Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
From: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:50:32 GMT
Organization: Telerama
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Rene Walter (renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl) wrote:
: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader) writes:
: >Fuck MODS, FUCK Soundblaster, REAL PRODUCERS USE MIDI. If you aren't
: >willing to invest in a good MIDI setup then don't bother producing
: >anything unless its just for you and your friends to hear. Not one techno
: >or rave record to date was made from a MOD or Sounblaster file.

: I'll repeat it...

: Have you ever heard of the CHART(!!!!) song from Urban Shakedown,
: called "Some Justice"???
Yeah, I have it.
: This was made using ONLY 2 amiga's, a mixer, a zoom 9030 effects processor
: and a DAT to record it on.
Only 2? Only two to get 16 voice polyphony and 4 outputs? Wow I only need
one Ensoniq EPS. Imagine That! : Now let me see how YOU prove that it isn't
possible!!!!!!!!!!!!
: (Though the quality of the ORIGINAL 2 TRACK 12" isn't excellent, the
: quality of the remix 4-trak and the german CD5" is good).

: >Forget it sell that nubius 
: >card and get a REAL SAMPLER. 

: Why in god's name get the Akai S01 so you can sample a quality that's
: "Even better than CD quality"???
: Since most house records contain samples from which at least 90% is
: from a analog basis!!!!!
Never mentioned the Akai SO1. I believe it is garbage. As for why have a
good quality sampler to reproduce Analog sounds? Because ALL sounds are
analog whether they are generated from a Digital Synth or an old Moog. To
reproduce them with any resemblance to the original takes a good
sampler Period, no ifs, ans, buts, mods, or Amigas will change that.
>There is NO SUBSTITUTE for an S-1000.

: Not even the Roland sampler (which some claim to be BETTER than the
: S-1000????
The industry standard to shoot for is the S-1000, I however couldn't
afford one so I bought an EPS. Another good qualty sampler that "gets the
job done".Which Roland are we talking about anyway? Roland made a ton of
samplers. Not all of them that good.
  
: >I'm not flaming, just
passing on this knowledge in hopes of more people : >producing good music.

: Let me get this, so people without EXPENSIVE equipment CAN'T make
: good music???? Where are your brains!!!!
Expensive is relative. I think Technics SL-1200's are expensive for
something that plays records. However if you ask any DJ they will tell you
if you're serious you will get two 1200's as they are the STANDARD
whereever you go. This is what I meant when I said help people who want to
progress with their tracks and take them beyond the "messing with sounds"
stage. The Akai S-1000, expensive as it maybe is the industry standard. I
don't have one but would like to. Right now I get by with a 13bit Ensoniq
EPS with 2 Megs and soon a Hard Drive. This sampler cost me $900 U.S.
Expensive? Maybe. The cost of two Technics 1200s or about 1/4 of what an
S-1000 would cost. It's all relative. What do you ultimately do with your
creation should determine your equipment purchaces not because someone
says, "I use this, and that". For those who want to "mess with sound" get
an Amiga. 8 voice polyphony and 8 part multi-timbral is fine for that. If
you want to put out a quality vinyl release I suggest a basic MIDI setup.
I  would tell you also to buy what you can afford and try to get the stuff
used.
   
: Would ANYBODY buy $25000 worth of equipment, only to find out after some
: months that they can't make music???? (Though people nowadays seem to
: like everything, Even POING!! or ALLES NAAR DE KLOTE).
No, I would say anyone doing that has more money than brains, wouldn't
you? Some people will always like "everything" because usally they have no
taste. I started with a little $200 drum machine. This was enough to get
me started in the direction of the music I do now and it had MIDI so I
could use it as part of a bigger setup I ultimately got once I KNEW what I
NEEDED. And once I KNEW I COULD MAKE MUSIC. 
Let the bass kick... :  (Hmm, this seems to be causing early demention)
Not sure why...

: And I think I'm probably flaming here...
Ah, we all tend to sometime. I think you should read that message by John
Ashton that precedes this one if you haven't already done so.

: But now let's end this thread, and just continue on ways of using computers
: to make music...
Yeah, using MIDI of course :)

:  +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
:  |        Rene Walter          |          renew@stack.urc.tue.nl           |
:  +-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
:  | "In a musical way, I must admit that Belgium is one of the flattest     |
:  |  countries, though Holland has proven with "POING!!" that they can      |
:  |  make it even flatter..."                                               |
:  |                                          - Frank de Wulf (in Rif Raf)   |
:  |                                                (Belgian house producer) |
:  +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
-- 
Let the bass kick...