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From: ketil@linerle.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: Linux asks, is BYTE dead?
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway
	<1992Sep29.193108.12410@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Sep29.221059.22697@mercury.unt.edu>
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:50:50

In article <1992Sep29.221059.22697@mercury.unt.edu> jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson) writes:

   Over the last 10 years BYTE has evolved from a magazine for enthusiasts
   to a magazine that mainly publishes reviews of pc's and pc applications.
   They may have an occasional article of interest but it is rare.

I used to read byte in the past, but now I find that only a small part
of the thing interests me...

   BYTE will make a very decent living publishing articles about the new
   clone of the month and the latest version of WordPerfect and Lotus 123.

..because of the above, right.  

   Expecting anything visionary out of a magazine that is just a poor
   buyers guide is silly.

So can you recommend another magazine that covers more *interesting*
(technical, hardware/software etc you know what I mean) subjects?

--
 = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =
 = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Re: Termcap question
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:19:38 GMT

>>>>> On 01 Oct 92 07:50:28 GMT, satishc@microsoft.com (Satish
>>>>> Chittamuru) said:

Satish> Basically, Elvis seems to think that one needs to wrap each IC
Satish> (insert character terminal escape) output with a preceding IM
Satish> (insert mode) and a succeeding EI (end insert mode).

Elvis is correct.

Satish> But the IM followed by IC is causing an extra space to be
Satish> inserted every time I insert a character. Removing the IM & EI
Satish> output seems to work just fine. Is this okay or are the IM &
Satish> EI really necessary along with some other fancy stuff?

This is a bug in the standard Linux console termcap entry.  IM, EI and
IC are defined such that if all have values, they are all needed to
insert a single character.  Since using IM and EI is generally faster, IC
should be left empty.

To quote from an ancient termcap manual page:

Most terminals with a true insert mode will not give ic.
--
Rick Sladkey
jrs@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll)
Subject: RE: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Originator: jcarroll@ferris
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:58:38 CDT


In article <718331242.AA00000@remote.halcyon.com>, Eric.Eskam@f234.n209.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Eskam) writes:
> >This months BYTE screams out asking "Is UNIX dead?".
> 
> > As always perhaps, money rules.
> 
> Yes, and unfortunatly, it is Micro$afts money that is talking in this
> instance.
> 
> Byte lost all my respect with that cover.  They are no different than
> any of
> the other Zif Davis Rags, and I have canceled my subscriptions for the
> few
> that I was subscribing to....

Last time I looked, BYTE was published by McGraw-Hill, also renowned as the
publisher of that trend-setter, Unix World.

And it's probably not worth flaming them here, because they won't even listen
to you flame unless you pay them for the privilege (i.e., on BIX).

Jeff Carroll
carroll@(rest | hernd | lem)on.cray.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K Johnson)
Subject: New stuff at tsx-11...
Reply-To: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K Johnson)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:43:32 GMT

#define L tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux
#define B tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/binaries
#define BUB tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin
#define BUBX tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin.X11
#define S tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources
#define SUB tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin
#define SUBX tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin.X11
#define PAT tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/patches
#define DOCS tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs

Well, I /had/ intended to get a lot more work done tonight, but this
afternoon, I was root while deleting files, listening to a CD, talking
to my fiance', and keeping track of a file transfer, and managed to do
an rm * in my /bin directory.  OOOPS!  Fortunately, this was a
blessing in disguise, because it forced me to get rid of binaries I
had had around since last year, and replace them with real ones.  Kind
of drastic way to do surgury, though... ;-)

So, here is all I managed to do at tsx-11.  Please don't be offended
if your package isn't up yet, I am doing them in random order, except
that I am doing smaller packages first to some extent, because disk
space is a little low, and uncompressing files takes some space...

SUB/Communications/mailpak-1.3.tar.Z

SUB/tcsh-6.02.diff.Z
SUB/tcsh-6.02.src.T.Z

L/packages/emacs-18.58/
		emacs-4.1.tar.Z
		emacs-etc-4.1.tar.Z
		emacs-shared-4.1.tar.Z

SUB/utree.src.tar.Z
BUB/utree.bin.tar.Z
	curses-based file manager

SUB/ka9qsrc.7.tar.Z
BUB/ka9qbin.7.tar.Z

Please Note:

I help /maintain/ the archives at tsx-11.mit.edu.  These announcements
that I make are announcements that I have taken things that someone
/else/ has written, and made them available for public consumption at
tsx-11.mit.edu, somewhere in the hierarchy /pub/linux.

I am /not/, unless otherwise explicitly stated, the one to contact
about bugs in the programs -- Please look through the files that you
get for the name of the author.  If program X has bug Y under
conditions Z, either mail the author, or post news about it.  Stuff
sent to johnsonm@stolaf.edu about it will generally end up in the
great bit home in the sky, as I just don't have time to act as a
middleman and pass on bug reports.  Sorry, but that's the way it is.

I do not guarantee that this is either complete or correct.  I will
try to use, as I have used, the subject "New stuff at tsx-11..." to
facilitate WAIS and other searches.

When you upload files to tsx-11, please put them in the incoming
directory, using binary transfer mode when appropriate (almost
always), and then mail ftp-linux@tsx-11.mit.edu and tell us that the
file is there, and what it does.
From: tiller@solace.me.uiuc.edu (Mike Tiller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: gcc2.2.d7 and iostreams
Keywords: iostreams g++ c++ gcc
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:27:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvo3Lw.7wn
Organization: University of Illinois

Maybe I missed something, but is it just me or does the
iostreams implementation under gcc2.2.2d7 not work.  I got
the jump tables and libraries and stuff, but when
I compile things like:

#include	<iostream.h>

main()
{
	cout << "Hello World\n";
}

I get undefined symbol cout.  Now it is apprarently in the
header files (As I would have expected) because I don't get
any compile time complaints, but when it links it says
something like

Can't find symbol _cout

And I looked in libg++ and sure enough, it isn't there.
Did I miss something...has anyone used the iostream stuff
with this release?

Mike
From: jem@vipunen.hut.fi (Johan Myreen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: X386 v2.0 with ET3000 + Logitech Series 9 mouse
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:51:00 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <TALVOLA.92Sep26114816@qin.Berkeley.EDU> talvola@qin.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Talvola) writes:

>Now, the mouse.  I have a Logitech Series 9, PS/2-Serial Model No. CE9-6MD
>mouse.  I tried plugging it into the PS/2 mouse port on my ALR BusinessVEISA
>machine, but Linux 0.97-pl5 doesn't seem to recognize it. So, I plug it into
>the serial port.  In Xconfig I have it set as a Microsoft Mouse (set as a
>Logitech, I got nowhere), and when X starts, as soon as I touch the mouse it
>jumps to the upper left corner.  Please, anyone with this kind of mouse, let
>me know how you set it up in Xconfig, please!!!!

If you plug it into the PS/2 mouse port, you should
'mknod /dev/psaux 10 1 c'. There is no support for the PS/2
mouse protocol in X, but you can use a conversion program to make it
look like a Microsoft mouse on a pty. This program is available at
least on nic.funet.fi, file pub/OS/Linux/kernel/ps2m097.tar.Z

I don't know what kind of protocol the mouse uses as a serial mouse,
but I doubt that it differs from the one used with the PS/2 mouse
port. If the protocol is the same, you can use the conversion program
with the mouse connected to the serial port too.

Work is being done on integrating PS/2 mouse support into XFree86.

--
Johan Erik Myreen
jem@cs.hut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram)
Subject: Xserver wont connect to clients (interr. syscall?)
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 08:49:02 GMT


Hi there,

I've been trying to build my own X11 server.
(I have an ega-card :-)

I used Xega (which really is a 16-colour vga-server, NOT ega)
and xsrc from zorst. The ega-card requires special programming, cause
it's registers are write-only (unlike vga) and the register setting
differs from vga displays (timing stuff).

After compiling a thousand files or so, I got myself the required
libs/object files and could link an X11 server.

When I start my server, it shows the regular stippled background
with an X-shaped cursor (which is incorrectly alligned, btw).
However, after starting, the server returns immediately.

So I started adding some debug statements in dix/dispatch.c (I know, very
ugly, but hey..)
I came to the conclusion, that I never get nready (clients ready)
other than 0. And after a few checks, I must get some sort of
dispatch exception, cause it leaves the while() loop.

Now If I start the server with xinit, the very same thing happens,
but, I also get two errors: errnr 3 and 4, being:
- No such process
- Interrupted system call

And if I press some keys right after starting up the server, I get another
behaviour. xinit tells me:
>Waiting for X-server to begin accepting connections.
>..
>..
>..
>..
>.unix_proto_create: can't get page!
>giving up.
>
>xinit: No such process (errno=3)
>xinit: Interrupted syscall (errno=4)
>Server failure


I used 2.2.2d shared libs.
Will this mess up things, if other stuff like twm and libX11.1.1 is compiled
with 2.2?

I am using 0.96+pl5, and the mousetest goes OK.
Also, I have libX11.1.1 and libXaw.1.1 in /lib

	Anyone who can help me out?

		if so, PLEASE drop me a line,

			Bram Stolk
			(another linux-worshipper, DYING to run X on his EGA)
			stolk@fwi.uva.nl

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Where is X11v2.0?
Organization: Borland International
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:22:57 GMT

genie@netcom.com (Gene Choi) wrote:
> Hark listen those interested in obtaining X11v2.0.
> Look under directory : /pub/linux/packages/x11/private/x11v2.0

Note that these files are a beta release, there are known problems in them
(some quite severe -- the generic vga (mono) server is broken, for example)
and they aren't even the most recent release from Zorst or the XFree folks.
The XFree folks should be releasing version 1.1 of XFree86 in a week or so
and Zorst will release a working version of the Linux binaries soon there-
after -- one that will not be in the "private" directory.

..Wayne..
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: top suid - security hole?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:46:35 GMT


My ps, top and stuff are suid. This is so they can read
/dev/kmem. Now top allows you to kill. With suid set
anyone can kill init ! Not a best sol'n. So where did I
go wrong ?
On my system at school top is also suid and kmem is 640.
But their top does'n allow killing - of course (or the
anarchist part of me would try kill -9 1 !)
Please answer : should I change kmem 644 or what ?

				Rafal
-- 
/|| " Numbers exist only in our minds. There is no physical entity that
 ||  that _is_ number 1. If there were, 1 would be in a place of honor 
 ||  in some great museum of science, and past it would file a 
==== steady stream of mathematicians gazing at 1 in wonder and awe. "
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Do we have an ``index'' function?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:17:00 GMT

lm@slovax.Eng.Sun.COM (Larry McVoy) writes:

>Here are some standard BSD -> SysV mappings.  Maybe someobody wants to take 
>these and start a bsd.h?  I'm sure there are many more.

>	#define	index	strchr
>	#define	rindex	strrchr

Please don't do this.  What if you have a struct with a member
called "index"?  You get foo->strchr, which causes an error if
you include the file that defines index after the file which
defines the struct.  It is better to do the following:

#define index(s, c) strchr(s, c)
#define rindex(s, c) strrchr(s, c)

------------
Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Great marketing (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Keywords: UNIX
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:48:59 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <BvB0JA.7tr@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <1a7gv0INNc35@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>:The leader of the Windows NT project is a guy named Dave Cutler
>:who worked for DEC before this job.  He was asked how doing this 
>:project was different from his earlier work.  He said ``it's the
>:same OS, but I've never seen such marketing''.
>:
>:Really: it's sickening to see the way the peasants are blindly
>:believing that Windows NT is the ``OS of the future''.  This when
>:it's as certain as plain daylight that Microsoft will never have
>:a market share as large as what it had in 1987, ever again, even
>:if Windows NT can ship before end-1993 and it can be free of bugs
>:and it can be worth using for anyone.  Remember these guys tried writing
>:DOS, Windows, OS/2.
>
>Unfortunately I fear you may be wrong.  Note the "Dec" above.  Windows NT
>is being targeted at the new Dec ultra-fast 64bit Risc line, which

Are you referring to the Alpha chip?  If so, the NT port probably ain't so
hot, as the Alpha chip is proverbially buggier than Maine in June.

>Microsoft will use as a stepping stone into the real computer
>market.

This isn't necessarily a Bad Thing.  It may force Microsoft to a) produce good
software and b) charge competitive rates. It may not, though.

>        Rumour has it that the Dec port of NT is actually ahead of
>the Dos version...  what i see happening is that people will be able
>to use this to move their software away from DOS and [345]86 architectures
>which will then die out, but Microsoft will survive because they're already
>heading in this new direction :-(

[345]86 platforms will die out?  No, I disagree.  DOS, maybe, but not the
hardware.

If Microsoft and DEC work together to port an operating system (that's reputed
in some circles to be not much better than MS-DOS), fine.  For all their work,
they're still far behind: look at Unix.  It's been running on everything from
Crays to 286 boxes (and below?) for a while now.

As I said before, all Microsoft *really* has is the marketing team from hell.

>
>G
>-- 

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: setserial for 0.97.pl6
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:49:17 GMT

   From: whitney2@husc10.harvard.edu (Wayne Whitney)
   Date: 26 Sep 92 21:34:21 GMT

   I'm running 0.97pl6 and just recently got a dumb terminal, so now I
   need setserial to set up my modem as 0x3e8 IRQ 5.  I grabbed the
   setserial.tar.Z from tsx-11.mit.edu under sources/sbin, and recompiled
   it, but the resulting binary complains that all of the ttys devices
   are busy when I try to change the settings (it reads the settings OK).

There's a bug in the serial code of 0.97pl6 regarding how IRQ's are
reset using setserial.  In order to get setserial to work, you will need
to apply the following patch.  I will be sending out a future patches
to the serial driver relative to pl6, so you should keep a copy ofo the
original serial.c around, or be prepared to manually apply a hunk or two
of the patch file, which shouldn't be too bad, in any case.

I've got a bunch of new changes coming down the pike, which should
significantly speed up the interrupt handler; this should improve serial
performance quite significantly on slower machines who don't have
16550A's. 

							- Ted

*** serial.c.old        Sat Sep 26 21:17:36 1992
--- serial.c    Sat Sep 26 21:21:43 1992
***************
*** 582,588 ****
                        sa.sa_flags = (SA_INTERRUPT);
                        sa.sa_mask = 0;
                        sa.sa_restorer = NULL;
!                       retval = irqaction(irq,&sa);
                        if (retval)
                                return retval;
                }
--- 582,588 ----
                        sa.sa_flags = (SA_INTERRUPT);
                        sa.sa_mask = 0;
                        sa.sa_restorer = NULL;
!                       retval = irqaction(new_irq,&sa);
                        if (retval)
                                return retval;
                }
***************
*** 608,613 ****
--- 608,614 ----
                if (ISR->next_ISR)
                        ISR->next_ISR->prev_ISR = ISR;
                IRQ_ISR[new_irq] = ISR;
+               ISR->irq = new_irq;
        }
        cli();
        if (new_port != info->port) {
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Ching-Hsiang Chen <chchen@stat.fsu.edu>
Subject: IDE w/ MFM or RLL?
Reply-To: chchen@stat.fsu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:48:06 GMT

This may not be a Linux specific question but I think some of our folks
here may have the answers. I am now using an IDE 105mb w/ its 55mb for
Linux. I got a RLL drive sitting aorund with dusts. I would like to
add this RLL drive as a partition of Linux. Has anyone succeeded in
mixing IDE and RLL? (or with MFM since I can trade one with my friend)

Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

Steve Chen                     chchen@stat.fsu.edu
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 22:08:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller) says:

>Look at AT&T.


one word.............fascists.
-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis    "ask me why and i'll die/and if you must go to work
Thieves Like Us      tomorrow/well, if i were you i wouldn't bother/for there
mal11@po.cwru.edu    are brighter sides to life/and I should know because I've
                     seen them/but not very often/am I still ill?"
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wyvern@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wyvern)
Subject: Some questions on linux fs and XDM
Summary: fs errors and system shutdown
Keywords: fsck, xdm, shutdown
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:16:19 GMT

Hi folks,

I have a few questions on the standard minix fs and the xdm binaries:

1.  Recently I realized two things; 1, that I had 80MB worth of unused space
    on my DOS partition, and 2, that I was running out of space on my (64MB)
    Linux partition. I solved this by destroying the DOS partition and
    creating two more - a 55MB DOS and a 55MB Linux extended fs, which I
    mounted on /var. At this point I moved everything in /usr/local, about
    12MB worth, to the extended fs on /var/local. This all seemed to work
    fine except that when I did a fsck on the main (non-ext) Linux
    partition, I received screenfulls of errors of various types, but by
    far the most common was something like

    Zone XXXX: Block marked in use, no file uses it.

    and some others like

    Unmarked block now in file xxx/xxx/xxx

    where xxx was as far as I could tell some random file located somewhere
    on the minix fs. I tried deleting these files, but the errors persisted
    merely specifying different files for xxxx. So, I fsck -r'd a few times
    and so far I haven't had any problems or noticed anything wrong.
    Is it normal for errors like this to occur fairly often (i.e. every few
    days) ? Usually when I fsck after having not done so for maybe a week
    I'll get two or three such errors. After I tarred up /usr/local and
    moved it to /var, the errors were of a much greater number. As I said
    everything seems to be working fine - I just wanted to know if these errors
    were fairly normal.


2.  When using XDM, what's the proper way to shut down the system? If I exit
    olvwm, I'm returned to the login widget, as it should be, but this poses
    a problem when I need to shutdown, sync, and reboot.  It doesn't do any
    good, from my experience to kill xdm with SIGTERM, as per the manpage;
    it just returns me to the login widget again. Also, given the fact that
    you have to disable the getty's in /etc/inittab, killing xdm wouldn't do
    any good since you wouldn't be able to log in after you did it.

    Also, is there any way to use xdm with the shadow passwd package?
    Obviously it doesn't work to look for the encrypted passwd in /etc/passwd
    when you're running shadow, which is what xdm does.

Thanks for any help, and thanks Linus!
From: ucosmo@mcl.ucsb.edu (Boris Burtin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Question about Linux patches
Keywords: patch
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:43:48 GMT

I just discovered the patches directory on tsx-11.  There is a README file 
that tells you what the patches are, but not how to apply them.  Can someone
give me a hint about this?

Also, if I am running Linux pl2 (from MCC) and I want to upgrade to pl6, do I
also need patches 3, 4, and 5?

Thanks,

--
     - Boris
(cosmo@cs.ucsb.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:52:28 GMT

Is there any Public-Relation professional on the net?

As an anarchy, we can't push the press without money. But there may
exist alternatives like sending press release to newspapers rather
than the over-commercialized professional magazines. The topic 
may be 

    "Will the Free Unix beat AT&T?"

or

    "Linus: the new King David"


Normal press release to your local paper or some national papers like
the Wall Street Journal would be good. If it fails, we have nothing
to lose.



Wen-Chun Ni


P.S. Sorry, my English is bad. Otherwise, I can do it myself for
our Brown Herald ;-)
From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 30 Sep 1992 15:50:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

mirons@ccs.northeastern.edu (Michael A. Irons) writes:

>He says that they have it at foxboro Co. He also said it costs an arm & a leg
Not true.  I got Lotus 123 for the Sun at the USC bookstore
for $135.

Lotus ships 123 for all major Unix platforms.  Ditto for Wordperfect.

If they can be convinced (a) that the installed base of Linux is
large and (b) that there is nontrivial binary compatibility across
OS changes then they will port applications.  The same holds for
the GNU OS and BSD.

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux