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Subject:      Handicap Digest # 2945

                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2945

                         Tuesday, September 29, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                               HISTORY SEMINAR
                             Re: driving lessons
              Input device for Severely Cerebal Palsied Person
             Wedding cake toppers w/bride & groom in wheelchairs
                            Re: ada and computers
                         Re: rights of the disabled
                       Help from parents and teachers
                     Auto Hand Cantrol Recommendations?
                                sign language
                National Association for Job Search Training
                       When/where is Closing the Gap?


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Subject: HISTORY SEMINAR
From: FCTY7310@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA (Gary Woodill)

[Forwarded from the Disability Research List]

The fourth annual seminar on "Current Research on the History of
Disabilities" will be held in Toronto at Ryerson Polytechnical
Institute, Nov. 13 and 14 (AM) in Room A344. Cost is $40 for
coffee, lunch and registration. The idea of the seminar is to
present and comment on work in progress on the history of
disabilities. Graduate students, faculty members, and members of
the disabled community have participated in previous seminars.
Numbers tend to be 20-30, which makes for a very informal and
personal experience. There are many accessible hotels in the area
of Ryerson, which is located in downtown Toronto.  A special
feature of this year's seminar will be a presentation on ALTER -
The International Society for the History of Disabilities, based in
Paris.  Two or three members of ALTER from France are expected to
attend. To register, send the following to Gary Woodill, School of
Early Childhood Education, Ryerson, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto,
Ontario, Canada M5B 2K3:

A cheque (US or Canadian funds) for $40 payable to: History of
Disabilities Network

Name, Address, Phone, Fax, Affiliation

Title of presentation if you wish to present a paper.



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Hotels should be contacted directly. The following are within two blocks of
Ryerson:

Delta Chelsea Inn - (416) 595-1975
Hotel Ibis - (416) 593-9400
Bond Place Hotel -(416) 362-6061




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Subject: Re: driving lessons
From: timpson@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ron Timpson)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.


Shelly,

Your best bet I believe would be Calif. Dept. of Rehabilitation.
This is especially true since you need to be able to drive to
obtain and hold a job.  Check with your rehab counselor.  I
assume that that is who did your evaluation.

                                          Good Luck !
                                          Ron T.

--
Ron Timpson   timpson@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com
These are my opinions and judgements only and in no way reflect any concurrence
or endorsment by my employer, Lockheed Corporation.




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Subject: Input device for Severely Cerebal Palsied Person
From: mckeeby@seas.gwu.edu (Jon McKeeby)
Organization: George Washington University

I am currently looking for an input device for a friend of mine
that is severley cerebal palsy.  She has limited control over her
hands and feet and currently the most stable input device she has
is her nose.  This to me would seem to be a very difficult way to
type into a computer but she is doing alright at it.  However, she
is getting tired of banging her head into the computer keyboard.
She has a 64 K dos based machine, I believe it is a either a SANYO
or a SONY and she is currently using WORDSTAR or WORD2000 as the
wordprocessing package.

If you have any suggestions, please write to my email address
because I am only able to read the newsgroup on Wednesdays and do
not want to miss any replies.

email: mckeeby@seas.gwu.edu

Thanks in advance.





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Subject: Wedding cake toppers w/bride & groom in wheelchairs
From: dwilkins@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Dawn Wilkins)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA


If anyone knows where I can purchase wedding cake toppers with both
the bride and groom in wheelchairs, please let me know.  My sister is
to be the Matron of Honor in a wedding next spring where these toppers
are needed.  I've made a number of phone calls and it seems none of
the normal cake decorating distributors carry these.  The only thing
the bride has asked of my sister is to find these cake toppers -- and
we haven't even had a good lead yet.  Thank you for any suggestions.

						Dawn




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Subject: Re: ada and computers
From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)

There's an ada-law list which you may already be subscribed to.
Additionally if I read past posts on this list correctly the
concerns with gui's and speech synthesis can for some of the blind
population go into psychological areas.  The reason for this is
that being sighted is not a knowledge based situation but more of
an experiencial situation.  Those who are congenitally blind for
example only know of colors through associations with other words.
If I am any reliable example of the congenitally blind experience I
can tell you that we don't normally think in color since we haven't
experienced it it doesn't make sense to waste mental band width on
it.  Now those of us who did come into the computer revolution with
speech synthesizers have had less than 30 years to do it while the
sighted community had much longer to go from medieval communication
methods to the computer age say about 200-300 years and that much
more time to become acclimated to the necessary changes.

So there's naturally going to be adjustment problems.  Most of our
interface has been through character based communications with
speech synthesizers since the speech synthesizers aren't
intelligent enough to describe graphics in words yet and because in
many situations computers have neither the speed or memory required
to run such a program with additional overhead that this
descriptive capability would require.  One of the reasons this is
the case is that dumb speech synthesizers have been marketed (those
synthesizers that use the computer's memory instead of bringing
their own onboard memory with them).  Some smart synthesizers are
on the market but for the most part most synthesizers are dumb.

I was with a sighted friend yesterday and she was trying to use her
microsoft mouse with drhalo3 for the first time.  She was
complaining that the mouse was entirely too sensitive.  Earlier
speech synthesizers didn't support mice and some still don't.
Another concern I have with relation to gui's is that they'll be
very nonstandard and this on top of the color problem will give us
the possibility of getting something done but without sighted
assistance never really knowing how well it was done.  When the
sighted assistance comes in and gui's are considered an essential
job function your independence vanishes on the work site.  In fact,
for insurance sake the gui work you are given in the beginning will
probably be delegated to sighted co-workers in the future for these
reasons.  If it will be possible to use a language like postscript
to construct other files some of the work may be able to be done.
Then there's the problem of perspective as in painting.  You see
for blind to competently work in and with graphics they must know
and have experienced the same kind of visual experiences
you have that makes it possible for you to do your work as well
as you do it.

For example drawing a human face on paper does not work if you
trace a design that is close to what you think a human face is.
You have to start by drawing an egg shape and then go from there.
My grandfather was an artist so that's the only way I even know
that much and I'm rather certain if you stopped several blind
people on the street and asked each of them how to technically draw
a human face they probably couldn't tell you.  WhY?  Well the
congenitally blind never did that and even if they had done it they
would have had to take the word of someone who was sighted as to
the quality or lack of quality of the finished work.  Maybe I'm
missing something, but not that many blind people that I know of
have really gone deeply into the windows type environment yet or if
they have they haven't shared their experiences on this list yet.

<dashiell@nadc.navy.navy.mil>
I majored in programming not typing!




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Subject: Re: rights of the disabled
From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)


It sounds like you need to start talking to the Equal Employment
Opportunities Office as soon as possible.  There could be
discrimination occurring in your employment situation now and as
you say if you wait it will probably only get worse from here.

<dashiell@nadc.navy.navy.mil>
I majored in programming not typing!




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Subject: Help from parents and teachers
From: GRS00010@appstate.edu (Shannon Adams)
Organization: Appalachian State University

	I am doing a paper on family involvement in the IFSP and IEP
processes.  I would appreciate any response from parents or teachers
with children who have disabilities.  If you are a parent, what is the
age of your child?  Do you feel that professionals who develop your
child's IFSP or IEP involve you in the process?  Is your opinion
equally valued?  In what ways are you involved?  If you are a teacher,
how do you involve parents in IEP or IFSP?  I greatly appreciate any help.
Please e-mail any responses because I do not read this newsgroup frequently.
--
Cecilia Adams
GRS00010@stat.appstat.edu
GRS00010@appstate.bitnet



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Subject: Auto Hand Cantrol Recommendations?
From: dnmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Neal Miller)
Organization: The Ohio State University

My wife would welcome any suggestions for automobile hand controls.

She's currently using a sturdy but clunky twist-to-accellerate,
push-to-brake hand control by Wells-Engberg which has served her
well over the years. It's rugged and uncomplicated, both positives.
But it's quite bulky, rattles even when tightly attached, tends to
get in the way of drivers using the foot pedals, and--most
seriously--takes a great amount of torque to accellerate. Actually,
this seems to vary according to the geometry of the specific
vehicle.  We've two identical controls, both in large American cars
of non-recent vintage.  In one it works with moderate-to-strong
twisting pressure; in the other it requires too much twisting
pressure to be useful in other than emergencies.  The long and the
short of it is that we're in the market for hand controls.

Has anyone a hand control which he or she would especially
recommend? or a brand to avoid?  Post to the net, please, or reply
by e-mail and I'll summarize to the net.

Many thanks in advance.


--
David Neal Miller

Internet: miller.3@osu.edu
Bitnet:   miller.3@ohstmail




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Subject: sign language
From: galaxy.nsc.com!pad@voder.pa.dec.com (Paul Denny)
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

Does anyone know what sign language is used
in England? My wife is taking a course in
the US which says that Europe uses a version
which spells out words with letters but from
what we saw on tv when we lived there this
didn't seem to be the case.

Many thanks in advance

 - paul

PS please email I will summarise if anyone
asks me to.




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Subject: National Association for Job Search Training
From: DKHOWA01@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Drema Howard)

This was forwarded from the "JobPlace (Self Directed Job Search
Techniques and Job Placement Issues" <JOBPLACE@UKCC.BITNET> mailing
list by Patt Bromberger <patt@squid.tram.com>

  Does everyone on the list know about the National Association for
  Job Search Training ? The purpose of NAJST is to provide opportunities
  for professional development and networking among those in the field
  of self directed job search training.  Members come from a cross section
  of people who are trainers; career counselors in education, private
  practice, government, professional associations; outplacement;
  job placement; directors and administratirs of Job Search Programs,
  researchers, authors of job search books and publishers of job search
  materials.  The membership fee is $30 .  I understand that there will
 be a national conference coming up..not sure of the exact date but I'll
 let everyone know, if there is interest.  If anyone out there is interested
 in becoming a member or has questions you can contact the national office
 at 317-257-6578..or write to Larry Stevenson, Membership Chair at the
 NAJST office, P.O. Box 30397, Indianapolis, Indiana  46230-0397.
............just tell them you heard about it on JobPlace through Drema.
----------------
  On to other topics:

    Has anyone read Thinkertoys by Michael Michalko yet ? I've just
started this book and I think it is an excellent resource for those of
us who prefer to present out material and live our lives with a creative
bent.....He give some good exercises and ideas that are very relevant to
job search issues....might want to take a look at this one. I think it's
a gem.

   Lately I've noticed that more employers have been asking for the names
and telephone numbers of references rather than letters of reference. Is
this the current trend ? Is anyone else finding this is also the case
in your area ?  If so let us all know  on the JobPlace List....perhaps
we're seeing some shift in reference requests.

   Are you keeping up with the latest Dagwood and Blonde comics. Great
material for making a point about career changing, nontraditional jobs
for men who come from traditional worlds...I also find that Calvin is
also a wonderful source of good "food for thought" ideas that can be
fun ways of making points in a workshop

  Is anyone out there working with individuals with disabilites. I am in
the process of developing services for this population and would be
interested in any books, magazines, resources that would help me plan
and coordinate such a program and service. Anyone got any ideas to help
me ?

 It has been some time since I've seen any words come across the JobPlace
screen.....but we now have 301 subsribers.....what are you thinking out
there....what ever it is then why not put it in print so the rest of us
can think along with you.....and talk about the issues, concerns or new
ideas were bouncing around in our own little isolated settings.

Please some of you out there just make my day and say something.....
anything....so we can get some conversations moving. I know we're a
new list but surely something is happening out there in the LAND OF
JOB SEARCH........or is it ?

I'll look forward to hearing a lot of responses. Until then,
  Drema Howard , University of Kentucky






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Subject: When/where is Closing the Gap?
From: NU079509@VM1.NoDak.EDU (Brett Person)
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

When is closing the gap scheduled in Minneapolis this year? Where
is it going to be held?

Thanks




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