HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcn@rice.edu ()
Subject: Re: water-proofing gloves
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:02:57 GMT

chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe) writes:

>In serious wet, I use climbing gear.  High-tech and expensive; goretex
>mitten shells over my gloves.  Low tech and cheap: for ice climbing I bought
>some rubberized gloves called Monkey Grips (tm).  $7.95 at your favorite
>hardware store.


For inexpensive, use the heavy duty latex gloves.  Yes, the ones 
from Playtex ;-)  NOT the cheap ship yellow ones you get at the 
grocery stores, but the heavy duty ones with a grippy/rough surface 
to them.  Get them big enough and they will just fit over a pair 
of gloves.  Dexterity is low, but who powershifts in the rain?  Not 
me!

As for the rain running down into the gloves from your jacket, just 
put the gloves on first, then put the rain jacket on over.  Trust me 
when I say that you will get less rain into your gloves/jacket that 
way then putting the gloves over the outside of the jacket sleeves.


--
*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. * 
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   *
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Dead battery
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:59:24 GMT

In article <ZOWIE.92Dec17170557@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>
>Look at your charging system, too.  Your lights shouldn't have been
>dimming like that if your regulator etc is working.  The bike voltage
>should be ~14.4V at speed.  Check fuses, connections, rectifier, regulator
>in that order.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. On some bikes, the battery actually serves some of the
purpuse of voltage regulation (you can run without one) and a dead battery
may screw things up even when the bike is up and running. Do check the
voltage while revving the bike a bit. Batteries are not too expensive
but diagnosing electrical problems can be a pain. If your battery won't hold
a charge, replace it first, and see how things go.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Goldwings are darned interesting motorcycles
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:24:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.201827.26324@ncar.ucar.edu>, jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
|> 
|> Now that they have cellphones integrated into the helmet speakers and
|> microphones on the GW, they're getting close to the true "live on it"
|> motorcycle. Next on the list: a book-sized phased-array satellite dish,
|> for both communications and global positioning system ("We can't be
|> lost; I have our position to within five meters.") Heck, I might put
|> one of those GPS boxes (now widely available in a desensitized
|> commercial version) on my FLHS. :-)

considering who we have leading local rides this is a GOOD IDEA.
hey can you also use those boxes to find out what time it is?

i think i see someones christmass present forming.

not that it would help since this person can't even stop a 
ABS bike properly.


laz
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: delilah@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona)
Subject: Re: new biker story : Katy meets a Volvo
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:55:48 GMT

> >i haven't spoken to anyone out loud yet
> >this email is my first communication
> >(so you get the swear words)
> >bloody bloody bloody
> >hate 'em
> >angry snogs
> >Katy
> 
> 
> Anyone out there got any words of wisdom for Katy?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
yah... always assume that no one sees you, ever (except other bikers, and  
then only if they wave). it's saved my life (and the hawk's!) more than a  
few times...
-D-
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (Was: First ri
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:36:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 11114@colorado.edu, alex@csn.org (ALEX MATTHEWS) writes:
>In article <1gqt8oINNfnb@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>
>>After some parking lot practice, I determined the rear wasn't a whole
>>lot of help, 
>
>ED!  Did you ever post the results of your testing?  Just what does
>"a whole lot of help" mean in numbers?  What variables were involved?

I never did any accurate testing, measuring distances and all.  I
basically got on the front as hard and fast as I felt comfortable,
giving it near 100% concentration, then tried both together.  I almost
always locked the rear, and when I was able to successfully modulate
the rear, I was spending so much time and mental energy on it that my
overall braking distance increased.

I'm sure that with *enough* practice, I would have "learned" to use the
rear to get that extra n% braking power, without detracting from max
front braking (which I admit I was a little shy of, having dumped it
once getting on the front hard and simultaniously countersteering).  At
the time, I wasn't so much interested in "optimal" as in "best for the
street."  I'm sure the weight distribution and braking characteristics
of the Ninja had a lot to do with it, I certainly don't advocate that
others forgo their rear brakes!

My practice opportunities were subsequently dramatically reduced.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Defense Funds     was: Re: EX500 stolen
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:21:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.210935.10460@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>
>i will donate to your defense fund if you happen to find
>said thiefs and happen to take a shotgun to them.
>
Speaking of Defense Funds,  did I miss the outcome of 'Roid takes on a cage'?

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Nude Motorcycle Riding explained!
Summary: Now my boss knows why.
Keywords: nude, motorcycle, explain
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:58:52 GMT

	I had a few pics sent to me several months ago.  One of
these happened to be a nude woman on a motorcycle, looking like she
was just motoring along with a care in the world.  She was wearing
a helmet, but nothing else that I could see.

	So while I'm viewing this great piece of Americana on my
workstation over lunch, in comes the boss...

	"Yeah, they had a nude protest ride in California a few weeks
ago to protest the new helmet law.  I was in the newspapers -- you
didn't hear about it?"

	He bought it.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Accidents close to home (was also Re: HELMETS)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:57:14 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: labrg@emory.edu's message of 13 Dec 92 15:52:51 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Dec 92 15:52:51 GMT, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) said:
Ryan> 	The reason most accidents occur 5 miles away from home is that
Ryan> 	most people are within 5 mile of home most of the time...

Regardless of the accuracy of that statement, accidents close to home
are overrepresented in vehicle miles traveled.  The reason most often
cited for this is "familarity breeds contempt", or at least
complacency.  Studies of all accidents have shown that mental skills
(early detection/prediction) are the most effective countermeasure for
avoidance.  Searching the environment aggressively for hazards,
predicting how they might affect your path of travel - these mental
skills are critical for safe vehicle operation in traffic in all
situations.

Think about riding on a road that you have never travelled before.
You have to look far ahead to make accurate judgements about the road
and environment.  As a motorcyclist rides in familiar territory, on a
short ride, or is close to the beginning or end of a trip, their
attention tends to wander to other things.  Past experience and
knowledge is relied on to some extent to the detriment of aggressive
information gathering and the effectiveness of the rider's mental
accident-avoidance skills is compromised.  Unexpected hazards are
detected later and require even greater physical skills to avoid.

These conclusions are basic to the concepts of risk management.  The
more time and space you have to react to a hazard, the more likely
that you will be able to avoid it.  Most research-based driver and
rider education curriculae for street operation are designed to
emphasize the mental aspects of motor vehicle operation.  One of my
favorite Q&A summary intros in the MRC:RSS is at the end of module 7,
the discussion of mental strategies.  "Surprises happen all the time
on the street.  Unexpected situtations may represent hazards to you as
a motorcyclist.  Other surprises are more pleasant, especially when
they don't require you to react to avoid a collision!  These are the
kind of surprises you can smile about.  In the final analysis, the use
of a good street riding strategy comes down to deciding which kind of
surprises you want."
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU (Ray Hixon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: OK, what should I get for the twisties?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:18:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>So I'm looking for something along the lines of a cafe racer. I want
>>something that will be fun in twisties, that simply wants to lean
>>into those corners of its own volition. But I don't want to ride
>>with my knees directly below or behind my ass; no crotch rockets.
>>I want a goodly amount of low-end power, but an absolute top-end of
>>about 120 mph would be more than plenty; probably less would do.
>>
>>Lastly, I'd like to get something for around $3000 or less after it
>>has been fixed up in tip-top shape (including tires). And I'd prefer
>>that to have < 10000 miles on it.
>>

I'd recommend the Suzuki GS500E.  Sure, flame me because it's a mere
500 twin, but here's my experience with one:

My friend Don wanted to start racing in WERA Clubman.  He wanted a
good handling, _reliable_ bike, which took out the Ascots immediately.
He located a repo 1990 GS500 for $1015 at Roswell Honda/Suzuki. It
had a V&H pipe with the street baffle already on it.  A Dynojet
Stage III kit and a K&N open filter later, it put out 44 hp on the
Cycle Nuts and Bolts dyno (at the rear wheel through a stiff, new
O-ring chain).  Total cost so far:  under $2000.  No Fox shock yet,
though.

Absolute top end:  about 110-115 mph.  Handling:  great.  Riding position
better than usual.  Mileage:  great.  Insurance:  low.  Crashability:
high.

Consider it!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Hixon
WERA #623 Expert
a Single-minded guy 

-- 
Ray Hixon
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ae219rh
Internet: ae219rh@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:25:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.151352.19830@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
> (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>>CP Tomes writes:
>>> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>>>>jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>>|> Everything is for sale. It just depends on the offer.
>>>>so how much for the bra? my first offer is $1
>>>Next bid is $2
>>>Couldn't resist.
>>You guys obviously have not a clue of what a good bra goes for these days..
>Nobody has inquired about condition yet.

Ok, I bite.  (Sick mind!! I didn't mean THAT)
What is the conditin of said bra?

CP "Chuck the incredibly stupid and soon to be not a student AGAIN" Tomes
ps i get this way every finals week
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:36:30 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:


>Contaminated food and unsafe medication would be taken, I presume, without
>your knowledge of their dangerous condition. Misrepresentation of product
>is what we are protected from in such cases. 
>
We are also protected from our own stupidity by there being a restriction on
potentially adictive medicines, medicines that the FDA considers should only
be taken on a doctors authority because their abuse might be potentially
harmful .. and so on.     

>Why do you have to pay my bills? If that's your complaint, then do something
>about our increasingly socialistic, bleeding heart liberal government that
>thinks everyone is entitled to medical treatment and the rest of it. I'll 
>take care of me and my own, without your help, thank you.
> 

So you have private medical insurance to cover the eventuality that you will
be a maintained vegetable at $2000 per week for 20 years?
If you don't, then what are we to do with you? leave you in the road where
you fell?

No socialist I know has a bleeding heart. Most socalists consider socialism an
advanced form of civilisation, for which most of the world (including the
US) is not yet sufficiently mature.  Exceptions being (Geez I hope I get
this right) Italy, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, New Zealand ... but
unfortunately not Britain.
-- 
--

David Maconochie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dwjurkat@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jurkat)
Subject: Throttle cable?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:54:54 EST

Hi, I have a Honda CB750 Custom and the problem is that the throttle
doesn't return when I twist it.  It seems to have a very weak spring
or whatever since twisting it open is a little harder than twisting it
back.  Where do I look for the return spring?  I did pour some
molibdenum stuff down both throttle cables.  Yea, why are there two 
cables?  BTW in case it's not totally clear I'm a newbie.  Also where
in the Clymer can I find this.  

On a lighter note:  Where can I get a permit for a couple of sidewinders
or will I need to write to my congress critter?  The best defense is
a good offense -- and them's there cages out there to hunt. :)
Volvos, mercedezess (sp?), other yuppie cages, ...   Trophies anyone?:')

Oh well, time to get back to reality,  thanks netters & DoD'ers!
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Need help with wierd mirror question
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:42:34 GMT
Distribution: usa

klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:

>In <1fpf4eINNeba@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:

>>This is going to sound pretty screwed up, but bear with me, I have my facts
>>straight.

>>I received (birthday gift) a really great set of mirrors last year for my
>>KZ250. This year, when I moved up to the KZ440 (both LTD's), I tried to
>>transfer the good mirrors from the 250 to the 440.

>>The left side mirror fits fine on the 440, but the mirror for the right
>>handlebar will not fit. The threads on the mirror stem are left handed,
>>and don't jive with the threads on the post (ie, the hole mounted on the master
>>cyclinder that the mirror screws into).

>>But, get this. Both of the mirrors that came with the 440 fit fine on the
>>250 (original plan was just to swap them).

>>I have tried the adapters they sell for this, but the mirror will not screw
>>into the adapters, they are threaded the wrong way, and every store claims
>>that adapters threaded the other way don't exists.

>>What are my options here? Getting different mirrors is not an option I
>>like at all, these mirrors are the best that I have ever had and I don't want
>>to part with them.

>>Is there some really obvious solution that I am just missing?

>><and no smart-ass answers out of you Jim Franklin, either>

Hey, Yamaha does or did the same thing, and in putting aftermarket
mirrors on Beth's Exciter, we ran into the same problem. I took the
mount down to a machine shop that a lot of racers use, and they put in
a right handed metric helicoil. I later found that there are left and
right mirrors sold by the same co. that we bought the original ones
from.

You do have a choice, but you gotta look around.


>  Nothing holds as tight as a good cross thread. Since I don't beleive

That &*@#$^*! Harley mechanic told me about the same thing. I thought
that he was joking until now...

>they make left hand thread taps or heli-coils I'm afraid your stuck. 

AAaahhh, but they do, so she's not...



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'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES* (maybe) :{(^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
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From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: living to really flame! catching the tank on fire...
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:11:21 GMT
Expires: 15 Jan 93 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision

In article <1gjreqINN6je@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>When I worked at gas stations in New York, there was always an emergency
>stop-all-the-pumps switch and a fire extinquisher switch (foam from the
>overhead canapies) mounted both on one of the poles outside and inside right
>by either the door or the cash register.

"They" seem to be big on halon setups out on this side of the country.
Nozzles everywhere - at knee level and over head.

As for a bike catching fire due to spilling gas on the engine...I've done it 
and backed off REAL quick only to listen to the gas sizzle on the heads.
Of course, had I just stood there I'd probably be a crispy critter now 
instead.  I guess that its like dice - sometimes you win and sometimes you 
lose.


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"
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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Durability
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:25:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au
Keywords: why

johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:

>Why are bikes and cars so incredibly fragile?                                   >                                                                                
>I mean, we would like to think that if we could get our bike or car, any 
>bike or any car, to say, 100,000 miles, without major problems we are
>having a near mystical experience in reliability.  Bullshit.  At an 
>average of 50 mph, 100,000 miles is only 2000 hours of operation.
>That's nothing compared to the reliability of many mechanical systems.
>So what is it with bikes and cars that makes them so fragile.
>What's even scarier is how many bikes/cars can not even get to 
>50,000 miles reliably.
>Just a thought.                                                                >Ride Free,                                                                      
Three major factors result in the problems you are complaining about...

1) Cheap (cost-cutting) design. 
2) Poor maintinence  
3) Hard driving

You can't do much about #1 but you can drastically improve the relaiability of 
your car by concentrating on regular and correct amounts of #2 and less #3.  

Regards Scott.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au]  PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272).                
                                                             _--_|\       N
Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
University of Western Australia.      Perth [32S, 116E]-->  *_.--._/      S
Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v       

Joy is a Jaguar XJ6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic 
wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: OK, what should I get for the twisties?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:33:00 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec17.231918.9391@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com
(Curtis Jackson) writes:
>So I'm looking for something along the lines of a cafe racer. I want
>something that will be fun in twisties, that simply wants to lean
>into those corners of its own volition. But I don't want to ride
>with my knees directly below or behind my ass; no crotch rockets.
>I want a goodly amount of low-end power, but an absolute top-end of
>about 120 mph would be more than plenty; probably less would do.
>
>Lastly, I'd like to get something for around $3000 or less after it
>has been fixed up in tip-top shape (including tires). And I'd prefer
>that to have < 10000 miles on it.
>
>What does the great DoD/Wretch.Moto crowd recommend?

Norton Commando

Moto Guzzi 850T

Kawasaki GPz 900

Cagiva Allazzura

Yamaha RZ350

If you're shorter than 5'10", Honda 650 Hawk or Yamaha SRX6
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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