HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wombat@amdahl (Joan Eslinger)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: a test, what else
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:11:24 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Fremont, CA

Will the outside world see this?
(No need to reply, I can check it myself.)
From: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: testing
Summary: ignore
Keywords: helldiver, new , hsend
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: eric@steggie.UUCP (My Account)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mountain View, Ca  USA


test
-- eric
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: rca@fico.uucp
Subject: test
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:14:38 GMT

Test.
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: spear@cs.nps.navy.mil (Jon Spear)
Subject: does the sol shine?
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:47:31 GMT
X-Posted-From: taurus-campus.cs.nps.navy.mil
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


let us see
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Newsgroups: ba.test
From: luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos)
Subject: FNTS test
Originator: luisg@lugano
Organization: Fujitsu NTS
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:30:55 GMT


test again for FNTS 
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: jackl@netcom.com (Jack Littleton)
Subject: test, what else?
Summary: just checking if my 'Organization' is organized.
Organization: Perot Institute For Paranoid Studies
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:38:23 GMT

This is sent throughout the ENTIRE bay area?  wow!
From: carlos@infoserv.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Summary: testing new hsend
Keywords: helldiver, new , hsend
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 10:49:54 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Followup-To: ba.test
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA
X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64)

testing new hsend.exe


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Newsgroups: ba.test
From: rca@fico.uucp
Subject: test
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:13:43 GMT

Test of local distribution behavior.
From: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Summary: ignore
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:50:07 GMT
Organization: Mountain View, Ca  USA

test 3
-- eric
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: 6248710@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Johnston)
Subject: test (ignore)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:01:45 PST

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
::                                                                           ::
::    ::
::  *******************************************************************  ::
::  *                           TEST                                  *  ::
::  *******************************************************************  ::
::    ::
::                                                                           ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Newsgroups: ba.test
From: b845zar@utarlg.uta.edu (RAY SPRINGSTON)
Subject: Re: ultra test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:20:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203300.955@ultra.com>, eric@ultra.com (Eric Fronberg) writes...
> 
>TEST.....
> 
> 
>-- eric
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: dmiller@netcom.com (Doug Miller)
Subject: test message
Keywords: test
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:31:12 GMT

hi there, just a test

-- 
Doug Miller, Los Altos, CA
<dmiller@netcom.com>, <dgmno1@aol.com>

Newsgroups: ba.test
From: b845zar@utarlg.uta.edu (RAY SPRINGSTON)
Subject: Re: This is my first posting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:27:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.220039.14068@netcom.com>, gwc@netcom.com (GW Consulting) writes...

> 
>pest
> 
Another one.
From: kwongj@news.water.ca.gov (James Kwongj)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:43:32 GMT
Organization: Calif. Dept. of Water Resources

just a test
test
test
From: shimizu@tintin.UUCP (Dan Shimizu)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: nwreader from line test
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:42:35 GMT
Organization: tintin.UUCP system, San Francisco, CA 94110

Testing from line used by nwreader...

Dan Shimizu...not in the UUCP maps yet, I need to get a stable
uucp connection!

tintin!shimizu@infoserv.com
From: wombat@amdahl.com (Joan Eslinger)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test2 (gnuspost no domain)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:50:52 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Fremont, CA

test from gnuspost, without specifying domain
wombat@key.amdahl.com
From: trung@jupiter.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Test #1
Date: 20 Jan 93 17:32:43 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

From trung@jupiter.SJSU.EDU
-- 
Trung Tran
(408) 924-5106
trung@sjsumcs.SJSU.EDU
Math & Computer Science Dept.
From: 6248710@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Johnston)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: another test
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:39:51 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

Can I be more creative than labeling this a test?

Naaa!!!!
From: gb@cork.swdc.stratus.com (George Bunting)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Testing 1, 2, 3.
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:29:45 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA


This is a test posting.
From: MRFEMS@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test (ignore)
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:02:36 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

test...........................................................................
..............................................................................
..........................................................................test
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: eric@ultra.com (Eric Fronberg)
Subject: ultra test
Reply-To: eric@ultra.com (Eric Fronberg)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:33:00 GMT


TEST.....


-- eric
From: rick@rgb.com (Rick Davis)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: just a test
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:07:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: RGB Spectrum


Which spool did this wind up in?
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                  Alameda, California   
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From: snahas@td2cad.intel.com (steven nahas)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: This is my first posting
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:48:35 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intel.com

testing followup.
From: carlos@infoserv.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test again
Summary: testing hsend 1.05b
Keywords: helldiver, hsend, headers
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:14:54 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA
X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64)

testing HELLDIVER again, need to check headers,,


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From: shimizu@tintin.uu.holonet.net (Dan Shimizu)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test using holonet
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:52:30 PST
Organization: tintin.uu.holonet.net system, San Francisco, CA 94110

Test Using holonet


Test

Newsgroups: ba.test
From: b845zar@utarlg.uta.edu (RAY SPRINGSTON)
Subject: Re: This is my first posting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:32:00 GMT

In article <24JAN199315272899@utarlg.uta.edu>, b845zar@utarlg.uta.edu (RAY SPRINGSTON) writes...
>In article <1993Jan19.220039.14068@netcom.com>, gwc@netcom.com (GW Consulting) writes...
> 
>> 
>>pest
>> 
>Another one.
> 
> 
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: ernie@argosy.UUCP (Ernie Rael)
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Organization: MasPar Computer Corp.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:24:10 GMT

This is a test.

Xref: sparky ba.politics:8276 ca.politics:10636 talk.politics.misc:69330
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: But it is OK to coerce certain groups... (Re: Fear, hate, and the eternal companion, hate
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:45:32 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>|> In Georgia, they have anti-sodomy laws. Which is a way of saying "We, the
>|> State, are going to tell you two (or N) consenting adults what you can or
>|> can not do".
>
>|> In California, they try to have AB-101 laws, Which is a way of saying "We,
>|> the State, are going to tell you two (or N) consenting adults what you can
>|> or can not do".
>
>|> The two states, and those two laws, are the two sides of the same
>|> damn coin.
>
 Not quite...  the sodomy laws come from (well who knows where since 
they are irrational) but we will say from religious pressures, and
obviously people who are afraid of what other people might be doing.

AB-101 attempts to make sure that the civil rights acts are extended 
to everyone.

>|> Which is why it is refreshing to see the Colorado voters start to put
>|> a stop to this nonsense of "victimology".
>

Yes- coercion at it's best.  The Colorado amendment is nonsense.  Especially
when it points out particular sets of people.  As a point, it appears
that heterosexual could get special treatment laws past if they want.
If fact it has the line-

 NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL
ORIENTATION.

I do not see anything here about heterosexuals, do you?

Therefore this is already a special status law, in a reverse sense.
It does not close the loop hole if someone is straight.

And then it goes on to state-

[...]
municipalities or school districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any
statute, regulation, ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or
bisexual orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall
constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class
of persons to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences,
protected status or claim of discrimination.

And so again we see that it might be very possible for heterosexuals
to get all of the above things that are being denied to a set of people
strictly based on their sexual orientation-  

What non-sense.  It is the height of folly and stupidity...

But of course those Coloradans are doing the right thing according to 
you...

So this means by inference that you are aligned with and in support
of the TFVC?  Since they are the people who pushed and pushed to get
this amendment in place.
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:24:12 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1k8147INN905@morrow.stanford.edu> XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>In article <1k6ftsINN1mv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
>stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
    >>Number one, you live and function ( I assume ) within the
    >>social and political structure of the US. That for one, makes
    >>it someone compelling to become and belong to the
    >>social/political contracts that we based the operation of our
    >>society on. You of course, are quite free to make change via
    >>democratic processes.
    >>
    >Say you live in a section of South Central L.A. where the
    >majority of the population belongs to the Crips. They (Crips
    >members - you are free to become one) have democratically
    >decided that all people living in their territory should pay
    >them protection money so they can keep out the Bloods. You
    >belong to neither the Crips or the Bloods. You don't care if
    >they want to kill each other off. You want both of them to
    >leave you alone. If you do not have to submit to the
    >extortion of the Crips just because you happen to live in
    >South Central, why should you have to submit to the extortion
    >of a group that calls itself the LA City Council or the U.S.
    >Federal Government just because you happen to live in LA or
    >anywhere in the U.S.?

A real life example would be the Amish. Starting in the early 1970's, when
the Federal State started collecting "Social Security" taxes from the
self-employed with a vengeance, the Amish would particularily hard hit.

After several well publicised confiscations of Amish farms (for back "Social
Security" taxes), Congress passed some kind of delaying law.

I haven't been able to follow the conclusion, but, in any case, it's not
germaine to the point.

Which is -- WHAT supposed "social contract" do the Amish live under that forces
them to pay Social Security taxes. By all accounts, their retirement programs
are self-sufficient and far superior to any thing that "Social Security"
could evenr provide.

By their very lifestyle, surely no one could accept even this mythical
"Social Contract" as applying to the Amish.




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Xref: sparky ba.politics:8336 ca.politics:10689
From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups... (Re: Fear, hate, and the eternal companion, hate
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:23:06 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Phil Ronzone (phil@netcom.com) wrote:
>> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
>>>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>>>>>In Georgia, they have anti-sodomy laws. ...
>>>>>In California, they try to have AB-101 laws, ...
>>>>>The two states, and those two laws, are the two sides of the
>>>>>same damn coin.
>>>>>...
>>Not quite... the sodomy laws [...limit the pleasure of people...]
>>...
>>AB-101 attempts to make sure that the civil rights acts are
>>extended to everyone.
>
>AB-101 DESTROYS the civil rights of many people ...
>...
>Now, either BOTH cases are valid, or BOTH case are invalid.

No, I don't think so, though I can see how you might reach that
conclusion.  One is an attempt to restrict the person, while the
other is an attempt to restrict the person's use of property.
One can not say that a person and that person's property are
the same thing and claim that as a truism.  It can be a basis of
a philosophy, and if accepted, your point holds; but don't expect
everyone to share your philosophy.

Mark Runyan
Xref: sparky ba.politics:8390 ca.politics:10734
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:08:18 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1k6knkINN390@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.073620.1477@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
> >Groups that were/are a victim of something other than the State:
> >    About zero.
> 
> British citizens during the Industrial Revolution- but oh no, those
> business people were doing them a favor, exploiting their labor,paying
> them nearing nothing, pushing them into ghettos, etc. No problem here.

Pushing?  No.  People moved to the cities to work in factories because,
even with the miserable conditions there, it was better than starving
in the countryside.  A case can be made that the Enclosure Acts
made things much worse for the rural poor -- but again, that's a
GOVERNMENT action.

Someone obviously hasn't bothered to take a history class about the 
period.  (Or any other.)

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
Xref: sparky ba.politics:8373 ca.politics:10719 talk.politics.misc:70334
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: The Social Contract holds...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:14:50 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

All of your given rights.  You can speak of natural rights in a
metaphysical context.  But if those who hold the most in power,
and hopefully it is the people as a group, then the rights so
granted to you are inextricably attached to the process and
reality of a social contract.

And out of this 'contract' or 'agreement' comes the processes
that protect and conserve your rights.  And therefore it is
your full responsibility to make sure, that everyone has their
rights protected.  And with this comes the complex chain of
situations, where we decide if we have the right to discriminate,
exclude, include, segregate, integrate, judge, and just about
anything you can add.
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:41:23 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1993Jan28.171303.2109@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <ega3XB3w165w@surfcty.com> rlm@surfcty.com (Robert McMillin) writes:
>    >stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
>    >>It would be interesting to get responses from people that are
>    >>not clouded by ideas such as socialism, facist, communist
>    >>etc. This is at best, a proces of simply labelling and
>    >>therefore dismissing other's ideas, becuase if it smells of
>    >>any ideas then it must be.
>    >>
>    >So, what are you trying to say?
>
>Basically, he's trying to have you ignore all the present day implementations
>of his "ideas" (socialism, fascism, communism) because, of course, his ideas
>lead to mass murder and horrendous violations of rights.
>
>I.e., he's afraid of a label that fits.
>
>

This is pure hogwash- you do not have the capability of the obvious.
In general we borrow ideas from many different philosophies.  The
US is not built on one viewpoint or philosophy, it is a structure 
made up of borrowed components- just like language.

So I guess if we treat people fairly- e.g. do not discrimate against
them because they are black, jew, mexican, or even white, then this
will lead to nothing more than mass murder and horrendous violations
of rights. 

There has been this discussion going on by certain poster(s) about
labeling and sloganism, and I believe that the poster(s) are actually
guilty of the same.
From: mhi@wet.UUCP (Philip E. Murphy)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Fear, hate, and the eternal companion, hate
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:26:59 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

defenses that skirt the legal system.  His reference to the woman  who was
mugged and now has obtained a disability is an example of our legal system
gone haywire.  We definitely need an extreme overhaul of our system becuase
individuals abuse the legal system.  By individuals I mean mostly lawyers
who shop for work.  It is disgraceful and immoral.  Eventually you could get
a pedophile claiming descrimination for being a non-active pedophile (just
because they have not been caught).  The legal system needs to recognize where
justice is best served and decide when a case is ludicrous and should not be
brought to trial.  Pedophiles need help - not settlements.  But even then 
the areas are grey and the courts have to be quite controlled when they decide
to air a case.  Whenever individual liberties are denied an individual, you 
must look carefully at the law.  Too often the law looks at the current 
political correctness of the issue and lets it go.  Who is to blame - it is the
legal system and all of us for not complaining to the right people. 

I voted in a caucus for the State Assembly on Sunday.  How many people knew
there was a caucus to pick representatives to go the the State Convention and
to help develop platform rules for the state democratic and republican       
parties?  If you did not know you are not alone.  If you want to make change
and are tired of talking about it and complaining, find out how to get in-
volved.

P. Murphy

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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Moral Defintion/Confusion ( Re: Is this wrong, or what?
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:59:56 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1k4lgfINN9sn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.024557.10913@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>>Eh? Why not? Anytime you or I do business with another individual, we most
>>certainly do judge thier personal lives. I would bet that if three
>>individuals came up to you on some business or another, and if those
>>three individuals were dressed as:

>>    a. typical "college student"
>>    b. American white power/NAZI uniform
>>    c. SWAT team/DEA/Narc outfit

>>that you would treat them considerably different.

>Well, I would say in general, that b. and c. would not be a very
>common event.

>Let's change it a little and see if discriminating in these cases
>seems rational.

>	a. typical white housewife
>	b. black man poorly dressed.
>	c. a jew in typical orthodox wear.

>So, now I see these people and believe that there is no rational 
>reason to treat or react to them diffrently in a drastic way.
>There is no reason for me to think or say that I will not do
>business with b. or c., it just doesn't make sense.

Well, I agree that you should do business with them, but your method
of dealing with them will be different.

For example, if you run a high class jewelry store that doesn't sell
anything with a pricetag under $10,000 are you really going to be
interested in talking to anyone - black or white - who is poorly
dressed?  If you run a restaurant are you going to inform the jew that
today's special is barbequed ribs?  If you run a prostate care clinic
are you going to offer the housewife a free examination?

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