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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Oh, Wicked, Wicked Squirrel
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:49:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <74013@apple.Apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
wrote:
> 
> A simple thank you would have sufficed.  ;^)

Well then, thank you, darling.  I have it stuck into my cubie wall.
People walk by and say "Why do you have a 90210 write board in your
wall that says 'Purchased in Hawaii'"

*X*
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From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: ***Accessories!!!***
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.114032.11602@tronsbox.xei.com> glenns@tronsbox.xei.com (Glenn S.) writes:
|In article <1992Nov10.124702.15078@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|>>What's your favorite kind? Handbags? Belts? Shoes? Watches? Jewelry?
|>>Any favorite pieces?
|>As for me personally, my favorite accessory is solitude in a
|>hundred square miles of forest and mountain.
|Ooh.. I can cope.... unfortunately I live in NJ... which means "Forest, forest,
|what is forest?"

   The Pine Barrens, of course!

                 ____
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From: nomad@watson.ibm.com (Lee `nomaD` Damon)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:10:49 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Nov11.182228.29647@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>
>  What nonsense. Suppose, as an assignment, the student were asked to
>play Billy-Bob-with-baseball-bat-gay-basher. A good actor ought to
>be able to perform such an assignment, no? Bolts of chiffon flowing
>from his mouth would hardly be a convincing rendition of ol' Billy-Bob
>right? 

What do you think casting is for? Any director who cast this person
for that role is a fool. (I've worked with many directors, never
with ones who were successful fools.)

In casting, you take the manerisms of the actor into account. You
don't cast 6'0 120 lb Jimmy as a hulking brute. You don't cast a
Shakespearian actor as  Blanch, and you don't cast an efeminant
man as a bully. (Unless you are doing that very thing for the
art of it. Heck, if we can do Hamlet set on a 22nd century space ship...)

Dismissing someone from a profesional program because they have
mannerisms doesn't cut it. Cast them in roles they are fit for.

>  But drama is absolutely about denying all sorts of things which
>the individual actor is not. A good actor should be able to push
>him/herself aside to play the roll. Providing we are talking about
>mannerisms, this is not discrimination based on irrelevant characteristics.

Sure it is. If they can't play a role, don't cast them for it. There
are lots of good plays out there, lots of interesting roles for people
of all different mannerisms and tallents.

If the director mis-casts a role, it's the director's fault, not the
actor's. If these students got into the program, through the auditions
and other screening processes any profesional theatre program would
have, they must have some tallent going for them.

I'm curious to know how many of the people who are supporting the
removal of these 18 "gay men or fat women" in one year have actually
gone through a theatre program in college. I have the feeling I'm one
of the few in this discussion who has.

nomad
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Show biz power
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:00:57 GMT

> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>Cartoon seen in the current New Yorker:
>
>	"Is Madonna amazing or what?  She sings, dances, and acts.
>		and now it turns out she's a writer, too."

Speaking of the current New Yorker, it seems to be getting
gayer and gayer.  The main "talk of the town" topic is
burnout among the original activists in Act Up/New York, and
their formation of the Treatment Action Group (TAG).  Then
there's a big article about Measure 9 in Oregon:

    Pasty and mustached, Lon Mabon looks like Martin Mull
    on a bad-hair day -- though, unlike Mull, he seems to
    have absolutely no sense of humor.

...and a profile of Frank O'Hara's former roommate, the Divine
Edward Gorey (complete with portrait by Avedon, and a tragic
tale about what happened when Lettice ran into the Honorable
Hereward Lyke-Wake on a cruise...):

    He toys with the cat's tail.  "You know, Ted Shawn, the
    choreographer -- he used to say, 'When in doubt, twirl.'
Oh, I do think that's such a great line."
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Colorado Letter
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:59:43 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.185336.15750@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:

>     Oh for heavens sake, Jess, for once be assertive:

V. inf.

>for much too subjunctive a tone for what I assume
>are strong feelings on your part.

The actual feelings are these: they're pig-fucks and I'd
like them all to die right now, in the most gruesome way
possible.  I thought I should tone that down a bit, though.

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From: davidk@bcsaic.boeing.com (Dave Kerlick)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:43:41 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <BxKEM3.FuA@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <1992Nov10.142018.37863@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>
>>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark):
>>> Me too.  I'd really like to fuck his tight ass.  Of course, I'd have
>>> to give him a chainsaw enema first.
>
>>why?  we want it to hurt!
>
>Then give him an _alum_ enema ... for that nice, _TIGHT_ feeling.
>

And make a movie of it... Helms being fucked with a BIG dildo, upon which are
scriven the words:

   "National Endowment for the Arts "
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "The Hidden Sailor"
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:17:42 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <38291@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura
Creighton) writes:

>(Sim Anderson -- are you there!  Inquring minds *REALLY WANT
>TO KNOW!*)

Especially those of us you've married to him.  It's certainly
not that I wouldn't, you understand, though his boyfriend
might object, and possibly Mr. Aberson himself might.

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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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From: marc@projtech.com (Marc Balcer)
Subject: Re: Historical perspective
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.164205.22640@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>But the issue where I first felt the fighting back after the initial
>"victory" was the matter of abortion rights.  I have been asked--
>challenged, actually-- by anti-feminist men why feminist groups
>didn't immediately organize local action after Roe v. Wade, to
>guarantee the right.  The answer, I suspect has to do with exactly
>this point:  We were not accustomed to the notion that such a right,
>once established, might be revoked.  
>
>I feel exactly the same disbelief over the pressure from anti-gay
>activists.
>

This is very true.  Four years ago when I was doing voter registration at
gay clubs in Philadelphia and New Hope PA, I found it really difficult to get
people to register Democratic.  No matter how much we tried to persuade
people that the Republican agenda was bad news for us, they continued to
register as Republicans by a 2-1 margin.  (Can you say "suburban gay 
Republicans?)  We had more than one person tell "oh come on, get real,
these people aren't really out to get us" and so forth.

I can imagine that there were many people who didn't bother to work against 
OR-9, CO-2, or the Tampa statute for precisely that reason.
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From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Seed-stealing squirrels
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:45:49 GMT

brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller) writes:
[...]

>  I thumbed through this purported junk mail, intending to throw it out
>forewith, but then I happened upon page 25 -- "Squirrel Accessories".

[...]

>  What say you, faithful fans of our bouyant aboreal rodent?  

don't you already *have* a squirrel accessory?

--m
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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:55:25 GMT

Another way I see businesses supporting the GLB movement is by  
offering free GLB publications in it's stores.  Kemp Mill  
Records over here is VERY good about that ... Actually, the only  
other place I can find the Washington Blade is either at Kemp  
Mill or on-campus or, of course, anywhere on Dupont Circle ..

Donald - It's time for some action!
From: dlm@cuuxb.att.com (Auntie Dion)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Hello I must be going - I'M BACK
Summary: stum und drang, woe is me
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:52:27 GMT
Organization: ATT/NCR-SSD, System Services Division, Lisle, IL

As Captain Spaulding said "Hello, I must be going." I haven't
been posting for more than two years.  Only the old-timers such
as Jesse, Steve, Elle and others probably remember me. [Hi Dan,
and others whose names I don't mention].  But ....  Auntie Dion
is alive and .... well she's not a well woman thses days.

I just haven't had time to even wade through the volume of news,
so ....

I will give the 25 cent synopsis of my life. [ Three paragraphs
of depressed maundering will follow]:

My quasi-boyfriend has left and returned twice since Summer of
1990.  While he was gone I had major eye problems and had to face
them alone.  Finally he decided that he wanted back, and we were
just getting our lives together and such when bang he gets hit
with the big one - cryptococcus menningitis.  A rather unreal 6
weeks with a seriously ill person, two of the weeks visting in
the hospital, etc.  Gory details ONLY upon request.

The after recovery ... he bops to Florida to play Camille at his
Uncle's ... that blows up and ...  He's back, presumably for
good.

Then on Tuesday last my eye problem comes back and the Dr. is not
yet certain how serious and such although I get a cautious
optimism from him.  So I am hors d' combat for now and sitting at
home and dialed in to work.

Meanwhile, back at the job:  Work has been so filled with sturm
and drang for the last few years that I am about ready to abandon
my current spot and look for something elsewhere, I'd like to
stay with AT&T or NCR, but otherwise, I'd love to live in SF and
work nearby.  Anybody who hears of a prospect for a UNIX Guru
with 17 years experience with hacking kernel and utilities, etc.
that might pique my interest (especially after the 1st of next
year) .... send email or phone (home) 708-983-1221 (work)
708-810-6023.

Email hugs and kisses (as well as physical ... lech lech) are
ALWAYS accepted.  But for the next week or so I'll be at home and
may try to check in on the computer once in a while.


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From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:54:19 GMT


In a previous article, aberson@enh.nist.gov () says:

>The Miami Herald yesterday had an interesting article about
>sex education in schools, especially about the two methods
>of teaching this subject.  One is the comprehensive method, which
>truthfully discusses all aspects of sexuality, including
>homosexuality, bisexuality, etc.  The other is the
>abstinence-based method favored by the religious-right, but
>which is used in about 50% of the nation's schools.
>
>To our president-elect' credit, his chief advisor on this subject
>favors the comprehensive method, and in the last four year,
>comprehensive sexual education has been the rule throughout
>Atkansas, according to the article.
>
>One tidbit caught my eye in the description of the abstinence-based
>approach, along with  no abortion, no homosexuality, no sex before
>marriage, etc.   In sexual-education, the clitoris does not exist.
>It cannot be shown, and it cannot be mentioned.
>
>Amazing.

Not at all!!

EVERYBODY knows that WOMEN aren't ment to enjoy sex...they are cursed, and
what pleasure women get from sex is only from the pleasure she knows she
is given her man!!

OF COURSE the Religious Right's "Abstenance based" sex education would
never mention such a Godless untruth!  If it ever did, God help us,
women would become like men, seeking pleasurable experiences!!!

If God had wanted women to enjoy sex, he would have given them a Penis!!! 


No, I'm not amazed...I'd be more amazed if it were otherwise...


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*****************  James Trafficant for US Senate, 1998  *****************
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 passes
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:25:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Tom Chatt (tom@flood.com) writes:

>While I understand the sentiment, I think it is misdirected.
>If your parents throw you out, do you "boycott" your whole
>family, brothers and sisters as well as your parents?

To use the family analogy, here is what happened in Colorado:

Your parents (the body politic, the voting public) threw you out, even though
a couple of your siblings (counties, or just groups of voters) said they
wanted to keep you around.  Based on a family covenant agreed to long ago (the
constitution), all your brothers and sisters, even the ones who wanted to keep
you around, must throw you out, too.

Thus, what goes for one, goes for all.  If your siblings who said they want
you around stay with the family (don't secede from the state), then they are
buying into the family covenant being more important than their desire to
keep you around (your rights).  Therefore, you boycott the entire family as a
whole, making no exceptions, although you may apologize to your friendlier
siblings (explain to supportive towns and companies) why you are boycotting
them.

With luck, your siblings will want you back enough to get your parents to
change their minds (repeal the amendment).  In the meantime, you should
encourage them to do so, but not support them in any way that benefits the
family as a whole (don't spend money in Colorado or on Colorado items,
because some portion of that goes to fund the amendment that you are trying to
get overturned).

------------------------------
                             |     There were people everywhere, wearing bits
Jim Drew                     | of leather... clothing not even Hollywood could
jrd@frame.com                | dream up.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Ron," I said.  "That guy has leather ram's
"Innocent, but not naive."   | horns, and a cape."
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Yeah, he's dressed like thet at all these
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | street fairs.  But wait 'til next month: me and
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Val'll take you to Hallowe'en in the Castro.
                             | Gives a whole new meanin' to 'Trick 'r Treat.'"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
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From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu  
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Christianity
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.182815.8566@spdcc.com>, anon@spdcc.com (Anonymous Forwarded Posting) writes...

|Now that is not to say that the Bible doesn't have some very
|distinct things to say about the conduct of my life, (sexual morality, etc.).
|But I feel that these 2 very different aspects of my life can coexist.

	Certainly.  And, you might also note that there is nothing
specifically CHRISTian that is against homosexuality.  Christ did not
condemn it.  It might be said the St. Paul did, and perhaps the Levitical
writings of Moses did (only possibly), however neither Paul or Moses
are Jesus.  Technically, to be a Christian, one may disregard some or
all of what ANYONE but Jesus says.  

	If people choose to think that Paul or Moses speak for Christ,
that's simply a matter of their choice.

	The question of the incompatibilty between Christianity and
homosexuality shouldn't even exist.  It stems from a confusion and mis-
equation of St. Paul, Moses, and Jesus.


|The often cited Levitical references can be approached several ways.
|(IMHO, the discussions of sexual position, etc are largely irrelevant.)
|If you refer to the "morality code," you should probably follow it
|all or none at all. And, as pointed out, even the most conservative
|Christians don't want to follow everything in the code. 

	"You shall not lie with a man as with a woman."  Ask a homo-
sexual how he would lie with a woman, and you'll find that it's 
usually not the way he'd lie with a man.  Thus, this Lev. passage
should pose no problems for homosexuals.  


|For the minister who stated that we had "chosen to go against God,"
|to me he is wrong...
|"...darkened (v21), and they started worshiping idols (v23). Because
|of these things, God gave them over to sexual impurity (v24)..."
|...As a Christian, I try my best to "glorify God" and give thanks
|to him.  So that excludes me from that loop! :)

	Seems that God led them into sexual impurity.  That means that
it wasn't their choice.

	You are excluded from the loop, too, because your actions are
your choice... or so it would seem.


|God Bless!

	Thanks!

Bud Cox

    /-------------------------------------------------------------\
    | Moses quoted God as saying, "I your Lord am a jealous god." |
    | Jealousy is a manifestation of the trait of selfishness and |
    | the sin of coveteousness.  Discuss.                         |
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:37:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.191913.8438@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  It does not deny homosexuals equal rights. It denies the the ability of the
>  state to create quotas for gays, or give gays minority status, and it denies
>  gays the use of the legal system to correct alleged cases of discrimination.
>  It does not permit gay-bashing.

The essence of it is that it legalizes discrimination.  It
says that there is no legal recourse for gay men, lesbians,
or bisexuals if we are fired from our jobs, thrown out of
our housing, lose custody of our children, etc., simply for
*being* gay.  It also has the effect of making local laws
in Colorado which bar discrimination on the basis of sexual
orientation provide coverage only to heterosexuals.  If that's
not denial of equal rights, would you care to describe what
is?

>  I'd tell 'em to f*ck off. I certainly wouldn't kill myself. One simply lets
>  the "other side" win when you give up like that.

That's very easy for you to say.  Obviously there has not
been a wave of gay suicides in Colorado since November 3d,
but unfortunately this one suicide is not that surprising
in the context of institutionalized discrimination.  When
you consider that 30% of teen suicides are related to
sexual identity crises perhaps you can start to understand
the effect that rampant anti-gay hostility has.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:57:47 GMT

bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) wrote: 
->I heard from an industry friend yesterday that Marky Mark will soon
->have a book out that makes Madonna's SEX book look like a rewrite of
->THE SOUND OF MUSIC.

oh, so it'll be a superman comic?

madonna's book is, well, kinda pedestrian.  the only curious bits
about it are its packaging and cover.

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