HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Keywords: floppy-based tape drives
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:42:06 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <68@colornet.com> dfilip@colornet.com writes:
>Tony Porczyk writes:
>>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>Tony Porczyk writes:
>>
>>>>That's a noble intention.  Just show me a tape drive first that's as
>>>>inexpensive as Colorado and as proven as Colorado.
>>>>I think we should try to convince them first.
>>>
>>>The real answer is SCSI tape.
>>>Tape drives that connect to floppy controllers suck.
>>
>>Agreed.  That still doesn't answer my question, though.  Have you compared
>>the prices for SCSI tapes vs. floppy tapes lately?  Also, for many small
>>businesses floppy tape solutions are more than sufficient (if a bit slow).
>
>And I finally write :
>
>There is a BIG price differential between floppy-attached drives (i.e., the
>Colorado QIC drives) and SCSI drives. For those of us who use this as a hobby,
>the price of a SCSI tape may be difficult to justify.
>
>Yes, the floppy-attached tapes are quite a bit slower, however they sure beat
>popping in dozens of diskettes ! And since Coherent is a $99 Unix, I would
>think that cost would be a factor for many current Coherent users.

Not if the tape fails to read later on.  I have seen this all too much
with floppy controlled tapes.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:6460 comp.os.linux:21818 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34238
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in an intelligent serial board?
Keywords: RS-232 serial interface
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:07:29 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

dave@yarc.uucp (Dave Rifkind) writes:

> In article <92121815484@amscons.amscons.com> bob@amscons.amscons.com (Bob Ams
> >After fussing with Coherent for far too long, I have decide
> >to build my intelligent serial interface board.  I intend to
> >design in enough memory so that each port can have a really
> >deep FIFO, and thus Coherent will never have to miss characters
> >again.  I was planning to create a wire-wrap board, a printed
> >circuit board would be much better.  Unfortunately, creating
> >a single printed circuit board is expensive.
> >So once I decided to do this, I thought that others might
> >be interested in such a beast.  So, if you'd be interested
> >in an intelligent multi-port serial board for the ISA bus,
> >send me mail indicating your desired specifications for the
> >board.  This should include number of ports, FIFO depth,
> >and cost.  If I have enough interest, I'll go ahead and
> >do the PC board.
> 
> You'd better make that FIFO *really* big.
> 
> I have an Intel SatisFAXtion/400.  When working as a modem, it acts like
> a 16450 except that it has an approx. 64K byte input buffer.  I still
> can't uucp without lost data.  There's something much more seriously
> wrong than just long interrupt latencies; you're not going to overflow a
> 64K buffer without working at it pretty hard.

I'd like to see some initial cost estimates for something like this.

Greg

.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.
.   TCS Consulting Services   P.O. Box 600008   St. Paul, MN  55106-0008    .
.   ..!srcsip!tcscs!zeta                 ..!src.honeywell.com!tcscs!zeta    .
.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.
From: clemens@ms.uky.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: tetris
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:28:04 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Thanks for the updated version!!!
--

Richard Clemens    Associate Professor of Business and Computer Science
                   West Virginia Wesleyan College
                   Buckhannon, WV  26201  (304) 473-8480
                   acpwvw!auxrcc!clemens@ms.uky.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: multics@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (Multics)
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:01:14 GMT

In article <9212241851.47@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>The problem that I have seen, with systems running DOS, is that the user
>backs up his system to a floppy controlled tape.  One day, perhaps months
>later, he decides to reload from the tape, and the tapedrive chokes and
>returns a "can't read tape error".  One guy I know, who does freelance
>CAD work, solves the problem by doing redundant backups to 2 tapes. Sometimes
>one tape will work and sometimes it is the other.
>
>Floppy tapes are not reliable.
>
I've been backing up and restoring from CMS tapes for years with no problems.
I use a batch file to do the backups while I sleep and use the automatic
compare option.  I do have the tape adapter board.  I do use compression.

I'm useing version 2.38.  Earlier versions were flakey with compression
and automatic compare.

-- 
Richard Shetron  multics%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu  multics@hermes.acm.rpi.edu
What is the Meaning of Life?      There is no meaning,
It's just a consequence of complex carbon based chemistry; don't worry about it
The Super 76, "Free Aspirin and Tender Sympathy", Las Vegas Strip.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: alan@highlite.uucp (Alan McConnell)
Subject: Sporadic UUCP trubbles
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: comp.os.coherent
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:52:13 GMT

August and Respected Colleagues!  I'm having a terrible time
uucp-ing from my Coherent 3.2.1 to my local newsfeed, highlite.
gotham.com(the computer from which I'm sending this).  I can send
stuff from home to highlite just fine, but when my uucp tries to
grab highlites's, there are lots of (lost packets) and (out of
order) messages when I "verbose" at level 7.  The sysop at highlite
swears it is my uucp and I have to believe him, esp after a couple
of experiments.

I have read here tales of uusecure.tar.Z and other fixes, but are
they available for 3.2.1?  I don't find them in Contents.news(wrong
name, but you know what I mean)  

A bit of diagnostic info.  The unsuccessful transaction leaves TM.*
files in /usr/spool/uucp.  Sometimes these files are 384 bytes,
sometimes they are 4224 bytes; 4224 = 11 * 384.

Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated!
Alan McConnell  alan@highlite.gotham.com
-- 
Alan McConnell             "What wondrous life is this I lead!
Pixel Analysis              Ripe apples drop about my head . ."
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in an intelligent serial board?
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:53:22 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

bob@amscons.amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) writes:
> After fussing with Coherent for far too long, I have decide
> to build my intelligent serial interface board.  I intend to
> design in enough memory so that each port can have a really
> deep FIFO, and thus Coherent will never have to miss characters
> again.  I was planning to create a wire-wrap board, a printed
> circuit board would be much better.  Unfortunately, creating
> a single printed circuit board is expensive.
> So once I decided to do this, I thought that others might
> be interested in such a beast.  So, if you'd be interested
> in an intelligent multi-port serial board for the ISA bus,
> send me mail indicating your desired specifications for the
> board.  This should include number of ports, FIFO depth,
> and cost.  If I have enough interest, I'll go ahead and
> do the PC board.
> 
> ---
> Bob Amstadt
> bob@amscons.com
> 
Pardon my ignorance, Bob, but I assume you are talking about creating
custom hardware, which could be *very* expensive. I have been looking
at a dumb 4 port board from Tiawan for about $35. There are no uarts on
the board. I also looked at an xt linked to coh via arcnet. The xt has
no hard drive and offers 640kb (- os ram) to split up between ports. It costs
~$100. The 4 port board is $35, uarts (450's) are $20 and arcnet is
$70 for pair.  Project costs are then ~$225. Can be expanded to 8
ports for another $55. 

Can a custom board be created for around that kind of money?

Randy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Randy Wright)      | Exporter BBS     2400 bps
                or                          | (604) 581-0518     8N1
    Randy_Wright@Mindlink.bc.ca             | uucp         ogin: uguest
                                            | interactive login: guest
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: v4.0 reboot command
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:36:38 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Michael Faurot (mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp) wrote:
: jim@pisaro.enet.dec.com (Jim Hodges) writes:
: : 
: : I've noticed that the reboot command doesn't appear to work. After
: : issuing the shutdown 
: : and sync commands, I issue the command  reboot, and my system just sits
: : there...
: : 
: : Is this a "feature"(known/reported problem) ?  Anyone else have a
: : similar experience
: : with this command?

: Sounds like you have a machine with an AMI BIOS in it.  If this is the
: case, it is a known problem with machines with this BIOS that warm
: boot commands don't always work.  I have a machine with a similar BIOS
: and it does this all of the time--even under DOS.  

I've got a 386/40 with AMI bios (where CTRL-ALT-DEL does not work correctly
for Coherent), but the reboot command works just fine, thank you. It 
appears to do a COLD boot, not warm, as the machine appears to run the
full POST. There is a short delay, though, which appears to be in the 4-5 
second range.

Whatever Michael's problem is, I would venture to guess it's probably
not the AMI bios itself, but some other incompatibility.
fred
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Bison and tin
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:39:25 GMT

In article <9212192992@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca> root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
>udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>> Dan Simoes (dans@panix.com) wrote:
>> : My make of tin 117 fails because of a yacc error.
>> : In the makefile, YACC=bison, both in 117 and 116 versions.
>> : What I don't understand is why 116 compiled without a hitch,
>> : but now 117 is complaining.
>> 
>> Here tin 117 compiles with bison 118 without any problems. What
>> is the error message?
>> --
>> Udo Munk, Oberstr. 21, 4040 Neuss 1, Germany
>> udo@umunk.GUN.de   ...!{mcshh,smurf,unido}!easix!umunk!udo   CIS: 100021,2515
>> uucp: +49 2131 278869 V22/32/42bis 8N1 login: uucp pwd: public MYNAME=bbsuser
>> request file /usr/spool/uucppublic/info for instructions
>> 
>I took a copy of bison 118 from raven yesterday. It compiled, but
>dumped core on the grammers in the documentation. I found some pointers 
>that needed to be cast and it seems to work ok now. Did anybody else have a 
>hard time getting it to run properly?

Yeah, I had trouble with bison 118.  I have since ported bison 119.  If you 
still have trouble with 118, I can upload 119 to raven and people can give it a
try.

bison 119 has worked with every yacc and bison code I have come across so far.
This includes f2c.

Harry
-- 
         hcp@csx.cciw.ca          |This message released|It takes all kinds,
   hcpiv@grumpy.cis.uoguelph.ca   |to the PUBLIC DOMAIN.|and to each his own.
----------------------------------+---------------------|This thought in mind,
Stay away from the DOS side, Luke!|Un*x don't play that.|I walk alone.
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: HELP pse w/uucico
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:32:41 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Hi,
> I have been trying without any success to get my machine to call out.
> I've read the manual SEVERAL times but I guess something just isn't
> clicking in the ole nogin. Following is a debug session and asso files.
> I have a 1200bps modem in com1: (I have to keep the 2400bps in the
> MSDOS machine to keep my mail/news feeds happy). As sson as I get
> COH uucico running I will switch modems. Any help, most APPRECIATED.
>
> ====================================================================
> System Name "wariat", debug=9 (Fri Dec 11 03:47:32 1992) (V4.0.04S)
> Thinking of calling system: wariat
> checktime(Any) = Ok to call now
> 12/11 03:47:32 [wariat]: Calling site wariat {117} (V4.0.04S)
> Trying to connect at speed 1200
> Calling phone# 4819436
> 12/11 03:47:32 [wariat]: Dial failed, Line Problem {117}
> 12/11 03:47:32 [wariat]: Modem says
> 12/11 03:47:32 [wariat]: Removing remote site lock
> 12/11 03:47:32 [wariat]: Lockrm: PID verify successful, removing lock.
> 12/11 03:47:32 [wariat]: Abnormal completion {117}
> ===================================================================
>
> /etc/ttys
>
> 0lIcom1l
> 0lPcom2l
> 1lPcolor0
> 1lPcolor1
> 1lPcolor2
> 1lPcolor3
>
>
> /usr/lib/uucp/L-devices
>
> ACU     com1l   -       1200    hayes1200
>
>
> /usr/lib/uucp/L.sys
>
> ncoast Any ACU 1200 5822460 "" \r\d\r ogin:--ogin: n8hsp ord:--ord: XXXXX
> wariat Any ACU 1200 4819436 "" \r\d\r ogin:--ogin: n8hsp ord:--ord: XXXXX
>
> /usr/lib/uucp/Permissions
>
> MACHINE=ncoast COMMANDS=rmail:rnews:uucp READ=/pub:/usr/spool/uucppublic:/tmp
 \
>  WRITE=/usr/spool/uucppublic SENDFILES=yes REQUEST=yes
> MACHINE=wariat COMMANDS=rmail:rnews:uucp READ=/pub:/usr/spool/uucppublic:/tmp
 \
>  WRITE=/usr/spool/uucppublic SENDFILES=yes REQUEST=yes
>
>
>  It has to be something very simple I'm overlooking. :-)  I hope.
>  If any additional files need to be reviewed please advise.
>
>  Thanks in advance!!!!!
>
>  toodles,terry
>
> Terry Bell N8HSP
> tbell@n8hsp.wariat.org
> Cleveland,Ohio
>


You must be sure your port permissions is set to 666 bin bin. Then you must run
uurmlock and kill quit 1 to be certain the system initialised.

mwc tech support
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: tetris
Summary: tetris under COHERENT 4.0
Keywords: tetris, COHERENT
Date: 28 Dec 92 03:49:10 GMT
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

For those of you who are missing the tetris game under COHERENT 4.0:
I've send a version up to MWCBBS and raven which now compiles under
COHERENT 3.x and 4.0. Have fun.
--
Udo Munk, Oberstr. 21, 4040 Neuss 1, Germany
udo@umunk.GUN.de   ...!{mcshh,smurf,unido}!easix!umunk!udo   CIS: 100021,2515
uucp: +49 2131 278869 V22/32/42bis 8N1 login: uucp pwd: public MYNAME=bbsuser
request file /usr/spool/uucppublic/info for instructions
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Is there any hope left?
From: dfilip@colornet.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP (was Re: 16550 support appears buggy)
Keywords: uucp lost packets
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:25:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Summary: Lost packets error
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

Ed Bravo writes:
>> In article <66@colornet.com> dfilip@colornet.com writes:
>> >That, BTW, is one of the concerns I have with UUCP and 4.1, which is rumored
>> >to ship with Taylor. Although I have heard a lot of good things about Taylor,
>> >Coherent's current UUCP kludge basically just runs itself, and I havn't
>> >really had any problems.
>>
>> Maybe you haven't, but a lot of other people have.  Does "packets lost from
>> the other side," ring a bell?  Plus, Taylor's version is so much more
>> efficient.  You won't immediately know it's running, unlike with the base
>> UUCP.
>        For anyone with the problem of lost data packets from the other side,
>a fix is on the MWCBBS called uusecure.tar.Z and should be attempted to download
>before calling MWC for a copy.
>                                        Ed    ed@mwc.com

I will admit that I do get the 'lost packets' error on occasion, although
primarily it is just when dealing with my feed from UUPSI, which seems to
go to sleep frequently : RD on my modem goes steady for a while, and then
goes off for 5-8 seconds, and then starts up again; sometimes, if it sleeps
for 10 seconds or more, Coherent gives up and I get the 'lost packets' error.
However, first, I did get a uusecure patch a few months ago (unless there are
two revisions to the uusecure patch), and second, I am not convinced that the
problem is Coherent's. I transfer on average 500K nightly with a Xenix system,
and periodically large transfers with a couple of other systems here without
seeing that error, unless there is a real problem (like the other side hangs
up).

From what I can tell, the 'lost packets' seems to be a catch-all error meaning
'I lost connection to the other side and can't re-synchronize'. (BTW - a friend
of mine, who also has a UUPSI connection, has DOS sofware that is a bit more
creative .... it prints "I'm bored ..." when this happens). Although the
original UUCP that came with 4.0.0 did have a bug and this error occured
much more frequently (like at the drop of a hat ... any hat !) I am not
sure that getting this infrequently on a post-uusecure-patch Coherent
is necessarily a problem.

(BTW - even with occasional problems, I am able to transfer slightly over
1MB of news daily with UUPSI)

Regards,

Dave.

--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
=   David E. Filip                UUCP   : dfilip@colornet.com              =
=   ColorNet Information Systems  CIS    : 76430,3111                       =
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
=    If David Cutler had been a heavy drug user in the 60's, he probably    =
=                    would have written Unix instead ...                    =
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: broezell@peach.rtsg.mot.com ("Ken V. Broezell")
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: perl??
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:37:28 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group

Ed...

How do I get this? Is this something I must puchase or is it on the
mwcbbs?
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: prepare_gift()
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 02:26:28 GMT

Ralph Steigrad (rst@maz.sma.ch) wrote:
: Who can help me!

: I tried to install coherent 4.0.1 on a 486DX (Commodore) with 8MB
: Memory.

: I always get the message:

: prepare_gift(): WARNING: not enough room for all arguments. Only
: 496 bytes submitted.

Abort the boot procedure with space and type "info" twice at the prompt.
Then type "begin" to continue the boot procedure.
The problem is a BIOS incompatibility, your BIOS gives another drives
table to the boot procedure as expected. The "info" command fixes that
problem, after the secound input you should read a right drives table.
Hope that helps.
--
Udo Munk, Oberstr. 21, 4040 Neuss 1, Germany
udo@umunk.GUN.de   ...!{mcshh,smurf,unido}!easix!umunk!udo   CIS: 100021,2515
uucp: +49 2131 278869 V22/32/42bis 8N1 login: uucp pwd: public MYNAME=bbsuser
request file /usr/spool/uucppublic/info for instructions
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Matser Boot (Was: Re: Is there any hope left?)
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:17:14 GMT


Well, just to add insult to injury, after I got rid of all the Coherent
partitions, I noticed that suddenly my DOS started to lock up after running
for about 5 minutes.  The only thing that has changed is the darned Master
Boot remnant from Coherent.  I got so ticked off, I removed the whole DOS
partition with 140 MB worth of files in it.  Guess what, Master Boot
is still there.  I think I am going to scream.

t.
From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: ATclock, etc.
Keywords: clock realtime
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:22:26 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!

I'm trying to figure out how Coherent manages the AT's hardware clock.
It looks as if the command /etc/ATclock can read/write the hardware
clock. I THINK that the system call stime() sets Coherent's running
time-counter, i.e., the "system time", although the man page is not
explicit about exactly WHAT it sets.

Can anybody enlighten me about:
1. what actually does stime() do?
2. What system service, if any, is there for reading/writing the
actual hardware clock from within a program?

The reason behind these questions:

A few weeks ago I got a program "adjclock" from the net. This program
allows you to run it as a daemon, which will periodically tweak the
system time a bit in order to compensate for inaccurate clocks. It
uses stime() to do this. I was thinking, however, that it would be
nice to actually tweak the hardware clock instead (or in addition to 
this), so that the hardware and software clocks won't drift apart.
I could do "system ("ATclock yymmddhhmm.ss");", but that's rather a
hack.

This seems like something that a lot of you could use, since I've
seen a number of complaints on the net about system clocks drifting
off pretty badly. If I can resolve this problem (and a couple of 
others) I'll gladly redistribute to Coherent folks.

Fred


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 .----   Fred Smith    /                Office: 508-663-2524|Home: 617-438-5471
( /__  ,__.   __   __ /  __   : /                  fredex%fcshome@merk.merk.com
 /    /  /   /__) /  /  /__) .+'                   or uunet!merk!fcshome!fredex
/    /  (__ (___ (__(_ (___ / :__   BIX: fredex    or    primerd!fcshome!fredex  
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: please move linux-only discussion to comp.os.linux
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:38:13 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
: The title says it all.  The next time I read a linux-only message on this 
: group, the word linux and the names of some people who only post about linux 
: and have admitted that they don't even run Coherent any more are going into my 
: kill file!
: 
: comp.os.linux is there for a reason.  Use it!
: 

Agreed.  Also, for general discussions might I suggest comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
A mention of linux here or there or Linus popping up and making a comment
doesn't bother me.  It's more or less one individual who insists on filling
this group with all kinds of nonsense.

Let me fill some people in on nettiquette:

Many systems, especially Coherent systems, get their news through a UUCP
feed.  This means they call up another system and download their news.
This basically means they are *paying* per message to get their news.
For those that read at school/work, you might not give a flying circus
if something is crossposted world, but those of us who pay for the news
do.  I don't get many groups, and the ones I get I would like to contain
the info I need, or allow me to help people that want help.

So kill files mute the problem, but don't stop it.

However, those on systems at work/school are also at the mercy of the
sysadmin who I will gladly notify if this nonsense keeps up.  Root is
not pleased at receiving 20 messages from other sysadmins that one of
his users is an idiot.  Trust me on that.

-Louis
--
---------------------------------------------------------
 Louis J. Giliberto, Jr.   ! magus@drktowr.chi.il.us
   -sysadmin drktowr       ! lgilibe@orion.it.luc.edu
  Chicago, IL  USA         ! 
---------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent