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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:23:06 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)
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              7 Nov 1992 09:36:00 HST from <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:36:00 HST Michael E. Macmillan said:
>>We can go even farther back than that and rerun the
>>number-of-eggslots-in-refrigerator thread.  I think that was one of
>>the very first WORDS-L digressions -- way back when the list was

Sure...hope that one has been done...since it predates me too.
Is that about how come they put 22 in the door instead of 24?  or even 18?

I don't really care, though as we took out our eggslots and rarely have
eggs in fridge anyway....certainly NEVER more than 12.

dan
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: One simple question
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:41:39 GMT
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In a previous article, harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell) says:

>There's something that's been bothering me lately. It seems that whenever
>you choose to do something, you are (whether you know it or not) choosing
>not to do something else. For example, if I choose to buy a mink coat
>today, I may also have just chosen not to be able to pay an emergency
>medical bill in the near future.
>
>So my question is: how do you know when a choice isn't going to come back
>on you?
>
You keep up your insurance premiums.:-)  Seriously, you don't.  You look at
the available information, invoke a deity [if you have one], and make
a choice.  If you have a religious or other book you use for guidance, 
consult that too.  Sometimes the answers are spelled out.  Other times you
cross your fingers and flip a coin, roll a die, whatever.  That's how I
decided who to vote for on Nov. 3.:-(  I asked God, who y'all know I believe in
by now, and a direct answer wasn't forthcoming.  So, out came the dice, ten
rolls, and the pair of numbers that came up the most often were it. [1&2 =
George, 3&4 = "Ears", 5&6 = Willy]  

The choice came back on me - the guy I voted for lost.:-)  Oh well.  
You do the best you can with what you have, and whatever happens, happens.

>
Ruth

ps - wasn't this how I got into trouble the first time?<wry smile>
Never could keep my big mouth shut....
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:44:01 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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> > I never trust my memory anymore.  The question I wanted to ask is who was
> > the other President younger than Clinton.
>
> Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt?

That sounds right.  I realize I could look it up by reaching a few feet
above my computer and pulling down an almanac, but asking on the list seems
so much easier.  Besides, I noticed in the latest usenet statistics that
I had dropped to something like #23 in the list of world-wide bandwidth
pigs.

Btw, it was allegedly while on a hunting trip in Mississippi that Teddy
Roosevelt got the name Teddy.  Since our state has few claims to fame, I
thought I should throw that in.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Mount Rainier

Enjoyed this story...and reminding me how much I enjoyed that beautiful
mountain...it is almost perfection!  Those of you who have seen Mt Rainier
already know of its beauty ....for those who haven't I heartedly recommend
visiting it .....walk the trails...inhale nice fresh air, view broad fields
of many-colored wild flowers, see the distant mountainous horizon, really
soul restoring views.....maybe you could make a visit to this place part of
your next Words-l get-together....

And I had forgot where the Mighty Mo went.  Wonder if anyone on the list
has walked on its decks earlier than I (first time I visited the Mo was
about 1948).  Or who else has heard the roar of its 16 inch shells
overhead and then felt the vibration of their impact miles away?  What
a combination of memories ...sounds like War and Peace...

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:41:49 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: I Missed the Fun!
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> again, these things have to be properly targeted. The other experience
> relates to books and such:  a journal of African studies where I
> worked last year was deluged with pleas for our old back issues - and
> for the used books that it had been donated by some scholars. We had a

Shipping old books to those in need is quite different (IMHO) from shipping
old electronic equipment, especially large and complicated and obsolete
electronic equipment.

I think I reported my adventures at the p.o. back a year or so ago when
answering an e-mail plea for sending books to Russia.  I'm not sure whether
I ever reported that I got a very nice thank-you note via e-mail several
months later.  I'm confident that the books I sent are being used by people
studying English there.  Probably somebody somewhere could have used my old
Zenith also.  In fact, somebody somewhere is using it right now -- somebody
in Starkville.  Whether somebody somewhere might be able to use the dinosaur
mainframe Frank was talking about is quite another question.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)
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: Well, non-antidisestablishmentarianistally speaking, my dear, I really
                                        ^ ic

Damn.  What I get for typing too fast.  That one goes in my 'typos' file.

