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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Narcissus/Narcissist...
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:15:20 GMT

Since it's being discussed here, FYI the Observer that came in the
mail today (2/1 issue) has yet another explanation of the "name
change" for Luger (remember, we thought we just "heard" it wrong or
something)...

Apparently Luger didn't like changing his name to Narcissus, which
was the original plan, so at the last minute they changed it to
Lex Luger, the Narcissist.

Oh, well..................

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================

Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Wrestling Insiders - 01/23/93
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:08:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Here are a few things from last night's Wrestling Insiders radio show.

Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) suffered a knee injury that has forced him to
miss some house shows.  He will still meet Hart at the Royal Rumble,
but don't expect him to be 100%.

Ric Flair has signed a three-year guaranteed contract with WCW.  As
already reported here, he will lose his Monday Night Raw matchup.  It
was described as being a 20-minute match, ending with Perfect pinning
him with the perfect plex (TM).  Perfect also juices.

Davey Boy Smith has also signed his contract with WCW.

ESPN has cancelled the GWF show.  It looks like they are getting out
of wrestling for now as it will be replaced by a sports trivia show.

The WWF has taped a week-long series of Family Feud shows to air in
February.  It will feature a heel/face matchup.  The only names I
specifically remember are Crush, Papa Shango, and Tatanka.

Harvey Wippleman's 'big bomb' is definitely El Gigante.  No word yet
on exactly when he'll be coming in or what name he will use.  

Yokozuna's big push starts soon when he destroys Hacksaw Jim Duggan
in what amounts to Duggan's last WWF match.  He is still expected to
win the Royal Rumble.

Tatanka will be Sean Michaels next opponent.

That's all of any importance.  I know some of this stuff has appeared
here before; I'm just trying to be complete.

-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
From: au414@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: FWF matches
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:17:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am still archiving FWF matches, as they haven't come at a fast
enough pace to put enough of a drain on my time.  The problem is,
all the matches, not to mention the previous requests, are
currently sitting on floppy disks.  I have all the matches, near
as I can tell, and most all of the accessory files (history,
rankings, etc.).

As I posted at the end of last year, I currently don't have very
stable access to the net, and if anyone would like to get ahold
of me, your best bet is via snail mail or a phone call.  I can
probably dig up the older files for anyone who wants to send me
a floppy and return postage (though they are in Macintosh format
currently, and I may need some time to convert them to another
format).

Let me know if interested.  My address:

Sean P. Ryan
3215 Oregon Dr. #2
Anchorage, AK 99517-2048
(907)272-9184

E-mail (current): au414@cleveland.freenet.edu  OR
		  sean@freds.cojones.com

Though like I said, e-mail will bring you the slowest response
from me (though that's always been the case).
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: CHAMPS: As of 01/11(?)/93
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:39:55 GMT

In article <hit.727504673@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
#Correction to my first reply...
#
#Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
#
#> HT>   --------------------------------------------------------------
#> HT>   Championship Wrestling USA (Oregon)
#> HT>     TV : Dirty White Boy
#> HT>   --------------------------------------------------------------
#
#>This is a bit old because Bart Sawyer won that title from John Rambo last
#>week.
#
#I usually check the Observer for the title changes.  Do you remember when
#Rambo won the title?  Did he win it from DWB?  I have to check the back issue
#and see why I missed it.

I think I posted the news of the DWB -> Rambo title change in one of
my weekly recaps of CWUSA. Hmm, let me see....(sound of fingers 
ruffling through digital pages of stuff)

Well, I guess I didn't. The first CWUSA update I posted was for the
October 23, 1992 show and Rambo was already champ by that time. As I
remember, Rambo won the title from Dirty White Boy in Salem Oregon, (or
some other town in Oregon) and we were told of the title change on the
show that aired October 23rd or October 16th.


Sorry for the delay in responding, Seattle had one its worst wind storm
in history yesterday (some areas clocked wind gusts of more than 90 
miles per hour). The wind uprooted trees all over Seattle. Hell, a
wind gust lifted a 747 off the runway at Boeing field. Most of the
eastside of Seattle (more than 600,000 households) is without power.
My work site is up and running, but my house is still far from back
on-line. I fear that I might be the feature of a "the last people
in the area to get their power restored" story on next week's TV
news.  half :-)

Anybody wanna sell some batteries and a spaceheater? :-)

-- 
Cal...                           "Freeze dried instant coffee 
                                  is the work of the forces 
 jewell@Data-IO.COM               of darkness."
 ...!pilchuck!jewell
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: SJ House Show
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:12:40 GMT


How about a report from someone who went to the San Jose State house show
last nite? Anything of note.
I "weasel"ed out of going at the last moment. :-<




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From: tdaniel@bluemoon.use.com (Terry McDaniel)
Subject: royal rumble
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 18:56:42 EST

Could some one please post a complete Royal Rumble review, complete
with order in/order out, etc.?  Thanks!

 This is from
     tdaniel@bluemoon.use.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Re: Philly card on Feb 7
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:45:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.183155.65634@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> swh0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN WILLIAM HUMINSKI) writes:
>I saw the previous postings claiming Flair vs Razor.  I don't think that'll
>happen but to quote someone else "card subject to change".  This weeks
>Superstars still says Razor vs. Perfect along with Yokozuna vs Macho and the
>Steiners vs Beverlies.  This is the same card that they announced at the last
>house show at the Spectrum, which I attended.

	I have a friend in Phili who told be this is the match being
	advertized.  Perhaps something will occur to set this up
	( I was kind of expecting Flair to show up at the Hart-Ramone
	match) but maybe not.  Maybe McGreedy is trying to squeeze
	the last drawing matches out of Flair.

	On the Royal Rumble, I can't believe that Vinny is going to
	have us listen to Fuji babble and Yoko say YOHSH! for 8 weeks.
	God help us.

				John Mastrangelo
				ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov
		








				John Mastrangelo
				ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov
From: carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: "Title matches are real"
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:35:00 GMT

foleye@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes:

>In article <C14G9F.Mu4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>>On a related note, many non-marks also complain that wrestling was
>>much, much more realistic not too long ago.  While there may be
>>a grain of truth to that, I've personally found that matches I
>>remembered as being very realistic did not appear that way when I
>>saw them again years later.  I don't think the quality of wrestling
>>has deteriorated all that much in the states.  The angles are often
>>embarrassing and completely unbelievable.  

I disagree.  Before Vince killed all the regonial promotions(AWA, Mid-South,
Florida, WCCW, Central States ..etc), the promotions existed on using
television to excite people for house shows in each city.  The wrestling had
to provide good wrestling and cohesive fueds to keep the fans interested.
The classic matches that were shown on the old AWA show like Jimmy Valient
vs Vern Gagne were much more exciting than any Wrestlemania main event(IMHO).

Vince changed all that by making the hype more inportant than the actual
matches using Hogan as the promotion's main babyface.  People were 
"educated" to watch the Hulkster and not be as interested in wrestling.

I suspect that this sort of approach is on its way out since the WWF
(and WCW also) is experiencing a continual decline in TV ratings and
attendance which I believe is due to the WWF not having a star like
Hogan which would carry a promotion.

Time to get off the soapbox,
Mark
F
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Owen Hart takes a spill
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:59:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ac.1993Jan26.155936.10577
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <mjenkins.727931780@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
> Was it just me, or did Owen really blow his knee out when YokoOnoZuna
> catapulted him out of the ring? Even my non-wrestling fan wife (who
> was gracious enough to join me at our local establishment for the
> evening) winced when she saw that.

I thought the same thing. Looks like the Rocket rocketed a bit too fast in
an effort to sell being thrown out. He came down real hard with all his
weight on one shin from the look of it.

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From: au414@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: The Observer
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:42:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This was the case back when I subscribed to sheets.  I don't know
if it's still the case, though.  As I remember it, prices for
sheets are the same in Canada as in the U.S. (and vice-versa).
The catch is that generally, it is preferred that you send funds
in the country of origin of the publication.

Also, re: your mention of Alana Kainz's column.  You might want
to let her know that Carleton's Freenet system is up and running,
so now any dipshit in Ottawa with a modem can access the net.

Yowza.  (That's with the emphasis on the "za," like Lance Russell
would do.)
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From: cheshire@acca.nmsu.edu (In need of HOT food!)
Subject: Cactus Jack
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:10:43 GMT



I was wondering if anyone caught this past WCW Main Event (1/17/93)?
I want to know how the Cactus Jack & Barbarian vs. Van Vader & Orndorf
 match turned out.  When I saw the brawl at the end of WCW Saturday Night,
I was shocked when the Barbarian actually did something (knock Van Vader)
over the top rope).  Could it be, or is the Barbarian actually going to 
beat (or at least put up a good fight to) a real opponent?  Please Watts
(you festering twit)!  Let it be so!
Any bets on how long Cactus remains a face?

:-)





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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Royal Rumble Results
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:20:25 GMT

derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue) writes:

> Did anyone see who eliminated Virgil? I Didn't see, either.

Yet to see who did it after reading reports from several people.
-- 
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University of No Hexes                   htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas                    US Mail: NT 5527, Denton, TX 76203 USA
$@EDJU>08<!wKL%F%-%5%9=#N)Bg(J

           "Don't you think it's sometimes wise not to grow up?"

                                              -- Rolling Stones
From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: FAQ? (Re: main event
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:33:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cmoore@scott.skidmore.edu (colin moore) says:

>
> [stuff deleted]
> Also, could someone post the address for the best wrestling
>sheet around?  (I know this is only the 900th time someone's asked,
>but help me out folks).  Thanks.  
 
Harrummph, is it too soon to ask for the FAQ to be reposted?
(Two of the most frequently cited sheets, the Oberver and the
Torch have their addresses listed at the end of the FAQ --
email me and I'd dig up the addresses if the info doesn't
appear soon). 

-- 
Just this person's view of netlife.

======> mike palij ::  bh929@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: rela@csulb.edu (Robie Elizabeth La)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Terry Taylor's degree
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:03:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: beach.RELA.93Jan25130307
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1993Jan25.134030.3006@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ug@brigadoon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu (Christian Bareford) writes:


>   he does have a master's degree.  Also, I heard Mark Callous/Undertaker  
>   also has a degree in sport's management from West Texas State.  However,  
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, I believe it was from Texas Wesleyann University.


In homage to the great urn,

The Grand Pooh-bah
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: jseager@mta.ca
Subject: INFO ON INDEPENDENTS
Reply-To: jseager@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:32:40 GMT

I WOULD APPRECIATE IF ANYONE COULD POST INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE
INDEPENDENTS AND ON JAPAN IF THEY HAVE ACCESS AS I AM STUCK UP IN
A TOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF NEW BRUNSWICK AND ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE
SYNDICATED WWF CRAP AND WCW POWER HOUR AND WORLD WIDE. AS WE ONLY
RECEIVE LIMITED ACCESS TO U.S. STATIONS MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS 
GOING IN THE WRESTLING WORLD HAS BEEN RESTRICTED TO THESE FEW SHOWS.
I NEED TO BE LIBERATED FROM THIS MEDIOCRITY AND PRESENTED WITH GOOD INFO
MATION.
J. SEAGER AT MOUNT ALLISON U.
From: kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Royal Rumble Lineup
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:02:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Herb Kunze writes:

>   28 of the participants of the Rumble will be:
>   Bob Backlund, Berzerker, Carlitos Colon, Damien Demento,
>   Ted DiBiase, Jim Duggan, Earthquake, Head Shrinker Fatu, Ric Flair,
>   Owen Hart, Curt Hennig, Jerry Lawler, Rick Martel,
>   Nasty Boy Brian Nobbs, Repo-Man, Nasty Boy Jerry Saggs,
>   Head Shrinker Samu, Tito Santana, Randy Savage, Papa Shango,
>   Irwin R. Shyster, Tatanka, Genichiro Tenryu, Typhoon, Undertaker,
>   Virgil, Koko B. Ware, Yokozuna.

Skinner has been announced, which brings the number of names to thrity.
Or even thirty.

My prediction:  Papa Shango will enter the ring and everyone will have
knee spasms, simultaneously, spontaneously, and synchronously (sp?)...
at least that's what I'm going to ask any unfortunate marks who happen
to sit near me ("Gee, why doesn't he just use his voodoo magic and...")

Christopher Zimmerman, driving home tomorrow because 
>                               =I have my Royal Rumble ticket=
  / kzim@watserv.ucr.edu / kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu / zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu /
From: jh@dolphin.cis.ufl.edu (Jeffery Halley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: My First Insider Contact! Wooooo!
Summary: I work with an Owner/Ex-wrestler
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:18:18 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Ok folks,

I got a temporary computer job at a local hospital where I work 4pm-midnight.
I work with one other man who seemed very nice and helpful.  Imagine my suprise
when, right before we leave, he tells me that he owns his own Wrestling group!

His name is Bryant Guynn, and he owns the Southeastern Wrestling Association.
It is a small regional promotion designed to supplement his income.  Plus he 
*loves* the sport.  He used to work a lot of regional stuff, and even was on a 
NWA/WCW card or 2.  He has met some of the big names (Black Jack Mulligan, JYD,
Ivan Koloff, Adrian Street) and a lot of smaller names (Vern Henderson, The
Mercenary, the NightStalker).

I told him about rspw and he said it was pretty cool.  He basically agrees with
a lot of the views expressed about WWF/WCW, and how the regional promotions are
suffering therefore wrestling is suffering.  I can post many more details about 
him and his group later, and if you know him or have any questions you can post 
them or email me.

BTW, the SWA has a house show in Alachua, FL on Feb. 20 at 8pm.  Ten explosive
matches so you don't wanna miss it!  Too bad I have to work...

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[ jh@dolphin.cis.ufl.edu      |     the fight for life is always real         ]
[ 5EG - CIS ENG               |     i can't believe it's no big deal          ]
[ University of Florida       |     it's a legal kill"                        ]
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Ranting
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

  >>  Hulkamania than in years before.  Last year was a record low
  >>  year.  The reason?  Nobody goes to the house shows any more.
  >>  Vince has helped kill the house show market by saturating
  >>  the TV world with a boring product.

RS>As a business student, I'd love to see these numbers; but I'd also have to
  >think that they are skewed...  I'd wager that the dying regional wrestling
                                  ~~~~~~~~~~
  >system was on its last legs in the early 80s.  Vince came along, gave us a
  >national phenomenon, and now the phenomenon is losing its luster.

  >Rick Scaia                               "If I die before I wake,

The number that Herb Mention are backed up by the Wrestling Observer.
In 1983, 13.5 million people paid to see wrestling matches in the US and
Canada.  In 1992, the number was less than 4 million.  Even if you add
in PPV sales, it still means that at best, half of the people, paid to
see wrestling compared to 1983.  That is significant.  And in 1983,
there were a lot more promotions, but they were all doing business.
They were not on the "last legs" that you mention.  They were thriving.
The problem came when Titan took off, they raided the best talent from
all areas.  Add that in with longtime promoters who tried to copy Titan
instead of doing what they did best, and the regional Feds started
dying.

Wresling was drawing everywhere in the early 80's.  40+ thousand in
Texas Stadium for Von Erich and Flair is one example.  The NWA used to
sell out small baseball stadiums down south for its Bash cards.

Then, through oversaturation on TV, plus the dying regionals not
providing new, fresh talent, has caused the aging talent of today to
become stale and tired.

It's a good thing that you didn't make that wager.  <G>
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . Quoth the Raven "Eat my Shorts!"
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: How far does the WWF go in "booking" the Rumble?
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:45:35 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <mjenkins.727629557@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
> I'm wondering to what the degree the WWF books the Royal Rumble, and
> how much of it is free-for-all.
> 
> Obviously the wrestlers orders of entry are booked. Ditto for the
> winner. But in between that, how much latitude are the wrestlers given
> for finding their own feuds in the ring, deciding who they're going to
> beat up on and how, and how long they get to stay in the ring?

While only WWF employees could say for sure, I would have to say that
most of it is left up to the creative freedom of the wrestlers. The way
I've always thought about it is:

A winner is picked and the orders of entry. A possible alternate winner
is selected and placed high on the number list (in case of a major
screwup, ie Flair could be the alternate for this Rumble - he loses
the loser leaves WWF match anyway, so something else would have to be
done to determine the WM9 contender to the title. Wrestlers are also
probably given an approximate amount of time in the ring, and the name
of the person who will throw them out. In some cases they might be given
a time to start clearing the ring (ie when Piper enters, start throwing
guys out because we want to get it down to just Piper vs Flair).

All speculation on my part, of course.

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: [WCW] Flair getting the belt
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:43:19 GMT

In <C1JFqH.M6J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbara2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:

>If WCW does own the NWA lock, stock, and barrel, they should unify
>the titles, at least temporarily.  They should also let an American
>wear the NWA title and have a Japanese wrestler wear the WCW title
>for a few months.  I think an angle where a Japanese wrestler takes
>the WCW title back to Japan, followed by another angle where an
>American wrestler returns triumphantly from Japan with the NWA belt
>would be very interesting.

Not to mention:

a) Confuse the !@#$$%# out of the marks.

b) Confuse the !@$#@#$%%@$# out of the wrestling title historians.

c) Confuse the #$@%%$@#%#$$@#%#@%@%#$$ out of the continuity people.

All that said... I think it would be a good ideas, providing that WCW
does own the NWA name and title again. If not, it would be a
logistical nightmare because of the politics involved.

Michael
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