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From: fabulous@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu (James M Purl)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant
Date: 7 Apr 1992 16:40:20 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: caravan.ksu.ksu.edu


I hear that!  I bought Heart In Motion after Baby baby flamed to the top of the
Top 40 charts.  And ever since, her voice and music style have made me go after
more of her music (I even listen to her Christmas album year-round).  I only have
three, but I plan to get "The collection" before I'm through.
 
Incidentally, I create two of my own music charts, one being a Democratic Chart
(posted on ALT.MUSIC.ALTERNATIVE, REC.MUSIC.MISC., and ALT.ROCK-N-ROLL), the
other being a Top-40 based on radio airplay (of Top 40 stations).  Since I've 
made the Top 40 chart, here's how she has fared:
    "Baby baby" peaked at number 3 on April 6, 1991
  (I didn't make one last summer, which bummed out Every heartbeat")
     "Every heartbeat" peaked at number 12 (or so) on September 28, 1991
  (that's when I started re-making the chart)
      "That's what love is for" peaked at NUMBER ONE on November 16, 1991.  This 
         song also won my SONG OF THE YEAR award for '91.  Amy was my number two
         for Female Artist, only behind Mariah Carey a hair.  
      "Good for me" peaked at NUMBER ONE in January.  She has hit number one
         three times with that song, and is second in all-time number one.
  
It's nice to see her mainstream success, but I since I like ALL her music, it
just adds to the pleasure.

p.s. for information on voting some AMY GRANT or any other kind of music into my
chart (it is DEMOCRATIC), just mail me.

James 
FABULOUS@PHOBOS.CIS.KSU.EDU  FABULOUS@MATT.KSU.KSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tblake@bingsuns (Tom Blake)
Subject: Re: The Swoon
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:46:54 GMT

burtp@aix01.1 (Philip Nason Burt) writes:


>	Anyway, Tonio K. is another one that I haven't heard anything
>from since his "Notes From a Lost Civilization" album.  "Romeo
>Unchained" is definately a step above "notes", but that is no reason
>for him to stop making his incredible music.

It was my understanding that he had recorded another albulm, but is
without a label who will publish it.  (You may have noticed the two you
mentioned in the cut-out bins.)  (* Heavy Sigh *)

If anyone out there has any connections, I *want to hear* that albulm.

(By the way, cut-out copies of Tonio K. albulms make great gifts.  [And
maybe we'll stimulate some demand for a new one!])


						Tom Blake
						SUNY-Binghamton
From: meo@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Austin Lunch for rmc-ers
Summary: hello, hello?  oink
Keywords: food, fellowship, far out
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:22:45 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us wish

First Shot at a lunch.

How about Austinites from r.m.c (and other interested parties)
try to get together this Saturday?

Mar 11, 1992 @ 1 PM
Martin Brothers Cafe
2815 Guadalupe St
Austin, TX

Let me know if you can come.

Miles O'Neal
meo@pencom.com   meo@netmail.austin.ibm.com
512-472-7143     512-838-9780

[Mail to pencom should get forwarded to ibm, but for fast daytime
access send it to ibm, or to both.  Both phones have answering
thingies on them.]
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (RAY,JERRY BLANCHARD JR)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Not knowing about Christian Music
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:12:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

It really doesn't surprise me that lots of youth types today don't know
about CCM.  I didn't know about it until my church got a cool youth minister
(age ~30) who was big into it.  I have since built a 200+ collection of CD's
plus a few odd tapes and records, but most people who I come in contact 
with don't know about CCM, or if they do, it is merely a trick of the
devil to lead today's youth astray.  I was (more or less) nudged out of my
church of 5+ years recently, primarily for advocating CCM as a listening
alternative for the youth group.  (It was a Southern Baptist church, for
those of you who care :-)  

have a day :-|

JRjr

-- 
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia
Internet: gt6223b@prism.gatech.edu
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Don Francisco   -   Re: Dolly Parton's "He's Alive"
Reply-To: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:24:24 GMT

In article <204752@unix.cis.pitt.edu> was1+@pitt.edu (Scott A Wayne) writes:
> 
> 	Hello,
> 		I was wondering if anyone out there has ever heard "He's
> Alive" by Dolly Parton.  Even though she is a country singer, she really
> has talent as a christian singer too.  I recommend and suggest that you
> listen to this song if you ever get a chance.  The song is on her "White
> Limousine" album.  The song is so powerful and you can't get any more
> christian than a song about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ.
> Please, let me know if you have heard her sing this song or if you intend
> to listen to it sometime.  Thanks.
> -- 

It IS a great song.  I've never heard Dolly Parton's version.  It was 
written and originally performed by Don Francisco on his "Forgiven"
album in the late 1970s.  If you like folk music with a bit of a country flavor  
and powerful lyrics to match, I recommend Don's Double-album CD Forgiven/Got to  
Tell Somebody.  In fact, I would recommend any of his albums.  IMO, "One
Heart at a Time" (1985) isn't up to his usual high standards, but it's still  
pretty good.   

Don's special songwriting talent is telling biblical stories from the  
perspective of one of the participants.  The one that strikes the strongest
emotional chord with me is "Too Small a Price", from the perspective of the  
repentant thief who was crucified with Jesus.  Part I of the song ends
the "Got To Tell Somebody" album.  Part II begins "The Traveller" album  and  
features Joe English. I recorded them back to back.  Whenever I play that tape,  
I am captivated for 14 minutes.  IF you ever get a chance to hear this song,  
you should do so.
Claude Anderson
From: parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: DOVE Awards Winners Summary
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:12:40 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: harry.cis.ksu.edu


This is a complete listing of the winners that were given on the
televised Dove awards last night, 9 April 1992.

PLEASE NOTE:
Album titles are in caps.  Song titles are in quotes.
S: = Singer  W: = Writer(s)

I apologize in advance for the sloppy layout.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

:======= Vocalist, Group, Artist Awards =======
Male Vocalist:  Michael English
Female Vocalist:  Sandi Patti
Artist:  Amy Grant
New Artist:  Michael English
Group of the Year:  BeBe & CeCe Winians
Song Writer of Year:  Steven Curtis Chapman
International Award:  Oslo Gospel Choir
Hall of Fame Award:  Dottie Rambo

:======= Song Awards =======
Song of the Year:  "Place In This World"  W: MWS/AG/W.Kirkpatrick
Contemporary Song:  "Home Free" --  S: Wayne Watson
                                    W: Wayne Watson
Inspirational Song:  "For All The World" -- S: Sandi Patti
                                            W: G.Nelson/B.Farrell
Contemporary Black Gospel Song:  "Addictive Love"    S: BeBe & CeCe Winians
                                                     W: K.Thomas/B.Winans
                                                     W: C.Winans
Traditional Black Gospel Song:  "Through The Storm"  S: Yolanda Adams
                                                     W: V.M.McKay
Southern Gospel Song:  "Where Shadows Never Fall"  S: Glen Campbell
                                                   W: C.Jackson/J.Weatherly
Country Song:  "Sometimes Miracles Hide"  S: Bruce Carroll
                                          W: Bruce Carroll/C.A.Wilburn

:======= Album Awards =======
Rap Album:  MIKE-E, Mike-E & The G-Rap Crew
Metal Album:  IN THE KINGDOM, Whitecross
Rock Album:  SIMPLE HOUSE, Margaret Becker
Contempory Album:  FOR THE SAKE OF THE CALL, Steven Curtis Chapman
Inspiration Album:  LARNELLE LIVE, Larnelle Harris
Southern Gospel Album:  HOMECOMING, Gaither Vocal Band
Country Album:  SOMETIMES MIRACLES HIDE, Bruce Carroll
Contemporary Black Gospel Album:  HE IS CHRISTMAS, Take 6
Traditional Black Gospel Album:  FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, Mom & Pop Winans

-- 
-----------  Scott Parish  a.k.a.  parsons@harris.cis.ksu.edu  ------------
"The evidence of God's existence and His gift is more than compelling,
but those who insist that they have no need of Him or it will always find
ways to discount the offer." -- Pascal
From: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM (Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Rap (for Hammer Heathens)
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: onondaga.east.sun.com

>The idea of snobby
>stuck up, white brats, who dropped out of college, and think they
>can rap makes me want to Hurl. I don't want any cheesy Carman rap or any WHITE
>rappers.

ROM 12:10  Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour
 preferring one another

Lets not forget that these "snobby, white brats" are our fellow heirs in
the kingdom of God and will spend eternity with them. I know of alot that
"cheesy Carmen" has done to further the gospel of Jesus, how about you? 
---
Mark Conti			Email:  mark.conti@east.sun.com
My own comments, not Suns.
From: bingle@cs.purdue.EDU (Richard Bingle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Please Help Identify Songs (All Creation Sings identified)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:24:17 GMT
	<STUCKI.92Apr9112307@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Apr9.165220.6187@news.eng.convex.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article <1992Apr9.165220.6187@news.eng.convex.com> moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes:
   In article <STUCKI.92Apr9112307@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu> stucki@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (David J Stucki) writes:
   >In article <1992Apr6.181920.14615@keinstr.uucp> chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:
   >   In article <53392@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5196a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Helms) writes:
   >   >Song			Artist			Albulm			
   >   >All Creation Sings(?)	??????			??????
   >
   >No, All Creation Sings is by AD (Kerry Livgren & Dave Hope after Kansas).
   >I'm not sure what album, though.
   >

   Art Of The State, of course ;-)

   Tom (moeller@convex.com)

Speaking of _Art of the State_, was this album ever available on CD?

The little booklet that came with _Decade_ mentioned something about
_Seeds of Change_ and _TimeLine_ being included in their entirety
because they hadn't been released on CD before, but only selected
songs from _Art of the State_ because at least some of them had been 
released on CD.

BTW: All Creation Sings was included on _Decade_.

Richard Bingle                                      bingle@cs.purdue.edu
Computer Science Department                                purdue!bingle
Purdue University                                         (317) 494-0893
West Lafayette, IN 47907
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 08:50:27 EDT
From: BIG ED <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Dan Fogelberg


    Just wondering if there are any other Dan Fogelberg fans out there. What do
 you think of him? I personally like his strong sense of reality in his songs,
they seem to be very down to earth, and spiritual. But, is his spirituality
 about Christianity, or not. On his lastest album release he seems to touch on
 religion of Indians, as if his heritage stems from it. Anyone have any ideas?

                                     -Ed

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From: ACM_CSA%SWT.DECNET@relay.the.net (ACM/CSA at Southwest Texas State University)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Petra touring?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:54:00 GMT

>Subject: Petra touring?

>A question for people out there. Does anyone know if Petra is coming to the
> _________ area anytime soon?


       Here is a listing of Petra's 1992 Tour Schedule, as was sent to
    me in the Petra Prayer Warrior Battle Plan Newsletter (Volume 8,
    Number 2, Fall/Winter 1991).  Sorry to all the other netters out
    there who abhor reposting, but it looks like it is actually needed
    this time.  This was posted a while back (mid March) on this
    discussion group, along with a couple of messages about additions
    for small places that weren't mentioned on here.  

RAMBO

                   PETRA 1992 TOUR SCHEDULE
                   ========================

(NOVEMBER 91 - FEBRUARY 92 Omitted since its already gone)

APRIL
   4     SAN ANTONIO, TX (SEA WORLD)    This Saturday, see you there! :)
  10     ATLANTA, GA  (SIX FLAGS)
  17     ARLINGTON, TX  (SIX FLAGS)
  18     HOUSTON, TX  (ASTROWORLD)

MAY
   8     ROCHESTER, MN
   9     OMAHA, NE

JUNE
  18     ATLANTA, GA  (ATLANTA FEST)
  20     WACO, TX
  27     MT. UNION, PA (CREATION)

JULY
  24     ROCKFORD, IL
  25     MILFORD, NE

AUGUST
  27     DARIEN LAKE, NY
  29     HOT SPRINGS, AR

OCTOBER (WITH JOSH McDOWELL)
   8     COLUMBUS, OH
  10     DETROIT, MI
  12     INDIANAPOLIS, IN
  13     TULSA, OK
  15     DALLAS, TX
  17     HOUSTON, TX
  29     ATLANTA, GA
  31     GREENVILLE, SC

NOVEMBER (WITH JOSH McDOWELL)
   2     BIRMINGHAM, AL
   4     AKRON, OH
   6     HERSEY, PA
   7     PHILADELPHIA, PA

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant
Originator: sink@sunb2.cs.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:54:10 GMT

In <16APR199216422708@rigel.tamu.edu> nab4574@rigel.tamu.edu (The Lord Reigns) writes:

>I find it hard to agree with this statement. Although  it is obvious that
>Amy Grant is singing to a secular audience, I don't think that she is doing
>the "same thing" Jesus did. 

Of course you're right.  There are obvious parallels, but I've yet to
hear of AG healing 10 AIDS victims at a concert, only to have one
of ten return to thank her.

>JESUS DIDN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT GOD WHEN HE WENT OUT INTO THE WORLD!!

Neither has Amy.  What both Jesus and Amy have done is to stop talking
about religion.

>Now, I'm not saying that what Amy Grant is doing is wrong or right. I think
>though that all these comparisons to what Jesus don't  hold up under close 
>scrutiny.

They do if you keep your terms straight.

-- 
Eric W. Sink, USACERL         | The essence of GUI programming : "What
Box 9005, Champaign, IL       | started out as a half hour hack has been
61826-9005 1-800-USA-CERLx449 | bothering me for two weeks now." -- Matt Mora
---- e-sink@uiuc.edu ---------|
From: nestorak@eregion.endor.cs.psu.edu (John  Nestoriak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:57:48 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

> What I need to know is
>(this is not sarcasm, I really want to know) if someone can tell
>me of some times of sharing the gospel that Amy has done in an
>interview or concert. 
>Its difficult to tell she's a Christian by her
>lyrics because they are generic in nature (ie: you,he,him) and
>not the Lord, Jesus and God. 
>
>Mark Conti			Email:  mark.conti@east.sun.com

First of all in Amy's earlier songs she is not "generic in nature".  Sing
Your Praise to the Lord is pretty blatent for example.  But while she might
not often refer to the Lord, Jesus, God directly in her later stuff she is 
quite obviously Christian.  I remember an article in Parade (I think that's 
where it was) - you know that "magazine" next to the comics in the Sunday
paper.  It was soon after the release of her second albumn.  This is of course
a secular magazine.  She was asked about people who critisized her for not 
doing obviously Christian music.  She's not very defensive about it and said
mostly that she wanted to provide some good clean music for Christian and non
Christian people to listen to.  I didn't get the impression that she felt 
terribly evangelistic in doing this albumn but was rather serving one of the
functions of salt.  Slowing the decay of our society.  Anyway, a little further
on she was asked about what was important in her life and responded by talking
about a ministry she has to teens in her barn.  She talked about helping them 
grow closer to God and teaching them about God.  Sounds very evangellistic as
well as discipling.  You may be able to critisize Amy for not being blatantly
Christian in her music - that is another debate- but she is very clearly still
serious about walking with God.  

John
From: matt@graphics.rent.com (Matthew Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Gospel
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:17:41 GMT
Organization: The Graphics BBS (2D,3D,GIF,Animation) +1 908/469-0049

I'm looking for some gospel recordings like those of the Brooklyn 
Tabernacle Choir and Andre Crouch (esp. w/ choir.)  I particularly like 
the fast paced songs with large choir and soloist.  If you know of any 
groups like these two, would you please mail me at 
matt@graphics.rent.com.  I'd also like a better source than the local 
christian bookstore because of its limited supply, so if you know of any 
mail-order type things or other alternative sources, please mail me as 
well.  I appreciate it. 
 
                                                  Matthew
                                                        

 The Graphics BBS  908/469-0049  "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" 
============================================================================== 

Internet: matt@graphics.rent.com 
    UUCP: rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!matt
From: abrogel@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Music for Glad Acapella? and other Glad stuff
Date: 1 Apr 92 08:01:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Apr1.040118.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

> In article <915@mwuk.UUCP>, tony@microware.co.uk (Tony Mountifield) writes:
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I have "The Acapella Project" and "The Acapella Project 2" by Glad, and
>> my favourite is the first of those.
>> 
>> What I want to know is, has the music for the arrangements been
>> published? I have seen music for the second, arranged for SATB instead
>> of male voices, but I would really like to get hold of the first. Even
>> better would be male voice arrangements, but SATB would do.
>> 
>> Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks.
>> 
>> Tony.
>> -- 

As of last year, there were several things available.

'The Acapella Project' songbook: SATB arrangements for almost all the songs
on the tape.
Sorry, can't find the price on the book.

on its back cover:
'Glad Acapella Studio Charts': copies of the exact charts used in the studio 
sessions, as heard on the tape.  This sounds like what you want.
Price: $25.00 for 8 copies of one song.  (steep, isn't it...)
Published by Ron Cobb Copy Service, Anderson Road, Franklin, TN 37064
             phone (615) 790-1730
They've got an order number for each song...if you need them e-mail me.

Also available:
'The Acapella Project II' songbook: SATB arrangements of most/all (not sure)
of the songs on the corresponding tape.

'Romans' songbook: SATB arrangements of the tape.

The only book that I see having the studio charts is the Acapella 1 book.

btw, these arrangements are NOT simple...I've done a few of these songs.  NOT
trivial, by any means!

A question: Does anyone have a tour schedule for Glad? or Michael Card? 
             I'd appreciate a copy, if possible.
Thanks!

-allen

disclaimer:  I've no association with Glad, I just have the books.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Re: Dan Fogelberg
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:51:27 GMT

In article <92106.085027EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> BIG ED <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>    Just wondering if there are any other Dan Fogelberg fans out there. What do
> you think of him? I personally like his strong sense of reality in his songs,
>they seem to be very down to earth, and spiritual. But, is his spirituality
> about Christianity, or not. On his lastest album release he seems to touch on
> religion of Indians, as if his heritage stems from it. Anyone have any ideas?
>

To me, he seems to be into new-age in a VERY BIG WAY!  Wasn't it his
latest album (or recent) that depicted various religious symbols (including
the Cross and star of David) with occult, new-age, Budist, etc. symbols
saying that all these have the same end-- all these result in salvation?
(or was it someone else?).


-- 
| Glenn Clapp                          |  gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com        |
| Evans and Sutherland Computer Corp.  |  My opinions are my own, but then |
| Salt Lake City, Utah  (801) 582-5847 |  that's my opinion.               |

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Re: praise songs and hymns
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 17:20:27 GMT

In article <107410155@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
>[...]
>Playing hymns is particularly challenging for the guitarist who must often
>play a *lot* of transitional chords, etc. which are in the hymnbook SATB 
>arrangement. This is impractical for many songs, but works well on others,
>particularly if the leap from a vertical harmonization to an arpeggiated 
>("picked") one can be done while preserving the singability of the original 
>harmony by the congregation.
>[...]
>Bob (walking the tightrope) Miller

A few years ago I worked out (on my own) the chord patterns for most of the
old hymns. Needless to say, those written in the years 1850-1910 had amazing
amounts of chord transitions (lots of 7ths). Of some of the others, I remember
"For All the Saints" and "Jesus Christ is Risen Today" as being particularly
loaded.  

My home church, the Vineyard Christian Fellowship of Cincinnati, often weaves
hymns like "Fairest Lord Jesus" or some Wesley hymns into their regular
Vineyard-style praise songs. I appreciate that because I enjoy both
tremendously.

I think one of the problems we have is that we often remember having bad
church experiences and we link those experiences with styles of worship or
even certain songs and hymns. I know in my church there are many evangelical
or mainline church "burnouts" who may associate their inability to fit in in
those churches with singing hymns or participating in a liturgy. Any semblance
of order like that in the current worship may trigger those bad feelings. As a
Wheaton College student, I am continuously exposed to people who cast
aspersions on other worship styles. Closer examination almost always reveals a
past bad experience. Let's be a bit less judgemental.

Dan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Mylon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:55:16 GMT


Soliciting opinions:

What is the best of Mylon Lefebre's (sp??) releases?  I've only heard 
a few of his songs.

Thanks, 
John
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: re: Petra touring?
From: jmalatesta@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:01:42 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

petra's also going to be at hara arena in dayton, oh sometime in
may.  i saw it posted last night when i went to a concert.

izzee