HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:58:39 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:02:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.204833.14825@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> Alan
Martin, alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu writes:
>I kind of agree;  Johnson doesn't whine just because his team loses.  He
does,
>however, make a *lot* of noise over situations like this.  For my money,
I
>think he should have kept his comments to the press to the tune of "We
>shouldn't have put ourselves in the position to be beaten by an
unfortunate
>call" (which is the real point anyway), and then bitched to the league in
>private.  But, like I said, he's not really any worse than most coaches.

Check out the BEAUTIFUL reverse-angle of the play they are showing
on "Inside the NFL" .... It was most definitely a fumble (never left his
hand
before it was knocked out as he tried to bring it in). So stop the
incessant whining. You're in the playoffs, aren't you?

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #16 -- DUE SATURDAY!!! (FINAL REPOST)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:37:41 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


Week 16
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Browns blow it. Belechik looks for a new job...
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:19:11 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

Well, after losing to the Oilers with a 14-3 lead with 5 minutes left
(and a 14-10 lead with 2:30 and having the ball) I am ready to predict
that Belechik is going to be fired.

There is no excuse for losing this game....

Bill is also the Offensive Coordinator.

There are two jobs open.

My predictions for head coach: Bo Schembechler
Offensive coordnator: Earl Bruce

Don't laugh yet, it just might happen :/


B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S

GO BROWNS! (Next year I guess :(
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Gannon's problem
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:03:28 GMT

I heard that Rich Gannon claimed that his performance on Sunday
was not his fault, but the coach's fault for taking him out of
two games. I am incredulous at the cockiness of that guy.   
I have deduced what I think Gannon's problem is...  Secondary 
receivers..   I had heard that he had this problem at Delaware 
(that's where he's from right?) and it is becoming more and more 
evident now.

I don't think Gannon has much ability to hit the second guy,
he only sees his primary receiver.  Case in point:

Anthony Carter was wide open several times on Sunday.  Gannon
didn't see him because he didn't look.  The philosophy:  If
the first guy isn't open, I'm gonna run the ball or get sacked.

Another Case in point:  Gannon has had some great games.  Against
Tampa, the Bears, the Bengals.  Why?  Because his primary receivers
were open.  I have seen Rich Gannon thread the needle between
defenses like the best quarterback...to his primary receiver.

This is a talent that can be learned, but he obviously (to me
anyhow) hasn't found it yet.  Gannon needs to chill out and be
reminded that he has a lot to learn about this game.  I have
been converted to a (sigh) Salisbury fan.

			Eric Sybesma

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 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Skins get the break and the game
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:13:54 GMT

Let me sour-grapes for all the 'Poke fans as a disinterested party.

You hate to see a game turned on a questionable call.  It looked to me
like an incomplete pass, but when things get tight, luck comes into
play.  (This is the true lesson of playing kids's sports -- life is
unfair, and you don't always get the right call).

I think the only logic in saying that it wasn't a pass was if he'd
somehow pulled it back on a pump, and it wasn't a pulled back looking
motion-- more a "here it is back in your face" bat down.

It could have been called a safety, with Smith down too.  It would
have been *very* interesting watching the 'Pokes defend against a
winning field-goal with time running down.

Them's the breaks.  Here's to the home field for playoffs: Go Niners!

-dB
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:17:38 GMT

In article <13DEC199223525873@hades.stsci.edu> merrill@hades.stsci.edu (Clark) writes:
>I have a few points I would like to make about the AIKMAN fumble for a

Okay, I am an un-biased Vikings fan who could really care less who
won the game, and this is what I saw..

Aikman pumped, felt pressure, and brought the ball back and had it
knocked out.  I didn't think it was even questionable.  The ball
was fumbled.  Then Aikman went after it, knowing he had fumbled,
and Emmitt picked it up, but then was about to be tackled and it
looked to me that he was at the last second trying to avoid a safety
(did anyone else think this was the case?) and he purposely tried
to fumble the ball out of the end zone, to take the chance that a
Cowboy could come up with it...   That is the way I saw it...

		Just adding another perspective,

				Eric Sybesma


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 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers win at Houston
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:20:23 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



The Pack are back!  This was really a big win for the Packers because it
really establishes them as a team on the rise (yeah yeah we know they beat
the Eagles but since the consensus seems to be "The Eagles always choke 
like this", this was a big win).

Now the details:

First half- The Pack and Houston do it with DEFENSE!  Favre couldn't get
anything done.  Sterling Sharpe was limited to one catch.  The Oilers were
able to drive but were turned back by the Pack defense.  Then, Terell Buckley
forces a Webster Slaughter fumble and a Jacke Harris puts them up 3-0.  The 
Oilers threten again but Carlson is intercepted deep in Packer territory by
Vinnie Clark.

Second half- The Pack get great field position off a 35 yard kick return.
However, they can only get a field goal off the ensuing drive.  Then, Chuck
Cecil intercepts Carlson again and bring the ball back within the Oilers
5.  After 3 plays... another field goal.  Oilers then drive down the field
and a screen to Lo White puts the score at 9-7 Pack.  After the Pack drive
down the field again, they are held to 3 and out at midfield.  However,
the Oilers were off sides during the punt!!!!  On the next play, Favre throws
an INT!!!  The Oilers threaten again BUT Carlson misses a snap and the ball
is recovered by the Packers.

then came... the drive!!  Favre was (in the words of 49er fans) "brutally
precise".  He just chipped away at the Oilers D and a pass to Sharpe in 
the endzone put the score at 16-7.

The Oilers drive down quickly and score again but on the ensuing onside
kick Sanjay "Muscle" Beach recovers for the Pack.

The Packers win their first 5 games in a row since 1966!!!!!

Sterling Sharpe has 94 receptions and is on the way to break Monk's record!

Playoff hopes are still alive.

And the amazing thing is that they did this all today WITHOUT the help
of a running game.  Just error free (1 turnover, 2 or 3 penalties), precise
and accurate football.

Another great game.

satish nair
(ray must) go giants



Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:28092 dc.redskins:264
From: grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Washington/Dallas Matchup
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:54:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu

rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) wrote:
>If the can't beat Dallas, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs
>anyway, and they would loose to them again in the NFC championship if it
>came to that. I think they understand this too.

I disagree with that first statement on the face of it.  Dallas and SF are
arguably playing the best football in the NFL this year, and many would say
all other teams would, most likely, lose to them.  Do we want to cancel the
Wild Card spots & Minnesota's spot?  (Sorry Green Bay fans)

As for a loss on Sunday implying a loss in the NFC championship game to
Dallas, I'll eschew logic and resort to the cliche, "It's hard to beat a
team three times in the same season."

Jon

PS  That aside, Go Skins, Beat Dallas!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: 168689651@cats.ucis.vill.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Playoff Tie Breakers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:37:00 GMT

Can some one please tell me the tie breaker for two teams not in the same division?
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:20:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: FINAL BILLS POST UNTIL PLAYOFFS.. :) :)
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:15:49 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec18.160804.5492@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>	(stuff deleted regarding beating the 9ers)
>  Well, then there is the last game of the season involving the Oilers.
>  Oh, people will say it's in the House of Pain, like that is really going
>  to matter.. *snicker* Let the Bills speak for themselves, above the noise! :)


What noise?  Could you possibly mean the roar of the JETS?

 
>  Beat the Steelers! *laugh* *laugh* *rolling on the floor with laughter*
>-- 
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

-Will
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay TE
Keywords: Ron Hall
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:01:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.202354.11532@ennews.eas.asu.edu> gilmer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (John R. Gilmer) writes:
>Anyone know what happend to Ron Hall, the TE for TB.  Also, who will be 
>replacing him?

Ron partially tore his Medial and will be out for the rest of the
season.  Ron is being replaced in the line-up by rookie Tyji Arm-
strong  who caught an 81-yard TD pass against the Rams after Hall
went down last week.
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:22:34 GMT

In article <24482@galaxy.ucr.edu> walid@ucrstat4.ucr.edu (walid al-sabah) writes:
>From the L.A. Times of Thursday 12/17/92
>
>
>	Overrated? Even though San Francisco  49er Coach George   Seifert
>	has a 54-3 record, including a Super Bowl victory in 1990, former
Let's correct this one now.
        1989     17-2
        1990     15-3
        1991     10-6
        1992     12-2  (and counting ;-))
                 -----
                 54-13
Still, reasonable impressive.
>	running back  Roger  Craig  isn't that impressed  with  Seifert's
>	accomplishments.   "Look  at  him  with the talent he has," Craig
>	told the  San Francisco Chronicle. "Anybody can step in and do  a
>	good  job  in that system. It's not like he created  this big era
>	of what they're [49ers] doing. Bill  Walsh did that a  long  time
>	ago."
What is the average playing expectation in the NFL?  I recall something
like 4.2 years (maybe someone else has better figures).  There are less
than 17 players that were on the 1988 SB champion still playing for SF in
1992.  Another thing I heard was that Craig, after being put on plan B
by the Raiders last year, investigated coming back to the 49ers.
The 49ers were not interested.  Can anyone verify this rumor?
>
From: rorry@cs.umd.edu (Ningda Rorry Li)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Houston Oilers Wk15
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:43:27 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM
Houston Oilers (8-6)

NEXT OPPONENT
Cleveland

GAME SUMMARY

           Green Bay  Houston*
Pts        16         14
Rushing    24-61      18-59
Pass Att   19-30-1    25-36-2
Pass Yds   154        328
Fum Lost   0          2
Poss       33:53      26:07

PASSING
Carlson    25-36-2-330 

RUSHING
White      15-54 1T
Carlson    3-5 1T

RECEIVING
Duncan     6-100
White      6-78
Slaughter  5-74
Jeffires   5-48
Givins     3-30

KICKING
Del Greco  2X 

SACKS
Childress  1
A.Smith    1
Fuller     1/2
Williams   1/2

INTERCEPTIONS
Gray       1

INJURIES
(none)
            
GAME SUMMARY
The offense looked bad, had 2 INTs and lost 2 fumbles, which led to 13 
Packers points. The defense played well, held Packers to 215 total yards.

NEWS ITEMS
-- The defense ranked No. 1 in the AFC last week.

OTHER NOTES 
*= Home Team
P= Touchdown Pass Thrown
T= Touchdowns Scored
F= Field Goal Scored (number in parens is distance)
X= Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions,attempts,interceptions, TD passes

This posting follows the proposed format of the NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT.
Contact Jason Parker - jason@cray.com to sign-up and enter your
favorite team.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Packer playoff hopes (revisited)
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:23:31 GMT

In article <92349.145208RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Thanks, Packers, though for giving us the AFC central division title.
>There's always hope for wild card for you.  Sorry us Steelers fans can't help
>you out.

What's this sorry business.  You owe!  We gave you the AFC Central, the least
you can do is give us a shot at the NFC Central!

Sorry...my patooty!  Get your act together and WHUP those damn scandanavians!

- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: FINAL BILLS POST UNTIL PLAYOFFS.. :) :)
Originator: delarocq@c00066-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:08:04 GMT




  Anyway, the Saints fans by this time are sitting back, and enjoying their
  comfortable little "N.O. by 3" over the Bills.. Well, every game that the
  Bills have been underdogs this year, they have won. So, why post a bunch of
  stuff like "Bills shall pummel the Aints" and "N.O. is N.O.thing" when all
  I have to say is:

  Beat the 49ers! *laugh* *laugh* *rolling on the floor with laughter*

  Well, then there is the last game of the season involving the Oilers.
  Oh, people will say it's in the House of Pain, like that is really going
  to matter.. *snicker* Let the Bills speak for themselves, above the noise! :)

  Beat the Steelers! *laugh* *laugh* *rolling on the floor with laughter*


  
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1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Squished the Fish .. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION THAT TOOK THE BET II.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:22:54 GMT

In article <102597@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
>Now, regarding getting home field advantage, there is one possibility as one
>of the guys on the net suggested a PLANE CRASH...
>NOPE no playoff games at RFK this year. 
As long as there somebody is seeded lower than you are, you have a chance of
a home playoff game.

Scenario:

seedings
   1       SF
   2       Dallas
   3       Minnesota
   4       New Orleans
   5       Washington
   6       Philly

Wildcard: Philly beat Minn, Washington beat NO
divisional: Philly beat SF, Washington beat Dallas

Bingo, NFC championship game at RFK!!!

Is the above scenario rarer than a plane crash?

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                                          Edward Lor
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:19:20 GMT
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman

In article <13DEC199223525873@hades.stsci.edu> merrill@hades.stsci.edu (Clark) writes:
>I thought that  Dallas  outplayed the Redskins except for the four
>turnovers!  Turnovers can make easily turn a  win into a loss.  That is what
>killed the Redskins against the Cards.
Turnovers are part of the game, the MOST DAMAGING PART. So you can't
say that "Dallas outplayed the Skins except the turnovers". 
It's more appropriate to say that "The Skins vastly outplayed Dallas except
the meaningless yards".

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                                          Edward Lor
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