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From: robinson@ac.dal.ca
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:25:55 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul21.110308.16211@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, fsctc@bass.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence Chang) writes:
>>I agree with you on all but the last.  I would like to see a video that 
>>goes into field dressing.  I've taught myself everything I know about 
>>hunting, with the assistance of books/videos and what have you.  The one 
>>book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather 
>>graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  Even though I've field 
>>dressed deer, I would like to see the approach taken by others.
>>
>>> the ones shot.  Well that's enough harping for now. I'd like to hear
>>> some other video reviews, video's help pass the time till bow season.
>>> 
>>> 					Matt Smith
>>> 
>>> 			79 days to go ( can it really be that long?)
>>Its about that long here too.....just enough time to take my Bowhunter 
>>saftey course. :)
>>-- 
>>John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
>>robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
>>DOD #0069
> 
> 
> 	Well I agree with you here, I guess that I should have been
> more clear in what I meant. An instructional video on field dressing
> would be great, but what I was referring to was what I saw in a video
> called "Midwest Trophy Whitetails" . This video was horrible, except
> for the three magnificent Illinois P&Y bucks taken in it. The two guys
> in the video showed them field dress the last buck in a less than
> tasteful manner. They looked like a couple of starving turkey
> vultures. I guess It might have been interesting or mildly helpful to
> someone who hasn't field dressed a deer before, but there purpose was
> more for show, not instruction.
> 

I think if it isn't, in some way, instructional, then it has no place in a 
video.  Whitetail snuff films do our sport no good at all.

> 						Matt Smith
> 
> 		P.S. Saw a decent 9 pointer last night with an unusual
> double brow tine ~8" long, and about a 14" spread. Also had a doe with
> twin fawns within 25 feet, can't believe I forgot my camera.well only
> 73 days till bow season.  

Time to go scouttin' soon.... :-)

> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Clarence Chang			|     phone: 216-433-4000
> NASA Lewis Research Center     	|    
> Cleveland, Ohio  44135         	|     email: fsctc@bass.lerc.nasa.gov 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
-- 
John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
DOD #0069


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: dmazur@bbn.com (Dave Mazur)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Bowhunting in N.H.
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:05:42 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I realize this is a long shot but you never know unless you ask.

I'm looking for a bowhunting spot in Southern N.H for deer.  
Preferrably east of Rt. 93.  I've been having trouble getting the 
NHFG Wardens to return my calls (you have to leave your number with 
the dispatcher and they supposedly call you back).  Are there any 
public hunting lands that have bowhunting for deer?  The only two 
state parks that I've found are Bear Brook and Piscataway (sp?) but 
I don't know much about them.  From looking at my topo's and driving 
around, the Chester and Raymond areas look fairly good but also very 
populated.  Any suggestions, areas to look, etc?  Are private lands 
the only way to go?  Does N.H. have any state managed hunting areas 
(I believe they are called Wildlife Management Areas in MA)?  
I've also tried the NHFG headquarters in Concord without much luck.
I'm hoping the net can provide me with some clues.

On the same note, how are power-line right-of-ways for hunting?  Who
owns these - the power company or are they leased from private parties?

Fatherhood has forced a change of hunting locales (I can no longer run
out to N.Y. every weekend and am looking for something closer and with
a longer season.  MA has this wonderful three week bow season 
and no Sunday hunting. :-(

Thanks,
dave
From: kpruett@st6000.sct.edu (Kenneth Pruett)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Bug Spray
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:21:23 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Brian Writes:
} 
} From: brianh@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Brian Heifner)
} Subject: Bug spray
} 
} Hello All.
} 	After succesfully scouting for elk a couple of weeks ago I
} remebered a question that came up last season. Bug spray. Can the
} critters out there smell it. I would assume so. Is there a odorless
} bug spray out there?.

I'm not sure about odorless, but I have seen some scent made to smell
like EARTH scent and such.  It smells pretty good too and works pretty
well.  I can't think of the name of it now, but when I find out, I'll
give an update.

} What about other alternatives?. A good cake of mud applied across the
} body?.  Not a good sounding idea.

I've been considering using electronic repellants.  Does anyone know
about using these contraptions and if the deer can detect them,
effectiveness, etc.

?  } 

If your not sure, just try to wear long sleeves and a face net.  The
bugs will buzz around you, but they won't do much damage unless they
are large mosquitos or such.

Kenneth


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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:47:07 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul20.124822.19203@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article someone else writes:
>
>> can do a great deal of harm with the non hunting public. Things like
>> the aftermath of spine shots, bad hits, or field dressing have no
>> place on video IMHO. I've seen a few whose producers should have been
>
>I agree with you on all but the last.  I would like to see a video that 
>goes into field dressing.  I've taught myself everything I know about 
>hunting, with the assistance of books/videos and what have you.  The one 
>book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather 
>graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  Even though I've field 
>dressed deer, I would like to see the approach taken by others.

I agree with John on the part about field dressing.  I've read 
differing opinions about how to field dress deer.  Sam Fadala
writes some good stuff in some of those DBI books.  Pictures
are included and they are graphic, but how else can you convey
the entire message ?  ( Imagine a knot book without pics ! )

John, would you tell us what books you are refering to in your
post ?

Does anyone know of any books with detailed anatomy diagrams of
the various game animals of North America ?

How about butchering techniques ?


       Greg Mitchell             gregm@informix.com
From: zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Subject: Ammo for Hasting barrels
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:51:45 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I saw in the lastest issue of Gander Mt. that Hasting is finally
offering one of their barrels for the Browning pump shotgun.  For
those of you with long memmories, I asked about the above product
about 3/4 of a year ago.  I plan on buying on of these barrels in the
near future and would like you fellow Net.Hunters opinions on ammo.
What have you found to be more accuate, the saboted loads such as BRI
or plain lead swagges like remmington?

Thanks.
-- 
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From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (James B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Pheasant calls
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:26:36 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>Jim:

>    Since reading your posting, I've been thoroughly intrigued by
>the thought of using a pheasant call.  I'm dying to know what
>people have had to say about this.  If it wouldn't be too much
>bother, would you please e-mail a synopsis of what you've heard.
>Also, do you have any idea who sells these things?  I've never
>seen one in a store.  Any pertinent info would be greatly
>appreciated.

>Thanks,

>Lance Robinson
>Utah State University

Lance:

Actually, I've had very few personal email replies. However, I'll
give you the gist of the Wing & Shot article and some ordering
info. I'll also send this reply to rec.hunting since it might be
of interest to others as well.

Article:

Monte Burch. "Calling Upland Game". Wing & Shot magazine Vol.5
No.5 April/May 1991. pp. 15-17


Gist of Article:

Calls are available for bobwhite, quail, pheasant, chukar, and
doves. Manufacturers are Lohman, Knight & Hale, Olt, Haydels, and
Murray Burnham (whoever that is). Calls are mostly used to locate
rather than attract birds by imitating the sound the various
birds make to regroup after a covey is split up. Calls are best
used in the very early morning or late evening, although they can
be used at any time of day to locate singles.

The Lohman pheasant call produces both the locator or assembly
call and the loud, cackling call made by a flushing cock. The
latter call is used to unnerve a tight-sitting pheasant into
flushing. A hawk screamer call is used to freeze a running bird.
The most commonly-used call is for the bobwhite quail.

Lohman makes all of the above types of calls and an audio
cassette that demonstrates the sounds and uses of upland bird
calls. The other companies make only a few of the above types.


Ordering info:

Cabela's carries the Lohman Pheasant and Hawk Screamer calls (but
not the cassette) as well as Quail and Dove calls. They can be
found on page 179 in the 1992 Annual Fall Catalog.

Cabela's
Catalog Subscription Dept.
812 - 13 Ave
Sidney, Nebraska 69160
1-800-237-4444

Dunn's carries Olt (and others) Quail calls.

Dunn's Inc.
Hwy 57E, P.O. Box 449
Grand Junction, TN 38039-0449
1-800-223-8667

I'm not sure what the other mail-order companies carry.

Probably your best option is to write Lohman and Olt directly and
ask for their catalogs and ordering info. Unfortunately, I don't
have their addresses or phone numbers but I bet you could find
them on one of their packages (ie. duck or goose calls) at your
local sporting goods/hunting store.

Good luck!

Jim Powlesland
University of Calgary
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
From: toomer@CS.ColoState.EDU (christopher toomer)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: RE: MAIL ORDER PHONE NUMBERS
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:26:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Here are two phone numbers for mail order houses I have dealt with
extensively.

Gander Mountain: 1-800-558-9410

Cabela's: 1-800-237-4444

Both are extremely conscious of there customers needs.  As an example,
I bought a pair of Cabela's World's Toughest Waders a few years back,
but due to my college schedule, I was unable to use them very much.
I went fishing one day, and my foot got all wet.  I sent the waders
back to Cabela's, and they sent me a full refund.  Yes, I said full.
Needless to say, I bought my next pair of waders, neoprenes this time,
>from Cabela's.  I have no doubt a similar experience could be found
through Gander Mountain.  You can always feel safe buying from either
of these companies.  These opinions are my own.  Both Gander and Cabela's
can expect future business from me.

chris toomer
toomer@CS.ColoState.edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Subject: 16 ga. dilemma
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:46:01 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Response to paul Ritters suggestion to use sabot rounds: unfortunately
they don't to my knowledge make them in 16,only 20and 12. I'm talking
BRI sabots (Winchester or Federal just bought them out) which I would
try since a friend uses them very effectively. (Sorry I didn't get
Pauls address on my mail!) TKS
From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: 9mm for hunting
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:18:59 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I have a Marlin camp 9 rifle, and was wondering how good it would be as
a hunting rifle.  Would the 9mm be large enough to take a deer?  I loaded
some 124gr soft point ammo to about 1200fps.  Would this bullet be able
to stop a deer with 1 shot?

The 9mm pistol is supposed to have around 450 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.
The Marlin Camp 9 is supposed to have 22% more muzzle energy than that,
so it would be around 550 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.  I know for wild boar,
you need at least 800ft/lbs of muzzle energy, so it would be too small
for boar.  

I know that the range will be limited to less than 100yds, but with a
scope I can get pretty good groups.  Let me know what your opinions on
the Camp 9 are.  If anyone out there has experience hunting with one,
let me know how it worked for you.  Thanks, syspb@smartstar.com
From: klett@ghill.enet.dec.com (Michael Klett)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Hunter safety,Mass.
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:53:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Jul21.110214.16061@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph") writes...
> 
>Small flame for Mike(tongue in cheek) Funny how you throw stones at
>Mass. (I live in the fine state of Mass.[NOT}) then proceed to list
>all the FREE informative courses available in this FINE state! Reminds
>me of all the complainers who vote with their feet to N.H. then come
>back down here to hunt and fish cheaply!!!
> 
>(Info: non-resident hunting license N.H.=$70, Mass.=$48.50 plus $5 for
>land acquisition fee{$5 dedicated funds})
> 
>Sorry I don't care for some of the politicians(congressional) but the
>quality of life is to my liking. Hope Tim leaves this in as it really
>is tongue in cheek.
> 

RATHOLE ALERT:

Ouch, good thing I had on thermal underwear ....

I accept the ribbing in good spirits - thanks for pointing out the
positives that I convienently (sp?) overlooked.  Mass. does have a few
good points but a lot of bad points as well....  I long for hunts up
in Maine, New Hampshire, Wyoming, etc.  I guess the grass is always
greener on the other side.

Have fun, good shooting ....

Mike

$ set /mode=RO  ! good night for a while
From: linan%argon.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: DEER/PIG HUNT
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:24:54 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul22.094622.14108@doug.cae.wisc.edu> eden@4ccvw70.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul16.083539.26679@doug.cae.wisc.edu> markm@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Mark Moore) writes:
>>	I am going to go on a combo pig/deer hunt in Northern Cal. and
>>	have a few questions.

>>	2.) Can a person only buy one deer tag.

>You can apply for two deer tags. The zone that you apply for has a
>quota and that quota could be filled. You are not guaranteed a tag for
>that zone until varified by the DFG.


Mark, I would suggest that if you plan on hunting in California for
deer this season you submit you deer tag application YESTERDAY.  My
hunting group and I applied for the X-5 zones lotteries and were
unsuccessful (couldn't be a corrupt process could it? :-) ) so we
have to reapply for one of the first-come first-served zones.  I
called DFG yesterday and found that of all the X zones (which
constitute about half of CA), only X-1 and X-11 have tags remaining.
There are the B and D zones that I did not inquire about but, the
reason I did not inquire is that the typical success rate in these
zones is 11% or less.

You mentioned that you may be using a guide.  If that is the case you
may not need to worry since the DFG lets several large ranches that
provide guided hunts provide their own game management and therefore
they can set there own seasons.  All deer hunting season in CA end by
mid November with the exception of Special Hunts and some of these
large ranches with their own management systems.

Good luck,


>>Mark A. Moore


Mike Linan
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Subject: Re: Single Shot Rifles, big bore
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:25:41 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: single shot


In article <1992Jul22.094654.14208@doug.cae.wisc.edu> paul@sequent.com (Paul Bourgeois) writes:
>
>   I am considering a single shot in .338 cal. I believe Ruger
>makes one in this cartrige. 
>It has 2 inches more barrel than the
>equivalent bolt action which is a plus but is heavier than a
>bolt action, of course you cant shoot again quite as rapidly but
>I am not too concerned about that. I was wondering about how
>accurate they are. What are your experiences? 
>

I've got a Ruger #1 Tropical in .375 H&H.  It's a good rifle and very 
accurate.  Being the Tropical (Jungle) model it has a short barrel which
makes it very handy for Oregon's SUB-tropical rain forests.  In a magnum
cartridge the fast repeat shot would be pretty worthless unless you were
hunting dangerous game.  Otherwise you should take the extra reload time
to allow your vision to clear #-).  With handloads I can consistently 
get 1.5 inch groups, while the Barnes X bullet will shoot .75 inch groups
at 100 yards. However, there are things I don't about the rifle.

1.  Since the front swivel is attached to the barrel, I can't use the
sling to steady my shooting position.  When I've tried putting pressure
on the sling, it changes point of impact 5" at 200 yards.  This is a real
disadvantage for me since I compete in NRA Highpower and would like
to use the things I've learned there while hunting.

2.  With warm handloads, extraction is not 100%.  I've needed to reduce
my handloads to factory equivelents to insure reliable functioning.

3.  The tang safety is shaped and positioned so that it will take out
a substantial piece of your thumb during recoil if you get it in the way.  
Of course with a *medium* bore cartridge such as the .338 :0) you may not 
have this problem.

4.  The finish on my rifle hasn't stood up to 4 seasons of rainy elk 
hunts.  Your mileage may vary.

All in all I like the rifle and it serves me well for my purposes.

>paul@sequent.sequent.com

brian@pdx.csd.mot.com

-- 
"It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
be without effect..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Moving to Palatine, Illinois -- Where to hunt/fish?
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:05:07 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


   From: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA)

	   I would agree that Wisconsin hunting is probably much better 
   than IL hunting. Where can a person who doesn't know someone in WI 
   go hunting. I would be willing to pony up the bucks for a WI hunting
   license but alas have I nowhere to go. Any suggestions?

There is a lot of public land in Wisconsin.  In the south, there are
numerous public hunting grounds that offer pretty good hunting during
archery season.  Supposedly, they are quite good during gun season too
since everyone else heads up north (I know I do).  In the norhtern
part of the state, there is a lot of national forest land.  This
offers quite secluded bow hunting.  This is also where I gun hunt and
you can be quite alone if you want to be.

To find the public hunting grounds, call the DNR (608-266-2621).  The
national forest can be found on any map of the state (they are large
green sections in the norhtern half of the state).  If you want more
info on the national forest land, let me know as I have some district
office phone numbers at home.  The district offices should be able to
provide more general info as well as any topo maps you might want.

I just found out today, that archers can take up to three deer this
year depending where they want to hunt.  In short, if you take a doe
>from up north as your first deer, then you can get two more permits.
One of those additional permits can be used to take a buck anywhere
in the state.  I can't believe how bad I have the itch to go hunting
and the season doesn't open until Sept 19.


happy hunting,
tim
From: HUDSON%EIVAX@UALR.EDU (Keith Hudson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Venison Processing
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:45:32 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Chris Barnes asked how many of us process our own deer...

I do, or have, or did... .  Depending on how you look at it (-8).  Really,
every deer I have taken, I processed with the help of my father-in-law and
(usually) several of my wifes brothers.  He learned how to butcher cattle
when he worked for his dad in their old country store in lower East Texas.
He had the machine shop where he worked make a bone saw (out of old 
bandsaw blades) and several other butcher "devices", bought some large
"butcher" knives and a sausage grinder/stuffer, and was in business on
deer.  We cut out "hams" (roasts?), ribs, chops, backstrap steaks, and
grind all the rest into sausage (half deer, half pork is best).  It takes
several man-hours, but with a bunch of us, its fun (or was).

I say was, because for the last 5 years, I have not lived in Texas, and have
not taken a deer.  Thats part due to living where I don't know the land, and 
part due to getting a job that keeps me too busy (you know when your too
busy when you "don't have time" to hunt [I can't believe I said it!]!!!).
3 years iyMn Arkansas, and I know the land.  I WILL MAKE TIME to hunt this
year (yeah, I know I said that last year....), and I will get another deer.
Nawwww, I'll get two... .

Keith
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Meat Processing
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:40:44 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

WRT hanging. What if one butchered the meat and kept it in the refer
for a few days? Wouldn't this approximate the process of hanging?

				mike
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Slapping forearm with bowstring
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:40:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I was trying to get tighter groups and wondered if I was hitting my
forearm.  So I took off my arm guard and proceeded to make a pretty
nice bruise on my forearm with the bowstring.  

What sort of measures are recommended to fix this problem?  I already
use a bow-sling which I thought was supposed to help.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  There are only 50 days 'til
archery season opens...

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)