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From:         feuchtwa@SFU.CA
Subject: User-Interfaces: Different Strokes
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              at Aug 19, 92 3:41 pm

Different types of users want different types of interface, it seems
clear.  So why should it be a case of either/or?  Why not both?
This reminds me of a question:  Which is the best microcomputer
operating system, MacDOS or PC-DOS?  Answer:  AmigaDOS!  (Many
operations can be performed in a command-line mode, in an
icon-click mode, and in a menu-select mode, with AmigaDOS.)

cheers,
                        Martin Feuchtwanger
Department of Geography
Simon Fraser University        internet:   feuchtwa@sfu.ca
Burnaby, B.C.                     phone:   604.291.4556
V5A 1S6          Canada             fax:   604.291.5841
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: RE GIS interfaces
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:27:05 GMT

Gee, I am really sorry. In all past and future postings please read
he or she for an instance of he or she. Since I have no secretary, I
am insensitive to this point.

If you think kerning is dead, I suggest you speak to the publishers who
are asking authors to produce manuscripts which are kerned.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Subject:      RE: FAQ?

Lassen Sie sich die <info> message vom Listserver schicken und bestellen
Sie die LISTFAQ MEMO, vielleicht hilft's weiter.  F.H., Dresden (Sachsen)
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Sorry to the community answering newcomers from Germany directly. - FH
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From: russell@esri.oz.au (Russell East)
Subject: Re:      Re: Minimum configuration for Arc/Info?
Reply-To: russell@esri.oz.au (Russell East)
Organization: ESRI Australia Pty Ltd
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:57:57 GMT

In article <9208121611.AA15181@govonca.gov.on.ca>,         Bob Maher <maherb@GOV.ON.CA> writes:
|> A DECstation 5000-25 should do the trick for Arc/Info provided you are
|> not planning on running version 6.0 of the software.  To my knowledge,
|> ESRI has not ported the latest release to the DEC/ultrix platform.
|> 
|> Whatever you do, be sure to get enough RAM - while Arc/Info will run
|> with 8MB it is  s l o w.  I would suggest looking at 16MB as an operational
|> minimum and get disk space (lots of it because ULTRIX is a hog).

Hmmm,  we've been shipping Rev 6.0.1 for DECstation since about May/June...
You're right about the RAM and disk though.

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From: charles@essential.org (Charles Bennington)
Subject: Re: RE GIS interfaces
Organization: Essential Information, Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.211509.27316@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble) writes:
|> Ah, but let us keep in mind that having the capability of doing something
|> is not the same as being able to do it. Perhaps you might ask your
|> secretary to explain how kerning is applied via her word processor...

Kerning is probably as outdated a concept as assuming that my secretary would
be a woman.  Kerning (and leading -- another term which people using computer
typesetting often encounter) is an archaic hangover from the days of manual
typesetting.  Would it not be fair to expect that many GIS terms (which were
perhaps derived from manual cartography) will go the same way?

I would like to see people using GIS as actively as they use desktop publishing.
There is no reason to expect that this will not happen as long as current
developers and users of GIS are aware that they are merely scratching the
surface and work towards fostering a more flexible interface.

-- 
Charles Bennington
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:28:58 BST
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From:         swsdyce@SUSSSYS1.READING.AC.UK
Subject:      Zambia
X-To:         mark@geog5.umd.edu
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Dear Mark Heinicke

Many thanks for the information.
Things are happening here.
The Operational side of the aid for southern africa is
starting up. I think the best place for the GIS side of things
is in Zambia itself. Unfortunately my budget doesn't run to
a trip down there. However !!! the guy who is the coordinator for the
southern district is a friend of mine

	Jeff Lockwood
	AFRICARE
	PO BOX 33921
	LUSAKA
	ZAMBIA

	FAX : 260 1226200
	no email sorry.

All the data sources we need are in the various government
departments. It makes more sense for him to chase things up
than to spend aid money getting me down there to do it for him.

I'll be forwarding any info or data I get on to him. If you like
you could try to contact him direct.

Sad that having started this it looks like I'm not going to get
my hands dirty doing the work for them. Jeff will need a GIS
expert but I expect he will find some one at one of the educational
institions in country.

I am also leaving  this site ( Reading UK ) to return to Australia
at the end of August. hopefully I'll be back on the net soon.

once again thanks for your help and remember


Where ever you go.... Thats where you are ....

Regards

Peter dyce .
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From: osycs@giac1.oscs.montana.edu (Craig Spannring)
Subject: Re: ESRI phone number or e-mail address??
Keywords: n
Organization: Geographic Information & Analysis Center Montana State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:45:51 GMT

And the email address is support@esri.com.

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From:         Aaron Crane <ACRANE@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      GIS Interfaces

2 cents more:

        Window based interfaces are great (especially on a quick machine) for
exploratory type analysis.  But some sort of "Batch-job" mechanism must be
provided to implement standard or common jobs.  One example of
this exists in a statistical package for MS-Windows: SPSS.  The user can
work with the windows and generate commands to be run later.

Aaron Crane.
acrane@macc.wisc.edu
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Subject: SUMMARY: GPS discussions
From: brownt1@lincoln.ac.nz
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:58:08 +1200


Thanks to all those who replied to my query concerning the discussion of 
GPS systems.

From:	IN%"Coleman@censis.utas.edu.au" 17-AUG-1992 12:58:47.62
>There is a Listserver discussion group called CANSPACE which deals with GPS
>issues, but conversation has been fairly limited.  If you wish, you can
>subscribe to CANSPACE by contacting "Listserver@UNB.CA" and leaving the
>following message in the main body of the note...
>           SUBSCRIBE CANSPACE <your name>
>
>I understand that the astronomy and amateur radio newsgroups sometimes have
>discussions on the subject as well.

You may contact Richard Langley at LANG@UNB.CA about how to join his
GPS related mailing list CANSPACE.

The CANSPACE list has a number of other features, including a file by mail 
service, all this is covered in the article,

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   Subject: GPS Info and Data
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if you can't track this down I can mail it to you.

Apparently rec.boats also features GPS occaisionally.

Cheers -tb
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From:         swsdyce@SUSSSYS1.READING.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Re GIS in southern Zambia
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Attention Nigel Waters at uncamult

Sorry to write publicly, I'm haveing trouble with
your bitnet address.

My address here is

	Peter Dyce
	Operations Manager
        TAMSAT,
        Department of Meteorology
        2 Earley Gate
        Reading Berkshire.
        United Kingdom.
        RG6 2AU

        Fax +734 352604

I'd be most grateful if you would send the article you mentioned
to me.

Thanks for your help so far.

Regards Peter Dyce.
From: HEUVELMANS@ZEUS.LNV.AGRO.NL
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Subject: Re: GIS interfaces
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:55:00 GMT
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We did build a generic GIS userinterface to be used with arc/info.
Though this interface is to be ment generic is is specifically to be
used by the cartographers at the drawing-room.
The UI-problem paradox is they are either generic, resulting in a
complex bulk of many commands and the problem changes from
reminding the exact command and parameters into remembering the
menu-location of the desired command or the UI is to dedicated to be
used by anyone except by the group of specialists who it is intendet
for.
In either case to build a user-interface that works you need both,
good (interface)programmers and specialists who are familiar with the
discipline and the users who will use the user-interface.
And of course a lot of time and money.

Jef

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Jef Heuvelmans
Cartography Section
Ministry of Agriculture, Nature Management and Fisheries
Government Service for Land and Water Use
Po.box 20021, 3502 LA Utrecht
The Netherlands

E-mail: HEUVELMANS@zeus.lnv.agro.nl
Phone : +31 30.852809
Fax   : +31 30.891864/+31 30.870305
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Who are we doing all this for anyway ??
From: julien@scs.leeds.ac.uk (J C Flack)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Image Analysis Systems (IAS) --> GIS
Keywords: IAS, GIS
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:57:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies

I am interested in how GIS users obtain their data.

I know that there are links between GIS and IAS (such as the Erdas-ARC/INFO
live link) and that there are some hybrid systems (e.g. Intergraph Tigris).
What I would like to know:

	o	What sort of analysis the IAS parts of such systems focus on,
		(i.e. extracting linear features, soil type ...) and how 
		the interaction with the user is handled.

	o	Are the users satisfied with the tasks such systems do ?
		(in terms of *analysis* only). Are there data acquisition
		tasks you can't do ? 

Please make sure you don't upset anyone with your comments --- email only for
criticisms with product names attached.

Thanks,

---
Julien Flack,
Leeds University.
email:julien@scs.leeds.ac.uk
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From:         Clint Brown <esri!hank!clint@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      ARC/INFO release status
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Due to the large number of queries appearing on GIS-L on the release
status of ARC/INFO as well as the hardware requirements, we thought we
would provide definitive release information to reduce confusion and
unnecessary email.

The following table summarizes the release status of ARC/INFO Rev
6.0.1, ARC/INFO Rev 6.1, and ArcView 1.0 on the supported platforms as
well as the supported Operating System for each of these platforms.

Platforms	Operating	Rev 6.0.1 	Rev 6.1		ArcView
		System		Availability	Availability	Availability

DG AViiON	DG-UX 5.4.1	Feb 14, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	September 1992
DECStation	ULTRIX 4.2	May 4, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	Apr 6, 1992
HP 300/400	HP-UX 8.0	May 26, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	Aug 24, 1992
HP 700/8x7	HP-UX 8.05 	Mar 23, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	Mar 30, 1992
		HP-UX 8.02 	Mar 23, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	Mar 30, 1992
IBM RS6000	AIX 3.2		Mar 30, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	September 1992
SiliconGraphics	IRIX 4.0.2	May 26, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	Apr 20, 1992
Sun4/SPARC	SunOS 4.1.1	Jan 22, 1992	Aug 10, 1992	Feb 10, 1992

DEC VAX		VMS 5.5		N/A		Late Q4, 1992	Q4, 1992
(Limited test release started August 1)

PCs		MS Windows 3	N/A		N/A		June 8, 1992

Future release information and specifications for specific hardware
requirements for each platform should be obtained from your regional
office, local distributor (internationally), or ESRI-Redlands (voice:
714-793-2853, Fax:  714-793-5953).

Clint Brown
Nathalie Hernandez
ESRI-Redlands
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From:         "C.Hobson" <TR1CAH@PRIMEA.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Can anyone tell me about IDRISI?
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Try emailing cti@leicester for info on Idrisi.  They sent me some datasets
from NCGIA to try out, along with the two basic disks.  I seem to
remember these were complimentary copies.

Chris Hobson
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From:         feuchtwa@SFU.CA
Subject:      The Future of International Conferences (AC & ISSDH)
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              22, 92 12:11 am

My thoughts on AutoCarto and ISSDH

It is a very good idea to have a few conferences that have a special
focus on one or two issues, rather than on "everything to do with GIS."
It's especially useful to have some that focus on relatively advanced
technical issues.  In this respect, the AutoCarto and ISSDH conferences
have done well.

Considering the international interest in GIS technology and the
probably fairly large number of "advanced technical" papers that crop
up in the "anything goes" GIS conferences, there IS enough material
for an annual, international AC/SDH-type conference.

While it is possible to make a distinction between computer-aided
cartography -- focussing on using the computer to assist in the design
and production of "traditional" maps -- on the one hand, and "true" GIS
technology -- focussing on geo-data processing, analysis, and management --
on the other hand, i'm not sure it's easy or wise to try to keep the
two apart in separate, alternating conferences.  Besides, although
the names suggest it, i don't think AutoCarto or ISSDH have kept
those two specific focusses distinct.

What should the conference series be called, and who should organize
or sponsor it?  If there are any uppity folk who say that "AutoCarto"
is owned by Americans and the conference should remain in America,
fine, let's use a new (more descriptive?) name and have it run
internationally.  Candidate names: GeoProcessing'99, GeoMatics'99,
GIS-Tech'99, etc.  Candidate international organizations who ought to
be able to cooperate in the venture:  FIG, IGU, ICA, ISPRS, SORSA,
etc.

Finally, on a slightly separate but related issue -- conference proceedings.
Most such proceedings are a misnomers:  they are produced *before* the
conference begins, not after.  They are prEceedings.  The ideal situation,
naturally costing more time and money, is to have prEceedongs of
papers to be presented, distributed to attendees prior to the conference;
to have the conference, with its presentations and in-depth discussions;
and then to widely publish the prOceedings, a compilation of
post-conference-edition papers and moderated discussions.  Quality
international conferences of experts deserve such attention.

cheers,
                        Martin Feuchtwanger
Department of Geography
Simon Fraser University        internet:   feuchtwa@sfu.ca
Burnaby, B.C.                     phone:   604.291.4556
V5A 1S6          Canada             fax:   604.291.5841
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:56:38 -0500
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From:         Markku.Peltoniemi@HUT.FI
Subject:      Re: How to contact MapInfo? -reply
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>    Does anyone know the mail or e-mail address or fax number to
>    MapInfo Corp.?  Preferably all of these, but any information
>    is greatly appreciated.
>
>    Mikko Lindholm
>    mlindholm@cc.helsinki.fi

Osoitetiedot:
MapInfo Corp.
200 Broadway
Troy, NY 12180, USA
phone: 518-274 8673
FAX: 518-274 0510

Tiedot ovat l{hteest{ 1991-92 International GIS Sourcebook'.

Terveisin
Markku Peltoniemi
______________________________________________

Markku Peltoniemi
Helsinki University of Technology, TKK-V
Lab. of Engineering Geology and Geophysics
SF-02150 Espoo, FINLAND
fax: intl + 358 - 0 - 451 2660     voice: intl + 358 - 0 - 451 2730
Internet: Markku.Peltoniemi@hut.fi
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From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: GIS Interfaces
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:53:49 GMT
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle



I think it's fine for academic people to propose that business people
vending GIS systems should read lots of papers and peruse bibliogra-
phies, but it just ain't gonna happen, folks.  You can be as reserved
and diplomatic as you like, but if you insist on not naming names and
otherwise hoping by implication to make your points, you will not get
results.

Now I understand why the GIS interfaces are so questionable:  those
who know do not talk, and those who talk apparently do not know.
Great Taoist philosophy, poor way to affect industrial change.  At 
the 1990 NATO meeting on GIS interfaces, Intergraph scientist John
Herring was something of a fish out of water and (I believe) dis-
mayed at the generally disgruntled crowd.  He was probably taken by
surprise.

Ah well, maybe it's the medium.  Too cool?

Bob Jacobson
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From: vernon@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Gregory Scott Vernon)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:41:26 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <GIS-L%92081708535106@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> MNHAN040@SIVM.BITNET (mnhan040@sivm) writes:
> Many folks here at SI would prefer 'better' GIS interfaces, although sugges-
>tions are usually in general terms.  That is, some would like to see a Mac menu
>on the Unix screen, or at least a 'natural language' command system rather than
>sending logical but cryptic notes to the computer..............................

Making a user interface easier is all well and good, but it can cause
problems worse than the one(s)  it fixed.

A Mac-like menu might be fine for neophytes, but those that are adept at
computing systems might be driven insane by the inflexibility of the
menus.

Having used both the Mainframe (yech!) batch mode version of VICAR/IBIS and
the vax version, which was iteractive.  I'd have to say I was able to
get my work done far more efficiently using the Mainframe version and
setting up jobs to go one after the other while I was off doing more
photo-interp work.

I'd say a Mac-lile menu system would be fine for GISs that didn't do
a whole lot, but if you want to get more complex in your building and
querying of a GIS, you need an appropriate way in which to do that.

Greg

Greg Vernon  Engineering Standards Distribution System |  An Earth is a
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