From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: FACTS EVERY ISRAEL BASHER MUST AVOID!
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:16:36 GMT


Sandra, please don't try to counter arguments with propaganda.


In article <1992Jul16.074139.2910@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>In article <1992Jul15.001332.12890@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>In other words, in nearly 40 years of hijacked and bombed airplanes, 
>
>...Hijacked and bombed homes of Palestinians...

Homes don't get hijacked.  

>...Hijacked and bombed border of Lebanon...

Nor do borders.  And you know that the bombs came across the Lebanese 
border into Israel before they started going the other way, too.
Are you accusing Israel of daring to fire back?

>>fire-bombed buses,
>
>...bombed cars of West Bank mayors Bassam al-Shaka and Karim Khalef...
>...bricks thrown through windows of all girls school, injuring six
>   and seven year old girls...

I do hope that you are not confusing terrorism with vandalism.
Otherwise, what is going on here in New York City under the nose
of the UN Security Council should really terrify them.

>> stabbed tourists,
>
>...stabbed Palestinians...Palestinians missing limbs...

You know full well that almost 100% of Palestineans who have been
stabbed or lost limbs in recent years have suffered these tragedies 
at the hands of other Arabs.  Don't forget that hacking to death with 
an axe is a popular method among Palestineans, not among Israelis.

>> exploded synagogues,
>
>...21 worshippers murdered in Al-Aqsa...

Rioters, not worshippers.  They were killed while attacking the police.

>...exploded mosques near the Western Wall to accomodate a new 'plaza'...

Hysterical delusion.  Never happened.
If you think it did, tell us where, when and how you know it.

I can show you where synagogues stood before being destroyed by
the Occupation Forces of Jordan, with photographic evidence of 
the explosive demoilition, even, but you cannot show me where 
a mosque has been blown up by Israelis because it never happened.

>> shot diplomats
>
>...Yeah, like Count Folke Bernadotte, assassinated by the Stern 
>   terrorists...

No, like the Palestinean officials who have been assasinated in the 
past few weeks.  Nice democratic PLO mechanisms, you have there.

>Add to this, deportations of native people, 

criminals

>curfews,

standard operating procedure during riots.

>refugee camps, 

created and maintained in permanent squalor by the Arab states.
Palestineans have been living in identical refugee camps in 
Jordan and Lebanon.  Are you going to try to blame these on
Israel, as well?

>malnutrioned children, 

Liar.  Arabs in Israel have better medical care and health conditions 
than they ever had under Jordan.

>unemployed fathers, 

Don't blame Israel that Arabs in Israel prefer civil war to building 
economies.  If the Gaza Strip would be spun off as an independent state
today, thousands would die of lack of food and medicine.  Whaddaya think
the Egyptians don't want it back for?

>universities closed...

Riots often have that affect, though it's been a while since there 
were long-term and large-scale riots in US universities so you just 
might not understand.

>all courtesy
>of proud right-wing Israeli terrorists...

Like I've said many times before, stop blaming Israel for things
that you've done to yourselves.  Blaming "Israeli terrorists", yet.

>>seen fit to go back to 1956 to prove that Israel is actually guilty of 
>>terrorism.  You are an embarrasement to yourself but are probably too 
>>stupid to realize it!
>
>The Palestinians can not only go back to yesterday, but wonder about
>what ill will befall them them tomorrow.;

Especially considering that Palestineans in Israel are much more likely
to be attacked by other Palestineans than by Israelis.

>You are an embarrassment to the caring Israelis who are trying to 
>understand the dilemma without placing sole blame.

While the "caring Israelis" may be trying to understand the dilemma,
the uncaring Arabs have done nothing but perpetuate this festering 
wound so as to thrust it into Israel's face whenever they can...
as you have just done.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast