HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: 3000 vs. 4000?
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:14:03 GMT
Organization: City University, London

angst+@CMU.EDU (Jon C. Slenk) writes:
>Okay, I am still somewhat lost. I have heard that the 4000 is the first
>machine of Commodore's new Amiga design, and that future Amigas will be of
>similar designs to the A4000. I have also heard that the 4000 kinda sucks
>in comparison to the 3000 (and presumably if that is true then especially
>in comparison to the 3000T).
>
>What I would like to know is - if I am considering getting a new machine,
>do you think I should go for the 3000T since it is pretty kul, or do you
>think I should go for a 4000 in the hopes that it will be more secure than
>the 3000 line (ie: it isn't already considered obsolete by CBM)?
>
>Any comments would be greatly appreciated...

I asked this very same question a few days ago on other groups.
The consensus of opinion was, it you could get a very good deal
on the A3000 go for it. If you can wait or you have the dosh,
go for the A4000. I have now bought an A3000 2nd hand, and I 
think it will do what I want. 

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From: fnunez@bilbo.cs.uct.ac.za (F Nunez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Is the A500 being phased out in .za?
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:28:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: bilbo.fnunez.719134095
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

I am considering buying one of the low-end Amigas in the near future (before
June next year) and have heard that the A500 is being phased out in Europe to
make room for the A600. In the US however, they seem to want to hang on to the
A500 for a bit longer. What is the situation in South Africa? (sorry if this
posting annoys people in other countries, but the only distributions I know are
'local' and 'world').

	Also, I've seen the A600 advertised by ML Systems, does anyone know
if the A600HD has arrived yet, what HD capacity it has (the Brit A600HD's have
20M HD's, but the US ones have 40M HD's), who stocks it and what it costs?

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Learning C on the Amiga
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 11:26:44 GMT

In article <8ep_kyi00VpA4IMUYd@andrew.cmu.edu> Edward J Allard <ea0s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> To add a bit of a different flavor to this thread.. Is it really worth
> spending the money on a compiler for the Amiga if all you have to work
> with is floppies?  I have an A1000 w/3 floppies, 2Meg fastram, but I
> don't have a hard drive, and I'm wondering about compile time off of
> flopy drives.  Does anyone run on this kind of set up?

Well, I was doing development on a 512K A1000 with 2 floppy drives for
quite a while with few problems. Of course, compilers are bigger now, but with
2M you should be able to deal with it.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Segodnja volka obnimal?"
  'U`  
Dette kan umulig vaere mitt rom, eftersom jeg ikke puster ammoniakk.
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 17:46:38 -0400 
From: Edward J Allard <ea0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Learning C on the Amiga
	<54429@dime.cs.umass.edu>

To add a bit of a different flavor to this thread.. Is it really worth
spending the money on a compiler for the Amiga if all you have to work
with is floppies?  I have an A1000 w/3 floppies, 2Meg fastram, but I
don't have a hard drive, and I'm wondering about compile time off of
flopy drives.  Does anyone run on this kind of set up? I've been doing c
on Unix for a while, but I've got some really Amiga specific things that
I'd like to work on.  Will I just spend all my time waiting for my
'hello world' to compile?

Thanx.



ed


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From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re:  Learning C on the Amiga
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:15:17 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Oct6.032748.5243@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>I haven't read that book, but the one I have found to be the most helpful in
>learning C is "A Book on C" by Kelly and Pohl.  The book covers close to the
>same topics as the Kernighan and Ritchie book, but in more detail and more
>examples.  I feel that it is fairly compact and well written.

	When I was teaching programming at The Johns Hopkins University in
1991, I did a comprehensive survey of all the C textbooks on the market.
In the end, we used both "A Book on C" and Kernighan & Ritchie's "The C
Programming Language."  (I have a different recommendation nowadays -- see
below.)

	"A Book on C" is a friendly book and very accessible to beginning
programmers, and this is why I used it.  However, it has serious weaknesses
so I would never recommend that you use this book ALONE.  For instance, it
has a terrible explanation of type casting which omits many details that a
C programmer must know.  Also, its handling of bit operations is weak.
That's why I had everyone use 2 books.

	Nowadays, I would recommend the combination of "A Book on C"
and Harbison & Steele's "C: A Reference Manual".  I prefer H&S to
K&R because H&S covers *everything* in detail.  I would never use
H&S as the primary textbook for beginners, but together with "A Book on C"
it would be fine.

                                                        Dan

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From: angst+@CMU.EDU (Jon C. Slenk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: 3000 vs. 4000?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:14:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kepUFSO00WDN4wFw4g
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Okay, I am still somewhat lost. I have heard that the 4000 is the first
machine of Commodore's new Amiga design, and that future Amigas will be of
similar designs to the A4000. I have also heard that the 4000 kinda sucks
in comparison to the 3000 (and presumably if that is true then especially
in comparison to the 3000T).

What I would like to know is - if I am considering getting a new machine,
do you think I should go for the 3000T since it is pretty kul, or do you
think I should go for a 4000 in the hopes that it will be more secure than
the 3000 line (ie: it isn't already considered obsolete by CBM)?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated...

-Jon.

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Jon Slenk           angst+@cmu.edu     EVERYTHING is
Carnegie Mellon     Pittsburgh PA      Disclaimed
From: ssurpeat@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T Peat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Information needed
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:23:05 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

ra2cs252@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Ho Ling Cherd) writes:

>Hi,

>I just got a amiga 500. What I have is the Workbench disk 1.3.2 and 
>the Extra 1.3. The monitor I have is 1084S.
>I have very little knowledge about this machine and would hope that
>someone out there can answer my questions or direct me to a source.
>1) How many screen resolution are there? How could I switch res?

  Quite a few, but don't expect me to remember them all!

>2) I have an A520 also and when do I needto use it with the monitor?

  You don't. You can use a 1084S without ever needing to use the modulator.

>3) What is the lastest possible operating system for A500?

  It is possible to install WB2 on an Amiga 1.3, although the only 500's with
WB2.04 on them are the 500+'s, which are somewhat different from 1.3 machines.

>4) What exactly is workbrench?

  Workbench is a Graphic User Interface.

>5) what is the cheap ways to upgrade the RAM and add a harddisk?

  You can install extra ram fairly cheaply using the trapdoor expansion slot
underneath the keyboard. A hardisk can be attached to the side expansion port,
and will autoboot under WB1.3

>6) can i hook up a 1.44m floppy to the system?

  Yes, but you need suitable software to use it.

>7) I tried to format a new HD disk with the internal drive but it
>   tell me disk write error? Why?

  The internal drive is not a HD drive.

>8) I would like to know about some good softwares/pd

  Good software for doing what? If you want some idea of what's available, look
around the ftp sites.

Hope that helps.

Richard Peat.
ssurpeat@uk.ac.rdg.susssys1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: amiga@uhunix2.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (ftp Amiga Manager)
Subject: Re: FAQ - Amiga FTP sites  (Warning: LONG!)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:24:39 GMT

In article <10667547.252.718417265@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>
>Host uhunix2.uhcc.hawaii.edu
>
>    Location: /mirrors/gnu/MicrosPorts
>           FILE -rw-r--r--       2585  May 27 1991  Amiga

I don't know how archie determines its matches, but if you are looking for
amiga stuff at uhunix2 (also known as ftp.hawaii.edu) you would do better
to look in /ftp/pub/amiga.  We archive the fish disks and some of the
stuff that used to come through the binaries newsgroup.  Those groups haven't
been active for a long time now, so that stuff is a little dated.

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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: How should I organize a hard drive?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:41:50 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Oct15.154039.19608@sophia.smith.edu> jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.045910.22574@leland.Stanford.EDU> dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker) writes:
>I would say to have at least 2 partitions.  One for the system
>software and your basically stable applications and one for your
>personal work files. 

	That is good advice.  I use 4 partitions modeled somewhat after
the UNIX philosophy:

	SYS:	6MB	Commodore's supplied system software
	USR:	100MB	Programs and their necessary support files.
	HOME:	80MB	My files
	TMP:	10MB	Temporary workspace for downloaded files,
			quick hacks, etc.  Lots of turnover (created
			and deleted files).

>There is also something to be said for keeping the original setup
>of the system directories intact and having your own
>customizations separate.
>Then I have a subdirectory called "local" and contains a
>duplicate of the standard directories, but not the files; things
>like c, devs, libs, s, utilities, fonts, etc.  This directory is
>assigned as LOCAL:.  Anything that *I* add to the system goes
>into the LOCAL: directories, not the SYS: directories.  

	I do this also, using WShell 2.0's "PathHandler" which is 
similar to, but more powerful than, the Assign method John described.
It is SO helpful to have your local stuff separate from the OS stuff.

>Assign >NIL: LIBS:     LOCAL:Libs          SYS:Libs
>This way, if I want to add something, I can say something like 
>  copy whizbang.library LIBS: 
>and it goes into the LOCAL:libs director, and does not clutter
>the SYS:libs directory.

	What a simple and wonderful idea, putting the "local" directory
first!  I am shocked it never occurred to me.  I have the system
directory first, and I keep having to move things around when a program
creates a file (like "S:foobar.init").

>Also, invest in a good backup program and a pile of floppy disks.

	Or invest in a tape drive or other backup device.  Mine was worth
every penny of the $350 I spent on it.

                                                        Dan

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From: creutz@cco.caltech.edu (Michael John Creutz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.04 QUESTIONS
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:56:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Summary: use colors


Thanks to those who pointed out that the program "colors" in
the tools directory takes over the job of the old palette program
for adjusting the colors of the frontmost screen.

Is there an updated version of "cb" around that works
with 2.04?  Rollback seems to work fine, but I miss the
scroll bar.

Mike
From: ssurpeat@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T Peat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Where is Amiga-faq
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:20:17 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:

>A friend of mine just bought an Amiga 3000 and I would like to get copies
>of the various Amiga faq's that are out there.  Would someone please let
>me know if these are available by ftp somewhere?

>Since I can't find the faq's, I wonder if someone would answer the
>following
>question.  Can the Amiga read/write MS-DOS diskettes?  What
>software/hardware
>utility does one need.

>Thanks.

>Marcelino Bernardo
>bernardo@erevax.bitnet
>Usual disclaimer applies.


With regards to the MS-DOS question, I refer to my previous answer.

Richard Peat
ssurpeat@uk.ac.rdg.susssys1
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From: nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us (Ralph Barbagallo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Connecting High Density IBM floppies to the Amiga 500
Keywords: hey
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:17:54 GMT
Organization: Genesis Public Access Minix  +1 508 664 0149


 
Hey!  I need to hook an IBM 3.5in 1.44 drive to my Amiga 500 to download to
and to write stuff to.  Is this possible with Cross DOS 5?  I have a 1 meg
500 with 2 drives... 

if ya could, respond via E-mail... and tell me what hardware/software I'd need
to do it..


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From: dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker)
Subject: Re: How should I organize a hard drive?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:23:40 GMT

     Thanks to everyone who responded to my post asking the best way
to organize a hard drive.  Hopefully, your good suggestions will allow
me to "get it right the first time."
     USENET really is a terrific resource.

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From: dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker)
Subject: How should I organize a hard drive?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 04:59:10 GMT

     I've just acquired a 120MB hard drive, after having none at all.  
I'd appreciate some advice on the best way to configure the drive, and
the best way to organize it.  I'm leaning toward only one partition, and
subdividing within that.  Obviously, I don't want a lot of clutter at the
root level, but nor do I want a needlessly long hierarchy of drawers.
Can anyone pass on any simple tips, or a plan that's worked well for you?

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From: Edward_Swatschek@mindlink.bc.ca (Edward Swatschek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: A600 questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:35:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> F Nunez writes:
>
> However, once the initial enthusiasm wore off, a few questions [about the
> 600] reared their ugly heads:
>
> 1) Upgradeability: On say an A500 if the latest 256 zillion colour 32
> channel
>    quadraphonic stereo chipset comes out, or if the latest WB V17 with the
>    ultimate user-servile (beyond friendly) user interface hits the streets,
>    one only has to pay up, go home, open the machine, pull out a few chips
>    out of their sockets and stuff the new ones in (observing the right
>    orientation). The A600 is, as far as I know, totally surface-mount.
>
> ...
>
> The A600 is a very nice machine, but these things I've just mentioned
> really
> bug me. Is there anyone out there going to tell me I have nothing to worry
> about, or have CBM really screwed up this time? (in that case, does anyone
> have
> the A500+ specs lying around? I hear it has the same chipset and version of
> DOS
> as the A600)


   If the latest 256 zillion colour 32 channel etc. chip set comes out, it
will be darn near impossible to fit the 500 with it. The 500 wont have the
bus for it, and there is only so much room in the case for it (and the
accelerator+ram you'll need). If you really wan't the new chip-set and do not
feel comfortable (or are unable to - I hope I am :) going into debt to get a
4000, your best bet is to wait and see what the new lower end machines
Commodore is going to be comming out with.


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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Clueless Newbie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Help me with shareware
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:40:12 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


	I just tried out a shareware program and I didn't like it, so I
don't want to pay the shareware fee.  Therefore, according to the
documentation, I have to delete the program.  That is fine with me.

	Unfortunately, the program is on a CDROM.  I am confused.

                                                        Clueless

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From: steve@thorin.geosys.co.uk (Steve Hawtin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Learning C on the Amiga
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:29:35 GMT
Reply-To: steve@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

In article <8ep_kyi00VpA4IMUYd@andrew.cmu.edu> Edward J Allard <ea0s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> To add a bit of a different flavor to this thread.. Is it really worth
> spending the money on a compiler for the Amiga if all you have to work
> with is floppies?  I have an A1000 w/3 floppies, 2Meg fastram, but I
> don't have a hard drive, and I'm wondering about compile time off of
> flopy drives.  Does anyone run on this kind of set up?

I developed a complete C compiler (NorthC) on an A500 with 2
floppies and 1Meg of RAM.  When compiling the libraries (60 or
so files) I had to go off and do something else, but the system
was OK for developing the compiler itself.  My main problem was
the time taken to boot from floppies when a problem with the
compiler caused a GURU. 

Steve Hawtin			EMAIL    : steve@geosys.co.uk
Oilfield Systems Ltd.,		BANGNET  : ...!uunet!mcsun!uknet!geosys!steve
Worthy Park House,		PHONE    : +44 962 882448
Abbots Worthy, Winchester,	FAX      : +44 962 885085
Hants. SO21 1AN, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.04 QUESTIONS
From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:17:14 +1300
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9

In article <1at0skINN4mk@gap.caltech.edu>,
	creutz@cco.caltech.edu (Michael John Creutz) writes:
>I just noticed that the palette program with 2.04 seems to only
>open on the WB screen, unlike the 1.3 version which opened on
>the frontmost screen.	Is there a way around this other than
>digging out the old program?  Why was this nice feature removed?
>Mike

There's a reason why Colors is still in the tools directory, on the extras
disk from memory, it opens on any screen as you are aware of..


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From: cm182s182@pdrome.UUCP (Clayton Miner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites?  Read this!
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:51:57 GMT
Organization: The PowerDrome BBS [(716)825-3614 Excelsior]
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.960

Dan,
 
   I am admitting to a total stranger that I am a pirate...
 
        ...or will be during a local SCA event this December...
 
:)
 
Skeksis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games
From: ah@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (Andreas Haleger)
Subject: Bards Tale II: Can't solve snare in Destiny Stone
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:28:36 GMT


Hello World again,
I know BDII is a very old game, but maybe there are some people out there  
who can remember or even look into their papers.
Here my problem:
I enter the snare.
There are two messages on the wall:
- Only he of which we sing can in good faith make use the ring.
- When danger oft a variable can split an old path.
Then I come to a magic mouth which asks:
Of old portent the song will read; name the hands which did the deed.
The correct answer is STORM FISTS, but you get this information later, so  
I enter something wrong.
I am teleported to a room with darkness fields. There is another magic  
mouth which tells a long story and mentions GALE and STORM FISTS.
It then says: His name is all I truly ask. The correct answer is ZEN  
MASTER (I don't know where you get this name from, I know it because I  
browsed through the hex listing).
Your reward is a Zen Master in your party.
I go now to next magic mouth (ten fields east, 2 fields up), say GALE and  
receive "The Ring" which I give to the Zen Master.
Then I return to the point where I entered the snare, go through the door  
three fields up and one field west and come to a message that says:
He's buts a corpse without a past until you call his name...ARKAST !
Now I answer STORM FISTS to the first magic mouth and from now on nothing  
happens any more. There is no way out.
What I should mention: Around the snare (i.e. to the north, west and east)  
there are a lot of white fields I can't explore.
Please help me, it was such a long way to the Destiny Stone.
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