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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bill James' Game Score
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:55:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr14.180833.10511@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Could someone post or e-mail me the formula for this thing?  


A perfect time to ask this question, what with my first Game Score Report
due to be posted on Friday or Saturday of this week, and all.

HOW TO CALCULATE GAME SCORES IN 9 EASY STEPS AND 2 SHORT CUTS
All information is available in standard, everyday box scores.

1.  Start with 50 points.
2.  Add 1 for each batter retired.
3.  Add 2 for each inning completed beyond the 4th.
    (NOTE: rules 2 and 3 mean that innings 1 through 4 are worth
     3 points and innings 5 through 9 and beyond are worth 5.)
4.  Add 1 for each strikeout (SO).
5.  Subtract 1 for each walk allowed (BB).
6.  Subtract 2 for each hit allowed (H).
7.  Subtract 4 for each earned run allowed (ER).
8.  Subtract 2 for each unearned run allowed ("UER").
9.  (Optional) Subtract 1 for each wild pitch, balk, and hit batsmen.
    (NOTE: Bill James doesn't do this; I do.)

SHORT CUTS

1.  Memorize this table:

        # of complete         Result
        innings pitched     of rules 1-3
        ---------------     ------------
              0                 50
              1                 53
              2                 56
              3                 59
              4                 62
              5                 67
              6                 72
              7                 77
              8                 82
              9                 87
        Add 5 for each complete inning after the 9th.
        Add 1 for each remaining third of an inning.
            (e.g. 7 1/3 IP = 77+1 = 78;
                 10 2/3 IP = 87+5+2 = 94).

2.  Compute penalty for hits and runs using 2*(H+R+ER).
    Since earned runs are included in R, the formula (H+R+ER)
    counts them double, so when you double the whole
    thing, you're multiplying ER by 4, H by 2 and "UER" by 2,
    as required by rules 6 through 8.


--Steve

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From: aaron@juliet.caltech.edu (Packman, Aaron I.)
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team  : )
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.234317.1538@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary) writes...
> 
>In a previous article, jdg40@pecan.spa.amdahl.com (Jeff Gee) says:
> 
>>In article <1992Apr13.083901.2325@ducvax.auburn.edu> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>>POS Player Name                    Reason
>>>--- ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------
>>P    Dave Stewart		    Soliciting a transvestite
>>SS   Jose Uribe			    (unsubtantiated) assault
>>OF   Luis Polonia		    statuatory rape
>>
>1B   Don Mattingly		   arrested for urinating in public
>					(this was a while ago, ?1985 or 6)
> 
Keith Hernandez and all others involved in the worst drug scandal in
baseball history.

And how could you all forget Barry Bonds.

aaron packman

p.s. Darryl Strawberry is much less of a jerk now in L.A. than he was with
     the Mets.  And how about the Mets as the all-troublemaker team.  I mean,
     how many other clubs have had fights at their team picture?
From: mudcr@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David C Roller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: need Chi Sox and Cubs records
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:30:56 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I need Chicago Cubs and Whitesox records by season for the 80's.
Possibly earlier if any one has them.  E-mail me or post them if you
have them.  Thanks.


*******************************************************************************
Dave Roller                            The Great Commission
mudcr@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                  For The Next Generation

To boldly go  and make disciples of al nations.
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit  and teaching them to obey everything Christ has commanded.
Surely He is with us always to the very end of the age and the galaxy
itself.
Star Trek prologue and Matthew 28:18-20
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From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: ALL-Troublemaker Team  :)
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:39:01 GMT
Distribution: na


[ stuff deleted ]

> (This suggests a new thread. The All Trouble-Maker Team.)

Hey! Good idea! :)
Here goes!

POS Player Name                    Reason
--- ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------
OF  Kevin Mitchell                 Rape allegations, taking IF practice wearing
                                   a walkman 
OF  Darryl Strawberry              jerk
OF  jose Canseco                   leaving socks at Madonna's, speeding (55 mh
                                   OVER the limit)
OF  Otis Nixon                     Coke (no WONDER he runs so fast...he's
                                   WIRED!)
OF  Lenny Dykstra                  Drinking beer and wrecking car and season
1B  Franklin Stubbs                Charging mound with bat (I think it was him)
2B  Steve Sax                      mouth in general esp. while in LA

P   Roger Clemens                  Brawling w/o a license
P   David Cone                     Wanking
P   Oil Can Boyd                   Forcing the wife to imitate a punching bag
P   Pascual Perez                  Running away to NY after a bad start
P   Rob Dibble                     Throwing at a baserunner; jerk
P   Steve Howe                     Coke, coke, coke, coke, coke, and coke
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These are just the ones I can think of offhand.  Feel free to add to the list.
Let me also say that some of the charges above were found to be
unsubstantiated, such as Cone's recent thing and K. Mitchell's trouble.
At least, I think Mitchell's were unsubstantiated.  Some are purely opinions,
mostly I'm hoping a few people will get a laugh out of it.  What can I say,
I'm in a silly mood.

Ken
From: rcodo@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Codo)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:07:25 GMT
Subject: Say it ain't so!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

 I heard a rumor on the news last night - I was hoping someone
 could confirm.  

 Rumor has it that there was an exhibition game at Joe Robby (sp?)
 in Miami a week or so ago, and the grounds crews forgot to
 build pitching mounds on the field or the bullpens.  I really find
 this hard to believe, can anyone confirm?

 Denver just hosted the Chi-Sox and the Astro's this past weekend and
 drew about 50k+ for 2 games at Mile-hi under blue skis with temps in
 the low 70's.  And guess what?  There were no homeruns.

 The players were complaining about the backdrop not being dark enough to   
 see the ball well enough.

 Go Chi-Sox!!! Watch out for the Rockies in 1992 :-)  (At least the
 uniforms should be cool looking.

 Rob Codo

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From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Keywords: Lundy.  *Joe* Lundy.
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:12:00 GMT

In article <12266@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu
(Gary Two Scoops Of Raisins Huckabay) writes:
>Rickey is portrayed as a malingerer, a whiner, and cocky.  Part of the
>reason for this is his background is different than Ryan's.  He
>learned to communicate in a black inner city, rather than white farm
>country.  Like or not, the communication patterns are different in
>those two areas, and to white bread America, Rickey's is more
>intimidating, and more accusatory.

All true.  But Frank Robinson and Lloyd Moseby, among others, grew up
in exactly the same neighbourhood (Henderson and Moseby have known each other
since childhood) and neither of them brag and boast as much as Rickey.
(I think Curt Flood and Vada Pinson were also from that part of Oakland.)
Since they are also black, their "communication patterns" and cultural
background must be the same, no?

IMHO:  sometimes, Rickey is just a jerk.  A jerk who happens to be a great
player.  A jerk who is the best leadoff man in baseball history.
A jerk I'd be happy to have on my team.  But a jerk nonetheless.
-- 
--Dave Till, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, Sietec Open Systems Division,
2235 Sheppard Ave. E. #1800, Willowdale, Ont. (dave@sni.CA or dave@snitor.uucp)
Currently #7 on the rec.sport.baseball "Dave" chart.
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From: sigmond@leland.stanford.edu (Steve Sigmond)
Subject: Where's Kevin Tapani?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 02:27:58 GMT

The Twins played their third game today and according to the boxscores,
Tapani hasn't started any of them. Is he starting the season on the DL or
something? I find it hard to believe he'd be number 4 in the rotation!

	-Steve
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Today's Birthdays
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:21:34 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays, April 14
Don "Mandrake" Mueller, 1927
Pete Rose, 1941
Greg Maddux, 1966
Marty Keough, 1935
Joe LaHoud, 1947
Dave Justice, 1966
Steve Avery, 1970
Chris Welsh, 1955
Greg Myers, 1966
Milwaukee County Stadium, 1953


--Steve
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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so!
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:13:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: YaleVM.167C2F221.CAVGEOE
Organization: Yale University

In article <10010558@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
rcodo@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Codo) writes:
 
>
> I heard a rumor on the news last night - I was hoping someone
> could confirm.
>
> Rumor has it that there was an exhibition game at Joe Robby (sp?)
> in Miami a week or so ago, and the grounds crews forgot to
> build pitching mounds on the field or the bullpens.  I really find
> this hard to believe, can anyone confirm?
>
     The rumor was half-right.  I saw the game (Braves-Yankees) on
TBS Friday before last and the bullpen mounds were unusable, so
(get this) every time a pitching change was made the new pitcher got
as much time as he needed warming up on the mound on the field.
There *was* a mound on the field, but a few times pitchers complained
about the place where the front foot lands not being firm enough.  It
got worse as the game progressed and more pitches were thrown from it.
Finally, they called the game a tie after nine innings to avoid the
risk of injury.  The mounds they did have in the bullpen looked like
raised wooden boards or something -- I can't remember exactly but it
was some makeshift contraption that was probably put up when they
discovered there were no mounds in the bullpen.  Anyway, the pitchers
wouldn't throw off of them and what warming up they did do while the
game was going on was just throwing outside the foul lines on a level
surface.  Yeah, it looked pretty bad.  But have hope, they've got a
year to learn.
 
Jeff Caveney
From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jays win 4-2
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:46:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <coleman.702749051@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu!> coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Kevin Coleman) writes:
>Yes, but I think that it's also important to note that Morris pitched over
>140 pitches on his way to the victory.  It seems like an awful lot of pitches
>for an opening day game to me.

I agree.  After the Jays went up 4-0, I was certain he was going to
take out Morris and put in Wells/Henke in the 8th and then Ward in the
9th.  When he left him in for the 8th, I was sure Morris wasn't going to
pitch the ninth.  Even after two home runs in the 9th he STILL left
him in.  Does the tying run have to reach third before the closer is
summoned?  Sheesh!

It is becoming clear that, even with this wealth of talent, Cito
Gaston may manage his (an the Blue Jays) way out of a division
championship.  Last year his bad back saved the Jays but Cito came
back for the AL Playoffs and was badly out managed by Kelly.
It doesn`t look to me like he has the confidence of his players.

Boy did the Jays look good on defense.  Alomar and White made
spectacular plays and Derek Bell looks he'll be solid in right (he
does look a little over matched at the plate against Gullickson).
However, Gruber did look bad on Deer's popup just before the homer.

Winfield looks like he'll improve the DH position dramatically.  What
a way to start!

Carl
From: ko@teecs.UUCP (Sam Ko)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:21:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. Red Sox
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

The Jays won 3 games while the Red Sox lose 2
in the season's openner.

......  Go JAYS Go  ..........
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: *** THE JAYS ARE KICKIN' ***
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:42:28 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr7.155645.29665@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING) writes:
> As the entire North American continent saw on television, the Toronto
>Blue Jays - behind the awesome pitching of Jack Morris - stymed the Detriot
>Tigers.  With homeruns from Olerud and Boarders backed up with gold-glove
>defense from Alomar and White, Toronto's win was inevitable.  Let all who
>oppose Toronto's supremacy eat our dust!

Indeed.  Now the Blue Jays have exactly as good a record as the highly
feared Chicago Cubs.

Some people don't recall that the season lasts 162 games.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
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From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Subject: Rulebook Trivia...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:23:37 GMT

In article <92107.212412IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>  
writes:
> With runners on first and second with two outs, the pitcher pitches the  
ball
> into the dirt. It bounces up and is blocked by the catcher, who quickly  
throws
> off his mask. Rather than reach down with his throwing hand, the catcher
> takes a swipe at the ball with his mask, picking it up from the ground.  
What
> should the umpire do, if anything? What happens?

My guess is that since the mask is legal equipment, the umpire should not  
do anything.  The play is not dead, and continues.

jason
cheese@wam.umd.edu
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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Ken Griffey?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:25:42 GMT

In <14APR199216141161@summa.tamu.edu> fwt4290@summa.tamu.edu (TSAO, FREDDIE WEI) writes:

>	Is it my overlooking, or has Ken Griffey Jr. not been playing?
>If he is not, please tell me the reason.

He's been playing, but he just hasn't hit worth a damn! He started real
slow last year as well before turning it on in mid-June. Hopefully, with
Mitchell hitting behind him, Griffey can remember how to hit before school
gets out...

He did have a HR the other night, though.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:23:58 GMT

Everyone's ignored these stats I've posted for Rickey vs. Nolan, I'd
like to repost them.

The idea is, if you're comparing a batter against a pitcher, it should
be very easy to tell who's further above average, because you can just
add their statistics together to see whether the result is above average
(batter is better) or below average (pitcher is better).

I only had Ryan's stats for the last eight years.  I don't feel this
hurts the comparison, because (1) Though Ryan gave up fewer walks,
he gave up more home runs and had a higher ERA than in his early years,
and (2) The eight years comprise a sizable chunk of Henderson's career,
but only a third of Ryan's, so unless Henderson greatly outpaces Ryan
over the last eight years, it's going to be well nigh impossible for
his first four years to compare to Ryan's first seventeen.

In article <1992Apr14.231610.25520@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Let's take the last eight years of Rickey, and add it to the last eight
>years of Nolan.
>
>	AB	H	2B/3B/HR	R/RBI	BB	SB
>Rickey	4069	1185	209/26/149	922/466	757	567
>Nolan	5947	1208	214/40/117	671/589	663	270
>Total	10016	2393	423/66/266		1430	837
>
>Total	600	143	25/4/16		96/63	86	50	238/334/373
>Avg LF	624	163	28/4/16		??/62	62	??	261/331/398
>(The avg AL hitter is almost the exact same as the average AL LF.)
>
>When you add up Nolan's and Rickey's stats, the total results in a batter
>that is below the average AL hitter, *and* the average AL left-fielder.
>This wouldn't be true *unless* Ryan was at least as far above average
>as Henderson was.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
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From: todd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar)
Subject: Re: why righty-righty match-up?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:13:08 GMT

In article <cdukFHa00awU4i60dz@andrew.cmu.edu> al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 14-Apr-92 Re: why
>righty-righty match.. Chengi Jimmy Kuo@locus.c (873)
>
>> I've also heard (never played baseball, always softball) it's easier
>> to pick up the ball out of the pitcher's opposing hand than the near
>> hand.  (Confirmation requested, if anyone can offer one.)
>
>
>Without a doubt.  Even a fastball seems to be coming at you, not tailing
>away.  

This is true - a great pitch for a righty pitcher vs righty hitters is the
tailing fastball up & in...but lefties will throw their fastball more
often than not away from right handed hitters so the ball tails off the
blate...righty pitchers will throw the ball inside to a righty hitter...

>The sight lines are better since you don't seem to be shielded by
>the pitcher's body when he throws.  

This actually has little to do with which hand the pitcher throws with - a
good pitcher, lefty or righty tends to hide the ball as long as possible 
with his body and/or glove in their motion... (Eckersley, though he's a side
armer seems to do this pretty well)  

>On breaking pitches, you pick up the
>ball faster and get a better feel for how and when it is going to break.

nope - good hitters just have the knack and the hand of the pitcher is pretty
much irrelevant...

tkp

______________________________________________________________________________
Todd K. Pedlar                   ! 
Graduate Student                 !      "Damn it, Jim, I'm a physicist,
Nuclear Physics                  !
Northwestern University          !              not an engineer!"
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From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
Subject: Re: Sabo out
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:15:48 GMT

In article <204641@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.132243.25673@eve.wright.edu> kstith@eve.wright.edu writes:
>>Bad news for the Reds....Sabo is going to be out 2 weeks with his
>>sprained ankle. They're probably going to put him on the disabled list
>
>Here's yet another bit of evidence in favor of Sherri Nichols's point from
>last year, that aggressive/hustling/fiery/etc. play is not necessarily a good
>thing, even on average.  Sabo has established himself as one of the premier
>players in the NL in combined offensive and defensive value, and has thrown
>all of that away by the unbelievably moronic mechanism of TRYING TO SLIDE INTO
>FIRST BASE FOR NO APPARENT REASON.  Real gritty; real dumb.  Lenny Dykstra's
>murophilia seems almost tame by comparison...
>
>
	Yeah, I remember this discussion (since I was mostly on the
other side of it). While I agree that there is no substitute for
'intelligent' play ( what Sabo did was *Not* intelligent) I would
still rather have a Sabo or a Dykstra on my team ANYDAY before I took 
a major-league wimp like Eric Davis.  
 	However, I notice from watching a few Dodger games that Eric 
seems to be woken up a bit since he was traded. Good thing since it is
about time he milks some serious money from the Dodger organization before
the next 'mystery' illness or the next player strike. 
	Cal Ripken's style of play is a perfect example. Not too dangerous,
but definitely not WIMPY!

-tms	
-- 
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Oh No..
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:08:25 GMT

In article <31716@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>BTW, James seemed very distracted to me during the interview. He
>avoided answering questions, looked around when answering few, and
>generally looked like he didnt want to be there in the first place.

He always comes across as distracted, even in person.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team  :)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:16:55 EDT

In article <1992Apr13.184236.26061@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v393qp56@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Viktor Brenner) writes:
 
>
>of  Ricky Henderson		I only make 3mil and i'm more important
>				to the game?  Who's this Ruth fella, get
>				his picture outta here, I'm the best that
>				has ever been.
 
     Aw, c'mon, give Rickey (note spelling) a break.  When he said,
"You were good, Lou, but today I am the greatest," he was referring
to prowess in stealing bases, not overall ability or value.  And you
know what?  He was right.  His assessment of both Brock and himself
was pretty accurate.  No, it wasn't elegant or gracious but dammit,
Henderson isn't paid to make speeches, he's paid to win ballgames
for the teams he plays for, and he's done a hell of a lot more of
that than Nolan Ryan or any of the clowns who thought it was so
"fitting" that Ryan stole the headlines the next morning.  He was
put on the spot and may have sounded a little arrogant but like
Dizzy Dean said, if you can do it, it ain't bragging.
     ESPN's little 7>939 feature was really nasty and undeserved
by Henderson.  It's too bad that Ryan will probably get more HOF
votes than Rickey, and maybe even go in on an earlier ballot, seeing
as Rickey is at least twice as good a player as Ryan.
 
Jeff Caveney
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