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From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:53:50 PDT

In article <1992Oct9.203619.25387@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rojohnso@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>
>Hey guys...
>            I was just wondering if someone out there could just get into more
>detail about what Tangerine Dream's sound is like?  Is it leaning more towards
>new age music, or to dance music??  Im aware that there are different degrees
>of ambient music, so I was just curious...Also, has anyone heard 808 State's
>newest single?? Ive seen it in the store, but never heard it.

	Their pre-1986 stuff I haven't heard... the 1986-present stuff is all
fluffy "new age"... if you happen to like that kind of stuff -- check them
out.

	As for the new 808 single, I like it... Reaper Repo isn't anything
special, but Nimbus is pretty cool, and even Timebomb can get you going
after a while. Much different than the older 808 stuff, but it is still
808 state-ish... I like it..

tfinn@crash.cts.com


Xref: sparky alt.rave:3729 rec.music.cd:6848 rec.music.misc:24872
From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Peace (was Re: Dissing Lazlo)
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:09:28 GMT
	<1b0nckINN998@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.

Hey boys, stop dissing each other. The net is the net and not the
REAL LIFE. 

Peace, Let's never forget to worship the net.
Ansgar
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From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Subject: Re: Review: Kaos Theory 4
Keywords: review
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:24:50 GMT

In article <BvsqDJ.M2A@csc.liv.ac.uk> markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark Rivers) writes:
>6)   4:00  3  M R M - Walking in Memphis (Club Mix)

what is this track like?  saw the 12" (it's domestic) but didn't want to
spend $5 on a record i haven't heard... mrm is an acronym for memphis rave
mafia, a name so absurd it definitely got my attention.

yours,m

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From: johnson@snake11.cs.wisc.edu (Kai Johnson)
Subject: Re: Song structure
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.003447.26061@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ndc@arrakis.engin.umich.edu (Andrew C Crosby) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct7.151000.14945@aston.ac.uk>, heneganj@cs.aston.ac.uk (Jason Henegan) writes:
>> 
>> Haven't you yet realised that rave music follows the same old four-beat
>> structure with the same old instruments?
>> 
>
>a. dance music generally follows a 4 beat structure for a reason: it's made
>   for dancing. if you don't like that then go buy a coltrane record and sit
>   at home. 
>b. i don't know where you get this same old instrument idea. samplers and
>   modern synthetic sounds are a lot newer then most same old instruments,
>   like your typical woodwinds and brass stuff.
> 
>> Sad.
>>        /\__ ___ ___
>>       //\_//\__/\__\
>>      //_///_/ /_/_	:Jason Henegan	
>>  /\ //\_/ \_//\___\	:heneganj@uk.ac.aston.cs
>> /_/// //_/_//_/_
>> \__\\/ \\__\\___\
>
>andy

Rave/Techno in general can't be judged on the same grounds as other music.
What ever else it is, it IS dance music. That's what the 120+ BPM drum track
is for.

If you really want to understand the structure of the music, look at how the
fans identify songs. Atmosphere, samples, catches. Check out the timbre and the
layering, and forget the other stuff. Personally, I don't think any other type
of music comes close to the feeling you get listening to a throbbing, pulsing
synth sound repeat for seven minutes. Listen to the texture.

I agree that by some standards, rave music may seem tedious. If you're going to
critique the structure of the music, do it in the right context.

BTW, at least its not the SAME OLD guitar, bass, drums trio that's made rock
music for the last 40 odd years.

-Kai Johnson
From: andym@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk (Andrew D Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: different SHAMEN
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:04:41 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

Well, moving away from the rhyming slang thread, I'd like to notify you about
a limited edition Shamen CD that was quietly released last week. It is called
the Face E.P. and features 8 tracks (four songs remixed twice - LSI, Spacetime,
E. Goode and Librae Sonari Dinarae (sp?)). Distribution seems to be aimed at
independent specialist shops priced around 5.49 (UK pounds).
	Obviously if you like the album you should like the E.P. and all the
mixes are exclusive to this release. Proceeds from the single are going
towards the Face magazine's "Save Face" campaign which is trying to
guarantee a future for the quality magazine after the Jason Donavon libel case.

