HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Freewheel road hubs
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:48:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Jul21.145245.17178@terminator.cc.umich.edu> pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>Many people used to run 126mm (normal 6 spd) overlocknut dimension,  
>and then build a wheel with no dish and use an ultra-6 freewheel.  That  
>worked nice, but now there are virtually no ultra-6 freewheels.  

[rest of post deleted because it wasn't part of the nick I wanted to pick]

Suntour Winner and Winner Pro ultra-seven freewheels (the latter of which is
easily worth the extra money) can easily be used as ultra-sixes.  To convert
them you take off the smallest two cogs on the ultra-seven and replace them
with a single cog.  The body is only as wide as an ultra-six.

It is possible that it is getting hard to find that sixth cog (the equivalent
cog on the ultra-seven is threaded for the seventh cog, and is therefore
too wide for an ultra-six).  I've been using the same smallest cog on a
succession of freewheels, as I never use it enough to wear it at all.

Now that Suntour is getting on the 8-speed cassette bandwagon it is hard to
predict how much longer their ultra-sevens will be available.  I'm glad I
have a nice stash of ultra-sixes to see me through the next few years (thanks
Allan!).
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Riding with a cold
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:56:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.124849.1246@bmers145.bnr.ca>, suescoop@bmerh72.BNR.CA (Jeromy Carriere) writes:
>
> 	I'd like to know what people think about riding while sick.
>
> 	I have a chest cold, and it's very difficult to ride with any intensity
> 	without having a coughing fit.  So, I have two questions:
>
> 		1) How much, if any, time do people take off with
> 			illnesses like this?

Ask Andy Hampsten!   :-)

  --scott

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: RONEAL@lexmark.com
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:46:33 GMT

In article <9207270338.AA11709@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>
BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
 
>
>It seems that reading the FAQ file is not high on the agenda of
>the "chain letter" members, otherwise I don't believe there would
>be so much repeated verbiage...
 
Jobst, I seem to remember something from the FAQ or perhaps simply from
a post of yours that indicated motorcycle chain lubricants were one of the
better alternatives for lubing a chain.  Is this correct?  I used to ride
a motorcycle and have a bunch of Bell PJ-1 left over but have been reluctant
to use it on my bicycle chain (Sedis-Sport) since the PJ-1 tends to be a bit
thicker than for instance Phil's Tenaceous Oil (which one of the local shops
recommended for my chain which, BTW, turned black in about three hours - yuk).
I was concerned that the PJ-1 would gum up the rear derailleur.  Any thoughts
on this?  If motorcycle chain lubricants are, IYHO, a good thing, which
brand(ts :-) do you recommend?  Inquiring minds want to know...
 
 
Randy O'Neal  RONEAL@lexmark.com     Printer Attach Software Development
                                     Lexmark International, Inc.
-- Weinberg's Law --                 Lexington, Ky.
'If builders built buildings like
 programmers wrote programs, then                                     __o
 the first woodpecker that came      "The views above are not those  `\<,
 along would destroy civilization.'   of my employer... just mine."  O/ O
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:50:28 GMT

Cleaning the chain:

Gunk engine degreaser.  Other engine degreasers do not work near as good.
Hose off after 10 minutes.  If needed, do a second time.  If still needed,
use one of those high pressure wash systems at a do-it-yourself carwash.
You should use this method prior to a major event or race if you want your
drivetrain to work excellent.  Then lube. 

Lubing the chain:

The following methods have been tried on my road bike over the past 3000+
miles.

1) Parifin Wax with graphite.  The chain was removed.  The wax melted
and mixed with graphite (in one of those cookie tins so I could use it
over and over again).   I used about 5 of those little graphite tubes.
I soaked the chain for about 10 minutes.  This got the graphite into
the rollers.  Once dry, this method has kept my chain the cleanest
ever.  The down side is at about the 60 mile mark, the chain acts dry -
lots of squeaking metal.  This is the only method that required chain
removal.  I also did not clean the chain per above instructions.  Instead,
I just put it back in the melted mixture.

2) LPS Chain Lube.  Sticks on good, but attracts too much dirt.  It feels too
sticky for bicycle chains (i.e., the chain doesn't come off the chain ring
sprockets quietly/smoothly/freely enough).

3) Gunk Cycle Chain Lube.  Same problem as LPS, but not as sticky.

4) Silicone Spray.  Not enough lubricant to do the job (squeaks too soon).

5) Super Lube Multi-Purpose Lubricant with Teflon.  Works excellent.
I've used it on 100 milers successfully.  Chain stays clean, but not as
clean as wax and graphite.  Teflon formula changes from a penetrating
spray to a clean, long-lasting grease coating.  You should put it on 24
hours before riding; otherwise, if too wet, it will attract too much
dirt.  This is the lube I currently use.  I got my last can at K-Mart.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18284 sci.med:14370
From: cs348b4@ibma7.cs.uiuc.edu (michael g xakellis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:08:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Has anyone considered using aero-bars.  My hands used to get "tingly" on
longer rides also.  With the bars and their elbow cushions I don't
have any problems.

This is really a "band-aid" type solution to the problem.  Maybe you 
should investigate your bike-fit.  Chances are that a little bit of
adjusting may help to solve your problem.

Mike

BTW - aero-bars can also help to reduce saddle soreness
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gauge Calibration
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:00:34 GMT
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ

chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:

>I currently have one of those inexpensive Zefal gauges that I
>use to check tire pressure.  It's fine for comparison; i.e.,
>the front tire is 5 pounds less than the rear, etc.  But I'd
>like to know if the tire is really 75psi when the gauge says
>it is.  How does one calibrate a gauge?  Are the more expensive
>(metal) models more accurate, and can they be calibrated?

The way I calibrated my gauge was to compare readings with a (really) expensive
gauge belonging to a mechanic.  Of course being a cheap gauge, I have to do a
mental conversion every time I use it.

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: alopez-o@neumann.waterloo.edu (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.164118.20764@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
> Several Canadian provinces seem about to require bicyclists to wear
> approved helmets.  Aside from the civil liberties issues, the idea may
> be a good one -- certainly retailers will like it -- but I'd welcome
> something like scientific evidence that helmet wearing really does
> reduce death or serious injury.  So far the only non-anecdotal
> evidence I've encountered related exclusively to small kids.
> 
> Anyone have, or know where I might otherwise find, statistical or
> other hard data on bicycle helmet safety?

Take a scientifically calibrated hammer.

Hit the helmet with the hammer with 23kg force.

Hit your skull with the same hammer and force.


Alex


-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Deparment of Computer Science                       University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:01:56 GMT


Ok Mr LoudMouth, since you are talking sooo much, I would like to
see you go all the way up that climb then I'll go right behind...
I just hope that Andy (Hampsten not Hamster!) gets the place he
deserves in the podium and makes you eat your words! (You called
him a fake didn't you?) And it better drop it here because I know
this is not the place to do this...If you want to talk to me 
maybe we can send E-Mails...
-- 
|     Francisco J. Diaz Rivera     |                           |
|     University of Puerto Rico    | If the shoe fits, buy it! |
|  "I hate calculus classes!" :-)  |           - Imelda Marcos |
|     STUD137@CUTB.UPR.CLU.EDU     |                           |
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:26:30 GMT

>From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
> And I've had pretty poor performance (sic) from Performance.

i'd just like to add that the one (so far) mail-order experience
i've had was (recently) with Performance. got the stuff in no time!
even returned something (didn't fit right) and received notice within
a couple of days that my card had been credited! :-)
no complaints here! :-)
Janice

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:19:09 GMT

John Black wrote:

> Unfortunately, a lot of these numbers don't really give a true feeling for the
> climb since, for example, a climb could be 10% for 10km and then 2% for 10km
> and I would list it as "6% for 20km" which completely loses the killer 10km 10
> section in the numbers.  But I thought it contained some useful information
> nonetheless, so I decided to post it.

Jobst wrote:

> This is as bad as repeating a rumor you know to be without foundation, the
> information is at least as bad as your example.

Bruce Hildenbrand wrote:

> Lighten up Jobst!  John was just trying to give netters some information
> about the climbs in the Tour de France(TIOOYK) and clearly stated his
> shortcomings and apprehensions up front.

And Jobst whines back:

> From the tone you'd think I wrote some personal insults. Holy spoke wrench!
> All I said was that giving average gradients for roads was as inaccurate as
> the author suggested and listed a few items to back that up.


Jobst, if you can't see how the first two lines of your earlier post were 
insulting, perhaps you ought to have someone you trust explain it you. Your 
post was insulting in tone, if not in intent.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:59:04 GMT

rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Busch) writes:

> 
>>I think this is worth pursuing so that Arrya doesn't end up short from third
>                                        ^^^^^
>>hand stories.  If you have other information please let's hear it.
>>
>>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

>Excuse me, but are we talking about Arrya rims (I've never heard of
>these), or Araya rims? We should make this very clear so that Araya
>"doesn't end up short from third-hand stories" -- especially stories
>about products that they don't even make!

>I have no personal experiences with Araya; I just want to get this
>name thing straight.

>Win awards,

>Bob.    <rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca>

I'm glad that we're sooooo picky about wording.  So someone can't spell,
are there any products out there called Arrya that could be mistaken for
Araya?  It's just not nice to start a flame war over it.

BTW what does anyone think of Matrix rims?

Jason
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:14:20 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

malb@ee.uts.edu.au (malcolm butler) writes:
> 
> Finally, I'm fairly new to wheel-building, so any advice on that is
> also welcome (and yes, I've read the FAQ and I already have
> _The_Bicycle_Wheel_: thanks Jobst, it's a great book).

Does _The_Bicycle_Wheel_ thoroughly cover wheel trueing?? (I'd guess
this is a stupid question, since a newly built wheel will have to be
trued?) I have no desire/need to build wheels, but I'd love to learn how
to properly true my wheels.

Also, I have a cheap Cycle-Pro trueing stand (given to me by my
father).  Will this be adequate?

Thanks,
Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Rob Gordon <rgordon@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Tour de France (from l'Equipe):  Stage 18
Originator: rgordon@cvxcs
Reply-To: rgordon@convex.COM (Rob Gordon)
Organization: CONVEX Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:40:08 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <25362@sophia.inria.fr> seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales) writes:
:
:Almost everyone finished in the peloton except:
:
:123. Frison H. (TUI)		        33"
:124. Van Slyke R. (LOT)		        33"
:125. Conti R. (ARI)			47"
:126. Jaramillo C. (RYA)			47"
:127. Rondon A. (GAT)		     3' 54"
:128. Moreels S. (LOT)		     6' 30"
:129. Kokkelkoren M. (BUC)	     7' 20"
:130. Quevedo F. (AMA)		     7' 21"
:131. Harvey D. (BARK)		 3h 12'  6"
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      clever!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
	<92Jul26.172823edt.267@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:15:09 GMT

In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
   If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
   have a 15mph speed limit?
Unfortuntely, "Bike Paths" here in Ottawa are "Multi-purpose
recreational pathways" (or some other beurau-speak), so one finds
walkers, dogs, joggers, roller bladers, and (surprising cyclists) all
sharing the same patch of pavement.  Needless to say, a cyclist going
40 km/h (25mph) will create quite a mess when he or she hits a
pedestrian going 5 km/h.

For high-speed travel, I use the road.
  ..greg
--
Greg Franks   (613) 788-5726     Systems and Computer Engineering,
uunet!mitel!cunews!sce!greg      Carleton University,
greg@sce.carleton.ca             Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1S 5B6.
Overwhelm them with small bugs so they don't see the big ones.
From: jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Team scorings & lanterne rouge
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:46:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services


	About the question of the "lanterne rouge", there was a prize, in
previous editions of TdF, for the last rider in the GC. I believe, however,
that now it is only a "honour" to be the last in the GC, to avoid somebody
dropping to lose time intentionally.
	About the team scoring, as somebody stated, in TTT the time of the
stage is given according to the fifth rider, but in the rest of the stages (I
think this includes also ITT) the time for each team is the sum of the times of
the best three riders. Note that in the TTT the time of the team is added only
once. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

	Carlos Jaramillo
	Rutgers University
	jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu
From: marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Canadian Mail Order Catalogue
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:32:43 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

I have a friend who has recently moved to Vancouver to live with her boyfriend
(well it sure beats Tooting Bec 'cept they don't have many raves...) who is now
her husband so she can live there...  ooops! Don't crosspost this to
soc.immigration.big.brother ;-) ...

ANYWAY, I she kindly said that she'd send me BICYCLE GOODIES if I wanted, so
does anyone here know a good Canadian mail order catalogue I could get her to
send me? What are prices like in Canada? Are they as good as in the US?

I saw an advert for Dirty Mail Mountain Bike Mail Order in MBA, are they any
good?

Marcus Harvey, Polytechnic of Central London IRS
marcus@uk.ac.pcl.sun - JANET  marcus%sun.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN

                                                          ...Bubble Up!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: lapp@waterloo.hp.com (David Lapp)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:44:45 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
: Interesting bicycle facts, courtesy of the Ontario Ministry of
: Transportation (distributed with the revised bicycle policy issued July
: 23, 1992)
:  
: There are more than 3 million bicycles and 2 million cyclists in Ontario.
:
Wow That's a lot of unused bikes.
 
: 6% of Ontarians (460,000) over the age of 15 use bicycles for primary
: transportation.
:
6% !!? What constitutes 'primary' ? Even in the summer I see
a lot more cars on the road then bikes and in the winter I see
hardly any bikes. 

I can't offer evidence to the contary but this seems pretty high.

Dave Lapp
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18627 rec.motorcycles:24880
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:40:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <cfjmr1g.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>If you want to save lives it's very easy. Require full body-harness
>safety belts and full-faced crash helmets for car occupants at all times.

Has anybody (motorcycle groups?) actually tried to push through a mandatory 
helmet law for automobile drivers/occupants?-   Something which parallels
existing/proposed motorcycle/bicycle legislation as closely as possible?

Wouldn't every argument used to push mandatory helmets onto motorcyclists
and bicyclists apply to automobile drivers:

  o Lives saved / injuries prevented
  o Money Saved in medical costs
  o Lower insurance costs
  etc. etc.

I would guess that the benefits of forcing automobile users to use
helmets would be much greater than for motorcyclists and bicyclists,
simply because there are so many more automobile users/crashes.
  
>This will reduce fatal head injuries by over 80%. In other words,
>instead of saving a couple of hundred bicyclist lives you could save
>thousands upon thousands of motorists lives.
Yup.

Maybe by turning their own arguments against them, we could show the
"pro-helmet-law" folks the other side of the argument...  

The only problem I see with this approach is that rather than 
preventing/overturning helmet laws for 2 wheelers, we all might end up
having to wear helmets in our cars :-(
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)
Subject: funny stretch pants
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:12:00 GMT

 In the 'morning briefing' of the sports section of the LA Times of Sunday, 
July 19 is a reprint of some comments by
 Mark Purdy of the San Jose Mercury News.
 He discusses the proposed realignment of pro baseball and suggests some other
realignments, one of which is:

 "The Tour de France bicycle race should be realigned onto the Santa Monica
Freeway - during rush hour. We would definitely see how many of those guys
in the funny stretch pants are real men."

larry henling   lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:57:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <jh.1@scs.uiuc.edu> jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) writes:
>The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap over
>the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels and 3 into 32 does not

Is there any wheel in existence that the Avocet mount snaps onto without
any modifications?  I've mounted Avocets on three different bikes (two
MTB and one old road bike) and I had to cut off some of the prongs and
use tie-wraps in all three cases (and never have managed to get it
perfectly centered around the hub, but I'm getting better with practice).

I keep buying Avocet mounts because I got an A50 as a gift and got
addicted to the altimeter function, so I bought an extra mount for each
bike, but I sure wish someone made an altimeter computer with a normal
spoke-mount sensor so I wouldn't have to hassle with the Avocet!

Is it really true that there's a 4-spoke version?  Does it snap right on
to a MTB wheel?  Why don't local bike stores carry it?

	...Akkana			akkana@netcom.com