From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: Russians Release '69 KGB Blackmail Film of Clinton in Drug Orgy...
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:41:00 GMT

niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
>

>B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (STEPHEN TICE) writes:
>>

>>Since Brave-Bill isn't telling one way or the other, why 
>>shouldn't I believe he's been compromised??
> 
>He hasn't said a word about aliens, either, but that doesn't mean 
>he's from Mars.  Why *would* you believe he's been compromised?

First off he won't offer any reassurance about the matter.

Second, he stood out: He had political aspirations, he was a 
 Rhodes Scholar, and he lived with others who had left their  
 country and protested it's policies publicly. 

Third, He was willing to go to Moscow and Prague -- on his 
 own -- and in the dead of winter. (What was so compelling?)

Fourth, he's a socialist, and more open to marxist ideals.

Fifth, there are historical precedents of greater Soviet 
 penetration of the British Universities.

Sixth, I always weigh in the risks of a worst case analysis,
 though improbable, rather than ignore them.

>Better question: why would anyone trust ANY politician?

Good point. Will he sign a pledge to cut the deficit in
half in the next 4 years or resign? I'd prefer a legal 
contract frankly.

>>Bill Clinton's background and personality fits a pattern
>>that foreign intelligence agencies would have tried to 
>>exploit. Why should I believe they didn't -- if he won't
> 
>From your vast experience in a foreign intelligence agency?  
>Are *you* really a KGB agent, Steven?  

Double agent if I am.  Vote for me, instead of Clinton.

>Trying to confuse us into voting for the
>guy who's going to destroy our country, Ross Perot?

I'd be just as happy if you voted for Marrou. Most of 
my votes will be libertartian. I'll vote for Perot for
President that's true.

I have changed my mind since the last time I considered
the question, If there were only the choice between 
Clinton and Bush -- I'd vote Bush now. In fact if it were
a vote between Clinton and <pick your favorite socialist>,
I'd vote against Clinton.

>>tell us about his "vacation" from Oxford to Moscow and
>>other parts of the Soviet Union?? Especially, when it was
>>known he had a problem with US policy which he had
>>protested at Oxford, and that he had future political aspirations? 
> 
>Um, by 1969, millions of Americans had a problem with US policy.  
>Why is this surprising?

From an intelligence standpoint, it makes him exploitable.

>>IF IT WAS JUST A VACATION -- THEN WHY NOT TELL US ABOUT IT?
> 
>Tell what?  He said he went there.  What else is there to tell?

What sights did he see? Where'd he visit? Was it 3rd world,
or did he take the Potemkin Tour? You know, as a tourist,
what was the trip like? Easy questions. Why wouldn't anyone
be happy to answer?

>>Was Clinton particularly susceptible due to his idealism,
>>and the notoriety of being a Rhodes Scholar and an anti-war
>>activist? How about his ego? With the way he's tried to 
>>appeal to everyone now, isn't he particularly vulnerable to
>>exploitation, even without considering his desire to be 
>>president? How can I know? If he wouldn't stand beside his
>>countrymen and fight with them, and instead would criticize
>>them from abroad -- why should I give him the benefit of the doubt??? 
> 
>This is a new one.  I'm not a Clinton-basher, but to say that he has
>"idealism" is like saying that George Bush tells the truth.  

So why'd he bother to protest at all? Your probably right though he
did that only half-heartedly.

>Millions of other people wouldn't fight with their countrymen in a place
>we shouldn't have been either.  Bill Clinton didn't criticize the
>countrymen who were fighting.  He criticized the *war.*

And wouldn't even fight side-by-side with them *against the war*, not in 
a leadersjip capacity anyway, preferring to "just go and watch" the
demonstrations. (According to his apologists.)

>What exactly do you want him to tell?  Where were you on January 17,
>1978, Steven?  

I'd have to look at my letters for the exact day, but its an easy
question. I was at Windsor Locks Conneticut, outside Hartford. Working
11, 12, and 13 hour shifts learning about Uncle Sam's Military Nuclear
Power plants. Quite unpleasant getting back & forth to work I might add
due to the snow, and sometime blizzards. Curious place Hartford, at the
time to use some of the inner city highways you had to go passed signs
proclaiming "Use at You Own Risk -- Hiway Condemned." They were always
packed though. And they used to "roll-up-the-sidewalks" early about 
9:00 pm, which I found quaint for a big city area.

Shall I go on? I can talk about first learning to cook lobster there.
(The humane was is not to kill it with an icepick ;-).

>Why won't you admit you were being recruited by the KGB,
>Steven?  Go ahead, admit it.  Why won't you tell?

Alas, I'd already been recruited by Uncle.

Oh yeah, Reason # 7 to be Suspicious of Clinton:

    == He didn't find it funny. == ;^)

>David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
>niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner

-- Stephen Tice    Arlington Texas    10-10-92
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