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Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:56:43 -0500 
From: Bruce Sherwood <bas+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronunciation

I've always taught American students to pronounce tuj, tiuj, tiujn as
though they were spelled tu'i, ti'ui, ti'uin.  That is, consider the j
as identical to i in pronunciation.  Then j is simply an orthographic
convention for indicating where the stress lies in the word.  With this
understanding, these words are not problematic at all.

Presumably a phonetician could show some slight difference between
full-vowel i and semi-vowel j ending of a diphthong, but even if there
is such a difference, it would make no difference of meaning in any pair
of Esperanto words.

Similar remarks apply to u and ux (as in ankaux or Euxropo).

Bruce
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Future of Esperanto
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:04:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Nov11.220407.6079
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Actually, I always thought Esperanto was "planned", not "artificial".

:-)  <--- Please don't flame me Ashraf!

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Mail->Group stopped
Date: 4 Nov 1992 23:58:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I must say that our man in Coventry, Will Overington, simply 
refuses to listen to sweet reason:

> A few VORTO: items can be printed and taken down to
> the common room for a gentle read at tea break time.

Well, there is a certain charm in that, I'm bound to 
admit.

>> Secondly, I question the practice of working with English 

> So, it's not fair. Petition the Supreme Court! :-)

Lord!  The cheek of the fellow.

> Look, if you wish to send out VORTO: items with Esperanto
> and Spanish, or Esperanto, Spanish and English or repost
> items that were sent out in Esperanto and English with
> your added Spanish, or take out the English so that an
> Esperanto and Spanish version is produced, then this is
> fine by me.

Please stop.  I'm getting dizzy.

> I don't understand the Spanish.

Lucky lad.  Mine is awful.

Something has come to mind that might be of some small use.  
I recall reading that Esperantists were once disposed to 
engage in a special kind of correspondence called a "rondo".  
The rondo consisted of three or more individuals.  Let's 
say, by of example, that there are three:  A, B, AND C.  A 
begins by writing a letter containing some short entry and 
then sends it to B.  B adds a few more comments and passes 
the letter on to C.  C does likewise and passes the letter 
to A.  And so on, A -> B -> C -> A -> B -> C -> A ad 
nauseam.  The older portions of the letter are discarded 
after they have passed through everyone's hands so the silly 
thing won't get too long.

This sort of thing would go much more rapidly now that we 
have e-mail, assuming that each individual was prompt in 
passing the letter on.  Does this have any appeal, Will?  
You could still do the blessed thing at tea time.

Has anyone had any experience along these lines?

Gene LEDBETTER
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase)
Subject: Re: Mail->Group stopped
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.181425.1484@news.columbia.edu>
pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>
>In article <16896AA77.MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase) writes:
>>
>>Sed la resendoadreso de esper-l estas (lawx mia scio)
>>esperanto@rand.org.
...
>... C^u iu vere scias kion iras kien, kaj bonvolu fari simplan
>desegnaj^on?
 
Jen kiel gxi funkcias lawx mi. Sciuloj bv. korekti:
 
1. funkcio gxis antawx nelonge:
s.c.e. <--> rand.org -> esper-l
resendoadreso por esper-l = rand.org
 
2. funkcio nuntempa:
s.c.e. -> rand.org -> esper-l
resendoadreso por esper-l = rand.org (do nevidebla cxe s.c.e.)
Mi esperas, ke la informo esta gxusta.
Martin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: Mail->Group stopped
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:23:19 GMT

In article <16899E71E.MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase) writes:
> 
>Jen kiel gxi funkcias lawx mi. Sciuloj bv. korekti:
> 
>1. funkcio gxis antawx nelonge:
>s.c.e. <--> rand.org -> esper-l
>resendoadreso por esper-l = rand.org
> 
>2. funkcio nuntempa:
>s.c.e. -> rand.org -> esper-l
>resendoadreso por esper-l = rand.org (do nevidebla cxe s.c.e.)
>Mi esperas, ke la informo esta gxusta.
>Martin


Do se mi bone komprenas, la plej bona sistemo estas afis^i c^e s.c.e sed
legi esper-l. C^u ne eblas plibonigi tion? C^u iu homo respondecas pri
la afero, au^ c^u g^i estas kvazau^-viva kaj faras kion g^i s^atas en
la retlando?


Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Name changes again
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:55:26 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

		Name changes again

  As a footnote to Wasif's article, I can confirm that the US Consulate
in Calcutta is indeed on Ho Chi Minh Sarani. This street used to be
called by some European name (Harrington Street, if I remember right).
The leftist government did deliberately change the name to Ho Chi Minh
Sarani in the late 60s/70s keeping in mind the location of the US consulate :-)
  Another interesting case of renaming in Calcutta is Dalhousie Square which
is now known as B.B.D. Bag. As you might guess, the initials stand for three
freedom fighters (Benoy, Badal and Dinesh if I remember right) who tried
to assassinate Lord Dalhousie.
  However, there is still a town called Dalhousie in Punjab. Other surviving
viceroys include Canning (south of Calcutta) and Lansdowne in Uttar Pradesh.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Marital Status (definition of Hindu)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:18:56 GMT

I think I should clarify that my intention in mentioning Tagore's
perspective on Hinduism in an previous article, which unfortunately
seems to have initiated a controversy on this newsgroup, was merely
to stimulate discussion about "Gora" and not to trigger off yet 
another meaningless Hindu-Muslim dialogue on s.c.b. as it seems to
have done.

For me, the message of "Gora" is that of transcendence from sectarian
religion to humanism. Gora's hubris was that he confused Hinduism 
with humanism. It was only when his European parentage was disclosed
and he was brought face to face with the realisation that he would
be forever unacceptable in Hindu society because of his birth, was 
he able to make the transition from Hinduism to humanism.

I fail to understand why Indu et al are posting to s.c.b. as their
posts do not seem to have anything to do with Bengali society or
culture. They should take their discussion to the *.religion hierarchy.



Shubhechhantey,

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Hindus in parliament
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:36:32 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu


In 1990 the number is 7. one is elected with the ticket of
Ershad's Jatio Party.

---Zakir 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Subject: Re: News
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:04:57 GMT
Summary: Ammadiya mosque incident - no confirmation yet - hope it's not true!

In article <SAHMED.92Nov3154631@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
> Still no news on the Ahmadiya mosque incident from any sources. 
> Does the original poster have any more news?

I had posted the original article based on an unconfirmed report. When I
called home last week my dad told me that the story of the attack on the
mosque had just started to circulate. He had mentioned that it was a 
"word-of-mouth" report. I hope the report was false just as were the report
of Rashed Khan Menon's death or the story of cannibalism in the Chinese
embassy.

Bangladesh has always enjoyed a certain level of communal harmony through
the years, the only exception being the govt. inspired incidents against
Hindus at the end of Gen. Ershad's dictatorship. It would be very sad to
see any communal incidents ruin our otherwise good record.

Shubhechhante,
Wasif
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:5786 soc.culture.pakistan:16542 soc.culture.indian:36650
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 05:26:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 bernina.ethz.ch> <69228@cup.portal.com>
  <ZEESHAN.92Nov10133902@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>


>	Oh My God!!!
>	Quick!  someone shoot him before he unwittingly triggers off
>the Long-Dormant Yale-Oberlin Military Expenditure Flamewar(tm)!!
>	=)
>
>farewell-
>zeeshan

I get a contract on my head for the lack of maturity demonstrated by
Yale and Oberlin students...

And to think I turned down both universities. Nobody said life was
fair :-).

Hassan
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: RELIGIOUS FLAME, Where is it?
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:06:46 GMT


Dear friends,
     I am getting lot of letters saying that there
is lot of religious flame going on in SCB. I am not
sure if I am sorry that I had started it. But I rarely
see any of my posts getting replies. Is it that I am
not getting them. I am confused.

I wonder where the big tigers of the net has GONE. Is it
really difficult if(?) they have GOD in their side to defend.
Many people are replying me by email. I am personally taking
pain to explain them my views. Why am I not able to see any
flame. Or is it the tactics to put off the flame by ignoring the letters.

 I am sorry if I had asked a very difficult question. My questions were
on
1) INTER_RELIGIOUS MARRIAGE
2) Why bother about silly points like if JESUS died on the
cross or not. Was it a part of the massage that God wanted
to convey through JESUS?

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: RELIGION
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:09:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.045038.13577@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp> f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:
>
>All reigions are just different paths to the same almighty god.
>The multi-god system is just to facilitate the imagination of
>the difficult concept God. In Hinduisim, the system of multi
>god can be considered as representation of different virtues.
>For example Saraswati represent the knowledge. It is a symbolic
>OBJECT ORIENTED APPROACH. The stories connected are also symbolic
>representing how we should behave.
>
>If I am wrong Please enlighten us
>with regards
>SUPRATIC GUPTA
>
>

Supratik,

Why don't you take this religion out of soc.culture.bangladesh
and into soc.religion.hindu or soc.religion.islam ? I am sure
that will be a much more appropriate forum, and you will also
have a greater probability of being "enlightened" !

Shubhechhantey,

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Explainn my views in details..
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:26:40 GMT


Dear readers,

I think many of the reader didnot understand my point
about MOHAMAD THE PROPHET. I will try to explain.

I want to say that:

1) GOD is not going to send any more masanger. So it is only
in our hand to make this world a better place to stay.

2) The facts like
a) Jesus a son of God or a simple Prophet.
b) Adam and eve.
c) Mohamad is a Prophet
d) Jesus was not killed on the cross etc etc

does not effect our life once we accept what they were supposed to convey
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to us. Once we accept what they wanted to convey these facts become
unnecessory. How we accept them without accepting there prophethood
is totally a different question. These facts are only useful for people
who have lot of time to discuss all this like you me or AHMED DEDAT.

Tell me one thing>

How does it matter to a preson who is not able to earn two
peaces of bread if JESU had died on the CROSS or not?

I hope you understand what I said.
with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: IN?OUT of Islam.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:40:38 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.systemsy.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Nov6.103846.20637@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp>, f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:

> I have recieved many responses on the topic of excepting
> or rejecting Islam. I will try to be brief in speaking 
> about the responses.
> 
> 1) Some people said that One has no right to reject Islam.
> Other said that it is not explicitly mentioned that that one
> cannot leave Islam. It might have been implemented to restrain
> people from coming in and out of this religion there by making
> it a joke.
> 
> 2) I asked a Question that 
> Please answer from your heart not from Quran.
> 
> If a man follows all words of Mohamad, Follows only Allah but 
> when asked about prophet hood of Mohamad says that it doesnot
> matter to me. Any way I follow everything that he said, Is he
> a muslim?

[stuff deleted]

> Why is AHMED SHAKIL not responding to this question? He spoke about
> Hinduisim as a part of the discussion. (Sorry Ahmed for calling
> name. I respect you. So I would like your participation. I would
> like to hear what your heart says, Please not what Quran says. I
> know really what Quran says about 5 pillars.)

I thought you and I had already beaten this issue to death by email,
so I chose not to reply.  I don't think we are going to get any closer
to understanding on scb, but let me just summarize anyway.  As far as
(1) goes, I think ark@ukc.ac.uk posted a good answer.  Now to (2):

If you don't care whether Muhammed (pbuh) was a prophet or not, why do
you care whether you are a Muslim or not?  Clearly, you have your own
set of beliefs and you are most welcome to have them.  If they happen
to overlap with Muslim beliefs, good for you.  But being a Muslim
means accepting that Muhammed (pubh) was a prophet.  If you don't care
for that, then I don't see why you care whether you're technically a
Muslim or not.  Clearly, if your beliefs are the same as that of a
Muslim, then you believe everything prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said
anyway.

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: ???????
From: debug@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:01:56 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Why SCI readers are always after SCB ?
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: SAARC Cricket
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:41:30 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu

Bangladesh will be the host of the first SAARC cricket tournament.
This will start in Dhaka on december 3rd. Bangladesh,Sri Lanka
Pakistan and India will participate. India has already announced
the team. M. Sing of Delhi will be the captain and Novojit Shidu
will be v. Captain. Shourav Ganguli and Rushi Gigiboy of Bengal
are also included in the team.

