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From: ins750t@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jim Giannakis)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:11:35 GMT

Marc N Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
:    In the September 1992 issue of AmigaWorld, Bob Hays writes the following at
: the beginning of a review of Amiga Links:
: 
:    "A DOUBLE RARITY among Amiga games, LINKS (Access Software, $59.95) was
: written for the Amiga, not simply ported from the MS-DOS version, and it has
: a 4096-color HAM-mode display.  As a result, this golf game looks substantially

What Bob Hays was trying to say was that the actual LINKS code itself was
 scrapped and re-written for the Amiga and wasn't straight over (like Sierra
 Games for example). Just because and IBM game is released first and then comes
 out on ,say, an Amiga , it doesn't mean that it is ported. My point is
 GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

: better on the Amiga than on a VGA-mode PC."

Obviously, you define a "better" game as one with better graphics. 
Just because your saw a SCREENSHOT of the Amiga Links , you automatically
write it off. Have you thought about have SMOOTH these graphics are? Have you
actually PLAYED Links on the Amiga? I have played a friends version and it
is quite good.

:     The same company -- Access Software -- has developed Links 386 Pro, a
: version of Links that fully utilizes an SVGA display, with 256 colors out of
: 262,144 at a resolution of 640x480.  The results make Amiga Links look like
: **CRUD**.  If anyone doubts me on this, take this challenge: obtain the
: September 1992 issue of AmigaWorld and the October 1992 issue of Discover
: Magazine.  Open AmigaWorld to page 70, and open Discover to pages 32&33.  If
: you do not agree that Links 386 Pro makes Amiga Links look like **CRUD**, 
: contact me, as you obviously need your vision corrected, psychological help,
: or both.  The picture in Discover magazine shows a game that looks like a
: damn photograph, while the picture in AmigaWorld shows a game that isn't
: all that much better than games for the C-64.  



Again the Amiga graphics are quite special, and a I dont think that a       
screenshot justifies you slagging off the graphics.

: 
:    BTW, the list price for Links 386 Pro is a full $20.00 cheaper than the
: list price for Amiga Links: $39.95 for Links 386 Pro compared to $59.95 for 
: Amiga Links.
: 
:    What is my point about all this?  This is only the beginning for games on
: the IBM platform.  Now that some games have already started coming out that
: support SVGA, more will come.  It will be a *LONG* time before enough Amiga
: systems have sold with AA chipsets to justify software developers producing
: games that support comparable resolutions and color capabilities on the
: Amiga.  


Again , you have NO argument, You haven't played Links on the Amiga so stop
shooting your mouth off!

: 
:    Due to lack of progress, the "Ultimate Game Machine" is very fast becoming
: the "Ultimate Joke Machine".
: 
Yawn





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Jim

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From: ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Sunga Rettaf)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: None
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:19:32 GMT

In article <etxansk.715264903@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>> [Stuff about Access' Links game deleted.]
>> ...
>>
>>   What is my point about all this?  This is only the beginning for games on
>>the IBM platform.  Now that some games have already started coming out that
>>support SVGA, more will come.  It will be a *LONG* time before enough Amiga
>>systems have sold with AA chipsets to justify software developers producing
>>games that support comparable resolutions and color capabilities on the
>>Amiga.  
>>
>>   Due to lack of progress, the "Ultimate Game Machine" is very fast becoming
>>the "Ultimate Joke Machine".
>
> You may be right about resolution and colour, but when it comes
>to animation - isn't animation, scrolling etc on a VGA PC a joke?

Wing Commander II on a 486 with SVGA is pretty nice.  Scrolling is not as
smooth as many Amiga games, but the number of colors is greater.

> Anders Skelander, Sweden # # #
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Sunga Rettaf
From: nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the Fat Wok   )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:25:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep01.173716.2083@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>Oh really? What Amiga card can I seamlessly run all my amiga apps on at
>1280x1024? What card is useable for all my apps? Oh..there isn't one?
>
>>    And come up with bogus rubbish. MODs, the highest form of micro
>>    music I've ever come across, play perfectly well on the Amiga with
>>    minimal system impact while playing.
>
>True, the Amiga can play cheesy Euro-Synth music while doing other things.
>But I can add a 16 bit audio card to my Windows machine and fully utilize in
>all apps that use sound on my machine.
>
>>    Geez, what a pack of blatant lies.
>
>Geez, looks like he close to home, eh? Just give up trying to defend
>crusty 1985 technology. Hopefully at the WOC they will introduce the
>A4000 and Amiga owners will not have to make silly claims to perpetuate
>the myth that the Amiga is still on the cutting edge of technology.
>
>BTW, I own an A3000/25 and a grip on reality.
>-- 
>/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
>/* I want my 32bit chip set	*/


	"Cheesy Euro-synth music," eh? There's a lot of people who'd
beg to differ on that one. Although this "'85 technology," as you so
quaintly put it, is definitely old, crusty, and all that good stuff,
it doesn't sucksucksuck--YET. There's still a few more years to go
for that. The graphics are just OK now and the audio is still pretty
nice. I didn't buy an Amiga for the technology anyway. I bought it
for the boffo OS and various neat-o apps (in my opinion here, don't
bust a nut). Prior to '91 I didn't even know what the hell an Amiga
was. When I first heard of it, I laughed at it. Now I still laugh at
it, but at least I enjoy using it, which is more I can say for that
486 in the next room.
	As for this perceived lack of RTG, it seems that these
esoteric computer concepts never become much of an issue until they
are available for the PC's. This is also the case with VM. Now that
these great things are available, everyone's gotta have them--NOW,
or they get all sulky and say bad things about people's mothers.
But, hey! Everyone here is a whining pissant, right? Right. 

Oh, yeah, I own an A2000 and a <tenuous> grip on reality.(which you
gotta have if you own an A2000)


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Subject: Re: Does the AmigaOS pre-emptively multitask?
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:00:45 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug31.183436.42688@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> by thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu:

> Does all this mean that the AmigaOS does not have pre-emptive
> multitasking?  If a programmer can design his application to tie
> up the system, does this mean that the system is not strictly
> pre-emptive?

   "Strictly pre-emptive"? What a load of crap.

    Me, I hope it NEVER becomes "strictly pre-emptive". That would be
    a major step backwards.

> |  Charles A. Thompson               |  thompson@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu         |
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From: hreutte@andy.bgsu.edu (hans reutter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: New Amigas and AA ???
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:04:42 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

I had no internet or email access for quite some time,

so could somebody please summarize all the rumors(?) about

the new Amigas and the AA-chipset?

-THANKS

"See how they fly like lucy in the sky see how they fly"
[The Beatles: MagicMystTour]
From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Aug 92 04:29:22 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

AHA! I'm not talking about frameMaker - (which, BTW is EXCELLENT!), and I'm
not talking about Calamus 1.09n, I'm talking about SL - and it DOES beat
Quark, hands down!

As far as pricing - $799 AMERICAN DOLLARS.  From the little I have heard,
all of the Falcons Atari brought to the Messe were sold within 2 hours or
less.  No detailed reports in yet, although its been since Friday (the
start). 
The show is the largest all Atari show in the world and occupies a floor
spcae equalt to 4 football fields  - I am guessing that that is why not
many reports are in - too much to cover at the moment.

The only concern i have for PCMCIA is for the adaptor for the Portfolio.
I'm talking function - not cross-platform.


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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Sucks and Amigoids are Suckers
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:21:38 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>>Amiga SSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSS!!!
>
>        What exactly is your point?

The same person has been posting crap in lots of other newsgroups
also.  Guess he ran out of ethnic groups and genders to insult, so
he turned to computers...

-- 
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djohnson@ucsd.edu
    "Only Nixon could go to China"  -- Vulcan proverb
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 500 Pound Atari Falcon? Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:03:25 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <Chris_Millar.0472@lppl.mi.org> Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
>As far as getting TOS (Atari DOS) specifications, I believe that you must
>become a "registered" developer - The Falcon uses a slightly enhanced
>version of the current TOS along with a multi-tasking overlay - it
>basically hooks into the current TOS - for more information contact

Just further proof of my assertion that MultiTOS is nothing but a bunch
of hacks "overlaid" upon the original program launcher. 

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Literary analysis & Jeff Young (was Re:  flamefest '92)
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:59:31 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Mon 31 Aug 92 18:17, Doug@dsij.uucp (doug Johnson)
wrote:

>"You deep dodo!"
 DJ>   This is a case of alternate meanings. He was implying doo-doo _and_
 DJ> dodo,
 DJ> the extinct flightless bird.

You give him too much credit.

>"vAApor cards not selling so hot!"
 DJ>   You misssed the clever connection between heat and vapour?
             ^^^
Tsk, Tsk,Tsk. Not only are you giving Jeff Young WAY too much credit, you
have a lazy typing finger too....

>this newsgroup with this verbal diarreha. Besides, anybody who uses more
 DJ>                                ^^^
 DJ>   Tsk, tsk, bad spelling, five marks off.

 DJ> Doug Johnson    * Q: What do you call a tornado with long hair
 DJ> Windsor, ON    * and boils?
 DJ> Canada     * A: A cysted twister.

What can I say. I am a product of a lousy Hugh Beaton/Walkerville/UofW
education!  :)


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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:45:20 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

> music dealers......they most DEFINATELY not going to carry an Atari
product.

WAKE UP, BONEHEAD!  A LOT of music dealers carry ST's and TT's.  Maybe if
you knew something about the music industry, you would know that.  Jesus,
MY local music delaer carries Atari's for crying out loud.......as do
several national chains and some "exclusive" shops that cater to
professionals......


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Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:02:56 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep1.013749.13608@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> by davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn):
> In article <1992Aug31.094150.7646@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

> >   Due to lack of progress, the "Ultimate Game Machine" is very fast becoming
> >the "Ultimate Joke Machine".

> Only if playing games is your reason for owning an Amiga.  It's not an issue

    In any case, MB is lying again. Elite II.

> David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:25:25 GMT

Roger Earl writes:
>>kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>OTOH, it is probable that current CDTV models cannot be expanded with MPEG.
>>But then, I don't believe Commodore has ever promised that they could be.
>
>Kevin, its been awhile since I posted, but I see as usual you have a very
>short memory.  CBM has continously insisted that CDTV will get MPEG as
>a "cost effective upgrade".  

We already did this.  References for "continuously insisted", please?

I'm not saying that Commodore won't ever have MPEG as an option to a CDTV
model.  I'm saying that they've never promised it for the current model
in a clearly worded official announcement which they could be held to.

In other words, all they've done so far is to make ambiguous hints about
what 'could happen sometime in the future'... and then let the usual Amiga
rumor machine take it from there.  

Now hey, we all make ambiguous hints.  But we're not a corporation which
needs to either give a clear timetable or stop leading on their customers.
We've already seen this past summer (from the Robinson rebuttal) that
Commodore still thinks most of their customers are airhead fanatics who'll
believe and repeat anything CBM wants them to.

That kind of corporate attitude is mostly what I'm arguing against.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: toddal@cco.caltech.edu (Todd Michael Allendorf)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:50:53 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:


>   In the September 1992 issue of AmigaWorld, Bob Hays writes the following at
>the beginning of a review of Amiga Links:

>   "A DOUBLE RARITY among Amiga games, LINKS (Access Software, $59.95) was
>written for the Amiga, not simply ported from the MS-DOS version, and it has
>a 4096-color HAM-mode display.  As a result, this golf game looks substantially
>better on the Amiga than on a VGA-mode PC."
                               ^^^

>    My comments: BULLSHIT!!  BULLSHIT!!  BULLSHIT!!

>    The same company -- Access Software -- has developed Links 386 Pro, a
>version of Links that fully utilizes an SVGA display, with 256 colors out of
                                         ^^^^
No, Marc, Amiga World doesn't lie (at least in this case) but you can't seem to 
read or at least process what you read.  Remember that VGA is not the same thing
as SVGA.  VGA is limited to low resolution in its 256 color mode so I can believe
that a HAM low res screen would look better than a VGA low res screen.  I'm sure 
that you can think of types of pictures that HAM would be better for than VGA.

>the IBM platform.  Now that some games have already started coming out that
>support SVGA, more will come.  It will be a *LONG* time before enough Amiga
>systems have sold with AA chipsets to justify software developers producing
>games that support comparable resolutions and color capabilities on the
>Amiga.  

Although you probably won't see games like Turrican right away for the AA
chipset, games that don't bang on the hardware will be able to take advantage
of the AA chipset right away.  Games like Secret of Monkey Island could be 
made to take advantage of the AA chipset a few months after its introduction.
All these types of games require are a new set of data files (which they can
take from the SVGA version) and few lines of code to be change to open a 
different graphics mode and they're in business.

Flight simulators with rendering engines that can be used with different 
number of bitplanes like A-10 Tank Killer will also be able to take advantage
of the AA chipset almost immediately after its introduction.  It's not nearly
as bleak as you make it out to be.
 
>   Due to lack of progress, the "Ultimate Game Machine" is very fast becoming
>the "Ultimate Joke Machine".

Yeah, whatever.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>----------------------------------------------


						Todd Allendorf
						toddal@punisher.cco.caltech.edu	

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From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:35:49 GMT


skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes regarding Calamus SL:

> I'll tell you what it means.  It means that users can go to any bookstore
> and find lots of tutorials, hint books, and other references related to
> the application.

	Any decent application based on a decent GUI should require
absolutly no documentation at all!  When are people going to understand
the purpose of a GUI!

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: "Chomping at the bit..." - Again
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:35:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.072320.16451@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stephen J.Smith) writes:
>In <kkrebs.015p@amilink.UUCP> kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs) writes:
>
>>Just to let Skip Sauls know - Amiga news has published his "story" on the
>>front page of their August newsletter.  The title of the article is "The
>>A4000 - The Scoop on Commodore's Newest!" and they have "by Anon" where the
>>author's name should be.
>
>>Congrats, Skip.  You've conquered yet another magazine/newsletter.
>
>The latest Australian Megadisk has this article  with the heading :
>"NEW AMIGAS IN THE PIPELINE - by a US developer"
>
>The editor has an insert saying - "This piece came off the international
>networks, and seems to be authentic, as it tallies with what I've heard
>from other sources."
>
>Well, Skip, I had a phone call from some people who were really excited
>by this news...:) I had to convince them otherwise.......

I'm considering having my name legally changed to Anon so that I can at least
get proper credit for my work.  :-)

>Stephen J. Smith	Technical Officer	phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au
>Physics Department
>James Cook University
>Townsville QLD 4811

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:13:09 GMT

In <1992Aug30.194513.12500@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>Yet Apple only has to bring out *ONE* CD-ROM drive that will work on ALL
>Macintosh systems currently on the market.

Can you at least try to think ? What about the popular option of having
a *single* unit with different interface cards (like the printers with
Centronics/RS232/IEEE/... interfaces).

>   With a little more intelligence on the part of people designing Amiga
>systems, Commodore could have cut down the number of CD-ROM drives needed
>to support all Amigas from four to two; they could have done this by simply
>leaving the A500's 86-pin expansion port on the A600, and using SCSI instead
>of IDE on the A4000.

This is again your imbecile claim that only interfaces on the motherboard
(i.e. out of the box) do exist. What is the sense of an expansion bus ?

Regards,
-- 
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