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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:30:04 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Thread....

Paul writes:

> >Robert Fripp and the Crafty Guitarists _Live_
>
> That's *League* of CG. One of the odder recordings I've encountered - about
> 15 or so acoustic guitars arranged in a semicircle playing together. Not a
> sound you hear every day, that's for sure. Interesting stuff I haven't heard
> in a while now.
>
> Paul

    My friend told me he was absolutely stunned at their concert here in
New York. Half of the crafty dudes were playing rhythmic figures,
creating incredible density and complexity of the beat. He admitted that
for the first five minutes he was trying to determine what exactly they
were doing (he himself is a drummer, and a good one), but then gave up
and decided to enjoy the music.

ONFC> (Obligatory Non-Frippian Comment) Got myself a schedule of the
upcoming events at the Knitting Factory. Some notable figures there -
Eliot Sharp (hmmm), Jazz Passengers, Sonny Sharock, maybe even John
Zorn... If somebody is interested, I can post it on the net, and then
you people will tell how to make the best use of my ten bucks. Yeah, and
BTW, what hides under a mysterious name of John Zorn's Cobra? I think, I
am aspiring to cluelessness on this one. :)
            Ilia.
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:23:29 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Allmusic Awards and comp tape
              Jan 2, 93 02:08:12 pm

I'm having a helluva time using the cheesey editor on this new system, so
please bear with me.

> 1. Rising star or revelation of the year.

Illia (yep, he's a guy) 8)

> 2. Wittiest poster.  (Rolling on the Floor Laughing Prize)

I must reciprocate and vote for Tim. His Madonna-bashing was superb.

> 3. Most consistent initiator & promoter of dialogue. (Threadmaker Award)

A tie between Leonard and the Tri-M

> 4. Funkiest poster.

Sonia. Some of her reviews are like LSD flashbacks

> 5. Nastiest poster (Painful Plague Prize)

Why, my pal the NetWart, of course.

> 6. Friendliest and kindest Allmusicker.

Marco

> 7. Clueless poster award. (Frippie Prize)

That guy from last summer who listens to only 50's music, or maybe Eddie
Armstrong, the BeeGees and Billy Ray Cyrus fan.

> 8. Grossest musical mistake in a post.  (Ignoramus Prize, aka Renato Barahona
> Award for misattribution of _Ionisation_)

The kid who said Ozzy Osbourne was in a band called "The Blue Lanterns"
that toured the US in the early sixties. Ozzie would have been 13 at the
time.

> 9. Most original review of a tape, album or CD. >

See #4

> 10. Sexiest poster.  (Libby Doe Prize)

How did that old ad go? "Put Libby, Libby, Libby on the table, table, table?"

> 11. Most playful poster.

Renato. Who keeps telling us he's unsubscribing every two weeks.

> 12. Best Allmusic flamer.

n.n. Lenny must have asbestos underoos to be still alive after the flaming.

> 13. Most astonishing confession or personal revelation.

All the closet Madonna fans. You people make me sick! 8)

> 14. Strangest Allmusic post.

pass

> 15. Classiest Allmusicker.

Bloomdido, the mega-monster of musical memorabilia

> 16. Most dazzling all-around poster.

See #15

> 17. Keeper of the Allmusic flame award.  (To the person who epitomizes
> the spirit & ideals -- whatever they might be -- of the list.  This is the
> highest honor that can be accorded an Allmusicker.)

There's so many different people it's hard to define what the spirit and
ideals of this list are. Everybody on here makes this list what it is.
Even the lowly Wart.
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RE: Allmusic compilation tape

Suggestions:

1) Use 100 minute tapes instead of 90 minute tapes. Maxell and TDK both
make high quality 100 minute tapes. You can find them in any music store.
I usually get the Maxell XLIIS or TDK SA tapes.

2) Record your songs on the tape you mail to Gary. Then Gary (or whoever
is doing the copying) can make a master tape which will be copied back onto
your tape. Sound quality shouldn't suffer significantly. It'll also be cheaper
to mail one tape, than a tape and a CD.

-Adam (former Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny)
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:02:40 CST
From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      January jive

OK, boys and girls, time to take stock of Xmas music and see if Santa & the Thr
ee Wise Guys were good to us:

          To my wife (from me): Little Richard cd box set (Specialty).  Words
          cannot describe how cool this is.  And the booklet's pics will cata-
          pult you back to the 50s in style.

