HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann)
Subject: Re: 5.25" drive won't see disk changes...NEED help!
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.063632.223417@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>My 5.25" disk won't recognize disk changes! Even if I take the disk out and
>leave the door open, it still will show me the disk's directory! I can get it
>to realize that their's a new disk by running Norton Disk Doctor on A:. Is
>their a faster way? A program perhaps? What's wrong anyway? I've checked the
>wires and they are just fine! One for the scrap? :( Thanks!
>c
>-- 
There is an optic that detects diskette changes. You can take some canned/
compressed air and clean the optic sensor. Blow the compressed air on both
the right and left hand side of the floppy. If this doesn't work, you can
look in the back of the DOS manual for the DRIVPARM options that force
the system to look for diskette changes every time there is a diskette insterted
into your floppy drive.
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From: rg9538@ehsn5.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett)
Subject: Re: Intel's "Overdrive" chip
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:18:29 GMT

tvilla@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Tim Villa) writes:

>Has anyone heard anything about Intel's Overdrive chip? I read of its
>existence this morning in our newspaper and all it said was that Intel 
>claims the chip will speed up applications by up to 70%. I don't know
>what it is supposed to do-apparently it is an upgrade from 486 25 or 33
>systems.

>Tim


It doubles the speed of the clock internal to the chip, but maintains
the same speed external to the chip.  This results in a overall speed
improvement without having to get a brand new motherboard.  It costs
a bundle, though.  I read it to be in ther $700-900 range, but I'm not
positive!  It just plugs into the same slot as your 486DX-25 or 486DX-33,
(different models).  Alternatively, there is a model for the 486SX series.

Happy speeding!

Ron Garnett

University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

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From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender)
Subject: Re: 586DX and 586DX2/100Mhz out already?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.040412.20502@wam.umd.edu> mc@wam.umd.edu (Morgan) writes:
>
>I heard that some of the Computer-Shopper's mail-order vendors are selling
>586DX and DX2 systems.  I haven't had chance to get a copy of recent Computer
>Shopper, but can someone verify this rumor?

Well, considering that yesterday's Wall Street Journal had an article about
Intel delaying shipments of the P5 (I don't think the final name has been
announced, but it won't be 586), I doubt it.

-- 
Rainer Malzbender
Post-doc, Physics
U. of Colorado, Boulder (303)492-1366           rainer@boulder.colorado.edu
From: johnson@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil (Don Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 Summary
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:45:45 GMT
Organization: AMSAA/GWD, APG, MD 21005

In article <5500022@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) writes:
>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware / johnson@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil (Don Johnson):

<a small part of my summary was quoted here...deleted for brevity>

>I see a lot of misinformation in your post.  

I stated up front that this was a SUMMARY OF REPLIES to my original request
for information. Looking through the replies I got, I don't see any
response from a Mr. Cashen. If you had supplied information, I would have
certainly included it.


>- "There is no 486 notebook out yet"

>    Actually, there are several, and many of them use a (your "real")
>    486.  Gateway, and Toshiba come to mind immediately.
>    Several of them use other 486's, which just happen
>    to be made by another manufacturer than Intel.

>- The Cyrix chip is "not pincomp." 

>    With what?  It fits in a 386sx just fine.

>- "So, as you see, there is NO REAL 486 avail from anyone other than Intel."

>    Well, from your "info," it would seem so, but just because you
>    prefer to think of the Cyrix as a 386sx doesn't make it so.
>    What are you basing this on?  Why isn't the chip a "real" 486?

>- "The '486' from Cyrix is more a 386sx....confusing us all"

>    Isn't this really just opinion?  You present it as though it were fact.


Sir, you give me credit for knowledge which I do not possess. If I had any
expertise in the area of computer CPU chips, I would have given MY OPINION
rather than soliciting thoughts from the experts on the net.

 
>    Actually, the confusion, for me, comes from refrains of "The Cyrix
>    chip isn't really a '486 because it's not as fast."  Or, "...because
>    it 'only' has a 1K cache" (as if cache size determines cpu architecture).
>    Or, "...because it sits in a 386sx socket."  Or, "...because it
>    doesn't have an FPU."  Or, lastly, "...because it's not made by Intel."

>    That the chip runs the instruction set of the i486 is somehow relegated
>    to minor status when people argue about the "realness" of a 486.  What,
>    then, defines architecture if not instruction set?

The fact that the Cyrix runs the same integer instruction set as the Intel
is included with the rest of the summary. Your opinion that I reduced its
significance is puzzling.


>> If only the flamers could be eliminated!

>Yeah, then people wouldn't call you on making grand statements of
>opinion and presenting them as fact.  Actually, I'm not trying to
>flame you; I just have to wonder if you don't work for Intel ;-)

Well I tried to save bandwidth by asking for comments via e-mail and then
posting the summary to the net. I thought that was good net etiquette but I
guess I'm wrong again.

And I hate it when people flame away and then throw a smiley face in at the
end and pretend to make a joke of it. It doesn't fool anyone you know. 8-}

-- 
W. Donald Johnson
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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: 586?
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:46:29 GMT


You were told wrong, there is not 586, there never will be....the P% release date
is January,...
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From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us
Subject: Re: Scanner and OCR-Software ???
Originator: stp@rs2
Keywords: Scanner, OCR, Answer
Reply-To: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us
Organization: Space Coast Naturists
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:56:24 GMT


I have a Marstek [Mustek] 800+ handscan with Perceive OCR.  It works fine for
scanning newspaper articles and line-drawings for clip-art.  You can get this
scanner for about $160 dollars in Damark catalogs.  I ordered mine through
Leiben (sp?) for a bit less.

Only gripe is tech support at Marstek/Mustek.  I believe they have reorganized
and renamed the company from Marstek to Mustek (or is it vice-versa??).  Some
documentation did not match the version of the software I got and it took a
little doing to get support to send me the latest version.
-- 
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WORK PHONE: (407) 242-4122			  steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: QUERY:is local bus/vesa killing EISA?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:41:26 GMT

  Is Eisa dying? With many manufatures producing pseudo-eisa boards, eisa
boards using the eisa bus in isa mode by design, and the apparent scamble
of manufactures to produce local bus/vesa. Is this going to kill the advantages
of using a eisa machine?
                                 Kris

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From: markt@rocky.gte.com (Mark Tsombakos)
Subject: Re: Dead/dying Seagate drive-help!
Organization: GTE/SCSD - Needham Heights, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:30:47 GMT

In case anyone is interested, Seagate says it will repair the drive...

	$160 PREPAID!
	30 day turnaround

Their idea of repair is, of course, replace.  And they wouldn't say if this
was a common problem.

Arg.

Mark
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 09:53:38 MEZ
From: <ALTMEYE@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Quantum Hard Drive

Hi,

I found nearly the same remarks in Quantums product specification, which came w
ith my lps 240 AT bus drive; I think the transfer rates they mention there (3.8
MB per sec) is a theoretical one, in a computer magazine here in Germany (c't,
magazine for computer technique) they tested the 120 MB and 240 MB drives not s
o long ago. With a normal AT Controller (IDE) they found a rate of about (1700
kB/s); only substituting the controller card by some other with an internal cac
he of 4 MB the rate increased up to about 3 MB/s.
I am not sure  what 'discache' and 'writecache' exactly means, too.
thomas
From: jorourke@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason O'Rourke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: CPU HEATING BILL
Date: 5 Oct 1992 08:03:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

The fact the laptops recommend you drop to the lower speed to conserve
battery power suggests that the lower clock speed does it fact consume
less power.  So it is likely that it would remain cooler.  
However, one does not buy a 486-50 because they want to turn off the
turbo switch.  There are scores of 40 dollar items out there, the 
simplest being simply to buy another fan. 

Jason O'Rourke
jor@cea.berkeley.edu
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From: ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ching Tai)
Subject: Re: Chipsets: OPTI or SIS ? Which would you prefer ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:28:24 GMT

isc10085@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG YENG YONG) writes:

>Ching Tai (ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: I'd recommand OPTi over SIS simply because I've used OPTi and it works
>: very well.  (I have NEVER used SIS, so I can't comment.)  However,
>: my OPTi mother board bench marked slower than the FOREX and C&T; i.e.
>: you may want to know if the OPTi is faster/more compatible than the SIS
>: or if it's the other way around.

>	FOREX is also manufactured in TAIWAN, is that right? Quite a
                                    ^^^I think its Japan

>long time ago, while I was hunting for a 386DX Motherboard, a vendor
>recommends FOREX to me as it was cheap. When I took a look at it, I feel
>that the board is not reliable because (1) it looks plain and simple

One shouldn't judge a board's quality on its chip set since they are two 
different things.

>that I wonder if it would stand up to intensive 386 applications and (2)
>its price is so low that gives me a second thought. Since then, I have

FOREX is fast... but OPTi is actually cheaper than FOREX.

>not heard of FOREX. Could Ching Tai please supply me more information on
>FOREX chipset as well as SIS and if possible PC-Chips too. Thanks in
>advance.

Sorry, I don't know any more about SIS besides what I've stated previously.
I've NEVER heard of PC-Chips.

>Best regards,
>Steve
> 
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From: dsb@mbunix.mitre.org
Subject: Floppy disk format
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:04:27 GMT

It is my understanding that on PC floppy disks (specifically 1.44MB) that after
issuing the dos format command the layout is the following.

Track 0 : Boot Record, File Allocation Table, Root Directory
Track 1-79 : Data Storage

Questions :
Is this correct ?
How big are each of the entries in track 0 for a 1.44 MB diskette ?

Thanks very much 
Scott

Scott Blodgett			             The MITRE Corporation
dsb@mbunix.mitre.org 	             Communications Control Engineering
Burlington Road, M/S G220	     Bedford, MA 01730
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From: kirchner@uklira.informatik.uni-kl.de (Reinhard Kirchner)
Subject: 3-chip-simm look good on Chip+Techn 8230 chipset
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:07:54 GMT

Hello,

to make things clear I went to my friedly dealer, got 4 3-chip-simms,
put them into a Epson 386/20 and
- run all memory test programs I have
- run an application ( P-CAD ) which definitely uses expanded memory

and all worked.

So this is strong evidence that 3-chi-simms can be used in these machines,
and, if the design is not made worse than normal, also in other machines
using the 8230 chipset by Chips + Technologies.
These chips are labeled
82C301
82C302  ( the memory controller )
     3
     4
     5
     6

Hope this helps somebody, it helped me a lot.

Reinhard Kirchner
Univ. of Kaiserslautern, Germany
kirchner@informatik.uni-kl.de
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Plug VGA monitor into a MAC...
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:19:29 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <2560@cronos.metaphor.com> rush@mnementh.metaphor.com (Ed Rush) writes:

>>I use a VGA monitor with my IIsi; I just had to get a gender bender
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>for the cable.


Sounds painful  9-)




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jsgn3@fel.tno.nl (Jos Groot)
Subject: ADDA10.ZIP uploaded (AD/DA analog extension board)
Summary: Description of analog extension board for IBM PC's uploaded
Keywords: ibm pc,sampling,dsp,guitar,ad/da conversion,extension board
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:47:32 GMT


About a week ago I made the attached announcement in the newsgroups
alt.guitar, comp.dsp etc. Maybe it is also of some interest to the users
of this newsgroup. I am sorry if you read it already in another newsgroup.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

In reaction to requests of some people for details about the analog I/O
board I built for a PC, I recently uploaded the ADDA10.ZIP archive 
(directory <MSDOS.SOUND>) to the SIMTEL anonymous FTP site (address
WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL, 192.88.110.20):

<MSDOS.SOUND>
ADDA10.ZIP      ADC/DAC board for DSP experiments;TP src/exe

The archive describes how to build and use a simple low cost analog I/O 
extension board for PC's. It utilizes the 8-bit AD7569 IC containing a
500 KHz analog-to-digital converter (ADC) and a 1 MHz digital-to-analog
converter (DAC). The card can for example be used to sample sound
with the ADC and play it back through the DAC in real time, possibly after 
some `on-the-fly' digital signal processing. Files included are:

1. construction/operation description
2. electronic/layout sketch diagrams
3. Turbo Pascal 6.0 source and executable code for using the card. It includes
   routines implementing two digital (guitar) sound effects, i.e., a distortion
   and echo. These routines demonstrate the basics of the digital sound 
   processing techniques used in dedicated sound effect processors.

The files of 1. and 2. are suitable for downloading to HP Laserjet or 
PostScript compatible printers.


-- 
Jos Groot (jos.groot@fel.tno.nl)
Physics and Electronics Laboratory TNO-FEL 
P.O.box 96864
2509 JG  The Hague, The Netherlands
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From: root@kilowatt.uucp (Kilowatt admin)
Subject: Re: Chipsets: OPTI or SIS ? Which would you prefer ?
Reply-To: root@kilowatt.UUCP (Kilowatt admin)
Organization: Kilowatt Computing of Deer Park, NY
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:00:20 GMT

>>> Definitely OPTi!! I was told to stay away from UMC and SIS. So far, OPTi
>>> comes first, next comes ETEQ.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>
>>    I have been using a SIS chipset 486/33 /w 128K cache with no problem at
>>all.  Could you please elaborate on the reasons to stay away, I am curious to
>>know, since I still have 3 months left of warranty :)
>
>Well, a friend of mine had lots and lot of problems running UNIX on
>it...I think he tried OS/2 as well, but had no luck. We installed it so
>many times, changed SIMMs, etc. Finally we changed boards (OPTi).
>
>I think the retailer didn't expect us to put OS other than MS-DOS, but
>he couldn't solve the problem either.
>
>Sean
	I have been using a UNITRON motherboard using Pheonix BIOS and a ETEQ
chipset. I have run Windows 3.1 under a lot of different configs, Unix
System V Rev 4, QEMM, and a lot of other 80386 specific software. I have had
NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. SVR4 actually could talk to this chipset - when I
installed it, it asked me if I wanted to recover the BIOS shadow RAM(!!).
	I get these things wholesale at about 10-15% less than I could mail
order any other motherboard (of known quality). While they are not made in USA,
that was not a deciding factor - the wholesaler is located about 10 miles from
me, and I could always go back and throw it at him. Never needed to. I'm VERY
happy! I have two here right now, running SVR4, with ethernet cards in them.
No problems. IDE, MFM, SCSI drives, Diamond SpeedSTAR plus, Paradise 1024,
etc. etc. etc! No problems. I can get SVR4 to use my modem at 115,200 with
a 16550 uart - no problems - no chars dropped.
	Have I made myself clear???

P.S.:	Don't ask me to sell you one of these motherboards at 10-15% less
than mailorder. I am a reseller!!! Not a church.

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From: singer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Samsung Syncmaster Monitor?
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:39:55 GMT

I have just looked at a Samsun Syncmaster 4C (15" Flat) monitor. Very crisp;
screen seemed about 1/2 inch smaller at the margins. Has anybody had experience
with this monitor or Samsung monitors in general?-- 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: garlangr@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T Garlanger)
Subject: Re: Samsung Syncmaster Monitor?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:28:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.173955.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> singer@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>I have just looked at a Samsun Syncmaster 4C (15" Flat) monitor. Very crisp;
>screen seemed about 1/2 inch smaller at the margins. Has anybody had experience
>with this monitor or Samsung monitors in general?-- 

If their the monitors are designed like their VCRs, I would stay very far away
from them.  I bought one of their hi-fi stereo, 4-head VCRs about 1 1/2 ago,
this summer it started acting up.  The repairman told me that the power
supply in it went bad, and since it was a switching power supply, once 
the regulating diode in it went bad, it would send unregulated voltage 
through the entire system, basicly destorying one component after another.  
So in addition to having a bad power supply, the main board has been also 
fried!   To me it sounds like a very poor way to design a system.  If
one of the components fail it shouldn't take the rest of the system with
it.  Needless to say, I won't buy another Samsung product.


				Mark

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From: ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ching Tai)
Subject: Re: Replacing a Cyrix486DLC on a 386DX-33
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:05:48 GMT

jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon) writes:

>Hi folks!, I've heard that you can change you 386DX-33 CPU for a Cyrix
>486DLC-33 which is pin compatible. Is this true?  Does anybody have done
>this?  How is the speed improvement?  Can I use a 387 coprocesor with it?

>Thanks!

>Juan Leon

Supposedly it's true.  I'm using supposedly is because I've not personally
done it, and none of my friends have done it.  But there was a discussion
on this a while back.

You won't notice too much of an improvement (< 20% increase).  You don't
have to change your BIOS (in most cases), and there were a few other things
that you should be able to get from the dealer (such as you need to 
load something in the autoexec to use some features of the chip, etc.)

Yes, 387 will work.  It was generally agreed that you'll be better off
buying a 486DX board and sell off your 386DX board.

-Ching
From: goldsmit@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (eric richey goldsmith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Tri Star Computers
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:00:30 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science


I am thinking of ordering a computer from Tri Star Computer Corp.  Has any
one here had experience with them?

Who is a good company to buy high-end (486-66) PC's from?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ede@kadabra.osf.org (Ted Ede)
Subject: Question: difference between Tseng ET4000 and ET4000 32K
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:50:54 GMT


I saw them both advertised in the Computer Shopper.  The 32K was about
$20 more.  Is the 32K the a hicolor version, with 1MB instead of 512K?
Pardon my confusion, but I only thought there was one version of the
Card.


ted

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From: brant@seq.uncwil.edu (AT-Dreamer)
Subject: Re: ERROR 1701
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:18:31 GMT

In <fred.718380289@centauri> fred@centauri.ipk.fhg.de (Reinhard Arlt) writes:

>dernis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>>Hi, 
>>  I swapped a floppy drive on a 286 computer, and got what is apparently,
>>an unrelated problem.
>>  The start up goes through the normal testing routine everything is OK,
>>checks the first floppy, then the second, all normal, than it gets to
>>the hard drive, the light goes on and not off.  Eventually it beeps with
>>the number 1701 on the screen.  Shortly afterwards it requests to have
>>a disk placed in drive A: and press any key to boot.  I understand this
>>as the BIOS not finding being able to communicate with the hard drive.
>>I checked and double checked the cables, especially the smaller one, that
>>looked like it had been pulled out a bit, but that didn't help.
>>The hard disk and floppy disk controllers are separate cards.

>>The BIOS is Award BIOS 3.03.

>>What could have gone wrong?  Was it just dumb luck that it happened to
>>fail when I took the cover off or did I pull something loose?  And what is
>>code 1701?

The 1701 is a IBM code.  Stuff Starting with 17 is a disk code and 01
is general failure.  If you get a good IBM book it should tell
you all the error codes.

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