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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:18:00 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Film stars in commercials BEFORE they became famous

  Ridley Scott cut his teeth on commercials, especially Pepsi.  Errol Morris,
of Thin Blue Line fame, once made a nice little 60 second spot for an
insurance company.
  Sven Nykvist the cinematographer has made a couple, and I used to know a
bunch of others.  There are also a bunch of animation studios that put out
both commercial and cinematic work.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:52:12 -0400
From:         Steve Portigal <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Dr. Kafka!
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To add to the wowsers, consider Hammett, and you mentioned Barton Fink
which makes me think of Miller's Crossing which is heavily based on
The Glass Key by Hammett.  (I'm almost positive that's who wrote it,
but if I'm wrong then this whole post can get ignored)

Steve
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:38:27 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Python Directors
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Terry Gilliam
	Adventures of Baron Munchausen
	Brazil
	The Fisher King
	Jabberwocky
	Monty Python and the Holy Grail
	Time Bandits

Terry Jones
	Erik the Viking
	Life of Brian
	Monty Python's the Meaning of Life
	Personal Services

---
-scott
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:00:46 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Bernadette; Madness

REPLY TO 04/16/92 14:37 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Bernadette Peters

Although I wouldn't go out of my way to see Bernadette Peters in a
movie (or anything else for that matter -- I hated SUNDAY IN THE PARK
WITH GEORGE -- Mandy Patinkin is also not high on my list of
must-sees) I did enjoy her in IMPROMPTU and really really liked her in
SLAVES OF NEW YORK (a Merchant/Ivory production by the way).  The
whole world hated this movie but I found it very amusing in its
quirky way.

As to why the human psyche is fascinated by monsters, there are
probably reams written on this.  Has anyone caught Jonathan Miller's
new series, MADNESS, on PBS?  I saw the first episode the other night
(I think there are five more to go) and it touches on this very topic.
Get out your VCRs -- this is a series you might want to keep for
posterity.

Jennifer Porro


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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:35:00 EDT
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Killer Shrews

>        Okay, so THE KILLER SHREWS has giant shrews that look
>a lot like dogs.  But what an acting performance from James
>Best in a pre-Rosco Coltrane phase of his acting career!  See
>this film in a double feature with NIGHT OF THE LEPUS.
>
>Ray Hamel
>University of Wisconsin

Ah, but I saw it in a triple feature at a drive-in with The War of the
Collossal Beast and The Giant Gila Monster.  Big rabbits can't
hold a candle to double exposures of poisonous lizards invading a
sock-hop. Or a 50 foot bald-headed man getting stuck with a 10
foot hypodermic needle!   What quality entertainment.


Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:24:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Vegematics

The envelope please:

Actually, the Vegematic spiel was almost poetic:

It chops, cuts, slices, dices, peels and pares;
Won't chip, crack, peel or rust.
Isn't that amazing?
Millions sold for $9.98,
Now only $7.77.
Isn't that amazing???
But wait, there's more:

(etc., etc.)


JT
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:32:21 EDT
From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject: RE: TV show cancellations & Herman's head

Herman's Head proves that you'll never go wrong appealling to the LCD. After
all these are probably the same people who bought Veg-o-matics.

--Stephen

"Exellent"--Bill and Ted

(some people my say case in point, but not me)
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:10:32 EDT
From:         Zak <ST102359@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Edward II

Edward II opened in New York City a few weeks back to fairly positive
reviews.  I haven't seen the movie, only the previews...so i can't help
the person who was asking about it...
BUT, what i want to know is...
the previews featured a short appearance by Annie (*gasp!*) Lennox!!
does anyone know if she's appearing in the movie?

The movie is based on Marlowe's play of the same name, and the previews
features some homoerotic scenes that turned my straight friend off
and led to us going to watch _Lawnmower Man_ instead...*HUUUGE MISTAKE*..
*sigh*...oh well...


-Zak
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:13:00 EDT
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Civil War films

>
>I disagree ... I thought Glory was an excellent film and it got me
>interested in
>the Civil War... that's enough for me to make it good!!
>To each their own opinion I guess!!

I would like to know what was so bad about GLORY. I thought it was just
fine, also.

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:48:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Kafka!

