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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re:  Zorro III cards?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:48:51 GMT

In article <doiron.09b3@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:

>>>There are Zorro III cards available?  What are they?
>> o Ameristar 1600GX
>> o DMI Vivid 24

[..]

>PP&S ProRAM 3000
>PP&S Rambrandt

Unfortunately, I'm quite certain that the Rambrandt is Zorro II, as PP&S
indicated its A2000/2500 compatibility in the AW Graphics Issue. As Zorro III
becomes more of an LCD however, I'm sure the number of cards for this format
will increase dramatically. For most activities which are not graphics/CPU
intensive, Zorro II is sufficient. 

Mark

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From: ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Slu Aspiks)
Subject: Re: Nolan Bushnell, CDTV, and The Discovery Channel
Organization: Botswana Chimpanzee Speech Research Center
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.190130.8308@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.195009.18001@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>>In article <3295@creatures.cs.vt.edu> lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson) writes:
>>>"Invention" which airs at 9:00 pm Eastern Time on Tuesday nights had a segment
>>>on Nolan Bushnell tonight.  They gave a brief background, including PONG and
>>>Chuck E. Cheese, and went on to talk about CDTV.  Yes, it was mentioned by
>>>name, and the C= logo on the exhibit booth was prominently displayed.  C=
>>>was presented as the manufacturer of Bushnell's idea.  CDTV motion video was
>>>displayed, but I wasn't all that impressed.
>>
>>This is very good news to tell Amiga people!  Nolan Bushness is Atari 
>>founder and Jack Tramiel is Commodore founder so there is very good
>>history at Commodore (BEFORE Irving).  Now Amiga users know Atari
>>engineer Jay Miner making AMAZING Amiga chips.
>
>And .advocacy readers know Jeff Young is a complete idiot.

HIM no IDIOT!  YOU stupid AMIGA OWNER!  What know you Jeff be?   Him
talk good, say good ATARI thing and ME LIKE HIM more than ME LIKE YOU!
YOU be stupid TKKC member, you not know NOTHING and are stupid AMIGA
people FOLLOWER of COMMODORE with no TRAMIEL!

>>Millions of Amiga users now know TRUE history of Commodore/Amiga/Atari
>>so they know Atari Falcon will be good for them and family.
>
>And it would be good for you to get a life, get a clue, and get yourself to
>a speech therapist as soon as possible.

YOU are just stupid DUMB REDNECK!  GO HOME AND DRINK YOU BEER!

>You are the most moronic bozo that has come along in quite some time.  It
>should be illegal for sub-humans such as yourself to post to the net.

IT be SAD day if DUMBO like you be get way.  YOU stupid DODO HEAD!  You
play STUPID Amiga game but WORLD play ATARI LYNX!  ATARI LYNX with 040
and 1024x1024 23 MILLION COLOR display and 57 channel TRI-PHONIC sound
will CRUSH YOU!

>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

YOU have stupid DUMB REDNECK HILLBILLY NAME.  You be TACKY!

SLU ASPIKS



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From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: High Density drive for the Amiga???
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:33:41 GMT


Some vendors already state that they support the CBM high-density floppy.
Kind of a hint IMHO. Another "hint" re AA modes,
AdPro supports output modes of 64, 128, 256 colours, you just get a
message "Your Amiga does not support these modes" when you try them, they're
NOT Ham-E etc.. modes either. Also there is a HAM8 mode. Assuming HAM uses
4 bits and 2 control bits = 6 bits, it would be a good hint that the new
HAM modes will probably use 6 + 2, (or 4 + 4?)...

Anyways, 8 days and we'll know  :-)
								- JIM CAD*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
From: matthewd@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Matthew Davidian)
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:03:21 PDT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

In article <1992Aug30.194513.12500@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   This works well on paper, but not in reality.  Consider for instance the
>situation with Amiga CD-ROM drives.  If Commodore is going to bring out
>CD-ROM drives for every Amiga, they will have to bring out FOUR different
>models: one for the A500, one for the A600, one for A2500 & A2000HD & A3000
>systems (with SCSI interfaces), and one for the new systems with IDE 
>interfaces.  

I may be wrong, but I've never heard of a CD ROM drive with a IDE interface
on PC compatibles.  They are either SCSI or some custom controller board.
The logical thing for C= to do is bundle a SCSI controller with the CDROM
for the alleged machines that have the IDE interface.  In any case, they'll
have to come out with several models anyway--a CD ROM won't fit in a A3000,
but will in a 2000 or 3000T.  I think the only real difference will need to
be in the packaging anyway, since the A570 (or whatever it is) already uses
a SCSI interface.  I wouldn't hold my breath for a A600 CD ROM though...

Matt Davidian
matthewd@csufres.csufresno.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:29:14 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep2.214358.5038@newshost.unh.edu> by ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene):

> >: >> million colors - at a "reasonable price". 
> >: >
> >: >    The _present_ offers that for the Amiga.

> 	True, but the original poster wanted one at a reasonable price.  How
>    much is the GVP EGS?

    A "reasonable" price depends on what you need the product for. It
    is a foolish parameter to add, and I think the original poster
    knew that when he put "reasonable price" in quotes.

> 							G.Greene
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dsaban@cs1.uct.ac.za (D SABAN)
Subject: Scheme
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:57:46 GMT

Is there a version of Scheme for the amiga.  If there is not, there should 
be!  It a very good language to use to introduce the basic concepts of 
program design to beginners.

It also great for AI - something the multitasking computer should be able 
happy to accomodate.

Dan Saban
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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: What I would expect in a clone these days...
Keywords: Wishful thinking
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:18:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

I mentioned the Tandy Sensation in an earlier post for a good reason.
It is the first attempt to truly raise the standard of pc's from
a patchwork quilt of add-on cards into a fully integrated system.
For a first attempt, it wasn't that bad. The exception I noted was
the slow 486 (25MHz) and only 3 16 bit slots. You would have thought
32 bits slots at the minimum. People knocked this machine without
looking at it from my perspective. What I see is the eventual
perhaps inevitable path all Intel-based machines will travel. 
For a first attempt, this system matches the fabled Jaguar's specs
almost exactly, except it adds a CD-ROM.

If I were an Intel-fan(atic?), I think this is the direction I'd
like to see things go. Integrated sound, built-in midi, built-in
CD-ROM, all already configured and ready to run with the latest OS.

But this computer most likely could be improved in a number of ways,
most of which will be suggested here in the form of a flame. 

Skip's idea about a library of faces is about the only idea I've
seen brought forward from this group since I began reading this 
sewage producer and general rumor mill. I'll put forth my idea,
which is even simpler. An Amiga/Mac/Clone FAQ fact file and
reference sheet. Perhaps if everyone took the time to read it,
we could push on in the direction of new ideas, rather than flame
each other over the speed it takes to do a floating point 
calculation. A history timeline would clue many people into what
was done first and when and by whom...

                                       Thorne Kontos
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:12:53 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
: AHA! I'm not talking about frameMaker - (which, BTW is EXCELLENT!), and I'm
: not talking about Calamus 1.09n, I'm talking about SL - and it DOES beat
: Quark, hands down!

I was referring in my original post to professional systems:  Which
Calamus SL obviously doesn't compare to (You'll have to excuse me when
I say "Calamus", I do mean "Calamus SL".  It's just shorter.)  Also, a
DTP package alone is not enough to do these days to do DTP, that's why
the Mac does so well.  There is more clip-art than you can shake a
stick at, very good structured drawing programs, and fonts up the
wazoo available.

: The only concern i have for PCMCIA is for the adaptor for the Portfolio.
: I'm talking function - not cross-platform.

Functionally, it has more potential.

Functionally, it has a bigger market share than the Falcon may have
for a long time.

Functionally, it's got more support than Atari or C= can shake a stick
at.

Functionally, it's better than a connector with motherboard signals.

Greg

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From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Missing Movie
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 08:58:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <65181@cup.portal.com>

A NET PARASITE has obviously devoured movie choice "B" in my previous
post.  It should have read:
	
B.   "ESCAPE FROM BLOCKEDBOWELS"
    [The year is 3095.  BLOCKY swallows Air Force One while
    feeeding on triffids and Kurt Russell saves everyone by
     blasting his way through an impacted large intestine.]

Gleeep
Bureau of Corrections
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From: e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Industry News
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:57:13 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

In article <1992Aug29.213758.20767@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.183204.25177@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>>
>>
>
>You not telling REST OF THE STORY! Atari spending more for ads around     
>the world and R&D delivering Falcon 030, Falcon 040 and Jaguar 32+32!
>
  
Falcon -040 ???? Tell us more...( but still, Amiga RULES!)

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: MicroSoft famous?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:08:30 GMT

In article <James_Coulter.03xg@panam.wimsey.bc.ca> James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (James Coulter) writes:
>In a message dated Fri 28 Aug 92 22:13, Abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (kelvin Leu
>wrote:
>
> AL> Yours Sincerely,
> AL> Kelvin (whose Alma Mater invented BASIC--which makes Microsoft
> AL> famous).
>
>The 640k barrier made Microsoft famous...

Come ON people!  Yeah, we all know DOS is old, and that age is what
makes DOS the dominant OS in computers today.  Until Windows or OS/2
becomes dominant, we'll (PC/DOS users) all have to live with the tens of
thousands of 640K-limited DOS applications available for use.  Really,
pointing out that DOS has a 640K limited _for executables_ is as old
as pointing out that the Amiga doesn't get advertised.  OK?

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:08:57 GMT

In article <64812@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:

>|JPEG is by far the standard! It's as small as you can get, it's 24-bit, and
>|it's made for digitizing thousand color+ images like a human face.
>
>Sheesh.  Like _any_ Amiga can display 24-bits-deep images?
>
>Go ahead, send your 640x480x24 (921 KiloBytes) pictures to Skip and see how
>far it gets across the net.


What?  Only 640x480 :)?  JPEG would crush that down to probably around
50-100K with no noticeable degradation.

The nice thing about a 24-bit image is that you can then quantize and
dither it down to match the characteristics of your display device
(HAM, VGA, Hicolor etc.), usually with very good results.

Paul
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:49:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.053513.23237@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
>: GUI with documentation................what a joke.
>
>Everything has documentation.  Everything from the OS, to the
>programmer's documentation, to the commands for the WorkBench and
>Shells.
>
>Of course, if you've got an Amiga, hypertext is becoming the standard
>form of documentation through AmigaGuide.  Not that I'd imagine you
>know what that is, most people don't -- yet.

   This is one of the many problems with the Amiga: no consolidation.  On
the Mac systems, there is one program that has hypermedia, multimedia, and
full authoring-system capabilities in one package: HyperCard.  On the Amiga,
you have to string together several different programs in a loose collections,
using ARexx.  The worst thing about this is that it makes it very difficult
to put together presentations that will run on just about any Amiga system.
Even if the user happened to have all the software used to make the 
presentation, the paths to the necessary files are probably wrong (and the
Amiga OS does not have any facilities to go looking for files that are not
found on a specified path).

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From: ahansfor@hikita.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<kkrebs.0146@amilink.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:51:01 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 03:33:48 PST, kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs) said:

kkrebs> Seriously though, I don't think it would be an IDE interface
kkrebs> since Dave Haynie is always stating that IDE is inferior to
kkrebs> SCSI.  It'd be a shame to plop an IDE on a super fast 32 bit
kkrebs> machine.  It just doesn't seem logical.

kkrebs> If it's true, then it has to be because it's cheap.


Cheap to make and to sell.  Most people will hardly notice the
difference.  Hate to see that work on the 3000 SCSI go to waste, but
everyone is complaining about the pricing.  Mr. Haynie is stating his
experience with the interfaces and what is technically true.  The IDE may
not be a technical decision.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:42:49 PST
 <1992Aug8.114151.3315@desire.wright.edu> 
 <1992Aug8.234743.6187@newshost.unh.edu> <al158305.714008749@academ01> <joe.715241690@milton>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <joe.715241690@milton> by amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend):

> 3.1 has improved considerably, the 32 bit version will be supperb... I do
> miss the Amiga's multi-screen capability, something easy to add to any desktop

    ...

> 	I should speak about hardware - the Amiga is getting thrashed now,
> I suspect in a year there won't be much to say about the Amiga in terms of

    ...

> at 800x600 (all with built-in windows acelleration for >$200)... the future
>  promises a 1280x1024 card that does 256 colors at that res, 1024x768 with 16
>  million colors - at a "reasonable price". 

    The _present_ offers that for the Amiga.

> 	So we've covered the additional hardware end of things - and

    And come up with bogus rubbish. MODs, the highest form of micro
    music I've ever come across, play perfectly well on the Amiga with
    minimal system impact while playing.

> 	Demos - demos on a PC? yes.. more Amiga-ites have bought PCs
> in Europe and are creating demos very close to what the Amiga can do, some
> even are better. Once the PC gets its video bus standard (local bus),

    Geez, what a pack of blatant lies.

> 						Joe Anon
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Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:32:00 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Aug31.064154.3811@desire.wright.edu>, fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.180801.25667@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>> 
>> and other such "last resorts".  Do you actually think that VM was invented
>> for DOS?  Yes, accessing disk is slower than accessing RAM chips, but it's
>
>	The first VM implementation that I'm aware of is VMS on VAX. 
>	I have never researched the history of VM.  Perhaps you have.
>	Care to share?
>
>	One interesting thing I read (can remember where, but not here!)
>	was that the PDP11  had segmented memory.  From the article I
>	got the impression that the early Intel chips were sorts of
>	'clones' of a PDP11 architecture and the PDP11 was largely
>	considered a failure in computer evolution.

    Well, actually if you want to go on two different tangents here, the 
Motorola 68000 more closely followed the internal architecture of the PDP11
than the Intel counterparts of late.  The difference is the 68000 utilized
a flat linear memory model, while Intel utilized the segmented memory
architecture which the PDP11 employed.  Now, what does this mean in terms
of current processor architecture?  Not a lot really...

>
>> a lot better than having the machine hang or crash in an out-of-memory
>> condition.
>
>	Well, I agree with you.  I just don't see a VM or nothing at all
>	urgency.

It depends on what you are doing.  For some applications, VM is a very
desirable feature, for others it is a waste of resources.  On a typical
single-user microcomputer system today, with RAM being fairly inexpensive
the benefits of VM are a little more hazy than with a multiuser platform
where VM is going to provide better capability at lower cost.  As for an
out of memory situation as mentioned above, a properly designed, fairly
bug-free OS should not hang or crash the system when out of memory.

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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.165003.13261@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.155707.18400@news.uit.no> borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:
>>leaking information left, right, and middle. I therefore claim to know that
>>C= has had it's commercial developers on a trip to somewhere in the USA
>>(don't remember where) where they have been able to test their software on
>
>	San Francisco, I believe.  
>There WILL be AA chipset machines, the question is: How much of the rumors
>are true and what the price will be, if it's anything like the 040T's price
>they might as well not release them, as far as most Amiga users I've talked to
>are concerned.


	How about some guesses from the advocasy folks. It looks like some
of us know everything :-) My predictions are ...
	A card for the A3000 utilising the video slot and a zorro III
That will contain the AA chip set anroom for 8 megs of "CHIP" ram.
Or possibly 6 megs if the two on board are counted.
	A floptical drive will be anounced, and support by sys software.
	Support for system software to run on cards like DMI.
	(I just can't beleave they went ahead and made DMI just for iff
viewing)
	New CDTV ... Hmmmm
	CDROM for all ? Hmmm Why do I think this will be pushed further
down the track. A600 drop in price ... dramatic
	32 bit machines on the house all round.
	Such are my guesses.
		Now it's the turn for some other ... dreamer ? :-)
			George