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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:50:44 -0500 
From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sixties newsgroup (was: Rolling Stones)
	<1992Nov16.191253.1400@praxis.co.uk>

Guess what!? There is a brand-new newsgroup,
netnews.alt.rock-n-roll.classic. Unfortunately, so far it has been
devoted to "X are the most totally awesome band ever because they're
just so amazing and no one else is as good so nyah." Not a promising
start for those seeking intelligent discourse (such as is typified by
this board)(not really sarcasm, but not that smug, either).

JMR
HSK
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Creating a new newsgroup/rec.music.sixties.perhaps
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:49:09 GMT

Someone asked last week whether it would be feasible to create
rec.music.sixties or some such group to accommodate discussions
about sixties music (however you define that period) in a more
general forum than rec.music.beatles.

While we have no objections to these discussions going on in
r.m.b. (it's virtually a part of our charter...so would the
gentleman who objected to Colm Mulcahy's post on the Monkees
kindly relax? :-) it might be nice to have a larger home for
intense debates about music of the 1960's.

Creating a new newsgroup involves a certain amount of responsibility
and tenacity, including the wherewithall to initiate and moderate
discussions on the subject, create a charter, collect votes, and
work with the gods of the Usenet hierarchy to establish the group
once all discussions and vote-taking is complete.

Anyone particularly interested in initiating the process should
email me for instructions, which I will happily forward to you.

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: More anomalies
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:45:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.062755.14033@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>
>PLEASE PLEASE ME

>"Why do I never even try girl"-- John, in the stereo version on the
>LP.  I again emphasize, not just a single line different, although
>that's most obvious, but the whole vocal is different.  Listen to the
>first line, about as far from the messed-up line as you can get: "Last
>night I said these words to my girl".  On both "night" and "my" you
>hear John's voice cracking on the mono, not on the stereo, and the
>mono as a whole has John more prominent in the vocals and sounding
>more raw.

That's what I've always thought. I also suspect I can hear
McCartney almost miss the correct lyric in the very first
verse---the same line Lennon flubs in the last repeat of
the verse. It's awfully hard to tell, but I suspect it's
there. And this mistake by Macca just doesn't seem evident
in the mono take.

>EVERY LITTLE THING and
>I'M LOOKING THROUGH YOU
>
>Mr Brown reports hearing Paul warm up before the vocal starts.  This
>is on the CD is it?  I don't hear it on the LP.  These are the two
>that GM remixed for CD, so I wonder whether that was hidden on the LP
>mix.  I also wonder whether the master tapes have changed over time,
>and you are just hearing the real vocal bleeding through to the
>previous wind of the tape, which would be bad news if true.

A mistake not dependent upon old tape: at 1:21 in "I'm Looking
Through You" someone (perhaps Butterfingers Starkey) drops
a tambourine. This percussion is used at various points in the
song but it's not a part of the sequence containing the lyric
"You were above me/But not today" (after which the noise is
heard). I suspect it's a drop, not just a mis-timed strike
of the instrument, because there's no furtive damping of the
tambourine as might happen if the striker had just realized
his error.

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: A Few Questions
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.205752.13787@halcon.dpi.udec.cl> jruiz@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Jesus Ruiz Matus) writes:
>	I'm new in this group I've been reading the articles posted
>by a few weeks, and I ask a few questions
>
>	First: Is there a FAQ of the group?, I was looking for it
>	       and I don't foud it

The list of available information notes, including a FAQ list, is posted
once a month. I'll go ahead and send you several that may be of interest.

>	Second: Can anybody give the complete reference of THE BOOK,
>	        and also if posible an address or reference of a place
>	        where I can buy it by mail


"The Beatles Complete Recording Sessions" (1988) is available from
Hamlyn/EMI books worldwide, and is written by Mark Lewisohn, who
has several other Beatles-related books in print (including the
recently released "The Complete Beatles Chronicle" (1992)). Check
your local booksellers for availability; I'm not sure whether
"Recording Sessions" is available in formats other than English.

An American company called Beatlefest sells many Beatles-related
books through the mail. You can write them at P.O. Box 436, Westwood,
NJ 07675, or FAX at (201) 666-8687 (affix appropriate international
codes).

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: douglas.kent@hal9000.UUCP (Douglas Kent) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: ANOTHER JOHN SCREWUP
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: douglas.kent@hal9000.UUCP (Douglas Kent) 

-> BTW, the unedited, 8 minutes-plus version of "It's All Too Much" has
-> been mad available on a new and very enjoyable vinyl boot called
-> "Arrive Without Traveling".

What else is on that?
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From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NOWHERE MAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I was in a record store this afternoon, and in the clearance
	bin I found both volumes of the 'Live at the Star Club'
	cassettes. Late spring or early summer, someone mentioned
	that these were being pulled from the shelves due to their
	questionable legality. Just thought I'd mention that if you're
	looking for them, they're still on the shelf......at least in
	Buffalo...........

mike
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:40:21 GMT
Subject: BEATLES POLL: ALL ARE WELCOME!
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles


Greetings fellow rmbers,

Regarding the poll question I put out yesterday:  I got a note from
someone born in '72 who felt that maybe they were disqualified.
Absolutely not!  I am REALLY interested in the votes of those born
after the Beatles - as there won't be any predjudices of time (as
there will be many Beatles elders from the US who would probably
vote for I Want To Hold Your Hand. 


ALL ARE WELCOME!

Dennis
dennis@hpwrc11.mayfield.hp.com
From: karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: The Beatles' greatest moment.
Keywords: Carry that weight.
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:19:20 GMT

On Abbey Road, just before that "The End" when Paul sings: "I only gave you
my invitations <the piano starts to dance> and in the middle of the 
celebrations .."  For me it symbolizes somehow the greatness of The Beatles,
the long and winding road from "Please, Please Me" to that great moment when
the piano started to dance.

Any opinions or other great moments?
-- 

\ Internet: karlth@rhi.hi.is             \ Karl Thoroddsen University Of Iceland
 \ Respect...            , Peter Ustinov  \ Department Of Computer Science
From: trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ted Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Mia Farrow
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:45:49 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <56543@dime.cs.umass.edu> krovetz@cs.umass.edu (Bob Krovetz) writes:
>Who was with the Beatles when they were studying with the Maharishi?
>I know that Donovan was there, and Prudence Farrow.  Any others?


	Mia Farrow, a couple of the Beach Boys, and Linda might have...
not sure...and not sure about Yoko.  I kinda doubt it.  She's flacky
enough.

-- 
         Swallowing your pride rarely leads to indigestion.
         A hard thing about business is minding your own!
-trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu   &    trwagner@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu-
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From: dcook@star.ctron (Dana P. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles disk sets
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: balrog.5935
Reply-To: dcook@star.ctron
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


Hi, I noticed in the newest Beatlefest catalog that they added a second 
beatles boxed set.  Can somebody please just jot me a note and tell me what 
the difference is between the two?


					Thanks,

					Dana P. Cook
					dcook@ctron.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: Beatles E.P collection
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:15:41 GMT

hydroman@acca.nmsu.edu (Hydroman) writes:
: 
: I bought the Beatles Get Back movie book at a second hand book shop
: I have never seen it before. It was produced by Apple and I picked
: it up for A$20 (about $12 US or so). Is this a good deal? Does anyone
: know if this book is rare?

Yes it is.  The first UK pressings of Get Back were in a slip case,
with this book included in the cover (and the price).  US readers will
confirm, or otherwise, but I don't think it was released in the US in
that form, so it seems unlikely that it was released in antipodean
locations!

The book itself is usually badly bound - so before you gloat over your
find (and it is a great period piece), check that there are no pages
missing.

As for value - that's in the eye of the beholder.  If I'd seen it, in
good condition at the cost you paid, I'd have bought it.


Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: What's The New Mary Jane?
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:49:17 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <740049@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand) writes:
>In rec.music.beatles, mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>
>> Is " What's The New Mary Jane?" some recently discovered
>> unreleased   Beatle tune that I am unaware of?  If so, where 
>> can I get it?  Has anybody heard it?  Is it worth buying?
>
>> Mitch  
>
	'What's The New Mary Jane?' was recorded during sessions
for the White album and has been turning up on bootlegs ever since.
I bought a copy of the 3 minute version yesterday and in my opinion
it is very strange indeed. It starts off with some vague noises
on the piano, and then John begins singing totally idiotic lyrics,
i.e.	"She likes to be married to yeti
	For cooking such kooky spaghetti" or something similar.
	The chorus is just the words 'What a shame Mary Jane had a
pain at the party' which turn up every now and then unexpectedly. The
whole thing is punctuated by bizarre background noises (as in
Revolution 9), percussion in odd places with laughing and
silly noises from John and George. In all, its a bit of a mess, but
it's also a bit of a laugh. Rumour has it that 'Mary Jane' is
analogous to 'Marijuana', and considering the general weirdness
of this song, I wouldn't be too surprised if it was. Worth buying
if you like stuff like 'Revolution 9','Hey Bulldog', 'You Know
My Name (Look Up The Number)' and 'Everybody's Got Something To
Hide (Except For Me And My Monkey)' as they're the most similar
Beatles songs to it.
	Incidentally, hasn't some Australian pop group just
released a cover version of this very song?
					Jonathan Morris
Via: uk.ac.leeds.scs; Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:32:38 +0000
Distribution: world
X-News-Gateway: NewsGateway@phaze.UUCP (NewsGateway 1.0 by Pierre Rioux)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:32:55 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: The Rutles (was Re: Various questions...)

In article <randall.722315607@seashore> you write:
>
>>>So where do songs like Goose Step Mama, Baby Let Me Be, Blue Suede Schubert,
>>>Between Us, It's Looking Good, and Get Up and Go come from?  Are these
>
>I don't believe they were in the film.  They were not on the 1978 LP.
>They were issued on the Rhino CD only.

I think some at least were in the film. E.g. wasn't "Goose step mama" being
sung when they showed the Rutles playing the Cavern?

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: m20925@hkkk.fi (Anssi Puisto)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 17:04:41 GMT
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland

... And I guess nobody has mentioned The House of Love. They have a
very good song named 'Beatles and the Stones'.

Anssi Puisto
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Re: Vocal Elimination the easy way (was Re: Beatle Anomalies)
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:04:43 GMT

In my defense, I'm not an audio engineer, or even a very good electronics
experimenter.  I was just describing what techniques work for me.  But, I
suppose I should clarify on the points which Dan Kozak recently wrote.

When I wrote "inaudible to most people," at first I thought people might
misunderstand what I was saying and decide that I meant that phase change
rendered the sound itself inaudible, not that the change could not be heard,
but I decided that this reading was improbable enough that it didn't need
to be changed.  But even so, inaudible apparently isn't the same for all
people.

My phasing experience is clearly quite different than yours.  Try
as I have, I can't seem to distinguish phasing, and while I can't cite other
sources I was under the impression that others could not do so either.  Hence,
your exercise in head-moving is quite lost on me.

I do want to challenge your assertion that LPs have especially poor channel
separation, though; admittedly it is not great, but cassettes, having four
channels recorded on such a small space, often suffer from channel bleeding.
This is the experience I have had, at least.

Eric
From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon leads
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:00:34 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Nov17.215031.23291@eng.ufl.edu> greg@ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.101633.8592@microsoft.com> erich@microsoft.com (Eric Hanchrow) writes:
>>I've left my copy of The Book at home, and can't remember what it has to
>>say about this, but I do remember reading Lennon once bragging that
>>the intro to "I Feel Fine" contained "the first lick of feedback ever
>>recorded", or words to that effect.  However, I have played an electric
>>guitar enough to SWEAR that that sound isn't feedback, but rather
>>the guitarist lightly touching the vibrating string with a fingernail.
>>Any comments from guitar-playing Beatles fans?
>
>The usual kind of guitar feedback (from a hollow-body) is body feedback, which
>is probably what you are used to.  But under the right conditions, you can
>get neck feedback, where the strings buzz against the frets.  I remember we
>tried it with a Gretsch Tennesseean and a Vox amp turned up loud and it worked
>great.

I get the opening sound of "I Feel Fine" by lightly fretting the A string
at the nut, then turning it up.

			David Deisley

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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:10:49 GMT
Subject: ffdfd
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

For sale:

"I amr
nowadays? I joined the club 
oking for 
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From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Bohemian Raccoon
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:15:15 GMT

	Messing around with the chords to "Rocky Raccoon", I suddenly 
	started to hear the opening chorus of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody"
	playing in my head.  Other than those chords, I can only think
	of one other connection...that each song involves a shooting.
	Any Queen experts out there know if this EMI band was also an
	Apple band early on?  Could they be showing a Beatles influence
	here (admittedly the song has a rather different feel from
	"Rocky Raccoon"...)?  Just an idea...

				Nat Pearson
				raindrop@leland.stanford.edu
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:57:10 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
NNTP-Posting-Host: evolution.bchs.uh.edu

In article <1992Nov23.161019.9242@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>>In article <By3Dvt.FHn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NOWHERE MAN) writes:
>
>>> 	I was in a record store this afternoon, and in the clearance
>>> 	bin I found both volumes of the 'Live at the Star Club'
>>> 	cassettes. Late spring or early summer, someone mentioned
>>> 	that these were being pulled from the shelves due to their

>> I assumed it had been released legitimately
>>(this was not a record store that would carry bootlegs).  Am I
>>dreaming, wrong, or has it been released?
>
>I know a place that has *several* copies.  If they're illegal, I
>think it would be news to them! 
>
>My understanding is that those tapes have always been in a 'grey
>area' legally.  It can be 'reasonably' established that the tapes
>*were* recorded in December (after the Lads signed to Parlophone)
>just by looking at the selection of material. (When was that Buddy
>Holly song released?) But surely by now the statute of limitations
>(as well as copyrights, in several Asian countries) has expired, so
>maybe the legal eagles just figured it wasn't worth pursuing the
>matter.

The legality of Ted "Kingsize" Taylor's tapes of the Beatles on that 
long night in Hamburg has always been a bit in question.   However, the
first vinyl releases of the material by companies such as "Ling-a-Song"
(who invested huge amounts of money "cleaning up" the material) were
generally small enough to be ignored.

Besides that, when these tapes first came to vinyl, Apple was in complete 
disarray, as were the relationships among the four men who used to be Beatles.
In other words, even if the four cared, there was no organization for a 
unified lawsuit.

Fast Forward 15 years.   Apple is a money-making company again, with operating
capitol from the Apple Computers lawsuit, and the release of the Beatles CD's.
Then, who should come out with the "scandalous" issue of the Hamburg tapes on
CD but mega-giant multi-national corporation Sony.  With the three remaining
former Beatles amicable business partners (if not friends), and the company
well versed in lawsuits, the obvious choice is to SUE Sony.   Sony, not willing
to fight over two budget-line discs (particularly with the likes of Paul Macca
claiming these tapes are actually "bootlegs"), stopped production.  However,
they did *not* recall the hundreds of thousands of discs already in stores.

Thus, there will not be any more discs coming from Sony.   There are plenty of
them in stores  (and probably even more in the "used" bins at your favorite
music store) -- but they won't be around forever.

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: cs65x3@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Bryan Willson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: LA Beatles Music
Keywords: Sunrise, KCBS
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:24:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41209
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <17NOV199218574841@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvadsavi@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Carl R. Knecht) writes:
>Hi all!  If any of you are in the Los Angeles area, radio station KCBS-FM (93.1)
>plays one full hour of Beatles every Sunday morning at 7 AM.
>
>Just thought you'd like to know....
>
>yub yub, Carl 

Also in the LA area, from 10am-noon on 97.1 KLSX, the classic rock
station, "Breakfast with the Beatles" airs which is two hours of
Beatles music.  The hour before that (9-10am) on the same station is
"The Beatle Years" hosted my Elliott Mintz and is in the same vein
as "The Lost Lennon Tapes."
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:17:59 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <By3Dvt.FHn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NOWHERE MAN) writes:
> 
> 	I was in a record store this afternoon, and in the clearance
> 	bin I found both volumes of the 'Live at the Star Club'
> 	cassettes. Late spring or early summer, someone mentioned
> 	that these were being pulled from the shelves due to their
> 	questionable legality. 

   Really?  I saw a CD over the summer in a record store that I
thought was from the Star Club (or maybe somewhere else; it was
definitely a live recording) that was in the same type of package
as the normal ones; I assumed it had been released legitimately
(this was not a record store that would carry bootlegs).  Am I
dreaming, wrong, or has it been released?

Karl
------
"Find a great ideal, a great purpose, marry it, and raise a family."
					 --Negativland, "U2"
From: gavin@praxis.co.uk (Gavin Finnie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sixties newsgroup (was: Rolling Stones)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:12:53 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Bath, U.K.

stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>... I've learnt of a Stones mailing list ...
>... which thus reduces the 'need' for rec.music.sixties.

Not really, IMHO. Surely there's more to 60's music than the Stones (or even
the Beatles!). I think the very existence of such a group would stimulate
interest, if the response already from r.m.b readers is any indication.

Gavin
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: LA Beatles Music
From: cvadsavi@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Carl R. Knecht)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:57 -0800
Distribution: world
Organization: California Polytechnic University, Pomona
Keywords: Sunrise, KCBS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi all!  If any of you are in the Los Angeles area, radio station KCBS-FM (93.1)
plays one full hour of Beatles every Sunday morning at 7 AM.

Just thought you'd like to know....

yub yub, Carl