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From: jcampbel@metz.une.oz.au (MR J CAMPBELL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Bore-thru shaft replacement
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: jcampbel@metz.une.oz.au
Originator: jcampbel@metz.une.oz.au

From article <1992Apr13.160157.6801@math.utah.edu>, by c-mt@uglab1.math.utah.edu (Thomas Murphy):
> In article <204783@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
> |> 
> |> Does anyone know if it's possible for golf club repair shops
> |> to replace/change shafts on the bore-thru clubs such as the
> |> Callaway and Mizuno woods??  It would seem to be more difficult
> |> than with conventional shafts and heads.
> |> 
> 
> It can be done with absolutely no problem unless you broke the shaft 
> off right at the head, but this is always tricky.
> 
>
Don't confuse yourself by thinking that bore through shafs in woods are a
new phenomenum. Just go and look at any (good quality) persimmon block and
you will observe the tip if the shaft "bored thru" to the sole of the club.
Club repairers never have any problem fixing these (in fact it is somewhat
easier if the shaft is broken near the head than it would be on a "non-bore
thru"). However when you are talking about metal woods it is trivial to 
remove a shaft regardless of the configuration.


					"He makes walking look easy"
(An obviously cliche-exhaused commentator on Fred during the Masters telecast)
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:36:02 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr13.124718.22752@cs.joensuu.fi> tkorho@cs.joensuu.fi (Tommi Korhonen) writes:

>billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:
>>clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>: GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>>: WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS
>>What the hell is a PRINGLE JUMPER, some kind of potatoe chip?
>Perhaps it has something to do with forgotten terminal...
>(Or it could be just an asshole, but I believe not)

I assume you're being sarcastic......

If not mail me and I'll explain.

Judge Raz

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got nobody now you want my soul 
Trinity College	       |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
Dublin		       |     ^     |  Tell her whatta say Mace 
Ireland		       |    `-'    |  Say no go		-- De La Soul
From: David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Wife's Clubs
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:01:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1172.29e4287d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.165126.25887@cbnews.cb.att.com>, dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme) writes:
>> 
>> My wife has expressed a slight interest in learning golf.  So, I've
>> been looking for a good beginner's set for her.  I can't really see
>> paying $300.00 or more for a set since my wife has never played before
>> and may not even like the game.  However, I would like to get her a
>> set that would be good to learn with.
>> 
>> 
>> David DeLorme
>> AT&T Bell Labs
>> 614 860-2019
>
>When I was first coerced into trying golf I wasn't really sure whether I'd
>like the game or if the game would like me.  I opted to go the used club
>route.  We have the "want ad press" in NJ.  This is a weekly publication
>that is a clearing house for people wanting to sell everything from Rolex
>watches to rototillers.  I just cruised through the "Want ads" for a couple
>of weeks until I found a good set of cheap clubs.  That last line might sound
>like a contradiction of terms, but good bargins can be found.  I would bet
>that your area has a similar publication.  Full sets of beginners clubs (irons
>and woods) with bag can be had for <$250.
>
>Its great that your wife want to try golf.  One hint: don't try to teach her
>yourself.  I've lost a couple of girlfriends that way until I wised-up;much
>more stressful than teaching someone to drive (a car).
>-- 

Good points...especially the last one!!  I think you can find some in 
garage sales or in the paper for under $40.  Your wife only needs
a few clubs -- maybe a 3-5-7-9 irons, 1 & 4 woods and a putter.  I found
some for my wife for $10.  She just needs something fairly light to
swing.

Jeff        wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
From: cookdl@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters - thursdays round
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:29:15 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

Well I made it to Thursday's round at Augusta.  WOW!  What a day.I saw good
shots, terrible shots, and great shots.  I was really impressed with Davis
love.  He and couples were playing together and he was outdriving Couples.  I
dont know if CBS made a big deal of the drive Daly hit on 18 or not, but it was
enourmous.  I was on the tee about 5 yards from him and he really wound up.  We
walked to his second shot ( a wedge of about 80 yards max it appeared).  This
means he hit about a 320 yard drive uphill.  He was about 30 -35 yards past the 
two bunkers on the left.  He is really amazing.  I dont know how he controls
it. We sat on #4 most of the morning and left about 4 - 5 groups before
Sluman's hole in one.  We then went to amen corner and had the best seats in
the house as we were 10 yards from 12 tee and had a full view of 11 green, 12
green, and 13 tee.  We watched Billy Andrande take a 7 on #12 as he hit in the
water twice.  All in all it was  a great day!
From: zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters: Great start!
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:14:34 GMT

Looks as though we're goning to have an exciting Masters!  If I was Sluman
I wouldn't count on aces to shoot in the mid-60s for the rest on the touney
though they don't hurt ;^).  Lanny showed us that it can be done with just
a super solid round of golf.  We can't forget *my* pick for the winner of
the green jacket; Mister Raymond Floyd.  To come in with a 69 after carding
*TWO* double bogeys is some great composure and super golf.  I'm hanging
tight with Ray.

Jerry

ps.  What happened the Seve and Jose?  Also most of the Europeans are 
     Starting kind of slow.  Someone should tell them that the practice rounds
     Are over; Yeah, best golfers in the world...NOT.   Though Woosy is
     positioned comfortably at -3.  As I said, this is gonna be exciting!
-- 
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*				      *				     	      *
*	Jerry Zemaitis		      *  University of Medicine and Dentistry *
*         aka: JerZe		      *  Robert-Wood Johnson Medicial School  *
*     Predoctoral Fellow              *  Graduate school of biomedical Sci.   *
*                                     *  Center for Advanced Biotechnology    *
*                                     *    and Medicine                       *
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*
*	"This morning I shot 6 holes in my freezer/                           *
*	 I think I have cabin fever/ I have to go somewhere its warm"         *
*							J. Buffet	      *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: pat@mks.com (Pat Inglis)
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:49:47 GMT

In article <17290020@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>   greatful if they would share it.

I see this quite a bit with people who I play with. One person in
particular (Hi Dan,if you're reading) has a smooth, graceful swing in
practice, but when he actually plays his shot he tries to over club the
ball. 

The important thing is to relax and take an easy swing. The pressure of
playing the shot as opposed to swinging at a piece of twig on the ground
tends to make people swing harder than they need to.

As someone else pointed out, during practice you tend to give yourself
optimum lie and stance. As we all know, the best you can hope for is the
worst when you are in 'real play' mode. Smooth, easy swing. Relax.
-- 
___            { Pat Inglis
 |   __   =I=	{ Mortice Kern Systems, Inc
 |  /  \[_]|	{ 35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. N2J 2W9 
/ \ \__/ I/|\	{ vox:519-884-2251 fax:519-884-8861 email:pat@mks.com 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: park@mccoy.ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Golf Courses in OR
Reply-To: park@risky.ecs.umass.edu
Organization: UMass/Amherst
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:11:01 GMT

Dear netters:

Could anybody e_mail me some informations on good golf courses
in ORegon, especially around Portland, Beaverton, Hillsboro,
and Aloha?

Thank you in advance.

B. Park
From: thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:29:35 GMT
Reply-To: thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson)
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <17290020@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>
>   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>   greatful if they would share it.

From the words of Tom Kite, you need to "play" practice when you're
on the range.  So many of us go to the range to "practice".  We bang
ball after ball.  If we miss-hit one, we simply tap over another ball,
giving ourselves a great lie, of course.  We're relaxed because we're
just practicing, and there's no real penalty for miss-hits.  

But when we take it to the first hole, suddenly we have "scoring"
on our minds, which usually gets us thinking more about NOT screwing
up rather than relaxing and trusting our swings.  It's almost like
it's a different world on the course.  Suddenly we're thinking
"negative" thoughts.

The problem: We need to narrow the difference between practicing and 
playing; we need to "play" practice.

Tom Kite talks about this a lot in his book:

    "How to Play Consistent Golf"

He suggests that we never just go to the range and wack balls
simply because we don't just "wack" balls when we play.  We need
to practice what we'll most likely encounter out on the course --
both mentally and physically.

For example, try to visualize an imaginary fairway and see how many 
"fairways" you can hit with 5 or 6 balls.  Tell yourself it counts!  

Change clubs frequently, too.  Never hit more than 5 or 6 balls with 
any one club.  You change clubs on the course...so do it on the range.

Something I like doing is visualizing holes on my favorite courses
and playing them on the range (except for putting).  So, I might
try to hit a fade off the tee, follwed by a 6-iron to the "greeen."
Then I think of another hole, and play that one.  I count how many
imaginary fairways I've hit, and how many green in reg. I've hit.
The point is, this puts me in a similar mind-set as I'd have out
on the course.  If I slice one, I might even try chipping with a 
2-iron under some trees, back on the fairway...  You get the idea.
I'm "play" practicing.

There's all kinds of games I play when on the range.  Even more
from around the practice green.  I've stopped chipping 20-30 balls in
succession, or putting 50 balls.  Again, it's easy to grove
that way, BUT we're not practicing the way we play.  Instead, I like 
playing "Up & Down".  I chip then putt until I drain it.  I see how
many out of 18, say,  I can get "up & down".  It's more fun, so I find 
myself practicing more, and playing better.

Kite's book is filled with other examples.  I highly recommend it.
From: cj@al@cypress.uucp (Chris Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf Gloves
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:12:01 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

For those weekend golfers that want a good deal on golf gloves, you
may want to try the following:

MasterGrip
2450 Turquoise Circle
P.O. Box 2555
Newbury Park, CA 91320
1-805-499-1910

Their leather Dynagrip glove is $12.95.
Their all-weather, leather pad WonderGrip glove is $9.95.
Their all-weather Wonder glove is $7.95.

The best part is that for every glove you buy at the above price, you
get another glove FREE.  Yes, that is two for the price of one.  S&H
for 20 gloves was only $2, so I got 20 of the Dynagrip gloves for $131.50.
--
Chris Jones, Design Manager
Cypress Southeast Design Center, Starkville, Mississippi
cj@cypress.com                          Ph:(601)324-4604
                                       Fax:(601)324-4614
Xref: sparky rec.sport.golf:1181 alt.sex.bondage:8427
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:18:02 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1992Apr9.154609.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS

The question--and its an easy one--then, is, are you
lower or upper class?

BTW, I do it for the spikey shoes.  I don't
own a Pringle Jumper.  I don't even covet one.

				--Blair
				  "CFV: rec.sports.sex.bondage.golf"
From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:32:48 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1220020@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>  ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
>
> BTW, when Couples' ball just cleared the water and no more on the 12th (?), he
> scooped a lost ball out of the water, looked at it, then hit it back in.
>
> I am suprised that no mention has yet been made about what almost certainly
> happened -- thousands of Americans jamming the switchboards of the TV co,
> and/or Augusta to say that he should've been penalised for playing a stroke
> when he hadn't yet finished the hole.
It would have been a penalty if he did it while his ball was in the hazard,
you can't ground your club (in the hazard) while the ball is in a hazard.
Thats why he took his practice swings outside the hazard.
BTW, it looked to me as if he was trying to get the ball that he scooped out
of the water to stop on the hill. If you see it again, notice he throws the
ball onto the hill to see if stops, which it does. Then knocks the ball back
into the water.
Tom
From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: PRINGLE
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:11:39 GMT
Organization: CRI, Leiden University, the Netherlands.

PRINGLE is the name of a exclusive wool - garment manufacturer
they make expensive pullovers (jumpers for you people down under)
and other expensive garments, for men and ladies....
they advertise mainly in the golf envirement...
you will probably have never heard of them in the sticks , and migrant  
populated coutries a la US of A and aussie ....
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:09:28 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


Hello fellow golfers around the world.

Well come on and tell us who is going to win this weeks masters title.

My bet:

1  Nick Faldo
2  Jose Maria Olazabel
3  Fred Couples


Note the european influence to my choice. Us europeans have ruled the
golfing world for quite some time and will continue to do so for ages.

What say you.

Al

May all your hooks be the ones you hang your coats on.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley)
Subject: Grip Size - rule of thumb?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:41:59 GMT

Can anyone tell me if there are any guidelines for choosing grip size?
I have larger hands than average (not huge, just larger than average),
and I am purchasing new clubs so I want to get the correct grip.

First, some history of the problem:

I have been playing golf for three years.  In my first year I used clubs
with a standard sized Victory rubber grip and played shots that primarily
sliced.  The grips seemed small to me though so the next year I had Victory
cord grips installed with 1/32" tape underneath.  The grip seems more
comfortable (except that I think a grip the size of a tennis racket would
feel even better) but now I have developed a hook.  The hook is NOT due
so much to turning my hands over as it is to regripping the club on my
backswing.  I tend to slide my left hand (I'm a right hander) to a 
strong position on the take-away which closes the clubface coming through
the hitting area.

With my new clubs I'm tempted to go back to a standard sized grip since
I didn't have the regripping problem with that size.  It could be that
I should actually _increase_ the grip size to overcome this problem.

I'd appreciate hearing some net wisdom on this...

Thanks.
--
Charles K. Foley, Ph.D.
Cray Research, Inc.
P.O. Box 12746
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709			ckf@f16.cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: tjd28@cas.org (;A/3G)
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Organization: none
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:36:44 GMT

In article <92099.083808DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
>earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
>back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
>high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
>clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
>regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
>The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
>give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
>physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
>is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
>see for yourselves.

Your forgetting something here... IRON BYRON makes the same swing, with
the same result everytime.  Iron's swing doesn't change with every hit
like most golfers do.  By change, I mean slight changes, club head speed,
body height, etc.  Just recently, I bought a set of square two's that I
could hit well almost as soon as I picked them up, but, I also tested
some Spalding Executives that I couldn't hit a lick with.  Cavity backs
may not be more forgiving, but, for some people they may be easier to hit.
Just as blades may be easier to hit for others.  I personally like to
hit cavity backs because I like the way they feel, but, my brother likes
blades.  It's more just personal preference.  I do agree with most netters,
lessons will help more than a new set of clubs.  Before the clubs can help,
you gotta know how to hit'em.

Travis
tjd28@cas.org
From: nrp@btcase.bt.co.uk (Reece Peacock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:36:53 GMT
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards) writes:

>I'm starting to figure this out -- a "jumper" is what I would call a
>"sweater" right?  As in: "Basil, you've got a kipper sticking out of
>your jumper."

Yep.

>So what does the qualifier "pringle" mean??

It's actually Pringle cos it's a Scottish brand of jumper/sweater. They sponsor
Nick Faldo, there's a Faldo range of jumpers. shirts etc made by them.

Reece
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 16:51:04 EDT
From: <JBL108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: The masters

Put your money on  either Curtis or Azinger ...........
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: TPC
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:20:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

I hide my face in shame.

I missed the final round last week.

Who won the TPC, and how did Mr. Couples do?

				--Blair
				  "Hay!  I was pouring Many-Purpose Dust
				   on anthills in my backyard, okay?"
From: cnrdean@booboo.berkeley.edu (Sam Scalise)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 14 Apr 1992 17:44:27 GMT
Organization: U.C. College of Natural Resources
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: booboo.berkeley.edu

>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO

Encourage this kind of attitude.  This will leave the courses less
crowded.
From: DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: play/practice swing
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:41:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I talked with my brother over the telephone Thursday as it was his and Seves
thirty-fifth birthday. He had the good fortune of having attend the Tuesday
practice round at Augusta. Aside from telling me that it is without a doubt
the most beautiful place he has ever seen he reminded me of a realization that
we had at Rochester at the 1989 Open, the pros swing in slow motion relative
to amatures. Everything is slow motion except the release of the wrists at
impact. So in answer to your question on how to take the practice swing to
the course, SLOW IT DOWN.
From: jasonc@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Jason Chodora)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Masters and a rule question
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:28:43 GMT
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.sport.golf, oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland) writes:

    Anyway, this leads me to the rule question:

>    Just after Fred had chipped in the 2nd on 12 he found a ball in the water which he chipped on to the bank to test whether it roled into the water or not. The commentator on the channel  I was watching questioned whether this was legal or not. However, he didn't gave any answer to it. So:

>   	Did Fred anything wrong at the 12 and what is the rule?

I think what Fred did was completely legal.  You can do anything you
want to a hazard as long as your ball is not in it.  I remember one
tournament where a player was penalized for cleaning his club in a creek
after playing out of it.  The only reason it was a penalty was that his
ball had gone into the SAME creek further up the fairway -- so
technically he was still in that same hazard.  Dipping his club to clean
it counted as grounding his club in the hazard.

Jason
From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: I need a PGA money list in a hurry!!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:42:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

My friends and I have a fun competition with the Masters -- we
draft golfers, throw in a golf ball apiece, and whoever's got the
winning player wins the golf balls.  To perform this draft, we need
a list of the money leaders (preferably the top 60 at least).  i
haven't seen one in the paper in a while.  Does anyone have one 
they could e-mail me?  Or, did you see one in the morning paper?
I have access to most of the major newspapers in the country.

Problem is that we have planned our draft for noon MDT on 
Wednesday...most of you will read this Wed. morning.  Can you
help?!?!   Thanks a lot!

Jeff        wayman@lamar.colostate.edu