HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: It's Hangin' Time!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:04:09 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
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In article <1ijkdiINN34h@shelley.u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>>        Now that it over and the life of Westley Allen Dodd is over I
>>would like to give an opinion as seen by one who is Japanese. 
>
>Aside from you being Japanese, I'm not sure what Dodd hanging 
>has to do with s.c.j.  To inject some relevance (IMO), I'll 
>add that there is capital punishment in Japan and that there
>is only one method of execution: death by hanging (koushikei).
>
>BTW, whatever happened to the infamous child killer Miya..(something)?
>Was he hanged?  How frequent is execution in Japan?
>


According to the book the Enigma of Japanese Power it is much more
common than anyone knows because it is *never* reported in the
Japanese press. I'd have to look it up but I remember it as being
*estimated* (I think by Amnesty International or some such) as
something on the order of 1 to 3 executions (by hanging, the only
method) per year.
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From: hishimoda@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Recommend History Books/Authors?
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:03:19 +1000
Organization: Vassar College


Mina-san, choto te o kashite kudasai.....

I'm interested in Japanese history between Perry and the early years of Meji,
perhaps as a potential thesis for my history degree. I can't help but think
that most see the modernization of Japan as a smooth and voluntary process,
which is anything but true. These years were highly turbulent, with many
paradoxical factions and colorful figures fighting it out to lead the country
in times of crucial change.

ANYWAY, I'd like to get cracking on some preliminary research (I'm only a 
sophomore). Some of the figures in Japanese history I respect are John
Whiteny Hall (Yale?) and Donald Keeene at Columbia. If there are any
Japanese history buffs out there (particularly of the time frame I described),
can they PLEASE lead me to some sources and other leading authorities in 
this field (both American and Japanese, of course --- I can read Japanese)?

If you think that you can be of help, please take a moment to drop me a line
e-mail....as I proceed with this research, I'm sure I'll be begging for more
assistance from you Netters ;-)

My thanks to all,
Hiraku Shimoda
Vassar College '95 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan

>Before you condemn the western powers for insisting upon extraterritoriality,

How about condemning them for thinking they had the right to be there in
the first place, extraterritoriality or not?

In any case, your analogy to the US slave practice is disgusting.
Slaves were mistreated, starved and murdered with impunity.  Laws
against such practices were for show only, and were so rarely enforced
that they might as well not have existed.  When a famous Polish general
(I wish I could remember his name, he is one of the guys who helped
train the original US troops) stayed with Washington he made a note in his
diary that Washington's slaves (yes boys and girls, he had them, so did
Jefferson, Madison and a few others) were treated worse than Russian
peasants!  A little reading of Russian history or fiction will clue you
in to how bad THAT was.

While I know little specifics, my understanding is that China (though
perhaps not Japan) had similar laws about the treatment of serfs which
were similarly ignored.  The point is that all powers invoved, Western
and Asian, were actively involved in abusing the rights of various
groups of people for the profit of a few.  No one, not even the US, can
can escape this fact.

--arne (Guess I had too much chili powder in my fajitas at lunch... :-)
From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: FLASH NEWS!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:29:15 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

In article <1993Jan6.190759.19498@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>I am also told that the announcement was made because the news was
>disclosed by Washington Post.  If that is the case, then it has
>repeated the precedent of the current Emperor's marriage.

I think the current Emperor's case was different. Japanese newspapers
made an agreement not to report the engagement, but weeukly journals
were free from the agreement. The weekly magazine "Syuukan Myouzyou (
Weekly Venus)" scooped the marriage. The reporter was believed to be
Mr. Tosiyuki Kaziyama, who became famous as a novel writer afterward.

Yasuaki Nakano
From: Tetsu YONEZAWA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: *Subaru Gone?*
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:30:03 GMT
Organization: SIC - EPFL

In article <LuJ4wB14w165w@tsoft.net> bbs.lar@tsoft.net (Larry Greenfield)
writes:
 >  But what I didn't know was a small mention of Subaru in this week's
>Time magazine. It said that Subaru (Fuji Heavy Industry) motors is slowly 
>being absorbed by Nissan. I had never heard of this before. Can someone 
>give some more information on this? Is this correct?  Will Subaru become 
>part of Nissan,or what?

Yes, the condition of Subaru (Fuji Heavy Indsutry) is not so good.
Subaru has already some relationships with Nissan, I've heard once
that "Subaru Justy" and "Nissan March (Micra)" have many same components,
and in Subaru's factory, Nissans are made.  This is a very common 
knowledge about the relationship between Nissan and Subaru.

But, now Subaru can sell many "Legacy"s and I think "SVX" will be 
succeeded.  So, Subaru will be Subaru, not will become a part of Nissan,
but the relationship will become stronger because of the economy of 
motor companies.

tetsu yonezawa from switzerland.

I think SVX is tres bien.
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Recommend History Books/Authors?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:13:33 -0800 (PST)
Organization: University of Washington
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To: Hank Cohen <hank@westford.ccur.com>
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The incident in Kobe is rather famous, and to classify it as the
samurai ``having killed or injured some rude British sailors'' is
somewhat inaccurate.

After Japan was opened up to the world, there was a great deal of
anti-foreign sentiment.  A number of secret societies formed, both
against foreigners and against the Tokugawa bakufu (feudal military
dictatorship).  ``Revere the emperor/Expel the foreigners'' became a
slogan.  Furthermore, there was the whole matter of the status of the
samurai; remember, they had the right to kill anyone for any reason
(or for no reason at all) without question.

The foreign settlement on Kobe was attacked by a group of soldiers
under command of a local samurai, against the bakufu's strict orders.
Even as the foreigners were fleeing, the rogue samurai continued
shooting at them.

Although the responsible samurai was ordered to commit seppuku, he was
held in a great deal of sympathy since he acted out of nationalistic
feelings, and consequently his seppuku ceremony was of the highest and
most honored level.  A foreign delegation was attended as witnesses,
and thus it was recorded for posterity in western sources.  The
western observers were quite impressed with nobility of character and
courage he displayed during the seppuku.

You may have confused the Kobe incident with the one in which Shimazu
Saburo^, the daimyo^ regent of Satsuma-han, had a couple of foreigners
cut down because they had the audacity of being on the same road as
his grand procession (in feudal Japan, *nobody* shared the road with a
daimyo^).  *That* incident resulted in the levelling of Kagoshima and
a great deal of trouble for the bakufu.

One of the first acts of the Meiji government was the abolition of the
class of samurai and its privileges; a necessary act in the eventual
overturning of the unequal treaties exempting foreigners from Japanese
law (``extraterritoriality'').  Japan was subsequently to insist upon
extraterritorial rights from China using identical arguments as the
western nations.
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Actors and Bakufu Slump (was Re: First Love)
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:54:27 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Scott Ross Trent (trent@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
> In article <C0M6vH.Kv@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
> >As quoted from <C0KuLw.I66@unix.amherst.edu> by jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs):
> >
> >> 	Question: If they made a movie about Riki, who would play him? My
> >> choices are either the guy who played the bandit in "Rashomon," or 
> >> Tor Johnson. Any other suggestions?
> >
> >I vote for the guy who played the leader of the cannibals in "The Hills Have
> >Eyes".
> 
> At the risk of being offending, I vote for the guy who played the ranch owner
> in "Quigly down under".  He also plays the sherif in the latest Robin Hood,
> and had a role in Die Hard.  I seriously like this actor, he is really good
> at what he does.
	You mean Alan Rickman? He was also in Bob Roberts, playing Bob's 
right-hand man. I can see this - he's got the right sort of beady little
eyes...
> 
> This is starting to digress so I supose I should include something related
> to s.c.j.  I strongly recommend Bakufu Slumps's "Dansu ni Goon" CD to those
> who enjoy Japanese popular music.  I had the second track played at my
> wedding reception.  :-)
> 
> Does anyone have recommendations for Japanese music or groups with a similar
> sound?
> 
> -- 
> scott                             /* We're the United States Government, we   */
> trent@cs.utexas.edu               /* don't do that kind of thing! -- Sneakers */

--

"Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple
 T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple
 On television, the drug of a nation
 Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation."
				-Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:58:55 EST
From: Larry E. Cravetz <RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: American-cu Cannabalism
 <C0IB9B.8zy@newsflash.concordia.ca> <2610@usna.NAVY.MIL>

In article <2610@usna.NAVY.MIL>, wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas
Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) says:
>
>In article <C0IB9B.8zy@newsflash.concordia.ca> davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave   )
>Chuwrites:

>>>What form of cannibalism is practiced not infrequently in the USA?
>>
>>I believe it is the eating of the placenta after a woman has given birth.
>
>Bingo!  Dave wins a jumbo placentaburger with all the trimmings!
>
>--
What about the millions of Catholics who eat the literal body of Christ each
Sunday at Communion...?

Original post from
>Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil

-- Whose opinions did you think these were ?!?!?
>orbiting particle-beam weapons.
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: *NOT* Naked GIFs of Riec-chan
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:21:14 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

I will not attempt to pass judgement on the *taste* of the post
offering GIFs of Rie Miyazawa. I would like to say though, that USENET
guidelines ask you to determine the newsgroup best suited for a given
post and to avoid cross-posting as much as possible. As for the
question of whether the announcement was better made here or in
pic.erotica (or whatever), it probably belonged here just in terms of
the number of readers who might be interested. Netiquette also asks
you to be considerate of others however.  Copyright questions make it
basically illegal to copy the work in the first place, but that is
rarely enforced in this type of case. So those are the three factors.
Weigh them as you will.

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From: btlee@ut-emx.uucp (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Days of the Week in Japanese and Korean
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:15:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Japanese women, foreign men
Followup-To: alt.sex
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:51:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.050926.906@fuug.fi> an3936@anon.penet.fi (Silly Question) writes:

> The most violent sexual response I have ever got from a woman was when
>I (as a joke, initially) rubbed the bridge of my (definitely gaijin) nose
>directly on my (Japanese) girlfriend's clitoris.

   If only your male organ were functional...

> I just about had my ears torn 
>off....

   Gee, you were almost gonna lose your second best sexual organ!

>Anonymously,

--Michiaki

P.S. Followup to the group which has been lost from our site recently.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 21:35:02 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.212312.9391@pegasus.com>, tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.172513.18741@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.com writes:
> 
> >It is particularly true in Real-estate. In the '80s in the UK when interest
> >and tax rates were cut house prices rose dramatically i.e. people will spend
> >a lot more on a piece of property than it is actually worth - particularly if
> >it is sold to the highest bidder.
> 
> Kev:  It isn't "true" at any time anywhere.  People never spend more money
> for anything "than it is actually worth".  $5 for a gallon milk is not more
> than it is worth if you have no transportation and the store that sells
> milk for $2.50 a gallon is 10 miles away.  One of stores is closer so the
> value of that milk when up to that buyer.
> 
> The highest bidder determines the property's worth.

Well, let's be pedantic then. The intrinsic value of a house is the cost of
building it - its "worth". If the the house happens to be in a nicer area people
will pay "more than it is worth" to own it.

In times of crisis people will often transfer money into the gold market, because
gold has a high intrinsic value.

The real cost of any manufactured item is how much energy is required to make
it. Land area has no associated energy cost and is therefore valued at whatever
people feel like paying for it.

The $2.50 difference in milk price in your example would match the energy cost
of travelling the 10 miles (and back) to buy it cheaper.

Kev.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: flash news
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:21:02 GMT

In article <SUSAKI.93Jan8100821@psiux605.icot.or.jp> susaki@icot.or.jp (Kasumi Susaki) writes:

>  I also has a big surprise 
>on the news of marriage of Crown Prince.
.....
>And I think this marriage is not really based on mutual understanding.  
>Ms. Owada rejected it again and again.  The last rejection is the middle
>of Oct. 1992.

   Although I don't know exactly when she accepted the proposal, wouldn't
it be possible that the Crown Prince did something that touched her
heart after October?

>  But the messenger between them is an old boy of Foreign 
>Affairs and also was a vice precident of it.  
>I think there is some pressure on her. 

   I wonder what kind of pressure could make a woman accept the proposal
which she definitely wants to reject. Was there a life-threatening
conspiracy?

>I think we lost a good diplomat who probably makes a footstep for us 
>women as a world wide career.  

   I'd rather expect that this marriage could turn her life for the better.
She might try to reform some outdated royal regulations and might show
a novel way of being a member of the royal family. Although she would not
be allowed to have any political influence, it should be possible
for her to play a significant role in the diplomatic stage for improving the
international relationship.  

   Above all, if, IF, IIIFFF there is a feeling between the Crown Prince
and Ms. Owada that can be called "L O V E", I'd be glad to celebrate their
marriage. (I wonder if they invite me for "niji-kai"...)

   BTW, Kasumi-san, you could be a footstep for other women as a
world-wide career woman, though. "Ganbatte."

--Michiaki
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: American-cu Cannabalism
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:49:08 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <C0I5zA.9oJ@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
>>What form of cannibalism is practiced not infrequently in the USA?
>>I'm serious here.  `Cannibalism' to be defined as the eating of human flesh
>>by humans.  
>
>>If anyone wants the answer, I'll post it in a few days.
>
>Biting fingernails....

No, no, you're not trying hard enough!  The flesh involved is organ tissue.
There's a hint for you.

Here's another one.  It's much more prevalent today then thirty years ago.  I
don't have any hard statistics on this, just a strong hunch.

Let me also clarify what I mean by "not infrequently."  I guess that perhaps
one out of a hundred or one out of a thousand Americans do it at least once
in their lives, and the great majority have the opportunity at least once in
their lives.  Not really frequent, but probably much more frequent than
you THOUGHT cannibalism was.
-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
orbiting particle-beam weapons.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:13479 soc.rights.human:4760
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Cultural Relativism (Re: My Thought on Wife Beating and more)
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:53:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <1993Jan10.063532.27182@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
=> I copied the following post from another newsgroup.  It's topic has little
=> relevance to Japan per se, but it does highlight an extended discussion
=> that has been occurring in this newsgroup.
=> 
=> Those who agree with Mr. Lee, who claims that wife beating is not necessarily
=> as bad in Korea as in the USA, believe in cultural relativism.  Mr. Lee
=> argues that wife beating is a defendable practice, depending on the culture
=> (this being Korean culture).
=> 
=> The following people have argued in favor of cultural relativism:
=>      blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
=>      yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
=> So, these people believe that Mr. Lee is correct.  In other words, they
=> believe that wife beating is defendable, depending on the culture.

That was a big leap, Dwight Joe. In particular, my point is that
something cultural is defendable by the culture that does it,
and difficult to argue with by those within a different culture.
It doesn't mean that I particulary defend wife beating by anyone,
Korean or otherwise.

- Bill Lambert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
Subject: Re: Recommend History Books/Authors?
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:43:22 GMT

hishimoda@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes:


>Mina-san, choto te o kashite kudasai.....

>I'm interested in Japanese history between Perry and the early years of Meji,

>Whiteny Hall (Yale?) and Donald Keeene at Columbia. If there are any
>Japanese history buffs out there (particularly of the time frame I described),
>can they PLEASE lead me to some sources and other leading authorities in 
>this field (both American and Japanese, of course --- I can read Japanese)?

	I reccommend Beasley.  He's British and a member of both the British
	and Japanese Society  (a great honor).  He does not have the US biases
	which is a nice relief.

	- Michael
-- 
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
	<sun!sono!miklg>  or  [miklg@acuson.com]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the book, "The Hollow Doll"
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:06:01 GMT

Charles M Richmond (cmr@world.std.com) wrote:
> I am going to buy this book now!!!
> 
> As for fears that someone might base all their ideas about Japan on this one
> book....   how about Dave Barry's book??????? (-;	
	I loved Dave Barry's book! The thing that really scared me about it
was that he said a lot of the exact same things that my friend Molly told me
about while she was in Japan. I'd hate to think he was accurate or anything...
> 
> 
> Charlie
> -- 
> *****************************************************************************
> *  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
> *  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@koneko.shr.dec.com		    *
> *  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *

--

"Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple
 T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple
 On television, the drug of a nation
 Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation."
				-Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: resistance to plutonium shipments?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:30:54 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: net
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan5.104151.4637@uvm.edu> coan@griffin.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu
(Bri
an M Coan) writes:
>I was wondering, what is public opinion in Japan regarding Japan's
>recent over-seas shipment of highly-dangerous, weapons-grade
>plutonium? Also, what sort of resistance has there been to this (and
>to Japan's nuclear program in general) from environmentalist and 
>leftist groups??
>
>       coan@emba.uvm.edu

The eco-nuts & whoever else, have predictably ammased wearing neat uniforms,
performing mass choreographies.  This time around, they've taken to wearing
black paper triangular hats with white skulls printed on them, to go with
Berlin-black attire.  Shriekers stand around in Shibuya & harajuku stations,
asking disinterested salarymen to please sign this petition.  Personally,
I've thought about going over there & marketing "Purutoniumu-yaki" to make
some pocket change, but would need the right capital equipment.  Do any
inter-netters have taiyaki mobiles to spare?  Let's see, also the 
purutoniumu-hantai bajji, and the purutoniumu-dance to perform for CNN cameras,
so the anchorman can say this is Japan.  This would involve stretching both
arms out to the sides, squatting to about a 90-degree angle, and stomping
both feet in rapid succession, symbolizing utter determination to prevent
foreign plutonium from landing on pure Japanese soil.