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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Kill Hetfield
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:57:06 GMT

From article <1992Sep25.230711.861@cheshire.oxy.edu>, by dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker):
> This is my impression of the different attitudes of Metallica, judging from
> interviews, music, etc.
> 
> Ulrich: Flame me if you want, but Lars has always struck me as a self-centered
> sell-out prick. Of all of them, he seems to be the only one that is embracing
> the main stream and MTV. He sounds like he wants Metallica to join Winger and
> Poison on the poser parade.

	While I don't agree totally with what you have to say about
Lars up here, I also don't see it entirely off base either.  In every
Metallica interview I've ever read that talked about the band's personalities,
Lars is always refered to the one that is mainstream.  As in the guy who
likes to go to parties, get wasted with other people, etc.  So when you
say he's a "sell-out prick" I think it's just more that he's enjoying
the success that Metallica has now (now that the mainstream has come to them)
and of course he's always been the most vocal about his opinions.  I don't
*really* think he'd want Metallica to join the Winger/Poison poser parade,
but if he was at a party with Kip Winger/Brett Michaels (or whomever
the hell is left of those two dammnig bands) he'd have a good time with them.
 
 TTYL
 Chris
From: messick@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Ballads
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:44:56 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Sep29.063232.4410@menudo.uh.edu> st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>
>
>Trust me on this one. Most people consider "Puppets" to be the DEFINING 
>album of this type of music.

ummmm.....make that "most people who didn't get into metal 'till well after
MOP was released consider it to be ....."

The rest of us thought it was a good album (very good, even...) but since
it was not one of the first albums of the "style", how can it be definitive?

I don't mean to come off as a dick, but there was a time not too long ago
when we were awaiting the NEW Metallica....what's it called....Master 
Something...?   Yeah.....should be due out by early '86.....   

Although it and RTL trade off as my favorite Metallica album, too, so....

-- 
                                                        Tim Messick 
                                                      messick@seas.ucla.edu 
..I *like* that little guitar change   
                Ty did there, that was *nice*....
From: campoe@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Campo Erik)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: I.Maiden & newbies
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:14:44 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Euh, don't remember your name but this is for you ('cos first I wanted to e-mailyou but then I thought it would be better to post it) njhand@vax1.tcd.ie
You say that Iron Maiden are good for t-shirts not for music. You don't know    what you're saying, boy. These guys are VERY good and newbies HAVE to listen to their music.

Erik.


-- 
Erik Campo campoe@JSP.UMontreal.Ca -- "Between the velvet lies
                                       There's a truth that's made of steel
                                       The vision never dies
                                       Life's a never ending wheel" R.J.Dio 1983
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU (Charles Foster Kane)
Subject: Re: Ballads
Reply-To: st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:32:32 GMT

In article <BvAwCD.EMx@news.udel.edu>, zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price) writes:
>	Iknow I might be a little late, but I still have to say something about 
>the ballad arguement. I'm a relatively new Metallica listener, however they 
>fast became my favorite band. I've only got 3 tapes (RTL, AJFA, and "the black
>album"),                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


WHAT !!!????


Run out to the store and get "Master of Puppets" !!

I'm surprised you openly admitted not owning this album, and called them
your favorite band.


Trust me on this one. Most people consider "Puppets" to be the DEFINING 
album of this type of music.



You do have a point about there being other ballads from Metallica, except
that Nothing Else Matters is the first one without dark lyrics and there
is hardly >any< "crunchy" guitar parts in it (there is that ONE part before
the solo, but all of the previous 'ballads' have had a fair amount of crunch)

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: synk@pioneer.unm.edu (Brendan Conoboy)
Subject: Re: Ballads
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:17:52 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <BvAwCD.EMx@news.udel.edu> zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price) writes:
>	Iknow I might be a little late, but I still have to say something about 
>the ballad arguement. I'm a relatively new Metallica listener, however they 
>fast became my favorite band. I've only got 3 tapes (RTL, AJFA, and "the black
>album"), but I've noticed that there's a slow, ballady type song on each. Every-
>one knows about "Nothing Else Matters" on _Metallica_. But I find that songs 
>like "To Live Is To Die" (AJFA) and "Fade to Black" (RTL) are done in a similar
>fashion. Granted, they aren't exactly the same, but the tempo and way in which
>Hetfield sings them are similar. Please share some opinions on this. I'm always
>open to new ideas...
>
The difference is that the black album is laced with slow music that is very
easy to play, and not much like the Metallica that we are used to.  Fade to
Black and To Live is To Die both have excellent guitar parts that you can't
just pick up and play without some clue as to what you're doing.  Nothing
Else Matters is VERY slow, and has a repetative track that any begginer can
play (I should know :-)  Personally I like the new tape and the old ones, but
the old ones rank higher and hold more meaning for the name "Metallica" as it
used to be know.

Synk
From: 2760carpente@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Pretenders
Date: 2 Oct 1992 18:48:58 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Oct2.152947.2105@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.234837.23403@cc.umontreal.ca>, campoe@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Campo Erik) writes:
>>Hey! Aren't you fans of Metallica a little bit sick and tired of all these     
>>little kids and other people who bought the black album? Well I am. If they    
>>bought the album it's 'cos they saw the videos on TV and because the music its 
>>kinda commercial but they pretend they are huge fans of the band when they     
>>don't even know there are other Metallica albums (and 100 times better than the
>>last one). They pretend they like Metal but deep inside I know they like       
>>Madonna, KLF, Hammer and 
>>
>>at shit better (and maybe some other but lesser  shit like Warrant, Poison,
>>etc.).
>
    Why don't we stop making fun of the "newbies" and just enjoy the music.
It doesn't really matter if someone only has the 'Black' album.  What really
matters is how much they love the music.  I have been a fan since 1984 and
I have seen them live 10 times.  Once I drove up 300 miles just to see them
play live.  I have every single disc, bootleg tapes, videos (Cliff em all
& One), but that doesn't make me a bigger or a better fan....  This group
is about Metallica, so why don't we just stick to the subject.  How about
more info, rumors, concert dates, interviews, ASCII diagrams, etc about 
the band.  
All the comments made here are mine and mine alone and kelly had nothing
to do with it.  She only listens to Metallica because I make her. :*-)

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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: To Live Is To Die (Was  Re: Ballads)
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:45:55 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

In article <6650@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> mgtst2+@pitt.edu (Michael G Thompson) writes:
>
>Well, I believe if you look on the inside cover somewhere
>(though I'm not absolutely sure) it says all songs are sung
>by Hetfield except "To Live is To Die", which Burton "sings".
>Like I said, I'm not sure.
>
It says in the sleeve that all LYRICS are by Hetfield except for "To Live Is To
Die," which isn't the same thing as all VOCALS. Jaymz sang 'em all, but it's 
the only Metallica song to which someone other than Jaymz wrote the words. But
I get the impression from the media (so it's probably unfounded) that this
is a tribute to Cliff (the album, but this song specifically).

philip
PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Be nice to newbies week.
Date: 3 Oct 1992 18:44:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kaya@mscf.med.upenn.edu () says:

>In article <1ae5diINNncn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>> 
>> In a previous article, njhand@vax1.tcd.ie () says:
>> 
>>>Metallica : ... MOP (I don't like it much,...
>>>
>>>Iron Maiden : Only joking, hah! Fished you right in, sign of the net,
>>>Nick the bassmaster. These people are good for t-shirts, not music.
>>>
>>>Def Leppard, Europe, Bon Jovi : See "Iron Maiden"
>>>
>>>Spinal Tap : Soundtrack, videocasette,
>> 
>> I'm amazed.  Anyone care to take a stab at this guy's intelligence/hearing/
>> sexual orientation/omnipotence? He sure seems to know everything...
>> 
>> 
>>                                                Moses  
>
>
>Intelligent?  Extremely.
>
>Hearing?  Last I checked, all senses were in working order.
>
>Sexual orientation?  Hetero (trust me on this one).
>
>Omnipotence?  I don't know, you'll have to ask him.
>
>He sure seems to know everything...  Except which is the best Metallica album 
>(which, of course, is MoP).
>
>Well, Moses, you did ask the question....
>
>By the way, did anybody notice a reviewer in Rolling Stone who wrote that 
>Helmet made Metallica look like the Archies?  
>
>Comments, Moses?  Anybody else?
>
>A newbie and proud of it,
>
>ang.
>


I am confused.  Are you defending the position that Iron Maiden is a poser 
band to be compared to Spinal Tap?   WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
I have nothing against "newbies"; I was one once, in 9th grade, and my
"heavy metal sucks" attitude changed real fast after I borrowed Master Of
Puppets from a friend, and later Appetite for Destruction came out.  

