From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: the rabid Bob Dornan
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:23:44 GMT

Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way (larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu) wrote:
: Bob Dornan's amazing equation of "sexual deviations" including simple
: homosexuality with child molesting and serial rape crimes showed him up
: for the complete jerk he is.
: 

I happen to be of the opinion that child molesting and serial rape crimes
are indeed sexual deviations.  Equating homosexuality with these deviate
behaviors with simple homosexuality seems to be his way of using a very
liberal argument/technique...  A constant "complaint" I hear from my liberal
friends is that "x" activity chips away at "y" part of liberties as defined
by liberals.  I have no problem with people being homosexual - it is a fact
of life that some people are of this persuasion.  The bottom line is that
sexuality between two people belongs in the bedroom, not in congress or the
military or our schools.  Let me qualify this by saying that strict biological
sexual education (i.e. what is reproduction) CAN be taught in schools -
the question here is whether it is properly taught and whether they way it
is being taught actually exasberates problems like STDs, teen pregnancy,
etc.  As for Dornan, he is certainly passionate about HIS beliefs and has
every right to speak as passionately about them as he chooses.

At this point, I would like to refer to the typical liberal reaction to
Pat Buchanan...  He uses a term like "MILITANT homosexual" and complains
about how this militancy should not be the driving force in achieving
social change, and he is branded a gay basher.  Being a MILITANT anything
is asking for trouble, whether it is homosexuality, abortion, civil rights,
or any other social agenda...

: Dornan resorted to the major New Right tactic - simply project your target
: subject to the wildest possible extreme, even far beyond any reachable
: connection or relevance, generalize again, and continue by ranting on
: about the developed extreme. Then stand back and hope some of your manure
: stuck.
: 

I bet you hope your "manure" about New Right _whatever_ sticks, I'm sure.

: In this manner Dornan has again proven himself a viable pinch hitter for
: Rush Limbaugh on radio. Now if he can figure out how to mug moronic looks
: during video bites, he may be able to sit in for Rush on TV too.
: 

Sigh.  More manure, this time you hope it sticks to Rush?  I'm not trying
to get on your case about it - far from it.  However, I wonder why you
think it is ok tactic for you, but not for Dornan...

I do not agree with everything Dornan has said, but much of what he says
is indeed on the mark.  He presented absolute concrete example after concrete
example of the use of the media (TV shows) to chip away at social values
that he feels are important... In my book, his social values should have
EQUAL value as your social values...

TO be specific, Dornan cited examples of bestiality, mutilation, defication,
reference to genetals, child abuse, etc., that he saw in just a couple of
hours of prime-time tv.  The man does NOT propose ANY legislative governmental
intervention to stop this kind of constant assault on the viewing public,
but instead asks these (in his own words) "obviously and wonderfully talented
entertainers" to tone down a bit.

Instead of using Dornan's examples, I will give you a few of my own observations
which should even appeal to the most liberal Liberal...  Consider the TV shows
Cheers, Night Court, and Taxi.  All were #1 rated TV shows, and all are
extradorinarily written and entertaining.  The actors are of the highest
caliber and extremely talented, to say the least - and often are active in
various liberal social agendas.  Sam Malone sleeps with hundreds of women,
depicted as bimbos (an afront to women, IMO) and sexually harasses the major
women characters.  What can you say about the character of Dan Fielding and
the women he "dates".  Louie DePalma is depicted as a lovable little guy, but
he also happens to sexually harass Elaine Nardo in almost every show - and
she is a single parent working two jobs to get by...  Are these actors and
writers of the shows incapable of finding other things to stress?  I think
so.  Married with Children depicts parents who not only abuse eachother but
their children.  I do not deny the great humor in the shows or the talent
involved in making them up...  Whoopi Goldberg in "Sister Act" is a non-stop
blasphemer - like religion or not, is this NOT an afront to any minority or
majority of people who are religious?  I can't count the number of TV shows
and movies that depict those who serve our nation (gays and otherwise) in
the armed forces as idiots.

To you liberal hypocrites, his cause is wrong, I guess.  Being such hypocrites
doesn't help YOUR credability much, either.

: What's really sad is that these vile and stupid extremist presentations of
: so-called "conservative" views destroy any semblence of credibility. Even
: reasonable, solid conservative principles and ideas get corrupted into
: disgraceful expressions of hatred and ignorance.
: 

Do the VERY liberal and politically active Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson
represent your "so-called liberal" views?  They destroy any semblence of
your credability if you say "yes."  How can anyone take Anita Hill's claims
of sexual harassment seriously, for example, if saying "There is a pubic
hair in my coke can" is a serious crime while doing and saying a LOT worse
and glorifying it night after night on TV is ok...  In spite of Sam Malone's
obvious frequent and promiscuous sexual activity, I do not remember a single
suggestion that the use of a condom (at least) is a good idea...

: Are these New Right ignoramuses the ones to be speaking out for
: Conservatism?
: 

Supreme Court forbid that anyone who speaks against the "accepted" Old Left
ignoramuses be listened to.

: I would truly enjoy seeing either Limbaugh or Dornan in honest debate,
: face to face with [most any other] live human. I'm betting neither could
: last five minutes in a civil discussion.
: 

If you want to see Dornan in honest debate, turn on C-SPAN.  If you want to
see Limbaugh, watch Pozner and Donahue, Donahue, various CNN shows, etc.
Or listen to his show, where he takes on Liberal callers and most often
gives them much more air time and demands honest intellectual debate from them
than he does for his "dittoheads."  It is SOOOO unfortunate that Limbaugh
even appearing on a show like Donahue, sandwiched between shows about lesbians
who like to beat eachother with chains lends such credability to the show.
That kind of crap on TV is an afront to every honest hardworking gay person
who does not deserve to be represented by such charicatures of your beloved
extreme left.

Have a nice day.

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