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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Season tune-up
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:05:24 GMT

In article <'c#@byu.edu> bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield) writes:
>With the zerks on metal that is too thin or are just pressed in, my brother
>and I came up with a really good fix.  Most zerks are about 1/4 20 thread
>size.  We drill the tubes to something a little bigger than 1/4 then take
>a small 1/4 20 nut.  Using a little wire feed mig I have, we weld the little
>nut to the tub.  Voola, you now can thread a zerk in.  This works VERY 
>well and can even be done with an arc welder if you are very carefull not
>to burn through.
I thought about doing this myself once. Its the same technique they
use on the rear suspension. Only problem is that I don't own a mig
welder. :-(   It would be tough with an arc welder... I'm not that
good.

>As for the speedo housing, we learned of the zerk at a race siminar.  You
>take the housing off the machine and pop the outer bearing seal off the
>bearing.  
You mean the lower drive shaft side or the speedo gear side???
If you mean the speedo gear side... do you poke holes in the outer seal???
The grease has to go somewhere when you pump it in.

>Drill and zerk the housing and then replace it.  A few pumps of
>grease every few rides keeps moisture from getting into the bearing and
>keeps it fully lubed.  This does prolong the life of the bearing, and I
>believe the new sleds this year, atleast the liquid Indy's have this 
>zerk already in place.
>
>I picked up a ton of great ideas to improve the life if not the actual
>performance of my Indy at the race siminar.  Admittedly, some of the 
>stuff was of no use to me as a Non-racer, but a surprising amount will
>apply to the trail as well.
I thought about going to this as well. Is it the one for ~30.00 ??
They have about 4 or 5 this year don't they?? You think is worth
the time and money???

>
>
>Dan Canfield
>bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu
>
>DoD #0071,RP90
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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Aftermarket tracks
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:41 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Who makes aftermarket tracks besides Kimpex? What I am looking for is
a light, low drag, deep powder track for an Indy SKS. I think I saw an
ad from a Canadian manufacterer but I can't find it now.

Thanks.

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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: DG pipes
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:01:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
> Does anyone have any direct or indirect experiance with DG
> performance pipes for a Polaris 650??? Are they worth the added expense???
> I have a chance to get a used set for a real good price but I don't
> know much about them. How do they rate against say... PSI, Starting
> Line, or AAEN???
> 
Dyno Tech has tested a bunch of them in their pipe shootouts. Some don't
look to bad, however some do. I just quickly thumbed through the Dyno
Tech issues but didn't see any DG test results on a 650. Wait a minute...
here it is:

	91 Indy 650, carbs
	Stock HP = 97.3 @ 92dB @ 8000 RPM
	DG pipes HP = 110.4 @ 100dB @ 9000 RPM
	No idea which version the DG pipes are
	The DG's were the worst of the bunch in this test

13 HP may be worth it if you can get a reasonable price and don't mind
running the engine at 9000 RPM and have a good set of ear plugs.
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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.213327.24422@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
>I'd bet it's almost full at WOT. I don't think the amount of fuel in the
>lines or filter means anything except the level, height, and placement
>of the lines and filter. A few times when I have run a sled at high 
>RPM with the hood up I have seen the lines become almost full. This is
>certainly not a problem.

So the engine vacuum must go up during high rpm's???

(thought following)
Thats the opposite of cars... but on a car its the intake vacume
that goes down. The sleds fuel pump vacume is taken off the case.

don
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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:38:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
> So the engine vacuum must go up during high rpm's???
> 
> (thought following)
> Thats the opposite of cars... but on a car its the intake vacume
> that goes down. The sleds fuel pump vacume is taken off the case.

Yes. I have never measured crankcase vacuum but I have measured fuel
pressure at the carbs. If my memory isn't failing to badly at the
momemt it seems like about a pound at idle up to 4 pounds at high
RPMs.
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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Michigan Deer Season
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.161735.14218@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>Just talked to my Cat dealer this morning about this and that, and
>during the conversation I mentioned that I was hoping to go to Cadillac
>MI in a couple of weeks (Dec 1 or 2).  He told me not to go before
>Dec 1 because deer season is on until then and it was illegal to ride
>before that.
>
>Is that true?  It wasn't true in Wisconsin back when I used to ride
>up there - the hunters and sledders and skiers all co-existed (sometimes
>uneasily, I admit) in the woods.
>
>If noone here knows the answer to this, I'll call the Chamber of Commerce
>in Cadillac.  I'll post what I find out.
>
>--
>Doug Ritter (dougr@meaddata.com)
I'm not exactly sure about dates but in WI its the same way. I know
the hunting season (except for bow) is over by the 10th of Dec
because thats the first legal riding weekend. 
Why worry about shotguns - just get a new kevlar helmet ;-)

don
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:20:55 MST
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Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)

In article <1992Nov16.133531.20883@tellab5.tellabs.com> don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
>
>I checked over the weekend... my 90' has a single 3 outlet pump
>with one fuel pickup. 
>
>Along these lines, Polaris seems to have crappy fuel pumps. Even
>after the sled has been idling for awhile, the fuel lines going to
>the filter are more than half empty. I've seen this on a 500 and
>650... different years too. My Yamahas never had this problem. The
>lines were completly full except for maybe a bubble or too. What gives????
>

Polaris uses standard Mikuni fuel pumps.  I have had this problem with
my 707.  A couple of things you want to check.  Make sure the vacuum line
that works the pump is ok.  Chekc for cracks and leaks.  Also, get the 
heaviest walled piece of line you can for this one.  My problem was that
the line would collapse under the vacuum pressure.  The line comes off
the motor just below the carbs.  Stock, the line was not clamped on my
sled so I put a little hose clamp on it to make sure of a good seal.

One other thing you might check is to see if you fuel pickup in your tank
is weighted enough to sit in the bottom of the tank.  Just take a little
piece of wire, bend a hook in the end, and fish the hose up out of the
tank.  It should have a little screen on the end.  Make sure it is clear
and that there is enough weight to hold it down in the tank.

Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter)
Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:41:12 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <9859@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.143434.2630@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>>
>>Geeze, if I could find a '76 RV for $560, I'd jump all over it! ;-)
>
>Speaking of old Ski-Doos:  
>	I have a 1974 Ski-Doo T'NT 440 SE.  It's in pretty good shape, but
>I haven't ridden it in a couple of years, cause I've been away at school.
>Can anyone tell me anything about this sled?  What might it be worth?  I 
>MIGHT be interested in selling it.
>			Thanks for the info!

Just as a guess, I'd say $500.  Your best bet would be to load it up and take it
to one of the old-sled swap meets and see what someone offers you for it.

The old T'NT was a classic, IMHO.  If I were you, I wouldn't sell it.
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:09:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov19.224112.4963@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>>	I have a 1974 Ski-Doo T'NT 440 SE.  It's in pretty good shape, but
>>Can anyone tell me anything about this sled?  What might it be worth?  I 
>>MIGHT be interested in selling it.
>
>Just as a guess, I'd say $500.  Your best bet would be to load it up and take it
>The old T'NT was a classic, IMHO.  If I were you, I wouldn't sell it.

	Why do you feel that the T'NT is a classic?  Why shouldn't I sell it?
I don't mean to bust on my own sled, but I'm curious as to why you feel this
way.  I think that the T'NT (at least as I know it) is an excellent all-around
sled.  It has a seat comfortable enough for two (although not for very long)
it has a good suspension (for it's time--we're talking about the mid-seventies
here!), it has a 440, which is plenty of motor for me, it's lightweight (
(only 406 lbs., with the battery!), and it's VERY simple to work on.

	I used to try to find a comparable new sled each time the buyer's guide
of Snowmobile used to arrive in the mail, but I never could come up with one.
I used to think that the Ski-Doo Stratos would be a good replacement (if I ever
got the money!), but then they discontinued it.  Now, everything is liquid-
cooled, which I don't want due to the extra weight.
	
	Ever wonder why they don't make free-airs any more?
(P.S.  Ski-doo made a free-air version of the T'NT, but mine's the fan-cooled
version.  I like the fan-cooled sleds better, but the free-airs were lighter
and faster.)
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From: lmcansi@noah.ericsson.se (Andrew Silver)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Snow has arrived!
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:25:28 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.


