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From: be503@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jacob Richman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Computer Jobs in Israel - an update
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:45:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: be503@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jacob Richman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Shalom everyone,

Over the last 4 weeks there has been a dramatic increase in computer
wanted ads in Israel. This could be do to the new 1993 budgets that
companies now can use or / and sudden need for additional computer
people. I have posted in the past lists of wanted ads but it takes 
too long to type them in. I continue to cut out the ads every week
and those that contact me can copy them every week.
The biggest surprise is the large increase in jobs in the Jerusalem
area. Over this past weekend over a dozen companies advertised jobs
for Jerusalem.
This included: AFIC Technologies, Intel Electronics (Jerusalem and 
Haifa), Digital Equipment (Jerusalem and Herzlia), News Datacom,
Malam Systems, J.N.F., Maroz Systems, Sirus, Jerusalem Software
Incubator and many other companies that just listed a POB.
I am not going to list what each company was looking for but many
jobs focused on pc's and minis.
The company that I work for is also looking for people.
Kivun Computers who assisted Microsoft in developing Hebrew Windows and
is currently marketing the Multi-lingual Windows word processor called
Dagesh (please do not flame me for the plug :-) ) is currently looking
for: "C" programmer with experience in GUI
     Support person with experience in pc software support
     Our fax number to send resumes is: (02) 733-938

Also for those that have not heard yet:

Intel Jerusalem got approval to build an additional chip plant in
Har Hozfim, Jerusalem.
IBM is going to set up a software development site also in Har Hozfim,
Jerusalem.

Reason #840,830 to make Aliyah: There are computer jobs in Israel.

Jacob

PS Please do not email me "I have experience in so and so type of software
   is there jobs for me". The only people I will respond to are those already
   in Israel who contact me by phone or in person. Sorry but those living
   here get the attention first.



-- 
Jacob Richman
Ma'Aleh Adumim
Israel
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From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:52:32 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu

In article <1993Jan11.035509.26189@wam.umd.edu> mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:
>In article <1iq1q4INNq31@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>>[...] to believe that one ethnic group is more capable
>>of cruelty than another is plain racism and is at the heart of the
>>problem.
>
>What I wroteorte  above is not at all bullshit.  it happened more often
>than not in the days of my grandfather.  He lost many a comrade to
>sadistic German troops who took great pleasures in torturing a 
>Jewish partisan to death.  But, with a name like 'Jurgen', i do not 
>expect YOU to understand.
>
>>To say that "Germans are more capable of cruelty than other people"
>>is as bad as saying "all Jews are coniving, thieving opportunists."
>
>Oh, you are as sharp as a matzah ball!
>
>>Is that so hard to understand?
>
>Dear Jurgen, the Nazis have enough apologists in the US.  Historical
>revisionist is rampant in academia, including that most respected
>seat of learning, Mt. Holyoke.  What revisionists cannot erase, however,
>are the memories of those like my grandfather, who were there and 
>lived through the horrors of the Nazi genocide. Facing up to their
>ugly past is the only way the Germans of today will be able to
>learn to deal with it, and rid themselves of any further Nazi
>inclinations.  

DON'T call me a revisionist... I have never and will never deny what
happened under the Nazis, or apologize for it... it is unforgivable.
Nor will I deny that there is a lot of racism and antisemitism in
Germany even today.  But I will also fight racism wherever I see it,
and I don't have a "guilt complex" that prevents me from defending
my own people against racism, too.  What you are saying and advocating,
that Germans are more cruel than other people as a race, is plain,
simply, RACISM.  I believe that humans are essentially all the same,
none intrinsically more or less good or evil, smart or stupid, simply
because of their race/ethnic group/religion.  I further believe that
it is precisely your kind of attitude that leads to fascism, and
ultimately, acts of genocide.
-- 
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
Northampton, MA, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:54:06 GMT
	<4835@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU


In article <4835@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

   In article <9212300619.AA04223@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)> writes:

   >What is this gibberish.  Hamas is the sworn enemy of Israel, Jews
   >and everyone who is not of the Moslem brotherhood (it seems).
   >They are nothing but a bunch of killers who certainly do Not "want
   >to live in peace in "Palestine"(wherever that may be) or anywhere
   >else.  They are completley against the so-called peace process and
   >are determined to undermine it in any way they can, including
   >murder, kdnapping and terrorism.

   Worn out thread, yeah, I know, but ...

   I'm not going to dispute with you on the principles of the Hamas because
   you condemn the very thing that they stand for, which is resistance to
   the State of Israel and all of its crimes against Palestinians.  Hamas
   does not want to live in peace with Jews until Palestinians have their
   rights and freedom in their land, and yes, they are totally against the
   peace process, because it has, after two years not gone anywhere and has
   nothing to do with peace and equality for Palestinians.  Now what do you
   think of Rabin wanting to return the expelled 415 (by the hundred on a
   monthly basis) for Hamas quelling the Intefada?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought HAMAS has been against
the peace process from the start (ie. since the calling of the Madrid
conference).  I seem to recall death reading about threats against Ms.
Ashrawi back then, and I had thought they had come from HAMAS.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
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5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 681 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:36:36 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

>Anisa
>	"For a person who takes a stop, in the pursuit
>	of truth and righteousness, all that happens
>	is good."


Heh ... I meant, of course, a STEP.

:-)

Anisa
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: REAL Cheese?
Date: 10 Jan 93 10:19:00 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1993Jan7.200123.9801@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.085328.492@shearson.com> esafern@shearson.com writes:
>>As regards Miriam Nadel's recent post (I have misplaced it)
>>
>>Can you elaborate on the other halachic problems with regular cheese?
>>
>>If the issues are involved are small (easy/cheap to correct, there is 
>>no obvious reason for the major cheese manufacturers to avoid certification.
>>

>In regard to the cheese question.  I asked my rabbi (Rabbi Kaganoff of
>Baltimore) and he said that one of the main problems with cheese is
>that a shomer shabbos person must put the rennet or starter into the
>milk.  For a large manufacturer of cheese, this means that full time
>people must be hired to handle this.  THis is separate from the kashrus
>issues that may be involved.  To me, (personally) it sounds similar to
>the idea of bishul akim but I didn't have the time to ask more about
>it.

>He went on that a major cheese maker is currently negotiating with the
>OU and that they are hiring people for this.

Presumably with a modern plant, the rennet or starter is put in by a
machine, not a person.  In this day and age, it should be easy to 
arrange for a shomer shabbos person to initiate the process by 
pressing a key on a computer many miles away.  Would this not be
halachicly sufficient?  Full time people would not be required.  In
fact, it seems to me that I remember there being some such arrangement
in Vancouver a while ago.
-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:23:27 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: US interests and Israel (was WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM
 <EGGERTJ.93Jan8230323@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
 <93009.1556132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <C0nurz.65J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
 <93010.1829092893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <dfs.726710324@kehleyr>

     The point is the importance of Israel to America's strategic interest has
declined since the cold war ended and since the US has been able to cultivate
client Arab states, if anything, as far as US strategic interest is concerned,
Israel is an obstacle to America's relations with the Arabs. At some point, it
is quite possible the US will, if not cut Israel off all together, drastically
reduce aid to Israel, it would be preferable if Israel negotiated peace before
that day than to wait until it's too late.  The US doesn't need Israel to
bomb Iraqi reactors, it can do it itself, the US no longer needs 20 year old
Israeli expertise in desert warfare, it's just fought the Gulf War.

     Israel puts itself in danger when it assumes that it is indispensable to
the US and acts accordingly, one day American patience will expire.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Summary: IYHO...
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 08:25:29 GMT

In article <isaac.726104613@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
>>Not quite.  A court of law determined that the deportations could go
>>forward, but that the government would have to provide grounds for
>>such deportations within a specified time.  A strange way to deport
>>someone, I think, to first do it and then post facto to justify it.
>QED nonetheless. The deportations were legally ratified.
>
>>>   >Now were the Palestinian deportees criminally prosecuted at all?  Nope.
>>>   >They were punished without a trial, and in a manner that violates
>>>   >international law.
>>>   Debateable. 
>
>>If that is the extent of your debate, you won't get very far.
>Area under martial law? Did you factor that into your equation.

Sorry to barge in (O.K., so I'm not really sorry :-) ), but I just want
to ask:  Dr. Balbin, In Your Honest Opinion, do you think it is fair for
Israel to toss out 400+ Palestinians out of their homeland without
individual trials or individual convictions?

I'm not interested in the legal/pseudo-logical gymnastics.  Just your
honest opinion.

Tamer Abdelgawad
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: CANADA: Montreal Synagogues Painted With Swastikas
Keywords: Montreal
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:35:00 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

Does anyone know exactly which synagogues in Montreal were vandalized?
I have family there, and I used to live there, so I am familiar with
quite a few of them.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:19:08 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

> 4. Rabbi Levin has never stated that they are not guilty.  He said that
>    they are not criminals.  There is a difference.
-----
If they are accused of a crime, and they are guilty, then they are
criminals.  You can't be guilty of a crime without being a
criminal.  I see no difference.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:22:11 GMT

In article <1is4ddINNcn4@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.025405.26766@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>
>>
>>Who says that an Orthodox woman has to be stifled? And if her
>>husband (or father, boss, brother, etc.) is doing so, who
>>says that she has to take it?
>>
>
>Ask any agunah.  :(  
>While one might argue that the woman's estranged husband is actively 
>doing the stifling, it would not be possible without a ruling created and
>perpetuated by the Orthodox (male) rabbinical community.

Well, one has to deal with this on a case-by-case basis. I just
returned from 3.5 hours with the San Jose Beit Din, during which
time I willingly performed the positive mitzva of "writing a sefer
kritut (Get)", in order to divorce my wife.

I remember 14 years ago, when I lived in Boro Park (Brooklyn), and
had the rare opportunity to work with an Orthodox man who was in
the (ultimately successful) process of blackmailing his wife and
her family for a *huge* sum of money, in order to give a Get. He
was a pig, but then we must be philosophical about it.

As Chazal teach we are a Tzibur (community) and a tzibur is composed
of Tziddikim, Banoniyim, and Rashayim. We need all of them, if only
to help us distinguish one from the other. 

Perhaps someone would like to add some Torah flavor to this topic,
and explain why, although "writing a sefer kritut (Get)" is a
positive mitzvah, there is no brocha associated with it?

"Od yeshama b'harey Yehuda uv'chutzot Yerushalayim,
Kol sasson v'kol simcha, kol chatan v'kol kalla."



-- 
Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
SysAdmin/SrTechWriter   | but to get in accord with them; they are 
Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
Email: horen@netcom.com |                     -- Sigmund Freud
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:06:17 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan6.161445.26916@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>The point is that this is *just* a newsgroup. Rabbi Levin has *many*
>other things to do, each and every day. It is only hard to understand
>why he "does not want to cooperate" if one lives life voyeuristically,
>like so many s.c.j.-netters.
>
>People -- get a life.

I'm sorry, Jonathan, but I think you're out of order here. While
I agree with you that this is *just* a newsgroup, it is a 
newsgroup to which a dramatic appeal for funds has been made. I
think that those of us who are on the receiving end of the appeal
have a reasonable expectation of answers to questions regarding
the matter. 
-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:06:17 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL


In article <532@owl.ukc.ac.uk>, dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
|> In article <1hni0gINN4jb@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Hillel Applebaum writes:
|> >Pls tell me if I'm wrong.
|> >I think that regardless to been a left/right winger,
|> >all religious Israelis/jews knew that ERETZ YISRAEL
|> >is the homeland of jews and no other nation.
|> Unfortunately what you call Eretz Yisreal has almost exactly the
|> same boundaries  as  historic  Palestine.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There was never anything like "historic Palestine".
The term "Palestine" become the name of ERETZ YISRAEL by the British
government, 0n the beginning of this century. There was never ever
any "palestinian state" or something like that.

"Palestinians" is a trick of Arabian propaganda against Israel.
Look at the Encyclopedia of Islam and you will find no "palestinians".

|> David Turner
|> (A British Jew who does not support Israel)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Real British persons do not add to their name such a declaration, they
are smart enough to know that one who do add such a statement should
not be consedered as areal British ( but as a SHVANZ).

Shalom   Gideon
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Deportations/ What is HAMAS
Date: 11 Jan 1993 06:46:11 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <93010.1856172893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:
>In article <4909@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>,
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) says:
>>
>>In article <93009.1559132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
>>(Andy) writes:
>>>
>>>Regardless of what one tinks of the deportees, Israel's act has overnight
>>>made Hamas the leading group among Palestinians. Israel has succeeded in
>>
>>But the decision was not based on a political action.  It was made
>>prior to the events leading up to the death of Toledano.  It was
>>then justified and the secret let out of the bag.
>
>Even if that's true, the effect has been to put Hamas into the ascendency
>and force the PLO to play catch up, the effect has also been to make Israel

The deportation should only teach the stupid Palestinians not to trust
sitting on the tables with the occupier of Haifa, Yafa, and Nablis.
What is the difference between the deportation of 418 and the 
expulsion and displacement of millions to Lebanon, ..etc in 1948 when
Israel came to its forcefull migrated existence.   At least
this deportation is causing many of us to wake up to the turth:

It is hypocritical of all of us to cry about these 418, and forget
about the millions of deportees in the camps since 1948, not just
1967 and 1992.  I believe Israel, acted in its own interest in this 
deportation, it is us that should realize their expansional intentions,
and spit at our own leadership for sitting on the talk tables to 
begin with.

We are sitting here analyzing their behavior, and trying to make
some netters guilty since the decision was already made, so what.
Millions have been deported, tortued, bombed, burned, beatten, ...etc;
you  think the world is going to place an embargo against Israel now?
Give me a break.


jle


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: egw@utkvx1.utk.edu (Wolpert, Edward Greenwal)
Subject: Who did Cain marry?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:16:00 GMT

This question came up between me and a few friends.  If Adam and Eve were the
first two people on Earth, who could their childern marry?  (Assuming no
incest)  Here is a response I've heard, and a few notes.  Please feel free to
comment of the validity of the notes/responses:

	1)  Adam and Eve were the first people to reconise G-D, thus the first
with an inteligence, the first we would call human.  At first, this seems to
contradict that the universe was made in six days.  The rational for this not
being a contradiction is that thousands of years for a human is like a day
to G-D.  Also, a literal first day would have been impossible with out the 
Earth rotating.  (Since the deffanition of a day is the rotation of the earth.)

	2) This interpatation does not controdict the big bang and the theory
of evolution.  As heard before, (By a religious Jew) "I don't believe in
uncontrolled evolution, but evolution controlled by G-D"

	3) Creation scientise do not like this interpatation.

I'm looking for arguments for and against these points.  Also, it would be
interesting to see the religious back-ground of the people with opinions on
this subject.  It's my opinion (alone) that more Jews that X-ians will agree
with this interpatation.  
	Edward Wolpert
p.s. If you feel you must flame, please flame me personally, and not on the
net.  I'm really looking for ideas on the matter, and do not mean to un-
intentionally insult people.

p.p.s.   and no, I can't spell. :)
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Question
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:31:26 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article AA12268@das.wang.com, MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>In: <9301071648.AA25189@cyclone.sbi.com>
>gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) states:
> Subject: Re: Kosher question
>

>>
>>Pork is not considered meat, so eating ham and cheese is a violation of
>>only one issur, provided, of course, that the cheese and bread are kosher.
>

Well, it probably doesn't fall under the "kid/mother's milk" injunction
directly, but the "maris ayin" issue that caused chicken to fall under
this category presents an interesting problem: would it be worse maris
ayin to be considered to be eating pork or meat with milk? :->


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