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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: TSOL Reunion CD/Social Distortion
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:04:49 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

Excuse me ignorance, but I'm pretty freakin' jubilant about the lunchtime
trip I just made to the Wherehouse (Mt. View, CA)...they were having a sale.

Anyway, I was going through "T" when I ran across the TSOL section and guess
what?  I didn't know this ever came out, but there's a Triple X CD Release
entitle "Jack Grisham/Mike Roche/Ron Emory/Todd Barnes Live 1991".  And on
it, oh well, I just about had a boner in the store:

       Silent Scream - World War III - Abolish Government/
       Silent Majority - Triangle - Wash Away - Funeral March - 
       Superficial Love - Thoughts of Yesterday - I'm Tired -
       Love Story - Man and Machine - Property is Theft - Dance
       With Me - Code Blue
       (Recorded live at Raji's in Hollywood, CA)
       !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superficial Love live?  F'yeah.  Code Blue?  Oh Boy.  Man and Machine?
Wow, I still listen to the single.  Abolish/Silent?  I can't wait to go
pop this on...  No "Flowers by the Door"?  Better still...   ;-)

I have no clue how my friends or I missed this release...was it just piss-
poor promotion, or what?

On the subject of Triple X records, does anyone know where to get a 
copy of the Triple X CD version of "Mommy's Little Monster" by Social
Distortion (I don't care if it's the one with "Playpen", "Under My Thumb"
and "1945", but it would be cool)?  I know it's out of print, but some
stores still have it--just none in the Bay Area that I know of.  If one
of you has an extra, I'm interested in buying it; or if you know of a 
record store, please email me the phone #.      

Well, back to work until I can go play this crap at home...

"Superficial love....only for a fuck..."

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett)
Subject: Re: Kit Watkins questions  
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:08:52 GMT

In article <malcolm.726424368@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>I'm interested in hearing more about ANY of Kit's solo work, especially 
>those with Coco, and how it compares to the Happy The Man material.

	I have his solo disc AZURE (1989? 90?), and it's pretty good.  It's
a bit new-agey but with some substance.  Some of the synth timbres,
particularly the massive, low pad at the end of the first track, are very
effective.  I don't listen to it too much these days; and when I do, it's
mostly background music.

	Happy The Man is one band that I keep trying to like but never
quite get there.  I have RETROSPECTIVE, and while the music is somewhat
complex, it doesn't keep my interest like (say) Gentle Giant or The Dregs.
First, it has a "lighter" sound (studio-production-wise) that somehow doesn't
appeal to me.  Second, it sounds to me like these guys are trying to be
complex rather than playing cohesive and enjoyable music.  Just IMHO.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: hhillman@TrentU.CA (teapot)
Subject: Asia on tour
Reply-To: hhillman@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:38:02 GMT

I'm quite new to this group and so apologize if I'm asking for old 
information.
  Whilest reading the heated discussions as to whether or not Asia belongs 
in this group I gather that some people have already seen them play live on 
the current tour. If so could someone please post or e-mail me a set list 
and a mini-review.
I feel that we should not judge the new band by it's looks or by the album. 
Instead we should measure them by the only barometer that matters. I am of 
course referring to how they sound, & play LIVE. No matter how over produced 
the album is, or isn't the proof my friends is in the pudding on stage.
It is live that one has a true feeling for a band. Some have complained 
that the album is not as good as the others, well maybe. But if they stayed 
the same then we would all be criticizing them for re-hashing all they've 
done in the past. As well as for not going on, forward, or progressing?
Sure, Aqua has it's low points but it also has some great ones. Let's just 
hope these points are the ones that are used on stage.
That is my philosophy mixed with a touch of sarcasm.


These are my own opinions and in no way reflect the official position taken 
by this university, city or country.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Subject: HOT PENDRAGON NEWS
Originator: pvs9@hektor.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de
Keywords: New Album, limited edition, gold, picture CD
Reply-To: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:32:42 GMT

These hot news I received from a friend via snail-mail yesterday.  He has
direct contact to the band and received them on Monday.

On February 1, _The World_ will be awarded gold.  For this reason _The World_
comes at a limited edition (1000 copies) picture CD (order ID : Pend 5 CDP).
In March, a limited edition live CD will be released.  It's recorded at Lille,
France.  Nick Barett : 'The CD wil include a fandabulous version of _Queen of
Hearts_.'
The new album (CD) will be titled _The Window of Life_.  These songs are
finished save lyrics :
The Walls of Babylon, Ghosts and Breaking Spell, and a track in the like of
_Queen of Hearts_ titled _The Last Man on Earth_ consisting of
a) Skylight b) Paradise Road.

Look forward to it !

May Elbereth protect you..... Joerg Rhiemeier.

'I'm blowing the whistle for freedom to find out the truth.' -Shadowland,
                                                              The Whistleblower
From: yes@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (daniel.e.wofford)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: mailing lists
Keywords: where do we go from here?
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:57:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T



I am in need of help trying to get in touch with different
people around the net. I am going to risk sounding stupid here
so please be kind. 

 I have seen 2 different posts to join mailing lists but the only info
they give is the machine name. i.e to subscribe to the Marillion 
mailing list you are supposed to send a message
saying subscribe freaks dan gray
to freaks-request@bnf.com 
If the machine i'm on doesn't know about bnf.com how in the #@$%#^%#^#&^$
does everyone get the path to subscribe? I have asked my administrator 
if there is some service that I am not aware of that hunts down EMAIL 
paths but he just looked at me like I was stupid.

I subscribe to ATTMAIL does any one know if they offer such a service?
can anyone please help me get subscribed to the Marillion mailing list?


		Thanks a lot,
		Woffy    attmail!dwofford
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Kit Watkins questions
Keywords: happy the man kit watkins dregs gentle giant
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:48:39 GMT

bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:
...
>I do like National Health, Soft Machine, .......  and was not all that
>impressed by HtM.  It is nice stuff, but I don't get the urge to put
>in the CD player.  Maybe it is the compilation ?????

I'm not sure - personally, a friend gave me a tape of the first two
Happy The Man lps back around 1984, and it very slowly grew on me, 
with a large part of the difficulty being in some of the vocals. But 
over time I grew much more interested and at this point I like the 
compilation because it seems to leave off the vocal material I 
didn't get into on those lps. I was still hesitant to get the 
early pre-1st lp cd but I recently heard a boot/rarities tape that
included a lot of early material and I'm even more reminded of National 
Health than I am by the original selftitled lp or Crafty Hands. I think
some of the material I heard was on the Beginnings cd but I'm not sure.
Can anyone offer a comparison of the HTM material not on the compilation
to National Health or other artists? 

 - Malcolm
From: borella@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Simple question revisited
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:43:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1993Jan4.110521.1@fib.upc.es> guijarro@fib.upc.es writes:
>
>Two weeks ago I posted << a simple question >>. 
>I have read the "replies" and I think I was misunderstood.
>All the answers go like: " I think * will pass the time test " or
>the answer is left open to the subjectivity of the concept of 
>"TASTE". But just a few of them justify these feelings with any
>thing more than personal likes/dislikes. (If I missed some, please
>let me know) 

This question *is* subjective.  What people think music that lasts is,
is probably what they've listened to for a long period of time.  If
enough people have similar tastes, the timeless music *is* based on
taste.  

>I wanted (maybe I was not too clear) to discuss about 
>the reasons that make a single song (or a piece, or a theme, as 
>you prefer) endure. i.e. I want to talk about the properties 
>that musical art has to have to survive to the fashion oscillations
>(if there exist any).

This is not really a progressive rock question.  Prog music that
lasts, IMHO, lasts for different reasons than other forms of music.
Popular music "lasts" because of many variable, one of them being a
healthy dose of chance.  I guess there is chance to prog music as
well, but not as much.

I'm not sure what you mean by "passing the test of time" though.
Does this mean that it remains popular after many years?  Or that it
is something that a lot of people still listen to often?  I can tell
you what has lasted for me, and what I consider elements that makes
music timeless, but it may not have any meaning to anyone else.  

>The question is no so simple (as someone noted), and I think is really
>tricky. I promise to post my own opinion, but I think it will be 
>of no profit now.

It is a difficult question, and I don't think it can be answered
without subjectivity.  

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: John.Hirsch <John.Hirsch@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: ASIA AQUA --> Excuse me, but ...
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:21:30 GMT

In <1993Jan10.112242.16314@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood) writes:

>Well, that may now change. Howe has been back with the band as a kind of
>"pseudo-"member since the end of the "Aqua" recording, and the way things
>look right now, he will be *the* guitarist on the next album.

  I suppose I'm a bit out of it, but if Howe is going back to Asia, does
this mean we won't see anymore of ABWH or Yes stuff with him?

>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Simon Marwood		 |		  -- Expos, 1993 --
>marwood@csri.toronto.edu | ASIA ALPHA ASTRA AURORA THEN & NOW LIVE MOSKBA AQUA
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
John.Hirsch@mixcom.com

Hi there.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Re: Manheim Steamoller (was: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?)
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:44:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.214141.19722@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen) writes:
>I will likely get some strange looks for this recommendation, but what about
>the group Manheim Steamroller?

Nah, no funny looks here.  I've got Fresh Aire I-IV, excellent stuff.  The
fun part used to be going into a record store to see where they put it (rock?
jazz? soundtrack?).  Now it's usually in new age.

Oh, the soundtrack part come in because Wide World of Sports used to use their
music.

jim

-- 
Plumbers Motto:  A flush beats a full house.
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Jim Harkins                         [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!jim
Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
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From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yes, end of Relayer
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:19:59 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

So much for some profound statement.  That reminds me of his quote
in my Yes biography, where people come up with all these wierd
interpretations to his songs and he says "Who knows, maybe they're
right?".

I just thought that the end of 'To Be Over' might have some interesting
meaning as compared with something like 'shining flying purple wolfhounds
show me where you are'!

----
Carl Christensen
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Dregs: New cd & on the Tonight Show
From: ramst11+@pitt.edu (Richard A Meyer)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:46:34 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I just found out from Ranjit that Industry Standard is now available on
cd in Japan!!! His price is $21.95, I think.

Also, I personally was disappointed by their performance on the Tonight Show
last night. I wasn't really expecting much though. I figured their first song
would be the medley of Take It Off The Top, and the performance was very good.
But I hoped they would actually get to do a second song. Unfortunately, Jay
spent to much time being amazed that Spike Lee doesn't know how to drive.

For those of you who were hearing the Dregs for the first time, don't go
by that performance to judge them. They really are much more progressive than
that.

Later,

Rick

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From: silvus@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu (Gregory Lee Silvus)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: : Lots of stuff: Hackett, Pallas, Vangelis, Genesis, etc...
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:12:56 GMT
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univerity

In article <CHRISLEY.93Jan11115758@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:
   Anybody hear about a Vangelis album "See You Later" with 3 jon
   anderson vocals?

Available on import.
Interesting album, and I believe Jon sings on only 2 tracks. I personally
like the album, but I could see how some would dislike it.
gReg
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Simple question revisited
From: adrian@pluto.logica.co.uk (Adrian Putley)
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: adrian@pluto.logica.co.uk
Organization: Logica Industry Ltd, UK

In article <20706@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, borella@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.110521.1@fib.upc.es> guijarro@fib.upc.es writes:
>>
>	[...]
>
>>I wanted (maybe I was not too clear) to discuss about 
>>the reasons that make a single song (or a piece, or a theme, as 
>>you prefer) endure. i.e. I want to talk about the properties 
>>that musical art has to have to survive to the fashion oscillations
>>(if there exist any).
>
>	[...]
>
Well, for my three-penneth, music will endure if it has

-   sufficient punch to get itself noticed in the first place, and
-   sufficient depth, in regard to its listeners' sensibilities, to prevent
    them from tiring of it too soon.

The qualities that I personally relate to in music are

-   heartfelt sincerity (without being soppy or sentimental);
-   comunication of messages or viewpoints to which I can relate;
-   urgency (in one way or another) and enegeticness; and
-   tunefullness.

Adrian Putley		Logica Industry Ltd	Medina House, Business Park 4,
putleya@logica.co.uk				Randalls Way, Leatherhead,
(+44 71) 637 9111 x5715				Surrey  KT22 7TW, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Kit Watkins questions  
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:32:48 GMT

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

>I'm particularly interested in hearing from people that have listened
>to his two brand new-ish solo releases "Wet, Dark and Low" and
>"Circle", along with the new Coco Roussel solo CD "Reaching Beyond".

I'm interested in hearing more about ANY of Kit's solo work, especially 
those with Coco, and how it compares to the Happy The Man material. I 
vaguely recall playing his first solo lp on the radio in the early 80's,
but I had the impression that his work in more recent years is sorta
new-agey and maybe a little too "nice" or simple for my tastes... But I 
like Happy The Man enough that I suspect I could enjoy some of his solo works. 

  - Malcolm
From: markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yes, end of Relayer
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:27:09 GMT
	<38435@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Portland State University, CS Dept.
In-reply-to: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com's message of 8 Jan 93 22:12:14 GMT


I'm not sure if it's what you're talking about (it's been awhile since I've 
given relayer a spin...)  but I seem to remember hearing what I though were 
the words "nous somme du soleil", which would mean, "we are of the sun" in 
french.  (of course I could be totaly wrong, and pardon my french if I didn't
spell or translate something right). 

    --Mark
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: ASIA AQUA --> Excuse me, but ...
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:22:43 GMT

In article <C0n9Du.6Kv@fiu.edu> feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>
>That doesn't bother me at all.  In fact, listening to _Asia Live in Moscow_
>I got the impression that Asia lost its last progressive element when Wetton
>lost his singing partner.
>
>Who was his partner?  Steve Howe's guitar.  One of the most fascinating things
>about the early Asia sound was the interplay between Wetton's voice and
>Steve Howe's voice-like guitar.  Especially in songs like 'Time Will Tell.'

Well, that may now change. Howe has been back with the band as a kind of
"pseudo-"member since the end of the "Aqua" recording, and the way things
look right now, he will be *the* guitarist on the next album. Pat Thrall was
merely brought on board for the Moscow tour -- Steve Lukather and Mandy
Meyer were not available, and at the time Wetton was still in the band,
so you could forget about Howe having anything to do with it. Al Pitrelli
was brought in only for Aqua studio work, and the current tour guitarist
Vinny Burns.... well, let's just say: If you had a choice between Steve
Howe and Vinny Burns, who would *you* choose ??!! :)

So it should be interesting to see what direction Downes and Howe take the
music for the next studio album. I would imagine it will be more of a 
cross between early Asia and the more recent stuff, while still maintaining
somewhat of a harder edge.

Simon

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Progressive music carried by Noteworthy music
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:33:55 GMT

wrl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Bill Lefler) writes:
>      You mentioned Noteworthy music in your post.  I just started reading
>this group, so am obviously ignorant. Can you post some more info on Noteworthy?
>  What it is?  How to get a catalog?  etc.

Sure, here's something The Lighthouse Keeper wrote a while back:

NOTEWORTHY MUSIC, 17 Airport Road, Nashua NH  03063
   Phone (800) 648-7972, Fax: (603) 883-9220
Noteworthy is a mail-order only outfit who deal only in domestic
product, and only the best known of it as well. They still have a
very good selection and have been especially helpful in rounding
out my collections of Kansas, Pat Metheny, Zappa, King Crimson,
Tull and others. Why order from these guys, you might ask ? Because
their prices are about two dollars cheaper than you'll find in
almost any record store, and when you order enough the shipping is
next to nothing. In some cases their prices for new product are a
dollar less than you could get the same used disc for in a store.
And for those of us in California with the 8% sales tax, Noteworthy
is out of state, an added savings - for a little while longer at
least. Real nice catalog, call and ask for it.   - Peter Thelen

  - Malcolm
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Crack the sky - comments and questions.
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:51:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <7JAN199303070837@stdvax> abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier) writes:
>
>The band has gone through a variety of lineups - the central figures being 
>John Palumbo (vocals/guitar/keyboards) and Rick Witkowski (guitar). Their
>first 3 studio albums are the ones to get if you can find them. They were
>(maybe still are) out on CD - the titles are "Crack The Sky", "Animal 
>Notes", and "Safety In Numbers". When I saw these on CD they had been 
>issued as 2-LP sets, with #2 and #3 on one disc and #1 on a disc with the 
>4th album, called "White Music".

I have the one with the first album + _White Music_; it's really poorly
mastered, and omits some material (e.g., "Mind Baby") to fit onto one CD. 
So I'm leery of spending $$ to get the second and third albums on CD... I 
may have asked this one before, but why are these sold at import price?  
Are they really out of print?  BTW, there's a third CTS CD that has (most
of %( ) _Live Sky_ and the promo live album (_Live at W???_), but it was 
import-priced, too.  All the labeling says that it's a US release by 
Lifesong, so what's the deal?

The first four studio albums are good, but for folks in this newsgroup,
I'd recommend tracking down a used LP of _Live Sky_, which is pretty
great stuff IMHO.  It was recorded at the Cleveland Agora and somewhere
in Philly.  One CTS show I saw in Cleveland was incredible, despite a
substitute guitarist (only one to do the work of two!), whereas a show
a few years later in Columbus was completely forgettable and generic.  I
bought _Greenhouse_ when it came out, and while it's OK, I can't remember
the last time I felt an urge to listen to it...

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: FULL Canadian Asia tour itinerary
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:06:53 GMT

I just posted a massive message with Asia's full tour itinerary
and it was cross-posted to a.m.p but hasn't appeared.

It should appear in rec.music.info shortly if you're interested
though.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive