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From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:09:45 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing
>the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition
>against dating interracial and gave them reasons why.  I said that black women
>come in all different shapes and colors so why should I date outside of my 
>race.

Hell, why even date outside your family??  1/2 :-)  You're making an
assumption that dating outside your race requires special
justification, while dating within it is *normal*.


  I also said that I am not physically stimulated by white females.

Now THAT's a good reason not to date them.


  It
>seems as if everyone agreed with my opinion except for this one guy.  He said
>that for me not to see every female as one color was typical of a bigot, and he
>called me a racist.  Being called a racist hurt me very much, but it hurt even 
>more being that this guy was my BEST FRIEND.  It shock me very much that my 
>best friend, who is black, was calling me a racist because I won't date outside 
>my race.  I go to an "all-white" college in Ohio, and I am approached by white
>females everyday should I start dating outside my race or what?  Do you
>consider me a racist?  I want to know.


Your friend suffers from a kind of uniquely American naive
integrationist understanding of human relations.

Americans have this need to beleive that all people are basically the
same, in order to justify their ideology of "all men are created
equal."

But its perfectly possible to recognize that people are different,
and that those differences matter, without abandoning the idea of
racial justice and equal protection of the law.

There is no use denying the fact that, generally speaking, the black
women at your college are very different in certain ways from the
white women.  They certainly look different, many probably speak with a
different accent or dialect, probably went to different kinds of
churches, and have different cultural traditions.  And when choosing a
woman to date, your job is not to decide whether the characteristics I
just mentioned are legitimate, or equal or good.  You are simply
making an asthetic judgment about whether they appeal to you
personally.  And that judgment is going to be based on a whole
multitude of things, primarily your psychological and cultural
conditioning, stuff which forms the very core of your personality.  

There's no point in denying your own psychological needs for the sake
of someone's notion of politically correct dating patterns.

This isn't to say you shouldn't date white women.  You just needn't
feel obliged to do so.

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Lloyd T Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:12:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct13.121210.17170
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 12-Oct-92 Re:
>Interracial Dating by Lloyd T Jones@moose.cs.i 
>> soon find that it might have the opposite effect.  You have to put up with
>> ignoramuses from both races who can't seem to get over the fact that maybe,
>> just maybe, you actually married for LOVE.  I know.  It's an amazing concept.
>> You really should try it sometime.

>My mother is white and I believe that, indeed, many black men do see
>white women as a symbol of making it.

	Unforunately, this is true IN SOME CASES.  I just wanted to point out
that it is not true for all relationships of this type.  And I believe that
it becomes less so as time goes on.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:50:34 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: The Issue is Race

Gabrielle,

You mentioned, in your article, Black Nobel Laureate, about this show
The Issue is Race. I checked it out on a Friday night about 2 weeks ago.
I just happened to be looking at the tube at that time when I came upon
the show on PBS station here in State College. (What else should I be
doing on a Friday night at that time :-)

Anyway, the subjects they talked about were right on time and no punches
were pulled. I don't know if anyone else (out there) saw the beroadcast.
I wanted to mention it sometime before, I forgot about it. I had many
things to do w/ classes and all. I would like to know if there will be
more broadcast w/ Phil Donahue, and the panel as well as the guest.



Fred Rozenblad     *  Why would anyone want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu  *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:54:19 GMT

Mr. Jones I think for you to slander another person the way you did was not
called for.  Mr. Leigh was just expressing the view held by many blacks who
disagree with interracial dating and marriage.  I for one also disagree as you 
can tell by my first letter( signed Mr. Hill).  But that is my own opinion 
based on my experiences.  I have no quarrels with you marrying someone not
black. It's your life and you love her, so who can argue with that.  I do have 
a problem with blacks intentionally seeking an interracial relationship.
	They do this by hanging out at all white bars and social events.  They
cry that there are not enough decent (highly paid or educated) black men or
women in society, so that is why they crossover.  But then they go ahead and
contradict themselves by saying that they married outside their race because
their spouses are human beings!!!!!!!
From: vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu (Valerie A. McNair)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:37:36 GMT
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>
>marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing
>
>the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition
>
>against dating interracial and gave them reasons why.  I said that black women
>
>come in all different shapes and colors so why should I date outside of my 
>
>race.  I also said that I am not physically stimulated by white females.  It
>
>seems as if everyone agreed with my opinion except for this one guy.  He said
>
>that for me not to see every female as one color was typical of a bigot, and he
>
>called me a racist.  Being called a racist hurt me very much, but it hurt even 
>
>more being that this guy was my BEST FRIEND.  It shock me very much that my 
>
>best friend, who is black, was calling me a racist because I won't date outside 
>
>my race.  I go to an "all-white" college in Ohio, and I am approached by white
>
>females everyday should I start dating outside my race or what?  Do you
>
>consider me a racist?  I want to know.
>
>                           Chris Hill
>                           BGSU
>
>
>
>
>

You are not a racist in my opinion.  As a matter of fact, I admire your
opinion.  I also am an African American student at an "all white" university.
Here at Auburn, which is strong athletically, the athletes are more apt to date
outside of the race.  I am all for seeing people for who they are, but we have
to realize that the preservation of our race is very important.  I am happy to
know that there are some brothers out there who appreciate African American
women.  We are wondering where the men are.  

