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From: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Hobert, UW on the ropes.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 12:24:10 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov6.063011.29843@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
> 
> KSTW channel 11 (Tacoma, WA) just devoted the first
> 14 minutes of their newscast (*not* the sports segment
> but the regular news portion) to the Hobert incident.
> Include was a recap of the loan details ($50,000 from a 
> golfing partner's father living in Post Falls, ID); interviews
> with students on campus, middle-aged Husky fans in a local
> sports bar; and even a 1-900 call-in poll with the question:
> "Do you think it was wrong for Billy Joe Hobert to accept the
> loan?" :-D    They also said that the NCAA has announced the
> beginning of a full investigation of Hobert and the entire
> UW football program.  If anything else is found, look for some
> major-league sanctions.
> 

	That is really unfortunate.  However, according to CNN,
Hobert has now been suspended from the team and the NCAA would 
not commit any action until UW finishes its own investigation.
I really hope this think does not get out of hand.  Washington 
has just started to start something wonderful and I hope that
it will not be spoiled because of an bad apple.  

	Hobert said that he will turn pro next year if his
last year eligibility were taken away.  

	Thank god that the quarterback position in UW is deep!

- Chung Yang
> Jim
> Go Vikings, Northstars!
> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:27:15 GMT

C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com  writes:
> 
> 
> 
> The Tide should not be calling Miami "over footballed and under educated
> I recall applying to Alabama and all it took was a post card application
> So let us not be talking about educations here because Miami will beat
> the Tide in that as well!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You obviously fall in with the rest of the Miami crowd on not
being able to read.  If you look real close (not that you have
to in order to see it) at my organization, you will see that I
am at the University of Virginia.  We are underfootballed and well
educated.  I still think Miami's academics stink, and probably
always will.  They are the UNLV of college football, and will
get caught red handed one day.  Hmmmmmm......good football
games versus a good education.  YOU!!! can't have it all.

ps. I really loved doing that, thanks for setting yourself up
to be slammed, I think I would enjoy playing volleyball with
you.

Bill.
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From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
	<17354@borg.cs.unc.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:44:59 GMT

In article <17354@borg.cs.unc.edu> morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:


   It may actually be better, bowl-wise, for BYU if Hawaii beats SDSU.
   That puts Hawaii in the Holiday Bowl (will a Big-10 team show up?)
   It leaves BYU alone in second place with Fresno State, who still have
   to play SDSU.  That would probably send them to the Aloha Bowl and a
   possible matchup with Kansas.

It depends on your point of view; since I can't drive to Hawaii, and I never get a chance to
watch football on Christmas, I'd rather see BYU in the Copper or Freedom bowl. Selfish eh?


					Richard
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Question: PAC-10 tie-breaker
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:37:23 GMT

jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>Just a question... NOT about who's going to win or what
>anybody thinks about the race, but just about the tie-breaker
>rules...          
>
>If USC were to beat UA, and WSU were to win its final two games,
>leaving the top three teams as
>
>   UW   9-2
>   WSU  9-2
>   USC  9-2
>
>who would go to the Rose Bowl?  There is no head to head advantage
>here since it would be WSU over UW, UW over USC, and USC over WSU.
>And I think they all would have two losses in their overal records
>as well (although I think USC still has to play ND, don't they?).
>What is the next tie-breaker... point spreads, common opponents?

First off, USC would end up 8-2-1, not 9-2.  Don't forget that nasty
tie with San Diego State. Here are the current standings:

				W  L T Pts  OP   W  L T Pts  OP
Washington                      5  1 0 151  59   8  1 0 238  90
Arizona                         4  1 1 118  66   6  2 1 204  77
Wash. St.                       4  2 0 146 130   7  2 0 261 190
Stanford                        4  2 0 103 106   7  3 0 215 169
USC                             4  2 0 132 108   5  2 1 183 149
Oregon                          3  3 0 121 131   5  4 0 217 174
California                      2  4 0 164 135   4  5 0 251 215
Arizona St                      2  4 0 118 117   4  5 0 200 167
UCLA                            1  5 0  65 154   4  5 0 154 185
Oregon St.                      0  5 1  72 184   1  7 1 147 311

So if UW beats OSU, but loses to WSU; UA loses to USC, USC wins out over
UA, UCLA, and Notre Dame; WSU beats Stanford and UW then the rankings would
look like this:

Washington	6-2-0	9-2-0
Washington St	6-2-0	9-2-0	(1 win over 1-AA Montana)
USC		6-2-0	8-2-1
everybody else...

As you mentioned, nobody wins outright, and nobody wins head to head.  The
next level of tie breaker is out of conference record which gives a win over
a 1-A opponent some number of points, a win over a 1-AA opponent a lesser
number of points, a tie with a 1-A opponent, still less, and a tie vs 1-AA
less points yet.  Since all of Washington's victories were over 1-A opponents,
they have the maximum number of points.  WSU is degraded because of it's
victory over 1-AA Montana, and USC because of it's tie with San Diego St.
Hence UW goes to the Rose Bowl.

If this points system still results in a tie, the next tie-breaker is who
hasn't been to the Rose Bowl in the longest time.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:28:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov12.172813.8646
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov11.015157.18132@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>I still don't understand why everyone thinks Ohio State is so hot for
>Mason.  Remember last time they went shopping... Cooper had experience
>at a big name program, he was coach of the year, he had a Pac-10
>championship, and he had beaten Michigan in the Rose Bowl (that's two
>of Ohio State's top football goals in one game -- beating Michigan and
>playing in the Rose Bowl).  

>Mason has none of those credentials to my knowledge.  Mason's a great
>guy, he's got Ohio roots, and he's a very good coach.  But he's not the
>sort of established Big Name that Ohio State ought to be able to attract.

Mason played and coached for Woody, and coached (rather successfully) for 
Earle Bruce.  In short, he's a "Buckeye", and that always carries a lot of
weight at Ohio State.

When they hired Cooper, Mason had just completed his second year at Kent
State.  While  he was extremely successful at Kent State (especially
considering their history of poor teams), 2 years at a MAC school was not
enough to merit the job.  The fact that he was Earle's offensive
coordinator for 6 seasons was probably a big negative then also, as the
anti-Earle sentiment was strong among Jennings and the trustees.

>I personally think they're better off sticking with Cooper than rolling
>the dice.  But even if they DID decide that, it seems to me that there
>ought to be several other candidates (e.g. Blackney and Mallory) who
>are at least equivalent in their eyes.

Blackney has about the same credentials now as Mason did in 1987.  He's a
good coach, but he hasn't proven himself in a big time program yet like
Mason has.  Mallory is a lot like Earle, and since he hasn't been able to
take Indiana to the next level beyond "decent" I doubt if he'd get much
consideration.

Of course, Cooper probably isn't going anywhere.  The only way I see him
being forced out is if he loses all the rest of the games to finish 7-5.
That's not likely to happen (although another 8-4 is a real possibility).


Dave Elliott
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Traditional Rivalries
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:16:49 GMT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Nov9.231844.20391@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
I previously wrote:

> Yes, this and the turf thing has earned me "Clueless Poster of the
> Week."  Must be spending too much time on work or something...

Given that I brought in the Rice Media Guide to correct my error,
I'll include the Rice vs. Houston trophy, the "Bayou Bucket", 
created in 1974 to symbolize their rivalry by Fred Curry, then 
president of the Houston Touchdown Club.  A bucket was selected as
a trophy (based on the Purdue/Indiana Old Oaken variety).

And the reason for the name??? 

Del Womack: "What is Houston noted for?"

Curry: "Dirty Bayous!  'Bayou Bucket', perfect name!"

Houston leads the series 15-3, with the rematch Nov. 28, at
The Astrodome, and, yes, on *turf*.

--
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:30:51 GMT

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>[...] a 1991 Camaro for about $9K, and used $5K to pay off his 
>wife's Blazer, and $2900 to do the same on a Hyundaihe already owned.  He put
>$1200 toward car insurance, spent about $1K on a semi-automatic pistol and 
>hunting rifle, and returned $2500 to a woman he had lived with briefly during
>his separation with his wife.  

I finally figured it out. U-Dub is trying to join the Big 8.

Don't laugh -- think of the Orange Bowl implications.


--Gidi


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From: atchison@ozma.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: The Big One (Big 10 version) (WAS: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:53:07 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov13085324@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>Didn't they fire Earl Bruce after his best year?

Nope.  He went 11-0 in his first year with Woody's team, and lost the Rose
Bowl (and a MNC) to Charles White and USC.  They were dripping in mediocrity
when they fired Earle (5-4-1).  The Michigan win was after the firing, and
probably would have prevented it (thank God for timing!  :^}  ).

>The statement "If this team gets by Indiana" and "they defenitly (sic)
>have the talent to beat them." are mutually exclusive.  Michigan
>crushed Indiana.  If you're worried about Indiana, I wouldn't even
>bother hoping to beat Michigan.  That Minne-haha game shouldn't give
>you much confidence either.

Ah, the Michiganders.  Too cocky to fear the "Woof Gods" (tm).  

Well, we shall see.  You'd have to go all the way back four years to find an 
"overmatched" OSU team who dominated Michigan for half the game and lost only
on a last minute bomb, wouldn't you.  You'd have to go back two to find an OSU
team who lost the Rose Bowl on a 4th and 1 play and a last-minute Michigan 
field goal.  Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it -- except the
final score, of course!  :^}

The Bucks have won this game before looking a lot worse than they do now.
One year in a row of blowouts does not a pattern make. See you in the 'Shoe!

>-Alan Harder
> 
>These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!

Nah, they're pretty prevalent, but we'll try to cut out some of the
bandwaggoners for you on November 21!

GO BUCKS!!! <insert your own vulgar unprintable verb here> BLUE!!!
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mikek@meaddata.com (Mike Knellinger)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:59:49 GMT
Distribution: mdc,usa,world

In article <Bx7F3G.ox@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
|> News-Software: NN 6.4.16
|> 
|> In <1992Nov2.212204.21786@infonode.ingr.com> ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
|> 
|> | I see it this way, Miami chickens out and plays in the Orange to go 
|> | 12-0, Washington beats Michigan to go 12-0 (assuming that Wash gets by 
|> | Arizona which I doubt, Ariz 24 Wash 21), Bama beats whoever/FSU to go 
|> | 13-0, and Texas A&M beats whoever/FSU to go 13-0.  I say 13-0 is more 
|> | deserving than 12-0.  Talk about a split title!
|> | 
|> 
|>   The way I see it.  Bama or Florida willl chicken out like last year and 
|>   get the Sugar Bowl to invite another  team that maybe a SEC champ could
|>   beat.  Like the #17 it invited last year, that beat the SEC champ.  
|>   
|>   BTW, Miami beat the suds out of the Tide in the 1990 Sugar Bowl.
|>   Alabama coach Bill Curry stated that Bama " Never had control of the 
|>   game, and Miami's got to be # 1."  The next morning, the voters of
|>   the AP/UPI agreed with Curry and made Miami the National Champ.
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Notre Dame "made" Miami National Champs by beating #1 Colorado - remember? :)


|> 
|>            Miami        Bama 
|>   score      33          25
|>   rushing   227          38
|>   passing   250         214
|>   total     477         252
|>   av.gain    6.2        3.5

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From: rszczerb@brannan.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:45:52 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <BxKDzK.Gw5@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>
>It does look like Notre Dame is chicken to play in the Orange Bowl,
>even if the Hurricanes are out of town.  The OBC leaked a rumor to the
>local press on Sunday Night that Notre Dame doesn't want to come to the
>Orange Bowl.   Since the leprechauns always get their way, like last 
>year in the Sugar look for Notre Dame to go to The Fiesta where they
>can hand pick the opponent.

After Miami loses to Syracuse, they'll get their chance to play the
Irish in the Fiesta Bowl ...
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:44:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: Isis.dkm2.721363477
Organization: Mississippi State University

scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:

>Charles L. Spirrison (cls4@ra.msstate.edu) wrote:
>: Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens as Bulldogs take on Bama.  
>: Logic dictates a 'Bama victory - but Jackie's troops play very well when
>: cast as underdogs (esp. at home).  -  My guess:  Offense is the key for

>Think Jackie can castrate an elephant?

I dunno.  I did see him on the practice field today with a chain saw. :-)


-- 
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         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Michigan Arranges Tune-up for Irish
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:29:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.214433.12077@spss.com> mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:

 >Michigan has moved its 1993 against Washington State from Sept 18 to Sept 4.
 >That means that Michigan will now have a tune-up before they meet Notre Dame
 >on Sept 11.

It's only a tuneup if Michigan wins.  Otherwise, it could be like
giving your car a tuneup with a sledge hammer.  Washington State is
definitely NOT a patsy.




-Alan Harder
 Go Blue!
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:19:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxM5GL.Koz
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.142315.22005@cpqhou.compaq.com>, chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes...
#I'm not sure about Bama and Michigan, but Miami DOES play some division II 
#schools, or what is usually referred to as division II on this net (that is
#Division I-AA).  Remember FAMU?

Come off it, Chuck.  Miami hasn't played a present Div. II team since 
Washington & Lee in 1951.  It has faced Tampa as recently as 1974, but I
don't think they are playing football anymore, nor does it seem that games
against Detroit in '64 and Stetson in '52 count since I can't find a 
listing for either of their football programs either.  Just because 
some idiot thinks that Div. I-AA teams are Div. II doesn't make it so,
nor does it mean that the comment you refer to is wrong.  You should also
be aware of the fact that Miami has only faced one Div. I-AA team since 
the split occurred, and that is Florida A&M (three times).  Compare that
to your beloved Florida's games against Furman, Montana State, Indiana
State, and GaSouthern in just the past seven years!  Alabama has only
played UT-Chattanooga in that same period (unless you count then-I-AA
Southwestern Louisiana) and Michigan has faced *none*.  I believe this
all started with some joker lauding USM for not playing ``Div. II'' teams:
ahh, what a short memory--what of Delta State last year?  The only real
Div. II opponent for all these schools mentioned.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
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Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions 11-14
Keywords: NCAA, Computer Predictions
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:38:51 GMT

In <1277@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
>Ohio State   3
>Indiana     27

   Are you serious?  The way the hoosiers have played this season, I don't
even know if they won't get shut out by the buckeyes.  I don't think they've
even scored 27 points in their last 3 games combined. I guess we'll just have
to wait and see though.

David
From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:29:34 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <26890025@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>,
by privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat):

> A Washington fan's impressions of the UW-UA game and the
> ensuing UW/UA/Miami debates I've seen in the last couple of
> days:
> 
> 
> Arizona is an extremely good team that played a great game
> against Washington and deserved to win.  They played their
> game plan to perfection -- play for field position, and be
> patient, waiting for UW to make a mistake.  I was thoroughly
> disappointed that UW lost, and lost their shot at another
> national championship, but I don't feel bad about how they
> lost or who they lost to.
> 
> I do think, however, that if Washington and Arizona played
> each other 10 times, that Washington would win 6 or 7 of
> the matchups.
> 
> I think that Dmitrius's (sp?) argument that the Miami/Arizona game
> was close only because Miami didn't take Arizona seriously
> and "probably didn't even practice for the game" is totally
> bogus (sorry for not quoting directly from his posting, I don't
> feel like going back to find it).  First, Arizona is a damn good
> team, and would give Miami a run for their money even if Miami
> knew they weren't a pushover.  Second, if a team doesn't bother
> to try hard or get up for the "easy" games, that doesn't say
> much about them either.
> 
> Miami, Arizona, and Washington are all damn good teams.  End
> of story.
> 
> Flame as necessary.

No flames here.  At least one Miami player admitted that the
'Canes had been outplayed.  But more importantly, consider
that Joe Paterno, after watching the UA-Miami films, warned
that the game was close because Arizona is such a good team
He predicted that Arizona would be a big problem for PAC-10
opponents.  Smart man.  Too bad there aren't more like him,
especially on r.s.f.c.

> 
> Jim Privat
> jimp@hpwss401.mayfield.hp.com

P.S.  For loud-woofing but otherwise pitifully ignorant posters
to r.s.f.c, Joe Paterno is the head coach of the Penn State
football team.  >:-|

--

Steve Matheson   Program in Neuroscience   University of Arizona
sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
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From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
	<26054@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <s2A=RD_@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:00:04 GMT

	The Dawg only have class for fellow classy fans, but will have
	no class against the classless felines.

Well, UW should have class. $50K can buy a lot of class.
(But not a win)
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
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