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From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Arthur Rimbaud, where are you?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:06:06 GMT

In article <Brennan.J.Murphy.53-121092211134@129.74.199.152> Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu (BRennan Murphy) writes:
>Has anybody seen Arthur Rimbuad lately?  I need tyo find him mbecause I am
>doing a report of sorts on his sordid self.  If you know where that
>Atheist, Drug-running, coffe salesman is, please tell him to send me some
>instructions on how to interpret his letter to Paul Demeny.  Tell him I
>need to know what his notion of Poetry was.  If he has email, tell him to
>send his address.
>Yer a Pal,
>brennan

Well, I asked him where he was these days.  First, he ranted on about
people misspelling his name, and calling him sordid.  Finally, when I
insisted, he said:

   Par les soirs d'e'te', j'irai dans les sentiers, . . .
   Et j'irai loin, bien loin, comme un bohe'mien,
   Par la nature, - heureux comme avec une femme.

But can you be more specific?

  C'est un trou de verdure ou` chante une rivie`re . . .

And finally,

  Je me crois en enfer, donc j'y suis.

Then he would say no more.

Well, I doubt any of those places is connected to the Internet, so I
guess you're out of luck - you'll just have to find your own answers to
your questions.

In the meantime, it had been too long since I read Rimbaud - I think
I'll go spend some time with him again . . .

Le Rhealiste - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Parlant pour moi-meme
From: Alan_Barclay@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Barclay)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Managing Notes
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:37:54 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I keep track of notes with file folders.  I have one for each current
project plus others with titles like "Names", "Characters", "Story Ideas",
"Technology", etc.

I find notemaking is part of the creative process.  I throw out a lot of
scrap paper.  This is one process I do with pen and paper.  I find I have to
be able to doodle and draw connecting lines in order to think things
through.  Also, I want to be able to jot something down when I think of it.
For these reasons, I don't use my computer much when making these sort of
notes.
                                                                  I do use a
program for collecting notes, quotes, etc. that I get from
downloads.  It's called Lotus Agenda.  It is an inverted database
where one can enter data first, then assign categories to each piece of data
whenever one feels like it.  You can then view all data in a particular
category, etc.  It's quite flexible, and has a lot of interesting
possibilities.  Unfortunately, the manual manages to obscure and complicate
an essentially simple program--but that seems to be a standard for most
business software.
--
Alan Barclay


alan_barclay@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: misc.writing,news.answers
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Managing Notes
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:29:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct12.182933.8475
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

>What is Lotus Agenda? Is it a PIM? ...

For those of you lost in the jargon, "PIM"s (mentioned here more than
once) are packages designed for Personal Information Management.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "Methinks you have a buzzword in your ear, and can't find a Q-tip."
                     --Blair P. Houghton
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: Managing Notes
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:28:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.012944.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> rockwood@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>For those of us using IBM's (or clones) there's another 
>indespensible program that I;ve been using for the past several years as a 
>note-taker, database, memopad, reminder, etc.
>The program is called Memory Mate, and it's by Broderbund. Cost in Canada 
>was in the order of 75 bucks, and worth every penny.

Another program that performs a similar function is InfoSelect.  I use
the earlier version, Tornado Notes, and find it to be very useful.

Have fun, Dan
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Interviewing Technique
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:56:31 GMT

   I'd like to improve my interviewing technique.  Can anyone
recommend any articles, books, or classes they have found useful?

Thanks, Dan
From: miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Notes for writing
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:29:43 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

> What I like to know is, do you keep notes? And if so, how do you organize
> your notes?
> 

Well I carry a note book and pen with my at all times, just
in case inspiration should strike at the most unlikely
or inconvinent time (good odds!).

I do this in either point form, or prose, depending on
the mood of the moment.  If the idea has really grapped
me then I move it on to disk later that night, where it
might sit there for a couple of months before it is
ready for expansion or to be incorporated with another
idea.  I never throw out the original in the notebook
until it has been used is some way - too easy to lose
on disck I suppose.

I find it really easy to incorporate serveral ideas,
or simply work on one on the PC.

Morgana
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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu (BRennan Murphy)
Subject: Arthur Rimbaud, where are you?
Followup-To: misc.writing
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:11:43 GMT

Has anybody seen Arthur Rimbuad lately?  I need tyo find him mbecause I am
doing a report of sorts on his sordid self.  If you know where that
Atheist, Drug-running, coffe salesman is, please tell him to send me some
instructions on how to interpret his letter to Paul Demeny.  Tell him I
need to know what his notion of Poetry was.  If he has email, tell him to
send his address.
Yer a Pal,
brennan
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Arthur Rimbaud, where are you?
Summary: SOLVED!
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:56:42 GMT

Don't you people pay any attention to popular media?  Rimbaud is in Hollywood,
cruising with Eddy.

Newsgroups: misc.writing,comp.text,comp.text.desktop,comp.text.frame,comp.text.interleaf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,tx.general,dfw.general
From: aba@hp835.mitek.com (Binion Amerson)
Subject: Visit STC Lone Star Chapter Booth 4006 at NetWorld 92 Dallas
Keywords: STC, technical communication 
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:17:39 GMT

                   ATTENTION  TECHNICAL  COMMUNICATORS


                                The
                          Lone Star Chapter
                               of the 
               Society for Technical Communication (STC)
                        invites you to visit

                            Booth 4006

                                at
                        NetWorld '92 Dallas
                       October 13 - 15, 1992
                      Dallas Convention Center


Binion Amerson
General Manager
40th STC Annual Conference
-- 
 Binion Amerson, Senior Technical Writer, OpenConnect Systems, Inc., 2711 
 LBJ Freeway, Suite 800, Dallas, TX 75234; 214/888-0447; aba@hp835.oc.com
 General Manager: 40th STC Annual Conference, June 6-10, 1993, Dallas, TX
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: rockwood@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Managing Notes
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:59:44 GMT

It seems that most writers here are using the Mac for a lot of writing and 
note-taking. For those of us using IBM's (or clones) there's another 
indespensible program that I;ve been using for the past several years as a 
note-taker, database, memopad, reminder, etc.
The program is called Memory Mate, and it's by Broderbund. Cost in Canada 
was in the order of 75 bucks, and worth every penny.
The secret to Memory Mate is that it's a Free-form database. You can create 
as many Databases as you want, then enter thousands of records. Although 
you can structure the Database into fields I find it's better to just type 
in the information and call it up when you need it. You don't have to index 
anything. It'll recognize any search you ask it to do. I've even created a 
database of Recipes extracted from rec.food.cooking (about 1300 of them), 
then when I want a recipe for some specific meal I can get it easily. Or 
let's say I have chicken and tomatoes and green pepper and I want to cook 
something for dinner with those ingredients. I merely ask it to search for 
'chicken and tomatoes and green peppers' and it gives me every recipe which 
would fit the bill.
What makes Memory mate especially appealing is the fact that it's a TSR. 
When you install it you can add it as a TSR in your autoexec.bat file, then 
if you happen to be in Word Perfect and you need some info for a piece 
you're writing just hit 'Alt-Z' and you're in. 
Memory Mate is a DOS program, and I asked Broderbund just last week if they 
were planning a Windows version of it. They replied that at the moment they 
weren't, but would add my comments to the others who had called requesting 
a Windows version.
Memory Mate is definitely one of the very best programs I've ever used. I 
was so impressed with it that I recommended it be used by several 
departments of the company I work for. The suggestion was taken and Memory 
Mate has proven to be one of the most used programs we have.
On a scale of 10 it's a 10+.
By the way....anyone out there familiar with Info-Select? As Broderbund 
isn't planning a Windows version of MM, I'm looking for a Windows program 
into which I can import the MemoryMate data. 
ArtRockwood
St. John's NF Canada
From: preddy@comphy.physics.orst.edu
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: _It_ as subject
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:14:20 GMT
Reply-To: preddy@comphy.UUCP ()
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research, NY

"...It is easy enough to say that man is immortal simply because
he will endure:  then when the last ding-dong of doom has clanged
and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last
red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more
sound:  that of his puny inexhaustible voice still talking. ... It 
is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by 
reminding him of courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion 
and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. ..."

                       - William Faulkner  


"... It smelled of hides and tan bark and the big piles of sawdust.  
It was getting dark as we came in, and now that it was dark it was 
cold and the puddles of water in the road were freezing at the 
edges. ..."

                       - Ernest Hemingway


" ... It belonged to a gentle ne'er-do-well, who did nothing all 
day long but drink bathtub gin in rickeys and play solitaire and 
smile to himself and talk to his animals. ... "

                       - Jean Stafford


" ... It is now necessary to warn the writer that his concern 
for the reader must be pure:  he must sympathize with the reader's 
plight (most readers are in trouble half the time) but never 
seek to know his wants. ... "

                       - William Strunk and E. B. White



(Apologizes to publishers for unauthorized use of quotes)
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Notes for writing
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:00:43 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

macgyver@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (MacGyver) writes:

>I've been keeping notes of ideas, plots, & characters that come to me
>during brain storm, or writing. But the notebook I keep is generally
>very disorganized.

I wrote a simple database on the Mac. A title field, a text field, a few
keywords (plotline, character sketch, idea fragment, setting). I put in what
I have, and can either browse through looking for nuggets or do keyword
searches looking for specific things. The more complex you make it, the less
likely you are to use it and the harder it is to get stuff back out (and the
more time you spend filing, meaning you spend less time writing). 

My next addition will be a box in which I can toss photocopies of stuff or
articles cut out of magazines, or other non-electronic things or interest
that I can occasionally browse through and see if I can make use of. 

-- 
Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX) =+= Member, SFWA
  chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ =+= Editor, OtherRealms
From: Alan_Barclay@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Barclay)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Managing Notes
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:34:44 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

PIM?  Oh! Another posting tells me this means a Personal Information Manager.
I believe Agenda does market itself for that use, but it is far more flexible
than most PIMs (and requires more setup to use as one).  As I said, the best
description of Agenda is an inverted database: one can enter data scraps from
the keyboard or from textfiles.  The data exists as an entity in the
"database" which you can attach properties to.  You can create views to look
at data with given properties.  One neat feature is that once a property is
defined, any new data scraps will be automatically attributed that property
if the scrap contains one of the property's keywords.  Thus the property
"computer" would be assigned to any enter containing the word "computer."

I find agenda useful for storing scraps of information in a sort of freeform
style.

As a side note, Lotus has trouble marketing the program because it is not
easily categorized.  One has to use it to appreciate it.

--
Alan


alan_barclay@mindlink.bc.ca

"Advertising and propoganda... pretend to address themselves seriously to a
subliminal audience of cretins, an audience that may not even exist, but
which is assumed to be simple-minded enough to accept at their face value the
statements made about the purity of a soap or a government's motives.."

                                                -No
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Notes for writing
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:53:50 GMT

chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:

> macgyver@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (MacGyver) writes:
> 
> >I've been keeping notes of ideas, plots, & characters that come to me
> >during brain storm, or writing. But the notebook I keep is generally
> >very disorganized.
> 
> I wrote a simple database on the Mac. A title field, a text field, a few
> keywords (plotline, character sketch, idea fragment, setting). I put in what
> I have, and can either browse through looking for nuggets or do keyword
> searches looking for specific things. The more complex you make it, the less
> likely you are to use it and the harder it is to get stuff back out (and the
> more time you spend filing, meaning you spend less time writing). 

Aren't there some PIMs written for DOS PCs that do much the same
thing?  I've seen ads for them in PC Magazine.

That Mac program, ThoughtPattern from Bananafish, sounds
interesting. What is it? Is it a PIM or was it written
specifically to help you think or write (as the name suggests)?
What are writers using? Isn't writing more like managing a project
than scheduling things (which is what PIMs were originally
designed to do, I think)?

--
Richard Carlson
Internet:              rc@depsych.gwinnett.COM
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From: David.B.Haseman@dartmouth.edu (David B. Haseman)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Teaching writing
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:43:17 GMT
 <1audkqINN2sm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I agree with Bonita.  I work with students and instructors all the time
and it is always an amazement for me to see capable teachers who cannot
do well that which they teach.  On the other hand some of the best
radiologists I work with have no insight as to why they are so good at
it.  As I said, a constant amazement
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: NEWSGROUP: Need FAQ maintainer
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:49:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

"Congratulate me, gentlemen, I've found a volunteer!"

Laurie Sefton (lsefton@netcom.netcom.com) has agreed
to take over the FAQ.  Her offer arrived first;
thanks to all the misc.writers who were willing.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: finding time to write
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:02:04 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <alberti.719179246@staff.tc.umn.edu>, alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Theresa J Alberti) writes:
> In <1992Oct15.141507.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> 
> >In article <BvvHr0.7G2@unx.sas.com>, sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn) writes:
> >> How much time do you spend writing per week?
> >> How do you find the time? 
> 
> I'm a stay at home mother of twin one-year olds.  My writing time now is  
> limited to nap times, and luckily they have three hour naps in the afternoon
> still.  The hard part is not frittering away the time-- housecleaning, laundry,
> reading the mail.  I'm still working on that one.
> 
> One thing that amazes me is that I was able to get any writing done at all
> LAST year.  Then my two babes weren't on any kind of schedual, and it was rare
> that they'd sleep at the same time during the day.  I had them sleep in their
> play pen in the living room and my husband set up the Mac on our dining room
> table, and I had to learn to write in 10 minute intervals.  Granted I didn't
> get a lot of writing done back then, but I still did it.  Even managed to 
> win a local writing contest.             
> 
> You just have to make up your mind that writing is important and fit it into
> your life.  There is always time.  just think of how much time you waste
> (watching TV, for instance).  You have to want it bad.

Sometimes wanting it bad isn't enough.  I'm a single working mother of a 
one year old (not twins, thank god!)  The month before last I was able to
spend four hours in a month writing and I thought I had finally turned the
corner.  Then this month I got an inner ear infection and haven't written
at all.  Since I'm at work during her naptime, the only time I get to 
myself is between 9 and 10 at night, after she goes to bed and before I
do, and also my lunch hours at work.  Unfortunately, a minimum amount
of laundry, housecleaning, and shopping has to compete for that time.
If I could give up reading the net, then I could clear up an hour or three
a week, but it's such a pleasure for me I'm reluctant to do that.

The really annoying thing about this is that I sold my first story when
I was pregnant and it was an honorable mention in Ellen Datlow's Best of
the Year Anthology.  I know that several different editors liked the story.
It's so frustrating after so many years of hard work that I can't build
on a success.  Five hours of writing a month is the most I can see myself
doing for a while and it's going to take me so long to even submit another
short story at that rate.  It's hard to get started knowing how long it's
going to take to finish.

Dawn (grumpy, depressed, and irritable.  But impressed that you've managed
so well.)
"Oh, Time!  Of all the dwellers here below 
You only elevate buffoons or fools,
Or him whose anus as an inkstand serves."
The Perfumed Garden of the Shaykh Nefzawl, translated by Sir Richard F. Burton
From: saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com (Len Olszewski)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Semantics of "to be"
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:24:08 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com


In article <1992Oct8.103255.1079@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling) writes:
|> In article <BvpDK2.2wF@unx.sas.com> sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <16047@mindlink.bc.ca>, Alan_Barclay@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Barclay) writes:
|> >|"There was a cat on the table"
|> >|
|> >|vs.
|> >|
|> >|"The cat sprawled on the table."
|> >|
|> >|Notice that the first sentence is passive and the second, active.  "Was" is
|> >|an element in many passive constructions.  For that reason alone, hunting and
|> >|rewriting is a good idea.  (P.S. could I write this paragraph without using
|> >|"is?" :) )
|> >
|> >Just to pick a nit or two, the first sentence may suffer from vagueness
|> >and the lack of a decent subject, but it does not use the passive
|> >voice.  Let's not confuse "passive" in the grammatical sense with mere
|> >flabbiness of the prose.  The sentence would be less flabby if it read
|>
|> Hmmm, so what exactly is passive voice then? Am I right in thinking it
|> is a sentence without a subject?
|>
|> My only interest in the difference stems from the time I used to read
|> and write science papers (yawn).
|> Sometimes you would see things like:
|>
|> We performed the following experiment (active?)
|>
|> or
|>
|> The following experiment was performed (passive?)
|>
|> To me the 2nd sentence sounds horrible and is the sort of thing
|> guaranteed to send you to sleep before the end of the abstract.
|>
|> Anyone who can give me a definition of passive?
|>
|> Nigel

In grammar, voice indicates the relation of the subject to the action of 
the verb. When the verb is in the active voice, the subject acts; when 
it is in the passive voice, the subject is acted upon. 

Your delineation of the two sentences above as active and passive 
respectively was correct. You've got it, I'd say.
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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Re: Beginning Writing Books
Keywords: writing book
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:02:02 GMT

My favorite, which is obscure enough that it's unlikely to be in the FAQ
for this group (there IS one, isn't there?) is Sheridan Baker's book
"The Practical Stylist."  Not only is it a fine guide to constructing
sentences, paragraphs, etc., but it has also been around long enough
that you can often find it at a very low price in used bookstores.

Speaking of the FAQ, if there is one, why don't I see it in news.answers?

--Diane

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)