From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Is it Christian values or chavinism?
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:00:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <nyikos.717897446@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:

>In <usglkrx.717686544@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> usglkrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Lori K. Rothman) writes:

>>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:

>>>In <1992Sep25.211600.23804@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>>>><1992Sep18.233054.14674@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) said:
>>>>>From article by iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski):
>>>>>> In article mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
>>>>>> >In nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>>>>> >    <...> the fact that Suzanne
>>>>>> >used the word "crucified" to refer to the justifiable tongue-lashing
>>>>>> >Christ gave those who debased His temple trivializes the agony and
>>>>>> >suffering He underwent in His death and spiritual separation from His
>>>>>> >Father.

>I've already followed up to this post, but since then I realized that
>there are many layers of deception that I haven't addressed before.

>1. The original statement of M. Price, which Storga cunningly deleted,
>had to do with the "white hot flashes" of Jesus, with the comment,
>"Think of those poor Scribes and Pharisees, how they must have suffered."
>[This I did comment on before, along with the fact that Suzanne's 
>rejoinder, directed at M. Price and NOT Jesus, was "Yeah, he really
>crucified them," putting the "suffering" of the Scribes and Pharisees 
>into perspective.]

    Not my statement, Petie. Try to concentrate.

>NEW BUSINESS:

>2. M. Price cunningly made it seem that the original quote was about
>Jesus driving the money-changers out of the temple.  The scribes and
>pharisees did not "debase" the temple in this way, and I cannot 
>recall any biblical statement that they did debase the temple.

     Well, I'm sorry if I made an assumption about what Lori meant. She
wrote "Scribes and Pharisees," but, as she discussed Jesus' rage,I
assumed that she was referring to the one section of the Bible where he
vents it, i.e., the confrontation with the money-changers and vendors in
the temple (unless you count the cursing of the fig tree, for which I'm
sure He had His reasons). 
"Let every man save his life from the fierce anger of the Lord!"
Jeremiah 45(b)

>>>>Suzanne seems to ignore the castigation of other Christians who take her
>>>>to task for trivializing their god's contributions.  I notice she doesn't
>>>>apologize for it.
>>>Get with it, Gordon!  Don't you see how Ivan has exposed M. Price's 
>>>"castigation" for the hoax that it is?  And I've addressed this
>>>"castigation" myself several times.

>>Well, just to be fair, I asked my aunt what she thought of Suzanne's
>>"joke".  My aunt is 78 years old, goes to church every Sunday, doesn't
>>drink, etc.

>I recommend that you NOT show this follow-up to your aunt until you have
>had a chance to gauge her reaction to my one of yesterday.  Her heart
>might not bear up well under the depths of human hypocrisy which it 
>reveals.

    Ok, I did delete stuff, but certainly not anything which revealed
"the depths of human hypocrisy" (or, frankly, anything that was at all
interesting).

>Peter Nyikos

>QUOTE OF THE DAY:

>"Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and
>utter every kind of evil against you [falsely] because of me.
>...Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
>		----The words of Jesus, spoken during the Sermon on 
>		    the Mount [Matt. 5:11-12]

    I'm afraid your own caveat excludes you.

                                                                 MP