From: pille@uni-paderborn.de (Klaus Roehler gen. Riemer)
Subject: Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:02:25 GMT

suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:

>In article <1992Apr2.191115.510@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>,
>Andreas.Bartelt@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Andreas Bartelt)
>writes:
>> tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp) writes:
>> 
>> >It is my opinion that the latest aggression of Germany against
>Turkey
>> >can be simply explained by the good-old ``divide and conquer"
>tactic,
>> >motivated by their desire to become an established world power. I
>think
>> >the whole world sees this clearly. Why do you think that Germany is
>> >singled out in their aggression against Turkey's effort to curb
>terrorism?
>> 
>> I only can tell you my personal poiny of view. And thats i see the
>Kurdish 
>> people get killed in Irak some month before and now get killed again
>in Turkey.

>	I agree with you Andreas. But there is a 'but' in a massacring case
>	of Kurds in Iraq. Yo do remember, I guess. Germany has supported Iraq
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         I think you are in a lack of information or what ???
         Germany is against any ABC-Weapons at all and I don`t like it  at all !!
         But there are many criminal businessmen ( Geld stinkt nicht)
         and the german export control lacks in personell and equipment!

>	to produce chemical/biological wapons. Those wapons have, not so many
>	years ago, been used to a total distraction of Kurds, chlidren women,
>	civialians, etc. This was an indirect crime, not smilar to that of the
>	'gassing of Jews in Europe", committed by Germany against Kurds.

>	Now I don't understand why Germany suddenlay become a humanitarian
>	nation, caring about Kurds, caring about all the minorities in the
>world??
>	This 'but' on my mind drives me crazy, I cannot get an answer, do you
>	have one?
        
        There is one thing I never understand myself too, but this is a
        part of the answer: the slow german bureaucracy, a typical example
        of german gouvermental sleeping bureaucrats are the slow reaction 
        of the gas-plant in Rabta, Lybia.   
        
>	I have now a simple question: What was your reaction to 
>	massacring of Kurds by German wapons? Did you ever think of
>	condemning Germany for the commitment of such an inhuman crime?
>	Did you ever think of organizing (or joining the existing activists) 
>	an action against that inhumanity?
>	 
        The Kurds are a minority in several countries. They have to be protected !
        The problem of all the countries with a central gouvernment for all
        their parts they get minorities wanting a separate independend state,
        even if it is to small to survive economically, e.g. Spain and the Basqs
        France and Basqs, Corse, and Bretagne,- Britain and Northern Ireland
        ...maybe Turkey and the Kurds ? 
         
             [ some stuff deleted , meaning the same as above]

>	Smilar words have been used during splitting of Yugoslavia.
>	We do all know that it was only Germany and Austria supporting, with
>	military machinery, different minorities in Yugoslavia.
>	Germany is now carrying on the same 'divide and conquer' tactics
>	in order to reach its old daydream.
       
        FLAMETHROWER ON
         I should forget any nettiquette, you polemic i*****t :-(
         No one in the EC wanted a parted Yugoslavia at all, it will not survive
         economically !  A federal State of Yugoslavia with the same rights
         for all ethnological groups living together in harmony is better for 
         Europe! Instead the Serbs ( just 30 percent of the population of
         Yugoslavia but controlling the federal army) wanting a Great Serbia
         meaning whole Yugoslavia, and parts of Hungaria and Greece !
         Sounds like Hitler 50 Years ago ! Who want to realize Hitlers 
          old daydream ?
         Keep off the Net as long as you don't like to see all sides of the
         cube !
        FLAMETHROWER OFF  
           
                 	
     
>> Maybe like the Jews some years before they get israel as an own land.
>> (And so made a part of the palaestina people homeless...) 
>> That's a circle of death and war that only can find an end when
>minorities have 
>> their rights or own land(not captured from others). 

>	After all it's very easy to cause problems,
>	however solutions are always bloodthirsty dragons.
> 
>> Bye,
>>        Andreas
>> 
>> 
>	Selam getirmisem
>	Suleyman Kondakci
> 
Bye
    Klaus
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