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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Reggie Lewis (was Re: 2nd Dream Team)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:40:45 GMT

>In article  chrisda@CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen) writes:
>>>
>>>In defense of Lewis, as an off-guard/small forward (mostly off-guard), he
>>>averages 50%+ from the field, scored 20.8ppg, pulled down 4.8rpg, and had
>>>2.3apg.  He also led his team in steals and blocked shots.  When compared
>>>to other players, especially other 2 guards, there are not too many who had
>>>a better season than Lewis.  Jordan, sure.. Drexler, ok...  but after that???
>>>
>>Is he really a tough defender?  Drexler scored on him all day as I recall.  Or
>>was that just one game and Lewis really shuts down Hawkins, Dumars, Petro, MJ,
>>etc when he plays them?
>>And does he really block more shots than Parish?  C'mon...

Well, statistically speaking 'Lewis blocked more shots than Parish'.  But
that is somewhat misleading.  While Lewis blocked 105 and Parish blocked 97,
they forgot to tell you that Parish played ~800 less minutes.

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)                    Bulls in 93!!!!!!!!
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
	"No comment." - Michael Jordan's response to the press after being 
                    selected to the All-Interview team.
From: erick.meunier@cemef.cma.fr
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dream Team vs France exhibition game
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:46:14 GMT
Reply-To: erick.meunier@cemef.cma.fr ()
Organization: Ecole des Mines, Sophia Antipolis - FRANCE


Hi,

> Does anyone have the result for the Dream Team vs France exhibition game ?
>
> Patrick.

The score was USA 111 - France 71. The starters were Jordan, Bird, Magic
Ewing and Barkley. Jordan and Barkley had both 21 pts to led the score for
USA. 

Unfortunately I could have tickets to see the game. The stadium (!)  could
contained only 3000 people and all the tickets were reserved by the members
of the Monaco Club (the club owning the stadium).

I missed that event and I was really sad about that. I wanted to see the
Dream Team play.... Well, I had already seen the Lakers in the McDonald's
of Paris. My next wish is to go to USA next year and hope to see 1 game 
or 2 (especially of the Bulls).

Regards.
Erick.
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  "Whatever happens, I leave it all to chance... "  Freddy Mercury (QUEEN).
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Date: 27 Jul 1992 18:59:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

>	Even the much noted outside shooting is strange.  USA shot over 52%
>	as a team from the 3-pt line.  However, they did get outshot from
>	that distance, 85 to 36.

>	What it boils down to is that the US couldn't win the big one when
>	it counted.  Otherwise, they did rather well, according to the stats.

I also seem to remember that the only bona-fide 3-pt gunner on the '88 team
(Hawkins) missed the USSR game due to a bum knee.  I wonder how much things
would have been different if he had been healthy for that game.

-Bennet
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:36:29 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Jul24.170903.226@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> kgprasan@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Hello There Fella) writes:
>right now and they hope to have a large number of people signing
>up by this weekend.
>I think its a mistake to write off this pay-per-view thing
>based on the figures available right now. But, if NBC does break
>even then its a bad precedent for sports fans.
>Pras. 

Well,ok let's forget about me writing this PPV thing off for a second. Take
the president of Cablevision,Mr. Dolan,who a week and a half before
the start of the TripleCast examined the national sale figures and proclaimed :
"We could lose our shirts". And that's from a guy whose comapny handled
alot of PPV boxing orders over the years in every corner of America.

Also,you can't compare one-night boxing or wrestling or concert or
bikini contests from 15-day-3-channel-12hour blitz. 

My boss signed up for the damn thing. After one weekend,she's already
seeing double. There is only so much TV-staring a human being absorb.
I can hardly absorb NBC's free 161-hour "Dream Olympics". I have already
seen around 10 hours plus I have 2 more hours left to view on my VCR.

-Mark
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:58:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul22.151109.17026@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>Nope. Let's restate it:
>
>B = what ED LOR considers bogus
>C = home jobs that happen everywhere
>
>   "No, I call the types of things YOU consider bogus as just home jobs ...."
>
"the types but not the things themselves...."

>...[].... If I consider Nate Smith bogus, then according to the 
>formula, Nate is just a home job.

   i've always suspected this. from way back, too.    :-)
>
>Even his denials were only that "the 3-ptr was not bogus". And his admission
>I got is "the 3-ptr is a home job". He could only re-define home 
>job as "calls that can go either way" to wimp out.

  but even if you asked him if he thinks the 3-ptr was just a "home job",
  he'll say it wasnt.  he thinks its a good call.  (!)  still you might
  ask him that....
>
>You and he are still trying to argue that "Meeks didn't admit the 3-ptr
>was bogus, nyah, nyah, nyah ...."

  frankly, i'm not sure what meeks is trying to argue absolutely.  i dont
  think its a big deal that you can find fault in his language and assign
  terms to those faults that raise completely different meanings from the
  ones he stated.  these things are all just opinions.  how in the world
  does it make sense to you to argue that his opinion is something different
  than what he says it is??  how in the world....

>.....at least tens of thousands of bytes of net.traffic was about this.
>
>                                          Edward Lor

tens of thousands, thank goodness for the few of us who make up for the
untold multitudes that are at a loss as to what to say.

- nate
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|  let A = bogus jobs against the celtics                       |
|      B = Reggie Lewis getting HACKED mercilessly by Ehlo      |
|      C = referee's swallowed whistle                          |
|                                                               |
|  then, unequivocably,  (B + C) ==> A !!!!!!!                  |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:00:05 GMT

Humor Impaired am I?
Let's test this guy's tolerance for humor...
 
In article <1992Jul28.171411.23075@ichips.intel.com>
harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
 
>In article <16832916A.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
...
>>>themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
>>>that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
>>>importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
>>
>>Yeah just go and rationalize it becuz Charles is so f*ucking cute, right?
>>He's not like one of those scummy Knicks thugs like Ewing, right?
>
>Pistons!?!?  Who mentioned the Pistons?  Why are Detriot fans so damn
>sensitive - *The world does not revolve around you*.
 
Where the Heck are you coming from??????
I never mentioned them! I never said the world revolves around us either!
Man, you got some problems, dude! ;-)
 
>>I learned basketball growing up in a tough east-side neighborhood in Detroit.
>>I'm sure that a few fights may have broken out, but I have no specific
>>recollection of any fighting, which would tell me that fighting wasn't a
>>regular part of it then.
>
>Wow, that's interesting.  I guess the safest place in Detroit is on a
>basketball court.  :-) - for the humor impaired, which it looks like
>most Piston fans are.
 
Oh what a whopper! :-D I'm dyin'!
 
During this years' riot season in Chicago, the safest place to be was
in Detroit. :)
 
--Eric
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:53:55 GMT

>  [Hawkins being only gunner]

	Hersey was the only real outside threat, but check out these 3-pt
	percentages:

	Richmond 1-3 (33.3)
	Charles Smith (G-town)  4-7 (57.1)
	Hawkins 5-7 (71.4)
	Grayer 3-4 (75.0)
	Majerle 6-14 (42.9)

	Great percentages no?  But notice the lack of attempts.  Opponents
	attempted a total of 85 shots, and sank 48.2% of them!!  That's the
	killer there.  While the US was gun-shy, their opponents were heaving
	it up.  Maybe if Hawkins were healthy, he could have countered --
	but the way the stats work out, it doesn't look all that promising.

	Jazzy J

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From: jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.)
Subject: Re: Predictions.....
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: MI
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.204314.16189@leland.Stanford.EDU> waterski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark T. Stacey) writes:
>NBA predictions:
>
>(i) Charlotte Hornets not only qualify for the 1993 NBA playoffs, but upset
>the Boston Celtics to move into the second round.
>
Hmmm.... this would only happen if the Hornets were in the top four in
the East, and then it wouldn't be an upset: I doubt the Celtics can pull
it off this year and question whether they'll even make the playoffs.
As much as I'd like to see the Hornets do that well, I see them more
likely finishing in the middle of the pack, maybe 6th place, and then
upsetting the Nets to move into the second round.

>(ii) Alonzo Mourning surprises everyone by having a better season than the Shaq
>and wins Rookie of the Year.
>
>(iii) Shaq drops to number three in the RotY balloting after Jimmy Jackson 
>leads the Mav's to their best season in years.
>
I agree pretty much, except that I think JJ will be RotY, followed in the
voting by Walt Williams.  I do think AM will finish ahead of Shaq if for
no other reason than that, come November, Shaq still won't be signed
and will most likely miss a few weeks of playing time, which will kill
his chances.

