HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Family Values" -- Clinton Continues to Miss Opportunity
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:47:57 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <9208300327.AA14754@poly.math.cornell.edu>
harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
 
>
>
>
>        Percentage of Americans which found the following "very
>        important" to promote family values:
>
>
>-- Creating a National Health Care Program: 83 percent
>
>
>-- Spending more money on education: 88 percent
>
>
Kind of says something about how well informed the electorate is,
doesn't it? That, or how questions are phrased in a poll. "If spending
more money would make for better education in this country, would you
support the increase?" Well, sure. But we've seen plenty to show us that
spending money on education isn't going to do a damn thing other than
improve the lifestyles of teachers and school administrators. We know this,
and we have evidence the NEA believes this as well- that's why they're so
afraid of school choice programs. Once those on the public school gravy
train have to compete based on *results* it would be a different story.
 
Yeah, we need a government administered health care system so we can
be as healthy as the British, and as well looked after as those cared for
by the Veterans Administration. Just what we need; a plan to institutionalize
what's wrong with the current fee-for-service system. Those with a memory
that goes back before 1960 might remember that the AMA once fought *all*
medical insurance tooth-and-nail...until they discovered they could make
*more* money through fee-for-service. Now they're fighting HMOs, which
limit the amount of money MDs can make and reduce costs overall. But government
helath insurance will be all fee-for-service...and they can make out like
all the bandits who specialize in Medicare service. Come by my house one
day and I'll show you a three-story clinic a few blocks away that was paid
for entirely by the cataract surgeries done by *one* doctor.
 
And as for child care...the state has put in plenty of regulations that
make it impossible for individuals to run small neighborhood child care
facilities. Enough to guarentee that unless youy're upper-middle-class
you'l eventually *need* to use a subsidized state-run child care service.
Just like with education. Sense a pattern? ;-)
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.culture.latin-america,talk.politics.misc
From: wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs)
Subject: Re: SWAT team kills innocent woman in No-Knock raid.
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Random ReOrganization Generator
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.131723.1@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com> schar@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com writes:
]>>This situation sounds pretty bad, right?  Well catch this: Larry
]>>Pratt, the man they were coming to arrest, was *innocent*!  They
]>>dropped all charges shortly afterwards, saying they had received
]>>a "bad tip".
]>>All charges against the men, including Pratt's husband, later were
]>>dropped for lack of evidence.  Witnesses said Larry Pratt was at work
]>>at the time of the robbery.  The others also had alibis.
]
]I know I've heard Larry Pratt's name before in connection with some form of
]activism.  Was he actively involved in a pro-gun/anti-WoD/jury
]nullification/personal liberty-type organization?  If so, the implications are
]ominous.  

It's probably either a coincidence, or somebody got the names mixed up.
Larry Pratt is head of Gun Owners of America, which is mainly a
pro-2nd-Amendment lobbying group, based in somewhere-near-DC - wasn't
this case in somewhere-far-away-from-DC ?

I've heard Larry speak, and I was surprised to find out that he'd been
a moderately-liberal professional-type who was anti-gun until he
decided that rioting in his area was a danger to his family - 
I'd expected him to be the usual raving good-old-boy gun nut :-)

-- 

				Pray for peace;      Bill
#Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.ho.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# Any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced ...
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From: ccx018@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Leslie Griffiths (Griff))
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:13:18 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <1992Sep1.084241.3837@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	I don't care *who* is doing the attacking, 100lb women or little green
>men, if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself.
>

I'm not sure about the self-defence laws in the US, but I seem to recall some-
thing about 'reasonable force'. If (as was not the case here) you were attacked
by someone unarmed and posing little threat otherwise and you blew them away to
avoid the possibility of a few bruises, then you'd deserve to be locked up.

Cheers

-- 
Griff				\\         	ccx018@uk.ac.cov
^^^^^		       		 :-=       	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		        	//
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Adopt a BBS
Summary: Let's get this info out to a wider base.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:08:01 GMT
Keywords: expand democratic democracy


     Adopt a BBS
     ===========

Although there is a wealth of fine articles continually 
being posted on this "net," this information does not get out to 
the general public. Hence, by the nature of the technological 
setup through which this vitally important information is 
disseminated, we are talking about an elitist, undemocratic 
distribution system.

Sure, we are all avowedly more or less democratic. Yet stop 
and consider, please, who are we talking to here? The general 
public does not have the ability to access this special 
information source. The people to whom it is most important that 
this information is made available are not getting it. Instead, a 
select group of academics, government and corporate types are the 
only ones being told. So, here we are, in a sort of endless 
committee meeting in which we continually go round in circles 
without reaching the wider audience to whom this information is 
critical.

Realizing this, I am going to suggest an "Adopt a BBS" 
policy. In whatever neighborhood you are living, it is very 
likely that a private individual is running their own BBS. In my 
own neighborhood, for example, I have begun posting a speech 
given by Ralph Nader to the Harvard Law School in January of this 
year. Thus far, this information has been very well received. It 
is my experience that these local BBSes have a very tolerant 
attitude as to what is posted. In fact, in my experience, it is 
quite rare that any censorship occurs.

Adopt a BBS. Many of these local BBSes have "echoes." This 
means that the information which you post gets passed along a 
chain of other BBSes.

Although it is true that the message forums of many of these 
local BBSes are not geared to massive postings, I have been able 
to get around this by posting the information in bite-size 
chunks. Each night, with the Nader speech, I have posted a 
hundred lines or so and ended it with a "to be continued."

We have got to go beyond the current incestuous setup, in 
which the wealth of information which we have is only being read 
by an elite group. We have got to connect with the people if we 
are ever going to advance.

Adopt a BBS. By just taking a few minutes each day to post a 
portion of any of the fine articles available to us on this 
"net," we will begin to strengthen our cause. The people of this 
country have already installed the technology for us in their 
living rooms and basements. It is up to us to take advantage of 
it.

Anyone needing phone numbers of local BBSes in your area, 
please send me an e-mail message requesting a list of local 
numbers along with the name of the city or town from which the 
message originates. Let's expand, people.


Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."



Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: maxwell@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: Gus savage is history
Organization: What does *this* button do!?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:39:08 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnala.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:

[...]
> They've used that right to put some 30 african-americans into congress and many  
> other politicians of color, including the vilest racist scum of the likes of  
> Rep. Gus Savage. 

Well, Carl, you should feel a lot better then, because due to the most recent
gerrymandering in Illinois, Gus Savage will *not* be returning to Washington
next year.

Every once in a great while, something nice actually happens. (You shoulda
heard that execrable bigot whine when he lost the primary--- hee hee!)

regards.max
From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:40:54 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Aug30.015822.26721@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>,
kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:
>
>>There
>>is a difference between scrawling ''Joanie loves Chachi'' on a
>>deli-owners wall and scrawling ''Niggers Go Home!''."
>
>Either way, its property damage. I don't care what you write.
>
property being, of course, what makes humans so damn special.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs)
Subject: Re: Labor Party Organizing Network
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Random ReOrganization Generator
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:55:08 GMT

In article <9208200326.AA02702@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
]   We hereby agree to form a Labor Party Organizing Network (LPON) to
]   help advance the discussion, education and organization necessary
]   to promote labor-led coalitions that can field independent
]   candidates on a state and local level beginning in 1993,
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]Topic 260       LaborParty Organizing Network!!! 
]dwalters        Labor News & Notes       5:16 pm  Aug 16, 1992 
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Who's behind this?  Are the AFL-CIO supporting it?  Or is it another 
group like the "U.S. Party" run by the LaRouche fascisti ?
Do the people organizing it have a well-defined ideology,
or are they just looking for a power base?
n
-- 

				Pray for peace;      Bill
#Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.ho.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# Any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced ...
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: danlip@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Adam Lipofsky)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:41:27 GMT

In article <92245.132440ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>In article <Btwzr8.Jwq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>(Blue Rage) says:
>>
>>In article <adams.715369517@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>>
>>>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>>>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
>>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>        Uh, no.  Not white.  But dead.
>>
>>        Y'oughta reconsider the little pictures they show you in your
>>white oriented Sunday school books, no?
>>
>     Huh?  You have me confused... Are you saying Jesus was black, or what
>exactly?  I'm the furthest thing from a religious studies major, but I thought
>Jesus was Jewish..?
>
>Brett

You also don't know the diffrence between race and religion.  Jesus
(probably) was Jewish.  This does not determine what race he was.
He was probably Semetic, which you could call white (you could also
call it Arab, Middle Eastern, North African, etc).

There are Jews of all races (white, black, hispanic, etc.)

--danlip
-- 
"The calender of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up.  No-one knows
why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out."
	--Terry Pratchett, _Wyrd_Sisters_
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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:20:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: spssig.adams.715634421
Organization: SPSS Inc.

edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:

>In article <adams.715369517@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes...
>> 
>>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jesus was NOT white!!!!!!

Oh really?  Last I checked, Semitic people were caucasian.  And often a lot
'whiter' than the average Italian...

 -Steve
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From: regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.discrimination,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:08:24 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <RJOHNSON.92Aug25093943@conus.shell.com> rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson) writes:
>The trauma I've been referring to is the trauma of childbirth.  Whether
>abortion is traumatic or not, they choose it over childbirth because
>they believe that childbirth is unthinkable.  This belief is firmly
>established in society, enough so that I find it to be an assumption
>made my many people.  If you assume the result, it isn't a very thorough
>examination.

OK, Roy, how 'bout you entertain us all with some basis for your analysis
of this 'belief'.  Seems to me there are *plenty* of kids born each year,
too, which would seem to argue that your statement 'childbirth is unthink-
able' doesn't hold for a whole lot of people....

This 3 sentence statement is so full of personal interpretation that I'm
frankly surprised you have the blind guts to post it as 'fact'.

> >Roy, Please tell us one more thing:
> >Just where do you get your information?
>Gee, I know people who've had abortions.  Imagine that.

And they all told you: "I didn't know enough, and I couldn't find out?"

Adrienne Regard
From: Student.Assembly@dartmouth.edu (Student Assembly)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Network of student governments and student unions
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:49:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


The Student Assembly of Dartmouth College would like to establish and
maintain communications links with other student governments in the
U.S. and around the world.  The benefits of such an arrangement would
be many.  When issues of national and international importance arise,
we could coordinate our responses.  Since many of us face similar
problems on all our campuses, we could share ideas and tactics.  For
instance, the administration here has recently agreed to grant us one
student seat on the college's seven-member budget committee, the
highest financial decision-making body.  Student representatives at
Dartmouth will now have real influence over the amount of money
allocated for financial aid.   Student governments without such power
may be interested to know simply THAT such an arrangement exists so
that they, too, can force a similar concession from their
administration.

Any student government with e-mail capability is invited to send us
their e-mail address, and we will compile them and send updated lists
regularly to all participating governments.

(If there is already such an e-mail directory or network of student
governments, please let us know; we haven't heard of it.)

Earlier this week, we passed a statement against the upcoming anti-gay
and -lesbian referendum in Oregon, and we've already been covered by TV
stations in Oregon.  Tonight we will be faxing the statement to AP and
CNN.  We hope that other colleges will likewise do their best to put
this matter on the national agenda by generating media coverage.  And
there are plenty of other matters on which we could cooperate.

If you like the idea of inter-college e-mail, let us know.

Jeff Strabone
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: hlin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (hua.t.lin)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:21:35 GMT

In article <92244.145348U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.224700.15365@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael
>Friedman) says:
>>
>>In article <92243.163225SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>>Various brouhaha about who claims what deleted...
>>
>>>Here's how I see it...
>>
>>>Bush makes invalid claim about Clinton raising taxes 128 times...
>>
>>>Clinton responds that by same criteria, Bush did it 327 times...
>>
>>>Third party says real score is Clinton 59, Bush 78...
>>
>>>Now here's the clincher.  The way I see it, Clinton was not lying because
>>>he had already stated the criteria was bogus and was merely showing that
>>>if you apply the same Bu1!$h|+ to Bush, he's even worse...
>>
>>Excuse me, but don't you think 327 vs. 78 is significant?  I just love
>>the way the Clinton weenies bend over backwards to pretend that their
>>idol always tells the truth.
>
>
>Don't assume that I have the numbers to prove Clinton right-I don't. On the
>other hand,it seems that you went to a great length to either ignore or
>misinterpret what the original poster was really saying.

A factor ignored on this topic is Clinton's score is over 12 years and
Bush's is over 4 years. Using third-party quote above Clinton raised
taxes 59/12 = 4.9/year and Bush raised taxes 78/4 = 14.5/year.
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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: BUSH: The "Energy President" (II)
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:41:19 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB


******************************************************************  
 Kilograms of motor gasoline eonsumed per capita, 1989; and  
average annual percentage growth of oil imports, 1982 to 1988:  
******************************************************************  
                    GASOLINE CONSUMED    GROWTH OF OIL  
COUNTRY                 PER CAPITA       IMPORTS (%)  

United States               1,272            7.2  
Canada                        947          -62.1  
Australia                     741          -25.0  
Switzerland                   531            2.0  
Sweden                        515           -8.3  
New Zealand                   485           -4.4  
Germany                       456            1.3  
Netherlands                   437            2.4  
Norway                        433          -20.9  
United Kingdom                421           -7.3  
Finland                       417            0.6  
Austria                       344            0.7  
France                        344           -0.7  
Belgium                       296            1.1  
Denmark                       294           -9.0  
Japan                         254            1.4  
Ireland                       236           -1.5  
Italy                         229           -1.0  
Spain                         195            1.4  

Sources: United Nations, Energy Statistics Yearbook 1989 (New York: United  
Nations, 1991), pp. 194-207. World Competativeness Report 1991, published  
by IMD International, Lausanne, Switzerland, and World Economic Forum,  
Geneva, Switzerland, p. 287.  

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_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New    
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro.   

New York, May 1992, Vintage Books, a division of Random House.   
$10 paperback. ISBN 0-679-73893-2  
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    "America is becoming a land of private greed and public squalor.   
    This book is an indispensable road map through the wreckage. The   
    facts it reveals will startle you. They may depress you. But   
    ideally they'll fire you up to help rebuild this nation."   

                        -Robert B. Reich, author of The Work of Nations   
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: Steve.Crocker@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
Keywords: Blood Libel
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:18:45 GMT

-Steve
(Contact me at aq817@Cleveland.Freenet.edu - not the address in
the header above)



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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:04:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: spssig.adams.715539844
Organization: SPSS Inc.

rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan) writes:

>In article <adams.715381348@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>
>>Define 'white'.  Hmm.  I could have sworn that Semites are Caucasoid.
>>
>>And, given the current usage, since we've seemed to have dropped 'Negro'
>>and 'Caucasoid' for 'Black' and 'White', I didn't make a mistake.
>>
>>Fool.  Go study a bit before you make assumptions that are dead wrong.
>>
>> -Steve

>  I have studied a little bit, and my understanding is that people from
>the southern most part of India (Tamils etc.) are also Caucasoids.  Does
>that mean they are 'white', honourary or otherwise?

Based on the foolish dropping of the more proper "caucasoid" from common
use, this is one of the ramifications.  The absolute stupidity in using
'white' or 'black' to reflect race should be obvious.

That's the problem here!  When someone fills out a form that says 'race'
what the hell does 'white' mean?  Skin color?  It shouldn't.  Skin color
does not a race define.

Just where DOES one count people from India?  Good *(#*$) question.  They
are caucasian.

 -Steve
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