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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Questions about cloaking
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:17:49 GMT
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov8.060814.25807@umr.edu>, bmaddox@cs.umr.edu (Brian Maddox) writes:
>
>   Sorry if this has been brought up before but I've been killing all refs to
>RASCALS so I could watch an episode unspoiled.
>   I was wondering about the cloaking devices.  I seems to me that there should
>be some way to detect a cloaked vessle.  I seem to remember that in an earlier
>episode that there was some sort of visual distorsion caused by the cloaking 
>device.  Shouldn't there also be other types of distorsions (gravitational,
>subspace, ect.)?  In ST VI, they equipped a photon torpedo to detect the 
>output of the cloaked vessle's engines.  This seems to imply that the sensors
>of ST:TNG time should be able to detect a cloaked vessle somehow.  Perhaps this
>is why the Federation doesn't bother to cloak its ships.  Why worry about 
>hiding yourself when you can detect vessles that are cloaked?  

Some points:
1. In TOS "Balance of Terror" the cloaked Romulan ship was detected
by motion sensors, but nothing else.  The information was too limited
to get a location fix.

2.  In ST III the Klingons were detected by an energy surge and a visible
distortion effect.  Again, precise targeting was not possible until the
ship uncloaked.

3.  In ST VI Chang's ship was detected by gaseous emissions from its
tailpipe.  This could not be exploited in warp flight.  Its use in
impulse flight is limited to cases where the cloaked ship is flying
slowly on a steady course (Chang gloats and follows Kirk), so it would
probably not be useful during typical impulse combat when there is a lot
of manueuvering.

4.  In TNG "Redemption" the cloaked Romulans were detected three ways.
First, a nonspecific reading of claoked ships moving along the border.
No specific position information was available.  Second, they could be
detected if they crossed an active tachyon beam propagated between two
or more ships.  To make this work, you need a lot of ships to create 
a net of criss-crossing beams.  Third, Data did something to make 
photorps interact with tachyon fields around the Warbirds and short out
the cloaking devices.  Again, limited general usefulness.

5.  In TNG "The Emissary" the improved TNG sensors were able to pick up
a cloaked Klingon ship that was 75 years old.


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From: quendor@hardy.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:30:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.003048.8159
Organization: University of Washington

>>Why is data so limited.  He shouldn't need a communicator.  He should
>>have one built.  Data should be able to talk with the ship without
>>talking out loud.  He could also have a phaser built in, and that is
>>only a start.
>> 
>>What do you think?
>>
>>Joe
>.Data does not come with a phaser since for the very fact that it is in his
> nature to dislike them.  In one episode(I don't remember it's name) Data is
> kidnapped and is goaded into using it as a last resort, just before he was
> beamed aboard the Enterprise.  In fact he denied the fact and stated that
> O'brien was "mistaken" when he discovered that a phaser had been fired just
> before/during beaming.  ..The reason Data does not directly link to the
>computer is because he _enjoys_ talking to it either because he feels he is of
>the same kind as the computer or in the other end of the spectrum he feels it
>makes him feel more human.  I read this in some recent TNG novel so it's not
>solely my own idea.

   Not to mention that Dr. Soong(sp?) (btw, how do you spell his name?)
build Data to nessessarily become a Star Fleet officer. And wasn't Data
built before the Enterprise-D?

                                    Don Sowell
  
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From: tlb2665@usl.edu (Burleigh Thomas L)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: "The Royale" Question
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:55:16 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana


 In "The Royale" episode, at the beginning and ending of the show, Picard
refers to an unsolvable equation/theorom.  What was the name of this
equation? What was the equation itself?

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From: fin@unet.umn.edu (Craig A. Finseth)
Subject: Re: "The Royale" Question
Organization: University of Minnesota, Networking Services.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:48:43 GMT

In article <Bx9Ay8.1BJ@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, kelsey@redwing.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey) writes:

|> Recently, a number of computational mathematicians have verified Fermat's
|> conjecture for specific values of n up to some large value (well over 1
|> million), but no inductive proof, or any other _general_ proof, has been found
|> to date.

Mike is correct.  I got this confused with the Four Color Map Problem.

As it has not been proven, Mike also correctly refers to it as
Fermat's *Conjecture.* It can only be called a "Theorem" *after* it
has been proven.

Craig

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From: ajiang@lonestar.utsa.edu (Alexander X. Jiang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "The Royale" Question
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:33:03 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Nov5.155516.3935@usl.edu> tlb2665@usl.edu (Burleigh Thomas L) writes:
> In "The Royale" episode, at the beginning and ending of the show, Picard
>refers to an unsolvable equation/theorom.  What was the name of this
>equation? What was the equation itself

the equation is that   X^n = Y^n + Z^n , and the guy claimed that for n > 2,
there does not exist integers X, Y, and Z to satisfy the equation.  I forget
what's the guy's name and the theorom is called The Great <his name> Dilema.
in the formula, ^ denotes exponential function.
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From: joseph@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson)
Subject: Handicaped in Star Trek TNG.
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:45:37 GMT


I have noticed that the new ship has no steps in it.  Where the old show
had steps within the bridge, making it not accessable to people in a 
wheelchair, or a robot with wheels.  

Is this new change something done to make the show look better or did someone
think of accessability?  As a matter of fact the new ship makes good use of
the open access building standards.  Most of all the computer interfaces 
like the food generators, would be accessable to someone in a chair.

Joe
From: w5y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Stephen Todd Leroux)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Orientation
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:06:44 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca

Okay... so my brother and I were talking about all the crazy things that
appear on r.a.s.t.  And he came upon a rather interesting idea.  We both
had a good chuckle over it, and then he made me promise to post it.
So here goes:

Why is it that when two ships meet out in the depths of space, they're
always both the same side up?  It's not like there's a big this-side-up
sticker for the universe, is there?  Picture the scenario:

Picard: "On screen, Mr. Worf"
< Upside down Ferengi-dude appears >
Ferengi-Dude: "Stupid Hum-an.  Your ship's upside down."
Picard: "Is not."
Ferengi-Dude: "Is too.  Turn it over."
Picard: "Why don't you?."
Ferengi-Dude: "I asked you first."
Riker, standing with his chest puffed out like he's got something
shoved up his butt: "I don't like the looks of this, Captain.  I say we 
fire phasers."
Picard: "Agreed, Number One.  Make it so."
Riker, all excited about getting into the action: "Fire phasers, Mr. Worf."
Worf, barely able to contain his emotion: "Aye, sir."
Phasers: "zap."
Ferengi-Dude: "kaboom."

Now wouldn't that make for an exciting episode?
And before you flame me, remember: it was my brother's idea.

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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: The Next Class of Starship...?
Keywords: beyond galaxy....
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:51:05 GMT



The next class starship (according to the Tech Man) is the Nova Class
starship...hmmm..Nova..."no go" in spanish...I wonder.
Anyway, this class ship is rumored to be about the size of the Galaxy class
ship and there might even be an Enterprise-E...Nova Class.


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From: rick@daffodil.tymnet.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "The Royale" Question
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:20:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: BT North America, San Jose, CA


In article <1992Nov6.195934.11978@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
|> In article <1992Nov5.165915.2452@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nyamane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norm Yamane) writes:
|> >
|> >It was Fermat's Last Theorem.
|> >
|> >It goes like this:
|> >
|> >There are no whole number solutions to this equation for x > 2
|> >
|> >
|> >           x     x     x
|> >          A  +  B  =  C
|> >
|> >Easy to state, no proof though.
|> >
|> It can't be proven as stated, because it is wrong.
|> Unless you gave me an abridged version, there is a class
|> of solutions for every case: that is A or B (or both) = 0.

A whole number, to me at least, is any integer greater than zero
(not including zero).  
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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: bodies going ka-boom in vacuum
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:28:07 GMT

crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
> snit@nevada.edu (S. Nev Inst of Tech) writes:
> >Ok - no more theories.  It has been tested at the Southern Nevada
> >Institute of Technology.  Not with a human, for our Hover wasn't large
> >enough, but with a lab rat (a species roughly equal to a lawyer).  Our
> >results:

[humorous, _fictional_ story deleted]

> Much detailed descriptions of the horrible vivisection deleted.
> I was understandably outraged by the horror of this post.  To subject any
> Please support generously PETA, Animal Rights Coalition, and your local

Please direct additional postings of this nature to  
alt.whining.animal.rights.extremist

Thanks!
From: jjenkins@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey J Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Did anyone record Riker's computer description?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:57:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I was under the impression that Riker was feeding the Ferengi a load of
techno-babble about nothing in general to conuse him.  Riker was hoping that
the Ferengi had no idea whatsoever of how the _Enterprise_'s computers
worked.  Riker told him absolutely nothing of any use about the computer and
succeeded in confusing and distractiong the Ferengi while he gave Picard
access to the command systems.

>>Jeff<<
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From: cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Rascals, Trek Reality Check...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:09:00 GMT

Spoilers for those who haven't seen it :)

Just in case...


I am confused.  After watching Rascals I don't understand how the 
*Enterprise-D* gets taken by two lowly Klingon Bird Of Preys.  

Granted writers take lots of wild liberties, but this was too close
to a turkey shoot for BOPs crewed by *gasp* Ferengi.  If the Ferengi
are that good, or Starfleet training or tech is that bad, I think 
someone better write an episode where the transporter system gets
transformed into a all-powerful weapon.  Seems like their only chance :)

Until the next Romulan Warbird Type-5 de-cloaks off of your portside :)



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From: petitc@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: V'GER VS BORG
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:07:37 GMT

In article <26026@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, william@cs.arizona.edu (gniltreH mailliW) writes:

|> Of course, the Klingons might feel their debt is paid by the Borg incident,
|> but I think that they know their alliance with Starfleet is important 
|> protection against the Romulans.

  Also, remember ST6?  In there, the Klingons' Empire is really seriously
damaged, and the Feds entered into a treaty agreement, starting a new age of
peace with them---you'd think by TNG the Feds and Klingons are pretty well
intertwined, ecconomically and such.

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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Relics **SPOILERS**
Keywords: orbit
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:21:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.1dmdnfINNgar
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com


Spoilers ahead...

Did anyone else notice that the Enterprise still had a problem when it
used lateral thrust to miss the star and enter orbit?  Such as the high
eccentricity of its orbit?  It had considerable forward momentum when
it passed through the entry port, and never had a chance to lose any of
it, so it would have passed close to the star and sped outward, finally
impacting in a rather spectacular manner with the outer shell somewhere
quite distant from the port.

Oh well...




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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Organization: Aston University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:08:40 GMT

joseph@odie.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson) writes:
: Why is data so limited.  He shouldn't need a communicator.  He should
: have one built.  Data should be able to talk with the ship without
: talking out loud.  He could also have a phaser built in, and that is
: only a start.
:  
: What do you think?

Because data was intended to be a humanoid sentient being. How many humans
klingons, vulcans, deltans, ... do you see with build in phasers or
communicators.

(should this be on the FAQ)

The phiophecy of the people in the UFP is different from the race which 
originally became the borg.

The odd thing about data is more why having been given a form which is
with in the human norm he is then given a completly odd skin and eye colour
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From: f017@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: kiloquad????
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:06:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


On the TNG tech manual keeps mentioning kiloquads when referring to computer
memory, etc.  What I would like to straighten out iswhat a kiloquad is!
my guess is that it is a trillion megabytes.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:44:07 -0500 
From: Michael Joseph Harris <mh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why is Data So Limited

Data isn't "limited..."
if i remember correctly, data was designed as an android, a super human
being if you will.

if he had a commlink, a phaser, a built in computer terminal, he'd be
more of a robot than a human

besides, a super data would kill so many good plot lines...
( just imagine the additional number of "data saves the day" episodes...lame)


Michael
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From: castor@athena.mit.edu (Charlie)
Subject: Re: Klingon Home World???
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.162431.46689@watson.ibm.com>, annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com () writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.110208.7162@aston.ac.uk>, evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Might it be just one planet, but called different things by different people.
|> |> after all are earth, tera and sol 3 different planets.
|> 
|> Uh, isn't "sol" the sun? 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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|> "What must I do to convince you people?"		 "Die."

