.

Granted, the knowledge that my poem for Jermy and Francis was in the form
of a Shakespearian sonnet might not add the enjoyment, but a knowledge of
Shakespeare is helpful in reading Huxley or T. S. Eliot, and essential
in understanding some of the works of people like Tom Stoppard.

I'm not surprised that Shakespeare is required.  I am surprised that he
is the only author required.  I know of other schools where courses in
Milton and Chaucer are required of English majors.  Usually, survey
classes in English and American literature are also required, where
certain authors are always read.

When I was twenty, I thought that there should be very few classes that
are required of all students (just a writing class and a logic class).
As I've grown older, I am thankful for the large number of required classes
that I had as an undergraduate, and think that there should be more.

As a mathematics major, I had to learn quite a bit about all of the
major areas of mathematics, and more than a little bit about many
other disciplines (including philosophy, theology, the social sciences,
the hard sciences, history, English and a foreign language).

I find it appalling to think that a literature major could get by without
studying the major figures, or that a philosophy major could get a
degree without having learned a little about all of the major schools
of thought, or that an animal science major could graduate without studying
whatever bullshit they study.

Mark
From: un107375@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: W.Foulsham and Co.
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:58:30 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Hi..

I am repeating this posting since the newsfeed at our site was down and I am
wondering if the msg showed up or not.  

Would someone out there know the address and phone number of W.Foulsham & Co in
New York City ?

Thanks

Balu
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Jumping to conclusions in r.a.b (was Re: Revisited Classics (was Re: Little Men)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:08:20 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.books article, mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) wrote:
>
>There is a curious type of exchange that often pops up in r.a.b.
>A typical example of this exchange just took place:
>
>1.      Marcy Thompson writes:
>                You do have to ignore some of the comments about the poor
>                and the mentally retarded, as they are based on the
>                latest theories of the 1910s. But it's a charming book anyway.
>
>2.      Francis Muir writes:
>                I am curious. How many others share Ms Thompson's view
>                that we are now so much more understanding of the problems
>                of poverty and mental retardation that we can afford to
>                ignore earlier views?
>
>3.      Marcy Thompson explains her point of view and writes:
>                Perhaps you should find out what you are talking about
>                before you accuse me of being arrogant and self-righteous???
>
>4.      Francis Muir responds:
>                This is as absurd an accusation as I have seen
>                in some time. Where do I accuse Ms Thompson of
>                arrogance or self-righteousness? I ask a simple
>                question. How many others share Ms T's views?
>
>
>So, what happened here?
>
>In statement 3, Marcy shows that she can jump to her own conclusion.
>She assumes that the patronizing tone of Francis' question implies
>that he thinks her arrogant and self-righteous.  She might be right,
>but there are other possible reasons why Francis might have assumed
>that tone, and why he might have assumed that she felt that we can
>afford to ignore earlier views.

You are right, and I was wrong. I hereby apologize to Francis for
jumping to the conclusion that he was accusing me of being self-
righteous and arrogant. I will even go so far as to extend an
apology to anyone else who happened to get in my way while I was
jumping to conclusions.

However, in example 4, Francis Muir does *again* impute to me a
view I do not hold, and which (I think, but I could be wrong)
I made clear in posting 3 of the above exchange I do not hold.

The question he asks may be of interest, but I would prefer that it
be phrased "How many people believe that we are now so much 
more understanding of the problems of poverty and mental retardation 
that we can afford to ignore earlier views?" rather than continuing 
to attribute to me an opinion I have publicly disavowed.

Marcy, who should know better than to post in the heat of her first
       reaction, but clearly has had to learn that lesson *again*


-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
From: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Great American Novel
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:51:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Jul29.110303.21292@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <28JUL199222191951@zeus.tamu.edu> spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>
>>Overrated?  Possibly.  _Vineland_, _Crying of Lot 49_ and _Slow Learner_
>>weren't exactly brilliant.
>
>I disagree. VINELAND was exactly brilliant.
>
>
	I don't know. Perhaps it's just my love-affair with _GR_, but
comparatively _Vineland_ was a serious disappointment. It felt like
the archetypal "rebel" novel. Also, it reminded me of another book, by
David Winn (_Gangland_). Does anyone remember this book? Or has anyone
actually read this kitschy work? It's (re/com)plete with a teeming
subculture and a subversive theme...
	I would be curious to know how the net feels about Pynchon's
progression/ growth through his novels. Or the further works of Winn
for that matter! ;-)


Robert West              |Ideas of the Opposite: "Imagine a missile one
 English Department      |hears approaching only |after it explodes.  The
 Purdue University       |reversal! A piece of time neatly snipped out... a
------------------------ |few feet of film run backwards... the blast
westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu |of the rocket, fallen faster than sound--
	        	 |then growing out of it the roar of its own
America Online: 	 |fall, catching up to what's already
   FinnAgain    	 |death and burning . . . a ghost in the sky...
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Revisited Classics (was Re: Little Men)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:06:56 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.books article, yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) wrote:

>One of my favorites which has stood up to re-reading has been DADDY LONG LEGS
>by Jean Webster.  (I like epistolary books anyway, as 84, CHARING CROSS ROAD)
>Sometimes I worry about what I've done to my kids' expectations of women's
>roles in society, considering my favorites usually have "she married well and
>lived happily ever after" endings, like the Anne-of-Green-Gables books, or
>LITTLE WOMEN, etc., but they seem to have come out of the "read to me" stage
>unscathed.

If you liked DADDY LONG LEGS, you'll probably like DEAR ENEMY by the
same author. It even has some of the same characters in it, and is also
written in the epistolary style. You do have to ignore some of the
comments about the poor and the mentally retarded, as they are based
on the latest theories of the 1910s. But it's a charming book anyway.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: The nature of enlightenment
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:20:45 GMT


I wrote:

   I quite agree with Francis about following the dictates of political
   correctness.  However, I also see that in almost every movement, there
   is something positive to be gleaned from it.  In the case of Fascism,
   perhaps the only positive is that it is nice to have the trains run on
   time.  Francis might find Clayton Cramer's use of "Gals" quaint,
   but taken in the context of Clayton's other articles, I find it
   similar to the use of "Boy" when referring to blacks.  I doubt that
   Francis would find this quaint, and doubt that he would reject it even
   though it does follow from the PC line of thinking.

jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:

> It's not clear to me whether Mark Taranto is intentionally calling
> Clayton Cramer.  If not he should realize that a gentleman never
> insults anyone except intentionally.

> If it is intentionally, then it seems to me quite unwarranted.
> Perhaps Taranto would enlighten us on what it takes to be called
> a Fascist these days, and which of Cramer's many posted opinions
> meets the criteria.

I assume John means to ask if I am calling Clayton Cramer a fascist.
No, I am not, nor do I think that he is a fascist.  Fascism was mentioned
to make people think before they questioned my previous statement:

        However, I also see that in almost every movement, there
        is something positive to be gleaned from it.

In my view, Clayton Cramer tends to generalize too quickly, and seems to
have little regard for views that vary from his.  On various occasions,
I have voiced my reactions to things he has said, as I have here.  I
try to restrict my reaction to what was said, and not to the person
who says it.  This includes judging a statement in relation to other
statements a person has made, as I have done above.

I apologize for any confusion caused.

Mark


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From: chimps@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Reply-To: chimps@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.074656.21277@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton) writes:
>In <3ppxykn@rpi.edu> kasprj@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
>
>> Isaac Asimov is not dead. I saw him eating hot dogs with Elvis Presley and 
>>Kibo at a diner in Schenectady, NY.
>
>Jesus, have some respect. It's not "dead," it's metabolically
>challenged. Get with the program.
>
>- Duncan
>
At Disney Land you can get passes that are good any day of your life.
Does that mean Elvis would have a problem using one?

-Jen
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:23:10 GMT

jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:
: 
: > I would not say that he was an atheist. More correctly, he just did not
: > accept any "Devine text" as literal truth. 
: > 
: > Bill
: > 
: 
: However, in his auto-biography, he did refer to himself as a "jewish
: atheist."

Hm. I must have missed it when I read the autobiography. Guess I will
have to re-read it. I will report back in a couple of years, after I
get my library bookcases built, so I can find the books.

Bill
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Ahasuerus
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:21:40 GMT

In article <11459@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>Does anyone remember a short story written some years back, nominally
>sci-fi, about a couple of insurance company investigators trying to
>figure out why medieval and Renaissance Crucifixion masterpieces were
>being stolen?  They finally find out that Ahasuerus is still running
>around, repainting his image in all of them so that he isn't ridiculing
>Christ in the paintings.
>
>It was one of those bizarre sci-fi/fantasy combos that I dislike in
>principle, but frequently like in practice.

AAAAARGH!

I remember the story.

I remeber the author -- it was J.G. Ballard.

But I'll be *damned* if I can recall the story title, or which of Ballard's
many short story collections it can be found in.

Grumble. 


		He's got a mask that's black and white
		  Mine's just black but that's all right
		In silence and cunning he plies his trade
		  I ply mine in silence and shade
		[. . .]
		In the heart of the city it's murder time
		  It ain't no crime to kill a mime
			-- "Killing a Mime" by Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Anyone know this quote?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.224600.11695@Cadence.COM> vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni) writes:
>norbeck@castor.cs.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93) writes:
>>
>>    "There are very few personal problems that can't be solved
>>    with a suitable application of high explosives."
>>
	[summary: what's the original source of this quote NN found in
	a button/sticker catalog?]
>
>    Well it may just be the power of suggestion, but I swear I can
>    remember Avon (from Blake's Seven) saying this line. You might
>    want to ask over in rec.arts.tv.uk...


	There's almost certainly a woman in rec.arts.sf.written who knows
this. Nancy Lebovitz sells a wide range of caaligraphic buttons; her catalog
contains the above quote, among others. I don't know her email address, but
if you post there, she's sure to see and and tell you the source if she know
it, which I should hope she does.



-- 
MUDname: Sidera           "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would
University of Delaware      hate to be giving the wrong impression."
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (evelyn.c.leeper)
Subject: Changes to Holmes Booklist (rec.arts.books)
Expires: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 16:33:12 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:33:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Keywords: monthly
Supersedes: <1992Jun25.192625.19238@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>

Archive-name: books/holmes/diff

Last change:
Thu Jul 23 09:13:06 EDT 1992

Add:
Matsumoto, Kakuko:  Passage to Sherlock Holmes, The

Richards, Frank:  Complete Herlock Sholmes, The

Vaughan, Ralph:  Sherlock Holmes: The Dreaming Detective
	Two short pieces (61 pages total); sequel to Vaughan's
	SHERLOCK HOLMES: THE ADVENTURE OF THE ANCIENT GODS

Evelyn C. Leeper   |   +1 908 957 2070   |   att!mtgzy!ecl or ecl@mtgzy.att.com

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From: daub@hsi.com (Marshall Daub)
Subject: WANTED: Something along the lines of "Pillars of the Earth"
Followup-To: poster
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:35:01 GMT

   I am currently reading "Pillars of the Earth" by Ken Follett and find the 
book fascinating. Can anyone recommend other novels of the same writing style 
and pace, but not necessarily the same subject matter.

   Please respond directly via email. Thank you.

-- 
**************************************************************************
Marshall Daub			{yale, uunet}!hsi!daub  -OR-  daub@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems 	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.
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From: mecca@acsu.buffalo.edu (Starkitty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Gothic, Decadent books...
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:36:47 GMT
Organization: WFFT ub's ONLY student station

Thanks for all the help in finding books... I'm off to the library...

--Renee
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Books by Hunter S. Thompson
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:47:42 GMT


doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes about Hunter S. Thompson:

> I was less impressed with _Fear and loathing: on the
> campaign trail '72_.  It's a collection of articles he wrote
> at the time, while covering the '72 election.  Mostly it was
> kind of dull, with only a few interesting bits... probably
> much like the '72 election itself.    (Warner books, '83)

The '72 election dull?  Are we talking about the election that involved
dirty tricks, George Wallace being shot, Watergate, George McGovern
asking for mayonaise on his corned beef sandwich at a New York deli,
lots of anti-war protests, Kissinger telling us "Peace is at hand" as
the administration prepares to bomb the shit out of Southeast Asia,
and one of the few recent elections where there was a real difference
between the candidates?

That '72 election?

Mark
From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Great Western Novel [Re: Great American Novel]
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:24:32
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Distribution: na
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	<1992Jul21.171402.8280@athena.mit.edu>
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In-reply-to: maverick@cs.berkeley.edu's message of 21 Jul 1992 19:09:15 GMT

In article <14hncrINNs9g@agate.berkeley.edu> maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick) writes:

> The failure of
> the "Jack London Square" urban renewal project on the waterfront and his
> faded reputation are a depressing combination.  (Oakland Chinatown, a few
> blocks up Broadway, is bustling, if not exactly beautiful -- no thanks to
> literature.)

To which I can only recommend another book, _The Death and Life of
Great American Cities_, by Jane Jacobs.  It was written a couple of
decades ago, but her observations about city life are still quite
pertinant.  This is one of those books where every few pages you
think, "yes, this is obvious," and then you realize that you had never
formulated this "obvious" observation before.  (Her method, too, is
obvious---except that it is used far too rarely: observing how people
actually use cities, instead of formulating theories about how they
should use them.)

If Jacobs had been asked, I think she would have been able to explain
very readily just why "Jack London Square" was never a very promising
prospect for lively activity.

I am told that Jacobs is now studied in Urban Planning courses; I
would like to believe that this is true.  
--
Matthew Austern              I dreamt I was being followed by a roving band of
(510) 644-2618               of young Republicans, all wearing the same suit,
matt@physics.berkeley.edu    taunting me and shouting, "Politically correct
austern@theorm.lbl.gov       multiculturist scum!"... They were going to make
austern@lbl.bitnet	     me kiss Jesse Helms's picture when I woke up.
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From: kaehler@zk3.dec.com (Todd Kaehler UEG)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Reply-To: kaehler@zk3.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:21:38 GMT


In article <1992Jul25.132357.6141@pdnfido.fidonet.org>, joeb@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul24.131119.7420@decvax.dec.com> kaehler@zk3.dec.com writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Jul24.075717.104265@zeus.calpoly.edu>, rcasey@zeus.calpoly.edu (Rosalie J Casey) writes:
>>>
>>>	If you had a bet to take, either for a god and go to 
>>>'eternal bliss', or that there is no god and take your chances...
>>>
>>>where would your money be?
>>>------
>>>no sig , to cheep
>>>rcasey@iris.calpoly.edu
>>>
>>Hmm...  Maybe you are right, wouldn't hurt to take up a religion for
>>a little "after life" insurance.  As good a reason as any.  Now, which
>>religion is the best "after life" insurance policy.  So many to pick
>>from...  Hindu, Moslem, Christian, Jewish...  Maybe all...
>
>Thats assuming of course that *a* God can be patronized.  I don't know about
>the other religions you mentioned but in the Christian religion it is God
>who does the choosing.
>
>
Well then the hell with it.  I guess I will stay a agnostic/athiest or
what ever this thread determines I am and hope some god out there
will choose me.  Kind of like pickup ball.  If I get picked first
do I get a better condo in heaven?

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