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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:28:14 GMT

 (Chuck Fry) writes:
> (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>Oh.....it now appears that Guerrero is almost a sure bet to be Kenny
>>Bernstein's driver in Bud colors.  So that begs the question:  If you're
>>a (competitive) car owner, do you go with Cheever or Pruett?  YOUR call,
>>and not that of the sponsors'.
>
>Pruett!  Eddie Cheever has had ample opportunity to prove his ability,
>and with it has proven he was truly a mid-pack F1 driver.  Hell, even
>Luyendyk did better than Cheever, in the same equipment.  (Dunno about
>Ross Cheever, he's been hamstrung by AJ's road-racing-handicapped
>team.)
>
>Pruett, on the other hand, has taken equipment that wasn't quite
>competitive and done well with it.  I hope he gets a top ride
>somewhere; he's deserved it for years.  Ideally he'd wind up alongside
>Guerrero (another deserving driver whose career has never recovered
>from the Indy testing crash) in the Bud/Bernstein team.
>

Agreed that Pruett hasn't had top equipment to work with at
Truesports, but don't think he is a great prospect. I was talking to a
guy on the Truesport's team a couple of weeks ago, and he said that
they have been monitoring Scott's braking habits, and he was braking
way early going into the corners. (Hey I would too if I had went
through the crash that he went through) My point is that some of the
top teams are affraid to go with him because he has a confidence
problem. A problem that he never had with Roush, when he dominated the
Trans Am series. Some bad luck and bad mechanics have sucked some of
the edge off of Pruett.


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From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Trivia answers
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:46:42 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 1357@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com, burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:
> 
> Here are the answers and replies to the latest F1 Trivia questions.

Sigh.  I *thought* I'd fixed the problem of email to Dave Burden from
my Sun going into limbo.  Evidently not.

> >1 (the easy one): Which driver was capable of winning the WDC in the last
> >race of two different seasons, but did not - and he never won the WDC.
> 
> Stirling Moss is the correct answer

Exactly.

> >2 (a bit more difficult): Name the drivers who have come soooooo close to 
> >winning the WDC, yet never have.  This is determined by finding drivers who 
> >could have won the title in the last race of the year, but didn't.  Also, 
> >don't include any driver in this situation who had a previous WDC title or 
> >won it later on.  (Hint: there are 9 different drivers)

Here are the nine I came up with, and I think this was the list Dave
had in mind:

'51 Jose Froilan Gonzalez
'58 and '59 Stirling Moss
'59 Tony Brooks
'74 Clay Regazzoni
'81 Carlos Reutemann
'81 Jacques Laffite
'82 Didier Pironi
'82 John Watson
'83 Rene Arnoux

. . .assuming one includes Pironi, gravely injured but alive at the
time of the final GP of the season, and excludes Wolfgang von Trips,
killed before the end of the 1961 season.  Dan Jones proposed (and Dave
Burden accepted) two others:

> 	'50 Luigi Fagioli

Going into the final race of 1950, Fagioli had 24 points (four 2nds).
However his theoretical maximum was only 26 (8 + 3x6) as only four
races could be counted.  Juan Manuel Fangio already had 26 points, and
as he had three wins would have been champion on the "greatest number
of wins" tiebreaker even in Fagioli's best-case outcome.

> 	'56 Peter Collins

This appears to be correct - had Collins won, and Fangio not placed,
they would have been tied with 30 points and 3 wins each - but two
shared 2nds for Collins against one for Fangio.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Sep 1992 14:05 EST  

In article <1992Sep14.182419.8173@rdg.dec.com>, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com 
(Paul S. Winalski) writes...
> 
>In article <9209140747.AA02822@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>,
>Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>|>
>|>Let me say that Frankie baby has been a dickhead, but he has got to get
>|>a Brit in his team from somewhere and who better than Martin Brundle, no
>|>way can he have Damon Hill as he cant sell him to sponsors.

>Why has Frank Williams "got to get a Brit on his team from somewhere"?  The
>engine and fuel are French and the major sponsorship is Japanese (Canon) and
>American (Camel).  Frank can run his team perfectly well with "foreign"
>drivers if he so chooses.

Let's not forget Canadian (Labatts).  I was under the impression that any 
"nationalism" going on with Williams was Renault and Elf pressuring for a 
French driver (namely Alain Prost).  My guess is that the #2 driver at 
Williams next year will be from the Western Hemisphere, namely North or 
South America.  Probably American or Brazilian.

I hear that Dick Trickle is looking for a ride.  That would be a great name 
for Formula 1 ;-)

JD
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From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Do You Agree?
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:51:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.154739.28872@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Sounds a little provincial, but I have to somewhat agree with
>what Chris Economaki states in his column in National Speed
>Sport News (9/9/92):
>
[article about lack of home grown American drivers deleted]
>

  If this is true, and it looks as though it may be, perhaps the
bodies that govern motorsport in the US might want to examine the
series they are running.  It seems that, in general, American
motorsports place a good deal of emphasis on brute force while their
European counterparts (and the rest of the world) prefer finesse.
Since  Colin Chapman changed the face of Indy car racing back in the 
60's, the up and coming American drivers find they have been schooled 
in the wrong techniques. 

  If I were and Indy team manager and I had the choice of two drivers,
one who drove hunks of metal around mud circles and another who
graduated from the world of FF1600 and F3, I know who I would pick.

  Just my $0.02 worth.

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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
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Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:48:09 GMT
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In article <1992Sep10.160504.2993@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West) writes:
>(Dave Vollman) writes:
>>
>>OK, here are my WAY OUT predictions for 1993 IndyCar rides
>>
>>Newmann-Haas:	Mario and John Andretti (which leaves the Hall-VDS ride open)
>>Hall-VDS:	Cheever
>>Canassi:	Gordon and (gasp) Senna
>>Foyt:		Lyn St. James (AND she gets a Cosworth!)
>>Patrick:	Sullivan and Luyendyk (if they run 2 cars)
>>Penske:		Mears, Emmo and Tracy (runs 3 cars all year)
>>Galles:		Unser Jr AND Unser Sr
>>Truesports:	Preutt
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Not likely...Truesports will dissolve after this season.
>

Are they dissolving?  I thought they were just going to stop making their
own chassis and race Lolas instead.

alan
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: MR2s @ Charlotte MS
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:25:19 GMT

I was on the phone this morning with Dane Pitarresi, who
of course has the terrific driving school here at PIR.
He is tied with Toyota and utilizes Camrys and MR2s at
the school and will also be running his MR2 in SSB at
the Runoffs.

Anyways, he told me they were busy loading up some MR2
school cars on the transporter and their destination is
Charlotte Motor Speedway, where Pitarresi will be putting
on a driving clinic next week for the MR2 Club back there.

Just though I'd put this out for the info of the folks back
in the Charlotte area. 

-c'ball-
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mclaren engines for '93 ??
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:16:48 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 3727@DIALix.oz.au, ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:

> Does anyone know what Mclaren are using next year (evan a wild guess) ?
> There was an article in r.a.s on the weekend about them using BMW V10's,
> but I have not heard anything since.

I have heard three rumors:  a BMW V10 (BMW makes the 6.1-liter engine for the McLaren road car), the Toyota V10, and the Ford/Jaguar V12 which Benetton was supposed to switch to this year but didn't.  Hard to tell where the truth lies, although Ron Dennis is reported to be walking around looking smug.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
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From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren (but where's Little Al?? =)
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:29:28 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

Well, how about that?  Half of my wish has come true, but unfortunately
the wrong half.  I am indeed glad to know that Michael will be in F1 in 93,
because that will give us closet racers a chance to compare the best of 
both worlds.

What I want to know is, who is going to sign my fave man Little Al?  If
he doesn't get a drive in 93, I may well have to take a sabbatical!  It isn't
only Prost and Senna that can play at Prima Donnas - I will withdraw all
my services to motorsport, and then you'd all be sorry, wouldn't you?  At
the moment I can't really say too much, but negotiations are continuing.
I think it is nothing short of scandalous that a British contender (me!) is 
being treated in such a shabby way! (Now where have I heard *THAT* before?? :-)

Anyway, I wish Michael every success in 93.  I just hope that he hasn't joined 
McLaren on their way down, although I'm sure he knows much more about the
team situation than I do, and would not have signed unless he was certain that
the team would be competitive.

Other rumours suggest that Mansell and Williams are near to a settlement which 
will see him in their car for 93.  It is said that Renault is especially keen 
to retain his services, and as such are trying as much as possible to 
accomodate his wishes.  Personally, I think they should tell him to "shut up,
sign the bloody paper, and get out there and drive the f***ing car!!" 

IMHO. :-)

Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: gray@tinman.asel.udel.edu (John Gray)
Subject: Re: NASCAR Darlington -- first, kill all the weather forecasters . . . 
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:37:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.212044.22122@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
>
>Howdy!
>
>--- warning: discussion of Southern 500 results (maybe) follow ---
>
>	I'm posting this just after the rain/red flag was thrown; so
>I'm not sure if this is the end or not . . . 
>
>	How'd ya like to be Mark Martin?  Aaaaarrrggg!  Gotta hand it
>to the Valvoline team -- they had the field covered.  Unfortunately,
>so did the rain.  Smartest move (so far) has to go to Elliot (DW just

I'd Say Ernie Irvan had pretty bad luck all in all.  Despite coming out
of the pits very slowing due to a bad transmisson, the car was running
very well and was in thrid place when the tranny began to smoke heavily
and was black flagged.  Only to have a red flag come out when he lost
enough laps to put him in 20 something place.

All this leads me to a question.   From watching the boardcast it wasn't
clear, but it appears the Irvan must have pulled the car behind the wall
to work on the transmisson.  They boardcasters didn't say this but I
couldn't find him on the track and in the field summaries he seemed to
lose a lap for every lap the leader made.  He must not of been of the 
track.  So at any rate he was probably in garage area put a new transmisson
it when the read flag came out.  At that point did the crew have to
stop working on it.  DW could gas up, but he didn't startup gassing up
before the flag came out.  Whats the rules say about work on the car
during a red flag if the work had started before the red came out?
I realize in this case it made no difference, but it could make a 
difference in others.

Thanks
John Gray
gray@asel.udel.edu
From: asberry@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kevin Asberry)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:35:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Bobby's comments at Vancouver
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

  Alright, did you have a bug in my home?  That is exactly what I said about
the situation (re Rahal's comments on Johannsen).  With new young drivers
coming up through the ranks all the time, every point counts toward keeping
your ride for the next season.

Kevin Asberry
Hewlett-Packard
PAITC


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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: F1: Budpest and Spa results request
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.174703.4740@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>could someone please post or send me the complete list of
>results from Budapest and Spa?
>
>Thanks

Belgian F1 GP results 92:		Driver Points:	Constructor Points:

1.  Schumacher		Benetton	98 - Mansell	142 - Williams
2.  Mansell		Williams	44 - Patrese	 64 - Benetton
3.  Patrese		Williams	43 - Schumacher	 60 - McLaren
4.  Brundle		Benetton	36 - Senna	 16 - Ferrari
5.  Senna		McLaren		24 - Berger	 11 - Lotus
6.  Hakkinen		Lotus		21 - Brundle	  5 - Footwork
7.  Lehto				13 - Alesi	  4 - Ligier	
8.  De Cesaris		Tyrrell		 9 - Hakkenin	  4 - Tyrrell
9.  Suzuki		Footwork	 5 - Alboreto	  3 - March
10. Van De Poele			 4 - Comas	  2 - Scuderia Italia
11. Wendlinger		March		 4 - De Cesaris	  1 - Vernturi Larrousse
12. Naspetti		March		 3 - Capelli
13. Herbert		Lotus		 3 - Wendlinger
14. Gugelmin		Jordan		 2 - Herbert
15. Modena		Jordan		 2 - Martini
16. Morbidelli		Minardi		 1 - Gachout
17. Katayama
18. Gachout

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From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andrea Moda
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:49:42 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 26731@abo.fi, TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Timo B{ckman PRA) writes:

> According to some newspapers, the Andrea Moda team isn't allowed to
> run cars in the remaining GP's of the 1992 season. The head of the
> team, Andrea ****, has been arrested for some economic problems.

Sasetti.  According to Peter MacLeod's /On Track/ sidebar on qualifying
for the Hungarian GP:

"Having appointed [Perry McCarthy] to plug a gap in its driver lineup,
team owner Andrea Sasetti was disappointed to discover he had even less
money than a Formula 1 journalist.  Worse than that, he was instructed
to keep Perry for the rest of the year, as he had already made two
driver changes.  Sasetti thought he could get away with it by allowing
Roberto Moreno the lion's share of the driving, and then sticking Perry
in a car only when it is much too late for him to pre-qualify."

Was Sasetti actually arrested, or did FISA just finally come down on
him for this continuing nonsense?

> The newspapers mentioned also that there would be three new teams for
> the 1993 season: Sauber, Pacific Racing and a spanish team. Sauber
> should be OK, but have anyone heard something about the others?

Pacific Racing has been linked to Fondmetal, but has indicated that
they will run their own operation (after raiding Fondmetal for designer
Sergio Rinland and other personnel).

Other possibilities mentioned over the course of this year have been
Trebron (Japan-based, Judd-engined), Konrad (Lamborghini), and
Dhainhaut.  There have also been rumors about a Peugeot entry, and of
course Lola will return building chassis for Scuderia Italia.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Between 20 and 30 percent of the gross national product of the
     United States comes from high energy physics.
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:    NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:39:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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In article <1992Sep8.204449.4975@hubcap.clemson.edu>, csroach@eng.clemson.edu 
(Shane Roach) writes...
>From article <92252.072730BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>>        Just read in this mornings paper that Bobby Allison
>>        fired Hut shortly after the race on Sunday. There
>>        will be a different driver behind the wheel on Saturday.
>>        Bobby? Hope not.
> 
>According to the report in this morning's Anderson(SC) Independent-Mail, Hut
>will drive the #22 Maxwell House Thunderbird for Junior Johnson next year,
>with Sterling Marlin going to the Stavola brothers' #8 Snickers T-Bird.  I  
>seem to recall reading recently that Snickers and Bobby Hillin were confirmed
>with the Stavola team for two more years, but this report seems to leave Hillin
>without a ride, at least for the moment.

Did I miss something here?  Hillin left the Stavola brothers a while back, 
with Dick Trickle at the wheel of the Snicker's T-Bird the majority of the 
year.  What's happenin' to Dick?

JD
From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna interview
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:01:09 GMT
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew

Someone has mentioned a post-race interview with Senna from Monza.
Does anyone know what he said?

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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Please include 'SPOILER' in 'Subject' (was Re: Mansells quits F1)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:46:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>In <190du1INN6mm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>     (Francisco J. Diaz) wrote:
> 
>> Well, this morning Nigel said . . . (stuff about retirement)
>  
>> On the other side, . . . (stuff about Mi. Andretti, engines, Al Jr.)
>  
>> And today's Indy race was won by ********, ******** second and 
>> ******** finished third  . . .  (followed by a summary of what
>> happened to who and where the points standings have gone).
>  
>I thought "hmmm, I'll read this and it won't spoil the IndyCar race 
>   results for me; I already know who won at Monza."
>
>If you're including results in a post, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE include 
>   a 'spoiler' in the 'subject' line, a ^L, something.  I think this
>   is reasonable, especially on same-day-as-race posts.
>
>I'm not particulary angry, but someone could be.

I don't understand.  Most of the people who watch these races have the
opportunity to view the races live.  When someone choses to tape the
tapes and watch them later, he is taking a chance that some media will
reveal the results before he can view the tape.  That is his option.

While it would certainly be polite if someone who wanted to post the
results would mark the article as a spoiler, the person who taped the
race has no room to complain if the poster doesn't mark the article as
a spoiler.  

I was working on some stuff with CNN running in the background.  In a
totally uncharacteristic move, they showed F1 results.  I never expected
that when I put on CNN.  If I had recorded the race, I would know the
ending.  I don't see the difference between that and a "spoiler" posting.
If you don't want the race "spoiled", then watch it when it airs.

Now, maybe if the race is tape-delayed a day or so, like Portugal, it would
be nicer to put a spoiler warning, but I don't see why one should expect
it.  It just another thing to complain to ESPN about.

This is just my opinion.

alan

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