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From:         RGLYNN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Subject:      OED2 CD-ROM

OED2 network version

With reference to contravening the licence for the standalone
version, I repeat what I said on 27 November:

"The standalone version of the OED2 on CD-ROM is intended for
use on a single PC and should not be mounted on a network.  This
is explicit in the licence agreement that is shipped with the
publication.  Use of the standalone version on a network contravenes
the terms of that licence.  If you want to access the CD-ROM on a
network you MUST buy the site licence appropriate to the number of
users supported by that network.
    For full information on the availability of the network version
(which will be for Novell 3.11 networks), please get in touch with
our Customer Sales Manager, Janet Caldwell, email OUPJSC @ the same
address as mine, tel. 0865-267979."

I should have added that for US customers, the contact is our office
in New York (Royalynn O'Connor, tel. (212) 679 7300; no email).  All
US sales go through New York not through Oxford, consequently I have
no knowledge of any arrangement Cindy Harper may have made with NY,
but will advise them of her message to CDROMLAN.

To run the network version you will need: Novell 3.11 network; client
PCs with 80386 processor, VGA monitor, 2 Mb free RAM, IPX/NETX
version 3.x, DOS 3.0 or higher, Windows 3.1;  the Novell server
should have an 80386 processor, 3 Mb free RAM, Netware 386, DOS 3.0
or higher.

It is true that the network version is not yet available -- this
is still being tested and some further revisions are to be made
to it before we can ship.  Not least among these revisions is the
implementation of a checking mechanism that detects use of the
software on the network to ensure that the terms of that particular
site licence are being observed.  It is rapidly becoming apparent
to us that it is imperative that we do this in order to protect
our software.

If you have purchased only the standalone version and have succeeded in
getting to run on your network, you are in clear breach of the licence
agreement unless you have individually come to an arrangement with
Oxford or one of our branch offices to do this.  If you have copied
the documentation supplied with the standalone version to support
use of the application on a network, then you are breaching the
copyright of the manual, which carries its own ISBN and can be
purchased separate from the package.

I have to say that it makes me very sad to have to spell this out.
I would have thought that it went without saying that you must
keeps within the terms of the licence you accepted when you first
opened the shrink wrapping on the package.

Ruth Glynn
CD-ROM Project Manager, OUP
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From:         CHARPER@COLGATEU.BITNET
Subject:      OED2 for Mac and IBM

Ruth Glynn of OUP:

Since you are going to provide both Mac and IBM software for the OED2,
does Oxford plan any enlightened sales policy such as allowing a site to
purchase both packages for a discounted price over purchasing each separately?
SilverPlatter has begun such a policy, charging just $100 more to receive BOTH
formats.  This is really a boon to sites which will be networking the software,
but have a mixed audience to whom they're supplying the product.  At Colgate,
our English department which is most interested in OED has about 1/2 PCs and
1/2 Macs, so it's a difficult decision if we can only cater to one platform.

**************************************************************************
Cindy Harper, Systems Librarian                               Case Library
charper@colgateu                                        Colgate University
charper@center.colgate.edu                                    13 Oak Drive
(315) 824-7363                                           Hamilton NY 13346
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From:         Doug Tremere <DOUG@MLNC486.MLNC.COM>
Subject:      Re: CDROM Drives

Well, I must confess that I am prejudiced about this, but I'll throw in
the 2 cents worth...

I reccommend Hitachi CD-ROM drives (actually, Hitachi drives in TODD
cases).  As far as reliability and durability, you cannot beat them.
Also, you can start with one drive and expand up to eight per interface
card by just getting another drive & cable.

I say I am prejudiced because I sell this equipment.  But we have sold
Hitachi and TODD products to libraries since 1988 and I can honestly say
that if the due one thing, they last!

Good luck in your search!




> From:          MARY JO GIGLIOTTI <MGIGLIOT%BROCK1P.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
> Subject:       CDROM Drives

> We are in the process of acquiring a LANtastic network for our CDROMs.  We nee
 d
> to upgrade our CDROM drives.  Can anyone comment on which drives work best for
  t
> them?
>
> We are interested in a) durability
>                      b) ease of use - now we have Laser Magnetic Storage
>                         International Co. CM121 drives that require the
>                         use of a caddy to load each disk.
>                      c) compatibility with LANtastic
>
> If you reply directly to me, I will summarize.
>
> Mary Jo Gigliotti
> Drake Memorial Library
> SUNY Brockport
> Brockport, NY 14420
> Internet:  mgigliot@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu
> Bitnet:  mgigliot@brock1p.bitnet
> Phone: 716/395-2450
>Doug Tremere                           Missouri Library Network Corporation
Computer Services Manager              St. Louis, MO         1-800-264-3799
equipment@mlnc486.mlnc.com
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Date: 15 Dec 92 19:17:17 GMT
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RE: THE QUESTION ON RECOMMENDED BRANDS OF CD-ROM DRIVES

We currently use Hitachi 3750s and 3650 SCSI drives.  I have been
extremely pleased with their performance.  I have never had to have
one of these drives serviced, and they run 24 hrs/day, 7 days/week.

We did run Toshiba internals, but we began having problems after they
had been installed about 2 yrs.  I have now switched over entirely to
the Hitachi drives.

By the way, we buy the 3750s for around $400 from Computer
Discount Warehouse (Chicago, IL).Arne J. Almquist
Assistant to the Director of Libraries for
Networking and Microcomputer Resources
University of N. Texas--Libraries
P.O. Box 5188
Denton, TX  76203-0188

ph. 817/565-3278
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From:         "M. Long" <M.Long@MASSEY.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Holiday Humor 8-)))))) Passing it on....

Sheryl

Yes - has seen and enjoyed that one and will pass it on to John. Love the reply
on IBM manuals as well!
John is expecting a message from you - says he sent you one some time ago
 (about archives????).

Mary
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Mary Long
Massey University, New Zealand.
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From:         "katie wilson" <kwilson@LIBRARY.MQ.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: TCP/IP access to Novell/Multiplatter netwo

On Thu, 10 Dec 1992, Howard Pasternack wrote:

> A reminder that the SilverPlatter ERL (Electronic Reference Library) is
> designed to provide tcp/ip access to a fileserver running the SilverPlatter
> databases. The ERL will use client/server architecture and will ultimately
> provide clients for a variety of platforms, including DOS and Macs.
> A UNIX client is also a possibility. The server for the ERL will be a high
> end UNIX workstation.


Thanks. I did know about the ERL beta test at Brown but only accessing
SilverPlatter databases is a problem as we have many other vendors on
the network.
>
> Brown University is the beta site in North America for the ERL.  At
> present, the hardware has been installed and library testing of the DOS
> client is expected to begin in January.

I look forward to hearing about the results of the beta test.
>
Katie Wilson
Electronic Information Services Librarian
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From:         "Colegate V. Spinks" <ZCVS1@ADM.ANGELO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Satellites and Internet

Well, you can purchase a Celluar type phone service if you own a bird's
eye satellite dish. That and a modem on your PC would then provide the
ability to get to an internet provider and then you have internet on a
satellite dish. Or are you looking for another flavor of internet.
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From:         Marilyn Beamish <M.Beamish@INS.GU.EDU.AU>

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From:         "D.E. 'Dave' Bloomberg" <BLOOMBER@FAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Macs vs IBM

    Hiya,

    Everyone get their shopping done??  NOT....

    Begin $.02 here......

     Both systems have strengths.  Both systems have weaknesses.  The
     bottom line gets very fuzzy in some situations, BUT for most
     settings out there, IBM Compatibles are the BETTER choice NOW.
     With budgetary constraints growing tighter all over the place,
     sometimes the BETTER system is not the best supported.  MAC may
     have the "PC" beat hands down; but the vendor support is in the
     "PC" arena.  The talent pool is in the "PC" arena.  It allows
     the most utility to the most people NOW.  As time goes on the
     Mac may win out, but by then, enough support people will have
     been exposed and trained to allow for a smoothe transition into
     that world.

