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From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: windows 3.1 support
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:41:02 EST
Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I wrote:

BD>Not  quite.  They  showed  the  Windows  3.1 support, true. But they are
BD>definately NOT  "mostly finished".  Getting a  demonstrable version  and
BD>getting a shippable version are two totally different things, as we  all
BD>know. Remember, Reiswig showed off Win31 support at Comdex on April 7th,
BD>one day after Win31 was officially released. But that was prototype, not
BD>product. From what I  hear, the Win31 stuff  is close, but more  work is
BD>required. WPS  and performance  are the  big issues  as far  as IBM  are
BD>concerned, apparently (that, and drivers).

Dave Tholen then wrote:

DT>Um, they're definitely NOT "mostly finished", but from what you hear, the
DT>Win31 stuff is close?  Perhaps it's a matter of semantics, but close and
DT>mostly finished sound like the same thing to me.

Yeah, I worded that very badly. The point I was trying to make was  that
although the FUNCTIONALITY of Win31 is "mostly finished", the  stability
of it running under OS/2 needs a lot more work, so a release date  isn't
"close". Makes more sense now? PLEASE say yes. :-)

Sheesh, did I put my foot in it that time.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sills@aero.org (Andy Sills)
Subject: Re: TIGA and me
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:54:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.134101.21119@hemlock.cray.com> gjm@cray.com (Gordon Miller) writes:
>>>I've heard that there are no drivers for TIGA cards available under os/2.  
>>>Natch, I've got a TIGA card in one machine.  Can anyone point me at TIGA drivers?
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>None at present, but I am told that Number Nine is developing OS/2 2.0
>>drivers for their TIGA adapters.
>>
>
>
>Add Zenith to the list.  They are reportedly developing OS/2 drivers for
>their TIGA adapter (649 card).  At least that is what the kind soul in
>Tech Support told me.  No estimate for date when drivers would be available.
>
Add National Design Inc (NDI) writing OS/2 drivers for their Volante
AT1000 and AT1200 graphics boards. Their tech people said maybe by
Oct/Nov of this year. God, 640 x 480 is BIG after 1280 x 1024!


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Lowey@Sask.USask.CA
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Modplay
Originator: lowey@jester.usask.ca
Reply-To: lowey@jester.usask.ca
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:16:57 GMT

From dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap):
> raf4482@rigel.tamu.edu (REID FORREST) writes:
>>Has anyone had any success with OS/2 and programs like ModPlay?  I've tried
>>and Modplay slows to a crawl, and needless to say what comes out of the speak-
>>ers nowhere near resembles music.   I have a Covox Sound Master II, and can
>>use programs designed to Covox, DAC on LPT1, Speech Thing, etc.
>>Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Modplay is sending bytes directly to the sound hardware.  This is a
> timing critical application, and may cause problems.  This is known.
> Using a DAC on LPT1 will mean all your data gets channeled through the
> spooler - not a happy situation.

I use a soundblaster pro, and the PROMOD program.  After I set
HW-TIMER to on, it worked flawlessly on my 33Mhz 486, complete with sterio.

You can get this program from /pub/archives/msdos/sound/promod11.zoo
on FTP.USASK.CA.  This is a DOS program, not an OS/2 specific program.

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From: iam@stiatl.salestech.com (Ian Mercado)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: The Future of OS/2
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:15:10 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.

mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben) writes:

> 
>... and there's even a version of minsweeper available for OS/2.  The
>results of some programmer who thinks like you... :-)  You're halfway
>home!

Blech!  Not NEAR as nice as the minesweeper for 3.1.  The only reason I'm
looking forward to the (insert season here) CSD is so I can play the 3.1
minesweeper.  Otherwise, OS/2 2.0 suits me to a 'T'!

Ian

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From: cvadrtbc@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Srikanth Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: Dvorak switches to OS/2!!
Organization: California Polytechnic University, Pomona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: dvorak,os2
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:02:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <l6uvg3INN8nr@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, hethmon@cs.utk.edu (PAUL HETHMON) writes...
>If you haven't seen it yet, in the August 92 issue of PC Mag,
>John Dvorak has announced his switch to OS/2.  To quote:
> 
>     "Drop any preconceived notions about OS/2 and just install
>      it.  If you've got the right machine, it's rock solid."
> 
>He's written a pretty fair column about his switching to OS/2 and
>what he likes about it.  He also manages to throw a few jabs at
>Microsoft for their "propaganda machine ... to keep this OS out
>of the hands of the users."
> 
>It's interesting now that Zachmann has resigned, another ZD
>columnist has gone to OS/2.  I wonder what PC Week will do now?
> 

As much as I liked the article, I wasn't so pleased with Dvorak's
statement that you need a 386/33 or 40 with 8-16 megs of RAM *minimum*
to run OS/2, and he also implied that Tseng cards don't work with OS/2.

Srikanth
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.graphics
From: gwebster@ugly.UVic.CA (This space for rent)
Subject: Re: POV ray 1.0 (DOS) under OS/2
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc 
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.144730.24096@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890560p@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trevor Porter) writes:
>
>I was wondering if anyone else has tried running POV ray 1.0 from a DOS
>session under OS/2 (without a math co-processor) without problems.  
>
>OS/2 gives a "trying to execute a NFX instruction and NFX processor
>does not exist" error (or something like this) .
>
>The program works fine under DOS without a math co-pro. Am I doing something
>wrong?
>

I ran into the same problem, and have not been able to get the program to work.

I have the coprocessor emulation enabled (the line in my config.sys file
reads DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VNPX.SYS) 

There have been a couple messages regarding this in comp.os.os2.misc, but none 
in comp.graphics so I am cross-posting in the hopes that somebody in 
comp.graphics may have already solved this problem and would be willing to 
fill the rest of us in on the secret???

Hope so, I'm lookin' forward to using this puppy...

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From: tccheng@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tsai-Chu Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: HELP!  "Access Denied" Error messsages
Date: 24 Jul 1992 06:48:31 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu


I keep gettting the "Access Denied 0005" Error Message when trying to run
certain DOS programss from the DOS command lines.  I immediately shutdown
after installation as told.  This is the 2nd time I've tried installing
OS/2 v2.0 recently, after running into that problem the 1st time.
Any suggestions?  Thanks!

Please E-mail replies.  Thanks


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From: fritz@ra.csc.ti.com (Fritz Whittington)
Subject: Re: install can't get past disk 1
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:55:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.130824.28647@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> you write:
>How's it goin', eh?
>
>Just got my Win -> OS/2 upgrade, many thanx to Jon Hacker for his soothing
>advice.  However, the damn thing won't install....
>
>Disk 0 (installation disk) works fine.  Disk 1 produces:
>   OS/2 SYSTEM INSTALL
>   SYS00371: THE SYSTEM CANNOT WRITE TO A WRITE PROTECTED A:
>Any idease why the system is trying to write to disk 1 and not disk 0 
>(which is not write protected)???

At least in my distribution (5.25"), Disk 1 is write-enabled.  Disk 0
was originally write-enabled (had a slot cut) but was pasted over to
write-protect it again.  All of the others were 'permanently' write
protected (that is, never had a slot cut in the edge).  

The *first* time you try to install an *upgrade* version, it looks for
a previous version of MS-DOS on the hard disk, and if it finds it,
writes a little file on Disk 1.  Thereafter, it will not do this check
again.

(It's looking for a zero-length file named RUP.RUP; if you simply put
this file on Disk 1, it will probably work.)

It seems to me that they originally intended to put this file on Disk
0, hence used one that had the slot cut.  Then they discovered that it
really had to be on disk 1, so they pasted over the slot on disk 0,
and cut a slot on disk 1.  It may be that they forgot to do this in
your box of diskettes.

What I would suggest is that you make a diskcopy of disk 1 onto a
regular HD floppy, and leave it write-enabled.  Once you get past the
first installation, or at least onto disk 2, you can write-protect
disk 1 (copy).  At some time, you may wish to cut a slot in the
original disk 1, and copy the RUP.RUP file from your copied disk 1
onto it, just for completeness.  You may have to pull some tricks to
find a program that will copy a zero-length file.

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From: platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Problem replacing *.DLL files 
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:11:54 GMT
Organization: Software Environments, Inc.

menendez@trantor.harris-atd.com writes in article <1992Jul23.152118.22378@mlb.semi.harris.com>:

> Instead, I copied the new files to root (\) and rebooted. The new files were
> apparently used (the black icons disappeared), but I still was not able to 
> move or erase the new files in the root directory. I was able to copy these
> files to /os2/dll to update the old ones, but I can not get rid of the copies
> in the root.


Add a "CALL=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE" to your CONFIG.SYS file as the LAST line. When you
reboot, OS/2 will start a full-screen command-line session and you can fiddle
with things since most of the OS hasn't started yet.  Just delete the files
on your root directory, then type "EXIT" and OS/2 will finish coming up.

It's convenient enough I just leave that line in my CONFIG.SYS all the time,
since I rarely reboot anymore, except when I'm loading fixes.

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From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Installing OS/2 - CAN'T!!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:34:05 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <13623@mindlink.bc.ca>, Brenda_Haynes@mindlink.bc.ca (Brenda Haynes) writes:
> When I try to install OS/2 on my 386/33 using 5 1/4" disks, the first disk
> loads the IBM screen that requests the second disk, Disk #1.  I then insert
> Disk #1, press ENTER and wait, and wait, and wait . . . .
> 
> I phoned IBM and they said that I would have to turn off disk caching and,
> maybe, asynchronous memory refreshing.

Here's a longshot: I had the same behavior due to a keyboard conflict in
OS2 1.2.  My dipswitches were set for "Enhanced AT, PS/2" which worked fine
for DOS/Windows, but not with OS2. The setting for "PC/AT" did work.
My keyboark has a calculator built-in.

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: cant shutdown my system
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:02:44 GMT

In article <19341@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person ) writes:
>When I try to shut-down os/2,i get the usual dialogs about shutting
>down os/2 dos/os2 boxes etc. Then,  I am left with a non-closed
>desktop. I.e. nothing happens.  Any ideas? 

It happens sometimes.

If it does, just make sure that everything is shut down (your
applications) and all your data files are saved.  Then, from the
desktop, select Refresh instead of Shutdown.  Then press CTRL-ALT-DEL.
When the BIOS message comes up on the screen turn off the system (if
you wish).

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From: michaelm@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Graphic/ultra and DOS windows problem. Help!
Keywords: ati ultra nec
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:08:38 GMT
Reply-To: michaelm@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



Help! I installed the Graphics Ultra the other day. I am using a
NEC Multisync XL and no documentation. I reinstall OS/2 for the
8514/a (I have read that to get the fonts correct you must do a
reinstall instead of using the selective install). 

Does anyone know what the setup should be for the Graphics/Ultra
and a NEC XL. ATI didn't seem to know.

Anyhow, my problem. Since I installed the ATI and OS/2 8514
support I have had intermittent problems with DOS window sizing.
Sometimes I can set up a window to the size that I want but
mostly I can't.
PROBLEM
EXAMPLE: I set up a communications program that is sized to about
a third of my screen. So far so good. The next time i click on
the icon it may be like I set it up or it may be a much smaller
window. If I click on the maximize button on the upper right hand
corner it stays the same size but moves to the upper left hand
corner of the desktop. It only displays a portion of the program
yet has no scroll bars. I can't size it except to a smaller
window.

HINT? When I can set it up correctly (it never stays) under the
font selection on the left menu.
=============
Font size 20*12
sizes (rows & cols):
window  25*80
screen  38*85
==============
when it craps out
==============
font size 20*12
sizes (rows & cols):
window  12*40
screen  38*85
===============
How can I make the window larger and keep it that way.
I would appreciate any help, this thing is driving me bananas. I
don't really want to run all my DOS apps in full screen.

BTW: this happens when OS/2 is set up as a 8514 or VGA. It did
not happen with my old ATI Wonder card but this could be a
coincidence.

                                Please help
                                Michael
michaelm@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
From: tom@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Tom Aurand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Nowhere directory?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:30:02 GMT
Reply-To: tom@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Tom Aurand)
Organization: Colorado State U. Center for Computer Assisted Engineering.

In article <agriffin.712243488@tsfsrv>, agriffin@mitre.org ((James)
Artch Griffin(W20)) writes:
> In <2178771@overmind.citadel> po.CWRU.Edu!dab6@overmind.mind.org writes:
> 
> 
> >Has anyone been able to figure out what the nowhere directory is for?
> 
> >Is there anyway to get rid of it?
> 
> You do not want to get rid of it if you ever plan to print.
> 
> The EAs associated with this directory deal with your printer (and
> plotter, if you have installed drivers and queue managers).
> 
> As a demonstration - Children DO NOT TRY THIS WITHOUT ADULT
> SUPERVISION!!
> 
> Select and MB2 your printer icon. This gives you the pop-up menu.
> MB1 on the DELETE option.  Look at the information in the
> delete-conformation dialog box (you still have delete conformation
> active don't you?)  Select cancel.
> 
> Before you do this demonstration, you may wish to readup on installing
> printer drivers. ;-)
> 
> Happy OS/2ing it.
> 
> Artch
If you know something, spit it out.  If you know nothing, shut up.


Tom
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: os/2 ram drive
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:17:46 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Jerry Bryan <BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:


>6. A RAM disk can totally eliminate disk I/O if you have enough memory.
>   Disk caching does not eliminate all I/O because all writes happen
>   eventually, even with lazy write.

I will not claim to be to knowlegdable about ram disk, io, etc., but it
seems to me, you are saying:

1.  Make a ram disk.
2.  Put your swap there.  This gives no disk i/o if you have enough memory.

If this is true, and you have enough memory for a ram disk to contain all of
the swapped data, would you need to swap if you used the memory for real
memory instead of a ram disk?  Why use up memory for a ram disk, that will
just force you to swap to the ram disk more, right????

Am I missing something here?

Todd
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From: chk@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Christian Kuhtz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: GP faults in DISPLAY.DLL and DOSCALL1.DLL
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:08:07 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence Hamburg

Hi,

I often have GP faults in DISPLAY.DLL and DOSCALL1.DLL. The PMShell goes
down and reboots. Does anyone have any idea why so ?

cu,
  Christian
From: jmp1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEFFREY MICHAEL PARSONS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: How does one un-zoo something?
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:48:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am new to FTPing.  How do I un-zoo a file:  xxxxx.zoo?  I assume there is a
program that does it.  Where is it?  (Site, directory, and filename please.)

Thanks, Jeff
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From: agriffin@mitre.org (James Artcher Griffin)
Subject: Re: Nowhere directory?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:32:42 GMT

In <1992Jul30.161550.26348@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> sean@curry1.austin.ibm.com writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.005121.7666@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, dab6@po.CWRU.Edu
>(Douglas A. Bell) writes:
>|> 
>|> Has anyone been able to figure out what the nowhere directory is for?
>|> 
>|> Is there anyway to get rid of it?
>|> 

>Don't get rid of it (if you even can).  NOWHERE is used by the OS as sort
>of a temporary place to put things that it wants to hide from you.  One
>example is a 'Find Results' folder is usually built in there.      You can
>use this directory in your own REXX programs, and otherwise if you wish.

>Generally it is empty, so it shouldn't take up any real disk space.  So
>why worry about it in the first place?

>Sean

Thanks Sean,  my reply to the question really was not accurate *<:(.  I
know that I have seen nowhere referenced when I was deleteing a plotter
object while trying to cleanup after a bungled driver install.

Also a fullsome THANK YOU to IBM and TEAM OS/2 for the system and the
support.

Artch
From: "kenneth tam" <kenneth.tam@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: specific dos and mem
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:14:07 EST
Reply-To: "kenneth tam" <kenneth.tam@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

07-21-92  08:28 - Timothy F. Sipples wrote to All re: Specific dos and memory 

 TFS> can a VDM created using VMDISK have EMS/XMS, DOS loaded >high, UMB's
 TFS> for loading device drivers high, etc. >My attempts at doing this have
 TFS> been fruitless so far; though an IBM >service rep said it is possible.

 TFS> It can certainly use EMS, XMS, DPMI, mouse, etc.  See the online
 TFS> Command Reference and/or the Installation Guide (Appendix E) for more
 TFS> information.

Both claim that replacing HIMEM.SYS and EMM386.EXE or their equivalents
with OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS and EMM.SYS will work.  

They don't, at least for me.  This is off a DOS 5.00 VMDISK image,

I've got FSFILTER installed, so that isn't it.  It actually reports
loading in the two OS/2 mem drivers, but the MEM command shows only
conventional...

The mouse works though.

 TFS> I'm not sure about UMBs and DOS loaded high -- anyone?

No luck with UMBs here, since normally HIMEM.SYS controls those
and it isn't loading right for me.  DOS HIGH, same problem I believe..

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From: stirling@hursley.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: strange goings on
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley, England
News-Software: NewsKit 1.5 - LaMail

In <igcRoB1w164w@gorilla.nbn.com>, holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
>
>So I finally got up to 8 megs(!) and am using OS/2.
>I like it, but a couple of crazy things.
>First, when I start up, I get Excel opened three times!
>I have nothing in the "startup" folder. 
>Also, the sticky pad and other things always open in 
>their default positions, not where I put them.
>Finally, it often takes 3 or 4 tries to get the
>thing to boot.
>

Tim, I also get these sorts of problems occassionally, usually when I have not 
shut the system down properly.  To get past it I do the following
 
1.  Boot the machine
2.  Eventually the system will load the display driver - screen goes white or 
    some colour you have chosen
3.  Clock pointer appears
4.  Arrowhead pointer appears
 
As soon as the arrow appears, press and hold down, LeftShift+LeftCtrl+F1 until 
the WPS windows start to appear.
 
If at any time whilst holding the keys down, the hard disk activity permanently 
stops then release the keys and immediately hold them down again.

Cheers,                                                                         
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CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet                         
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