HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Chainlube for my BM?
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:50:30 GMT

The Nashville Flash (dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu) wrote:
: >In article <1992Sep8.214920.7774@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
: >>|BMW has NEVER made a chain driven motorcycle.
: >>
: >>I have a question which concerns exactly that:
: >>I was at a social function a few weeks ago when I met a gentleman who
: >>swore up and down that BMW once made a chain-drive cycle, a long time
: >...
: >>offered to bet me $50.  Not being sure enough of my answer to lay down 
: >...
: >>Did BMW ever manufacture a chain-driven motorcycle?  Did I blow
: >>fifty bucks?
: 
: In article <1992Sep09.141808.13099@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: >Well, if you consider the tracks of their half-track motos to be "chains",
: >then I suppose they did...
: 
: *BMW* has never made a chain driven motorcycle.  There was a bike in ~1922 
: called a Flink or Helios which was a horizontally opposed twin that WAS 
: chain driven.  But the company that built it was not (yet) BMW.  (The 
: exact particulars slip my aging mind and my reference materials are at 
: home.)
: 
: BMW never built "half-track motos."  They did build a single track thing 
: that was sort of like a snowmobile that used one tank-like track that went 
: all the way over and under the vehicle.  VERY strange.  
: (Reminiscent of the Spagthorpe Sled Dog).
: 
: The "half-track moto" to which you are probably referring was a 
: Kettenkraftrad, model designation NSU HK100.  Figuring out the manufacturer 
: "is left as an exercise for the reader."  About a year ago, I posted a bunch 
: of stats for that machine.  If anyone archived it, I would appreciate a copy 
: since the Bit Monster ate mine.  (TIA)
: ============================================================================
:  "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle." - Winston Churchill
:     The Nashville Flash	  -   dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu   -   DoD # 412 
: 

I LOVE this thread!!!  I wonder which DoD dweeb started it! He/She should be
nominated for the Most fun From A Posting award.  It also shows up some
people with serious humour impairment! :)

I believe, nay know!  That BMW stole the engine design from Douglas, before 
WWII (England 0 Germany 9 - halftime score, England 99 Germany 25 Final score)
which in the typical English fashion (read fucking obtuse) was chain driven.


Nick (the Biker)    DoD 1069  MAG 73516   Concise Oxford


M'Lud.


PS  Jonothan, Yeah yeah yeah!  I agree on everything - we must meet!  Your
    country or mine?
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: glasses and helmets
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:01:16 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Friday September 11 1992 09:29, C J Silverio wrote to All:

 CJS> The FAQ mentions cutting chunks out of the foam liner to
 CJS> allow room for glasses.  Is this really a good idea?
 CJS> Does it WORK?  Should I get sport glasses or something
 CJS> like that?  What solutions have you visually challenged
 CJS> experienced riders found?

I have straight earpieces on my glasses, and they are a close fit too.
They don't work down your nose once on, thats for sure. If you can, get
a pair of glasses for riding that have straight earpieces (or whatever
you call 'em). If they are wire rim style, they will go in after you put
the helmet on ok. Don't do my trick: forget you don't have contacts on,
and pull the helmet off without first removing the glasses. :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Reversible vasectomy/historectomy(sp?) (was new bike .vs. vasectom
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:07:46 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <1992Sep6.020327.5384@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <92247.111308RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>What about putting a small 'petcock' thingy inline with the mans vas deferens
>>(sperm ducts)  When he wants to fire blanks, turn it off..  when trying for
>>children, put it on reserve and swamp the ova...
>
>This has been done for farm animals.  Not for humans as far as I know.
>

Too bad, Swift's parents could've used it.


Jim "I'm in a foul mood today" Small
-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Warm hands (Was: Leather pants)
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:51:43 GMT
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.183013.17923@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>I cheat. :-)  Widder electric gloves are the only way to go. Have you
>ever had your fingers get too hot on a cold day? It's a _wonderful_
>feeling!  Get the electric vest too, your body will love you.

	I want these myself.  For curiosity's sake (and my battery's too!),
how much power does electric clothing draw?  I need to have enough reserve for
two electric vests, plus lights, plus ignition, plus keep the battery charged,
or else I have to leave my sweetie at home, and I don't want to do that (1, 2,
3, "awwwwww" :-).

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hey Steve, how come you know so much?
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:25:58 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) writes:
: In article <787@zx11.UUCP> Steve Bade, steve@zx11.cactus.org writes:
: >      ^^^^^  You sure ain't Swift in the spelling department.
: See ya on the road big guy.


As my friends from Vancouver would say, "Enough Already!"

This is a purile waste of bandwidth.  Please refer yourselves to
alt.flames or a.s.h & come back when you've got something to add 
about motocycling.

Conrad Drake
----
Citizens of the United States! Your beloved country cannot afford to pay
its dues to the UN?  It cannot spend any money on the problems of your
cities?
Then how can it spend so many of your tax dollars propping up your
farmers?

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FJ bearing replacement
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:28:30 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle


BTW, the FJ rear bearings are a standard size, so don't go to the
dealer to get ripped off.  Go to a good bearing house.  If anybody
needs the info, I can get the bearing numbers from my garage (they are
also on the bearings, if I recall).

I ride in the rain a lot and a rear bearing was wasted at about 12k due
to being D+=open-faced.  I put in a sealed bearing and it should last
longer.  For the bearings that were still good, I used boat trailer
grease.  

To put the bearings in, you need to tap on the outside race(?) and not
the inner so that it doesn't get damaged.  I didn't have a socket the
right size and bought a sintered(?) bearing (it looks like a tube that
matches the outside diameter of my wheel bearing).



-- 
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  
----------------------------------------------------------------------
                    "Visualize Wirled Peas"
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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Windshield repair (was: Maggots)
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:14:56 GMT

	Called a guy at an acrylics place today, and he said he could
	custom bend and cut a piece of Lexan to replace my windshield, for
	around $50, which is << $  than any Yamaha accessory would ever be.
	So, I might get a new one!  (Btw, I'm the guy who FINALLY got
	the Meguires to refurbish my old, and now destroyed, windshield.
	AAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!)

	Craig


-- 
  
    Craig Hamm, Memorial University, | I don't think the letters which appear
    Newfoundland                     | on your letters page are genuine. I 
    DoD #1500,                       | think you just make them all up.  In
    81 Maxim 650                     | fact you probably made this one up
    ------------                     | too.  -J. Clark, Rotherham (Viz comics)
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Like fast even.
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:55:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T


So I run into these two ZX_11's Sat about noon on the tollway.
We were cruisin about 130 mph when what appears by the concrete median
but a state cop.
Self says "I don't know these guys and if he can catch anybody
I'm sure he'll settle for him". 
So I proceed to get the hell out of dodge. They must have considered stopping
for a second elst I wouldn't be in front of them. A nanosecond later
I'm getting off tollway and going right when I catch them screaming
down the ramp. They took a left.
Needless to say I didn't get a ticket.
Oh yea, then we crashed it it taught us a lesson we won't soon forget.
P.S. And we'll never do it again.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Steamboat Springs
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:54:33 GMT

jerryk@col.hp.com (Jerry Kinsley) writes:

>Who's going? Please post.

Anyone who's anyone. Such as me. :-)

Any other "westerners" headed to Steamboat besides me? I'll be headed
out on the 18th and back on the 21st.

There's been a fair bit of Steamboat discussion on the Denver-Boulder
area mailing list, but I haven't seen many non-Coloradans making any
plans there.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: vanity plates
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:41:18 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company


On my Yamaha SRX-6 `Super Single' I had Washington plate number:

	THUMPR (you only get 6 letters for MC plates)
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@hela.ISC-BR.COM
22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9534   |  "Nature bats last..."
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Subject: Re: stupid people
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Sep 92 08:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> When I bought my 5.0 'stang, I used to get lots of old guys in
-> bonneville SSEi's trying to drag me at a light. It goes for anything
-> high perfo that you drive..

5.0 Mustang?  "High Performance?"

 HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW............<cackle>

 Come up against a '68-'70 model with a big block and short axle, and
you'll feel cruelly used.
From: forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Blue Book?
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:08:43 GMT
Reply-To: forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell)
Organization: David Taylor Model Basin

In rec.motorcycles, dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>So where is the mysterious Blue Book for motorcycles found? The friendly woman
>at AAA didn't have one, and didn't know where I should look. (I'm looking for
>the value of a 1977 Suzuki GS750, in case someone has the book sitting next to
>his/her terminal.)
>
>Thanx,
>Dan


Sorry, Dan.  Blue Books only go back 7-8 years.  You need to check out
the want ads to find out its value.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lauren Forestell   |  "What, me worry? "              | AMA #663798
'88 FZ750          |              -Alfred E. Neuman   | WERA Ex. #19.retired
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

'777
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opp cheesecake
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:03:57 GMT
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"egreen" == Ed Green <egreen@east.sun.com> writes:

egreen> In article 92Sep12093823@win30.nas.nasa.gov,
egreen> jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>... and that's why we should toss Bush and all his cronies into a big
>vat of Chem-Dip.

egreen> Dip?  I think that only works on 'toons....

And your point is... 

Seriously, tho, Chem-Dip is the stuff that I used to clean carbs with.
Comes in a paint can, has a little basket that holds the parts while
you soak them in the paint can.   The solvent is so nasty that they
have a layer or some sort of oil that floats on top of the dip to keep
it from evaporating or catching a stray spark.  And it burns skin like
battery acid...  It's probably illegal outside of the Houston Ship
Channel. :-)

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
 "Nude wheelies are probably the ultimate in squidliness."  -- beano at
                                                          Lissa's party
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: vanity plates
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:35:13 GMT

>>Anybody out there have personalized plates?

I don't.

My favorite is still


   RICE ETR


Seen on a very clean Sportster that gave every appearance
of having been set up for speed, including tires that had
been evenly heated and sciffed from sidewall to sidewall.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
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From: rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ross Allan Roberts)
Subject: Re: Ohio Gathering
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:10:18 GMT

>SHIT Ross!!  This is the same excuse you gave at the Columbus Rally
>last year.  If you don't have time or money to get it fixed, sell the
>truck, then take the money and the bike to the shop.  You need to get
>your priorities in line, man!

I DON'T have the time... or the bike. I have to go to my folk's house.
But, this is what happens when you have a brother who is the designated
Keeper of the Repaired Bikes (KoTRB), who also has his own sense of
priorities, namely:
	1. His half-running CBX
	2. His dead (and beheaded) CBX
	3. His new '87 GSXR1100
	4. His Hawk
	5. Whatever else is there at the time, and NOT related to him.

oh, and the truck is a new '92 Toyota 4x4... it WAS going to be a CBR
summer, but the ol' Escort wouldn't go any farther..     :-/ 

>I hereby nominate Ross as the Keeper of the Leaky Head (KotLH).

Actually, I wuz hopin' for Keeper of the Squidley Look (KoTSqL).

 #############################################################################
#Ross Roberts (rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)|'85 IT200, '81 MX100       #
#DoD#0340, still patiently awaiting the 6ooF2...  |'88 YFM350 Warrior         #
 #---------------------4-stroke good, 2-stroke gooder!---------------------- #
                    Friends don't let friends drive Suzuki's 
#############################################################################
From: johnny@ennex3.eng.utsa.edu (Johnny Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Someone please tell me what's going on!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:34:19 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep9.004915.3874@voder.nsc.com> miket@voder.nsc.com (Mike  
Tuason) writes:
> 
> BIKE:	1983 Yamaha Vision 550cc: liquid cooled Vtwin shaft drive.
> 
> PROBLEM:  This occurred twice:
> 
> 		I start the bike up, and ride for only a couple
> 		of miles when, at a stop light, I hear this
> 		"BANG!" sound and look down to find a cloud of 
> 		warm blue smoke rising out of the engine area.
> 
> 		After further examination, I find that the valve 
> 		cover gasket blew out on BOTH cylinders, right near
> 		the breather hose entry points.
> 
	
	Well I have a Vision also, but I have never had anything like this  
happen.

	Perhaps you have some blowby from the cylinders getting into the  
crankcase complete with unburnt fuel. After the fumes build up, something  
ignites them and BLAMMO your crankcase explodes! Perhaps you should run a  
compression test on your cylinders, which is not a bad idea no matter what  
the problem is. In any case it will indicate the condition of the engine.

