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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Keywords: nn
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:15:06 GMT


>
>>
>>	I saw where, in the ACC report, that Georgia Tech is "eliminated"
>>	from bowl consideration at 5-5.  If they beat Georgia and finish
>>	6-5, I'd sure as hell rather have them than a 6-6 Iowa or 6-5
>>	Michigan State!
>
>Georgia Tech cannot play in a bowl, they got bit by the IAA bug.  Maybe
>they will consider playing a full schedule of IA teams.  The more you 
>play, the better chance you will have of having 6 wins against them, 
>besides, there are some real patsies out there...  Temple, Navy, TCU,

After thinking about it....  I think Texas played a IAA team, UNT...
Although I beleive they have/are petitioning to move to IA.  Get a 
real schdule 'sips...  :-)

cmuck
From: hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Date: 22 Nov 1992 18:50:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Nov22.014417.74436@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>In article <1em1e8INNga1@agate.berkeley.edu>, hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William
>Hackett) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>Except the ACC Basketball, Football.  Academics: Duke, UVa, Wake, Clemson, Ga.
>Tech, Maryland and UNC  Golf, Women's Basketball:  Va, Maryland etc.  I
>suppose I could go on, But there is only so much I can say to an Idiot like
>you except that not only does the ACC currently exist, but this T/C conference
>is just impossible, read any of the earlier posts about UofT and aTm getting
>held hostage by the Texas Legislature.  Grow A Brain.
>-- 
>MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
>758-0207
>MLSA
>
>"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
>wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
>another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett

#1 don't even think you can compete academically.  Stanford,Cal, Rice are
better than any of your schools flat out and I would take TA&M Texas UCLA
as being better than all but your top one or two.. Football Give me a break
Texas Texas A&M , UCLA, USC... need I say more...  Golf shall I remind you
TEXAS, STANFURD!!.. Same goes for Womens Basketball!!..  Okay Men's Basketball
does look good for you but UCLA is always good Stanford Texas are not so bad
and every once in while Houston.  This confernece if you look up all the 
stats kicks the EAST COAST butt! even ACC.  Texas doesn't want its best two
schools to leave the SWC to join the PAC-10 but I'm sure they wouldn't mind 
this super conference...  


Just admit it your mad because this conference will dominate the EAST COAST
,Texas Legislature has nothing against that.  In Fact it would mean good things
for UH and Rice as they step up.  

ZZ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Arizona State 7, Arizona 6 in Tucson
Keywords: defense
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:27:38 GMT

willers@trombone.sps.mot.com (Robert Willers) writes:

>Obviously, ASU is the number one team in the nation due to the
>famous r.s.f.c transitivity theory, since they beat Arizona by one
>point in Tucson, while the "ranked" number one team, Miami, beat
>them by one at home.  :) :) :) :)

You want transitivity?  How about these:

Washington 41, Stanford 7
Stanford 40, Washington State 3
Washington State 42, Washington 23.

Thus, Stanford is 90 points better than ourselves!

Or any number of other infinite loops in the Pac-10...  very scary.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.193646.6437@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

   >In article <Bxx7Mt.En6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  
   (Hazard Class Mage) writes:

   >> The Assholes of the World!!

   >"The Cesspool of the West!" has a better ring to it, in my mind.

That's right, Orin.  We're not the Assholes of the world, just the
"Arrogant Asses in Ann Arbor."  That's a quote from a Michigan State
coach, but I don't remember which one.



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Lighten Up Francis 
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:30:51 GMT

[tons of stuff deleted...all of it in fact]

In the FSU-Michigan game last year, the second INT of Elvis came...as you said
as a result of him being hit. The ball was caught by the nose gaurd, Todrick
McIntosh. Todrick is the slowest member of the defensive squad...running a 
*ahem* slow 4.95 40 dash. The reason he seemed so slow on his runback is 
because he was damn tired from all the line playing.

Kevin

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:32:12 GMT

Vinny Tino (tino@ray.metray) wrote:
: Well, Jim, Look at whether the teams that FSU played were ranked when they 
: played them.  Clemson, NC State, UNC, Virginia, Ga Tech, were all ranked teams
: when FSU beat them.  Now Wake is ranked.  Looks like I am not the only guy
: who believes that.

Yeah, yeah, and Tennessee was ranked #4 at one time, and Penn State was
ranked #8 at one point, and so on, and so on, and so on...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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From: morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Holiday Bowl (Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES)
Keywords: travesty
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: borg.17644

In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU>, rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
|> If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
|> Michigan state loses to Illinois, both very
|> real possibilities, then Iowa will be (6-6) and
|> will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.
   ^^^
   may

As has already been repeated over and over here, the Holiday Bowl has
an escape clause that allows them to decline to invite the Big-10
third-place team if they have fewer than eight wins.  (My guess is
that they want to any replay of 1984.)

There's very little chance that a 6-6 team would be invited to the
Holiday Bowl (or any other for that matter).

Now that opens up the question, which I haven't seen discussed here,
of who else the Holiday Bowl could invite.  While the WAC #2 is off
playing ranked Kansas, will the WAC #1 be stuck playing someone like
Iowa or Michigan State?  Anyone heard any rumors from the Holiday Bowl
about possible invitations?  (And where is Mark Tyler when you really
need him? ;-))

A more general question: what are the current highest-ranked teams
that aren't already nailed down?

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:57:27 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <1eraubINNp6r@eagle.natinst.com> larrya@natinst.com writes:

> In article <23NOV199210425756@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes...
> >>Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
> >>best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >The Fightn' Texas Aggie Band has NEVER lost a halftime!!!
> >
> >
> >GIG'EM  AGS!!!
> >
> >Mark Weyland
> >Texas A&M University - Class of '88
> 
> Mark:
> Although I was a member of the University of Texas Longhorn Band, the Showband
> of the Southwest, for 4 years, and did march at two victories over the Aggies
> in College Station, I will not start a flame war by saying "My band is better 
> than your band."

So why the thing about the Sousa trophy?  I never herad of it, myself.

> 2.  In 1981 at the A&M-Rice game, the Aggie Band became confused in the 
> middle of the show.  Half of the famous 'flying T' wound up at the wrong
> end of the field while the rest of the band looked like the not-so-famous
> 'flying gamma'.  Shortly thereafter, the entire band left the field without
> even finishing the show.  When a football team leaves the field without
> finishing the game, it is called a forfeit.  I don't know how a band could
> call that a victory.

  This is the famous "whistle incident", where Rice students blew whistles to 
confuse the bandsmen (now bandpersons) in their precise drills.  The Aggie band
now only uses whistles as backup.

  The Rice band was chased off the field (by Aggies) another time following 
the "Revellie incident."  I reckon we're all pretty much even so far as that
goes.

  Besides, the Prairie View A&M band makes 90% of all college bands look like
slow freight (I'm not kidding).

  And get some new uniforms.  That puke orange is *not* impressive. :-)

  But your cheerleaders are cuter.  We don't even have cheerleaders.  Sometimes
I like that, sometimes I don't.  But I am glad we have no flag corps!


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov18.152425.12729@walter.bellcore.com> <BxxAwp.D2G@ais.org>
	<BxxGqv.27t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:27:40 GMT

In article <BxxGqv.27t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson) writes:

   ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:

   >fsu is the best 1 loss team in the nation, nothing more.

Would you feel the same way if they were ahead of a team you hate,
instead of the team you love?  In other words, is this personal, or
philisophical?

Hopefully, this whole issue will be resolved by the end of the season.
Until then, though, it's kinda fun to watch the word war between the
FSU and TAMU people.  Personally, I'm not an FSU fan, but I do think
they're the better of the two teams.





-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:25:33 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov15.212428.15622@u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>
>
>>The thing that makes Miami so tough is the are one of the few teams in the
>>nation that kill you with both.  Not taking anything away from the other great
>>teams, but Alabama wins by it's defense, as do Arizona and Washington.  Bama
>>and UW have very good offenses, but not as good as Miami's.  Michigan is 
>1)  Washington does not win by Defense, the Huskies win with OFFENSE!  
>      *Everybody* scores against Washington this year.

Funny, they allow about 10.6 pts a game, and you say that "everybody" scores
against Washington this year. Washington has not had anyone score more than
16 points in a game against them this year.  Going into this week, that put 
them at #3 in the nation behind Alabama and Arizona.  After this week, I know
that Miami passes them up, so they should be around 4th..  Not too shabby to
have the #4 scoring defense in the nation.  

>>and came very close to winning.  However, if they were to face each other
>>again, Miami would be better prepared and I would expect a Miami victory.
>
>Sure you would, after you play someone you know what's going to work and
>what isn't going to work.  I'm sure you could make all kinds of adjustments
>that would make you think that you could win. Of course so does the other
>team.  When it comes right down to it... your chances are the same both times.

You make a bad assumption.  That is, that Arizona did not prepare for this
game and didn't really know much about Miami.  Miami is one of, if not they
premier team in the country.  They also get as much or more air time than 
just about anyone else.  Arizona would have had TONS of material to prepare 
with, while it is possible that not much was known about Arizona.  Remember 
that at the time, they were 1-1-1.  They were giving up over 13 points a game
to some pretty unknown teams (Utah St, WSU, Oregon State).  They did not
look like a good team coming in.  
>
>If you can draw any conclusions from this scenario then you have no
>grasp of logic and you are a pinhead!

The fact that you even are trying to make some point from this (lord knows
what that point is), shows you are a pin-head...
>
>wessir 


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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal gets beat by former head coach Bruce Snyder
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:46:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>  The season is over as far as bowl considerations go for Cal.  After next
>week Gilbertson better start doing something to change the program, of which
>should include:

>  1) get that red-shirt freshman quarterback Ziv? playing early and see if he 
>     can replace Barr next season.

Barr has not been the problem this year.  His stats are better than
Stenstrom's and about the same as Bledsoe's.   He has made the mistakes
of an inexperienced sophomore QB.  He will be better next year.
He has talent.

>  2) Utilize Dawkins much more, provided he doesn't go pro.  Have him
>     run the ball once in a while (see 3 below) in addition to catching.

Dawkins will almost certainly turn pro, and will probably be picked
in the first round.

>  3) Try using some imagination once in a while- a fake punt, a fumblerooskie,
>     how about a damn reverse?  The play-calling it too damn predictable.

I agree.  I would not be surprised if a trick play is called against
Stanford, however.

>  4) Get the team fired up!  The lackluster effort in playing Purdue and
>     Arizona is unexcusable.  So is giving up two touchdowns to USC in the
>     final 8 minutes of the game to end up losing by three.

Agreed.  We will see if he can do any better against Stanford
and The Genius (tm).

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:41:35 GMT

 Timothy Tsai writes:

>mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>>In fact, I think refs call games differently when ND is playing.  They rarely
>>call certain penalties against Irish opponents, and could it be that
>>subconsciously they are concerned about making calls in ND's favor, and
>>therefore often bend too far the other way?  Again and again over the last
>>several years I have seen blatant holds against the Irish go uncalled.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Is this really true?  I would like to see how many non-Irish fans believe this.

He's just joking isn't he Tim ?  Nobody holds like Lou holds !!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ryan@pi.cs.fsu.edu (John Ryan)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Reply-To: ryan@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.212802.20596@news.nd.edu> rwood1@takagi.helios.nd.edu (richard wood) writes:
>Not that it makes mush difference, but the bowls are
>put together according to the rankings of the teams
>from the CNN/USA Today Poll - NOT the AP Poll.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzttt!!!!  Wrong answer, buddy.  The bowl coalition will use the
AP rankings.

-- 
--------------------------------------------
-John Ryan
ryan@cs.fsu.edu
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Notre Dame in the South
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:51:30 GMT
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In <1992Nov18.192133.17535@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com writes:

> In article <1992Nov18.163230.24843@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
> >Mark Mitchell writes:
> >
> >On a recent trip to Notre Dame (to watch hockey) I asked a new professor 
> >what she thought made the student body (at Saint Mary's, not Notre Dame) 
> >different from other places she has taught.  She said, "Pat, maybe you 
> >haven't noticed, but they're Catholic!"
> >
> >I think this has something to do with the strong dislike which follows Notre 
> >dame in the South.  When I was a student under the dome, the Irish were not  
> >at all well recieved for their game vs. LSU.  
>  
>  This is totally ridiculous, considering Louisiana is about as Catholic as
> you get in the South. If you weren't well received in Tiger Stadium, it was
> because you're from Notre Dame, not because you're Catholic.

  I'm unaware of ANY visiting team being well-received in the Tigazz stadium.
Although I suppose it would have something to do with how you define "well"...
:-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov17.181608.30749@uvmark.uucp>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.181608.30749@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

   .
   .
   .

  >I have encountered.  Too often do people (myself included) that have a 
  >difference of opinion fall into the personal attacks.  Whatever his opinion,
  >and regardless of the fact he is wrong :-), he has always, in my experience,
  >kept to the issue and not attacked the person.   Bill is, without a doubt,
  >true Blue.   He is definitely biased towards Michigan, and this is fine.  
  >However, he is also one of the few INTELLIGENT posters, in that he just 
  >doesn't give the old "my team is better than yours" crap that a lot of other
  >people do.  He tends to give intelligent, well-thought out opinions.  I have
  >not always agreed with his conclusions, but have never questioned his 
  >method or approach.  Personally, I wish we had more people like Bill on the
  >net, as it would be a lot more informative and easy-going a place...

  >That said, let's get back to football..

Good post, Dave.  I heretofore resolve not to launch any more personal
attacks, unless I "just have to" ;-)

  >Go 'Canes... :-)

Aw, ya' had to ruin it, didn't you?




-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tino@yogi.metray (Vinny Tino)
Subject: Re: Dick Vitale on football
Reply-To: tino@yogi.metray
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:05:02 GMT

In article 20621@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.182458.19801@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> tino@yogi.metray writes:
>>Anyone here good ol' Dickie V's comments on the FSU-A&M controversy last night
>>during the Seton Hall-Delaware basketball game?  Hate to say it but Dick NEVER
>>went to FSU....(sounds like he sure knows his football though!!)
>
>No, I didn't hear what he said...tell us all....inquiring minds wanna know.
>
>>
>Kevin
>

I can't quote him exactly, but he said that he wanted Lee Corso's job and that
A&M will face reality in the Cotton Bowl against anyone they play.  It was really 
pretty funny... I wish I could remember it exactly... Dick loves coming down here 
for hoops...

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ellingrw@cis9.b10.ingr.com (Robert W. Ellington)
Subject: Ala-Fla series record?
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:03:09 GMT


What is the series record between Alabama and Florida?
same for Alabama vs Georgia, and Alabama vs Miami?

Thanks in Advance
Bob E.