From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:48:57 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <1992Sep9.011205.14237@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.134741.13471@sinix.UUCP> ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone) writes:
>>Well, because the economy and standard of living in the States is vastly
>>superior to that of european countries, more Americans travel.  You don't
>>notice the quiet ones, just the loud ones.
>
>I can't stop laughing.  What utter nonsense.  How long since you went back
>home?  Care to check out some statistics?  Number of trips abroad per capita?
>I think you'll find that Germans, for instance, travel 4 to 5 times (no exact
>numbers in my brain today :-) more than the average US consumer.  Abroad, that
>is.

Funny how when some of us can't site exact numbers it's ok....
So, where did 4 or 5 times come up?  Besides, I was talking about Europe as
a whole, as in Germany, Spain, Greece, Sweden, and a lot of other places. It
wasn't _just_ a comparison with Germany.  Germany seems to be the only place
is the world doing well right now.  Oh no, sorry I don't have specifics
about that either....I guess you'll flame me for not having numbers, and then
not have them yourself.
 
>>Besides, Americans enjoy themselves and are used to being free to express 
>>themselves.  Unlike many of the people I meet in Europe <I live here>,
>
>No, you seem to suffer here.

Huh? what?
 
>>As an american living aboard I am seeing this from both sides of the argument.
>                       ^^^^^^
>A truly Freudian slip.

Learn how to flame someone would ya?

>[Drivel about closed shops deleted]
>
>Apparently, you don't open your eyes to see.  Sure it's nice to go out and 
>buy two sixpacks, a video tape and a canary from the big supermarket next door
>at three in the morning.  But think of the black single mother who has to 
>stand at the register all night, for minimum wages ... two sides to every coin.

Oh yea, now who's blind and clueless?  The 'black single mother'?  Come on,
how about the 'black single mother, exhausted every night, with an aching
back, and a heart condition' Be a little dramatic why don't you.  Wake up
dude, those are JOBS.  Sorry if you consider the night shift to be exploitation
but a lot of people welcome the opportunity. Or should we close the shops
early and pay the poor 'black single mother' <your bigoted stereotype, not
mine> welfare?
 
>>Oh, the Japanese, another successful society with an increasing number of
>>travellers, also display the same kind of loud, gleeful, confidence that
>>would probably make you uncomfortable, do you not like them as well?
>
>This comparison alone shines a bright light on your attitude.  I cannot imagine
>two nations more unlike than Japan and the USA.

Yea, did I _say_ they were a like?  Why don't you _read_ the article you flame?
 
>>Ian Malone
>>Happy In Germany, but not a German
 
>-- Volker
>Not Happy In Germany, but a German

So basically your flaming me for ragging on Germany <as you read it>, but
liking it here,  but you don't like it here. Hmmm...yea, like, sure, ok.