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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:41:36 -0500
From:         ENGMYLES@UBVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: no duking

Fred: knowledge for knowledge's sake?  That's like basic research, its
ultimate justification being that it will be damn useful someday when we
know what weve got and realize we've created a need for it.  Reading
Oedipus helps us deal with family values; Ovid helps us when we go to
stadia to watch games; the Aenead helps us understand what an empire is;
the death of Socrates tells us about capital punishment.  We weave webs
like Penelope against the day we can stop unraveling our lives.

I think I should be at the Republican convention, reading Julius Caesar
and watchin Dan Cassius and his lean and hungry wife.

Myles
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:18:45 EST
From:         Jim Porter <jporter@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: fonts
              "eng_allen@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU" at Aug 21, 92 9:22 am

What I like depends on a lot of factors other than the font itself.
I use 10 pt. Palatino, single spaced a lot--but doublespaced or in long
paragraphs it doesn't read as well.  Whether a font works well or
not depends on whether the student is writing a doublespaced term
paper, a singlespaced report, or a flyer.  Legibility and font "feel"
are affected by column width, paragraph length, tracking (open or
tight), leading, and white space.  (Though most word-processing
programs I know about don't currently allow you to adjust tracking or
leading, that will soon change.)  In short, I don't think it's just
the font _type_ that people are reacting to when they talk about the
layout of the page. Whether or not I like a font depends on its particular use:
which includes how the text is laid out on the page, as well as the
kind of document and its purpose.

Single spaced Zapf Chancery wouldn't work too well for a 15-page
research paper--but I've gotten poems from students all in Z.C. that
read well (the poems and the lines were _short_): the Z.C. gave
the poem a traditional look and seemed to
slow down the reading, which is not a bad idea for a poem, though
probably not what you want for a business report. (I often use
Z.C. for invitations and greeting cards.)  As a general rule,
I hate the Geneva default for body text--but properly tracked it can
work well in headings.  But as everyone eventually gains access to the same
set of default fonts (Geneva, Palatino, Helvetica, Times), I imagine
we'll soon get sick of seeing them.

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Jim Porter
Purdue University
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:15:11 CDT
From:         Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      typing

Karla,
I took your mother's advice, too (didn't know she had such
range did you?) and took a typing course in high school.
I think I was actually trying to evade a math course that
threatened to chew me up, but as it turns out, typing
may have been the single most important thing I studied
in high school. It's one of the only things I remember,
anyway.

Eric Crump
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From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Virus Alert!

John,
   Thank you for the info re your anti-virus.  I have access to ScanVirus
(the shareware version)  on the Honolulu BBSs.  I'll look for the other
program that you've mentioned.  So far, I haven't seen an alert for this
particular virus in the Islands.

Jim
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:23:30 EDT
From:         rselfe@MTU.EDU
Subject:      expected changes?

What do I expect to change in students in only 10 weeks?  Hmmmm.

Their use of terminology.

I expect to give them and give them a chance to practice ways to approach
communication problems.

I expect them to practice looking at the world around them and to generate
solutions to those problems--in my class, I ask them to make the problems
and solutions pro bono publico (sp?).  Lawyers aren't the only ones with
that responsibility.

I expect them to come away from the class with new eyes, more demanding,
critical eyes as they look at the communication solutions all around them.


I expect them to be technologically more sophisticated or at least more
practiced.

Perhaps this should part of the first class periods' discussion.  Thanks
Miles, et al., for initiating the discussion.  I clearly expect too much.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:23:00 CST
From:         "brown, lady" <ykflb@TTACS1.TTU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Favorite and most despised fonts

Bob, I don't like manuscripts typed in Geneva, the default font
in Daedalus.  It's good for on-screen because it's easy to read,
but printed, the text looks like the work of a gradeschooler.
Perhaps I'm just used to IBM Courier as the appropriate font for
a paper.  I've used Palatino for printed texts, but I'm not
passionate about it.  Lady Falls Brown
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:21:16 CDT
From:         Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: misplaced the deed to the Idea

On Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:16:00 EST <ENGMYLES@UBVMS> said:
>Eric: I guess I'd feel more comfortable sayimng this course will change
>your X in the following ways.  "X" can be critical skills, spelling,
>writing style, things I might be able to do, and then, maybe, with luck,
>I could specify and actually do.  But all the magic would be out of it.
>I might be a better teacher.
>Myles

Sure, narrowing the options would probably make students feel more
comfortable, too. As Wini says, many folks at the age of traditional
students might not be prepared to articulate what changes they
hope will happen in themselves. Some, still daunted by the new
world they've just entered, might secretly be hoping to sneak
through, get a degree and a job, without changing much at all.
I once had a student write in one of those journal "freewrites"
that she just wanted to get a good job so she could go shopping
and buy the things she wanted. Said this without any apparent
irony. Concluded with something like "There's nothing wrong with
that, is there?" The question mark betrayed her discomfort at the
notion that more might be expected of her and of her education.
I don't know what happened to that woman, but I would bet that
if she stayed in school, she did change and in ways she could
not have predicted when she was in freshman composition.

Still, the most important thing is to pose the question, to
nudge the process of self-examination into motion, not
to expect 19 yr olds to come up with brilliant plans for
self-development.

--Eric Crump
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:13:00 EST
From:         ENGMYLES@UBVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: well said

Eric: that's a nice idea.  Never used it.  It would make more syllabus work--
I'd have to revise the reading list and assignments, think up new paper
assignments, treat them as individuals, etc.  All after class has begun
meeting.
What I usually do, since we are required by the senate of our university
to say how they will be graded, is say they will be judged on the basis of their
   performance.  How's that for standards.  I don't say what they will perform.
And they never ask.  I suppose I should.
Frightening prospect in a class dealing with Poe, Wilde, Auden, Pound.
And another on Censorship in the Arts, starring Karen Finley.
Myles
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:28:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp <YKFOK@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Kill Clarissa

Eric, I agree with your implication (or at least my inference).
Richardson should be placed only in the masochistic section of
the library.  Enter only the Flagellants.  Richardson's
epistolary novels probably compete only with AT&T for being the
major cause that people no longer write letters.  Fred Kemp,
Texas Tech
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From:         HUNT000 <HUNT@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Social Interaction in Computer Classrooms

In response to the issues about F2F versus machine: in my
classes, before they were based on computer networking, I've used
a strategy some of us have come to call "inkshedding," where
a discussion was based on writing. Everybody would write for
ten or fifteen minutes, then exchange texts with five or
six people, or a group, and read what other people thought,
often marking passages that were particularly interesting and
sometimes responding in writing.  When we moved to oral mode,
there were more ideas and more values "on the floor" than
there could possibly have been working with one speaker at a
time.  (The same thing now works over time on a computer bulletin
board -- but I still use pen&pad inkshedding in classes, regularly.)
      It's a question of bandwidth: more voices can have the
floor simultaneously in a written conversation.  And there's
also the fact that the sort of reflection you can do while you're
composing is allowed for -- you can't do that while you're talking,
and even listening in a real-time conversation is pretty short on
reflection time.  F2F still has real value, as a number of people
have pointed out, but writing/cmc allow for flexibility that isn't
there if we stipulate only F2F.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:25:00 GMT
From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      Typing injuries

>From: "Composition Digest (Robert Royar, Moderator)"
 <R0MILL01%BITNET.ULKYVX@EDU.VT.CC.VTVM2>>
>
>One of my colleagues suffers from Carpal tunnel.  She says that her
>therapist/physician told her touch typists are more susceptible than are hunt
>and peckers on computer keyboards.  The problem seems to be the way one holds
>ones hands (as if holding a ball in the palm) coupled with the increased speed
>computer keyboards allow over typewriters.  I've hunted and pecked since I was
>seven (when my mother gave me a typewriter) but I never took typing because I
>was too lazy.
>
> --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology


Strange. I suffered RSI 4 yrs ago. It meant 6 months limited action after
3 months total rest of the hand.  I was told that I should learn to touch
type to minimise the stress on the tendons.

I didn't take the advice but I am not typing as much now as I was then and
I have moderated the force with which I hit the keys (My first experience
of typing was a card punch where I really had to hit the keys to get the blades
to work.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:16:00 EDT
From:         WWOOD@LUCY.WELLESLEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: misplaced the deed to the Idea

Donna--

I agree with your questioning of the phrasing:  "This course will produce
the following changes in you:...." may really encourage student passiveness
from the beginning.  The point (and the point of Eric's original response--
have the student fill in the blank) is to get the student actively involved
in her own learning from the beginning.

The problem, as Eric has pointed out elsewhere, is that students are in
the receive mode when they get to college.  We have to do a lot of fancy
footwork to get them into the "process" and "interact" modes that we hope
for.  Of course you are right--they will learn far more when they are in
control of their own learning (I am fond of telling my students that the
ONLY things I remember from my undergraduate courses are things I wrote
papers about--not things my instructors said in lecture, NOT things I
popped in the hopper as I was cramming for exams.....).  But those who have
been conditioned by years in our education system (as Eric has said) expect
to go to class, throw their books down, slump back in their chairs, and
essentially do nothing for the next 50 minutes....I note reactions of
surprise and sometimes even irritation at the beginning of the semester
when I put my students to work at the beginning of each class; once they
get into it, of course, they hum right along, but I am always surprised
when I see evidence of those old "learning" habits at the beginning of
every semester.

And the reason the idea of computer-assisted writing instruction is so
appealing to me is that it keeps students in the active mode right along....
Please tell me this is so (I'll be doing it for the first time this fall)

Wini
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From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: What we're allowed to know

At school had to fight to be allowed to do Maths and sciences
(they were "boys subjects") as I wanted to get into computing
I would have loved some keyboard skills but found that the
moment I mentioned that the staff would start fighting the
idea ("if you want to do the sciences you're not going to
be a secretary.)

It is a pain not llearning to type properly before I learnt
all my bad habits !!!

I wasn't interested in any social type studies like history
either but I found great delight in them when I started work.
I ended up taking a couple of courses with the Open University
here looking at the rise of the Romanb empire and various
other Arts subjects.

I agree, by narrowing our fields at such an early age we
miss out but if we have the oportunity to broaden out later
it seems to have more value to us.  Second chances often do.

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From:         j Minas <DHS@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Virus Alert!

Thank you!
From: jjwright@remus.rutgers.edu (   Jay)
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Subject: WANTED: Car and Insurance Advice
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:48:47 GMT
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Greetings,

After successfully (and suprisingly) finding a job I can now afford a
car.  This is good news.  The bad news is that i have to go shopping
for cars and deal with salespeople, which is a great fear of mine since
most salespeople drink much much too much coffee.  The other criteria
for a car is the insurance that i have to buy.  

So in short -->  Could anyone recommend a very reputable dealer that
they may suggest i go visit in the rutgers/new brunswick radius.
Depending on how good the dealer (be it the salesman or the whole
setup) is, I dont mind going great distances.  I am looking at
nissans, hondas, (sort of up in th air still) and i could be swayed
either to buy a car like a sentra new or a used accord, it really
depends on what i see and how i feel.

any information on insurance agents would also be greatly appreciated.

thanx

jay

jjwright@remus.rutgers.edu

(please email me)
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Subject: Roommate wanted near Rutgers Bush Campus
Keywords: room, rent
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:38:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

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       Services    : Central Air, Kitchen, dish washer, large refrigerator,
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From: byu@remus.rutgers.edu (Bob Yu)
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Subject: AIR CLEANER FORSALE...
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:41:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

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From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: Effect of power lines on home resale value
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Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:11:51

In article <1992Aug13.193446.2717@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

   ...Objectively, the field strength falls off rapidly with distance.
   But the article I read in Science said that even if the health
   effects are confirmed, the available evidence suggests that the
   health effects do not always decrease with decreasing field
   strength.

If it doesn't matter whether you're 90, 900, or 9000 feet from the
high-tension wires, I guess we're all cooked, so why worry?  Moreover,
at a certain point, you are getting more EMF from the wires in your
own house than from the high-tension wires, so distance to the
high-tension wires becomes irrelevant.

	-s
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Subject: IBM COMPUTERS SALE CHEAP!!!
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:14:24 GMT
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    512K Internal Memory
    720K 3.5" Disk Drive 
    Parallel Port
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