From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:43:13 GMT

In article <9301052244.31@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>In article <VEAL.597.726250033@utkvm1.utk.edu> VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>>In article <9301041902.48@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>In article <93003.141102GUNDEVIL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Shooting Club at ASU <GUNDEVIL@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>>>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>>>>In article <9212311249.09@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>>>>What most people in this thread want is the right for anyone to just
>>>>>>walk into Fred's Gun Store, plunk down the money, and walk out with
>>>>>>the gun and ammo of choice.
>>>>
>>>>>Since there don't seem to be any benefits to policies other than that,
>>>>>what's so unreasonable about it?
>>>>
>>>>Yup.
>>>>
>>>>>>I maintain that I wouldn't want to live in a state like that, as it
>>>>>>would rapidly turn into a scenario like Beirut.
>>>>
>>>>  You're wrong Rick, any documentation to support the Beirut scene ?
>>>
>>>I'm wrong only in that everyone does not go to Fred's store and buy
>>>a handgun.  Obviously, some people don't feel that they will have 
>>>to shoot anyone in the forseeable future.
>>
>>       Under this "definition" you will never, ever have to worry.  So long 
>>as one person does not go down to "Fred's" store, not "everyone" will have a 
>>gun.
>
>Except in Kennesaw(spelling?), Georgia.  But I do believe strongly in
>home defense, although I believe that the best home defense weapon is
>a shotgun.

       To the best of my knowledge, Kennesaw did not require those who, for
some reason, would not use a gun (religion, ethics, etc.) to own one.  It 
was more symbollic than anything else.

>>>>  You'll find plenty of evidence on this bbs supporting the armed
>>>>  society in the USA as a peaceful society.  Keep reading.
>>>
>>>That doesn't seem to be so in the state of Florida.
>>
>>        We're doing OK here in East Tennessee.  I understand some of the 
>>Western states are doing real well.  Looks like we have evidence on both 
>>sides of the spectrum, and the only thing they would seem to agree on would 
>>be that gun ownership alone is not the problem, but at bare minimum 
>>operating along with something else.
>
>Hmm.  Someone else said that it was against the law for civilians to
>carry guns in Tennessee.

        You jump subjects pretty quick.  Above you were talking about home 
defense, now you're talking about carry.

        Try and pay attention:

        Gun ownership in East Tennessee is quite high.  Very high in many 
places.

        It is illegal, according to state law, for a civilian to carry a 
firearm either open or concealed.  (It's a misdemeanor.)  

        People do it anyway.

        Clear enough? 

>>>>  Rick would probably not be comfortable in Arizona.
>>>>  Discounting the recent hysterical flurry of unConstitutional (both
>>>>  Arizona and the Federal) laws here, fall-out from the elections; one
>>>>  may purchase and carry a handgun almost anywhere in Arizona.  The
>>>>  only major infringement is our 'concealed holster' regulation,
>>>>  both while transporting in your vehicle, or for personal carrying.
>>>
>>>I have been in Arizona, and never saw anyone carrying a handgun except
>>>for police officers.  I did see a lot of long guns racked on pickup
>>>truck gun racks.
>>
>>       Come visit Knoxville.  You won't actually see people carrying 
>>guns here, either.  :-)       
>
>So you're saying that a lot of people just carry concealed weapons,
>no matter what the laws say?

       Bingo.  Give the man a cigar.  That's exactly what I said.  But then,
Tennesseeans seem to take their state government even less seriously than 
most people.

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