From: bbohac@nyx.cs.du.edu (bbohac)
Subject: Re: SEXploitation (Was Re: Love is EVERYTHING!!!)
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In article <3493@ra.nrl.navy.mil> feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag) writes:
>In article <Btn7t9.M9q@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (John W. Fippen - Invoice) writes:
>>
>> Men generally exploit women . . .
>
>In article <3465@ra.nrl.navy.mil> feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag) writes:
>>
>> I'm tired of paying for slaves I've never owned and mistresses I've never had.
>> That statement is insulting.  SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
>
>In article <1992Aug28.233347.20759@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bbohac@nyx.cs.du.edu (bbohac) writes:
>> 
>> I think he meant in general, and I know he meant not to insult anyone,
>> specifically or generally.
>> 
>> btb (call me cipher)
>
>As a man, I am personally aware of how a man may feel disappointed, hurt,
>and yes, exploited by women.  Likewise, I expect that women may feel
>disappointed, hurt, and also exploited by men in ways that are so far
>removed from my personal experiences, that I am cannot even claim to
>understand.  I see a certain symmetry to the situation.
>
>As an example, there was an interesting post a few weeks ago called,
>"Females more likely to receive kindness from strangers."  It's not fair,
>but I really sence it's true.  I also think that there's a corrolary, which
>is that "Females are more likely to be victimized by strangers."  So while
>I'll probably gave to wait a lot longer for someone to stop after my car
>has broken down, I'm less likely to be victimized by whomever does finally
>stop.
>
>The main reason I flew of the handle with respect to John Fippen's post was
>that he was being negatively sexist regarging his own sex.  While I would
>not agree with such a feminist sexist statement made by a woman, I would
>feel compelled to substantially blunt my response, knowing that I had not
>lived the life of a woman and therefore feel less qualified to judge.
>
>So, btb (I don't know if you are a boy or a girl) but you said "in general,"
>so let's clearly ask the question, "Do men generally exploit women more than
>women generally exploit men?"  I think that there are some differences in
>the ways men and women exploit each other, but I am not prepared to say that
>one sex has it over the other.  I'm thinking of late baby boom heterosexual
>American men, such as myself.  I'm not thinking of other groups, but from
>what I know of older men and foreign countries, there might be some
>difference.  How about the men who are reading and writing to this new
>group?  Do you all feel like you're the exploiters of whom John writes?
>
>
>                            Fred
>
>PS  I'm going out of town, so anyone with interesting followups, please
>    mail me coppies.  Thanks, all you exploiters :-)
>
>-- 
>
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I think I understand what you are saying.  However, I reiterate:
I saw no intended offense in his post.  He was simply stating facts,
albeit one sided ones, but it seems to me that you agree with them --
keeping in mind that he meant IN GENERAL.
I agree with what you say (or what I think you are saying):
There are good things and bad things to being either gender.  And both genders
dish it out.  Whether it is better to one or the other may never be known.
I feel (and I think you do too) that it balances out.

The fact is, however, that it a human factor, not a sexual one, that makes
a person more or less an exploiter.  And sexuality, and romance, and love
(and all that junk - call me a romantic cinic [spelling?]), being oh
so powerful in our lives, bringing out the best and worst in us all,
will focus that exploitation more than, say, money, or something less
important.
IMHO

(did i make any sense? what is sense, anyway?)
btb (call me cipher)
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