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From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Minor bug displaying/entering _Subject:_ line
Keywords: 1.64 waffle bug error problem display Subject
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:33:46 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

In article <2Rw4iB1w164w@presoft.com> steve@presoft.com (Steve Kohlenberger) writes:
>Minor bug in 1.64 to report.  I can't enter more than 80 chars in a
>_Subject:_ line.  Also, when I receive a Usenet message, it truncates
>the _Subject:_ line to the first 80 chars.  I only noticed it because
>a very long subject line was chopped in a strange place.  Thought you
>should be aware.

Not a bug. It's a 'feature.' :-)

Why in the world would anybody want a subject line > 80 chars anyway? 
Wouldn't it be simpler just to put the message IN the mail instead of
on the subject line?


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Bob Kirkpatrick                        But I'm not gonna let it bother me
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA       tonight."                       --ars
From: steve@presoft.com (Steve Kohlenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Faxmodems and Waffle
Keywords: FAX Waffle
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 01:31:57 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Presoft Architects (Novell Developer)

Hello Wafflees and Wafflers and other wannabes:

I though I heard something a while ago about Waffle and FAX/modem
boards.  With todays 1.64 or soon (I hope :-)) to be released 1.65
Waffle, will someone have software to use Waffle as a FAX gateway
too?  14.4 K FAX/Modem boards are beginning to come out of the
woodwork. Some are even beginning to work.

[begin humorus interlude]

     Gosh Batman! This might even change Waffle's new usenet home to:
          comp.dcom.waffle
          comp.dcom.fax.waffle
          alt.bbs.waffle.fax
          comp.bbs.waffle.fax  (my fav)
          comp.sys.waffle
          comp.communication.gotcha.on.this.one
          comp.waffle.does.all
          comp.waffle.one.stop.shopping

     and for those who compartmentalize:
          comp.waffle
          comp.waffle.addons
          comp.waffle.bbs
          comp.waffle.fax
          comp.waffle.uucp
          comp.waffle.usenet

[end humorus interlude]

To me, a FAX gateway not only allows outbound traffic for queuing
with your favorite desktop/word processor but includes OCR, incomming
routing and other often wishlist items.

Am I asking for too much?  Maybe for today, maybe for tomorrow, but
not for this decade.

Steve

   Steve Kohlenberger, PreSoft Architects  Internet: steve@presoft.com
   Novell Professional Developer                        (714) 538-6002
   Specialists in NLM and Disk/Tape Driver development for NetWare 3.X
From: sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 10:25:30 PDT
Organization: Questor: Free Usenet News: Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

=> In article <L9P3iB2w165w@questor.wimsey.bc.> (Steve Pershing) writes:
=>
=> It isn't ANSI, or its lack - it's the lack of friendly guidance. I've
=> done a lot of work with the 'menu' screens, but they aren't enough.

The "friendly" guidance should be in the manual(s).  You cannot be all
things to all people.  No one understands what we have written (or put
into a menu) the same way as someone else.

I have about as many menus and sub-menus as I was able to create, but
there are people who simply won't read them.  There are people who won't
even *think* of using <?>   or   <help>.  When a new user logs in, he
is bombarded with suggestions to use these commands, to read all of
the command descriptions, etc.  One in a hundred does.

The *interested* reader will search around until he/she finds what they
want.  As I said before, "if they can't read and ask questions I don't
want them".
           
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  .....................................................................
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        Data/BBS:   +1 604 681 0670 :       Canada  V6E 4L2
From: system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MAIL FOLDERS under 1.65b7
Keywords: WAFFLE MAIL FOLDER 1.65 BETA
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:35:47 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic +1 408 280 1610

system@hale.cts.com (System Administration) writes:
> Here's one for your smart types.
>  
> How do you get to the mail submenu when you have no mail waiting, other 
> than mailing yourself?
>  
> I didn't fine anything about this in the docs.

Why would you need to? All the other mail commands are useless when
there are no messages to read or reply to. 


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From: cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Root Account)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:24:01 GMT
Organization: COW Pastures

sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing) writes something about ANSI...

        I added a hack to 1.64 that would look to see if a user was in 
ANSI mode and display .ANS file in the system or menus directory, if it 
existed.  When 65 is out, I am going to send a diff back to Tom with the 
ANSI code added.  I think Waffle could be so much better if it had 
color.

Charles Stephens
cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us
From: grettir%pension@uunet.uu.net (Grettir Asmundarson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
Keywords: alias
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 18:11:44 MDT
Organization: The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 224 1242

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

> I don't know how long Tom honours upgrades, but I'll keep my fingers
> crossed - it isn't a _major_ problem, i.e. one I'd pay to fix, given
> the general "waffle avoidance" in this area, which is rich in
> colourful, easy to use, friendly dos-based fidotech bulletin boards.

[quite a bit deleted for no particular reason]

When debating Waffle's interface, I hear the same topics that are often
discussed in the never-ending DOS/Windows debate.  Speed, power,
flexibility, cosmetics, ease of use, user-friendliness.  Which are the
most important?  Well, that all depends on who you talk to.  But, just
as you can't fault DOS for not being Windows (it was never _meant_ to be
Windows!), I really don't think it's fair to fault Waffle for not being
GAP/PCBoard/Opus/RA/QBBS/name-your-fancy-ANSI-interface-BBS.

It reminds me of my 11th grade Engish teacher's rule: When critiquing 
someone else's writing, you can't rewrite.  You can express your opinion 
about what works and what doesn't work.  But, it's considered rude and
presumptuous to say, "Change the ending.  I don't think the dog should
die."

I ran a RemoteAccess BBS for a little over 2 years before switching to 
Waffle.  I lost a lot of users when I switched, but quite honestly I 
wasn't sorry to see most of them go.  And like you, I watch PCBoard 
aficionados log into my BBS and almost sprain their fingers trying to 
get off again as fast as they can.  But the two different BBS packages 
appeal to two very different audiences.  I knew this going into it, and 
I've never been sorry that I made the switch.

One last thought: If the interface is the thing, wouldn't it make more 
sense to spend your time and energy convincing the makers of [insert 
your favorite BBS package here] to add UUCP capabilities to their 
existing product, rather than asking Tom* to rewrite everything he's 
done.

* On re-reading this, I laughed.  I've fallen into the trap!  Have you 
noticed how people often write about "Tom" like he's their closest 
personal friend?  Sorry, Mr. Dell.  I didn't mean to presume... ;-)

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+1 801 224 1242
From: fenner@jazz.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: STEVIE/BBSTEVIE as external editors. [UNIX]
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:51:58 GMT
Organization: Penn State University Mechanical Engineering

In article <1992Apr5.181626.6514@banana.ithaca.ny.us> jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us (John Hood) writes:
|Bill, I think, maintains bbstevie,

Nope, you're thinking of Roy Silvernail.  I think.

|I don't think chroot environments are too hard to set up.  The way I
|do it is to have a single chroot area for all users, and copy the file
|they need to edit in and out of there, as necessary.

Well, that solution ocurred to me, of course, but was immediately thrown
out as unacceptable because users cannot access their home directory (as
you noted).

If your chroot'd directory is on the same filesystem as your user files,
you could play games with hard links, to allow the user directory to
be accessed, but you still couldn't create a new file.

I guess that what I should have said is that a flexible but secure chrooted
environment is difficult to set up.  If you're willing to give up flexibility,
then you can accomplish a lot with chroot.

  Bill
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		wcf@hogbbs.scol.pa.us   (+1 814 238-9633 v.32bis)
From: thierry@curlie.UUCP (Thierry Lach   )
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:10:40 GMT
Organization: Not An Organization

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> Hi everyone.
> 
> I decided to try and make Waffle look a little better and design some 
> ANSI screens for the login sequence (as the BBS wimps like these things).
> 
> I made an attractive screen (took me two hours) and replaced the 'entry' 
> file with it.  Now, when a caller connects they see the attractive screen 
> and are then asked for their login information.  This works fine.
> 
> However, things go "bump" when attempting a site calls via UUCICO to send 
> me some mail/news.  I've simulated this on my other computer to find out 
> what is happening, the modems connect, UUCICO begins looking for the 
> 'NEW:' prompt (this is Waffle UUCICO btw) but instead is inundated with 
> this ANSI screen stuff.
> 
> It doesn't even let 4 ANSI lines go by before it gets uppity and says, 
> "Login failed, never got NEW:".
> 
> Any tunable parameters for this?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Frampton (frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca), Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
> "Sometimes I tune my car radio to static and pretend I'm flying an F-16"

This is not strictly a waffle problem.  I've seen this happen with
several unix sites which have large welcome screens.  It is normally\
correctible with a highly tuned dialog in the calling site's
files.

Thierry Lach				UUCP: sharkey!sycom!curlie!thierry
My opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: steve@presoft.com (Steve Kohlenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Faxmodems and Waffle
Keywords: FAX Waffle
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 09:54:21 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Presoft Architects (Novell Developer)

fenner@jazz.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> In article <4H86iB2w164w@beltrix.guild.org> peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter S
> |Mixing a fax card with a
> |modem is bad news for most of the cards out there... the handoff of the
> |call is the problem how do I kill waffle, get it out of memory load the
> |fax s/w and get the process done in time to not drop the fax call.
> 
> I dunno, it works great for me and my ZyXEL U-1496E.  I modified Waffle so
> when it gets "CONNECT FAX", it exits to run.bat with errorlevel 42, which
> tells run.bat to run "rcvfax".  Works like a charm.

Can I presume this is Waffle/Unix.  As a MS-Gosh user our standard
Waffle comes without that wonderful little capability of source code
modification.

A nice feature would be to allow us to configure batch executions and
such keyed off of the connect string( CONNECT <x>).

With this information we could record dial in speeds, link to FAX
gateways, disconnect on too slow connections, and build terminal
servers and special links to things like SLIP links and PPP.  How
bout it folks? Anyone want to support dial in TCP/IP Internet?  Of
course we would need the capability to return to Waffle when we
decide the call is not for us...then email or BBS as usual.

> |There was very little interest when I asked about a fax gateway for
> |waffle, late last year. Is there more now ?

Absolutely!

>   Bill
> --
> Bill Fenner	fenner@jazz.psu.edu	..psuvax1!hogbbs!wcfpc!wcf
> 		wcf@hogbbs.scol.pa.us   (+1 814 238-9633 v.32bis)

Steve


   Steve Kohlenberger, PreSoft Architects  Internet: steve@presoft.com
   Novell Professional Developer                        (714) 538-6002
   Specialists in NLM and Disk/Tape Driver development for NetWare 3.X
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: yikes@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Hansen)
Subject: Re: Argh!  Give Me Some Space!
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview
Reply-To: uwm.edu!realeasy!tomh
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:21:20 GMT

In article <geTciB2w165w@micromed.net.netcom.com> system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis) writes:
>cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Charles Stephens) writes:
>>  I suggest if you don't want to use Desqview, then use Windows.  The only 
>>  other choice you have is to find a copy of Concurrent DOS from DRI (if 
[ ... ]
>PC-MOS is another one. It's a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system.


How come no one has recommended IBM OS/2 v2.0?  It has now been officially
released, and the reviews I have heard have been very good.  I can
say from personal experience that I had Waffle running in a DOS window
under a Beta version of OS/2 2.0, and it worked perfectly.   Other DOS
windows worked flawlessly while running Waffle in the background.
The only real gripe I had with the setup as I had it configured
was overall system speed, and I understand that the final release code
is MUCH faster than the beta that I had.  Not to mention all the other
advantages of OS/2 2.0, such as side-by-side multitasking of Windows and
OS/2 native programs, in addition to multitasking of DOS applications, either
windowed or full-screen.
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Time Limits Under Version 1.64
Keywords: time,limit,guest,dos
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 12:35:18 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

Hi everyone.

I've got a question...I've set up a guest account (under DOS Waffle 1.64) 
with a privilege, level, and rank of '-1'.

Everything works fine, this account is pretty limited and is useful only 
for anonymous downloads.  Great.

However I'm having a problem with time-limits.  In my 'static' file there 
is a list of privileges and time limits.  I added '-1' at the beginning 
of this list, with a time-limit of 999.  I did this because I want 
'guest' to be available for use at any time of the day (I would prefer 
15-minute time limits with unlimited # of calls, but 1.64 doesn't support 
this (yet?)).

Trouble is, my 'guest' account gets 15 minutes per day.  Period.  Waffle 
is ignoring my '-1' entry and using the '0' entry...for unvalidated 
users!

Does anyone know how to get Waffle to understand that '-1' privilege 
levels get the specified time-limit?

--A great solution would be to use a 15-minute time limit, and then every 
1/2 hour in the schedule file to run a .BAT file to modify the password 
file to set the time back to 0.  This would allow 15-minute time limits 
while keeping 'guest' available all day long.

Thanks in advance.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Frampton (frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca), Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
"Sometimes I tune my car radio to static and pretend I'm flying an F-16"
From: system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ...
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:42:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: micromed.mX3yiB2w165w
Organization: Micro-Medic +1 408 280 1610

will@divinity.UUCP (Will Clark) writes:

>         Is there any way to get Waffle to drop to DOS and use CTTY to 
> redirect IO instead of just shelling to dos??

I'm sure it can be done, but using CTTY can be very dangerous. 

I use and recomend DOORWAY. It does basically the same thing but also 
provides carrier detect, time limits, and redirects direct screen writes
among other things. 


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From: daviddes@twg.com (David Desko)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: GETTYDEF for various high-speed modems [UNIX]
Summary: Looking for GETTYDEFs for USR, FORVAL, MICROCOM, and others
Keywords: unix, getty, gettydef, inittab, modem, serial, port, rs-232
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:26:00 GMT
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Address: 1129 San Antonio Rd, Palo Alto, CA, 94303-4374
Phone: VOX-415-962-7158    FAX-415-969-5547


	I've been looking for awhile, and trying the manufacturers of 
Interactive UNIX, U.S. Robotics Courier Dual, Forval SA14400, ...
No one seems to have GETTYDEF entries for any high speed (v.32bis/
v.42/v.42bis, 9600+ BAUD) modems.

	I want to provide 8-bit dial ins for my world-wide users.  
I am having problems getting all the protocols to work above 2400 BAUD.

	Any suggestions?  (Hints? ...)
From: john@rhutch.UUCP (John Strittmatter)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: "unknown flag -z" error
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:20:31 GMT
Organization: Rabbit Hutch, East Earl PA

I am running the unix version of waffle 1.64, which I managed to compile on
a Tandy 6000.  All seems well except the following:

When I post a message in a usenet group and save it, I get the usual
(queued for outgoing UUCP) (or something like that).  Then a few seconds later
while I'm back at the waffle prompt, the message "unknown flag -z" pops up.  It
seems that my message is getting out, but I'm not sure where that error is
coming from.

Thanks,
 John


...sig under construction...
From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle+X00 vs 486/50
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:46:43 +1000
Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

zatar@dadstoy.uucp (Terry Stockdale) writes:

 > I'm at the last stages of purchasing either a 486/33 or a 486/50.  One of
 > the major uses of the system will be running Waffle under DOS5 (or DRDOS6),
 > along with the X00 FOSSIL.  I do have a NS16550AFN on a board I'll transfer
                                                  ^^^
 > to the new machine.
 >
 > Does anyone know of any problems with Waffle/DOS or X00 with such a fast
 > machine?

So long as it's an AFN, no problems. You may trip up on a 386+ with just the
16550A (no FN) though.


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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: 1.65 is still BETA.
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:14:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: willard.qeyuiB1w165w
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

I don't mind people mentioning features of 1.65.  In fact, since last week,
I'm running the beta7 copy myself.  But, I do wish we could all take a deep
breath and wake up to the fact that this version has not yet been released.
How do we know that Tom Dell will decide to include all the "features" that
appear in the beta in the REAL release?  We don't.  Why wouldn't he?  Because,
some of these features are BUUGGY, and might not be resolved ere the actual
release date....  hmm.  Come to think of it, he might not EVER actually release
anything.  What's the new proposed release date for 1.65, Tom?

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: ahm@gnat.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: VAC for Waffle wanted
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:33:35 GMT
Organization: gnat - Dunellen, NJ

minotaur@labyrnth.via.mind.org (The Minotaur) writes:

> Could someone please post where to find perl for MS-DOS?  I've been searching
> and searching and haven't been able to find it.

Mail the next line to listserv@vm1.nodak.edu:
/PDGET MAIL PD:<MSDOS.PERL>PERL419X.ZIP (UUE

and it will be shipped to you in uuencoded pieces.
Warning: the original file is over 400K bytes!

Andy
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From: zephyr@gatecom.UUCP (Bill Mullen)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Fidonet/waffle on Unix
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:16:28 EDT
Organization: Gateway Communication Inc.

We are looking at upgrading our single line waffle system to run under UNIX. 
The only problem is that we need to recieve Fidonet on the UNIX also. I saw 
a posting about a UNIX fido mailer somewhere, but can't remember where it 
was. The mailer was called Q*, any info would be helpful.
 
 Thanks
 Bill Mullen
From: mathew@mantis.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:43:52 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:
> > I decided to try and make Waffle look a little better and design some 
> > ANSI screens for the login sequence (as the BBS wimps like these things).
> 
> Not a good idea.

I'll go further than that.  It's a very BAD idea to have ANSI sequences for
the login screen.  Why?  Well...

Firstly, it means that users who dial up not expecting ANSI sequences get a
screenful of garbage, with no indication as to what is wrong.  Much better to
put a note in plain ASCII before the plain ASCII login message saying "Make
sure your terminal emulator understands ANSI control sequences before logging
in".

Secondly, some modems can take a while to settle down after handshaking with
yours, and it's entirely possible that they'll miss the first few characters. 
With ASCII, that doesn't matter.  With your fancy ANSI, they'll get a mess.

Thirdly, ASCII with line noise can be read.  ANSI with line noise is garbage
and can do all sorts of nasty things like making the text invisible.


mathew
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