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From: R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: ST
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:46:08 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91760652@ccw322

Does anyone have the new Suicidal Tendencies album ?
As a major ST fan I rushed out to buy it as soon as it was released.
And it's wierd !!  Totally and utterly wierd...but damn good.
Seems like old Mike Muir is (almost) happy with himself and life !!!

KHARE XXX



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From: cynthia@mardi.East.Sun.COM (Cynthia Grundler (Sun NY Metro))
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:47:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 92Oct4094255@emmy.nmsu.edu, dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.153052.8424@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>                (stuff deleted)
>    ... life's just
>    too oppressive now.  Reading Conibear's post didn't help either... 
> 
> 	   Psycho kitten...
> 
> 
> I'm just glad that someone else was distrubed by that post.  Most of
> the responses (other than those calling it a hoax, which I can only
> hope is true) seemed to be lightheartedly supportive.  I can
> understand that reacation, kind of like the Code of the ASHers, or
> some such thing, but I was wondering if I was the only one to be
> bothered by it.  I'm having trouble making my thoughts clear, so I had
> better stop now...
> -David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
> ***********************************
> *  "There's a dog in the station  *
> *   With a bad reputation         *
> *   That's a sign of the nation's *
> *   Decay"                        *
> ***********************************
> p.s. just to make things clear, I was NOT flaming anyone.  I respect
> how others dealt with that post.
> 



You're not the only one. I guess I just expected more people to react,
however they chose, but at least to react one way or another. It has surprised
me just how little this has been discussed, though in truth it is hard to 
figure out just what I would say, and I don't doubt there are others in the 
same position. I as well am hoping this turns out to be a hoax, though whether 
it is or not, it has hit too close to home with me. It is something that has been
on my mind for the last few days, at first I thought about it quietly, then
discussed it with some close friends. I guess it just disturbs me to think that
someone else had been so lonely and depressed that they reached that point,
a point I and others out there have faced in our own individual ways, it scares
me to remember how close I really was, so terrifyingly close that it will always
be with me.  There really isn't a right or a wrong reaction, including not
knowing how to react at all, but to me, it makes me remember, and I truly hope
that now Conibear is where he wants to be.  It is a fine line that separates 
the courage to take that so very final step versus the courage to stick out
this existence just a little longer, neither is a simple or easy choice.

Just my thoughts, as best I can put them into words, as well I am flaming no one.


Hazel
From: R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: hi again
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:03:02 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91760652@ccw320

Hi all,
         I'm glad to say I'm back at a terminal after the summer hols
with a new approach to life that'll ensure continued happiness (well in
theory anyway).

Whats been happening ?
Who else is back on ASH ? All the old regulars I hope,


KHARE  xxx



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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:44:41 GMT

In article <conibear.717873559@cunews> conibear@sol.carleton.ca
(Dave Conibear) writes:
>....
>If this DOESN'T work, I'll try to get someone to post that tidbit to
>a.s.h. so none of you ends up making the same mistake.

As a friendly word of advice, if this is not joke, then it is
_not_ advisable to post this sort of stuff on a public forum.
(For those in the USA) Although America is one of the freer
countries in the world, it is not absolutely free.  Suicide is
frowned upon, and people who do unsuccessful suicides just mind
wind up in a mental institution for an indefinite period, being then
deprived of all rights including the right to die.  Posts like
the one by Mr. Conibear will only serve as incriminating evidence
for such an incarceration.

I know.  This is stupid, but laws are written by men, who fallible.

>Oh, a final note... in case the group gets any flak about this, let it
>be known that a.s.h. was not a promoting cause in my suicide.  Had it
>not been for this group, my best plan to date was to get pissed drunk
>and dive off the roof of my apartment building (yes, I have a key).  I
>think this is cleaner all 'round.
>Have a nice life!

You too.  I hope that you find the peace that you could not find on earth.

>Dave

If for some mysterious reason, you are actually able to perceive
this post when you are "on the other side", then could you do me the
following favor?

Give me a sign to indicate that there is life after death; I
always wanted to know with certainty.  Nothing fancy.  Just flick
the lights on (-and-off) 5 times in my room when I'm in bed tonight;
that'll be sufficient proof for me.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
    <1992Oct1.004441.9412@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:48:42 GMT

In <1992Oct1.004441.9412@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>In article <conibear.717873559@cunews> conibear@sol.carleton.ca

>As a friendly word of advice, if this is not joke, then it is
>_not_ advisable to post this sort of stuff on a public forum.
>(For those in the USA) Although America is one of the freer
>countries in the world, it is not absolutely free.  Suicide is
>frowned upon, and people who do unsuccessful suicides just mind
>wind up in a mental institution for an indefinite period, being then
>deprived of all rights including the right to die.  Posts like
>the one by Mr. Conibear will only serve as incriminating evidence
>for such an incarceration.

Yes of course.. America is so free that you have to watch what you say in
public, <think about what you said for a minute..> because it can and will
be used against you in a mental inquest.
And since when does any American have a RIGHT to die? Lets not forget that

America is a nation not of rights and freedoms, but of opinions and beliefs
with legal enforcement. :)

>I know.  This is stupid, but laws are written by men, who fallible.

And Man created God, who is just as fallible..


>Give me a sign to indicate that there is life after death; I
>always wanted to know with certainty.  Nothing fancy.  Just flick
>the lights on (-and-off) 5 times in my room when I'm in bed tonight;
>that'll be sufficient proof for me.

Oh come now.. This is the Information Age and we still believe in ancient
stupidity? When the Church said the world was flat, that was dumb.. When 
Columbus thought Hispaniola was Cathay, that was cute.. When George Bush
made another broekn 'no new taxes' promise, that was mildly amusing..
Modern science, as imperfect, selfish and wasteful as it may seem, simply
tells us that life after death is nonexistent. Perhaps the 'white lights'
people on the brink of death see are just incarnations of the false dream of
"Heaven." To be sure, it would be even more depressing to think that our
miserable world is as good as it gets, but I'm afraid that, for now, that is
the case..

Of course, I'm not afraid to admit that my faith in modern science, which 
calls ghosts 'impossible imaginations' is beginning to wane. Today, a CS
professor and a Math professor tried to explain Base2 to a Calculus class
and only succeeded in proving that it couldn't/shouldn't exist (the series
showed -1, 0, 1, not the expected binary of 1 and 0).

Never trust that which you cannot see.

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:36:20 GMT

In article <DSTEINBE.92Oct4094255@emmy.nmsu.edu> dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
>but I was wondering if I was the only one to be
>bothered by it.

  Well, I certainly found it disturbing - and it didn't really sound
like a hoax.  But if he actually has ended it all, what response 
would really be better than to wish him luck in the next realm.

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Another source of cyanide
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:51:39 GMT

In article <zlsiida.170@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>The Guardian (a newspaper):
>Valerie Harrison collapsed from cyanide poisoning after pruning her 5 foot 
>cherry laurel.  She wasn't wearing gloves, and prussic acid in the leaves 
>got into the open pores of her skin.
>
>
>
>
>              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
>  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  


	Not to be rude or pushy... but I mentioned that various types
of Cherry trees contain hydrocyanic acid in their leaves and bark a
few weeks ago (or maybe a little longer).  The following are the more
common ones with high potential for death:  
 
	Prunus serotina      -- Wild black cherry 
        Prunus viriginiana   -- Choke-cherry
        Prunus pennsylvanica -- Pin Cherry 
        Prunus demissa       -- Western choke-cherry
        Prunus caroliniana   -- Cherry laurel

	You can also find prussic acid in the pits or Wild black cherries...
but it's easier to just get it from the leaves.  The levels are highest in
new vigorous growth.  The levels drop of signifiantly in dried leaves.
(So keep your kids away from cherry trees if they like to put things
in their mouths)                  

	There are numerous cyanogenetic plants (containing hydrocyanic
acid naturally)... goto you library for an identification guide.

	Psycho kitten

 
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:06:35 GMT

In article <conibear.717873559@cunews>
conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear) writes:
 
>
>Hey, fellow ASHers!  Listen up, because this is the closest thing to
>A Note that I'm going to write.
>
>After a lot of research and a lot more thought, I've gone with the KCN
>dissolved in cold water.  I'm not quite sure about the volume of 1.5g
>of KCN, so I'm erring on the high side.  Yes, I know I'm subject to
>"throat irritation" if I do that... sometimes, ya just gotta live on
>the edge.  :)
>
>I'm expecting unconsciousness after about 1 minute.  I've skipped all
>meals for the past 24 hours to make sure I've got a nice acidic
>stomach (HCl + KCN -> KCl + HCN(g), I hope), and when my stomach
>started rumbling embarrassingly, I quaffed a grapefruit juice (most
>acidic thing I could think of offhand).
>
>I'll be going with the "plastic bag and rubber band" backup system...
>a nice big garbage bag, so I won't be uncomfortable for that minute of
>consciousness.
>
>The computer is programmed to wait 36 hours and then phone 911, to
>prevent any of my friends discovering the body.  This news message is
>also on a delay timer, just in case there are any closet
>interventionists lurking.
>
>If this DOESN'T work, I'll try to get someone to post that tidbit to
>a.s.h. so none of you ends up making the same mistake.
>
>Oh, a final note... in case the group gets any flak about this, let it
>be known that a.s.h. was not a promoting cause in my suicide.  Had it
>not been for this group, my best plan to date was to get pissed drunk
>and dive off the roof of my apartment building (yes, I have a key).  I
>think this is cleaner all 'round.
>
>Have a nice life!
>
>
You too, Dave.  Best wishes.  You're going to miss my rendition of
"Camptown Races", though.
 
euclid
From: jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (I like redheads.)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:33:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <92280.163927TXN102@psuvm.psu.edu> Phaedrus <TXN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Alan Jaffray wrote:
>> *so* depressed
>
>well, here's a thought.  what is more precious than life?  nothing,
>right?  to hold it entirely in one's hands must be the most satisfying
>thing in the world.  it seems to be that suicide is one of the highest
>achievements one could aspire to, and perhaps this is what connibear
>felt, as well.  his plans set, of course he was in a good mood!
>
>gist:  why must suicide be the bottom of everything?  why not the top?
>
>Thi

And how satisfing it must be to hold your life entirely in your own hands
only to destroy it?  In my opinion satisfaction is gained by being able 
to look back and know you won.  Anyone can suicide, it is not a very     
difficult thing to do.  That is why it is not the top of everything.

I hope Dave does not regret his power play- if he can.

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From: Psycho Kitten                              
Subject: Hemlock Milkshakes for everyone...
Originator: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu
Organization: who me? 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:36:34 GMT


	After answering my question about what kind of sandwich he wanted
this morning, my SO was quick to add "and hold the hemlock."  I've
been offering to fix hemlock milkshakes for both of us for the past 
few days... the silly thing part is that I've been casually thinking about
how to make a tasty Hemlock Milkshake (what the hell does Hemlock taste
like anyway, and how well does it combine with vanilla ice cream?) =)

	I'm somewhat surprised that a large group of ASHers haven't 
sold all their worldly possessions, travelled to a small tropical island
and set out to see how biodegradable they really are.  I can just see
several people skydiving into a volcano (without chutes) while several more
sit on the rim scoring the jumpers and then offing themselves...        

	(...so I've got a sick imagination...)

	It's beginning to get close to frost temp at night... I doubt 
I'd have the time to go harvesting before the plants are all gone... I'll
just have to wait until Spring (which is a better time to pick them anyway).

	*sigh* it doesn't really matter, since there aren't any
ASHers nearby who could do taste-testing for me...  

	
				Psycho Kitten

P.S. My SO became concerned about the possiblity of me poisoning the 
both of us after watching _The Hand that Rocks the Cradle_ (he said I
get the same evil looks that the Dr's wife does) and seeing my reaction
to David...


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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Subject: Re: theme song?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:17:06 GMT


In article <jgs1.717860098@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi  
strickland) writes:
> williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
> >Does this group have a theme song? 
> 
>   The theme song for the group is "Fade to Black" by Metallica.
>    that is it.  our theme song.

If that's the theme song, then is this a group for recovering Metallica  
fans?

In article <1992Sep30.154818.8574@linus.mitre.org>  
lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
> Does this song have a melody & chord progression yet?

No, but I'm pretty sure it isn't anything like Fade to Black....
I think the melody and chord progression differ depending on your mood...
One version would have to be the b-side of the other though...

>I hope you're got-ta meet me there.
This line should read "I hope you're gonna meet me there"

S. R. Williams
-williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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"Take my smile and my heart they were yours from the start"
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Another source of cyanide
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:02:21 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

The Guardian (a newspaper):
Valerie Harrison collapsed from cyanide poisoning after pruning her 5 foot 
cherry laurel.  She wasn't wearing gloves, and prussic acid in the leaves 
got into the open pores of her skin.




              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033
From: R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Falling ...
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:12:56 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91760652@ccw304

Don't know if anyone heard on the news but a couple of days ago a first
year here at Bradford University "fell" from the top of one of the 
university buildings - a fall of 12 storeys. We don't yet know why
it happened but it was during the day (ie no alcohol ?) and a first
year shouldn't have been up there anyway.
  When I heard the news I was dumbstruck as 2 weeks before the end
of last term (3 months ago) I nearly jumped from the same place.
So I would be dead now too.

Anyway, the moral of this story (from my humble point of view) is
that DON'T use suicide as a way out (MY OPINION ONLY !@!) as it
will (probably) be ok some time in the future. I'm ok now and
happy to be alive.


KHARE.  XXX



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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:41:00 GMT

In <DSTEINBE.92Oct4094255@emmy.nmsu.edu> dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:

>I'm just glad that someone else was distrubed by that post.  Most of
>the responses (other than those calling it a hoax, which I can only
>hope is true) seemed to be lightheartedly supportive.  I can
>understand that reacation, kind of like the Code of the ASHers, or
>some such thing, but I was wondering if I was the only one to be
>bothered by it.  I'm having trouble making my thoughts clear, so I had
>better stop now...

If he's killed himself (I'd say it's true), he's dead. What is there to
say?

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:50:00 GMT

In article <9227603.5737@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
>OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?

   How about first buying the dictatorship of a middle eastern country.  Then
starting up a nuclear weapons program from scratch.  Then declare war on the
United States.

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* alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com *            DARE to be stoopid!           *
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From: pdt@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON)
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:59:57 GMT

fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:

>OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?

>Just to start the ball rolling: 
>	
>	Hire a hit-man to bump you off.
>	Estimated code: $10000-$200000. (Maybe more if you're famous :-)
>Fergus Henderson             fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU      
  Crash a Stealth bomber into the Australian Parliment House.
  cost: $1b for the bomber, $1b for the Parliment House.

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: #48
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:10:42 GMT

The wind blows on an open sea,
The sea waves back and waves again,
The waves reveal their hidden dreams:
To sit out all eternity
Beneath an open sky and see
Their brothers evermore.
 
The waves roll on and roll again,
And crest as they approach the shore,
And then they crash upon the sand
And are no more.
                       e.k. 9/92
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland)
Subject: Alt.suicide.finals
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:07:32 GMT

   I was correct.
   The ORIGINAL sister group is alt.suicide.finals.
   Alt.finals.suicide is an off-shoot from hell unrelated to this group.
   I just checked, and alt.suicide.finals is very much alive and well!!!


          jimi, happy that his memory is still entact   heh heh

 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:55:44 GMT

In article <9227603.5737@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
>OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?
>
>Just to start the ball rolling: 
>	
>	Hire a hit-man to bump you off.
>	Estimated code: $10000-$200000. (Maybe more if you're famous :-)

Why so expensive?  Does gun control in Oz really work, or is the cost of
living there so much higher than here in the land of Uncle Sam?

I doubt that a hit on oneself would cost more than a couple of hundred.
Actually, it's even easier than that.  Go to an ATM in a bad
neighborhood at night, look vulnerable, and make a deal with the first
gun-toting punk who approaches.

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA