HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Big pile, subscription question
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:20:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.213619.1@hmcvax.claremont.edu> dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu writes:
>I've got a little under 3 years worth of New Yorkers and a year's
>Atlantic gathering dust on a closet shelf. I'm moving into a
>house soon and would like to dispose of these in the best
>possible way. Any suggestions? e.g., Libraries looking for back
>issue donations, literacy programs,  paper recycling, used
>magazine stores, etc.? 

Wow, you have the same problem I do, with the same magazines.  

That brings up a question of mine: I would like to donate my
subscription to the New Yorker, which has another year to run, to a
needy institution, as I don't like the recent changes to the magazine,
and I don't have time to read it anyway.  Wonder how one would do
this, or if the magazine would change the subscription addressee?  Too
bad we can't forward them like we do email and news.  I went ahead and
took the Atlantic for another year based on its recent cover story on
guns.


-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
Newsgroups: la.general
From: harry@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Harry Langenbacher)
Subject: Re: Motor Oil!
Organization: JPL Pasadena CA
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.221823.29787@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.203623.21312@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>>In article <1hra7pINNf04@gizmo.usc.edu> alan@gizmo.usc.edu (Alan Petersen) writes:
>>Does anyone know where one can deposit used motor oil ...

Pep Boys takes it sometimes.

call 800-553-2962 during business hours and ask them where to dispose of waste
oil. It's the EPA or something like that. They refered me to a gas station in
my neighborhood who charges $1/gallon.
-- 
Harry Langenbacher 818-354-9513 harry%neuron6@jpl-mil.jpl.nasa.gov
Concurrent Processing Devices Group, FAX 818-393-4540
JPL,  M/S 302-231, 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109        USA
From: tsoi@lint.tus.dec.com (Stella M. Tsoi)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: vet recommendation needed in Pasadena/Duarte area
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:27:03 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tsoi@lint.tus.dec.com (Stella M. Tsoi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.62.64.110


Can anyone recommend a caring, responsible vet in the Pasadena/Arcadia/Monrovia/Duarte area?  Preferably one that specializes or cares
for cats a great deal.  I've tried vets from 2 animal hospitals so far, and
found them lacking.

Also, can anyone recommend a pet sitting service in that area?

Thanks

************************************************************************
Standard disclaimers: the above is my opinions only...  

Stella Tsoi
DEC, Irvine, California		
Xref: sparky la.general:1183 ba.transportation:3143
From: bq834@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark  Panitz)
Newsgroups: la.general,ba.transportation
Subject: Re: I hate "Rapid" Transit District (RTD)
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:54:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I second that comment, RTD does come in handy for a lot people
and RTD just has a lot of work to do.
-- 
send all replies/email to my 'main' account 
markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com
thanks a lot! and have a nice day !
Newsgroups: la.general
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: American Information Exchange
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:23:52 GMT

In article <726234605snz@eternity.demon.co.uk> whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk writes:
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Can anyone tell me what the above means? 

And what does the below mean (public key)?


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-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Kitties need a home!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:30:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

I've got 3 unique, adorable older kittens and one adult cat that need
homes.

The kittens are about 9 months old. They are all 3 male, and have lived
with a toddler in the house so they are tuned-in to kids -- gentle, and
will take 'rough play' without hurting the child. They are also the 3 most
affectionate kitties I've ever had -- they love to snuggle up and are all
three constantly purring. Since they've lived with their mother up to this
age, they've gone through extensive 'teaching sessions' with her that 
younger kittens won't have gone through -- she's recently been teaching them
to hunt and pounce, and a couple of weeks ago one of the kittens caught his
first mouse!

They have medium length hair and markings as follows:
(1) - Solid black
(2) - White with black markings, including a 'goattee'
(3) - Black with white markings (white face, chest, etc.)

The adult cat is white with black markings. Spayed female, about 7 years
old. She is not real social, likes to spend most of her time by herself,
but she goes through affectionate spells at times.

I really need to find good homes for these cats. 

We have three other cats besides these (the mother cat, which is our child's
favorite, and two male cats with health problems that will make it hard to
find homes) and we just plain can't afford the space or the food for this many
cats! These are currently indoor/outdoor cats, although the adult cat spends
most of her time indoors. The kittens do like to climb trees and run outdoors,
although they could probably adjust to living indoors.

Please contact me via e-mail or call me at (213)740-8312 if you can provide a
home for any of these kitties.

Susan




Newsgroups: la.general
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Store for CD's: incredible selection
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:31:00 GMT


Karen Bruner calls attention to inaccurate directions given by another
to two Pasadena record shops, Canterbury's and Pooh Bah. That's not
all--their classical collections leave a great deal to be desired
compared with Tower (on Lake), or even the Wherehouse (just off
Rosemead, at Foothill as I recall).

-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM Public Key on server  --  Consider it an envelope for your e-mail
From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Warning to UCLA folks that bank at BofA in Westwood Village
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:01:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In article <ostubble.726280596@uclagsm> ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha) sez:
>This is primarily to UCLA employees with SUREPAY, but may be of interest
>to people who have electronic transfer from checking accounts.
>
>Bank of America is closing the branch at 1101 Westwood Blvd (@ Kinross)
>-- you should have or will receive a notice in the mail -- in late March or
>early April and is transferring those accounts to the Security Pacific 

Yeah, I'm pretty angry about this.  I'm not a UCLA employee, but I've
had my account at that branch forever.  I frequent both that branch
and a branch closer to where I live and BOTH are closing.  So much
for the "more convenient" service we were promised when they merged.

			--Marlena
			  (Soon to be ex-Bank of America customer)




Newsgroups: la.general
From: julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey)
Subject: Re: Store for CD's: incredible selection
Organization: Xenon Systems News n Mail, Hollywood
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:16:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.223031.1156@xyzoom.info.com> rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.201939.4592@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>>
>> HMV seems a lot smarter than Virgin. At the
>>HMV store near Carnegie Hall in New York the prices are quite
>>competitive with Tower just down the block, and the collection has
>>both breadth and depth.
>
>What does HMV stand for, and do you think they may come to L.A.?


	It stands for His Master's Voice. The logo would be familiar
to you. It is a dog (Nipper) listening to a windup gramaphone with a
horn.

	Not sure who owns HMV these days. 

-- 
Julian Macassey at bongo. julian@bongo.tele.com Voice: (213) 653-4495
Paper Mail: 742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue, Hollywood, California 90046-7142
Newsgroups: la.general,rec.music.makers
From: tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka)
Subject: Re: Bands for parties
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Distribution: la
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:01:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.191901.6862@cs.ucla.edu>, gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.030953.3540@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
|> >Does anyone know of any good places to check in greater
|> >Los Angeles for listings of bands of various sorts to
|> >play private parties?
|> 

  [stuff deleted]

|> Offhand, these are the ways I know of to find bands around 

  [stuff deleted]

|> * check out the musicians at your favorite club and see if they do
|>   private parties

This might be a good approach.  There are _sooooo_ many bands out there
in LA.  Many _pay_ to play at these small clubs (and are quite good) ...
meaning they buy a certain number of tickets to the club, and give them
out.

Note:  I only subscribe to la.general, so I probably don't know
       much as those on rec.music.makers.

I'm no expert, but these are places I know.  Note these are only 
samplings of clubs I know.  There are tens of clubs in each level.
Perhaps other netters can add to this list.

Entry level:
   Madame Wong's West in S.M.  (Is East still not doing live music?)

Next level:
   The Central (on Sunset in Hollywood)

Starting to get established in the club scene:
   Music Machine (in S.M. or thereabouts)
   FM Station (in the Valley, more metally)
   Couple places near Hermosa Pier
   McCabe's (near S.M. ... acoustic)

Bands playing at places below would probably cost too much ...

We have a record(s) out and it's starting to sell:
   Club Lingerie
   The Palace

Medium "Big" Time:
   Roxy
   Whiskey
   Troubadour (metally)

If you're looking for economy, weekday nights are better.

For jazz, there used to be a bar/club at the top of a bank building
at Sunset and Vine.  I don't know if they shut down or moved.


-- 
Yoke Tanaka             Togai InfraLogic, Inc.             "fuzzy"
714-975-8522            5 Vanderbilt
tanaka@til.com          Irvine, California, USA

"The more you drive, the less intelligent you are."
Newsgroups: la.general
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: vet recommendation needed in Pasadena/Duarte area
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:17:25 PST

In article <1icqunINNmn3@usenet.pa.dec.com> Stella M. Tsoi,
tsoi@lint.tus.dec.com writes:
>Can anyone recommend a caring, responsible vet in the 
>Pasadena/Arcadia/Monrovia/Duarte area?  Preferably one that specializes
or cares
>for cats a great deal.  I've tried vets from 2 animal hospitals so far,
and
>found them lacking.

This may be a little far, but when I lived in San Gabriel, we took our
cats to Dr. Alegado in Rosemead.  It's on Valley Blvd. on the north side
of the street between San Gabriel Blvd. and Walnut Grove, across the
street from where Builders Emporium used to be.  He was verrrry good with
our cats, and when we had to give one away, he offered to take him.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chad Jones                 | Do I need someone here to scold me or do I
Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
cjones@physci.ucla.        | downward?                 -- 10,000 Maniacs
Newsgroups: la.general
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:06:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.173220.27867@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger) writes:
>
>State Parks and the hiking trails have charged for day use for several
>years.

But not an all-encompassing, yearly fee, and not all parks charge.  I
hike in Pt. Mugu State Park frequently, and have never paid a fee.
Which ones charge?
-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
From: rlm@surfcty.com (Robert McMillin)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Cut RTD some slack?
Keywords: RTD transit
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 08:15:34 PST
Distribution: ca
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

A couple of things I wanted to mention:
1) The SF bay area is much smaller than LA, and so mass transit is easier
   to implement.
2) That still doesn't get LACTC off the hook for the problems faced by
   RTD and the various rail lines.
Newsgroups: la.general
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: *HELP!
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:55 GMT

In article <341110b9f@ofa123.fidonet.org> Larry.Greenfield@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>Help all!  I'm trying to get in touch with jon@wilbur.uucp   I sent him email, 
>and it bounced. Does anyone know if he or his board are still around?  He
>(Jonathon C. Broome) posted here about 6 months ago about his system,and both 

You might try to send mail to a postmaster at one of his upstream
sites; I inlcude here his uucp map entry:


#Name          	wilbur
#System-OS     	Mylex 80486/33 EISA; Interactive Systems 386/ix	3.0 (System V);	C news
#Organisation  	Wilbur's Bicycle Shop
#Contact       	Jonathan C. Broome
#Electr.Adress 	wilbur!jon, wilbur!usenet
#Telephone     	+1 310 438 2126
#Postal-Address	Bay Shore Ave.,	Long Beach, CA 90803
#Lat.-Longitude	33 46 N	/ 118 10 W city
#Usenet links  	batpad cerritos	conexch	dhw68k orville pca54 pride386 rueglu swc uublip
#Remarks       	This is	my personal system.
#Remarks       	Equipped with Telebit WorldBlazer (PEP and v.32bis) modems,
#Remarks       	willing	to provide a full or partial news & mail feed to new sites
#Remarks       	if you're local	or if you make the call.  (Modems are in the 310-434
#Remarks       	& 310-987 exchanges.)
#Written-By:   	wilbur!jon (Jonathan C.	Broome); Sun Nov 08 13:29:16 PST 1992
#
wilbur	batpad(EVENING+FAST),
	celia(DEMAND+1000),
	cerritos(DEMAND+FAST+HIGH),
	<conexch>(DEMAND+FAST-1),
	dhw68k(DEMAND+FAST),
	kanga(LOCAL),
	<orville>(DEMAND-FAST),
	pca54(DEMAND+FAST),
	piglet(LOCAL),
	<pride386>(DEMAND+FAST-1),
	rueglu(POLLED),
	swc(DEMAND+FAST),
	techsys(POLLED),
	uublip(POLLED),
	waldo(LOCAL),
	wb6hqk(POLLED)

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-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
Newsgroups: la.general
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:00:23 GMT

alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:

>I just made a couple more calls.  Griffith Park is in the county but it's a
>city park, not a county park.  There are no fees.  Re the trails near JPL,
>they're very close to (if not on) National Forest land.  I would check the
>topo map and if someone questions you, immediately run for the other
>jurisdiction :-).
>
>In any case, Frank is safe both in Griffith (yay -- I like hiking there too)
>and in the National Forests.

I just talked to a fellow at L.A. County's Eaton Canyon
Nature Center.  I was curious if areas like the fire road
up to Henninger Flats (atop which is an L.A. County Fire
Department-operated visitor center) are included.

This fellow said that the new policy has been pretty hastily
implemented and there is still a lot of confusion.  For example,
in the area around Eaton Canyon, the current definitions specify
that the fire road from the bridge up to Henninger Flats is _not_
a fee-liable county trail.  However, the walk along the canyon
wash from the bridge to the nature center _is_ considered a county
trail.  He said they are trying to get the entire area there
exempted from the fee.

He also said there is a 1-month grace period for enforcement, so
they will evidently not start busting the John Dillingers of the
hiking world until February.

There is apparently a map showing county-maintained trails and
a 1-page sheet on the new fee that is available at the Eaton
Canyon center (and I imagine at other county park facilities).

In all, he expected the rules to be much clearer by the end
of the month.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: Larry.Greenfield@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: *HELP!
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 11 Jan 93  10:47:12

Help all!  I'm trying to get in touch with jon@wilbur.uucp   I sent him email, 
and it bounced. Does anyone know if he or his board are still around?  He
(Jonathon C. Broome) posted here about 6 months ago about his system,and both 
modem phone #s are local to me! (310)434-XXXX and (310)987-XXXX (he only
posted the area code and first 3 digits, saying to email him).  However, email 
bounced.  Does anyone know the complete numbers for this BBS (located in south 
Long Beach) or any information on Jon or his system, or how I might be able to 
get ahold of him?! Please help if you can!  As great a board as Homer is here, 
I am in desperate need of a LOCAL BBS to me (no, not netcom). I live in the
Huntington Beach area. South Long Beach, Seal Beach, Santa Ana, Westminster,
Costa Mesa, Anaheim are local, not Orange or south Orange County.
:::::Larry:::::

--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: la.general,rec.music.makers
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Bands for parties
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Distribution: la
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:19:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.030953.3540@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
>Does anyone know of any good places to check in greater
>Los Angeles for listings of bands of various sorts to
>play private parties?

>I've looked in L.A. Weekly and the Recycler and turned
>up nary a name.  The yellow pages produce a few,
>but I know there have to be countless legions of other
>bands out there.  I can think of a few things to check
>out (notices posted at music stores), but thought I might
>check here to see if there was some great resource out
>there I wasn't aware of.

Offhand, these are the ways I know of to find bands around LA.

* post to rec.music.makers
* post an ad in a music store
* post an ad at one of the local offices of a musicians's union (e.g.
  AFM)
* post an ad at a recording studio
* post an ad at a rehearsal studio
* post an ad in the Music Connection (available at most newsstands
  around LA)
* check out the musicians at your favorite club and see if they do
  private parties
* buy a karaoke machine :-)
From: lancekap@sipi.usc.edu (Lance Kaplan)
Newsgroups: usc.general,la.general
Subject: Roommate Needed
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:07:54 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: sipi.usc.edu

Newsgroups: usc.general
Subject: Roommate Wanted
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usc
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Keywords: roommate

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From: jamin@caldera.usc.edu (Sugih Jamin)
Newsgroups: usc.general,la.general
Subject: Hayes Ultra96 FOR SALE
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:49:28 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: caldera.usc.edu

For sale: Hayes Ultra96 9600 bps modem.
Want: $450 or b.o. (street price: $630).

Contact: Sugih at 818-307-5696 or jamin@usc.edu.

Features:
Works with Mac, PC, and UNIX workstations.
CCITT v.32, v.22bis, v.22, v.23, v.21, Bell 103, and 212A transmissions.  
CCITT v.42, Trellis Encoding/Viterbi Decoding, and Hayes LAPB error-control.
CCITT v.42bis, MNP-5, and Hayes ADC compressions.
Supports dial-up, PABX, 801C or v.25 autodialers or security call back systems.
CCITT x.32, x.25, Triple-X PAD (X.3, X.28, and X.29), and Hayes AutoStream
	Packet Switched Network.
-- 
sugih
Newsgroups: la.general
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:59:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.165426.3399@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov writes:

>Jeez, I'm even a Sierra Club member and I don't remember reading anything
>about this in their newspaper.

Ditto.  Or in the LA Times.

I just called the Sierra Club Angeles Chapter, and the lady I spoke
with seemed pretty well-informed.  She verified that the fee is
required to hike in _county parks_.

There was a proposal on the ballot last November (I don't remember it
specifically) to institute a use fee for Los Angeles County Parks.
The "alternative" was to close the parks.  The measure passed.

The Sierra Club does not hike in any county parks, according to my
source, with the recent exception of the centennial celebration/hike
in Eaton Canyon County Park. 

The notion of not being able to hike on "county land" without a
permit, and the notion of paying a yearly fee to the county to keep
the parks maintained, and receiving a "hiking permit" in return, are
quite different.

How the fee affects those of us who hike in and around the L.A. area 
will be determined in part by how much parkland belongs to the county.
Can anyone give us a list of county parks?

--Rob
-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
Newsgroups: la.general,oc.general