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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Harley Oil?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:20:10 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan27.083245.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>On the subject of oil, H-D claims that their oil is superior to other oils for
>Harley Davidsons (i.e. air-cooled engines?) than regular oil, because it
>doesn''t break down as quickly.
>However, there have been air-cooled motorcycles around for a long time.  Any
>that I have owned (BMWs, Ducatis, Jap Bikes) seemed to have worked just fine on
>other quality oils.
>Is this for real or just marketing hype?  With the smaller, hotter running
>water-cooled engines, I would expect that good oils (Pennzoil, Castrol, etc.) 
>might be as good, but I don't want to take the chance without getting the
>wisdom of someone who's been there...
>
>(I change oil every 2,500 miles)
>Thanks!
>Michael Menard
>doh 0000000003


I've tried Valvoline Synthetic in my '91 XLH-1200 (for about 2 days) and it
got way too thin at normal operating temps. I've tried Valvoline 20W50 
petroleum based racing oil (label says it's good for motorcycle engines) and it
seemed to work ok, but I changed it after 1000 miles because in the Texas heat,
it too seemed to get kinda thin. The HD oil really does give better performance
and last a little longer before turning to spooge so their claims aren't just
marketing hype, it really is a good oil for hot running air cooled motorcycle
engines that don't lube the wet clutch with the same oil that's in the engine.
I still think they're kinda price gouging though at nearly $4 per quart.(the
cheapest I've ever found it was $3.25/qt). There is another company that 
markets oil directed towards HD's called "Hawg Oil". They even use a similarly
printed label on the bottles so they look sorta like the real HD. I've never
tried it myself but another HD owner I know (has an old late '70's Shovelhead
pieces-parts bike) says it works pretty good, but then he runs straight 60W
in it so I have no idea how well the "Hawg Oil" brand 20w50 would run in a late
model Evo motor with much tighter clearances.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Harley Oil?
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:32:45 GMT

On the subject of oil, H-D claims that their oil is superior to other oils for
Harley Davidsons (i.e. air-cooled engines?) than regular oil, because it
doesn''t break down as quickly.

However, there have been air-cooled motorcycles around for a long time.  Any
that I have owned (BMWs, Ducatis, Jap Bikes) seemed to have worked just fine on
other quality oils.

Is this for real or just marketing hype?  With the smaller, hotter running
water-cooled engines, I would expect that good oils (Pennzoil, Castrol, etc.) 
might be as good, but I don't want to take the chance without getting the
wisdom of someone who's been there...

(I change oil every 2,500 miles)

Thanks!




Michael Menard
doh 0000000003
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:23:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <2139@admin.mport.COM> max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:

>matney@cray.com (Ken Matney) writes:

>>Eddie Kieger (efk00@cd.amdahl.com) wrote:
>>: In article <2132@admin.mport.COM>, max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
>>: >efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>>: >

>>happy with it.  If HD wanted to compete in the Japanese speedster
>>market; then, they would come out with a product.  Obviously, they
>>don't, because they do not have a product.

  Unless I am mistaken it sounds like they are getting ready to do just
that. So will these be Harley's or will they be looked down on because
they don't fit the mold? I'm surprised that I've heard no mention of
it in this group. Can jap bike riders be the only ones interested?

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous













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From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Gold Wing more American than HD?!?!?!?
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:22:25 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <82490028@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme
Harrison) writes:

|> 
|> What's the maximum cruising speed for a newer FLHS/FLHTC these days?
|> My Wing can do 80mph for hours while my old '75 FLH *Fatbob* wouldn't
|> tolerate much over 60mph for long periods of time. 

I rode my  FXRT sport glide, which is not being produced anymore
(IMO one of the biggest mistakes ever, dropping the ONE motorcycle
that would have enabled Harley to enter the European High-speed touring
market, because of catastrophic marketing), at 100 mph on german Autobahns
for hours without any ill effects.

IMO, the FXRT is and was one of the most fascinating touring bikes for people
that like curves AND long-distance comfort...


Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France

 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:17:11 GMT

In article <MRMIKE.93Jan22134534@michelotti.ae.ge.com> Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com> writes:
>
>Figuring that HD is closer in spirit to Triumph than most
>other manufacturers nowadays, so...
>
>I'm told that Triumph _will_ be selling the new models in the
>US, but my source had no documentation for the claims.  I've
>been looking casually for an old Triumph or BSA for a while
>with little luck and I'm wondering what folks know about the
>plans for new machines...  Should I keep looking for early
>bikes or will the '90s have similar character and less hassle.
>Pricing?  Any pointers to sources of info (Re: Old and New) would
>be appreciated.  I'll summarize if I get any useful info.
>                                                        - MM
>-- 
>passaretti@crd.ge.com           {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!passaret
>mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com     {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!michelotti!mrmike



The new Triumphs have nothing to do whatsoever with the old ones. They
are water-cooled 3 and 4-cylinder inlines. They look like great bikes,
if that's what you want, but if you want an air-cooled twin, you gotta
get one of the old ones. DON'T buy a Truimph twin made after 1970 -
the 'oil frames' were crap.
-- 
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
= Wade Franklin          DoD #705      '92 FXDC DynaGlide Custom   =
= wfrank@well.sf.ca.us   HOG, AMA      '66 Triumph Trophy 650      =
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Gold Wing more American than HD?!?!?!?
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:19:39 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan20.191842.11652@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
>
>Folks are probably tired of me saying this, but if you ever get a
>chance to tour the Honda motorcycle plant in Marysville, OH, by all
>means TAKE IT! My ole' riding buddy Doug Supp snuck me in once with a

Being that it's so close, I plan to go down sometime this summer, as
long as it doesn't interfere with any Harley plans.

>hear H-D does similar plant tours. Is that of both the engine plant
>and the motorcycle plant? Those are on my "jump at the chance" list too.

I took the tour of the H-D assembly plant in York, PA. last Sept.
In fact, I'll be picking up my new bike there in March and will have
the opportunity to tour it again.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: rogers_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Harley Oil?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:12:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.083245.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
> On the subject of oil, H-D claims that their oil is superior to other oils for
> Harley Davidsons (i.e. air-cooled engines?) than regular oil, because it
> doesn''t break down as quickly.
> 
> However, there have been air-cooled motorcycles around for a long time.  Any
> that I have owned (BMWs, Ducatis, Jap Bikes) seemed to have worked just fine on
> other quality oils.
> 
> Is this for real or just marketing hype?  With the smaller, hotter running
> water-cooled engines, I would expect that good oils (Pennzoil, Castrol, etc.) 
> might be as good, but I don't want to take the chance without getting the
> wisdom of someone who's been there...
> 
> (I change oil every 2,500 miles)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Menard
> doh 0000000003
> 

i HAVE A VERY GOOD friend from Georgia who is a Porsche, Audi, and VW master
mechanic. The information I get from him is that Castrol is an approved oil for
use in their air cooled engines. He prefers to use the standard oil for normal
street engines and breakin periods, but seems to prefer the new Syntec for the
engines which are raced. Seeing that he is doing a lot of race prep adn uses it
in his own cars gives me great confidence in the product. He has said that he
has seen no problems from this oil; in any of the air cooled motors he has 
built and rebuilt. Since Porsche reccomends this oil for use in there 930 turbo
engines it would seem to be OK for use in most Harleys. I do not think that
they will see as much hard use as many of the turbo's do. These are just my
opinions though.

Carl Rogers
ROGERS_C@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
83 550 Vision

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
Subject: Re: You would not catch me dead on a Harley
Reply-To: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:42:31 GMT



 Hopefully, me neither. Unless I choose to be buried with mine. I perfer
 to be alive while riding. I have seen plenty of brain-dead .edu-breaths
 riding crotch rockets. Heard a funny line in an English movie tonight,
 Big Car-little dick, sounds like that would fit for Neon Rocket-little dick.

 Sasquatch


--
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My opinions are my own, and may not be that of my employer....

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."  B. Franklin
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        m_bellor@coors.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield)
Subject: HARLEY -D shirts....
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:58:28 GMT





        hey rider's

        i got a budy that is having a birthday soon and the
        only thing i can think to get him is a HD shirt from
        another city.  One with a wolf, or Amercan Eagle,
        and with the city on the back. If anyone is willing to swap
        an XL for an XL from the Alamo City I surely will do so.
        If you want to know about the history behind the
        Alamo City (San Antonio, Tx) I will let you.  Could you
        respond here soon, his bday is rt round the corner.


                thanks
From: schleige@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schleiger)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:29:07 GMT
Subject: Magneto
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley


   Anybody put a mag on a late model 1340  engine?  I am thinking  about
putting  the  Vertex  mag on my FXSTC.  I had one on a 46 Ford V8 engine
and it really was an  excelent  ignition  system.  It would knock you on
your ass if you caught the high voltage lead!!  Any pros or cons?  Would
I be better off just putting a single fire  electronic  ignition on?  It
seems most HD drag racers are not  running  mags.  Anybody  know why?  I
know the cars running at the drags usually run mags.

Bob    Softail Custom

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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Coast to coast baby.
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:36:22 GMT

laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:

>i would be willing to do a denver/boulder check piont but i could be
>bought to easily............

Laz may have a few faults, but at least he's honest!

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:26:01 GMT

In article <C17MrL.EuI@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>Somebody wrote:
>>>happy with it.  If HD wanted to compete in the Japanese speedster
>>>market; then, they would come out with a product.  Obviously, they
>>>don't, because they do not have a product.
>
>  Unless I am mistaken it sounds like they are getting ready to do just
>that. So will these be Harley's or will they be looked down on because
>they don't fit the mold? I'm surprised that I've heard no mention of
>it in this group. Can jap bike riders be the only ones interested?

This brings up an interesting point I read in The_Harley_Davidson
_Sportster_Performance_Handbook.  It seems that in the late seventies
AMF was making steady stream of improvements to the Sportster.  The
most extensive of which was a new frame (the frame first used in the
XLCR).  This frame was both stiffer and lighter than the previous
frame, and made a big improvment in the handleing of the bike.  The
frame used straight tubes arranged to distribute loads most
effeciently and gave the Sportster a chassis to equal that of any
other standard (in the days before sportbikes no less).  What
happened?  Sales plummeted.  It seems that the typical Harley buyer
thought it looked too Japanese.  Alas.

The book credits this event and others like it with Harley's shyness
when it comes to changing or updating their products.

--
- )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  DoD #400
From: sljt6@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Help me find an 883 - Please...
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:02:24 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I am hoping someone out there can help me...

I finally got enough money together to buy
my dream bike (at least for now).  I have been wanting
an 883 for at least 5 years.  Now I finally have the money,
I can't find the bike.  I am looking for a new 883
base model in black.  I guess I would take another color if it
was all I could find, though.  I would be willing to go to 
Arizona, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington,
or anyplace similarly close to Utah to pick it up.
I prefer not to have a CA model.  I know some dealers out
there _must_ have ordered extra ones to put on the showroom.

I would really appreciate any help you can give.

Dave

sljt6@cc.usu.edu
davester@cc.usu.edu
From: ka5@prism.gatech.EDU (ABEREGG,KEITH R)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Fat Bob tanks
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:38:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


1971 - 1972   FX SuperGlides, kickstart, only came with true split
              tank 3.5 gallon Fat Bobs.

Starting in 1973, the peanut tank was the stock tank for all
SuperGlides until the introduction of the LowRider (FXS) in 1977.
The LowRider and the later the FXEF Fat Bob SuperGlide (introduced
in 1979) both sported true split tank 3.5 gallon Fat Bobs which were
different in couple of ways from those used on the 1971 - 1972
SuperGlides.

Keith A.-- 
ABEREGG,KEITH R
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ka5
Internet: ka5@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:10:11 GMT

In article <david.5@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU>, david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin) writes:
|> fhfghfgyhtrhbngh
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if this is the new name for the new harley sport bike they are going 
to sell alot of them......it sure beats any japanese name, all that
it needs is a couple more 'r's and random #'s........

laz
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: I am convinced " I am not worthy" Sorry Harley Guys!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:31:49 GMT

lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> (David F. Wright) writes:

>David> My GSXR 1100 will (beat your Harley in a race)

>David,

>	You're on.  Boston to LA and back.  Pick a start time.

My money's on Jerry, when's the event?

Heck, this could even be made into a charity fundraiser to rival the
raffle of Jody's bra over in rec.moto.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Question on seating rings...
Keywords: Break-in period
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:04:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C1GwLt.8En@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes:
>
>I would suggest that you run the oil more than 500 miles.  My experience
>has been that if you don't run the regular oil long enough before putting
>the mobil 1 in, you will have a higher oil consumpsion.  My thought is
>that the rings wont seat as well with mobil 1, and the oil with go by.
>If you use the regular longer, the rings will seat much better.
>
>Mark Blunier

I always wondered if it would be wrong to change the oil more often during
breakin - say at 250 miles and at 500 miles.  It seems that some friction
is good during breakin.  Would changing the oil more frequently during
breakin be the wrong thing do to?

Also my brother was told by 2 different Harley shops not to use synthetic
oil in his '92 FXRS.  They said that the bearings in cars and bikes are
different and the bearings in the bikes will wear funny with synthetic.

Any thoughts?

George
ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
From: f005@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Help with 53-57 Teleglide
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:29:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

A friend of mine is looking for main bearings for a 1953-1957 Harley Davidson
165 Teleglide.   E-mail to F005@lehigh.edu with any information.

                                                    Scott Ohmacht
From: chrish@NAD.3Com.COM (Christopher Hee)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I ... Can't ... Help Myself ...
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: chrish@NAD.3Com.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: 3Com Corp

In article 7629@PacBell.COM, malodah@srv.PacBell.COM (Martin Lodahl) writes:
>In article <1993Jan28.130140.7689@elektro.cmhnet.org> charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>>>	      doh #0000001200
>>Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
>>  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
>>                BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
>
>(By the way, is there any truth to the rumor that the "LT" part of the
>K1100 designation stands for "Light Truck"?)
>
>>ObMoto:   doh now has 21 claimed members, not counting Carl's multiple
>>          claiming.  Worldwide!
>
>All right, I've sat it out as long as I can.  Sign me up as doh #0000000065.
>My DoD number is 0065, and that's about my usual riding/driving speed.
>
>Gosh, it's tough being a citizen of Cyberspace ...
>
>
>
>-- 
>= Martin Lodahl		Systems Analyst, Capacity Planning, Pacific*Bell =
>= malodah@pbbcdm.pacbell.com	  Sacramento, CA USA        916.972.4821 =
>=    If it's good for ancient Druids runnin' nekkid through the wuids,   =
>=  Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!  (Unk.)   =



Me either; please sign me up for 0000000080 as in 80 C.I.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:39:49 GMT

In article <MRMIKE.93Jan22134534@michelotti.ae.ge.com> Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com> writes:
>
>Figuring that HD is closer in spirit to Triumph than most
>other manufacturers nowadays, so...
>
>I'm told that Triumph _will_ be selling the new models in the
>US, but my source had no documentation for the claims.

Possibly next year.

  I've
>been looking casually for an old Triumph or BSA for a while
>with little luck and I'm wondering what folks know about the
>plans for new machines...  Should I keep looking for early
>bikes or will the '90s have similar character and less hassle.

Altogether different bikes. No relation but the name and country of origin.
3 and 4 cylinder water cooled. Good reviews from the press so far, but 
probably more similar to a 900SS Ducati than to an old Triumph.

>Pricing?  Any pointers to sources of info (Re: Old and New) would
>be appreciated.  I'll summarize if I get any useful info.
>                                                        - MM

Big bucks. Expect at least $10,000.

Jeff Achenbach


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: wkmpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (W. Keith McManus)
Subject: Bike Week
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:25:55 GMT

My second post about Bike Week 93 in Daytona.

Thanks to all the folks that replied to the first message.

I'm going to be in Daytona again this year, working on a documentary video
project again.

Looking to interview people that have been going to Bike Week for several
years. I started in 1981. Would like to talk with people about the changes
to Bike Week, if any, that they have experienced.

Thanks

W. Keith McManus
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Rochester Institute of Technology
Applied Photography Department - Photojournalism
Rochester, New York

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