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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:27:26 +1000
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv
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>I'm confused.  Your tone has been suggesting that we're taking different
>sides when in fact we seem to be making the same point.  Here also students
>often "dress up" more than their teachers do.  The teachers look more like
>'60s students.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Most of them were, most likely. Having been a student in the 60's, I know how
much that has affected me and I recognize similar peculiarities in my peers...
Is it my imagination or have others noticed as well, that Universities are
just not the fun places they were back then? Have the hard economic times
taken the joy out of our institutions? When I talk to my students now, all I
seem to hear are concerns about the future..... I never even gave one second's
thought to that when I was their age.... I did get involved in a few political
demonstrations but they were mainly concerned with the then current events
taking place in the world.... and they were a good place to meet people and
learn where and when all the best parties were being held. :-)

Carolyn
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Subject: Re: Chilled-water @ UGA [Plus Chocolate Wafer Crumbs]
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:01:42 GMT
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> Next time try using a rolling pin with the crumbs in a plastic bag, with
> a second bag wrapped around the first.  My blender could also do this task,

The food processor did an excellent job of crumbling the cookies (and took
maybe 30 seconds to clean).  The problem was that the Miniature Chocolate
Cheesecakes fell apart after being cooked.  But they sure tasted good...
It has occurred to me that maybe baking them in a pan and cutting them into
brownie-type size after cooling might work better than cooking them in
muffin pans.  I'm considering trying another batch as a test -- and sort
of hoping they'll also crumble so that I can eat them also instead of
saving them for my party.  :-)

They're basically brownies with cream cheese.  Nothing particularly fancy.
Here's the recipe in case anybody else wants to try them.  It's from
-Southern Living-, as are 99% of my recipes.  Oops.  Just noticed that the
official name is Tiny Chocolate Cheesecakes, not Miniature Chocolate
Cheesecakes.  Important difference there.

TINY CHOCOLATE CHEESECAKES

1/4 cup butter or margarine, softened
3/4 cup chocolate wafer crumbs
2 8-oz pkgs cream cheese, softened
1/2 cup sugar
2 large eggs
1 cup semisweet chocolate mini-morsels, melted
Garnishes: whipped cream, semisweet chocolate mini-morsels

  Grease miniature (1 3/4") muffin pans with butter.  Sprinkle each muffin
cup (5 doz) with 1 tsp chocolate crumbs; turn pans upside down to discard
excess crumbs.
  Beat cream cheese at high speed with an electric mixer until light and
fluffly; gradually add sugar, beating well.  Add eggs, one at a time, beating
well after each addition; stir in melted chocolate.  Spoon about 1 TBS into
each prepared muffin cup.  Bake at 350 for 20 mins.  Carefully remove to
wire racks to cool completely.  Chill up to two days or freeze up to one
month.  Garnish, if desired.  Yield: 5 doz.
  Note: To make 3-inch cheesecakes, substitute 24 cream-filled chocolate
sandwich cookies for chocolate wafer crumbs.  Place cookies in greased
muffin pans.  Spoon chocolate mixture evenly over cookies.  Bake at 350
for 25 mins.  [Cooling instructions same as above.  Yield: 2 doz.]
  Recipe from Peggy C. Brown, Winston-Salem, NC

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:41:05 EST
From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Red Line Story
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>window on the other side.  I grew up with being able to look out the
>front, and got used to all the tunnels when I was a kid.  So I was
>      [ . . . ]
>This seems to be the rule on the subways I've seen.  Are there others
>that let you see out the front ?
>
>Tony H.

You can on the Green Line. Bill
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:55:05 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: bruksims
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              15 Dec 92 19:32:49 -0500. <9212160039.AA26707@sics.se>

  >Evangeline: Is this a reference to the Longfellow poem? What don't you u
  >understand?

  There is nothing odd about the sentence. I just wondered about the
reference.

  >rattlesnake water melon: bet that this is a play on "watermelon"
  >and "snakewater", which I *think* is either strong whiskey or homebrew.

