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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Sultan/Agong
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:11:16 GMT

fajack@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: > 
: 	The sultan/agong has never command loyalty from Malaysians.  For the
Maybe not from racist chinese but to an ordinary chinese, there is no difference
between a Malay king and a Chinese emperor. They are both strangers and yet
have power.

: Malays maybe, but not the Chinese.  The Chinese look at the Sultan as a way to
: get honor such as "Datuk" etc.  Do you respect an institution that can be

I wonder why they really bother? Are you saying they are more stupid than you
are?

: bribed ?  Maybe it is ok to support one Agong, but nine Sultans ? C'mon, give us

How about governeres, yang di pertuan negeris, the chief ministers of all the
states?
	You are obviously out of touch with the intention of a FEDERAL SYSTEM.

: a break.  As for the symbol of unity, we never have one, most probably will 
: never get one.  Badminton ? nah, football, Yes !! 
: 	
: 	It is a good thing that Mahathir takes on the Sultans. If UMNO doesn't,
: nobody in Malaysia can have a say in this.   The demise of the Sultans
: (permature perhaps) will not mean more power to the government, afterall, the 
: Sultans have no real political power.  The interference on the judiciary in
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The sultans are never political but is political power the only form of POWER.  : past did pose a threat to the "democracy" in Malaysia.
You may  wonder why that happen but then you do not have inside information.
  
: Jack Teh

: 	

: 	

: > 

: > 	The sultans/agong derive their income from the government, and the
: > government has the power to amend the constitution.   Therefore, while
: > the agong/sultans are suppose to keep an eye on the government's action,
: > I think it is also the government's responsibility to keep the sultan's
: > actions under check.  
: > 
: > 	I am curious what actions Dr. M has taken before this incident
: > to pursuade the sultans to re-think their own behavior ( and to discipline
: > those in their families ).  Perhaps if the sultans were earlier threatened 
: > [again, please pardon the word] with what has happened recently, things 
: > would have been different ?     I don't know, I am just guessing ....

: > 	Daulat Tuanku.
: > 
: > 
: > whay.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asean:9243 soc.culture.singapore:433
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Fire burns on Drifting supertanker
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:01:07 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

FIRE BURNS ON DRIFTING SUPERTANKER
----------------------------------

dated 25 January 1993

Tugs and firefighting vessels battled through the weekend to control a
fire onboard the Maersk Navigator, a 255,000 tonne, fully laden
supertanker drifting between the Indonesian island of Sumatra and the
Indian Nicobar Islands.

A spokesman for the ship's owners yesterday claimed that "Extensive
cooling of the vessel's hull is taking place and realistically it should
be possible to extinguish the fire within the next 72 hours."

The ship's Danish owners yesterday said "a few tens of tonnes per hour"
of crude oil was leaking from the vessel, and a narrow 15 mile slick of
oil had been sighted.
From: 004844m@axe.acadiau.ca (NORLAILY MAHAYUDDIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NO soc.culture.malaysia
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:59:05 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1993Jan25.153301.81284@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad) writes:
>From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
>Subject: NO soc.culture.malaysia
>Date: 25 Jan 93 15:33:01 GMT

>Hi!  I say NO to soc.culture.malaysia

>hra2@lehigh.edu

and why not.....?
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Lexus?
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:22:39 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan25.154639.12584@jho.com>, john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
> 
> I saw many, many Proton in KL when I was there last year.  BTW, some
> taxi driver in KL told me there are only two Lexus LS400 there and they cost
> US$250,000.  Can someone verify that info?  Also, what is the policy 
> of importing vehicles like Lexus to Malaysia?  Just a random thought. :) 

	The last time I heard, there were supposed to be four...  Pres of
Toyota, Mahathir, Pres of Shell (or some other oil Co.) and Sultan of one of
the northen states.  M$400,000 a pop.
	Policy on importing, find out the tax rate first.  It's like 150% on
the first M$30,000 for a "non-luxury" car.  Lexus is a luxury car.  Best thing
is to write to the M'sian Customs and Excise dept.
	Enjoy enjoy.  Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:37:48 GMT

In article <108632@bu.edu>, amir@bigbird.bu.edu (Amir Samad) writes:
>
>|> >Anyone who accuses of wrong doing EVERYONE in a group, is as guilty as the
>|> >wrong doers. You must be specific and have proofs especially with 
>|> >zina(adultery). Have you seen with your own eyes that they are doing it.
>|> 
>|> 	Hey, I did specifically say "flirting", not fornication.  
>|> Watch my words carefully, you idiot. 
>|> 
>|> >In ISLAM, flirting with women is not a crime proviced they be turned into
>|> 
>|> 	Not a crime? Did the Quran not say, "do not go NEAR zina"
>|> (wala taqrabus zina).  I wonder what did you do to your wife before
>|> you marry her...
>
>In the Quran, there are a lot of instances where you have to use intelligent
>interpretation. Flirting a crime? My my! I suppose when I decide I want to
>get married, I'll have to grab a girl by the hair and say "marry me!" 
>Flirting is by no means "getting close to zina". Do not hold a "holier
>than thou" attitude just because you do not flirt. (Disclaimer: this does
>not imply I flirt :)

	There are ways to get to know a woman. Many, many ways. Use intelligent
perception? 

>
>|> 
>|> >wives. This flirting not only occurs among royalty.
>|> >
>|> 
>|> 	Agreed. As in your case, one did not  have be a royalty to
>|> be an idiot.
>|> 
>|> >
>|> >--
>|> >Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>|> >Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>|> >Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>|> >Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>|> >
>
From: tan@cae.wisc.edu (Chee Tan)
Subject: Re: Semiconductor Industry Park in Penang, Malaysia
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:22:50 CST

In article <liew.727769896@femto.engr.mun.ca> liew@pico.engr.mun.ca (Lou Tattwah Liew) writes:
>Hello World
>
>I'm working a paper on Semiconductor Industry Park in Penang, Malaysia.
>Anybody who has informations on the type, size and basic characteristics
>of the industry, its location, the timing of its construction and its
>operational life or knows where to reach them, please write me!
>
>
>Lou
>liew@jeeves.engr.mun.ca
>

If anyone has the informations above, please mail me as well, I wish to
know. Thank you!
Happy Chinese New Year! Is your New Year's Eve dinner any good? Tell me 
what you all ate.

Tan, Chee-Yan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Thiam S. Khaw)
Subject: Re: M'sia Embassy Add. - Correction
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:04:46 GMT

THIS IS THE CORRECT LIST NOW. SOrry for the mixed up in the newsgroup.



For those Malaysian out there, here is the Malaysian Embassy of Consulate General Address. This is correct at the time of printing, from the materials that I got it from....
 
AUSTRALIA
High Commission of Malaysia
7, Perth Avenue, Yarralumla,
Canberra, A.C.T. 2600
australia.
Tel: (602) 731-543/5

CANADA
High Commission of Malaysia
60, Boteler Street,
Ottawa, Ontario KIN 8Y7,
Canada.
Tel: (613)237-5182/3/4

CHINA, People's Republic
Embassy of Malaysia
13, Dong Zhi Menwei Dajie, San Li, Tun,
Beijing,  People'e Republic of China.
Tel: 522-531/3

GERMANY
Embassy of Malaysia
Mittelstr. 43,
5300 Bonn 2
Germany.
Tel: (0228)37-68-03-06

HONG KONG
Commission of Malaysia in Hong Kong
24th Floor Malaysia Building
50 Gloucester Road, Wanchai
HOng KOng
tel:5-270921

INDIA
High Commission of Malaysia
50M Satya Marg, CHanakyapuri,
New Delhi - 110021
India.
Tel: 601291/2/6/7

Office of the Assistant High Commissioner of Malaysia
No. 228 T.T.K. Road
Madras 600 018
Tel: 453580, 453599

NEW ZEALAND
High Commission of Malaysia
10, Washington Avenue,
Brooklyn, Wellington.
NZ
Tel: 852439/852019

SINGAPORE
HIgh Commission of Malaysia
301 Jervois Road
Singapore 1024
Singapore.
Tel: 2350111

