From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:58:26 GMT
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

In article <SBO.92Apr8195121@walhalla.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
#In article <1992Apr1.173245.6854@cattnts> craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell) writes:
#   In article <9643@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
#
#   >1950's : censuses of Quebec are microfilmed.  Location names are only
#   >documented in English.
#
#   What, a name is not a name?  What is the english name for Quebec city?
#   If every location was actually given a name both in french and english, then
#   this is government sillyness at a real high!!  (I have to admit, I would be
#   annoyed if the government tried to change my name.)
#
The documents were concerning Quebec, were describing cultural material,
and contained not only the places names, but other information.  This
indicates that Canada will not help in cultural issue, except when we
complain.
 
#   >Until 1976 and law 101 : a French-speaking could not get higher than
#   >a subaltern job in many English-directed companies in Quebec
#
#   "could not get higher"?  That is an interesting phrase.  Why could a "French-
#   speaking" [person] not get higher?  Inability to communicate with the parrent
#   company?  Board of directors?  Or was it a vicious nasty plot? :-)
#
If two persons can do the jobs (thus, equal ability to do the job),
and one is a franco-bilingual and the other anglo-unilingual, the
anglo got the job.  Not a vicious nasty plot, just a vicious nasty practice.
 
#   >Francos are some 5-6 millions in a see of 250 millions
#   >of English-speaking and they can challenge the 250 millions language!
#   >Are we that powerful?
#
#   I don't believe that anyone wishes to erradicate the french language or
#   culture.  I do suspect that some groups are fostering that fear for their
#   own personal gains.  
#
#   Why don't other cultures in canada also have this fear.  I have some personal
#   experience with German, Italian, and some Oriental cultures and have never
#   detected any fear of their culture dieing.
 
After one or two generation, there original language become some matter
of curiosity except if they live in a ghetto-like area (i.e. in a 
liguistic island).  We are some 6 millions concentrated in one province
for the most, you should not compare with under a million groups
in a sparsed area.
 
#
#   >Almost no calendar published by an Anglo-Canadian company say that 
#   >June 24 is Quebec National Day.  This includes many calendars 
#   >distributed inside Quebec.
#
#   Well, for one Quebec is not a nation.  For another, the calendar's already
#   have John the Baptist (St. Jean de Baptiste Day (Quebec) ) on the calendar.
#   (My office calendar has the French spelling.)
For one, June 24 is officially "Quebec National Day" by a Quebec
National Assembly law.
For two, Quebec is a nation.  If you contest this, you are confused
(if you think the use of confused here is pejorative, I am sorry,
but in my limited English, it is close of French confus which is
accurate here) between a Nation and a Country.
For three, if your calendar said "St. Jean de Baptiste Day", you should
change your calendar.  Right spelling is St-Jean-Baptiste.
 
#   >Federal forbids any publishing of documents proving that Quebec
#   >secession can be done economically.  Last year, C.D.Howe institute
#   >got a blame for such a document.
#
#   Perhaps because it can't be done economically.  I don't know.  But if Quebec
#   did leave, they could definitely take their share of the national debt with
#   them.
#
We are already paying our share of the federal debt.  I don't see what that
change and it is thus irrelevant.  But, if federal bannish 
publication of this kind of documents, this prove that (1) they are
disturbing the reality to try to prove secession is negative; (2)
they know they have no real argument to keep Quebec in Canada.
 
#   What ever happened to people just being nice to each other?  You know
#   "neighbourly, friendly, tolerant"?  Perhaps it was just an urban legend.
#   Too bad.  Sigh...
#
I work in a almost uniquely French-speaking company.  There are some
anglophones that never speak in French.  Find me one anglo/TROC company 
WHere a unilingual francophone can work.  Then, I will say
you're right.  For now, Quebec is more tolerant, and by a large
factor, than Canada/TROC.
 
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