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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Miami routs Arizona
Followup-To: Mike Cornwall art. 8521
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:10:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.143328.3229@spss.com>, mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
writes:

>My my, a bit touchy aren't we? Did I hit a sore spot or are you delirious
>over the mighty canes rout of Arizona?

>I must admit I forgot to put a smiley in my original post, I guess sarcasm
>must be pointed out to anyone as touchy as you. :) (there how's that?)

>You know, your really come across as such an endearing person. Too bad you
>are a Miami fan.

--
>Mike Cornwall
>mike@spss.com

You did have a few rather harsh remarks about UM teaching criminal activity
and the like so I was responding to that. I am sick of reading all of these
posts that continue to imply that Miami is a third rate school with a third
rate student body. I won't stand idly by and let these absurd unfounded
insults be cast without an equal and opposite response. So if you want to
flame Miami be ready to have the heat come back at you.

As for the Arizona game, big deal. We won, we didn't play for the tie. And
I am confident that the Noles will come into the OB thinking that Miami is
a pushover and that they will waltz to victory. Good I hope they truly
believe that, because reality will rear it's ugly head and when the Noles
leave Miami they are going to be thinking that they just ran into a runaway
freight train.

I truly feel that the Canes will beat the snot out of FSU. Master Ward is
going to think he broke open a Hornets nest only these hornets are 200 to
300 pounds and 6 feet plus tall. I wrote in a previous post that I thought
the score will be around 41 to 17 but I'm going to revise that. It'll be
closer to 48 to 7 that is if FSU scores at all.

John T.
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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Stanford @ Notre Dame
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:57:38 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

I am wondering about Stanford's defense, especially vs. the run.  They
looked good in their first game (aTm?).  Notre Dame has some great runners:
  Brooks (47 attempts, 487 yds.; average of 10.4)
  Bettis (66, 381; 5.8)
  Becton (29, 168; 4.8)
   Mirer (20,  97; 4.8)

 overall (201, 1264; 6.3)

Mirer has passed for 798 yds in 84 attempts (41 completions) giving him
a yards per attempt average of 9.5.

So running and passing are mixed up and they do both pretty well, at least
against the competition, which except for Michigan has been lackluster.

I read where Stanford's defense has given up 811 yds in 252 attempts
for a 3.2 yds/attempt average.  Something must give, since ND's offense
gains a little over 7 yds/attempt.  ND gains 512 yds/game while Stanford
allows only 203 yds per game.  This should be a good game.

Walsh's offense?  Anybody got some info?
From: garnto@vaxdad.scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto, SCRI, 904/644-4534)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TV games Oct 3
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:56:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep27.225629.26706@igor.tamri.com>, salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) writes...
*In article <1992Sep27.165538.5293@infonode.ingr.com> ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
*>
*>Tennessee At LSU has been moved to ESPN at 7:30 ET
*>Georgia At Arkansas will be on JP/Sports at 12:30 ET  
*>
*>
*>I don't know ABC's slate, or the rest of ESPN's.
*>Last known ACC JP/Sports game would be NC State At Georgia Tech noon ET
* 
*Well ESPN has 		Ohio State @ Wisconsin (9:30am PDT) &
*	      		Tennessee @ LSU (4:30pm PDT).
* 
*In the West, ABC has	Florida State (FSU) @ Miami (9:00am PDT) &
*			USC @ Washington (12:30pm PDT).
* 

Good thing we are on the right (left vs right, not correct vs wrong) coast. 
Could you imagine trying to get a good party going before 9am?  Gives me
chills.  :-)...

*Also NBC has		Stanford @ Notre Dame (10:30am PDT).
Gee, Notre Dame on NBC.

* 
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From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: penn state's "ranking"
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.142101.15257@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> yecx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Isn't it interesting that of the worst twenty teams in the nation, Penn State
>has played three of them (Maryland, Temple, Cincinatti), even had trouble with
>one of them (Cincinatti) and can be considered in the top ten of the country. 
>I believe they shouldn't get any credit until they DESERVE it.  Really now,
>what have they done to prove themselves.   IF  they win this weekend, the
>discussion might be different.  Until then . . . .


	Did you see the struggles of Washington vs. USC or Texas A&M vs.
T Tech?  What is your comment about them?  Penn State hasn't played a
good team yet.  But Penn State didn't have any problems in handling
Maryland and Temple.  Regarding the Cincinatti game,  there were more
emotions than skills involved.  Remember last year, 81:0.  If it were a
basketball game, it would be easier to accept.   But this is football.
In my opinion, this kind of teams should be dropped to Division II.
Furthermore,  Penn State will crush Miami this weekend for sure.  Any
comment?


	*******************
	JLI  PENN STATE '90
	*******************

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Miami, Florida
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:03:54 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Sep27.230815.20234@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@joplin.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

| In article <y6!pwlf@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
| >Miami is the greatest team of all time...they can beat Arizona 8-7.
| >
| 
| I can't wait to hear all the excuses from those arrogant Miami fans.
| First they schedule Florida A&M and then they squesk by Arizona at home.
| There's no way Miami even deserves to be in the top 5, much less #1.
| 
| 		- Rob

Miami found a way to win, while playing poorly.  Just like all great teams
do that don't panic and play for a tie.
From: ds4@soc15.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami, Florida
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:17:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.5813

In article <BvM2MM.F7y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin ) writes:
|> ds4@soc6.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >So what you are saying, is that it is ok to tie, but not to win by one point?
|> 
|> 
|> Is it me or is Lou Holtz taking this conservative thing a little too far?

It is you.  Next time try to read the WHOLE post.  I know that including other
peoples posts confuses you but you must read it.  The point of my article did not
even concern Holtz at all, so where did you come up with this?!?!  Be a good
little boy and do not comment till you read a little better :)

-ds4
From: morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Navy Football -- How Bad Can It Get??
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:49:03 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep28.162013.26598@mdd.comm.mot.com>, welch@mdd.comm.mot.com (James Welch) writes:
|> Three games -- no points!!  Does anyone out there know if there is any hope for this team?
|> I realize that the first three games of the year were against some decent teams (i.e. 
|> Virginia, BC, and Rutgers); however, an offense that can't put a single point|>  
|> on the board is cause for concern. 

And they come here to Carolina this week.  How's that for motivating a 
defense!  I can picture Coach Brown now: "These guys haven't scored a
point all year.  Let's not be the first."

Anyone want to start the "when will Navy score" pool?

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: UNI Stomps on ISU
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:42:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.035049.9107@ccad.uiowa.edu> tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:

	 >I would just like to congratulate the Northern Iowa Panthers on
  >defeating Iowa State.  The Panthers are a Division I-AA (Currently ranked #4
  >in the nation) school that had only beat Iowa State once, in 1900.  It was
  >a fine show by UNI, and makes ISU a distant #3 in the state of Iowa.
  >(1. Iowa, 2 UNI 3. ISU).  Good luck panthers!!!!!!!

I'm not so sure it isn't (1. UNI, 2. Iowa, 3. ISU)

After all, Iowa will be 1-4 next week after they get their butts
kicked in Ann Arbor.

Go Blue!


 -Alan Harder

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From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:07:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.144236.9701@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>You think Virginia's out of conference schedule looks pathetic this year?
>It ALWAYS is. And to make things worse, when FSU joined the ACC, G Welsh
>started whining about how Virginia would get to play one less out-of-
>conference patsy, ie Virginia Military, a team that, while I-AA, would
>lose badly to a good Div. III team.
>
>Oh yeah, I think Welsh calls them "traditional in-state rivalries" instead
>of "out-of-conference patsies", though these are virtually synonymous--
>im not even really flaming tech here, the other two 'traditional in-state
>rivalries" are W&M and VMI..........

Actually, Rob, Virginia never plays BOTH W&M and VMI in the same year.
The out of conference schedule used to be: Va Tech, VMI or W&M, an
easy out of conference foe (Navy), and a difficult one. However, Penn
State dropped Virginia after playing only two games of a four game
contract, so UVa picked up Kansas as a last minute replacement for the
previous two years.

With the addition of FSU to the conference schedule, UVa has to drop
one out of conference game... I'll be the first to admit that it should be
the "traditional in-state rival," either VMI or W&M, and not the
Penn-State-then-filled-by-Kansas out of conference opponent. I'd like to
see UVa keep Tech, one easy out of conference game, and one difficult
out of conference game (i.e. a ranked team). That kind of schedule would
give UVa 4-5 ranked opponents every year. (As it is, UVa still plays
4 ranked teams this season, but only one is ranked in the Top 10.)

Jay
-- 

*********************************
  John R. Boisseau ("Jay")       
  Department of Astronomy        
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Tie-breaker??
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:58:01 GMT

In article <Vk3-T_A@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:

   >The official Big Ten tie-breaking rules were posted a
   >few weeks ago.  Could someone repost them?

   >thanks,
   >John Hajel

The only tie in the Big Ten will be for 2nd place.  Michigan will roll.
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From: duane@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Duane Cripe)
Subject: Purdue to be in 10th place in the Big Ten??
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:09:08 GMT

After hearing that Purdue lost to Northwestern last weekend (which induced
major depression and hopelessness), coupled with Wisconsin beating OSU, and 
Minnesota beating Illinois I have a big fear this may be the first year 
(that I know of) Purdue could actually end up 10th in the Big Ten.  This is 
one claim I hope doesn't come to fruition.....
-- 
Duane Cripe
Austin, TX
From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Football Player Shot
Date: 5 Oct 1992 07:42:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <92276.112042JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Amazingly enough, a prospective recruit who was visiting practice when
>the player got shot said later that he still intends to sign w/ USC.
>
>
>Go figure.
>
>
>Jim Thomas

Yes and even with the riots and the recent problems with the economy, the
total enrollment has also increased from last year.

Fight On,
Valdis
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 2-point conversion (was: Re: UW - OSU)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:55:26 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Oct5.232727.23188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Situation: Down by ten, the Buckeyes score a touchdown to bring the score to 
>           20-16 with about 4:30 remaining.
>
>Question: Should they go for two so that a field goal will win?  Or do they go 
>          for one and thus need another TD to win?
>
>The solution: Go for one.  Get the sure(r) thing and increase the chances of
>              not worse than a tie.  Send the message to both teams that you
>              fully intend to win and are willing to go for the TD to do it.
>
>The rub: The kicker gets roughed on the extra point.  Taking hte penalty will 
>         negate the kick but allow you to go for two from closer in.

Ah, I neglected the key feature of the situation.

>The new question: Do you do it?
>
>Cooper's answer: Yes.  If you can't put it in from a yard and a half out you 
>                 shouldn't win anyhow.

A rationalization I sometimes fall prey to.

>The result: Cooper goes for the two pointer and the Buckeyes fail to make it.  
>            Now they are psychologically down *and* they have lost a point that
>            they had already earned.
>
>The lesson: The old addage "Don't take points off the board" comes to mind.  
>            But, either strategy would have been defensable.  The inconsistant 
>            strategy shows a weakness of leadership to the players.  When 
>            Cooper decided to go for one, he should have accepted the 
>            successful result.  If he was going to reconsider, he should have 
>            gone for two in the first place.  The penalty should not have made 
>            his descision.  Certainly he wasn't thinking, "I'll go for one and 
>            then if they rough my kicker, I'll go for two from closer in."  And
>            at this level, that kind of indesiveness will cost a coach dearly.

Excellent analysis, Pat.  I hope you'll keep me in mind when you hire a
new defensive coordinator.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: CSU BEATS LSU!!!
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:52:57 -0700

> A choir of angels sings "Hallelujah!" 
> 
> Colorado State got its first win, and at LSU, no less!
> -- 


Now please, beat UTAH this week at home.
                    
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.211039.7122@walter.bellcore.com>, doel@bbq.bae.bellcore.com (Mike Doel) writes:
|> In article <Bv1rtA.42C@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
|> writes:
|> 
|> > 	I've seen all of the Big Ten bands in action at one time or
|> > 	another, and I have to confess that there isn't a hell of a lot
|> > 	of difference between them.  OSU's is a bit different because
|> > 	it's all horns, correct?
|> 
|> OSU's band is considered all-brass, though there are of course percussion
|> instruments involved.  It's primarily for volume as I understand it.  It
|> takes a heck of alot of flutes to reach the upper deck.  Since the woodwinds
|> would just be drowned out by the brass, OSU just eliminates them.
|> 
|> To me, there are two things about OSU's band which set it apart from most
|> college bands:
|> 
|>     1. they memorize their music
|>     2. all of the instruments are the same color
|> 
|> There's really no reason why any school can't do this.  I just think it
|> shows poor preparation when a band uses sheet music.  Also, I think it
|> looks poor when you have sousaphones (for example) of different colors
|> (some gold, some silver).
|> 
Well, Rice (for one) CAN'T run a marching band like that one.  With only
2400 undergraduates at a tough school, there is no way they could get a decent
sized band together if it meant practicing long enough to memorize all the
music and do precision marching.  (Not to mention that there aren't that many
people here who would be interested in it even if they DID have the time...)
So instead we practice 3 hours a week (4-5 on gamedays) and just go out and
give an entertaining show.

BTW -- the Stanford band may have gotten booed by a whole crowd, but have they
ever managed to be the targets of a riot?  Then again, antagonizing an Aggie
crowd on a day when the Aggies lose is a bad idea.  (Of course, the Aggie riot
is also ancient history... the MOB hasn't done anything nearly as interesting
in ages...)

Tom Scudder
tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
eaTme
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl Three-peat
Keywords: Huskies Rose Bowl
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:45:58 GMT

In article <3109@voodoo.UUCP> stu@voodoo.boeing.com writes:
> Let's make things clear about Rose Bowl records.  While it may be true
> that there have been teams that have gone to three consecutive Rose
> Bowls, *NO* team has ever *WON* three Rose Bowls in a row!!!

This is true, but this statistic is a little misleading.  For a
long time, there was a rule that disallowed each Rose Bowl team
from even attending the Rose Bowl the next year.

There had been teams potentially capable of pulling the stunt,
outright winners of their conference, ... not permitted to attend
by that rule.
--
Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Dreamers!!  (was Re: Miami, Washington, Florida State)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:44:33 GMT

In article <91134@netnews.upenn.edu> taoc@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao) writes:
>No need to wuch fashington.  Miami will be blown away by Fashington, which 
>will be in turn blown away by Florida State.
>
>And you Huskies dead meat will be served with white wine by the Wolverines
>on Jan. 1.

  DREAMING!!!!

>*****
>
>My prediction this week:
>
>Florida State 31
>Miami (FL)    14

  Although this would be a nice score, you're still dreaming.  The game is
  going to be much closer.


-Behzad
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Wisconsin Woof-o-rama
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:59:20 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


  Yes, the inevitable finally happened when Bucky's boys overcame the not- 
  so-mighty Buckeyes 20-16 Saturday. And it wasn't a fluke. UW pretty much
  controlled the offensive and defensive lines all day. How does 35 carries
  for 45 yards sound for the vaunted OSU backfield.

  OSU's first TD was on an 8-yard drive. TD #2 came when UW was basically in
  the prevent and let OSU drive to take time off the clock. Their field goal
  was on a 7-play, 16-yard drive. Meanwhile, UW's TD drives were 13-play,
  78 yards and 11-play, 58 yards. The field goals were set up on an 8-play,
  53-yard drive and a 16-play, 66-yard drive which ate up the clock in the
  fourth quarter.

  The win accomplished two goals Barry Alvarez was looking for this season.
  A major upset and national respect. The goal of a bowl bid hasn't been
  accomplished yet, but this game could go a long way in securing one. Also,
  Saturday was payback day. After a play last year, OSU's Greg Smith told UW
  OL Joe Panos, "You guys really suck and that's why you go to Wisconsin."
  Between comments like that and other general trash talking, UW was looking
  to get even.

  Except for the late hit by Manley (on Stablein) after a TD, this game was a
  joy to watch. UW is just bound to get better and better as the entire     
  freshman class is being redshirted with the exception of Darrell Bevell and
  tailback Ron Johnson. 

  Far from the last UW woofing, contrary to what some red-faced (or should I
  say cardinal as in Badger cardinal-and-white) Buckeye fans might think, ...

  --salty
From: ds4@north3.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Poll Injustice (was: WEEKLY TOP 25)
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:59:36 GMT

In article <92279.182125RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> The reason for the big drop in the polls for FSU is because neither team
|> played very well.  I watched the game.  If it was a well-played game and came
|> down to the wire, then FSU would have stayed No. 3.  If it was well-played,
|> Miami would've probably moved back up to No. 1.  But most experts kept their

Rob, are you upset that Notre Dame lost, and taking it out on Miami?
Well, in answer to your statement "...neither team played very well.", I am
attaching what I wrote in another post:

I am not picking on you Steve, but alot of people have been calling the 'game'
sloppy, and filled with mistakes.  That is looking at the game from an offensive
point of view.  I love defense and loved that game.  Both defenses were
dominating the whole game, with Miami's a little stronger (allowed only 3 field
goals, one of which was set up by a return.  Had to put that one in :) ) The
defenses were overpowering and caused the offenses on both teams to do things
which resulted in 'mistakes'; such as, throwing to soon because two 270 pound
linemen are in the QB's face.  If the game turned out to be 42 - 35 offensive
war (i.e. who can out score the other...the Bills :) ), no one would be
saying how slopy the game was.  But in my opinion the game would be just as
sloppy, because the D's did not do what they were supposed to be
doing....stopping the other team.

|> votes for Washington, only a few switched.  If Miami plays the way they played
|> against FSU this week against Penn State, then Penn State will have a field
|> day...another crushing score at home.  Which I'm hoping for!  Keep rolling

If Miami plays agianst Penn State like they did FSU, they will not score above 6
points.  The offense will score more than 20 points against the weaker than FSU
defense of Penn State.

|> over and playing dead, Miami.  Don't wake them up.  I want to see the 'Canes
|> leaving the Happy Valley embarrassed!!!!!!!!!!!   -Rob

-ds4