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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Wakeman on tour?
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:20:14 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk's message of 4 Nov 92 13:11:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.131121.12800@zoo.bt.co.uk> ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman) writes:

   Whilst returning from London the other day, I spotted a poster advertising
   a Wakeman concert, unfortunately the train was just pulling out, so I
   missed the details.

   So, does anyone know if Rick is on the road again, and if so, what the
   tour schedule is?

Funny, I was going to post this anyway....

He'll be at the Pavillion in Worthing on or about the 14th of November...

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: slj1k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: jeff berlin info request
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:06:28 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


anyone hear anything new about what jeff berlin is up to?
	thanks
From: ken@bnf.com (Ken Bibb)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:50:14 GMT
Organization: Byte & Floppy Computers

In <1992Nov6.084102.21629@news.columbia.edu> ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos) writes:

>Although I love DT to pieces, I can sum up the cheese image in one word:
>"Surrounded."

Surrounded is one of the best songs that they do!  It's true that the
beginning doesn't bode well (a little too... Barry Manilow?) but things
definitely pick up.  There are a number of interesting parts throughout
the rest of the song.

And as far as ballads go, track 7 "wait for sleep", is better than
the ballads that the mainstream groups like journey have done.

(Not implying that it's better than "Sugar Mice" or "Kayleigh" ;) )
--
ken@bnf.com	"They're only trying to tell you lies    --XII possibly
		 Trying to make you compromise             writing about
		 To leave reality completely up to them"   Clinton/Gore
-- 
ken@bnf.com	"They're only trying to tell you lies    --XII possibly
		 Trying to make you compromise             writing about
		 To leave reality completely up to them"   Clinton/Gore
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: It Bites
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <CHRISLEY.92Nov9181612@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:

> 
> Here we go again...
> 
> Although It Bites perhaps should not be mentioned in the first few
> lines of the FAQL, Anil's posting is, as you might expect, full of
> hyperbole.
> 
> If you like Saga, or 90125, you might really enjoy It Bites.  I can
> think of many worse bands...


What!?!?  I fail to see any similarities between Saga and It Bites...
Or between _90125_ and It Bites for that matter...
I love Saga, but It Bites, well...hmmm....eekkk.

Kevin


-- 
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Lead Programmer/Analyst/Keyboardist             | Lord Whorfin is supreme..."
Univ. of Pennsylvania Language Analysis Center  |  
3700 Market St, Suite 202  Phila, PA 19104      |       "Vita Non Jerk"
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:46:31 -0500 
From: "Scott T. Lillis" <sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: King Crimson Beginner
	<1992Nov11.134526.10051@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<BJORNL.92Nov12094942@rama.sics.se>

>Red (1974) A bit of a let-down, although it does contain the finest recorded
>track by KC in the form of 'Starless' - there's only one guitarist in the
>world who could play an eight-minute guitar passage on four notes and still
>make it the most emotional experience you've ever had.

Certainly alot of opinion at work here.  IMHO, the grunge/distortion of
the album turns me off a little, but the second side is very innovative.
 The complexity of the rhythm(esp. drums in One More Red Nightmare) and
tone pattern(keys like in 'Red' that Fripp came up with) are undoubtedly
impressive.

>the mid era albums. Fripp is (with a few exceptions) not playing much power
>guitar, instead his guitar is often moving in intricate repetitive rythm
>patterns interleaved with other instruments. Lots of polymetrics in here.
>Adrian Belew definitely has a big influence on these albums. I find
>"Discipline" and the first side of "Beat" the best.
 
Well check "Industry" and "Dig Me" if you're into polyrhythms and
superhuman drumming.  IMHO, I can't see how you like the first side of
Beat more.  I love the first and third track, but Heartbeat, UGGG, I
just go listen to Tears for Fears or something absurd like that.  I like
Requiem on that album, I felt it had a very subtle yet peircing guitar
line.  Great when I'm depressed.  You're right  about the guitar change.
 It does have the power riffs like 21st Century or Lark's part 1. There
is a more 'mathematical' edge to it that still has that little
'twist'(schizophrenic) to it.  Like in Larks' tongues part 3 on Three of
a Perfect Pair, my mouth still falls thruogh the floor when I here that
first riff.  And the guitar looping in Discipline, etc.  I feel like I
could write some mathematical derivation for those songs.  
The new stuff was certainly a different turn.  Unlike the more
east/west-fusion sound of the mid phase, the new stuff was like music of
the future.  Combining technology with complexity of style and using it
to such great extents.  If you as me this is what Techno should be. 
This music makes all those techno morons(ie. Front 242, Skinny Puppy...)
look stupid using samples to cover up for the simple drum machine beat
combined with a repetative synth sample.  Then listen to the Stick(an
intsrument of the future as is) weaved with intricately played digital
drums and digital effects...  Crimson was WORLDS ahead of its time.  Oh
well,  I guess it's popular to use technology to cover the fact that
there is no talent behind your music and you really just out to make
money.  
Sorry for the tangent

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:38:08 GMT

In article <1689C767E.S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo) writes:
>Just for curiosity, an informal (unscientific,etc) poll:
>1.  What (IYHO) is the best funk tune in existence?
>2.  What (IYHO) is the best funk band in existence?

Answers:

1. King Crimson's "One More Red Nightmare"
2. Emerson, Lake & Palmer. No question about it. Check out
"Aquatarkus" for proof.

Boogie 'till you drop baby.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: UK ?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:29:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) says:

>For me, the (rare) redeeming parts were Holdsworth
>guitar solos, who played there (IMHO, of course)
>better that in Gazeuse and Softs.

  I think you're much too hard on the U.K. debut, and far too kind to 
_Bundles_ (if that's the Soft Machine album to which you're referring),
but that's my HO.  :)  Gong's _Gazeuse!_ -- we can split the difference
on that one.  ;)

>A sidenote: does anyone know Alan's opinion on his
>carrier in late-days Soft Machine? For my taste,
>his playing in not great, and the idea to play in
>a group with no one who ever played with more than
>one of original members is ridiculous.

  He must not be entirely ashamed of _Bundles_, since he lists it in 
the so-called "official" discography given in Christopher Hoard's book
_Reaching For The Uncommon Chord_. Perhaps Anil Prasad will be kind 
enough to work Soft Machine into the upcoming interview session he's
got with Allan. 

  Jeff

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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Mail-Order Sourcelist for Progressive Music
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov5.024609.6767@tessi.com> jeff@tessi.com (Jeff Hemmerling) writes:
>ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>> 
>>RANJIT PADMANABHAN, 566 Crystalberry Terrace, San Jose CA  95129
>>                    Email: ranjit@netcom.com
>
>For email I'd use ranjit@synopsys.com instead.

I sent a copy of this posting to Ranjit before I posted it and he
specifically asked me to change it to:  ranjit@netcom.com
                                                                 ptlk
From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: porno for pryos?
Keywords: album?
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:14:27 EST
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa) writes:

> >No, we're not going to flame you for listening to different music, "Bungle",
> >but when you start posting stuff about alternative music to a newsgroup 
> >solely concerned with progressive ROCK,
> 
> OH YEAH?  so how come if you are so concerned with PROG-ROCK
> you have soundgarden and pearl jam in your sig?
> 
 
I didn't say I didn't like "alternative" music (and by that token, Pearl Jam 
and Soundgarden are too mainstream to be considered alternative.)
 
> Please don't be idiotic!.. the only thing that doesn't belong here
> is YOU!
 
Oh, great. On alt.rock-n-roll.metal, there have been thousands of flame wars 
about what groups belong there. Now, I start reading this group, and some 
moron from Stony Brook (of all schools!) is saying *I* don't belong here. 
Let me tell you something, Yuri; I don't give a damn about who you think 
belongs here. And if you're going to start spouting about that sort of thing 
like a net god, I'm sure James "Kibo" Perry will have something to say about 
that.
 
> Do you think that in 1969/70 when the so called prog-rock was being
> developed there was any idiots like you saying "oh this music doesn't
> belong here!"???
> 
> If they 'had your mentality back then, "prog-rock" wouldn't exist!!!
> It is idiots like you who keep labeling music who keep good music
> from being heard with stupid categorizations.
> 
 
Since you seem to care a lot about my .sig file, I'm sure you've noticed my 
somewhat eclectic tastes in music. As for labeling music, ever hear of jazz? 
Rock? Classical? If music had no classification, it'd have no identity! Yes, 
I calssify music. No, I don't give a damn about it.
 
> 
> > 
> >Here's a little primer to help you: Yes, Marillion, King Crimson, Perry 
> >Farrell, The Mahavishnu Orchestra. Which of these does not belong?
> > 
> 
> YOU don't belong.. oh i am so cool i listen to all these bands! oh!
> grow up you fool!
 
"Grow up you fool!" Folks, he's flaming me about maturity!
 
> 
> here is a primer for you: Primus, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Edgar
> Varese, Arnold Schoenberg, Anton Webern, Stravinsky, Hermeto Pascoal
> Dr. Nerve.
> 
> Ah!  and you though you listened to 'progressive' music!!
 
Gee...I don't see too much prog rock in that list. Primus is 
funk-punk-metal, Coltrane and Davis are jazz, Stravinsky is classical...you 
get the point.
 
--Don

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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Various info: Saga, Ange, King Crimson
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:34:54 GMT
	<dinadan.721522465@mcshh.hanse.de>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: dinadan@mcshh.Hanse.DE's message of 11 Nov 92 22:54:25 GMT

In article <dinadan.721522465@mcshh.hanse.de> dinadan@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Detlef Johannsen) writes:

   chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:


   >I hear that Saga will be touring Europe in 1993, as will Ange...
							     ^^^^
   Do you mean the french group, which made very impressive music (some-
   thing between early genesis and french chanson) in the late 70s?

Oui.

   Do you have any tourdates?


Non.
--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: marshall@fs03.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: In a Glass House on CD (was: Re: My Lodon experience: Gentle Giant)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:53:41 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <1992Nov4.191137.1123@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, fgomez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Faustino J. Gomez) writes:
|>
|>I don't think "In a glass house is out on CD and this is probably due to the
|>fact that it was GGs only release on WWA.  "FREEHAND" is out on CD and my copy sounds
|>rather damn good.

According to an advertiser in the latest issue of _Goldmine_ magazine,
_In a Glass House_ was recently released on CD.  I forget the name of
the advertiser, but I recall that the price was US$20.  If no one
beats me to it, I'll post the name of the advertiser tomorrow.

				--MWood
From: worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Bob Marley...
Date: 8 Nov 92 08:19:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi, yes I know that this really doesn't qualify as progressive (Bob Marley and
Yes, Nahhh..). But, here is the story.. my friend wants some Bob Marley GIFs, 
and I told him that I would post and ask for any advice. If you have an FTP
site where I could get them, please mail don't post them (why clutter the net-
work), and understand that this is my friend, not me.. Long live Genesis! 
Thanks for your help.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:43:17 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Where can I get Hawkwind: Xenon Codex?
 <1992Nov10.200826.13038@cunews.carleton.ca>

Are you sure about that record company's name, Anil?

Roadrunner is a thrash metal record label...

Although I don't know what type of music Hawkwind is (ne'er heard 'em), I doubt
they would fit on the same label as the likes of Deicide and Sepultura...

Mike
---
                     Mike Weintraub  mweintr@american.edu
                   The American University ----- Jvi on IRC
            "Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
                         --Rush,  "Grand Designs"
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: What's Your Problem, Yuri ? (Was: Re: porno for pryos?)
Keywords: album?
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov5.090041.26946@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa) writes:
>OH YEAH?  so how come if you are so concerned with PROG-ROCK
>you have soundgarden and pearl jam in your sig?
>Please don't be idiotic!.. the only thing that doesn't belong here
>is YOU!
>Do you think that in 1969/70 when the so called prog-rock was being
>developed there was any idiots like you saying "oh this music doesn't
>belong here!"???
>
>If they 'had your mentality back then, "prog-rock" wouldn't exist!!!
>It is idiots like you who keep labeling music who keep good music
>from being heard with stupid categorizations.
>>Here's a little primer to help you: Yes, Marillion, King Crimson, Perry 
>>Farrell, The Mahavishnu Orchestra. Which of these does not belong?
>
>YOU don't belong.. oh i am so cool i listen to all these bands! oh!
>grow up you fool!
>
>here is a primer for you: Primus, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Edgar
>Varese, Arnold Schoenberg, Anton Webern, Stravinsky, Hermeto Pascoal
>Dr. Nerve.
>
>Ah!  and you though you listened to 'progressive' music!!
>yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu

What's Your Problem, Man ?  Take your flames and go somewhere else.
From: ken@bnf.com (Ken Bibb)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Solstice? Who were the ad wizards that came up with this one?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:55:01 GMT
Organization: Byte & Floppy Computers

In <1992Nov1.075332.14176@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

>I picked up "Silent Dance" by Solstice the other night. It was
>released in 1991 through the infamous "progressive records".

I think it was originally released around 84 or 85.  Try looking for the
progressive rock issue of Kerrang! (Issue 36?) which has Peter Gabriel and
Fish in greasepaint on the cover.  It has descriptions of a number of early
80's prog acts like:

	Marillion
	Twelfth Night
	Pallas
	Solstice
	Pendragon
	Haze
	Beltane Fire
	Mach One

(Many of these groups were not in that particular article, though they've
been mentioned in Kerrang! at one time or another.)

Solstice also appears on the interesting "Fire in Harmony" Sampler album.
--
ken@bnf.com	"They're only trying to tell you lies    --XII possibly
		 Trying to make you compromise             writing about
		 To leave reality completely up to them"   Clinton/Gore
-- 
ken@bnf.com	"They're only trying to tell you lies    --XII possibly
		 Trying to make you compromise             writing about
		 To leave reality completely up to them"   Clinton/Gore
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: UK ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:05:15 GMT
	<CHRISLEY.92Nov9182528@black.oxford.ac.uk>
	<1dssj9INN72h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 12 Nov 92 06:11:53 GMT

In article <1dssj9INN72h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:

   In a previous article, chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) says:

   >In article <1dntq3INNk95@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:

   >>     Exactly. That's probably why Holdsworth has ended up unhappy in any
   >>   setting except for those he's created. Somewhat paradoxically, Chad
   >>   Wackerman says that Holdsworth won't tell his sidemen what to play.

   >It's not paradoxical at all; it's completely consistent with the
   >tensions in UK: Holdsworth wants the individual musician to be free,
   >not restricted by others or by composed melodies.  That applies both
   >to Holdsworth in UK, and Wackerman in Holdsworth's band.

     How I failed to make that connection, I'll never know. Thanks for pointing
   that out, Ronald.  :)

I'm not quite sure what you're smiling at here, but ;-) anyway!

   >By the way, the UK split was made out to be more acrimonious than it
   >actually was.  This is acording to Eddie Jobson, who said that they
   >went out of their way to cultivate an image of acrimony...     ^^^^

     By "they" I assume you mean that Bruford and Holdsworth went out of
   their way to make the split sound bitter?  Why do you think they'd do
   such a thing?  Why would Jobson want to paint himself in anything but
   the rosiest of hues?  ;)

No, Bruford and Jobson did this.  Jobson played on Bruford's "Forever
until sunday" (with Holdsworth!) after the split, but they decided not
to credit it on the sleeve, since at that time they were getting a lot
of press for the supposed hard-feelings split...

Bizarre.

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: David Sylvian's Gone to Earth
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:35:10 GMT

>ee152fcy@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid) asks:
>>The last copy of this CD sits at my campus record shop. Should I
>>grab it?  I heard that Fripp plays on this one...

steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) comments:
>If you're buying it because you're a Fripp fan and know nothing 
>about Sylvian, don't bother.   This isn't another showcase for
>Fripp; he's just YASM (yet another session man) (Sylvian trys to 
>play with everyone).

True, there's a lot of Bill Nelson on there too. 	t's a fairly gentle
release with lots of nice stuff on it, but it doesn't show Fripp in a very
powerful context, so if that's what you seek maybe this isn't for you. 

Worth noting also is that GONE TO EARTH is one of those cases where the
lp has more material than the cd - It's a double lp and some material was
cut for the cd release. I'm happier having it on vinyl with more tracks.  

  - Malcolm
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Various info: Saga, Ange, King Crimson
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:08:03 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex


I hear that Saga will be touring Europe in 1993, as will Ange...

Also, I just picked up a recent cover by Opus III of KC's "I Talk to
the Wind".  A house version.  Bizarre.  Add it to the list of covers.

Speaking of covers, Halloween has covered UK's "In The Dead of Night"!


--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: KC Live boxed set release Nov. 16
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 18:45:34 GMT


I was in a local record store and they had a sheet with release dates.
The King Crimson Live 4 CD boxed set is due to release in Canada on
Nov. 16. 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka)
Subject: PINK FLOYD ???
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:09:30 GMT

I had heard the new album was supposed to come out this
month, but I've heard nothing since. Anyone have any info???

Cheers,

-Jeff-