HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kmchugh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin McHugh)
Subject: Re: What is Fascism?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:52:53 GMT

NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org> writes:
>      Franco's fascist movement in Spain claimed state power in 
>1936, although it took three years, the assistance of the Italian 
>fascists and help from the secretly reconstituted German Air 
>Force finally to crush those who fought for democracy. Picasso's 
>famous painting <Guernica> depicts the carnage wrought in a 
>Spanish village by the bombs dropped by the forerunner of the 
><Luftwaffe> which all too soon would be working on an even larger 

The old lie of the bombing og Guernica once more. Regardless of
Picasso's artwork, Guernica was not destroyed by aerial bombardment
but rather by the detonation of explosive materials within the town
by the retreating Republican forces.

Kevin.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: the trilateralists
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:33:29

Well, i'll be.  Even conspiracy theories come back into fashion if
you wait long enough.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,soc.rights.human
Subject: Federal Government Massacres Idaho Family
Keywords: federal government massacres Idaho family
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:56:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


Article 15812 of alt.conspiracy:
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 05 Oct 92 18:50 PDT
Subject: Re: Spotlight Endorses LaRouche, Perot
Nf-ID: #R:1a3k4lINNp7m@usenet.ins.cwru.edu:-919269292:cdp:1299600083:000:168
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  5 18:50:00 1992



Steve, Steve, you make my point. The LaRouchian publications are full of
lies and misleading articles like the one you swallowed. Do we learn
from our mistakes?
-Chip
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Net Police
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:45:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Allen, Charles Iv. (CIA)        3908CONSCC@STRATHOST.STRATCOM.AF.MIL
>                                                  (402) 294-7282 (DSN) 271-7282
> Central Intelligence Agency (NET-CIA) CIA                           162.45.0.0
>                              ^^^^^^^
> To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the
> handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first.
>  

         This is an absolutely open forum. Anything posted to the net 
might as well be put on the front page of the paper. Why is the idea
that the CIA would have acces to Internet such a surprise????????


//rks

:wq
> 
> 
>
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: alt.conspiracy.jfk under attack!
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:38:34 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Double Agent writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <52.X6661@ramona.com>
> Posted: 02 Oct 92 04:29:01 GMT
>
> Org.  : Ramona Engineering
>
> I've been tipped off that someone at one of the main news distribution
> sites has installed a program that randomly deletes a percentage of
> postings to alt.conspiracy.jfk. This program has been running for months.
> Why would some sick hacker do this? Supposedly to make a.c.j posters
> feel more paranoid than they really are when their postings don't get
> answered.
>


Lee Harvey Oswald did it.


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world.
mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars
---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.discordia
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:18:19 GMT


I agree. I think that Discordianism is underrepresented on the Net.
After all, the Net is, in itself, Eristic (there is no governor
anywhere.) Until now, all the Discordians have had to congregate on
alt.conspiracy, discussing the Bavarian Illuminati and the etymology of
the word "fnord".


+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Andrew Bulhak		|       IMPOSITION OF ORDER =           |
|  sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au	|       ESCALATION OF CHAOS             |
|  Monash Uni, Clayton,         |                                       |
|  Victoria, Australia          |        "I've seen the  !"             |
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From: Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:51:21 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Steve Crocker transcribes:

"Less than a half century ago, our young children studied violin and
piano, learning about the great classical composers such as Bach,
Mozart, and Beethoven. As will be shown, the same record companies who
today promote Satanic "heavy-metal'' rock have run covert operations to
destroy the musical heritage of these great classical composers."

Just wanted to let everyone know: Anton Szander LaVey, the founder of
the modern Church of Satan, counters that Metal is a Christian plot to
"dumb-down" the youth of the world so they no longer bother to question
the moral foundations of society as they did in the 60's.

  "Heavy metal has succeeded because its symbology is more appealing than
  that of Christianity, which is why Christians created it. It's a
  convenient scapegoat because they can denounce it from their pulpits,
  while, at the same time, get the kids to buy, buy, buy, when they don't
  buy hymns to Jesus. It's the last great burp of Christianity" [from
  Satan Wants You, by Arthur Lyons--a rather level-headed account of the
  history and historical change of the devil concept as well as the
  quasi-religious secret societies; debunks all the recent urban legends
  such as cattle mutilation, as well. Pub 1988.]

LaVey and LaRouch would make an interesting talk-show pair, neh?

Gruss,
Dr Bruce Scott                             The deadliest bullshit is
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik       odorless and transparent
bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de                 -- W Gibson

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: <None>
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:56:06 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <cortez.718081924@milton>, cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:
> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
> 
> 
>>       Now Marosca's friend, Michael Riconosciuto was onto them. He had
>>       discovered Paul's body.  The gang was feeling relentless heat from 
>>       the unshakable threat that hung over their heads: that letter. 
>>       It seemed like it was being passed on, like a baton, from one dead man 
>>       to the next.  They were extraordinarily "stresed out and pushy" in
>>       trying to keep Riconosciuto from finding out. But he found out anyway.
>>       Now they had to silence him too.
> 
>>       But Riconosciuto had created his own trump card designed to ward off
>>       the executioners. He had set a time-bomb, engineered to go off upon
>>       his death. It was that letter again.  With his death, the letter 
>>       would automatically be disseminated to many journalists who were not 
>>       inclined to just sit on it. Among all these suspicions of mine is the
>>       suspicion that Danny Casolaro was one of those journalists. But Danny
>>       couldn't wait for the time-bomb to be triggered. He was going to
>>       detonate it himself with his planned book: "Indio".
> 
>>       They had to deal with Riconosciuto in a different way -- 
>>       for the time being. But ultimately, the one and only failure-proof 
>>       method -- the dead-men-tell-no-tales method would have to be used.
>>       When Riconosciuto defied their warning not to cooperate with the
>>       Congressional investigating committee, that did it. They set him up
>>       on drug charges and jailed him.  They're now probably trying to 
>>       figure out how to de-fuse his time-bomb so they can dispose
>>       of thi
>>       
>>              John DiNardo
> 
> Oh geez. How convenient -- the only piece of evidence that could prove any of
> Riconosciuto's claims is being held back to save his life. So how will the
> letter be distributed if Riconosciuto dies? Someone has it and is hanging on
> to it under his orders? Well, if that's what you want to place your faith in,
> okay ....

[text deleted]

The Brooks Committee House Report 102-857 speaks quite well to this issue.
After noting the questionable character of some witnesses [such as
Riconosciuto] the overwhelming volume of corrobative evidence is also
noted.  As I read their report, it is my understanding that they
basically accepted what Riconosciuto had to say despite any smears
against his charcter whether such smears were part of a planned character
assassination attempt or caused by a true character defect since they
had sufficient other evidence to support the claims made.

Joe Gaut
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: RE: Me & Einstein
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:01:00 GMT

Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

*****************************************************************   
  Well, my last (and first) posting didn't work so well, thanks to
my inexperience and the infinite wisdom of VNEWS.  Here goes again:
 (drum roll)   
           The late great Albert Einstien was killed by the mafia
           because he knew too much.

And the band played on...(that's what bands are for).
################################################################
Standard Misclaimer:
    All opinions are those of Duke University and not Seth.  How
a University could actually have an opinion is another subject.
The Illuminati made do it.  Coming to a Video Rental near you:

"The Fab Five meet Godzilla!!!!"

                               ---His Majestic Highness the Seth
 ***************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: The War on Drugz
Keywords: not a laroucheite
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:51:18 GMT


SOOOOO, in light of the devastating effects that the War on Drugs and
the related violence has had on the underclass of this country, and in
light of the CIA's messy involvement with drug dealers both in Asia and
Latin America, dont you sometimes think that the whole thing is a conspiracy
to increase the ability of the CIA to make things go their way in foreign
countries while at the same time creating enough disorder here at home to
justify erosion of 4th amendment rights?

or, as many ex-dea agents think ( i read an article by one in Spin, sometime
in 90 or 91), does the right arm of the executive branch just not know
what the left arm is doing? In the late 70s or early 80s, the CIA arranged
a coup in Bolivia wherein people recently indicted on drug charges overthrew
the elected government. Again, I am fuzzy on the details; look up the Spin
article for more.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Subject: Re: Federal Government Massacres Idaho Family
Keywords: federal government massacres Idaho family
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:36:51 GMT

jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
>
>Chuck says they were practicing military maneuvers in a two mile perimeter
>around Randy's house.  He also says there are Hungarian troops practicing
>maneuvers in the area and underground detention centers in the area.
>
>Chuck's phone was very obviously tapped.  So is ours.  This isn't funny.
>

  I was following along with an open mind until this last part.

  Do people really buy this shit? Government conspiracy is one thing but
  Hungarian troops and underground detention centers? Come on...
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Einstein Killed by Mafia!
Keywords: Albert, Hoffa, Meadowlands
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:41:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


                      was killed by the mafia
                      because he knew too much.
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 28 Sep 1992 05:09:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


My apologies to those requesting the source for the lyrics beginning
the article I posted. The original author gives no source and I don't
know either. 

And in case anybody is wondering, I'm certainly not blind to the 
possibility that these lyrics MAY have been meant ironically. I
think, however, that the line between irony and advocacy is in the 
eye (ear?) of the beholder, and it can be a lot thinner than most
people realize, especially with a young audience.
-Steve
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 3 Oct 1992 09:57:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org> (Chip Berlet)
writes:


>  For those who wondered what I do...I am a paralegal investigator employed
>by Political Research Associates in Cambridge, MA. I have worked on several
>lawsuits against government intelligence abuse. My articles have appeared
>in the Boston Globe, Chicago Sun-Times, Des Moines Register, The Progressive,
>In These Times, Etc. I have been interviewed on all three TV network news
>programs, been quoted in the New York Times, and appeared live on the
>Today Show to discuss racist right hate groups. I am secretary of the
>National Lawyers Guild Civil Liberties Committee, and a founding co-editor
>of Police Misconduct & Civil Rights Law Report. None of this makes my
>views any more important that anyone else on the net, but it does show that
>other people have found that it the long run my research has proven
>reliable.

As in "politically reliable"? :) But seriously, it doesn't necessarily
show that at all. An alternative possibility is that these people have 
found that you are willing to tell them what they wanted to hear. I.e. what 
they were previously predisposed to believe, but presented in scholarly
form so as to appear more credible.

Chip, I can attack your abilities as a researcher because I actually did
what you only claimed to do. In the early 70's I became aware of the 
LaRouche organization. My tentative eveluation was that these people 
were not only crazy, but quite possibly dangerous. Accordingly, I decided
that it was important to discover precisely what the beliefs and world view
of this group consisted of. I addressed this question, and did a competent
job. From your consistent misstatements of LaRouche's positions it is
clear to me that you did not. 

I am not saying this because you oppose LaRouche and I support him. That
is a separate issue. There are plenty of things LaRouche actually believes
that most progressives would disagree with. (Nuclear power, the primacy
of the human species, etc.) These questions would be genuinely interesting
to debate. This cannot happen, however, as long as center stage is held by 
misstatements about LaRouche's positions by a "researcher" who does not
do competent research.


>-Chip Berlet

-Steve Crocker
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:21:29 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: lindq@etek.chalmers.se's message of 29 Sep 92 19:34:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.193436.12117@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
   In article <1a3rqrINN3pu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
   |> 
   |> <begin article>
   |> 
   |> THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK 

   |> ......a telegram from their manager, a homosexual named Brian Epstein....

   What difference does it make that he was a homosexual ?

This is an old La Rouchite ploy: if they are homosexual, spread it
around; and if they aren't, say that they are.  I believe I've long
ago thrown out my old La Rouchite rags, but whenever a male reporter
had anything bad to say about Uncle Lyndon, he was called a faggot,
either directly or by innuendo.  Charming people, the La Rouchites.

-30-
Bob
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Power behind the throne
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:01:23 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

part 1 of 3 parts Introduction
   Many Americans recognize the existence of what has come to be called the 
EStablishment. Regardless of who is elected (Clinton is a member of the 
tri-lateral commision & CFR George Bush recently resigned from the CFR) 
Presidnt, regardless of which "party" captures the White House or the 
Congress, America's power elite sems always able to influence the policies of 
the nation from behind the scenes. Yet, even though many are able to 
recognize the existence of the Establishment, relatively few are able to 
identify the actual organizations or personages that comprise power behind 
the throne.
    The single most important manifestation of the American Establishment is 
the New York Based Council on Foreign Relations. (CFR). Incorporated in 1921 
by a handful of AAmerican Internationalists dismayed by the refusal of the  
United States to join the Leauge of NAtions, the CFR's efforts ever since 
have been devoted to influencing American foreign and domestic policies to 
suit the designs for world government envisioned by its founders.
next in Power behind the throne.... Influence in Government

------
techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 02:46:29 EDT
Organization: The Screen of Blackness

In article <1agkllINNf1i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>In a post here Bob Ingria asks why DOnald Phau, in the article I
>posted, failed to mention Jimmy Page buyong Crowley's estate, etc.
>
>My guess is that he probably did his research under time pressure, 
>and simply failed to collect all the facts relevant to his thesis.
>Could have happened to anybody.
>
>Unless you have covered this question in another post I haven't seen
>yey, what do you think of the facts, connections etc. that he DID
>include?

I think it's a good thing that Phau and LaRouche don't know about
bands like, say, the Cramps, the Crucifucks, or Throbbing Gristle.

ljd
heh heh
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: legalize marij <> info wanted
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:30:35 GMT

Hi, an undergrad here wants to do a project on legalization issues,
I thought some a.c folks would be able to direct me to information.
Thanks,
-P.
-- 
-- Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca          |"So I've got this 22Meg output file..." |
Behavioural Ecology Research Group |"Yeah, well delete it."                 |
Dept.Biol.Sci., Simon Fraser Univ. |"But how will I know what it says"      |
Burnaby B.C. V5A 1S6 Canada        |"Well, how will you know what it means?"|
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 05 Oct 92 19:02 PDT
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1299600067:cdp:1299600085:000:797
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  5 19:02:00 1992



Steve: The LaRouche publications lie and mislead on a regular basis. You
repeat those lies and then refuse to take responsibility for seeing the 
pattern of lies that you repeat. You choose to repeat these lies, Steve,
so you are responsile for their appearing on the net.
   I have written dozens of articles exposing the lies and fraudulent
fundraising practices of the LaRouchians. I can document what I say.
The LaRouchians have sued me twice and harassed me and my family. I can
prove any fact and defend any opinion. I challenge you to give me an
example of a misleading statement regarding any factual situation
involving the LaRouchians. Keep in mind the difference from facts and
my conclusions and opinions. I will post documentation for <EVERY> allegation
I have made.
   -Chip Berlet

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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:31:31 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 27 Sep 1992 08:36:43 GMT

In article <1a3rqrINN3pu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

   <begin article>

   THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK 
   by Donald Phau

I'm surprised.  With all the ``rock is Satanic'' spewing, and the
Aleister Crowley ``connection'', he fails to mention that Jimmy Page,
lead guitarist for Led Zeppelin, purchased Crowley's estate in
Inverness, Boleskine.  Could it be that the author didn't do any real
research?  That he knows not shine from shitola?  That he is just
throwing enough gook at the wall so that SOMEthing will stick?  Naw,
couldn't be.  He's ``affiliated with Lyndon LaRouche's organization''
and hence, given that La Rouche is a genius and only surrounds himself
with Uebermenschen, he must be brilliant, too.

Hmm, I'll have to find that article from The Living Truth that proves
that those La Rouchy ``beam the bomb'' tables are always set up at
places on ley lines.  And that the principle headquarters of the LR's,
when connected by lines on a map, form a pentagram, showing that
Lyndon is really the anti-Christ.  And we won't even get into what
gematria shows when applied to La Rouche's writings...

-30-
Bob

``Even the smallest baby is incompatible with the virginity of its
  mother.''
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:25 PDT
Subject: Re: Council on Foreign Relations & Tril
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep8.004003.1@acad3.alaska.e:7683033:cdp:1299600076:000:367
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Sep 29 18:25:00 1992



"Architects of Fear" by George Johnson covers the range of unsubstantiated
conspiracy theories in the U.S. Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American
Politics" is also a good source for debunking the claims about a giant
global conspiracy. Holly Sklar's books on Trilateralism discuss the influence
of the group while rejecting the larger conspiracy theory.
-Chip