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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.234015.2689@CS.ORST.EDU>, pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne) writes:
> 
> 
> >   > Now, it's very clear that PC type computers outsell Macs (about
> >   > 3 to 1 if you believe the industry statistics).  If technical
> >   > superiority isn't the issue (which means we don't even have
> >   > to argue over whether the Mac IS technologically superior or not),
> >   > then I contend that price is the driving force.  The vast
> >   > majority of consumers seem to vote for the PC.  So my conclusion
> >   > is that, overall, the PC must be cheaper.
> 
> >   Initially, some PCs are cheaper.  Most people don't look beyond
> >   the initial price and fail to take into account the long-term
> >   costs of operation.
> 
> Out of curiosity, what exactlly are these long-term costs that are so much 
> higher on a PC than the Mac?  I use both and can't think of any.

Training and support.  Financial reports from major corporations show that
within two or three years, the extra costs in training and supporting people
for DOS machines costs far more than the savings realized in the initial
purchase.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: burrows@milton.u.washington.edu (William Burrows)
Subject: Command Key Font Symbol
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:13:33 GMT

I am writing some documentation and would like to include the
symbol for the command key in the documentation. However, I donUt
seem to be able to find it in any font sets. Can anyone help?

Thanks 
bill burrows
burrows@u.washington.edu
From: newton@cs.utexas.edu (Peter Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Information on: The IIvi, IIvx, and Performa 600
Date: 16 Aug 1992 20:43:11 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: mohawk.cs.utexas.edu

> The bandwidth of the memory bus is really not critical in personal
> computers, 'cause other bottlenecks hold things up before the bus
> width does. 

I cannot completely agree.  In the case of the LC II versus the IIsi,
it depends on the program.  Some programs will show little difference.
Others will show none.  It can be hard to predict.  I have compiled
and run the dhrystone 2.0 benchmark on the Classic II (16 MHz 16 bit bus)
and the IIsi (20 MHz and 32 bit bus).  Think C compiled with 4-byte ints.
Compiled to use only 68000 instructions, the IIsi is 1.9 times faster.
Compiled to use 68020 instructions, the IIsi is 1.5 times faster.  The
clock speed account for a factor of 1.25.

I think it is wise to actually measure things, but it is tricky.  Results
can depend on lots of things.  For example, a program that spends all
of its time in a tight loop that fits i cache will be unaffected by bus
width.
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Peter Newton (newton@cs.utexas.edu)
From: heilmayr@jaffna.berkeley.edu (Stephan Heilmayr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Mobius 030 accelerator
Date: 18 Aug 1992 01:53:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Logic Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jaffna.berkeley.edu
Keywords: upgrade

In article <altman.714068160@cmgm>, altman@stanford.edu (John Altman) writes:
|> I have an old SE with 4 MB RAM and the original 20 MB HD,
|> and I am considering upgrading my computer.  My options are
|> to buy a new Mac, probably the IIsi, but I am also considering
|> upgrading the SE itself with the Mobius 030 accelerator (and
|> a portrait monitor), which claims to have the 68030 chip running at 25
|> MHz, and the option of adding up to 16 MB RAM.  Does anyone have an
|> opinion on the Mobius system, and its merits relative to a new IIsi?
|> 
|> No need to clutter the net with responses to this one :-)

Actually, I'm interested in any replies you may get to this, and other
people may also be interested, so perhaps you could clutter up the
net with a summary.
Thanks.

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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Warning on NEC CD-74 CD-ROM Drives
Keywords: CD-ROM, NEC
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:41:53 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

leue@crd.ge.com (Bill Leue) writes:
>WARNING:  According to Educorp, the NEC Intersect-74 CD-ROM drives are
>incompatible with at least one best-selling CD-ROM disc, namely "Spaceship
>Warlock" from Reactor.

>The CD-74 is NEC's new "dual-speed" drive which plays audio CD's at normal
>speeds but shifts up to about twice as fast when accessing digital tracks.
>Educorp and other dealers have been heavily advertising this drive which
>is part of the "NEC Gallery" package -- a bundle which includes the drive,
>software, speakers, and several CD titles.  I bought mine at MacWorld
>last week from Educorp.

>Alas, yesterday I called Educorp and tried to order Spaceship Warlock, and
>was told that the CD-74 was incompatible.

>Comments:

>1) Why, one wonders, didn't NEC test this drive with what is probably the
>best-selling CD disc before releasing it to the world?
*----
For the "best-selling CD", it's amazing that I've never heard of it.
It sounds to me like the problem is with "Spaceship Warlock" and not
the CDR-74, since that appears to be the only CD with a problem.
Maybe you should address your question to Reactor, and not Educorp.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: sold@kit.uni-kl.de (Christoph Sold)
Subject: Re: Modifying Finder Menus, System 7
Keywords: ResEdit,Menus,Finder,System 7
Organization: Universitaet Kaiserslautern
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:46:14 GMT

In article <4628@news.duke.edu> jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang) writes:
>From: jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang)
>Subject: Re: Modifying Finder Menus, System 7
>Keywords: ResEdit,Menus,Finder,System 7
>Date: 18 Aug 92 14:53:53 GMT
>In article <1992Aug17.214240.22558@u.washington.edu> aph@u.washington.edu writes:
>>I want to change some of the menus of the Finder. I want to change the 
>>Command key for them.  I've done it with other apps using ResEdit but when I 
>>look in the resource file for both the Finder and System, the 'MENU' 
>>resource doesn't contain all the menu items.  What's the deal anyway. 
>
>Look in the "fmnu" resource, the menus are not marked so go through each one.
>The command key character (if they exist) is located three bytes before the 1st
>character of the menu text.  
>
>Has anyone got a resedit template for this yet?

ftp to ftp.apple.com and get the latest resEdit. it has all the templates 
you need (and may some more...)
-Christoph

Christoph P. Sold                   CATS Software GmbH
                                    Mussbacher Landstr.2
                                    W-6730 Neustadt (Weinstrasse)
ger.xse0035@applelink.apple.com     Germany

"If an apple is fun, what the heck is an appletree?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: strange "click" when appl. quits
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:59:32 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

timbp@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:


>I get a click when an application or DA quits too. I use system 7 on an SE.
>I have no idea what it is.

Most any app that uses the sound manager (or just almost all app's actually)
do this. It's just sorta telling the System that it's done using sound.
It's nothing to worry about unless you have your Mac hooked up to a P.A.
system. :)
From: bq274@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy J. Berkvam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: How to HIDE Files on a mac to prevent Piracy?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:38:40 GMT
Reply-To: bq274@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy J. Berkvam)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) says:

>I therefore think that one simple solution would be to install the software
>and my Macros in the user's machine BUT to make some of the files (eg
>Macros, Scripts) INVISIBLE to the user.  So even if someone copies files they 
>are likely to miss the INVISIBLE files (that are essential for the 
>solution to work) and so basically I will have copy protection.  I know this
>solution will not be likely be perfect but for ORDINARY non hackers it
>will be sufficient, I feel.

  Believe it or not, some people will want to take your program off of
their hard disks after they insall it.  Most will just drag the files to
the trash.  If you stick invisible files all over, they could sit on the
hard disk taking up space and the users would never know about it.  You
could have an uninstallation program but that's very un-Mac-like.

  I think that if you want copy-protection (Blech), you are best off
with one of the methods that other companies use.  There is a reason
that they use those methods.

  Good luck on your software!

Andy

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From: soubyran@ere.umontreal.ca (Soubyran Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Misc questions...
Date: 20 Aug 1992 21:09:45 -0500
Organization: Universite de Montreal
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi Fellow Macers!

I have a few questions that I hope you will be able to answer... at
least try to!

1. Is it possible to run System 6.0.X on a Quadra (any one of them)?

2. Is there a utility which would permit me to run X-Windows on my
   Mac IIci? I am connected to a SGI Indigo at 9600 bauds (direct
   connect modem).

3. My boss, Professor Legendre, is undertaking a book on bio-stats.
   He would like to know which is the better DTP to use: PageMaker,
   FrameMaker or Nisus. His book will be about 400 pages and it
   will contain many mathematical expressions. He knows that in
   FrameMaker there is an equation editor.

4. Rumors wants that Apple will reveal new machines in November of
   this year... Should he wait for them or go for a Classic II?

5. Is there a co-processor in the LCII? Plus, is there an extension
   slot in it?

6. About laser printers now... should we go for another LaserWriter
   II NT or go for HP, Texas or any other brand? The volume of
   paper printed is not that important... as long as the printer is
   ps compatible. By the way.. could you tell me what is the
   difference between ps and eps?

7. Another Professor is planning to buy a IIci... shoud he go for
   one plus an accelerator or go for a Quadra? Speaking of
   accelerator... which is the best (understand more reliable) on
   the market? Is it Daystar or Radius or Tokamak?



I know I could ask all those questions to my nearest Apple
dealer... but the thing is that they are sellers! I am more
sensible to end-users opinions, not just "Yeah.. buy this.. it's
the best of this and that...". Real world users are much valuable
than any (car/mac!) sellers!

I thank you all in advance... 


Richard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: White Knight making me crazy
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:15:02 GMT

In article <557@norge.UUCP>, norge!peter@yenta.alb.nm.us writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug16.154428.11362@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> >I CAN'T UPLOAD TO THE VAX!!
> >
> >I just don't know what to do. I try to use rz for zmodem, but it
> >just doesn't work!! HELP!!!
> 
> 	Sorry I can't help with the problem you've posted about here, BUT
> I have my own White Knight problem. Maybe I can get some help too!
> 
> 	I bought White Knight a year or so ago when it was 11.01. I have
> since upgraded via the upgrade patches that have been periodically posted
> to USENET and various ftp archives. I am now at 11.10.  I recently got the
> patch files to upgrade to version 11.12, another one to go to 11.13, and
> another to get to 11.14.  When I run the PUP 2.0 utility to apply the
> patches, it asks me to locate the White Knight copy to patch, BUT IT NEVER
> GIVES ANY APLLICATIONS IN THE FILE DIALOG TO SELECT.
> 
> 
> 	What gives!?
> 
> 	Any help out there?

The update routines require the application to be named exactly one way.
If you changed the name of the application, it won't update; change it
back to White Knight 11.10 and you should be OK.
From: erik@blade (Erik Manders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Information on: The IIvi, IIvx, and Performa 600
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:57:45 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

breck@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu writes:
: This is a common misconception.  Actually, the IIsi is about 28%
: faster, which is not enough to notice in most real-time applications.

Based on my experience in using both an LC (supposed to be nearly as fast as
an LCII) with 12'' color, and a IIsi with 12'' color and 16'' color on a
nubus 8-bit card, I have to conclude that in general, an IIsi is about twice
the speed of an LC. This is of course subjective, but based on a wide range
of applications.

: up before the bus width does.  For instance, the 80386 is only 4%
: faster than the 80386sx, which has a 16-bit external memory path.

No, in general 30 to 40%.

: fast compared to using the main memory for video (the IIsi and IIci do
: this).  You can speed up video on the latter machines by making your
: RAM cache huge, but that's another subject, see one of the columns in
: the current MacWorld (sorry, forget which one) for more info.

Or use two monitors...

: Another point about video...  Since the LCII can use a low cost VGA
: monitor (I got a Trinitron screen for $350) it really lets you save on
: the monitor.  To get the same quality on a IIsi, expect to shell out
: the bucks!

Why can't the IIsi? A problem with the LC's is that you can't use the 
apple one-page-display. I will exchange color for display area any time.

  Stephan.
From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: HD floppies with Plus?
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:13:39 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang) writes:

>In article <BsvpI4.Cyp@cs.dal.ca> graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) writes:
>>My dad got me a whole bunch of Sony HD disks, but I don't have a FDHD(?)
>>What should I do with them? Can I use only 800k worth of them?
>>
>>thanks
>>mike

>No.  You might be able to get 400K out of (format 1 sided).  But I think the
>tracks are out of phase for 800K.

>Sorry, kiddo :(

I don't understand how you can argue that a HD floppy can be formatted as
400 K, but not as 800 K? Surely the medium must be of sufficient quality to
format as 800 K, when it can hold 1.4 M!
Of course, I'm may be an ignorant fool (happened before), but this "out of
phase" problem sounds strange.

I actually know people who use HD floppies with the old 800 K drive without
serious problems.

However, there are two arguments against formatting HD floppies as DD.
1. HD is more expensive than DD, and you gain nothing.
(Not relevant for James Wang in this case.)

2. If you ever are going to use the DD formatted disk in a SuperDrive, you
will have some slightly annoying problems, since the drive uses a little
hole on the floppy to identify it as a HD floppy. I think a piece of tape
over the hole would ordinarily suffice to solve this problem.

I certainly would be glad to have this phase problem confirmed or denied.
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet)
Subject: Mac stuff when moving from US to Germany (Q)?
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:20:14 GMT

I realize that this question must have been asked before, but I am going to be moving from the US to Germany and am not quite sure, which equipment (phones, computers, fax/modems, etc.) I should take with me. Any pointers or recent experiences? Also, is there access to the internet commercially available there. I am mainly interested in email, usenet, and ftp.
If there is enough interest, I will summarize to the net.
Thanks,


Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14715 comp.sys.mac:200
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: What's the real measure of the standard screen?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University


In article <1992Aug12.153412.1527@serval.net.wsu.edu>, lhermens@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Leonard Hermens - CS) writes:
|>From: lhermens@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Leonard Hermens - CS)
|>Subject: Re: What's the real measure of the standard screen?
|>Organization: Washington State University!
|>
|>In article <BsuoIt.C41@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cliu@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (chang hsu liu) writes:
|>>
|>>Could someone explain to me why the box I created with 640*480 in Illustrator
|>>printed out a box that's smaller than the Mac screen? Mac screen is supposed
|>>to be 640pts * 480pts, and Adobe Illustrator is supposed to be accurate, isn't
|>       ^^^^^    ^^^^^^
|>   I assume you mean pixels, not points...?
|>
|>

Ay, there's the rub (as Hamlet says) -- the original Mac design was that
each pixel would be one point (1/72 inch), but nowadays many factors may
alter that base -- e.g.,  monitor/video board combinations such as the Apple
12-inch monitor on an LC or some third-party sets.  Also, there
is a print scaling option in the Print Setup (or Print) dialog box;  I'm not
at a Mac to check.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Pro Tools
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:46:40 GMT

Why don't you try rec.music.makers, rec.music.synth or rec.audio.pro


	Pasi
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From: bienk@erg.sri.com (Marie Bienkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Writing MAC-readable floppies from Sparcstation
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:41:05 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

I've gotten a number of requests for the answer to the question 
of whether one can write a floppy using a Sun sparcstation that
can then be read by a MAC.

The answer is a freeware MAC utility called "suntar" (for "Speranza's 
untar") that is available from sumex (or umich, I'm told) that runs
on the MAC and that will read floppies written using UNIX "tar" or "bar."

It's a very well-written piece of s/w and the authors should be
complimented on a job well done.

Marie
-- 
Thanks,
Marie B
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Out of Memory Error
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:46:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <nardy-200892161845@tonkinese.llnl.gov> nardy@llnl.gov (Dominic P. Nardy) writes:
>I have a Mac IIsi with 17Mb of RAM. Lately I have been getting an error
>message telling me I am out of memory.  It further tells me to close some
>windows or exit some applications in order to free up some memory.  I have
>been getting this error when I have as much as 12.5 MB of memory available.
> This error has prevented me from trashing items or emptying trash.  
>
What's probably going on is that the -program- you are running needs more
memory to run in. Do a GET INFO on the program and at the bottom, it should
say something like:

	Suggested size:	900K
	Actual size:	900K

(or whatever number is there).

So you need to change the Actual Size. Raise it up a little and then see if
the program will run. If not, give it some more memory. Hopefully, this should
solve your problem.

h.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Subject: Re: Gifconverter 2.3b1
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.221823.29801@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf) writes...
So hey, is the author of this excellent (if 
bug-ridden) program out there listening to all this?  Cause if he's not, maybe 
we should give him a ring...

If you'd look in the About box you'll see that Kevin Mitchell has three
email addresses (none directly on the Internet, so no, he isn't listening
to this): 

  CompuServe:     74017,2573 (or 74017.2573@compuserve.com)
  America Online: KevinM17   (or KevinM17@aol.com)
  GEnie:          K.Mitchell (don't know if GEnie is on Internet yet)

As this is a beta release of a new version, you have to expect there to be
problems. GIFConverter has been around for quite a while, and has always
been stable in the actual release (non-beta) versions. If you have a bug
to report, drop Kevin Mitchell a line at one of the addresses above and
tell him as exactly as possible the events leading up to it, as well as
a run-down of your system info (if all the people with a specific problem
have something in common then he knows where to start looking).

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 - Dave Martin - Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M - 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez)
Subject: Driver for Excelan network card needed
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:14:50 GMT

Hello networld,
      Could some kind soul out there direct me to where I could find
a System 7 compatible driver for my Excelan Ethernet card? 
      Or if anyone knows the address or phone number of Excelan, I'd
appreciate that also.

Thanks so much.

mig
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