From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.sex
Subject: Getting any? (was: Paglia (was: Cross-Writing))
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:24:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan13.002402.19268
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <13879@optilink.COM> 
cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <1igsouINNgf3@phakt.usc.edu>, 
>rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) writes:

>>michael bruce macdonald writes:

MBM:
>>>I don't appreciate your calling the details of Foucault's life "sordid" just
>>>because he happened to be gay . . . Or are you referring to something else?

Why not?  Hasn't anyone read Proust, in this ever so literate venue?

As an aside, how do you distinguish happening to be gay, from being that?

RH:
>>I was not referring to his homosexuality in general, but the pattern of
>>casual sex in bathhouses.  I would have used sordid if he was having sex
>>with women in the same pattern of behavior.

Please advise me of any heterosexual bathhouses you happen to know of.

(this is a matter of some personal urgency)

CC:
>The difference is that in a heterosexual, that sort of behavior is
>"sordid."  In a homosexual, it's the norm.
>
>                       Homosexual Males           Homosexual Females
>                       White  Black               White   Black
>                       N=574  N=111               N=227   N=64
>  Lifetime number of
>  homosexual partners  
>    1                      0%      0%              3%      5%
>    2                      0       0               9       5
>    3-4                    1       2              15      14
>    5-9                    2       4              31      30
>    10-14                  3       5              16       9
>    15-24                  3       6              10      16
>    25-49                  8       6               8      11
>    50-99                  9      18               5       8
>    100-249               15      15               1       2
>    250-499               17      11               1       2
>    500-999               15      14               0       0
>    1000 or more          28      19               0       0
>
>  Proportion of partners
>  who were strangers
>    None                   1%      5%             62%     56%
>    Half or less          20      43              32      38
>    More than half        79      51               6       6
>
>  Proportion of partners
>  with whom sexual activity
>  occurred only once
>    None                   1%      4%             38%     41%
>    Half or less          29      59              51      55
>    More than half        70      38              12       5
>  [William H. Masters, Virginia E. Johnson, and Robert C. Kolodny, 
>   _Human Sexuality_, 4th ed., (New York, HarperCollins Publishers
>   Inc.: 1992), 404]

	"If you've got it, -- flaunt it, baby! flaunt it!"
	Max Bialystock, _The Producers_ (Zero Mostel / Mel Brooks)

>>>michael mcdonald

>>Ron Hogan

>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
>Not a goal, just a statement of reality.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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