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From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      January Hunt Results Pt. I (fwd)

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:14:03 PST
From: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.EDU (Rick Gates)
Subject: January Hunt Results

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*             Results of the January, 1993                *
*                                                         *
*                    INTERNET HUNT                        *
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*            (long message: about 1,000 lines)            *
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This month we have winners in the individual and team
categories.

The individual winner is:

   John Berens
   University Librarian
   Olson Library
   Northern Michigan University
   Marquette, MI 49855

John scored a perfect 43 out of 43 possible points in an entry
dated: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:29:08 EST

And the team winners are:

   The Panix.Hunt Team
   Panix Public Unix Access of New York
   New York, New York.

The Panix.Hunt Team scored 42 out of 43 points in an entry
dated: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:19 -0500 (EST)

Congratulations to all the winners!

Note to the Players
-------------------

Thanks to you all for giving us such a good demonstration of
how it's done.  For those of you requesting your individual
scores, they're done, but I'm leaving for Denver tonight.  I
will mail them to you on Wed night (1/27).

Statistics
----------
Total entries: 18

Total individual entries: 15

Total team entries: 3

My Comments about this Hunt
---------------------------
1.There were some tricky moments for me in this Hunt.  I set
myself up for some tough questions that I'm still tracking
down.  If anyone can provide more illumination on why Giovanni
De Poli's appears to have 5 email addresses, or the Toyota
question, fire me off a message and I'll summarize.

2.It's becoming more difficult to grade certain types of
responses.  Some players used a local Turbo gopher client to
connect to their home gopher server.  This made it tough to
retrace as I don't know where their home gopher is.  While I
could manage it (because I know the answers!), it may be
difficult for others to follow their searches.

What I'm thinking of doing next month is asking players to
double check that they are including the hostname and port for
their home gopher server so that others can follow in their
footsteps.

3. Since I've included all the answers for both classes of
winners, and I really want to include other good answers, the
size of this document is getting out of hand.  What I think
I'll do from now on, is just pick out a few answers for each
question that are good, or clever, or illuminate some little
known method for wrestling with the dreaded Net-Beast! :-)

Very Inventive Veronica
-----------------------
Veronica now has boolean searching capabilities.  Precedence is
left-to-right, with no nesting operators.  It is
case-independent.  When you access Veronica read the About file
for explanations.

When I tried it, a search on

   christmas

...yielded 90 entries, and a search on

   christmas and tree

...yielded 33 entries, and they looked right.

Thanks to D.G. Gilbert, and the folks at U.N. Reno for the
extra functionality.

Another Home for the Hunt
-------------------------
Many thanks to the folks at CICNet as they have provided me
with a Gopher for Hunt distribution.  Now, rather than having
to wait for mail and usnet messages to percolate to them,
players can grab the Hunt questions mere seconds after I make
them available.

The CICNet gopher is available on that long list of US
gophers.  If you prefer to point your users directly to it (my
preference, certainly), here are the details:

Name=The Internet Hunt
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/hunt
Host=gopher.cic.net

Note: It looks like the Hunt is not accessible via Veronica yet.

So now, without further delay, here are:

The Hunt Answers
================================================================
1. (5) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in
Czech?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok.

   Search strategy:
   telnet panda.uiowa.edu
   4.  Online Information Services...
   12.  Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace...
   2.  Search many (300) Internet gopher menus by SINGLE keyword <?>
   index word: holiday
   130.  holiday-greetings

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   >telnet scilibx.ucsc.edu \     or, of course, use a gopher client
   >login: gopher           /     directly
   >choice 9, The World
   >choice 1, Other Internet Gopher Servers
   >choice 8, Veronica search of much of GopherSpace
   >choice 2, Search ...

   Index word...: christmas

   choose article 140. Merry-Christmas.

   For those who are interested "Merry Christmas & Happy New Year"
   in Czech is the following:

           Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok

Other Answers
-------------
   What's interesting is I had searched veronica on all key
   words except merry....  I tried merry and got a hit... why
   didn't christmas work?  It does now!!!

   TurboGopher
   Home Gopher Server
   Other Gopher and Information Servers
   Search Gopherspace using veronica
   Search on keyword Merry
   produces a file called Merry Christmas which contains

   >From soc.roots Thu Dec 19 08:54:02 1991

   MERRY X'MAS (or equivalent) AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR - in many
   languages!

   Czech           Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok

================================================================
2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: The Toyota Motor Corporation, Communication Technology
   Department, CIS Planning Division, has four Internet addresses:
   NET-T1: 161.93.0.0
   NET-T2: 161.94.0.0
   NET-T3: 161.95.0.0
   NET-T4: 161.96.0.0

   Search strategy:
   telnet nic.ddn.mil
   @: whois
   whois: toyota

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (reynolds):  Telnet to nic.ddn.mil
                       (panix) % whois toyota

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM1) TOYOTA-COM1 161.93.0.0

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM2) TOYOTA-COM2 161.94.0.0

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM3) TOYOTA-COM3 161.95.0.0

   TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM4) TOYOTA-COM4 161.96.0.0

   Toyota College of Technology
   (NET-TOYOTA-CTNET)   TOYOTA-CTNET     133.85.0.0

   Toyota Technological Institute (NET-TOYOTA-TI)
   TOYOTA-TI     133.21.0.0

   Toyota, Yasuo
   (YT11)               apaj-imo-o@ZAMA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL   (DSN)
   233-5821

   To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx
   is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name,
   which comes first.

Other Answers
-------------
   The strict answer is no (no IP connection). The users answer is: yes,
   you can send mail to them. I found no references in the usual databases
   (nic.ddn.mil etc) but there is a domain called toyota.co.jp belonging to
   the Toyota Motor Corporation. It can be found by telnetting to
   nnsc.nsf.net (Q10), logging in as wais and selecting the uumap.src
   database. Then you can search for toyota.
   (Short answer: use the wais source uumap.src to search for toyota ;-)

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   1. telnet archie.au
   2. login: netfind
   3. Seed database lookup
   4. Seed database search
   5. Keys (blank to exit): toyota

   The answer is

   fk.toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, japan
   toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
   tytlabs.co.jp toyota central research and development
   laboratories, inc, japan

-----
   Telnet 134.82.11.4 185 to Knowbot white pages and enter "Toyota."
   Results:

   Name: TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
   PLANNING DIV.
   Phone:        161.93.0.0
   E-Mail:       TOYOTA-COM1
   Source:       whois@nic.ddn.mil
   Ident:        NET-TOYOTA-COM1
   Last updated: (unknown)

   [Rick: other entries omitted as they are listed above...]

   [etc....] Answer: Yep!

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   telnet to quake.think.com (WAIS), login as wais
   select "domain-organizations"
   search for "Toyota"

   This produces (if we ignore one unusable result) the following
   <D>omain/<O>rganization/<H>ost information:

     %D fk.toyota.co.jp
     %O toyota motor corporation, japan
     %H tmclab

     %D toyota.co.jp
     %O toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
     %H qe

     %D tytlabs.co.jp
     %O toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan
     %H milab elmlab iclab robotics

   [Rick:The question on Toyota was tricky as some leads indicated
   that they were not directly connected to the Internet.  What I
   was looking for was not a particular type of connectivity, but
   reachability via some method.  This is the kind of simplistic
   question that reference librarians get all the time.]

================================================================
3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I
HATE the editor I have for my mail.  It's called vi.  So I
found another editor that I can use called emacs.  Emacs is
supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things
up a little.  Can you tell me where I can get some advice from
more experienced emacs users?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: there are 27 internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
   groups that cover emacs.  Two of the broadest are
   emacs@bnadp11.bitnet and emacs@tcsvm.bitnet.  You can post
   questions about emacs to these and other lists and
   experienced users will respond.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   1.  Other Internet Gopher Servers/
   8.  Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
   2.  Search many (300) Internet Gopher menus by Single keyword <?>
   index word: listserv
   36.  Search the list of internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
   groups <?> index word: emacs

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (simona, reynolds): These are the various emacs
   newsgroups. My guess is the first one.
   **    gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
   comp.emacs: 1-6486
   gnu.emacs.announce: 1-50
   gnu.emacs.bug: 1-2838
   gnu.emacs.gnews:1-79
   gnu.emacs.gnus: 1-1950
   gnu.emacs.sources: 1-1072
   gnu.emacs.vm.bug: 1-1113
   gnu.emacs.vm.info: 1-680
   gnu.emacs.vms: 1-184

   (jhawk) Will you get more credit if you detail where this
   information came from?  If so, you can say ``grep emacs
   /usr/lib/news/active'' or something.  A better answer might
   be to ftp the active file from ftp.uu.net (that's the most
   authoritative one around) and grep through that.

   >**    gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
   >comp.emacs: 1-6486

   Note that the 2 of these are slightly different but largely
   overlapping.  comp.emacs might be a better choice as the
   question doesn't actually specify GNU emacs.

Other Answers
-------------
   While running GNU-emacs, press C-h C-d to view the DISTRIB
   document supplied with GNU-emacs. This document lists the
   host site for GNU-emacs as prep.ai.mit.edu.

   FTP to prep.ai.mit.edu and GET file MAILINGLISTS from
   directory /pub/gnu/gnuinfo. This document lists a USENET
   newsgroup, gnu.emacs.help, that is available for receiving
   help on general and specific questions about using emacs. It
   also states that a one-way gate is provided in USENET
   newsgroup

================================================================
4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer.  Some sexual activities are safer than others.
   Practicing safe sex really means changing your sexual
   lifestyle in a number of ways.  Hugging, massaging, and
   mutual masturbation are absolutely safe.  French kissing,
   oral sex without climaxing, and intercourse with both a
   condom and spermicide (not foams) are reasonably safe.  Any
   sex in which there is bleeding, intercourse without a
   condom, and bodily fluids in your mouth, or sharing objects
   used in sexual stimulation are unsafe.

   Search strategy:
   telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca
   login: chat
   select an information file: aids
   ask a question: can you get AIDS from kissing?

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (clay): telnet to debra.dgbt.doc.ca
   login as "chat"
   select the AIDS database -- This is the dialog:

   Type a Question or Press ENTER to browse:
   Aids from kissing?

   [Rick: I won't bother including the same text again...]

================================================================
5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference
was help in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals.  I
wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'.  Can you
find his email address for me?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: the address is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   7.  Worldwide Internet Phone & Address Directories/
   4.  Internet-wide e-mail address searches/
   2.  NetFind server at AARNet (Melbourne, Australia) <tel>
   2.  Search
   enter person and keys: poli padova
   select domains 3 4 5

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER: We found two email addresses for him. See below.
   (tovah): telnet mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (or any other netfind
   site) (OK, OK, to be honest, I just went thru InfoSlug
   again, using choices: 9,7,4,7)

   login: netfind
   choose "2. Search"
   Enter person and keys.... --> poli padova italy
   (Then narrow down your choice of domains: I used 6 5 3)
   Answer: depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it

   (I originally tried "giovanni" instead of "poli" but: (a) I
   had forgotten that Giovanni is just Italian for John and got
   back lots and lots of answers; and (b) the target guy wasn't
   included anyhow, because he's listed as "Gianni De Poli".)

   (rryan): The email address of Giovanni Di Poli is
   "depoli@giulia.dei.unipd.it".  I got this by sending the
   command "send usenet-addresses/giovanni" (as the text of a
   mail message) to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"

Other Answers
-------------
   [Rick: The following looks like the best answer.]

   Telnet to sun.uakom.cs (yes, the Czech one), log in as
   netfind and search for 'poli padova italy'. Select the
   unipd.it domain (just one of the six choices you get) and
   wait a while. Netfind gives you the most probable address of
   someone called Gianni de Poli (short for Giovanni ?):

   SYSTEM: sabrina.dei.unipd.it
         Login name: depoli
         In real life: Gianni De Poli
         Directory: /users/noi/depoli
         Never logged in.
         No Plan.
   SUMMARY:
   The most promising email address for "poli"
   based on the above search is
   depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it.

   There's a catch however: this address hasn't been used yet
   (and will not be used ever given the noi (no interactive?)
   clue). Normally one would drop the sabrina part and use the
   address depoli@dei.unipd.it.

   A small investigation revealed that mail for
   depoli@dei.unipd.it is delivered to a machine called paola
   (allthough netfind tells you that it goes to sabrina!) and
   the command finger depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it reveales:

   [paola.dei.unipd.it]
   User     Real Name        What       Idle  TTY Host     Console Location
   depoli   Giovanni De Poli            7:31  *co giulia.d console

   So (with a little guessing) the real answer is:
   depoli@dei.unipd.it (In general one should be suspicious
   about addresses with 'hostnames' in it. I normally always
   drop machine specific parts in mail addresses and let the
   network find the best delivery method unless I have hard
   evidence (in case of your own address ;-) that the machine
   part should be specified. Netfind isn't hard evidence !)

-----
   1. telnet archie.au
   2. login: netfind
   3. Search

   Enter person and keys (blank to exit) --> depoli Padova Italy

   There are too many domains in the list.
   Please select at most 3 of the following:
    0. anna.dei.unipd.it (d.e.i. universita' di padova, italy)
    1. astrpd.astro.it (astronet, vicolo dell'osservatorio, padova,italy)
    2. bio.unipd.it (biology department, universita' di padova,italy)
    3. dei.unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
    4. ipdunivx.unipd.it (universita' di padova, centro calcolo diateneo, d
       ell'universita' di padova, v. s.francesco, padova, italy)
    5. necsy.it (necsy s.p.a, padova, italy)
    6. unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
   Enter selection (e.g., 3 1 2) --> 6

   MAIL FOR Giovanni De Poli IS FORWARDED TO
   depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it

   4. finger depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it

   [anna.dei.unipd.it]
     User     Real Name         What    Idle  TTY  Host      Console Location
   depoli   Giovanni De Poli           14:46  *co giulia.d console

   [Rick:  This was a tough nut for me to crack.  I still haven't
   finished it yet.  It seems there is more than one way to reach
   Giovanni.  To try to settle the matter, I sent a mail message
   to Giovanni at both sabrina and anna, and received the
   following message which doesn't exactly clear things up.  Note
   the From: line in the header.]

   From: depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it (Giovanni De Poli)
   To: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu
   Subject: Re: Question from the Internet Hunt

   Yes, I am Giovanni De Poli. My best E-mail address is
           depoli@dei.unipd.it


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