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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:00:32 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Something old, something new
              10 Sep 1992 20:52:37 EDT from <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:52:37 EDT Graham Toal said:

>> pretty hollow.  Courts tend to presume that where a legislature
>> uses a term that has a fixed common law meaning, it "intended"
>> the word to have that meaning, even if the legislature said
>> nothing about what it intended or didn't intend.
>
>The morally correct thing to do is, if any of those who drafted the
>legislation are still alive, to ask them what they meant by it when
>they wrote it.

Many years ago, I and some friends decided that what the
legal system needed was a good dose of programming knowledge.  Using
the rules and experience developed by both theoretical and applied
computer science, it should be possible to write unambiguous laws
that could be interpreted by a disinterested (:-)) "justice machine" in
a way fair to all.  Subsequently more formal work has been done on
this topic by people much more qualified than I.  But we all rather
missed the point: much of the time the legislature does not *wish*
to write clear and unambiguous laws.

Much legislation is the result of political haggling and compromise,
in which the participants do not agree on what they mean by certain
phrasing.  Often, the partisans of one view or another agree to a wording
because they hope that the courts will interpret it their way and the
other side will thus be fooled.  And it is often useful to be able
to go and make different speeches to different groups back home based
on the ambiguous wording.

There is certainly room for programming skill in contracts, but I
don't hold out much hope for it in legislation.

Tony H.
(Who wonders how many people think "quiet enjoyment" in their lease
 has something to do with noisy neighbours)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: RICHH: PLOOK!
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	>--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
	>                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
	>                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
	>                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu


	     AAAUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHH!  THERE ARE TWO OF THEM NOW!!!!!

	     Carol

That's because some asshole indiscriminately xposted some random tripe
to three usenet groups and us.  Now we'll get the followups for months.
Bloody rich, that's what I call it.

G
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re:grandma's chicken soup
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>>>Chicken soup (parve, for vegetarians), anyone?

>>	Oh yes...  I'll have a double.  And if you could slip an extra knaidl
>>	in there, I wouldn't complain.

>Neal, would you prefer floaters or sinkers?

>--bayla

	Floaters, please.  My mother didn't realize until years later that
	she'd been making gnocchi all that time.  I've heard about, but never
	actually experienced, those leaden knaidlach of Borscht Belt comedy.

[how many gleanings can you find in this message?]
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:30:21 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (59)
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              Sep 14, 92 11:46 am

> .
> C.O.D. means <Collect On Delivery> and is used by the United
> States Postal Service....  the sender gets her money from the
> post office after the post office has gotten the money from the
> recipient of the mail.
....
> .
> --ggs  (wondering if any wordslers are quick enough to have caught
>   his attempt at political correctness....)
>

Yea, yea, yea...It is still so rare it STANDS OUT. But bribery of this
sort will go a long way with me...

(of course one can be perverse and stand it on its head: it can be
argued that it's a sexist statement because it implies that it's women
who buy things through the mail, most mail-order having a tacky
reputation...can't win, can ya...)
Agnes
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Devil Was Beating His Wife Today...
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> Does anyone else know/use this particular saying (besides my mother, who
> taught it to me)?  Any variations?  Does anyone have any idea where this
> saying came from?

I thought everybody used it.  I've used it all my life.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:33:58 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family Tree
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> >
> > Bernard, I don't know about you, but I can hardly wait for my little blue
> > Miata to arrive...I'm sure Uncle Giggles would want me to have one.
> > ndh
>
> It's arriving in the mail right *after* the Niemann-Marcus cookies.
> --ggs  (c.o.d....)
         ^^^^^^
Yes, I guess you *are* really one of my relatives....:-)
ndh
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:24:37 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Aspiration

>How many morphemes do you think there are in "armadillo" (for an English
>speaker)?  What about "huckleberry"?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Ask an English speaker, I say. I think it is one and two respectively.

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:11:24 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Okay, the list has been a little slow
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Or maybe it's that I don't want to work today.  Anyway.  I thought I
would include some tidbits from the JAL newsletter.

1) You can now fly nonstop from Atlanta to Tokyo--Ms. Harwell-Foster,
your reasons for not visiting Akio are getting pretty weak!

2) Ausbrook and Macphil, take note!  There's gonna be a big exhibit
of Japanese narrative painting from mid-November through mid-January.
Oh, and you have to go see it twice, because they will rotate the
exhibit 1/2 way through.  Hey, if you're lucky there'll be a scroll
of frolicking rabbits or frogs--those are cute.

3) For those of you who are worried about reaching 40 w/out having
climbed Mt. Everest:  you may have to put it off for a while; they
just raised the cost of a permit to $50,000.

I hope this brightens your day!

Karen
Just Being Angelic.
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: RICHH: PLOOK!
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:16:18 GMT



>> No no no no no no no no no no noooooooo

>Not to worry, Bayla.  I'll make sure the usenet connection doesn't get
>zapped.
>                        o/.\____/
>         -- Bernard      \______|
>                         / \  / \


--Many thanx, Bernard.  I should have remembered that I can always count on
you to keep Natalie's priorities in order.

--bayla
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:07:45 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Leaving... ?

My already tenuous connection with McGill University is becoming even
more so, and there is a significant chance that my ID will go away in the
very near future.  Just in case this happens without further warning,
I will say au revoir now.  I will be able to read a very slow version
of bit.listserv.words-l through a local commercial BBS, but it just
isn't the same.

If mail here bounces, I can be reached as Tony.Harminc@canrem.com .

It's been good...

Tony H.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:48:13 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      RE: This is crazy
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:41:00 EST, "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
 wrote:
> I hope that the bad wheather blew by you.
                               ~~~~~~~~~~~

Isn't this a cue for a song?

G
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:04:55 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Brother Barbara
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On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:01:07 EDT, "Judith E. Schrier" <primate@brownvm.brown.edu>
 wrote:
> You had to ask.
>
> I heard an interesting paper at the meeting in Strasbourg.
> There is a lot of new research going on with bonobos (pygmy
> chimpanzees) these days, with a lot of controversy about the
> meaning of what is learned.

Not the only controvery... they were mentioned on soc.bi as
having <interesting> love-lifes... the perfect answer to the
fundie loonies who say that various lifestyles are 'unnatural'
because they 'don't happen in the animal kingdom'...

(I usually point out that animals don't have religion eithr, but it never
seems to sway them...)

G
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      A new superhero

Since Superman is being cryptonized by his publisher, I thought
I'd introduce a new superhero from another list:  Rapeman -->


>>BTW, rape is either worst purnishable or second worst crime in
>>Russia (I'm not considering treason ..., just what is call crime in
>>common language).
>
>...and rapeman has a very big (more than 90%) chances to be
>heavily sexually abused in the jail. Usually, these criminals
>(mostly, who raped girls <18 years old, but not only) are
>turned to "petukhov" (the cock (bird :) in Russian). I'll explain shortly
>what it is: in each "zona" (Russian jail) there are about 1 "petukh"
>on 30 men; this means that he got raped about 10-20 times
>dayly. Everybody who is known as a homosexual is obligatory
>to be "petukh" (ie, to allow himself to be raped by anyone),
>but since there are not enough homosexuals in the "zona", people
>who got their terms for rape have a good chance to become ones.
>I am not a sensationalist: there is a serie of essays by
>Leonid Soloviev in the Neva magazine on the same theme (1988?).

-Mka
Busily stuffing stopcocks in all available openings.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:17:41 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Zen

>>With a bow and your hands together.
>
>Only if you want to look like a fool.

I resent this remark!

tushar
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:39:43 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Amazon T-shirt News
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> > Of the colors described, here's my ranking:
> >
> > 1. Columbia blue
> > 2. raspberry
> > 3. good purple
> > 4. green green
> >    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
> Or maybe
>  1.  raspberry
>  2.  Columbia blue
>  3.  good purple
> 42.  green green
> ndh

And then again, maybe
  1. raspberry
  2. Columbia blue
  3. green green  (uh, *what* was this about Graham and abh's shorts?)
  4. better be a *real* good purple
Doris
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:48:34 GMT
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(Gilbert Smith) writes:
>--ggs is experiencing a memory lapse....  the effects of approaching
>*five-five* I think....  it will be forthcoming in the <foreseeable>
>future.....
>--- (well, I never, my *own* name just slipped my mind....)

It isn't necessarily age.

At the ripe old age of sixteen I was in a travel agency with
my parents as they were buying tickets.  The agent asked me
for me age and I realized I had absolutely no idea.  I started
looking around the office for a calendar so I could perform the
appropriate subtraction.  After I spent a good twenty seconds
stammering and looking at everything in the office except the
agent my parents kindly answered for me.  I'm sure the travel
agent thought I had the intellect of a turnip.

A few years later I was home from college for winter break.
I was, as usual, spending much of my time reading.  Several times
during one afternoon my mother came by to ask me if I was hungry
yet and what I thought about going to a particular restaurant for
lunch.  I kept providing noncommittal answers in the hopes that my
parents would go on their own and leave me to raid the fridge.
Eventually my mother got upset and started complaining about how
I should be more cooperative with her plans for my birthday lunch.
I had no idea it was my birthday (December 30).

My life is filled with these embarrassments.  Fortunately I don't
remember most of them.

--karsten

(Still looking at calendars for his age, and occasionally checking
 that slip of paper in his wallet for his name and phone number)
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Subject:      Mystery

Hi,

Just left over thought on my mind.  There was a terrible accident on I-75
just south of Tampa this weekend.  Two cars (one a Cadillac with just
driver, 40 something - other a Suzuki Sidekick, with 5 people, all between
19 - 30) hit head-on at combined speed of 130+ MPH.  All were killed
instantly, except one male in Suzuki, in coma, and may not survive.
The road, at that area, is 5 lanes wide!  There was no indication of the
Cadillac (which was on wrong side of Interstate) crossing over from
medium, and incrediably, seems no one saw the accident.  I think all of
the Suzuki people were related, three from same family.  Terrible
accident......very difficult to understand how it happened ...no rain,
no fog, no bad weather, no indication (yet) of drinking.... I got to
get to work.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Subject:      Re: A taxonomy of humor

Greetings,

Come now, Natalie, you had no way to know that until recently it was
conventional usage to use "man" to mean "mankind," which is to say
"humankind?"  Granted, you weren't around in 1926, but this usage and
similar usages, such as the use of the masculine pronouns (he, him) to
refer to "anyone" (e.g., "he who hesitates is lost") were the rule rather
than the exception until recent gender-political changes started leading
to greater care.  I wasn't around in 1926 either (having been born in
1953), but these changes have taken place during my lifetime.  Perhaps
you just haven't been paying attention, or didn't take any classes in
English grammar and composition until recently?  As for not knowing
what Fowler intended and having "no way to know that Fowler was including
women when he said men," I suggest that any standard dictionary of the
English language could clear this up for you.

Marty
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366"
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Subject:      Source needed.

" If you give a person a fish he eats for a day. If you teach a
how to fish he eats forver"

I am not sure the quote is exactly correct, but it is close.

Source anybody?


later

alec
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:48:03 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: family
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  By
> the way, Auntie Doris, with all this *new car* talk flying around the
> family (the magnificent Miata, and tc's Jaguar), I've been
> thinking...perhaps dear old dad should be sharing with his sisters
> and his darling daughter?! (insert endearing smile to melt daddy's
> heart here)  He has never yet bought me a car...
>
> Your loving niece,
>  Jill
>    (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)

By all means, Jill, your silver haired daddy should certainly share his
good fortune with his daughter.  Between you and me, you might manage to
get tc/sw to put in a good word for you; she did a good job of getting a
jaguar pretty fast.  If you get a car out of him, that'll make me happy.
As his sister, I don't imagine I stand much of a chance for a car, but
he might have something smaller that he could share with me - perhaps
something new for my coffee table.

BTW where *is* your papa?

Love,
 Auntie Doris
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gossiping about Natalie and prescriptivism
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>   I guess Natalie has gone away by now, so it's safe to talk about
> her.

But she's back!  Not online for long, though.  Gotta grade test papers
from linguistics class and straighten out any grahamesque ideas they
may be entertaining.

> I think Natalie was bitten by a very nasty prescriptivist as a
> child, and that this is the reason for her present attitude.

I hate to admit this, but I was a prescriptivist until I was in my
30s and discovered linguistics.  What I really hate is that I had been
teaching English since age 22 with no idea what language was really about.

> - well this last year anyway - that Natalie is a delightful female
> person - I think "woman" is the technical term - with a very shrewd
> head, which I have never seen, on her shoulders, and this in spite of

Oooooh. I like it, I like it!  But mka would use the technical term "man"
since it was ok to do so in 1926.

Ruth:  Thanks for the wonderful picture of giggles talking to Rita, with
Nico and dog in foreground and Alec in background.

abh:  I stopped in same dirty restroom in Sulligent, AL, a few hours ago,
hoping to find your letter in -Time-.  But the old copies of -Time- were
gone, replaced by scattered sections of a Tuscaloosa newspaper.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hopefully
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> Because it's used incorrectly so often. Now, people often say "hopefully
> you will like the explanation."

Sort of like "Clearly, you will like the explanation."

>  It does not serve as a substitute for "I hope."

It doesn't?  Then why have I heard sentences like "Hopefully, it will
rain tomorrow."  Sure sounds to me like a substitute for "I hope."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date: 10 Sep 92 02:28:42 GMT
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<<Was the ioka still running? The Loaf and Ladle still extant?...>>

The Ioka seemed always to have a Disney movie playing--that or Grease.
I always thought of it as the Tapioca Theater. The Loaf and Ladle/ Sure--
isn't it still there? I haven't been back for a while.

<<So what kind of stuff did you do there?>>

--Broke up with my crazy Poet girlfriend. Wrote most of _Off in
Zimbabwe_, my short story collection. Devoted my afternoons to
writing job application letters (one of which got me my present
job at Salem State). I used to walk the dog in the Academy woods.
I spent a lot of time with the athletic trainer, my knee in the
whirlpool bath. I was one of the "available" Bennett Fellows and
had student friends and visited classes. We lived in a huge house
just behind the new Athletic complex. I got along well with Fred
Tremallo--back before he got absorbed by computers. Also, Charlie
Pratt. Mainly I was friends with the new, young faculty who
weren't kept on (Candice Stover).
   --Rod
PS: PEA is Phillips Exeter, not to be confused with PA, Phillips
Academy in Andover.
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family Tree
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> Hey, am I this "dgtr" thing in the family tree representation?  And if I
> have an Uncle Giggles, where's *my* blue Miata?
>
> --Susan

Not until I get to bounce that little <grand-niece> on my .....
Uh.. oh.... can't say that.
I am IRTN.
--ggs (<one>'s favorite uncle...)
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