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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov16.030515.6784@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael 
	Zimmers) writes...

>A moment ago, the Broncos' PK DeLuiso kicked off after a FG.  He 
>immediately raised his arms in triumph.  A moment later the ball
>sailed through the uprights for what amounted to a 75-yard field
>goal.

>I've been watching football for over 20 years now, and I've *never*
>seen a kick like this.  Yes, it was in Mile High Stadium, and I
>believe there's a bit of wind, but -- sheesh.  

>Anyone else ever see anything like this?

Yes.  With the use of a tee, I believe Brad DaLuiso did the same thing last year
in the Super Bowl-- but, those f**kin' referees said, "TV wasn't ready."

Funny, I was WATCHING it...

>-- 
>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
>SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
>Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC East loses!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:09:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.10.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.042424.111667@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR) writes:
>>From: mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR)
>>I am not a woofer but after reading all those moronic posts by NFC East
>>woofers for so long how could I let this one go.
>>
>>All teams in NFC East lost today!
...
>would lose.  There was just too much talk about the NFC East having the best 
>teams...

At least the division still has the best overall record, largely due to
the fact that the NFC East swept last week.  Of course, nobody made a big
deal of that last week, and we surely did *not* woof about it -- unlike the
anti-East woofers this week.  And were we really that moronic?  I recall
most of those posts simply pointing out the obvious stats to people that
were claiming that the East was not that good.  I don't count the "XXX WILL
GO 16-0 AND WIN..." posts, since those are only woofs for the individual
teams, not the division (and yeah, *those* were really moronic). 

>What happened to the Giants secondary???  
>All I can say is "Ouch"

I know what happened.  I didn't post the necessary anti-woof last week
(partially cuz I didn't feel like it after LT's injury, partially cuz I
couldn't think of any other stupid stuff to anti-woof about, and mostly cuz
I was looking forward to _Bram Stoker' Dracula_ more than any of the
football games that week.  Sorry, but no matter how great I think Rodney
Hampton is, Winona Ryder is *far* cuter.).  Well...

NFC EAST LOSES ALL GAMES OUTSIDE DIVISION AND BECOME WORST DIVISION IN THE
	HISTORY	OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS!!!!!!
GIANTS REPLACE PUNT ON FIRST DOWN OFFENSE WITH MUFF EVERY KICKOFF OFFENSE!!
	(we get to see plenty of that in Berkeley)
GIANTS AVERAGE 0:00 TIME OF POSSESSION, BREAKING RECORD!!!!!
GIANTS LOSE REST OF THEIR GAMES INFINITY TO NEGATIVE INFINITY!!!!!!!!!
RAY HANDLEY AND ROD RUST GET THEIR LIFETIME CONTRACTS *EXTENDED*!!!!!
GIANTS STADIUM CROWD CONTINUES TO PREFER RHYMING OVER MAKING SENSE AND KEEP
	CHANTING:  "RAY MUST STAY!!!" AND:  "ROD IS GOD!!!!"

Geez, I haven't even checked who they're playing next week.  Oh well,
they'll need this no matter who they play (they *are* playing next week,
aren't they?  I'd hate to see this go to waste!).

Felix Ling
--
   Pulaski walked to the Turboshaft doors, stepped in, and plummeted down
ninety-nine floors, yelling, "Dammit, Jean-Luc!  I'm a doctor, not a
skydiver!"  She landed with a resounding thump and croaked, "I've fallen,
and I can't get up!"
   "She's dead, Jean-Luc," announced Dr. Beverly Crusher.
                                -excerpt from "Still Looking for Things"
From: bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: THE BET III
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:36:00 GMT


	I'll bet on the AFC as long as it isn't Buffalo!

			Shane L. Bell
			bell@ecs.umass.edu
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Baseball Drift (was Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:52:01 GMT

In article <27000139@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
|> *drift on*
|> If you think that was fun...just wait until Fielder, Canseco, McGwire etc
|> get their first at bats against the Rockies.  Ouch.
|> *drift off*
|> 

*drift back on*
uh, unless the Rockies make it to the world series, this ain't gonna
happen.  And we can all guess how long it'll take for an expansion team
to make it to the world series.

man, now I know why this is a football newsgroup.
*draft back off PERMANENT LOCK ENABLED*

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Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 15:26:04 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC/AFC superiority

OK,
it seems to be that time of year again, where the old NFC vs. AFC debate
crops up. I have a few opinions about this that I'd like to share
with you and see what comes out.

1) THIS YEAR: question whether top NFC teams are so much better than AFC teams.
   I think the difference lies at the bottom, not the top. Look at
   Miami and Buffalo from AFC vs. San Fran and Dallas from NFC. Any matchup
   here could turn out either way (cf. Buff/SanFran game this year).
   Throw in K.C.+Houston and Philly+Minnesota. I think this is fairly
   well matched. But the Rams, the Bays and Phoenix I consider much
   stronger than Seattle, Indy, New England and NY Jets.
   In all the rating systems showing nothing but NFC teams at the top
   we see the result of stumbling against 'weak' teams, which is
   propagated in a total strength of each conference and then becomes
   a self-fulfilling prophecy: play many 'strong' NFC teams and even if
   you do so-so you get a good rating.

2) PREVIOUS YEARS: just looking at one game per year is a bit dangerous.
   E.g. the Denver/S.F superbowl was a complete blow-out almost from the
   start, but this most probably goes to preparation/coaching and once
   you get rolling you just continue. In the regular season Denver had
   not lost to SF for quite a while then.

   The argument that the NFC championship is the real championship
   game does not hold either.Last year Washington was the best team
   around. But the loss by Buffalo was much closer than the NFC
   championship game, or the games before that. Then look at the
   AFC games: Denver-Houston and Denver-Buffalo......

   The year before, the NFC got lucky to win on a missed FG
   Before that: super-blowout.
   Before that: Cincy had it in their hands and gave it away (i.e. close game)
   Before that: two Denver losses, where Denver supposedly(?) were exhausted
                from tough play-off games. At least one clear loss anyway.
   Before that: Chicago-New England mismatch. The Dolphins were the better
                AFC team that year (IMHO) but the Patriots simply knew how
                to beat them (divisional games are always different).
                Who knows how a Chicago-Miami SB would have ended?

Anyway, the NFC has had the best of the last decade, but that does not
mean anything for this year. My point is that the difference is very small
this year, and it could go either way, just like two years ago. (No I'm
not saying the Giants are SB bound).

Flame on,
             Rene Zandbergen
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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:12:49 GMT
Organization: work
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


	Before this thread got grabbed by the Maryland supporters/
	detractors, Satish Nair (satish@a.chem.upenn.edu) wrote:

: Okay I'll exclude my favorite team (GIANTS) from this thread because then I'll
: never stop.  From what I remember, here are some of the best and worst trades,
: in my opinion:
:
: BEST:
:
: Jim Lachey to the Skins for Jay Schroeder.
--

	Assuming he meant best for Washington, I think that getting Shroeder
	for Lachey was nowhere near as bad as San Diego getting John Clay
	for Lachey.

	-keith
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:58:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1ejo70INNei5@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes...
>In article <By00JE.AsA@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
>v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...) writes:
> 
>>In article <1edvuoINNqv7@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu
>>        (Tony Bechtold) writes...
>>
>>>How are we suppose to prove you wrong?  About the only way I can
>>>think of a way is if the two meet in the Superbowl, and the 49ers
>>>come out on top.  Being that you are biased fan of your team who
>>>thinks that your Buffalo's chips don't stink, I'm not going to waste
>>>my time with any other method.
> 
>>Ah yes, from the hallowed mouth of Tony "GO 49ERS!" Bechtold, the most unbiased
>>man to view the game...

>Thanks! I appreciate that comment :-)

I thought as much...:)

>>>Although I will mention that the Bills team beat a 49ers team who
>>>was missing the greatest WR in the league, missing perhaps the best
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>>Because he can't take a hit like Andre Reed?  The Bills knocked Rice *cleanly*
>>out of that game.  He couldn't take the hit.

>Out of curiosity, how did this come up?? I don't remember mentioning
>anything about the hit on Rice. I just said he was missing in the
>game.  What are you talking about?

You offered this in the vein of "well, *sure* the Niners beat the Bills, but the
Niners were missing the best WR in the league" (who I assume you would mean to
be Rice.)  I was offering, in contrast, that Rice was not simply "out"--that he
was available and healthy before the game, but simply got popped too hard.  And
that reflects on Rice, IMO.  Just don't offer that as some sort of excuse for
the Niners losing that game...

I'm still steamed Taylor was allowed to score a TD...but, he's on my fantasy
team...so I can let it slide...:)

>>>catching TE in the game, and missed a few very makable field goals,
>>>let alone excelled in every offensive category over the Bills except
>>>number of plays. I guess you are right, the 49ers just don't have a
>>>chance at winning that game.

>>I agree, this was a bad thing to say...guess we'll just have to wait and see.
>>                                        ---Chet Zeshonski

>Wait and see what?  I don't know about you, but I don't consider the
>49ers a "shoe-in" to the Superbowl.

Neither do I.  And I don't consider the Bills a shoo-in, either.  I will just
say that both teams are *currently* on the right track to get back in it...

>                                                         Tony
>                                                      GO 49ERS!!!
					---Chet Zeshonski
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What do the Eagles need?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Nov.16.10.18.09.1992.3261@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes...
> 
> 
> 
>What do you think the Eagles need, losing four out of
>the last six games after a 4-0 start:
> 
>a) Buddy Ryan
>b) Keith Jackson
>c) Andre Waters
>d) Jim McMahon
>e) anyone else?
> 
>f) All of the above
> 
>All comments welcome!

A big problem their having lately is that their defense is not playing up to
what they were in the first part of the season. Against the packers the defense
allowed 410 yards and 27 points along with a rushing TD. I think the defense
should get together this week and remind themselves that they are playing for 
Jerome Brown. 

Offensively I think the loss of Kieth Jackson was a bigger blow to the team
than they want to admit. Considering that Kieth was Randall's favorite target,
especially when in trouble, Randall hasn't got someone to throw to, who is 
going to be open, when he is in trouble. That is one reason why he has as many
interceptions and incompletions in the last few weeks. He has been forced to 
throw the tough pass more often into double and sometimes triple coverage.

I'm sure before long Randall and the offense will be back to thrashing defenses
and that their own defense will be as they were early in the season.
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GIANTS blow another one.
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:19:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <98884@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
>
>
>
>How come Go Giants is missing... Maybe they dont know where to Go...
>
>Rajeev
>A Scrambling Eagle Fan
>
>

Oh come on now.  Who didn't expect the Iggles to win on Sunday??  They've
always had the GIANTS number. When the GIANTS were 10-0 a (and eventually
went on to win the Super Bowl), they lost to them.  Just the Washington and
The Cards have always had the Iggles number.  Let's see how far the
Iggles go in the playoffs before we get high and mighty shall we??

satish nair
ps: go giants
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: The Bet IV
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:22:15 GMT

With all of the bets over whose team will beat whose and
which conference will win the superbowl, I thought I'd throw
out a more lighthearted bet for everyone to consider.

The Bet IV:

Who will wind up with more TDs by the end of the regular season?

A. The Seahawks' offense
B. The Vikings' defense

I don't know what the stakes should be, although they SHOULD NOT
involve kicking anyone off the net.  Also, with all of the bets
being made, I've lost count of exactly where we are, so if there
already was a Bet IV, make this The Bet V.

With the Seahawks' two TDs last night, they should be competitive. :-)

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, North Stars, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Great MNF..
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:27:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bxvt2K.H6p
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Bills and the Fish....was that a super shoot-out.
I felt that the Bills played like thorough professionals and got
the job done.
Congratulations to the Bills, If u guys play the same way
u may even get ur elusive Super Bowl.

S.H
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: New Orleans' coaching....
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:55:01 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <By15sB.ECt@ns1.nodak.edu>,
sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>In the latest edition of SI, there is severe criticism about
>the coaching of Mora in the New Orlean/SF game, last week.

I didn't read the article.  I stopped buying the magazine years ago
when they stopped hiring people who were knowledgeable about sports
or even watched them.

>
>In the words of the author, " Not to take anything away from Young,
>but this victory by the 9ers was a gift by the NO coaching staff.".
>
>When u are ahead 20-7, why don't u run the ball as u did most of the
>game. Instead, the Saints resort to passing and give the ball

The Saints were UNABLE to run the ball all day.  Rag as we may on
the Niner pass rush, they do shut down a run.  The fact that the
Saints running attack in general is below their normal standards
I suppose could be laid on the coaching staff.  I understand they
have some injuries in the O line though. Correct me if I'm wrong
about that.

As far as last quarter strategy by Mora, he blew the time out
situation.  The biggest problem though was their ability to get a
first down.  Give some of the credit to the Niners D whose defensive
scheme is built upon being able to shut people down in the last
quarter.  Give some of the blame to the Saints receivers who dropped
some catchable balls.

>back in 1.26 mins.  To top it all, in the last drive with 40 secs
>remaining and 3 time outs left, they bleed the clock on their
>first play to only 19 seconds, while they have a super-kicker
>at their side lines waiting for his chance at glory."

I suppose they neglected to mention that in the first game, had
their 'super-kicker' not missed an easy chip shot, they win the
game.  I don't mean this as a rag on Anderson, he's the best there
is.

>My Comments: As pathetic as the coaching was, I should say this.
>
>The Saints are chokers when it comes to the 9ers... They just
>plain choke and that's it......what else can one say here.
>I should say that I have more sympathy for the Saints than for
>the 9ers....but Championship Caliber teams like the 9ers do
>NOT choke in big games.  And that is what seperates the men
>from the boys.

That was too damn good of a football game to claim that one side
'choked'.  Suppose Young is a little off on his pass to Brent Jones,
Ar Jerry decides to call a holding on that play?  That game was
going to go either way.  The Saints got beat by a good football
team, they didn't choke.

Mike

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:02:08 GMT

In article <BxzCr9.J06@rice.edu> carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne) writes:

>Despite the fact that the Bills haven't won the Super Bowl, they do have one thing on the NFC "gods" you worship, consistency over several years.
>After XXV - Bills, kicked butt next year.  Giants, whats a football?
>After XXVI - Bills, currently first in AFC.  Redskins, struggling for wildcard
>Some NFC teams, eh?

So WHAT?  You're saying that the Bills have been the most consistent (good)
team in the league.  This means nothing in terms of the proposed NFC
dominance.

And get a grip -- no one is calling the NFC teams "Gods".  There merely
appears to be a core group of teams who informally rotate to the top
of the conference and smear the AFC contender.

Even if the Bills win the Big Dance this year (which I doubt), the NFC will
still have won 10 of the past 12.  That, son, is dominance.

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Dallas...
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:43:20 GMT

In article 95t@abode.ttank.com, eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
 
> Being that I live in L.A. County, I think that I get a much heartier helping
> of Ram news than you do. So I was wrong about a prediction, who cares now? But
> unless you are on the Ram mailing list or something or get the local sports
> paper down there do you think you know more about the Rams than I do?
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 		Internet: eric@abode.ttank.com
> 		    uucp: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wvus!abode!eric
> 

Well Eric, FYI:

A. I am on the Ram mailing list...
B. We have a gentleman who types just about every article about the Rams from the
Orange County Register for us...
C. I subscribe to RAMPAGES...
D. I have been a die-hard (one needs to be) Rams fan for 25 years...
E. I can name every player on their roster if given the number...
F. I have seen EVERY RAM GAME for the last 5 years (either on TV, by sattelite, or
in person)...

Do you think you know more about the Rams than I do?

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Motorola, Incorporated         | Although they should be...
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC debate
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:40:05 GMT

In article <17554@pitt.UUCP> wjtomer@cs.pitt.edu (Bill Tomer) writes:
>It seems to me that to have any real statistical basis one must take all
>the games played between the conferences.  Not just the >Super Bowl.
>All the current argument is proving is that the best NFC team is beating
>the beset AFC team when it counts.  This does not hold much water when
>talking about conferences as a whole.  Let see some stats on the AFC
>vas.
>the NFC so far this season.  Ibelieve that last week the AFC was
>undefeated.  
>
>I would do the investigation, but being here in Israel I have difficulty
>getting to  relevant sporting information.
>
>BilL
>-- 
>William Tomer       :			  
>224 Alumni Hall     :	 I want to be just like you when I grow up!  
>U. of Pittsburgh    :          Maybe a little taller though.
>wjtomer@cs.pitt.edu :

This file does not include 1991 season since it was compiled last year.

Compiled by: v106nm43@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kenneth J Ruggiero)

The AFC is 494-442-8 vs the NFC since the merger.  

AFC TEAMS VS NFC SINCE 1970             NFC TEAMS VS AFC SINCE 1970
East	Dolphins    .797              	East 	Cowboys	    .618	
West	Raiders     .669                East    Redskins    .580
Cent	Steelers    .634                West    49ers       .573
Cent	Bengals     .592                East    Eagles      .565
West	Broncos     .553                West    Rams        .562
West	Seahawks    .542                East    Giants      .517
Cent	Browns      .521                Cent    Vikings     .500
West	Chargers    .492                East    Cardinals   .460
West	Chiefs      .483                Cent    Bears       .451
East	Jets        .439                Cent    Lions       .390
East	Colts       .437                West    Saints      .375
Cent	Oilers      .404                West    Falcons     .342
East	Bills       .402                Cent    Packers     .321
East	Patriots    .400                Cent    Buccaneers  .275


Chew on it for awhile.  

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace

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