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From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: prenatal testing and howto get the FAQ(s)?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 00:10:24 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <1992Sep1.175615.3662@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
|> I had always heard of needing a "full bladder" for an ultrasound,
|> but for the 2 I've had so far, a full bladder was not required.
|> Why is this?  Does it depend on the kind/brand of ultrasound
|> equipment?  Maybe "newer" ones are accurate without a full bladder?
|> Or is a full bladder needed only at certain stages, like the very
|> end of pregnancy?  I don't know, just asking.
|> 
|> (actually, I was glad a full bladder was not required, although it doesn't
|>  seem to matter since it seems "full" all the time anyway!)


For me, the full bladder was needed at my 12 week ultrasound, but
not at the 17 week one or the 18 week one when I had my amnio.  
So it might have to do with the stage of pregnancy and whether the bladder is in or out of the way.

Leigh Ann Tanner
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:43:18 GMT
Subject: Re: YKYAPW and a cute story
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My daughter Kiri is another girl who loves dresses, and she certainly 
didn't get that from me!  I only wear skirts these days because most of
my other clothes don't fit (I'm almost 8 months pregnant)..... she has
to point out whenever she's wearing a dress and I'm wearing a dress.
Some days it's a hassle to get her to wear pants; the main reason I want
her to wear pants is because she gets fewer knee scrapes/cuts that way.

On the other hand, she still prefers to play with trucks and cars, likes
to ride bikes (tricycles) fast, and is a rough-and-tumble girl (rarely
cries when she falls/gets hurt).  So I'm not too worried that she'll be
focused only on her looks, or become stereotyped.... :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Julie Melody <Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Bounced mail-Steven Elmendorf
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:07:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Steve, I tried to respond to your "Why is my 4YO acting this way?"
article and
the mail bounced back to me.  The address I used was
stevee@oakhill.sps.mot.com
 I would be happy to send this mail to you if you can send or post a
correct
address.  Thanks, Julie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:11:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep2.154439.6741@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>
>Regarding the books and magazines, are there any specific titles?  Does 
>this mean mom or dad reads the books/magazines or that the kid just likes 
>to tear them up?  (you mean there's a use for all those Communications we
>were saving?)

Ellen responded first to books with photographs.  Her favorites (which
she still loves at almost-2) were a series of board books by Neil Ricklin,
all called "Baby's X".  We own "Baby's Toys", "Baby's Clothes", and "Baby's
Colors".  These are small (roughly 4" x 4") board books, with one clear
photo per page (or per double-page spread) of a "baby" (most are actually
toddlers) with a toy/color/etc.  (E.g. "Sock", showing a baby with socks
on both hands and both feet.)  Some no-nameo board books she also enjoyed
were books of animal pictures called "Farm Animals" and "Pets".   

The order in which Ellen liked books (we introduced them in any order,
but she only paid attention to some) were: photographic (or very clear,
detailed drawing) books, "Pat The Bunny" et al, lift-the-flap books,
pop-up books ("Five Courageous Climbers").  She didn't start following 
plots until very recently (within the last six months), and she can just
manage a few of the very basic Dr. Seuss; favorites are "The Foot Book",
"Mr. Brown Can Moo, Can You?"  Sound books ("Gobble Growl Grunt") were
a big hit, too.  "Good Night, Moon" was the first book-with-a-plot she
paid attention to; we have both the board book version and the hardback.
She can turn the board pages herself, but the hardback is prettier.

Another big hit was Mitsumasa Anno's "Peek-a-Boo", a wordless book with
paper hands that you fold back to reveal a face.  Oh, and "Where Is
My Fuzzy Blanket?" which is a hybrid between lift-the-flap books and
"Pat the Bunny" -- you lift flaps to reveal touchable surfaces -- shiny
pot, scrunchy plastic wrap, and finally the fuzzy blanket.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: failure
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:58:38 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Subject C-sections, failure, and other stuff
Keywords: 

OK.  I don't have any experience yet either, but I will soon.  What I do
know is that there are lots of painful things that can happen to you that
you'd probably rather miss.  When I was in college, I broke my leg very
badly in a motorcycle crash.  My roommate was actually jealous because of
all the attention I got.  In hindsight, I can understand it, but at the
time, I was absolutely furious.

Anyway, having a fairly high pain tolerance and almost no needle
tolerance, I hope to have an unmedicated birth.  I am worried that my 
fear of needles will cause me not to have an epidural or a shot and to
experience far more than the necessary amount of pain.  Hopefully, all
the "experienced" parents on the net are right and I will forget the 
needle problem if the pain gets too bad.

One last point.  What do adoptive parents think about all of this.  
Those parents who are unable for some reason to conceive and give
birth to their children miss out on the whole pregnancy experience,
but is the baby perhaps even more special because of the difficulty
they have in getting it.  I must confess that, at six months 
pregnant, I don't feel in any way "special" like people said I
would.  All the stuff happening to my body is interesting, but in
more of a third party way.  I am constantly worrying about stuff, 
but I really feel like I made a major life decision which will have
a drastic effect on my life and that of my husband not to mention the
baby and I sure hope I did the right thing.  And YES, I REALLY, REALLY
want this baby.  There is no doubt in my mind that this is the only
decision I could have made to provide MYSELF with a happy life.  I
just worry that this is really the first decision I have ever made
that has such a major effect on the lives of others.

Oops, I guess I got off the point a bit.
Linda
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:10:06 GMT

Recently our base newspaper published a story about an accident an Air
Force bus was in overseas.  I've thrown away the paper, and forgot most
of the details, but the important part was that the bus had seatbelts
(which surprised me -- I've never seen any on AF buses, but then I
haven't been on one in several years) and less than half of the
occupants were wearing them.  Those that were had only minor cuts and
bruises, those that weren't were severely injured, including one
fatality.  The article convinced me that buses ought to have seatbelts.

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: beginning discipline
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:32:26 GMT

In article <harvey.715013638@taupe> harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey) writes:
>
>First thanks to all who replied to my request for advice setting limits for
>our 10 month old daughter.  I'll try to summarize the content of the replies
>I recieved.
>
[Lots of stuff deleted]

>and rugs.  But we don't want to apply this solution to every situation.  For
>example, we want to teach Hannah not to chew on the coffee table rather than


Gee, I thought I was the only one with little teeth marks all over our
coffee table!  It's a relief to know I'm not the only one with a 10 month
old who's got a taste for furniture polish. (We got rid of a dog once
for that. 8~} )  In fact, this discipline issue is becoming more important 
in our household too.......thanks for summarizing your responses......

....and....isn't it amazingly hard not to laugh when this little person
has been told no....no....no....no....no.....concerning the chewing on
the table....and turns his little face up to you....mouth open....slowly
lowering his head to the table....keeping his eyes on your eyes....you're
poised....as he lowers his wide open mouth to the hand that's holding the
coffee table.....and kisses it!   In fact, I did laugh.  I couldn't believe
he was teasing me!!  I'm amazed that these little guys can be such testers 
at this young age.  Isn't this stage supposed to take place when they're two?  

					|  How DO you loosen a jar
Barbara					|  from the nose of a bear?


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Cesearian Births (was Justin's birth story)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:08:18 GMT

I had a cesearian and the recovery wasn't bad at all.  In fact, my surgury
was at 7 pm on Monday and I went home at noon on Thursday (unfortunately, I
ended up spending the night back at the hospital because of a major choking
incident with my daughter -- but she was admitted not me, even though she
was admitted to the nursury and I got to stay in a postpartum suite.  This,
though is another story that I'll post if anyone wants to hear it).  

I think that for one, I was prepared.  My doctor started talking surgury a
week earlier because my stomach measurement had grown 4 cm in 1 week in my
39th week, because of my gestational diabetes, and because the ultrasound
stated Alison was 9 lbs -- which means anywhere from 8 to 10 lbs. We did 
try 4 days of being induced via prostaglalin (sp?) gel, but I only got to 
1 cm dilated and 50% effaced [4 days were Wed - Fri, plus Monday].  At that 
time, I was so tired that I opted for the section (besides, given how she 
was growing, I figured that it was almost definite to need a section when 
she was ready to appear.)

When my doctor first talked about the surgury, I went home and cried -- I
was really upset!  Then I realized that the health of my baby was of the
most important.  So I guess I was mentally prepared for the fact of the
section.

I did get the shakes -- even before the spinal.  It didn't seem so bad to
get the spinal; that took very fast.  I didn't feel a thing (my husband
took pictures of the whole procedure -- the doctor wanted a set!).  Alison
was born about 15 min after the start of the operation (I think -- I really
don't know when they started).  15 min later I was in recovery (Alison was
really high up in my uterus -- not at all ready to be born, and her first
APGAR was a 4, with the second being a 9).  

I had demerol when the spinal wore off in recovery and once later in the
night.  I refused in in the early hours of the morning since I hated pain
of the shot.  A few hours later they allowed me to have perpeset (sp?) --
in pill form and tylenol.  THAT I took.  I was up walking that morning,
took a shower later that morning and in general was feeling fine by that
evening.  Nursing was a little hard, but I did it lying down.  By the time
I went home, I was walking fairly well, the doctor said everything was
healed (incision-wise) and I could do anything I wanted given I listened to
my body (luckily, we live in a ranch-style house since stairs were a bit
harder).

Yes, even now my stomach muscles are nowhere close to where they were, but
no the cesearian was nowhere like what I thought it would be.  Perhaps its
just attitude, but really, recovery was pretty easy, considering.

	Karen

The worse
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mark@nwra.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Organization: Northwest Research Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:10:57 GMT


Doug Olney writes:

>> We've decided to replace the weeds under the kid's swing set with
>> something more appropriate.

If safety under playground equipment is a concern, you should consider
using 4"-6" of ~1" rocks (often called washed drainrock).

At the U. Washington there is an artificial climbing wall surrounded by
this stuff. You can fall from a moderate height, say 10-12', and the
energy of your fall is dissipated as your feet "splash" into the rocks.
I've done it many times.

The downside is that the kids would have a huge supply of "ammo" to
throw at each other!

    )_ _               -------------------------------------------    
   /  ) ) _        /       Mark Baldwin - mark@sparky.nwra.com
  /  / / / / /\_  /_/  Northwest Research Associates, Bellevue, WA
 /  / /_(_/_/  (_/ \__ -------------------------------------------
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cervix "Softening" at 29 weeks
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:49:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I had my weekly OB appointment and was told that my cervix
was softening. I had preterm labor at 32 weeks in my previous
pregnancy so I'm being watched closely. I was disappointed at the
prospects of problems starting this week since I rearranged my
work schedule so I only work 4 hours in the office and can alternate
between resting and working in the afternoons. 

My OB said there was no change in the size or dialation, but
softening was not a good sign. 

Any experiences out there? I've been trying to keep on working and
I think if I'm at home and not in bed, working at a computer is much
closer to rest than cleaning, cooking, sewing, etc. I've been
preparing to be able to leave work soon if needed, but I have such
a complicated job I can never really prepare anyone to take over
my responsibilities.

Carol
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Julie Melody <Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Bounced mail-Steven Elmendorf
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:06:44 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Steve, I tried to respond to your "Why is my 4YO acting this way?"
article and
the mail bounced back to me.  The address I used was
stevee@oakhill.sps.mot.com
 I would be happy to send this mail to you if you can send or post a
correct
address.  Thanks, Julie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Baby's Last Name
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:56:36 GMT

The child's birth certificate will carry the names of both parents,
if known.  The child can be given any name you wish.  It may be
yours, someone else's, or a name you have never heard before. You
and your child may later face questions about adoption, etc. and
may have to produce a birth certificate on some occasions when
a more conventional approach would make this unnecessary. Assuming,
as seems safe, that you and the child's father eventually marry,
and you have given the child his name, the worst thing that will
happen is that people will assume that you and the father married
before you actually did.
a. moore
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:19:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.184030.10271@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>Why do some people say that they'd like to have a "matched set"?
>
>Well in our case part of it is because we see things in each other that we
>think would be great if we could pass on to a child of the same sex.  For
>example I'd love to have a girl who grew up like her mother, knowing how to
>use tools (one day I should tell you the story of the blue stool), whose
>reaction to my comment about getting her an engagement ring was basically,
>"why don't we use the money on something practical, something we both can
>use...like furniture?", someone who didn't see her wedding day as her one
>chance to be treated like a little princess, and someone who knows she can
>do whatever she wants.
>
>Cheryl would love to have a boy grow up to be like me...one who cooks,
>cleans, does laundry, and wonders why more women who get slapped around by
>men don't permanently rearrange their skulls with the nearest chair.
>
>Those are some of *our* reasons.
>

Yes, I agree completely.  Those were many of my (and my husband's) reasons 
for wanting "one of each".  We ended up with two boys, and we would have
had another child if we could have been guaranteed a girl, but of course 
there are no such guarantees.  We would have liked a girl, but we don't 
look at either son and say "I wish you had been a girl" (which we might
have if we had gone for the 3rd, and had another boy).  And I can't think
of anything (except perhaps some pieces of jewelry) that I would have passed
on to a girl that I would not do with my boys.
-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: missy@ntmtv.bnr.ca (Missy Iaquinto)
Subject: Re: Looking For Gynecologist
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:30:12 GMT


Nicola,

I tried sending mail directly, but it bounced.

I adore my doctor, and if you can reach me by email, I will
be happy to give you details.

  Dr. Yin M. Lim
  305 South Drive
  Mountain  View, CA
  (425) 961-3737
   
In article <55790030@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths) writes:
|> Try Tanya W. Spirtos, near Stanford, in Palo Alto.  

I have a friend who also used her, and was happy with her, but don't
know any details.

Missy Iaquinto
ntmtv!missy@ames.arc.nasa.gov
<your path!>{amdahl, ames, hplabs}!ntmtv!missy
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Cover Recommendations
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:10:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 25-Aug-92 in Diaper Cover Recommendations 
user Mike Gauland@tekig7.PEN. writes:
>Any recommendations for diaper covers which don't leak, and seem comfortable
>(i.e., no sharp edges)? Every one we've tried either leaves a rash on Aidan's
>tummy, or has too little elastic on the legs.

Both of our children are in cloth diapers and we have used Gerber
snap-sided plastic pants for both (Mickey is 2.75 yrs, Margaret is 2.75
months).

A lot of people dislike plastic because it doesn't "breathe", but we
haven't had any problems with diaper rash that weren't a result of
something Mickey ate or leaving him in a wet or messy diaper too long
(our fault, not the diaper cover's).  Margaret hasn't had a diaper rash
yet (knock on wood :-).

They fit well, no gaps around the legs or waist, are easy to clean, etc.
 Margaret has been wearing the newborn size since she was born.  It says
it's for 6-10 lbs., but she's a long 12.5 lbs & they are still fitting
fine.  Mickey's been in large (18-25 lbs) for over a year, even though
he's 30 lbs (again, he's tall for his weight).

Two things we particularly like about snap-sided plastic pants:

1) It's VERY easy to remove messy or supersaturated diapers - unsnap the
sides, take the pins out & wisk the whole mess away, like you would with
a disposable diaper.  No struggling to pull wet/messy pants down without
spreading the mess all over the lower half of your child.

2) They are VERY inexpensive.  When we stocked up for Margaret, I think
I paid about $3/2 covers and got 6 covers.  We rotate when we change the
kids, so we always have a stock of dry plastic pants around the house
(one on the kid, one hanging to dry, one waiting on the upstairs
changing table, one downstairs, etc.).

As far as avoiding tummy rashes, after we put the cover on, we tuck it
around the diaper at the waist & legs.  This makes sure that there's no
diaper sticking out (the source of many leaks, we've found) and keeps
the plastic away from skin that's not protected by the diaper - there's
no need to have a diaper cover over the baby's belly, since there's no
diaper there!

BTW, we've shared our nanny with a friend whose daughter is in diaper
wraps & the nanny much prefers the snap-on plastic pants.  When Katy was
sick one day & had messy-leaked out of every diaper wrap (and outfit)
her parents had sent over, she put her in one of Mickey's snap-ons &
onesies & snap-on pants.  It was the last time she had to change
clothes, since the cover didn't leak.

I hope this helps!

Laura
Mother of Datapoint 1 - Mickey and Datapoint 2 - Margaret
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Are Fetal Heart Monitors needed??
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:46:34 GMT

>My wife and I are  in disagreement about the need of a fetal heart monitor
>during labor.
>
>My Wife's Opinion:
>	They are totally uneccessary except for maybe .01 % on the babies
>being born.  If the babies heart shoul flutter even for a second, the 
>quacks (doctors) will do a C-section which they want to do anyway (because,
> no screaming mothers, nervious fathers, fatter fees, and etc.)
>
>My Opinion:
>	G-d forbid we are the .01%
>
>Any experiences that can help us through this delima ??

We didn't have a fetal heart monitor, but the "team" did check for the 
heartbeat after every contraction using one of those walkman-type stethescopes.
I'm sure this differs from hospital to hospital and doctor to doctor, but
there were no indications that this made them any more likely to do a
C-sect.  In fact, when we lost the heartbeat for a short time _I_ was 
starting to go into a panic :-), but the doctor said "relax, the baby
probably just shifted a bit.  We'll pick it up again".  (they did)

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids