HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:24:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.004431.1490@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

|> >>That makes me believe that Amiga owners actually _chose_ to buy to an
|> >>Amiga, and not follow the other lemmings. I know some of the stuff you have
|> >>that I don't. Some of it I couldn't care less for, some of it would be
|> >>interesting to have. Some of it get ported anyway.
|> 
|> It could not be that Amiga users cannot afford to _not_ be familiar with PCs?

For some, that's completely true. Some Amiga owners make their livings knowing
what goes on in the PC world, and that's OK. Some of them, like me, use just
about every computer BUT the PC - Amigas because I want to, MACs because I
have to, and UNIX workstations... well, because they're kinda neet and REALLY
kick-ass powerful.

I'd say it's more that we can't HELP knowing what goes on - I'm surrounded by
PC users, all dying to show off the raytraced, 20 meg intro to the game they
just pirated - one they'll delete right afterward and never even PLAY!

*SIGH*

|> > __/// ibennett@camaro.uucp  ibennett@nyx.cs.du.edu
|> -- 
|> Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:52:03 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
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In article <jprad.727647604@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>  There are some bizzaro locations on some keyboards though, but it's no
>worse, maybe less in fact, then the location of the caps lock and CTRL
>keys on a lot of keyboards.

The Compaq keyboard on my DeskPro 50M (486) machine has the "\" right above
the CR key.  This sucks BIG TIME, as I often miss the key and hit the return.
Bad things happen from that point :(

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:51:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
>: >
>: > Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>: > and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
>:
>: Because  CD  /  is  ever so slightly faster to type.
>:

>Maybe, but how then do you go to the root directory?  Whatever it is, it's
>another way that AmigaOS is inconsistent with UNIX.

I ususally just type the device name... such as "cd CDROM:" or 
"cd Syquest:" or 'cd "Magneto Optical:"'    

hehe... I wish... :)


>Really?  Then how come PolyShell does just that (lets you use '/' in MS-DOS)?

Well... ever try using PolyShell, then run MS-Works/Words/Excel and try 
to use "/" instead of "\"??

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:28:15 GMT
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David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:

: Jeez, get a clue. What a bunch of WORTHLESS empirical observation. It
: is moronic to make conclusions about global weather because:

Sorry if you misunderstood, but I just said that I had noticed that the summers
had been cooler, and was wondering if it was because of some global trend or
something....

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develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
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From: skellner@uceng.uc.edu (Sean Kellner)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:18:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.110239.24619@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>	Cars cause air pollution, ground pollution, and noise pollution,
>plus a whole lot more. The majority of the air pollution in non-industrial
>areas is caused by cars. Now, we could have switched to fuels that run on
>corn products, which would have been great for our farming industry. Or
>we could have made hybrid engines that use batteries and gas. Or we could
>use electrical induction engines where the electrical charge comes from
>beneath the road.

	We could have switched, eh? How much do any of these possibilities
cost?? Why would any American car owner want to spend so much more on so
much less performance and more hassals?? Say I have a cheap Ford Mustang,
I kinda get used to having that much engine.  Now I get an corn-mobile.  
First, more bucks outta MY pocket.  Now I got one, gotta fill it up. Oh, them
corn-mobile filling stations are all fighting for me to fill'er up there.
Now I hit the gas, aside from some electric solutions, I can't tell between
an alternate fueled car and a Yugo with an electric rubber band.  Oh yea,
and I paid more for it.

	ObAmiga: So much more I wouldn't be able to get a 4000.

>
>	But I doubt GM, Exxon, Goodyear, etc would let our politicians
>pass any bills of that nature. RE: These 3 companies bought the entire
>transportation systems in 50 of America's largest cities, including
>Syracuse where I was born, and replaced those nice electric trolleys
>with GM buses running on Exxon gas and Goodyear tires.
>
>	Don't let big companies tell you what you think. HINT: they lie.

	GM sells cars, if they are forced to sell low-powered versions for
more money, their car sales will kinda hit a slumping stage.  Gee, I wonder
why anyone would want that.  Then GM has to lay people off and you'll come
back bitching about what they are doing to the economy.  
	And how terrible it is for anyone in the transportation business to 
even think of putting some of their money into the transportation business.
Oh yea, they'd be much wiser to spend on unemployment or national health
care.

                                                                 Sean
(notice my name, just like myself, leans to the right)
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 skellner@uceng.uc.edu

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:37:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.215002.23440@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>Heikki T. Suopanki (suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi) wrote:
>: >>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:27:19 GMT, davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) said:
>
>: David> Do you mean to say that OS/2 still carries over this cretinous, two-step,
>: David> change drive, then cd, behaviour?  Why?  Even if they can't learn from AmigaOS
>: David> (which Jerry insists they choose to ignore completely, since there's
>: David> apparently nothing worth noting in it), haven't they at least looked at Unix?
>
>: Eh? Unix do not have separate "drives", everything is mounted under one root.

But Unix _does_ have separate filesystems.  Because they're all mounted as
part of one directory structure, the user doesn't see "drive" boundaries.
But, some commands, like ln, only work within a filesystem, so the user is
made aware of filesystem boundaries in some ways.  Those ways don't include
changing directories - you just cd to where you want to go, regardless of
what filesystem it's on.  That was my point.

>Right, and thus, you don't have to change from drive to drive...
>
>Agreed, not the best example, but...

Well, if you can think of a better one...  (VMS, maybe?)


>zarthac@cs1    \               / Macs are more bullet proof, because the  /
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:06:31 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: One volcano spews more than we ever will?

: I didn't know volcanoes poisoned ground water.
I know I just _love_ drinking water that's got volcanic ash in it...

: I didn't know volcanoes killed our ozone with chloroflourocarbons and
: 	other various chemicals still in use by large corporations.
	"Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines spewed forth more than a thousand
times the amout of ozone-depleting chemicals in _one_ eruption than all the
fluorocarbons manufactured by wicked, diabolical, and insensitive corporations
in history.  So much so that respected scientists now say that a 4 percent to
6 percent ozone loss could -- _could_, but may not -- occur over the Northern
Hemisphere in the next two or three years.  Now, wait -- before you think that
I have betrayed my own argument, remember that volcanos have been doing this
for 4 billion years.  And guess what?  We still have a healthy ozone layer!
Isn't it wonderful?  Aren't you thrilled?  Hmmm.  You still don't get it? Read
it again, folks.  One eruption, in 4 billion years of eruptions -- a thousand
times as destructive as all man-made CFCs -- and a temporary maximum loss of
6 percent of the ozone.  Conclusion: mankind can't possible equal the output
of even one eruption from Pinatubo, much less 4 billion years' worth of them,
so how can we destroy ozone?  In other words, Mother Nature has been attacking
her own stratopheric ozone for millions of years and yet the ozone is still
there, and in sufficient quantities to protect Democrats and environmentalist
wackos alike from skin cancer."  



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develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
From: swssauby@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Michael Saunby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:20:53 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <2187@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
> >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
> >
> >: Now there are more game sales on the MACINTOSH than on the Amiga!
> >
> >: IBM 82%, Mac 8%, Amiga 6%
> >
> >How is it worldwide? Mac is hardly never mentioned in games magazines
> >here in Europe.

>What is a Mac?
It's a type of coat. (short for Macintosh after the inventor, a scotsman)

>-- 
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:43:17 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.160414.27695@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:

: : Come on, Greg.  All that was pointed out is the fact that there is a
: : DOS3Call() function in the Windows API.  So?  Does that mean that Windows
: : applications have to use it?  I can tell you that none of mine do, and
: : they work just fine.  Does it mean that Windows is not an OS if it uses
: : DOS for file system access?  You tell me, but please provide a definition
: : of "OS" which disallows this.

: EEK!!!  ARGH!!!  (thud)
I believe you meant to say *whap*whap*whap**whap*whallopwhallop*whallop*WHAP*
(    ) (nothing in there cuz there's nothing left to hit the floor... =) )

: --
: (: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :)
: (: "Just because Workbench isn't painted like a pimp's BMW doesn't    :)
: (:  mean it's not sharp, elegant, and functional."    -Ian Kennedy    :)
: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Wubba :)

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:42 GMT
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Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
: >
: >You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
: > 
: >Does it matter, Skip?
:
: Yes.  If I didn't use anything but Clones, it might not be.  But I use
: Amigas and various UNIX boxes on a daily basis and the Clones are the
: only ones that do things backwards.
:

Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

:
: Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
:
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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:46:59 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>with custom hardware, you're once again sorely mistaken.  As a matter of
>fact, on such a device, given equal hardware, an RTG system could easily
>be faster than a display-list DIG system.

  This is the second or third time you've said "display-list DIG".  
Correct me if you've been taught differently, but my impression of
a display-list device was something like a vector display, which
to redraw the screen every 1/60 of second had to traverse this 
data structure of vectors.  This is in contrast to a raster display, 
which just has a bank of memory storing the pixels on the screen, and
just shifts the memory out to the screen 60 times per second.

  Now, it's possible to have a DIG system with a raster display.  Yes, 
the program has some concept of how to draw the screen (for example, 
in a drawing program, it has a list of the objects being displayed, and
it makes calls like DrawOval() to draw it on the screen), but the actual
graphics calls just modify the bitmap in memory.  The display is not
traversing the program's data structures to draw the scene.  Isn't
this how the Amiga does it?

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From: miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:43:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.010041.8201@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Needless to say, we all wish we could afford to buy the best of all
>three?
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

Yes, but there is only one that can run all MAC, PC and Amiga software.

Mike Danielsen
From: mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer in `93
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:30:49 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1993Jan28.105236.4306@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> S_SCHMIDT_S@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (schmidt stephan) writes:
>Just one thing about computers in the year : 1 9 9 3
>This morning I was forced to use MS-DOS 5.0 to get some Fish disks
>with ftp.

Can I have your job?  I don't care if I have to use DOS, if I'm required
to get Fish disks, it might be worth it. :-)

>I had to format the disks
>I brought with me ... so ... there is no multitasking on a computer
>called AT ... (I like cli`s ... I also did like cp/m) so I had to
>get another AT ... just one for ftp and another for formating my disks

If you were running Windows, you could perhaps switch between MS-DOS
sessions?  I haven't tried it on an AT, but I have done task switching
on a 286 based PS/2 under Windows.  Also, DOS 5 has a task swapper,
you might try that (although, it may only work on a 386 or better.)
Anyway, I suppose my point is this: if you're distraught with the state
of the MS-DOS world in 1993, please be sure that you're using 1993
tools.  In this case, I mean a fast 386 or better, MS-DOS 5.0, and Windows
3.1.  If you aren't using up to date tools, then it's not surprising
that your machine isn't behaving as such.  It would be just as silly
for me to complain that my Amiga (in 1993) still can't display more
than 4096 colour images.  Of course not.  My machine is a classic A1000,
with the original chipset (no EHB even!)

>... REAL multiprocessing ... (maybe I`m a bit fastidious using to shells
>on my workbench ...)

:-)  There is something to be said for multiprocessing with
hardware.  You definitely have absolute memory protection between
the processes on the two machines.

>       Stephan Schmidt
>       (There is no OS/2 installed here .. so don`t mention I should
>        use OS/2)

Wouldn't dream of it;
stephan(mueller, not schmidt);

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: Roommates Suicide=Straight A's?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
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Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan22.054740.18219@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

: > -----------------------------------------------------------------------/   ///
: > And I've seen Windows CRASH, too...  nothing is bulletproof, you just /\\\/// 
: > need a big enough bullet. - Frank R. Dana, Jr.                       /  \XX/ 

: Wooo! My first .sig quote!
: Ah feel so speshul!    9)


[deeeeeep bow]

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From: stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:47:01 GMT
Originator: stigo@yrsa.ifi.uio.no


Can we draw the conclusion from the previous postings that the probability
of C= cutting the prices for the AGA machines is the same as the
probability of some nuclear power plant blowing up?

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