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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Timing
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:44:45 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1it60nINN3ph@umbc8.umbc.edu>, ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.065453.25421@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>>> Siamese cats are not commonly available in shelters.
>>
>>We have them available for adoption here at Alameda Animal Shelter.
>>On the east coast I've seen them at the Rockland County SPCA.  You
>>don't need to bring more into the world to get one.
> 
> Well that's certainly helpful to know (NOT!). I don't live anywhere
> near you and I don't even know where Rockland County SPCA is. Further,
> when I was looking for a Siamese cat, there were none in any of the
> shelters in the area. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think
> shelters can guarentee an endless supply of Siamese cats. I couldn't
> even find one in the paper. Each time I answered an ad, the cats
> were already sold. I looked for two months, when I finally found one
> through a friend at work and had to pay $100. 

Uh, can we turn the heat down a bit, please?

I just went through the "Great Siamese Cat Hunt" just before
Christmas-- friends who had always had siamese, and preferred to adopt
from shelters, were looking for a new siamese.  No luck in the Chicago
area shelters.  No luck in the NE Indiana shelters, where they live.  
I volunteered to try shelters in Iowa-- no luck.  None in Minneapolis, 
where the friends' nephew lived.

Four days before nephew was heading to visit my friends, one of my
students mentioned that she'd just been to the shelter here that day,
and that there would be a flame-point siamese available for adoption
in the next day or so, if the owners still hadn't claimed him. (I'd
only been calling shelters every other day for about 3 weeks at this
point...)

Yup, called the local shelter the next day, and the cat was available
for adoption.  Nameless was a marvelous full-grown tom -- very social
and smart.  We made the trip to the vets for neutering, Mark came down
from Minneapolis especially to pick up the cat, and took him to 
Indiana, to his delighted aunt and uncle.

Sometimes it just takes _lots_ of patience if you're being a bit picky
on breed or whatever...

Oh yes, Nameless is now Chris (for Christmas) and is a great favorite.
Even the dogs like him...  8-)

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Re: Excessive water drinking - and possible constipation
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:30:28 GMT

In article <H.eg.qDY3X_aZnjA@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mforget@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hi.
>
>My cat seems to be drinking an awful lot of water lately, and going to the
>litterbox a lot more often.  Sometimes it seems he is not doing anything in
>there.  He goes in, waits ten seconds or so, and then leaves.
>
>Is this an indicator that something is seriously wrong or is he just not
>feeling well?
>

Any time an animal starts drinking more, it usually also produces more urine.
Both are signs of all sorts of problems that should be diagnosed by
a veterinarian.

If your cat is drinking more and *not* producing more urine, chances are
good it will explode.  Seriously, increased water in with no increase out
are incompatible with life.  If it goes on for more than a day or so, the
cat will appear obviously sick.

I suspect your cat is urinating in the box.  A checkup by your vet would
be well advised.

-Jeff
---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet   AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: The Sacred Halogen Torchiere
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:40:46 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1993Jan12.170228.3604@inel.gov>, kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J
Ferguson) writes:
> We have 2 of these lamps and our cats could care less.  However,
> we do lock the lamps away when we go on vacation because the
> cats tend to knock them over (only when we're gone for a week
> or so).  
> 
> Jamie

ok, I'm gonna ask what could be a really stupid question.  What the heck is a
Halogen Torchiere?  Maybe I've seen them before but didn't know what they were
called.
					Peggy

           ===================================================
          | Peggy Shock  				      |
          | Tektronix, Inc., Network Displays Division	      |
          | PO Box 1000, MS 60-430, Wilsonville, OR 97070     |
          | (503) 685-2030 - email: peggys@orca.WV.TEK.COM    |
           ===================================================
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Litterbox tip
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:12:56 GMT

wd6cmu@netcom.com (Eric Williams) writes:
[some sentences deleted to save space]
>I got tired of "digging for gold" in my litter box every night and
>thought there must be a better way.  Here's a technique for clumping
>litter I've been using for two or three weeks that seems to work
>pretty good.  
...
>Then go to the hardware store and get three or four feet of 1/4-inch
>"hardware cloth".  Take a pair of tin snips and cut and bend the
>hardware cloth into a tub shape that will fit reasonably snugly
>inside of your litter boxes.  (This is the hardest part, get someone
>handy with building things to do it for you if you can.)

>When it's time to clean the litter box, put the hardware cloth
>strainer into the empty litter box and dump the dirty one into it. 
>Now gently agitate the strainer to get the loose litter to fall through
>into the litter box.  (Now you're panning for gold instead of digging
>for it. ;-)  Dump what got strained into your bag and seal it up.
>-- 
>Eric Williams     wd6cmu@netcom.com  |  Never attribute to malice that which

I thought of something like this myself although I've never done it, but
instead of having a second litter box with the screen and dumping the used
litter into it, why not just leave the screen in the litter pan?  The
cat(s) shouldn't mind it if the litter is deep enough.  Then each evening,
just lift up the screen with all the clumps, and dump them.

Gee, that does sound like a good idea.  I might have to try it.  I'll keep
you all posted.

Shari Bernhard
Mom to Gray-One, White-One, Little-One, and of course, the Sanders
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat show
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:28:58 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


: So, yes, it takes some work to convince a cat that cat shows are a
: source of fun.. but it's worth it.

: 				AMBAR

Then there are those who think that everyone is there to see them.  Durin
wanted to know why everyone wasn't petting him. :)  I can't wait to show
Spike.  He goes to visit a strange house and thinks that he owns the place.
Of course all of the people are there to admire and play with him--he's
Spike! :)

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: reid@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Robert Reid)
Subject: Re: DSH
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:52:40 GMT

aa248@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jocelyn E. Ferguson) writes:

>Domestic Short Hair...and if you want one, I have 4 hand raised (mom
>abandoned them) here to give away....FREE...I already have 4 housecats and
                 ^^^^

and exactly where would 'here' be?

>8 barncats.   For your info..10 day old kittens can be successfully
>raised on goat milk, boiled eggs and baby vitamins
>Jo.
> 
>-- 

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vleppert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Leppert)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING? (ALSO: PLUG FOR IL NO-KILL SHELTER)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:44:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.213104.1245@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.182755.2143@news.acns.nwu.edu> vleppert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Leppert) writes:
>>
>>Here are the rules in their adoption agreement:
>
>I have problems with a few of their rules. Not the common-sense ones like 
>getting the cat neutered/spayed, annual vet visits, shots, basic care and
>feeding, etc., just the ones where they impose their opinions on me.
>
>>3. I will not allow my cat at liberty outdoors.  My cat is to be on a leash,
>>in a carrier, or in a safe enclosed area when out of doors. (Note: this is in
>>Chicago).
>
>I'm assuming that the "Note:" is yours, not theirs. While it is obviously a 
>good idea to keep your cat indoors in a busy urban area, what if I move to a 
>rural one, where there are lots of trees, mice, etc. and the risk of being run 
>over/kidnapped/whatever is negligible? At that point, I believe it is crueler 
>to keep the cat indoors.
>
>But perhaps a fenced 5-acre field could be considered a "safe enclosed area". 
>At the very least, it's open to varying - and conflicting - definitions.
>
>>9. If I move, I agree to notify Felines promptly of my new address and
>>telephone number.
>
>Am I supposed to notify Felines every time I move in the next 15 years? Even
>if I go overseas? Nuts. I have too many people to notify already.
>
>>11.  I hereby give Felines perission to telephone me and/or visit my residence
>>during reasonable hours to check my cat.
>
>Telephone, no problem. But visits? Not without reasonable notice and at a 
>mutually-convenient agreed-upon-in-advance time, I don't. And even then ...
>
>I have no argument that their hearts are in the right place, but I think 
>they're pushing it a bit.
>
>What happens if someone doesn't live up to some of these "rules" even if it's 
>clear that the cat is in very good hands?
>-- 
>Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
>Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu


Well, basically, we agree.  Their hearts are in the right place.  Given the
trouble of enforcing a contract like this, I think the intent is to make
people think about their obligations as cat owners.  I support them because
they are a no kill shelter.  We saw a cat there with diabetes who had been
there a number of years.  not many people would take care of a cat like that. 
A number of shelters in this area have even more stringent rules, and they are
not no-kill shelters.  In a no-kill shelter, I think they have the right to be
a little more demanding.  For a shelter that kills off strays, I really wonder
if they can afford to be that demanding.

Valerie
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat static!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:56:27 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA's message of 12 Jan 93 14:19:34 GMT

In article <18469@bcars664.bnr.ca> lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley) writes:

   Actually, one thing I do try when petting them is this...each stroke of 
   the cat picks up static on my hand. When I touch them again I give them
   a shock (their little noses crunch up and they look so surprised!). I 
   try to eliminate the shock by touching something else before petting 
   them again. Pet the cat, touch something, pet the cat, touch something...
   it's pretty annoying but it works!

   Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated...

   - Lianne -

I have had good success by changing the way that I pet my cats during
static-y weather.  Instead of the usual long, one-way strokes, I pet
them in little circles, ending each stroke where I started.  This can
be either light touches or heavier massaging; either technique will
generate massive amounts of purring, but no static.  As an added
benefit, our (neutered) male cat is far less likely to swat playfully
at a hand that pets him in little circles vs long strokes.

Marsha Jo Hannah
La Honda, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: AMAZING!! Re: DECLAWING?
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:20:12 GMT

|> > spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
|> >> In my area, animals who are allowed to roam freely
|> >> rapidly become road pizza.
|> >
|> >Right.  This is why I qualified my statement that
|> >cats should be given sufficient time outdoors
|> >*if practical*.
|> >
|> >If it's not practical (i.e. safe) to let the cat out
|> >a bunch then obviously don't do it.
|> >

We managed to turn a lengthy and tedious flame war about declawing
into one about indoor vs. outdoor. 

SIGH!  Anyone in favor of vegetarian diets for cats???

(please please please don't answer that question.)

Now if I could only figure out why I was still following the declawing
thread in the first place.

	Ann

DISCLAMER:  Above post is meant to be sarcastic.  Any and all infamatory
responses should be directed to /dev/null

-- 

Ann M. Davis
amd@space.mit.edu			 "Choose your battles wisely"
MIT Center for Space Research
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:31:10 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

In article <1id0beINNd17@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:

>Can you tell me where outdoor cats can truly be considered safe from the
>dangers of cars?  My one and only indoor/outdoor cat (by household rule,
>not my choice or hers) was hit by a car.  We lived in a rural area on 10
>acres.  We had farms on either side of us.  There is no such thing as safe
>where cats and traffic are concerned.  "Safer" maybe, but not safe.

I'm very sorry to hear you lost a cat in this way.

To answer your question: I don't really have the answers, but
can relate to you my own experience.  I have had two
cats total, both indoor-outdoor.  The first, Mosis, is now 
eleven, and is alive and well, and if I had to lay
bets I'd say he will live out his natural life without 
getting hit by a car.  He has lived at 2 locations in 
Berkeley and 2 in San Francisco -- not really heavily
traffic situations, but still on urban blocks.

I attribute this aspect of his longevity to the fact
that my wife and I have taken the time to teach him
to avoid traffic, stay out of the street, etc.

The other cat, Fricative, was a little less than 
full-grown (maybe 8 months) when she was killed by a dog.
Unfortunately I've found that in the region of
Berkeley I live in there is not a strong culture of
keeping dogs under control.  Unfortunately, my wife and I were
not enough aware of this partucular danger to outdoor
cats at the time and therefore were not cautious
enough.  I now know that to be safe outdoors, a cat must
not only have fully-developed running abilities (to
escape from cars), but very good climbing abilities (to
escape from dogs).

There are many outdoor cats on the block I live
on.  One was killed by a car earlier this year.  However,
that particular cat was constantly crossing the
street in an unsafe fashion --  I'd seen him nearly get
run over before.  I have not noticed similar
dangerous behavior on the part of my cat Mosis so
I am not worried about him.  If I did notice him
behaving unsafely, I would take steps to protect him,
up to and including keeping him trapped inside if
necessary.  (And to hell with the carpets and furntiture.)

My wife had 3 indoor/outdoor cats where she lived 
previously (a suburb) and all live to old age without
getting run over.

So.  My belief is that it is safe to keep a cat outdoors,
in all but the most heavy traffic areas, if (1) you 
know that he has the skills to stay out of the way
of vehicles and (2) he is a good climber and/or there
are no loose dogs or other predators (coyotes, etc.) around.

(Another possible hazard, outdoor cats getting murdered by 
people, also needs to be considered...thank god I haven't
run into that.)

Steve
From: heather@cs.concordia.ca (Heather Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Maine Coon
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:53:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec


Could anyone tell me something about Maine Coon cats?
Thank you,
--Heather
heather@cs.concordia.ca
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From: david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas)
Subject: How many cats do *you* have?
Summary: This is not a contest.
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:42:55 GMT

I've heard people ask what the "ideal" number of cats might be,
but who in this group has the largest number of cats in the house?
No need to reply if you have less than six--there are people who 
post regularly who apparently have at least that many.
-- 
David Thomas  Texas Instruments  (david@wotangate.sc.ti.com)  (713)-274-2347
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Subject: Cat static!
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:33:08 GMT

I have a domestic long-haired cat that has amazing static during the
winter!  It wasn't a problem last year, so I suspect the carpet in my
new apartment is the culprit.

Does anyone have suggestions for de-staticing my poor kitty?  She gets
a big shock whenever anyone touches her -- an audible CRACK! that can
be very disconcerting if she's giving "kitty kisses" with her nose!

Thanks, all.
-- 
Patricia Martin Steward                      patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
ments that differentiate me from a doormat.       Rebecca West, 1913
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Cat insomnia ritual..Help! 
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:40:24 GMT

In article <sfHNGzK00iV2M1_4Rj@andrew.cmu.edu> "Tara L. Taylor" <tt1p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>My 13 week old gray & tan tabby "Ezmerelda" 
>keeps me awake at night. She used to sleep all night, 
>next to my head, but just recently she started this 
>pacing ritual. [...] I guess she is not sleepy because 
>she sleeps most of the day while I'm at work. 

Get another kitten around the same age. Once they are used to each other, one 
of two things will happen:

    1. They will play together all day, so they are worn out and sleep the
       night through.
    2. They will sleep together all day, then wake you up in the middle of
       the night chasing each other around the house.

At the very least you will be no worse off than you are now :-). But your 
kitten will have a playmate while you are not around, and you will have two 
adorable kitties in your house!
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk (Sheila Thomas)
Subject: Re: xneko and oneko 
Distribution: world
Organization: moderate-to-good
Reply-To: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:13:54 +0000

Someone asked for sites to FTP neko files and then said -


>I've received responses with the desired information.  Thanks to all!
>
I had hoped the answers would have been posted so I could see them too 
as I only have one version of Neko.
>

-- 

__________________________________________
Malwen                             

..even snails get there in the end.
___________________________________________
From: feldman@flash.crd.ge.com (Sandra F Feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: is it too cold?
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:58:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

A nice cozy cat bed can be made by putting a blanket in an old laundry basket
which has been turned on its side.  My cats love theirs; sometimes I find two
of them sharing the basket.  I always leave the blanket heaped in the basket so
that they can rearrange it to their hearts' content.  If it's really cold, they
burrow inside the blanket and just leave the tips of their noses sticking out.
Really cute.

-- 
Sandy Feldman
feldman@crd.ge.com

my opinions are mine and do not reflect a position of General Electric
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: "barry schiele" <barry.schiele@canrem.com>
Subject: timing
Reply-To: "barry schiele" <barry.schiele@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:30:48 EST

Re timing and cats estrus cycle (heat). I am a breeder of DEVON REX cats
and have some experience in this reguard. My female go into heat about
once amonth for 5-7 days. If not mated during this time the cycle
repeats. It is critical that if you do not breed a female you MUST get
her spayed. It can cause all kinds of health problems if you don't. I
recently sold a kitten to some one who had a neutered male and a three
year old intact female. I mentioned this to her and when she took the
cat to the vet for spaying it was too late, the cat was full of uterine
tumers.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jlw44726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (angeles)
Subject: Re: Cats and TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:03:19 GMT

In article <1ig8k1INNfh3@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
>I'd like to know if anyone else's cat does this. Carmen watches
>TV. Seriously! She sits on the end of my lazyboy recliner in the
>meatloaf position and watches TV for about 15 minutes at a time..


When I took little Bug home over break, he would watch Popeye cartoons
on the living room television.. he wouldn't watch anything else, though,
just Popeye.. 


-- 
        "There is a kind of happiness and wonder  |    Jenney Wilson
         that makes you serious.  It is too good  |     
         to waste on jokes."   -C.S. Lewis        |   kaleid@uiuc.edu

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From: magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (CAT LOVER)
Subject: Pals one minute...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:59:47 GMT

An odd thing is going on with my two cats!

Background:  the one is a 2 year old female, the other a male kitten, 5 months.
I just got him 6 weeks ago.

The female, Chelsea, hated him for the longest time, and would hiss, growl, and
bat him around.

The other day for the first time I caught her grooming him, and they were 
laying together on the chair.

Then today she was back to hissing and growling at him, and she still won't 
sleep with me at night like she used to, or come lay on my lap.  She just isn't
very affectionate anymore, and I wonder whether she ever will be!

She seems happier if I shut him up for awhile when I come home, and make sure 
she has individual attention, but I don't want to cater to her, either.

He hogs everything if I don't shut him up; he eats her food, butts in and grabs
her toys when I'm trying to play with her, etc.  He follows me everywhere, and 
if I'm not around, he follows her everywhere, much to her dismay.  He's really 
affectionate, and sleeps with me at night, and she won't share me!

I have been told it takes up to 2 months, but I'm almost there now!

Marti
From: dave.yuhas@ggcs.org (Dave Yuhas) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: SCDOWN
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Golden Gate Computer Society BBS - Marin, CA - 415-927-1216
Reply-To: dave.yuhas@ggcs.org (Dave Yuhas) 

TT>Hi,
TT>I'm looking to find a persian kitten, preferably a Chinchilla.
TT>I live in San Diego, Cal. and don't know where to begin my search.
TT>Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Have you let your fingers do the walking?  Check the Yellow Pages.  Or
find one of the cat magazines at a vet's office or your local library;
they have lists of breeders.

Dave Yuhas
---
 . OLX 2.2 . Chicken heads are the chief food of captive alligators.
                                          
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