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From: lenivch@fermat.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:23:15 GMT
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA

In article <Bv5oKq.855@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>lenivch@maclaurin.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep25.134637.19566@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>>>In  <1992Sep24.142159.5995@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>  sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>>>(seth.r.rosenthal) writes about American education:
>>>> Memorization is discouraged, understanding
>>>> is encouraged.
>
>
>>Oleg is right here. When I taught calculus, as a graduate student,
>>the students expected to be given "cookbook recipes". I saw very
>>little desire to understdand why these things actually work.
>
>
>>Witold

>
>Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that students in Russia, just study
>before exams, and forget everything right after exam is taken. So, if you
>say that american students only interested in "cookbook recipes", how would
>you characterize russian students?
>
>-------Garik.

I'm a Pole, so I'm not really an expert on Russian universities, but it
seems to me that learning in order to pass the exams and forget later is
a common practice around the world, it is certainly common in the USA.
As I wrote in another article, I don't think that "cookbook recipes"
are bad, it all depends on the circumstances. I know how to solve partial
differential exuations even though I don't know much about Sobolev spaces,
so in a way I am using "cookbook recipes" too. On the other hand, understanding
can save a lot of time - instead of memorizing several apparently unrelated
formulas, you can derive all of them with one stroke of pen (for example,
students of calculus learn separate formulas to evaluate the area of surface
of revolution and the area of graph of z=f(x,y), while both can be quickly
derived provided you've understood determinants). I would also point out
that the issue of how one studies for exams is not directly related
to the choice between memorizing and understanding - it is possible
to have a good understanding of a topic ... for the period of one week.


Witold Biedrzycki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: One God in Hinduism?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:19:48 GMT

In article <67147@cup.portal.com> DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>>>There is only one God.
>>Hindus will dispute that.
>	Gandhi said there was only one God. I assume that he considered

Gandhi did not speak for all Hindus and was neither a theologian or a priest.
One man's opinion is juist that.

>himself a Hindu. He said that "God is Truth". He then also said that after
>years of study he concluded that the obverse is true: "Truth is God".

And look where that got him.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:45:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvGprH.H0y
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

muh@physics20 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <66974@cup.portal.com> DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>>	Beauty and the Beast also had a computer rendered background in
>>the ball room. The pillars, etc. I think it was SGI stuff. Was a great
>>movie. Animation isn't considered art in the xSU?

>It is. There are several _great_ Russian cartoons both for children and
>adults. I must say that I like Russian version of Winnie the Pooh much more
>than Disney's. As for adult cartoons (not to be mixed with x-rated) you should
>see some cartoons of Tatarskii. I do not know if they are available here.

>Yury

We have a copy of "Winnie the Pooh" (Russian version), it is by far better cartoon 
to watch than its American version.  American Winnie is a stupid stuffed toy, where
Russian Winnie is a personality. 

Kto khodit v gosti po utram,
Tot postupaet mudro.
To tut sto gram, to tam sto gram,
Na to ono i utro.
-----P'yanyii Pukh.
From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: wireing money
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:11:24 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Does anyone know how I may send money to someone in St. Petersburg other than
by mail ( like western union ) ?

Please respond e-mail.

Thanks,

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:20:51 GMT

In article <rabjab.8.718409423@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>The imagery >in the novel just begs for it!

I read the book both in Russian and in English and found the Russian
translation to be much richer in imagery and more... coherent.  Perhaps this
is because the Russian  translation was directly from Polish, while the
English translation was from French.  Something must have gotten lost in the
translation, as the saying goes.

In fact, I found the translation quality of Lem's work very spotty.  Of the
books I had read or re-read recently "Futurological Congress" and "Eden"
were pretty good translations, but "Fiasco" felt clumsy until I managed to
work up an "immunity" to the clumsy language by the 2nd half of the book.


-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: dnp@westford.ccur.com ("DonPalko ", Support)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "Darkside of the Moon" ->
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>


	"Darkside of the Moon" is a song and album by Pink Floyd
From: dima@maths.uwa.oz.au (Dima Pasechnik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: >>CIS on the internet
Date: 29 Sep 1992 04:14:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au
Keywords: CIS INTERNET KREMVAX ZHOPA

The point is that generally the connection from Australia to Europe is
not as nice as from US. I saw people here trying unsuccessfully to
connect to Holland or Israel computers. 
I suppose that lines are not so good here.

Dima.
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CIS on Internet?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:38:34 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design

In article <1992Oct6.010514.6093@nas.nasa.gov> bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross) writes:
>I couldn't ping or finger kremvax.hq.demos.su from here or a nearby
>university, but was able to from a NSF machine in San Diego.

It is said that ways of IP packets are incomprehensible. 
They may simply drop directly to AlterNet hub in SD.

>What's NFS?

Networking File System. :-)

A typo. My fingers are used to this particular order of keystrokes;
sure i meant National Science Foundation.

--vadim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: lucho@quack.sac.ca.us (Lou Pendley)
Subject: russian tutor needed in Peninsula
Summary: i'm looking for a russian tutor for a class i'm taking
Keywords: tutor russian
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:24:17 GMT


if you know of anyone that would like to help me learn to speak and
understand russian, it would be greatly appreciated.  i'm currently
taking a class at De Anza College, in Cupertino.  in other languages
i've studied, i've almost always had a native speaker to converse with.
if you could make any recommendations, i would be most appreciative.
i know that there is a Russian Orthodox Church in Palo Alto, would that
be a good place to start?  i'm not Jewish, or i'd go to the Synagogue.

thank you for your help.

lucho@quack.sac.ca.us 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: Thanks for helping to locate Sverdlovsk!
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:11:47 GMT

Thanks for all those who sent replies--my wife got about half a dozen
answers. We have problems with receiving mail on a timely fashion on 
this service for the past couple of days, so she got a chance to ask
her professor before being able to read your answers. 

And the professor did not know it either!

Her atlas (a new edition of Rand McNelly) did not have Sverdlovsk in the
index. We are going to look it up now as Ekaterinburg...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: peskin@staff.tc.umn.edu (Yury Peskin)
Subject: Re: Is America that bad?...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:40:37 GMT

In article <809nyz_.oleg@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>>>   Perhaps you heard of Bill Gates. He's a college dropout.
>
>Gates was, is and will be a geek.  The "secret" of his success is a
>bundle of money his parents were willing to pour into his garage project,
>a few prudent buy-outs, hiring a number of very sharp programmers and a
>foresight to have an astute lawyer write up his contract with IBM.  Since
>then he has shown himself to be an OK businessman who listens to his
>engineering staff and is willing to pay good money to buy talent.  
>
>Back when Gates was involved in the technical aspects of the business (the
>days of Microsoft Basic and early MS/DOS) he did not need (or demonstrate)
>much knowledge of software engineering.  
>-- 
>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path

He did, however, write a bootstrap program in assembler in
5 days.  Can you?
==============================================================
We The Willing, Led By The Unknowing, Are Doing The Impossible
For The Ungrateful.  We Have Done So Much For So Long With So
Little, We Are Now Qualified To Do Anything With NOTHING.
==============================================================
Yury Peskin at peskin@staff.tc.umn.edu
-- 
==============================================================
We The Willing, Led By The Unknowing, Are Doing The Impossible
For The Ungrateful.  We Have Done So Much For So Long With So
Little, We Are Now Qualified To Do Anything With NOTHING.
From: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Ukrainian concert
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:34:48 GMT
Organization: Physicists for Poetry
In-reply-to: hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca's message of 3 Oct 92 02:32:08 GMT

Hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca (Myron Hlynka) writes:

Myron> There will be a Ukrainian (actually Ukrainian Canadian) concert
Myron> in Windsor, Ontario (just go south from Detroit across the bridge).

Myron> Time: 2:30 p.m., Sunday, October 4.
Myron> Location: Chrysler Auditorium, Cleary International Center

Myron> Performers:

Myron> Joy Brittan (a Ukrainian Canadian Las Vegas singer)
Myron> Troyanda (two sopranos with piano accompaniment) (from Toronto)
Myron> Orest Sushko (a tsymbaly player) from Toronto, accompanied by
Myron> Ron Cahute on accordian.
Myron> Sonyashnyk Dancers (from Chatham and Windsor, Ontario). This is
Myron> a very good Ukrainian dance group of about 40 people, half of whom
Myron> have no Ukrainian ancestry. 
Myron>     All of these except Sonyashnyk have at least one recording
Myron> (i.e. tape). 
If you must advertise on USENET, which is a questionable practice,
at least advertise _decent_ performances. It is as transparent as 
water in Charles River that you are completely out of touch with
both modern and traditional Ukrainian culture.
Shalom,
Zhenya Gorokhovsky
gorokho1@husc.harvard.edu

        Ce matin, nous sommes tous arriv'es `a l''ecole bien contents,
        parce qu'on va prendre une photo de la classe qui sera pour nous
        un souvenir que nous allons ch'erir toute notre vie, comme nous
        l'a dit la ma^itresse.  Elle nous a dit aussi de venir bien
        propres et bien coiff'es.
                                                - Semp'e / Goscinny
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Spelling...
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:11:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct02.133106.17836@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:

>Dostoevsky asks in Anna Karamazoff, why there are so many average individuals

>	-igor

  Sorry, just can't to not return to this again. Look, it's a whole new
 thread for american movie scenarist!! No stiffs any more - Anna get divorsed
 this fucking asshole mr. Karenin and marry, well, whom do you like better,
 let it be Alesha Karamazov. They start the whole new life, they move
 to America, open their own business, let's say, a Gas station, or better
 a Burger King. They finally get credit cards and loan from the bank and
 buy a house. After that they make a couple of boys and a girl. 

 Uhh, blya, forgot. They would have problems with INS. Any Ideas?

 S.B.
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:53:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCppD.9pv
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Couple of days ago, I jumped a gun a bit with defending american movies.
My mistake was jumping on russian movies.  It is true that russian tv
and american are different, and that hollywood makes more happy-ending
movies.  However, are most american movies non-"depressive" because 
americans do not want to "go inside themselves and learn more about themselves".
The answer is still no, they are like that because Hollywood is a business,
which found that most people after a long day or a weekend would rather
go to a local theatre to see something happy or something with a good winning
at the end.  

As for good movies, depressive or not, America provide plenty of those.
More than SU in any case, where most films suffer from bad acting and bad
montage. There are some good xSU movies coming out, but they are as much
rarity (% wise) as good movies are in America.  I am basing this opinion
on my memories of Russia, on my visit there 2 yrs ago, and on those movie
that get to come here to the State.
 
 ----Garik.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Spelling...
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:31:06 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <BvGMvs.Fnn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>
>Now, you are comparing systems by some math scores.  Is it the
>only, and is it the best way to compare?  I don't completely agree that it
>is either best or only.  Consider a different matric: quality of education
>system is based on how much an average individual can get out of it. Would
>you then be able to say that Russian or Chinese systems are better?
>
>----Garik.
>
Wrong. Quality of education system is determined by quality of education
given to average individual. 

It's well known fact that average individual is lazy enough to ignore
almost anything he can get as long as that requires some labour.

Dostoevsky asks in Anna Karamazoff, why there are so many average individuals
with hot heart who are ready to give their life fighting for bright future
against dark forces but don't want to spend only 5 or 6 years of the life
to get decent education and then be really useful.

	-igor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 14:56:30 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <BvK984.CA8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>I have a question about oral exams in Russia. I heard from a lot of people
>that often it was not enough to have good knowledge of the material, but
>having a good relation with professor would be even more helpful.  Moreover,
>bad relationship with prof. were also an obstacle in getting a good grade.
>How widespread was influence of prof/student relationship on grades?

While oral exams leave room for subjectivity and unfairness, written
exams leave very little room for examining of understanding. I suspect
that's what started decline of the US education system - longing
for objectivity. With racial and ethnic diversity which characterize
United States, the authorities wanted to make sure that any child
(Black or Chinese) gets the same treatment by examiners.
Obviously, with oral exams one can never be sure that everybody
is treated equally. So, written tests prevailed, and these tests
have failed to test student's understanding. So, educational system
adopted itself to those tests and started to steer students in
the direction of skills, not understanding. This, of course, now
is an ancient history. I am not sure when this testing system was
adopted, but great American educator John Holt was criticizing them
already in the late 50s, so it must have been in use then.

Oleg V

"O, zhenschiny ! Nichtozhestvo - vam imya" - Vil'yam Shekspir
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: Re: Spy satellites
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:33:23 GMT

You can buy hardcopy imagery from soviet spy satellites, I have the ordering
information at work. Looks like they want to generate a little hard currancy
from their large image archives. I have heard that for developing nations
they are even offering a huge discount. Nice to see this, as you wont
catch the Pentagon doing this.

The quality of the satellites?, well the Soviets and Americans have always
had a different approach to technology. The Soviets satellites still record
on film and drop it by parachute. I know people who laugh at this, but if 
it works well, is reliable and does the job for a fraction of the price,
then sounds like good use of resources to me. The American satellites
are really spectacular from a technology point of view. Most importantly
they are digital data, and can be manipulated by image analysis software.
The Soviets have to scan theirs and this really is not a solution. 

So, both countries satellites do the job, the US has more functionality,
the Soviets is orders-of-magnitude cheaper. 

As for software, I have used many products from Canada, US, and Europe, and 
I would rate them in that order. The best all around in still PCI's 
EASI/PACE.

David Davidson
Senior Research Associate
Canada Centre for Remote Sensing

standard disclaimers apply.
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 00:57:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep29.215011.2154@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
  <1992Sep30.003523.18023@leland.Stanford.EDU> <97143@bu.edu>

>Animation-wise, Beauty and the Beast was nearly flawless. As for special
>effects, if they are not art, I don't know what is.
>
	Beauty and the Beast also had a computer rendered background in
the ball room. The pillars, etc. I think it was SGI stuff. Was a great
movie. Animation isn't considered art in the xSU?

\  / |  /\    |+ /\ |+  == /\ |    \\//
 \/  | / -\   |  \/ |\  | /- \|__  //\\
+----------------------------------------+
==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: irina@cs.washington.edu (Irina Bam)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.022042.10491@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>
>	Here are some of my observations in regards to the American ...
>
>	Many, many things ... 

Thanks god. Finally, one smart word on a subject.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross)
Subject: Re: CIS on Internet?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:05:14 GMT
Reply-To: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross)

In article <1aa9rkINN6an@rodan.UU.NET>, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
|> In article <q7cuRB2w165w@halcyon.com> mashina <novost@halcyon.com> writes:
|> >  I personaly have not seen any indication that kremvax.hq.demos.su
|> >is on the internet.
|> 
|> NFS still prohibits IP routing to ex-SU. You need to be on a commercial
|> IP network (like Alternet). Now tell me about advantages of government
|> programs.
|> 
|> --vadim

I couldn't ping or finger kremvax.hq.demos.su from here or a nearby
university, but was able to from a NSF machine in San Diego. What's NFS?

Bill Ross
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:44:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


 

  I was fooling around for a couple of weeks, so didn't have a chance
  to reply earlier. Now I'm back and anxious to have some fun. Here it
  goes. 
  
  The following article does not contain special signs for humor impared.

 fed@sovet.cntc.dubna.su (E.D.Fedyunkin) writes

>In: <88273@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) 
>writes:

>>    He [Dostoevskiy] was a distinct antisemite. Take a look
>>    (I guess you did) at the volume 25 of his  PSS.

>     Yes, it's truth. He was antisemite and great writer at the same time.
>Men aren't black/white.

  That is exactly correct. Some places also distinguish between : 
   asian, indian, spanish.
  So we have at least 5 categories.

>>In: <88268@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
>> writes:

>>   "Ja by etogo Shvondera, chestnoe slovo, povesil by na pervom suku" -
>>   skazal Philipp Philippovich, vgryzajas' v krylo indushki." (Quotation
>>   from my  memory).
>>
>>    Isn't that a call to exterminate Jews?

>     Oh, yes! Bulgakov was antisemite and ... "rusofob" in the same time!
>Remember "Master & ..",  what about RUSSIAN poet Ivan Bezdomnyiy?  He  is
>stupid and after all has bacome a crazy. Isn't that about all russian are
>crazy?!
>     Is my logic similar to your logic, mr. Borodin?

  No. In fact I didn't find any logic in your words. First of all, you make
 a false assumption that a Russian poet Ivan Bezdomniy was stupid. And after 
 all he wasn't insane either. Next, your conclusion about "all russian are
 crazy" doesn't go from the two false assumptions. At the same time my logic
 is perfect because a) there are no more Jews in "Sob. Serd." but Shvonder,
 b)the only Jew shown ought to be exterminated - at least a call for that
 action has been made. So Bulgakov is (was) an antisemite.
 
 That's true Bezdomniy was put in a mad house but it's rather a genious 
 prediction (or might be a warning!) of the usage of hospitals for political
 reasons. 
 Try better, Evgenyi.

>  To my surprise rus-
>sian antisemites ("Pamiat'") search "hzidovskie proiski"  by  the SIMILAR
>way!
 
 SIMILAR to yours or mine? I have shown it to you that mine is perfect 
 and your way sucks. 
 
>     I don't consider Bulgakov was antisemite.

  It's just a personal preference.

>     SY   E.Fedyunkin

 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: ``Moon's ass''
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:16:21 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct02.144633.35460@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:

> 
> When I wrote BACKSIDE, I thought maybe I should use something like Moon's ASS.
> But an idea, that somebody would like to use scientific term as translation
                                               ~~~~~~~~~~
> for the name of art object never happened to me. Not to mention allusions
> to Dark Forces and connotations with medieval witchcraft as well
> as with terrible private eye vs. mafia stories that would appear as soon
> as you would try to put any content to dry scientific term. I don't think
> that joyfull and witty animation by Tatarsky deserves such treatment.
> 
> It's enough that English had Magister of Ludi for thirty years.
> 


Not arguing with the rest of the post I would just like to mention that the
term ``Darkside of the Moon'' is used not only as a scientific. It belongs
to art and literature as well, e.g. Pink Floyd's ``DS of the Moon''

Cheers,

Greg