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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Progress for Transsexuals in France (news item)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:44:54 GMT

This is only hearsay, but I'm told by my boyfriend Alex that a
Napoleonic law forbidding people to appear in public wearing the
clothes of the opposite sex has never been repealed, and is
occasionally used by the police to harass transvestites and
transsexuals.  Presumably post-op transsexuals, at least, will now be
immune to this harassment.

Alex knows a good number of TVs and TSs so I am inclined to believe he
knows what he is talking about.

,
Eamonn
Xref: sparky soc.motss:53034 alt.politics.homosexuality:8177
From: allyn@halcyon.com (mark allyn)
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:14:52 GMT

I have a very good solution to parking.

Get rid of your car and get a bicycle.

I have survived for 14 years without a car. This includes 3 years in 
Rhode Island, 3 years in car capital California, and 8 years in Seattle.

I ride the bike 17 miles each way to and from work. I ride the bike to
church, shopping, parties, meeting; everything.

Here in Seattle, just about all of the major downtwon hotels have *free*
enclosed bicycle parking. Moreover their bike racks are within sight of
the guard which discourages anyone from tampering with your bike. I
ought to know. I have a bicycle with close to a thousand dollars worth
of ham radio equipment on it and it has not been touched. 

Many venues such as the theater, some restaurants, most churches, etc
will let me bring my bike inside where it is safe from weather and 
prying hands for the asking. I have been denied only once in 7 years
and that time I merely waited until the guy got out of sight and parked
my bike in the building anyways. 

I don't go the bars (I am a non drinker) but I imagine that many of the
bars should be accomodating as well if they value their customers. I
know that one of the baths (now closed) in San Diego, would let you
bring your bike inside. 

There are many benifits of bicycling. It keeps you in shape. It keeps
you looking beutifull without having the spend $$$ at health clubs.
It is cheap. I can buy a new bike almost every year on the cost savings
of not owning and using a car. My hoveowner's insurance covers the
liability and theft issues. I dont need to purchase additional 
insurance. My doctor is very pleased that I am doing it. Overall, it
is a very good solution for transportation needs in cities and
suburban areas. 

In fact, one of the most enjoyable experiences is riding the bike
to the opera in the rain, breezing by all of the cars that are stuck
in traffic (and blowing kisses at all of the cute men in them as I
breeze by) and arriving at the opera house ready to relax to enjoy
the show!

Try it!

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss
Keywords: politics, gay, motss, traffic, intention
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:53:10 GMT

In article <Bz5xvK.69I@hico2.westmark.com> allan@hico2.westmark.com writes:
>
>Based on the tremendous amount of traffic in talk.politics.misc
>AND many other groups, [which started with one way-too-widely
>crossposted article following the november elections],
>I'd like to suggest the creation of one or more of the following groups:
>
> soc.motss.politics
> talk.politics.motss
> alt.activism.motss
>  

Wouldn't any group with the words 'politics' or 'activism' etc.  in
its name attract homophobic posters, like Danny Karnes (etc. ) on
alt.politics.homosexuality?  I stopped reading that group because it
seemed to me like it was just a big slug-fest between pro and con.
How can such a thing be guarded against, when politics is the issue?

--scoT
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From: thrift@ra.csc.ti.com (Phil Thrift)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cross-Posting
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:59:46 GMT
Organization: TI Central Research Laboratories, Dallas

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> A gentle reminder to the cohort of soc.motss:
> ...
> If an article truly belongs in soc.motss, in most cases it's
> a good idea to edit out the names of other groups.  If the
> article you're responding to doesn't really pertain to
> soc.motss (according to your own best judgment), then when
> responding it makes sense to edit soc.motss out of the list.

Besides. Cross-posting is illegal in Texas.

(Or is that cross-dressing??)

Phil
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: weird trees
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:35:41 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu
Keywords: aluminum, tacky, unfathomable

In <17572@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:


>Speaking of tacky Christmas decorations, there is one
>persistent image in my mind that I can't seem to get rid
>of.  Some will no doubt remember, some will have tried
>to forget, and perhaps some will never have known it.

>Yes: the aluminum Christmas tree.

>Is there any greater mystery that haunts this season
>than: why the aluminum Christmas tree?

Why ask "Why?".  (Sorry, couldn't resist... :-)

In my case, the "Why" is that my late grandmother got an aluminum tree
when I was 5 years old, and it was bequeathed to me when she passed
away last year.  I use the word "bequeathed" somewhat sarcastically --
neither my aunt (with no children) nor my mother (I'm an only child)
wanted the damn thing, but they both decided it was just "too nice" (?)
for it to leave the family.  Suddenly, "VOILA!  Mike's not here, and
can't say he doesn't want it.".  

Not only did I get a six-foot silver tree, but three boxes of blue
and red decorative balls and two, count'em, _TWO_ color wheels.
Well, actually only one of them is a color "wheel".  The other is
apparently from the 1950's (I never saw it my entire life, and neither
my mother nor aunt would admit having seen it, either):  an opaque
globe, inside of which is a 6-sided cylinder surrounding a 100-watt
light bulb.  The cylinder is attached to a motor to make it "spin"
around the bulb.  It looks like "mood lighting" for a dance the
Brady Bunch kids might have had 20-some-odd years ago.  :-)

We've not used the tree, and I don't see us ever using it (the husbear
absolutely _hates_ the thing), but no one seems to want ancient tacky
fake trees.  Oh well, after a few more years it will have some value as
an antique, I guess.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Les joies de la langue!
Originator: swc@owl
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:42:27 GMT


There are two very good books to keep handy,  "Merde" and "Merde Encore" by
Geneveve.  These two books cover the necessary slang and filth one needs to
survive in a french speaking country.  <smile>.

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed by the 'phone company?
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:01:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec15.120113.9991
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <memo.809852@cix.compulink.co.uk> dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>
>How do help and advice lines provide confidentiality for their
>callers in countries where 'phone bills itemise the numbers
>called?

The telephone number is listed, but the name attached to the number
isn't listed. That is how it works in France and, for the most part,
in the US. Unless someone goes through a phone list and dials every
number on it to see what the call was (farfetched) I think it is
pretty private.

>party called has to pay the charge.  Many employers have
>computerised phone systems that print out lists of all the
>numbers called from each extention.

This has existed for some time.

>such as a parent's or from work - to such as an AIDS advice line
>or a lesbian or gay switchboard, may be afraid that their making
>the call will be exposed through the 'phone bill.

Again, unless all numbers are verifieed by calling them to find out
what is on the other end, there is a mystery about the bill.

>And users of public 'phones can often be easily overheard.

In most European cuntries, UK included, there are places where you can
go to make a phonecall in the privacy of a small room.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Legos
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:32:15 GMT

In <1992Dec14.233553.9888@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:

>If ya really wanna "wow" certain people with your toys, try
>having a Twister party!  Around Christmas!  In front of a
>roaring fireplace!  And, best of all, just invite that one
>special friend!!

>Noel!!
>--Michael

If you want to make it *really interesting try including a 
LARGE quantity of water based lubricant! :-)
-- 
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From: black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: An Apology
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:07:46 GMT

In article <12DEC199201392969@cc.utah.edu>, beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER) writes:
|> 
|> But dear Lou IS a bitch...  quite an anal one at that.
|> 
|> Offense in this group stems from insecurity, not from some perceived
|> sign that the user of the word 'bitch' means to support directly or
|> indirectly any harm that the word has caused in the past or may in
|> the future.  Simple, Lou IS a bitch...  Among other things...

Aren't I the lucky one!  I'm sure glad I have people willing to explain
me to myself.  Otherwise I'd NEVER figure it out.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:07:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec14.000732.1791
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu> charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton) writes:
>Yeah, yeah, yeah.  CD's have a wider dynamic range, but the sound
>reproduction within vinyl's narrower range is superior.

I was cleaning out my closet the other day, and came across a few issues
of the Boston Audio Society _Speaker_ magazine from 10 years ago, when
the CD was first released.  Of course, the BAS has long been a champion
of rigorous double-blind testing when it comes to controversies like this.
As far as I can tell, a CD can be made to sound indistinguishable from its
corresponding vinyl: you merely need to add a smidge of wow-and-flutter,
a high-frequency preemphasis due to faulty RIAA equalization circuits in
the audio auteurs' phono preamps, a few clicks and pops, and a haze of
low-frequency rumble and high-frequency hiss!  I imagine such a circuit
could be manufactured pretty cheaply if there were enough demand.

One of the BAS issues had a cute summary of some AES meetings where one guy
claimed that listing to digital audio made one "weaker".  Someone would
stretch an arm out with the vinyl playing and be able to keep an arm out-
stretched even while someone was pressing down on it.  Then a CD would be
played, and the person's arm would be pushed down immediately.  Gasp.

Anyway, Charlie, unless your tastes run to the entire collected works of
"Tangerine Dream" and "Megadeth", I doubt you'd enjoy George's old record
collection. :-)


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: A Better Year Ahead
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:03:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.164017.8031@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >But there are other issues to be worked out too.  I see
> >these as including, but not limited to:
> >
> >-  Changing the base name from motss to something more
> >   obviously related to lesbian, gay, and bisexual
> >   interests.  We've had very full discussions of this issue
> >   several times in the not too distant past.  From those
> >   discussions, "gay" alone won't fly.  There's close to
> >   complete consensus, I think, that we need greater
> >   inclusiveness than that.  Strictly for economy, lots of
> >   us say LGB or LGBO to refer to the cohort.  But unless
> >   you're already familiar with that acronym, it's every bit
> >   as opaque as motss.  That's why I currently favor
> >   soc.lesbigay.
> 
> 	We've done OK for 9.2 years - it's not like the group isn't
> surviving for lack of exposure.  While we're also trying to cut 
> down on unwarranted crosspostings, even looking in one of the other
> more obvious groups, say a.p.h or soc.bi, one wouldn't take too long
> to notice soc.motss.

  Even though I really like the "in" nature of knowing what motss means,
and that I find name very cute (and the subject of lots of silly threads)
I think that Jess is right. The name of this group is utterly opaque
to the uninformed. If it weren't for the newsgroups description, and
the oblique reference to Jesse Helms, it would have been quite a
while before I wised up to this. 
  I also had some reason to expect this groups existence since every
other thing under the sun has a newsgroup. However, for a muffin who
is 18 and just coming out -- too frightened to even hope that such a
caring and supportive group such as this exists, well, I would expect
that they might not find it. This group with its spectacular diversity
can be a real benefit to the "all alone" "shut in" "nobody else is"
phase. There are a lot of college students out there who are just 
coming to terms with their sexuality who are utterly out in the
boondocks. There be *no* gay life where they are, and this group is
a very large window to the outside world. 
  It's really difficult to see such a quaint name, with almost a
clubbish like atmosphere it engenders go by the wayside, but I think
it is time to be responsible toward what this groups real purpose
originally was: having an open forum on gay/lesbian/bi issues. A cryptic
name serves to hide us (which, no doubt was the original purpose), but
it seems that the time has come to open ourselves up. <sigh>
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh, Pa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:38:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71465@cup.portal.com> <1g9t1dINNimm@mizar.usc.edu>

Arne Adolphson bleats:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Steve Dyer writes:
>> >Get out of the wrong side of the bed today?
>> I've become convinced that Arne's bed *HAS* no "right" side.
>
>I can state with no fear of contradiction that that is
>something you'll never find out the answer to first hand.

You cannot *CONCEIVE* how incredibly happy I am to hear this.

>And, if I do say so myself, you're the one who comes out
>the poorer here.

Only because you're saying so yourself. Deflate that ego a
bit, Arne; the pressure's getting to what passes for your
brain.

 
() The chief danger in life is that you may take too many
() precautions.
()      -- Alfred Adler
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:12:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu>, charlie@isis.mit.edu
(Charlie Fulton) wrote:

> Vinyl 4ever!

But what's the seek time on one of them there vinyl-ROM drives?

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: pitfalls of foreign languages
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:44:48 GMT

dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) wrote: 
->In English, there's a big difference between:
->
->	"I am Danish" and
->	"I am a danish"

a muffin by any other name ...

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
From: buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Dyke to head HHS
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:24:12 GMT

mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marc Vincent Conte) writes:


>I just found out that Clinton tapped the chancellor of UW to
>head the Dept. of Health and Human Services.  Is this the same
>woman who has been repeatedly outed by Miriam Ben-Shalom?

Miriam Ben-Shalom has been outing DONNA SHALALA? When? I also have an activist
friend [hi Jari!] who insists that Shalala is a lesbian but has no proof 
whatsoever.

I think we should at least try to follow SOME kind of journalistic rigor when
outing people.

Speaking of which, can someone explain to me why JIM MCRERY (R-LA) from the 5th
Congressional District was re-elected on Tuesday November 3rd after being outed
reasonably efectively by _The Advocate_? 

The conservative voters of New Orleans re-elected a known homosexual to 
reprsent them in Congress?

Did McRery stop denying the ``charges'' that he is homosexual?

[cross-posting to talk.politics.misc]
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
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Q. What's the difference between a conservative and a bigot?
A. A conservative attempts to defend his/her prejudices rationally.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:50:05 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: Gay food

In article <1992Dec16.192621.8730@PacBell.COM> 
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
> > rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
> >So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
> >queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"
>
> Obviously, anything from Arne's Joan Crawford Cookbook,
> or arnold's Virgin Mary's Spinach Delite, or even a
> Birkenstock Casserole -- since this *is* a potluck..

Oh, I don't know about that, Rod.  I can't recall any
recipes from _My Way of Life_ that might truly represent
queer *couture*.  I'm not even sure what queer couture
is these days.  Are bicycle shorts still in?  Levis with
faded crotches and the top button undone?  Queer
sophisticates always look divine in black leather jackets,
but I'm not sure what food might represent a black leather
jacket.  Anyone have any ideas?

Arne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Indications of homosexuality 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:17:47 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:

 >   His hair is curly enough to sport a mean looking
 >   Afro which is cool but when it is long, I loose him for hours while
 >   he beats and threatens his hair into submission.  Besides being easier
 >   to subdue when it is short, he is absolutely adorable. =)


Is it the hair that's easier to subdue, or the guy?  (I'd have
thought you'd subdue him more easily if he had hair you could
grab in a hurry, but it didn't work that way for Samson.)


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: New DPN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:35:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <smith_bob_e-151292134004@loc100-mtalk3.atalk.tandem.com>,
smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Mod Bob) wrote:

> If you're into gorgeous, muscled, Blond Bubble Butt Surf Boys 
> (John, Kyle, Beau, Brian, Tim and the rest), I can _heartily_ recommend 
> the Boogie Boarding Lesson.  *sigh*  ;-)

I find this constant repetition of the blond, bubble butt surf
boys motif to be, quite frankly, tedious.  You are perpetuating
the false stereotype that all homosexuals are interested in is
having as much sex, as possible, with blond, bubble butt surf
boys.  I, myself, while certainly not opposed to such practices,
prefer brunettes, with thin butts and little tufts of hair between
the navel and groin.

*X*
From: jlappin@dungeonmaster.next.com (Jim Lappin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:41:40 GMT

In article <71735@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
> in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
> human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
> that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
> told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
> 20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. Now you look at your  
SanFrancisc

Arthur, the population in 1990 was roughly 5.2 billion people. The world  
population in 1940 was about 2.7 billion. If this doubling time of the  
population continues to get smaller then it is possible for the population  
to double multiple times in the next century. If the population continues  
to grow and the disease to spread in the previous geometric fashion it is  
quite conceivable that the number of seropositive people could be  
staggering.
_______________________________________________________________________

Jim Lappin Jr.           With stupidity the gods themselves struggle
 _____                   in vain.             Friedrich von Schiller
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Have yourself a fairy little X-Mas (Re: It's That Time of Year ...)
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:54:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.011035.7098@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>I still have the dent in the plaster from when I threw the hardcover
>against the wall in a fit of rage.  I thought it was a loathsome book.
>Of course, that was 14-15 years ago (when did it come out?? 1978?).

	Hey - how come you've never showed me your dent?

BBC

P.S.  what's the weather like down there?  I really need to get to a 
Fax machine this weekend...
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality