From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Open sexuality, strangers, etc.
Keywords: nudity, rape, women
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:10:24 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article <1OCT199209333231@cc.utah.edu> dhanson@cc.utah.edu (Devin J. Hanson) writes:
>From: dhanson@cc.utah.edu (Devin J. Hanson)
>Subject: Re: Open sexuality, strangers, etc.
>Keywords: nudity, rape, women
>Date: 1 Oct 92 16:33:00 GMT

>In article <BvELJ1.3J0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes...
>{In article <1992Sep26.233328.18024@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>{>Scenario:
>{>
>{>Man walks up to woman at nude beach.
>{>"Hello, my name is ____. I enjoy sex. Would you like to participate in
>{>a sexual act with me?"
>{>
>{>Woman:
>{>
>{>response (a): "No, thank you, I'm not interested in doing that with you."
>{>response (b): "Why, yes, I think that might be nice. Thanks for the offer."
>{>
>{>I'm not interested in a society that defines the exchange resulting in (b)
>{>to be *impossible*. That society - ours now and reinforced by the above '>'
>{ 
>{Unlikely!!  Do you honestly think a woman is going to respond (b)?  Get real.
>{Especially with a total STRANGER. (indicated by "Hello, my name is ____")  No,
>{if a man walked up to a woman, introduced himself, then asked for her to
>{participate, she'd most likely look rather perplexed and ask "Do I KNOW you?"
>{By your scenario above and response (b), you're giving the image of something
>{like _Brave_New_World_ where people are reduced to primates where we simply
>{"choose" someone to have sex with and ask, and they MAY agree, even though they
>{both may be strangers.  We're humans, not 100% logical, unemotional aliens.
>{Reponse (b) gives me the impression of someone with no emotion and all logic,
>{somewhat like Spock.  "Why, yes, I think a sexual deed may be particularily
>{pleasurable."  Humans have emotions, and response (b) is extremely unlikely.
>{The first thing that may go through a woman's head when asked by a stranger to
>{participate in sexual act(s) is perhaps fear.  She might think "Oh no.. if I
>{refuse, he might attack me."  For all he knows, she may be "in the mood," but
>{not with him (a stranger).  If you're hoping that our society can be like your
>{scenario, think again.
>{ 
>{-- 
>{Sam Hulick          | "The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to
>{shulick@indiana.edu | hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the
>{(NeXTmail welcome)  | essence of inhumanity."  --George Bernard Shaw


>Who says society isn't like this.  I have had a very similar exchange, although 
>not at a beach.  Actually I thought it was kinda nice, it hadn't happend to me 
>before and I was pleased with the openess and honesty.  I hope that our 
>society can be as open and honest as this scenario.  I hate games!

>Devin

>To each their own.  Celebrate diversity and difference!!!
 
Response (b) would not be merely unlikely, but psychologically impossible; 
for most women, if not all, cannot comprehend sexual desire divorced from 
the emotional attachments of intimacy.  You guys may get them to nude 
beaches by portraying it as fashionable and liberal, but you can't change 
this situation.  Nor, I am convinced, would most men want to. 
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