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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Red Sox poll?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:06:17 GMT

In article <1459000006@igc.apc.org> Global Action Network <gan@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>In retro, I think the Sox are the only team in baseball who 
>only need to protect two players, Clemens and Viola, in the 
>upcoming draft.
>
>Series or Cellar, We love our Sox!
>Deane

You must really be hoping for "Cellar", then.  Not only do you need to
protect at least four or five minor league prospects, but I'd protect
all of the players with less than three years major league experience.
And while Dopson isn't an ace pitcher, he's done a reasonable job.

The future of the Sox hangs on what Lou does this winter.  I'm hoping
that he dumps/trades Reardon, Pena, Boggs, Brunansky, Winningham,
Hatcher (unless he's willing to accept a *small* salary), Burks,
Greenwell, and Young.

Depending on what he gets for them or signs with the now-freed salary,
the Sox might even be competitive in '93.  But only if they keep the
young core of Plantier, Vaughn, Wedge, Valentin, Cooper, and Zupcic
intact to supplement Clemens, Viola, Dopson, and Harris pitching.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:17:11 GMT


> dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:

>Having said that, I still don't believe they will sign Cone.  He will
>want $20 million over 5 years, and the Jays won't want him for more
>than 3.  (Though they might try to offer 3 years guaranteed with 2
>option years, and see if he'll take that.)

If you can land Cone for a measly $4-million a year, DO IT! He's got some 
strikeout crowns, a great lifetime won-loss record and at least five 
consistently good years under his belt. I doubt he'll make anything less
than $6.5 million next year, wherever he signs.

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

 Mr. Neutron: This is a nice area.
 Mr. Entrail: It's like a bloody graveyard. I hate it.
 Mr. Neutron: It's handy for the shops and convenient for the West End.
 Mr. Entrail: If you like going to the West End. I think it's a stinking dump.
From: rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cal Ripken Signed
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:40:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Originator: rkidwell@slash.stsci.edu

From article <1992Aug26.125512.2369@cs.cornell.edu>, by tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer):
> 
> That being said, I think Cal Ripken will turn out to be a bust.  Last
> year notwithstanding, he is over the hill.  This year is is worst
> ever.  Before that, 1989 and 1990 were career bottoms.  He will be 36
> in the last year of his contract, and while he might earn $6 million
> next year, I doubt he will be worth it after five more years of
> decline.
> 
> Of course, there is one more factor to consider.  Ripken is worth
> quite a bit to the Orioles for his ability to draw fans.  So perhaps
> he isn't quite so ridiculously overpaid.
> 
> Sorry, O's fans!

No apology necessary. IMHO, this 'deal' was not intended to enhance the O's
chances of winning for the next five years if it means not paying the other
(producing O's) fairly, or puts the O's effectively out of the remaining free 
agent market. O's ownership has a cheap (and deserved) reputation. I guess
the ability to draw fans was thee dominant factor. We will have to wait and
see what happens to the rest of the team...while Cal slides into shortstop
mediocraty. Funny how the media stated "...this should take the PRESSURE
off of Cal, who admitted the contract thing was bothering him..." Right!
I wonder how much pressure this mega contract will inflict on Cal as time
goes by and his skills fade? (and the fans get restless)

Cal has looked *tired* (uh oh) for the past 2 months. No homers in about 
60 games. When he gets 'ahold' of a pitch, it results in an easy out to
shallow left field. Popups. Errors at short. Oates finally had the nerve 
to bat him 5th instead of 3rd... Cal should be batting 7th at best. Does
*anyone* think he will 'rejuvenate'? At age 32 + the Burden_of_The_Streak?
Heresy, yes, but I seriously thought for a moment that the O's were going
to dump the impending big contract, the fatigue, and the Burden_of_The_Streak
on another team.

It is good to have a team 'lifer' I guess. They truly are a rare breed.
We will see how the Puckett deal goes, there are some similarities to
this situation.

rck


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From: jjd@TEAK.CRAY.COM (Jeff Drummond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Trade
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:21:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumac09.9209021621.AA07432


Twins GM Andy MacPhail had an interesting observation on the Oakland/
Texas trade.  He said that if the Twins were up by 7.5 games at the
end of August, he would have disconnected his phone.  Namely, if it
ain't broke...

He thinks that the trade will hurt Oakland, at least this year (with
Canseco and McGuire out of the A's line-up and Sierra out for 10-14
days).  He could be right.  I can't see how it's going to help them
in the long term either, unless Oakland plans to sell their team in
order to sign all their free agents.

I don't know what Texas was thinking either.  Witt and Russell may not
have been great, but I think Texas will be fortunate to replace either.

-Jeff    jjd@cray.com
--
"Whoever embraces the Tao
will not be traded away."
-Lao "Lefty" Tzu in _The_Tao_of_Baseball_, Chapter 54.
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.150419.29270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)   writes...
> 
>Did you ever hear of Hank Aaron?  Most people consider him to be the HR
>king since he hit 755 to Ruth's 714. :)  According to the post JG would
>pass him too. (761)
> 

Well, all of you are forgetting Josh Gibson. He hit 800 home runs in the Negro 
Leagues. It had many better players than those who were in the majors at the 
same time including Satchel Paige, Cool Papa Bell, himself, etc. If any of you 
feel that the Negro Leagues shouldn't count, then you and I disagree since 
practically all Negro League players could have played in the majors if it 
weren't for racist owners at that time.

Of course, almost all present major leaguers, including African-American 
players have no respect for the Negro Leaguers since those millionaires still 
refuse to provide financially for the Negro Leaguers. As a result, many are 
penniless and some are homeless.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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Subject: Re: Wells/Gaston
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 24 Aug 92 14:03:26 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug22.044112.22346@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

> In article <1992Aug21.214605.22664@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu (Dave Nobody Kirsch) writes:

>>Please, oh please, let it be. But Steve, have you looked at Mr. Oates lineup
>>lineup construction model lately? I'm thanking my lucky stars above that Cal 
>>is hitting #3, Glenn Davis #4 and Milligan #5 while the O's best power
>>hitters are #1, #2, #7 and #8 in the lineup.

> The Jays are sunk.  Oates tonight went with:
> Brady Anderson	(three walks and a HR, not retired once!)
> RANDY MILLIGAN	(finally where he belongs)
> Mike Devereaux
> Sam Horn
> Cal Ripken
> Leo Gomez
> Chito Martinez
> Chris Hoiles	(who is in a slump)
> Billy Ripken
> 
> I may have gotten the last four confused, but the first five I got
> right.  This isn't quite what I would use, but it is at least half
> way there.

I think this is all pretty silly.  The statement that Ripken and
Davis aren't the O's best power hitters presupposes that time began
on opening day, 1992.  But it didn't, Ripken hit 34 homers last year,
and Davis is still their best power hitter.  If Hoiles is a power hitter
than Davis, how is it that he was only able to slug .384 at the age
of 26?  The MLE of that major league season, would, I believe, be .384 .
Brady Anderson came into this season with 1000 + PA's and a career
SP of .306 .  Devereaux's career SP is .393 .  

Gomez you may have a case for.

So anyway the final ranking looks something like:

   PLAYER         CAREER SP

   Davis          .481
   Ripken         .467
   Milligan       .443
   Devereaux      .393
   Gomez          .393
   Hoiles         .366
   Anderson       .306 (probably pushing .350 by now)

If you wanted to pick a player to hit a HR in his next AB, you would not,
in my opinion -- despite the 1992 stats -- pick Anderson or Hoiles over
the first 3.  You might pick Devereaux over Milligan, figuring that maybe
Milligan has lost some power.  You might pick Gomez up there, figuring
that he's just that good.

Except maybe for Devereaux being #3, what's the matter with that
line-up?  Given that Anderson is for real, he's the obv leadoff
hitter, and then you can put the rest of them in any old order.
Milligan gets on, but he also hits for power and is slow.  Just
as looking at last year wouldn't have predicted Cal Ripken's April
very well, perhaps it might occur to you that looking at this
year won't predict his September this year.  Not that I want to
bring up the topic of Ripken and September, mind you, just making
a point....

Bill Guilford
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: The speedy Brewers and Expos.
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:00:12 GMT

In article <19982@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>I had the oppurtunity to see the Brewers/Jays game on CBS
>and boy was I impressed by the lethal speed of the Crew.
>David Cone was totally out of rythm with the Brew runners
>constantly harassing him by steals. 
>
>I would love to see a World Series between the Brew Crew and
>their speedy counterparts in the National League, the Expos.
   

   Although I doubt it will happen, I second that emotion...

   --salty

>S.H
>Forever Twins
From: jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Piers McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oh Cone-da!
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:32:46 GMT
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On the Cone trade:

    You'd think for that a pitcher of Cone's caliber, the Mets could
have got something closer to what the Jays were offering California for
Jim Abbott (OF Derek Bell, C Ed Sprague, P Todd Stottlemyre, and
low-level minor leaguers). Of course the fact that Cone is done after
the season does lower his value, but Jeff Kent and a keg of Molson?

    Besides, I somehow doubt that Cone will re-up with the Jays --
Canadian teams just don't seem to be all that popular with top-flight
free agents. 

                                                -- Jason
From: Gerry Hobbs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Amit - How about the 27th
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:11:09 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs@cs.wvu,wvnet.edu
Organization: WVU Department of Stat & Cs


 The great race in Pittsburgh is scheduled for Sept. 27. That
seems like a good time for Amit's promised unveiling. Thought 
those of you who need to make plane reservations would like to 
know.  Seats are going fast.
                             Gerry
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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 1Bs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 04:42:59 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Fred McGriff, San Diego		8.92
John Kruk, Philadelphia		8.74
Will Clark, San Francisco	7.32
Mark Grace, Chicago		7.20
Sid Bream, Atlanta		5.99
Hal Morris, Cincinnati		5.76
Jeff Bagwell, Houston		5.56
NL AVERAGE			5.33
Eddie Murray, New York		5.14
Eric Karros, Los Angeles	5.06
Brian Hunter, Atlanta		5.04
Orlando Merced, Pittsburgh	4.59
Tim Wallach, Montreal		3.69
Andres Galarraga, St. Louis	3.27

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Frank Thomas, Chicago		10.79
Mark McGwire, Oakland		9.23
John Olerud, Toronto		7.65
Paul Sorrento, Cleveland	6.30
Randy Milligan, Baltimore	5.84
Kent Hrbek, Minnesota		5.83
Don Mattingly, New York		5.72
Cecil Fielder, Detroit		5.57	; MVP? :-)
AL AVERAGE			5.39
Wally Joyner, Kansas City	5.27
Rafael Palmeiro, Texas		5.09
Mo Vaughn, Boston		4.78
Tino Martinez, Seattle		4.57
Pete O'Brien, Seattle		3.63
Franklin Stubbs, Milwaukee	3.56
Lee Stevens, California		3.20	; he's having quite a battle with
					; Andres Galarraga...

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: charly@hal.COM (Charly Rhoades)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Home Run Rule: Lind's Hit in Dodger-Pirate Game
Date: 25 Aug 1992 09:48:44 -0700
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Rules-folk:  Did any of you happen to see the Jose Lind hit during
yesterday's Dodgers-Pirates game?  From the excerpt I saw the ball
was batted off the outfieled wall, and as it was coming down off the
wall, the outfielder inadvertantly knocked the ball (with his hand
or glove) back up and over the wall.

It was ruled a double at the time.  Any comments?

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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:12:23 GMT

In article <37327@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.153430.8990@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
>
>>Yes, folks - this is not a hoax! I just heard an interview with Peter
>>Gammons on a Boston radio station say that the Blue Jays have obtained
>>David Cone from the Mets. The official announcement should be made this
>>afternoon.
>
>Pat Gillick was interviewed about the deal by a local radio station (XTRA in
>Tijuana, "the mighty 690", an all-sports 50,000 watter):
>
>Cone for Jeff Kent and ptbnl
>
>the ptbnl is not yet decided
>
>The deal is primarily for this season; in PG's words "we are renting Cone
>for 6 or 7 starts, but will try to sign him in the off season", "he is
>one of the top 5 starters in baseball", "the ptbnl may not be a big name,
>he's not been selected yet"
>

	I expect the Jays to re-sign Cone at the end of the season for three reasons.
1)	They can afford him
2)	Their pitching staff is quite old (and bad), they need the new blood
3)	Cone wanted badly to be on a winner, and now he is on one, so why leave?  

Overall it is a great trade.  Anytime you can trade two backups for a premier
pitcher you've done well, even if the pitcher is unsigned.  Hell, why not offer
him 5-6 mil a year right now, to make him happy and lead the Jays all the Way!!


Bill Perry
Canadian World Series '92
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Re: Billy Spiers is back?
Keywords: eat more Brewer moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:50:46 GMT

In article <24530@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel) writes:
|> Per this AM's paper, Billy Spiers was activated by the Brewers yesterday.
|> Has anybody out in America's Dairyland heard anything about how/if he
|> might be used. I'm assuming, of course, that they'll leave Listach alone
|> at SS.
|> 

They'd better leave Listach alone or he might not win ROY, and I'll get
proven wrong by all the Fleming supporters and I hate that.

Mr. Spiers ain't no DH...oughta let him catch.

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL Rookie of the Year
Date: 24 Aug 92 04:05:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <9208240312.AA22263@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> du@CPSC.UCALGARY.CA (Kevin Du) writes:
>I have a simple question:
>
>Does Dave Fleming of the Seattle Mariners have a chance of winning the
>American League Rookie of the Year award?  I'm a fan of him, but most of
>the people I've asked has said Pat Listach will probably win if everything
>continues the way they have so far.
>
Sure, he's got a shot.  But the thing about Listach is that he's perceived as
playing a major role in Milwaukee's success this year.  He suits Garner's run
and shoot (oops, wrong sport) offesive scheme perfectly.  Seattle has faltered
this year, but Fleming is pitching rather well.  Not great, but he's having a
positive effect on his team.  I'd have to guess that Lofton is out of it this
year; he's got just slightly less impressive stats than Listach as the same 
type of player.  He needed the SB crown to contend.

>Also, why is Mike Mussina ineligible?  I don't recall him pitching a lot
>last season.
>
Well, he did pitch over 80 innings last year.  Maybe the reason you don't 
recall him pitching that much is that he did it over 12 starts, averaging 7 1/3
inings per start.  For the record, rookie pitchers have less than 50 career 
innings entering a season.

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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL Schedule 1993
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:57:34 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Aug31.213431.17189@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com writes:
>The National League schedule will be established with the Cubs and Cardinals
>remaining in the East Division for 1993. This is due to the lawsuit Cubs
>management brought against the Commisioner's Office blocking his league
>realignment order that would've sent the Cubs and Cards to the West and the
>Reds and Braves East, and to pressure from the Players' Association that
>demanded a league schedule for 1993 on time.
>
>And now, back to real baseball...
>
>
This is awful.  How can it be that the Chicago Cubs can bully the rest of
the league for its own interests, despite the interests of all the other teams?
For the longest time now I've felt realignment was the right thing to do, 
but because it would seem to be an Inconvenience to Cub fans to have to stay
up an extra hour 8 times a year to watch the team, it won't happen.
Now these same guys are trying to stir up the pot to hopefully get Vincent
to resign, and with luck get someone who won't try to take an active stance
in realignment.  To this I applaud Vincent for saying he has no intention
of resigning.

RStimets
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:34:57 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug31.152101.7480@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
> In article <1992Aug29.025852.725@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> |> >>MVP
> |> >>1. Strong: Sheffield, McGriff
> |> > 
> |> > I've got to go with Sheffield here.  
> |> 
> |> 	He may also get Comeback Player of the Year (Doug Jones also has
> |> a shot at CPotY). 
> 
>   Comeback Player - heck the guy is only 23 years old!
> 

	I don't think age has a great deal to do with it. It seems to be more
like rewarding a guy for good-year/very-bad-year/pretty-good-year seasons.
Sometimes, the award does have some meaning, like with Dave Dravecky (unless he
didn't get it his final year in baseball, but I think he did).

Brandon Cope
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Managing in the AL
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:20:05 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = Jim McMaster writes:

>Regardless of whether the DH makes AL managing "easier" or not, I like
>the rule, because it leads to more offense.  There is not a guaranteed
>out in the number nine spot.

This whole statement is incorrect.  I know I've heard that the average
DH batting average is ~.250.  Could one of the Stat Heads help me out?

If you think the 9th spot is an "automatic out", you haven't seen Doc
Gooden, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine or Swift of SF at bat (among others).  
These guys can hit and bunt.  Pitchers hitting, IMO, adds strategy not 
present when some (usually) aging one-dimensional player is the 10th man 
in the lineup.


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From: daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:03:28 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <00960026.CE453E00@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> If Brian Williams of Houston keeps pitching well and ends up with 10-12
|> wins, he should get some votes, and maybe the rookie awrdin the NL award. and
|> this point he is 7-4 with an ERA in the mid to low 3.00 range.
|> 

   Huh???  There is no possible way excluding death, that the writers
   will give the NL ROY to anyone other than Mr. Eric Karros. An
   average pitcher like Williams can even compare to the stats Karros
   has put up with the hapless Dodgers. Williams may have a shot at
   the Rookie Pitcher's award, but the ROY, that would be a crime!


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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:03:36 GMT


Rumours of Kent+Sprague for Cone?  It sure improves the Jays pitching
staff!  What is the rotation now?  Guzman, Cone, Morris, Key, Stot?
Wells going back in the pen?  (They could use a quality lefty there.)

It's an awfully high price to pay, though.  Do the Jays have anything
left in the high minors?  Because they look to have a *very* expensive
payroll next year otherwise.

How many sub-$1 million players do they have for next year?  Guzman,
Olerud, and Bell?  Anybody else?  They could run a $50 million payroll
with ease (especially if they keep Cone and Carter).

This looks to me like a good deal for both sides.  The Mets get two
bats they can play at second and catcher.  The Jays get six starts
from a very good pitcher.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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