Yup, the snow has arrived in lower Quebec!  Not to rub your noses in it,
but I went out this weekend and had a ball!  And it seems that more is on
the way!

Figure the lakes should be frozen by the end of November too!  I can't wait!


Just had to vent my excitement.



Think snow - hell, I'm lying in it!


Quicksilver!


'71 Bombardier Elan
'90 Suzuki Katana 600n
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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:35:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.210005.4773@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
>don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov11.154359.16531@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
>> 
>> I don't remember if it has two pumps but it only has one fuel
>> pickup.
>
>Thanks for the info, I was interested in the number of pickups from the 
>tank. I run two pumps on my Rotaris fed from two pickups. I put an 
>additional pickup in the stock tank. I'm going to put a later model large
>tank on the sled and I thought I might get a tank with two pickups. It
>sounds like I probably don't need two of them.
>
>Thanks to Dan for the info, also.

I checked over the weekend... my 90' has a single 3 outlet pump
with one fuel pickup. 

Along these lines, Polaris seems to have crappy fuel pumps. Even
after the sled has been idling for awhile, the fuel lines going to
the filter are more than half empty. I've seen this on a 500 and
650... different years too. My Yamahas never had this problem. The
lines were completly full except for maybe a bubble or too. What gives????


don
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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:33:27 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
> If I had fuel delivery problems would'ent I notice stumbling or maybe
> burndown at top end.

Yes

> I just
> wonder if the filter is half empty at idle it must be completely
> empty at WOT (wide open throttle).

I'd bet it's almost full at WOT. I don't think the amount of fuel in the
lines or filter means anything except the level, height, and placement
of the lines and filter. A few times when I have run a sled at high 
RPM with the hood up I have seen the lines become almost full. This is
certainly not a problem.
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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:07:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

lark@solbourne.com (Daniel Larkin) writes:
> Hello,
> 
>         I have a few questions for all sledders out there who might know or
> have information about older machines. I am a newcomer to this group and to
> snowmobiles in general, and wish to gather whatever info I can about a sled
> I'm thinking of buying. It's a 1975 Scorpion Whip. Yes, it's old, but is in
> fair condition and starts on the first pull every time. The asking price is
> $300, which is around the price I was looking for seeing that funds are of the
> highest priority right now. My questions are, does this sound like a reasonable
> price for a machine of this age? (also, it has about 2100 miles on it) Does
> anyone now anything about the overall realibility or performance of this
> particular machine. I know there are no guarantees with a sled of this age
> or mileage, but I'm looking for a hopefully decent, inexpensive snowmobile
> to get my "feet wet" until I win the lottery. Thanks in advance for any
> positive input to my questions.
> 
I would suggest that for that price you may be able to find an old Yamaha.
Scorpion parts are hard to find and you may need lots of them. For just a
little more you should be able to find an old Yamaha Exciter or Enticer
that will give you much better service and reliability.
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Subject: Re: Indy XLT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)

In article <1992Nov14.030349.4644@rose.com> rob.twilt@rose.com (rob twilt) writes:
>Dave...... Sounds great.  I read the same article and this new
>suspension has me wondering if the ITS suspension is a step in the wrong
>direction.  I enjoy having contol pinning it out of a turn.  According
>to Snow Goer and yourself our skis are going to be waving goodbye to the
>sled in front of us while we are trail riding.   I'd be interested in
>knowing what changes you make and what the effects are.  I'm expecting
>to take delivery before the end of November.
>

Sounds like just about every other triple I have ever riden, got to back
out of the throttles to steer.  Isn't that why we ride triples?  Anyway,
this will be a dream in the powder.  Getting the weight back off the 
skis quick will allow the xlt to float like no other machine.  You can
probably comprimise be tightening the limitter straps and maybe even moving
the front of the slide rail up one or two holes.

Dave, let us all know what adjustments you make and how they affect the
xlt.

Enjoy!!   


Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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From: jls@esseye.si.com (John Schroeder)
Subject: Re: Michigan Deer Season
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:45:29 GMT

In <1992Nov20.184958.1426@tellab5.tellabs.com> don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.182809.29461@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>>This is really interesting.  Why exactly is there such a fear of being
>>shot during deer hunting season?  There can only be 3 possibilities:
>>
>>1) The hunters are idiots who can't tell a brightly colored, loud, fast
>>   moving snowmobile from a brown, silent, stealthy deer.
>>
>>2) The hunters are angry-young-men types who will blow your head off if
>>   you screw with their hunting prospects by riding a snowmobile through
>>   the woods.
>>
>>3) You might get shot accidentally if you come flying through the woods
>>   between a hunter and his prey just as he fires.
>>
>>Granted, in any of the three cases, you're just as shot.  But what does
>>#1 say for hunters?  I was once a hunter myself, so I feel like I can
>>converse on the subject intelligently, and I just can't buy reason #1.
>>
>>#2 is really no more intellectually attractive to me.  Has our society
>>really degenerated that far?  I know we're a collective mess, but come on!
>>Are the woods really filled with cold-blooded killers?  I can't buy
>>*that* either!
>>
>>So that leaves me with #3.  And what are the odds of this happening?
>>Look, I've hunted.  I *know* that it's not like the Daffy Duck cartoon
>>where everything that moves is blasted by a hail of gunfire.  It just
>>doesn't fly that a law has to be passed to protect snowmobilers from
>>hunters.  So is it possible that it's just an issue of "fairness"? What
>>I mean is, is the legislation designed to keep the snowmobilers out of
>>the woods to give the hunters a better chance of getting a deer?
>>
>>*That* I *can* accept.  Anybody know for sure what's behind this kind
>>of legislation?  Are other states besides MI and WI doing this?
>>
>>--
>>Doug Ritter (dougr@meaddata.com)

>In all fairness - I doubt you would get shot. But you have to ask
>yourself one question... "do ya feel lucky??"
>I agree... when was the last time you saw a green or red deer with
>either 650 or EXT painted on the side??? :-)
>But what the hell, why take the chance.

>On a more serious note - the type of weapon used may make a
>difference. Like shotguns slugs for instance dont carry far at
>all. But rifle bullets do -- many miles for that matter.
>Also snowmobiles move very quickly. I run up on deer all the time
>where they are just a couple of feet from the front of the
>sled. Just because a hunter heres a sled off in the distance
>doesent mean it won't appear in his sights at any moment.

The real reason is that "they" dont want hunters using snowmobiles
or any ORV to hunt deer.  It would be too easy for a hunter to 
enlist the help of a snowmobiler to flush deer.  You guys didn't
think they wrote that law to protect snowmobilers did you?

John Schroeder
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Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: Season tune-up
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)

In article <1992Nov13.183938.1344@tellab5.tellabs.com> don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
>With the exception of the speedometer housing... the other grease
>zerks should already be there. They are on mine. If you did drill
>your spindle housing - how did you get a zerk to fit there. The
>metal is too thin??? All of the indys I've seen already have one in
>the center of the housing. Problem is its only pressure fit one and it
>always falls out.
>On the speedo thought - what good does it do since the bearing race
>is sealed on both ends???

With the zerks on metal that is too thin or are just pressed in, my brother
and I came up with a really good fix.  Most zerks are about 1/4 20 thread
size.  We drill the tubes to something a little bigger than 1/4 then take
a small 1/4 20 nut.  Using a little wire feed mig I have, we weld the little
nut to the tub.  Voola, you now can thread a zerk in.  This works VERY 
well and can even be done with an arc welder if you are very carefull not
to burn through.

As for the speedo housing, we learned of the zerk at a race siminar.  You
take the housing off the machine and pop the outer bearing seal off the
bearing.  Drill and zerk the housing and then replace it.  A few pumps of
grease every few rides keeps moisture from getting into the bearing and
keeps it fully lubed.  This does prolong the life of the bearing, and I
believe the new sleds this year, atleast the liquid Indy's have this 
zerk already in place.

I picked up a ton of great ideas to improve the life if not the actual
performance of my Indy at the race siminar.  Admittedly, some of the 
stuff was of no use to me as a Non-racer, but a surprising amount will
apply to the trail as well.


Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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