From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:50:30 GMT

In article <Bz81LA.6tH@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

# In article <Bz0nzL.ICM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A
# Shnekendorf) writes:

# |>>I just remember what a mass it became when the Rabbi was about to loose his 
# |>>american passport, some years ago...

# |>>Why is an advocate of "all jews to israel" so keen about keeping his
# |>american
# |>>citizenship? Couldn't he visit america as a proud citizen of Israel? 

# |>Probably to make his frequent travel to the U.S. easier.  What is the point
# |>of
# |>this argument?  Are you trying somehow to prove that since Kahane had dual 
# |>citizenship he didn't really advocate all Jews to Israel?

# |>>Wasnt it A PART OF THE PROBLEM that too many jews had other citizenships?

# |>no.
 
# Since Israel is the only nationality which the US allows it's citizens to aquire
# without losing US citizenship there has always been a problem with American
# imigrants to Israel who were quite happy to vote for an extreemist line but
# always knew that they had a safe bolthole to run to if things got nasty.
 
	This is not true.  An American citizen can become a citizen of any
other country without losing his American citizenship per say just
because they became a citizen of that other country.  Now the country
that the person becomes a citizen of may have some requirements for
becomming a citizen (i.e. giving up US citizenship) that would result
in the loss of US citizenship, but without those additonal steps there
can be no loss of American citizenship.

	Congress may have passed a law that says by becomming a citizen of
another state you lose your American citizenship, but the US Supreme
Court has ruled that unconstitutional.

# There are a number of countries from which it is possible to aquire US
# citizenship without loosing the original citizenship though. The UK for example
# does not recognise renunciation of citizenship if it was required to aquire
# another citizenship.

	Just curious, but what if they join a foreign army?

# Personaly I think that the descrepancy should be fixed, but in favour of giving
# everybody the same rights. If someone has one parent who is a British national
# and another who is a US national then it seems resonable to allow them to chose
# to spend a period of say ten years living in Europe, go back to the US, for a
# few years, return to Europe etc without having the petty nationalists sticking
# their noses into the issue. This is of course what heppens in practice but the
# rules are different.

# The rules for the likes of Kahane though should be different. If someone is
# banging on the nationalist drum then they should at least ensure that they know
# which nationalist drum they are banging. Cynical politicians like Kahane who
# exploit and play on xenophobia should be held accountable to their own standards
# that they set. 

# Kahane having a US passport was a bit like "Oral" Roberts having extramarital
# affairs, not so much something to bring the man down but for the public image
# that the man created of himself.

	The Rabbi needed his American citizenship in order to be allowed
to speak and raise money here.  Other countries had him barred, and
citizenship was his only gaurantee of being allowed in the US.

# Personaly I think that Kahane might as well have been working in the pay of
# Saudi Arabia or some other foreign power, for all the damage that his campagins
# did for Israel's image abroad. Rumour has it that old Nick is planning to chain
# ARF to him when he finaly pops his clogs...

	Whatever...
--
"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
that pleases you."

From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>