HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tgcpwd@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Wim van Dorst)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Tin and setuid (was xxxxxxx)
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:28:34 GMT
Reply-To: tgcpwd@urc.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

Kent C. Brodie (kcb@post.its.mcw.edu) wrote:
: I am using tin (PL7), and have a weird problem.  Anyone entering "vi"
: (for posting an article, for instance) goes into READ MODE.

In article <1993Jan4.201633.11910@anl433.uucp> Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp writes:
>Sounds like you are running tin setuid and it is somehow not doing
>a setuid to your login user before starting vi.

Hey, now you're starting on setuid: I have something too. In my crontab
is have lines doing:
<in the night>  /usr/lib/uucp/uucico -Snewsfeedsystem
<much later>    /usr/lib/news/unbatch
<much later>    /usr/lib/news/tin -u

/usr/lib/news/tin -u is setuid news (setgid news too). Cron is started
from root in /etc/rc (of course), and works fine for all other setuid
programs, such as uucico and unbatch.

Now when doing this tin -u command it gives several message about
setuid(real) en setgid(news) not being permitted. Of course I should 
have read the manual properly before mentioning this point, or looked
in the source (that is why I was given it, I guess), but since setuid
is brought up, I thought I might as well come forward. Since my 
newsfeed is only small, and my machine fast enough, I don't think it
is a big problem, but mentioning might help solving.

I do not have the readonly problem mentioned by Kent Brodie. I do have
tin 1.1pl6 and tin 1.1pl8, both of which are great programs (Big 
Bravo, Iain), and both show the setuid failure mentioned.

Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: tin .sig
From: mark@garden.equinox.gen.nz (Mark Tomlinson)
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:49:52 +1200
Followup-To: news.software.readers,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Organization: Not an Organization
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Steve Slade (steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com) wrote:
>I am having problems with the amiga version tin patch level 8 and signatures.

>default_sigfile=~/.Sig
>and in my home directory I have two sig files .sig .signature but I can't get
>any of them to be tacked on

You'll find the explanation in the manual. What TIN does (behaviour
inherited from UNIX), is only tack the .Sig file on the end if there is no
file called .signature. TIN does this because it expects the mail/post
program to automatically append the .signature file, so it doesn't append
it during the edit session. Simply delete the .signature file, and it
should work.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: trn newsgroup selection
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:23:00 GMT

djf@bnr.ca (Duane Fowler) writes:

)Is there any way to have trn present the groups in .newsrc for
)pre-selection, the same way it presents articles within groups?

No. There is no screen selection option for the newsgroups. 

)This would prevent having to say y or n to the many groups some people
)suscribe to.  To me, this is the main disadvantage of trn over, say,
)Xrn wherein groups are presented to you and you click on the one(s)
)you're interested in at the time.

What you need to do is to use your editor to 
1. unsubscribe from all groups (change all : to !)
2. select the groups which you want (change those ! to : )
3. delete the lines containing !.
4. optionally rearranging the groups acc. to your choice.

After all this you can use the 'o' command to select newsgroups using
patterns. For groups not in your .newsrc you can use the 'a' command.

Ask your news administrator for more help. The .newsrc after doing all
the above steps might be unsuitable for Xrn because the last time I
used it (it may be fixed now) it was still expecting all groups
(unsubscribed or subscribed) to be present in .newsrc.

And don't forget to read the manual!

)Duane

Sridhar.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp
Subject: Re: mandatory group subscription in tin?
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:34:16 GMT

Derek Terveer (derekt@stpaul.gov) wrote:
:
: Is there any way, from a central location, to force users to subscribe
: to specific groups that will then appear at the front of their list of
: news groups?  NN has this feature, and i have found it useful for
: ensuring that local news groups get read by all users.  I just don't
: know how to do this in tin.  (I'm running pl6, by the way)

First you should upgrade to v1.1 PL8 (read the file FTP for details).

In your news lib dir (/usr/lib/news ?) you should create a file 
'subscriptions' containing all the newsgroups (1 per line) that 
you want your first time users to be automatically subscribed to.
At our site we have a subscriptions file of 120 groups and our 
feed is 600 groups.

Iain

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: tin,gnus - sort "auto select" to top
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:22:29 GMT

Edward Vielmetti (emv@msen.com) wrote:

: I would be interested to see a 'sort selected articles to top' option, which
: would present those highly rated articles first & then put the rest behind
: them.  

I second the motion.  Talk.politics.misc and soc.motss are particularly among
the ones in my case, and most notably after a weekend away from news.

I s'pose if someone writes it and mails it to Iain, we'll see it in tin
pretty quickly (-:
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam)
Subject: Trumpet for Windows
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:01:21 GMT

Just a quick note to say that Trumpet for Windows is nearing the end of its 
beta testing phase and will be released shortly.

Trumpet is an NNTP Newsreader for MS-DOS machines and comes in three flavours,
Packet driver, Trumpet TCp and Lan WorkPlace for DOS.

It is available from

       tasman.cc.utas.edu.au(131.217.10.1):/pub/pc/trumpet

Peter

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: need tin help:  tind, permissions!
Originator: erodrigu@tortel
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:47:44 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <1isfndINNcou@post.its.mcw.edu>, kcb@post.its.mcw.edu (Kent C. Brodie) writes:
> 
> I need some help here folks, and so far, no-one has responded.
> I'm running tin, and also the tind indexing daemon.   I seem to
> have SOME type of permission problem, but don't know
> exactly what.....
> 
> 1) If I leave tin with standard permissions, everything seems 
>    to be fine until the user reads certain groups, and permission
>    errors abound...
>    "/usr1/spool/news/.index/3214.1.3425 - Permission denied."
>    (that's just a sample, but you get the idea).
> 
>    What permissions must the central ".index" directory have?
>    Currently, it looks like this:
> 
> drwxrwxr-x  2 news        23552 Jan 11 12:34 .index/
> 
>    What permissions should tin have?   Currently, it looks like:
> 
> -rwxr-xr-x  2 news       356352 Dec 30 11:06 tin*
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 news       278528 Nov 24 09:39 tind*

In my system, tin is always owned by root, the other permissions
are the same, and i had never permission problem. (my system
is a bit complex to give you a description here, but i can
send it to you personally if you like).
  So, where the "Permission denied" problem appears?, when reading?,
when the deamon updates the index?

edo...

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:42:25 GMT

>>I suggest that you only use NNTP for posting.  Reading articles over NFS is
>>*much* faster.
>Nobody really knows whether or not this is true.

Gee, I was at a site where the news server maintained a load >10 and crashed
every several hours when everyone was using NNTP to read news.  When we
switched to reading across NFS, the load dropped appreciably and the machined
stayed up.  I must have imagined it.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: djf@bnr.ca (Duane Fowler)
Subject: trn newsgroup selection
Reply-To: djf@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:22:46 GMT

Hi,

Please forgive this first time poster (and reader) if this is an
FAQ (is there an FAQ list?).

Is there any way to have trn present the groups in .newsrc for
pre-selection, the same way it presents articles within groups?

This would prevent having to say y or n to the many groups some people
suscribe to.  To me, this is the main disadvantage of trn over, say,
Xrn wherein groups are presented to you and you click on the one(s)
you're interested in at the time.

Thanks in advance,

Duane
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From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:00:58 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost

In article <1993Jan6.234225.9942@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony
Datri) writes:

:>>I suggest that you only use NNTP for posting.  Reading articles over NFS is
:>>*much* faster.
:>Nobody really knows whether or not this is true.
:
:Gee, I was at a site where the news server maintained a load >10 and crashed
:every several hours when everyone was using NNTP to read news.  When we
:switched to reading across NFS, the load dropped appreciably and the machined
:stayed up.  I must have imagined it.

This could mean that NFS was probably implemented properly and NNTP wasn't,
not necessarily that one was "better" than the other.

						...Mike

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From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:01:36 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Rich Salz (rsalz@osf.org) wrote:
: In <1993Jan1.053430.19760@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
: >I suggest that you only use NNTP for posting.  Reading articles over NFS is
: >*much* faster.
: Nobody really knows whether or not this is true.
: 	/r$
Depends on whether you like people running find on /usr/spool/news (especially
when it's on a small machine).
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Help! - Locating dead.* files in rn
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:41:17 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

I'm trying to find out how I can force rn to store the dead.letter or
dead.article files (formed when you abort a response letter or post) in a
directory of my choice.  I know how to change the default directory for
storing saved posts, and change the directory where the dot files are
stored, but I can't find where it allows me to designate where the dead.*
files go.

I could probably redesignate the home directory itself, but I really don't
want to do that, as it will screw up my directory paths when I know where I
want to save a file.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: notes@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Notes Administrator)
Subject: Can tin KILL like rn?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:20:55 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

There's a posting in this newsgroup about the KILL feature of the News reader
called rn.  Does tin have these capabilities?  If so, does anyone have 
similar instructions?

I have someone here who'd like to prevent seeing the same cross posted article
and prevent seeing particular people's postings, and I'd like to stay with
tin if possible.

If rn is the only way to go, how do I go about installing it, and getting
documentation on its use - just man pages?

Thanks much,

Sherri Cornejo
Roseville - HP
916-785-4225
email = sherric@hprpcd.rose.hp.com
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Forcing trn to display subjects in thread mode
Organization: Borland International
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:17:35 GMT

lenny@hobbs.hunt.inmet.com (Lenny Goodman) wrote:
> I wanted to know if there is any method to force
> "trn" to display the list of subjects in a newsgroup in threaded mode
> as opposed to just a sequential list.  Some of the newsgroups that I browse 
> display message subjects as a list and others use a threaded format.

Sounds like some of your groups may not be threaded by default (i.e.
your news admin has elected not to create thread file for all groups).
If this is the case, you can force the group to be manually threaded
each time you enter it in one of two ways:  use the -a switch to force
all groups to be read threaded, or use the 't' command at the _newsgroup_
level to switch on manual-threading for an individual group.

..wayne..
From: kcb@post.its.mcw.edu (Kent C. Brodie)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: need tin help:  tind, permissions!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:53:33 -0600
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin  (Milwaukee, WI)
NNTP-Posting-Host: post.its.mcw.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


I need some help here folks, and so far, no-one has responded.

I'm running tin, and also the tind indexing daemon.   I seem to
have SOME type of permission problem, but don't know
exactly what.....

1) If I leave tin with standard permissions, everything seems 
   to be fine until the user reads certain groups, and permission
   errors abound...
   "/usr1/spool/news/.index/3214.1.3425 - Permission denied."
   (that's just a sample, but you get the idea).

   What permissions must the central ".index" directory have?
   Currently, it looks like this:

drwxrwxr-x  2 news        23552 Jan 11 12:34 .index/

   What permissions should tin have?   Currently, it looks like:

-rwxr-xr-x  2 news       356352 Dec 30 11:06 tin*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 news       278528 Nov 24 09:39 tind*

2) If, in the above, I change tin to "setuid" tin, It gets
   even weirder...    users posting articles with vi or
   emacs end up editing ~/.article in "read only" mode.

Can SOMEONE (hopefully Iaia) PLEASE explain the PROPER way
to set this up?   I really like tin, and this one last thing
is really bugging me....

much thanks!

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Information Technology Systems
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: PICO and TIN
From: cctr127@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:52:59 GMT
Reply-To: j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Kent C. Brodie (kcb@post.its.mcw.edu) wrote:
> Here's a related question.....     is there a way I can
> make pico my default editor for tin users?    I know
> I can set the "VISUAL" or "EDITOR" environment variables
> in the users .login, but I don't necessarily want to 
> have "pico" as the users editor for EVERYTHING,...   just tin.

> Is this possible?

Sure, just edit tin.h and change DEFAULT_EDITOR to the path to where you
keep pico.

 --

Cheers

Jason Haar, Network Consultant
Xref: sparky news.software.readers:2717 alt.sys.amiga.uucp:3183
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: tin .sig
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:34:42 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <mark.07lo@garden.equinox.gen.nz> mark@garden.equinox.gen.nz (Mark Tomlinson) writes:
> Steve Slade (steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com) wrote:
> >I am having problems with the amiga version tin patch level 8 and signatures.
>
> >default_sigfile=~/.Sig
> >and in my home directory I have two sig files .sig .signature but I can't get
> >any of them to be tacked on
>
> You'll find the explanation in the manual. What TIN does (behaviour
> inherited from UNIX), is only tack the .Sig file on the end if there is no
> file called .signature. TIN does this because it expects the mail/post
> program to automatically append the .signature file, so it doesn't append
> it during the edit session. Simply delete the .signature file, and it
> should work.
>
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Ah..ok..how about if we just change the default_sigfile=~/.signature?

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From: paul@eunet.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: EEP .newsrc editor for [t]rn beta testing ver 1.4
Date: 9 Jan 1993 17:11:04 +0100
Organization: EUnet EDV Dienstleistungs GmbH A-1010 Wien Austria
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hp4at.eunet.co.at

A couple of years ago I wrote EEP, which is a small program that allows
novice users (those unfamiliar with vi, emacs etc.) to edit their
.newsrc, and use it to subscribe, unsubscribe, catch up, etc. with
newsgroups.  It also makes use of the newsgroups file to provide text
descriptions of each newsgroup, and uses curses to drive the screen.  I
have just finished porting it to MS-DOS, and am working on a Waffle
version, which will update the JOIN file (under both DOS and UNIX
versions of Waffle.)

The program is now improved over the previous version, supporting the
following commands:

			/   Search          n   Search for next
			^D  Page down       ^U  Page up
			:   Select by number                  
			p   Pointer change  c   Catch up
			x   Save and exit   q   Exit without saving
			s   Subscribe       u   Unsubscribe
			^L  Redraw screen   ?   This Help
			t   Top of file     b   Bottom of file
			a   Alphabetise     i   Show info
			j   Join newsgroup  k   Unjoin newsgroup

It will also eliminate bogus newsgroups, and will warn users if a
newsgroup is not valid (i.e. doesn't appear in the active file with a y
or m flag).  

Currently, it has no hooks for NNTP, although I think someone in Finland
has added this (I haven't seen the diffs.)  I'm told it has also been
adapted for nn, but I don't know how the .newsrc or active files differ
with that or tin.

Basically, this is handy for people who want to browse through
newsgroups, adding or removing them from their .newsrc at will, while
reading the description for each newsgroup.

I'm now wanting beta testers who will help with porting this to
different environments, e.g. because curses is implemented in different
ways I'm trying to use a common subset.  I'd also like to hear from
people interested in adapting the code (to NNTP or innd for example), or
someone who may wish to incorporate it into a newsreader.
-- 
Paul Gillingwater
Home system: paul@actrix.co.at (Waffle)
Xref: sparky news.software.readers:2652 news.software.b:3687 news.software.nntp:1737
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: $NAME and trn, inn inews, NNTP inews, Cnews inews
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:25:50 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1i4mv4INNdpc@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:
>  If so, then trn
>documenting NAME and then not generating a From: header which utilizes it
>can be considered a bug, IMHO.
I agree.

This is the first time anyone has asked for INN to support $NAME.
Indeed, it is the first time I have heard of it.

I have no plans to add it in INN1.3
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp
Subject: Re: Text editing in tin
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:20:40 GMT

Michael Malloy (mmjjmm@post.its.mcw.edu) wrote:
:
: What is the easiest text editor to use with the tin newsgroup reader?

I personally use the joe editor available for ftp from world.std.com

Iain

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