From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Troi's uniform and stuff
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:48:10 GMT


Note: I am posting this for a friend. Direct replies and/or flames to
"chris@picasso.ocis.temple.edu". Thanks. - Chuck

A few random comments:

First about Troi. I forget who posted this originally, so I apologize
for not giving appropriate credit to the person or the source of the info:

> - Blind Date (1982) [This is NOT the 1987 film with Bruce Willis]
>     Plays a hooker, gets killed by taxi driver.
> - Death Wish III (1985)
>     Gets manhandled by bad guys.
> - The Wiked Lady (British, 1983)
>     In bed, later gets whipped by Faye Dunaway.

I just find it significant that in ALL THREE movies she is in a sexually
provocative scene, whether nude, raped by men, or whipped by a woman. The
producers of ST:TNG must have known this when they cast her. 

Does this say something about Marina Sirtis as an actress, or about the
fact that women's roles in films are generally as hookers or victims?
Are all new actresses obliged to play sluts until they get "discovered"?

About Gates Mc Fadden. I read in an article recently that she is 29 years
old. Is this true? If so, she is playing a woman much older than herself,
and convincingly so. I think this was just a typo in the article. Can
anyone confirm or deny this? And would the guy with the nude video guide
look HER up to see what other films SHE has been in?!??!

About the "CHeers Woman" thread in the discussion. WHy do people over
react? When a new and inexperienced person enters the Trek discussion
for the first time and asks an innocent question of the people who are
supposedly "experts", they POUNCE on them and ridicule them and try
to make them feel stupid. Does it really say in the "Charter" that
we are only allowed to discuss things less than four months old? 
That means that all the ST movies except "Undiscovered Country" are
off limits. Actually, ST6-TUD is OFF-limits too, unless you count
the fact that it came out on VIDEO less than 4 months ago.

Kirstie Alley was the best Saavik. I just watched ST6-TUD over Christmas
and realized even more inconsistencies in the Kim Catrall character-
for a Vulcan, she is very emotional and very illogical. I'm sure
it has been covered a million times over in this discussion, but at
the end when she says to Kirk: "even you said yourself that the Klingons
are animals" or something like that, she is quoting something that Kirk
said to Spock in the beginning after the Top Secret briefing when no one
else was present, NOT something she got out of the Captain's log. So how
did she know this? My cousin thinks that Admiral Cartwright who was in 
on the plot might have been spying on them after the meeting, but there
is no evidence of this in the film.

BTW Did anyone mention the fact that Bebe Neuworth was in a TNG episode?

OK Flamers: are you going to nag me about the fact that I spelled 
Kim and Bebe's names wrong? Or that I abbreviated ST6-TUC wrong?
I put this disclaimer here at the end on purpose. I wanted to see
how many of these trigger-happy flamers would wait to read the whole
message before firing off a flame round. So that everyone else on
the net who does take the time to read this last paragraph will know
that whenever one of those other flamers posts anything, you can just
take them with a grain of salt. 

- Chris Mastrangelo  (No fancy closing here...)


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reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
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