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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: HELLO!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:05:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, jrlst14+@PITT.EDU (James R Llewellyn) says:

>and will try to do better in the future. In return, I will answer all
>questions as thouroughly as I feel.
>1. The +: I don't know why it is there. It was there when I came and
>will probably be there when I am gone. I am a relative neophyte insofar
>as computer communication, so an explanation is beyond me. That does,

<chuckle>  Ane, we got us a downy one!  I don't even remember how to do that
off of a VAX.  Wait a sec - Reply/Extract comes to mind.....  This is being 
done on an EMACS modification [local origin] from a UNIX machine.  If you're
working barebrained, ask your sysop how to call up the editor that's used in 
your mailer.

>2. "Fresh Meat": I am not exactly sure what is meant by that term. There
<ROFL!>  Ohhhhh boy!

>was no outstanding punctuation, so I'll discount any sexual reference.
>In my slightly less than quarter century, I have become seasoned,
>tenderized, and spoiled, so "fresh" seems ludicrous.

Only from there, my unbroiled friend, only from there....


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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:50:06 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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              Nov 10, 92 9:14 am

>
Blomberg Cepeda wrote -
>
> >> OK, you prig Agnes, in English we have an indefinite article. The fact that
> >                                 ^^^^^^^^
> >                                     ????
> >
> >Are you for REALLY for real?
> >It is obvious that you have practiced mugging and heavy handed
> >thuggery on some other lists, but the flames on this list have
> >require at least *some* element of finesse. The thickness
> >of your synapses just will not do. Do go away and come back when you
> >have grown up some. Take several lifetimes, if you need to, do.
>
> Agnes, I had not been sure until now that you _weren't_ a native speaker, and
> then it is only an assumption based on my inability to interprete this any
> other way.

I earn and have earned my living using words - ENGLISH words - in some
very competitive places. Whether I am a native speaker or not is irrelevant
- I have long learned that I am better at it than most (and even have
repeated official confirmation of same, just in case I wasn't sure).
Now that you are calmer, please reread your original post. My
recollection of it is (I don't have time to dig it out now)

	"....good Hungarian (if that is not an oxymoron)...."

It is pejorative, no matter how you slice it. There was no context to
explain in any other way - your later ex-post facto interpretation, while
a nice try (it is appreciated and I thank you for trying), is just that.
But let us drop it.

>
> b. "calmer after some sleep and some coffee" c.
>

Me too, but now I have to go and earn a living. (Yes, using words: I
am on deadline for some articles.)

Bye now - and be good.

Agnes
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nov. 22, 1963
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>
> This weekend, a friend who's 48 or so, was making a big deal of the fact that
> for the first time, the president is *older* than her.  She found it rather
> disconcerting, she said.  Any wordslers feeling the same way?
>
Did you mean *younger* than she is? :-)  I hadn't thought about that, but
it is a funny feeling the first time you realize that people in your life
that you are accustomed to thinking of as authority figures or important
sources of help and advice are *younger* than you are.  I remember when I
was 31 and our church hired a minister who was 26...it just didn't feel
*right* somehow.  Not too long ago my husband and I discussed the prospect
of major eye surgery with my retina specialist, the junior associate in a
Houston practice.  Both my doctor (who is probably 33-35) and his older
partner were in the meeting...my husband told me afterward he had to bite
his tongue to keep from asking if "the grownup can do the surgery."
ndh
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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>     I believe his nickname was always Teddy, but wasn't it in Mississippi
> that he saved the bear cub or whatever it was which gave rise to "Teddy Bear?"

It had something to do with bear-hunting in Mississippi, I think.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     out of town and way behind in mail...  will probably stay behind
     between now and Sunday...
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: California makes history!

: Australians couldn't expect to see any changes in American
: Foreign policy or in their 'free-market' policies.....that really put a
: damper on things.

Why?

Steve Karlson
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wayward Pulpit
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              92 1:32 pm

> Eeeeehnt.  Thank you for playing.  I had one for ten years.  Then
> I shaved it off and now look younger than I did when I grew it.

Frank, you're kidding, right?  I just cannot picture you with one, hard
as I try.

> Although I will allow that Neal, Marty, Dan, ggs, Bill Sj. and
> a number of other male wordslers are bearded.  Still, I would
> hazard a guess that more are not.

I'd say they're about even.

> And this is not a circus.  No ladies need grow any beards unless
> they want to.

Thank you for your magnanimity.  I'll remain beardless.

rashmi
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Subject: Re: The Democrats and Me
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: Clinton needs to jog more - he's umm, chubby.

And getting chubbier as his lead widened, even though he'd been
taking the press with him on his jogs.  Symbolic of the bloated
government we can look forward to?  Foreshadowing a collapse while
jogging at Camp David.  The snow is still on the ground here and the
snowcover is thick in the Dakotas... could be a cold winter for his
inauguration.  I'm getting a nasty case of the deja vus all over
again.

Steve Karlson
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 6 Nov 1992 04:52:59 GMT
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In a previous article, TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild) says:

>>No Theresa, President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22nd, 1963.
>>
>>Carolyn
>
> Well, I was only 2 at the time, and I just can't remember that date!
>
I wasn't born until 1966, and can't remember anything before 1968.:-)
My mom heard it in school, I think.  She must have been teaching that
day.

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From: LEONARD%BCVMCMS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Rita Leonard 552-3403 (617))
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> I've always had the little problem of swapping the words "wedding" and
> "funeral." Now, once when I made the mistake of referring to some old guy's

> every time. My question is: Think it means anything?

> -abh

Anne,

I have no idea whether or not it means anything.  However, it doesn't
seem to be as bad as what one of my coworkers has done on more than
one occasion.  She confuses the receiving lines at weddings with the
ones you find at wakes.  Yes, she congratulates the bereaved family
and expresses her sadness to the newly married couple.

Rita L.
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285%VUVAXCOM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Bad News.

The following is reprinted in its entirety and without permission from
the newsletter of the Mystery Writers of America:

"From Kathleen L. Maio, Malden, Massachussetts: Starting with the
September 1992 issue, readers of _Wilson Library_ Bulletin will notice
that I am no longer writing the `Murder in Print` suspense review
column.  This is a column that I`ve been writing for the last nine
years.  And although it was my decision to quit, that decision was
forced upon me.  I would have liked to continue, but felt that I could
not, given recent events at the magazine.

"The June issue of WLB - the one normally distributed at the Americal
Library Association (ALA) Convention - contained a tongue-in-cheek
survey of librarians' attitudes toward sex by columnist Will Manley.
Although this survey was approved by the magazine's editor, and
published in Manley's regular "Facing the Public" column spot, it
somehow irritated the president of WLB's parent company, H. W. Wilson
Company.  Leo Weins demanded that Will Manley, a popular columnist at
the magazine for 12 years, be immediately `terminated.` When WLB
Editor Mary Jo Godwin refused to do so, Weins went over her head and
fired Manley.  Godwin did the only honorable thing and resigned.

"Mr. Weins then followed one outrage with one even worse.  He ordered
all existing copies of the magazine - including those to be
distributed at ALA - DESTROYED.  He was not able to prevent subscriber
copies (which had already been mailed) from reaching the public,
however.  I would invite anyone interested to take a look at the June
issue.  There are no four-letter words, no graphic descriptions of sex
acts, *nothing* in Manley`s column to outrage anyone with any open
mind and a sense of humor.

"Evidently, Mr. Weins is bereft of both.  It is his actions that
constitute outrage.  Censorship and the unfair firing of a talented
writer cannot be tolerated.  Not by me, anyway.  To continue writing
'Murder in Print' as if nothing had happened would be tantamount to
condoning Mr. Weins' *intolerable* actions.  I felt I had to resign in
protest, standing with Mr. Manley and Ms. Godwin.