---Zakir

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahni@ii.uib.no (Sahni Daljeet Singh)
Subject: Re: INDIA TODAY needs correction
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 06:19:15 GMT

>The 15th October issue of the famous INDIA TODAY 
>magazine has published a report on the Biharis in
>Bangladesh.There is also a picture of Baitul
>Mukarram mosque with some beggars in front of the
>mosque . the words written under the picture are,
>" Destitute and diseased refugees protesting before
>the Bangladesh assembly".
>I don't know if it is a mistake or intentional?
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why should it be intentional? Can you elaborate?

>---Zakir

Daljeet.
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangalis to be more worldly(Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:09:39 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <4815@equinox.unr.edu> hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>Currently, as you know, if any of our neighbors (india and Burma) wants,
>they can invade and take over Bangladesh just like what Iraq did to Kuwait.
>Then don't espect the UN to do what it did against Saddam. You all know that
>we are now also having border problems with both the countries. What of if one
>decides to take a large scale military offensive. We need to be prepared.
>
>You have probably also heard Indians talking about Bangladesh to be taken over
>by India infect even in this network. That feeling goes for many Indians. Who
>knows, maybe even the government has the same feelings. We have to build up
>a strong defense before we make anything since what we make may never be safe.

[ stuff deleted ]


>We must be prepared.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Ashraf.







You sir are not only an ignorant fool but also a congenital idiot.
If you want to continue to post such garbage, I suggest that
you take it out of SCI and stop wasting bandwith.




A.L.




P.S. flame me if you want, but i will not discuss this nonsense witha moron



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: name changes in bangladesh (more)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:57:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.201137.11741@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar) writes:
>
> It would have been interesting if the
>US consulate in Calcutta had been on Ho Chi Minh Sarani!
>
>Shubhechhante,
>Wasif


It is!

The U.S. Embassy in Calcutta is on Harrington Street, which has been
renamed Ho Chi Minh Sarani several years ago.

Who says leftists do not have a sense of humour ?  :)

Shubhechhantey,

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@brahms.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: [FAQ] anyone?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:40:41 GMT

I have been thinking for some time that SCB needs  a  compilation
of  FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) and their answers. I myself
won't have time to do much about  setting  this  up,  and  I  was
wondering if some people could volunteer to take this up.  People
who have any  information  about  the  FAQs  should  email  their
answers  to  the  volunteer who could then compile the list. This
list could then be periodically posted, or could even  be  stored
at an archive site accessible to all. I might be able to post the
FAQ on a regular basis.

Volunteers anyone?

These are some of the topics that I think should  be  covered  by
the  FAQ. Some of the elements in this list have been unabashedly
copied from the FAQ that exists for SCI.

 1) Information on Passport Renewals
 2) Addresses of Bangladesh Consulates  in  US
 3) Information on Remitting Money
 4) Misc Junk..
 5) Bangladeshi Books and Magazines
 6) Bangladeshi Newspaper Subscriptions
 8) Shortwave Radio Frequencies
 9) Custom Regulations and Baggage Rules 
10) Tourist Information
11) Pal to Secam Conversion 
12) Addresses of U.S Consulates in Bangladesh 
13) Visa cutoff date 
14) Travel agent information
15) Visa Renewals

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu
From: hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Electrical Engineering
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:37:03 GMT

Reply-To: hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: soc.culture.bangladesh.
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno
Keywords:
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (nowhere_man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangalis to be more worldly(Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:08:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

what is the point of this posting (hakim@unssun.UUCP)?

anti-india or anti-burma (maynamar(?)) propaganda?

call to make bangladesh a super power?

isn't there anything better to do? like feeding the poor?
and take care of those perennial floods and storms? and the
job/homeless people? and the population?

(or are u saying the army will provide jobs and drive more people to
neighboring countries than ever before.. that will solve all the
problems!!!)


 !!
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Bangladeshis in US elections.
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:51:51 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu

according to a survey by weekly Probashi of NY, 98% of
the Bangladesi-Americans have voted for the Democrats in
the presidential and other local elections.This is for the
first time an Organization of the Bangladeshi-Americans
has actively particiated in the campaign for the Democrats.
They also raised money for Bill Clinton and Solarz ( who of 
course lost in the primary)

---Zakir