                                                   
                                                  Moses]
 
-- 
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 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
From: c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Metallica Movies
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:05:46 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Oct6.051219.24495@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Gordon.S.Witter@dartmouth.edu (Gordon S. Witter) writes:
>> Ah well, they still do a mean live set.  
>
>I find it a bit hypocritical that you bitch about Bob Rock's publicity
>stunts and still watch EmptyV.

Aha!  Someone has finally hit the nail on the head - it's not Metallica,
or Alice In Chains, or U2 or the Spin Doctors that wear out their
music, videos, stories, etc.  It's that fucking station called MTV
that we are all driven to because it's so easy to turn on and become a
vegetable in front of.

I hate MTV.  I really hate Kurt Loder.  He's a corpse-like asshole and
there is only one VJ worth watching, and it's only because she's
gorgeous.

Metallica would be just fine without MTV!  just remember that.

and listen to your Metallica tapes, CD's, etc. MORE!

___________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price)
Subject: Re: Ballads
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:35:02 GMT

I will, as soon as I get some money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: mega@lut.fi (Mega the Root of All Evil)
Subject: Re: Not new fan, new Sandman theory.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:12:10 GMT
Disclaimer: Death before disco
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


In article <1992Sep30.215158.1@vax1.tcd.ie> njhand@vax1.tcd.ie writes:

   AJFA for the use of a drum machine (who Lars was mainstream ? give that man
   a cigar!)    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  

 WHAT ? Do they use drum machine in AJFA ???????
 That`s completely new to me...
 (Actually I don't believe that they used any drum machines even the drum
  sound is a bit different compared to other metal albums. There's not
  wrong using machines in music; there just has to be other traditional
  instruments like guitar. Ministry is a good example for using machines
  and traditional instruments mixed up and still making heavy,brutal &
  good music)

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From: mbeadle@gacvx2.gac.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: <None>
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:04:40 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

I remember reading that Sandman was originally about crib death
and the band thought it was too morbid and changed it a little.

My opinion for new metal fans is Slayer and Exidus.

This is my first post flame me if like.


Can YOU survive the Blitzkreig?
		Mike at Gustavus
From: Gordon.S.Witter@dartmouth.edu (Gordon S. Witter)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Boxed Set
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:33:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I've been told by a couple of local record store owners that Metallica
is putting out a boxed set before the end of the year.  From the
description that both of them gave, it sounds an awful lot like the set
that was released in Europe.  Neither of the two sources had any idea
what I was talking about when I mentioned the European set.  I haven't
heard anything else about this US boxed set, and I kinda question the
validity of both sources.  Anybody have any info?

Also, does anyone have the track list of the European set?

-dino

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: std_beaulieu@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Re: New (somewhat) MetallicA fan
Reply-To: std_beaulieu@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:43:10 GMT

--	If your really new to the metal scene,fuck Helmet listen to COVEN.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: cosc17wj@Rosie.UH.EDU (Periscope)
Subject: Re: New (somewhat) MetallicA fan
Reply-To: cosc17wj@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:21:30 GMT

In message <1992Sep28.044310.589@honte.uleth.ca> std_beaulieu@hg.uleth.ca writes

>--	If your really new to the metal scene,fuck Helmet listen to COVEN.

What are the album title(s) for COVEN?  I am more than willing to check groups
that I haven't heard of.

-Scope
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Subject: Re: Bass Soul
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:15:26 GMT

In article <1a5j5nINNfdf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>Does anyone have the guitar riff, TAB, music, for ``Bass Soul'' off of
>Kill 'Em All?
>
>Thanks
>Richard Banks.

	Why do I get the feeling he's talking about the "Bass Solo"
that's called "Anesthesia"?  I think in his next post he wants the
words to "Pulling Teeth".  Then again I could be wrong, but I've never
heard of "Bass Souls", though Cliff (may he rest in peace.  6 years,
who would believe it's been that long?  Look where music has gone
since then.) sure was one hell of a Bass Soul if there ever was one.

-Jason
-- 
"Down here on the planet Earth 
They steal your back and leave the shirt.
Pay you a penny and call it a dime and then   -Jason and
Give you a watch when you run out of time."   -the Scorchers
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Ballads
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:29:59 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

>
>In article <BvGH1L.85H@news.udel.edu>, zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price) writes:
>> Seeings how the copyright date on the album is '88 and Cliff passed on in '86
>> (I think-he was before my time), it appears as though it's Hetfield stating the
>> lyrics in that song. Besides, it sounds like him...
>
>    I though it might have been an earlier recording, seeing as how they use
>stuff they had from past years (like the riff for Sad But True for example).
>Your probably right though.
>
>Blake

Most of the black album's songs are actually very old. NEM is, as is "Don't
Tread On Me," "Sad But True," I'm sure many others. But then you all knew that
already, I suppose.


philip

PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
From: ak@scout.ksu.ksu.edu (Kendric Beachey)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Escape... what?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 15:49:37 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <1BB96926FS@tron.gun.de>, ultimate@tron.gun.de (Frank Stender) writes:
>-> At this point, the guys started a shitty-sounding take of "Escape",
>->    then cut it off after a few seconds.  James said, "Why'd we stop
>->    the song?  'Cause that song sucks!"  Of course the newbies were
>->    lost.  :-)
>
>OK, beat me up and lock me in - I'm a newbie. What's the stuff behind
>"Escape" after all?
>
> Z-Netz  : ULTIMATE@WANDERER.ZER                --- Frank Stender ---
> Fido    : Frank Stender 2:242/21.111 or 2:245/5807
> InterNet: ultimate@tron.gun.de
>        or Frank_Stender@ouzonix.bo.open.de   via -- THE ANSWER V2.03


I wouldn't really consider myself the ultimate source on this, but I'll
put up what I know (or think I do  :-)  ).  Everybody feel free to jump
up and interrupt to fix me up.  (unintentional poem, honest  :-)  )
 
I believe someone posted a while back that Metallica had attempted to 
produce a more mainstream song on RTL, and that it didn't work too well.
The poster then went on to speculate that the song must have been Escape.
If this is true, then I could see Metallica being disappointed with the
non-success of their efforts.
 
for my part, I like Escape.  It seems to encompass a large part of what
Metallica is all about--individuality and not bowing to others.  This 
theme can be found in several of their other songs, too.

Riding with the Four Horsemen on through the dead of night, 


-- 
  Kendric Beachey a.k.a. A. K.                                               
    ak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu                      331 N 17                       
    ak@ksuvm.ksu.edu                         Manhattan, KS 66502           
"Thou hast besquirted me, O Leotarded One!  The maiden be thine!"--Guess who?
From: jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Sigh
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:36:43 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:36:02 GMT-10:00

Well, I dont get this group here and I really HATE
missing out on any news....any way to actually get 
the articlaes forwaded to me?

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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:52:05 CST
From:         Michael Teller <C09615MT@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Words wanted
Newsgroups:   alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica

>
>In article <1a5jd7INNfpf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>(Richard Banks) says:
>
>Could someone who has the words to that song, I think it is called
>``Victory'', right after ``Bass Souls'' off of Kill 'E, All, please
>post the words to it.  Thanks.

Does anybody know what the f*ck this guy is talking about?
Better yet does he know what the f*ck he's talking about?
From: v085pcqr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MATT SUROWIEC - CROWEHEAD)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: GARAGE DAYS RE-REVISITED
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

i've been checking everywhere i can think of, cheesy record stores in the
mall, out of the way illegal places, and i can't find the GARAGE DAYS EP.

is it still available? or was it just a limited run?

any info appreciated


CROWEHEAD