>(iv) NBA Champs....Phoenix Suns.  No big surprise.
>
You mean NBA Western Conference champions.  My pick, before the draft,
was Utah, but then they made that trade ... actually, these two could
be the match-up for the championship.

>(v)  Runners up....Cleveland Cavaliers finally get over the hump with a healthy
>Mark Price and beat da'bulls in the semis.
The Cavs need a fine tuning to "get over the hump", more than just a
healthy Mark Price.  I see them slipping to 4th in the East, where 
they'll solidly defeat the #5 team (maybe Detroit ... maybe not) and
then lose to the Bulls in six (again).

On the other side of the field, the lottery winners next year, in
reverse order, will be: Sacramento (next year's Charlotte), Milwaukee
(ouch), and Washington, who will use the pick to select the NCAA PotY,
Memphis State's Hardaway.

John Coryell.
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:18:07 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <150r2hINNfgo@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>
>Actually, I found it refreshing to hear Barkley say "They are in trouble"
>after listening to Jordan and Malone trying to be diplomatic.
>
>Rick

and i read somewhere( Globe? ) that Angola should get beat by about 60.
imagine trying to cover 60 points - and they did!  114-46.  no wonder
las vegas wont touch pointspreads with a 10-foot Bol.

- nate
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From: mlp@uh.msc.edu (Mark Peterson)
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Keywords: n
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:39:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.190517.8645@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>team with the backup support of Larry Johnson and Rex Chapman will be able
  						   ^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess they are not a playoff team....Chapman was traded to I believe the 
Washington Bullets. (I am not quite sure, but I know he was traded!!!)


   Don't they have J.R. Reid also, or is he with Orlando?



                                              Mark Peterson


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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Team Rosters for Rocky Mountain Review 
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:22:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.180209.7671@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers) writes:

>Heres the rosters.  Typos are guarenteed.

 [...]

>Seattle Supersonics
>
>35  Doug Christie	F/G	6-6	Pepperdine '92
>30  Lucius Davis	F	6'6	Santa Barbara '92

     Hmmm, I take back what I said about not wanting to see all the
rosters and stats.  I'm glad you posted them.  I'm anxious to 
see how Christie and Davis do; Christie of course was the Sonics' 
1st round draft choice.  Unless his knee betrays him, he should 
have little trouble finding a roster spot against the likes of 
Rich King, the departed Bart Kofoed, Marty Conlon, and even maybe 
whathisname Brown.
     Lucius Davis is an intriguing free agent.  UC Santa Barbara teams
are heavily defensively oriented and team oriented, but despite that
they will usually have one standout offensive player with great stats:
Brian Shaw, Eric "Freeze" MacArthur, or this year, Lucius Davis.
He might be one free agent who can crack the roster, I'd like to see
how he does in the summer leagues.
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From: koswatta@andy.bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta)
Subject: Re: Stockton
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.131938.24646@nuscc.nus.sg> med50005@nusunix2.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT) writes:

The best article I have seen in months.  You're absolutely right.
There's nothing to say about Stockton.
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Subject: Dream Team comments
From: <ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 14:46:56 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

As they are far and away the best team in the world, I feel that it
means more to them to finally have the chance to play together and
to Magic than winning the gold. A few comments:

1) Christian Laettner's pro career better be good or else his name
will be no more than just the answer to a trivia question.

2)Seeing Magic, Bird, and Jordan on the same team and the others
showing their talents to the world does more for the NBA than most
of their ad campaigns. Although Magic and Bird are not in their prime
the team is still a sight to see for the average basketball fan.

3) The team is deep to the last man. Imagine what it is like for the other
teams to see the "subs" or B-team consist of Drexler, Mallone, Mullin etc.

4) Even the other athletes are in awe of them. Daly said it was like
traveling with 12 rock stars...While it is good to see them make some
fancy plays and slam dunks for the world, IMHO, they should not do it
too much so that they show up the other team. What Barkeley did was
uncalled for.

5) It is good to see this team play, but getting an NBA All-Star team
together to bring back the gold is overkill to say the least. The
national teams from the other countries were an even match with the
U.S. college teams that were sent before but now they are out of their
league. IMHO, the U.S. lost in '88 because John Thompson did not assemble
the best team. Now that they put together the best team in the world, the
U.S.gets the gold, the NBA gets its publicity, the fans get the Dream
Team but they also get blowouts too which after a while gets a little
boring.

All in all, its great to see these guys together...

