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From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:27:18 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1dms80INN2hu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) says:
>
>>In article <1dck4tINNqj3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
  [ lots of repeated arguements deleated ]

>>>if everyone were required to learn
>>>to drive a manual, then they would have the choice, 
>>
>>If everyone was _required_ to learn use a manual you would just have _removed_
>>their freedom of choice.
>
>hmm..i do not recall being asked which i preferred to learn on...in fact..i 
>recall being FORCED to learn on an auto if at all, thus, i think, they are
>making the decision to FORCE us to learn on the WRONG type....they are trying
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to teach autos first, and then stick if you wanna..should be the other way 
>around..read my thread insert on typing.
>
   The reason they teach us on autos is so that we can concentrate more on 
the road and other cars instead of looking at the stick.  It is much safer 
to learn basic driving skills in an auto and then switch to a manual.

>
>>>but as it is now, have
>>>NONE!!...geez..how can anybody be so blind???
>>
>>I can't ride a motorbike.  I don't apologise for that.  I don't see why I 
>>should learn to ride one just in case I have to borrow one someday.  It is
>>the same for a lot of people and manual gearboxes.  
>reread the above..i do not argue that everyone should know how to do it all.
>just that if they are going to learn, why teach them backwards?? it is silly!
>there is NO reason for it.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  There is a very good reason for it as I stated 
                         above.

>DREW

IMHO it is a good idea to know how to drive a manual, but if someone chooses 
to not learn to drive a stick, that is their choice, and their problem if 
ever the rare situation comes up that they will be stuck with a stick.
Myself, I much prefer a stick, but that is my choice and my perogative.

- Trevor
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From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Triumph 6? Good buy....
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:01:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I posted a message a while back about TR7s or 8s. What about sixes?
Are there good buys? How much? Reliable?
CW

Please email replies....
From: genet@hplsla.hp.com (Gene Taylor)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 17:12:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

My Stanza has a bell that rings if the ignition is off, the lights are on
and you open the driver's door.  This has caught me several times.  This
seems, to me, to be the best of both worlds; you can leave the lights on
if there is a reason to (which occurs rarely) and alerts me promptly if
I didn't mean to leave them on (which occurs regularly).

Our other vehicles don't have this feature, so I have also developed the 
habit of turning and looking back at the car as I walk away from it.

-Gene
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:15:09 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <184252@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com 
(Lon Stowell) writes:
> Since I happened to have had a car with that problem, you can take
>     your mentally derived facts and stick em somewhere....as other
>     posters have noted also that SOME cars have problems and still
>     others have noted that SOME don't.   

I have never said that some cars do not have a problem with low RPM 
electrical power.  I specifically stated that some might but some might
not.

I don't think that the off line discussion I had with other people 
should cause consternation with anyone on line.  We answered a question
about why the alternator appeared to be maintaining power at idle.
That I used an airplane as an example, is immaterial.  This was for
convienience.

For your information, I have a fairly new car so no I don't notice
my headlights dimming.

The RPM range that an airplane normally operates in is typically
800 to 1000 RPM at idle, but this is set by the pilot, and an 
airplane can idle as low as 600 RPM, and at full throttle most
engines are developing about 2600 to 2700 RPM.  Cruise settings are
usually around 2400 to 2500 RPM, again depending on the pilot.

The alternators we use on airplanes are not special, they are jsut
off the shelf components.  The only difference is that they have
been blessed by the FAA, and therefore cost about 4 to 5 times what
the identical auto component costs.  The blessing is largely paperwork
and testing to see how long it will run continously before failure.

You're correct that few airplanes stop and go a lot.  however, we spend
a lot of time sitting on the ground waiting to takeoff, and during
this time (which if you're at a busy field may take 20 minutes), the
airplane is idling, with lots of electrical components on line and 
drawing amperage.  More than the load you could produce using a car.

Still, let me emphasize, I did not say that YOUR car is producing
enough power, I said that MANY cars probably do, and they PROBABLY
wouldn't have a problem with an underdrive pulley.  Lighten up.:-)

Now let's drop the airplane stuff, so I don't have to keep on 
explaining this.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
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From: goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 17:41:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC

In article <1992Oct26.152402.2960@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
>|> 
>|> > The governments in the U.S. (state and federal) are too spineless
>|> > to introduce mandatory seatbelt legislation, ...
>|> 
>|> Not true.  Most states have such laws.
>|> 
>
> I stand corrected.  Since this is the case, why does the Federal
> Government feel compelled to legislate the need for "passive"
> safety devices such as those awful motorized seatbelts?

I think it all comes down to the differences between laws and
regulations.  Federal legislation grants the bureaucracy wide
latititude in inventing regulations to which products (such as cars)
must adhere.  However, requiring people to *behave* in a particular
way (such as wearing seatbelts) generally requires a legislature
(state or federal) to pass a specific law to that effect.
Fortunately, the US Congress (perhaps having learned from the
national speed limit law fiasco) has not yet chosen to butt its
nose into a realm better left to state and local legislation.


> We are truely fortunate that those things never caught on in Canada...

Too true.

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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:31:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) writes:

>Many (most ?) people posting to this group seem convinced
>that the speed limits are too low (I happen to agree, having
>spent most of my life in Europe).

>So, why don't those of you who both pay taxes and are allowed
>to vote introduce some ballot measures of your own, to get the
>speed raised to ... well ... say 90 m.p.h. on Interstates and
>70 m.p.h. on restricted access divided highways ?

>If "everyone" agrees, the measures will pass - if they don't pass,
>then some of us will just have to re-think out attitudes to
>speed limits.

You make it sound so easy......  Unfortunately, "everyone" does not agree on
this one.  The problem is that most of the people who think the limit should be
raised are people who ACTUALLY CAN DRIVE.  As you know if you've driven much
in America, we skilled, thinking drivers are an oppressed minority, held down
by restrictive laws and other drivers' idiocy.  There are so many drivers who
aren't safe at 65.  What do you suppose they'd drive like at 90?  I don't want
to think about it.  What we need is to begin by making people more fit to
drive.  Here are a few key areas, IMHO:
	Right lane fast, Left lane slow
	Signalling
	Following distance
There are other problem areas as well.  But until people start driving intel-
ligently, higher speed limits will not be safe.  Until then, look for the guy
in an old silver BMW, cutting through 55mph traffic at 90 - SAFELY!
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From: eak@swl.msd.ray.com (EFTHYMIOS KIAFOULIS)
Subject: *** HONDA CIVIC 92 HATCHBACK PRICING ***
Summary: 92 HONDA CIVIC PRICING
Keywords: HOND CIVIC
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:30:37 GMT


     Hi !!  I am in the market for a car so after being frustrated
 with not finding a decent used car for a fair price I decided to look 
 at the 92 Honda Civic DX Hatchback.  I went to a dealership in 
 eastern Massachusetts and was able to talk the salesperson
 down to an offer of $8500 for the 92 Civic DX hatchback with air
 condition and floor mats (no car radio).  They're supposedly
 having a 92 models clear out so I don't know what a good deal
 would be on this car.  Has anyone purchased a 92 Honda Civic DX
 and if so is this a good deal?  DO you think I could get a better offer?
 Thanks in advance !!
 
     ***Efthymi
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From: eomiya@borland.com (Elliot Omiya)
Subject: Yokohama A008 175/70/13
Originator: eomiya@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:02:36 GMT

Anyone know where I can get four Yokohama A008's in the 175 70 HR13 size?
Yokohama is no longer making this size (or even that tire?) and I would
like to get four more before it is too late (it is not already too late).
Thanks in advance.  

-=<EHO>=-

Elliot H. Omiya		Borland International
From: shatz@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Sol Shatz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Infinity J-30 comments
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:31:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: bert.1992Nov9.223110.18185
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago

I have been considering buying an Infinity J-30 for a while now.
I took a test drive the other day and here are some comments:

1. Overall -- very nice drive and handling
2. I was surprised at the level of engine noise on acceleration. The
	salesman said this is "by design" to give the driver a sure
	feel for what the car is doing.
3. Seemed small in interior room -- especially in back seats.
4. Sun roof seemed small (but this might be my imagination). Also,
	I was surprised that the sun-roof tilt was just for a "cut
	out section", not for the whole sun roof itself.
5. No lights under the hood or in the trunk -- on this expensive of a car
	I would expect (and want) this.
6. BUT, I do like the exterior styling and the fact that it is "rare
	to see" on the road.
7. The keyless remote is nice -- remote door unlock, trunk release,
	and security system set-off (the salesman says this is great
	for finding your car in a crowded lot).

I am interested in hearing other thoughts on this car -- especially from
owners.

Also, what type of "discount" from the sticker can I expect on this type
of car?
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Merkur XR4Ti
Keywords: n
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:31:18 GMT

In article <masc5n9@Unify.Com> perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:
>Does anyone know if a turbo version of the Ford Sierra XR4i (which, with
>1457 engineering changes :-) is what a Merkur is) was ever sold in Germany?
>I am almost certain that the UK version never had a turbo (or a 4 cylinder
>2.3 litre engine, for that matter).

sure there were turbo versions.
the ford sierra cosworths, in various iterations, all had turbos.
they were 2.0 liter, 16 valve cosworth engines, not the pinto-derived
2.3 liter that we have here.  they even had an AWD version of the
sierra cosworth.
-teddy
From: rymon@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Ron Rymon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Chrysler and Mitsuibishi
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:14:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


 I have seen the new LH car: the one by Chrysler. Its REALLY neat. Of
the few American cars that I liked. Its a bit pricey, but is it that
Chrysler is on the right track?

-Ron
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From: goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Size of Japanese Market (Was:GM sick...)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 18:08:07 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC

In article <1cn41lINNlr3@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>
>I was under the impression that the per-annum auto
>market in Japan was between 350,000 and 400,000 (which would put the
>overall market at about two million autos because of the car lifetime
>bugaboo they have).  Are you sure the 7 million figure isn't an
>overall market rather than per-annum?

Jim, I'm not sure what you mean here.  A "market" figure refers to
the amount of a product *sold* within a given time interval (usually,
one year, unless otherwise noted).  It has nothing to do with the
number of already-sold units out there (the "installed base", if
you will).


>>They've got about 125 million people.  It's the second largest market
>>for autos after the US.
>
>The person-to-car ratio is *much* higher there than here.  Even with
>half our population they're not even close to having half of our car
>market.

Not true, because Japan's shorter average car-lifetime counters the
lower installed-base-per-capita figure.  As you noted, Japan's bogus
"safety" inspection laws effectively make it financially worthwhile
to scrap a perfectly good car after it hits a certain age.  This
gives rise to a higher vehicle replacement rate per year than in the
US.

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From: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM (Eric Bergman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: New Car Paint Care
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:16:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: phaedrus.east.sun.com
Keywords: paint wax new

I am picking up my first ever new car today.

I have heard two contrary things about new car paint care.  
Most people have told me that I should wash and wax the car 
IMMEDIATELY, while a few have said that new car paint should 
cure for a few months, and that it is bad for the paint to be 
waxed in the first 3 or 4 months after manufacture.   

Given that winter is coming up here in the Boston area, the 
right decision is important, and in the absence of any definitive
answer I am inclined to go ahead and wax it.  
   
Anybody know about this?
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OLDsmobile sales plunge
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:29:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1dpgk7INNi4n
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) says:

>
>'oldsmobile sales plunged 21.9% in October, while sales for the entire industry
>improved 7.6% over a weak year-ago month', reports automotive news.
>rumors about olds demise killed sales.  people were cancelling orders and 
>asking where they could get their cars worked on after olds went under.
>gm's new chairman jack smale denied that the board had any thoughts of killing
>the division(of course the board also stated they were in full support of 
>stemple, then they canned him a week later).  they also canned the olds 98...
>this is the last year for it and the redesign of the cutlas cierra has been
>cancelled.  sounds to me like some big changes are going on.  i would 
>speculate that olds won't be around much longer in it's current form...maybe
>a name change and some different models can keep it alive...they are 
>supposedly going to have a 1994 model called the auroa which will be unique
>to olds.  looks like olds buyers better look to buick now!
>

saw a "new" (i think a 93..but am not sure) 88(i think...again..not 
sure) today..from the back, i would have sworn that someone blew up a 
saturn!...the family resemblance was incredible!  from the front, though
it was definately different..not entirely displeasing...but this is a
debate i do not wish to start..just wanted to comment
DREW
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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:43:14 GMT

> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:

>(Mike Mshar) writes:

>>  For example, the alternator will not be
>> able to put out as much current, especially at low rpm's. This can have the
>> effect of draining the battery, if the car is driven in city traffic. 
>
>Excuse if I'm wrong on this, but doesn't an alternator put out about
>the same amount of current at any speed?  Perhaps this is because they
>put out more than is needed anyway, but it seems to me that I read that this
>was true and one of the advantages to having an alternator over a generator?
>
>I know in an airplane, where I usually have a load meter as well as
>an ammeter to look at, I notice the ammeter does not vary when I'm
>idling, or at full power.

Well, the ammeter in my Monte would suggest otherwise.

When sitting at idle, especially with any accessories operating like the
windshield wipers, rear defogger, etc. the ammeter shows a definite
discharge. When I start the car moving, the ammeter goes back up to zero.
So, if you had underdrive pulleys, which according to Summit Racing reduce
the speed of the pulleys by 25%, you could run into problems if your car
spends a lot of time at stop-and-go lights. 

And yes, once the alternator gets spinning so fast, the voltage regulator
keeps the alternator from blowing out every fuse in the car  :-)

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From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:13:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company

In article <5694@sumax.seattleu.edu> smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:
>Actually, the American content is higher than you state.  Things like
>the seats are definatly American made, as is the body, chassis, tires,
>wheels, and in the case of Honda and Toyota (on some models) much of
>the engine and transmission.
>
Could you give the source for your information?  Please don't
take my request as a flame because I'd like to follow up on it.
Things may have changed.  One thing I'm weary about are tires and
wheels.  Only Goodyear is American and a lot of OEM alloy wheels
are made by OZ of Italy.


Ken
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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Corvette Turbo
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 00:40:37 GMT

In article 1dh2vqINN8eq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth) says:
>
>>	Do Corvette's come in Turbo form? I was wondering if I could
>>get a Corvette Turbo. Have they ever come with a Turbo?
>
>*snicker snicker!!*..like..why?...until they come out with awd, the
>vettes do not need more power..not from GM, at least..geez...they
>can't keep that butt end of them planted as it is....:-) :-)
>actually..the Callaway is a quite nice(i guess..never owned one) turbo
>vette.  i say buy a ZR1, bolt in a paxton or a sprintex.....nah..just
>joking(??;-) ...so..enuff..yeah..tha calloway...go fer it!
>DREW

I'd bolt a Vortek on that ZR1, BTW...Turbos SUCK! :)

>>
>>Thanks!
>no prob!
>>
>>-- 
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>>
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Analog Brake Light
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:58:19 GMT

In article <lg01i5INNqlv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>A device along these lines was devised by a guy in Arizona ten, or so, 
>years ago and Yellow Cab put it on all their cars in San Francisco.
>IT WAS A DANGEROUS ABOMINATION!

>The device had the basic effect of riviting the attention of most
>following drivers on the car with the brake blinker.

>Drop it!  It's been tried and it was really stupid.

NO- It was *not* stupid. Once again, it was the stupidity of the public that
killed a very good idea.

(I personally think that anyone who can't tell from depth perception how fast
a car's slowing down doesn't need to be behind the wheel of a car anyway.)

	-Kenny
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