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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ExpandPath call in System 6
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:49:43 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr7.120453.25303@actrix.gen.nz> David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>After getting System 6, I was somewhat puzzled that some of the
>APW/ORCA utility programs that I'd written seemed to be converting
>filenames to uppercase (which they definitely hadn't done under 5.0.4).
>
>I've tracked it down to the ExpandPath call.  It appears that if you
>supply a pCount of 2 (leaving off the 'flags' parameter), System 6
>assumes that you want to convert the filename to uppercase, while
>System 5.0.4 assumes you don't.  (The 'convert to uppercase' option is
>enabled by setting bit 15 of the 'flags' parameter, provided pCount is 3.)
>
>Can any of the System Software team comment on this change?  Why was
>it deemed necessary?
>
>The net result was that my copy program was converting all filenames
>to uppercase, which wasn't very nice.

As far as I can see, there is no change here--I tried ExpandPath with
5.0.4 and 6.0 in the Exerciser CDA, and it's correctly using a default
flags value of $8000 (as advertised in the source, but not mentioned
one way or the other in the GS/OS Reference).

Under both 5.0.4 and 6.0, I'm getting uppercase pathnames with either
2 parameters, or with 3 parameters & a flags value of $8000.  To get
it not to mess with the capitalization, use 3 parameters & a flags
value of 0.

I don't know what's going on with your copy program, but it must be
something else....
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My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: rheinze@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Time in place
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:30:46 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

On my IIgs with Sys 6 installed it turn on the MenuTime
and watch the time appear on the menu bar.  However,
the time pops up in the middle instead of on the right
corner.  How come?  It used to pop up on the right.

Now it comes up in the middle right over top of something else.

(that's supposed to be I turn it on in the first line)
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Lovin' System 6
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:55:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr6.091659.13846@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>Things I like and appreciate: Credits in the Tools2 disk, like at
>the end of a movie (Uh oh, this isn't the end of the GS, is it?),

	I like the credits too.. as I'm in 'em..  It's not *quite* as good 
as being in the Finder help, but it's certainly better than nothing.
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From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:23:29 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr12.115403.23575@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (This is not really my name) writes:

>shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:
>
>>I work for Ron Lichty with the Macintosh Finder Team.
>
>Uh-Oh.

Why "Uh-Oh"?  When I came to work at Apple I was told to work on the Finder for
System 6.  Now that Finder 6.0 is done, it's time for me to move on and do
something new.  Some people have suggested that I was forcibly "re-assigned"
and told that I had to leave Apple II-land.  I left of my own free will because
I thought it was time for me to go -- I'm just a journeyman programmer at a
new stage of his travels.

andy

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From: IBY236@URIACC.URI.EDU (Andy Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: NTSC-->AppleColor RGB?
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:19:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:39:13 EST Wayne Sheffield said:
>In <92097.172453CTCOLE@MTUS5.BITNET> CTCOLE@MTUS5.BITNET writes:
>

   Stuff removed to save space!

>ComputerEyesGS has a card that will receive input from any MTSC source, and
>display it on your monitor.
>
>                   Wayne Sheffield
>     FIDO: 1:275/48  Pro-Line wsheffield@pro-ace
>
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    Wow!  I didnt know computereys GS could do this....It makes it worth
 the 200+ bucks!  Does anyone know if the visionary also does this?  Id
 rather get it than computer eyes!

 +--------------+-------------------------+----------------------------+
 |  Andy Kress  |  Univ. of Rhode Island  |  IBY236 AT URIACC.URI.EDU  |
 +--------------+--------+----------------+----------------------------+
 | RI has to be one of the hardest places to get II support!  Ahhhh!!  |
 +-----------------------+---------------------------------------------+
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wizardary's operating system
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:39:28 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <rdippold.702595776@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us (John Hood) writes:
>>Ah, memories-- I worked for Sir-Tech on the IBM PC versions of these
>>and helped with the Apple II versions...
>
>Ah, maybe you can tell us then who wrote the copy protection, so we
>can hunt him down and kill him!  Even years later, that was still one
>of the worst programs to try to back up, even though I knew exactly
>what had to be done.  And the real bitch was that these were
>legitimate backups - I wore out more than one Wizardry disk.

(1) find somebody with a Wildcard, Snap Shot board, or whatever.
(2) get a disk to store files on.
(3) start the game, take a picture after you get past the copy protection
    check (it's at the point where it will ask you for the player disk).  Save
    this this to the second disk.
(4) start the game, go to the utilities menu, take another picture.  Save this
    on the same disk.  When you want to play, either use the loader that came
    with the board or get creative and write your own.
(5) throw the $#%$*! master out the window.  Or keep using it, and then
    laugh at it the next time it decides to die.

This scheme will also help people with non-standard drives who tend to get
screwed by certain protection schemes (e.g. Broderbund's quarter tracking).

You lose the title sequence, but hey - you can take a picture of that too.
The 80-column firmware trick would probably work for the first two in the
series, in case you have an enhanced //e or //gs.


If you're interested in this sort of stuff (especially since you can't get
replacement disks for most ][ stuff these days), I suggest you subscribe to
COMPUTIST.  Probably best that we don't turn this group into
comp.sys.apple2.cracking.

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fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: mle@ausom.oz.au (Michael Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:18:18 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma) writes in response to my
System 6 and PC Transporter problems.

I have solved them. When I had installed System 6 I carefully had put all my
old System into a folder to take out what I needed after installation. I
forgot about the ProDos patch to ensure the PCT memory could be used as a
Pro Dos ram disk. Problem number one solved.

Then I went to the CDA control panel and found that it was unstable - flashing
between any choice between the control panel and any of the sub choices.
So I went to the Transwarp menu and turned AppleTalk/IRQ to "off". Control
Panel worked. Problem Two solved.

I had a few crashes, but no luck in using Cntrl-Reset. I then read about Easy
Access and Close View on the Net and removed them. Problem Three solved.

Then I booted PCT and found that the PCT control Panel could be selected but
I could not move past number one choice. I also found that I could not read
from the PC Transporter Drive 5.25 connected as Slot 5 Drive 1. I tried
everything. Then I thought maybe all the problems were Easy Access and Close
View and NOT the TransWarp and AppleTalk/IRQ switch. So back to the CDA
Control Panel on the GS side, and configuration of the TransWarp, and flipped
to AppleTalk/IRQ "on". Presto PCT 5.25 and control panel OK. GS control panel
works fine - in fact everything except my grat Finder icons appear and work
with System 6.00.

So, all I can say is with all the permutations, the System 6.0 team have done
an unbelieveable job in getting it virtually right from the word go.

My congratulations to them.

Michael
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From: efr@pro-applebcs.UUCP (Ernest Roshier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6 & PC Transporter
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:45:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-applebcs]

I have been using PCT for five years now, through three or four system
revisions, and have had no problems till I installed System 6. I now find
that I can run PCT, but when I move to the PC Transporter Main Menu
(Shift-CapLocks), I am moved into that menu area but the screen is frozen.
The only thing I can do at this point is to shut down my system and do a
hard re-boot.  If anyone is using PCT & System 6, please E-Mail ne so we
can talk. "Thanks" Ernie
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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:17:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr6.143519.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> blender@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>[...]
>My question is, is this launcher available within applications, or is it just
>for when the finder bombs out? And would the guys from Apple consider making it
>available from every 16-bit application?

The Program Launcher pops up whenever you Quit from an application and there
is nothing to quit *to*.

How should it show up under program control?  As a Transfer To... feature?
(No, there's no provision for that.)
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Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
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My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Sys 6 prob: Disk Witch Arrow Keys
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:50:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <92099.20330834II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (John Goggan) writes:
>I hope this hasn't been discussed already -- I've been reading/watching for as
>to not repost a suspected "problem," but may have missed it.  If so, sorry...
>However, I don't think it has been discussed...
>
>With System 6 loaded, if I use the DiskWitch CDA, I have no keyboard control
>what-so-ever -- the mouse controls things fine (although it seems incredibly
>"sped up"), but the keyboard (except for MAYBE ESCape) does nothing.  Once
>I exit it (by using the mouse), then things return to normal...  Any ideas?

Sounds like Easy Access again.  (DiskWitch must be reading the keyboard
with interrupts turned off, which is incompatible with Easy Access.)

Solution:  Either slow down your key repeat (standard works okay), or
inactivate or remove EasyAccess (in System.Setup).

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Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: FontSel 1/1
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:35:19 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr11.220051.12882@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:
>Uhh... Doesn't pointless only save a 12 point font bitmap? I haven't been
>able to save selectable sizes... (Otherwise I'd be using Davy's Other Dings)

See the documentation, page 39.

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fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: tonyh@pro-scat.cts.com (Tony Hamaoui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: **** APPLE IIGS SYSTEM FOR SALE ****
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:17:33 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

Hou much for the 2400 baud modem? E-mail me back.

  thanks
  tony hamaoui
   tonyh
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From: wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple ][ stuff for sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:29:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-ace]

>post.. Nobody else minds except you..

Not quite true.  Several of us mind, it's just that Ian is the only one
with enough gonads to speak up.  If anyone wanted what you are/were
selling, they would have contacted you by now.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: ProTERM 3.0 global macro to switch between 38400 and 57600
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:55:21 GMT

Hi,

the Zilog is timed with 3.86nnn etc. MHz, not the internal clock. Look
at your GSs schematics, then you'll see :)

The GS CAN go up to 57,600 ... it has great difficulty actually keeping
up with that speed, though, but that's another story altogether :)

Soenke
From: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Supra Corp.
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:22:49 GMT
Reply-To: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
Organization: Guerrilla Networking Project
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <blaby.703135665@sfu.ca> (comp.sys.apple2), blaby@fraser.sfu.ca (John Edward Blaby) writes:
> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
> 
> <Much info punted>
> 
> 
> >IF
> >hardware handshaking cables are the same between IIgs/Mac then all you need
> >to do is throw away the software...
> 
> 
> This raises a point that is pertenent to me! Is the Mac/IIgs hardware
> handshaking cable the same? I am currently using the Mac cable on my
> GS with the new Supra modem. I have to go through a lot of crap to get
> a highspeed connection. If there is a difference in the cable, that
> would explain it!
>  
> >Ed
> 
> >--
> >Ed Watkeys (Drexel U. Comp Sci)  "...if you wish to strive for peace
> >edw@caligula.cts.com              of soul and pleasure, then believe;
> >edw%caligula@phlpa.pha.pa.us      if you wish to be a devotee of truth,
> >ls.com!phlpa!caligula!edw         then inquire...." -- Nietzsche
> 
> 
> John		blaby@sfu.ca
> 
Well, I asked that question a bit ago, and I got one responce via email which,
if I recall, asked me to tell them when I found out. My advice to a person
with a II in need of hardware handshaking is to buy the cable from inSync
(602/992-5515). I think they're $15, and while some people call that expensive,
I remember paying $39.95 for my Apple Personal Modem to IIc cable...

I would still like to know, like you, if the Mac hardware handshaking cable
is the same as the IIgs one.

BTW, the trouble you're having may may not be from the cable -- I had enough
trouble getting my 2400 v.42bis to do compression... I finally got it working
by looking through the manual entries for *every* AT command... Lots-o-fun...

Ed

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: meekins@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Subject: Re: ORCA/C 1.3
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:41:46 GMT

In article <484@msisun.msi.co.jp> kuroda@msisun.msi.co.jp (Hisao Kuroda) writes:
>Hello.
>I am a user of Orca/C, but I can't get no satisfaction.
>In version 1.2 it has terrible bugs and almost useless.
>In version 1.3 some of them were fixed, but more likely to crashes.
>
>Does anyone compile following code ?
>It will crash on my environment. (1.25M ROM01 Orca/C 1.3 Vulcan-100)
>If you can compile following, please mail me your environment.
>

I noticed you had lots of expressions of the form aaa = xxx ? yyy : zzz.
Everyone version of Orca/C I've seen has trouble with this trinary
operations, mostly when they're nested, like you had them. Try breaking them
into if/then/else and see if that fixes anything.

TIM MEEKINS                    Ask me about GNO/ME! - MultiTasking on a IIGS!
meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu     Procyon, Inc. 1005 N Kingshighway, Suite 309
meekins@bluemoon.uucp          Cape Girardeau, MO 63701   (314) 334-7078
                          
      "Computers aren't intelligent, they just think they are."
From: bmcaldwell@CIVIL.WATSTAR.WATERLOO.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: (none)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:16:40 GMT
Organization: The Internet


I'm having problems obtaining GSHK 1.0.5 from comp.binaries.apple2
I've seen numerous messages about it being there, but I can't find
anything that has a date stamp later than 1991!  Can someone tell
me which directory it is in?  Here's what I have tried.

        ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
        anonymous
        bmcaldwell@civil.watstar.waterloo.edu
        cd usenet
        cd comp.binaries.apple2
        cd GS
        cd (every directory there, I still can't find it)
        dir

I know I'm missing something somewhere, but what?  Thanks in advance.

Brian.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems on IIgs
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:22:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.225759.29517@unlv.edu>, sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
|> One more comment on high-speed modems and DTE rates:  sometimes the
|> high DTE isn't really necessary.  Supra's v.32bis does support up to
|> 57.6K, but the only time you'll push anywhere near that--or even near
|> 38.4K, for that matter--is if you send lots of text with repetitive
|> patterns. ...
|> 
|> Bottom line:  if you're a file leech, there's not much use for
|> super-fast DTE rates.  The only real use for a fast DTE rate is if you
|> do unattended transfers of large quantities of uncompressed text.

This may be so, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking *average*
speeds here.  Sure, I'm not likely to deliberately download an uncompressed
file of a million spaces, unless I want to test (read: show off) my system
or something.  But will a v.32bis/v.42bis modem connected to a 38.4K bps DTE
"buffer" short bursts of highly compressed text which it cannot send to the
DTE fast enough to keep up with the other modem?  For example, uncompressed
text files with fixed-length lines that are right padded with spaces, or
text records in which each field is padded with spaces up to the first column
of the next field.  Or will the modem not even try to do v.42bis compression
because the DTE is too slow?

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From: dig@pro-iisysops.cts.com (Doug Granzow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Comp.sys.apple2 -> FIDO
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:10:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-iisy.dc00643
Organization: ProLine [pro-iisysops]

wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield) writes:

>
>        Does anyone know of a way to port the comp.sys.apple2 feed over to
>a FIDO system?
>

C.s.a2 is carried on Metronet, which apparently is some form or subset of
FidoNet. I've seen it on the L&L Support BBS (which runs Fruity-Dog, the GBBS
FidoNet-mailer), so you could call there (702-322-5551) to find out more
about it.


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From: IO20043@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Sound CDEV - "you have mail" ?!
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:35:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92099.143526IO20043
Organization: University of Maine System

I believe it's for use with the online service "America Online."
It seems to work like that for me anyway.

Terry
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS Moria Source Code...
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:19:03 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BMGp8H.AqL@world.std.com> lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green) writes:
>Original source code for Moria (in C) is available via 
>FTP from kulkulcan.berkeley.edu in /pub/wilson/...
>There are several different machines' source code there, 
>including the Mac.
>
>The main reason to obtain from there: Mr. Wilson is the
>original author and maintains conformity across platforms
>with each version. I think the current version is 5.3.1.
>You would do well to port that instead since many bugs/
>logic errors from 4.8.3 have been corrected since then.

I think there's a misconception here.  4.83 is ALREADY ported, and has some
GS-specific code in it.  The best thing to do would be to get 5.31 and add
the //gs stuff from 4.83 into it.

As I said before though, it isn't of wide-enough interest to post.  I for one
would like to see it on an archive site though.

>Kevin S. Green / lucifer@world.std.com / {xylogics;uunet}!world!lucifer
>               /America Online: Gargoth

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2