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From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:17:26 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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X-XXDate: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.212807.28306@eng.umd.edu> George B. Clark,
georgec@eng.umd.edu writes:
>Animal-rights activists should be participating at talk.politics.animals,
>but a few rebels prefer rec.food.veg, instead.

A rebel? Moi :-) That's a first. I'll be out there carrying a placard
yet...

I did post in t.p.a, not a single response.  As I have said elsewhere,
r.f.v is a far better forum with a wider range of interests and
expertise, at least - so it seems to me. So I posted in both places. And
I was right in one thing: I got more responses here. As to their
usefulness? Well .... :-)

Sorry if I upset anyone. I find that, being relatively new to vegan
vegetariansim, there is a magnificant connection between this lifestyle
and animals - I revel in it, even if I am not sure I understand it. I
presume that as time passes, this new found emotion will die and I will
just post recipes.  

  \   |   /
-  NOT -
  /  |   \

In the meantime: A Very Merry Holiday to y'all

Lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: 900082m@ace.acadiau.ca (KATHLEEN MCLEAN)
Subject: panir mystery solved
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:19:40 GMT

	Thanks to everyone who answered my original panir question.  Very 
helpful, very informative.  To the person who posted the panir omnibus, 
could you email me a copy because I lost the original posting.  Thanks.
	Kathleen
	900082m@max.acadiau.ca
(or at the address at the very top)
From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:49:54 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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X-XXDate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:47:51 GMT

Does anyone know how I can compile a list of companies that manufacture
artificial furs? The idea being to provide an option to anyone who, for
reasons that escape me, might be considering the purchase of the real
thing.

I offer my apologies to anyone finding this posting out of place here.
talk.politics.animals might seem a more appropriate newsgroup but it is
not a forum where I find anything of particular interest going on, r.f.v
group seems to hold opinions and information that is more universal than
t.p.a and it is better presented, so I take the liberty of placing this
post here. I shall also post it to t.p.a and see what happens.

Thanks  - Lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:18:14 GMT

How do cats seem to feel about vegetarian cat food? Are they about as
finicky about it as they are about meat-based cat food? Do they show
any strong preference for one or the other?

(This is just curiosity, since I don't have a cat.)

Nancy Lebovitz
calligraphic button catalogue available by email   (170K)
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

Purranoia--the fear that your cats are up to something
From: jaj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jill A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: ooops sorry
Date: 31 Dec 1992 23:52:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
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EEP....sorry about taht last post.  I didn't mean it to come out like that. 
:) Just learning how to run this darn news reader :) 


Jill
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:14:23 GMT

again, sorry , Abhay!!  Hope that you forgive me.  :)

*j*

--
WE SAIL TONIGHT FOR SINGAPORE - WE'RE ALL AS MAD AS HATTERS HERE!!

*******************Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca***********************
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 14:24:31 GMT

I'd wear fake fur, just because I LOVE how it looks, but I'd NEVER
wear the real thing.  I just believe that "Imitation is the sincerest
form of flattery".  If someone said it was a beautiful fur, I'd take
the opportunity to teach someone that it is possible too wear a
beautiful coat that doesn't hurt anyone.  

I don't have any fake furs for 2 reasons - first, I can't afford a
decent quality coat and second, I have no places to go in such a
formal coat or formal clothes to wear under it (although I guess 
I COULD go naked under a full length "mink" <G>)

Personally, if I could have ANY fake "fur" I'd love a "Siamese" coat 
and matching hat!!!

Clover, mommy of a Siamese in Albany - I wanna match!
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Z
From: leecr@microsoft.com (Lee Crocker)
Subject: Re: Vegetarians or not vegetarians?
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:32:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec17.140124.25249@i88.isc.com> claudiak@i88.isc.com (Claudia Kale (STG)) writes:
>>This is a forum for vegetarian issues. If someone takes a lot of
>>trouble to post a large volume and is not a vegetarian, I would
>>question his/her credibility.
>>
>>Abhay
>
>That is certainly your perogative. But within my experience, being
>a vegetarian does not automatically endow one with "credibility".

Nor does it take into account those like me, who _are_ vegetarians
for health/environmental reasons but are openly contemptuous of the
moralistic dogma that clouds discussion in this group.  As you say,
an argument should stand on its merits, and frankly, the arguments
put forth by non-vegetarians in this group tend to have a lot more
objective scientific support than all the religious justifications
of Abhay and his type.  I still believe vegetarianism is scientifically
justifiable, but there are few in this group who put up valid
arguments of this kind.  Let's keep discussion open.

-- 
Lee Daniel Crocker    | Free minds; free bodies; free trade.
leecr@microsoft.com   | Libertarian Party  1-800-682-1776
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:46:17 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1992Dec27.142431.27963@sarah.albany.edu> la1002@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>I'd wear fake fur, just because I LOVE how it looks, but I'd NEVER
>wear the real thing.  I just believe that "Imitation is the sincerest
>form of flattery".  If someone said it was a beautiful fur, I'd take
>the opportunity to teach someone that it is possible too wear a
>beautiful coat that doesn't hurt anyone.  
>
>I don't have any fake furs for 2 reasons - first, I can't afford a
>decent quality coat and second, I have no places to go in such a
>formal coat or formal clothes to wear under it (although I guess 
>I COULD go naked under a full length "mink" <G>)
>
>Personally, if I could have ANY fake "fur" I'd love a "Siamese" coat 
>and matching hat!!!
>
>Clover, mommy of a Siamese in Albany - I wanna match!
>la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
>Z

I had to look twice at what forum I was reading.  Naked under a full 
length coat - my mind is racing :-)  I live close and I'm a Suny Albany
grad(although a few years ago).

-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401 
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Soyabeans good for heart patients
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:56:11 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University

I got this from Michael Traub, who might have got it from
Ferrell Wheeler.


Extracts  taken  from  the  Lancet,  9  and  16  May,  1992  and Journal of
American Medical Association, 27 May 1992.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Soybeans  have  done  for  heart  patients what a host of drugs and special
diets couldn't.

In  patients  with  kidney  disease, specifically a large amount of protein
in  the  urine,  with  eleveated  cholesterol  levels,  those  consuming  a
vegetarian  soy  diet  for  eight  weeks  experienced  significant falls in
blood  cholesterol  and  in  urinary  protein  excretion.  As  soon as they
returned  to  their normal diets, their blood cholesterol and urine protein
levels returned to what they'd been before.

Accosding  to  the  study,  conducted  by the University of Milan, the "soy
diet  induced  a  moderate  but  significant  reduction  in urinary protein
excretion  that...  could  not  be  attributed to spontaneous improvement."
This   study   has   meaning   for   kidney   patients   whose  cholesterol
abnormalities increase the risk of heart disease.

At  the  same  time  the  Department  of  Clinical Chemistry, University of
Helsinki,  demonstrated  that  the  fact  that  Japanese  women have a much
lower  incidence  of  hot  flushes  and  other menopausal symptoms may have
something to do with the traditional Japanese low-fat diet.

In  studying  the women from a village south of Kyoto the researchers found
the  women  were excreting isoflavanoids, or weak oestrogens, 100-1000-fold
higher than women consuuming a typical western diet.

The  excretion  of  isoflavanoids  in  urine  is associated with eating soy
products such as tofu and miso.

"Such  high  amounts  [of  isoflavanoids]  could  have  biological effects,
especially  in  postmenopausal  women  with low oestrogen levels", said the
report.

Two  other  studies  demonstrated  the values of a vegetable-rich diet. The
Tottori  University  in  Japan  found  that  when  a  young  woman with the
autoimmune  disease  lupus  erythematosus was taken off steroids and placed
on a vegetarian diet, she significantly improved.

Finally  a  study  in  north-easter Italy (International Journal of Cancer:
50:223-229)  found  an  association  between  cancer  of  the colon and the
rectum  and  high  consumption  of  white bread, cheese, eggs and red meat.
The  study  also  found  a  protective  effect  in  a  high  consumption of
carrots, spinach, wholegrain bread and pasta.
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: complete list of plant foods!
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:11:03 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I had read somewhere that there were about 20 or so legumes (at
least basic legumes), 40-50 fruits, 40-50 veggies, and
nine grains.  I didn't meant to ask for every last variation
of basmati rice a d In article <1993Jan1.181720.5834@netcom.com>, artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes:
> THis is a joke, rnd variety of tomato that has ever been 
grown under the sun.  Geez.  I didn't mean to be taken this
literally.

--Andrea

ght?  To do it would take a large-sized book,
> possibly several volumes.  For just beans grown for consumption in
> North America there are several hundred varieties.  Check out any food
> dictionary or specialized food volumes (fruits, beans, vegetables,
> etc) and look at the thousands of listings.  Even in edible seaweed (a
> category with which I have limited familiarity - though I do love the
> stuff) I wouldn't be surprised to find over 40 or 50 kinds (possibly a
> great many more).  A joke, yes?
> 
> --
> Michelle Dick
> artemis@netcom.com
From: zkym02@hou.amoco.com (Keerthi Y. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Stuffing Mushrooms .... HELP!
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:40:04 GMT
Reply-To: zkym02@orl.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

HELP!  I am having a New Years Eve Party and I am planning to serve stuffed mushrooms.
I bought the big mushrooms, so that 2 per person would go a long way.  But now I am
worried they will not cook through.  I am thinking about boiling them first... can
you boil mushrooms without harming them?

My recipe is as follows:

40 Mushrooms Caps washed and peeled (peeled only if I have time)
A few stems chopped finely
1/2 cup onions chopped finely
2 cloves garlic chopped finely
Olive oil to saute the onions
Oregeno, Basil, Salt and Black Pepper to taste
Bread Crumbs
Parmesan Cheese (optional)

Pre-heat oven to 350 degrees.Fry onions, garlic and mushroom stems in olive oil until 
soft but not brown.  Add seasonings and bread crumbs and some parmesan.  Warm thru. 
Stuff mushrooms with bread crumb mixture and place on a greased cookie sheet.  
Sprinkle parmesan cheese on top of mushrooms.  Bake mushrooms 10-15 minute or until 
mushrooms are soft thru.  If parmesan get brown to fast, cover with foil and continue 
baking.

My concern is that the EXTRA LARGE mushrooms will take much longer to cook... I know 
that boiling will speed up the baking time some... but will my mushrooms turn to mush?


Thanks in advance!

Keerthi
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: VEGAN:  Bill's NYE dinner, prelim
From: mad4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Maddex)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:56:52 GMT
Reply-To: mad4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Pranksters for Peace

I'd say something here about the silliness of getting flamed before I've even
typed in the recipes, but you guys can do that for yourselves.  Instead I'll
give you a review and then try to get the first couple recipes in before I get
thrown out of here.

Pre seating:  Wheat berry caviar w/arame bread:

	very well received.  I'd grouse that though there is now good kosher
	carbonated wine I still don't know of a true kosher campagne, but 
	this isn't rec.food.drink.  The stuff we had was pretty good anyway.

Soup:         Carrot and red pepper soup
			

	this was awesome, though having to run in and out of the kitchen 
	meant by the time I got to sit down it was cold.

Appetizer:    Provencal artichoke tarts
	
	ditto-great dish, but cold by the time I got to sit down.  This
	chef biz does have its downside:-)

Sorbet:       Champagne lemon granite

	did clear the palate, but the guests thought it should have been
	sweeter.

Entree:       NY Cima roll  (victim of the traditional Bill screw up, this
			      was good but came partially unrolled, so it
			      didn't looke gorgeous on the plate...sigh)
	      Garbanzo parsnip gnocchi  
	      Brown basmati rice  (victim number two:  I left the pasta in my
				    car which I then lent to someone.  It was
				    a good stop gap solution though.)
	      Heavy tomato sauce (good, though trying to make the presentation
				   nice in light of the above I put too much
				   on the plates)

Salad:        Wide leaf lettuce, rocket and raddichio w/marinated mushrooms
		very well received.

Dessert:      Mocha creme pie
		AWESOME, BRUTAL, WICKED... (As guests began to leave and before
		we started on the dishes I had thirds of this, as did a lot of
		other hangers on.)

OK, now I'll try to get started on the recipes, though my hosts ar about to go
out for breakfast (After finishing the dishes we overindulged).

"You can't tell vegans from omnivores except that they're slimmer and perhaps
smile more."  Frey R. Ellis, MD

	"A.J. once reserved a table a year in advance Chez Robert where a 
huge, icy gourmet broods over the greatest cuisine in the world.  So baneful
and derogatory is his gaze that many a client, under that withering blast,
has rolled on the floor and pissed all over himself in convulsive attempts
to ingratiate.

Billy Magic
			     
     
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (David Jordan)
Subject: Re: World Guide to Vegetarianism - 2/5 - Canada
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:39:38 GMT

Mark,

Thanks for your efforts on behalf of travelling vegetarians.  I consult the 
guide whenever I am travelling to areas covered.  

I'm posting some restaurants in St. Catharines, Ontario that are vegetarian
friendly.  Perhaps you can add them to the next revision.

As for the Toronto listing - do you know that there is a Toronto Vegetarian
Handbook which has an extensive listing?  It must be on someone's word
processor.  Perhaps they would allow you to add it to the guide.  It's 
published by the TVA (416) 533-3897.

Cheers!


St. Catharines, Ontario  (In the Niagara Region)

Vegetarian Restaurants - none

Vegetarian friendly restaurants:

Downtown area

Bansaree Indian Restaurant - 342 St. Paul   684-3411
-Excellent food, moderately priced and pleasant atmosphere.  Vegans need to
 request that they omit the butter from some dishes.

Talk of the Town - 165 King St.  685-1442
-Middle Eastern - Lebanese.  Moderately priced, nice setting.  Vegetarian
 section on menu.  I lunch here at least once a week.

Samara -  165 King St.  687-3427
-Middle Eastern - Inexpensive.  Rather plain surroundings.

Cellar Bench - 101 King St.  Wine bar.  
-Delightfully excentric chef offers a unique menu.  Vegan friendly.

North-Central, Just South of the QEW (the main highway between Buffalo,
N.Y. and Toronto, Ontario)

The Gourmet Health Diner -  396 Ontario Street.  
-  Just opened (Dec. 92).  Vegan soups and sandwiches. Ovo-lacto pizza,
  quiche, and more.  Hearty portions, very reasonably priced and good
  quality.  Atmosphere/decor is awful |-(.
-- 
David Jordan                               djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: "Better Than Milk?" question.
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 22:23:27 GMT

The sodium caseinate may come from dairy - I know that Calcium
caseinate does.  I'd guess that it wasn't vegan, though.

Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: 26 Dec 92 08:16:05 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University

In article <18896@mindlink.bc.ca> Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb) writes:
>again, sorry , Abhay!!  Hope that you forgive me.  :)

OK. OK. I forgave you twice already. (Don't cry.) And insert some smileys here.

Abhay
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Becoming a vegetarian and lactose intolerance
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:41:15 GMT

That is VERY similar to what happened to me this month!  I don't think
I would have taken it too seriously, but after reading your post, I
stopped and thought for a moment.
 
I went experimentally vegan for almost a month.  After 4 weeks, I
broke down and ate a grilled cheese and tomato sandwich.  Within
half an hour, I was having stomach pain and cramps, and before long,
I was throwing up, cramping severely and wanting to chop off my head.
I took 6 mylanta pills to no avail, also.

But I also ate (two days before) some chocolate which I forgot to
check and turned out to be milk chocolate... it was Perugina! I'm 
sorry!!! <HANGING HEAD IN SHAME>  That did nothing, maybe the
difference in quantity of dairy? Or the form?

A very confused Clover
Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file
From: jordan@homer.demon.co.uk (Rob Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarian dining in Hawaii (Maui and the Big Island)
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:55:44 GMT
Organization: Demon Internet Services, London

We were in Maui and the Big Island for a couple of weeks in October, and
found availability of vegetarian food a bit disappointing. We found one
really nice vegan restaurant, but no other strictly vegetarian places. Being
fish eaters this wasn't a big problem for us as there's lots of that
available. 

Anyway, the nice vegan restaurant is on Baldwin Avenue in Paia, Maui. I've
forgotten the name, but it's about 200 yards up from the junction with the
Hana Highway. Very informal, very friendly, and very nice food. I remember
tofu, tempera, salad and rice dishes, in a vaguely oriental style.
-- 
Rob Jordan, Eastleigh, Hants   --   jordan@homer.demon.co.uk
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:21:30 GMT

> Abhay Bulsari VT writes:
>
> Since no one had much to speak on that matter, here is what I think.
> The word "fur" is disgusting to many of us. While some people go to
> extreme lengths to produce artificial meat from soyabeans to feed
> a vegetarian, the vegetarian guest is hardly impressed. In fact, he
> might not even endure it. Why meat in the first place ?
>
> Similarly why fur, even if artificial ? Fur is not socially acceptable
> in many places.
>
> Abhay
>
> Tell me what this post has to do with vegetarian food and why it
> should be in alt.shit instead. Thanks.


Abhay, I agree with your opinions on why fur and meat in the first place, but
I think that anything that someone who is vegetarian has to say is valid in
the veg. area... as I said before, it's a lifestyle, not just a matter of
what you eat.  You don't seem to be very tolerant of the opinions of others
and of issues that matter to other vegetarians... we are not all alike, and
should be glad of it!!

Stop being so negative... Your "alt.shit" comment belongs in some other
forum!!

*j*
--
WE SAIL TONIGHT FOR SINGAPORE - WE'RE ALL AS MAD AS HATTERS HERE!!

*******************Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca***********************
****VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA...HOME OF THE NEUROTIC****
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Rosemary Waigh <rwaigh@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Using human bodies (was Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word)
Reply-To: rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:00:57 GMT


Ted mentioned that perhaps some day the human bodies which go to waste could
be used to feed carnivorous companion animals.  While that day is still a long
way off, our bodies can still be put to good use by donating them for medical
research/education/organ transplants.  Perhaps a few animals who would have
been killed for this purpose could be saved by donating our bodies instead? 
It is also my understanding that transplants from humans are much more
successful than interspecies transplants.

Ro
rwaigh@zooid.guild.org

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <BzoI3u.HCD@encore.com> jpenovic@encore.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.075845.6334@abo.fi>, abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay
>Bulsari VT) writes:
>> In article <50717@shamash.cdc.com> ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare) writes:
>> 
>> Question about artificial fur deleted.
>> 
>> >I offer my apologies to anyone finding this posting out of place here.
>> 
>> I don't find it out of place. These issues are tightly linked to those
>> of vegetarianism, and we often talk about issues which don't have any
>> vegetarian food in them.
>> 
>> Abhay
>> 
>
>  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the name of this
>  newsgroup rec.FOOD.veg? 
>
>  jan


Good point, Jan.

Animal-rights activists should be participating at talk.politics.animals,
but a few rebels prefer rec.food.veg, instead.

I scanned the 1000 most recently posted messages at talk.politics.animals,
and Abhay's name appears nowhere. Why somebody would post all this
animal-rights stuff to rec.food.veg, but never read talk.politics.animals
makes no sense, except that their only underlying motive is to be a nuisance.

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