HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: reward
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:37:47 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:

However, is it surprising that you are trying to cover what the Catholics, Oh
no I mean the Croats are doing? Silly me, as if they were the first to do it!

Elie replies:

Hehehehe... I am Orthodox old chap! You lose again.
You're just making a total fool out of yourself. (as usual)

[irrelevant material and insults deleted]

Regards, Elie
From: choueiry@liasun1.epfl.ch (Berthe Y. Choueiry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: perturbated service on anonymous ftp server liasun3.epfl.ch
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:24:43 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Dear All,
the actual machine where are located the files related to the middle east
(available by anonymous ftp server liasun3.epfl.ch) *may* be going down for some
time. to be replaced by a more recent (less buggy?) model. you may be able to
connect to liasun3.epfl.ch but won't be able to "cd" to /users/choueiry.
please refrain from sending e-mail in case you fail to reach /users/choueiry.
service will be resumed as quickly as possible.
dates: from Friday Nov. 20 8pm (20.00) to Monday Nov. 23 8am.
this is the second or third attempt to the migration :-)
Cheers,

-- 
Berthe Y. Choueiry

choueiry@lia.di.epfl.ch
LIA-DI, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Ecublens
CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland
Voice: +41-21- 693 52 77			 Fax:   +41-21- 693 52 25
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Syria: Research center for torture.
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:18:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.



Amnesty International's "Torture in the Eighties" documents use of 
torture in at least 66 countries, with allegations of torture in 
six more. As just one example of man's inhumanity to man, AI's Nov. 
1987 Report detailed the following torture methods used in Syria.

- Dullab(Tire): Hanging the victim from a suspended tire and beating
                him/her with sticks, clubs, cables or whips

- Falaqa: Beating soles of the feet

- Bisat-al-Rih (Flying carpet): Strapping victim to piece of wood shaped
                                like a human body and beating him/her, 
                                or applying electric shocks all over
                                victim's body

- Al Kursi al-Almani (the German Chair): A metal chair with moving parts
                                         to which victim is tied by hands 
                                         and feet. The back rest of the chair
                                         bends backwards, causing acute 
                                         hyperextension of the spine and 
                                         severe pressure in the victim's neck
                                         and limbs. This results in difficulty
                                         in breathing almost to the point of
                                         asphyxiation, loss of consciousness
                                         and in some cases fracture of the
                                         vertebrate

- Using domestic appliances such as irons or stoves to burn the body

- Placing piexes of cotton wool soaked in gasoline on various parts
  of the body and setting them on fire; pouring gas over victim's feet
  and setting him/her on fire

- Piercing victim's back or chest with a sharp hot metal rod

- Electric shocks

- Applying caustic substances to the victim's wounds or burns

- Forcing victim to stand in bare feet against a wall with hands tied
  together above head. The top of the victim's foot and toes are then
  crushed with the heel of a boot in a grinding motion

- Plucking hair or skin with pincers or pliers

- Extracting figernails and toenails

- Sexual abuse or assault

- Forcing victim to sit on bottle necks, or inserting bottles or sticks
  into the rectum

Other methods used by Syrian security forces in Lebanon

- Al Ankabout al-Taer (Flying Spider): Hanging victims by their hands 
                                       and feet from the ceiling and 
                                       simultaneously beating them on 
                                       the back

- Placing large lamp of approximately 5000 Watts close to the sking
  which burns as a result

- Applying considerable pressure to the ankle bones by placing a Kalashnikov
  rifle across the ankles and twisting the rifle belt round the body of the
  rifle, so that it is tightly drawn around the back of the ankles.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Article in soc.culture.arabic
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:25:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.175619.16750@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:
>Just to draw the attention of those Lebanese who do not consider
>themselves arabs. Can you respond to the below question ?
>
>
>--------------------------- Quoted Article -------------------------------
>Article: 7663 of soc.culture.arabic
>From: y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jafr bin Haza)
>Subject: Arab Unity
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:10:48 GMT
>
>
>Kaf Halek?
>
>Can someone tell me why lebanese have their own newsgroup?  How can
>Arabs stick together with such nonsense?  The last time I checked
>Lebanese were Arabs????  



Rached, what did you answer? would you defend the rights of your fellow
Lebanese or would you side with Jafr and make fun of us Phoenicians?


>Jafr bin Haza


jokingly  ;)

elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:07:27 GMT
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[ Article cross-posted without permission ]

                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Mon     Fri     Mon     Fri

Lebanon pnd       .000512 .000512 1955.00 1955.00

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: pro-Israeli Lobby
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:05:00 GMT

In article <1dil9qINNe5v@haven.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes...
>In article <1992Nov04.164015.9839@eng.umd.edu> news@eng.umd.edu (C-News)  
>writes:
>> 2- If you're interested in this subject you might
>> want to read :
>> They Dare to Speak Out: people and institutions
>> confront Israel's Lobby
>> by: Paul Findley
>> Publisher: Lawrence Hill, 1985
>> Westport Conn.
>> Paul Findley is an ex-senator who lost his reelection
>> campaign because the Israeli Lobby targeted him.
>> His is an interesting book, it should be available
>> at your library.

>Hmmmmm. Verry interesting, but one important fact should be noted:
>Mr. Findley lost the election because he received less votes than his  
>opponent, not because of the intervention of some mythical "Israeli  
>Lobby". Granted,  pro-Israel people had a vested interest in his premature  
>retirement, but it was the people of his state who failed to vote for him  
..
>  								This is  
>the basis of American government, BTW, government with the consent of the  
>governed, and like that). Paul Findley's persecution complex  
>notwithstanding, the Israel Lobby (tm) did not "steal" the election, they  
>merely informed the people of his state about his record, whereupon they  
>threw the ex-rep out - one of the wonderful things about representative  
>democracy, BTW. 
....
>			If you get elected and fail to vote and  in a manner  
>consistent with the wishes of the majority of your constituents, you stand  
>a good chance of failing in subsequent attempts at re-election.
....

  Does Jeff's account of ex-Representative Findley's defeat shed some light 
on what can be done in ways of political action.
  It is interesting to see how efficient an information action can be, even if
conducted by a mythical lobby.
  What could it be if the lobby was not mythical ?!

  There have been a discussion about CLAO's lobbying campaigns and other ways
to achieve their aims.
  CLAO bias not withstanding, it seems that they are on the track to success.

  Is there a group planning to lobby Israel out of South Lebanon ?

>shalom

>jeff

>"Let no one build walls to divide us
>Walls of hatred nor of stone
>Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
>We'll live together or we'll die alone"
                        ^^^^^^^^^
  I don't know about others, but we Lebanese are dying there and now.

alex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Israel-Lebanese border tense as peace talks resume
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:25:23 GMT
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	JERUSALEM (UPI) -- A tense calm prevailed along Israel's northern
border Monday after rockets fired by pro-Iranian militiamen in Lebanon
struck for the first time in two weeks but caused no casualties.
	Fifteen Soviet-made Katyusha rockets landed in open terrain around
the Upper Galilee town of Kiryat Shemona and other northern Israeli
locales in nighttime attacks, an army spokesman said.
	The army responded with an artillery barrage against positions of the
pro-Iranian Hezbollah militia, north of the 9-mile-wide ``security zone''
Israel has carved out in southern Lebanon.
	Ori Orr, chairman of Parliament's powerful Foreign Affairs and
Defense Committee, said the attacks would not deter Israel from pursuing
Washington peace negotiations, set to resume Monday with Lebanon, Syria,
Jordan and the Palestinians.
	``We engage in peace talks precisely because there is a state of war
with the Syrians and because there is terrorism,'' said Orr, a member of
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's Labor Party. ``The goal of the talks is
stop this terror.''
	Orr said that Israel would weigh whether and how to respond to the
rocket barrage. ``If, God forbid, the Katyushas resume and hurt people,
then we will reevaluate the situation, check for the most pain-inducing
targets, and hit them.''
	But Rafael Eitan, leader of the far-right Tsomet party, called for a
hard-hitting and immediate military response. ``When they fire at our
northern settlements it's war and we should not play games,'' he said.
	The Katyusha attacks were launched by Hezbollah in response to an
Israeli Air Force raid against the fundamentalist guerrillas Sunday at
Ein a-Tineh, northeast of the ``security zone,'' Israeli published
reports said.
	Israel established the ``security zone'' in 1985 with the stated
intention of ending rocket attacks and infiltrations against its
northern towns.
	``The pattern of attacking terrorist bases before they set out for
targets in Israel is continuing,'' a security official told the 
``Ha'aretz'' daily newspaper.
	The new round of violence came as Israeli and Arab negotiators
prepared to convene for the eighth round of their peace talks in
Washington.
	Israel's ambassador to Washington, Zalman Shoval, contacted U.S.
Assistant Secretary of State Edward Djerejian after the Katyusha
firings, expressing Israel's ``concern over the deterioration in the
north'' and asking that thre United States press Syria and Lebanon to
curb Hezbollah violence, state-run Israel Radio reported.
	Last month, an eruption of Israeli-Hezbollah violence cast a shadow
over the Washington talks, as Israel massed tanks along the Lebanese
border after a 14-year old boy was killed by a Katyusha rocket in Kiryat
Shemona.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Mourad and "dirty Laudry" (Re: reward)
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:16:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

From: @mcl2mac.berkeley.edu (Youssef Fawaz)

[Way too long of a reply to read or to even reply to, my time is 
valuable :-)]

But I'll tell you what, I am going to be your neighbor starting
Nov. 25.... I can't wait to personally meet you! It should be most
entertaining.

Regards, Elie.

PS: Concerning your second outburst, there was no need to post it
twice. :-) I mean it was thought provoking the 1st time around!

Heheheh. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: The Litani River
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University


I have long suspected along many other Lebanese, that the
Litani river's waters were being diverted by the Israelis.
The other day, I was talking to a Professor preparing a
UN report on the Litani river, and he asked me as a Lebanese
professional, to review his report and give him my opinion.
In the past whenever claims of Israeli diversion of the
headwaters of the Litani, in the area controlled by Israel
and its surrogates were raised, the pro-Israeli people
on the net were quick to dismiss these suspicions and
challenge anyone to provide a proof,that any such diversion exists.
Now, after reviewing the report, I can confidently say that
we soon will have proof of the Israeli water diversion.
According to that report and a comprehensive book, which
has extensive data on the Litani river flows, the waters of the Hasbani, 
which is a tributary stream to the Litani in the Israeli controlled
region, are currently being diverted to Israel.
The data were taken by an Israeli commissioned  study done by
Aaron Wolfe, an Israeli researcher, and his data will be available 
in a book soon to be released called _The Litani_ written by
John Collors.  I am not sure when the book will be
released, it is still in draft status.  I am going to
get a copy of the UN report and post excerpts from it to s.c.l.
According to the report satellite imagery has confirmed
the existence of a  water pipeline dug secretly by the
Israelis which currently conveys the waters, to the
Northern Israeli territory.
When the book is released, I am sure we will hear more
about this issue, since it has come-up repeatedly in
the ongoing Lebanese-Israeli Peace negociations.
I suspect Israel will wrestle from Lebanon the legal
rights to the water diversion in place, as a price
for its withdrawal.  Let's face it folks, Israel has vital
interests in Lebanon that go beyond security for its 
northern border, it is up to us to speak up and uphold the 
Lebanese inalienable rights to _OUR_ land and _OUR_ water.
More details to follow,  and I hope then to provide
solid published references.

Basil 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Litani River
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.195309.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>
ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:

etc. etc.

>
>	I can't speak for the Israeli government. But I think you 
>	got my point. Is the only thing Israel can give to Lebanon
>	is land?

of course not, for Lebanon has no territorial claims on Israel!  :-)

we want our land back. Point c'est tout!

>
>> The Litani is fully in Lebanon and it is none of Israel's buisiness
>
>
>	Well, I guess you didn't get it after all. Suppose you have
>	a successful business. I figure out that I might want a share
>	in this business. I can offer to pay cash to buy some of your
>	business' stockes; I can offer you some stockes in my business;
>	I can offer you a new patent I have just developed that might
>	help the business grow. Would you refuse even to listen? 
>
> 
>> Adonai says in the Torah:
>> 
>> lo takhmod bet re'ekha, lo takhmod esheth re'ekha, ve-avdo, ve-amato,
ve-shoro,
>> ve-khamoro, ve-kol asher lere'ekha!
>> 
>> meaning: you shall not covet your neighbour's house, his wife slave etc.
etc.
>> 
>> ko amar Adonai!
>
>
>	Did Adonai also said: lo takhalok meimekha im re'akha hatzame?
>
>	Meaning: You shell not share you water with your thirsty fellow?

Noam, You are a kind fellow, I see that from your posts. But there is much that
Isrel has done and does that make me see Israel as a wolfe covered with a
friend's cloak. You see, Israel diaproves of the PLO, since it says that the
PLO has on its agenda to wipe Israel off the map.

To me as long as Israel basis its policies on its "Strategic interests", it
means to me that I have always to be on alert. Some people try to buy shares in
a company in order to take over this company! sorry for the mistrust, but I
should say that I was burnt having trusted Israel. Understandably Israel is
only interested in its own interests, but these most often do not coincide with
mine.

So, I would share my water with a thirsty friend, but not with a wolf who is
thirsty and would eat me after I give water to drink!

Sorry, Noam, but I sincerely do not trust Israel

>
>
>Noam


elie wardini
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Clinton and Assad
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:12:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1dr4l9INN2mr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.052716.26598@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:

|> Elie, Clinton has promised Americans the moon during the elections.
|> He was on all the sides during that period.  Late reports have been
|> suggesting a speech in which he will say what he really can do not
|> what he promised (you may wanna check the New York Times for the past
|> couple of days).
|> 
|> About Clinton and Foreign policy, the man has no clue where Lebanon
|> is.  It is expected that he will follow Bush's Agenda at least in the
|> next year.  Until we discover oil or some natural resources in
|> Lebanon, expect the misery to go on.  
|> -- 
|> H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
|> Dept. of Computer Engineering
|> Crawford Hall 215C
|> Case Western Reserve U

No problems with me. There are elections in 4 years :-)
I have all the time and patience in the world.
I'll probably have kids in college before the occupation of Lebanon ends,
with or without Hariri, with or without Clinton... :-)
I am very thankful that I live in a country having pride in its
independence and no confusion about its sovereignty.

Regards, Elie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Lebanese in Ghana [under Rawlings]
Organization: UiO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 12:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.230603.20403@yang.earlham.edu> bent@yang.earlham.edu
writes:
>On soc.cult.african, in article <BxBsp5.EJB@ddsw1.mcs.com>, 
>barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes that in Ghana, after 
>the Rawlings coup:
> 
>> market women were beaten in the streets by soldiers on
>> allegations of trade malpractices. rawlings condemned the
>> lebanese business community as being parasitic.
>
>Does anyone know people who were in Ghana at that time?  I know next to 
>zero about the Lebanese minority persecuted or otherwise ostracized during
that
>period of Ghana's history.
>
>Benjamin Tanner
>bent@yang.earlham.edu
>


Benjamin, I do not personally know of any Lebanese who live in Ghana, but from
what I gather, is that the Lebanese have a bad repuation in West Africa. Much
of it is of course not based on truth, but some is true. It is so that many
Lebanese have become rich quite quickly in West Africa. Some have done so by
smuggling and other illegal acts. Yet most Lebanese there have gained their
wealth through legal and normal hard work.

It seems to me that in hard times in Ghana and the rest of West Africa,
Lebanese among others have been designated as the scapegoats. By generalising
from the Lebanese who have illegally gained a lot of wealth to those who have
lead decent lives.

From friends who live in the Ivory Coast, I know that life for the Lebanese
there is becomming more and more difficult.


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: waid@elaine37.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah)
Subject: Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
	<1992Nov5.151833.29706@njitgw.njit.edu>
	<1992Nov5.171942.4804@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov6.000127.7580@njitgw.njit.edu>
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:34:28

To: 
In article <1992Nov6.000127.7580@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:

	 Minister of Village affairs: Suleiman Tony Franjieh
	 Minister of the Handicapped: Elie Hobeika
	 Minister of Refugee affairs: Walid Joumblatt
   Hariri does get credit where credit is due, like getting rid of Sami
   Khatib as interior minister. (That guy is probably planning something now :-))

 Elie : well, is that not a good start?  Did Hariri really have to
create a "Ministry for Tennis" for Suleiman, a "Ministry of Bathroom 
Attendants" for Hobeika and a "Ministry for Liaisons with Syrian Jails"
for Sami?  I think he did a brilliant job given the constraints he has
to work under.  We don't need another martyr, and I personaly am beginning
to see that, yes, this is the kind of man whose kids get admitted to MIT.
(For example, if the local evil genius Hafez got this job and Saddam ran
Syria, where do you think he would start?

Cheers.
--
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    \/\/alid	a.k.a. waid the waylaid waif [Non Gender Specific]
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From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:51:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: vlsi.ces.cwru.edu

In article <92317.115258U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

[stuff deleted]

> The best comment was Haidar's when he said that my comments
> were not worthy commenting at, well Haidar:

Thanks Nasri for giving me five stars.  Maybe next time you can write
something worthy.

>(bending) "WE'RE NOT WORTHY, WE'RE NOT WORTHY"
>(This is a line from a movie Haidar, just in case you didn't know)

Gee Nasri, stop watching Wayne's World.  The Twilight Zone fits you
better.

N.B. In case also you did not know, Wayne's World is also on Saturday
Night Live not just in a movie.

>Nasri


-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Clinton and Assad
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:17:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: vlsi.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1992Nov11.052716.26598@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>President-Elect Bill Clinton was highly critical of Syria during his election
>campaign, accusing president George Bush of sacrificing "the prospects for
>an independent Lebanon in order to curry favor with Syria's dictator,
>Hafez Assad," and declaring that "to acquiesce to Syria's control 
>over Lebanon would show disdain for our long-standing commitment to 
>Lebanon's territorial integrity and independence."

Elie, Clinton has promised Americans the moon during the elections.
He was on all the sides during that period.  Late reports have been
suggesting a speech in which he will say what he really can do not
what he promised (you may wanna check the New York Times for the past
couple of days).

About Clinton and Foreign policy, the man has no clue where Lebanon
is.  It is expected that he will follow Bush's Agenda at least in the
next year.  Until we discover oil or some natural resources in
Lebanon, expect the misery to go on.  
-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon