HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:00:42 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.072817.381@resonex.com>
michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) continues to function:

>In article <1993Jan21.115306.4305@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <1993Jan20.101331.11070@resonex.com>
>>michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:

>>>[Or perhaps this strange problem
>>>stems from that recent night where the number of men just couldn't
>>>be counted reliably...  ;-)]

>>Sounds inordinally sinful to me.

>Oh, most certainly!  However, although the action was
>continuous, I was discrete.

Clearly, a man apart.  But I'm sure your delta was greater
than zero.  The action was probably piecewise continuous,
eh?  Love those real functions, I must say.

<> Things will get better, despite our efforts to improve them.
<> -- Will Rogers
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:07:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.060407.10785@fuug.fi> an6245@anon.penet.fi (Nobody in particular...) writes:
>Specifically, what I'm looking for are songs which contain lyrics that are
>obviously MOTSS-oriented.  Songs by artists who are rumored to be gay,
>especially if that rumor is only in the "homosexual community" (I use 
>that phrase because I don't know of any other), are not really what
>I'm looking for.

One of my faves is "1963" by New Order, on the "Substance" CD.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

When a change of scene was proposed, Lady Celia suggested a visit to the
nearby seat of Sir Egbert, a dear friend of her youth.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jon Secada
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:07:11 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <C1GE7E.4rv@unix.amherst.edu>
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <93025.212956REC8@psuvm.psu.edu>
REC8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>>Does anyone know what Jon Secada's professed sexual
>>orientation is?  For some reason I think he's married but
>>I'm not sure.

>Married is a sexual orientation now?  My goodness ...

Well sure it is!  All my husbands were very oriented
sexually, and that was no occident, baby!

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Quark
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:17:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <74127@cup.portal.com> <119@bbx.basis.com>

Scott Amspoker writes:
>Aww.  You forgot Andy the robot - the best character on the show.

I didn't *forget* him -- I just couldn't remember his name. The
only line of his I can remember was when they were face to face
with their sworn enemy (the name of which I also forget), the
first words spoken were Andy's immediate and unconditional 
surrender, including the phrase "I am willing to grovel." ;-)

But I must disagree; I think Ficus was better. I recall a whole
episode he went around with a gauge in his ear, and kept
getting interrupted from explaining why. Finally as the show
closed, we found out that it was the dry season back on his
home planet, and he wanted to make sure he didn't dehydrate. ;-)

 
() No sane PC user abandons the world of DOS machines
() for workstations simply to get more power.
()      -- PC Magazine
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Forced Remedies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan9.033648.2219@leland.Stanford.EDU> <18356@autodesk.COM>
	<1993Jan21.202947.28007@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:49:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.202947.28007@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: 

   In article <18356@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
   Rowley) writes:

   >Attempting to remedy past inequitys by tilting the balance
   >to force or mandate favor for the previously disadvantaged
   >is no less unfair than the ills it seeks to remedy.

   One problem with this is that unfairness is hard to measure,
   so "more unfair" and "less unfair" are perforce undefined.
   You know the old saying: fair is fair.

   < specific examples, all of which support actions to remedy current
     ills but fail to address what I read as Owen's concerns about
     affirmative-action policies, deleted > 

The words above are "no less unfair."  I disagree.

Neither the populace nor the state operates by magic or independently
of context.  The idea that people go from a state of disadvantage
because of stupid reasons like sex, skin color, national origin,
religion, or sexual orientation or  preference to one of complete
equality of opportunity in one fell swoop is prepostorous.  

The idea promulgated above, the "no less unfair" idea, continues to be
used to maintain the state of disadvantage.  Opponents of equal
opportunity and equal rights use it, as well as "the pendulum's swung
too far," "reverse discrimination," and "white rights" to hide behind
their failure to get with the program of fairness and justice for all
people, regardless of attribute X.  

If equal rights had been the situation for several hundred years, the
"no less unfair" idea might have some merit.  Well they haven't been.
Equal rights for all is a fairly new idea, and if past injustices
aren't redressed, equal rights will never be achieved for any period of
time.   

A constructive idea might be to set some target dates for achievment
of measureable goals, and the provision that if those goals are met,
the affirmative action goes away; otherwise, it gets continued for
another fixed period of time.  

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Subject: finding each other at MOW... an idea
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:51:56 GMT

It was mentioned a while back that motssfolk going to the March
on Washington should get together at some point.  The question
was raised as to how we could find each other.
 
For motss.con this past year (which I missed.. but Mr Dyer was kind
enough to hand out for me), I did a few easy-to-make (for me, at
least... I work for a company that can make them) that were paws
on pink triangles (for bearfolk, in this case).
 
I'd be willing to do something similar for folks going to the MOW.
So, if you're going, send me email with the name you'd like on your
sticker.  I'll see what I can set up before April.  I'd also appreciate
any ideas for a design.
 
I'm pretty sure they'll say "MOTSS on Washington," though.  :-)
 
[] Urso

-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA 
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From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:47:04 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

This gay soda thread sort of reminds me of my first trip to Canada, and
seeing all the S.O. gas stations, and thinking how romantic that was...

Alpha

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just a groovy little motorbike..."     *             <sigh>
From: mwoods@eagle.sangamon.edu (Mark Woods)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: New Gay-Owned/Operated Long-Distance Co. is started
Summary: Advertisement for _CommunitySpirit_
Keywords: telephone long-distance
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:29:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1HtpG.467
Organization: Sangamon State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Greetings from Springfield, Illinois!

I just wanted everyone to hear about the new Long-Distance Telephone Company
that was recently started.

It's called _CommunitySpirit_ and was set up by _Overlooked Opinions_, a
Chicago based LBGO* opinion polling group.  With this new service, you can
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Organizations.  Which means, that possibly upwards of $21 million can be
raised for National, Regional, or Local organizations.

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  Savings up to 25% off of AT&T, MCI or Sprint long-distance charges.  And
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  All charges are itemized on your local phone bill.

_Free Calling Card_
  A free, personalized calling card is issued for convenience away from
home.

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  The service uses Sprint's 100% Digital Fiber-Optic Network and Customer
Service Representatives are available 24-hours a day, toll-free.

_No Cost To Join_
  The switch over fee is paid by _CommunitySpirit_ by voucher after
switching.

_Business Savings_
  The _CommunitySpirit_ commercial plan is a great way to reduce business
expenses.

**This information was pulled from an ad placed in the January 1993 issue of
the St. Louis, MO _The Lesbian and Gay News-Telegraph_.

For more information:  Call  1-800-IT'S-OURS (1-800-487-6877)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: zwicky@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky)
Subject: Re: subscribe
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: very short
Organization: outil, lsa, stanford, osu,...
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:35:34 GMT

if i'd only paid my dues??  *thre*  *are*  *no*  *dues*.

arnold (in today's little window of minimal feverishness)


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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:07:11 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.


 SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <C14vzr.JF4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
>>I now end up ordering "the brown carbonated beverage" when I go out to eat.
>>
>Ah, fizzy coffee....

Or dandelion&burdock, or root beer |-)

Tanaqui, non-caffiend
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro)
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:51:32 GMT

I should probably add why I am so interested in this album. 
It's basically a sentimental reason :)
I consider "Stand Up for your Love Rights" my coming out song. 
It was Pride day 1991 and me and my (now ex) boyfriend were still very 
closeted. 
Instead of going to the march, that day we decided to go shopping :)
Those of you familiar with Boston will know that the march used to 
pass right under the bridge on Charles St where the subway runs. 
At that stop when I saw that big crowd I just pushed my bf out of the 
subway car and said "It's decided we are going to the march!"
But still shy and intimidated we stood by on the sidewalk looking 
at the marchers. It was the float from Fritz (a local gay bar) 
that arrived playing that song :)
We looked at each other and with a smile we joined the crowd.

---rosario


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:01:01 GMT

In article <18463@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> 
>> I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
>> tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
>> coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
>> wasn't that simple?
>
>Iced tea.
>
>Don't you see how short a step it is from that simple-and-seductive
>pleasure to international-fascism-blackshirts-thumping-on-our-doors-
>bring-out-yer-queers-so-we-can-kill-'em?

I am hurt and shocked by what I can see only as another example of
Yankee Agression (tm) What don't y'all know that ice tea is (perhaps
behind Coca-Cola) the prefered drink of the Magnolia League. 

Quick get my fan!



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From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Correction: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:35:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


LASAGA <LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu> writes:
>    a.  Gay males are estimated to molest at a rate of 14% (of all 
>        homosexual men) and heterosexual men are estimated to molest 
>        at a rate of 11% (of all homosexual men), and those numbers
>        are statistically similar (because this is based on a reasonably
>        small sample of the population).  


OOPS! Typo alert.  That SHOULD read:
    a.  Gay males are estimated to molest at a rate of 14% (of all 
        homosexual men) and heterosexual men are estimated to molest 
        at a rate of 11% (of all heterosexual men), and those numbers
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

-maria


Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: llatwood@unix.amherst.edu (Laura Atwood)
Subject: Re: Text of new OCA anti-gay initiative (LONG)
Followup-To: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:55:34 GMT

Brent Capps (bcapps@agora.rain.com) wrote:
> Here is the text of the Oregon Citizen's Alliance's new anti-gay rights 
> initiative being filed in 24 cities and 8 counties that favored Measure 9.
> 
> * * * * *
> 
> An Act: Be it enacted by the People of the City or County of -----:
> 
> Paragraph 1: The charter of the city or county of ----- is amended by
> adding a new Section ----- as follows:
> 
> (stuff deleted)
>
> (b) City funds shall not be expended to promote homosexuality or express
> approval of homosexual behavior.
> 
> (stuff deleted)
> 
> (d) This Section shall not be construed to limit public libraries from
> providing materials for adults which address homosexuality.
> 
> (stuff deleted)
> 
> 
> * * * * *
> 
> God I'm depressed. :(
> -- 
> Brent Capps    


Me too.  So, among other things, city funds can't be used to "promote 
homosexuality or express approval of homosexual behavior," but public libraries
can (use city funds to) "address homosexuality" in other ways?  Is it (dare I
think?) making libraries an exception to the "city funds" part, or do I
understand correctly that it's just clarifying that libraries may use funds to
"address" homosexuality as long as they don't address it positively?

Ugh to the whole thing.

Laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@urania.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:53:40 GMT

In article <19930121133657ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:

>Sadly, not all free-marketeers are also libertarians when it comes to
>human rights.

Good entry for an Understatement of the Year contest.  Who wants to
hold one?

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Nancy Reagan [eeeeek!]
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 14:16:31 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.170219.21284@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.151510.5640@dvorak.amd.com>
>tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D.  Barrett) writes:

>>Rod, it's articles like that that make me glad that Mrs.
>>Reagan is no longer in office!

>I dunno.  I really enjoyed the whole Schultz thing.  

Don Regan, too.  I appreciated Nancy, because she was the
perfect conduit for all my spleen and scorn about silly,
superficial, vain, and vicious people in power.  She was
(is, I guess) quite tiny, a size 3 or something, and it
always seemed to me she was highly concentrated virulence,
an itty-bitty cesspool of terrible toxins.

>Is anyone else reminded of Martha Mitchell?

Poor Martha, she was simply crazy, and I think booze and
pills were a major factor in her ridiculousness.  For those
too young to remember (yer gettin' up there, Melinda :-) she
was the wife of John Mitchell, Nixon's campaign manager and
Attorney General (I was thinking of him during the Baird
hearings), and the first person (I think) to be convicted of
a crime in connection with the Watergate scandal.  Martha
was a harridan of the first magnitude, and she used to berate
journalists for going after John, making an unbelievable
spectacle of herself in the process.

In terms of classiness, it was all downhill after the
Kennedys, who though they were low-life too, at least had
enough common sense to draw the blinds.  Most of the time.

I rather liked the Clinton open house the other day.  I
think Clinton is a real person, whatever else one can say
about him.  I hope he manages to remain one (it ain't easy,
I'm sure) in that zoo.  Sure is a hell of a contrast; I
can't think of one other president in our century who was
anything like so real as Clinton.

<> The house of delusions is cheap to build, but drafty
<> to live in. -- A.E. Housman
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: Fighting fundies
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:17:31 GMT
Keywords: fundamentalists, struggle, discrimination

In article <C18GJC.78J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>
>Another idea:  Why not try to drain the fundies' pocketbooks a little bit each
>day on our own?  A few months ago, someone mentioned sending lead weights to
>them through business reply mail?  What about sending lots of letters, without
>return address, postage due?  How about calling their 1-800 numbers (Do they
>have any?) incessantly, thus a.driving up their phone bills(maybe) and b.tying
>up their lines and operators' time?

This reminds me of a story in RE/Search's "Pranks" issue recounted by Jello
Biafra, about what he does with "postage paid" reply cards sent to him by
conservative orgs. He attaches them securely to things like cinder blocks,
large, heavy metal objects, etc, and mails them. Due to the nature of "postage
paid" mail, the US Postal Service _has_ to deliver these clunkers, and the
organization who receives them _does_ get billed for these massively heavy
(and expensive) parcels. Anyone feel like getting on CFV's mailing list so
we can send 'em some building materials, gang? :)

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Melissa Etheridge Comes Out - Yaahoo!
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:59:33 GMT

In article <memo.887780@cix.compulink.co.uk>
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey) writes:
 
>
>According to Greg King of the Human Rights Campaign Fund, in
>Washington DC, Melissa Etheridge, that wonderful rocker, chose
>the Triangle Ball this week to Come Out as a lesbian. He told me
>this evening that she announced to the whole, very public
>gathering, in front of tv cameras, that she had chosen that event
>to make it clear she had been a lesbian all her life.
>
>Two days earlier she was the first woman performer to appear in
>the American Reunion Celebration, before the President-elect at
>the Lincoln Monument.
>
>Ealier this year there was speculation that, as she moved
>increasingly into the mainstream, she was becoming less inclined
>to associate herself with events that had lesbian connections.
>This followed her being unable, apparently, to find the time to
>appear for the forthcoming March on Washington.
>
>Perhaps that may now change.
 
It will indeed be interesting to see how she now approaches things like
RhythmFest, the women's music festivel in Georgia. It was rumored for
a while that there was a stipulation in her contract that she must stay
away from there because the last time she appeared, she did a very, very
dykey and very wonderful version of "Piece of My Heart," which is one of
the hottest bootlegged tapes around.
 
It would also be great to have been a fly on the wall when/if her manage-
ment told her that what she'd done was career suicide... when we all know
that ME's biggest fans liked her for her dykely qualities -- the strength,
the emotional intensity -- and that the mainstream was never going to
embrace her. She didn't fit one of two or three existing boxes set up
(mostly by MTV) for successful female performers: The slut who dances
and sings (Madonna); the dance divas (En Vogue, Paula Abdul); and the
heavy metal-biker babes (Lita Ford, Joan Jett, etc.) I even heard MTV
veejay Karen Bryant, after the one showing of ME's new video, describe
her as "one of those _strong_ women" in kind of a puzzled/amused voice.
>
>A great performer just got miles better.
>
No, a great performer just got braver. Her music's the same as it
always was -- pretty damned good.
 
Tracey
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