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From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Subject: Re: Why Anti-California?
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
	<1ehiutINNqkj@agate.berkeley.edu> <1ehme5INNkre@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:21:47

In article <1ehme5INNkre@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU
(Jay Reidy) writes:

     Yeah, but I'd like to wear a tie more often than when I got to a
     job interview!  Maybe it's a little too casual here.

Yikes.  You _want_ to wear a tie?  I think they have
tranquilizers that will help you.

Where I work, the only people who wear ties are job applicants.
Quite possibly the ones who don't get hired.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: new thread
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:43:14 GMT
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In article <1992Nov19.175252.17823@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cgothe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol L Gothe) writes:
>What I miss about Oregon is:
>Henry's

who doesn't?

>The upper duck pond in Lithia Park

I found my second cat there in 1980 and she's still fat as a duck. ;)

>Some neat Profs at SOSC

Hey, I went there.  Which profs did you like?

>That really great Mexican resturant in downtown (gasp!) Medford, what is the
>     name?

I always preferred dave's (in the bowling alley!) to anything in Medfrog.
(I'll avoid the more popular label for that place...)

>     I'm surpirsed nobody else mentioned this bastion of Orgonian culture;
>FAT HARVEY'S

Everyone should stop and get a Tshirt.

>What I don't miss is:
>
>That *cloud* over Medford

Ahh, the smell of a veneer factory in the morning, there's just nothing
quite like it.  Except, well, Albany...


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From: flamer@mithril.intel.com (Jim Trethewey @mithril)
Subject: Re: transplanted...
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:55:50 GMT

higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa) writes:

>In article <1edbg9INNdoi@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> strong-john@yale.edu (John Strong) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.022643.12973@news.columbia.edu> jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo) writes:
>>Aloha!  I'm so gratified to see my little ol' hometown on this newsgroup.
>>Oh, and here's another pronunciation: "Uh-loh-uh", not "Ul-loh-hah".  We're
>>not Hawaiian, ya know.
>What's this anti-Islander s***?  Huh?  Huh?
>Nah nah nah.  But where does the name come from, that the "h" in Aloha, OR
>is silent?  Someone told me that it was the name of a railroad junction and
>town came to called by that name.  The resemblance is uncanny.

There's actually an interesting story behind this!  The town was originally
called ALOAH, and this is why people pronounce it that way.  When they
first applied to the US Postal Service to have a post office set up there,
somebody in Washington DC flubbed it and returned the approved application 
and the related materials (especially Cancellation Stampers) with it spelled
as ALOHA.  Rather than fight the mistake, the locals went with it, and the
rest is history.  I read this in an historical article in the Beaverton 
Valley Times sometime in the last 4 years.
So, It has absolutely nothing to do with Hawaiian.
--
--Jim Trethewey, $WORK = flamer@mithril.intel.com, $HOME = flamer@alfirin
 5200 NE Elam Young Parkway HF3-73, Hillsboro OR 97124-6497 (503)696-5444
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: mirage@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dean Joseph Sanvitale)
Subject: BLAZERS!!!!
Summary: Porter lights it up 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:22:45 GMT

Even though I`m way down here at Stanford, I`ll be a BLAZERS fan for life.


Oh, and what the hell besides the Blazers are we going to talk about on this
news group.  Oregon`s the best state precisely because of its lack of 
stuffy pseudo-culture crap.

					Dean Sanvitale
					Portalnd resident & Stanford student
From: lindaa@portent.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: California Vermin
Date: 21 Nov 1992 06:45:30 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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In article <wxnqlkg@lynx.unm.edu> benner@hydra.unm.edu (John Benner) writes:
>The Anti-Californian sentiment is very apparent here in New Mexico as
>well, although not as strong as in Oregon. We are getting an influx of
>the vermin here and in Colorado too.
>
>John Benner **************** Native Oregonian
>Department of Mechanical Engineering
>University of New Mexico
>Albuquerque, NM

Ah, yes--an example of one of the things I love about Oregon:  tolerance!

(Now, the citizens of which state tried to pass that anti-gay initiative?)
:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
   $  lindaa@info.Berkeley.EDU	$      crazy thing!!!"                    $
   $				$    -George Jetson, "The Jetsons"        $
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: mbn@skeletor.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
	<1992Nov18.033554.11781@data-io.com>
	<1992Nov19.005217.9456@muddcs.claremont.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:14:01 GMT

>>>>> "erik" == Erik Underkofler <eunderko@jarthur.claremont.edu> writes:

erik> In article <1992Nov18.033554.11781@data-io.com> dietz@Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
>Also, I hear that the Spruce Goose (Howard Hughes' colossal wooden float
>plane) is being (or has been moved) to McMinnville.  Anyone heard any 
>details on this?  My father-in-law swears that he was in the San Fransisco
>Bay aboard the USS Helena when the Goose took its flight into infamy.  Says
>he came on deck just as the plane cleared the water.  Cool, huh?

erik> The Spruce Goose has been taken apart, stuck in a barge and is
erik> either on its way, or is already in Oregon.

The Spruce Goose is in the McMinnville area (taken apart at the moment).
The Evergreen folks (you remember, the guys that flew the Shah out of Iran
:-)) are attempting to get funds together to open an aviation museum at
the McMinnville airport.  I haven't heard a date for when they expect to
have the museum open.
--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: helix@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Helix Fairweather)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:45:48 GMT

In article <walter.722329012@nova> walter@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Walter Obermiller) writes:
>mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (The Amazing Immolating Man) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov18.165611.457@netnews.synoptics.com> franks@synoptics.com writes:
>.....
>>And they have the coolest ads on KBVR, too... (The OSU radio station)
>
>not to mention the good music on KRVM Eugene's evening jazz....
>    sigh!
>
>walter
>
>walter@mira.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
>former 'part-time' oregonian on loan to UO.

Ah! but nothing compares to the programming diversity of KLCC!!

Music from the Hearts of Space
The Women's Music Show
New Dimensions

hx


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From: henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:57:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.201418.26999@leland.Stanford.EDU> hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen) writes:
>
>how please to pronounce the following word:
>
>
>                   TUALATIN
>
>

[too-ALL-uh-tin].  Try their White Table Wine in the big bottles
for an exceptional value.  Not just cheap, but quite good!

Kathryn
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:01:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.182512.11421@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>Wow!  An oregon newsgroup...
>
>I was a bit surprised to see the word 'culture' in the same sentence
>as 'oregon' tho.
>
>My youthful days in the greater Tigard area featured neither ballet 
>nor opera.
>

I hate to point this, but niether ballet nor opera define culture.

-- 
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: California Vermin
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:12:44 GMT

benner@hydra.unm.edu (John Benner) writes:
>The Anti-Californian sentiment is very apparent here in New Mexico as
>well, although not as strong as in Oregon. We are getting an influx of
>the vermin here and in Colorado too.

That's to be expected - I've been told by several relatives and
friends to the east and north of us that a lot of the Californians are
bringing with them the things that make California so bad.  Get enough
of them and they start agitating for higher taxes, more business
restrictions, and more laws.
-- 
In Mexico we have a word for sushi: bait.  -- Josi Simon
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Why Anti-California?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:45:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov18.181723.21966@lclark.edu> rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem) writes:
>
>howdy,
>
>i'm from Tacoma, WA originally.  but i escaped here to Portland 4 years ago.
>one of the main complaints that i've heard from locals is that Californians
>sell their houses for ungodly amounts of money in Cali, come up here and think
>that these houses are dirt cheap.  they then buy the houses without as much
>of the regular bargaining.  so houses start selling for more than they usually
>do.  this drives property values up and increases the property taxes which
>are already out of control here.
>
>i've also heard that more Californians means more crystal freaks.  :)
>
>DISCLAIMER:  none of the above is my opinion.  i just heard it from others.
>
>eric
>rorem@lclark.edu

There are a few more issues.  One of the major ones is land use and the
pressure from developers to allow the subdivision of rural lands. No
matter which side people are on there are no easy answers.
Paul

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From: dfoster@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek R. Foster)
Subject: What is there to DO in Portland?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:36:33 GMT

My home is Milwaukie (note for the geographically challenged: Milwaukie
is the suburb to the south of Portland.) During the summers
and Christmas break, my friends and I (usually about 4-6 people) get
together and, as always, the perennial question pops up:

   What is there to DO in Portland?

Now there are some qualifiers to this. Up until recently, for instance,
some of us were underage. (now, no longer true.) We have transportation
to most of Portland (cars, and the *excellent* tri-met bus system.)
What we don't have are: 1) Lots of money. 2) A desire to consume a lot of
(any?) alcohol. We have found that finding an interesting evening's worth
of entertainment in the Portland area is rather difficult, given
those constraints. (Anyone who wonders what attraction gangs have in Portland
has never tried to find, as an 18-year-old, something to do on a weekday
night.) We would prefer something that involved us as people, rather than
a "show" that we simply sat down and watched. (after all, the whole purpose
of our getting together is to renew the acquaintances that lapse when we
are at our separate schools.)

So, what does Portland have to offer? What UNUSUAL things that we might
never find out about on our own? Are there nooks and crannies in the
city that we're missing? Places to explore? What sort of things do all of
those big buildings hold that aren't obvious from the outside? Is there
anything interesting within a few hours' drive of Portland that we
might want to see/experience?

Any help would be very much appreciated!

Derek Riippa Foster

P.S. Some keywords that would pique our interests: Dance (including ballroom,
especially swing). Martial arts. Fantasy (i.e. SCA, other...?) The arts
(crafts and performance), particularly ones we could participate in. Unique
dining experiences. Some kinds of trade shows. Science. Science fiction. Good
(and cheap) plays. Musicals. (Yes, we know about Les Mis and Phantom.) Short
hikes. Things literary (Yes, we know about Powell's). Places with
_atmosphere_. Games. Comedy. Interesting upcoming events. Interesting
groups of people.

P.P.S. Anybody know anything about the new OMSI?
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Civil War game
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:29:19 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

In article <1er6rnINN9ll@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> aj@ucs.orst.edu (AJ) writes:
>
>Just in case anyone wants to know, OSU lost once again to U of O at the
>civil war game.  The score: UofO-7 OSU-0 in quite a down pour of rain.
>
People wonder how I came to be a Cubs fan.
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: California Vermin
Date: 22 Nov 1992 19:08:09 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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In article <1emre0INNjtr@agate.berkeley.edu> aalto@ocf.berkeley.edu (Rolf Aalto) writes:
>I've travelled quite a bit throughout the
>US, and find it annoying that to most people, California = LA, 
>and Northern California = the Bay Area.  It is especially annoying when
>Californians do this.  Frisco is Central California!!!!   

I've been saying this for years, but people don't seem to catch on.  But I defy
anyone to take a trip to Etna, Yreka or Happy Camp and tell me what it has in 
common with LA and the Bay Area.

>	California must have been a nice place 100 years ago, but it sucks
>big time now.

Yeah, I think some of its finest residents fell into some black gooey pits
down in LA a few years back.  Hasn't been the same since.


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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Yet another 'goner...
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:44:07 GMT
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In article <CORYWEST.92Nov17161459@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> corywest@is.rice.edu (Cory West) writes:
>	Well, I can't believe my eyes :-).  I'm from Talent
>(near Medford and Ashland).  Anyone else from this area?

Yep, from Arshland.  (And how could any self-respecting person from the
Rogue Valley describe their origins in relation to *Medford* ?!)

Dontcha miss breathing smoke?


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From: srbechte@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott  Bechtel)
Subject: hi from nebraska
Summary: i'm from or
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:13:16 GMT


I am going to college here in Nebraska.  I sure do miss the hills as I
look out my window being used to seeing mount Hood whenever I used too. 
Home sweet home is missed by me...  
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:28:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174828.20560@lclark.edu> higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa) writes:
>In article <1ecmfqINNns1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.212652.9570@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>>>There's a good idea for this newsgroup!  Let's put together an FAQ for
>>>pronunciation of Oregon cities.  I cringe when I hear people 
>>>mis-pronounce Tigard.  (Correct: TIE-gard, Incorrect: tiggerd).
>>>
>>>Here's a start:
>>>Salem  SAY-lem
>>>Portland  PORT-lund.
>>>Eugene  you-GENE
>>>Oregon City  OR-uh-gun SIT-ee  (gun, not gone)
>>>Metzger  METZ-ger
>>
>>Perhaps adding Aloha and The Dalles would be appropriate.
>                ^^^^^
>How DO you pronounce it anyway?  Reason why I asked:  I'm from Hawaii. :-)
>
>-- 
>Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
>higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
>In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
>                                 --The Peter Principle

Aloha is pronounced the same way here as in Hawaii.
Paul

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From: jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo)
Subject: transplanted...
Reply-To: jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:26:43 GMT


From Aloha (few miles west of PDX) to New York City.  Now thats a 
transplant!!!  I'm missing my home state much and the worst thing
is I don't think I'll end up back there anytime soon after graduation
ho hum... A place to get a way from it all (especially being in NYC)
is what I valued most.  Trees, trees and more trees.  And I think
it's intrinsic in all Oregonians to cringe when Easterners mispronounce
our state, or-EEEEEEE-gone.  

I also miss our future 1993 NBA champs....

GO BLAZERS!!!

Jae

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:43:20 GMT

dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:

>Gosh!  And I was vain enough to be happy to see this newsgroup
>specializing in my home state's culture!  Sure looks popular!

>Culture?  We've got indians and ferners!  I'm a ferner, but my
>family's been here since the mid-1800s!

>Doesn't anyone else have greater ideas for this newsgroup than
>what my pea brain came up with???


Oregon is also the state where some sick souls came up with measure 9.


Richard.
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From: lindaa@portent.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Why Anti-California?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:37:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: portent.berkeley.edu


In article <1ebia2INNqbs@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
>Oh come now, Oregon is full of culture - just perhaps not what your
>average yuppy urbanite expects.  For my money, Oregon, culture and all,
>is the best of all worlds - urban (if that is what you want), rural,
>mountains (that's where I'm from), coast, desert, etc., etc.,  Its got
>it all, and if we can manage to keep the Californians from flooding in,
>there is no state that rivals it, IMHO.  

As a transplanted Californian, I'm curious as to why the anti-Californian
sentiment is so strong in Oregon.  I've read about it often, but have not
actually experienced this feeling during my visits to Portland (or is 
Portland akin to San Francisco in that it is not representative of the
state as a whole?)  

By the way, I friend who is a native Oregonian stated to me that the only
people who get fired up over Californians moving to their state were once
Californians as well....

Linda

P.S.:  Did you netters know that there was a very popular show in Japan
	called "Oregon kara Ai" ("Love from Oregon")?

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Subject: Anti-Californian Sentiment?
Summary: 
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Distribution: world
Organization: 
Keywords: 


In article <1ebia2INNqbs@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
>Oh come now, Oregon is full of culture - just perhaps not what your
>average yuppy urbanite expects.  For my money, Oregon, culture and all,
>is the best of all worlds - urban (if that is what you want), rural,
>mountains (that's where I'm from), coast, desert, etc., etc.,  Its got
>it all, and if we can manage to keep the Californians from flooding in,
>there is no state that rivals it, IMHO.  

As a transplanted Californian, I'm curious as to why the anti-Californian
sentiment is so strong in Oregon.  I've read about it often, but have not
actually experienced this feeling during my visits to Portland (or is 
Portland akin to San Francisco in that it is not representative of the
state as a whole?)  

By the way, I friend who is a native Oregonian stated to me that the only
people who get fired up over Californians moving to their state were once
Californians as well....

Linda

P.S.:  Did you netters know that there was a very popular show in Japan
	called "Oregon kara Ai" ("Love from Oregon")?

-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
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