HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: omnibus post
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:43:28 GMT

I think I have come upon a new bowling alley truism...

	Don't eat the nachos!

Since Monday night, my body feels like it has been doing rehearsals for
the cafeteria scene in "Alien".

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FAQ Fodder
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Black Angle - my first fingertip ball...its been redrilled 4 times so I
don't know whether its eccentricity is the fault of drilling or
manufacture.  I got it used and cheap and it has been a reasonable ball
even if it is prone to roll over the thumb hole...*CLUMP* *CLUMP*
*CLUMP*.....

Black SUMO - Nice ball...drilled fingertip with the pin about 2
o'clock.  It takes a little getting used to after the Black
Angle...Hits much harder, with better carry than the Angle.  It is very
good at Brooklyn strikes.  I recommend keeping the ball polished at all
times.  It doesn't take much away from the hitting power, but does make
it very much more predictable under dry and inconsistent lane
conditions.  Even polished the ball still performs well on oily lanes,
although it is a real treat when unpolished on oily lanes.

Potential FAQ Question:
	What are the pros and cons of using a wrist brace?

I know that after a discussion in this group several months back I
decided to wean myself of my brace and have not ever regretted it.  The
brace made a big difference when I was first learning fingertip, but
now I find that I bowl better without it.

For Discussion:
	What are the pros and cons of gloves?  Who needs one?  Who
	doesn't?

	What are the pros and cons of folding your little finger under
	the ball for fingertip bowlers?  How many of you do this?

	Remedies for a sore hand or thumb?

This last question is very important to me right now...Sometime about 4
or 5 weeks ago I strained my hand somehow...It seems to get better for
a while and then it will flare up (and I mean flare!) while bowling.

Dr. Aki...you seem to have had some experience at bowling while
injured.  Do you have any advice?

Any serious advice will be considered...Giving up bowling for a few
weeks is NOT serious advice ;-)

---
Paul (Cliffy) Palmer
New Technology, Inc.
700 Boulevard South, Suite 401
Huntsville, Alabama 35802
 
Internet:	palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov.
Telephone:	(205) 461-4569
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:09:41 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Dave fleck?
 <1992Dec15.185142.2173@worldbank.org>

In article <1992Dec15.185142.2173@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> says:
>
>Jeff...insist on the original...don't take any of them cheap foreign
>imitations Bob may try and hand off to you!  ;-)

We know who has the *real* originals, now don't we?  Hehehe...

The jist of it all was that there were some very nerve wracking
complications, but everything turned out ok for mamma, baby, and dad!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Subject: Fame or shame, where do you break even?
Reply-To: fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:59:13 GMT

Hi,
   I just started to follow this .sig an couldn't help my $0.02
on shattered fame, instant shame.  A couple of weeks ago, I had a 
game which looked like it might be a personal best -- until the
5th frame.  Here's what I bowled:

                  X 9/ X X -/ X X X X 7/9

Amazing how an ill-timed gutter ball will come back to haunt you...

The only saving grace was the score tied me for the pot ($$$) and on
that night, 5 of my 7 games were over 200.  BTW: I'm a sanctioned 168
bowler, although lately I've been averaging 184.

Carl Fogelin
(fogelinc@cyanamid.com)


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Unusual Spare Combinations
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:57:46 GMT
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.034405.22735@alf.cooper.edu> Jeff Hakner,
hak@alf.cooper.edu writes:


>The craziest spare I've ever heard of was left at Bowlmor Lanes, NYC:
>The 7-8-9-10.  Question: where did the ball go?!


it was one of those new fangled "skinny" balls...you know the one..
it's the one that squeaks between the 6-10 pins....;-)



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Survey on Bowling Prices
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:17:55 PST


I am trying to get an idea of what the cost for a game of bowling is in
different parts of the country (or world).

Please tell me where your center is (city, state, counntry) and how
much it costs for a game.  Please include normal rates only (no specials),
but please list split rates (i.e. day, night, weekend, junior/senior rates).
I will post the results.

Thank you.

ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu
From: andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Unusual Spare Combinations
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:06:22 -0500
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: maggie.cs.widener.edu

In article <117@ddn-wms.nmi.com> wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker) writes:
 >In article <carl.723769532@wrs.com>, carl@wrs.com (Carl Chesbrough) writes:
 >> How about this:
 >> 
 >> 1-2-4-5-6-7-8-10
 >> 
 >> Only the 3-9 down!  

About this point, I start wondering if I'd slept through too many
physics classes, but...

                        Then my second shot went the same place without
>> hitting another pin.  Of course it was duck pins.  I was on my way

Geez...  after bowling ducks most of my life, you have no idea how
damn common this leave is...  and dropping down the hole the next 2
balls...  my family is famous for that... ( :} )

 >
 >i used to bowl duck pins with a former girlfriend for laughs.  i averaged
 >117 my only official season, but had *lots* of fun.  i became known for
  ^^^  
Not too bad...  

 >leaving the 2-3-4-6-7-8-9-10 (taking out the 1-5), and then putting *both*
 >follow-up balls through the same hole (did it 3 times in one season).

When you hit 3 times in one game...  did nothing for my average _that_
week... :)

 >
 >[ for those unfamiliar with ducks, it is played with three shots, strike
 >	ball, spare ball, and fill ball in each frame.  scores much like
 >	tenpins, but you can score 10 for a frame without having a spare ]
 >
 >8-)

OBFact:  No one has ever bowled a perfect duckpin game.  Closest was
269 by someone whose name esxcapes me.  Actually bowled in the same
house as him (well, about 10 years afterwards, but... :)e
-- 
|R. Andracsek  |  e-mail: andra@cs.widener.edu  |  Voice: kinda deep...  
|  Coach:"Do you think losing is funny?!?"
|  Player:"Not at first, but once you get the hang of it..."
|                 ---The Mighty Ducks
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: new balls...details unknown..
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.140037.28357@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.203419.8935@pdn.paradyne.com> Vince Ciletti,
>vince@paradyne.com writes:
>>It's about time the manufacturers start sending us *real* details, like
>the 
>>type of weight block, suggested layouts, expected ball reactions
>(comparative,
>>of course :-)  ), etc.  Right now, you almost have to wait for the next 
>>regional to get any *real* details about the ball.  
>>
>>So, should I write the letter to home office, or you?  :-)
>
>
>
>Damn Vince, THAT'S what I forgot at home!  You wouldn't have the letter
>at work with you would you?  If so, could you e-mail me the details
>(including the "golf" ball) so that I can post it to the net?
>
>If you don't have it, I'll try and remember to post it tomorrow.
>
>I agree on the RhinoPro's...the reaction is very similiar to a regular
>urethane shell.
>
>As far as the limited info they send out on the new balls, I agree.  The
>only way I've been able to find out any real info about the ball is
>by calling the manufacturer directly and getting the scoop from them.
>I've yet had any of them unwilling to discuss (sometimes in GREAT detail)
>what their new ball has to offer.  I've got a feeling that this
>information
>is probably being provided to the PBA but the newsletters are being
>cut down to save on space.
>
>I've already sent a couple of letters to Akron on other subjects.  Tell
>you
>what we can do, how about if we call them? You call them and complain,
>then, I'll call them and complain.  Maybe if they get more than one
>complaint, they'll do something about it.
>
>
>-Aki
>The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
>E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
>(202)458-1112
>DoD 0628
>PBA 2294
>*************************************
>"How come the best bowling ball for
>me is always the one I don't own?"
>*************************************


Sorry, my letter is at home too.  However, I looked at it again last night 
and I do recall that the missing color you were looking for on the Rhino
Pro was *BLUE*.  The letter didn't mention whether either the new Blue or
Teal Rhino Pros were reactive resin or not (since, as you know the
purple is but the black is not.)  Both balls are 76-79 on the durometer
(big deal, what else is new) and are available in 15 and 16 lb (only).
I believe the price was $88/ball.

The "golf ball" was the Wilson Staff, which also had meaningless
information about being urethane and ~76-79 on the durometer.

I have a regional doubles tournament in Daytona this weekend.  I'll talk
to the guys and see if they may know anything else.  

Vince

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: A Perfect Game, Not So Perfect Ending ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:23:08 GMT


When I saw this in today's paper, I had to post for the benefit of the
group.


SOURCE: The Washington Post, 17 December 1992 (Sports Section)


	Bob Bittner bowled for 31 years before rolling his first perfect
	game.  Within minutes, he suffered a heart attack and died.

	Bittner, 40, rolled his three final strikes, among 12 he had on
	the night, and was mobbed at Fairlanes Skore in Taylor, Mich.

	Within 15 minutes, the color drained from Bittner's face.
	Someone gave him a chair and he sat down, but then slumped
	forward.

	Gary Coleman, a paramedic who also bowls in the league,
	administered cardiopulmonary resuscitation until an ambulance
	arrived, but Bittner died minutes later at a hospital.


Bob

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From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Unusual Spare Combinations
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:53:07 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <carl.723769532@wrs.com>, carl@wrs.com (Carl Chesbrough) writes:
> How about this:
> 
> 1-2-4-5-6-7-8-10
> 
> Only the 3-9 down!  Then my second shot went the same place without
> hitting another pin.  Of course it was duck pins.  I was on my way

> -carl.

i used to bowl duck pins with a former girlfriend for laughs.  i averaged
117 my only official season, but had *lots* of fun.  i became known for
leaving the 2-3-4-6-7-8-9-10 (taking out the 1-5), and then putting *both*
follow-up balls through the same hole (did it 3 times in one season).

[ for those unfamiliar with ducks, it is played with three shots, strike
	ball, spare ball, and fill ball in each frame.  scores much like
	tenpins, but you can score 10 for a frame without having a spare ]

8-)

bill.
-- 

Bill Walker  -  Network Analyst  -  Network Management Inc.
bill@nmi.com                        11242 Waples Mill Rd
wrwalke@ddn-wms.ddn.mil             Fairfax, VA  22030
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:29:06 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: I *LOVE* this game!

Who was that Mark Miller masquerading as me posting to a.s.b last week
yammering some nonsense about preferring Maserati's over bowling?  I (the
*REAL* Mark Miller) would have never said such a thing.  You all know
that, right?  After all, just yesterday, in the final no-tap for this
year (read: extra big prizes) I got $500 for winning the tournament.
Maserati my butt!  $500 will keep gas in the Z28 for, well, at least a
little while.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Turbo X Prices
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:03:09 GMT

>In article <1992Dec10.194212.11982@europa.asd.contel.com>, daved@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Dave Drab) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec9.194924.3394@pixel.kodak.com> bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson) writes:
>
>> >Has anyone noticed that the TurboX is 20-30 dollars cheaper that other
>> >reactive resin balls? 
>> >
>> 
>> The TurboX retails in this area for anywhere between $149 and $179.

Hmmm...I heard that the new Ebonite Crush and Crush-R are supposed 
to be the new high-end balls, replacing the Nitro line.  I'd guess 
that these might be in that price range.
From: ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Survey on Bowling Prices
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:32:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


 
>I am trying to get an idea of what the cost for a game of bowling is in 
>different parts of the country (or world). 
 
>Please tell me where your center is (city, state, counntry) and how 
>much it costs for a game.  Please include normal rates only (no specials), 
>but please list split rates (i.e. day, night, weekend, junior/senior rates). 
>I will post the results. 
 
 
I bowl in and around Cleveland and Akron.  I will break up the rates I come
across in different areas.
 
	1) League Bowling - most run $10-15, but the high priced, big bucks
	   masters league runs $27/week.  But you get around $3000 back at the
 	   end of the year.
 
	2) Open Bowling - Cost $1.25 - $2.25/game.  Many housing also have
	   rent-a-lane at 9pm-midnight Frid and/or Sat for $6.00.
 
	3) Summer Bowling - I'm fortunate enough to live about 20 minutes
	   from Riviera Lanes (Home of the Firestone). During the summer they
	   have open bowling for $0.99/game.  Gues where I practice during the
	   summer?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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ak331@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: whoknows@somewhere.outthere (Nuno Bettencourt)
Subject: Re: Love to bowl. What is duck bowling?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:57:41 GMT

In article <120@ddn-wms.nmi.com>, wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
writes:
> In article <92344.134413MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>, MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller)
writes:
> > In article <1992Dec9.103855.12575@syma.sussex.ac.uk>,
mmuk9@syma.sussex.ac.uk
> > (Jose Lewis) says:
> > >
> > >What is duck bowling? I don't think it exists here in the U.K. 
> >"let's go bowl some ducks."  I've never actually bowled duck pins myself,
but
> > as I understand it the balls are smaller and don't have finger holes (this

	I've heard of mallards, wood ducks and the like, but I've never heard
of 'duckpins'. Is that a relative of the pin-tailed duck?
	I don't get it. Isn't that awfully painful to the ducks? Heck, it must
even KILL them. I don't remember if it was stated before, but if you were
bowling ducks, wouldn't you need to use an awful light ball in order to not
kill them? But if you used an awful light ball,
	I'd assume that if you were going to play this sport then you would
have to breed a helluva lot of ducks. I imagine just one frame would cost the
lives of at least 10 ducks!
    
> the duckpin balls are about 6" in diameter 

	Oh, I see. If the duckpin's balls are that big, I'm sure that you
could always fall back on artificial insemination or the like. I'm sure
two duckpin balls of those proportions would probably result in at least
a quart of usable product.

> there is one company who made (and still makes) duckpin setters.  lots of
> bicycle chains and sprocket-type assemblies, looks much like a demonic
> antique industrial strength chicken flogger.  8-)  lots of mechanics missing
> parts of or entire fingers.

	Is this really how the insemination is done? What is a chicken flogger?
Is that some type of device used to impregnate the female duckpins? It sounds
very painful, and I'm definitely glad I'm human!
	*sigh* So many questions... sorry to bother anyone.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Dave fleck?
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:49:14 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:51:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.182459.7757@europa.asd.contel.com> Bob Ashley,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>
>He sent out mail to everyone on the FBL mailing list ... I noticed that
>your address was included.
>
>If you missed it, contact me directly and I will forward you a copy.
>                                                                        
                        ^^^^^^^
>
>Bob
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------


Jeff...insist on the original...don't take any of them cheap foreign
imitations Bob may try and hand off to you!  ;-)


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
Organization: Technology Research Group, SAIC
From: frodo@logjam.trg.saic.com (James R. Brownell III)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:33:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.145054.13749@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <MGG.92Dec18002105@corgie.ece.cmu.edu> Martin Greenberg,
>mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu writes:
>>My second game this week was definitely not subject to the infamous
>>"second game jinx", and everyone in my league says that is that it is
>>certain Hall of Fame material, but I still don't feel right about it.
>>
>>Here's the line:
>>
>>    0/  X   X   X   X   X   X   X   X  9-
>>    20  50  80 110 140 170 200 229 248 257
>>
>>Yes, that's right. First ball in the channel. Convert the spare. 8 in
>>a row (personal best). Hit light, leave the 7, and miss it.
>
>....channel the first ball?...sounds like hall of shame to me! ;-)
>
>>PS The other two games were 178 and 205. I believe it is my first
>>   sanctioned 600 series (640). 
>
>
>...ok I take it back...not a bad series...too bad the buck 78 wasn't over
>deuce also..you might have shot a 700!...not to worry we still have
>a long season ahead of us! :-)...
>
>
>
>
>-Aki
>The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
>E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
>(202)458-1112
>DoD 0628
>PBA 2294
>*************************************
>"How come the best bowling ball for
>me is always the one I don't own?"
>*************************************

	Another entry to the hall of shame / fame. Last summer I bowled against
a guy that had the following line score:
0/ X X X X X X X X XXX 
	for a 290, yes he threw a gutter ball in the 1st and then knocked
down 12 straight racks. He was somewhat frustrated at the game, me, I would love
to bowl a 290.
-- 
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Science Application Intl. Corp. |frodo@trg.saic.com | expressed are mine alone,
10260 Campus Point Dr. MS-C6    |                   | and do not reflect those
San Diego, CA 92121             |                   | of SAIC.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Unbelievable!!
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:16:07 GMT

michael d ward (michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu) wrote:
: I just got back from practicing and I can't explain what happen, just hope it keeps happening!!  My average in the FBL is around 153, my saturday league 151, and my wednesday league 148.  This is my first week bowling with a hook and using my Prohook Extreme.  First wednesday with a hook I bowled a 208 and won all 4 games.  And tonight I just thought I'd practice after work(around 1am here) to see if I still could throw a hook.  First game was 180, second 168, and my third game was a 272!!!!!!!!!!!!!
: 
: 
: !!!!!!!!!  Unbelievable! I had 9 strikes in a row from the second game into the third. Then the third I had
: 
: X X X X X 3/ X X X XX9
: 
: Cant explain that 3/  :) guess the pressure got to me.
: Just hope I can continue this and maybe actually help our FBL team for oncE!!!!
: 
: 

No need to explain the 3/ to me.  At least you stayed on this side of
the foul light and didn't drop the next into the sea.  Congrats on a
great game!!!!  Guess we will have to watch out in the FBL for a
possible new terror.  Hope that you can get the same results in league;
that would get you the better recognition.  Of course having Aki's
blessing on the game is probably reward enough.

I really feel sorry for the animals down Aki's way though.?!

Keep up the good bowling (except when bowling team #1 in the FBL,
Loyalties must be kept).

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Has anyone heard from Dave fleck? 
Keywords: Dave fleck
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:30:38 GMT

	The subject header says it all. Has anyone heard
how Dave and his wife made out last week? Last I heard
they were going to induce. Brenda and I (mostly Brenda)
went through this with our second girl. I hope everything
went well

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