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From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: screen blanker for HP 9000/710
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:10:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <1993Jan22.065108.22074@zephir.boa.ch>, bj@zephir.boa.ch (Beat Jucker) writes:
> Earl Locken (earl@jade.ab.ca) wrote:
> : 
> :       Is there any public domain (or otherwise freely available)
> : software I can use to blank the screen on an HP 9000/710, running
> 
> ==> xautolock is what you need ...

xautolock is OK, but I've switched to xscreensaver 1.8 because it does all
that xautolock does and more. The two big differences are 1) being able to
configure a LIST of what demos you want to run, rather than just one and 2)
a wonderful fade-out and fade-in when the screen saving stops and starts.

Oooh, I feel all wobbly...I think a shameless plug is about to appear...

You can grab both screen savers from our HP-UX archive ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk
(138.253.42.172) as the files /hpux/X11R4/Misc/xautolock-1.08.tar.Z and
/hpux/X11R4/Demos/xscreensaver-1.8.tar.Z.

In case you're wondering why they're in different directories, xscreensaver
comes with a load of its own demos, whereas xautolock doesn't.

Archive Librarian,        E-mail: ftp@csc.liv.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept.,
Liverpool University, 
Merseyside, England,
Great Britain.
From: alech@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alec Henderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Format of the Trace files from nettl?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:06:55 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

simon@moscow.uidaho.edu (Mike Simon) asks:

>While I'm asking, does anyone know if HP-UX 9.0 will support 
>promiscuous mode access of the ieee device?  It's been in the 
>include files for years, but never worked.

The DLPI interface supports access to promiscuous mode on HP's
Ethernet/802.3 LAN adapters.  HP provides the DLPI interface as
part of the STREAMS/UX product.  Note that STREAMS/UX is a 
separate product and requires HP-UX 9.xx.

Regards,
Alec Henderson

Telephone: 408-447-3965         	Hewlett-Packard
FAX:       408-447-3660			Information Networks Division
E-mail:    alech@cup.hp.com	       	19420 Homestead Road MS 43L9
HPDesk:    Alec Henderson/HP6600/1B	Cupertino, CA  95014  (USA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dalk@login.dkuug.dk (Lars Kalsen)
Subject: HP9000 and modems
Organization: DKnet
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:56:33 GMT

 Hi - out there,

We have a HP9000/827 running HP-UX 8.02. We want to use it as a
frontend to external connections. We are now trying to connect
modems to the machine but have had a number of troubles with that
and I do not know if we should change our concept. We do not want
to waste all this time every time we have to connect a new modem.

HP has advised us to use the Bell Standard instead of CCITT and it
seems to help. But we have a HP9000/857 where we have problems with
a modem set up as a Bell modem.

Does anyone have experience with

                1. HP9000 and modem problems in
                   in general.

                2. Difficulties with HP9000 and
                   the CCITT standard.

I need an advise because it has impact on how we build out our
frontend concept. So please E-mail me if you have experience or
opinions about either 1) or 2).


Lars Kalsen




Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: skcummi@iastate.edu (Sheri K Cummings)
Subject: Plotter printing problems and Netware
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:34:23 GMT

Our department just switched from LanManager to Netware 3.11.  We have set
up a dedicated workstation as a print server, and connected a HP 7600 series
model 355 plotter to it (LPT1 parallel).  Users sending print jobs from
Autocad 11 are experiencing problems.  Parts of the drawing may be ommitted
or in the wrong place.  We set the Time Out option in the capture to 25
seconds and disabled the Autoendcap feature.  These changes didn't help. 
The plotting errors don't occur each time.  They may plot the same drawing
three times and get a good one on the third try.  Should we have a printer
definition for the plotter set up in the Printdef database?  We went with 
the defaults when setting up the plotter in Pconsole.  Any suggestions
would be much appreciated.

Sheri Cummings                 Iowa State University
515-294-0207                   Ames,  IA  50011
skcummi@iastate.edu
From: tcahoon@msen.com (Tim Cahoon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Info needed for HP3000: PLEASE help
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:37:49 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Steve Steinberg (ss@panix.com) wrote:
: My company just aquired an HP 3000.  We bought a building and this
: was found in the computer room, still warm.  My questions are as 
: follows:

: 	Can it run HP-UX (or any other flavor)?

: If not:

: 	Can it run TCP/IP and get an 802.3 connection?
: 	Can it run NFS?

: I was considering using it for a file/mail/news server on our
: network.

: Thanks in advance, -- 
: =====================================================================
: === Steve Steinberg   ==  ss@panix.com  == {cmcl2,apple}!panix!ss ===

:               (The space below intentionally left blank)           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: vossen@nlsce1.seri.philips.nl (Hans Vossen)
Subject: Re: Questions about printer classes
Originator: news@phcoms.seri.philips.nl
Organization: SERI-CEN Network Services, Philips C&P, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:38:54 GMT

I do not have experience with workload but what I know is
that if these printers are remote printers (using rmodel)
then classes will not work at all. This is because rlp is
looking for the files in the request-directory of the named
printer, not in the request-directory of the class. It's
a bug(according to me) or a restriction (according to hp).
No workaround available.

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MAIL: vossen@sce.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mkibler@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Michael K. Kibler)
Subject: 425t upgrade to 715/33 t
Originator: mkibler@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:32:29 GMT


We are considering upgrading our 425 t to a 710 t. Does anyone have the
list price on this? I called the HP order number but without a product
nr they could not find it.

Also it appears that the 19" color monitor we are using on the 425 t will
not work with 700 series (at least our 710s). I believe they switched from
60HZ to 72HZ. The question is will the upgrade (board swap) work with our
old 60HZ monitors?

thanks in advance,

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From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: inverse to x11start
Summary: logging out at X finish
Keywords: X
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:57:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <1jnibuINNp5@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com> pld@fc.hp.com (Paul_Dineen) writes:
>Kevin Caskey (kevin@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: I am at a loss to find a way to log out on my hp9000-340.
>: when I log in x windows does not start by default. To start it I
>: issue the x11start command. X windows then starts up. However, I can not
>: log out from x windows nor shut it down. Last night I shut off the machine
>: just to log off. There must be a cleaner way.
>
>  Are you using Motif?  If so, use a root window definition like the
>  following in your .mwmrc file:

This works form mwm, but not for other managers.  If you look at
your x11start script, you will see that the last program started
automatically has an & after it, then a BIG sleep command which will
wait for the &'ed command to exit.  If the window manager is the one
&'ed then you will exit X when the window manager exits.  If not,
killing all the &'ed programs (usually an xterm is the chosen one)
will exit X for you.

Of course, this will not log you out of your original session.  To
do this, you should "exec x11start" which will replace the current
shell with the script x11start.  When the x11start script
terminates, the login program is restarted by init...

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: john@sol.cs.wmich.edu (John Kapenga)
Subject: want info - HP-3000/42 and 100s
Keywords: vintage equipment
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:47:55 GMT



hi;

Someone is willing to donate the folowing (1984+ vintage) equipment:

HP series 100 (several),  2 floppy disks, monitor nad printer in a box.
HP 3000 series 42 mini with a 7933 hard disk.
HP 2602A printers (several)
HP 2563A printers (several)

Some printers are HPIB and some are serial.

The system was set up as a network and used in an accounting office on
an engineering firm. Before determining if I should go out to look at them
I had some questions (that the person on the other end is trying to answer.)


What OS(s) ran on these? (if HP/UX was the only one I'll be happy,
	I think the 100s ran DOS)
What network was likely used? (ethernet tcp/ip would be best for me)
How big was the hard disk?
What was likely the disk interface (I expect HPIB so it won't move to
	a PC or SUN)
Could one add multiple serial lines to the 3000 and an ethernet card
	supporting tcp/ip?
What kind of printers are these?

I expect these are too old for me to use, but who knows.
If I don't take these items and anyone else is interested (they
want a tax-deductable donation) I'll be happy to forward a phone
number.

cheers - john
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: Another laserrom query
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:42:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

I'll see the economy and raise (?) one. Howzabout keeping the man
pages for a whole group of systems on just one box, and then NFS-mount
them? Perhaps better would be to use the automounter and two different
systems, just for the sake of greater availability...

rick jones
these opinions are mine, all mine, H-P would not want them anyway ;-)
From: tcahoon@msen.com (Tim Cahoon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: want info - HP-3000/42 and 100s
Date: 28 Jan 1993 05:20:42 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

John Kapenga (john@sol.cs.wmich.edu) wrote:


: hi;

: Someone is willing to donate the folowing (1984+ vintage) equipment:

: HP series 100 (several),  2 floppy disks, monitor nad printer in a box.
: HP 3000 series 42 mini with a 7933 hard disk.
: HP 2602A printers (several)
: HP 2563A printers (several)

: Some printers are HPIB and some are serial.

: The system was set up as a network and used in an accounting office on
: an engineering firm. Before determining if I should go out to look at them
: I had some questions (that the person on the other end is trying to answer.)


: What OS(s) ran on these? (if HP/UX was the only one I'll be happy,
: 	I think the 100s ran DOS)
: What network was likely used? (ethernet tcp/ip would be best for me)
: How big was the hard disk?
: What was likely the disk interface (I expect HPIB so it won't move to
: 	a PC or SUN)
: Could one add multiple serial lines to the 3000 and an ethernet card
: 	supporting tcp/ip?
: What kind of printers are these?

: I expect these are too old for me to use, but who knows.
: If I don't take these items and anyone else is interested (they
: want a tax-deductable donation) I'll be happy to forward a phone
: number.

: cheers - john
: -- 
: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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: Ma Bell:  (616)387-5657           Western Michigan University
: Internet: john@cs.wmich.edu       Kalamazoo, MI 49008
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: "dan schneeberger" <dan.schneeberger@canrem.com>
Subject: remote printing-help!
Reply-To: "dan schneeberger" <dan.schneeberger@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:20:58 EST

A friend of mine is trying to get remote printing working over TCP/IP on
an HP 9000/847, and is being told that HP/ux. Specifically, they are
hooking up a Gandalf stat mux via TCP/IP. There's supposed to be some
user software available somewhere for the HP that will allow this to
work. Does anybody know anything about this?
You can also reply to george_henne@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com directly.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: malthe@rogn.uio.no (Anders Malthe-Sorenssen)
Subject: Keyboard table for DYALOG-APL on an X-terminal Rs700/Rx
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Oslo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:50:35 GMT

We have a HP750 running Dyalog Apl, which works fine for normal 
workstations ( 700 and 750 ), but we lack a keyboard conversion table 
for the Rs700/Rx X-terminal. None of the default ones in 
/usr/local/bin/Xdyalog/aplkeys work.

Is there anybody out there  who has such a translation table 
ready ?  Or do I simply have to sit down, push each key and record 
the key-value ?  ( depressing work ! )
From: dieh2133@w251zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Rolf Diehl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: which files are sourced for root at login?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:43:29 GMT
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: w251zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

Hi,
how can I get rid of the output to stdout on login of root.
I did not find any .profile|.cshrc|.login in / or /etc. I need that for
a remote backup system that performs a remote shell on my machine.
Thanks for any help.
	Rolf Diehl.

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From: tom@hicomb.hi.com (Thomas Yen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP LAN PROBE Questions
Keywords: HP PROBE
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:49:04 GMT
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
NNTP-Posting-Host: loki.hi.com

Hi!

I am interested to hear from you about HP Lan Probe monitor product.
Is it works and worthed to buy? How is it compare to others vendor
Lan monitor tool? It is easy to use or very pain to operate and so on.
What are the pros and cons of the HP Lan Probe?

Thanks in advance

-tom

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: bes38869@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Bard Duelak   )
Subject: New, HP95LX's for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:37:43 GMT

	I have three, new, in the box HP95LX's for sale, along 
 with the Connectivity packs from HP for the PC.
 Like I said, these are new and still have factory warranties.
	EduCalc sells the 95 for $589, and the Connectivity
 packs for $79.95.  I want to fet rid of these, and am selling
 th 95LX w/1Mb of Ram along wiht the pack for $540 each.
 If interested, please E-mail me at bes38869@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu .

 - Blair

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From: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: COPS and perl on HP 9000/700s
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:55:26 -0500
Organization: Symbiosis Corporation, Miami, Florida  (305) 597-4000
Distribution: na
Reply-To: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: symbi1.symbiosis.ahp.com

nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins) writes:

>I have the job of helping our computer centre port the COPS security
>suite of programs to HP-UX on the 700s (currently 8.07).

>One suggested route is  getting perl running on said machines, an
>alternative would be fiddling with the makefiles.

>Can anybody a) tell me where to get perl ? 
>or b) supply a makefile that works. 

Perl is available from all fine archives, including ftp.uu.net

It works very nicely under HP/UX (though Randel advises me that his
expect library may not work properly).

Cops was also no trouble to get working under HP/UX, but of course I
already had perl installed since it is such a useful tool on it's own.

If you are interested in Cops, you may want to also add Crack (which
works with very minor tweaking) and possibly Tripwire (which I haven't 
quite got working.)

aem

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: formula@athena.mit.edu (Ronald R. Duff Jr.)
Subject: HP Digital I/O, Dual Voltage DAC, and Relay Actuator for sale
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:20:35 GMT

	I thought I'd post these items in comp.sys.hp since they are not
the run-of-the-mill computer peripherals, but (what apears to be)
specialized HP components.
	I recently acquired three pieces of H.P. equipment that I wish to
sell.  The items do not come with manuals.  I have not used these items so
I am selling them on an "as-is" basic.  No refunds will be given.  The
devices appear to have been well taken care of and are very clean.  The
"retail price" is what HP sold them for when they were new.  I would like
to send the items COD including shipping costs.

HP 61010A Digital I/O		Retail price = $825
HP 61012A Dual Voltage DAC	Ratail price = $825
HP 61017A Relay Actuator	Retail price = $925

	I am asking "best offer" on each piece.

	Send offers to formula@athena.mit.edu.

--Ron
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From: ndiaye@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Alassane Ndiaye)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: HP-LIBRARIES
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:43:28 GMT
Reply-To: ndiaye@cs.uni-sb.de (Alassane Ndiaye)
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Saarbruecken -- Germany

Hello Netters,
We've been trying to load foreign-librairies (from HP) in LUCID, but
unfortunately we got the following error:
COMMON-LISP-USER> (load-foreign-libraries nil '("-ldd98705"))
>>Error: Invalid or garbled library file: /usr/lib/libdd98705.a

LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARIES:
   Required arg 0 (SYMBOLS): NIL
   Optional arg 1 (LIBRARIES): ("-ldd98705")
:A  0: Abort to Lisp Top Level




nuriel.ndiaye-57:ll /usr/lib/libdd98705.a
-r--r--r--   1 bin       221184 Jun  6  1991 /usr/lib/libdd98705.a


We are using LUCID 4.1 at a machine HP-UX nuriel A.B8.05 A 9000/720 53904122

Any hints? Need I a newer /usr/lib/libdd98705.a ?

Please e-mail me. Thank in advance
Bye,
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From: jcb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Julian Bradfield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: parallel interface on series 300
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:59:46 GMT
Reply-To: Julian Bradfield <jcb@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

The following problem is driving me berserk; any help would be much
appreciated.

I have a 9000/300, to which I used to have a printer attached by the
parallel port. There was always a problem, in that it only worked
with a kernel built on one of the two server nodes we have.
Unfortunately, that server died fairly permanently recently, so I'm
stuck with a defunct parallel interface/driver. The symptom is that any
attempt to open /dev/parallel (which is major 21, minor 0x170000)
fails with EOPNOTSUPP .
I've tried every plausible kernel configuration to no avail. The
really irritating thing is that the parallel interface on the server
node *does* work; even if I take the server dfile and make the minimum
changes necessary to turn into a client dfile, I still get EOPNOTSUPP
on my client.

Any ideas? (The OS is HP-UX 8.00.)
From: b_kildea@access.digex.com (Brian Kildea)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HPUX BLS userguide ??
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:42:33 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1993Jan18.151642.17736@walter.cray.com> neshba@cray.com (Nesheim Byron A) writes:
>We have recently received a copy of a famous relational database that states
>that it be run on a "HPUX BLS 8.0.4" system. Does anyone know what BLS is??
>It also says to read the HPUX BLS Installation guide. Could this be B level 
>Security??
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>neshba@cray.com
>

You guessed right. BLS means B-Level Secure Operating System. Though I'm
not too familiar with BLS, I've been in the Department of Defense Unix
world long enough to figure this out. There several sub-classifications of
B-Level security (B1 and B2), and I'm not certain to which this refers.
Your local HP sales representative should be able to provide you with
better details about BLS. Good Luck.
From: stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HPUX BLS userguide ??
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:58:27 GMT
Organization: Tivoli Systems, Inc

Yes, HPUX BLS is a B1-level security OS, based in some part on the
work done by Secureware.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jfm@babalu.inesc.pt (Joao Martins)
Subject: Problems with HP C++
Organization: INESC, Lisboa Portugal
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:23:52 GMT


Hi there,

I am currently building a rather large application using HP C++ 3.0.
It compiles without trouble, but when I try to link it, the loader
complains with the following error message:

cc: error 1405: "/bin/ld" terminated abnormally.

I got this message after adding just a few lines of code. According to
the manual this means that the loader crashed. What on the core file
returns 

core:
        92453-07 A.08.54.1 Linker
        HP92453-02A.08.30 HP-UX SYMBOLIC DEBUGGER (END.O) $Revision: 71.9 $

so I am pretty sure that the problem is with the loader.

Any ideas or workarounds on how to solve this problem ? I have a
deadline real soon now, and can't even compile it.

If you think you can help me, please do so.
Thanks in advance.
Joao M.
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