From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:54:03 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Oct9.133516.9819@hippo.ru.ac.za> g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za (Lt Sajid Rahim) writes:
>Firstly, I dont think there is anything wrong with modeling.

	   That is your personal opinion, and I respect that.

> It is
>a completely respectable career and should NOT at all be equated
>to as by some to prostition and what not. Those of you who think 
>like that, let me express my sympathy for you. 

	   That is a matter of opinion. It seems like some people do
equate it with prostituion, whereas others don't. In my opinion,
neither group deserves sympathy. It is a matter of their personal
opinion, and I can't pass a judgement on the quality of their
judgement. 

>You people are
>the one who keep your women under chador and dont allow them to
>come out of the house. 

	   It is a matter of "you people" and "their women", and I don't
see why Lt. Sajid Rahim needs to be asked. The city pimp never asks
the local Imam before he places "his women" on the "market".

>It is you mistreat them. It is you who think of them as animals.

	   The conclusion does not follow from the premise.

>It is fine for you to what other women but if your woman looks at
>any other man then she is bad and deserves punishment. 

	   There I would agree with you... there does seem to be a double
standard in the way men and women are treated in sexual matters.
A person who condemns women checking out men, should also condemn men
checking out women. [I, for one, do not condemn either ;-)].

>It is not
>your fault but the fault of the society and religion that you
>grew up in.

	   Thanks for the enlightenment. Say, my dear Lt. sahib, which
society and religion did yu grow up in, and which society and religion
would you ahve liked to grow up in. Then ask your preferred scoeity if
they shall accept you as their member. Verily not!

>Then, as the discussion moved on, mention was made of liquor. There
>is frankly nothing wrong in taking liquor.

	   Now, let us see who is passing a value judgement! Who died and
left our military man to decide the laeful and prohibited for the
world in general.

> So many of your muslims
>brethern and revolutionaries claiming to be champions of your 
>religous cause do it anyway under the cover of darkness. 

	   And, so many don't! The consumption of liquor is a personal
matter, whether someone drink or not, is not a matter for you or I to
decide. 

>Where lies the guilt when the ulema are corrupt. 

	   So are some non-ulema. :-) First of all, it is quite
presumptuous of you to disqualify all ulema. Treat every individual
for what (s)he is worth, and do not generalize, my friend.

>Just as Khalil Gibran says in
>his the Satan, relating the dialogue between a priest and Satan.
>"without me (Satan) you will be what you are. The rewards you get
>by telling the people that I (Satan) am evil, shall no longer be
>there. Without me, you are not there". ALthought I do disagree with
>him, there is no such thing as satan or god. 

	   Now, now, sir! You have every right to quote Khalil Gibran,
and make your insightful deductions from it. However, if you do this,
you can't condemn a theist (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or
whatever) for reading, quoting, and drawing conclusions from their
holy book.

>It is just humans
>imagination and weakness which have brought about these concepts.

	   That is a revelation to me ;-).

>I would urge all of you out there to get the book called
>"Breaking the Curfew"- I am forgetting the name of the author.

	   The name is Emma Duncan, and I have already read it. However,
I don't see the relevance here. As a matter of fact, I think I read it
more carefully than you did... at least I remember the author. Anyway,
personally I found Satanic Verses cooler than Breaking the Curfew. :-)

>Then make up your mind about modelling or westrenism. My friends,
>it is a dust which is covering your eyes. Remove it and see life
>as it is. Donot try to judge others. 

	   After passing all sorts of judgements on people which I find
among my fellow humans, you tell us not to "judge others". Fauji
Sahib, start by practising what you preach, and thence proceed to
greater things.

>Sincerely
>--   Sajid Rahim, Dept of Computer Science, Rhodes University,     --

	   Sincerity starts with being sincere to yourself.

Aap subb kaa apnaa

	   dsqa




















































































































































































































































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