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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: Shoe teams
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:26:31 GMT

In article <BtnG5D.28x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Also, remember those commercials with Charles Oakley (doing the
>	Oak Tree), Sherman Douglas (doing the Sherman Shuffle) and others?
>	Those were rather classic.
>

i loved these comercials.   they were Foot Locker or Locker Room, right?
I love the "I got Skills " commerical tooo.

do you think they are getting carried away showing Previews of commercials
like they show previews of movies ?
commercials advertising commercials?

oh well, it doesn't matter.. it worked.  I am anticipating the Godzilla
vs. Barkely commercial :)



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From: chiu@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (John Chiu)
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:15:35 GMT

In article <5598@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>
>It's an insult to a great player that people keep this "Bird would have
>been a nobody if he wasn't white" crap going on.
>
>I look at it this way: if you had to show a 5 second clip to capture the
>essence of Bird, Magic, and Jordan the Jordan clip would be a slam,
>the Bird and Magic clips would be amazing no-look passes to teammates.
>And I think THAT says it all.
>
>	-MSM
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
>"Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
>[ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q

Don't forget "the shot" of Micheal Jordan during the last 3.3s of
the Bulls-Cleveland game!


John Chiu
  
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Memories of Magic, Larry, and Mike
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:19:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.141246.4531@newstand.syr.edu> bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight) writes:
>
>
>	I have that particular play on tape, lurking somewhere in my Celtics
>videotape collection.  If memory serves, it was against the Rockets.

Actually, I think it was the Sixers...but who cares...

>	Some memories that always seem to stick out in my mind are these:

What memories do I have?  The most recent one was that performance this
year against Portland with that way off balance three pointer against Drexler.
How he hit that one, I'll never know.  Also, that shootout with Dominique
Wilkins in '88 where he scored 20 in the 4th, a game winner against Xavier
McDaniel before which he told X that he was going to hit the shot.  Then
afterwards, he said, "Damn, I didn't mean to leave 2 seconds on the clock."

The steal against the Pistons, god knows I think that's the most legendary
play of all, a beautiful double overtime win against the Bulls two years ago
where he made Horace Grant look really bad, a winning shot in a classic
game against L.A. in the '84 Finals...
From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:09:49 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Aug27.124220.21758@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>Got another quote for you guys.  I was watching my Bulls '92 Championship
>video last night and heard this...
>
>'Michael Jordan, you are the standard by which basketball 
> excellence is measured.' 
>             -- David Stern (and NO it's not the D.Stern that goes to UIUC!)

 Ok, here's one for you.

 "Larry Bird has helped define the way a generation of basketball fans
 has come to view and appreciate the NBA."
        -- David Stern (and NO it's not the D.Stern that goes to UIUC!)




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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: 1992-93 schedule
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:02:46 GMT

Can someone out there in r.s.b.p land post or email a copy of the 1992-93
NBA schedule (exhibition as well if possible)?  I just subscribed to this
newsgroup, so sorry if this is a repetitious request.

Peter Brown
Imprint
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From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:13:46 GMT
	<1992Aug26.232647.23645@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <4218@3cpu.rain.com>
	<1992Aug28.002603.29610@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <4223@3cpu.rain.com>
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

To: 
In article <4223@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury) writes:
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   From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
   Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
   Date: 28 Aug 92 07:59:21 GMT
   References: <1992Aug26.152443.5240@brtph560.bnr.ca> <1992Aug26.232647.23645@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <4218@3cpu.rain.com> <1992Aug28.002603.29610@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
   Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
   Organization: Garden Lane Software
   Lines: 43

   In article <1992Aug28.002603.29610@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>as well. I don't doubt MJ won an All-Star MVP, I just don't remember what
>year it was and I don't remember him even being in a 3 point. However, I
>didn't see last year's 3 point contest and so I'm quite in the dark on
>what happened.

>So what year *did* Michael win the All-Star MVP? Given that Magic won
>1992 and Charles won 1991, I don't have stats for All Star games so I'm
>actually asking. You guys follow MJ, know his stats and all. I'm just
>looking for the answer. Remember, there is a seeker born every minute. :-)


I don't remember the exact year, but I know it was when the allstar game
was in Chicago. Must have been 88 or 89. 


>Ed

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From: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Victor Koa)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Reply-To: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Victor Koa)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:56:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.115030.20792@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

|> 
|> Now I'm just as willing to toss out Jordan-woofs as anyone, but Jordan didn't
|> come *anywhere* close to winning the 3-point shootout.  As a matter of fact,
|> both he and Bird left that 3-point shootout in the first round.  And if I
|> remember correctly, Jordan had the lowest score of them all.
|> 
|> Of course, had Jordan been in 'the zone' like he was against Portland in game
|> 1 of the championship series...
|> 
then he might have won the competition three times in a row like Larry did.

Reg Domaratzki        Waterloo Co-op student working at BNR in Ottawa,Canada
  "The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present."
      - Hobbes
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: thanks ed and dave
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:00:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug25.181326.11211@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
> Now, go ahead, I dare you not reply.

 Oh yeah? Well I double dare ya.......


				gln
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Michael Irvin's Contract????
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep4.141105.19636@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>Any news on how far apart the Cowboys and Michael Irvin are????

I hear that he and Dallas are close to signing a contract, but he is disturbed
by the money that Jimmy Jackson is going to get.
  This guy reads too many newsgroups.
--Rob Clough
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lloyd Danielsd (was Re: Spurs Update)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 11:31:00 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Spurs

In article <BtnGHF.2Dp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
|
|>Why? After all, someone has to be at the bottom (or is it top?) of
|>the list. Feeling kind of guilty, Russ?
|
|>If Daniels turns into an NBA player, then who would the "most 
|>recruiting hype to never do diddley" mantle fall to? Larry Bird?
|
|	Larry Bird?  U must be confused!
|
|	Anyways, the "most recruiting hype to never do diddley" could
|	fall upon a lot of players.  Tito Horford is a great choice.
|	Chris Washburn as well.  One player that has got to be mentioned
|	is Delray Brooks.  He was named HS player of the year his senior
|	year, but then went on to non-descript seasons at Indiana and
|	Providence.  He's currently now an assistant strength coach
|	(to former UK alum Reggie Hanson) at Kentucky.  All from a 
|	former POY.
|

This may be jumping the gun a little bit, but how about Ed O'Bannon (UCLA)?

Rick
From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:03:02 GMT
 <4217@3cpu.rain.com> <1992Aug28.125958.1122@NeoSoft.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug28.125958.1122@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron
Laird) says:
>
>In article <4217@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
>                        .
>>Duckworth has reportedly been working with a very intense weight program
>                        .
>                        .
>Surely.  OK, so maybe I'm a bit credulous on
>the game value of conditioning programs--I
>believe in them in a BIG way--but I predict
>a big Duck turnaround, if this be true.  It
>could mean a Kevin Willis-magnitude comeback,
>All-Star caliber play, a Blazer championship,
>all that.

  Maybe not _all_ that.  But it could at least
mean that The Duck will provide starter-quality
play for the first time in about three years.

Tom Hyer
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Collegian on the Dream Team
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:59:33 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <BtzDwC.J44@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Think about it guys -- did it really matter who was selected to
>	play on the Dream Team from the college ranks?

To be honest, no.
>Just look at the minutes Laettner got -- even when they were winning
>by 50, he didn't play but 5-6 minutes a game. 

He got more time in the TOA, especially against the Venezuelans.  He also got
17 minutes against the Germans when Barkley fouled out.  But he knew his place.

>
>	In my opinion -- sure it was an honor to be selected to play on
>	the Olympic Team -- but look what it might do to one's confidence.
>	I saw Laettner throughout the entire tournament, and I NEVER saw
>	him break a single smile on his face.

Being chosen to play with the greatest team of all time does not seem like a 
confidence breaker to me.  I'm sure that he now knows that if he could hold
his own in practice against these guys, he can do all right in the NBA.  He'll
never have to face competition this good ever again.  His dourness has more to
do with his basic personality than his playing time, IMO.  Many times in his
Duke career he would look extremely bored, especially if Duke was up by a ton.
He only really got excited when the game was close, and thrived on the
pressure.  Luckily for him, the T'wolves won't be blowing out many people 
this year!

>In fact, when they were on the gold medal stand and people like Magic and 
>Barkley were so happy -- Laettner was standing there like he didn't really 
>give a shit. 

  I saw an interview with CL a few weeks before the Olympics.  R*y F***s***e
asked him what he would be feeling after the US won the gold medal, assuming
they did.  CL said it would be sadness, since he knew that he would never 
play with these people again.  

--Rob Clough
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From: rda452j@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (R.A. Misajon)
Subject: Re: Australia vs. NCAA teams
Summary: in reply to bullshit rob
	 ron
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:23:01 GMT

In article <9224318.28627@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK) writes:
> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
> 
> 
> >  How many NCAA teams could have beaten the Aussie
> >olympic squad?  How would they have done at the
> >NCAA tournament?
> 
> >  My best guess is that Australia could field a
> >borderline top 20 team.  Let's think about it:
> 
> Given that the US team was *extremely* fortunate to beat Australia
> for the bronze in '88, how can you say that the Australian olympic
> team is not even a top 20 NCAA side?  Weren't the old US teams
> supposed to be comprised of the *best* college players?
> 
> 
> 
> Rob

  Get your facts right,Rob the U.S KICKED THE Aussie's butt in that game
  without breaking a sweat.In fact they just about doubled their score.
 Extremely fortunate indeed!!!1
 I should know, i have that game on tape. The N.B.L sucks.
 It's a place where N.B.A rejects go to and star in.
 Watch the difference in standard and get you're facts right before you start r
writing bullshit.By the way i'm Australian , I support Australia but they 
have a very loooooonnnnng way to yet before they can compute with the 
basketball super powers. Anyone who knows basketball should know that.
just stay realistic O.K
From: ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: lakers
Date: 25 Aug 1992 21:08:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

   For those people who have written the Lakers off, RECONSIDER!!!
   With the probable return of Magic, this team will be stronger and
     quicker than before.  With the addition of James Edwards, they can
     either play a power ball game inside, with Vlade, edwards, and Perkins
     or they can play a more faster, fluid games with worthy,Campell, and
     of course A.C. Green.  In the backcourt, the lakers will perhaps be
      the deepest of any team, with Magic and Scott starting.  The second
      backcourt unit would consist of Sedale Threatt and Anthony Peeler,
      the rookie who will bring explosive scoring punch, while sitting on
       the bench is also the highly regarded Duane Cooper, a rookie from
       USC who has done extremely well in the Summer pro League.
       
       Now, how could this team finish next to last, as one person posted
       a few days ago, obviously he doesn't know his basketball.
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:42:59 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <5109@dove.nist.gov>, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.190046.3975@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg
|> Domaratzki) writes:
|> |>From: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg Domaratzki)
|> |>Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
|> 
|> |>The Bird/Magic rivarly was awesome because the two players were so evenly
|> |>matched with thier respected teams.  They were also UNDOUBTABLY the leaders
|> |>on their team, and were UNDOUBTABLY the best two players in the league at
|> |>the time.  KJ is the leader of the Suns, and Charles is not undoubtably the
|> |>second best player in the league right now.
|> |>
|> |>FLAME BAIT:
|> |>There never has and never will be another rivarly as fierce as that between
|> |>Magic and Bird in professional sports.
|> 
|> Ok, you undoubtedly have a catch. First off, all of this talk about the 
|> Bird/Magic rivalry doesn't seem to make too much sense to me, since they
|> didn't play one another all that often. Could someone please post the 
|> teams in the finals during the eighties. Now if you want to talk about a 
|> rivalry, let's talk about the Sixers/Boston series in the early eighties.
|> At least the teams met one another practically every year with some amazing
|> series.
|> 

That's the point... you see, they met almost without wavering in the finals every 
year, as well as twice a year during teh regular season, and the entire season
to many fans was played BUILDING UP for this intense showdown between the two 
greatest players of the 80's. Sure, the Sixers and the Celts had an intense
rivalry, but the Lakers rivalry was the most memorable.

|> Yes, Bird and Magic were some of the greatest players ever and seem to have 
|> an era named after them, but where's all of the rivalry? Maybe you're 
|> speaking of the MVP award that Bird won what three years in a row? Maybe 
|> someone can post the MVPs for the eighties also.
|> 
|> Oh yeah, both Bird & Magic had some pretty good supporting staffs, like 
|> Kareem, Worthy, Parrish, McHale, etc.
|> 


Do you think people would have given a shit about the rivalry if both teams had
been in the cellar? I mean, no offense to anyone, but if Shaq and LAettner had
some kind of rivalry, do you thin it would be as big? NO.. because the teams 
aren't any good... it takes a good team as well to get to the big 7-game rivalry
series everyone waited for.

|> Ron
|> 
|> 
|> |>Reg Domaratzki  University of Waterloo Co-op Student at BNR in Ottawa, Canada
|> |>  "The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
|> |>           - Hobbes


-- Venk --
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: thanks ed and dave
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:57:02 GMT

lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:

>I have a good solution that should please everyone. Dave and Ed should take
>this nonsense to e-mail where they can joust forever without wasting
>extreme amounts of bandwidth.

What a genuine idea! How come no one thought of this before?

>Dr. Norman J. LaFave

    --mack

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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazers sign Dave Johnson
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:45:01 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Sep1.162911.11665@sequent.com> jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering) writes:
>Not sure how that all works out with the salary cap since Johnson supposedly
>filled the last salary slot left open (a 500K slot this year). 

 According to yesterday's article in the Oregonian, Portland still has one
$500,000 "exception" which is the result of the cap going up. This was news
to me as I also thought Johnson would have filled the last salary slot.

>  Other possibilities:
>
>  Lamont Strothers
>  Robert Pack
>  Ennis Whatley

 I think Ennis has an "open" invitation to fall camp, but I don't know
if he will even bother to come. He can attend any camp he wants to and
given his chances of making the team are very remote, he may be choose
to entertain going to Europe, the CBA or attending someone's camp which
has a need for a guard.


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:49 GMT

>In article <1992Aug26.232647.23645@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>>If scoring was the issue then WiltChamberlins name would be metioned in
>>the comparision, but he does not contend  with likes of Magic, Jordan
>>and Bird as the motherfucker couldn't do too much else but score.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Oh, and don't forget about all the sisters, daughters and nieces he
    got too. ;)

    --salty



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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: 3-point, dunk contests (Was: Jordan >= Magic && Bird)
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:29:54 GMT

In article <4232@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
> Personally, if they got rid of the three point contest and the dunk
>contest I would care not one bit. Especially the dunk contest. I don't
>see the connection between the dunk contest and basketball at all. Why
>not just have them go out there and figure skate or do gymnastics -
>you know those sports are "judged" as well. Give a guy 9.9 for putting
>in the basket, looks more like 2 to me ;-). Just my personal opinon,
>people must love those events, they keep having them after all. I usually
>catch the 3 Point contest, but I got bored watching the dunk-a-thon when
>they started wearing blindfolds. What's next, handcuffs and full frontal
>nudity?

In general I find the 3-point contest is a lot more interesting and exciting
than the slam dunk contest.  Part of it is the fact that the slam dunk
contest is judged, and part is that the slams just aren't as exciting outside
the context of a game.  It's always a thrill when a guy slams over one or
more defenders, and in a breakaway situation there's a few seconds of
anticipation over what he's going to do when he gets to the hoop.  A good
alley-oop slam may be the most fun of all.  You don't get any of that in
the slam dunk contest.

On the other hand, Terrence Stansbury's (I think that was his name) picture
perfect 360 of a few years ago, Kenny Walker's whirling dervish windmill
slams when he won the event, and Jordan's incredible lean-in, horizontal
gliding slam were all worth watching.  Oh yeah, Spud Webb was a helluva lot
of fun to watch, too.

The ought to reserve a couple of spots in each year's contests for non-NBA
participants.  I'd love to see some junior high school PE teacher win the
3-point shootout, and you know there are some folks like that who could go
out there and compete with the big boys.
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Shall we deify a Bird? (was: All North Carolina team)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:06:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.212650.9388@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>The Bulls totally depend on Michael to be #1 and magic's retirement pulled down
>the Lakers from #2 in the league ('91) to total disaster last season. As
The Lakers also had Allstar-caliber players
Worthy, Divac, and Perkins, among others,
out for more or less of the season with
injuries, and they *still* won one playoff
game against the WC champs.  Fans in Houston
or Indianapolis or SF ... are likely to
judge "total disaster" different from you.

Magic's contribution is a separate issue,
which I think Mr. Meeks adequately addressed
in his follow-up.
-- 

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