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From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: typical diet
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:37:21 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center



A Runner's Diet Plan
By Berke Jackery

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Day 1
Breakfast
---------
tea with 1/2 cup skim milk
2 slices whole wheat toast
1 pat no-cholesterol margarine
1/2 orange

(6 mile run before lunch)

Lunch
---------
diet soda
tossed salad
4 oz chicken (remove skin)
1 apple
4 saltine crackers 

Mid-Day Snack
---------
1 box Ritz crackers
1 8 oz jar Cheez-Whiz

Dinner
---------
1 large pepperoni pizza
1 six-pack beer
corn chips (unlimited)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Day 2
(8 mile early morning run)

Breakfast
---------
tea with 1/2 cup skim milk
2 eggs
1 slice whole wheat toast
12 waffles with butter and syrup
1 strip bacon (optional)

Lunch
---------
1 cup fruit juice
1 cup cottage cheese
2 pieces Melba toast
1 apple

Mid-Day Snack
---------
1 lb bag M&M's

Dinner
---------
diet soda
tossed salad
4 oz broiled fish
2 qt vanilla ice cream

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Day 3
Breakfast
---------
coffee with 1/2 cup skim milk
1 oz whole grain cereal

Lunch
---------
diet soda
carrot sticks
4 oz tuna salad
2 saltines

(5 miles running after work)

Dinner
---------
1 Ox roasted
3 tankards Irish Ale
2 loaves rye bread
celery sticks (optional)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Xmas...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:13:26 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1029311.69292.8897@kcbbs.gen.nz>,
Garth_Robinson@kcbbs.gen.nz (Garth Robinson) writes:
>
>      ......Isn't it funny how this echo becomes so quite at this time
>of the year........ Christmas!
>              I bet you all over endulged............ like me.
>
>CFN, Garth.
>


Well, you would lose that bet.  I have lost (drum roll, please) 47
lbs since Aug.  I don't want to say it too loud or the diet Gods may
hear me.

Alma
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: sjryan@iastate.edu (S. J. Ryan)
Subject: Re: ww exchanges?
Keywords: need exchange info
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:45:58 GMT

	I'm not exactly sure what WW exchanges are, since I haven't
been in quite a while, but in diabetic exchanges, which are
very similar, a waffle (depending on how full of extra stuff it is)
could be anywhere from a bread, to a bread and two fats.  Eggo Special
K waffles have less than 1 gram of fat and 80 calories.  They would
be a bread.  If you want waffles that have 3-5 grams of fat, count it as
one fat, and anything higher than that as two.

	I don't know about "floaters".  Hope this helps.

Sandi


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: What's in a Name? (was: I need some advice -)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:12:21 EST

In article <1993Jan23.154445.8924@csc.ti.com> barbaraj writes:
>In article <WVENABLE.93Jan20124536@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au>, wvenable@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>>> >>>>> "Margot" ==   <mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu> writes:
>>> 
>>> Margot> ...  So I guess what I'm suggesting is that we discourage the use
>>> Margot> of anonymous postings in this group by not responding.  After all,
>>> Margot> this is a support group, not free advice and the support goes both
>>> Margot> ways...
>>> 
>   .... 
> 
>>> Yes.  I agree with "discourage", though, rather than "disallow".  I did
>>> respond to one of these anonymous posts also, but made it clear I was not
>>> at all comfortable in doing so.  However another person in private email to
>>> me did point out some quite valid reasons persons might have for wanting to
>>> remain anonymous (like your name is "Eagleburger" or something... - only
>>> kidding!) so I think we should maintain our usual good manners in such
>>> cases.  However in future I personally don't intend to respond in any way
>>> to anonymous posts, above all I suggest noone should reply by email to such
>>> a poster, (and I don't intend to say any more on the matter, either).
>
>
>C'mon guys, your "control issues" are showing.  I don't see that
>"wvenable" or "mprisco" is much more revealing to the net at large
>than "an6780".  Login names really tell very little about the person
>posting, and what they do tell has even less to do with the purpose of
>this newsgroup.  Suppose someone with a login "chris" or "kim" or
>"robin" from some public access site posts to the net.  How do I even
>know that your real names are Margot and Bill?  Pseudonym accounts are
>pretty easy to set up. 
>
>But does it matter? We know what we know of each other from what we
>post, and how we associate (over time) various postings with the login
>names.
>
You don't get it!  Had the poster told us more about herself
like her sex, at least, it might have been easier to help her
figure out why 1200-1500 calories wasn't leading to a weight loss.
So if someone is going to post anonymously they should at least
give adequate info!  Plus, it would be nice if they used a nickname
(which you can specify using the anon poster) so it wouldn't be
like talking to a wall and much easier to remember than anxxxx.
I think I said all of this in my original response....

Margot



--
--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:52:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:

>In article <Jan.22.16.15.31.1993.26214@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:
>>
>>>In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
>>>shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>My sympathies.  My husband, watching me scarf down 2 cups
>of spaghetti (4 bread exchanges, had 'em in reserve), also
>makes similar "some diet" comments.

The one thing that I really love about WW, is that my husband
is no longer on my back about what I eat!  He used to drive me
nuts - checking the fat content of everything and trying to decide
for me what to have.

Now that he knows that WW is in charge, he leaves me alone.  He
watches what I eat and says "Wow, I can't believe you can eat
so much and still loose weight."

I don't have to justify it to him anymore when I eat a piece of
real cheese or have some ice milk.  He knows that I'm following
the plan.  He tried to but in at first by telling me that I should
ignor some parts of the diet.  He didn't think I should eat any
of the fats, and he told me that I should stop eating at six o'clock
even if I had exchanges left, etc.

I told him that I was going to do this Weight Watcher's way,  not his
and when he becomes a dietician, then he can butt in.  Now that I've
lost 5 pounds, he is eating whatever I eat because he wants to loose
his spare tire.  :)

>A veteran WW'er gave me some good advice...she told me not to
>tell people I'm on the program, so as to avoid impolite
>comments about what I am or am not eating (none of their

Well, its too late for that.  Everyone in my office knows.  Everyone
is really nice and encouraging about it.  It was just that one
incident.  Its a good thing I told also because I inspired another
woman to join and we all encourage her and help her out.  She comes
to me for advice and motivation because she gets discouraged a lot
more easily.

I also wanted my co-workers to know because if everyone knows I'm doing
something, I'll be less likely to quit.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:01:22 GMT

In article <Jan.22.16.15.31.1993.26214@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:
>
>>In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
>>shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>
>>should treat them as your possession.  One thing that I would like
>>to pass along that I learned from OA is to stop beating yourself up

>What is really frustrating are the people who know that you're on a
>diet but they don't understand how the plan works, and every time you
>eat something that doesn't seem dietetic, they say "Some diet - whats
>that the Cream Puff diet?"  (This was what I heard from some guy when,

My sympathies.  My husband, watching me scarf down 2 cups
of spaghetti (4 bread exchanges, had 'em in reserve), also
makes similar "some diet" comments.

A veteran WW'er gave me some good advice...she told me not to
tell people I'm on the program, so as to avoid impolite
comments about what I am or am not eating (none of their
bloody business, for one thing).  WW is easy to "hide" as well;
a light lunch with business colleagues can be dismissed with
"I'm not that hungry at noon" or whatever. Lots of people
eat salads, right?

Hang in there.

Tracy
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:27:46 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

]...[

>
>But, I still need to know if I can carry exchanges over to the next day,
>and what should I do if I don't eat all my exchanges in one day - should
>I make myself eat them even if I'm not hungry?
>
>Yesterday, I only ate 3 protein exchanges, and I didn't realize this until
>10:30 pm.  My husband asked me if I had to make myself eat 2 exchanges
>worth of protein before I went to bed.  I said that I didn't know what
>WW would say, but it seemed like a stupid idea to me to eat so much,
>so close to bedtime, when I wasnt' even hungry.  So I didn't.
>
>Does anyone know what you're supposed to do in this case?
>
>

Yes, I know.  Never carry over the exchanges.  You are given a limit
for each day and you never go over that although it is ok to go
under, but it is recommended you not go under either.  The reason
for that is they feel if you go under you are more likely to get
hungry and go off the program.  And I don't think they would want
you to stuff right before bed unless you were hungry then it would
be ok to eat the exchanges you have left.  They are yours and you
should treat them as your possession.  One thing that I would like
to pass along that I learned from OA is to stop beating yourself up
if you happen to eat something you aren't suppose to eat.  Let go of
the guilt and get right back on program as soon as you swallow.  I
used to be like everybody else about that.  I would eat something
that wasn't on program and figure well I am off the diet anyway so I
might as well do it up good and eat everything I am not suppose to
eat.  Once I learned how to forgive myself for the indiscretion I
was able to keep myself from going on a giant binge.

