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From: jfp001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Drake Bulldogs Update
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:28:05 GMT

Just to add a little Drake angle to that MVC preview. The Bulldogs have gotten
off to a impressive 2-1 start (considering we went 6-21 last year, and it IS
impressive), with a 21-point win over Cal State-Sacramento (one of the worst
teams in Div. I) and a 13-point win over Cal State-Fullerton (a somewhat better
opponent from the Big West). Fullerton had previously beaten Northern Iowa
by 11 at the UNI-Dome (so that may say something)
  Both those wins came in our brand-spanking new, Drake Center, which seats
a cozy 7,002. Before the Bulldogs used to play at the much larger Veterans
Auditorium downtown, but having our new on-campus arena has shown nothing
but benefits in the first two games. Attendance is up, particularly from the 
students, who've also gotten much more into the games, and Coach Washington
has said how it is becoming Drake's sixth man.
  BTW, Drake's lone loss so far came at Colorado State 96-86, a game in which
they had a 9-point first half lead, but poor shooting did them in.
  As expected, JUCO transfer Curt Smith is leading the way for the Bulldogs,
scoring 26, 19, and 30 points in his first three games. The 5-10 guard was 
the California JUCO POY last year, and a 2nd-team JUCO All-American. He is the
brother of former Georgetown standout guard Charles Smith. Some say that
Curt reminds you of Tim Hardaway. He was also recruited heavily by Arkansas
and Cincinnati.
  Other Bulldogs off to good starts are center Adrian Thomas, forward William
Celestine and guard Jeff Allen. Allen has been the team's go-to man for
three-pointers. He tied a Drake record with 8 in the CSU game. By the way,
Rudy Washington Jr. (the coach's son), was a first-team all-stater in high
school last year, for those who read the preview. He has looked OK in the
little action he's seen. His HS teammate 6-10 261 lb. center Khary Stanley
came to Drake with him. Stanley's a project -  he may have some potential, 
but he needs to put on more muscle (a lot of that weight is where it shouldn't
be).
  Anyway, considering the way Drake has looked at home so far, it should move
its record up to 4-1 by Monday with Lewis University (some Div. II team) and
San Jose State (last year's Big West cellar dweller) coming to town Sat. and
Monday respectively. The team then breaks until Jan.2, when it plays its 
toughest two games of the season, at LSU on the 2nd, at home against Iowa
on the 4th. I'm still pissed that the Iowa game is during semester break. After
the Hawkeyes, Drake then starts the MVC schedule at Creighton on the 9th.
  That's about it from Bulldog country. Let's get some more posts on the MVC 
once the league season starts. If I get any comments from this, maybe I'll 
continue with Drake updates, especially if we start surprising people.

LATER - John P. jfp001@acad.drake.edu
 
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Bobby Hurley
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:55:15 GMT

	I know that this whole subject has been posted to death, but Bobby
Hurley does have (or will get) the stamina to play pro ball. When he was
in high school he used to run x-country in order to get in shape for
b-ball. His times were respectable (I think that he broke 18 min. for a 5k
once or twice, which means he was varsity on an average high school
team.), but they really don't prove tha he can play pro ball. What they do
prove, however, is that Bobby Hurley is one of those athletes who will do
whatever it takes for success. His skills on the basketball court are all
learned- his court vision comes from endless hours of playing time. He is
a little slow of foot, but he appears so much quicker because of the way
he moves his feet. His hard waork has allowed him success against NBA
caliber players- Kenny Anderson, Corch, and Crotty, and there is no reason
to think that he won't continue to improve in the NBA.



	-John Conroy
	"A little bit of Cameron in Happy Valley, Utah."
From: rich@psipost.UUCP (Rich Main)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:53:32 GMT
Organization: Post Software International, Wake Forest, NC

In article <4431@cvbnetPrime.COM>, csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but...
> Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
> whose point guard has the game of his life,
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nice bait!  Let's see if the fish are biting...
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Ohio St. Greatest
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:46:15 GMT


	In case U missed it, I'm taking votes for the all-time
	greats for Ohio St.  Mail me your 1st team, and then anyone
	U want on the bench.  I will compile the results and post them
	after Xmas break.

	Jazzy J

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From: richarje@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: Should a woman coach a women's team?
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:47:46 GMT

Well, I think either CAN coach a women's team, once they are used to the 
differences.  I doubt John Thompson could coach a good women's team (some might
argue his ability to coach men.  Not me, just some), because he seems quite 
inadequate in recruiting and coaching both shooters and guards in general.
To support my claim, (sorry, but high school is the closest I come) the coach 
of the women's team at my high school is a man, and has done an amazing job
with the players he has.  He has been Coach of the Year, etc. several times, 
and is able to bring out the talents of his female players.  I think women 
coach women because almost no ADs will give them men's jobs.  In fact, 
probably NO AD will let women coach men.  So, the women take the jobs they are
 most qualified (from the standpoint of experience) to take.

Just my $.02

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:49:27 GMT

In article <Bz5s8I.AF1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )  
writes:
> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
> 
> >Does Hurley remind anyone of Mark Price, and how do they compare?
> 
> 	Not really.  When I think of Mark Price, I think dead-eye outside
> 	shooting and 3-pters.  That's certainly not Hurley.
> 	Hurley is great ball-handling and finding the open man.

Agreed, Hurley only shot 43% from the field last year, though he
did make 42% of his 3's.  Hurley is much more of a distributor
than a pure shooter.  (Though do note that Price had the advantage
of the closer 3 point stripe).

OD

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: muwab@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (William A. Brien)
Subject: Fight!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:52:23 GMT

Imagine a regular season game.  Your team of choice, the _______s,
are playing the _______s.  It's getting down to the last second, and it's
a blowout.  There is no way to even get close in this one.  Suddenly,
there's a breakaway!  Running down the court is _______, going for the 
score!  BOOOOM!  _______ clotheslines him, sending him onto a crumpled
mess of photographers.  The benches clear!  A mass fight ensues in the
center of the floor!

Well, now that we have the imagery fresh in your mind...

Pick the team that, in your mind, is the (theoretically) *toughest*,
*baddest*, and just plain *ain't-no-one-beating-MY-ass* in the whole
NCAA.  

Then, pick your least favorite team.

Put them against each other in the previous situation.

Tell us what happens.  =)

Make it fun.  Make it exciting.  Make it...  Make it...

Ah, enough.  Just do it.  It'll be fun.  Truuuuuuust me.  

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From: vincent@lagrange (Mark Vincent)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:47:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins
Keywords: 1985, Big East, Final Four

In article <1992Dec17.222603.21321@nlm.nih.gov> frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov (Jim Frohnofer) writes:

>Pitt was middle of the pack, but I believe they went to the tourney.  I think
>BC was the solid fifth.  Had Michael Adams (Boston College) hit his buzzer 
>beater in the regional final, it would have been an all Big East final four.

I don't quite follow this one.  If it's the 1985 NCAA tourney we're    
discussing, then the other regional final (aside from the ones which pro-
pelled Georgetown, St. John's, and Villanova to the Final Four) was the
Midwest Final, which that year had #1 seed Oklahoma (with Wayman Tisdale)
against #2 seed Memphis St. (Lee, Bedford, Turner, etc.).  Memphis State won.

I don't remember what the Eagles did in the tournament that year.  Of course,
after my take-home final I don't remember much of anything.

Happy Holidays,
UM

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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: Purdue vs Loyola Chicago
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:02:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.151743.27591@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers) writes:

>12 December 1992 -- West Lafayette, Indiana
>
>FINAL SCORE : PURDUE - 84  LOYOLA - 70
>Loyola     Mns  FG      FT      REB     A       ST      BK      PF      PTS
>
>Spiker      3   0-0     0-0     0       1       0       0       0       0
					^^^

WOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!   GO SPIKER!!!!

Pat
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Defending Louisville
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:16:58 GMT

In article <160.149.uupcb@tfd.gwinnett.com> gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil  
Levitch)  writes:

> He's doing just fine, Steve, or he wouldn't be playing. U of L,
> academically, is tougher on it's athletes than most public institutions.
> In fact their rules governing student athletes is more stingent that the
> NCAA's.

Wasn't Crum complaining about this bitterly several years ago,
and threatening to leave when his contract comes up?                             

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From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Date: 21 Dec 1992 05:04:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article <92355.203633MGN102@psuvm.psu.edu> MGN102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I WATCHED THE TARHEELS DEMOLISH THE BUTLER BULLDOGS TODAY ON ESPN 103-56.  I AM
>.


I am and always have been a Tarheels fan.  The team this year 
looks good enough to take it all.  Of course, they only have
Dean Smith for a coach, the best coach in the history of college
basketball.  Today's game showed what the Heels are capable of.

Looking forward to a great season,

Greg
From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:26:28 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch)  writes:

>MM>People who aren't familiar with basketball in the Commonwealth
>MM>might think the Rozier technical was an isolated incident.  I contend
>MM>however that it is indicative of the lack of discipline, and style
>MM>of play that is encouraged, either directly, or indirectly by the
>MM>coaching staff for the Cards.  It is a shame, because it cheapens the
>MM>'magic' of the Dream Game, and reflects poorly on the Commonwealth
>MM>of Kentucky to boot!

>MM>And Lord knows we don't need anymore negative press  :-)

>Lord knows, Matt, UK doesn't need anymore negative press. U of L has
>never had any.

I apologize if you misunderstood my comment on negative press.  I
meant for the Commonwealth as a whole, not just UK.

UofL has had their fair share of negative press recently, stemming
from the 60 Minutes story featuring Denny Crum and his philosophy
on College being the stablehands for players, grooming them to 
play in the professional ranks, without worrying about finishing
their college degrees.

While I personally don't consider this to be entirely negative, the
perception of the rest of the nation might be otherwise.

Any true UK fan will admit to mistakes made by past coaching
staffs and Alumni, and work to move forward in a positive manner.
All sports at UK have benefitted from C.M. Newton, Bill Curry, and
Rick Pitino.  The manner in which UK turned negative into positive
should serve as a role model for other programs in the nation.

> gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: UNC's Derrick Phelps
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:48:57 GMT

hbolande@java.journalism.indiana.edu (H. A. Bolande) writes:
>Just wondering whether any other Tarheel fans out there are as worried as  
>I am about the Carolina point guard pattern that Derrick Phelps seems to  
>be slipping into . . . Can you say King Rice II in 3-D?

This Tarheel fan isn't.  IMHO, King Rice was pretty good at handling the
press and could play decent defense (I used to love the days he gave
Hurley fits), but didn't have the court-awareness and penetration
abilities that Phelps has.  

>I like D-Smooth's defense and ball-handling ability, but it seems like the  
>last time UNC had a PG that could be counted on to score was in the days  
>of Kenny Smith (Lebo was better as a shooting guard).

Perhaps Phelps cannot be counted on to score 10+ every night, but it seems
like Williams, Montross, Lynch, and Reese don't mind doing it.  What does
Phelps give us?  He gives us (IMHO) one of the best defense PGs in the league
with very solid (sorry Curtis) ball-handling skills.  If he can frustrate
other PGs (read: Hurley) and keep the offense running smoothly, the rest
of the crew will continue to pick up the slack.

BTW, I don't think we can expect him to shoot 23.5% for the entire season.
He's simply better than that.  

Also note that when Rice was here, we had NO ONE to back him up.  Dante
has shown that he can handle the press and is a more than respectable
shooter (7-11 FGs, 3-6 3FGs).  Same goes for Rodl.

>The annoying syndrome's symptoms are all there: occasional flashes of  
>offensive competence just to make you wonder why the shooting confidence  
>ain't there all the time. 

He's taking the shots, just ain't hitting them.  I think he just hasn't
gotten back into the flow yet.  He'll get better.

>Donald Williams seems to be moving into Hubert Davis' shoes quickly, but 
>I have my doubts about Carolina's ability to go all the way with everybody 
>being so specialized.

Who is specialized?  As far as I can tell, Phelps, Williams, Montross,
Lynch, Reese, Rodl, Calabria, Salvadori, and Sullivan add more than single 
dimensions to the game.  Sure the Heels need some work and some tuning,
but the ability is there.  Whether they can muster it into some big prizes
is yet to be determined, but they look good so far.

>--Just some food for thought. Responses and follow-ups from sarcastic  
>Dookies are NOT welcome.

Beware the anti-woof!

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From: ray.horton@tfd.gwinnett.com (Ray Horton) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Loui
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: ray.horton@tfd.gwinnett.com (Ray Horton) 

SP>Jazzy J wrote:
JJ> Actually, I also thought that the '86 team had quite a good group
JJ> of senior leadership, with Billy Thompson, Jeff Hall, and Milt

SP>Very well said, Jazzy. My sentiments exactly, except Billy Thompson was
SP>a freshman. Lancaster Gordon was on that team.

Sorry to correct you after your superb earlier message on the subject, 
Gil, but Thompson WAS a senior in '86 and Gordon was in the NBA by then.  
You may be thinking of the '83 team (the year of the first "dream game" 
- another final four year). 

Here's a not-so-trivial trivia question about Louisville: 
Name the single player who was on all three of the 1980, '82, and '83 
U of L final four teams?

I think the Louisville-based KIPCUG's Fifth Dimension BBS has made it's 
new presence here on the BBALL conference known quite well!
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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1993 Final Four
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:48:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <8130@news.duke.edu>, whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>Who is going to make this year's Final Four?
>Lets see some upset picks, also.
>
>-Will (UNC, Duke, Kansas, Arkansas)
>
Lets see: MARYLAND, Puke, Kansas, Michigan (or dUNCe)
Maryland and Kansas in the final. Thanks to the supernatural brilliance of
Gary Williams a scrappy big white guy (tM) from off of the bench makes a
beautiful buzzerbeating three from half court to win the game 82-81.
As always flames to alt.puke.sucks and alt.dUNCe.swallows
Followups to rec.sport.basketball.college and alt.religion.Gary.Williams
Praise through Email (but make it quick I'm out of here on Monday and won't be
back till mid January and will be writting from the good ole UofMd itself)
PS, will some one please teach me to draw a similey for these posts?

OBGWilliams: Gary Williams is God, I shall pray to him for a smiley

<LIGHTS appear followed by a divine Basketball thumping noise pounding away at
the keys here>

8^)

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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: UNC scratched by, but defeats Cougars
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:35:09 GMT

Orin Day:

> Would that be "solid", as opposed to "stiff"?

Would that be "solid," as opposed to "stiff?" <g>

Mike (just checking)

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From: rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:26:29 GMT
Organization: Center for Information Technology Intergration, University of Michigan
Distribution: world
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In article <Bz7L4M.Hx2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:

[ Spewings of idiot deleted ]

|> 
|> 	Yeah, it's someone opinion -- I just didn't agree with it.  However,
|> 	if U notice, I usually use facts and figures to compare players,
|> 	I don't do things based on personal emotion or feeling.  I try to
|> 	view things from an objective point, and make my opinions that way.
|> 	
|> 	My real feeling about Hurley is the "wait-and-see" approach.  Given,
|> 	Hurley has had much success at Duke, but I still think parts of his
|> 	game need improvement for the adjustment to the pros.  Don't get me
|> 	wrong, I think he will be an excellent pro -- just not a total impact
|> 	player in his first few years.
|> 
|> 	Anyways, if you would like me to shut up, than maybe I will.  I've
|> 	been posting to this newsgroup for more than 2 years now, and I've
|> 	always felt that I had something good to contribute to it.  But
|> 	maybe I've worn out my welcome, and obviously at least one person
|> 	thinks I should leave.  Perhaps it's time to step out...
|> 
|> 	Jazzy J

This, I feel, would be a great mistake. Do reconsider, as I personally feel
your posts add great value to all of the rsb groups. Also, I feel that
the very spirit shown by this post, namely meeting vitriol with class, 
is an example that would certainly be missed. Again, do reconsider.
			Rob

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