HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland)
Subject: Re: Vancouver area weather
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:34:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.002649.22341@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsswag@alfred.carleton.ca (The Charlatan) writes:
>
> ... So roughly a
>least$30-35 million trucking "public" snow. For those not in the Ottawa
>area, snow is not left on the side of the road. After a few days it is
>collected and dumped in "snow dumps" around the area. You dump private
>snow though for a fee.:-)
>
>Contributing snow-info
>alex
>
>P.S. What are those pole on the hydrants really for?:-)
>

Thanks for the budget info.  To be fair, the $50 000 I quoted was
only for the city of Vancouver.  The budget for the whole region,
though, is under one million, I'm sure.

I'll answer your P.S. for the benefit of those who have never seen
this (i.e Vancouverites :-) :-))

In Ottawa (and presumably in other cities which get a fair bit of snow)
fire hydrants have a metal rod attached to them.  The rod sticks up
more than a metre above the fire hydrant.  At the top is a small octagon.
The whole thing is painted a bright colour (orange as far as I
remember).  Not surprisingly, this is done so that the fire department
can find the hydrant after it snows.  (something you would appreciate
if your house was on fire!)

I seem to recall that there are also tall markers at the edge of
some curves in rural areas, so that the snowplows know where the
road is supposed to be.

Ah, but what Vancouver lacks in terms of snow (usually!) it
makes up for in black ice.

Newsgroups: can.general,can.uucp,alt.bbs.lists
From: marc@r-node.pci.on.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: Re: Public Usenets BBSes
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:33:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.054607.26893@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>In article <C1HBrs.2yu@cs.dal.ca> dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:
>>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
>>: Is it possible for someone to posta Public USEnet access BBS list for Canada?
>>
>>One I know of.
>>
>>swamp.alt.ns.ca
>>(902) 461-4773
>>In Halifax, Nova Scotia
>>
>
>Nanaimo, BC - 604-245-4366 :-)
>

Two in Toronto:  r-node -- 249-4230
		 zooid -- 322-7875

marc

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From: dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.uucp,alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Re: Public Usenets BBSes
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:02:15 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
: Is it possible for someone to posta Public USEnet access BBS list for Canada?

One I know of.

swamp.alt.ns.ca
(902) 461-4773
In Halifax, Nova Scotia

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Newsgroups: can.general
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: More Lefties on the net lately
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:15:57 GMT

With Usenet access spreading to more and more of the population,
postings to its political groups will begin to reflect more and
more the population's range of opinions.

I just love it.
-- 
    Michael MY Hui    Ottawa Ontario Canada    ~{~}
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:31:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.035711.4126@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>>
>>  There's a tough one to support.  Plants will also "object" to being killed
>>insofar as they'll react in a way to avoid it.  
>
>Evidence?
>

  Cut off a plant's source of light, and it will grow in such a way as to search
out a new one.  Hack a branch off a tre and it will cover over the exposed      
region with sap and eventually regenerate so that it will not be "infected" with
disease or insects.  Put salt in the soil, and a plant's roots will migrate 
towards a healthier part of the soil.  Technically, all these plants are        
reacting in order to save their lives.

>[...]
>>  But let me ask you this.  If the animal was not aware, would it be wrong to 
>>kill it?  If you could kill the animal in such a way that it would never know
>>ewhat was coming, in a way that caused it no pain, suddenly and painlessly,
>>would it still be wrong?  You would in no way be going against its will, because
>>it wouldn't expect to be killed, and couldn't object.  
>
>Well, this is a tough question, but this is not relevant to the treatment of
>non-human animals by humans today, in which they certainly do suffer pain
>and know what is coming.  (Since you're at UofT, you should have seen some
>of the videos SETA was showing for our animal rights awareness week.  We're
>having another one in March.  The videos include footage of slaughterhouses.
>The situation is even worse than I thought!  While I am sure there is 
>variation between individual slaughterhouses, how can you know where the meat
>you buy at the store comes from?)
>
  Well, we were talking hypothetics.  I don't deny that treatment in slaughter-
houses is bloody and disgusting.  (I've been to slaughterhouses.)  But you
didn't answer the question.    
  A hypothetical way I could kill an animal painlessly?  I sneak up behind
a deer in the woods and blow its head off.  It never expects a thing, and it
has no time to feel any pain.
I
>>  My guess is you would still think it was wrong.  In another post, you said
>>that it would be wrong to painlessly kill a person in their sleep.  And i
>>would assume you would extend this to animals.  So why is it wrong to kill them
>>if it doesn't go against their will?
>
>I think it does go against their will.  If they knew you were going to kill
>them, they would try to escape.

  And if they don't?  Are you talking about it going against hypothetical will?
If they knew it was coming, they'd try to escape.  And if they don't know
it's coming, they don't.  If I could kill them painlessly, what difference 
does it make what their reaction would be in another situation/


-- 
					-- Matt

Newsgroups: can.general
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Canada's beluga export ban
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:13:03 GMT

  Joe Bob Briggs?  What do drive-ins have to do with this?

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: umdavi22@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: submitting federal tax returns via modem
Keywords:  taxes Yuck!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:37:16 GMT

In article <1jpnhuINNm6d@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler ) writes:
>scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U) writes:
>
>>In article <PHILIP.108.0@shark.stmarys.ca> PHILIP@shark.stmarys.ca (Philip Howard (Computer Services)) writes:
>>>Is anyone here (virtually, speaking) submitting their tax return via modem? 
>>>
>
>>Perhaps since this is the first year they're doing this, they want some
>>controls on how this works.
>   .
>   .
>   .
>>   Now with the new
>>rules allowing for electronic submission of returns, perhaps this time will
>>be cut down to a couple weeks???  If this is the case, I may not bother with
>>CashBack because they take a 15% discount!
>
>   I believe this is the second year for computer filing.  I also seem to
>recall hearing that people who filed by computer last year and requested
>automatic bank deposit of their refund were able to get it very fast.
>
>				     ---Steven Leffler
>					leffler@physics.ubc.ca
>

    Yes this is the second year for computer filing, I believe that
last year some tax programs allowed you to save the return to a file,
then you had to take the disk to one of the agencies and get them to
transmit the return to Revenue Canada. I think it was called 'e-filing'
oh joy..another new 'buzzword' :)

				     --Corey Davis
                                       Corey_Davis@UmanitobA.CA

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Newsgroups: can.general
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Vancouver area weather
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:45:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: can
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca

In article <1993Jan21.204409.6776@cs.sfu.ca> jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:
>...
>The part I don't understand is that a lot of people are rejoicing at
>the return of the rain - I don't know what the percentage is, but I
>know at least a few people that feel this way.
>

Hey, I ('m from Vancouver and) like snow. In fact, during the winter
months, shoveling snow is just about the only excercise I get. :)
I'd take snow over rain any day. Rain is wet, gloomy and miserable. :(
Snow is bright, rolls off your jacket, and fun to stomp on. :)
(maybe getting old but still a kid inside!). And seeing as we're talking
Vancouver here, we have plenty of skier who love the white powder!
Ever tried skiing after a rain drizzle.... ack!

Thomas.

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Re: Communist Progressive Tax System
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University
	<C1F6qD.DBI@ecf.toronto.edu> <1993Jan25.215240.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:58:49 GMT

4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

> A graduated income tax goes against the very principal of equality.
> Here is an example of an ideal tax system (if there ever were one).
> 
> Neil earns $300 dollars, Bob earns $600 dollars. Fairness demands
> that the state not interfere with Bob's paycheque simply because he
> earns more.  Besides, that's communism.

Your simple story ignores the most basic of economic realities (and
_that's_ communism!).  Let us tax Neil and Bob at a rate of 30%,
leaving the disposable incomes of $210 for Neil and $420 for Bob.

Now ask Neil and Bob for another $10.  ``No way!'' says Neil, who
sorely needs the $10 to live comfortably.  ``Let me think about it''
says Bob, who doesn't wish to part with the $10, but can get by
without it.  Clearly, Neil values his $10 more than Bob does.  And
Bob's membership in society is clearly more financially beneficial
for him.

So there is a sense, without invoking any redistributive nonsense or
casting aspersions on Bob's relative success, in which the state may
fairly demand more of Bob than of Neil.  How much more, of course,
must be decided through the political process.  That said, however,
I doubt that many Western governments could justify their taxation
rates with this argument.

Steven Smith
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:47:48 GMT

Well I hope nobody kills black flies/other type of insects when they draw
blood from your arm. .... WHAT!!! YOU DO!!! TSK TSK TSK You should be
ashamed.

If so where is the list so I know where the cut off point is.
--
"Life is full of surprises, but never when you need one."
	- Calvin and Hobbes, by Bill Watterson.
	skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca St. John's, NF Canada
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: hwhalen@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Hugh Whalen)
Subject: re: Liberal Party Tax Policy
Organization: Faculty of Administration, University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:54:29 GMT

In article <61TVXB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>I was challenged by Melvin Klassen, Gerald Olchowy and Peter McCorquade(sp)
>about LPC tax policy.  Here it is!!
>
>1) Review the Single Tax alternative as porposed by Dennis Mills to  the
>   Liberal Platform Committee
>
>2) high priority given to th development of a simplified, more equitable
>   system
>
>3) review of the tax system with the purpose of abolishing the GST and
>redistributing the tax burden on the PRINCIPLE of fairness, equity ad ability
>to pay.
>
>There you have it.


You're not serious. Is this supposed to mean something.The above is 
completely content free.



Hugh Whalen                     | Where all men think alike, no one
Faculty of Administration       | thinks very much.
University of New Brunswick     |               - Walter Lippmann			


DISCLAIMER: Neither UNB nor I care what the other thinks.
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From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:54:24 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

 The policy in the original posting seems to amount to 1) review,
 2) develop, 3) review.  In other words, after devoting the
 considerable resources of the Opposition party to the problem
 for years, they haven't thought of a single thing to _do_, and
 the best they can come up with is a promise to spend more tax
 money and fritter away more time on studying the problem some
 more.
 
 No particular attack on the Liberals intended.  I'm pretty well
 convinced of the lack of the intestinal fortitude to take any
 meaningful action by _any_ bunch of politicians in this country.
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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy
Followup-To: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:48:51 GMT

PELTON MATTHEW ALAN (pelton@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:
>  The reason a sales tax or a GST is said no not be based on ability to pay
>is that it is a regressive rather than a progressive tax.  People with higher
>incomes pay a larger percentage of their income for income tax;  this progress-
>ive system is essential to a mildly socialist state like Canada.  

Sweden, which is considered to be far more socialist that Canada, has a
VAT of 25%; much higher than Canada's combined GST and PSTs. Indeed, just
about every industrialized country in the world, save the US, has a
VAT-like tax. (I would love to hear McLaughlin rationalize Sweden's VAT
with her own anti-GST rhetoric)

>A GST,
>however, forces everybody, regardless of income, to pay the same amount every
>time they buy something.  For poorer people, this translates to a higher 
>percentage of their income;  at the very least, disregarding the fact that 
>richer people invest far more than poorer people, it is a flat-rate tax.  A
>graduated income tax fulfills the principles of equalization much better than
>a sales tax.

But, a sales tax widens the tax base and lowers income tax rates; this is
considered to be good economics. What is needed is a balance. Whether a 7%
GST effects this balance is open to debate, but a VAT-like tax nonetheless
is a necessity for any high spending semi-socialist state like Canada.

Sweden has not too long ago also lowered its top marginal tax rate from 82%
to 50% which is what Canada's is. Thus, it would appear that as a
percentage of total revenue, Sweden's VAT brings in more than Canada's GST
+ PST.
-- 
Jim Robinson
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From: histlib@erich.triumf.ca (MARY OLIN)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Anti-Racist Rally in Vancouver
Date: 20 Jan 1993 11:14 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

This friday from 6 to 8 PM a rally will be held in front of the
Vancouver Art Gallery, Georgia St. side. It's purpose is to counter a
rally by the White Aryan Resistence, the group founded by Tom Mezger,
consisting mostly of skinheads. They've recently been leafletting our
high schools looking for recruits.

It's being organized by The Canadian Liberty Net (572-8863) and is
getting widespread support from many other groups in the city including
BC Fed, the Vancouver and District Labor Council, the Farmworkers, the
Green Party, and many others.

Come on out and help show our city and the world how much Vancouver
values its racial and ethnic harmony.

Mary Olin

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: GST Deferral
Keywords: GST, Money, economics
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:50:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.053008.19293@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
>If someone feels that it is possible to as a NET result benefit from
>deferrment of GST in the LONG run, without there being a corresponding
>NET benefit to the government, then I suggest that they show
>NUMERICALLY an example of this.
>
>I'm not absolutely certain of it, but I don't think that it's possible
>for an individual to benefit from deferring GST without the government
>also benefiting in a corresponding way.

Hint:  an RRSP is a better deal for the individual deferring
taxable income than the government.

If the GST were not deferable (through deferring consumption),
then it would effectively be a flat income tax.

Example:

Interest rate: 10%.
GST:  7%.
Lump sum:  y dollars.

Scenario 1:
     Deferral period: m years.
     At the end of m years, you hold (y * (1.1 ** m)), on
     which you pay 7%, leaving   0.93 * y * (1.1 **m).

Scenario 2:
     GST as a tax on income (deferring consumption doesn't defer tax).
     Investment period: m years.
     At the end of m years, you hold (0.93 * y) * (1.093 ** m),
     since you paid tax on the initial lump sum and then on 
     the income stream.

The NPV of the tax paid on the initial lump
sum in Scenario 2 is equal to the NPV of the total tax paid in   
Scenario 1.  The NPV of your holdings at the end of Scenario
2 is clearly less than the NPV of your holdings at the end
of Scenario 1.  Hence, you benefit from deferal, and the
government suffers.


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From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:32:20 GMT
Followup-To: can.general,talk.politics.animals
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Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
: >Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
: [...]
: >Maybe now you can explain why it's ok to painlessly kill vegatables for
: >food but it isn't ok to painlessly kill animals for food.  

: 1.  I question whether it is possible to painlessly kill animals.

Massive head trauma will ensure that, chemically, the 'entity' that
can feel pain is gone before the pain can possibly be registered
or processed as pain.   (Interestingly enough, this is how they
kill baby seals.)

: 2.  Animals are sentient.  They care whether they live or die.

This begs the question.  In order for something to care whether it
lives or dies it must be sentient.

A survival instinct is not enough to say something is sentient.
Plants 'care' whether they live or die,  look at how they grow,
reach for the sun,  heal themselves.

:     To kill them is to go against their wishes.
:     Killing non-human animals is wrong 
:     for the same reasons that killing human animals is wrong.

This breaks down if you hypothesis that animals are sentient
is wrong.

: A question for you:  do you think it is ok to painlessly kill humans?

Sometimes.

Rob.
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Newsgroups: can.general
From: lawrence@combdyn.com (Lawrence Chen)
Subject: Re: Canadian driving American-owned car in Canada -- illegal?
Keywords: stupid Canadian laws
Organization: Combustion Dynamics Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:08:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.165114.65150@ans.net> dennis@news.ans.net (Dennis Ferguson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.201227.15499@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> wayne@csri.toronto.edu (Wayne Hayes) writes:
>>I called Avis International to enquire how much a car rental would cost
>>if I planned to rent from Seattle, Washington and drive to Vancouver,
>>BC and back.  They informed me that Canada has some law stating that
>>a Canadian citizen cannot drive an American-owned car in Canada.  Has
>>anyone ever heard of this?  What is the rational for it?  Is there any
>>way around it?
>
>I think the problem isn't citizenship, it's residence.  And I'm not sure
>if there is a federal law against this, though I do know that Ontario has
>one (and BC might as well).
>
This sounds plausible....it would explain why my parent's haven't had any
problems yet.

A couple of times they've flown into Canada from Saudi Arabia, rented a car
and drove down into the States to visit my brother.  Coming back to Canada
when to go home of course.

Of course, there might be something about Saudi Arabia and car rental agencies,
my father mentioned something about going with a specific car rental agency
due to some relationship to Saudi Arabia.

My parents and my brother (and I) are all Canadian Citizens.....

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