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From: dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:25:01 GMT

In <rec.pets.dogs> angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete) writes:
>Holly wrote that the solution to the problem of owners dumping
>their dogs when they became inconvenient would be solved if
>people bought from breeders of purebred dogs.  Holly:  visit
>your local shelter.  You can pick up just about any breed, some
>show quality.  Breeders hardly have the resources to track all
>of the dogs they breed and place.

This is just a wild idea, and I would be happy for comments.

Couldn't the breeder require a deposit that is returned to the buyer
either when the dog is returned or when it dies a "natural" death?

	- The buyer has to pay a greater amount of money.
	  Good or bad?

	- The new owner will get a sizable refund if he keeps the
	  dog, or returns it to the breeder.  That also makes it
	  easier to buy a new dog...

	- The deposit should be returned with the interest it has
	  accumulated.

	- What is a natural death?  Well, I think taking your dog
	  to the vet and have it put down should qualify.  Giving
	  it to the local shelter is not, of course.  If the dog
	  gets run over by a car, I'd call that a border case that
	  I personally would be reluctant to return any deposit for.

A variation is to return the deposit after five years (or if the dog
has been returned before that).  The idea is that people who have 
kept a dog for five years will probably keep it for the rest of its
life.

I assume that people who give up their dogs are usually inexperienced
dog owners, and they haven't had their dog for very long.  Is that
correct? 

		-- Dag
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:37:03 GMT

>
>Those that were strays, drop-offs, wandered around until somebody
>took them in, or until they got run over.  Have you noticed that
>you almost never see a run-over dog nowadays?  Lots of raccoons,
>no dogs.
>
>Strays are pretty uncommon nowadays.  I've taken a few in and
>
How wrong you are!  There are plenty of mangled dogs' bodies on
the highways and streets in rural PA where I live and in the
cities and towns.  Just Sunday I saw a German Shephard puppy
lying crumpled and bloody (and thankfully dead) on a street
outside of Wilmington, DE.  It's a typical site.

I pick up strays and bring them to the shelter where I
volunteer.  Thankfully the three that I have brought there so
far this year have been adopted out.  Wanna know why?  They were
purebreds! Housebroken, usually neutered, filthy but trained,
and abandoned.
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From: rnt@drutx.ATT.COM (Diane Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves and Eating Stool
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:32:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T -- 1200 W. 120th Street, Westminster Colorado



>This summer we both got a bacterial 
>infection, "campy" is the nickname, camphlobacter, I believe, the real name.  
>Her habit of eating stool may have caused the infection.  

I thought about this after I posted my article on
letting the dog eat the stool.  Except I was thinking
more about worms.

But you're right.  Dogs don't exactly savor their meals.  By
the time I notice what she's eating, it's partially or
entirely down the hatch.

Diane Thomas
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:25:55 GMT
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In <9F49RB2w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM>, Penn Collins writes:
>
>what reaaaaally urks me is these same dinks can't even TELL me what a pit
>bull looks like....(oh, and I always mention that Spuds McKenzie and the Little
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Rascals dog was one...(sigh))

Spuds is a Bull Terrier (not an Am Staff/APBT); Petey was an Am Staff/APBT

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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: troublesome puppy
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:02:02 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1687EE5FA.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.155409.3285@linus.mitre.org>
>pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
> 
>>Comment:
>>
>>Crates can be used as a den and in that case I agree that the crate is not
>>proper for punishment.  But many trainers use crates as punishment and it is
>>humane.  Dogs don't care about rude or not rude.  They need to be trained
>>what is proper behvior and a 10 minute punishment is not too effective.
>>
>True, but a crate still should never be used for punishment.  My bichon frise,
>Shana, travels in the car in her crate.  If we had taught her that a crate is
>a place for punishment, we'd never be able to travel with her.

This is just not true.  Crating for misbehavior is "go to your room until
you can behave in society!".  It does NOT make the dog dislike the crate.
I have been crating my 10-mo-old Corgi since I got her at 12 weeks (she
was used to a crate at the breeder's).  She is crated when we're gone, at
night, and when she just WON'T listen.

  !!!!SHE STILL REGARDS HER CRATE AS HER DEN FOR SAFETY!!!!!

She hides in there to try to avoid her heartworm pill.  She caches her
special treats in there.  She naps in there, if there are people in the
same room.

Crating the dog as an isolation/punishment WILL NOT MAKE THE DOG DISLIKE
THE CRATE.  PERIOD.

Now if you take a dog that is NOT used to being in the crate, and crate
it only for punishment, it won't like the crate.  But that's not what
we're talking about here, is it?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: st1pt@Elroy.UH.EDU
Subject: Questions about Collies
Reply-To: st1pt@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:40:19 GMT



A couple of burning questions--nothing serious, just curious.
(hey, that rhymes ! :)

1) Do collies get along with horses?  I had a friend (who had a colie 
and some horses) tell me that collies were too high-strung and
tended to get real excited and scare the horses. Is this true or
doesit depend on the individual dog and/or horse?

2) I know that there is such a thing as a smooth-coated collie.
 (After watching Lassie though, it shocked my socks off to see
a short-haired collie the first time :) I'm curious though --
are the smooth and rough collies considered as separate breeds
or the same breed? If you have 2 rough parents, could you
get a smooth puppy? (and vice versa)

Feel free to answer to one or both. Inquiring minds..... :)

Amy
--
Amy Shinpaugh               "Excessive inquisitiveness terminated the
st1pt@jetson.uh.edu          existence of the feline"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:02:41 GMT

In article <168798537.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <2AD1F8DC.16785@ics.uci.edu>
>   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
> 
>>You have *labs* that bite?
> 
> 
>She never has, but when someone approaches the yard that she doesn't
>know, she appears to be just as protective as my GSD.
[stuff deleted]
>In other words, I'm not an aggressive person.
>But I would be willing to kill someone in order to protect my
>home and family.  Why is that right for me, but not my dogs?
>(I suppose you could argue that it would be wrong for me, but
>you'll never convince me of that).
> 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think you hit the nail right on the head with that parenthetical
statement.  I certainly agree with your position but you'll never
be able to convince the others in this discussion.  Oh well, to
each his/her own I suppose.  It seems that many people are 
challenging the way in which you may be training your dogs, who
seem like they are well behaved and socialized if we believe
you post (and we have no reason not to), when they really want to
challenge you philosophy about protecting your family and home
in general whether it be you, your dogs, or a hired guard.

			--Michael Buening
			internet:mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:21:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <DEAN.92Oct15101040@wind.sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>, dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean) writes...

stuff about dominant greyhound deleted...

>Would you neuter him right away, or wait and see who
>is going to adopt him and offer to neuter him for the new adopters if
>they want?  Discussion invited.
> 
>Jack Dean                         dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov

I'd vote for neutering. Whether of not it "cures" his dominant behavior, this
dog was not good enough to win at the track and I'm presuming is not show
quality, therefore he really has no business being bred. I've never neutered
an adult male dog, but have gelded adult horses and can attest that it 
DEFINITELY alters their behavior. My ex-stallion is FAR more laid back and
gets along better with the other horses now that he's gelded. I can only
assume that the same goes for dogs. Once those male hormones dissappear, they
are much calmer animals. Wouldn't you be?

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Stool-Eating (yuk)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:36:47 GMT
Distribution: \
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Oct10.171227.5013@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux) writes:
> In article <HANNAH.92Oct8093642@pomponio.ai.sri.com>, 
> hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.192444.312@news.wesleyan.edu> 
> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> 
>>>My cocker pup (ahem, pardon me) thinks that poop is a delicacy.  
> 
>>Living in the country, I figure that this behavior falls into the
>>category of "can't be cured, must be endured".  People look at me
>>funny, though, when I forget myself and refer to our dog in public by
>>one of his private nicknames---Turd.  (I tell him, "you are what you
>>eat".)
> 
> I had to comment that I once knew a young Chesapeake Bay retriever bitch, 6
> months old at the time, whose nickname was Turd Burglar.  Great girl otherwise!
> 
> Katie
And you just haven't lived until you've tried to keep a chow-hound beagle
out of your cat's litter box.  He would eat cat poop before he would go
for the cat's food.  An appetizer, I guess.  Dogs!(exasperated sigh)
Gretchen
From: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: thanks all for steriod advice
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:57:54 GMT
Reply-To: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Organization: Image Processing Algorithms Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.

hi everybody,

i just wanted to say "thank you" to all the people who sent me
email about my dog and prednisone.  i tried to reply to
as many as i could, but there were so many i couldn't reply to
everyone so here is my global thank you!

indiana is doing MUCH better.  the terrible itching ended almost
immediately after her first prednisone treatment.  she was OK at
first with waiting four hours to go out, but the last two days
have been horrible!  she's had 5 accidents so far, even though i was
home and diligently watching her.  the tapering off of the medication
starts today, so i hope she will have no more accidents.

thanks again everyone,
laurie




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All the things I thought I'd figured out, 	
I have to learn again...
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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pees when excited
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:13:07 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Oct9.175432.322@news.wesleyan.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Oct9.175432.322@news.wesleyan.edu>
RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>Called "submissive urination."  Normal. Not a housebreaking mistake.
>Suggestion:  *BEFORE* visitor walks into house, tell puppy, "Sit."  Dogs
>can't pee sitting down.

SURE they can, Ruth! I have a Newfy bitch who, at two years old, still has a
submissive urination problem...with everyone but me. And believe me, she can
definitely pee while sitting! I know you probably meant that a male dog can't
pee while sitting down, but he can indeed. Just the aim is different, and
you'll likely get a wet pants leg or shoe. 
And, No, I don't have suggestions for training the dog not to pee. Nothing
I've tried works at all. Interestingly, the two-year old never pees in the
conformation ring...maybe because she ISN'T sitting down? 
Sure cures from the netland welcome!
**************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City OH

-- 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: OFA book
Keywords: Hip Dsyplasia
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:53:49 CDT

   For those of you waiting for the rest of the OFA manual on Hip Dysplasia sorry
we have been asked not to publish it.If you want it contact the OFA, they'll
charge you a couple of bucks, they need to recoup their costs... Sorry...


   Dennis G.
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Is that a ________? *smile*
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:24:08 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I just could not resist with my own story of "what kind of dog is that?"!

I took Cinnamon to the Agriculture Museum the other day and as we
were walking around, we got a LOT of attention as usual!  She is 
a very happy dog, and really is quite precious looking, so 
people almost always stop us, and ask about her.  I LOVE it!
I love to show her off!  *laugh*

Well, this 2 year old little boy ran up to us with his mother
close behind.  He immediately reached out and I told him
to be very easy and gentle, which his mother was saying at 
the same time.  *smile*  Now you have to know that 
Min weighs 50 pounds and is 20 inches high.  I think she is
all or mostly Wheaten Terrier, but i adopted her, so I may never
know for sure.  She is bigger than most female Wheatens, but her
coloring is exact, and she looks very very much like one.

The little boy's grandmother was sitting there and she asked, "Is 
that a Scottish Terrier?"!  I almost fell out!  But I was very 
nice and said, "No, mam.  We believe she is a Soft-coated Wheaten
Terrier".  

Most people do not think she is a terrier, simply because she is so
big and STRONG.  Most people seem to think of the Yorkie, the 
Westie, and the Cairn Terrier when they hear terrier.  *smile*
They need to meet an Airedale!  *smile*

Anyway,  I wanted to share one of the many stories I have about
"what kind of dog is that?  Is it a ________?".  And to say
I love ot because it gives me a chance to brag about how
wonderful she is, to talk about how wonderful adopting a
pet is, and to show off how well she behaves, which gives
dogs a better reputation.

We have been working at getting her used to socializing in public.
She still strains at the leash soemtimes, only when she sees another
animal, and most of the time when she sees a humane.  She is
just a very social animal, but is still learning how to 
go about it gently.  *smile*

I LOVE to hear all of your stories, so keep them coming.  I am 
always telling my friends and family about thigns I read here.
They all want to get a computer so they can read too! *laugh*

To the guy who had the precious border Collie wiht 3 legs,
keep it up and good luck the next time around!  *smile*

Suzanne
From: shari@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wild and Crazy Kind of Girl)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Guinea Pigs
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:14:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Hi! I'm looking for people around my area that raise guinea pigs (cavies).  If
you know of any such people, please let me know.  I used to raise guinea pigs
and am interested in getting back into it.

Thanks.

Shari Heino



Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: sauron@femto.engr.mun.ca (Patrick Ryan)
Subject: Re: Need Ferret Advice
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:44:00 GMT

hartman@thorin.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:

>I wouldn't recommend shaking them too much.  Remember they have a very long
>spine, you don't want to risk back/neck injuries.

Should have specified - two-handed shake.  Support the entire length of
the spine.

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From: sharon@phoneme.shs.uiuc.edu (Sharon Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: bald spot on rabbit?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:49:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6C5s.8xJ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hello,
A couple of days ago I noticed a bald spot on Woody's back - right between  
his shoulder blades.  Some of the fur around his shoulders seemed matted,  
so I combed it out.  Since he is shedding, I got some small clumps of hair  
in the comb. His skin also seemed kind of dry and patchy where the bald  
spots where, so I cleaned the area with hydrogen peroxide.  I think the  
bald spot is getting bigger because Woody scratches at it.

Has anyone else had similar problems with balding bunnies?  Do rabbits  
usually do this when they change coats (molt?).  Should I be really  
worried?  Does Woody need to see the vet?

Thank you for any advice/remedies etc.

Sharon Morrison
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Cockatoo noise problem
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:14:21 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I have a problem with very loud noises with my Congo AG, Rebel, and
there is an infernal chirp that B.B., my cockatiel, makes that will
drive you up the wall!!  *smil.e*  When they start this, which 
really is not that often, I say NO! in a stern voice.  It usually
works, but I have been working on it for a few years.  It will
not happen over night, but they will learn.

One thing I would like to say, is that some people find the 
little mumurings and the little songs birds sing as nerve
racking.  To me, this is the beauty of a bird, and I let mine
sing and chirp *almost* anything they want.  There are only a 
couple of LOUD sounds they make that I will not allow.  *laugh*
Well, I can say will not allow all I wnat.  They stop when THEY
want to...which is almost always when I say NO!  *smile*

One thing I do, that may or may not help your bird, is that I have 
a radio in the room my birds are in and it palys 24 hours a day.
They both seem to love it esp B.B.  He goes crazy over certain
songs that come on.  There is one song that Simply Red did a 
remake of a few years ago, and to this day, he STILL goes crazy 
when it comes on...and yes it is that infernal noise all 'Tiels make!
*smile*

I know that i do not have a Cockatoo, and that those birds soemtimes
scream, unlike a 'tiel or a Congo, but I believe any bird can learn NO!
and rather quickly I might add, IF you practive with him and BE 
CONSISTENT  *smile*

If you or your family finds that you cannot live with him, please
be sure to find a good loving home for him and if you go 
the pet shop route, please make sure they are reliable.  I am sure
you will...I just have seen people who have had birds who did not
take the time with them they should.  They failed to see that they were
being properly fed and groomed (nails), or loved.  *smile*

Good luck!  And if you do find you will have to find a new home
for your bird, you may wish to post it on rec.pet.birds which
is where you should also direct your posting on what to do about
the loud noise problem *smile*  I forgot this was just pets or
I would have privately emailed you!  Sorry y'all!!

Suzanne
Xref: sparky rec.pets:3303 rec.birds:1742
From: wood-smithc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Chrissi Wood-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.birds
Subject: Re: Cockatoo
Keywords: noisy, destructive bird
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:07:02 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <4174@novavax.UUCP> vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro) writes:
>From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
>Subject: Cockatoo
>Keywords: noisy, destructive bird
>Date: 15 Oct 92 00:45:32 GMT

>Hi, we've had a pet Cockatoo for the past twelve years. My parents were
>taking care of him, but they moved out of their house and into a
>trailor home. They want to put the bird in a pet shop, and it is
>upsetting to all of us.
>How can I take care of this bird in such a way as to minimize the
>noise? Does anyone have any destructive, noisy birds? And how do
>you deal with the noise (short of killing the bird, that is)?

That would be great If you could take him, these animals get very attached 
to their family and some die of heartbreak.  I have heard of many people 
keeping them in trailers.  Did you parents think of that??

Anyhow, I know the noise could be a problem, but generally if the bird has 
plenty of attention and toys to play with it will sound off only in the 
morning when everyone wakes up and in the late afternoon.  That has been the 
habit of my amazon.  He knows screaming is not permitted often, and if he 
abuses the rule he goes to the cage with a cover for 15 minutes to calm down.
Destruction of your stuff is a different problem all togeather.  This 
species is know for its chewing fancy.  If you present the bird with enough 
to chew that is interesting (they like wood with bark --- but make sure it 
is bird safe without pesticides), perhaps it will resist the temptation to 
eat the legs on the chairs.  Otherwise, simply allow the bird out only under 
your supervision.

Good luck with your cockatoo!! They are beautiful animals and much fun!!