Cindy and Jennifer:  I hang on to posts regarding movies i haven't seen
but intend to; scanning over my folder for this list, i find posts from
you folks regarding Kafka from January . . . well, better late than never,
i suppose . . .

i saw Kafka this evening and was very, very pleasantly surprised . . . Cindy,
your post was right on the money.  Irons *is* remarkable; he's really
establishing quite a body of work, is he not?  Alec Guiness is a neat surprise,
and the *entire cast* is admirable; even Teresa Russell, who i'll probably
never quite trust again after the frighteningly awful *Whore*, manages not to
embarass herself.  And that cinematography!!!!  Was this aspect of the film
nominated?  Damn well should have won an award; that grainy black and white
perfectly conjures up early 20th century photos of Kafka and his world . . .

It's funny, none of the reviews i saw pointed out what an interesting take this
is on the complex *relationship* between Kafka and pop culture; that is,
contemporary culture (yes, even the damnable *SOTL*) is unthinkable without
Kafka, and yet he stands as a kind of reproach to us, a contradiction which
this film captures brilliantly.  the ian holm character sums it all up when
he reproaches Kafka for being at the forefront of modernism, yet looking down]
upon the modernization of social life (precisely the irresolvable paradox which
make *In the Penal Colony* so endlessly disturbing).  in this regard, i love
the following exchange:
Kafka (gazing at a bound victim with part of his brain exposed): well, you'll
never capture the human soul . . .
Dr. Murnau (Holm):  depends which end of the lens you're on, doesn't it?

it's too bad that there hasn't been more discussion of this one on the list;
it's been a triumphant year for the Kafkaesque in film, what with *Kafka*,
*Barton Fink*, and *Naked Lunch* gracing the screen . . .

Thanks again, Cindy . . . i wish i could have praised your insight earlier . . .
MMcDonald
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:54:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@WISCMACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Upcoming video releases

April 1   DECEIVED
          BILLY BATHGATE
          CURLY SUE
April 2   HOMEBOYS
          SURVIVAL ZONE
April 7   FRANKENWEENIE
          101 DALMATIANS
April 8   NECESSARY ROUGHNESS
          RICOCHET
          BLACK ROBE
April 9   BASKET CASE 3
          SHOUT
          SOLDIER'S TALE
April 15  LIEBESTRAUM
          HEAVEN IS A PLAYGROUND
          DOUBLE TROUBLE
          THE LAST BOY SCOUT
          STRICTLY BUSINESS
          LONELY HEARTS
          RESURRECTED
          LOOK WHOS TALKING TOO
April 22  TAKING OF BEVERLY HILLS
          MY OWN PRIVATE IDAHO
          IN THE HEAT OF PASSION
          LITTLE MAN TATE
April 23  29TH STREET
          MCBAIN
          THE PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS
April 29  SIDE BY SIDE
          FRANKIE AND JOHNNY
          INTIMATE STRANGER
          PASTIME
          LATE FOR DINNER
April 30  ULTRAVIOLET
May 6     LIES OF THE TWINS
          AT PLAY IN THE FIELDS OF THE LORD
          HOUSE PARTY 2
May 7     THE COMMITMENTS
          ANASTASIA: THE MYSTERY OF ANNA  [tv]
May 13    PROM NIGHT IV: DELIVER US FROM EVIL
          HIGHLANDER 2: THE QUICKENING
May 14    FOXFIRE  [tv]
          SCANNERS III: THE TAKEOVER
          THE BUTCHER'S WIFE
May 20    EXPOSURE
          MEETING VENUS
          CITY OF HOPE
May 28    FOR THE BOYS
          ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT?
May 29    THE INCIDENT
June 4    CAPE FEAR
June 17   DOLLY DEAREST
          DECEMBER
          THE BALLAD OF THE SAD CAFE
          THE CAINE MUTINY COURT-MARTIAL
June 18   THE ADDAMS FAMILY
          BAD CHANNELS
          KUFFS
          DEAD IN THE WATER
June 25   HEARTS OF DARKNESS
July 1    THE MAN IN THE MOON

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:37:32 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: film content
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From: Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD%OREGON.bitnet@AUVM.AMERICAN.edu>
>
>And frankly, it
>worries me a little that in all the hoopla over SOTL, *its* ultimately
>exploitative story line (just my opinion, of course) somehow gets completely
>passed over, is made almost exempt from discussion.

I agree.  And, to go off on a slight tangent, the same was true of _Pretty
Woman_, which I found exploitative, offensive, and if you think that _The
Last Boy Scout_ needs a major suspension of disbelief, check this out.

>Thus, people relish
>(pun intended) Lecteur's gastronomic remarks, enshrining them forever in
>the shadowy treasure halls of pop culture even as we speak, without
>necessarily considering what we are saying about *ourselves* in reverencing
>such a dark, i would say *merely* dark story (agent what's her name's heroism
>notwithstanding).

More extremely, we have in recent years seen Freddy Krueger rise in
popularity.  Although he is repeatedly killed, he always returns, and
has become the `hero' of the films.  The audience _like_ Freddy, despite
what he does.  Just as they adore Hannibal and remember _SotL_ because
of _him_ (even Michael couldn't remember the name of Foster's character!),
even though he is on screen for a fraction of the running time.  And yet,
the real-life courage of a real man, fighting (in his own way) for what
he believes in -- truth, justice and the American way -- however misguided
he may (or may not) have been, is passed over.

Go figure.
		Liam.
		====-
                                   * "I still say that it is
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *    an unacceptable risk."
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England* "It is not unacceptable
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:44:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Emerson on JFK

>From:         Tim Emerson <TEMER@WRLCVM.BITNET>

>Stone (like Reagan and Bush) lied to the American people in order to
>promote his own personal views.  He convinced millions of Americans that
>his version was the "truth".  Oliver Stone should be a Republican.

You are so right Tim, he doesn't belong in the party of JFK(see 1960
Illinois results), LBJ (see JFK, or Tet Offensive), Gary Hart, or the new
Patron Saint: Bill "I never inhaled" Clinton (not to mention Jim Wright,
Foley or the hundreds of check kiters!)
Tim I'm sorry, but if Jefferson Smith (See Capra's Mr. Smith Goes to
Washington) was anything, he was Republican, but at the same time, so was
the senior senator and the governor.  I guess both parties have both kinds,
but if I were you I would be reluctant to argue percentages, as I haven't
even mentioned the rest of the Kennedy's!

Dan
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Subject: Re: VERTIGO -- contains major spoilers!
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:10:26 GMT
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In article <CINEMA-L%92041412212607@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET writes:
> 
> 2.  What on earth led Hitchcock to tell us so early in the film
> that the woman that JS saw on the street, who resembled the wife
> so much, was in fact a lookalike who had impersonated the wife?
> Why didn't he keep us in suspense until the critical moment when
> she forgot and wore Carlotta's pin?  We think it would have been a
> better film if he hadn't let us in on that so soon.  Can anyone
> suggest a reason we're overlooking why H. did it this way?
> 
> Jim Thompson

	I think you will find that Hitchcock often had a slightly different
view of suspense than other filmmakers.  The suspense here is wondering if
JS will ever figure it out.  Many times, the audience would be in on something
while the characters are oblivious.  The old examople is two men palying
cards.  Underneath the table is a bomb. We, the audience, see it but the 
two men continue to joke and play.  If we did not know about the bomb until
it detonated, it would not be suspense, but surprise!
	It's been a long time since I've seen Vertigo, so I hope I haven't
mangled the story.  But maybe this will help.  

		Later,
			Ron


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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:50:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Medieval Films

Just a little nitpicking here:

Cyrano is, strictly speaking, not a medieval matter.
Takes place in 17th century France, which is not middle
ages (as far as France is concerned); and the "feeling"
is not really medieval either.

My -.01$. I said it was nitpicking. There.

Christian.

PS: Oh, and I mean the recent Cyrano, with Depardieu in
the title role.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:56:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Quiz

OK, Jim at ice9, if you memorize old commercials:

1.  What six things does a Vegamatic do;
2.  What four things won't it do;
3.  For how much were how many sold; and,
4.  Now how much is it only?

Jim T.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:51:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Older films

Does anyone know of a list which includes discussion of older/classic
films?  (Cinema-L seems to concentrate on recent works.)  If not,
would there be enough interest to warrant starting one???
Jim Thomson
Thompson@ucrvms
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:44:00 EST
From:         Aramis Miranda <MIRANDA@FORDMULC.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Meryl Streep

The movies she won oscars for were Sophie's Chioce and the Deer Hunter.

Aramis
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:02:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Video sources

OK, I'll assemble a list of video sources and post it on this list.
I would appreciate hearing from anyone with sources to suggest,
including:  phone, address, how to get a catalog, comments.

Jim Thompson
Thompson@ucrvms or @ucrac1.ucr.edu
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:28:00 EST
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Gilliam Viking movie

> The Terry Giliam movie about Viking is _Erik the Viking_ with Tim Robbins as
> the title character.  The movie was unique.  I think (not sure) that Eric Idl
> was in it also.  I hope this answers your Monty Python question.

Actually, I think it was directed by the other Terry, Terry Jones.  The
title comes from one of Jones' books, The Saga (?) of Erik the Viking.
But other than that, there is no connection between the book and the
film.  I saw a published copy of the screenplay and it had a note in the
back about the book and how Jones hoped that the film would boost sales.

By the way, for a good and refreshingly funny read check out some of
Terry Jones' children's books.  Fairy Tales is available and a good deal
of fun.  He also wrote a serious study of The Canterbury Tales that I
haven't read.

Best,
Peter

>                                           Eduardo
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:09:48 EDT
From:         Luis Eduardo Romo <ST201714@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: woman who won oscar?

The woman in _The Fisher King_, Mercedes Ruehl(Spelling?) did win the Best
Supporting Actress Oscar.  She was not in Total Recal.  You may recall her from
_Married To The Mob_ though, with Mathew Modine and Dean Stockwell(?).


                                  That's All He Wrote,

                                                      Eduardo
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:19:00 EDT
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Subject:      age of innocence
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Sorry that I don't have much to report; I never was near the set and from
the way my wife describes it; it was a bunch of highly motivated people
doing their jobs and not a lot og glamore and excitement; she did keep
long hours, which is why we never had much time to talk about the daily
activities and beyond the details I've given I have little to add; I guess
I could pump Ruth for details, but now she's involved with another show
(a play) and keeping long hours and full time dad, cook, laundry, enter-
tainment for a five year old girl and eight year old boy, soccer coach,
and librarian (I add this last clause to demonstrate the lack of glamore
in show business).
The ScreenPlay is by Scorsese and Jay Cox (whom I'v never heard of, or
have I?)
Troy New York was selected because it looks like old (1870's) New York.
Many of the streets which were modified for the film are going to keep
the old time modifications.
Hum, I gotta go, more later.
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From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
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I found Glory to be be dull, full of cliches, and the score was horrible, but
hey that just my opinion.  I did think that the actors did a good job with
the limited material they had to work with.
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From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      medfilm . . . not

Ah, all versions of *Cyrano* must be exempted from our category, for
the story is set, i believe, in the 17th or 18th century.

Pedantically, yet necessarily,
MM
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From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      ps to Reversal

Jennifer, would you agree that Silver, much like Irons himself not so long
ago, is quietly amassing an impressive body of work?  I think that Silver
is a mighty fine actor, probably capable of greatness in the right role . . .

MM
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Subject:      Re: Sam K.

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: Re: Sam K.

> Dare I ask, who is Sam Kinnison

Sam Kinnison, for those who don't know, is a comedian/actor.  The first time
I saw him was on the Rodney Dangerfield Young Comedian Special.  This was
extreemly funny.  He had his own unique style of SCREAMING!  One routine he
did which was hilarious was about married people.  He said that when a guy
gets married, it's almost like he has to hand over his private parts to his
wife.  Then Sam prentended he was a married guy talking to his friend on the
phone, and was asking his wife for premission to have his penis back.  He
said "Honey, we're going bowling tonight, the guys are all bringing theirs"
then he looked to his wife for approval and said to this friend "She says no
fucking way!" (maybe you had to be there :-))

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From:         "W.A. (Bill) Yardy" <YARDY@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: question

On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:23:15 EDT W. Stephen Marquardt said:
>Let me try this again. --Stephen "New to listserv's" Marquardt
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>While I realise that most commercials don't fall under the category of
>"Cinema Ver-ih-tay", we had someone ask what brand of detergent was being
>advertised in the spot that depicts a guy picking up his clothes from a
>Chinese laundromat. When the guy asks how they get his clothes so white, the
>owner says that it's an ancient Chinese secret.  After the customer leaves, the
>owner's wife shows the detergent and says, "Ancient Chinese secret, huh?"
>
>One opinion says it was Calgon as in "Calgon, take me away" Calgon.  Others say
>that it was for tide.  Others have said it was for bleach and not soap.  Any
>definitive guesses out there?
>
>Thanks,
>Stephen "There's no money riding on this" Marquardt

"Ancient Chinese secret" was, indeed, Calgon ... the 'water softener'.
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