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From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda GB500, Suzuki GS500E, or Yamaha Seca II ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:42:57 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)


Major personal opinions in this article -- take them with a grain of
salt, especially since I haven't actually *ridden* any of these bikes. :)


In article <1992Dec20.002220.3224@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
> New 1990 Honda GB500: This was the most recommended bike (well, that means
> it got 2 votes). Trouble is, I haven't yet seen one, but dealerships around
> this area can get me one for about $3500 before haggling begins. Seems a
> bit pricey for a 3-year-old 500, even new.

The GB500 is a funky bike.  I have a friend who gets one as a loaner
whenever her 650 special is in the shop (which is often), and she
*loves* it.  She says it handles magnificently, has lots of low-end,
and it has interesting enough styling that it gets looks on the
street.

However, there's something about it that strikes me as...old.  Not in the
bike sense, but in the sense that the GB500 is for an older rider.  It
looks more stable than fun.  But thats my predjudices; I have the same
opinions about BMWs. :)

I have seen the GB500's used for as little as $1800.

> New Suzuki GS500E: Sat on one today. They want $3300 before haggling. I
> think the complete lack of windscreen/fairing is weird and ugly, but I'm
> sure I could get used to it. Riding position is fine.

Paint job is smarmy (all those horrid zigzag stripes).

The GS's seem just ordinary to me.  I see a lot of students on them as
"first bikes."

> < 300 miles Yamaha Seca II: This is my current favorite at $3300, probably
> not a lot of haggling I can do. Has a small but quite liveable dent/scratch
> on the gas tank that they claim is from another bike's lever during local
> shipping/uncrating. This bike looks and feels good to me, it is a 600 and
> I think I'd like the extra power, and has that nice big 4.3 gal fuel tank.

I really like the Seca.  Really.  If I was going to buy a 4-stroke
bike, it would most probably be a Seca II.  Especially with the new
green paint -- it looks sharp. And quite reasonably priced, too.
Third-party accessories (full fairing, etc) are plentiful.  I sat on
one and it seemed light and comfortable.

Given a choice between the equally priced GS and the Seca -- there isn't
one.  Get the Seca.  See if you can talk them down for the dent.

Laura


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Laura Lemay                              lemay@netcom.com
writer of trifles in shadows and blood
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Winter gas
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:26:38 GMT

In article <1htgccINNpss@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:
>The San Jose Mercury news ran an article today (12/30/92) on fuel economy
>loss with oxygenated winter gasoline.
>
>Among the salient points:
>
>No one seems to know how much fuel economy suffers.  Estimates range
>from 1% (EPA) to 27% (Fairbanks, Alaska cab drivers).
>
>A Colorado environmental consulting firm (PRC Environmental Management Inc.)
>claims to have found that the fuel only makes a difference in the emissions
>of "dirty" (poorly tuned or defective) cars.  They claim the oxygenated fuel
>is ineffective in reducing emissions in 90% of cars.

A data point: I noticed my gas mileage dropped about 7% suddenly, and couldn't
figure out why (until I read this thread, which reminded my of all those
newspaper articles I'd read and forgotten.) Incidentally, it dropped in both
my car and my bike.

My power, at least on the bike, did not drop (BMW K75) but I noticed the 
'soft-spot' in the acceraltion moved from ~3,000 rpm to about 2,600 rpm. I
also noticed a bit of a 'knocking' in my car (Saturn SL-1).

Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is obviously either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally-
deficient, weak-willed, inconsequential, namby-pamby tool of some vague but
conveniently defined conspiracy, or b) my wife.
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Winter gas
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:57:47 GMT

thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:

>Not that anyone asked, but my mileage went down 15% with the new
>gas.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sooooooooo!

I was wondering why in hell my little Nighthawk's mileage went from
80 mpg to 50 mpg.

In the summer I was getting a range of 210 miles in my main tank section.
Now it's more like 150 or 160.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com  (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902                  '92 Honda Nighthawk 250, DoD #44444, AMA 656940
"Those who know don't talk; those who talk don't know" - TTC 56, Onngh Yanngh
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Motorcycle Goop With Lemons
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 05:30:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.200138.24565@kpc.com> hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch) writes:

>    So last night I got a lemon from my lemon tree (nice to have around),
>cut it in half and just started scrubbing the rear wheel.  It works great!
>Even the stubborn streaks that usually take a bit of effort came right off.
>I scrubbed with just a lemon half for a bit, and then just squeezed juice
>onto a rag and tried that - both methods worked great.
>
>    Advantages of using lemons:
>
>        You can often get them for free.
>
>        The residue just washes off with water.

>
>        They really take the spooge off as good or better than the
>        "traditional" cleaners listed above.
>
>        You're not using spooge to clean spooge; I feel better about washing
>        it down the driveway.
>
>        Fresh lemony scent!
>
>        You don't even have to really wash it off with water; you can just
>        wipe the wheels clean with a rag afterward.

I'd be careful about that last "advantage."  The acid in the lemon that is
cutting the grease could very well pit smooth aluminum.  It's a neat idea
(pun unavoidable) but I'd make sure to wash the metal afterward with soap
and water.  Just a thought. 

Ride Clean,

Bill
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.054343.1274@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>The following article is aimed at a large group of questioners. I am fully
>aware that the particular person quoted appears to be posting from Texas,
>although why a Texan is getting ba.* groups, much less posting to one, is
>beyond me.
>

	You got sumpin agin Texins boy?

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM (Wendy Gale)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: helmet for sale
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:33:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starchild

HJC Motorcycle Half Helmet

white with black
snap-on visor
zip-out ear flap
fiberglass 
FG-2 DOT
mint condition
Med 7 1/8 - 7 1/4

$70

wendy
(408) 262-9687

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.022918.27025@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>And, yes, Anonymous NetPerson (you know who you are), I really like
>the way the Seca II looks, and could not disagree more with your:
>
>	"IMHO, the Seca II is one of the ugliest bikes ever built, and
>	it achieves that ugli-ness without the detriment of neon.  Yuck!"
>
Okay, okay!  It was me.  Am I the only person on earth who thinks
this bike is butt ugly while Il Monstro is pretty?  Maybe I should
just move to Italy.

>* I say that a man designed the bike, but it could well have been a
>woman who designed the gas tank/seat layout and a man who designed
>the engine. It could not have been a woman who designed both, because

I think the same guys who designed GSXZR15000RRRRRs designed the Seca.
They simply forgot that the Seca is too small to serve as a penile
extension and didn't adjust the seating/tank accordingly.

>no woman in her right mind would have designed an engine that smooth
>(i.e., sans vibration) to go with a gas tank that perfectly shaped
>and placed....

Puhleeeease.  Motorcycle vibrations are grossly overrated as related
to...umm...female sexual urges.  Trust me on this one.  I'm female
and I ride a 4-stroke single.  Make nasty comments about my sexuality
and I'll send Tom after you.  :-)

Beth
=================================================================
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1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                    AMA #631903
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Time to find a frame shop and replace forks...
	<Bzs5Gy.4Jr@news.dtc.hp.com>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:13:04
Distribution: ca

"jjb" == Jim Brewer <jjb@dtc.hp.com> writes:
jjb>   Just as an addition to Stefans good recommendation, find out what kind
jjb> of price you can get on a new frame.  The frame man is expensive and
jjb> sometimes a new one from the dealer will only be marginally more.

New Frame: ~$1200 from Honda.
New Fork assembly: ~$800 from Honda.

See why I want to straighten them? :-)
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWMOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
From: hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: Re: kushi institute
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:49:12 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <154520001@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com> sgajare@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Sanjay Gajare) writes:
>
> The Kushi Institute - Its' internationally known teachers and authors
> of macrobiotic food - is coming to the S.F. Bay area for the first time.
>
> Beginning in January '93, the Kushi Institute Extension program
> will offer level 1, the first of three levels of macrobiotic studies,
> beginning with its balanced vegetarian diet - well known not only
> for creating and maintaining excellent health, but also for
> reversing degenerative diseases such as cancer, high blood pressure
> and heart disease.

I really do take exception to the claim with regard to degenerative
diseases.  Of the two people I know personally who have adopted a
macrobiotic diet in the hopes of reversing disease, neither were
helped, and one died in part because she delayed standard medical
treatment.  While I can understand the enthusiasm involved in any
spiritually- motivated diet regimen, it is not helpful to pass on
promises that cannot be personally verified.

