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From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs (was Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkins?)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:33:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
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In a previous article, freshlt@quig20.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly) says:

>Cavs Possible Starters:		Another possibility:
>	PG - Price		- Price
>	SG - Wilkins		- ?????
>	SF - Nance		- Wilkins
>	PF - Williams		- Nance
>	C  - Douraghty*		- Brad
>	6M - Ferry, Lane ??? 	- Williams 

They tried the Williams Nance as starters at the same time before, and
it didn't work out too well. You forgot about Ehlo as back up to
Wilkens(Heck, Ehlo might even start in front of Wilkens). 

>*(I probably butchered his name but I can't remember how to spell it  -  
>SORRY BRAD!!!!!)

Daugherty.

>	Anybody have info on the Cavs' roster?

From memory, the Cavs Roster looks like this:
Guards: Mark Price, Terrell Brandon, Gerald Wilkens, Craig Ehlo, Steve Kerr
  and John Battle.
Center: Brad Daugherty, with Hot Rod Williams as backup.
Forwards: Mike Sanders, Larry Nance, Danny Ferry and Jerome Lane.

>SEASON OUTLOOK:
>	If everyone stays healthy (big IF!!!), the Cavs should finish with  
>about the same record (57-25, '91-'92).  I would love to be able to say  
>that, after playing behind both the Pistons and recently the Bulls, the  
>Cavs will finally break out and win the Central and make an appearance, +,  
>in the World Championships.  The Bulls, however, still look very strong.   
>The Cavs took them to six last year and with the addition of Gerald, the  
>coaching of Lenny, another good year out of Nance, who unfortunatly is not  
>getting any younger (2-4 more years, tops IMHO), consistent play out of  
>everyone else, and NO injuries (PLEASE!!!!) the Cavs should be right back  
>in the Eastern Conference finals fighting it out with Jordan and Company  
>again this year.  Look for seven games this year.  It should be a great  
>year for Basketball!

The question is staying healthy! That's been the problem for a number
of years now. It's amazing how the Bulls never seem to get hurt, of
course you get nagging injuries during the season, but Chicago never
seems to have a Major injury.. 

Alex

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From: MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS)
Subject: Re: Cavs (was Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkins?)
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.012840.29934@newstand.syr.edu>
bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight) writes:
 
>In article <98281@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>>
>>There should be a Webster available on Internet which would have NBA'ers
>>names. I am tired of seeing "Jerald Wilkens" and a new spelling each
>>time for Sarunas M. ( afraid of misspelling his name myself, even though
>>I would put it as Marchulenis, which is closed to the way his name was
>>pronounced in XUSSR).
>
>        Actually, it's pronounced more like Marshall-o'-nis.  If I remember
>correctly, it's spelled Marciulonis.  Or something.  I'd have to check my
>NBA Register for the exact spelling.
 
The one that really gets me is 'Jordon'.  I've seen that SO many times...
I mean, how could you miss that one...
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns anti-woof
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:54:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu) writes:
>It's useless to compare Chambers to Duckworth and Cartwright, because they are
>the two WORST centers in the league!!

They are also the two (starting) centers who made it into the Finals
last year.  There's something to be said for that-- i.e., that a
team with a center like Cartwright or Duckworth is not necessarily
doomed because of him.

>Chambers is a unidimensional player--take
>away his scoring and what do you have?

Ed Nealy.

>P.S.  If you want to talk about aging veterans, what do you think Charles Barkley
>is?  I'm a fan of his, but even he says he has only two or three good seasons
>left in him! 

Agreed.  The difference is that a guy like Barkley is probably worth
about 20 wins in the regular season, and two to four rounds in the
playoffs.  Keeping a Rambis or a Nealy now will only make a minimal
difference now (they'd probably spend most of their time at the end of
the bench), and hurt like heck two or three years down the line, when
Richard Dumas, Oliver Miller, and possibly even Brian Davis are shining
for other teams.

Tony
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics training camp
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvv4HL.799
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:

>Where did Battle go to school?

	Been watching any college basketball the past 4 years?  Kenny'
	Battle attended Illinois, where along w/ Nick Anderson (now w/ the
	Magic), Marcus Liberty (Nuggets), and Kendall Gill (Hornets), led
	them to the Final 4 in 1989, where they lost to eventual champ
	Michigan.

>>|STEVE SCHEFFLER - Bang, bang.  With Kleine and Barry, what do they want

>So why did the Celtics draft him?  Seems like an awful waste to me.

	The Celtics didn't draft Scheffler.  He's a free-agent invitee.
	Scheffler was originally a 2nd round draft pick of the Hornets
	2 years ago out of Purdue, where he as Big-10 POY.

	Jazzy J

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From: burt@zeus.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez)
Subject: Training Camp Addresses?
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:31:00 GMT

Does anyone have a list of the addresses where teams will be holding their
training camps and what day it starts??

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From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:03:14 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct13.031300.28690@cs.uow.edu.au>, u9148124@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Erik Ragland) writes:
> 
> 	How about Kevin Mchale hes been around ages and never makes 3's, ive
> seen him launch a couple too.
> 

	McHale is 39-139, .280 for 3-point attempts over the course of his
career. He was 0-13 last year....


-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Marlboro, MA
From: IO11087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Captain Reg!
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:16:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I read this morning in the local paper that Reggie Lewis has been named
captain of the Celtics.  To any true NBA fan, this will come as no
surprise, but it is nevertheless fitting that a man who so quietly
went about his business and waited for his time to come should be awarded
as he was.  During my break at work, I snatched a SPORT magazine off the
shelf for the sole reason that Lewis was on the cover.  In addition, there
was a great article enclosed that sums up his short career, and what can be
expected in the future.  The writer of the article makes a great point that
Reg is not a whiner or complainer.  Then I thought, and couldn't remember
a time I have seen Reg bitch or moan about anything.  He sort of reminds
me of Chief because he is a great guy off the court, but as soon as the
laces are tied up and the competition begins, it is all business.  He puts
on his Chief mug.  I'm just hoping that he's more like Chief than I imagine,
meaning that he could inherit Chief's endurance and maybe someday kick the
living excrement out of Laimbeer.   :)
Speaking of the Chief...it's gotten to the point during Celtics games that I
laugh whenever Parish falls down and clutches his ankle.  This in itself
is not funny, maybe even scarey, but he does it about 8 times per game and
always gets back up.

Do any Celtics faithfuls (or anyone else) know the Celtics' preseason schedule?
I haven't seen it in the papers, other than a brief mention in the Herald that
their 2nd game is in Pheonix on the 18th, which is this Sunday.  Thanx in
advance...

Any word on the retirement ceremonies of Mr. Bird?  I know it will be sometime
this season in a seperate ticket event, and not at halftime of a game, but I
wonder if a date has been set yet.  If so, please do tell.  I would love to get
tickets to that one!!!!
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:18:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: rti.1992Oct7.151813.24733
Distribution: na
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Oct06.174957.8949@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>>was a stick.  As an 18-year-old from Virginia, Moses was not the hulk
>>he was later in his career.

>Nor was he even the center, right?
>Who *were* the centers (for St.
>Louis and Utah?) when Moses played
>forward?

Well, I recently read Loose Balls (a history of the ABA), but it described
so many trades that I may be a little confused.  I think maybe Mel Daniels
finished his career with St. Louis when Moses was with them.
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:08:21 GMT

In article <Bw1E9n.n3o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>arwoo@athena.mit.edu (Albert R. Woo) writes:

>>Is it James Worthy?  Lately, it seems like he's been around 25%, and 
>>I think his early years were pretty abysmal.  It always looks like he's 
>>shot-putting the basketball when he shoots a 3...  I'm also guessing
>>that he's tried more than 100 attempts in his career...

>       Nope.  Sorry.  A hint -- the guy I'm thinking of has an abysmal
>       percentage.  We're talking seriously bad here folks...

Charlz Barklee? Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Mark Eaton? Manute Bol? Chris Dudley? 
Kurt Rambis? Jeff Malone? Moses Malone? Who? Who cares?


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: Re: Selfish
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:36:46 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.014555.20744@cs.ucla.edu>, lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.183156.27896@viewlogic.com> tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
|> >
|> >[...]  However, my comments were solely on Magic's selfishness to
|> >continue to play the game, even though he is endangering his peers.
|> >If others know they have the virus and continue to play the game
|> >and endanger their peers, I feel the same way about them.
|> >
|> >Tim Foster 
|> 
|> "However, my comments were solely on my own selfishness to
|> continue to drive my car, even though I am endangering my peers.
|> If others know they might cause accidents and continue to drive
|> and endanger their peers, I feel the same way about them."
|> 
|> "This is especially true since I'm not a complete ignoramus like other
|> people, and think that HIV is easier to transmit in a basketball game
|> than a car accident is to happen while driving."
|> 
|> - Trent Lange
|> 
|> -- 
|> *************************************************************************
|> *                             Bravo, Magic.                             *
|> *************************************************************************

Clever, very clever.  I guess this falls under the argument of
what is a necessity and what is a desire or want.  In my opinion,
Magic playing basketball is not a need, it is a desire.  If it
was necessary for him to continue to play basketball to live a 
normal life, then the story would be different.  However, there
are many former basketball players who lead very normal lives 
after they retire.  Why would Magic be any different?

As far as driving a car, it is a "necessary evil".  If Magic or 
anyone else would have to stop riding in a car, or any other 
form of equally dangerous transportation, their ability to 
live a normal life would be severely hampered.

-- 

Tim Foster 
E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: First Round Picks?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:19:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>It seems that some significant talents have yet to sign contracts.  Many
>said Laettner was brains VS Shaquille's pure talent in College,

Of course, the reason everybody said that is that Laettner is white
and Shaquille is black...  1/2 :-)

(Wow, starting this discussion before the season has even begun...
A new record?)

Tony
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: PACERS,PACERS,PACERS
From: jcrabtree@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:22:03 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <20673@npal.rn.com>, bramsey@npal.rn.com writes:
> IF anyone thinks the bulls are going to win another one your in for a shock.
> the Indiana pacers are going to have  a 65 win season and kill the bulls in the
> post season.
> 
> bramsey@npal.rn.com

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Uh, can I stop laughing now?  
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:04:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.142416.39433@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <ldlf7bINNia1@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 18648@random.ccs.northeastern.edu, dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling) writes:
>>> >> How about Kevin McHale.....never makes 3's
>>> However, I'm sure people in Detroit will remember Kevin making a HUGE 3
>>> in the '87 playoffs to send them home early....
>>
>
>As to Kevin's 3pt shooting... Going into last year, 
>he was a career 31% 3pt shooter.  That is better than such people as
>Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Tom Chambers, etc...  He is actually a fairly
>respectable 3pt shooter. That is, as long as he is wide open... :-)
>

Well, "can only hit the three when wide open" may be problem for
a shooting guard, but it's icing on the cake for a power forward.
It means a potential shot-blocker has to come outside and
stand near him, opening up the lane. Detroit's offense relied
pretty heavily on Laimbeer to hit those wide-open outside shots.
I wonder if we're going to see more big guys developing the 
stand-still three as part of their game. Charles Oakley has proven
that no defense is afraid of his jump shot--bystanders are 
another story--but he might be able to develop a no-jump three. 
If you're that strong, throwing the ball another few feet isn't
the issue, stability and accuracy are. 

Ken B.
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Miami Heat report
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:39:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallua.1992Oct15.143922.1
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1bhlb4INN3l2@travis.csd.harris.com>, lee@hcx1.csd.harris.com (Lee Brown) writes:
> I don't recall hearing if Jon Sunvold is in camp.  I think Isiah Morris
> is going to play in Europe, but I'm not sure (he might be in camp now, I
> haven't heard).  I do remember hearing that Morris did well in the summer
> league (as did Geiger).  I've probably overlooked some others.
Isiah Morris was traded to Detroit for John Salley. (Am I correct?)

> But I'll try anyway.  How about these starters and back-ups:
> 	C  Seikaly / Geiger
> 	PF Salley / Kessler or Askins or Ackles
> 	SF Long / Burton
> 	SG Rice / Miner
> 	PG Smith / Coles
Sounds good, but I think Coach Loughrey would put Glen Rice back to his natural
position at small forward, and put rookie Harold Miner at shooting guard. With
Grant Long still unsigned, Salley would hold down the power forward position.
Of course, when Grant signs, the line-up's shaken a little bit.

I think Kevin Edwards would make the roster, and Askins as well, due to savvy.

> Apparently, the word for the season is "defense", something that could
> certainly stand improvement.  But then, every team says they're going
> to improve their defense at the start of every year.  Adding Salley
> and Geiger should help, though.
I sure hope so! As usual, it's all yap, and I'm skeptical unless proven
otherwise.

Do keep us informed of any latest Heat news, because of where I live, in the
nation's capital, there's pratically no news of the Heat. :(
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUA (Bitnet)
11TELLIOTT@GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
From: zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazer Report
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:08:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: fasttech.1992Oct12.060812.770
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fast Technology

In <4284@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury) writes:

> Robert  Pack  [... remains unsigned ...]
>In one interview on  Tuesday,  Don
>Stukes (Pack's) agent said , "We feel like they're making  a major
>mistake not having a guard who can defend.  They want to use Terry
>Porter at the big  guard which  leaves Strickland playing a lot of
>minutes  at  the  point.  I  don't see how they can compete in the 
>Western Conference without a point guard who can stop people.  Rod
>Strickland can't do it because he's really has very poor defensive
>skills, and Terry doesn't have the speed.".

I wouldn't do the Blazers any good if they signed Pack and then Adelman
failed to take advantage of his defensive skills. Time and time again last
year Adelman didn't play Pack in situations when he could have used a
quick defender.

The Blazers have a pretty "dumb" team, in terms of on-court smarts. That
would be OK if they had a "smart" coach like Riley. What the Blazers need
most of all is a better coach.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:54:42 -0400 
From: Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lakers
	<1992Oct12.133758.1000@brtph560.bnr.ca>




To:
	Another poor fool who still believes in that waste of a team called 
	the Chicago Bulls...


	My dear demented individual, if you really and truly feel that 
	Chicago is going to get past the New York Knicks, let alone
	the L.A.Lakers, you really need to look at the rosters and the 
	NBA schedule this year.

	But don't worry, Jordan can always play golf while the Knicks play the
Lakers in the finals!


From:

	A Laker/Knick fan who is still laughing at everyone who 
	cannot see the forest for the trees in the West!


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*      KNICKS ALL THE WAY IN 1992-1993!!!!!!!!    *
*      RANGERS WILL BE STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!!!   *
*      I AM THE GRAND WIZARD MAGE!                *
*      "The road to nowhere leads to me...."      *
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From: VOX@gribb.hsr.no (Bakken, Brd Owe       7-95)
Subject: Magic
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:14:17 GMT


Magic is overrated. He's not even the second best player in the NBA.
(Now this should be an eye-opener!)
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:29:40 GMT


Is this gonna be a flame war?  Not if I can help it.

I wrote:
>>So even if your
>>scouting was close to perfect, a top-10 pick would probably be wasted
>>about half of the time!

kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>
>Wasted? Well, let's look at who those other 4-7 guys turn out to be. 

Okay, okay.  Let me go back to what I was trying to say.

I said that all-stars are rare enough that you cannot expect every
top-10 pick to be one.  And when I said "wasted" I meant -- if you
expect your top-10 pick to always be a great player, prepare to be
disappointed.

I did not intend to demean the playing quality or character of Charles
Oakley, or anyone from his family.  I *love* Charles Oakley.


--Gidi
From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: rec.sport.basketball.pro.celtics, etc
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:56:06 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Oct08.235303.42233@watson.ibm.com>, owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com writes:
|> Would anyone else like to see a separate group for each pro team?  I tend
|> to only scan this group for articles on the Celtics, especially when I
|> don't have much spare time.  
|> 
|> Do you think there would be enough traffic to warrant it?
|> Just a thought...
|> 
|> Dave Owens

What would the Kings and Timberwolves do?  Oh, I forgot.  There's Christian Laettner
for the Twolves :)

-Vach

-------------------
Lakers all the way!
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:09:34 GMT

In article <6068@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>
>This finally ends the tortuous relationship between the
>Bullets and Fatso. Its really too bad, but the speculation
>has finally ended. 

Wow...a gamble on the part of the Clips.  On one hand, you know Fatso was
on the verge of stardom when he went down a few years ago, but even if he
does come back, he's got to be way out of game shape.

>What's the word on Mr Potential 7'1" William Bedford? His 
>numbers looked liked 3ppg and 2rpg, not exactly stellar.
>How good can Mclean be if he's already been traded twice
>without being signed to a contract? Anyway, the Bullets
>got something for the Fatman.

Your last sentence is key.  Clips don't need McLean with Manning and Ken
Norman around...might as well trade for someone who can do something
differently than your starters.  Meanwhile, I'm sure Bullets management
is really happy.  First they got rid of Fatso...and they get someone who
can shoot as a forward (depth, remember they have none), and if Wes Unseld
can't unlock Bedford, no one can.  Remember, Ellison was classified as
the biggest #1 pick bust of all time until Wes had his way.  If Bedford can
even partly fill the duties of a starting center (10 ppg, 7-8 rpg), setting
Ellison loose on the power forwards of the league seems mighty good.