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From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Washington/Dallas Matchup
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:43:58 GMT

In article <1gakkoINNgld@agate.berkeley.edu> grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes:
>rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) wrote:
>>If the can't beat Dallas, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs
>>anyway, and they would loose to them again in the NFC championship if it
>>came to that. I think they understand this too.
>
>I disagree with that first statement on the face of it.  Dallas and SF are
>arguably playing the best football in the NFL this year, and many would say
>all other teams would, most likely, lose to them.  Do we want to cancel the
>Wild Card spots & Minnesota's spot?  (Sorry Green Bay fans)

If Minnesota looses to SF this weekend (is that game this weekend? never
mind..) who would you favor in the Superbowl if they faced off? If
Dallas beats the 'Skins here, what do you think the spread would be,
'Skins vs. Dallas, *in Texas*? You can't scrape by in a season computing
the minimal way to win. The Redskins *need* to win against Dallas to
prove themselves that they are back in the groove and a playoff
contender.

>
>As for a loss on Sunday implying a loss in the NFC championship game to
>Dallas, I'll eschew logic and resort to the cliche, "It's hard to beat a
>team three times in the same season."

Hmmm. What do you think would have happened if we had played say,
Atlanta or Detroit for a third time last year? Same thing that happened
the first two times....

>PS  That aside, Go Skins, Beat Dallas!
and die Green Bay, loose bad! :-)


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From: RLAG10@email.sps.mot.com (Gary Gavlick)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Motorola SPS, Analog Automotive
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:52:12 GMT


> >>John, if you could relax for a moment, let me play devil's advocate for
> >>a moment.  The Niners' period of dominance was roughly 20-25 years later
> >>than the Packers'.  In that interval, players have become bigger, faster
> >>and quicker, and stronger.  (I confess to not having statistics to back
> >>this up, but I think it's generally recognized.)  Training regimens have
> >>become much stiffer.  The game has become much more complex and more is
> >>demanded mentally of the players.  And because of the longer season,
> >>more endurance is needed.  Finally, a case could be made that the level
> >>of competition is higher.

> >>Personal team allegiances aside, I think it's quite supportable that
> >>a modern "dynasty" team would be better than a latter-day counterpart.
> >>We'll never know, of course, but it's an interesting mental exercise
> >>to consider taking the 1989 Niners back in time 25 years and letting
> >>them play 10 games against the Pack.  For the reasons mentioned in
> >>the above paragraph, I'd expect the Niners to win the majority.


  I'm jumping into this discussion late but I have always enjoyed "what if"
scenarios.  The basis for this argument seems to be that the 1980's Niners
would be superior to the 60's Packers because of the improved physical
conditioning (including access to steriods?) of the players.  In the 60's,
though, there were fewer teams (14 vs. 28) dividing up players between them
and so the high-level talent was more concentrated.  (I've heard arguements
against further league-expansion because it dilutes the talent on each
team.)  Thus the 60's Packers probably had more natural athletes than the
80's Niners which might offset the better conditioning of the present-day
athelete.
   Also one has to considered how the NFL constantly tinkers with the game
(allowing off. linemen to extend arms, no bumping the receiver after 5 yds,
etc.).  My impression of the Niners has always been that there are very few
HoF players on the team but that the team uses an excellent system and is
very well-coached.  Would the passing system developed by Walsh been as
effective using the rules of the 60's ?
  Finally what about the 70's Steelers vs the 80's Niners ?  This was a
team with HoF players on the defensive line, at linebacker, secondary, and
quarterback.  The Niners were vulnerable to strong defensive teams ('85
Bears, '86 & '90 Giants) and the Steel Curtain was one of the most
dominating in the history of the game -- especially if you're playing by
70's rules.          

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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: Mr. Controversy
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:15:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)

In article <1992Dec14.195128.19037@colorado.edu> loucks@csn.org (Lord Vader) writes:
>Mr Controversy, are you really this stupid?  If you would ever read
>what you said and what I said, you would have nothing to say.

First of all, though the subject line says "Mr. Controversy", the person
whose article you quoted was me.  I am, by no means, "Mr. Controversy".  If
you are going to ask about the stupidity of the people you are quoting, you
could at least try to get the attributions correct.

>From your own posting...
>>>(at least offensively) than Seattle.  But since the time
>>>Seattle entered the league in 1976, the Hawks have done better.

>>For this you want to invoke history?  Ok.  Let's play the history game.
>>There's only one team in the NFL which has ever won three consecutive
>>league championships (and has accomplished that feat twice, I might add).
>>Can you name that team?

>Note the part of the sentence where I said 'since Seattle entered the
>league in 1976'.  I know the answer to your question of course, but have
>they done this since 1976?

I had hoped you'd figure this out for yourself, but I guess I'm going to
have to explain this further.

Why should we stop our excursion into history at the point where the
Seahawks entered the league?  Is this some magical point in history before
which nothing happened?

No.  You have a choice: either compare the teams as they are this season,
in which case it's a pure insult to talk about the two as being the same,
or compare the respective records of the two teams in their entirety, in 
which case the bright spots in Packer history are mere wet dreams for former
Seahawk players.

In any event, do _not_ expect to be able to compare one team's history with
a blip in another teams history without being flagged for illegal procedure.
Do you get it now?


-- 
Rick Schaut
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: comments on Vikings/Niners
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:39:17 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Doggone, another great ball game.  You could tell the difference in
the Vikes this year.  In the past, Vikes have won close games on
Niners but they've usually been athletically well matched (if not
better), and have had some breaks go their way.  This game they
were overmatched, had no breaks go their way, and put the game on
the shoulders of a very inexperienced QB.

Vikings fans:  don't get down on your team, they have the
foundations to be very successful.  Gannon has a lot to learn, but
he'll learn it.

Back to the Niners.

Is there a Niner fan out there who will step up and say:

"I was wrong about Seifert, he is a great coach afterall"

Many of you were all over him for the drafts of the last couple
years.  Amp Lee,  Dana Hall, Ted Washington were all ragged on by a
couple of you, (not to mention the 'trade Steve Young bozos'.  All
played significant roles this game.  I suppose most of you will wait
until after the Super Bowl, but by then the bandwagon will be pretty
full of the usual cap locks, profanity, and woofing.

I really don't mind my team getting ragged on, especially if it's
a Saints/Rams fan etc., but from a Niner fan... sheesh.

Defense:
The Niner D is just about there.  Classic stuff, making those
third down sacks in the fourth quarter.  Dana Hall is becoming a
player (gradually), the Seifert method of using lots of D linemen
all year and all game is beginning to pay dividends.

I do have one big area of concern, and that's the D backfield's
hands.  They've made lots of plays this year on passes, yet have
seemingly dropped more INTs than they've caught.  I wonder if they
miss Ray Rhodes?  The young D backfield's progress and improvement
has been fine otherwise.

O line:
McKittrick is reported to have ragged on Young for causing most of
the sacks by missing open receivers and hanging on to the ball too
long.  Sorry Bob, that was a good D line you were playing against
and your boys were banged up.  Bob M is a loose cannon in the
organization.  Tamm played well until he got hurt.

The special teams failure where Wilmsmeyer was tackled on the 5
actually shows how good the special teams have been this year.  I'm
used to watching the Niners hang themselves on Special teams and
keep teams that are inferior on D and O in games.  This year they've
been very good.

I was very excited to see Vikes with the ball, needing only to drive
to FG range to tie it in the last 5 minutes.  Before the drive, I
thought about how this was the signature of the Niner Super Bowl
Defenses, to dominate a situation and stop a drive to win it.
They've only once had what might be considered a dominant D, in
1984, and this D is not as good.  I do believe they are as good as
the others now.

Mike
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: another joke
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:04:33 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec13.011159.15805@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|My favorite football joke goes like this (I first heard it several years
|ago; it's not really appropriate at present) :

My favorite football joke...

Kowalkski was the third string quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Being
third in line he ended up spending most of the game sitting on the bench.
Every game he'd go out with the team, get all fired up, and then find a spot
on the bench where he'd sit for the remaining of the game.  One Saturday
morning he said to his wife, "You know, I'm getting really tired of just
sitting on the bench every week.  I don't even want to show up for the
game tomorrow morning."  "Oh, no.  You can't do that", his wife said, "you
have a committment to the team."  The next morning Kowalski got up and told
his wife that he had decided that he wasn't going to go to the stadium and
went off to tinker with something in the garage.  His wife, worried that
he might his job, had an idea.  She got out his uniform and put on his
shoulder pads, hip pads, his pants and jersey, and then his helmet.  Since
she would a good size Polish woman herself she figured she wouldn't be
recognized since she'd be sitting on the bench anyway.  So she drove down
to the stadium and went running out onto the field with the rest of the
team and then found a spot on the bench.  The team was playing real poorly
that day and by half time it was 28-0.  They started the second half with
the second string quarterback and by the third quarter it was now 42-0.  The
the Steelers got the ball early in the fourth quarter the coach yelled over
to her, "all right Kowalski, get out there".  She just nodded her head and
ran out on to the field.  She got in behind the center, took the snap and
went back to pass.  The defense had called a blitz and she was blindsided
by a 280 pound lineman.  Knocked her right out.  The team doctors came 
running out and immediately called for a stretcher.  They put her on the
stretcher and carried her into the locker room.  They laid her down on a 
table shook her arms, then shook her legs, and she didn't come to. The 
doctors weren't sure what was wrong with her so they carefully, cut off
the jersey, her pants, and then carefully removed her shoulder and hip pads.
The doctor then put each hand on one of her breasts and start pushing 
vigorously.  Just then she woke up and said, "What in the hell are you doing?"
"Don't worry, Kowalski", the doctor said, "I soon as I get your balls back in
place your pecker will pop back out"

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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: STEELER REPORT
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:31:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Dream on Steelers you got a date in Orchard Park NY!

Prediction Bills 50 Steelers 34 !


No Flames till after the games!!!!!!
From: wayne@waynes.frontiertech.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Questions for Steeler Fans
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:25:55 GMT
Organization: Frontier Technologies Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: waynes.frontiertech.com

Can Bubby Brister bounce back from last week?
Will Neil O' Donnell be back for the playoffs?
What is the attitude around Pittsburgh this week?
Will they be ready for the Vikings?


A hopeful Packers fan
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 11 Time World Champs!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:04:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec15.042508.2826@cnsvax.uwec.edu> jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>I have been reading postings for a couple months now and I finally have decided
>to post something myself.
>
>It has come to my attention that Vikings fans get a hard-on by ripping on my
>lifelong favorite team, the Green Bay Packers.  Well, I look at it this way. 
>As long as we keep winning while you Viking (kind of ironic to have a warrior's
>name for a bunch of whining, drunk-driving, crybaby, purple-foot eaters, huh)
>fans keep flaming, go ahead.  We will see you in the roller dome on the 27th.
>
>
>HERE'S TO THE 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION GREEN BAY PACKERS!!!!!
>
>
>Since I started reading, I have noticed that no matter how much you MUDDU


Oh quit it already.  You are starting to sound like a 49ers/Cowboys/Eagles
fan.  The Pack are on their way up and will dominate the NFC Central for
the next coming years (what's that stat 28 new coaches and 13 new players
or something like that??) so even if the Pack doesn't make the playoffs
and the Vikes (who are a good team) do, rest easy in the knowledge that
you have:

a) someone destined to be one of the best QBs in the league at
   your helm.
b) a great wide receiver who is finally getting his due and
c) a proven offensive scheme lead by a good head coach.

satish nair
bitter & twisted giants fan

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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: gannon
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:41:04 GMT

root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:


>According to my sources, Denny Green will start Sean Salisbury a.k.a
>"t-bone" against the steelers sunday.

>-----------------------------------------
>J.R. Ordon
>A VERY nervous Vikings fan

I heard as early as Monday (ok, maybe Tuesday) on sports talk radio here
in the Twin Cities that Salisbury "gets the nod" for the Steelers game.

This quarterback situation seems tragic to me in that Gannon seems to have
lost any of the confidence that he may have had.  But confidence and running
ability alone will not make it possible for Gannon to be a good NFL quarter-   
back.  If he is to be a good NFL quaterback, he must see the field much 
better than he does now.  

John Ganske
From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lookinng to be Castrated? (Was: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 09:45:46 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this



(((LOTS OF STUPID STUFF DELETED WHICH I'M SUCH YOU CAN READ 50 MORE TIMES 
	ANYWAY))))
This is his name....
>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
>Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
>Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)

The group is cluttered enough.  I suggest you figure out how to make it stop
I notice the (boring) article is posted every 5 minutes almost to the minute.
Please stop before you find your tires slashed!!!!!!!!!! :) 

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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:58:21 GMT

jg> John "Lame Flame" Gloria
gs> Gary Strand

jg> [ pure, petty whining from Gary "the nowhere man" Strand deleted ]

  It ain't whining, sonny, it's flaming. If you can't tell the difference,
  well, you're beyond hope.

  BTW, I don't flame you because you're a 49er fan and I'm a Bronco fan. I
  flame you because you're you. Of course, being a 49er fan doesn't help
  you.

jg> You don't have the foggiest idea of what football is about unless your
    stats are right in front of your foul-smelling mouth.

  Calling me halitosistic again, eh? That's certainly original. Probably
  because it's so silly and such a poor excuse for a flame.

  BTW, at the very least I know what's going on in football from a statistical
  viewpoint. About the only knowledge you've demonstrated is that you know
  that the 49ers are an NFL team. BFD.

jg> Like I said, If you can't take it, which is obvious, you should just get
    under your covers and jack-off in your pissed-stained mattress.

  The weakest flames are vulgar flames; you're incapable of generating any-
  thing else, ergo, your flames are weak.

  What is it that I can't take? Flames from you? What you call a flame isn't
  even a flame. The fact that the 49ers smashed the Broncos in the Super
  Bowl after the 1989 season? That was three years ago. The fact that the
  49ers are in the playoffs, and have the best record in the NFL, and the
  Broncos need major help even to get into the playoffs? Hey, that's the
  breaks. There's nothing I can do about it.

  The one thing that pisses me off is your attitude. It sure is easy to be a
  fan for a good team. You were still in diapers when the 49ers won their
  1st Super Bowl. You don't even know that the 49ers sucked real bad between
  1973 and 1980. 1 whole winning season (at 8-6) that whole time. I have a
  lot more respect for fans of teams that stink. You're a bandwagon fan.

jg> Wanna discuss football great!

  You're incapable of discussing football. All I see is a putrid flow coming
  from what you call a mouth.

jg> The 'Boys still suck 

  I'd watch what you say. 11-3 doesn't exactly "suck".

jg> and the FOOTBALL GODS still rule, you insignificant little man.

  There are no FOOTBALL GODS, John. 

  You're a disgrace to r.s.f.p. Now go away. I and many others have had our
  fill of you. 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:30:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Dec12.123011.19832
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: bw286@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cleveland A. Hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chicago Bears joke
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:46:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I heard this the other day on WSCR (820 AM), the local sports station.

Q: What do Mike Ditka and Billy Graham have in common?

A: They both can make 60,000 people jump up and shout "Jesus Christ!"

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