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From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:12:37 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <2463@gandalf.intel.com>, linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
|> In Oregon, as well as 
|> some other states, bare-back saddles are illegal.  They can no longer be 
|> sold.  The Natural-Ride saddle was 'invented' for this reason.  It is a 
|> bare-back pad on a saddle tree.  Mine is very sturdy and fits Reba snug, 
|> just like a saddle.  I have not had any problems with it slipping on her.  
|> I can get on and off her numerous times during a ride without any problems.  
|> I absolutely love it!  It weighs about 5 lbs (probably weighs more but 
|> compared to my regular western saddle, it is REALLY light), and I can just 
|> throw it up on Reba and be off riding in a matter of minutes.  I would much 
|> rather ride bareback but since I have such a hard time getting on Reba 
|> bareback, and since bareback-pads are no longer sold in Oregon, this 
|> Natural-Ride is ideal for me.   

Let me clarify one thing in what I said above.  Bareback pads WITH STIRRUPS
are illegal in Oregon.  That is, dealers are no longer allowed to sell them.
People can still ride with bareback pads WITH STIRRUPS if they buy them
from another state or if they purchased them before they became illegal.

|> ***************************************************
|> 	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
|> 	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
|> ***************************************************

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From: drkerns@sony7.sdrc.com (sean kerns)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse hugs
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:30:13 GMT
Organization: SDRC

My Quarter Horse gelding does the same thing, I can never predict when; he just
seems to do it when he wants to. I'd much rather have a horse like that than one
that won't come near me. 

Sometimes, if he's feeling exceptionally friendly, he will decide he needs to
groom me, usually while I am grooming him. Needless to say, you don't want to
be wearing nice clothes when he does that.

Sean
From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:50:00 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <C0CIDI.D7s@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:
[..]
>Then I had a discussion with a friend about toning exercises 
>for the stomach and he expressed concern that such exercises would hinder
>your use of the "one point" just below your navel by not allowing you to
>relax properly in that area.

>Any opinions on this?  Is getting rid of fat and building muscles up in
>and around the stomach area good or bad?

  (a) try lots of ukemi practice along the following lines:  from a standing
position, drop down and do 1/2 a backward roll (roll back until your
shoulder touches the mat).  Then rock forward and return to a standing
position.  Repeat (alternating sides) until tired.  Rest.  Do it again. 
This should help evaporate the gut.

  (b) will trimming your belly-fat hinder your aikido?  I sincerely doubt
it.  My opinion is that anything which makes you feel more fit is likely to
be good.
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From: tmoody@sju.edu (T. Moody)
Subject: Practical Karate
Organization: St. Joseph's University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:12:52 GMT


A few weeks ago, I posted a message about the desirability of doing
complementary training for self-defense purposes, particularly if one's
training does not already stress self-defense applications.  I mentioned
a couple of books, one of which was Christiansen's _Anything Goes_.

It has occurred to me that there is another source that is still
valuable for people whose primary training is in karate or a style that
is fairly close to it.  This source is the _Practical Karate_ series of
books, by M. Nakayama and Donn Draeger.  These books are 30 years old
now; both authors are deceased.  But I spent some time reading through
them last week and I still feel that they contain a lot of valuable
information.  In particular, they give clear instructions as to how
stances and weight-shifting are relevant to self-defense applications.

The look and feel of these books is very dated; the information is not.

-- 
Todd Moody * tmoody@sju.edu  (That's St. Joseph's Univ., Philosophy Dept.)
            "In what furnace was thy brain?"  -- William Blake
From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Tiana Alexander
Date: 4 Jan 1993 08:13:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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I just saw a video called "Catch the Heat" with Tiana Alexander.  Does anybody
know what style she practices or if she has any other movie credits?

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From: mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Aikido styles
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:36:47 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:07:30 GMT, gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) said:

Jeff> giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:

>Is there a FAQ or primer somewhere on the history of Aikido and more 
>specifically the various styles that have been started since O Sensei's
>death?  I'm currently studying Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido, which I find
>interesting because of its heavy emphasis on ki development.  Is this the
>main difference between it and the other styles?  Does each school of
>Aikido recognize the legitimacy of the others or do they all hate each
>other?  This is just out of curiosity that I'm asking, I don't want this
>to degenerate into a flamewar.  I'm certainly not in any position to
>judge any style to being "better" than any other.

Jeff> Taking a running shot at this question:  It seems to me that there are
Jeff> two principal ways in which the various aikido styles vary from each
Jeff> other, two interrelated ways.

Jeff> First is emphasis. 

Jeff> The second big influence was timing.

I'll add another: Teaching philosophy.  There are (at least) two
schools of though in _how_ to teach aikido.  

The first is to demonstrate the technique to be practiced some number
of times, say 4 times) then say "please practice," leaving it up to
each pair to figure out what the are supposed to be doing.  I have
heard this called "the traditional Japanese approach."

The second it to break techniques down into parts, perhaps practicing
only part of the full technique, often starting from static.  Teachers
of this style will sometimes stop practice to give more instuction on
the same technique, then tell you to continue training.  Curiously,
the prime proponent of this style is Saito Sensei whose Aikido is
usually called "very traditional."

I think this stylistic variation is roughly independant of the two
that Jeff mentions.  An instuctor can emphasize ki flow and still
give copious instruction--or not.  It has more to do with pedagogical
theory than Aikido theory, though I do know some instructors who
combine the two.

Obviously, most teachers fall in between the two extremes.

I find it interesting how the teaching style can affect the appearance
of the Aikido.  If you were to watch a Saito style class and then a
class that was more of the first type, you might think there were two
very different arts being taught.  In most cases, however, the
techniques taught are the same, or only minor variations.  Conversely
(and obviously) two teachers can have similar styles yet teach very
different techniques.
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Keywords: aikido, picky
    <1992Dec29.151849.3615@crash>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:10:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.151849.3615@crash> jfrost@crash.cts.com (Julian Frost) writes:
>ngIn article <1992Dec29.004930.13723@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.131622.10306@cs.mun.ca> matthew@cs.mun.ca (Matthew J. Newhook) writes:
>>>
>>>Well, I don't know about you, but the only reason I move when these
>>>techniques are applied to me, is so that my wrist doesn't get ripped
>>>off.  The point of leverage of these attacks is at the wrist, so
>>>therefore if you don't move the wrist gets broken, and there is no more
>>>leverage.
>>
>>	What's this about the writs?  Ugg... kote gaeshi is NOT a wrist
>>	technique, but one for the forearm.  What is practiced widely
>>	these days is a corruption, and is easily escaped.  
>
>Hang on a minute!!!  Kote Gaeshi is not a wrist technique??!!  Sounds
>like you should study some more Japanese!!  "Ko" = Little, "Te" =
>Hand, "Gaeshi" = Twist...  Japanese call the wrist the "Little Hand",
>or "Kote", so "Kote Gaeshi" means "Wrist Twist".  Another name for it
>was Kote Hineri, both Kote's mean wrist!
>Julian

Hang on a minute more!!!  Kotegaeshi isn't the same as kote hineri at all.
Kote hineri is much more of a forearm technique than is kotegaeshi and 
is not performed in the same way.  They feel quite different when
applied.

Also, I'm not sure what is meant by "getting out of kotegaeshi.  It 
isn't a hold or a throw, I think; it should be a break, properly
performed.  It tends to be a throw in the dojo, but that is because
uke throws himself to flip out of the break.  On the other hand, I can 
hold most people with kote hineri, especially the tenkan variant.

Kotegaeshi could also be called "outward wrist twist" - one twists the wrist
in the direction of the thumb by holding your friend's hand with
your thumbs on the back of her hand , all sets of fingers pointing in 
approximately the same direction and then twisting (actually with the
hips) - Steven Seagal does this in "Under Siege" in the scene where
he is beating on the Marine MPs near the beginning of the movie.
A variant of this is called a "metacarpal throw" by Wally Jay in
one his videos.

CHarles Yeomans

Xref: sparky rec.martial-arts:16497 misc.fitness:9268
From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for book on stretching!
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:44:08 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Try "Stretching, by David Anderson.
From: hruby@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:02:58 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1993Jan7.210518.17277@ttinews.tti.com>,
reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
> Oops.  Let's try that again!  I'm not even sure how that happened.
> 
> In article <1ig4ceINN6mn@mirror.digex.com> 
> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.091245.29619@sei.cmu.edu> 
>>psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>>>My life (and anyone else's) is more important than the law as it
>>>pertains to gun restrictions.
>>
>>If you do carry a gun and you end up
>>using it to legally defend yourself, it might save your life; and if
>>you've been really good, you just might get someone like me on your 
>>jury.  It only takes one not guilty out of twelve to acquit.
> 
> Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it took twelve not-guilties.
> Inability to come to a unanimous verdict results in a mistrial, not
> an acquittal.  Is that wrong?  (Talking about US law, of course.)
> 
[snip]

Well, technically it's not a "mistrial" but a "hung jury". However, 
the result is more or less the same --> no acquital, and the 
persecutor, uh ... prosecutor, can try you again if s/he wants, 
meaning more legal expenses for you to pay to your lawyer.  You need 
to get all twelve to win.

> =====================================================================
> Reid Kneeland
> reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
> Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
> The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...
> 
> Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.

But then I _CAN_ count to 1,023 on my fingers, so believe me at your own 
risk...

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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kicking someone's xxx.
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:14:30 GMT
	<1993Jan4.133035.1602@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu's message of 4 Jan 93 18:30:35 GMT


In article <1993Jan4.133035.1602@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:

   In article <BSIMON.92Dec30114651@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
   >I have no question about the morality of attacking someone who
   >verbally insults me, but I'm not so sure about the legality. Isn't
   >there something in the law about "fighting words" that can mitigate
   >or excuse the crime of assualt? Are there any net lawyers out there
   >that know about "fighting words"?
   >--
   There does seem to be an allowance for "fighting words" in the common
   law.  The idea is that certain types of speech might constitute assault, 
   from which one is entitled to defend himself.  It is always something
   of a judgement call, both for the prosectors and a jury.  Thank goodness
   for jury nullification.

I don't believe it is really clearly defined; however, I think that it
has to be able to be construed as a threat that could somehow affect you.
In other words, if I say, "Your mama is a pig from hell," that's not
fighting words.  If I say, "All people wearing blue jackets must be shoved
in front of busses and I mean to get started right away," and you happen
to be wearing a blue jacket, then that might be taken as fighting words.
The idea of "fighting words" is not that someone says something nasty, 
but that they say something that could reasonably lead you to believe 
that they are about to start with you.

   I also mention that a person does not have to strike you to commit assault - 
   indeed, once she does, she has committed "assault and battery". It isn't
   always a question of who threw the first punch. If someone walks up to 
   you and says "I'm going to kill you" and you have good reason to
   believe him, you can shoot first and still have a strong self-defense
   claim.  Recall Bernard Goetz - this is more or less what happened.

Right.  This, I think, is what they mean by "fighting words"...but it 
doesn't have to be this direct, either.

   I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever played one on TV.

Nor me.  My mamma wouldn't have me in the house if I were ;-)
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From: dudding@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Dennis Dudding Avionic)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: poor technique
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:28:24 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio


	In 'no contact tournaments' Shotokan style (ISKF rules) the attacker
must maintain "sundome" (sp?) which is to mean the technique is still expected
to be full speed, power and with "kime" (focus).  However, the actual target is
short of contact by about 2 centimeters.  This can be practiced by hitting the
"makiwara" (sp?) or stepping in to punch a brick or block wall without making 
contact (you'll learn quickly what your distance is).  Sometimes the fighting
contestants make mistakes and injuries happen, maybe timming is off slightly
or both are advancing at the same time, we try to minimize these occurances withmore training.  My sensei (Greer Golden, 6th dan) says only true karate has
speed, power and focus.  I believe this and design my training around that
philosophy....TRAIN LIKE YOU FIGHT AND FIGHT LIKE YOU TRAIN!)

Regards,
Dennis E. Dudding (faculty advisor)
Ohio University Karate Club
Athens, OH 45701

		"Everywhere you go there you are"  :-)
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:58:17 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <1993Jan6.195619.12767@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sxr@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.l.russell) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I normally do not subscribe to this group and know next to nothing
>about martial arts. However my eight year old son is interested in getting
>started - (Post Ninja Turtle response).
>
>With all the different styles and schools, its hard to determine which
>would be best. He is small for his age and probably always will be so
>I want something that would be "useful" as well as fun.
>
>There are two schools very close to my house. One is Goju karate and
>the other is "American (Kenpo) Karate". Any information you could give
>would be appreciated.

No, there isn't a FAQ.  (It's a long story.)  In your case, I wouldn't
worry about it anyway, as Goju and Kenpo won't be terribly different
from the perspective of what an eight year old might learn in the next
couple of years.

What you probably want to look for, rather than worry about minute
variations in styles (on which subject any of us could talk your ear
off till the cows come home), is to try and find a school that more or
less caters to children.  Special classes for children if possible, at
any rate fairly short classes for fairly short attention spans (like
around an hour), occasional game-like activities, lots of emphasis on
character, respect, self-discipline, avoiding trouble, etc.

BTW, a lot of Tae Kwon Do schools seem to be very good at this sort of
thing.

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Escalation
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:58:17 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan6.143124.18828@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>BTW, whomever it was who was advocating that the stab is better than the slash
>(as a knife fighting technique) has obviously never seen "Surviving Edged
>Weapons" (a very interesting police training video concerned with knife
>wielders).  Clearly a good knife fighter is prepared to turn nearly anyone
>into mulch.

Gee, Peter...the last person *I* can recall touting stabbing over cutting
was some fellow by the name of Capell (psc@sei.cmu.edu) who was loudly
proclaiming the superiority of the Chinese straight sword over the 
Japanese katana ;-). 


Steve
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: nelsons
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:25:39 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <93003.030716U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> U16244@uicvm.uic.edu (David James Alexander Hanley) writes:
> how likely is a well-trained opponent to try to apply the full-nelson? 

	A wrestler might.

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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Strength vs. Skill
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:16:05 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <1iapj8INN9p6@mirror.digex.com> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>One of the great disservices we do to people is let them believe, for
>instance [and not to pick on you judo people], that judo allows a "weak"
>person to defeat a strong person.  I've been thrown by many a smaller
>person, but never by a weak person.

From _There are no Secrets--Professor Cheng Man-ch'ing and his Tai Chi Chuan_:

    "For a brief time Professor Cheng took up bowling.  I never
     watched him, but it was fun imagining him in his robes
     flinging the ball down the alley.  Then one day he
     announced that he had given up the sport.

       "Why, Lao Shr?"
       "I'm an old man, past 70.  The ball was just too
        heavy for me"

     The wonder of Tai Chi Chuan is that, theoretically, it
     should not involve any use of strength.  Here was a
     man who could not roll a 12-lb. bowling ball but could
     send a 250-lb. man flying across the room with a touch."
 
At the time, he could toss around Judo black-belts like rag-dolls.  I also
recall reading an anecdote about a Judo master who had the opportunity to 
do randori with Kano.  When asked to describe the experience, he replied,
"it was like wrestling with an empty jacket".  At advanced levels, Aikido
masters can throw people without even touching them.

So, to the contrary, I believe the great disservice being done to students
of Judo is emphasizing strength, weight and conditioning over those unique
aspects of the art which make it the "gentle way".  I just cannot see how 
people are ever to aspire to the "empty jacket" level of Judo when they are
continually concerned about sweating off a few pounds to compete in a lower
weight division at the next tournament.

Given some of the recent posts on the matter, one has to wonder whether 
Judo will be anything more than "Japanese Sambo" in another generation.

And, as for teaching people "self defense" (which is not to be confused with
"streetfighting") in six months, that's easy. Don't teach them anything that
would be legal in a tournament.  Violence is technically very easy; it's the
psychological barrier that is hardest to overcome.


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From: gee@col.hp.com (Ken Gee)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:09:17 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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	According to 'Legendary Abs,' only the first part of a situp is
performed by the abdominal muscles.  Most of the work is done by the psoas
through the remainder of the situp motion.  That is why crunches actually
work the abs more efficiently than situps.
	I practice Aikido for fun and run and lift for conditioning.  I used
to have occasional lower back trouble--minor pulls resulting in muscle spasms.
A physical therapist put me on a lower back program that included hip raises,
various crunchs, and some stretching.  I start every morning with around 200
crunches.  I've been on this program for almost 2 years and have had very few
lower back incidents since.

Ken
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From: ilsa@netcom.com (Ilsa VanHook)
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Organization: Shonen Knife Fan Club
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:33:57 GMT

In article <1icf72INNglq@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:

>Should I as a man just treat the woman as an opponent and go in as hard as
>I would as if I was against another man, or should I put on 'kid-gloves'.?

well, *I've* always appreciated being taken seriously in the dojo...i'd say
assess your opponent's skill, and base your aggressiveness on that.  when
i spar against someone with less experience, i do hold back; i throw fewer
techniques, switch to my off-side, experiment with techniques i'm not so
good at.  
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