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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Yes, Gays are no more promiscuous than straights, right
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:33:34 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

One of a number of articles in soc.motss that shows how normal
and AIDS concerned the gay community is...

In article <1992Jul23.011853.8668@tandon.com>, tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
# #Scary stuff. At this rate I might never have sex again. I might never
# #come out of doors.
# 
# It *is* scary... especially for those who formed close
# relationships, got tested every six months, and then began to
# have unprotected sex after a couple or more negative results.
# 
# My current lover has a pretty good solution which I think we
# will both keep up... always assume that your partner is HIV+
# and you will probably not forget to practice safe sex.
# 
# I was visiting out of town this weekend, and I was apalled by
# the number of people who wanted to have unsafe sex with me in
# the clubs... One bear of a man complied with my slight push
# and shaking of my face, but I had to repeatively push another
# man away and even then he seemed to be making moves to catch
# my semen in his hands to taste it... dumb, dumb, dumb!
# 
# 
# -- 
# Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
# Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
# Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
# [The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: More on Horton, beating around Bush
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:57:33 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
/tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes) writes:
/> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
/|> >Look.  Bush and the Republicans *never* did any Willie Horton ads.  But 
/|> >most of us are adults here. We know exactly how the "Republicans for Bush" 
/|> >and other groups work like that work, don't we?
/|> Can we drop Willie Horton already?  Al Gore addressed the furlough issue,
/|> mentioning the Horton case, but you say that was fair.  George Bush (or his
/|> cronies, whoever) brought up the same issue, same case, yet you say this 
/|> was a low blow, if not racist.  And why?  because the ad showed Horton's
/|> picture.  Why is this a big deal?  BECAUSE HE'S BLACK.  If he were white,
/|> I suppose all of you not-by-the-color-of-their-skin-but-by-the-content-of-
/|> their-character liberals wouldn't mind as much.
/Because if he were white, the Bush campaign (and friends) wouldn't have run
/the ad. (Absolutely my personal opinion based upon my belief that Bush desired
/to use race as an issue in the campaign).
	But does his race make his actions while he was on furlough
irrelevant? Is it okay for someone who is a minority to tie up a man's
girlfriend and a man, rape the girl, and shoot off the man's genitalia
whereas if Horton were not a minority, it's not?

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
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From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: College Pranks (Was Re: Vacation Time!)
Keywords: Ditch Day, vanishing room
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:15:16 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Jul23.103631.22708@wvus.org> art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen) writes:
>>>>egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a story from Caltech about a student who left for the week
>>>>> to visit his girlfriend.  His friends got a lot of plaster, and made
>>>>> his dorm room door vanish; they even installed some wiring, and put
>>>>> a lamp where the door was.  When their friend returned to find
>>>>> the wall, they denied knowing who he was, as sort of existentialist
>>>>> prank.
>
> ... A similar stunt was carried out to get back at a particularly grouchy
>and unfriendly-towards-undergrads staffer.  The perpetrators located her
>parking space, and made it disappear by repainting all the white lines
>in the 10-car lot.  Not a pleasant thing to come back to on a Monday
>morning!

A friend of mine who had gone to CalTech was full of stories like this, but
one I remember in particular he said had happened NOT at CalTech but where
he'd gone for undergraduate work.  He said that in one of the dorms there
was a stairwell to which all the doors opened inward.  (The door to outdoors
opened into the stairwell, and the doors from the stairwell to each floor
also opened into the stairwell.)  One Prank Night the stoonts got the doors
closed for the first few flights, then turned on the fire sprinkler just in
the stairwell.  It filled up a couple of stories.  The water pressure pre-
vented the lower doors (including the door out) from opening, and the stoonts
went to upper floors via other stairwells and went snorkeling in the flooded
stairwell.  The admin had to call the fire department to pump out the stair-
well from an upper-storey window.

Not nearly as imaginative was the time a FOAF in my college got fed up with
all the partying in her hall during final exams.  She got some climbing rope,
tied the doorknobs of her loud neighbors together (all the doors opened in-
ward), put her stereo's speakers out into the hall, and at 3 AM, played the
1812 Overture at full volume.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244   ------------------------------+
|   "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then there will be   |
|   peace."					-- Anon.		      |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Subject: Re: Baker to join Bush campaign
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: tub
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:24:19 GMT

In <1992Jul21.174118.27480@udel.edu> lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:

>Great. One of the few people in the Bush Administration that I have
>any respect for, and they have to take him out of office. Especially
>now, with the possibility of progress being made in the Mideast with
>the new government. Well, Bush is just showing what we knew all along:
>he really doesn't care what happens, as long as he's President.

My fantasy scenario is that Baker tells Bush the Middle East is more
important now than his re-election and keeps up the good work there.
Then, Clinton wins, and asks Baker to be his special Middle East
envoy.

"The prospect of Mr. Baker's possible departure from the State Dept.
has all the parties in the Middle East nervous, particularly the
Arabs, who have come to appreciate his evenhanded approach."
(International Herald Trib. for Wednesday the 22nd)

I say Bush could show some *real* leadership and let Baker do
a job which might have some *long-lasting* influence on the
state of the world, rather than Bush's "I'll do anything to 
get re-elected."

Hey, I can dream can't I?

Andrew
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Deficit expected to be lower than predicted -- A First??
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:46:14 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

>UPI reports:

>	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The federal Office of Management and Budget
>lowered its forecast Thursday for the budget deficit for fiscal 1992,
>estimating the annual shortfall at $333.5 billion.
>	The Bush administration had projected in February a $399.7 billion
>budget deficit.
>	Fiscal year 1992 began last October and ends Sept. 30. On Wednesday,
>the Treasury said the deficit in the nine months elapsed in the fiscal
>year -- a period running Oct. 1 through June -- stood at $227.74 billion.
>	The OMB estimated the 1993 deficit will run at $341 billion.

This has something to do with funding the S&L bailout, or lack thereof.
But anyway, the REAL deficit, if we include all the silliness is closer to
$500 Billion this year, anyway...

 -Steve
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 The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
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     Steve Adams                              Fax:   (312) 329-3558
From: jw5x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: cornell.talk.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: National Debt?
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:50:17 EDT
Distribution: cornell,talk
Organization: Cornell University

Does anyone out there have info on the size of the national debt before Reagan
took office, and then before Bush took office? I'm trying to get together some
stats for campaign literature. BTW, according to the MIT server, the national
debt hit 4,000,000,000,000 on Tuesday, with every American citizen owing
about $15,700. And I thought my college loans were bad :-(
                                      
Mark Hyman              Cornellians for Clinton
Cornell University      "If Bill Clinton had been elected four years ago,
                         some of your friends might still be in college."





                                                                           
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:45:01 GMT
	<1992Jul22.025917.19315@panix.com>
	<1992Jul24.071449.12460@oracle.us.oracle.com>
	<1992Jul24.144132.27936@panix.com>
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: gcf@panix.com's message of 24 Jul 92 14:41:32 GMT

gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
|A well-run blockbusting campaign does not result in
|cheap housing for minorities.  The point is to get the
|bigots and those non-bigots who fear for their real-
|estate values to sell cheap, and then jack up the prices
|for the minorities.

Which, studies show, is exactly what happens (I outta know, it
happened in my neighborhood--watching White flight happen all around
you is an incredibly fascinating experience:  it moves exponentially).
--
Peace.
           "Love is like a snowmobile rushing across the tundra and then
            suddenly it flips over pinning you underneath.  At night, 
            the Ice Weasels come."
                                    -Matt Groening, "Love is Hell"
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
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From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Deficit expected to be lower than predicted -- A First??
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:53:06 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

UPI reports:

	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The federal Office of Management and Budget
lowered its forecast Thursday for the budget deficit for fiscal 1992,
estimating the annual shortfall at $333.5 billion.
	The Bush administration had projected in February a $399.7 billion
budget deficit.
	Fiscal year 1992 began last October and ends Sept. 30. On Wednesday,
the Treasury said the deficit in the nine months elapsed in the fiscal
year -- a period running Oct. 1 through June -- stood at $227.74 billion.
	The OMB estimated the 1993 deficit will run at $341 billion.


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Ross is Gone!
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:17:50 GMT

In article <36260@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman) writes:
>Well, I'm back from the land of the strike, the land down under.
>
>It was interesting watching Perot's campaign come apart while I
>was down there, but unfortunately I think much of what was
>said at that time seems to have expired off my system. What happened
>to the Perotistas? Pye and Davis, the worst of that bunch, seem to
>have disappeared off the net altogether, or at least out of this newsgroup.
>Did they have any comments on Perot's move? Both of them claimed
>that they were in a movement for which Perot was an incidental 
>candidate. Any sign of a resurgence with a different candidate?

Not one word from Pye or Strats.  Sad really, someone should send
them mail to see if they haven't gone off to the wilderness after
their lost god.  Sackcloth and ashes, and some self-flagenation
to call Ross back to this earth.

The so-called movement is breaking-up, I think.  It was, in the
end, a cult of personality.  There's very little chance for
a third party to emerge from the wreckage, because Perot's supporters
were so disparate.  There was no common, unifying theme beyond Perot
and resentment.

I heard that Bill the Cat has climbed past the lingering Perot
supporters in the polls.  George and Bill should watch out.



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: Re: TSONGAS: Convention speech text
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:15:11 GMT

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.125436.26302@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>>> ...
>> Gore brought up the furlough issue but he never used (or knew) the name(s)
>> of these furloughed.
>> Bush and the Republicans used Horton's name.
>	That's a lie.  If you have proof, earn $50 by sending me a video of the
>commercial.

Contrary to what most Republicans think, campaigns are not comprised soley
of commercials.... ;)

---------------------OS/2 v2.0 -- It's heeeeerrrreee!!!!!-----------------------
James C. Barrett (barrett@cc.gatech.edu)| "I'm speechless...               
Georgia Tech College of Computing       |      I am without speech." - George
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From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.men,soc.women,alt.censorship,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:51:34 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul23.231308.11598@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM> scc@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Stephen Carlson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.211814.3023@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>>     monsters-as OTHELLO THE BLACK MISCEGENATOR [emphasis mine],
>>     Shylock the Jewish usurer... [quote from Posner's LAW AND
>>     LITERATURE]
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[...]
>
>>                        Although nauseating little statements like "the
>>black miscegenator" display the racism at the heart of law and
>>economics, 
>
>Just curious:
>
>	Why is it that you do not also call Posner an anti-Semite?

Because here the locus of anti-Semitism is in Shakespeare and in the
book from which Shakespeare derived The Merchant of Venice.  Shakespeare
portrays Shylock as a comic villain and although the portrayal is deeper
and more nuanced than other Elizabethan portrayals of Jews, owing to
Shakespeare's genius, a comic villain is different in kind from the
tragic hero that Othello is.

Posner's racism causes him to believe that dramatic artistry is needed
in Act 1 of Othello to redeem Othello from being a "monstrous black
miscegenator" whereas the only sort of people who had problems with
Othello's "miscegenation" were those with a proprietary interest in
Desdemona: Desdemona's dad and her frustrated swain Cassio.  And, of
course, latter-day crypto racists from America.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: Re: Character issues DO matter (sometimes)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
	<1992Jul20.152516.3870@tss.com> <3977@news.duke.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:20:55 GMT

In article <3977@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>I don't criticize him for "not inhaling" but if he
>really wasn't going to smoke grass, he could've taken a more courageous
>stance by -- shall I say it -- just saying no.

	Yeah, and until recently, Bush was using Halcyon.  Something
with much more extensive mental health risks... Ah, well

	-rj
--
Ranjan Bagchi:   Di.sigsgvirusuise                 Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Electoral College w/o Perot
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:20:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.235330.10636@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs) writes:

>Any time you vote Democrat or Republican, the Government gets re-elected.
>Sure, they'd rather have Bush than Clinton, but they're both better
>for the Status Quo party than Perot, and he would be a lot better for
>them than the Libertarians (or the New Alliance, or the US Taxpayers Party,
>or the America First Populist Party (David Duke's old cronies), or
>just about anybody else.)

Why?
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Subject: Re: Congress and the balaced budget scam
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:02:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.182629.11705@oakhill.sps.mot.com> dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) writes:
>
>the voters only do the most rational thing under the system.  the
>seniority system of the congress lets the most re-elected reps.
>decide who gets the pork.  a voter deciding not to re-elect
>their rep. gets punished by the "system" by getting less for their
>tax dollars.  
>
>the seniority system was established by guess who, the previously
>elected reps!  they are the ones to blame.  unfortunately, they
>are the only ones who can change the system (SOBs).  i suggest
>that everyone ask their rep., "If it is *patriotic* to put the
>needs of their district above the needs of the United States
>of America?"  that should put them in a nice dilemma:)  then
>vote the bastard out. 
>

This doesn't make sense.  In the first paragraph you say that voters
choose to elect officials based on how much pork comes back to the
district.  Yet in the second you think voters should ask their
rep. if it is partiotic to put the needs of the district ahead of the
needs of the country.  These two actions on the part of the voters are
mutually exclusive.  I don't see the reps. being put into a dilema but
rather the voters.  How many voters are going to write their reps.
saying "I think they should close down that military base is our
district because I don't see any rational reason for it and the country
would be better off without it"?  If voters behave according to the
first paragraph, none will write.  But if they behave according to the
second paragraph all will write.

Paul.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:55:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <36881@ttidca.TTI.COM> kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.184625.7729@infonode.ingr.com> haefner@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner) writes:
>[---]
> Hey, I'm not saying Clinton is the best choice. He's the ONLY choice. Yeah,
> I wish Clinton's wife was running (she's one of the top 100 lawer's in the 
> country rated by the American Bar Association), or even Gore. But the 

Oh great, just what we need a lawyer for president!

-- 
Richard Crisp         Cupertino, Ca.         crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk    "what, me worry?"    (408) 253 4541 fax

To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.
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From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Fable on Aids
Date: 27 Jul 1992 22:54:47 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

Richard Foy) writes:
|>                                 God's Help
|> 
|> God looked down on his Planet Earth. He reflected on the creature who he
|> had created in his own image. He thought about the gift he had given that
|> creature, who had called themselves men. Free will, was it a blessing or a
|> curse. He was disturbed. He thought how man had defied his will. He
|> reflected on what to do.
|> 
|> AIDS appeared on earth. It first appeared amongst those who preferred
|> sexual relations with their own kind. But the Shakers and Movers did
|> nothing. For they knew that it was God's will.
|> 
|>	....
|> 
|> Then it appeared amongst those who, in the eyes of the S and Ms, had not
|> sinned. The S and Ms started to do something. But it is late.
|> 
|>	....
|> 
|> Then another new form of the AIDS virus appeared. This one was airborne. It
|> spread like the flue virus of World War I. It came for the self righteous
|> and the Shakers and Movers. It spared almost no one. But it spared a few. It 
|> spared those who had lived in accord with God's plan. It spared those who
|> lived their lives with compassion for others. It spared those who respected
|> all of God's creations. It spared those who read God's record for
|> themselves. It spared those who judged not. It spared those who lived
|> according to God's plan. For these were all one and of one mind. They knew
|> that God spoke to them through there own inner voice and not through the
|> words of the self righteous.
|> 
|> God looked down on Planet Earth and liked what he saw.
|> 
Athiest's need not apply?  Richard takes the same position he is lampooning.
AID's is a punishment for those that do not believe as he does.
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