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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: military ban legislation upcoming
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:45:35 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	There are two bills mentioned as being likely targets:
>the Family Leave Act and one other I think having to do with
>medical coverage.  

	It's the one dealing with the NIH.

	Two things I think we need to have passed in this country
IMMEDIATELY:

	1) line-item veto
	2) A resolution stating that after the attachments of ANY
		amendment to ANY legislation it starts over at 
		square one.  It might slow things down, but it
		would prevent the sleazy way that Helms has of
		putting things thru that would never make it
		otherwise.

	(Of course either would produce the same results).

BBC
From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton Names White House E-Mail Director
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:16 CST
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gergo.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C1Ht1D.CEy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kane@cs.purdue.edu (Christopher Kane) writes...
}What they need is a newsgroup, that press releases can be put out on.
}But what to name it?  biz.house.white?  talk.bill?  rec.government?
}alt.horror.government?  Perhaps something along the lines of
}alt.callahans...  :-)
} 
}waiting for alt.fan.stephanopoulous,

How about:

  gov.whitehouse.clinton
  gov.whitehouse.gore
  gov.whitehouse.staff (with .stephanopoulous as a subgroup ;) 
  gov.whitehouse.d

then there could also be:

  gov.congress.*
  gov.pentagon.* (including gov.pentagon.motss)
  gov.fbi.*
  gov.cia.*

and, of course:

  gov.hillary-and-tipper

Though gov.binaries.pictures.stephanopoulous would be enough... <grin>

 - Dave Martin - Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M - 
 - DAVE@GERGA.TAMU.EDU - DBM@AOL.COM -- My views, my life, my right... -
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:35:13 GMT

In article <j0p3lq+@rpi.edu> buckmr@rs6421.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>>I got this information from Laura Arnold:
>
>>State                 Senator                Phone        Fax
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>Alabama               Heflin                  4124
>>                      Shelby                  5744        3416
>Neat stuff, but what exactly are the first 3 digits in all these cases? 224,
>I guess?

Yes, sorry. Got a little bit enthusiastic with the deleting-to-save-space...
My apologies.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Key West, the TV show
Organization: Smurf Gang
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:11:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.034831.21438@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kekims@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.E. Kindler ) writes:
>	This new show on FOX seems to have to strong gay characters. I have
>to admit I walked into the middle of the most recent episode though and
>missed a lot. 

Interesting.  I never considered watching it -- from the commercials, I
thought it looked to be an exceptionally straight Key West -- i.e., nothing
remotely resembling the reality of that charted, undeserted isle.

>	It will be interesting to see how these characters develop. When I
>saw the first episode and it was dealing with a gay character I just
>thought they were doing it to show they would take on "tough issues of
>the real world". When it carried over into the second it got me
>wondering where they were going to go with all this.

Key West is sort of the Gay Mecca of the south-east USA (shared with South
Beach and Lauderdale; the other corners, from a Canadian perspective, are
NYC+Fire island, with a long tendril to P-town; SF and LA in major 
competition, as always, for the South West; and Seattle is growing as 
the NW destination -- although Vancouver still seems more popular).
Any show that doesn't include day-to-day public exposure (ooh!) of GLBs as
prominent citizens of Key West would be even less realistic than most 
television programs.

-paul

-- 
Butch Smurf     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
It's a smurf thing; I don't understand.
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Challenge: Documentation of Nonpromiscuity
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:55:12 GMT

In article <74041@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> Well, it's half-way through the week, and nobody can document any statistics
> that gays as a group have fewer sexual partners than heterosexuals. We do hav
> a few people who have few partners, but that's not a controlled study.

Don't confuse the typically Gay chosen behavior of ignoring people
of your ilk with inability to document statistics.

Don't you know how to read English for comprehension Arthur?
Did my last reply to you go over your head, or weren't there enough rows
and columns to get your attention.?

> Hey, if promiscuity isn't bad, why bother denying it? Can't have it both ways
> Either it's good, and you should have lots of it, or it's bad and there's
> a limit to how much you should have.

Your not being denied Arthur, like at Autodesk, I'm the only one
who will talk to you, because your such an annoying little twit
people get sick and tired of your petty agenda quite rapidly.

BTW, I persevere because your such fun to bait.


Oh, and yes, sex is good and you should have as much as you like, as long
as you do it safely. The only limits anyone *should* have are those set
by their own selves, in other words *don't should on me.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen, owen@autodesk.com
[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: QW
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:17:05 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com


So, a couple of days ago, we received a card from QW magazine.
It seems that they are working on getting enough capital to
start publishing again.  Perhaps they are not gone yet....


FWA
From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re:safer sex question
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:36:14 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

	I just went for an HIV test two days ago.  The counselor made it clear
that going down on boys was a risky activity.  Regardless of HOW risky it is, I
personally would not play around with odds in a case like this.
	I would advise you to contact the people who wrote that pamphlet and
set them straight.  Believe me, honey, I know the frustrations of safer sex. 
However, It's all for a good cause.

	By the way, the counselor also stressed that lesbians are not immune!
Get out those dental dams and those latex gloves and get down!

Fezzer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:09:16 GMT

Madonna flounced (as only she can) to the Rubbles' house. There, all
our prehistoric friends (and Wendy (of fast food fame), who had
stopped by for some sugar) were lounging in the sauna (powered by
Peter and Bobby Brady (stripped to the waist, sweat tricking down
their boychests to their succulent boybellybuttons, pausing there
to regroup before rushing inexorably down into their tight white
boybriefs to mingle with the boyish scents of their respective
boycocks)). 'Come join us!' invited Pebbles, who was filling out
quite satisfactorily, though she still gravitated towards ponytails
and training pants. Gleefully, Madonna cracked her gum and shirked
her shirtdress (you know, the one in the 'Cherish' video; in fact,
she was still moist from the shoot, still had the scent of the little
mergirl about her), exposing surprisingly demure (cheap, even) tan
nylon undergarments.
The sauna was beginning to get crowded - Betty, Wilma, Pebbles, Wendy,
and Madonna, who had no place to sit. Betty beckoned. 'Come, sit on
my lap,' she murmered, gesturing with one perfectly-manicured hand
in an achingly beautiful way, like Madge on the Palmolive commercials
(sorry, she was out of town). Madonna eyed the aforementioned lap -
apparently, the television cameras had a slimming effect on her,
because Betty was ever-so-much more substantial in person. Her hips
were wide, and the legs that sprung from the holes in her dino-panties
were thick and pale, yet smooth and creamy.
Madonna's eyes filled with lust (you know, like in 'Burning Up', when
she's writhing in front of the car), and she began to slink to the
surprisingly matronly Betty (in kind of the same attitude she had in
Dick Tracy where she and Warren Beatty first meet) when she tripped
over a rattle that Pebbles had left lying in the middle of the floor.
'Oh!' she cried, falling quite clumsily (I don't think she's done
that before) and scraping her knee on the rough wood floor. 'Pebbles!'
Wilma shouted, as Betty gave Madonna her seat, kneeled before her,
and began sucking her knee to try to remove the sliver that had lodged
there. 'I told you to pick up after yourself!' Pebbles started, looking
frightened (and perhaps just a little aroused?). Wendy guffawed and
said 'Gorsh!'.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Telephone calls for national politics
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:42:04 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)

Am I the only one who is disgusted by this latest game in politics,
thousands of citizens telephoning various people in Washington DC and
registering their "vote" for or against the ban on queers in the
military?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't call. We don't have a choice - other
folks are already playing the game, so we have to make our own calls.

But what the hell? The news media are reporting the "tallies of calls
for or against" like they were votes or scientific polls or something.

Is this what's meant by interactive government?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                   There is absolutely no other possibility
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58976 ca.politics:10736 talk.politics.misc:70492
From: rlm@surfcty.com (Robert McMillin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Gays in the military (was:Re: Book Review "The Homosexalities")
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:22:14 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

> In article <randall.728017145@seashore>, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) 
> > The same arguments used against integrating the military back in 
> > the 40's are being used today to keep homosexuals out of the
> > military.   "Gays/blacks are oversexed and perverted", "they'll
> > disrupt unity and harmony in the units", "Some people just can't
> > stand being around people of THEIR kind", ... etc.   
> 
> Actually, the arguments are different.  The claim was that blacks
> weren't good soldiers.  The reality, was that a lot of people were
> scared spitless of blacks learning how to use a gun.  (Lynchings
> are more difficult when the victims are returning fire.)
> 
> The real difference, is that being black isn't evidence of being
> emotionally disturbed and damaged, as being a homosexual is.

