From: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: GAYS IN THE MILITARY
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:36:00 GMT
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Reply-To: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 

-> From: bayram@willis.cis.uab.edu (Zeki Bayram)
-> Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
-> Subject: gays in the military
-> Message-ID: <1993Jan26.102934.19049@cis.uab.edu>
-> Date: 26 Jan 93 10:29:34 GMT

All ignorant quotes which follow come from the mouth of Zeki:

-> - American soldiers will probably not be wellcome anymore in foreign
-> countries, especially Islamic countries

This is bullcrap.  Most (if not all) NATO countries allow homosexuals in
the military, and Islamic countries don't have a problem with it.  When
it comes to national security vs. allowing possible homosexuals inside
of territorial boundaries, security will always come first.

-> - Motivation is a great factor in the effectiveness of soldiers in
-> combat. Soldiers have to "believe in" what they are asked to do. They
-> have to believe that they are fighting to protect the high "values"
-> and principles of America. They have to believe that they are morally
-> right. How can they feel this way when they will see the armed forces
-> to which they belong as being fundamentally flawed, and immoral?

One of the highest values in America is a thing called "FREEDOM", so I
think that soldiers who will stop being soldiers due to someone else
exercising their freedom are foolish and hypocritical.  It would be like
saying, "I believe in freedom for everyone......except homosexuals."
It's utter nonsense.  There are already homosexuals in the military,
there always have been, and they have been excellent soldiers.  They
have fought for your right to be heterosexual, if you will.

-> - American soldiers will be ridiculed as being "a bunch of faggots"
-> - Guess what Saddam will be telling his soldiers if there were
-> another war in the Gulf: "Oh pure blood, God fearing defenders of
-> this land. You are fighting against 'a bunch of faggots'. So go clear
-> the earth of its slime!" And I think he would find an audiance, and
-> not only in his soldiers!
Oh pinch me.  Saddam will be making fun of our fighting forces?  OH NO!
Gee, we wouldn't want that.  We want him to like our soldiers.  We want
him to befriend our soldiers, don't we?  Gee, if our soldiers (as a
whole) can't take a little name-calling, then they shouldn't be
soldiers.

-> - Will definitely harm any alliance with Arab countries such as Saudi
-> Arabia. Public pressure in those countries will force their rulers to
-> sever ties (at least militarily) with the US

No it won't.  No way.  Why would it?  What makes you so sure?  The
monarchies over there want to remain just that, and if it takes allowing
a force comprised of a few homosexuals in a sea of thousands, they will
do so.

President Clinton is doing just what he said he would.  Issue an
executive order allowing gays into the military.  They are already there
(unbeknownst to those around them), they have died fighting valliantly
for this great land, and will continue to do so.

I heard Rep. Barney Frank, a homosexual congressman, say something very
insightful yesterday on CNN's Crossfire.  If things were reversed, that
is, if gays were already allowed in the military, and they banded
together to leave the military, what would the public say?  The public
would see this as a special privilege and demand that they stay in the
military.  Interesting.
                                           
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