HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Arindam's Posts (continued)
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:32:44 GMT


This is a sequel to my posting on Arindam's Preachings on the
net! A specific netter has raised the issue of whether we are
being sufficiently tolerant of other faiths and whether sci
has to specifically deal with Hinduism!

Sci does not specifically deal with Hinduism, nor should it!
Philosophical underpinnings of all religions are welcome, including
Satanic cults, as long as the subject is articulated in an accomplished
manner! We are not against theological discourse!

Do Arindam's postings belong to the regime of theological discourses? 

In the Indic system of metaphysics, there are norms established
to propound metaphysical thought! These start with axioms, reasoning
systems, properties exhibited by the systems, discounting of the other
reasoning systems, and a demonstration of properties by examples.
Most of the time, the reasoning systems are analogical, for the
axiomatization is that of a Universe which is chaotic (unstructured), 
discontinuous(without any limit properties), ever-expanding (always
infinite), and always possessing infinitely many experienciables(finitary 
systems). The logical basis for this discourse is pretty established.
Whichever theological system one takes, whether semetic or indic, there
are some basic archetypes used in the discourses.

If Arindam Ghosh tried to convey the Bahai faith with these archetypes
or any novel ones, then we can follow such intellectual thought. Instead
he continuously dished out material, with scriptures either quoted out of
context or quoted from less than authoritative sources, without establishing
a connection to the exploration of the Universe.

One may still give consideration and say that what Arindam Ghosh writes
is in the traditions of KrishnaBhagavatism. But KrishnaBhagavatism (alias
devotionalism) has been systematized into the vedantic tradition by
Ramanuja Charya (in Vishistadvaita siddhanta) and his followers
Vedantha Desikan and Lanca Charya! There were prior attempts by other
philosophers, which was developed upon by Ramanuja. When KrishnaBhagavatism 
is viewed this way, it removes Krishna from its pivatal role, and brings
forth the quint essence of vedantic thought that of the equation between the
Self and the Universe.

We can still go further in our consideration, and say that what Arindam 
Ghosh does is in the true devotional traditions of Thyagaraja, Annamaya,
Purandara Dasa,Jayadeva, and others (notable among them is MS Subba Lakshmi!). 
But in all this devotionalism (where Krishna is the basis), the conveyed 
psyche is that Krishna is the Universe and the subject views the Universe in 
its full glory, not as a teacher or a prophet or a guru!
 
But all the posts of Arindam fall much sort of this inquiry. Only one
thing comes out, that of Bahanullah with no theological content, at least
from what he writes! 

...kt
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:28:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Indian women, having a problem finding an Indian man?  I am about to 
launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks to the 
imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 280 men and 155 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: myadav@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Mahesh Yadav)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NEWS(old):INSAT-2A sends weather pictures
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:23:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


		INSAT-2A SENDS WEATHER PICTURES
		===============================

Times of India Aug,5,1992
The Times of India News Service
NEW DELHI, Aug 4:

	The indigenous multi-purpose satellite, INSAT-2A has started sending 
high-quality cloud cover pictures of the country and other payloads are also
working well.

	Consequently, India will terminate the lease of 12 transponders on 
ABABSAT and switch-over those operations to INSAT-2A on August 8. The
satellite, launched by the Ariane rocket from Kourou islands in the French 
Guyana on July 10, was parked at its space home at nearly 36,000 km from the 
earth surface last Friday.

	Indian space research organisation sources said all the equipment 
abroad have been switched on and are working well, yesterday ISRO scientists
carried out some communication experiments. The satellite is likely to be 
declared operational on August 15.

	India leased 12 transponders on ARABSAT at a cost $1 million per 
transformer for every year in 1989, following the unexpected failure of 
INSAT-1C. The transponders were hired as an emergency measure for four years to
back-up INSAT-1B till INSAT-1D was launched in 1990.

	Infact, now with the advanced features on INSAT-2A, eight transponders
would do the job of 12 on ARABSAT, ISRO sources said Arab countries are happy 
to get back the transponders as they are facing shortage of capacity due to 
some operational difficulties in their other satellite.

	The India meteorological department (IMD) here recieved the first 
cloud pictures, similar to the one from INSAT-1D shown on Doordarshan news 
every night, last week.

	An indigenously-made very high resolution radiometerr (VHRR) takes 
measurements of the cloud. INSAT-1 series had imported VHRRs on board. 
Sophisticated computers at the master control facility, Hasan and the IMD here 
converts these into high quality pictures.

	Last week, even before the satellite had reached its space home 
scientists operated the VHRR and got good pictures. Earlier, the IMD  used to
get the pictures through the earth station at Sikandrabad in Bulandshahr 
district near Delhi.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar )
Subject: Re: Indian babes ....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:20:56 GMT

ailawadi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sameer Ailawadi) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.201435.695@sol.cs.wmich.edu> bhingard@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Siddharth Bhingarde) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.181020.27665@udel.edu>, godura@zeus.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura) writes:
>>> In article <rich07.713909947@milton> rich07@milton.u.washington.edu (Jon Jochem) writes:
>>> >
>>> >Are Indian babes horny?
>>> >
>>> 
>>>   Toone angrezi mein jo likha : mujhe thoda samajh mein aaya.
>>>   Nahin, mere Amreeki/ABCD  bhai, Bharat mein bachchon ke sar pe seengh nahin
>>>   hote -- ye apni mehnat se bade hokar America aate hain.
>>
>>What has that got to do with being or not being horny?
>>
>>> 
>>>   Luv,
>>> 
>>>   Ruchir.
>>
>>Siddharth

>I think I am kinda lost . What's happening in this discussion anyway?

Siddharth did not get Ruchir's pun.

Ruchir talked about Indian babies
having horns on their heads!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:12:00 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Khalistan and GOP


All the statements the Bush State Department has made have been
against Khalistan.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dpunjabi@nyx.cs.du.edu (DINESH PUNJABI)
Subject: Need info on Hindi film songs on video for kids ( please help )
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 03:26:47 GMT


I am looking for places that carry children's film songs on Video from
old or new HINDI movies.

Are there any such tapes available in Indian video stores/libraries in
your neck of the woods ??

YOUR EMAIL RESPONSES WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED ....


Rgds

Dinesh
--

===============================================================================
Dinesh Punjabi
email: dpunjabi@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rramu@eng.clemson.edu (N. V. Ramu)
Subject: TEST
Reply-To: rramu@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:41:25 GMT


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THIS IS JUST  A TEST

THANKS
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.Indian or Islam or Hinduism??
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:09:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug13.174347.17728@uceng.UC.EDU>, rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU 
(raj bhatnagar) writes...
>In article <1992Aug13.160353.8325@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>...... (deleted) ........ 
>The "eternal religion" is to permit each individual to establish
>his/her "protocol" with his/her spiritual conceptualizations and
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>....... (deleted) .....

 I think what Raj is saying here is ABSOLUTELY TRUE ! In fact, in the famous
 Yog-Vasistha Ramayana - something exactly what Raj is saying, has been 
 described. Arindam is not getting the message, I believe. God resides within
 EVERYBODY. This is attained as the realization of the Supreme. The concept of
 the Supreme is defined as: " Atmanang-biddhi " - know thyself. How you are
 going to know, is entirely upto you. Also at this stage one can, as Raj puts
 it, choose any protocol. It simply does not matter. Prophets like Christ are
 messengers of this eternal message. They have attained this consciousness. Now
 as I know, Hinduism does not define any kind of protocol to attain this. Nor
 are `followers' are asked to do this and that. If you are conscious, you don't
 need anything. The guru/ diksha are not necessary. The guru, in fact, helps you
 to see the correct path, if you cannot see it by yourself. An excellent example
 is the story of Ekalabbyya of Mahabharata. (I think Arindam you will see what I
 am trying so say here.) More esoteric discussions can continue from this very
 interesting point, but, I choose to leave it here.

>The social order is a thing different from the above "protocol."

 I THINK THAT I WILL TAKE RAJ's VIEWPOINT.

>--- raj

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: India successfully launches missile
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:17:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.201033.25732@midway.uchicago.edu> trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes:
>crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>
>
>Oh no,
>a really successful missile would steal other people's land for you;

e.g. India controlling Kashmir 

>then make sure they are never empowered, 

is everyone in your land empowered?

>and a nation of homeless;
>and a nation of unemployed;
>and a nation of sexually-abused children;
>.

I guess there are no homeless/unemployed/sexually-abused children in India

Seems like someone already successfully launched a missile against India.
You have all the prescience of a wandering buck in hunting season.  Think
about what you write before you post, or else you'll be just another
spike-buck trophy on my den wall.

Ed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Curious observation,: Pibroch
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:26:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.173039.7596@newshub.sdsu.edu> sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang) writes:

>As a matter of fact there were a couple of definitions or
>explanations to pibroch relating to bagpipes and albums that had 'em.
>I was just relating to those postings when I posted the definition on
>Pibroch...So George, I wasn't responding to your definition of pibroch
>or your discussion at all.

Speedy backpedalling eh?

>   Again, I was not inflicting the family story on the general public.
>I was merely quoting an old saying. By the way there are a few people on the
>net who find these family stories posted quite intresting. Foe example the
>stories posted by Paul chemanoor are good and a lot of people like them.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? I merely pointed out that I
blenched at the thought of sharing cosy little family sayings. I made
no suggestion that either you, or anyone else, should refrain from
being vulgar.

>For those who don't the news reader program has the very familiar N key or
>the kill files. I quite couldn't understand why Paul chemanoor used to
>respond to your posts but Now I do....

I am aware of the features of news reading software and suggest that
you do not attempt to patronise me ineffectually. I also note that you
have taken the liberty of speaking for Paul Chemmanoor. You must
indeed be confident of your ability to interpret his thoughts.

George
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Keywords: Is it just me amd why not HE?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:40:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <susanc.714237418@keckiris> susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
.
.
.
>On a related note, I have always felt rather sorry for the limited
>clothing options available to men. After all, we can pick up a 
>kurta-pyjama or a lungi and appear in public without creating much 
>excitement, even in India. And you poor guys are restricted to 
>trousers and shirts, year in, year out. It must get boring occasionally.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>But perhaps women are so used to the wide world of choice, (if only
>in clothing) that these restrictions seem claustrophobic only in 
>comparison with their own freedom?
>

	Actually lungi makes for a nice androgynous garb, doesn't it?
	("Is that a long kilt?") Speaking of androgyny, (I probably
	will regret saying this) why aren't there more types of
	clothing that both sexes can share? Wouldn't that be the
	ultimate, nonsexist thing to do?

							- Nagarajan
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@utkvx4.utk.edu (S. KANAKA RAJ)
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:14:00 GMT
From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Curious observation,: Pibroch
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:30:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

George W Chacko (gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: 
: I think you've missed the point of the pibroch discussion if there ever
: was one. The definition of pibroch wasn't really in question.
: 

As a matter of fact there were a couple of definitions or explanations
to pibroch relating to bagpipes and albums that had 'em. I was just relating
to those postings when I posted the definition on Pibroch...
So George, I wasn't responding to your definition of pibroch or your discussion
at all. 

: >At this point I remember an old saying that my Grandfather used to tell me:
: >It went like this: A guilty conscience is the first to react even without
: >                   being accused.
: 
: He sounds like an extremely sagacious person. I on the other hand,
: can't respond in kind because I find myself unequal to the task of
: inflicting family stories on the general public.  

   Again, I was not inflicting the family story on the general public.
I was merely quoting an old saying. By the way there are a few people on the
net who find these family stories posted quite intresting. Foe example the
stories posted by Paul chemanoor are good and a lot of people like them.
For those who don't the news reader program has the very familiar N key or
the kill files. I quite couldn't understand why Paul chemanoor used to
respond to your posts but Now I do....

Srinath.
: 
: George
: 

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Srinath Sarang
sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu

I Don't believe what I say, and whatever I say is wrong.....
								SS 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: punati@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (yashodhar.punati)
Subject: HINDU MARRIAGES
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:29:39 GMT
Keywords: Horoscope, Gothram, Muhurtham

I would like to see opinions, thoughts and/or discussions about
the following topics related to Hindu Marriages:


1. How many of you got married  (or know of people who got married)
   in the traditional Hindu ceremony without bothering
   about a) Horoscopes b) Gothram etc..

2. The Muhurthams for the weddings that I came across in Andhra Pradesh
   are usually like: 2:38pm or 11:34am etc. I wonder how such PRECISE
   times are arrived at?? Even if one were to assume that these are really
   the times that are auspicious for the couple getting married, whose
   Watch are we to follow? The priest's or the Bride' or the Bridegroom's??

At my wedding, I remember, the priest asked ME if it was time for the
muhurtham. So, if my watch were slow or fast or if I  had forgotten to
subtract the 15 minutes (which I had set my watch to be ahead  of the 
correct time)
-- my marriage would have been a disaster!!! (Yeah Right!!)


