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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Wake up to reality
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:05:38 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov9.093748.1@woods.ulowell.edu> stancad@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Wake up everybody! This is the real world...there are no UFOs or Big Foot or
>any other screwed up anomaly like those. What is the use of a newsgroup like
>this anyway. Ok, so it has success (judging from the number of people posting),
>but that only shows that there are a lot of crazy people out there.
>
>E.T. (HaHaHa)


The USE of this NEWSGROUP can be found in the TEACHINGS of NOSTRADAMUS
in which he WROTE nearly 500 YEARS AGO:

Ande INNE that TYME, the worlde must bycome indundated with LETTRES
CAPITAL or Dystruction of the Playce they wille calle SOUTHERN
INDYANA wille be IMMINENTE, and Alsoe the SPAMME wille ly downe with
the KRAFTE MARGARINE and INdeed wille Many Thinges come to PASSE.

And SO, ALT.ALIEN.VISITORS was formed to provide the TRUTH about
such things as CRYSTAL POWER and it's link to ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS,
BIGFOOT and his part in the ASSASINATION of BOTH President
ABRAHAM LINCOLN and JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY, AURAS and their
use for FUN, PROFIT, and LATE-NIGHT READING LIGHTS, and these
subjects do not even begin to SCRATCH THE SURFACE of the MYRIAD
topics involved in ALT.ALIEN.VISITORS.

There's the MIB (THE MEN IN BLUE) that COME TO YOUR HOUSE if you
do not pay your TAXES!

There's the MYSTERIES OF NSA'S MAILING ADDRESS-- is it only a
fictional construct of SATAN?

There's the burning question: WHO _*REALLY*_ WON THE 1992
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

And finally...the CRUCIAL issue that ONLY WE can find out...
If ALIENS crash their spaceships as much as WE say they do,
HOW do they EVER AFFORD THE INSURANCE???????????????????????

	Jason
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj)
Subject: Re^2: alien info.wanted
Organization: Organization?!?  You eediot!!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:34:45 GMT

Subject: Re^2 alien info. wanted

>  I think this is the file you are looking for. I found it on a board
>  in London, Ontario called InfoNet.

> ... By David House ...

>GREY  TYPE A:  This is the type most commonly referred to as  the
>greys.  Also known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan  star
>system  (the  Bernard [sic] star) neighboring the  Orion  area. 

Ok, time for a little (Oh my God!) astronomy lesson.  The constellation in
question here is Reticulum.  One way of designating stars is to call the 
stars in a constellation by a Greek letter followed by the Latin genitive 
form of the constellation name.  The brightest star is designated alpha 
the second brightest beta, the third brightest gamma and so on.  For 
example, the fourth brightest star in Orion is called Delta Orionis.  
Similarly, the sixth brightest star in the constellation Reticulum is 
called Zeta Reticuli.

Next issue.  Orion is about 60 degrees north and about 45 degrees west of
Reticulum.  Calling them "neighbors" is analogous to saying Alaska
is a neighbor of Brazil.

Last issue.  I leave it as an exercise for the reader to look up the
constellation that Barnard's Star is in.  Hint:  Look at a list of the
nearest stars.

Is it a ufology requirement that one know nothing of elementary astronomy? 

-- 
		        jcj@tellabs.com
		      Carpe salsa et chips
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Re^2: alien info.wanted
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:41:51 GMT


>Is it a ufology requirement that one know nothing of elementary
astronomy?

Is it an astronomy requirement that one be a pompous ass?

Rod 

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: AURAS
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 06:36:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <68526@cup.portal.com> <68586@cup.portal.com> <68711@cup.portal.com>
  <68757@cup.portal.com> <69002@cup.portal.com>

Dear Aura Watchers: I would like to put forth a question to the grand
and glorious Kathie. Can you see the aura of a person when you see them
on TV?
John Winston
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Belgium UFO
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:28:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost) writes:
	I fowarded an article describing very objectivly the Belgium
	UFO to sci.military and asked if they had any aircraft that
	matched that description.  Well, it seems that it is moderated
	from within the Pentagon.  The article was not allowed on.  It
	seems that the government does have something to hide here.
	Speculations?

... actually, the moderator is at NCR at Dayton Ohio
(military@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com, specifically.)  They do get postings
from "mil" sites, but it is not a military group, per se-- more a 
military-hobbyist group (somebody posts DoD press releases there
sometimes, but mostly its military history stuff.)  My guess is that
the moderator didn't want to get a UFO discussion going in his
nesgroup.  (I'm moderator of soc.politics, and I occasionally 
reject articles due to their non-relevancy, so I can understand
the moderator's reasoning.)

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.butt-keg.marmalade,alt.smouldering.dog.zone,soc.college
From: mcspinks@unix.amherst.edu (Snarfblat)
Subject: Re: Tipper
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:25:14 GMT

Hurkamur Platterflutterski (ivey@nmt.edu) wrote:
: I need to know Tipper Gore's real first name.  I need to know by
: Wednesday!  I challenge you to answer this query, don't disappoint me!
: 
: -tom


Tippernicus
Xref: sparky alt.butt-keg.marmalade:10 alt.smouldering.dog.zone:88 soc.college:4824
From: jsl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (J. Shawn Landres)
Newsgroups: alt.butt-keg.marmalade,alt.smouldering.dog.zone,soc.college
Subject: Re: Tipper
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: jsl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (J. Shawn Landres)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

Mary Elizabeth. (Sorry to throw in the right answer, but . . . )
Xref: sparky alt.butt-keg.marmalade:13 alt.smouldering.dog.zone:93 soc.college:4834
From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.butt-keg.marmalade,alt.smouldering.dog.zone,soc.college
Subject: Re: Tipper
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:09:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.063952.18759@nmt.edu> ivey@nmt.edu (Hurkamur Platterflutterski) writes:
}I need to know Tipper Gore's real first name.  I need to know by
}Wednesday!  I challenge you to answer this query, don't disappoint me!

Tiberius.



Lance "Tipper" Franklin 

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From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Newsgroups: alt.butt-keg.marmalade,alt.smouldering.dog.zone,soc.college
Subject: Re: Tipper
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:18:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Research Lab

In article <1992Nov10.063952.18759@nmt.edu> ivey@nmt.edu (Hurkamur Platterflutterski) writes:

   I need to know Tipper Gore's real first name.  I need to know by
   Wednesday!  I challenge you to answer this query, don't disappoint me!

   -tom

Helgamunde Dagmarstrische Ludmilla Gore

Now do you know why she goes as Tipper?

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From: cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.butt-keg.marmalade,alt.smouldering.dog.zone,soc.college
Subject: Re: Tipper
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:05:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Montreal

How about....

Tip-o-rama!
Tip-meister!
Tip-dudette
The Tip-ster!
Tip-O-Matic! Here for your Tipping pleasure!

Michael Bertrand,
 __________    _      _   ________         _      _    _      _
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    |         |    /     |   _____        |    /        \   /   
    |         |          |                |              >      
    |         |    \     |   _____        |    \        /   \   
    |         |     \    |                |     \      /     \ _ 
  
cholette@jsp.umontreal.ca
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: studying in California
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:30:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1dqpppINN4m5@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> renner@cs.tu-berlin.de (Peter Renner) writes:
>I am a german student who is absolutely crazy of California.
>I would love to study somewhere there, but as everybody knows
>studying in the US unfortunately is very expensive. 
>
>So my question is: Is there a way for me to study at an american
>university without paying several 1000 $ (e.g. working at the
>university)? Which university in california should I choose?

A lot of American universities have exchange programs with
universities in other countries.  Other than seeing if your university
has such an exchange program (they're called "reciprocity programs"
because the universities trade students; you can come free to
California, paying only your university cost, if we can come free to
yours), there really isn't much of a way to come to California at low
cost.

 =Aaron=
-- 
Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:43:39 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov6.111453.18851@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>>I'm glad someone noticed that I was attacking the right-wingers not
>>siding with them! TWLANE has got me wrong! Please be sure who you
>>are attacking and for what!
>
>Why is it necessary to attack anybody?
>
> =Aaron=

Well, you can sit back and let the nazi's take over and passively
allow them to murder everyone that they don't like, or you can
take the initiative and take them on before they get too powerful.

Chris
From: st1oj@elroy.uh.edu (Edgar, Michael T.)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: LA<-->San Diego Too far too commute?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:24:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bx8KFx.IEy.1@cs.cmu.edu>, maf+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Franzini) writes...
> 
>I am moving to Los Angeles, and there are several companies
>in San Diego which work in areas of interest to me.  Would it
>be unreasonable to commute between the two cities? 

In answer to your question San diego is a bit far for a daily communte.
I used to work in L.A.during the week and retreat to San Diego for
the weekends. I found the Drive at five on fridays well worth the weekend in
San Diego. Furthermore KLOS has great music durring the trip and you can not
beat the drive on I-5 from San Juan Capistrano. Just the bottle neck at 
Mission Vejeo (I never said i could spell) is a bother.

> Do many people do it?
	Yes many people do drive to and from San diego and even more
drive east into riverside county. 

>Can it be done easily by train?
	The Train takes forever and costs more then driving each day. But
you can sleep on the train. But I have never saved time by taking Amtrack
to L.A. Then you do not have your car so you had better work in the Central
Business district. 


>About how long is the commute?
	The drive I used to make from down town Los angeles to San Marcos was
1.5 hours on average leaving at 6:08 PM Friay night. The trip was exactaly 100
miles and the 110 was under construction.


	Best of Luck in the job search in So Cal.I am trying to get back there
my self.


Mikey, the Micro
Sasakawa Institute for Space Architecture
University of Houston


>
From: ecpzp@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr V A Noronha)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 13 Nov 1992 11:39:25 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov12.100452.17495@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:>
>Oh so how long do you wait to react?  Once they've taken power
>and start gassing people?  By then it's too late!  If there
>was any lesson to learn from WWII it's that sitting  around
>and ignoring facists and being passive is the wrong approach.

I think you must have a brain clot.  No-one has suggested gassing the homosexuals or other suchlike 
groups.  The fact is, we don't like the liberal groups and we would not do them any favors, but never has
there been any threat of violence from this side of the argument.  If you ask me who the "jack-boot" types
are, it's people like you who cannot wait to "react".  I am quite happy to engage in an exchange of opinions.
It seems however that you and your crowd are so intolerant of contrary viewpoints that first you compare us
to the nazis, whom we too abhor, and then you argue that we should be stamped out.  If you want to know what the
lesson of WWII was, why don't you look at the issue of intolerance?  

(And by the way, make sure Santa Claus brings you a dictionary next month, since you have now twice mis-spelt 
the word "fascist".)
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: LOSERS!!! FAGGOTS!!! WHORES!!!
Keywords: You LOSE!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:19:43 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software

>55% of the nation voted against Clinton, so his 'mandate' is
>hardly impressive.

	Well, that is pretty bogus.    Considering how much Clinton's lead
dropped when Perot got back in the race it is pretty clear that most 
Perot supporters would have voted for Clinton if they had no other 
choice.   But, even if that is not true since 17% voted for Perot it is
impossible to tell who they were voting against.    The evidence suggests
they were voting against Bush.    Certainly all the Perot supporters I 
have met expressed this to me, and the polls are external evidence.

	I would say that 43% voted for Clinton and 60% voted against Bush.

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:20:46 GMT

check out a Thomas Guide (there should be one of the Bay Area)
these guides are great.
From: maf+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Franzini)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: LA<-->San Diego Too far too commute?
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:16:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


I am moving to Los Angeles, and there are several companies
in San Diego which work in areas of interest to me.  Would it
be unreasonable to commute between the two cities?  Do many
people do it?  Can it be done easily by train?  By car?
About how long is the commute?

Answers to any of these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
--Mike
franzini@cs.cmu.edu
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 8 Nov 1992 20:33:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Nov6.111453.18851@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>I'm glad someone noticed that I was attacking the right-wingers not
>siding with them! TWLANE has got me wrong! Please be sure who you
>are attacking and for what!

Why is it necessary to attack anybody?

 =Aaron=
-- 
Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:02:17 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software

mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:

>Oh so how long do you wait to react?  Once they've taken power
>and start gassing people?  By then it's too late!  If there
>was any lesson to learn from WWII it's that sitting  around
>and ignoring facists and being passive is the wrong approach.

	OK Chris, I won't ignore you.    Now, don't get me wrong, I never
voted for a Republican in my life and I am not defending Bush.   However,
I think that calling him a facist is ignorant.   

	There are many quite liberal people who think that "political
correctness" has some of the elements of facisim.   The reason is that
it seems to substitute slogans for analysis and prohibits different kinds
of thinking.   I prefer the approach taken by "The Economist."    Just 
before the election they ran two incredibly persuasive articles side by
side, one for Bush and the other for Clinton.    

	It is not 100% clear that one course of action is better or worse 
in the long run.   At least not at the time.   Later with the hindsight
of history we may be able to tell.

	To keep up on world affairs I read: The Economist, The Wall Street
Journal, The Christian Science Monitor, Mother Jones, Foreign Affairs,
Scientific American, The SF Chronicle, and several other newspapers and
magazines.    

	For example, there is no question that communism collapsed.    The
question to me is, "how much did Reagan's policies have to do with it?"  
"Foreign Affairs" the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations (often
accussed by the right as being a communist run world government in and of
itself) has had articles saying that they did, including the Iraq war.  
The Russians themselves also feel that Star Wars was instrumental in 
bringing the arms race to an end.    

	Now, nobody died and made me the all-seeing god, and I know there are
other perspectives and other supposed reasons.  But, reading in a left-wing 
journal persuasive arguments as to why Star Wars and the Iraq war ended the
cold war opens my mind to possibilities.  

	Facism was a popular movement.    It was not so much a top-down 
approach, but rather bottom up.   People were in a recession there was
a bad economy, they blamed their problems on other races and nationalities.

	By blaming so much on Reagan and Bush, you sound like a facist your-
self.  Facism was a simple solution that reduced complex issues to simple
slogans.   History proved that the facist's alleged solutions to their
problems did not work.   Likewise, simply deciding that everything Bush
and Reagan did was terrible and wrong and not bothering to learn is unlikely
to work in the long run.

	I am more afraid that YOU will want to round people up and gas them
that that Bush or Reagan will.    You seem to have your mind made up and 
do not want to cloud it with information.

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:21:55 GMT

|> May I ask where I can find a city map of Berkeley?
|> Better yet, if something like it is included with a map of
|> San Francisco -or- the East Bay Area, help along those lines would
|> be of great help as well.

Try AAA (if you're a member).  Their maps are good and free to members.
Some of the freeways in the Berkeley and SF areas were "rearranged"
after the earthquake a few years ago.  The AAA maps have been updated,
but others may not have been.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:03:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Nov10.114339.20714@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>In the referenced article, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:
>>
>>Why is it necessary to attack anybody?
>>
>> =Aaron=
>
>Well, you can sit back and let the nazi's take over and passively
>allow them to murder everyone that they don't like, or you can
>take the initiative and take them on before they get too powerful.

I think comparing Usenet flame wars to Nazi atrocities is both
overblown and insulting to those whose lives were destroyed.

 =Aaron=
-- 
Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"