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From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr14.204848.11100
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.110637.13001@cc.uow.edu.au> cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic) writes:
>
>You are dead wrong!  The independant and internationaly recognised republic
>Bosnia and Herzegovina will be the most democratic country in the region.
>Simply, it can't survive otherwise.  We lived as a brothers, but realy, no
>propaganda in it.  

Has anyone been reading the VOX, magazine from Sarajevo, published
by muslims, and even better some of the editors are in the top of
SDA?  If your answer is no, let me tell you that almost six months
ago in this esteemed journal, they published a big article about:
" New Handzar Division formed," with iluminating drawing of muslim,
recognisable by Turkish traditional clothes, and around him heads, 
impaled, of the Serbian leaders.  The same magazine was full of other,
similar articles. One of them was game " built your own scull-tower."

>Lunatic from Pozarevac haven't realised that, and he got
>support in Belgrade, for they believe the Turks still live at Sarajevo.  And,

Talking about Turks ( scull-tower) and lunatics? 

>you are not far from that.  Live long and experience.

This was meant for Andrej, but I hardly find anything wrong with
his answer to Shaaron. 

>Muris

Regards,

Milan

P.S. I am not trying to proove that Serbs are not killing or comitting
crimes.  Among them there are fools who are ready to forget that great 
cause is not an excuse for murderous behaviour. 

P.P.S. No matter how hardly I was trying to find Serbian or even 
Croatian anologue to the VOX I could not. It is unique. 

P.P.P.S.  I have heard that for a first time Alija recognised that
in W.Hercegovina and N. Bosnia Croats are misbehaving. Also
Baker has sent a letter to both governments, Serbian and Croatian,
warning them about B&H.
From: djukanov@cs.uwp.edu (Krsta Djukanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Austrian TV
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr16.230929.26869
Distribution: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside

~r dead.article
From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: QUIZ: MACEDONIAN ANTHEMS
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:47:50 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: buis@buengc.bu.edu



1. Which song was used as the Macedonian National Anthem at the first meeting
of the Anti-Fascist National Liberation Council of Macedonia (ASNOM) held on
August 2, 1944 in the St. Prohor Pchinski Monastery? 

2. What was the original title and the words of the song whose melody was 
taken (and words were re-written) for the National Anthem of the Socialist
Republic of Macedonia "Denes nad Makedonia" (which is still in use)? 



Regards,

	Lou

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski)
Subject: Civil War in Bosnia? (was Re: News Briefs)
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:03:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.012723.11152@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.161706.10187@intellistor.com> robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski) writes:
>>
>>Andrej I must thank an intellectual demi-god like yourself for pointing out
>>*my* "incredible ignorance and obtuseness" with the way I REPRINT articles
>>from "The Wall Street Journal" in their original wording. I will take up
>>their atrocious use of correct English with their editorial department ;-)
>
>Cool it, Rober, cool it!  You know, by repeating the phrase "incredible
>ignorance and obtuseness" n-times you just convinced me that you must be 
>an insecure person who's suffering from a serious case of inferiority complex.

Andrej, do I detect a sardonic tone in your remarks? Perhaps you should
consider attending a course in SARCASM 101.

>Lest you should think that I was trying to offend you in my response to the 
>"Wall Street" article, let me state unequivocally that my posting was NOT 
>directed at you.  I didn't say stuff like:  "Robert, next time make sure . . ." 
>My posting was directed at non-south Slav SCY readers out there who have 
>serious trouble in understanding the crux of the current fighting in
>what used to be Yugoslavia.

Rather than saying "Robert, next time make sure ..." you did say "Next time make
sure ..." Sounded as if the comment was directed toward the author of the post,
namely me. I ask that you be more clear in the future as to just who towards
which your statements are directed.

>As for your quasi-legalistic "proof" that what's going on in Bosnia is a civil
>war, all I can say is:  "Keep dreaming on, Robert!"  The fact that a bunch of
>wealthy and self-satisfied Western nations recognized the hodge-podge of
>differnet nationalities that is Bosnia, does not make an "ethnic" out of
>a Serb or a Croat who are fighting for the inclusion of their areas of
>Bosnia-Herzegovina into their respective countries.

I am very curious as to your definations of "civil war" and "ethnic group,"
and how the situation in B-H does not fit these definations. Please post a
followup.

>
>>--
>>Robert Gerovski
>
>Regards,
>
>Andrej

Robert Gerovski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
From: victor@jezebel.wustl.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Subject: Re: You should be warned....
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:34:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.011857.11151@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.004125.21278@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu (kai -Visitor) writes:
>OB
>>  Aren't you the same Stojanovic who wrote in one of your letters:
>>  "..... doktorica Bosanac Hrvatski Joseph Mengele ......"?
>
>No, although I do agree with this
>Milan

This comparison is an insult to all the victims of Mengele.  Dr. Vesna
Bosanac deserves a medal for her humane treatment of patients of ALL
nationalities in the Vukovar hospital, under the most awful conditions
imposed by daily Yugo Army bombings and shellings.  To compare her to
Mengele is false, disgusting and cheap.

Victor
----
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser (314)935-6771  <victor@jezebel.wustl.edu>
Dept. of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO  63130  USA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic)
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:44:57 GMT




In article <16612@plains.NoDak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr9.065201.8109@wuecl.wustl.edu> victor@jezebel.wustl.edu (Victor Wickerhauser) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >Let's compromise: Serbia can claim he was of
|> >Serbian Orthodox faith and family; Croatia can claim he was born and educated
|> >in Croatia,
|> 
|> Croatia did not exist in those times. dream on.
|> 

And where do you think Corats come from?  Please, get real.

|> 
|> > and America can claim that he succeeded through opportunities
|> >found only here.
|> >
|> >Regards,
|> >Victor
|> 
|> 
|> Hm. Tesla succeeded because he was a "fighter". If he was a wuss he would
|> have given up after first "collission" with Edison and his proofs for
|> example how his alternating current kills animals and Edison one-way doesn't
|> (dirty trick, agrh!)
|> 

Tesla was hardly a fighter.  He was a wierdo, an excentric.  If he were a 
fighter, and patented most of his inventions, and, for example, gave them 
to Yugo, we would have been one of the richest country in the world.  Tesla 
succeeded because he was a genius.  He didn't care much for recognition.
The reason alternating current us used today is purely practical.  Direct
current produces too much loss when transmited long distance.  Tesla loved
his work, and that was all he cared about.  He lived in a Manhattan hotel, 
and had a number of phobias.  One of the strange ones was his fear from
little metal balls.  He would have nightmares about drowning in a see of 
little metal balls.  He was also affraid of viruses.  Service had to bring 
hundreds of napkins to his table because he would wipe off his utencils
again and again before he would start eating.  I think he was the scientist
with the biggest number of inventions.  He even speculated about satelite
communications and no media energy transitions.  His IQ was enormous, and 
he was incredibly patient.  They said he inherited that from his mom.  She
was supposively able to tie a knot on her eye-lashes with her bare fingers.
Try that and see how far you get! :-)  Well, enuf trivia about Tesla...
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: CNN
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:38:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr16.013825.11153
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr15.203533.24596@sol.UVic.CA> merlic@jacob.UVic.CA (Mile  Erlic) writes:
>  On CNN at 2:00pm PDST, the US state department was quoted as
>stating that Serbia was acting beyond civilized behaviour.
>A warning was made that if the behaviour did not change, Serbia
>would be barred from the CSCE.

Wooooow!  The "bastion of democracy" and the "land of the free," which not 
so recently heroically bombed a third world country into oblivion, is making  
its appearance in the Balkans!  Really, I am mighty impressed!  And the threat,
my God, the threat!  "We, the United States of America, will kick you
out of the CSCE!"  And, of course, we all know that CSCE is such an
important world organization that Milosevic will simply fall down on his knees,
crying for mercy!  Ha, ha, ha!

Actually, there is an expression in Serbian which perfectly describes
this "thunderous" appearance of the U.S. in what used to be Yugoslavia:
 
                      KASNO STIZE MARKO NA KOSOVO!

Regards,

Andrej
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: THE CONCERT OF DUBRAVKA TOMSIC (PERSONAL IMPRESSIONS)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:31:19 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr12.171235.11002@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.115540.10992@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>>Andrej, this was an excellent one. 
>>BTW, are the girls good looking, and 
>>do you need help?
>>
>>Milan
>
>
>Dragi Milane!
>
>
>Bas mi je drago sto ti se svidjao moj clanak o koncertu Dubravke Tomsic!
>
>Naravno, djevojke izgledaju ko Bog!  
>
>A sto se tice pomoci . . . khm . . . ovaj, kako da kazem, hocu 
>reci . . . to jest, mislio sam da vec imas "skvo" u svom "vigvamu"!  
>
>Ali sta ja znam!  Pa mozda je poglavica Milan iz plemena Mormona!  Ha, ha, ha!
>
>E, u tom slucaju, Milane, bratski cemo podeliti moje zgodne prijateljice!
>
>
>Pozdrav,
>
>Andrej
>
>
Ja bih se zrtvovao da pomognem braci i buducim saveznicima.  Znas, vi ocekujete
pomoc samo kad su neprijatne stvari u pitanju.


>                     ZA DOMOVINU S TITOM NAPRIJED!
>
Uz Tita, Staljina,
Dva junacka sina,
...
P.S. Zamisli, neki srpski izdajnici su vec pretili da ce me otkucati skvo za 
ono proslu poruku.  Gori su od...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic)
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:49:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.161948.10966@husc3.harvard.edu>, benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
|> 
|> 	HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THIS NEWSGROUP?
|> 
|> 	FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THE READERSHIP IS PRETTY MUCH LIMITED
|> 	TO THE OLD GANG OF:  NIKOLA, MILAN, JOE, ANDREJ, ANDREJ,
|> 	GRGA, VICTOR, LABROS, AND SHARON.
|> 
|> 	AM I RIGHT?

Nope, you are wrong.  :-)

			--- Davor
From: 89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (M. Sablic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:38:46 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:


>	HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THIS NEWSGROUP?

>	FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THE READERSHIP IS PRETTY MUCH LIMITED
>	TO THE OLD GANG OF:  NIKOLA, MILAN, JOE, ANDREJ, ANDREJ,
>	GRGA, VICTOR, LABROS, AND SHARON.

>	AM I RIGHT?

You forgot me. SCY is also distributed in Europe via a mailing list.
List is much larger, most people have stopped contributing by now.
It takes too much effort to be constructive, and most people do
not have the energy or time for the kind of stuff that you and Nikola
waste bandwidth with.

Mladen
--
Mladen Sablic, Pembroke College, Cambridge University, UK.
e_mail: ms145@phx.cam.ac.uk (JANET: ms145@uk.ac.cam.phx)
        89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (JANET: 89ms1@uk.ac.cam.eng) (Rx only)
--
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:13:43 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr10.155913.3645@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>In article <16606@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.045557.18871@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>>>In article <16511@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
*) *) *) *) 
*) *) *) *) "Nikola Tesla is a Serb, who was born in the city that was given to Croatia
*) *) *) *) under KPJ and Tito regime, and note that those borders that were given by
*) *) *) *) KPJ and Croatian Tito were never recognized internationaly."
*) *) *) 
*) *) *) Can you check the birth date of Nikola Tesla and the date when Tito came
*) *) *) in power? Or can you at least check a date when Tesla made that
*) *) *) statement?
*) *) 
*) *) that's the trick - When the borders were given, Tesla was dead.
*) *) When tesla was alive, there was NO "Croatia".
*) 
*) If there was no Croatia at the time when Tesla made a statement, what
*) did he refere himself to _NONEXISTANT_ country? This seems to me the
*) same as he would say that he is "a Serb from Mars". Don't you see,
*) that there is something wrong with your reasoning?
*) 
*) LPA


Hm. It is not confirmed that *TESLA* himself MADE a statement.


Nik
--
  I'M 100% FLAMEPROOF
--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:04:08 GMT

In article <16735@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>-> Tomislav Grgic (BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca)
>-> 
>-> p.s. - How do you like this one:
>-> ----------------------------------------------------------
>-> "Nedamo ni jedan pedalj hrvatske zemlje."
>-> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>So it is true that there are few Ustashe left on this world.

I guess by that token, then, it follows that indeed "all Croats are Ustasha".(?)

Regards,

Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: News Briefs
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: intellis.1992Apr7.134354.28491
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO

Reprinted without permission.

"The Wall Street Journal," Monday, April 6, 1992

Fighting flared in Sarajevo and other towns in
Bosnia-Hercegovian, prompting the Yugoslav republic's
ethnic leaders to appeal for peace. At least 5 towns
declared a state of emergency and defense units were
mobilized. The clashes erupted as Bosnia awaited a
European Community decision on whether to recognize
the republic's independence.
--
Robert Gerovski
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: from rec.humor.funny
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:49:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16741
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

look what have *I* found :

From: pallio.uucp!dg@mis.ucsf.edu (David Goodenough)
Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny
Subject: Computer comparisons.
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:30:05 GMT

Funny one from a radio commercial, heard on KFRC [a local station].

Local Apple dealerships are pushing the old Classic 2's, with all sorts
of deals, like zero per-cent interest for six months. However the real
funny came when they started falking about features:

"..... And it runs faster than a 20 MHz 386 SX running windows! ....."

Isn't that a bit like a car salesman saying "..... and it goes faster
than a Yugo! ....."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:05:40 GMT

In article <16511@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.160325.27585@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>>
>>Nik, I think it is even more appropriate that Tesla was a Serb from Croatia.
>>;-)  ;-)  (from the Lika region I belive)
>
>NO NO NO NO and again NO. You are worng Joe.
>
>the right statement can be :
>
>"Nikola Tesla is a Serb, who was born in the city that was given to Croatia
>under KPJ and Tito regime, and note that those borders that were given by
>KPJ and Croatian Tito were never recognized internationaly."

Bla bla bla bla...

Didn't Tesla himself state that he was a Serb from Croatia?

>BTW, do you imp[ly that there was country named Croatia from the time
>that Tesla was born? I thought it was Austro-Hungarian empire, but do
>correct me if I am wrong, we all know that Croats are better Historian and
>better Geographs then Serbs (that's how Serbs got screwed up in the first
>place ;-)

Funny...but watch what you say...they might not let you return to Belgrad.
;-)

>Nik


Joe
From: predrag@isy.liu.se (Predrag Pucar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: "'Krajina' joins Serbia" (Was: Croatian pos
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:06:56 GMT
Reply-To: predrag@isy.liu.se
Organization: Linkoping University

In article 104934BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca, <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> (Tomislav Grgic) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.111423.10678@husc3.harvard.edu>, stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu
>(Milan Stojanovic) says:
>>
>>My exact words were "defending western borders of Serbia," which is
>>slightly different.  I do not claim that Zagorje has anything
>>to do with Serbia.  But Krajina is and will one day officially be incorporated
>>in Serbia .  Serbs are able to wait to the results of referendum.
>>Are Croats? Feel free to use this whereever you want.
>>So, you distort again. Desperate?  Nothing new.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Milan
>
>Milane:
>
>On "Krajina" being oneday a part of Serbia - select your favourite response:
>
>1) In your dreams
>2) At the same time Kosovo joins Albania
>3) At the same instant Backa is ceded back to Croatia
>4) As soon as SR Serbia relinquishes control of Sandzak to Muslims
>5) When Hungarians in Vojvodina through a referendum join Hungary (taking
>   all of Vojvodina with them)
>6) When the earth starts revolving around the moon

This time you blew it Tomislav. The "fact" that the moon is revolving around the
earth is simply due to the choosen reference point. If you choose the moon as
reference point you'll get somewhat different equations for the movement of the
earth. So, in fact, Milan could pick number 6. But this seems to be as everything 
else in this newsgroup, it depends on from what side you look at the problem.

Now seriously, I don't see why a democratic country should condition its actions
(concerning its internal affairs) on the actions of the neighbouring country. A month
ago there was an interview with Vladimir Seks on the Swedish TV. He was then 
still mentioning the reciprocity principle, i.e. we will give the Serbs rights in Croatia
when Croats get them in Serbia (simplified). Seks is a fool, and fortunately the Croatian
government doesn't follow his line. 

Regards
---
/Predrag      email: predrag@isy.liu.se
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Statement of the week: Pismo prijatelju 2 - Serbo-croatian
Keywords: pismo
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:24:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr15.192455.11141
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Translation:

........................................
... even in Croatia today, there are no Ustashas ( even those
slaughters that were proven, were not done by Paraga's men, 
but by regular territorial defense)...

Buy, Cicic
..........................................

Bez komentara.
No comments.

Milan

P.S. The logical consequences of this statement are numerous. 
I would live to the reader to conclude, what author really wanted 
to say.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Flood-wave in Bosnia
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.084358.23896@bernina.ethz.ch> mitrovic@tik.ethz.ch (Srdjan Mitrovic) writes:
>Reported in NZZ 14.4.1992
>
>Extremist Muslim release flood wave 
>
>(Reuter)  
>According to Radio Sarajevo, a paramilitary Muslim group 
>executed their threat and opened 2 gates  of one of the
>2 coffer-dams that they took posession of. An enormous wave is flowing
>down the river Drina, reported the radio on Monday and added that 
>citizens of the nearby city of Visegrad are being evacuated.
>
>The Muslims occupied the dams last week and menaced either to blow them
>up or to open the gates if the Serbian guerilla and the Yugoslavian
>army do not retreat from the area. The flood wave that has been 
>generated by the opening of gates should have already flooded
>Visegrad, reported Tanjug. The bridges are flooded and the water 
>entered several villages.
>

Just a short addendum that the above Muslim and other (black and
white) story will become more realistic. Namely this group have a name
(Murat is the name of the guy - group) and it is acting _against_ any
agreement and even more in a disagreement with Muslim leaders of
Bosnia&Herzegovina.

On the other hand, Serbian guerilla are people under command of
criminal Arkan (comming from Belgrade) and are acting officially in
disagreement with Serbian leaders of B&H as well.

LPA