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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Flexboot flexability
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:47:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: solaris.1992Oct13.174732.6717
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In  <Bvt3A9.MpB@unx.sas.com>  sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
> Christoph,
>
>             "So change the x:\WINNT to ..."
>
> Are you referring to modifying the boot.ini file or what?  How does this work?
>
> What is the drive letter scheme for primary and logical partitions?  Same as OS/2's?
>

I have found out the following:

Flexboot seems to recognize the OS/2 boot manager as a primary partition.
On my first disk, I have a primary partition for DOS, an extended
partition for OS/2 2.0 and on my second disk only an extended partition
for NT. I am using always extended partitions on the non-first disk, since
otherwise drive letters change (DOS and OS/2), when you remove the second
disk.

So in my configuration, I have DOS on C:, OS/2 on D: and NT on E:.
Since flexboot seems to recognize the 1 MB MOST partition as D:,
I changed E:\WINNT to multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINNT in BOOT.INI
and everything worked fine. Normally only rdisk (Disk-Number) and patition
(Partition number) needs do be changed disk() referres to the controller,
if you have only one HD controller disk(0) is ok. I haven't found out,
what multi() is meant for, maybe for booting from floppy(?).

Christoph
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From: karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT for multiple users(?)
Keywords: MultiUser
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:52:38 GMT

Can the same NT machine be used by two+ users at a time?  And if so
how are they classified (one user the others as anonymous processes?).

I know that NT is not classified as a multiuser system, but I find it
hard to believe that NT doesn't support somekind of sharing of the same CPU 
between users.

A detailed description would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance.


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From: hawkes@hillrun.corp.sgi.com (John Hawkes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:37:51 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics

In article <1992Oct7.155647.2501@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sam.jsc.nasa.gov
(Keith Mancus/MDSSC) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.181613.4954@u.washington.edu> tad@wrq.com (Tad
|> Marshall) writes:
|> >In article <TORSTEIN.92Oct6135926@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no>
|> torstein@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (torstein hansen) writes:
|> 
|> >>5) When will the NT be available for the Indigo? At what price?
|> 
|> >As far as I know, there has been no definitive statement of support
|> for
|> >the Indigo.  Last I heard, support was promised for only Intel 386/486
|> PC
|> >compatibles, MIPS R4000 ACE/ARC machines (which the Indigo is not),
|> and
|> >DEC Alpha.  Others may happen, but have not yet been promised.
|> 
|>   Actually, it is just the opposite.  Although there is a running
|> version
|> of NT in-house at SGI (which was demoed at SIGGRAPH '92, where I saw
|> it),
|> SGI folks over on the appropriate net groups have stated that it is
|> strictly a technology demo and there are NO plans to support NT on SGI
|> workstations.
|>   The R4000 based Indigo *IS* an ACE/ARC machine, and I do not
|> understand
|> why the shipped version isn't compatible with it.  But Tad is right,
|> the
|> CDROM Mips version of NT will not run on an Indigo of any flavor (at
|> least this is what SGI folks told me).

To run WindowsNT on a specific machine requires several elements,
including
Prom, HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer, e.g. cache and tlb management 
routines), and I/O drivers.  Sure, an R4000 microkernel is common to all
R4000 uniprocessor machines, but all the rest of the pieces are machine-
specific.  The July CDROM contains the machine-specific pieces for the
MIPS R4000 ARCsystem, but not for any other SGI platform.
-- 
John Hawkes		hawkes@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jones@sadye.uvm.edu (Mike Jones)
Subject: Push/Pop windows
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:01:29 GMT

Okay, I can pop a window to the top,  is there a way I can push that
window to the back.  I have several windows that overlap, and I would
like to get to one in the middle, put I can't pop it because it is
completely covered by the top window.  How can I get rid of the top
window (short of stowing it).

I am told that there is a way that to "autoraise" a window when the
mouse is moved to it.  Just wondering if there was a way to bind
mousekeys-keybdkeys to perform some other window manager functions.

Thanks, 
	Mike.
From: garyng@gnct.com (garyng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 13:14:55 HKG-8
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

brianmo@microsoft.com (Brian Moran) writes:

> Developers outside the  US may order the Windows NT prerelease development ki
> from the MS office in their country.
> 
> -Brian K. Moran
> Developer Relations Group
> Microsoft Corp.
> 
> (Disclaimer: Yes I work for Microsoft. Sometimes I am even responsible for th
>  things  that I  say! )
> 

That's not the case here in Hong Kong. Your office here simply ignore Joe blow
developer.

-gary

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: warmerda@pci.ists.ca (Frank Warmerdam)
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Organization: PCI Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:06:28 GMT

In article <strobl.718387038@gmd.de> strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) writes:
>>7) What compilers will be supporting Win NT? (I am currently using
>>Turbo Pascal for Windows) 
>
>Ask Borland :-). I'm using the Zortech C++ compiler for DOS development,
>but given the dubious future of that compiler, I'm now considering
>other options, too. For NT development, currently there is only
>one option: the prerelease C/C++ compiler from MS which comes with
>the PDK. 

WATCOM has a beta version of their compiler available under NT.  
I think you can request information from brenda@watcom.on.ca.  



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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Re: Multiuser NT???
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
	<d9mikael.718715262@dtek.chalmers.se>
	<JKF.92Oct10080555@frisky.Franz.COM>
	<d9mikael.718740193@dtek.chalmers.se>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:30:27 GMT


>>  And if there is no use "quibbling" about 100 USD why don't
>>  Microsoft give it for free then?

If it were free then people who don't really plan to use it would ask for it 
anyway and that means that microsoft would spend a lot more money and wouldn't
gain very much in the way of applications.   Placing a nominal fee on
the software somewhat separates the browsers from the serious folks
and even if browsers order the disk microsoft can recover some of their costs. 
[All of the above is purely my opinion, of course.]

The biggest cost of installing NT is upgrading your machine.
From: d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Multiuser NT???
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:00:46 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:

>>And if there is no use "quibbling" about 100 USD why don't
>>Microsoft give it for free then?

>There always needs to be a "bar" for people to get over - If its a 100% free
>and open offer, have you considerred how many university walls would be
>plasterred with our cd-roms, just because they look "cool"

Agreed.  I do follow your reasoning...

>We either use non-disclosures as a bar, or else we charge a small amount. The
>third option is to have a "qualification program" but those are a large overhe
>to administer, and are very rarely "fair" to everyone
>We did some research, asked around, and almost everyone agreed that low cost,
>with no other hurdles, was the best route.
>You sound like the exception - or you're simply too used to "the other model"

You are right again.  I am used to the "qualification program" (used by IBM).
But I think the best method would be as IBM is doing, having one qualification
program, that is free, for developers with an interesting product, and one
low-charge program for other developers that don't want to go through the
hassle to be qualified for the free program, or don't know why they want it.

I think Microsofts policy, not to give away the Windows NT SDK to anyone,
is flexible enough.  Of course, if Microsoft finds a project they find
interesting and want to encourage, they should be able to give a SDK away
for free.  Obviously they are either not interested in encouraging my
product (OK, if you say so, I will accept that), or they simply can't
understand the low-budget a shareware-program starts with (yes the budget
can increase dramaticly later on, if the program gets enough interest, like
my OS2You project.  I have no problem buying the development tools I need
for that, but I certainly didn't start the project by buying development
tools for 550 USD).

Sincerely
Mikael Wahlgren
From: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT on a DX40 with 8mb RAM??
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 06:50:48 +1200

I was just wondering if anyone had run NT on a DX 40 with
8mb of RAM, and if so what was the performance like??  I am
considering upgrading my ram, and my hard drive, and I would
really like to run NT.

Thanks for your help,
Stefan Olson

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From: Jacob.Levy@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Jacob Levy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Problem accessing c: stuff
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:35:16 -0100

Organization: What?! Organization???

OK, I have a strange problem. As of late last nite I am unable to see any
files on the C: disk. Not from the file manager, nor from a command window.
In a command window I just see the prompt (C:\) but trying cd or any other
command says 'file not found'. I don't have access to any file on C:, it
seems. Not even those in /user/default... Not logged in as Administrator,
neither as Joe Random User. I know the files are there, I can see them when
I am booted in DOS (glad I didnt throw it away after all... :_).

Has anyone seen this before? What is the procedure to restore to a sane
state?

Thanks, --JYL

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: leehart@microsoft.com (Lee Hart)
Subject: Re: NT for multiple users(?)
Date: 08 Oct 92 23:54:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: MultiUser

In article <5398@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen) writes:
> Can the same NT machine be used by two+ users at a time?  And if so
> how are they classified (one user the others as anonymous processes?).

