HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tim.g.thompson@att.com (Tim Thompson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:36:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs

In article <1992Aug24.123315.26248@osf.org>, rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz) writes:
|> I believe that INN's reader-server (nnrpd, the Net News Reader Protocol
|> Daemon) is more efficient than the reference implementation, so that helps.

What sort of authorization is in NNRP? Does it make use of an nntp_access
(or similar) file, providing host-level authentication and authorization
(in a loose sense), or does it do anything on a per-user basis?

				Tim Thompson
				tim.g.thompson@att.com
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.readers
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: relaynews vs the "threaded" newsreaders
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:47:51 GMT

In article <Btp4Jv.H9r@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>Given a database that permits quick (dbm-style) lookups by message-id
>or article file name, and that contains at least Message-Id: and
>References: header data and article file name for each article, could
>trn do everything it currently does?  (I'm assuming that spending a
>little time assembling linkages in core upon group entry is
>acceptable.)

I don't know.  It needs to be able to find an article's thread-parents, as
well as its thread-children.  While the former are in the References: lines,
the latter are only available by sucking up the entire database 8-;.  (Well,
not true, but the ability to find children of an arbitrary article is
necessary.  But there are a couple of ways to do that, assuming a nice,
quick database.)

-- 
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sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: corrupt lines in history file (Cnews)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:09:14 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Aug26.053234.26487@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton) writes:
>Is there a way to rebuild the indexes for a history file after it has
>been manually changed? Or will I have to run mkhistory to rebuild the
>history file from scratch?
>
>(From a quick look at expire.c expire rebuilds the indexes
>itself rather than calling any external program to do this.)

Well, one thing you can do is to run expire immediately after a set of
manual fixes...!

I think just "dbz -f history history" should work, although I have not
tried it lately.

>A suggestion for a future release: That an option be added to expire that
>causes bad lines in the history file to be written out to a separate
>file and not propagated to the new history file...

It's a thought, although expire is already juggling too many different
output streams...
-- 
There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: kafka@bull.bull.fr (kafka)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:56:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: bull.130
Organization: Bull, France

Ceci est un test
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: bsakach@wnas.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian Sakach)
Subject: article "header" contains non-RFC-1036-header line `'
Organization: NCR Corporation - Worldwide Network Appl. Services - Dayton, OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:58:10 GMT

I'm running the Performance Release of Cnews and I'm getting the rejected
article entries about headers that don't comply with RFC 1036.

Aug 25 10:59:47.000 wtcp - <1567@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> article "header" contains non-RFC-1036-header line `Keywords:'
Aug 25 09:59:42.000 ncrwat - <9855@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> article "header" contains non-RFC-1036-header line `Keywords:'
Aug 25 12:15:54.000 ncr-mpd - <2193@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> article "header" contains non-RFC-1036-header line `Summary:'

My problem is that I have over 100 machines worldwide running BNews 
2.11.08 within the NCR domain feeding a couple of machines running the 
Performance Release.  In most cases, these sites don't have admins capable 
of easily upgrading to CNews without extensive instructions/repackaged 
software tuned to a variety of boxes.  I can get the word out and alert
everyone of the problems but there will always be users that will not
get the message and articles that bounce every day.

What I desparately need is the ability to capture the article and 
strip out the offending headers without a big performance loss.  Has
anyone else encountered this problem?

-- 
* Brian.Sakach@DaytonOH.NCR.COM                                           *
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: C news administration
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:22:33 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Aug23.103923.18471@wvus.org> art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen) writes:
>>it mentions the book "Managing UUCP and Usenet".  The file 
>>says "it  is overwhelmingly  the right place for a novice 
>>system administrator."
>>Is this "the" book to have if your system is on the Internet?  
>
>This book is useful up to a point, but will not cover Internet-related
>topics...

Actually, the very latest edition has a chapter on NNTP, and based on a
quick glance through that chapter, it seems well done.

The book as a whole remains (a) in serious need of updating and (b) still
the best thing available for news administrators.
-- 
There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Subject: Another "CANCEL" question
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: net
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:38:14 GMT

	It seems relaynews wants to have a "junk" group for cancel
	control messages to work.

	1) Is there a way to disable this. I know you can modify the .h
	and name the group something else, but why does it need it?
	Can I disable, at compile, the use of it?

	2) If I HAVE to have a junk group, how can I set it up so
	users don't get asked if they want to subscribe or not. In
	other words, I create it, the next time I go in it asks me
	"new group junk: subscribe (y/n)?" I would like to make
	the group so that it is invisible to the users...

