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Jeez, a guy sure can get behind by being busy/gone for a couple weeks.

In rec.boats, venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable) writes:

> 	Where do you store those little buggers?  To be anything like safe 
> and legal, they must be stored above deck, or in a locker with an overboard 
> drain, just like propane.  Just one leaky can can blow you away.  Do you 
> rotate your stock so that a can doesn't spend two seasons in the bilge and 
> rust out?

In my anchor locker, which has an overboard drain.  Designed to drain
water, but should work as well for HTA fumes.  I hope.  I keep the
cannisters in a small canvas sack my wife made specially for them.  I
carry it (and them) to the boat for each trip, and home again afterward.
The most I've ever carried is half a dozen for one week's usage, and
ended up carrying two full ones and a partial back.  Since I don't have
a fixed galley, that seemed the safest procedure.  Suits our style, and
I don't *think* I'm maintaining a hazard.

Bill Mullaney
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Re: What is "net crew"? on LI sound
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:51:56 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I said:
>>I've both gotten crew for our Sonar, and gotten crew positions on
>>other boats. There's a pretty regular trade in net.crew on LI Sound.

floydb@rpi.edu writes:
>I have never heard of "net.crew". Is that part of a local 
>BBS or is it on the Internet?

That's a joke, son. I meant that there are several boats that fill in
crew by posting to rec.boats or by e-mailing other denizens of
rec.boats.

dhs    spencer@panix.com
Sonar 404|Gem 21
From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Re: Impressions/wrink
Date: 4 Nov 92 14:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole BBS - New Orleans, LA - (504)891-3142 16800 Baud
Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 

BS>Now I have a 21 ft cabin boat and my wife and I love to spend days at
BS>a time on it on some of the more remote lakes here.  We sail, we read,
BS>we swim, we mix drinks (when we are anchored) and watch the wildlife.
BS>When all the fishermen and skiers have gone, we skinny dip (we are
BS>both too old to inflict that sight on anyone else).

Brian, would you please share with us your insights on cruising in small
boats?  I have recently purchased an old South Coast 23 which I plan to
spend many weekends cruising with my wife AND children.  So far we have
only used it as a glorified day-sailer, but we are looking forward to
this spring when we can get out for longer periods.  It DOES seem a bit
cramped, though.

---
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From: jstine@logiconultra.com (Jim Stine)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How do I stop gas tank vent pipe spitting?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:41:11 GMT
Organization: Logicon_Ultrasystems

In article <1992Nov2.163753.60324@cc.usu.edu> hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu  
(000200 Lynch) writes:
> Since the vent on my boats gas tank is lower than the filler pipe by  
about
> six inches, gas gets spit out the vent when filling the tank, even at  
small
> rates of flow.  This happens most just as the tank tops off and gas  
flows up
> the vent pipe.  I am careful to not put the pump nozzle into the fill  
pipe
> so far as to block air flow out the pipe.  The problem is aggravated by  
the
> fact that I can't tell the tank is full until gas spurts out the vent.  
Of
> course the nozzle's auto shut off is useless with the low vent.  As the
> subject line says how do I stop the spitting?  I have seen two devices  
that
> promise to eliminate the problem:
> 	1. A device that whistles when passing air but not when gas enters  
the
>            vent pipe(whistle) thus telling you to shut off the gas.
>            (cheap)
>         2. A device that passes air but not liquids.  I don't have a  
clue how
>            it works.  I can think of some problems with this.  Can an  
over
>            full tank render the vent in-operative?  I still won't know  
when
>            the tank reaches full.
>            (expensive)
> Both devices mount in the vent line.  Does anyone have experience with  
these
> or other devices that give you a warning when your tank reaches full? 
> An obvious question is, is there a good reason for the tank vent to be  
lower
> than the fill pipe?
> --
> Hal Lynch
> 
> 	US Mail:  Utah State University
> 	          Office of Computer Services
> 	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
> 	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu

Well, I have installed the whistle device and it works.  It whistles  
loudly through the vent until the gas reaches it.  Then the whistle stops.   
I have installed it as low on the vertical part of the vent as possible to  
get as much air left in the vent line as possible.  Just make sure that  
when it's installed that there is no kinks in the vent line -- that's a  
worse problem than spilling as the fuel will spash back through the main  
filler - messy.

Jim Stine
Logicon Ultrasystems, inc.
jstine@logiconultra.com

no disclaimers...
From: robertm@cres1.anu.edu.au (Robert McArthur)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Monohull vs multi
Date: 11 Nov 1992 01:16:45 GMT
Organization: Centre for Resource and Environment Studies, Australian National University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.59.4

Let me preface this by hoping that this question dosen't come up every
month... What are the feelings on monohulls vs multihulls?  What are the
major differences between cats and trimarans?  What are the range of
materials suitable for building a 40-45' cat? (I haven't chosen mono/cat/tri
yet, but I do know the possible materials for a mono) etc etc.

Ta
Robert

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From: steve@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Steve Hiller)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Speaking navigation devices
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:43:06 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research, Edinburgh University

I would like to know if anyone knows of a navigation device
which uses a synthetic voice for readouts (speakouts?).
For example, a depth sounder which speaks out the depth a
given time intervals.

thanks,
Steve (who wants a yacht but can't afford it yet)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Gardner)
Subject: PRACTICAL SAILOR
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:35:04 GMT

I have not received a copy of this publication for over two months.  I am a
subscriber.  Has anything happened to the company??  Anybody else had
delivery problems??

Would any one have a fax or address I could contact.  Thanks

-=*Bill*=-
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: Request for Information: Cost of insurance, off-shore & passage making
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:10:58 GMT

I have receive a few messages regarding financing and insuring
a sailboat, thanks.

I haven't received any ranges for insurance covering a boat
on salt-water. It would be very helpful if anyone with a boat
who makes ocean crossings and coastal trips would post their
costs. 

Are rates calculated based on "book value" of a boat? What "book"
is used? Are rates different for various ports or parts of the
world? Are there different types of coverage (e.g. like car
insurance), deductibles, etc.?

any info is appreciated.

barry
From: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu (Jeremy Bloxham)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bareboat Chartering
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:40:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov6.134019.29354
Reply-To: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu
Organization: Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University

In article 96375@netnews.upenn.edu, dembrows@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Barry Dembrowski) writes:
>	Also, if anyone has ventured by boat off the east coast of P.R. to the
>   islands of Culeabra (sp.) or Vieques I would like to hear about it.  I plan
>   on taking a longer trip this year and I am considering visiting those two
>   islands.  

Culebra and especially Culebrita are well worth a visit. They
are an easy day's sailing from the Virgin Islands and can make a nice
diversion for a day or two. Culebrita is particularly beautiful, though
the anchorage can be quite rolly.  Culebra has a very large and
well-protected anchorage (but unfortunately not well-enough protected
for many boats during Hugo) at the eastern end of the island (Ensenada
Honda, I think). We visted mid-week - I've heard that weekends are best
avoided because the islands get invaded by hoards of noisy power boats
from Puerto Rico.

Jeremy
From: Paul.Saltzman@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Paul Saltzman)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Crewing
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 12:16:00 -0800

FL>From: floydb@rpi.edu

FL>Has anyone ever gotten a crew position through the net?
I caught a notice from Stu Bell when he was taking his uacht from
Hoiuston Texas to fort laurdale Fla. and then on to Wasington D.C.. I
could have crewed with him but I could'nt get the time from work (rank
and file where in the midst of a strrike) but had it not been for that i
would have been out of here at a drop of a pin. so the answer is yes,
almost. any help..







FL>thanks

FL>barry

FL>---
FL> * Origin: Ship to Shore Marine NET Vancouver Node (604)540-9596
(1:153/764)
FL> * S2SNet

 * OLX 2.2 * sail to the sound of silence.
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Impressions/wrinkles/sailing skill
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:22:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 9784@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu, dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deirdre byrne) writes:
> 
> I confess to being curious, though: how do my stats stack up against the
> experiences of other rec.boaters in different parts of the world?
> Post it here!


Seems about right to me, at least in dinghy raceing and cruising - with which I
am most familiar.  I have an idea that there is a higher percentage of men racing
bigger boats than there are racing dinghys.  If this is so, I have no idea why.  
Maybe the family orientation has something to so with it, or maybe bigger racing
boats are more macho, or maybe women just find racing dinghys more fun.

Jeff Huntington
From: dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sail Magazine
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:51:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: MorningS.1992Nov9.155131.6331
Distribution: na
Organization: Morning Star Technologies

In article <lfdk3tINNian@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
>Has anyone else noticed the fine job Sail Magazine is doing in
>perpetuating the elitist yachtie image?  Check out the articles.
>Check out the advertisements.  How many different ethnic groups
>do you see?

Regarding articles, call and ask them how many are submitted by ethnic
groups and rejected for whatever reason.  Regarding advertising, I doubt
that a magazine can dictate to its advertising clients who they should
use in their ads - call the individual companies to protest.  If it
bothers you, don't buy the magazine.

-dean
From: karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: women and sailing
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:08:18 GMT

Thanks to the many people who sent me positive e-mail about my article on
women and sailing.  I was more than a little concerned about what the response
would be.  

Now can I take off my asbestos swimsuit and go back to fixing my leak?  ;-)

Karina
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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Right of Way
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:26:30 GMT

We all know the basic rules:

    1. On any point of sail, port tack yields to starboard tack.
    2. On the same tack, boat sailing lower yields to boat sailing higher.

But, during the great days of commercial sail, the rules were quite different:

    1. On any tack, boat sailing lower yields to boat sailing higher.
    2. On the same point of sail, port yields to starboard.

I have seen the second set of rules in a number of manuals, some of them
published as late as 1925. Does anyone know when the rules were changed,
and why?


Stefan
From: garlin@ringo.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Linnert)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: alphabet of boats
Keywords: catalina, cal, c&c, columbia
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:39:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ringo

Ahoy ;-)

Could someone describe (thumbnail sketch) these boats
who all start with a "C" name ? 30' to 40' in length.

Are they like -- Ford, Chevy, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce ?
Which ones are racers, cruisers, 'blue water', etc...

	Catalina
	Cal
	C and C
	Columbia

Thanks in Advance - I'll post a summary if you want.

<> garlin

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From: fallavol@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Michael A. Fallavollita)
Subject: Testing a transducer - How?
Keywords:  transducer, depth sounder, testing
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:31:42 GMT

In the continuing struggle to get my depth sounder working again, I'm in need
of testing my transducer to see if it is operational.  The depth sounder is
a Standard Communications DS-1.  I've already found and replaced a voltage
regulator, and now I at least get something to display on the LCD, namely
"- -".

My Owners Manual states the "Transducer Requirements" as:
	1200pF/500 Ohms

yet when I put an Ohm-meter across the leads from the transducer, I find
an open circuit.

Does anyone know if this indicates a bad transducer?

Does anyone know of a place in the S.F. Bay area that tests depth sounders?

Does anyone have an extra transducer that they would like to lend/sell?

Thanks,

Mike Fallavollita
Catalina 25 #3093
fallavol@corvus.arc.nasa.gov
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Power Choices
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:04:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <RRUSK.92Oct28090406@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com writes:
>On 27 Oct 92 17:47:11 GMT, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) wrote:
>
>
>>   1. do repairs on diesels tend to be more, less, or about as expensive as
>>      repairs on gasoline power plants ?
>
>Many diesel parts tend to be heavier-built than the corresponding gasoline
>engine parts, thus more expensive.  In addition, there are bunches of

Apparantly not mentioned yet (or I didn't go thru the news backlog
far enough) is that diesel engines are built to much closer tolerances
than gasoline engines. This is the main reason complete units and the
components cost more than their gasoline counterparts.  The extra
metal that makes them "heavier built" is practically insignificant.
As for the labor, the mechanics have to check for these tolerances
much more carefully, and must assemble a diesel engine "cleaner"
than a gasoline engine.  This is why good diesel mechanics cost more
than their gasoline counterparts.

-rcf
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:22:57 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Nov10.184747.9625@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.211851.17066@nas.nasa.gov> blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake) writes:
>>
>I would hesitate to take any advice about running backs that did not
>apply specifically to your boat. Some rigs use them only for sail trim,
>some rely on them to hold up the stick.

The question of the need of running backstays is a complicated one, it
includes the type of the rig; masthead, fractional, the type of the 
spreaders; straight or angled and the proportions of the spar and the
sail.

My opinion is that if the running backstays are needed to keep the mast
upp, the design is poor and unseamanlike. If they are needed for tuning
purposes they might be usefull to have.

I have a forty feet boat, with a fractional rig with some 15 degrees swept
spreaders, most boats of the same class use the running backstays whole
the time, but I have found out that the rig stands well without them and
I use them only in heavy weather (apparent wind over 20 knots) or if I am
sailing in big seas in open legs, where I can set the running bacstay more
or less permanently. If I take in two reefs of the main, the top main will 
be at the level of the hounds and I can set the running backstays tight
and they do not bother me at all. In some occasions while racing I might
hang up the preventer stays (a lower set of running backstays) just for
tuning purposes.

>I crew regularly on the Beneteau First 42 "Rocinante". We use the running
>backs all the time, but I doubt very much that we would loose any speed
>if we left them off. As you know, they are a tremendous pain in the ass,
>and a safety hazard as well. I've noticed this on other boats, too: the 
>least experienced member of the crew (one of the owner's office pals, for
>instance) is assigned the tedious task of shifting the RBs on each tack.
>It's not so bad when they forget to do this on a tack, but on a jibe....

With some masthead rigs the mast can get in heavy seas in pumping motion
that is really dangerous. Then I suggest that one is using his running
backstays, but I would not recommend that rig in the first place.

>One of our competitors, "Maluhia", seems to only rig them in a blow.

If you have people around that have an eye to the behavior of the rig
it can be done quite safely. Though I have friends to whom I would not
recommend this system, because they would break their mast soon.


- Lauri Tarkkonen
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bjames@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Salvaged boats - first-hand account
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:30:35 GMT

Let me add my own experience to the theoretical discussions of what happens 
to salvaged boats.  (This is a bit late - haven't been on the net lately.)

Six years ago we acquired a 30 foot sailboat which had been abandoned in 
the Bermuda 1/2.  It drifted for three months and was found on the Grand 
Banks, east of Newfoundland, by a  Canadian Government Fisheries patrol 
boat.  The insurance company was contacted; they had paid  the claim and 
were considered owners of the boat.  In Canada the only goverment department 
entitled to make salvage claims is National Defense.  However, Fisheries 
could claim expenses and they eventually got 50% of the selling price of 
the boat.  The Feds also got 13.5% federal sales tax and 25% of the value 
of the boat in duty.

Last year, we repeated the process with a 34 foot Dutch boat, abandoned on 
her way home from the Caribbean.  The fisherman who was the salvor was 
entitled to compensation for costs and degree of risk involved in the 
salvage.  (If there had been cargo he would have been able to make a claim 
to that.)  His bill included two days' lost fishing time while bringing her 
into port and wages for the six-person crew.  He settled amicably and 
promptly with the insurance company.  We bought the boat from the insurance 
and then paid the government 7% GST (goods and service tax - replaces FST) 
plus 15% duty on the purchase price.  Ironically, the duty on an American 
boat would now be much lower - about 8%.  

Both boats were repaired within a few months and have proven to be sound 
purchases.  Neither had serious structural damage and both survived months 
at sea remarkably well.  The crew in both cases were taken safety on to 
commercial vessels -- in the first case, there was a bad storm which had 
caused rudder damage, loss of a sail and the boat apparently syphoned water 
through the head (we think); the second was dismasted.


Bonnie James
St. John's, Newfoundland     
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From: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon)
Subject: Re: Need tips on winterizing an I/O
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:33:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.201526.9104@tc.fluke.COM>, ness@tc.fluke.COM (Jerry Ness) writes:
> started pouring Marvel Mystery oil down the carb until the engine almost
> stalled, then he poured in some more until it did stall. That's about it!
> 
Be very careful how much fogging oil you pour in.  I know a guy who used this
method only to crack a piston in the spring.  Seems the oil ran into one of the
cylinders causing hydrolic lock when he tried to start it.  I talked to a few
mechanics that recommended giving the engine one good rev before shutting it
down.  Remember you only what to "fog" it.

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From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: HELP NEED INFO!
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:22:29 GMT

Could someone provide me with information on the waters between Miami
and Palm Beach, preferably specific data for the Ft. Lauderdale area,
given the following conditions:

Location: Ft. Lauderdale; nearshore environment; 1-2 Nautical miles
          offshore
Time:     June-July

The info I would like to know is:

Average Wave Height; 1/3 Significant Wave Height
Wave Period
Average Surface Current; Max Surface Current and Average Direction

or any assistance in what organizations/government bodies which may be
able to provide this info would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

Please e-mail skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (can also follow up this post).

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