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From: rwu@ismdqa.intel.com (Ronnie Wu )
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: INFO about L.A. and San Diego
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:53:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corp.


>Hi, netters.
>I am taking my wife and 2 year old boy to L.A. and San Diego
>for 9 day vacation this winter.
>
>I am considering Sea world in Sandiego, Disney Land and Universal Studio
>in L.A. area as major attractions to go.
>Do you have suggestions for any other MUST-SEE places to people
>like us who have never been to California ?
>We will spend a half of vacation in San Diego and the other half
>in L. A.
>
	Queen Mary at Long Beach. I don't know if she is still open.
They (Disney) were talking about closing this Hotel/Attraction last
year.

>One other question is,
>Is there any way to get discont tickets for the major attractions 
>listed above ?
>For example, I could save some money by discount tickets when we
>had vacation in Orlando, FLorida.

>Thank you always for help.
>
>-- yi@ecn.purdue.edu


Ron 
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: Customs in L.A.????
Keywords: customs
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:12:37 GMT

u9227164@cc.uow.edu.au (Neil P Dillon) writes:

>I am going to be flying from Sydney to Chicago via L.A.
>I was wondering, where do I go through customs??  My bags will be checked
>all the way to Chicago, so would I go through customs in L.A. or Chicago.
>Can anyone give me insight?  Thanks in advance

You will go through Immagration and then you will get your bags.  You will
then go through customs with your baggage.  Then, you ill have the 
oppertunity to re-check your baggage, but YOU must accompany it through
US Customs.  If you go the entire way on United (or one other airline), it
wil be easier.,

-Noah Cole
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From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Best Paris Restaurant?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:13:32 GMT


My somewhat out-of-date restaurant guide lists Jamin's menus at 690 and
790 francs, and Taillevent's at 650.  Assuming prices haven't gone up
too much, I suppose you could get out for under $200 a person by skimping
on the wine, but for me that spoils the damn-the-expense spirit.

The Michelin red book is totally unreliable.  Gault-Millau is much
better, but is often biased toward places with fancy decor and elaborate
service--which is why they pick the stuffy and overpriced Masa's over
the informal La Folie, despite the latter having better food and a
more thoughtfully selected wine list.  On the other hand, G-M does have
a fondness for cheap, inexpensive restaurants that serve fantastic food.
If not for G-M, I'd never have discovered La Merenda in Nice, one of the
best and also one of the humblest establishments in that town.

Two of the best books on Paris restaurants, the Food Lover's Guide to
Paris and Cheap Eats in Paris (which, despite its catchy title, includes
some decidedly un-cheap places), both recommend L'Ambassade d'Duvergne.

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From: scm@cbnews.cb.att.com (shishir.c.modi)
Subject: Need travel advice for Egypt
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:12:55 GMT
Keywords: Egypt, pyramids, Cairo

I am thinking about breaking my journey for few days in Cairo on my
way to India. I will be travelling in mid January.
Few weeks back there was lots of discussion about Egypt
in the news group. Well, at that time I did not know about my trip
to India, and I did not save any of those articles. If any one has
saved those postings, could you send them to my e-mail address?

My original intent was to go to Cairo, see the Pyramids, and the museum.
Then to go to Luxor, Aswan and Abu Simbal. But then I also will have
family with me (kids 6 and 4). My question to all the people who have visited
these places is that is it worth dragging the kids to all these places?
Is there a lot to walk in these places? What if I only visit Cairo?
Are there any guided tours to the pyramids outside Cairo? Any suggestion
for for goods hotels in Cairo? Would two nights in Cairo be sufficient?
Any precaution for kids health that I need to exercises?
Is there any travel advisory out for travelling to Egypt?

Please let me know as soon as possible so that I can make travel 
arrangements all the way to India and back.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Shishir Modi
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
scm@cblpe.ATT.COM
!att!cblpe!scm
From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic (part 2 of 2)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:48:00 GMT
Organization: Stanford University School of Medicine
NNTP-Posting-Host: camis.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov8.195938.9929@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>
>               So instead of seeing the Alcazar, Mark and I had our usual
>          "where is this country going?" discussion.  We seem to get into this
>          philosophical mode at least once each trip.  Mark seems to think
>          that all of the Dominican Republic's problems can be traced to a
>          surfeit of Catholicism. 

So Mr. white protestant (or whatever the hell his religion is) spent 6 days
in a country and was able to analyze its problems and trace them to
Catholicism.

I'm not from the Dominican Republican but I'm from Spain, a country 98%
Catholic which along with Catholic Italy have the 2nd-3rd lowest birth
rates in the world and few of the problems that you found so 'Catholic'
in the Dominican Republic (doesn't that shake your Sunday School stereotypes?).
We, of course, have our own brand of problems.

But perhaps mr. protestant (or whatever the hell his religion is) may have
now time to analyze the US since he is back.

Tell me, when you were in the Dominican Republic did you have any Catholics
offering you drugs in every corner like in Manhattan? Or did you make a
wrong Catholic left turn out of a glittering Casino into an Atlantic
City slum?

Were you able to discern from the Catholic Dominican-Republic newspapers that
for every Dominican Republican murdered, there are 250 Americans murdered?.
Or in the airport, did you have some menacing-looking Catholic guys stand
next to you so you would 'voluntarily' give them your Smarte-Carte?

Were you ripped-off by any Catholic cabbie on the ride from the airport?. 
Tell me, in a country as poor as the Dominican Republic, did you see
many Catholic homeless? Or did you witness any Catholic drive-by shooting?
When you walked at night, were you as frightened as when you are in
Detroit or Atlanta, or more? How many Catholic religious fanatics
did you see? These catholics asking you for tips everywhere...were
they worse or the same as those in the Miami Airport?

People like you shouldn't be allowed into other countries. It would be for
your own protection since those environments may strain your intellect beyond
your allowable physical limits. Instead, you should be limited to 
Dollywood, Tennessee where there is not the slightest possibility of harm
to your neural functions.

Catholicism teaches that poverty is an economic problem, not a moral or
religious one. I'm sorry that your brand of Protestantism (or whatever the
-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Xref: sparky rec.travel:15427 ca.general:1503
From: bloom@ece.ucdavis.edu (Jeffrey A Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,ucd.general,ca.general
Subject: Tahoe Recommendation Wanted
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:02:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Originator: bloom@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu


I would like to spend 5 days in the Lake Tahoe area in the beginning
of January, but I've never been there and I have no idea where to stay.
My wife and I are not interested in gambling and have only slight
interest in skiing (maybe one or two days or half days).  We're looking
for suggestions on nice places to stay from people who've been there.
Thanks in advance.

- Jeffrey

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jeffrey A Bloom				bloom@CIPIC.ucdavis.edu
Computer Vision Research Laboratory
Center for Image Processing and Integrated Computing
University of California, Davis
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From: 108116@adpdp2.lanl.gov (108116)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: New Mexico info wanted
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:20:00 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov6.231152.3122@photon.com>, akt@photon.com (Andrea Terry) writes...
> 
  You could take the road out of Bernalillo through
>the Jemez Mountains around to White Sands, then you can go one way
>to Taos or the other way to Santa Fe. 

You are describing a wonderful drive, however it's Los Alamos you come to, not
White Sands.  They ARE related, but are 100's of miles apart!  ;-)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: World Travel
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:46:22 GMT

In article <BxGIuJ.84I@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> marks@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mark Stadel) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.200454.2169@knight.vf.ge.com> connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com writes:
>
>>P.S.  BTW, has anyone ever suggested starting a travellers group?  
> 
>This is a great idea! 

It's an excellent idea, but I would suggest doing is as a mailing list, rather
than as a newsgroup.  Any volunteer to maintain the list?

Wayne

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ramsey@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (curtis ramsey)
Subject: Travel in Russia and the republics
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:07:15 GMT

I will be traveling to Russia and some of the Central Asian Republics
and was wandering how to do it without using Intourist. Is there any
way to get a business visa or an ordinary visa (I am neither a
businessman nor ordinary :) )? I have heard it may be possible to
"buy" an invitation with which to obtain an ordinary visa. Please help
me avoid the trouble and expense of Intourist.

Thanks
From: kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca (Keiji Kanazawa)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cheap Place to stay in NYC
Date: 09 Nov 92 08:59:23 GMT
Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: miller.cs.ubc.ca


Does anybody know a nice place to stay for 2-3 weeks for cheap in New
York City or vicinity?  By cheap, I mean less than $50 a night.

--

Keiji Kanazawa
kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 12:30:31 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: tv systems in uk and switzerland..

The TV systems used in the UK and Switzerland are both PAL, but
the UK uses PAL-I for sound and civilised Europe uses PAL-BG, so the sound
is not compatable.
This has nothing to do with videocassettes, however. A UK video
cassette will reproduce perfectly on a Swiss videorecorder and
vice versa.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Info on French Guiana???
Keywords: French Guiana 
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:11:01 GMT

ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:

>aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey) writes:
>>Has anybody here ever been to French Guiana? ...
>
>If I may ask, how does one fly there from BC? Just wondering...

If you're flying the usual way in is via Air France;
from North America they have a flight that hops down
the Antilles from Miami to Guiana.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: Caroline.Matthews@p2.f2.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Caroline Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: European and American Travel advice ..... sought desperately !
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:33:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2851.2B029F63
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7104/2.2 - The Catalyst BBS, Port Elizabeth


On 11 Nov 22:07, hlxkar02@uctvax.uct.ac.za (5:7104/2) muttered something about 

 h> Now here's where you come in. I will be fending for myself ie. a working
 h> holiday and I haven't a clue as to how to find employ overseas. I have 

Hi there !

First question is "do you have a non-South African passport ?"
If not, you will be working illegally in Britain and most other
places. Don't try asking the nice man at Heathrow Airport for a 
work permit - he will put you on the next plane home!

If you have a useful passport, there are many employment agencies
in London, or you can try the Walkabout Club in Lancaster Gate.
But you will find manual-type work much easier than anything in 
your career line, I'm afraid.

I can give you some tips on London if you want - Netmail me...

Cheers!
CAROLINE 

 



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From: marks@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mark Stadel)
Subject: Re: World Travel
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:23:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.200454.2169@knight.vf.ge.com> connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com writes:

[lots of good stuff deleted]

>P.S.  BTW, has anyone ever suggested starting a travellers group?  Not a 
>tourist group like this one mostly is ("My husband and I want to go someplace 
>exotic for our Honeymoon", "What's Munich like?", "What's a great hotel in 
>Switzerland?"), but, instead, a group dedicated to the serious, but poor,
>traveller who wants to see the real world "through the back door", not the 
>glitzy, touristy one.  Just a stray thought, but I would appreciate feedback.
>Hope I don't start a "not another group!" thread with this one, but I at least
>think it is a good idea.
 
This is a great idea! I too am tired of "I'm going to [insert your famous
touristy resort]. What can I do.." stuff. I think a new newsgroup would be 
perfect. Call it rec.travel.adventure or something like that; it would cover
travel (preferably low budget) for people who read LP and not Fodors...

Mark


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From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Nepal, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:30:40 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1992Nov10.204234.3005@genome.wi.edu> graham@vax.wi.edu
(Justin Graham) writes about some places.  I respond with biases based
on my own experiences:

>I'm planning a trip in February, March, maybe longer thru Delhi,
>Agra, 

Fantastic and easily worth 2 full days minimum.  Stay near the Taj
gates and go at opening and just before closing, when the crowds are
thinnest.  Say hi at Joni's restaurant.  In town, the Fort is
fantastic, with a great State owned apple juice stand, and there are
other temples that a pedicab can take you.  Do not try to find your
own way around Agra; it is utterly hopeless and pedicab drivers will
hound you.  Arrange for a cab driver, making it clear what your route
will be, and whether or not you wish him to take you to any places for
shopping.

Be sure to go to Fateh Pur Sikri.  Car and driver hire from tourist
office was $30 (1986) with up to 4; the avaliable public transit is
worse than usual, with rickety (even by Indian standards) equipment
and inconvenient schedules.  There are other places on the outskirts
of town that the driver will take you as part of a trip to Fateh.

>Benares, 

Didn't go.

>Kathmandu, 

Tour all towns in the valley and go to Pashtupathinath, the Monkey
temple, and the main Buddhist temple.  Trips to Pokhara, including (if
you're inclined) the 4-5 day r-trip trek to Ghorepani, and Chitwan
National Park, are both easily arranged and reached on one's own.

>Bangkok, 

Interesting stuff, especially the canals where the morning market is
held, the palace, and the big buddhist temple near canals.  Great
food.  Dirty air and very slow transportation.  Some good beaches in
various places in Thailand.  Sukhothai and Phi Mai were very
interesting ruins.  However, I found the pervasive prostitution sleazy
and I like more mountainous terrain for vacation: I preferred both
India and Nepal to Thailand.

>and Columbo, Sri Lanka, 

Didn't go there.  Is there still a lot of political unrest?

>with the option to see some more 
>of India and Thailand.  Does anyone have any tips on places to go, good side
>trips, good deals on food or lodging, or any other advice?

I would spend more time in India or Nepal, relatively less in
Thailand.  But if you like to spend time at the beach, those in
Thailand are the best of the three countries.  If you like mountainous
terrain and Buddhist culture, make the trip to Ladakh, geographically
part of India, but culturally part of Tibet.

SJM
From: braker@dutiws.tudelft.nl (J.G.Braker.TA-tel-3689)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Nepal, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand
Summary: Travel in India
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:52:56 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands

maren@sif.research.ptt.nl (Maren E. van) writes:
> graham@vax.wi.edu (Justin Graham) writes:
> 
> >I'm planning a trip in February, March, maybe longer thru Delhi, Agra, Benares,
> >Kathmandu, Bangkok, and Columbo, Sri Lanka, with the option to see some more 
> >of India and Thailand.  Does anyone have any tips on places to go, good side
> >trips, good deals on food or lodging, or any other advice?
> 
> >Benares, 
> The best place I have been. I traveled, in october, for one month in India 
> and Nepal, from Delhi to Jaipur, to Jodhpur, to Jaisalmer, back to 
> Jodhpur, to Udaipur, to Puskhar, to Agra, to Benares, then to Kathmandu, 
> and finally to Pokhara where I did the Ghorepani trek. 
> 
> Try to go to Jaisalmer, Puskar AND to Benares. Jaisalmer is a very quiet 
> town with a spectacular fort in the great Indian Desert. It's  a 
> medieval town, very warm and dusty but very nice. Especially the sun set 
> is spectacular. Puskhar is one of the holy cities. There are a lot of 
> weird people there, the town is very crowdy. You MUST go to Benares. 
> This is the most impressive place I have been. It is so crowdy, you will 
> find yourself in lines of rikshas, all ringing and blowing their horn. 
> The way people are cremated at the borders of the Ganges is very impressive. 
> 
Benares is crowdy but you have to like that. It is a must ... true.
But I was very happy we were forced to take an earlier flight to Kathmandu
than we had planned before. My wife and I found it the dirtiest and most 
crowded place we visited. It was the only city where we had mice and
cockroaches sharing our room.
More `try to go' advice: try to go to the south (as adviced by many people here
before). It's just one night train away from Agra. 
The people particularly are much nicer in the south, although the level of life
is lower and temperatures are higher.
Be weary of rain though, the small monsoon can make a mess out of the 
cleanest places.
We made a trip of four weeks including Madras, Mahabalipuram, Chidambaram,
Hyderabad, Aurangabad, Jhansi and the famous row Agra, Varanasi (Benares),
Kathmandu. No hectic travelling needed to cover all of this. We were very glad
we started out south and were a bit disappointed about the touristy atmosphere
from Agra onward. Hyderabad was the least touristic town; in three days we 
spotted one westerner.

****** We are working on a detailed trip report, hope to get it here by ******
****** the end of November. Keep your eyes open.                        ******

> One good advise: stay longer in India and Nepal. One month is far too short!
If only we could take that much time off... 

Hans

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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: HELP renting a car
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:19:39 GMT

van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo) writes:
>U. students are being given a Thanksgiving special of $30/day for an economy
>class.  This doesn't include the surcharge for my age.  The Montgomery-Ward

How can they get away with discriminating based on age?  I don't know
about other states, but in Massachusetts anyway, that would be illegal.
The insurance companies used to do that, but were forced to stop.


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From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: NEPAL
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:46:02 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <g88h6136.6.721380044@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
g88h6136@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GS HILL) writes: 
>I'm keen on the great outdoors, and what I mean by that is avoiding inns and 
>organised hikes. In other words, 2-man tenting in the wild far from signs of 
>civilisation. Is that possible to do in Nepal? I'm aware of the cold, but I 
>am well equipped and experienced in sleeping in cold weather! How does one 
>go about organising a proper hike? Please inform an ignorant soul. Thanks!

My understanding from a trip in 1987 is that, on many treks, you have
no choice but to go relatively wild.  The most developed trek is the
one I took from Pokhara to Ghorepani.  There were plenty of people
sleeping in tents along that route.  I understand that other treks,
particularly in Western Nepal, necessitate a lot more roughing it.

SJM
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: French train fares soar
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:37:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov11.094920.17673@aisb.ed.ac.uk> reiter@eagle.ed.ac.uk (Ehud Reiter) writes:

   In Britain, British Rail goes a lot farther in yield management than SNCF.
   The price of a return Edinburgh-London 2nd class train ticket varies from
   110 pounds (full fare) to 30 pounds (`SuperAPEX'), with occasional special
   promotions (such as the current `Boots' offer) being even cheaper.  This has
   helped BR's intercity services to break even (they neither lose nor make (much)
   money), while preserving low fares for those who can meet the conditions of
   cheap tickets.  I think this is excellent, I just wish BR had some of SNCF's
   vision in terms of laying new high-speed train lines ...

British Rail are banned from borrowing money, last I heard; and of course the
government won't give them the capital required to lay new high-speed lines
(railway spending is classed as "subsidy" while road spending is classed as
"investment"), and they can't possibly make the required money out of profits
from their train services.

They tried to get round this a decade or two ago by developing the High Speed
Train, which would have achieved TGV-like performance on lower grade track;
but it was starved of investment so they never overcame the technical
problems with it.  Blame the government, basically, for starving BR of cash.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: smtplink%edcwash_at_edc@ccmail.edc.org (edcwash at edc)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: travel advisories for kazakhstan, ukraine,uzbekistan, moldov
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:49:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

          I did not receive the actual messages, only a brief cover
          page.

          Christy Watson
          EDC/Washington