From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: News from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:24:29 GMT

In article <93010.155342F66204@BARILVM.BITNET> Shaul Wallach <F66204@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:

# In article <1993Jan7.165622.12693@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
# makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >In article <29951@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
# >writes:

# ># In article <1993Jan6.184351.11245@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
# >aberman@cs.washington.edu (Andrew Berman) writes:

# >   ...
# ># ~I also heard no great outcry when a Montana teenager was sent to 30 years
# ># ~in prison for throwing stones at passing cars.   But I digress..

# ># I think you'd have heard an outcry if the teenager had simply been gunned   n
# >dow
# ># in the street. Can you say "Kent State"?

# >        Do you have ANY idea about what happened at kent State?
 
#      Kent State  -  yes  -  I was a freshman back then in May 1970
# when the students rioted after Nixon sent the GI's into Cambodia. I
# didn't remember the details but the World Almanac says enough. At
# Kent State the students burned down the ROTC building and then the
# National Guard was sent in. The next day the students attacked the
# soldiers with stones and, according to some reports, sniper fire
# from a rooftop. The soldiers fired into the crowd and killed 4
# students. The incident sparked both local and federal inquiries
# (perhaps you know what the conclusions were - I don't). Some of the
# students were charged with conspiracy to riot, of whom one was
# convicted and two pleaded guilty. There was an outcry immediately
# after the incident, and about 100,000 students took part in a
# protest demonstration in Washington the following weekend. But as
# best as I remember, public opinion was not wholly sympathetic
# towards the students, nor was it wholly sympathetic toward them
# in Grant Park during the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

	The question was not directed towards you, but to Jeremy who
obviously had no idea when he again decided to show how ignorant he
was.  At any rate, what you mention above about public opinion was due
to the honest reporting of what happened.  If Jeremy had been on the
spot, all the soldiers would have been hung.

#     Let's not forget that back then America was still a "law and order"
# country that had just gone through the trauma of the black rioting of the
# 1960's. Good old Mayor Daley of Chicago was famous (perhaps notorious)
# then for his orders to "shoot to kill" the rioters.

	Say what you want about Mayor Daley.  The fact remains that after
he issued the shoot to kill order, a funny thing happened.  In
Chicago, the rioting stoped.  It continued everywhere else, but not
Chicago (which is why I hold Mayor Bradley of Los Angeles guilty of
criminal negligence for not issuing similar orders during last year's
riots.

#      Kent State was not the only violent incident in the movement
# against the Vietnam War. Two students were killed later in a similar
# incident at Jackson State (?). I also remember a research worker being
# killed in a student bombing of a laboratory suspected of participation
# in research connected with the military.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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