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From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: dogs and fire
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.172250.16812@pbs.org>, dnoll@pbs.org writes:
>
>I am in the process of upgrading the smoke detectors in my house.
>This made me wonder what my dogs would do if there was a fire in 
>house.  Obviously, if we were home, we'd be sure to get them out.
>But what if there was a fire while we were not at home?
>
>Anybody know what a dog would do?

I have no idea what my dog or cats would do - & to be honest, it
makes me ill to even think of such a tragedy.

However, there are large stickers you can get (pet stores, feed stores,
RC Steele) that go on windows and doors that say "In Case of Emergency
Save Our Pets" and tells how many pets there are inside - this is to
alert rescue teams. We have ours posted at doors and windows in our house.
We also send a note every year (with our yearly contribution :+) to our
local fire department explaining how many pets we have, what they look
like, and where they'd likely be.
Ugghh - I can't even think about this anymore; I just get too upset :+(


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From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Kerry Blue or Wheaten Terrier
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug17.190541.13604@u.washington.edu> intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:
>After much reading and discussion, my partner and I have decided that we
>would like to have a Kerry Blue Terrier *or* a Soft coated Wheaten
>Terrier.  Leave it to us to pick a breed which is difficult to find. 
>Anyway, if anybody out there knows of a breeder of these lovely animals in
>the Pacific Northwest area, please let me know.
>
>Thanks.

Call Sharron Crenshaw at (206) 244-8270.  Sharron has been 
breeding quality Kerry Blue Terriers for a number of years.
Two years ago there was a Kerry that was the top terrier in    
the country and among the top in all breeds.  I believe that
he had over 40 Best in Shows.  Sharron was the breeder of this
dog.   She is in Seattle.

Sorry I don't know Wheaton breeders in your area but if you 
would like I can refer you to breeders in the San Francisco
Bay area.

I have bred Kerries for 24 years but don't have any breedings
planned for a while.

If you need any more help don't hesitate to contact me.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:57:48 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

tmason@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Mason) writes:

>OK.  I'm disputing.  Cockers are no longer hunting dogs because they fell 
>out of favor as hunting dogs.  Other spaniels (and other dogs) became 
>more popular AS HUNTING DOGS.  If you dispute this, just look at German
>Shepherd Dogs.  Many are not bred for Schutzhund, and these lines don't have
>the edge or prey drive needed for this kind of work.  Has the GSD lost its
>ability in this area?  No.  There are people (mostly in Germany) who breed
>for these characteristics.  The only problem is you need to look into a dogs
>pedigree before choosing it to do a job.  Shouldn't this be done anyway?


Hmmm, interesting you should bring up the GSD.  Not breeding them for
Schutzhund *has* caused major problems with them.  Would you care to
talk about the hip problems in the Shepherd?  How about the
temperament problems?  If we concentrated on working ability, how far
would the good looking, sharp tempered, dysplasic Shepherd get?  Well,
in the environment we have in the US, it will probably sire many
litters, since it looks good to the judges.  If we worried about
working ability, it would never sire a single litter.  It looks to me
like more concentration on function would be desirable in this case.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Pet Store = Puppy Mill!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:18:20 GMT

In <22469@sybase.sybase.com> joe@sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein) writes:

>A pet store "against" puppy mills is like those "responsible
>drinking" ads from Busch.

I don't follow this.  There are pet stores that do not sell pets.
They are voting with their feet, so to speak.  These are the ones that
I see that are against puppy mills.

(Of course, this may be a question of terminology: you might call the
sorts of stores I frequent "pet supply stores.")

<rest deleted, all very true>

--Cindy

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From: kiesler+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sara B. Kiesler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: crates forever?
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:55:01 GMT
Organization: Social and Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Behavioral research done some years ago showed that dogs who had been
raised in cages were perfectly happy in them all the time; some in fact
were stressed by freedom.  Dogs raised out of cages were very stressed, and
even got sick, when caged for periods of time.  This research suggests that
you are not "cruel" to crate your dog regularly, and that inconsistency
may be worse than consistently using the crate or not.

In my own case, I tend to anthropomorphize and therefore to believe that
my dog would be unhappy crated all day.  He is a mastiff and comes and
goes as he likes.  He has a dog door which he can use anytime he wants,
and his own single bed mattress in the bedroom.  He is fine in the house all
day, although often I take him to work.  (Your employer should be ashamed.)
Sara
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,news.answers
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Keywords: showing, AKC, Shiba
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:31:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ics.2A92BDCD.11353
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <16ud6tINNqh3@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren) writes:

>I read the FAQ about showing dogs, but I still have a few
>questions.

>1)   What is a "major"? Apparently you get more points for it.
>     Is it a major win? or a major show?

A "major" is 3, 4 or 5 points.  The number of points at a particular
show is dependent on the number of same-sex-same-breed dogs the dog
competes against.  The number itself is dependent on the popularity of
the breed.  As an example (the numbers are ball-park, but not way
off), a female labrador needs to win best of breed or best of opposite
against at least 95 other female labradors to get a 5-point major.  A
female bloodhound, on the other hand, need only beat 8 other female
bloodhounds.  This is due to the greater number of labradors competing
in show.

>2)   In obedience trials are dogs competing against other breeds?

All AKC-registered and ILP registered dogs go into obedience.  But
note that, except for OTCh, they are not directly competing against
each other.  They are accumulating points, certain point levels will
constitute a "win" (aka a "leg") and arbitrary numbers of dogs may win
at a given obedience trial.

>     Is consideration given for dogs which tend to be harder
>     to train?

No.  You will, however, impress people in the know.  A CD on a
bloodhound, for example...

>3)   Does anyone have information regarding the recent recognition
>     of Shiba's by the AKC? Does this mean that they have their
>     own category in dog shows? If my dog is registered in
>     Japan can it also be registered by the AKC?

They should now have a ring of their own, though they're probably
still in the misc category until things sort themselves out more.  As
for the second question, I don't know, though I should think so.

>My four month old Shiba and I are new to all of this, so any
>information or experiences regarding the showing of dogs (or
>shiba's in general) will be greatly appreciated. Feel free to
>e-mail and I'll try and summarize and maybe add to the FAQ.

Please do!  I'm keeping an eye out for further information, but if you
could summarize what you get in email to me, I'd appreciate it.

--Cindy


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles)
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:28:28 GMT

A hypothetical, yet very possible situation/question to complicate
things even further:

WB goes BOS and picks up more points by beating special bitches.
WD goes BOW.  Does WD pick up the extra points that WB picked up ,
or does only the class points count ?


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: horton@convex.com (Patricia Horton)
Subject: FREE Cocker, Dallas/Ft.Worth
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:16:21 GMT
Distribution: dfw
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I found a Cocker Spaniel wandering our neighborhood about 3 weeks ago,
and have done everything possible to find its owner. We would keep
him, but our Border Collie simply does not get along with him (can we
say jealous?). We have called all the surrounding shelters, Vets and
Animal Hospitals. I have walked him around our neighborhood and all
surrounding developments. I have posted signs. Nothing. No one is looking
for this guy. It does not surprise me, we get a lot of animals dumped
in our area. I have taken others to the shelter, this one was different.

He is a cute little tike, a dark tan. We went and gave him all his shots
and bought him 6 months of heartworm since it is recommended in the
D/FW area. The vet gives him a clean bill of health and figures he is
about 2-3 years old. He still needs to put on some more weight, he
was pretty skinny when we found him. He is not neutered. We named him Rusty.

Rusty is a quick learner, we seem to have him house broken (we have been
using the crate method and he takes to the crate just fine), he learned
NO fast and comes when called to his new name. The little guy is a blast.
He loves to play fetch, and will do it for hours if you will toss the ball.
This dog catches balls like none I have ever owned, and would probably be
great at fly ball, or frisbee. He comes complete with his favorite squeaky
ball.

Please help us give him a home. We simply can't keep him, it would be dog 
number 3. My husband won't have 3 dogs (two was pushing it) and my Border
does not like him. He gets along just fine with my Black Lab. If we can't
find him a home, I know my husband is going to make me take him to the
shelter. Rusty is such a sweet dog I don't know if I can do that.

Pat Horton, horton@convex.com
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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Scaredy cat dog
Date: 18 Aug 1992 17:11:42 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

>In <19382@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:

>>Both CHD and hip displaysia are hereditary and
>>cannot be influenced by environmental factors.

>This seems a bit strong to me.  Yes, they are hereditary diseases,
>nothing changes that.  But the clinical symptoms can be aggravated or
>minimized with environmental factors.  This includes keeping their
>weight down and restraining them from doing things like jumping.  In
>this manner, you have a dog with HD, but that is much more comfortable
>(minimum pain) than it would be if you let it get overweight and jump
>around and put more stress on those dysplastic joints.  So preventing
>a dysplastic dog from going up and down the stairs may, in fact, help
>reduce its pain.  It would, however, not remove the fact that it has
>HD since that is hereditary.

My pup's breeder who has over 30 years experience with Rotts would tend
to put even more emphasis on environment than Cindy expresses.  She
claims that dysplasia is only 60% hereditary, and that bad food, or
too much exercise too early or a variety of other things can cause
dogs that would have ended up with normal hips to be dysplastic.  She
says that the 6 month old who has severe bilateral dysplasia is
undoubtedly the results of bad genes.  The 2 year old with dysplasia,
especially if it is slight or moderate *can* be the victim of
environmental factors.


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Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: dittwil@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Dittmann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:43:00 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

this is getting tiring wading thru this debate, not only that many times you
people are inconsistent with you goals. on the one hand nobody should by from a
pet store so that leaves the breeders then many people that have hunting dogs
hate the petification of the breed does this mean you would not seel a dog to
somebody who is not going to hunt??? is it your desire that people that want a
pet for a companion and nothing more be restricted to the rescue center or
certain breeds. if you hunt with your dog wonderful, if your dog is a champion
tracker and/or conformation great. but to put down people who want a dog for a
pet is little more than snobbish. i have a wonderful elghund not the best
pedigree but due to failed breedings it was the best available locally at the
time. we show him occasionally but not regularly. am i a threat because i don't
hunt moose with him? of course not. i assume when you breed a dog you check
into it carefully whether the other dog will help improve the breed for YOUR
purpose ( if you don't then you shouldn't be breeding). would my dog pass your
scrutiny (probably not ). so who controls where the breed goes  the breeders
do. if that purpose is changing the either change with it or be more careful
who you breed with. but let me put this question to you. if you are breeding
for hunting instincts then what difference does it make what the dog does with
his time as long as the puppies are trained for hunting then the instincts will
be there. mutation doesn't happen that fast. 
remember every person you turn away because they do not agree with you views on
how the dog/breed should live, is one more person that is going to a pet store 

William Dittmann
Dittwil@bbs1984.chi.il.us
Dittwil@elof.iit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Floppy-eared G. Shep Puppy
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:48:35 GMT

The problem with this plan is that once the cartilege (sp?) in the ear
stiffens, you are stuck with whatever you've got.  I'd be REALLY surprised
to hear that taping the ears of a year-old dog would do any good.

It's not like taping their ears is cruel or painful.  Most pups I've
seen with taped ears don't even notice.  I can't see that it's harmful to
tape their ears (as long as you don't make it too tight, or neglect to 
take it all off at least once a week to see what's happening).  If it's not
harmful, and you care if the ears go up, why not do it?
From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: S**t eating dog
Keywords: Stinky! |~{(>
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:10:23 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug22.065246.15519@royko.Chicago.COM> mgm@royko.Chicago.COM (Marty Masters) writes:
>
>The Airedale that owns me likes to nibble goose.poop when she finds it,
>along with eating and rolling in anything just as foul as she can find.
>
>Any way to break her of it?  I'd hate to have to change my lifestyle
>to adopt to hers, but at least I'd be able to tell who my friends are.
>
My standard poodle LOVED goose-poop.  Even with her CDX she was
uncontrollable either chasing the birds or eating their poop.
Now my miniature seeks it out to roll in.  I can't decide which
is worse.  I think the only control is keeping them on the lead.
And carrying breath-sweetening doggie crackers...
>


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From: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: giving heartworm pills
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:01:42 GMT
Reply-To: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Organization: Amoco Production Company

We've been giving our 9 month-old doggies
daily Filaribits, too.  I think that the daily ritual
of giving them their pills with breakfast every
morning prevents me from forgetting.  I think
I'd be much more likely to forget if I'd already
given  them their medicine earlier in the month.
And besides, the kids like their Filaribits so much,
it's like they get a doggy treat every morning!

Tom
From: ajb@scorpio.corp.sgi.com (Amy Bensman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: WANTED:  Golden Retreiver Female Puppy
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:35:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Keywords: 

Hi, everyone,

I am new to SGI (an ex-MIPPER), and just discovered this Newsgroup. It is
nice to see all of the dog lovers out there.

I have 4 dogs myself, 2 Gordon Setters and 2 Saluki's, one of which I
show.

I am sending this message for a friend who wants a Golden Retriever female
puppy. I figured someone out there either has a Golden Retriever and would
know of a reputable breeder. My friend wants a pet, not a show dog.

Any help you can give on this is appreciated.  She is not the most
knowledgeable dog person, but she would want puppies that come from parents
that have been OFA'd.

She lives in Fremont, works in Mt. View, but would be willing to travel to
see the puppies.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Amy Lutz,(formerly Bensman), Corp. Voice Communications/Planning
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 2 dogs need new homes (half-Samoyed male; American Eskimo female)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:50:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <19396@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
>In article <1573@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, belanger_f@wmois.enet.dec.com (Fred Flintstone) writes:
>|> 
>|>     Because of dog-hating neighbors I must put my 2 dogs up for adoption.
>|>     They don't bark any more than most dogs (just when other dogs and
>|>     some people come by the house). Before I end up in court they MUST
>|>     find a loving home SOON (or I'll have to regrettably take the pound
>|>     route).
[deleted]
>
>There is a simple, effective and cost effective way to keep your dogs.  Get them
>debarked.  (Wait and hear me out before flaming me!)


Agreed!  De-barking the dogs is a much better solution than trying to give
them away -- who would want to take on two dogs you're getting rid of because
they're bringing out the police?  -- or, God forbid, taking them to almost
certain eventual death at the pound.  I say almost certain death because even
if they are lucky enough to be adopted, what are the chances that the new
owner won't have the same problem with them and eventually give up on them
too?   And the chance of finding that rare thing -- a remote ranch where
their barking wouldn't bother anybody -- is pretty remote.  Not that I think
debarking is a great thing, or that I would be happy to have to resort to it
myself, but it's much preferable to losing the dogs and having them probably 
lose their lives.

There is a debarked Sheltie in one of the "pet assisted therapy" visit
groups I belong to.  Even debarked he does so much "barking" it can drive you
crazy!  I imagine it would be pretty intolerable if he had his full voice.
And as Sky Warrior said, he doesn't seem to know he's debarked.

- Susan

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From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Date: 20 Aug 1992 02:26:11 GMT
Organization: Rockwell International


In article <1992Aug14.212042.28589@morrow.stanford.edu>, liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes:

> 
> 	In Labradors, there are a few people who are trying to produce Best
> in Show winning dogs.  Most of the breeders are thrilled to win specialties
> judged by other breeders.  The physical differences between BIS winning and
> specialty winning dogs is apparent.  The BIS dogs are flashy, showy dogs.
> I do not like them.  Most of the breeders I know do not like them.  They
> aren't labs. I haven't a clue about their hunting ability, because they
> aren't run in tests.  

There have been some multi-BIS winning Labs that have also proven their
hunting ability.  A few that come to mind are Ch. Sunnybrook Acres Ace O
Spades, CDX, WCX; Ch. Shamrock Acres Ebonylane Ace, CD, WCX; Ch. Ebonylane's
Midnight Bandit, WC.  I bred one bitch to  Shamrock Acres Ebonylane Ace
and he definitely produced his working ability as well as his good looks.
I was very pleased with that litter, both from a show and a field perspective.
Granted, it's not the norm and as is evidenced by the names I've cited,
I haven't shown (or bred) a Lab in a few years, but a dog can be a good
special as well as a good bird dog.  

I have a very handsome youngster now, who needs only maturity, out of
Gladys Rogers' breeding.  Very true to type conformationally, and very
keen on birds.  But I don't expect that he's a BIS dog, if for no other
reason than my not having the time or inclination to campaign him after
he gets his Ch. (and that not until he grows up a bit more).

Diane