From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
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In this issue:
                                Greeting
                              subscription
                                 LeGuin
                            Rev. Peter Gomes
                 LARRY GROSS TO SPEAK AT SUSQUEHANNA U.
                          Rupert Everett Quiz
              A GayNet Reunion at the March on Washington
                             camille paglia
                    "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"
                             Greg Louganis
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3
                              Julie Brown
                             request_gaynet
                         Voices from the Front
                                KULCHUR
                                  ???
                     a new member for our family...
                       Reference on GLB diversity
                              start me up
                        donizeti, where are you?
                 If It's Trivial, Chances are I Know It
                               OUT list?
                 Leave My Body on the White House Steps
                  _OutLook_ is dead--what about _GCN_?
                             LGB Musicians
                              Julie Brown
            GayNet Party at the March on Washington in April

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Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:22:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: COLE@utkvx.utk.edu
Subject: Greeting
Mime-Version: 1.0

To whom it may concern:

I am interested in subscribing to GAYNET, though I don't know
an awful lot about networks at this point.  Any info you could
provide would be great. I think my address is COLE@UTKVX.VX.EDU,
but I assume it will post it properly at the top of my message.
Thanks!
--R. Cole

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Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:51:39 -0500 (EST)
From: SHELTON@Butler.EDU
Subject: subscription
Mime-Version: 1.0

Please include me on The Net.  My address is "mcnamara@ucs.indiana.edu".
Thanks!

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Subject: LeGuin
From: rodney@oxy.edu (Rodney J. Hoffman)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:42:15 PST

Count me as one of those surprised to see Ursula LeGuin on Mark's OUT
list.

Mark, thanks for telling us that this entry came from the Amer. Library
Assoc. list.  Do they give any references for it?  I've read most of
LeGuin, including most of her non-fiction, and I don't think I've seen
her say anything about it.

  -- Rodney Hoffman
     rodney@oxy.edu

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From: "Michele A. Walters" <michele@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:29:46 -0400
Subject: Rev. Peter Gomes

There was an article on Rev. Gomes in the Washington Post.  If I recall
correctly, he is a Republican, is celibate, believes that sex outside
of marriage is not condoned by scripture --

But got SICK AND TIRED of the self-righteous religious folks condemning
other people for BEING gay.

Made quite an impression on ME.  I'm a Christian, but the hatred I've
seen coming out of self-proclaimed judges of others reminds me more of
the Pharasees than of Jesus (friend of prostitutes and tax collectors).

"Hate is NOT a Family Value"  (from a button I got at Lambda Rising)


Grace, and Peace!

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From: hoffmanf@einstein.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
>From: hoffmanf
Date: Thu Oct 15 20:36:04 EDT 1992
Subject: LARRY GROSS TO SPEAK AT SUSQUEHANNA U.
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-hoffmanf-000000real-402>

        PROFESSOR LARRY GROSS TO SPEAK AT SUSQUEHANNA UNIVERSITY

Central Pennsylvanians, mark your calendars.  Larry Gross, Professor of
Communications at the University of Pennsylvania (and Gaynetter), will be
delivering two lectures at Susquehanna University, both on Wednesday,
November 18th.

        "Being Gay in American Media and American Culture"  12:30 pm
                Isaacs Auditorium, Seibert Hall

        "Art and Pornography: Battlegrounds of the Sexual Counter Revolution"
                4:15 pm  Isaacs Auditorium, Seibert Hall

Susquehanna University is located in Selinsgrove, PA (about 1 hour north of
Harrisburg on Rtes. 11 & 15).  For more information, contact Frank Hoffman at
(717) 372-4200 or HOFFMANF@einstein.susqu.edu.

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:36:15 EDT
Subject: Rupert Everett Quiz

Hiwdy!
     Will someone who has seen the movie *please* clear up whether Rupert
Everett was in "A Room with a View" or not?  Someone wrote me that he wasn't;
now Steve Smith, who owns a copy of the video, says he was.
     More important, *was he in the nude scene?*
     Inquiring minds and list-keepers want to know!

Mark in Virginia

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:03:17 EDT
Subject: A GayNet Reunion at the March on Washington

Howdy!
     It appears that there is a good amount of interest in having a GayNet
party thaaaang the weekend of the March on Washington (last weekend in
April).  I'll ask y'all about details in the next couple of weeks.
     Later!

Mark in Virginia
"A 'slut' is just somebody who's having more sex than you are."

