HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:50:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.085411.1754@newstand.syr.edu>, greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(J. S. Greenfield) wrote:
> 
> P. Samuelson, "Why the Look and Feel of Software User Interfaces Should not
>    be Protected by Copyright Law," CACM, Vol. 32, No. 5, 563-572 (May 1989).

I would also point out that there have been more recent articles in CACM on
this, including ones that take the opposite point of view.  I don't have a
specific issue, but I believe Paul Heckel wrote one article, and Paula
Samuelson and (I think) Robert Glushko wrote a followup to the article
cited above.  

(I also seem to recall a column in CACM from a well-known user interface
researcher arguing in favor of some copyright protection for user
interfaces, as a response to Samuelson's original article, but I'm not
positive.)

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Look and Feel (Philosophically speaking)
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:35:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Originator: chris@sun350j.ccs.northeastern.edu


   I've been hearing much about look and feel suits lately.
It seems everyone tries to draw analogies with other products
or written and artistic material.  Has anyone really thought
about the philosophy behind patents and copyright law?

My three cents are as following:

   It's my understanding that patent and copyright law is
designed for the good of society.  That is, everyone in general
and not the individual holding the patent or copyright.  Patents
for example, are not designed for the enrichment of the individual
by allowing him/her/it to gain as much wealth as possible.  Patents
are designed to encourage individuals to be creative and discover
new technologies.  Their incentive is of course the development
rights, but it is society that gains the lions share of reward.
Copyrights work in the same way.  Providing incentive to authors
and artists to be creative, with the benefit to society for the
enrichment their work provides.
   The concept is similar to the Free Market system, and private
ownership of land.  We allow individuals to own land so that they
will work hard and make the best use possible.  This in turn benefits
society with abundant food supplies and natural resources availability.
   Of course there are exceptions to this rule.  These occur when
someone is allowed to  monopolize one type of technology, or one type
of natural resource, or corner the market on one product.  The question
one needs to ask, is whether patenting look and feel for a product will
benefit society as a whole.  Is it just the encouragement required to
allow authors to continue to be creative, or is it too fundamental
such that it monopolizes the market to everyones detriment.

C. Dunn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Subject: Looking for author of MICN 1.3
Organization: Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.misc.mac.system
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:41:31 GMT

I have been trying to get MICN, the menu icon control panel,
written by Mark Valence working but with no success.
	Does anyone know an  E-mail address for the author.

{Just in case anyone has an answer to the problem. 
System 6.07 on a Mac Plus. The control panel comes up in the
"OFF" condition. When I click on the "ON" button one of the
text fields of the control panel fils with junk text and the
Mac freezes completely. I have tried copies from several 
archives with the same result.}

	Thanks,	
		Grahama Heyes
From: dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Word 5.0 table format question
Date: 19 Aug 1992 23:06:04 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.190856.9462@spock.retix.com> tonyg@spock.retix.com (Tony "Salty Dog" Goulding) writes:
>I'm working with a table, or more correctly, a lot of tables each
>separated by a carriage-return character.  I would like to combine each
>row of cells into a single table for ease of maintenance.  The problem
>I'm facing is that I would like to visually separate the text in each 
>row by 4 points.  This is why the (4-point) carriage return exists 
>currently.  

What you should use is Word's ability to add space before or after
a paragraph (this spacing will do what you need in a table as well
as for ordinary paragraphs). Select the whole table (unless you
want to treat a first row of headings differently or something) and
choose format paragraph from the format menu. Try adding the four
points you want as space after and see if that does it.
-- 
Dana E. Keil           Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics
dana@are.Berkeley.EDU                 University of California, Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Stephan Bublava <krapf@email.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Retrospect 1.3 not saving all files
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6BD5B5786012E02@htumac1.tuwien.ac.at>
X-Xxdate: Sun, 23 Aug 92 15: 12:23 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, TU Wien
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:07:11 GMT

In article <78233@ut-emx.uucp> Rick Watson, rick@ut-emx.uucp writes:
>I'm using Retrospect 1.3 to backup 2 volumes to tape. 
>
>If I create an archive that only includes one of the volumes 
>as the source, all the files get backed up.
>
>If I create an archive that includes 2 source volumes, some of the
>files in the second volume are not saved. They don't show up in
>the archive browser, the number of files reported saved in the
>status window is wrong, etc.
>
>The second volume is supposed to be 5204 files, only 4893 were saved.
>As far as I can tell, I have all files selected for backup. The 
>volumes window lists all the files before the backup is started.
>
>Both archives were new archives; the hard disks were not changed between
>test runs.
>
>Has anyone else seen this, is there a fix, etc?
>
>Other info: Quadra 700, 20M memory, 80 and 880M disks.
>
>Rick Watson
>Hyde Park Software
>info@hydepark.com

Are you sure that you do not have copied some files from the first volume
to the second volume?

If Retrospect sees a file that is already in the archive (the file in the
archive and the file on your volume must be identical) it will not copy 
the file a second time. In such a case Retrospect just remembers on which 
volumes the file is stored, so restoring works fine. 

Have you checked your second volume with Disk First Aid, or a similar
application? Maybe the directory structure on the volume is damaged.

Stephan Bublava
krapf@email.tuwien.ac.at
From: knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: TeachText : Typeface and size
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:49:12 GMT
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa

Hi netters,
Sorry for 2 postings in a row.
How can you set your preferred typeface and size ? For example, I would 
like to have Monaco size 9 in every window of TeachText. The reason is 
I want to use TeachText as text editor for editing posting in Nuntius; 
furthermore my favorite typeface and size is Monaco 9. 
I've read something about this before, but ,alas, it slips my mind.
Thanks for your help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch)
Subject: Re: Laser Prep - is it still needed with 6.0.7
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:13:53 GMT

In <78012@ut-emx.uucp> charlieb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nihil) writes:

>We are adding system seven machines to our network.  
>We have about 200 se's and pluses that we are going to bring up
> to system 6.0.7 so as to utilize the same laserdrivers that our
> quadras and ci's and si's are using.

If you install 6.0.7, you will get laserWriter 5.2. Then you have to run
the System 7 Printing Tools Installer to install LaserWriter 7.0 and the
new Backgrounder and Print Monitor (you can manually copy if you like).

If you install 6.0.8, it will already include LaserWriter 7.0 and the new
Backgrounder and Print Monitor.

Then, you can drag in LaserWriter 7.1.1.

>The latest version, the version we are installing, is laser driver 7.1.1.
> We know that we do not need to have the laser prep on the system seven 
> machines.  But what about the 6.0.7 machines?  Do we need the 6.0.7 
> laser prep file in addition to the 7.1.1 driver on the 6.0.7 machines?
>Are there any weird things to expect?  Anything problems people have had
> with this setup?

LaserPrep is not needed on the System 6 machines either. I think the only
situation that requires the new LaserPrep file is on an Appleshare server
(not sure if it's for Appleshare Server 2 or 3 or both). 

Apple's System 6.0.8 Installer puts the LaserPrep file in the System
Folder, for reasons unknown to me. I always erase the file and have had no
problems at all (on Mac Pluses, SEs, Mac IIs, LCs, and Classics).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
Subject: Re: Mounting DOS SyQuest
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 11:20:05 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 20 Aug 92 11:22:15 GMT

In article <8U85IVJ@zelator.in-berlin.de> Christian Kuss,
chrille@zelator.in-berlin.de writes:
>I need to mount a MS-Dos SyQuest (44 MB) Disk on my Mac. It was
>formatted on a PC with a Seagate SCSI controller. I tried AccessPC but
>it just told me that there is no partition available.
>So how can I mount a SyQuest disk on a Mac???

I'm also looking for an answer to this question. The literature for
DOSMounter says that it will read IBM Syquest cartridges, but version
3.01 can't handle the Syquest cartridges I have formatted by Syquest's
2.5 version software on the IBM.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: chang hsu liu <cliu@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Can I combine split PageMaker Program from original Aldus disks?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:42:17 GMT


Here is a question for the netland,

I'd like to make a backup copy of Aldus PageMaker. In order to save more
space than direct duplicating the original disks, I'd like to compress 
every files into one archive. I would like to keep the program (PageMaker) of
the backup still personalizable. In Aldus's scheme, you need to personalize
the program before installation. Is there a way to go around that? I found
that the program is split into pt1 and pt2, but I cannot find anyway to
put them together. I have tried copying them to hard disk and select two 
and open them at the same time. It only create two uncompressed files without
combining them together into one file. The files are not recognized by
StuffIt, DD, and Compact Pro. 

Although most files are already compressed in the original disks, Aldus still
leaves some space unused in several disks. If I use compact pro or stuffit,
I probably could put everything into 4-5 disks instead of 7. As a backup, I
prefer to keep the program intact (without personalization). It seems taht
Aldus prefer the other way.

Peter Liu
cliu@copper.ucs.indaina.edu
From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
Date: 12 Aug 92 06:03:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

In article <1992Aug3.152921.15203@informix.com>, robertw@informix.com
(Robert Weinberg) wrote:

> There are ways to allow only certain people access to writeable  
> media, modems, etc., but this would make people unhappy!

I have a friend who took all of the floppy drives out of his Macs.
Problem was he kept having to take them apart to retrieve disks that
people inserted anyway....  ;-)

"Hmmm, this note taped over the floppy drive must be a joke...."

