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From: bdm@anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: MEQ #8: An Arab view of Zionists, 1914
Reply-To: bdm@anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:18:07 GMT

      MEQ #8.  An early Arab view of Zionism.

   I am certain that the idea of founding a Jewish state in Palestine
   does not occur to any reasonable and rational Zionist, as people
   say.  The Zionists come to this country to live.  They are educated,
   cultured people; they do not inflated their importance and they are
   united amongst themselves.  It is not just or humane that we should
   hate or despise this people.  On the contrary, we should imitate
   them and learn from their activities, which can give us a good and
   appropriate lesson and thereby we can give an important impetus to
   the progress of our husbandry and agriculture.

   But ... despite all this, we must keep an eye on them, for if we
   continue in our way and they in theirs, then all our lands will pass
   into their possession.  Our fellah is poor and impoverished, and
   the poor man is liable to surrender his land to keep himself alive.
   Therefore, the Government must pass a new law concerning the sale of
   land in Palestine, setting up known conditions and limiting them
   according to our position in the country.
   [Husayn al-Husayni, the President of the Municipal Council
    of Jerusalem, about 1914.  (This is NOT Hajj Amin, later
    Mufti of Jerusalem, but some distant relative.)]

   Source: N. J. Mandel, The Arabs and Zionism before World War I,
   Univ. California Press (1976), page 183, quoting Ha-Herut 30.3.1914,
   quoting al-Iqdam.

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Middle East Quotes is an occasional series of quotations on Middle
East history.  The editor does not necessarily approve of the sentiments
expressed in quotes, nor will he necessarily join in any discussion
they engender.  Contributions are welcome but will not necessarily be
accepted.  Full sources are essential.      Brendan McKay.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: More on Kuwiati Elections and Aftermath
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:29:39 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <Bw20DF.Hz3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>>In article <BvuoBs.KEx@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>>>I don't understand this. I thought you said Al Sabah's government lost and
>>>resigned?
>>>
>>>How can Al Sabah go and form a new government and head it when he'd already
>>>lost out to the opposition? Shouldn't the opposition who won the
>>>election be appointing someone to form and head the new government rather than
>>>the person who lost?
>
>>The power to form the cabinet is still in the hands of the Al-Sabah's. 
>>But under pressure from the national assembly and popular opinion, they
>>will pick cabinet portfolios accordingly.
>
>
>Now I'm really confused!!

It's really very simple.

>
>Let me try and get this straight. The Al-Sabah's picked a cabinet (which
>presumably weilds the power in Kuwait). This cabinet and its supporters lost
>at the elections so the Al Sabah's get to pick a new one?

The government resigned because it felt it had a mandate from the people to do
so.  The Emir, under the influence of this mandate, will be obligated to
appoint a cabinet representing the interests of those 

>
>What's to stop the Al Sabah's from loading the new cabinet with like minded
>people to the old cabinet since they appear to be the sole arbitrators?
>Does the National Assembly have a veto over who the Al-Sabah's pick?
>How enforcable is this veto if they have one, if the Al Sabah's dig their
>heels in?

Nothing other than political pressure, the threat of disgrace, and the
threat of a hostile assembly.

>
>Dave
>
>-- 


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate Jews !
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:52:24 GMT


In article <essa.719130934@ash.cs.scarolina.edu>, essa@cs.scarolina.edu (Ossama Ahmed Essa) writes:

>>Mubarek the president of Egypt allowing those Jewish saving groups
>>stepping on the holly Egyptian soil.
>
>  You know how much did it cost us to get the Israelis out of Egypt. Almost
>every family in Egypt lost a loved one because of the war between Egypt and
>Israel. Do you expect that the Egyptians will welcome those people? 
>

So what is the purpose of a peace agreement between the two countries?


>>Egyptians continue to die.
>
>  Poor guy, I can see tears in your eyes. Do you really give a damn about
>Egyptians dying.

I don't know about Gideon, but I do.


>Salam
>Ossama Essa


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Please excuse my English
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Has Israel done anything about Iraq yet ???
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:08:48 GMT
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia

In article <26836@castle.ed.ac.uk>, woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow) writes:
|> Path: titan!trlluna!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!europa.asd.contel.com!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!woody
|> From: woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow)
|> Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
|> Subject: Has Israel done anything about Iraq yet ???
|> Message-ID: <26836@castle.ed.ac.uk>
|> Date: 13 Oct 92 11:45:03 GMT
|> Organization: Edinburgh University
|> Lines: 20
|> 
|> During the Iraq/Kuwait Gulf conflict last year,  Israel took a lot of persuading
|> not to enter the war in retalliation for the Iraqi Scud attacks.  If I remember
|> right they said that they would do nothing at the time but WOULD do something
|> about it later.
|> 
|> Question is,  have they done anything yet ?   I'm surprised the Mossad haven't
|> sent a hit squad in to try and assassinate Saddam Hussein - maybe even killed
|> an innocent Norwegian waiter instead (like when they went chasing Ali Hassan
|> Salameh after the attack at the 1972 Olympics).
|> 
|> So, HAVE they done anything about Iraq yet ?

Has it occured to you that maybe the Mossad and CIA were guarding him, and 
kept him alive all along. After all, he did exactly what was expected of him.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: khaled@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Khaled El-Sayed) 
Subject: Re: EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate Jews !
Originator: gr-kme@druid.csc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: khaled@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:59:06 GMT

essa@cs.scarolina.edu (Ossama Ahmed Essa) writes:

>ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:


>>And I am wondering: suppose the Israeli saving units had arrived,
>>and suppose yjey will be about to save some Egyptians will those
>>Egyptians agree to be saved by Jews?
>>Or are they saying now:
>>" Those who are going to die bless you you the  ceasar! "

>  Egypt is suffering now. Lots of people were hurt. This is a natural disaster
>that shows how week is the man against the Nature. This is not the time to try
>to obtain a political or ethnic gain. Saying that Egypt couldn't make 
>without the help of Israel and they prefer to die than being helped by the 
>jews is pure nonsense. You don't know anything about Egyptians and how we care
>about our blood. We are trying to live in peace because we really suffered
>enough. It looks to me that you never had enough blood.

Let me add here the egyptian saying:

'El-baab elli yeegi laak minoh el-rieh,  seddoh wa estarieh', which
means 'if the wind blows from a particular door, close it and relax
yourself'. If Israel would have helped a bit in recovering from the
disaster and sending its trained units, who knows the price Egypt is 
going to pay. Sorry, Egyptian people will NEVER trust the israelis 
whether there is a treaty or not, yes let's live in peace, but no trust 
will exist until a fare solution is found and all the arab land is back
or this is at least what I hope!

Khaled

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From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate Jews !
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:10:15 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct15.220327.21164@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
>      I'm sick and tired of jumping into conclusions based on mere ASSUMPTIONS 
> (which were first introduced by Gideon Ehrlich in article 52537 in which he 
> assumes that Egyptians would rather die than have Jews rescue them.)
>      If one wants to go ahead and assume, he could come up with very 
> interesting stories (may be called MYTHS).
>      Any way, the point is YOU do not know why Egypt have refused Israel's
> assistance (if that is the case).  But one reason would come to mind is that,
> from the second day of the quake, it was too late to find any persons alive
> (after they had rescued that lucky lady).  So why should they require the
> assistance of teams that would have nothing to do but stand by and be a
> hurddle. What was left to do was simply clean the rubble and bury the
> dead; and Egypt would be able to do that.
> 

Just to re-introduce a reality check.  This mornings news had
reports of pulling a man out of the rubble just this morning,
82 hours under the collapsed building.

Any other reasons you care to propose?  Do you really not
want to do all possible to save the poor people buried
there?  Every day that passes, more people buried under
the rubble die.

Recall, that after the Iran earthquake two years ago, the
Israelis also offered aid (I think medical assistance)
and were refused.

		Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: adam@sparkle.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Subject: Re: DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:02:22 GMT

In article <22602@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>From: Gert van Velzen <gertv@ooc.uva.nl>
>DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS AND
>DETENTION CENTRES

While most of these sound pretty reasonable, I'd like to make comments
on a number of them.

>- To improve the conditions of medical treatment and to put an
>end to the policy of health negligence which is practiced
>against us. This is accomplished by urging the performance of
>surgical operations for the many cases which require it.
>  To stop transferring sick prisoners by prison cars since the
>absence of an ambulance adversely affects their health.

In the US, there have been multiple instances of prisoners escaping
from ambulances while receiving care for either real or fiegned
problems.

>- To improve the circumstances of the family visits through
>removing the net separating prisoners and families so that we
>may kiss our children and hug our family members. The waiting
>areas for families additionally warrant vast improvement, so
>that they will protect members from the cold of winter and the
>heat of summer.

In Boston, prisoners may only meet family members in a small, crowded
room, with 3 inches of plexiglass between them and their families.
They are not permitted to touch at all.  The waiting area beforea
visit is a corridor, in which no smoking is allowed.  The visitors,
despite the fact that they can not touch prisoners, are searched (with
highly sensitive metal detectors).  They are not allowed to have
anything in their pockets.  This is because things get smuggled in
regularly by visitors.


>  To halt the humiliating search procedure that family members
>are forced to undergo prior to each visit.
>  To be permitted to smoke during these visits.

This is not allowed in Boston, I doubt its allowed anywhere in the
world.  Cigarette boxes are great for smuggling things in.

>- To raise the salaries of the workers/prisoners so that it
>fits with existing living circumstances for their needs and
>also to guard against the possibility of work-related
>injuries.

No, duuuuuude, you're a prisoner.  The fact that prisoners get paid,
and are not forced to work are all well and good, but prisoners should
not be compensated on a free market scale.

I have no problem with guarding against workplace injuries.

Adam


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: mok@frigga.cs.wayne.edu (Mohammad Kanaan)
Subject: Test: Please Ignore.
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:45:12 GMT

this is my first time posting.
this is just a test.
Please ignore it


M. kanaan.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Alan Dershowitz on Bosnia
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct8.144623.8447@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>
>You just keep making these absurd and insulting remarks, and then
>you whine when people respond in anger. In Auschwitz, more than a 
>million people died in the course of 3 years or so, and for no
>reason at all but their race. In the Intifada, less than a thousand
>people died, during violent riots which also cost the lives of about
>a hundred Israelis. There is no comparison.

Less than a thousand?  Even if it were true, I suppose it doesn't
have any significance since "there is no comparison".

Your statements definitely prove that you agree with, and support
Dershowitz.  And to some, that isn't a compliment, Danny.

Anisa
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Hezbollah links Israeli prisoners' fate to Israeli occupation
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:40:39 GMT


 [ Article cross-posted without permission ]
 
 	SIDON, Lebanon (UPI) -- The pro-Iranian Hezbollah said Tuesday that
 the issue of six Israeli servicemen missing in Lebanon since 1982 was
 linked to Israel's occupation of Arab territories.
 	``The case of Israeli prisoners is related to the issue of...the
 Israeli occupation,'' Hezbollah official Mohammed Fneish told reporters
 in the port city of Sidon, 24 miles south of Beirut.
 	Hezbollah, the main group leading the Lebanese resistance movement,
has    pledged to combat Israel until it withdraws its troops from southern
 Lebanon.Israel controls a strip of land that stretches nine miles inside
 Lebanon.
 	Fneish said there was no way to compare between the missing Israeli
 soldiers and Sheikh Abdel Karim Obeid, a prominent Hezbollah leader who
 was snatched by Israeli commandes in the southern village of Jibsheet in
 July 1989.
 	Groups that have released Western hostages in Lebanon have demanded
 that Israel set free all prisoners as well as Sheikh Obeid in exchange
 for their captives and the Israeli soldiers.
 	``Obeid's kidnapping is a terrorist act that violates all
 international norms and human rights,'' Fneish said.
 	He called on all humanitarian organizations to exert pressure on
 Israel to free Obeid and some 250 Lebanese prisoners held at the Khiyam
 camp inside Israel's self-declared ``security zone.''
 	Fneish rejected any attempt to disarm his fundamentalist groups,
 saying that Hezbollah weapons were used to combat the Israeli
 occupation.
 	``It is our right and duty to continue resisting the occupying forces
 and no one has the right to ask us stop the resistance as long as our
 land is occupied,'' he said.
 	Hezbollah is the only militia to have refused to relinquish weapons
 in line with a Government plan to disarm all private militias.
 

Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:8474 soc.culture.soviet:8785
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Military coup in Russia ?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:31:39 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct16.132642.17210@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>Yesterday I listened to Prof. Sachs on CNN who is an American that
>helped Mr. Gaidar to devise the economic reforms in Russia.
>Dr. Sachs stated that economic situation in Russia has been going
>downhill very steeply for the last 3 months mainly because the
>reform plan was abandoned in favor of financing military-industrial
>complex by sharply increasing money supply (printing more money
>to pay for its production). The inflation is about 30% a MONTH,
>and should increase even higher. Dr. Sachs described current
>political situation as highly unstable because of economic one
>and said that a putsch is possible within a few weeks to a few months.
>Even if putsch does not happen, in December the newly reconvened parliament
>will probably give reformists and democrats an ax. In April
>when they met last, they gave a green light to reformers on the
>premise of huge foreign aid. There have been no aid at all - mostly
>due to economic turmoil in G7 countries.
>
>Oleg V

You know, there is something very wrong with American media in the first      place.  Second of all, even though CNN is a decent news program, it doesn't
have all the facts and data needed to analyze the situation fully. I am
not an economist nor prophet, and the only info that I get is the stuff
that I hear from the people who just got here or visiting, or from the 
letters of my friends.  However, my main point is that the universal opinion
is that economic situation is not as bad as it seems to be from the point of
view of Westerners.  Kak govoritsa, "ne tak chert strashen kak ego malyuut."
The impression that I get is something like, "yes, the inflation is fucking
high, and the money is not easy to earn but the goods are _available_, and
if you know the way to make money (even by working as a warehouse worker),    then it will be OK at some point in future.  Another thing... Virtually all
American economists spelled doom for the Soviet system. When the system
did exist, they were praising its power and scoffing at its economic system.
Now, the system is no more, they describe how weak it was, when it was in
place. So, their focus changes with the circumstances around it.  If you
would believe von Hayek, the Soviet system was doomed in 1917, and shouldn't
have lasted more than 5 years after the Civil War.  About the aid... I
thought that the aid package for Russian and xSU republics has cleared Con-   gress? Am I wrong?

Shura.
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: More Russian threats against ESTONIA
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:59:47 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


I found this in my email and post it forward:
(a quotation follows:)

RUSSIA THREATENS SANCTIONS AGAINST ESTONIA


    LONDON, Oct 13, Reuter - Russian vice-president Alexander Rutskoi
threatened on Tuesday to impose harsh economic sanctions against
Estonia unless it allowed Russians settled there to stay on as
citizens.

    Rutskoi told the British Broadcasting Corporation in a television
interview that if Moscow imposed sanctions on the small Baltic state
they would have a crippling effect.

    "Within one week the economy and industry of Estonia would grind
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to a halt," he told the BBC's "Assignment" current affairs programme.
^^^^^^^^^
    Many Russians, who make up more than 40 per cent of Estonia's
population, were moved to the country as part of a deliberate policy
by the former Soviet Union to subdue Estonian nationalism, the
Assignment programme said.

    For 50 years Estonians were forced to speak Russian but since
the collapse of the Soviet Union last year Estonian was made 
the official language.

    Now, tough new language laws have been introduced forcing ethnic
Russians living in the country to pass an exam in Estonian -- regarded
as one of the most difficult languages in the world -- before being
granted full citizenship.



sent with the emphasis by
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
Subject: First Lady Visit to the Bay Area
Originator: nahabed@nmtvs296
Keywords: Armenia, Ter-Petrossian
Reply-To: nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:56:58 GMT

Mrs. Lucy Ter-Petrossian, wife of Armenia's President Levon Ter-Petrossian,
is visiting the Bay Area. A presentation by Mrs. Ter-Petrossian titled 
"Post-Soviet Reforms in Armenia" is scheduled for Friday, October 9 at
12:00 noon in Sproul Rooms, International House, UC Berkeley (2299 Piedmont 
Avenue).

The event is co-sponsored by the Center for Slavic and East European Studies, 
International and Area Studies, Uinversity of California, Berkeley, and the
the American University of Armenia.

There will be an informal reception following the presentation. The public is
invited to attend.
---
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: GP: RAINBOW WARRIOR IN RUSSIA
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:33:20 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1483700094@igc.apc.org>, christic@igc.apc.org 
(Christic Institute) writes:> 
> RUSSIAN FAR EAST WELCOMES RAINBOW WARRIOR INTO VLADIVOSTOK  
> 
> VLADIVOSTOK, Russia October 5, 1992 (GP) The Rainbow Warrior,
> flagship of the international environmental group Greenpeace
> arrived today into the Russian Far Eastern port of Vladivostok.
> The ship is embarking on a four week campaign in the region
> starting with a 10 day visit to Vladivostok. The ship will then
> head north and make port calls to Nahodke and Vanino.  
> 
> 
> The entrance of the Rainbow Warrior into Vladivostok today, is
> the result of the citizen to citizen diplomacy that has
> challenged the secrecy surrounding the nuclear navies reluctance
> to tell the truth. 
> 
> Faith Doherty        SV Rainbow Warrior  +872 1300312 Phone       
>                                   +872 1300313 Fax
> 
> Eleonor O'Hanlon     Greenpeace Russia   +7 095 2519073 Phone     
>                                     +7 095 2519088 Fax 


You are doing the right thing: it's that kind on "campaigns" we need
the most in the post-soviet conditions!

with the best regards

Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
A modest member of Greenpeace
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.jewish