From: ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ching Tai)
Subject: Re: abortion, homosexuality vs. Christians (Was: Racial Problem?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:27:13 GMT

George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca (George Lin) writes:

>> I have seen some debates in our local newsgroup about whether the Bible says
>> that abortion and homosexuality are "moral" in Christian value system. The
>> above quoted message seems to assume that these two things are really "sins"
>> from the viewpoint of Bible. However, there're many Americans who are also
>> Christians, can accept abortion and homosexuality. So, I like to know how
>> Chinese Christians feel about these two issues and whether the Bible really
>> says that these two things are sinful.

>What do you mean by accept?
>Biblically, both abortion and homosexuality are sins.  It is very clear as far
>as I am concerned.  I could give you a list of Bible versus to support the
>Biblical point of view.

If god is truely fair & kind, he should have made all humans equal (that would
eliminate much of the current problems involving racism, etc.).  Also, I
find it hard to believe that anyone, given the choice, would elect to be gay
etc. on his free will.

I think homosexuality is more or less involuntary for a person because of
the many disadvantages that individual will face in the current society
without any gain in advantages.

Also, why do you christians are so against gays/abortions, etc.?  (sorry
if I overly generalize, but that's the impression I get from the talk shows,
this group, christian meetings on campus, etc.)  I'd like to stress the word
"individual" I used in the above paragraph, and I don't see why you need to
stick your nose where it's not welcomed.  He/she should have his/her 
privacy, and it's none of your business.

As a side note, ever since I came to college, I've had to deal with many
stupid christian groups trying to convert me to christianity.  After
kindly turning those groups down after a few months, I decided to have some
fun doing it too... and so... 
                   HERE'S  WHAT TO SAY TO STUPID cHRISTIAN gOURPS
                   THAT TRY TO RECRUIT YOU
10) Thanks, but you're a bit too late.  I've already sold my soul to the Devil
 9) I'm a materialistic person in general, and I'd like you to sign a contract
    promising exactly what I'll gain by joining.  If I don't get the promised,
    I'll of course ask for compensation for my time.  <christian person 
    walking away from me> wait.. you're backing out? I thought god was on your
    side.
 8) Sorry, but I've a better offer from <insert another religion, I usually
    use Islam>.
 7) Would you mind if I take my dog, Jesus, to the church with me?
 6) Sorry, all my friends are atheist, joining with you would be betraying
    my own and my friends' beliefs.  <usually, they'll say something like,
    "you make new friends."  This is a prefect setup, because you can simply
    say, "yeah, but I don't want friends that condone betrayals.
 5) If there's god, jesus, what-nut, please show me your powers and strike
    this idiot <pointing to ththe christian> to his painful death now. <wait
    a moment>  Well, looks like there's no jesus, too bad.  <walk away>
 4) I'm jesus's God, does that make me your grandGod?  hahaha <walk away>
 3) Next time I'll remember not to creat dumb humans called christians.
 2) I'll give your religion a try if you give my religion a try.  <I usually
    name Chingism, basically a religion that worship Ching, aka yours truely>

AND HERE'S WHAT I USE WHEN HE/SHE/IT  HAS A BIBLE WITH HIM/HER/IT (I personally
call those people christian things:)
 1) I bet you that I can find "Ching is God" in your bible. <he takes the bet>
    flip through the bible, find the first "C", and then find a "h", etc.

No, I'm not against christians at all.   I just hate it when they keep bugging
me, trying to get me to believe in something I find boring and, frankly, less
truthful then Bush's comment of "no nude taxes."

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--CHING