"Since I wasn't given the opportunity to explain my resignation, I
hope you give me the chance to do so here.

"I want to get the word out about this disgrace.  The only way we can
fight censorship is to raise a stink every time we witness it.  We
must not be silent. We must not condone it.

"The toll-free number of Wilson is 1-800-367-6770, and their address
is 950 University Ave., Bronx NY 10452, should any MWA member wish to
register their own protest.

[Emphasis in original]

I urge members of r.a.b who feel strongly on the issue of censorship
to join in the protest.

Earl
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:26:00 EST
From:         "(Alec D. Plotkin)" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Put some malaise on that hoagy
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Although I know I spell awful and I should not talk, I believe the
proper spelling for a sandwich in a roll from Philly is a Hoagie.

later

alec
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: November 7

>The big question, though, is: Will we live to see Karlson liberated?

Dream the impossible dream, blomberg :-)

Steve Karlson

When my ship comes in, it will probably be an icebreaker.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: out of left field
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:12:53 GMT
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In a previous article, samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU () says:

>>out in left field/out of left field.  Odd; out of it.  Phrase used
>>                                      for that which is a bit off.
>
>Jeez. Till today I thought "out of left field" meant "unexpected".
>In fact, I have even said "from left field" to mean unexpected. Must
>have been making an ass of myself.
>
That, m'dear, is at least expected.

<ducks thrown Mirriam Webster>
Sorry, but that one was just *begging* for it....

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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:23:27 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Groundrules
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Interesting.  Is it just a coincidence that you're asking about 'dude'
at the same time as it's being discussed on alt.usage.english?

I can't believe though that someone who says 'repore' or 'segway' can
be a true a.u.e afficionado.

G
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Subject: Re: Tushar on the Ga
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:17:58 GMT
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>Well, if I ever get the issue out, the SEXTANT will probably cover
>the Homowo ground pretty well, in a liminal if not subliminal sense.
>Marty--the information you posted about stools clarified something
>else for me. Thanks.  (something potentially misleading in the
>article about "chiefly stools") You guys are amazing, as ever!
>  --Rod

When a chief takes on "chiefdom", it's called "enstoolment"...
parallel to being "enthroned"...one is "enstooled". I think
this is fairly widespread in parts of Africa, not just the Ga...

"Liminal" refers to threshhold. The period between clearing the
roads and the actual holiday, when no debts are to be contracted
or paid, etc, is the "threshhold" of the holiday.

"Subliminal" is "below the threshhold", below the limits, e.g.
subliminal suggestions are those we are not *aware* of hearing
or reading.

love, judith
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:08:50 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: origin of pidgin

>>           WOMAN wey i go
>>           SCHOOL na im go fit
>>           put hand for wetin we
>>           do for awa country
>
>Were the rest of you able to translate this to their satisfaction?

No. I am at least half responsible for the posting of this (talked
about it in Gallagher's Pub and didn't get any further than Neal's
guess that awa country is our country).

Neal, is the message right-justified? This is important since it
might be useful to know whether the breaks are grammatical or just
typographical.


>I'd also like to know why the term 'pidgin' is used for this?  What
>is the origin of 'pidgin' --

I have read that "pidgin" was how Chiese traders pronounced "business".
So their "business language" got called pidgin. Don't know whether this
is just folk etymology, though.

tushar
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Danger
Originator: rita@eff.org
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:26:04 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92111010465781@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM writes:

>I LIKE IT!  Flavors of Emacs!  Gnu Emacs vs MicroEmacs vs MG vs Freyja
>vs Gmacs vs Jove...WOW!  we could be at each others' throats for the
>next six months over that one.  Especially if there's some
>PlainVanilla VI users our there...

	Now you just wait one cotton-picking minute you poor excuse
for an editor ignoramus you.  *I* use plain old vanilla vi! (OK, so
I'm using emacs at the moment cuz I'm in news, but I use vi for
everything else).

Rita
Acting Locally




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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Keeping you guessing

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But it doesn't look as though she'll be joining Karen and Karsten and I around
Thanksgiving 8-(.                                                    ^^^

Emily
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(That's Karen, Karsten and *me*).

What would my students think? 8-(

Emily
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:29:10 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Stuffed Bunny in Wreck
              5 Nov 1992 07:15:31 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

Natalie,
  I think the point of the caption was that "stuffed bunnies that wear
seatbelts don't get hurt in crashes."  BTW, was the bunny pink and
wearing sunglasses?

Evelyn
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Assistance requested (semiotics)
Summary: reification/symbolification
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:56:10 GMT
Organization: independent scholar

Dear friends,

Kindly help with a serious question.  I need to answer the question
"Would you distinguish between symbolism and reification?  If so, how?"

Now, I could do this in straight, ordinary, plain English, but I fear
that there may be a hidden minefield in the question.  Is there some
discussion wrt to such a distinction, amongst the semiotics, post-
modernism, or deconstruction crowds?  If there is, it behooves me
to make myself aware of it pronto (the q has to be answered by Dec
first, and if I actually have to do some *thinking* I'll need all the
time I can get).

No, this is not some exam question, and I'm not trying to get others
to do my work for me.  Please be reasonable (Oy, I *knew* I was
going to regret this, but I have no-one else to ask, here in the
Wilderness).  

--bayla

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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: philosophy
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>  8-> (Is there a half-
>serious, half-ironic smiley?)
>                             b.c.

Try :-/

judith
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: When gods die
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>No, but I left part of me there. (Judith, is there a *maudlin* smiley?) b.c.

Ummmm...  :^^(   ?  Does that look like tears?

I don't keep the Compleat Smiley File in live storage...

love, judith
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
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              9 Nov 1992 12:30:39 EDT from <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:30:39 EDT Evelyn said:
>I see danger to this list and to this group of friends we call "words-l."
>This past weekend's posts scare me; I grew up in a family whose arguments

amen....amen....and hope by the time i get to this day's posts...
maybe next wekk.....  8-)

that it is over.

dan
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
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              5 Nov 1992 18:42:00 -0600 from <dorisann@TENET.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:42:00 -0600 Doris Smith said:
>The final decision was that he should do well in a golf pro shop.  As a
>librarian, are you familiar with this?  Wish I had heard more; it was
>"different," tstl.

huh?  am i familiar with golf pro shops?  no.
am i familiar with dan quayle?  no more than the rest of us.
what do i think he should do?  write sports for daddy's newspaper, perhaps
   the society sports page....covering local golf tournaments...

dan

(hey, at least i'm catching up....its very early wednesday and i'm reading
last thurs pm mail....and only 500 behind instead of 1000.....but still
reading by threads from time to time, and by chron usuually.
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From:         "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adventures in Democracy
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Posted on 4 Nov 1992 at 18:27:03 by Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)

>: Does anyone know how well Marrou and the Libertarians did?
>
>Evidently not well enough.  Detailed totals often come out in the
>Thursday editions of many newspapers.

This morning's Globe & Mail listed one "other" as winning a congress
seat.  Could that be anything other than a Libertarian ?

Tony H.
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Apology to Ruth
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:04:44 GMT


Don, maybe folks from the Tampa bay area know something we all don't,
but the Lightening, 'cause they're an expansion team, were assumed at
season's start to be the dregs. Somehow, they seem to have put a real
team together with some overlooked and under-rated players. Wish ESPN
would show them in a few games. Then there's san jose........

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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WHTMINYC Part 7, The Conclusion
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Anne Burton Harwell, you have shown me NYC! I thank you.  Many writers
have told me about it, but you *showed* me.  Well done.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      local big winners

The big winner in state referenda appears to be term limitations.
How many of those have passed?

Steve Karlson
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