Well, it all hinges upon what you consider multiuser access.  For example,
if I have an account on your machine and I am accessing files or printing
on your machine from my machine, is that multiuser (I say yes)?  How
about if I run perfmon against your machine (which is eventually RPC)?  There
are processes running on your machine in my security context.  No, there
is not a telnet server in the Win32 Preliminary SDK for Windows NT, but
it is conceivable (I'd say probably even) that such a server will be
written.  And how about database servers?
 
> I know that NT is not classified as a multiuser system, but I find it
> hard to believe that NT doesn't support somekind of sharing of the same CPU 
> between users.

It does support this, in the methods outlined above, among others.  And you
can always write WinSock code, or RPC code to add additional functionality.

> A detailed description would be appreciated!

Did I cover it well enough?
 
Lee Hart
Not a Spokesman,  No guarantees
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:24:35 GMT

In article <14950@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
> >As you pointed out, 286 are cheap: and they are good for text based
> >applications. That's why WNT should not restrict itself to graphical
> >applications: a minimum to run a window GUI is a good 386

> Umm, a minimum to run WNT, GUI or no, is a 386.  I don't think Microsoft
> gives a damn about making it run on 286's, and frankly, I suspect
> that's the correct decision on their part.

Actually, at least one Microsoft employee has indicated that they don't much
care if it runs on a 386SX, either. I take that to imply that a >16MB memory
requirement is not out of the question.
-- 
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Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012           "Heeft u vandaag al uw wolf geknuffeld?"
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From: Alistair.Banks@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Alistair Banks)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Multiuser NT???
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:04:37 -0100

Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <d9mikael.718740193@dtek.chalmers.se> d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren) writes:
>And if there is no use "quibbling" about 100 USD why don't
>Microsoft give it for free then?

There always needs to be a "bar" for people to get over - If its a 100% free
and open offer, have you considerred how many university walls would be
plasterred with our cd-roms, just because they look "cool"

We either use non-disclosures as a bar, or else we charge a small amount. The
third option is to have a "qualification program" but those are a large overhead
to administer, and are very rarely "fair" to everyone

We did some research, asked around, and almost everyone agreed that low cost,
with no other hurdles, was the best route.

You sound like the exception - or you're simply too used to "the other model"

-- Alistair
From: Kyle Marsh <kylemar@microsoft.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Microsoft Developer Network CD-ROM                                             
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:17:57 GMT
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That's the next release of NT.

Kyle
MS Developer Network

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From: act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Problems
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:39:28 GMT

act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:

[previous response stuff bucketted]

>	d %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\nbt.sys
                                      ^^^^ lbt.sys, from memory.

I have just got it working and it's either 'yucky' or 'strongly 'typed'' (:-).

Look very hard at your IRQ allocation. I had the LAN card set to IRQ 3 - comm
port not being used and a bus mouse set to IRQ 4 comm1 not used. Changed to a
serial mouse in comm 1(comm 2 would be OK too) and set LAN card to IRQ 2 -
future domain SCSI has to have IRQ 5 - NT current limit |^(. 
Did a net start tcpipsvc and telnet in a DOS box, went to terminal, selected
telnet and voila.

COMMENT The dreaded IRQ cram is still there, PLS support the spare IRQ's
>= 9!!
-- 
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				She lays eggs in the Relative When.
				She doesn't lay eggs in the Positive Now
act@ss.canberra.edu.au		Because she's unable to postulate how
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: IANR009@UNLVM.UNL.EDU (D. Kirk Darnell)
Subject: WIN NT Beta?
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 09:46:35 CST

Can someone tell me what the latest news is on the Windows NT beta?
When will it ship, etc?
 
Thanks...
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:44:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <id.333U.E4L@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>
>Actually, at least one Microsoft employee has indicated that they don't much
>care if it runs on a 386SX, either. I take that to imply that a >16MB memory
>requirement is not out of the question.

I think you're referring to our private conversations - Windows and Windows NT
are designed to co-reside in the marketplace. Windows NT will work on any
PC, 386sx or better, with 8Mb or more - but we believe the kind of user who
chooses a 386sx will be the kind who stays with Windows, rather than
WIndows NT

>16Mb memory requirement is utter nonsense

-- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:44:29 GMT

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>> As you pointed out, 286 are cheap: and they are good for text based
>> applications. That's why WNT should not restrict itself to graphical
>> applications: a minimum to run a window GUI is a good 386

> Umm, a minimum to run WNT, GUI or no, is a 386.  I don't think Microsoft
> gives a damn about making it run on 286's, and frankly, I suspect
> that's the correct decision on their part.

But what's to prevent Microsoft from making Windows 3.2 or Windows for
Workgroups capable of running apps on a Windows NT server?  You don't have
to actually run NT, you just have to provide a remote desktop for the NT
server.

So a diskless PC could be sort of a Windows equivalent of an X terminal...

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: Fatal System Errors
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:27:41 GMT

gsl@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Geoff Lamb) writes:

>I am trying to install Windows NT over our network using PC-NFS and a SUN Sparc CD-ROM and the dos2nt.bat file.
>
>I get to the bit where it asks if I want to boot NT or DOS, I choose NT and I get the following errors:
>
>	*** Fatal System Error : 0x00000069
>
>	*** Phase 1 I/O initialization failed
>
>Does anyone have any ideas? Or does anyone know what those errors mean?

Here it is straight out of NTFAQ.TXT.  If you want the complete FAQ for
AUS ftp to csc.canberra.edu.au and look in NT/winnt/1; NON-AUS -
ftp.uu.net in vendor/microsoft/....

Geoff, if you want more help pls phone 201-2414 or email me as I have copies
of a lot of mail off the compuserve forums that actually mentions some
specific hardware cases.

************************************************************************

Error  0x00000069

This is a phase one initialization error, which happens when Windows NT 
tries to talk with the HD controller.  It can be caused by any number of 
things.  Things to try:

* If the card allows, slow down the DMA transfer rate.

* Make sure both ends of the SCSI bus are terminated.

* Make sure there are no IRQ, or memory address conflicts.

* Make sure you're aren't using a faulty or un-supported driver i.e. the FD 
1680 SCSI controller is supported, but there is a problem with that driver 
which will be fixed and posted on WinNT, Lib 2.
************************************************************************
-- 
Renrut Werdna			Probable-Possible, my black hen,
				She lays eggs in the Relative When.
				She doesn't lay eggs in the Positive Now
act@ss.canberra.edu.au		Because she's unable to postulate how
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: assela@aix.rpi.edu (A. Andre Asselin)
Subject: Re: Stripping debugging info from a Win32 binary
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:19:54 GMT

paulb@harlqn.co.uk (Paul Butcher) writes:
>I'm sure this is just me being stupid, but I can't seem to find a way
>to strip debugging information from a Win32 binary.  I know I can "just"
>recompile, but I've got about a 2 hour recompilation time at the moment

Paul,
   I'm working on a COFF file dumper for NT, to be released as shareware.
It seems like it'd be a pretty straight forward extension to add what you're
requesting.  If you're interested, I estimate that I'll have something
working by the begining of November.
   As an aside, can't you just relink instead of going through the whole 
recompilation process?  I haven't looked closely at the options available for
LINK/COFF, but with the old LINK, you'd only get debugging info in the .EXE
if you specified /CO on the LINK command line.  I'd have thought that that
was the way it still worked.  
     Take care..........
                  - Andre Asselin (assela@rpi.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: mikee@seas.gwu.edu (Mike Me)
Subject: Re: Installing nt pre-beta
Keywords: NT
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:06:52 GMT

In article <kaz.719193124@vincent1.iastate.edu> kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet) writes:
>I'm having slight probelms installing the windows nt pre-beta.  I have 3
>partitions of my hard drive:  a dos, an OS/2, and an OS/2 boot manager.
>It installed fine in my dos partition.  I got an error that it coulnd't find
>the ntoskrn.exe file in \nt\system.  I changed the \winnt dir to \nt
>and it still doesn't work.  I can't find any help in the documentation.  Any
>ideas?  Thanks...
>
>-- 


This had me worried to in the beginning....
look at the boot.ini file...

There is a line in there that says... scs()part() bal bla bla.....

make sure to change to partition number to the appropriate
partition....


later,
	MikeE
From: cparker@centerline.com (Charles Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: iostream.h avail in beta ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:53:23 GMT
Reply-To: cparker@centerline.com
Organization: CenterLine Software
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.2.37

does anyone know if iostream and descendents will be
available in the beta release of NT. I miss them.

	-cparker
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