	Also, since the blowby recirculation hoses are connected to the  
airbox, you may be getting a backfire which is causing problems with the  
crankcase.

	This is all speculation of course. Save your flames for someone  
who knows what he is talking about ;-).

	John Roberts
	johnny@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu
From: csl%swl@swlrei.msd.ray.com ("Scott Lilliott")
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Maine Hiways answer
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:48:33 GMT

Subject: Re: Nasty rumour about Maine interstates

dagibbs@quantum.on.ca (David Gibbs) writes:


>I heard from people at work that some (one) of the interstates in
>Maine has signs posted forbidding motorcycles on the highway.  Is
>this true, or just a nasty rumour?  (Has anyone else heard of this
>happening.)

>-David Gibbs				Kawasaki Concours
>(dagibbs@quantum.on.ca)

I haven't heard of such a thing and I have friend who ride down from MAine
fairly frequently - sounds like a stupid rumor to me ...

HOWEVER

THere are signs here in MA (and probably in ME as well) posted at the entrance
ramps to hiways which say something like: Pedestrians, horses, bicycles, and
motorscooters are prohibited.  Somewhere I'm sure there is a definition
making the distinction between motorcycle and motorscooter (displ.? ).

Besides, the prettier roads are the back ones anyway ...  :)

S.


   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
    #   AMA #600897             "If you push something hard enough,   #
     #   DoD #0227               It will fall over."                 #
      #  US/INOA #8563                     -- Fudd's First Law      #
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From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Motorcycles prohibited (Was: Least Favorite Road Sign)
    <Stafford-140992102735@stafford.winona.msus.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:57:36 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>> On my way to the Finger Lakes Rally in NY, I tried going through the
>> international tunnel between Detroit and Windsor. The friendly attendant
>> greeted me with "We don't allow motorcycles. You're going to have to use
>> the [Ambassador] bridge."

>If that road is an interstate, then there is nothing to keep you
>from riding a motorcycle there.  Except local ignorance, nazis,
>etc.

If the tunnel is like the bridge the customs booths are on the US end,
so you're under canadian rules in the tunnel.

It could be the engine exhaust or the noise they're trying to keep out 
of the tunnels; I suspect the average bike emits more toxic exhaust than 
the average car (less emmission-control equipment, don'cha know).  The
road signs direct all trucks to the bridge too, as I recall.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."
From: benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:11:43 GMT
Organization: The Secret Cabale That Rules The World

In article <18lni0INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>,
>      egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|
|I'll put MONEY on the fact that after a good hard ride, I could sit any
|one of you people down with a choice between a cold Bud or NOTHING, and
|you'd drink the damned beer!  
|
|And you question MY logic!  Harumph!
|

Bud, besides making me throw up, makes me thirsty. 

Benjamin benjamin@ai.mit.edu DoD #676 Ban Helmet Laws. Encourage your
friends to wear helmets. Ban Drug Laws. Ban Cigarettes (in public
areas). If the the criminal is the victim, there is something wrong.
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Date: 9 Sep 1992 23:50:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Sep8.203024.25657@varian.com> bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.075255.2723@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>>Hwy 50 east out of Reno has a sign, 
>>
>>"Next Services 187 Miles."
>>
>>Interstates seem so friendly in some ways....
>
>I think you had been riding too long if you saw such a sign.Firstly Hwy 50
>doesn't go through Reno, secondly it is not an Interstate and thirdly
>there are plenty of services on Hwy 50.  

 There sure are.. but very few of them are gas. <snicker>





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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 15 Sep 1992 13:42:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 18328@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>
>2) is it the bike makers that advertise with skin, or the aftermarket people?

Yes.

>        i haven't seen an ad in any rag, for a manufacturer, which shows any
>        amount of gratuitous flesh.

They don't put them in national magazines, too many people like Jody
and yduJ see them.  :^)  They mostly put them in calanders and pin-ups
that hang in garages and mechanic shops and roughneck pens (oh, wait,
that's right, the roughnecks' pics don't have bikinis...)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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