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From: abel@sparc2.prime.com (Barry Abel)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Looking for tools for testing X applications
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:03:14 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 1 Oct 92 20:25:44 GMT
Message-Id: <3999@cvbnetPrime.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Does anyone know of good software that can be used to automate the
testing of an X Windows application?  The program that I'm testing
is a computer-aided design program; the platform I'm most concerned
about is the Sun SPARCstation.  I'd like software that would allow
me to write automated test suites and that would check results 
against standard results. 

Please reply to my e-mail address.  I will post a summary of any 
replies. 

Thanks in advance.

- Barry Abel
From: jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XVTDL Version 4.0 Released
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:27:49 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hope College Dept of CS

Date: 6 Oct 92 12:58:39 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct6.125839.17081@cs.hope.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x

This is to announce the release of XVTDL version 4.0.  XVTDL is an XView
ToDo List manager.  It is now available for anonymous FTP from 
export.lcs.mit.edu under /contrib/xvtdl-4.0.tar.Z.  The README file is
stored at the same site as /contrib/xvtdl-4.0-README.

XVTDL is a multi-featured todo list manager, built with the XView toolkit
from Sun Microsystems.  It requires XView 2.0 or greater, and can run
with the public domain version of the XView toolkit (found on export).
While it was built and tested on a Sun SPARCstation under OpenWindows, I
have heard it running under DEC Windows, HP-UX, and the SGI environment.

Changes and additions from version 3.1 include:

  * MANY bugfixes -- making this version very robust.  Version 4.0 was
    actually beta tested prior to release (see README for beta testers).
  * The OpenLook look and feel has been adhered to more strictly (e.g.,
    in selecting list items).
  * A deadline mechanism has been added that can perform several
    functions when deadlines for items have been passed (including
    changing item priority and sending mail messages).
  * Recurring items can now be specified in a much more flexible manner.
  * Items can now be sorted in both ascending and decending priority
    order.
  * Multi page lists actually print correctly now.
  * Logging of list items is now more informative.

And the list goes on...  See the CHANGES file in the distribution for a
complete list of changes from version 3.1.

In addition, a command line version of XVTDL -- called "tdl" -- is now
available that lists, adds entries, and prints todo lists from the 
command line.  Todo list management can now be done from "dumb" terminals
and from "cron".

XVTDL differs from every todo list program I have used in that (1) it
actively propagates list items, (2) it maintains multiple lists, (3) it
features recurring items, (4) it couples deadline management with list
items, and (5) it allows activity logs to be kept.  No program I have
used does all of these things and most do none of these.

The XVTDL package was written by Mike Jipping (jipping@cs.hope.edu).  
Send praise, comments, bugs, and general chit-chat to me at 
jipping@cs.hope.edu. I'll at least read your note!

      Mike Jipping
      Hope College Department of Computer Science
      jipping@cs.hope.edu  (BITNET: JIPPING@HOPE)

      "Who is that big boy?"
                      -- my 2-year-old daughter upon visiting the 
                         Lincoln Memorial
From: donn@carson.u.washington.edu (Donn Cave)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:53:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Washington

Date: 28 Sep 92 17:19:44 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep28.171944.19618@u.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.x

mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:

|twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|%! mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
|%! > djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
|%! >> (A fancy version would just check the first two characters first, and
|%! >> if not postcript, run it through a text to postscript filter.)
|%! >
|%! >The first two characters??  Whatever your chosen "first two characters"
|%! >are, there are plenty of text files that begin with them, and
|%! >PostScript programs that begin with other characters.
|%! 
|%! Too bad for the hapless user, then.  

| I sure hope you never get within striking distance of a user interface.
| This sort of attitude towards users' interactions with computers is 
| precisely why so many programs are unusable.  A little more intelligence
| in our systems (hard work though it is to put in), and a lot less of this 
| kind of punitive attitude, will go a long way toward making better systems.

Of the two issues here - non-PostScript files with the magic number, and
PostScript files without it - the latter is not a user interface issue, but
a programming convention.  If der Mouse gets within striking distance of a
programmer who causes PostScript files to be produced without the "%!" magic
number, then I hope his bite injects a little sense into that person.

As for whether it's a good convention, perhaps it's debatable, but I don't
see you proposing an alternative.  It's one thing to propose a little more
intelligence in our systems, but what about a little more intelligence in
our postings, rather than more-user-friendly-than-thou flames?

	Donn Cave, University Computing Services, University of Washington
	donn@cac.washington.edu
From: mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:11:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

Date: 29 Sep 92 19:08:44 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.190844.12697@slate.mines.colorado.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:
:
[stuff deleted]
: 
: What it would require to run a VESA standard under UNIX:
: 
: 1)	A virtual 8086 without Gate A20 Defeat to run the driver on behalf
: 	of a 386 virtual 8086 VESA interface driver.
: 
: 2)	A message control mechanism for the virtual 8086 to driver interface.
: 
: 3)	Pretend "interrupt driven" code for the "8086" to actually implement
: 	the BIOS calls for VESA.
:
[stuff deleted]
: 
: Now this would be slow -- so slow, in fact, that standard VGA programming
: would probably be faster,...
: 
: 					Terry Lambert

QUICK, everyone, rewrite your cards register-compatible with
8514 !!!

-Ade.
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From: mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Paned widget resources - xrn config
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:28:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Date: 1 Oct 92 19:46:58 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct1.194658.4059@odin.corp.sgi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <2566@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, duanev@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Duane Voth) writes:
|> Can someone show me how to arbitrarily position the children of a paned
|> widget using Xresources?  Specifically, I would like xrn to place the
|> article view window to the RIGHT of the article index window instead of
|> below, so I can get 50+ lines of each at once.  (xrn code change suggestions
|> are also welcome)

Sorry, you can't do this.  Xrn uses the Motif vertical paned widget.
There is no (official) Motif horizontal paned widget.

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From: nr3m+@pitt.edu (Matthew A Henry)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X Properties
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:43:14 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Date: 24 Sep 92 18:39:58 GMT
Message-Id: <6249@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

I am developing two applications which will exchange data via X
properties.  As might be expected, the first application will put data
on the property and the second application will read and delete data
from the property.  In my situation the reader only wants the latest
information from the writer, even if that means missing data.  Therefore
what I would like to do is have the writer delete any unread data on the
property before putting new data on the property.  My concern is that
the writer could delete data that is being read by the reader.  Is there
anything in X that would prevent this from happening?

Any thoughts, e-mailed or posted would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt Henry
nr3m@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: howard@aic.hrl (Mike Howard)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xdm error messages >> /usr/adm/messages
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:14:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hughes Research Laboratories, Malibu, CA

Date: 30 Sep 92 02:11:58 GMT
Message-Id: <23474@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I tried setting up xdm, but error messages splat across the
login screen and users see this totally garbaged window.
How do you deal with it?  There should be some mechanism
for redirecting those messages to /usr/adm/messages.

Mike Howard
Hughes Research Labs
From: bernard@cpio1.fr.mugnet.org (Bernard Fouche)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Looking for HDS email address
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:18:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CPIO S.A.

Date: 30 Sep 92 22:59:43 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep30.225943.8546@cpio1.fr.mugnet.org>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi !

Who knows the email address of HDS (Human Designed Systems, PA) ? They
build rather good X terminals and we are happy with them. But our local
reseller is fuzzy when it comes to technical questions. So I would be
happy to reach HDS tech staff...

Thank you !
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From: GOULD@decus.COM.AU (Telstar Systems)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: SLOC estimates
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:47:16 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:46 AEST
Message-Id: <EB64A69F36BF400198@decus.com.au>
X-Vms-To: IN%"xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu"
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Does anybody have any figures for the number of source lines of code contained
in Xlib, Xt, Motif, and a typical X server.

Thanks
Ross Black
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From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5 memory leak ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:46:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

Date: 5 Oct 92 09:51:33 GMT
Message-Id: <Bvn7Dy.HGB@fulcrum.bt.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

X1R5 Memory Leak ?
------------------

We have an application running under twm on X11R5 (patched up to level 14, I
believe). When the user logs out of the application, twm is also killed, and
X is left running so the user can log in again (using xdm).
The initial size of the X process is 3 Mbytes. After having logged in and out
about 40 times, the memory taken by X is 6 Mbytes. This is approximately 
75 Kbytes not being freed every time.

Has anybody got any ideas as to how such a huge chunk of memory is being lost 
every time? Fonts, maybe??

Thanks in advance,

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From: sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Xpixmap files
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:33:26 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:02:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep30.070213.13105@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Aaaarrrrrggggghhhh! disk head crash on the users partition
with no backups of the pixmaps I used for icons. Does anyone
know of an ftp site for pixmaps, I **REALLY** don't fancy
redrawing them all over again...

Simon.
From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: xwd-> bitmap converstion : how to do it?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:23:11 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany

Date: 30 Sep 92 16:22:43 GMT
Message-Id: <1ack8jINN1l4@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep29.193347.13406@evb.com>, mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
writes:
|> Is there a way to convert a xwd file to bitmap?

If you mean an "X11 bitmap" file by "bitmap" and you have PBMPLUS do the
following:

	xwdtopnm image_file.xwd | ppmtopgm | pgmtopbm >image_file.xbm

If your original data is grayscale only you may leave out the ppmtopgm
step, if it is monochrome originally you may also leave out pgmtopbm. And
if you don't have installed PBMPLUS yet, you should do so immediately!

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From: EB@CNUCE.CNR.IT
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: How do you create a greeting message on the root window?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:07:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:22:00 +0100 (MET)
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Hello,

Recently I was staring at my SS while OpenWindows was 
starting up and a question came to my mind:

	How is the initial greeting message created?

I dug out an old version of uwm and tried to hack something
by creating a simple window with a greeting string 
inside (the basicwin example of O'Reilly Vol. 1).
I use the MapNotify event and it almost works: the window
is shown but with no text inside

I'm no Xlib expert, but can someone give me a hint.

Thanks
From: pychang@slate.mines.colorado.edu (CHANG PHILLIP YOUNGSU )
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Question on Xwindows
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:34:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

Date: 2 Oct 92 09:03:23 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct2.090323.27653@slate.mines.colorado.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hello World !!!

I am a long time MS-DOS user, and recently I have been introduced to the
Unix and Xwindow

Can someone send me some informations on books
about Unix beginner's guide. 
also I am very interested in running Xwindow on my Home computer.
I have 486-50MHZ with 8mag of Memory and 240 HardDrive. W/ SuperVGA
monitor.

My E-MAIL address is pychang@mines.colorado.edu

thank you

Philip Chang..
pychang@mines.colorado.edu
From: csd05@seq1.lcs.mit.edu (Yufan Hu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Regarding How to stop Dirty Pictures.
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:13:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Keele, England

Date: 26 Sep 92 18:04:17 GMT
Message-Id: <Bv7676.AH0@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Todd Brewer (brewer@deimos) wrote:
: In article <Bv5Esq.L6D@acsu.buffalo.edu> rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu (Randall J. King) writes:
: >liles@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Clifton Liles 282-4736) writes:
: >
: >>In article <1992Sep25.004856.1583@lub001.lamar.edu>, ravi@lub001.lamar.edu writes:
: >>|> How can you stop other people from putting dirty/unwanted pictures on
: >>|> to your workstation. They can apparently do so, by setting their 
: >>|> DISPLAY variable to the desired Workstation's IP address.
: >>I'm sitll not a happy camper.  If one does the "xhost | xhost -" bit, it turns
: >>off ALL access to the display, including yours!  If you leave your own Host name
: >
: At our site we use Sun workstations with Opengook 2.0. If we do nothing with 
: things like xhost, only the user who started up Openwindows is allowed to
: connect to the server/display. I regularly use xhost to add my own machine to 
: the list so that I can get to it from processes using rlogin/su. I tried to 
: rlogin to another machine and set the environment variable DISPLAY to the
: internet address of that machine and got bounced. Seems like you either have a
: loophole or an implicit use of xhost which you might want to rid yourself of.
: 

Not so bad. You can transfer access authority to any individual user on
any machine by using xauth. Here is the command I put in the .xinitrc:

xauth extract - $HOST\:0.0 | rsh seq1 -l csd05 /usr/bin/X11/xauth merge -

This will merge the access authority created on the server to the .Xauthority
file on seq1. Make sure that the .Xauthority is only accessible
to the account on that machine. This way the access to the server is restricted
to the user who can access the .Xauthority.

I believe X11 server also have this feature. Look at the manuals for X server
and xauth.

-Yufan
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From: samborn@lynchpin.mtkgc.COM (Kevin Samborn)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: RE: XDM and Console Windows
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:58:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 09:22:09 EDT
Message-Id: <9210011322.AA12758@lynchpin.mtkgc.com>

> The console problem was solved with OpenWindows 3.0 by setting the good
> protection bits on /dev/console during xdm initialization :
> 
> In the file /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xstartup :
> 

Actually, shouldn't you be restoring the permissions back to their
original state from within /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xreset?

kevin samborn
samborn@mtkgc.com
sakura global capital
From: ls@inf.rl.ac.uk (Lakshmi Sastry)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: PHIGS - PEX Help
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:13:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

Date: 6 Oct 92 09:33:23 GMT
Message-Id: <12804@privet.rl.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Thanks to all of you who answered my query regarding PEX not supporting monochrome display. Is there anyone
who uses other implementations of PHIGS that extends support to monochrome? Alternatively, is there a patch
I can get?

Many thanks in advance.
Lakshmi.
From: izeek@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ilan Aisic)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Internationalization and Kanjai support in Xlib
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:04:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:33:32 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct1.063332.8527@discus.technion.ac.il>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

We have to "internationalize" a large GUI that is based on Xlib.
I would appreciate any comments, hints about doing that.
Our application runs on the Sun with X11R4.
In particular, we need to add support to 16 bit character sets (Kanji font).
Of course, supporting European languages is a must and supporting Arabic and
Hebrew (which have a small character set but are typed from right to left)
may also be needed.
In addition to the code changes that we will have to make (like calling 
"XDrawString16" instead of "XDrawString" for Kanjai), I wonder what 
software tools are out there to help when dealing with two-byte fonts
(Is there an "xfd16" which will be the equivalent of "xfd") ? 
Is there anything in X11 to support locale?
Thanks in advance,
Ilan.

                  Ilan Aisic
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From: jck@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Average width for text.
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:40:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:57:09 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct1.035709.8849@mel.dit.csiro.au>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Unless I have missed it, I don't think you can get the average width of a char
from any font or char structure like you can in windows (I am told). I know you can use XTextWidth etc. but I need to know the average width of a char for a particular font.

Has anyone any suggestions or maybe it could be placed in the XFontStruct one
day in future releases. 

PS: XLib on X11 R4 - don't know about R5.


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From: gizmonic!csthomas@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Looking for a good UNIX for 486...
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:52:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Date: 28 Sep 92 14:17:16 GMT
Message-Id: <HVeTRB2w165w@gizmonic.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

My firm has recently decided that they want to port the X/Motif
application that I have been developing on a Sparc 1+, to some sort
of Intel machine (probably a 486). So I gotta decide on the right
unix to buy.

I'm looking for suggestions/comments now re: which systems are out
there, centering on the following points:

    . SvR4 preferred
    . must come bundled with X, and hopefully Motif (v1.1+)
    . comes with minimal network stuff (NFS/TCPip)
    . appropriate developer's tools
    . evidence of the GNU stuff working

Also, if anyone has had a similar task, i.e. porting an app from Sun
to a PC UNIX, I'd like to hear about it.

Probably be most appropriate to send responses via email (listed on sig).
Thanks!

shane



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