HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: E-mail access in South Africa ?
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:15:15 GMT

Thus spake devil@diablery.10A.com (Gil Tene):

> I'd like to know what form of e-mail access is openly available
> in South Africa. By "openly available" I don't meen "free", but
> rather "available without any excesive use restrictions" (such
> as "academia only", etc.). Something like what UUNET runs in 
> the US.

The situation has now stabilised somewhat.  The local universities
have a network called, originally enough, Uninet, which runs TCP/IP
between universities and across a 9600 leased line to the US of A.
They import most newsgroups, and have all the mail facilities that
they need (when the link is up).

There is a local Usenet-type network (called SANet), which has a
dial-up link to the US (courtesy of Olivetti) for mail, and has
a news feed from the university network.  There are about 60 sites
in this network, all on dial-up links (see comp.mail.maps for a
recent copy of u.zaf.1).  

The local Fidonet crowd get a news and mail feed from the university
network.  There is also a link from Greennet in the UK, down Africa,
to Worknet in SA, which then links to SANet.

Domains to look out for:

	.za		South Africa
	.ac.za		SA Universities &c
	.co.za		SA Commercial
	.alt.za		SA misfits (NGOs, private use, etc)
	.uucp		look in u.zaf.1

In a pseudo-graphical form:


			    Fido zone 5
				  |
USA -----tcp/ip-------     Uninet-ZA (.ac.za)
				  |
			  dial-up gateway
				  |
USA ----dial-up-------         SA-Net (.co.za,.alt.za,.uucp)
				  |
			 uucp-fido gateway
				  |
UK --Greennet/Africa--   Worknet (.apc.org)
 
 ---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---
 Paul Nash                                         paul@frcs.Alt.ZA
 Box 12475, Onderstepoort, 0110 South Africa         +27-12-5611879
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 16:52:08 CDT
From: Andreas Neubacher <K318577@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Need info on Internet <-> Zerberus Gateway

Hi everybody!

I need to send e-mail to somebody on the "Zerberus" net. As far as
I know, this is a PC-based (perhaps European only) BBS network,
similar to FIDOnet.

The address template is "user@machine.zer". I tried to send mail
directly to the user's address, assuming that ".zer" is an Internet
domain. Unfortunately the mail bounced.

Can anybody tell me whether it is possible to send e-mail from the
Internet to the Zerberus net, and if yes, how?

Please send responsed directly to
  aneubach@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Internet - preferred)
  k318577@alijku11             (Bitnet)
as I do not have easy access to NetNews. I will post a summary of the
responses and describe my experiences.

Thanks,
        Andy.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mshappe@red-dwarf.cornell.edu (Michael Scott Shappe)
Subject: Thoughts on POP
Nntp-Filt-2: Fenchurch version 0.3 by Uncle Mikey for Cornell University
Nntp-Auth: trusted
Organization: CIT--Life on the Bleeding Edge
Errors-To: Michael_Shappe@cornell.edu
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:53:48 GMT

Folks,

Cornell Information Technologies is planning to scale its POP service up
to include, potentially, the whole campus. We're trying to migrate folks
away from mainframe-based mail and toward the more distributed model. Our
plans currently include a SPARCStation 2 w/64mb RAM and 2.6gb disk
dedicated to POP service.

We're curious about what other places are doing, particularly places 
that are putting heavy emphasis on POP and other distributed solutions
over timesharing solutions.

Among the questions I'm interested in seeing answered are:

1] What sort of hardware base have you given POP?
2] What are the common support issues/problems?
3] How widespread is POP-based mail (vs. mainframe)?

