From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)
Subject: Re: LYING BY OMISSION!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:08:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.035104.25036@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>In article 10689@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>>
>>Brendan, when you claim that you responded to my original post, 
>>that claim is as incomplete as your knowledge about the Middle 
>>East!  I raised the issue of the Arab world rejecting the UN plan
>>to partition the region into TWO states. One was to be Jewish, and
>>the other a Palestinian State.  I brought up the issue that this
>>new Palestinian state would have been much larger than the areas
>>that are currently under question.  I brought up the issue that
>>the Arab world rejected the partition, and instead attacked the Jews
>>killing about 6,000.  And I raised the issue that now that the Jews
>>have created a land of milk and honey out of nothing, the Arabs
>>have changed their minds about the area, and want to take what the
>>Jews have built up. 
>
>Your last few sentences clearly prove you have a fundamental lack
>of understanding of the relevant history.  I do not have time to
>act as your tutor.
>
>>I do not recall you responding to ANY of
>>these points.  Since you have avoided these historical FACTS in
>>your stupid anti-Israel diatribes, one can easily conclude that you
>>are an historical LIAR.  Are you sure you are not connected with
>>the illustrious IHR.  You sound like an IHR type.  You smell like
>>an IHR type.  And with your eagerness to ignore the above facts,
>>among others, it is clear that your posturing as one concerned with
>>the Palestinian people is bullshit that you use to TRY to cover up
>>your hatred of Israel.  Since your ramblings are unfettered by the
>>ravages of fact that don't support your view, why don't you try to
>>join the Klan, or the skinheads.  In this debate, you are in over
>>your empty, bigoted head!
>
>Mark, haven't you yet realised that you are an embarrassment to 
>most of the pro-Israel posters on t.p.m?  You seem to be here just 
>to vent your spleen all over the place.  Well, I have better things
>to do with my time.  If you want to question my views, you are
>welcome to QUOTE them (not make them up like you usually do) and
>state your objections.  I will then defend them.  Be prepared for
>an argument, as I am confident that I have read at least 10 times 
>as much middle-east history as you have.
>
>By the way, I found the book by Fromkin that you kindly referred
>me to.  At first sight it appears to be a proficient and thorough
>tertiary source (i.e., it is two steps removed from the primary
>source material, as almost all the citations are to other books).
>Its Judaocentric viewpoint is obvious, but that is not necessarily
>a disadvantage if it is done openly.  What started to get me
>actively suspicious was looking up "Transjordan" in the index and 
>finding merely "see under Palestine".  Examination of Fromkin's
>descriptions of some of the historical events for which I have
>primary or secondary sources confirmed my suspicions:  this book
>has been written by an author who is imbued with the
>[Jabotinsky-ite] Revisionist-Herut minority model of history and
>he is perfectly willing to misrepresent or even completely
>suppress evidence that is contrary to it.  I could provide examples,
>but only if you are interested in discussing it seriously.

I've read Fromkin's book and don't agree that Fromkin seems to be imbued
with the Jabotinsky-ite model much at all.  Neither, for that matter,
does Rabbi A. Hertzberg in a New York Review of Books article I've got
(but not in front of me).  Hertzberg can be called many things, but he
is certainly not enamored of Jabotinsky.

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman  <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> or <eric@lyra.Colorado.EDU> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder