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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:13:26 -0500
From:         ZABDULLA@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU
Subject:      Looking for Asian-American Suppport Groups

Date: 23 Nov 1992 04:01:08 -0500 (EST)
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From: oliver@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject: Forwarding a message

Asian American College Student Support Groups


Greetings -

I am looking for information on support groups that have been developed
on college or university campuses for students of Asian American heritage.
Like groups formed for Asian, Hispanic, Black, or other groups, these are
aimed at helping Asian Americans answer questions of ethnicity as well as
deal with any problems that might occur as a result of having mixed
heritage e.g. parents of differing backgrounds. For example, my wife is
Asian (Thai), I am American, and our children are Asian Americans. My
daughter, who has worked in multicultural affairs at a small midwestern
college, was a member of an Asian society and recently started a group
for Asian American students.

We are hoping to gather data on such groups and present it at an Asian
American conference to be held at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse
in March 1993.

Any information would be greatly appreciated. For example, schools that
have such groups, their success or failure, who we might contact for
additional information, etc.

Many thanks.

Harry Gardiner
gardiner@vax2.winona.msus.edu
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:19:54 CST
From:         "(joseph stimpfl)" <jstimpfl@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU>
Subject:      Singapore
              "MFCRANE%CS.TCD.IE@KSUVM.KSU.EDU" at Nov 16, 92 8:48 pm

Joseph Stimpfl writes that gross violations of human rights and repression
of church workers, trade union officials, parliamentary leaders, journalists
intellectuals and others in Singapore is simply "different" than the norms of
western countries, that this is somehow the "Asian way" of doing things.  This
is a rather grotesque and patronizing way of looking at "Asia under Asians" as
Stimpfl presents it.  I would add that it sounds just a bit self-serving to
offer such apologies and to implicitly suggest for his Singaporean benefactors
that Amnesty International, the International Committee of Jurists and other
organizations that have cited Singapore in frequent violation of basic human
rights are to be regarded as "cultural imperialists."  Are you not aware that
Singapore is a signatory to most of the international human rights concords in-
cluding those of the United Nations?  Stimpfl, there is no question of your
right to such outrageous and culturally insensitive beliefs, but if you are
truly an anthropologist, what has happened to your humanity? GS


My reply:
In reading this comment I am reminded of a quote from I.M. Lewis in "Social
Anthropology in Perspective:  The Relevance of Social Anthropology"   --  "an
important part of the anthropologist's job is to expose the difficulties, the
contradictions, and the conflicts of interest in a situation in order that false
 hopes of
easy solutions should not mislead."

A "cultural imperialist" is one who superimposes her/his own value system on
 others,
assuming that one way of doing/thinking is superior to another.  I have observed
 that
one who readily judges other cultural groups is prone to this point of view.

Whereas I see your point of view, I think that your remarks are unkind and not
particularly informed.



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Subject: BURMA COMMANDER VOWS NO LET-UP IN KAREN WAR
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:25:35 GMT
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RTw  11/16 0157  BURMA COMMANDER VOWS NO LET-UP IN KAREN WAR

    By Sutin Wannabovorn
    CHIANG MAI, Thailand, Nov 16, Reuter - Senior Burmese officials, in northern
Thailand to discuss border tensions, said on Monday the Rangoon government
would press the war against ethnic minorities unless they surrendered.
    The eastern regional commander, Major General Muang Aye, told reporters
the Burmese army had ended its unilateral truce and resumed the offensive in
response to guerrilla attacks.
    "We merely resumed military operations to retake our positions taken by
the Karen," he said as he headed into the talks with Thai officials to discuss
Burmese army incursions into Thailand.
    Burmese Deputy Foreign Minister Nyunt Swe added: "Whether the war continues
or not depends on the Karen. If they want peace, just surrender."
    Rangoon reported last week that almost 400 combatants from both sides were
killed in three months of clashes.
    Fighting is likely to intensify as the monsoons have ended. Burmese troops
are closing in on key camps of the Karen, strongest of the ethnic minority
insurgent groups.
    The Chiang Mai talks were called because fighting has spilled over into
Thailand.
    Burmese troops have chased guerrillas across the border and dug in around
Thai villages, prompting the Thais to mobilise. Several thousand Karen refugees
have streamed over the Moie River which marks the frontier.
    Thai army and rebel sources said Rangoon had sent more than 10,000 fresh
troops to the border for the dry season offensive.
    Major Walter, Karen commander at Mae Rahta camp on the banks of the Salween
River, told Reuters there at the weekend: "The enemy soldiers are preparing
their supplies and transportation.
    "I expect they will launch the offensive in the second week of December,"
he said.
    Mae Rahta is about five km (three miles) from Sleeping Dog Hill, scene of
one of the fiercest battles of the last campaign.
    About 4,000 Burmese troops are now stationed on the hill, from where
artillery can reach the Karen headquarters at Manerplaw.
    A Thai army source, who asked not to be named, said the war would go on if
only to give the ruling junta in Rangoon a reason to prolong their rule.
    "If there is no fighting, the military junta has no justification for
continuing their stay in power so do not expect peace in Burma in the near
future," he said.
    The Thai government generally has cordial relations with the junta despite
widespread international criticism of its human rights record since it seized
power in a 1988 coup.
    But regional commanders also often turn a blind eye when Karen and other
ethic minorities cross the border.
    The Karen National Union have been fighting since Burma's independence
from Britain in 1948, when Karen autonomy was promised but not given.
 REUTER SUT JB GD
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:11:00 +0800
From:         "NAME 'R D HILL, GEOGRAPHY & GEOLOGY,
              UNIVERSITY OF HONG KONG'" <RDHILL@HKUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VI: VN-CAMBODIA

Bravo Carl Trocki
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:21:42 -0600
From:         Peter Pui Tak Chiu <ppc1@CEC2.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject: Re: BURMA: Rohingyas Update

hi,

can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe to this list?

thanks

peter
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:02:32 PST
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      10 KILLED AS KARENS BLAMED FOR ATTACK ON THAI BASE

Tw  11/10 0601  10 KILLED AS KARENS BLAMED FOR ATTACK ON THAI BASE

 (Eds: updates with official blaming Karen rebels for attack)
    MAE SOT, Thailand, Nov 10, Reuter - Six Thai border policemen and four
wildlife protection officers were killed on Monday when Karen rebels attacked
a border patrol base near Burma, officials said on Tuesday.
    A senior police officer said the gunmen attacked the jungle base in Umphang
district of Tak province and overpowered 15 policemen stationed there.
    Anan Anantakul, permanent secretary in the Interior Ministry, blamed the
attack on fighters of the Karen ethnic minority, which has been battling the
Burmese government for autonomy for decades.
    Karen fighters, strongest of a dozen ethnic minority armies fighting
Rangoon, roam freely back and forth over the Burmese-Thai border.
    Anan refused to speculate on a motive for the attack.
    Six policemen were killed at the base, as were four wildlife protection
officers staying at a house attached to the camp. The camp was burned to the
ground.
    Earlier this year, Burmese soldiers in hot pursuit of ethnic rebels crossed
into Thailand and clashed with Thai soldiers and police near Umphang, 300 km
(190 miles) northwest of Bangkok.
 REUTER SUT DF SM
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From:         mrubyono@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject:      Any current news about Xanana?

Could anyone provide any current news about Xanana capture,
and what do Ramos Horta and Constan Tino Pinto do in Oz and Lisabon?
-ruby
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Subject: Need Info. On Burmese Refugees
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:33:11 GMT
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Dear SEAsia-l readers, I'm currently doing a research paper on the ethnic
conflict in the Burmese refugee camps on the Thai-Burma border, focusing on the
tension between the ethnic minorities in the camps and the students in the
camps (ABSDF).  As you can imagine, not much has been written on the subject,
and I am lacking sources.  I will be in Chiang Mai in January to research the
subject, and volunteer with the Burmese Relief Center.  Until then I would
appreciate any information you may have or know of.

Thank you in advance,

Monica Scandlen
mscandlen@macalstr.edu
appreciate any clues to sources you may know of. Thank you in advance,
From: COMSTOCK@ABRSLE.AGR.CA (Bruce Comstock)
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Subject: Re: NEWS/VN: VN will cooperate ...
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:34:16 GMT
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It's very true that the Vietnamese officials (and people) are cooperating
with the U.S. officials on the whereabouts of MIA's.  I was in Vietnam
in May of this year and there were a group of Americans combing the
Vietnamese countryside searching for remains of helicopters, planes ...
anything that might point to the whereabouts of another soldier listed
as MIA.  Unfortunately they were also offering rewards to the villagers
who uncovered such clues and the forensic lab in Hawaii (where the bones
were sent for positive identification) concluded that some of the villagers,
in their enthusiasm, dug up the remains of their ancestors and submitted
them as evidence of another MIA.

Bruce Comstock
Lethbridge, Alberta
CANADA
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:32:00 EST
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Vinai to speed up Hopewell project

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:15:00+0700
From: Kamol Hengkietisak <kamol>
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 21: Vinai to speed up Hopewell project

TRANSPORT and Communications Minister Col Vinai Sompong said
yesterday that he will remove State Railway of Thailand Governor
Sommai Tamthai from the chairmanship of the SRT Supervision and
Coordination Committee in order to facilitate Hopewell Holding's
elevated freeway and railway project.

Col Vinai said the removal is aimed at improving coordination and
cooperation between the ministry and Hopewell to get the project
off the ground.

He made the above statements after inspecting the piling site of
Hopewell at Wat Samian Nari.

He said Mr Sommai will be replaced by the Permanent Secretary for
Transport and Communications Mahidol Chantrangkul.

Hopewell has reportedly hired Thai Bauer to handle the piling
work. But the piling work has been delayed for five months due to
lack of good coordination and cooperation between Hopewell and the
coordination committee chaired by Mr Sommai.

During the inspection, Col Vinai was briefed by Hopewell project
manager Stewart Elliot on the delay.

At one point, Mr Elliot drew laughs from the minister's team when
he asked if he could start the project now.

He told reporters later that he can start the piling work as soon
as the ministry gives the permission.

He said the project has been delayed for five months now.

He also said Hopewell has already submitted the detailed design of
the project to the SRT's coordination committee.

He said the committee has 60 days to approve or reject the plans
as required by the contract.

Meanwhile, Mr Mahidol said Col Vinai wants closer coordination by
ordering Mr Sommai's removal to help the project get off the
ground.

He said he will comply with the minister's policy of seeing the
project started immediately.

He said he did not want to discuss who is right or wrong (in the
delay), adding that this can be discussed later under the
framework of the contract.

Asked to comment on the expected removal, Mr Sommai said he did
not know if he could hold on to his post anymore.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:28:25 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      Re-education camp story

I have heard and read many stories about re-education camps. I have talked to
former prisoners.  And I thought that I have heard all the stories.

Recently I talked to a former Vietnamese political prisoner. He was held
15 years (1975-1990) in various camps throughout Vietnam.  Released, he got
to America thru the HO program and reunited with his family.

He said that one of the worst camp is in Phu' Ye^n province. The terror is
being confined in a xa` lim (cell). It is not the torture, not the climate,
not the prison conditions that scare the prisoners.  It is the diet.

The daily diet for a prisoner consisted of a bowl of rice soaked in salted
water (nu+o+'c muo^'i).  To avoid starvation, they had to eat the rice
anyway after decanting the salted water.  But the salted water has already
soaked the rice. Moreover, they were not given enough water to drink.
Thus, the kidneys had to work overtime.  Soon, their bodies were swollen
(phu` thu?ng). If they could not get out of there in time, death is certain.

To alleviate the problem, at first they tried to hold their water (i.e. urine)
until meal time. After decanting the salted water, they urinated in the
bowl then decanting the urine, hoping to remove the salty, before eating the
rice.  It sounded disgusting, he said, but it helped somewhat. And they will
do anything to survive.  However, as the water ration cannot keep up with
the body demand, soon they urinate less and less.  After a while, they
realized that no matter what they do they could not escape an agony death
as long as they are in there.  They equate being send to Phu' Ye^n camp with
being sentenced to death.

He was lucky that he was transfered to another camps after a short period
in Phu' Ye^n camp.  He commented that it just one of many ways the Hanoi
regime can kill these prisoners quietly without a bullet.

Nha^n
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:29:39 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: Bad weather hampers search for plane

11/16

BAD WEATHER HAMPERS SEARCH FOR VIETNAM PLANE

    HANOI, Nov 17, Reuter - Bad weather on Tuesday hampered a search for a
Vietnam Airlines plane that disappeared in a typhoon at the weekend carrying 31
people, including nine foreigners.
    Airline spokesman Nguyen Ngoc Quang said rain and strong wind buffeting the
southern coast was hindering the search for the Soviet-made Yak-40, which
disappeared minutes before it was due to land.
    "We're really in trouble. We really feel terrible about that," Quang told
reporters. Despite initial reports that the plane crashed in Khanh Hoa
Province, Quang said it was unclear whether it went down on land or at sea.
    Air control staff lost contact with the crew of Flight VN474 just before it
was due to complete its journey from Ho Chi Minh City to the southern resort
town of Nha Trang.
    The plane, with 16 Vietnamese passengers and six crew, also carried four
Taiwanese, one Briton, one Frenchman, one Swede and two people from the
Netherlands.
    The two Dutch passengers were William van der Pas, director of the
newly-opened Vietnamese office of the Internationale Nederlanden Bank N.V., and
Annette Henriette, his office said.
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:32:00 EST
From:         "Carl A. Trocki" <CTROCKI@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VI: VN-CAMBODIA

What, exactly, is the "US Task Forces on Terrorism and Unconventional
Warfare"?  Is it an agency of the US govt?  Or, is it one of those
slyly named organizations that merely masquerades as something offical
and is, in fact, nothing more than a reactionary propaganda mill,
dedicated to repeating the most outrageous lies and misstatements in
the name of anti-communism?  I believe it is the latter.  Why is it
that no agency of the UN or other US agency (the State Dept. for
instance) has issued such figures?  Who owns the "US Task Forces" and
who else publishes its figures?
        Unless he can come up with some sort of authoritative source
for these figures I think we have to accept the "report which some
netters asked him to pass along" as totally bogus.  This is really
"Vietnam Outasight".
        As it begins to look like the US Government (as opposed to the
US Task Forces) may lift the embargo and move to normalize relations
with the Vietnamese government, the anti-communist emigre "Vietnam
Lobby" (like the old "China Lobby", the the present "Cuba Lobby") is
getting the propaganda mill going again.
        In the midst of their barrages of hatred and distortion
against the government of Vietnam, let us remember one thing.  It was
this "terrible" Vietnamese government that saved Cambodia from  one of
the worst reigns of terror any country has ever known.  Whatever else
they may have done, the Vietnamese did Cambodia and the entire world a
great service by driving out the Khmer Rouge - at no small cost to
themselves.  The act was certainly in their self-interest and was not
altruistic, but nevertheless, they did the right thing at a time when
the rest of the world simply stood by and quietly watched the murders
take place.
        I really wonder what sort of political agenda Mr. Chan Tran
and Max Becherer are supporting.  In fact, the"US Task Forces" and
Chan Tran have done nothing more than to repeat the usual litany of
Khmer Rouge lies about the situation of the Vietnamese in Cambodia.
Why?  For Chan Tran to suggest, as he did a few days ago on this net,
that the current Vietnamese govt. was as bad as the Khmer Rouge, is
simply irresponsible and not at all true.  Again, I am not absolving
the Vietnamese government of their crimes, but they are not in the
same league.  To suggest otherwise simply destroys Tran's already
meager credibility.
                        CTROCKI
From: MAYOT09@SNYNEWVM.BITNET (Henry M.)
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Subject: Re: Attn : Pang, Henry (Malaysian Students Association)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:44:39 GMT
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Hi Choon Ooi,

    My user Id is Mayot09 and the address is SNYNEWVM.
I'm kind of busy right now, so talk to you later.

Henry.
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