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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Will the NBA ever let
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:36:23 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <Iee0Gje00awLMGy0U0@andrew.cmu.edu> dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Reid Helsten) writes:
>
>I would like to take a sort of opinion poll.  Do you think the NBA would
>ever let a team like Utah (the smallest NBA market) win the championship?

 Well now, have you stopped beating your wife? Might as well ask the time
tested no right answer questions. Let's see , now how many ways can I have
it? As many as you?... A Yes or No answer implies the NBA "lets" teams win
championships based on the size of their market. So we're just quibbling
about the league's benevolence.

>I believe the NBA has there own way of controlling the outcome of very
>"costly games.  Say Utah played Cleveland last year in the finals.  The
>NBA would have lost literally millions of dollars in TV and promotions. 
>Consequently both teams lost in very much the same way, and in my
>opinion, some poor reffing.  Is it no coincidence that the the teams in
>the finals, with the exception of Portland, have come from very large
>cities.  

 So your opinon is that if it wasn't for poor officiating, Utah and
Cleveland would have been in the finals? And that it's no coincidence
that, with the exception of Portland, finalists have come from large
cities? So , how does the exception (Portland) fit in to your hypothesis
that the NBA "controls the outcome of costly games"? How many ways can
I have it? The only reason Portland lost in the finals is because they
are a small market franchise? Because the officiating was stacked? But
whenever Portland plays a Utah or a Phoenix it's stacked in their favor?
So I've got excuses when I loose. What about when I win? Utah played
the LA Clippers, wait isn't LA a bigger market. Oh, they must of won
in spite of the officials. Hey, having it any way you want it is pretty
nice. 
 
>Any other opinions, I would love to find out what other people think of this.

 Well talk to Phil Jackson. He accused the league of being in collusion with
the officials to extend the Chicago-New York Eastern Conference Semi-finals
(by letting New York get away with hard fouls) for the purpose of increased
television revenues. He probably likes things both ways as well. Suggest to
him that the officiating was biased against Cleveland in the Eastern Conference
finals and against Portland in the Finals and let me know what he says.

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From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:05:02 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <1992Sep8.212703.29000@news.acns.nwu.edu>, scooter@antarctica.earth.nwu.edu (Scott Relyea) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep8.071824.24014@Csli.Stanford.EDU> orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke) writes:
> >In <92251.145833IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> >
> >>    Here are my opinions on the five best players at each positions.
> >
> >>                     C  1-David Robinson
> >>                        2-Patrick Ewing
> >>                        3-Hakeem Olajuwon
> >>                        4-Shaquile O'Neille
> >>                        5-Brad Daugherty
> >
> I agree with what's been said about Shaq -- he's too young,
> so far inexperienced -- I think you're forgetting one of the
> most consistent centers in the league, albeit one of the 
> oldest:  Robert Parish... He surely bleongs with the likes
> of Ewing, Robinson, and Daugherty...
>    
> -- 
> ||----------------------****-----------------------------||
> ||                       || "Dans ce meilleur des mondes ||
> || Scooter@earth.nwu.edu ||  possibles ... tout est aux  || 
> ||                       ||  mieux." - Voltaire          ||
> 
> 

I agree. He has been one of the top people in field goal % for
several years and has out-played many of the people on this list
on several occassions, despite his age. Admittedly, Shaq has the
tools, but until he actually gets some NBA playing time he doesn't belong
on the list. I cannot count the number of "sure things" that have been
major busts over the years in professional
sports (Brian Bozoworth, Tony Mandarich, (basketball examples escape me at the
moment)....).

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: bulls draft info?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:48:08 GMT
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: guest@sili's message of 13 Sep 92 18:10:16 GMT

In article <guest.716407816@sili.isgs.uiuc.edu> guest@sili (Rockin' Robyn) writes:

   Can someone send me detailed info on the Bulls draft picks this
   year?  Houston I know a bit about but who is the #2 pick they
   signed to a multi-year contract and will anyone else from the draft   
   stick?  Thanks in advance!
---------------------------------------------------------------------

#33 Corey Williams  G 6-2 190 11.2 ppg Ok St
#39 Litterial Green G 6-1 185 19.5 ppg Ga
#52 Matt Steigenga SF 6-7 220 ?        Mich St

Don't know who'll stick.  The PG pos. is really hard to get a fix on.
Can't see Houston and Steigenga both making it.  Wish the Bullets had
Houston though.  For a different team, I think he could do something.
Wayne.
From: elvis@swim2birds.Eng.Sun.COM (The Rev. Nashua Pequod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Kevin McHale
Date: 16 Sep 1992 00:58:33 GMT
Organization: Neutered Men's Hair Club
NNTP-Posting-Host: swim2birds
Summary: Herman Munster, Where Are You?


I was pleased to see Larry Bird, at his retirement announcement, say a
few kind words about Kevin McHale.  Bird's coolness to McHale is well-
known, but he did say "I always thought he should have gotten an MVP."
A lot of people, remembering '86-87, would agree.  For example, see Bob
Ryan's article "Better Than Bird" in the June [?] 1987 Playboy.  And
Ryan's probably Bird's biggest myth-mongerer.

Kevin M. has been my favorite NBA player for a long while now.  And why
not?

o       He's always been one of the most community-oriented Celtics,
one guy you could depend on to take time out for a charity or make a
visit to a local hospital.  (Of course, with his injuries, he probably
only had to walk down the hall.)

o       I think he (and Parish) have been underappreciated by Celtic
fans.  For example, the brass forgot him entirely when he passed the
15,000-pt. milestone.  But he's been very agreeable in his
second-banana role, and no problem at contract time.

o       He's one of the best low-post men, if not THE best, ever.

o       He's from Hibbing, Minnesota, along with Bob Dylan, Gus Hall
(Prez of the US Communist Party), hockey players Neil Broten and John
Hayduke, Bill Barry of REM, and others too pointless to mention.

o	He's been on "Cheers" twice.

In fact, he ad-libbed a line.  Sam the bartender shows McHale
an X-ray of a badly damaged ankle, thinking the X-ray is of McHale.

"Is this yours?"  Sam asks.

McHale takes it.  "Nope," he says, reading it.  "Hmmmm.  'Adult
Male Gorilla'.  Must be Lambieer."

o       With a nod to Chas. Barkeley, McHale's one of the funniest men
in the NBA.  Here's an excerpt from "Unfinished Business" by Jack
McCallum:

	The following day, McHale's attention was fixed upon a sign in
	the Jewish Community Center in Phoenix, the Celtics' final road
	stop on the trip.  It said:  NO HANGING ON RIMS.

	"Hey, Mike," he called to [reporter] Mike Fine, who is Jewish.
	"See what you make of this sign."  Fine read it.  "Now, Mike,
	is this a big problem?"  McHale asked.  "Somehow I think
	The Springing Jew is somewhat of a dying breed, don't you? 
	Can't you hear them out there saying, 'Oy vey, how that boy can
	*jump*!'"

Oh well, it tickled my Semitic funnybone.


Anyway, I'm glad to see Kevin got a little positive press.

--Mateo


P.S.  Thanks to netters who filled me in about X. McDaniel.

P.P.S.  I liked Barkley's line at the Olympics.  Taking leave of a
group of reporters, he said, "Well, boys, gotta go.  Time to go open
that can of Whip Ass we bought."
From: brawn@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Andy Brawn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley (w/ Spoiler)
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:22:55 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <dfHd02Qa210F01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>[summary of apparenlty boring Mound and Godzilla faceoff deleted]
>
>What was this a commercial for?
>
>Michael Wong
>msw10@amdahl.com

Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream 
--Andy Brawn
  Go Bulls!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: bender@riscee.pko.dec.com (Patricia Bender)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Keywords: Oh no, here we go again! 
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:55:11 GMT

I just have one word to say: Isaiah Thomas!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Ya'll know that he is just the most awesome
point guard EVER to exist.  And he won those rings all by himself, he did!  Why those young turds that
call themselves point guards don't even hold a candle to the Zeke man.  And don't even mentio Mister
Majic I'm retired, No I'm Not, Yes I Am, No I'm Not Johnson.  Isaiah proved that he was the master when
he walluped him in the playoffs!!!!!  What are ya, knew to the newsgroup, ya ingnorant biased
Chicago/Golden State/Cleveland/Pheonix/Jazz(no wait, they don't have any fans) loving newbies.  If ya had
any knowledge about basketball at all you'd know that the stats _PROVE_ that Zeke is the best point
guard!!!!  In fact, these facts have been posted numerous times in rec.sport.basketball.pro and
rec.sport.basketball.  Betcha didn't even no that r.s.b. used to be THE basketball group until us NBAers
got sick of hearing all the rantings of those boring (yawn!!) college fanaticks.  I have a prediction for
ya: Isaiah leads the Pistons to the championship and wins the MVP because he is the best there is.  And
don't even think of talkin to me about Airhead I'm Rich So I'll Do Whatever I Want No Matter Who It
Pisses Off Jordan!!!!!

Zeke R00lz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


patricia

"That there is a joke, son."  Foghorn Leghorn

Don't ya just love those notes that wrap around?  

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From: hiew@cs.uwa.oz.au (HIEW Hong Liang)
Subject: Re: WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, PERTH TO HOST '94 WORLD TITLES
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:25:37 GMT

In <191mq8INNebu@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:

>The tournament is set to be played at the Burswood Resort Casino (Hotel)
>at the 35,000 seat Burswood Superdome. The Hotel should adequaltely
>house all the competitors, plus the world class resort has the largest
>Casino in the Southern Hemisphere. Burswood being located adjacent to
>Perth's CBD.

Get real, pal !

The Burswood Superdome in Perth, used as a BASKETBALL stadium, has only a
capacity of 8500 seats (source: the Burswood Management). As a concert
hall, it could have about 20,000 seats. No way is it gonna fit 35,000.

And I don't know about the Southern Hemisphere, but in Australia alone,
Jupiter's Casino in Brisbane has got to be bigger.

Where are you getting your information from? Are you on Perth's bidding
committee?

hiew.
From: hhg1@gte.com (Hal German)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Knicks Management!!!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:39:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: GTE Labs

In article <1992Sep11.140507.3840@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote:
> 
> I've fallen and can't get up!!! ----> knicks Management last night!!!!
> 
This is the 2nd time this has happened. Knicks didn't re-sign Paul Silas
as asst coach -- the man who taught Ewing finally how to box out
> how can you let the heart and motivator of the team go!!
X never fit in NY the way Riley wanted. He had a couple of brilliant games
and was offensively quiet most nights (4-10 points). 
> Can any knick fan tell me that!!
> see ya,
> "true knicks fan"
> 
True Knicks fan live in Boston..
> --> I mean who else will be beating the next players after they score!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: art30248@nusunix3.nus.sg (NG LING LING)
Subject: Re: John Salley -> Miami Heat
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:56:54 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
: I so sorry to interrupt all the nice threads going on this summer,
: but Detroit Pistons forward John Salley has been traded to the Miami Heat
: for rookie forward Isaiah Morris (Arkansas) and a first round pick in '93
: (unless Miami gets a top-5 pick, in which case Detroit will get a 2nd-round
: pick in '93 and a 1st-round pick in '94).
:  
: In other Pistons news, Dennis Rodman has *still* not announced his retirement
: despite what you may have read in r.s.b.pro many months ago.
:
humdinger...now the Heat will really come close to .500 with a legit
power-forward. Seikaly can rebound and play post O and D but
shot-blocker ? Whooo! Now with Salley they can intimidate some teams and
even get up-tempo.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Gugs signing with Bullets
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:33:51 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <M1WCC00.92Sep10150551@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>Personally, I can't see letting Eackles go.  No "D" whatsoever, but on a
>hot night, could light it up like you wouldn't believe.  Major, major
>underachiever.  Makes me want to get sick.
>Wayne.
> 


I don't get it, you admit he plays no D and is a major, major underachiever
yet you can't see them letting him go? Do you mean you don't want them
to let him go, or that you don't think they will let him go?

Guys like Eackles stay in the league because people in charge seem to
lack common sense. Yes Ledell can put 20 points on the board in a hurry
on a good night, but more often than not he'll shoot you out of the game,
and he plays no defense and won't pass. Maybe getting released by the 
Bullets would do him some good, give him a wakeup call.

Its as if GM's think if they release a guy like Eackle's they'll lose 
his ppg. as if the guy(s) who replace him will never score a single point.
Replace Ledell with a player like Rod Higgins and you'll be a better team,
even though Ledell will outscore Higgins.



Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"I'm pacing myself sir"
                          Bill Murray in Stripes
********************************************************************************




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From: kompella@pa.dec.com (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Subject: Re: Knicks get Tony Campbell
Organization: DEC Western Research Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 04:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.120816.5103@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>I'm not sold that Campbell is an improvement over X at all.  Granted the 
>Knicks need scoring more than rebounds (who the hell needs rebounds when
>you have Oakley grabbing 700+ and Ewing grabbing 900+), but is Campbell a
>reliable scorer?  I remember him going off on Detroit in the finals a 
>couple years back, but he only averaged 17ppg for Minnesota and was the
>goto guy there.  He shoots about 46% and is generally a black hole-of-sorts,
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
as opposed to a white hole-of-sorts?  Careful, we might get some folks
riled up who are sensitive about who are better holes-of-sorts, blacks
or whites.  Frankly, I think being a hole-of-sorts is an acquired thing.
I can't remember Tony Campbell being a hole-of-any-sort with the Lakers,
but then, he was hardly given a chance.  I guess they didn't respect
him enough.  Now, Terry Teagle, there was a notable hole-of-sorts on the
Laker team.

>Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)

-Vach
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 21:46:33 EDT
From: <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns

The Suns will have these players, as far as I know.
 F Charles Barkley
 F Tom Chambers
 C Mark West
 G Kevin Johnson
 G Dan Marjerle (he is awesome, isn't he!)

 F Tim Perry
 F Cedric Ceballos
 G Danny Ainge
 F Kurt Rambis(?-Is this guy still around?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: mikem@u.washington.edu (Mike McKinnon)
Subject: Re: Hakeem Olajuwon trade rumors
Organization: UW Medical Center, Dept. of Radiology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:26:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.231644.26758@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
 
> >> I wonder if anyone out there has heard any other rumors or can confirm
> >> or deny the ones discussed above.
> >> 

I heard today 9/15/92 on a Seattle radio station that Bob Whitsitt was interested in making
a trade for Hakeem Olajuwon.  Unidentified sources said that the Sonics were interested in 
a 2-for-1 trade for him or possibly a 3-for-2 trade.

Anyway, it's just another rumor to throw into the pot.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley (w/ Spoiler)
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:41:24 GMT

f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>The Net would appreciate it if someone could give a plot summary of
>Godzilla vs. Barkley for those of us without TV (or roomies who don't
>like watching sports on TV).  Was it a classic, a la Coke's "I'd Like
>to Teach the World to Sing"?

I saw the commercial during the MTV awards.  All it was is this:
  Godzilla terrorizes city;
  Barkley just happens to be in the area with his basketball and runs
    into Gz;
  Gz uses his tail to knock the ball out of CB's hands;
  Gz slaps on Kareem/Olajuwon/Worthy goggles and taunts CB;
  CB gets ball and dunks it through a conveniently mounted hoop on a
    nearby skyscraper;
  CB and Gz become pals and wander off into the sunset.

Not bad I suppose, but for all the hype I expected more than a 30-second
spot.  Actually what really caught my eye was the commercial right before it,
an MTV spot where they edited the videos of Rodney King and Reginald Denny
and replaced the people with animated paper sculptures.  Now _that_ was
an excellent commercial.

--
______________________________________________________________________________
mike gleason                 mgleason@cse.unl.edu             NCEMRSoft, baby!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:33:18 GMT


Now that Magic is gone, Hardaway and KJ share the throne.  Stockton doesn't
share the dimensions (assists & defense only) that the other two do.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: The X Factor
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:01:15 GMT

In article <lb9oelINN9ta@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> elvis@swim2birds.Eng.Sun.COM (The Rev. Nashua Pequod) writes:
>
>Could some Phoenix Suns fan, or Knicks fan, or even Supersonics fan,
>share a few thoughts about Xavier McDaniel?  I hear great things about
>him, and he's always seemed impressive, but maybe someone could explain
>why he's so well-traveled.

Why McDaniel is so well travelled?  Well the last one, the move to the
Celtics was because the Knicks were stupid and somehow let him get away.  God
knows why...they had a pretty powerful team with him.

From Seattle to Phoenix was because of a young promising guy named Shawn
Kemp.  With Kemp and Derrick McKey, the X-Man became expendable, especially
after getting into a brawl with then teammate Dale Ellis.

Phoenix to NY...not enough balls to go around, never mind the fact that it
was Tom Chambers who was shooting the bricks.  Too many guns on that team
for another one.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.145850.6571@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>
>Check out the Cav's stats from when Price was out with the knee injury and from after he got back.  

Lose an all star point guard from any team with no back up and see how they
do.  Of course they're going to suck, just like the Cavs sucked when Price WAS
there and the frontcourt took turns getting injured.  The Lakers would have
struggled to get 20 wins if they didn't have Sedale Threatt.  I didn't say he
wasn't great, just not as great as people have been saying.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:28:55 GMT

In article <92251.145833IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>    Here are my opinions on the five best players at each positions.
>
>PG  1-John Stockton               SG  1-Michael Jordan
>    2-Tim Hardaway                    2-Clyde Drexler
>    3-Kevin Johnson                   3-Mitch Richmond
>    4-Derek Harper                    4-Jeff Hornacek
>    5-Mark Price                      5-Reggie Lewis
>
>                     C  1-David Robinson
>                        2-Patrick Ewing
>                        3-Hakeem Olajuwon
>                        4-Shaquile O'Neille
>                        5-Brad Daugherty
>
> SF  1-Charles Barkley             PF  1-Karl Malone
>     2-Scottie Pippen                  2-Dennis Rodman
>     3-Chris Mullin                    3-Derrick Coleman
>     4-Dominique Wilkins               4-Larry Johnson
>     5-James Worthy                    5-Kevin Willis

No, I'd say things are pretty well done, maybe a few differences of opinion
though.  There are some guys you forgot, who I think are the most forgotten
players in the league.  Larry Nance has to be #2 at power forward, and I
think Otis Thorpe should be in the top five as well.

Plus...Patrick Ewing is overrated.  All of his stats fell again...Olajuwon
(including injury) and Robinson blocked and rebounded a lot more.  Plus,
I think Ewing has had two straight years of subpar playoffs.  If he had been
more of an inside presence against the Bulls, instead of missing fade away
after fade away...