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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:06:53 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

cmedley@wam.umd.edu ('Flip') writes:

> Just out of curiosity, I am wondering what the primary concerns of those who
> are considering jumping to the PC/Mac, etc... platforms are?  I've noticed
> that what people who jump are looking for is a large software base, with the
> "options" of doing pretty much anything they want available to them.  I think
> that's a pretty valid reason... but are there other considerations?

There's a strong case to be made for availability of service and
peripherals.  If you have a PC or Mac, you can go almost anywhere to get
service or buy software/parts off the shelf.  So far, the best bets for
Atari service have usually been music stores, whose software tends to be
restricted to the realm of MIDI.  I don't consider this a problem, but it
sure is for a lot of people, who must use mail order to get stuff.

I think that a lot of us Atari folks buy computers for a specific purpose
and are willing to suffer the inconvenience.  I certainly feel that way. 
There could be 100 Ford dealerships in my town, but I'd still rather drive a
Mercedes.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: muocj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Olivo Contreras)
Subject: Re: PAULA 2.0 for STe/TT, not ST
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:56:35 GMT

I couldn't get CDPlayer to work either.  I thought I had a bad file or a
bad computer, but it looks like I'm not alone.

Olivo Contreras Jr.
muocj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
muocj@ecnuxa.bitnet

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 11:43:24 GMT

In <1992Sep4.151149.8953@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

>As a developer, I'm just curious... how many folks in this newsgroup actually do
>intend to buy a Falcon when (and if) they become readily available at say, about
>US$799 for a 1Mb, _no_ hard drive model (which will _not_ multitask in this 
>configuration)?  How much will a 4Mb, 65Mb HD model cost?  Atari has not released
>pricing info yet but if $799 is about right for the low end, we would surely be
>talking about $1299 or so, don't you think?  And you'll also need a VGA monitor.

If the Falcon with 4 MB and 60MB HD becomes available  at  around
DM  1,800.--,  I  will probably buy one as soon as they appear in
the stores. If it is more expensive, I'll wait until  next  year,
hoping  the prices will lower after christmas. And, I will surely
check out the price for the 14MB RAM model, since  with  MultiTOS
you  can't have too much memory, but I'm afraid I'll be unable to
afford it.

Greetinx, Jan

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: don@terminus.gatech.edu (Don Allison)
Subject: ST questions: GCC 2.2, FPUs and image converters
Summary: Three unrelated ST questions
Keywords: GCC, FPU, PI3
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:05:16 GMT


Three unrelated (or somewhat related) questions:

1.  In other groups I've read that GCC 2.2 is the version to use
and that 2.1 is buggy and shouldn't be used any more.  Someone
here mentioned an ST port of 2.2 but I haven't been able to find
such an item at any of the ftp sites.  Has 2.2 been ported to the
ST, and if so, where could I find a copy?

2.  Having just put an ICD AdSpeed STE in my system and added a
floating point coprocessor, I was looking for a compiler that
would support using a 68881 as a peripheral, like the ST's do.
Does such a critter exist?  I tried Laser C which supposedly
has a library that supports this option, but noticed no time
differences when running with software emulation or the hardware
coprocessor (30000 adds, also 10000 sines seemed to take the
same amount of time either way).  I was hoping to see some of
the claimed 10x speedup in some raytracing software I was going
to port.

3.  I have some .TGA files on my PC that I want to convert to
PI3 (I think?  the monochrome one anyway) to use as backgrounds
on my STe.  The utilities I've tried (Chameleon on the ST--I
also looked at picswitch(?)--and piclab on the PC) don't have
compatible file lists.  Any suggestions on what utilities would
be the best to do this conversion, and pointers as to where to
get them?

Thanks,
Don Allison
don@cc.gatech.edu


					
					-Don Allison (don@cc.gatech.edu)
From: miked@syscon.rn.com (Mike DeMetz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PD CAD-package
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:23:44 GMT
Organization: Syscon Corporate Headquarters - South Bend, IN USA

dbruyne@reks.uia.ac.be (Karel De Bruyne) writes:

>Hi there,

>I'm looking for a small CAD-package for an ST. PD or Shareware if possible.

>thanks,
E. Arthur Brown is selling GFA Draft for $20.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 22:56:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65445@cup.portal.com> <268@artech.UUCP>

Clinton Keith writes:
 
>> Except that Darek neither sells, nor services the GEMulator.
>  
>Darek does sell the GEMulator.  He's coming to San Diego SDACE soon to 
>try to sell it.  I agree, he probably won't service it.  

>> That's being handled by an ST dealer..
>Which one?  I hadn't realised any were left.  Wasn't Quick ST sold and servi
 
Darek will be demonstrating the GEMulator, but the sales are
being handled by Purple Mountain Computers.  The info has been
available for some time now, both here and in the online
magazines..
 
Why would anyone at SDACE buy a GEMulator anyway..?

BobR
From: selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: auto program/acc selection
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:12:04 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

Is there some software that will allow selection of memory resident
and/or desk accessory files loaded into memory when booting (or which
files not to be loaded)?
From: maraninx@imag.fr (Florence Maraninchi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: help : several files with the same name in Gulam
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:29:55 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France


I have a problem with gulam.
Sometimes I have several files with the same name. 
ls gives exactly the same information for all of
them. When I remove one, the other ones remain.
Some of the programs I run under gulam seem to know about
one file only.

It happens with an editor and a Lisp interpreter.
I can give details to anybody who could help finding
the reason of this problem. Perhaps it's a known bug ?

FM
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Florence Maraninchi
maraninx@imag.imag.fr			      Tel:      (33) 76.51.49.15
LGI-IMAG Campus, BP 53X, 38041 Grenoble cedex, FRANCE
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 68040 accelerator board?
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:56:46 GMT
	<lafqubINN6fn@aludra.usc.edu>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <lafqubINN6fn@aludra.usc.edu>, Juxtaposer writes:
>In article <9209031931.AA15117@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Your Conscience <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>>Hello!? I seem to have missed something very important! There seems to be some 
>>talk about a 68040 board or upgrade or hack that can be bought/built for the 
>>Atari ST?
>
>	From the descriptions so far, it is a stand alone (a tower?) from
>the main Mega ST (only so far) that houses a 66MHz 68040 (way over-driven
>IMHO, put perhaps bearable if it has some INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH heat sinks
>and one heck of a fan - maybe liquid cooled :).  Perhaps more busses (I hope)
>and memory.  Supposedly runs at about 24MIPs.  I wonder if it uses a cache
>(outside of the onboard of the '040)?  Would really Haul A** with a decent
>(ie: 256k+) cache...
>
This make no sence! The 25Mhz version of the 040 does 20MIPS. If a cklock
frequency more than two times higher only yields 25% increase, I'd be 
realy disapointed.
No, the thing is that this processor actually runs at 33MHz, but it has a
onboard clock-doubler wich make the internal clock 66MHz. This is the same
trick as done on the Intel DXII processors!

-- 
  _______________________________________________________
 / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
/ Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
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From: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Marsupilami's private UUCP site - Palumbien, Germany.
Subject: Re: TT Unix ASV
Reply-To: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 17:17:50 MET

In <3576@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com>, Chuck Menard writes:
> Can one actually purchase it now?  
I leave The answer to this question to Atari Corp. :-)

> Is it for public sale or for developer's
> only? I'm am told by a local dealer that it's still for sale only for developer's
> here in the U.S.
The same as in Germany, currently. But I talked to the Unix guy of Atari Germany
at Atari fair who told me, that "...the official release will be available soon."
Whatever that means. They told about the same last year!
I can only recommend to keep your hands of ASV. It will not be supported by Atari
any longer, they came (inofficial rumours!) to the conclusion that Unix is not
Atari's market, so ASV is sort of a dead born child.

> The dealer did give me an expected price and it is outrageous.  
My opinion, too.

> I expected it to be expensive but not -that- expensive.  And I hope that 
> it will be available in color as I do not wish to pay more for a monochrome 
> monitor.
If you drop Xwindows you are able to use TT med. There's a commercial X driver
for color VGA TT, but it is included in a complete X server software set, and
they have not made any calculations about selling the screen driver stand alone yet.
The complete package would increase your price for several hunderd bucks...

But there's good news, too: Minix TT will (really!) be available soon. I think this
could be a much better solution for the TT than ASV.

Regards, Markus.

-- 
/dev                Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart
/usr/spool/mail     wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de
/etc/motd           >> Luck is believing you're lucky ! <<
From: karloey@aahs.no (Karl Anders Oygard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Multi-sync
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:53:29 GMT

Peter Delevoryas writes...
>Someone a while back posted info about hooking up a mulit-sync to an
>ST. I copied the article...
...
>He also said that the scanr rate of the monitor has to go down to 15.75
>for ST Low-Rez...

That sounds rediculous!!!

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From: Christian_Schorpp@tbb.maus.de (Christian Schorpp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: TBB.A118
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Hi !!!
o> TT unix ( not yet released), and the STT
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TT Unix is released here in Germany since about 8 months.