  "water melon" was a typo on my part. The passage in the book speaks of
"a Negro selling rattlesnake watermelons off the back of a truck. He had
lopped open one melon on the tailgate as an advertisement, and the meat
was dark red in the shade." They seem to be pretty wholesome stuff.
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:34:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Top 10
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> If you think that it's stupid to use something LOOKING like parenthesis
> marks to emphasize things, you are absolutely right. Your intuition for
> what is aesthetically pleasing is spot on and you should write the faq
> for alt.text.wizards. If you think, however, that punching the < and >
> keys at random is a cool thing to do, then perhaps words-l IS the best
> group for you.
>
> This is not meant as a discouragement. Firstly, it is hypothetical, and
> secondly, if it's true then you have only recognized your problem, which
> is quite a healthy thing.
>
> tushar

Firstly, this tushar is the last person that one should ask about the
use of <>.  And Secondly, he is mostly likely not fishing for a flame
for using firstly and secondly, and thirdly, he is quitely adept at
make stupidly dumb remarks about things of which he has no currently
contemporary knowledge.  He is, actually, sortly of a <newbie> himself.
....ly.
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:11:07 EST
From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts
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Posted on 18 Dec 1992 at 10:58:49 by Graham Toal

>I haven't met a Risc OS user who can stand MacDos. It just doesn't do
>half the things a good window system should.  And there's so much that
>doesn't multi-task even under system 7 - you keep getting trapped in
>hundreds of little dialogue boxes, all alike.

You just have to drag 'n drop objects in them so they don't look alike
any more.

Tony H.
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Words-L Trivial Pursuit
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>Anyhow, life is complicated. I'll do my best - though I am not sure I
>can always reply immediately, as life, if anything, will get even more
>complicated as time goes on.
>
>Agnes

Welcome to the game, Agnes!

I don't anticipate that many questions will be answered in under 24 hours...
only those players who have access during the evenings and weekends will be
able to answer their questions promptly. I will change the subject heading
each time to make sure that the 'new question' posts will be readily
identifiable in case of a backlog of mail messages. Everyone has the facility
to list their mail with subject headings visible, don't they?

Carolyn
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:11:00 PST
From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Red Lion Story

> Steve Karlson
>
> Hey!  The Disneyland monorail has a railfan seat, too!

I can see it now - Steve wearing his mouse ears, with his name embroidered on
the front, waving excitedly at everyone in line for the Matterhorn... :)

Emily (Do you plan to visit Magic Mountain while you're here?)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:00:56 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Contranyms

>Did you say something?  It shot by on my screen and I missed it.
>Must be some new counter-minimalist signature thang...

Addition of newlines by dumb mailer or yet another biting satire
on three line sigs? We must be told!

Give 'im hell, Peter, he looks stupider by the minute!

tushar
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Date: 14 Dec 92 15:24:35 GMT
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>> >I hate to tell you this Karen, but Americans stand out in a crowd
>> >no matter what race they came from.
>> We already did this last spring or summer.  Not always true, Graham.
>
>Karen's right.  I remember saying that French people always guess me first
>as German and second as English.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

And if you are ever in the former eastern bloc, it comes down to shoes.
Seriously. Everyone knew I was from the West from my actual Nikes, as part, I
assume, of the whole ensemble (they then add in jeans and shirts, etc. Only
Americans really have a love of Levis, at least with Adidas/Nikes/Reeboks as
accounterments).
     Summer of '91, after being in Moscow for a month, I bought a pair of
Soviet coop sneakers, cool black vinyl jobbies. Thereafter--at least until the
snow fell and I started living in my Upper Midwest boots--people figured I was
Soviet--bad shoes, bad accent, he must be a Lithuanian--and didn't know I was
not Russian until I opened my mouth.
     At least until my Levis self-destructed. Then I started wearing my cheap
proto-Docker slacks. Russian wear Levis, but *no one* had seen those.
     And then there are other factors. I went to Vladimir at one point, living
in a dorm for a month, having brough only a suitcase and a bag. Nonetheless, by
the end of my stay, the place was an amazing pit. The first time, toward the
end, that I (reluctantly) allowed a Russian friend in, I started to apologize
for the mess, but he stopped me, with a big smile, and said "Oh, that is okay,
this is American room--I have seen them in movies!"

b.c.
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 09:30:55 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: ABH's Science and Nature Question
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On Sun, 20 Dec 1992 LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU wrote:

> "What sort of insect is Queensland's 'Coscinocera hercules', the world's
> largest of its kind?"

It's one of those gigantic dung-ball-rolling beetles that we're always
seeing on TV as an example of weird fauna down under.

-abh
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:51:01 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Trivial Pursuit
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              "BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU" at Dec 12, 92 6:14 pm

> What does STS mean -- "sad to say", "sorry to say"?

so to say, I think.  (Can't check as the original message is in the bit
bucket.)

-rashmi
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Christiane Amanpour
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:58:45 GMT
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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) says:

>> Is it happening all over the world? Torrential downpours seem to be the
>> order of the day here as well.
>
>The rain is pouring in Mississippi.  Is it dry anywhere?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
"A rainy night in Georgia, feels like it's raining all over the world...."
It's dry here, more or less, if you don't count melting snow, a bit of fog,
and the rain we might [read will] get tomorrow....

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Subject:      Re: Fischer details (forwarded)

Greetings, Rita,

Details, Rita, details!

Marty
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NEAT!
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> out as well.  I have used them several times from US locations and
> have yet to get a bill.  Go AT&T!

Hmmmm.  Now that you mention it, I don't think I've seen the charges from
the data phone I used in Knoxville on my Visa bill yet...  That may be a
good sign.  Maybe I should've stayed online the whole time I was waiting
for Judith's plane last night.

For some reason, the two data phones I've tried now have rejected by AT&T
credit card -- or is it a South Central Bell card?  -- I get all these
telephone things mixed up -- it's the one that has a 4-digit pin number that
works for ld phone calls.  But the data phones like my Visa card fine.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:59:55 GMT

In article <1h2o8rINNp3s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 (Ruth M. Hanschka) writes:

  >What I'd like
  >to know in all of this is whether a discussion about respecting deep beliefs
  >can be carried on without its escalating into a flamewar.

  There wasn't anything to flame about. The questions raised were perfectly
compatible with the premiss that whatever beliefs you care to name are
holy and inviolable.

  >Maybe, for some people, they do.  "Deep beliefs" are held about a lot of
  >things that may or may not have anything to do with religion.

  Again, beliefs are not at issue. In the case of the thinking machines,
no convictions held by anybody concerning the possibility or impossibility
of thinking machines were being put in question. Your remarks again
demonstrate how alien questions about what, if anything, we mean when
we speak are to many people's thinking.
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv
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Posted on 12 Dec 1992 at 12:58:28 by Graham Toal
>Rita and bwp are still lurking preparation-h... that's where the original
>posting came from.

I'm still confused.  I remember this posting now, and couldn't tell the
intent.  Was it to show what happens when you try to post to a list that
only accepts postings from members from an address other than the
registered one, or was it to start a discussion of lurking here?  Lurking
is one of those things that seem to regard as a moral issue.

But what the hell does this have to do w/ academia?????

Karen
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:56:03 CST
From:         Bernard Chien Perro <BERNARD@ENGLISH.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Chilled-water @ UGA [Plus Chocolate Wafer Crumbs]
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> Would a clone really be the same as the original though? Bernard's
> charisma
> would be hard to duplicate and without that it just wouldn't be him.

You are absolutely right.



             o/.\_____/   (bernard@english.msstate.edu)
              \ ______|
               /\   /\
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
Date: 20 Dec 1992 05:52:12 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>:  If you say so. It would seem, then, that like many other people who
>:speak about deep beliefs and how they should be respected, you haven't
>:thought about what you're saying. I think it's a pity that you're
>:content to mouth these pious platitudes.
>
>Absolutely.  Personally I find the majority of 'deep beliefs' beneath
>contempt, simply by virtue of being *beliefs*. Most of these things
>should be taken as hypotheses, not axioms.
>
Grahamie-pie, this is what got you and me into serious hot water the last time.
I've stayed on the sidelines in this one; it's not worth bothering our
pretty little heads about.  Let them parade their mutual disbeliefs without
us.:-)  Let's both go off in a corner and repeat "I do believe in fairies,
I DO, I DO" until we bring Tinkerbell back to life....

Or maybe just click our heels together three times?  I've always wanted
to go to Australia...

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
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From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:12:04 GMT
Organization: tomorrow

Natalie, *save this vital data for your study*:

I lurk on pacs-l and rec.food.historic because I don't have much to 
  contribute there, but enjoy learning.

I speak up vigorously here, because I can both learn and contribute.  

I contribute more sedately to various professional lists, ditto.

--bayla 
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:25:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Global Village stuff

: Wake up and smell the newspaper, pig. Omsk exists. It exists, if only
: for the reason of providing Tomsk a companion.

"I have a friend in Minsk/Who has a friend in Pinsk/Whose friend in
Omsk has friend in Tomsk/Whose friend in Akmolinsk..."
                                     --"Lobachevsky" (Tom Leherer)

: Point out one goddamned pair of cities in all of the US which
: rhymes so beautifully. Let alone bloody Texas.  The best that
: Americans can come up with is Minneapolis and St Paul.

Austin, Boston, St. Petersburg and Pittsburg; Fargo, Chicago,
Pewaukee, Milwaukee ...  (There's a folksong, "I've been everywhere,
man," that has a whole bunch of these rhyming pairs.)

Steve Karlson

There's not a train I wouldn't take.
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From:         JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
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Move me into the "explicit" column, please!
(Barring any more 'technical' problems...)

JMW
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 10:45:24 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Global Village stuff
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You won't believe this, but I just got private mail from someone with a
.su domain address! Anyone know where .omsk is? Omansk?

Anyway, he wanted to know where he could get the 3friends .gif, since he
can't access ra.msstate. Appears he may have been lurking our fine
list...Frank McL, blomberg, can you help make this newbie feel welcome to
join in more publicly? I'm helping him with the .gif question, maybe you
guys can handle the human stuff.

-abh
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:23:50 MST
From:         Gail Lester <gaill@HPDMD48.BOI.HP.COM>
Subject:      dan update
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  hi everyone

 this is a quick update on dan's progres..so far, so good..
 we went to the dr. on friday and he said the retina is holding
 and everything looks as good as it could be at this point...
 so he is cautiously optimistic, and so are we...

 he just has to take it easy and not read or anything and lay on
 his right side and go back next friday...
  the hardest part is keeping occu0pied without reading or using
 his eye...

  he CAN "watch" tv, but gets tired of all the usual stuff...even with
 all the cable channels.....the other night we stayed up late watching
 something called 'santa claus conquers the martians'.....

  so, i decided we needed to up the level a little, so i went out and
 rented 6 videos....so far we have watched 'fried green tomatoes' and
 'grand canyon'....among others, both excellent movies, btw

   so, just wanted to send a big hug and hello this sunday morning to
 all of you and say the sun is shining and the christmas tree is up
  and we are both truly thankful for a GREAT many things today..

  j herman...we were both touched by your post yeaterday
 as a wife of an academic administrator, i can certainly second
 your comments about politics and academica...
  know that you are in our prayers today and a special big hug
 to you..

   gail (and dan) in sunny potatoland

  more later
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      To each thing its name
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We've done palindromes, but I thought the following, adapted from a
posting on alt.usage.english, might be of interest.      --brad


Re palindromes:  There is a song by the group They Might Be Giants
called "I Palindrome I."  One long lyric in it is reversible word by
word.  Strictly speaking, this is not a palindrome.  It has been suggested
that the rhetorical device epanodos ("He was dumbfounded, dumbfounded was
he") be applied to this phenomenon.  Here's a good example:

  Girl bathing on Bikini, eyeing boy, finds boy eyeing bikini on bathing girl.

A theoretical possibility would be a sentence reversible by *phrase*,
though I don't have an example.  It has been suggested that the rhetorical
"chiasmus" be applied to this class of wordplay.
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