HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sst@athena.mit.edu (S. Tucker)
Subject: Re: tax deductions
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:00:41 GMT

>>Hope you get your new little tax deduction before midnight Thursday!
>>8-) 8-) 8-)
>
>No! wait a second later and have the first baby of the year. You will lose
>out on the tax deduction, but your baby will get his/her picture in the
>paper. Money isn't everything, fame can be fun too!! ;-) ;-)

Ignoring the smileys for a moment, anyone who actually has the option
of choosing which day their child will be born should consider school
requirements as a high priority.  In my school district the turn of
the year was the cutoff for determining which kids were classmates.

The ones born in January were the oldest in their class, and had clear
advantages in physical, mental, and emotional development.  Those born
in December were the youngest, with corresponding disadvantages.  Some
avoided the problem by being held back a year at the start, but then
they were always the "wrong" grade for their age.

S. Tucker
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: age a child can stay home alone
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:11:49 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <23DEC199213145929@quark2.aero.org>
xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita M. Wiltberger) writes:
 
>Does anyone know what the legal age is to leave a child by herself at
>home.  I am already planning ahead for spring break.  Rebecca turned 10
 
In Colorado the legal age that a child can babysit is 13.  I believe that
this age is also the age where children can legally be left alone.  My 9
year old called 911 once (she heard a strange noise).  I had taken the 3
year olds to the store for medicine.  I was gone 10 minutes and got home
just as the sheriff pulled into the driveway.  I raced into the house to
check on the girls.  They were fine.  The officer asked Kelly (the 9 year
old) lots of questions (what she heard, where, etc) and investigated with
her.  I was really pleased - he treated her as an adult.  When they were
all done, I sent the kids inside.  I was glad that Kelly knew to call
911, but if I was going to get a ticket I didn't want the kids to see :-).
 
The officer was really nice.  He said that he was glad the kids knew what
to do in an emergency and then he left.  No ticket.  I suspect that he
saw that I had the little kids with me (ie, I didn't habitually leave
all the kids home) and he knew that I was going to the drug store (not out
for something stupid).  I was relieved.  My husband and I talked about
the situation.  Kelly is very responsible, too responsible as it turns out.
We decided that Kelly was ok to leave alone for a few minutes at a time
but that Katie (6 1/2) couldn't stay with her.  Kelly worries too much about
Katie.
 
Kelly is now staying home before and after school (4th grade).  She does OK
for about 1 1/2 hours and then she gets nervous and bored.  I have not left
her alone for Christmas break.  The daycare center was willing to take her.
She's a big help in the baby room.
 
Instead of taking 3-4 days off during spring break, could you work a bunch
of half days?  Your daughter would probably be ok at hime all morning if she
knew that Mom would be home right after lunch.  Or, would the mother/father
of one of her friends be willing to take her a couple of days in exchange for
you taking their child (maybe for a weekend or something)?
 
I definately believe that we should slowly teach our children how to stay
home alone, but all day is a long time.
 
One last thing - our neighbors down the street NEVER left their daughter
alone overnight.  When she graduated from high school she asked to be allowed
to stay home alone while her parents were on vacation.  Everything was fine
until she decided to have a *little* party.  It turned out to be not so little
and a parent was hurt when he came to get his son.  I plan to teach my children
how to stay home before they are adults :-)
 
Teresa
From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Misc.kids Baby Names in Popular order
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:54:03 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM's message of 22 Dec 92 16:02:02 GMT


sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
>Here is the baby name list in order of popularity:
> [...]

By my count this amounts to 300 different names, from a total of 514
children.

Does anyone else find it interesting that this means that 4 out of 10
of these children have names no one else has; that is over 2/3(!) of
the names are unique?

Not that there is anything wrong with unusual names, of course...

Cheers
Nichael

(p.s. is there really someone named "or"?)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Moving with Infant...
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:50:42 GMT


I just found out that I was pregnant (which some of you know, and thanks for
all the wonderfully supportive email).  Well, the baby is going to be born 
at the end of the summer.  I wanted to go to school in Rochester, NY, in
the Fall, and my husband was going to stay here in Virginia.  Well, he
is now going to come with me to Rochester, and is seriously considering
attending graduate school himself up there in the Fall, with me, if I
can swing it, taking a class or two just to maintain sanity.  Anyone
have any advice for trying to swing a long-distance move  with a new
kid?

Thanks,

Karen P.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ff76@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Jhinuk Chowdhury)
Subject: High chair recommendations
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:46:53 GMT

Pardon me if this has been among the recent thread of discussions (in which
case, could someone mail me a compilation - if you have one).

I am looking for recommendations for a high chair.  Our 7-month old has recntly
developed a serious aversion for his infant carrier at meal times.

What attributes other than stability should I look for?  My wife would
appreciate something that could be operated with one hand (i.e., the tray
should be removable and attachable by one hand).  

Please tell me about your experiences with high chairs - features, brand names
and price estimates are especially welcome.

Thanks (in advance),

- Jhinuk -

Jhinuk Chowdhury
chowdhur@cobaf.unt.edu   -or-   ff76@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Morning sickness
From: Dennis.Ingram@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:31:37 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

Is there a FAQ on this subject?  If so, can someone please mail me a copy?
Any other hints on alleviating the symptoms of morning sickness also
gratefully received.

Regards,
Dennis Ingram.
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:57:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: sobbing through "Father of the Bride"

In article <22DEC199212151641@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>> 
>Well, does anyone else find that just having kids around makes you
>more prone to being moved by tearjerking movies? I've always
>been emotional, but it seems that since I have become a mother,
>I cry more easily at movies and commercials and some books (if
>you really want a good cry try 'Love You Forever', forget the
>author right now).

Yes, I still haven't been able to get through that Robert Munsch book 
without sobbing halfway through, even though it's incredibly
ridiculous to believe an elderly woman being able to crawl through
her grown son's bedroom at night and rocking him in her arms!
Besides, it does raise some boundary and separation issues.  The
last time I read that book to my son, I was crying through the last
several pages, when my husband (Mr. Levity) walked in and started
laughing at me.  Poor Dylan couldn't figure out what was up--Mommy
is crying her little heart out and Daddy is practically rolling on
the floor laughing at her! :-)

The other night, I was watching the Steve Martin remake of "Father
of the Bride" on cable TV.  Gary came in to say goodnight to me and
saw that I was sobbing.  He made some snide remark about being able
to fall to pieces at the drop of a hat.  I told him that if we have
a daughter, I will *buy* him this videotape and make him watch it,
and see if he can keep from crying.  It's amazing--before we had a
child, I probably still would have cried, but not with the same
intensity.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A question about older circumcision
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:16:37 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <gdavis.724722711@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
> We do know that in the USA about 20% of men not circumcised will
>for one reason or another have the procedure carried out.
>Contrast this with less tha 1% in Finland where boys are NOT
>routinely circumcised!
>Clearly medical bias and social issues play a very significant
>part in the difference. 

Well we can make some conjectures here.  Presumably some fraction of that
20% is made up of cosmetic cases; that is, men and boys who have circumcision
to please themselves, or to please a lover, or to conform to the peer group,
or to conform to their fathers or some other admired individuals, or...
In the rest of the cases there is some medical condition which the
circumcision is intended to treat.  For these cases:
  Perhaps in the U.S. where circumcision is common anyway doctors recommend
  circumcision without a second thought unless the patient protests vigorously.
  Whereas in countries where circumcision is rare perhaps doctors try 
  all available alternative treatments before resorting to surgery that
  will make the person visibly different from the vast majority of his
  countrymen.

  Perhaps it's a matter of differences in the way medical care is financed.
     Maybe U.S. doctors advise circumcision because it is more profitable
     for them than alternative treatments; whereas doctors in other countries
     are paid the same regardless of what treatment they do.
     Contrariwise, maybe in the U.S. circumcision is less costly to the
     patient than alternative treatments that might take more of the
     doctor's time and have to be repeated from time to time.  (Seems
     like someone posted from Europe that he had spent several days in
     a hospital being treated for some foreskin-related problem.  If
     he had to pay for that out of his own pocket at U.S. hospital rates
     he might choose instead a circumcision performed in the doctor's
     office and no hospital stay.)
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: tax deductions, (was Re: circumcision statistics)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:19:16 GMT

In article <29DEC199212231083@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <RIGG.92Dec29095102@osnome.che.wisc.edu>, rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes...
>> 
>>To add another data point, we are expecting any minute and think it
>>will be a boy.  If so, he will not be circumsised.
>> 
>Hope you get your new little tax deduction before midnight Thursday!
>8-) 8-) 8-)

No! wait a second later and have the first baby of the year. You will loose
out on the tax deduction, but your baby will get his/her picture in the
paper. Money isnt everything, fame can be fun too!! ;-) ;-)

Laura

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: adrian@bnr.ca (Adrian Brown)
Subject: Re: When Will She Smile? (35/36 week Premie)
Reply-To: adrian@bnr.ca (Adrian Brown)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:07:57 GMT

My son was born at 34 weeks gestation - my recollection is that he starting 
smiling at around 12 weeks of age. 

Adrian ( father of Sean, now 4.5 yrs old )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Happy (surprize) ending to a sleep problem
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:53:31 GMT

Several weeks ago I posted about a problem we wre having with our
soon to be three year old son.  For some reason, he became very
tearful when we said good night and wanted us to sit with him
until he fell asleep.  He also work up during the night and
wanted to sleep on the floor in our room.  Then a couple of
weeks ago he decided he wanted to sleep on the floor in his
room rather than the bed.  And many a morning we opened our
door to find he had dragged his blanket and pillow and was
asleep outside our door.  We repeatedly asked what we could do
to make his room nicer so he would want to sleep there.  He
never came up with any ideas.  On Christmas Day we had lots
of company for dinner.  George took one of the women upstaird
to show her his room.  They got in a discussion on why he slept
on the floor.  Would you believe he told her he slept on the floor
because he wanted to look out the door and see the pottie.  We
are in very low key potty training.  SHe moved his bed to the middle
of the room.  That night he went to sleep with a smile on his face.
The next day we rearranged his room so the bed in on the wall
facing the door.  So far we have had no sleep problems ( I hope
I am not jinxing myself with this post).

So I quess the moral of this story is that even at the tender
age of 2.10 years they aren't going to tell their parents everything.

On another note, I bought a copy of Love You Forever and went throug
two tissues and was crying so hard I could barely finish it.  When
I finished my son looked at me and said read it again mommy.  My
MIL got teary eyed when she read it.  Even my husband admitted
it was a nice book.

Cathryn Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: C-section Incision Pain, 6 months later
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Distribution: na
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

I'd like to hear from anyone who had some lingering pain from a c-section
incision, or anyone that knows a good source of information.

Background:  After my first c-section, I healed great, and after about
3-4 weeks had very little pain. However, six months after my second
c-section, I still get occasional pain from my incision. (Mostly this
happens when I am carrying heavy stuff, like both kids, the diaper bag
and a toy or two all at once!  But sometimes it hurts just at the end
of a long day, when I am tired.) During the second surgery, the doctor
had commented that she had to go through quite a bit of tough scar tissue
from the first surgery.  I didn't think she did nearly as neat a stitching
job as the first doctor.  I also ruptured the incision a little bit
about four weeks after Carrie was born, by lifting Brad before I was
supposed to.

Is this something I should see the doctor about?  I admit I have NOT
done the exercising and toning that I did after my first surgery, so
maybe just doing my situps would put an end to it.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 6 months
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nursing chair recommendation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:07:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1h5lshINN2tl@hp-col.col.hp.com> <1h7d0dINN5lb@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
  <1992Dec23.133116.9590@crd.ge.com>

When I was pregnant with my first, my husband and I visited his sister
who offered to lend us, long term, one of her rocking chairs. I sat
in both a fair amount and we brought home the one that seemed more
comfortable. I have used it extensively for nursing, but my guess
is that the one that seemed less comfortable when I was 5 months
pregnant might have been better for nursing. 

I also like the office chair we have (goo thing because I read the
misc,kids while nursing). A fairly straight back is a big plus. I
found my nipples getting sore when I nursed my son in the hospital
bed. The lactation nurse suggested the bed doesn't go up straigh
t enough- problem solved.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: Re: Why didn't Santa bring me a car?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:58:15 GMT

Is there anything similar to the battery operated car that Santa
can/will bring your daughter?  eg. maybe not a ride-in one, but a small
remote control vehicle?  Or even a $1.99 Tonka toy?

It is difficult to explain to a 4-year-old, but perhaps a lesson in
dollar value of certain items would be appropriate - even Santa has a
budget, if you want to keep this myth alive for your child.  You could
show your child the equivalent of an armful of teddy bears or a stack of
other toys or games which cost the same amount as the toy she really
wants.

I really sympathize with you here.  I have often given my 5 and 9 year
old boys something they REALLY REALLY wanted, knowing that pretty much
the only pleasure they will get out of it is opening it, and that it
will be relegated to the back of the closet thereafter.  It never cost
$200+ though!

-- 
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
=========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Cute things they say, 21mo
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:22:10 GMT

(We're working on "please")

Mom> Are you finished with your dinner?  Would you like to get down?
Ben> Yes please.      [not bad...]
Mom> Did you poop?
Ben> Yes please.      [well...]
Mom> Shall we go in and change your diaper?
Ben> No please.       [well...]

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: age a child can stay home alone
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:02:09 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <23DEC199213145929@quark2.aero.org>
xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita M. Wiltberger) writes:
 
>
>Does anyone know what the legal age is to leave a child by herself at
>home.  I am already planning ahead for spring break.  Rebecca turned 10
>last month and is very reliable.  I feel she can handle the time by
>herself or with her cousins.  Most of the daycare centers I have been
>calling have a third grade max.  Rebecca is a fifth grader.  I can
>probably take two or three days off.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rita Wiltberger
>wiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
>
>
 
I don't know what the laws in your state are, but here in Kentucky,
the legal age is 12 (!!!!) years of age.  This caused me quite a
few problems last year when my stepdaughter (10 at the time) was
not allowed to leave daycare by herself to walk home (2 blocks
away).  Since she was not 12 years old, we *had* to pick her up.
 
Stephanie
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:00:54 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <1992Dec22.171349.28568@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec22.151651.13614@afterlife.ncsc.mil> adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane) writes:
|> >
|> >Claimer: Most of my friends, acquaintances, health care professionals, and
|> >downright strangers were much more determined to downplay my role in the
|> >pregnancy than my wife and I were.
|> 
|> What he said!
|> 
|> *Everything* was in her name, regardless of which one of us talked to
|> the person involved -- even in the more liberal places, and even when
|> it was for information only!  If I called asking for information, they
|> wanted my wife's name.  Every time.  Seriously -- in not a single case
|> involved with the pregnancy did anything I requested or registered for
|> stay in my name; they *always* requested my wife's name and we were
|> registered by her name.

Well, in my case, I was pretty much the focal point of my pregnancies,
too, although the LaMaze and baby care classes we attended with the first
pregnancy were definitely directed equally towards both parents.  As far 
as medical attention went, my husband was relegated to a secondary, yet 
crucial role, which we both felt appropriate.  I don't think he ever felt 
overlooked or left out (even when he really would rather have been left out,
i.e., for our first meconium diaper change, which took the two of us to
accomplish).

The thing that REALLY pissed me off, however, was that after _I`d_ registered
_myself_ at the hospital, after _I_ was the person admitted and the one who
stayed there overnight, after _my_ medical insurance was billed, the hospital
bill came addressed to HIM!!  I could not believe the neanderthal attitude
of this hospital's billing department.  I called to explain that my husband
had not incurred any expenses at the hospital, and as soon as _I_ received
_my_ bill for _my_ expenses, I'd pay it.  They told me they always send the
bill to the husband.  I told them that they'd better send the bill to me if
they wanted to get paid.  

So... that's my experience.  As so often is the case, YMMV.

Judy Drake

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Celebrating Xmas and Hannakuh
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.175845.5561@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>I really wish we would do something like what's done in Japan.  From
>what I've read (and my sources may be wrong), the big occasion for gift
>giving is New Year's 

My brother lived in Japan for five years. The first year he
was there, he was astonished to learn he was
expected to work Dec 25th. When he asked for it off, his boss was
equally astonished. So he explained it was Christmas. The boss looked
at my brother as if he was very very stupid and said yes, he knew it
was Christmas, but that everyone knew Christmas was for *children* and
why would a full grown adult want the day off work?

You culture does rub off on you. My brother started to forget to send
Christmas parcels home. Then he moved to Rome and this year he sent
cards and presents to everyone. I expect that's because of all the
reminders the surrounding culture gave him.

Kate
From: tadpole@ucrmath.ucr.edu (tad white)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: looking for book
Summary: find the mouse
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:15:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Some time ago my wife saw a children's book consisting primarily of
carefully composed photographs, each of which had a mouse in
some inconspicuous hiding place.  Unfortunately we don't know the
author or title.  If you have this book, or you think you know what
it is, I'd be most indebted if you can give me a pointer.  Thanks!

-- 
/********************************************************\
*  Tad White                  UCR Dept. of Mathematics  *      
*  tadpole@ucrmath.ucr.edu    Riverside, CA  92521      *
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