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From: lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ramona)
Subject: Re: Any Skins at Lollapalooza?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:33:50 GMT

I went to the first Chicago show, and there were a few there.  
I wouldn't eliminate the possibility that they attended for 
the show itself.  Tickets were 35 dollars, and that's a bit 
expensive for a day of walking around picking up pamphlets.
Most of the skins I saw had Ministry t-shirts.  Although 
they're an industrial band, they attract a lot of skins to 
shows, at least in Chicago.  The band itself is from 
Chicago, but I don't know how much that has to do with it.
The only pit that was big enough and fast enough to really
enjoy happened during Ministry's performance.  The skins 
involved weren't discussing politics (snicka, snicka).

				      Ramona

The only sizeable pit
From: kevinmca@ecosse.East.Sun.COM (Kevin McAllister - Sun USOPS WSU Inventory Control)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: in search of...
Date: 4 Sep 1992 12:50:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kevinmca@ecosse.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ecosse.east.sun.com

Okay you have fund me. I tried posting you a mail 
but it bounced back with a mailer-Deamon.
Please respond to above e-mail address with sone info.
You see I have drank a lot of beers with a lot of skins in NYC
between 82 and 92



Kevin
"A7 A7 were slammin at A7"
From: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: MADSTOCK '92
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:32:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: soulsteppin.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Aug26.155232.5246@riacs.edu> evans@pan.arc.nasa.gov (Dan Evans) writes:
>
>I'll post a track listing if there is any interest.
>
>Dan


I just heard on the radio yesterday that Morissey was going to open
up for Madness, but got hit in the head by an orange juice carton
thrown by some "skinhead hooligans" and refused to go onstage
(giggle...snort!)

Ah, just as well.  I like Morissey, but he should have known better, the
silly depressed man...playing at a Madness reunion gig thing, there's
going to be a few skinheads there.

I heard he was spotted this summer at a few scooter rallies.

Anyone seen him?

Emily

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These are my opinions
not Sun Microsystems
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Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: braunste@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (steam)
Subject: knitters
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:47:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

been really getting into this band of late.  it's john doe (from x) doing  
real rockabilly stuff.  tres cool.  anyone know what john doe is doing  
now?

steam
From: amcbride@axion.bt.co.uk (Alan McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Stig's Reply
Keywords: boots braces beads bongos
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:17:32 GMT
Reply-To: AMcBride@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Research Laboratories



Stig has username stig@nyc.hardcore.skinheads.org
and would appear to be posting from George Mason University, 
Fairfax, Va.  He very probably is a sysadmin type, 
as he seems to be able to configure domain names, etc.
If anyone really wants to see through the veil of
anonymity, it should not be too difficult.

But more importantly, stig, perhaps you could say
more about what skinhead means to you.  I am 
uncomfortable with your comments about violence,
but I respect the fact of yuor previous membership
of the nyc hardcore, and can see that prejudice
of others probably meant you often had to fight.
What really interests me though , and prevents me 
from writing you off as simply an abusive asshole,
is your comment ...

> I'm not afraid to put on one of my old sKrewdriver 
> records (if i could find one).  Nor am I scared to put 
> on Public Enemy. I appreciate what BOTH groups have to 
> say, but neither of them speaks for me.  Only I do that.

This relates to the current controversy over Morrissey
and his recent use of skinhead paraphanalia and 
imagery on stage.  This, and morrisseys clumsy 
treatment of race issues in songs such as "Bengali
in Platforms" and "Asian Rut", has resulted in
certain elements of the british music press attacking
him with accusations of racism. 

So I was hoping to hear an objective discussion of
such things as the "oi" movement on this group.
If morrissey flirts with "oi" imagery, is he a
racist, or is he romanticising racism?  

I listen to ice-T and ice-cube, but don't agree
with some of their more extreme views.  In the
same way I suppose I should be able to listen
objectively to "oi" bands without feeling I am
buying in to their views.  Nevertheless, I don't
think I would be able to.  Why? 

I feel morrissey is getting a bum deal, because,
as is so often said here, skinhead != racist.
But nevertheless, in the current climate with
neo-nazism on the rise in europe, this is simply
not the popular perception.  And narrow-minded
and irresponsible journalists at NME don't help
matters much.

So in the end I beg to differ with your view
that there is no need for SHARP.  To me it's
not pandering to media, it's standing up and
shouting a loud cry of "bullshit" at those
who stick on the labels.  Thing is, the shout's
not being heard. 




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          Phone: +44 473 646077  Fax: +44 473 644605
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From: braunste@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (steam)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: skinhead glory (not)!
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:01:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

> blah blah blah

"i remember when i was a kid and everyone was so cool and could beat  
anyone else up and knew everything and you all are just cheap imitations  
of what we used to be."  Yea?  good for you- but now that you're old and  
stupid keep your nostalgia to yourself.

steam
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: buster@vcomp.system1.org
Subject: in search of...
Summary: looking 
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:37:01 GMT

Hello. I was wondering if anyone can help me find this guy...
I THINK his name is Kevin [maybe not though].  He is engaged [or married
to] Heather Lippincott.  He is a skinhead, and he works for Sun
Microsystems.  I know he knows about this newsgroup cause I talked to
him about it once.  We drank at a bar together in New York.  I just want
to say hello and find out how he is doing.  I also know his
sister-in-law in Washington D.C. If you think you know who I am talking
about please post, email usually doesn't get through to our network.

Thanks a lot. 

--

Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: skinhead@hardcore.org 
Subject: Stig's Reply
Summary: reply to 1st flame 
Keywords: boots braces beads bongos 
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:40:43 GMT

In some article some guy writes: 
>
>Hey Stig,
>  If you are so great why do you hide behind a fake name and address?  You say
>you are a real skin but you have to hide behind such things.  Don't worry
>about what other people think.  Those who hide behind something are truly
>cowards.  Right now my head isn't shaved but I give a shit what others think.
>I know what I am.  And don't start with the "Real skins don't use computers..
>" bullshit.  Also, if this group is so lame, why do you read and post here?
>
> - Kirk
> - "Straight and Alert!"
>

To answer your 1st question, I use a fake name and address for several
reasons.  

    1. I can.
    2. I don't want to start getting flames via email.
    3. I like to play silly games.
    4. To give people like you something else to flame me for. (Joke) 

If you really want to know who I am you could probably figure it out.
Mail is very easy to trace. But alas, this is not a lesson on Un*x
mail...  Oh, by the way, when did I say I was "so great"?  I'm not
claiming any supiriority (hell, I can't even spell it!) 

I'm just dissappointed by the way so many Skins pander to the
public/media.  But I think I made this clear in my previous post.
 
Hey! And when did I say anything about "real skins not using coputers"?
It seems to me that "real skins" use whatever is available to them in
order to pursue their goals.  Besides, I am obviously using a coputer
too, so it would be pretty ridiculous to bash computer users!

You know what else? My head isn't shaved either. In fact I have long
hair and I wear neckbeads and play bongos (I'm not kidding).  Please
don't call me a hippie!!!  You see, I haven't LOOKED like a skinhead for
over 5 years now, but the ink in my arm still says "SKINHEAD" as does my
attitude.  Saying it's "a way of life" seems overly dramatic to me, but
I WOULD say it's a state of mind.  I just question whether the majority
of "skins" share this mind...  What I'm saying is that being a skinhead
should mean more than some snappy clothes and a haircut.  

One more thing. I didn't say the group was "lame".  I read it
periodically because I've been meaning to post for a while but just have
not had the time.  I'm also hoping to spark some interest in some
worthwile subject matter, NOT stuff like "gee, i shaved my head the
other day and now everyone rubs it and calls my 'fuzz-head'"
                -THAT'S lame!  
Have a good day. 

--
   Stig "Back with a Bang!"
From: jmcbride@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Madness for sale
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:59:22 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <172umcINN9vp@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, kevinmca@ecosse.East.Sun.COM (Kevin McAllister - Sun USOPS WSU Inventory Control) writes:
> 
> For Sale Madness Mistakes double live album
>          recorded live at the Paradice Boston
>          1981.
> 
> 	Make an offer
I have never come accross this album before.  Was it a US only release,
or is it a bootleg?

Also, does anyone have any idea whether the MADSTOCK gig will be released on
album?  I read somewhere about a video release, but nothing about a disc.  
> 
> 	

james p mc bride
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: craa60@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Any Skins at Lollapalooza?
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:39:08 GMT

-- 
Ive been talking to a few people about the Lollapalooza tour in America
and they were teling me there were a lot of skins at the festivals. I put
It down to the Political side etc and not the music, which was mainly 'rock.
Did anybody in this group attend and what was your verdict.

Thanks in advance (Yeh I know Ive got long hair) :)
                                                
Martin Kilpatrick       	  \\|//              
Strathclyde Uni                  |-O,O-|   
Yam FZR 600 pilot >>>>>    
Suzi GSX 600 ^^not yet           ||   ||    
           	        	 ''   ''
From: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Stig's Reply
Date: 3 Sep 1992 13:58:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: soulsteppin.corp.sun.com
Keywords: boots braces beads bongos


Hmmm, I just don't know where Stig got the idea that everyone on
this group is some SHARP fanatic.  I'm always bitching about them,
and I've noticed alot of other people do too.

Everyone check out the Heights tonight....look for the SKA! man...
__
\/Emily


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These are my opinions
not Sun Microsystems
------------------------- 


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: fosterm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (FOSTER MICHAEL JOHN)
Subject: Edward II
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:42:49 GMT

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a SKA! band by the
name of Edward II.  As far as I know they're from England.  They're playing
here at the Boulder Theater on Saturday night and I was wondering if they'd 
be worth seeing.
 
-Foster
 
 


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman)
Subject: Selecter Tour
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:23:47 GMT

Say,

Anyone have a complete set of dates for The Selecter's tour?

I'm especially interested in Chicago, DETROIT, and Eastern Canadian 
dates.

Cheers.


-- 
Christopher L. Goosman                                   goose@irie.ais.org
Ann Arbor, MI USA                     University of Michigan Computing Club
     "The fools only laugh 'cause they envy you." -- Paul Weller, 1977
"You remember when?Yeah,so do I.They call those the Salad Days"Minor Threat
From: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: The Heights
Date: 2 Sep 1992 14:12:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: soulsteppin.corp.sun.com


Hey!  Has anyone seen the Heights?  Our one and only Alex, the lead singer
man from Hepcat is one of the main people on the show.  Kinda neat ;^)

Emily

Stig (?!).....

If we want to bang on bongos and wear beads, that's our thing.  Who the
fuck are you?

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These are my opinions
not Sun Microsystems
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Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: skinhead@hardcore.org 
Subject: skinhead glory (not)!
Summary: "skin" means nothing! 
Organization: oi.oi.oi 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:57:31 GMT


I've been reading this group for about 6 months now and I'm sorry to say
that I think you all should hang up your braces and boots and grab some
beads and bongos.  

I was a skinhead in NYC back in 83-85. Back in the days of the A7 club.
There were only about 20 of us in the whole city, but we knew what we
stood for.  We stood for ourselves! Skinheads!  We had an attitude and
no one could tell us we were wrong.

Well, a lot has changed since then.  Now there are hundreds if not
thousands more kids who dress the part, but it seems that many of them
lack the attitude.  What really gets me is this "SHARP" thing.  I think
its really dumb. Not because I'm a racist, but because I don't need to
PROOVE anything to anyone.  Back in the day, if someone had called me a
racist I would have done my best to kick their ass!  Don't you guys even
fight anymore.  That's what I've always admired most about this
movement, willingness to fight.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't advocate violence as an end in itself.  But
rather as a means to an end, whatever that end may be. 

I still consider myself a skinhead because I AM willing to fight, only
now I fight for different reaso.  It's true, i DO think racism is a good
thing to fight, but we don't need to pander to the media and society by
saying "Look at us! Were skins and were not racists!" Rather, Just say
we're skins [period]!  If anyone doesn't like it let them do something
about it.

My intention is not to insult anyone, but to make you think about what
is is you're saying and doing. There is no need to be "Skins Against
Anything.  Think for yourself and do what you want to do.  Don't worry
about what other people say about you.  

I'm not afraid to put on one of my old sKrewdriver records (if i could
find one).  Nor am I scared to put on Public Enemy. I appreciate what
BOTH groups have to say, but neither of them speaks for me.  Only I do
that.

Well, I'm running out of wind.  Maybe I'll write more later after you
guys flame me and try to explain your reasons for apologizing for
another bunch of silly people. 

--
Stig - "Back with a Bang!"
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Hey Stig!
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:57:46 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Hey Stig,
  If you are so great why do you hide behind a fake name and address?  You say
you are a real skin but you have to hide behind such things.  Don't worry
about what other people think.  Those who hide behind something are truly
cowards.  Right now my head isn't shaved but I give a shit what others think.
I know what I am.  And don't start with the "Real skins don't use computers..
" bullshit.  Also, if this group is so lame, why do you read and post here?

 - Kirk
 - "Straight and Alert!"
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: The End of the World!! (thank heavens!)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:46:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep1.180024.3844@shearson.com>, jjozwiak@shearson.com (Jenny Jozwiak) writes:
> Well, Babtists and Pentacosts believe that on October 28th, 1992 all the good 
> Christian souls
> will rise to heaven and the rest of us will stay on earth

What do you know, there is a merciful God after all.

--Semhaza (The Antichrist)

> Somewhere around the
> year 1999, the "end of life as we know it" will occur.  Actually I think
> this would be a fun thing to observe.  Go to a hard core Penatacostal Church on
> Oct. 28th and watch all the good Christians squirm in their seats, waiting for
> their souls to rise heavenward. I'd like to take my camera.
> 
> 
> Jenny                                                          
Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Subject: Re: The End of the World!!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:31:04 GMT

In <1992Sep1.045241.13005@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1070627@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Brett Paterson) writes:


>I don't know if this relates to this newsgroup or not, but a few weeks ago
>we got about a 6 page pamphlet saying that the end of the worlds is
>approaching!
   Yes - it should coincide with the American election. Bush gets a little
pissed off that he loses, and WHAMMO. world war III - damn bully he is.

>    It showed all of the world times that the end will occur, and i've
>forgotten the others, but I live in austrailia and it said 1AM on the
>31st of October.  Work it out if you live in a different country....
   Well, that's close, but the date is a LITTLE off... American election

>  I know it could be some students playing a prank or something, but it
>did have phone numbers and various adresses of churches & religious groups.
>  Has anyone else heard that the end is approaching?
   Yes - it was on Entertainment Tonight, Roseanne Barr, and Mr. Dressup.
I'm sure it has to be true.

>And I have a few questions about when it does happen.
>1) What should I wear?
   Doesn't really matter, it's not gonna stay on very long. But, if it makes
you happy, wear whatever makes you most comfortable. 

>2) Should I rape a virgin lamb the night before the day of judgement, so that
>    I will pass.
   This shouldn't really make a difference either, but it sounds like
you enjoy this activity, so do whatever makes you happy. Hell, if you
can't find a female, I'm sure a lamb will do.

>3) Will I still be elegible for entry into heaven when I masturbated hourly
>for the last 13 years?
   Hmm, that is a tricky one. rough calculations show that you wanked
approxamately 24*365*13=113880 times. That's a bit excessive. However,
being such a geek, you probably never had the opportunity to be 
promiscuous, so you might squeeze in. Maybe you had better not fool around
with that lamb though - that could put you over the edge.

>Any other tips on judgment day would be greatly appreciated.

   No - just make sure you record the "end of the world" on video
tape. It should be a memorable disappointment, and I assure you, you'll
feel really stupid afterwards, when you realize that the umpteenth 
claim that the world was gonna end, went wrong.

steve
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: bantolph@carina.unm.edu (Bard's are the Best)
Subject: May you all . . .
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:00:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	May you all burn in the fires of hell until the end of the
Universe while which you are forced to watch every episode of ABC's
wonderfull comedy Full House a thousand-billion-million times as you
dine on diseased scrotal tissue and horse piss. At the end of your
television ordeal may you ascend back to the hell that you now live
in and find that your precious computer has turned into an abacus with
ten thousand kg masses as beads. And then may you find yourself back
in some wretched college mathematics course and be forced to write a
program which plots out the Mandelbrodt set from (-2,1.5) to (2,-1.5)
with a step of one billionth of a unit and be forced to iterate each
point 1.0e10-th times. And you have to do it WITH YOUR ABACUS or be
send back to Satan to watch the Look Whose Talking movies until 
eternity ends!!!

				HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
				^
				|_______note: sinister tone
					      in meniacle laughter

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Life is something you do when your computer is broken."- The 
						 	     Video
								Warrior
_______________________________________________________________________

Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:58:27 GMT

>>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

I din't know.

>>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

No. (see below)

>>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
>>heaven?" What would you say?

Why would I want to go to *your* heaven given what I think of you? (At this
point I suppose I would have evidence of his existence. Doesn't change my
views on his abhorrent religion and personality though.)

jack

--
jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:04:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
Organization: Apple

In article <920818174711_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM>,
70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) wrote:
 
> When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

> If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?
 
> If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
> heaven?" What would you say?
 
> What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

These questions reminds me of things children ask from their parents,
such as 'why is the sun yellow'...

Cheers,
Kent
---
"George, sorry but I do look much better in my running shorts than you and
Bill..."
Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (RICE George Matthew)
Subject: Re: Evil and Insanity
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:07:38 GMT

In article <Aug27.154046.59167@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> quantum@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Roger Tinkoff) writes:
>insane?  Does having an honest desire just to kill necessarily mean that I am
>evil in the sense that *sometimes* it gives me a warm feeling inside to 
>waste a person? 

Sounds like you're pretty normal to me.

Matthew
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