Yes, that is why sol 3 is the third planet of the sol (sun) system.

-Charlie
castor@athena.mit.edu
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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Software/hardware
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:25:15 GMT

jwindley%cheap.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
: 
: In short, I don't think you can just say to the replicator "Make me a
: chip to control a shuttle bay tractor beam."  The replicator
: replicates -- it doesn't create.

Nope what you do is create (or get from stores a blank chip) stick
your original in a copier, the blank one is a slot.
Then do a copy of the data from one to another.
: 
: Finally, the resolution of the replicator is supposed to be fairly
: low.  It doesn't matter so much on ice cream sundaes, but it may
: matter on something like an isolinear chip which needs to be accurate
: at the microscopic level, and perhaps even the molecular level.

Consider a new isolinear chip to be like a blank floppy.
It is a lot easier to produce generic blank ones than to have
ready to use ones rolling off the production line.

Then you only need to have a few types of chip. e.g. those used
where they will be inserted and removed frequently have a protective
packaging.

Thus all you need are standard chip designs (or an already programmed chip)
to produce the ones you want.
All the replicator has to do is produce a chip with a programming bootstrap
built in.
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: Animals Have No rights 
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:21 GMT

Ed Crick (CD) writes:
>
>I was understandably outraged by the horror of this post.  To subject any
>animal to the violent whims of humans is against every moral code that we
>follow today.  Animals have as much right to exist on this planet as humans
>do, and to think that they are here in our service displays the nauseating
>arrogance of humankind.  Animals should share the earth and not be treated
>as sources of food or objects for questionable scientific "research" using
>dubious experiments to pursue an equally obscure goal.  
>
>We as humans shall not completely be liberated until we free other members
>of the animal kingdom from their slavery and indenture.  
>

Too bad animals themselves don't respect the "rights" of other animals.
What do I mean?  The eat one another.  How can they have rights if they
themselves do not repect these "rights".  Animals have no rights.  

>The disgusting tone of this message should be eschewed by all, even in a
>morbid, tasteless attempt at humor.
>
>Please support generously PETA, Animal Rights Coalition, and your local
>organizations to free these poor creatures from their torture, using
>whatever methods that provide results.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So you advocate terorism also?  After all they use whatever methods possible
as well to get across their political view.

I don't advocate the abuse of animals.  But I also realize that they don't
have rights.  Too bad this political B.S. is on this net.

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From: petitc@nuge107.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Animals Have No rights
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.142804.11773@dvs.com>, malecki@dvs.com (Dave Malecki) writes:
|> Ed, do you feel guilty when you have a beer?  Think of all those poor yeast
|> colonies that basically suffocated in their own waste so that you could enjoy
|> a cool one.  You did say that all animals have rights, regardless of species.
|> Does this include plants and microbes?  What about insects?  Is it because lab
|> animals have fur and can be considered cute, that you have a bleeding heart
|> attitude towards them?  Are you a vegetarian?  Don't you feel awful when you
|> have a steak?

|> Animals are here for our use.  Cruelty only applies to sentient beings.  Are
|> animals sentient?

  Cruelty is somewhat vague to define, but I think that all species use others
to some degree.  This is natural and accepted.  When it's cruelty is when it's
totally unnecessary and has prolonged death theores.  Also, I think that people
apply cruelty to creatures at or above the reptile level.

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From: joseph@odie.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson)
Subject: Why is Data so limited?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:31:54 GMT

Why is data so limited.  He shouldn't need a communicator.  He should
have one built.  Data should be able to talk with the ship without
talking out loud.  He could also have a phaser built in, and that is
only a start.
 
What do you think?

Joe