If you know of someone who attributes her or his own cure to a
macrobiotic diet, I'd be interested in hearing about it.  But insofar
as it is anecdotal evidence, it's still not strong enough to justify
delaying standard treatment for such things as cancer.

Actually, if you'd supply a caveat of this sort in future, I'd have no
problems with this ad.

-r
From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: Science and Art Forum - YLEM
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:30:20 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: LOCKHEED, Sunnyvale, CA


	YLEM - Artists Using Science and Technology
	    announces their next forum:

		ART AND PHYSICS    

	Wednesday, January 6, 7:30 pm
	McBean Theatre, The Exploratorium
	3601 Lyon Street, San Francisco, CA
	Info: Trudy Reagan 415-856-9593

	YLEM Forums are free and open to the public.  YLEM is a 
	group of people interested in Art and Science.  Anyone 
	with an interest in Art and/or Science is welcome!
	Come and meet some like minded Artomata...  

	This is also a FREE NIGHT at the Exploratorium so come early 
	and enjoy the exhibits!

	THE PROGRAM:

		Leonard Shlain, MD
	
			Shlain talks on his book of the same name (Art and
			Physics), showing many examples that had to be 
			omitted from the book.  Later he will discuss the
			Origin of the Left Brain.  At intermission we will
			talk with artists staging an exhibit in the lobby -
			artists whose work ties in with the lectures.


	ART IN THE LOBBY:

		Eugene Tsui       :  visionary architecture.

		Ken Rinaldo       :  interactive inetspecies art

		Carter Emmart     :  3-D computer art

		Trudy Myrrh Reagan:  art exploring science concepts

		Jeff Murray       :   of the Holography Institute, art that
					is applied physics

		Therese Lahaie    :  glass sculptor

	-- and more!


	YLEM
	Box 749
	Orinda, California
	94563
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: yost@adobe.com (David Yost)
Subject: Fortune Systems Alumni Party
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:24:31 GMT

Please pass this on to anyone you know who worked at Fortune Systems.

If you ever worked at Fortune Systems, please reply via email
so we can notify you if and when we get the next party together.
The 10th anniversary of FCS was last August.  We missed that, but
perhaps a 6-month-late (or more) party would be appropriate. ;-)

 --dave yost
   yost@adobe.com

P.S.  Please keep the words "Fortune Systems" in the Subject line
      of any email to me about this.  Thanks.
From: gerri@cse.ucsc.edu (Gerri McLellan)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,ucsc.baskin.general
Subject: UCSC CE/CIS Research Seminar 1/14/93
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:17:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: ba ucsc
NNTP-Posting-Host: rio.ucsc.edu

UC Santa Cruz:		Computer & Information Sciences, and
			Computer Engineering

RESEARCH SEMINAR:	Thursday, January 14, 1993, 10:30 - 11:30 AM
			Room 330, Applied Sciences Building
			Refreshments at 10:15.

Muli Safra, Stanford University, will speak on "Probabilistic Checking of
Proof and the Hardness of Approximation Problems"

Abstract:

The talk will discuss a new characterization of the class NP --- as
all languages whose membership proofs can be verified
probabilistically, using a small number of random bits and reading
only a few bits of the membership proof --- and the application of
this characterization to show NP-hardness of various approximation
problems.


__________________________

Anyone needing special arrangements to accommodate a disability is
encouraged to call Gerri McLellan at the Baskin Center - (408) 459-3695.
From: jhw@cup.portal.com (Jim - Weissman)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: Sign Language Classes in Palo Alto
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:38:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

                             Learn Sign Language

Classes for beginner and intermediate students

6-week Sessions:
     Session I:     January and February
     Session II:    March and April

Location: Palo Alto Senior Center
          450 Bryant St (1/2 block north of University Ave)

Sponsored by Deaf Services of Palo Alto    (415) 856-9262 - voice
P.O. Box 60651                             (415) 856-2558 - TTY
Palo Alto, CA 94306
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Duck and Jive (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract )
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:04:23 GMT

In article 28028@cbnewsk.cb.att.com, noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:

>
>What the courts of America have done--routinely--is place children of
>divorce primarily with the parent making the LEAST amount of money, and
>giving that parent near absolute authority over the children, then
>TRYING to FORCE the other parent to fork over the cash necessary to
>support those children, yet not enforcing that paying parent's rights
>to access to those same children.  This often creates an extremely
>hostile, volatile environment.  The custodial parent is allowed to
>disregard the rights of the other parent to access, but the
>non-custodial parent can suffer greatly if he or she refuses to pay
>support for those children that he or she cannot even see.

You seem to misunderstand the legal system.  When there is a conflict between
the parents, the court tries to place the children where they will be best
cared for.  There is a bias to believing that the mother is the best place for
young children; a presumption which can be refuted.  If only one parent wants 
custody, the court has no influence.  It does not place children; they already
have their place.

It does insist that the non-custodial parent has an obligation to support the
children.  Both the custodial and non-custodial parents have the same rights
to enforcement: both can ask the court to enforce support payments or visitation
rights, both can ask the court to sanction the parent which is failing to 
meet his or her obligations.  But you seem to think the court does this on 
its own.  Sorry, it does not.  It only responds to the petitions of one or the
other party.  Custodial parents are not allowed to disregard court orders;
but the court is not the active party.  The injured party must bring the action
to the attention of the court.  


---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: mds@condor
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Vasectomies (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract)
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:38:21 GMT
Reply-To: mds@condor.nsc.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article 255@cnmhnet.UUCP, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:

>Oh Don, how could you or any man even consider getting a vasectomy?
>As a man, I feel that the spermal excrement is at the essence of
>my experience as a man.  Most of the women I used to date really
>enjoyed the excitement of seeing me spray my "love juices" over their
>pulsating bodies.  How a man can even think of depriving himself of
>that pleasure, is beyond me.  If you don't want to have younguns,
>then use a condom and have the babe use the female condom, and the 
>pill, and norplant and RU-46 when it is available shortly.  Then
>you won't have to worry about pregnancy and enjoy the feelings
>of being a whole man.

EXCUUUUUSSSEEE ME!!! Man, where did you get feelings like that???
I'm 38, and had a vasectomy three years ago. I'm having the
best sex of my life, and so are my partners! I'm every bit as
much of a man as you, if not more so. I "cum" just the same as before,
and enjoy sex even more, partly because I have *none* of the worries
and hassles that you have to go through. I am not depriving myself of
any pleasure! I'm sure my female partners would tell you I'm definitely
as "whole" a man as you can be. Did you know that you still "cum"
just like before, only there are no sperm. If your women actually
enjoy just seeing the sperm, their eyesight is better than mine!!!

If you want an educated, experienced point of view on this matter,
feel free to contact me. I feel sorry for Don for getting such
ridiculous advice from you.

-Mark

   
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From: jimmy@finch.scac.edu (Jimmy Tubbs)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Needing help greeting 30!!
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:06:41 GMT
Reply-To: jimmy@finch.scac.edu (Jimmy Tubbs)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sacramento College of Arts and Crafts

In article <1992Dec29.183314.2269@netcom.com>, Marvin Raab writes:
>So, while 30 is right nextdoor from me and I don't want to think about it,
>it's inevitable.

Or you could be dead before then.

Jimmy
Newsgroups: ba.singles,talk.bizarre
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Attribution
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:58:08 GMT

erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
] In article <1992Dec21.063055.5117@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] 
] >Analysis Standards Supporting HeteroDyne Orthoganal Linear Enhancement Systems
] >ASSHOLES The Model of the Modern Major Manager's Mangement Tool! 
] >Posix Compliant, Xwindow InterOperable, A Unix Standard!


I don't mind you nicking my stuff,
just keep the attribution line on it....

ciao
drieux


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From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Followup-To: alt.politics.libertarian
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:19:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.212154.16895@oracle.us.oracle.com> akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:
>>All I did was post on the NET that IBM's PC/RT was an abortion.  Not enough
>>reason to fire someone.
>"Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian."

Couldn't find anything intelligent and relevant to say, Adam?  Save
yourself an embarassment and don't reply.

If you disagree with Libertarian views, argue them in the apropriate forum.

-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
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