HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mparisi@ripple.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Parisi)
Subject: Re: long, long, really long DCL commands
Reply-To: mparisi@ripple.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Parisi)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:44:57 GMT


In article <1ho405INNnna@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU 
(Carl J Lydick) writes:
> Sorry, Ken, you're flat-out wrong, at least under VMS v5.4-2:
> $ X:=
> $ X[0,16]=%x0A0D
> $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT -
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "************************************************************************",X,-
> "**********************************************"
> 
> works just fine.

Yeah, It works... but check out the recall buffer after you execute it:
$ reca/all
 1 "**********************************************"
 2 "************************************************************************",X,
"************************************************************************",X,"**
**********************************************************************",X,-
 3 "************************************************************************",X,
"************************************************************************",X,"**
**********************************************************************",X,-
 4 "************************************************************************",X,
"************************************************************************",X,"**
**********************************************************************",X,-
 5 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "*********************************************************
***************",X,"************************************************************
************",X,"***************************************************************
*********",X,-
$

Curious.
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			-- Mark Parisi (mparisi@ripple.jpl.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: HOW TO SIGNOFF
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:04:23 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <9212240113.AA10272@image.uky.edu>, cdavis@BME1.IMAGE.UKY.EDU (Charles Davis VA) writes:
>      I'm forced to ask this after having failed multiple times
> over the last 4 days.  HOW DOES ONE SIGNOFF THE INFO-VAX list?!!

You can't.  Yea, death shall not release you.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows-NT
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: SABRY@SHEBIN.EG (Sabry Kotob El-Ganzory)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Question about DECnet of Network..
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:04:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Hello all.............
I am Sabry from EGYPT, Our system MV 3400 by 12.00MB with VMS V5.2-1 and
Couple with DECnet with all univetiries egyptain....ok.
Of course, I am sending to you needing a help.
I'm a novice in system managment.....
My question is:-
When I boot to device appear to me these a messages it is:-
Message from user DEcnet
DECnet starting
%NCP-I-NOINFO,no information database
%NCP-W-INVIDE, invalid indentification,line=tx-0-12
%SYSTEM-F-INDEVMAN,invalid device name
%NCP-W-UNRCMP,unrecongized component,circurit
Circuit=tx-0-12
Please, how I avoid this a messages to appears me????
As a matter of fact, I'm a novice in system management.....
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Sabry Kotob..............
E-mail:sabry`shebin.eg
From: dragon@NSCVAX.PRINCETON.EDU (Mighty Firebreather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: HOW TO SIGNOFF
Date: 25 Dec 92 03:29:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	Charles Davis <cdavis@bme1.image.uky.edu> writes:
>
>     I'm forced to ask this after having failed multiple times
>over the last 4 days.  HOW DOES ONE SIGNOFF THE INFO-VAX list?!!
>     I was encouraged this morning to see good advise from
>someone else in this arena, but a signoff request to the
>LISTSERV that was mentioned in that message yielded an
>ambigious reply.  I have also sent signoff requests to
>info-vax-request@sri.com but that doesn't seemed to have
>helped either.
>     Thanks in advance for your patience...

	How do you receive info-vax?  Look at the message headers.  If you
get info-vax directly from SRI.COM then you must send your request to:
info-vax-request@sri.com.  Since this is processed by a program, don't get
fancy.  Send 'UNSUBSCRIBE' as both the subject and the body of your 
message.  Nothing else, it wouldn't be understood and it might fatally 
confuse the program.  If that doesn't work, try sending 'HELP' as both 
subject and message body.

	If you get info-vax from a listserv somewhere, send your signoff to
that listserv.  If you can't figure out how, send 'HELP' and see what you 
get back.

	In either case, allow some time for your request to be processed.


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*                                                                       *
*                        Here, there be dragons!                        *
*                      dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu                      *
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: C pointer question
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:01:06 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec23.002554.19604@netcom.com>, despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
=I am porting some C code to the VAX, and am having many problems.  One
=of them was fixed by DEC Support (after a lot of feeling around) by changing
=this:
=void foo(char a[])
={
=bar(a);
=}
=
=to this:
=void foo(char a[])
={
=bar(&a);
=}
=
=bar wants a char *, foo is passed a char *.  What am I doing wrong?
=What is VMS C doing to my previously working code?  Any suggestions?

If what you say is true (hey, I belive you THINK it's true, but you've removed
most of the code that tells us what's going on), it looks like you've found a C
bug.

But we'll never know unless you send us some code that demonstrates the problem
(yes, I'm working on a second version of my "How to ask questions in INFO-VAX"
monthly posting).

Let me be a little more specific about what I was saying.  You've run across a
problem.  You don't know what exactly caused the problem (otherwise did you
call CSC and/or post to this newsgroup?)  Rather than posting the problem in
its entirety (i.e., a program that demonstrates the problem) you posted a
description of what you THINK the problem is.  Well, since you don't (by
definition) know what the REAL problem is, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOUR
SUMMARY OF THE PROBLEM REALLY TELLS US WHAT THE PROBLEM IS?

Please:  Post the simplest example you can come up with that demonstrates the
"problem."  Then you'll have everyone who reads this group and is interested in
the problem working on it (and I can pretty much guarantee that those working
on the problem will include myself, Jerry Leichter, Jamie Hanrahan, and Ehud
Gavron [yes, three of of HAVE been known to flame;  but we are also known for
spending LOTS of time trying to pin down this sort of problem]).

As it is, you've been so goddamned vague, nobody's likely to be able to help
you.

So, please:  Send us a program that demonstrates the alleged problem.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: ULTRIX, VMS and HSC70 connection...
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:55:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

That is correct.  Both NYU and RIT are/have operated "very mixed architecture" 
"VAXclusters".  We currently have 3 VAXen running VMS and 3 DECsystems runnning
ULTRIX in the same hardware cluster sharing HSC40, SHC50, and HSC70.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to merge two sysuaf.dat files??
Date: 22 Dec 1992 05:53:38 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <01GSKVJUMIOI9I4IMI@HCACAD.HOLYCROSS.EDU>, JBP@HCACAD.HOLYCROSS.EDU (Father Pomeroy) writes:
>
> As usual, I believe I saw this but did not keep it.
> We have two SYSUAF.DAT files (which we shouldn't, I know), which I now wish
>to merge into one. the problem is that some of the same entries exist in
>both, but with variations. VMS SORT will eliminate dups but there is no
>way to determine which of the two to keep ( we will always wish to keep the
>entry from the shorter file). 
> The only thing I can think of is to write a program which will read the
>shorter file and WRITE into the longer file, checking first for  the existence
>of the same key, in which case re-write from the new record. I feel very
>insecure about this, since it IS the UAF with which I am playing (I would,
>of course, do it in a work area first, but still??).
> Suggestions appreciated.

You've got the right idea.  If the two SYSUAFs are from the same version of
VMS, your idea will work with no problems.  DEC has changed the format of
SYSUAF a few times, and if the SYSUAFs are from versions between which DEC made
changes, it won't work.  Assuming you're not in that unenviable position:
	$	OPEN/READ INPFILE short_sysuaf
	$	OPEN/READ/WRITE OUTFILE long_syauaf
	$	SET NOON
	$ LOOP:	READ/END=DONE INPFILE REC
	$	WRITE/SYMBOL OUTFILE REC
	$	GOTO LOOP
	$ DONE:	CLOSE INPFILE
	$	CLOSE OUTFILE
will do what you want.  You will, of course, want to check the log file to see
which records conflicted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Detecting directory of invoked .com
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec23.160636.27010@tigger.jvnc.net>, fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM writes...
#At the risk of being flamed by the "active" participants of this Sig, I have
#a problem which I hope has a reasonable answer.
# 
#In a DCL program, I would like to be able to determine what directory the
#invoked .com file is located in.  I seem to remember a similar thread about
#6 - 8 months ago, so I hope someone remembers the solution.
# 
#Reason:  I have a production command procedure that every once in awhile
#must be moved to a test area for modification.  Currently, when I copy the
#com file to the test area, I comment out the assigns associated with the
#production version and uncomment the assigns associated with the test
#version.  Unfortunately, sometimes when this command procedure is moved
#back into production, the assigns are NOT switched back.
# 
#What I would like is to some code to this command procedure which would:
# 
#     if command file in production area then
#        assign production logicals
#     else
#        assign test logicals
#     endif
# 
#Does anyone know a method for doing this?

	Yes.  Help lex f$environment  (procedure), help if, help define.

# 
#- Carl
#---------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Carl Fogelin (fogelincc@cyanamid.com)     "All opinions are strictly mine" 
#   "Sushi!   That's what my ex-wife called me.  Cold fish." -- Blade Runner

	Ehud

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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Butthead
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:15:50 GMT
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN


In article <1992Dec22.192113.856@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, pampreen@emunix.emich.edu (Dave Pampreen) writes:
->Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
->From: pampreen@emunix.emich.edu (Dave Pampreen)
->Subject: Re: Butthead 
->
->   I ask questions here because I can't find it in the manuals or
->noone I work with has the answers.  I spend a long time checking the
->manuals before I posted.  I know someone can answer it, I just don't like
->being screamed at by someone who tells everybody to look in the manuals.
->
->I have had many questions answered here, and I hope people won't be afraid
->to post because they might get cussed out.
->
->
->
It's a shame that some people have to be know-it-all jerks.  Anyone who flames
or ridicules someone for asking a question is just insecure with what they know
and are trying to make themselves look better.  Come on know-it-alls, didn't any
of you ever have to ask for help before???

No question is dumb and I would extend the same courtesies to someone with a 
quetion that I would want when I have one.

                                                   That's all for now,
                                                        Chad

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From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LAT-speaking interface card for HP laser
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:51:40 GMT
Organization: NobelTech AB

In article <23189.2b26fbf1@nacdh9.nac.ac.za> pilcher@nacdh9.nac.ac.za (John Pilcher) writes:
>I am looking for an ethernet interface card that speaks LAT,for the
>HP Laserjet II and the new Laserjet 4. Can anyone point me in the
>right direction?  Recommendations, experiences, etc.
>Many thanks.

Emulex makes a card that does ethertalk, LAT, TCP/IP (somewhat) and IPX 
(Netware) at the same time. It is sadly very weak in the TCP/IP field,
it uses RARP to get a network address (others use BOOTP), and partly as
a result thereof you can't set a default gateway or netmask. Haven't tried
the LAT part though. We normally use HP cards, with TCP/IP.

/Per
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From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: your ftpmail request has been received
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:26:05 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, a division of CSK(UK) Ltd

FZC@CU.NIH.GOV ("Can't we stop, hurting each other") writes:
|> I would like to see the flaming on Info-Vax to stop.
|> Additional information will be posted later.

and then the ftpmail server at DEC WRL writes:

|> 	reply info-vax@kl.sri.com
|> [...]
|> 	connect wsmr-simtel20.army.mil anonymous ftpmail/FZC@CU.NIH.GOV
							 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now Steve Lionel may be right that Kevin's original "Can someone E-Mail me
the sources to VMS?" posting was a joke, but can someone please explain what
is funny about a real or spoofed posting from ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com?

Just asking. Neil.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: Butthead
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:37:43 GMT

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:

>I was flamed in response to some of my early questions,

Is that why you seem to like to flame people who now post similar types
of obviously "early questions"?

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
From: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Butthead
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:19:07 GMT
Reply-To: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox)
Organization: National Superconducting Cyclotron Lab.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rudolf.nscl.msu.edu


--
  As usually, everybody's right (to some extent).  There have been
some awfully ill researched questions posted to the group.  That wastes
bandwidth I suppose (not nearly as much as this discussion though).
  On the other hand, reading a message doesn't obligate you to respond.
If you don't want to answer a 'stupid' question... there's always
Next Unread.
   Can we stop this foolishness  my Next Unread finger is getting sore.

	RF
Ron Fox                     | FOX@MSUNSCL.BITNET      | Where the name 
NSCL                        | FOX@RUDOLF.NSCL.MSU.EDU | goes on before
Michigan State University   | MSUHEP::RUDOLF::FOX     | the quality
East Lansing, MI 48824-1321 |                         | goes in.
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From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: C pointer question
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:25:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am porting some C code to the VAX, and am having many problems.  One
of them was fixed by DEC Support (after a lot of feeling around) by changing
this:
void foo(char a[])
{
bar(a);
}

to this:
void foo(char a[])
{
bar(&a);
}

bar wants a char *, foo is passed a char *.  What am I doing wrong?
What is VMS C doing to my previously working code?  Any suggestions?
-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Subject: Re: can we stop talking about carl, please?
Originator: storrs@c20002-121rd.che.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:51:42 GMT


Boys,  boys...........BOYS................that's ENOUGH !!!!
	Go to your rooms and mellow out.  No more sweets for you guys.....
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: torres@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca ( mario  torres )
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Help with VAX/VMS books
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:39:03 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

Hello:

	Could anyone reccommend some books or other type of literature
that are appropriate for novice and intermediate level VAX/VMS users.
If you have some recommendations could you please post them or mail them to me?

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LSE: Including eve features?
From: tas@madre.dasd.honeywell.com (Todd A Sorensen)
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:03:12 MST
Organization: Honeywell Flight Management Systems
Nntp-Posting-User: tas

In article <BzoI93.LEp@news.udel.edu>, oughton@chopin.udel.edu (Sean Oughton) writes:
> We've just obtained the LSE, so I'm in the process of switching over 
> from using EVE to LSE.  There are some things I haven't found.
> 
> 1. How can I get the eve type learn/remember behaviour in lse?

press the do key,
type >define key/learn
LSE will now ask you for the key to be defined, then the sequence.  To end the
sequence (remember) press the key again.  I find this to a key with:
DEFINE KEY /IF_STATE=GOLD F8 "DO ""DEFINE KEY/LEARN"" "/LEGEND="LEARN"

> 
> 2. Can I set nowrap and right margin = 72 (for example) for all buffers
> (i.e. in the startup command file once ond for all)?

Yes, I do that in my initialization file.

> 
> 3. Can I set the prompt buffer for LSE commnds (i.e., after hitting 
> the DO key or typing ctrl-z) so that it is permamently in insert mode?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but here's what happens:
The do key executes one command in LSE (or a series of commands if you like)
and returns to the current buffer. Ctrl-z puts you at the LSE> prompt where you
can enter multiple commands until you ctrl-z back to the buffer.

> 
> 4. Are there any language interfaces available for 
> latex (or perhaps even IDL)?

I can't help you here, maybe someone else can.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         sean@bartol.bartol.udel.edu

I used to use TPU exclusively, but now use LSE almost exclusively.  If you write
a lot of code, IMO LSE is the way to go.
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