From: lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:42:09 GMT
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In article <1992Dec9.141833.2098@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

Let me start by distinguishing two questions: Ezra Pound as anti-semite,
and Ezra Pound as traitor. Of the first there can be no doubt. Here is a
sample:

"The Semitic poison is in the Semite tempered by the Semite's wobble
from one excess to another... If you believe that a whole race should be
punished for the sins of some of its members, I admit that the expulsion
of the two million Jews in New York would not be an excessive punishment
for the harm done by Jewish finance to the English race in America."

British Union Quarterly [this was a British Fascist publication] vol 2,
pp. 36-48. Cited in E. FUller Torrey "The Roots of Treason" p. 143.

In 1939 Pound wrote

"America is damn well to keep out of the war / BAD enough to have
european aryans murdering each other fer the sake of Willie Wiseman and
... a few buggerin' kikes."

Letter to Wyndham Lewis in the Dept of Rare Books, Cornell Univ Library,
cited by Torrey p 155

Moving on to the treason question,
>Pound did not spend his time making pro-Hitler broadcasts from his
>Italian radio platform.  He spent it making anti-Roosevelt/Churchill
>talks which are probably on file at your local library and make interesting
>reading for the history buff.  His talks started well before U.S. 
>involvement in World War II and in general consisted of dire warnings to
>the U.S. that the Roosevelt/Churchill partnership and policies would
>result in American involvement in the conflict.

The broadcasts began in Jan 1941. They were simultaneously
anti-Churchill and Roosevelt (whom he considered pawns of the Jews) and
in favor of the Axis powers.

>When the U.S. declared war on Italy, Pound went to the train station
>with other American citizens who were leaving Italy.  American embassy
>officials, however, refused to honor his passport and he had no choice
>but to remain in Italy.

Torrey: "Contrary to claims made by Pound and his supporters in later
years, there is no contemporaneous evidence that he considered leaving
following Pearl Harbor." On the contrary, he told an American
correspondent that he believed in Fascism and wished to defend it
[Ibid.].

>The Italians tolerated his talks for which he
>received the nominal sum of $20 per talk even though his talks were not
>supportive of Italian/German military ventures but were anti-Rooseveltian
>as mentioned.  

Like the line that German bombers could not find American troops
because "visibility of black troops is very low after dark." (Torrey, p.  167)

These broadcasts continued on and off for years; he continued to work as
either a writer or broadcaster up until the month of Axis surrender.

>When the Allies conquered Italy in 1943 he was taken into custody and
>charged with treason.

Actually, he was indicted for treason in 1943 in absentia. He was not
captured until 1945.

>He had lived in Italy long enough to have applied
>for and received Italian citizenship as a legal remedy to his problems
>but he refused to do so maintaining that he was guilty of treason.

This is true (I assume a "not" has been dropped from the last sentence),
or at least not in conflict with Torrey. It says nothing to answer the
charge that by retaining his US citizenship--which as you admite he
could have renounced--and then working for a country with which the US
was at war, he had committed treason. (Incidentally, his American-born
superior at one of the Fascist radio stations did renounce his
citizenship.)

I must admit I couldn't find a pro-Hitler speech, or even a pro-anything
speech. The excerpts in Torrey's book are most full of rabid denunciations
of Jews and their alleged pawns, Roosevelt and Churchill.

>He wanted to stand trial for treason.  Instead he was put into a hellhole
>of a mental institution near Washington D.C. as the government knew it
>could not successfully prosecute him for treason (as a reading of his
>wartime talks clearly shows).

Actually, I's say the government had an awesome case. You don't think
working as a propoganda
broadcaster for a country with which we were officially
enemies in a declared war constitues treason?

>along with his influence on Keats, T.S. Eliot, Hemmingway and a multitude
>of others, he was no doubt one of the greatest poets of the era.

Well, that's not really relevant to the legal question!

Incidentally, Mr. Gaut, since you spoke so warmly about those speeches,
are you, like Pound, a believer in the Jewish plot to take over the
world as outline in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

andy
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