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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: sex in hereafter (was Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:08:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.153242.29465@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD) writes:
>>
>[Babblings about Gopal's conception of religion and how gods must resort to
> white lies deleted.  Admissions that Christianity and Hinduism are  sexist
> appreciated.]

Ah Yes! Admission that other religions can be sexist is appreciated but 
when it comes to Islam...NOOOoooooo Waaaayyyy. :->

>You see Gopal, I am using a *literal* translation of the  word  Hur  not  a
>sexist one.
>
I did not miss Zafar Minhas's post. It is good that muslims today are 
tending to use non-sexist interpretations. The only problem remains is 
that you do not recognize your interpretation as a change to what was 
hithereto practised. Islam is changing (albiet very slowly) by new 
interpreters like you but you refuse to see that (or admit that) because 
admitting change is like blasphemy to you, isn't it ?! 

regards,
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From: jaseemud@eecg.toronto.edu (Muhammad Jaseemuddin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A Ghazal by Mohsin Bhopalee
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:47:51 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto

A ghazal by Mohsin Bhopalee. I somehow always ifatuated by Mohsin's
poetry. He is fresh in his ideas and gentle in his presentation. This is
another beautiful ghazal by Mohsin, particularly I would like to turn
your attention to the last verse. Enjoy it.

---- M. Jaseemuddin 


       			Ghazal

		  by  Mohsin Bhopalee			
				


chahat meN kia dunia dari, ishq meN kaisee mujbooree
logoN ka kia sumjhaanay do, un kee upnee mujbooree

rok suko to pahli baarish kee boondoN ko tum roko
kachchi mittee to mahkay gee, hai mittee kee mujbooree

zaat kuday meN pahroN baatayN aur milayN to mohr bulub 
jubre waqt nay bukhshi hum ko ub kay kaisee mujbooree

jub tuk haNsta gaata maosum upnaa hai sub upnay haiN
waqt puRay to yaad Aa jaatee hai musnooee mujbooree

muddat guzree ik waaday pur Aaj bhee qaaem haiN mohsin
hum nay saaree umr nibahee upnee pahlee mujbooree



chahat		love
ishq		love
baarish		rain	
boondoN		drops
mittee		clay
waqt		time
maosum		climate
musnooee	fake
waaday		promise 
umr		age
pahlee		first 		




Muhammad Jaseemuddin

Computer Group                              
Dept. of Electrical Engineering            
University of Toronto

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From: rkrithiv@pima.intel.com (Ramamurthy Krithivas)
Subject: Re: The End of an Era; The Seventh Nizam of Hyderabad
Organization: -----------
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:38:35 GMT

|From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
|Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
|khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
|
|>Off the battlefield, the Muslim community fell before a massive 
|>and brutal blow, the devastation of which left those who did survive
|>reeling in bewildered fear. About 200,000( 2 lakh) muslims were
|>massacred.

|Do you have any reference for this?  

  One good guess: Islamic News Network. 

|This is the first time I have heard this.  

  You are not alone. 

Krithi. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: 502pc@gab.unt.edu (GAB 550 PC STATION #2)
Subject: howdy doody
Summary: howdy doody
Keywords: howdy doody
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:40:52 GMT

howdy doody
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is there a scp FAQ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:46:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep6.072605.3125@access.digex.com> gulati@access.digex.com writes:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a frequently asked questions posting for this group. 

	Yes, there is.

>If so, how can I get a copy?

	I have appended it for your convenience.

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	FAQ List for Soc. Culture. Pakistan
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	(1) Q: Is there an FAQ for this group?

	    A: Yes, there is.

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From: khans@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (His Highness.. Khan Sahib)
Subject: Re: L.A. waaloo .... ghaur karro
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:58:49 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject: L.A. waaloo .... ghaur karro
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:41:30 GMT




The following is, reportedly, a true account.............and its
as good for a laugh as it is for some serious social meditation.



