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From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: 7'th Category of evidence / Greco-Roman myth and tradition
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:22:31 GMT
Organization: HTE





Primative peoples (in our day and age) tend to worship whatever strikes them
as most awesome, amazing, exciting etc. in life.  I can and will cite
several examples:

1.  The well known cases of "cargo-cultists", in which a crashed
    aircraft becomes a religious shrine for primitives who had not
    previously seen one.

2.  The American state religion of NFL football.

3.  Rednecks worshiping their WWF heroes.

4.  Astronomers, members of the t.o crew etc. worshiping Carl Sagan
    (similar to 3).
    
5.  Africans destroying former idols, and creating new ones in the image
    of Putt Mossman (the Evel Knieval of the 30's) after a fabulous
    motorcycle diver off of a waterfall (which Mossman walked away
    from).
 
6.  Cases of primitives worshipping a volcano.

There is no reason to believe that things were ever different regarding
choosing objects of worship.

In our present system, the only three possible candidates for celestial
deity are the sun, the moon, and Venus.

Two of the least large, least impressive, least assuming, inconspicuous,
non-candidates for deity in the entire universe today are the
far-off planets Jupiter and Saturn.  An overwhelming majority of people
in the world couldn't even find them or point them out.

And yet, just 4000 years ago, these two planets were the two chieftain
gods in every nation on earth, every religion on earth...  the two most
feared entities in existence.  Given present realities, this not only
makes no sense, it is impossible.

Hesiod and Ovid both speak of a golden age, when Kronos (Saturn) was
"king in heaven".  For those of you who haven't ever been able to fathom
that phrase, it means when Saturn was our sun.  That's what "king of
heaven" IS.

Other Greek authors repeatedly refer to antediluvians as "children of
Kronos", or "nurselings of Kronos" (for instance, Plato's 'Statesman'),
meaning people of the age of Saturn.

I have claimed that this planet once orbitted a small electromagnetic
star, one pole forever pointed straight at that star, animals on the
earth feeling gravitational pull not only of the earth, but of the star
as well.  Only this allowed the giant antediluvian animals.

There is one other effect you'd notice.  There would be no seasons.

You might expect Greek and Roman authors to mention that.  They do.

Ovid mentions Zeus (Jupiter) completing "a year of four seasons".  He
goes on:

   "Then for the first time, the scorched air glowed with parching heat,
   and ice hung frozen by the winds..."

According to standard theory, the familiar pattern of the seasons whould
have been with us since long before anything man lived on this planet.

The notion of having to EXPLAIN the recent coming into existence of the
ordinary cycle of the seasons is impossible given standard beliefs.



 







-- 
Ted Holden
HTE

Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Some answers for Chuck (on allegory)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:55:13 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <Brspz2.A5s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, maier@romulus (Chuck Maier) writes:
>
> SIN is a capital offense.

Not on talk.origins it's not.   Maybe on talk.religion.misc.

jon.
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: henley@eng.auburn.edu (James Paul Henley)
Subject: Re: Blah Blah
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:47:32 GMT

In article <n05fat@ofa123.fidonet.org> David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> 
>Sorry to educate you, but evolution isn't random, nor was
>a "force" applied. The process is chaotic, not random.

Do you know the difference between microscopic and macroscopic
properties?

Force and chaos are macroscopic
Random is microscopic.

Force and chaos are macroscopic results of the probability of random events
occurring at the microscopic level.

James P. Henley Jr.
Chemical Engineering Dept
Auburn University

Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: 7'th Category of evidence / Greco-Roman myth and tradition
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:02:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.223608.3084@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
}In article <1992Jul24.121434.13927@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}> In article <2833@fedfil.UUCP> news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:
}> }Primative peoples (in our day and age) tend to worship whatever strikes them
}> }as most awesome, amazing, exciting etc. in life.  I can and will cite
}> }several examples:
}> 
}> Ted, you ARE an example.
}
}*GOOD* one, Jim!

Not intended as such.  Merely an observation of Ted's worshipping something
that strikes him as awesome, amazing, exciting, bigger-than-life,... in spite
of the facts against such sillyness.  He _IS_ his best example of that to which
he referrs.  Please not the "strikes" part: no actuality is required, merely
the perception.
From: gecko@zooid.guild.org (GECKO)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Ted, get off that teratorn!
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:54:13 GMT

  Ted Holden writes: 
 
>(Earth-shaking new info on the Tedatorn deleted) 
> 
>Not that the 170 lb figure isn't sufficiently impossible in our world, 
>the perception of gravity being what it is now. 
> 
>Just that the 265 lb figure is more impossible. 
 
   If humankind can create a glider heavier than this, there is no 
   reason to assume that evolution couldn't produce such a beast. 
 
   Which is more impossible - a 265 lb active flier in today's world, 
   or an eggshaped Earth orbiting a non-existent star in the days 
   before that great non-event The Flood, when dinosaurs roamed over 
   the continents side by side with modern creatures only a few thousand 
   years ago?  Not a difficult choice for most rational folks. 
 
                              - GECKO 
 
 
 
gecko@zooid.guild.org
From: root@lionet.Wesley.OZ.AU (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
Subject: lionet.wesley.OZ.AU is back up - if anyone cares :-)
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:03:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Wesley College, Melbourne

if anyone cares or anything, the beast is back *hmmm*

-richard
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Link to SA down (Sunday 2nd August)
Reply-To: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:10:25 GMT


This time it's for real:

Telecom have advised us that they need to carry out some urgent repairs
to a section of optical fibre affecting the Adelaide - Melbourne 2Mb
link. They require up to 4 hours to complete the work which is
scheduled to occur between Sunday 2nd August 2000 through till Monday
3rd August 0200. These are Central Australian times (GMT +0930).

Peter

-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Link to SA down (Sunday 26th July)
Reply-To: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:53:58 GMT


Telecom have advised us that they need to carry out some urgent repairs
to a section of optical fibre affecting the Adelaide - Melbourne 2M
link. They may require up to 4 hours to complete the work which is
scheduled to occur on Sunday 26th July from 1000-1400 (AEST).

The following South Australian networks will be unreachable during that time:

129.96.0.0      FLINDERS-UNI
129.127.0.0     ADELAIDE-UNI
130.220.0.0     SAITEN
131.185.0.0     DSTO
136.169.0.0     SACAENET
143.92.0.0      ETAFE
143.216.0.0     SANET
150.101.0.0     TPA
150.207.0.0     AWADI-B
192.43.226.0    UAENG01
192.43.227.0    UAENG02
192.43.228.0    UAENG03
192.43.229.0    UACOMSCI
192.52.185.0    FLINDERS-GW
192.54.135.0    ATLANTEK
192.58.129.0    AUSTEK
192.83.231.0    INTERNODE
192.83.238.0    CSIRO-DMTADL
192.124.117.0   CSIRO-DHN-ADL

Peter

-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
From: ian@quark.ansto.gov.au (Ian Crakanthorp)
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
Subject: ANSTO link down
Keywords: down, unavailable, dead
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:22:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation

All access to ANSTO was unavailable Tuesday 21/7/92 from 10:00 am till 2:00 pm.
This was due to a massive power failure all over site.  This included domains
ansto.gov.au and dmpe.csiro.au

Ian... 

-- 
Ian Crakanthorp                              e-mail: ian@atom.ansto.gov.au
ANSTO 
Australian Nuclear Science                   phone : +61 2 717 3365
& Technology Organisation		     Fax   : +61 2 717 9273
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: Link to SA down (Sunday 26th July)
Reply-To: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:22:26 GMT


>Telecom have advised us that they need to carry out some urgent repairs
>to a section of optical fibre affecting the Adelaide - Melbourne 2M
>link. They may require up to 4 hours to complete the work which is
>scheduled to occur on Sunday 26th July from 1000-1400 (AEST).

It appears the problem is not as urgent as was orginally suggested.

We have just been informed that Telecom are unable to do the repairs
on the 26th July and are currently considering doing it the following
week (2nd August). When they have made up their minds, I will post 
another notice ...

Peter

ps. the times are Central Australian times, not Eastern ...
-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
Xref: sparky aus.ai:97 comp.ai:2883
From: webb@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Geoff Webb)
Newsgroups: aus.ai,comp.ai
Subject: Machine Learning
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:14:14 GMT
Followup-To: aus.ai
Distribution: melb
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia

I was surprised at the number of Machine Learning researchers that appeared at
Wayne Jenkins talk last night.  It seems that there is machine learning
research at RMIT, La Trobe, Monash, Swinburn and Deakin, but that none of the
research groups has any idea what the others are doing!  Would anyone be
interested in getting together and having a machine learning day?  I, for
one would like to hear what everyone else is doing and receive feedback about
what I am doing.

If you are interested, please respond to me by e-mail.

Geoff.
===============================================================================
Geoff Webb
webb@cm.deakin.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.ai
From: thorne@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Chris Thorne)
Subject: Seeking info on KBS for rendering problems
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:33:32 GMT



I am currently doing a Masters project building some Knowledge-based
investigative tools.  The purpose is to determine what type of 
knowledged-based capability is suitable for providing advice on image 
rendering.  

I have chosen a particular rendering domain, texture mapping, so that I can
focus on the requirements of a fairly narrow field of expertise.  

Does anyone know of similar research underway, and if so, could you cite 
articles, conference proceedings or provide information on suitable
contacts?

Thanks in advance,

Chris Thorne

Newsgroups: aus.radio
From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Daily IPS Report - 27 Jul 92
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:12:27 GMT

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 26 July 1992
Summary for 26 July and Forecast up to 29 July
No IPS warning is current.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity : low

Flares    Max     Fadeout    Begin   End    Freq.  Sectors
none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 101/50

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             27 July          28 July          29 July
Activity     low              low              low
Fadeouts     None expected    None expected    None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 105/55

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Sydney          05  2111 2222
    Learmonth       02  2111 0001
    Fredericksburg  05
    Planetary       10

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : quiet to unsettled
Ap :  08

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
None.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: good   
Mid Lats: fair to good
High Lats: fair   
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to be normal.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
None.

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUF's at Sydney were depressed 20-30% 00-07UT and near normal
otherwise. Spread F may have degraded communications from
12-17UT.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index :  74

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
             27 July            28 July             29 July
MUFs         depressed 15-25%   depressed about 20% depressed about 20%
T index      75                 80                  80

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for July is 120.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
None.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@ips.OZ.AU                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
Newsgroups: aus.radio
From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Daily IPS Report - 22 Jul 92
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:06:12 GMT

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 21 July 1992
Summary for 21 July and Forecast up to 24 July
IPS Warning No. 18, issued on 20 July, is still current.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity : low

Flares    Max     Fadeout    Begin   End    Freq.  Sectors
None.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 108/058

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             22 July          23 July          24 July
Activity     low              low              low
Fadeouts     None expected    None expected    None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 105/055

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : mostly quiet to unsettled with 
brief active periods 15-18UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Sydney          10  1222 3431
    Learmonth       06  0121 3311
    Fredericksburg  13
    Planetary       12

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : mostly quiet to unsettled with 
possible isolated active periods.
Ap :  20

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
None.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: Normal.
Mid Lats: Normal.
High Lats: Normal.
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to be normal.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
None.

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUF's at Sydney were near normal.  Blanketing sporadic E
and spread F conditions may have degraded communications
around 12UT and from 16-18UT.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index : 100

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
         22 July              23 July              24 July
MUFs     depressed about 15%  depressed about 15%  depressed about 15%
T index  90                   90                   90

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for July is 120.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
None.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@ips.OZ.AU                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
Newsgroups: aus.radio
From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Daily IPS Report - 26 Jul 92
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:12:22 GMT

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 25 July 1992
Summary for 25 July and Forecast up to 28 July
No IPS warning is current.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity : very low

Flares    Max     Fadeout    Begin   End    Freq.  Sectors
none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  98/47 

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             26 July          27 July          28 July
Activity     low              low              low
Fadeouts     None expected    None expected    None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 100/49 

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Sydney          11  3112 3333
    Learmonth       08  2123 3221
    Fredericksburg  07
    Planetary       11

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : quiet to unsettled
Ap :  08

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
None.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: Normal.
Mid Lats: Normal.
High Lats: Normal.
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to be normal.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
None.

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUF's at Sydney were depressed 20-30% 00-07UT, at 20UT and at 23UT;
near normal otherwise. Spread F conditions may have degraded
communications from 14-20UT.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index :  65

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
             26 July              27 July           28 July
MUFs         depressed 20 to 30%  depressed 20-30%  depressed 20-30%
T index      67                   70                70

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for July is 120.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
Depressions of 20-30% are expected during daylight hours. Frequencies
should otherwise be near normal.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@ips.OZ.AU                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
From: Andrew.McColm@f543.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew McColm)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Info Required
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 18:10:46 +1000

Hi Bill
You might find this interesting for the Broadcast.
73's Andrew VK3KIR
-------------------------------------------------

    *** WANTED - Information about foxhunting groups! ***** (Amateur radio types
for those who think I'm talking blood sports!)

Hello, thanks for reading this. I am currently putting together a television
segment for a National Television program which will go to air in the next month
or so about Foxhunting. The time slot is 7.30pm on a weeknight with a replay on
the following weekend.

It will be similar to what you saw on Robbo's world tonight last year except I
really want to include groups who hunt in other states. If you know of anyone or
any groups outside the 
Melbourne Foxhunting Group then I would really like to get in touch with them
regardless of where they are in the country.

I have about one month before I start organising camera crews,so please don't
leave it too long. If you can help I can be
contacted on the following phone numbers: BH (03) 521 1000 or AH (018) 354 644.
Alternatively you can contact me by fidonet at 3:635/543 or on the JKARC Phone
BBS (03) 521 1206 or on
Packet radio at VK3FRS although this method is not very
reliable for me at the moment.

Thanks in advance...
Andrew McColm VK3KIR :-)

 * Origin: JKARC BBS Melbourne (03) 521-1206 (3:635/543)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Daily IPS Report - 25 Jul 92
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:12:18 GMT

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 24 July 1992
Summary for 24 July and Forecast up to 27 July
No IPS warning is current.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity : very low

Flares    Max     Fadeout    Begin   End    Freq.  Sectors
None.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 100/049

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             25 July          26 July          27 July
Activity     low              low              low
Fadeouts     None expected    None expected    None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 100/049

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Sydney          13  2323 3333
    Learmonth       04  1122 2111
    Fredericksburg  10
    Planetary       12

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Sydney : quiet to unsettled
Ap :  09

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
None.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: fair to good
Mid Lats: good   
High Lats: fair   
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to be normal at all latitudes.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
None.

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUF's at Sydney were depressed 20-30% 00-09UT and at 23UT and near
normal otherwise. Blanketing sporadic E may have degraded
communications aound 02 and 16UT.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index :  62

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
             25 July             26 July             27 July
MUFs         depressed 15-25%    depressed 20%       normal
T index       75                 85                  90

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for July is 120.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
Frequencies are expected to be depressed 15-25% during daylight hours
and near normal otherwise.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@ips.OZ.AU                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
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