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From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Filking...I'm new to the 
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92  09:51:25

From  ucivax!outside.cnd.hp.com!cnd.hp.com!jason
From: jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions)
To:   filk <filk@ofa123.fidonet.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:25:27 -0700

>I'm glad to see another keyboard filker in here... now I don't feel QUITE so
>outnumbered!
>
>(Any sax players around?)

You rang? Alto, soprano, or baritone, take your pick.

I don't get around much to cons, but if something turns up near the wilds of
northern Colorado...

Jazz

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From: Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Yes, virginia......
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  23:55:00

From the <New York Sun> of September 21, 1897

IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS?
Francis Pharcellus Church

Dear editor,
I am eight years old.  Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
Papa says "If you see it in The Sun, it's so."  Please tell me the truth; is
there a Santa Claus? -- Virginia

Dear Virginia,
Virginia, your little friends are wrong.  They have been affected by the
skepticism of a skeptical age.   They do not believe except they see.  They
think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds.
All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little.  In
this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect,
as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the
intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.  He exists as certainly as love and
generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your
life its highest beauty and joy.  Alas! how dreary would be the world if
there were no Santa Claus.  It would be as dreary as if there were no
Virginias.  There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to
make tolerable this existence.  We should have no enjoyment, except in sense
and sight.  The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be
extinguished.

Not believe in Santa Claus!  You might as well not believe in fairies! You
might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas to
catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what
would that prove?  Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is
no Santa Claus.  The most real things in the world are those that neither
children nor men can see.  Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn?  Of
course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive
or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but
there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor
even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear
apart.  Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain
and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond.  Is it all real?
Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Santa Claus!  Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever.  A thousand years
from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will
continue to make glad the heart of childhood.

     --------------------------end---------------------------




... Never trust a grapefruit........................................
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


--- WM v2.04/92-0475
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: scotland's depraved
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  21:34:00

 -=> Brown, Derek S said to All on 12-14-92  14:33 <=-

BDS> the phrases to Scotland's Depraved that I know go as follows...

Ha! With these words, my verson is now altered as follows:

               TRIMARIAN SHEEP SONG
                          -Anonymous
             (Tune: "Scotland the Brave")

 Bring me some whiskey, mother
 I'm feeling frisky, mother
 I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!
 I need a lover, mother
 No, not my brother, mother
 I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!

 Gerbils don't make it, mother
 They just can't take it, mother
 I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!
 Owls, bats and other critters
 Just tend to give me jitters
 I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!

(bridge)  Sheep never talk about it
          They never ever doubt it
          Always so placid, affectionate and nice!

 Give me that lanolin
 Better than flannel-in
 I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!

Bring me my dear old sister
Oh god, how I've missed her
I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!
Bring me my dear Aunt Mary
Oh God! She's so damn hairy
I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!

Bring me my dear grandmother
I'd wish for none the other
I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!
I need a lover, mother
You'll do if there's no other
I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!

(bridge)  Sheep never talk about it
          They never ever doubt it
          Always so placid, affectionate and nice!

 Give me that lanolin
 Better than flannel-in
 I need a sheep to keep me warm through the night!

... Beat me! Whip me! Make me wear bad Elizabethians!


--- WM v2.04/92-0475
From: Major.Matt.Mason@p11.f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: My last two songs...
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92  23:34:48

On 12/13/92, Harry Smothers said to All concerning My last two songs...: 

  HS> I have seen no responses - did the mail packer eat them?

Apparently.  Please resend.

-MMM-

--- MacWoof Eval:25Oct92
From: Deborah.Weiss@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Mathoms, Gracey?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:16:36

I beg to differ as to the dating of the first mathom party.  It was Holiday
Season of 1984 or 1985 at a filk hosted by Lori & Corey Cole in San Jose, CA. 
 At that time I was living in Sacramento, CA & travelled to the SF Bay Area
for the weekend filks.  In fact, that's the 1st time I saw Rick Weiss, who had 
travelled up from Simi Valley with Misty Joyce to attend the party.  (Rick
remembers me as the "woman coming all the way from Sacramento and we're
waiting for her.")
 
