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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: What about Nique?
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:14:27 GMT

The scoop about 'Nique is that he has been working his butt off rehabbing....
well, not completely, he got married a week ago to a Georgia State 
coed in a gala wedding reception....  Outside of finding a wife etc.,
he has been working his butt off on rehabbing.  People here have been 
pretty closed lipped about it.  Kasten isn't talking, neither is Weiss,
so we'll have to wait at least until training camp.  I don't 
think he has been playing any summer league ball, because they have not been
reporting it.

BTW, the wedding cake at his wedding was taller than Spud Webb.......


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From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:44:46 GMT

(Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU (Neill Tseng) writes:
>>I was just thinking about Shaquille O'Neal the other day and all the hype 
>>he's received.  Being from Houston, it couldn't help but remind me of all 
>>the hype Sampson received when he was selected with the first pick in 1983.  
>>Sampson was a chronic underachiever until injuries ruined his career, but 
>>mainly because expectations were unrealistically high.  Just wondering, does 
>>anyone think the same thing might happen to O'Neal, that he might be the 
>>next "bust"? Also, it'd be nice if someone could compare the college stats 
>>of the two.  I think that would provide for interesting perusal.
>
>I agree that expectations were always a little too high, but to call Sampson 
>a chronic underachiever until injuries ruined his career shows that you 
>simply did not follow Sampson in the pros.  
>
>As we all know (or may not know), Sampson was drafted Numero Uno by Houston 
>in 1983.  During his first three seasons in the NBA, Sampson averaged 10.4 
>RBG, 2.7 APG, 20.7 PPG, and shot 50.4% from the floor.  He also played in 
>the All-Star Game in his first three seasons and was MVP in 1985 at 
>Indianapolis.  He was NBA Rookie-of-the-year during his first season and, 
>at that time during his career, could dominate a game by himself.  He was 
>also an excellent defensive rebounder and outlet passer.

Sampson was effective in his rookie year.  So effective that he allowed
Houston to be in a position for the overall #1 pick after that year.  They
picked Akeem (without the H back then).  So Sampson led the Rockets to the
worst record in the league despite having good stats.

>If it weren't for the injuries, we would likely be saying his name when 
>talking of the modern-day centers, such as Ewing, Olajuwon, and Robinson.  
>Compare his first 3 season stats with Olajuwon and Ewing, and he didn't 
>look much like a 'chronic underachiever'...

Except for the fact that Olajuwon and Ewing emerged as team leaders, both
statistically and emotionally.  And despite the fact that teams routinely 
double and triple-teamed Olajuwon, Sampson's scoring didn't jump, either.
Sampson's rebounds also declined considerably after moving to PF from Center.  
Not unexpected, but still....  I can recall a couple of games he took over, 
but it was not often.  In fact, in the 86 Finals, the best game Houston 
played was without Sampson who got ejected for swinging at Sichting (or was 
it Wedman?).

Sampson's 3 best years speak for themselves:  they are very good.  But 3 
years does not a career make.  Did he have any injury-free years after the
ones you posted?  How did he do then?

I think I agree with Neill that Sampson seemed like an underachiever.  But
it was mostly because expectations were so unreasonably high.  Just an
above-average-to-All-Star-Quality job wasn't going to do it for a 3-time CPOTY!


Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:03:56 GMT

In article <BvnpBI.58@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>	Trivia -- can someone name (without looking) the a player who played
>	more than 8 years, and his scoring averaged dropped every year from
>	his rookie season?

      Sidney Wicks, I believe.
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From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:37:03 GMT

When I read that Detroit made that (insane) offer to Mills I nearly lost my
breakfast. I am extremely happy that the Nets were not foolish enough to 
match that offer. IMHO Mills is just NOT that good. He has never put up the 
numbers that he should have. His weight being 270+ (as reported by the net
gurus) is just another reason to let him play in Detroit. 

Some how I couldn't see Coach Daly putting up with Mills. Of'course he does
have to deal with the rest of the headcases they have in the swamp (Meadowlands)

					Dennis J.
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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:27:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.171709.18033@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

|> >On the radio this morning, I heard that Magic Johnson has signed a 1-year
|> >extension to his contract worth $14.6 MILLION.  This would be the largest
|> >contract ever awarded in team sports (obviously).
|> 
|> TRUE!
|> Lets see here.  Magic retires and the Lakers use 1/2 his old salary
|> to sign Threat.  Then Magic decides to some back and all of a sudden
|> they can pay him 14.6M.  There's a couple problems with this:
|> 
|> 
|> 1) The Lakers shouldn't own the rights to Magic.  The signing of Threat
|>    was only made possible by Magic leaving.  And now they can have him
|>    back for free?  If you want some extra money under the cap, have a
|>    player or two retire, sign someone under free agency and then have
|>    those players come out of retirement.  Apparently retired players
|>    can be brought back without counting against the cap.
|> 
|> 2) Even if the Lakers are entitled to Magic's services (which I don't
|>    think they are), they should still have to sign him under the cap.
|>    If the Lakers are over the cap (which I imagine they are) that would
|>    mean giving him the league minimum.  Period.  OK, so maybe you can
|>    argue he's entitled to the other half of his salary they weren't using
|>    on Threat.
|>    
|> That's the best they should have been able to do.  Where the Hell is 14.6M
|> come from.  That's more than the Cap for any single team, isn't it?
|> This thing is a complete pile of shit.
|> --
|> Harry Koehnemann
|> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu

I understand your confusion, but you are incorrect on most of your points.
One, Sedale Threatt was signed way before Magic even found he had HIV.
Two, Magic never retired so the Lakers still owned his rights.  Three,
because Magic was out with a season-long injury, the Lakers could reduce
the salary counted against the cap by half of his salary.
Four, since Magic was still under contract through last year, the 14.6
million this year and the 2.5 million for each of the next two years are
just extensions of his current contract.  Any team can pay limitless amounts
to resign or extend the contracts of their current players regardless
of what that does to the cap.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks \*really\* going to be that good?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:04:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.025217.61331@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ksw3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KENNETH STARR WATSON) writes:
>
>    I only have a few questions about the new Knicks team.  What happens if
>    Anthony goes down at point guard?  Doc Rivers used to be pretty good but
>    he seems to be injured a lot of the time.  Also Anthony didn't do much to
>    impress me during the regular season last year (can you say trigger?).
>    Also, how long will it take a bunch of strangers to play like a team?
>    What are the Knicks planning to do at the forward positions?  Will Mason
>    play more SF?  He has surprising quickness for somebody that big.  OK so I
>had more than a couple questions, but I think the Knicks should still be a
>good team and should give Jordan & Co. a run for their money.

Rivers has had a lot of weird injuries, cuts and what not.  But I think he's
pretty healthy now and ready to go.  He'll supply the Knicks with penetration
which is something that they haven't seen in a while.  How long will it take
for a bunch of strangers to play like a team?  It took Pat Riley only one
off season to get a bunch of career losers to play up to potential.  I really
wish they hadn't lost McDaniel...losing your starting small forward to a
division rival is stupid.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: drew@Unify.com (Andrew Baltzley)
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Roumor
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 21:23:43 GMT

In article <17638@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ksmoore@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (Kevin S. Moore) writes:
> As I understand it, Rodman has stated in no uncertain terms that he
> wants out of Detroit, and that he would be VERY interested in playing
> for Sacramento (something to do with his girlfriend living there).
> Apparently he is being SO vehement about it that it seems QUITE likely
> that he will be traded, but probably NOT to Sacramento.  
> 
> that's what I heard.

	I do believe his girlfriend lives in Sacto.  I recently saw Rodman at an apartment
complex where a lot of the Kings live.  An interesting note, he had driven his car from
Michigan.  Hmm.

	I don't like the trade myself.  I would just tell Anthony Bonner that the first
jump shot he takes, he's off the team.  The man can rebound if he concentrates on it.

Drew
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Bullets. Pistons.
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.022132.4118@nuscc.nus.sg>
art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG LING LING) writes:
 
>Now after the dust has settled, what's the probable starting line-up and
>key bench players for the Bullets and the Pistons ?
 
Pistons
Starters
G Isiah Thomas
G Joe Dumars
F Orlando Woolridge
F Dennis Rodman
C Olden Polynice
 
Key Reserves
G Darrell Walker
F Mark Aguirre
F Terry Mills
C Bill Laimbeer
 
 
 
 
--Eric
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:16:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.123248.9179@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU (Neill Tseng) writes:
>>I was just thinking about Shaquille O'Neal the other day and all the hype 
>>he's received.  Being from Houston, it couldn't help but remind me of all 
>>the hype Sampson received when he was selected with the first pick in 1983.  
>>Sampson was a chronic underachiever until injuries ruined his career, but 
>>mainly because expectations were unrealistically high.  Just wondering, does 
>>anyone think the same thing might happen to O'Neal, that he might be the 
>>next "bust"? Also, it'd be nice if someone could compare the college stats 
>>of the two.  I think that would provide for interesting perusal.
>
>I agree that expectations were always a little too high, but to call Sampson 
>a chronic underachiever until injuries ruined his career shows that you 
>simply did not follow Sampson in the pros.  

Well, the hype about O'Neal has got to blast all the other centers into
oblivion.  Although all the other centers (Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Sampson)
got plenty of press, only Robinson had anywhere near Shaquille's numbers in
college.  But what the league and the Orlando Magic must see is the sheer
potential O'Neal has.  No, maybe it's premature saying how well he can do in
the league considering he hasn't played a single game yet (and he has to dunk
over someone about a half foot taller than he's used to), but just the guy's
physical dimensions, and his athleticism for someone so big (like that unreal
vertical that makes him the most powerful dunker I've ever seen), is really
what gives him such press coverage.  Not only is he 7'1'', he's nearly 300
pounds.  Do you know how incredibly fat other centers would be at that
weight?  Even reputed fatso, Kevin Duckworth is only 280 lbs. (I think).
O'Neal is 300 pounds of pure muscle.  I think if he stood next to Robinson
(who he outweighs by 70 pounds), the Admiral would look like a toothpick.

This is not to say how good he will be, but those are the reasons such
expectations exist.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:18:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvnpBI.58
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>*Sampson
>Season  Games  FG%   FT%   Rebs  Asts    PPG
>83-84      82 .523  .661    913   163   21.0
>84-85      82 .502  .676    853   224   22.1
>85-86      79 .488  .641    879   283   18.9     

	Interesting to note -- after that 2nd season of 22.1 ppg, Sampson's
	scoring average dropped every season he played after that.

	Trivia -- can someone name (without looking) the a player who played
	more than 8 years, and his scoring averaged dropped every year from
	his rookie season?

	Jazzy J
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Vote NBA!
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:05:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvID0E.M9J
Organization: Indiana University

In article <38333@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
>Tired of Bush, Clinton, and the on-again-off-again candidacy of Ross
>Perot?  Well, I'm here to offer you a real alternative-- vote NBA!
>Let's clean out Washington and fill it up with NBA personalities!
>Here's the slate:
>
>President:					Magic Johnson
>Vice President:				Larry Bird

Why does this sound like FDR/Truman to me?

>Secretary of the Treasury:			Michael Jordan

He could erase most of the deficit himself, I imagine.

>Supreme Court Justice:				Darrell Garretson

AAAAAIEEEEE! I thought Clarence Thomas was bad...




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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: morty@midips.in-berlin.de (Martin Poetter)
Subject: Searching for warm-up
Organization: Private Organisation fuer angewandte Informagie
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 11:44:40 GMT

Hi,

I am 17 years old and live in Germany. I play basketball quite well in a
Berlin team. 

I wanna buy a warm-up (like the U.S. pros have), but unfortunatly I haven't
found any here in Berlin. It seems to me that they're not available in
German shops. Maybe you could send me the adress of a sports shop
or something like that in the U.S. which sells warm-ups, that would be great!

bye, Uli.

PS: This mail was written on my big brother's P.C. :-)
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Student d. E-Technik, TU Berlin, 6. Sem.
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Person
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:44:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Did Chuck Person get traded?  Where is he now, and who got what in the
deal?

Mike
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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (KING OF THE BEACH)
Subject: Re: 1992-1993 NBA.C PROGRAM IS HERE!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:12:52 GMT
Keywords: NBA schedule NBC TNT

where can i get a copy of this??

i never saw the original post for some weird reason.

thanks.

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From: max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Is Magic greedy/selfish?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:11:42 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct6.171033.6242@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>can cause cuts and abrasions such that blood,  not to mention perspira-
>tion and saliva, can be exchanged), I want the players in his league to

Just to clarify, blood transfer is one of the easiest means of catching
the virus.  Only 1-2 mL of blood is needed for risk to occur.  However,
to have an equivalent risk of getting the virus from saliva, you would
need to drink approximately 1 quart of saliva, or about the same amount
of sweat.  Just something I picked up from a science class.
From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:13:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: 3cpu.4272
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Sep29.145953.727@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
> [...Discussion things Duckworth is doing or should do to
> 
>  1. Get his weight down
>  2. Improve his attitude, and
>  3. Get his game back
>I can confirm that we have this discussion every year around this
>time. But Kevin never listens.


 What would be your projection if Duckworth did all three of those things?
For that matter, if he did 1 and 2 would 3 follow? And if Kevin did listen
, would he be able to "hear"? :-)



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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: johnson
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:21:43 GMT

In article <s915071.718338248@otto> s915071@otto (Kevin HARKNESS) writes:
>did magic johnson really catch AIDS from michael's dirty butt!

You are a sick person.  Whether you were serious or not does not alter
this fact.  I will not presume to lecture you, but I emplore you, give
everyone a break, give up your net access.
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Ignorant (was Re: Selfish)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Oct06.175815.6496@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

>Shows you know a little something.  I figured you were going to say that
>Magic might pass it to Isiah when they kiss cheeks at mid-court.  You make
>it sound like HIV blood is like acid.

This is really an excellent point.  The chances of contracting the virus
through this sort of contact are really slim.  The NBA players that this
other fellow is worried about are at a far greater risk in their bedroom than
on the court.

>Sure it's possible.  It's also possible that 50 other NBAers would test 
>HIV positive, so should we then test them all and toss out everyone who
>comes up positive?  I think not.

This is another good point, and one that raises an interesting question.
Magic discovered that he was HIV + because he took the test while applying
for a new insurance policy, as I recall.  I would imagine that other players
would have similar policies, and thus, similar tests.  Yet Magic is the only
player that tested positive.  This means that either the other players (and I
mean this in both senses) in the league are all lucky, or some might have
withheld the information.  Of course, considering how long the disease can
incubate, who really knows for sure? I'm just curious to see if there were
any quiet, semi-mysterious retirings in the last few years.  After all, who's
really going to know you have it unless you tell everyone?
>It's also positive that someone you work with might have AIDS, and might
>bump into you coming around the corner.  You might cut him with a fingernail
>and then accidentally contract AIDS.  LET'S QUARANTINE THEM ALL!!!!!!

Another good point.  NC's removal of state-funded confidential AIDS testing
is disturbing.
>Magic and all others that have tested HIV positive should live a secluded life
>behind closed doors, just to make sure that no freak accident ever occurs that
>could jepordize anyone else's livelihood.  Magic is just trying to live like 
>a normal person, which he is.

Agreed.  Though some have questioned his validity as a role model to kids 
(hey, if he can still play, then it's not so bad), I think he's an even
better shining example to those who are HIV +.  Magic shows in a high-profile
way that contracting the virus is not the end of your life.  AIDS is now
treated in the same way that cancer once was; people who got it were once
treated as outcasts.  Let's hope this trend ends.
  (see, Andrew, Duke and Carolina fans can agree sometimes!)
--Rob Clough