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Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:06:55 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Pneumonia

My 2 year old daughter has been in hospital for the past 10 days with
pleural pneumonia.  They have been giving her vancomycin and clorforam.
Her temperature still peaks every day at 38.5c (down from 40.1c a week
ago).  They expect another 6-7 days to keep her hospitalized.

Can anyone tell me more about this type of pneumonia as well as the drugs
she is getting and anything else of importance I should know that the
doctors might not be telling me.

Thanks,
Hank Nussbacher
Israel
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.medicine
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
Followup-To: talk.politics.medicine
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Deep Space Nine (DS9)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:57:43 GMT

panter@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Bill Panter) writes:
>
>After all this discussion, I'm left wondering, just what is this Canadian
>National Medical Plan anyway?  I've only heard of provincial plans, such as
>Ontario Health Insurance Plan, never a federal one.  Did I miss something?

Because when you start talking about provinces, population and geography
people start to fall asleep down here ... (-;

Besides, we're talking about Canada ... once declared by folks here 
to be "just like the United States", and now considered worse than 
East Germany ...

In case folks are wondering what Canada sort-of looks like, check
these shows out on The Tube:

	Kung Fu: The Legend Continues (Toronto) PTEN Wednesday
	Class of '96 (Toronto) FOX Tuesdays
	Forever Knight (Toronto) CBS-Crimetime Tuesdays
	Urban Angel (Montreal) CBS-Crimetime Tuesdays
	The Heights (Vancouver) FOX Thursdays [on hiatus]
	Danger Bay (Vancouver) Disney
	MacGyver (Vancouver) USA

Forever Knight, Urban Angel and Danger Bay acknowledge their
locations.  In the others, it is disguised as "America" (in
"The Heights", Vancouver seems to be in either California,
Oregon, New Jersey, or Pennsylvania ... take your pick (-;).

Further curiosity should await the next update of Stewart Clamen's
Canadian TV Show Exports (?) list.

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: X-rays as Lung Cancer detector?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:33:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.070234.15970@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz (hinz@picard.med.ge.com)) writes:
>mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu wrote:
>: 
>:  Are there scans or tests other than x-rays 
>: that would indicate smaller or microscopic tumors in the lungs? I quit 
>: smoking 8 years ago but prior to that smoked 1 1/2 packs per day. I don't 
>: have any indication that there is anything wrong with me ...
>
>MRI works very well when looking for tumors, but I think microscopic tumors(?)
>would be a problem for most any imaging modality.  I don't know, however, how
>your insurance would feel about an MRI scan as part of a routine physical.
>
Yeah it works Real well.  Of course it costs about $1000 each, so I don't 
see too many people getting them for routine physicals!

BTW, the X-ray dosage for a chest xray (even with a lateral) is not
significant.  Xray dosages have been decreased dramatically due to
sensitivity of equipment over the older machines.

-- 
--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 621-8240----------------
Paul A. Prior    Ban anchors, not reef tanks    Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus  
3rd year medical student 		        
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
From: pwageman@jupiter.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Thyroid Test
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:23:24 GMT
Organization: Astrology R Us

I read there's a thyroid test called an "Ultrasensitive TSH," has anybody 
heard of it?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Peggy 
Wageman
From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: What is a Physcian Assistant?
Keywords: physicians' assistant
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:45:41 GMT
Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA

I don't mean to start a war here, but personally, I have had more postive experiences
working with Nurse Practitioners than with Physician Assistants. The Nurse Practitioner
starts with the background and experiences of nursing, which I think adds a lot to
the additional training as a Nurse Practitioner. That is not to say that there are not
good PAs. When I went to medical school, PA students trained right beside the medical
students in many subjects. Many PA programs, however, are not at medical schools.

-km
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.medicine
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:54:32 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <qpa3f1c@rpi.edu> whangj@vccnw04.its.rpi.edu (Junho Whang) writes:
>
>
>  It's always very puzzling (if I assume a modicum of fairness),
>why doctors always gripe about their salary?  According to the 

Gosh, I haven't heard any doctors here griping about their
salary.  Who were you speaking of?  Or is this just something
you heard about second or third hand?

>vilage!  The argument of having to repay med school expenses don't hold
>much water since total 4 year expenses run 100K at most, and many doctors
>make easily that much in one year.
>

Most doctors don't make 100K until they've been out of medical
school for over 10 years.  Did you think about that or know that?
Some of us have still not made the 100K mark and have been out
longer than that.  

If I give these facts, is that considered "griping about my
salary"?  I suspect it is in your book.

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From: dgidez@netcom.com (Daniel Gidez)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: PAIN MANAGEMENT Sought / GP Specializing??
Keywords: Bay Area Genereal Praciticner Pain Management
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:33:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am looking for a referral to a doctor in the San Francisco Bay area who
specializes in Pain Management.


I am NOT looking for a pain management center or a clinic.
     ---

I suffer from debilitation due to a back injury and have been through pain
management treatment at a center before (actually 3 centers), they do not 
help, they have cost me my insurance coverage, and they always treat
me with the same drugs which I could get from a regular physician.

I am not willing to waste 1/2 of a day every day and 400$  a day out of 
pocket to enter into a clinic which only prescribes drugs while trying 
numerous ineffective drug treatments looking for "that miracle cure".

I was advised by one of the physicians at my last clinic to seek out 
a doctor willing to prescribe these (he had a list) drugs and stop wasting
my time in a clinic of this nature since my problem cant be alleviated.

His exact word were "Dan you're being used as a guinea pig here, Im gonna give
you a large prescription for several things, its better for you to find a 
regular doctor who will take care of you, your problem will be intensified 
in this clinic"

I see this as meaning the clinic was after money and would make me worse
but I wont hypothesize since I am now without any medical insurance (too risky
is what all companies have told me).

At this point I am paying for my doctor visits and can't get insurance 
due to the many tens of thousands of dollars of "Pain Management" which was 
useless.

This is why I seek help from a General Practicioner of someone who will
review the records and treat me accordingly (for lets say 100$ a week
instead of $400 a day).

Im very tired of being broke for no reason (especially since I make a decent
salary).

If you have any suggestions (experience preferable), please contact me
via Email.

dgidez@netcom.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby)
Subject: Re: Triglycerides
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 00:37:30 GMT

    

    A low-fat high carbohydrate diet lowers HDL. Grape seed oil and
    booze (2 drinks per day ) will push it up but just moving a number
    doesn't mean much -its the cholesterol\HDL ratio that matters.
    Trigly up to 400 are not much of a worry. When theyear  1000
    there is danger of pancreatitis. You should walk for 20 mins 3 or
    4 times a week. It is the CONTINOUS 20 mins. that counts. Stop and
    go walking around your plant doesn't do the job. Good luck in Feb.


		       ken colby,M.D.
From: tepper@ACF1.NYU.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Smoking Cessation
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:52:15 GMT
Organization: New York University, NY, NY
Reply-To: tepper@ACF1.NYU.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: acf1.nyu.edu

Is anyone aware of any literature, in English, dealing with the influence of
cultural factors in smoking cessation efforts with individual of Chinese or
Latin American heritage?  Email replies would be greatly appreciated.
Tepper@acfcluster.nyu.edu      Thanks, Jesse J. Tepper, Ph.D.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (William Tsarones)
Subject: Medical Practice Mgt. Software
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:04:13 GMT

I need help trying to locate any information on medical practice management
software for Macintosh--the type used to run a doctor's office. I've never
seen anything on the Mac for this but have heard it exists.

Any information, even if it's nothing more than where to get information on
Mac software for vertical markets, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


Bill Tsarones
sctsar@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.medicine
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
Followup-To: talk.politics.medicine
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Deep Space Nine (DS9)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:51:56 GMT

seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>
>The per capita cost is somewhat cheaper while providing universal 
>coverage. This is supposed to rebut the idea that it would be too 
>expensive to provide universal coverage.

The secret is amortization across a VERY large population and you know
what the statistical population looks like: a bell curve.  You can set
your premiums according to projected demand and what the doctors demand
from your fee schedule (we have the same AMA/CMA-oriented monopoly as
the U.S. and they get what they want).

In Winnipeg, I used to go to high school with the son of the chief
actuary from Great-West Life; his dad liked me 'cos I was one of the
few people who could understand math ... I asked him how universal
amortization worked, and his answer was: "Oh, long division!" (-;

Basically, your skydivers and bungee-jumpers disappear in the IEEE
floating point round-off during computer analysis.

[Maybe Herman Rubin can tackle the above since he's in Stats ...  but
he's in an ivory tower, not the real world like Great-West Life so ...
(Just kidding, Herman!!! (-; (-; (-;)]

>Bear in mind that the population is 1/10 that of the US--obviously
>a larger population can support more diversity of expertise.

Most people down here don't know that ... they also think that we've
had the NDP (Labour) in Ottawa since the Russian Revolution. (-;

{Actually, the NDP have never held power in Ottawa.}

>>The biggest problem is that it is run by government bureaucrats, who
>>SO FAR have not been too bad.  "To err is human; to foul things up
>>takes a computer; to really make a mess of things takes a government."
>
>I certainly can't disagree with the potential for government messing 
>things up.  Maybe we've just been lucky so far, and the system certainly 
>is not perfect, but I consider myself fortunate to have access to it.

Herman is talking about Big Brother, the dude from "1984", not the 
data entry drones processing bills like we have in real life.

Hey, if our Canadian governments were *providing* the health care you
certainly wouldn't be seeing us all here trying to set things right!!!

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: NICODERM
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:35:08 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

[reply to rwharris@unix0.ccit.arizona.edu]
 
>The Doctor is refusing to give a perscription because I have the start
>of a blockage in my left leg.  I have had a vascular profile done since
>then and consultation with a vascular surgeon.  Concensus of opinion
>was that the condition does not warrant surgery but I do need to quit
>smoking, "OK thats what I started with but still no patches to help.
>Again the question, Is Nicoderm more dangerous to the vascular system
>than a two pack a day habit ???
 
No, but it is just as dangerous.  If you backslide and start to smoke
occasionally while on the patch, it could be more dangerous.  There is
some controversy about how helpful the patch really is.  It is possible
to quit without it, of course.  I don't think you'll find a reputable
doctor to give you the patch with your peripheral vascular disease.

David Nye
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med,ca.earthquakes
From: frankh@sr.hp.com (Frank Hamlin)
Subject: Re: earthquakes during surgery
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:52:28 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]
Followup-To: sci.med,ca.earthquakes

: I *hope* that for once the "$50 per Tylenol caplet" medical profession does
: *nothing* about this possibility. What are the odds of this being a real
: problem? What are the odds of the surgeon not reacting fast enough, even to
: a real "jolt" 

While getting a vasectamy, I was talking with the doctor.  While joking
with him I said to get those sharp things away from me if we have an
earthquake.  Without missing a beat, he looked at me and said
"Yea, it's really bad form to loose a patient from a vasectamy"

--
From: jaa@su19a.ess.harris.com (John Auer)
Subject: Rapid Onset of IBS?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:53:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL

The intent of this post is not to seek diagnosis, but to
gather any alternative ideas with which to discuss with
my doctor.

I became ill approximately 2 months ago: large amounts of
gas, diarrhea, and painful stomach cramps, especially in
my lower right abdomen.  The time from the first sign of
any symptoms to the time I needed to seek medical help was
approximately 3 weeks.  My physician suspected a
parasitic infection (I won't even try to spell it):
gee-ar-dia.  After a negative stool sample, the diagnosis
became IBS.  I began taking Librax 3 times daily.

The Librax relieved the diarrhea, but the gas and cramps
remain.  The efficacy of the Librax seems to be waning as
time goes by, as well.

After reading up about IBS/Librax, and related info,
it seems that IBS is not something characterized by
such a rapid onset.  My own dietary changes (abstinence
from dairy products/fats/etc) have not had an impact,
which also seems to contradict IBS.  I have not had
a major "stress" event in recent memory, either.

My question, then, would be: does IBS seem to be a
sensible diagnosis in this case?  Does IBS sometimes
have such a rapid onset?  Are there alternatives
that I should discuss with my physician?  One
could reasonably argue that I should be having THIS
discussion with my physician, and I somewhat agree.
But, being cold and flu season, the appointment will
be days away at best (non-critical), so I thought
I might poll the net before scheduling a followup.

My thanks in advance for any help you might offer.
E-mail or post, as desired.

Regards,

John
jaa@su19a.ess.harris.com
From: U56149@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:13:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.93026.091302U56149
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Dear Terry,

You an others may be interested in the views of a Canadian physician
that were published last Fall.  Ian R. Munro, "How not to improve health
care", Reader's Digest v.141, Sept., 1992, pp 40-53.  This isn't the New
England Journal of Medicine or JAMA, but he seems to know whereof he
speaks.

Sincerely,

G. L. Bartlett
Pathology, Peoria, IL
u56149@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
Xref: sparky sci.med:24335 sci.skeptic:22766
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Characterization of quack theories
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:12:50 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan20.104133.12215@vms.eurokom.ie>, mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
>In article <1jgj2gINNmfr@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU 
>(Carl J Lydick) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan11.101735.12199@vms.eurokom.ie>, mdebuitlear writes:
>>>While I don't disagree with what you are saying, you are oversimplying 
>>>somewhat I can think of any number of complaints that will not improve in 
>>>the slightest by following your prescription (bed rest etc.) That is why I 
>>>said a wide range of illnesses, you missed my point.
>> 
>> Could we have a bit less arm-waving?  How about some specific illnesses to
>> which you claim to be referring?
>
>Not too sure I understand what is required. Can you not think of many 
>complaints that will not be cured by bedrest ? - or am I missing the point ?

Nice strategy there.  When backed into a corner, plead overwhelming stupidity.
Let's see if I can put this in words of one syllable for you:
	NAME A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT ARE SAID TO HAVE BEEN CURED BY THE SHIT
	YOU TELL US WORKS.
Simple enough for you?  You say that a particular type of medicine is effective
on "a wide range of illnesses."  You do not, of course, tell us what any of
these illnesses are.

>Arm waving ? - I wouldn't agree, its fairly common practice around here to 
>clarify a point that have have been misunderstood (or missed completely).

Yes, arm-waving.  "This therapy work on lots of things."  "What things?"  "A
wide range of illnesses."  What's the matter, don't you know what any of these
illnesses are?  Are you just making up your claims on the fly?

Name some of the illnesses you claim are cured by the therapies you advocate.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.med
From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:16:52 GMT

 Broekman) writes:
>In article <C1FC0p.6EM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 
>hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>There are several things wrong with it, and it is not all that much 
>>cheaper than the cost in the US.  One generally agreed problem is that
>>many "standard" procedures are not done in Canada, and while the Canadian
>>plan often picks up the costs, it does not pay the travel, and it does
>>not help defray the development costs, which US care does.  For another,
>
>Of course, were I Canadian, I could take a year off from school without
>worrying about paying for things like allergy and asthma medication.

 The Canadian health plan only covers medication costs for seniors
(>65) and welfare recipients.  If you're poor, but not poor enough for
welfare you're out of luck.

>
>>one must find a primary care physician, and all else must be referred
>>through that doctor; I believe that changing such is difficult.  Also,
>
  There is absolutely no difficulty at all changing family doctors.
One simply requests their records be transferred and voila.  I think
it's a good thing that all referrals be done through the family
doctor.  Most times nno referral is needed at all because the family
doctorr can manage the problem quite well without running the expense
to the system of a much higher paid specialist.


>The healthcare plan I'm currently on (via my parents) also requires finding
>a primary care physician, and changing such isn't particularly easy.
>
>		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mickey@altger.altos.de (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Medline/LARS database software?
Organization: Altos Computer Systems Munich
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:03:56 GMT



I tried to send this to jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu, but it bounced...
In any case, I wasn't specific enough in my original query, so I'm
reposting with more information:

My friend wants to be able to create local data-bases (titles/authors/abstracts)
as well as search Medline format data.  He says he can upload Medline records
from his University to his PC.  He also says he has heard of a program/package
called LARS which gives him at least part of these abilities, but he is not
sure if it is Medline "compatable", or if it has its own format.  He'd like
a program which can read both formats (if there are two), but understanding
Medline is a pre-requisite.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

					-Michael Thompson
					mickey@altger.altos.de
From: fgedzium@BBN.COM (FrancEs Gedzium)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Legionnaires
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:37:25 GMT
Reply-To: fgedzium@BBN.COM (FrancEs Gedzium)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: star-trek.bbn.com

I work in a relatively new building in the Boston area.  Several
folks lately have been out sick with pnuemonia type symptoms but
the last 3 people who have been to the Doctors have mentioned
checking for Legionnaires' disease.  Is that possible in a heated
building?  Is it contagious between co-workers?  There are currently
four people out with the same symptoms and they are all in adjoining
offices.

FrancEs

By the way they are all sick within a day or two of each other.
One is in the hospital and the other 3 have been to the doctors
over this weekend.
hIs is I and hEr is E
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: insomnia... help!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:28:36 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Does anyone have any info on insomnia and/or other sleep disorders
online?  If so, could you forward it to me?
                                                            Mike Brown
_  _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient