From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Subject: Re: "Democracy" & "Israel" are Axonyms.
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:22:05 GMT

In article <2815@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.182158.19922@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <Apr.9.22.22.29.1992.3790@paul.rutgers.edu>, marwan@paul.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
>>>
>>>Some pro-Israeli people on this net continuously brag about the 
>>>following Issues:
>>>  1) Israel is one of the most democratic "Democracy".
>>>  2) Israel treats palestinians "nicely" ... In fact some bozo even
>>>     suggested that Palestinians are "more happy" under the Israeli
>>>     occupation that they have ever been.
>>>  3) Condemn any form of predgedism against them by using the term
>>>     "Anti-semitism" and forget how much there hearts could be filled
>>>     with hatred to other people (e.g. Palestinians).
>
>Good points Marwan.
>
>>People are claiming that the Arabs in Israel are living under democracy,
>>and that the Israeli government functions as a democracy.
>
>Leon.  Define democracy.  Define how "the Israeli government functions as
>a democracy".  Hey, even in Syria there are elections.  But we know how
>they are forced.  So, what other ways does the Israeli government function
>in view of democracy?  Why doesn't it have a constitution if it is a
>'democracy'?

	The British government doesn't have a written constitution either.
Do you say that it isn't a democracy? 


>
>>Now, why don't you tell the story of how when the roof collapses in
>>Jerusalem, Arabs and Jews worked together to rescue people, wheras
>>Arab children threw stones at the rescuers.  Who hates who?
>
>And the store was Arab owned.  If it were Jewish owned I am sure the
>government would say it was the work of 'terrorists' and retaliate against
>many Palestinians by blowing up a few 'suspects'' homes and imprison
>them under false charges.

	But you're not Jewish and you'll never know.

  So I am sure that the local authorities tried to
>do everything in their power to see to it that they wouldn't be accused of
>the same thing.  And to the world - 'gee, how gracious we are to our fellow
>terrorist Arabs'.

	God forbid that Jews be nice to Arabs for the sake of being decent
people!

>
>>No one is denying that some Israeli Jews hate Arabs or mistreat Arabs.
>
>But that is okay, right?  It is only unacceptable when Palestinian Arabs
>fight for their freedom and justice, right Leon?
>


>>The question is "How is the behavior looked upon by the rest of Israel?"
>>In many cases, Jews who mistreat or kill Arabs are condemned and punished
>>by Israel.
>
>Tell us another.  What about Ami Popov?  We never heard whatever happened
>to him.  But we see the paralyzed Sheikh Ahmad et al in prison.  Don't act
>like your govt. is so innocent.

	Obviously you've been away so long, that you've missed the multiple
posts that said that Popov is serving consecutive life sentences.

>
>>  But I don't see the opposite happening.  The only case of
>>any Arab being punished and/or condemned for actions against a Jew is
>>the case of the Egyptian soldier who shot Israeli tourists in the Sinai.
>
>Haahaahaa what a joke!  The only case?  Give me a break!!  This is the
>only case you must have read, which shows how well read you are and keep up
>on current events!
>
>>The question is not whether some Israelis hate Arabs.  The question is
>>whether Israel as a whole should be condemned for the actions of a few.
>
>"The actions of a few"?  Common - get real.  Members of the Mossad are
>citizens of Israel - so who is responsible for their actions?  Who is
>responsible for the indoctrination in Israel public schools that is
>permiated in every Israeli mind (except those who do not subscribe to that
>b.s.)?  You know what I am talking about; 'those dirty Arab terrorists
>against poor little helpless Eretz Israel' stuff.  What 'democratic'
>nation allows its citizens to openly shoot to kill its minorities with all
>legal concessions available?


Do you have documents to back up your claim that this is what is taught?
	The police officers that beat Rodney King are US citizens.  Do they
represent the actions of every American too?

>
>>But the hatred of Jewish Israelis by Arab governments and groups is
>>official policy in many places, so those who do violence against Jews
>>are not exception, but are the rule.
>
>"In many places"?  Where?  Zululand?  Stop this propoganda, Leon.
>
>>Kahana is not mainstream anything.
>
>Really?  His son openly declared, here in the U.S., his father's revenge
>against the Arab-American man accused of the murder.  His followers are
>rampant here in the U.S. (as Ron once said, "Oy Gewalt").
>

	This makes him mainstream??  Members of the KKK run rampant too.
Are they mainstream?


>
>>Has there been any public pressure or demonstration in any Arab country
>>for better treatment of Jews or better relations to Israel?
>
>We cannot even publically speak out against the horrors against the Muslim
>masses that occurred in almost every Arab country, including Syria, Iraq,
>Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, etc.
> 
So rail on Israel, it's much more convenient (sp?).

							-Manu
>
>Anisa
>
>	"Hey, I'm a hip chick!"
>			Kathleen Turner in "Peggy Sue Got Married"
>
>


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