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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: Ozzy Osbourne (?) who is this guy anyway?
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:22:03 GMT
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Tom,

>No one has ever been "Christian his entire life." Christ came to save
sinners, not Christians.<

Everyone who is a Christian has been one their entire life, because before
that they were "dead in their trespasses and sin."  :)

By the way, that is not the only reason Christ came...or let me put that
another way...this is only one aspect of His reason for coming.

I guess Ozzy is a rock singer or something?  Well, I hope God blesses him.
God certainly blessed a few rock slingers during his 30+ year incarnation.
I AM - sure He can do the same today!  Lord, Rock Ozzy's socks off!  Let
him know there's honey in the Rock, much better than money in the rock!

                                                   peace in Christ, zane

Can't you just see us in heaven saying, Hey Lord, get them to turn the volume
down on that heavenly choir won't you?  This must be a billion decibels at
least!
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From: nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu (N. L. Tinkham)
Subject: Analogies
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:38:15 GMT

Eric Ewanco writes:

> But anyone, I agree, I see a great and wonderful parallel between
> communion and conjugal union.   I see conjugal union as a figure of our
> union with God through communion.  Just as through the conjugal act, the
> man's contribution allows the inert egg in the woman to become a life
> that grows and is nurtured in the void of the womb, so God's essence
> imparted to us through communion causes new life to grow within the
> empty void of our souls.  A good reason why God is considered Father and
> we are considered collectively the bride of Christ.

No, see, it's like this:  The sperm is incapable of creating life on its own,
but when it is joined to the egg and nurtured by the womb, a new life can
grow.  Similarly, our human efforts are fruitless on their own, but when we
are joined to Christ and nurtured by the Spirit and the sacraments, God
creates from us a new spiritual life -- and we depend on his grace day by
day for our life and health just as much as a growing baby depends on the
nourishment and protection of the womb.


(I liked Eric's original.  I just thought I should add my own twist on who
gets to play the "inert void" in the story. :-) )

_____________________________________________________________________________

                                              Nancy Tinkham
                                              nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu
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From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Bumper Sticker Humor

                            MAKE WELFARE
                          AS HARD TO GET AS
                          BUILDING PERMITS

Maks.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:53:00 +1000
From:         Ken Diefenbach <DIEFENBAK@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: URGENT PRAYER-CHRISTIA PRAYER WARRIORS

Shelby

    No parent could read that and not feel

        a) sick
        b) a real burden for the boy & his parents

    I'm online to heaven as I type this.....

Ken Diefenbach
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:20:27 EST
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanksgiving Week on Christia

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
What a wonderful idea-to express our thanks electronically over Christia!
I am thankful to God for all the many blessings that He bestows upon us..
Every good and perfect gift comes from above, from the Father of Lights..!

One blessing which reigns first and foremost in my mind and heart this year
is a little 9lb bright eyed girl named Stacia Kaleigh whom God has entrusted
to our care. She was born 6 weeks ago. Every time I look into her eyes it is
like looking at the face of Jesus. She is truly a miracle baby, she is the
loving answer from a God who cares, after two plus years of trying: surgery,
fertility programs, etc. Thank you my precious Heavenly Father for our little
girl and all the good and perfect gifts you give to your children!
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From:         CAROL L <Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: Prayer Request Update

From:     Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@EDU.LOUISVILLE.ULKYVM>

>   I've
> heard that as many as 25% of women will be raped or molested by the time
> they are 18 years old.

Brenda,

Regretably, this appears to be true - there are so many examples of this
sort of thing and yet we seem to live in a society that condones it and
gives people a rough time when they stand up and ask for justice.  We
seem happy to run to the protection of little ones but if it happens to
teenagers or adult females suddenly there is the feeling that it must be
their fault - that is the undercurrent of feeling from the grass roots.
I am a little ashamed and rather angry about this.  Perhaps, I have seen
more broken people than I should have.  Wanted too many times to say this
is wrong and been asked never to tell.  Damn it all, why is it that the
ones who are most hurt get to hide in silence and the ones who commit
such heinous acts against God's creation and so damage another human's
self image walk tall as if there is nothing wrong.

Sorry, out burst over.

Carol A Long,  Southampton Institute of Higher Education, England
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DISCLAIMER - merely musings unless otherwise stated.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:38:00 -0400
From:         STYLESBG@WATT.CCS.TUNS.CA
Subject:      Re: Thanksgiving--an idea

What a great blessing to read your thanksgiving list.  Here's mine:

1.  That God adopted me into His family;
2.  That He helped me come into contact with this list;
3.  That He gave me a wonderful wife,  Gerry,  and three precious children;
4.  That He called me into the Ministry,  and has proved Himself over and over;
5.  That He has put us in a blessed Congregation of International students.
    In recent weeks we have experienced many breakthroughs in worship and
    praise,  and testimony of the Lord's goodness.  Recently God has
    restored homes,  and healed people of emotional hurts.  Two Sundays
    ago our Service started at 11:00 A.M.,  and God simply took over.  At
    3:15 P.M.  I closed the Service,  and to tell you the truth we really
    didn't want to leave,  so some people continued fellowshipping.  We
    cancelled the P.M. Service so that people could stay home and get prepared
    for their busy week ahead.  Many testimonies and words of exhortation from
    the Scriptures were part of that long Service.  At the end of the Service,
    God healed people as the elders acted on God's direction given from Mark
    16,  and laid hands on the sick for healing.  What a glorious time.

    By the way,  our Services most often are not that long,  so if you are going
    to visit Halifax some day,  please feel free to come to TUNS.  I know you wi
   ll
experience the warmth and welcome of the Lord's family,  and you woun't have to
sit through a long Service.  Blessings to all,

Pastor Bill
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:30:02 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Gospel

Marty ;

I used to own a copy of Vat II.
It changed FORM but not DOCTRINE.  If it had, things like the Canons of Trent
would have been encrouched.


Jesse
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanksgiving Week Proclaimation

This is in response to Melanie's suggestion.
I'm all for it!
Here goes my list of Thanksgiving stuff:
1. God's Saving Grace
2. A Home in Heaven
3. Christian Parents
4. Christian Grandparents
5. Christian roomie and suitemates
6. MORE CHRISTIAn FRIENDS THAN I CAN COUNT...OR CARE TO....
How's *that* for starters!
------
This all stems from a HALLELUIAH praise service we had tonight at
my Church.  I told Carol (Nemec) that if all Churches everywhere
had a service like the one Richburg Baptist had tonight, we'd
put the Devil on the run for good....
:)
Melanie, this "Thanksgiving Week" deal was excellent!
Love you all.
God Bless
Theresa   "G"

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:49:52 EST
From:         brennan@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU
Subject:      New question ... again interp, perhaps.

   Here we go again.  :^)  Matt. 4:18-22 has Jesus calling disciples
   Simon, Andrew :^), James and John ... Mark 1:16-20 - Simon, Andrew,
   James and John ... Luke 5:8-10 - Simon (& co.), James and John ...
   (this is the question) John 1:35-51 - two disciples & Simon, Philip
   and Nathanael ...

   To the question.  John leaves himself out of the calling - no prob.
   Philip and Nathanael are added - probably after James and John.

   If John 1:40-42 tells us that Andrew went and FOUND Simon and then
   brought him to Jesus - ok, but who is the OTHER disciple?  And how
   come he isn't mentioned in any of the other Gospels?

      andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)
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From:         MARK DRAKE <DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: On Reading Minds

> Yo Darren (Kansas) Provine:

>> The
>> reason I disagree with predestinarians is because I have not seen sufficient
>> evidence to support their claims, and because they I have not seen adequate
>> replies to objections made by others.

> How do you define "sufficient evidence"? What is more authoritative than God's
>Word?


> Tom

        My impression was that Darren meant something in the nature of
the following: We have never (on CHRSITIA) seen a good biblical exegesis
using sound hermeneutics.  (Sound familiar? :-))

Mark
From: NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes)
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Subject: Re: The Gospel
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:49:22 GMT
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Dear Memo ;

You are correct.

Not only do Catholic doctrines not change, they cannot change, due to the
"infallibility" clause.


Jesse
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:57:14 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The Gospel

Dear Memo ;

I owned a copy of all the decrees of Vatican II, and it really is quite vague
for the most part.  Changes were in FORM and not DOCTRINE.
If there had been the latter, Trent would have been violated.

Really, Memo is there anything I can say to convince you ... apparently not.
So, why waste your fingers typing your short posts to me on all of this?
Now, to be fair, it seems that you will not convince me either, for you or
anyone has YET to bring forth SCRIPTURAL support, in context where solid
exegesis based upon equally solid hermeneutics has been implememted.


Don't knock yourself out ;

Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:52:53 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      HAVE A GOOD TRIP-KEN

Dear Ken,

We hope  you have  a wonderful  trip and also  that you  will be  able to
minister to  someone or witness  to someone  while you are  gone (Smile).
I  also hope  your wife  will  soon be  well,  being the  mother of  five
children, I know the  position she is being put in  all too well (Smile).

Dear Heavenly Father,

We thank You  for this opportunity for  Ken to go to New  Zealand. We ask
that you  bless him  and that  he have a  safe trip.  Father we  ask that
you give him  Your wisdom and understanding, and that  You direct Him and
prosper  all his  efforts. Protect  and keep  His family  in Your  tender
loving care.  In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:20:13 EDT
From:         Frannie <FBURKERT@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bible Memorization Tip
              19 Nov 1992 11:48:21 GMT from <laperla@BYRON.U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Hi everyone/anyone,
  I missed the post on Bible memorization tips also.  Please post once
more for my benefit.
                    Thanks,
                           Frannie
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:23:50 CST
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jesse a bit miffed 'bout his treatment by some!
              17 Nov 1992 15:35:00 MST from <SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>

Steven:

Interesting, to say the least.

> No, let's not be polemic.  Let's not get ruffled.  Let's start out keeping
> personal comments private.  Let's be Spirit led.  Let's look at Jesus'
> example in the Bible.  He spoke to people in language and method as was
> appropriate.

You're absolutely correct. There's no reason to get ruffled. But it seems
like the majority of each post consists of "personal comments." Perhaps
you mean that differently than the way it reads to me. What is it to be
"Spirit led"? If we truly want to avoid what I think you mean by "personal
comments" that "ruffle," then we must use the Word of God for our guide-
book. As for Jesus's example, let's face it, none of us can with true
knowledge know the hearts of other members on Christia. Christ knew men's
hearts and answered them accordingly. Which also means He actually called
some people "names" (dogs, hypocrites, white-washed tombs, liars, etc.).

> We are here to discuss items in our lives that help us to live as Christians.
> We are here to proclaim Jesus Christ and His saving grace.  We are not here
> for personal vendetta's against others.  We are not here to advance any one
> particular set of beliefs in Christianity.  We are not here to drive people
> from Christ.  We are here to learn and to teach.  Jesus Christ alone sets one
> free.

I'm glad to read "We are here to learn and to teach." I hope that is what goes
on here. And proclaiming the saving grace of Christ is an excellent objective.
And I have a desire to learn and to teach about that very "saving grace of
Christ" as it affects the Gospel and the souls of men. This might be cause for
some of the past discussions. Trying to learn means understanding what grace
really is. How do we define GRACE. How does the Bible define GRACE. Where
does our definition fall short from the Bible's definition? Are we willing to
change our definition to align it with the Bible's definition?

I can say I definitely do want to promote one set of beliefs of Christianity.
There is only one truth, or as Francis Schaeffer puts it TRUE TRUTH. There is
only one Gospel. My desire is that we all desire to sharpen our understanding
of the Gospel and how we can continue to apply it daily. I no longer believe
the Gospel is a small tract of 4 spiritual laws. Paul calls his epistle to
the ROMANS his gospel. That should keep us busy for the rest of our earthly
lives.

Tom Brewer
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:28:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Disallowed thanks.

Wow!  This is a toughie.  We are encouraged to give thanks, and the thing
for which I am most thankful is a subject we have been asked to refrain
from, So, by implication and inuendo and vague reference, you know what I
am most thankful for.  Maybe by next Thanksgiving, we'll be able to discuss
it freely again.

Dan Graham
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:17:43 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Defining `Free Will'
              14 Nov 1992 01:04:29 GMT from <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>

Gareth ;

If I asserted that you were patronizing, could you possibly send that blurb
BACK to me ... I constantly "clear" my records due to a limited amount of
space for this sort of thing on our mainframe, at least for me.
Gareth ... Plleeeease sir, just lighten up a bit ... do you have ANY sense
of humour?  Do not be so bloomin' serioius 'bout it all.
When I discuss Doctrine, I am serious ... but my ATTITUDE needs also to have
a light character about it as well.

Just be patient wi' me ... we are not here to bite you, so don't be
intimidated.


Jesse
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      "THE THIRD HEAVEN"

Shelby,
This BEAUTIFUL TUNE by Carman has touched my life, and the lives
of my family.  It's from his album "Addicted To Jesus".
Everytime I hear this song, I get excited about seeing Heaven, and
Jesus Christ himself.
Can you imagine the awesome feeling of walking through Heaven's
streets, and suddenly hearing a voice call you by name, and turning
around, you look HIM right in the face????
(Got goosebumps just thinking about this!)
WOW!
Keep "Jammin' with the Lamb"
Theresa
"G"

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:33:59 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Disallowed Thanks 2

Dear All on Christia ;

It is with great honour that I follow my esteemed fellow, Dan Graham, by
saying, rather nebulously, that I too THANK the Lord for His mercy and
Grace to me ... why He chose me to believe the Gospel and not "Joe blow"
down the street!  I have nothing to offer God ... but He has offered His
own Son, and I am eternally thankful for His Kindness unto me who deserves
nothing but separation from His goodness.

Thanks unto Christ who was pre-------- to be slain from the World's inception.


Jesse Irwin Carnes
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:35:24 EST
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Subject:      Dionysius of Alexandria (21 Nov)

     DIONYSIUS OF ALEXANDRIA (17 NOV 265) (transferred to 21 Nov)

Dionysius was a pupil of Origen in the great catechetical school in
Alexandria, and then headed that school himself for fourteen years.
In 247 he was made bishop of Alexandria. Persecution soon after
broke out, and he directed his church from hiding for several years,
until the death of the Emperor Decian in 251. In the period of peace
that followed, Dionysius was a zealous supporter of lenient
treatment for the lapsed (those who had renounced the faith under
pressure, and now wished to be received back into the Church). His
seventeen years as a bishop were turbulent ones, during which
Alexandria suffered civil strife, plague, and famine, and the church
was subject to repeated persecutions.

Dionysius was a scholar, a keen student of pagan as well as
Christian learning.
     Faced with the rise of a heretical opinion in his diocese, he
proceeded, not by excommunication, but by challenging his opponents
to a public debate, with the thirty of them on one side and himself
on the other. The debate lasted three days, by the end of which time
he had talked all thirty of his opponents round to his side.
     Only a few of his considerable writings have survived. One
detail that I have encountered in a Bible commentary is his
suggestion that the book of Revelation had a different author from
the Gospel of John, a view which he based on differences in the
style of writing and other internal evidence.  (The reader is
reminded that the writer of the book of Revelation tells us that his
name is John, but not that he is the Apostle of that name, so that
Dionysius cannot be said to be contradicting the Bible.)

   O God, who hast enlightened thy Church by the teaching of thy
   servant Dionysius: Enrich us evermore with thy heavenly grace,
   and raise up faithful witnesses who by their life and doctrine
   will set forth the truth of thy salvation; through Jesus Christ
   our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy
   Spirit, one God, now and ever.
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Subject:      Re: Keep the prayer requests coming

Okay Lauren, you asked for it.  I was hesitant to put another prayer
request on since I have put so many lately (and I know I shouldn't
feel this way), but my family continues to fall apart (attacked??).

My mom has a problem with her hip or back.  She is on complete bedrest
and will have an MRI on Monday.  Right now they are using electric
shock to deaden her nerve endings.

Updates on other recent requests:

My father-in-law will be in the rehabilitation hospital for a while.
He is receiving physical therapy and right now is working on walking
(with plently of help) from his bed to the door of his room.  He is
despondent about not being home for Thanksgiving and is just sick and
tired of being sick and tired.

My brother-in-law (disc problem in neck) is still in excrutiating
pain.  He is not able to take any pain medication.  They have tried
physical therapy (made it worse) and now are doing electric shock to
deaden the nerve endings (hasn't worked either).

My sister (carpal tunnel) is receiving cortisone shots to help her
deal with this since she can't be operated on until her husband is all
set.

Thanks everyone for the prayer support!  Keep it coming.

                                God Bless,

                                        Liz
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Subject: Re:      Re: Are Christians still sinners?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:25:14 GMT
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