Yashodhar Punati
-- 
/*  yp@alux2.att.com "All opinions are mine, not my employer's"     

 "In the beginning, man created beer, and it was good. God was   
  created shortly thereafter." Gospel According to Brew, 1:1      */
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 20:51:51 CDT
From: <U15084@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:    Help! Help! Help! in Dayton

My friend Sukumar is coming next week to study in Dayton...since neither of
us knows anybody in Dayton we'd very much appreciate any form of help..
such as helping him find cheap accomodation in and around the university
area or show us the ropes.....
Please do reply to me at the above e-mail address
Khalid Ibrahim ... Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes)
Subject: Need list of foreign software houses in India
Reply-To: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:32:08 GMT

Hello netters,

	I am looking for a list of *foreign* companies involved in software
development in India. Please reply my mail. I will summarize and post on the
net.

	Thanks a bunch.

Chetan Nagappa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: 10702830@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RAJIB DATTA)
Subject: Re: Indian babes ....
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.171456.10690@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
>Subject: Re: Indian babes ....
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:14:56 GMT
>In article <10702830.11.714019516@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10702830@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RAJIB DATTA) writes:
>>In article <rich07.713909947@milton> rich07@milton.u.washington.edu (Jon Jochem) writes:
>>>From: rich07@milton.u.washington.edu (Jon Jochem)
>>>Subject: Indian babes ....
>>>Date: 15 Aug 92 20:19:07 GMT
>>>
>>>Are Indian babes horny?
>>
>>
>>Too hot for anyone but Indians.
>
>I think you mean 'Hot for anyone EXCEPT Indians'.
>
>Rakesh Patel
sorry, you are right. that's exactly what i meant!
From: naina@eng.umd.edu ('Mohammed Rafay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Love
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:18:03 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naina@delorean.eng.umd.edu

Love is the blossoming of a garden in your heart. It fills your soul 
with its fragrance.

Love is the light at the end of a dark tunnel.

Love is a fruit, one must taste to know it;
Endure, to feel it
Strive, to seek it;

When in love, initially you are flying in the air, then most of the time
you are walking on air with a smile on your face. 
I don't know what happens after this, your guess is as good as mine!!!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:28026 soc.culture.pakistan:13624
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Secularism
Date: 13 Aug 1992 16:08:18 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <16ec6bINNsrr@quality.hal.COM> sankar@hal.COM (Sankar Bandy) writes:
:The idea of 'Living in peace' does not conflict with that of 
:evolution, precisely because they point to two different levels
:or aspects of the same thing. Birdheads like you who don't understand
			       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:and don't try to understand the subtle features of a scientific law
:try to malign it like this by presenting half-truths. The survival
:questions is at two levels. 1) At the level of the human specis and 
:the other 2) at the level of individuals.
:		[rest deleted]


Sorry wrong number. [I don't take personal calls. I think  I have
yet to "evolve" myself to come at "your" level where one can not
even converse with equanimity.]
From: krishnan@ra.csc.ti.com (Srinivasan Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Why India abstained from endorsing the use of force?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:48:44 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <1992Aug14.135903.1653@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> vallamn@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>
>Chi and Sow are both written in the case of the bride.
>
>The practice of marrying a young woman to a much older man
>came much much later ( I was told that this practice evolved
>after foreign invaders started coming into India from the 
>Samarkhand region, anyone know more about this ? ). 
>By the 19th century it became quite widespread.
>
>Mohan Vallampati
>Adv Manuf Systems Research Center
>University of Cincinnati
>Cincinnati, OH 45221
>--------------------------------------
>


The United Nation security council voted yesterday that force could be 
used to deleiver humanitarian aid to Bosnia Hercegovina with three 
abstensions namely India, China, and Zimbabwe.  


Though India's abstensions may look strange to many, I think it made a
wise decision.  India always held that the war in erstwhile Yougoslavia
is a civil war.  If India had voted to use force, then Pakistan and its other
allies could very well bring the issue of Kashmir and ask for U.N intervention
to solve the problem which could have put PVN in a tight corner with all the
political instability at home. By NOT endorsing the use of force, India
atleast has made herself consistent and probably has avoided a political
minefield temporarily. It is a wise decision given all the problems and 
the choices we have.  

Any comments???

Krishnan
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: alt.test...
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:20:31 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

Please post test messages in alt.test...



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