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From: msharma@lexington.rutgers.edu (Manish Sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info needed:Univ of Maryland, Coll Park
Keywords: Info, Univ of Maryland, College Park, Mat Sci dept
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:12:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi netters,

One of my friends in India has got admissions in the Univ of Maryland, College
Park in the dept of Material Sci and Engg.

She was seeking information about the Univ, the dept, the faculty, the
active areas of research, financial aid prospects ....

I would be more than pleased to help her make decisions about her
admissions with the help of information forwarded by you all.

I don't believe that this subject would be of interest to the majority
of our netters. So can i ask you to post the replies directly to my
e-mail address.
If anyone of you is interested in the replies, I would post it to
him/her directly to his/her e-mail addr

Thanking you all in advance. Sorry for the botheration.

... Manish Sharma		msharma@caip.rutgers.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:14131 rec.music.indian.classical:860
From: Rishi.Kumar@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rishi Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Review of Beta
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:30:20 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Starring: Madhuri, Anil, Anupam, Lakshimkant etc.

Anil plays the nerd, Madhuri plays "Priya Tendulkaar", the samaj sudharak (al
most) while Anupam plays the buffoon he has got so much used to. (There are
remours that for he practises with a live... (sic).

This is the same team that has brought to you kadardanos DIL which was great,
but this may be almost the pits. A village setting- from the bygone era. The
battle of wits between the mother-in-law and the daughter ("Played ever so
classically by Aruna and The Dixit"). See it on the big screen for experiencing
the utmost depression possible.

The music is great. Let me not take away that. Especially the first one "Mujhe
beta kahan hi" something something. That was a great turn on for the exciting
spectacle ahead. The next one the first dream sequence of the nerd is bery bery
exciting yaar, I shaw it sho many tames. I lirally phreaked out on it yaar.
To tar bhagayla pahije, karan tu ek khara Dixit fan ahe, Right?

Well actually the songs are worth a listen and the movie worth a dekko because of
the pawarphull iscreen prejence of amchi ladli-Dixit. No regrets for me at least.
One of the more powerful roles of Dixit, but then it looks like she is going
the HE-MA (Yo Mom) way, which is scary. Samajh jaoo yaro.

THe comedy of Laxmikant Berde is classy , as I tend to stoop down to the low
levels of pandu and generally get to enjoy it . No laughs from Anupam who makes
us cry for the misutilization of the kuaaa bhar taalent jo kundi me bhar kar
rakh liya hi.

See it on the VCR. You can fast forward thro the scenes of the nerd (call it
Raj Kapoor if you can), and all others concentrating on the over-powering 
boooooty of amchi ladli Madhuri

Till then,

From cat to mouse
Signing offf.

Rishi Kumar
UCONNN.

--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: pvr@rice.edu (Narasimha Pvr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: map-of-india.gif
Date: 7 Apr 1992 00:51:24 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <Apr.7.00.48.54.1992.11120@blaze.rutgers.edu>, nmodi@blaze.rutgers.edu (Nirav Modi) writes:

> There is gif viewer at several ftp sites for sunview. One  I know is
> nic.funet.fi ,go to the pub/gif/... and you will get the thing that
> you want. 

A very minor correction. It should be pub/pics/gif and not pub/gif. I don't
think there is a directory called gif.

--------
PVR Narasimha Rao
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 14:51:50 EDT
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ECON-FARM corp - Land Reforms more essential

In article <1992Apr8.155104.16467@seas.smu.edu>, krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay
Krishna) says:
>
> This is in response to the ECON series -
>
>
>Land Reforms is something which is not peculiar to India - infact, the
>problem in India is, it is not as wide spread as it should be. Every nation
>has had some kind of land reforms.
>
>The farm corporations like Deepak ? said does not address social issues.
>Probably not. But it does not prevent social change. I believe that
>economic change leads to social classes being realinged. If you believe
>it is the other way around then I rest my case. It is very hard to
>point out what comes first or what should come first.
>

How close is the concept of farm corporations to the implementations
of land reforms ? I do not know. But if you are arguing for real
implementation of land reforms I am all for it. In fact my point
of social issues was mainly raised in perspective of what has happened
in real implementation of land reforms.

In states like West Bengal, where the state government was committed
to its real implementation , the land reforms have taken deep roots.
But in many other states, including the most of so called agricultural
states, land reforms remain on paper. Using the idea of hindu family,
and registering domestic servents, cattles and dead persons, as family
members the big land-lords have essentially maintained their holdings
on big size of lands (hundreds of acers). One very prominant example,
detailed in India Today of last year, was/is Devi Lal's family in
Haryana. In most of the villages you will find couple of similar land-lords
holding, and farming, most of the land. Remember the labor is either
from the same village, as in UP and Bihar, or migrant workers as in
Haryana and Punjab. In this sense, all the advantages listed for farm
corporations do exist in the agricultural belt. The only thing is
that rich and feudal landlords own every thing. And every one else
is a hired hand. Now to say that by introducing farm corporations
these land lords will go away, and shares for their family holdings
will be distributed in the whole villages, does not seem real to me.
So that is why I still think the problem is a social one and that
can be addressed only by a government committed to implementing
land reforms in real sense.

regards..                     Deepak

>
>A lot of inovative ideas are around to improve Agriculture - but no govt
>has the guts to implement it. Land Reforms which is so crucial is a big
>farce in the country - with only West Bengal under Jyoti Basu really
>making a genuine attempt to implement it well. Unfortunately, since his
>was a communist govt everyone wasted no time in criticising it, instead
>of pointing out the follies in the WB govt approach to trade unions and
>the resulting industrial stagnation.
>
>
>Sanjay.
From: pvr@rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Science and assumptions (Re: On the existence of Paramatma)
Date: 9 Apr 1992 23:39:09 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <2465@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi) writes:

> There is one caveat I find with the arguments on any theory in
> Cosmology. All the theories that we human beings put forward are
> based on the observations made from the vicinity of our planet.
> How do we know what can be observed from the earth is a typical
> sample ? It might be a local variation. 

Though it might sound pessimistic and cynical, let me point out another
possibility.

You are rightly pointing out that the observations made by scientists can be
spatial variations of reality. They can also be temporal variations! In other
words, may be the rules of the world keep changing in a stupid fashion and may
be in the next second everything will change totally. May be the science that
we accumulated is going to entirely useless then and the machines we built are
going to be waste.

Well, I know what you are going to say. I know your (and my) common sense
says it is stupid, but you can't disprove it logically, after all.

Like this, if you think seriously, there are a lot of assumptions we, human
beings, make about the nature of world (in our modeling of it) without really
noticing.  Looks like our science is not perfect. It only pretends to be what
we think (in our minds) it is. It is totally dependent on the limitations of
human brain.

Moreover, some of the assumptions that we make (like this one) can be figured
out and stated, but we can't be sure that we figured out all the assumptions
we made, not to mention the fact that we can't be sure whether our assumptions
are right. It is, after all, dependent on the way our brain functions. So, we
are just doing something in this world without really understanding (in
fullness) what we are doing and hoping that we will get the desired result.

Also, we cannot be sure that this approach to scientific modeling of the
reality is the best one (assuming we have a measure of how good a model is).
But do we know if there is a better alternative?

--------
PVR Narasimha Rao

     The end of science is the beginning of speculation.
     And, speculation is the beginning of science.
From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: news: Import duties reduced
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:27:51 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
             Copyright 1992 The British Broadcasting Corporation
                          Summary of World Broadcasts

                            April  8, 1992, Wednesday

INTERNATIONAL TRADE; Import duties reduced

All- India  Radio in English 1430 gmt 26 Mar 92

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   The Finance Minister has announced reductions in import duties on certain
items The import duty on projects imports and general machinery has been reduced
to 55% from the proposed 60%. The customs duty on components for fuel-efficient
light commercial vehicles has been restored to 50% from the 80% proposed in
the budget. The duty on light commercial vehicles has also been reduced from 15%
to 10%. The increase in import duty on rags, from 35% to 110%, has been
withdrawan.

============================================================================
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Mead Data Central                               Systems & Product Technology
Bldg. VI, 9595 Springboro Pike                          udcrusd@meaddata.com
Miamisburg, Ohio 45342                                        (513) 865-6800   
                                               
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From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: LOVE Marriages & ARRANGED Marriages: A Comparison
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:09:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology


	This discussion has gone far afield. With volumes of anecdotal
evidence, it seems to me that how a man and a woman meet and get married 
has little impact on the long-term success of their marriage, as long as 
they enter into it as partners and remain that way. This is possible and
happens frequently, regardless of how the couple met.  The relentless 
badgering of the arranged vs. 'love' marriage question is getting a bit 
lopsided and altogether too predictable. Let's hear it from the Indian women, 
who have married in either of these two ways - is your 'quality' of life,
as INDIVIDUALS, (and as it pertains to marriage) any different from your 
female friends and relatives, who were themselves married in either of 
those two ways? I recognize that such dichotomies are needless 
generalizations, but let us treat them in their 'popular' sense of the 
word, for the sake of this query.  What do they call this,  
'kicking a hornet's nest'? :-) 

        That apart, the debatable issue is still one of *choice*. 
Does a society grant all of its members a fair and equal right to 
choose in all of life's endeavors (as I think it should) or do some of 
us have more choice than others? But how one's married life turns out,
say, over a 30 year span has - I am guessing here - only a weak causal 
relationship with the circumstances of the initial meeting of the couple.
Choice, a little or a lot, in the selection of a mate, I think, neither 
invalidates nor assures future happiness of the couple. 
These two issues ought to be treated separately and on their own merits. 
	
 cheers,
 Jayant Naik
------------------------------
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 14:46:50 EDT
From: <CXS124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Request info. @ F-1 from London/Paris

hi.

i would like some info. about getting the F-1 renewed from either London or
Paris. if someone has had experience with this, could you please relate your
experience(s) and pass on any other related information.

thanks
shekhar
CXS124@PSUVM.PSU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (GIRISH)
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time ---- Any advantage ?
Organization: University of New Brunswick, Fredericton.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:00:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.214219.26281@athena.mit.edu> ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:
>
>The standard reasoning is that losing an hour in the spring and gaining  
>one in the fall compensates for the change in the length of daylight,  
>thereby saving energy. In the spring and summer months the sun sets an  
>hour later in the evening as compared as without daylight savings, so the  
>need to turn on lights is delayed for one hour. The sunlight in the  
>morning similarly shines an hour later than without daylight savings, so  
>less daylight is "wasted" in terms of being awake. As far as I know, the  
>majority of countries do not adopt this time change policy.
>
>Besides, an hour more of daylight allows one to go for a nice jog after  
>being in lab all day!!
>

Daylight time is like cutting off one end of a blanket and sewing it
on the other end to make it longer.
                                   - from 'The Globe and Mail'

-Girish.
From: j0srin01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil some suggestion
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:44:44 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


	Hey!! Lets get a step further. How about Soc.culture.madras???!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian
From: murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: Re: are there still prejudices?
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:42:33 GMT

hi nari!

Nari Kannan writes
> in article <1992Apr15.174715.29166@menudo.uh.edu>
>  murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna) writes:
> 
> 
> >are INDIANS (asian), raised in the US, still  
> >prejudiced against OTHER indians (also, asian)?
> >now, before people start blasting away, let me finish.  i have noticed  
(though,
> >this may just be my perception) that many indians (mainly the "older"  
> >generation; like my parents) form "sub-cultures".  
> 
> Good topic.  Provides much needed respite from
> the SCIA  tripe about CFD, CFV, Straw Poll, Name Calling,  etc...
> from pretty much the same set of people.
> 
> It's interesting how certain things don't appear 
> prejudicial while things like what Purna mentions do, especially to
> the unusually self-critical Indian mind.  
> Almost all major cities in the world have their own 
> "national watering holes".  There are bars for
> British expatriates in Sydney, American gathering places
> in most major cities in Europe., etc.. While we don't
> give a second thought to these,  Indian subcultures
> gathering to share common thoughts, food and experiences
> suddenly seem prejudicial.  
> 
> In my opinion, India is nothing more than a whole bunch of
> subcultures thrown together by forces in History.  While
> there may be very thinning strands of a national feeling
> holding all these different peoples together,  almost
> everything about them is different - Demeanor,  food,
> language, attitudes towards various things..etc..  While
> the modern thought of only people interested in the same things
> interacting with each other seems logical, I don't see how
> this is anything but logical.  I
> 
> Nari

i'm sorry.  unfortunately, i'm not sure what you're getting at :(

what i THINK you're getting at is that this "prejudice" is just a form of  
"sub-culture" that extends over various parts of india.  if this is true, then  
there's not a whole lot that can be done about it (aside from waitting).   
however, what CAN be done is through education (yes...i am a believer that  
things CAN change FOR THE BETTER!).  i guess what i'm trying to address is more  
of the ROOTS of prejudices.  

do indians (asian, as always in most of my posts) feel they are prejudiced out  
there?

if so, we are NOT considered a MINORITY!  is this right?

i am following this up to SCI as well as SCIA since i feel that these issues  
are broadening over MANY groups of people.

1 last thing....though i hate to mention it, since i don't like to get into  
flame wars (yes; i learned my lesson when i flamed someone publicly).  is it  
possible (PLEASE!!  PRETTY PLEASE!!! WITH SUGAR ON IT!!!) to keep private flame  
wars OFF THE NET!  i know, i know.  the 'n' key works REAL well on my keyboard.  

just trying to increase the SNR............

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:05:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.182749.10993@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:

>>...And what's in it for *you* PAL ?
>
>Belligerent, ain't he? I expect soon he'll be issuing vituperative threats...

Naw! Just hot air.

G

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.122930.14302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:

>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....
>And that applies to her/his cronies too. Get a hint !

Perhaps you actually believe that you're taken seriously enough for
people to even consider responding favourable to your suggestions?

George


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian.american:1751 soc.culture.indian:14195
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Trina/Alok
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:23:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Trina/Alok's  diatribes are getting boring.  Bring back Udit Sharma.  Now
that guy knows how to flame.  The Independent Indian Woman isn't bad but
Mr. Sharma is good.  





Rakesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: snoopy@unlv.edu (Ramesh Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: RFD : SCIA (Difference between IAs and IIs 
Organization: UNLV
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 16:53:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.151811.1942@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>There are some very fundamental differences between the two groups: 

I think this is obvious: Alok posts regularly on SCIA but only occasionaly
on SCI (whew! thank goodness).


>1) IAs are citizens or permanent residents of USA.
>While IIs are citizens of INdia and residing temporarily in USA for studies,
>business, visit etc. IIs are usually looking for their lost pals from

Bullcrap!!


>back home. They are often enquiring about visas and ways to work and stay
>in USA permanently. 

You were doing it too at one time.


>2) IAs generally have a positive view of USA and its culture, etc.
>That is why they chose to reside here permanently or became the citizens of

I guess money had nothing to do with it?  $   $
                                            $
                                          \___/  Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money


SCI readers:  You can ignore the rest of the posting.  Alok was
delirious (yep, again) when he wrote this.  Poor SCIA!!  They've
got to put up with this all the time.

>USA. IIs on the other hand are usually bragging about India and condemning
>USA (Evidence SCI postings). They would rather stick to the old traditions 
>and ancient culture of India. Furthermore they seem to suffer from feuding 
>on the basis of caste, language, region, religion etc. even after coming to 
>USA.


>3) Many IIs want to destroy SCIA and force IAs into SCI and impose upon
>them the back home conflicts of caste, language, region and religion.
>IAs on the other hand believe in "Live and Let Live". They don't mind if 
>SCI is there.

>List goes on ... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

>Alok


--R.V.
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 03:51:26 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Make up your mind Alok


This moron used to post immigration realted messages on this bboard.
When I asked him about the relev ancy of such messages to this bboard,
he claimed that such issues were of interest to IAs. Then in a recent
argument, he claims that II's are intersted in issues like visas, etc.
while IAs are not, and hence the need for a separate bboard.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: apo@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Apolak Borthakur)
Subject: Re: are there prejudices?
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.161513.27429@menudo.uh.edu>, murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna) writes:

> 
> i think that ALL groups have such prejudiced individuals, in general.  it's  
> very difficult to find any group, race, religion, etc.  that does not have  
> "fanatics" who are very single-minded.  however, i'm not sure if everyone got  
> my original point.
> 
> i agree that it's more "reassuring, etc" for our (parents and others) to  
> associate with others from their own backgrounds, but my question was one of do  
> they ACTIVELY AVOID indians of OTHER backgrounds?  has this cropped up?  what  
> arijit was talking about is more along the lines of my question, however is it  
> more widespread than just a "few individuals"?
> 
> also, has anyone noticed this same phenomena/trend in recent immigrants from  
> india?  this is asked without malice or mis-intent -- just curious.
> 


I have noticed this of the Assamese community here in Houston- they do
seem to stick together. I don't know whether they intentionally avoid
people of other backgrounds, or whether it is just that things in common
like language, cultural norms, etc bring the community together.

Also, I have noticed that there are often some Americans in parties hosted
by community members, but almost never Indian people of other backgrounds.

And, from what I hear, the Konkani community in Houston too is
clannish.

BUT, my interaction with the families here is limited, so it could
be just a case of a `few individuals'.

a.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american