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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: DemoWare is a good distribution methode was Re: I found a pirate - what
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:59:12 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

> companies have not made money off of me for these titles _yet_, but
> I wouldn't have 
> even considered buying *any* of these titles if I hadn't played them first...
> 
> And the list goes on and on.  If I use something, I pay for it, if I
> don't, I don't. 
> I see no reason to waste my money (of which I have precious little)
> on some of the 
> garbage that is out there today... call it 'insurance'...

I'm much more likely to purchase programs that I've had a chance to
view as a demo like pagestream, lemmings, etc.  I certainly appreciate
the chance to view it especially since it is the case that because of
C= there are so few dealers around where you can see new hardware and
software.  Some people don't like the idea of demoware, crippleware or
whatever you call it, but I think it works and people respond to it
better than shareware or regular commercial distribution methods.
This I think is the point before people start blowing their stacks.
If you look around notice what companies do offer demo's and look at
the traffic associated with them.  Perhaps there may be some
correlation to sales in the long run.  Might make a good research
project.  (I've had some statistics work anyone interested?  I'm not
expensive.. :)
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: csg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (-~=Zaphod=~-)
Subject: Re: I found a pirate - what shall I do?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:48:01 GMT

In article <Bx9n9K.943@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>Let's talk about realism.  Do you realize how many pirates exist in the
>world?  Yes, QUITE a few.  Astonishing amounts.  Look, I hate to say it,
>but turning one in won't do a lot of good.  You could turn one in, but
>maybe somewhere in the world, someone will say "I want a copy of that
>game" and become a pirate.  -1, +1.  They sorta cancel out.  Now maybe
>the answer to anti-piracy is stricter punishment.  Heavy copy protection
>is out of the question, since the majority of the computer users despise
>heavy copy protection.  I don't have the answers.  I just know that
>turning in these people isn't going to solve anything.  Thus my earlier
>statement: It will only hurt the pirate, and it won't help anyone.

Piracy has got a grip too much in the computer industry, i know loads of 
amiga owners, the only reason why most of them won't get a Super Nintendo
is that they can't copy the games. Another thing about piracy is that is
it so easy, just imagine you've waited for Andrew Braybrooks latest block
buster, its finished, but it's not going to be released for another month,
and your friend comes round to your house with a completely deprotected
version, and for the price of a blank disk you can have a copy. Anyone
who says they would not have a copy is:

a..Telling lies.
b..Out of disks.
or
c..Over 35 years old. :)

Its no justification for it, but its the real world. I've never met any
computer owner who has not pirated a game.

As for protecting games, forget it, even the most heavily protected games
(F19 sealth fighter 2 disks, 1 long sector per track, and plane ID sceme)
take about 1 evening to crack - Alledgedly (sp?).

Its always gonna be here.

Sad, but true.

-Steve


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Does 399-pound A1200 have a Hard Drive ?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:50:12 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

>In article <1992Nov05.004651.10820@medsys.rn.com> wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus) writes:
>> jc@crosfield.co.uk (jerry cullingford) writes:
>> >In article <liam.08o0@durie.amigans.gen.nz> liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) writes:
>> >>    Plus, the upgrade kit for an A600 to an A600HD includes new roms, this
>> >>may be the case for the A1200.
>> 
>> >I thought that was only true for the very early 600s?
>> >-- 
>> >| Jerry Cullingford  #include <std.disclaimer> +44 442 230000 x3868|   ,-|--
>> 
>> I've asked before, and still haven't seen a good answer. Does the A600 (non
>> HD version) require a ROM change to use a hard drive? Do all of them require
>> this change, or only the very early ones?

>Most units would require a ROM upgrade.

Is this true on the a1200 too?

Martin
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: HAM-8 Pics Uploaded
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:27:09 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I uploaded vallejo2.lha which contains 4 Boris Vallejo pics
in HAM-8 mode, for use with 800X600Xham8 and 640X480Xham8 screens.
They are at:
amiga.archive.umich.edu in /incoming
and at
hubcap.clemson.edu in /pub/amiga/incoming/graphics

-Roger
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bix: ruzun
NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A3000 sale - what happens after October?
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:08:04 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jamie Krutz (Jamie_Krutz@a68k.denver.CO.US) wrote:
>                     Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca writes:
> >   Jeez! So much for my $5000 investment. Looks like buying high-end
> Amigas
> >is a financial disaster.
>
> Computers aren't investments in the "buy it and it will appreciate in
> value" sense.  Not Amigas, not Macs, not clones (have you watched how far
> clones have come down in price in the last two years?) not workstations.
    No, computers are investments in the sense of 'look at this 4 year old
$50,000 Unix box I just bought for $25'.
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel
From: stigove@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Ove Johnsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: A600 - SCSI?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:41:54 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Does anybody know if there is such a thing as an SCSI controller
for the A600 yet??


Please send mail.


Stig Ove Johnsen

stigove@lise.unit.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:46:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.171329.8056@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
writes:

>All right, enough about detachable keyboards...
>What I want to know is if you have to buy a new
>monitor for the A1200 to use the new graphics
>modes, whatever they are...

To take full advantage of the AGA chipset, you will need a monitor with
multiscanning capabilities.

>I've a choice of spending $1100 to upgrade
>my A500 with the GVP 530 Turbo with 120 MB HD
>or waiting to see what the A1200 comes out with
>(hd, ram, price).  If I have to buy a new monitor
>it'll definitely swing me towards the GVP.

I'd urge you to go with the A1200, as it offers increased graphics
capabilities, a flicker-free display, a PCMCIA card slot, a 32-bit CPU
expansion slot, and an '020 processor for about the price of the GVP
accelerator. These features may not seem as essential now, but they
guarantee longevity, which the accelerator does not. Multisync monitors
for your purposes (productivity etc.) are priced comparably with the
RGB variants, so this is less of a concern than you might believe.

>I'm into word processing, databases, spreadsheets, and maybe scenery
>(after I get the accelerator) and maybe cheap video editing
>like using Video Director and video clip art of the
>DPaint resolution. So is it really important to
>get the AGA chip set for what I want to do?

All of these applications are perfect candidates for increased colour and
especially resolution... once you have a 640 x 480 display, there's no
going back. 

>My husband says to get the GVP, but my coworker said
>to wait for the A1200.

I'll pitch in for the A1200 as well. If you need extra speed, '030 and
'040 accelerators will be forthcoming and more cost-effective than their
A500 counterparts. You won't regret it :).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jamie@cdevil.unx.sas.com (James Cooper)
Subject: Re: Busy Pointer under Amigados 3.0
Originator: jamie@cdevil.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:09:26 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <7-r1#b_@rpi.edu>, pooler@cobb.cs.rpi.edu (Robert Poole) writes:
>
>Well, now that we know NickPrefs crashes horribly under Amigados 3.0, is there
>a way to change the default animated busypointer under Amigados 3.0 to
>something of the user's choosing?

There's no such thing as a "default *animated* busypointer" under 3.0.

However, if you simply wish to change the *regular* busypointer, the
Pointer Prefs program under 3.0 has a Cycle Gadget at the top left of
the screen, which cycles between "Normal" and "Busy", and lets you
change either one.

-- 
---------------
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(jamie@unx.sas.com)                             bix: jcooper

Any opinions expressed herein are mine (Mine, all mine!  Ha, ha, ha!),
and not necessarily those of my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: csg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (-~=Zaphod=~-)
Subject: Re: UK Amiga TV Ad.
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:43:42 GMT

In article <BxHwvx.v3@brunel.ac.uk> cs90rol@brunel.ac.uk (Richard O Lavey) writes:
>At last ! A semi-decent UK TV ad for the Amiga !
>
>Yes, your eyes are not deceiving you ! Commodore started showing a new ad last weekend (7/8 Nov). For out overseas viewers, it goes something like this...
>
>Opening scene...An orange ball appears hovering above the ground and a "Terminator" figure materialises from it (rip off of "The Terminator"). Our Terminator advances forward, looking for his target - cue scene change to our hero, the Amiga User. We see a be-specacled dweeb sitting in front of an A600. First, he uses an Art package and we see the over-layed legend "Better Graphics". Then a music package with the legend "Better Sound".
>
>Cue Terminator putting his hand through the door to out heros room and entering menacingly. Our hero turns his head, and moves his hand to the joystick. He begins to zap baddies in "Another World" very proficiently. The legend "Over 3000 games" is overlayed on screen. The Terminator gulps, looks nervous, and we see the action "Exit" appear on his Head-Up-Display. He promptly de-materialises and the day is Won.
>
>We get the end logo "Amiga Computers" and a catch-phrase which I can't remember (something like "Can you Handle It ?").

Yeah, the terminator bit is quite smart, then it cuts to a really crappy music
program to show of the amiga's sound capability, something like deluxe music
(or whatever) in lo-res, and some 'pingy' little tunes.

Should have stuck Xenon 2 music on or summat instead.



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From: shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga as a debugging machine: BLECH
Keywords: coredump, guru
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:51:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxMqDG.8Ju
Organization: Vallen Software

In article <1992Nov12.142819.9665@ifi.unizh.ch> matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:
>In article <1953@lysator.liu.se> marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
>>Wouldn't you like the computer to continue working and then let the user
>>decide if he/she wants to reset?
>
>Thats the suspend requester. Its your choise to suspend or reset.

Guess what.  The Amiga doesn't always have that requester.  Sometimes it
skips right to the guru.  And it seems the Guru is useless.  So I get
8000 0001, or something like that which is a memory allocation error.
Ok, I know memory is screwed somewhere in my program.  How the hell does
this aid me in debugging?  It doesn't.  And the "Task" pointer in the
guru alert can't be helpful, can it?  It jus tells you the location in
memory of your program.. big deal.

IMO, debugging on the Amiga is like trying to port XWindows to the Apple
II.  cpr (a SAS/C debugging tool) still is shoddy and ineffective.  I
thought they'd spice it up a lot from v5.01 to v5.10b, but I was rather
disappointed.

Basically, I'm extremely pissed off because one of my C programs has a
SERIOUS bug that Amiga debuggers can't nail.  No info WHATSOEVER on
what's causing the crash.  All I know is that a call to free() was
crashing.  So I took it to the UNIX and finally I got some decent info.
Something like.. attempt to free memory not in heap, bad zone, IOT trap.
Well, there's SOME info, but it doesn't make too much sense to me.  My
point is, from what I've seen and used, Amiga is feeble for debugging
and it's depressing.  Now.. if someone could show me some NICE debugging
utils for the Amiga, I'd be QUITE grateful.  BTW, my machine is an
A3000-25.  If I have to take my source code to another machine/OS just
to debug, that's pretty sad.

(side note: the A3000 has an MMU.  doesn't this entitle me to memory
protection and/or blocking crashes?)

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: Re: FEDERATION AGAINST STEFAN BOBERG (& other pirate stuff)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:34:43 GMT

eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

>In article <BxIAnw.78I@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

> > Note that this is the "slogan" used by many cracking groups, such as
> > Quartex.  They ENCOURAGE you to buy the game after you play it.  I
> > suppose their philosophy is that you should get a chance to see what
> > you're paying for.

>Nope, their philosophy is CYA (Cover You Ass).  They seem to think that they'll be
>in less trouble if they get caught, with a slogan like that.  BTW, it's a LONG
>time since Quartex ever wrote that...  But other groups are doing it.

Nope, try again. It's because a lot of the games appearing now are being written
by crews, or people that were once in a crew. It's a different thing when your
friend (ie people you know) are gettign hurt, etc..)
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From: cs922051@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTOPHER W. KAWCHUK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AMIGA STINKS
Summary: Reply to some idiot on the net.
Keywords: fools flames no-brains
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:12:51 GMT
Followup-To: INFINITY.92Nov12122239
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada

In article <INFINITY.92Nov12122239@pink.iesd.auc.dk> infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann) writes:
>
>I FUCKING HATE AMIGAS!!!
>ALL AMIGA OWNERS SHOULD BE KILLED

Why? Just because we have one of the most amazing machines? Are you jealous?
Are you above the age of 5? Do you have a life?
 
- Chris.

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Flames > NIL:
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A1200 IS THERE !!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:59:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: contessa.mwm.2jhb
Distribution: world
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52

In <OD.6badnetOA92-901-302p0_52d547b3@piraya.bad.se>, Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) wrote:
> > I called one of my aquaintences at GVP today and told him that people
> > would like to see a 68030 (ec030?) at 25/33/40 mHz and 8megs of ram on
> > a card that fits into the 1200's trapdoor.  He said that he would pass
> > the idea on up to R&D.
> 
> Good idea. However, the A1200 has the address space 600000-9FFFFF, which is 
> the upper 4Mb of a normal 8Mb expansion at 200000, reserved for PCMCIA use. 
> You cannot but normal DRAM there, I presume. Of course, you could probably 
> squeeze in the extra 4Mb somewhere else, you have 1.8Mb available at C00000, 
> for starters.