G
From: jrlst14+@PITT.EDU (James R Llewellyn)
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Subject: HELLO!
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:36:53 GMT
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I suppose I should introduce myself. I am James Richard Llewellyn,
descendant of the first prince of Wales, and consequently, possessor of
a tremendous ego problem.
I have been sitting at this deity-forsaken computer for at least two
hours wading my way through literally thousands of messages on your
board and I have made a few humble observations.
1: This board has absolutely no continuity. Brav(o,a)!! I do feel that
it is to everyone's interest that Re:s stick to a specific topic.
2: This board consists of intelligent people who can get their point
across effectively, but often these points grow less important than the
preservation of face.
3: Anything with sex in the title will get my attention.
4: I still can't figure out the fuss over "fuck."
5: I only hope that I can somehow penetrate the obvious familiarity
between subscribers and become a vocal, if not necessary, part of the
experience.
I truly appreciate the time you have taken to read my entry. I leave you
with the memorable words of Yoko upon notification of John's death, "Oh,
no."

Peace, Love, and Cowher Power,
Jim
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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              5 Nov 1992 15:01:41 -0700 from <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:01:41 -0700 JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>...and, when they return, they achieve the status of RM (Returned Missionary),
>which occasions much rejoicing as
>1.  the parents no longer have to send money to Sri Lanka or wherever, and
>2.  the RM becomes eligible for 'courtship'...
>
   Actually, the parents don't send the money to SriLanka, they send it
to the church in US.  All missions are now on flat fee basis, the parents
pay just as much to send Johnny to Dubuque as they do to send him to
London or Tokyo.  For quite a long time the fee depended on where Johnny
was going, and many parents wanted the kid in West Podunk, North Dakota,
rather than Paris or Hong Kong, to keep their costs down.
   Of course some kids don't make it through the training for some of
the locales, as they have to take intensive language training at the
language school in Provo, and they have to do well enough to proselytize
in the indigenous language.....and quickly.

dan
From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
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Subject: Re: amendment 2
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:09:32 GMT
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In article <9211080219.AA00618@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) writes:
>:      Or more equivalent--if atheists ruled a state, would it be okay for them
>: to say that any county or city cannot ban discrimination against practicing
>: adherents of any sect (including Christians).
>:      Legislate unto others as you would have them legislate unto you.
>
>Yes, the Oregon and possibly Colorado measures are very like the way
>the communist Russian state banned christianity for 70 years and drove
>it underground...
>
>G

The "Christian Right" blends charismatic religious dogma with 
a highly conservative political ideology. In a rather convoluted
twist of logic, they perceive rejection of the political
implications of their dogmatic claims to be "Christian bashing."
One problem with the Christian right is their duplicity and
deviousness. Under the rubric of "love" and "reason," they develop
a rhetoric that belies their bigotry and intolerance. They are
well-organized, well-funded, well-rehearsed, and they have little
appreciation for difference. As Ruth H indicated, the "truth" is
revealed in transcendant scriptures, and is therefore unamenable to
reason. People may believe what they like, but when those beliefs
are so dogmatically, irrationally, and permanently entrenched,
and when those views are translated into practices, policies, and
attempts at legislation to regulate the lives of those who do not
share their views, they are dangerous. The Christian right seems not
to understand that this is a pluralistic society, and it includes
gays, ethnic minorities, people who like sex, people who disagree
on the point at which life begins (or ends), and others who, while
"Christian," believe that women have a right to control their
bodies, gays have the right to a "normal" life (included, gopod forbid,
serving in the military), and Playboy may be sold at the local magazine
stand. 
 
Criticizing the Ruth Hs of the world *is not* Christian-bashing. It is
simply defending the foundations of pluralism in a democratic society
in the face of those bigots who prefer a homogeneous world created in
their image. 
 
If Ruth H wishes to engage in a reasonable dialogue about homosexuality,
some of us will be happy to participate. But, given her announced
position that she follows the "Biblical teaching" rather than 
reasoned alternative views, I'm not optimistic that such a dialogue is
possible.
 
jt
 
 
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clear the air
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              Harwell" at Nov 12, 92 7:37 pm

abh traces the history of acquiring list names:

> 1). List Angel: Michael McMillan (?) named Karen this
Yup, during the Great Words-L Phone-athon.

> 2). List Uncle: ???
Dunno about this.

> 4). Czarina: Rita was telling me this the other day, but I've already
> forgotten ;-)
Something to do with one of the pre-clam slams, I believe.

> 5). Don't forget Adam is List Honey, named by Rashmi
guilty as chahged.

> 6). List Goddess: didn't Dan name Natalie this?
Didn't Adam, the List Honey, have a hand in this?

I attempted to name Tushar List ghod, due to reasons too numerous to list,
but it didn't <stick>.  What do you say to List Poo-Bah?

rashmi
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:08:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Here I stand, I can do no other

>  An economist admits to pseudo-projections.  Write it down folks!

As if that's any big surprise.  Any forecast is a guess based on
analogy to events that took place in the past.  When it's an accurate
forecast, the pattern that took place in the past is a good prototype
for the pattern that took place today.  When it's inaccurate, there's
usually some detail that was overlooked because it seemed to be
unimportant ex ante but turned out to matter ex post.

>> Well, jobs are neither created nor destroyed they are only changed
>> in form.

>     So, then by your logic unemployment is a potential job?
> -- other stuff deleted --

If you've got the other stuff, look at it again.  The short answer is
no.  An unemployed person is potential production.  Because resources
are scarce, somewhere there is someone willing to pay the unemployed
person to produce additional output.  The unemployment problem is one
involving costly information: either the unemployed person is unaware
of an entrepreneur looking to expand output, or an entrepreneur is
unaware of a person looking for an opportunity to help expand output,
or the unemployed person is unaware of the entrepreneurial
opportunities out there.

>> This is (still) just simple economics.

> More like simpleton economics.

If you can offer any constructive complications of the presentation,
please do so.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Subject: Re: Did prop. 9 fail in oregon?
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:35:44 GMT
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Somebody asked earlier how the term limitation measures fared...I never
did see an answer...I heard this morning that all 14 passed.
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:02:25 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Clear the air

>> Harwell, I must sadly divulge the fact that you are not looked
>> upon as an authority on list history (no, that's nobody's name).
>
>Are you mad at me?
>
>-abh

Just a little hurt, abh. And sad. Don't worry about it too much,
though.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:28:56 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today
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And speaking of such things, do you know what you get when you rearrange
the letters in

      TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THIRD?

      MANY VOTED, BUSH RETIRED.    :-)

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: HELLO!
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	--ggs (<quicker> than gt....)

We all have our cross to bear.

G
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Warning
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:00:04 GMT


Last time I had a flu shot was when I was working in a nursing home.
Even tho I was around 16 and perfectly healthy, theory was staff
should get the shots so that we didn't pick up the flu and possibly
pass it on to the patients -- plus it wasn't any big deal for the
physician to jab a few staff members along with the patients.

The first year after that I *didn't* get a flu shot I came down with
walking pneumonia.  

-- 
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Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | lucky?  --Deadsy 
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Leah, thanks for sending the rest of "In Flanders Fields"...I couldn't
remember beyond the first two lines, and it was making me crazy.
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:16:23 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Twit word

>Agreed! Our word was 'antidisestablishmentarism' and it wasn't chanted - we
>endeavoured to try to work it into our conversations appropriately whenever
>possible. The other 'super......' belonged to a later generation.

