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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:13:49 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <31781@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy
Little) wrote:
> 
> [decision table omitted: see post]

I consider this canine-nazism.  Look, if the concern is to maintain
a pure strain, then fine -- there is a point to this approach. I can
dearly appreciate the historical basis for _pure_ breeds.  Otherwise,
this approach to breeding your dog is BULLSHIT.  It files in the face
of one of the reasons people have dogs -- to enjoy the attributes that
they already have and to risk (like you risk having children yourself)
the possibility that their offspring won't be _perfect._

I know, I know.  I just fell out of the mainstream, but my philosophy
has worked well for almost 50 years.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:21:13 GMT

I used to roll my standard poodle on her back on the floor in
between my legs.  She'd close her eyes and relax as I clipped
her nails.  She's been gone now almost a year (died at 12 yrs).

Now I have a rescued 8 yr old mini/toy who is nearly blind and a
bona fide biter.  He gets muzzled and put in a grooming noose
PLUS kisses during the process.  He is ever so slowly getting
use to the fact that getting his nails cut won't result in his
death.  Still he'll growl and go after my hand. (had him <10
months)

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Subject: Re: dog eating rocks
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:41:30 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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Earlier this year I thought my puppy had eaten 2 nickels.  She was acting quite
constipated (straining to 'go' but nothing happening), so the vet said to bring
her in for xrays.  Xrays revealed no nickels, but vet said she seemed to have
been eating rocks, as "her stomach was full of them" according to the vet.

Well, to make a long story short, several hundred $$$ worth of vet bills & xray
bills later, & 2 days later, the dog came home from the vet (in PERFECT health,
in my opinion).  The vet had done nothing except "monitored her condition", &
everything came out just fine.  I was less than happy that it cost me so much
just to watch Nature take its course, apparently mostly with xrays.  No wonder
Buffer seems to have a strange "glow" to her lately...   ;-)

I think that Nature takes care of most of these peculiar gustatory habits, just
fine.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: misty@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: breed clubs
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:32:05 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hello!
Does anyone know of any breed clubs in Canada?  I tried
looking in my yellow pages, but I had no luck.
Thanks in advance!

-Rachel
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pone@cs.mcgill.ca (Daniel Shields)
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:31:13 GMT

In article <9301261343.AA13214@mesa.dcrt.nih.gov> young@alw.nih.gov writes:
>
>The breed is used for a purpose, hunting.  Hunting requires that 
>some breeds tails be docked.  Neutering every Brittany that has
>a docked tail is not a useful solution.
>
>-- 
>___________	
>	jy
>	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov


 Please pardon my ignorance, but why is it that some hunting breeds, such
as all retrievers, setters and the exception of the pointer, are able to 
perform their job in identical cover as breeds with docked tails? (most     
spaniels, german shorthaired and wirehaired pointers, vizslas, weimaraners,
etc).   The advantages of a tail are obvious in the water, which explains
the retrievers and the american and english water spaniels, but what is the
liability of  a tail in any cover? And how do the jobs of setters and spaniels,
the pointer and shorthaired pointer differ enough to make a tail necessary for
one and not the other?                      
 
This is a genuine question, not a flame.

Lisa  

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From: sw@sei.cmu.edu (Shelley Woosley)
Subject: Help: biting
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:27:21 EST


I just started reading this so I'm sorry if this is a frequently asked
question.   

My puppy is 3 months old and while I understand that she is teething, she
bites me constantly.  Not just chewing but drawing blood.  Even when I'm just 
sitting on the couch, she jumps up at my face!  I've tried Bitter Apple but it
doesn't really work.  Besides, I can't cover my body in it.  My obedience 
trainer said to say "uh-huh" and give her a toy but the puppy is way beyond 
"uh-huh" at this point.  I need something seriously unpleasant to do when she 
bites.  Any suggestions?

The puppy is a mutt: part Chow, part Lab if that matters

Thanks,
Shell
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Weimeraner Breeder needed
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:55:38 GMT

Hey netters --

A friend of mine is looking for a well-bred Weimy -- Anyone know of any 
reputable breeders, preferably on the East coast?

Thanx -- Chris R
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: NEW ADDITION II
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 21:13:51 GMT

In article <106611@netnews.upenn.edu> sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:

Congratulations on your Gordon Setter puppy!  I think they are truly elegant.

>
>Oh, we don't have a name for her yet.  We would like something
>Scottish or Irish but so far all we've come up with Guinness or 
>Morgan.  Any ideas?  Her full name can only consist of
> 25    spaces and must include RAGGEDEDGE.
>

I love it when people ask for name suggestions.  Is Raggededge the kennel 
name?

I thought of a few:

Raggedy Ann
Rafferty's Rules (is old slang for no rules at all)  oops!
    it's probably too long
Ragazza (Italian for girl)
Rainbow-Chaser
Ranee (pronounced RAW-nee; a Hindu queen or princess)
Rapparee (pronounced RAP-uh-ree; a 17th century Irish
     term for a free-booter, bandit, or robber)
Ravenspur (former seaport town in Yorkshire England)
Razilee (pronounced rah-zi-LEE; a popular Israeli girl's
     name, it means my secret)
Razzle-Dazzle
Razzmatazz
Reverie
Rigadoon (a lively, jumping dance)
Romany (a gypsy or the gypsy language)

For the Irish or Scotch influence

Brenda (Irish Gaelic for little raven) variations:  Brenna
Briann (Celtic:  Hill, strength; the feminine of Brian)
     variations:  Briana, Brianne, Brianna, Bryna
Bridget (Celtic:  Strong) variations:  Bridgette, Brigitta, Brigit,
     Brita, Brydie, Britt, Brittany
Coleen (Irish:  girl) variations:  Coline, Colleen, Colina, Colly
Deirdre (Old Celtic: the raging one)
Deron (Irish Gaelic:  great one, red one) variations:  Derren
Donia (Scotch:  world ruler, the feminine of Donald) 
     variations:  Donella, Donalleen, Donette
Duncanne (Celtic:  brown chieftainess; the feminine of Duncan)
Erin (Irish Gaelic:  from Ireland) variations:  Erina, Eryn
Flanna (Irish Gaelic:  red-haired)
Kerrie (Celtic:  dark one) variations:  Keree, Kerry
Mab (Irish Gaelic:  mirth, joy) variations:  Mave, Meave, Mavis
Mavis (Celtic:  the song thrush)
Meara (Irish Gaelic:  mirth)
Mona (Irish Gaelic:  noble)
Neala (Irish Gaelic: champion, the feminine of Neal) 
     variations:  Neillie, Neeley
Oona (Irish: unity)
Tara (Irish Gaelic: the crag) variations:  Taryn, Taran
Tegan (Celtic:  a doe)
Tullia (Irish Gaelic:  truthful, quiet one)

Well, you're probably bored silly by now.....hope this helps and gets
others thinking.

schalene

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Subject: 2 dogs vs 1 dog
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:38:21 GMT


We have a 1 year old Catahoula hound (45lbs, short hair) named Gaucho. He is 
well trained for his age, loves people and dogs.  The family includes myself, 
wife, 13 year old daughter, and Gaucho.  We have a typical suburban house.
During the day Gaucho is alone in the yard, approximately 30ft by 80ft.  He 
gets walks/runs once or more per day with me, and he goes lots of places 
with the family (beach, dog run, hiking, etc.)  He and we are hppy.

We have the opportunity to get one of Gaucho's sisters as the folks that 
have her must give her up due to an unforseen job change.  She is the same
size and temperament.  I believe she is probably not as well trained.  I would
verify all this before taking her.

My question:  What are the advantages/disadvantages to 2 dogs?  How about
comments on these:

Advantages
----------
-Dog companionship during weekdays(or evenings) when humans gone
-Could leave the 2 dogs a bit longer (overnight?) than one dog 
-More dog exercise with less human required time

Disadvantages
-------------
-Double all costs (food, medical, kennel, etc)
-Double work (more poop, 2 baths, double flea battle)
-harder to take 2 dogs for a walk,run, rollerblade
-Harder to take 2 dogs on trips in car, visit art/wine festivals, etc.

Questionable
------------
-Dogs more in tune with each other than humans, ignore humans?
-More destruction by playing together and banging into things in house?
-Less destruction since they play instead of dig/chew?
-Happier regularly, less worried about being left behind?


What do people that have had 1 and 2 dogs think?  Which is more convenient
for the humans and how much happier are the dogs with a dog companion?

Matt
blake@nas.nasa.gov
From: sharonl@informix.com (Sharon Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: CHOW Breeder
Summary: recommendations wanted
Keywords: Reputable!
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:07:26 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Have had a very unhappy experience with family pet recently.  The chow was
beautiful and nice to live with, but finally had to be put to sleep with
severe displasia and arthritis, at only five years old.  We are looking
for an extremely reputable chow breeder, who will not sell anything but
clean chows, no displasia, no eyelid problems, etc.  We have heard that
breeders in the U.S. are inclined to have lower standards than those in
Europe.  Is this true?  Is it possible to find a clean chow in this
country?  This beaautiful and loved animal ended up costing my family
over $2K in vet bills, and we still don't have a dog.  any advice will
be gratefully accepted.  email sharonl@informix.com, or mail to 46
Dewey Circle, Morgan Hill, CA 95037.  Thanks.
From: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: DOG LOVES THE BATHTUB
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 

Well our new golden retriever loves the bath tub. She learned (on
her own) how to crawl over the edge of the tub and slide into the
tub. She thinks it is a great playground. We have turned the water
on and she has great fun eating the water.
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: flooring materials
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:09:17 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Philip Garnier (pgarnier@s.psych.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Can anyone out there help me?  Although we do crate our dogs (two border
: terrier bitches) during the day (though rarely more than 4 hours at a shot,
: I've built an 8' x 8' pen in our basement for them to romp in.  The problem
: is that it is a bit cool, particularly on the cement floor.  Anyone have any
: ideas about what to put down on the floor to warm it up a bit?

: Dri-tek tiles are out of the question - for the cost I could buy them their own condo.  I think that they would eat cedar shavings.  And, I'm a bit worried 
: about fumes given off by new carpets - I've seen several news reports about
: people in office building getting sick after their offices had been carpeted.

: Any ideas?

I'm about to do the same thing and I plan on getting a couple of sheets ot
styrofoam to put under plywood.  I'm probably going to put floor tiles on top
of the plywood, although linoleum or used carpet is a possibility too.

Karen
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: German Shepard/Labrador comparison
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:07:49 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan23.072827.6106@gtx.uucp>
   bryan@gtx.com () writes:
 
>  My wife and I are considering getting either a German Shepard or a Labrador
>  retriever.  Can anyone offer any helpful hints or comparisons of these two
>  fine breeds of dog?  Things like ease of training, shedding, breed traits,
>  etc.  I'm have been doing some research of these breeds so I am aware of
>  the basics, but would be interested in hearing some first hand experiences.
>  Thanx much!
 
I have one of each.  My mother used to raise GSD's, and I raise Labs (I
like to duck hunt alot, so Labs were an obvious choice for me).  IMHO,
both are fine animals and I am really torn trying decide which is
"better".  Perhaps a better question is "which is the best breed for
you?".  If you are planning on occasionally (or even frequently) using
the dog for hunting, the Lab wins hands down (GSD's make lousy hunting
dogs!).  If you want a dog that will help protect your family, the GSD is
the better choice.
 
 
They are about equally easy to train.  The GSD sheds alot more, but Labs
*do* shed (some people might tell you otherwise).  GSD's tend to be the
more loyal of the 2 breeds (which explains why the Guide Dog foundation
prefers Labs to GSD's - the GSD will often bond too tightly to it's
trainer and have some trouble adjusting to it's new owner).  But for a
dog for a family, that's probably an asset (my GSD was given to us when
he was 2.5 years old.  It took him about 6 months to really view us as
his family, but once he did, he was bonded just as tightly as if we had
gotten him as a puppy.  The Guide Dog Foundation does use GSD's because
they are extremely intelligent (imho, the most intelligent of all
breeds).
 
Health - Labs tend to have *slightly* fewer problems with CHD (hip
displysia) than GSD's.  My GSD is dysplastic, but he is 11.5 years old
and is still asymptomatic.  You also have to be a somewhat more careful
about temperament with GSD's, but that is good advice for any breed of
dog.
 
Some may tell you otherwise, but I feel like both are about equally good
with children, other pets, etc.  Of the 2, I think the GSD is the better
looking dog (ok, Cindy and Liza can blast me now ;-) ).
 
 
My advise: IF you are getting the dog for a family pet (sounds like it),
I think the GSD is probably a slightly better choice.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann)
Subject: Re: samoyeds
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:08:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan24.034949.62816@watson.ibm.com> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
>Well I am glad to hear that someone else out there is the proud owner of a 
>samoyed.  I was beginning to think I was the only one.  My boyfriend and I 
>have a 6.5 month old female samoyed named Jasper.  We got her when she was 7 
>weeks old and she has brought us nothing but joy and happiness since the day 
>we brought her home.  We even had to travel 11 hours by car to get her 
>because no one around here breeds them anymore.  Actually its kind of nice 
>having a not so popular breed because she is so beautiful that when we are 
>out for walks she turns people's heads, even people in cars.

Vector ( aka Hellhound aka Fluffster aka Destructo ) is dangerous to take
for walks.  Every kid that sees him has to come pet him, and I've been
invited into the houses of total strangers several times because the 
person speaking to me wanted someone inside the house to see him !

>We have been fortunate, so far, and not had too many problems with her.  We 
>crate trained her from the beginning and that seemed to work great.  We no 
>longer crate her at night but we do crate her during the day when we are at 
>work or when we are out together.  She does tend to dig and she also likes 
>to nip or bite a bit, but not in an aggressive manner.  She is very friendly 
>with everyone.  There have only been about two people that she has kind of 
>barked at.  Other than that she rarely barks which is kind of nice.  In 
>other words she only barks when she has reason to.  However, she does not 
>let us know verbally anyway, when she needs out.  She just sort of sits in 
>front of you or trys to get your attention by pawing you.  Then we ask if 
>she wants "outside" and she heads for the door.

While we call him Destructo, I gather from reading this newsgroup that he
doesn't really deserve it.  Compared to the cats, he does far more damage,
but maybe if the fuzz were 8 times the size they are we'd have better grounds
for comparison.  

The only time he really goes in for barking is when he sees us putting on
our shoes.  He knows that that usually means a walk, and ooh, he likes 
walks.  In addition to barking, he woo woo's occasionally, much like
I've heard huskies do.  

Ritual disclaimer : My opinion and mine alone !  Convex, as best I can tell,
doesn't have opinions, being a corporate entity...
Carla Oexmann        {allegra, sun, harvard, uiucdcs, ctvax}!convex!oexmann
Convex Computer Corp.  3000 Waterview Parkway P.O. Box 833851 Richardson, TX
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rurfin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rural Finance Group)
Subject: Re: CRATES
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:28 GMT

Sorry, this makes no sense.  I seem to have miss-posted.  Hope this one goes 
through.

I had said that we initially used a crate for our *mixed-parentage* dog when
she was a puppy.  However, she really didn't like it due to having been
crated when she was very young.  We rescued her from a shelter who told
us that she had been thrown out of a moving car.  Fortunately, the car
behind had humans in it, who stopped and took her to the shelter.  She
had a broken leg, and had to crated day and night for approx. 5 months.
She was the puppy-from-h*ll when she was released.  When we adopted her
at 6 months, she didn't want to be crated at all.  However, she also wanted
to destroy the house. :-)  We were able to crate her until she got out of the 
puppy stage, now we keep her in the kitchen with a baby-gate and she is
much happier.

On another note, we also keep bells on the door as I said before, and I
wondered if anyone else does the same.

Lori
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: seg@cbncp1.ATT.COM (Scott Gordon X6133)
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:11:07 GMT

Perhaps the idea is the dominance.  

I used to get my Akita to lay down on his side.  I would straddle him
and go to work.  Lots of postivie reinforcement.

The funny story was when I was doing this in the front yard and the
crusing police officer stopped by to see if everything was OK.   :-)

Much of it is your comfort with the procedure as well as the dog
knowing that you won't hurt it.  This takes time and patience.


Scott Gordon
seg@cblpn.cb.att.com
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From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews)
Subject: Re: Carnation home delivery (was Problems with Pro Plan Turkey?)
Keywords: Pro Plan, food, Carnation
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:31:42 GMT

In article <1jptpvINNlbl@crcnis1.unl.edu> jvirts@unl.edu (jacquelyn virts) writes:
>Our GSD loves his Pro Plan with Turkey; however, I _have_ heard of at 
>least one other person who got what he considered to be a bad batch of
>the Pro Plan with Chicken some time back.  His dog wouldn't eat it  
>and he took it back to the place of purchase and they gave him a new 
>bag.  Apparently this happens sometimes, although I don't know how 
>often.  
>
>Davey actually seems to like the turkey and barley formula better than
>the chicken.  Hopefully this is just a one-time thing!

Our dogs also were bored with Pro Plan chicken and preferred the
turkey/barley more.

Now that I read here that the lamb/rice formulas can be bad I'm thinking
of trying the feed that Carnation sends by home delivery. Anybody have
any experience with the Carnation plan and their 800 phone number?


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From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: On Late Night TV!
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:40:39 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <C182ME.M5K@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu writes:
|> 
|> I don't think I was dreaming! ;)  But over the weekend I was watching
|> TV late at night and I saw an ad put out by AKC. The ad basically  
|> said the things we're always saying here about getting a dog. IT 
|> warned the viewers that dogs required a long term commitment,
|> don't get a dog just for a child as the adult will end up doing the 
|> work, dogs need love, companionship, exercise, training, and good
|> care, etc. It really made me feel good that the AKC finally put an
|> ad out telling people to think it over before they go out and get
|> a dog...too bad it was on so late at night!!!
|> 
|> Anyone else seen AKC commercials lately????
|> 
|> Kay & Crew   

Not the AKC, but the local news in Portland Oregon basically sent the same
message around Christmas when folks think of giving puppies for a gift.
They stated that it may not be a good idea for the recipient.

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
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