Users can be curious buggers....

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: Mac PC Exchange, AccessPC & DOSMounter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:28:50 GMT

I've worked with all three.    Access PC is the best.  DosMounter is 
by
far the most picky and I recommend you avoid it.  Any disk formatted
with DOSMounter frequently  is not readable by actual PCs.  Mac-PC
Exchange is similar to Access PC yet is not as robust in translation;
Yet you get to pat extra for the pretty Apple Logo, more than Access PC.

I've been happy with Access PC.


robg@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Rob Gerth) writes:

>Hi,
>Does anyone have experience with Apple's Macintosh PC Exchange and is willing
>to comment on its virtues/vices as compared to AccessPC and DOSMounter?

>At the moment, I am using AccessPC but I find it very fussy about accepting
>DOS disks.  It often happens that AccessPC barfs on a disk that is perfectly
>readable on DOS machines. I am sure that it's not a drive problem because
>in all these cases I have been able to read the disk on the same drive using
>DOSMounter.

>So, I am looking for another application to read/write DOS disks.

>If there is an interest I'll summarize the responses.
>ROb

>-- 
># internet:     robg@win.tue.nl         | Rob Gerth		              #
># EUT:		HG 8.85			| Department of Computing Science     #
># voice:	+31-(0)40-474389/4124	| Eindhoven University of Technology  #
># fax:		+31-(0)40-463992	| 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands  #
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Subject: Re: How do Nuntius/NewsWatcher/other work??
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:09:43 GMT

j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.222031.21833@hellgate.utah.edu>,
>mshields%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Michael S Shields) wrote:
>> 
>> Question:
>> 
>> 	Do the newsreaders discussed here allow you to dial in to a remote
>> Unix box(say with Zterm) and then read news?? Or are they for a Mac connected
>> to a network where you can access a Unix box directly??

>All of them work (in theory) with any of the new SLIP products or with ARA.
>Here at NU, we are using MacSLIP from Hyde Park software together with our
>Cisco terminal server to support general dialup access to the Internet for
>Mac users. All the TCP/IP client software we support here at NU works fine
>with MacSLIP, it's just slower: Eudora (regular network mode, not the
>special dialup Comm Toolbox thingy), Ph, NewsWatcher, XferIt, NCSA Telnet,
>tn3270, etc.

>That's the beauty of MacSLIP (and ARA too): You don't need special versions
>of your networking software. All of the regular MacTCP-based software works
>with no changes. This is because MacSLIP and ARA actually make your remote
>dialed-up Mac a "real" node on the Internet.

CAN I ASK A POTENTIALLY STUPID QUESTION AT THIS POINT?
WHERE DOES ONE OBTAIN MACSLIP????
I HAVE JUST BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PAINS OF GETTING EUDORA TO WORK 
FROM HOME AND THIS SOUNDS REALLY GOOD.

>NewsWatcher 1.3d5 (the current version), however, is nearly unuseably slow
>over such a dialup link. It currently fetches the entire full group list
>from the server every time you run it, which takes a long, long time over a
>slow dialup link (really bad at 2400 baud, for example). We will be solving
>this problem soon (not in 1.3d6, but perhaps in 1.3d7).
> 
>> Also, what are the choices, and were can I find them.

>I think the basic choices are The News, Nuntius, and NewsWatcher, if you
>don't count HyperCard stacks.

>I really don't know where to get the other ones (sumex-aim.stanford.edu
>would be a good guess), but NewsWatcher is available via anonymous FTP to
>ftp.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.113.52], in the directory pub/newswatcher.
>Warning: NewsWatcher is still in the early development stages. Don't use it
>if you expect perfection. Read the README file, please!

>John Norstad
>Academic Computing and Network Services
>Northwestern University
>j-norstad@nwu.edu

THANKS,
MICHAEL HANSLIP.
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au
From: folta@cs.umd.edu (Wayne Folta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: * Review: Infini-D 2.0
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:13:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

"Finally, the original poster stated in his review that Infini-D 2.0 is not a
"spline-based modeler.  While this is true in the strictest sense (shapes are
"not represented internally as splines by Infini-D), version 2.0 can use splines
"(bezier curves, in particular) to create 3D models, either by importing them
"as Illustrator or FreeHand format EPS, or by subscribing to them directly from

I just got my ID 2.0 upgrade tonight, and immediately saw this possibility.
Could you share what ID does internally with the splines that come in? (I.e.,
it must break the path up into segments, but how fine?)

At first glance, ID does almost everything my wishlist included!
Congratulations! Your integration of System 7 features is particularly nice.
I also like the fact that you don't have to go to raytracing for shadows, so
you can use shadows and environment maps (even animated) as a real alternative
to raytracing. The manual is also very nice (I think the surface map
illustrations using the readily-available world PICT is a nice touch, for
example). Using Illustrator to fine-tune manipulate lathes/extrusions will be
super-nice, too! (I agree that, with System 7, this is a superior alternative
to improving your own workshop. Would be nice to internally support Beziers,
though--I think.)

(While I have you on the line, the three things I would yet like to see are:
RIB output, Constructive Solid Geometry, and scripting. The latter mainly to
turn data into simultaion/animation.)
-- 


Wayne Folta          (folta@cs.umd.edu  128.8.128.8)
From: squid@carroll1.cc.edu (Craig C Schanning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Automatic scripts.  For modem transfer, and Filemaker.
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:03:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: carroll1.3285
Reply-To: squid@carroll1.cc.edu (Craig C Schanning)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

Hello, I'll get right to the point.  What I want to do, is bring
together Filemaker Pro information, using the same layouts, from two
networks, and bring them togther every night.  What I need, is a
communication program that can run a script at a certain time to
call a remote machine, and upload certain files.  Once this is done,
I somehow need Filemaker to automatically import this data.  Does
filemaker 2.0 scripting have automatic scripts so that it can import
data at a certain time?  Or is there some scripting program out there
that can suit my needs.  

I am sure someone reading this must have some automatic modem transfer
software, that can let me know how you do it.             

Thanks!
-- 
***************************************************************
*          Craig Schanning - squid@carroll1.cc.edu            *
*    And the next thing you know,  ol' Jed's a millionaire    *
***************************************************************
From: mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Backup -- FTP  ???
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:21:02 GMT
Organization: New York University

I'm looking for a good/descent shareware hardisk backup program 
which is available via FTP.

Anyone know of any?

----------
I know I was able to function before I got my Mac
but I can't remember how.

Mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu
From: king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: QUICKTIME
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:04:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


From king Thu Aug 13 11:04:07 1992
To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article

You need to drop that puppy on your system folder, grab a copy of simple
player from where you got quicktime (they should have it), and grab some
movies from sumex (for example).  If running under system 6, you also need the
Quicktime INIT (about 4K).
King
From: atc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Omnipage Pro and IICX Woe's
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:28:29 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Greetings,

I have having trouble with omnipage professional 2 on a mac IICX.
The software works fine until you try and use the training features of the
program.  Is it my imagination or is Omnipage Pro's Training feature
incompatible with the IICX?

The training goes OK until after you specify the characters that you wish to
substitute for the unrecognized ones.
As soon as you click done, omnipage goes off and starts to OCR the text you
used as the basis for the training, at this point it crashes with address error
 2.
Bummer!
As the crash occur so late in the process you have already saved the training
file.
However if you try to use this training file at a later date you get the same
address error.  However the training file looks complete and can be edited OK.

 Has anyone come across this "feature" of omnipage before?

Your help appreciated.

-- 
Andrew Chambers
Computer Services
University of Waikato
New Zealand

ATC@WAIKATO.AC.NZ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<mwalker-130892144504@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<D88-JWA.92Aug14130203@dront.nada.kth.se>
	<1992Aug15.090110.17627@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:16:53 GMT

.edu> greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:

   And this is no small point.  If you look at most of the programming tools that
   you talk about as "basic" or "fundamental" that you are worried about having
   to license, you will see that the vast majority are old enough that, even if
   they had been patented, they would be public domain now.

Like a host-independent byte order, or hashing to find a match
in LZ77 compression ?

   >Do you want computer programs to take as much time and effort to
   >design, research patents, and license patents, and cost as much,
   >and take as long, as making a car?

   Your suggestion that this might become the case is not at all convincing.

Actually, much of the time taken for a car is the design process
which has more room for trying a lot of things, and a much fiercer
quality assurance standard than anything in software has today.

However, patents on non-obvious algorithms, lasting 3 years (or
5, at the longest) might be bearable, IF the patent office actually
were competent to know what's trivial, and what's not.

-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: freek@fwi.uva.nl (Freek Wiedijk)
Subject: Re: Word vs. Nisus vs. FM vs. WN
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:18:06 GMT

owen@astro.washington.edu (Russell Owen) writes:
>
>                        Word 5  Nisus 3 FM 3    WN 3
>...
>Hyphenation             yes     yes     flex    yes
>...

What does this mean?  Does this mean that these programs have
algorithmic/dictionary hyphenation or does it only mean that you can
insert soft hyphens?  Do you have to give a command to hyphenate some
text or does the program hyphenate on the fly?

Can someone describe to me in more detail the way these four programs
handle hyphenation?

Freek (`frake') Wiedijk, self-appointed proof digitizer: freek@fwi.uva.nl
--
      We shall have no need to assign a meaning to  Ext  itself;
we shall only speak of its vanishing.
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