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From: kola@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kurt Kolasinski)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:56:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.163910.15012@uwm.edu> klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark Bishop) writes:
>I'm a new subscriber to this newsgroup, and have a bunch of questions
>about industrial music.  
>
>Could someone please send me the latest FAQ list?  I'd greatly appreciate
>it.  Thanks.

	What kind of a considerate, net-ettiquette conscious fool are
you anyway?  God, if we get many more readers like you  the next thing
you know there will be no one left to flame NIN or say that Skinny Puppy
sucks.
	And I hope I don't have to explain that this comes with a
healthy dose of (((---:::!
Kurt Wolfgeng Kolasinski
Department of Chemistry		| kolasinski@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE
Stanford University 		| kola@leland.stanford.edu
From: carruthers@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Hey! Try this on Last Rights!
Date: 2 Apr 92 01:28:37 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <Adq8pE200Uh7I2Ohdb@andrew.cmu.edu>, jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua John Buergel) writes:
> Well, I tried this with my copy of the Capitol pressing, and it got back
> to -0:03 before it stopped cueing backwards.  Which means that there is
> still probably 36 second missing off of my disc.  Can any of the people
> with the Nettwerk disc tell me how much music there is before Ogre's
> voice kicks on on "Love In Vein"?  Thanks,

About 25 seconds.

Sean
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 11:04:02 CDT
From: <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: new ministry songs...
 <1992Apr6.191651.5718@bsu-ucs.uucp>

In article <1992Apr6.191651.5718@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00pjlynn@bsu-ucs.uucp says:
>
>In article <1992Apr6.164233.5710@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00pjlynn@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>> I was in sessions skate shop(chicago) and for some reason a guitar player
>> from revco was there.  He had a tape from the studio.
>> I heard four songs
>
>I just remembered the names of the songs
>they were
>N.W.O  (new world order)
>GET A FIX
>SCARECROW
>PSALM 69
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_
>|Patrick Lynn:
>|
>|         vax: 00pjlynn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
>|        uucp: 00pjlynn@bsu-ucs.uucp
>|      ultrix: godzilla@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
>|      bitnet: 00pjlynn@bsuvax1.bitnet


NWO, btw, is by Test Department

Bones

>|      "you can't take the pressure as your brain begins to boil"
>|                                       --slayer (angel of death)--
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From: bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: LURKER wants suggestions - Please!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:53:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.035315.13166
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)





I HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU, TRAVIS...


	1.  ONLY PUT YOUR .SIG FILE ON ONCE.
	    MORE THAN ONCE MAKES YOU LOOK SILLY.

	2.  BE CAREFUL NOT TO TYPE YOUR LINES OVER 80 CHARACTERS
	    OR YOU'LL END UP LIKE TOM FISCHER, FROM UIUC, WHO HAS
	    PLENTY OF "WELL-ADJUSTED BY SOCIETIES STANDARDS"
	    FRIENDS.

	3.  BUY ANYTHING YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON BY NON,
	    OR CATHY DENNIS.  I AM SURE YOU WILL LOVE THESE TWO
	    ARTISTS.  THEY ARE RELATED BY BLOOD.




HELPING AGAIN,
MATTHEW
-- 
                                            matthew neill sharp
                                    bp271@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: dippybir@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Jeremy Tolsma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 23:19:09 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

> In <3039@cs.rit.edu> djs6015@cs.rit.edu (a whiner) writes:
> 
> >In <4APR199204250849@zeus.tamu.edu> pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (another whiner) 
> writes:
> >>
> >>Why did Depeche Mode ruin this perfectly good classic?
> >>I mean, if they don't like guitars and Martin Gore wants to sing like
> >>an android why doesn't he go and do it on some trite little ballad of
> >>his own?
> >>
> 
> Is this supposed to be news?  Or are you making this announcement so that
> everyone knows just how kuul you are?  I'd really like to know the reason,
> because I'm sure that that your comment was meant to be really relevant to
> the state of industrial music, but we're all just too feeble to comprehend
> it.
 
Well maybe I can shed some insight in2 y a lot of people hold intense 
negative feelings 2ward groups such as Depeche Mode, and y they make excuse 
about hating them like 'They are only in it for cash, they sold out!' or 
'They are too popular!!'... these criticisms r excuses 4 having the 
real problem with popular music, which surfaces in criticisms such as 'They 
are wussy!'  and of course the ultimate explanation of y a popular band 
sucks:  'Teenage girls worship the band members!'.  These guys flaming 
Depeche Mode r sick of hearing how good looking the band members r from 
their girlfriends.  They insist that Depeche Mode posts dont belong in RMI 
becuz they r not industrial, which is the only debatable point they have, 
but their motives 4 wanting Depeche Mode off RMI r clearly jealousy/hate 
driven, NOT keeping RMI free all the terrible things in the world.  If they 
actually sat down & thought about Depeche Mode, they probably would come 2 
the conclusion that it is a good band, which makes some great songs, and 
that if people want 2 discuss it on RMI, its perfectly A-OKAY, because they 
would realize that it is GOOD when people get 2 talk about what they WANT 2 
talk about rather than being told NOT 2 talk about something.
 
u(
and as for 'please don't make me have 2 create a kill file!'... the only 
person making u do that is YOU, and if thats what it takes 2 make u feel 
comfortable with the universe, please make yourself create the killfile.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Marty D Weil <mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: re: PUPPY music
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:33:00 GMT



i remember hearing a bit of the "spasmolytic" bassline on what i think was
"lahuman8".  there's also this song that i keep hearing a sound/sample that
sounds like the jetson's cars.  is anyone getting that?  all in all, i really
like this disk.  can't get enough of that bluegrass-jamming sample in
"scrapyard".  BTW, has anyone noticed that the string-trill intro on
"reclamation" (last track) from TDP is from the Hellbound soundtrack?  that
is a must-get soundtrack.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: In Search Of: Soundtracks To An Imaginary Acid Western
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:36:40 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access Artists' Centre Toronto

>lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>>I'm looking for pointers to songs I can use to flesh out a compilation
>>tape I'm putting together of stuff that I'm calling "Acid Western" for
>>lack of a better term -- recent dance & alternative tracks that crib
>>heavily from spaghetti westerns.  Things like:
>
The Black Light Orchestra did a disco version of 'Once Upon A Time In
The West' (Morricone) in the mid 70's.

Devo did a muzak version of their own 'Girl U Want' in the early 80's.
It's on a CD called 'EZ Listenting Disc' (also on cassette available
only through the fan club).  The EZ version borrows tons of spaghetti
western motifs.  It's not quite musak, but it's not as heavy as the
original song either.

Devo's 'Come Back Jonee' (on the first album 'Are We Not Men?') has
a definite western ravioliness to it.

John Zorn's 'The Big Gundown' is an entire tribute to Ennio Morricone
done in Zorn's usual weird way.  Definitely NOT dance but alternative
for sure.

The Resident's 'Buckaroo Blues' is a homage to cowboy type things done
of course in their usual wacko way, although 'prettier' than most
of their other stuff but still alternative with a capital G.

This is stretching it a bit, but Yello's later stuff has a Spanish/
Mexican feel to it; some more than others.

ferenc



Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: atman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Thin Layer Of Pond Scum)
Subject: Make some noise, dammit.
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 06:15:29 GMT

youngd@cary113.its.rpi.edu (David P. Young) writes:
: I likewise live in a college dorm, and do you know what it's like to hear 
: "Smells Like Teen Sweat Socks After a Long Workout" played at over 400,000 
: decibels at 5 in the f*cking morning?! If you don't, well, you're missing a 
: major cultural experience, I'll tell ya.

Indeed.  The right to make noise exceeds the right to silence in any given
situation.

@Man


-- 
  atman@ecst.csuchico.edu  ||  What good is it if it doesn't distort?
  
  I have an idea for a flagpole.  I'd like to run it through the color 
  quantizer for any comments/suggestions.   -- almost Aaron Birenboim
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Name that tune ad infinitum
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:42:13 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

jlitchfi@descartes.waterloo.edu (Jon Litchfield) writes:

> Ok...I was at a club on Saturday, and i heard a cool tune I didn't recognize.
> I didn't think to ask the DJ until it was way too late so I'm going to ask 
> someone to ID it for me. It had a similiar dancy beat-huge guitar hook as
> KMFDM's "Virus", and the only lyrics I caught were 'One for the money, two fo
> the show, three get ready c'mon let's go'. That was a chorus, I think, as I 
> heard it a few times. Hmmm, come to think of it, Money is the new KMFDM album
> Did I hear the title track? I haven't heard the album yet.
> 
> -- 
> No man with a good bus pass needs to be justified...
> 
> jon litchfield
> jlitchfi@descartes.waterloo.edu


You heard the Title track... Money... KMFDM
s

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: clong@romulus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Name this Song! (NitzerEbb?)
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:34:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <29DE2CAC.21407@ics.uci.edu>, Brian K!z!K MacDonald writes:

>    Try Die Warzau "Land of the Free".  On the _Disco_Rigido_ CD.

A really nice live version appears on the _Never Again_ CD.

-Chris
From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: SRL show review   
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:59:04 PST

4/8/92
SURVIVAL RESEARCH LABS
San Francisco

I woke up at 7:30 today... very rare for me. Crawled into the shower
and drove into the city. Met my friend and took a bus down to the site
of the 11:02am planned SRL show. Quite a crowd. No where to stand/see
yet my video camera acted as my eyes.

Basically, from what I've seen in previous videos, this SRL show lacked
the amount of mayhem I was expecting to see. There were a few of the
more well known crawling type machines, yet the only machine there that
made any impact was the fire breathing shock cannon/mutilator/pulverizer/
<your name here>'izer... This piece of equipment most likely goes by a
proper name, yet I think the "shit dropper" is more appropriate as I'm sure
the suits that came for the museum opening dropped shit in their pants
once this puppy roared.

Our friendly shock cannon waltzed around, destroying the fabricated city
of metal/wood/plastic and aluminum siding as well as our ears, sternums and
lower intestines. Along with the explosions, there were growls of fire this
metal maniac made which brought warmth to my gizzard.

I had tried in vein to contact Mark about professionally recording their
show for them... none of this video tape shit... I'm talking about a
$4,000 portable DAT with a $3000 stereo mic. I hope someone there had
a DAT for this. Perhaps Mark will read this and get in touch with me for
next time...

Anyways, to continue, various structures were set afire and the swarmers,
which seemed to be 3 half metal garbage can sized throw pillows seemed to
get caught on each other and huddled next to me during the show...

There was most like more going on in various parts which we can all see at
the SRL Video/Lecture at Drug #6 on the 16th, so check that out.

I talked to a few friends who worked the show and some mentioned that it
was total xaos, others mentioned that there was more to do, yet the
Fire Marshall shut the show down prematurely... around 30 minutes prematurely.
If this is so, I hope SRL reschedules... perhaps up here in Marin would
be better... yea... at the Muni-Court area in San Rafael... what the
hell.. there's enough room and the ducks won't mind...

<X>orcist
From: hsgo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (howard s goodman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Clan of Xymox (was: Xymox-need discography for 12"/b sides)
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:57:34 GMT
Reply-To: <1992Apr7.030427.3724@gw.wmich.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article 8037 of rec.music.industrial, 474mcwilliam@gw.wmich.edu writes:

> I'm trying to track down everything that's every been released by Clan of
> Xymox.

I shall ignore the post-4AD period of Twist of Shadows and the like, and just
list those records which were released on 4AD.

By Clan of Xymox:

27.05.85	Clan of Xymox					lp	CAD 503
14.06.85	A day / Stranger 			remixes 12''	BAD 504
24.11.86	Medusa						lp	CAD 613

By Pieter Nooten (and Michael Brook):

c. 11.87	Sleeps with the Fishes				lp	CAD 710

By Xymox:

c. 11.87	Blind hearts / A million things / Scum		12''	BAD 711

Also there was the mysterious `Subsequent Pleasures' mini-lp, about which i
know nothing except that it was limited to 500 copies, and was only available
in the Netherlands.  This dates from some time between 1981 and 1985.

There were also two sessions for the John Peel programme -- first broadcast
dates and track listings are as follows:

17.06.85	Stranger / Muscoviet mosquito / 7th time
13.11.85	After the call / Agonised by love / Mesmerised

The first session was recorded after the Clan of Xymox lp, and therefore has
later versions of `Stranger' and `7th time' -- these are more refined than the
lp versions, and (in my opinion) are vastly better.  The second session,
conversely, was recorded long before Medusa, and does not suffer from its
excessive This Mortal Coil -esque production: the early versions of `After the
call' and `Agonised by love' are _wonderful_, and `Mesmerised', which is an
early version of `Medusa', is very charming.  Unfortunately, these sessions
have never been released on record, and so i continue to wear out my bootleg
tape of them ...

The Pieter Nooten lp, incidentally, includes versions of `Theme I' (entitled
`Clouds', and with words) and `Equal ways', and yet another version of
`After the call'.

Finally, for completeness, i should mention the compilation lp/video, which
includes the later version of `Muscoviet mosquito':

c. 06.87	Lonely is an Eyesore		    compilation	lp  CAD/VAD 703

All of the records with catalogue numbers CAD xxx are available on CD, with
catalogue numbers CAD xxx CD.  CAD 503 CD also includes the remixes of `A day'
and `Stranger'; the tracks of BAD 711 are not available on CD, although vile
new versions of `Blind hearts' and `A million things' are included in the
polydor lp Twist of Shadows.

That, i think, is all ...

(Shouldn't discussion about Clan of Xymox be cross-posted to the goth/goff
newsgroup?)

-- 
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						     ... howard s goodman
							 hsgo@warwick.dcs.ac.uk
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From: dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (S. Fritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: BACK and FORTH
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:26:53 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

 
and NOW..  a NEW skinny puppy topic..
 
or OLD rather..  the original skinny puppy release "Back and
Forth" which is mostly Bites
 
there are, in fact, only 20 existing copies
 
but for those of you that want every last skinny puppy song
there is at least one bonus song "Canine" and maybe "Centre
Bullet" i cannot remember clearly right now..
 
you are in LUCK..
 
nettwerk productions is RE-RELEASING Back and Forth
 
more information on this quite likely to appear later..
 
dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.canada
(DSXMCHNA)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Trisomie 21
X-To: ALL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:46:00 GMT

Hey.  Recently, someone posted a query about Trisomie 21, asking for any
info that might be out there, and a discography.  Well, if the interest
is out there, I'd be willing to compile a T21 discog similar to the
Puppy, Ministry, LPD and Foetus discogs that I recently posted (and will
soon be reposting, so don't bug me with e-mail regarding them!).  I own
most of the T21 stuff that I know about... actually, my fiancee owns
most of it, but our collections are consolidated (heh.) into one, so
close enough!

So, if anyone cares, I'll do one up.  No problem.  Just e-mail me or
follow-up this posting or something.

Oh, yeah, for those who may be wondering "who the HELL is Trisomie
21?"... they're a little known, but quite good, and quite prolific band
from France.  They have a moody, atmospheric sound that borrows from
many places (such as Joy Division/early New Order, "Faith"-era Cure, and
(label-mates) LPDs) but still comes out sounding pretty original.  Early
material is sung pretty much exclusively in French, with later material
moving into English... however, the vocals/lyrics tend to be pretty
minimal, and remind me of Kraftwerk at times for some reason.  As you
might have guessed, they're not "industrial" in the purest sense, but
they have elements in their music that would make them not unwelcome
here in RMI.


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From: kevinb@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Kevin Busby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Severed Heads
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:37:26 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <31134@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, by awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford):

> interested in stuff that sells. However Tom seems quite happy with the way
> Nettwerk are treating him (letting them use another producer seems a fair
> compromise for keeping him on the label).

Any ideas why they want to use another producer? Tom always does a good job.

> Which, the demise of SH safely averted, leads us with an interesting
> question. Just who will be doing the production of the future SH material?
> A bit back my money would have been on it being "Rave" due to Tom's links
> with the Puppies, but with SP flying the Nettwerk coop, I guess it'll be
> someone else. Valcic? Reely?

Whatever happened to Topsy Ke-Evil? :-)
From: mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Skoda)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Intermix (was Re: Some reviews: inlc Merzbow & Bigod 20)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:08:36 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:

> 
> BTW - an Intermix related question - has the "Dream On" single been
> released on CD in the US? Over here in the UK we got the self-titled album,
> which was only released on CD, and a 2-track (neither track on the album)
> 12" single with "Dream On" as the A-side but which *wasn't* released as a
> CD single. Is the situation any different anywhere else? I was personally
> somewhat pissed off at it's non-availability on CD, since I try not to buy
> vinyl if at all possible.
> 
> --
> 		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
>        "Breakdown. Splinter. A thousand fragments disperse and die."


	Oh go ahead buy vinyl. It's cheaper. And I've not ever heard of a
"single" off of the Intermix album. Well, at least not in the United States.
I can check up on this Monday at the radio station when we do our dealings
with the lables. I know we haven't received such a single...yet.


mike
mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: garncarz@fraser.sfu.ca (dAREK G.)
Subject: xorcist
Summary: i dont seem to be able to reply to your newest mail !!!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:26:19 GMT

this messege is to xorcist ....

i cant reply to your mail ... i noticed you changed your address, my mailer
does NOT know how to mail to addresses with a !.. the only way i know of
replying to you is by using the reply command on my mailer....here is
the messege i've been trying to send all morning !!!


aargh.. our mailer is possessed...it does not recognize your address...
this is the 4th time i'm re writing your messege...here we go
i'm also writing this messege through the nn board ( the mega messege base ).

ah.. we have a copy of the Torture tech Overdrive vinyl, the damned souls cd
and im sure i've seen from the hip somewhere ( it may have "vanished" )..
we dont have the gpc or futureshock tape...

it'd be damn nice if you could send me a copy of damned souls cd for my 
personal listening pleasure ( its so damn hard to find up here )

finally, where did you get the picutre on the cover of damned souls from ?

in case you missed it , here's my address

dAREK Garncarz
#304-116 E 18th Street,
North Vancouver, B.C.,
V7L 2X5
CANADA

later,

dAREK