HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD for Mr. H. Anonymous - Learn from Geshu (13)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:42:40 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics


In article <92Nov12.140848est.100@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>  Learn from Geshu (XIII)
>
>is this ever going to end?  ;->  I enjoyed the first 8 or so ...

	This is true to any topic in netgroup discussion.  Anything, no
matter how good when it was brought up, decays into nonsense or
tasteless or interest-less after 8 or so rounds.

	So the moral is to know when to stop/quit (and start a new one!)

	:-)

>Did I brought up GeShu Han first?  now I feel a little bit sorry.  

	Don't be.  At least this thread did not end up in a "shame on
you"-"No, shame on YOU" shouting match.  :-)

	Or was that a "you d-fighers"-"No, you motherland-lovers"
shouting match?


	 Eddie
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where to buy a PAL video camera?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:13:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1ds215INN2jn@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST403071@brownvm.brown.edu (H. Chen) writes:
> But similar to NY city, not-so-reputable
> stores carry grey goods. So be careful.

Here is some information for video fan.
FOTO CELL 1-800-345-8892 in NYC

This store carries many PAL format video equipment, VCR, camcorder,...
Some of JVC made VCRs do have multi-format system.
HRD-671M (PAL M NTSC 4HD) $385
HRD-651M (PAL M NTSC 4HD) $360
HRD-637MS (MULTI SYS 4HD) $490

Camcorders range from $650 to $1150 are available.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie)
Subject: Soccer Asian Cup, The result of China vs Japan
Organization: University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo, JAPAN
Distribution:  soc.culture.china
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:33:40 GMT

             The dream of China team was broken again!
                      China vs Japan
                        2   :   3

Only 30 sec. after the begining of the game, 
No.12, XieYuXing scored a goal for China, 
and China team keep the socre until the end of 1st half.
Unfortunately, China team failed to catch the chance in 2nd half.
After Japan team got two goals, chance  again came to China:
the keeper of goal of japan got a red card! and the new keeper 
made a big mistake to let China get 2nd goal.
But Japan sent 3rd ball to the door of china
about 3 minutes before the end of the game, 
All the game, japan did played better than China team,
especially showed an indomitable spirit which is the lack of China team.

It seems that China team has to go a long way to become a good soccer team.
From: txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 1992 03:11:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I am afraid that no Chinese students in that department, still there of left,
would dare to say anything objective because of their own interests.  They want
to graduate and have good jobs.  All of these are impossible with out the kind
words from boss and friends of boss.

Based on this assumption, I think it is a waste of time to ask for the stories
from the other side, because it is already biased.

Tao
-- 
p
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: No subject in particular
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:13:28
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<16611@umd5.umd.edu> <1992Nov06.033255.110299@sue.cc.uregina.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca's message of Fri, 06 Nov 1992 03:32:55 GMT

From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)

HI,
	I have been in many news groups. I found this is the dirtiest group
	I have ever seen. I really don't like to see foul-mouthed people in
	this public network.

	John

You are not alone on this matter.  You probably want to forward the messages
in question to their authors and politely tell them that you are offended by
those messages and ask them to change style.  By all means, please do not
include dirty messages in your replys to the group.  If they insist, you can
write to their postmasters and you can always use filters.  Send me a message
if you need help on filters--they make wonders.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle & Editor-in Chief of People's Daily
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:44:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.223814.608073@sue.cc.uregina.ca> yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
>You did not get his message, sir. The chief editor was speaking the
>Chinese translation of Melbourne, which is Mo-er-ben. Unfortunately Mo
>looks like Hei(black). Potatoe will certainly be trapped and pronouce Mo as
>Hei, so we have Hei(black)-er-ben.
>
>Yongfei Yan
>>-- 
>>Francis H. Yu
>>Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659504, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
>>Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
>
Be kind to others, it was just an innocent error. If the Editor-in-chief
pronounced Mo-Shui(ink), I am sure he wouldn't have pronounced it as
Hei-Shui. It was just because it was a foreign name that he got an innocent
error. Maybe his eyes blinked. Dan Quale is total different story. He added
an "e" to the already correctly spelled "potato", which was not innocent,
but ignorant. Hey, I bet the Editor knows more chinese characters than you
(and me) do.

You make mistakes, do you?

Sheldon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@lark.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.160611.15496@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>Well, as I said before, this is just a bunch of accusations. I don't see
>"a theory" in Liu's article. So, what's the theory? The article is in 
>"black char. in white paper," and if "facts" have been distorted, which one
>and how? If words have been misquoted, which one? Seems to me you are "shocked
>and outraged" because of the "completely different tone" than yours, but that 
>seems to mean interpretations of facts, not the facts themselves.
>
>Steven
>-- 
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
>


	Good point!  The letter is clearly too general.  Why not give some
particular examples?  What, where or how Liu's article is wrong?  What is
the right thing?  From Liu's article, we know that Lu had purchased a gun
for quite a while.  What had been done by the local Chinese community?  How
many helping hands/hearts had touched Lu's heart?  Could the incident have
had been prevented?  I wonder how healthy the Chinese group in the UI Physics
Department is.  I am looking forward for more untold stories.


JLI
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na 
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:31:44 GMT

In article <10NOV199210144187@rosie.uh.edu> mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.134615.3437@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes...
>>In article <1992Nov6.163223.1309@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>> In article <1992Nov6.125436.3430@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>>>
>>>>  Bill Clinton is elected. However, he need to wait for another two
>>>>months before he can take the job. Many things could happen during
>>>>this two months time. If, say, Mr Clinton unfortunately die in an 
>>>>accidence (God bless Bill) during this period, who would be the next
>>>>US president ?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Don't you think your question is so naive ? It will be the vice president
>>> to be the new president, so it's Al Gore, not a bad choice.
>>> 
>>> Yi-Chieh
>> 
>>Not so fast. Before Clinton taking up that position, the vice president
>>is Quayle, not Gore.
>> 
> Wow, Dan, the PotatoE Man = President?  This equation sure looks funny!

hmmm, the US Senated almost impeached Johnson for being a rebel sympathier,
would impeach Dick Nixon for being a crook if Tricky Dick did not make his
timely exit, I was wondering, can they impeach the President simply
on the ground that he's too stupid?   ;->  

I guess the US constitution was quite vague on this one, so whether
the in-coming VP or the out-going VP gets the presidency could be
subject to a Supreme Court interpretation.
From: umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Lun Yuen Ngai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A relative at Baylor University
Summary: help
Keywords: help
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:54:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccu.BxInAr.KE6
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Hi everyone

Does anyone of you know a person called ZHENG GANG who had studied
Master degree at Baylor University in Texas.  If you so, please 
e-mail to me.


Bob
umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Sorry, Mr.Jaremaye Rambeau
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:32:42 GMT

In article <13NOV199217065906@elroy.uh.edu> math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
>I am lucky that I didn't apply for assistant of Holmes,who is Holmes??

Holmes? That is Fu2 Er3 Mo2 Si1.

>I also respect you.

Thank you.

>>Mr. Rambeau is certainly better than those who senselessly ordered
>>the killing of students in Tiananmen Square.
>
>Dear sir,if you want to continue this play,how about do it pravitely?
>Because,1. this net seems just recoverd from its bad mood,we don't want
>disturbe it again,right?

I believe it is our duty to remind the people what
happened in the night of 6/4/1989. We look forward,
but we must remember something was seriously wrong
and still have not been corrected. Someone is a criminal,
yet he is still holding the highest position in China.

The will of the Chinese people is still being raped.
Anything toward correcting the historical mistake
(including CMFN, even symbolically) should be encouraged.
Remember we are the people, only we the people can
defend the interests of the people. If we the people
don't say anything against the arbitary killing of
people, who will?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Halloween's Tragedy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:09:10 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1992Nov10.051043.13406@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> herbert@vast.unsw.edu.au (Herbert Chen) writes:
>
>> 
>> We have sent CND-CM a letter which is co-sign by ALL except one chinese students
>> metioned in Mr. Liu Yujian's article.  That one student also agrees with the 
>> content of our letter, but he prefer to keep his name anonymous.
>> 
>> The feeling of ALL chinese students at Dept. of Physics and Astronomy of UI can 
>> be summed into one word: OUTRAGED.
>> 
>> I think and I hope CND will carried on our letter soon.   Here is just the 
>> first paragraph of our letter:
>> 
>> "  We are deeply disturbed by Liu Yujian's article in your special HXWZ 
>> supplement.  In that article, the author distored the facts, misquoted
>> other people's words, stretched-out herasay, and, more over, made up a theory
>> out of his own speculation.
>> 
>> .........."
>
>What evidence is there to discredit the content in 
>Liu Yujian's article about Lu Gang?
>I do not personally agree to Lu's behaviour, and my 
>impression is that he is not at all popular among his
>peers, but how do I know which side to believe(you or Liu's)  ? 

I would say `some of his peers', would you?

>
>There must have been a terrible conflict in Lu's mind, and
>there ought to be an explanation to account for that.
>
>> 
>> Personally,  I am angry since most of my words quated (either with or without
>> my name on) were made out of nowhere.  Mr Liu simply fake them up.
>
>
>The task of a novelist is different from that of a journalist,
>he only writes to potray or reflect the scene, not to record
>every single fragments of details. Hence, though
>inaccruacies are not desirable, they must be tolerated.

I second.

>
>I am not on Lu's side, but I sure like to know the picture better.

Nobody dares to be on Lu's side. Aren't you afraid of being label as the
potential second Lu? But let's be brave enough to reveal the true cause
behind the tragedy.


Yongfei Yan

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From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:57:04
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: jyw@phys.psu.edu's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:34:39 GMT

    From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
    
    In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
    >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
    >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
    >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
    
    IFCSS keeps abusing the number 50K.
    I would say 50K-1, not me.
    I am sure that I am not the first one says 50K-1.

50K-1=50K
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Does US phone Equipment work in China?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:26:15
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: xue@ecs.umass.edu's message of 7 Nov 92 20:58:14 GMT

Yes, they do.  The phone systems in US and China is largely compatible
according to my experience with a phone bought here and installed in China.
Make sure that the phone has pulse dialing since touch-tone is not likely to
work at the point of connection.  The power supply could be a problem since
most AC adaptor in US are made for 110v/60Hz while you usually get 220v/50Hz
in China.  Adding a 220v/110v converter should work, but it is better to find
a phone with an AC adaptor works on 220v/50Hz.  Another problem is that
modular connectors were not common in China a few years ago and you should
make sure that you have the correct connectors ready.  The last problem is
that you may need permission from the local phone company for connecting a
"non-standard" phone.
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:12:27
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: pi@spica.bu.edu's message of 11 Nov 92 02:11:29 GMT

    From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
    
    * Since the article by Mr. Liu has made a deep impression on readers'
      mind, it might be necessary for you to give some your side stories,
      or facts. Although your letter does tell your opinions toward 
      Mr. Liu's article, it did not give a different picture of Lu Gang's
      story. It is understandable that to recall the event and the dead
      colleagues and fellows is painful. Do you have other better ways
      to clean up the impressions that the readers already have?

Telling the story is no simple task.  I think the best thing right now is for
CND to say something about this article.  Given the readership CND now enjoys
and all the interviewed people do not agree with the article on the related
parts, CND has the responsibility to say something.

    * I, as one of the readers of Mr. Liu's article, would like to know
      stories from both sides, instead of one side.

Your desire is understandable.  But I consider the protest letter from the
interviewed people valid without telling the story you want to hear.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: a joke
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:01:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.230318.15532@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu writes:
>In article <BxBGA8.InG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu  
>(achen) writes:
>> In article <Bx9uzx.25x@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
>writes:
>> >A software company's president asked the R&D director on what kind of
>> >equipment the company shoud buy. "A CPU, a monitor, a disk drive, and.."
>> >the director answered. "Do not forget a Chinese to program them!" He added.
>> 
>> 
>> Mr. Chunde Shi,
>> 
>> I don't think this joke was meant as a compliment to Chinese people.
>> The real intent of this joke is to stereotype Chinese as worms
>> who are only good at technical things.
>> 
>> In America's corporations few if any Chinese are ever promoted
>> to senior management positions.  The reason given is typically...
>> "Yes, he is excellent in the technical aspects of the job, but
>> I think he lacks the people skills and the creativity 
>> required of a manager."
>> 
>> The above joke was probably meant to maintain this type of myth
>> and make the white people justified in not promoting the Chinese
>> to senior management positions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>You misunderstood Mr. Shi's joke. If I am not wrong, Mr. Shi was teasing the US  
>companies as well as the "Chinese nerds" who are "exploited" by the US  
>capitalists. Mr. Shi does not like those Chinese people who work for American  
>capitalists because it will make the US stronger and thus China relatively  
>weaker.
>
>Carl
Can you stop guessing other's intension with ill mind attached?
I hope the "old fight" would not hinder you from making a fare judgement
on my posting, not even to say I do not enjoy being judged.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:39:29 GMT

From article <PWU.92Nov10190922@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, by pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu):
>     From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
>     I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
>     ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
>     the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
>     to look at the file beside operators of the network?
> 
> Whatever finger returns is for public consumption.  Don't pass your love
> letters through finger if you do not intend for the whole world to see.


I don't want to waste our netters' time by repeating what I have said 
more than twice, but I found I have to repeat it here again: 

What Peng Wu said above is absolutely correct.  You can put whatever you 
like in your finger record, being aware that everybody everywhere could 
see it anytime.  But, nobody else has the right to distribute it, either 
as a whole or in part, publically without your permission.  Ask people 
around if you are still not sure.

Excuse my repeat here, netters with high perception.  I hope this is my 
last time!  Take it easy.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie)
Subject: Soccer, Asian Cup, the final results
Organization: University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo, JAPAN
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:18:06 GMT

 The final results:
                  1st:   Japan
                  2sd:   Saudi Arabia
                  3rd:   China
                  4th:   UAE
 Japan vs Saudi A.: 1:0
 China vs UAE     : 5:4
 
 The game between China and UAE was interested.
 In 1st half, UAE took a goal lead, but after about 15 mitnutes,
 China tied up by Hao haitong's heading attack and the score was keeped
 until the end of 90 min.
 In PK fight, China won UAE by 4:3.
 Fu yubin, the GKer of China team played very good in the game,
 he took 2 balls of five out and scored one goal himself for China team.
 Fu was rewarded $1500 as the best player of the game.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:37:28 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <101592@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) says:
>
>In article <92316.173131SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>(deleted)
>>  Just a remind, we are Chinese, we shouldn't reveal out teeth when we
>>  lough. -)
>
>Ms. Sun, just a reminder, that is a rule for you ladies only. Please
>not extend it to us male Chinese. Thank you.
>
>
>--

Am I reading a newsgroup called 'soc.funny.Chinese'?
                 -) -) -).......................-) !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Dr. Li's proposal (Re:Anniversary for .....)
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:28:14 EST
Organization: Penn State University

 >From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
 >Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
 >Date: 7 Nov 92 03:52:39 GMT
 >
 > (deleted)
 >Agreed. After Lu Gang tragedy, I seldom flame netters on  SCC, because I
 >sometime assume some crazy netters might need some comfort rather than
 >flame. Let me suggest a SCC rule:
 >
 >If some one's SCC article makes you extremely angry, assume the author is
 >Dr. Lu in the eve of the tragedy, and try to reply to him.
 > (deleted)

     Concur.

      X Xu
From: jtee@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: CBC taping - need info on lion dance!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:49:47 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	Hi.  I'm looking for ANY information on the traditional
Chinese Lion Dance (held I guess on Ch. New year?).  The reason is
that my colleagues and I are part of a performing Lion Youth Dance Group
and we've been called up by CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) to
do a taping for part of its culture dance theme.  Our knowledge of
the acutal history and culture behind the lion dance is very limited.
We would appreciate any help.

	James Tee
	President of the CCYO Chinese Candian Youth Organisation of
		Nova Scotia