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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: Considering getting an SGI indigo
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:40:23 GMT

In article <BvproJ.Gzq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>In article <1992Oct04.085731.4924@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes:
>
>>This is what the 1993 NeXT product catalog has to say on
>>the subject:
>> [ All NeXT models are FCC Class A ]
>>
>>What does all of this mean?  I'm not exactly sure, but it
>
>Means you can't use it at home.

Not really.  It means that the maker of the equipment can't
characterize it as being for home use, and can't offer it via channels
that are normally used to sell consumer electronic equipment.  I
believe this does not exempt it from some computer stores, and in fact
I've seen a NeXT cube at BusinessLand.  (BusinessLand is definitely
not a place a person would go when looking for a home computer.)

It also means that the box may radiate enough RFI to mess up your
neighbors' TV reception, and if it does, it'll be up to you, the
purchaser of the equipment, to correct the problem if it does.

>Class A is for office and industrial use only.

Class A is intended for office and industrial, but does not mandate
that it can only be used in an office.
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: Windows UI guidelines?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:11:46 GMT

slo@otter.hpl.hp.com (Steve Loughran) writes:

>	Toolbars

Shouldn't that be (tm)? :)

>And get a new picture which is no longer linked to the document. What
>I have to do next is exit paintbrush, then create a new embedded
>image and it it is only this time that I get a picture of the right
>size. Now correct me if I am wrong but one of the benefits of OLE is
>that it is meant to be easier for users. So what has gone wrong?

What has gone wrong is that it is an emergent technology. Having seen
the dummied up "in place editing" demo of OLE 3 (??) at the PDC; 
I think it will go a long way to satisifying your complaints.

OLE is ugly now, but it kinda works. In place editing looks really smooth
(if it can be implemented) and will start to remove the distinctions
between apps, and be a bit more object/data driven - at least from the
UI point of view.

Only my $0.02 worth + state tax.

Glenn

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From: jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows == OS (NOT!)
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:44:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: splat.jbone.717950697
Organization: Dell Computer Co


Re: my comment that Windows is, in essence, a Mac rip-off:


Mike Tierney <MBT3@psuvm.psu.edu> (among many) writes:
>
>     The only thing MacOS truly revolutionized was a whole new way to
>usurp other's ideas (aka Xerox PARC), and call them your own.  Probably
>the only favorable quality about the Macintosh is that the hardware is
>all one standard (thanks to Apple's closely-guarded monopoly), and
>therefore, programs could have been written since 1984 without worrying
>too much about hardware variances.  If Intel PC's had that kind of
>single architecture guiding it since the beginning, you'd find PC
>software surpassing anything the Mac could offer in ease of use (instead
>of the simply better performance, which equivalent DOS machines have always
>had over Macs, Windows or not.)

I'd say it's somewhat more innovative, gutsy, and admirable to recognize
the importance of an obscure and nascent technology, license it, and
bet the family farm on making it available and affordable to the mass
market than it is to stay out of the game for five or more years and
wait and see whether such technology is even necessary.  Apple the former,
MS the latter.  Apple, essentially, did all of MS's prototyping and
market research, market priming, etc. etc. for them simply by bringing
the Mac to market.  Give me a break.  Do you really think Windows would
exist if the Mac didn't?  

Give it up.  I*M clone PCs are crippled by a total lack of a real OS,
a horrible, horrible development environment, and a totally bogus memory
architecture.  Not to mention a toy UI and a total lack of a standard
networking environment.


Flame off. ;)  Standard disclaimers....



jb


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: ent197g@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Tony Chin)
Subject: Re: How to start in 386 enhanced mode ?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:50:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.084311.18791@a.cs.okstate.edu> saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL) writes:
>I have a 386/40 compatible & win 3.1.
>
>1. How can I want always start windows in 386 enhanced mode ?
>
>2. How can I make windows to make most use of the 4 MB ram ?
>   I am currently using the following config.sys
>
>	DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
>        DOS=HIGH,UMB
>        DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.SYS 1024 RAM
>        . . .
>
>Any help towards better installation will be appreciated.
>-- 
First you got start windows by c:win/3 then you are in enhanced
now, go to control panel and double click the 386 enhanced mode
icon. Choose virtual memmory and then following by change settings
enable the 32bit access by clicking the box beside the statement
, at the bottom of the window. That's it, now every time you start
win it will be in enhanced mode !! Happy Windowing !!
From: sbate@atl.ge.com (Stephen Bate)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: Using mouse in Win3.1 DOS window?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:32:10 GMT
	<29SEP199218440782@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>
Reply-To: sbate@atl.ge.com
Distribution: world,local
Organization: GE Advanced Technology Laboratories

In article <29SEP199218440782@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> 
dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:

> Warning:  this is at the level of rumor...
> 
> I have been told that the mouse only works when the dos window is full
> screen.  This matches my personal observations of having my mouse work
> for me when I make the dos window full screen but it does not work when
> I have it be a small window.

