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From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: "MIX" magazine reviews Alesis ADAT
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:45:41 GMT
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Oct14.183642.8952@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv  
Naimpally) writes:
|In article <1508@bbx.basis.com>, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)  
writes:
||> For those you are considering buying ADAT and looking for reviews,
||> "MIX" magazine has given a thumbs up to ADAT.  For those not
||> familiar with "MIX" - it is a magazine devoted to the world of
||> professional recording.  It tends to advertise products that
||> most of us could never afford to buy.  With all due respect to
||> "Keyboard" and "Electronic Musician", I would consider a
||> positive review of ADAT in "MIX" to be a great feather in Alesis's
||> cap.
|
|MIX magazine owns Electronic Musician (they bought them a year or two
|ago) so many of the MIX reviewers now do EM reviews - perhaps the
|same review is printed in both mags (I don't get Mix so I wouldn't know).
|So their reviews should carry a similar weight.
|

If you actually read the magazine I think you would change your mind.
I read all three and agree with Scott.

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From: mpdavis@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael Parker Davis)
Subject: WHAT COMP/LIMITER/GATE??? ALESIS 3630???
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:42:01 GMT

   1) How quietly does the Alesis 3630 compressor/limiter/gate work?
   2) Is the Alesis 3630 really equipped with a noise gate?
   3) Does DOD make a comp/limiter/gate? 
   4) Is there a better comp/limiter/gate for the money.

I ask these questions before a trip to purchase nirvana hell.  Where is
purchase nirvana hell, you ask?  It is in my studio! When ... I unbox a piece
of gear(read ART LTX), look at a pitiful manual(read ART LTX), try it out
and notice that damn nasty noise demon (read ART LTX digital whine, and poor
sound decay algorithms) which will be on all my recordings until I can get
rid of this piece of gear.

I have learned now that good specs, good features, and good intentions can be
messed up in a hurry by a poor implemenation (read ART LTX).

BTW-  the ART LTX is not really really "terrible", the ads are just slicker
      than the unit, and tech support even know what in's and out's it had.
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From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: ambient
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:17:26 GMT


In article <470@asylum.UUCP>, dnibby@asylum.UUCP (Dana Nibby) writes...
> I'm looking for synth suggestions for doing ambient/atmospheric
>music. If you had approx $800 to spend, which synth would *you* choose?

I think you need to define ambient/atmospheric when you bandy it about.
I associate you with ambient/house as opposed to ambient/fripp&eno, so I'm
sure that there can be some confusion on the atmospheric front as well.

A Matrix-1000 is your basic workhorse analog synth.  It's only major
restriction is that all 6 voices must play the same sound.

I think that the Matrix-1000 would hack it for your analog sorts of sounds,
and you could pick up a K1 (m,r,|IIm,IIr,II) for more sampled-sounding things.
But, you can't load new samples into a K1, anymore than you can into a VFX.
The K1-II comes with an effects processor (the -r version ommits this, drat)
the combination of eight-bit samples, and processing and keyboard, makes a used
K1-II a reasonable sort of thing.  The sonic-accuracy crowd hates them, though.



Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Rhodes?  Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes!"
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |
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From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Korg M3R on the block
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:11:47 GMT

Korg M3R rackmount synth for sale
Asking $500; I'll pay shipping.

This is essentially an M1 in a box, minus the sequencer.  It has seen 
extremely minimal use (I can count on one hand the number of times the power
switch has been pressed :)) and is in perfect condition.  

The asking price is in keeping with the frequently posted used price list.
Please reply via email; it makes life easier for all of us.

LAiRD

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ljnelson@amh.amherst.edu            |          The Quintet-essential.
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Yamaha TG500: Opinions???
Keywords: Yamaha TG500 Opinions??
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:48:54 GMT

I was told that the TG-500 is the equivalant of 2 of the tone modules
in the SY85. Its sample playback - no FM.
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/4 questions
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:45:32 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <9210082027.AA05271@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>Would somebody who owns one and uses it in a studio please tell me how quiet
>is the quiet of a DP/4.

I got a DP/4 after I plunged into DAT and discovered just how noisy my
SPX-90's really were.  It is extremely quiet and I have no qualms about 
using a DP/4 with DAT.  Any noise you hear coming out of the DP/4 is 
noise that is being fed into the DP/4.  (Note: some of the "grunge"
algorithms on the DP/4 are a little noisy but that is part of their
purpose.)

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: metlay/eirikur fooled by vfx-sd
Summary: Analogishness vs. modularity
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:25:49 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <9210161343.AA11151@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>Remember, I view the concept 'analog' a lot differently than most people here.
>To me 'analog' represents flexibility in patchable architecture previously
>available only on monster modular analog machines. 

It may be that the meaning you've chosen for the word "analog" doesn't jibe
with what others mean when they say it. I had this trouble for a while, and
got out of it by using the terms (is the guy with the Lexicon of Synth Jargon
watching this? |-> ) "modular," "quasi-modular" and "hardwired" (thanx,
Devarahi). A modular machine has every sound generator in a separate box,
which is wired with patchcords (or the software equivalent thereof) to other
boxes. Your Polyfusion would count as a modular in that respect. A quasi-
mod machine has part of the chain hardwired (usually osc-filter-amp) with
patchcords available for patching in other modules where desired; this would
include the Korg MS series, the ARP 2600, the Xpander, and IMO the K2000.
A hardwired machine has a fixed architecture. Everything is connected to
everything else permanently and can't be rewired to go elsewhere, only 
turned off in some cases. Almost every synth on the market right now is
hardwired, although we are beginning to see quasi-mod features in boxes
like the SY99 et alii.

BTW, part of the K2000's appeal to me (aside from its lovely keyboard) is
its far more than superficial similarity to the Xpander....

-- 
metlay            | "By pressing down a special key
atomic city       |  We crash the little MTP"
                  | 
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From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam MIROWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: How can I make my MT-32 shut up  ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:07:43 GMT
Organization: Chorus systemes, Paris, France
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kaustell@viikki.Helsinki.FI (KIM OLAVI KAUSTELL (MATEK)) writes:
: Hello all !
: 
: I recently got my hands on a used Roland MT-32 sound module. Along with it 
: came the manuals, but I can't figure out the syntax (=the hex codes) to turn 
: off MIDI-channels of it's parts. The MIDI reference clearly states, that 
: this is by some means possible, and the shareware editor/librarian MT32EDIT 
: has this option. I'd prefer not to start a separate program to accomplish 
: this task. My Music Quest card has the software to send sysexes in a batch 
: file, so all I need is the sequence of hex codes to turn off midi from any 
: part.
: 
: All hints and other useful stuff concerning the MT-32 are most welcome and 
: highly appreciated !
 
    ;
    ;  Change the receiving channel 0..15 of a part, 16 if none.
    ;

.FD "MT_setChannel" 2
	; $1 - part number	1..9  (9 is rhythm)
	; $2 - channel number	0..16 (16 means OFF)
    .F0
	0x41 0x10 0x16 0x12
	.RE	; Reset $_Checksum to 0
	0x10  0x00  (0xC + $1)
	$2
	(128 - $_CheckSum % 128)
    .F7
.FE

So to shut off part 1, you send:

    F0  41 10 16 12  10 00 0D 10 53  F7

-- 
Adam Mirowski,  mir@chorus.fr (FRANCE),  tel. +33 (1) 30-64-82-00 or 74
Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:58:01 EDT
From:         "Homesh R. Lalbahadur (AED-FD)" <hlalbah@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Eps Sampler
Comments: To: synth-l@american.edu

Does anyone know whether the ENsoniq Eps or EPS+ will retain the sound patches
after the unit has been turned off?  Will I have to reload the sounds upon
powering up ?
Thank You.
From: hatter@cs.utexas.edu (John Eichenseer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: K2000 SCSI (Was: K2000 patches and samples ftp sites?)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:35:02 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <9210142154.aa17742@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>>Both the drives and the Kurzweil are connected
>>on the same SCSI bus.
>
>This cannot be right...

Well, the SCSI on the Ensoniq EPS seems to work in much the same way, which
seems counter-intuitive to my years in Macintosh support. I had a Mac II 
with an internal HD sitting on a bus with an EPS and an EPS-formatted
Syquest drive. I was actually trying to swap between Mac-formatted
cartridges and Syquest cartridges; this did not work because of device
driver issues. It can also be a bit risky; make sure you are thoroughly
backed up before you muck around with this kind of stuff. James 
McCartney completely destroyed all the data on an 80MB Mac drive 
with an EPS mishap. 

I would imagine that the EPS (and the K2000) are simply smart enough to
always look like slaves on the chain. As wierd and funky as SCSI is, it 
seems worth a shot to try things that shouldn't work. I have seen some
stuff happen in SCSI that is so far out of spec it just makes no sense.

regards,

jhno

cs.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: Re: What's With Wine Country (Prophet Stuff)
Summary: supply and demand
Organization: Atomic City
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:45:38 GMT

In article <Bw3pv9.6Hp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
>Who the hell are these people?  Why are they charging so much?

These people are the dudes that bought out the remaining stock of Sequential's
stuff when the company went under, and set themselves up as THE place to get
Prophets fixed. They charge what they can get, because they can get away with
it. Most people who own vintage synths are afraid to take their gear to a non-
"official" repair place, and Wine Country is the ONLY "official" repair place
for Prophets. Hence a captive market.

Not that I've been entirely happy with them myself. They charged me an awful
lot of money to swap in a new pressure sensor for my VS that doesn't work
all that well. Of course, when *I* bought manuals from them, I got a very
NICE photocopy. <shrug>

>	Ok.  So, I have a complete manual set for all rev of Prophet 5,
>Pro One, Polysequencer, Prophet 10 and External Keyboard.  I can also
>supply some parts and service for Prophet5/10 and Pro-One.  I can beat
>Wine Country's prices no problem.  If you need me, you know were to find me.
>They want to be capitalists, I give them some competition.  Fuckers.

Good luck, dude. You'll be doing a service, especially to Canadians. If
you decide to branch out, talk to me about VS and T8 literature.



-- 
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atomic city       | Do you?
                  | 
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From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: K2000 failures
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:25:00 GMT


Let me guess, they don't sell Kurzweil as a main line, right?  My advice is
to find another dealer.  The asshole you talked to was giving you a line.
To the best of my knowledge (based on my experiences and from talking to
Sweetwater service people), the only systematic problem encountered with
K2000s was with the keyboard connections to the system-board becomming
loose (presumably from the ride from South Korea).  I have had mine for 
about 7 months now and I have had no problem with heating.  However, it is
clear that I won't have to turn the heat on in the studio this winter while
the K2000 is running :-).

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: TPKLIN01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (THOMAS P. KLINGLAT)
Subject: Dr. T's and the Atari STe...
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:29:33 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11
Organization: University of Louisville

Any one with experience on DR. T's and the Atari 1040STe?  I need to get sysex
info and editor info...  Please respond!  

TPKLIN01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU
-TK
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: metlay/eirikur fooled by vfx-sd
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:59:00 GMT


Remember, I view the concept 'analog' a lot differently than most people here.
To me 'analog' represents flexibility in patchable architecture previously
available only on monster modular analog machines.  Apparently, when you
mention analog around here, people think of warm string sounds, vanHalen's 
Jump, or other polyphonic manifestations of the post-Prophet era.  What the
K2000 allows, and no other synthesizer including the Xpander offers, is a
method of stacking up to 24 sets of osc-->dynamic res filter-->amp combinations
where the <dynamic res filter> can actually be a number of DSP functions which
include just about any type of variable filter you would want.  In addition,
the K2000 allows you to use modulations very much as though you were using
patch cords on a modular synth.  While the Xpander allows this to a very large
extent using the matrix modulation, the kinds of controllers (and number of
them) which you have available are much more limited than what the K2000
allows.  In addition, the FUNs in the K2000 operate very much like some of
the very highly specializez ac/dc mixers (actually voltage integrators) in
modular systems which allow controllers to interact in ways which can only
be approximated by complex amplitude modulation (or ring modulation) in
simpler analog systems.  

When I think 'ultimate analog' I think about the Polyfusion system I had a
long time ago... only about 10 times the size.  The K2000 furnishes this kind
of power and doesn't take up a whole room.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak)
Subject: Re: Note Off Problems 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:48:32 CDT

In article <1992Oct8.132820.12584@gdstech.grumman.com> soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare) writes:
>In article <sgs.1sqs@terapin.com> sgs@terapin.com (Stan Sawyer) writes:
>
>The Ensoniq ESQ-1 has a sightly different problem with Note Off commands
>that this discussion reminded me of: namely, it sends "proper" Note Off
>commands (3-byte sequences beginning with hex 08), instead of the more
>
The ESQ-1 transmits release velocity.  too bad it doesn't respond to it
like my K5 does.
>
>- Scott O'Hare (soh@gdstech.grumman.com)                            -

Don
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: If you had $1500 to spend
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:45:15 GMT
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Oct13.045317.22276@ncsu.edu> doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu  
(Jeff House) writes:
|
|.... and you were interested in the following:
|
|	o 88 keys, preferably weighted
|	o MIDI capabilities
|	o Great PIANO sounds
|	o Great backup STRING sounds
|	o Ease in portability
|
|What would you spend your $1500 on?
|

A Proteus MPS-Plus.

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Research Associate      251 Mercer             fax:      212-995-4120
Academic Computing      New York, NY 10012     internet: galanter@nyu.edu
 
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From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Trans-X ??
Summary: Info on Pascal Languirand
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:02:12 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Oct14.193952.10232@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>The main guy behind Trans-X was a Canadian called Pascal Languirand.
>I have one of his albums called _Minos_ which is an ambient album a la
>Eno. I don't what he is doing lately though. I'd also be interested
>in knowing about other stuff Pascal Languirand was involved with.

Pascal has also released a New Age album called _Gregorian Waves_
which has been receiving airplay on radio shows like "Echoes" and
"Hearts of Space."  Nice stuff, though not very adventurous. He was in
the rock scene in Montreal in the 1970s; he may have been involved
with the bands Coitus and Afterglow, although I'm unclear on the details.
If you're curious about his earlier years, I'm sure we could get some
response out of John Rossi, who's a good friend of his.


-- 
metlay            | "By pressing down a special key
atomic city       |  We crash the little MTP"
                  | 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Crumar Roadrunner/2 electric piano?
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison WI
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.162255.1351@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:
>A much easier and more worthwhile hack is "fake reverb."  The sustain pedal
>input expects a simple switch, but if you plug in a potentiometer instead (I
>built  it in) you can get a sustain control for the envelopes.  This works
>great.

Wow! Now this is an r.m.s Shining Moment. Neat $2.00 hacks for 20-year-old
keyboards which are about as removed from "sought-after" as one could
imagine. I have the Sound City Model.

Other fun hacks: 
Wire some of the positive sides of the keyboard switches in common so that
chords will sound whenever a given note is struck. Possible setups: "auto
bass" config or "harmonic series" for lower notes.

All sorts of alternate tunings can be played with very easily via the
variable inductors on each of the 12 master oscillators. 

Take the positive sides of the key switches out to some kind of metal
structure with mutually insulated sections, like a fan of little stiff wires. 
This can then be played with a metal wand connected to ground. Voila, instant
"alternate" controllers. 


-- 
| Randy Jones           | "The electron tube is a marvelous device. It makes
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |  possible the performing of operations, amazing in
|                       |  conception, with a precision and a certainty that 
|                       |  are astounding."     -- RCA Receiving Tube manual 
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Sources for CEM VCOs? (Fixing a Roland SH101)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:05:30 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <GEORG.92Oct12122750@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.080730.22765@axis.se> ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) writes:
>
>   Apart from that, it seems to me that the Curtis chips are quite stable;
>   a few years ago I succeeded in plugging in the power supply cable wrong
>   for a voice board in a MemoryMoog (which also uses Curtis chips). 
>
>What??? Curtis chips in the MemoryMoog. I remember a Moog Newsletter,
>where they claimed that they had delveloped chips themselves, giving
>better sound than the MiniMoog, but polyphonic. No Moog filters in the 
>MemoryMoog??? Can you please tell me the numbers of the CEM chips in
>the MemoryMoog.
>
>Please enlighten me.
>
>	Georg.
Yes, the MemoryMoog had CEM chips in it. Back around 1984 thru 1986 I worked
at a technician in a music store in Austin, TX. and got to re-adjust all the
trimpots in about a dozen MemoryMoogs due to the blundering of another local
technician. I was surprised to see them in a Moog as well. I cannot remember
the CEM numbers but if my memory serves me, only the VCO's were Curtis chips
and were the same part number used by the Sequential Circuits Prophet-5 rev 3.0
and higher. I don't think the filters or envelope generators were CEM's.       

ObVintage Synths> Anybody see the latest Star Trek Next Generation episode
		  where Scotty returns after being trapped inside a transporter
		  for 75 years and finds himself out of place when dealing
		  with the new technology? That really struck home for me, 
		  re-entering the synth repair/modification game after a
		  6 year absence!!!!!!
=============================================================================
Neal Howard (neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org)        CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson,TX)
DoD #686   '91 XLH-1200      '70 Kawasaki G4-100cc    '69 Cougar XR7-GT390
	   Ensoniq VFX-SD    Kramer Pacer guitar      '70 429CJ(needs a home)
Disclaimer: The only above mentioned toys I play with on the below mentioned
	    Friday nights are the musical ones 8*}
"how often you get much more drunk than you ought to on a Friday night...
...about once a week" -  Tom Yates
===============================================================================
From: khaberl@bbn.com (Karl Haberl)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: K2000 failures
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:32:19 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: khaberl@bbn.com (Karl Haberl)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <50DE469660603332@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU> WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU writes:
>[rumour about K2000 failures at very high level deleted]
>
>Nobody that I know has had a K2000 failure. Even the ones that run
>Installing the fan is probably a good idea, though. One problem that
>the hot ones (no fan) seem to have is that their batteries run down
>faster.  Young/Chang require the fan be installed if any options such
>as more the 4meg sample RAM, internal hard drive, etc. are on board.

I've had my K2000 since April, with 8MB of RAM and no fan. I've not had a
single problem in that time. When the sampling option comes out, though,
I intend to take the opportunity to install the fan.


Karl Haberl               | "Having Dan Quayle for a VP is like having a flat
Internet: khaberl@bbn.com |  tire for a spare" - Father Guido Sarducci




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