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From: greenfie@gauss.rutgers.edu (Greenfie)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: New 486 Suggestions?
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:56:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


   Hi! I'm now looking at 486 systems, and want some input. I will want to
exclusively run linux on it. Right now, the budget seems to be in the $2000
to $3000 range (hopefully closer to $2000).

   The company that I'm interested in is Insight Computers, although I'm
willing to put together my own system, buy from anyone, etc., as long as I
can get some good recommendations.

   My main software applications will probably be GNU emacs, TeX, X,
Gnuplot, and GCC. Also, I have a 286 I would like to connect via a
serial-serial port cable, so that I can have two users on at the same time.
This seems possible in linux (text mode only, that it). (Various games,
too, of course.) My questions are intentionally vague, as I want as much
input as I can get.

1) How important will a good processor be? Should I forget about a 486 and
get a 386-40, and put the money elsewhere? (Although a numeric coprocessor
seems helpful for some things I'd like to do.) I think I will either get a
486-33DX or a 486-50DX (no DX2's.) Is this a good choice? Should I pay more
for the '50?

2) Memory. More is better, of course, but would 8 megs be sufficent to,
say, run X and two copies of emacs and TeX w/o too much swapping?

3) Disk drive & tape drive. I'd like a disk drive in the 200 meg area, SCSI
hopefully. What adapters should I look at? I'd also like a SCSI tape drive
in the 200 meg range (or 150 w/ data compression). Suggestions? Problems?
Cost?

4) Video card. Would the card Insight supplies, a DSS 24-bit card (ET4000
chipset), be sufficient for my needs?

5) If I managed to have lots o' money left over, I'd like a 17-inch
monitor. How useful is this for X?

   Should I just get a 386-40, as I said above, and get the best components
I can, or will a faster CPU help much? I have a feeling RAM makes a bigger
impact on system performance, as in OS/2, but I'd like to be sure.
(Especially since I wouldn't be the only user of this system.)

   Thanks for any and all help people can give. I'm interested in
anything.  If all you can give me is a good company to buy a system like
the above for cheap, I'm interested. :^) Compatibility w/ linux is also an
important thing for me.
-- 
Larry Greenfield
greenfie(ld)@gauss.rutgers.edu
        ^^^^ for better mailing, delete these characters
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mdw1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Gnu/MIT Scheme port?
Keywords: scheme gnu
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:59:11 GMT

I'm wondering if GNU/MIT scheme has been ported to Linux yet, and where 
I can get the binaries or source. If it HASN'T been ported, I'm kinda
desperate so I'll do it :) but I need to know where the i386/486 
Scheme binaries are first. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

mdw

--
Matt Welsh    mdw1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu    +1 607 253 2737
  "People will say we're in love."  --Hannibal Lecter
From: magyar@hss.caltech.edu (Ted Turo'cy)
Subject: A few problems I've run across
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa,ca
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:54:21 GMT


A few nitpicky things I've had problems with and haven't been able
to find answers to anywhere:

1.  I've got kermit (the ATT sys 3/5 version, not the 5A alpha) up and
running, and it works fine, except when I set the serial port through which
I'm hooked up to the net using 'set line /dev/ttys2', I get 
'warning: read access to lock directory denied'.  I'd assume I haven't
created the locks directory it wants.  Any suggestions?

2.  I was compiling letters 2.2 the other day (BTW, for those of you
interested, it compiles, excepting this item, without change with
-DSYSV) using gcc 2.2.2d, and the compiler gave me a 'syntax error in
signal.h' message.  Turns out that __sighandler_t isn't defined anywhere
in any of the header files.  Consulting with my K&R, I added the line
'typedef void (*__sighandler_t)(int);' and it compiles and runs
beautifully.  Am I missing a file, or is something up with signal.h??