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From: Tim Pierce <twpierce@cs.amherst.edu>
Subject: camille paglia
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:36:48 -0400 (EDT)

William Robboy <wrobboy@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu> said:

> A couple of nights ago the Canadian radio show "As It Happens" broadcast
> a talk, or part of it, that Paglia gave to some feminist group in New York.
> In the course of it she said she found it preposterous that people call her
> anti-women when she's been openly lesbian for 25 years.

Ridiculous.  Are there not humans who are anti-human?

-
____ Tim Pierce                / The Queer Resources Directory: access via
\  / twpierce@cs.amherst.edu   / anonymous ftp at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / directory /pub/QRD.

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From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"
Date: 16 Oct 1992 05:35:59 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
Distribution: world

gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu writes:

>Larry Goldsmith <LGOLDSMI@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU> writes:

>>There's an excellent article in this week's _Nation_ (19 October 1992), by
>>Darrell Yates Rist, called "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"  It's about the
>>dangers of a "We were born this way, we can't help it, so give us our
>>rights" politics that was discussed here a few weeks ago.  I think he
>>rather effectively demolishes the LeVay-ites....

If you mean that Mr. Rist has no concept of scientific inquiry and
displayed his ignorance completely, then yes, he demolished someone.

Colburn Eigen                                      H|u> = E|u>

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Date: Friday, 16 October 92 07:15:11 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Greg Louganis

Gaynetters:
Yes, it's Richard Foster again, or, Greg Louganis' "Future Life-mate" (as Mark
Hertzog would call me) with a question.  I know that Greg IS GAY, but is he a
Democrat or a REpublican?  I'm waiting with anticipation for someone to E-Mail
me their response.

Richard Foster
UT AUstin

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 08:23:51 EST
From: HILLD@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: RE: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3

I have not received the Gaynet Digest since October 5 and am wondering if I
have been deleted from the mailing list. I miss your great news, dialogue,
and--of course--the best gossip! I hope to hear from you all soon!

Dennis Hill

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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:39:29 EDT
From: An Anonymous Sender

I was wondering if anyone can post the address for subscription to the magazine
 Christopher Street.

thanks..

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Date: 16 Oct 92 07:19:35 U
From: "CJones" <cjones@wylbur.physci.ucla.edu>
Subject: Julie Brown

 Subject:  Julie Brown
The Julie Brown who sings "'Cause I'm a Blond" on the soundtrack to "Earth
Girls are Easy" is _NOT_ Downtown Julie Brown from MTV (the one with the
obnoxious British accent.)  This Julie Brown DID have a show on MTV, however.
It was so bad I don't remember the format.

Julie Brown may be also remembered for "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" from
that fine album "Trapped in the Body of a White Girl."

________     Chad Jones
\      /     Department Computer Geek
 \    /      UCLA Department of Physiological Science
  \  /       cjones@physci.ucla.edu
   \/        (310) 825-6528

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Date:    Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:07:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: KANE_JOC@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: request_gaynet

Please add me to the list of subscribers for this interest
forum.

			John Kane

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From: DONIZETI@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Date: 16 Oct 1992 09:04:42 CDT
Subject: Voices from the Front

Last night I watched a 1 and 1/2 hour documentary shown on HBO
     entitled "Voices from the Front"-centered on ACTUP--PWA
     coalition and like minded group--It was fabulous--I kept
     asking myself (and knowing the answer fully well)--why
     haven't I been seeing these things on the commercial
     TV==it was a powerful work--Merle

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Date: 15 Oct 1992 15:25:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: DHOPES@UNCA.EDU
Subject: KULCHUR
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Mime-Version: 1.0

Howdy. Glad to know you all at last.
The Asheville gay community is getting itself together in a way one would not
have anticipated when I arrived here in 1984. OUT SOUTH, a festival of
the gay arts, drew small but appreciative crowds last month, and performance
artist  Karen Finley took on the honophobes (as well as everybody else) in
her first N Carolia appearance last week. There is the expectable backlash,
though. Perhaps ya'll heard of the Family Values March here in June (one week
following the Gay Pride Rally), led by a gaggle of hysterical local Baptist
ministers. The list of out-of-the-closet gays is INCREDIBLY useful and
interesting, but it will be perhaps more useful politically when it includes
the cop-on-the-corner, Bill the mailman, Jane the teacher's aid, Mario
the local priest.
	I'm really just flapping my fingers, I guess. I've been on this
network 2 days and already I know stuff I didn't know before. Thanx

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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:54:39 EDT
From: Kay Maxwell <CPDKAY@UKCC.uky.edu>
Organization: University of Kentucky
Subject:      ???

I am interested in locating any G/L/B "family" members who live or work or
attend school in the Hazard (Perry County) Kentucky area.  This would include
the Hazard Community College, Rural Health Center, and Appalachian Regional
Hospitals. Please make contact with:
CPDKAY@ukcc.uky.edu
(606) 277-4364.
This is NOT a fag hunt - we are exploring relocating.
Thanks and Hi to all!
kgm

******************************************************************
* HELP! HELP! METHINKS THE QUALS MONSTER IS COMING TO GET ME!!   *
* I PASSED MY QUALS! NOW THE DISSERTATION PROPOSAL MONSTER IS    *
* COMING AFTER ME! IS THERE EVER AN END TO THIS NIGHTMARE?       *
******************************************************************
*   KAY MAXWELL, A.B.D.             EDUCATIONAL POLICY STUDIES   *
*   293 WINN WAY                        AND EVALUATION           *
*   LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY 40503-2642  UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY       *
*   (606) 277-4364                  EMAIL: CPDKAY@UKCC.UKY.EDU   *
******************************************************************

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Fri Oct 16 11:14:52 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: a new member for our family...
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-322>

please add sharon grimm to our family......she's just too busy to figure out
how to get on the list herself, so she asked me to do it. her address is:

        grimm@bell.susqu.edu


        dreading the total perspective vortex....,
        rob

        rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu

we're on fall break this weekend, but sharon's staying here.......see you on
tuesday.....

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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 11:14:08 EDT
From: Ellen Greenblatt <ULCREG@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
Subject:      Reference on GLB diversity

Burt (and other interested parties) --
An excellent book about lesbigay issues on campus is:

Evans, Nancy J., and Vernon A. Wall, eds.  _Beyond Tolerance:  Gays,
   Lesbians, and Bisexuals on Campus_ (Alexandria, VA:  American College
   Personnel Association, 1991)

-  Ellen Greenblatt
   State University of New York at Buffalo
   ulcreg@ubvm (bitnet)  ulcreg@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (internet)

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From: momo@leland.stanford.edu
Subject: start me up
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 9:24:48 PDT

Hello again, gaynet! Please subscribe me.


Volker

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From: momo@leland.stanford.edu
Subject: donizeti, where are you?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 9:30:03 PDT

Dear Mernie,


Please write me so I can have your e-mail address. The snail mail
packet didn't have it.

Sorry to bother the whole group with this.



Volker

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From: <MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu>
Subject: If It's Trivial, Chances are I Know It
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 11:50:00 PDT
Encoding: 63 TEXT

1.)  Vince Clark is straight.  In fact, the last interview I read with Andy
Bell contained a whole section in which Bell discussed what it is like to
work with a straight man and if it caused conflicts.  Bell's answer, BTW, was
that Vince Clark is wonderful and should receive honorary queer status,
despite his unexplainable proclivities for members of the opposite sex.

2.)  Speaking of Vince, another Vince Clark founded band -- Depeche Mode --
was listed as a queer group.  I don't believe this is accurate.  Several
Moders have wives and children.  I think they work the look, but don't put
out.  It's an image, but nothing more.

3.)  Yes, Julie Brown did do the blond song, but she is NOT "Downtown" Julie
Brown.  In fact, the "Just Say Julie" Julie Brown got her gig on MTV as a
joke when "Downtown" Julie Brown was on vacation.  Another Julie Brown
recommendation, BTW, is her HBO (or was it Showtime?) special "Medusa: Dare
to Be Truthful," which chronicles the mythical Medusa's Blonde Leading the
Blonde concert tour.  The show truly deflates the pretentious posing of that
other blond.  Don't think it's available on video, but some of us have taped
copies.
    BTW, is anybody else already sick of hearing about Madonna's "daring"
new book and album?  I've heard the single -- BORING.  She talks her way
through it while the musicians do all the work.  Oh well, at least she can
perform it live in concert.  The same can't be said for much of her
catalogue.  Sorry, but I had hopes for her after she did such a great job
with the Sondheim songs.  It's sad to see her sink back into this
sexploitation dreck.

4.)  MOO, we're still waiting to hear from you.  We have some messages for
your screen only, things that can't be sent for public viewing.

5.)  Well, after the flaky sentences I've written above, you may or may not
trust my opinion on this, but any fan of sci-fi/fantasy MUST read the Edgar
Pangborn books.  Although he won a Hugo in the '50s, his best works were
published later.  The stand-out is "Davy," a kind of post-holocaust version
of "Tom Jones."  While Davy isn't queer, the book is definitely queer
informed.  Also recommended is a collection of short stories, all set in the
same mythical future called "Still I Persist in Wondering."  Several of the
stories deal explicitly with gay themes, best are "The Night Wind" about the
troubles faced by a gay teenager when his village discovers his relationship
with a younger boy,  and "Harper Conan and Singer David," a beautiful and
very sad romantic story about two men who find compatibility in both their
personal lives and their musical talents.  It predates the AIDS crisis by two
decades or so, but the two seem connected nonetheless.
    Are there any other Pangborn groupies out there, BTW?  I've never met
another one, but every time I'm in a used book store and find copies of
"Davy," I buy them so I can give them to friends.  Also, I'd love to get my
hands on a copy of "Good Neighbors and Other Strangers," (another Pangborn
short story anthology).

This is longer than I intended.  Sorry to those of you who don't like to be
bothered with trivial things like music and soap operas.

Marky Dee

"But I do tell you this, any manner of love is good, so long as there is
kindness in it."  From "The Night Wind" by Edgar Pangborn

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: OUT list?
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:50:49 GMT

flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu> writes:

>          to Ron Buckmire: Yes Peter Gomez came out at Harvard, as did
>            Professor Barbara Johnson, thro Marjorie Garber probably
>            hasn't
So, the same Peter Gomes who wrote the Op-Ed piece in the NYT is a Gay Black
Republican and a chaplain at Havard?

>          Sherry Harris is the first OPEN African-American lesbian
>            elected to public office (at least one or two others who
>          were not open: the late Dr. ethel Allen of Phila City
>          Council and, I'm sure, former Rep. Barbara Jordan)
Barbara Jordain is OPENLY lesbian??

>          saying Ann-Imelda Radice is openly lesbian is really a
>            stretch!
Well, not really. It's definitely an "open secret" and she has never denied
the reports in the Queer Media.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Leave My Body on the White House Steps
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:53:02 GMT

"Iguana Man Hokan (Sandone, J. T.)" <SANDONE@DICKINSON.EDU> writes:

>Ron...I hope that this is what you were looking for...

Yeah, that was it, thanks. "Somehow I thought it was longer..." :=)
--
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: _OutLook_ is dead--what about _GCN_?
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:00:56 GMT

"Michael S. Montgomery" <MICHAEL@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> writes:

>In a letter from Robin Stevens, Managing Editor, I learned today that "After
>much financial difficulty and careful consideration of many options, the
>Out/Look Foundation has decided to make as graceful an exit as possible.  We
>have suspended operations and will no longer be publishing the magazine."
>Requiescat in pace, _OutLook_.  You will be sorely missed.

How weird!! In the last issue they mentioned it but it seemed like they WERE
ggoingto publish another issue. Too bad, I guess.

I would definitely recommend _QW_ for a weekly newsmagazine, and THE ADVOCATE
has actually approved quite rapidly since the celebrated upgrade over the
summer.

Also, if you can get a Queerzine that subscribes to the Gaynet News Servive,
like IN [NorthEast] then you can get very recent news on Queer Happenings all
around the globe. [It's run by Rex Wokner out of Chicago]

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I think every straight guy should have another man's tongue in his mouth
atleast once." -Madonna, quoted in NEWSWEEK, quoting from The ADVOCATE.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: LGB Musicians
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:03:03 GMT

You forgot:

Castleberry& Dupree
Morissey
The Smiths
Consolidated [mispelled as Consolidates?]

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I think every straight guy should have another man's tongue in his mouth
atleast once." -Madonna, quoted in NEWSWEEK, quoting from The ADVOCATE.

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Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:05:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: SLOMOWR@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Subject: Julie Brown
Mime-Version: 1.0

To Sarah,

The Julie Brown who does "Cause I'm a Blonde" on the Earth Girls are Easy
Soundtrack is not DOWNTOWN Julie Brown.  This Julie Brown is the red head
who can currently be seen on "the edge" on Fox Stations.  If you have not
seen Earth Girls are Easy, I highly recommend it.

-= RoNaLd =-

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: GayNet Party at the March on Washington in April
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:05:07 GMT

Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU> writes:

>Howdy again!
>     In that there will be several hundred GayNetters in D.C. for the March
>on Washington (that's Sunday, April 25, y'all), and in that we'll probably
>all be marching in different contingents, staying with different people,
>etc., it'd be nice to get a number of us together at some one point over that
>weekend at PAAAH-TAY!

Well presumablya  fair number of us will at least stop by the National Student
Conference [or NELGBSA X] that should be occurring on the Friday/Saturday
before Sunday's March on Washiongton.
--
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I think every straight guy should have another man's tongue in his mouth
atleast once." -Madonna, quoted in NEWSWEEK, quoting from The ADVOCATE.

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