HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davel@ampex.com (Dave Larkins)
Subject: Re: Gas stoves
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.142945.11348@ssd.kodak.com> dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>In article <pwe.702655289@slipknot> pwe@slipknot.mit.edu (Paul W. Emery) writes:
>>
>> In the UK the thermostats on  gas stoves (ovens)are calibrated in"Gas
>>marks"can somebody give me the equivalent of this in degrees
>>fahrenheit.My Mother's coming over here and if I'm going to get any
>>Yorkshire pud she's going to need to know.
>> 
>>               
>Unless your Mum is way out of date, she should already know the
>equivalents as they've been routine in recipes for decades now. 
>She'll have bigger problems with the flour, which never seems to
>be quite right in the US - different kind of wheat or something.
>
>And shame on you for not knowing how to make your own Yorkshires anyway!
>

Shame on you for thinking that a good Yorkshire can be made from a recipie
and not from alchemy handed down from mother to daughter (in-law) for
generations.

I think Gas mark 7 equates to 450F.

davel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: potter@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan T Potter)
Subject: Re: News from Ambridge (was Re: Gas stoves)
Organisation: VMS Engineering, DEC, Scotland
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:21:51 GMT


ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) writes...
>Could someone please explain this to me and all the other people who
>are totally at a loss about what this is all about? Some kind of a
>TV-series is my guess. It seems to have more to do with
>soc*culture*british than the political discussions.

Ceci,

For shame!  `The Archers' is the world's longest-running radio programme.  It
is a dramatisation of the lives of those who live in the imaginary village of
Ambridge.  Okay, if seriously pressed I'd concede that it's a soap opera, but
at least its listeners get to feel far superior to those who get their
entertainment from TV!

What else to say?  Oh, I'm sure others will fill in more details.  But I am one
of the many addicts in the UK!  If you are interested, there is quite a serious
campaign to have it put onto the BBC world service - for some incredible reason
it isn't broadcast there just now.  If anyone's interested I can post the name
and address of the person who has the authority to get that done.  Until then,
you'll have to trust me -- it's wonderful!

/atp

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: British leftist losers
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:54:52 GMT

Rather than whining about how Britain doesn't have proportional
representation, why don't Labour and the Liberal Democrats form
an alliance, and stand as a single party in the next election?
Have there been any polls (!) indicating what percentage of Liberals
would switch to the Tories rather than voting for a Liberal-Labour
Party?  If you apply this percentage uniformly across all constituencies,
how many seats would the Liberal-Labour Party have won in the last
election?
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: political parties
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:39:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr10.003906.10903
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Well, it looks like the Tories have managed to win.  I wonder 
what the effect would be if it was two parties only and no LibDems
(they, the LibDems,  seem to have the most affect
in splitting a NonTory vote in different 
Constituencies though obviously the Scottish
National Party influences Scotland as do the Irish parties do Ireland)
would Labour have won?

But my real question is what has happened to all of the "loony
left" groups that Kinnock has kicked out of Labour? DO they have
any major support?  What are they doing?  Like what does "Labour
Militant" do and stand for? and those other small parties?
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Victory V lozenges
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:09:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr8.190952.10860
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

YOu called for some British culture by mentioning food.  Does
anyone know of shops around the Boston area that are accessible
by public transport where I can get some PIMMS and chocolate
digestives and some chocolate hob nobs?

thanks.
From: matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Questions on the election
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:38:30 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK

>>>>> On 10 Apr 92 15:51:07 GMT, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) said:

> -- What kind of seat did Glenda Jackson win (was it traditionally a 
>    marginal/strong Labour/LibDem/Tory seat)?

A Labour/Tory marginal (though not the most) which the Conservatives held
previously.

> -- Who defeated Gerry Adams and from what party?  What was Adams' plurality
>    last time around?  Any ideas on what this represents?

I can't remember the name, but he was defeated by a member of the SDLP (the
more constitutional nationalist party in Northern Ireland).  What the
commentators sid about this (and I'll leave it up to you to decide whether
you can believe them :-) is that this represented a notable swing away from
Sinn Fein to the SDLP, backed up by a significant number of Unionists in the
constituency voting tactically for the lesser of the two evils.

