HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:05:51 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>Does anyone remember an actual case in which a ref has made a call on
>this rule in a truly critical situation?  In the case of the Notre Dame
How about the infamous East Carolina-Illinois game?  If I remember correctly,
E. Carolina was penalized for excessively celebrating after recovering an
on-side kick late in the 4th quarter.   That penalty cost them important field
position at a critical stage of the game.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Rules check
Keywords: nn
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:04:56 GMT

In <1992Nov17.212833.29885@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:


>>>I am curious to know if Mississippi State could have legally advanced
>>>the fumble recovery on the punt.  An advance which they in turn fumbled.
>>>If they cannot advance the fumble, then it should have been State ball
>>>at the point of the recovery.  I have not heard anyone saying that it
>>>should be State ball, but I am still curious as to the rule.

>The reason that I asked was because it is illegal for the "offense" to
>advance a fumble once it is beyond the line of scrimmage.  The punter
>and the punting team are considered defensive.  I believe that this is 
>the first year that the defense can advance a fumble if the play is
>beyond the line of scrimmage.

After the punt, there is no neutral zone, so any player may advance
any fumble.

The offense restriction applies only to the 4th down, and then only
the fumbler may advance the ball.

And the defense has been able to advance the ball at least since 1991.
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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Should Withdraw was (Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:17:05 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov20144547@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

Predicts Big 10 will win all the bowls they will go to despite 
net.wisdom arguing none should go

>
>-Alan Harder
> American Mathematical SOciety
> Michigan Fan
> Drinker of Anchor Steam 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Were you drinking this when you made your prediction?

(Yes I know I deleted the smileys)

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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Final I-AA Top 20 for 1992 Season
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:41:12 GMT

Final I-AA Top 20 from the NCAA I-AA Football Committee:

1t. The Citadel (2)           78
1t. NE Louisiana (2)          78
3.  N. Iowa                   72
4.  Middle Tennessee          68
5.  Idaho                     64
6.  Marshall                  60
7.  Youngstown St.            55
8.  Delaware                  53
9.  Samford                   48
10. Villanova                 44
11. McNeese St.               40
12. E. Kentucky               36
13. William and mary          33
14. E. Washington             28
15. Florida A&M               24
16. Appalachian St.           20
17. N. Car. A&T               16
18. Alcorn St.                 9
19. Liberty                    8
20. W. Illinois                7

Others Receiving Votes: Dartmouth. Grambling, Lafayette, NW Louisiana, Western 
Carolina.

PDunn
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Cougars CRUSH Huskies!
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:56:05 GMT

Yeeeeeeeessssssss!!!!!!!!

A classic Pullman snowstorm battle... and a wonderful Cougar effort.

The Cougars dominated the Huskies, and sent a bunch of arrogant
Husky fans home with their collective tail between their legs.
The Cougar defense played well as usual, but it was the offense
that finally showed up today, turning what was a close game at the
half into a Cougar blowout with an incredible third quarter.  Drew
Bledsoe had a great day, especially considering the conditions.  And
Shaumbe Wright-Fair ran for nearly 200 yards and three TDs, two on
long break-away runs.

As a side note, our local ABC affiliate KXLY is carrying an Apple Cup
post-game show, with locker room scenes, player and coach interviews,
etc.  And every Husky being interviewed is coming on and practically 
blaming the loss on the weather.  Come on!  You got your butts kicked,
take it like men and go home.

Way to go, Cougs!!!  We're 8-3 now.  By the way, Drew Bledsoe, in an
interview taped before the game, said that the Cougars are locked into
a bowl game with a win over the Huskies.  Does he know something we
don't?  

The celebration is in full swing in Pullman, and will continue through
the night.

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: n8843528@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Chris M. Jacques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: #1 in WAC
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:51:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov16.215123.27473
Organization: Western Washington University

maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:

>> 	Suppose after the regular season, the final records look like:
>> 
>> 		Hawaii		6-2
>> 		San Diego St.	6-2
>> 		BYU		6-2
>> 		XXX		6-2
>> 
>> 	Who will be WAC Champ?    
>> 
>While obviously all three would be WAC champs, SDSU would play in the
>Holiday Bowl because of its win over both Hawaii and BYU.

