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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:46:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1av1h4INNceu@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>>It doesn't help parents like me who are trying to raise our sons to
>>>be prosocial rather than aggressive, to run up against people like
>>>that father at the playground.  But, to anticipate any other such
>>>macho types out there, such a childrearing goal does not mean that
>>>my son will not be able to assert himself.  Just as I would
>>>want a daughter to be self-assertive but not violent, I expect the
>>>same level of civilized behavior from my son.
>> 
>> Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
>>the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
>>He's going to encounter confrontations ten fold.
>> At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
>> Eventually your son will being fighting for his slice of the pie
>>in life and you are not going to be there.
>
>I guess you qualify for one of those "macho" types I was talking
 
Thank you Miss Feminist. Lets do name calling. After all you are
the sensitive mature peaceful woman of the 90's.
 
>about.  It's views like yours that will perpetuate the stereotypes
>that keep our society from moving ahead.  I did not say anything
 
Thats a good one. Have your son shout it out when some bully see's the
easy mark:
"Don't hit me, it's views like yours that will perpetuate the stereotypes
that keep our society from moving ahead."

 
>about not allowing my son to fight back if it's truly a question of
>self-defense (which in too many cases, it just isn't).  But, there
 
 Oh Diane tell me about your experiences as a young elementary boy.
 
Tell me more about your experiences as a young elementary school boy.
throw out a PC term like "Oh I can't fight you because I've been
raised in a pro social environment." You make me laugh and I feel sorry
for your son.
 
>are different ways of fighting back, and not all involve violence.
>And what does "At some point a man has to do what a man has to do"
>have to do with *children*?  Perhaps you should watch a few less 
 
Since your an idealist and evidently feel everyone on the playground is also
I'll let you float on in your dream. 
 
When your son comes home humiliated from the playground just keep
repeating "We're prosocial, We're pro social".
 
>Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the

 
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From: SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:15:59 GMT
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

Um, Charles, speaking from a considerably unsettling personal
experience that I then checked out with a couple of specialists,
*never* boot post-pubescent males in the balls.  Thing is, about
9 out of ten will fold up, go away, cease being problem, but the
last guy, well, he's berserk now and doesn't feel *anything*.
Which means that you have to be able to hurt him really bad -
one broken leg will sometimes not be enough.  (An old style
brass fire extinguisher over the head isn't entirely unreliable,
but they're not neccesarily handy.)

What does this have to do with soc.singles?  Be very careful of
your knees during tickle fights?

Graydon
From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: high HCG results need net wisdom again
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:10:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark) writes:


>With our first child, Mary had the AFP test.  The doctor told us that a high 
>result was an indication to terminate the pregnancy.  After the test but before
>we saw the results, we decided that the results were irrelevant.  A high result
>really just meant that there was a slightly higher chance that the fetus had a
>neural tube defect.  Of these, most would be spina bifida, a cripling but not
>necesarily life ruining disease.  The rest would be anencephaly which would 
>prove fatal within days of delivery.  We decided that in both cases, Mary 
>would carry the child to term.  In any case, the results were normal but we
>both wish that we hadn't agreed to the test.

This doesnt have anything to do with the original posters questions, since
sheis dealing with a possiblity of Downs, and not neural tube defects, but I
thought I would point out that Mark's info may be a bit misleading.

1) I would say that the Doctor who told Mark that a bad AFP result was a 
reason to terminate a pregnancy is a *QUACK*. It is well known that there is
an extremely high error rate from the AFP. A bad result indicates the need
for furthur testing. I can well understand his frustration with the medical
establishment if that is the sort of medical care they were receiving.

2) Spina Bifida is not *always* crippling. I had an office partner with a
son who was a hig shcool super jock. He complained about leg pains when he
ran. Everyone assured him it was just growing pains, but one of his coaches
(he was on 3-4 teams) took him to a sports Doctor just to be sure. The Doctor
couldnt find anything, anf then just ot be sure, took and X-Ray of his spine.
The boy had spina bifida - but a mild case. Most people, less active then this
boy, would never have known they had such a mild case. I also had neighbors
who gave birth to a baby with spina bifida. The prognosis was bad for her
ever walking. Between those two very different cases there is a whole
spectrum of severity.

3) Permamant damage can be caused to aa baby with Spina Bifida during the 
birth. This damage can be avoided/minimzed if there is a C-section. The baby
would have a better chance of leading a more normal life. This is one of the
best reasons for testing that I can think of.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:56:42 GMT

In <ANNE.92Oct9221335@dolores.Stanford.EDU> anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson) writes:

> Also, the U.S. has a similar population to Canada, but dissimilar
> statistics, a Canandian netter reported the last time this argument
> was advanced.

>-- Anne

I don't think Canada has a similar population to the US.  Doesn't
Canada, as compared with the US, have a very flat income/wealth
distribution?  I also think Canada lacks a demographic segment the
previous poster was discussing:  the permanently impoverished,
disenfranchised, out-of-the-mainstream "underclass".
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: First bicycle - when?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:39:32 GMT
 <cindy.97@berkp.uadv.uci.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maine System

well, katy got her first two-wheeler thi ssummer, which is the
summer before she went to kindergarten, in whihc she was five and
a half.  she doesn't ride it the usual way, though.  she sits on it
and pushes herself with her feet.  but then, she never pedalled her
tricycle either...

so this is ONE data point!
                                        -ailsa
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Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark)
Subject: Just in case you care about my new kid.
Summary: Birth anouncement
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:00:18 GMT

Margaret Kathleen Stark was born in our home on Sunday October 4.  She
weighed 9 pounds and came out after only 8 hours of labor.  Mary might object
to my use of the word "only".  We provide no medication to laboring mothers
in our home.  Neither do we perform any episiotomies.  Mary, Margaret, Robbie
(Mary's brother) and I are all very happy and I just wanted to share.



-- 
---Mike Stark                         | stark@umdhep.umd.edu
   Physics Department
   University of Maryland
   College Park, MD  20742
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:31:34 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct6.224956.24264@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.194400.1479@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>>No, he's comparing macintosh and delicious.  You, when you talk about
>>>drinking motor oil, are comparing apples and oranges.
>>	AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH but I am not!!!!!!
>>	What is one of the principal items that kids react to, according
>>	to Feingold?
>>	Artificial Food colorings and dies!!
>>	And what are these things made of??????
>>	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Joel Levin was right.  The entertainment value listening to this guy
>is almost worth the aggravation.  Too bad he's raising kids, tho.
>

	So you dispute my facts?
	Is a humerous slam a valid refute of fact?
	Not looking at evidence and facts is not a valid answer.
	Am I wrong?

	Yes I am at MIT.  We try to look at evidence.  Not common
	rhetoric we've learned.

	That's why it's R & D.

	I could read a book to find out what people already know.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:14:32 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1b00l3INN5jf@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
> 
> In article <1615@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper) writes:
>>My father and mother were born in Poland.  When their families
>>passed through Ellis Island, (so the story goes), part of my
>>father's family was effectively "renamed" because the immigration
>>officials were tired of trying to spell, "Buraczenski" (my maiden
> 
> Reminds me of when I worked at Teletype in Skokie, IL.  There were a couple
> managers - I don't know if they were related - one named "Al Purzicki"
> and the other "Ted Prysziecki (very approximately, from memory)"  both
> pronounced the same way.
> -- 
> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
> haynes@cats.bitnet
> 
> "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
>         Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

A long time ago I worked briefly in the personnel department of Wright
Patterson AFB.  Somewhere on base there was a man whose name was/is 
Baby Cherry.  Yep, that's legal given name.  Another man on the base 
was named Seventeen Boudeen.  His brother worked at Warner Robbins AFB
in Georgia.  His name was Sixteen Boudeen.  (I can just picture this 
poor exhausted mother, birthing her sixteenth child and just numbering
him!)

Sue
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 16:36:03 EST
From: <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Wine sauce
 <brein-071092153322@128.149.100.150>

In article <brein-071092153322@128.149.100.150>, brein@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry
Rein) says:
>
>I believe the concerns of light drinking during pregnancy are blown far out
>of proportion. The absolutist no-alcohol-at-all-during-pregnancy position
>makes women feel bad about themselves and their bodies for no good reason,
>while depriving them of a little pleasure at a time when they could use
>some.
>
Amen - AMEN !

What we, and our doctors, often forget; the studies about alcohol during
pregnancy in regards to fetal alcohol syndrome were done on alcoholic
mothers, women who were drinking in excess every single day of their
pregnancies.

Cynthia Eldredge
James's mama (1/30/92)
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct5.120308.1873@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>Tell me: what possible side-effects of Ritalin are you worried about?
>>It wasn't even tried, I take it.
>>
>
>	Drug dependancy!!!!
>

Drug dependancy????  There is no drug dependancy with ADD patients
and their Ritalin or Cylert.  Neither is there with narcoleptics,
who also need this medication to function normally.  I've treated
many and never once have seen a drug dependency problem in any
of them.  Ritalin addicts are rare and I've seen a few of those
too, none of which were given Ritalin to treat any medical condition.
They are people who take it for a high, usually in much higher doses
than needed as medication.  Our society is truly hysterical about
the dangers of drug addiction.
-- 
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
Summary: I'm in that situation
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:12:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T


My brother is 12 yrs older than I, and my sister is 10 yrs older.
And it's been a great life!  It is fabulous having siblings this much
older, like a 2nd "mom" and a 2nd "dad".  We did lots of great fun things
together, and they used to take me to lots of fun places.   I used to
completely idolize my brother when I was a kid, he used to make the neatest
things for me.  It was tough when he went into the air force when I
was so little though, I missed him terribly.  But it was neat when they
each had boyfriends/girlfriends, they would each take me on dates with
them.  I was really lucky!  And to still be so young when they each
moved out of the house was neat too, basically like growing up as
the only child (at home) but lucky enough to still have siblings.
And now that I'm older (26 now) it's still great.  Having so many nieces
and nephews is great, and having an incredible wealth of information about
everything from kids to house repairs not just from the folks but from
my siblings and their spouses.  And of course, as one would imagine,
I was very spoiled by them (still am!).  

I always felt very lucky to have siblings so much older.  Couldn't
imagine life without it, or life with siblings of a closer age.
I think we get along much better being so different in age than
closer-in-age siblings we know.  

It was and is truly wonderful.  And very funny at times when I look
back at things.  Like being so little and can't --- for the life of me ---
wonder why the heck sis wanted to be "alone" with her boyfriend to
watch tv.  Or being jealous of my brother's girlfriends for "stealing"
him and his time away from me.  

Don't worry, be happy about it!  It's wonderful!  

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93


 
From: jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:54:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Gerry backpacks
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: misc.kids

    We have one too and in the time between kids it mildewed right where
    my daughter would put her face. It looks like you would have to cut
    it off the frame and resew it.
    My sister has a back pack good for bigger kids and I used it with my
    2 1/2 year old hiking and it works great. It has a frame and is pretty
    comfortable for both of us
    If you find a way to remove the fabric offf the Gerry pack I would
    appericate your solution.

    Thanks 
    Jeff Brown
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Cute things they say (3 years old)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:07:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


I was trying to persuade my just-turned-3-year-old to stay in bed,
instead of getting up for one more stuffed animal, one more drink, etc.
She looked at me with that instructional look they get sometimes and
said, "Big kids stay in bed.  Little kids get up.  That's the rule!"

Vicki O'Day
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (3YO)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:51:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     My best friend here at school reports that his dad was taking his older
brother and sister on a tour of London, where he was teaching.  They were
quite bored as he kept saying all these places that were hundreds of years
old.
    On the way back to the motel, they passed a construction site.  The
dad pointed out the new building going up, and the 3YO boy said:
"Yeah, and I'll bet it's hundreds of years old, too!"
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:35:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.120343.12568@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

>	Oh.  We've got a 5th food group!

BTW - if you follow the 'Basic Four' guidelines for servings with no 
added fats and use lowfat meats, your diet will average 1200 calories 
a day.

 


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Re: infant excema
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:05:10 GMT

In article <harvey.719006476@taupe> harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey) writes:
>
>My 11 month old daughter has atopic dermatitis (aka infant excema).  The
>dermatologist has given us some topical medicine and moisturizers as well a
>list of "dry skin do's and don't's" including directions for bathing.
>
This must be an up and coming problem!  There have been 3 requests in the
last month and I don't recall seeing it mentioned before.  We had
"infant ecsema" with Laura (now 3) and it's just starting with Brian.
Laura outgrew it at age 2, but still has dry skin in the winters.
Our pediatrician was of little use, but we saw a dermotologist whose
own baby had the condition.  This is what she recommended (and it
worked for us).

Baths:  not too hot or too long
        can add Alpha Keri lotion (not everytime, if it's a girl - bath
                                   additives can cause urinary tract 
                                   infections)
        moisturize after bath while still wet
        Head and Shoulders - shampoo
        Cetaphil - a non-soap cleanser

Creams: Eucerin (a moisturizer) applied twice a day
        Aquaphor (a moisture barrier) applied over the Eucerin
        1% Cortisone ointment (not cream!) twice a day or as needed
            (we only used it about twice a week)

Laundry Detergent - Dreft or Ivory Snow

Anyway, this seemed to work to keep Laura's ecsema under control.  We
still use "baby" laundry detergent, but are able to use Dove soap and
regular baby shampoo, need a moisturizer only in the winter etc.
We were able to use any sunscreen.  
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Air travel w/2 yr old!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:34:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.165755.3695@island.COM> ett@island.island.COM (Ed T. Tabachini) writes:
>I'm about to embark on a 5 hour flight with a 2 year old and a 9 month old.
>I'm not worried about the 9 monther but the 2 year old has now officially
>entered the "Terrible Two's!" Any advice on how I can keep him occupied? On
>a similar flight a few months back he couldn't keep still and sometimes
>resorted to crying- if possible, I'd like to spare the other passengers. It's
>a morning departure so it's not near his nap time. Does cough medicine help
>make him drowsy and more subdued?
>

We use the one new toy/hour of flight method.  Small toys are, of course,
recommended since you have to carry these on board.  Travel magnadoodle is
by far the best toy I've found for flights.  Other successes have been 
book/tape combinations with a walkman, colorforms, coloring books and markers,
kush balls (sp?), toy cars, and action figures.

My kids LOVE flying because they know the diaper bag will be filled with new
toys for them.  They don't have to be expensive.  But it really helps get
through those long flights.

Also, I'm really against medicating a child to calm them.   I know it's 
popular, but it just goes against my grain.  

Oh yes, TAKE HIS CARSEAT!  It doesn't stop the crying, but sure does keep
the wiggling down to a minimum.  Most children are used to sitting still in
their carseats.  Plus, they're much safer that way.

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: RE: No Santa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:12:19 GMT

In article <holly.251@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>I think its wonderful of you all not to tell your kids about Santa or that 
>Santa is pretend.  However, I have a problem.  I'm one of those parents who 
>told my daughter the Santa lie.  She's now 9 years old and refuses to give 
>him up.  

Why have you decided what age you require your child to change her way of
thinking?  Is there some button inside you that says at 6 its okay to believe,
but at 9 its NOT okay anymore?  

My advice is to let her keep believing in Santa since she does and since you
contributed to this belief.  Is there any harm being done?  I think your
daughter shows courage for still believing at age 9 when most of her classmates
have given up.  My guess is that she gains something very important to her by
holding onto her belief.  

>Signed,
>
>TIRED OF BEING SANTA 

Well, just because she still believes in Santa doesn't mean you have to
BE Santa.  Stop being Santa if you feel that you are tired of it.  Let her
find Santa on her own. 

Signed,

40 YO and still a believer
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake