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From: dougp@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Shin Splints - what are they?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:55:11 GMT
Reply-To: dougp@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.13 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In  <2AFEFAFE.7679@news.service.uci.edu>  robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.175821.21769@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>  writes:
> > Just like the subject line says -
> > what are they?
> >
> > and more importantly, how do I get rid of them?
> >

Let's see if I can remember what shin splints are....

In the lower part of the leg there are tendons that hold the muscles to the
femur, the biggest bone in the leg.  Shin splints occur when the tendon starts
to pull away from the bone.

This can be caused by a several different things:

   1. Running on hard surfaces all of the time

   2. Running on the same side of the road all of the time.

      The road is sloped so water will run off.  Running on that slope will
      cause troubles.

   3. Old shoes

      Whenever I start to feel any sort of unusual pains, I buy new running
      shoes.  This is probably a little extreme, but I figure "better safe
      that sorry".

In addition to the rubberband trick that Robin mentioned,  you can also
try picking up marbles with your toes and holding them up.  If you do
that a couple of million times, that might help.


If I am wrong about what shin splints are, someone please correct me.

Hope this helps,

Doug Poirier
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mx2927@ehsn13.cen.uiuc.edu (Michael G Xakellis)
Subject: Re: Warmup
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:24:47 GMT

aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:

>Here is my problem.  First, my calves tend to very tight when I
>start running leading to shin splints unless I run very slow, at
>least for the first half-hour.  Second, since I start slow it
>takes me longer than is pleasant to warm up.

>Is there another solution to this problem besides the hill?  The
>thing is that I am about to move to a place that is completely
>flat and am terrified of having to go back to the old painful
>days.

Try tapping each foot repetitively 50 or 100 times. 
It should make you look like you're impatiently waiting 
for your running partner.  This will warm up your shins
and hopefully reduce any pain you're experiencing.

Try it; it worked for me.

Mike Xakellis  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: loreen@raider.SanDiego.NCR.com (Loreen Prinz)
Subject: Re: ROAD RUNNER SPORTS - phone number needed
Reply-To: Loreen.Prinz@SanDiego.NCR.com
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:31:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.003953.19973@news.uiowa.edu>,
haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman) writes:
> 
> I'm looking for the phone number for Road Runner Sports.  

1-800-551-5558

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Shin Splints - what are they?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:58:21 GMT

Just like the subject line says -
what are they? 

and more importantly, how do I get rid of them? 

just one more mile,
jim p. 
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
From: rantalmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Numb Knee
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:22:20 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I've been having knee problems and hope someone out there might be able to
help.

About two months ago, I strained my right knee.  Along with this, I had
tendonitis and plicae.  Basically every thing has healed--I dont have pain
anymore.

My problem is, the knee feels weird, like it could collapse.  I'm still slightly
limping, not putting my full weight on my right leg.  After I run, My right
knee is numb and tingles from the knee down.

I was at the doctor's a couple weeks ago, and just came from seeing our
trainer.  Neither knew what the deal was.

Thanks for your help.

Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
Matt Rantala                          
1010 Main St                 (715) 836-7910
Eau Claire, WI 54701         rantalmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu

"Dick, um, very, very, very bad."
           -Bo, when asked by Dick Schaap if not being able to run hurt.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cdis76@email.mot.com (Deena Snell)
Subject: Re: Clubs in Chicago
Organization: Motorola
Distribution: rec.running
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:25:43 GMT


Contact the Chicago Area Runner's Association at 312/357-0303.  They could
put you in touch with a club in your area.  Also, on Sunday mornings at 
7 a.m. at the Home Economist Foods in Barrington on Northwest Highway a 
group of runners meet for a 10.8 mile run (very hilly).  Runners of all
abilities meet there.  Everyone is welcome.  

 In article <92313.20480634YCX3S@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, <34YCX3S@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> 
> I will be starting a new job in the Chicago area and I am interested in
> running clubs that exist there.  I will be living in Wheaton until the first
> of the year, but will probably not be far from there when I do move.  My job
> is in Downers Grove.  I will be looking for people to run with.  I run
> approximately 55 to 60 miles a week with a long run of 15 to 18 miles at a
> 7:00 minute pace average, and do some sort of speed or pace session once a
> week.  Any information will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.  Kevin E. Gross
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: ohio cc champs (was rec.running)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:54:30 GMT

 jbuddenberg@vax.muskingum.edu  writes:

>I just wanted so say how proud of my brother I am.  This past weekend he won
>the Ohio State Cross-Country Championship in division II.  He ran 15:42 for 5K
>and he is only a junior in high school.
>
>                        Congratulations Mike !
>

	Ditto.

	The girls division 2 race was won in meet record time
of 17:03.  The winner, whose name escapes me, is a
4 foot 8 inch 80 lb 14 yr old.  I should have gone to the meet
instead of a boring football game.  The boys division 1 race
went to the last few meters, with two local runners (from Columbus)
racing to the last 100 meters with winning times of 15:0x.
The winner set a PR by 30 seconds.

-Jon
From: taylor@hardy.u.washington.edu (Allen D. Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Tight calf muscles
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:32:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <13882@pogo.wv.tek.com> lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd  
Wieman;685-3751;63-356;LP=A;P0HG) writes:
> So what do you do with a bunch of decent looking but essentially  
>unusable
> running shoes?  I can only use so many pairs of mud and mountain bike
> shoes.
> 
> Lynd

How about Good Will or the charity of your choice?

--Allen

==============================================================================
Allen D. Taylor       University of Washington   taylor@cac.washington.edu
Information Systems   Seattle, Washington  USA   Human 1st - World Citizen 2nd
==============================================================================
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: ripstop source
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:17:32 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Some of us (and I wont disclose who US is just yet) are
in the process of investigating cost and source for "first"
quality ripstop in UK. Mostly what we get is "seconds",
and we are probably paying way over the score. It might also
have come to your attention that Carringtons might not be the best
material. 

We (US) believe/expect that we cannot buy direct without a 
trader's licence. We also believe/expect that the minimum order quanitity
will be at least 50m. However ...  we will keep you informed.
From: north@ash.egr.msu.edu (George M North)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: RUMOR: Easton abandons kite spar product line?
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:29:34 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

No Easton Won't get our of the arrow business. But they never have had much
luck with any of their carbon line arrow shafts. Their A/C/H arrows have a
bad rep with the hunters because the carbon tends to shatter on impact
with bone. Thus sending carbon slivers into the meat. I know that they have had to pull
their Carbon line in the past because of this. Any AFC arrow
that does not pass certain requirements gets stamped "Not to be used as a arrow shaft"
Or something to that effect. and gets sold to us kite fliers as seconds.  I suspect
that is what Easton started doing before they introduced their kite rod line. However
they must not of felt that it was worth it because according to the owner of WindZingers
here in E Lansing Mi. and Ray Hanchet who builds the Overdrive for Skyburner Kites

Easton no longer makes kite rods!!!

That is not to say that you won't still be able to get their A/C/H arrows. But their 
Two wrap line are gone. If you store doesn't have any now they won't be getting any. 
not from Easton any way.

George.                       north@frith.egr.msu.edu
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Painting/Colouring Ripstop Nylon
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:25:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Just an idea for Simo. You might try tacking the rip stop you want to
put through the Desk Jet printer on to a piece of paper. We done similar
things in the office for "sticky back" transfer paper that didn't want to
feed through. What we did was back the transfer paper with regular bond
paper and scotch taped the leading edge of the transfer to the band paper 
then fed the combo through. It worked pretty good. You may be able
to do the same with ripstop backed with paper. It's worth a try.

I'd just worry about the heat from the printer melting or affecting
the rip stop some other way. It could turn into a big mess.
 
-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: uesg11@giac1.oscs.montana.edu (Damian Spangrud)
Subject: boats and kites
Organization: Geographic Information and Analysis Center Montana State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:22:00 GMT

I rember hearing/reading that flexi-foils mounted on a sailboat have set the world speed record.
	it was 7 or 10 10 foots on the mast....


Damian

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Painting/Colouring Ripstop Nylon
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 07:57:18 GMT

I have got some ideas to my request on experiences to paint the
ripstop with an ink jet printer.

Actually I have done no experiments by myself. Possibly never do.
Like Steve said "It could turn into a big mess". 

Anyway I think ink jet printer _might_ be suitable because it
does not generate heat (?). The method computerized T-shirt
makers use is thermal transfer technique - isn't it? It is
probably too hot for ripstop. However there is not hope in
using "normal" ripstop, because of the coating. I'll need at least
half uncoated stuff.

If I ever will try this, you can be sure rec.kites will hear about
it. One day I was playing with fractal images on my PC and thought
how nice kite they would decorate...

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: ag807@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Radio Shack Strobe Light
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:46:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


The new 1993 Radio Shack Scanner, on page 93, lists a strobe that
takes a single "C" cell.  This item appears to be new as none of
our local stores have it.

It looks like a good, cheap, real strobe well suited for night
flying in our November gales.

Has anyone seen or tried one?

Thanks,
Steve
--
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite powered boat
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:51:17 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1dlf90INN1oq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>
>I am looking for information on experiments using kites
>instead of sails for propelling a boat.  I remember seeing
>some experiments in England on unusual sail ideas several
>years ago but cannot find it.

Check out the Winter 88-89 (Vol 7, No 2) issue of KiteLines.  There's an
article by Dave Culp on kitesailing.  Sorry, but I'm far too lazy to type
in the whole thing, unless enough people start clamoring for it.

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: puc@aber.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: ripstop source
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:23:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


Hi,

Does anyone have names and addresses for companies producing
ripstop nylon in the UK? I'de particularly like to contact
the company making " Carrington Novarre" nylon but info on
others would be welcome. Search using electronic yellow
pages was unsuccesful.

Paul
(puc@uk.ac.aberystwyth)
From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: KITE POWERED BOAT
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 

Sailers call Spinakers Kites but you probably already knew that.  You
probably also know that these are very large "kites".  The sail area on
the America Cup boats is 4000 square feet.  I tried to pull a canooe
with a parafoil but it was too small and didn't do much.
Cheers
From: chuckb@stein.u.washington.edu (Charles Bass)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite powered boat
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:35:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.013506.16641
Organization: University of Washington

I can't really give a company name but at the "Gorge" also known
as Hood River Oregon there is a company that allows you to rent
or buy a large (12ft is my guess) flexi that you water-ski
behind.  It looks pretty fun but they are not even close to as
fast as the windsurfers.  

The area-code for Hood River is 503 if someone wants to look
into it.  

I understand that the current sail powered record (on water not
ice) is in excess of 50mph held by a windsurfer.  Again no
source so it's just a rumor ;-)

chuckb
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Flow Form enlargement
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:16:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park


I've decided it's That Time--time to build a parafoil.  I want a flow form,
for a large number of reasons, and I know there are plans in quite a few
books (Gregor's, Jim Rowland's, etc.).  As far as I know, all of these
are for a roughly 8 square foot kite.  I'm looking to building something
closer to 30 square feet.  I've heard that the flow form plans can only
be increased to a certain degree, after which the kite won't fly--the
cells get too deep and so on and so forth.  So my question is, what *is*
that point beyond which you need to modify the pattern?  If I scale up
another 50% from a pattern I have, will it work?  What happens if I double
the the measurements in the pattern?

I'd appreciate any suggestions or hints y'all might have on this subject.

Jeff
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|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: hbtnn@usno06.nor.chevron.com (Brian Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Painting/Colouring Ripstop Nylon
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:41:42 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Nov3.205558.29736@nic.funet.fi>, salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) writes:
|> In <1992Nov3.175725.8555@zoo.bt.co.uk> cdt@zoo.bt.co.uk (Clive Dennett-Thorpe) writes:
|> 
|> >I know that ripstop nylon is VERY difficult
|> >to colour according to the textbooks that is...
|> >although I do have a Kitelines backissue detailing
|> >how to dye ripstop in a special "steamer" contraption...
|> 
|> I have a dream, too.
|> 
|> I would like to paint ripstop panels trough
|> a deskjet. But how ????????????????????????????
|> 
|> Do we have anybody from HP labs and/or Carrington
|> on rec.kites?
|> 
|> Smooth Winds
|> Simo Salanne
This idea just struck me so take with a grain or three of halite:
have you tried using the HP paint output as an iron-on transfer?
I seem to remember that sort of thing being used in the t-shirt
industry...

Brian Tanner
hbtnn@usno06.nor.chevron.com
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Kite powered boat
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:41:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I am looking for information on experiments using kites
instead of sails for propelling a boat.  I remember seeing
some experiments in England on unusual sail ideas several
years ago but cannot find it.
Any info appreciated. can post or e mail to me.
mike romano


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Impressive response from TotL
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:35:49 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Well, TotL called me yesterday morning when they received my letter about
the NSR problems that had occured.  Mike (don't know his last name except
it starts with a "D" ) told me that he will personally inspect a new NSR
that would be built to my specs (custom color etc..) that very day, and make
sure everything is OK if I wanted one.  While I was talking to him, 
Pat Tabor jumped on the line and also apologized for the upsetting experience
that had occured. We spent some time talking about what had happened, and I 
explained how difficult it is for me to trust TotL.

    To remedy the situation, Pat Tabor told me that they would make a
special deal with the local kite shop so as to lower the price of a new NSR if 
I wanted to get one. What I thought was great was that they 
specifically said they DID NOT want to "undercut" the kite store (there go the
undercutting rumors)!

Both Pat and Mike both again apologized and told me to call them when the
new NSR comes in...

As far as financial problems, Pat told me that they are feeling pressure from
the large amount of kite manufacturers, but they want to keep quality and
the customers- I got the impression from the phone conversation that they
were doing their best to please (They called me even though I had no
phone number on the letter!), and I am once again happy with TotL-

Now all I have to do is wait until monday or tuesday to see the new NSR!

I formally withdrawl my TotL bashing that I posted while in a fit of rage..

Impressed in Kansas,
Paul
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: KITE POWERED BOAT
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:55:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <601.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com> allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) writes:

>Sailers call Spinakers Kites but you probably already knew that.  You
>probably also know that these are very large "kites".  The sail area on
>the America Cup boats is 4000 square feet.  

Of course, the boats that most people try to pull with kites are far
smaller than those used in such races as the America's Cup.

>I tried to pull a canooe
>with a parafoil but it was too small and didn't do much.

I know a guy who's kited across 3 or 4 of the Great Lakes, as well as several
other bodies of water.  As I recall, he told me that he'd used a 16 square
foot flowform for traction.  He says that the trick is not in using a big
kite, because that tends to provide vertical lift and not horizontal.  To
increase the horizontal vector, you use line junk (spin socks, drogues, etc.)
strung along the line.  Most of the work the kite itself does is in holding
these items in the air.

Jeff




-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: ripstop source
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:59:39 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Not quite a follow-up... but a friend has a paraglider (lucky swine)
and was showing me a scrap of the material which was supplied for
making repairs. It's obviously a form of ripstop, a little heavier
than `kite-weight' ripstop, but the coating is rather more obvious
and a little waxy. The material feels less `crisp' than the ripstop
I'm used to.

I'm also interested in ripstop sources, and pass the above on
because, size for size, paragliders seem pretty good value compared
to some kites. I wonder if their ripstop is cheaper?

(paraglider size - approx 8m span X 3m deep retail cost 1375) 

	john N

	


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Department of Electronics  University of York
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From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: KITE POWERED BOAT
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:56:13 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.


Kite as mast .... I like that. I always assumed that one would use
the kite alone, rather than use the kite to haul up drouges that
would generate drag, to be exploited for forward motion. Nice :-)