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From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: What episode?
Originator: jawiles@c00477-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:25:09 GMT


In article <1992Sep24.203216.25824@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
|> Path: taco!rock!stanford.edu!ames!olivea!uunet!unislc!erc
  
|> : BTW, why was Dr. Crusher off the show for one season?  I recall that they
|> : covered the absence on the show by saying that Dr. Crusher went somewhere
|> : for a year of training (or something).   I am curious if there is a real
|> : life reason that she was not on the show.  Did she have other things to do?
|> : Did she not like the job, then change her mind when the show appeared to be
|> : successful?  Did they hate Pulaski so badly that they were willing to pay
|> : Beverly anything to come back?
|> 
|> She was head of Starfleet Medical for a year.  I don't know what Gates did
|> for a year.  Unfortunately, Diana Muldair is no match for Gates McFadden
|> in the looks department. :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

God, what an understatement!  My 2c.

--- jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu            DATA LIVES!
From: aodn174@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon home world's name revealed!
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:40:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Personally, I always thought it was Klinzhai!

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are."
					--Jean-Luc Picard

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From: rebull@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Luisa Rebull)
Subject: still MORE TAII complaints... (spoiler?)
Keywords: TA II 
Organization: U. of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:23:23 GMT


I have to agree wholeheartedly with almost all of the complaints
listed in this newsgroup... 
the thing that struck me the most as the final
credits rolled was that SO MUCH was missing from this episode
that it was almost as if they had originally intended it to be a
2-hour thing, and someone at the last minute had done a REALLY
bad job hacking it down to an hour.

ugh.  lets get on with next week. 

-Luisa

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:12:09 GMT

SPOILER WARNING!!!!!










SPOILERS ENCLOSED!!


















In article <rawdon.717625324@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael
Rawdon) writes:

(Stuff Deleted)

>  And I certainly don't see how
>if Picard had never gone along on the mission that they never would have met.
>
It is possible that Guinan would have died in the cave without Piccard being
there to attend to her.  That is what I could figure out.


>So what do we have left, having dispensed with those aspects of storytelling?
>Well, as I said, a rollicking good adventure.  Not a *great* one, mind you,
>but enough to keep one entertained for a couple of hours.
>
I agree totally.

>Time travel stories are probably my favorite science fiction pieces, so I
>was pleasantly disposed toward the premise here, and was further pleased
>to see that the entire plot flowed together pretty smoothly, and didn't
>seem terribly ad-hoc.
>
This was the only time travel episode of any kind that I have ever seen that
seemed to indicate that the past is somehow locked in stone, and that all
future events must fit into it (for example, the fact that Data HAD to lose his
head, that as Guinan said many times, "History must fulfill itself.").  I've
always seen stuff where the past could be changed in order to modify the
future.  Did anyone else notice this.  It's not a criticism, but I do think it
is an interesting twist on the whole idea of time travel and its effects.

>Third, and least important, is how Picard and company managed to fit into
>19th century society so well.  But I guess we can sort of abstract this
>away by watching reruns of "City On The Edge Of Forever". :-)
>
This bothered me big time.  How in the heck did they get the clothes with which
to "hide" themselves.  At the end of episode one we saw them going through the
rift with their Starfleet uniforms on, yet at the beginning of episode 2 they
all had 19th century clothing.  Where did they get this, especially since they
had no money since Piccard couldn't pay the rent?  Keep in mind that they
couldn't have gotten it from the replicator since the Enterprise was 500 yrs in
the future.

Lastly, It seemed that from what I could tell the time correlation between the
Enterprise and 1800's Earth parralled exactly.  What I am saying is that for
example, spending 20 minutes on 19th century Earth and then returning to the
Enterprise you would find that 20 minutes went by.  Another interesting time
travel concept....It seems that there was no control over when or where they
were transported.  Does anyone follow me??

Just my humble comments.....


Jon
From: coleman@kirkland.East.Sun.COM (Rob Coleman -- Sun East Coast IR Development)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Tasha Yar ** Spoiler **
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:47:14 GMT
Reply-To: coleman@kirkland.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kirkland.east.sun.com

** Spoiler Alert **


Monday and Tuesday of this week, I saw the episodes (Restoration I & II?)
where Worf's family regains their honor.

My confusion comes from the circumstances surrounding Tasha's death.
I've been watching reruns in several different locations, so I am not
entirely certain of my chronology.  

Assuming the show I was watching last night was current, when did Tasha
die?  

I've seen the show where the Enterprise-D meets the Enterprise-C and I
follow what transpired there (she went back to the time of the Enterprise-C
and was captured)

Has she died in several episodes and been brought back in alternative 
time lines?

Could someone straighten me out?  Email is fine, posts not necessary.


Rob Coleman
coleman@kirkland.east.sun.com
From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: REALM OF FEAR -- OPINIONATED COMMENTS
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:56:51 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life


[Sally, for future reference, when you followup-to an article, try
 not to include the whole thing you are replying to, unless it was necessary,
 which is wasn't in this case]

In article <16876D7E5.ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU> ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Sally Webster) writes:

> In article <1992Oct1.110508.12676@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
> > 
> > [a bunch of stuff, deleted, about Schultze acting too "hammy"]
>  
> Maybe the writer of this message has never had a panic attack.  I
> thought the actor playing Barclay was very convincing and did not
> overact at all.  He did just what people do who are struggling with
> fear.

I second that.  Having had panic attacks from time to time, I can
tell you that Dwight did a very good job of portraying what one can
go through during one.

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From: shigsch@cup.portal.com (Shirley Gillard Schneckloth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 09:11:57 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

	As much as I enjoy Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard, I would prefer 
if he were 'premoted'o to admiral, left the show and came back for a few guest
appearances.
	If Will Riker were then made captain, who do you think would be his
first officer? If Data were promoted, who would replace him as Chief Operation
Officer? Worf -- who would be Chief of Security? Geordi -- who would be Cheif 
Engineer?
	O'Brien and Keiko are leaving for DS9 -- will someone become the 
regular Transporter Chief?
	There could be many new openings and room for new characters that 
could bring new stories to the show. Could TNG keep going beyond season 7?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Chess
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:23:47 GMT

	I beleive that you can find the rules to 3-D chess, as played in ST &
ST-TNG, in the Star Trek Technical Manual.  You may be able to find the rules in
some of those other specialty trek books as well.

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From: molin@crs.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Subject: Re: Mistake in Borg episode
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 06:08:21 GMT

roy@ug.cs.dal.ca (David Roy) writes:

>    "I am Locutus of Borg...."
>This is incorrect with the Borg as we are led to understand them in the
>later episode called (I believe) 'I Borg', where the Borg cannot use, or
>rather cannot understand the usage of the word I... All of the Borg are
>one, they cannot understand themselves as seperate due to the fact of the
>combined consciousness they all have.

I believe they also said something about having taken liberties with
the process of assimilating Picard so that he could act as liason during
the expected assimilation of Federation Earth.


            -MOlin
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:46:35 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: TNG movie ???
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
 <tomcat.717891545@cwis> <1992Sep30.233356.23651@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

I don't have anything against Frakes either, but I think that Riker
wouldn't make a great captain....but who else could they get? Barclay?
That would be good for a groan or two.  Maybe Spock could come out of
retirement and serve as the captain for another season....
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII NOW (was Re: ST:TNG movie?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:29:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <tappek-051092150028@kurt_mac.bntley.ingr.com>, tappek@bntley.bntley.ingr.com (Kurt Tappe) writes...

>In the mail a few days ago I received a direct sales promotion brochure
>from Paramount.  A couple of the items they were trying to sell me were
>emblazened with "Star Trek VII NOW" logos (mugs, etc.)  At first I thought
>this was some campaign to make a seventh movie, but then I realized that
>this was PARAMOUNT itself; there's no incentive to be campaigning.

     Sure there is.  It's brilliant marketing, if you think about it.
     Paramount is SELLING the shirts.  There's always a profit in it
     if you slap STAR TREK on the cheap fabric and sell it direct 
     mail to slash overheads.  It doesn't matter WHAT ELSE besides
     STAR TREK the shirt says...  

     Unless they USE the extra space to a better end.  If these
     shirts SELL, it's a big PROFIT indicator that another film
     is wanted; it's like a tasting-of-the-waters USING PEOPLE'S
     WALLETS instead of just asking them to fill out a survey.

     Far more telling results this way, don'tcha think?  And
     it's a DOUBLE profit: the knowledge and the black-line
     from the shirts.  Genius.

>So anyway, what is this Star Trek VII NOW stuff all about?

     Do we REALLY want another movie with Kirk and Spock and
     the rest when things were so thematically finalized in 
     the last one?

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: promos for: time's ar
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 06:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.183645.23674@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>	No, but hey, this episode had plenty of points and issues it
>was trying to forward:
>
>	- what it means for a Data to confront his mortality

Which was given a few scenes in part I, and completely ignored in part II.

>	- how Picard and Guinan "meet" is shown, with some very special
>	indications on the unique nature of their relationship

Ok, so we've seen how they meet. But we STILL don't know 'the unique nature of
their relationship'. I mean, really, what do we know about Picard/Guinan? Not
much. We know they first met in the 19th century. Then Guinan comes to work
on Picard's ship in the 24th. Well, that clears it up for me!

>	- we get to see the crew in 19th-century dress, having some
>	fun beating up cops, posing as actors, and paying the rent -
>	a change of pace from sitting on the bridge

This was done completely wrong, in my opinion. Picard and company were far too
'at home' in the 19th century. Kirk and crew went from the 23rd century back to
the late 20th, and were almost completely lost, in terms of dress, figures of
speech, etc. Now, Picard's team went from the 24th century to the 19th, and
were able to fit in with no trouble. They were able to obtain period dress
without having any period currency, got access to a hospital, etc. I think the
'Stranger in a strange land' effect could have been used here, with a fair
amount of success (just look what it did for Star Trek IV) but the writers
seemed to ignore that aspect completely.



-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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From: davidvc@cosmo.sybase.com (David Van Couvering)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Oracular Revalation of Season Premiere
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:13:08 GMT

|> What I don't 
|> understand is how is was possible for the head to remain in the cavern for that long
|> without being discovered by others.  Knowing how people are, wouldn't someone have
|> found the head on a geological survey earlier than the 24th century group?
|> Something to think about.
|> 
|> Jeff Bohning 

One way to look at it is that none of this would have happened in
the first place (?) if they *hadn't* found Data's head in the 24th
century.  Confusing, impossible, but that's time travel for you...

-- 
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From: steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Twain's Watch in TA II [spoilers]
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:30:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <22561@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
>I too made the same sort of mistake in understanding what Twain did with
>his watch.  However, if you watch it closely, the watch he picks up on the
>Enterprise is the watch which the crew found in the cave.  It was this
>watch that Twain dropped when he jumped through the time portal in the
>nineteenth century.  Then, when he returns, he sees his original watch that
>he had dropped in the cave, picked it up, then set it back down.  Of course
>the watch he has is 500 years old.  And the watch in the cave will be picked
>up by the future Twain, which will be 500 years old.
>

Interestingly, if Twain would have picked up the watch he left in the 
cave earlier, what would have become of the watch he brought back from
the enterprise?  And then maybe none of this episode or series would
happen, or maybe history would have taken a different course!  Ah, a new
episode idea!

pensively,
sg
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From: kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II *SPOILERS*
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:48:26 GMT


In article <69210@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>+++
>++Yes, and how the Away Team got their 19th Century clothing so fast (did
>++they jump into a store, by chance?
>+
>++Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
>+
>+Don't be so harsh, Julie.  Is it so hard to believe that they robbed a
>+clothing store at night?  No alarm systems, right?  How hard could it
>+be?
>
>What?!  Capt. Picard STEAL?  Bite your tongue!
>
>Tim

...and especially since Picard was so concerned that Mrs. Carmichael receive
her rent in full, demonstrating his moral rectitude.  :-)

Kenward Chin
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From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II *SPOILERS*
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:24:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep28.125502.3645@bnlux1.bnl.gov+ schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
+In article <Bv61Er.64z@spock.dis.cccd.edu+ markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:
++In article <1992Sep21.221539.5342@tin.monsanto.com+ lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
+++*SPOILERS* for Time's Arrow Part II
+
+
+++
++Yes, and how the Away Team got their 19th Century clothing so fast (did
++they jump into a store, by chance?
+
++No.
+
++Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
+
+Don't be so harsh, Julie.  Is it so hard to believe that they robbed a
+clothing store at night?  No alarm systems, right?  How hard could it
+be?

What?!  Capt. Picard STEAL?  Bite your tongue!

Tim
-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: You didn't get my message, did you?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:48:45 GMT

In article <uplink.718316334@cwis> uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler) writes:
>IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
>
>>In article <uplink.717906241@cwis>, uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler)
>>says:
>>>
>>>        ENOUGH WITH THE @#$%@#$ SPOILERS!  ENOUGH!  ENOUGH!  ENOUGH!
>
>>Why?  This IS ras.current, they belong here.  And TAII (and by default
>>TAI) is a current topic.
>
>>Nick
>
>BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF SPOILERS, GOD DAMN IT!  AND ONLY MY OPINION COUNTS!!!!

Please leave that kind of message in alt.suckers

-- 
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Dept. of Biology          -----------------------------------------------------
University of Waterloo    |  "Biochimiste un jour, biochimiste toujours!"
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada |                               - anonyme
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:15:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep27.172051.20445@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>Well I have to admit that you are right in a way. Also as evil as Lore is he
>did have a point when he said Data should have been much higher rank than he
>is. If Data had been a Human that had accomplished as much and was as capable
>as much he'd have been an Admiral LONG ago. Dumb Geordi gets a promotion a
Perhaps, but would a human have the calculating power of Data's positronic
brain? If that human were a repatriated Borg maybe. Hey Hue! We have an offer
for ya! :)
>year for his first three years on the Enterprise and Data works his ass off and
>even in the show's 6th Season he is till a Lt. Commander. He is long over due
>for his Commander promotion.
You may be right on this point. There does need to be a few promotions on the
ship IMHO. Maybe even have Wesely <choke> graduate and get assigned to the
Enterprise. Not TOO far-fetched since the Big E is where a lot of Starfleet's
best end up usually, or are supposed to, anyway. Wesely's Engineering skills
might make him a candidate for assignment to the Big E; it might make Geordi
and the rest of Engineering very jealous though..
>
>I think the crew, including Picard, do like Data, but don't give him the breaks
>he deserves because he appears on the face of it to have no ambitions. I think
>he's even stated as much directly on occasion. I don't believe it for a minute.
>Why would Data have wanted to be Captain of that one ship during that crisis
If I remember correctly, Data was curious about his ability to command a 
starship. I don't know if that qualifies as ambition since he didn't seem to 
have a driving *desire* to command. Though I did get a kick of him imitating
Picard's command style.
>if he had no ambition? He may not be the kind of guy that busts into the
>bosses office to get a raise once a year, but that doesn't mean he isn't
>due for one!
Damn right.


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