From: luong@fps.com (Luong Nguyen-Duy)
Subject: Re: Business
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:40:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.184854.16669@news.media.mit.edu> bui@berlioz.nsc.com writes:
>>In article <1992Jul25.005428.24900@news.media.mit.edu> bui@berlioz.nsc.com writes:
>>>>In article <1992Jul24.025144.11282@equalizer.fps.com>, luong@fps.com (Luong Nguyen-Duy) writes:
>>>>|> 
>>>>|> So here I am, bribing left and right to government people so that my business
>>>>|> can run smoothly;  so I can make my profit, have luxury life and also provide
>>>>|> employments to people.  Am I a scumbag ?  Why ?
>>>>|> Yes, I have to pay taxes to the Communist government,
>>>>|> and that keeps them alive.  But is that so bad ?  Because if I had
>>>>|> not done anything, I, my family probably would have been starved to death and
>>>>|> the people who I employ might not have a job.  I am a capitalist !!!
>>>
>>>================Substitute Chinese with Communist (an exercise) =======
>>>My country is enslaved by the Chinese. They force us to learn their ideology,
>>>speak and write their language, worship their Gods, Kings. They kill,
>>>jail and torture anyone who raise objection. We have no future, no hope.
>>>So here I am, bribing left and right to government people so that my business
>>>can run smoothly;  so I can make my profit, have luxury life and also provide
>>>employments to people.  Am I a scumbag ?  Why ?
>>>Yes, I have to pay taxes to the Chinese government,
>>>and that keeps them alive.  But is that so bad ?  Because if I had
>>>not done anything, I, my family probably would have been starved to death and
>>>the people who I employ might not have a job.  I am a capitalist !!!
>>>===============================
>>>
>>
>>:-))) :-)))  Nice trick !!
>
>There is no trick. Just the fact.
>
>>- The "anh hu`ng a'o va~i"  Le^ Lo+.i came from a rich familly (tru+o+?ng gia?).
>>I'm not sure he was a business man; but it is safe to assume that his
>>father or grandfather did.  Did Le Loi pay tax to the Chinese ?  You can bet
>>his life that he did !!  Did he or his relatives deal with the Chinese
>>government ? It is safe to assume so. What are we going to call him from
>>now on ? Scumbag Le^ Lo+.i ?
>
>The rich businessman Le^ Lo+.i had to wear "a'o va?i" ? Can you prove he was a
>businessman, that he paid tax to the Chinese, that his relatives dealed
>with the Chinese ? Let's say all of these allegations were true, it's even
>more spectacular for him to stand up, forgive his profits, his houses, lands ..
>and put his life on the line to fight for freedom, for the good of
>the people. How many businessmen will take up arms for freedom?
>Does doing business with the communists today make one another Le^ Lo+.i ?
>
>>- The Tru+ng Sisters were daughters of a La.c Vu+o+ng .  Trung Sac's
>>husband was somekind of a governemnt official himself.  My God, this familly
>>not only dealt with the enemy; they represented the enemy.
>>What are we going to call them now.  The scumbag Tru+ngs ?
>
>Who is Trung Sac ? If you are going to cite history, at least learn it first.
>Or just another "thu`ng ro^~ng ke^u to" . To live in a suppressed society
>is not a crime, but to aid in suppressing the people is a crime.
>Did Pepsi aid in the downfall of Soviet's communists?
>Definitely not. Pepsi gives a damn about human rights.
>Could Pepsi have helped sustaining the regime? Definitely yes. A worker
>employed by Pepsi means more money for another KGB agent.

Cuong, either you missed my point or you ignore it; or I did not make it
clear.  The point were :

Before Le Loi and the Trung sisters
waged the revolutions did they "aid in supresing people" ?
How are we going to determine the criteria for aiding to the supressing
of people ?  By the your simple rules that anyone who
has any dealings with the government is bad then Le Loi and
the Tru+ng sisters did just that, especially with the Tru+ng sisters.
Surely you know that this kind of simple logic does not work.

About the name, it's my bad habit of forgetting the finger to grasp the moon.
What was her name, again ... Tru+ng Nha^'t ?  I do not know much, but
I usually can apply what I know.  Lots of facts tend to clog the mind.
About Le Loi, yes he did come from a rich familly.  Check it out.

>Could Pepsi have helped sustaining the regime? Definitely yes. A worker
>employed by Pepsi means more money for another KGB agent.

A worker not employed by Pepsi could have been a starved person.  His
daughters might have been forced into prostitions for the visiting foreigners.
Think about that !!


Luong Nguyen-Duy