From: axg708@cscgpo.anu.edu.au (Ashraf Ghebranious)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Questions and Answers
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:24:33 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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In article <gj156879.728074267@cunews> gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:

>How about instead of telling us "HEY, there is a book you can go and
>read", a scientologist could give us a summary?  I suppose the
>argument against this (from a scientologist's point of view) is "Hey,
>can't be bothered to read the book? Then you don't care enough to
>know!" or some such twisted logic.
>
>(It's a discussion group that doesn't discuss!  Good lord, we're
>going to implode!)
>
>Could the scientologist who posted those real helpful "Turn to page
>whatever" things give us more info?  (Or will an anti-scientologue get
>a book and scan it or give us chunks of it in here?)
>
>                                                  Nik

Good lord! Dont ask for a reasonable answer whatever you do. I can see at 
least two advantages to getting you to go to them instead of them making the 
information avialiable

1) If you are really interested then you show up, else you are not 
interested as far as they are concerned.

2) Once with "happy shiny people" all alike, all telling you of the orgasm 
they had when they floated to a planet somewhere and all telling you about 
the time that they actually saw some one who was one of the first people to 
be told by LRH that his shit is a different color and therefore he is not 
human but better than god. No one actually saw the shit but they all believe 
it to be true so it must be.

Oh I thought of another one. If you come in and if you buy a book to "guide 
you", then they can prove to you that now LRH is dead, he makes no money 
from modern scientology what so ever. In fact he refused to accept his $10 a 
week pay. What a man. What a guy. What a hero. What a bunch of brainless 
people who, having missed Jonestown and the LSD trip's of the 60's are 
getting the own back on the mainly young followers.

Before you read anything these guys suggest you do, get a copy of "Bare 
Faced Messiah". This book was researched over 10 years, all detailed and all 
documented from (get this) Scientology documents on LRH. Unfortunatley for 
the person who suggest the book, he/she had no idea that LRH kept documents 
from the people and places that would later contradict him. When the upper 
echelon actually found out, they were too late to stop publication as the 
publishers actually had a "cart blanche" agreement. 

The book is extremely well written and at the start of each chapter in the "
Great Man's" life, quote what LRH told his followers and the the chapter 
goes into some detail of what actually happened. To me, it seemed that not 
only LRH was a con man and a thief, he was also at one time second in charge 
of a Satanistic church linked to Aliester Crowely who distrusted him 
deeply. It is here one learns that LRH not only dabbles in black magic but 
also, surprise surprise, hypnotism which is the basis of Dianetics. He 
betrayed and abused his wives and several children, he illegally entered and 
stayed on the run in several countries, he made outrageous claims with no 
bonafide evidence at all, wrote his own introduction to Dianetics where he 
praises "the Great Man L. Ron Hubbard". If he did not have anything to worry 
about as he claimed why did he not face the charges, why run? Why disown his 
children and wives from money he never had. Why? Because LRH was nothing 
more than a snake oil salesman and quite good at it too. What I dont 
understand is whay any one would take as truth anything from a man who lied 
about himself and his works through out his entire life. Stupid comes to 
mind.

Ash
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Ashraf Ghebranious                           axg708@cscgpo.anu.edu.au
                                      Australian National University
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