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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: TIPPMANN   PRO/AM   TIPS
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:07:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct14.000806.14689@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.172301.19743@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>
>>The maintanence video is very informative with Dennis Tippmann Jr tearing down
>>and reassembling a Pro-Am.
>
>Hmmm...so *that's* Dennis Tippman. ^_^

No, I'm pretty sure thats his son.

>>of much to upgrade except to get a Smart Parts or Armson barrel and a red
>>dot sight, and replace the 40 round loader with a Viewloader or Indian Springs.
>
>I got the red dot sight, and the dealer threw in a Indian Spring 80(?)
>round hopper for free.  Now all I need is the Smart Parts (Is Armson any
>better?) barrel. ^_^
>
I have no idea which barrel is better.  I was thinking about buying both 
barrels and testing them during a weekend and returning the less spectacular
of the two.  If performance was based on looks, I would go for the Armson.

I heard glowing reports from Illustrator owners on Armson barrels and I 
remember someone a while back posted about doing the same comparison to his
PMI-3.  
Paintball Consumer Report International is suppose to review more Armson barrels
in their October issue.

On the otherhand, the stock Tippmann barrel is quite accurate.  I wonder if
sending the barrel out to Pneumatic Ordnance to be mirror hone polish would
improve range and accuracy as much?

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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:31:51 GMT

In article <1b0freINNr41@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster) writes:
>kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>
>>>>might try a night game with night goggles some time.
>>>
>>>US price was US$5,000 and up.  How much does a pair run in your neck of the
>>>woods, anyway?
>>>
>>eastern type about $700 up
>
>What is an 'eastern type' night vision system? 
>

produced in the former eastern block, moslty of soviet origin. mostly
depot new, unused.

cu
-pete


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From: dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donald A Shaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: TESt
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:19:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Just seeing if my posts are getting through, sorry
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Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:57:54 -0600

 writes
>Saturday October 10 1992 19:45, Jim Foster wrote to All:
>
> >> What's wrong with being lit up?
> >> Could someone describe why it is such a terrible thing for me?
>
> JF> While not painful (for me, anyhow) the impact of a paintball is
> JF> definitely irritating.....mostly though, I think it's a psychological
> JF> phenomenon. First, it's moderately embarrassing. Secondly, it's
> JF> generally viewed as the mark of someone who is 'trigger happy' or enjoys
> JF> inflicting pain on others; the logic being if you can see someone long
> JF> ehough to tag them with multiple shots, a round or two would have
> JF> sufficed.
>
>I never try to fire more balls than necessary, but just as in actual combat,
>one is seldom enough. Having done time with an M16 with live ball ammo in the
>magazine, I can vouch for the fact that at times, you just HAVE to spray
>because you don't have an exact fix on a sniper and you either get his head
>down or take a round in yours.

The solution is simple: limit the number of paintballs a person takes into the game.
Thus high-power super weapons suddenly have been balanced in the game. You simply have
to be a good shot, a good hider, or get lucky. Spraying is fine and good WHEN the ammo is
limited. Naturally people are going to spray at times, this is great. But with unlimited 
ammo.... Ugh.
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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: gun oils?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:05:55 GMT


Ok.  What do you all do to oil your paint guns?  I'm told for my .68
Special to use something called "Gold Cup", which I cannot find.  Second
choice was "Rem Oil" (something by Remington?).  What else works?
[RICHR]
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:04:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball

	
	What's wrong with being lit up?  

	Really...

	Could someone describe why it is such a terrible thing for me?

	I've never been lit up myself.... but taking single hits has
	been "nothin'"  so if I take ten shots....  10 X 'nothin' is
	still 'nothin'.  Well, ok.  There's more paint.  But more
	pain?  

	I know why it would not be desirable.

	I would like to know why it is (apparently) such a big deal.

	I was actually considering designing a game where constant/multiple
	hits were PART of the game... where no one is _out_.  You just
	use paint impacts to "convince" people to 'back-off'.  The more
	paint they eat, the more they are convinced :-).

	-Mike-
From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Information needed
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:16:08 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello kunz!

In a message of <Tuesday October 06 1992>, kunz peter (1:143/8) writes:

 >> **     "When the going gets tough, the tough get a GLOCK."    **

 kp> does glock make PB guns??? :-)

One could only wish.  I own a Glock 17 9mm and a Glock 21 .45 caliber..... Love them.  Best handgun in the world as far as I am concerned.

If Glock starts making PB markers, you can bet I'll be first in line....


Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney
Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!


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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Get off the Combat  Thing
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:23:22 GMT

In article <2ADB0BED.5847@ics.uci.edu> christos@ics.uci.edu (No Soul) writes:

>a bunch of flak.  I've heard of guys that don't even use red paint, since
>it is too close to blood.  (I'm not sure I'd take it that far...)

The red paint thing is so that the refs or anyone else won't confuse real
blood with paint in case of emergencies, or so I'm told.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 01:34:12 -0400 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions for IRONMEN
	<92Oct7.013816adt.26907@ug.cs.dal.ca>

Phillip and those wh have used Bullseye pink,
    Yes we have had the staining problem, in fact that is the reason we
use it at tournaments.  You may not like that aspect of the paint, and I
agree that it is very annoying to get hit with the stuff, but our
problems of teams wiping against us have dropped almost to none since we
began using it.  You can get it out of your camos by washing them the
same night in COLD with a cold water detergent.  Hot water just sets the
stain.
    I do suggest however that you don't use it for practice or weekend
play because in those instances it is useless and merely annoying.  The
straightest shooting color I have found is Turbo Yellow.
        Thanks for the question, keep 'em coming,
                                                   Zander of the IRONMEN
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From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Ysidro)
Subject: Re: Get Off the combat thing.
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:01:58 GMT

If people think that paintball simulates combat then by all means
let them think that.  Your posts will not change anyones mind.

							Dave

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From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Lowest prices
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:48:42 GMT

  I just placed an order and wanted to pass on the latest prices I heard.  I
don't yet have a price li to quote from, but here are the highlights:

VM-68 with bottle $240
Pro/am with bottle $320
Illustrator with bottle $330
SL68-II with bottle $190
68 Automag $380
Vents thermal with head armor $70
Zap 2000 round case $75

These are from DRACO 1-800-642-5039 (the lowest prices I've heard of lately). 
I have purchased a lot of stuff from them and had no problems.

Walt Edwards   
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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: How to become a NAPRA referee ?
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:35:23 GMT

The Subject says it all, who do I write to find out the requirements to become
a NAPRA referee ?  With the certification I could help out a local field
and maybe start ref'ing elsewhere in the state.

Bjs

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From: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com (25815-leary)
Subject: Re: gun oils?
Reply-To: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Piscatawy, NJ
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:40:59 GMT

I've used air tool oil and refridgerant oil.  These have both seemed to
work fine.  

In article <1992Oct9.110555.11229@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
> 
> Ok.  What do you all do to oil your paint guns?  I'm told for my .68
> Special to use something called "Gold Cup", which I cannot find.  Second
> choice was "Rem Oil" (something by Remington?).  What else works?
> [RICHR]
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: gun oils?
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:39:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.110555.11229@samba.oit.unc.edu> Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>
>Ok.  What do you all do to oil your paint guns?  I'm told for my .68
>Special to use something called "Gold Cup", which I cannot find.  Second
>choice was "Rem Oil" (something by Remington?).  What else works?
>[RICHR]

gold cup is the stuff that comes with the F1. i use neoval, a friend
uses break free. for the special, get something that's good on rust. i
still have to do a test on how the various products react with balls and
orings.


cu
-pete



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From: jimfost@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:16:55 GMT
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mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:

>	
>	What's wrong with being lit up?  
>	Could someone describe why it is such a terrible thing for me?

>	I've never been lit up myself.... but taking single hits has
>	been "nothin'"  so if I take ten shots....  10 X 'nothin' is
>	still 'nothin'.  Well, ok.  There's more paint.  But more
>	pain?  

While not painful (for me, anyhow) the impact of a paintball is definitely irritating.....mostly though, I think it's a psychological phenomenon. First, it's moderately embarrassing. Secondly, it's generally viewed as the mark of someone who is 'trigger happy' or enjoys inflicting pain on others; the logic being if you can see someone long ehough to tag them with multiple shots, a round or two would have sufficed.

I've noticed that people who are `lit up` when facing multiple opponents are quite proud of the fact; it's a mark of how much effort it took to eliminate them.

>	I was actually considering designing a game where constant/multiple
>	hits were PART of the game... where no one is _out_.  You just
>	use paint impacts to "convince" people to 'back-off'.  The more
>	paint they eat, the more they are convinced :-).

Sounds a bit sadistic....around here multiple hits are fairly common, what with the abundance of semi-autos and the tendancy of the local gamers (mostly military personnel from The Big Red One) to 'recon by fire' ("The bush moved! Hose it down!") Naturally, we have a LOT of multi-colored birds, squirrels, etc...

 
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Kansas State University   [                                                   ]
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: TIPPMANN   PRO/AM   TIPS
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:08:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct13.172301.19743@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>
>The maintanence video is very informative with Dennis Tippmann Jr tearing down
>and reassembling a Pro-Am.

Hmmm...so *that's* Dennis Tippman. ^_^

>I found the Pro-Am to be very complete, it comes with its own carrying case,
>12 oz tank and butt plate (in the two flange style :), sling (for those long
>range accurate shots), and tools.  Other people tell me that I tend to buy
>tons of needless accessories for paintball (the ALICE frame for the Bulk
>CO2 tank might have been over doing it a bit. )  For the Pro-Am I can't think
>of much to upgrade except to get a Smart Parts or Armson barrel and a red
>dot sight, and replace the 40 round loader with a Viewloader or Indian Springs.

I got the red dot sight, and the dealer threw in a Indian Spring 80(?)
round hopper for free.  Now all I need is the Smart Parts (Is Armson any
better?) barrel. ^_^

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Newbie BqPaintballer
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:10:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct13.180615.194382@zeus.calpoly.edu> jaiken@zeus.calpoly.edu (Abdual McClamwacker) writes:
>Hiya, I am a newbie paintballer,  I bought a gun for fun about 1 month ago
>it is a pump action but only takes co carterges (sp?) the lady at my local
>shop said it would be $100.00 to adjust it to be able to use CA, but they

Do you know the make and model of your paintgun?  If you were using a 
Sheridan PGP/PMI-1 you can get an aftermarket CA hose set-up for about
$50-60 not including tank.  If the gun you have is a nelspot derivative
changing the ASA to a back bottle ASA would cost aronnd $30-40 (back bottle
not included).

>just just got a new gun int,  it is a spiffy looking hard plastic (I think
>it is kevlar) it is a pistol that you can put CA or CO on,  it *APPEARES*
>you can put on a longer barrel.  It has a little screw in the front that you
>unscrew and the barrel slides out  It is alsom semi auto which turns me on

Wild guess.  Sting Ray?  The GZR-2000 (which happens to be a double action
semi-automatic)?

ld>:).  Just asking for some advice think I should go for the 100.00 conversion
>or cough up the extra $79.95 (with out) tax?  I am leading twards the
>pistol, it mibht be nice to have 2 guns once I start playing at local

One nice thing about having an extra gun is so you can invite and equip a
friend who has never played.  (and then score hits on him/her all day :-)

>have been buying just the generic $6 for 100 that they ahve at the store
>here,  How can the paintball you use help your shooting?  I'll take any

As with any sport, if you practice you might *gasp* improve.  Spend an 
afternoon and some paintballs to improve your targetting.  Remember to use
the sights on the gun, they'll help you hit the target.  I was going to tell
a little anecdote about how Mongolian troops used to knock off the sights of
their guns so they could see their targets clearly but I forgotten most of the
story.
If you have the room and local ordinances don't forbid airgun discharges on
private property the try setting up a backyard range.  Start with shooting at
targets that don't move, then as your aim gets better try hitting flying 
2 liter coke bottles and frisbees.

>advise I can on maybe saving up for an auto gun?  But I saw a post here
>recently that said semis can often times be better.  So any feed back would
>be great.
If you are relatively new and have money to burn, then a semi will help you
stay in the game.  After you gain skill and learn to think on the field, then
it doesn't matter if you are using a Auto-Mag or a splatmaster (maybe exager-
ating a bit).  The player makes the game, not the gun.

-- 
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From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Guns
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:10:13 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Oct13.184111.3853@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lip@rintintin.Colorado.EDU () writes:
>I was wonder if any of you pros can answer this:
>
>What paint gun has the fewest moving parts?
>

I believe that one of the guns with the fewest actual moving parts would be
the Automag...  You should take one apart some time... Pretty interesting...

 - Andre
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Information needed
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:39:32 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <1992Oct5.190521.1@cc.helsinki.fi> haldin@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> 
>which marginally improves accuracy. I also use a 200-round completely
>silenced (from within) hopper and a Mirage Red Dot sight. 
>
silenced by gluing in some foam or bought with the hopper?

cu
-pete



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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:18:52 GMT

In article <84968@bcsaic.boeing.com> tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma) writes:
>
>can readily find the rule books.  Plus there are some very well known
>types of conduct that everyone knows that will ~90% bring retaliation
>(such as undercutting or throwing elbows).
>
for retaliation, we sometimes have duels. each player gets something
like 5 rounds and then 20 steps apart. real amusing for bystanders,
especially when you stand in betwwen the two and hear the paint flying
by....



cu
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From: tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: reasonable rate of fire
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:31:47 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <1992Oct14.153327.20806@bmw.mayo.edu> staniszewski@mayo.edu writes:
>
>As far as someone getting hit by multiple shots, I figure you are fair game until
>delclare out and have your gun over your head, even then I will blast someone who
>is purposly blocking my line of sight (I HAVE HAD ThIS HAPPEN). I don't think
>rules of conduct would be worth a hill of beans, AND that the best bet is don't
>get involved in a game with a bunch of jerks. EVERYONE I play with will call

It would be nice to take a look at a person an immediately know how they
will react in a situation where they got hit multiple times, but it's
impossible.

Your thoughts on rules of conduct lead me to believe that
you lean toward the "Anything Goes! Don't cry about it!" attitude.  
I feel that having rules of conduct are a neccessity to let people know
when they are exceeding the rules or engaging in unethical practices.  
The sad fact though, even if we do come up with the rules of conduct 
, there are always people out there that are going to intentionally
violate them.  It is part of the human nature.:-(   

The 'Rules' would still be a starting point on identifying behavior that is 
NOT acceptable, and grounds to enforce some sort of penalties.

>themselves out if hit, SAVES whining about excessive hits, getting shot after
>calling themselves out,etc  for off the field, and don't usually go in for this
>revenge bit. Look for people who are interested in playing a GAME! I think the
>only valid rule of conduct in NO WHINING

Well it'll only be a matter of time before you run into a hot-head that
you may accidentally injure (say place excessive hits to their goggles
and break them and possibly taking out an eye for example), which leads
on to their retaliating with their 9mm out of their car, etc.  

Maybe I'm just being paranoid about these types of situations.  But when
someone doesn't take an apology and vows to "Get you back..." 
It starts to not be a game anymore. --ron