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From: bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: HIMMEL MOTOR INFO
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:02:35 GMT
Reply-To: bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com
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xerxes@netcom.com (MICHAEL A. BRENNAN) writes:
: 
:   Hi,
:     we're looking for any information concerning the testing and repairing of 
:     the little circuit board inside the case of the Himmel Three Phase Asyn-
:     chronous Converter(motor generator).
: 
:  P.S. This is my first post on the net. Any comments are appreciated!

Well posted, concise, interesting and to the point!  Bravo, you have
sucessfully posted to sci.electronics!

mike

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From: nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:10:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.234114.2393@u.washington.edu> mimir@stein.u.washing
on.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <Bw2J4q.7ov@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E
 Carlson 1625773) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.034358.3925@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nninja@nyx.cs.du
edu (Net Ninja) writes:
>>>
>>>Hey - here's something for industrial/"cyberpunk" culture for you.
>>>Has anybody else heard of this?
>>>
>>>-Mondo 2000- is a glossy, futuristic publication out of Berkeley
>>>specializing
>>
>>Oh great another Mondo thread.  There is more to cyberpunk than a gloss

>>5.95 rag!
>
> Someone tell the idiot to read the FAQ.
>
>Wassail,
>Al
>
>                           mimir@u.washington.edu
>    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
>   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
>  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
> /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
>    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
>   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|__
___
>                 +----------------------------------------+
>
>



As far as I know, there _is_ no alt.industrial FAQ.

Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk
From: pbancrof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Phil Bancroft)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:45:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.234114.2393@u.washington.edu> mimir@stein.u.washing
on.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <Bw2J4q.7ov@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E
 Carlson 1625773) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.034358.3925@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nninja@nyx.cs.du
edu (Net Ninja) writes:
>>>
>>>Hey - here's something for industrial/"cyberpunk" culture for you.
>>>Has anybody else heard of this?
>>>
>>>-Mondo 2000- is a glossy, futuristic publication out of Berkeley
>>>specializing
>>
>>Oh great another Mondo thread.  There is more to cyberpunk than a gloss

>>5.95 rag!
>
> Someone tell the idiot to read the FAQ.
>
>Wassail,
>Al
>
>                           mimir@u.washington.edu
>    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
>   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
>  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
> /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
>    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
>   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|__
___
>                 +----------------------------------------+
>
>


ondo 2000 - give me a break! Five-year olds read this - the onlything
the writers of Mondo ever did was discover a bloody cure for masturbation!!

Besides, it's all teeny-pop.  Everybody's all stoned on acid so they're
all happy happy joy joy let's see how funny we can be.  M2000 has never
addressed any _real_ industrial problem and probably never will.  VR,
"cyberpunk", gimme a break - what's really industrial about that. I have
never taken drugs and never will because I must always be fit for the
impending crunch.  I have also never been to a rave and if anybody drags me
to one I swear I'll kill myself.  Cyberpunk "fantasy" and "raves" and shit
may be good for 14-year olds on exctacy but the truth is, sober people who
know how to survive don't get seduced _that_ easily.

My freind's brother works on an assembly line.  Last week he had his
right tip of his pinky severed, and they didn't stop the machines.

COCKSUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BLOODY FUCKING COCKSUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fat chance _that_'ll wind up in Mondo.

Come on - industrial "culture" as we know it cannot be entertaining.
It's fucking depressing.

CHEERS-
P H I l  B A N C R O F T
MORRISEY IS MORE INDUSTRIAL THAN MONDO

Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:42:53 GMT

In article <Bw2J4q.7ov@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel
E. Carlson 1625773) writes: 
|In article <1992Oct13.034358.3925@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
|nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja) writes: 
|>
|>Hey - here's something for industrial/"cyberpunk" culture for you.
|>Has anybody else heard of this?
|>
|>-Mondo 2000- is a glossy, futuristic publication out of Berkeley
|>specializing

<sniff><sniff> Do you smell smoke?

|Oh great another Mondo thread.  There is more to cyberpunk than a glossy
|5.95 rag!

<hand to ear>...Is that a fire alarm I hear off in the distance?

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From: nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja)
Subject: Re: MST3K?
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Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:57:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.044528.12425@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dskimish@nyx.cs.d
.edu (David Skimishara) writes:
>
>okay, before anyone flames me on this, yes I _do_ know that mystery
>science theater has its own newsgroup.  With that out of my way I will
>continue with my story.  I have been gone to a surveyors' convention in
>Arizona and while there some people introduced me to the cable tv show
>mystery science theater.  At first I thought it would be another late
>night Elvira clone, but nuuuuuuu!  These guys were great and after a whi
e
>their whimsical and slightly anarchistic style had left its mark on me. 
>My question to you, dear net readers (who know of this show), is do you
>consider mst3k industrial?  Think of it, Joel interacts with 2 evil huma
s
>and the only companions who truely share his life with him are mechanica
.
>Just some food for thought.
>Dave



what is mst3k?
what channel is it on?
and do you enjoy land survey?

Net Ninja
From: tcschmit@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Tom Schmitendorf)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: Tastes in music
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:05:10 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

First post.  I am a subscriber to Industrial Nation zine, as well as
Technology Works.  Anybody else heard of these or others?  I like the hate and
the anger involved in a lot of the music.  Admittedly, sometimes I don't even
listen to the lyrics.

To name just a few, I like:  Bigod 20, Controlled Bleeding, FLA, Skinny Puppy,
Minister of Noise, NIN, Numb, TKK, Sloppy Wrenchbody, and Vampire Rodents.

I am very interested in others.  Perhaps someone would be interested in
trading mix tapes through the mail - samplers, really.

I recently picked up Consumed by The Final Cut, which is really awesome.  I
also picked up something by Skrew from Metal Blade records, thinking it was
going to be like earlier ministry, but it was mainly just speed-metalish.

Speak to me.
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: Re: satyricon
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:22:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

To everybody reading this newsgroup:

This is not an industrial music newsgroup. It is not an industrial
culture newsgroup. This newsgroup is meant for the discussion (I
believe) of industrial machinery.

There is a newsgroup devoted to industrial music. It is called
rec.music.industrial.

There is a group devoted to industrial culture. It is called
alt.cyberpunk (unless you are a true industrial person, in which
case it is alt.angst...).

Both of these newsgroups are very widely distributed. Post to them
instead of here, where topics concerning industrial music/culture
have no place.

Thanks.

Joshua H.
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From: nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja)
Subject: Other cyber/industrial zines
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:48:03 GMT


Could you please give info about the following?

1. I heard somebody mention Industrial Nation and Technology Works.  How
   are these?  Is their main focus the music?  Do they ever talk about
   anything else besides music?

2. I keep hearing about this "cyberpunk" zine Boing-Boing... Is this worth
   checking out?  What is it's focus(es) and how does it differ from Mondo?

Net discussion would be welcome!
Thanks,

Net NINja
From: repo_man@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: satyricon
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:05:16 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I just bought Meat Beat Manifesto's "Satryricon", and basically, it 
sucks. Besides the refreshing fact that MBM for the first time did NOT 
recycle old songs, it had none of the flavor of 99%, or any of their 
other brilliant older material (Armed Audio Warfare, for example). Save 
your money and spend it on something more worthwhile.

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ repo_man@cyberden.uucp ]
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From: dnakamur@nyx.cs.du.edu (Damo Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Industrial music, hey!
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:21:54 GMT

In article <Bvy0BL.DrM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> william@sage.cc.purdue.edu (
on) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.052002.19085@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pbancrof@nyx.cs.
u.edu (Phil Bancroft) writes:
>>Hey - any of you into other stuff besided gristle?
>>No, and I don't mean poseur shite like new Ministry or NIN...
>>
>
>
>
>"poseur shite"?!?!?!?
>
>----->>>>>> yeah...... right!!!
>            got a life??
>            get real!
>            get another!!!                                   (stolen .si
) ;)
>************************************************************************
*******
>My opinions are mine, alllllllllll MINE!  Ya hear? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
H!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>william@sage.cc.purdue.edu<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
<<<<<<
>************************************************************************
*******


 Gotta agree with  "jon"  here, Phil. Maybe new Ministry is really metal
now but check out the lyrics, man.  "N.W.O " - that stuff is _happening_
right now, as we speak.  I take Ministry as seriously as _any_ industrial
band,  if only for their lyrics and use of samples.  Granted, their new
stuff isn't as musically powerful (IMHO) as stuff like LORAH but hey,
what's wrong with experimentation!!!!!
Or whenevr a band changes their style they're "poseur shite?"?

As I said, another example: check _out_ the new NIN.  So Trent wants to
change his style - and (IMNSHO) he produces one of the best releases of
1992.

I respect most of your opinions so far, but I think slagging on Ministry
and NIN just to promote lesser-known groups is a tactic that never works.

Open up _your_ mind man!
DAMO LA CLAUN

1
 
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From: pbancrof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Phil Bancroft)
Subject: Re: NIN + Ministry poseurs: Not! (was: Re: Industrial Music, hey
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:51:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.043553.24725@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dskimish@nyx.cs.d
.edu (David Skimishara) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.014224.19655@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnakamur@nyx.cs.

>.edu (Damo Nakamura) writes:
>>
>>Let me ask you this Phil:
>>If Ministry and NIN are not "true industrial" how could Skinny Puppy
>>could be considered any different?
>>
>>Granted, we probably both think SP is of better quality
>>but come on: by your standards "Rabies" and "Too Dark Park"
>>are sort of "clicheed" and "Last Rights" could easily serve as the
q>new soundtrack to "Blade Runner".  Plus they're sort of popular.
>
>oh, god forbid anyone should listen to anything that is popular, or not
>listen to something just because it is popular.
>
Skinny Puppy "popular" Look out your office window.  Count #losers in 
Ministry "Keianh" T-shirsts.  Count _anybody_ in SP shirts.
I rest my case.

If "Last rights would be a good movie soundtrack, then how come it hasn't
been made into one.

For reference, Coil tried a movie soundtrack once (for Hellraiser I) 
It made Clive Barker's bowels churn, although it was the lightest Coil
stuff they'd done so far.

I rest my case.
>
>
>
>
>
>>P.S. Phil's insistent, oh-so -alternative behavior is exactly the same 

>
>>those "poseur-types" he slags on so much :>
>>
>>DAMO LA DANCING FLATWURM
>>:>
>>W
>y

At least I have talent . :>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>-whateverfuckinshite

>yo damo, bite me ok pal.  phil just tried to express his opinion that th
s
>group should be for the discussion of "less popular" groups. so if you
>want to discuss NIN, then go to rec.music.industrial where they discuss
>that stuff.
>Dave -in search of a cool .sig
>
>
>
I
Nobody's stopping anybody Dave from posting about NIN to alt.industrial.
I'm just expressing my frank and honest dissapproovvaall.

THE BANK_MEISTER

P H I L  B A N C R O F T

JOHN CAGE IS STILL DEAD
AND I'M STILL ALIVE

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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From: nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja)
Subject: Re: satyricon
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:40:10 GMT


I kind of liked Satyricon, although much less than 99%. Edge of no control
is _still one of my favorite singles.  The rest of the album is kind of
unfocused: a lot of sample stuff thrown in kind of randomly.  There's also
something reminiscent of Depeche Mode in there - no seriouly!!!

Net Ninja

Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.postmodern
From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Subject: Re: Other cyber/industrial zines
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.034803.4082@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja) writes:
>
>Could you please give info about the following?
>
>1. I heard somebody mention Industrial Nation and Technology Works.  How
>   are these?  Is their main focus the music?  Do they ever talk about
>   anything else besides music?

I think I've got all 11 issues of Technology Works.  It's a pretty cool little
zine that focuses exclusively on industrial music.  Each issue has interviews,
CD & tape reviews, Industrial Deja Vu, which lists sources for samples in
various songs, and random news of upcoming events, albums, tours, and brief
mentions of things like call-in lines and items of interest in other zines.
Each issue is made up of folded over 8.5x11" pages on white paper, very
nicely done with nifty digitized artwork.  The editor, Paul Moore, is on
the net, too.  His address is pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu.

Here's a list of back issues, with the bands interviewed each issue:

 1. Meat Beat Manifesto
 2. Nitzer Ebb
 3. Revolting Cocks, Paul Barker, Nine Inch Nails
 4. Consolidated, A-Politiq, MC 900 Ft Jesus
 5. Einsteinium Noisebutton, Die Warzau, Biohazard/PCB (now Contagion), 2nd
    Communication
 6. Skinny Puppy, Kode IV, Frontline Assembly
 7. Front 242, KMFDM, Crash Worship
 8. Zoviet France, Nitzer Ebb, Consolidated
 9. Thrill Kill Kult, FM Einheit, Controlled Bleeding, Meat Beat Manifesto
10. ClockDVA, Coil, Merzbow, Babyland
11. Numb, The Young Gods, Moby

Issues 1-6 are US $1, 7-11 are US $1.50.  I think the first ten issues can 
be had as a package deal for ten bucks.

The address is:
Technology Works
PO Box 477
Placentia CA
92670-0477
USA

It's a pretty cool rag.  The reviews are fairly detailed, the interviewers ask
intelligent questions, and the zine overall feels cohesive.  It's pretty
cheap, too, since those prices include postage.

@Man  

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From: ken@Control.COM (Ken Crater)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: Re: FAQ please
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:04:01 GMT
Organization: Control Technology Corp., Hopkinton MA

nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja) writes:
>In article <92287.204341CP8219A@auvm.american.edu> Christopher H. Prokop 
>CP8219A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>How can I get the FAQ???

>As far as I know there is no alt.industrial FAQ.
>Net NINja

Actually, there is, but you wouldn't like it.  alt.industrial was 
originally started by the Industrial Computing Society, and is now
cast off like a rusty old steel drum as the ICS moved over to
alt.industrial.computing.

Now, this newsgroup is solely inhabited by denizens of industrial culture.
How fitting...  :-)
Ken
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Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: ddm@hamby.tx.ncsu.edu (David Mann)
Subject: Newsgroups...
Organization: North Carolina State University
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:46:41 GMT

Just a suggestion, take the conversation over to rec.music.industrial
and you'll get a lot more action.  This newsgroup is for the Industrial
Computing Society and related topics (its ok, i made the mistake too,
that's what r.m.i was made for)...

Dave

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Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.music.alternative,alt.rave
From: pbancrof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Phil Bancroft)
Subject: Re: Rave?
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:44:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.070508.16272@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nninja@nyx.cs.du.
du (Net Ninja) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.022832.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kzimmerman@eagle.wesl

>an.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.221136.14504@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jselwonk@nyx.c

>du.edu (Jon Selwonk) writes:
>>> 
>>> What is Rave?
>>Do you mean the pop side of techno, songs like Sesame's Treet? Well, ev

>
>>hardcore ravers hate it, like myself... ;)
>>Or do you mean raves themselves? 
>>
>>> Why do people hate it so much, and...
>>See above. I can see a non-techno lover hearing "rave" music and declar

>g the
>>whole thing to be shite. Shame really. Like judging industrial thru NIN

>>
>>> Why is it so "incompatible" with Cyberpunk and industrial culture.
>>
>>I don't see it as incompatible with cyberpunk culture but then again I'

>not a
>>cyberpunk. As for industrial, well, industrial culture is heavily negat

>e and
>>depressed and angry, while techno is at turns happy or brutally forcefu

>(the
>>old breakbeat vs. hardcore axis). It's never really "angry" in the teen

>ngst
>>sense...
>>
>>Anybody else?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> CSFrosh
>>> 
>
>
>I've heard some techno and some mix tapes which _are_ very angst-y, like
>Aphex Twin, Dr. Fernando, etc.  But the stuff that gets played at the ra
es
>_I_ go to is like "Sesame Street" and "James Brown is Dead" and stuff -
>definitely not industrial.  Rave is really a much better incarnation of
>the disco movement and thus has very little to do with industrial cultur
.
> However, at raves themselves there is always an undercurrent of impendi
g
>apocalypse....
>
>THat's kind if "cyberpunk if you think abut it...
>
>BTW, anybody know when Aphex Twin is going to release a full album:
>everybody "else" has or has one in the works.
>
>Net Ninja
>


The way I see it, industrial culture is occupied with the problems of the
present and the immediate future.
Cyberpunk is occupied with the problems of the future.
Rave tends to ignore all problems.

Ergo rave is not compatible with cyberpunk/industrial culture.
It's just that some magazines like oh, I don't know, Mondo 2000, lump
all these things together _w/o thinking_
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
M2000 should be required reading for the rave generation. Let them
suffer.....


P*H*I*L  B*A*N*C*R*O*F*T*
JAMES BROWN IS ALIVE

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