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From: alxs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Alex Slotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Progressive Rock Groups/Musicians
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:29:52 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


Keywords:progressive rock, art rock



I am interested in getting into more prog. rock bands. Anyone have any
reccomendations?
The bands I currently listen to & enjoy are: 
   ABWH, Bruford, Camel, Caravan, Dixie Dregs, Djam Karet, ELP, Focus,
French Frith Kaiser Thompson, Robert Fripp, Genesis (old), Gentle Giant,
Gong, Steve Hackett, Peter Hammill, Henry Cow, Steve Howe, Jethro Tull,
King Crimson, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Marillion, National Health, The Nice,
Mike Oldfield, Pink Floyd, Queen, Return to Forever, Rush, Chris Squire,
The Stickmen, Triumvirat, U.K., Uriah Heep, Van der Graaf Generator,
Rick Wakeman & Yes.
Out of the above, my favorites would have to be King Crimson, Gentle Giant,
ELP, old Genesis and Yes.
Also, can anybody give me any info or opinions on the following groups:
   Alpha III, Art Bears, Ash Ra Temple, Atomic Rooster, Banco, Barclay James
Harvest, Blodwyn Pig, Bodast, Brainbox, Brand X, Centipede, Circus, Circus 2000
, Colosseum, Colosseum II, Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Dream Theater, Egg,
Ekseption, Eloy, Episode, Family, Fields, Fred Frith, Giraffe, The Gods,
Greenslade, Grobschnitt, Hatfield & the North, Steve Hillage, Iconoclasta,
IQ, Henry Kaiser, Lucifer's Hammer, Magellan, Magma, Mastermind, Mogul Thrash,
The Muffins, Omega, Ovary Lodge, PFM, PM, Pavlov's Dog, Pendragon, Random
Hold, Refugee, Renaissance, Shadow Gallery, Soft Machine, Tempest, Steve
Tibbetts, Keith Tippett, Tomorrow, David Torn, Trace, The Trip, Univers Zero,
UZEB & World.

P.S. - Are there any mailing lists or FTP archives devoted to progressive rock
   and/or fusion? And just how do you progressive netters get hold of the
   really obscure recordings (is there a magazine or newsletter you read?)?

Thanks.

***Alex Slotkin***alxs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu***
"Greasy machinery slides on the rails, young minds & bodies on steel spokes
                  impaled!" - Van der Graaf Generator
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 4 Heroin songs of all time
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:12:05 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <john.722271226@spssig> john@spss.com (John Przyborowski) writes:
>uummmmm......
|
|"Pusherman" was recorded *by* Curtis Mayfield, nein|
|
|How about "Sister Morphine" from the Stones?
|
|The band Hanoi Rocks?
|
|other drug songs.....
|
|"White Light, White Heat" VU. 'Bout speed.

"Chase the Dragon" by Steely Dan is aboud smoking heroin.
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From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Re: Movie stars in rock videos
In-reply-to: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:12:40 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:09:46 GMT


In article <BxuBL5.IyG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:

   geigel@seas.gwu.edu (Joseph Geigel) writes:


   >   I guess appearing in rock video is the latest chic thing to do 
   >   in Hollywood.

   >   Can anyone think of other examples?


   Chevy Chase in "Call me Al" - Paul Simon
   Tawny Kitaen in those Whitesnake videos (David Coverdale's wife)
   Johnny Depp in "Into the great wide open" - Tom Petty
   Arnold Schwarzenegger in "You could be Mine" - Guns 'N Roses

   Many many more which I haven't the time to think of...
   this should help start a list...

						   Dave

=======================================================

Eeek!  Another goddamn list.  In any case, add...

Leonard Nimoy in "Going Down To Liverpool" by The Bangles
Lou Diamond Phillips in "The Angels" by Melissa Etheridge
Robin Williams in "Don't Worry, Be Happy" by Bobby McFerrin
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:20:14 EST
From: <JXM22@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: k.d. lang tour dates?/hotline#?

Does anyone have access to the new k.d.lang tour dates, or the hotline phone
number? The phone number I have says the line is no longer in service.
                      Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:17:42 GMT

David Baggett...

> You actually sounded reasonable until you got past this paragraph.

Whew, you are in serious need of a reading comprehension course if you
think I've sounded reasonable in this thread.

> >Can it?  Is it true that RAY SHEA HAS NO FACE?
> 
> met.a.phor \'met-*-.fo.(*)r, -f*r\ \.met-*-'fo.r-i-k*l, -'fa:r-\ 
>   \-i-k(*-)le-\ n [MF or L; MF, metaphore, fr. L metaphora, fr. Gk, fr. 
>   metapherei]n to transfer, fr. meta- + pherein to bear - more at BEAR : a 
>   figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind  of 
>   object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy 
>   between them (as in the ship plows the sea); broadly : figurative language 
>   - met.a.phor.i.cal aj

Try this, denizen of the dictionary:

	joke \'joEk\ n
	[L jocus; akin to OHG gehan to say, Skt yaEcati he implores]
	(1670)
	1a: something said or done to provoke laughter; esp: a brief oral
	    narrative with a climactic humorous twist
	 b (1): the humorous or ridiculous element in something
	   (2): an instance of jesting: KIDDING "can't take a joke"

> Case in point: I still have *yet* to see any of you musical
> sophisticates actually address any of the content of my reply to Ray's
> ranting.  COULD IT BE that if you can't dispatch your victims posthaste
> that you don't really want to contribute?  COULD IT BE that you're
> really more interested in tearing people down rather than discussing
> the topics at hand?

Could it be that many of us are fascinated by how people, such as yourself,
can appear to be so utterly humorous?  Could it be that we stare in disbelief
at how simply you are baited?  Could it be that we're amazed at how seriously
you take this entire discussion?  Could it be that you've missed the humor in
this entire thread?  Could be.

> But I *do* get the impression that this group is dominated by a small
> cadre of people who consider themselves musically superior to everyone
> else here, and feel it appropriate to crap all over anyone who says
> something that goes contrary to their opinions, or *GOD FORBID* doesn't
> follow standard typographical conventions.

No one dominates this group.  It's a trivial matter to make any one or
group of us virtually disappear from your reading.  It's as simple a matter
not to speak to us, followup our posts, or reply to us in anyway.  You've
chosen to enter and prolong this whole discussion, so what's your complaint,
really?  If you dont enjoy our posts, don't read them.  Personally, I'm
glad you do, as your replies provide some of the day's best reading.
 
> Why don't you all just join hands and dance in a circle for us?  You're
> *such* good friends and you know *so* much.  Right, Ray?  Kiss, kiss.

I can't speak for Ray, but I find that dancing really impairs my ability to
truly enjoy music... dancing being the unmusical activity that it is, and all.

-dx
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.newage,rec.music.exotic
From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: looking for the celts/subpop
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:10:13 GMT

I have a problem. Last year on world cafe, I heard a group called the celts. 
They're are on the label subpop (i'm sure), but I think it was only a UK 
distribution. Before you all start to tell me about ANOTHER group called the 
celts also, hear me out.
     This group is not even a group at all. It's a collaboration of a UK folk 
singer and a producer (?). They've only produced one album (as far as I know). 
I called world cafe several times to send me their play list catalog, but no 
response, ever. No one in the US seems to know what I'm talking about.
    When I was in London over the summer, a local record store (can't remember 
the name, it was not tower records - it was some real hole in the wall with a 
skinhead behind the counter) where the guy knew what i was talking about, but 
didn't have any records in stock. Since this was my only day in LOndon, i 
couldn't order it. (He was very nice though and we bought some other 
underground stuff there.)
     If anyone has any info on this, please e-mail me so that I can order it.

Thanks in advance - Elena

echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: The Real 10 best bands of all time
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:15:02 EST
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo

In article <1992Nov18.151028.2044@scott.skidmore.edu> croth@scott.skidmore.edu (catherine roth) writes:
>maybe we could work on a new list that will include single artists.

Yeah, more lists.  We definitely need more lists.

>using the term bands shuts a lot of influential people out.

I agree.  This is BANDISM, pure and simple.  Let's make it illegal.




-- 
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
    
                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: Leo Lends a Hand (was Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic)
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:16:56 GMT

dmb@xbar.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

> And you've done more than your share of inflicting narrow opinions
> upon everyone, as has Ray (your defendant).  (One of these narrow
> opinions being that only people who have as broad musical experience
> as you claim to have should be allowed to post their opinions and
> not be treated like crap;

I have never said anything like this at all, and I dare you to
reproduce even one single sentence from an article I wrote that
supports your claim.

Everybody is free to post their 'opinions' on any subject. Period.
But if somebody, *anybody*, else subsequently questions those opinions,
or is able to show that those opinions are those of somebody who 
does not know what he is talking about (i.e. 'is uninformed'), then
I think the original poster should either back up his original claims,
or gracefully admit he was wrong or careless.

Instead all we get is people either denying that disagreement is ever
possible at all (because, hey, well, you know, everything is just an
*opinion*, right?), or people mistaking attacks on opinions for
attacks on persons, or people like you who suddenly find evidence that
there is a rec.music.misc 'elite' who mercilessly flame everybody in
sight who does not have their 'broad musical experience'.

My own fragmentary knowledge of popular music comes far more closer to
the musical influence sphere of the original poster in this thread.
On *my* personal list of top 10 bands you would find mostly white,
male rock bands as well. Yet I have been more or less continually
posting to this newsgroup (and mostly on the subject of bands like
that) for almost five years now, and I have yet to receive my first
flame from Ray or any other member of your supposed elite.

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: all-star dead band
Date: 20 Nov 1992 05:28:43 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <168A4129F5.AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu>, AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Hurricane Andrew) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.151626.2307@scott.skidmore.edu>
>croth@scott.skidmore.edu (catherine roth) writes:
> 
>>ps: what about janis joplin?
> 
>How 'bout Terry Kath? Bigest vocal cords of the early 70s - The
>guy who made Chicago great (And no, Jason Scheff is no substitute)
> 
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  A n d r e w   V e r n o n =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>                       Anything is possible...
>     avernon1@ua1vm.ua.edu | avernon@nyx.cs.du.edu | DGIF #9691



HEY...Jason Scheff is a substitute...a really rather POOR one when compared to
Terry Kath...(the Free Form Guitar stuff on CTA was great fuzz!)


later
-justin



Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:24:54 GMT

D. Nathan Hood...

> i get that impression from the fact that he gets flamed for his posts... ok
> here is a situation... everytime you do something you get flamed for it...
> are you going to do it for too long... heck no... i think that the constant
> flaming of his stuff is a deterrent to his posting...  now there are
> certain instances when he has deserved it... and there are certain
> instances when everyone deserves it... but most of the flames came on the
> heels of his being unable to back up his opoinions... people can't always
> defend their opinions sometimes they aren't that rational...

Whuh?  *Every* time?  I don't know about the rest of the cabal, er cult,
but I've never read or resonded to anything by young Mr. Silverman before.
If you mean that in this thread he has continually found his posts questioned,
then perhaps it's because he continually says more and more indefensable
things.  If the criticism leads him to stop posting, perhaps that would be
a loss, perhaps it wouldn't.  Perhaps the next time, rather than dismissing
the entire foundation of an artistic genre (e.g., Black music), he'll think
twice when confronted by someone who so obviously knows more, and has thought
longer about the subject that Mr. Silverman is posting his opinion about.

We've all been called to the carpet here before... and many of us are still
here, with more information than we had beforehand, posting our opinions,
and letting the readers decide how valuable or informed they are.

-dx
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:42:53 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <cubsfan.721966135@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>It isn't spoken word, so I would guess it is a form of music (as
>mutated a form as it is). 

If you think *rap* is mutated, you definitely have some listening to catch
up on.  Might I suggest John Cage and Cecil Taylor for starters?



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UniSQL, Inc.                           all my shrimps was dead and gone...
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DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
From: 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Looking for 'Spanish Train' by DeBurgh
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:22:17 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Does anyone out there have Chris DeBurgh's 'Spanish Train'??  if so, where did
you find it and how much???
Thanks!!

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From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:56:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov17.075619.14468
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Jack Brand...

> 1. The Archies

When you list The Archies, do you mean just the Archies, or do you include
the work that Ron Dante did under his own name?  Also, do you mean the version
of the band before or after Jughead split to form his own gamelan orchestra?

> 2. The Partridge Family

I think we've been over this a few times already, haven't we?  The 'Family,
as a band, was really little more than Shirley Jones and David Cassidy, so it's
hard to really call them a "band."  Now, if you want to open up the "best
tambourine player", I'm right behind you in nominating Tracey.

> 5. The Osmonds

Again, much like the Archies, do you take the Osmonds catalog as one,
undividable whole, or do you mean a specific era?  In particular, I wonder
whether you include the pre-Jimmy era (when he was still having solo hits
like "Killer Joe")?  And what about the post-Donny era, when the other
four brothers toured without him?  Or do you really mean The Osmonds,
the whole clan, who toured together in '82, with Jimmy, Donny, Marie and
all the rest?

> 6. The 1910 Fruitgum Company

Much like the Archies, can you really include the 'Fruitgum without
including their other identities -- specifically the Ohio Express?  Perhaps
you mean to make a more general nomination for the whole Kasnetz-Katz
circus?

> 7. Happy Kline and the Mirthmakers

Now do you mean the fictional identify (and wasn't it "Kyne"?), or the
American legend, Frank DeVol, who played him?  Clearly, for composing the
theme to "Family Affair", alone, DeVol could make the list.  But if you
start to consider Kyne's involvement in those "Bun 'n' Run" establishments,
he could lose points.

-dx
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: a70901@uwasa.fi (Mikko Suhonen)
Subject: Bands with self-titled songs?
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:12:27 GMT

Queen has been active in releasing if not self titled but
songs with the name QUEEN mentioned including:
	White Queen - as it began
	The March Of the Black Queen
	Killer Queen


-- 
Mikko Suhonen
Vaasa, Finland
(a70901@chyde.uwasa.fi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: raivio@niksula.hut.fi (Perttu Raivio)
Subject: Re: Mark Brzezicki (drummer) question
Reply-To: teklara@tekla.fi
Organization: BREWTeX - Wine, women and song
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.160216.23597@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> courtney@podunk.cps.msu.edu (Jonathan Courtney) writes:
>
>   Does anyone know the whereabouts of Mark Brzezicki (former?) drummer for
> Big Country?  The last time I saw him was on B.C.'s _Peace_In_Our_Time_.
> Is Big Country even in existence any more?

	Brzezicki left the band after Peace in Our Time to work as a
session musician (as if drummers were considered musicians...). He did
appear as a guest on Big Country's latest album No Place Like Home,
with which the band departed even further from their original "bag
pipe guitar" sound. I don't know anything about the band since the
release of the album, though.

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	K.P.Raivio - Helsinki U of T - raivio@niksula.hut.fi
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From: brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (marmoset)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Pop Trivia: Night of a Thousand Eyes
Keywords: Night of a thousand eyes
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:20:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov20.181551.5778@leland.Stanford.EDU> malan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Malan) writes:
>I am looking for the proper title, original performers and, if possible,
>words to an obscure pop "oldie" (50's or 60's I think). 
>
>The only words I remember are:
>
>"Don't tell those little white lies... 
>       ...'cause the night has a thousand eyes"

I couldn't help but see that there's something amiss (at least according to
my - questionable as it is - memory) with these lyrics.


"So, remember when you tell those little white lies
 That the night...Has a thousand eyes."

I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

I also remember,

"cuz the night
has a thousand eyes
and a thousand eyes
can't help but see..."

good luck.
--

marmoset
"green bottles!"
"BROWN BOTTLES!"
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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Where is ranjit???
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:52:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov19.010552.10280@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
>
>
>
>Hi, I can't find ranjit.  I have tried ranjit@synopsis.com, to which
>my mailer replies "get lost" (or something equally rude), and also
>ranjit@netcom.com, and gotten no reply!
>
>Does anyone know if/where this ranjit entity exists?

I've gotten prompt and courteous replies from ranjit@netcom.com


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From: indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: 5 All time singer/songwriters
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:15:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In <722057762snz@mccomp.demon.co.uk> imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk (imcneill) writes:

>Criteria is simple:

>a) Must compose/co-compose most of his/her recordings.
>b) Must have a long, regular and successful history (>10 yrs).
>c) I must like them (well it is my top five !).

I think a list of great singer-songwriters should only have criteria A.
(And definitely not criteria C! :) )

Since this is my favorite genre right now, I feel like I have to post
something...  This is not a list of "greatness," it's just a list of the
music I would rather be listening to right now.

1) Amy Ray (one of the Indigo Girls)
2) Emily Saliers (the other one)
3) Mary Chapin Carpenter
4) Nanci Griffith
5) Lucinda Williams


Adam

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From: croth@scott.skidmore.edu (catherine roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: 5 All time singer/songwriters
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:11:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Nov18.151146.2113
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

what? no women?
                                    cathy
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:22:23 -0500 
From: Thomas Albert Haddad <th2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Movie stars in rock videos
	<1992Nov18.185525.5065@msdhsv.ingr.com>


Robert Conrad in Richard Marx's "Hazard"
Eddie Murphy and a bunch of others in Michael Jackson's "Remember the time"

and if you count cases of songs from soundtracks where the stars of the
movie appear in the video (not counting clips from movies)
Michael Myers and Dana Carvey in Tia Carrere's "Ballroom Blitz" and
Cinderella's "Hot and Bothered"
Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines in "Sweet Liberty" (I can't remember the
singer's name)
Pauly Shore in Vince Neil's "You're invited but your friend can't come"
Prince in Tevin Campbell's "Round and Round"
  
also I think Terri Garr was in a video a while ago.

That's all I can think of (besides those stated already)


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