Anyway, we all brought wrapped mathoms or white elephants, which were duly put 
under the Yule tree and eventually unwrapped and exchanged. The most memorable 
& popular mathom was the Aztec torture scene decoupaged on a huge piece of
plywood & varethaned.  This got passed around several times & to this day I
can't remember who eventually got to keep it.
 
As a further sidebar, I described our holiday party to my co-workers on
Monday, 12/14, & was told that this type of "white elephant party" was quite
popular & each had a favorite story about the oddest item to be exchanged.  In 
fact, a new filk attendee told me that our party was the 3rd "white elephant
party" they had participated in.  It was the term "mathom" that was new to
them.  (A further aside, my manager, who's a native Brooklyner, told me her
family [Italian] called the game "It's a Dirty Shame" because every time an
item was swapped, the taker exclaimed "It's a dirty shame!"  They apparently
used card deck(s) to determine choosing order and sometimes used multiple
decks to give multiple rounds at swapping!)
 
Endpoint:  Mathom or white elephant gift exchanges are not unknown across the 
country.  Only the nomenclature, terminology & rules change.


---
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 22:44:41 EST
From: Joshua Kronengold <JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Filksing in NYC this saturday

                     Joshua Kronengold
                           and
                The New York Metropolitan
                   Filkers Organization

                         present:

Yet Another Evening Of Filking
On Saturday, December 19, in
the home of Joshua Kronengold
(and Samuel Kopel)
310 W85 st, Apt 4B(The Mimosa)
New York, NY
(212)-724-2943
6:00-(whenever)
Refreshments will be provided on a
'potluck' basis.


The official style of the sing shall be poker chip.

And if you get this after it is over, please ignore it. (So I procrastinated?
I announced to several other groups rather earlier than this, so there should
be a decent amount there.)
-------
| Joshua Kronengold <jokhc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>                           |
| My Pleasure is my power to please my Mistress:                      |
| My Power is my pleasure in that power.-Lessingham                   |
From: Mary.Creasey@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Kerowyn
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:17:24

Uh--"Kerowyn's Ride" ((lyric sheet) is dated 1/84; _Murder, Mystery & Mayhem_ 
is dated 1985. 


---
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: reid@ucs.indiana.edu (Frank Reid)
Subject: another christmas carol trashed
Keywords: angels, oreos
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:18:30 GMT

Some of us made this up while caving in Kentucky during the Thanksgiving
holiday:

tune:  Angels We Have Heard on High

Oreos, my favorite snack.
Run to the store and brings some back.
Twist the sides and gently pull,
Creamy middle packed so full.

O-o-o-o-o O-o-o-o-o O-o-o-o-Oreos
With the creamy middle,
O-o-o-o-o O-o-o-o-o O-o-o-o-Oreos
In between the chocolate.

--

Frank     reid@ucs.indiana.edu    NSS 9086     W9MKV

disclaimer:  The National Speleological Society is not affiliated
             in any way with Nabisco.
From: Julie.Rhodes@f120.n226.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Pagan yule carols
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  22:40:00

J->For filk stuff, check out the huckster room next Marcon.  (You just

Will do.  I recall seeing some music there, hopefully there will be some with 
multi-choral parts to make it really interesting work.

J->Did you ever hear about the Funniest Computer Songs tape I took to my
J->last 226 eat-in?  If you drop a line in USER_226 someone should be able
J->to give you info, as I've managed to lose my copy of the tape. <sigh>

Sorry to hear you lost it.  I've sometimes thought about sending off for that 
kind of thing, but somehow I just never do...

 * SLMR 2.1a * Men are like cookies: sweet, crumbly, and bad for you.


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From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Mathoms, Gracey?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  09:11:52

 DW> Each person, in numerical order, gets to choose a gift to
 DW> unwrap and hold up for all to ogle.
 DW>  
 DW> Each successive person to unwrap a gift is given the 
 DW> option to view all previously opened gifts & decide 
 DW> whether to exchange the new gift for one already 
 DW> opened.  [...]
 DW>  
 DW> After the last person has taken his/her turn, the 1st 
 DW> person to open a gift then gets to choose from all 
 DW> the opened gifts.

Well-timed description!  I was recently invited to a party, to be held this
coming Saturday evening, with a gift-swap described EXACTLY that way.  Now I
know what to call it....

 DW> Sometimes, some
 DW> mathoms are so good as mathoms that they get 
 DW> exchanged year after year after year ad infinitum.

I've heard tell that in Japan, some presents change hands many times WITHOUT
EVEN BEING OPENED, so that not even the giver knows what it is!


--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: Major.Matt.Mason@p11.f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Pretty Blue and Red Lights on the Roof...
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92  23:46:08

On 12/12/92, J-Mag said to Dave Aronson concerning Cementine -- Take 3: 

  Jg> (The tune is "Black and White" -- who wants to do the next part?)
 
And now we all
Must understand
There's too much damned law 
Upon this land
(Uponnnthis lannnnd)...

The lights on top
Are blue and red
When they show up
You're filled with dread

The shirt is black
The badge is white
Together they teach
The people fright
The people fright.

(Usual disclaimer, etc.)

-MMM-

--- MacWoof Eval:25Oct92
From: Snake@f113.n106.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Cementine -- Take 3
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  23:47:48

 -=> J-Mag after the arraignment hearing said to Dave Aronson <=-

 J-> Monday December 07 1992, Dave Aronson writes to J-Mag:
 
 DA>         The bear went over the mountain,
 DA>         For he's a jolly good fellow,
 DA>         The bear went over the mountain,
 DA>         And so say all of us!
 
 DA> (Us being, of course, the folks who make those road traffic signs.  Like
 DA> f'rinstance BEAR LEFT....  Then there are those times you try to argue
 DA> with a grizzly.  Don't.  Remember: BEAR RIGHT!)

 J-> The bear went left
 J-> The bear went right
 J-> The bear went through the traffic light
 J-> The car was black
 J-> With doors of white
 J-> It chased me nearly half the ni-i-ight.
 J-> What a horrible night!

 J-> (The tune is "Black and White" -- who wants to do the next part?)

The Trans Am's black
The truck's a sight
The Coors must arrive by next dawn's light.
The Sherr'ff's in black
The bride's in white
And Bandit, he knows he'll be all right
If he drives all night.

Breaker one-nine for a Filkie report...   <Next?>



--- Blue Wave/Max v2.10 [NR]
From: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Breaker one-nine?? <<grin>>
Date: 19 Dec 1992 04:04:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Ya know, you hear filk in the ODDEST places. I picked this one up off the CB and
expanded on it a bit. After the first 3 lines, it's (C) 1992 Joe Ellis.
First 3 lines, Anon.

(to the tune of: Santa Claus is coming to Town)

You better watch out, you better not speed!
Listen up truckers, here's the info you need:
Smokey's at the four-oh, westbound.

He knows that you've been speedin',
He knows your runnin' late
He knows your logbook is all faked
And you're runnin' overweight!

So, you better watch out, you better not speed!
Listen up, trucker, here's the info you need:
Smokey's at the four-oh, westbound!


The nice thing about this one is that you can modify the location to fit the 
situation:
Smokey's rollin' southbound, five-two
Smokey's eastbound at two-ninety-four.

 ...or whatever the situation calls for.
-- 
 Joe Ellis  o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~    |     TesserAct Studios
     Internet:   usr6184a@cbos.uc.edu       |       P.O. Box 18577
        GEnie:   J.ELLIS22                  |     Fairfield, OH 45018
    All filked up and no place to sing!     |   New Dimensions In Filk!
From: Major.Matt.Mason@p11.f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Philadelphia filksinging
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  07:21:09

On 12/10/92, Sherman Dorn said to Major Matt Mason concerning Philadelphia
filksinging: 

  SD> I would like to organize a filksing in the Philadelphia area during
  SD> January.  Would you (or anyone else out there) care to join in? 

Possibly.  Where and when?

-MMM-

--- MacWoof Eval:25Oct92
From: Scott.Malcomson@f110.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: My last two songs...
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92  23:32:00

 Harry Smothers denied allegations of involvement with All over My last two
songs...:
 HS> It has been a week and a half since I posted my last two songs,
 HS> Hopeless Warren (-or- Spaceship Down) and Temperature of Roast Filk. 

I liked both of them...I didn't get most of the "in-jokes" on Temperature, but
it was nicely done nonetheless!


---LCD

... If it can't overheat, it doesn't have enough firepower!
--- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Kerowyn
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92  14:13:08

On <Dec 14 11:17>, Mary Creasey (1:102/524) wrote to Kay Shapero:

 MC>Uh--"Kerowyn's Ride" ((lyric sheet) is dated 1/84; _Murder, 
 MC>Mystery & Mayhem_ is dated 1985. 

Oh?  Thought it was on the most recent one for some reason.  Anyway, as it
happens I've never seen or heard it anyway. 

--- msged 2.06
From: hjfeld@acs.bu.edu (harold feld)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Request for obscure lyrics of old
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:58:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Random request time:
This talk of Julia Ecklar reminded me that I have
always wanted to track down a piece she did once
called SPOCK PACIFIC.  It was a musical parody of
Star Trek III.  Many years ago, someone gave me a
bad second generation copy they'd made at the con
where it had been performed.  I played the thing to 
death long ago.  If anyone knows where I might obtain'
a copy, I should be very grateful.  (Lord knows none
of the dealers I've asked have any clue what I'm
talking about.)
No, I'm sorry, I don't know what con it was, or even
when it was.  Just that it was pre-89.
Hopefully,
Harold
From: Steve.Powell@f1066.n374.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Lyric search
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  21:47:00

I'm looking for words for my music, of which I have a blue ton,
so are there any takers?

--- FMail 0.90
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: Filking...I'm new to the
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:47:27 GMT

In article <n11ddt@ofa123.fidonet.org>
Harry.Smothers@f281.n120.z1.fidonet.org writes:
> 
>Duh, it seems that a large percentage of filk is re: conventions, other 
>filksongs, other filkers, and even mundane politics.  And, other than a 
>few crossover artists, most of the Horror filks stay at Horror cons, 
>from what I've seen/heard. 
 
Um, I don't know how things are commonly outside of the midwest,
but most filk here is not self-(or fandom) referential.  Not for
the last 15 years anyway...
-- 
Bill Roper, roper@chinet.chi.il.us
From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Saxophones...
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  17:34:50

From  ucivax!outside.cnd.hp.com!cnd.hp.com!jason
From: jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions)
To:   filk@ofa123.fidonet.org
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:28:48 -0700


>>You rang? Alto, soprano, or baritone, take your pick.
>>
>>I don't get around much to cons, but if something turns up near the wilds of
>>northern Colorado...
>
>Actually, I was kinda thinking about trying to get a sax quartet together for
>OVFF next year... <<grin>>

Could be done; Mark Wise of Marcon fame has been on my case for a while to
get out to one of those.

>ANOTHER Baritone player???   Amazing! Mebbe a Bari Duet! 

Not likely; you ever try air travel with a baritone? I'd be on a narrowbody
into the nearest city, and the horn just doesn't fit into the overhead
compartment. It sure as heck ain't going underneath; the case is in pieces
already, so the horn lives in a gig bag.

The alto and soprano travel, though, and I could get my hands on a C-melody
sax in a real pinch. (Grandfather owns one, but I'm extremely patient about
inheriting it; it'd be fine with me if he survives long enough to leave it
to my kids, when I have them.) Soprano is the most personal of the horns I
play; easiest to speak with a unique voice. Intonation is perhaps a little
harder to control; tiny mouthpiece and all that.

What did you have in mind?

Jazz

--- Squish v1.01
From: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: More sexy banjo stuff
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:57:38 GMT
Reply-To: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Sherman.Dorn@p6.f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org () says:

>On <13 Dec 92  11:37>, Joe Bethancourt scribbled the following to Usenet:
>
> JB>  But take a look at it: it is strings
> JB> mounted on a drum-head....and this
> JB>  should be a pretty good indicator that the banjo is a PERCUSSION
> JB>  instrument as well as a STRINGED
> JB> instrument. The banjo should have a good
> JB>  -strong- rhythmic beat, accenting and driving the rhythm of the song's
> JB>  tune and lyrics. Pay attention to that!
>
>Of course, any jazz musician or afficionado must note that drums, guitars,
>basses, and pianos all are considered "rhythm" (and thus percussion) for the
>purposes of jam sessions.  We know a piano is percussion.  A guitar *should*
>be considered also a percussion instrument, as well as basses when not bowed. 
> Well, I guess that means drums are the only non-percussion family of
>instruments in a rhythm section, right?
>--- via XCS 1.00
>

Sorry, only the drums and piano are considered percussion instruments. Guitar
and bass are strings. It has to do with normal mode of play. Percussion 
instrumments are struck to produce sound. Obviously drums are struck, and the
hammer inside the piano strikes the strings. However, a harpsichord's strings
are plucked, as are the guitar's and the jazz bass... so they're still strings.
"Keyboard" covers all the synthesizers for now... but that has more to do with
the control mechanism than how the actual sound is produced. Interestingly
enough, the old Fender-Rhodes piano was also a percussion instrument... it had
metal tines inside that were struck by hammers.

That brings to mind what Joe Bethancourt said about banjo the other day, 
when he called it a percussion instrument. I would have to disagree. While it
has a percussive _sound_, it's still in the string family, as is the dulcimer,
even when played with fiddlesticks. The Hammer Dulcimer, tho, _is_ percussion.

"Percussion" and "rhythm" are _not_ synonymous, the efforts of grade school
'rhythm band' teachers notwithstanding. "Percussion" defines _how_ the sound is
made. "Rhythm", in the case of "rhythm section", defines the _function_ of the
section in the group as a whole. The "rhythm section" provides the rhythmic
foundation upon which the rest of the band builds, and serves to accent and
'set up' major rhythmic points and contrasts. 

(btw... this is based on about 19 years experience playing in jazz bands)
(Now, isn't that more than you ever wanted to know about the subject? <<grin>> )
-- 
 Joe Ellis  o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~    |     TesserAct Studios
     Internet:   usr6184a@cbos.uc.edu       |       P.O. Box 18577
        GEnie:   J.ELLIS22                  |     Fairfield, OH 45018
    All filked up and no place to sing!     |   New Dimensions In Filk!
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: lords of the dance
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92  10:48:26

On <Dec 09 07:11>, Brian Lowe (1:348/20421) wrote to Dave Aronson:

 BL>Try this (I'm pretty sure this is the accurate version!)
 BL>  Dance, dance, wherever you may be
 BL>  I am the Lord of the Dance, said he.
 BL>  And I'll lead you all wherever you may be,
 BL>  And I'll lead you all in the Dance, said he.
 BL>(or is that last line ...
 BL>  For I am the Lord of the Dance, said He.) ?

Very close: according to Rise Up Singing the last two lines of Carter's chorus 
are:
"I live in you if you live in me
And I lead you all in the dance, said he."

Gang?  I think this one has gone on long enough, don't you? 

--- msged 2.06
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