Thanks,

Ted Turo'cy
magyar@hss.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: steve@hacker.UUCP (Stephen M. Youndt)
Subject: Re: GNU kids on the block?   (sorry... couldn't resist)
Reply-To: steve@hacker.UUCP (Stephen M. Youndt)
Organization: HaL Systems, Burke, VA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:14:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.200513.16637@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.185733.21037@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> bryanf@hpmcaa (Bryan Ford) writes:
>>lm@slovax.Eng.Sun.COM (Larry McVoy) writes:
>>> steve@hacker.UUCP (Stephen M. Youndt) writes:
>>> : but I feel very strongly about one thing [...]
>>> : (according to rumors :-), and that's reloadable device drivers.  
>>> : It just seems that the micro kernel people are the only ones doing it.
>>> 
>>> SunOS has had loadable device drivers, system calls, and functions (I'm
>>> not sure what you use the last one for but there it is) since SunOS 4.1.
>>
>>So has AmigaDOS, since 1.0. :-)

Gee, now if I only had room in my apartment for two more computers... :-)
(and a bit more money).

>
>I've got a month or two to implement them yet (evil grin)
>		Linus

If you do both loadable device drivers *and* system calls, then I can
really do some hacking!!! After all, my favorite system call in VMS is
$CMKRNL (Change Mode to KeRNel).  What I guess I really like in an OS
are *standard* ways to really hack it up.

BTW, is anybody here interested in, or working on, adding C2 or better
security features to Linux?

Steve
-- 
Stephen M. Youndt  UUCP: uunet!hacker!steve  I-NET: steve%hacker@uunet.uu.net
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: d88-jwn@dront.nada.kth.se (Johan W}hlin)
Subject: Re: Less gives false warnings
Keywords: termcap, less
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:52:54 GMT

In article <C-AMB.92Sep1101734@solitude.math.utah.edu> c-amb@math.utah.edu (Mark B. Alston) writes:
>	When ever I use less, in either vga or svga modes, it warns me
>that the terminal can't clear to line, move up, ...  But, once I hit
>enter to continue, less is able to perform all of these functions.  I
>am using the termcap from the 0.97.1 root disk.  Is there a way to
>tell less that it really can perform these tricks?

I had this problem and copied the entry for the 80x25 term into the terminal
mode I always use. The construct with refering to that entry did thus not work.
I did not fiddle around since I always use this term mode.

>--------------------------------------------------------
>  Mark Alston        
>  c-amb@math.utah.edu

-- 
/Johan W}hlin (.. where the } really is an a with a ring above it.. 8))
From: doug@owl.isis.org (Douglas W Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: QIC 150 tape drives.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 00:19:52 GMT
Organization: Quoi! me organized?

Hi all,

As anyone attempted/succeeded in getting a QIC 150 MB tape drive (SCSI 
based) working under Linux?  If so, could you share your method of doing so? 

Thank you in advance... Doug!
From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Writing a Matlab-type Package for Linux and  On-Line FAQ
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:34:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

There was at one time the public domain source code for an old matlab
( from about 1982) available on the net. It is probably not completely
compatible with moden commercial versions. I`m sure it lacks the
graphing features and probably doesn't have the macro writing capacity.
-- 
Clarence Wilkerson      \ Bitnet:       wilker%math.purdue.edu@purccvm
Prof. of Math. (topology)\ Internet:    wilker@math.purdue.edu
Dept. of Mathematics      \ messages:   (317) 494-1903, FAX 494-0548
Purdue University,         \ office:    (317) 494-1955 (voice/modem)
W. Lafayette, Indiana 47907 \ 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: SLS problems
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:39:11 GMT

    Well, thanks to your help, Peter, I was able to make a 0.97.1 boot
disk for SLS complete with ramdisk image, and get it booted up.  I
also had to modify the sysinstall script to get it to work since my
kernel didn't have your special mount support.

    If anyone is interested in installing SLS on their pre-existing system
with all logical partitions in an extended partition, I'll be glad to
upload my 0.97.1 SLS boot disk image to an FTP site.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pdhatchm@socs.uts.edu.au (Io's Hatchet)
Subject: Re: New 486 Suggestions?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:05:47 GMT

greenfie@gauss.rutgers.edu (Greenfie) writes:


>   Should I just get a 386-40, as I said above, and get the best components
>I can, or will a faster CPU help much? I have a feeling RAM makes a bigger
>impact on system performance, as in OS/2, but I'd like to be sure.
>(Especially since I wouldn't be the only user of this system.)

In my experience with Linux a faster CPU is a BIG advantage.

Someone preveously mentioned it taking a 486-33 12 minutes to do a
"make clean ; make dep ; make".

My 486-50 does this in just over 4 mins.

Whether the speed difference is worth the money difference I can not say :)


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lien@lysator.liu.se (Jan Lien)
Subject: DR-DOS and linux boot, 14 char filenames
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:39:47 GMT


How do I get DR-DOS 6.0 to recognize two diffrent bootable systems,
i.e. DR-DOS and Linux ?   There should be some boot function switch.

When I try to run BOOTLIN as a normal program in DR-DOS it is possible
to boot linux, provided I have no loaded device drivers, few buffers,
no environment, etc...   When I try to run it as a program under
DR-DOS with all my device drivers, himem, environment and stuff, it
loads, loads linux kernel, I get as far as the message 'Press RETURN
to see SVGA-modes...'.  However, regardless of whether I press RETURN
or any other key, the machine hangs there.  Ctrl-Alt-Del is also
disabled.   Is there something easy I can do about it?

and....

Where do I find the stuff for more than 14 characters in linux
filenames?    Does it work properly?

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: data@cs1.bradley.edu (Mark Hall)
Subject: Minimum requirements for linux - just to run single user
Summary: I have almost no clue with linux...Please don't flame...Yet...
Keywords: Minimum requirements
Organization: Digilog Technologies : Music/Midi software that works for you.
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:25:01 GMT


Hi.  I'm kinda new to the linux thing...I just heard about it, and wanted to
try it.  I've read a little, and I got a feeling I just can't do it, however,
before I chuck it, I figured I should ask a question or two...:)

I have a 386 (non Dx/Sx/anything else x) running 20 Mhz.  I only have 640 K of
ram.  (Ok...You can stop laughing now... :)  Should I assume that I cannot run
Linux?  I'm hoping to be able to upgrade to at least 2 megs sometime, but am
not sure when.  I'd like to be able to fiddle around with linux, maybe even
change over to linux as my main OS.  I tried to boot with the bootimage and
rootimage disks (I have a 1.44 M on drive a:, and a 250 Meg Archive Tape
backup as my other floppy (grin).  I have about 25 megs I can spare for it
right now, a 2400 baud modem, and of course a "STANDARD" VGA monitor for the
console.  Nothing fancy, but it's an OLD system. I should also mention that
it's a Zenith (This explains the memory problem...Quality goes out before the
name goes on).

Is it even possible for me to run linux on this system?  Any way that I could
get rid of about 3 ptys and 4 (or more) virtual consoles?  I tried booting
with bootimage and got as far as:

	No BUS mouse...
	D*mn. Mem swap error (or something like that).

I will try to find a reply here, but e-mail would be preferable to
data@cs1.bradley.edu.

Thanks in advance.  
--
---
	I've read the last page of the Bible.  It's going to turn out
	all right.			- Billy Graham

-----  Mark Hall  -----  data@bucs1.bradley.edu  ----- 1:232/28  1:2250/9 -----
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: GWM under X11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:34:24 GMT

Gee, I've heard of Gay White Males and Transvestite White Makes, but what is
ZWM?  Zulu White Males?  Isn't that a contradiction in terms? :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: hlu@fili.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SLS: don't laugh now but...
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:41:52 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Aug26.034005.15077@sol.UVic.CA>, pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald) writes:


|> That will bring SLS to 21 disks, but I want to add Interviews 
|> though not till after the next GCC/X11 release that uses
|> jump tables and 3GB procs.   Thus SLS will probably settle out at
|> 26 or so disks for a total system.  That's the bad news.  The good
|> news is that it will allow DTP with TeX, xdvi, Ghostscript and Idraw.
|> And that should be upgradable with just shared libs and a kernel.
|> Hopefully, this (and source) will form a core for a CDROM,
|> although it is not clear that everyone will want to spend the 
|> ~$400.00 (??) or so buy a player and the CD.  Maybe though.
|> 
|> What is still missing is a simple database package with a commandline
|> user interface ala DB3.  Any suggestions.
|> 
|> Anyways, in the mean time, I am waiting for the next GCC so that I can
|> start building the next (and, with jump tables,  hopefully last) system.
|> Then efforts can be concentrated upon system shakedown.

We have taken a look at the jump table for X11R5. We found out it is
very hard to build a jump table for X11R5 without totally rearranging
the files in mit/lib/Xaw and mit/lib/Xt. What we are going to do is
build a classical shared lib for X11 with the jump table version of
libc.a and libm.a. That means you can update libc without worring
about X11R5.

The next release of shared lib will start at 0x60000000 (1.5GM) and
we have plenty of spaces for InterView

H.J.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Will this SCSI controller work...
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:46:15 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA.92Aug27134059@latenite.ssc.gov> christia@latenite.ssc.gov (Mike Christiansen) writes:
>
>I am thinking of purchasing one of two controllers to be used on a
>368/25 (with linux). The first and least expensive is produced by a
>vendor called "Data Technologes"(model number DTC3280). The second is
>an Adaptek 1522. The difference between the two is about $25. 
>
>Has anyone used this Data Technologies controller? (it is said to be
>Adaptek compatiable)? 

If it's Adaptec 1522 compatable, it won't work.  Likewise, the 
real Adaptec 1522 is unsupported.  Only the 154x and 174x adaptec 
boards work, so do the Seagate, Ultrastor 14f, Future Domain
16 bit, and WD7000 FASST boards.

>Will the 1522 work ok?
>
>--
>----------------------
>
>Mike Christiansen
>Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
>Controls Group
>2550 Beckleymeade Ave.
>MS.4002
>Dallas, TX. 75237
>
>214-708-3415
>christia@latenite.ssc.gov


-- 
Microsoft is responsible for propogating the evils it calls DOS and Windows, 
IBM for AIX (appropriately called Aches by those having to administer it), but 
marketing's sins don't come close to those of legal departments.
Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit.
From: hanson@pogo.fnal.gov (Steve Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux support BBS- what happened?
Keywords: Summary
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:41:49 GMT
Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL

In <1992Aug30.025655.11781@eskimo.celestial.com> shamus@eskimo.celestial.com (Jay Mottern) writes:


>First, thanks to everyone who responded. Here's a quick summary of
>non-Internet Linux support:

>The Linux Support BBS 508-793-9568 does indeed work. You have to
>connect at 2400, then hit enter a zillion times to get a login prompt.

>Two other kind people offered the use of their BBSes as sources of
>Linux-related files. These are the  Unix User BBS, 708-879-8633
>(no info given on modem speed, etc.) and the Digital Underground,
>812-941-9427 v32bis,v32,v42bis,v42. A third person isn't ready to
>go public as a BBS yet, but sent me email offering me dial-up access
>to his Linux box to get files.

RE: Unix User BBS
Currently UNIX USER is running 2400 baud MNP/V.42 modems.  I hope
to expand to suppport V.32 in the near future.  Unfortunately,
we're starting to believe we're going to have to charge for 
BBS access as things expand (particularly since we'd like to go
to multiple lines).  This will probably be on the order of 
$20 /year flat fee.


Our BBS also provides Internet mail and USENET news (a limited
number of groups, including comp.os.linux)


Call in and give us a try.  We're in the process of putting up
MCC 0.97p2 Linux.  Some of it is there, the rest will be by the weekend.


-- 
Steve Hanson - FERMILAB, Batavia, Il.
hanson@pogo.fnal.gov or hanson@fnal.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: zsh (and other shells)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:44:49 GMT

In article <3004@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> pdp@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Paul Douglas Page) writes:
>After using zsh for a couple of months I have grown to like it.
>Could someone direct me to a site that has the zsh source and Linux diffs ?

HJ Lu has been making his port of zsh available with the GCC
distribution for some time - look on tsx-11.mit.edu in pub/linux/GCC,
and it should be there.  Original sources can be found through
comp.sources.{misc,unix}.

>What is the recomended shell to use with Linux? I know ash is shipped
>often with Linux root disks but I think it's a bit simple as shells go.

Actually, 'ash' is no longer being made available for Linux via any of
the distrbutions I know, since it was a little _too_ simple.

Most people seem to use 'bash', the GNU Bourne-Again SHell, with Linux,
but some wackos are using tcsh :), and the true believers are using
'rc', the Plan 9 shell.

It's really a matter of personal preference.  Your question is right
up there with asking what the recommended editor is....
-- 
                                    +      Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95)
                                    |      Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
                                    |   jwinstea@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
                                    + or jwinstea@fenris.Claremont.EDU
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Kernel math emulation
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:26:25 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond) writes:
>What exactly does the kernel's math emulation buy me?  Is it necessary if
>you *do not* have a coprocessor, or can it be left out entirely?

The kernel's math emulation allows you to run programs which use
floating point math.  Unless you don't have _any_ fp math in _any_
program, don't leave it out.  But, and I think you can trust me on this
one, you won't have particularly many useful programs then.  GCC needs
it, for example.

I think that the space and time savings for not having the math
emulation in the kernel are negligible.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS is great!
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:56:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: sundaram@indian.cps.msu.edu


Hi all,
I just installed Linux 0.96 (SLS Distribution). It is awesome installation
procedure - even a newbie like me had no problem installing it.

One thing sure bugged me though, the install kept telling me "magic match
failed" throughout whenever I stuck a new floppy in (all of them were write 
protected ). Any how it is up and running. 

Now, could any of y'all recommend any good books to help me get started in 
learn "Hands on UNIX".

Thanks
Divya
(sundaram@cps.msu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf)
Subject: Re: RAM Disk Trouble (Solved)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:16:46 GMT

(I'm reposting this. I think it didn't make the last time. sorry if
you see it twice.)

In article <1992Sep4.160053.4330@athena.mit.edu> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
>I tried to use the RAM disk tonight but ran into a bit of a problem. I
>compiled the kernel with the RAM disk support. Then made a file system
>using the command mkfs /dev/ram 512 and mounted /dev/ram. However, I
>keep getting I/O error messages relating to thr RAM disk. Did I use
>the correct procedure in using the RAM disk? (I couldn't find anything
>in the FAQ). If so, what would be the source of trouble here? Any help
>is appreciated.
>

I found out that the minor device number for /dev/ram in the root disk
0.97.1 is inaccurate. It should be 1 rather than 0. No problem now.
Jim, will you please fix that in the next release?



--
_____________________________________________________
                                            M. Saggaf
                                 alsaggaf@erl.mit.edu
From: dlbb0@diag.amdahl.com (David Black)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Shadowed passwd: how to use AUTOSHADOW?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:42:02 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Cupertino, CA

In the shadowed password file suite, there is a define for AUTOSHADOW which
claims to provide compatibility to privileged applications which don't know
about shadowed /etc/passwd files. Xlock and ftpd appear to be two of these;
they both authenticate logins with passwords.

How does one go about making apps such as those above work correctly?

-- 
David L. Black    I/O Diagnostics Development    Dial-up LINUX+archives 24 hrs.
dlbb0@amdahl.com  Amdahl Corp., Sunnyvale CA     408-773-0768 V.32bis/HST