From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: animals in research
Organization: WP Group
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:07:58 GMT


Martin Hulsey writes:
mh> I repeat, HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CREDENTIALS IN NUTRITION, AND AN 
mh> ABYSMAL PUBLICATION RECORD.  

Russell Lawrence writes:
rl> How do you know?  Please tell us how many articles Dr. Barnard has
rl> published, and how you determined the figure.  

Martin Hulsey writes:
mh> [rest of exchange deleted.  To be addressed at a later date.]

Russell Lawrence writes:
rl> Why are you stalling, Martin?   As a "scientist" who understands the
rl> concept of intellectual integrity, I'm sure that you wouldn't have
rl> voiced your opinions unless you had the facts to prove your point.
rl> 
rl> In particular, please tell us how many articles Dr. Barnard has
rl> published, without further delay.  And, of course, be sure to
rl> tell us how you determined this figure.  

From article <mhulsey-171292121313@fatrat.fcs.uga.edu>, by mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey):
mh> Further delay?  Don't be an asshole.  How about coughing up some of 
mh> those references that YOU have been promising for nearly TWO MONTHS!

My alleged shortcomings won't change the fact that you've made some
personal accusations that you apparently couldn't substantiate.

mh> I am not stalling Russell.  Unlike you, my time here is limited.  I 
mh> will no longer attempt to respond to every point you make.  This 
mh> should not matter to you, as you have evaded, and continue to evade, 
mh> many of my questions.  If you have time on your hands, you should 
mh> consider answering some of these unanswered questions, without further 
mh> delay, rather than making false accusations about me.  

Thanks for the spew, Martin.

mh> A year ago, I did a Medline (MESZ, 1966 to present) search on the criterion
mh> "Barnard-N.au. or Barnard-N-D.au."  I found only two full-length
mh> references, which began in 1986:
mh> ...
mh> Medline encompasses over 5,000 medical journals (at last assessment), but
mh> is missing some.  Some of my full-length, peer-reviewed, publications are
mh> not listed there.  I assume that the same is true for Barnard.

You've claimed that you have eight peer-review publications to 
your credit (I believe).  However, I used Medline to look for 
articles written by "Hulsey, MG" and found only three.  If we're 
going to judge Neil Barnard's credibility on the basis of medline 
searches, then it's only reasonable for us to judge Martin 
Hulsey's credibility by the same measure.  Otherwise, we'd be
guilty of hypocrisy, don't you think???  Why did you mislead us 
about the number of your publications and/or the significance of 
medline searches?  

mh> I do not consider my own publication record spectacular, but I am not the
mh> one calling press conferences falsely proclaiming that nutritional
mh> recommendations should be altered.

This is a matter of opinion, don't you think?   

mh> I have had my degree less than one year.  Nonetheless, even I have 
mh> more publications referenced in Medline than Barnard:

Can we determine the quality of your work by the quantity of your 
publications?

Can we determine the quality of your work by pointing to the academic
reputation of the institution that awarded your degrees?

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
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