HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you want peace work for justice)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:29:26 GMT

In article <annius.718390197@freyr> annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
>wuytswin@athena.research.ptt.nl (Wuijtswinkel R. van) writes:
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I've got a special question for everyone who wants to respond. It may look a
>>bit strange, but a friend of mine wants to write an article about the
>>following:
>
>>    The femal bosom (breast).
>
>A very good friend :-) :-) [wicked willie?]
>
>>    - What is so fascinating about it?
>>    - What can you say about the sexological aspects?
>>    - What can you say about the sociological aspects?
>>    - What can you say about the anthropological aspects?
>
>You tell us :)
>
>>Please give you view about this. It should be non-medical!
>>Give you own thoughts, opinions or other reactions to the e-mail address below:
>
>>If somebody already published about this subject, please let me know.
>
>>You may also FAX to the following number: +31 40 53 51 85.
>
>OK girls. Put your breasts on the scanner and FAX them to PTT Research. Will you
>bring me a copy, Ronald?
>
>>Greetings Ronald.
>
>By the way, why do you consider this to be `Dutch Culture?' I think the
>misunderstandings about the Dutch and sex are bad enough as they are.
>
>-- 
>Annius Victor Groenink      Universiteit Utrecht      PTT Research Leidschendam
>Mathematics/Comp. Sc.        avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       +31 70 3325445 (weekdays)
>Atari ST/Music          A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl  +31 70 3464732 (evenings)
>_____________My opinions are my opinions____________  +31 5700 29396 (weekends)

I see a lot of sexism on USENET, such as the post above. I am not
in favor of sexism, racism, etc. and I also do not the like the
condescending (when not demeaning) way which sexist men refer to women,
an exact paralel of the way racist whites address people of color.
I think this needs to improve.

Vera B.
From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Distance Education?
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:18:56 GMT
Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK


In article <1992Oct05.135154.23129@rchland.ibm.com>
bechdol@vnet.ibm.com asked that the courses not have specific
deadlines.


In article <-1367559262snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>
gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) pointed out that this was
impossible, since the tutors have other things to do as well.


I strongly agree with Gil.  My S.O. is a teacher, so I know how
arduous and onerous assignment marking is.  All kudos to anyone who
volunteers to teach me anything.

Although the Net tends to be very anti-money-making, perhaps there is
a case for tutors to charge a fee for tuition (50 pounds sterling per
year feels about right, say $75).  This would ensure that the students
have some level of commitment to the course beyond random curiosity,
and it would also provide the tutors with renumeration for their
efforts (and well deserved, I say).

Of course, the course materials should be posted over the net and be
freeware.  The fee is for the service of marking and commenting on
assignments.  Not even the FSF would argue with that.

Paul.

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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: mrs@athena.research.ptt.nl  (Marieke Schuijt)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Originator: mrs@athena.research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:29:22 GMT

muts@fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:47:52 GMT, erijken@fwi.uva.nl (Esther Rijken ) said:

>  ER> Wat moeten die lui met info over de borsten van vrouwen? Beetje
>  ER> gefrustreerd misschien? Lekker kicken om vieze dingetjes op het net te
>  ER> posten? 

>Reacties van Marieke en Esther zijn wel lichtelijk overdreven; hoewel
>ik vraagtekens zet bij de originele post (die dus om info vroeg) is
>Annius' reactie toch niet zo 'insulting'? Ik dacht dat borsten
>tegenwoordig in Nederland een redelijk normaal verschijnsel waren (ga
>'s zomers maar eens naar het strand). Zou je ook zo reageren als het
>over 'handen op de scanner' ging? 

Of mijn reacties overdreven zijn maak ik toch mooi zelf wel uit. Maar
die reactie van Annius was volgens mij wel beledigend en heeft hij er
achteraf spijt van gekregen en probeert nu terug te krabbelen. Van
Ronald had ik niet anders verwacht maar dat van Annius valt me toch diep
tegen.

>ps. ik zou me ook niet beledigd voelen als het geheel over ballen was
>gegaan.

Nee ik ook niet, maar nu voel ik mij wel beledigd.

	Groetjes van Marieke
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: info needed on potlatch and the northwester pacific tribe
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 07:09:59 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct12.014129.17058@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mitd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu writes:

 > hi I am looking for information leading to the tradition of "potlatch" and
 > the northwestern tribes of the pacific.  if anyone has a paper on it
 > or knows if I can find a paper on this subject on the net can you please
 > let me know. or if you know anything about can you give me a brief summary
 > on the subject. 

Any fresher bibliography can help you. You might most fruitfully start
your search for *BOAS, Franz*, and then follow the past three generations
of American Anthropology . . .

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: bechdol@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Bechdol)
Subject: What if "two" ...
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:50:50 GMT
Reply-To: bechdol@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Oct13.150459.20521@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
|> 
|> [...] What if our symbol "two" stood for this many objects: x x x
|> and our symbol "one" stood for this many objects: x
|> 


Then I would count: one, three, two, four, five, etc. ...The algebra doesn't
change just because the symbols do.  Nit-nit, yea, I know, but I couldn't
resist. ;-)

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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you want peace work for justice)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:11:57 GMT

In article <5410@krafla.rhi.hi.is> jond@rhi.hi.is (Jon Danielsson) writes:
>In <1992Oct07.170853.15161@rchland.ibm.com> bechdol@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Bechdol) writes:
>
>>Sometimes we forget that when we talk on USENET, we are talking to the whole
>>world, and so the audience is quite diverse... we should, perhaps, be more aware
>>of that.
>
>>I recommend a publication from the University of Wisconsin Madison titled "A
>>Guide to Bias-Free Communications: A Reference for Preparing Official University
>>Publications"... it discusses phraseology in Gender, Age, Race/Ethnicity,
>>Disabilities, and Sexual Orientation.  For more information, please call the
>>Office of University Publications, 1-608-262-0948.
>
>That's right, bring in the thought police!
>
>jondan
>-- 
I had a feeling when reading posts like these that the year was more
1984 then 1992. 

Education is now police, war is peace and sexism is sexuality...
and also making sexist jokes does not reinforce sexism but
critiques it...

I would hope someday we will see less double-speak and more sense...

Vera B.


Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
From: jeroenp@rulfc1.LeidenUniv.nl (Jeroen W. Pluimers)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: Dept. FMC, Gorlaeus Labs, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.184237.15858@fwi.uva.nl> erijken@fwi.uva.nl (Esther Rijken ) writes:
[... over FAXen van borsten ...]
>
>Marieke, ik ben het helemaal met je eens. Wat een walgelijke vertoning
>om dit soort dingen te vragen. Zullen wij twee ook eens een
>'onderzoekje' houden naar mannelijke geslachtsorganen? En dan zeggen dat
>het 'voor een vriend van ons' is. Ja ja, het is ongelooflijk wat sommige
>mensen zich denken te kunnen veroorloven.

Sinds wanner heb jij een FAX dan?   ;-)

>Je bent wel gezegend met collega's als Ronald en Mike, Marieke....

Marieke vindt het vast *heerlijk* ....

(au nee, nee, niet kietelen, daar kan ik niet tegen ;-)





NB: Nee, ik ben het ook niet eens met dat borstonderzoek. Daar hebben
    we toch gezondheidscentra voor?
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From: scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: 'Women's Studies' & 'Matriarchy'
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:58:41 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Oct16.065824.26577@midway.uchicago.edu> coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu
(charles orville onstott) writes: 
>In article <Bw70pG.D0q@nic.umass.edu> s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you
>want peace work for justice) writes: 
>>In article <1992Oct13.004215.21148@midway.uchicago.edu>
>>coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu writes: 
>>
>>> [... deleted ...]
>>
>>Not really, because in patriarchy, a sexist anthropology that
>>either excludes the relevance of women and/or a critique of its
>>patriarchal/sexist frame of reference in not called anything other
>>than "anthropology". Have you ever heard of a course called
>>"Sexist Anthropology 101"?

> [ ... ]

>>This is the point I am making - 'women's' studies - altho the name
>>says 'women' - analyses, studies and focuses not only on women, but
>>everything 
>>else - and for the purpose of the benefit of all of society (which
>>certainly includes women).

>  Should we, though, really accept this as 'women's' studies, because
>it would seem to me to be a misnomer.  If we, in fact, investigate
>men from the field of "women's studies" aren't we studying
>men from a matriarchal viewpoint?  ...

_I_ don't think so.  A woman's perspective within a patriarchal framework
would still be a patriarchal perspective.  'Matriarchal' is a pretty strong
term -- I've never heard anyone describe for me (convincingly) a
"matriarchal" society (though I've been told that people have described
them).  (There have been threads on the existence or non of matriarchies
here in the past, but I don't recall anyone ever coming up with a good
documentable example.  From what I know of Gimbutas's _archaeological_
conjectures -- I haven't read her -- they aren't much more convincing than
Lewis Henry Morgan's assertion that modern patriarchy must have evolved from
past matriarchy.)

>>
>>Vera B.

>BCnya,
>  Charles O. Onstott, III

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>Graduate Student in Religion and Human Sciences
>The University of Chicago Divinity School

>"Les dieux existent : c'est le diable."
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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: Bayaka Pygmies / Sangha-Sangha Group - Info. Needed
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: sci.anthropology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:10:46 GMT



I'm researching an article on the Bayaka Pygmies of the
Sangha-Sangha language group.  I'm interested in articles
and books about the Bayaka.  Also photo's of their artwork
and face paintings would be very helpful.
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Sexism vs. Racism (was Re: Female breast (bosom) expe
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:10:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <-1367031216snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
(Gil Hardwick) writes:
->
->In article <1b4pjgINN4cr@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu
writes:
->
-> > My first post on the subject ended with "Anyone know better?". This was
-> > meant as a sincere request for comparisons between racism and sexism (as
-> > I more detailed above) in regards to cultural and/or biological aspects.
-> > I was not arguing a position or belief per se, but merely offering it up
-> > for critical and illuminating discussion.  So far, there's been a lot of
-> > heat, and little light, and I am interested in knowing more.
->
->It would be extremely helpful if people posting to this group gave their
->name, and added a .sig advising us where they are and what they do. I
->personally have no interest in responding to some binary code emerging
->from a computer somewhere in the Cybervoid, and professionally it
->becomes impossible to reply to queries lacking adequate reference to
->reality.
->
->Please understand that everything in Anthropology is wholly context
->dependent, as is everything in Science in fact. Removing an artifact,
->event or phemonenon from its context immediately destroys probably 90%
->of the information about it. If you insist on doing that please do not
->then complain that we are unable to tell you anything substantial or
->"illuminating" in response to your enquiries.
->
->Who are you, and what do you want to discuss about the phemonena you
->refer to as "Racism" and "Sexism" in particular? They both represent
->extremely complex and heated political issues, and you need to be
->specific that we may as anthropologists assist with your concerns.
->
->Also, since this is a free service some appreciation and respect for
->the many years of study and application at our end now contributing to
->your edification would certainly bring less heat, and perhaps allow a
->little light to get through occasionally.

I was asking out of simple, sincere lay curiosity?
From: kyee@caesar.mit.edu (Kenneth Yee)
Subject: categories -- Repost
Reply-To: kyee@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:21:18 GMT

I thought I'd repost this... It was first posted a week or so after this  
newsgroup was created.  Perhaps we should add a category of [METH] to  
discuss methodology?
                                ---Ken
                                   kyee@mtl.mit.edu



From: theresa@cmatter.indiana.edu (Theresa A. Vaughan)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: GEN: Can ``bad science'' be ``good anthropology?''
Date: 29 May 92 16:55:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992May29.165558.6420
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University
Originator: theresa@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu


   Well, less then a week, and already this newsgroup threatens
to degenerate into a science/cultural study debate and pc shouting match.
   May I suggest that anthropology, being the study of human
beings in the broadest sense, may encompass many many different
questions AND METHODOLOGIES. That doesn't mean it should have
no standards, but rather that those methodologies most appropriate
to more bioanthro investigations may not be as appropriate 
to someone  concentrating on, say, symbolic anthropology. IMHO,
there is room in anthropology for both, provided we all treat
each other with a bit of respect,  without hurling phrases like
``that's not science!'', or ``go find sci.biology!'' at each 
other. 
   Perhaps it would be appropriate to preface each subject line
with one of the following headers, according to the traditions
American subdivisions of the discipline:
SOC: for social/cultural
BIO: for bio or physical anthro
LING: for linguistic anthro
ARCH: for archeology
and perhaps
GEN: for matters of general concern.

   THis may avoid some problems. If there are cultural types
out there who can't bear to hear about bioanthro concerns,
then all they need do is make the appropriate kill file.
Ditto for bio types who may find cultural types insufferable
because they don't do ``good science''. Those who are feeling
more tolerent and respectful can read'em all. 
   I know that boundries like this can be very artificial,
but IMHO something needs to be done if this newsgroup is going
to be at all productive.
   Any thoughts out there on this suggestion?
                                                     Theresa Vaughan
                                               grad student in anthro and
                                            folklore at Indiana University
                                          (theresa@cmatter.physics.indiana 
edu)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Demarcation of Anthropology
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:09:01 GMT

Eric Scoles writes:
	
	
	You are imposing your standard -- which I consider a rather odd
	one, to boot -- on this group.  Anyone who imposes their standard
	on another ought to be prepared for that other to fail to live up
	to it.  Be prepared, Mr.  Hardwick.
	



What he said.



William Smith
Intel, SSD

Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Subject: Re: The Bible In The Context of Its Time
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:07:28 GMT

In article <5955@news.duke.edu> strange@acpub.duke.edu (Michael B. Scher) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.033626.10551@midway.uchicago.edu> coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <5942@news.duke.edu> strange@acpub.duke.edu (Michael B. Scher) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct9.192405.21864@midway.uchicago.edu> coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>[Re: Debate over function of anthropology.]
>>
>>Either I have not made myself clear, or I am in total misunderstanding
>>of one of my own fields of study.  I argue that anthropology
>>studies the interaction of the individual, the participation of
>>the individual. This should not be confused with the individual-type
>>study that the field of psychology would make.  I see that
>>my abbreviated focci of fields did not make this explicit.  But
>>my understanding is this:  interaction of individuals which may
>>or may not involve institutions.
>>
>     Well, while Anthro is concerned occasionally with the individual, it is not
>focussed as a field on the individual.  I found the following on-line 
>description of the U.C. Santa Cruz anthro program (and some ungergrad course
>names) recently.  Perhaps it will give some context.  Apologies to anyone
>at Santa Cruz offended by the theft and/or deletions of irrelevant portions.
>-------------------------clip clip---------------------------------
>
>Anthropology studies human beings from multiple viewpoints--peoples and
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>cultures throughout the world and through eons of geologic time.
>Because it covers a wide range of topics--physical evolution, material
>remains of the past, and customs, communication and thought in
>present-day societies--anthropology is an unusually integrative
>discipline.
>
[Stuff deleted about anthropology as a field of study of human
essence, and sex roles, etc.  Plus a description of archaeology
and physical anthropology.]

>Because anthropology is concerned with understanding human interaction,
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>it is a useful major for anyone planning a career that involves working
>with people, especially those from diverse cultures. 
[Course listings deleted]

  I suspect we have been in agreement in principle--perhaps I wasn't
making myself clear.  Thanks for the recap.

>Mike Scher                      strange@hercules.acpub.duke.edu

BCnya, 
  Charles O. Onstott, III

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The University of Chicago Divinity School

"Les dieux existent : c'est le diable."
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From: mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:44:13 GMT
Reply-To: mlemmerm@oracle.nl (Mick Lemmerman Publisher)
Followup-To: sci.anthropology
Organization: Oracle Europe

!But seriously I think that both of you should be hung from a big tree by
!the balls for 48 hours and hopefully you will then see that it is very
!inapropriate to make fun of women's breasts! 
!	No regards this time, Marieke

Somehow, I think the "punishment" is just a little excessive for the "crime".