As other will undoubtedly point out, the 030 on the card has a 32-bit
address space, so you can put RAM in places outside the 16MBs
addressable by the EC020.

Also, I believe that you can use the upper 4MB that's "reserved for
PCMCIA use" for autoconfig RAM; you just can't plug a PCMCIA card in
at the same time. Not sure what happens if you try to do both.

	<mike
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A1200 and Amiga owners
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 20:16:06 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> OK, quick question.  WHAT's the difference between the 68EC020 and the 68020?

The 68EC020 can address only 24-bits of address space, i.e 16Mb of memory.

> Are they the same or not?  Performance?

There's no performance difference. The address range is all that differs. 
Dropping 8 address lines allows for a much cheaper chip package to be used.

                        _       .    __
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 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS versions
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 20:26:28 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> AmigaOS 2.1 and 3.0 are exactly the same, too, for most intents and purposes
> except 3.0 supports the new AGA chipset in the 1200 and 4000.  If you hear
> one talking about 2.1 or 3.0, you can assume that they're interchangable,
> unless the AGA chipset is mentioned.

Not. Release3 has *many* more features than just AGA support! How about DC-
filesystems (Directory Caching) (level 4 and 5 DOS partiations), support for 
DataTypes with MultiView that supports AmigaGuide documentation files, 
enhanched monitors with extended A2024 support, and loads of other things that 
are not in the Release2.1 OS.

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 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Mike Sinz's tests? (was Re: Speeding up the A4000?)
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 17:24:19 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> NOW comes the tricky part... you have a chip in front of you that's
> RATED at 25Mhz. And you NEED you're data to be accurate. No glitches,
> no dropped bits, no false passes through logic gates... But a half
> a million dweebs on the net know better than the company producing them.
> They say you can over-clock it to 28Mhz.

It's all really simple. The chip is able to handle X MHz. Motorola has tested 
it at 25MHz, and it worked. They have not tested it at 28MHz, because they do 
not sell 28MHz chips, so there wouldn't be much point in doing that. Now, if 
the chip passed the test, X is higher than 25MHz for almost all of these chips 
(keep in mind that Motorola of course strives to keep the numbers of CPUs that 
does not pass the test as low as possible). But how much higher?

If you are going to produce something in an overclocked design, you have to 
install your own screening process, where you do a similar test that Motorola 
do, only that you perhaps adjust the allowable range of certain parameters to 
lower ranges, like ambient temperature (you can install a fan or whatever, to 
control that parameter better). This process will provide you with a chip that 
is good for, say, 28MHz. Just as good as a 25MHz was for 25MHz. What you do 
with the chips that failes the test is up to you. Perhaps you have another 
product to put them in, or you can sell them to someone else at a lower price.

Just using the chips without this test is of course not safe, and this is 
probably what Mike is refering to. However, if the chips passes a screening 
test for higher speed, they have no problem at that speed, and can therefore 
be used at that faster speed. After all, it's just how Motorola does it.

> My money stays with the engineers at C=. PP&S should have disclaimed
> their fact with --- this MIGHT work.

As I said, if you do not have a screening process, that is correct. I don't 
know how PP&S handle it. Btw, a friend of mine is running a Motorola 
68882@16Mhz at a clock frequency of 48MHz (in a CSA MMR), and has done so for 
almost a year I guess, with no ill effects. Although it's the most extreme 
example I've seen so far, it suggests that most Motorola chips will run at 
faster clock speeds than speficied. Only you cannot count on it when you buy 
the part.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson)
Subject: Re: ZIP!?!?
Keywords: Looking for CLI/Shell version of ZIP
Reply-To: dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU
Organization: Department of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:14:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.203134.1929@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
> Quoth alf@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Anthony Fiarito):
> 
> ]> Does anyone know if the ZIP archiver (Not PKAZip!!) exists for the Amiga?
> ]> One that can be used in the CLI/Shell?  Thanks in advance for any info!!
> 
> Look about for a file called AMYZIP93.LHA.  I use it on a regular basis with
> the beemers in my net and have no problems.


        I just asked & then summarized this last week.  I found the
newest versions of Zip (v1.9) and UnZip (v5.0) in /pub/AMIGA at
quest.jpl.nasa.gov.

        This was passed on to me from David DeSimone (fuzzy@netcom.com)

rick
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                     Keep your eyes wide open before
                     marriage, half shut afterwards.
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