I have seen many African American men with white women, and I just wonder if it
is our of curiousity, or is it genuine?  I am currently reading "The Isis
Papers" by Dr. Frances Cress Wesling, and she somewhat discusses this
phenomena.  

You said that you are not physically attracted to white women.  I have heard
some brothers say that they are not attracted to African American women too.
Does that mean that they don't like their mother? :-)

Hold strong to your opinion.  If someone Italian says that they are not
attracted to Irish people does that make them racist?

Thanks for your input.

Valerie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: investing in black companies
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:02:17 GMT

	It pleases me to see a brother, such as yourself, willing to invest

in black businesses.  Even though I am ignorant when it comes to black

businesses that are public (on wall street), I do know of a few.  They are:

Black Entertainment Television and Beatrice International.  I am positive that 

BET is public but not sure if Beatrice International has gone public yet.  For 

more information write and/or subscribe to Black Enterprise magazine. Peace!

			
					Chris Hill
					Bowling Green State Uiv.
					Bowling Green, OH



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:09:09 GMT

In <1astmsINNhoo@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:

>I'm trying not to flame you, but get a clue.  Words can have more than
>one meaning.  From Webster's 9th:

>black n  2 : the achromatic color of least lightness characteristically
>perceived to belong to objects that neither reflect nor transmit light
>[...]
>4 a : a person belonging to a dark-skinned race or one stemming in part
>from such a race; esp : NEGRO  b : AFRO-AMERICAN

>now compare to

>orange ...

Yes, obviously.  My point was that I believe doing this is maybe not
a "good thing" (that is, distinguishing a group of people with a name
when their only difference from any other people is a physical attribute).
In an ideal world it might not matter, but in *this* world it assists
people who want to make decisions based solely on this attribute (which
I clearly believe is a bad thing).  It gives them some justification, as
in, "that group has a special name, so there MUST be something to it
other than this meaningless physical feature of skin color".  My point
is that there is NOTHING to it other than skin color, yet people think
there is, partly because it has a distinguished name.

It's a matter of how we use language.  If we avoid using that
distinguished name, then that feature (darker skin) ceases to *sound*
like it matters.  I mean, would you think it made any sense to say "man
with dark skin appointed to high court"?  Since we don't have a "special"
word for it, it loses its power.
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:11:31 GMT

In article <wepCvEe00WBMI8SlIb@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>European immigrants are harder to pick out (ESPECIALLY after the first
>generation).  Without an accent or a distinctive last name (name
>changing was a widespread practice during the 19th and early 20th
>century) it is pretty difficult to distinguish between white American
>born and white European born.
.
.
What else is also harder to pick out are black folk who "passed"
into the white race both during and after slavery. "Many thousands
gone" is an apt description.  White folks are not as white as they
think they are. Some great-grand, self-hating relative might have
been black, but one wouldn't know it to see pictures.  Sometimes
their children showed "throwback;" some people wisely refused to
have children because of the threat of exposure.
.
.
>We arrived here differently, we've been treated differently, we have
>different opportunities, and you say this is all negligible?
>
.
.
Double word.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wb@tornado.kodak.com (wb@tornado.kodak.com)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (Telstar), Rochester, N.Y. 14653
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:22:26 GMT


 "When the lights go out, it becomes a question of who washed!"

  Redd Foxx
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:33:11 GMT
	<HANS.92Oct7152635@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> <BvrtrA.JI4@NCoast.ORG>
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: cmort@NCoast.ORG's message of 7 Oct 92 21:45:09 GMT

Here's a neat factoid:

In the USA between 1900 & 1990 the number of condemned criminals later
found to be innocent numbered 139.
--
Peace.
         "Sex between a man and a woman can be wonderful,
          provided you get between the right man and the right woman"
	                           --Woody Allen
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish
From: afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel)
Subject: Re: Farrakhan, Malcom X and Jews
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:17:33 GMT

In article <wer9DFi00iV0A6QK9F@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 13-Oct-92 Re:
>Farrakhan, Malcom X and.. by Sam Bhimji@ersys.edmonto 
>> Does anyone know if the Nation of Islam has changed their views?? I was 
>> reading a book where they stated that after Elijah Muhammad died, his son 
>> Wallace took control over the NOI, and was leaning towards Orthodox 
>> Islam, and even changed the name of the organization...
>>  
>
>Son Wallace did indeed take over after his father's demise... however,
>he lost a power struggle to Mr. Farrakhan and left the Nation, forming
>his own sect (can't recall the name) based on a more traditional
>adaption of the Islamic faith. 
>
>DCAL

Wallace (Warith Ad-Deen Muhammad) does not claim to head a sect
or an organization.  He claims he is following the Islam that
Muslims worldwide follow, and I think he has done many things
to show that he is sincere in this claim.  "The Muslim
Journal" is a magazine which contains news about Muslims'
activities in the U.S.  If anyone e-mails me, I can have
a free issue sent to them.  Obviously, include your snail mail
address.

