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Subject: Re: Cease fire procedures 
From: mike@aloysius.equinox.gen.nz (Mike Campbell)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:04:31 GMT
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In article <655.2240.uupcb@compart.fi> juha.veijalainen@compart.fi writes:

  > In Finnish Winter war and Continuation war finnish troops were ordered to 
  > cease fire several hours before the Soviet troops did.  Soviets continued 
  > to use their antillery and infantry weapons and made several feint 
  > attacks.

Didn't the Finns think along the lines "Yahoo, the cease fire is 
signed, lets all party" before the actual time specified?  The 
Russians then bombarded all known Finnish positions for the last 15 
minutes before the official deadline, causing many casualties and 
great bitterness.



Mike Campbell, Christchurch, New Zealand
mike@aloysius.equinox.gen.nz 
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From: S_GAISER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Gaiser Juergen)
Subject: RE:>CHMUL
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:55:52 GMT
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ZUAA 100 Points FUAR DA BESCHTA SCHBRUCH:

100 POINTS FUER CHMUL !!!!
From: wawers@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de (Theo Wawers)
Subject: Re: >CHMUL
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:13:58 GMT


Sah moo, 

was haescht dann points ? Bei uns dahaemm gebbts das net !

Theo
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 23:53:50 GMT
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In article <hlgrsnp@dixie.com> you write:
>Bob Valentine asks about my oxygen sensor:
>"   Are you using some form of commerical unit with the 02 sensor, 
>    or a home made one 8->.  If it's home made, could you provide 
>    some details?"
>    
>    
>Yes, it is home made.  I posted a description of it several months ago
>here on the hotrod list; it's probably in the archives.  I'll recap
>it briefly:
>
>A Borg_warner OS-109 heated oxygen sensor is installed in the side
>of a piece of exhaust pipe which slips over my tailpipe.  The sensor's
>signal is fed to an op amp buffer and then to an analog panel meter
>which is calibrated to read from 0 to 1 volt (I used a cheap surplus
>meter; new analog meters are outrageously expensive these days).
>
>Since the sensor is at the end of a long piece of pipe there is a
>bit of lag when adjusting at idle speeds but this is easy to get
>used to.
>
>The sensor is being run in the voltage generation mode.  I have plans
>to change over to constant voltage mode because that will extend the
>AFR range over which it is useful.  As it is, the AFR is pure guesswork
>other than knowing that 0.5 volts is stoich.  Maybe I'll get the
>chance to build to build the CV circuitry over Christmas - the design
>is done and has been waiting for me.
>
>BTW, I chose the OS-109 because it was the cheapest heated sensor that I
>could get from a local discount store.  If you want more details then
>e-mail me.  Our plant is shut down from December 24 thru January 3
>so if you don't hear from me soon it will be a while :-).
>
>Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
>...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net
>
>
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>Posted by: emory!ucsd.edu!btree!hale (Bob Hale)

I'd be interested in more details - either e-mail or news posting.

Thanks

wstreet@netcom.com

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Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:16:57 GMT
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-> >  For you guys running in the 5-liter classes, an Aussie 302 crank
-> in a > 351C block could give you a huge advantage over the Windsors.
-> >
>
> Would you expand on this statement?  Thanks!

 Certainly!

 The Cleveland has a taller deck than the 302.  The Aussie 302C comes
with 6.020 inch rods to start with, and you can go 6.25 easily.  You're
starting with a 2:1 rod ratio!   You can use the Cleveland heads, or B&A
is coming out with an intake to put Windsor heads on the Cleveland
block.
                                                                 

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:06:07 GMT
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Bob Valentine asks about my oxygen sensor:
"   Are you using some form of commerical unit with the 02 sensor, 
    or a home made one 8->.  If it's home made, could you provide 
    some details?"
    
    
Yes, it is home made.  I posted a description of it several months ago
here on the hotrod list; it's probably in the archives.  I'll recap
it briefly:

A Borg_warner OS-109 heated oxygen sensor is installed in the side
of a piece of exhaust pipe which slips over my tailpipe.  The sensor's
signal is fed to an op amp buffer and then to an analog panel meter
which is calibrated to read from 0 to 1 volt (I used a cheap surplus
meter; new analog meters are outrageously expensive these days).

Since the sensor is at the end of a long piece of pipe there is a
bit of lag when adjusting at idle speeds but this is easy to get
used to.

The sensor is being run in the voltage generation mode.  I have plans
to change over to constant voltage mode because that will extend the
AFR range over which it is useful.  As it is, the AFR is pure guesswork
other than knowing that 0.5 volts is stoich.  Maybe I'll get the
chance to build to build the CV circuitry over Christmas - the design
is done and has been waiting for me.

BTW, I chose the OS-109 because it was the cheapest heated sensor that I
could get from a local discount store.  If you want more details then
e-mail me.  Our plant is shut down from December 24 thru January 3
so if you don't hear from me soon it will be a while :-).

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net


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Posted by: emory!ucsd.edu!btree!hale (Bob Hale)
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Subject: Re:  302 parts compatible?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:24:21 GMT
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Tom,

The manifolds and distributors will not swap between the two engine types.

The 351W and the 302 can share heads, but the bolt holes on the 351 are
1/2 inch while the 302 are 7/16 inch.  They can also share cams, but they
have different firing orders.  The lifters should also be the same.
I think they also share water pumps and the rest of the driven accessories, 
but the brackets are different.  I think the main bearing caps will exchange, 
but the bearings on the 351W are of a larger diameter (3 inches vs 2.75, 
I think).

I think this is it.

eyc

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Subject: Re: iron to aluminum glide conversion
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:31:47 GMT
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-> Hope the block is not an early specimen with no bolt bosses cast in.

 That reminds me.  When did Chevrolet drop the straddle mount
configuration?  I know it came out in '55, and my '60 would use it if it
had a V8, and I know they had converted to the side mounts by '65.  I
had this idea the changeover was around 1961-1962?  (???)

 The front bolt bosses came back in '68 on the 350 so they could mount
the power steering and stuff more easily, so there were only a few years
there without the front bosses.

 I think the mounting holes on the front of the cylinder heads also
appeared in '68.  (?)  At one time I knew all this stuff, but it was
long ago.
                    

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: using O2 sensor for carb tuning
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:27:55 GMT
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In article <q8br=6q@dixie.com>, hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List) writes:
|> 
|> Until Performance Engineering completes its series on DIY fuel
|> injection I'm stuck using carbs on my vehicles.  I'd like to use
|> an O2 sensor to set the mixtures, but I'm unsure how to hook one
|> up. Is there any more to it than hooking it up to the proper input
|> voltage and measuring the output voltage? Could someone enlighten
|> me? Thanks.
|> 
|> John
|> 
|> ----------
|> Posted by: emory!sprite.Berkeley.EDU!jhh (John H. Hartman)


I recently did hook up an O2 sensor for that purpose.

I got a universal 3 wire O2 sensor from a local Pep Boys ($39) and supplied
12V to the 2 black leads (Three wire sensor is self heating)  When the sensor
gets hot enough it will begin to generate 0 to 1 volt from the white lead.

Going from lean to rich the sensor will output 0.1 on the lean end and 0.9 V
on the rich end of the scale. ( 0.5vdc is about 14.7:1 A/F) 
You can bench test using a butane lighter just be sure the sensor casing is
grounded to the power source as it is when installed in the exhaust pipe.

Use a high impedance volt meter (digital will be more responsive). After messing
around with this I went ahead an got a $35 LED meter from JC Whitney (Ripme)
which is easier to read and works while I drive (Can read at night too).

Very neat toy, this setup allows you to tune the entire fuel curve from
idle to cruise and at WOT.  



$0.02

Ericy

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Subject: RE: Chevy Exaust Maniforl Ques.
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          Pete,
            Is your 305 new, or did you pull it from another car?  If you 
          can find the donor car type, you should use its manifolds.  In 
          1980, GM was putting 5 liters into everything from Camaros to 
          F150 trucks.  The Monte Carlo SS is probably your best bet if you 
          can't determine the original car.  We might be able to tell from 
          the casting numbers.  
          
          Regards,
          Eric
             

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Posted by: ERIC WEBB 919-541-7896 <emory!epamail.epa.gov!WEBB.ERIC>
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Chevy Exaust Maniforl Ques.
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 18:17:58 GMT
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> 
> 
> 	Well let me tell you my dilema. I have a 1980 Monte Carlo that I just
> put mildly modified 305 into. The engine I removed was a 267. The swap went 
> great except for one thing, the dipstick went through the oil pan on the 267,
> but goes through the block right below the head on the 305. The original 
> manifolds go straight across the exaust ports and then down. In other words, I
> can't fit a dipstick around the manifold.

Can't you just bend the dipstick tube to make it clear your manifold?

-- 
Jon Lusky
lusky@gnu.ai.mit.edu

 79 Rx-7 12A/Holley 4bbl
 67 Camaro/350/4spd (under construction)
 89 Jeep Wrangler/258 (currently self destructing)

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Posted by: emory!gnu.ai.mit.edu!lusky
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re:  Water Injection
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:07:47 GMT
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>          Has anyone any practical experience using water injection to 
>          eliminate detonation in high compression engines running on 
>          unleaded pump gasoline?  Is it effective enough to allow the use 
>          of 12.0:1 compression on 93 octane?
>          
>          The engine I am planning is an all-iron chevy 476 (4.350 x 4.000) 
>          with a 9.3:1 ratio.  Should be plenty of power for my 68 Camaro.  
>          But there is nothing like a thumping, high compression Rat engine 
>          (unless it spends most of its time eating pistons).  Advice?  
>          
>          Regards,
>          Eric Webb

    I used an Edelbrock water injection system (I can't remember the product
name) a few years back.  I was using it on a 10.25:1 400" Pontiac.  It could be
adjusted to meter the water based on RPM and vacuum.  I was able to adjust it so
that it would suppress detonation whlie using premium (91 octane or so) and
driving in a spirited manner.  I had two problems:

    1) The jet that squirted water into the carb would clog up periodically, so
I needed to carry a small wire in the car to unplug it (perhaps monthly).

    2) I had to refill the water tank (I think it was 1/2 Gal) every morning in
order to make the 20 mile round trip drive to work.  This became tedious.

    Yes - it worked, but it wasn't a good solution for me.  When I spun a rod
bearing, the hassle of the injection was one more nail in the high-compression
coffin.

    Standard disclaimers - YMMV

    Paul Walker

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Posted by: emory!nosc.mil!ryptyde!pentode!paul (Paul Walker)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 18:32:19 GMT
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-> Hi Dave. How was your holiday?

 Hi, Millam.  I spent most of it building foundry equipment and learning
how to cast aluminum.  A new skill to add to my repertoire.  <grin>
Yes, with a 5 gallon pail, some castable refractory, an ordinary hair
dryer, and some foundry sand (I got mine from Brodix!) you too can cast
your own parts.  It's faaaar out.

-> Yeah I still have the 351BOSS rods, but they are the shortest of the
-> 351 rods. The next longest are the 351W and then the 351Aussie. The
-> aussie rods mike out at 6.090" whereas the american 351C rods are
-> 5.995 or so.

 Uh... 351C rods are 5.75, 351W rods are 5.995, and 351M rods are 6.65.
B&A says the 302-C rods are 6.020.  They're a bit beefier than 351W
rods, but the simplest/cheapest way to 6 inch rods in the 351C is to
simply swap in a set of Windsor rods.


-> Did you see the article in Super Ford about the 358cid based upon a
-> 302 block? It uses the M-6010-A4 302 block, a M-6301-B351 forged
-> steel crank, 5.4" cunningham steel rods and the usual mish-mash of
-> parts.

 Huh.  The usual method is to cut down a 351C crank to 302 bearing size,
at which time you can also offset grind it up to .150 or so.  This means
moving the pins up from 1.6 to 1.35 inches if you keep the 5.090 stock
length rods.  A 1.35 pin height is fairly high - you probably wouldn't
be into the oil ring though.  To raise the pin another .310 with the 5.4
rods would give a 1.04 compression height, and that's 'way up in the
second ring groove.  Ow.  Talk about bleeding edge!

 Unless this was one of those "let's have all our advertisers donate
lots of high dollar parts" motors I think they wasted their money on the
forged crank.  The 351C part is plenty strong (high nodular, not grey
iron).  I'd have used the 5.315 Brazilian 2300 Pinto rods too.  We'd be
talking about a 1.125 pin height.  An ordinary 302 block would probably
be plenty strong too.  Ah, well.  <grin>
                                          

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Solid Lifters?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:35:16 GMT
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Solid lifter cams are great if you like adjusting your valves every
couple of months.  Given recent hydraulic lifter and cam technology,
there should be no reason to go with a solid lifter cam for a street
car.  Use your valve cover gasket money for something more important,
like suspension and brake parts!

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov

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Posted by: Chuck Fry <emory!ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov!chucko>
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Subject: general questions regarding modeling of autos.
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does anybody have a reference or info regarding moment of inertia of wheel/tire
combinations?  since tire diameter changes with speed and load, the model
should take these into account.
dan stanger

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Subject: 351C trivia...
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Throwing in my 2 cents:

First, anyone who can't get a 351C to rev to more than 6,000 rpm has either:
1) weak valve springs - causing valve float.

2) A very mild cam.

3) Any of a host of ignition/timing problems.

4) Windsor heads :)

Even the 2V heads have intake/exhaust ports that should let the engine rev
to 7,000 (it'll probably peak at 5,000 - 5,500, though, in terms of max. H.P.)

"Wimpy" castings - nominal spec. for the cylinder walls is somewhere around
0.1" or more - hardly "sheetmetal".  My Ford references do say that max.
overbore for race applications is 0.020".  Try finding 0.020" oversized
forged pistons, though...

302 revving - better make sure you've got the good rods (3/8" rod bolts,
*not* 5/16ths.)

302 wimp motors?  Drop by a dragstrip some day.  Look at where the 5.0 L
LX's/GT's are running.  I've seen times in the mid to high 12's, with end
of quarter mile speeds of 104+ mph.  These are cars that *aren't* running
nitrous.  One guy that's out at Norwalk (Ohio) regularly runs 12.60's, and
most of the money he's spent went into his slicks!  (Spent a few pennies on
a hot cam, '69 4V Windsor heads, and a 4.11 gear set, but I don't think it
totaled more than $400, though.  He seems to be good at finding deals...)

Where do those 5.0 L HO's come from, anyway.  A lot of them come from the
Cleveland engine plant.  I think the balance come from Windsor.  Don't know
about Mexico, except that the Festiva comes from there...

While I'm posting, does anyone know if there's an aftermarket 351C intake
available that can be set up for sequential port injection?  I'm in the 
process of building a 351C (need a manifold for the 4V heads) and don't
relish the prospect of buying a tunnelram and drilling injector holes in
it, but if that's what I have to do, well, that's what I'll do...


Mike Jamison

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Subject: Buick -->> volkswagen
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:54:52 GMT
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I just saw a meticulous VW Karman Ghia for sale real cheap right down
the road.  This brought some old plans I've always wanted to do.
I like the shape and the way the Ghia drives, having owned several.
I also know that Buick V6 transplants used to be quite popular to
transplant into VW rail buggies.  Suddenly the thoughts of a Buick
GN motor in a Ghia started dancing through my head.  I know where
to get the transaxles that will handle the power.  Now the question.
Does anyone still make adaptors to go from the Buick motor to a 
Veedub transaxle?

John

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Posted by: jgd (John De Armond)
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Subject: Buick -->> volkswagen
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-> [I picked up the VW mag someone else recommended.  Interesting
-> article on KEP.  Pix showed some guy standing there with a

 Yes?  How about posting the address/tel?

[grumble, grumblefritz...  Oh OK.  (Trundles up out of the pit
to get the mag)  .... 

Kennedy Engineered Products
38830 17th st E
Palmdale, CA 93550
805 272 1147

Esslinger Engineering
1432 Potrero
South El Monte, CA 91733 
818 444 4919  (pinto engine adaptors and pinto racing engines.)

JGD]

 BTW, the Automotive Contact List has grown about 50% since I sent you
the last one.  If you want the current one, I'd probably better snail
mail it to you.  (131 Kb now)  Then anyone who wants it can check out
dixie's file requestor.   <grin>

[Please.  I'll post when it is available on the server.  BTW, anyone who
has problems with the server, please let me know.  It is hideously
written software that won't stay up more than a day or two at a time.
I'm going to replace it when I get time.  JGD]

 Are you sure Crown is out of business?

[Numbers I have don't work and there's no forwarding info.  Also I recall
someone at the Z-car show commenting that they are gone.  All I know.  JGD]


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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Christmas administrivia
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The hotrod and z-car lists will be down until Sunday night.  They're 
gonna have a Christmas break :-)

I'd like to take the occasion to wish everyone a very merry Christmas.
This last year has really been fun.

73 all,

John

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