From: davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: reality, godheads and freedom
Date: 4 Jan 1993 07:04:13 -0800
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In article <serb.317@polisci.umn.edu> serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.110424.1@firnvx.firn.edu> waddell@firnvx.firn.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1h7tvhINNj0d@cascade.ens.tek.com>, 
>>   davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher) writes:
>>> 
>>>    Why, when we are already so caught up in the trap of creating our
>>> own reality do we need even more tools to create even more of our
>>> own reality?
>>> 
>>>    My desires are not to create my own reality, but to attune more and
>>> more to the realities that life itself has to offer. I desire the intimacy 
>
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>
>>On our trip back to the Godhead......

>Both of these posts puzzle me.  First, what the heck is a "godhead"?  I 
>distrust those sorts of abstractions.  Why do you, or why does anyone, need 
>to imagine some sort of god or godhead or supreme entity in order to lend 
>meaning to existence?  

  Since I posted one of these, I'll give it a go at a responce.

  For me, it is not so much a need to call the awareness that I experience
by these names, it just that I know of no other name to call it by. See,
when I expand my awareness to take in a much a I can, I detect a source of 
All behind the very fabric of life. This awareness is always with me, sorta
like a presence that permeates all of life. I call this awareness the 
"Godhead". And that's OK for me. I'm very confortable with it. The spiritual
path that I'm on deals with liberation through the shattering of the Ego
by the overwhelming experience of the Divine. Because this path is centered
in the heart, the intuitive faculties become very developed as one journeys
down the spiritual path.

>That puzzlement also goes with the first post -- why 
>do people need to think there is more to life than simply creating reality?  

  Personally "I" feel my greatest need is to just be aware of reality
at it already is. I feel that the more reality "I" create, the more off 
track from life, as it is to it's self, I become. My health, both mental
and physical is related to this because I become off centered in relationship
to what life wants for me. I feel a lot of our unhappiness is that we
are trying to twist reality and life to ways that we think will make us
happy. But I feel that our true happiness lies in just the other direction.
And that is that our long term happiness lies within our attunement to
life as life already is. I don't think that we can do a better job than
what life has handed us. 

  Now quite honestly, I feel that very few of us have awakened to the
full potential of our awareness of life. I see a lot of areas where we
need to wake up and start beinging aware. It's like we are sleeping 
through the wonderment of it all. 

>    So, in other words, why do we have to put some sort of entity above 
>us -- some thing we are trying to attain, in order to define our worth?  

  As for me, I do not need any entity above me to "define our worth".
That is not even in my awareness as a reason to be awashed in the
the experience of the Godhead.

  As for you, if you don't feel a need, than for God's sake, please don't 
do it! But in the same breath, that's the way some of us perceive the state 
of things. Do you wish to take that away from us?

>What's wrong with just a view of spiritual freedom, operating multi-
>dimensionally perhaps, but without some godlike plan or purpose?  

  Nothing as far as I can see. Even with the Divine within ones sight,
that does not mean a "godlike plan or purpose" is needed.

>Plans, 
>gods, godheads, and the like strike me as quite illogical as well as 
>intuitively uncompelling.  

  If this is how you feel, that sits OK with me. 

>Yet there is a spirital realm to life that has 
>gone unexplored.  Maybe newage religion could be a religion that rejects the 
>past adherence to dogmas, plans, gods, godheads, holy people, etc., but 
>retains a belief in the need to explore the spirit as well as the flesh, and 
>go beyond the limitations of scientific epistemology.

  Sounds good to me. I hate and will not follow dogmas. So give it a go. 
I wish you all of the luck in the world.





	Ecstatic Love is an ocean, and the Milky Way
	is a flake of foam floating on it.
					Rumi

	David Hatcher