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From:         Lora Harris <LHARRIS@UPEI.CA>
Subject:      signature graffiti!

Date:  9-APR-1992 16:28:14

        Thought you all might get a kick out of what a co-worker has done to my
sig.txt in a reply today.  (SIGH).  With friends like these to keep me
humble...

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:13:58 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Biblical NT Church Leadership - Part 03

Still going
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SCOPE.

Apostles are architects
Wise master builders (1 Cor 3:10)
Given by Ascended Christ for the ongoing building and extension of the church.
Must have a proven ministry in his local church (Paul and Barnabas were
based in Antioch)

Six Fold Ministry of the Apostle

1) Foundations
	1 Cor 3:9-15
	Eph 2:20
	Tit 1:5
Releasing new churches - Raising churches.
Rebuild existing churches (2 Cor 10:13-16)
_Unique_ gifting and annointing foundationally.
Apostles involvement will LESSEN as the churches mature (another church
heresy)

2) Revelation
	With the local pastors, the apostle brings visionary revelation to
the church.

3) Formation
	Setting in order of individual life.
	Setting in order of church life.
	Recognising leadership and ministry (Acts 14:23, Tit 1:5)
	Decisions regarding government and doctrine.

4) Emancipation
	Acts 2:42
	Acts 15:31
	I Cor 5:1-5
Keeps churches free from:	Wrong Emphasis
				Doctrinal Off-centredness
				Spiritual Coldness
				Incorrect Practice
Helps to strategise with local elders
Release difficult situations
Detect Legalism and/or Licensiousness
Implement difficult cases of church discipline
	Acts 5:1-11
Breaks new ground, pioneer new church.

5) Edification
	1 Thes 3:10
Brings unity to work of God.
1 Cor 16 - Finances of local church relates to apostolic team to help ALL
churches
Envisage the church with the wider implications of the church (body).

6) Ordination of Elders.
No one other than apostles have the right to ordain elders.

SIGNS OF AN APOSTLE -

1)	Stable body of believers (1 Cor 9:1-2)
	Disciples, and not just converts

2) 	Steadfastness (2 Cor 12:11-12)

3) 	Signs and wonders (2 Cor 12:2) (not just apostles)
	Balance between miraculous power and Spiritual Stability..


Well... There ya go!.. Comments?


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Ian Williams          			Internet: iwilliam@au.oracle.com
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:48:57 EST
From:         John Ross <ROSSJB@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      radio preacher/music

A couple o' weeks ago I had the pleasure of driving from Rochester, NY
down to Charleston, SC.  I listened to many radio stations on the way,
many Christian.

One of the Christian radio stations struck me as interesting.

There was this preacher with a southern twang ranting and raving and,
basically, frothing at the mouth.  His problem?  Charismatics.

Frankly, I'm not a Charismatic and find that _sometimes_ too much
emphasis is placed on the gifts.  However, I did find that what he said
about Charismatics was quite untrue.  (He was attacking them with
faulty salvo after faulty salvo.)

His next topic was that of hair.  His message, not mine:

Two generations ago, women had long hair and went to church.

One generation ago, womens' hair started getting shorter and they
started going to church sporadically.

This generation (my generation, I guess), women's hair is getting real
short, and they're not going to church.

His point?  Short hair is of the devil.

Uh-huh.  OKayyyyy, said I.

Here's where it got interesting...  I don't remember his exact quotes,
but what follows is pretty close to what he said:

"And you wouldn't BELIEVE some of the music that is passed
off as being CHRISTIAN!  Some of it actually has _drums_ in it!  Yeah,
brothers, DRUMS!  If you look in the Bible, you'll find no mention of
drums!  We should stick with the instruments that are found in the
_Bible_, dear brothers!"







Then he turned on the electric organ.


John
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THANKS.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:28:02 CDT
From:         Roy Jacobsen <NU021927@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: weather
              16 Apr 1992 13:05:00 MDT from <SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>

Hey, up here in God's country (North Dakota)
we've had full-out blizzards in April.  The weather
this particular winter has been quite mild, but I'm
not putting away the winter survival gear just yet.
We've gotten hit hard before.

One of the jokes that makes the rounds is:
"Forty below keeps out the riff-raff!"

With _warm_ wishes to you all,
ttfn

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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Heterosexual risk

Urban Research Institute
Phone: 502-588-6626

No one has mentioned that 60 Minutes aired an article this past Sunday on
heterosexual AIDS.  It may have been a rerun, but it was the first time I
saw it.  At any rate, they focused on Uganda, where 25% of the adult
heterosexual population is now infected.  This is probably largely due
to sex without condoms, but it certainly does signal a warning sign
for the U.S., where 60 Minutes reports that among teenagers and college
age adults the rate of AIDS among heterosexuals is increasing dramatically.
If you watch 60 minutes this Sunday they will give the address for
transcripts if anyone is interested in obtaining one.

Brenda
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From:         "Jeff Sinatra" <BSC92SPA18@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Perfection (was: Re: Planets and matter)
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Roy,
What do you think Jesus meant when he told his followers to "Be ye therefore
perfect, even as your father which is heaven is perfect"? (Matt. 5:48) You may
want to look at the 70+ references to perfection in the Bible.  Perfection does
not create imperfection--God, who is perfect, cannot create imperfection.  It
is the mortal belief, which has nothing in God, that enables imperfection to
appear to exist.  Mortality is nothing because its very nature is a lack of
understanding--a lack of immortality.  For if we understood our own immortality
how could mortality continue to exist.  It wouldn't, and we would wake to God's
pure, spiritual, reality--the scriptural promises would be fulfilled.

				love,
				  Jeff Sinatra
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:48:40 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject: re: Water Baptism

Kerry asks:

 (1) What is your church's belief about how baptism should be
performed?

I am an Anglican (Episcopalian). We pour water or immerse. The
traditional Order for Infant Baptism reads:

 > Then shall the Minister dip the infant discreetly in the font,
 > or else pour water upon him, saying, "N, I baptize thee in the
 > name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

     (I love that adverb!)

 A friend from Texas says: "We had a bit of a dry spell a few years
back. It got so bad that the Baptists were pouring, the
Episcopalians were sprinkling, the Methodists were using a damp
washcloth, and the Presbyterians were issuing rain checks."

 (2) What is your church's belief about when baptism is appropriate?

We baptise when it is expected that the person will thereafter be
considered a part of the Christian community. That means that an
adult convert will be baptized, and so will a child whose parents
have declared their intent of bringing him up in the Christian
faith.

 (3) Does your denomination baptize into the particular denomination
or into the body of Christ?

We baptise into the body of Christ. We do not rebaptize those who
join us from other denominations, and who have already been baptized
with water "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost."

 (4) What is the baptismal ceremony like...?

The essential part is given under (1) above.  The person to be
baptized promises (either in person or by proxy) to renounce the
Devil and all his works, and to believe in and follow Christ.  The
congregation promises to accept responsibility for the spiritual
nurture of the new member.  Ordinarily the baptism is administered
in the church building (it is customary to have the font near the
entrance of the building, as a sign that it is by baptism that one
enters the Church). Baptism normally takes place in the presence of
the congregation, as part of a regular Church service. Ideally,
baptism is administered at the beginning of the Easter Celebration,
as a token that Baptism is a participation in the death and
resurrection of Christ.

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:40:19 EST
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Good Friday

Yes, Easter is terrific, but let's not forget Good Friday.
What our Lord suffered for us, endured for us.  And He would
have done it if there was only one.  Remember his sacrifice
that we will live with him forever.  Praise the Lord!
Thank you, Jesus.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:21:26 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Request-pregnant friend

An Update:

My friend's pregnant ex-girlfriend has talked to his mother, and she senses
that there has been some movement in the direction of keeping the baby.  How-
ever, the appointment on Monday at the clinic has not been cancelled, and she
has not yet made up her mind what to do.  My friend is going to visit her
this weekend (Palm Sunday--ironically enough, the same day when I will be
participating in the prolife lifechain, he will be unable to, as he will be
doing real-live intervention.  God does work in mysterious ways.), since
she will be nearby visiting her grandparents.  Please pray that God will
speak through him, that the will of God will be done in this situation,
and that this girl will make a decision she will be able to live with for
the rest of her life.  (BTW, I hope I did not leave the impression that
my friend is the father.  He is not; the father is uninterested in the entire
process, from what we can gather.  He (and I) are merely concerned friends
and fellow Christians she feels comfortable talking to.)  Please keep this
situation in your prayers.  Thank you.
                                           Love INC,
                                                    ---Kerry
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From:         "Jeff Sinatra" <BSC92SPA18@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Poverty
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Kerry,
Did God create poverty?  Is it God that made suffering? Would God, who is Love,
create this human experience named poverty?  Are you blaming God for all of the
suffering in the world?  If not, than you must be arguing that there is more
than one God, more than one creator--"All things were made by him; and without
him was not any thing made that was made."(John 1:3)
	"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up," stated
Jesus.  He let his enemies destroy his body, in order to prove the falsity of
mortality.  He demonstrated that death is not legitimate, that it is indeed the
"last enemy."  If death is real, is Truth, then Jesus could have never overcome
it, but if it is only belief, then this belief was demonstrated to be untrue
when Jesus body was risen from the dead.  Jesus confronted mortality head-on,
and in doing so, he proved mortality to be the error, and immortality to be the
Truth.  He stared death in the face, and then destroyed it--he proved man to be
immortal, not mortal.

				love,
				  Jeff Sinatra
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:37:31 CDT
From:         Roy Jacobsen <NU021927@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More info on my prayer request

Kerry,
"Pray about it."  I have been. ;-)  Thanks for your
input.

ttfn

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:10:50 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TESTIMONY

John:
As both a former New Ager and a former occultist myself, I would be
EXTREMELY interested in reading your postings on the subject.  Mail on!
                                              Love INC,
                                                       ---Kerry
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:25:29 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Disagreeing with the Bible

DJ:
Darryl will laugh in my face, I am sure, but IMO the Lord never contradicts
his Word.  Any message you may get that you assume to be from God should
be tested against Scripture.  In addition, you must ask yourself the following
questions:  a) Does this message glorify the Lord Jesus Christ?  b) Does this
message uplift Christ more than it does my own self?  c) Does it agree with
Scripture?  If the answer to any of these is "no," you must ignore the
message.
As to the passage you cited, it is very rarely mentioned that the situation
which Paul was writing about required that newly Christianized pagan women
learn the Christian way of worship, which was much more subdued than the
rioutous pagan rituals dedicated to the female dieties of Greece and Rome.
HOWEVER:  If you yourself feel convicted by this verse, it may well be that
God has a special meaning for giving it to you.  Whom God loves he will
chasten.  Perhaps you need to re-examine your total modern attitude toward
women's roles in light of the entirety of Scripture.  That is not for me
to say.  I do know, however, that the Lord never lays a burden on our
hearts without a reason, and that reason is always and entirely to glorify
and magnify the Son of God.
                           Love INC,
                                    ---Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:52:50 CDT
From:         Roy Jacobsen <NU021927@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christ-like Service

Doug,
     I enjoyed the story.  And (IMO) your friends didn't
go to all that trouble just "for the sake of a cat."
They did it for the lady, and themselves, too.  Imagine how
bad they would have felt had they done nothing?  Good
deeds are rewarded, no matter how small they are.

ttfn

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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:32:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Feminist theology/little god movement

Liz writes:

>Doesn't look good, does it!  I've noticed little things at my church
>such as changing words -- 'all men' to 'all human beings' and changed
>'He' (meaning Jesus) to 'she' in songs.   Also, they've introduced
>guided imagery, centering and visualization and praying in the yoga
>position.

  In a Christian church??  Hmmm...maybe you should think about
  leaving.


   Vicky
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:05:29 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: re-pro-choice

Darryl:  The point I was making is that there is a point at which
    our abilities fail--the point at which the egg and sperm meet.
    We can NOT induce fertilization, no matter how hard we try.  It
    is a process that requires the direct intervention of God.  It is
    not, as with eggs and flour, a problem of having done the mixing wrong,
    or failing to continue with the process, or not intending to have the
    outcome of cake.  The problem is that we are _incapable_ of providing
    the mysterious, God-given spark of life necessary to cause fertilization.
    If fertilization results more than one percent of the time, that is
    not sufficient to assign the outcome to anything more than accident or
    divine intervention.  A human being is not a cake.
                                                        Love INC,
                                                                 ---Kerry
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:57:00 EST
From:         "Jeff Sinatra" <BSC92SPA18@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Spiritual and physical death
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Vicky,

V>Aren't you saying here that Man _is_ God? since man is eternal as God is
V>eternal, and Man is made in the image of God.

Man is an expression of God, not God Himself--God is Spirit, and man in the
"image and likeness" of God, is spiritual.  To me, an "...eternal separation
from God's presence" is not possible, because our life is derived from God--
God is eternal Life, and we are eternally living.

				love,
				  Jeff Sinatra
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:30:00 EDT
From:         NWILSON@SMITH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Abortion terminology

Kerry
        Can I humbly ask and can you humbly answer what difference it
makes whether the terms should be hyphenated or unhyphenated?
        I am beginning to feel that the discussion of abortion is getting
out of hand.
                Nicole
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:42:39 EDT
From:         Andrew Brennan <BRENNAAA@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Donny's Comics ...

      Gee, Donny's lucky that his 5000 comics listed out at less
   than 300 lines ... I dunno how interested Madge and Steven are
   in collecting them.  :^)

      andrew.  (brennaaa@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu)

    (I collect, but he doesn't have any of the titles I follow.)
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:23:48 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ABORTION:Spec. legal

One More Thing:

In my last (long) post, I forgot to address Kurt's question about faulty
legal reasoning.  Here goes:

The "Constitutional" right to abortion is based on "Roe v. Wade," a 4-1-4
decision, with no clear Constitutional reasoning.  It extends the right
to privacy discovered in Griswold v. Connecticut to the specific act of
abortion.  The privacy doctrine itself is an extension of specific
procedural protections that ARE in the Constitution to the area of
personal behavior, which is NOT protected in the text.  In Griswold,
the Justices could not agree on where "privacy" comes from.  They
just said they know its in there somewhere.  More recently, the Georgia
sodomy case, Bowers v. Hardwick explicitly stated that there is NO con-
stitutionally protected right to engage in homosexual sodomy under
the guise of the right of privacy.   It is not rooted in history and
tradition.  Nor, many would argue, is abortion.  If the specific right
to sodomy is not there, why should the specific right to abortion
remain?  Please read Griswold and Roe and decide for yourself whether
it is good or bad law.

By the way, in case you were not aware of it (many people are not),
Roe v. Wade made it illegal for any state to interfere with a woman's
desire to have an abortion, and declared abortion legal (under certain
restrictions) throughout all nine months of pregnancy.  Dr. George
Tiller in Wichita, Kansas, performs abortions into the ninth month
and is proud of it.  He says he is doing a great service for the
women of the nation (the born ones, that is.)

I hope this is not too technical legalese for you; I've had entirely
too much law, I often find it hard to explain.  Please feel free to ask
questions; that's the easiest way I can figure out which parts of law
need to be explained.
                                               Love INC,
                                                        ---Kerry
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