Al
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Stockton????
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:41:42 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <8ePfYVe00awQ0BC3VW@andrew.cmu.edu> rl2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ray R. Lieu) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone out there know the scoop on John Stockton's injury???
>
>Is he ready????
>
>He was really, really impressive in the Tournament of the Americas (at
>least the games he played) with his amazing passing, and I hope to see
>more of it!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Thanks,
>-Ray

Yeah, he is at the jogging stage, and has done some shooting and individual
things to get back into shape, but hasn't practiced yet.  Rumor is he will
be ready by Sunday, and will actually start practicing tomorrow.


-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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From: law@law.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Law)
Subject: Dream Team vs France exhibition game
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:47:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.163013.12314@infonode.ingr.com>, law@law.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Law) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone have the result for the Dream Team vs France exhibition game ?
|> 
|> Patrick.
|> 
|> 
|> _________________________________________________________________________________
|> Bloopers are bad, but fun. By Kelly Caldwell Kazek
|> Parents' notes to teachers:
|> "Please excuse Burma. She has been sick and under the doctor."
|> "Please excuse Mary for being absent yesterday. She was in bed with gramps."

I just got my USA TODAY paper.

USA 111 France 71

US was trailing 16-13 at one time.
Half time score: 53-29.

Jordan: 21 pts
Barkley: 21 pts
Johnson: 8 pts, 11 assists
Drexler: 11 pts - 4 dunks, 1 3-ptr.
Mullin: 16 pts
Bird: 2 pts (16 mins)

Patrick.
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From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:45:11 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>So (and this is my theory) if you try to rank the 27 starting centers,
>or center combinations, you run out of quality about halfway through.
>Here's how I see it:

>team		center(s)		grade/comments
>----		---------		--------------
>LA Clippers	Polynice		D  (replaced by PF Smith?)

Hey buddy, the Clips have William Bedford to contend with now.  And
Elmore Spencer, too.  Look out Pacific Division.

Clipperz R00lz!
--

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Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Nitpicking - Re: Boston Bias - Re: cut & paste
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:41:19 GMT

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>   [drivel deleted]

Who wants to put an end to this discussion?

If you answered yes, contribute $1 to the triplecast-for-ed.lor fund
so that he can watch some olympic action instead of posting to the net.

Who wants to collect the money?

>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com

    --mack

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and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:49:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

article #2 PS (post-stop)

In article <1992Jul23.175054.58997@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>The Boston bias shows up again. Why address this article only to me?
>What's a matter Ed, now that more people are coming out against you, you 
>are going to battle them as well...
What's matter, Meek, can't stand the label of biased? more people coming
out against me? who? Jim has been involved in "cut & paste" since early
July. 

And you totally dodged the issue, why somebody only asked me to stop when 
I am not the only one involved in this argument.

>No, it seems that most people think you screwed up and their was no implied
>admission.  
No, it seems that most people (two people) are just on your side defending
the Celtics. And they don't even know what the arguments are.

>And now, instead of "admitting" something, you have wimped out to
>"revealed something that implied admission.".
Yep. And that implied admission is something you can't get away with but to
redefine home jobs again and again, and of course, lie that "Meeks considers
bogus" == "Lor considers bogus".

>Yeah, it only involves people with a different opinion than Ed.  Remember back
>when, Ed..  We did this poll that you were so happy about, because you "led"
>in support 4-3, or something to that nature. Well, you quickly shut up when
>you realized that it quickly turned into something like 9-4 against you.
Well, what poll? Ask Nate, the Celtics were still tied for 2nd in preferential 
treatment, 6 years after their last championship and 5 years after their
last final. What was your 9-4 e-mail support about? were they against me?
or against my stand?

And BTW, do the 9 people you got realize that you ADMITTED that the Celtics
got favoritism at home? only that you speculated that such favoritism happened
everywhere? 

>I guess all 9 of those people, some of which have stated their non-support of
>the Celtics, are just "Celtics fans".  
Yes, then those who consider the Celtics tied for 2nd are all Celtic-bashers..

>Of course, whenever people disagree
>with Ed in our arguments, it is always because they are either Celtics fans
>(which shouldn't matter in this case), or Meeks supporters/Amigos.  
Geez, how many people have been involved with the admission argument? you tell
me.

>Geesh why is it that anyone who disagrees with you is one or the other??  
Because besides Nate, I don't see anybody else is involving in this admission
thread.  So tell me what Nate is.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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