From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XV, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:40:47 GMT
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


       I made the following transcript from a tape recording of
       a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station 
            WBAI-FM (99.5)
            505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
            New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                          (continuation)
DAVID LIFTON:
Now that is the evidence that something happened between Dallas and
Bethesda. And the consequence of that medical alteration -- if it
occurred -- is that the Dallas doctors thought that something exited
from the rear of the head. The Bethesda doctors thought that
something entered from the rear and blew out the top. Did the
doctors recognize it?  Was this a perfect medical forgery?  
Absolutely not.  They did recognize it because the FBI documents
that I've obtained under the Freedom of Information Act indicate
that the FBI wrote down what the doctors said. So if I'm correct,
my interpretation not only goes to what happened on the body, but
what happened in the room. In other words, to paraphrase the old
question from Watergate: What did the doctors know, and when did
they know it.  Well, according to the FBI, the doctors IMMEDIATELY,
and I stress, immmediately recognized that there had been surgery
of the head area -- namely, in the top of the skull. That's what I
think the record shows in this case.
         
This is not some kind of a perfect crime! It's a very sloppy crime.
I think that a special prosecutor ought to question these doctors
who are still alive -- and they MUST be questioned before they pass
on. I think that we would get some stunning new information about
this case because I personally interviewed one of the FBI agents,
and I know that he's going to stand behind his statement, contrary
to a foolish affidavit, excerpted in some weird fashion and
published by professor Blakey in a report in which they tried to
make it appear that the FBI agents said that this was not true.

So that's what happened in the area of the head. I believe that the
configuration of the wounds was changed.  Now, in the area of the
neck we have a similar problem. We have a tracheotomy, supposedly,
according to the sworn testimony of Doctor Malcolm Perry in Dallas,
done through the neck wound. That tracheotomy, Doctor Perry told me
in 1966, was two to three centimeters. And according to everybody
there, it had neat edges -- neat edges as made with a knife. I
would be more than willing to testify before any investigation that
Perry told me that it was two to three centimeters, in 1966, and to
offer my telephone interview tapes as evidence. In 1966, I
interveiewed all the doctors on this issue of the length of the
tracheotomy incision. At the Dallas end of the line it was two to
three centimeters -- four, some of them said. There's one or two
stragglers who say it was a little bit bigger. But Perry made the
incision. He told me it was two to three centimeters. In the
autopsy report, that thing is listed as six-and-a-half centimeters
with widely gaping edges. And under oath, [Dr.] Humes said it was 
seven to eight centimeters, and it has, according to the autopsy 
report, widely gaping irregular edges.  So that is the issue: that
something happened to the throat wound between Dallas and Bethesda.

Now, if it was an entry wound, as the Dallas doctors originally
alleged and believed -- if a bullet or fragment entered at the front
of the throat and lodged, as most of them believed, at the top of
the right lung, isn't it interesting that when the body was opened
at Bethesda, where the Dallas doctors thought there was a bullet,
the Bethesda doctors found a bloody bruise with a pyramid-shaped
scar. That's circumstantial evidence, of course, but I think it's
probative.  So that's the situation.  I believe that there was
bullet extraction from the area of the throat too.  All of this put
together raises again this question of probability. Can all these
doctors ..... can this pattern be an accident?  Can we simply be
looking at mistaken medical observations, mistaken FBI reports,
mistaken observations of those who know what kind of casket was used?
I think not. I think this is the kind of stuff that the can opener
of a special prosecutor could pry wide open.

GARY NULL:
Okay.  That's a good presentation. Now we're going to summarize
here for a moment. What you're suggesting is that there is hard
evidence, good documentation that the casket and the state of the
President's body that left Dallas is not the same casket and state
of the President's body that arrived in Bethesda.

DAVID LIFTON:
Right.  There's not only a break in the chain-of-possession, but
there is alteration of the evidence.

GARY NULL:
Alright.  So they altered evidence. Now if this were put on trial,
that would be a major issue.

DAVID LIFTON:
That would be a major allegation. I can also guide you a little bit,
if you wish, into the way that the rebuttal would work so the
reader can understand the nature of this problem.

GARY NULL:
Okay.  I'm going to ask you to hold onto that thought because
there's a lot more information. Now we're going to go, in just a
few moments, over to our other guest, Doctor Cyril Wecht, on this
issue.  There is also the Leibeler Memorandum which I want to talk
about.  And I want to talk about some new information and the
emergence of a new hypothesis.  I want to talk about the Seibert
and O'Neill Report.  And I want to look at the X-rays and the
photographs, and the allegations of Doctor John Ebersole, and some
of the comments from the House Select Committee in 1978. Alright?
We'll be doing that in a few moments. 

I do want to mention to our audience that three times a year, here
on WBAI, non-commercial, public, free-access radio, part of the
Pacifica Network, that we must take a break to do some fund-raising
so that we can continue paying our bills. We're going to come back
to our guests in about ten minutes and continue on with this
information, presenting more documentation that the American Public
has not been made privy to, but which it must in order to make
reasonable judgments about the conclusions drawn by the Warren
Commission; about the role that the media has played in the
official position, and what this means.

Yesterday, you heard us talk about the fact that various members of
Organized Crime were implicated in this, and certain middle-level
members, by name, of the CIA; certain members of the FBI, by name,
such as Guy Bannister; the pro and anti-Castro movements [involving]
Oswald, and the fact that, up to this point, we cannot find 
evidence that Oswald was implicated in the assassination. It's so
easy to have a single gunman, a single person, and end it there.
But we CANNOT end it there if the evidence doesn't indicate that it
should be ended there. And it does not. And so we're looking hard,
and we're looking where mainstream media either has chosen not to
look, or has looked and chosen not to accept the evidence.
                     (to be continued)
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    Now that we know that they have systematically deceived and 
    betrayed the American People, that they have subverted our   
    democracy, that they have replaced our democracy with their 
    oligarchy, their plutocracy .... now that we know, do we intend
    to do something about it, or do we intend to just lay back and 
    accept our gradual decline into totalitarianism and poverty?
    The ruling elite intends to dissolve the American People's liberty 
    and prosperity so gradually that it won't upset us enough to 
    drive us to rebel. As patriotic citizens, we must care enough   
    about our inalienable rights and about our human dignity to 
    uphold them. As loving parents, we must care enough about the
    the dignity and the human rights of our children to redouble our
    resolve to defend their most precious legacy.

    Daniel Sheehan and Gary Null are striving to inform the people of the 
    truth concerning the Government-sponsored political assassinations 
    and their cover-ups which have crushed the people's democratic spirit
    throughout the past thirty years. They also want the American people
    to know that President Kennedy was trying to stop the ruling elite
    from concocting a major war in Vietnam, and that's why they murdered
    him. They then went on to murder fifty-eight thousand young Americans 
    of my generation and two million Vietnamese people. The ruling elite 
    fabricated the Vietnam War and the Persian Gulf War strictly for profit
    and for their greater world empire. The ruling elite increase their
    wealth by robbing us of our earnings in so many subtle ways, and 
    they increase their power by robbing us of our liberties.

    We must all unite in our common defense, for we are all suffering, 
    and we will suffer increasingly as victims of the ruling elite   
    who have never relaxed in their neurotic pursuit of ever-greater
    wealth through ever-greater domination of our people and of all 
    peoples of the world.

    These old men who rule from the shadows showed us the magnitude of
    their evil when they scattered President Kennedy's brains all over
    the streets of Dallas. They have had some thirty years in which to 
    intensify their power by usurping our democratic power. We haven't 
    a day to waste. Please write to Daniel Sheehan and express your
    support for his public-interest lawsuits against Government crimes 
    and the cover-ups which are fabricated under the duplicitous guise 
    of "the national security".

                 Daniel Sheehan, Lead Attorney
                 The Christic Institute
                 8773 Venice Blvd.
                 Los Angeles CA 90034           (310) 287-1556

    John DiNardo
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