HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: How do I make shell prompt show working directory?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:54:33 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Apr7.120605.26841@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.072725.6379@nextdoor.com>
>john@nextdoor.com (John McCracken) writes:
>
>Bearing in mind that this prompt business is (periodically)
>a topic more appropriate to comp.unix.questions, here's
>another variant:
>
>	alias cd 'cd \!*; doprompt'
>	alias doprompt 'set prompt="[`hostname`:`whoami`]`dirs|sed -e
>'\''s/ //'\'' -e 's.~..' -e 's./..'`[\\!] "'
>

That's disgusting.  Why do people think firing up sed with line noise
for arguments every time you change your working directory is elegant?
"Many small tools..."  "Thousand points of light..."

You also have to alias pushd and popd.

Another solution to this problem is to use tcsh or bash which both let
you put the working directory in the prompt by saying something simple
like (this works for bash)

	PS1="\h \w : "

"\h" is replaced with the host name.  "\w" is replaced with the
working directory.  This gives the following prompt:

MC8 ~/News : 

It also updates it automatically when the working directory changes.
 
-- 
Chris Maeda, Grad Student and RetroGrouch <cmaeda@cs.cmu.edu>
"A unix signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of
a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding
a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Economy
From: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us (Glenn Rempe)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:43:19 MST
Reply-To: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us
Distribution: world,local

 writes
> In comp.sys.next.misc article <1992Apr10.225013.9413@stb.info.com> 
> michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten) wrote:
> > In article <1992Mar20.110353.16614@yang.earlham.edu>  
andrewh@yang.earlham.edu writes:
> 
 >No one really knows what the "best" system is.  The point is we all better 
 >stop our ideological idololatry and foolish demagogery before too long, or 
 >we'll have a real disaster on our hands, environmental or otherwise. 

[MUNCH.....MUCHO POLITICO CRAPO] 

> -- 
> -- Brian K. Yoder (brian@norton.com) - Maier's Law:                           
> -- Peter Norton Computing Group      - If the facts do not fit the theory,    
> -- Symantec Corporation              - they must be disposed of.              
> -- NeXT Mail Accepted (preferred!)   -                                       



None of this belongs here!  It's bad enough that we have to read mucho  
bulls**t and flames which have SOME relationship to the NeXT.  Let's not add  
to this with discussions of politics with NO relationship to the NeXT.

Just a thought from a POLY-SCI major, NeXT USER who thinks that there is a  
proper time and PLACE for everything.

My  $.02

Glenn
--
rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us

GLENN D. REMPE
UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA
NeXTMAIL WELCOME!
SEND ME YOUR PICTURE.tiff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: amlovell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony M Lovell)
Subject: Re: Do NOT buy from Neuron! (Re: NeXT FAX recommendations?)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: next, fax
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:53:23 GMT

  Why is this Neuron product so oft-discussed?  What is special about it
that recommends it over a cheaper product such as a SupraFax Modem V3.2?
I am very curious, and guess that there must be some very important
attribute that I'm unaware of.  Can such a cheap modem as the Supra
offer meaningful function with a NeXT cube '040?

-- 
amlovell@phoenix.princeton.edu     ...since 1963.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Did comp.sys.next.richposts pass?
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:35:32 GMT

In article <12388@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.173911.4603@newshost.lanl.gov>  
> tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:
> $ In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>  
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
> $ (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> $ > If anyone bothers to announce the results of the vote, I'm
> $ > sure there will be a nice new comp.sys.next.rtf, where
> $ > such neat posts will most *definitely* belong. 
> $ 
> $ I bet there won't be.  Even if there is it won't work.
> 
> I hope there will be.
> 
> A negative result of the voting on the recently-proposed  
> comp.sys.next.richposts should be construed as an affirmative for  
> continued (perhaps even expanded) rich-text postings on all other  
> comp.sys.next.* groups.

Although the percentage of "yes-to-no" votes was not
large enough (barely) to create the separate group under
USENET voting guidelines, the actual "yes" vote count
was more than 100 votes in the majority.  How do you figure
that is a mandate for *your* position???   

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.object,comp.lang.smalltalk
From: Bob Hathaway <objsys@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Survey on future of Object Oriented Programming
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 04:38:42 GMT
Organization: Object Systems

In article <1992Apr10.054438.159@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> timothy@eddie.rmNUG.org writes:
>5A) When will Object Systems account for 30% of the applications being used?
>5B) When will Object Systems account for 50% of the applications being used?
>5C) When will Object Systems account for 80% of the applications being used?
>6A) When do you expect that a background in Object Systems will be a
>    requirement for 30% of new hires for programming?
>6B) When do you expect that a background in Object Systems will be a  
>    requirement for 50% of new hires for programming?
>6C) When do you expect that a background in Object Systems will be a  
>    requirement for 80% of new hires for programming?

I think that Object Systems should account for all current applications and
a background in Object Systems should be a requirement for everyone right now.

>7) What OO language do you think will dominate by the end of this decade?

Object Systems OpenL, of course!  [what a silly question]
Immodestly,
  Bob Hathaway
  Programming Language Designer and Compiler Writer
  Object Systems
  objsys@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tim@monolith.amd.com (Tim Olson)
Subject: Re: Save mail from the Mail Application?
Keywords: Mail App, document well, NewsGrazer
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:18:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.185852.21226@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
(Richard) writes:
| I have tried to save mails to files after reading them from the Mail        
| Application, but I can't find a save function there? Is there anyone know
| how to save a mail to a file (of course not the mbox file) from within
| the mail application? 

This, in my opinion, is the major missing item in the Mail App.  It needs
a document well, like NewsGrazer, that allows you to drag-and-drop
the message being viewed.

Right now, the easiest way to do this is to Select-All on the message,
copy it to the pasteboard, and paste it in to a new Edit document  

--
	Tim Olson
	Advanced Micro Devices
	tim@amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: randy@appsoft.com (Randy Adams)
Subject: Re: Image Processing for NeXT (Appsoft Image is coming...)
Reply-To: randy@appsoft.com
Organization: Appsoft, Inc.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:57:26 GMT

In article <1906@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John  
Michopoulos) writes:
> 
> Does anybody know af any Image Processing package that would run under  
NeXTstep  

Appsoft is working on a PhotoShop-like (meaning a superset of Adobe PhotoShop's  
feature set not their "look and feel" (intellectual property attorneys take  
note)) application for NeXTstep.  It is scheduled for release in July and is  
currently in alpha.  It has a combination of Image Processing, Photo Editing  
and Bitmap Editing (Painting) features.  It has been written from scratch to  
run under NeXTstep.  It currently does not use any of the Pixelist code from  
NeXT, although this may change.  Presently we are not releasing any copies of  
the program because it is changing daily and we wouldn't be able to support it  
properly.  Pricing is not yet set, but it will be comparable to Adobe's  
PhotoShop Mac pricing.  There is talk of releasing another version without  
image processing features at a lower price but we haven't decided yet.

As soon as we get a stable beta version we will be releasing it to a limited  
(less than 50) number of beta testers.  We already have many requests for beta  
copies but if you want to get in the queue, send an email message to  
image@appsoft.com requesting to be on the beta list.  We would also like to  
hear from you about any features, comments, etc.  Flames are welcome, if people  
are interested we will post summaries of comments and flames to the net.

As soon as we ship it we will release a demo version on the archives.  We will  
also be releasing a demo version of Appsoft Draw to the archives within the  
next two weeks, after it ships.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft)
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Reply-To: greg@agog.com
Organization: Agog, Inc.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:39:50 GMT

Christopher Penrose writes
> This thread is ridiculous.  Glenn's original post totally belongs in  
this
> newsgroup.
> 
> 

I think one post to announce is enough for press releases. Why cross post?
This has nothing to do with the content which I think is a great idea.

	-greg.

-- 

Greg Cockroft                       greg@agog.com    
Agog, Inc.                          (517) 627-2186   fax 2673
13780 North River Highway
From: wind1289@med.unc.edu (Stuart Kossover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: SimonSays
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:48:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Apr7.074854.22918
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Originator: wind1289@addor

If anyone cares to comment in an open forum or to me personally, that
would be great. Simon is an excellent program; especially useful for
programs such as AdobeIllustrator and FrameMaker which have too many
keyboard shortcut commands to remember (but ones that are extremely useful
if one could). Simon allows recall of verbal commands to access these
powerful abilities.

Things are really warming up for NeXT!

Stu Kossover, MD  E-mail...   wind1289@med.unc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 23:34:13 -0400 
From: Adam Christopher Swift <as53+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 3.5" Erasible Optical Disk < $10/each


    I've been looking at these for a while.  They seem wonderful, and
prices keep coming down!

    There is one reason for a NeXT user to stall a little longer:

       > Wait for NeXT to announce what they are going to support!

    From what I understand, NeXT is chewing on the 3.5 optical idea and
may announce a standard at some point in time in the "near" future.

    If you're only interested in personal backups, then ignore me!

    Figured I'd put in my two cents...

- adam


     Adam C Swift             "To defy the laws of tradition
  as53@andrew.cmu.edu	            is a crusade only of the brave." - PRIMUS
Carnegie Mellon University    "Life is farting around." - Kurt Vonnegut
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca  (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Gourmet.app cannot launch Mathematica
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:46:01 GMT

In article <SIMMONS.92Apr4140353@rigel.neep.wisc.edu> >  
simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons) writes:
> Remember that if you want a Mathematica upgrade and/or
> bug fix(and there are many bugs in Mathematica) you have
> to pay. This is what i was told when i phoned Wolfram. --
> 

Oh?  I reported some bugs to WRI a couple of months ago, got
back E-mail suggesting I call and get the upgrade.  Called, 
aked for it *firmly but politely* and a week later it arrived
by *Federal Express* at no charge to me but, obviously, not 
insignificant cost to WRI for software they were already giving away.
Told all other academic NeXT users here about this and every one of
them who has takent the time to call has also received his/her upgrade
at no cost.

I suggest you call again and be sure you speak to someone who is
clear on the upgrade policy.  Now whether we'll get 2.1 free or
not is another matter, but 2.0.4.5 is far better and Wolfram is 
giving it out to NeXT users for *free*.  

Tom
From: gt1111a@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: color laser with old cubes?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:06:36 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

We have about 9 old-style '030 cubes with 380 meg HD's and an MO disk each.

I am very interested in the new color PostScript printer, but a couple of
obvious questions arise. I have been told that NeXTStep 3.0 extended will
be required to use the new printer. Will my old cubes:

1) Be able to hold all of 3.0 extended and still have some room left
   over for a fair amount of swap?
2) Be connectable to the new CD-ROM drive for purpose of loading 3.0 ext?
3) Print color transparencies of reasonable quality?

I am assuming of course that someone out there in net.land has managed to
snag one of these way ahead of the rest of us.

Thanks.
-- 
"Tech students have fun? Half the students here wouldn't take a course in fun
 even if it was required. They'd find some way to weasel out of it."    -me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: marcu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Albert Ullman)
Subject: Re: System Admin. & Re: Adobe Systems Incorporated -- and a Question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:08:36 GMT

In article <122094@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> sowa@amdew.llnl.gov writes:
>While I'm at it, why not point out an official NeXT inconsistency with
>this scheme? Why does Installer put third-party package files into
>/NextLibrary/Packages instead of, say, /LocalLibrary/Packages? OK, the
>relevant directory must be world-writeable, but if they shipped with the
>/Local... directories already made, this would be no more of a problem
>than the current situation. Yeah, it's a small thing, I know. I would
>also prefer that /NextLibrary/TeX go in the local hierarchy, too, since
>TeX is shipped uninstalled.

I agree with your position here.  In fact, I replace 
	/NextLibrary/Packages/ThirdParty
with a symbolic link pointing to
	/LocalLibrary/Packages/ThirdParty

One other comment on disk management schemes.  Since I have large (1.4GB)
disk, and I wanted to keep the NeXT supplied stuff in its own partition,
I have created a second partition on my disk that I mount as /local.
(I also have a partition called /home with all user accounts but that's
a different matter).  As to /local, I add the following symbolic links
on top of the NeXT OS partition so that these are the only things that
have to be updated if I wipe out or update the OS system:

	/usr/local		--> /local
	/LocalApps		--> /local/Apps
	/LocalLibrary		--> /local/Library
and of course
	/NextLibrary/Packages/ThirdParty --> /LocalLibrary/Packages/ThirdParty

Hope this is useful.  Comments are certainly welcome.

--Marc Ullman
  Stanford University





Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:30:35 GMT

Volker Herminghaus-Shirai writes
> In article <1992Apr9.200738.18240@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
> (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> > In article <1992Apr9.192303.1809@newshost.lanl.gov> tms@twins.lanl.gov  
(Todd  
> M.  
> > Swan) writes:
> > 
> > Neat TIFFs.  Isn't the preferred method of distributing such things
> > though the ftp archives, though...
> 
> Yes, probably. But I don't have FTP access and I don't even have a chance of  
> getting anywhere close to one. Maybe if someone would open an email account  
> where you could mail things to put on the archives, that would solve the  
> problem.
> 
> Is that feasible? Or does it exist already?
> 

Yes.  Sonata.cc.purdue.edu has email access to their ftp stuff.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Re: NeXT Demo CDROM
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:44:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.225415.15164@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tim Buck) writes:
>I've seen several mentionings of a "NeXT Demo CDROM" recently.  What is
>this item, and how can I get a copy?  I'd appreciate any leads you have.
>
>Tim Buck

        The NeXT CD-ROM of demo programs is not yet available. The
        deadline for submitting demo programs is April 22, so I would
        expect to see it a month or two later. Any interested developers
        who would like to contribute a demo version of their work to 
        be included on the disk should contact NeXT.

        Charlie




-- 

Charlie

*********************************************************************
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: comp.newprod (was: Why doesn't NeXT send press releases to comp.sys.next.announce?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 23:03:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu

In article <12174@tamsun.tamu.edu>
cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:

> There is a newsgroup specifically set up for blatantly commercial posts,  
> and it's called:
> 	COMP.NEWPROD
> People should read it and use it. 
> 

I am not going to read comp.newprod just to catch 3% of posts related to
NeXT.  If it is permissible to have a group such as comp.newprod, then
there should be one called "comp.sys.next.product".
Posts doesn't have to be about NEW products.  I would like to
know about updates and revisions too.

Or NeXT,
Please setup a mailing list "NeXT-PressRelease" which anyone can join
to receive NeXTrelated press releases.


--
Izumi Ohzawa             [ $BBg_78^=;(B ]
USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440     Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: sccs on the NeXT
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:47:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.skp5aINN7pa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chowning.cnmat.berkeley.edu


I was surprised (and disappointed) to discover that sccs does not
exist on the NeXT.  Or am I looking in the wrong place?  On a
sparc, sccs is in /usr/ucb.  I thought that sccs was a standard part
of a unix system.  Or is it possible to acquire an sccs to put on
a NeXT?

Email replies appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
--
Greg Sandell
Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu or sandell@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Cannon Printer Review
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:56:02 GMT
Organization: Grad student MIT.

I came across a review of the Canon Colour buble jet printer ( the same engine as
used in the NeXT colour printer).  The reviewer compared it to the HP Inkjet C
and basically decided the HP machine was much much much better.  The only good
point as I rember was that it did black line very well...but not worth the price
tag.

I will dig out the review if anyone is interested and give a slightly better
summery if enough people are interested.

john.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14073 comp.sys.next.programmer:3438
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Really useful utility.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:10:06 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca


I'm always full of ideas, but rarely have enough time to even begin on  
them all. This time, though, there is something that would be so useful  
that I figured I should share it. I'd do it myself, as it would be really  
easy, but unfortunately I am desperately pressed for programming time for  
the next five months.

The idea is this: a Services-only application, which I have dubbed "Peter  
Piper". It would take a selection and pass it through a UNIX pipe, just  
like in Edit, except it would work with any application. There would be  
access to the pasteboard. The things I would use it for are:

1) Quoting messages in Mail, a la MailHelper
2) Passing things through awk so that I could get, say, only the 3rd  
column in a whole tab-separated array of numbers
3) Appending something to my quotes file automatically
4) Non-text stuff?? Image processing?? Adding stuff to a sound database?  
Who knows?

That's just off the top of my head. It would make use of a file in my home  
directory, called something like .peterpiperc, to get the things to add to  
the menu.

I really would like to see this, as it would make my NeXT about, oh, maybe  
a zillion times more useful. I just can't do it until August at least.  
Really, it would only take about a day.

Maybe I'll do it anyway. But the idea is here, you don't even have to give  
me credit. Just do it! :-)

-Anthony
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT CD-ROM on a SUN? (was: Sun CD-ROM on a NeXT ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:01:31 GMT

Darcy Brockbank writes
> I was able to connect the Sun CD-ROM with no problems whatsoever.

Now, will it work the other way around?

can you plug a NeXT CD-ROM device into a SUN and have it p'n'p?

	chuck
From: benseb@next.sdsc.edu (Booker C. Bense)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 88110 and 56001 -- How many MFLOPS ?
Keywords: It's sure not 80
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:00:15 GMT
Reply-To: benseb@next.sdsc.edu

In article <9raH6#es6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)  
writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr16.180949.26816@cs.ucla.edu> esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu  
(Eskandar Ensafi) writes:
> 
>    Does anyone know how many MFLOPS the Motorola 56001 DSP and 88110
>    CPU are capabale of?  I am trying to compare this to the 80 MFLOPS
>    of the 33-MHx i860 and to the 50 MFLOPS of the 33-MHz 96002 DSP.
> 
> The i860 doesn't get 80 MFLOPS in practice.  10 MFLOPS is the number
> that I hear a lot.  Anyway, the i860 isn't used for crunching on the
> ND, it's just used for bitblits.
> 

-Despite Intel's best efforts to pass i860 off as a general purpose chip,
It does not run at anywhere near 80 mflops. It's a great graphics chip,
but the special features that allows 80 mflops in graphics ops makes
building a robust compiler difficult. There isn't a compiler in existance 
that will get faster than 10 Mflops on a simple SAXPY loop, never mind a 
REAL operation. Even people writing hand-coded assembler have a tough time  
getting more than 30 Mflops.  I've yet to get any of the test examples I've  
been working with to run at more than 3 mflops. When you compare that to the
2 mflops available on my lowly 15mhz '040 , it doesn't look that great. 

- Anyway, NeXT should be looking at the new 64-bit chips, although how you'll 
ever get a memory system cheap and fast enough to feed such a beasty is still 
an open question. 

---
- Booker C. Bense                    
prefered: benseb@grumpy.sdsc.edu  "I think it's GOOD that everyone 
NeXT Mail: benseb@next.sdsc.edu            becomes food " - Hobbes

P.S. If you know of an i860 compiler that does better than 10 Mflops 
PLEASE FLAME ME AS AN IGNORANT FOOL AND SEND ME THE ADDRESS !!!!!