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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:08:39 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Tushar on the Ga

>Precisely why I said that liminal didn't make sense in context.  I still
>think the author was think about something to do with limn, perhaps
>emphasizing how the festival is strictly delineated from the surrounding
>non-festival behaviour.  If we knew what the author was trying to say
>we might be able to find an appropriate word...

Anyway, it's been decided now. It's a technical term from Anthropology.
And if you ask me, a very beautiful choice of a term too.

tushar
From: ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
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Subject: Re: California makes history!
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:53:51 GMT
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Posted on 6 Nov 1992 at 20:26:01 by LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
>to be broken and when President Bush was out here, apart from the rude hand
>gesture he made, he further upset our farmers by refusing to listen to their

What rude hand gesture? Under what circumstances?  How did I miss this?!

Karen
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Clear the air
Originator: rita@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:04:19 GMT

In article <9211130420.AA10100@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK> writes:

>Paradoxically, this means in fact that she remembers most clearly where
>Rita got her nickname, and I suspect it has little to do with this list.
>
>Though I could be wrong on that :)

	You are.  
	Shall I relieve the suspense?

	Anne Haycock first called me "Czarina Rita" when Rod Kessler
and I were arranging the very first Pre-Clam Slam at the Cambridge
Brewing Company.  This is the very event where Mama Judith earned her
Leather Mama appelation by showing up decked out in Harley duds
complete with a helmet stating "I know Jack Shit."

	How soon you all forget!

	I also remember how Brad became List Uncle, but I'll leave
that for another time.

Czarina Rita


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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Danger

D'accord, dear lady!  It grieves me to witness what should be a forum for
discourse, i.e. the Blue Moon Salon, uh, I mean Saloon, descend to the
<subterranean> level of ad hominum attacks.  We're better than that.  At
least I choose to think so...

John "Disagree without be being disagreeable" W.
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:27:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: When gods die

> If there is a fundy Orthodoxy, it will only be as an adjunct to
> nationalism.

Blomberg, is the Russian word we render as "Orthodoxy" _pravoslavie_
(literally truth-glorifying?)  If so, isn't "fundy Orthodoxy" a
redundancy repeated?

Steve Karlson

There's a reason Dostoevsky named the ax-murderer Raskolnikov.
From: TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 01:25:09 GMT
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From:   St. Mary's Academy-Bay View, East Providence

Let's book, let's bail            Let's get out of here
Ex-Lax                            Stupid, slow
Her true blonde is showing        She's stupid
Blondie                           Someone stupid
Dexter, genius                    Someone smart
Cha                               That's great
Attachment, other half            boyfriend
cool, wicked cool, nifty, neato   good
rents                             parents
hurl                              vomit
jet                               go
how's it hanging?                 how's it going?
let's pig                         let's eat
'Ho                               girl who sleeps around
He's an alternative               He's artsy or different

-------------------
From: Cranston high School West

Burff, sped                       stupid
dope                              cool, in
cheesy, crispy                    not cool
bud                               friend
it, husband                       boyfriend
butt, fugly                       ugly
confussed                         confused

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From: Bishop Hendricken Hish School, Warwick

A house                           somebody small and wimpy
big                               tiny
Dexter, Dextorian                 Smart person
Dope, fly, flavor                 good
word                              I understand
Wigger                            A white guy trying to act black
yo yo yo                          A way of getting someone's attention
Bust this                         Listen to this
Trippin' me, frontin' me          Lying to me
Tard                              Stupid
What's up, G                      What's going on
Lame, tired                       Boring
butt                              ugly
buzzin' feeling nice, soarin'     drunk
From: ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
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Subject: Re: Wayward Pulpit
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:42:00 GMT
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>>Keep the tail. It gives you a certain character between the Harley-Davidson
>>rider Hippie with a touch of Jerry Garcia. Looking like all others
>>is no fun. Are you keeping the beard ? Men and maybe women in Words-l must
>>have beards. It is sorta part of the look.
>
>The tail is optional. The beard is non-negotiable.
>
>love, judith, with non-optional pigtail

Maybe we should just start a biker gang.  Harley Electra-Glides.
Leather jackets with the T-shirt logo.  Black leather jackboots.
Judith, you wear just ONE earring, you put on the shades, and you
become Leader of the Pack, followed by a buncha hairy guys with Ph.Ds.
We can tell everyone you're the primatological answer to Camille
Paglia :-).

Ken
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:09:21 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Pleasant forename
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A letter writer to the campus newspaper this week signed (her?)self:

        Ebonique

Wonder if this will get through....

brad
UUCP Corps
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:20:57 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: amendment 2
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:Go ask a biology professor.  I think it's a science, and I'm no scientist.

:>religious organisation researching this?  To prove it's genetic, not

:As far as I know, it isn't.  You're being deliberately dense as far as I can
:tell.  The Moody people are theologians - you need one of those too, to answer
:the question Jim asked.  The institute's in Chicago.  I'm no expert on either
:subject, and won't try to answer the question for that reason.
...
:Isn't this putting the cart before the horse?  At best they'll probably only
...
:I knew it!  Sooner or later, this one was going to be dragged in.  Graham,
:you're being insulting again.  I know a lot of people on both sides of the
:fence, pro-choice, pro-life, whatever, and the holier-than-thouest of the lot
:are all pro-choice.  There probably are some total jerks on both sides, so
:don't give me that.  You know better.

Right, so what you're saying is you refuse to state your moral beliefs
or how you would act in a given situation because that situation does
nt currently apply?  To quote the slick politicians, "I refuse to answer
hypothetical questions"?  As if the whole of religion isn't hypothetical.

I've asked specific questions of You, ruth Hanshka, and your equivocation
is doing nothing bar confirm my fears that you're a homophobic bigot.

:Who is "these people"?  I think you're confusing Christians with Nazis.

Usually the suggestion that XYZ is like Nazi Germany is a sign that the
discussion has gone completely overboard, but in this case it isn't.
People are being discriminated on account of their birthright, just as
in Nazi Germany.  There is a large rightwing organisation proselytising,
just like in Nazi Germany (except with better tools and media access).
These viewpoints are being put over in a way that appeals to otherwise
middle-of-the-road people, just like in Nazi Germany.  If they aren't
stomped on, *hard*, now, your country is going to get progressively
more run by the Religious Elite who pulled Reagan's strings for years.

At the moment you're lucky - you've had a respite and a chance to reclaim
america for the moderates - but if you sit on your butts you'll only
have yourelf to blame in 20 years when you look back at how the
Fundies gained control of American politics and say to yourselves
'but how could we have known how they'd turn out?' ... just like
in Nazi germany.

G
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ((Agnes Kruchio))
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Subject: Re: I Missed the Fun!
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:24:34 GMT
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              92 7:21 am

>
> By being set on NOMAIL (good thing I was, account would have been blown
> out of the water),

(mine already has been -- sort of ...now I am trying  to clean up...)

and not being able to reset to mail (some link at CFR
> is down ...which may also prevent this post from going out :-()
> Anyway, just a couple of comments based on Saturdays mail ...and haven't
> even LOOKED at Sunday's yet!!!
>
> re Old computers:  Frank hit the nail on the head...those old computers are
> all but worthless.  A few years ago my son bought a very large system, about
> 10 disk drives, CPU, etc for about $50.  Everything worked...except he did
> not get any manuals, etc, and could not crack the system or passwords to
> do anything with it.  But he got far more than $50 worth of parts!

So they are hardly "WORHTLESS"! With a little ingenuity, these parts
can go a long way in places where none are available..
A
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Did prop. 9 fail in oregon?
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:48:48 GMT
Organization: nope


Fla had about 9 propositions, but none of them dealt with homosexuals
as far as I could tell -- unles you count the one about<term limitation,
or the <cap> on <property assessments>. 

--bayla
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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Posted by Agnes Kruchio

>> OK, you prig Agnes, in English we have an indefinite article. The fact that
>                                 ^^^^^^^^
>                                     ????
>
>Are you for REALLY for real?
>It is obvious that you have practiced mugging and heavy handed
>thuggery on some other lists, but the flames on this list have
>require at least *some* element of finesse. The thickness
>of your synapses just will not do. Do go away and come back when you
>have grown up some. Take several lifetimes, if you need to, do.

Agnes, I had not been sure until now that you _weren't_ a native speaker, and
then it is only an assumption based on my inability to interprete this any
other way.

One of the great strengths of English as a literary language is it's amazingly
high level of built-in ambiguity. However, it is precisely because of this
ambiguity that we all--native-speakers and non- --have to not just assume the
default meaning of anything we read here, and make sure that they're isn't
another meaning we are missing.

"We" can mean "multiple I's", Agnes, but it can also mean "you and I both".

b. "calmer after some sleep and some coffee" c.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Grungy city
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:37:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM () says:

>>As I think I've mentioned before on this list, driving south on Lakeshore
>>Drive in Chicago at night, just north of the big curve, the sight of the
>>lights, especially the Drake Hotel, is almost orgasmic.
>>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>I agree it's a beautiful sight, Natalie, but how do you keep
>control of the car at a time like that?...
>
>Ken <just wondering>
>
Go Greyhound.:-)  Or carpool it....

	Ruth
	
-- 
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From: MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Michael E. Macmillan)
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Subject: RE: Mechanics of Response Style
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>It's an old habit some of us who had/have limited space inside a
>reply got into.  Shall those of us who were so cruelly handicapped
>in our youth [well, relative youth] attempt to break the habit?:-)
>
>               ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

If Natalie can go so far as to start a new mailing list to help
break her evil habits, you should be willing to put forth the minor
effort necessary to overcome this small afflication.  Give it a
shot.  We're rooting for you.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Establishment (was legislating)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 05:50:55 GMT
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>>>Ask Ruth what the policy would be in her church, and whether its
>>>established.
>
>> Is this another flame-bait question Graham, or are you serious.
>
>Give it a rest, Ruth.  I used the term "established" in a very precise

I'd love to, but the question of local policy does interest me.  

>way.  It refers to a church that is the Official Church of a State.

Which we ain't got, of course.:-)  Well, maybe if you count the
Treasury Department....

>"Antidisestablishmentarianism" refers to a doctrine supporting continued
>establishment of an Official Church.  Such fights can be rather bloody,
>which is why our Framers ruled out establishment almost from day one.
>
Now there's a word for a bunch of wordies!  Just dissecting the sucker should
keep some of us out of trouble all week.:-)

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:39:53 -0500
From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pleasant forename
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Brad comments:
>> A letter writer to the campus newspaper this week signed (her?)self:
>>
>>         Ebonique
>>
>> Wonder if this will get through....

Looks like it already did if it was published

>> brad
>> UUCP Corps

Can't wait for next week gleanings -- but the usual unix meaning of uucp
(unix-unix-copy) doesn't work here somehow -- or is my mind not on the
right wavelength?

Joan (jboor@cs.umb.edu)
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Subject: Orza questions
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>Speaker:  Gene Orza, Associate General Counsel, MLBPA.
>Topic:  "Salary Arbitration: What Nobody Ever Tells You"

	Here are a few for you:

a.  How much use is made of the SABRmetric stats (OBP+SP, DA, adjusted ERA,
park effects, etc) in arbitration?  On which side?

b.  Does the player's agent or team rep change his types of arguments (or types
of stats to be used) based on the identity (and baseball-familiarity) of the
arbitrator?  How are arbitrators chosen?  Do the two sides have any say in the
assignments?  How long in advance is the specific arbitrator for a specific
case known to the two sides?

c.  Seeing how the current arbitration system has contributed to the labor
friction and financial problems of baseball, would the MLBPA be amenable to
changing it so that the arbitrator could award the player a salary midway
between the two sides?  Would they be willing to limit salary comparisons used
as evidence to just other arbitration awards, rather than to contracts arrived
at outside the arbitration system (e.g. Andy Van Slyke's)?

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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:11:35 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: 16 Tons
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>    I was raised in the [cane break] by an old [mama ?ine]
                          cane brake                  lion

> Is cane break (if those are correct words) what's left after
> cutting sugar cane? If so, this would imply that the miner was

It's a clump of cane of any kind.

> the cause of his leaving home? When he "walked the line," does
> that mean he "walked up (or down) the railroad tracks?"

Isn't it kind of like "toed the line"?

>    And the [stawk] boss said, "Well bless my soul!"
              straw

Sort of an "assistant" boss?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)
              12 Nov 1992 21:39:30 EST from
              <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>

>> Oh, you floccinaucinihilipilificatrix you!
>> G
>
>Help, someone with a better vocabulary than me (or with access to an OED,
>Marty?)!  What does the above mean, please?  The <at-hand> AHD doesn't list
>it, and neither does the on-line webster.  I like to understand the name
>I'm being called.  :-)
>rashmi

   Someone who renders something worthless.  (RH2)

   brad
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From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Trademarks for Eunuchs
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>	>Reason for failure:
>	>	remote system can't create temp file
>	>	remote file system is low on free space
>
>	...and laugh at them for their true ineptitude.
>
>Someone should tell them that it puts Unix(tm) in a bad light and
>brings down the name of the product, thus greatly reducing their
>chances in the suit against BSDI where they said that BSDI calling
>their system Unix was degrading the value of the trademark -
>doesn't stand up in court if already degraded :-)))

Why Graham, I'm SHOCKED!:-).  First, it's full-caps UNIX (rg), and it
always _has_ to be followed by something like "system," "software,"
etc.  Half the people who write for the AT&T Technical Journal don't
know that, and they all work for AT&T...tells you something about how
well we communicate decisions around here, who listens to our Perry
Mason Legal Department, etc.  It is probably no secret to you that
AT&T's toehold in the computer hardware and software business has been
about as successful as Sean Penn's marriage to Madonna.  They've been
trying for years to figure out what to do with the "U-word" operating
system since it was invented as a research tool by guys trying to do
something else, and nobody can quite deal with the idea that System V
doesn't seem quite as flexible as the UCB flavor.  With fading
prospects in most areas, a suit against BSDI--years after AT&T was all
but giving the system away to universities like UC-Berkeley--falls out
as two applicable cliches: they are either locking the barn door after
the horse has escaped; or they are down to their last out with nobody
on in the bottom of the ninth inning, and are trying to get on base
anyway they can.

In any case, the sorrowful display of error messages you were treated
to earlier today (and it may not be over yet) may suggest to the
outside world why people who work in or for AT&T make its lousiest
customers.

Ken
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Subject: coda
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:16:37 GMT
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I just want to share my agreement with Anne and Bayla on being tired of the
brief flurry of vitriol, and that Ruth, Jim and Graham all overreacted (I leave
myself out because it is too subjective a call), and in overreacting, all did
serious damage to the arguments I think they wanted to make.

At this point I only want to make a couple of clarifications. First, I don't
think that anyone would want Ruth to condone that which she cannot. The depth
of her faith is obvious, and deserves our respect. The question posed by the
referenda in question, however, was not to condone, but whether the damning
should be rendered unto Caesar, or unto God. If it does not harm anyone else,
should people be denied the choice of their own salvation however they may see
it, the pursuit of their own happiness, so to speak. There are many things
people do which disgust me, from the trivial to the monumental, but I cannot
deny them their right to do so unless they try to impose it on me.

Secondly, Ruth, to calm your fears: The very first words to the very first
amendment to the, IMHO, greatest achievement of Western civilization (along
with Beethoven's Ninth) read:
          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
          or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
So the reason there is no law in the books guaranteeing freedom to religious
sects is that it is written already on the front cover.

Lastly, was it only on Brown's reader that Bayla's mention of <vomiting> was
immediately followed by two more UUCP notices? Coincidence? I think not.

                  blomberg cepeda      st402747@brownvm
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Ack-Ack-a-Dack

//anne, grand pooh-bah a` la flintstones//

Great episode.  Struck a blow for women's lib, too.

Steve Karlson

Is the story about the reporter who crashed the Shriner's Parade with
a "Past Participle" placard on his dashboard an UL?