If the techno-guru's are correct, the techology in 1994 and beyond will be
     headed towards the systems being developed by Apple/IBM/Motorola
     joint venture that is "supposed" to absorb the best features of
     both worlds.  If I recall correctly, the first systems are
     projected for mid-late 1993.  These systems will be the migration path
     for many of us, not jumping from PC to Mac or vice-versa.

     Most people who are making buying decisions now, can't wait
     until 1994 to decide.  Going from paper to electronics is
     stressful enough.  Unless you have access to solid technical
     support at your right-hand, the more correct choice is to go
     with the platform that has the most available support ffrom the
     most number of vendors.  As I right this, that choice is the
     "PC" market.  Again, it may not be the BEST choice for all
     situations; but it is the better choice for most people out
     there now.

     end $.02 now....

     Dave Bloomberg
     BLOOMBER@FAUVAX
     BLOOMBER@ACC.FAU.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:39:24 CST
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From:         Phil Teague <DEMB001@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: texel drives

In regards to the Texel DM 3024 CDROM drives.
I have installed one of these drives using an Adaptec 1542 host adapter
and the Trantor driver software.
We are using Meridian's CDNET software. It worked very nicely and appeared
to operated more quickly that the Hitachi 1700S drives that we have been
using. However, that might be expected considering that they are rated to be
not only faster access drives but also double speed. The thing we won't
know for a while yet is how dependable they are. I ordered six more of them
in spite of that.

Look at the newest issue of PC Magazine. It picks the NEC CDR 74 as the
editors choice, but, says generally good things about the Texel.
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> This is my third, and last, question for the day.  Does anyone foresee the
> day when Internet will be accessable through satellite dishes?
>              *******************************************************
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Harriet,

  I would assume that anything is possible although I would also seem to feel
that Satellite communications are not as reliable as phone lines
(interference etc) and everyone knows what happens when we get a little line
noise.  I would guess that if it's ever possible it won't be for a while!!

      Craig Finley
      Bentley College>
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From:         Vivien Lim <CCELIMLL@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CD CONNECTION

I have bought three ASC-86 SCSI adapters.  I have a CD server with 21
CDROM drives ( 14 drives in one tower unit and 7 cdrom drives on a daisy
chained tower unit ).

When I installed one card on the CD server, it works fine and I could
access all the 7 CDROM drives.  But, when I installed the second ASC-86
SCSI card onto the server, the server failed to start.  It hang when the
CBISDRV.sys is being loaded.

The following are my config.sys, cdconfig.sys and autoexec.bat files.

filename       content
--------------------------------------------------------
config.sys     device=cbisdrv.sys /D:CDROM001 /N:8 /H:2
               files= 30
               buffers=20
               lastdrive=z

cdconfig.sys   CD:CBISDRV.SYS
(part of it)   CN:2DROM001      (when you run cdconfig, it changed
                                 CDROM001 to xDROM001 where x is the number
                                 of SCSI adapters you specified)
               CU:8             (no of cdrom drives connected)
               CL:G             (fisrt logical drive letter)

AUTOEXEC.BAT   ipx
               xcdserve /S:CDSERVE2 /U:16 /N:4 /B:6 /F:20 /L:G

If you are using CBIS CD Connection and have more than one ASC-8x SCSI cards
in your server, I would appreciate if you could help me.

Thank you.

Regards,
Vivien Lim
National University of Singapore.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:27:04 EST
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From:         Steve Hardin <LIBHARD@INDST.BITNET>
Subject:      Position Announcement

POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT - Indiana State University Libraries

The COORDINATOR OF ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICES provides
leadership in the planning, development, implementation and
outreach activities for the CD-ROM component of an extensive
campus-wide information network.  The information network is a
creative and rapidly growing electronic information services
program which also includes a NOTIS online system, other
university catalogs in the State of Indiana, locally
developed databases and gateways to databases external to the
campus.

DUTIES: Maintains the CD-ROM network and directs a vigorous
training program of online and CD-ROM databases for library and
university faculty, staff and students.  Participates in the
library outreach team and library instruction, and serves at the
Information Desk.  Reports to the Head of the Reference
Department.  Supervises two library faculty members and one
support staff member in the Electronic Information Services Unit.
May participate in collection development program.

REQUIRED:  An ALA accredited Master's Degree and five years of
academic library experience in reference/information services.
Experience/knowledge of computer systems, network applications,
online searching, emerging information retrieval technologies and
telecommunications.  Outstanding oral and written communications
skills with positive interactive experiences with faculty, staff
and students.  Successful supervisory experience.  Strong
commitment to innovative information technologies in a changing
and growing academic environment.  Excellent analytical and
creative problem-solving skills.

DESIRED: Second subject Master's Degree, training/instructional
experience.

BENEFITS:  Faculty status, tenure track and excellent fringe
benefits.

Minimum salary of $33,500, depending on qualifications and
experience.

APPLICATION:  Send letter of application, resume and names/
addresses/telephone numbers of three current references to Hal
Cheney, Chairperson, Library Search Committee, Indiana State
University Libraries, Terre Haute, IN, 47809.

Screening of applications will begin on January 29, 1993, and
continue until the position is filled.

ISU is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer,
committed to cultural diversity in its people and programs.
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From:         "LINDA NEWMAN--UNIV. OF CINCINNATI--(513)556-1441"
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Subject:      Re: Novell LAN to Novell LAN connections

At our campus (Univ. of Cincinnati) the routers maintained by our computer
center do route IPX protocols, as well as LAT and TCP/IP.  Therefore,
if a Novell LAN is connected to the campus ethernet backbone, workstations
on that LAN can find the Libraries Novell file server, and can logon or
attach if we have set up an account for them.  Our connection to the campus
ethernet backbone is from our Twisted Pair Ethernet Hub.

If the campus or institution routers don't route IPX protocols, but do
route TCP/IP, then the IPX tunneling seems the next solution.  However,
folks at our computer center have stated that Novell plans to add
in its next release TCP/IP as a parallel protocol to IPX, so that
workstations could log on to Novell running TCP/IP drivers
and not IPX?  I have not seen this in print.  Does anyone out there
know more about what Novell proposes to do?
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From: arturo@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Arturo Puente)
Subject: Address of Kubik Enterprises.?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:55:28 GMT

 Does anyone know the address of Kubik Enterprises (The maker of the 240 discs
 4 readers jukebox).?
 Please answer to intevep!arpuente@conicit.dino.ve or post in this newsgroup.
 Thank you in advance for your help..
	Arturo Puente
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From:         Barbara Bergquist <bberg@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CDROM networking

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 RANDIJ@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU wrote:

> Does anyone know of any CDROM databases appropriate for K-12 libraries
> that do not have extra license fees for mutiple users.
> Thanks
> randij@venus.ycc.yale.edu

- - - - -
Wilson CD-Rom databases do not have fees for networking.
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From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Macs vs IBM

This might be a second posting by me on this topic, but my first seems
to have gone to bit heaven.

I guess I find this discussion of Macs versus PCs somewhat akin to comparing
DEC to IBM or OS/2 to DOS.  Each platform has its strengths and the righteous
are not going to convert the heathen.

Since this list is about networking CD ROMs, let's be up front and admit that
at present networking bibliographic CD ROMs is pretty much a DOS game.
While things may change, most CD vendors with the notable exception of
SilverPlatter do not provide software for the Mac.  And even SilverPlatter's
Mac software is not multi-user.  But there are also some Macintosh products
out there which are pretty nifty; Perseus is one which immediately comes
to mind.

As far as general user applications go,  you can find evidence to prove
anything you want.  Site X may be all DOS.  Site Y may be all Mac.  And
Site Z may be mixed.  My hunch is that most sites are mixed, because the
user population is diverse and requires a variety of platforms.  And if
you are setting up a library cluster of public workstations to be used for
things like word processing, you are
going to have to support roughly the same mix of machines as the computing
center supports in its clusters.

Howard Pasternack
Brown University
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