sincerely
ayman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:48:40 GMT

In article <vamcnair.921013145903@lab5.eng.auburn.edu> vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu (Valerie A. McNair) writes:
>In article <BvF0ox.9BA@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
>>In article <92273.161738FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>Fred Rozenblad writes:
>>>
>In article <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>>
>>marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing
>>
>>the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition
[stuff deleted...]
>
>You are not a racist in my opinion.  As a matter of fact, I admire your
>opinion.  I also am an African American student at an "all white" university.
>Here at Auburn, which is strong athletically, the athletes are more apt to date
>outside of the race.  I am all for seeing people for who they are, but we have
>to realize that the preservation of our race is very important.  I am happy to
>know that there are some brothers out there who appreciate African American
>women.  We are wondering where the men are.  
>
>I have seen many African American men with white women, and I just wonder if it
>is our of curiousity, or is it genuine?  I am currently reading "The Isis
>Papers" by Dr. Frances Cress Wesling, and she somewhat discusses this
>phenomena.  
>
>You said that you are not physically attracted to white women.  I have heard
>some brothers say that they are not attracted to African American women too.
>Does that mean that they don't like their mother? :-)
>
>Hold strong to your opinion.  If someone Italian says that they are not
>attracted to Irish people does that make them racist?
>
>Thanks for your input.
>
>Valerie
>

While my mother is a very beautiful Black woman (she looks like my
sister although she is 55!) I could not date a woman who looked like
my mother (having the same face, that is)...  I just couldn't kiss my
own mother squarely on the lips!  

It's a bit repugnant if you know what I mean... :)

And I am still going to date who I want.  If a Black woman is
interested in me in the future (if my current relationship ends) then
I would date her...

For me it is just so much easier that way... more girls to choose
from!

And for me, I do not find anything unattractive about Black women.  I
actually like to see Jet-Black skin with either close cut or braided
hair.  (My mom is quite a lot like that actually....)

Ciao!


-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Nobel Prize and Theatreworks
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:16:54 GMT

Checking out the Nobel Prize stuff:
.
Rigoberta Menchu received the prize for peace.  This should
really drive a stake into despicable books like Dinesh D'Souza's
"Illiberal Education".  D'Souza, slash editor for the Dartmouth
Review and now paid shill for the New Right, called Menchu's
book, "I, Rigoberta Menchu" as simply a polemic for the Left
rather than the story of a woman trying to fight against the
extermination of her people and culture.  Menchu's book was
considered for Stanford's too well known revision of its
curriculum.
.
I think it's rather interesting that the Nobel Committee chose a
black Caribbean man, Derek Walcott, whose birthplace is situated
in The Middle Passage, the route black folks were shipped to the
Americas, and to a Native American woman, probably a lineal
cousin of those other Native Americans who formed alliances with
black slave folk, whose life has been dedicated to anti-racism.
Landing these announcements during the week some folks celebrated
the 500th anniversary of Cristoforo Colon's wrong turn towards The
New World is food for serious thought.  At least some folk have
gotten the word.

Then again, there's white liberal guilt all over
again...Swedish-style.

This is for the brother who posted a couple of weeks ago, regarding
possible venues for African playwrights.  Theatreworks in Palo
Alto, CA has been producing at least one play per season which is
African-American.  Theatreworks has its productions at the new
Mountain View Center for the Performing Arts (big auditorium), and
at other Palo Alto community centers like Cubberley Stage II
Theatre and Lucie Stern Theatre.  They have also begun to put
together some Chicano-Latino titles as well.

This year, Cheryl West's play, "Jar the Floor" has its world
premiere.  Rosa Guy's book, "My Love, My Love" was turned into a
play called, "Once on This Island" and is being restaged.  The play,
"Go Down Garvey", a musical based on the life of Marcus Garvey,
played to large,I do mean large, crowds last year.

You may contact Theatreworks at 1305 Middlefield Road, Palo Alto, CA
94301.  Hope it helps.

Yall have a good weekend.  I'm headed for the S.F. Book Festival
Saturday and Sunday!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: buckmr@vccsouth05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:06:24 GMT

I agree with your friend! YOU might not want to date someone of a different
race, but to try and convince other people that if they do it they are doing
something contrary or immoral is wrong! How can you tell what attracts someone
to their mate, or what choices they make? So just don't assume when you see an
interracial couple that they are playing into racial stereotypes and going 
after ``the Black stud'' or ``the White Prize'' or whatever. 


You do NOT know, so don't assume that you do!

People have a hard enough time finding the right person, why should certain 
people be excluded because of their race?


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!'' 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music.
From: gainer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Name [Larry Gainor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African-American Literature and History for the Young
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:56:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

You may want to check out the Interracial Books for Children Bulletin.
It should be available at your local public library.  It is a magazine
that discusses and reviews multicultural material for children.


-- 
Larry Gainor
Austin Community College
Internet: gainer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american