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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: What's the best way to amplify a fiddle?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:13:14 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.112214@orion.IntelliCorp.COM> pobermarck@intellicorp.com writes:
>
> selliott@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Elliott) writes:
>|> 
>|>  ...  I play fiddle, and
>|> I am wondering if anyone has any recommendations as to the best way to
>|> amplify a fiddle while retaining the acoustic quality of the instrument.
>
>|> Thanx for any info, Steve Elliott
 
First a disclaimer and an explanation:  I am not a fiddle/violin player.  I
did, however, run a sound system for a group which featured two excellent
violinists.  I lived with both of them for two years and saw the efforts
that they made to get a natural sound.  I also ran the sound system for
a show which featured one of them along with Darol Anger and David Balkrishnan,
two other outstanding violinists.

|Fishman makes an exceptional pickup which slips into the bridge.  The last
|time I investigated amplifying a fiddle was a couple years ago, but at that
|time, this was the best overall product.

At the time my two roommates were using Barcus-Berry pickups (at the time
there wasn't much choice).  
 
The amplification and sound shaping didn't stop there however.  The pickup
merely picks up the audio frequencies and sends them to a pre-amp.  Both
my roommates were running the pickup to good quality four channel pre-amps.
Each channel had a soundcraftsman equalizer in line.  One channel was for
a straight natural tone and the others could be patched in for various
electronic effects.  In their case they also played a couple other instruments
so the additional channels were used.  In any case, using the pickup on
the bridge, the equalizer could compensate for deficiencies in the pickup and
room acoustics, and a good natural sound could result.  The soundcraftsman
equalizer was a stereo equalizer (as many of the audio equalizers are), thus
two different sound curves could be created.  The same setup was used whether
they were amplifying a violin, mandolin, acoustic guitar, banjo, or flute.
One of the guys played them all.

You might also consider writing directly to a violinist whose tone you find
you like and ask him about his setup. I think Darol has a nice natural tone
even with using a pickup.  However, the sweetest tone comes from the violin
of Stephane Grapelli and I believe he plays through a mike.
 
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Re: Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:42:07 GMT

ghost (jmf@endor.harvard.edu) wrote:
} In article <brookeb.3.724372204@ksg1.harvard.edu> brookeb@ksg1.harvard.edu (BRIAN BROOKE) writes:
} >Yes, I'm posting again....
} >	Does anyone know any tour dates? (I saw Amherst but I don't know 
} >where that is)  

I saw them here in Amherst Sunday night (two hours west of Boston; you could've
come!) and the show was incredible! They seemed very loose (but very together),
and there was a lot of good improvisation, and also a lot of humor, which I
didn't expect. Howard Levy played everything, including occerina, tin whistle,
his cheeks, and our pipe organ! Bela was playing his new purple electric banjo
(do I see some Prince influence? Maybe...). They are so cool that they even 
came out to talk to people after the show. Bela told me that this was their
second to last gig on the tour, so I don't think they'll be around much for a
while. I also asked him if Strength in Numbers would ever make another record,
and he said it _is_ a possibility. 


} Uhh...They were at Berklee Performance Center in Boston Nov 15th;
} I'll bet they're not coming back anytime soon, scheduling being what it is
} (dammit).
} (I was outside the sold-out Somerville Theater Youssou N'Dour concert that
} same night, unsuccessfully trying to get in...although World Music still
} had a large stack of unclaimed complimentary tickets at an hour into the show,
My friend at Harvard saw that concert, and he said it was fantastic. He did 
want to see the Flecktones, but he said Youssou N'Dour was awesome.

--
Harris Wulfson
hjwulfson@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jsarna@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: the Proclaimers
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 00:24:50 GMT

hi...
does anyone have chords and/or lyrics to songs by the Proclaimers,
specifically "Letter to America" from the album "This is the Story"?
responses in the affirmative will be met with shouts of joy and
proclamations of everlasting love :-)

                -jeremy
                JSARNA@VAX.CLARKU.EDU

ps: please e-mail, as i don't often check this newsgroup :-(
                -j
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: No more replies to Joni Mitchell's "Chelsea Morning."
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:51:24 GMT

I would like to thank all the people who took the time to reply
to my message.  I've ordered a copy of the CD from a local Music
store, and it should be in this week.

Thank you for your kindness, and Chelsea and I both thank you.

Jimmy
jimmys@ics.uci.edu

--
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jimmys@ics.uci.edu
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From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Subject: Re: And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:27:25 GMT

In <1992Dec15.195503.10278@eng.umd.edu> ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli) writes:


*In article <1992Dec15.090627.13036@bsu-ucs>, 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:
*>
*>
*>Pogues do a version too!
*>
*>-- 
*
*There is a line I could never figure out.  Could anyone help?
*
*... a man needs both legs
*
*Ugo

The Pogues do it as "For to hang tent and pegs."

Of cource, MacGowan has a tendency to change his own lyrics as he
"sings", so this shouldn't be taken as gospel.  But it is a good 
version.

-- archer
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Query: Tune to Johnny Macree
Summary: Request for tune
Keywords: Irish songs, Johnny Macree
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:57:42 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In Pankake & Pankake's _Prairie Home Companion Folk Song Book_ the
following song is given without music:

JOHNNY MACREE

The days are short and the nights are long
And the wind is nipping cold.
The tasks are hard and the sums are wrong
And the teachers often scold.
But Johnny Macree, oh, what cares he
As he whistles along the way,
As he whistles along the way.
"It will all come right by tomorrow night,"
Says Johnny Macree today.

The plums are few and the cake is plain
And the shoes are out at toe.
For coins you look in the purse in vain:
They were all spent long ago.
But Johnny Macree, oh, what cares he
As he whistles along the street,
As he whistles along the street?
"Would you have the blues for a pair of shoes
When you still have a pair of feet?"

I recite it to myself a lot, and I would love to sing it.  Does anyone
know the tune?
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Stephen Foster
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:28:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <799@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu (Norton Gusky) writes:
#>I'm trying to put together a feature for WYEP's Calliope Edition that
#>would include contemporary renditions of Foster tunes.  Hard Times, for
#>example, has been recorded by the Red Clay Ramblers, Bob Dylan (most
#>recently) and others.  What are other tunes and artists that I could use?

#>Norton Gusky
#>gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu 

Kathy Fink has a great rendition of "My Old Kentucky Home" on
her first album, which came out on CD not too long ago. Note
that you shouldn't confuse the fiddle tune "Angeline, the Baker"
with Foster's "Angelina Baker," which has a different melody
and words. Foster's tune is about a slave pining for his lost
love; the fiddle tune is about a beautiful baker. (Angeline,
the baker, prettiest gal alive. She says she is 23, but I
know she's 45.)

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: sek@cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Subject: Re: Laura Nyro
Reply-To: sek@cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Red Bank, N.J.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:20:39 GMT

In article <92353.134129U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> Anybody know if _Mother's Spiritual_ is still available as a cutout tape,
|> CD, or otherwise?  It was her last album for Columbia.
|> 

It's available on CD in Europe and should be easily gotten by most good
import C.D. stores.  It's never been released on CD domestically.
-- 
Spencer Kantor
Bell Communications Research

sek@cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: And the Band played Waltzing Mathilda
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:45:58 GMT

>I'm hearing (in my perhaps faulty memory) some different words,
>so for anyone who cares, here are the differences (my version
>marked with *, and typos silently corrected):

Bogle has recorded this song three or four times, and each time the words
mutate a bit.  Others have also recorded it.  So in my opinion it's kind of
silly to argue about things like "to stop" vs "you stopped" and the addition
of a "'cause"; minor variations happen sometimes, and there's nothing wrong
with that.

Monica
From: wrp@psl1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fast Folk magazine info wanted
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:04:59 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

In article <1992Dec9.222456.6959@progress.com> rich@progress.COM (Rich Lenihan) writes:
>I'm looking for info for the Fast Folk music magazine, address, subscription
>info, that sort of thing.  Thanks...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you want to know everything from Fast Folk that is available on CD,
you can get file fastfolk.alb from my CD database on the music ftp archives.

If no one has sent you their subscription information, e-mail me and I will
send it to you when I get home tonight.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Waltzing Mathilda
Keywords: waltzing_matilda
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:48:58 GMT

In article <pavlovic.18.724618557@ehsc.orst.edu>, pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich) writes:
>I have a question.
>I once heard the tune of "Waltzing Matida" sung  with different words.
>The singers claimed that the tune originally went to an English recruiting 
>song.  Instead of waltzing matilda the chorus was:
>
>Who'll come a'------.
>
>And that is all I can remember.  Any Ideas?  I would like the Lyrics if 
>anyone knows them.

Probably not what you have in mind, but there's a sort of anti-recruiting
version, called, I think, "The Rochester Sergeant".  It's on a Strawhead
album -- what the heck ever happened to Strawhead, by the way?  I liked
them a lot.  I don't remember it all, but it started

   A recruiting sergeant rode through the streets of Rochester,
   Home from the wars in the low country,
   And he sang as he rode and played upon his kettle-drum,
   "Who'll be a soldier for Marlborough and me?"

...to which a couple of solid middle-class citizens respond that they'd
rather stay home than be shot into tiny little pieces, but a young
man who has "long been on the parish rolls" agrees to "take the King's
shilling for Marlborough and thee."  I could look up the complete words
if anyone's interested.

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From: gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu (Norton Gusky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Stephen Foster
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I'm trying to put together a feature for WYEP's Calliope Edition that
would include contemporary renditions of Foster tunes.  Hard Times, for
example, has been recorded by the Red Clay Ramblers, Bob Dylan (most
recently) and others.  What are other tunes and artists that I could use?

Norton Gusky
gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: selliott@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Elliott)
Subject: What's the best way to amplify a fiddle?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:25:00 GMT


I am in a bluegrass/swing/gospel band and we are currently getting more
active in the gig scene. Which means we need to come up with some
amplification equipment for our acoustic instruments. I play fiddle, and
I am wondering if anyone has any recommendations as to the best way to
amplify a fiddle while retaining the acoustic quality of the instrument.
For example, would mikeing it be the best way, or should I look into
a bridge mike, or a pickup? My first priority is quality of sound, followed
by ease of use. Therefore, freedom of movement around the stage would be
desirable, but not if I end up sounding like Pappa John Creech ;-)

Thanx for any info, Steve Elliott
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: And the Band played Waltzing Mathilda
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:42:31 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.210526.13169@bsu-ucs> 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:
>In article <BzFBur.F4z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>> Thanks to the people who posted the lyrics to this song. Now, can
>> somebody also post the words to the spoof of it entitled "And the Band
>> Played 'And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda'" ???
>
>well they've already been posted recently (a couple of times)

In that case, are they available on an anonymous ftp site somewhere, or
could someone (you, perhaps?) email them to me?

Thanks!
From: dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Stephen Foster
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:45:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: NSWC


> 
> I'm trying to put together a feature for WYEP's Calliope Edition that
> would include contemporary renditions of Foster tunes.  Hard Times, for
> example, has been recorded by the Red Clay Ramblers, Bob Dylan (most
> recently) and others.  What are other tunes and artists that I could use?
> 
> Norton Gusky
> gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu 

Not really contemporary, but I have to mention James Taylor's version of
"Oh Susanna" on his album "Sweet Baby James."
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Cleveland setlist for Indigo Girls 12-15-92
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:16:12 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

You people belong on the Indigo Girls mailing list.
Mail to:
  indigo-girls-request@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
The list manager is a human, and you can get the list in real-time or
digest mode. Set lists and reviews galore!
  The list also covers performers of common interest; Shawn Colvin,
Mary Chapin Carpenter, and DIssapear Fear are a few from the top of my
head. 
--
System Administrator                  Internet: betsys@cs.umb.edu
MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               Phone   : 617-287-6448
100 Morrissey Blvd                    Staccato signals
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From: stevena@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The Great Selkie of Sule Skerrie
Date: 13 Dec 92 08:57:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: triangle.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec13.075210.2597@netcom.com> bosak@netcom.com (Jon Bosak) writes:
>
>Nathan Tenny (tenny@euclid.uucp) asks:
>
>NT> Does anyone have a working melody for this song?  There's one in
>NT> the Viking Press collection of ballads, but it's kind of clunky
>NT> and obvious to my ears.
>
>I have a dim (like, 30-year-old) memory of Joan Baez having recorded
>this song on an early album under the title "Silkie".  If not a figment
>of my imagination, the tune should be in the Joan Baez Songbook.  I
>don't know if she used the same melody as the one in the Viking
>collection, but I seem to remember liking it a lot at the time.
>
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> Jon Bosak  Sunnyvale, California : bosak@netcom.com  jbosak@novell.com
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
_Rise Up Singing_, from Sing Out, has it as

    D C - D / / G D C D / Em - C D

and notes that it's Child #113 (although those particular chords are
ones used by James Waters), so I looked in my _Singing Tradition of
Child's Ballads_ by Bertrand Harris Bronson,
finding a tune as sung by one John Sinclair, Orkney Islands, 1938:

  a M
                       ____         ____         ____ _______
                        .    ..      .            .
            4        | 8 16 4  16 | 8 16 2 4   | 8 16 8 16 16 |
   2 3 4             |            |            |              |
 &          A        | G  E D   B | B  D E A   | G  E D F#  A |
     4                         blw blw
			       mid mid
				C   C

            ____        ____         ____   ___   ____           ___
             .                .                         .
            8 16 2 4  | 8  8 4 8   | 8  8 2 8 8 | 8  8 4 8     | 8 8 2 ||
                      |            |            |              |       ||
            G  A B D  | D  C B A   | G  D E D A | A  A B A     | G E D ||
                  abv  abv
                   hi   hi hi
                   C    C  C

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steven Alexander
Comp Sci grad student                           stevena@cs.berkeley.edu
& non-practicing lawyer extraordinaire
{I'm really wonderful at not practicing}
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From: wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Subject: Bruce Cockburn Christmas Special
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:16:33 GMT


Bruce Cockburn will be giving another special Christmas concert this year.  
Guest artists will include Lou Reed, Roseanne Cash, and Rob Wasserman.

It will be held on Dec 20th at 11:00 AM EST from the Howard Schwarts studio
in New York City.  It will be broadcast via satellite to hundreds of radio
stations across the U.S. and Canada.  Check with your local radio stations
to see which ones are carrying it.  Generally, it will be one of the bigger
commercial stations instead of the smaller PBS stations.  The list includes:

	WNEW	New York City
	KFOG	San Francisco
	WBCN	Boston
	KMTT	Seattle
	WMMR	Philadelphia

If no stations are carrying the show, you can call one and ask to speak
to the program director (if he/she isn't available, then you might settle
for the music director.)  Tell them about the show, and ask them to contact
Josh Rosenthal at Columbia in New York City (they should know how to contact
him) to see if they can carry it.  If all else fails, join the humans mailing
list, someone will probably make copies available. :^)

Incidentally, four more of Bruce's albums will be released on CD in Feb.
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From: watson@hg.uleth.ca (The terror that flaps in the night)
Subject: Re: folk Christmas records
Reply-To: watson@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:01:15 GMT

In article <1g8jlrINN5j9@agate.berkeley.edu>, lanih@herald.Berkeley.EDU (J. Lani Herrmann) writes:
>Jean Ritchie did Carols for All Seasons on Prestige many, many moons ago.
>My prized copy is nearly worn out. Her newer one (sorry, I've forgotten
>title and label -- ?A Kentucky Christmas? ?Greenhays, or Flying Fish?)
>is a little more Produced and (by me) not as interesting. But no one can
>touch her rendition of "Brightest and Best," nor (in her book Singing
>Family of the Cumberlands) her accounts of her family bringing in and
>decorating the tree.... 
>	Another favorite is the original-cast recording of (Gian-Carlo Menotti's
>opera) Amahl and the Night Visitors, on RCA Victor. Not exactly folk, but
>very evocative -- especially the Three Kings.
>	The Seeger kinder, Peggy and Mike, recorded a bunch of wonderful
>songs from their mother's book, American Folk Songs for Children, on Rounder.
>I'm sure I hear Peggy singing "Mary had a baby...yes, lord," on my mind's
>playback. That's the song with the refrain, "The people keep a-comin' but
>the train done gone."
>	'Nuf for now. Happy hunting, Lani

Loreena McKennitt's _To Drive The Cold Winter Away_ is lovely holiday music...
it features several traditional carols recorded in various Irish cathedrals.
It provided inspiration as I trimmed my tree this weekend...  :)

- Carol

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:32:10 GMT

bulger@ug.cs.dal.ca (Fred Bulger) writes:

>   I haven't been able to find the lyrics to these songs anywhere on the net,
>so I would greatly appreciate it if anybody could help me out :

>  "Galoway Races "   Irish folk song

"Galway Races" is No. 168 in _The Oxford Book of Light Verse_, edited
by W. H. Auden (Oxford U.P.; not to be confused with the more recent
book of similar title edited by Kingsley Amis).  Like many Irish
things, it is a little bit of paradise.  The first stanza is:

It's there you'll see confectioners with sugar sticks and dainties,
The lozenges and oranges, lemonade and the raisins;
The gingerbread and spices to accommodate the ladies,
And a big crubeen for threepence too be picking while you're able.

The last is:

There was half a million people there of all denominations,
The Catholic, the Protestant, the Jew and Prespetarian.
There was yet no animosity, no matter what persuasion,
But failte and hospitality, inducing fresh acquaintance.

Auden got it from the _Golden Treasury of Irish Verse_, edited by
Lennox Robinson.  If you can't find either book, let me know, and I'll
post the whole thing.

I have never heard or seen a tune for it.  If you know one, I'd be
much obliged.
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146