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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:38:16 CST
Reply-To:     BIll Green <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PASSENGER LISTS
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              22, 92 1:21 pm

> 3]  The National Archives also has a microfilm rental program.  It is
> $20.00 to join I believe, and then you pay to rent each film you're
> interested in.  I think it is $2.50 a roll.  The more you order the less
> expensive/roll it is.

The cost to join is $25, which includes all the catalogs and two free
rentals.  Effective 10/15/92, the costs of rentals has increased to:
     1-4 films  $3.25
     5-9 films  $2.75
     10+ films  $2.25


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From: rbv@cypress.com
Subject: Calif placename query
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:57:06 GMT


altcr@microsoft.com (Walt Criteser) writes:


The one item I think someone on the net might be able to help me 
	with is the place of birth.  The part of the scrawl I was able to 
	decipher was California.  On the other hand, the city/town (?) is 
	very difficult to read, but I think one of the words might be 
	Diggings.  Hence, I think grandma May's place of birth is 


		XXXXXX Diggings California.


	Where XXXXXXX is unkown since I cannot read it.  To help establish
	a time frame, her date of birth is calculated to be 31 Oct 1861.  


I recall seeing a Malakoff Diggings State Park, in the Gold Country, possibly
Placer or El Dorado county.  I can't find any mention of Malakoff, or any
Diggings, in my geographical database, but I'll dig through some maps and try
to shake it loose again.


oger
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:36:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Lisa Oberg <lisanne@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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From:         Lisa Oberg <lisanne@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Oregon libraries
Comments: To: Walt Criteser <waltcr@MICROSOFT.COM>
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Walter--

Both Oregon and Oregon State [my alma mater!] have their catalogs available
through the Internet. The Internet addresses are:

School:         System:                 Address:
Oregon          JANUS                   janus.uoregon.edu
Oregon State    OASIS                   oasis.kerr.orst.edu
                                        login as oasis
Both systems ask you to indicate the terminal type you are emulating, with
VT100 being the most common.

For those interested the University of Washington's online catalog is also
available:

U. of Wash.     GEAC                    uwcat.lib.washington.edu

As far as Multnomah County is concerned, I am not aware of them having a
separate catalog on the NET.  If you are seriously interested in searching
their catalog you could get a password on WLN [Western Library Network],
which also includes Seattle Public the largest genealogical collection in
WA state.  WLN is a database of mostly public and Higher Ed libraries in
OR, WA, ID, MT and AK.  Connect time is $15.00/hour.  The Internet address
for WLN is wln.com.  First time users can request a password
electronically.  So, if you're interested you can login and request the
information be sent to you.

Lisa Oberg
lisanne@u.washington.edu

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992, Walt Criteser wrote:

> Do any Oregon libraries have their card catalogs on the internet?
> I am particularly interested in the Multnomah County Libary,
> Oregon State University, and the University of Oregon libraries.
>
> A system like MELVYL would be great, but my expectations are not that
> high.
>
> Thanks
> Walt Criteser
> waltcr@microsoft.com
From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Sutro Library Information?
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:22:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/30.0 - Roots(SF!), San Francisco CA

The Sutro Library is located right next to the campus of San Francisco State University. It is an official library of the State of California and specializes in genealogy. One could rightly refer to it as California's genealogical library. I dont know exactly the size of its holdings but they are significant.
 
In the San Francisco Bay area it ranks right up there with the branch of the National Archives as -the- place to go for genealogy research.
I live but 3 blocks away but because of budget cuts its never open when Im not at work. Like living right next to the cady store and being one penny less each allowance day!



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Reply-To:     jackie kinder <ILIBP02@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
From:         jackie kinder <ILIBP02@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ROANOKE and southwestern VA flood of 1749

I am seeking information about the 1749 flood in Salem, Virginia.  I am
specifically interested in the exact location, circumstances, people living in
the vicinity.  Please respond to me directly as I do not subscribe to this list
My e-mail address is ILIBP02 at UNIVSCVM.  Thanks.
From: cmackay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Carol MacKay)
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Subject: New Orleans Directory
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 11:22:46 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Would someone with access to a New Orleans Telephone directory look up 
two surnames for me?  I am looking for MONET and HAFERTEPE.  Also, can 
anyone suggest a place I can write, other than the Public library in New 
Orleans, to obtain City directory info for 1850's+?  The Library 
apparently will not photocopy pages or provide reference assistance 
through correspondence.
Much appreciated...

Carol MacKay              cmackay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: joan@stein.u.washington.edu (Joan Bishop)
Subject: Holland
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:11:59 GMT

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From: richard@crowded-house.den.mmc.com (Richard Armstrong)
Subject: Re: PAF on Mac versus DOS: Help.
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:30:04 GMT

I would imagine that it is MUCH cheaper to change software than to change
hardware... Right?

If my software didn't do what I needed it to do, the farthest thing from my
mind would be to throw out my computer...

If PAF is ever ported to ms-windows, then you will have every feature that
the mac will have -- provided that PAF developers make the effort to keep
MAC versions and Windows versions the same.  Not being a PAF user myself, I
cannot tell you if PAF runs under windows... Try requesting it.

As for raw features, they should be pretty close -- as long as the developers
attempt to keep the features close.  And if they are not, then the features 
should be close soon.  So it is not logical to throw-out that computer just
because the MAC version has more features... Just hang in there, and let
the developers know what you would like to see happen.


-- 
My company never said any of this... I didn't either.
Richard Armstrong, Software Engineer, Martin Marietta
Email->>>> richard@crowded-house.den.mmc.com <<<<-Email 

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Reply-To:     Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
From:         Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mac PAF version?

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:32:22 GMT Arto Kujala said:
>I would like to order Mac PAF.
>Could somebody tell address/fax number (in USA) ?
>The local mormon genealogy centre here in Helsinki tried to sell me the
>msdos version.
>
Arto

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Family History Department
Ancestral File Operations Unit
50 East North Temple Street
Salt Lake City, Utah 84150

PAF telephone (801) 240-2584

Dick

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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Sutro Library Information?
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:48:35 GMT

In article <92321.27034.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>I've seen references to the Sutro Library on this board off and on for
>some time. I've seen very detailed information about lots of other
>sources/references, but not for this library. I've gleaned that it is
>in San Francisco and (as my son is a student at SFSU) gather that it is
>on or near that campus.
>
>Could some kind soul enlighten me (and anyone else interested) as to
>what makes this library special (size, lots of genealogy material, ?).

Sutro Library is the genealogical collection of the California State
Library.  I haven't been there, but it's supposed to be huge, and
every time I look up some obscure title on MELVYL, it turns out to be
at Sutro.  It's off 19th behind the big shopping mall.  I don't have
the address, but I was told to take the turn off 19th at the middle of
the mall and go UNDERNEATH it (there's an underpass) and turn right.
Unfortunately for me, it is open only weekdays during business hours
(I think 10-5, but you should call ahead).  Ask your son to report
back to the net if he checks it out.

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From: aet@ucs.usl.edu (Towster Alicia E.)
Subject: "marker" names
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:42:23 GMT

I am interested in your comments on what I call "marker names" -- 
since I don't know of any other term for this phenomenon. (Does 
anyone else out there?)

By "marker name" I mean a name which (1) a family favors as an 
appropriate name for several generations of children and which (2) 
is sufficiently unusual that to come across a person of this name 
quickly produces the hypothesis that s/he is a relative. (Some 
marker names are *so* unusual that this hypothesis springs to mind 
regardless of the surname; others may only take on significance in 
combination with particular family names.)

I have found marker names particularly helpful in tracing families 
whose surnames are too common to easily identify relatives. For 
example, my Jones family became possible to trace only after I 
realized that the given name Mosias was a useful clue. More than 
useful, for *every* Mosias, regardless of surname, in any American 
record I have so far located, is descended from a Mosias Jones, the 
earliest I have found, who seems to have died in a shipwreck in late 
1720 or early 1721. (Have an American Mosias in your tree? I'd like 
to hear from you.)

Whether a name is unusual or not may depend on when and where it 
was used. Mosias may not be a marker name in pre-1700 Wales for 
example. (Does anyone out there know?) Sometimes I come across 
names which look like they might have marker potential, only to find 
they were common at one time and have simply gone out of style. For 
example, Permelia, which I have now found in too many contexts to 
believe it is unusual or significant. Does anyone know of any studies 
of the frequency of given names in past times and places? This could 
be a help in deciding whether you are looking at a clue or a passing 
style. 

The greatest hindrance in making good use of marker names is that 
no one seems to realize that it can be useful. Book indexes and 
computer databases are only made to work with surnames. How 
helpful it could be to be able to answer questions like:

- how many females named Sidney are found in Virginia records 
prior to 1800?
- which families in Kentucky or Missouri 1800-1860 included a male 
named Chatham?

or simply:
-Display everyone in the database named Mosias.

If there is some way to search the computerized IGI for *first* 
name, matching on *any* last name, please tell me! I will be so 
delighted!

Alicia Towster
towster@usl.edu

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Reply-To:     rvg <rvg@CSEE.LEHIGH.EDU>
From:         rvg <rvg@CSEE.LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      Gen. Info
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Send info about genealogy at your site
Leo Keller  at   rvg@lion.eecs.lehigh.edu
Best wishes,  Leo
From: ci230@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael L. Reece)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Reece/Copeland
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:24:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'm just starting out mapping my Family Tree and have found the just
starting articles Very interesting.  Thanks.  I'm looking for any
information I can get on the Family names Reece and Copeland.  These
are from IN and IL respectively but any info would be appreciated.  I
also have a Southern Indiana root of name Meyers.  Any
help or suggestions on gathering info would be appreciated!


Thanks


Please Email to mlr@cadnet.micro.honeywell.com

Mike Reece

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Reply-To:     "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>
From:         "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>
Subject:      Land grant volume
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Several people asked for the title of the volume on land grants so I
looked it up.

Author: Clifford Neal Smith
Title:  Federal Land Grant Series,
        Calendar of Archival Material on Land Patents

Library of Congress call #: KF5675.A7 S6
Published  by America Library Association. 1982

5 volumes covering mainly Ohio and some Kentucky areas post Rev War.
Many,many names and areas.  Enjoy!

Chris Darby
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:25:59 -0500
Reply-To:     "Adele E. Corbin" <usr12195@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Adele E. Corbin" <usr12195@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Ward/Hopkins,London,1615
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.EDU

George Ward and Margaret Hopkins were married in 1615 at St. Martin's,
All Hallows the Less, London, England. Margaret was the daughter of
Richard Hopkins and Richard was the son of Robert Hopkins. Is anyone
else researching this family? Adele.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:08:33 -0500
Reply-To:     "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>
From:         "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>
Subject:      Land grants
Comments: To: Roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

People who served in the Revolutionary War were given land grants, I
imagine in part to open up and populate the frontier.  Does anyone know of
a book which covers this subject well. And/or does anyone know if a soldier
didn't use the land, could it be given to or claimed by children?  Could
these grants be divided among children.  There's a great record of
Virginia grantees for Ohio lands, but I've not seen anything similar on
New York. Does anyone know how I could find out about land grants in NY?


Thanks



Chris Darby
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From: tmclain@sun-valley.Stanford.EDU (Tim McLain)
Subject: pedigree chart hard copy
Organization: stanford
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:43:29 GMT


Does anyone know of any software that will allow printing or plotting of pedigree
charts or descendency charts on large pieces of paper (D-size, E-size drawing).
I think it would be great to be able to see "the big picture" without having to 
shuffle between sheets.  Also it would be nice for displaying.  Would such a 
capability be useful to others, or am I the only one who thinks this way?

Tim
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:26:48 -0500
Reply-To:     FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
From:         FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
Subject:      Graveyard, Western New York
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi all -

For those of you who are expecting mail or replies from me, please be patient.
I've gotten rather behind in life in general lately and it may take some time.
Don't worry, I've not forgotten you!

Meanwhile, I found a list of names from an extremely small backroads cemetary
in Youngstown, New York, which is right at the junction of the Niagara River
and Lake Ontario.

Some of the names are Olds, Powley, Weston, Moss, Whitney, Cooke, Decater,
Rogers and Mcbrien.  This was a very old cemetary and I only have one person
listed for most of the names...

If any of you are searching this area and perhaps couldn't discover where your
ancestor was buried, contact me.  I only have the inscriptions from the head-
stones-no additional information.  But I can tell you where to find it.

I don't know if this is the usual type of post we put out on Roots-L, but I
thought I might give it a try.  I usually don't keep this information.

Regards,

Karen  FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:23:45 EST
Reply-To:     George <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
From:         George <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: probate records
              20 Nov 1992 10:22:21 EDT from <JOEL@DELPHINUS.LIB. UMB.EDU>

I once asked a clerk at the Prince George's MD court house
how much it would cost to get a copy of a will from microfilm.
The will was from the 1600's and the handwriting very difficult
to read. She said $1.00 (this was 1968 I should mention).

A few days later, I received a very nice copy of the will:
transcribed and typed. Can't beat that old-time service!

Recently I was at the Otsego Co NY court house and asked how
how much it would cost for me to slap a piece of paper (from
a probate file) onto the photocopier and hit the print button
(and that I didn't need the paper certified). Answer: $4.00

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:18:00 EST
Reply-To:     Don.Thackrey@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
From:         Don.Thackrey@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      KEIM FAMILY
Comments: To: roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

I would like to hear from anyone doing research on the KEIM
family in America.  I have been compiling information from
many sources and have much to share--but also many gaps and
questions.

Most of the Keims in America appear to have descended from JOHANNES
KEIM, who settled in the Oley valley (Berks Co.) of Pennsylvania
in 1709.
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Subject: On line census info in UK?
From: CS19241170X@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (STENT, AARAN)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:13:00 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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Are the UK's census records available on line???  If not maybe someone could
help with any other information availbale over the net that may help to save
paying researchers .... 
			        Thanks
				Aaran Stent
				fox@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:11:44 -0600
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From:         Brian Madsen <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
Subject:      "Great Dukedom Europe"?
Comments: To: Roots Genealogy Mailing List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Anybody have any thoughts on what the phrase "Great Dukedom Europe"
might refer to?

It's the birthplace of a Wisconsin marriage record, dated 1901.
The bride's birthplace is simply "Europe" (although I happen to
know that it's Germany/Poland), and the groom's is listed as
"Great Dukedom Europe".  His surname is Lasecki, if that helps.

Any thoughts?

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Reply-To:     "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Drouin
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.EDU

In order to request inter-library copies out of Drouin our library apparen-
tly needs the exact title of the book.  To my shame I'm so used to refer to
it as "Drouin" only that I cannot come up with it!  Would somebody be so
kind as to send it to me if they have that information?
Thanks,
Helmut
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:21:54 CST
Reply-To:     Betty Vinski <BV5731@ETSUADMN.BITNET>
From:         Betty Vinski <BV5731@ETSUADMN.BITNET>
Subject:      Arkansas Census Index

So, now I know -- there are no indexes for 1900 and 1910.  Sorry.
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From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: Vietnam Memorial (was Vietnam Moratorium)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:19:25 GMT

>It's hardly fair, though, to say that "the statue interests few."  The
>statue is moving in its way, too.  

I agree. I always ponder the statue for a few minutes when I go there.
I like it a lot. It just doesn't have the scope or the magnitude of the
wall. When I'm there I spent most of my time walking along the wall. I
guess most people do. That doesn't take anything away from the statue.

-Mike
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