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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:58:00 EDT
From:         ERICSOPM@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: serious discussion of sin

Peter Giordano,

You write of the recent postings that "half of them are
from the same two or three people making wisecracks at
each other," and that "most of them lately" have been from kjf.

The log from 21 Jul 17:42 to 26 Jul 19:40 [EDT]
recorded 118 messages, with the following 13 people
contributing more than two messages each:

12 From:   FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
10 From:   PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
 9 From:   Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
 5 From:   Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
 5 From:   CLERC@GENESEO.BITNET
 4 From:   "William P. Oppel, Jr. (Billy)" <S70762OW@ETSUACAD.BITNET>
 4 From:   the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
 4 From:   Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
 4 From:   Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
 3 From:   "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
 3 From:   Laura Hayes Burchard <lhb6v@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
 3 From:   "George V. Chastain" <U0E53@WVNVM.BITNET>
 3 From:   Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>

So kjf does hold a plurality though hardly a majority. And
in a very close 3-way race, we find Steve Portigal in second...
and you, Peter, in third.

Phil
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:14:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: "The Player" green things
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I thought it was breath mints too but I can't remember what made me think
so.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:42:37 EDT
From:         Michael Hurt <ST101700@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: labels=censorship?

Hey, will somebody teach me how to repost other people's lines in a post so tha
t people will know what I am talking about? Also, I think Sue made some good po
ints in her response to my post, but unfortunately, I don't know how to read a
post so I can refer to things as wellas type, partly a reason for my incoherenc
e. I was actually disagreeing w/someone I pretty much agree with in the first p
lace. The point of this post, actually is to adress someone who thought I was v
oting for Bush again, as I was complaining aboutTipper Gore: I am voting Dem, a
ll the way. Like someone said before, just picking the person least unqualified
 for the job. You know how it is. But Clinton is a VERY smart man, and he seems
 like he isn't as full of hot air as the rest of some political candidates I kn
ow. I think he will really try, which is why I'm voting for him. ---Mike (at Br
own)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:36:57 PDT
From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Blockbuster & edited versions

If someone will refer me to a movie that might just offend the religious,
I'll rent it at Blockbuster and check out whether or not it's been cut.
I'm not overtly religious, offend with some difficulty, and would like to
know if this IS Blockbuster's policy.  If so, I'm in search of a new
rental place.

Who defines racy, by the way?
                                 Joan
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:54:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      MultiSpoiler

Rosebud was his sled.
Rhett leaves her.
Michael becomes the new Godfather.
The jackal doesn't kill DeGaulle.
Beckett is murdered in the Cathedral.
It turns out to be a dream.
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      *new* material on "censorship"

REPLY TO 07/28/92 13:45 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": *new* material on "censorship"

       I don't mind video stores carrying edited versions of "racy "
       films just as long as they also carry the unedited versions and
       both versions are clearly marked.

       Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:12:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Re: The Star Wars mentality
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Of course, Sturgeon's Rule does apply across the board.  Therefore,
98% of kjf's posts are crap.  Which still leaves a hell of a lot of
syllables.

I assume this statement will be quickly dismissed, being 98% crap.

Geez, there goes all the discussions around here :-)

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> ...if it weren't for a handful of artists with enough clout
>to get their work financed ... and the many lesser-known or
>up-and-coming independents ...  there wouldn't be anything
>American worth watching.

True, I'd say ... but hardly a post-Star-Wars phenomenon.
Has there ever been a time when we didn't rely on a handful
of bright lights to supply all the good stuff? Were there
much more than a handful of genuine artists at any given
time before 1977? Not to my recollection.

Remember Theodore Sturgeon's Rule: 98% of everything is crap.

This applies across the board, democratically, to literature,
theatre, cinema, TV, music, dance, etc. etc. But it's the
mass media that take the rap, because bad stuff and good stuff
alike are paraded constantly before us...not tucked away in
a gallery or a shop.

>The rating system didn't ruin Hollywood...it was Star Wars.

Hollywood is always being ruined by something, the same way
Broadway is always "dying." Yet they survive, and even manage
to please us every now and then.

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:03:43 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Previews.... June 1992.

Bill--Congratulations on Previews' stellar first run.  Very enjoyable and
informative.  Can hardly wait until next month!
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:47:00 CDT
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Censorship and comics

Mike,

Thanks for clarifying that business about censorship in comics.  I had
heard some reference to it before, but I wasn't sure what it entailed.
Although I read comics as a kid, I don't remember that stuff going on.
I agree with you, it's always aggravating to have someone else make
decisions about what you should or should not be reading.  It's hard for
me to believe that the average american consumer will tolerate any
restrictions on his or her voracious appetite for self-gratification.

To me, it seems as if the marketplace will ultimately determine
the fate of the entertainment industry and its products.  I think
democracies by their very nature will go through cycles of moral
repression followed by periods of gluttony.  Maybe it's the puritanical
heritage in our gene pool... we insist on our pleasures at the cost of
wearing a bad conscience.  I may be wrong, but it's my impression that
the movie industry taken as a whole-- including the many small
independents, products made for network or cable, and the video market--
is very robust.  We may lament that a blockbuster mentality pervades
Hollywood, but there is an astonishing variety of films available to the
public.  True, much of it is mediocre pulp.  But even in a relatively
small market, it is still possible to locate quality product.  One
encouraging sign is the emergence of young, black film directors who are
now getting the opportunity to display their talents with a different
perspective and consciousness than say a Steven Spielberg or John
Hughes.  Also, though this is a slightly different point, the video
market has taken some of the strain off the make/or break success at the
box office.  Films that do poorly in the theatre will have a second life
on video.  This gives us a chance to see many films that otherwise would
simply end up in the vault.  In short, despite the problems of a "burn
the books, ban the records" mentality among some individuals, or a
bottom-line profits attitude from producers, there are still movies
being made that nourish the soul and keep us coming back for more.

j-man
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:43:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Addressing the camera

Any number of Bergman's characters talk to the camera...

...therefore so do some of Woody Allen's

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From:         CAMPBEWJ@SDELVB.BITNET
Subject:      test list

Testing distribution list. Someone send. Willy J
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:01:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Michael Douglas

>Any chance Michael can be the first inductee
>into PABLM's teeth-clenched Hall of Fame?

Douglas the Younger must have had his teeth clenched throughout
CHINA SYNDROME, in which he consistently pronounces NUCLEAR
as NUKE-YA-LER.

Was this a clever bit of characterization or just a mistake?
The question has haunted my dreams for fifteen years. There's
one way to tell -- find out if he says REELA-TER for REALTOR.

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:25:00 EST
From:         CLERC@GENESEO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Tipper and Co.

From: FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
>
>>I think that "dysfunctional family" is redundant...
>
>Not to mention tautological and pleonastic. (Take *that,* W.F. Buckley...)
>
>"Nuclear family" always sounds inadvertantly belligerent to me. Come
>to think of it, maybe that's the point. It does suggest interesting
>alternatives, though: how about "fissionable family?"

        Ahem...would "fisherable" be more appropriate for you...?

                8-)

                                Sue
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:44:59 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Vincent and Theo
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Has anyone see Robert Altman's film "Vincent and Theo"?  If so, I'd like to
hear some comments....it's playing in town and I'm thinking about going.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:50:00 EDT
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Fisher, cultural illiteracy, stream-of consciousness

>>that you have no business teaching undergrads *anything*
>>about communicating with words.

>             you're right                           I guess
>I'd feel better           if      somebody
>                                                     like Faulkner
>                                       was to teach our
>young persons                       to                 communicate
>       with                   words,                     they talk
>fine            you know?

Is that what you meant?

By the way, it, the paragraph, I mean, didn't have enough, you know,
commas.


Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:41:00 EST
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Previews....

|Bill, the first issue is great -- let me know when you interview secretaries.
|
|I heard on the local news this morning that they will be filming *The Firm*
|here in Memphis based on the novel of the same name by John Grisham.  I've
|yet to read the book - plan to - but wondered if anyone has heard anything
|further.  Actually, I missed the actual newspot, just caught the teaser.  It's
|hard to sit and listen to the news when you're getting ready for work and
|you live in a zoo ... Marci Hendrix

The book is excellent!  In the book, the tqo characters are men, in the movie
the assistant will be played by Merryl Streep.

P.S.    Bill, the Previews... were great keep 'em comming!

                           ______
  Gary Graffagnino         \    /   "Are you lookin at me?
  accgsg@hofstra.bitnet     \  /     Are you lookin at me?
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:40:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      serious discussion of sin
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I gererally don't mind the meandering discussions on this list - I've gotten
some interesting trivia, some good recommendations for films, and there
are quite a few folks on this list who have put out thought provoking and
insightful essays - And now we have that enormous "magazine" online - There
are several items there "worthy" of discussion - I do notice that lately
I've had between 60 to 100 messages a day and about half of them are from
the same two or three people making wisecracks at each other - Maybe kjf &
Co. could be convinced to send their jokes directly to each other rather
than to the list - I wonder why kjf would show the postings on this
list to his collegues since most of them lately have been from him _ I also
wonder as did someone else what exactly kjf claims to be teaching - Finally
I wonder if he has tenure.

So has anybody seen UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD yet?
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:56:31 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Howard's End

Anybody have anything to say about _Howard's End_?
I'm thinking about seeing it on the big screen, contrary to my
usual (thrifty) practice of waiting for everything to come out
on video, and I wonder if it'll be worth it.

--Anjani
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From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Re: worthy adaptations
              18 Jul 1992 13:52:49 -0400 from Tanya Augsburg
              <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>

From:  Mary Shaffer
      Assistant to the Vice President
      Information Systems
Tanya, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" was directed by Mike Nichols.

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:30:38 EDT
From:         "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee,
              Eugene)" <YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      Film beef on CBS News (SPOILER about _Fatal Attraction_)

Did anyone see the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather last night?  There was a
segment on restoring previously-cutted scenes into a movie.  _Fatal Attraction_
is now released with both the ending audiences saw (Glenn Close, thought
drowned, jumps up in the tub) and the original ending Adrian Lyne had intended
(Glenn Close graphically slitting her neck with knife).  Director James
Cameron and Peter Bogdanovich were also interviewed, because they restored and
expanded some scenes, respectively, in _Aliens_ and _The Last Picture Show_.

It's said that consumers can now program their laserdisc players with any
scenes or ending they wish to play.

Despite the extra footage, film critic Leonard Maltin says it's a bad idea,
because, I quote, "it's like re-painting a Van Gogh."  He goes on to state
that this sort of action takes away (or ruin) the original piece of work.
Audiences will not be able to distinguish which is the original and which is
the restored.

But Cameron argues that audiences want more in a film (Twentieth Century Fox
requested _Aliens_ be shortened to the 2 hour, 17 minute version we know; the
extra footage aired on network television would have made it almost 3 hours,
as Cameron originally had intended).  Bogdanovich argues that it gives
director a second chance at improvement.

Finally, this process was compared to other film beefs as the colorization of
black & white films, and the editing of films for profanity and time
constraints.

Any comments on this?

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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:28:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: worthy adaptations
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CASABLANCA was based on a failed play called EVERYBODY GOES TO RICK'S
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:48:00 EST
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Oh! What a lovely war!

|I have been trying to get hold of a video of this film for quite a while.
| Enquires to video stores and art cinemas have led no-where. Does anyone have
| any useful info about this film, eg;
|
|Director?
|Label?
|Distributor?

The only info I have on this movie is the following:

Director: Richard Attenborough
Writer  : Len Deighton
(If you don't already know)
Starring: Jane Seymore, Len Deighton, Maggie Smith, Lawrence Olivier, Vanessa
          Redgreave et al.

Hope this help,
                           ______
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  accgsg@vaxc.hofstra.edu    \/              -Val Kilmer (Real Genius)
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:56:53 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Multiple Laserdisc endings

I would like to conjecture that the horror Maltkin experiences at the
thought of multiple endings stems from the common but not universal
post-Romantic assumption of organic unity in a work of art.

The example he gives about Van Gogh is particularly telling.  Many painters,
(most, in my experience) paint and repaint their canvases if they are
accessible.  Why shouldn't a director alter scenes?  Why shouldn't a
novelist reissue an altered version of a previous work, as I understand
Robert Coover plans to do with _The Public Burning_?

Because It Bothers Us.

Repainting Van Gogh, to use Maltkin's analogy?  Not quite.  The original
remains more or less intact (intact physically, but subject to new interps),
as I assume the movies could too.  You want the first ending?  You got it.
You want the second ending?  That's there too.

Back to repainting Van Gogh, then:  WHAT ELSE DO ARTISTS DO BUT REMAKE
THE PAST?  Sorry for shouting, but writers always rewrite other writers.
Sorry Leonard, I'll take the multiple option.

It's like literary translation, or performance of theatre pieces:  there's
always someone crying about it as if they are ugly excrescences, instead of
the genuine life and survival of a work.

Besides, why leave all that space empty on the disc?  And hey, didn't Joyce
change Finnegans Wake right up till it was typeset, just as he did with
_Ulysses_?  (Fisher, you might want to check your Cliff Notes on that one.)

Rick Francis  <C47805NF@WUVMD>
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:36:50 EDT
From:         Steven Feldman <AR402004@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      4th OUTER LIMITS Marathon on TNT Saturday Night!
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Dear People,
     On Saturday, July 25th, the Ted Turner-owned cable station TNT will
air its 4th OUTER LIMITS Marathon.  Note that TNT will be showing nine
episodes uncut in 65 min. slots (the added 5 mins. is to allow for the
few minutes longer running time that old shows had).  Here's the
schedule that appeared in my local cable guide:

 8:00pm  "The Man with the Power"
 9:10pm  "The Borderland"
10:15pm  "The Premonition"
11:20pm  [not specified in my cable guide]
12:25am  "The Galaxy Being"
 1:30am  "The Children of Spider County"
 2:35am  "It Crawled Out of the Woodwork"
 3:40am  "Keeper of the Purple Twilight"
 4:45am  "The Brain of Colonel Barham"

     By the way, "Keeper of the Purple Twilight" features a character
very much like Mr. Spock on STAR TREK: a coldly logical alien with
pointy ears who has trouble understanding humans . . . and this was in
*1965*, folks!
     For those with cable who get TNT, enjoy!  8)

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