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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:55:19 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: T&L
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>From: Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
>Has anybody address the issue of the ending of T&L?
>
>Perhaps my commnets qualify as SPOILER:
>
>
>
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>If T&L were guys Hollywood would have gladly let them ride of into the sunset
>and spend their days happily in Mexico - In my opinion of course - I think that
>the last five minutes of the film contradict everything that happened before -

Nothing like a sweeping generalisation, eh?  There are plenty of examples
of guys who don't get to ride off into the sunset...

Butch and Sundance, of course; _Terminator 2_, Gene Hackman in _The
Poseiden Adventure_.  Everybody in the _Alien_ trilogy.  The list goes on
and on, but I won't.  I'm still rather disappointed after seeing
_Alien^3_ last night.
			Liam.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:17:21 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      T&L commentaries

Jeff, Anita, Ellen, et al:
At the risk of turning this discussion into a mutual
admiration society, I have to say that I really appreciate
all of the different perspectives y'all have shared about
T&L.  I still hold to my original opinion(s) for the most
part, but you have certainly given me much to think about
and to look for, should I watch this movie again ... or
some other movie that angers me as much as this one did
right off the bat.  I especially liked Ellen's statement
sthat Thelma was a ditz out of ignorance and not stupidity.
I, for one, could use a reminder of this distinction -- too
often have I been hasty in my judgments, I'm afraid.
And Jeff, could you post me (directly, if you wish) the issue
number for _Film Quarterly_, the one with articles on T&L?

--Anjani
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:56:53 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Not DO THE RIGHT THING

Peter,
No, I didn't mean Do the Right Thing ... which I have
very mixed feelings about ... no pun intended.  There is
this OTHER movie.
It's slowly coming to me ... I think it was called
Straight Out of Brooklyn, and it was done by guy who
is about 20 years old.  Not a film student, I don't think.
He used friends and relations as actors.

Ring any bells?

--Anjani
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:36:17 -0400
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Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
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    Thinking of Ed Harris (see RE: THE ABYSS) made me remember another of
    his films which could be a good Frontier movie candidate: WALKER.

    MICHEL
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:48:34 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Delicattessan & Gilliam

I just seem to've recalled (though I'm not certain) that this confusing
connection _may_ be due to the fact that Gilliam "presented" the film--
whatever that means in distribution terms.

Jeff clark
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:06:36 BST
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      INTOLERANCE

Hi Jeff,
The image looked a bit like below :

....................
|      /     \     |
| A   /       \ A  |
|    /         \   |
|   |    B      |  |
|    \         /   |
|     \       /    |
...................

where
A = Inky Blackness
B = Flickering Image

The size of B varied throughout the transmission.
Sorry about the crap diagram

                  John Smyth
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:04:55 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      court battles on film

Twelve Angry Men

Joe Daus   U of MO-COlumbia
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:12:30 EDT
From:         "Diane A. Bynum" <BI599036@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The movie Sneakers

I was invited to a sneak preview of "Sneakers", sorry about the pun.
It was good for the most part even though it dragged sometimes.  It was
about a group of intelligent, fallen-from-grace specialists who are
experts in breaking codes.  There are many funny parts, I hope you enjoy it.
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: ROBT. ROSSELINI FILM
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 12:20:15 EDT

In article <CMM-RU.1.3.715360062.fethe@pilot.njin.net>
FETHE <fethe@PILOT.NJIN.NET> writes:
 
>
>For some time I have been trying to track down a film made by Roberto
>Rossellini in 1974.  The film is titled "Descartes," and I've seen stills in
>magazines but never been able to locate the film itself.  I would appreciate
>any help in locating this film.
 
   Rossellini made a film called BLAISE PASCAL in 1974.  Are you sure you mean
Descartes?
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:56:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mosquito Coast

re: H Ford
>His work in "Witness" and Roman Polanski's "Frantic" should demonstrate
>to his detractors that there's more to the man than Star Wars or
>Indiana Jones.

Yes indeed. Ford's work is always careful and reserved, but like other
good film actors, he conveys a sense that a lot's going on inside that
he doesn't let you see.

I watched REGARDING HENRY the other night, and had the sense, as I usually
do with Mike Nichols' films, that I'd like it much better the third or
fourth time around. Ford had as tough an acting job as I could imagine,
but managed it without resorting to self-pity or sentimentality.

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:03:01 EDT
From:         "Orlanda Thompson --- Rm M1310 Bldg. 100 --- Ext. 3005"
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Hello,

	For some strange reason, I was bumped off the list for a week and a
half.  Did I miss "Previews ..... for August 1992"?  If I did, could some
kind soul please vox (oops... mail) me a copy?  Thanks in advance.

Orlanda
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:18:07 EDT
From:         Steven Feldman <AR402004@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Review of TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME

>Subject:  Review of TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME (European Version?)
>Date:     Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:48:50 GMT
>From:     Christopher Lishka <lishka@DXCERN.CERN.CH>
>
>                    Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
>                         (European Version?)
>
>                    A film review by Chris Lishka
>                     Copyright 1992 Chris Lishka
>
>And all those really weird dream-like sequences are back and mixed
>throughout the whole film.  Maybe the movie would have been compelling
>if Mr. Lynch had dropped the whole story of Laura Palmer and instead
>focused completely on Bob and the little man in the room of curtains.

     That's what *I* went to the movie for.  At the end of the series, I
kept on expecting a DR. STRANGE (Marvel Comics character) -like fight
between Bob and the One-armed Man, and wasn't let down in the least by
the series' final 30 mins.  In the movie, however, all that really came
through was the frozen image of Cooper on the vid monitor when the Bowie
doppelganger walks by, the bit with Laura mimicking her image in the
picture on her bedroom wall, and the revelation that the midget was the
perosnification of the One-armed Man's missing arm.  Otherwise, bleh.
You know, that annoying little twerp with the papier mache mask is the
director's son.

>_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is a great disappointment.  As I
>walked out of the theatre, I felt like I didn't really need to know
>anything the film presented.  [...]

     For the most part, this is true . . . unfortunately.

>[...]  Furthermore, the film was not even entertaining; rather, it was
>bloody and boring.  I was very much put off by the violent scenes,
>especially the horrible sexuality portrayed.

     I hate to tell you, but--except for THE ELEPHANT MAN--this has less
aberrant sex and graphic gore than any other Lynch film.

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:20:25 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

Here's another perhaps odd one to include:
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS

Jeff Clark
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Subject:      Re: Bette Davis movie recommendations, anyone?

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 01:27pm DST
                                        From:     Will K. Covington
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Subject: RE: Bette Davis movie recommendations, anyone?

Anjani:

For Bette Davis as a young ingenue try The Petrified Forest.  Also features
Humphrey Bogart and Leslie Howard.  For her at the height of ruthlessness try
The Little Foxes (1941).  Also, The Letter (1940) is another oldie with "Ms.
Davis quite appealing in an unsympathetic role."
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:56:20 BST
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re:Films about Frontiers
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The movie with Ed Harris and Michael Biehn is The Abyss,
probably the worst movie James Cameron has made.This movie
certainly explored the limits of an audiences' credulity

                          John Smyth.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:07:52 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      court/movies

My Cousin Vinny
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:29:38 -0500
From:         acs_hahr@ENTERPRISE.ACC.UWRF.EDU
Subject:      Re: Delicatessan
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I hope someone finds this reply humours...

Someone asked who wrote/directed DELICATESSAN?

Someone else (pardon me not tracking your names) replied that the
movie felt a lot like Terry Gilliam's BRAZIL.

Well, Terry Gilliam wrote and directed DELICATESSAN. He is best known
for directing THE FISHER KING and BRAZIL.

ed.j.hahr@uwrf.edu
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:30:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: The Law in Movies

In Fritz Lang's "M", P Lorre is tried by the Berlin underworld...

And how can we forget THE TRIAL OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD...

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:41:00 EST
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 11:40am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Bette Davis movie recommendations, anyone?

Anjani:

See _Now Voyager_.  Since, we disagree on so much, you'll probably hate it, but
at least well have something to talk about.

Ellen
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:49:00 CDT
From:         Sandra Ballasch <CADSANTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Top Ten Gross

Scott -

I have to make one minor disagreement with your list of "flat"
movies (ignoring the box office).  I loved Lethal Weapon III.  The
Leathal Weapon movies are the only action movies that I have actually
gone to a theatre to see and I think this one had some great stuff
(besides Mel Gibson) in it.  It managed to include a woman into
what is basically a male buddy movie and not destroy the chemistry
that made the two earlier movies so good.  I view these three movies
as basically fairy tales so I usually do not get too excited about
how far they stray from reality (VERY FAR) but for the first time
it did seem to me that one of the characters actually realized that
they were shooting at real people and there were consequences.  Granted
this only occurs when Roger shoots his son's friend - but it is one
more time than has ever been suggested in the earlier movies.

> Some of the most eagerly awaited movies for the summer were real busts
> (not all at the box-office, but disappointments) -- Leathal Weapon III,
> Batman 2, Alien 3, Patriot Games, Boomerang -- they all left me flat.
>
> The two films that I would pick as standouts for the summer both started
> late and are still running strong.  Eastwood's _Unforgiven_ and
> Marshall's _League of Their Own_.  I haven't seenm _Sister Act_, but
> I'll bet that it's another comedy I'll hate (I laughed a lot at
> _Stay Tuned_ but it was still dumb.)
>
> -scott
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:47:16 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: INTOLERANCE

John,
I'm not sure what you mean by "vignetted" in regards to the _Intolernace_
TV broadcast--but if that means just borders around the picture so it sits
in a box (inside The Box), then it was probably a form of "letterboxing"
called "windowboxing". This may have been done to insure that--even though
the original aspect ratio was roughly the same as that for a TV picture--
none of the whole picture on the top, bottom and sides, would be lost to
"overscan".  Overscan is mainly a phenomenon of non-professional video
equipment, wherein the processing of the video signal tends to trim the
edges of the picture (that is, make sure it's expanded to larger than screen
size) so that if some irregularity in the voltage (I think...) occurs, the
picture won't "shrink" to less that screen size and leave vacant black edges
that might annoy viewers (the same ones, doubtless, who'd never accept
letterboxing let alone windowboxing!).  If this was the case in that broad-
cast, someone thought highly enough of the film and Griffith's compositions
to want to be as faithful to them as possible.  It _is_ still a great and
thrilling film to watch, with many if not most of the cinematic techniques
we now take for granted (even if only in embryo here).

Since I'm also a laserdisc fan, I'll point out too that windowboxing has been
tried on selected films--most notably, Polanski's _Chinatown_, since in that
one he often tends to use the last inch of the screen for compositional details,
   all the way out to the edges.  I've also noticed lately that letterboxed film
   s
released by Warner Bros. on disc, appear on my projection TV to be 'boxed on
_three_ sides (top, bottom, and right)... which may indicate that they're
really windowboxed slightly on the sides, and my own projector's irregular
overscan (about 50% more on the left than the right) has just taken the leftside
   'boxing out to the very edge and made it invisible. Haven't checked the effec
   t
yet on other monitors (which is silly, since I'm in charge of an av dept!).

But enough of all that for now...
Jeff Clark
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:34:38 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers
              30 Aug 1992 12:39:35 EDT from GEORGE RAISER
              <ST402234@BROWNVM.BITNET>

From:  Mary Shaffer


George -

"Mountains of the Moon" is the recent film about the search for the Nile.

Thanks,
Mary
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From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Mystery Science Theater 3000 (a.k.a. MST 3K)

In St. Louis my folks get it (in their opinion regrettably)
on Comedy Central.  I think this same station is Video Hits One
during certain times, though I'm not sure.  All I know is if
Columbia MO doesn't get it, the cable folks have lost a customer.
(Then again I understand that ESPN has picked up NHL action for
the upcoming year so I might just keep it  <read: Let's go Blues!>)

Joe Daus  U of MO-COlumbia
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Kafka-esque
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	I saw that the movie had opened in L.A. and N.Y. this
past December to give it some Oscar hopes, but it never opened
wide, does anyone know when it's due on tape?

-scott
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:00:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: INTOLERANCE

>the original aspect ratio was roughly the same as that for a TV picture--

Didn't Griffith, and contemporaries, shoot in a pre-Academy ratio that was
closer to square?

Some years ago I caught a screening of INTOLERANCE at Wesleyan U. in
Connecticut, shown with a live piano accompaniment. It was a revelation.

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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:59:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: sex in movies (_Basic Instinct_)

>Sharon Stone is a lesbian.  Sharon
>Stone is a murderer.  Therefore, all lesbians are murderers?  I am still
>baffled by this logic.

But think of the wonders this kind of logic can produce:

All waitress/murderers drive off cliffs in the Southwest.
All Newport matrons who eat ice cream with sunglasses on wind up in a coma.
All Dallas strip-joint owners shoot accused assassins.
All psychiatrists with British accents eat peoples' livers with fava beans.

etc etc
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