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From: ekl@fics.uucp
Subject: Re: What REXX does
Organization: Kvam data as
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:57:04 GMT

In article <92Sep9.105807edt.16825@ois.db.toronto.edu> panos@db.toronto.edu (Panos Economopoulos) writes:
>WILLS@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Cheyenne Wills) writes:
>
>>Anyway... a simple KEDIT macro to count the number of nonblank lines
>>is a file that is being edited follows:
>> 
>>----[blankcnt.kex]-----------
>>/* Count blank lines */
>>nonblank = 0
>>blank = 0
>>'Top'
>>'Next'
>>Do While rc = 0
>>    'Extract/curline/'
>>    If Space( curline.3 ) <> '' Then nonblank = nonblank + 1
>>    Else blank = blank + 1
>>    'Next'
>>End
>>'Top'
>>'Msg There are' nonblank 'nonblank lines and' blank 'blank lines in the file'
>>-----------------------------
>> 
>Just for the purpose of showing how the above can be accomplished
>in a UNIX environment and without intending to pass any judgement
>regarding the merits of either environment, one can use the following
>AWK program to count the nonblank lines of a file:
>
>!/^$/  {count++}
>END    {print count}
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Panos Economopoulos --         panos@csri.toronto.edu      (ARPA/CSNet)
>University of Toronto          {uunet, ...}!utcsri!panos   (UUCP)
>                               panos@csri.utoronto	   (Bitnet)
>                               panos@csri.toronto.cdn      (CDNnet/EAN/X.400)

How 'bout trying

   grep -c "^$" <filenames>

which would also count zero-length lines. To count blank lines (lines
wiht zero length, or only tabs and spaces), use

  grep -c "^[ \t]*$" <filenames>

YAS -- yet another shortcut!

The basics of both the mentioned awk program and the grep command line
is regular expressions. Powerful, but not easy to master. It matches
unix itself, i guess...

Eirik
From: pd2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter W. De Bonte)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT guys OUT!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:51:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Megtj0a00awH43B7sQ
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How can we advocate OS/2 if there is no competition?
Removing NT ppl would make this netgroup grind to a halt.

Pete W. De Bonte (x4173)                    pwd+@cmu.edu 
"Knolege is powef, Speling is unimportnt"   (but pd2n is unaceptable)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: wjb5106@zeus.tamu.edu (Walter Barnett)
Subject: Re: MS-Word 5.x  (was Re: THANK YOU, Microsoft!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.234947.116676@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, sjb5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STACY JOHN BEHRENS) writes...
>In article <1992Sep07.103709.118680@rrz.uni-koeln.de>, MVOLPERS@CIPVAX.BIOLAN.UN
>I-KOELN.DE (Markus Volpers) writes:
> 
>>Yes, WORD 5.5 runs fine under OS/2 2.0, but you cannot use the mouse while
>>in graphics-mode, so it's more or less useless for me. (This problem is
>>also reported in the WORD-Documentation by MS).
>>
>>Markus
>>
>So go into settings and give the program exclusive mouse control.  Should
>solve that problem.  (Unless I am reading what you are saying incorectly)
> 
>                                            Stacy John Behrens
>                                            *===)-------------


What you are describing is running Word as a DOS program.  If you run
Word as an OS/2 program you cannot use the mouse in graphics mode.  What
use is there for graphics mode other than print preview (where the mouse
is nearly useless, anyway)?

_______________________________________________________________________
Walter Barnett        Aerospace Engineering        Texas A&M University 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: isc10295@nusunix2.nus.sg (QUEK KENG OEI)
Subject: Re: Yet another OS/2 vs NT post, but different than the rest
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:06:24 GMT

drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann) writes:
: After reading what seems to be hundreds of posts along these lines:
: 
: NT Zealot: NT is going to be better than sliced bread, you whining OS/2ers! HA
: 	HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA etc.
: 
: OS/2 Zealot: No it's not, you lying pig!! And it's not even out yet, so why
: 	don't you go back to kissing Bill Gates' butt some more, and come back
: 	when it's out, which will probably be in 1997!
:[Stuff Deleted]
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	A sane voice among all that cacophany!:) 
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From: ekl@fics.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: os/2 vs nt: an unasked question
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:41:52 GMT
Organization: Kvam data as

In article <18bb67INNj2c@agate.berkeley.edu> ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:
>perhaps i have missed it in the discussion of os-2 vs nt, but it
>seems to me that a great deal of net bandwidth has been expended
>without asking one very important question:
>
>how do these systems handle languages other than ascii?
>
>although it is not readily apparent from usenet postings, much of the
>world does not speak ascii, let alone english. coding for the world's
>second largest computer market (japan) and the largest potential
>market (china), requires software that properly handles two byte
>coding schemes.
>
>both languages are more at home with a vertical rather than left to
>right horizontal presentation. other languages like right to left
>horizontal presentations (hebrew). when one gets into arabic or
>various indian languages, there are even more variations in display
>and processing.
>
>the tiny fraction of the japanese peecee market held by ibm in japan
>demonstrates that you cannot force amerikan standards on everyone.
>how do nt and os-2 compare in terms of dealing with the non-ascii
>speaking world, especially that portion that requires n-byte coding
>schemes? how do nt and os-2 compare when you want to have your file
>names in kanji (chinese characters) or urdu script or whatever?
>
>-- 
>earl h. kinmonth, centre for japanese studies, university of sheffield,
>sheffield, england s10 2tn  jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk

NT is far better than os/2 when it comes to other languages. The basic
character set of NT is based on the unicode standard, and as such is
capable of maintaing a larger character set (16 bit = 64K characters).

I'm not sure how directional presentation is handled, but at least the
number of glyphs should be sufficient in Windows NT.

I have not heard of any plans to move os/2 over to a unicode base 
character set; ibm was (is) on the unicode committee, though, so
something may show up later.

Eirik
From: sjb5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STACY JOHN BEHRENS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft bashing s...)
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:04:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep03.175039.21213@microsoft.com>, philipla@microsoft.com (Phil
Lafornara) writes:
>In article <92246.153543ANDY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Andrew T. Robinson <ANDY@MAINE.MA
INE.EDU> writes:
>>No one asked, but here are my opinions of Microsoft:
                                ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Microsoft is basically a corporate-sized ego with marketing muscle.  The
>>debacle between IBM and MS with OS/2 was as far as I've ever been able to
>>tell entirely an outgrowth of MS' greed, and not because there were
>>technical issues that couldn't be resolved with stodgy old IBM.
>
>     Please show evidence to support this claim.
>
>                                       -Phil

OPINIONS Phil, not facts.  Opinions are often only loosley rooted in facts.
Whether that is the case here is for you to decide for yourself.  I do tend to
agree that MS does have a big ego, and so far they have been so successful
that there is some justification for it.  Personally a big ego always
irritates me, but you can't argue too much with success.  I do think that he
left something out though.  Whatever one may think of MS, they have proven
themselves to be talented as well.  If that justifies the ego, well, "You be
the judge!"  (Think Church Lady)

                                                Stacy John Behrens
                                                *===)-------------
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Phil Lafornara                                         1 Microsoft Way
>philipla@microsoft.com                         Redmond, WA 98052-6399
>Note:  Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.
>
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 18:28:17 EDT
From: Andrew T. Robinson <ANDY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft bashing (was: Re: Some more misconceptions...)
Distribution: na
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 <1992Sep04.180924.12738@microsoft.com> <1992Sep6.181839.26406@seas.smu.edu>


Not ONLY are those sales figures a year stale, but several
vendors of various sizes have reversed their descisions to
support OS/2 in the last *month* (Artisoft and Powercore are two
that leap to mind--there are others).  Microsoft is clearly behind
the ball on this one, and I maintain my claim that is has more to
do with corporate ego than sound business practices.

Andy
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: brian%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill)
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster Driver Info
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:24:25 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Sep10.005754.9469@news.iastate.edu> TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller) writes:
>  A sales rep at Creative Labs told me that the drivers *may* be
>available at the end of the week, but she has been telling everyone
>the end of the month 'just in case they're not done.'  Maybe MS
>could learn a lesson from them :-).

Well, Microsoft must be listening to you... NT and Windows 3.X both
have had Sound Blaster drivers for quite some time.
Amazing... them hearing you before you even told them!!!! :-) :-)


>  The bboard number is (408) 428-6660, and customer support/sales is
>(800) 998-5227.  It's hard to get through, though.


Brian
-- 
C. Brian Sturgill                       *** OS/2 2.0 is for YOU! ***
University of Utah                  Microsoft needs some competition, but
Center for Software Science        -I- want to be one of the many using NT.
brian@cs.utah.edu; CIS: 70363,1373           :-) :-) :-)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: db3l@ans.net (David Bolen)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs NT features list, Revision 1.4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:32:11 GMT
	<1992Sep4.105353.25246@hellgate.utah.edu>
	<1992Sep4.202736.1565@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
	<1992Sep4.150448.7799@hellgate.utah.edu>
Organization: Advanced Network & Services, Inc. - Elmsford, NY

In article <1992Sep4.150448.7799@hellgate.utah.edu> brian%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:

>Sigh, I have the following from somebody inside IBM who should know.
>They told me that thread 1 simply cannot stack expand beyond the limit
>you set at compile time, and further that the pages are committed when
>the program starts.  This is (supposedly) a part of the executables format
>so I don't understand how it could be different with emx+gcc.

I think they were basically talking about how OS/2 loads an executable.  From
the OS/2 loader, an application's thread 1 gets a fully committed stack based
on the size specified in the executable (from compile time).  This is
definitely true.

So - thread 1 cannot expand it's *default* stack beyond the point allocated at
compile time and committed during initial executable load.  But there is
nothing stopping anyone from writing code simply to move the stack pointer
to a different location in memory.  This is true for any thread.  So, say
you just move the stack pointer from within thread 1 to point to a dynamically
allocated memory object.  From that point on, you'll have a dynamic stack
for thread 1.

That's (my belief) how EMX handles the dynamic stack for an application,
even for thread 1.  It builds an extra, uncomitted, large memory object into
each executable, and I'd bet one of the first things the startup code does
is switch the stack pointer to that object.

>Are you saying that you know 100% for certain that this is wrong?
>(I realize you do gcc compiler work, so perhaps you do know...)
>All I know is that is not what IBM has told me, and that under
>C Set/2 things don't work that way.

Again - I think your friend at IBM is completely correct, but what he says
doesn't preclude the sort of operation I am talking about.

I agree about ICC - it definitely doesn't bother playing with the stack
for thread 1.  Although I suppose someone could write a simple function that
anyone could call from their main() to switch the stack, and get the same
dynamic stack in an ICC program.  Ideally you'd like the C Set/2 folks to
do it, since they could easily tie into the code they already have for
managing dynamic stacks for other threads.

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From: ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
Subject: Oberon
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:54:50 GMT

hi everyone...

someone said Oberon is going to be the main OS on Workstations and PC's
so should we say bye to win NT and os/2?
what do you think???

pete
From: f67700241@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 PR
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:54:38 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <GKUSHMER.92Sep14125050@jade.tufts.edu>, gkushmer@jade.tufts.edu (Greg Kushmerek) writes:
> Here at Tufts, I have been trying to arrange a meeting with people in the 
> Academic Computing department to discuss this exact issue.  As it goes,
> IBM once appeared here to demo OS/2.  The tech rep here at Tufts (as she
> told me) was impressed with OS/2 and what she saw. She called the 
> big children in the head office and suggested that Tufts allow the
> computer store to carry OS/2 bundled with IBM machines.
> 
> Well, the big wigs said that it wasn't going to happen and provided
> no other reason.  A week later, one of the big guys was out somewhere
> looking at a contract with Microsoft.  I don't know what the contract
> covers.

Out of the 40 Windows apps in the UA store, about 8-10 of them were MS's.
This says 2 things to me: 1) MS is getting some sort of special deal
from the univ. bigwigs; 2) Non-MS Windows apps still make up 75% of the
applications base.

> Students may buy OS/2 if they ask for it to be ordered.  Otherwise Tufts
> will not carry it in the campus store unless "market forces" call for
> it to be carried.  Maybe the "market forces" would be a bit more responsive
> if they knew what was available to them.  

That's pretty much what the sales rep told me when I asked. I forgot to
ask if any educ. discount would be offered....

> It seems to me that as many people are exposed to serious computing for
> the first time at college, OS/2 should at least be available as an
> option.  Moreover, for a campus that wants its students to be computer
> literate, Tufts is limiting its scope of operating systems to a 
> very narrow beam.  NEXTStep 486 will not be considered.  DESQVIEW X is
> not on the list; I do wonder now, however, if NT will be made available
> regardless of the "market forces" and their demands.

Agreed 100%.  I wonder if NT (of all OSs) will suddenly step into the
education market and go where IBM failed to go.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: MVOLPERS@CIPVAX.BIOLAN.UNI-KOELN.DE (Markus Volpers)
Subject: Re: MS-Word 5.x  (was Re: THANK YOU, Microsoft!)
Organization: BIOLAN - COLOGNE UNIVERSITY (FRG)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 10:37:09 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <3SEP199221243001@zeus.tamu.edu> wjb5106@zeus.tamu.edu writes:

> In article <92247.180054LENBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <LENBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...
> 
> > 
> >    Oh okay, but Amit said "OS/2 Version", I didn't know he was
> >speaking about an DOS version.  Sorry Amit!, misunderstood.
> > 
> 
> Word 5.x for DOS is also for OS/2 (though not Presentation Manager). 
> The program can start and run in an OS/2 text mode session (windowed or
> full-screen).  Of course, if you have DOS support installed for OS/2 you
> can also run Word in a DOS box (again, windowed or full-screen).
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Walter Barnett        Aerospace Engineering        Texas A&M University 

Yes, WORD 5.5 runs fine under OS/2 2.0, but you cannot use the mouse while
in graphics-mode, so it's more or less useless for me. (This problem is 
also reported in the WORD-Documentation by MS).

Markus
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: Interesting tidbit from September 7, 1992 PC Week
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:47:48 GMT

brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
>Some quote from Zachmann's article with annotations by me.
>(Zachmann's is the indented part.)

>	...

>	Why does Microsoft repeatedly insist that the
>	version of Windows NT distributed in July,
>	which nearly everyone assumes to be a beta, is
>Why would anybody think this is a beta?  Microsoft has NEVER said
>this... and goes out of its way to make sure people know this.

Generally, a beta comes out a few months to a year before the announced
release.  And the announced target release of NT is 4Q92.
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting tidbit from September 7, 1992 PC Week
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:41:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <_9vn4l+.xtifr@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>Piffle.  Microsoft has invented a new term, "pre-beta", to describe what
>is nothing more than a buggier-than-usual beta.  An alpha version is one
>that is only being tested in-house.  A beta is one that is being tested
>by others.

Then why did Apple ship System 7.0 alpha (it said "alpha" on the
CD-ROM) to registered developers?

>If Microsoft has released NT to testers/developers, what
>they have released is a beta, by definition.  The terms "alpha" and
>"beta" have a long history.

And the terms are being bent as we speak, by more than just MS.
-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "LECTURER, n.  One with his hand in your pocket,
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   his tongue in your ear, and his faith in your
 ((|,)                          patience."
  ~|~                              --- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs NT features list, Revision 1.5
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:45:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.175014.15421@hellgate.utah.edu>,
brian%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
>In article <45mn9xq.msmith@netcom.com> msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) writes:
>...
>>
>>If you want to increase both evaluations go ahead but WinOS2 is able to
>>support in full screen mode ALL the SVGA drivers and most if not all
>>software packages. There is little if any performance penalty doing
>>day to day work. A number of magazines have conceded that WinOS2 is a
>>better Windows than Windows 3.0 (PC Magazine I believe say this )
>
>       Windows 3.0 support (NT has it too, but it is not as good).
>
>>
>>MArtin Smith
>>msmith@netcom.com
>
>Brian
>--
>C. Brian Sturgill                       *** OS/2 2.0 is for YOU! ***
>University of Utah                  Microsoft needs some competition, but
>Center for Software Science        -I- want to be one of the many using NT.
>brian@cs.utah.edu; CIS: 70363,1373           :-) :-) :-)

Well, Brian, I have to commend you for this noble move.  Actually,
it would probably be more correct to say 'Windows 3.0 Standard Mode'
or something like that, wouldn't it?  Just trying to be helpful :-)
From: lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (m.l. gore)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft bashing (Well, not exactly....)
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:32:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>How dare you post this in the _NT_ advocacy group!  :-)


>Brian
>--
>C. Brian Sturgill                       *** OS/2 2.0 is for YOU! ***
>University of Utah                  Microsoft needs some competition, but
>Center for Software Science        -I- want to be one of the many using NT.
>brian@cs.utah.edu; CIS: 70363,1373           :-) :-) :-)
>

    Gee, wasn't this one of my points? I don't know about all you folks, but I
    type comp.os.os2.advocacy to get here. Funny, but I don't remember hitting
    an N or a T.
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