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From: watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:31:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

It is correct (as everyone has been pointing out) that Chewie and Han had
some time together for Chewie to explain the plan to Han, but there is
another reason for Han to realize that Lando is on his side:

As Han pointed out in Empire, they were good friends going way back.  He
fully realized that Lando was not so much "selling him out" as being
bullied into an increasingly bad deal by Vader.  Recall the scene in
ESB when Lando goes to the cell where Han, Leia, Chewie and Threepio bits
are being held:  Han slugs Lando yes, but points out afterward that Lando
ALLOWED that to happen.

Allowing a friend to be taken by the Empire when you already have a gun
to your head is not exactly "selling out".

mike

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From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:43:16 GMT

In article <Brp0yD.I1K@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@hertz.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>>
>The imperials are waiting in normal space for a sign of the ship leaving warp
>speed.  If the ship is 100 light years away at the time, the imperial ship
>will have to wait 100 years (earth standard) for the sign to arrive.  
 (stuff deleted)>
>Imperial FTL communications are rudimentary at best.


Ummm...that imperial Probe 'Droid sure did a number to them on Hoth.  
And don't forget that during the Original ST series, the Enterprise
had unceasing problems with communication.  "Subspace radio" messages
took weeks to get to the nearest star base.
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:45:09 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 8891@cs.unca.edu, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Thought of one more:
>
>The Rebel in the tower on Yavin -- great uniform, too. 
>(Looke dlike the Death Squad Commander :^))
>
>Scott


Was that like the Rebel soldier on the blockade runner at the beginning
of ANH?

I took a Death Star Commander and glued an extra bit on the back of his
helmet and repainted him to make a rebel of this type. Looked quite good
but I regreted it soon after as I couldn't find a replacement DSC.

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 4-LOM and other bounty hunters
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:38:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul26.213838.11
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>What is IG-88's story? Phlutdroid? Where's he from?

>From what I read in various sources, including the "Art of ESB" (I Think)
that IG-88 series droids were created during the Clone Wars as some sort of
weapons droids, primarily used as "terminators"...

I cannot remember EXACTLY where I read this, but that is pretty close

Dave
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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: Just how much of SW did Lucas make up as he went along??????
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:11:15 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.163425.4238@ericsson.se>
      etllnfr@babelfish.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher) writes:

>I always saw the Vader/Luke relationship as being a little contrived,
>it always looked like an afterthought or something designed to shock an
>audience.

In "From Star Wars to Jedi," Lucas says he intended Vader to be Luke's
father from the start, but when it came time to write ESB he wasn't sure
if he should stick with that story. In the end, of course, he did.

-- 
          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: stupid/cool
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:21:32 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1181@niktow.canisius.edu>, by setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead):
> The stupid thing I thought of while reading the stuff about action figures.
> Did anybody else think that most of the commercials for those were pretty
> lame?

Commecials? I never saw commercials.

gee, what a bummer.


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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: Biggs.....
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 21:20:00 GMT


In a previous article, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:

>I have a Star Wars book, in which scenes from the movie are interspersed
>with text...
>...Luke's old buddy Biggs is in it, in a still from a scene with the
>two talking on Tatooine...

>This has always bothered me -- did they cut that scene? Why?
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

<moans> Oh no...no no no... PLEASE don't ask that question in here! :)

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          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
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From: elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (DANIEL)
Subject: 4-LOM
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:40:00 GMT


	I was looking through my SW collection and came across a figure
  called 4-LOM. Who was he? He never appeared in the movie.

	dan 
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From: -h@lambada.oit.unc.edu (/bbs/mnemon/usr/c/e/catherine/.rnhead)
Subject: explosions in space
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:58:59 GMT

Well, I'd meant this to include the other article by someone
I think named PMetcalf, but the question invovled explosions in space.
Why are they there?  The answer is simple.  Filmmaking license.  The
audience couldn't empathize with a silent explosion, therefore
the have noise.  Never mind that there is very little light in
space either...certainly not enough to light up the ships we see in all of
the Star Wars movies.

--Catherine
From: gt7219a@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Michael Lawyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE (not very long)
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:11:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul27.043013.15334@udel.edu> lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>	One small correction: TJ Goldstein was a _Ms._, not a Mr.-- still is,
>in fact. But I may as well speak of her in the past tense, since she's not
>coming back to this newsgroup.

Terribly sorry about the Mr. thing.  I am also sorry that she will
no longer be posting.  She had some interesitng things to say. 
>
>	People, this argument has gone way off the topic of _Star Wars_. I
>realize it started out as a discussion about the legality of posting the
>script, but it doesn't have much to do with the newsgroup's name now. Y'all,
>let's shut up before this gets more out of hand, shall we?

If you read my post, I said the same damn thing.  I even managed to mention
and discuss Star Wars in the post as well.  And this is the last post I
write on the subject (I hope). >

the manatee





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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:34:27 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ADDED scene?


     I know I'm tempting fate here, but...

     Does anybody else think that the bit where ol' Darth stabilizes his
spinning fighter at the end of ANH and zooms off was ADDED at some point after
the initial release(s)? I recall being surprised to see it. But I'm not one to
blindly trust 15 year old "memories". Anybody know for sure?

                                                  -Robb Timlin
                                                   rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is YODA)
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:52:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.213709.12302@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>
>
>To summarize the discussion so far:
>
>Did the Falcon limp to Bespin on a "spare tire hyperdrive"?
>
>Yes, because the RPG says the ship should have one, no because
>if Han had one, being chased by the Empire was the time to use it.
>
>
>
>
>Now.  Why didn't Han use it?  I can think of any number of reasons:
>
>1)  To use the spare tire analogy, if you were, say, a bank robber
>running from the police and you got a flat, would you pull over,
>get out, and change it?
>
>2)  Installation time could have been prohibitive at that moment,
>but after the Imperials left, they had time to deal with it.
>
>
>3)  (My favorite.)  He had one, but it didn't generally work any
>better than the main unit.  Why should it?  They way he worked
>that baby it's a wonder ANY of the thing still worked.
>
>
>4)  He ran out of money one day and sold it for fuel.
>
>--
>             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
>----------------   "If you want something done right,  -----------------
>       kill Baldric before you start."  --  Edmund Blackadder III


           If Han had you the 'backup' hyperdrive while being pursued bu the
         Empire then it would have been possible for the Empire to plot Han's
         course and capture the Falcon when the backup stopped working.
           Therefore Han knew he would have to make the Empire believe that
           the falcon disappear before he could use the hyperdrive, but as we
           know Boba Fett was the wiser.

       Jabber " ......(translated) know your just bantha fodder hahahah.."

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From: s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Damien Binding)
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:31:36 GMT

In article <l7e7lsINNmpa@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.220757.3528@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>
>>Where did the white version of 3PO appear in the movies?
>>I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....
>
>Somewhere in the Hoth base. I can't say because I don't know exactly where.
>There is a Topps card with the real 3PO standing next to the white 3PO.

Even though l am not a Star Wars freak l saw STAR WARS the other day on TV and
saw the white C3PO on space ship being attacked by Vader. As 3PO and R2D2 walk
down the corridor in a panic the white droid walks behind them and after a
while takes a left through a door. This scene is right at the very start of
Star Wars when the Leia's ship is being attacked.
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Speederbike Ride On Toy
Date: 27 Jul 1992 16:49:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Does anyone have one or know of anyone who has one?  I REALLY want one.
If you don't know what it is, it's a little Speederbike that little
kids sit on and you pedal it around the place.

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com (Scott Drellishak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:09:39
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems
	<22JUL92151932@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu>
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In-reply-to: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu's message of 22 Jul 92 20:19:32 GMT

In article <5050@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes...
>A month or two at sublight speed is NOT going to get you between
>star systems.
> 
>The explanation I see is that Lucas and company made the classic
>blunder that so many other movie and TV producers have made. They
>really have no grasp at how big space is, and how far it really
>is between star systems, so that you can't easily drop in on 
>a system "next door" since next door, even for near by star system,
>is a couple of light years and thus at least a couple of years
>away at sub-light speeds.
> 
>--
>Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer

Well, either Lucas made the blunder, or perhaps it was Leigh Brackett or
Lawrence "Larry" Kasden.  I vote for Kasden, since Brackett is dead.  De
mortuis nil nisi bonum.

Scott
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:37:18 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <DMB.92Jul27080238@srl02.cacs.usl.edu> dmb@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (David M. Brumley) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.012839.5227@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes: 
>   I have a question.  In ROTJ, why does Han immediately have any desire to
>   help out Lando when he's about to fall into the Sarlacc?  As I recall, the
>   last thing Solo would remember about Lando is that he sold them out to the
>   Empire (Unless I've forgotten something in between...).  If that's the case
>   I would think Solo would just blast him.  Any comments?
>
>Easy.  Han learns about Lando being a good-guy when Han and Chewie are
>imprisoned together in the dungeons beneath the palace.
>
>Also, on the way to the Pit, Luke tells Han to "just stick close to Chewie
>and Lando.  I've taken care of everything."  It's obvious at this
>point that Han has been brought up to speed with regard to Lando.
>
Yeah; if you watch carefully, Han doesn't find out about Lando "on
screen". I was disturbed by that "stick close" line, up until reading
this post...

On the other hand, Han hasn't necessarily regained his full eyesight,
so he COULD have been trying to waste Lando. :)

			-Dave

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From: bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: Detroit Institue of Criminal Arts and Sciences
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:30:31 GMT

Governor Tarkin never got a figure made of him.  This blows,
they make figures of most of the inconsequetial characters,
but not him.

They never had a figure of the standard rebel guys either.


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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Lightsabers and songs.
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:41:13 GMT

			2 things: according to the SW RPG, the Jedi construct
their lightsabers as the last portion of their training. I would assume,then,
that since Luke had one in the movie that facing his worst fear (becoming like
his father) substituted nicely. (Side note to the RPGers: if your set on making
them readily available, if memory serves me right the lightsaber is purchasable
in extremely rare markets for 800 credits. But any sensible or playable gm
doesn't just make things like that available to anyone.)
			And the other is that the reason the songs from SW and
RotJ sounds different is that you're only hearing bits and pieces of them,
interspersed with dialogue and action. The songs feel different because they
play through the whole thing without interruption (because it'd be jarring to
put on the album only those portions of the song).
			Finally, if there's a list moderator I'd like to talk
to her/him a.s.a.p. =) 

						-Chris 
				                 ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu

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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: where a Jedi gets his lightsaber?
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:07:42 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

In Return of the Jedi when Luke surrenders to Vader on Endor, 
Vader exaines Luke's new lightsaber and comments,"I see 
you've constructed a new lightsaber like your father's... your 
trainingis complete..."  or something like that.
 
I sort of get the impression from this that after a Jedi 
completes his training he builds himself his own lightsaber.  
I was just wondering if there's any such custom refered to in
the role-playing game?

I know, there are holes in this idea -- Luke lost his saber on 
Bespin and *had* to construct a new one, and (according to 
Yoda) Luke' isn't actually a Jedi until he faces Vader -- I 
was just wondering if it's mentioned anywhre else?

Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
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From: mel@Armstrong.EDU (Mel F. Buchheit)
Subject: Re: LAPTI NEK LYRICS
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:17:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.000027.5769@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is YODA) writes:
>
>       I am hoping that someone can clarify the original lyrics ( lyrics in
>       english ). During the show 'Makings of RotJ' they sing Lapti nek.
>       Is it true that Lapti nek means 'Just working out'. Can anyone else
>       remember this.
>                                                 Hope your like the lyrics
>                                                    Templar

I very clearly remember hearing from that show, (And reading from another
source later) that Lapti Nek was translated "Fancy Man", but I have no
idea what the rest of the translation is. Guess I'd better go digging
for that source :)

Mel

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From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:36:28 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <BrnMFM.GI2@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>
>About the imperials seeing through cloaking devices, if you can warp space to
>travel faster than light, warping space to spoof mass detectors is trivial.  


I don't buy it.  During one ST movie, Kirk and Spock (as I recall) VISUALLY
saw a slight shift in the stars, allowing them to anticipate a decloaking ship
and blast it.  This is high tech?

Maybe a better match would be between the Empire and the OLD Federation of 
Kirk, Spock, etc.  They certainly had their problems with things that
we have now solved, at would seem to be the case in some of their 
computer and medical technology.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:27:35 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: C3PO's math skills

Why is it that in SW:ANH, C-3PO is never portrayed as such a bothering
probablility projector, and at the beginning of TESB, he claims R2-D2
has calculated what Han and Luke's chances of survival were, but after
that he's Mr. Calculator.  I know, I know..."if he can have an artificial
intelligence, he can sure as hell do probablilities on that kind".  It
still bugs me...

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:03:31 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ben's Age

In article <1992Jul28.021604.26383@udel.edu>, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
says:
>
>In article <3813@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tmkst6@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek)
>writes:
>
>        You do mean "really *good*," don't you? Not just proficient, but
>non-evil. Dark Horse says that the Emperor wears out his body super-fast
>as a result of his mucking about with the Dark Side, after all. The idea
>seems to be that serving as a channel for so much malign power is like
>being a pipeline of acid-- bad for the people around you; bad for you too.

Extrapolating from this, maybe using the good side prolongs your life as
an added bonus?  Sounds very reasonable to me now...

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From: nab4574@zeus.tamu.edu (Neil Burleson)
Subject: More good/cool lines (was Re: Jedi=stupid part II)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:01:00 GMT

I like to rag on Leia (Fisher) for her cheesy lines in most of the
movies (especially RotJ), but one line that I thought was really 
well done was when the MF is piggy-backing the Star Destroyer and
Han says

"If they follow Imperial procedure they'll dump their garbage before
jumping to hyperspace and we'll just float away"

"With the rest of the garbage."

Great line!


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