> -- What was the "conservative newspaper" that endorsed Labour this time
>    around?  The local news didn't identify it.

The Financial Times.  The other two papers that endorsed Labour in England
(to my knowledge) were The Mirror and The Guardian (neither of which can be
said to be Conservative).  The Independent (in keeping with its name) ran
three leaders on the three days before the election, each trying to justify
voting for the three major parties.  They didn't give any specific
recommendation, but from reading the three items and from the post-election
leader they wrote I'd say they were also in favour of a Labour government
(though maybe a coalition one).  I don't know about the positions held by
any purely Scottish newspapers.


Matthew
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From: alan@ssd.ukpoit.co.uk (Alan Barclay)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Simple message
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:47:06 GMT
Organization: iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office

In article <1992Apr14.154104.17609@cl.cam.ac.uk> mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner) writes:
>alan@ssd.ukpoit.co.uk (Alan Barclay) writes:
>                            ^^^^^^^ !!!!!
>>My house, 2 bedroom terraced house, cost me 34k last December. I've got
>>a 100% morgage, but I could easily have payed 4k of my own money.
>
>Any relation by any chance ?

I should be so lucky!! 

>
>Seriously, are banks willing to lend 100% of the purchase price,
>particularly in today's market where prices are falling ?!?!?
>

Well my bank, the Royal Bank of Scotland, were perfectly happy to
give me a 100% morgage, subject to the valuation of course. I actually
payed 750 myself but this was my own choice.

>It sure doesn't sound like good business sense to me to accept
>something a security that at best will be of a little less value
>(due to selling costs) than the loan.

Yes it doesn't does it, however I wasn't going to argue about it, 
I think the fact that I'm well within my limit, and I've got enough
in my account to convince them that I didn't NEED the 100% helped.
-- 
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alan@ukpoit.uucp, ..!uknet!ukpoit!alan, FAX:+44 246214353, VOICE:+44 246214241
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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Driving in US with UK license
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:23:20 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <9204031459.aa03624@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> rgrinter@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:

   The only difficulty in attaining the license now is that you have to have a
   social security number. As an exchange student here at UC Irvine, I have not
   got one. I was lucky that I took my tests just before the laws changed.

But you can get one. Drop into your local SS office. It takes about a
fortnight to go through, and I found it impossible to open a bank
account without one, which I thought absurd (I had several $k in cash,
travellers' cheques, etc, and they _refused_ to open an account for
it).

Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Sponge bag
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.155752.2014@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>Time out for the clueless yank again, please.
>
>In my favorite novels, Forster, Sayer, Wodehouse, et al., I
>run into references to sponge bags. What are or were they?
>
>-- 
I'll guess and say its just that bag you keep your toiletries in.  Back
in earlier times, and in places like France today, certain items like
washcloths (UK: flannels) and sponges (real ones, not the plastic foam
we have now) were considered highly personal.  You wouldn't dream of
using someone else's.  So you might carry your own around in a bag: the
sponge bag.  I imagine sponges were not cheap either - more incentive
to keep one to yourself.

More recently there was the "magic sponge" of soccer fame: a player
would go down writhing in pain, the "trainer" (assistant coach in charge of
players' health and fitness) would trot out onto the field with a bag
containing mysterious unguents and salves, the wet sponge would be
administered to the face, and the player would lift himself up and
walk.  The placebo effect at work.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,alt.activism
From: eric@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Eric Scott Kuhnen)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Election Results
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:12:13 GMT

jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>IMHO, Carter was the best president in my lifetime as he cared about
>the people and seemed to want to do what was good for them. We haven't
>had one like him since.

Carter is excellent in his role as Elderstatesman-at-large.  He is a caring
and compassionate individual, often the catalyst for discussion between
opposing and estranged parties.  But these very qualities, enviable in a
person gifted in the art of Mediation, are not compatible with the office
of United States President.  George Bush proved this all to well with his
tax compromise of 1990.  A U.S. President, Democrat or Republican, needs
a strong sense of direction, a *need* to be in the White House in order to
affect change.  Simply wanting to be President to maintain or increase 
personal power is not good enough.  Using recent history as a guide, one can
see the passion, the *need* to possess the White House for the greater good
of the United States in Presidents Roosevelt (especially the last three terms),
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon (especially in '68), and Reagan.  Generally
speaking, when such a person is voted into the White House, their passion
remains for several years.  It infects those around them, and ultimately the
Congress.  And when the Congress and the President are equally passionate,
the result is a general increase in prosperity and an ushering in of an Era
of Good Feelings.  Post-depression America, the 40's and 50's, the Kennedy
years, Nixon after Johnson, and most of the 80's are seen as prosperous times.
The party is somewhat irrelavant; it's the passion of the candidate.  Carter
just didn't have it.

"Q"

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From: tun@PHY.UCSF.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: England's Kirkland oil make a deal with Burmese Junta!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:17:12 GMT

Following is from a Bangkok Based group on human rights call
BUrma Right Movement for Action (B.U.R.M.A)

Burma military, State Law and Restoration Council, more commonly known
to the world by it's sinister acronym ( SLORC) is probably the MOST
brutal government in power today. Not only they have house-arrested
1992 Nobel Peace Laurate, Aung San Suu Kyi, for more than 2 years,
they have attacked her for being married to British Schoolar Dr. Aris.

Coban Tun
Burma Foundation

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  >From: CCAN@GEO2.geomail.org
  >Date: 08-04-92, 07:22:51
  >To: cdp!synapses
  >Status: R

PEACENET:SYNAPSES
April 7, 1992
(Gene-please pass on to Coban, Asia Watch and peacenet:tinrachid@ibc)
For Posting:
Mr. Maung Win a 33 year old trader from the Mon ethnic
group, claims that villagers from his area are being forced by
the Burmese military to construct a road from Moulmein to the
site of one of the drilling rigs of a foreign oil company.
The construction, according to Maung Win, began in February of
this year and every family from the villages in the area are
forced to dig a ditch 8' by 2' by 4' each day.  The earth from
the ditch is spread on the road to raise it above flood level.
The majority of the laborers are women as the men have run
into the jungle to escape being used as porters and mine
sweepers by the Burmese military.
The families must provide their own food, and if they can
not do the work demanded each day, they must hire other people
to help them.  Medicines are also not provided.
In February, Maung Win says that a foreigner visited the
area to inspect the oil drilling site.  He stay for about one
week, and Maung Win claims that at least 700 Burmese military
soldiers provided protection for him during the visit.
The Kirkland oil company of England owns the oil
concession in this area.  Since there is little or no contact
with villagers in areas where other foreign oil companies are
working, research on possible forced labor in these areas is
not presently possible.
Attempts are being made to find more refugees who were
involved in this road building project to get more details of
the situation.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:6322 rec.arts.books:7922
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:48:36 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <kujhdnINNtd@early-bird.think.com> wark@think.com (Mark Warkentin) writes:
>Here in beanytown lots of the locals use the word "tonic".  Anyone heard of
>the usage elswhere?
>-- 
>
>
>         #                                                      #    
>         #  The opinions expressed are not my own and I disavow #


In New York they use the word tonic for tonic water as in gin and 
tonic.  BUt around the new york city area it is very populare to drink
tonic straight.  Or are the Cambridghites using tonic in a different
way?
From: mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Simple message
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:41:04 GMT
Reply-To: mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

alan@ssd.ukpoit.co.uk (Alan Barclay) writes:
                            ^^^^^^^ !!!!!
>My house, 2 bedroom terraced house, cost me 34k last December. I've got
>a 100% morgage, but I could easily have payed 4k of my own money.

Any relation by any chance ?

Seriously, are banks willing to lend 100% of the purchase price,
particularly in today's market where prices are falling ?!?!?

It sure doesn't sound like good business sense to me to accept
something a security that at best will be of a little less value
(due to selling costs) than the loan.
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Emmigration after the Tory win on April 9th
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:42:44 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <11APR199223593597@zeus.tamu.edu> pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (SO MUCH FOR DEMOCRACY IN BRITAIN) writes:
>I was just thinking, all of my British friends (with one or two exceptions)
>who are at university were considering emmigration now that it has
>become clear that our democracy no longer functions properly.
>Is this the start of another brain drain?

Somehow, I doubt that a mass exodus of university graduates who
cannot spell "emigration" would usher in the ruin of the State.
Indeed, these and similar attempts to raise the average intelligence
of Britain's people, and in consequence the size of her Tory
majority, should be fostered by all who care for her future.
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Victory V lozenges
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:51:29 GMT
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: albion@bcrks63


In article <9APR199208265498@zeus.tamu.edu>, pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:

> 
> All that brilliant beer, stout, scotch and whiskey and all you can ask
> is where to buy that awful upper-class Pimms - shame on you!
> Why not ask where you can get a bottle of Glenfiddich or a pint of
> Newquay Steam Bitter? Packet of choccie biccies would be welcome down
> here as well though, specially Hob-Nobs...
> 

It is Friday evening and my brain has gone into perverse

 I know where I can locate the things I like, but if I was compelled
 to get Yaks Milk, I think that I would have to ask someone.


                                Alan

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From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dictionary of American and British Usage
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:27:33 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <8163@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> sandee@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee) writes:

>(P.S. Is the word "czar" pronounced wrongly, i.e. "zar", in Britain, as it
>is in America ?)

The word "tsar" is almost always spelt wrongly in the USA.  Its
pronunciation varies with the region and season, but it would be
a Hardy man indeed who claimed any US pronunciation of anything
was wrong.
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US INS complaints
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:48:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: osf.1992Apr13.144841.23215
Organization: Open Software Foundation

livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> Would that it were so, but like a few other things, this depends on
|> who you are.   I've been in the US for about a decade, and the only
|> times I am ever asked to establish my status are in the rare occasions
|> when I change jobs.   Apart from that - which is just the employer
|> covering his liabilities - the INS might as well not exist: for me.

If, like us, you have a green card for life, OK.  But (a) 14-year-olds must
get a new green card, which is not new and (b) today's green cards are
valid for 10 years, which is new.  Renewal is generally automatic, although
I'm sure they have the right to refuse it.

The Boston INS accepted my daughter's new photographs, but later decided they
weren't good enough.  We had to pay for new ones, and wait nearly 2 hours
for the pleasure of being scowled at by an officer for 20 seconds while he
took them.  The card arrived 9 months later.  Hate, hate, hate, HATE the INS!
-- 
David Brooks				dbrooks@osf.org
Systems Engineering, OSF		uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Decline of Britain (was Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <tahonen.3@katk.Helsinki.FI> tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.133600.10682@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>
>>Do you consider the magazine _The_Economist_ to be a "tabloid" or
>>"tory propaganda"?  Do you consider its editors and writers to be "morons"
>>and "bigots"?
>
>No, The Economist can't be "tory propaganda"; after all it's editors are for 
>Scotland's right of self-determination to decide its constitutional question 
>by herself, whereas Tories are vehemently against such a heretical idea 
>against the 'sacred' Union.
>
>Timo Ahonen               *  "Freedom rarely wears a tie"  - Loesje *
>University of Helsinki    *  "The more it stays the same,           *
>Finland                   *   the less it changes..."  - Spinal Tap *
>Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI

Actually, isn't the Economist part of the Rupert Murdoch empire these
days? The Sun definitely is, and its Scottish edition was telling its
readers to go for independence (ie vote SNP to split the anti tory vote)
while the English editions were saying the opposite.

Chris Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: The Vogon News Service: 06-Apr-92
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:28:35 GMT

In article <SES.92Apr6171841@cmns-sun.think.com> ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.170931.7249@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@majors.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>       "Can Wattana top his record break of one hundred and forty seven?"
>
>				   - Nick Owen, LWT, at a snooker match
>				     [ 147 is the maximum break possible. ]
>
>Actually it's theoretically possible to score 155; if your opponent commits
>a foul before any balls have been potted, and leaves you snookered, the 
>subsequent free ball counts as an extra red.
>
Aha! All is explained.  However I think some Americans will find
themselves snookered by the jargon that may yet be unleashed in this
thread.......

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