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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 01:59:05 -0500 
From: Robert Everett Brunskill <rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Script...

From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu:
>There were two major faults.  One, it wasn't faithful to the "spirit" of
>the original series, and two, I felt much of it was retreaded material seen
>before in the series past or in other series past.

I didn't get to read much of the script, but from the small ammount I
read, I argee with this statement.  The opening and Gallifrey felt like
'Dr. Who - Intergalactic Cop'.  And unfortunately this is about as far
as most networks here in the US get when they do SF.  The new 'Space
Rangers' is a prime example, as is almost every SF show from the last 5
years.  This lack of Sci-fi in the states is what drove me to Dr. Who
(which had the added ability of being any genre it wanted to, and I
think that is one thing that helped it survive all these years),
Japanese animation, and the like.  I think one of the things I most
liked about Dr. Who was the fact that could probably be categorized as a
sort of 'Gothic Horror' show in a semi-sci-fi setting.  There was always
a mystery and some unsuspected force lurking in the background, and you
were never quite sure wether the Doctor knew what was going on.  But
just to sum up, I think DW is definitely not a 'cop show', which seemed
to be the feel of the script.  Of course, considering what type of
position an American producer would probably take on the subject... it
could just be too scary to think about.  "Sure, you want a Dr. Who/Space
Rangers cross-over episode?  No problem."

Just my input in the matter.  BTW, what stories has Mr. Byrne written? 
I haven't been watching DW long enough to learn any of the writer's
names, so I'm curious to find out wether I've seen any of his stories.

I really do hope that someone does a good Dr. Who movie.

Rob Brunskill

My Sci-Fi TV:
Dr. Who for the horror
Star Trek for the westerns
Alien Nation for the social observations
Twilight Zone for the mind-bending
Anime for the fun and appearance
all the other SF for cops n robbers
From: Doug_Lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Doug Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Master
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:50:41 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

 EC> He appears in the last Doctor Who story, `Survival', albeit in a new
 EC> costume -- entirely silk -- and with the actor, Anthony Ainley,
 EC> wearing
 EC> a real beard instead of a paste-on.

 EC> --
 EC> Email replies must be sent to keeper@deeptht.armory.com

When you say "the last Doctor Who story" do you mean the last one to be
released or THE absolute last one for all time?

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From: neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan)
Subject: Re: patrick troughton club
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:52:38 GMT

neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan) writes:

>gregoryf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Fink) writes:

>>does anyone out there (especially toronto area) know if the 
>>patrick troughton appreciation society is still in
>>operation? 

>   About two years ago they suddenly stopped operation then last January
>they put out a small newsletter saying they were back.  Since then
>no-one has heard from them.   

>   -Neal Crossan-

  Whoops.   Looks like I spoke too soon.  Yesterday I received the latest
newsletter from the Patrick Troughton Appreciation Society.  They 
apologised for the hiatus and John Sigerson has now taken over as editor.
Also, all memberships have been extended until December 1993.

   -Neal Crossan-
From: talexand@ub.d.umn.edu (T. Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr Who collection forsale
Date: 10 Jan 1993 01:25:50 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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Will sell my collection of Dr Who stuff for right price.
Here is what I have:

Book                                                          Retail
-----------                                                   ----------
The Key to Time (soft cover)                                  $ 12.95
The Time-Travellers' Guide (soft cover)                       $ 14.95
The Doctor Who File (soft cover)                              $ 12.95
The Early Years (soft cover)                                  $ 14.95
Cybermen (soft cover)                                         $ 17.95
The TARDIS Inside Out                                         $  6.95
The Doctor Who Technical Manual                               $  3.95
Doctor Who Annual 1985                                        $  6.00
Timeview                                                      $  6.95
Doctor Who The Game of Time & Space (price not known)         $ 30.00??
70 assorted Doctor Who novels @ $3.95 each                    $276.50
                                                             ----------
		      Total retail value approx.--------------$404.10

Making a sacrifice.  I will pay shipping provided I get a good price.
Send all offers to:
      talexand@ub.d.umn.edu
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Valeyard-regeneration or incarnation WAS Re: The Valeyard's 
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:02:54 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> - So WHICH video version is Canon?  My program guide and book version of the
> - show say the first version is, but you are all sighting the second version.
> - Comments and solutions are welcome.
> - The Doctor Who Programme Guide is (C) 1989 and ISBN 0-426-20342-9
> - My Ultimate Foe cover is gone so I don't know what its ISBM number is.
> 
> The ORIGINAL BBC version USES the word incarnation, and that is canon.
> In fact, I did manage to BBC my ToaTl.
> 
> Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )


Thank you Dave.  This settles it once and for all. 
"Incarnation."  Live with i.

Steven.K.Manfred


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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: The Doctor Who Formula...?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:10:10 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

>the baddies' Fortified Underground Defence Installation,
which turns out to be something else as well -- some sort of computer,
usually ("Face of Evil," "Underworld").

>The companion
>tends to get captured and scream a lot.

That usually happens no matter which formula you're using.  

>Classic examples of this formula
>include "Underworld", "The Pirate Planet", "The Twin Dilemma", "The Web
>Planet", "The Sunmakers", "The Face of Evil" (with the twist that the subjects
>are in two factions), "The Macra Terror", and about half the Dalek stories.

>(2) The isolated-outpost story.

>Examples par excellance: "The Moonbase", "The Abominable Snowmen",
>"The Ice Warriors", "The Web Of Fear" (well, OK, the Brig wasn't paranoid),
>"Fury From The Deep", "The Wheel In Space", "Earthshock", "Warriors of the
>Deep" (sorry, Johnny... *grin*), "The Horror of Fang Rock", and "The Power
>Of Kroll".

And "Revenge of the Cybermen"! You can't forget "Revenge of the Cybermen"!
(I know, I've tried.)

>And of course each of the individual Doctors has his own formula bits.
>Troughton spends the first two thirds of the story running in terror.  McCoy
>turns out to have planned it this way all along.  Hartnell hmmphs and hums
>while his companions feed him lines.  And so forth.

Tom Baker broods and pouts, and makes pop philosophy comments. Davison
looks so cute you could just hug him, meanwhile he's telling you that
you're about to become space dust. Pertwee is a cross between Scotty
(except he _has_ to work "reversing the polarity" into his technobabble
at least twice a story) and a swashbuckling hero, and he sings Welsh
(I think) lullabyes. And Colin Baker's a slightly bonkers megalomaniac.

>Any of the warped minds who helped with the Most Annoying War want to pitch
>in on this one?  We could get a great comedy going here.  Or maybe I should
>just ring up Graeme "The Happiness Patrol" Curry...

Cruel, my friend, cruel.

Speaking of "Happiness Patrol," does anyone know if the amazing simi-
larities with the PARANOIA game were deliberate or just a case of
stealing from the same source?

Oh, and one more thing. How do I get ahold of this Gerrold story
treatment?

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 06:32:54 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

- When the Master said 'between your 12th and last regeneration' when describin
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
- the Valeyard it was NOT a mistake by the writers or by the Master.  We know
- from 'Twin Dilemma" that Time Lords DO have a THIRTEENTH regeneration, but it
- is normally fatal.  This 13th regeneration is also implied when the Master
- steals the Keeper of Traken's body (Instead of being fatal the 13th
- regeneration results in a new form.)  As the Valeyard is the Doctor's 14th
- incarnation the Master knows that the Valeyard will fail in getting more
- regenerations from his past self and, foolishly,  believes that the Valeyard
- will not have the opotunity to hijack a body like the Master did.

 Point of order here!!

  In Trial of a Timelord Part 13, The word is NOT regeneration, it is
INCARNATION!  The Valeyard IS INDEED The Watcher for the 12th Doctor in other
that the Doctor can regenerate to final incarnation!!

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Birthdate: 29 Jan 1969, Redhill, Surrey, England, UK
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From: pjam@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: "The Overseers" -new Doctor Who episode availible
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:36:20 GMT


	"The Overseers" - a new Doctor Who (fan-made) episode:
            
	       some more details, and how to obtain a copy...

    ***********************************************************************

   OK, sorry about the undue brevity of the first annoucement two days ago, 
my terminal and all of the terminals that I had access to were about to be 
shut down for the night (yikes!)!
   I've recieved some E-mail response to the original posting, with the 
general question being:  <How can I get a copy? Do I send a blank tape, or 
what?>  This is a question that encompasses some of the dilemma that I feel 
in trying to distribute our own creation of Doctor Who to other fans. 
   The dilemma is this: Eleventh Hour Productions cannot *sell* its Doctor 
Who video, nor do we want to (even to recoup production cost)! On the other 
hand, we certainly can't afford to freely distribute the episode, because 
of the prohibitive cost of VHS cassettes, shipping, and recording equipment 
wear... The dilemma is, how can we share our enjoyment of Doctor Who with 
other fans without it costing us a fortune, or too much for the fans?
   I think a compromise of *sharing* the cost of creating "The Overseers"
is best - this reflects our sharing the enjoyment of it, and won't bankrupt 
either party.
   So here it is. Eleventh Hour Productions will undertake the cost of the 
production entirely on its own (this is about $400), as well as equipment 
costs incurred in the copying of the episode. "The Overseers" is availible
to interested persons and parties, then, for the cost of a VHS videocassette 
and shipping.                                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~  
   This means that those interested in obtaining a copy should send a VHS 
videocassette (of their favorite brand perhaps) and sufficient return 
postage. Within Canada, postage is about $3.00 to send a videocassette. 
To the U.S., it's about $5.00 CDN. Elsewhere, I'm not sure - best E-mail me 
so that I might find out for you... 
   "The Overseers" is availible now in VHS, recorded (and copied) at SP 
speed. We don't yet have a PAL version, -NTSC only, I'm afraid (unless 
someone offers to convert it...   :=)  
   Availible with the 34 min original Doctor Who episode is a script and a 
set of bloopers and outtakes that show some of the difficulties -and joys- 
of creating a Doctor Who episode! 

   That's it. Except to invite comment and enquries about "The Overseers."

		 Thanks!  yours in celebration, 
				Phil McCausland,
				president, Eleventh Hour Productions
                                           51 Prince of Wales St.,
                                           St. John's, Newfoundland
					   CANADA,   A1C 4N1

				pjam@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: UK GOLD shows Dominators not Genesis
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:23:39 GMT


Well now we know....
UK Gold is showing the four episode story The Dominators from today
(Tuesday) until Friday. So much for the Radio/TV Times listings
claiming Genesis of the Daleks in four episodes!! 

Clearly, whoever puts together the program listings got it wrong and
muddled BBC2 with UK GOLD - if Beeb 2 is showing Genesis then so must
everyone else!! Interesting that both the Radio and TV Times have the
same mistake though.

Graham
G.Roberts@uk.ac.ucl.cs
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan7.110007@cogs.sussex.ac.uk> richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter) writes:
>Thanks to all those who replied. I was thinking specifically of the 
>Great Exhibition. I can't remember if the Doc's been there or not. 

Well, why didn't you say so!

The Doctor attempts to get there with Tegan at some point ... I do not
recall if he said he had been there before or not -- probably had.

Now, if only I could remember the story name I'm referencing.
Hopefully, this will trigger someone else's memory -- one working a bit
better than mine is at the moment.

--
Email replies must be send to keeper@deeptht.armory.com
From: Doug_Lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Doug Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Celery
Distribution: world
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:40:28 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

He first wore it when he changed his costume - in Castrovalva I believe.
Anyway, when it turns purple he eats it to prevent an allergic reaction.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

doug_lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US
From: 00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Tremas/the Master
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:55:39 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


     I've been following the thread about the Valeyard and the Keeper of the
Matrix; one of them (I forget whose) mentioned the Master "hijacking" Tremas'
body to regenerate.  This posed a question that I have had rattling around ever
since I first saw it happen:  How does the Master manage to change Tremas'
appearance so dramatically when he takes over?  Could the ability to regenerate
have also allowed the body to "youthen", as it were?  What are your thoughts on
this?

Casey
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Script...
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:29:07 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1677@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>, cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:
> RE: space cops and the like
> 
> Has anyone stateside seen the british series "Star cops"? Dispite the name, it
> was really good series (IMHO), there was no running-around-zapping-the-bad-guys
> type of thing, it was more a real detective series set in space, rather than
> a SCI FI program with a bit of detective story thrown in.
> 
> I don't think it went down to well here, but the BBC have just released some of
> them on video (along with some of Red Dwarf, and Blakes 7)
> 
> Well worth a look.
>      |      aka Chris Adams                cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk        |

I did see a couple of episodes at a Doctor Who convention in the Twin Cities
in the late 80s, (either Time Festival or PolarisCon I, can't remember which,
in fact, I probably put the tape in the VCR) but outside of that I haven't
seen it on any American television.

What I saw was indeed very good.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Int
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) 

MYW>>     Yes that is what i thought... When I was younger I had the Hugest Cru
MYW>>   on PERRY [Huge Breasted American Sidekick] Does anyone know what ever
MYW>>   happened to her? Did she ever do anything else? Like Blue Movies ? :) ?

MYW>Actually, she played Peri, not Perry.  Her name is Nicola Bryant, and
MYW>she's been doing plays and such in England.  I'm afraid she's too
MYW>good an actress to be stuck in blue movies.  But yes, she certainly
MYW>is quite ample.  And very beautiful.

Nicola Bryant is indeed a talented comedienne.  Check her out in a cameo
role in "A Blackadder Christmas Carol"... where she displays an almost
Mel-like ability to shriek.  :)

L.
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Script...
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:05:38 GMT

In article <1677@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>, cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:
|> RE: space cops and the like
|> 
|> Has anyone stateside seen the british series "Star cops"? Dispite the name, it
|> was really good series (IMHO), there was no running-around-zapping-the-bad-guys
|> type of thing, it was more a real detective series set in space, rather than
|> a SCI FI program with a bit of detective story thrown in.
|> 
|> I don't think it went down to well here, but the BBC have just released some of
|> them on video (along with some of Red Dwarf, and Blakes 7)
|> 
|> Well worth a look.
|> 
|>      .-----------------------------.----------------------------------.
|>      |   .  .     ____    _   _    | WARNING: This Superman suit does |
|>      |  /| /| .-.    /   |_| |_>   | not enable the wearer to fly.    |
|>      | / |/ | |     /___ | | |     `----------------------------------|
|>      |      aka Chris Adams                cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk        |
|>      `----------------------------------------------------------------'

Yes, I saw these quite a while ago when they were shown on British TV for
the first time. I loved them. They were so different, not children's TV
but serious, adult sci fi. It was a great series and I really enjoyed it
(despite there only being about three sets in the entire series from what
I remember).

Yes, they are on video, but I can't afford to buy them *and* Blake's 7 &
Doctor Who tapes. Such is life.....

Happy Halibut XIII

Oh blow it, here's the sig:

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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: the valeyard's true goals
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:06:44 EST

 bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) wrote:

-> is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere
-> between your twelfth and final regeneration." {A friend's VCR and my
-> own Audio recording conferm the REGENERATION as does the 1989
-> American printing of both Ultimate Foe and the Doctor Who Programme
-> Guide (Page 165)}


 Let's look at basics for a minute with one point:

 The Doctor only has twelve regenerations. Insert "incanation" in place
of "regeneration" and sense and continuity prevail.
 As for the reference in the Programme Guide, well just look at all the
erratas he has to follow up with.
 I do remember my version from TVO as being "incarnation". Should there
be another version (and I have no reason to doubt) that uses
"regeneration", I would have to say their error was corrected.

 Anyway I look at it, "incarnation" is the canon. Like Steve and others,
I always considered The Valeyard to be a twisted sort of Watcher. That,
too, makes basic sense.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Re: UK Videos - DWM's reports.  Was RE: Terminus out on video
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:00:25 GMT

I think the problem I find with incomplete stories is the danger that, 
once bought, the missing episodes will turn up and be released. Now
this would irritate me if I had to spend the same amount of money on
something I'd already got part of, but not all of.

If the BBC could give some guarantee that if episodes do turn up (like
episode 4 of Tenth Planet *after* episodes one to three have been 
released) they will provide some sort of service for those who have
already lashed out on the video, such as just releasing the found
episode on a cheaper, shorter cassette in addition to the whole thing,
or some sort of upgrade scheme where owners of cassettes send them
back and get the complete version for a couple of quid.

Is this the reason people are loathe to buy incomplete stories. It's 
certainly my reason....

Happy Halibut IV

(Who has got a .sig but it's far to long to include without annoying
everyone)

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From: borad@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David J Richardson)
Subject: BBB $$$?
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:22:35 GMT


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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: cheap Who videos again
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:47:44 GMT

Concerning the $14.95 videos I mentioned: I gave the wrong impression. It's
not just a catalog you can order from. It's a book club that you have to be
a member of. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to be a member. You buy 3 books for
$3 and there is no further commitment. Quit any time you want. Unfortunately,
it's not a massive book selection. Perhaps if every person who joins asks for
Doctor Who books, they will make them available...?

Anyway, once you are in the club, you can buy the Who videos for $14.95. It's
still a great deal. When new releases are made, I think I can hold out and
save a few dollars on each.

P.S. Shipping is added to the $14.95.

Tom
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