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Organization: Princeton University, Network Systems, Class. 56
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:57:35 -0400
From:         gettes@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: UPDATE@BITNIC doesn't
              02 Sep 92 16:28:52 -0400. <9209022043.AA00611@Princeton.EDU>

On Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:28:52 -0400 robinson@bitnic.bitnet said:
> Greg,
>
> This is why you should submit related updates in the same file!
>
> During the synchronization process, changes live only as long as
> the job they are associated with--the database entries are not actually
> updated.  That's why your DELETE MEMBER failed:  The DELETE NODES were
> valid but weren't actually applied, so DELETE MEMBER had no way of
> knowing that there were NOT active children associated with the member
> you were trying to DELETE.
>
> Unfortunately, since those DELETE NODE commands have already been
> accepted you don't have any recourse but to wait for next Monday when
> the new cycle starts, and resubmit your DELETE MEMBER then.

Sounds like the code needs fixing to me...the user should not be bothered
with such issues.  Just my 0.5 cents.

/mrg
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Organization: Marist College
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:10:17 EDT
From:         "A. Harry Williams" <HARRY@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MAILER NAMES file
              31 Aug 1992 14:39:24 EDT from <VALDIS@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:39:24 EDT Valdis Kletnieks said:
>
>Does this :msg.N stuff actually *WORK* for any currently deployed
>software on Bitnet?  I don't know about JNET, but I know that on VM
LISTSERV for one.
>there is no check for a :msg.n in the IBM-supplied 'TELL' exec,
>nor does the RSCS software do any filtering on this....
>
>                                  Valdis Kletnieks
/ahw
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Organization: Princeton University, Network Systems, Class. 56
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:26:32 -0400
From:         gettes@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: BITNET Postmasters' Guide for VAX/VMS Systems
              25 Aug 92 11:33:05 -0400. <9208251548.AA24656@Princeton.EDU>

On Tue, 25 Aug 92 11:33:05 -0400 conklin@bitnic.bitnet said:
>     If you need assistance, please send e-mail to INFO@BITNIC.  In
> addition, BITNIC sponsors a mentoring service for CREN members, provided
> on a volunteer basis by knowledgeable staff at member sites, and BITNIC
> staff will be glad to find a mentor to assist you in managing your
> BITNET node if you request mentoring in your message to INFO@BITNIC.

This is the first I have heard of this service. I am interested in it.
Can somebody provide information about it? What platforms are supported?
Who are the mentors?

/mrg
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Organization: Universite Catholique de Louvain
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:48:42 CET
From:         "Alain FONTAINE (Postmaster - UCL)" <fontaine@SRI.UCL.AC.BE>
Subject:      Re: COUNTRY ISOCODES
              31 Aug 92 17:02:21 CDT from <B19141@ANLVM.CTD.ANL.GOV>

On Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:02:21 CDT Barry Finkel said:
>>Who maintains COUNTRY ISOCODES on NETSERV?  It has been brought to
>>my attention that COUNTRY ISOCODES is not current.
>>The mail below references COUNTRY CODES on LISTSERV@BITNIC but that
>>file is a duplicate of COUNTRY ISOCODES from NETSERV (don't ask me
>>why the name is slightly different, it was like that before I got here).
>
>From my NODMGT-L NOTEBOOK:
>>Date:         Tue, 10 Mar 1992 11:44:33 +0100
>>Reply-To:     Node Management Discussion <NODMGT-L@BITNIC.BITNET>
>>Sender:       Node Management Discussion <NODMGT-L@BITNIC.BITNET>
>>From:         "Alain FONTAINE (Postmaster - UCL)" <fontaine@SRI.UCL.AC.BE>
>>Subject:      Re: New/Updated version of COUNTRY ISOCODES
>>To:           Multiple recipients of list NODMGT-L <NODMGT-L@BITNIC>
>>In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 9 Mar 92 19:25:26 CST from <COURCOUL@VMTECQRO>
>>
>>I am maintaining COUNTRY ISOCODES on NETSERV. The way it works : I receive
>>the official announcements from the DIN secretariat (which maintains ISO 3166
>>on behalf of ISO). When I get an update, it is included in the file on the
>>same day (OK, week). I did not receive anything yet on those new independent
>>countries. Well, I guess ISO must be very careful with such heavily politi-
>>cally loaded matters.                                       /AF
Half the answer I was going to write has been posted already 8-). Latest
news: as it seemed that some updates were produced while I was not receiving
anything, I wrote a formal letter (true old paper mail) to DIN two months ago
explaining that I did receive the updates in the past, but had not received
anything recently, and wanted to continue receiving updates if they were
still produced. I did not get any answer. If anyone can give me a clue...
                                                         /AF
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:40:47 CDT
From:         Barry Finkel <B19141@ANLVM.CTD.ANL.GOV>
Subject:      NJE Traffic from Unknown Nodes

In August 1992 we logged at node ANLOS NJE traffic from the following NJE
nodes that are not defined to BITNET:

     ASUCP5    (part of ASUCP1 cluster)
     GALLUA1   (connected to GALLUA)
     UCLAC2    (part of UCLACH cluster)
     UCLAC3    (part of UCLACH cluster)
     VNETGATE  (connected to CUNYVMV2)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Telecommunications Division
Argonne National Laboratory               BITNET:   B19141@ANLVM
9700 South Cass Avenue                    Internet: B19141@ANLVM.CTD.ANL.GOV
Building 221, Room B223                   Phone:    (708) 252-7277
Argonne, IL   60439-4844                  Facsimile:(708) 252-5983
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:28:52 EDT
From:         "Andrew T. Robinson" <ROBINSON@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: UPDATE@BITNIC doesn't

Greg,

This is why you should submit related updates in the same file!

During the synchronization process, changes live only as long as
the job they are associated with--the database entries are not actually
updated.  That's why your DELETE MEMBER failed:  The DELETE NODES were
valid but weren't actually applied, so DELETE MEMBER had no way of
knowing that there were NOT active children associated with the member
you were trying to DELETE.

Unfortunately, since those DELETE NODE commands have already been
accepted you don't have any recourse but to wait for next Monday when
the new cycle starts, and resubmit your DELETE MEMBER then.

Sorry for the hassle!

Andy
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:54:06 EDT
From: Peter M. Weiss <PMW1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
Subject: MENTOR-L (was Re: BITNET Postmasters' Guide for VAX/VMS Systems)

In article <9208251726.AA06268@yo.Princeton.EDU>, gettes@PRINCETON.EDU says:
>
>On Tue, 25 Aug 92 11:33:05 -0400 conklin@bitnic.bitnet said:
>>     If you need assistance, please send e-mail to INFO@BITNIC.  In
>> addition, BITNIC sponsors a mentoring service for CREN members, provided
>> on a volunteer basis by knowledgeable staff at member sites, and BITNIC
>> staff will be glad to find a mentor to assist you in managing your
>> BITNET node if you request mentoring in your message to INFO@BITNIC.
>
>This is the first I have heard of this service. I am interested in it.
>Can somebody provide information about it? What platforms are supported?
>Who are the mentors?

Since the output seems "short enough", here is REV MENTOR-L (resident
on bitnic):

*
*  BITNET MENTOR referral list
*
*  LIST-ID= MENTOR-L
*  Review= Public    Subscription= By_Owner     Send= Private
*  NOTIFY= NO        REPLY-TO= LIST,RESPECT     FILES= NO
*  Confidential= No  Notebook= Yes,N,Monthly,Private
*  Ack= YES          Formcheck= No
*  Mail-Via= Dist
*  STAT= NORMAL      ERRORS-TO= OWNER  renewal=yearly,delay(14)
*  Validate= Store only
*  OWNER= TERRY@SPCVXA Terry Kennedy - MENTOR founder
*
* This list is for referrals of BITNET problems to list members from
* new listserv members and to collectively provide distributed support
*
*
JSLPM@ALASKA               Leslie Mann
SNODGRAS@BITNIC            Larry Snodgrass
KNAPKE@BUTLERU             David Knapke
PLAIN@FANDMA               Jack Plain
LIRAKLIO@MIAMIU            Leo J. Irakliotis
david@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU  David Nessl
SYSMAINT@PCCVM             Russell N. Hathhorn
S10E001@SAKSU00            HUMOUD ALOTAIBI
RAI@SNYBKSAC               R. Rai
TERRY@SPCVXA               Terry Kennedy
USTS034@UABDPO             Landy Manderson
HAROLD@UGA                 Harold Pritchett
*
* Total number of users subscribed to the list:   12
* Total number of local node users on the list:    1
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Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:39:24 EDT
From:         Valdis Kletnieks <VALDIS@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MAILER NAMES file

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:33:09 EDT Larry Snodgrass said:
>If the node is truely a mail-only node then the disadvantage to
>#2 is that the node would show up in the routing tables and any
>files sent to that node would build up at the node to which it is
>connected (messages could be disabled with a :msg.N tag in the entry).

Does this :msg.N stuff actually *WORK* for any currently deployed
software on Bitnet?  I don't know about JNET, but I know that on VM
there is no check for a :msg.n in the IBM-supplied 'TELL' exec,
nor does the RSCS software do any filtering on this....

                                  Valdis Kletnieks
                                  Computer Systems Engineer
                                  Virginia Polytechnic Institute
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.innopac
Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:04:09 CDT
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         Melinda Ann Reagor <REAGOR@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to catalog Russian materials
              27 Aug 92 11:02:30 CDT from <STUART@ricevm1.rice.edu>

JMS-- Some of these messages are adorable, aren't they?  MAR
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:38:25 -0500
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         9724MUMMJ@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU
Subject:      MYSTERIOUS CHECK-IN RECORDS
X-To:         INNOPAC%MAINE.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

- HELP - HELP - HELP -

Has anybody experienced the following problem with their Check-in
records?

At Marquette University Law Library we have noticed that check-in
boxes have been mysteriously added to a large number of our
check-in records.

For example, one record has had the following correct boxes:

     Box  3 for v. 8:2 (Apr 92) ARRIVED  on 05-29-92
     Box  4 for v. 8:3 (Jul 92) EXPECTED on 08-29-92
     Box  5 for v. 8:4 (Oct 92) E        on 11-29-92

                       . . .

     Box 21 for v.12:4 (Oct 96) E        on 11-29-96
     Box 22 for v.13:1 (Jan 97) E        on 02-28-97
     Box 23 for v.13:2 (Apr 97) E        on 05-29-97

Recently the following new boxes appeared:

     Box 24 for v. 8:3 (Jul 92) E        on 09-15-92
     Box 25 for v. 8:4 (Oct 92) E        on 12-15-92

This is not an isolated incidence for us (we checked a sample of
about 150 records and found 85 with similar problems).  The
frustration is that the system either has claimed or will claim
on the new boxes (sometimes for material which we really have).

Innovative tells us that they have not heard of this problem from
any other cite, so they are calling it "user error".

We need to know if anyone has experienced a similar problem to
this.  If you have, would you please respond AND call Innovative
to tell them.  If they see this problem elsewhere it will help
them to identify the cause.


Thanks for your help.


Jim Mumm
Acquisitions / Serials Librarian
Marquette University Law Library
9724mummj@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:23:35 -0600
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         MAYEJOH@MINNA.IIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Serial printing using INNOVATIVE
X-To:         INNOPAC%MAINE.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

Could you clarify your question a bit?  Are you trying to serial print from
a Wyse terminal attached printer? from a serial printer attadched to a
pc? or something else? We are using Novell's LAN workplace for DOS
to attach to our Innopaq and we think we've got serial printing working.

John Mayer
Director of Computing Services - Chicago-Kent College of Law
MAYEJOH@IITVAX
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:42:20 -0700
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         Jamie Hurley <jamie@VEGA.III.COM>
Subject:      Volunteers for LITA Booth
X-To:         innopac@maine.maine.edu

LITA is looking for Volunteers to staff the LITA membership booth at the
LITA conference September 14 -16 in Denver Colorado.  Exhibit hours are
as follows:  Monday, 9/14/92, 4 p.m. - 6:30 p.m.; Tuesday, 9/15/92,
10 a.m. - 4:30 p.m.; Wednesday, 9/16/92, 10 a.m. - 3:30 p.m..
Volunteers will be asked to greet LITA members, hand out literature, and
answer questions.  If you will be attending LITA, and have two or more
hours available, please call me (800-878-6600), or message me
(jamie@iii.com) and let me know the time you will be available.
If you are responding online please send your message to me directly,
rather than the listserv.  Thank you in advance for your help.
Jamie Hurley
*************************************************************************
Jamie Hurley                        Internet:  jamie@iii.com
Dir. of Administrative Services     Phone      (510) 644-3600
Innovative Interfaces Inc.          FAX:       (510) 644-3650
*************************************************************************
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:49:00 MST
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         AFIEGEN@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Computer assisted instuction

I have been asked to put this question to other Innovative libraries.  Are
there any examples out there of libraries who have used computer
assisted instruction for patron use of Innopac or for staff use of Innopac?
If so can you provide me and/or the list with details.

Ann Fiegen
Univ. of Arizona
afiegen@ccit.arizona.edu
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:55:25 CDT
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         "_Doug DeLong, Illinois State University" <AXVISDG@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Great Lakes Innovative Users Group meeting

 The fall meeting of the Great Lakes Innovative Users Group will be held
 Sept. 21, 1 p.m. in room 206 of the Stuart Center, DePaul University, Chicago.
 A general announcemnt with specifics is being mailed to all former partici-
 pants and Innovative customers in the states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa,
 Illinois and Indiana.  Others are welcome; please contact me for a copy of
 the announcement.

 Douglas A. DeLong, Acquisitions Librarian
 Milner Library, Illinois State University, Normal, IL  61761
 Tel: (309)438-3450______Bitnet:  AXVISDG@UICVMC.BITNET
 Fax: (309)438-3676
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:08:10 -0400
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         SPORE@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      Spine labels

We are interested in hearing from any INNOPAC library that
has experience printing book spine labels (via INNOPAC itself)
using VERNON thermal tractor feed labels.

We particularly interested in formatting of the label, printing
reliability, and quality of the labels themselves (compared to
SE-LIN labels).

----------------------------------------------------------
Stuart Spore                    |  Phone:  212-998-6333
Head of Cataloging & Automated  |  Fax:    212-998-6587
Systems                         |  spore@acf5.nyu.edu
New York University Law Library |
40 Washington Sq. So.           |
New York, N.Y. 10012            |
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:15:21 EDT
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         Melissa Jadlos <MJADLOS@STLAWU.BITNET>
Subject:      keyword help screens
X-To:         innopac@maine.maine.edu

We just implemented keyword searching this summer and now we want to
modify III's witty "wheezing and sneezing" help screen that came with the
package.  I'm talking about the screen that appears when you hit the
mnemonic from the main menu.

Would you please send/fax me copies of screens that you have designed?
I'm also interested in library information screens that may give more
detail on keyword searching.

I appreciate the help and I will discuss my findings with the list.

Thank you,

MELISSA JADLOS
ACCESS SERVICES/REFERENCE LIBRARIAN
ST. LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY
CANTON, NY 13617
315-379-5479, fax 315-379-5729
MJADLOS@STLAWU.BITNET
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:38:00 -0500
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From:         Marcia.Deddens@UC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Magstripes and IDs
X-To:         INNOPAC%MAINE.BITNET%PMDF%UCBEH@PMDF.UC.EDU

The University of Cincinnati also uses TPS combination mag stripe/
barcode readers with VT220-420 terminals, PC's and M300's.  While
there is some fiddling with set-ups and complexity with model numbers,
TPS provides a good mix of options for various equipment and good
price performanace, especially with quantity orders parsed in small
groups across an implementation schedule.

Our ID cards are now only issued with mag stripes and we have dropped
barcode labels because of readability problems over time.  Our
materials are barcoded with high quality labels under mylar.  Although
some reading problems are bound to take place, they are found with
only a small portion of transactions and the III alternative keyboard
input works well.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:07:18 CDT
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         Lora L Lennertz <LENNERTZ@UAFSYSB.BITNET>
Subject:      Magstripes and IDs

We are interested in knowing if other libraries are using ID magstripes
in lieu of barcodes for patron IDs.  Our institution has a university-
wide ID system. We feel that there are advantages to using the registrar's
database as a source of our patron information and in tying-in with the rest
of the university.  For those of you using magstripes, could you please
provide me with the following information?
    a) What brand magstripe readers do you use?
       Do you find that using both magstripe and barcode readers is
         too cumbersome?
    b) What problems have occurred in the development and implementation
       of the patron database in relation to the magstripe?
    c) How do you handle "special" or "affiliate" borrowers who do not
       already have a library or university ID?
    d) Any other suggestions or warnings?????

Thanks for your time.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:15:22 CDT
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         "GRAHAM, R P" <RGRAHM@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to catalog Russian materials
              27 Aug 92 11:02:30 CDT from <STUART@ricevm1.rice.edu>

It's not much to ask.  Maybe Laura could send him a pithy line or tw
o , encapsulating the essence of how to cat R m. Are we glad we have Laura or w
hat?
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From: DLOWE@UA1VM.BITNET (David Lowe)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.innopac
Subject: Labor costs
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:41:17 GMT
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
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We are currently trying to produce a cost estimate for
Innovac/Innopac installation.  I think we have a good idea at
this point about what will happen to us with hardware and
software costs, but we have not yet made staffing decisions.

I would appreciate very much any information anyone could give me
about labor costs during the transition to III.  I would like to
know about everything from student bar coders to temporary full
time library staff to consultants.


David Lowe
Computer Services Librarian
University of Alabama Law Library
INTERNET: DLOWE@UA1VM.UA.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:36:00 PST
              <INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         FGERTLER@SCU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Allowing users to free locked records

Will,

I'll take users to mean non-systems office library personnel. Santa Clara
allows for department heads in Cataloging, Acquisitions, Circulation and
Serials Check-in to free their own busy records. Each person is responsible
for keeping a log of the records they free and one of these days we will
all get together and see if there any obvious (or subtle) patterns.

Hope this helps.

Fred Gertler
Santa Clara University
fgertler@scuacc.scu.edu
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