UNITED KINGDOM (Including Ireland)
High Commission of Malaysia
45 Belgrade Square,
London SW1X 8QT
Tel: 01-235-8033

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Embassy of Malaysia
2401 Massachussets Avenue N.W.
Washington D.C. 20008
Tel: 202-328-2700

Consulate General of Malaysia
350 South Figueroa St.
SUite 400
Los Angeles, California 90071-1203
Tel: 213-621-2991/4

Consulate General of Malaysia
Two GRand Central tower,
140 E. 45th. Street,
43rd Floor,
New York, NY 10017
tel: 212-490-2722/3

Consulate General of Malaysia
875 North Michigan Avenue Suite #4101
Chicago, ILL 60611
(312) 280-9632


********* UN ********
Permanent Mission of Malaysia to the United Nations
(ADDRESS Same as in New York, USA)
Tel: 212-371-6927

Permanent Mission of Malaysia to the United Nations And Other International Organization
42, Rue de Lausanne,
1201, Geneva
Switzerland.
Tel: (022)32-83-40,  32-10-77


PS: Sorry for the typo errors. 



PSS: IF any of you Malaysian knows that there is a change of address in the country you are currently in. please post the correct address on the newsgroup.
Thanx for your cooperations.
From: 004845m@axe.acadiau.ca (FARA HANIM SHEIKH MUHAMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:07:15 GMT
Organization: Acadia University



>        A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
>animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
>their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.

i  agree.
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:07:49 GMT
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

In article <1993Jan26.123601.7479@gw.wmich.edu>, x92raja1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	We must understand how long ago that our Prime Minister wanted to
>abolish the rulings of the Sultans and Kings. Bit by bit he is deterioting
>the powers of the Sultans just because some of them have showed obliviences
>towards him as the PM. 
>	I've heard of these plans before, a few years ago, but the PM did
>not manage to get hold of all of the Sultans point of views. Now that no
>one in the cabinet has dared to oppossed the new ruling on our existing
>Sultans, nobody will, as far as anyone can see.
>	It is true that Sultans should not interfere with our country's
>economic policy and the way our country is safe-guarding against any
>outside intervention. But we should still keep Sultans as the head of
>man, country, and it's religion. And we should still look up to them in 

	Many of the Sultans have been deserting religion in their 
practice. To say that they are the head of religion is to say that
earth is flat.

>many a way, and respect as we have done before, in the early decades.
>	It is also true that some privileges should be considered in the
>near future, but I have also seen that some people who are related to the
>Sultan, taking big privileges. I say, take away privileges other then the
>Sultan and his family (i.e. his sons and daughters), to the ones who are 
>not closely related to him.
>	Of course, it is easier said then done, but if anyones the head of
>the government should and would be able to see that, our Sultans are still
>borned with a sense of respect and honor. But I've also understood the way

	A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.

>some of our Sultans behaving misdeamourningly. That, I really don't under-
>stand. And that is the way what our PM has done to strip their immunity of
>the law. I feel that something of that sort should've been done some years
>back, and it has be done. If no one can stand against Sultans, when rights
>have been strip of backs of commoners and countrymen, I don't see
>why Sultans shouldn't be given a sense of common of their own.
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, IN INDIA
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:42:41 GMT

Too liberal with the capslock key don't you think?

People who need to shout to say something turn me off.

BTW Romans invented Christianity? That's news to me.

If this thing were universal, why are all the examples Christian
related?

I would be interested in the source of this message. What's the point
here?

jin meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (A. Yu            )
Subject: Re: soc.culture.singapore is up!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:36:18 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1993Jan15.053216.11488@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY) writes:
>: Hey! Does anyone agree that SBC actress Pan LingLing is the prettiest ?
>: How ? Never seen her before....donno how she looks like....why not post
>: a GIF image ? :) 
>: 
>:       Somebody can post some GIFs of SBC actress and actors.
>: 
>
>Unfortunately, I believe both NUS and NTU do not have a scanner for
>students to post GIF files to the net.
>
>Maybe those working in private companies may offer to do it?

Aiyo!!!
Both NUS and NTU are soooo... rich, they should buy at least one of these
gadgets! One such basic scanners won't cost that much!
Hope the authorities can think about installing one.  8-)
ta-ta!
Al...
-- 
   _, /|,                Name    : Albert Yu                               
   \ o.O                 
   =(___)=               Email	: yu@plains.nodak.edu	
      U
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Ramos ends telecoms monopoly
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:41:33 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

Ramos ends telecommunication monopoly in Philippines.
----------------------------------------------------

President Fidel Ramos yesterday confirmed he had ordered the end of a
monopoly by the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co (PLDT) by
authorising competitors to operate in the country, Reuter reports from
Manila.

He said he had made the order after learning that in Manila alone about
600,000 telephone applications had been pended for years.

Ms Josefina Lichauco, undersecterary of the Dept of transportation and
Communications, said recently she remained determined to break telephone
monopoly by allowing interconnection of services.

PLDT accounts for 94 per cent of the Philippines telephone market. 
Companies wanting to compete have found it difficult to operate because
of high cost of laying down their own networks and PLDT's resistance to
interconnection.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Happy New Year
From: S942915@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 21:48:45 CST
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS
NNTP-Posting-Host: umslvma.umsl.edu

       To those of you, guys and gals......
 
           HAPPY NEW YEAR
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: scm
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa


		About scm,, I've found yet another supporting argument(yes, 
clever, clever me). In scm, if we want to post in BM, no one can
object us, since it is s.c.malaysia. If we were to stay in this crummy
old sca then one utterance of the dreaded BM would surely generate
some flame.

	Look at a.c.indonesia, s.c.turkish and others. What can be better than
that? Your own newsgroup. Your very, very, own newsgroup. Something
uniquely yours. Something you can relate to. Something you(now
picture a finger pointing at you).

		Enough said.
From: wslee@almond-frost.ai.mit.edu (Whay Sing Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: What about the Agong?  [was: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments]
Followup-To: soc.culture.asean
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:44:21 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: almond-frost.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan27.044758.4972@keisu-s.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>, chuah@sail-ss2.cc.u-tokyo.JUNET (Chuah Yeow Chiang) writes:

|> 	Just wondering, why should the kings/rulers be given the immunity towards
|> law. If they are not planning/tempting to do anything against the law, what
|> difference will it make? Or is there anything that's against the law that they
|> have to do to be a king/ruler?(or, to be respected,..) 
|> 
|> This is not restricted to the Sultans in Malaysia, but all the rulers of the 
|> world. And it's out of pure curiosity, no insults intended.

	on that note, can anyone tell us if the Agong still has the power
to pardon law-breakers?    And does the Agong still have the privileges
that were strip off the sultans ?


whay.
p/s: let's keep this thread out of soc.asean.singapore,  I think some of our 
neighbours are getting annoyed ...
From: bk140@cleveland.freenet.edu (Durian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Talking about incoherence....  :)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:50:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asean
Organization: Big Green

hehehe..... :)

Can't stop smiling when you see someone jumping around trying to say that
everyone else is wrong.  Pak Othman, I am trying very hard but still can 
not understand what you points are, who you are supporting and all that 
stuff.....   

Please don't jump on me and say that I accuse you of anything; just state
your stand point, would you?  I find it hard to discuss with you when your
opinions vary from post to post.  I hope you are not arguing just for the
fun of it.

I personally do not like the way these priviledge business is being
stripped
by the government although I think the rulers who abuse their priviledges
should be restrained.  One thing that is clear is we would not see what 
is happening now if Mahathir is happy with the Sultans.  That's 
how politics is played I guess....

----
Me,

From a pseudo-Artic town in New Hampshire.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: NO soc.culture.malaysia NO NO NO
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:59:59 GMT

In article <C184n0.Ar1@news.iastate.edu>, txb31@isuvax.iastate.edu (Albert K.T.Tan) writ
>
>	Therefore, all the articles should have the following subjects next
>time.
>
>	ASEAN : ...
>	INDONESIA : ...
>	MALAYSIA : ...
>	SINGAPORE : ...
>	THAILAND : ...
>	...

	That is the prime reason why I ran away from bit.listserv.seasia-l.
They were so many news from countries that even a forsaken land is a
better place that it become increasingly annoying to browse through a
directory. 

>
>	If a reader is only insterested in Singapore, then he or she just
>simply selects subjects with 'SINGAPORE.'
>
>	This will work better than seperating the newsgroup.
>

	Easy for you if you have proper news editor. But for those
with pathetic system might disagree wholeheartedly with you.

>	You may think this won't work very well. Well, if you subscribe some
>newsgroups like alt.binaries.pictures, you will find that a organized
>subject is better than the different newsgroups. 
>

	Does not making specific newgroup would better organize the
flow of articles? Oh, maybe finding news you want scattered here and
there in a newsgroup making you look good sitting in front of a computer?


>	Besides, just see how messy of comp.forsale.computer.others,
>comp.forsale.computer.pc.clone newsgroups is after they have been seperated
>from comp.forsale.computer.
>

	Again, your own logic perverted your stand.

>
>	Again, I say NO for creating of soc.culture.malaysia.
>
>	PLEASE VOTE FOR ---NO---
>	NO! NO! NO!      

	Your vote here doesn' count. Hah! You think you know everything...

>
>Albert K.T.Tan
>
>   / \\\\ / E-Mail : txb31@isuvax.iastate.edu /  Computer Science Major    /
>  / * *  /          kianteck@iastate.edu     /  --------*****---------    /
> /  ^   / Voice  : (515) 294 2575           /  Stalker House Committee   /
>/  @   /                                   /  Nickell 311 Stalker       /
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Help needed for FAQ...
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:41:20 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University


Hiya,
	Uh, this is directed more of you with free time and knows a bit about
NEWS and FAQs...  If any of you remember, I volunteered to start the FAQ?  Uh,
I got lotsa mail, but didn't have time to put it together.  It's all in one
directory in my mail folder...  If there be anyone, who so noble, who so brave
and valiant (and have lotsa free time too!) and would like to help me out...
give me a ring.  Uh, I would do it myself, except that I really don't have time
(first time I read news in 5 weeks, and you all know how often I read news
before that, don't you?? *grin* :)).  In fact, writing this as I work... :) :)
	*sigh*  Monster schedule from hell!  8am to 9pm schedule... (looking
for symphathy points... :) :)) otherwise, I'd do it myself.
	If you would like to help out, basically you'd be starting from brand
new mails (ie, I didn't have a chance to start it).  You just have to take out
the headers and sigs and stick like minded mails together.
	Thanx for any volunteers.  Ciao.

-Tai "who does not know when's the next time he'll be on news again... *sigh*"
From: khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Anjing Tupai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian Embassy Address
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:09:51 GMT
Organization: Sangamon State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

To those interested Malaysian who want to knows the Malaysian Embassy and Consulate General addresses in USA.

Embassy of Malaysia
1900 24th. Street N.W.
Washington D.C. 20008
(202) 328-2770


Consulate General of Malaysia
875 North Michigan Avenue Suite #4101
Chicago, ILL 60611
(312) 280-9632


Consulate General of Malaysia
350 South Figueroa Street #400
Los Angeles, CA  90071
(213) 621-2991


PS: Information is taken from MACEE pamphlets. Correct at the time the pamphlet is distributed to all Malaysian students who are going to study in USA. -- May 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: A bedtime story
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:57:49 GMT

Niny Khor (nkhor@MtHolyoke.edu) wrote:

: It is not clear how did evolution started nor when. But one fact is clear
: --the Kingdom of Monera has dominated the world for2.5 billion years --
: but look where they are today. Man might dominate for the next few
: centuries but the future is hard to predict. Tolerance and co-operation
                                               ^^^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tolerance is to be able to withstand criticism.
Co-operation is to help the weak.

: are the keys to mutual survival. So please be done with flames !
By removing the flames you have not show any tolerance towards criticism.
Maybe it were extinct because there are no flames!







: My opinions are mine alone,

: Niny Khor.
:  


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean