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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: Restraints for Skydivers
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:32:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.023507.6184@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>No, I don't mean leather and chains, I mean seatbelts and such.

(stuff deleted)

>hmm, I have just enough leather and chain for three limbs,
>that leaves one free....

That last line really creates a lot of funny images in my mind :-) :-)

And it reminds me.. I've always wondered why nobody ever made a suitably
pornographic movie called "There I was .. Skydiving hard .. "

Just think of all the ...

I guess I've been writing too many test plans lately .. sigh

Skratch

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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Whuffo Q&A
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:01:14 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <BxI77z.GA7@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:

>What could have a S&TA have done?  Called up his local dz and told on
>him?  Ground him at *that* dz?  Kick him out of the USPA?
>
>hmmm... not that I'm planning any similar stunts, but what can an S&TA do?

It's not uncommon for the S&TA at a meet to throw someone out for low pulls.
Do not pass go, collect $200, or get any of your entry fee back. I was at the 
World Meet at Z-Hills in 81 and some of the Marana guys were fed up. Instead of
just leaving they *really* hummed a two way to intentionally get thrown out. 
It's always wierd to hear canopies open at the same time that you see them 
opening.


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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Rigs on Airlines?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:11:13 GMT

Most airlines don't have a problem with it, however if just one staff member
is uncertain then the decision goes to the Captain.  I have been refused once
(an American Airlines I think)  Fortunately I didn't really want to leave
anayway.  Good luck (Maine is pretty cold this time of year isn't it?)

Bobby Magee
D-371
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca

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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Whuffo Q&A
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:07:09 GMT

Daniel Briggs (dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu) wrote:
: been "long term repercussions" no matter where he was.)  Over the course of
: the weekend, he just started pulling lower and lower.  The last jump of the
: weekend he dumped at maybe 700 or 800 feet.  I happen to see it myself, and
: it was indeed pretty low.  Quite a number of people saw it, in fact,
: including the S&TA who chewed him out pretty good, but let him off with a
: warning.

What could have a S&TA have done?  Called up his local dz and told on
him?  Ground him at *that* dz?  Kick him out of the USPA?

hmmm... not that I'm planning any similar stunts, but what can an S&TA do?
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From: tupper@athena.mit.edu (Tristram T Hyde)
Subject: Re: Vomit Comet
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:59:55 GMT

NASA uses a KC-135 (Boeing 707) at Houston, and a Lear Jet at NASA Lewis
(Cleveland, OH).  The KC-135 (the Vomit Comet) gets about 40 sec zero-G
and the Lear about 20 sec.  The pilot flies the parabolic trajectory while
looking at 3 LEDs that are hooked to an accelerometer in the mid-section of 
the plane (he trys to keep the middle one lit).

Im not sure how much of an improvement this gives over the pilot using his
own built in g-sensor (the seat pressing on his butt), but it might be
significant enough to warrant such a system on your proposed civilian aircraft.

They do about 40 zero-g episodes per flight.  If've heard the 2-g in between zero-g
sections is what makes you sick.

I've got a quote from NASA Lewis on the Lear ($1500/flight) , so $4000/flight
for an airliner sounds about right.

Good Luck. 
Blue Skies, Tupper
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From: hubertc@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Hung-Hsien Hubert Chang)
Subject: S.F or Bay Area
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:09:25 GMT

Hi! I would like to have some information about the club
or place that people can do skydiving in San Franscio or
Bay area.

Thanks.

Hubert
hubertc@cory.berkeley.edu 

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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Whuffo Q&A
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:44:14 GMT

Daniel Briggs (dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu) wrote:
: >hmmm... not that I'm planning any similar stunts, but what can an S&TA do?
: 
: Or is that not true in your experience?

I've never seen an S&TA spot a low-pull so consequently, I've never
seen one be in the position to try and ground a low-puller.

Be sure, when I see one, I'll buy a case  :-)
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From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Falling objects...
Originator: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:15:07 GMT

MELBOURNE, Fla. (UPI) -- The glistening green and brown frozen object
that slammed through the roof of a house Monday fell from the sky, but
was anything but a meteorite, investigators quickly learned.

Embarassed police and fire officials discovered the object, which was
slightly larger than a basketball was in fact waste from an airplane
toilet.

``It's by far the weirdest call I've done,'' said police officer
Ralph Reichard, who has been a policeman for four months.

``We were on routine patrol, and several witnesses flagged us down
and said a green and brown ball had fallen from the sky,'' he said.

Reichard said when he arrived at the home of Anthony and Jamie
Perrie, he saw a 3-foot by 3-foot hole in the barrel tile roof.

Delores Wolfe, who works for the family as a nanny was surprised to
see the police at the door, telling the officers she thought the noise
was the ironing board falling over.

Reichard said he went upstairs to the master bedroom.

``There was a green sphere-like object that had entered the master
bedroom, leaving a 12-inch by 12-inch hole in the ceiling,'' he said.

``The fire department's hazardous materials team was then requested.''

The team conducted several tests, including a test for radioactivity
with a geiger counter.

Reichard was reluctant to reveal exactly when the real nature of the
block became apparent, but admitted there was ``some laughing.''

Neither Wolfe nor the family's 16-month-old son were injured.

``Some softball-sized chunks also split off when it hit the roof, and
damaged the screened porch as well,'' Reichard said.

As officers placed the mass into a cooler to preserve it, the Federal
Aviation Administration was contacted.

``They said they didn't want it,'' the officer said. ``They are
looking into it, but they told us if the aircraft was flying at more
than 30,000 feet, they'd have no way of telling who dropped it.''

FAA officials were unavailable for comment late Monday.
From: jno3190@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (John N. Otakie)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Rigs on airplanes
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:32:24 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <17355@mindlink.bc.ca>, Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee) writes:
> There was an Aloha  Air commercial liner that lost a chunk of fuselage while
> enroute.  

Yeah, it was a 737 that lost most of its upper fuselage from behind the cockpit
to just ahead of the vertical tail!

> I can imagine the terror of the passengers, it must have seemed
> as if the plane was disintegrating around them.  

I don't doubt for a minute that a lot of skydivers would be thinking very 
seriously about getting out right about then, myself included.

> Far fetched? Maybe.......but
> which one would you rather be.  It would be the greatest irony to die in a
> plane crash with your rig stowed and out of reach.

In this case the greatest irony might have been if the skydiver had left.
Assuming he or she didn't hit the wing or tail or an engine on the way out,
they would have ended up under canopy 25 miles out to sea (where the incident
occurred) while the plane with its "doomed" whuffo passengers makes its miracu-
lous safe return and landing.  Time for a demo onto the nearest boat!

BTW, someone was speculating about whether it would be possible to get to a
door or emergency exit and jump out in an emergency.  If the plane hasn't
lost cabin pressure yet then stay put, because the doors physically cannot be
opened.  If you could open a door, you still might not know if you would clear
the tail (as that would largely be a function of the plane's airspeed and 
angle of attack).

All this is not to say I wouldn't try it!  :-)

Party hard, land soft.

John O.  d-11309

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From: gogo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Mark Gogolewski)
Subject: More on Ravens...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:48:31 GMT


In reference to Daniel Briggs article on slow-openning Raven's, 
I thouht I'd add my two cents.  I have been jumping a fairly old
Raven 3 for about 80 jumps or so.  It has what cameraman John
'Wadman' Wadsworth affectionally refers to as 'the G-string'
slider.  As you might imagine, the slider essentially has no
surface area.  I bought the canopy soon after getting off student
status in July.  When I first started packing it, I gave it a
tandem-style pack job - I inserted the center cell and rolled 
both halves inward.  Being sick of backbreaking opennings on
the student rigs (which had been intensionally packed that way),
I was searching for a slow openning.

And I got it.

About the third time I jumpd it, I snivelled from 3000 ft down 
to about - oh - I'd say 2000 ft.  Much like Dan, my hands crept 
towards my cutaway and reserve rip-cord.  Now, I barely even roll
the nose at all, and I consistently get VERY nice slow, consistent
opennings on heading.

Now, if only I could get a canopy that would make the ride down as 
much fun as the free-fall :^).....sigh....

Blue Skies, and consistent opennings,

Mark Gogolewski
gogo@leland.Stanford.EDU
From: hleaves@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Re:Rigs on airplanes
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:20:50 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

So, your plane's going down, but you've got your rig with you under the seat.
What would you do? Jump or ride it down? Is the crew going to let walk you over
to an exit, open the door, and jump? I have a feeling they would probably
physically restrain you from doing this if you tried it. Opening the door of a
plane in flight (even a plane about to crash) would be considered a danger to
the rest of the passengers and crew left on the plane. Of course, everybody
might be so panicked that nobody would notice you walking over to the door.
Maybe you just want to take a look at the world before you die, right?

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From: taylor@hardy.u.washington.edu (Allen D. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Whuffo Q&A
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:13:51 GMT

In article <BxIv5r.Exq@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
>
>I've never seen an S&TA spot a low-pull so consequently, I've never
>seen one be in the position to try and ground a low-puller.
>
>Be sure, when I see one, I'll buy a case  :-)
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>/_____________\      46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160, Dulles, VA 20166
>

Ok, so this was over twenty years ago.  :-) His name was Scratch.  He
always pulled low.  Usually between 1 to 1.5 K.  One day our club S&TA,
Butch, had had it with trying to get Scratch to pull at 2 K.  He tells
Scratch, "It's you and me.  A two way from 7.5, When I pull at 2.5K and
get under canopy. I had better look UP and see you under canopy or your
out of this club!" A serious threat as the next DZ was 80 miles away. 
Plus we got about 2/3 of our jumps free.  Anyway, into the C172, up to
7.5, good two way (Hey, in those days ten way stars still made the
newspaper), Butch pulls, gets camopy, looks up, no Scratch.  Butch was
royally pissed when he spotted Scratches canopy blossoming at about 700'.

However, Scratch had dumped at 2.5.  He had a partial inflation (Oh, did I
forget, we were all jumping Paracommander Competions, the hotest chute
around &-} ) Which he fought down to 700 where it finally blossomed.  When
Scratch got down and figured out how long he had fought with the PC and
where he would have been had he pulled low (something like minus 800 feet)
he sat down on the club house steps and smoked a pack of cigarettes. 
Refused to talk to anyone.  Finally, he thanked Butch and never pulled low
again. 

Anyway, 20 plus years ago, thats what a good S&TA could do.

--Allen

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Restraints for Skydivers
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:35:07 GMT

No, I don't mean leather and chains, I mean seatbelts and such.

In the latest USPA Parachutist, there is mention of easy to use 
restraints for use in the perfectly serviceable airplane. Easy 
to use, built into the harness types.

When Don Kirlin was here several weeks ago, he was telling us
about discussioons he'd had with some FAA folk about such stuff,
and they liked the idea. Apparently Booth and Strong have both 
worked on designs, but never seriously pursued them, but Don 
was of the opinion that we'd be seeing them before too long.
Seems it would be especially easy to attach a Flexon to the
floor of a Valzez, er, airplane.

What do y'all think? Anyone out there know any 'behind the scenes'
stufff about what's going on with serious R&D?

Tim


hmm, I have just enough leather and chain for three limbs,
that leaves one free....

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From: esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Get a Sabre!
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:14:02 GMT


>Does anyone have a story of a radical move collapsing or malfunctioning a canopy?

A friend just got herself a sabre. She has over 2000 jumps, and decided it was
time to go zp. 

She also liked to stall her canopies. Alot. 

She stalled her sabre once, it came out in a stall turn, lines twisted 
from the risers up.... She couldn't raise her head to look up. Had to cutaway.

I nearly cutaway from a sabre once when deliberatly stall turning it, for 
the same reasons (line twists caused by the spin) 

Ej



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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Rigs on Airlines?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:09:26 GMT

If you read the ticket you were issued you will see that the maximum coverage
(depending on whether foreign or domestic carrier) ranges between $500 and
$1,000.  When returning from Fla with my new tandem rig (too big to fit under
seat) I tried to upgrade the damage coverage.  No go, the option was not even
available.  I finally produced the receipts showing $7,200 Cdn. value and
they let me carry it on and put it in the garment closet.  I told the flight
attendant, if we had to jump I would take her with me, hah not even a smile.

The bottom line is, if you check your rig and it gets damaged, you might find
it extremely difficult to get sufficient funds to fix it properly.  In the
last two years my bags have been places I never have on two seperate trips.
Computers don't screw up, people do. |^}

Bobby Magee
D-371
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca

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From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Rigs on Airlines?
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:18:17 GMT

henchel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric Hench) writes:
>Anyone know what the policy actually is regarding rigs as
>carry-on items on commercial airlines.  Does it vary from airline
>to airline?  Specifically, what is United's policy.  I'm certainly
>no D.B. Cooper, and I sure as hell don't wan't the baggage handlers
>tossing my rig around.  Most importantly, I'd have to kill someone if
>I got to Colorado and my rig ended up in Maine.
>

I think most of the problems I've heard of arise from the security
gate where they x-ray carry ons

-Eric

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From: mpreval@eng.clemson.edu (michael prevallet)
Subject: Dixie Skydivers
Reply-To: mpreval@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:19:33 GMT

Keywords: 


I'm a current member of the Dixie Skydivers at Clemson University.  We are compiling a news letter to send to our past and current members.  If you are one of these and would like a copy. Please email me and let me know you adress and we will send you one as soon as they come off the presses.

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: Rigs on airplanes
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:35:22 GMT

In article <BxIvrq.FB7@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
[scenarios deleted]
>
>Either scenario is highly unlikely.

This reminds me...  Guy I work with jokes that your chances of being
on a plane with a bomb are 1 in X million. Your chances of being on 
a plane with *two* bombs is 1 in 10 * X billion (or whatever); so, 
always carry a bomb.

Can you imagine the look on the security person's face if you explained 
the possibility of being in a plane that breaks up in flight while you
had a parachute handy? Come prepared with multi-colored charts, and a 
thesis to defend at your destination.


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Tim
I have a new PC game called Amazon; the pilot of what looks like a DC-3
on one screen, and a Beech 18 when it crashes, tries to throw you out 
of the plane. There is a cargo chute without a harness, so I tried to 
use it. I hit the jungle floor at *140* MPH. Must have been a commie
aerodynamic accelerator, eh? The solution to the screen involves chickens,
and the pilot makes the skydive. Pretty cool graphics, though he gets too
much forward throw. And they don't show him go in. After he goes, you use
the parachute to open the cokpit door, and crash land the airplane. If I'd 
never been in the cockpit of a Beech 18, it would have taken a while to 
out what to do in the cockpit. Good thing I jump. Mom still isn't convinced,
but then, she didn't buy the game.


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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Whuffo Q&A
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 23:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.181054.22075@ncar.ucar.edu>
  jan@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Jan Stewart) writes:

>Q - How do you know when to pull your parachute?
>A - When you can see people on the ground pointing at you.

You know, this one is almost too close to reality to be included with the
rest of the (funny) Q&A.  I have a friend who decided a while ago that he
wanted to see what low pulls were all about.  (Yeah, maybe not too bright,
but that's not the point here.)  His logic was that he didn't want to get
yelled at at home, where there might be long term repercussions, so he
waited til a trip to Eloy.  (And yes, if he had gone in, there would have
been "long term repercussions" no matter where he was.)  Over the course of
the weekend, he just started pulling lower and lower.  The last jump of the
weekend he dumped at maybe 700 or 800 feet.  I happen to see it myself, and
it was indeed pretty low.  Quite a number of people saw it, in fact,
including the S&TA who chewed him out pretty good, but let him off with a
warning.  He went through normal dump altitude, put his hand on the throw
out handle, and focused on the ground.  He claims to have been watching a
cluster of three people on the grass, who also noticed him.  The middle guy
pointed at him.  Later on, that fellow came up to him and said something
like "Hey man, you really dumped low today."  My friend looked at him and
replied, "Yah, I know.  And you were standing on the grass with two friends
and pointing at me."

Life imitates fiction?

BTW, I'll decline any request for names, since I think he's pretty much
gotten it out of his system.

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Amigo?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:02:24 GMT

Jumped one, anybody?

I am probably going to order one as soon as I decide I can.
Just looking for comments.

TIm

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