From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: There are two years left!
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:07:01 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <BuAxrI.LL0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>In article <67831@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>>Regardless of whether anyone of us is worthy or not, we would all know it, as
>>Jesus described in the following passage:
>>
>>   Mat 24:4   Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you.

>	Like Paul.

This is your basic assumption, correct?  That is that Paul decieved us.

>>   Mat 24:5   For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,  '
>>      and will deceive many.

>	Like Paul.

WHERE DID PAUL SAY THIS?

>>   ...
>>   Mat 24:23   At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!'
>>      or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.

>	Like Paul did.

WHERE DID PAUL SAY THIS?

>>   Mat 24:24   For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform
>>      great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were
>>      possible.

>	Paul Again.

Paul preached Jesus Christ and him crucified - he did not preach himself.
2 Cor 4:5 records Paul as saying that he preached not himself, but Jesus
as Lord, and themselves as His servants.

>>   Mat 24:25   See, I have told you ahead of time.
>
>	And You didn't listen.  Still Haven't

You case hasn't been proved, but assumed.

>>   Mat 24:26   "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do
>>      not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.

>	Or, maybe, "There he was, on the road..."

Not bad, but Paul didn't say Jesus was here or had returned, but that He
appeared to him last of all (1 Cor 5:8.)   He also warns that the return 
of Christ has not happened in (2 Thess 2:1-3.)

>>   Mat 24:27   For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in
>>      the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

>	And did ANYONE besides Saul of Tarsus see him when Saul said he did?
>	I don't think only one man can manage to see a GOD, and everyone else
>	just happen to not notice lightning in the east.

The verse above used lightning as an analogy to show that as every one sees
lightning so will every one see the return of Christ.  Matt 24:30 says that
ALL NATIONS WILL SEE and mourn, upon His return.  Paul never said Jesus the
Christ had returned.

>>   Mat 24:28   Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

>	Yeah.  Saul was a christian persecutor.  Then there was a carcass.
>	Who knows how much in collected tithes he managed to make.

Hmm. :-)

>>   Mat 24:29   "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be
>>      darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from
>>      the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

>	Looks to me, the distress is not over.

No its not - much less the major distress hasn't even started.

>>   Mat 24:30   "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the
>>      sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son
>>      of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

>	Lets see, I think the number was 144,000?  I know there are a lot of xtians
>who claim that that is just symbolism, but what if that's all there really are?
>	How many people are Christians without being paulites?
>	Hmmm...

Paul preached Jesus Christ and him crucified - he did not preach himself.
2 Cor 4:5 records Paul as saying that he preached not himself, but Jesus
as Lord, and themselves as His servants.

Why do you have so much trouble with Paul - He preached Jesus as Lord
and he his servant (bond slave)?

>					Dodger
>					Sean Cannon

For Chirst and His Kingdom,
Richard Pitts
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