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From: ADEKLERK@JADE.BUCKNELL.EDU ((Ann de Klerk))
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Developing a CSIW: issues and policy questions
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:30:15 GMT
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Does anyone have a charge to a committee responsible for developing a CWIS;
I'm interested in identifying the issues and policy areas that should be
discussed.

We're putting in the network and now we need to deal with the questions that
arise about what to make available to whom, etc.

Please e-mail or fax to me at 717-524-1237.  Many thanks.

Ann de Klerk
Bertrand Library
Bucknell University
adeklerk@bucknell.edu
From: RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET (Richard W Wiggins)
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Subject: Building a CWIS; distributed CWIS model
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:11:32 GMT
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It's interesting hearing others use the term "evangelism" w/r/t building
a CWIS. That's exactly what I tell people, even during the sermon.

A lot of providers want to know if the CWIS is already THE place people
go for information -- eg "If I post this document online now, can I be
sure students will read it?" There are two answers to that: 1) You can
never be sure anyone will read a document; we're just providing an
alternative medium for delivering it. 2) We do expect that at a certain
critical mass of information the community will think of the CWIS
(Gopher in our case) as the first place to look for documents.

As to distibuting CWIS information: Gopher certainly does allow true
distributed CWIS deployment. While we are not discouraging other campus
units from running their own Gophers, we do point out the costs and
risks. If a Gopher on someone's desktop is down, users will not be able
to get the data they need when they need it. All the "production" data
in our central Gopher resides on server(s) in our machine room. We try
to make e-mail and FTP avenues of updating convenient enough for the
providers so that it's no harder to post on our central Gopher server
than it would be to post on their own.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:32:08 EST
From:         "(Judy Hallman)" <hallman@GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Updated list of CWISs you can try out
Comments: To: cwis-l%wuvmd.BITNET@uncvm1.oit.unc.edu

I've updated the list of services you can connect to via Internet. Please
note that the directory path has changed -- we added another level, cwis.
We can put other cwis information of interest in this directory. (Sunsite,
the ftp host, is a new service provided by Sun and operated by UNC-CH for
"providing education software, shareware, and other useful electronic
materials.")

The first part of the file with instructions for ftping it is included
below.

If you see anything that needs to be fixed or if you would like me to
e-mail a copy of the file to you, please let me know ASAP. I'm leaving
town Friday morning for a 10-day vacation.

Judy Hallman

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Campus-Wide Information Systems (CWIS)

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The following is information from the listserver CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET,
prepared by Judy Hallman (Judy_Hallman@unc.edu), UNC-Chapel Hill, November
9, 1992.

You can pick up this list by anonymous ftp to sunsite.unc.edu;
cd pub/docs/about-the-net/cwis, get cwis-l (that's the letter l).


Using UNC's laUNChpad system or LIBS on the UNC-CH VAX

The laUNChpad System (formerly the BBS), offered by UNC-CH, can connect
you to many of the information systems in this list. You may access
launchpad through telnet, using launchpad.unc.edu as the connection.  For
"username" type 'launchpad'.  When you get laUNChpad's menu, select item
3, "On-line Information Systems (LIBTEL)."

Or you can use similar software on the UNC-CH DEC VAX computer's VMS
service.  Connect to uncvx1.oit.unc.edu;  for "username" type LIBTEL.
When you get the LIBS menu, select item 3 "Campus-wide Information
Systems."

The two systems are quite similar, presenting essentially the same
information using different menus.  LaUNCHpad automates more of the
connection steps.

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Summary of changes in this version:
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Changed:
Directory path for accessing this file (added another level, CWIS)
UNC-CH from BBS to laUNChpad, and added instructions for using LIBTEL
   on the UNC-CH DEC VAX computer.
University of Kansas
University of New Hampshire
Canada, Universite de Montreal UDEMATIK

Added:
University of Minnesota Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul)
University of Virginia Grounds-Wide Information Server
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Canada, Dalhousie University Computing & Information Services
Switzerland, Rechenzentrum Universitaet Zuerich
United Kingdom, University of Hull
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:23:00 EDT
From:         NOYES@HARTFORD.BITNET
Subject:      Policies & Procedures

I would also be interested in receiving information on CWIS policies &
procedures.

Thank you.

Carol Noyes
University of Hartford
NOYES@HARTFORD.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:35:11 -0500
From:         Charles Forrest <libcgf@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Justification for CWIS
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>

In response to Karl Bridges,
	The little I know about CWIS's suggests to me that developing a
CWIS is a way of making information accessible in machine-readable or
networkable form, which might not otherwise be available that way. A group
has been building a gopher, and our systems librarian suggested the other
day that since any gopher could talk to any other gopher invisibly, the
kind of information on CWIS could be delivered by individual gophers all
over campus--to other gophers on campus, or anywhere else.
	But I just wonder how many of the units that might be in a
position to supply cwis-able information--schedules of events, notices of
meetings, whatever--would be in a position to "gopher-ize" that
information themselves. Perhaps someday, but it might be that the way to
package a CWIS right now is as a way-station on the path to a network
where information is exchanged desktop-to-desktop, with little in the way
of "central" information services.
	Good luck.

--
FROM - Charles Forrest           VOICE  404-727-0137
       Woodruff Library            FAX  404-727-0805
       Emory University         BITNET  libcgf@emoryu1
       Atlanta, GA   30322    INTERNET  libcgf@unix.cc.emory.edu
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:55:56 PST
From:         "(Steve Cook x4753)" <cook%bluemoon@HUB.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Justification for CWIS
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@wuvmd.wustl.edu>

>	But I just wonder how many of the units that might be in a
>position to supply cwis-able information--schedules of events, notices of
>meetings, whatever--would be in a position to "gopher-ize" that
>information themselves. Perhaps someday, but it might be that the way to
>package a CWIS right now is as a way-station on the path to a network
>where information is exchanged desktop-to-desktop, with little in the way
>of "central" information services.
>	Good luck.
>
>--
>FROM - Charles Forrest           VOICE  404-727-0137
>       Woodruff Library            FAX  404-727-0805
>       Emory University         BITNET  libcgf@emoryu1
>       Atlanta, GA   30322    INTERNET  libcgf@unix.cc.emory.edu


In fact, this is what a gopher server on the back end of a
Macintosh can do today.  So it is possible to publish a local
CWIS, and connect to others everywhere with gopher.

Steve Cook
Computing Coordinator
College of Letters and Science
UC Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara,  CA  93106
cook@bluemoon.ucsb.edu
805 893-4753
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:55:24 CST
From:         "(Johnson K. Kuma)" <cfjkk@UX1.CTS.EIU.EDU>
Subject: SUBSCRIBE CWIS-L Johnson Kuma

I would like to subscribe to Campus-wide Information Systems
Thanks.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:50:25 -0500
From:         Haitong Wang <s209457@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      sign off
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sign off CWIS-L
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 11:38:00 EST
From:         Carl.Jacobson@MVS.UDEL.EDU
Subject:      Kiosks
Comments: To: cwis-l%wuvmd.bitnet@udelvm.udel.edu

At the University of Delaware kiosks are simply monitor and keyboard on
counter with CPU locked below.  Proper height, ventilation, and ADA
requirements are design concerns.  Such 'public terminals' will only be placed
in public area adjacent to staffed areas...the lobby of the student services
building, the library, the student center, academic departments.  They are not
mistreated, however, they are in "loosely monitored" areas.  $1200 PCs are
used with great success.  Some keys are physically disabled... control, alt,
and num lock.  Student may access gopher-based CWIS as well as grade reports,
student bill, transcript, financial aid info, student schedule...

Delaware's Instructional Technology has built a multi-media kiosk which has
been placed in shopping malls and un-monitored lobbies of both on-campus and
off-campus buildings.  The principle design parameter was to control the
delivery of audio... to provide user with good sound quality, but to limit
sound to immediate area.  The kiosk is cylindrical.  If multi-media delivery
is a concern this may be of interest.  For more details contact Pat Sine at
patricia.sine@mvs.udel.edu

Carl Jacobson
University of Delaware
carl.jacobson@mvs.udel.edu
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:46:02 -0500
From:         "Murray C. Shepherd" <liboff09@WATSERV1.UWATERLOO.CA>
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unsubsribe cwis-l
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:42:06 EST
From:         "(Judy Hallman)" <hallman@GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      CWIS paper available for ftp
Comments: To: cwis-l%wuvmd.BITNET@uncvm1.oit.unc.edu

Publication of the paper I wrote this spring, with lots of help from
people on this list, has been delayed. It will still be published in
_Advances in Library Automation and Networking_, volume 5, 1992
(Greenwich, CT; London: JAI Press), but it won't be out until March or
April. I had left the final draft out for people to pick up by ftp, but
had not put up the final copy with the typos fixed. I just put up that
version (May 1992). You can pick it up by anonymous ftp to
sunsite.unc.edu; cd pub/docs/about-the-net/cwis, get hallman.txt.

If you want a copy and cannot ftp the file, let me know and I'll send it
to you by e-mail,

Judy Hallman, UNC-Chapel Hill
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:42:00 CDT
From:         GKTEX@TTACS.BITNET
Subject:      Al Gore

Whatever our trepidations are about the new administration, I'd like to
remind everyone of the article Al Gore wrote in Scientific American
about a year ago that focused on computer communication.  In it he advocates
government support for high speed networks that will link the nation in
much the same way that the interstate highway system does.

Could DQ come up with an idea like that?

Gore seems to understand the potential of networking.

Besides a guy whose name can be said together as "Algore" and sound like
a character in a Star Trek episode has to inspire optimism in techie
hearts.

Tex ex-Ioway basking in RedRaiderLand
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:18:06 -0500
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Subject:      Re: cheers for the Sumerians

sumer is icumen in
luhde sing cucu!
Myles
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:10:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp <YKFOK@TTACS.BITNET>

Megabunnies, I'm being attacked by messages like those below.
If anybody knows anything about listserv@tamvm1 or
listserv@uhupvm1 please let me know who or where this is coming
from.  I'm receiving about thirty of this exact same message an
hour, and nobody I know can explain it. What is "Job MBU-L"?
Sounds suspicious. . .  In any case, it is shutting my personal
mail down completely (HMMMMM. . . maybe that's the point.)
Fred Kemp, TTU

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:08:59 CST
From:         "(McDonald James C)" <jcm5337@USL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Yankee Trader Needs Info

Nancy, we deal with the type of students you describe all the time.  Until
recently all Louisiana universities have been open admissions for I don't know
how long.  Only LSU and the U of New Orleans now have admissions standards; our
university hopes to soon follow, and I'll be sad when that occurs.
  I know of no magic wand--I think Louisiana schools have largely failed to
accept or even recognize the challenge to develop pedagogies for these students.
Some teachers have, and universities have put in or strengthened "remedial"
programs, but most faculty, I think, take a sink or swim attitude toward these
students, really don't want them around, and blame the students rather than
develop better pedagogies.  I think it's easier to get these students
concerned and interested in education than it is to get most faculty concerned
and interested in really teaching these students.
  I go into classes with these students that their resistance to school comes
out of a fear of failure and out of a sense that school seldom relates to
their needs or treats them as intelligent people.  Students with ACT scores of
8 or 10 and mediocre transcripts likely had high school experiences like that
Mike Rose described in LIVES ON THE BOUNDARY.  (Oops, I meant to write at the
start of this paragraph that I go into classes with these students with the
ASSUMPTION that their resistance . . . .)  I like to confront potential
resistance head-on and have them discuss and write about their experiences in
school, their assumptions about school, their successes and frustrations in
learning, reading, and writing (in and out of school), how they view their
place in the university, etc.  That's why I have them examine the word
"remedial."  I have them read a little of LIVES--I'd have them read the whole
book if my textbook selection wasn't restricted.  I also like assignments that
familiarize them with the campus, that can help make students more at home and
less alienated from the university, but they do the exploring and the informing.
  I find these students tough to teach and exciting to teach, and I learn more
about teaching in these classes than any other.  Some continue to resist in
self-destructive ways (at least from my point of view) no matter what I try,
but some get hope and get stubborn in productive ways, pushing their way
through the curriculum despite indifferent teachers, low grades, and financial
and family problems.
    Jim McDonald, U of Southwestern Louisiana
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:27:29 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Notes on lurking from behind the wallflowers

Wayne:
As 122 others will probably tell you, you got through.  I think
the fun of this kind of dancing is that you can imagine that
you are dancing with partners you will never see.  Consequently,
you get to rip thoughts off without editing them (oh, oh, I
just edited--I know there's a group out there who are going to
say, ho, ho, ho, he think's he's not editing his thoughts!).
Still fun.  You can imagine you're not editing--thinking free.
I sure know what you mean about those 122 messages.  I get on
this computer every night thinking to myself, now I'm not going
to say a thing, because I have other things to do, and then
my fingers start dancing.
--
Irvin Peckham
Internet: peckham@unomaha.edu
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Subject: Re: query
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:37:34 GMT
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Catherine: read Walden and then Margaret Fuller's Summer on the Lakes.
Myles
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From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: ncte 93 & cccc 94?

Thanks Idana: Memphis or Nashville in 94, that's close enough!  at least I know
where I'm going in 93  :-}
Liz
From: peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU (Irvin Peckham)
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Subject: Re: For Bob Whipple only
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:44:03 GMT
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>
> Sorry to have to send personal mail on the list, but Bob Whipple,
> I've sent to whipple@parrot.creighton.edu (the address in the header)
> and whipple@creighton.edu (the address in your signature) and neither
> message got through.  I have another info request for you.
>
> --Don Langham
>   University of Alabama
>   DLangham@English.as.ua.edu
>
I'm not Bob, but I have his address:  It's rhetoric@creighton.edu

--
Irvin Peckham
Internet: peckham@unomaha.edu
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From:         ellis <nse2@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Yankee Trader Needs Info

Rhoda, nothing's too tame to look at and consider -- you never
know when you will need what...and as we in MS face the very
real possibility of "open admissions" to schools we are going
to have HUGE remdial programs and will need all the writing ideas
we can get!

Please -- share!!! Everything!
Nancy Ellis
nse2@ra.mstate.edu
Mississippi State Univ
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Have a look at David Brendan Hopes' _A Sense of the Morning:  Inspiring
Reflections on Nature and Discovery_ (Fireside/Simon & Schuster, 1990).

Joe Amato
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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: IBM,
              "Ulysses," and "Illuminated Books and MS" (14)

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:00:04 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov12.050004.v7.015.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: RE: IBM, "Ulysses," and "Illuminated Books and MS" (14)
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>From: Gardner Campbell <Campbell@usdcsv.acusd.edu>
>Subject: IBM, "Ulysses," and "Illuminated Books and MS"
>Message-id: <921111183438.1367@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU>

>IBM isn't sure how to do this--YET--but it should
>be possible now to capture full-motion video of
>*student* performances, *student* readings, *student*
>"talking head" authorities, and add them to the
>illuminations as well.

On the Mind Extension University I used to watch a course (tele/BBS/LIVE)
from George Washington U about techno in the secondary classroom.  One
whole segment was devoted to "Ulysses". I'm not sure where others got their
info on this, but Gardner's correct. It was more than a blackboard. The
segment was not simple the IBM demo, but a description (actually video
history) of how the material was used in class. Some one on this board
complained earlier that you could not set up active links; well in the
version I saw there had been changes made to the link structure.
Additional student commentaries had been added. I was impressed--except
with the cost. But then, Amigas have been doing this sort of thing longer
(and for less cost) than anyone else (I believe even longer than Apple),
and hasn't NeXT been on the edge also? Surely with their DSP that platform
should be far ahead of any other in FMV and DigiSound. (See following post
for more NeXT material.)

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The present-day Pachuco refuses to die!"
                                                              - Ruben Sano

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From: peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU (Irvin Peckham)
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Subject: Re: stretch and jumbo comp classes
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:52:49 GMT
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Jim Raymond:
Thanks for putting m. Shaughnessy's work into that very
human perspective.
--
Irvin Peckham
Internet: peckham@unomaha.edu