From: ntran@danang.East.Sun.COM (Nhon Van Tran - Sun ECOPS IR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Spratly Islands
Date: 29 Jul 1992 18:53:31 GMT
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 My Dear friends,
 
 After seventeen-day war between China and VC,  VC claimed it
as great victory of defending the fatherland. China claimed it had
gave VC a dam good lesson for betraying the big brother. However, several
international magazines had doubt about that and some even went further 
by concluding that indeed China herself was the one who leanrned the 
lesson. 
  Nowadays, everything has been changed, VC politically and millitarily
is no longer in position as  they was in 1979. Some times, I still 
wonder how 1979 Chinese invasion seen by a Chinese. I accidently read
the following post from SCC and understand that under the brutal 
domination of communism, no matter where they live, who they  are, 
the oppressed people always share a same aspiration for freedoom, justice
honesty as well as a same bitterness and hatred toward communism. 

 I forward this article to SCV with Dan-Jong 's permission .

 Tra^`n Trung -Da.o

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From danjiong@cc.utah.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 79 war against Vietnam (Re: No Dogs or Chinese)
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The ultimate goals of 79's invasion, from my understanding, were 

     1). to punish Vietnam's betrayal behavior ( sided with Russian) 

     2). to prevent the falling of Pol Pot's regime, the bloodiest
     government in the modern history (German only killed Jews
     and other nationalities. But Pol Pot genocide almost one third
     of his own people, an estimate of one million within four years.)

     Of the result, Whether PLA should claim a victory or not, I do
not know. Definitely the war was not justified.  

     One justification of the action  CCP gave to its people at the
time was that Vietnam was purging Chinese.  The truth is that
Vietnam Cong was copying the CCP's socialism reform of the early
50's. That is, equalizing the social wealth among all the classes. In
consequence, many  Chinese, assumably relatively rich, had to fled
from the liquidations. Our own socialism reform claimed millions of
lives (in 3 fan 5 fan), why should Chinese government cared about
Vietnam's action to wipe out the bad elements ?  In addition, as
pointed out by one netter, Our people's government did not even
bother to say one word about Cambodia's killings of their Chinese. 

     Remember, Vietcong only wanted these guys' assets, Pol Pot
also wanted their lives.  

     Therefore, That was a war about the Face. 

     Did the action accomplish its goal ? I doubted. The war did not
bring our friend+brother back from Russian, nor did the war even
slow down Vietnam's pace of occupying Cambodia. Yes, we did have
a big victory.  A 100,000 plus troops, jointed by two military regions,
had advanced deeply into Vietnam about 20 some miles. Our Iron
Great Wall had killed most of the encountered Vietnam boarder
militia and defeated the only regular military division Vietnam dare to
( or bother to ) send in the front ( in the so called LiangShan Zhanyi). 
 On the top of all that, we have blown up all the  factories, schools,
farms, mines, rails, houses, whatever we could find in that 20 some
miles region. As put forward by our PLA hero's in his national tour to
bluff the victory: " Any construction that is one meter above the
ground has been eliminated. That is our punishment to the little Ba". 
I was thrilled with joys when I read and heard of all these ( From the
Big Reference News, which was circulated within CCP), Well, I was
only a teenager then and did not fully understanding meaning of
"disgrace of human race".  

  It is understandable that SCCers like to enjoy the image of a strong
China, with an almighty PLA, stands up on the top of the world. But
reality is the reality. Here is another related issue:

    It has been a puzzle to Chinese why our dear PLA did not utilize
the air force and navy to help the foot soldiers to ease the tension in
those hostile hills. Some have rationalized the reason with the threat
of Russians. That is not true, or at least is not the whole picture.
During the 17 days fight, Russian's military even did not put on the
alert. ( One HongKong newspaper man at the time falsely reported
that the Russian had put its force on the alert. He later apologized to
the public. There is no evident, at least that I aware of, indicates that
Russian would interfere the confrontation. It actually was US who gave
"go-ahead" and ensured CCP that Russian was not about to move).   

   
   The major reason, that PLA grounded its air force and harbored its
ships, is that those planes (F-19s, F-17s)  and ships are heavily
outdated comparing  Vietnam's Anti-Air/Sea Defense system.
Especially from the perspective of an electronic  warfare.  Those big
boys in Beijing were smart enough to avoid a  duck-shooting type
game. Even that means a saving of thousands of lives of our "new
generation of dearest men" 

  Well, what's else could I say ? I do love the legacy of CCP. I am
grown up with the books such as  " The Red Flag Is Waving" (15 vols.)
and " XinHue LiaoYuan" (6 vols.) I am deeply fond of their heroic
deed. They are trying to establish a new world by the mean of
destruction. But, along the way of fighting against evil, they converted
themselves as evils. Clearly, the 79 War against Vietnam demonstrates 
their sickness.       That,  is sad.