--
===============================================================   _|||_
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Internet : sergio@coqui.ingres.com                                [`-']  Keko
UUCP     : {sun,mtxinu,pyramid,pacbell}!ingres!coqui!sergio       _"_"_  Jones
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: relaynews vs the "threaded" newsreaders
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:08:30 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In <BtMBz5.1t9@borland.com> davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) writes:
>Maybe you and Rich should get together and talk. ...
Geoff and I have exchanged a handful of messages on this subject.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: in.coming on a different partition?
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:53:02 GMT

Peter Wemm:
>I suggested symlinking in.coming to point to our overflow catchment
>area and dump the system for trying to save and feed overflowed batches
>back in when there is space.

This should work fine, modulo the problem with spacefor that you noted.

>Anyway, the problem was that he maintained that the unbatcher split
>the articles in in.coming and linked the individual articles into
>the proper place - then unlinking the article in in.coming.

This is not the way relaynews works (though it sounds faintly like the way
B 2.11 News did things).  relaynews reads batches and creates the articles
under their ultimate names without renaming.

>I would have thought that moving in.coming off the /usr/spool/news
>partition would have been a gain, not a loss in performance.

It should indeed be a performance win.
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff

``Leave the evil grasping to us.'' - A. L. Arms, UNIX licensing, WECo.
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Which .newsrc editor?
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:22:16 GMT

There have been a few different utilities for ordering one's .newsrc file.

Does anyone have any recommendations on the best such utility and where
to find it?  Something that's easy for novices would be nice.


Thanks

-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com


Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich)
Subject: Suggestion/Question
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:07:44 GMT

I wonder if anyone has developed, in support of ease of use or what not,
a menu-oriented News management system.  Whereby anyone, from advanced
to newbie, could sit down, wallo through the menus and effectively
get things done without worrying about which file does what and when to
run it, bla bla bla.  It might also be useful for sending newsctl messages,
to make sure they are done _right_, etc.

I would imagine something like this implemented with curseperl or some such.

Just an idea... would like to know opinions.


-- 
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	   -------     morwyn!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu	  -------
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From: rmartin@melpar.UUCP (Rich Martin)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Cnews ranlib problem on SCO UNIX 3.2.2
Keywords: cnews sco
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:45:49 GMT
Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division, Falls Church, VA

I am having a problem getting cnews installed on my machine.  I am
trying to install cnews (2 May 1992 release) on an SCO UNIX 3.2.2
box and am getting the following error:

+ make ../ranlibed COPTS= DBM=
	ranlib ../libcnews.a
ranlib: ../libcnews.a:not an archive

libcnews.a is created earlier by ar.

Any ideas?

I would also appreciate any additional info on installing cnews on a 
SCO UNIX system. 

One last note....the optimizer is turned off.  I read that cnews will 
not compile right on SCO systems with the optimizer on.

If possible, reply via e-mail.

uunet!melpar!rmartin

Thanks...

Rich Martin
E-Systems, Melpar Division
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Announcing "sendbatches" for InterNetNews
Date: 1 Sep 1992 19:16:12 +0200
Organization: tomorrow, maybe
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
Summary: A C-News like sendbatches script and stuff

Sendbatches for INN is a small package whose goal is to furnish
an interface similar to the powerful sendbatches which is part
of the C-News distribution.

The sendbatches for INN also uses one configuration file
where the user can specify several parameters such as the muncher and
sender to be used as well as batch size limits.

The archive is available via anonymous ftp to grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr,
as /pub/unix/news/inn/contrib/sendbatches.tar.Z.

README file follows:

This package is an attempt to furnish a "sendbatches" for INN with similar
behavior than its C-News version.

----------  IMPORTANT  ----------

To unpack this tar archive, you should be in $inn (see INN's
Install.ms file if you don't know what $inn means) when doing
the tar xvf command.

The files will be put in $inn/contrib/sendbatches and the Makefile
assumes it really is there.

Rich Salz has agreed not to use the $inn/contrib for official stuff,
so what you'll find in this sub-directory is not part of the official
release of INN.

-----------------------------------

This version as well as its extensions will be made available via
anonymous ftp to grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr, in the directory
/pub/unix/news/inn/contrib/sendbatches.tar.Z

-----------------------------------

How to install sendbatches for INN.

- Edit and customize sendbatches.ctl, add one line for each site you
  feed batches to.

  Field 1:  site name (from the newsfeeds file)
  Field 2:  maximum # of batches (calls to batcher) per call
  Field 3:  size of batch (passed to batcher)
  Field 4:  muncher (in the batch sub-dir)
  Field 5:  sender (in batch) with its (few) arguments).

  Tabulation between each field.

- Change, delete and add whatever you need in the batch sub-dir.

- Run "make" to get sendbatches subst'ed (C version of subst only).

- Give an eye to the script if you wish.

- Check the install part of the Makefile in order to be sure none of
  your custom will be destroyed.

- Run "make install" with appropriate priviledge.

Update your crontab entries in order to run the script.

Example: 

0 * * * * /usr/local/news/bin/sendbatches site1 site2 there foo bar

ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY WITH THIS SOFTWARE.

Comments, questions to Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr.


-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
   "No keyboard, press F1 to continue"
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: rob@violet.berkeley.edu (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:54:27
Organization: /home/math_a/cc/rob/.organization
Distribution: inet
	<1992Aug23.160449.16410@eua.ericsson.se>
	<1992Aug24.123315.26248@osf.org>
	<1992Aug27.153600.16881@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: hanalei.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: tim.g.thompson@att.com's message of 27 Aug 92 15:36:00 GMT


In article <1992Aug27.153600.16881@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tim.g.thompson@att.com (Tim Thompson) writes:

   What sort of authorization is in NNRP? Does it make use of an nntp_access
   (or similar) file, providing host-level authentication and authorization
   (in a loose sense), or does it do anything on a per-user basis?

it does both.  per user/group access is accomplished with username/password
pairs in the nnrp.access file.  

the format of the file is:

#
#       hostname:perm(read/post):user:pass:groups

regular expressions work for hostnames and groups.

rob
--
			  william robertson
		       rob@violet.berkeley.edu

     "when i was your age, i walked 10 miles to school, unarmed."
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: strike@steam.rome.ny.us (Strikemaster)
Subject: Request for archive sites
Organization: Iron Horse InfoSys
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 23:53:38 GMT
Keywords: C-news source archive

I realize this is probably addressed in the FAQ list, but I haven't seen a
copy of the FAQ in over a year.

Can someone mail or post a list of the anonymous UUCP sites currently
archiving the C-news sources/patch files?

Danke.


-- 
       Tim Bowser ("Strikemaster")       | strike@steam.rome.ny.us or try
    Chip Socketer & Tape Twiddler of     |    batcomputer!steam!strike
   The Iron Horse Information Service    |--------------------------------
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From: cowleym@Schulz.UniSA.edu.au
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: INN installation malloc problem
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:43:17 GMT
Reply-To: cowleym@Schulz.UniSA.edu.au ()
Organization: University of South Australia


G'day,

Earlier I wrote:
I am trying to install INN on a DEC station 5000, running Ultrix 4.2A  .
It's advised in $inn/README that I use the malloc supplied in the lib 
directory but I  get these errors:

cc -I../include -g -c malloc.c
ccom: Error: malloc.c, line 117: syntax error
      malloc(nbytes)
      -----^
ccom: Error: malloc.c, line 120: illegal register declaration
                register union overhead *p;
      ------------------------------------^
ccom: Error: malloc.c, line 121: illegal register declaration
                register int bucket = 0;
      ------------------------------^
etc.

when I try to do:

		make libinn.a lint   	in $inn/lib

I've added "malloc.o" and "malloc.c" to MISSING_OBJ and MISSING_SRC lines in
config.data.

rsalz@uunet.uu.net (Rich Salz) replied:
>Look to see if you have malloc #define'd in some header file in
>/usr/include.  Or make sure that the POINTER typedef is set up right
>in your config file.
>
>>cc -I../include -g -c malloc.c
>>ccom: Error: malloc.c, line 117: syntax error
>>      malloc(nbytes)
>>      -----^
>This is the root error -- it doesn't seem to think that you are starting
>a function.

Now, I've found no malloc's #define'd in /usr/include, and POINTER is void in
config.data, BUT I am using the C version of 'subst' and subst.c has *malloc()
declared as an extern char. Could this be my problem? And if so, how do I
overcome it?

Margaret
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Xref: sparky news.software.b:2829 news.software.nntp:1055
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:52:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: osf.1992Aug28.175248.5962
Organization: Open Software Foundation

> However, how is [authentcation] implemented? Is it based on 
>the way user-level authentiation is done in NNTP 1.5.11? 
From doc/innd.8:
	.IP 2.
	The
	.I "``authinfo user''"
	and
	.I "``authinfo pass''"
	commands are implemented.
	These are based on the reference Unix implementation; no other documentation

I won't quote the section ofdoc/nnrpd.8 that says the same thing.

INN's newsreader version allows you to do the authinfo stuff at any time
during newsreading.  This means the program can connect to the server
and do host-based stuff.  A newsreader program could then allow the
human to specify an additional name/password which gives them more
access.
	/r$
Xref: sparky news.software.b:2846 news.software.readers:1728
From: gdonl@sunrise.ssi1.com (Don Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: relaynews vs the "threaded" newsreaders
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:10:55 GMT
Organization: Silicon Systems, Nevada City CA

In article <BtMBz5.1t9@borland.com> davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) writes:
>geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) wrote:
>> My earlier bold prediction, of feeding modified versions of mthreads and
>> nnmaster with the headers of articles as they arrive, is unlikely to be
>> realised.  After staring at mthreads (the harder case), it appears that
>> the trn database is organised such that it cannot be efficiently updated
>> as articles arrive
>
>Exactly.  Trn's thread files were designed as a space-efficient snapshot
>of the entire group organized via Reference lines.  Space efficiency was
>the overriding design goal (the machine it was developed on had about 60M
>of space dedicated to news :-).  So, I'd agree that feeding mthreads single
>articles isn't a good idea (though I know of one fellow who has modified
>C news to do exactly that).

That's me B-)   I added the thread building stuff to relaynews and I
only use mthreads to expire.  I don't recommend it either since reading
a .thread file, updating the data, writing it back out and replacing
the original file makes relaynews dreadfully slow.  A deficiency
relative to mthreads is that mthreads can dig around in the article
body for references if it notices that the Subject begins with "Re: "
and it doesn't find a References: header, while my hack does not
have this ability.  The final problem is that it adds to the difficulty
of keeping up with the latest software releases - I'm still running
the July '91 C news release.  When I upgrade to the Performance release,
I'll probably drop back to a more vanilla configuration.

>It would be interesting to see the "relations database" kept on the
>entire news-base so that trn could be enhanced to follow threads as
>they wind their way through various groups.

This is a really desirable feature.
-- 
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Internet: gdonl@ssi1.com       FAX:   +1 916 478-8290   138 New Mohawk Road
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: reclaim discarded news?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:15:45 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Aug20.073955.10141@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
>	incoming news discarded due to space shortage
>
>Is there any way to use the ihave/sendme protocol or some other mechanism to
>get our newsfeed to resend the discarded news?
>
>Is it possible to reconstruct a togo file from the history file(s)?

It's hard to construct a list of things you *didn't* get, short of getting
copies of your history file and your neighbor's history file onto the same
machine and comparing.  The "histfrom" and "newsfrom" utilities can help
build a list of articles to be retransmitted, if your neighbor is willing
to take the trouble and you can give him a fairly precise idea of *when*
the missing articles were lost.
-- 
There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.readers
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: reclaim discarded news?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:24:10 GMT
Organization: Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <BtGrIA.G0q@zoo.toronto.edu>,
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
> It's hard to construct a list of things you *didn't* get, short of getting
> copies of your history file and your neighbor's history file onto the same
> machine and comparing.

Note that you can use C News's built in handling of ihave messages to make
this easier.  I once wrote a simple batcher called 'batchth' (stands for
'they have') which allowed me to put a copy of my neighbour's history
file (or log file, or any file where each line includes one message-id
mixed with other junk) into out.going/neighbour-theyhave/togo and then
sit back waiting for the missing articles to arrive.

How did it work?  batchth is based on the standard batchih, and it turns
the neighbour-theyhave/togo file into one or more ihave control messages,
forged to appear as if they came from the neighbour.  The ihave messages
are sent to the local inews, and from here on everything works exactly
as if the neighbour really had sent the ihave messages.  One problem is
that it requires that you and the neighbour configure ihave/sendme feeds.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za             Bang: m2xenix!quagga!undeed!barrett
From: perry@jpunix.com (John A. Perry)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: I can't post..
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:14:50 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:18:28 -0500 (CDT)

Hello Everyone,

I just installed the May 92 release of C-news on a SCO ODT 2.0 running
on a 486.  Everything seems to work with the exception of posting. I
have tried posting with various newsreaders including RN, TRN, TIN,
and the included Postnews. No errors are generated and everything
appears as thought the article got posted correctly. But, the posted
article is vapor. It never shows up anywhere. I have checked the log,
history, and error files and they show nothing. I have tried posting
as a normal user and as a super-user. No postings anywhere. The latest
version of C-news I ran before this was the Aug. 91 release on an ATT
3B2. I had no problems with that. Has something changed in the posting
mechanism? Am I leaving a new module out in the crontab? Any help
would be greatly appreciated. Notice I had to post this using a
email->usenet gateway because I can't post in the first place.

-- 

 John A. Perry  -  perry@jpunix.com
                   jpunix!perry
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp