HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tsuka@jackal.mikan.juice.or.jp (Katsuo-Tsukamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: Wanted! Free LBP-B406(LIPSII) Filter
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:24:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: mikan.juice in Chigasaki-city, Kanagawa-ken

$B$D$+$b$H!w%_%+%s%8%e!<%9$H$b$&$7$^$9!#(J
$B5-;v$,=P$F$$$+$J$+$C$?$h$&$J$N$G:FEj9F$G$9!#(J

In article <HIROSE.92Aug3221957@rigel.ori.shimz.co.jp>, hirose@ori.shimz.co.jp (Keiichi Hirose) writes:
> $B9-@%!w@6?e7z@_(J $B$H?=$7$^$9!%(J
> 
> $B$=$3$G<ALd$G$9!%(JCanon LaserShot LBP-B406(LIPS II)$BMQ%W%j%s%?%U%#%k%?$G!$(J
> $B%U%j!<$N$b$N$OB8:_$9$k$N$G$7$g$&$+!%!V;d%=!<%9$r;}$C$F$^$9!W!V$3$3$+$i(J
> ftp$B=PMh$k$h!W$J$I$N>pJs$,$"$j$^$7$?$i8f65<(2<$5$$$^$;!%F|K\8lBP1~$G$"(J
> $B$l$P$J$*4r$7$$$N$G$9$,!%!%!%;HMQ%7%9%F%`$O(J SunOS4.1.2 + JLE1.1.2 $B$G$9!%(J
> 
$B@h7n$h$jH/Gd$5$l$?#U#N#I#X%f!<%6!<!t#1$KCzEY>e5-$N%-%c%N%s$N%l!<%6!<%7%g%C%H$N(J
$B%I%i%$%P!<$N@):n5-;v$,:\$C$F$$$^$9!#(J
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$B$^$?!"#B#u#g#f#i#x$5$l$?!"%=!<%9$,$D$$$F$$$^$9$h!#(J
$B$*Ls$K$?$F$^$9$G$7$g$&$+!#(J


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From: tak@uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp (Takashi Hasegawa)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: SS2 + 801PS
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:32:06 GMT
	<ONONO.92Aug19173113@toshio.kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp>
Distribution: fj
Organization: Uchikawa Lab., Dept. of Elec. Mec. Eng., Nagoya Uni.


$@D9C+@n!wL>Bg$G$9!#(J
$@$?$/$5$s$N$+$?$K!"%a!<%k!"%K%e!<%9$rDL$8$F(Jfollow$@$r$$$?$@$-$^$7$?!#$7$+(J
$@$7$J$,$i;DG0(J$@$J$3$H$K$^$@!"%W%j%s%H=PNO$,$G$-$J$$>uBV$G$9!#(J
$@A02s$O$A$g$C$H@bL@$,$?$j$J$+$C$?$N$GIU$1B-$7$?$$$H;W$$(J$@$^$9!#(J

In article <ONONO.92Aug19173113@toshio.kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp> onono@kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp (ONO Kouichi) writes:

>>OS $@$O$?$V$s(J SunOS 4.1.1 $@$+(J 4.1.2 $@$@$H;W$$$^$9$,!"4D6-$r(J
>>$@$G$-$k$@$1>\$7$/<($7(J$@$?J}$,$$$$$H;W$$$^$9$h!#(J

OS $@$O(JSunOS 4.1.1 + JLE 1.1.1 $@$G$9!#%^%7%s$OA02s$b=q$-$^$7$?$,(J SS2 $@$G$9!#(J
$@!J(J$@$^$"9XF~85$O?7F|E4$G$9$,!K(J

>>/etc/printcap $@$N(J MicroLine801PS $@$N(J entry $@$O$I$&=q$$$F$$(J
>>$@$k$N$G$7$g$&$+(J$@!#(J

801ps|ps|MICROLINE|microline:\
        :lp=/dev/ttya:\
        :sd=/usr/spool/801ps:\
        :lf=/usr/adm/801-errs:\
        :if=/bin/jtops:\
        :br#19200:rw:fc#0000374:fs#0000003:xc#0:xs#0040040:mx#0:sf:sb:sh:

$@$H$7$F$"$j$^$9!#0JA0$O(J br#9600 $@$G$7$?$,!"(Jhirose@ori.shimz $@$5$s$N%"%I%P(J
$@%$%9$K$h$j(J$@JQ99$r$7$^$7$?$,!"$@$a$G$7$?!#$^$?!"%U%#%k%?!<$O(JSunOS$@$KI8=`(J
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$@$N$G$7$g$&$+(J...

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Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
From: morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp (morita)
Subject: Re: SS2 + 801PS
Organization: Information Science Center of Kyushu Inst. of Tech.
	<HIROSE.92Aug19105513@mira.ori.shimz.co.jp>
	<ONONO.92Aug20000113@hiromi.kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:20:11 GMT

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$@$^$@!"(JSS2+801ps$@@\B3Nr(J5$@%+7n$H$$$C$?$H$3(J$@$m$G$9$+$i$=$s$J$K(J
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$@IQHK$K;H$&$HLdBj$,O*8+$7$F$-$^$9!#(J

||   From: onono@kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp (ONO Kouichi)
||   Date: 19 Aug 92 15:01:13 GMT
||   $@$=$&$J$s$G$9$+(J? $@$&$A$O(J SPARCstation1+ $@$K(J 38,400bps $@$G$D(J
||   $@$J$$$G$$$^$9$,0lG/H>$/$i$$7P2a$7$?8=:_!"LdBj$OFC$K$"$j$^(J
||   $@$;$s!#(J

38,400bps$@$GF0$+$9$H%(%i!<$r$*$3(J$@$9IQEY$,$+$J$jA}$($k$h$&$J(J
$@5$$,$7$^$9!#;HMQ$K:9$7;Y$($k$[$I$N$b$N$G$O$J$$$G$9$,!#(J
$@$^$(!"(Jfj.printcap.postscript$@$K(Jpostscript$@%W%j%s%?!<MQ$N(J
$@%(%i!<$r0u:~$9$k%D!<%k$N>R2p$,$"$j$^$7$?$,!"$"$N$J$+$K(J
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(stty 19200 exta;cat)</dev/ttya
           (/dev/ttya$@$O!"%W%j%s%?!<$N$D$J$,$C$F$$$k%G%P%$%9!K(J

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||   :br#38400:fc#0177474:fs#0000303:xc#0:xs#0040040:mx#0:rw:sf:sb:\
||   fc $@$d(J fs $@$d(J xs $@$O$b$N$9$4$/$$$$2C8:$K=q$-$^$7$?!#E,Ev$K(J

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                              E-mail morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp
From: hirose@ori.shimz.co.jp (Keiichi Hirose)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: SS2 + 801PS
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:55:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ohsaki Research Institute of Shimizu Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: tak@uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp's message of 18 Aug 92 14:08:11 GMT

$@9-@%!w@6?e7z@_(J $@$H?=$7$^$9!%(J

In article <TAK.92Aug18230811@gemini.uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp> tak@uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp (Takashi Hasegawa) writes:

 >$@$R(J$@$H$D<ALd$,$"$k$N$G$9$,!"$I$J$?$+(JSS2$@$K2-EE5$$N(J801PS$@$r%7%j%"%k@\B3$7$?(J
 >$@J}$O$$$^$;$s$G$7$g$&$+!#(J

 >$@$K(J$@BP$7$F$O$A$c$s$H%-%e!<$,@Q$^$l$F$$$k$HI=<($5$l$^$9!#$^$?!"%W%j%s%?B&(J
 >$@$b%G!<%?$N<u?.$r$7$a$9%i%s%W$O(J$@E@LG$7$F$$$^$9!#$7$+$7!"$A$g$C$H$d$=$C$H(J
 >$@$^$C$F$b0u:~$5$l$^$;$s!#$A$J$_$K%U%!%$%k$N%5%$%:$O(Jcat$@$G0u:~(J$@$7$?$H$-$O(J
 >$@#2!A#3J,$b$+$+$i$J$+$C$?$h$&$JNL$,#5J,$^$C$F$b0u:~$5$l$^$;$s$G$7$?!#(J

$@;d$b!$(JNTXII-J $@$+$i(J 801PS $@$K49$($?;~$K!$$3$l$K$O$^$j$^$7$?!%(J
$@%7%j%"%k%]!<%H$N%\!<%l!<%H$r:GE,CM$K9g$o$;$J$$;~$K!$0J>e$N$h(J$@$&$J>I>u$,(J
$@=P$k$h$&$G$9!%(J/etc/printcap $@$N%(%s%H%j$N$&$A!$(Jbr#9600 $@$G$OBLL\$G!$(J
br#19200 $@$K$9$kI,MW$,$"(J$@$j$^$9!%(J

$@;d$?$A$NMQ$$$F$$$k(J /etc/printcap $@$N0lIt$r<($7$^$9!%(J

lw|ps|postscript|PostScript:\
	:lp=/dev/ttya:sd=/var/spool/lw:sh:\
	:lf=/var/spool/lw/lw-log:af=/var/adm/lw.acct:\
	:br#19200:rw:fc#0000374:fs#0000003:xc#0:xs#0040040:mx#0:sf:sb:\
         ^^^^^^^^
$@30$7$F$$$?$i$4$a$s$J$5$$!%(J
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                 --- Veni, veni creator Spiritus! ---
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From: tsuka@jackal.mikan.juice.or.jp (Katsuo-Tsukamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: Wanted! Free LBP-B406(LIPSII) Filter
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:29:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: mikan.juice in Chigasaki-city, Kanagawa-ken


	$B;O$a$^$7$F!!DMK\!w%_%+%s%8%e!<%9$H$b$&$7$^$9!#(J

In article <HIROSE.92Aug3221957@rigel.ori.shimz.co.jp>, hirose@ori.shimz.co.jp (Keiichi Hirose) writes:
> $B9-@%!w@6?e7z@_(J $B$H?=$7$^$9!%(J
> 
> 
> $B$=$3$G<ALd$G$9!%(JCanon LaserShot LBP-B406(LIPS II)$BMQ%W%j%s%?%U%#%k%?$G!$(J
> $B%U%j!<$N$b$N$OB8:_$9$k$N$G$7$g$&$+!%!V;d%=!<%9$r;}$C$F$^$9!W!V$3$3$+$i(J
> ftp$B=PMh$k$h!W$J$I$N>pJs$,$"$j$^$7$?$i8f65<(2<$5$$$^$;!%F|K\8lBP1~$G$"(J
> $B$l$P$J$*4r$7$$$N$G$9$,!%!%!%;HMQ%7%9%F%`$O(J SunOS4.1.2 + JLE1.1.2 $B$G$9!%(J
> 
	$B:#7n!J@h7n!)!KH/4)$5$l$?#u#n#i#x%f!<%6!<!J%=%U%H%P%s%/!)!K!t#1(J
	$B$KCzEY>e5-$N#L#I#P#SMQ%U%#%k%?!<$N%5%s%W%k%W%m%0%i%`$,:\$C$F(J
	$B$$$^$7$?!#%^%7%s$O#N#E#W#S$@$C$?$h$&$J$-$,$7$^$9$,!"F1MM$G$7$g$&!#(J
	$B;29M$K$J$k$H;W$$$^$9!#$<$R$*Gc$$5a$a$/$@$5$$!#(J


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---$B?@F`@n8)3}%v:j;T(J   -----------
From: onono@kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp (ONO Kouichi)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: SS2 + 801PS
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:22:10 GMT
	<MORITA.92Aug20102011@hiko.isct.kyutech.ac.jp>
Distribution: fj
Organization: Kadokura-Lab., School of Sci. & Eng., WASEDA Univ., Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp's message of 20 Aug 92 01:20:11 GMT

In article <MORITA.92Aug20102011@hiko.isct.kyutech.ac.jp>,
	morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp (morita) wrote:

> ||   From: onono@kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp (ONO Kouichi)
> ||   Date: 19 Aug 92 15:01:13 GMT
> ||   $@$=$&$J$s$G(J$@$9$+(J? $@$&$A$O(J SPARCstation1+ $@$K(J 38,400bps $@$G$D(J
> ||   $@$J$$$G$$$^$9$,0lG/H>$/$i$$7P2a$7$?8=:_!"LdBj$OFC(J$@$K$"$j$^(J
> ||   $@$;$s!#(J
> 
> 38,400bps$@$GF0$+$9$H%(%i!<$r$*$3$9IQEY$,$+$J$jA}$($k$h$&$J(J
> $@5$$,$7$^$9!#;H(J$@MQ$K:9$7;Y$($k$[$I$N$b$N$G$O$J$$$G$9$,!#(J

$@$I$s$J%(%i!<$G$7$g$&$+!#$&$A$N(J MicroLine $@$O!"%H%J!<$d%I(J
$@%i%`(J$@8r49$r2?EY$b$d$C$F$1$C$3$&7c$7$/;H$o$l$F$$$^$9$,!"%7(J
$@%j%"%k%i%$%s$NDL?.4X78$G$*$+$7$/$J$C$?$3$H$,$"$j(J$@$^$;$s!#(J

$@$^$!!"2?$H$+L5;v$K;H$($F$$$k$H$3$m$b$"$k$H$$$&$3$H$G!#(J

> ||   :br#38400:fc#0177474:fs#0000303:xc#0:xs#0040040:mx#0:rw:sf:sb:\
> ||   fc $@$d(J fs $@$d(J xs $@$O$b$N$9$4$/$$$$2C8:$K=q$-$^$7$?!#E,Ev$K(J
> 
> SUN-OS4.1.1$@$J$i(Jms$@%U%$!<%k%I$r;H$($P$3$s$J$N$r=q$+$J$/$F$b(J
> $@$$$$$O$:$G$9!#(J

$@$3$l$r=q$$$?;~$O!"3N$+(J 4.1 $@$@$C$?$s$G$9!#$@$+$i$A$g$C$H(J
$@;n9T:x8m$7$?$s$G$9$,!"E,Ev$K$&$j$c$H7h$a$?$i$=$l$GF0$$$A$c$C(J
$@$?!#(J

>   $@$"$H!"0u:~$5$l$k%Z!<%8$NA0$K%X%C%@!<%Z!<%8$,$D$/>l9g$,(J
> $@$"$j$^$9!#(J

$@$3$l$O%P!<%9%H%Z!<%8$N$3$H$G(J$@$9$M!#(Jsh $@$r$D$1$F$*$/$HM^@)(J
$@$5$l$k$s$G$7$?$C$1!#(J

> UNIX$@$N(Jlpr,lpd$@$G%]%9%H%9%/%j%W%H%W%j%s%?!<$K0u:~$9(J$@$k$N$O(J
> $@$1$C$3$&L5M}$,$"$k$N$G$O$J$$$+$H;W$C$F$$$^$9!#(J

$@%U%#%k%?$,LLE]$r8+$k$O$:$G$9$,!D!D(J
--
				Ono  Kouichi
				$@>.Ln(J $@9/0l(J
				onono@kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp
From: onono@kado.elec.waseda.ac.jp (ONO Kouichi)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: SS2 + 801PS
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:31:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Kadokura-Laboratory, Department of Electric Engineering, School
	of Science and Engineering, WASEDA University
In-reply-to: tak@uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp's message of 18 Aug 92 14:08:11 GMT

In article <TAK.92Aug18230811@gemini.uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp>,
	tak@uchikawa.nuem.nagoya-u.ac.jp (Takashi Hasegawa) wrote:

> $@$R$H$D<ALd$,$"$k$N$G$9$,!"$I$J$?$+(JSS2$@$K2-EE5$$N(J801PS$@$r%7%j%"%k@\B3$7$?(J
> $@J}$O$$$^$;$s$G$7$g$&$+!#(J

OS $@$O$?$V$s(J SunOS 4.1.1 $@$+(J 4.1.2 $@$@$H;W$$$^$9$,!"4D6-$r(J
$@$G$-$k$@$1>\$7$/<((J$@$7$?J}$,$$$$$H;W$$$^$9$h!#(J

> $@@hF|$-$l$$$JF|K\8l$r0u:~$7$?$/(J801PS$@$r$D$J$$$G$_$?$H$3$m(J
> 
> % cat file > /dev/ttya
> 
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Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: RR bridges, was Cost of transit systems vs highways
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:22:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug17.234750.16894@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.125555@wsl.dec.com>, gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug17.192242.10660@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>> |> You're comparing an LRV full out against a BART train in service.  I
>> |> encountered a story over ten years ago (from two different,
>> |> independent sources) that some BART engineers once tried to find out
>> |> how fast the trains could go.  Report was that they lost their nerve
>> |> going around a turn at 120 mph . . .
>> 
>> Which is when the motor burned out right?  Besides LRVs could go
>> much faster than 55 as well.  I'm talking about the use of both
>> systems in practice, not in a theoretical sense.
>
>Nope.  They slowed it down.  According to the reports I heard, the
>train was still accelerating.
>
>I won't argue that the LRVs will go over 55, but that's the way the
>article was written.  In practice, they don't do that any more than
>BART trains do 120.  In theory, no one actually know what a BART train
>will do--only that i's something greater than 120.  What's the highest
>you've ever heard of someone getting out of an LRV?

Similarly, I'm curious as to the flat-out maximum for the various types of
Amtrak power.  Anyone know?  I've always wondered if the TurboTrain wouldn't,
given sufficiently straight track and no speed limit, run faster than the
F40.  Isn't the TurboTrain design derived from an early TGV prototype?

>
>	--Hal
>-- 
>Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
>Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
>510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
>whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare


-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon	 tls@panix.COM
  "Oh, you have wounded me!  I have very few prejudices, actually.  The
biggest problem is that I am intolerant of fools.  That is why I have
such a low tolerance level for Libertarians."  -- Jim McMaster
From: editor@wet.UUCP (Eric Swanson)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: The Rebuilding of the Wrecked West Oakland I-880 Segment
Summary: food fer thought
Keywords: 880 BART traffic stuff
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:59:37 GMT
Followup-To: ba.transportation
Distribution: ba
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
|Do you think a BART extension to Livermore would have an effect on
|traffic on the complex from the I80-I580 through the I580-I980-Ca24
|area?

joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) responds:
>Of course not.  BART runs near 880 for most of its length, and 880 has
>the worst traffic of any non-bridge in the area.  

I think a little differentiation is called for here.  There
are two different places where 880 traffic is notorious, and
I think they're lousy for different reasons.  My thoughts:
  - 880 near the Bay Bridge, particularly in the area where
    traffic is severely affected by the missing Cypress,
    gets hairy because one piece of the freeway is missing.
    Everyone has to go around it, and many of them are going
    around it just to get in line for the bridge, which I
    suspect complicates things sometimes (I'm not an east-
    to-west bridge commuter, so this is mostly conjecture.)
  - 880 between Hayward and San Jose, particularly the long
    two-lane-per-direction stretch from San Jose to Fremont
    (or maybe Union City?), gets hairy because there are
    just plain too many cars for the lanes, so any little
    disruption can cause a painful backup.

In the first case, I think it's safe to say that the backup
is not really "caused" by people not taking BART (depending
on how you look at it, of course).  It's caused by the
absence of a piece of freeway around which traffic patterns
developed.  Am I correct in assuming that this Oakland-area
stretch of 880 was more civilized before October of 1989?
And just think how much worse things would be if 80,000+
transbay BART commuters (guesstimate based on 275,000ish
boardings per day -- reasonable?) all got back in their
cars!

In the second case, however, the traffic is bad enough (and
for little enough reason) that more southeast-Bay commuters
could probably be lured onto BART (or any other useful
transit system) if it actually went where and when they
wanted to go.  So long as BART ends in noFREMONTwhere, it's
not going to do many southeast-bay people much good.

E.

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Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Subject: Disabled access
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:00:02 GMT

In article <133270@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
> In article <4671@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
> >Vaughn Wolffe <vaughnw@asia.fai.com> writes:
> >
> >	The reality is that even on systems like BART disabled people
> >	do not ride transit enough to justify the cost.
> >
> >What's the "cost" to society if you make disabled people immobile by
> >not providing access?  What formula did you use to come up with this
> >statement?
> 
> For once, Vaughn is probably right about something.  In most
> Canadian cities, including Montreal and Ottawa, the local transit
> agency provides free, chauffered door-to-door van services for
> disabled people.  They believe, and it certainly may be true, that
> this is cheaper than equipping all the buses and subway stations
> for handicapped people.
> 
> Ed
> ed@wente.llnl.gov

It probably is true, but
from the handicapped point of view, this is greatly inferior service.
For one, you generally have to make reservations.  Second, you are also
quite limited in service area.  Third, if you want to go somewhere
with friends on transit, you can't.

That said, it is, unfortunately, quite expensive to provide access.
Monetarily, the extra money received from disabled riders will never
pay for the cost of allowing them to ride (or pay at the standard
farebox recovery ratio, where, on SCCTD, for example, it would only
have to pay 12%).  It comes down to a political question as to how
much society wants to spend to provide for access.

By the way, the first Canadian cities to start to provide such access
are Victoria and Vancouver.  Vancouver is using standard wheelchair
lifts in their newer buses (I think Skytrain and Seabus are accessible
to, but am not sure).  Victoria is buying low floor buses which have
no steps until you get past the back door.  That allows them to use a
much simpler ramp.

jeremy

Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: REQ: Transpo avail/$ from SFO to downtown SF. 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:25:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug15.172133.1@fnalb.fnal.gov> maxwell@fnalb.fnal.gov writes:
>Is it possible to take public transpo' from SFO to downtown SF? How much $?

Yes.  ABout $1.50, I think. 

>Howsabout from Oakland Airport to downtown SF? $?

Yes.  Probably around $4.

>Is a cab significantly faster? $?

Yes.  Around $20-$30. 

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Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung)
Subject: [cars] Re: How much pollution from motor vehicles?
Followup-To: null
Reply-To: chungdan@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: Electronics For Imaging, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:56:51 GMT


     I wonder how much of you car-pool to relief the situation.
Right now we have four people carpooling most of the time -- although
it will be down to three people soon (one of
us is a summer intern).  However, I suggest that every company have
a carpool plan.  I don't like seeing one-person vehicles (unless, e.g.
the trip is only ten kilometre/ers each way) on the highway.

				*Zhong* Qi-Iao, Palo Alto, U.S.A.
From: vaughnw@asia.fai.com (Vaughn Wolffe)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: San Mateo County BART/SFO Resolution
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:05:43 GMT



:The Dumbarton Bridge Feasibility study said $29 million. Five of
:that is for locomotives. If we were to electrify CalTrain we could
:use some of the existing ones instead pay that additional cost.
:A BART bridge would cost $3.5 billion according to the SCR20
:study.

>From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
>What do the costs include? 


Since you are unable or unwilling to believe or understand what I
tell you, then ask BART and/or the MTC. 



>BART could use the existing
>Dumbarton Bridge, though with new tracks. 


Do your own homework, then maybe you would say such nonsense.



>If this solution is adoped,
>the BART line would replace the SP line between the Peninsula and the
>western East Bay north-south lines.


Prove it!  Do some study and ask somebody that knows. 




	>Enough room for two BART tracks.


Ask BART, they are a public agency.


>Hourly rail service? That would require a heck of a lot of
>locos and passenger cars. As well as a heck of a lot of
>double-tracking. To get sufficient ridership, land will have to be
>bought for parking. Underpasses or overpasses will have to be built.  
>The expenses mount. BART-level service -> BART-level costs.


Prove it! Do some study. You obviously haven't got a clue and you
do not believe or understand what I have given, with references.



	>The SFO extension is scheduled to open in 2000.

2003.




>My point is: Would CalTrain to Market St. carry more people to
>SFO than the planned BART extension?

Yes, according to the DEIR .



>	Superior in what way?

Cost to upgrade, expandability, speed, ease of implementation.



>If it is cost you are concerned about, then consider the
>operating cost/passenger, not the total cost.


CalTrain per passenger mile  19 cents   BART  23 cents.


So much of what you post is absolute nonsense, which you have yet to 
substantiate with any references.. 
All of the questions
you ask could easily be answered by calling BART or MTC.




   Vaughn Wolffe        vaughnw@hadar.fai.com
From: vaughnw@asia.fai.com (Vaughn Wolffe)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: As bad as it seems?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:48:38 GMT




     >> closer to Market would be the removal of the Samtrans buses.

>From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
>Is that actually part of the plan or just your guess?  Samtrans

If I was guessing I would have stated such. This is what Samtrans
has stated. 


   Vaughn Wolffe        vaughnw@hadar.fai.com
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