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From: panco@athena.mit.edu (F J Madero)
Subject: Re: Henry Ford Era (Mexico? Paraiso ...)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:43:50 GMT


>|>  
>|> Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey Campus Queretaro
>|> Henry Ford #10
>   ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>A mi lo que me puso a reflexionar fue la calle : "Henry Ford", porque
>no la bautizaron con algo mas nacionalista como las tipicas "Ave. Madero",
>"Calle Zapata",..o hasta "Ave. Lopez Portillo" 

A mi el nombre de Henry Ford se me hace muy adecuado para un lugar donde vas a
poner un instituto tecnologico. No solo la obra de Ford es mas relevante para
muchos ingenieros que lo que hayan echo muchos politicos, sino que yo creo que es
justo reconocer que la gente que crea industrias y empleos genera un gran
beneficio para la sociedad. Por cierto, la costumbre de poner calles con nombres
de empresarios no es del todo poco comun al menos en Massachsetts:

Por aqui cerca de MIT, a unas cuantas cuadras, hay una calle que llama Blv. Edwin
Land, que fue el que invento las peliculas que se revelan solas y fundo la
Polaroid. Entre las muchas cosas que ademas hiso (sacar como 50 patentes, mas o
menos), alguna vez le dono a MIT un buen billete para que empesara un programa
que es muy popular por estos lugares: el UROP u Undergraduate Research
Oportunities Program, en que se alienta a los maestros investigadores de MIT a
que contraten estudiantes de bachillerato para que hagan investigacion con ellos,
muchas veces desde el primer a~o de la carrera.  MIT fue la primera universidad
en institucionalizar este tipo de contratos, que luego se han copiadio en muchos
lados. Segun lei alguna vez, lo que pasa es que el Sr Land invento sus peliculas
autorrevelables mientras estudiaba la carrera en Harvard, y nunca se graduo
porque se fue a poner su compa~ia. Pero siempre se quedo con la idea de que no se
necesitaba ser PhD para hacer buenas contribuciones cientificas o tecnologicas, y
que habia que darle la oportunidad a los estudiantes de carrera (que muchas veces
son los mas motivados) a que hicieran investigacion.

En lo que si estoy de acuerdo con Alonso es en que desafortunademente no abundan
los Henry Fords mexicanos.

Francisco
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: rjsalvad@iastate.edu (Ricardo J Salvador)
Subject: Re: Nombres Auto'ctonos
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:02:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.172341.29312@cbnewse.cb.att.com> mexico-l@tecmtyvm.mty.itesm.mx writes:

>  Deni'   = Flor

Esta palabra no es na'huatl (en el cual no existe el sonido "D")

>  Citlali = Estrella
>
>  Aqui estan otros pero todavia tengo que buscar el significado...
>
>  Nayeli

"Te Quiero" en zapoteco

>  Xochitl  (creo que tambien significa Flor)

Si.

>  Nonantzin

Significa "mi madrecita," y se usa o de cari~o para la verdadera mama'
de uno, o se usaba antiguamente para referirse a la madre de los dioses,
Omeci'huatl, y en la actualidad para referirse a la vi'rgen de Guadalupe.
Por lo general, no se usa como nombre propio de gente.

Hasta moztla,
Ricardo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From:         Jacques Guy <j.guy@TRL.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Mas nombres (de s.c.m)
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Universidad de Zaragoza Espana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:36:41 GMT

Por favor, ?que' sonidos representan w, v, z en Zapoteco?
Y la "g", "d", y "g",
son los mismos que en Castellano en medio a vocales, es
decir, fricativos, o son obstruentes, como en France's?

Jacques Guy (j.guy@trl.oz.au)

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From: victor@honet4.att.com
Subject: Re: Martha Stone/Concheros
Reply-To: nahuat-l@acc.fau.edu
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:25:50 GMT


In message <m0mLzgA-0001ttC@sdf.LoneStar.ORG> John Trimble writes:

>Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I should further 
>pursue my interest in Concheros--magazine articles, books, etc?


   One other source, albeit hard to find, is the work of Frances
 Toor. During the years 1927-1935, she edited the magazine
 _Mexican Folkways_, with Diego Rivera in charge of the artistic
 editing. This magazine, nine volumes in all, was later abridged
 into a book with the same title and published around the year
 1945. The book contains additional references, although a bit
 dated (~ 1941) and probably not easy to find, except perhaps
 at the UNAM.

