HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Sheila Momaney <sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Bill Moore's Attitude
Reply-To: sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:00:31 GMT

GatorMail-Q                   Bill Moore's Attitude
Bill says:
|go with the flow, stand anywhere, sit anywhere,
|agree to move when the inhabitants come back, smile, and
|get hundreds of stickers from Steve Jeck then things are
|basically OK.

Hippie freak.  Bill, man, that's some attitude.  Lighten up. Make the
world safe for whiners!! Come on, what are those people supposed to
do if they can't complain?  Bill Moore violates whiners' rights!  And
suppose I don't want any of those "No Time to Hate" stickers that you
people force upon others?  I think Bill Moore and Steve Jeck are trying to
brainwash us with these stickers!  Not the whiners, pal.  They're set
in their ways.
From: jberger@novell.com (John Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Oakland 11&12 observations
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:30:43 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1992Dec16.223024.11514@colorado.edu> russellg@news.colorado.edu (Glenn Russell) writes:
>From: russellg@news.colorado.edu (Glenn Russell)
>Subject: Re: Oakland 11&12 observations

{some stuff deleted}
>And there ought to be a law about playing Man Smart and Aiko 
>on consecutive nights!

Absolutely right!  They should be required anytime we've had to go this long 
without shows! <g>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: terrapin@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Robert Zeien)
Subject: For SALE: Sun. (12/13) ticket & Beer Tasting ticket
Reply-To: terrapin@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Robert Zeien)
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:39:09 GMT


One Sun. 12/13 Oakland Coliseum ticket for sale at cost.  

Also, one ticket for the Holiday Beer Tasting at Pacific Coast 
Brewing Co. on Sun. from noon-4:00 (located at 906 Washington St. 
in downtown Oakland).  Holiday brews from most no. California
micros (on tap!) will be sampled (along with hors d'ouevres)
all for $25.  This tasting is sold out but some lucky net.head
can take my extra ticket.  Great way to spend a pre-show day!

For either or both tickets call 415-497-2750 (Robert or Kelly)
or email to terrapin@jessica.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Re:  roll away the dew. . .
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:25:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.210145.5057@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu writes:
>
>i didn't post about this earlier because i figured someone HAD to have beat
>me to it by now, but i guess no one has.  apparently, hunter is a big *history*
>buff (not religion) and franklin's tower is all about benjamin franklin and
>the way in which the liberty bell was made.  wasn't *anyone* around for this
>discussion, a few months back?  if someone has saved this thread, it might be
>helpful to the person who originally posted the question (sorry, don't remember
>who it was or i'd have said this by email).  *8)
>
See! Like I told ya. What I said.

You pranksters have created a myth that will not die. I fear for our
dreadlocked youth. 

items:
A) there is no Franklin's tower
II) Ole Ben did not make the Liberty bell
3) you're all tripping and I'm bummed 'cause nobody shared


Then again, maybe we need myths. Like santa claus. 

>peas on earth,
>gouda wheel to all. . . 

now that's what I call cheesy :-)

>
>ellen
>
>-- 
>  **************************************************************************
>
>   "sometimes the songs that we hear                ellen p. buckley 
>    
>    are just songs of our own. . . "                eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
> 
>  **************************************************************************


-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: gallo@almira.asel.udel.edu (Andy Gallo)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:33:33 GMT



In article <1992Dec15.132257@ece.arizona.edu> Wayne writes:
>Hi everyone
>Recently it seems to me that 'Northern Exposure' on CBS has a
>lot of images and themes that kind of resonate with Deadhead
>culture.  
>In this week's episode (Dec. 14), Chris the fugitive DJ is musing
>about crime and punishment and the inevitability of his extradition,
>and he refers to 'the wheel' ('You know, what goes around comes
>around').  This would seem to be (metaphysically at least) the same
>wheel that the song refers too.  Or am I stretching it?

	Its possible one of the writers is a Deadhead, but its also
possible that the Northern Exposure people are mining some of the same
philosophical material that the Dead have for years.  For example, I
know the Dead folk (Mickey and Jerry at least) are into the writings
of Joseph Cambell.  Chris on NE often quotes from Cambell in his
ramblings.  Cambell is a big disciple of Jung, who also gets lots of
NE exposure.  Metaphors like "the wheel" are so universally accepted
that there is no suprise to me that they would appear in multiple
contexts.  For example, in grade school I learned a spiritual song
where "Ezekiel saw the wheel way in the middle of the air...and the
big wheel turns by the hand of God and the little wheel turn by
grace", or something like that.  (Its been a while folks.)  
	Also, I think there is a certain "tribal" atmosphere to NE -
the indians/eskimos are obvious, but also there is a
"community/tribal" feel to the town itself.  The Dead community has
been that way too.  (Weren't some of the early love-in's, and later
Woodstock, billed as a "gathering of the tribes"?)

	Just my $0.02.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<
> Andy Gallo   | gallo@asel.udel.edu  | U. of Delaware/Applied Sci & Eng Labs <
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<
>    "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" - F.W.H.    <
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Re: fuzzboxes
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:44:43 GMT

Forrest Cook writes:

|During the recent Denver and Tempe shows I noticed that both Jerry and Bob
|sounded like they were playing through fuzz boxes (A guitar effect).  The
|fuzz sound that Jerry was using sounded a lot like the unusual sound that
|Carlos Santana was using during Vegas and Denver in 1991.  I don't remember
|ever hearing much fuzz sound from the Dead in the past, especially not that
|deep grinding sound of recent shows.  I wonder if Jerry has been talking to
|Carlos about hot new guitar effects :-)

Bob and Jerry have been using fuzz/distortion boxes for years. Actually, it's
kind of funny the number of lo-tech effects boxes they use in this day and age
(of MIDI and all). You can see Jer's effects in his rack and Bobby even has a 
couple of Ibanez pedals sitting loose on top of his rack. Terrapin is a good
example of Jerry's use of distortion. I haven't noticed lately if he still
does this, but he used to layer on and off the distortion for the end part 
(after the vocals finish). He would go through one round of the theme and then
step on a footswitch and there would be more edge on his distortion and he
would build it up over a couple of cycles. Then as it was winding down he would
turn off the effects until he got back to a clean signal (or thereabouts).

Booby's use of distortion is another matter altogether though. :-)

-Jeff Lester
From: julianjd@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: setlist 12/11
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:00:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I couldn't check the net for a couple days and I missed
the setlist for 12/11.  Can someone re-post it please?
Thanks.

Jak

It left a smoking crater....
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tjdalton@athena.mit.edu (Transitive NightFall of Diamonds)
Subject: Re: Sound at MeNichols Shows in Denver Dec2-3
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:03:19 GMT

haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock) writes:

>the bitching come in?  Sound was not just fine for me where I was sitting
>and, as you so descriptively put it, "I was not cooked out of my mind..."
>either.  My ears hear pretty good too; the sound wasn't there where I was
>sitting compared to other shows and other decibel levels.  

Exactly.  The db's were missing.
I have used the same setup for numerous shows.  I almost 
allways run at '9' on the dial, to peek +0dB.
For the first night I was running at '10' and barely squeeking
out -6 to -3 dB.  The second night I was right back at a '9'

Why was the LTGTR in tempe composed of sounds of 1Khz and below ???
It was mud out there in the audience....

	Tim

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: 12/11 Oakland show set list and review
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:37:11 GMT

In article <2687@cronos.metaphor.com> pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.221811.4638@leland.Stanford.EDU>, dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>|> I think we all would. My guess is that because of Jerry's illness
>|> and uncertain future, the band was not willing to rent out the
>|> coliseum for New Year's eve as far in advance as they would have
>|> had to. 
>
>I think they are just plain tired of playing on NYE and without Bill 
>Graham around to beg them to play they had a chance to skip it. NYE
>really was Bill's party that the Dead would play at, rather than a
>Dead concert that fell on NYE.
>

So whats Branford Marsallis doing NYE maybe he will invite them to his
party???

Just a thought that came to me, that seemed nice:-) :-) :-)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/ | \<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: schmid@ide.com (Stephen Schmid)
Subject: Oakland 11&12 observations
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:02:10 GMT

Unfortunately I didn't attend the Sunday show (the setlist looks great),
but I did go Friday and Saturday.   A few observations:

The sound was excellent both nights all the way through.  No first-song
glitches.  We were sitting on the risers on the Phil-side, back around
the soundboard.

Friday, 12/10:
--------------
I thought the first set overall was good, not great, with the highlights
for me being Wang Dang Doodle, which was  much smoother than other versions 
I've heard) and Cassidy, which got pretty spacey for the first set.

Second set highlight was definitely Corinna, which was the first one I've
seen.  It's got an excellent groove, and plenty of room for jamming.  The
'Eyes' which preceeded it was also excellent.  Space was very interesting,
being much 'quieter' than usual, and the rear speakers were used to excellent
effect as sounds were 'moved around' the hall quite a bit.  The most unusual
feature was a soft yet distinct blood-curdling "scream" which was inserted
a few times.  It draw a laugh from the crowd each time.  A couple of my
friends even thought it was a real person screaming, though the vast majority
of us were sure it was generated.  Some didn't like it.  It sure would be
appropriate for a Halloween show!
The rest of the second set was predicatable, although well-played.


Saturday, 12/11:
----------------
The first set was excellent,
with a very energetic Jack Straw and Bertha, and an outstanding Bird Song.
Vince also got some excellent solo playing in Little Red Rooster (not one
of my faves), as he did on Friday in other songs as well.
The second set was a wrenching experience.  Picasso Moon was an unusual and
fine choice for an opener, leading into to a Crazy Fingers which, as usual,
finished with a beautiful drifting jam, one of those elegant spaces the Dead
create so well.  Unfortunately, Bobby (I assume) stomped all over it with
'Man Smart, Women Smarter', which, while being a fine version of the tune,
totally changed and destroyed the mood.  Jerry was not to be deterred, though,
as he went out of MSWS into Dark Star!!!  Quite an inconcgruous transition.
However, it was a beautiful Dark Star, (what there was of it), tastefully
done, leading into an extended (though not that interesting) jam in which 
Jerry left the stage, and Phil, Bob, and Vince stayed out.  Space again
was very entertaining, but upon coming out of space, instead of finishing
Dark Star or something equally appropriate, they (Bob?) instead went into
'Miracle'.  Quite a disappointment for me.  When they followed it up with
the painfully slow 'Standing on the Moon', I knew the show was over.  They
went through the motions with the requisite 'Saturday Night'.  However,
the 'Rain' encore was very nice, and recouped some of the damage of the
post-space second set.

Wish I could've been there Sunday for the Here Comes Sunshine!

From: chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:27:13 GMT
Subject: Denver Tape Grovel
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead


Greetings,

I'd really like to get a copy of the recent Denver shows, especially
12/2 (for Rain).

I've got a few tapes I can trade, or can do blanks and a nice tie-dye.

			-- Chan Benson
			HP Fort Collins
			chan@fc.hp.com
			(303) 229-3982

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Playing Reprise
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:21:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.013317.18132@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> slogan@mta.ca writes:

>      On the side I have never heared When i paint my Masterpiece (????)
>  Whats it like. I going to tape a show with it within the week if my pals
>back home have got one.

A "Touch Of Grey" is ok I'd say, but why does it feel like more than a
touch at times?


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/ | \<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: When is a genius not a genius?
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:02:26 GMT

In article <75675@apple.apple.COM> eroth@Apple.COM (Rico) writes:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Is anybody else tired of hearing over and over what a genius
>Healy is and also going to shows and hearing obvious technical
>screwups on a regular basis?  (The screwups I can deal with,
>it's the excessive praise that gets tiresome.)

I've been to plenty-o-shows at McNichols, and I don't recall
hearing a better mix than at a Dead show.  That's not evidence that
Healy's a genius, merely evidence that he's not a fuck-up.  Further, 
anybody with the most basic understanding of sound re-inforcement knows
basketball arenas suck big-time for sound.  Anyone who can get better 
than down-right shitty sound IN A B-BALL ARENA is doing pretty good.

---------------
>>The reason the sound isn't great at the beginning of a show
>>is that when he does initial sound checks, THERE ARE NO
>>PEOPLE IN THE STADIUM.  If you don't understand you sound
>>works, you can't appreciate how acoustically different a hall
>>is when there are people inside -- and it is also affected by
>>the number of people.

>Ah, the old if-you-knew-anything-about-the-subject-you-were-
>talking-about-you-wouldn't-say-such-stupid-things attack.  I
>use it all the time myself ;-).

Still, sometimes it actually applies.

---------------
>>Healy has real-time sound analyzers going constantly that let
>>him tune the sound to almost perfection -- usually by the
>>third song.  And he has to constantly modify as temperature
>>and humidity change -- both affect the sound.

A real-time sound analyzer isn't going to tell you jack-shit about
the sound unless you blast a test tone at full volume into a quiet room.  
I don't recall that being done during either show at McNichols or anywhere.
Further, spectrum analyzer's don't help much with the main problem:
extremely shitty reverb/echo characteristics of the hall.  Anybody
here know how to *remove* unwanted reverb/echo?  Hint: it can't be done.
Lots of cash is spent on sound engineering for concert halls *before*
they decide where to put the walls and what they'll be made out of.  
I doubt they spent a dime on McNichols.  That's not Healy's fault.

On the other hand, if Vince's vocal are just plain missing, that
could only be Healy's fault.

-Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Subject: Re: "9/20" or Good Dead Dates
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.184707.2266@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell) writes:
>In article <RuaHVB1w165w@c-cat.UUCP> polaris@c-cat.UUCP (Paul Harris) writes:
>>amato@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey M. Amato) writes:
>>
>>;-) Regarding a previous post of "hot dates", i.e. a day of the year 
>>;-) with consistently great shows, 
>
>I don't have Deadbase handy, but 12-12 seems to come to mind.
>
>12/12/69  Thelma Theatre 
>12/12/90  McNichols Arena, Denver
>12/12/90  Oakland Coliseum

	Hey yang....don't forget 12/12/73 Omni, with the evil soundcheck
	that includes Pride of Cucamonga, Rip It Up, and UNBROKEN CHAIN!!!

	The show itself had some hot sh*t too...the kind China --> Jazz
	Jam --> Rider....

	Yangety



Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: SETLIST 92.12.12
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:48:56 GMT



Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena, 12 Dec 1992

I: Jack Straw, Bertha, Lil' Red Rooster, Friend Of The Devil,
   Desolation Row, Bird Song (1:01)

II: Picasso Moon, Crazy Fingers, Women R Smarter, Dark Star,
    Garcia-less Jam->Drums/Space->Dark Star Jam-> Miracle->
    Standing On The Moon-> One More Saturday Night (1:23)

E: Rain

The Jack Straw was the reason I have to go toall 5 of these
shows!  I'd have hated to miss it.  Likewise with the SOTM!
Standard Tape Tree Offer--if you'll run it, I'll send the seed.

Steve-TOO

"my old buddy you're moving much too slow..."

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Ray_Bazzano@dgc.ceo.dg.com
Subject: Personal to Peter Lavalle
Reply-To: Ray_Bazzano@dgc.ceo.dg.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:07:29 GMT

Message:
I need your home address for the 12/31/85 video.             


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Derek Davies <ddavies@lotus.com>
Subject: Boston this W/E
Reply-To: ddavies@lotus.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:28:08 GMT


	To the guy inquiring about what to do in Boston this weekend:

	check out The Kind!

	Friday the 18th and Saturday the 19th at Great Scott's in Allston, MA.
	We play original improvisational rock and roll and covers by The Dead,
	The Allman Bros., The Radiators, Bob Dylan and more.  Great Scott's
	is at the corner of Commonwealth Ave (major road) and Harvard Ave in
	Allston, and is accessible by the Green line (segment B) of the MBTA.
	Both shows start at 9:30PM and go until 1:30AM.  $4.00 cover charge.
	21+ with ID.

	I am affliated with the band ... but trust me ;-)

	As for shopping, I don't know ... there's millions of places!  You
	might try Downtown Crossing.  Get to the Red line of the MBTA and
	get off at the Downtown Crossing stop.

	Take care and I hope to see you at Great Scott's (say hi if you come!)
	Derek



Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: j-germuska@nwu.edu (Joe Germuska)
Subject: Re: Cassidy - exegesis?
Originator: germuska@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:37:16 GMT

In <62838@mimsy.umd.edu> pataky@cs.umd.edu (Bill Pataky) writes:


>This is one of those topics that I'm sure has been kicked around a few
>times before, but nevertheless, I'm still curious.

>I'm curious what different folks think Cassidy is about.  Here are the
>lyrics:

While certainly not the only possible interpretation, David Gans' _Playin'
in the Band_ offers at least one story, and there are other sources that
follow this up (I think somewhere in _One More Saturday night_)

Anyway, the gist is that Bobby was working out the music while (?) Eileen
Law was either pregnant with, or maybe even giving birth to her daughter,
named Cassidy.  The original lyrics that Hunter came up with described a
poker game, which Eileen felt was not "it."  So she "sent him back" to try
again, resulting in one of my personal favorite lyrics.  

So then, the first verse refers to the birth of Cassidy Law.  The he, in
"speaks his name," and "there he goes and now here she starts" refers to
Neal Cassady, who of course, was in with the whole Grateful Dead family.
So basically the song is about the cycle of life and death.  Hunter says
the details far more beautifully than I could paraphrase, so I'll let them
stand on their own.

Peace,
	Joe  
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Cassidy

>I have seen where the wolf has slept by the silver stream.
>I can tell by the mark he left you were in his dream.
>Ah, child of countless trees. 
>Ah, child of boundless seas.
>What you are, what you're meant to be
>Speaks his name, though you were born to me, 
>Born to me,
>Cassidy.

>Lost now on the country miles in his Cadillac.
>I can tell by the way you smile he's rolling back.
>Come wash the nighttime clean,
>Come grow this scorched ground green,
>Blow the horn, tap the tambourine
>Close the gap of the dark years in between
>You and me, 
>Cassidy.

>Quick beats in an icy heart.
>Catch-colt draws a coffin cart.
>There he goes now,  here she starts:  
>Hear her cry.
>Flight of the seabirds, scattered like lost words
>Wheel to the storm and fly.

>Faring thee well now.
>Let your life proceed by its own design.
>Nothing to tell now.  
>Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine
>(Repeat)



>	Bill Pataky 		       
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>	domain:	pataky@cs.umd.edu		     voice: 301.858.2324
>	path: 	..!uunet!mimsy!pataky		     fax:   301.858.4499
>==============================================================================
-- 
|   Joe Germuska   |   j-germuska@nwu.edu   |   (708) 869-0354   |

-- 
|   Joe Germuska   |   j-germuska@nwu.edu   |   (708) 869-0354   |
From: Lance Encell <lencell@unmc.edu>
Subject: need help identifying setlist with date
Reply-To: lencell@unmc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:08:35 GMT

Can someone help me I.D. a setlist?  This was a show in 1966 at the Avalon
Ballroom in San Francisco:

I Know You Rider, It Hurts Me Too, It's All Over Now Baby Blue, Dancing
In the Street, In The Midnight Hour.

I have this on a live album labelled, "Vintage Dead."

Any responses on this matter would be appreciated.  Thanks,

Lance
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (Kent Stewart)
Subject: Re: Chapter 23 (no dead content)
Keywords: WOW!
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:03:48 GMT

>>
>> [great stuff deleted]
>>
>*wow*.  incredible article.
>dave
>


It's an excerpt from one of the Douglas Adams books. Hitchhiker's
Guide To The Galaxy, I believe.