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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:34:13 GMT

In article <29EB7073.1817@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
|> 
|> Try to keep track of what physics says, and what "sci-fi" says physics
|> says.  Splitting universes are a nice idea, but (unfortunately, because
|> physicists are intrigued by the idea, too) there is NO THEORETICAL OR
|> EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE FOR IT.
 
 Jeez, I think someone replaced your Cheerios with Grouchios this morning.
 
 This group is called sf.science for a reason. A lot of what we discuss here
wouldn't fly in sci.physics, but we don't expect it to. Anyhow, I remember 
reading from respectable sources such as Halliday & Resnick and Feynman that
the many-universes interpretation of quantum indeterminance was a perfectly
valid one, it just had the problem that it was inherently impossible to prove
_or_ disprove. And the Universe we inhabit wouldn't be any different whether
or not reality split with each quantum event, so the argument was generally
regarded as not being of much use.
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From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:10:39 GMT

dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.130714.18840@onetouch.COM>, csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
>: ...[about multiple universes]...
>: Secondly, if they did exist, without a method of getting to them, they may
>: as well not exist.  If we could build a machine that could do that, we can
>: build one that can travel through time (space and time are the same "stuff")
>: and Larry Niven gave an excellent rebuttal to time travel in an essay.

Really?  Point #1:  Are you also prepared to argue that since space and
time are the same "stuff", our ability to walk across the street also
implies that we can travel through time?
         Point #2:  Are you also saying that Niven's rebuttal succeeds in
placing a very low probability on the possibility of time travel?  So much
so that you're willing to use it as a basis for your argument?

>[dswartz]> [...]
>p.s. I hardly think Larry Niven is qualified to either prove or rebut any
>theories based on QM.

You might be surprised.  IMO, Niven is pretty sharp in the science dept.
(Though I doubt his rebuttal of time travel had much to do with QM.)

As far as The Great QM Debate goes, I have trouble dealing with either
alternative, so I'm holding out for a third option.  The many-universe
argument seems horribly inefficient to me, and the half-dead-half-alive
thing is just too weird.  Anyone want to make a try at an explanation
which stays within the universe and avoids all this superposition stuff?
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:42:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr13.094209.54408
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr10.222034.375@cco.caltech.edu>, tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> For those who want to go a bit further afield than SF (which so far is
> all I've seen so far as references to BB are concerned), Brian Blessed
> does a magnificent turn as Caesar Augustus in the first five episodes
> of "I, Claudius".
> 
> Tim Lynch

And even further afield:  Mr. Blessed created the role of "Old Deuteronomy" 
in _Cats_.
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From: n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: future timelines
Summary: anyone seen an author?
Keywords: timelines
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:35:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr10.013538.9090
Organization: Western Washington University

I've been reading through a couple Doctor Who timelines, and I
particularly like the one done my James C. Armstrong, Jnr.  it seems
to be complete through Trial of a Time Lord, although the information
from that season seems a bit scant.

I'm revising it for my own use, and I'm wondering, before I go to too
much work, if anyone knows a) of an updated version -- the version I
have was posted on 17 Sep 87, and b) if anyone knows how to get hold
of the author (I can't convince the address to work).

also -- is anyone interested in seeing the LaTeX document, once it's
finished?  most of what I'm doing is editing the form, although there
are also changes to suit my tastes.  plus trying to add Sylvester
McCoy, and fill in a few other gaps.

comments?

- matt 

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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Test
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:31:12 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Testing to see if this one gets out.  RSVP if it does.


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
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From: mrmuon@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: The Master's Past
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:14:52 GMT

    I had entertained the notion of the Master being the "Meddling Monk"  
but ended up rejecting it because their characters are so totally  
different. Although personalities can change somewhat with regeneration  
the time lord/lady remains basically the same. The Master is fundamentally  
evil; his only motive is his own personal gain. The Monk was childish and  
squabbling, but basically well meaning (he wanted to give king Harold a  
chance). The Monk was not killed in The Daleks' Masterplan: the Doctor  
stole the directional unit from his TARDIS, dooming him to become as lost  
as the Doctor himself. He has not been heard of since.
    My personal speculation is that the Doctor, the Master, the Monk, and  
others made some kind of attempt to change the Time Lords' policy on  
intervention, but disagreed on motives and methods, and were exiled or  
fled.
    I doubt that the others involved had the guidance of K'Anpo (Co-Je) as  
this may have been an important factor in the Doctor's taking the  
philosophy he did (and still holds to).
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From: ajg620@huxley.anu.edu.au (Andrew J Greinke)
Subject: Re: New series of dr. who on the ABC??
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 06:37:54 GMT


I understand that the show will be returning soon, and continuing from where 
it left off: i.e. Castrvalva and onwards.

Cheers,
-- 
Andrew Greinke
Department of Commerce, Australian National University.
Andrew.Greinke@anu.edu.au      OR       ajg620@huxley.anu.edu.au
From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Summary: Yes, it's true.
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:51:04 GMT
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.

In article <1992Apr14.131708.14576@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
>
>However, remember that the Time Lord Drax called the Doctor by 
>(at least what he thought to be) his true name, which I believe
>was Feiat. I'm not sure, but it happened right after they 
>encountered one another.  If I were at home instead of at college
>I could look it up, but I left my entire Dr. Who collection at
>home (all episodes from _Robot_, Tom Baker's first, to _Survival_
>the last episode produced, excepting NIGHTMARE OF EDEN and
>THE FIVE DOCTORS).  Could someone please confirm this.

YES, it's true, you DON'T have Nightmare of Eden and the Five Doctors.

:{)

But seriously,

Not that I need to say this, as someone else has already answered your
question, and it is in the FAQ (Hullo, Jim), but the name Drax used
was Theta Sigma, But the dude was in East London prison, so he had aquired
a Cockney accent, written especially to confuse all the Doctor Who fans,
much like the Mind-bender game in 'Brain of Moebus Strip:'
	 __  __
	/_ \/__\  ---- Solon!
       || \//_//
       \_\/\__/

(Uh, oh.  I feel a new thread comming on!)
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From: tomm@gemed (Thomas Manteufel 5-4257)
Subject: A plug for Chex
Reply-To: tomm@gemed.ge.com (Thomas Manteufel 5-4257)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 12:17:31 GMT

Another Who spotting.  I was looking at the back of a box of Rice Chex I
bought about a month ago, the one with the "Waldo-ish" ski hill scene, and
spotted two of our favorite Who characters.  I won't say who they are, just
give you the clue that it's right about in the middle of the scene.  If you
really need to know, you can mail me and ask.

While seeing the characters is hardly of any earth shattering importance,
I do find it amusing that this obviously British drawing was used by an
American cereal company to advertise an American ski resort.
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From: hank@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Matthew Henry)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:07:44 GMT

kheldar@grafted.UUCP (Henry Karlson) writes:

>is_b420@kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney) writes:

>> In article <bperles.703108135@vincent1.iastate.edu> bperles@iastate.edu (Bria
>> >In <11341@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
>> >
>> 
>> 	STUFF DELETED.......
>> 
>> >	I just saw it, and she said, "I know your secret, Dr Who"
>> >She said Dr. Who as a proper name.  I heard latter that that(?) show
>> >was writen to play on the mystery of Dr. Who's history.  
>> >
>> >	Now I have a question, what is his "secret" that she talked about?
>> >(The one the Nemesis told her) A friend of mine(Hi Ramon) once said he
>> >thought that the Doc. was Rasalon, hmmmm.....
>> >

Lot of stuff DELETED

       The whole "lets put the mystery back in the series by saying
that mybe the Doctor isn't quite what we thought" was a pretty awful 
idea that I choose to ignore.  At least it was really badly written.
Personally I like the idea of an "ordinary average Time-Lord" wandering
around saving the universe.  Kind of an everyman, even though he's a
superman.  If you know what I mean.

--led hanklin
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From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: test  
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 19:25:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec



Testing.






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From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed as the Doc
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:43:10

In article <1992Apr16.190355.21191@acsu.buffalo.edu> v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak) writes:

> Didn't Colin Baker already do a raving egomaniac Doctor?

As did William Hartnell, Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker :-)
From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Companions adventures
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:28:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Target books once began publishing a line entitled "The Companions of 
Doctor Who".  Does anyone know what happened to it?

So far, I've seen two titles of it:
Turlough and the Earthlink Dilemna - just plain wierd.
Harry Sullivan's War - much better.  Some of that "Top Secret Work" the 
                       Brig referred to when the Doctor asked about Harry.

Does anyone know if there are any more of these?  

Thanks and have a nice day.


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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Question on the Master
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.205110.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsrla@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <ragnarok.702366732@cs1.bradley.edu>, ragnarok@cs1.bradley.edu (Matthew Lathrum) writes:
>>Exactly how did the Master get into that decrepid state of his?
>It's been a while, but I believe that a time lord can only regenerate
>12 times.  Unfortunatly the Master was working on 13, but needed
>to take over a body to do it.  His present body was deteriorating until
>he could.

[why would you quote such a pathetically long .sig...?]

I think that the actor playing the Master (Roger Delgarno (sp?)) died or was
ill (I think he died), so they wrote his role that way. Note that The Deadly
Assassin is season 14, and the previous Master story was in season 10 (Frontier
in Space). I haven't seen The Keeper of Traken so I can't comment on the
Master's return as Anthony Ainley (in season 18). Perhaps someone who grew up
with the show can comment on the evolution of the Master via the actor change.

From the Five Doctors (I think) it is apparent that the Master cannot
regenerate in his current form since the TL's offered him new regenerations.
I say this because I think someone has claimed that he has regenerated more
than 12 times (I'm not sure that claim is right). The blue flame gas in Planet
of Fire played a role in preventing the Master's death (but I can't remember
too much about it).

The Doctor originally regenerated because of Hartnell's health. The Master
regenerated because of his health. Romana I regenerated....(I don't know why).
I imagine it was for a reason related to the actress and not really the
show. Subsequent Doctor regenerations have been part of the show as far as
I know (other than C. Baker).

Consider if you were a Time Lord on your last regeneration...I'm pretty sure
I'd stay home in front of the TV for the rest of my last life. 8-)

Tom
From: mongoose@gawain.cif.rochester.edu (riki tiki tavi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: >>favorite doctor
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:50:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Apr10.175001.27993
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Huh?  I just saw somone say that Troughton developed the jelly baby
fetish... i thought that was Baker.... BTW, Peter Davidson was on in the BBC
for an equal amount of time (7 years) as Baker, but somehow it does not seem
the same...  Perhaps this is beacause of a switch in the length and number
of showings per week?

I'm just going by info found in JNT's book so flame him.

Mongoose
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From: amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend)
Subject: Re: Is "amigo" still "@hardy.u.washington.edu"?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:55:50 GMT

connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>The recently posted FAQ said that various files could be obtained from
>"amigo@hardy.u.washington.edu".  My system claims not to know about this
>node.  Is this address still valid, or is my system not with it?

>Please e-mail or post if you know.  E-mail is best for me.

	The systems here at the UofW have changed to a "hostless" mailing 
setup.. the docs for it said it would direct mail to the system which was
most used, so mail gets through. If you get returned mail with the host 
included, just use: amigo@u.washington.edu instead. DONT forget the
to use a subject line of server (its the mail server you're addressing).


						--> Mike Robertson
						[Dr. Who archive maintainer]

--> Also the FTP site remains the same:

	FTP to: milton.u.washington.edu
	login: anonymous

	directory: /public/drwho
From: kheldar@grafted.UUCP (Henry Karlson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:43:17 GMT
Organization: GRAFTED, Central Indiana's Usenet BBS 317-881-4369

is_b420@kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney) writes:

> In article <bperles.703108135@vincent1.iastate.edu> bperles@iastate.edu (Bria
> >In <11341@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
> >
> 
> 	STUFF DELETED.......
> 
> >	I just saw it, and she said, "I know your secret, Dr Who"
> >She said Dr. Who as a proper name.  I heard latter that that(?) show
> >was writen to play on the mystery of Dr. Who's history.  
> >
> >	Now I have a question, what is his "secret" that she talked about?
> >(The one the Nemesis told her) A friend of mine(Hi Ramon) once said he
> >thought that the Doc. was Rasalon, hmmmm.....
> >
> 
> 	Not wishing to flame anyone but........the Doctor could not possibly
> be Rassilon because Rassilon was in Time Lord History and I don't believe for
> one moment that the Time Lords travelled into their own past history.  They
> have a policy of non-interference, so they wouldn't go back and somehow I
> don't think that the Doctor would go back into his own history (unless he was
> in danger).  Besides, Rassilon happens to be sleeping (resting, whatever)
> in the Tower in the Death Zone on Gallifrey.
> 
> 	I'm not an expert on Dr.Who, I'm only saying what I've read and 
> understood of the series and novels.
> 
> 	Brendan Rooney.
> 	is_b420@kingston.ac.uk

However, take for instance:

The Doctor is Rassilon (even if refuted by Time's Crucible), that would 
probably mean that he perfected continual regeneration. I think the image
in the Five Doctors could have been a projection image. Also, the last
 thing I would like to add is the Doctor would have created many new 
identities before his life as the Doctor, which could create many 
interesting stories if he is Rassilon.


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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed (was Re: Pertwee, etc.)
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:22:47 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> 
> Brian Blessed played RobinHood's father (short role) in "RobinHood:
> Prince of Thieves" (Kevin Costner version). He played King Richard in
> the first season of "The Black Adder". Does anyone remember that really
> bad SF "B" movie he was in that I think was a version of Flash Gordon, where
> Flash is a football star? Very bad. He was king of the monkey people (yes,
> like in Oz). 
> 

He was King Vulcan in "Flash Gordon", not really a monkey people, they just 
had big wings. (and remember FG was long before Star Trek, so this 
character was the original "Vulcan")
Also he was Augustus in "I, Claudius" and has done quite a bit of 
documentary narration, including a PBS series on Mozart (or was it 
Beethoven?).
I am sure some one is at this minute working on a list of his screen 
credits, so stay tuned.

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

April showers really suck.
From: jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Monk's future, Re: The Master's Past
Keywords: Master regeneration
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:17:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Apr13.191120.14617@uwm.edu> (Daniel Ray Giese) writes:
>     Can anyone confirm whether The Meddling Monk died in an official
>     story?  If so, I would be interested in how, what role the Doctor
>     played, and also what alien forms he has encountered (has he seen
>     Daleks, does he know about them, etc).  Please respond by e-mail,
>     it is for a story.

Well, I'll post this too, since it'll stop this "The Monk is dead" rumor.

When last seen, the Doctor had just stranded the Monk on an ice planet;
he had stolen the Monk's TARDIS's directional unit to get his own TARDIS
back to the planet Kembel.  His last scene showed him shivering and vowing
revenge on the Doctor.  Presumably he survived, though Peter Butterworth
is long since dead.

Since his last appearance was in the Dalek Master Plan, he has pretty
obviously encountered the Daleks; that's the only race he's been known
to meet, though of course he knows all the races that the Time Lords have
studied.
From: jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New Adventures
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:25:48 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <WHITEHEC.92Apr8113215@panda.cs.man.ac.uk> C.J.Whitehead writes:
>Is it just me, or are the New Adventures books getting
>too far away from the traditional idea of Doctor Who?

Is it just me, or have the last twenty years of the TV series
gotten away from the "traditional idea" of Doctor Who?

Consider: the original format of the series -- an old man (who left the 
show in season 4) of completely unknown past (which they explained in
season 6 and ever since) who wanders the universe (until season 7, and
later they got back to it) in a time-machine that never goes anywhere
he wants to (until season 15), with his granddaughter (who was out after
just 52 episodes) and a couple of humans (who left 13 episodes later).

One of the beauties of the program IMHO is its ability to shift its
format radically and come up with all these new ideas.  To play with the
style of what you can do with the program.  Stick with the traditional
idea, and format quickly becomes formula.  Watch War of the Worlds --
stuck in the mud after eight episodes.  It's this experimental attitude
that has always kept Doctor Who interesting -- you have no idea what
they'll come up with next.

>Timewyrm: Revelation and Cats Cradle:Time's Crucible were
>surreal to say the least.

This is good.  No?

>  What's happened to the old type
>of plot: "Doctor lands somewhere, gets involved in events,
>sorts out events, Doctor leaves"

It's alive and well in Timewyrm: Exodus (quite well) and Timewyrm:
Apocalypse (which is a perfect example of a formula story of the kind
they should most avoid).
>
>Ok, in books you can do things not possible on TV, but does
>this mean we should suddenly allow the Tardis to die and
>have a ghost, and other stupid things like that.

Why was this "stupid"?  If you want to talk continuity, the idea that
the TARDIS has a form of consciousness was established way back in "The
Edge of Destruction", the third story.

>  If the
>current trend continues, there is a danger of totally destroying
>27 years of continuity.

Or adding to it.

Jon Blum