HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Want info on HUFFING
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:15:06 GMT

In article ePa3wB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us, danmar@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Daniel Marsalone) writes:
>   I saw Maury Povich the other day and he had a show on huffing.
>I had never heard of it before and the show was really lame. The just 
>said that huffing was bad and "Say no to Huffing
>   
>     I want to know what the effects and side effects are.
> For those of you like me who don't know what huffing is, it is inhaling 
>natural gas (propane, butane, etc.) to get high. 
>    
>    Does anyone out there have any experience doing this stuff?
>  
>    On of the kids on the show blew himself up. He and a group of friends 
>were huffing (inhaling natural gas) in his basement, and then he lit a 
>cigarette and the place exploded and het caught on fire. The guy's face 
>and hands were melted. His legs were blown off and he had 97% of his body 
>burned. I know that one of his friends was 50% burned. I don't know about 
>the rest. 
>   
>
>Daniel Marsalone


Where I grew up, "huff" was a generic slang term synonymous
with "sniff"--that is, it could refer to anything from glue to
ligher fluid to carbona, all of which were huffed by kids I
grew up with.  All very gross, that's for sure.  And as far as
I know, all can cause brain damage (can anyone confirm this?).
I never knew anyone who sniffed natural gas, though there was
a punk band in the 80's called Gas Huffer, wasn't there?

   --Dave.

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From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:24:27 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com



Must have hit "f" instead of "F" and lost the lead-in comments.

Someone had a friend who had sucked it from the tank zillions of 
times.



WHERE DID HE GET THE TANK????????????????????????????

I think that's the $64,000 question.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tnickles@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Tim Nickles)
Subject: Re: rules for LSD
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:42:09 GMT

darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher) writes:
> > 
> > I first tried LSD almost five years ago...and I remember I was told of a few
> > simple rules to remember when your high. I admit it is possible one could get
B
> The rules I heard were:
>     1) You can not breath under water.
>     2) You can not fly.
>     3) YOU ARE NOT GOD
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> All are good rules to keep in the forefront of your mind when 
> "Visiting Alice."


Wait a second here, Isn't this a hopelessly monotheistic rule?!?
We are all gods of our own reality, nobody else can create it for us.

tim
From: jrd@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (J.R. Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Absinthe
Keywords: absinthe wormwood Pernod
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:29:46 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

The question was recently raised here on The Enclave of what 
exactly is the main psychoactive agent in wormwood -- you know,
the one in "real" absinthe that feels so good while rotting your
brain?

Also, Pernod is purported to be absinthe without the wormwood.
(It's an unimpressive drink, IMHO.)  True, or not true?

Any info on absinthe or an absinthe FAQ would be appreciated.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Julie Petersen)
Subject: Re: God and alcohol
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:10:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.201947.26772@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>It all depends on the person, but at least "God" is free. Nobody sole
>their house to buy more "God" for their dependency.

Oh yeah? How about old (and young) people who send thousands of
dollars to fancy tv preachers while they can barely pay rent on
a small dirty apartment?

Or people who basically give away their entire life waiting to
be rewarded with wealth and happiness in 'heaven'?

"God" may be free, but religion isn't, and the two tend to go
hand in hand for the majority.

Jim
petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: War on Drugs Project
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:47:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.220627.16239@midway.uchicago.edu> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>A recent issue of the journal, _Social Justice: A Journal of Crime, Conflict,
>and World Order_, was dedicated to commentary and critiques of the War on
>Drugs.  At least one of the articles is exactly what you want, IMHO.  This
>issue isn't on the newstands any more, but you can order it for $10 plus 2
>for s&h from Social Justice PO Box 40601, San Francisco, California 94140.
>There are some really really good analyses of the WOD in this issue and I
>recommend it for everyone.
 
Oops, I forgot to mention it was Vol 18(4) Winter 1991.
From: mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J Ranum)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: TOMATOES!
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:54:31 GMT
Reply-To: mjr@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.

>>>	One thing that's interesting to note is that you used to (back
>>>in the 13th century) be able to grow tomatoes in Paris, France, in
>>>November. It was a lot warmer back then. Then there was this "mini ice
>>
>>Noone grew tomatoes in Europe in the 13th century.  They were thought
>>poisonous.  Europeans didn't start eating tomatoes to any great extent
>>until the late 18th century.
>>-- 
>No one grew tomatoes in Europe at all until the 16th century--they are
>native to the Americas.

	
	I was WRONG! It was cucumbers. My wife's the gardener and I got
my veggies MIXED UP! (actually, aren't tomatoes fruit? but anyhow...)

	The point was that there was a time when a large global cooling
took place. That's when Greenland became ungreen as well, I believe.
Never mind. It's all flat.

mjr.
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From: traite@eros.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.magick,alt.pagan,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Looking for info on abortifacents
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:53:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Statistical & Data Analysis Center, Harvard University

In article <C0Jpwv.L8L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan) writes:
>
>	I need any possible information about publicly available abortifacents
>(miscarriage-inducing substances).  Both chemical and herbal substances are
>of extreme interest at this point.  Any information you can give would be
>most helpful.  Feel free to reply via email.
>
>	No jokes or flames, please.  This is a situation in which the
>choice lies between the death of a fetus and the death of my wife.
>
>	Thank You.
>						Sean Cannon


There are several herbs/ chemicals that in large enough doses will
cause an abortion. Unfortunately, their use also carries the very real
possiblity killing your wife as well especially if you  are not
experienced in their use.  What's the problem with a medical abortion? It's
certainly safer and will be a lot less risky.

My Best and Blessings.
___
Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
Statistical Programmer                   |
SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |

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From: mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J. Ranum)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:52:07 GMT
Reply-To: mjr@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.

>>So is the greenhouse effect. 
>
>Of course the greenhouse effect exists. If it didn't, the world would be
>a mighty cold place. The greenhouse effect is a perfectly normal
>consequence of the fact that our atmosphere contains gases (like CO2) that
>prevent the escape of all radiated heat from the earth.

	One thing that's interesting to note is that you used to (back
in the 13th century) be able to grow tomatoes in Paris, France, in
November. It was a lot warmer back then. Then there was this "mini ice
age" from which temperatures have never recovered. Since the industrial
revolution hadn't taken place yet, we cannot, unfortunately, blame the
petro industries, or amazonian rain forest depletion, or whathaveyou.
If earth's average global temperature rises somewhat over the next N
years, is it "global warming" or is it a global recovery from the
mini ice age?  If it drops, is that also directly the fault of the
industrial revolution - if so, why did it happen before?

	Scientists are just ignorant shamen scratching on the surface
of a very large and complex system they aren't capable of beginning to
understand.

>>Is the earth FLAT, too???
>
>This is not a politically correct assertion. Not yet, anyway.

	Wait for it. The round earth theory was (ignoring Ptolemy) a
product of Dead White European Males. As such it is suspect.

mjr.
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:13:45 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>Ed Sanders, a former member of the Fugs, wrote a book called "The Family",
>>which is probably now out of print.  He took a far different research route
>>than Bugliosi did in "Helter Skelter".  Besides doing acid, he discovered
>>that they were into drinking beverages made from all kinds of interesting
>>roots that they found in the desert.  They also hung around with all kinds
>>of interesting satanic cult types, and the Process Church.
>>
>>Whatever it was that they were drinking ( I can't remember now ) did a pretty
>>good job of cooking their brains.  The LSD was just dessert.
>>
>I started reading _The Family_ a little while ago. I got about halfway
>through it before I got bored and gave up (the middle is just a big long
>story about all the people they started killing). I was amazed by all the
>people the Manson gang associated with (celebrities and the like..Brian
>Wilson of the Beach Boys let Manson practically take over his house for a
>while). Anyone, this isn't really about drugs so I'll stop rambling..but the
>book is interesting for the most part, if you want to learn a little about
>Manson.

If you want another perspective on Manson, I'd suggest reading "Manson In
His Own Words" (Nuel Emmons, Amok Press, CA, about $13-14 I'll post the
address if there's interest; don't know offhand), written by a cellmate,
and written in first-person. A very interesting book. 

Manson does not receive any of the profits of the book
-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Why Marines like LSD...
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:25:42 GMT

In article <malcolm.726353802@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>For that matter, the idea of anyone willing to commit to the military 
>doing LSD sorta scares me.
>

Why?

-Howard



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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:03:12 GMT
X-Posted-From: vango.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1993Jan3.130252.46058@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, lerner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> Our school recently decided that we will have a drug dog.  Supposedly,
> it can smell just about anything, no matter how much you cover it up.
> I seriously doubt this.  I have heard that coffee will hide the smell,
> and I am wondering if this is true.  Also, what else will hide things
> from the dog?
Consider raising the background level-- soak all the dorm's carpeting, drapery
and upholstery in bongwater.  :-0


> 
> By the way, did you know that killing a drug dog is punnishable in the
> same way as killing a police officer (I mean it has the same
> penalties, but my editor screws up if I back up too much )?

I'm having a hard time w/ this. Here in Illinois, if you kill a cop, you
generally get sentenced to death or life w/o parole. I would expect Kansas to 
have similar provisions-- at least life without parole-- for cop killers.
Life w/o parole for shooting a dog? no way. (or could I be reality-impaired on
this subject?)

In-16-days-the-nightmare-ends.max  
(quackquackquack)





Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours... let the cascade begin
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:47:37 GMT


  One thing I liked about the show was that I finally learned where
  the age old "jumping out of windows cause they though they could
  fly" came from.  It`s one of the most classic propoganda argument 
  against acid, and it seems to mostly have happened to people who
  were given the drug without knowing it, by the government no less.

  Overall I thought the show was reasonably good, not too biased.  
  It seemed strange to me how they were showing footages of some 
  raves (which looked like a hell of a lot of fun) while talking  
  about how awful and scary they are.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:44:00 GMT

"amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>tripping.  This doesn't make sense toome.  If I take a bath, my skin
>soaks up water, but it doesn't allow water to pass through my skin and
>into my blood stream.

   I can't give you a scientific word, but 100 mcg of water absorbed through
the skin will hardly kill you, whereas 100 mcg of LSD will most probably
make you trip. The skin is not a 100% efficient barrier against foreign
substances - or bacteria, for that matter. I'd guess that if you rubbed a
solution concentrated enough on your skin long enough, some of the substance
would eventually end up in your bloodstream.
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From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: You idiots (Was Bong water etc)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:38:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls4.cs.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan7.150708.28789@starbase.trincoll.edu>,  () writes:
|> Bong water reeks, and will only attract attention. Always change your water
|> on a regular basis. I had two friends in college who would add a bit of
|> water on occasion, only because they never changed it and some evaporated.
|> We're talking syrup. Gross to smoke through, and a real ticking bomb. 
|> Spill it and you're fucked for days.

Not only that, but it sounds like a good breeding place for
upper respiratory infection bugs to hang out...

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours
Keywords: objective, better than expected
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:20:47 GMT

sloth@hardy.u.washington.edu () writes:

>	Hmmm.  Overall, I'd say it was way better than I'd expected it to be
>in terms of presenting an objective opinion, i.e. placing emphasis on LSD's
>*not* damaging chromasomes, etc.  Worth staying up for...

I wish they'd mentioned that the doctor who originally "discovered" the 
connection to chromosone damage was arrested and discredited last year
over his using his own sperm in his fertily clinics. The guy fathered 
something like 40 or more kids in a small town area and didn't tell anyone 
he was using his own sperm - in some cases he even dumped sperm from the
husband of couples seeking help in getting pregnant. I think that was 
even him in the video clips they showed of the "research". 

 - malcolm  

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: kennedj@seq.uncwil.edu (kennedy j shane)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:05:35 GMT

an4929@anon.penet.fi (gonzo) writes:

>I was actually quite impressed with the program for the most part.
>If I had  to score it, I would give it a 7.4.  And, the overall
>contest score would be LSD 4, DEA 0.


I wouldn't score it so high, I was looking for more scientific facts.
All the interviews and opinions were interesting though.  I did like
the news about the chromosomes not breaking up.  

THe kid with the ten-year sentence was bullshit.  He'll never serve 
over a year in our crowded prisions for a non-violent crime.  Sounded
like a big scare to me.  The part about doing time for the weight
of the paper you were busted with was kindof shitty also.  I know
a dude who was selling it on sugar cubes.  He'd really get screwed.

--
From: rfritz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ryan E. Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 48 Hours... let the cascade begin
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:55:46 GMT
Organization: Psychotic Computer Geeks, Inc.

In alt.drugs, mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) spewed:

>Well, the show is finishing up right now and I must say that it has been 
>interesting.  One thing that I realize is that alt.drugs gives people the
>pure "pro drugs" attitute whereas the media gives the pure "anti drugs"
>attitude to the public.  Somewhere inbetween lies the truth.

Well, you can only expect an all anti-drug attitude from 48 Hours.  After
all, it is illegal.

>The story's showing people who actually are still tripping after 15 years were
>accurate.  These people are* heavy users, but friends of mine report the same
>effects after only 100 doses (so far).

I couldn't believe the one guy who said he had done 500 hits between 14 and
18.  That's sounds like a whole hell of a lot!!  500 of _anything_ sounds
dangerous.

>There are* consequences for taking any* recreational pharmacological agent, and
>acid is not a lightweight in the genre... so just be careful.

There's also changes you take when you cross an intersection.  It's up to
each person to decide where to draw the line.

Overall I thought the report was pretty good.  I learned a little.  I wish
they would have talked about bad trips a little more, though... maybe some
more details on the trips some of the people had.  I found it rather
disgusting that the kid being charged with drug dealing was going to be
facing so much time... and then they let others with more serious crimes get
less time than that.  I guess it just shows once again that there are still
quite a few problems with our justice system.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD 
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:09:13 GMT

In article <726785207snz@spliff.demon.co.uk> journeyman@spliff.demon.co.uk writes:
>That reminds me - didn't Aldous Huxley take LSD-25 with the aid of an
>eye dropper on his death bed, could be another urban myth :-(

(not really related to this post, but your use of the -25 suffix reminded me
of a question I had about the show)

In the interview with Ken Kesey he said he had done everything, including
LSD-25 and LSD-6. Huh? I believe I'm correct that the -25 means that LSD
was the 25th in the series of lysergic acid derivatives that Hofmann (sp?)
synthesized. If that's true, what is LSD-6? Or am I completely wrong here...

--Erik

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From: epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Whats wrong with a drug dog?(was RE:Drug dog()
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:14:35 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Who the fuck cares if there's a drug dog at LHS.
Lets look at the consequenses assuming noone fucks around
with the dog as is being generally suggested here.

a) there will be no(or less) drugs at school.

b) It will be less easy to get high at school.

c) It will be very hard to distribute drugs at school.


So what some of you netters are suggesting are ways to impair
that innocent dogs senses just so that a b and c dont become true.
Look at yourselves folk, do drugs really belong in school even if youre
pro-legalization.  Oh, and BTW, LHS is Lawrence(,KS) HIGH SCHOOL.


-- 

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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:57:07 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: LSD

bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott) writes:
>>  USE: In biochemical research as an antagonist to serotonin.
>>Has been used experimentally as adjunct in study and treat-
>>ment of mental disorders.
>
>Does the Merck really say this?  This has been kind of bugging me since
>you posted it.  LSD can act as a 5-HT2 antagonist, but also as a
>5-HT1A, 1C, and 2 agonist. 2 and 1c agonism seems particularly important
>for hallucinogenic activity.

Well, I could have typoed antagonist for agonist, but it says something
like that...  I don't have one handy right now...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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