That's a bit much, there.  Personal opinion follows: Gayness is probably 
influenced by genetics as well as by environment.  To blankly label all 
homosexuality as "evidence of being emotionally disturbed and damaged" is 
unthinking at best.  I know you can come up with better reasoning than 
this; please do so.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Cold Coffee (was Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:55:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.092124.17926@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Wasn't this thread mutation natural? We went from brown caffeine-laden
> carbonated drinks that are bad for you to brown caffeine-laden drinks
> that are bad for you.
> 
> In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >Cold coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
> >wasn't that simple?

As someone else pointed out, "cold coffee" and "iced coffee" are not
the same thing. I will add that "coffee" and "iced coffee" are
entirely different beverages, and (for me at least) serve entirely
different purposes.

Coffee that was supposed to be hot, but was cooled to room
temperature, in indeed entirely undrinkable.

> 
> One of my big "I wish I had.." regrets from the pdx.motss.con was that
> I didn't try to cram all 60 of us into my favourite Thai/Vietnamese
> cafe here in Portland. The place is called "Saigon Kitchen". If you're
> ever in the area, it's on SE 40th and Division.
> 
> Taste this meal:

I really should be more careful about when I read soc.motss. I was
already hungry, now I'm ravenous, and it's still an hour until
lunchtime. :-(

> ObMotss - a muffin who was at the con first took me to this restaurant
> two years ago, right after the first time I went to Rooster Rock, my
> first nude beach.

Hmm... I wonder if this is who I think it is.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:42:39 GMT

In article <1jmvquINNp94@morrow.stanford.edu>, alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.160816.26950@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >
> >(2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
> >of cold milk;
> >
> AND you MUST pour the milk BEFORE the tea, or you are REALLY a heathen!
> (and if you, like me, don't take milk with your tea, you must be some sort
> of savage) 

...which has the added "advantage" that by the time your gracious host
hands you the cup it's too late to decline milk.

> 
> Alpha
> I can't believe I am still in this thread

Robert [likewise]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Hair Stylists (was Re: ah, Iowa)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:10:01 GMT

wilsonscottr@bvc.edu writes:

>I hear now the same thing is happening at my ex-alma matter.  Only 3 people 
>go to the meetings and only two of them are gay.  (BTW,, I think the known 
>fag count is up to 4 this year)

Pff. That'd barely make an orgy...

>>>You HEATHEN!  Except for her "Fight the real enemy" take off (which kept me 
>>>giggling for the rest of the show),
>> 
>> Ooo! Whatwhatwhat?
>> 
>When Sinead O'Connor was on, she ripped up a pic of the Pope after a song.  
>Miss M was asked in an interview afterwards about the incident and was 
>misquoted.  So, this was her revenge, for lack of a better term.

Well, duh! I knew *that* (except that I didn't know she'd been misquoted).
What did she do on the show? How did she lampoon it?

>> Well, what didn't stick in your mind? Any queer-relevant skits at all?

>Pat was on (if that counts).

Did she and Pat get together and fall in love? That would have been
cute.

>> Who was the official musical guest?

>She was.  Some guy I've never heard of was the host (go figure).

They prolly figured it'd be an insult to a real star to be ignored
as thoroughly as anyone would if put beside Madonna.

>And I was wondering; what is the most effective, yet appropriate was to 
>flirt with your hair stylist?

You're asking *me* about how to deal with hairstylists? Hahahahaha.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Alladin
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:19:20 GMT

tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander) writes:

>In <thaaang.727317529@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>John, who had hoped that there would have been some kind of dedication
>>to Ashman somewhere in the credits, but who didn't see any. Was there
>>any such thing in the credits to B&B? I know there was an oblique
>>reference on the soundtrack, but that's not the same...

>(From memory:) "In memory of Howard Ashman, who gave a mermaid her voice
>and a beast his soul -- we will always be grateful" -- in the credits to B&B
>*and* on the audio cassette box.  I'd hardly call that "oblique."

Oh. Duh. Sorry, I remember that now (I knew it was on the cassette
box, but wasn't sure about the film); I was just pissed that Disney
didn't add a nice eulogy or something; having a scene that screeches
to a halt as Beauty turns to the camera and proposes a moment of
silence after talking about how horrible AIDS is and how bigotry and
homophobia are killing hundreds of thousands and 'remember, kids,
gay is GOOD!' and then Gaston comes on wearing leather peek-a-boo
briefs and he and the beast wrestle in porridge and Beauty's dad
jacks off watching and the Gaston fan club girls get narcisstic and
Beauty wises up and takes up with Camille Paglia and... well, you know.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Firearms
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:37:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.131625.7630@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: 

   The CFV, OCA, and other acronymic filth are not using guns
   to achieve their objectives.  Later they doubtless will, but
   we better not let them get that far.

Otherwise, we'll have to be better armed and have better aim.

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Clinton Gets Earful at Open House
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:01:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.163731.15843@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>Today's (1/22/93) New York Times reported on the 3,000
>people who showed up at the White House yesterday to greet
>the Clintons and Gores..
>
>    "Mr. President, I wanted to tell you I was so excited
>    when I received my call," said Chris Henry, who like
>    most of the visitors sent postcards to Washington and
>    were notified last week that they would get tickets to
>    meet Mr. Clinton.  "And I wanted to call my parents.
>    But they aren't talking to me for the last 11 years
>    because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>    will change that."

I'm missing something. Does she expect Clinton to call her parents and
talk to them? Maybe invite her parents to a party without telling them
that Ms. Henry would be coming as well, and force a confrontation? If
not, how does she expect a different president to change her parents's
minds?

He's just a president, people. He's not Zeus.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Advice needed-Bad comming out experience
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:13:34 GMT
	<1k4fb6INN5u7@transfer.stratus.com> <1k4n7rINNm17@umbc5.umbc.edu>
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

In article <1k4n7rINNm17@umbc5.umbc.edu> ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273) writes:

   >In article <1993Jan26.174415.17866@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

   >>his parents influence.  For most people under 25 that is difficult
   >>to arrange both logistically and financially...  There is rarely
   >>if ever a "perfect and simple" solution.
   >
   >You're absolutely right, given his age and the fact that his parents
   >are probably paying for the therapy.
   >
   >Under the circumstances, the best thing for him to do is probably to
   >stop seeing the offending shrink AT ALL and try to arrange for counseling
   >of his own, if possible.


	   Given his age, and the obvious status of his parents, that is not a 
   possible solution either.  He is obviously going to the offending shrink 
   against his will in the first place, and will continue to be strongarmed into
   going, until his parents are fully satisfied that he has been properly cured.

Well, if he's "almost 18," he can stop going as soon as he IS 18, and the
doctor and parents have no right to force him to go. In the mean time, he
may have to GO, (although I personally would make them have to drag me,
kicking and screaming, into the office) but he doesn't have to PARTICIPATE.
the "doctor" can't make him actually SAY ANYTHING during the sessions, and
neither can the parents. If he sits there and ignores the shrink, the
parents will probably soon see that they're shelling out a lot of money
with no forseeable results. 

As far as getting his own therapy goes, I went to a family therapist for a
while with my father who gave us some sessions for free, as he had a grant
from the state of NJ to study family problems, and thought we were an
interesting case. (My sessions, BTW, had nothing to do with my being gay,
but that's beside the point.) If he were to call a local hospital's 
psych wing, they might to able to refer him to some similar arrangement.

			Tom
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: subscribe
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:54:45 GMT

In article <2B608567@urjwc.ucla.edu> MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu ("Davis, Mark A.") writes:
>Please subscribe me.
>

OK, you get 1) Soldier of Fortune 2) Guns and Ammunition 3) Frighten
the Horses 4) DPN 5) Foreign Affairs 6) Barbra 7) Barbie and 8) Hippie
Dick. That'll be $3027.42.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FAX PRESIDENT CLINTON (*AND* GENERAL COLIN POWELL)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:05:51 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <9301261844.AA15779@localhost> buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>On Tuesday, January 26 1993, dorsieh@agora.rain.com (Dorsie Hathaway) wrote:
>
>> 
>> I heard on ABC news this morning that the Congress had gotten over
>> 800 faxes AGAINST lifting the ban and only 21 in support.  It's time
>> to get off our hands, people.
>> 
>Exactly! This is a VERY important test of political power between Clinton and
>the Right Wing. 

What makes you think that this is Clinton and the Right WIng only?
Why would you believe that only Right Wingers oppose the idea?
Last night, during the news hour in the Fox Network, they claimed
to have gotten more than 8000 calls in less than one hour, and that
73% of them were against the lift of the ban.
Or those who oppose the lifting are homophobes and bigots like those
in Colorado?




aap
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