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From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Patrick Dubbrow
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:12:14 GMT

bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Benjamin D. Lukoff") writes:
: Patrick Dubbrow wanted me to post this for him because he only has
: read-only access to the bulletin board.
: 
: >Would you be so kind to tell me if Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
: also >released "Please Please Me" or other Beatles records in stereo on
: CD? It's >very sad that any of the early Beatles records on CD that I
: see in >Germany are in mono.
: 
: Ben Lukoff

MFSL released a boxed set called "The Beatles Collection" (original, huh?) which
had ALL the British stereo mixes, plus an alignment/test disk, in a really
nifty case.  It went for heaps of money, and as a student at the time, the
chances of buying it were pretty much nil.  Since then, however, they have
released many (all?) of the albums individually, I have most of them from
that source.  They sound very good, probably better than the CD's (nicer
mixing), but as always, vinyl is a pain in the a*s to play.

Speaking of mixing, has anyone else noticed that John's guitar parts on
Rubber Soul seem to be mixed further back in the mix on the CD than they
were on the LP?

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Pherrets are Phun!! 
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Dueling "World Without Love"s
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.214355.17365@mic.ucla.edu> dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>
>Remember too that the late great Del Shannon recorded "From Me To
>You" in June 1963 (it spent a paltry 4 weeks on the charts, highest
>position being 77) after having toured with the Beatles and other
>British acts in April 1963. Del probably didn't require a demo of
>the song, either. :-)
>
Interesting fact for you trivia buffs out there. Del Shannons version of
From Me to You was the first tune written by the Beatles to Chart in the
United States.

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: McCartney Rarity.
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:54:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.080036.26655@bristol.ac.uk> ccrjgw@bristol.ac.uk
(Bob Walker) writes:

>what was apparently a demo of Paul singing Mary Hopkin's "Goodbye", very
>much in the style of Mary Hopkin. Is this track available anywhere else?

Yes, it's been bootlegged for some years now.  If the radio version is
any better in sound quality, rest assured it will be booted also.

This would date to early 1969, so it's a Beatles-era recording, even
if it's only Paul on it.  I don't know your collection policy :-)

--Joe Brennan
From: hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: You Know My Name in stereo? (was Re: The worst Beatles compilations?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:43:55 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Jul30.135924.15659@udel.edu> galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska) writes:

>Nope, "You Know My Name" was only mixed for mono...

>Now, close your eyes and imagine what a stereo mix would sound like....

>Any audio engineers out there wanna propose a stereo mix????
>I'm sure Mr. Martin won't mind...  :-)

I think if you look it up in "The Book", you'll find that it would be quite
impossible...


PS. Sorry, for the redundant post, I've been away for a couple of days...

					James Willer email to jmw1388@cs.rit.edu
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 Hanan Polansky. I don't know. I never asked.}

>-- 
>Scott Galuska
>Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
>Univ of Delaware
>galuska@asel.udel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Hey Jude
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:51:14 GMT

I, for one, don't beleive in the 'sanctity of the creative process', or whatever
the term was.  I feel that bootlegs are an excellent way to learn how
they were thinking while writing songs.  One excellent example that leaps
to mind is Let It Be.  I have ...um...heard a tape of Paul playing it to
the group for what was obviously the first time (he was calling off the
chords for them, which in itself was surprising, but I digress....).

It is quite interesting listening to the various takes of this song, and figuring
out which were first, last, and which ones had parts which were culled/edited
out.  There's an extra verse to "While My Guitar....", in which George sings
something like "I look through the weeds at the play you are staging.....while 
I'm sitting here doing  nothing but aging".  It seems to me he's commenting on
his dissatisfaction with the group, and how it had turned into a situation
where he felt he was losing control and just being used as a studio musician.

To say that bootlegs shouldn't exist is to say that these types of insights
could never be known.  I, for one, would miss that.


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: alisg@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Her Majesty - a post scriptum
Reply-To: alisg@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:03:12 GMT

In article <Jul23.180849.64929@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.064008.27436@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio  Codogno) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.180411.15434@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>> franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc) writes:

>In Peter Brown's book (I think it's called 'The Love You Take'??)
>the foreword (again, my horrible memory fails me, maybe it's not
>the foreword) quotes the last line of "The End" as the last line
>of the last song of the Beatles career.  I got the impression that
>people close to the Beatles think that way.  Has anyone else read
>the book and have a better memory than I? :-)
>
>Jeff         wayman@lamar.colostate.edu

I read the book, and though I remember the title as "The Love You Make," you
are correct in that it attributes the line as the last line of the last song. I
remember this because at the time I read the book, I had not heard the Abbey
Road album in _years_, and when I bought the CD, I was surprised that the line
in question _wasn't_ the last. Rather miffed, too, though as several people
have pointed out, ending the album on such a note (no pun intended) might well
have seemed pretentious.

Question, though: would it have seemed pretentious or heavy if the Boys had
stayed together and continued recording? Or is it only in retrospect, knowing
it was the last album, that we think so? Even though things were bad by then,
did they _really_ know it was over, do you think?

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From: rnimtz@chevalley.helios.nd.edu (richard nimtz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Help!" single ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:57:02 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul17.204653.9754@en.ecn.purdue.edu> prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:
>
>Since we've been discussing discrepancies and ommissions from Lewisohn's
>Book, I thought I'd ask a question that's been on my mind, and that I
>don't see covered in "Recording Sessions" ...  Exactly WHERE is the single
>version of "Help!" from?  It appears on the _Rarities_ album, as well as
>the 3" CD single, but Lewisohn makes no mention of the obvious (to me,
>at least) differences in the single mix and the stereo album version.
>For example, and most notably, the lack of tambourine on the single
>version.  Also, it sounds as if Lennon's vocal is double-tracked on
>the album version, and there are a few minor lyrical changes (for example,
>I think he exchanges "and now ..." for "but now ...").  Also, if someone
>has the original mono LP for _Help!_, perhaps they could check if the single
>version is the same as the mono album mix.
>
>Has anyone else noticed this?  Just curious ...
>

If memory serves me properly, the mix on the US mono _Help!_ lp is the same
mix as the stereo lp. When the 3" CD came out I compared the two versions,
actually I listened to every copy of the song I had. The only differences
were between the 3" CD (also on _Rarities_) and the stereo version.

Rick Nimtz
Nimtz.1@nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Her Majesty
From: rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Robert James Mohammed Monk)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:44:43 GMT
Reply-To: rm34@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Media Maven

In article <1992Jul22.094346.5374@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>I've heard a bootleg of what seems to be the same take of HM with the final
>chord, it sounds OK.  Why is it cut off on the album?

They liked it that way :-).
 
>{I}s there an artistic reason for it, other than to drive people nuts with 
>the unresolved tonal series?

Yes.  ;-)

>Just wondering.

No prob.

Brother Robert
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The worst Beatles compilations? (was: Re: The Old Mixmaster)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 11:19:43 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
|brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
|>Easy... pick through those American albums on Atco and MGM and their
|>subsidiaries that have 4 Tony Sheridan recordings with unrelated other
|>junk.  The Atco probably "wins" because they had someone overdub Pete
|>Best's drumming on a couple of them-- thereby making the records even
|>less authentic.
|Nah, the wonderfully deceptive covers with the line:"including the hits 
|"I Want to Hold Your Hand", "She Loves You", and "Please Please Me"  
|(not bothering to mention that these renditions were not by the fabs 
|themselves, but instead by "The Swallows", or some other equally obnoxious 
|"group") easily raise those LP's to minimally useful (if not listenable).

You know, if these people were selling plastic lawn furniture or something
with similarly deceptive advertising, they'd be shut down by the Federal
Trade Commission or by some state Attorney General or something.

How come the record business gets away with it?  It's not as if we're
talking about some fly-by-night company that *only* issued a few ripoffs
and faded away.  Atco is Atlantic Records, the "A" of the current WEA
conglomerate, and the same company seemed to care a lot about the music
and its integrity in some of their soul releases.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio  Codogno)
Subject: Re: Analog Beatles
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 07:01:36 GMT

In article <UeOiSg200awH8GlV9Y@andrew.cmu.edu> "Benjamin D. Lukoff" <bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Capitol and EMI are probably releasing the first four British Beatles
>albums in mono because they think that's the way you remember the music
>when you first bought it....
 
According to the Book, engineers polished mono version of first albums
much more than stereo. And consensus was reached in rmb some months ago
that it was George Martin who asked to retain mono. My copies of the
CDs have ADD on the sleeve, covered by a stick which says "ADD should
read AAD", which means the decision was *very* late.
 
ciao! .mau.
From: jimk@fab4.UUCP (Jim Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Scientific American (August issue)
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: jimk@fab4.UUCP (Jim Kendall)
Organization: Fab Four Archive - Liberty Lake, Wa.


Imagine my suprise when I opened my August issue of Scientific American
to see a photograph of John and Paul gracing the table of contents.
Curious, I rapidly flipped the pages to the related article and found
an extremely interesting dissertation on the differences in pitch per-
ception relative to height vs. position on the "chromatic clock" in
control groups of southern Californians and south Englanders. Apparently,
the two groups perceive musical pitch intervals quite differently.

This paradox only serves to re-enforce my belief in the magical, musical
ecclectic of the Fab's genius.

This is suggested reading for all of those interested in musical per-
ception and construction between ethnic groups (particularly you, Alan.)

(my email address is still under construction, so please respond here.)

Cheers!

--
"You said it all when not many had ears...."
                             (Spike and Nelson Wilbury)
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From: shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles Songs in 3/4
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:11:23 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Jul27.042106.9758@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.182950.12591@oclc.org> rms@oclc.org (Russ Schnall) writes:
>>I was trying to remember which Beatles' songs are written in 3/4 time.
>>4/4 and its variants seem to be the most predominant today.  Any ideas why 3/4
>>time is not used so much?
> 
> Because you can't DANCE to it!  (Unless you wanna waltz!)
> 
> As for Beatles songs in 3/4, try "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away",
> which is the only one I can remember off of the top of my head right
> now.  Oh, also a small section of "We Can Work It Out" (the parts between
> John's sections and Paul's verses ...)
> 
> -- 
> David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu
> "So walk tall ... or baby, don't walk at all."
>  -Bruce Springsteen, "New York City Serenade" (1973)

"I Me Mine" was also in 3/4 time.

Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: c8906822@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:08:53 GMT

There's a bit in "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", where McCartney laughs while
singing the lines : "....so he waits behind
		     writing (laughs) 50 times....."

everytime, and I mean EVERYTIME, I hear that I think what IS McCartney
laughing at!!! So if anyone out there has read/heard/or has an opinion tell me!
This might seem like a stupid question, but I thought "what the hell, can't
hurt?

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Stereo vs. Twin-track and other recording nits
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:02:57 GMT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh!  Enough already!

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Desert Island Discs?
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:18:39 PDT

In article <5184@transfer.stratus.com> gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:
>
>1.  I heard a radio program last week while driving in my car.  It was DJ'ed
>    by Paul McCartney and was called something like 'If I were on a desert
>    island and could only own so many records these are the ones I would
>    own' (obviously not the real name, but you get the idea).  I was just
>    wondering if anyone else had heard this and if so, is it to be aired
>    again?

Sounds like a McCartney appearance from several years ago on the BBC
radio show "Desert Island Discs", variants of which can be occasionally
found in American programming---you know, if you had only ten records
to take with you to a desert island, what would they be? As I recall,
Macca's taste was rather eclectic on this show (I didn't hear it, just
read a transcription), but among the songs he chose was John's "Beautiful
Boy." It's nice to see that the good Doctor is still a sentimental old
fluff. :-)
 
I'm not aware that "...Discs" is syndicated or repeated in the American
radio market, but individual stations may be running it.

--
"Modern music is, however, the groups' delight, and as if to prove the
point, John and Paul have written over 50 tunes, ballads & faster
numbers, during the last three years!"_________________________________
                                        saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Who wrote what?  Does it matter?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:45:48 GMT

In the book 'the Playboy Interviews", John and the interviewer go over the
albums one by one, discussing each song in some detail, as I recall.  It's
a good addition to any collection, check it out!

    
--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Pherrets are Phun!! 
SAAB - you get what you pay for; you pay (and pay, and pay) for what you get.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska)
Subject: Mary Wells (was Re: *sigh*)
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.182042.2004@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>mary wells, best known for touring with the beatles in late 1964,
>died the other day after a long bout with throat cancer.  she was 49.

Well, I don't know if she was BEST known for touring with the Fabs (maybe to
some members of this group :-) )- I think most people know her for her #1 
Motown hit, "My Guy" (written & produced by Smokey Robinson).

A sad loss indeed.  

-- 
Scott Galuska
Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
Univ of Delaware
galuska@asel.udel.edu
From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: *sigh*
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:20:42 GMT
Reply-To: hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear

mary wells, best known for touring with the beatles in late 1964,
died the other day after a long bout with throat cancer.  she was 49.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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Subject: to Chris bbs.oit.unc.edu 152.2.22.80
From: l00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:15:26 -0600
Reply-To: l00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

Chris,
I was reading your article about the strange record you have.  You mentioned astrange "Phil and Ronnie" on this 'bootleg'.  I may be wrong, but it could refer to Phil Spector, a producer of many later beatle records, and Ronnie Hawkins, a guy that <i know nothing about, but a guy who John does a promotional bit for 
on a single that I have obtained in my beatles collection.  I would be curious to find out any other information on this, too.
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Need help in finding out who sang a particular song
Date: 30 Jul 1992 03:17:21 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

sameer@techbook.com writes:
> [...] trying to find out who sang a song:
>
>	He ain't heavy, he's my brother .......

The Hollies.  (I know everyone knows; but maybe by posting this I can
save the poor person from getting mail from everyone in the newsgroup...)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: am668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cleveland Law Library Assoc.)
Subject: People
Reply-To: am668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cleveland Law Library Assoc.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:40:08 GMT


People Magazine's July 27 issue has an article on the
leading pop idols of the last fifty years. There is
language to the effect that if the most important words
in human history were "Let there be Light," the second
most significant phrase was "Meet the Beatles."

Now, I suppose the reason some of us are lurkers rather
than posters, is that we recognize the truth of that
sentiment in our own lives - it's irrational, it's
almost embarassingly trivial, somewhat juvenile, but at its
core so true that it hurts. (It's even embarassing to admit
to picking up a copy of People because there might be a couple
of paragraphs about the Beatles!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: McCartney's Second MTV Unplugged Appearance
Keywords: McCartney Unplugged
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:17:32 GMT

Billboard magazine dated July 18, 1992 has an article entitled
Unplugged Sets Making Sparks at Retail: McCartney Success 
Spurs on Carey, Clapton, Sting starting on page 8 and ending
on page 75. It has the following paragraph:

MTV and [Richard] Ogden (PaulUs manager) are now discussing 
a second Unplugged appearance by McCartney that will air
around Christmas. The format is still being decided, but Ogden
expects it to include songs from a 1993 McCartney release as
opposed to concentrating on oldies like his previous appearance.

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