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From: sabel@cs.cornell.edu (Laura Sabel)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Fashion Rules, and Short Fashion (was: Greetings...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:38:02 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

nicolle@larry.sal.wisc.edu (BORN TO RECAL) writes:
>	
>	I think a service of some sort for summarizing all the do's and
>	don't of fashion and body shape would be excellent.  Every once
>	in a while, the magazines run an article about it, but I think
>	this is definitely something that can be compiled and maybe
>	published in book (?) form.  When I see people wearing things
>	they just shouldn't be wearing, I laugh and have to think of the
>	"Newhart" episodes when Stephanie and Michael go to the Mall and
>	give out "fashion citations"! 

>	Some things I've read:

[deletions]

>	2. Short women should not wear large belts.  They cut the body in
>	   two and break up the line.  Wearing one-piece outfits and shirts
>	   and skirt/pants of the same color also makes you look taller.


I don't like to talk about what people "shouldn't be wearing"
based on body type.  For one thing, it sounds mean (this isn't
a flame -- I've been tempted to give out a few fashion citations
myself :->).  For another, there are exceptions to every rule.
For instance, a short woman can probably get away with wearing
a wide belt if she is wearing a one-color outfit, such as a jumpsuit,
and the belt is the same color.  Short women with long proportions
(i.e., relatively long legs) can probably wear wide belts, too,
and look just fine.


Since I haven't seen many postings on the subject of fashion for
short women, and I am a short woman (5'0"), I'll mention that there
are books on Petite Fashion that give lots of guidelines.  My personal
favorite (which, naturally, I can't remember the title or author of)
lists several myths about what petite women can't wear, and suggests
many ways to add variety to one's wardrobe without feeling overly
restricted by rules.  For instance, there is the well-known injunction
against horizontal lines.  This can be broken as long as the dominant
lines of one's outfit are vertical.  For instance, it's okay to cuff
one's pants if the cuff is short and the pants have a well-defined
vertical crease, or vertical stripes.


Are there any other petite women out there with fashion suggestions?
How about suggestions for mail-order catalogs that carry petite sizes?
I dress casually most of the time, but there are times when I need
to wear Real Clothes, and I hate the frustration of shopping for
petite clothes in a not-so-metropolitan area.


-Laura
sabel@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Yaohan and a question (was Re: Tennis Fashions - Briefs)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<LGOLD.92Aug19170402@callahans.Cadence.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:28:49 GMT

Yaohan is a retail chain and Yaohan supermarkets can be found all over the
world. Yaohan has a rather interesting background for those who are interested
in cultism.


But my real question is this. I am a 1930-40s fanatic. I enjoy studying
anything I can about the period. From my studies I have developed a strong
interest in and desire for suits, hats, and shoe that reflect that time period.

Where can I find patterns that were used for suits made in the period between
1931 and 1950? Better still, is there a company or tailor somewhere who still
makes these suits?

In the hat department I have a rather peculiar problem. My hat size is 8. But I
would really like to get a hold of several hats like the ones worn in that time
period. Does anyone know of any companies that still produce these hats in a
size 8? Does anyone know of any companies that will produce custom work?

With regard to shoes I can probably find close approximation in current
production. However I am interested in any suggestions.

smittie
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Petite Sizes 
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:07:59 GMT

Spiegal carries most of their clothes in regular, petite, and tall sizes.

I think that Land's End has petite sizes as well on some of their items.


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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Yaohan and a question (was Re: Tennis Fashions - Briefs)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<SMITTIE.92Aug26142846@wren.csulb.edu> <p3t2ifk@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:35:12 GMT

I will have to defer here. I would be reciting from memory something I learned
about from a documentary aired in Japan in Japanese at a time when my Japanese
was not really up to the task. More importantly, I am currently in the throes
of trying to move my family back to Japan while at the same time finishing my
last semester at college. I just don't have time to look everything up again.

But....

the pistachio sized nutshell version.

Apparently when the founder of the Yaohan group died, his wife and several of
the employees deified him and now, at least in Japan in some stores all the
employees pay tribute to him (to the uninitiated Westerner this looks a lot
like praying to him) every morning. According to the program I watched this
practice was quite wide spread.

This is really only the tip of the iceberg. Someone who has the time and is
into cultism would really find it interesting.

smittie
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: Terje Holmboe <terjeh@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Mailorder stores.
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:41:01 GMT
Originator: terjeh@maud.ifi.uio.no



  Is there anywere a list of mailorder stores / anyone got adresses that
  sell clothes / shoes e.t.c for women ? ( Yes, asking for a friend... )



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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: nicolle@larry.sal.wisc.edu (BORN TO RECAL)
Subject: Re: Greetings, Lets get this group going
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison, WI
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:06:15 GMT

>to show styles on other body-types than tall-thin.  How does it look on 
>someone with a square-chunky body shape?  How about short-legged?  
>Square-shouldered?  Hippy?  Busty?  Etc?  Does anyone think that this is 
>possible?   N.B. I already subscribe to BBW Magazine.
>
>Recently, Glamour magazine had a critique of some of the new, long thin 
>slit skirts.  Seems some of them are impossible to sit down in without 
>revealing everthing!  What other problems are encountered in specific 
>styles?  Would a service detailing this sort of thing be saleable?
>
>Lets get some interesting discussions going on this newsgroup!!
>
>--Jill Miller

	
	I think a service of some sort for summarizing all the do's and
	don't of fashion and body shape would be excellent.  Every once
	in a while, the magazines run an article about it, but I think
	this is definitely something that can be compiled and maybe
	published in book (?) form.  When I see people wearing things
	they just shouldn't be wearing, I laugh and have to think of the
	"Newhart" episodes when Stephanie and Michael go to the Mall and
	give out "fashion citations"! 

	Some things I've read:

	1. Large-chested women should not wear shoulder pads or ruffles
	   on the front of the blouse.  V-neck sweaters break up the line
	   of the chest and downplay your size.  Also, I've found that
	   button-down oxfords also make you look smaller.  These are
	   things to wear if you are self-conscious about the size of
	   your chest.

	2. Short women should not wear large belts.  They cut the body in
	   two and break up the line.  Wearing one-piece outfits and shirts
	   and skirt/pants of the same color also makes you look taller.


	
	These are just some things that I recall from memory, but I'm sure
	there are tons of other things like this out there that could be
	collected.


	Nicolle
	nicolle@larry.sal.wisc.edu


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: getting information on being a pro
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X-Xxdate: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:10:11 GMT
Organization: World Bank
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:16:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.031109.9777@ncsu.edu> MARK ALLAN HUNT,
mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>There is also a less painfull way to enter the pro tour
>if your like me and your bowling is (up..down).You can enter
>PBA regional tournaments as an ameture.If you cash twich in one year
>you can receive your tour II card.Then if you cash twice again in a
>year after that you can go to PBA school to get your tour I card.
>No average is needed for this process....
>
>Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>1990-91 north carolina state yaba champ (scratch and handicap) mark hunt.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that, that is very true.  Keep in mind that
alot of
tournaments require you to have an average of 190 or better to qualify for
the tournament.  I believe though that if you cash in a regional you do
not
qualify for a tour card, you qualify for a regional membership.  If you
cash
twice in a regional in one year, you are exempt from the minimum
requirements
for membership.  Personally, I think most people will find trying to
qualify
that way will be harder. You have to bowl in an unfamiliar house, bowl
against
pros and to make matters worst, cash in that tournament when alot of times
they only pay the top ten to fifteen spots and THEN you have to do it
TWICE in
one year.  Alot of pros can't even do that...(present company excluded of
course!  ;-)  )....
-aki
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-Mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
*********************************
"How come the best ball for me is always
the one I don't own?"
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: fyi...
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:00:48 GMT
Organization: World Bank
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:06:57 GMT


fyi..

I've received alot of e-mail asking questions about equipment etc...
I have two mail addresses...the mail address that everyone seemed
to use is REALLY messed up, I can hardly read the mail...I don't
know what the problem is but if anyone would like to re-e-mail
me please use the following address:

akidamme-233324.worldbank.org

that address will go straight to my Mac and NOT to the VAX which
for some reason is not working properly.  sorry for any 
confusion...at this time I am unable to respond to any em's that
was sent to my other address since I cant read the header...
*sigh*...just another day .....

-aki
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: just curious...
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:06:35 GMT

	
	I to am glad this newgroup exist's. I've been bowling 1 night
a week for almost 20 years now. While I can't claim to have a 200+ ave
I've been satisfied with with 185+ for the last 10 years (never get out
to practice so I can't really complain (can I ?)). 
	This year I'm attempting to convert from a standard 10th board
down & in shot, to more a crank let it all hang out first shot. I miss
maybe 2 spares a night and hope that by increasing my strike chances I'll
do better.
		jeffh (nuke)
From: pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dave Dalke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: New bowling balls...
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:37:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Aug31.211143.1431@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@atlas.worldbank.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>  If no one minds, I'll periodically post
> any of these notices (that I don't want or can't
> afford at the moment).  If you are interested
> in ordering one, let me know and I'll order it
> for you.  Anything I can do to help bring down
> the cost of bowling supplies, hell I'm all
> for it.
> 
> -Aki
	Please do!  That's a nice offer, especially in light of the fact that
these new weapons run upwards of $125 in the local pro shops.


Dave Dalke
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL

pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: just curious
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:48:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: pktst@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu


Well, from what I see here in Western PA is alot of Hammers,
especially blue. The Rhino Pro isn't hot here yet (I've only seen
one other person other than me with one). Another ball used here
alot is the Columbia U-dot.  As to the Columbia U2, once again, I've
only seen one person other than me that throws one. Other balls
such as the "old" Rhino, Phantom, Sumo are seen on occasion too.

on a different subject, how is the Sumo anyway?

mike
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Bowling Honor Roll
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:33:12 GMT
Organization: World Bank
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In article <1992Sep3.120109.23736@pixel.kodak.com> Ben K Gibson, bkg@ssd.kodak.com writes:
>You get the idea. Anyhow the criteria would be things such as Award Scores,
>600+ series, bowling firsts, 7-10 splits, 225+games, and so on.
>Also tournaments won or placed. Please e-mail me your suggestions. If enough
>people are interested, I will coordinate the list.

...sounds like fun, I'm game if everyone else is...

-aki
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
(202)458-1112
Email: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
*************************
"How come the best ball for me
is always the one I don't own?"
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: House Closing
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:08:58 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <87063@netnews.upenn.edu> Gudmundsen@a1.relay.upenn.edu (Tom Gudmundsen) writes:
>Is bowling still percieved 
>as that sport that only fat slobs and beer drinkers do??? 

Sadly, here in California, and especially in SoCal, bowling just isn't
the "in" thing to do, no matter what the "Hollywood Reporter" writes.
Bowling has never buried the media image of the smoky, pool-hall
atmosphere.  People here have many choices as to what type of sports/
pasttimes/exercise they wish to take up, and bowling being limited to
indoor confines does not appeal to many sun-loving Californians, like,
ya know??? %^)

>
>Our houses in the area are older and I am wondering why only it 
>seems that in the Midwest, Florida, and California area's are 
>getting the newer types of houses? 

California isn't immune to this dilemma, either.  Land value is too
high to keep a low revenue-generating endeavor like a bowling center
operating, say owners here.  Sure, California does get its share of
new centers, but they're in places like Riverside/San Bernardino
County, about 50 miles east of Downtown LA, and mostly desert land. 
Not too convenient if you live within the LA city limits.  Many
centers in LA proper are old, too -- ~25-35 years.  This type of
center is closing in LA because the cost to upgrade doesn't fit into
the owners pocketbook, plus, s/he could convert a good size plot of
land into rental spaces.  Can you say, "Rent due today!"?
From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: getting information on being a pro
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:11:09 GMT
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: mahunt@c00378-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu


There is also a less painfull way to enter the pro tour
if your like me and your bowling is (up..down).You can enter
PBA regional tournaments as an ameture.If you cash twich in one year
you can receive your tour II card.Then if you cash twice again in a
year after that you can go to PBA school to get your tour I card.
No average is needed for this process....

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

1990-91 north carolina state yaba champ (scratch and handicap) mark hunt.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Just a side note on new balls...
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Just a side note on the balls I mentioned in an earlier post.  
I'll drudge up some old mail I've received in the past few
months and post them just to give everyone an idea
of what the average costs are for these new balls.  That
might give everyone an idea of how much of a savings
you can get if you order direct.  What's a real ripoff
is how much the pro shops charge for these balls.  I
used to own a pro shop and just to give you an idea,
when the black Rhinos came out, we ordered them
from our distributor for approx $55 per ball, then we
retailed them for $120!...and that doesn't even include
grips...usually when you order them from the factory,
it about ten dollars less than what the pro shop can
order them for.

-Aki
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: Re: 300 game questions
Originator: bkg@earth1
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:07:41 GMT

In Article: <1992Sep1.214659.12548@hspice.portal.com>
gregw@hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe) Writes:

>Just what does happen after you bowl a 300 game (apart from
>drinks all round and that stuff :-)  Assuming you are bowling
>in a sanctioned league, when are the lanes tested for "correctness",
>and when do they check your ball and so on.  What would stop someone
>from using an illegal ball, then substituting when it had to be
>checked.  What happens if you roll a 300 in the first game of
>the night under legal conditions, and they then change during
>the course of the night and become illegal.

Lanes are no longer checked after each award score. Bowling Centers
are subjected to spot checks as part of their ABC sanction. If
They pass all of the spot checks, all award scores pass during 
that period. (This check includes lane oil, flat-gutter/ kick-backs,
and pin certification.) If they fail a spot check, and an award score
is bowled, the lanes are checked following the score. (Sometime before the 
house reoils the lanes). Likewise, the ABC can spotcheck your bowlingball.
This however, is not a common practice in league play. You register the 
Serial Number on the application sheet. If you bowl one in an ABC tournement,
The ball gets weighed after the award score. IF you bowl in THE ABC tournement,
your ball get weighed prior to bowling. If it fails, they drill it out on the
spot.

As fas as the first night of League is concerned. The lanes are certified
prior to League start. The only question is then your sanction. If it is
paid by the fourth week of bowling, your safe. IF not, no $30 ring.
 
Ben
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: BUD II's roots...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.132113.23505@worldbank.org> aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>I don't know how many people know how the BUD II came to be
>but I find it an interesting story and thought you might be
>interested.
>
>[Budweiser ball story deleted]

I've never heard this version of why the BUD II is called what it is. 
I know of the Budweiser-PBA feuding, but never about the tie-in with
the ball.  Even Columbia's ad even says BUD II stands for _B_lack
_U_  - _D_ot II, which makes sense to me.  Plus, if the Budweiser ball
was such a hot item, why didn't the manufacturer (or Columbia) continue
to make it red?  But a great coincidence on Columbia's part, however!



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: PBA Card
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:43:58 GMT

In article <pierce-280892132143@skipper.bmbcb.nwu.edu> Dave Dalke,
pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>I think I have a bias about turning pro. First off, I will say that I am
>not nearly good enough to remotely consider the idea.  But if I were, I
>think I would have reservations because I think that there is more money
to
>be won as an amatuer than there is as a pro.  Maybe I have the wrong
idea,
>but I'd like to hear discussion on the topic, if anyone is willing.

sorry forgot about your second question...

I disagree, I found that in amateur tournaments the money can 
be quite large, but unfortunately so are the total number of
bowlers you are competing against.  For example the annual
state tournament in Va totals over 5,000 bowlers stretching
over three months.  Sure if you win first place you get about
5 grand but look at the odds.  On the other hand most pro 
tournaments hardly ever total more than 100-200 bowlers.
The odds are alot better getting some money from that (they
usually pay the top 8-10 slots).  Addionally there are alot of
sponsors (e.g. Brunswick, AMF, etc) that will PAY you to use
their equipment in a televised match (usually anywhere from
$1,000 to $5,000).  The Southern Region where I bowl has a 
tournament every weekend somewhere (usally within 2-3 hr
drive).  I know some regional members that (even though qualifying
for Resident or Regional status), remain as Regional members
and make a fair amount of change ($30K to 50K) just bowling
regionals.  Most amateurs don't make that much bowling the
open tournaments, the odds are just too high, besides most
non-pro tournaments are handicap matches which (IMHO) 
favors the lower average bowler who might get hot.

there now I'll get off my soapbox.. :-)

-aki