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From: jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was: Helmets)
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:21:08 GMT
Organization: Varco-Pruden Buildings

In article <1992Dec21.173256.2367@progress.com>, matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper) wrote the following:
>  Why should it be the manufacturer's resonsibility to educate the 
>consumer?  
>
>  1) Because people are stupid.  If someone has never used a piece of equipment
>before it is not unreasonable to expect that the maker would outline the *basic*
>safe methods of using it.
>
>  Man buys ladder.  Safety labels say not to extend it farther than the last
>two rungs on the ladder.  Owner complies and everything is fine.  reasonable
>safety label expectation.

Bullpucky.  Just because some people are stupid doesn't mean other
people should hold their hand.  If those stupid people want to use a
tool or anything else they ought to find out how to use the item.  They
ought to check with someone who has a ladder (yes, there are many) to 
check with them as to usage.  Those stupid people ought to take
responsibility for their own actions since most of the time those
actions are not sufficient to provide adequate protection to themselves.
I have no respect for someone who can't ask for help.

Now if the owner calls up the company and the company doesn't give them
help - that is a different story.  But most people know how to use a
ladder and the benefits of putting warning labels on a latter do _not_
outweight the costs of those labels.  The costs of protecting all those
stupid people who ought to be protecting themselves will become too much
for us to bear as more people stop thinking for themselves and start
blaming others for their own inadaquacies.
 
>  2) Because if they don't they'll be screwed like you indicate above.
>
>  Man's brother uses ladder to paint his barn.  Puts on foot of the ladder
>on a frozen cow pie.  As he works the sun melts the pie and the ladder falls
>over to one side.  Man breaks leg.  Man sues ladder company.  Man WINS!  Jury
>decided that the ladder company should have included a section about use on 
>possible frozen ground in manual.  (This is a *true* story from here in MA).

Unfortunately, I believe this is becoming the norm.  People blame
somebody else when they make a mistake to don't use good judgement.  As
far as I'm aware, no one has ever been forced to buy a ladder.  That
means, I, the consumer, are responsible for finding out how to use this
item effectively.  A company should provide such information on request,
but not with every item they produce.  The cost of providing
instructions on request is not going to be as high as providing even
minimal instructions as warnings with every item.

-- 
      Jesse W. Asher                                          (901)762-6000
                             Varco-Pruden Buildings
                 6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN  38119
    Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com                   UUCP: vpbuild!jessea
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GoldWings are darned interesting
Keywords: Local riding
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:47:45 GMT
Distribution: rec

In Message: <1992Dec29.141354.11612@ms.uky.edu>
johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.) asks:

>So now I'm wondering about getting a Gold Wing.  Most of the riding that I do  
>is local, however this is probably because the average temperature out since I 
>bought my bike a few months ago has been 40 degrees.  My question is how do  
>Gold Wings perform when you are just riding them around the city?  Do you need 
>a traveling AND a local bike to be a complete rec.moto stud muffin?
>
>John
--
I have a GL 1500 which is my only bike.  I don't do a lot of in-town riding
as I live on the edge of a relatively small town (pop. 50000) and work
is located in a non congested area.  My commute is 30 miles one way over
mostly country roads.  The bike is fine for the kind of daily riding that I
do and for the day trips that my wife and I take, it is really a joy.

It's wonderful to get to some destination, take off the helmets and
leather apparel and stow it in the saddlebags and luggage and be able
to lock things up.  We also really enjoy the nice clear intercom.
For long distance touring, the Wing is incomparable.

However, if I were doing a lot of boulevard type city riding where there
is a lot of stop and go, low speed riding, I would opt for something
else.  The Wing is a lot more nimble that it looks but I wouldn't want
to be manhandling it in city traffic day in and day out.


--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Personal to Bill Richard
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:48:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In e-mail, bill writes:
>(If your mailer cant find thelema.uucp try thelema!wjr@decwrl.dec.com)

Neither works.  Your number is #0780.

Send me a valid Internet address and I'll send you instructions for the
offical initiation rites (you *can* come up with a virgin yak, can't you?).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu)
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Bose Corporation
	<1gsqolINNt53@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> <1700@tekgen.bv.tek.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:12:02 GMT


	Its really hard for me to believe there are lots of cages traveling over
	100mph down any road in America, especially one that is heavily used.  Me
	thinks you are exaggerating.  Sounds like you need to pay more attention

This guy has apparently never driven on the Massachusetts Turnpike or
on I-93 between the New Hampshire border and Boston.

Driving at "only" 70MPH on a bike in the high speed lane here is an open 
invitation to have some dickhead (seemingly usually in a Saab) decide to 
blow by you on the left.  
--




--
Larry Beaulieu			beaulieu@bose.com
Bose Corporation		Phone: 508-879-1916 x6479
Framingham, MA 01701-9168	FAX:   508-820-4865	

		All flames gleefully ignored.
From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide?
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:05:33 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <1992Dec22.042225.9174@elektro.cmhnet.org>, by charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith):
> I wish I had problems like that - but I guess if I had problems like that
> I probably would quickly have even bigger problems.  Can you see 200 + MPH
> on an Ohio interstate?  :-)   :-)  Officer, it wasn't me - it was that
> other guy that went past me like a bat out of hell just a minute ago :-)
> 
> He did say that the turbo installation was only about another $5000 or so.
> How else can you go so fast for so little?
> 
> 
> Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
> MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
> BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
> 
>             {  Instructions for turbo installation kit  }

Hmmm, I think I'll get the spanners out this weekend and pull the
Turbo unit off my Fiat Uno.
That'll give the 125 a little bit more power.

Antony.
Bah. Humbug.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: winter dead bike
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 19:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.182719.14765@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>
>A 550 4 cylinder 

The 550 was a four cylinder? I must have been thinking of the 500 when I said
that it had two. Oops.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash)
Subject: Re: "Official" Squid bike?
Summary: Spagthorpe Afghan
Originator: dab@space3
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:04:18 GMT

>In article <1992Dec22.185012.4058@znext.cts.com> erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) writes:
>>	The question is: What is THE poser/squid bike?
>
In article <1992Dec23.144203.23824@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>If you're saying (poser,squid) bike, rather than (poser bike)/(squid bike),
>the answer is simple:  Spagthorpe Afghan
>I can't think of any other bike that looks great, handles exceptionally well
>on or off road, and has a turret mounted .30 caliber machine gun to boot.

No way.  The top speed on the Afghan in the single-wheel-drive on-road mode
is a mere 97 mph.  This is WAY too slow for an ultimate poser,squid bike.
Of course removing the gun turret halves the frontal area and reduces weight
by 25%.  This gets the top speed up but reduces the great looks and detracts
from the exceptional handling due to unfavorable sprung/unsprung weight 
ratio.  Besides, with California's lid law, you must remove the turban 
before entering the highway.  Poser,squids can not deal with the periodic
mudvalve maintenance, causing early failures.

Incidently, Spagthorpe Dalmation number 101 has been found.  It was covered
in coal dust and the owner all these many years thought it was a Spagthore
Labrador.
============================================================================
"No hour of life is lost that is spent in rapid fire mode." - J. Spagthorpe
    The Nashville Flash	  -   dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu   -   DoD # 412 
        ^^^^^^^^^(soon to be Colorado)

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: ZX-11, transmission
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.130756.1@sc9.intel.com> rcrandall@sc9.intel.com writes:
>Has anyone out there had problems with their ZX-11 transmission as I have.
>I'm interested in settlements with dealers, rectification, etc...

I don't even own a ZX-11.  How could you be having problems with it?





-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
                Celebrate the winter holiday of your choice by
                  offering your hand to someone who needs it.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Strangers on your bike (was: Protection for your bike)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:05:34 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Dec29.201726.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>,
mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been riding for 15 years and never once, to the best of my
> knowledge, has a stranger sat on my bike.  Frankly the possibility
> never entered my mind, but from reading some of the "protection for
> your bike" posts such behavior is not unusual in some parts of the
> world.  If I ever came out of restaurant to find someone sitting on
> my bike I'd probably get quite upset and would almost definitely get
> highly verbal with the person (if not physical).  My question is this:
> Are there any people out there who have had this happen to them on
> more than one occasion, and if so what is your reaction?  Polite, "Please
> get of my motorcycle." or an angry, "what the fuck do you think you're
> doing?"

I have a very bad attitude about other people sitting on my Harley.
(The BMW I don't mind so much.)

Three times.  Leaving a bar I saw a cute young thing straddling my bike.
I said "Get your ass off my bike."  She was shocked.  She was
accustomed to having her action interpreted as a come-on. 

Second time was a teenager trying it on, twisting the throttle,
flooding the carb.  I approached, he froze and his eyes turned
into saucers. I merely suggested that what he was doing was a bad 
idea -- that he'd get trounced by anyone else.  (You see, I was
once a teenager so I understand -- but I've never been a woman
and will _never_ understand their space.)

Third time was one of my neighbors and I was _really_ pissed 
because he also put on my original leather jacket (older than
he was!)  I was wild.  He left with the certain impression that
he'd be lucky to live to see 30.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Protection for Your Bike
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:51:43 GMT

Yeah, probably theft protection on insurance is the best way.

I did have a dream once about hearing my remote pager sound,
and running down the way to where my bike was parked (why wasn't
it where I was sleeping? Because my girlfriend lives in a trailer park (yuk)),
letting off a few .22 rounds at the perps and screaming obscenities.

The authorities might not be sympathetic with that path of action though.

For me, the best protection would be to get a state initiative going
eliminating the exclusion of motorcycles where cars are allowed.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com  (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902                  '92 Honda Nighthawk 250, DoD #44444, AMA 656940
"Those who know don't talk; those who talk don't know" - TTC 56, Onngh Yanngh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 01:47:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.231318.23995@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.195227.3643@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.132516.3503@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> wolf@merlin.mt.att.com writes:
>>>P.S.  I have been considering getting a BMW R100GS P-D, but that bike seems to
>>>be an apparition: everyone has heard and seen it, but no dealer seems to have one :-)
>
>>Not true.  Aloha BMW (a couple miles west of Portland) is carrying a new
>>1993 PD.  Folks you will not believe this, but BMW has come up with a new
>>color scheme that is absolutely ugly IMHO.  The new paint jobs make my now
>
>The old paint job wasn't ugly?

Now I've never actually said that the PD is a "beautiful" bike.  Without
considering paint lets's just say that it is a bike of character.  I have
often suggested that some colors seem to match this character better than 
other colors.  I personally loved the bumblebee paint scheme and would have
bought that one in a heart beat.  Given the choice of a mellow green or
something that looks like a pregnant candy cane, I opted for the green.

I question if any scheme involving lavender would "work" on the PD frame.
The snow white front ready for decoration with squished tadpoles and other
assorted fauna is open to serious question.  The large gravel decals on the
tank are simply ludicrous.

YOMV.

Ride Free,

Bill
________________________________________________________________
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Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:42611 talk.bizarre:42928
From: small@cirrus.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,talk.bizarre
Subject: What I got for xmas
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:07:23 GMT
Followup-To: ucla.rumor,talk.bizarre,ucla.rumor,dod.3b2
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA


 

What I got for Xmas

 

 

$25 Check                       from Aunt and Uncle Morton

 

Hallmark Keepsake Ornament      from Edward (friend of Family)

 

$20 Cash                        from <same>

 

$100 Cash                       from Dad and Step Mom

 

24k Gold Plated Brass

Calculator Case and

card Holder                     from Grandpa Tom

 

$50 Cash                        from Grandpa Tom

 

$25 Check                       from Grandma Small and Vic

 

Nice Leather Porfolio           from Mom and Step Dad

 

3 books of Life's Wisdom        from Mom and Step Dad

 

1993 Sports Illustrated

Swimsuit Calendar

(6th year tradition

 Maybe Mom's trying to tell

 me to get laid?)               from Mom and Step Dad

 

6 Fruit of the Loom M38-40

Crew Neck Tee Shirts            from Dad and Step Mom

 

3 Fruit of the Loom M34-36

Men's Briefs                    from Dad and Step Mom

 

3 No Fly Low Rise Briefs

Assorted Colors

(Maybe Dad's trying to tell

 me to get laid too?)           from Dad and Step Mom

 

Large Mens Gordini Ski Gloves

with Hi Loft Hoolow Fiber Fill

and Thinsulate

(I intend to use them as

 motorcycle gloves)             from Dad and Step Mom

 

1 Pair of Ski Socks             from Step Mom

 

1 Ski Hat

(boring black color but much

 less dorky looking than the

 green and orange monstrocity

 I bought last year)            from Step Mom

 

1 Ski Bib

(can you tell Oshman's was

 having a sale?)                from Dad

 

1 pair of Levi's 501 jeans

32 Waist 34 Inseam              from Step Mom

 

2 bags of 14.0 oz. Fun Size

Snickers bars                   from my little sister

 

1 Milk Chocolate Santa          from Step Mom

 

1 Smith Airflow PMT series

Ski Goggles                     from Dad and Step Mom

 

1 Hotheads Ultimate cold

weather face mask

(I intend to use as a neck

 guard for my motorcycle)       from Dad and Step Mom

 

$250 Check                      from Mom and Step Dad

 

 

 

-----

 

 

And now for you accountants out there.  I know if I post this to talk.bizarre

and I don't do it, someone else will

 

 

 

Total value in Cash and Prizes

               $470     ????

 

 

 

Ok, now take into account how much I spent for others this Xmas

 

              -$340

 

              -----

              +$130

 

 

Ok, now take into account the deductable on my bike for theft

 

              -$500

 

And take into account how much MORE a bike is going to cost versus what

USAA is going to claim it's worth

 

              -$500

 

 

----

 

THIS XMAS NET

 

              -----

 

              -$870  cash and $???? for prizes

 

 

NEXT POST:  My first quarter grades taking real Graduate Engineering classes.

 

 

 


-- 
I need what a formal education can not provide.
---
DoD# 2024
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: flp2m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Frederick L. Pauly)
Subject: Roma-MiniCycle, any one ever hear of it?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:44:38 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.autos.antique,ca.driving,rec.autos.driving
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Daley expected to head DOT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:22:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.185141.6737@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.153629.25237@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>the last several years has been to get a third major airport in Chicago.
>>The sites proposed so far have, at least in my humble opinion, completely
>>ignored air safety issues and shown disregard bordering on contempt for
>>general aviation in northeast Illinois/northern Indiana/southeast Wisconsin.
>>If Brother Bill's in charge of the DOT, I expect to see this project
>>moving forward much quicker.  Since the traffic they're trying to serve
>>would be better handled by a high speed rail infrastructure in the midwest,
>>the whole thing seems politically motivated.  But I guess Richie needs
>>the airport to get customers into his casino, the other big pet project.
>>
>>I'd expect Bill Daley's effect on the future of motorcycling to be pretty
>>neutral.
>>
>
>Another way *to* look at it is his brother is the mayor of one of the
>top three political power/populated cities in the U.S. in a state that
>does not have a helmet law. Not to mention a state that just elected the
>first black female senator, who I might add is in favor of decriminalizing
>marijuana use.

However, since Clinton selected an ex-mayor of Denver (I can't remember his
name) instead of Daley (I really enjoy it when the pundits are wrong), maybe
we should be talking about the guy from Denver instead.

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