O
> Hey aren't you forgetting about Fresno State here. If they win thier last
two games they will be 6-2 in the conference and 8-4 overall. They could
have an outside shot for a minor bowl. The last two games come against San S
Diego State and UTEP.
>arthur
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From: tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon)
Subject: Re: Rutgers/Independence Bowl/UVa question
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:12:37 GMT

From article <1992Nov16.201459.15552@walter.bellcore.com>, by kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge):
> With Rutgers' (6-4) win over WVU this past weekend and their matchup this
> coming weekend against Temple (1-9), they have a great shot a 7-4 record
> and a possible Independence Bowl bid.
> 
> Does anyone know the other teams being considered for the Independence Bowl 
> as well?  

	I would say one of the other Big Ten teams.  Either 
Iowa, Wisconsin, or maybe even Illinois could sneak in if they
have teh 6 wins.
-- 
	Timothy J. Shannon    	e-mail -  timothy-shannon@uiowa.edu
"I certainly don't want to quit playing Iowa State. Not at all.  I mean 
we're 10-and-0 (vs.ISU in the last 10 years) That would be silly" 
- Hayden Fry when asked if he would prefer to play Div.I-AA UNI instead.
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Subject: Big 8 home and away records (1992)
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:23:38 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


	home	away	total
CU	5-0-1	4-1	9-1-1
ISU	4-2	0-5	4-7
KU	4-2	3-2	7-4
KSU	5-0	0-5	5-5	Neb @Tokyo
MU	3-3	0-5	3-8
NU	6-0	1-2	7-2	@OU, KSU@Tokyo
OU	4-1	1-2-2	5-3-2	Neb,(Away, @Dallas vs Tex)
OSU	4-0-1	0-6-0	4-6-1
====	======	======	=======
tot	35-8-2	9-34-2	44-36-4
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Oklahoma State BEATS Oklahoma:  Final 15-15.
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:31:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Nov16.193117.9390
Distribution: na
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

Title says it all.  :)


Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps peace
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From: rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:52:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161517.26819@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>
>To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
>    Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
>ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They fact 
>that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
>shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
>seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they don't
>look like a top 25 team to me).
>    Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 

Now, hold on here.  I think TAMU is full of a bunch of hicks as much as the
next guy, and I'd love to see their team fall in the polls, but we can turn your
argument around and note that just because they "have the SHITTIEST schedule
among the top 10 teams" doesn't mean they are bad.  You'd have to have a
pretty good reason not to rank ANY undefeated team high at this point in the
season.
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:57:05 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov20142740@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>In article <BxxGqv.27t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson) writes:
>
>   ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>
>   >fsu is the best 1 loss team in the nation, nothing more.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I never wrote this.  There was an attribution screw up somewhere. 

>
>Would you feel the same way if they were ahead of a team you hate,
>instead of the team you love?  In other words, is this personal, or
>philisophical?
>
>Hopefully, this whole issue will be resolved by the end of the season.
>Until then, though, it's kinda fun to watch the word war between the
>FSU and TAMU people.  Personally, I'm not an FSU fan, but I do think
>they're the better of the two teams.
>
>
>
>
>
>-Alan Harder
> American Mathematical SOciety
> Michigan Fan
> Drinker of Anchor Steam 
>
From: traynor@fnalf.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rice 34 Baylor 31
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:01:35 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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In article <1992Nov15.034421.18400@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>Heisman woofing in the SWC has grown to a ridiculous extent. 
> 
> What?  What!?
> 
> GT
> 
>>  -- 
>>Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
> 
> 
> 

Any chance of Rice going to a bowl this year?

					-Mike Traynor
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:06:02 GMT

In <1ehjibINN2ls@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>Are spectators considered "subject to the rules"?

No.  Under old (1991) rules the ND incident couldn't have been
penalized, as there are only provisions for non-players entering
the field when the ball is in play.
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From: steves@lsil.com (Steve Studulski 6881)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Cal sucks
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: steves@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Microprocessor Group

Hi guys,
	Tomorrow will be the shittiest day of my life, I know that in advance.
Cal sucks big time, it's been sucking all season long and there is no way
we can beat Stanford. Stanford has a great team. Bill Walsh is the best
coach in College football. The Stanford team is fantastic, so I consider
completely impossible that Cal could upset the Cardinal. As a matter of fact,
Stanford should crush and humilliate Cal with no doubt. I am resigned to the
fact that Cal is a losing team. 
There is one thing that I'm happy about, though. This time I wimped out and 
I didn't bet on the Big Game. Ufff!!! The last two years have been 
a nightmare... Wow, I feel all excited that this time I didn't bet. 
I hope Cal doesn't lose too bad, at least the Stanford guys should 
feel some compassion and  pity so that Cal doesn't get busted big time.
If Cal loses by less than 30 points I'll be more than satisfied :)

P.S. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Cal grad also.

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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. winning teams?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.164318.11849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>     Is it true that Michigan hasn't beat a team with a final record over .500 
>this year? Could someone post their schedule and let us know?
>
>                                        Steve

yes, this is true.
on the other hand, no team with a record over .500 has beaten Michigan this
year :^)

-bob
a Michigan fan


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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:03:29 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.174303.14522@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
>
>I posted this before but it didn;t get through.  I meant to say "BEAT"
>not trounced -- don't know how that got in (Freudian:-).
>
>To all the FSU fans who objected note that I had said earlier that FSU
>was the only team that could beat Miami 5 times out of 10 today...
>
>But, also said that Miami beat FSU fair and square.  And to the poster
>who said FSU outgained Miami etc. that is true -- I watched the game,
>and was pulling mightily for FSU -- and I saw FSU domainate for the
>first 45 minutes and yet fail to put Miami away -- Miami was always
>coming up with the play to force FSU to try for a FG etc.  It shoudl
>never have been close, BUT IT WAS and that was as much due to the
>Miami defense as it was to the ineptitude of FSU's offense.
>
>Bharat

Yes, FSU did the same thing in this game that they did last year and in
years past against Miami, and that they do against other teams as well
(although usually Miami is the only team good enough to take advantage
of it), which is to dominate them but not put them away. Several years
ago in the Sugar Bowl FSU beat Auburn 13-7 despite having the ball
inside the Auburn 30 yard line 5 times in the first part of the game
(they only got 13 points). If there is one major criticism of FSU over
the last five years, it is that they don't always put people away when
they should. This has cost them at least two national championships.

I still don't see why Miami fans have trouble realizing that seldom if
ever does a team manage to go undefeated without being quite lucky,
even if they are extremely good. There have been an awful lot of great
football teams in division 1-A football over the years, but most of
them didn't win all of their games. Those who did win all of their 
games generally had a nontrivial chance component play a role in going
undefeated. Miami is no exception this year. That doesn't mean that
they aren't good--they are.

--
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: It's Finally Here !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:01:52 GMT

	Thursday, November 26, 1992.  The 57th IRON BOWL !!!!
	The Tigers have a lot to play for.  In the state of Alabama,
	Bama or Auburn could lose most of their games, win this one
	and redeem themselves to a large extent.  Auburn has everything
	to win and Bama has everything to lose !!!!  Good Luck to you
	tigers but Roll Tide Roll.

		Tony (you bet I'll be there) Bowman
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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:46:16 GMT

In article <7044@news.duke.edu>, daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.203105.3467@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson) writes:
>><JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Nov15.192722.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
>>>says:
>>>>
>>>>Georgia 14
>>>>Auburn 10
>>>>
>>>>This was a close game with a controversial ending.  
>>
>>Also, Andre Hastings attempted to field a punt in the end zone.  He
> 
> Of course, one of Auburn's touchdowns came after an offensive lineman
> pushed his own ball carrier into the endzone around the defensive back.

At the time I half expected a flag, but there was more than one defensive
player involved in the play (I thought) and the other Auburn player appeared
to be trying to block one of the GA guys as much as anything (hey thats what
I thought at the time).  He did run into the ball carrier.  Incindental
contact, yeah, thats the ticket!  (FWIW, it looked like Bostic's body didn't
cross the plane, that he sort of held the ball out over the goal line for
the td).

Where the heck is that tape, I guess I need to recheck this play...

Since we are nitpicking this thing to death (ok, I started it) Hearst
fumbled the ball on his 1st td.  On the replay it is impossible to tell if
he had possession or not as he was crossing the goal line.  The ball went
out of the end zone.  One local writer strongly suggests that Hearst was
fumbling as he crossed the line.  Some of my friends thought he didn't
fumble till he scored, others were unsure.  I, alas, didn't see the play in
person as I went flying with a campus photographer before the game.  He took
aerial pictures of the stadium, I enjoyed the view (then again, my wife says
my head has been in the clouds for years).  I arrived at the stadium just
after GA scored their 1st td.

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: SEC officiating: where to complain !!!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:02:02 GMT


Are you fed up with officiating in the SEC?  Let's remember why you should be:

1) Mississippi State was given an interception against Alabama that was a trap.
2) Alabama was given an interception against Mississippi State that was a trap.
3) Auburn was cheated by the officials out of a final play in their game vs.
   Georgia.
4) The officials at MSU-Bama ruled a fumble by Jay Barker as a forward pass
attempt that was incomplete.

* woof gods: I am not trying to find reason we lost to Alabama, simply I am
sick of officials blowing calls, especially in big games.  No team is immune
to these poor calls and the officals must be repremanded!

Hey, and that is just from the two games I saw!  I bet every game had crappy
officiating, so the Clairon Ledger posted where to write and complain about
the poor officiating in the SEC.

Write to:

The SEC
2201 Civic Center Blvd.
Birmingham, AL. 35203

David

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From: rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Down to Business (OU/NU)
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.172905.23905@news.nd.edu> ejohnson@turinghelios.nd.edu (eric johnson) writes:
>In article <Bxz0nH.347@utdallas.edu>, dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>|>  
>|> I betting it will be, too.  OU is a frustrated team right now.  Wed. 
>|> practice was canceled in place of a team meeting where players could
>|> vent their frustrations.  Apparently some players are upset Steve Collins
>|> didn't get a chance to play against OSU.  It was not a team walkout, though.
>|> It's been a long season for the Sooners.
>|> 
>|> >>>Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
>|> 
>|>     OOOO      
>|>    O    O     =================================== |     Bill Dostalik
>|>    O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            | dostalik@utdallas.edu
>|>    O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |    Dept. of Physics    
>|>     OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Okla. @ Dallas    
>|>       U    U  =================================== | 
>|>        UUUU                                       |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
>|> 
>
>There is still something special about the NU-OU matchup. They always provide
>amazing highlights. I can still remember the "Game(s) of the Century", Oklahoma's
>Hook-n-Ladder, Nebraska's Fumblerooskie, like they happened yesterday. I was at the
>game last year in Lincoln and it was exciting to the end. There was some heavy-duty
>hittin' going on. I expect this year will be no different. Both teams have something
>to prove so there will be extra incentive on both sides. 
>
>BTW does anyone have the overall series record?? How about in the last 20 years. 
>(I'd go back ten years but OU won so many comeback games in the 80's it hurts too 
>much to remember them).
>
>Watching NU/OU with a leftover turkey sandwich....life doesn't get much better!!
>
>Eric
>GO HUSKERS!!!! BEAT SOONERS!!!!

Hey Johnson,

I thought you've got soooooo much work to do.  Where do you
get all this spare time to post all this Husker nonsense?

	- roberto


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