>>> A white lady on business arrived in LA in the heat of the Rioting. She
>>> was very nervous and distressed about her safety and the danger she
>>> felt lurked around every corner. After checking in at the from desk
>>> she headed to the elevator.
>>>
>>> Upon arriving at the elevator there were already 3 black men on it.
>>> She quickly debated with herself about the situation. "This is
>>> ridiculous, I have nothing to fear from these men, here in the middle
>>> of a reputable hotel. Ok, no problem, I'm going to ride this elevator,
>>> ..." etc....
>>>
>>> She then stepped into the elevator and quickly turned her back on the
>>> 3 men and faced the door. Shortly after the door closed, she heard one
>>> of the men say "Hit the floor lady", she immediately dropped to her
>>> stomach in terror. Upon her quick dive for the floor the 3 men broke
>>> out hysterically in laughter, the man after all, had simply meant for
>>> her to select the floor she wished to go to.
>>>
>>> She was terribly shaken and embarrassed about the whole thing, but
>>> tried to shake it off as she had several days of business to attend
>>> to.  At the end of her stay she went to check out of the hotel and pay
>>> for her room. To her confusion the clerk informed her that her room
>>> had been taken care of. He then handed her a note and explained that
>>> it had been left by the person who had picked up the tab for the room.
>>> 
>>> And the note said :
>>>
>>> Thanks for the best laugh I've ever had in an elevator.


.....no comments.........

	ADIL [....too dumb for New York, too ugly for L.A......] NAJAM

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Satellite TV reception
Keywords: Satellite, TV, TVRO
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:14:17 GMT

We in the South Bay in California can subscribe to the International
Cable channel (INTL).
This channel features news/dramas/music of the subcontinentas well as
other stuff.
Call you local cable company and find if you have access to this or
a same kind of channel.

However I may add here that we in California do NEED a Pakistani
TV Program, which features news, views on current affairs and a Pakistani
TV drama plus programs on Islamic teachings etc.


Regards.

Syed Sayeed Ahmed.
From: zafarha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Haseeb Zafar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: ASU MORE TROUBLE AND INFORMATION
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:45:51 GMT
Organization: ECE DREXEL UNIVERSITY

I posted last Friday about a guy who is giving problem to new Pakistani students
here is some more. 
I dont know what he is thinking, may be he doesnot not know the things he is 
doing can put him in big trouble. Recently what has happened is, when students
were in Pakistan they paid the insurance money to him along with the tuition
and apartment security. When the students came here they asked him if he has 
paid for their insurance, he said yes you are going to get your insurance card
pretty soon. Now one of the student got sick he probabbly has to go to the 
hospital his condition is really critical, he already has a medical bill of
around $400/- and they have figured out that they are not on any insurance plan
Now just imagine (Allah na karay) if some one had any kind of other accident
or emergency without insurance in USA you all know that he is in deep trouble.
May be the Director Pakistani thinks that he is a genius and all the students 
he has brought over are with zero IQ.

Here is another one, when students were in Pakistan he took $600/- as apartment
security from everyone, when the students came here they figured out that 
everyone pays no more than $100/- as apartment security, the students they went 
to him and asked him to return the money because they said they wanted to handle
everything personally, he has not even returned that money yet, its already 
been two weeks.

His name is
Dr. Afaq Haider
off ph.# (501) 972-3800

President student affairs (ASU)
Dr. Mosey Richmond Jr.

The info given above is provided by students in that group of twenty, they dont
know what to do with the director because they are scared that the director can
call the imigration and they can be deported. They also dont have the access
to the e-mail. May be someone among us can figure out how to help them.

Thanks,
Haseeb Zafar.
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:07:56 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <Bu2q0u.Aos@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>The reward for the savaab in the form of hoors caters to the pre-Mohammad(pbuh)
>Arab lifestyle I would assume....  I have rarely heard any references to 
>hoors in our folk/sufi poetry. I am wondering if that is because of
>the differences between the people of "Indian" origin and the Arabs.

	   The sufistic persuastion, by default, are against anything
that grants physical pleasures. Consequently, it is natural for sufis
to neglect the topics of hoors/sex, and other mortal voracities.
Sexuality is not only limited to pre-Islamic Arabs (nor post-Islamic
Arabs ;-)), and hoors are good motivation for any hetreosexual fellow,
muslim or non-muslim, whether (s)he admits it or not. 


>>	   In fact, that brings me to an interesting intellectual
>>question: Is homosexualily premitted in paradise? 
>>dsqa

>Well the question is interesting indeed. A month ago this discussion was beaten
>to death on soc.culture.bangladesh but you had your usual conflict between
>Quranic Ayats and Western lifestyle distract from the main issue. 

	   I do not read SCB, and hence was unaware that the topic has
already been discussed.

>Either way we are getting screwed :) :)

	   You mean, sexually or otherwise? ;-)

>Naveed

	   Salman [what-you-see-is-what-you-get-poster] Azhar

-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Email link to Karachi ?
From: S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:42:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: email
Summary: MR> IMRAN  ANWAR
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c



Dear Imran Anwar,			Saturday,12th. Sep. 92.(1.40 PM)
Aslam-o-Alaikoom,
But we hardly get response from these addresses. Situation might improve
when you take things under your control. I am a Lahori and is keen to
contact Lahore by EM. One of my brother is in Karachi too, thus I would
like to be in touch with Karachi EM address.
Jizakallah on your efforts. Please keep it up.
Regards AND BEST WISHES.
Ghazanfar,
Massey University,
New Zealand.			S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: SYMPOSIUM on PAKISTAN
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:55:54 GMT



This article is to all those interested in attending a symposium
on political/economic development and democracy in Pakistan.

The event is scheduled to take place in Colombia Univ, on Sept. 25
or Sept 26.  The organizeer (Mr. Rasul Baksh Rais) has gathered
a large roster of very prominent Pakistani and non-Pakistani
scholars and professionals to present viewpoints, ideas,
and proposals for possible initiatives.

For those of you in the tri-state (NY, NJ, CT) area, this is an
excellent opportunity to mingle with many well-accomplished
South Asians, as well as to get tips on how to help our homeland!

If you are in the area, I urge you to attend; if you are not in
the area, but know someone, please pass on the info. to them.

For details of time/place and topics,

	call Mr. Rasul Baksh Rais
	     South Asian Inst.
	     Colombia Univ.
	     212-854-8825

Thanx

Omar
omar.farooq@att.com

k
From: amuh2@bu-pub.bu.edu (muhammad ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 14 August....
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:19:13 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Keywords: Pakistan Zindabad

g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:

>Iqbal also said:

>Sare Janha Se Achhchha Hindostan Hamara.
>Hum  Bulbulain haiN iske yeh GulsitaN hamara.
>(Tarana-e-Hindi)

>>             Yeh jeena bhi koyee jeena hay lalloo.

>>    Mera joota hay Japani, Yeh patloon Inglistani
>>    Sir pay laal topi Russi, dil hay phir bhi hindustani.

>The above two lines indicates how much you (Pakistanis)
>are affected by Indians and their point of view.


WRONG, it was to convey the point in their (Indians) own medium 
to help them understand better.


>>            ToR day butt khana-e-azar kay sub laat-o-manat
>>            Muntizar hay teree zarb-e-la illah ka somnat.

>Dr. Iqbal also said:

>Her Subha Ko Uth Kar Ganye Mantar Voh Mithe Mithe
>Sare PujariyonN Ko MaiN Prit ki Pila De.

>Shakti Bhi Shanti bi Bhkton ke Git Main hai
>Dharti ke BasiyoN ki Mukti Bhi Prit Main Hai

>(Naya Shival)

>(If above four lines are not in order then please correct it.)

>>ISLAM ZINDABAD
>>PAKISTAN PAINDABAD.

>Allama Iqbal Said:

>Mazhab Nahi Sikhata Apas main Baair rakhan
>Hindi hain ham vatan hai Hindostan Hamara.


Iqbal's poetry reflects two distinct periods of his life i.e.,
first when he, like other Muslim leaders of his time, believed in
the possibility of mutual co-existence with hindus and second when
he reached the conclusion that it's impossible to co-exist with
hindus dignifiably. The verses you have quoted are from the former
period.

      Kabhi aay nawjawaN Muslim Taddabbur bhi kiya tu naiN
     
>Alas! Dr. Iqbal Lahori also said:
                 ^^^^^^

FYI, Dr. Iqbal was born in Sialkot and if you mean to demean him 
by calling him "Lahori", I can only pray again in words of Iqbal

                 Ya rab dil-e-Muslim ko wo zinda tammana day
                 Jo rooh ko tarpa day, jo qalb ko garma day 

>TaigoN ke Sayen maiN pal kar JanvaN huai
>Khanjar halal ka Quami Nishan Hamara.

     Mujhay hay hukm-e-azzaN
     la-ila-ha-il-allah

ISLAM ZINDABAD
PAKISTAN PAINDABAD

-Muhammad Ahmed 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: tm758802@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Tassawar Malik)
Subject: Hello to old netters!!!!!
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:37:17 GMT
Reply-To: tm758802@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Tassawar Malik)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

     I just wanted to say hi to all the netters of early 1992. Didnt we
have fun then ?????
     Please get in touch with me when ever you get the chance .
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: August'14 (A nice Book and Historical Errors)
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:48:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep07.182145.16792@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes...
>To: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au
>Subject: Re: August 14'.. (There is a nice book...)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan


>  a sikh state, (as some Indian Leader has said)
>  Punjab state would be enlargened, with its capital being shifted from 
>  Chandigarh to Lahore within the Constitutional Frame Work of India.
> 
>  WHAT HAS PAKISTAN LEARNT AFTER 1971. Smuggling-of-nuclear-bomb? Any way,
>  once we form Akhand Bharat, all these would not solve our problems. We need
>  to tackle our POPUPLATION problem, and other problems on Economical front.
>  As you know whole of Pakistan is Economically Bankrupt and is still 
>  continuing with this Nuclear madness. We should tackle these. Atleast,

     It amuses me you would such a thing. Today's news indicates Bharat 
(India)'s growth rate is slowest in a decade but it is still negotiating
purchasing a nuclear submarine from Russia. I will post more details on 
it an a separate post. 

     Well, I guess it is your point of view but if Pakistan's efforts to 
acquire Nuclear Power Plant to bridge the gap between demand & supply of
Power in the country is 'madness' when what will you call Bharat's ambitious 
nuclear capable missle program & nuclear submarine purchase  ? ... :)


>  if we focus our vision in that direction, then some start ! After all,
>  we cannot let small countries overtake  OUR COUNTRY Economically.
>  Atleast these economical changes have started in Greter Bharat! It is only
>  in the minor Part(present PAKISTAN)  where we need to create this 

     No, thanks, plz, we don't need any foreign intervention... ;)

>  awareness and sense of responsibility.
> 
>>
>>
>>Bye
>>Adil
>

Pakistan Zindabad! 

Asim Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]

>  *******    Garv Se Kaho ! HUM HINDU HAI!!!     ********
>  *******        SWAYAM EVA MRIGENDRATA          ********
> 
>-Indu.
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|  The views expressed above are on my personal basis.                 |
>|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
>|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: amuh2@bu-pub.bu.edu (muhammad ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 14 August...
Keywords: Pakistan Zindabad
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:21:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University


g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:

>Iqbal also said:

>Sare Janha Se Achhchha Hindostan Hamara.
>Hum  Bulbulain haiN iske yeh GulsitaN hamara.
>(Tarana-e-Hindi)

>>             Yeh jeena bhi koyee jeena hay lalloo.

>>    Mera joota hay Japani, Yeh patloon Inglistani
>>    Sir pay laal topi Russi, dil hay phir bhi hindustani.

>The above two lines indicates how much you (Pakistanis)
>are affected by Indians and their point of view.


WRONG, it was to convey the point in their (Indians) own medium 
to help them understand better.


>>            ToR day butt khana-e-azar kay sub laat-o-manat
>>            Muntizar hay teree zarb-e-la illah ka somnat.

>Dr. Iqbal also said:

>Her Subha Ko Uth Kar Ganye Mantar Voh Mithe Mithe
>Sare PujariyonN Ko MaiN Prit ki Pila De.

>Shakti Bhi Shanti bi Bhkton ke Git Main hai
>Dharti ke BasiyoN ki Mukti Bhi Prit Main Hai

>(Naya Shival)

>(If above four lines are not in order then please correct it.)

>>ISLAM ZINDABAD
>>PAKISTAN PAINDABAD.

>Allama Iqbal Said:

>Mazhab Nahi Sikhata Apas main Baair rakhan
>Hindi hain ham vatan hai Hindostan Hamara.


Iqbal's poetry reflects two distinct periods of his life i.e.,
first when he, like other Muslim leaders of his time, believed in
the possibility of mutual co-existence with hindus and second when
he reached the conclusion that it's impossible to co-exist with
hindus dignifiably. The verses you have quoted are from the former
period.

      Kabhi aay nawjawaN Muslim Taddabbur bhi kiya tu naiN
     
>Alas! Dr. Iqbal Lahori also said:
                 ^^^^^^

FYI, Dr. Iqbal was born in Sialkot and if you mean to demean him 
by calling him "Lahori", I can only pray again in words of Iqbal

                 Ya rab dil-e-Muslim ko wo zinda tammana day
                 Jo rooh ko tarpa day, jo qalb ko garma day 

>TaigoN ke Sayen maiN pal kar JanvaN huai
>Khanjar halal ka Quami Nishan Hamara.

     Mujhay hay hukm-e-azzaN
     la-ila-ha-il-allah

ISLAM ZINDABAD
PAKISTAN PAINDABAD

-Muhammad Ahmed
From: ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: sex in hereafter (was Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:25:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kefALV200UhB42gH4m
	<1992Sep5.082837.3438@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>From what I read, MEN who go to heaven will be serviced by young VIRGINs.
Male or female
Considering the fanatical thinking of most interprters of Islam their
answer would   be male
I hope its otherwise
Asad
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