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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Writable CD prices dropping? (was Re: Scanning prices)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:28:54 GMT
Keywords: PhotoCD

In article <Bx3M5p.Gwv@ra.nrl.navy.mil> buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren Buchanan) writes:
>It sounds like we have a great source for inexpensive (mostly) blank disks.  
>The lowest published price I have seen for blank CD-R63 is $25US for 100 or 
>more disks or $27.50US for CD-R74.  Just go out and buy a 12 exposure roll

If the Kodak stuff (spit) does actually catch on
in the mass market, does that mean the price of write-once CD blanks
will drop significantly?  They're about 30 pounds here ($50).  Are the
Kodak blanks compatible with ordinary ISO 9660 data CDs?  and music? (the
CD writer we're buying will write music CDs - dunno what the fancy
name for them is but they play in ordinary CD players)

G
PS Yes, I realise that *formatted* Kodak CDs aren't readable by all
CDrom readers; it's just the unformatted blanks I'm asking about.
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From: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROM, XA, CD-I, PhotoCD, CD+G
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:42:46 GMT


	Hi all...

	First thing, if there is an FAQ for this group which will answer all these questions, could someone tell me where to find it, rather than flaming me for it...
	OK..

	How can I set up my PC, so that I can access CD-ROM, CD-ROM-XA, CD-I, PhotoCD and maybe even CD+G. If this is not at all possible, you can tell me, I won't be too dissapointed.
	The reason I ask, is because I have not yet baught my CD-ROM drive, and am wanting suggestions on what to buy, so that I can keep up with all the different formats.
	
	Any help would be greatly appreciated...

	Ross Bennetts...

		rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au
From: BMENK@CCR2.BBN.COM
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: BMENK@CCR2.BBN.COM
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

I'm not currently a member of this list, so kindly respond to me directly.  If
I receive a sufficient response, I will gladly summarize and make sure the
results are posted to you list.  I've posted the same question to CDROMLAN.
Sorry about the duplication for those of you belonging to both lists.

We're currently putting together a package to provide CDROM access
over a Novell network (3.11) using SCSI Express.  I don't expect
any particular problems with this for those users on IBM-clones.
The CD's we'd like to make available include Computer Select,
Compact Disclosure, and Wilson Business Abstracts.

My question is concerned with how best to offer access to the
Macintosh platform.  We're examining several possible avenues of
approach to the problem and would like to hear from anyone who has
attempted to solve this problem in a similar setting.

One approach is to buy a 10-user license to SoftPC and put that on
the server so that Macs accessing the network could come in and run
the CD's without having to have a DOS emulator on their client
stations.

Another avenue might be to dump the Mac version on to a large hard
drive and set that up as an alternate spot on the network that Macs
could access - after negotiating the licensing with the vendor of
course.

Does anyone have any other ideas on this problem?  We have ruled
out the Logicraft and Infoserver routes.

I should add that I'm the non-technical part of the group that's
working on this, so I may have stated our options inadequately for
the technical people out there.  If so, and you need clarification
to help out, I will gladly try to obtain it for you.

Thanks in advance for your collective expertise.
_______________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Toolworks Encyclopedia with SCSI Express?
From: dvincent@actrix.gen.nz (David Vincent)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:04:31 GMT
Organization: Actrix Networks

does anyone know if Toolworks Multimedia Encyclopedia version 5.0
can be made to work with SCSI Express. The software seems to need
mscdext.exe.

thanx

dvincent@actrix.gen.nz
From: barjun@leland.Stanford.EDU (ASHWIN BULCHANDANI)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD Rom Master
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:08:13 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA



Hi.  Can anyone give me information regarding the cost of producing a
CD Rom and the name of anyone who does it?


Thanks very much.  Please reply directly to barjun@leland.stanford.edu



Ashwin Bulchandani
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: "david shadoff" <david.shadoff@canrem.com>
Subject: programming intfc.
Reply-To: "david shadoff" <david.shadoff@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:32:18 EST

Does anybody have information about the low-level interface to the
CD-ROM through MSCDEX or equivalent ?  (NOT Windows).  I want to write
a CD-audio control panel for Desqview/X (most of the DOS control panels
end up being either lame or puny-functional).
Thanks.

 - Dave
 
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From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Will CD300[i] work with a NeXT?
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:05:41 GMT
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway


I have the 'standard' NeXT CD-Rom player (Sony mechanism).
I was wondering if I could instead use Apples newest CD300/
CD300i, which includes all the formats the NeXT reads (ISO9660,
Rockridge, Mac HFS, NeXT proprietary, Music) plus Photo CD (and 
maybe one more I forgot).  If I could use it as a regular NeXT CD
that would be great, as drivers for the 'other' formats could
be used as they are developed, I assume.

So, is Apples SCSI been revamped to 'real' SCSI (i.e. works on
all generic SCSI buses - Sun, Dec, NeXT, IBM) so I can plug
this drive in and go?

Anyone have any experience with this drive on  a NeXT, or other
CD-Roms that read the Kodak Photo-CD disks???

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@alf.uib.no
From: Chris Oesterling <chris@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Can't play music.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:12:19 EST
Reply-To: chris@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

I was wondering if I could get some help. I have the Adaptec 1542B,
Texel 3048 cd-rom drive, and Sound Blaster Pro. When I try to use
the CDPLYR program I cannot get music to come out. The strange thing
is the hard drive light (the one on the tower case that's hooked
to the adaptec) is lit the whole time CDPLYR is up. My cd-rom light
never activates. Creative Labs (I'm starting to get upset with) had
no suggestions. Any oher person have this problem?
 
Thanks,
Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: burtis@INFERENCE.COM ("Christopher T. Burtis")
Subject: Sound Blaster NOISE
Reply-To: "Christopher T. Burtis" <burtis@INFERENCE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:48:03 GMT

I have a sound blaster pro with the sound blaster cd rom.
I haven't had any problems to speak of until now.

I have upgraded my mother board from a 386dx/33 to a 486dx/33.
Ever since the upgrade I have very bad static all the time and
very loud white noise when VOC files are played.

If I turn the FM portion of the sound blaster to 0
the problem goes away.  Of course so does the FM portion of
the sound blaster.

Any help would be VERY appreciated!!!!

....Chris
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: PhotoCD as an alternative to drum scanning for 4-color work?
Reply-To: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:14:13 GMT

If you find out please let me know.  We are considering this from
transparency or negatives.  (Anything is cheaper than our current
proprietary solution!)
-Andy

hauer@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer) writes:
>I am assuming that by now someone has used PhotoCD as to get cheap 4-color
>separations done, but I would like to know the resulting quality.  PhotoCD
>seems like a wonderful idea, potentially replacing the $70 drum scans we
>currently have done.  Does anyone who has done both have any comments as to
>how PhotoCD compares to drum scanning on color-correctness, etc?
>
>When following up please note if you are having your PhotoCD generated from
>slides, negatives or film.
>
>-Corey
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From: lennart@lulea.trab.se (Lennart Boklund)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-I and CD-ROM-XA
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:41:58 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4

Background: I'm studying various CD-formats as a part of my final-degree
            project. While comparing CD-I and CD-ROM-XA formats, some
            questions appeared...
            I've read an article in CD-I World, Volume 1, issue 1, called
            "The CD-I disc: a technical overview", by Eric Miller and
            Walden Miller. I've also read the FAQ, the "format" article
            at cdrom.com and lots of internet postings.

Now, in "The CD-I disc...", it says that on CDs, four types of sectors are
found on CDs. Audio, mode 1, mode 2 form 1 and mode 2 form 2. That's OK with
me. Then they say, "...mode 2 sectors are used on CD-I discs...".
This sounds just like XA to me.

Question: Is there a difference between the CD-I disc/sector formats? (What?)

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Regards,
Lennart.

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email: lennart@lulea.trab.se
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: XID@IAEA1.BITNET (David White IAEA Vienna)
Subject: Photo-CD and Corel
Reply-To: David White IAEA Vienna <XID@IAEA1.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:26:45 GMT

I understand that it is possibly to read a Kodak Photo-CD picture
with the Corel PhotoPaint progam that comes with CorelDraw 3.0.

Has anyone tried this? What file format would the pictures be in?
I haven't found any reference to Photo-CD in the manual or in the
Help file, but I'm sure I've read it is possible.

I have some unnamed builtin CD drive in my machine that works sofar
with any CD I have tried with it, so I assume that I will be able
to read at least one session of a Photo-CD, but I don't know the
format. Will the CD look like a normal DOS disk?

David White
IAEA, Vienna, Austria
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4418 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:29561
From: stu@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Stu Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: What's a decent CD-ROM at a good price?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:02:58 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: stu.warren.mentorg.com

I am looking for a CD-ROM drive at a good price.

How important is variances in access time, transfer rate, and buffer size
between varous drives?

The drive I am now considering is the Talon TA-100 which is 380ms, 150Kb
transfer, and 8K buffer.

Will I notice the difference between the Talon and the Sony 535, for example,
which has a 340ms access time?

I plan to use the drive with MultiMedia CD-ROMS, so will I see a big
difference in full motion video and audio if I were to spend $200 more
and get a high-end CD-ROM (or even $120 more for the Sony)?

Thanks!
-- 
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Mentor Graphics Corporation
I.C. Group, Warren NJ
stu@warren.mentorg.com or uunet!sdl!stu
From: chris@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Chris Arps)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Bottom Line on Photo CD
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:25:04 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

All this patent bull**** is really starting to piss me off!

1) If you can patent a lousy file format, then SONY could have
patented the CD and its format and got a piece of every CD made.
Why aren't you paying SONY, Kodak?

2) If Kodak supposedly spent so much technical time and effort,
why didn't they develop their OWN optical media and readers
so that the data format would be secure.

3) Some countries (Hong Kong, Brazil, Italy) do not 
offer any patent protection and will make products anyway.

4) If this type of logic applies to standard products, then
an automobile parts manufacturer that is making Ford
replacement/enchancement parts could be sued for patent
infringement.

COME ON! You should be able to patent a whole product, not
the underlying algorithms that support it.  You are supposed
to survive by keeping trade secrets SECRET and by competeing
with the rest of the world.  This forces you to improve your
product in order to compete.

If this patent nonsense (hah!) is allowed to continue,
the small software shop or independent programmer might
as well find another job (or move to Brazil).  You will
also see software development in this country grind to a
halt as competition is legislated against.  Of course
this means that prices will aslo go up!.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: "jim clements" <jim.clements@canrem.com>
Subject: caddyless cd-rom driv
Reply-To: "jim clements" <jim.clements@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:24:15 EST

TJ>Does anyone know of any CD-ROM drives (preferably the newer, faster
TJ>models that support multi-session Photo CD) that don't require
TJ>those stupid disk caddies?

TJ>For that matter, why are they so ubiquitous in the data world and
TJ>so conspicuously absent from the audio world.  I can't believe that it's
TJ>to protect the disk - they get as much (or more) wear from being
TJ>loaded into the caddies, I would think.

(some deleted for space)

I believe caddies were first introduced because they allowed drive
manufacturers to eliminate some space-taking mechanisms so that
the drives could fit into a standard bay. That information is NOT
authoritative -- it is based on several of the earliest mentions
of caddies that I could find in the literature available to me.
Two specifically said it was to allow use in a standard bay.

It is interesting that caddy proponents still hold dear the
concept that caddies are there to protect the discs because
the information on them is so fragile -- although as anyone
who reads the various nets can attest, there has never been
glut of messages from people who have lost the use of discs
through ordinary useage.

In fact lately I've been amazed at how discs are being shipped
these days. The Nautilus monthly CD-ROM magazine is mailed in
a flexible plastic sleeve enclosed in an ordinary paper 
envelope. Profit Press sends its MegaDemo in a paper sleeve
in a paper envelope. After all that they should go into a
caddy to "protect" them?

I think another factor is that many of the earlier purchasers
of drives were sysops and businesses -- both inclined to
insert a particular disc and leave it there for weeks or
months and neither likely (especially in early days) to
have a large number and wide variety of discs. Caddies and
their costs were not much a frustration for them.

But for home users, especially those with a growing library
of CD-ROM discs, caddies can be an (expensive) pain. I have
about 60 discs, some were free, a number of others cost
less than $20. It seems silly to "protect" them with a caddy
that costs more in some cases than the disc does. And a
convenient caddyless tray can be less cumbersome and less
likely to damage a disc than trying to insert it into and
retrieve it from a caddy each time you wish to use it.

On the other hand there are circumstances where I always
recommend a caddy drive -- libraries, schools, most businesses,
homes where there are children and the likelyhood of sticky 
little fingers, for instance.

And of course all of the "state-of-the-art" drives still
make them mandatory. But I believe there is a good chance
caddies will go the way of the platypus when technology
improves.
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From: HCLADM08@UCONNVM.BITNET
Subject: VENDACARDS
Reply-To: HCLADM08@UCONNVM.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:58:52 GMT

Colleagues--

Concerning printing (any type of printer) at the workstation
(stand alone or network):  does anyone have any experience using
"VENDACARDS" or cards that patrons pay to have encoded with a
number of copies?  The scenario: patron puts card in card reader,
issues print command, print is generated, units are deducted from
card.

If anyone has this situation--how well does it work, how long have you
had the system, who is the vendor.  In addition, has anyone ever given
a print commanded and subsequently ejected his card thereby leaving the
next person who puts a card in the reader to pay for a print he doesn't
want?

Thanks in advance for replies!

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Farmington, CT 06034
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From: James.Porter@mechanic.Fidonet.org (James Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Phony SCIFI on TV an
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 16:58:26 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

GVN>One of the worst uses of Science knowledge is the visible
GVN>phasor beams. We shouldn't be able to see it if its some
GVN>kind of directed energy beam.  Yes-No?

Frankly the beams move much too slowly........But at least its one
continuous beam until the person firing lets go of the trigger.  Alot of
SciFi flick have the chunk beams which are utterly ridiculous.

Lauren
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: Photo CD formats
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:38:25 GMT

regarding "new" information on alternative PhotoCD formats.

All you speak of was contained in the press releases from Kodak from
August 25th 1992 and widely circulated in various trade magazines. The
detailed descriptions can be found in free mailings from Kodak or in
materials the various Silver/Gold developers of PhotoCD receive.

Bill


Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: dimento@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Christian Moskal)
Subject: CompuServe CD-ROM group?
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:25:53 GMT

Hello,

I am looking for the name of the CompuServe CD-ROM group? Can somebody
please help me out here?

Thank you,
-- Chris

Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4473 comp.compression:3833
From: Brian Finley <finley@dinah.lerc.nasa.gov>
Subject: DOS CDROMS and the MAC
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:00:12 GMT
Organization: Sverdrup Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d10
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:56:02 GMT

Is there a program for the mac that will allow one to read a CDROM
for a dos machine on the mac.  The data on the cdrom I have is binary data
files(ie 32 bit floating point numbers)  which I would like to read on my
mac 
and graph the data.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.BITNET
Subject: Photo CD formats etc.
Reply-To: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:37:54 GMT

   One suggestion for an anon. FTP site for Photo CD related info.
is "export.lcs.mit.edu" (as I recall). This seems to be a major site for
various bits of software contributed for UNIX machines, and I think is the
major distribution site for X window software.
   Also, SIMTEL-20 would be a logical choice (don't know the address offhand.)

   Perhaps Kodak could give some indication of the consideration of
charging significantly less than $100,000 for source code to access
Photo-CDs. Say $99 ... Of course, this would have to appeal to the line
of reasoning which says that a $99 product will likely sell over 1000 times
the volume of the same thing priced at $100,000. This way Kodak can do
what significant numbers of software companies do -- sell source code (
for example, the source to your favorite "C" compiler's libraries) --
and make money while providing an ostensibly high quality product ostensibly
meeting Kodak's specs for Photo-CD access. This opens up a market segment
to Kodak that otherwise is bound to be filled by freebie stuff from
internet hackers, which will wind up onto a $30 CD-ROM sold by Walnut
Creek software and sold by the thousands. (Prediction, you heard it here
first.)
  Copyrights are easier to enforce (and detect) than patents, in my view.
Also more perceived "value added" to sell somebody some software that
does something without being a total black box. Of course there will be
some illegal copying going on. But the same can be said for binaries.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ancaw@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Optical Systems for Netware
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:51:05 GMT

Hello Everyone.  I am searching for information on optical drives and 
optical jukebox systems that are SCSI based and will work with Novell 
Netware.  Currently we have 5 gigabytes of SCSI hard disk for storage 
but it's just not enough.  I've read old articles on the Tahiti drive,
a multifunction drive from Pioneer and a drive from Panasonic.  What 
I would like is a drive with some kind of robotic changer that will
accomodate at least 10 cartridges - either WORM or read-writeable.  
I'm tired of buying products and then trying to make them work with
Netware - so I would like this system to be easy to install and manage.
My guess is that it would need a special NLM so that Netware can
deal with it as a removeable volume instead of a permanent volume.
If anyone has any comments on a particular optical drive or jukebox
system I would appreciate reading them.  Thanks in advance..........
From: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Caddyless CD-ROM Drives for the Mac?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:56:49 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

Does anyone know of any CD-ROM drives (preferably the newer, faster
models that support multi-session Photo CD) that don't require
those stupid disk caddies?  I'd like something with a sliding drawer
or one like the in-dash audio players - that slurps it in
automatically.

For that matter, why are they so ubiquitous in the data world and
so conspicuously absent from the audio world.  I can't believe that it's
to protect the disk - they get as much (or more) wear from being
loaded into the caddies, I would think.

Thanks-
  Tom

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tj@cs.ucla.edu                               -Tori Amos
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