Cliched invectives antidisobfuscate again! No Carolyn, if I said "chanting"
I humbly submit that I was wrong! As far as things calculated to label one
as twits go, working words into conversations ranks far, far higher than
singing them! Take this as official, coming from an official representative
of a different generation! Someone who works antidisestablishmentarianism in
his conversation is an incorrigible twit, a twit branded for life, a
 supercilious
prig, a wuss, a dweeb, and if you'll pardon the expression, a consummate dork!
Yes, I am sorry to say that though antidisestablishmentarianism might go down
well in certain quarters, the seething mass of humanity has given the mandate:
it's a twit word par excellence! Make no mistake about that, Carolyn!


>Actually, Tushar, you do remarkably well for someone from the 'illiterate
>generation'. :-)

Is this getting schmaltzy? It almost begins to sound as if this is getting
schmaltzy ...

tushar
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*** Resending note of 11/11/92 16:51

>> blomberg cepeda         [THE ABOVE IS A JOKE]

>Now *who* on this list would _have_ to be told that, I wonder...

Me?  I almost believed it.....
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:04:26 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Panhandlers

>"Trick or treat ladies and gentlemen. Actually I hope you'll have a treat
>for me because I am a homeless person."

I heard this on a train in Manhattan:

"Good evening. Ladies, and gentlemen. I am a homeless individual. By a
twist of fate, my home was destroyed in a fire. It was a traumatic
incident. However, I did not give up hope. I did not take to stealing,
I did not take to narcotics or drink, and I would not have taken to
soliciting if my circumstances had not become so difficult. Please ensure
the honor of a fellow human being by supporting him in his time of
distress."

I am not making this up. He was a street dude dressed in ragged clothes,
and this is exactly what he delivered.

Another guy had a more direct method. He sidled up and asked me to con-
tribute with a generous heart to the St Marks Street pizza fund. I
politely declined since I gave only to organized charity. He countered
by saying that it WAS organized charity and then turned his attention
to another of us, suggesting to him that giving away his nice scarf on
a cold evening like that would be a fine act of kindness. We were sorry
to decline even that. But he sounded cheerful enough when he expressed
the parting wish that God bless us.

A third guy, in some other time and place, used the technique of startling
us by banshee wailing. After he had got us entranced by his vocal performance,
he said "A quarter or a dime, and the vampire won't bite you!" We appreciated
this, but stuck to our principle of giving only to organized charity and
risked the vampire.

The fourth memorable fellow I met made me feel the sorriest for not giving.
He pointed out a twenty dollar bill sticking out of my pocket, invisible to
most but visible to him. He said I could have lost it by being so careless
about it. I thanked him for bringing my attention to that. But he hadn't
finished what he had to say. He argued that it could have slipped out of my
pocket as likely there as any other place, in which case he, a permanent
resident of the area, would have picked it up. But he had not succumbed to
that temptation and now he was willing to accept just two of those twenty.

His argument had a very reasonable ring to it, especially when he downed
his demand to twenty cents. "Losing twenty cents is far better than losing
twenty dollars," he said, "and giving twenty cents in a good cause is better
than losing them." It was very compelling till I discovered the catch and
said that losing no money at all is much better than all of the above.

He conceded it with good grace, though he shrugged with sadness. That's what
endeared me to him.

tushar
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Sports and politics
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ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Emily Horning) writes:
> Emily, who is looking forward to seeing the list-couple <K & K> again at
> Thanksgiving! (And what about Steve K. in January?....)

Please, let us retain our separate and complete identities!

Only one e-oops so far and I'm already reduced to a single initial.

--karsten

(and it wasn't even my e-oops)
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question 2
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>seem to be as bad as what one of my coworkers has done on more than
>one occasion.  She confuses the receiving lines at weddings with the
>ones you find at wakes.  Yes, she congratulates the bereaved family
>and expresses her sadness to the newly married couple.
>
>Rita L.

Not *completely* unreasonable...

"Married? I didn't even know you were pregnant!"

love, judith
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