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From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re:  Effects of the U.S. Debt
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:17:20 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <1992Oct2.164751.6698@colorado.edu> wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.052830.3539@cs.sfu.ca> mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca (Ken Mcdonald) writes:
>>
>...
>
>>
>>The problem of inherited wealth is particularly pernicious.  Consider
>>a fortune of $100,000,000.  If invested prudently and carefully, the
>>heir of such a fortune can live the life of the wealthy, and AT THE 
>>SAME TIME, have their principal grow in REAL terms.  This is most
>>emphatically NOT true for the average family.  Now, if all of these
>>families with large fortunes all invest them prudently, and their
>>real wealth keeps growing, we may have problem; because if their real
>>wealth is growing faster than the country's real wealth is growing
>>(and this is often the case, and has certainly been the case over
>>the last decade), then that implies their wealth must be growing
>>at the expense of other.  If the process continues unchecked, the
>>end result is the emergence of an aristocracy and a serf class.
>>Not a good thing.
>>
>>Personally, I favour a really agressive inheritance tax.  The first
>>$200,000 tax-free, the next $300,000 taxed at 20%, the next $500,000
>>at 35%, and so forth.  Anything over $10,000,000 to be taxed at
>>90-95%.  The children of the wealthy will still be able to lead
>>comfortable lives on the money they inherit, the danger of an inherited
>>aristocracy will largely disappear, and the proceeds would make a nice
>>dent in the federal debt.
>>
>>Well, just dreaming, I guess . . .
>>
>
>in fact, you are wrong. it is already very difficult to pass inherited
>wealth through the estate tax directly to the inheritors. the tax, a
>large one, kicks in at $600,000.

	Just a note.  If you incorporate, $300-500, and make your
	spouse vice-president and your children directors, if you
	die, and the estate is under the corporation name, the
	estate stays with the corporation and you pay no inheritance
	tax on it and the corporation, your family, keeps the property.

>it is because of this that there are so many estate lawyers and
>accoutants who figure out ways for large sums of money to pass to estate
>tax free status from which individual inheritors may receive much money.
>now why is it that the laws permit this. it is because the laws are
>written for the benefit of the wealth classes, since they own the
>process of writing laws.
>
>have you ever heard of foundations, family foundations, etc? why do
>you think they exist?
>
>do you thing any rockefeller 'inherits' say $100,000,00. there is no
>way such a sum can pass through the estate tax laws (of the sort you
>propose.)
>
>your proposal is very simplistic. and believe me, any attempt to
>change these laws of inheritance taxation would kick up a fuss
>alongside of which nothing you have ever seen would be noticeable.
>worse than the gulf war.

	Kawika
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: cfdwe@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (David Ebdon)
Subject: Historical Data on Stocks and Futures-Where to Find It
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:37:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I have seen requests for sources of historical data several times in this
group.  One fairly inexpensive source for historical data on stocks and
commodities is Historical Data Systems.  They offer a 2-4 week free trial
to their data base for daily quotes and provide about nine months of 
historical data for free on about 500 stocks (S&P 500) and many
commodities.  You can reach them at 816-753-4742/4743.  Ask for the free
trial  package.  Be sure to ask for the correct phone number for the on
line data base since some of their literature contains numbers no longer
in service.  They also offer historical data on diskette at 75 cents per
year per stock or per commodities contract.  Minimum order is $25.

I have just taken a look at their comm package and used their data base
for the first time.  So far it looks pretty good.

-- 
David Ebdon
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
Eastern Illinois University
cfdwe@eiu.edu
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Real-Time Stock Quoters
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:34:51 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Jon <jdiorio@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> writes:

	I need to view real-time quotes (15 minute delay)
	continuously.

You seem to be confused.  "Real-Time" means you see them as soon as
possible (for your technology) after they happen.  "15 Minute Delay"
means you wait until 15 minutes after they happen to see them.

/jordan
Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.invest.real-estate,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered.entry,misc.jobs.resumes
From: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca (MING HE)
Subject: WANTED: Mechnical press
Organization: CS, York Univ., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:57:34 GMT

Greeting,

Here I am posting for my friend who is looking for press machines.

============	  C U T      H E R E	===============




We are looking for second-hand Mechanical Presses.



NAME		:  Mechanical Press

QUANTITY	:  8 pieces

TERM		:  second hand equipments



SPECIFICATION	:

	1) Nominal Capacity		:  8000 KN

	2) Stroke of Slide		:  500 - 600 mm

	3) Bolster Size (FB x RL)	:  1800 - 4000 mm  or
					   2000 - 4000 mm

	4) Max. Die Height		:  990 - 1400 mm

	5) Die Height Adjustment	:  appro. 500 mm

	6) Bolster Moving Type		:  as figure below


                                           /^\
            	    (The arrows are         |
                       directions           |     +---------+
            	                            | /   |         |
                     The square is the      |<----+--       |
            	        bird-view draft     | \   |         |
                        of the press   )    |     +---------+
                                            |
		                           \./


TYPE	:  Both below are fine,

	1) Straight Side Two-point Single Action Mechanical Presses;

	2) Straight Side Four-point Single Action Mechanical Presses;


ALSO  SEARCHING:

	Mechanical Press
	Nominal Capacity:  32,000 kN above
	Width of Bolster:  5000 mm above

We also looking for second hand equipments related to automobile productions.

Any who has the above mentioned mechidises and no longer willing to
keep them, please reply to cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca or contact (416)
669-6427 with Jack.

(The above number is both voice and fax.)

Any one who can offer any clue on where to find these kind of machine
is greatly appreciated.


With regards,


Malcolm
Producting Assistant Manager, DG Co.




===========       C U T     H E R E     ===============

Fellow netters, e-mail is preferable as I normally log in all the
days.  And please don't post the response. :-)

--
Jeffery M. He                               cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca
"The universe is started from a high density dot,  and no one can tell
where it will go."
From: mcaldon@igc.apc.org (McAldon International Inc.)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Brokerage stocks?
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:27:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1426500269:cdp:1426500275:000:722
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mcaldon    Oct  2 21:27:00 1992


|>Of course the brokers will make money on people
|>leaving the markets.
|
|Actually, they don't make any money.  What happens in a bear market is
|that people hold their positions in the hope that they can get out at
|a profit.  They also stop buying anything new, since they are so far
|under water on their portfolios.  Volume declines, brokers take long
|lunches, the market just keeps going down.  The price of Merrill Lynch
|falls.
|Norbert

Common wisdom has it that inexperienced investors wait to sell until
their stocks hit bottom, but they do eventually sell. DMcKenzie

|    mcaldon@igc.org     | Opinions dispensed herein not guaranteed |
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: davew@dsr.uucp (Dave Whipple)
Subject: Startup business in DC area
Organization: DSR
Distribution: misc
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 14:23:23 GMT

Hi,

   I am looking for some technical and/or business type people
   who would be interested in investing some time and money
   into starting a PC business in the northern VA/DC area.

   To be more specific I am interested in starting a business
   selling PC's, Turnkey network systems, and possibly turnkey
   Unix based PC's.  Ideally I would like to find somebody with
   a CNE, but this is not required.  I am willing to put in time and
   money of my own.  If someone else would also have some interest
   in such a venture drop me a note or give me a call.

David Whipple
davew@dsr.uucp
Home - 703-752-1074
Work - 703-263-1505

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: gene@aee.aee.com (Gene Kochanowsky)
Subject: Is there a market that speculates in high risk, high return loans
Summary: I am looking for lenders interested in high risk, high return loans
Keywords: loan, market
Organization: Associated Electronic Engineers
Distribution: misc
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:02:20 GMT

Hi,

	Does anyone know of a market, or group or companies that specialize
	in making loans for high risk, high return ventures. Please let me
	know.

Gene Kochanowsky
gene@aee.com

-- 
Gene Kochanowsky                           | "And remember ....
Associated Electronic Engineers, Inc.      |       The better you look ... 
(904)893-6741 Voice, (904)893-2758 Fax     |       the more you will see."
gene@aee.com                               |               Miss Lidia
From: GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re:  The national debt of the U.S. effect
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:06:42 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
In misc.invest, GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu ("Broward "The Stick in The Mud" Horne"
>>            Suppose we have 10,000 men, with staggered incomes, with
>>        GREAT inequality of income.  One man is truly willing to pay
>>        X + Y + Z amount.  But he doesn't have to.  Because the he
>>        can only affect a certain amount of "area".  The function breaks
>>        down, and money starts pouring into coffers and out of the economy.

>Could you explain this again? Something has been left out, because the meaning
>of the last three lines is very unclear.  What is "area"?

>BDR

          You can look at wealth distribution as a function of wealth
      versus population.  Taking one scenario ( where everyone is equal )

  wealth    ************************************

                     population

      Obviously this is unrealistic, since no societies that *I* know of
   distribute resources this way.  You can also stagger wealth out:

                             ************
    wealth           ********
               ******
            ***
                                    population

      Which is how most societies are.  What happens if you just keep
   on stretching?  Personally, I can't imagine any way that unequal
   distribution could just get greater and greater.  And, again, pretty
   obviously, a great inequality probably isn't stable, or even desirable,
   since the great majority of societies have a relatively stable distribution.

        Mainly, I'm just trying to find the mechanism that forces
   redistribution.  It can't just be propensity to spend, it seems to happen
   too quickly.

        I have little doubt that U.S. society is EXTREMELY unhappy with how
   resources are distributed at this point in history.  I also don't have
   much doubt that something will be done.  The Re-Adjustment.  In 1929,
   it came about through a depression.  At that time, most of the wealth
   was held by large monopolistic forces.  Same as now.  Check out assets
   in the U.S.  A small number of companies own virtually everything.  A
   small number of people own most stock.

          I'd also be surprised if the market didn't crash soon, in keeping
   with the forces of society.  Instant redistribution of wealth.

          Follow-ups to alt.doesn't.matter.anyway.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: Info on Conseco
Date: 01 Oct 92 16:02:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep30.163516.378@u.washington.edu> srini@milton.u.washington.edu (Srini Tridandapani) writes:
>
>
>Any info on Conseco will be appreciated...!
>
>Please post or email replies to
>mansoor@ssdc.honeywell.com

Um... Wasn't Conseco just traded to the Texas Rangers??

:):):)
Phil

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Zweig "Super Model" signal
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:41:03 GMT

Those who follow the "Super Model" indicators described
in Martin Zweig's book "Winning on Wall Street" may be
interested to note that the model's "Four Percent Model"
component, which follows market momentum as reflected
in the week-closing level for the Value Line Composite
Index, generated a "sell" signal as of last Friday.

The Value Line's geometric score fell to 243.22 at week's
end, which was just beyond 4% under the last high of
253.36 of July 31.

Other than the Value Line, however, the other indicators
in the book's "Super Model" still appear to be bullish,
thanks largely to interest-rate cuts this year.

As usual, I emphasize that this signal is related
_only_ to the "Super Model" as described in Zweig's book,
and otherwise is not related to anything Zweig is
currently counseling in his newsletter (I don't
subscribe, but someone who does often seems to check
in at this point with Marty's latest portfolio
percentages).

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: The end of media generated recession is close.
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:48:43 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct05.003134.28445@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> rteasdal@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Rusty) writes:
>In article <sehari.718236805@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>---
>>Even though, there are a lot of pessimism out there; however, I believe
>>no mater who wins the election, this media generated recession will be over
>>soon after the election.  People are sick and tired of hearing the negatively
>>presented news, and most people have stopped listening to the media. if major 
>>networks try still to push the negatively presented news, their rating would
>>go down the drain.

Let's hope they wake up before November. :-}   <== GOP smiley face

>	Oh, goodness! _That's_ who is responsible for all those closed
>businesses I was driving by this afternoon - the media! Why, I should
>have guessed it from the very start...

Sheesh!  Consumer confidence indices are very low when you compare
to them other periods of the same amount of unemployment, etc., and
this is because the media has been crying that the sky is falling
for about a year now.  Many people out there actually think that
unemployment is 15%, and things are as bad or worse than they 
were under Carter.  The problem is, after a while this can be
a self-fulfilling prophecy as people become more cautious in
their spending.  A few months ago the British magazine
_The Economist_ referred to our situation as something the public
considers a recession (but was not one).

--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.taxes
From: zaphod@lamar.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Harley Stock
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:56:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523



Does anyone out there have any info on Harley Davidson Stock
(HDI)?

It recently split 2:1 and seems to be doing well.


Thanx
Mike
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: barrada@infonode.ingr.com (Ahmed Barrada)
Subject: full brokers
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:39:42 GMT

There has been a lot of comparisons on the net of deep discount brokers.

How about full brokers.  How does ML compare with PW for example?

Sincerly ,

Ahmed Barrada

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ahmed Barrada
ALB24A , 104H / LR24A
Infrastructure Group / AEC
Intergraph Corp
Huntsville , AL 35894-0001 , USA

Internet: barrada@karam.b24a.ingr.com

205 / 730-8150 w , 205 / 730-8743 f
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ff76@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Investing in India (Was: Re: U.S. Bail Out!)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:07:28 GMT

In article <husain.717262185@cyan>, husain@rtsg.mot.com (Saad Husain) writes:
> India is still not that stable.
                     ^^^^

How stable would you like?

There are risks and hopefully commensurate rewards in every investment
scenario.  If we are talking about investing in the Indian stock market, you
could a whole lot worse with many stocks from "stable" economies.

>  There is a lot of religious acrimony and
True
> socialistic government policies. 

True.  At the same time, you need to know that one of the fastest growing
economies in the world today is (mainland) China.  Experts believe that the
trend is going to continue for more than a decade.  I hope you will not draw me
into a political (or socio-political) debate about how "right" or "wrong" that
is. My perspective is purely that of an individual _investor_.  The question is
whether or not (or to what extent) it is wise to have a part of your portfolio
invested in the Indian (or a similar) stock market.  For instance, William (?)
Rogers (I forget his first name) on the new CNBC show "Your Portfolio" (a very
promising show on mutual funds) suggested that Botswana may be the place to
invest in.  For individual investors, it wouldn't be easy (or even possible)
but it illustrates the point.

> Even in spite of the drawbacks, I believe
> investing in an off-shore software development in India (especially
> in Banglore) could produce some very favorable returns.  If any one is
> interested in sending me for a fact-finding mission I would be willing to
> go.... ;-)
> 
> -- 
> ==Saad Husain==(708)632-3259==husain@cyan.rtsg.mot.com==All this is all mine==
> Throughout the history of mankind there have been murderers and tyrants;
> and while it may seem momentarily that they have the upper hand, they have
> always fallen. Always.  - M.K. Gandhi, Lawyer, philosopher & peace activist.
From: GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Are we nearing another stock market crash?
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:50:02 GMT
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From: sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale)
Subject: Are we nearing another stock market crash?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:55:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

>Is that mean we are heading towards another crash?

        hey, what's the worst that can happen?

        The market CAN'T crash anymore.  It can only drop 50 points per
        day.  At that rate, you won't be back to 1991 levels for over
        a week.  Plenty of bail time.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: dave@hp1.holl.com (David Vrona)
Subject: Wanted:  SIGNAL box
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:08:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hollister Incorporated,  Libertyville, IL

Hi all,

I'm in the market for a SIGNAL quote box.  Anyone have one they would
like to sell?

thanks
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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: FAQ -- Wash Sale Rule
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:22:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Oct6.192205.27675
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Oct5.232306.15244@tandem.com> pearson_steven@tandem.com (Steven R. Pearson) writes:
>
>Hi, all.
>  In partial response to recent requests for FAQs on misc.invest, here is the one I am
>working on.  This message is cross-posted to misc.taxes.  This is work in progress, and has

This is very good, but could you please reformat to fit into less
than 80 columns?  Thanks




>
>         In either case, the rules work "in favor of the IRS" (who woulda guessed it?).


Well, there is a case where they could have made it even worse, but
didn't :^)   When you have a net capital loss exceeding $3000 you
must carryover that loss to the following year.  The IRS at least
allows you to take Gains from these sales and use them to offset
losses so you won't have to carryover net losses.  Whoopie.

-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: jhs@cs.Princeton.EDU ()
Subject: Mutual Fund 1/800 list
Originator: jhs@atomic
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:08:24 GMT

A few moons ago someone posted a list of all (or a least a whole bund of)
mutual fund families and their 1/800 numbers. I have searched and searched
and searched, but I can't find my copy of the list. Could someone please
email me a copy. Thanks, Colleen