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From: olemo@dhhalden.no (OLE-MAGNUS OLSEN)
Subject: Re: Winona Ryder
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.171813.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.140437.23537@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, 
>riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>> el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent) writes:
> 
>>>Was there supposed to be some vampire movie with Winona Ryder in it
>>>coming out soon?  Anyone know if this gonna be any good?
>> Yes, Bram Stoker's Dracula is due out November 13. I'm pretty sure that
>> Winona plays Mina Harker. From what I've heard, the movie is quite
>> erotic.
>Figure it's about time I post this info again...
>
>
>_Bram Stoker's Dracula_, directed by Francis Ford Coppola
>
>Count Dracula/Vlad Dracul: Gary Oldman  
>   (_JFK_, _Rozencrantz and Guildensten Are Dead_)

Sid & Nancy: Love Kills

Just had to mention it...

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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:15:14 GMT
	<2ACB911D.28911@news.service.uci.edu>
	<1992Oct2.134059.19073@ccd.harris.com> <BvIJo2.E6F@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <BvIJo2.E6F@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> peircga2@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Glenn Peirce) writes:

	  The Bible does mention vampires, and it even names one.  This very net
   has mentioned her as well.  The vampire mentions Lilith.  (or is it Lillith?)
   She was one of those who fell from grace with Lucifer (who was called Satan)
   and joined him in his temporary rule on Earth.  She is to tempt man with 
   immortality just as Satan tempts man with Earthly pleasures.

Now you've got me curious -- do you have any references?  Lillith (I
can't remember how she's spelled either) I can find in my Strong's.
Ummm, I wonder -- are you sure she isn't in the Apocrypha? (Whoops,
if it's Old Testament then Protestants would call the books I'm
referring to as the Pseudepigrapha).

-Joe.
From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Robert Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Near Dark
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:53:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL) writes:
>Near Dark was a great vampire (sorry, I can't think of a trendy way to 
>spell it) flick.  My favorite part of the film was when the "gang" stopped 
>off at the biker bar for a "drink" or two.  The insanity of the vampire 
>played by the actor that was the older brother in Weird Science was 
>chilling.  (Remember, he lets the bartender shoot him with the sawed-off 
>shotgun just to see the barkeep's expression when the vampire jumps up 
>bloody but unharmed.)

Oh my god!  Someone else has seen and loved Near Dark.  Amazing.  "I hate it
when they don't shave."

Actually, by far, I was more interested in the internal struggle with the leads
than with the gore scenes.  The concept of being unsuspectingly dragged into
the world of the undead for love...

SITH
Rob Napier
rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: esrag@warwick.ac.uk (Mr W M D Wright)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Keywords: possible
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:34:42 GMT

In article <BvMnx4.I0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>
>>>All are as probable (or more so) than wormholes, black holes or time
>>>travel (which I happen to believe in also).  
>
>One question, if time travel can exist, then where are all the time travellerss
>from the future?
>
>(Maybe hanging out with the vampyres and Elvis, eh? :) :) :) )
>
>>
>-- 
>Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
>irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Mrax
>


Think about this, then. If a strange person came up to you and said, 'Greetings,
I'm from the future!', you'd believe him, wouldn't you ?!!???

Flame of your own free will.....

Bill
-- 
|**** Bill Wright ****|  esrag@csv.warwick.ac.uk  |  es770@eng.warwick.ac.uk   |
| Dept of Engineering |==============Red Dwarf quote of the day================|
|University of Warwick|"Is that what I think it is ?" "What d'you think it is?"|
| Coventry England UK |"An orange whirly thing in space !" "It's a time hole." |
From: v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: methods of detection and killing
Keywords: killing, detection
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hmmmm.  Aren't Vampires already dead, and therefore can't be killed?

8^)=

Later-

Shane
From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "no such thing" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:24:00 GMT
 <JBW.92Oct3191500@bigbird.bu.edu> <20979@plains.NoDak.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 03:09:13 GMT

In article <20979@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

   In article <JBW.92Oct3191500@bigbird.bu.edu> jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) writes:
   >In article <fletch.717982508@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
   >
   >   HOWEVER, there is no such thing as an "undead" creature which will live
   >   eternally unless a stake is planted in it's heart!
   >
   >I'd love to see your "proof" of this "fact".

   I'd love to see your proof that there IS an " 'undead' creature which
   will live eternally unless a stake is planted in its heart!".

You are foolish, David Henry.  The only things you can prove anything
about have nothing to do with reality.

-- 
Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
From: kat@yaya.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: VAMPIRE PLACE
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:23:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu

In article <92278.130056L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>For those of you who really believe in vampyres I believe I know where there's
>place where they "hang out".  I posted a description of it earlier. It's in bro
>oklyn, if you wan't more info E-mail me. BUT, I haven't been there in a while (
>and hopefully for another looong while), but that place still exists.
>
>                                     L8R
Why must we e-mail you for the location?  You know full well that your
mailbox will be over-flowing.  Why not post the description again?  A simple
solution I would think.  This newsgroup is for fellow believers as well as
those that are curious....

kat
 ***************************************************************************
      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
 			  your nature than in mine?" 
                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
                  ********************************************
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Keywords: possible
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:35:14 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>	Even if Black holes to exist then you would have to prove the 
>existence of white holes.  (Matter, Time and Mass are thrown back into the 
>universe)

Black holes are largely held to exist. Stephen Hawking, for one, would be
soundly upset to learn that he's been spending his chair-ridden life
worrying over something that a poster on Usenet disproved.

But in any case, why should we have to prove that white holes exist if
you accept the postulate of black holes existing?

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: To Whom It May Concern...
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:13:19 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

  For all those vampyre fans out there, the Science Fiction channel has
started re-broadcasting the first "Dark Shadows" series in it's entirety.

  Plus, in the current Science Fiction Bookclub newsletter, there's a new book
by Dan Simmons called "Children of the Night".  It takes place after Ceausescu
dies, where an American hematologist named Kate Neuman, who realises she can't
save all the dying children present, but intends to do her best to save one, an
infant named Joshua.  She later discovers Joshua metabolized blood in a way
that restored his immune system.  Possibly a cure for AIDS...
  But she never suspected the real significance of the discovery-
a secret well kept in Transylvania, where a centuries-old Prince lay dying, and
the Order of the Dragon prepared to welcome his successor.
(A brief summary of the article.)

  I was thinking this went along the lines of the Vampyre/AIDS theories being
thrown about.  

  JCD
From: v125p7c5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: proofs
Keywords: reality, existence
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I will attempt to offer a proof that a proof has bassis in reality.
		If I can prove something to be true then a proof exists.  If it
exists then it is real. If it is real then it exists in reality.

	Line   statement	reason

	 1	If a then b     given
	 2	a               given
	 3	therefore b     1,2
	 4	if b then c     given
	 5	b               3
	 6	therefore c     4,5

	I will prove that gravity is what holds you to the surface of the
earth.  
	Gravity is a force exerted by one body (earth) onto another body
(people).  The direction of the force is toward the center of the larger
body, because large masses attract smaller masses.  The earth has more mass
than a person therefore a person is attracted to the earth.

	if a greater than b then b attracted to a
	a greater than b
	therefore b attracted to a

	If you wish to deny the proof as real then you are free to leave the
planet, and never bother us again.

	Since I proved something in reality then proofs are real.  You may
judge the validity of the proof, but do not say that they are not based on
reality.  The above is a proof that you are held to the earth. You really are 
on the earth so the proof is real, unless you are non in reality.
	
	I don't think that this group was created to prove or disprove anything, 
but rather to talk about the myths, legends and stories involving vampires.
The choice is yours rather to believe in them or not.  



						Michael Lamanna
					     University At Buffalo
					       Civil Engineering

	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission."


lamanna@ubunix.cc.buffalo.edu
v125p7c5@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 13:46:44 EDT
From: <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
 <is51195@pro-amber.cts.com> <1992Sep29.153007.9930@coe.montana.edu>
 <1992Oct1.162049.20141@gvl.unisys.com>

 But if vampyrism is a disease, then the holy stuff won't work. About the runni
ng water thing, there was this old ghostbusters cartoon, where the vampires cou
ldn't cross running water, nor the werewolves. They were having a little party
in the neighboring town. =)   I think The New DarkShadows was very interesting,
 but if you wan't to read some REALLY interesting vampire novels, try THE NECRO
SCOPE series by Brian Lumly this is some amazing stuff.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon)
Subject: Re: Tale of the Body Thief
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:17:05 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct15.201240.3107@colorado.edu> baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:
>	I am surprised that no one has posted a review of Anne Rices newest
>book. I am about half way through it and I must say that I was dissapointed
>at first, but it is starting to get interesting. In my opinion it is
>not nearly as rich or interesting as any of the others. How about the opinion of others ?
>
>
>Dan
>
You're only halfway through it?  I DEVOURED it in less than three hours after
it went on sale!

In a word, a classic tale of vampires, psychics, fools, liars, and life with
and of the un-dead.  (OK, so its more than a word...)

Trust me, it gets richer as you go along...
-- 
Murphy Brown For Vice-President!!                    Dan Quayle For Pre-School!!
 My opinions, of course, do not reflect the opinions of any organization I have
ever been associated with in any way, shape, or form and they are very grateful.
bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu | plains!bohlman@uunet.uu.net | bohlmand@milo.NoDak.edu
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Tale of the Body Thief
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:57:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


>I think that the second book is by far the best.  It chronicles the history
>of vampirism (in Anne Rice's opinion at least) and digs deep into the 
>character of Lestat.  IMO, I think that if I ever re-read the series again,
>I'll start with the second and then read Interview.  The story of Interview
>can only be enriched with the knowledge of the first book.

        I must disagree with Christina on this one.  When I first read
 Interview, I was most decidedly against Lestat.  How could I not be?
 He was vividly portrayed as an evil, manipulative fiend.  And I loved it.
 Had I read Lestat first, there is no way in h*ll I could have been sympathetic
 to Jonathon's plight. However, once reading Interview, I was able to read 
 Lestat with just as much interest.  Knowing Lestat's point of view before 
 hearing Jonathon's would detract from the intensity of the first book.  It 
 would be like taking a sip of what you thought was going to be water, but
 having it turn out to be Sprite.  It doesn't detract from the quality,
 just the level of enjoyment.
                                   Glenn                            
 The third book
>isn't as great as the first two.  I'm enjoying it immensely, but it isn't the
>same as the first two.  Queen jumps around way to much and doesn't let the 
>reader get totally inside any of the characters like Lestat did.  It still is
>very entertaining and Maharet's history is fascinating.  However, I think that
>Anne Rice has taken a good thing and over-killed it.  Yes it's good, but
>it's losing that special uniqueness it had in the beginning.
>
>kat
> ***************************************************************************
>      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
>		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
> 			  your nature than in mine?" 
>                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
>			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
>                  ********************************************
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 07 Oct 92 17:12:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <21024@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.173842.20056@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>>In article <fletch.717982508@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>>>	
>>>	Okay, granted, there ARE people who are derranged enough to believe
>>>that they ARE vampires.  Therefore, they have an affinity for blood.  And,
>>>there are people who have UV sensitive skin which forces them to never go out
>>>during the day without proper protection.  HOWEVER, there is no such thing as
>>>an "undead" creature which will live eternally unless a stake is planted in
>>>it's heart!  It is fantasy and it should remain there!
>>      Prove it.  Come back when you have conclusive evidence of
>>the non-existence of vampires.
>
>Once again -- please prove to us first that there is a vampire. We can't
>prove a negative, and you're the one wanting to claim that we should believe
>in things that go against biological observation.

     Sigh.  I never made the claim that vampires exist.  I have seen
several claims, however, claiming that they don't.  My assertion is
that the nay-sayers have exactly as much "proof" for their claim as
those who claim that they do exist - namely, none.
     Understand now?

					-Phil
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From: v100ra7t@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (O.G.)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: To F.Williams and A.Gunnesch
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

F.,                                     | A.,
It worked!!  I'm posting.  Hey, you     | Guess what.  A very kind soul has
really know your computers!  I would    | helped me get my mailer back on
never have figured it out alone.  I     | track, and now I'm posting, which
really appreciate your help.  Thanks    | means you're off the hook.  Thanks
a ton!                                  | for everything.

Signed: O.G.
From: v100ra7t@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Allergies to sunlight (Re: Existance of Vampire)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:57:21 GMT
Organization: Me, Myself and I


   *** I am posting this for a friend who can read news but not post. Please
       address followups/email to the address in the sig. Thanks. ***

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date sent:  7-OCT-1992 16:08:40 

>     <more chuckles> Aye. The night is alot easier on my eyes, too. I'd rather
>be about in the evening and wee hours than the daylight. I'm not a vampire
>however, and I haven't yet met any in my travels. Maybe they don't like suburbia
>or rural america. :)

I'm a student at the University at Buffalo, and here, I have many friends
(most Asian like myself--I once heard a non-Asian friend generalize, "Asians
are notoriously nocturnal) who keep reverse hours during non-school and some
school nights.  We rise at five in the evening and stay up until the sun is
rising.  We jokingly refer to ourselves as Vampires, simply because we keep
such vampiric hours.

Just a remark.



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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: proofs
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:07:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: reality, existence

In article <Bw2EGx.12u@acsu.buffalo.edu> v125p7c5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna) writes:
>
>	I will attempt to offer a proof that a proof has bassis in reality.
>		If I can prove something to be true then a proof exists.  If it
>exists then it is real. If it is real then it exists in reality.
>
>	Line   statement	reason
>
>	 1	If a then b     given
>	 2	a               given
>	 3	therefore b     1,2
>	 4	if b then c     given
>	 5	b               3
>	 6	therefore c     4,5

     Seems like sound logic.  In order to prove that it is based in
reality, though, you need to prove a and b and all of their premises,
which is quite a daunting task.


>	I will prove that gravity is what holds you to the surface of the
>earth.  

     I doubt it.


>	Gravity is a force exerted by one body (earth) onto another body
>(people).  The direction of the force is toward the center of the larger
>body, because large masses attract smaller masses.  The earth has more mass
>than a person therefore a person is attracted to the earth.

     We can accept this as a given, but then you haven't proven anything.
In order to show that your proof is based in reality, you need to
prove that the above condition _always_ holds, which you can't.


>	if a greater than b then b attracted to a
>	a greater than b
>	therefore b attracted to a

     Interesting.  I always understood that b and a were attracted to
each other, not that b was only attracted to a.


>	If you wish to deny the proof as real then you are free to leave the
>planet, and never bother us again.

     You haven't constructed a proof.  Back to Logic 101.


>	Since I proved something in reality then proofs are real.  You may
>judge the validity of the proof, but do not say that they are not based on
>reality.  The above is a proof that you are held to the earth. You really are 
>on the earth so the proof is real, unless you are non in reality.

     You showed nothing but your belief in the Theory of Gravity (note
the word _Theory_).  This isn't even a decent try at a reality proof.


>	I don't think that this group was created to prove or disprove anything, 
>but rather to talk about the myths, legends and stories involving vampires.
>The choice is yours rather to believe in them or not.  

     I agree.  So why the incorrect proof construction in your post?

     Followups to: sci.logic.pedantic.

					-Phil
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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:52:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: question
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct5.140918.2609@uceng.UC.EDU> sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steven Weide) writes:
>
>I was wondering , everyone knows how vampyres need blood to survive, but what 
>happens if they don't get blood?  Do they die(permanently) or just get weak?
>                                 Just wondering,
>                                             Steve

  They get very violent, but must eventually cut spending if that
doesn't work. See Congress for an example.
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:53:14 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center