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From: 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Hello, how are you ?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:45:10 GMT
Organization: Dept of Applied Physics, Waseda University
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wucc.cfi.waseda.ac.jp

In article <1992Aug19.193326.7263@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.131457.16975@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
>writes:
>> >My question:
>> >	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>> >owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>> >than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>> >Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>> >had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>> >to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>> >I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>> >suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>> >need of an apology to Korea either.

  Chinese government, either Beijing or Taibei, had never asked an
apology from Japanese. Only Korea's seems like the apologies from
other people, not only Japanese but also Chinese. A nationality who
need otherperson's apology everyday will not be a devoloped, great
nationality forever.




-- 
			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: A lie
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:09:06 GMT

In article <25661@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.201317.10857@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>
>What is the Chinese term for these "community reprensentatives" ?
>Do they have a fixed term of office, and clearly defined jurisdiction?
>In other words, what powers do they have, and how are they related
>to the city, regional, or provincial governments ?  As far as I
>can tell, the National People's Congress, which I infer you mean
>by "national representatives", is an advisory or consultative body
>with no real power over the CCP.
>
It has on paper the supreme power, in reality it's a rubber stamp.
But recently it started to gain a bit power, not very much, 
and more delegates are speaking out more ofen.  The situation
is similar for the provincial & city "people's congresses".

>Joe Huang
>the 
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:50:34 GMT


Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
used to by Americans.

I have my jealousy to Americans. I think, perhaps as Chinese, 
it is their fate that they will never have a right to vote.
"Only citizens can vote", I was told by an American. This concept
doesn't exist in China. In China there are only so many foreigners.

Who cares the vote? You are not going to be the President anyway.
Without your vote, the earth is still rotating. A vote? It is too
insiginificant to a man. By the way, I still live well without
any voting right throughout my life.

So I live under other people's mercy. That is not bad at all. You
can say I have saved a lot of my time because I don't have to 
worry that small, little and insignificant thing called vote.

After so many years, I begin to question myself if my dream for
that small, little and insignificant "vote" is right. When Americans
vote, I laugh at them. How stupid they are! We Chinese never vote.
We don't like voting. Because we are Chinese and we believe voting
is bad for a country.

Have you seen that without voting, China has the best Prime Minister
in the world? He came as a butcher. He can slaughter people like
pigs. Have you ever heard a butcher became a Prime Minister? No,
only in China. Carter became a President from a carpenter, but
comparing to our Prime Minister from a butcher, that is nothing
at all.

Xiao Li
From: 63414871@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Requesting
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:37:00 GMT


  Please put my e-mail address on your mailing list. Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Person living in Nanking/Nanjing (China)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:23:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.214311.17654@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> arminl@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Armin Luetkenhaus) writes:
>
>I'm looking for a person who is living in the city of Nanking/Nanjing (China)
>and would do me a favour. First, I have to say that I'm sorry I don't know
>the correct spelling of the city name, but I hope both names denote the same
>city and there is only one with this name in China...
>
>The situation: A friend of mine studies Asiatic languages. She is going to
>spend some time in Nanking (China) to improve her knowledge.  I would like
>to surprise her with a bunch of flowers or another little gift as a sign
>of welcome.  Because of financial reasons I can't come to China to do so :-).
>If you're living in Nanking and would like to welcome her, please let me know.
>
>Thanks in advance
>--- Armin ---
>


What a nice idea! I wish I could be still in Nanjing. I had arranged
similar surprises for one of my friends, and the result turned out to be
just perfect. However this didn't happen until I spent more than 50 bucks
on the phone commanding my operation in China.

This is the time you wish China has internet access...

Or you could order flowers in China by calling 1-800-FLOWERS...

KEEP GOING!


Fan
-- 
Fan YU                     Internet: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
Department of Physics              (416)525-9140 ext:3296
McMaster University           
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada     ---------------------------------
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: protection bill
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:10:23 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


 
In article <11AUG199221354641@rigel.tamu.edu>  r1n7008@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
|>   (2) has resided continuously in the United States since April
|>11, 1990 (other than brief, casual, and innocent absences); and
|                      ^^^^^  ^^^^^^      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|Here is a question. Do you know how to define a brief, causal, and innocent
|absence from this country? 

My understanding is:
brief: less than 90 days.
casual: didn't wear three-piece suit during the trip.
innocent: tried some white powder but didn't inhale.

Smile 8-).
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From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: GNP by purchasing power
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:51:50 GMT
    <92229.161232ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> <9223215.15570@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> 
    <1992Aug19.154527.39424@watson.ibm.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So) writes:

>Over here where I live, Japs is not an abbreviation for Japanese.

Just want to learn some language: who created the word ????(I dare not to use)
British or American? And when?

Thanks.

>-- 
>Edward So,  Computing Systems, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
>IBM VNET: EDSO at WATSON       Internet: edso@watson.ibm.com
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From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:43:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <903@hobby.ukc.ac.uk>, mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes...

>We have seen plenty of hysterical rants over the past few
>days from Chinese and Koreans. They display a deep-seated
>anti-Japanese feeling. No apology will destroy this racism. Japanese
>war crimes are just an excuse for racism.

Is Japanese war crimes really just an excuse?  Why do Chinese and
Koreans have a deep-seated anti-Japanese feeling?  You mean it is
due to the Japanese invasion of their auto industry, or the dumping
of Japanese goods in their local market?  Let's be reasonable.  Try
and distinguish the cause and effect.

-- T.H. Tse
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Arechinese womenmore attractive than they were 40 yrs ago
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:40:02 GMT

X Xu wrote:
>            They were so attractive that the poor young grad student
             had to die without a complain.

But if that poor young grad student were from No Way, the story must
have been different :-(

BTW, just curious, are you the same Johnson Xu? Smell the same :-)
From: lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:11:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <92Aug14.132341edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
>the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
>for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
>dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
>mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
>a reason.  
>
>Y. Liu 

Don't be so sure, this is the China as described by Macro Polo, and he
made it sound like the Golden Age of any nation.

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From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD:  related to green-card lobby stuff
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:27:23 GMT
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.

jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing) wrote:

+   forwarded for an anonymous netter:
+
+
+   ------------ cut here ---------------- cutr here --------------------
+
+
+   Grapevine 8-7-1992
+
+   Disclaimer: the Grapevine series offers unconfirmed rumors.  Reader
+	       discretion is recommended.
+
+   ====================================================================
+
+   A Chinese student in California claimed that she had sent the FBI a list
+   of some opponents to the "Chinese Students Protection Act 1992", most
+   of whom were Chinese students in the US, though there were also three
+   Americans and one Canadian on the list.

	I am sure that I know who this woman is.  She did a lot of 
	Mai(sell) Bi things before 1989 because during that period she 
	was holding a visa (X-1? for visiting scholar), and she felt that
	she could not get her visa until she switched to a non-Chinese 
	husband.  Hey, California is NOT Nevada, prostitution is illegal
	here.  I reserve my right for filing a similar report about this
	woman:-).

	However, she did a great job!  She helped those anti-Blood-Card 
	activists to obtain more influence and publicity--after her report,
	FBI at least knows that there are a few more people opposing the
	Blood Card bill.

	I am sure that both the Chinese "FBI" and the US FBI know which
	side I stand with, at least, both before and after her report.

+   She also said that a copy of the list had been sent to the INS, so that
+   "these CCP running dogs will never get the greencard".

	I think that her report is totally TuoKuuZi DaPi--unecessary.  INS
	knows that there are a whole lot of people opposing the blood
	card bill, among them there are US citizens and Chinese citizens.

+Good news, isn't it?  Please tell that female Chinese student to put me on 
+that black list. Even thought I was deeply involved in 6.4, I opposes 
+personally "The Bill for Easy Green Card".

	You are under arrest:-).

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Grage Sale
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:08:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.153716.11454@bradley.bradley.edu> casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston) writes:
>In <11AUG199223494141@venus.tamu.edu> f0l8973@venus.tamu.edu writes:
>
>>I swear that I can see tear in Cindy's eyes.  When we open the car door, Ben 
>>looked back, "These Americans!  They never know how to do business."  This 
>>time he shook his head.  "How can they sell things if they are not willing 
>>to reduce the price?!"
>
>No I think Ben dosen't know how to do business. I have been in the "Game"
>of buying and selling for 20 years now. An I can tell you what went wrong
>with the above story. (Deleted for space reasons).
>
(A lot of valuable experience deleted)

Well, what if the blonde has a little sister who just showed up desperately
looking for an extra ten bucks for a pretty dress at J.C.Penny? Who knows
that Ben wouldn't be lucky next garage sale?

Fan

-- 
Fan YU                     Internet: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
Department of Physics              (416)525-9140 ext:3296
McMaster University           
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada     ---------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:52:14 GMT

In article <yufeng.713814621@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> yufeng@cis.ksu.edu  
(Yufeng Li) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.164324.17101@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <0095F0D0.53E0E840@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
> >> >> 
> >> >> 	Why does Japan do well?  It doesn't demand the US to say sorry for
> >> >> the nuclear bombing each and every time an US president visits.  It  
> >doesn't
> >> >> refuse the US "war criminals" to donate money for their postwar  
> >> >reconstruction.
> >> 
> >>        Why US need to say sorry to Japan ? It is totally uncessary. Think
> >> about how many people Japan killed during WW -II then you would think they
> >> desreve to recieve some bombs.
> >> 
> >
> >No! You are wrong! The people killed in Japan by the nuclear bombs are just  
> >civilians. The civilians did not deserve to die in such a horrible way. If  
> >Japan need to say sorry to Chinese, then the US should say sorry to Japanese  
> >too.
> >
> 
>  But did we chinese people deserve to be massacred, raped by Japanese troops? 
>     Did we chinese soldiers deserve to be wounded, killed by Japanese troops? 
>     Did our chinese cities, villages and other valueless resourses deserve to 
>     be destroied, robbed by Japanese troops?  No. No. 
>  It was Japapnese who invaded our beautiful motherland, killed our kind 
>  people, plundered our resources. Is a simple "sorry" enough? 
> 
> 
> >The point here is not whether the Emperor of Japan should apologize to  
Chinese  
> >people. The apology seems meaningless if the Japanese don't want to  
apologize.  
> >You simply can't force them. I found we Chinese always want to save our  
faces.  
> >In fact, the best way to save our faces is to build a stronger China.
> >
> >Without a strong China, no matter how loud you cry for respect from other  
> >peoples, you simply won't get it.
> >
> >
>  Can a simple "sorry"  save our face??? We have already admitted China is 
>  a poor country. We have already admitted we have lots of problems. We
>  have already admitted our uglyness. No, we did not mean to save our
>  face by letting the Emperor apologize for its past history.  We want
>  justice. We want the Emperor to hear the CHINESE VOICE: We will never
>  forget what you have done to our CHINESE in the past.  This is not
>  the "face" problem.  This is the soul and spirit of Chinese people. 
>  If one country has lost its spirit, the country is dead.  
>  We really need to give Japanese a lesson: What is a Chinese! 
> 
> Yufeng

When a war ended, there were losers and winners. Then the losers had to pay for  
the damages and apologized. Later, when another war broke out, a loser invaded  
a winner again. In history, this happened so often. So, apologize really means  
nothing. If you are weak, you will be hit again. So, why shall we ask for these  
meaningless apologize. Build our country!

Carl
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why should we demand the "Japs" say SORRY to China?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:23:37 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Aug13.122104.14450@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>  
dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> 
> 	If the "Japs" say sorry, would you be happy?
> 
> 	If the Chinese government refuse to accept the "war criminal"'s 
> donation, would you be happy?  
> 
> 	Maybe you'd be happy, but what would you gain?  Nothing.  You are
> still a "poor stick" guy. 
> 
> 	Why does Japan do well?  It doesn't demand the US to say sorry for
> the nuclear bombing each and every time an US president visits.  It doesn't
> refuse the US "war criminals" to donate money for their postwar  
reconstruction.
> 
> 	Chairman Mao was the one who refuse and demand for almost 30 years
> after the war.  Then he probably realized that it was stupid.  But there are
> still stupid guys 50 years after the war.
> 
> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu



They are not stupid! They are just more realistic.

Carl
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:57:29 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

>Maybe if you just went for a postive outcome and got your life
>together for yourself, you wouldn't be concerned about whether or
>not somebody else apologized or not. After all, that's *their*
>problem, not yours ;-)

Suppose your mother got raped, do not do anything, do not sue
that person, even do not ask for an apology. After all, whether or 
not somebody else apologized, that's *their* problem, not yours ;-)
 
>th
>Now I don't know if this life is all there is or there are multiple
>reincarnations. But two things are sure: If this is it, I don't want
>to spend my life being pissed off at somebody else as there are too
>many other things to do. If there are more lives to come, I sure
>wouldn't want to be somebody who needed to apologize for something
>the next time around.

Yes, for sure you have a lot of things to do, you do not want to
spend your life being piffed off at somebody else.
 
YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE!!!

50 years passed, but rape of Nanking has not been forgot. No apology,
no forgiveness! Remember, since Japan never apologizes, it then
assumes the attitude that it is alright for a stronger nation to
attack a weaker one. Invade Japan immeditiately if we becomes
stronger! They will think we are right! They won't complain us
even if our invading troop beheads their men, rapes their women!
What a great country Japan is!

Yunson Du
University of maryland 
College Park

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: zheng@katk.Helsinki.FI (ZHENG HUANQUAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Information needed for Wisconsin
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:26:26 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <sun.2@valt.Helsinki.FI> sun@valt.Helsinki.FI (QING SUN) writes:

>I am moving to La Crosse, Wisconsin from Finland next week. I will attend 
>the University of Wisconsin--La Crosse this fall. Any information about the 
>school, work permit, the city, or the state will be appreciated. My 
>address:    in%"sun@c.c.helsinki.fi"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
your address is wrong, It is "sun@cc.helsinki.fi" 
zheng huanquan

and good luck to you!
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China decision into Korea War (1950)
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:21:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

There is an article in the China Quarterly (No.121, pp.94-115, 1990),
which is entitled of "China's decision to enter the Korea war: history
revisited" by Hao Yufan and Zhai Zhihai. The authors gave some evidences
of the unprepareness of the war from China side. It said that China
ordered a demolition of 1.4 millions of military force at 20th June
1950, whereas Noth Korea launched an attack on South Korea at 25th
June 1950. The counter-attack from UN troops led by the USA reached
Seoul at 26th September 1950. President Truman ordered to cross 38th
line at 29th September 1950. Premier Zhou warned China involvement
of Korea War at 30th September 1950. At 2nd October 1950, Mao ordered
to organise Chinese Voluntary army and planed the offensive action at
15th October 1950. But at 12th October 1950, the planed offensive
action was ordered to hold. The real offensive action was at 19th
October 1950. After the initial victory, at 5th November 1950, Chinese
Voluntary Army withdraw from the position it won from their offensive
action.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sijin@dxcern.cern.ch (Sijin Qian)
Subject: test
Organization: abc
 abc
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:52:43 GMT
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 2
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:07:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 2)

Between 1500 BC and 1451 BC, bone inscriptions in China refer to the
making of beer. Also in this period, archaeological evidence, such as
distinctive axes, swords, and other manufactured items from China found
in various Middle-Eastern sites.

Between 1400 BC and 1351 BC, multiple cropping within the same year is
in use in China.

Between 1350 BC and 1251 BC, decimal numerals are in use in China.

Between 1200 BC and 1151 BC, bells cast in bronze appear in China.

Between 1050 BC and 1001 BC, China builds either an early
"south-pointing carriage" or magnetic compass.

Between 900 BC and 851 BC, natural gas from wells is used in China.

Chinese solar eclipse records start in 720 BC.

Between 600 BC and 591 BC, the Chinese text Arithmetic classic contains
the first known proof of a version of the Pythagorean theorem; sundials 
are used in China; the Chinese develop the practice of fumigating houses
to rid of them of pests.

Between 500 BC and 491 BC, Chinese formers use practices  such as
planting crops in rows, hoeing weeds, and applying manure, which
will not be used in the West until the 18th century.
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