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From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Re: Turkish Teams in European Cups
Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.163459.622@math.ucla.edu>, dstein@vesta.math.ucla.edu
(David Stein) writes:

> >Olomuc Sigma (Czechoslovakia) - Fenerbahce: 7-1   (Olomuc advances)
> >
> >This is a dark day for the Turkish football. Neither the Turkish teams
> >nor the Turkish national team has faced such humiliation for years.
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Given the good results of the other two Turkish teams, I assume 
>   something unusual happened in the game with Olomouc.  Perhaps
>   Fenerbahce just gave up after a terrible start, or maybe they
>   had players sent off the field for fauls.  In any case, Olomouc
>   is a strong team (they kicked out Hamburg last year), and I 
>   expected them to pull through.
> 
>   BTW, doesn't the coach of Fenerbahce come from Czechoslovakia?
>   Venglos should be his name.  I actually heard that he said in
>   an interview that if Fenerbahce will lose in Olomouc, he might as
>   well stay in Czechoslovakia since otherwise the Istanbul crowd
>   will tear him apart.  I'm not sure if he was joking or if he
>   will really stay home after such a debacle.
> 
>  - David
> 
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
> Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
> ================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===



This week in the Turkish league Fenerbahce beat Galatasaray, the Istanbul team
that eliminated Eintracht Frankfurt in the UEFA cup. Your guess about how things
went in the game is correct. Fener, completed the game with 8 players since 3 of
them were sent off due to conflicts with the referee on a penalty that was not
given to FB, and on another that was called in favour of the Czechs. I did not
watch the game, but apparently it was not one of Fener's best days. 

As for Venglos, I don't think he is in any risk as long as Fener keeps up in the
Turkish League, in which it is currently placed second. Turkish hooligans tend
to prefer to take it with exeternal causes in cases of failure. In that case,
whoever the referee of this match was, is the one that should revise his 
plans to visit Turkey.

Good luck to the Czech team...


--
Onur Yalcin 
oyalcin@iastate.edu

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "Dunlea the pseudo-scholar" in action.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:09:33 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov8.193746.19732@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:

>No, perhaps you should treat yourself to a good psychiatrist. Especially when
>you waste your time posting irrelevant rubbish but can't even respond to
>historical fact. 

Is that how the mind of a pseudo-scholar works? I was convinced that no one 
could have a more warped sense of the world. Now, any comment?

Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.

This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: 

a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most 
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional 
Republic in Berlin during World War II; 

b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social 
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members 
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' 

c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves 
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, 

d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side 
by side with the Wehrmacht.

In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network 
of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands 
of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and 
Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column 
activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were 
promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement 
signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can 
be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) 
On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens 
alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered 
the war.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.theory
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish minority.
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 21:43:50 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Bx6sG4.2Dp@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:

|> The Greek governments must be held to account for the sub-human conditions 
|> of the Turkish minority living in the Western Thrace under the brutal 
|> Greek domination. The religious persecution, cultural oppression and 
|> economical ex-communication applied to the Turkish population in that 
|> area are the dimensions of the human rights abuse widespread in Greece.
|> 
|> Serdar Argic

>Come on, Serdar, don 't say rubbish.

Your senses lie to you? The Greek authorities deny even the existence 
of a Turkish minority. They pursue the same denial in connection 
with the Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition,
in 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091,
virtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and
other charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting
religious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek 
governments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective
of the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although
the Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in
Greece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing
its religious leaders. Talk about democracy.

The government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic 
convention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an 
attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a 
violation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' 
Greek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection 
of historical monuments. 

The government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new 
churches in remote villages as a complementary step toward 
Hellenizing the region.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: georglin@leland.Stanford.EDU (george lin)
Subject: Re: The Armenians are continuing to massacre Muslims in the vicinity of...
Keywords: Serdar Argic Hasan Mutlu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:44:53 GMT

Argic Serdar Mutlu Hasan is the focus of evil inthe modern world.  Argic
Argic Argic Serdar




In article <9211120159@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.202547.20616@pellns.alleg.edu> twiddyd@carn21.alleg.edu (David Twiddy) writes:
>
>>	I see that someone has taken the nescessary steps to remove Senar  
>>Argic from the Net.
>
>If a dog's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky.
>Ottoman Armenians have decided to betray their own government
>in 1914 and stab in the back by collaborating with the invading
>Russian armies, hoping to establish a separate Armenian state
>in Eastern Anatolia. The Armenian leaders played a gamble that 
>cost 2.5 million Turkish and Kurdish lives.
>
>Source: Kazim Karabekir, "Istiklal Harbimiz," Istanbul, 1969.
>
>p. 71.
>
>"1. Those individuals who have escaped in order to save their lives, have
> reported that the Armenians have begun to destroy by massacres the
> Muslim inhabitants of Kagizman and its vicinity.
>
> 2. The Armenians have attacked Kurudere, have killed 5 men and 3 women,
> and taken along 33 men, 1 bride, 1 girl, and 440 head of cattle.
>
> 3. It is known that on July 4th, they attacked four villages under the
> jurisdiction of Akcakale between Kars and Oltu, and have killed all the
> inhabitants of one, and have taken 60 men from each other village, and
> butchered them. The Armenians who attacked these villages made use of
> five cannons, and seven machine guns. The Commander of this force was
> someone named Arshak.
>
> 4. In the village of Yuzkus, the Armenians abducted the sister, wife,
> and daughter of a Muslim.
>
> 5. The Armenians are continuing to massacre Muslims in the vicinity of
> Karakut." 
>
>Serdar Argic
>
>                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
>


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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: That 1.5% thing....
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis


>Deniz Akkus:
>Yes, not very popular.  Communist parties are allowed
now, in Turkey, >although still bound in bureaucratic rules I believe.
>
>>What about the freedom of the press? What 's with the movie "Midnight
>>Express"?
>
>It is an American movie, quite prejudiced in its portrayal of the
>country.  When I see a movie with blond, tanned foreigner against a
>bunch of greasy haired, short, fat, ugly middle easterner types who all
>would like to rape the blond tanned foreigner, I would get suspicious
>as to how accurate the portrayal is....

 So what's with "Yol" and "Duvar" by Guney (spelling?). Are Turks
prejudiced against Turks?

 In any case, the subject is freedom of expression, not the artistic
merits of the movie. Two years ago all three movies mentioned were
banned in Turkey. Is this still true?

Michael
                                                                                                                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: >>> LEEDS-BOSNIA ACTION CAMPAIGN <<<
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:56:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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                  |STOP ETHNIC CLEANSING NOW|
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bosnia  is a  multi-ethnic  sovereign country  recognized by  the
international  community  and  the  United  Nations.  The  United
Nations Commissioner  for Refugees  says (28.8.92) that  nearly 3
million people have been displaced  in Bosnia mainly in detention
camps.  At least  2 million  have  fled Bosnia,  most to  Crotia,
Austria and Germany.

"Ethnic Cleansing"  means that when  the Serbs take control  of a
Muslim town, village  or street every Muslim family  is forced to
sign their  house and  contents over  to the  Serbs. The  men are
usually  placed in  camps and  the women  and children  forced to
leave the area.  If they object, their homes are  burned and they
are beaten and harrassed into leaving.

The  London  conference  (27.8.92)   agreed  that  "Refugees  and
displaced  persons should  be allowed  to return  voluntarily and
safely to their places of origin".

However  Serbia  now  occupies  65%  of  Bosnia  and  unless  the
international  community   enforces  the   return  of   all  this
territory,  any  refugees  returning  would  be  forced  to  live
concentrated into the remaining Muslim towns.

If the ghettoization of communities  on the basis of ethnicity is
allowed to take place in Bosnia then no town or country in Europe
can guarantee that  "ethnic cleansing" will not be  placed on its
political agenda.

The British Government used military  means to protect the rights
of the people  in the Falklands and Kuwait. The  people of Bosnia
have the  right to live  in peace in  their own country.  We must
defend that right. If we do not who will defend our right to live
in a multi-ethnic society?

Correspondence to: P.O. BOX HH27, LEEDS LS8 4TB, UK.

Contact persons: Maureen Baker 0532-758735
                 Jamal Al Turk 0532-784806
                 Shakil Razzaq 0532-659182
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: hilmi-er@vida.enet.dec.com (Hilmi Eren)
Subject: PKK-PALME
Reply-To: hilmi-er@vida.enet.dec.com (Hilmi Eren)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:25:30 GMT


A note from the "Palme Investigation".

	AFTONBLADET,Swedish Press 10/11/92




"PKK is the killer of former Swedish primeminister says the 
former police-chief of the "Palme-investigation" , Mr Hans Holmer.
About the Motive:
		1) Sweden, the only state in west had stamp PKK as a
		   terroristorganization

		2) Palme  denied high PKK members asylum to Sweden.

		3) Sweden had excellent trading with PKK enemy Turkey.

		4) Sweden had one PKK prisoner serving life sentence.

About the weapon:
		1) A thief said that he had sold a Smith & Wesson to a PKK
		   member.

		2) Bugging PKK members in Sweden showed that these were talking
	 	   about a "wedding" a code notation for execution in PKK's
	     	   language.

About the scene of murder:
		1) Around the scene of murder there were some PKK- members.

About the killer:
		1) The killer is a member of PKK, a witness point him out,
		   he was standing around the scene of murder.




	Al above information is from Hans Holmer, former police-chief,
	wrote by Aftonbladet, Swedish Press 10/11/92.
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Kaplumbaga" vs "US Archives": The Armenian genocide of the Muslims.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:12:40 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <83369@ut-emx.uucp> vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky) writes:

>The readers of all these newsgroup are probably familiar with Hasan
>B. Mutlu who used to flood the net with Goebbels-style anti-Armenian
>propaganda.  Recently, articles of the same style and content started

"Okaplumbaga". Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 
million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of 
that genocide. You, and those like you, will not get away with the 
genocide's cover-up. Not a chance.

Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in 
 the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly 
 defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
 the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."

Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields," 
Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481.

"As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars
 as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre
 of the Tartar population." 

Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24, 
1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"

"As demonstrated by the innumerable declarations, provocative pamphlets,
 weapons, ammunition, explosives, etc., found in areas inhabited by
 the Armenians, the rebellion had been prepared over a long time,
 organized, strengthened and financed by Russia. 

 Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
 it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
 defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
 sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the 
 Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Muslims.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:00:30 GMT

Please refrain from posting this on soc.culture.usa

While I feel for those affected, I subscribe to soc.culture.usa
to discuss the USA, not Armenia and what it may or may not have done to Turks.

(By the way does anyone ever read *all* of those 20+ page posts?)


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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Gagging at the mess of Sultan Serder I's nonsense.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:14:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9211122034@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

+>In article <visser.721500408@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

+>>	Presenting the 1992 edition of "scholars for sale".  Yes you
+>>too can buy the historical arguement of your choice for a rather
+>>small amount of money.  No line of arguement too disagreeable, 

	[List of Multu/Argic/????'s list of so-called scholars
	 deleted by Argic.]

+>You have been utterly humiliated on this point. I don't need to
+>add anything here. Nope, I take that back.

	Will you answer the question as to how many of your quoted
"scholars" are receiving money from either the Turkish government
or Turkish groups?


	Will you answer what territories currently not ruled by
turkey "rightfully" belong to turkey in your opinion?

	What makes you so afraid that you refuse to even post under
your own name?




Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:17:05 -0500 
From: Tan Egeli <te22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Eastern Michigan University

Hi there, I was wondering if anyone out there had the directory code for
Eastern Michigan. I haven't been able to find it at my university's
computer services library.
All I need is the code of their computer so that I can associate with
their mainframe and contact some of my friends through e-mail.

Thanks...

TE
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