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From:         Tom Gray <tgray@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      --Hohmeyer Affirms Social Costs

dasher@well.sf.ca.us (Anton Sherwood) writes

 > /* ---------- "--Hohmeyer Affirms Social Costs" ---------- */
 > In article <9211301707.AA24530@igc.apc.org> Tom Gray <tgray@IGC.APC.ORG> writ
es:
 > >/* Written  9:03 am  Nov 30, 1992 by tgray@igc.apc.org in igc:en.energy */
 > >HOHMEYER REAFFIRMS VIEW
 > >ON SOCIAL COSTS
 > >
 > >The amount of solar energy reaching the Earth each year and that is
 > >recoverable for use has been estimated by one expert at about 1,000
 > >terawatts (TW), Hohmeyer said, and only about 70 TW of that would
 > >be required to supply current world energy demand.
 >
 > So, we need only cover 7% of the globe with solar collectors.  Is Hohmeyer
 > counting the oceans?  If so, that becomes about 27% of the land....

No, this is not correct.  The solar energy reaching the Earth is
concentrated in a number of ways, including wind energy, hydro, and
biomass, that would not require physically covering the ground with solar
collectors.  I have not seen an estimate of the amount of land that would
be required, but I am certain it is well below 7%.

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Reply-To:     Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET>
From:         Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ozone meditation

>I think we can sit around and meditate until we're blue in the face, while
>the industrial interests who profit by manufacturing CFCs and their family
>of compounds...and the appliances and equipment that use them...continue
>to profit off the destruction of the ozone layer.  (This argument applies
>to other technologies and their corporate member profiteers.)
>
>And, they'll thank us for sitting around and doing so.
>
>Rick Freeman
>Missoula, MT
>jeanbob@selway.umt.edu

I agree wholeheartedly.  I wanted to put in an additional 2
cents, though:  I think we can do both.  I am very active in
working in the legal system for environmental protection and
improvement, BUT I also meditate at home for planetary healing
and teach my 6-year-old to do the same (both external and
internal activism, so to speak).  I am skeptical of airy-fairy,
new-age meditative solutions to our problems, but I do believe
that meditation has value, if only to change _yourself_.

It doesn't seem to cut into the time I have to spend for external
activism.

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From:         Dan <JOHNSON@ABRSLE.AGR.CA>
Subject:      disappearing derivatives

(sorry - the '2' didn't come out on my acceleration.  It is still an
acceleration, although I suppose we could meditate it into a velocity
but that would be more complicated.)
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From:         Rumen with a View <RODE@ABRSLE.AGR.CA>
Subject:      Ozone meditation healing plan

Education/awareness is one thing, but meditative healing ?

If we are such a relatively insignificant (not unimportant) piece of this place
we call earth, what makes folks think they can meditate the problem away ?
This is pretty omnipotent thinking.  You can't have it both ways.
From: parson_r@cubldr.colorado.edu (Robert Parson)
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Date: 18 Dec 92 02:40:18 GMT
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In article <1992Dec17.192016.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, I wrote:
> 
>  No, only the occasional _explosive_ eruption with a Volcanoc Explosivity
>  Index (VEI) greater than 4 (this is a sort of Richter scale for volcanic
>  eruptions) injects its gases into the stratosphere. These occur about
>  once every 10 years. Jan Schloerer posted my figures for the two most
>  recent such eruptions, El Cichon and Pinatubo, last night. To repeat,
>  El Cichon put out 0.04 Mt, and Pinatubo < 0.02 Mt.  Low grade sizzlers
>  like Kilauea (VEI 1) or Erebus (VEI 1-2) don't amount to much.
> 
 I garbled that - sorry. VEI ~4 occurs a little less than once per year. 
 The top of the cloud can pierce the stratosphere and put a little chlorine
 in, which can drift up to the ozone layer, but no one has ever measured
 a significant chlorine increase after an eruption like this. It's VEI >5
 that blasts right into the ozone layer, and these come about once a decade.
 (The scale is logarithmic. Krakatau was a 6, and Tambora in 1816 was a 7, 
  the only one in recorded history).
 
 Robert
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From:         "Barry Leiba,
              Watson Host Distributed Systems" <leiba@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      erasing directories
              11 Dec 1992 12:36:20 MST <9212111938.AA15406@leiba.watson.ibm.com>

Have you got PR*FS?  Look for "ERASE EXEC *".

Barry Leiba
Watson Host Distributed Systems
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From:         Tim Reading <A19592@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>
Subject:      erasing directories

How come when I erase a directory I get the error:
DMSSTT054E Incomplete fileid specified

For example I have a subdirectory called .EXECS
I erased it with the command:  ERASE .EXECS

I get the DMSSTT054E error, but the directory is still erased.

Any ideas?

Tim Reading
Motorola, Inc.
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Subject:      operator commands
              16 Dec 1992 14:24:28 MST <9212162128.AA04867@leiba.watson.ibm.com>

You can have VMSCHEDULE schedule something for another user, which isn't
logged on.  Make user the secondary console for your SFS server (on the
server's CONSOLE statement in the CP directory).  It can then use the CP
SEND command to send an SFS console command to the SFS server.

Barry Leiba
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From:         Tim Reading <A19592@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>
Subject:      operator commands

I have a couple questions about operator commands.

1. How do I start filepool processing with 'AUDIT ON PARTIAL'.

   I tried stacking 'audit on partial' in the profile exec of the
   filepool service machine but that didn't work.

2. SFS is still in test mode at my site, but soon it will be available
   24 hours a day.  The CMS Planning and Admin guide suggests issuing
   the BACKUP operator command in multiple user mode if you have to
   run 24 hours a day  to backup the control data.

   My question is how can I schedule this to occur daily?  We have
   System Center's vmschedul, but that doesn't work if the service
   machine is already logged on (which it will be.)

If either of my questions are answered in some manual, please let
me know which one.  Thanks.

Tim Reading
Motorola, Inc.
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From:         "Stephen L. Arnold" <ARNOLD@ARNOLD.COM>
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> New tag in DOMAIN NAMES:
>
> :mformat. - Automatically extracted from BITEARN NODES, serversN tag.
> If the value is null, or PU, no mformat tag will be generated.  Any
> other value, will cause an :mformat tag to be generated. The :mformat
> tag will appear at the end of the :nick line, after the :served
> tag, if one exists.
>
> Examples:
>
> :nick.JOINER.COM :mailer.MAILER@JOINER  BSMTP  3 :served.YES :mformat.ND
> :nick..SE        :mailer.MAILER@SEARN   BSMTP  3  :mformat.ND PU
>
> No manual updates will be accepted to the :mformat tag.  Users wishing
> to update their :mformat tag, should update their :serversN tag
> in BITEARN NODES.  DOMAIN NAMES will from now on be distributed
> after BITEARN NODES is updated so as to collect the latest changes
> to the :serversN tag.
> ...
> An updated DOMAIN GUIDE is being sent to BITNIC for distribution.

(Just returning from eight days away from the office, at the DECUS
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Excellent.  I will update the new editions of the BITNET Postmaster's
Guide to reflect this change.

Steve
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From:         Vicki Brown <vlb@CFCL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Signing

Vicki Brown     Post Office Box 1269,  San Bruno, CA  94066  USA
vlb@cfcl.COM    +1 415 873 7842

Chris Prince (chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu) asked:
>I would like to know how many people (deaf and hearing) sign when they talk
>even if it is with someone who doesn't understand. Of course, this questions
>is addressed to those of you who know how to sign.
>
>I ask this, because the other day I was sign parts of what I was saying, and
>someone made a wise crack about it.  And it accured to me that maybe I'm not
>the only one that does that.

I don't do it a lot, and I don't exactly sign while I talk (I don't generally
talk while I sign either; my brain doesn't do that sort of multi-tasking well)
but I do find myself signing occasional "words" in my regular spoken
conversations.  I think it's like people who know any other "non-native"
(aka foreign :-) language occasionally throwing in a word in that language
that expresses the thought better than English.  IMHO it shows you've actually
been learning the language, when you use it without thinking about it.

I have a (hearing) friend who has *really* studied ASL - she did 2 yrs of
graduate work at Galludet.  She tends to sign a lot without really thinking
about it.  (Oh, I wish she wasn't 2500 miles away.  sigh)

Anyway, Chris, don't worry about it!  Just keep practicing and I hope you find
more people to "talk" to.  Maybe the person who made the wise crack should take
an ASL course and then s/he would understand you better ;-)
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From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
Subject: Re: Deaf issues
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:59:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.101422.7235@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.154307.20337@u.washington.edu> chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince) writes:
>>In article <01GS9VP6I90490QO66@northeastern.edu> ELG@NORTHEASTERN.EDU writes:
>>>Hi, please sign me up for Deaf issues. Thanks.
>>>
>>>Elijah Gold
>>
>>Wow, what is this signing  up thingy?
>
>apparently, most of the people on this forum are receiving
>articles as part of a mailing list, while the rest of us
>read this as a newsgroup (sent via NNTP).  i read this
>with my standard-issue newsreader, rn.
>
>-teddy

Yeah....me too!

Chris :)

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From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
Subject: Re: Deaf/Hearing?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:22:31 GMT

>    What I have noticed with the Deaf, is that you are readily excepted or
>    you are just ignored or forgotten.
>
>Perhaps you can spend more time with the Deaf people who readily
>accept you.  Or look for Deaf people who share other common interests
>with you.

 Unfortuately I haven't met any deaf people that readily accept my :(
but there are plenty that share common interest.

>    I would think that language barriers are made to be broken?
>
>Unfortunately, most people--deaf and hearing--don't seem to believe this.

 Too bad not more people try.  Especially because sign language is the most
universal language in the world. No matter what your country speaks sign
language gets by much easier.

Thanks :)

Chris :)
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
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Subject: Re: sex wish (no, not *that* kind)
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:11:06 GMT
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chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince) writes:
>
>You have said that Liberals say many animals engage in homosexual sex.
>That is true, but of all these many animals, most have sex for the re-
>productive reasons.  I remember once reading that Whales, Porchipines(sp?)
>and Humans are the only known species to have sex for other than reproductive
>reasons.  And of those three species the only ones to have homosexually
>encounters are Humans and Porchipines( I think I better look up that word)
>The difference between those two are the Porchs do it for domination, and
>Humans, well I don't know why humans do it, but at anyrate, Homosexuality
>is still wrong.  

	"This is the thing I wish to tell you; in all the world, there are
more creatures than just man that make lifetime matings. Among them, some of
the noblest - wolves, swans, geese, the great raptors - all creatures man 
could do worse than to emulate, in many, many ways. And with all of them,
*all*, there are those pairings, from time to time, within the same gender.
Not often, but not unheard of, either. [...] There is in you a fear, a shame,
placed there by your own doubts and the thoughts of one who knew no
better. I tell you to think on this: the [homosexual] pairing occurs *in
nature*. How then, 'unnatural'? *Usual*, no; and not desirable for the
species, else it would die out for lack of offspring. But not *unnatural*.
The beasts of the field are innocent as man can never be, who has the 
knowledge of good and evil and the choice between, and they do not cast
out of their ranks the [homosexual]. There was between you and your [lover]
much love - only love. There is no shame in loving. [...] This then I have
learned: where there is love, the form does not matter, and the gods are 
pleased. This I have observed: what occurs in nature, comes by the hand
of nature, and if the gods did not approve, it would not be there. I give 
you these things as food for your heart amd mind."

	-- Moondace k'Treva, Mercedes Lackey's "Magic's Pawn"

>I except it, but I say it is wrong because it is damaging mentally as well
>as physically.

	Only when "right-thinking, moral folks" persecute the hell out of 
them and make them feel ashamed, immoral, unnatural, etc. I know of not
one of my homosexual friends that is messed-up in the head once they came
to terms with it and said to hell with the bigots. Not one.


--
						| Heather "Moose" Garvey
	"CHAD BLUNT, the BALL carrier!"		| Biochemistry - CWRU '93
		-- The entire band after 	| <hlg@po.cwru.edu>
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Subject:      Demographics...

Deaf-L readers:  For your information, here are some facts to
keep in mind when offering one's perspective.  Thanks.  These
facts are quoted from various census sources, the U.S. Census
Bureau, and for more detailed info. contact Gallaudet Univ.
Ctr. for Assmt. and Demo. Stds.


        1.  350,000 profoundly deaf children and adults in the
nation.  Of these, 65,000 are children.

        2.  19,500,00 adults who are hard of hearing.

        3.  990,000 children who are hard of hearing.

        4.  Over 80% of these school aged children are being
educated in the public school system.

        5.  90% of the profoundly deaf have parents who have
normal hearing.

        6.  In the Annual Survey of Hearing Impaired Children
and Youth (1990-1991 school year) conducted by the Center for
Assessment and Demographic Studies, Gallaudet College, 39% of
those surveyed (N=47,973) used auditory/oral as their primary
mode of communication; 58% used total communication and only
1.3% used sign language alone.

        7.  21,000,000 total individuals with some degree of
hearing loss in the nation.

Thanks!

Chris Lehfeldt DDS
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From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
Subject: Signing
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Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:01:10 GMT


I would like to know how many people (deaf and hearing) sign when they talk
even if it is with someone who doesn't understand. Of course, this questions
is addressed to those of you who know how to sign.  

I ask this, because the other day I was sign parts of what I was saying, and
someone made a wise crack about it.  And it accured to me that maybe I'm not
the only one that does that. Also I don't sign very well and I don't have many
friends to sign with so I don't get much practice and when I talk is the only
time I get to use what I know. So anyway, now that I have run out of breath,
does anyone else do this?  Just curious  :)

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From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
Subject: Re: sex wish (no, not *that* kind)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:03:20 GMT

In article <9212160732.AA19189@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU> writes:
>Joseph, you seem to believe that "unnatural" things are bad, unless they
>clearly benefit people in another way.  I don't agree with this, for
>these reasons:
>
>(3) We can find processes in the "natural world" to excuse many, many
>opposing moral values.  For instance, social conservatives say that
>since homosexual sex does not make anyone pregnant, it is "unnatural",
>and therefore immoral.  Liberals say that since many animals engage in
>homosexual sex, it is "natural", and therefore OK.  In these cases,
>people are not using "nature" to *guide* their actions, but to
>*excuse* moral judgements they have already made; the appeal to
>"nature" obscures more moral issues than it clears up.

Seth-
I just wanted to jump in on your third reason...
You have said that Liberals say many animals engage in homosexual sex.
That is true, but of all these many animals, most have sex for the re-
productive reasons.  I remember once reading that Whales, Porchipines(sp?)
and Humans are the only known species to have sex for other than reproductive
reasons.  And of those three species the only ones to have homosexually
encounters are Humans and Porchipines( I think I better look up that word)
The difference between those two are the Porchs do it for domination, and
Humans, well I don't know why humans do it, but at anyrate, Homosexuality
is still wrong.  
I except it, but I say it is wrong because it is damaging mentally as well
as physically.




>I think anti-gay discrimination is
>wrong, not because homosexual sex is "natural", but because consenting
>adults have the right to form whatever relationships they choose.  And
>so on.

I agree with this.  Any kind of discrimination is wrong.  You don't have
to like it, you just have to except it.

>P.S. to science fiction fans: John Varley has written a number of
>stories set in a future world where sex changes, and many other
>radical surgeries, are cheap, frequent, and socially acceptable.  His
>latest novel, _Steel Beach,_ is set in this world; see also another
>novel of his, _The Ophiuchi Hotline,_ and the short-story collections
>_The Barbie Murders,_ _The Persistence of Vision,_ and _Blue
>Champagne._
>--
>seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
>mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience

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