HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Hello Pakistan
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:54:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


>Sorry to disappoint you but one cannot use calling cards from various
>high ethnic population areas like NY to India, Pakistan, and dozens of other
>countries.  Sherlock, it is an EQUALLY embarassing day for you too.


>Imran


	Well, I was really pissed off few months ago when I could not
	call Pakistan using my AT&T card from a Public Phone. AFter
	I came back to Cleveland, I called AT&T's 1-800- Number.
	I yelled at them in my usual style and asked them to cancel
	my damn account. After some yelling I was able to talk to
	some "higher-up" :-) and he offered me a deal. He said that
	he could unblock my individual card number if I take the responsibility
	of paying for the calls made to Pakistan in case my number is stolen.
	I accepted the offer and Allah-allah-Khair-sallah.
	Those who are willing to take the chance may wanna try this option.

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland





Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: PakistaNews Text Files Until GIF Color Restarts Soon - #0104
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:26:59 GMT

imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:


[IRRELEVANT NEWS DELETED ]

>RS. 10 M ALLOCATED FOR NEW WARDS IN MENTAL HOSPITAL

>The provincial government had allocated an amount of Rs. 10 million for the 
>construction of new rooms and wards in the Mental Hospital, peshawar.


	HEY HEY ,

		WHY DON'T YOU BUILD MORE ROOMS AND WARDS SO THAT

	ALL THE PAKISTANIS CAN BE ACCOMODATED THERE . BELIEVE

	ME YOU PEOPLE NEED IT BADLY , ESPECIALLY PEOPLE LIKE 

	SHAMS HASAN AND MUSTAFA .

					DEEPAK



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: Re: The language on SCP
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:36:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.092748.30708@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>	In regards to the language on SCP:
>
>
>	Of late there are many crosspostings on SCI and SCP, which should
>stimulate more variety in viewpoints.  However, the news of late on 
>SCP has degraded to foul language and derogatory remarks.  Maybe, this
>is just a lone viewpoint, but in the past, the reason I have stayed
>away from SCI has been specifically just for this reason.  The mainstay
>of SCI (besides H1 visa information) is that of inflamatory remarks.
>At least with the swear words in the titles, one can avoid that particular
>posting, but it has gotten to the point that one is confronted with
>it even in posting that are following a specific trend which would
>not infer that kind of language.  I always found SCP to have better
>articles and better mannerism that are appropriate to mixed company.
>I guess, what I am trying to request, is that the language which one
>wouldn't use in front of mixed company and other people one would
>give respect to, could be avoided.
>
>Sincerely, 
>Rukhsana Merchant

I agree with you but 1st Amendment is very powerful.

My advice: don't read SCP for a month or so.

Arshad Hussain

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: maali@IASTATE.EDU (Muhammad A Ali)
Subject: Re: Report: U.S. insists Pakistan prove it's not backing terrorists 
Reply-To: maali@IASTATE.EDU (Muhammad A Ali)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:07:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.194952.17472@oakhill.sps.mot.com>,
fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:
> 
> This is yet another notch in the ratcheting up of anti-Pakistan/muslim
> pressure.  I hope it is an expected one, because I was waiting for
> this to happen.  Pakistan is useless to the USA and furthermore has is
> seen as insolent to one of the masters' new buddies: India.  Remember
> that geopolitically even though India is not a very important area for
> US foreign policy, Pakistan's location is even worse.  Moreover India
> has been attracting US capital any way it can (by deregulating old
> socialist industries and trying to setup a silicon valley in
> Bangalore). Thus the US finds itself holding a stake in India's
> stability.  There is no such US stake in Pakistan.  Indeed, the
> relationship has been so one-sided that Americans would not even bat
> an eye at slamming the door on Pakistan, meanwhile our GNP would
> suffer considerably.
> 
> The time has come to recognize the charade for what it is.  Today they
> give 180 days to prove we're not terrorists, tomorrow it will be 60 to
> prove we're not "fundamentalist mozzzzlems."  Indeed, it may even be
> better for us to take the US demand nonchalantly, shrug our shoulders
> and ask the state department boys to define "terrorist."  Ask them why
> they made us arm, supply and feed Afghan "terrorists" and why they
> aided us to the hilt. Ask 'em if this isn't a clear case of hypocricy ?
> Tell 'em we find it tiresome to deal with hypocrites and tell 'em 
> to shut up their spy-centers and embassies and, like, leave.
> 
> 
> fmb
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING  in the above article has the slightest
> relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please 
> notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely 
> UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's.


        I think we should ask the new American Administration to prove that
Pakistan is supporting terrorrists as the burden of proof is on them. Moreover
we should try to stay away from America as a country (I don't mean we shouldn't
visit USA). The best course of action for Pakistan is to attract as much
investment from the ORIENTALS as bpossible as those guys have BIG BUCKS and are
not a power threat to Pakistan and if they become we'll be able to deal with it
hopefully. Let Indians have a Silicon Valley and lets get Tokyo.
From: hasan@indus.bu.edu (qadeer hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: TAX FREE CAR INFO
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:47:29 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: hasan@indus.bu.edu

A while ago some one posted some info about tax free car if one remit certain
amount of foreign currency to Pakistan. Could it posssible to get this info
again?

-qadeer
hasan@indus.bu.edu
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Indianization of Islam : BEWARE!!! FAKE POSTING!!!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:23:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



I WAS SHOCKED TO FIND THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE TODAY:

fall217@cse.unl.edu ( syed agha saeed) writes:
t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu ( Bijoy Sagar) writes:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOW THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I DID NOT WRITE ANY SUCH ARTICLE. WHOEVER
HAS DONE IT PLEASE COME FORWARD AND OWN UP. IT IS STUPID TO ATTRIBUTE
ARTICLES TO OTHERS. THE FIRST TIME I EVER SAW THAT POSTING ( OSTENSIBLY
WRITTEN BY MYSELF) WAS TODAY.
>> Stop stabbing the indian constitution, it is already bleeding profusely

LOTS OF STUFF DELETED.....
>> Jai Ind
  ^^^^^^^^
JAI IND? JAI HIND? IT IS REALLY FUNNY. I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN ANYTHING WITH
SUCH GIRISH BONDE/VIJAY RAHHAV STYLE ENDINGS. SPARE MEEEEE PLEASE.
>> Arjun Ram
^^^^^^^^^^^^
ANOTHER ONE HERE! WHO IS HE? BROTHER OF RAM LAKHAN? RAMAN RAGHAV? THIS IS
DISGUSTING! TRULY SO!

>  I just want to point out one serious problem. which you have missed. How you
  STUFF DELETED......
>  sorry for any bad feeling
>  syed agha saeed.

I HEREBY DISTANCE MYSELF FROM THIS ARTICLE AND ANY REFERANCE TO MY NAME IN THE
CONTEXT OF THIS ARTICLE WILL BE IGNORED. IF AT ALL YOU DECIDE TO DISCUSS IT
PLEASE DO SO WITHOUT REFERRING TO ME. IF I FIND THIS REPEATED, I SHALL TAKE IT
SERIOUSLY AND PURSUE THE MATTER WITH YOUR SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR ( I MEAN
THE FAKE POSTER, NOT Mr. SYED. ) I HAVE AN IDEA WHO THE POSTER IS HAVING READ
HIS POSTINGS IN INDIA-D ( THE STYLE RESEMBLES HIS) AND THE WRITER IS VERY
FAMILIAR WITH MY STYLE HAVING READ ME IN INDIA-D. HOWEVER, I MUST ALSO
SAY THAT I DO NOT PRACTICE ANY RELIGION AND I AM NOT A HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST.
I AM ALSO VERY ANGERED BY HIS COWARDICE AND STUPIDITY IN DRAGING MY NAME INTO 
IT!

BIJOY SAGAR   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Elite..... My Foot!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 01:46:23 GMT

In article <lks0nfINNenk@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <1ij2nvINNpeq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>>	Since when police got the right to stop people from moving within
>>	a city. Police bosses are the most corrupt people. How come they
>>	are telling their jaahil police waalaas to stop people going
>>	to Defence, Laalokhet, or Paposh Nagar. 


This year it was the police and last year it was the Jamaat.  The psyche is to 
punish people from having a good time.  Whats wrong with celebrating
New Years Eve.....................

As they say in Pakistan, do not let the poor have fun, they dont know what
they are missing and ofcourse in pakistan to have fun is against islam.

sahibzada rafay khan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Origin of Ni-shit Dey ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:00:36 GMT

imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:


>P.S.     Personally I hate to attack others' mother or father but 
>unfortunately sometimes I have to do that . 

> 

Mr Mustafa,


	I think this will be my last post regarding you. Only thing
which I want to say that, you are so dirty that anybody going near you
starts smelling. Yes, I did mistake by responding to your posts.
Sorry for that.  Stay happy!


Nishit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: asafi@rdrc.rpi.edu (Ahmad Safi)
Subject: Re: Passport Renewal
Summary: Passport Renwal... WERE YOU THERE BEFORE 1980?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:34:18 GMT



In article 32926 cscc13@homer.cc.uh.edu (Naveed Iqbal) writes:

>> I called the Pakistan Consulate in NY to get information on a passport
>> renewel.  They tell me that it takes a month to get a new passport. Old
>> passports cannot  be renewed. According to the new rules, they send the
>> paperwork to Pakistan for police records etc. and it takes a month.

>> Does anyone know a fastger way to get a passport as the gentlemen I talk to 
>> was extremely rude and did not let me say a word. Instead, he was giving me
>> crap about how things work over there. He said that I should listen to him
>> or else he would hangup. 

Actually I just had my passport renewed last week. It took me only a
week to have it renewed from the Consulate at NY. The catch is that if
you had any document to prove that you were there in Pakistan before
1980 then they do not send the Passport to Pakistan for Police
Inquiry.  This is probably to screen out the illegal passports held by
the Afghans who came to Pakistan after 1980. As proofs the testimonials
and property transaction documents are acceptable. In my case I sent
them my original matriculation certificate (returned safely!) year
marked 1978.

The information sheet accompanying the passport application defines the
requirements for individual cases. I would suggest you to just call them up
and ask them to send the passport renewal forms. Once you get the info
sheet you can determine what you need to expedite the process. 

Good Luck.


Ahmad Safi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Poetry
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:12:10 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1993Jan8.233054.19222@mcc.com> haque@.mcc.com (Kashif Haque) writes:
>I wanted to share this with you all. I hope you will
>understand it and like it.  If somebody knows this
>please correct it as i am wrinting it from memory.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Mere Mehboob Kahin Aur Mila Kar Mujh Say
>----------------------------------------------------
>Taj tere liye ek mazhare ulfat he sahe
>tuj ko is waadiye rangeen sey akheedat he sahey
>mere mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujh say
>
>bazm-e-shahi mein ghareebon ka guzr, kiya maaaney
>subth jis raah pey hoon sitwate shaheen key nishaan
>uss pay ulfat bharee roohon ka safr, kiya maaaney
>
>mere mehboob pas-e-parda-e-tasheer-e-wafa
>too nain sitwat k nishanoon ko to deekha hoota
>murda shahhon k maqabir sey bahalnay wali
>upnay taareek makaanoon ko to deekah hoota
>
>unginath logon nain dunya mein muhabbat key hai
>kon kehta hey k sadiq na they un k jazbay
>magar un kay liye tasheer ka saaman na thaa
>kiyon k wo log bhi apni he tarah muflis thay
>
>mere mehboob unhein bhi to muhabbat ho gi
>jin key sannaee nay bakshi hai isse shakle jameel
>un k piyaroon k maqabir rahe be naam o namood
>aaj tak un pe jalaee na kisi nay qandeel
>
>ye imaaraaat-o-muqabir, ye faseelain, ye hisaar
>mutle-qul-hukm shahenshahoon key uzmat k sutoon
>seena-e-dahr k naasoor hein, kuhna naasoor
>jazb hai jin mein mere aur tere aajdad ka khoon
>
>ye chamman zaar ye jamna ka kinara ye mahal
>ye munaqqash daro deewar, ye mehraab, ye taaq
>ik shahenshah nay daulat kaa sahara lay kar
>hum gharrebon ke muhabbat ka uraya hai mazaq
>
>mere mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujh sey
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>KJH

Beautiful... I guess we need more of such stuff on scp...

regards

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527
From: aftab@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Aftab Ahmad;MU-SPIN/CESDIS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: punjabi dialect/langu
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:08:27 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA

"faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com> writes:

> NJ> <faraz.rabbani#canrem.com> writes: 
> rzz@po.CWRU.Edu (Reema Z. Zuberi said: 
> > RZZ> In his post, Aftab Ahmad bemoans the demise of the Punjabi
> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) quips:
> NJ> Panjabi "has" a script called Gurmukhi. In Indian Panjab, it is still
> NJ> prevalent. Why the script is not used in Pakistan is another issue.
> NJ> It's strange how some people can start discussing a problem that
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> NJ> doesn't exist.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

>Well...  _I_ was unaware of that...  so thanks for the info.  I was
>saying that Punjabi exists because people speak it.  Whether they
>write it in its own way does not define its existence.

	Mr. Nadeem Jamali, if you mean one should not consider Punjabi dead
as a lanuage, you may be right. But on our side of the border where 65 million
(I will say so-called) Punjabis dwell, it is dead for all purposes of a 
language. Look
	i.   How many schools teach Punjabi as a language to children?
	ii.  How many young parents speak Punjabi to their kids.
	iii. How many popular newspapers/magazines/research journels are
	     published in Punjabi?
	vi.  Last but not least, how is this going to change in future?

As for East Punjab, we seem to take everything relating to India as threat
to Islam (or it's presented that way). Why don't we compete India in fields 
other than defense too. We don't have to apologise to anyone (except ourselves,
may be). All that is needed is realize what we are doing and how to change it.
 

	Faraz Rabbai's assertion that being spoken is enough for a "language"
to be called a language: for one thing if that is true then there would be
nothing such as a dialect. Secondly, there must be a time when all languages
were only spoken - because human couldn't write from day one. But what makes
a living thing living is life - in case of languages it is the evolution which
is a language's life. I am a Punjabi - and if Punjabi is evolving this is not
happening among Punjabis.

Aftab Ahmad

-- 
Ha-ey rabba ho saadi ug na blay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Chaudhry Khaliquzzaman, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:22:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


		Chaudhry Khaliquzzaman
		----------------------

		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		---------------------------

	He belonged to a landowning family of Avadh( Avadh+Agra = U.P.), and
	was educated at Lucknow University. He became a very active worker
	in the Khilafat Movement, was associated with the Congress( party)
	for some time, then left it to join the Muslim League. leading
	the Muslim League members in the legislative assembly in U.P.
	In 1946 he was elected on the Muslim League ticket to the Indian
	constituent Assembly. After independence he led the Muslim
	League members in the Indian Constituent Assembly. He migrated to
	Pakistan in November 1947 and was appointed organizer of the 
	Pakistan Muslim League in 1948 rising to become the president
	of the party in 1949. However, he resigned after a year. He was
	the Governor of East Pakistan from April 1953 to April 1954 and later 
	served as ambassador to Indonesia. Chaudhry Sahib's memoirs
	"Pathway to Pakistan" are a treasure house of information
	on the freedom movement

P.S. From 50 years, Golden Jubilee Pakistan Resolution 1940-90,
     published by Pakistan International Airline (PIA)

P.P.S. Dr. Salimuzzaman, a senior Pakistani scientist, is 
       Chaudhry Saheb's  younger brother. Hakim Ajmal Khan of Dehli
       advised Chaudhry Saheb to send young Salimuzzaman to Germany
       in 1930's from where he got a Ph.D. in Chemistry.


Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
From: aimam@cad607.intel.edu (Ahsan Imam )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SHER...
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:36:20 GMT
Organization: TestCAD, Design Technology, Intel Corporation

In article <1993Jan7.133200.14290@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> HAR EK BAAT PE TUM KAHTE HO KE TU KYA HAI,

   HAR EK BAAT PE KAHTE HO TUM KE TU KYA HAI,
|> 
|> TUMHI KAHO KE YE ANDAAZ-E-GUFTAGU KYA HAI.

-- 


---ahsan                   aimam@scdt.intel.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Urdu Poetry newsgroup
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:40:50 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <!d-3_p#@rpi.edu>, husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain) writes:
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> A couple of months ago I heard about an urdu poetry newsgroup being created.
>> Could someone please tell me if it was created and if it was, then what is it
>> called??
>
>> thanks
>> faiz
>
>The newsgroup name is rec.arts.poems.urdu.
>It does exist but I haven't seen any post yet.
>
>
>Atiya
>

I could not fing it among the list of newsgroups.

Shariq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Ghazal Time...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:12:08 GMT



----------------------------------------------------------

Date: 	Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:22:17 -0500
From: <"\"FARID@DSO011.SCH.GE.COM\""@CRDGW1.dnet.ge.com>
X-To: advax::"husaia@aix.rpi.edu"@dso011.sch.ge.com
Subject: A GaZal for GaZal Time
To: HUSAIA@rpi.edu
Message-Id: <92Dec30.172253est.50129@ge-dab.ge.com>
Status: R

 
 
 
	Assalam u alekum
 
	I don't have direct access to USEnet. I can not post any article/
	message on the net.. Could u please post the following GaZal on SCP
	 ... Thanx ( For GaZal Time ) ( Aadil Farid)
 
 
	A GaZal by SaHir ludhianvi ..
 
 
	kaun kahta hai muhabbat ki zuba'n  hoti hai 
	ye HaQiQat to nigaho'n se bayan hoti hai
 
	woh na aaye to satati hai Khalish si dil ko
	woh jo aaye to Khalish aur jawa'n hoti hai
 
	rooH ko shaad kare dil ko jo pur-noor kare
	har naZare pe yeh tangeer kaha'n hoti hai
 
	ZaKhm-e sailab-e muhabbat ko kaha'n tak roke
	dil mein jo baat hai aa'nkho'n se Aya'n hoti hai
 
	zindagi ek sulagti si chita hai saHir
	shO'ala banti aur na bujh ke dhu'na'n deti hai ..
 
-----------------------------------------------------------
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: passport renewal
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:06:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.



I was also recently told that passport renewal will take a month on
account of some verification procedure.  However, the renewal
information that came from the consulate specifically states that
an urgent passport (3 days) can still be obtained with a higher
fee, $88 instead of the regular $36.  I would call again and
request an urgent-passport-with-higher-fee.


Saad.


--
From: baskar@cs.concordia.ca (Sundararajan Baskar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Moslems@
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:32:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Dec25.071904.36066@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>This is absolutely wrong to say that every porblem is caused by muslims. 
>In fact the case is reverse, every porblem is created for the muslim. 
>For example  in india , before the british invasion,there was used to be 
>a muslim rule. In that more than 1000 years rule we donot find any
>hindu-muslim conflict. Even some of the Mughal Emperors used to have
>Hindu Wives. There was peace and harmony. But when hindu came into 
>power , after british left india, they started planning to demolish
>all the mosques in india. In fact , on the eve of the establishment
>of Pakistan there was a movement in india to convert all the muslims
>to hinduism by force .

Hello friend,
          Do u really believe in what u have written ? There was peace and harmony during mughul rule (!!!). Greatest joke . Please don't distort history.
Accept what they are and try to learn from it. Read more about
AURANGAZEB,BABAR and Mohd Ghazni (he was not a mughal empire).







with regards
SBaskar
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: NEW YEAR celebrations in Karachi
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:21:20 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan7.162407.46191@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>	The largest party was reportedly held by Jam Mashooq Ali, the state
>minister for production. His invitees included film artists, models and all of
>the 'in' crowd( In other words, people who have acheived an elitist attitude).
>	What do you guys think of that? 
>


I don't.  There are other things to worry about.  You have to prioritize
your life.  Worrying about Jam Mashooq and his new year's eve party
would be pretty much rock bottom on my list of concerns, far below
playing test cricket, overthrowing the Saudi monarchy, creating life
in a test tube and bedding Hillary Clinton.



-- 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:19325 soc.culture.indian:43282 soc.culture.bangladesh:7405
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to Editor 12/31/92 About 1947, Ayodhya, etc.
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:21:54 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <C0EIoq.CGw@uceng.uc.edu> mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>famous Pakistanis who have tried to make India their home are
>Zeba Bukhatir, Huma Khan and Mohsin Khan.  Please name one from
>your side.

Famous GOI propogandist, Manoj Ghayalod, resides at scp :)






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