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From: jcastle@missing.kludge.com (Jeff Castle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG - Plot flaw or am I missing something?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:25:28 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

dlileiki@AFIT.AF.MIL writes:

> I just saw the ST:TNG episode where subspace creatures kidnap members of the 
> Enterprise crew, do experiments on them, and send them back.  The storyline 
> implies that these creatures found the Enterprise because of Jordie's sensor 
> adjustments.  However, the show opens with Ricker having trouble sleeping 
> nights and ferarful of Doctor Crusher's instrument BEFORE the sensor 
> changes are made. To me, this implies the creatures were already aware of 
> the Enterprise crew and the sensors had nothing to do with it.
> 
> Did I miss something or what?

This isnt necessarily in response to your message, but it reminded me
of something.. Did anyone else notice the *Strong* similaritys of this 
ST:TNG episode to the current 'alien abductions' going on around the 
world?  Best example I can think of is Striebers book: Communion.

Anyway, it just sorta struck me as I was watching it that it seemed 
somewhat similiar..

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
    <1993Jan7.192341.19240@qualcomm.com>
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx19.mik.uky.edu!rccarm00
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:01:43 GMT

medwards@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Matt Edwards) writes:

>Dunno if this belongs here but....

   No.  It doesn't.  

RC Carman

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From: grabat@scorch.apana.org.au (Grant Bates)
Subject: Re: Problem with ST6
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:18:00 GMT

Actually, the problem that has been irking me is the explosion of the
Klingon moon and the energy wave that battered the Excelsior.

Assuming that the energy wave didn't move faster than the speed of
light (probably not even close !), and noting that when Sulu contacted
the moon (Praxis ?) to offer assistance, the disaster was still in
full swing, can we assume that the Excelsior was only a few light
hours from the moon (I am assuming it was a moon of their homeworld),
right in their backyard ?

Just how big is the Neutral zone anyway ?  ;)

btw, even if it is a problem, I just LOVED that scene where we were
introduced to Captain Sulu and we got to see the Excelsior get
buffeted by the wave.

-- 
Grant Bates
grabat@scorch.apana.org.au
Newcastle, N.S.W., Australia
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Paramount Press Release - ST:DS9 - 721: Emissary
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


Emissary

Episode #721



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	[none]


				_C_A_S_T

	Commander Benjamin Sisko		Avery Brooks
	Odo					Rene Auberjonois
	Dr. Julian Bashir			Siddig El Fadil
	Jadzia Dax				Terry Farrell
	Jake Sisko				Cirroc Lofton
	Chief Operations Officer Miles O'Brien	Colm Meany
	Quark					Armin Shimerman
	Major Kira Nerys			Nana Visitor

	Captain Picard/Locutus			Patrick Stewart
	Kai Opaka				Camille Saviolla
	Jennier					Felecia Bell
	Gul Dukat				Marc Alaimo
	

	Story by:				Michael Piller &
						Rick Berman
	Teleplay by:				Michael Piller
	Directed by:				David Carson



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE: "Emissary" -- On a distant outpost at
	the edge of the final frontier, an untested crew embarks on an
	unprecedented journey in the two-hour series premiere of STAR TREK:
	DEEP SPACE NINE.


_A_D_V_E_R_T_I_S_I_N_G_ _C_O_P_Y

	IT WAITS...

	At the edge of the final frontier for an untested crew to begin
	an unprecedented journey.


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Tonight, the wait is over.  STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE Series Premiere!
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From: brownd@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (David H Brown)
Subject: Deep Space Nine on KMSP-9 (Twin Cities Metro)
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:39:24 GMT

	Well, I spent most of last night on the modem, so my friends were
unable to call to tell me that the first episode was broadcast last night
:-(

So, I called KMSP again and here's the scoop:

Episode		First broadcast			Repeat
--------	----- ----------		-------
1		Monday, 1/11 			Sunday, 1/17 8:00p
2		Tuesday, 1/19 7:00p		Friday, 1/22 8:00p
3		Tuesday, 1/26 7:00p		Friday, 1/29 8:00p

Come February, their schedule is supposed to settle down, with broadcasts on
Tuesdays at 7:00 and repeats on Sundays at 8:00. I imagine I'll call them
again towards the end of the month just to make sure... their phone number is
(612) 944-9999 if you want to call them, too. My guess is that the Tuesday
slot is pretty reliable.

By the way, after the premier they pulled the end credits back into a little
window thing so they could have their newscaster onscreen. For the repeat, it
just ran and you could actually see the credits. So, if you like credits and
they do something dumb during the prime-time showing, you might want to check
out the repeat (not so prime, I would think, on a Sunday night). Especially
if you're... (ahem) "time-shifting" the broadcast for your own personal use
:-).

Now, where can I trade in my Omni for a Runabout...
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Radio Techie, Desktop Publisher, Medieval Recreationist, Trekker, slices
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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: I ask again ... (Klingon language mailing list)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:12:09 GMT

In article <1idgbmINN299@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann) writes:
>From: aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann)
>Subject: I ask again ... (Klingon language mailing list)
>Date: 6 Jan 93 02:32:22 GMT
>
>Does anyone know at what address I can subscribe to the Klingon
>language mailing list?  I only know the name of the list is
>tlhIngan-Hol; I don't know the site.  And please post the info
>publicly, because I don't like getting mail from people saying,
>"Ooh!  Ooh!  When you find out, tell me too!"  Thank you.

Puhlease:::: Tell me too.....!!!!!

BTW What about a lang.tlhIngan

Oh.. I got a bit of a problem here, since I am really fresh at the klingon 
language. On the conversional klingon cassette they have a few curses. I'd 
swear one of them is: Hot'vatlh. Probably spelled wrong, but hey, you get 
the Idea. Now I can't get this to mean anything but "cheap hundred" 
translated. In my book; that's a pretty stupid curse...
Any info on basically anything regarding the Klingon language and where to 
find such on internet is highly appreciated.


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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What will they call the TNG movie?
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:27:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


	How about {Whatever the name is} in really big letters with "A Star
Trek The Next Generation Movie" in really small letters below it.

	We're not stupid.  When we see previews, posters, ads, etc., we'll
probably hit on it being an STTNG movie pretty quick.  Of course, this is
assuming Paramount will be able to come up with clever, memorable names (not
seen often in Star Trek).
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Kobyashi Maru
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:50:44 GMT
Organization: ucsd
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


>OK, I know that even the spelling may be wrong, and this is probably a FAQ,
>but what, exactly, does the name of that ship from TWOK mean?

I think the first part is simply a proper name, like Jones or Smith,
and "maru" has something to do with ship or sea in Japanese.

I saw a ship two weeks ago in Coos Bay harbor, Oregon, with a similar name 
loading wood chips.

-rabjab
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST: DS9 *Some SPOILERS* Bajorans=Jews/Cardassians=?
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:26:34 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

In "Ensign Ro," I immediately picked up the parallels
Bajoran=Palestinian, Cardassian=Israeli for the reasons previously
posted.  However, in "Emissary," it looked like they were going for
another, more immediate, parallel.  

Yugoslavia.

"...factions that were united against the Cardassians have resumed old
conflicts." 

Frankly, modern-day parallels are fine and dandy, but I hope that this
conflict develops its OWN identity, rather than just borrowing from
current events.  That's something I found really jarring about TOS.
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From: jcastle@missing.kludge.com (Jeff Castle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:20:47 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

<WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

> >
> >
> >I must agree.  I thought that with the talk of this series being
> >strong competition for TNG and DS9 it would at least be worth a look.
> >I though it was very possibly the worst science-fiction series I have
> >ever seen!  It ranked right up there with Buck Rogers and the like.
> >
> >        If this is supposed to be competition for anything, they
> >should at least pit it against an equally pathetic show...I mean just
> >because they hide behind lots of techno-speak doesn't make it a good
> >universe...
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >J.Marc Chabot
> 
> I turned to another channel after ten minutes of watching that space garbage
> went by... but seriously this show is no where near the budget that DSN and T
>  put together and the SFX is cheesy that I have expected it to melt.  Can't s
> the same about Time Trax and Babylon 5 (coming to Ch.9 this Feb.) till I see
> them both.  I heard that B5 uses computer graphics instead of models.
> 

Time Trax looked prettlow-budget to me, although it did seem superior
to Space Rangers.  Babylon 5 is probebly going to be the biggest of the
Sci-Fi shows (Non Trekelated, that is) And your right, They use relativly 
low-cost computers tanimate scenes instead of using models.  According to
the special effects guy they are trying to work in a character or two 
into the series that is completly computer generated.

I really enjoyed DS9 and am happy to see all the SciFi coming out.  Even 
though Space Rangers was so lame, it's at least a SciFi show, and not 
another damn situation comedy. The only way I coul see a really lowbudget 
show like Space Rangers work out.. is if they had Really good writers..
Which its become somewhat apparent that they dont =)

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jcastle@missing.kludge.com  (Jeff Castle)
The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Transporter question..
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 13:25:21 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

bbs.maddox@tsoft.net (Otto Maddox) writes:

> I have alwasy wondered why the people in Star Trek have to go to the 
> Transporter room to beam to places when in times of crisis they can beam 
> directly to the bridge or directly to other places?

Well, obviously they don't *have* to.  However, the Tech Manual states
that a site-to-site transport uses twice as much energy as a
conventional transport (where the person either begins or ends on the
transported pad).  So that's why they only do it in emergencies.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: Reducing Troi's Butt/Holodiet
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 13:00:46 GMT


johns@io.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns) writes:
 >My co-workers and I have determined a way to help Troi loose those
 >additional pounds.  

WHAT "additional pounds"??   She looks fantastic!

Back in the first season she had a slight weight problem, but that was 
a LONG time ago.  ET even did a report on Marina and her workout program.

 >As we all know holodeck matter cannot exist outside the holodeck right?

Wrong. :->    Only holodeck "replicants" can't exist outside.

 >So let Troi go into the holodeck running any number of restaurant/ice
 > cream parlor programs.  She can pig out to her heart's content, AND 
 >when she leaves the holodeck all the "food" she ate will just go away.

Sorry.  Food eaten on the holodeck would be exactly the same and 
just as "real" as if it came out of any other replicator...

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Problem with ST6
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:31:32 GMT

grabat@scorch.apana.org.au (Grant Bates) writes:

>Actually, the problem that has been irking me is the explosion of the
>Klingon moon and the energy wave that battered the Excelsior.

>Assuming that the energy wave didn't move faster than the speed of
>light (probably not even close !), and noting that when Sulu contacted
>the moon (Praxis ?) to offer assistance, the disaster was still in
>full swing, can we assume that the Excelsior was only a few light
>hours from the moon (I am assuming it was a moon of their homeworld),
>right in their backyard ?

Okay, but is Praxis a moon of Kronos? or is it just a generic klingon
moon say like a Federatio moon? I mean saying 'Klingon' to show
ownership?

>btw, even if it is a problem, I just LOVED that scene where we were
>introduced to Captain Sulu and we got to see the Excelsior get
>buffeted by the wave.

Me too! :)


			CtB
From: andrew.nipperess@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: mnemonics
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:20:12 GMT

Original to: Garber@Aru.Dom.Uab.Edu
-On the day of 12-10-00  21:14, David Garber spoke unto All, 
                                                        and he did sayeth-

 Ga> garber@aru.dom.uab.edu (David W. Garber), via Kralizec 3:713/602
 
 >
 >> I find it easier to remember that LEFT and PORT have the same number of
 >> letters.
 >

 Ga> The old name for port was larboard (changed, I suppose, because it
 Ga> would have been too easy to confuse with starboard).  I remember port
 Ga> being left because starboard doesn't start with an l, and larboard
 Ga> does. Confusing, eh?

 Ga> -!- *IXgate.
 Ga>  ! Origin: Univ of Ala. @ Birmingham (via IXgate 3:713/602)

The reason for all this comes from the Viking longships (in the version i 
know)- where the rudder was a paddle mounted on the right hand side of the
ship, at the rear- thus steer-board. The ship would dock with its left side
to the wharf- thus port is left. Larboard is (*i think*) a corruption of
lee-board, meaning the non-windy side. I don't know why this is the left 
though.

Why this means the starboard power coupling is always the one to fail, I
don't
know- maybe it just sounds better.


                                        Nipper



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From: raeram@kittyhawk (Richard A. Muirden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Was Chekov a Stalinst, or just affected by the era? :)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:50:10 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au


Could it be that our intrepid Chekov, famed for his 'This was
iwented in Russia' type lines, was a Stalinist, or was affected
by all that went on in that era? I submit to you, as example
the following text from a wonderful book I have just read on
the life of Dmitri Shostakovich:

... it was in the world of thought that the growing freeze was most
insidious for, having dealt with literature and film, Zhdanov's
programme of ideological purification was now exercising its frigid
energies on a drive to establish the 'primacy' of Soviet science.
Some of the results of this were merely ridiculous. Claims that            
supposedly Western inventions of radio, internal combustion, penicillin,
and the aeroplane - had actually been made by obscure Russians,
led to popular cracks about the USSR being 'the home of the elephants'
(though an announcement that Russia had discovered Antarctica seemed
apt enough). 

- p. 188, "The New Shostakovich" by Ian MacDonald

come on, lines like "Scotch? It was inwented by a little old lady
from Leningrad" and "Russian epic of Cinderella" and so on - doesn't
it sound like Zhdanov got to Chekov as well? :)
 
-richard
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From: s_goetz@irau27.ira.uka.de (Oliver Goetz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Why not always warp 9?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:29:32 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

Because:

"If we'll keep this speed, we'll blow up any minute now!" - Scotty


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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG - Plot flaw or am I missing something?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:38:42 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

dlileiki@AFIT.AF.MIL writes:

> I just saw the ST:TNG episode where subspace creatures kidnap members of the 
> Enterprise crew, do experiments on them, and send them back.  The storyline 
> implies that these creatures found the Enterprise because of Jordie's sensor 

It's been six years.  Isn't it about time to learn how to spell the
characters' names?  GEORDI.

> adjustments.  However, the show opens with Ricker having trouble sleeping

RIKER.
 
> nights and ferarful of Doctor Crusher's instrument BEFORE the sensor 
> changes are made. To me, this implies the creatures were already aware of 
> the Enterprise crew and the sensors had nothing to do with it.
> 
> Did I miss something or what?

You missed this line in the teaser:

GEORDI  We've been testing a way to channel warp energy directly to the
        main deflector grid.  It should enhance the long-range sensors.

In other words, the new sensor technology was not in use yet, but it
already existed and was being operated experimentally.  That was enough
to give the subspace beings a signal to home in on.

-- 
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From: marc.r.stephens@um.cc.umich.edu (Marc R. Stephens)
Subject: Make-up!
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 13:36:24 EST
Organization: Medical Admin (University of Michigan)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc

Does anyone out there know a source for appliques (i.e, Klingon forehead
ridges, Bajoran nose thingies, Cardassian bumps, etc)?  I would prefer the
actual moulds, but individual pieces are ok too.
E-mail me, let me know.

******************************************************************************

                 What the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves.

                               Marc Stephens
                      marc.r.stephens@um.cc.umich.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: heyer@stsci.edu
Subject: PPC PR - DS9 - #404 (Susan Bay ??)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:03:45 GMT

In article <4737@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
> 
> Past Prologue
> 
> Episode #404
> 
stuff deleted
> 
> 	Admiral					Susan Bay
> 	

Is this Susan Bay, as in Leonard Nimoy's wife? Or have I had too much coffee?

>
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From: dboese@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Darcy Boese)
Subject: Re: Odo
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:11:12 GMT

> 
> 	Also, an eternal question...  why didn't he just shape himself as a
> Cardassian when he boarded that ship??  Many other questions arise.  hmm...
>

If he can't even make himself look like a decent human with our nice smooth
skin, then how can he possibly expect to pass as a Cardassian with their
horribly complex skin?