Well, this is the situation. My mouse works fine in DOS, it works fine in
Windows 3.1, but it doesn't work in Windows DOS windows (unless they are
full screen). Sounds like my observations agree with yours.

My Windows package is distributed by Znix. There is *no* "mouse.co_"
on the Windows diskettes. I assume Znix supplied the mouse driver on
the mouse setup disk for the Znix mouse. However, I have an Artec
mouse with it's own drivers.  Confused yet?  These are the variations
I've tried so far...

[Note: I performed any necessary "deinstallations" between these attempts]

1. Installed "amouse.com" from the Artec installation disk in autoexec.bat
2. Modified the Windows setup.inf file to include "amouse.drv" and then
   installed the Artec mouse from the Windows setup program.
3. Used the Windows setup program to install the default Microsoft mouse
   drivers from the Windows 3.1 diskettes (the Artec mouse is compatible).
4. Installed "mouse.com" from the Znix mouse installation disk (which my
   dealer so kindly provided me) into autoexec.bat
5. Installed "mouse.sys" from the Znix disk into config.sys

The results: They all worked the same (as described above).  :-(

However, I am able to use the edit (cut and paste) command from a windowed
DOS session and that works fine. Is there something else I should do? (I
already plan to call the 800 number someone posted for Microsoft.)

If someone is actually using the mouse in windows DOS applications from
Windows 3.1, please post information about the type of mouse, the distributor
of your Windows 3.1 diskettes, and whether you use "mouse.com" or "mouse.sys".

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: nbladt@autelca.ascom.ch (Norbert Bladt)
Subject: Win3.1 setup crashes and DESTROYS MONITOR ?
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:01:07 GMT


Hi MS-Windows 3.1 fans !

I did the following on saturday:

I tried ot install MS-Windows 3.1 on my system. The following happens:

	1. It crashed with errors in USER.EXE and GDI.EXE, of course
	   just at about the end of the installation, i.e. just
	   after it had copied 96% (or so) of the files. The last
	   file copied was the courier font.
	   I repeated the install twice with the same result.
	2. The third time I tried to install it, there were some
	   error messages shown like:
				"File TIMER.DRV in use"
	   Then, a message box came up and asked:
		RETRY	SKIP	ABORT (?)
	   I guess this is the Windows way in asking
		Abort, Retry, Ignore ?
	   I tried SKIP.
	   However, at the next possible chance I hit the
		"Exit setup"
	   button which was shown in one window.
	   Setup stops and asked for confirmation. I clicked
	   on 'Yes'. And
		WHOOOOOM
	   the monitor went dark and is now gone forever.
	   If that was a coincedence of the monitor going to no-where
	   land and clicking on the 'Yes' button, my name shall
	   be changed to 'Rumpelstilz'.
	   This coincedence seems impossible to me !
	3. Before the setup crashes, it asked me to install a
		48'800 kByte swap file !!!
	   This more than half the available disk space I have !
	   That is ridiculous. Real OS's will need less than this
	   amount !

My system is the following:
	486/33 EISA board with Intel chipset, 16 MB RAM
	Adaptec 1742A EISA SCSI-controller
	S3 EISA-VGA board
	Genius Mouse
	US -keyboard
	2 serial
	1 parallel
	Fujitsu Harddisk (100 MB partition for MS-DOS 5.0).
	Eizo (Nanao in US) 9080i monitor, capable of displaying ALL
		(BIOS selectable) modes of the S3 VGA board.

My config.sys just includes 'HIMEM.SYS'. Nothing else.
Autoexec.bat just sets the path and the prompt. That's it.

So, did somebody else see this ?
Perhaps Win 3.1 doesn't run on EISA systems or not on systems with
16 MB or not with the Adaptec SCSI controller (in standard mode), etc.

I don't know, but, at least, it shouldn't destroy my monitor.
Perhaps this will save somebody else some trouble.
Moral: Hit 'reset' (or power-off) if you want to interrupt 'setup'.
It will save you a lot of money !

Norbert.
P.S.
How can I delete the 24MB swap file (permanent) the setup program
did create ?
Do I have to format the drive c: again ??
Knowing MS, I can imagine that I have to format the drive C:.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Going from 4MB to 8MB RAM
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:16:17 GMT

In <238@bsc835bsc.edu> ehunt@bsc835bsc.edu (Eric Hunt) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.171813.4370@msdhsv.ingr.com>, ahmad@norooz.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ahmad Alavi) writes:
>> wrong? Do I have to run any kind of setup? Have I wasted my $160?

>Methinks you're grossly underestimating the complexities of the Windows
>memory management routines.

>But as a basic starter suggestion, try disabling the hard disk paging         
>completely. (I don't even know if this can be done, actually, I've never
>tried it myself).

Yes, it can be done.  It improves Windows performance immensely.  I
recommend to everyone with enough real memory so as to not need VM
that they simply turn off Swapper.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: Using mouse in Win3.1 DOS window?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:24:55 GMT

dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:

>In article <SBATE.92Sep28143508@rich.atl.ge.com>, sbate@atl.ge.com writes...
>>According to my Win3.1 manual, the mouse can be used with non-Windows
>>applications running in a DOS window. The manual says to either put
>>mouse.com in your autoexec.bat file or mouse.sys in your config.sys
>>file. I've tried this and it doesn't seem to work. My mouse has it's
>>own driver "amouse.com". Could this be the problem? Any help would be
>>appreciated.

>    I have been told that the mouse only works when the dos window is full
>    screen.  This matches my personal observations of having my mouse work
>    for me when I make the dos window full screen but it does not work when
>    I have it be a small window.

Mice work in windowed DOS sessions *only* if both the mouse driver and the
display driver are written to Windows 3.1 standards.  Any drivers which
haven't been revised since early 1992 are suspect.  

Downlevel drivers will provide mouse services only in full-screen DOS 
windows (exactly like Windows 3.0 did).

The mouse and video drivers supplied with Windows 3.1 are (of course)
3.1 compliant, but any drivers from other sources should be checked
with the vendor.

Joe Morris / MITRE
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: jgeniec@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Joseph Geniec)
Subject: CRRRASH!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:51:55 GMT


	My problem is, without warning, win3.1 disappears from my screen,
the screen goes entirely black, and there is a little underline cursor
(like DOS) in the upper-left corner. The keyboard is useless at this point
of course, and I have to reboot. It does not matter what application I'm
in- it can happen anywhere from when windows starts until when it's been on
for several hours. Out of frustration, I reinstalled windows with the
recommended setup, I downloaded new ET4000 drivers for my cardinal VGA700
card, and it still happens! I think it has something to do with the page
swapping, because the HD chugs everytime it happens. I have a 4meg
IBM-AT DX-40, and the recommended max page size is around 7k. Also, refuse
to believe its the hardware, because win 3.0 worked fine. I have tried loading
my device drivers into both high and low memory...... still didn't work.
If it is the page swapping, what could be wrong? Am I barking up the wrong
tree?

							Joe Geniec
						jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu



Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rod Rempel)
Subject: Re: 32bit disk access?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:37:46 GMT

leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen) writes:

>Dear Setuppers,

>I have the following configuration:
>80386DX/40
>4 MB internal RAM
>120 MB external RAM (fixed disk)

>My question is:
>Do I need/want to check the "32bit disk access"
>box or not?

you don't say what kind of hard drive & controller, but generally "sure".
It will likely only make a significant difference if you like to hop   
between DOS and Windows, DOS and DOS ... you know (old, ugly, outmoded)
DOS stuff, but give it a try. If you start to get horrible error messages
turn it off. ... OK, I don't have it turned on, but I almost NEVER run
a DOS program and then only full screen, exclusive. From what I hear
it is a DOS speed-up.

Rod Rempel - rrempel@sfu.ca
Department of Kinesiology, Simon Fraser University 
... if two million people do a stupid thing it's still a stupid thing.
From: dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Word Perfect wp.pif question
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    I have had my new machine and Win3.1 for about a week now and am still
    going thru my start-up problems.  I am running with Pathworks 4.0 which
    seems to be giving me a whole slew of problems (as an aside I would
    love to know if there is a good Primer or FAQ on Pathworks somewhere.)

    But my question here deals with the wp.pif file.  The first day WP (for
    DOS) ran fine for me in a window.  Then I started monkeying with the
    wp.pif file and have lost track of what is going on.  At this point
    everytime I start up WP I manage to lock up the system.  I am not sure
    whether this is a problem with my .pif file or whether Pathworks is
    doing something nasty to me.

    I found that there was a wp.pif file in my windows directory as well
    as a wp-386.pif file in my WP directory.  It seems that WP ships the
    wp-386.pif file, but the file is dated 1990 so it must be for WIN30.  I
    am guessing that WIN31 either had the wp.pif file or created it from
    the wp-386 file.  Does anyone know?  And more to the point, what should
    the settings in this file be to allow my to run WP?  Do I want to run
    exclusive or background or both?  Do I want to lock application memory? 
    Does it matter what level of video I assign?

    I am a .pif novice and as I assume many others out there would
    appreciate .pif information, I suspect these are suitably general
    questions.

    danny
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: dave@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Dave A. B. Dobson)
Subject: Where has my memory gone?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:26:10 GMT

Hi folks,

Here's my situation: DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, 386sx with 2MB of memory.
I normally run Windows after booting DOS into the HMA and loading two
TSR's (not into UMBs). Running in standard mode, Windows has 710KB
free after loading. Fine, I realize Windows is a memory pig and I
accept that.

But...
If I run EMM386 with the noems option and load the DOS TSR's into UMBs,
DOS, of course, has more memory free, but Windows (after loading) has
only 530KB free. Why is that? Does Windows use the memory in 640K-1024K
if EMM386 isn't using it?

Thanks for the help!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: walls@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Gerald Walls)
Subject: Re: win3 16550 UART support
Organization: Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:04:11 GMT

I'm using the Gateway 2000 Psychopath (Telepath, actually) modem.
I've been informed that it has 16450's emulating 16550's with 1K
buffer each on the input and output.  I'm using Windows 3.1, OzCIS,
WinFax Pro, Cross Talk for Windows, and Qmodem (the last three were
included with the Psychopath.  what is required to get the utmost
performance from this thing with v.32bis/v.42/v.42bis?  someone
mentioned disabling SmartDrv's write caching might be necessary...


gerald walls (walls@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com) or
             (int_walls@am.eccx.umc@esu36.cfsat.honeywell.com)

       Any opinions expressed are my own and not
         those of Honeywell or its management.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: TIGA graphics and MS Win3.1
From: dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix)
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:21:25 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Agricultural Company
Nntp-Posting-User: julien

In article <1992Sep25.082435.1@bigez>, dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.084202.10753@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:
>> I've just upgraded from 3.0 to 3.1 and would love to use the TIGA driver instead
>> of plain old VGA (actually I would prefer DGIS - does this exist?).
>> 
>> I have an HP Vectra 486 with an HP Intelligent Graphics Controller (IGC) card in
>> addition to VGA. The VGA is passed through the IGC so that a single monitor can
>> be used for both cards. The IGC has both TIGA and DGIS drivers available.
>> 
> 
>  This information is a little old but about a year ago I had an NEC Multisync Graphics
> Engine.  I used the DGIS drivers provided by NEC with WIN 3.0.  I moved off the PS/2
> and MGE before WIN 3.1 came out but you might try the NEC Bulletin Board for the DGIS
> drivers for WIN 3.1.  The telephone number used to be: (508) 635-6328.  Hope this is 
> some help.  I will also check the MS Download BBS the next time I am in there.
> 

  More up to date information.  I was just roaming around on CICA and found the file
W31DGIS.EXE in the /pub/pc/win3/drivers/video area.  I did not download and extract it
but this is probably what you need.

 Good luck

-- 
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Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: 16 colors only during windows
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:50:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> How to put windows into 640x480x16?

Use the windows supplied VGA driver.  If all questions could be this easy.

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From: dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: Disabling option
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <718233584.0@davespc.mi.org>, Dave.Beaujean@davespc.mi.org (Dave Beaujean) writes...
>Hi All!
> 
>Does anyone know how to disable the "TILE" or "CASCADE"
>options in the "Window" menu from Program manager?
>It is very annoyig to have to reconfigure my desktop
>when I hit either "tile" or "cascade" instead of
>the "arrange icons" item. Any help would really be
>appreciated as it is very time consum,ing for me to
>do this every once in a while.
> 

    I have a vague recollection of seeing some appropraite shareware at
    wuarchive.wustl.edu in the directory path mirrors3\win3 which you can
    access via anonymous ftp.  I know as a fact that if you use Norton
    Desktop for Windows 2.0 instead of Program Manager you can customize
    your pulldown menus.  For this and many other wonderful features I
    highly recommend the product.

    I am not associated with Symantec Corp (owner of NDW) in any way.  I
    am, however, a proud 1980 and 1981 alum of wustl.

    danny
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