Alma
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,rec.fitness
From: u4944@cray.com (Charles Hubbert)
Subject: Proform exercise machine
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:22:51 CST

My wife and I are semi-seriously looking for a piece of home exercise
equipment.  When we did have a gym membership she liked the treadmill
and I liked the bike.  Neither of us has experience with a ski-machine.
We saw parts of an infomercial about a treadmill with arms that move,
ala a ski-machine.  The machine was called the ProForm and I think
that they were associated with Weider somehow.  The price was $600.
Features included 0-8 mph, a calorie counter, electric incline.  The
arms, BTW, could be left stationary and did have adjustable resistance.
Does anyone have any opinions about this machine or machines for home
use.  We both are interested in weight loss at present.
Thanks...
-- 
Chuck Hubbert	u4944@techops.cray.com    tel# 313/574-8159
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:02:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) /  9:48 pm  Jan 25, 1993 /
>>the exact amount we should drink?  Is thirst, unlike hunger, always
>>an accurate indicator of what your body needs?
>
>Virtually always.
>
I'll give one exception.  I take Seldane for allergies.  This contributes to
a dry-mouth condition, where I'm *always* "thirsty".  This makes for interesting
times when bicycling or walking for long distances.

I think I know where every water fountain (and bathroom!) is on my walking
routes.  I bring my own water on the bike...

Pete Brooks
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: food
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:09:18 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1993Jan25.140714.14580@emr1.emr.ca> thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:
>Extreme? Say what?
>
>Even the newly enlightened Graham Kerr dishes out 6 ounces
>per serving, for *one* meal. Although I can't remember
>exactly, the Canada Food Guide recommends at least 4
>ounces a day.  I'd be curious as to the source of your
>comments.

From  what  I've seen of Graham Kerr's new show he hasn't the faintest idea
about  healthy  eating. If you want a satisfying low fat meal simply remove
the  oil/butter/cream  and  the meat from the dish. I now fry my onions and
garlic  in  water  then  proceed  as  per a normal recipe (I don't eat meat
anyway).  In  two  and  a  half  months I have lost 24 pounds. I now eat as
much  as  I  like  with  massive  amounts  of  pasta  and rice. I don't eat
anything  that  is  more than 4% fat by weight (I don't follow this %fat by
calories nonsense) and preferably under 1%.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,rec.fitness
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Proform exercise machine
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:16:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.092251.5206@walter.cray.com> u4944@cray.com (Charles Hubbert) writes:
>The machine was called the ProForm and I think that they were associated with
>Weider somehow.  The price was $600.  Features included 0-8 mph, a calorie
>counter, electric incline.  The arms, BTW, could be left stationary and did
>have adjustable resistance.  Does anyone have any opinions about this machine
>or machines for home use.  We both are interested in weight loss at present.

I saw the Infomercial and was intrigued by the machine, too.

Gart Bros, a local discount sporting-goods store had these machines in stock.
Here's what I found:

1. The treadmill motor was either hopelessly underpowered or totally worn out.
   It simply would not go at certain speeds ... you had to crank it up way
   fast before it would continue to go at the speed.  Considering that these
   machines haven't been in the marketplace that long, I was disappointed that
   this one was already dead.

   To be fair, a demo at Gart's probably gets some heavy use. But this did not
   meet with my expectations of a machine "built to last" that the Infomercial
   gave.

2. The arm tension adjustment does not work well. You have to apply lots of
   pressure to get it to a particular setting.

I'd guess that any sort of treadmill is going to require more mainenance than
simple resistance devices (bikes, rowers, Nordic Track, etc.). They certainly
are going to take more electricity! And I'll bet that you have to go with a
very high-end machine before you get something that's actually reliable.

Finally, I don't fundamentally trust anything from a Weider company...

--phil

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Yahoo!
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:41:26 GMT

Judy Frawley (jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.EDU) wrote:
> 
> Boy, I feel great.  I feel like finally I am able to start 
> something and stick with it.  I've been exercising regularly
> now for 4 1/2 weeks.  

Huzzah!  It takes about 4-8 weeks before you exercise really
starts feeling good and is easy to do everyday.

> I do have a question, though. I was having trouble eating
> when I broke up with my SO.  I literally could not keep anything
> down.  I started exercising as a way to boost my spirits and
> keep myself busy.  Then, I started eating again relatively
> normally but watching the fat.  Now, my appetite is decreasing.
> I feel okay; I'm just not hungry like I used to be.  Is this
> due to the exercise?  I know that it can reduce appetite, but
> I wonder how significantly it does.  

My own personal tale of appetite suppression was when I went for
a three day, 26 mile, urban-hike.  My appetite just shut down, almost
completely.  I could still eat, but I never got hungry.  It was weird.
We went at a slow pace, only 2 1/2 miles an hour so it wasn't like
we were going at a terribly aerobic pace.  

I think my body was somewhat stressed by the almost constant, but 
gentle exercise.  I sure learned a lot about the importance of having
really good shock absorbing shoes and good socks too.  I have pictures
of my bare feet covered with bandages and I could only manage a 
feeble hobble at the end of the walk.  Months later, my feet (my heels) STILL 
hurt a little if I walk around barefoot too much, and when I first
get up in the morning the first couple of steps hurt a lot.  :(
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Dedication
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:29:29 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Here's how I would handle it.  First of all, forgive yourself.  Say, "I made
a mistake, but I'm doing so incredibly well that it really doesn't
matter that much in the long run."  ('cause it's true).  Next time, get the
cake out of sight right away.  Wrap it up and put it in the fridge.  -Or-
make sure it's a low-fat cake.  I've had a wonderful chocolate angel cake
from Trader Joe's that only has 1 gram of fat per serving.

Good luck!

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: hitchens@math.utah.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Should I try Weight Watchers?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: hitchens@math.utah.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: RGI/Mathematics/U. of U.


 
Uh, okay, I'm new here and want to lose some weight.

Aboput 4-5 years ago I joined Nutri-system and did great-in fact lost more
weight in the year after I finished without trying. I also met my future
husband at that time and I think being in love helped.

Okay, so it says off pretty good. Then in the last year I get very stressed out
and inactive and gain back nearly all of it.

Instead of going back to where I started, like an idiot I went to Janny Craig,
and they had terrible food and no freedom of choice on food..anyway I wasn't
liking it, but at the same time became very ill with nasty migraine-type
headches of unknown origin.
Jenny Craig cheerfully put me on a "medical leave" good for one year-why not
they have my money.

Nine months or so later the source is rooted to not a brain tumor or the
million guesses, but an eye problem-now under control with special glasses. 

So, here it is almost exactly a year from when I started the Jenny Craig thing.
Should I go back? I remember the food as being icky and the control issue,
really, as being unpleasant. At NutirSystem I could pick my own food at least.
My downfall there may have been not finishing the maintenace period (but of
course you are very confident then that you don't nee it, after losing all the
weight). Or perhaps I should look them up again? Will they let me re-join
without paying again?

In any event, I feel like these programs are artificially amking these easy-not
having to shop for real food, etc., and _so_ expensive.

So I've been thinking about Weight watchers for some time, or getting a book
and trying to do diabetic exchanges.

Can someone out there please describe the program-I mean real issues, not a
sales pitch or testimonial.
How much, where, when, the basic M.O. and methods.

I want to do womething, but this time I want to be informed before I plunge!

thanks, 

and can I go by,

L. Hitchens

( I read some of the negative responses to anonymous postings, but I really
have had negative experiences with mentally unstable persons-needless to say I
have an unlisted number and don't believe in broadcasting my identity far and
wide).
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Step Aerobics (Was Re: a question or two.)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:42:30 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1j03bcINN9jh@golem.wcc.govt.nz>,
parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <63620128@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>>I have no problem with eating frequent small meals.  I do something like it
>>for the first half of the day.  (The evening is when I get into a large
>>meal; it works for me.)
>
>
>I read a magazine article which suggested that women fare better on frequent
>small meals rather than three big meals a day.  My problem is a small
>meal/snack often turns into a binge.
>
>
>
>
>Rachel                           "Supergoof!"
>                                    -  -
>                                    O  O
>                                      >
>                                     \_/


If you are hypoglycemic or diabetic you learn to eat like this all
the time.  I am diabetic and several small meals help me to keep
from being hypoglycemic and it helps me to stay on my food plan.  It
took me almost 5 years to learn that the doctors were right, maybe I
shouldn't be so hard-headed.

Alma