From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Imbecile Annons'  Questions. ( Was Re: Moslems@)
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:27:32 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Dec29.064657.23519@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.204709.25861@fuug.fi> an3923@anon.penet.fi writes:

>
>Now let us talk about india. The same is also there. Before the 
>advent of islam  india was divided into many sects like brahmin,
>khutri, shoodar etc. The islamic teaching of equality was not
>liked by the feudals and the same dramma happened as in Bosnia 
>The hindus were badly hammered by the muslim attacks from 
>Afghanistan and iraq. Sultan Mahmood Gaznavi attacked india
>17 times Why ? Simply because Hindu Pandits were killing innocent
>women on the name  of sati. The life of Hareejan or shoodar was 
>even worse than an animal. For the beneficial of the mankind  (like
>usa is doing in Somalia , like india did in srilanka, bangladesh) it 
>was necessary for the muslims to intervene india and save the humanity
>there. And offcourse they did. God will give them the award.

Where were you brainwashed dude?  Mahmood Gazni attacked India 17 times,
he destroyed a lot of temples and stole a lot of gold, how does that
stop sati.  Harijan is a term created by Mahtma Gandhi which means children
of God.  Yes Hinduism had some bad characterstics at that time like sati
and casteism, but it is Hindus who abolished those practises.  No Muslim
ruler can be given credit for that.  The Muslim rulers bought their own
caste systems to India, the people who were given high posts were Muslims
from Afghanistan, second preference was given to Muslims with origins in
Afghanistan, third to Muslims in India, fourth to the recently converted
Muslims and Hindus came in last.  Even after independence Muslims were 
asking the British to give them back India to rule as their ancestors
had ruled India for centuries, that is the caste system, getting a job
on the qualification of one's ancestors.  We in India due to the mistreatment
to the backward class have given them certian advantages today.  They have
reservations in every field and we have had chief ministers of almost every
state from the backward classes.  Our vice president is an Harijan.  In
Pakistan this caste system still persists, that is why you never see Mohajirs,
Sindhis, Shiites, Ahmadis, Parsis, Hindus and Christians having important
positions.  Even now you see Pakistanis bragging that they have Irani/Pathan
lineage and to maintain it they are willing to take a grave risk of marrying
within their families.  If all Muslims are equal why this obsession?
 
>
>Aulloo annon, can you think logically . I guess no way. Asshole why 
>dont you compare the population of pakistan and india. The poplution 
>of pakistan is 120 millioin where as the population of india is 850
>million. Naturally muslims are in good number in india.(after partition) 
>Do muslims have freedom . Oh really . You must be kidding.Even 
>poor siks donot have freedom. Even their temples have been demolished
>by the tolerant hindus.

Pakistan's area is less than MP and population is less than UP, we agree
that Pakistan is a very small country(the size of one Indian state) so
what is your point here?  Muslims have sepearate laws in India.  What else
should we do for Muslims in India, O wise one?  Should we declare India an
Islamic state?  Sikhs form the highest proportion of the Indian army (6%),
from any other group in India.  They are more ready than others to give their
life for India.  The number 2 man in India at this time is Manmohan Singh,
he is a Sikh who is the finance minister of India.  If Sikhs were not given
the freedom they desired, do you think they would be so patriotic to India?
Or have you forgotten their patrotism?  In 1971 the Pakistani army agreed
to obey every command of Lt General Aurara, a Sikh who brought glory to
India and we all are proud of him.

>How is it possible that hindu was suppressed in the mughal rule. Instead
>of reading this garbage book you should use your intelligence . Buddy
>let us take the example of No-RAtan of Akbar. Raja tandomul singh, 
>beerbal, tansain were not muslims.

Every one agrees that Akbar was a great Indian ruler.  We in India are
taking his policy a step further, a person can hold any post in India
irrespective of his religion.
>
>Even a couple of wives of akbar were hindu.
>REmember the war of independence in 1857 when hindu and muslim unite
>together under mughal rule. Why hindu joined hand with muslim at that 
>time ?
>
I have already stated in an earlier post, that if you judge the harmony
of a state by inter religion marriages, then we in India have more such
marriages than those at the Mughal era.  I don't know what what your 1857 
question signifies?  Let me ask you this, why in the more succesful freedom 
struggle didn't Hindus and Muslims unite under the Mughal rule, but united under
the mutual dislike for the British and belief in freedom?

>the order of our beloved prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) to respect the
>beliefs of the minorities. Nonsense buddy give me any example of any 
>muslim country right now whre minorities are in big trouble ? Forget 
>about the history . Certainly you cannot . Yes if the temples of hindus in
>pakistan were demolished , it was just the reaction of babri mosque. And
>even our prime minister has orderd to rebuild the temple. Any thing which
>the muslims considered against the benefits of the mankind  (when they were
>in power ) they tend to stop it. (in  fact i have quoted the example of
>usa doing right now).

The country in which minorities are in big trouble are Pakistan, Iran and Iraq.
You say the temples were destroyed as a reaction to the Babri Masjid incident,
how come you guys do not copy our good points?  The chief minister of UP and
our opposition leader said that they tried to prevent the destruction of the
mosque, they were arrested, their party was removed from power in every state,
and their grass root organizations banned.  Remember they were ruling states,
which population and area wise are bigger than Pakistan.  Some chief minister
of yours led a march against temples in Pakistan, all he got was praise
from his fellow Pakistanis.

>What is wrong in marry 11 or 12 years old? In fact islam says 
>and is the first religion who has made it a law to ask a 
>woman if she wants to marry the person. If she is not agreed
>then no power on earth can marry her. Got that moron. 
>It is better to marry four times than to have illegal sex or 
>things like that. Instead in islam you cannot marry until or 
>unless your wife permits you to do that. Got that illeterate
>pig. By the way how many women your hindu pandits have in 
>Asharam where your indira brought up. How many women your 
>gandhi had in his asharam ?

This is really amusing, I have a 11 year old cousin sister every time I
visit her she tells me she wants to something else. One day she wants to
be a pilot for the IAF and the next visit she wants be a model. I am sure
this is typical behaviour, only the most irresponsible parents
will let them take important decisions like marriage,at that age.
And what does women in Gandhi's ashram have to do with anything?


>You talk about the islamic criminals . Let us talk about the
>hindu criminals. The God will not forgive you of being the 
>killer of innocent women (sati). The God will not forgive
>you of treating the man , equal to you , like an animal 
>just because you are in power. The God will not forgive you
>to kill the minorities and demolishing their worship places
>(including siks and muslims).

But I thought Allah was all merciful?
 
>In order to stop barbaric crimes    committed by hindu pandits
>it was necessary to attack india (as i have said above).
>Offcourse  , when child wants to catch the fire his /her
>parents hold him  simply because he doesnot know what is fire.
>Got that moron.

Just one question, is a 11 year old girl a child?     


>
>If india doesnot train terrorists , then who is supplying weapons to 
>jay sindh  your father ? What is RAW ? 
>If india is killing muslims in Kashmr (90% muslim) then how come 
>india doesnot shoot at Sia...
>Who attacked pakistan in 1948 your father ?
>who attacked pakistan in 1965 your father ?
>who attacked pakisatan in 1971 your father ?
>who sent army To bangladesh your father ?
>Why you have All india radio service. What does it mean ?
>Greater india. Forget about it and take care of your janta 
>she is crying for bread ?

Your knowledge of history is really poor, a woman sent the Indian army in
Bangladesh, her name was Indira Gandhi.  All India radio service means
radio service for all of India.  After the green revolution, we have produced
enough food to feed our entire population.  Food is given at extremely low
prices to the poor in India, that is known as rationing.  Our internal civil
structure is very strong, when jobs are scarce due to drought etc, artificial
jobs are created for the population.  That is the reason we have a lot
of Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Nepalis, Afghanistanis and Iranis migrating to
India.

>I guess you have little bug in your mind.  First india enjoyed 
>a   lot of help and assistance from russia which was dreaming 
>that time to weak pakistan and then eat afghanistan and pakistan 
>together. You are dumb headed people. Without help of russia or
>usa you cannot fix anything.(janta also knows about agni:-))))  
>As far as PAkistan is concerned  we are developing weapons with the 
>help of china and offcourse we have the right to do that . 
>No power on earth can stop pakistan to develop What is called
>" ISLAMIC BOMB".

How do you know what India was dreaming?  India refused to get involved
in Afghanistan, even though Russia insisted.  We have never towed to any
super power's line.  Remember we went to both the LA olympics and the Moscow
olympics.  We did not send our troops to Iraq.  The problem with Pakistan
is that it expects others to solve its problems, wake up, for the US
you will always be the fanatic Islamic state and for the Islamic states,
you will always be a country with the Hindu culture.  You think China will
help you build the Islamic bomb, that is a joke, they are having problems
in their Muslim majority provinces.  India does not care if you build the
Islamic bomb or not, Israel wanted to bomb the Pakistani nuclear site,
India did not give them permission to refuel in India on the way to Pakistan.
Dude we are not paranoid, we have exploded the nuclear bomb 20 years ago, and
we have missile technology which can deploy the bomb almost anywhere in Asia.

>
>But Israel did attack Iraq and destroyed its nuclear capability.
>As far as attack on kuwait is concerned , every body knows that
>saddam is a communist and even in afghan war and pakistan war 
>with india he has supported non-believers. 

Saddam a comunist?  What is wrong with you dude?

>
>It is indeed our bad luck that in rich islamic countries we  have rulers 
>who are not true representatives of islam. who donot care about muslims.

The anger Pakistan showed on the destroying of a Mosque, where you killed
children and women.  The anger you showed on Salman Rusdhie's book, Pakistan
even made a film called Gorillas, in which Salman Rushdie is killed by
some brave Pakistanis.  How come you do not show such anger against such
Islamic rulers, why not make a film of Pakistanis liberating such lands,
if nothing else?  After all if a Muslim by his actions is destroying Islam
by his actions, then he is a traitor.  You know in a war, enemy soldiers
may be returned alive but a traitor is always shot.  A responsible human
being will not go around burning things, if some one else commits a crime,
he will let the state decide the punishment.  But if someone from his family
commits a crime, even if the state forgives the criminal, he will punish him
severely. Therefore before fighting a Jihad against everyone else, fight a 
Jihad against these Islamic state. 
>
>I accept your statement as a true fact. 
>Now instead of planning to attack pakistan why dont you benevolent hindu 
>guys let janta out of abject poverty first ? Increase the number of 
>athelitics in olympic man.

For your information in the junior asian track meet India came second to China,
we had larger overall medal tally, but we were one gold medal short.  Pakistan
did not win a single medal.
>
>
Manoj
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