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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Oriole News
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:34:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.200708.7825@brtph560.bnr.ca> dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:

>This sounds like the case of "I don't like Eddie Murray 
>nomatter what numbers he puts up". I can think of several other
>1st basemen who have put up much worse numbers this year and are years
>younger than Eddie Murray. Hmm, How about Andres "no-hit" Gallaraga or
>Orlando Merced for example.  

Just because Galarraga is horrible and Merced is mediocre means that Murray can
be excused for his poor performance?  I love your logic.  By that same logic,
since Brian McRae is an offensive enigma, I can excuse Junior Felix for his
bad year.  And since Luis Rivera is an offensive hole, Gary DiSarcina is god.
(Insert appropriate continuations)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:38:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: SLAC



Sherri --

I plan (and already do) go to A's games -- to root against them. 
Especially when the Tigers or the Brewers are in town.  But I'll be at more
of the San Jose Giants Games -- especially since it's within walking
distance of my home -- and Oakland is not a very safe place to be in at
night.  I agree with you about their name, however.  I'd much rather have
them as the S.J. Bees.

I really wish, though, that there is a National League team closer -- I
prefer the N.L. over the A.L. .... part of it is because of the D.H.  I had
a good friend, when I was younger, whose brother was a pitcher for the A's
... and he always was discouraged by the fact that he never got to hit --
and he was a pretty good hitter.  He wasn't the greatest pitcher (but he
wasn't too bad either) but he never got the chance to pitch for a Nat.
League team.  But, anyway, one of the neat things about the Giants is that
they have had a tendency to have hitting pitchers -- and I think that adds
some spice to the game. But anyway....that's all for now.

>


- Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu
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Subject: Limp-wristed Mets
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:46:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Somebody wrote:
>It's that "weak bones in the wrist" syndrome that is going around the Mets.

Hey, you said it, I didn't.  8-)

Bob Davis
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dodgers Suffer 30th One-Run Loss--Ramon Brilliant!
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:34:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l8t13oINNhcd@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

>one run.  In one inning, Sharperson was called out for
>running outside the base path.  He had hit the ball to Wilson, who
>threw wildly (in the dirt) to first base.  But instead of an
>error, Sharpy was called out.  The next two batters singled,
>so Sharpy would have scored.  This was typical of how the
>evening (and year) has gone for the Dodgers.  On the other

Did you see the play?  Sharperson was a full foot inside the line
the entire way to first, and certainly appeared to distract Clark
from fielding the thrown ball at first.

The Giants just finished tipping the Codgers for the series sweep.
Final score today was also 2-1.  I can't remember the Giants taking 
three from LA, in LA,  since '82.

And man, do the Codgers look awful.  This was the first I've seen
of them since May.  What a defanged, impotent lineup.  They wasted
three pretty good pitching efforts this weekend.  This is easily
the worst team they've had in the 20 years I've been following MLB.



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From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Realignment with the Tampa Giants
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:50:37 GMT


west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West) writes:

>I think the best solution to the realignment problem with the
>Giants now in Tampa is to put the new Florida franchise into
>the NL West, and the Colorado franchise into the NL East,
>then rename the "West" to the "South" and the "East" to the
>"North" and end up with this:

[etc.]

>I haven't seen this suggested yet.  What do people think?

While this might seem sensible on first glance, it ignores the fact that
each division would then be spread out over four time zones. Assuming
the NL doesn't adopt a balanced schedule so more games will be played
within a team's division than without it, this would play havoc with
TV times and travel schedules.

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: nemesis (WAS Re: JEFF REARDON)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:17:53 GMT

Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug18.003933.27992@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R  
Krueger) writes:
>    He's surely cooked when facing the Brewhas. While listening to the game,
>    I heard Bob Uecker say that Reardon was 4-9 lifetime against Milwaukee  
with
>    an ERA of about 6. And that was before giving up 3 runs in one inning
>    pitched. I know that the Brewers have also destroyed Rick Agileara (sp?)
>    a few times over the years. Does anyone have any stats on leading  
relievers'
>    biggest nemesis? And could anyone give me stats on how the Brewhas have
>    done against the top relievers in the AL?

Don't know for sure, but I do recall that Dan Quisenberry 
used to have a career ERA of about 9 vs. the Brewers. 
Several Brewers (like Ben Oglivie) had career .500 BA's vs. Quis.
And Bruce Sutter's ERA against the Brewers was 4.50.
Of course, the only time he faced them was the '82 series.
(OK, OK, probably spring training with the Cubs too...)

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rsoe-hulman.edu
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Peter Gammons: A Query
Organization: Clark University
Date: 14 AUG 92 02:54:24 GMT

Peter Gammons must make a fair amount of money, writing for the
Globe and doing his thing on ESPN, so couldn't he buy himself a chin?

Just wondering.

Heather
Jack Clark University (official name change pending)
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oriloes/A's games
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:22:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug13.142803.2822@brtph560.bnr.ca> usscoop1@bnr.ca (Chuck McCusker P015) writes:
>|> 
>|> Kirby Puckett=MVP NOT!!!
>|> TWINS=Back to Back World Champs Definately NOT!
>|>
>Not even going to win the west. Going to be and all A's series. Oak & Atl.
>
>
>Chuck Ross - A's fan in good and bad times, just enjoy the good times a lot more

Are you trying to be funny??  It sure is working.  I agree on Atlanta being in
the series, though...

It's all going to boil down to one thing.  Team chemistry...Face it.
The Twins have it.  The A's don't, and they aren't going to win ANYTHING with
all of the grade A egos they have.

They really should call the A's the E's:  Egomaniacs.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

TWINS 1992--Back 2 Back

P.S.  Hey dickhead, I don't appreciate people fucking with my sig. especially
when it is misquoting me.  If I thought the A's would win the west (which I
don't and they won't), I'd say so....
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From: brianm@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Brian McNeilly)
Subject: Re: infield fly II ?
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.154417.25531@julian.uwo.ca>, brianm@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Brian McNeilly) writes:
|> In article <92225.225402U43461@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U43461@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> |> Ok, thanks to all who helped me understand the rule. This may seem stupid but
|> |> I have another question about the rule. How far back to the outfield can a
|> |> popup be called an infieldfly? It sounds wierd but lets say the infielder runs
|> |> out to shallow or even mid-outfield area to catch a popup. Can the umpire still
|> |>  call it an infield fly? Is there a certain distance before it can't be called
|> |> that?
|> |> 
|> |> John
|> |> u43461@uicvm.uic.edu
|> 
|> It all depends on the particular umpire's definition of an ordinary or routine catch. The
|> rule requires that the pop fly require "routine effort" from an infielder to make the catch.
|> I suppose it would depend on the particular infielder's ability in the eyes of the umpire.
|> For example, in the little league games that I ump I would rule anything still in the infield
|> (ie. not on the grass) to be an infield fly if it was high enough since the little guys don't
|> have much range. I would say in MLB that guys like Robbie Alomar could catch a pop well onto
|> the grass with "ordinary" effort. This is one of those "grey area" rules that requires a
|> judgement call from the umpires.
|> 
|> Brian McNeilly, London, Ontario

I'm following up my own answer here. What I look for when I call an infield fly in a game is 
the position of the infielder. If he/she is in position to make the catch when the ball is at
or near the top of its arc then the infield fly call should be made. If they are still moving
don't call it. The trick is to wait and don't call it too early (early calls usually bring
the managers out for a "discussion").

Hope this helps.

Brian McNeilly, London, Ontario
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Cubs Win Cubs Win Holy Cow
Date: 22 Aug 1992 11:59:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Cubs defeated the Dodgers in 12 innings last night, 3-2.
Against Ojeda, the Cubs squandered many scoring opportunities,
keeping the Dodgers in the game by managing just 2 runs
on 10 hits...and some walks and an error (by Harris).

Meanwhile, the Dodgers had just 4 hits entering the 8th, and
three of those were by Carlos Hernandez (always batting
with the bases empty).

But Mike Sharperson led off with a pinch single and went all
the way to third on a bad throw by Steve Buechele.  The Dodgers
managed to score a run in the 9th to tie things up 2-2, and
they also caught up on hits and stranded a number of runners
as well.

In the 11th, former Dodger Vizcaino tried to score from second
on a hit to fairly shallow right field.  Henry Rodriguez
easily threw him out at the plate on a strong throw.

As Harry Caray has lamented all season, once you get past
the Cubs big three hitters, there is slim pickings, and this
was the case last night.  But in the 12th, the Dodgers
were in trouble when Ryan Sandburg off and Jay Howell had to face those big
three with Grace and Dawson following.  Sure enough they came through and Steve Buechele atoned for his error with a single to score Sandberg and
give the Cubs the 3-2 win.

This was the Dodgers 32nd one run loss <heavy sigh>

				BleedsDodgerBlue


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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: Grumbling about Canseco
Keywords: Canseco
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:29:10 GMT



In article <1992Aug13.005143.2967@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (St
eve Hendricks) writes:
>I understand that several A's players and LaRussa(?) criticized Canseco
>in the last day or so.  Other than passing references to the grumbling,
>however, I've been unable to find out what was said.  So what's the
>story?
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I read in USA Today that he left the game in the 7th inning to go home.
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             Win Twins!
From: rinehart@athos.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Willie Randolph
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:49:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <AeWb=7y00iUy81GN4K@andrew.cmu.edu> tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:

> >I believe that I heard that Willie Randolph injured
> >himself today.
> >I don't have any details.
> It's that "weak bones in the wrist" syndrome that is going around the
> Mets.  He's probably done for the year.  Too bad.
> Todd

What isn't mentioned here is that he was hit in the wrist by a pitched
ball. 




mark
From: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: INFO: list of Major League Ballparks
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

In article <bone.713489728@luciano.Stanford.EDU> bone@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Douglas J. Bone) writes:
>In <9208102328.AA14998@sub.its.rpi.edu> sullis@RPI.EDU (Sean C. Sullivan) writes:
>>TEAM                      STADIUM NAME       CAPACITY
>>Atlanta Braves            Fulton County      52,007
>
>I believe this is incorrect.  The stadium was remodeled in the early
>1980s, lowering its capacity into the high 40Ks.  Does anyone
>know what the rated capacity is now?  Recent sellouts have been in
>the 43K-45K range, but that obviously doesn't include no-shows.  What
>were the crowds for the LCS and WS last year?  My apologies if I am
>--
                                                                  
I'm not trying to be picky, but the stadium name is "ATLANTA -
FULTON COUNTY STADIUM".  The National League only counts paying
customers that show up.  As you pointed out. it does not include
no-shows nor does it include give away tickets which, according
to an aquaintance of mine (a Braves employee), runs about five
thousand tickets (at least since the Braves started playing winning
baseball).  I believe that official capacity for base ball is
about 50,000.  There was additional seating when it was also
used for football that put the capacity closer to 55,000.
From: IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young Update
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:32:54 GMT
 <1992Aug19.163607.4838@news.stolaf.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

The MVP award is for what its letters stand for: Most Valuable Player.
If a pitcher is a league's most valuable player, then that is the way
it is. No one can argue that a pitcher can't be a most valuable player
for a league. Fact is, there IS an award for "position" players. It's
called the Gold Glove award.

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins are done
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:35:24 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Looks like I also agree on this, though, baseball being as
unpredictable as it is. When ur team outhits the opposition
and yet fails to win, it is tragic. After the Fox homer, they
have never been the same.

Unless the mighty As slump, doesn't look like another repeat
and that is why I rever the 1991 Twins for what they achieved
with just 3 quality pitchers.

Yesterday, the Twins HAD to win and looked like they were back
in sync.....but.........

Where are the home-runs????? I again ask. These David-Hitting-
Twins will come up short against the Goliath-Home-run-teams.

I was exasperated at one point to see a Braves/Twins rematch
slowly going up in smoke, but I still beleive that the Twins
have it in them to do what it takes. Unfortunately, this
slump has come in a crucial part of the season and any final
surge, I'm afraid, is going to land them short.

S.H
Win or lose; Twins forever....
From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Sun, Aug 16th, 1992
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:36:00 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


        MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR SUNDAY, AUGUST 16, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	 --
Cincinnati Reds		z45		        Montreal Expos		 45
San Diego Padres	 40		        Chicago Cubs		 38
San Francisco Giants	z32		        St. Louis Cardinals     z37
Houston Astros		z28		        New York Mets            35
Los Angeles Dodgers	 26		        Philadelphia Phillies	z31

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	z--		        Toronto Blue Jays	i--
Minnesota Twins		 42		        Baltimore Orioles	 44
Chicago White Sox	 37		        Milwaukee Brewers	 41
Texas Rangers		 31		        Detroit Tigers          z33
Kansas City Royals      z28		        Boston Red Sox          z32
California Angels        27		        New York Yankees        z32
Seattle Mariners	z20		        Cleveland Indians       i31
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:50:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.194834.16081@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>Oops.  Guess I must be a stat-head to not see that Cone is *obviously*
>>the better pitcher.  More mentally stable, too (NOT!!!).
>
>	Jesus, I wouldn't exactly call Clemens mentally stable.

Neither of them is a model of sanity, but I think Cone out-flips
Clemens.  Has Clemens ever gone non-linear while baserunners score
unchallenged?

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
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From: blankman@sel2.hep.upenn.edu (Alan Blankman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oriole News -
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:44:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Does anyone have a breakdown on the victims of blown holds and blown saves?  It
seems Mussina has lost out on at least three W's because of Olson et al.
He might have even been in the running for the Cy Young Award.


Give me Eddie for Milligan, any day. I'd take back the Glenn Davis deal, too.
All we've seen from Davis is a lot of injury and a brief spurt of hitting 
recently.  Schilling is doing great with the Phils - 10-7, 2.68 ERA as of 8/11.
Harnisch is in the Unlucky pitchers list (see article 82723), and Finley is doing 
just fine with his 11 triples...



					--Alan Blankman
From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Sat, Aug 15th, 1992
Date: 15 Aug 1992 17:48:35 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Distribution: world
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Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)

        MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR SATURDAY, AUGUST 15, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	 --
Cincinnati Reds		 46		        Montreal Expos		z46
San Diego Padres	z42		        Chicago Cubs		z39
San Francisco Giants	z33		        St. Louis Cardinals      37
Houston Astros		 29		        New York Mets            36
Los Angeles Dodgers	 28		        Philadelphia Phillies	z31

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	z--
Minnesota Twins		z44		        Baltimore Orioles	z45
Chicago White Sox	z39		        Milwaukee Brewers	z42
Texas Rangers		 33		        Detroit Tigers          z33
California Angels       z29		        Boston Red Sox           32
Kansas City Royals       29		        New York Yankees         32
Seattle Mariners	 21		        Cleveland Indians        31
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From: dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Last-place Cy Young
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:40:34 PST

I'm rooting for Boston to end up in last place and Clemens to win
the Cy Young Award.  Of course, in his acceptance speech, Clemens 
would defer all of the credit to his team mates.

Has the Cy Young Award ever been awarded to a pitcher on a last place team?
------------
Dan