Phorward.
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From: cacclin@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Cacclin)
Subject: Tech17 is here!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:47:05 GMT

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: FORTRAN 5 BLUES
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:24:19 GMT

In <Bw6zpt.JFE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs125b55@dcl-nxt26.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:
>Does anybody have Fortran 5's latest album, Blues?  If you do, can you
>tell me if it's good or not?  Your opinion of each song is appreciated.

It's excellent.  My only disappointment was that almost all the
tracks from the singles were on the album instead of other things. :-)
(like what's the point of putting the HP Saucey mix of Heart on the Line
on the album as a bonus track?  I thought it was supposed to be a SINGLE
bonus track, and so my single is all but useless).
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                                You'll have that
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From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Subject: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:01:30 GMT

In article <1911@sousa.ltn.dec.com> rodal@reznor.cmw.ltn.dec.com (A Software Hooligan) writes:
>
>Why should
>I bring a backpack?????????? (I have a feeling the world is laughing
>at me now)

Haven't you noticed that a lot of the rave crowd wears back packs while
dancing?  To keep water / clean T-shirts/ food / glow toys / flyers in?

>.........Actually I do most of my sweating at axis
>or Man-Ray (here in Boston) and D.J. Debo is the only D.J.
>that would probably be know about outside of this area, (I hear
>that he is good, but N.Y. has much better to offer).

Oh, you're in Boston?  You should check out the Loft on Friday nights.  It's 
around the corner from the HardRock Cafe, I forgot the exact address.  Techno 
on the second floor, spun by Mayhem, DJ Diabolical, and who knows whom else -- 
most of them much much better than (Lord) Debo.

As far as place to stay in NYC for less than $150/night, it's not so hard
on weekends.  I really don't know of any hotels in the Village area, but
if you can afford the Paramount (up in the 40's) it's a GREAT really cool
modern place.  A good thing to do is check out the travel sections in the
Sunday New York Times and Boston whatevers.  Hotels in other cities 
advertise their weekend getway packages there.  The rates are often MUCH
cheaper on weekends because all the business people are out of town.

Since you are in Boston (and this applies to anyone in the North Eastern US),
you MIGHT want to check out the ne-raves mailing list.  There you will find
discussions of raves, clubs, techno, and people all raving in the area.  Lots
of rave flyers get posted there too.  Average traffic is between 2 and 10
messages a day, and just anything related to raving in the North East is game 
for discussion.  To get on send mail to John, the adminstrator, at

	ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu

Include as many working email address as you have, because sometimes mail
bounces a lot and people can't get added if he can't find a working address
from silver.

Laura
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Future Sound Of London: Accelerator
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:41:34 GMT


jlacour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Lacour) writes:
>In article <&h31Hx-84a@atlantis.psu.edu> K6K@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Kin W Koo) writes:
>>In <1992Oct13.212840.11578@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu writes:
>>> The CD cover clearly says "Central Industrial"
>>Well, my CD cover says "Central Industrail"
>Mine says 'Industrial' also - I say children, what does it call mean?

Mine says "industrail."  It means that the album was reissued several
times.  Which it was.  In fact, my housemate's CD doesn't even say "future
sound of london" on the disc itself - it says "various artists"!!  My CD
*does* say FSOL on the disc.

As to the "industrial"/"industrail" debate, I think it's clear that it
should be "industrial."  After all, that's what the sample says, plus they
sampled huge wodges of Throbbing Gristle's CD1 (classic industrial music
originally published on the Industrial Records label).  Plus, the vinyl
record says "industrial."

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always note the sequencer - this will never let us down.

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From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud)
Subject: Re: Chicago Rave Scene/Milw Rave
Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Something fatal.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:39:21 GMT

Look, I really do not find the need to waste the space by echoing your post and
going through it with a fine-tooth comb.  In your reply, you stated that 
"Nobody was second guessing" me, yet then you stated that you merely offered
"possible translations" to my statements.  In addition to fitting neatly under
my definition of second-guessing, I really think it's a pompous and rude thing
to do.  What I still cannot understand is why you didn't just ASK ME about the
three terms, rather than offering your own (incorrect) interpretations?  I 
really don't see you upholding your great code of brotherhood in not giving me
a chance to explain before you offer your bigoted "possible translations."

Oh, and what is a toy?  Look in the mirror.

Peace to the rest of ya, but ol' boy gets the gas face.

=Jerry Dischler=|Little Fluffy Cloud|=disc@quads.uchicago.edu=
From: rodal@reznor.cmw.ltn.dec.com (A Software Hooligan)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:36:21 GMT
Reply-To: rodal@reznor.cmw.ltn.dec.com (A Software Hooligan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>> don't go to the limelight.  they still discriminate, from what i've heard.
>
>and they get too many tourists
>> 
>.
>.
>.
>.
>..and don't forget to wear a backpack ];)
>
>--Kreig
>raVinglunatick
>kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
>
Forgive me Kreig, for being a tourist (no offense) but Why should
I bring a backpack?????????? (I have a feeling the world is laughing
at me now).........Actually I do most of my sweating at axis
or Man-Ray (here in Boston) and D.J. Debo is the only D.J.
that would probably be know about outside of this area, (I hear
that he is good, but N.Y. has much better to offer).

So Clue me in??????

	(I don't wanna be a geek ;-)


		dave


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From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: raves in Philadelphia?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:22:57 GMT

In article <YXDRBZFY@cc.swarthmore.edu> dammira1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Nick A.) writes:
>These postings always sound so plaintive and pathetic. But anyway, I was
>just curious to see if anyone out there knew much about the existence of a
>rave scene in Philly. I'm pretty sure there hasn't been much in the way of
>SF-type stuff and I just wanted to confirm my suspicions that I'd have to
>travel to find something rave-like. But any input on local happenings would
>be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Nick
>i

There is a "Dead by Dawn" rave called Wonka on october 23, don't have the
flier with me so I'll post the number when I get a chance...

Its somewhere in philadelphia.


>
>
From: andym@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Andrew D Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: VERA LYNNS (RE: Was SHAMEN ON YOU)
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:30:46 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <1992Oct14.190106.612@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.161604.9479@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, archive@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> In article <1992Oct13.124106.4406@cs.hw.ac.uk>, censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn) writes:
>>> The current UK No1 is Ebenezer Goode by the SHAMEN. It has the following line in it :
>>> 
>>> 	"Has anyone got any Vera's?"
>>> 
>>> Obviously this is some sort of rhyming slang, but what? Vera Lynns? or Vera Duckworths or what? and what are they anyway?
>>> 
>>   Vera Lynns = skins (?) 
>That sounds good to me....BTW for the information of non-UK readers...
>(I may be insulting your intelligence here) skins are cigarette papers..

No No No!

Really it is Lynn's = gins
Mr. C ("that annoying little blond man") said in a recent interview, in Melody
Maker I think, said that everyone thought it was meant as slang for skins but
when he said it he meant gins but it along with salmon was a pretty throw away
remark and not supposed to overshadow what else the song says. Case closed?


Phorard
From: howeg@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Monty Mole)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: SHAMEN
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:22:21 GMT

>>>Loads deleted....

OK....My view for what it is worth....

Vera = Vera Lyns = Gins
Salmon = Salmno & Trout = Snout = tabacco


The version they did on Totp was the Jolly Roger Remix. It appears as
an instrumental on the 12"...errr track 3 side one

On The session they did for radio one the following is said....

"Got any underlay?"
-"Underlay??"
"Yeah this song is all about rugs innit?"


Monty.

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From: cep@sage.cc.purdue.edu (CRAIG PFEIFER)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Need help with these songs...please
Keywords: jump movement ottorongo
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:15:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1bdlsmINN4kl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bg349@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (L. C. Smallacombe) writes:
>
>Any help with these song titles would be greatly appreciated.
>Song #1
>Vocals go like this:
>     What do you say to the DJ?
>     Fu*k you!
>
>Song #2
>Vocals go like this:
>     Jump mother fuc*ker...
>     Jump!
   
    #1 Ottorongo - F*ck You
    #2 The Movement - Jump (Mother Mix)

      (both available on  'Rave til Dawn'
 

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From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt35.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Re: someone please clarify this...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:25:12 GMT

In article <slappy-121092163309@mac233.acns.nwu.edu>  
slappy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Don Rossi) writes:
> hey, maybe this is a dumbass question, but i'm a mobile dj who has been
> diggin the rave scene for  about a year and a half, since i snatched a 
> quadrophonia 12" out of curiosity. my question is this: are the terms
> "techno" and "rave" interchangeable when referring to the tunes? i've
> seen "techno" charts and "rave" charts posted side by side in the same 
> magazines, and have been corrected by attitude-toting record store  
clerks
> about my choice of terms. (clerks who, by the way, couldnt give me a
> straight 
> answer about the difference when i asked them)  Although the idea of
> labeling
> something as strictly "this" or strictly "that" perturbs me, im really
> curious
> about this little quandry  -  help me out.  thanx. 

"Rave" is a term for a dance party.  "Techno" is a type of music.
Therefore, "rave" and "techno" shouldn't be interchangeable.
You can play techno, house, or disco in any raves (depending on the
likes of the DJs).

Another related example is the terms "House Party" and "House music."
"House party" is, of course, a dance party.  "House music" is a type of
music.  You don't necessarily need to play house music in house parties.
You can play hip-hop.

If anybody thinks I'm wrong, feel free to clarify this.  Plus, I'm also
trying to define what's "Deep House."  From what I've been hearing for
years, deep house is disco (more oriented toward Black/soul; nothing
like the Saturday Night Fever).  Deep house artists include First Choice,
Gil S. Heron, and Diana Ross.  But, I've read a posting from someone
calling CeCe Peniston's "Finally" deep house.  I don't think so. Let me
hear what others think.

				Techno Houser
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:46:52 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.rave

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

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From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud)
Subject: Re: Chicago Rave Scene/Milw Rave
Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Something fatal.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:52:41 GMT

Another note:  When I refer to South-Siders, I refer to those from the FAR 
  South Side in Chicago.  It is predominantly Hispanic, not Black.  Using
  the "house party" analogy to Blackness is a vast racist assumption.  No,
  white people, Asians, those of Hispanic descent, none of those people have
  house parties, but because Spike Lee makes a movie called "House Party,"
  it's a Black thing.  You're wack.  And if you're going to dis me for being
  anti-Hispanic, think again.  I live in a predominantly Hispanic area on
  the North Side of Chicago.  I have a Mexican roommate.  I also have almost
  been shot within the last month by a Latin King.  There was a drive by 
  shooting on my block a month and a half ago.  I worry for my girlfriend, 
  who walks from her car to my house when she comes over.  We have a gun in
  the house for home protection.  Do not EVEN try to school me.  I speak
  from experience.  My prejudice against gang members and people who jock
  gangsters goes far deeper than a racial epithet.  It comes from the fact
  that they are doing something WRONG and they are DESTRUCTIVE to much that
  I hold dear, including the parties I am involved in promoting and also
  including my LIFE.

Off the soapbox.

=Jerry Dischler=|Little Fluffy Cloud|=disc@quads.uchicago.edu=

Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:08:59 GMT

In article <george.718484799@windslc>
george@windslc.seri.gov (George Scott) writes:
 
>djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e) writes:
>>In article <9227801.21982@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>>is?
>
>>       MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>>as Iggy & the Stooges.  Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>>punk.
>Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
>'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
 
That's OK.
Detroit rock radio stations that would never play the Pistols applied
the term retroactively to any old garage-band stlye music they felt like,
as if to justify their crappy programming practices.
 
>the White Panther Party which was headquartered on Hill Street in Ann Arbor.
>(Anyone remember Brother John Sinclair?)
 
Right, the working class hero that John Lennon wrote a song about.
He and his wife Leni became music promoters and made a living off of
poor struggling Detroit musicians during the 80s. How cool.
 
Ex-MC5 lead singer Rob Tyner was, I believe, a stock-boy at a grocery store
when he recorded a pathetic "comeback" cd. Shortly thereafter, the seriously
overweight legend died of a heart attack about a year ago.
 
I hear at rehearsals for his memorial concert, Ex-MC5 lead guitarist and
husband of "punk queen" Patti Smith, Fred "Sonic" Smith was overheard
asking another musician "how do you play 'Kick out the Jams' ?"
 
It's all true.
 
--Eric
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