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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: DS9: waht about this?
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:23:41 EST

In article <16B549CE4.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg) writes:
 
>why did the cardassians leave their station to the federation to discover
>all their technology and secrets?  how come they didn't blow it up or
>just move it, like they did in that lousy premiere?  why would they just
>leave it behind?  is there a logical reason for this, or is it just the usual
>ST half assed realism within the context of their own created universe?
>
>                                                               ggreg
>
>
What about the possiblity that it was one of the conditions of a peace treaty
between the Cadassians and the Bajorans (and maybe the Federation).  This
happens lots of times in treaty negotiations.  That would explain why the
Cardassians trashed it before they left.
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: What happened to Ruthie?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:11:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I don't know how much USA cut from "Thou Shalt Not...", so does anyone know
exactly what happened to Al's third wife Ruthie?  Al mentions that he "didn't
realize how important family was until Ruthie was gone." (note not divorced,
left, seperated, etc.).  Did they divorce or did something else happen?  I've
heard mention that she died, but I want to know if this is canon.

Keep leaping...

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From: obie@hirama.hiram.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Higlander - "Family Tree"
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:24:33 GMT
Organization: Hiram College
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In article <43385@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
writes:
> Someone mentioned earlier that this ep and not "An Innocent Man" was
> slated to run as #2.  Anyone know why the change in schedule?  Was
> production on "Family Tree" delayed, thereby preventing it from
> fitting in the schedule?
	Someone posted that as having come from an article in "Starlog". But
all the "Starlog" article did was briefly discuss a few story plots in the
order of "The Gathering", "Family Tree", and "Road Not Taken". You could
deduce that "Family Tree" was the second in the series, but this wasn't
stated explicitly.
	Moreover, in the next issue of "Starlog", Adrian Paul said he shot
the second episode and had to learn a two page monologue when he was still
trying to find his character. Neither "An Innocent Man" nor "Family Tree"
contains any speech of that length. I wonder if we still haven't seen the
planned second episode. There certainly seems to be a gap between "The
Gathering" and any of the other broadcast episodes. No where do we see
Duncan invite Ritchie to move in with he and Tessa. Remembering the look on
Richie's face at the end of "The Gathering", I would think some mighty
persuading would be needed!
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From: srvr1.engin.umich.edu (William Johnson)
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 19:23:36 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv

In article <16B50E5A8.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>,
GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg) wrote:
> 
> what are ya afraid of criticism or something?  some of us just demand quality
> sf, not puerile juvenile space opera.  i mean, why are there no real sf writers
> on these ST shows?  why don't they spend some of those millions of dollars on
> some decent writers?  i hear that BABYLON 5 has harlan ellison as script
> editor, and william gibson among others as writers.  now, theres a concept,
> using SF writers  to write SF tv!  hello star trek, hello!?!?
> and no, i'm not comparing STNG to the old one.  just judging it on it's own
> merits, which is quite unfair to it, i know....
>                                                ggreg
> All right ggreg.  I have been thinking that if STTNG got Peter David
> to perhaps even just be a consultant and maybe write a few scripts,
> the show would be much better.  Gasp shudder, they might even think
> about getting someone to stop them from making such stupid science 
> blunders.  Such as in "To the Nth Degree" where Barkley suggested
> that they scan along the EM band.  Good suggestion, where else would
> one start.
                                          William
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: A Tale of Two Sweeties
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:33:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.022522.10600@grebyn.com>, billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:
>> 
>> This posting contains spoilers for the 1/5 episode of Quantum Leap.
>> 
>> The gangsters were almost a relief.  ALMOST.  Sheesh, I thought the main
>> plot was done to death; this subplot got exhumed just for this episode.
>> As for the "gambling for personal gain" bit, I guess they forgot about
>> "The Right Hand of God."  Or the fact that it wasn't personal.  (Oh, it
>> was a joke?  I dare anybody to tell me they laughed aloud.  *That* would
>> be funny.)

>I agree.  What personal gain?  It's helping the leapee, isn't it?
>Also, wouldn't it be useful to set up a permanent source of funding for the
>project?


Not to mention that the personal gain reasoning we were introduced to way back
in "Starcrossed" has been shot to hell anyway with nary a mention of the
infamous "Committee" objecting.  Okay, so they were vocal when Sam was trying
to help Donna, but what about when he saved Tom?  Tell me *that's* not
personal gain.  Besides, even if Sam Beckett was greedy enough to try and
profit from his knowledge of the future, it isn't like he could take his
winnings with him (alright, so he could stash it until the future, but that
would be risky).  Sam wanted to know the results of the race to save Marty's
life so there was no reason Al shouldn't have told him sooner.

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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: DS9 - What else?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:11:31 GMT

In article <Fk29wB3w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>huh?  Aw, c'mon guys!"  So we traded in Wesley and got Jake and Julian.
>I'm beginning to dislike this deal the more I see what was included in 
>the package.


	I'll admit that I find the little rugrat to be irritating, but
	well, for all of the other glop on the show (the first episode,
	IMHO, was better than the premiere if only because it didn't
	have any real glaring stupidities that made me groan) it wasn't
	a bad second episode.  I almost have faith that it'll get better.

	As for the doctor--I kind of like him.  At least he isn't some
	RikerClone (tm) or WesleyPod (tm) like some others.



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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Keywords: bbbaaaaadddd?  Think again.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:25:47 GMT

In article <17879@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>Seems that the biggest complaint of the DS9-bashers is about the aliens who
>don't perceive linear time.  How dare an SF TV show come up with an unusual
>idea, and not explain it to their satisfaction!


	Unusual?  Original?  Try, stupid.  Try, "Why don't they try consulting
	witha freshman physics major before they dump this crap on TV.


>"Ah!" say the self-appointed paradox-spotters.  "If they didn't follow linear
>time, then how come they didn't know everything that was ever going to happen
>through the episode, etcetera etcetera?"
>
>Well, here's a thought for you.  The aliens DID follow time of a sort.
>Maybe time's arrow doesn't point in the same direction for them, or it's
>some weird other dimension involved as well, but they do have an order to
>their existance.  (A little thought shows you that they have to -- otherwise,
>that entire sequence in the wormhole would have been over in a nothingth of
>a second.)


	Typical ST fan reasoning.. "Well maybe.. well, we could have all
	these other concepts that violate physics.. and that would explain
	the doozy.. see...


>The point of the show was not that the alien(s) didn't follow time -- it's
>that they didn't UNDERSTAND it.  They had no concept of it, just like we
>had no concept of gravity before old Isaac got bonked by an apple.


	Yeah, right.  Perhaps on YOUR planet.  I think we humans have been
	quite aware of the concept of gravity for as long as we've been 
	human.  Look, drop it and it falls.  Do you think this was some sort
	of great discovery?

	I can see yourversion of Newton now.  "If youdrop it, it falls!
	if you drop itg, it falls!  Yeehaw!"  (townspeople: "what a loser")


>Yet.  But the idea of Time is not completely outside their grasp.  Which
>explains how they picked it up from Sisko; if they really weren't time-bound,
>Sisko's explanations would be as incomprehensible as those of a being from
>inside a singularity trying to explain their physical laws to us.


	This was the whole point of the criticism.  The episode was
	inconsistent with what they were claiming.


>You know, one of the things I like about DS9 so far is that it actually got
>me to think about that.  Hardly any SF TV shows -- not even TNG -- ever get
>me to ponder like "Emissary" did.


	Uh-huh.  Methinks you should apply to be a ST writer.  People who
	haven't thought before are *exactly* what they seem to be looking
	for.



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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: (WS) Open letter to M. Straczinski
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:22:10 GMT

tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:

>Open letter to Michael J Straczinski on _Murder She 
>Wrote_.
> 
>I wondered if you had any plans for an episode of _Murder 
>She Wrote_ to be set in a SF convention. 
...
>A story revolving around a crime 
>set in a hotel where a convention is being held will be 
>interesting both to fans and the general viewing audience. 

May I strongly recommend Sharyn McCrumb's book _Bimbos_Of_The_Death_Sun_
which covers exactly such a subject.  _Zombies_Of_The_Gene_Pool_, the
sequel, also takes place within SF fandom (and uses IRC to find out a
vital piece of information!)
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From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: A Tale of Two Sweeties
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:25:22 GMT


This posting contains spoilers for the 1/5 episode of Quantum Leap.

First, a disclaimer.  WRC in Washington, DC cut out for about 5 minutes.
I missed everything from the sunrise (right after the 8:30 break) to the
"get away from the window" quote.




















Yuk, yuk, yuk, yuk.  That was so funny, I forgot to laugh.

The first half hour was excruciating.  That shtick has been done to death,
and this time it wasn't even done all that well.  Tack on four disfunctional
kids (the one that could see Al was OK while Stockwell was on screen, but
the writers forgot about her as soon as he left) and two stereotypically
clueless wives, and I was tempted to turn off the TV when channel 4 went out.

The gangsters were almost a relief.  ALMOST.  Sheesh, I thought the main
plot was done to death; this subplot got exhumed just for this episode.
As for the "gambling for personal gain" bit, I guess they forgot about
"The Right Hand of God."  Or the fact that it wasn't personal.  (Oh, it
was a joke?  I dare anybody to tell me they laughed aloud.  *That* would
be funny.)

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about the "kid running away from home"
sidebar.  It took all of five minutes, was predictable, but it didn't
set my teeth on edge like the previous 45 minutes had.

The ending?  Anything else wouldn't have been Sam's style.  Ziggy is usually
right when he guesses 80% or higher, so either he was dead wrong, or two
50% chances don't add up to 100%.  I'll ignore the last 10 seconds - that
they were the last 10 redeemed them.

No I did not like this episode - flame me if you like (I'm used to it).  I
think I'll re-watch my tape of "Sea Bride," just to remind myself they once
knew how to write a slapstick comedy.

Next week - "`What Price Gloria' with teeth."  Oh joy and rapture.  I hope
that amid her righteous indignation Ms. Pratt remembered to include a plot,
a few good characters, and a little bit of open-mindedness.

Jeremy Billones                                 billones@grebyn.com
"An F would be too generous.  A G might be misconstrued as good.  So I'm
giving you an H.  If you chose between hideous, horrible, and horrendous,
it would be the only multiple choice question you got right."
Who said it, what story, complete the quote.
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From: rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca (Roberta Rheaume (CPB))
Subject: Re: Budget cuts..
Organization: CPCS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:29:17 GMT

In article <1ihnk1INNqqr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:


>Yes, Roberta, there are budget cuts.....
>-- 
>Ted....

I know there are budget cuts, I work for the government and that is all I 
hear all day.  I really resent having to listen to it on a SF TV show, (
Space Rangers) where I go to escape.  At least if things will get worse or 
stay the same in the future, a show should have a decent story line, such as 
Brave New World or 1984.  This show was not showing anyone's idea of the 
future, just regurgitating the news, which is always full of budget cuts and 
drug smuggling.  Perhaps they should have hired Peter Jensen to be the hero 
and Geraldo to be the droid. Sally Jessy Raphael could take Linda Hunt's 
place.

Roberta
From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: new episodes?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:42:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
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In a previous article, philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) says:

>In article <1hurdsINN2qp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
>>
>>
>
>>
>>Tale of Two Sweeties.
>>
>>Sam's a bigamist.  That's all I know.
>
>     Oh boy.  Is it too much to hope that this episode will
>contain a positive portrayal of a polyamorous marriage, or
>should I just expect the "man is cheating on both women"
>stock story?
>

I would tend to expect the "man cheating on both women" but who knows? I
mean, have you seen the commercial....

Sam's bigamist Leap yet.

YUCK!
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From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Keywords: bbbaaaaadddd
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:09:29 GMT

noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White) writes:

>In <1993Jan8.053323.15118@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:


>>	7.  Stupid fake-guns trick.  It's a wonder the cardassians 
>>	supposedly won any battles at all against the federation during
>>	the war. 

>  I agree with all the points you made and something else just popped into
>my mind:

>  Why would 3 Cardassian _war ships_ just sit around shooting phasers at
>this huge unmaneuverable space station. I am common even I would blow the
>hell out of it with some torps. Or maybe the tubes jammed on all three
>ships. Cough, choke....NOT! It was totally lame.

DS9 used to be a Cardassian station.  Why blow it up when you can just
capture it back by blowing the hell out of it with phasers??

-Mark

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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Babylon 5
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:34:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>It's my understanding that Babylon 5 is just a two-hour movie at this
>point.  Does anyone know if it will be made into a series?  When is
>the movie set to premier?

It is scheduled to be shown in the NYC area around the last week of
February on WWOR.  Depending on ratings and station interest, the
producers would like to have the series debut late in 1993 or early
1994.

I would not be surprised if the producers are watching Star Trek -
Deep Space Nine to see how much of a hit it becomes.  I am also sure
they are interested in seeing how the other independent network shows
(Time Trax, Kung Fu, The Untouchables, etc.) do in the larger markets.


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From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: QL joke on Tonight Show
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:30:23 GMT

In article <Jan.8.23.46.04.1993.19660@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
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   From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
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   Date: 9 Jan 93 04:46:05 GMT
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   On the "Tonight Show" tonight, January 8, Jay Leno ended his
   monologue with the joke:

   "As if NBC didn't have enough problems, next week on "Quantum
   Leap", Sam leaps to CBS to try and get an earlier time slot."

   Well, I thought it was funny.

That sounds more like a dig at Letterman than anything else.

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From: noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White)
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Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:06:42 -0500
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Keywords: bbbaaaaadddd

In <1993Jan8.053323.15118@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:


>	7.  Stupid fake-guns trick.  It's a wonder the cardassians 
>	supposedly won any battles at all against the federation during
>	the war. 

  I agree with all the points you made and something else just popped into
my mind:

  Why would 3 Cardassian _war ships_ just sit around shooting phasers at
this huge unmaneuverable space station. I am common even I would blow the
hell out of it with some torps. Or maybe the tubes jammed on all three
ships. Cough, choke....NOT! It was totally lame.


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From: jsciv@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joseph Cochran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SPACE RANGERS REVIEW
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:24:30 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Department of Graduate Slaves

In article <16B50EC7F.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg) writes:
>STNG, DSN and space R. all blow wads.  good for you who decide to turn
>this shit off and pick up a book, until something good comes along.
>if you must watch tv, put in an old favorite video.  don't support this
>bullshit!!!
> 

	You know, I think that in your own, um, quaint way, you do have a
point about the fact that the quality of the Science Fiction on TV has gone
down, even in the run of TNG.  But think about this:  we of usenet's SF 
groups are a small minority of a large viewing public, and we don't represent
a population that can be easily quantified, nor do our visions and dreams
of the future find nice, definable holes to fit into.  
	But CBS and Paramount (and Warner, next month) have decided that 
there is enough of a SF fan in each viewing household to try and give us 
something.  It may not be the best we've seen, but its quality matches at
least some of what else is out there.  And most importantly, it focuses on
the future, and someone's dream of it.  If we don't at least look at that,
we don't send the message that we're waiting for a better sf show, because
the message that the producers will receive is that sf shows don't sell.  
	I'm not suggesting that you change your mind and watch the shows.
That is not my place, nor should it be.  But don't say that it's all a waste
of time, because even if these shows die, they have helped re-start the
dream of the future.  Space Rangers may not last through the original 6
episodes, but those who are not fans have seen it, and they might just
decide that some part of what they saw is an attainable goal, either in 
the future, or in the present (one point you have to give SR is that they
tried to address a contemporary issue for the better).  
	Don't pass it off as a waste, but tell the producers that you want
something more, and something better.  And don't tell the world that TV 
sf is bad, because then they might believe you.  TV sf is not easy for 
hollywood minds to make up, but that doesn't mean they should stop trying
to do it.  But if the world believes that TV sf is bad, they will not 
watch it, even if that forecast changes.  
	The future begins with a dream, and a dream might just be inspired
by silly TV shows.  But we as a world need those dreams, especially dreams
of going beyond this world.  Especially dreams of hope.
	
					*--Joe--*
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