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From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VAX Account
Date: 28 Jul 1992 11:31:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
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In article 19794@dscomsf.desy.de, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.212548.41890@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
>srvylab1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>|>A friend of mine is going to University of East Anglia this fall and is
>|>wondering if it is possible to get a VAX account or somthing similar.  Any
>|>information would be great.  Thanks.
>
>VAX account in East Anglia? What do you think they are made of money?
>You should count yourself lucky if you get a rusty abacus. You'd have to
>be a reader at least before you got to get an account on the campus sun
>workstation (they may get a second in ten years time). To get a VAX
>account you'd have to have at least one if not two Nobel prizes.
>
>You Americans should remember what a poor country the UK is, we only
>have six computers and that includes the Babage machine which has yet to
>be delivered. The rest of us have to get by by hacking into foreign
>computers and stealing time on them.

Phill - you got it wrong:

He actually wanted an account to use a VAX - you know one of
those vacuum cleaners with water in it.

Martin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Subject: Re: marmite
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:10:21 GMT

In article <4764@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:

>I also remember the concentrated NHS orange juice available at the time (this
>was right after WW2), boy that had a *potent* taste to a 2 year old. Another
>thing, which may be found in your local British food store, is Cod-Liver-Oil-
>and-Malt, which sounds like it ought to be revolting but actually has a taste
>to die for (no, wise guy, not to die of). 

Cod Liver Oil and Extract of Malt were (in my house, anyway) two different
spoonsful.  I too liked Cod Liver Oil, which astounded my schoolfellows.
But Boots' Extract of Malt would have graced any menu on Mount Olympus.
Marmite, Shmarmite.

-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
   ajw@aus.hf.intel.com       ...uunet!intelhf!aus!ajw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Biggles Books
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:03:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) writes:
>I have a friend who is interested in buying the Biggles series of books.
>    [ . . .]
>Second, how many books are there in the series? I seem to recall around
>ten or twelve, but books of this nature seem to keep growing in number.

I just got round to opening last week's "Guardian Weekly", and lo and
behold there was a page-and-a-half article by Richard Boston all about
the forthcoming Biggles anniversary. There were no less than 104 Biggles
books, so the ten being republished over the next two years represent
only a tiny fraction of the whole.

-- 
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 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pasupat@ecf.toronto.edu (Subbarayan Pasupathy)
Subject: PETER CHEYNEY BOOK LIST WANTED
Keywords: Peter Cheyney,Lemmy Caution,Slim Callaghan
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:50:01 GMT

I used to enjoy reading P.Cheyney and would like to collect
his books.If any fan is out there with a complete list of his
books, I would appreciate a copy e-mailed to me.( I don't 
normally read this group).(I tried posting this in
rec.arts.books, but didn't get any response; hence, I am
posting it here).
Thanks for any help.
S.Pasupathy
pasupat@ecf.toronto.edu



Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Alleged discrimination at UK ports/airports
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.092107.19834@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.145853.16193@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>>
>>      This seems to depend on the airport.  At San Francisco I was dragged
>>      from the tail of the very long "other passports" line to the
>>      "US Nationals" where we processed together (the way they prefer
>>      to do it at SF).  The waving of strangely coloured passports and
>>      photo IDs and pieces of official-looking paper by us caused great
>>      consternation amongst those behind us.
>
>Interesting.  Are you married to a US national, or do you just travel
>together?  Ann and I aren't married, and while we usually do try to go
>through customs together (a good idea, since we share our luggage)
>we've never tried using the fact that we are travelling together to get
>us into the same passport control line.

	Married to a U.S. national.  This practice may be specific
	to SFO.  The immigration officer instructed my wife to come
	and get me from the back of a line full of drunken skinheads.
	The practice might have something to do with the vast numbers
	of immigrants that were entering through SFO.  Incidentally,
	the SFO immigration really knew their procedures.  (Wasn't my
	immigration trip BTW)
>
>>      Ever try Dallas?  Friendliest immigration folks I ever met.
>
>No, never did use Dallas for international flights.
>I could
>believe that 'traditional Southern hospitality' might have an effect,
>though.  Virtually all my international flights, except 2 through SFO,
>have been through airports in the NorthEast.  Pittsburgh is not too
>bad.  Boston, and the various New York airports, are the pits.  Philly
>and Washington are marginally better, but still nothing to write home
>about.
>
	I was warned about the immigration officers at New York by
	State Dept. folks when I was given my immigration visa.  My
	other entries through JFK and O'Hare were not pleasant.
	Customss were the real problem.  More by accident than design I
	immigrated through Dallas.  My reception was very smooth, the
	man in front of me was a Syrian and he received a much more
	thorough going over.

		Alec.
From: jrowney@arco.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Alleged discrimination at UK ports/airports
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:59:11 GMT
Organization: ARCO E & P T

[stuff deleted]

I have only two experiences:

Upon re-entry to England last year, I went through the EEC line while my wife
(who is from S. America) went through the Others line.  She was told that in
the future she should always go through the EEC line with me even though we do
not have the same last name etc.

As for Dallas, we did our green card processing at DFW and they were a most
courteous and reasonable efficient bunch.

Just my thruppence worth.

John
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Manners (was Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Sy
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:06:28 GMT

In article <l6uf8mINNnh6@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, iang@timbuk3.EBay.Sun.COM
(Ian Griffin - Sun Milpitas -  SalesDesk Support) writes:
> A well known study by Prof. Norbert Elias ("The Civilising Process")
> proves a strong correlation between the evolution of manners and
> the increasing density and complexity of society.  An example

This guy had clearly never been to Paris.

> It's still considered "rude" to point your table knife
> at someone.

Not rude, just bloody dangerous!

Simon.

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eurocentrism [was Three-Syllable Words]
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:10:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>In
>article <1992Jul21.125216.23368@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew >Huntbach) writes:
>|> From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>|> In article <1992Jul20.084847.18570@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk >(Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>|> |> What is democratic about this? Why is it that Americans often
>|> |> use the word "democratic" in contexts where it has nothing at
>|> |> all to do with the people having real power over government,
>|> |> which is what "democratic" actually means?
>|> >
>|> >Buy a dictionary.   Meaning 2b of the word "democratic" in
>|> >the American Heritage Dictionary is "carried on by the people
>|> >in general".
>|>
>|> All this means is that Americans have misused the word for so
>|> long that the misuse has got into the dictionary.
>
>And all that means is that you have decided to reject common
>usage.    An elistist pedant rejects a common usage of the
>word - wait for it - "democracy".  No surprise there, I'd say.
>
>Why should the people take advice on democracy from someone
>who wants to impose archaic usage on them?

To me "democracy" means "government by the people or their
elected representatives". Is that really archaic usage? The
usage you describe may be common in the USA, but it is not in
the UK, and long may that continue. I don't want to slide into
dictatorship with everyone saying we're still a democracy
because Big Brother eats marmite on toast just like everyone
else.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:20:13 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <KILLER.92Jul29174245@robocop.hut.fi> killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:

>In article <4139@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>   killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) wrote:
>    ) Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England are NOT countries.

>   assumption that English is not your first language?                 / g

>Unless Kalle is an English forename, then your assumption was quite
>safe one.  I should have said 'nations'.  On the other hand, my
>Random House dictionary says that country == nation, so your point
>is somewhat moot.

IHMO, dictionaries aren't specialists in social scientific terminology and 
are known to have made grave misdefinitions. An easiest example of the 
difference between 'nation' and 'state' could be found in our (Kalle's and 
mine) ex-neighbouring state, the Soviet Union: clearly the SU wasn't a 
nation but a state composed of several nations. As surely as a Scot would 
take your opinion as an insult and perhaps respond in a less peaceful way, 
the same would have happened in the Soviet Estonia a few years ago.

>Toisaalta, voisinhan min{ vastailla teid{n kirjoituksiinne
>suomeksikin, muutei minua silloin kukaan ymm{rt{isi eik{ vastauksia
>varmaankaan h|yry{v{n{ kymen{ satelisi.  :)

Ei pid{ olla niin varma, ett{ on ainoa suomalainen ko. ryhm{ss{. :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 1992 16:58:59 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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In article <40460004@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> geoff@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Geoff Badger) writes:
>
>PS - You are lucky. No US TV station even shows "Danger Mouse".

  Nickelodeon does, or at least it used to.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:12:17 GMT

In article <l6rupuINNgt0@news.bbn.com> saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin) writes:
>matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:
>
>->..you don't need to pay more than 450 to get something of professional
>->quality.
>
>Particularly in Cambridge, unless you are singularly keen on wealth
>redistribution.
>
>	Steve Austin

Well, if the person who is interested in using a bike around Cambridge (whose
original posting and name I have forgotten) wishes to use a "decent" mountain
bike I would purchase it here and take it over to the UK. A good, 
semi-proffesional bike around the Cambridge area would cost at least 450
as Matthew mentions. Here the equivalent will cost around $600.
Considering the exchange rate ($1.93 = GBP 1) at the moment it
may be worthwhile taking one over there. Once you have used it (if you
are there for a limited time) you can always sell it second-hand (and probably
still get a reasonable amount of money back..considering you bought it
in dollars).

Sanjiv

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From: bs30@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:46:05 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated
In-reply-to: sooz@iastate.edu's message of 28 Jul 92 01:56:23 GMT

In article <sooz.712288583@vincent1.iastate.edu> sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley) writes:

	I just can't stand provinciality from any quarter.

How narrow-minded!  Can't even tolerate a little provinciality.
(Those Yanks are all the same)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.063812.22391@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>I think it is kind of touching how, deep in their hearts, Americans
>know that all things British are better than all things American.

1) I wish I could believe this was the reason (kitcsh is nearer the truth, I
   suspect).

2) Much as Americans do frequently exasperate me, individually and
   collectively, so do the British (nation of shopkeepers?  don't want to sell
   you things---going down the Tot Ct Rd in London asking for a gadget for the
   phone, all said they hadn't got it admitting after saying so that they
   didn't even know what I meant ie I could just be using the wrong name).  So
   if the Americans believe this, they are probably wrong.  Bv<

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From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN  II -- Murk-y-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:49:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.war
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I presume this is as unwelcome in soc.culture.british as it is in
rec.games.empire - note the followup-to: (or send me email).

In article <1992Jul24.155538.23251@dscomsf.desy.de>, poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser) writes:
> Now, Phill, be fair!  The U*S forces never really attempted to the Tornados
> out of the sky, service rivalry notwithstanding, they just took potshots at
> British tanks, for muchly needed target practice, no doubt.

The above comment is simply being gratuitously insulting. In some circles,
it's known as flame-bait.

The tanks hit by american planes were misidentified (not known to be british),
and more target practice would simply have guaranteed less ammo expenditure
in destroying them.
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From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:23:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <6497@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk> ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Speed Freak) writes:
>fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>
>
>
>>>=>Neil Postlethwaite (neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk) writes:
>>>=>
>>>=>> Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation
>>>=>> of the world had really gotten out of hand.
>
>>It hasn't happened here dude :-)
>
>Isn't it sad that many British people worship the Americans.  Just look at 
>all the filthy scum who wear New York Yankee baseball caps for instance.

And those f*cking *sad* "Raiders" jackets.

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From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: LINDISFARNE MEAD
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:33:55 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems

mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

> >Anyone out there know where I can get a bottle of this in the United
> >States?  (For those of you not familiar with this, it's a honey liqueur
> >made up on Lindisfarne Island in Northumberland, north of Alnwick).
> >Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Kerry Cater.
> 
> It's a wine, not a liqueur. It's made by a process of
> fermentation, but using honey in the place of grapes. Liqueurs
> are made by adding things to a spirit base.
> 
> Matthew Huntbach

Thank you so very much for clearing up the difficulty with the
terminology.

Kerry, if anyone was able to help you out with the information you
were after, please email me, as I'd like to know too.

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From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Linoleum
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:26:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Jul21.041300.20587@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
> And, as I intimated earlier, the sodden pulp, still recognisably bread,
> having been determined to carry nothing more of interest, is quite properly
> discarded over the side of the highchair.  Fortunately all floors are
> covered by linoleum.
Gosh! Do people still play on the linoleum.
I guess that only the upper classes still have linoleae; the lower
classes play on vinyls.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Subject: Americanising of the UK
Summary: none
Keywords: non
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:56:23 GMT

Neil Postlethwaite, et al. write that they are concerned about the increasing
Americanization (couldn't resist spelling it that way :-) !) of the rest of the
world - Britain in particular. Well, I'd like to make a couple of points.
  A) In the past few years there has been a tendency to use British accents in
     commercials on American TV (Reach toothbrushes, for one) and British 
     actors/personalities are all over American TV - Patrick Stewart, Billy 
     Connolly, Alice Krige, Tracy Ullman - just to name a few. Should we be 
     wondering about the "Briticising" of the US?
  B) I have never seen a box of Ariel on sale in the US. Even though it is a
     P&G product, it is not American. I don't know why the American spelling of
     color was used but, I'm guessing that most of the powers-that-be at the UK
     branch of P&G are British themselves and had a reason for using the 
     American spelling.
  C) I've never seen a British product on sale here that _didn't_ use the UK
     spelling and, as far as I know, precious few Americans would find it 
     offensive. Quaint, perhaps. Classy, more likely, but not offensive.
  D) If les choses americains are so offensive, why does so much of the world
     gobble the stuff up? There aren't enough Americans living abroad to keep
     McDonald's, etc, afloat. Somebody else must be eating their food, buying
     Levi's, watching those dreadful TV programmes. 
  
And now I know that none of you are going to believe this, as my postings to 
this newsgroup all seem to be in defence of American tourists, habits, etc. -
but I want to assure you that I am not some ranting super-patriot. I just can't
stand provinciality from any quarter. Is it impossible for people to refrain
from descending into these "Nationality X are nothing but uncultured slobs." 
"--Well, but you're all a bunch of pompous buffoons." discussions? Must we 
insult others to have any sense of self-worth? 

-- Just my tirade for the day. :-)

Susan B.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:12:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul27.160434.10173@cs.hw.ac.uk>, neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
> Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
> had really gotten out of hand. 
             ^^^^^^

Hoist by your own pe'tard!

> Neil
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