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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re:  HP LaserJet IIP/IIIP Printer confusion
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:01:20 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <neuss.713626500@carioca> neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) writes:
>wolter@cs.tamu.edu (Jan Wolter) writes:
>
>BTW, the djf package is still on the archives. Get DeskJet2.01.tar.Z
>from sonata.cc.purdue.edu, in /pub/next/2.0-release/source. It works
>fine, but please play around with printing grey shades. I suspect
>that they don't look identical to what a PostScript printer will
>produce (a very coarse dithering). But maybe there are options
>to control this behavior, I will have to take a closer look.
>Can someone on the net help?
>
>Hope that helped,
>			[  Hi bbum! You out there?  ;-)  ]

    I have a DeskJet.  I'm not sure whether that was the package I popped
    (DeskJet2.01.tar.Z) but I popped one of the deskjet drivers.

    You might want to double check the source ... the one I popped did not
    use any of the compression modes available meaning that bitmap dumps
    are S.L.O.W.  If people come across the S.L.O.W. problem note that it's
    probably the driver, not the serial link speed.

						-Matt

>Chris
>/*
> * Christian Neuss  %	neuss@igd.fhg  %  ..in the humdrum
> */

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From: uli@aida.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel)
Subject: Re: Problem with SCSI Streamer
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:25:05 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <1992Aug17.084824.14562@urz.unibas.ch>, frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) writes:

|> The varying/fixed block size problem. It should be (and most probably is) a FAQ  
|> by now. Get the SCSI-tools from the achive servers and install the little  
|> program (tapefix on my machine) int the rc.local file so it fixes the tape to  
|> fixed blocks at boot time.
|> 
It is, but since I am not on my NeXT, I dunno what number. The source of your three-liner
is included in the faq.

Uli
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From: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.ORG
Subject: Re: NeXT modems (inbound/outbound)
Reply-To:  <bruce@TotSysSoft.com> (Bruce Gingery)
Organization:  Total System Software
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:16:46 GMT

jbradsha@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes:
: I'm looking for help and advice on hooking a modem to a NeXT machine. The 
: machine is NFS mounted on a campus network. I hooked a USR Courier 2400 to
: it and although can dial out cannot use it for dial in. It appears as if the
: DCD line is not being carried to the NeXT. If I put the modem in the "ttys"
: file with "-D2400" on  and then KILL -HUP 1 I see the NeXT trying to send the
: login prompt to the modem even though there is no carrier. I also get a
: "device busy" when then trying to use "/dev/cua" for outbound. Neither
: forcing DCD on or turning the modem off allow me access to the modem for 
: outbound (/dev/cua) until I remove the "/dev/ttyda" from the "ttys" file by
: setting it to "off".
: 
: Does this sound like the modem? If so, what specifically must I check 
: (and how)  when looking for a new modem?

It looks like you are very close in your analysis.  If the modem is set
(as many are, especially older 2400bps modems) to default to a locked
DCD rather than DCD following true Carrier Detect, it will produce exactly
the symptoms you describe. 

With CU or whatever program you are using to access the modem for outbound
dialing, attempt to set &C1&D2 (or preferably &C1l&D3) in the modem and &W 
-write it as a powerup/reset default.  BTW, if this is a 68040 NeXT, you 
should use the hardware handshaking versions of each of the drivers...
   cufa and ttydfa, rather than cua/ttyda.
The 68030 cubes, of course, with their RS-422 ports do not support these
signal lines, however most modems do.
: Thanks for any help!
-- 
Bruce Gingery          bruce@TotSysSoft.com        (Total System Software)
InterNet:  Bruce.Gingery@p1.f5.n310.z1.fidonet.org (  Cheyenne, Wyoming )
       or  bruce@brucext.TotSysSoft.com
NeXT-Mail: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.org  < -or- > bruce@TotSysSoft.com
From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: boot from CD-ROM?
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:49:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: parsec.1992Aug22.204912.1171
Reply-To: alberto@parsec.uucp
Organization: I keep everything where I <most likely> can find it.

Just imagine, you could leave off your HD:

Almost all of NeXTLibrary, that includes a lot of
documentations or 71.5 MB
All of NeXTDeveloper/Demos & Examples (w/ Examples
being SQUASHED) = 14.8 MB
NeXTAdmin = 1.12 MB
If you got precompiled headers (is this going to be
available?) /usr/include = 3.05 MB
/usr/template = 1.67 MB

Added up this equals a huge 92.14 MB or enough disk
space to give you space for a huge Ma Swap file!

No, really, much of the seldomly used stuff can be
placed there, (I hope that one is able to have
index files for the documentation, even if the
actual files reside on CD).

In all the performance of the CD reader will dictate
how much stuff one will be willing to leave on the
"slower" media. - Gosh! I don't think I need that
Gigabyte drive anymore. Time to shop for 120MB magneto
optical thingies.........................



---
Manuel Alberto Ricart
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>

-- 
Manuel Alberto Ricart
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Spherical Solutions????
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:57:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.111021.1428@expovision.uucp> pat@expovision.ogi.edu  
writes:
> Can anybody out there please post the address, phone number, fax number  
> and e-mail adress for Spherical Solutions.

Phone: 415-383-7512
Fax: 415-381-9556
sphere@netcom.com

They are in Mill Valley, California, but I don't have the complete  
address.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
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George Bush undermines his chances of being re-elected Vice President.
From: kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: CD-ROM - 3 Month wait??
Summary: not for me
Keywords: next, cd-rom, delays, delays, delays
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:51:51 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Here at the Univ. of Arizona, I ordered my next cd-rom in mid to late June
and it came on about August 1st.  The next guy here even said "Since 3.0 is
not scheduled until perhaps the end of August, why don't I wait to charge
you for it till then.  I'll just hold on to it for you".

Wow!  

so I had about a 1 month wait, and I don't have to pay until 3.0 comes.

-nick
kline@cs.arizona.edu

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From: wolter@cs.tamu.edu (Jan Wolter)
Subject: Re: boot from CD-ROM?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:50:07 GMT

This discussion seems to be wandering off on an interesting tangent, but
the part of the original question that interested me most was the notion
that you can leave all or part of the operating system on the CD-ROM and
thus save lots of disk space, so that buying the CD-ROM effectively wins
you some free disk space.  If this is true it might actually be worthwhile
for me to buy the thing.

It seems obvious to me that you don't want to leave everything on the
CD-ROM.  That's just too slow, plus you could never access anything on any
other ROM disk because once you take the operating system out of the drive
you are mostly dead in the water.  But certainly the complete works of
Shakespeare could stay there, as could most of the more rarely used commands.
My question is, how much else could?

Thus my question is, if I cough up the money for a CD-ROM, how much disk
space will I be able to free up on my hard-disk by leaving rarely used stuff
off?
			- jan
From: John_Graves@next.com (John Graves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re:  Upgrade to NextTurbo
Date: 10 Aug 92 16:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: John_Graves@next.com

In article <dillon.0l2a@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US  
(Matthew Dillon) writes:
> In article <1992Aug9.000205.2536@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug7.213354.15427@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
> >...
> >
> >Use 72-pin 4, 8, 16, or 32 MB SIMMs with 100 ns minimum
> >access time. For maximum performance use 70 ns SIMMs.
> 
> 
>     I never understood this, if the dram bus is  setup to work with 80ns
>     SIMMS, why would putting in 70ns SIMMs give you better performance?
>     The ram's might be faster but I seriously doubt the NeXT will access
>     them any faster.
> 
> 					    -Matt

The memory system has programmable memory timing such that the number of  
processor clocks needed to access a given amount of data can be tailored to the  
speed of the memory installed.  70 ns memory is just enough faster than 80 ns  
memory to allow the cpu to access the data with fewer clock cycles.  This  
improves memory system performance.

"70 ns" memory is faster than "80 ns" memory in many parameters other than just  
RAS access time.  The faster CAS access time in particular allows the memory  
system to respond quicker to burst (16 bytes) bus transfers.

--

John Graves
Hardware Engineering
NeXT Computer, Inc
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From: ajee@scdt.intel.com (Alvin Jee ~)
Subject: Re: ISDN System Adapter or Extender?
Organization: Intel Corporation,  Design Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:27:25 GMT

Hmmm...
  I would suggest getting the Supra modem since ISDN seems to be much more
difficult to get going. First you need the ISDN box, then you need to get
an ISDN service from the phone company, and then you can only call other ISDN
people unless the phone company (or somebody else) has a pool of modems and
fax machines that can be accessed from ISDN.  At least that is how I understand
it to work. If I am not quite right, please correct me. I looked into this
before, but from the computer network side. I wanted to get a fast connection
to machines on campus from home. Somebody said that both ends needs to be on
ISDN to get that to work (makes sense :) ). Seeing that it would be difficult
to convince the powers that be to spring for an ISDN terminal on campus, I
dropped that idea pretty quick and went to faster modems.

Alvin Jee
alvin@cse.ucsc.edu
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From: bose@acs.ucalgary.ca (Robert P. Bose)
Subject: Re: ISDN System Adapter or Extender?
Summary: ISDN eXTender capabilities?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:49:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: ISDN

In article <1992Aug13.173943.19528@eecs.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes:
>	Despite the fact that NeXT ISDN won't be seen until Nov, NeXTConnection
>is currently selling the HAYES made ISDN System Adapter at the price of $1199.
>
>	I thought every NeXT is equipped with a DSP port and only requires
>a brainless $349 extender box to do ISDN. Why is NeXTConnection selling 
>the product in places where there's no potential market at all? Shouldn't
>they sell ISDN extender instead, and put the Adapter with built-in DSP on
>MACConnection or PCConnection?
>
>	Now, here's the tough choice......
>Should I go ahead and buy a Supra 14.4 or wait for the ISDN Extender which will
>also provide software FAX and MODEM at the speed of 64K bits/sec?
>
>
>Gary
>
I'd like to know what capabilities the ISDN eXTender has on
regular phone lines. What little literature I've seen claims fax,
etc. Unfortunately, there's no mention of non-ISDN capabilities
(v.32 and all those other modem standards). Will the ISDN
eXTender be able to act as a modem? If so, what speed? I'm not
spending any money until I find out.

       Terry Wilcox

       terry@squid9.cuc.ab.ca





Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: jon@afs.com (Jonathan Hendry)
Subject: Optical Drive failing to boot up
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:11:37 GMT


Last night I tried to boot my cube from the OD. The first few times I tried,  
the machine would apparently give up trying to read. Instead of the "healthy"  
chugging noises, all I heard was a feeble clicking which may have come from the  
swap drive. No errors were reported, the boot process just stopped.

Eventually, it booted right. Has anyone experienced this before? Is it related  
to humidity? (condensation on the head?) Is my optical going terminal? 

--
Jonathan Hendry  Anderson Financial Systems
jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
"Where's that damn eraser" - M.C. Escher
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From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com>
Subject: DEC 3105 3.5" 1.2GB drive
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com>
Organization: Proponent
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:30:43 GMT

A friend wants to get a large hard disk for his NeXT and is considering the
DEC 3105 3.5" 1.2GB drive.

Anyone here have any experience with this drive?

Any problems or comments?

Thanks.

-- 
# Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405
# monty%roscom@think.com
From: jbradsha@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: NeXT modems (inbound/outbound)
Keywords: modem,inbound,outbound
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:37:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

I'm looking for help and advice on hooking a modem to a NeXT machine. The 
machine is NFS mounted on a campus network. I hooked a USR Courier 2400 to
it and although can dial out cannot use it for dial in. It appears as if the
DCD line is not being carried to the NeXT. If I put the modem in the "ttys"
file with "-D2400" on  and then KILL -HUP 1 I see the NeXT trying to send the
login prompt to the modem even though there is no carrier. I also get a
"device busy" when then trying to use "/dev/cua" for outbound. Neither
forcing DCD on or turning the modem off allow me access to the modem for 
outbound (/dev/cua) until I remove the "/dev/ttyda" from the "ttys" file by
setting it to "off".

Does this sound like the modem? If so, what specifically must I check (and how)
when looking for a new modem?

Thanks for any help!
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From: jon@afs.com (Jonathan Hendry)
Subject: Focusing monitors -Instructions
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:07:10 GMT


I have an old monitor which is a little fuzzy. Could someone email me the  
instructions for focusing a monochrome Megapixel display which were posted some  
time ago? I lost my copy sometime since then.


Thanks,

--
Jonathan Hendry  Anderson Financial Systems
jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" - TMBG
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From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Re: boot from CD-ROM?
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:52:54 GMT

sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:

>Marc Albert Ullman writes
>> In article <1992Aug20.161155.6930@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:
>> >If your ROM version is 3.0 or higher (generally Turbo or  
>later hardware),  
>> >you can boot directly from CD-ROM. If your ROM version  
>is earlier than  
>> >3.0, you can boot indirectly from CD-ROM by means of a  
>"kick-start"  
>> >floppy.
>> 
>> Thus I repeat my question:  Will NeXT make revised boot  
>ROMs available to
>> people with earlier (pre ROM ver 3.0) boot ROMs?
>> 

>Why bother.  How often do you need to boot off a CD.
>(Of couse if you don't have a floppy drive it could be a  
>problem...)

On this thread, I would like to make a proposal to NeXT.

Many of us cube owners, don't have access to floppy drives although of course 
we still have fully functional OD's.  Now most of us have old versions of the
rom monitor and would probably have a bit of difficulty upgrading since we
need that little boot program to enable us to upgrade.

Would NeXT allow somebody , or even do it themselves, to put this program
on the archives where we can get at it via modem.

Thank you.
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: DOS Filesystem problems - transfering stuff on floppies screws up
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:12:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

danh@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Dan Hartman) writes:

>Has anyone else ever had trouble transfering files onto a DOS disk bigger
>than about 200-300K? Every time I fill up a standard HD with more than that,
>the PC will report a read error when it tries to get it (And I've tested this
>on about 5 different PC's)  Is this normal, or should I take my NeXT in to get
>the floppy drive replaced before my warranty runs out (a couple of days, I
>believe).

Are you running OS 2.2 on a non-turbo machine?  If so, contact your
campus/local NeXT service provider about getting the 2.2a patch
diskette.
Otherwise, such an operation should work fine.
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
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From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: ISDN System Adapter or Extender?
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:59:20 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <v75mh!f.abell@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes:
>garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes:
>
>>        Now, here's the tough choice......
>> Should I go ahead and buy a Supra 14.4 or wait for the ISDN Extender which
>> will also provide software FAX and MODEM at the speed of 64K bits/sec?
>
>Answer: Do you care about tying up your DSP? If not, the ISDN Extender is
>a pretty good deal. But if you ever need your 56000, you'll wish you'd bought
>something else.
>
>Using the DSP for FAX/Modem/AnsweringMachine is a great idea, but for the fact
>that most users will want these functions to run unattended *regardless* of
>what else is going on. If your Apps ever use the DSP, you're sunk.
>
>What we really need is an *external* box with:
>
>1) A SCSI connector, a parallel port, and a serial port;
>
>2) An ISDN port and *TWO* loop-thru POTS jacks;
>
>3) A 56000, a control processor, and an *optional* hard disk;
>
>4) A bunch of software.
>
>This is the ultimate phone machine. It connects to *any computer ever made*
>and provides FAX/Data/Voice processing with a very small load on its host.
>Since bulk transfers happen over the SCSI or Parallel port, audio transfers
>to the host can proceed at a reasonable (faster than realtime) rate. With
>the serial port, benighted programs that access serial ports directly can
>still be used. With the optional hard disk, your phone traffic is still
>handled even when your computer is off.
>
>Are there any manufacturers listening out there? Please reread the part
>about connecting to any computer ever made if you want to estimate the
>size of the market.
>
>I approached the VP of Marketing of a major manufacturer of telcom stuff
>about this. He ran around in circles frantically: "We need to do this, but we
>can't market it, but we really need to do this, but we don't know how to
>market it, but we have to do this, but...". You get the idea.
>
>There are several non-obvious aspects to the design of this critter, which I
>will be happy to expound upon if anyone is interested, but
>
>	Will somebody PLEASE build this machine?
>
>Steve abell@netcom.com



Yes, yes, yes, ooh more; voice and fax capabilities with the computer off;
ooh nore, how much, I want it, I'm sold.  Up!  Too bad.  It doesn't exist.

Maybe next year.

maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: CD-ROM - 3 Month wait??
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:08:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spock.BszJqu.55E
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I got the drive last week after specifically ordering drive and
software to be shipped together.  Now the warranty is running while
it sits in its box.  Anybody out there know of any Unix and 
C-programming reference CD's I could get to use with my lonely
new CD-ROM player?

maurices
From: gt5870c@prism.gatech.EDU (Noah White)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: ** Wanted: Those rubber keyboard feet
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:14:27 GMT
Organization: Universal Exports


   I am desperatly looking for a pair of keyboard feet, if anyone has extra's
or is willing to part with theirs please let me know. I am willing to pay
shipping and a _reasonable_ price (say $5) for em. Thanks!

-Noah


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From: vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely)
Subject: Re: Can you use any CDROM drive?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:39:39 GMT

Can you use the CD ROM supplied by Silicon Graphics for their machines? Can it  
be left mounted on the SGI machine and simply transfer the files over to the  
NeXT?
--
Ivan Vesely, Electrical Engineering and Medical Biophysics
University of Western Ontario,     vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca
From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: NeXT laser printer 400 dpi & envelopes
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:28:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: parsec.1992Aug17.222822.269
Organization: Is the act or process of organizing or of being organized.

Everyone seems to forget about SBook. It prints zip barcode info and
makes the addressing task REAL Quick. Check out the demo
available on the net, you won't regret it.......

(Just a happy custumer.)


Regards,


-- 
Manuel Alberto Ricart
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
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From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: 17" Color Mon. - Power Up / Flicker Problem?
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:26:29 GMT

Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> writes
| I'm having a few peculiar problems with my 17" color monitor connected to  
| a NeXT Dimension.  The simplest of the problems is a [...]  
| 
| More importantly, I've noticed a strange power-on occurance in the  
| monitor.  If I leave the computer running, as I often do overnight (to  
| collect mail and news), but turn the monitor off, it behaves oddly when I  
| turn it back on.  Sometimes, though not always, the monitor does not  
| display an image, although it sounds as if it is powering on (hums and  
| crackles, etc.).  In order to fix the problem, I need to power off the  
| entire system and restart.  Is there some circuitry in the ND board that  
| realizes there no active color monitor and turns it off permanently?   
| Thanks in advance for any advice!

I, too, have experienced the same power-on problem with the NeXT 17" Color  
Monitor attached to a NeXTdimension.  I do not think it is related to the  
dimension.

I have noticed that the monitor only shows me a blank screen when I hit the  
power switch very quickly.  When this does happen, I just power off the monitor  
only, not the cube, and wait patiently before turning it on again.

Occasionally, I'll reach to hit the power-on button and bounce enough to hit it  
twice.  If I quickly react and attempt power it on after that initial quick  
cycle, it almost always comes up black.  Very disconcerting, but I've always  
gotten a picture by just powering off the monitor and waiting 30 seconds before  
powering back on.
-- 
Brian Willoughby	Software Design Engineer, BSEE
BrianW@SoundS.WA.com	SoundSoftware
NeXTmail welcome
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