>Many thanks for replying by email to 
>jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org

             Good luck

             Victor

Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: "Ricardo J. Salvador" <rjsalvad@iastate.edu>
Subject: Estudios de Cultura Nahuatl Table of Contents
Reply-To: nahuat-l@ACC.FAU.EDU
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:26:51 GMT

Nahuatlatatinime:

CARL, my online bibliographical database of choice does not carry "Estudios
de Cultura Nahuatl."  I am therefore assembling my own table of contents
database and have been able to piece together most of the issues with the
help of friends and our own library's collection.  However, I am still
lacking vols. 1,2,3, and 8.  If any of you have access to these issues
and could mail or fax me the _Table of Contents_ I would very much
appreciate it.  I think that the Centro de Estudios de Cultura Nahuatl
published a bibliographical summary of the first 10 volumes, but our
library did not receive it.

What I plan to do is distribute a sorted list of all entries on nahuat-l
once I've completed the entire collection up to Vol. 21.  I think many
of you would find it useful.  Even in its incomplete state I've found
the current database I've built very helpful.

BTW, if needed my fax number is 515-294-3163.  It is a communal machine,
so if you transmit anything for me it needs to be plainly directed to
my attention on the cover page.

Tlazoh camati.

Ricardo Salvador      | Internet:   rjsalvad@IASTATE.EDU | "Thou art a little
1126 Agronomy Hall    | BITNET:     a1.rjs@ISUMVS        | soul bearing about
Iowa State University | CompuServe: 71570,212            | a corpse."
Ames, IA 50011-1010   | GEnie:      R.Salvador           | -Marcus  Aurelius-

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From: rjsalvad@iastate.edu (Ricardo J Salvador)
Subject: Re: AYUDA
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.220306.3394@cbnewse.cb.att.com> vmg@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Usenet News) writes:

> Por supuesto, se puede usar el nombre del dia en el tonalamatl
> a la usanza antigua. Este viernes corresponde al dia 1-Venado,
> i.e, Mazatzin. Si nace el Miercoles 9, correspondera al dia
> Mallinali, o su version castellanizada de Malinche, aunque
> no seria buena onda ;-), asi como tampoco para el dia 7,
> correspondiente al dia 4-Izcuintli, o el dia 8 correspondiente
> al dia 5-Ozomatli (mono). Aunque hay alguien por ahi que le
> gusta sobrenombrarse Ozomaton. :-) 

Ozomaton Pachontic (Monito Peludo), que proviene de un sobrenombre
que me pusieron en maya unos amigos : Chan Ma'ax = "monito."  :).

Hasta moztla,
Ricardo



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From:         Daniel German <dmg@CS.WM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Administracion
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: College of William and Mary, VA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:27:59 GMT

Acerca de la contrataci'on de cient'ificos extranjeros en
M'exico, mi pregunta es:


 Por que ?????? no repatrian a tantos mexicanos que andan por
el mundo esperando que en M'exico se den condiciones necesarias
para hacer investigaci'on?

 Por que como algunos han comentado se mandan traer residuos cuando
hay investigadores (reales y potenciales) mexicanos que estar'ian
deseosos de ayudar a nuestro pa'is si se les ofrecen lo necesario
(lease infraestructura y salario adecuados) ?

 Por que tratan de parchar el problema en lugar de solucionarlos
de ra'iz?

 En fin. Esto ya parece desahogo psicol'ogico.


Daniel M. German
dmg@cs.wm.edu

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From: aasales@athena.mit.edu (Alejandro A Sales)
Subject: Re: Henry Ford Era (Mexico? Paraiso ...)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:38:38 GMT

Hola,

   Nada mas como dato cultural, una de las principales 
avenidas en Colognia, Alemania se llama "Henry Ford Strasse"
y no solo eso, ahi se encuentra una de las plantas de 
Ford Motor Company mas grandes de Europa. Sobre esa
avenida hay una linea de tranvia que te lleva 
del centro de Colognia a "1 Henry Ford Strasse", que
es ni mas ni menos que la entrada principal a dicha planta.
    
  Hasta luego,
--Alejandro Sales.
From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: Futbol: Seleccion Mexicana
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:34:27 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Hoy juega nuestra seleccion nacional contra Rumania y segun escuche por
ahi, hoy "El Flaco"  Menotti piensa alinear a los jugadores que seran
nuestra seleccion para las eliminatorias a E.U. '94.  En otras palabras,
hoy se escoge a nuestro "Dream Team".  Yo por mi parte, le deseo suerte
a los Cementeros, Carlos Hermosillo y "Chepo" De la Torre, asi como a
a la seleccion, para que terminen su gira con exito.

Miguel Figueroa-Delgado
UT-San Antonio
From: edmundor@castle.ed.ac.uk (Edmundo Robert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: Confirmacion
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep2.115207.11249@athena.mit.edu> jramirez@athena.mit.edu (Jaime Ramirez) writes:
...
>Alguien me podria, de alguna manera, confirmar
>si mis mensajes estan siendo recibidos por
>todo el grupo de soc.culture.mexican. 
...
>
>Gracias por su ayuda,
>Jaime Ramirez

Aqui' en Edinburgo, Escocia (por si hubiera otro ;) se escucha 
fuerte y claro :-)

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From: nagual@xochicalco.edu (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Tonalamatl/Sat. Aug 22, 1992
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: mexico-l@tecmtyvm.mty.itesm.mx
Organization: Xochicalco University, Tijuana, BCN


    Today is the 235th day of 1992 with 131 remaining.
    The moon is a waning crescent, moving towards its new phase.
    The morning stars are Mercury and Saturn.
    The evening stars are Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

Maya Long Count: 12. 18. 19. 6. 14.  HUN Ix UUC-LAHUN Yaxkin
Mexica: CHICUACE Tecpatl. CE Ocelotl Panquetzaliztli CAXTOLLIONCE
Purepecha Uexurini: 6 Tzhinapu. Huryiyata: 1 Puki. Kutsi: Pancanscuaro 16
Zapotec Yza: 4 Xoo. Chij: 1 Gueche. Cocijo: 1 Chilla. Cocij: 1 Gueche.
Sabado 22 de Agosto de 1992

Firefighters' Day

1527
    Alonso de Estrada is named Governor of New Spain.

1700
    Intellectual Carlos Siguenza y Gongora dies in Mexico City.

1741
    Pedro Cebrian becomes Governor of the Audience of New Spain.

1823
    The Public General Archives of the Nation begin operations.
    It was founded based on an idea of Viceroy Revillagigedo and currently
    named the General Archives of the Nation under the Secretariat of
    Government or Interior Ministry.

1846
    President Mariano Salas reestablishes the Constitution of 1824.

1855
    Gen. Ignacio Comonfort takes the city of Guadalajara, Jalisco for the plan
    of Ayutla cause.

1864
    Geneva Convention for Protection of the Wounded (International Red Cross)
    is founded.

1970
    President Gustavo Diaz Ordaz and US President Richard Nixon meet in Puerto
    Vallarta, Jalisco.
---------------------
"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good
 poem, see a fine picture and, if it were possible, to speak a few
 reasonable words."
 -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
From: consulta@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx (Consultas de supercomputo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: rx-PhD's del Este
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:35:02 GMT
Organization: Universidad Nacional Aut'onoma de M'exico
Originator: consulta@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx


No ha pasado desapercibido: De hecho ya han llegado cuatro rusos, 
dos mas vienen en camino, y hay un cubanos, todo eso solo en el DGI
del campus Estado de Mexico.

Pero tambien nos interesa que lo que se contrate incluya mexicanos.
From: gabriel@GUF.CORP.SGI.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Morelos I & II
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:21:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Aug29.232125.616
Reply-To: mexico-l@tecmtyvm.mty.itesm.mx
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA

Fermin R. Y Arturo S. escriben respectivamente...

Fermin...
>  Segun recuerdo, cuando fueron puestos en servicio en 1985, se dijo que
>solo servirian durante 10 a~os, el Morelos II serviria de respaldo para
>el Morelos I aunque se le empezo a emplear hace como 1 o dos a~os (el
>tec es de los que transmite por el) y me parece que es el que soportara
>el mayo peso por ser el que esta mas "nuevo".
>  Hace poco se empezo hablar del sistema de satelite Solidaridad que
>seran puestos en servicio por 1994 o 1995, pero solo se lo que se
>anuncia en la TV de acuerdo a los mensajes de la SCT.
>  En cuanto a las cuestiones tecnicas no tengo la menor idea de los
>satelites Solidaridad.


Arturo...
>Bueno, hasta donde yo me quede es que el Morelos I serviria por algo asi
>como 20 an~os y hasta ahora esta solo al 30% de su capacidad, por lo que
>es un satelite relativamente joven. El Morelos II no he sabido que ya
>haya entrado en operacion. Dijeron que iba a estar en "stand by" por un
>buen rato, pero de esto ya tiene algunos an~os...:-7
>
>Mejor dejenme averiguo con un amigo que trabaja en la SCT a ver que me
>puede decir al respecto y luego les informo...:-)
>
>Por cierto, sabian que en la NASA cuando manejaron el proyecto del
>Morelos I, lo tenian registrado como "Morrales I" ? :-/  Que tal!? :-o
>Y aun hasta hace cosa de un par de an~os, aun aparecia en algunos
>registros con ese nombre! :-P En fin...
>Saludos!!!  :-{)

Gracias por sus respuestas, habia oido lo mismo acerca del Satelite
'Solidaridad', con mas poder y con un 'enfoque' mas amplio, hasta ahorita
el 'beam', esta enfocado primordialmente a Mexico, pero si se alcanza ha
ver hasta el Norte de USA, pero ya que la tecnologia anda cambiando muy
rapidamente y se habla de 'DBS', usando frecuencias muy altas, oi
rumores de que 'El Solidaridad' seria lanzado mas pronto de lo programado.

Lo de 'Morrales', que buen puntacho!


Saludos

-Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From:         CACHOO@TUI.LINCOLN.AC.NZ
Subject: Libros
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Lincoln University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:40:19 GMT

Hola a todos:

Con respecto a la discusion de buenos libros con temas Aztecas. Uno
que yo disfrute mucho es EL CORAZON DE PIEDRA VERDE . No me acuerdo
del autor pero creo que es un Espaniol. El libro esta lleno de
aventuras y es muy entretenido. Leyendolo se aprende mucho sobre los
Aztecas y otras culturas contemporaneas, asi como del proceso de la
conquista.

Saludos del Hemisferio Sur
   Oscar

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From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics,apc.reg.safrica
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:17:38 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
: In <1992Aug18.112312.28056@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
: >You misunderstand me. They don't mobilize explicitly on the basis
: >of Xhosa ethnicity, and they try to make out some sort of non-racial
: >appeal. But they're Xhosa dominated, at the highest levels, and that's
: >one of the reasons why in the context of the violence on the Reef,
:                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         
: >they find themselves on the side of Xhosa vs. Zulu, and do so because
: >that is the perception on the ground.
: 
: Since you seem to be tuned into the perception on the ground, could
: you explain what that perception was in during the 'Martizburg wars of
: the mid to late 1980s?  Those sure weren't Xhosas fighting Inkhata there.

Of course, that's a different conflict entirely. In different contexts
Inkatha and the ANC can assume different roles, have different profiles
and mean different things. That conflict is ongoing, moreover, it certainly
didn't stop in the late 80s. Quite the opposite. One should remember
that the ANC has historically had great difficulty penetrating Natal. They
starting moving in in significant numbers in the early 80s, mainly via
the urban radicalized youth. There used to be TWO ANCs in Natal, one
split off in the direction of Zulu nationalism (John Dube's bunch) and
the other remained affiliated to the national body (Luthuli and co.). They
also acquired an association with the Indians (rather a section of them) in
Natal, complicating things. This makes good reading, try Shula Marks'
article in The Making of Tribalism in Southern Africa (ed L. Vail).
 
: >The ANC is and
: >always has been a black party, and that is reflected in its support,
: >which is a rather better guide to its ethnic/racial role than its
: >policy documents - documents which nobody has read anyway. The split
: >with the PAC doesn't affect this one iota.
: 
: Then why did they split with the PAC?

On a question of strategy - whether whites could play a part
in "the struggle" for *black* liberation or not. In effect
this was about the role of white communists in black political
movements.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:33 PDT
Subject: Somalia news and question
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700100:000:1512
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep  3 19:33:00 1992


There is some consensus that food is now being shipped to Somalia in
sufficient quantities, and that that part of the problem is solved.

I hope this is so, but I just can't get it nailed down yet.  Have talked
to UN Humanitarian Affairs and the Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance,
and neither one can tell me how much food is going out now and will
go in October and November.  OFDA did promise to try to send info tomorrow.

Carole Collins emailed me information that tomorrow CSpan will carry
a program on the Somalia relief effort and what the UN, US et al. are
doing.  This will be at 9:30 am. 

If anybody can watch or tape this and find out how much food is going now
and what the supply schedule is, that would be helpful.  (I can't watch or
tape it.)

The International Committee for the Red Cross now says that 60,000 tons per
month are needed.  I'm sure this is *minimum*.

Meantime, ABC showed a brief piece on children of Somalia this evening.
A CARE feeding center was shown.  Children with pencilthin limbs, of course.
The center was only able to give them 500 calories a day.

We really need to try to get definite answers about how much food is going
and when for a simple reason--nobody else seems to care about getting
hard facts about this.  Once we know that enough food is going in, people
who still feel moved to work on this can shift their attention to fundraising
for the ICRC and Doctors Without Borders and so on. (That's going to be
very important and possibly rather difficult.)
From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: unity and other myths
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:00:33 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town



According to the newspaper this morning, Nkosi Sikelel i'Afrika will be sung at
the soccer game between South Africa and Zambia on Sunday - I don't hear too
many people expressing outrage at the insensitivity of singing a song which
alienates a large section of South Africa's white population. Double standards
perhaps (eh Scott)? Personally I think its cool, they can sing what they like.

What has emerged from the anthem and flag controversy is the fact that South
Africa isn't a nation, and probably won't ever be one. Everybody seems to take
for granted the idea that the political leaders should be promoting unity among
South Africans - and finding national symbols and songs forms part of this.
It's really very stupid (and possibly quite dangerous as well), what should be
promoted in this country at the moment is political and ethnic tolerance -
people should be allowed to adopt the songs and symbols of their choice, 
regardless of the attitude of the majority of South Africans.

As long as political leaders persist with attempts to coerce all South Africans
into uncomfortable "unity", there will always be rebellion and ethinic
minorities swimming against the flow. Tolerance and freedom of expression I say
- unity is a myth!

Hardy Hulley
From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:41:20 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town


Lucio de Re writes:

> hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> : 
> : 
> : According to the newspaper this morning, Nkosi Sikelel i'Afrika will be 
> : sung at the soccer game between South Africa and Zambia on Sunday - I don't
> : hear too many people expressing outrage at the insensitivity of singing a 
> : song which alienates a large section of South Africa's white population. 
> : Double standards perhaps (eh Scott)? Personally I think its cool, they can 
> : sing what they like.
> 
> I like our informed commentators. Do you, Hardy, feel alienated by a prayer
> that pleads with God to bless Africa? Even the atheist in me has little to
> groan about that. The racist in you, however, may well feel slighted that
> such a prayers should not be sung exclusively in Afrikaans, the language
> the Bible was written in, the language spoken by the God's chosen people,
> to replace those vermin Jews who had the audacity to kill his only Son,
> even if only in fulfilment of a prophecy!

I have a confession to make, Lucio - I was so entertained by your article when
I read it the first time, that I could not resist reading it again, and once
again I felt compelled to respond. This little extract above, which I culled
from your posting, is truly a gem - man, its funny! You really have a gift when
it comes to conjuring up the image of a horde of hardened racist Afrikaners
living in mortal fear of their unforgiving god, persecuted by the Jews and the 
English (and Sam Ramsamy), and hunted down by tribes of cannibalistic savages -
good stuff man! I'm afraid I really must disappoint you though - I am neither 
even vaguely Afrikaans nor religious in the slightest. As far as feeling
alienated goes - now that I have you, I'm feeling much better!

I also loved the story about your Coloured girlfriend - please mail me all the
saucy details! Why don't you tell us how you managed to evade the cops when
taking moonlight trips up Lion's Head - it must have been really exciting....

Hardy Hulley
UCT



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