CIAO Chris :-))
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Thesaurus
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:40:59 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato) writes:

>I know of no PD or Shareware thesaurus.  If you
>want one you're going to have to shell out some bucks

Perhaps there is a public-domain thesaurus.  The "Project Gutenburg" has
made a Roget Thesaurus available on-line.  I'm not really sure what the
distribution restrictions are though.


--
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From: elendir@helios.enst.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Keywords: Up to you
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:46:08 GMT
Organization: Audio Fun Machine, France.


In article SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

-> It's cheap...

 And cheaper since the wreck of the US Dollar. Go and find a similar
machine for such a low cost. Don't forget, the 'PC Clone' computers
have reached their bottom price. They won't carry on the race because
otherwise Taiwan factories would hurtle towards their doom.
 What about the memory price, also ?

-> It'll run Spectre GCR I'm sure even if David Small has to hammer it into
-> it so there's no problem with a software shortage...

 I guess it will. With the new 1.44 Mb drive, you have no need for GCR, 
you can read MAC HD disks directly.

-> I'm a musician and that DSP is better than most samplers that cost
-> twice as much and I can even play tetris with it...

 The sound quality is slightly better than CD sound. And I don't know
of any low cost machine with a 16 bit dual 50 KHz DAC/ADC built-in,
32 megs DSP and private memory. With such stuff, it's easy to do 
speech synthesis, modem design, music processing, video computations
and the like. E.g : A 2 times 10 band graphic equalizer does only
require 50 % of CPU-DSP time at 50 kHz sampling rate...

 The video is not the top, okay. But still I like the 640x400 true
color mode. Don't forget this is a game machine, not a workstation. Sure
on PC's with 1-meg SVGA cards you can do better. But how many PC games
actually run in high rez ? Not many. At least because of that : when you
want many colors, you have to sacrifice rez... And the VGA cards are
slow, slow... not very great for animations.

-> As for serious computing, I laugh at anything under 10 MFLOPS but that
-> Falcon will make one hell of a word processor/synthesizer/video game/
-> terminal/graphics toy/Mathematica Machine.

 That's what it was designed for. And you can add extra power on the
expansion socket. I am considering at the moment to plug in a 96002 DSP.
That would be nice. You can also add cache RAM, or stuff like that...

-> I wish the Falcon had a faster CPU, but I'm sure that will be possible...
-> If commodore comes out with something better, then more power to
-> them, and less money in my bank account...  Apple or IBM release
-> a truly cool computer?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 There is more to come, more powerful... Still the CPU is not so bad, the
ratings are really good when compared to the old 16 MHz TT. 
 I suppose 486 PC machines are faster, in absolute. But they run such slow
softwares that, in the end, this makes little difference. The new version of
Windows will require, I believe, at least 8 Mb of memory... For what ? We do
something very honest with the new GEM and its 512 Kb...

 But for the moment, I think Falcon has the greatest quality/price ratio of
any machine on the market. 

 Buy it or don't, that's a personnal choice... But I think many people will
make up their mind quickly.

-- 

 In memoria di mori di Furiani.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Re: More TT030 help...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:46:11 GMT

>>Calamus can not use TT-ram.
>
>Oh yes it can! If you change the header Calamus will complain at startup (it
>believes it's been infected by a virus) but will work fine from then on.
>(The copy I have is a seconds hand copy of version 1.09(UK))).

Change the file name of the Calamus Application itself (same as you have to do 
if you pack or squish it), and it will skip that darn warning message 
completly...
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|-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...

  |||        - FRANK ZAPPA for president! "One of his best qualifications is
 / | \         that at least he won't take it seriously." - Jammer
From: Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Conference at GEnie 9/9
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 13:45:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Sep8.060839.4948@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Or if you are a GEnie user, Bill Rehbok will be on GEnie's Atari ST 
Roundtable on Wed. night at 6:00 Pacific daylight time. Most likely
the same information will flow.
 
$6.00/hr for the connect time while in the conference.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:52:21 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
>Hey, Kovarski - I'm sick of your sh*t - if i wanted to waste my time I'd
>reply to every one of your ridiculous posts, but for now you'll have to
>settle with this - shut up - if I wanted to hear more moronic Atari
>bashing, I'd hang out in amiga.advocacy..........
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>

You are? I am really happy for you. I have dealt numerous times with people
just like you and you know what - THEY ALL MAKE ME LAUGH!

Mark K. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Cal63 on Terminator...
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 02:30:08 GMT


The latest edition of Bill Aycock's calendar program, version 6.3, was
just released.  I've put it up at atari.archive.umich.edu, in
/atari/new/cal63.zoo.

As is typical, the database format has changed slightly.  As is also
typical, there's quite a few improvements.  This program just keeps
getting better!

Notables changes: (IMHO: Others might find some of the other changes
notable...)
(1) You can select more than one weekday for an event, i.e. - you can
have a class Mon. and Wed.
(2) Certain events can indicate Holidays.  Other events can be
cancelled/deferred based on the holiday.
(3) There's now a set of CLI options for those that run CalShow from a
cli.

Shareware that's well worth registering!  I've seen EXPENSIVE stuff on
PCs that's not nearly as nice as this...
-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
From: abaddon@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Errors when dumping EMACS 18.58
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:34:42 GMT
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 31 Aug 92 06:48:58 GMT, PAULETTI@biel.be.tech.ascom.ch (Pauletti Andreas) said:

>    First dump. Commandline: .\temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

>>Cannot open load file: loadup.el

I had similar problems when I tried to dump it. Sometimes I'd get it to find 
loadup.el, but it would then fail to find an (apparently) random file later on.
In the end I got round this by using a different shell (the somewhat brain-dead
Batcher (no offence Hisoft, the rest of the packages is superb) that comes with
Lattice C). Even dumping manually didn't seem to help. It looks as though (at
a guess) the dumping code in Emacs itself is broken, possibly its trampling
on the environment at some point, or possibly just overwriting its local copy
of where the lisp files are stored.

Kev
From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.tech
Subject: Bug in Lattice 5.5 rand() function (Not in 5.0)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:49:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

I think I have spotted a bug in the random number generator (rand())
of Lattice 5.5 which is not present in their earlier version 5.0.
rand() in 5.0 returns a long value with the range 0 to 2^31. RAND_MAX
is also 2^31. BUT in 5.5 rand() returns a long with the range 0 to 2^16
but RAND_MAX is still 2^31. Obviously this is wrong unless of course
I'm doing something wrong. I did check though the rand.o objects
from both 5.0 and 5.5 using omd (dissassembler) and found that
the 5.5 version was doing a 'clr.w d0; swap d0' before returning to
the caller which would explain why the top 16 bits are zero.
The rand() version from 5.0 doesn't do this. Anybody had any experience
of this? As a temp measure I've whipped out rand() from 5.0 and am
using it with 5.5. Hisoft are you reading this?

Herb
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Biological Sciences                              phone: +44 970 622353
Univesity College of Wales
From: svleest@jobim.crhc.uiuc.edu (Steve VanderLeest)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: HELP: Can't get gdb to run anything
Keywords: gdb gcc debugger GNU
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:11:44 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: jobim.crhc.uiuc.edu

I am having problems getting gdb, the GNU debugger, to work. 
When I compile a program for debugging and then use sym-ld to
build the symbol table, all is fine.  I then run gdb.  I can use 
"info function" to list all the functions in my test file.  
HOWEVER, if I then try to run the program, it exits IMMEDIATELY, with 
the message:

	Program exitted with status = -32

This happens regardless of how simple or complex the test program is.
What am I doing wrong?  I have noticed that if I use examine
to look at the data, it reports everything is 0.  Is this because
gdb does not actually load the program until you command it to
"run", or is this part of my problem?  I have the following versions:

gdb 2.6  Patchlevel 18
gcc 1.40 Patchlevel 2
gcc-ld and sym-ld Patchlevel 27
gulam cli

I used the following command sequence:

>gcc -c -g test.c
>gcc -o test.prg test.o
>sym_ld -r -o test.sym crt0.o test.o -l gnu
>gdb -e test.prg -s test.sym
*run


(where ">" is the gulam prompt, and "*" is the gdb prompt) and I 
get the error described above.


Any help would be greatly appreciated!

--
Steve VanderLeest	Center for Reliable and High Performance Computing
			University of Illinois	
...........................................................................
"...post this, post that.  Everything is post these days, as if we're all 
just a footnote to something earlier that was real enough to have a name 
of its own."  _Cat's Eye_
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca ( John Henders )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: PowerDOS Freeware?
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:21:44 -0700

In <1992Sep10.184903.8603@u.washington.edu>, Daniel Aylward writes:
>I read in the last AEO that PowerDOS is now freeware.  Does anyone know
>where I can get it?  I assume it's up on GEnie...  I don't have an account
>there.

	As a general warning, several people around here who have tried
this program have reported scrambled partitions and other hard 
drive problems. If you do try using it, you'd be wise to back
yp your hard drive first.



-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st