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From: v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin F Hulme)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: All right, speeking of Kennywood/Phantom etc.
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

OK. I expressed my interest in the Steel Phantom a while back. Lately,
people have been posting on Kennywood video stuff and the like. Does
anyone out there have any (ALL!) on ride and/or off ride footage of the
mighty Steel Phantom? I would greatly like to own such footage, and would
be greatly indebted to anyone who would be willing to copy such stuff for
me. I would send a blank tape, and moneys for postage and time inputed,
of course. Please e-mail me and come to my rescue, anyone, who has the
resources to help me. Thanks in advance.

                       Kevin Hulme
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Lakemont Park, Altoona, PA
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:20:38 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Thanks, Buck, for correcting my faux pas.  As I said, I'm not a roller
coaster person.  I guess I should blush, being about two miles from the Leap
the Dips.

As I recall, the carousel that used to be at Lakemont Park was being
considered for National Historic Landmark status when it was carted off to
GodKnowsWhere.  Forgive me if I put little faith in the Blair County powers
that be.

I do see a glimmer of hope in the America's Industrial Heritage Project.
It's trying to preserve the blue-collar cultural heritage of the
area--railroading, mining, and steel making.  Cross your fingers.

Paula
--
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"Snaefridh"  | Bitnet:   pxf3@psuvm          | Hollidaysburg, PA 16648
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                                  --Bjoernstjerne Bjoernson
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: sysop@elan.rowan.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: ROLLER COASTER FTP SITE OPEN!!
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:09:14 GMT


        *************************************************
        **                                             **
        **     Announcing The Grand Opening Of The     **
        **                                             **
        **           ROLLER COASTER FTP SITE           **
        **                                             **
        *************************************************

  I am happy to announce that there is now an FTP site for roller
  coaster enthusiasts.  Currently, we have almost 50 GIF and JPG
  images, and one FLI animation.

  We are looking for more images of coasters and parks, as well
  as ride reviews, park reviews, ride histories, just about any-
  thing related to roller coasters.  If you would like to submit
  something to the site, send it to:  sysop@elan.rowan.edu

  When using the FTP site, please try to limit binary transfers to
  after hours (EST).

                  The address is:  gboro.rowan.edu
                The directory is:  \pub\Coasters
  -----------------------------------------------------------------

  Many thanks to the people who helped me in setting up this site
  and starting out the collection:

        Bruce Klein
        Bill Buckley
        Bill Figie
        Allyn Fratkin
        Geoff Allen
From: rfutscher@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: kennywood memories
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:06:28 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1ienvfINNpir@meaddata.meaddata.com>, sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton) writes:
> 
> There's a book on the history of Kennywood, but my parents checked and it's
> out of print. Anyone have any idea where I can get a copy of it? We checked
> the Pitt bookstore and Borders, but no copies are to be had.
> 
I got my copy at one of the shops in the park in '91.  I realy enjoyed the
part about the Pipin.  I can still remember my first ride.  I didn't know that
it was a coaster until the train left the station and I saw the first drop.

Robert Futscher   rfutscher@pbs.org
From: swain@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: rec.roller-coaster: Essential roller coaster and newsgroup info
Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:34:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I disagree with your statement as to the length of the drop of Viper.
According to the Standards of Operating Procedures Manual for Viper the
first drop on Viper is 187 feet not 171 feet as you stated in the faq.

Ronnie Swain
swain@scf.usc.edu
Rev Crew '93 rules!
From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley - Coaster Whore of Babylon)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Lakemont Park, Altoona, PA
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:35:23 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


<PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...

>I'm not a roller-coaster fan, but I live near Altoona, PA, and the local
>bookstores sell reprints of an antique postcard of the Skyliner (the world's
>oldest wooden roller-coaster).

Sorry to nitpick, but it's LEAP THE DIPS -- The Amedus Sink 1902 figure-8 
side-friction wooden roller coaster (last one in the world) which holds
the record for oldest roller coaster (see our FAQ for this and other
statistics).

The SKYLINER was built by John Allen (Geoff Allen's little boy -- only
kidding!) 8^), and was his first major wooden roller coaster design for 
PTC.  It was originally built in 1960, and was moved in 1987 from Roseland
Amusement Park (Canandaigua, NY -- it's original home) to it's current home 
at Lakemont.  The ride was moved and rebuilt by Charlie Dinn (Dinn Corporation).


>The last time I saw the poor thing (in August at a Paul Winter concert held
>at the park), it looked like it was ready to fall down.  I doubt the local
>people will do much about that.  The county leased the park several years
>ago to a developer who went bankrupt.  A consortium of his creditors now
>owns the lease (it's a very complicated arrangement).

Well, to my knowledge the ride has (or will soon) received National
Historic Landmark status, and will be re-built in hopes of re-opening
to the public.  Last I heard Lakemont was bringing people in to assess
the amount of work needed to get the ride up and running.  It was loosely
slated to re-open in late 1993, but that now looks impossible.  I don't
think the fate of doom is firmly sealed on this coaster, however.


Hope this clarification helps...
Buck
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: sysop@elan.rowan.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: More about the FTP Site
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:27:50 GMT


	Forgot to mention this before - the file COASTERS.LIS is an index 
	describing what all the other files are on the site.
From: tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Aulfinger)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Eastcoaster '93
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfIDvYe00WB2EF7TRd
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sponsored account, Accounts, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi Folks,

Gary and I will be making an appearance at EastCoaster.  We are also
making the event badges.  We could be persuaded to put User ids on them
if everyone who is going will email then to us.

Trace
From: "scott mcgrath" <scott.mcgrath@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: no more images in rec
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:31:31 EST
Reply-To: "scott mcgrath" <scott.mcgrath@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Subject: No more images in rec.roller-coaster

rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:

  > If we were to cut off Germany/England from the newsfeed for
  >BINARIES ONLY.  That is, set the "Distribution:" line to "USA" or
  >something... most of the sites here in the US are local enough to each
  >other that they won't be bothered by that occassional big feed -- and
  >Thorsten wouldn't have to worry about big phone bills from a series of
  >60k UUE's coming down the pipe.

  > What do you think about that idea?  Worthwhile?

I'm located in the US, and I pay to receive my newsfeed from a
commercial source. I call long-distance to receive the newsfeed as well
because there is not a local source. You have to remember that there are
people who do not use 'rn' and who do not have the benefit of a free
newsfeed. Please try to be considerate of us as well. I think the idea
of messages pointing to postings in alt.pictures.misc is the best
solution.

                       scott.mcgrath@channel1.com

 * DeLuxe2 1.26b #184sa * 
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Batman Ride at Astroworld
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:46:37 GMT

mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov asks:
>Does anybody have any details about the Batman ride
>at Astroworld/Houston? I know that it will include the stand-up
>rollercoaster (Intamin?) from Six Flags in New Jersey.  

That's right. I have heard rumors that AstroWorld will be 'punching-up'
the ending.

>I've
>heard sketchy plans of converting the Mountain (from the
>defunct Alpine Sleigh Ride) into a fully themed Bat Cave
>which will precede the coaster. 


True also. Plus the end of the coaster (which is rather in a straight
line, and has no elevation changes) will be made to go through the mountain,
or some other dark tunnel.

Usually when rides are moved from 'northern' parks, down to
'southern' Six Flags parks, the rides are *improved* slightly.
{examples: UltraTwister at AstroWorld; Ninja at Six Flags Over Georgia, etc).


I have high hopes for Batman The Ride (The Standup) but I have a 
nagging suspicion that it won't be as much fun as The Iron Wolf
at SFGreat America (a B&M stand-up).


Rendell

-- 


"Please keep your hands and arms inside the carpet at all times"
                            -The Blue Genie to Aladdin
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Subject: Eastcoaster '93
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:06:33 GMT


Hi everyone,

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!  Or I hope it is, anyways...

At the end of January, ACE will be hosting it's annual EASTCOASTER 
convention (a non-coaster convention) at the Days Inn Conference Ctr 
in Allentown, PA on Saturday, Jan 30th, from 8:30 to 7pm, with a side 
trip on Sunday, Jan 31st to the PTC factory in Lansdale, PA in the am.

Curious -- anyone from the network (besides Ton Obszanski and myself)
planning on being in attendance??  Maybe we could have a rec.roller-coaster
table for the event!!  

PS - Pre-registration has to be completed before January 15th, 1993.


See ya,
Buck, just back from OKC
From: cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Eastcoaster '93
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:08:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TheNews

In article <1993Jan5.141528.26434@engage.pko.dec.com>
buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley) writes:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>HAPPY NEW YEAR!!  Or I hope it is, anyways...
>
>At the end of January, ACE will be hosting it's annual EASTCOASTER 
>convention (a non-coaster convention) at the Days Inn Conference Ctr 
>in Allentown, PA on Saturday, Jan 30th, from 8:30 to 7pm, with a side 
>trip on Sunday, Jan 31st to the PTC factory in Lansdale, PA in the am.
>
>Curious -- anyone from the network (besides Ton Obszanski and myself)
>planning on being in attendance??  Maybe we could have a rec.roller-coaster
>table for the event!!  
>
>PS - Pre-registration has to be completed before January 15th, 1993.
>
>
>See ya,
>Buck, just back from OKC 
>
Hi all,

I'll be there.  I think a table would be a good idea, but we should probably
pick a general location at least, so that we have a chance of finding each
other!!!  

Hope to (finally) put some faces with the names...

-- Cheri
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: kennywood memories
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:40:16 GMT
 <1ienvfINNpir@meaddata.meaddata.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: wjf@rs2


In article <1ienvfINNpir@meaddata.meaddata.com>,
 sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton) writes:
|> 
|> Just to let people know (especially our video-loving friend,
|> Bill :-) that you can order a copy of this tape from WQED in
|> Pittsburgh. They have a special order form that has all kinds
|> of tapes about Pittsburgh (Kennywood Memories Things That Aren't
|> There Anymore, Downtown Pittsburgh, etc.) I would assume that you
|> can try calling the station and asking them to send you an order 
|> form. Each video costs $19.95.

Thanks Sharon for the info.  Believe it or not, I have several copies
of "Kennywood Memories" and one copy of "Things ...".  I have several
friends in the Pittsburgh area that saw these things when they came on
TV and taped them for me.  Thanks for thinking about me though.  As far
as books go, the book by Charlie J. Jacques Jr. is very good.  He also
has a book out on West View Park.  I am not sure if the FAQ has a
listing of all books published or not.  I have been meaning to write
down information about all the books I have in my collection so it can
be published in the FAQ.  I also have been meaning to compile a list of
all video tapes that were once for sale so they too can be put into the
FAQ.  I think this would be some good information.  BTW, I don't have
all videos that have ever been for sale.  I know of about 7 or 8 that I
am meaning to purchase but at 25 dollars plus a pop, I have to purchase
them one or two every couple months.  It is about time for me to put in
another order.  One I got several months ago is on Riverview Park
(Chicago).  It was listed in NAPHA News.  I think I paid 30 dollars for
it.  I forget the exact name of the tape.  I think there are 2
Riverview tapes.  The good one is done by Clarance Hintz and George
Berbet (sp?).  Some may know these original ACEers.  The other states
"professionally shot with 35 mm camera".  IMHO it is a piece of crap. 
Very poorly put together, bad cuts, so-so shots around the park and
several strange scenes.  I don't recommend it. If I remember to look it
up tonight, I will post the name of the good one and the bad one.  I
have plans on writing a column for ACE News on videos for sale but
haven't had the time to sit down and do about a dozen of them.

		Bill "seen any good videos lately" Figie
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:34:07 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Batman Ride at Astroworld
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Does anybody have any details about the Batman ride
>at Astroworld/Houston? I know that it will include the stand-up
>rollercoaster (Intamin?) from Six Flags in New Jersey.  I've
>heard sketchy plans of converting the Mountain (from the
>defunct Alpine Sleigh Ride) into a fully themed Bat Cave
>which will precede the coaster. When I was there a few weeks
>ago for Holiday in the park, they had a VERY realisitic Batmobile
>sitting in front of the Mountain. 


Say, you wouldn't happen to know if Astroworld will be open anytime in
the next couple of weeks, would you? I know Six Flags over Texas was
open Jan.  2-3, and is now closed, presumably until March or something. 

The reason I ask is because I'm flying into Houston on Sunday and will
be taking a two-week training course.  So I'll be stuck in Houston with
two weeks' worth of evenings and one weekend 16-17) to fill.  If
Astroworld were to be open sometime during my stay, I'd be one
super-excited dude, but I'm doubtful....

I visited Space Center Houston when I was there in October.  Nice job
they did!

Thanks,

Geoff

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Macintosh Old-Fart Memory #207
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \
geoff@pauling.inel.gov \  Typing ugly documents with 73 fonts/styles,
                        \    and thinking they looked good.
From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: All right, speeking of Kennywood/Phantom etc.
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:12:17 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Kevin F Hulme writes...

>OK. I expressed my interest in the Steel Phantom a while back. Lately,
>people have been posting on Kennywood video stuff and the like. Does
>anyone out there have any (ALL!) on ride and/or off ride footage of the
>mighty Steel Phantom? I would greatly like to own such footage, and would
>be greatly indebted to anyone who would be willing to copy such stuff for
>me. I would send a blank tape, and moneys for postage and time inputed,
>of course. Please e-mail me and come to my rescue, anyone, who has the
>resources to help me. Thanks in advance.

ACE (or someone in...) was selling a video tape of the 1991 Coaster Con
IV, which was held at Kennywood.  The video features many shots of the
phantom, including POV footage.  Not sure how to order, I don't usually
do such things...


Cheers,
Buck
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: kennywood memories
Summary: Some thoughts.
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:04:47 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1993Jan6.150839.25029@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> calvin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (scott.a.kaye) writes:
>Boy do I miss Kennywood.  I got back there for the first time in about 8 years
>this past summer, and I still love it.  It has to be my favorite park to visit
>even beats Cedar Point, mainly because it is a lot less crowded.
Also, Kennywood is a traditional park (versus Cedar Point which is rapidly
becoming more of a theme park and certainly exhibits severe TPM (Theme Park
Mentality)).
> (deleted some great comments about rides)
>Also, make sure you try one of the Kennywood Corn Dogs, they are the best in
>the world.
And don't forget the Kennywood Potato Patch, consistently rated as having
some of the best fries at any park!
Also, for general information, the Kennywood book is written by Charles
Jacques and was available at Kennywood itself, you might want to call them
or Charlie (he is listed in the ACE membership directory).
>
>Scott
Tom Maglione, MIT Media Lab, SM EECS 1993.
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:35:37 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Jan7.203407.16583@pmafire.inel.gov>
Distribution: usa
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<1993Jan7.203407.16583@pmafire.inel.gov> was cancelled from within trn.
From: longman@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew S. Longman)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: maintenance
Summary: track checking etc...
Keywords: track, maintenance
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:26:20 GMT
Distribution: na


	This is intended as a conversation starter on the daily maintenance
procedure for woodies.  Coasters that is.  Does anyone know what the
daily, monthly, yearly checks are?  When do you measure what and what are
the legal guidelines?  How much do those guys get paid and how do you
become one?  Is there a coaster mechanic trade school?  
whaddyall know? 

-longman@bohr.physics.purdue.edu
From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Batman Ride at Astroworld
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:14:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>Does anybody have any details about the Batman ride
>at Astroworld/Houston? I know that it will include the stand-up
>rollercoaster (Intamin?) from Six Flags in New Jersey.  I've
>heard sketchy plans of converting the Mountain (from the
>defunct Alpine Sleigh Ride) into a fully themed Bat Cave
>which will precede the coaster. When I was there a few weeks
>ago for Holiday in the park, they had a VERY realisitic Batmobile
>sitting in front of the Mountain. 

My details are still skety as well.  I also heard the mountain was
going to be converted into a "Bat cave" queue area.  I also heard
plans that the lift hill may be enclosed in a tunnel.  They are
definitely going to put a tunnel on the ride SOMEWHERE.  It was
even speculated they may do TWO tunnels -- one at the 
beginning of the ride, and one towards the end (in a somewhat doggy
section of trackwork).

Myself??  I hope they get rid of that damn trim brake that SF
put on there when it was in NJ.  It kind of killed the 2nd half of
the ride, which looks like it could be real fub at higher speeds
(like the 2nd half of those B&M standup rides ... remember, they
all are trim brakeless!).


Cheerios,
Buck a roo
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:24:39 EST
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Lakemont Park, Altoona, PA

I'm not a roller-coaster fan, but I live near Altoona, PA, and the local
bookstores sell reprints of an antique postcard of the Skyliner (the world's
oldest wooden roller-coaster).

The last time I saw the poor thing (in August at a Paul Winter concert held
at the park), it looked like it was ready to fall down.  I doubt the local
people will do much about that.  The county leased the park several years
ago to a developer who went bankrupt.  A consortium of his creditors now
owns the lease (it's a very complicated arrangement).

Anyway, I will send postcards of the Skyliner to fans who send me a
self-addressed, stamped envelope, and 50cents to cover the cost of the
postcard.  (If you're outside the US, please send postal reply coupons, and
don't bother with the money.)

Obviously, I'm not doing this to make money.  I just feel sorry that the
Skyliner will probably meet the same fate as the wonderful Lakemont
Carousel, which is gone now.

If this is a way for someone to enjoy the Skyliner, I'm glad to help.

Paula
--
Paula Ford   | Internet: pxf3@psuvm.psu.edu  | PO Box 674
"Snaefridh"  | Bitnet:   pxf3@psuvm          | Hollidaysburg, PA 16648
Den som har droemt Udfaerd og Daad senker ej Sejl uden med Sorg,
                                  --Bjoernstjerne Bjoernson
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: kennywood memories
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:25:54 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
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i recently saw a one-hour pbs special called "kennywood memories", about
kennywood park in pa near pittsburgh.(and accidentally taped over the
video i saved of it-snif).  my husband has a friend if pittsburgh who had 
invited us to visit her(and kennywood), but we'd been procrastinating.  this
tape convinced me.

the coasters it showed were:
the shuttle loop (i forget its name but i don't do anything that puts my
head hanging down).

the racer-twin cars on adjacent tracks.

jackrabbit and thunderbolt-two old woodies, the jackrabbit goes in and
out of the ravines it was built on/in.


it didn't(that i remember)-mention the new steelie built very recently.



we hope to go this summer-anyone wanna tell us more?
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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