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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:47:00 CDT
From:         MIKE <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Moose & Cow are the Public Enemy

Date sent:  5-NOV-1992 11:37:23
>From: MIKE <VANVMIKE%OSHKOSHW.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
>Subject: RE: Public Enemy
>
>>I'd just like to say that there are excepted standard morals.  Public
>>Enemies morals do not coincide with those morals.  You by their music.
>>They become more famous.  They become figure-heads.  Kids idolize them.
>>Our world turns upside down.
>>
>>Corny?  Perhaps.
>>
>>Factual?  I think so.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Oh boy. You left me so much to pick at!
>
>A) "expected moral standards" - ahhh... Please define. If you can come up with
>a definition for this phrase (and supply a complete list of these standards)
>which everyone agrees too, I'll eat my whole CD collection. Might as well
>define "god" too while you're at it.

Well, first of all, perhaps this is a discussion better suited for
BELIEF-L, but since you requested, I'll try....  Basically...Ok, say you
hate all blacks.  You basically have the feeling that the should all die.
You don't go around killing them, do you?  NO!  Why?  Because you can't!  I
can't thoroughly explain why you can't, besides that it's against the law,
which I seperate law from ethics.  But if you are familiar with ethics, I
am a utilitarian.  (Answer your question?  Probably not, but....???)
As for "god" or "God," I also happen to be an athiest, so....there ya go.

>B) Since you seem to know so much about Public Enemy's morals, why don't you
>define them too.

Ok, you got me.  I haven't seen much of Public Enemy outside of seeing them
on Donahue.  So, I don't have a grasp of their total "message," but I did
grasp thier concept of hatred against whites.

By the way....I think I have an answer to solve racism in this country.
Blacks now want to be called "Afro-Americans," right?  Well first of all I
want to be called Euro-American, thank you very much.  Anyway, grasping
that whole point, lets ship everyone back to were they came from and let
the "Native Indians" take care of this country, OK?

>C) Bonus points: Tell us how you became such a close friend of the band so that
>you could get close enough to engage in a deep philosophical conversation which
>left you an expert on their moral views.

I won't even go for the Bonus points if you don't mind.

>Oh by the way. I don't like Public Enemy either. I just don't agree with your
>statements.

That's cool.

Mike
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From: oakland@ee.tamu.edu (Mark Oakland)
Subject: Re:      Studio demo
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:51:11 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92111209014531@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET writes:
>Heh man, good luck and good vibes ! My would-be blues band is still stuck
>in stupid practice space/working schedules/personnel bullshit. I'm getting
>re-pissed off. So I wish you all the best. My next move is to nail down a
>studio where we can do the same thing you're trying. Another bummer - a bar
>owner and prospective gig-payer just told me tonight she's laying off the live
>music because off pressure from BMI and ASCAP who want money annually for
>any live band or recorded tapes that might infringe upon royalties. Just
>when you thought the economy was recessed enough, ya know ??
>
>Oh well, good luck anyway !
>                                              ...walt...

Thanks for the vibes, Walt.  I'll assume that was meant for me since I'd
mentioned going back into the studio Tuesday to be there while our demo
was mixed.  I'm really happy with the results.  It's 3 songs, and they
sound a lot like what we're trying to achieve on stage.  Our originals
haven't developed to the point where we want to record them yet, so we
just did three covers.  We're going to give them to club owners and folks
organizing parties.  I need to run here to pick up the P.A. system for our
gig tonight in beautiful downtown Bryan.

I'm sorry to hear that BMI and ASCAP are putting a damper on live music
where you live.  I agree that the writers deserve their royalties, but 
it shouldn't be a hardship for a small place that wants to host live music.

Mark
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Nice Mouth!

Dearest Rev'rund
>What the hell, the guy deserves a few gratuitous flames.  I mean,
>the talk lately about musical criticism has been altogether too high
>in quality.  And I'm seriously upset that the witty redhead
>(whose name will come to me after I mail this, to my everlasting
>shame) hasn't come to me for some pastorly advice before embarking
>on the dangerous dating game.  Surely you meant "Are you Jewish or
>SubGenius", didn't you?

My name is Marsha (not as in Brady, she spells it wrong...) Do tell, I need
all the help i can get. I've never dated a man of the SubGenius persuasion
before, but I doubt Grandma would be too thrilled if i introduced my date
to her as "Reverend" Anything! I am, however, flattered that even after
dealing with such a humorous crowd as this, you still think me witty.

Now, I've been TRYING to get some music comments in here, but you people
won't let this Bachelorette stop playing the dating game. Rev, if your
interested in lil' 'ol me....drop a private line, so i can stop annoying
the serios musician types here. Besides, Daron's flame war is providing all
the amusement we need!

Marsha "that witty redhead" Ferziger
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From:         "(Jason Todd Carter)" <usr8964a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ROCK AND ROLL

How do I unsubscribe to this list?  I don't have the time to go through all
these messages in my mailbox!  Someone please tell me how to unsubscribe!

jtcarter@heartland.bradley.edu
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Subject: Guitars
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:34:53 GMT
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Does anyone know of a list like ALLMUSIC that deals with guitars?  I
know there's one out for Bass', but I haven't heard of any just
for guitars...

Much Obliged,

Gary C
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From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Little Wing

>>Who originally did "Little Wing"?
>
>It's already said that it's a Hendrix song. I want to add to that:
>PLEASE LISTEN TO THE ORIGINAL!!!! Little Wing is a great song by a very
>great guitarist and most of its covered versions really screw up the beauty
>of it.

If you want a treat try listening to Hendrix's live version of 'Little
Wing' that's on 'The Jimi Hendrix Concerts' CD - the solo at the end
gets me every time. There's also suposed to be an amasing acoutic version
on one of his bootlegs.

Hosko
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:01:44 CST
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      amazing rhythm aces(1 liner)

What ever happened to the Amazing R.A. does anyone have any info on what
their into now.......L.W.
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Date: 9 Nov 92 17:23:35 GMT
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              9 Nov 1992 11:01:00 CDT from <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:01:00 CDT MIKE said:
>I do think you're missing the entire point.  None of us care to tell you
>whether we are heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual ect.  We are not
>ashamed of what we are (who ever _we_ are), it's just simply none of your
>business as to our sexual orientation.
>
>	"If there is a God, I don't think he's a butthead."
>							ME

Case closed .............. sorry i asked, back to music...............L.W.
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
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Bloomdido sez:

>Ya wanna thank me properly, call me "Bloomdido" instead of "Bloomster"

So who is Bloomaeneas?
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Date: 6 Nov 1992 07:11:05 GMT
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In a previous article, SEARS_ER@BENTLEY.BITNET () says:

>Maybe it's me but I could have sworn I signed up for a list discussing all
>types of music, not the Constitution and the definitions of words.

  Another one who didn't read the fine print.

  (fine print): Those with less than 4 brain cells to rub together who
nonetheless decide to participate in conversations on Allmusic will undoubtedly
find themselves at a disadvantage. Watching paint dry might be a better hobby
for you. 

  t.l.g.!  What is the average Allmusic lifespan?

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wrap ourselves in The Constitution

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:16:00 EDT <SEARS_ER@BENTLEY> said:
>Maybe it's me but I could have sworn I signed up for a list discussing all
>types of music, not the Constitution and the definitions of words.
>
Ah, yes, but all things are one, are they not, Grasshopper?

OMC: OM!

-Scott "Chant 'Nam Myoho Renge Kyo'" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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From:         Mashoed Bailie <MBAILIE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: visual stuff

Ricki Goldman-Segall:  please send me a copy of your visual ethnography paper
also, thank you.

Mashoed Bailie
School of Journalism and Communication
University of Oregon
Eugene, Oregon, 97403
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From:         dcunning@METZ.UNE.EDU.AU
Subject:      ideas
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I have a colleague who every year takes a group of teachers, usually
new graduates, to Papua New Guinea (PNG) to experience the culture
and especially experience teaching in the circumstances of extreme
remoteness and poverty.  One of the things that has impressed him
is the extent to which, as a result of this experience, people change
their beliefs about what they can accomplish.  For example, to
reach one of the villages, a three day hike up a mountain is required.
People who initially can not make the walk, or even anticipate being able
to make the walk  - two weeks later are taking on challanges far greater
and expecting to succeed.

John (my colleague) asked my advice on how to document this sort of change
and I rounded up the usual suspects - locus of control, achievement imagery
in self reference statements,  self efficacy.  But I wonder if someone else
has some more interesting suggestions.  I was reminded of some of the
programs I had seen of "challange" where, for example, women recovering
from (or perhaps still suffering) breast cancer spent several weeks in
the widerness learning and practicing survival skills - things they would
not
have predicted they would ever try - like repelling off a cliff.

Is there some sensible and/or interesting way to evaluate this sort of
change?

Reply to me personally or on the net.  I think the answers might be
generally of interest.

djc

Don Cunningham
Department of Learning, Development & Communication
University of New England
Armidale  2351  NSW
AUSTRALIA

dcunning@metz.une.edu.au
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From:         Lyman Lyons <LLYONS@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Gary Shank's remarks

Gary Shank's remarks in "Educational Research:  All Played Out?"
express the concerns of many people in ed research.  Thanks for the piece.
        However, I disagree with one of his statements, namely "Pick up any
philosophy of science journal, and you will see that science as we know it is
coming to an end."  I think that someone has forgotten to tell the scientists
about this, at least the physical scientists.  They have their own internal
criteria of what constitutes science, and have been quite "successful" for
many generations.  Given that the vast majority are completely unfamiliar
with academic philosophy of science, it is very unlikely that what is found
in philosophy journals will have an effect on their practice.
        When one reads philosophers of science, one should keep in mind that
these writers are not scientists.  They are writing from a completely different
perspective, and science is simply grist for the mill, so to speak.  The
philosophers are concerned with the internal structure of their discipline,
and the writings I've seen simply bear no resemblence to science as it is
actually practiced.  I hate to be so blunt about it, but I am not aware of any
tangible contributions that academic philosophy has made to science.
Try showing an article or two to a practicing physical scientist and ask
if the ideas could affect their work in any way.  Depending on the article, I
think the response would fall somewhere on the spectrum of
non-comprehension - polite indifference - hostility.
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Subject:      Subs
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I would like to subscribe to this list.  M ss Millsom S Henry
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forth

Thanks,
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From:         "(Nicholas Sturm)" <aa248@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gary Shank's remarks
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>
>Gary Shank's remarks in "Educational Research:  All Played Out?"
>express the concerns of many people in ed research.  Thanks for the piece.
>        However, I disagree with one of his statements, namely "Pick up any
>philosophy of science journal, and you will see that science as we know it is
>coming to an end."  I think that someone has forgotten to tell the scientists
>about this, at least the physical scientists.  They have their own internal
>criteria of what constitutes science, and have been quite "successful" for
>many generations.  Given that the vast majority are completely unfamiliar
>with academic philosophy of science, it is very unlikely that what is found
>in philosophy journals will have an effect on their practice.
>        When one reads philosophers of science, one should keep in mind that
>these writers are not scientists.  They are writing from a completely different
>perspective, and science is simply grist for the mill, so to speak.  The
>philosophers are concerned with the internal structure of their discipline,
>and the writings I've seen simply bear no resemblence to science as it is
>actually practiced.  I hate to be so blunt about it, but I am not aware of any
>tangible contributions that academic philosophy has made to science.
>Try showing an article or two to a practicing physical scientist and ask
>if the ideas could affect their work in any way.  Depending on the article, I
>think the response would fall somewhere on the spectrum of
>non-comprehension - polite indifference - hostility.
>
>
  Sort of, "Our obituary is somewhat premature."  In a similar vein, I know
of almost none practicing (=doing, remember) in the sciences that ever read
any of the educational research; and most of us teaching in the science
departments that occassionally peruse an education journal find little there
of relevance to our classroom, laboratory or bench-in-the-hall teaching.

  Perhaps we would be a little more appreciative (certainly more aware) if
those doing the research in both philosophy and education would speak our
language--but then I'm not sure either is talking to us (just about what
they think is 'us').

  This is not meant to be debative or combative; just an observation from
the natural science side of the fence.  (And yes, we seem to have a different
perception of both 'doing science and science research' and 'doing
communication and teaching how/about science'.)

--
Nicholas Sturm, 4037 Ward Beecher, 410 Wick Ave., Youngstown, Ohio 44555
  * aa248@yfn.ysu.edu *
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From:         KCOYLE@WOOSTER.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Rater reliability

RE: coder reliability

I recall that percent agreement is not a great way to ascertain reliability in
coding. If your system is hierarchial, you'll want to use (something like) a
Spearman correlation. If not, "Cohen's Kappa" is the appropriate measure,
although I can't (on the fly, here) recount why (something about percent
agreement is muddled); I _do_ remember that I found it in Haye's _Statistics_
that I was subjected to in grad school. I'll be in the presence of that worthy
text on Monday for details, if you'd like them.

Now that I think about it, I also believe that correlation has some weaknesses
as a measure of reliability. The details about this are _really_ obscure for
me, but I know I used some kind of correlation-with-correction in an article a
few years ago. Again, that should be accessible by Monday.

Kelly Coyle, The College of Wooster
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I would like to subscribe to QUALRS-L
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From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Gary shank

Gary--

I have a delete-happy finger, and I deleted your article
by mistake.  Could you post a copy to me privately?  I'm sorry
to take up cyberspace with this request, but I don't have your
address.

Thanks in advance,

Susan Scheiberg
schiberg@morekypr.bitnet
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Subject:      Re: visual stuff

Dear Ricki - Your paper is really interesting and I'd like a
copy of it as soon as you finalize it.  Thanks.
Dr. Debbie Smith-Shank
Visual and Performing Arts
Northern Illinois University
DeKalb, IL 60115
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From:         David Morgan <HJDM@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: I need your advice

OK, folks, I'm looking at a copy of the HyperQual manual and it says that the
way to import text is to cut and paste it via the clipboard, which is what
John said he did NOT want to do. So that leaves him the option of getting Sherri
or someone more local to write him a "button" that will allow him to import
the materials, so that each statement in the Word file becomes a data field
in the HyperQual stack. Once that is done, HyperQual would be an excellent
tool for the analysis that John described.
  Oh yes, what if he or anyone else wants a copy of HyperQual? Contact
Ray Padilla, 3327 N. Dakota, Chandler AZ 85224. Renata Tesch's operation in
California also distributes it, but I don't have her address handy. When I
ordered the program, it cost $150.
  (For myself, I mostly use Ethnograph for such tasks, but I am assuming
that John would prefer to stay on the Mac. Also, there is another HyperCard
based qualitative research package called HyperResearch. Has anyone used it?)
==>David Morgan hjdm@PSUORVM
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Subject:      I need your advice

I have notes from four years of teacher interviews.  For one analysis
of these interviews, I have selected from the interview records all
statements that teachers made about their experience working with
a full-time teachers-aide.  I have about 45 pages of statements such
as:
        "The aide helps those children who are doing seatwork to stay
on task while [the teacher] is working with her group."

I have these 45 pages of 1,000 or so statements as a MicroSoft 5.0
word processing file.  I am getting ready to do initial coding of the
statements.  For example, the statement above might be coded as:
USE:MONSTWRK (Teacher uses the aide to monitor seatwork).

I would then like to be able to use the computer to FIND and PRINT
all USE:MONSTWRK statements (or any other category of statements).

My problem is this:  given that I don't want to retype all 45 pages of
this text, how can I import (as a text file) my data set into an existing
computer program (qualitative or otherwise) so that I can use the
computer to locate and print out categories of statements?  I realize
that I can do an statement-by-statement find/cut/paste, but there
has got to be a less labor intensive and more flexible way to do this.

Any advice about how to solve this problem?  It seems like simple
sorting, aggregating, and printing processes that computers are well
suited to doing.  My problem is how to make use of text data that
exists as a MicroSoft 5.0 word processing file.

Your advice will be greatly appreciated,
                                                John M. Johnston
                                                JohnstonJM@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU
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