Thanks in advance,
Mike Shappe
CIT Collaboration Systems

--
--
Michael "Uncle Mikey" Shappe
Michael_Shappe@cornell.edu
"Spring is really coming, it's just so goddamned slow." -- Suzanne Vega
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:1486 comp.mail.sendmail:1321
From: alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Coopersmith)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Testing BITNET links
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:18:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Bezerkeley Overloaded Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu

Our sendmail.cf was set up so that we couldn't mail to user@node.bitnet
directly.  I think this is fixed, but I'm not sure.  Are there any bitnet
addresses I can mail to that will just echo something back to me? (a
misc.test sort of service)


-- 
        +--------------------------------------------------+
        |               -Alan Coopersmith-                 |
        | alanc@ocf.Berkeley.edu | alanc@soda.berkeley.edu |
        +--------------------------------------------------+
From: anibal@wiley.EE.McGill.CA (Anibal JODORCOVSKY)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: how to send executable files???
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:02:20 GMT
Organization: Undergraduate UNIX Lab, EE, McGill University

Hi there!!

I am trying to mail an executable file. I am in a Unix environment, and
the other side is working with DOS. How can I transfer the file?
I was thinking about uuencode/uudecode, but they don't have that program
at the other end.
Is there another prog available that supplies an ASCII conversion, or sth.,
so that we can mail a binary file??

Thanks in advance!!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
=   Anibal    / anibal@honi.ee.mcgill.ca  =
= Jodorcovsky / anibal@wiley.ee.mcgill.ca =
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: dandrake@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel E. Drake)
Subject: PC_MAIL
Organization: CSO EWS
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:10:47 GMT

Does anybody know any pc-mail-type programs that can be used over pc-nfs?
Please mail me, if you have any suggestions.  Thanks in advance...
								Dan Drake

-- 
Daniel Drake					604 E. Armory
drake@director.beckman.uiuc.edu			Champaign, IL 61820
Home #: 217-367-4292				FAX: 217-244-8371
Work #: 217-244-3062
From: anibal@ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal JODORCOVSKY)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: how to mail executable files???
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:03:59 GMT
Organization: Undergraduate UNIX Lab, EE, McGill University
Originator: anibal@wiley.EE.McGill.CA


I am trying to mail an executable file. I am in a Unix environment, and
the other side is working with DOS. How can I transfer the file?
I was thinking about uuencode/uudecode, but they don't have that program
at the other end.
Is there another prog available that supplies an ASCII conversion, or sth.,
so that we can mail a binary file??

Thanks in advance!!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
=   Anibal    / anibal@honi.ee.mcgill.ca  =
= Jodorcovsky / anibal@wiley.ee.mcgill.ca =
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: brown@chinchilla.cc.ucf.edu (Bill Laughner-Brown)
Subject: Sending mail to MCI REMS accounts (Answered!)
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:57:42 GMT

Here's how to send mail to a user using MCIMail's Remote Electronic 
Messaging Service (REMS).  This system allows remote mail systems (cc:Mail, 
in our case) to send<->receive mail from MCIMail.  A REMS mailbox is exactly 
like an individual's mailbox.  You must have the mailbox name or number of 
the remote system as well as the user's address on that remote system (cc:
Mail's is easy... It's just our full name).  The format is fairly simple:

if the user's address is 'Remote Address' and the mailbox name is 
'Mailbox Name' then the internet address is:

Remote_Address%Mailbox_Name@mcimail.com

OR

if the remote mail system's mailbox number is 9999999 then the internet 
address is:

Remote_Address%9999999@mcimail.com

Note that underscores should be used where spaces would be.

Regards,

Bill Laughner-Brown                         brown@chinchilla.cc.ucf.edu
Software Engineer                           Maynard(R) - An Archive Company
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: pullin@mail.physics.utah.edu (Jorge Pullin)
Subject: Erratically bouncing outgoing mail
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:07:51 GMT

Hello

Our machine (IBM RS 6000 AIX 3.1.5 3005) has been erratically bouncing
outgoing mail. An example of the kind of error it gives is:


From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <9203202251.AA30570@mail.physics.utah.edu>
To: pullin
Status: RO

  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
554 asterix.eng.buffalo.edu.tcp... 554 Service unavailable
554 arg-net@asterix.eng.buffalo.edu... Service unavailable



That is, it seems that for some reason it decides not to use the name
server and it tries to open a tcp/ip direct connection with the mail
destination. If the connection cannot be opened (network temporarily
unreachable, or if it is a foreign address with no direct connection)
it bounces the message. It should be noticed that usually re-sending
the message immediately does not cause any problem (the message goes
through OK). Sometimes maybe it has to be re-sent twice (it bounces
also the second time). The IBM people could only suggest "try
rebooting the machine" which did not help. I am using ELM 2.3 PL11 as
mailer and sendmail. I had a look at sendmail.cf and seems configured
OK. For instance it usually accepts without trouble "difficult"
foreign internet addresses, which proves it is using name servers to
send the message.  Again I remind that the problem is only sporadical
and is not reproducible, it happens about once a day to me, and I
usually send 20/30 outgoing messages a day.


Anyone can give me any hint? As you may infer from the wording of the
above text I am no expert in sendmail, tcp/ip or nameservers, so any
suggestion is welcome. Please reply by email, I can summarize if there
is interest. Thanks in advance.

Regards.
Jorge


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: What does this mean?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:02:54 GMT
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univ, Nectar Project

scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
   Someone was recently trying to send mail to my site (not the one I'm
   posting from now) and got the following error messages:
   451 makeconnection: server "smtp" unknown: Invalid argument
   554 saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu.tcp... 554 System file missing
   Anybody know what that means?

It means that her system uses Yellow Pages (aka NIS); that her
system's "services" map is supported by that means; that her NIS
server was overloaded at the time; and that when sendmail requested of
that NIS server the numeric port number for mail service ("smtp", port
25), the overload on the server caused it not to respond before a
timeout occurred in sendmail, giving the (erroneous) impression of an
unknown "system file."

Solutions:
[1] Add code to retry the getservbyname("smtp") call if it fails.
[2] Hardcode port 25 where the getservbyname("smtp") call currently exists.
[3] Nuke YP/NIS with the biggest weapon you can find.

   She is able to send mail to this account...

Purely an accident.  When she got around to sending mail to you there,
the NIS server was no longer overloaded.  It could happen again any time.

--karl
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Mail Gateway to Dow Chemical
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:34:07 GMT

In article <@> bn099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Teerawat Pawittranon) writes:
>
>I need to send a message to a friend at Dow.  Could anyone tell
>me the address of a Dow computer node which interconnected with internet?  
>
Perhaps you should telephone him, and ask him to send E-mail to you.
Then, you can "reverse-engineer" a path to him.
It seems that 'Dow Chemical' and 'Dow Europe' have private networks,
i.e., networks which are not connected to the Internet.
________________________________

> telnet nic.ddn.mil  
 
SunOS UNIX (nic.ddn.mil) (ttyr6) 
  
@ whois dow-.  
Dow Benelux NV (NET-DOW-EUROPE) DOW-EUROPE                          145.42.0.0 
Dow Jones (NET-DOWJONES)        DOWJONES                           143.131.0.0 
Dow Jones & Company (DOWJONES-DOM)                                DOWJONES.COM 
The Dow Chemical Company (NET-DOW-CHEM1) DOW-CHEM1                 143.219.0.0 
Whois: !net-dow-chem1 
The Dow Chemical Company (NET-DOW-CHEM1) 
   U.S. Area Research Campus 
   1707 Building 
   Midland, MI 48674 
 
   Netname: DOW-CHEM1 
   Netnumber: 143.219.0.0 
 
   Coordinator: 
      Blackmon, Joseph W.  (JWB65)  network@NCSA.UIUC.EDU 
      (217) 244-4019 
 
   Record last updated on 05-Jul-91. 
 
   No hosts found on this network. 

Whois: !net-dow-europe 
Dow Benelux NV (NET-DOW-EUROPE) 
   Po Box 48  NL-4530 AA 
   Terneuzen Netherlands 
 
   Netname: DOW-EUROPE 
   Netnumber: 145.42.0.0 
 
   Coordinator: 
      Pattett, Robert  (RP1115)  Erik-Jan.Bos@surfnet.nl 920120 
      +31 1150 74300 
 
   Record last updated on 27-Jan-92. 
 
   No hosts found on this network. 
 
/*
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mshappe@red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu (Michael Scott Shappe)
Subject: Thoughts on POP (with correct return address this time)
Nntp-Filt-2: Fenchurch version 0.3 by Uncle Mikey for Cornell University
Nntp-Auth: trusted
Organization: CIT--Life on the Bleeding Edge
Errors-To: Michael_Shappe@cornell.edu
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:54:40 GMT

Folks,

Cornell Information Technologies is planning to scale its POP service up
to include, potentially, the whole campus. We're trying to migrate folks
away from mainframe-based mail and toward the more distributed model. Our
plans currently include a SPARCStation 2 w/64mb RAM and 2.6gb disk
dedicated to POP service.

We're curious about what other places are doing, particularly places 
that are putting heavy emphasis on POP and other distributed solutions
over timesharing solutions.

Among the questions I'm interested in seeing answered are:

1] What sort of hardware base have you given POP?
2] What are the common support issues/problems?
3] How widespread is POP-based mail (vs. mainframe)?

Thanks in advance,
Mike Shappe
CIT Collaboration Systems

--
--
Michael "Uncle Mikey" Shappe
Michael_Shappe@cornell.edu
"Spring is really coming, it's just so goddamned slow." -- Suzanne Vega
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: University of Maryland at Baltimore County email address?
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 01:39:56 GMT

In article <3fJA02Jn0fks01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>I'm looking for a domain name for the University of Maryland (University
>of Maryland at Baltimore County, to be specific).  Can anyone help?
>

I find umbc3.umbc.edu in the Maryland maps for U.M. Baltimore County.

Mild flame: instead of wasting bandwidth on this, why not look in the
maps for yourself?

-- 
Jean-Pierre Radley   Unix in NYC   jpr@jpr.com   jpradley!jpr   CIS: 72160,1341
From: thomas@plxsun (Thomas Leibold)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Email access to Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:10:47 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

vossj@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
: 
: Does anybody know if any University in Dubai has email access?
: Whether X.25 is available in United Arab Emirates?
: 

I don't know about email access to anyone in dubai but there is X.25 available
in the United Arab Emirates:

Network:	DNIC:
EMDAN		4243
TELETEX		4241

I hope this helps.

Thomas

-- 
Thomas Leibold   +1-408-9824888   thomas@plx.com   {uupsi,sun}!plx!thomas
PLEXUS Software, 5200 Great America Parkway, Suite #200, Santa Clara CA 95054
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ziegast@uunet.uu.net (Eric W. Ziegast)
Subject: Re: Delimiter of a standard mail spool file.
Reply-To: ziegast@uunet.uu.net (Eric W. Ziegast)
Organization: UUNET Technologies - Falls Church, VA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:20:52 GMT

> Could somebody please tell me what the standard delimiter of a mail
> spool file is?

"\n\nFrom" where "From" is the beginning of the message.
At the beginning of the spool, there are no leading returns.

Basically, if the last line you read was a blank line and your
current line starts with "From":

	!strncmp(buffer ,"From ", strlen("From "))

you're at the beginning of a message.  Usually, just a leading
"From " is enough since a good mailer will escape other instances
of "From " as ">From ".
--
Eric Ziegast

PS: Code above stolen from MH.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: elitman@wam.umd.edu (Eric A. Litman)
Subject: Delimiter of a standard mail spool file.
Organization: U. of Maryland, College Park.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:05:11 GMT

Could somebody please tell me what the standard delimiter of a mail
spool file is? I would like to write a script that tells me how many
messages I have total, the number new, and the number unread (as does
Mail upon startup). I have written one that does this, but it chokes on
forwarded messages when I grep for Message-Id: (I gave up on From: ).

Thanks in advance.
-Eric

P.S. If somebody has already written something to do this (preferrable in
C, that would be nice, too  :-)
From: cctr127@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar, Network Consultant, CSC)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Need address/path (to U. of Canterbury, New Zealand)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:51:22 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr13.232531.6642@sol.UVic.CA>, klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:
>
> Big DNS speil deleted
>

I'm afraid he missed out the information you were after - namely the MX record
for Mechanical Engineering is mech.canterbury.ac.nz

- just send to user@mech.canterbury.ac.nz - where "first initial" + "." +
"surname" should work (as in j.haar) - if not (or beforehand), try the whois
server here for the persons name (whois -h cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz "name")

Cheers

Jason Haar, Network Consultant
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:1526 comp.mail.sendmail:1352 comp.mail.uucp:1178
From: henri@srt-poste.fr (Henri THEVENIN)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: FRENCH STUDENTS <<<<<========================
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: henri@srt-poste.fr
Organization: Service de recherche Technique de La Poste (SRTP)

Bonjour,


Si vous etes francais, etudiants et a l'etranger (ou non), 
Si vous voulez vous amuser un peu, et rester en contact avec des 
francais, envoyez moi un message.
Nous sommes deja nombreux a etre connectes via email.
Nous disposons d'une (petite) equipe de presse et nous diffusons 
deux journaux (1 de Nantes et 1 de Bonn) afin de communiquer entre nous
et d'informer les etudiants des nouvelles du pays.
La seule condition est d'ecrire des articles !

A bientot.

 ----------------------- 
|  henri@srt-poste.fr	|
|    Henri THEVENIN	|
 -----------------------
From: siva@bally.com (Siva Chelliah)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: test
Date: 3 Apr 92 21:46:30 GMT
Distribution: rno
Organization: Bally Systems

This is a test. Please ignore.

Siva
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - System Admin)
Subject: mailq
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) - 24hrs.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:00:59 GMT

Hi...

	I just installed smail3.1 (great program!!)

	I'm just trying to figure everything out and there is a program
called mailq...what does it do?   I understood that it showed what
was waiting in the queue to go out, but if I type 'mailq' nothing
happens.

Thanks...

	Marc
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**********************************************************************
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|     1700+ newsgroups      network email      files       24hrs     |
|                    news and mail feeds available                   | 
|     marc@r-node.gts.org      r-node!marc      marc@r-node.uucp     |
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: E-mail access in South Africa ?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:25:04 GMT

In article <438@imp.diablery.10A.com> devil@diablery.10A.com (Gil Tene) writes:
>
>I'd like to know what form of e-mail access is openly available
>in South Africa. By "openly available" I don't meen "free", but
>rather "available without any excesive use restrictions" (such
>as "academia only", etc.). Something like what UUNET runs in the US.
>
Once again, NSLOOKUP to the rescue ...

Script started on Tue Apr 14 17:19:04 1992
> nslookup 
> set type=mx 
! Pick a "spurious" host-name.
> Gil-Tene.ZA. 
------------ 
Got answer: 
    QUESTIONS: 
        Gil-Tene.ZA, type = MX, class = IN 
    AUTHORITY RECORDS: 
    ->  ZA      origin = daisy.ee.und.ac.za 
!                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
! This is the top-level name-server for South Africa.
!
        mail addr = postmaster.ee.und.ac.za 
!                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
! This is the ID of the person who maintains the name-server.
------------ 
Failed: NXDOMAIN, num. answers = 0, ns = 1, additional = 0 
*** can't find Gil-Tene.ZA.: Non-existent domain 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :-)))
From: klund@athena.mit.edu (Kent H Lundberg)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Easiest way to connect Novell net to UUCP/SMTP ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:07:55 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


Sound like what you want is Peqasus Mail (a free mail program for
Novell) and Charon (a free Novell/SMTP gateway).  You can find them
via anonymous ftp from info.umd.edu in the directory
/info/Computers/Novell/Utilites/ as pmail224.zip and charon34.zip.

Also of info.umd.edu is the Novell Mailing list FAQ, as
/info/Computers/Novell/Information/faq.txt which you may want
to check out and read (it also tells you how to join the 
Novell mailing list.)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:52:17 -0400 
From: Seth Adam Eliot <se08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: mail to compuserve??


Is there anyway to send e-mail to someones compuserve account from the
net?  How can this be done?


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                       Carnegie Mellon Univerity,   Pittsburgh, PA
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