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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins News - 8/17/92
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:37:51 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

The Redskins lost to San Francisco 49ers yesterday, by the score of
17-15.  The game was played at Wembley Stadium in London, England.

The game was only a preseason game, and there are three weeks to go
before the games mean anything.  The Redskins are 0-3 in the preseason
for the first time in 10 years.  The Redskins play against Los Angeles
Rams next Saturday at Los Angeles.

So far, the Redskins' first team defense hasn't allowed any point in
the preseason.  It was the second and third team defense that allowed
the points.

Joe Gibbs, knowing that the Redskins may face the 49ers in the playoffs
later this season, kept most of the offense under wraps, but there were
some brilliant moments.  However, the second and third team offensive
and defensive teams in the second half left a lot to be desired.

"The second half was about as bad as I've seen us in a long time," Gibbs
said.  "That wasn't just the rookies in there, and we have reason to
be concerned."

The Redskins led 12-0 at halftime, and fell behind 14-12 early in the
fourth quarter.  Chip Lohmiller kicked a 45-yard field goal to put the
Redskins ahead 15-14, but Steve Bono rallied his team to a 10-play,
48-yard drive that ended with a 48-yard field goal.  The final score
was 17-15.

Redskins tackle Jim Lachey is still unsigned, tackle Ed Simmons is
recovering from knee surgery, guard Mark Adickes is out with a back 
injury, and guard Russ Grimm has retired.  Simmons is expected to play
against the Raiders next Saturday.

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Jim Lachey:
OT Jim Lachey is becoming a concern to the Redskins management.  They
are far apart, and the Redskins have told Lachey that they will begin
reducing their offer by 1/16th every week starting Monday.  The Redskins
say that Lachey needs to play at least two preseason games to be ready
for the Dallas game.

The Redskins increased their offer to Lachey last week, and they have
a chance to close the deal by this week.  Lachey's agent, Leig Steinberg,
will be in Carlisle, PA, on Monday and probably will discuss the deal
with General Manager Charley Casserly.

Source: The Washington Post, August 17, 1992

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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:41:43 GMT

>>- Steve Young played the first half and looked so-so;  Steve Bono
>>  played the second half and looked great.  I'm getting close to
>>  wanting Bono as #2 on the depth chart.
>
>Remember that Young was going against the Skins 1st-team defense, while
>Bono was up against the second and third stringers.

I hear this kind of statement made all the time and I'm not sure how
significant it is. Don't forget that Bono also had the second and
third string OL in front of him as well as having the second and
third string receivers to throw to.

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From: dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU (David Brown)
Subject: Oiler prospects?
Summary: Oiler prospects?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:30:49 GMT

have any of the young players in Oilers' training camp shown signs of 
contributing this year?  I am particularly interested to hear news about 
Eddie Robinson, Corey Harris, or any of last year's rookie db's (Dumas,
Jackson, Lewis).

Thanks,
Oiler fan lost in Donkeyland ( Where no news is the rule, unless Elway's hangnail is acting up)
?
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Head Coaches
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:39:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095F0A7.07CD7DC0
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Hi there
If anyone knows the names of the head coaches of
the following teams please post/email.

Indianapolis Colts
New England Patriots
Pittsburgh Steelers
Seattle Seahawks
Phoenix Cardinals

thanks a lot.
bye,

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Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:52:13 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Steelers back?
	<1992Aug12.135557.12282@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa

>I think if you would have seen the game you would have gotten a different 
>impression of both Randall and the offensive line. Randall looked good
>after being out for a year. Two thoughts, although he went 1 for 3, one pass 

Greg, 

I was AT the game and I was NOT impressed.  He look goog for being out a
year - you are right about that.  But he did not look good for being a
starting QB in the NFL this year.  I'm sure he will improve as the
preseason and regular season wear on, but as for now, his performance
level is not impressive.

Todd
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Packer News
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:16:13 GMT

The Packers signed Perry Kemp and Lester Archambeau yesterday,
reducing the number of holdouts to 8.  IMO, Archambeau should
challenge for the starting right DE position now that Patterson
is out for the year.  Kemp's holdout may have cost him a roster
spot, given the number of young receivers the Packers have.

The Packers holdouts are now: Ruettgers, Moran, Noble, Tomczak,
Jackie Harris, Paup, Robert Brown, and Buckley.  With Detmer's 
strong showing in camp, Tomczak appears to have lost his job.
Both Holmgren and Wolf are very impressed with Detmer.  Moran
and Noble are reportedly close to signing.

Tidbits from a radio interview with Ron Wolf (to the best of my memory):
   -  "No progress has been made with signing Buckley"
   -  "Detmer has the best grasp of the Packer system of all QBs"
   -  "The Packers will trade holdout players if adequate compensation
        is offered" - Braatz's policy was to not trade holdouts on the
        fear that this may cause a rash of holdouts from players who
        want to leave Green Bay.
   -  "The Packers depth is better than he anticipated" - He didn't
        say which positions in pariticular.
   -  "No running back has assumed the 'featured' role yet, although
        someone is getting close" - again he didn't say who.
   -  "Some of the holdouts want far too much money considering
        the team was 4-12 last year" - one can assume he means
        Ruettgers and Moran, two already overpaid lineman, and possibly
        Noble and Brown.

Todd
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packer news Ruettgers status
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 AUG 92 08:55:53    

Kenny Ruettgers' agent has worked out a deal with the Raiders that 
would send Ruettgers to LA.  The deal would send a veteran Raiders 
player to GB.  I'd be surprized if the Raiders just spontaneously 
offered what the Packers would consider fair compensation.  (If they 
did they're not very good bargainers.)  Don't expect this deal to 
happen.

Ruettgers *has* been given permission to talk to other teams - which, 
of course, is meaningless.

Some players agents have accused the Packers negotiator, Mike 
Reinfeld, of being too inflexable.  I doubt it.  The Packers, in 
general, pay more than what you'd expect if you factor in the relative 
talent level of the players.  Packer players generally paid more than 
the going rate.

Ruettgers, for instance, was asking for more than $1 million.  There's 
no way he could get that anywhere else.  I think he'd have trouble 
getting the $750K he made in 1991.  I would assume the Packers 
offered him the standard 10% raise putting him at $825K for 1992.

Below is a list of Packer holdouts:

   Player             1991  Asking   Offered
-- ------------------ ----- -------  -------
QB Mike Tomczak       $550K    ?        ?
WR Perry Kemp         $375K    ?        ?
TE Jacke Harris       $125K    ?        ?
OT Ken Ruettgers      $750K  $1.1 M     ?
OT Reggie Singletary  $170K    ?        ?
G  Rich Moran         $675K    ?        ?
DE Lester Archambeau  $90K     ?        ?
LB Brian Noble        $600K    ?        ?
LB Brice Paup         $100K    ?        ?
CB Terrell Buckley      NA   $2.3 M   $1.3 M

I'm sure some of these players will be paid substancially more than 
they were in 1991.  Paup and Archambeau, for instance, deserve big 
raises.  With one exception, we don't know what the Packers have 
offered the players so we don't know if they're being unreasonable.  
On the other hand, I think Tomczak, Ruettgers, and Buckley are being 
unreasonable.

It may already be too late for Tomczak.  If he signed today I doubt 
he'd make the final roster.  This staff is not one to keep a mediocre 
veteran over a promising rookie.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: A good laugh for Fin fans
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:53:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.163837.16454@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.171139.2239@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>Guess who is injured and sitting on the bench? Guess which RB can't
>>play much yet? 
>>
>>Sammie Smith!!! I can hardly stand it! What a hoot. How do you like
>>him Denver?
>>
>>Tony (go new england) Travaglini
>>tech@cs.ucf.edu
>
>I wouldn't start the laughter track just yet Tony, looks like Mark Higgs and
>Bobby Humphrey both got dinged in the Denver game this weekend. Don't know
>the extent of the injuries yet, I just caught a glimpse on Sports Center.
>Actually Mark Higgs didn't get his against Denver it was Dallas, hemmoraged
>quadriceps is what I heard. Didn't hear the nature of Bobby's ding though. It
>supposedly happened in the first half. Anybody see the game? I had to go to a
>stupid family reunion with my in-laws and missed it all :~( ugh! And of
>course I forgot to program the VCR before we left, what a great weekend, NOT!
>I'm hoping this is not a scalpel type injury, how I hate it when that happens.
>
>See ya.
>
>John T.
>-- 
>My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
>Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
>and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
>presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman

Just sore ribs.  He got smashed in the back pretty good.

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sources? (Was Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl)?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:13:43 GMT
Organization: Chevron

(Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>>Rob
>>-- 
>>Worst pickup line:
>>Your bangs do a good job of covering up your lobotomy stitches.
>>
>Hey!!  I tried that and it worked!!!
>
>BTW, shouldn't you quote the source from which it came??  I saw that in a
>Calvin and Hobbes comic once.
>
>This has no place in r.s.f.p, but I don't care!!!

Are you kidding?  C&H has UNIVERSAL NET SOVEREIGNTY.

Worship Calvin, Hobbes, & MORA NOW ..........

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From: fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Organization: Xerox PARC

> In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.
    No question:
	The "muff" rule on fumbles.

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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: FFL Team name
Organization: unify
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:46:03 GMT

Help! I need suggestions for my FFL team name.  The team name will start with:
  Sacramento or Texas.  I'd like to hear any suggestions. Send them to
  tsv@unify.com

  Tim.

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: You want to see a REAL stud?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:23:48 GMT

You want to see a REAL stud?  The Dolphin's rookie LB (or is he a
DE?) Marco Coleman will give Cornelius Bennet,  Bruce Smith,  and
Steve Entmann (sp?) a SERIOUS run for the title of "top defensive
stud" in the AFC East.  This guy can cover backs, man-to-man, out
of the backfield; absolutely destroy your running game from side-
line to sideline; overpower Offensive Tackles;  AND flat out rush
the passer. I can't recall him taking it easy on any plays either.
This kid is awesome.  I see this week's match-up between the Dol-
phins and the Bucaneers as,  possibly,  the most serious test the
Wyche era Bucaneers will face this pre-season because I think Don
Shula is going to re-take his old seat,  atop the AFC East,  this
season.
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/12/92
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:22:08 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>>
>>Actually, both [Wilson and Williams] are defensive tight ends;
>>the Redskins has too many
>>tight ends right now, and Gibbs moved both to the offensive tackle where
>>the Redskins are lacking due to holdout and injury.  Don't know of this
>>is temporary or permanent yet.
>
>Er...I can't find anything in the above that is correct.

Boy, I'm getting all mixed up.  Let me try to straighten this up.

Wilson and Williams actually were defensive tackles last year.  Because
the Redskins' offensive tackle corp is thin right now with Elewonibi
and Simmons injured and Lachey holding out, and also because the Redskins 
have plenty of defensive tackles this year, Coach Joe Gibbs moved Bobby 
Wilson to offensive tackle.  I think this move is only temporary.

I am confused about Eric Williams' position now; I am not sure if Wilson
is replacing Williams at defensive tackle or what.  Simmons was supposed
to be back at offensive tackle this week, so this may be the explanation
for Wilson's replacing Williams at defense tackle.

My apologies for the confusion.

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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: POOL - Picks for Preseason Week #4 - DUE FRIDAY!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:14:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.171118.15931@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>Preseason Week 4
>----------------
>
>PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!
>
>Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
>subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
>your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
>word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
>questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
>still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
>"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
>send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.
>
>WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
>	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
>	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.
>
>This form is due at 5pm PDT (12MID GMT (Sat)) on Friday, Aug 21.  NO EXCEPTIONS!
>
>Do not remove anything below this line!
>
> WT  Away                       Home
>*------------------------------------------------*
>[10] [x] San Francisco		[ ] San Diego
>[ 7] [ ] Houston		[x] New Orleans
>[10] [x] Washington		[ ] LA Raiders
>[ 7] [ ] New England		[x] Detroit
>[ 5] [ ] Indianapolis		[x] Cincinnati
>[ 7] [x] NY Giants		[ ] NY Jets
>[ 7] [ ] Tampa Bay		[x] Miami
>[ 5] [ ] Green Bay		[x] LA Rams
>[ 5] [ ] Denver		[x] Dallas
>[10] [x] Phoenix		[ ] Seattle
>[ 7] [ ] Philadelphia		[x] Atlanta
>[10] [ ] Pittsburgh		[x] Chicago
>[ 5] [ ] Minnesota		[x] Cleveland
>[ 5] [ ] Buffalo		[x] Kansas City
>
>Initials: PGB
>
>DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: players union was Re: No Draft Next Year?!
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:12:31 GMT


I remember Gene Upshaw talking as though he was the head of an 
organizaion when the McNeil trial started. The owners were even talking as 
if they could negotiate a settlement. Is there something now that 
represents the players collectively even it's not called a union?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 06:14:09 GMT

 1991   Desmond Howard, Michigan               Washington
 1990   Ty Detmer, Brigham Young               Green Bay
 1989   Andrew Ware, Houston                   Detroit
 1988   Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State          Detroit
 1987   Tim Brown, Notre Dame                  Raiders
 1986   Vinny Testaverde, Miami                Tampa Bay
 1985   Bo Jackson, Auburn                     Nike
 1984   Doug Flutie, Boston College            CFL
 1983   Mike Rozier, Nebraska                  Atlanta ?????                  
 1982   Herschel Walker, Georgia               Philadelphia
 1981   Marcus Allen, USC                      Raiders
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Arenaball playoffs
Keywords: scores, Arenabowl 92
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:25:08 GMT
Organization: Chevron

(nicholas.j.sauer) writes:
>
>Arena Football League final standings (Divisional standings in brackets):
>
>South:
>
>Orlando Predators       9-1  (5-1)
>Tampa Bay Storm         9-1  (5-1)
>Charlotte Rage          3-7  (2-4)
>New Orleans Night       0-10  (0-6)
             ^^^^^       ^^^^

Well, the Aint's they ain't.  
How about calling them the New Orleans NOT!?

Just curious.


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From: al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: instant replay
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

DR>Nothing is more frustrating than getting screwed by a bad call that would
DR>obviously be overturned by the replay.

I initially thought instant replay was a good idea because of the reason
cited above. Then I found that what I considered "obvious bad calls that
would be reversed" were instead ruled "inconclusive", unoverturnable
because of an "inadvertent" whistle, or not reviewed at all for 
unknown reasons.

Remember the Denver at Kansas City game last year?

Elway threw a TD when the replay clearly showed he was TWO yards over the
line of scrimmage. The replay was ruled "inconclusive", and the Broncos
went on to win the key game. After the game an official told Schottenheimer
that the replay was inconclusive because they only had the view from
an endzone camera. How could that be? 

The first time their is a play like that this year everyone will be
crying that the replay rule would have allowed justice, but it just
isn't so! In fact the replay is only a slap in the face of the slighted
team. Instead of having one bad call go against them, they also get to
have an absurd replay ruling go against them as well.


                                            Al 
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