From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Rule Changes for West Indies (was Re: West Indies team...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:05:59 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales
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rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au (Rakesh DESAI) writes:
: In article <1993Jan26.032228.12202@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mikef@dph1.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Blind Boy Grunt) writes:
: > In article <lm88tcINN5oa@news.bbn.com> ckhan@bbn.com writes:
: > 
: > >With Ambrose bowling the way he his, I think we should have the MCC
: > >change the laws so that we can just have Ambrose bowling from both ends
: > >and play 10 batsmen!  It's about time there was a rule change FOR the
: > >West Indies... 
: 
: {some stuff deleted}
: 
: > are to the disadvantage of the West Indies. Of course, the one bouncer per
: > batsmen per over rule is an example. I doubt that this rule will last very
: > long though. It has been rarely enforced this season in Australia and has
: 
: I agree.  One bouncer per rule is B***S***.  As David also mentioned
: more protective gears are available.  Most of the current cricketers
: are wearing so much protective gears, they look like straight out of
: Apollo mission from moon. :-}

I see your point, but in my opinion the protection issue isn't the
only thing to condsider. I don't know about anyone else, but when
watching Steve Waugh bat (in particular) I grew very tired of seeing
the constant barrage of short pitched bowling, it was certainly boring
to watch. Even Michael Holding thought that the windies pace-attack
were overdoing it. In the end it was a well pitched up delivery that
dissmissed Steve Waugh so ... The windies bowlers are very good at
moving the ball off the seem, so I just don't see the point in
constantly bowling short, it really makes the game less of a
spectacle. But on the other hand the one bouncer per batsmen per over
rule does seem too heavy handed, so whats the solution?

: 
: > the general consensus in the cricket world (commentators, ex-players,
: > newspapers, rsc, my friends...) is that it is a silly rule.
: 
: I guess most of people will agree that test cricket is not one day
: cricket and shouldn't be restricted by unnecessary rules.
: 
: > Test cricket. For example, run penalties for failures to bowl the required
: > number of overs, increasing the run penalties for no balls (no balls are
: > now penalised with 2 runs in Australian domestic matches), and perhaps even
: > increased over rates.
: 
: > I tend to think that such changes would be beneficial to the game. I do
: > believe that spinners need to be brought back into the game, and that this
: > can only be done by enforcing over rates. Cricket is just so much more
: > interesting when spinners become a significant part of the game. Although,
: > adjust and still be a cricketing power. After all, they did produce one the
: > game's best spinners in Lance Gibbs.
: 
: Enforcing over rates in terms of runs or adding extra runs for No balls
: etc will do the same thing which variety of rain rules have created to
: one dayers.  Too much restricted and complicated.  Match fee penalties
: are alright but too much restriction in test match is not required.
: When Australia had very good pace bowling side they used them (i.e.
: Lillee-Thomson) and currently Pak has developed good pace bowling
: combination still they use a leg spinner.  I wish test cricket should be
: left alone so that a country can develop its team based on whatever
: strength they have.  And no one can stop a home team to build pitches
: which their own bowlers can exploit.
: 
: > Unfortunately, as good as the West Indian bowlers are, they are quite
: > defensive bowlers, in the sense that they concentrate very much on short of
: > a length bowling, unlike the Pakistanis and Australians who pitch the ball
: > up a lot more in order to make it swing (and consequently are easier to
: > score off). One could of course also argue that the WI batsmen are more
: > agressive, which I think is true, nevertheless I think my point is valid.
: > While, I certainly wouldn't want to outlaw the former approach, it would 
: > be lot easier to endure if it was complemented by some spin bowling.
: > Any other thoughts on these matters?

I agree, and particularly when Ambrose and co bowl very good off/leg
cutters. Most of the Australian dissmissals were of well pitched up
deliveries that moved off the seem. The windies don't need to
constantly bowl short, they look very dangerous when they DO pitch the
ball up, it gives everyone a better chance, the batsmen and bowlers
and in the end offers a better spectacle to the crowd.

: 
: I wouldn't say Ambrose's each delivery comming at your chest defensive.
: There is nothing wrong in Ambrose & co. bowling at chest so that batsman
: can pop up catch in sleeps or at short leg.  Batting wise I always
: thought WI  batsmen were always aggressive.  Yesterday's 146 runs in
: less than two sessions is adequate example.  WI batting always had that
: air of arrogance throughout past 2 decades atleast.  And why not,when 
: after getting bowled out for 146 Richardson can be confident about his
: bowlers bowling out Australia, they deserve to be arrogant and
: aggressive.
: 
: rakesh
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