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From: ROWJOSP@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Sandman: Corinthian (was: Sandman: Brief Lives 7)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:06:53 EST

In article <1993Jan27.030707.7260@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
 
>In article <IfN89P600UzxE8h9pP@andrew.cmu.edu> "Pamela J. Bernhardt" <pb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>My two cents.
>>
>>1) Didn't Dream kill off destruction in A Dolls House?  He unmade the
>>guy!  And even if he remade him, I don't think that he'd be fool enough
>>to make him that horrible.
>>
>You mean the Corinthian, I presume...
>I thought the idea was that Morpheus *needed* to create pretty horrible
>nightmares, for whatever reason he needs to create the other dreams. It
>wasn't so much the Corinthian's nastiness that was the problem, as his
>desire to revel in it in the waking world...
>
>Mike
 
Not exactly ... more the particular nature of his nastiness. Here are some
quotes from the issue in question (#14):
 
Dream: You disappoint me, Corinthian. You, and these humans you created,
  disappoint me. YOU were my masterpiece, or so I thought. A nightmare
  created to be the darkness, and the fear of darkness in every human
  heart. A black mirror, made to reflect everything about itself that
  humanity will not confront. But look at you. ... What have you wrought,
  Corinthian? NOTHING. Just something else for people to be scared of,
  that's all. You've told them that there are bad people out there. And
  they've known that all along.
 
[Corinthian makes various protests.]
 
Dream: No, Corinthian. We shall not fight. And you shall not go back to
  the Dreaming. It is my fault, I am afraid. I created you poorly, then.
  As I do uncreate you now.
 
[Corinthian sort of melts/crumbles. Dream picks up a small skull with
  teeth in its eye sockets.]
 
Dream: The next time I make you, you shall not be so flawed and petty,
  little dream.
 
So it looks to me that the problem was that the problem was almost that
the Corinthian wasn't nasty *enough*-- the idea being that despite the
glorifications, serial murder is really quite a mundane form of evil (or,
better yet, that evil itself is generally mundane.) As Death says, "It's
no harder to be nice than it is to be creepy. And it's *much* more fun."
 
Yours, Si Rowe
__________________________________________________________________
"I think twinkle is a very nice word. So's viridian. I knew a
lady once who had an imaginary fish."      -Delirium
 
"I'm on Aslan's side even if there isn't any Aslan to lead it.
I'm going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there isn't any Narnia."
                                       -Puddleglum the Marsh-wiggle
                                       _The Silver Chair_ by C.S. Lewis
email to: rowjosp@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
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From: bert@snowman.med.umn.edu (Albert Nakano  CBN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cages: Information Please
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:54:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C1HpB0.3ow
Organization: University of Minnesota

Could someone please post a brief synopsis of what Cages is about?  Who is the
writer, how many issues is scheduled, from which publisher, etc would be very
appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

no sig yet,
Albert Nakano
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: DC: coloring
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:49:32 GMT

In article <lm6u6kINNp7h@news.bbn.com> leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:
>
>Recently in some Dc books they have been crediting the coloring to
>"Digital Chameleon" and "Olyoptics".  The digital chameleon, I know,
>is the coloring computer they use.  What is Olyoptics?  And often,
>they don't even mention a person for coloring, ONLY "Digital
>Chameleon" or whatnot.  So do they have some sort of AI coloring
>software (yeah, right) or do they just give the job to some coloring
>hack and don't credit them?

	Olyoptics is, for the most part, colorist Steve Oliff.  I'm
sure he has some other people helping him, but I've never seen any other
credits.

Dara


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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:03:18 GMT

>I haven't seen anyone mention it:
>
>On the shelf with urns on it, one bottle is labelled, "B.Eden", who of course
>was Robin Williams' predesesor in geniedom.

Nope, got that one. Wasn't quite sure what it was doing there, but I did
add it in most anotnated post. The genie things does make sense now that
you mention it, though.

_craig 
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Breakfast of The Damned (was: Death #1 comments)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:58:25 GMT

In <C16LzJ.Ew2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>>Dani> (If you were the greatest of the Fallen, and you could go anywhere
>>Dani> in the multiverse, barring the Silver City, and Earth weren't the
>>Dani> center of creation, would you retire to Australia?)
>
>>I might. They have fantastic beer :-)
>
>Yeah, but they also have marmite.
>Can you honestly see Lucifer Morningstar spreading brewer's yeast
>on toast?

Well, I can see him spreading it on *other* people's toast -- all part of
the friendly service in the Netherworld.

                           "As I speak right now, stage crews are stealing as
                            much as possible."
                                           -- David Letterman
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INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: When was the destruction of Daxam?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan24.194706.1064@sierra.com> danw@sierra.com (Dan Williams - Contractor) writes:
>Text:  The definitive autobiography of Lar Gand.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Must be one of those "as-told-to" books, of course.  I'm just
wondering where one runs across a Zone-o-Phone in our sadly mundane
world.  :-)

Mike

The New DC: Don't Blink, or You May Miss a Retcon
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"I decline utterly to be impartial
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 as between the fire brigade and the fire."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Winston Churchill, July 7, 1926
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu
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From: lecuyer@wam.umd.edu (Catherine L. LeCuyer)
Subject: Re: Grimjack
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:50:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.044357.119786@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ryk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RAJAN YASH KHANNA) writes:
>
>        Does anyone else out there share my fanaticism about Grimjack or even
>        like him ? And does anyone know if anything might reappear ? Recently
>
I read all the Grimjacks with John Gaunt, but about the time he died I needed
to cut back on my buying so that title went. I really liked the title though.
The whole idea of what Cynosure was and the varying realties was facinating
and lots of fun. The Possibilities Are Endless. (no not THOSE Endless)
Does anyone know if they ever came up with a RPG for this world(s).
>
>"No Tourbot's Allowed" - Munden's Bar        RYK,  your friendly Cynosure
>                                                   Tour Guide

Have the "Munden's Bar" stories ever been collected? They should be.
Anyone out there listening? Who do we write?

Cathy the .sigless
From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (The Mantle Clinic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Graphique Musique
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:38:53 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Does anybody remember a title called _Graphique Musique_ 
(or various different spellings of said title) that came out
some years ago from Caliber press?  I remembered hearing about
it but never looked for nor saw an issue.  Only the other day
did I find out the book was by Mike Allred (then calling
himself "M. Dalton Allred") and, as a current _Madman_ fanatic,
I want to locate some of those issues.  I'd like to know
beforehand though if the book is as good as _Madman_ (or at
least nearly as good) so that my searches will be merited.
Thanks in advance for any responses....
--
                     A helpless victim of society...
                                Curt Tsui
                            curt@Virginia.EDU
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Subject: Re: DC: coloring
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:34:24 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Yes, Steve Oliff heads Olyoptics.  In Spawn, Reuben Rude has been credited
along with Steve and Olyoptics as well.  Also, a couple of Olyoptics Spawn
covers were signed with the name Kiko.
                                                   --Eric
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:38:12 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)

In article <C19vD3.D2y@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, silbrmnd@acf3 (Darkmage) writes:
>
>Delirium's been changing over the whole story, maybe she'll finally be
>ready to confront whatever it was that made her stop being Delight?  "I
>don't know how much longer I can be like this...  It Hurts very muchly."
>She's already startin to grow up a little, facing the pain and standing
>up to Destiny while Morph gets it all together...  I *hope* no one dies,
>altho the scene with the Corinthian kinda hints to that.

Hm.  She could become Determination.  Or Defiance.
-- 
    Doug Moran        |  You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch;
   dougm@hal.com      |  you're a nasty, wasty skunk.
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  |  Your heart is full of unwashed socks,
 HaL Computer Systems |  your soul is full of gunk, Mr. Grinch.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:35:59 GMT

jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi:
>>Paradise Lost, 1/3 of the angels revolted, and kicked some major butt until 
>>the Son came on the field.  Now 1/3 is 1/3 of infinity, which is still

>Wherever did you get the idea that Angels are infinite in number? There have
>been various methods to calculate the number of Angels (and Demons) but 
>nowhere have I read that they would be infinite in number. Or is
>this the official view held by the contemporary Protestant/Catholic church?

Not only is there no basis for supposing them to be infinite in number,
but (if I may confuse Protestant poetry and Catholic theology) I seem
to recall that Aquinas concluded that the idea was heretical. 

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DARK HORSE - Aliens - Colonial Marines #1 (SPOILERS)
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:35:36 GMT

In <1993Jan19.165831.28395@samba.oit.unc.edu> Andrew.Brooks@launchpad.unc.edu (Andrew Brooks) writes:

Spoilers follow ...

















>Well, those wacky fun-loving aliens are back, this time inside
>a ghost-ship transporting contaminated waste.  It is opened by
>the generic redneck humans who have no idea what they are
>getting themselves into, and the party starts once more.  But
>this time, there's a new twist - it seems that they have taken
>the Alien^3 premise that the gestating aliens take genetic
>material from their host creatures to produce different versions
>of the finished product.
Mmm - I think that maybe you're jumping to conclusions - the whole plot so far
smacks very much of conspiracy and meddling scientists (fairly typical of
aliens offerings to date). We don't yet know how the humanoid aliens came
about - so far they've just been presented as a 'shock' climax to the first
issue (didn't really work for me, though - I'm reserving judgement for the
time being.)

>This time round, there are humanoid
>aliens that can talk and use weaponry, presumably the result of
>an alien merger with one of the no doubt numerous species
>more intelligent than humans.
I prefer the mad scientist theory, but we shall see....

>As usual the aliens wax most
>of the humans with no trouble whatsoever, while a band of
>misfit colonial marines, including a relation of Vasquez (Aliens)
>make their way towards the rendezvous not knowing what will greet
>them.  The acid blood is conveniently neglected but apart from
>that it is fairly well put together.
Bear in mind that the only people who came into contact with the acid blood
were kited out to deal with toxic waste of the worst sorts - their suits could
well have been acid-proof.
As this is a twelve-issue job, there's obviously going to be loads of plot
developments and twists that simply can't be foreseen at the moment, so I'm
reserving judgement for the time being, but it could be good. I hope so.

Andy 
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Department of Electronics        | A juggler without a theme...
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Malibu-  Protectors
Keywords: new series from malibu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:48:19 GMT

Actually, there is a reason to get the Ferret one-shot.  The text piece at the 
back fills in alot of the history of the Centaur heroes and how they became 
what they are now.
     Oddly enough, in the Arrow one-shot we get a different dialogue between 
Arrow and Man-of-War than in Protectors.  This is sloppy continuity, since I 
believe both were written by the same guy.  However, it could be chalked up to 
each dialog being the different ways the two "heard" it.
     I have several beefs with the Protectors Handbook.  Firstly, it gives away
WAAAAAY too much of the plot.  What good is suspenseful setting up of stories 
if you give away who is really behind everything?  Also, they seem to have 
difficulty with strengths.  Man Of War is 3 times as strong as an olympic 
athlete, but Ferret is 4 times as strong as a normal man.  What the hey? Also, 
Man Of War is seen crumping closed a steel cannon barrel on one of the Steel 
Army dudes, which requires much more than his stated strength.  And Ferret has 
lifted a car, which means that if he's only 4 times as strong as a normal man 
that a normal man can lift 500 lbs over his head.  Yeah, right.  They really 
needs to give strength in better terms than N times human strength, especially 
since how much stronger than a normal man is an olympic athlete?  And the "So 
and so is the Nth strongest on the Protectors" crap doesn't work well either.
     Dave Van Domelen, still likes the series, tho.
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:35:55 GMT

It could be that Destruction knew how close Morpheus and Delerium were
(note the remark about how the hidden room is bubbling and gurgling to
beat the band), as they were literally right next door, and thought
that this meant that they had found his hiding place.  They spent
quite a bit of time on Orpheus's island, and this may account for the
difference in arrival time.

-- 
New York is a splendid place to live for those who can get out of it.
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: I miss Krypto the superdog or Damn, that Crisis anyway!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:46:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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You know, I really miss Krypto.  He was a great character.
Everytime he showed up, it made the issue for me.
And then Byrne comes along and gets rid of him.
Geez, I'm depressed. (I know, it's only a commic book.)
-- 
"`Gay' used to be one of the most agreeable words in the language.
It's appropriation by a notably morose group is an act of piracy."
- Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."- Roger Bacon
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:14:42 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
 <1993Jan23.215253.13383@udel.edu>

I firmly agree with Brian.  Vertigo comics are a fairly unique line being that
they are the most non-mainstream mainstream books out there.  Even though they
are not the top sellers on the market, they must be some of the most read by
the net audience.  Cancellation of Sandman won't change a blessed thing.
Gaiman fully plans to do follow-up specials or limited series spinning off
from the comic, which will undoubtedly get loads of traffic.  Just look at all
the traffic on Death, technically the first spin-off.  And the Vertigo line
will live on after Sandman is gone, with titles like Hellblazer and Shade
especially.  Not to mention all of the planned new series and one-shots.
The Vertigo line needand deserves its own distinct newsgroup.  If it's good   e
enough for X-books, then it's good enough for Vertigo.  I cast my vote for
rec.arts.comics.vertigo.
                                                    --Eric
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Order of the Endless
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:49:59 GMT

Please remove the "alt.comics.lnh" from the newsgroups header on this topic.
     Dave Van Domelen, we're already flooded with non-sequiturs....
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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Signed by McFarlane!  (I swear it is!)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:00:21 GMT
Organization: SPUGE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Underdog (rap50204@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: Last summer most of the Image artists came to the Chicago Comicon. 
: I went and brought along few Amazing Spider-man comics drawn by Todd
: McFarlane.  There was a limit of one signature per person per artist.
: So I gave Mr. McFarlane my Amazing Spider-man #300 to sign.  He put his 
: autograph right on the cover.  Now, if I tried to sell that comic, would 
: I get top-dollar even though I have no proof of him signing it except for
: an eyewitness and a ticket stub to the Comicon?  Do I need a picture of him
: signing the comics in order to prove the signature is authentic?

You will likely get the most cash by selling it to Mr. McFarlaine
himself.  He will recognize his own signature and is the person
who is likely to be the most impressed.

: 
doug
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:40:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.221249.2357@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.062949.17688@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>Yup, that's why I wondered why he called attention to the apparent
>>contradiction.  But like I said, it may not mean anything.
>
>It's not a contradiction. The myths are ambiguous about Orpheus's
>parentage; some say his father was Apollo, some say it was a mortal.
>Given that ambiguity, Gaiman has said that it seemed fair to make
>Dream his father. After all, clearly some of the myth-tellers got it
>wrong; why not all of them?

OK, I'm not familiar with Orpheus' possible mortal origin, but that
would make sense.  However Apollo is the god of music and gave him the
lyre (and later turned him into Lyra), do you remember a reference?  I
vaguely remember a version where Calliope betrayed Oeagrus King of
Thrace with Apollo, but not any details, is this what you're thinking
of?  Anyway, Gaiman's not made a habit of changing myth, except with
Orpheus' parentage, and with this blatently pointed out like this, I
can't but help feel like I've missed something.  On the other hand I
often feel I'm reading closer than I'm meant to :)

>But Kris would be familiar with the most common myth, that Orpheus was
>Apollo's son. (The fact that Orpheus can look straight into the sun
>might encourage this belief.) And since Orpheus was feuding with
>Dream, he wouldn't mention anything to his caretakers to correct that
>misapprehension. 

Plausible, but it sounds like rationalization :) But on your side, I'm
guessing a heckuva lot more Greeks have heard of Apollo and Orpheus,
than have heard of Morpheus, who's pretty damn obscure.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Still too hedonistic for Orphism, after all these years."
   --- Uh, anonymous.  Yeah, that's it
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: A Problem(tm)
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:02:17 GMT

Ok, here's the problem:  I *finally* got my computer to notice that I
had a sig file (my mail program wants .sig, this wants .signature, I
have a nervous breakdown  :).  So what happens? I post some stuff, then
I leave the news program, and I find some mail waiting: none of my posts
were posted, because sig's can only be 4 lines.  So I come back here,
and find that 1- my posts *were* posted, and 2- most sig's were longer
than 4 lines, like I thought.  Anyone know how I can fix this?


			-Darkmage, the Clueless Wonder

--
"And whut-- ah say...  Whut are _YOU_ALL_ goin' t' be doin'?"

"I...?  I shall stand around looking... moody.  And feeling...
 sorry for myself."
From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman TPBs--Different Covers?
Organization: New York University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:01:47 GMT

jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:

>lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>> In article <C182H7.BKA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) asks:
>> >
>> >BTW, any1 know why _Original Sins_ has 2 different covers?

>What is Original Sins?

OS is the Hellblazer TPB, w/ issues #1-8 (or is it 9?  Sorry, don't
remember).  I have *no* idea why I asked this in a Sandman post, but I'm
sure it was relevant....  *8-) Or late at night.....

>> (Can anyone remind me what the Warner cover for P&N looked like? I've
>>  completely forgotten it.)

>I think it was the cover to the first issue....
>-- 
>This is my sig file.

		-Darkmage
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