          Also for my wife (from same): Alligator 20th Anniversary Collection.
          Really good sampler of some of this label's best.  And, BTW, I'm not
          offended by Saffire-Uppity Blues Women's lyrics as much as by how pis
          s-poor this Middle Aged Blues piece is!  Re-program your tracks to
          avoid this incredibly stinky clunker.

          To my wife from a former coworker: the ubiquitous _Nutcracker_ plus
          _The Sleeping Beauty_ on a 2-cd Boston Symphony (Ozawa).  I'll forego
          any comments as my son keeps wanting to watch _Fantasia_ (when he's n
          ot insisting on seeing Thomas the Tank Engine), which I must have
          seen several hundred times  (or so it seems) in the last months.
          (How am I going to convince Ernesto that Ringo was a Beatle before
          he became a conductor? :) )

          To my wife from an employee: _Listen to the Loons_ from Dan Gibson's
          Solitudes. On cassette.  Way cooler than the previous one.

          To ourselves (from me): Hendrix _Axis: Bold as Love_  Terrific sound,
          inspired music.  "Spanish Castle Magic" is still among my faves.

          From my folks to me: Landowska's _Goldbergs_ (EMI), a childhood favor
          ite; Satie by Anne Queffelec (Virgin); and Sidney Bechet _Rare Record
          ings, 1947-1953_ (LaserLight).  Haven't heard any of them yet :(

          To me from my wife: John Williams _Spanish Guitar Music_ (Sony).
          75 minutes of pure joy.

          For myself: Elmore James collection of Capricorn (2 cds).  This box
          set is a MUST for blues fans, guitar aficionados and lovers of GREAT
          music.  I started to write a review of it for the list but it never
          got off the ground.  If and when I finish it, I'll post ipso facto.

Finally, a jazz query: heard a superb rendition of "The Song is You" (recorded
live apparently) with Bobby Watson on alto sax; Steve Nelson, vibes;
Donald Brown, piano; Curtis Lundy, bass; and Victor Lewis, drums.  OK, what
record is this on?  It was hotter than hot!! ;-)  Beer, help!!

That's it.  Gotta prepare some lectures now on the early Greeks and on the Span
ish Middle Ages.  Tomorrow I trade my sweats for the uniform.

Please behave while I'm away.  As I've told some of you privately, if you say a
nything interesting, sexy, or juicy while I'm away, I'll never forgive you :*)

-Renato (on leave from Allmusic) Barahona

P.S. Gary G.: I mailed the tape for the compilation yesterday.
From: knossos@carson.u.washington.edu (Judy Broocks)
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Subject: Another "Who recorded this song" question
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:54:16 GMT
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Hello.

Does anyone know the name of the song belonging to the following lyric-bits,
and who recorded it?

References to "Holy Moses"
"All you zombies (hide your faces ?)
 all you people in the streets...
 the pieces are gonna fall on you."

References to "Holy Noah"
"All you zombies (hide your faces ?)
 all you people in the streets...
 the rain's gonna fall on you."

The snippets of lyrics and the melody have been tormenting my every waking
hour for the past several days.  Please save me from the agony of not
knowing who is responsible for this! It's a very catchy tune...

Thank you kindly in advance!

Judy
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:26:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: BBC One recordings released

Carol,
     Noteworthy has it listed for $19, and I've seen in around town
for $21, so $30 is quite steep. If you really want it an can't
find it cheaper than $30, email me and we'll see what we can do
for you...

Regards,
  -- Gary
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:17:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      A few things

OMC: Just a reminder to all planning to participate in the compilation
     tape:  I need your selections via e-mail by Friday. The response so far
     has been good. I have atleast 8 or 9 replies and a few more that said
     they were on the way. I will resend the announcement out tomorrow for
     the vacationers.

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From: GE777009%BROWNVM.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 1/4/93 10:19AM
Subject: Re: 1992 Allmusic Awards Nominations

>>But I couldn't help but noticing some of the battles you had with the
>>metal heads ;)

>Not my fault they are all stupid.
>obviously a product of their environment.
>the loud guitar shrieking just sucks the
>brain cells right outta dere heads.

Oh yeah, what's your excuse?

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From: mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU at INTERNET 1/4/93 11:24AM (1619 bytes:
Subject: Re: ALLMUSIC Awards / Dream Theater

>>Gary is confused -

>>Are we talking about the same Dream Theatre? (Actually, that should be
>>'Theater'). The one I'm talking about (and the one I thought Mr. Bloom was
>>talking about) is a hard rock / metal band. Their new album is called
>>_Images and Words_.

>What, you think that just because I like a cappella , I don't like anything
>else? I've known about and liked DT for a long time! Like I said, I know a
>guy in the band! Yes, they are hard rock, but I've never really thought of
>them as metal. I'm not as sweet and innocent as I seem y'know.....

Ooooooooops, please accept my sincerest apologies.

Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:30:16 EDT
From:         RAYMCA@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      re: what do ya listen to

Lately I've been listening to a lot of classic
rock and getting away from top 40 and heavy metal, for the most part..
I want the Eagles' Greatest Hits (is there one or two volumes??)...
I actually haven't bought a CD since.... October?? That was "Records"
by Foreigner... I still listen to a lot of Alan Parsons, Journey, Styx,
Toto....

                                 --Cathy
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:44:44 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stubb (a dub)
              7 Jan 1993 18:26:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

All this talk about drugs, here's a scenario:

If we legalise pot in the US,
how will it affect "coffee breaks"?

Yes, there are people stupid enough to smoke pot anytime they can.
I know about 10 people in my circle who may do just that.
I don't do the stuff, cuz I get high off of more natural things,
like SEX!   Yes, what a buzz.

Anyways, I saw Primus and Mr Bungle on New Year's Eve, and it was
pretty weird stuff.  Bungle didn't play their best stuff, and the
highlight was of great shock value.  The lead singer took off his
rotten sneaker, pulled out his penis, and proceeded to urinate into
the shoe.  He then lifted the shoe above his head and drank the urine.
He then threw the shoe out into the pit.  Primus just put on a good,
fun show.

Mike.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:02:12 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      The 40's and 50's

    I was reading in _The Sound of the City: The Rise of Rock and
Roll_ by Charlie Gillett for my Rock 'n' Roll class when I ran across
this exceedingly frightening passage:
    This was written by David Reisman, a sociologist, in an
article titled "Listening to Popular Music".  It is about the
"minority" music audience of the 40's and 50's.  See if you've heard
this before.

    "The monority group is small.  It comprises the more active
listeners, who are less interested in melody or tune than in
arrangement or technical virtuosity.  It has developed elaborate,
even over elavorate, standards of music listening; hence its music
listening is combined with much animated discussion of technical
points and perhaps reference to trade journals such as Metronome and
Downbeat.  The group tends to dislike name bands, most vocalists, and
radio commercials.
    The rebelliousness of this minority group might be indicated in
some of the following attitudes towards popular music: an insitence
on rigorous standards of judgment and taste in ralativist culture; a
preference for the uncommercialized, unadvertised small bands rather
than name bands; the development of a private language and then a
flight from it when the private language...is taken over by the
majority group; a profound resentment of the commercialization of
radio and musicians.
    ...a dislike of "star" performers and an insitence that the
improvisation be a group generated phenomenon...
    ...a feeling that music is too important to serve as a backdrop
for dancing, small talk, studying, and the like..."

    Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but could not the same
description fit the "alternative" scene?  (It's obvious to me that
this description is one that fits Allmusic exactly.)  If so, is that
not another example of historical repetition?  Coupled with the rise
in popularity of jazz, beat poets, and hippie-esque styles, I'm
confronted with an image of a Twilight Zone mishmash of the 50's,
60's, and 70's all crammed into a final two decades.  Freaky, eh?
    I'm considering as a possible paper topic to compare the new
minority audience which ushered rock 'n' roll into the mainstream
with the "alternative" audience as it brings "alternative" music into
the mainstream.  Any ideas?  Feedback?






























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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:29:15 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

all this talk about powerdrills and chainsaws,

what instrument is the STRANGEST instrument you have ever heard
in a song, and which song was it featured in?

what is the most bizarre instrument you have ever heard play music?
(the one that make you say, "what the hell is that contraption?")
Please describe the instrument in detail, if you can.  I may plan to
build one.  ;)

 3
M
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:29:36 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV

Leonard Watkins sez:
>The kind of videos i like are the live footage and and videos where the
>artist are playing, don't care fot the "theme" type videos.

i disagree. i find live footage stuff to be usually quite boring. in
my opinion, a video should be a piece of film that tells reflects the
lyrics and meaning of the song in a visual manner. as such, not all
songs really deserve to have videos since some songs really don't have
a story to tell.

the only songs that deserve live footage are actual live recordings.

woj
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:18:43 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:00:38 EST spideroni said:
>newspapers need permission to print the picture of someone, but i believe
>that is because the picture is to be printed at a profit to the newspaper.
>if you take photos for private use only, there should not be a conflict
>with the interests of the photographed (other than embarrasment and so
>forth, which would only be a factor in court if the pictures were not kept
>to a private use only.
>
I don't think so.  Newspapers can print photos that are news without
compensating anyone.  And certainly, they can print photos of public figures
without paying. Other professional photographers do have to secure releases
from people they photograph *before* selling the photo, but:  1) again, they
can sell photos of public figures without permission/payment, 2) if they don't
sell the photo, they don't need a release just to take it.  Basically, the
only legal way to stop someone from photographing you is to physically shield
yourself.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:26:02 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Microbrew or bust

>Microbrew or bust
>
>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
>
>I missed this the first (10?) time(s) around:  how about starting some more
>beer wars?  I'll throw my mug into the ring:  if it isn't home or micro-
>brewed, it's just yellow stuff that comes out the other end (US only--not
>considering the import scene.  Argue about that some other day.).
>

Let me just say, that i am moving to the west coast for the microbrew
and the growing season.

McMinnimins (sp?) Cascade Head rocks the house.

jenna
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:24:30 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

>Maybe Russ's band could work this thing up...?

Consider it done.  *Everyone* knows that Mozart was the first
rocker, you know, "party hearty, die young and leave a pretty corpse"
type of thing.  He was the original!

(true) OMC:  Clinton is getting Fleetwood Mac back together for an
inaugeration party.  Ugh.  The rest of the bill is composed of
like-minded MOR stalwarts....W.Marsalis, I forget who else,.. also
Chuck Berry and Little Richard.  At least Bush was able to grab
B.B.King.  And I'm sure B.B's grabbed some bush in his time too (ouch).

Russ
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Newbie slack (Ken)
              8 Jan 1993 18:13:19 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UC HICAGO.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:13:19 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>
>Oh, c'mon Ken - Let me refresh your memory...
>
>2. I'm the horny wench who proposed marriage to every male on this
>list....at the same time....

Hmm. . . can you say "polygamous", boys and girls?  (And you being a lawyer-
apprentice:  shame shame  (-:)

>3. I'm the pervert who likes to read your stuff....

Hmm. . . does that make me a pervert if I like to write it?  Or just a
panderer?  (Or even a pandabear (-:)

>4. I'm a redhead....you know what they say....
>
Believe me, I have *extensive* experience of redheads (-:

>You expect ME to control your urges??????????
>Oh, I bet you'll have lots of help from Carol too.....
>
>Marsha
>
Naw, Carol's no help; she just eggs me on to greater feats (-:

Anyways, its Monday.  That's a restraint in and of itself.  It's just Fridays
that send me outa control (-:
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:19:00 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 1992 Allmusic Awards Nominations

>From:         Jeff Beer <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>
>
>In article <ALLMUSIC%93010318025630@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET
>(jc-s) writes:
>>>Does renaming it to Allmusic Dominatrix count?  If so, nerves of
>>>steel.
>>>
>>What do you mean by this, exactly?
>
>What?  Did you think I was talking about you?
>How could that happen?
>
>But I couldn't help but noticing some of the battles you had with the
>metal heads ;)

Not my fault they are all stupid.
obviously a product of their environment.
the loud guitar shrieking just sucks the
brain cells right outta dere heads.

you know i'm right, too.

jenna
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:12:03 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV

>I'm not sure it's always (key word here is always) the artist interpre..etc
>sometimes i think the director/producer has more say so what goes in a video
>than the artist....L.W.

  Well, the lenster, all cluelessness awards notwithstanding,
is right on the money here.  The Cars were getting recognition
for their videos at one point, but in interview, ric ocasek
revealed that they had almost nothing to do with the videos
that were made for them (except, of course, for the soundtrack).
Cars videos were solely the creative babies of their directors,
not the band.

                     -Tim
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:54:00 EST
From:         John M <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Alice In Chains

Sonia wonders:

>Last night I heard something on the radio I liked and wondered if you could
>provide some info on the band ... "Them Bones" from _Dirt_ by Alice in
>Chains.  Mutated blues/metal foundation with a froth of psychdelic/speed/metal
>riding on top of the waves.  I LIKED it.   I know nothing at all about this
>band.  What should I know?

They are part of the "alternative" (what a meaningless term THAT'S become)
Seattle scene, and IMHO one of the only bands in that crowd worth listening to
more than once (OK, flame away, flannel-lovers).

-JM
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