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From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:57:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Would just like to wish all a Merry and Blessed Christmas and have
a joyful New Year.

Linda :-)
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Charts from astro and astrolog differ?
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:38:05 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <C03Aq9.7Iv@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, govindg@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Girish Govind) writes:
> I created my natal chart with the two programs "astro" and "astrolog" and they
> don't look the same. Can someone please email me as to why such a thing is
> happening?
> 
> -- Girish Govind
>    govindg@ucunix.san.uc.edu

Because you are an idiot?  :)
Provide data or die :/

-Garrett

BOO!

Happy New Year!
From: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: solar eclipse on christmas eve.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 02:57:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
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In a previous article, agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray) says:

>In article <1992Dec11.155626.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>|> In article <1g7o8bINNgv7@nemesis.muppet.bt.co.uk>, phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil Houseago g8sgb) writes:
>|> > hi there astrological netbrowsers,
>|> > 
>|> > i heard a rumour that the solar eclipse on xmas eve is going to be one
>|> > with some pretty far-reaching effects for pretty much everybody - some
>|> > good, some not so good.
>|> > 
>|> > anybody got any idea why this one particularly - planetary positions
>|> > etc.,/other comments??
>|> > 
>|> > 
>|> > cheers, phil
>|> > 
>|> For your information, the December 23-24 eclipse will fall at
>|> 2:28 Capricorn. It will begin at 22:20 GMT and end at 02:40 GMT.
>|> 
>|> If you have a natal planet (more especially Sun or Moon) within
>|> 2 degrees of the Capricorn or the Cancer location, you will
>|> be vulnerable to some effect.
>|> 
>|> What kind?  I don't have expertise on eclipses, but it would be
>|> nice if someone who does would post.
>|> 
>|> Regard, Lou
>
>I've a feeling that my Mars at 2Cap06 will start to get obstreperous and the semi
>sextile'd Saturn at 2Sag44 will have some quelling to do. (last minute Xmas
>shopping panics perhaps, with cash machines empty! [mars/2nd, saturn/1st])
>
>Any clues?
>
>Andy
>
Yes.  I've a clue.  Solar eclipse in second house conjunct natal mars = new
beginnings regarding $ for the entire 12 months comming up.  Solar Eclipses
cover the whole year.  Semi sextiles aren't very strong so natal saturn in
the first might not mean much.  Now if Capricorn is your Diurnal ascendant
ruler at the time of the eclipse, then the semi sextile to saturn might
mean something such as discipline or caution.  Saturn in the first?  Thats
the same as capricorn rising.  Sounds like you are a Sag. rising with
strong capricorn traits.  I know the feeling.  I'm a Sag. rising with
capricorn intercepted in the first.  Just about same, same.

Capricorn on the second?  Thrifty, thrifty. :-)  I've Aquarius there.  I
give my stuff away.

john
-- 
"Never keep up with the Joneses.  Drag them down to your level.  It's cheaper."
                                                             Quentin Crisp
"We forfeit three-fourths of ourselves to be like other people."
                                                       Arthur Schopenhauer
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: re: Yod
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:13:39 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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Having trouble with the reply mode, lets see if this works..
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> +-------<11> 4Vir02----<10> 0Leo39-----<9>25Gem34-----------+
> |              | Sat  6Leo16r |              |              |
> |              | Plu 12Leo35r |              | Ura 18Gem25r |
> |              | For 19Leo07  |              | Nod  9Gem21r |
> |              |              |              | Ver 28Tau34  |
> <12> 2Lib28----|-----------------------------|-----23Tau24<8>
> | Nep 10Lib48r |                             |              |
> |              |    Astrolog (2.30) chart    |              |
> |              |    Thu 16 Jan 1947  0:17    |              |
> |              |    -05:00  71'12W 42'11N    |              |
> <1>25Lib37-----|    Placidus      Houses.    |-----25Ari37<7>
> | Chi  7Sco46  |                             |              |
> | Moo 18Sco44  |                             |              |
> | Jup 22Sco52  |                             |              |
> |              |                             | Ves  6Ari46  |
> <2>23Sco24-----|-----------------------------|----- 2Ari28<6>
> | Ven  9Sag00  | Mer 20Cap41  |              |              |
> | Jun 14Sag09  | Mar 22Cap48  |              |              |
> |              | Sun 25Cap14  | Cer 27Aqu30  |              |
> |              |              | Pal  5Aqu06  |              |
> +-----------25Sag34<3>----- 0Aqu39<4>----- 4Pis02<5>--------+

Off the top of my head - btw, the 5:00 time looks suspicious - is it a
verified time?  If not, the houses will be wrong and the moon could move as
to not be in aspect to the Uranus.  

If all is well, however, (using lower case to save time) the moon/jup in
scorpio is positive, expansive, big, feelings, expressed in a powerful,
intense (Scorp)
way regarding my self, my independence, what is mine (lst house).  Very
imposing once one gets past the friendly libraness of the ascendent whose
ruler, venus is in sag.

The sextile to mercury in cap says this person wants to interact with
others,network, to learn; to teach; to get around town, and to develop
communications which suit this person desires.  (the sun conjuncts mars),
more of me, my, self.

The yod formation, or apex uranus may indicate that others (8th house)
suddenly appear to disrupt her conversations, interfere with her getting
around and generally are a pain in the butt and interfere with doing her
own thing!!  This yod is generally a whole lot of talking with shocking
results completely unexpected by the native.  It is not easy to fulfill the
promise of the sextiles in the chart.

The above is a simple delineation, there are many layers that could be
explored.  

Regards, Carol
From: manohar@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Something different
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:00:18 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <BzE1p1.LAC@csn.org>, lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
> In article <BzBoq2.601@tnl.com> roignard@tnl.CAM.ORG.UUCP (geoffrey inget) writes:
>>
>>Is there any connection between a person's chart and peculiar sensitivity to 
>>high pitch noise?  I am particularly sensitive to high pitches and being in
>>a room with high concentrations of E/M (electromagnetic radiation) can at 
>>times drive me absolutely crazy.  I am noticing this is a cyclical 
>>aggravation, so I figured it's a good question to ask you.  (For example, I
>>am sure to log off right after sending this, because my computer and my 
>>high intensity light are hurting my ears)
>>
>>Thanks and I know it's a weird question,
>>geoff
> 
> Not at all weird, but a bit tricky since few people have such
> sensitivities, so one does not often get a chance to examine
> the charts of those with this trait.
> 
> The only similar case I know of was Nikola Tesla. His senses,
> especially hearing, were outrageously sensitive. A fly landing
> sounded like a huge thud to him, and he could hear things miles
> away that nobody else could even begin to hear. The most striking
> feature of his chart is an angular T-square, although he also had
> Pluto almost exactly on the ascendant. His Mercury, which might
> be related to the senses, was in its own sign (Gemini) and house
> (third) and received no major or minor aspects, so perhaps this
> is relevant to his heightened sensitivity. Would you be willing to
> post your chart? Because charts are unique, it is difficult
> to say "this configuration leads to this trait." 
> 
> People with Pisces, Neptune, the twelfth house, or the seventh
> harmonic (septile aspects) strong are very sensitive, but
> usually not to *physical* variables so much as to *psychic*
> variables. They absorb the emotions of people around them.
> 
> 
> Maggie
From: lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com (Lennie Carlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Jones Bucket
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:08:53 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company


 Thanks for the info Maggie and Roy.


Happy New Year


Lennie
From: aa751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Fran Rosen)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Jones Bucket
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:14:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I have a bucket chart with Jupiter in Aquarius conjunct the MC
and also the focal point of a Yod.  The first compulsive Jup/Aq
thing I did was get into the astrological publishing business.
Then I went to school for computing.  Now I am studying creative
writing and plan to write fiction incorporating my astrological/
metaphysical knowledge.  My experience of it, without being very
objective, is that it drives you regardless of whatever else you
may want to do.  I have found myself in numerous leadership
positions as well as teaching positions that were unplanned.
I also find that I am 100% more comfortable in Aquarian situations
than I am in more personal ones.  I can get involved in group
activities in a very detached manner and accomplish a great deal.
When people want to become more personal, however, I find that
I get uncomfortable.  I allow few acquaintenances to become more
than that.

With all planets but Jupiter below the horizon, I am very introverted,
but I explore my depths and then communicate what I find out through
that Jupiter in a way that is impersonal.  

The worst problem I have with that Jupiter is an on-going weight
problem from birth.  Since Saturn inconjuncts it, my discipline of
it is sporadic, at best.  

Fran
-- 
"A journey of a thousand |                 Fran Rosen aa751
miles must begin with    |        
a single step."          |         (Singles Partyline - "Go Party")
               Lao-tzu   |                 
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Re: Jones Bucket
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.214037.24820@isc-br.isc-br.com> lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com (Lennie Carlberg) writes:
>
> Oops, I ment What is a Jones Bucket.
>
>
>Lennie


Hi Lennie,

The Jones must be Marc Edmund Jones. According to Sakoian and Caulfield,
in Astrological Patterns, a bucket pattern is as follows:

"In this pattern all the planets but one are in one half of the chart.
The single planet plays an important part in this patterning. The Bowl
part retains the same meaning as the Bowl chart -- that is, individuals
feel they have something to contribute to others."

"The handle planet acts as a focusing agent and indicates the way
individuals will offer their contribution. The position of the
handle is important in this pattern. If the handle is located
before the midpoint of the opposition, these individuals have a
cautious, self-conscious approach to life. If the handle is
exactly on the midpoint of the opposition, these individuals can be 
overbearing and at times cruel in their expression. If the
handle planet is located past the midpoint of the opposition,
these individuals can respond in a rash, impulsive manner."

"The handle indicates that the individual is caught up in some kind
of expression that must have an outlet. This outpouring is so intense
at times that these individuals fail to have the proper concern for
themselves, their resources, or the effect that their actions may
have on others."

"At best, this Bucket Pattern indicates the teacher or person who
inspires and directs others. At its worst, this pattern can
produce an individual with aggravating propensities. In all cases
these individuals live life with a great deal of zest."

"Occasionally a Bucket Pattern is found with a handle containing
two planets. For the handle to be valid the planets in conjunction
should be within one degree orb. In this type of Bucket handle,
the individual alternates between two expressions based on the 
principles involved in this type of conjunction. Alternating
expression is activated by the transiting planets."

The example they show has all planets but the Moon between 16 Scorpio
and 18 Taurus -- all in one half of the chart. The Moon is at 26 Sag,
and forms the "handle." The planets spread throughout one half of
the chart are the bucket itself. To form a bucket, the planets
must be bracketed by two planets in opposition. Their midpoint
is what these authors are calling the "midpoint of the opposition."


Maggie

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: roignard@tnl.com (geoffrey inget)
Subject: Re: what the hell..
Organization: The Northern Lights
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:41:39 GMT

In article <1h7cfnINN9p3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:
>
>In a previous article, dtauzell@plains (David Tauzell) says:
>>Even though hell doesn't exist, I would like to know what the hell atheism
>>is. Don't get me wrong, I realize it is not believing in religion, but I
>>mean, look at all the articles posted.  I guess I'm not making myself
>>really clear, but if anyone could enlighten me (although that would be a
>>jump of faith) go ahead.  Until then I will continue to have a great time
>>reading all the stupid stuff you write about trying to prove or disprove
>>god and whatever.  Bye.
>>
>
>You have wandered into this group by accident. You want alt.atheism or
>something like that. We don't know what you're talking about.
>
>Tony

No he hasn't wandered into the wrong group.  I don't often feel it necessary
to respond to such posts, but may I ask the poster of this article why he
feels that astrology is tied to atheism.  I don't feel that it is necessary
to believe in God for many, but it seems to me very possible that astrology
can actually help REINFORCE people's beliefs in God because it gives the 
sense of a higher order.  And who more likely to have ordained the universe?
Not taking sides on the issue here but I feel it is necessary to consider
that option.  It shouldn't be tied to atheism or the opposite.  Perhaps being
skeptical for the case of being a skeptic is at times a little self-limiting.

geoff
From: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Love Planets compatibility metric
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:50:51 GMT
Reply-To: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) says:

>
>I have been reading Love Planets by Abadie and Bader and have been
>fooling around with the compatibility metric in the back.  It seems
>quite good.  I inputted an old girlfriend and got the following:
>
>me:	[[sun,leo],[moon,cap],[asc,aqu],[venus,leo],[mars,lib]]
>her:	[[sun,pis],[moon,ari],[asc,aqu],[venus,aqu],[mars,aqu]]
>
>asc	 matches 		asc
>asc	 matches 		venus
>asc	 matches 		mars
>sun	 compatible with 	moon
>moon	 compatible with 	sun
>asc	 compatible with 	moon
>venus	 compatible with 	moon
>mars	 compatible with 	asc
>mars	 compatible with 	venus
>mars	 compatible with 	mars
>sun	 opposite 		asc
>sun	 opposite 		venus
>venus	 opposite 		asc
>venus	 opposite 		venus
>venus	 opposite 		mars
>moon	 conflicts with 	moon
>mars	 Mars-conflicts with 	moon
>Total = 150
>
>Where a score of over 160 is considered to be damn near perfect. 
>I'm curious what people on here think of this.  Obviously a numerical
>scale simplifies things somewhat, but it seems like a good start.  Has
>anyone run any tests on couples vs. a random control group?  I might
>be interested in trying that.
>
I don't think anything of it unless you are looking at degrees.  exanple. 
your sun is in leo and hers is in pisces.  Thats an inconjunct by sign
which means adjustments must be made.  but if you are 1 degree leo and she
is 29 degrees pisces, thats a trine which is really great.  Or you might be
29 degrees leo and she 1 degree pisces.  That's an opposition which is
worse than an inconjunct.  Talk degrees, not signs.  Granted, looking at
signs is better than nothing at all but it's not good enough.

Look at the sign on your seventh house cusp which for you is leo.  So your
partner will probably be a leo rising or have a leo sun or have the sun in
their first house.  Where is your uranus?  Thats your ruling planet. What
house and sign?  that will tell you where you want to be.  

Aquarius rising probably has gemini on the fifth.  Dating multiple people
at once or you like to send letters to your lover (s) or maybe you write
romance novels?  Or maybe you write about sports or games or chance?

Anyway, use this book but look at the degrees and not just the signs.

john
-- 
"Never keep up with the Joneses.  Drag them down to your level.  It's cheaper."
                                                             Quentin Crisp
"We forfeit three-fourths of ourselves to be like other people."
                                                       Arthur Schopenhauer
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: pan horus rising
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 2 Jan 93 13:46:52 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

What is PAN-HORUS???
If you know, please e-mail me.  I do not regularly read
this newsgroup.  I am trying to win a bet with a friend, and might
cut you in on the deal if you can help me out  :-)

Thomas Beaudoin

TBEAUDOIN@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: govindg@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Girish Govind)
Subject: Charts from astro and astrolog differ?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:39:45 GMT

I created my natal chart with the two programs "astro" and "astrolog" and they
don't look the same. Can someone please email me as to why such a thing is
happening?

-- Girish Govind
   govindg@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Jones Bucket
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:32:34 GMT

I have little additional information on the Bucket since Maggie did such a good
job except for a few notes.

> 
> "Occasionally a Bucket Pattern is found with a handle containing
> two planets. For the handle to be valid the planets in conjunction
> should be within one degree orb. In this type of Bucket handle,
> the individual alternates between two expressions based on the 
> principles involved in this type of conjunction. Alternating
> expression is activated by the transiting planets."
> 
Having married a "bucket" ( I mean a person with a Bucketed chart) and for
unknown reasons having attracted several people with buckets 
into my sphere of being in the world I can only but agree
with Jones and others who rather allow a 3 degrees orb for the two planets at
the apex or handle.

Bucket people are driven to achieve objectives. They are able to concentrate
efforts on tasks. Never leaving anything behind until they get it done. Bucket
charts are easy (astrologically speaking) to read because all revolves around
the energies of the handle. They are fascinating in synastry charts. The handle
of the bucket of my better half is conjunct my Sun. I knew we would be good
friends even before our first date (I had made her chart early on).

Examples of Bucket people are: Napoleon Bonaparte, DAnte, Du Maurier,
Evangeline Adams, and George B Shaw.

For more information on Marc Edmund Jones original work see THE GUIDE TO
HOROSCOPE INTERPRETATION (Wheaton, IL: The Theosophical Publishing House,
1941).

The planet(s) at the handle are very important. It is through the house
and sign  they occupy that all energy from the bucket pours out. Think of it as
the nozzle of a hose, or perhaps as the lens of a projector, through which the
energy flows fromthe bucket into the sign and house of the singleton, giving
this area great emphasis.

Some time ago I posted the chart of a native who had a bucket in his natal. The
Handle was Saturn in Capricorn in the 4th house. My reading of his chart was
fascinating. In the sixties he worked as an engineer in the drawing and
building of underground shelters, houses, deposits, etc. Later he concentrated
in underground residences with beautiful patios open to scenic views. 
He had those drawing hanging all over his house. He also worked as consultant
to underground deposits and building of basements for residences. Now
that is a literal reading of a bucket's handle in Saturn in Capricorn in the
4th!

Regards, Roy

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: janee@world.std.com (Jane Eisenstein)
Subject: Re: Jones Bucket
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:25:03 GMT

: The Jones must be Marc Edmund Jones. According to Sakoian and Caulfield,
: in Astrological Patterns, a bucket pattern is as follows:
: 
: "In this pattern all the planets but one are in one half of the chart.
: ... The planets spread throughout one half of
: the chart are the bucket itself. To form a bucket, the planets
: must be bracketed by two planets in opposition. Their midpoint
: is what these authors are calling the "midpoint of the opposition."
: 
: 
: Maggie
: 

This doesn't jibe with my understanding of a bucket pattern.  I
haven't seen any other descriptions that require that the two edge
planets of the bucket must be in opposition.

I have a grand trine - two of its spokes enclose all of my other
planets except for the third planet of the grand trine.  Thus all
planets but one are in one half of my chart.  The third spoke of the
grand trine (Piscean Jupiter in IV) is the handle of my bucket
pattern.

Jane Eisenstein
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: what the hell..
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:33:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dtauzell@plains (David Tauzell) says:
>Even though hell doesn't exist, I would like to know what the hell atheism
>is. Don't get me wrong, I realize it is not believing in religion, but I
>mean, look at all the articles posted.  I guess I'm not making myself
>really clear, but if anyone could enlighten me (although that would be a
>jump of faith) go ahead.  Until then I will continue to have a great time
>reading all the stupid stuff you write about trying to prove or disprove
>god and whatever.  Bye.
>

You have wandered into this group by accident. You want alt.atheism or
something like that. We don't know what you're talking about.

Tony