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From: ghe@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Guangliang He)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:53:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov7.051049.18680@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, abbasi@star.enet.dec.com (My name is Nasser Abbasi) writes:
> 
> [ ... deleted discussion on which is worse to get, a PhD in physics
> or CS, as far as getting work with the PhD is concerned...]
> 
> 
> I think one should get a PhD in an area that they really like, and
> not pay attention to the job market too much.
> 
> someone mentioned Physics being bad as far as the job situation is,
> is this just for getting teaching positions in top schools? or all
> schools period? or all schools and industry as well?
>
> I look at the back of Physics today mag. and I do see some openings, from
> different level of schools, few from industry. offcourse I dont know how
> many are applying to these positions.

No. Not only for the teaching positions, also postdoc positions. Not
only in top schools, also in most other schools, labs.... As for the
ads behind of Physics Today, a lot of them already had their
candidates, the ads are just a formality. Many of the replies I got
for my application showed they were overwelmed by the number of
applicans, 200 is not uncommon.

> 
> my other question is, how do you see the situation for PhD in physics
> in 5-6 years from now? and what field(s) in Physics would you advice
> someone just starting graduate school, one to concentrate on?
> 
> /Nasser

As for the future, I don't see many good job opt for physics ph.d.
There are MANY physics ph.d. out there doing postdoc. So once a
position opens up, it will be fill up in no-time. Leave the fresh ph.d
no chance. As for getting postdoc position, because the other
positions are so few, many postdocs just stay on their position for
quite a while. Also, another problem is that large number of former
soviet union physicsists are also trying to find job in U.S. even
with VERY low pay. ATT payed $10,000 for 27 FSU scientists, for a one
year contract, including salary and equp. Also, many national labs are
facing budget cut now. The first thing they cut is the postdoc
positions. So anyone can judge the situation for themselfs. How good
are the chances to find a job for a physics ph.d?

As in 5-6 years from now, I really don't know. All I can say is that
the federal budget will be getting less and less for physics as a
whole. (Cold war is over and who needs nuclear bombs?) Well, physics
has many applications, but currently the biggest part is related to
weapons. So, you figure.

Well, as for intelleture part, I am not against physics research. As
far as you can provide a decent life for yourself and family (from
other channel, such as rich parent, win a lottery...(I am trying to
get this one now)), go do it. Physics is the most challenge science,
IMHO. (OK, one of the most, so I don't offened other fields). 

Guangliang
From: wlg0988@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wanbing Li)
Subject: who is who
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:26:30 GMT
Keywords: w

posting for my friend z. huang
   I received a request today from Who's Who in Science and Engineering
today in the mail.  THe question is: is the publication any value ?
   2) will I be charged later for publication cost ?
   3) is it really helpful for career development ?
    thanks for any enlightment.
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Keywords: Momma, don't let your babies grow up to be scientists...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:17:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.030205.7095@netcom.com>, vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov6.103301.3045@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:
|> >>I got a piece of mail from the computer science department of an Ivy
|> >>League school the other day. The writer dropped a hint that there were
|> >>400 applications for one Assistant Professor position. (Name of the
|> >>school withheld to protect the sender.)
|> >>
|> >>At last count there are, perhaps, twenty or thirty open positions in
|> >>the US and Canada at that level. Ergo, at least a 1000% oversupply.
|> >>
|> >>At this point, I would NOT advise anyone to get a Ph.D. in computer
|> >>science, if they were doing it to work in academia. If you're planning
|> >>to do it, I'd say make other plans. Unless you're a superstar, you
|> >>probably don't have a chance.
|> >
|> >This is not necessarily THAT bad... consider there must be at a minimum
|> >500 graduates from CS departments with PhD's every year.  Presumably
|> >many of these will apply for an "Ivy League" position, so one would expect
|> >a great number of applicants for that position.
|> >
|> >I do not know where you found out 20-30 open positions, or what type of
|> >positions these are.  You could ALWAYS get a job at a lower tier school,
|> >if you are willing to shift into 2 year schools. 
|> >
|> >I don't know why anyone would want to be in academia anyway... can't you
|> >get research positions in industry . . .?
|> 
|>    No!  There aren't any!  Computer science research openings in
|> industry have dried up.  Research has gone out of fashion with Wall
|> Street and corporate America, because it does not pay off quickly
|> enough.

Let me suggest that when Clinton spends $500 million of his $7.6 billion
additional hi-tech money on "information technologies" and "artificial
intelligence" that this situation may change somewhat. Besides, what you
said is only true if you take the really strict defininition of Computer
Science and don't include things like architectures and VLSI.

Jason W. Solinsky
Xref: sparky sci.research.careers:1355 soc.college.grad:2050
From: masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.college.grad
Subject: Bleak news from the academic job market
Keywords: Momma, don't let your babies grow up to be scientists...
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:09:53 GMT
Followup-To: sci.research.careers
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I got a piece of mail from the computer science department of an Ivy
League school the other day. The writer dropped a hint that there were
400 applications for one Assistant Professor position. (Name of the
school withheld to protect the sender.)

At last count there are, perhaps, twenty or thirty open positions in
the US and Canada at that level. Ergo, at least a 1000% oversupply.

At this point, I would NOT advise anyone to get a Ph.D. in computer
science, if they were doing it to work in academia. If you're planning
to do it, I'd say make other plans. Unless you're a superstar, you
probably don't have a chance.


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From: aj843@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert L. Stone)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Online Phonebooks/Family Records?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:54:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello,

I am participating in research on Alzheimer's Disease and am
looking for some way to contact former participants in a study
who have been lost to follow-up.

I am looking for any online services such as phonebooks, reverse
phonebooks (address --> name) and for infromation on the MORMON
DATA BASE -- is it available over the internet?

*ANY* information would be much appreciated!  Please post or
e-mail me at rls@pennsy.med.jhu.edu.

Thanks!

-- 
   _____  __    _______"Wake the neighbors and phone the kids,
  / __  // /   /  ____/it's time for viewer mail. Actual letters
 / /_/ // /__ /____  /from actual viewers, if they weren't, could
/_/ |_|/____//______/I do this?" aj843  (Bob Stone, Baltimore MD)
Newsgroups: sci.research
From: twalker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy M Walker)
Subject: Re: MISSING-PERSON LOCATION TECHNIQUE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:55:06 GMT



  PATENTED TECHNIQUE FOR FINDING THE SOURCE OF THIS SCIENTIFIC THEORY:

1)  Grasp your belt buckle firmly with your right hand.

2)  Bend over at your waist, to make an angle of 178.5 degrees.

3)  Stick your head as far up your ass as you can get it.

4)  Look around.


Thank you for your attention.
Please use this technique wisely, and often.


-- 
          ........   Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball ..........

                          ==> BIM <==
Newsgroups: sci.research
From: jones@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: New Ph.D. Program
Organization: institute for the learning sciences
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:40:43 GMT

T h e   L  E  A  R  N  I  N  G    S  C  I  E  N  C  E  S    P h. D.   P r o g r
a m


Preparing individuals for productive work and a   high quality of life in
today's society is a complex  challenge for schools and corporations. To meet
this challenge, Northwestern University has established a unique Ph.D. program
in the Learning Sciences. Its purpose is to advance the research and
development of innovative educational structures and technologies.

Research in the Learning Sciences is aimed at creating environments that offer
all students a rich variety of opportunities for learning to think effectively,
both within and outside of formal learning settings. Graduate student and
faculty research efforts are supported by a multimedia, networked computing 
infrastructure and an unusual commitment to developing technologies that
function effectively within their intended settings. 

The Learning Sciences is a synthesis of computational and social science
disciplines including artificial intelligence, cognitive and developmental
psychology, educational research, linguistics, computer science, anthropology
and fields that develop strategies for teaching complex subject matter. 

Through research, field work and apprenticeships, the Ph.D. program will
prepare its graduates to assume leadership roles in advancing the scientific
understanding and systematic practices of learning and teaching.

Students are eligible for competitively-awarded multi-year funding. To qualify
for financial aid, candidates should apply by January 15, 1993. Applications
received after that date may be  considered. Individuals with relevant teaching
experience or a strong academic  background in a field related to the Learning
Sciences are encouraged to apply. For  application materials or for further
information, contact:

Professor Roy Pea
Ph.D. Program Chair 
The Learning Sciences 
Northwestern University
1890 Maple Avenue
Evanston, IL  60201
phone: 708-491-8152
fax:    708-491-5258
email: jones@ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: QUALITATIVE METHODOLOGY
From: <NU185650@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:10:01 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

I AM EXPLORING FARMERS'(AND THEIR FAMILIES) SELECTION OF FARM ENTERPRISES
AND PRACTICES PURSUING A GOAL OF SUSTAINABILITY ON THEIR FARMS.  I HAVE BEEN
CONDUCTING FIELD VISITS AND UNSTRUCTURED INTERVIEWS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE

PROCESS OF SELECTION AND TO SHED SOME SOCIOLOGICAL LIGHT INTO THE DIMLY LIT
FIELD OF AGRICULTURAL ECONOMICS.  I WOULD APPRECIATE ARTICLES OR INFORMATION
ON SIMILAR RESEARCH OR THE USE OF QUALITATIVE METHODS IN SIMILAR SETTINGS.

THANKS.  BILL BENJAMIN    NORTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY
         DEPT. OF AGRICULTURAL ECONOMICS
         FARGO, ND 58102      701-237-8934     FAX  701-237-7400
QQUIT
Newsgroups: sci.research
From: palmer@sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer)
Subject: Re: MISSING-PERSON LOCATION TECHNIQUE
Organization: Simon Fraser University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:03:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.203756.2279@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
writes:
>          
>          
>                       MISSING-PERSON LOCATION TECHNIQUE
>          
>               The following information is a very simple technique for 
>          finding missing children, adults, MIA's, etc..  Please take 
>          it SERIOUSLY. 
>
>          [much garbage elided]
>
>               This technique was developed by a Canadian scientist, 
>          Frances Nixon, of The Vivaxis Energies Research International 
>          Society, 211 Blackman St., New Westminster, British Columbia  
>          V3L 2A8, Canada.  Contact THEM for more information. 

 Here in Burnaby, next door to New Westminster, we use a different method.
 We coat missing persons in honey and follow the ants to find them.

 Leigh
From: rsherme@diamond.nswc.navy.mil (Russel Shermer (R43))
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Addendum to fyi #145
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:44:58 GMT
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.

My apologies.  As with all the other fyi's, Fyi #145 was posted with
permission and for:

Public Information Division
American Institute of Physics
Contact: Richard M. Jones
Phone: (202) 332-9661
Email: fyi@aip.org



	---Russ
From: speedy@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Visiting Res Fellowship
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:44:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Herewith notice of a visiting fellowship that may be of interest
to scientists of various disciplines.  I am sending it to a number
of groups on NETNEWS.  Please bring it to the attention of any
suitable colleagues.  Replies to Dean's secretary at the address 
below - not by e-mail, please! Please indicate where you saw the
advert.

Andrew Speedy
Tutor in Biological Sciences
Christ Church
Oxford

---------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT


CHRIST CHURCH,  Oxford



Dr Lee Visiting Research Fellowships in the Sciences


The college proposes to elect Visiting Fellows, in the Natural
Sciences and Mathematics, for up to nine months in the period
September 1993 to August 1994.

The Fellowships are intended to enable distinguished senior
scholars to pursue their own research as members of the college
community, and they will be expected to reside in Oxford during
the period of tenure.    Fellows must make their own research
arrangements with Oxford laboratories.

Each Fellow will be entitled to free family accommodation, a
study-room in college and free dinners.   Return fares from the
place of residence will be paid for each Fellow and his/her
family.   Limited stipends may also be offered, depending on
individual circumstances.

Further details may be obtained from The Dean's Secretary, Christ
Church, Oxford OX1 1DP, and applications should be received not
later than
12 December 1992.
Newsgroups: sci.research
From: hannegan@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bryan Hannegan)
Subject: Stis on-line info from NSF
Organization: Code 916, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:21:07 GMT

In a previous post, we talked about the accessibility on internet access to
the NSF information available from stis.nsf.gov. I forgot to mention that 
you need to log in as "public" then introduce yourself to the system. 

Sorry for any mixup this might have caused.

Bryan Hannegan
hannegan@halo.ps.uci.edu
Dept. of Geosciences, University of California, Irvine   
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu)
Subject: How to mill rubbish paper?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:58:24 GMT


Hi Netters,


I have been engaged in a study of pulverizing domestic refuse and can not find
a mill/grinding machine to break paper into powder. Any advice or info would
be greatly appreciated.

Max 
-- 
* Max G Q Lu, PhD (Lecturer in Thermal Engineering)
* School of MPE, Nanyang Technological University
* Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 2263. (Email: mgqlu@ntu.ac.sg)
* Phone: (65) 7911744 Ext.4818     Fax: (65) 7911859
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: The Ecocentric Criterion (again)
Date: 14 Nov 1992 01:00:54 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov13.203011.28163@meteor.wisc.edu>, tobis@meteor.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
>I agree completely, and repeat this to emphasize that fact. I believe that
>giving land back to nature is the most important objective of environmentally
>sound policy by far. On the other hand, it is not clear what effects on
>perceived affluence or total population this must have, and this is a question
>that deserves serious and extensive study. On the other other hand, it is
>certainly clear that at least the environmental impact part of policy 
>becomes much easier as population decreases. On the other other other hand,
>economists will claim that affluence depends on what they call "growth", and
>this sort of growth becomes much easier as population increases. And 
>population growth rate seems to vary inversely as affluence. Yeedge! 

Not all economists will make that claim, and those who do base that claim on
the same assumptions on which they based the claim, until the '70s, that you
couldn't have inflation and a recession at the same time.  For validation of
their claim that their theories are actually useful, they usually find it
necessary to go back more than half a century and point to the fact that we
recovered from the depression using their theories.  Of course, if one looks in
detail at government budgets for the period when we were "spending our way out
of the depression," one finds that increases in federal spending were nearly
matched by decreases in state and local spending.  But the public BELIEVED that
something was being done.  Voodoo at its finest.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: Ecocentric Criterion and the Population Question
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:00:54 GMT

In article <BxIvE2.5s7.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:

> I understand that the Club of Rome has revised its book _The Limits To
> Growth_. Has anyone here read it and can they briefly identify some
> specific constraints which human activity is facing right now?

LtG was not the Club of Rome's book.  It was a book describing a
report *to* the Club of Rome by a couple of researchers.  The Club of
Rome, a group of European businessmen, never endorsed the conclusions
of LtG.

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Articles on companies that pollute?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:20:16

Another research project starting with its conclusions.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: myahgula@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Yahgulanaas)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Wetlands treatment of human sewage
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 21:24:26 PST
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

Haida Gwaii wishes to move beyond theory. Two of the principla 
communities on Haida Gwaii ( Queen Charlotte Islands ) wish to 
investigate and if possible implement a wetlands disposal/treatment for 
the sewage generated by present population of 2,000. We have significant 
wetalnd immediately adjoining the Haida (indigenous nation) communty of 
Old Massett and the community ( municipality ) of New Massett. The 
wetlands support the second highest concentration of migratory birds in 
British Columbia( second only to the Fraser River Delta ). The wetland is 
about 200 acres and is in the process of been reunited with its 
historical salt water connection. ( removing a causeway and replacing a 
bridge ). Any interested persons with advice or cautions are welcomedto 
contact my communities chief engineer on this project, Mr. Spence Stanyar 
at telephone 604 624 4666, or e mail me here.

Thanks,

Chief M.N, Yahgulanaas


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From: alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alan McGowen)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:43:48 GMT
Subject: Re: The Ecocentric Criterion (again)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Ecocentric Criterion and the Population Question
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Nov6.213704.26864@vexcel.com>
	<1992Nov10.022142.11566@meteor.wisc.edu>
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:01:48

Hydroponic production of tomatoes in greenhouses use a factor of 29
less water than field production.  Something may limit us to 20 billion,
and I rather hope it would be esthetic, but it won't be lack of water.
California uses a bit more than 1000 m^3 of water per person, but
then California exports a lot of food.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.