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Info-Hams Digest            Tue, 15 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1316

Today's Topics:
                              2 m range
                          \Dayton Hamvention
                    Code-Free HF Licence comments
                         Crystal Radio Kits?
                      DX Etiquette (an oxymoron)
                          HELP working AO-21
                           Longwires at VHF
                 Returned mail: Host unknown (2 msgs)
                          scanner news group
                        University Ham Classes

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Date: 15 Dec 92 14:10:31 GMT
From: swrinde!gatech!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: 2 m range
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec14.200026.13802@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> little@nuts2u.enet.dec.com (nuts2u::little) writes:
>"dwilson@s850.mwc.EDU (David L. Wilson)" writes:
>
>>In actuality, the line-of-sight horizon in miles is about 1.22
>>times the square root of the height in feet.  This was used to
>
>Well I know that is the textbook answer, but it's not very close to
>reality.  Given a little power and some beam antennas, it's pretty easy to
>work distances out to 250 miles or more with great regularity at antenna
>heights much less than the table predicts.  

Yes, this is forward scatter, and on some occasions tropo ducting.
Forward scatter is very reliable if you have enough power, and
ducts are very common in some locations. Pure LOS will perform
nicely with low powered stations, even rubber ducky equipped HTs.
To do forward scatter, you need some real ERP, 1000 watts or better
for most paths. That's a 100 watt amp and a 10 db or better beam. 
I work into NC and FLA routinely with a D1010 and a KLM40CX at
70 feet on the 432.090 MHz East Coast Net. That's a span of over
350 miles about my location. Now the signals are often weak but
copyable.

On the other hand, during a good two meter duct opening, I worked
over 800 miles with a 10 watt FM rig and a 1/4 wave vertical at
40 feet. I worked stations in New Orleans, Atlanta, and Kansas City
from my location in Kentucky. Most of the stations I contacted 
thought I was a local with full scale signals.

Now the best LOS I work is between two TV transmitter sites, one
in Atlanta Georgia where our repeater is located, and the other on a
mountaintop north of Montgomery Alabama. The transmitter engineer at 
that site runs low power, but his vertical is mounted near the top
of the tower at about 3100 MSL. He's full quieting into the repeater 
on our tower located at 1970 MSL. That's over 100 miles. Theory says
that 122 miles is maximum LOS between the two sites. Note that tower
height, or AGL height, is important, but HAAT, Height Above Average
Terrain, is the real criteria. So if you're on a mountaintop, your
tower doesn't have to be as tall.

Gary KE4ZV

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:53:30 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mojo.eng.umd.edu!chuck@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: \Dayton Hamvention
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec15.033420.11528@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel) writes:
>
>The Dayton Hamvention is April 23, 24, 25 1993.

Yeah, but where?  Isn't the Hara arena being torn down, or something?

73,

Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
chuck@eng.umd.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:33:02 GMT
From: walter!porthos!dancer!whs70@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Code-Free HF Licence comments
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <9212141811.aa05424@ingate.microsoft.COM> a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>RSGB report for Dec 13th said:
>There has been a very encouraging response to the request in the December's
>RadCom and via GB2RS for Radio Amateur's views on a UK class of HF licence
>which does not require a Morse qualification. Anyone who has not yet responded
>may wish to read the article A Code-Free HF Licence on page 7 of the December
>edition of RadCom. Comments should be sent to: The RSGB HF Committee via RSGB
>HQ, Lambda House, Cranborne Road, Potters Bar, Herts EN6 3JE.
>
>Hmmm, a lot of people are writting in. I wonder what they're saying!
>73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com

Would it be possible for someone that has a copy of the December
RadCom to post a copy of the ariticle form page 7 for all of us to
see?

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Date: 15 Dec 92 14:26:36 GMT
From: swrinde!gatech!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Crystal Radio Kits?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec14.155918.24956@microware.com> johnl@microware.com (John Lengeling) writes:
>Is it possible to receive something other than AM on a crystal radio?

Well yes, no, and maybe. You can slope detect FM if you use very loose
coupling so that there's enough slope to detect. Now the crystal is
still responding to AM, but it's AM *you* generated in your high Q
tank. So is that receiving other than AM? Well, like I said, yes, no,
and maybe. It depends on how you define it.

Gary KE4ZV

------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 92 14:23:33 GMT
From: swrinde!gatech!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: DX Etiquette (an oxymoron)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec15.021646.22006@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> lkay@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (leonard kay) writes:
>
>Hey - ham radio is a great hobby. I'm tired of DXers and their 'inconsiderate'
>operating habits getting the short end of the stick all the time. If I
>want to, I can poke fun and insult *every* specialty in the hobby. But I
>don't. I'm too busy chasing DX. And teaching my friends and children a hell
>of a lot about geography. So LAY OFF.

Methinks he doth protest too much. :-)

Gary KE4ZV

------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 92 13:45:17 GMT
From: swrinde!gatech!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: HELP working AO-21
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <Bz9nzs.9sB@hfglobe.intel.com> labelle@hfglobe.intel.com (George La Belle) writes:
>
>	Also, the last few days, a woman speaking a foreign language
>	(seemingly stored in the bird) has been broadcasting thru some of
>	the best part of the pass! What the heck is that?

According to Space News, that's get well wishes for one of the hams,
YT3MV, who designed the S band equipment on AO-16 and Dove. He was in a 
bad car crash and is laid up in the hospital. There are also other
announcements on the bird from time to time. 

Gary KE4ZV

------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 92 14:15:53 GMT
From: swrinde!gatech!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Longwires at VHF
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <14570558@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
>>6 wavelengths per leg works out to something like 180 feet from
>>end to end.
>
>Of course, I meant to say "rotatable"
>
>>AL N1AL

Six wavelengths at channel 2 is about 108 feet, and at channel 13 about
24 feet. Rotating a rhombic for the lower part of the band would be
a challenge, but at the high end it's doable. A Vee beam would be
easier, and nearly as good.

Gary KE4ZV

------------------------------

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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 14 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1309

Today's Topics:
                           2m rig in Europe
            Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
                    Highest frequency modem chips
                       IRF 511 as RF Power Amp
                 Need docs on Butternut trap vertical
            WANTED: Morse training software for Macintosh

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Date: 14 Dec 92 10:20:15 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: 2m rig in Europe
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Depending on rig Frequencies may be a problem. Remeber UK is on 25Khz
US on 15. Also Kevin Purcell says no one uses CTSS in Europe. Well
that is changing. Some UK 70cms repeaters now have sub-audio CTSS
fitted which changes the way they operate. I guess 2m ones may soon
aquire this. Dave G4UGM

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 92 11:45:37 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In Info-Hams Digest V92 #1308 Jerry S. Weiss writes: 

>You just switch between cycles to keep the noise low.  The more cycles that
>conduct (averaged over time) cause the bulbs to burn brighter.  Just adjust
>the duty cycle to vary the amount of light.  There are probably some glue
>chips around designed to implement this cheaply.  You get more discrete
>changes this way, but the noise reduction is worth the additional circuity.

This'll work, but the resultant flicker is quite unpleasant.
Think about it: suppose you wanted to cut a bulb down to half-
brightness using this method. Then you'd want to remove every
second cycle completely to cut the power to the bulb. You can
actually try this by sticking a diode in the live feed to the
bulb. As you'll see, the bulb flickers noticeably. Given that the
US electricity supply is 60 Hz, as against 50 Hz here in Ireland,
the flicker will be much less noticeable down to half power, but
once the number of on-cycles falls to less than 24 per second,
you'll no longer have a smooth dimming effect.
   Cheers,
   Simon Woodworth.

=================================================================
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Motorola (Ireland) Ltd.,        |  Don't blame my employers
Cork, Ireland.                  |  for anything I say! :-)
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:52:47 GMT
From: gumby!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!fs1.ee.ubc.ca!johni@yale.arpa
Subject: Highest frequency modem chips
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Hi, I am a control guy but I like to built some neat communication gadgets. 
Would anyone tell a fellow techie (albeit from the other side of the
engineering world) this vital piece of info?

  What are the highest frequency (either carrier or bit) modem chips that 
  you know of?

Please send replies to me.  I will summarize to the net if there are enough 
responses.  Thanks in advance.

John Ip

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:14:37 -0000
From: pipex!warwick!warwick!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: IRF 511 as RF Power Amp
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

If you do have problems driving the FETs, it might be worth considering an
emitter-follower type driver. In particular, the complimentary em-foll.
pair seems like an effective driver for capacitive loads. It's perhaps
easiest to think in terms of operating the FET as a switch, and driving it
between being fully off and saturated. Due to the large capacitance at the
input you will want a low impedance driver to ensure adequate switching speed,
which is where the follower circuit comes in. Although I have no experience
with the IRF511, I have used this technique with an RF FET at 50 MHz, and it's
worked fine. If you have access to it, Motorola Applications Note AR-141,
found in the RF data book, gives useful info on this idea.
The above of course only applies to non-linear amps., as I'm assuming
you'll be using it for CW.

Good luck,

Simon G0GWA.

------------------------------

Date: 13 Dec 92 06:41:03 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel!rat!mimbres.cs.unm.edu!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!olesun!gcouger@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Need docs on Butternut trap vertical
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I picked up a Butternut trap vertical at a ham fest with
no documetation. I will be glad to pay cost of copying and
postage.
Thanks
Gordon
Gordon Couger
AB5Dg   Agriculture Engineering Oklahoma State University
gcouger@olesun.agen.okstate.edu 405-744-6514 day 744-2794 evenings   

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:58:48 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!stickler@uunet.uu.net
Subject: WANTED: Morse training software for Macintosh
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Does anyone know of a Morse Code training program for the
Macintosh that can be used for increasing speed, etc.?

I learned Morse using a program called SuperMorse for the PC,
which is a fantastic program -- however I no longer have
convenient access to a PC to use it, and would like to use
some form of software to increase my speed.


Any help will be greatly appreciated.



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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 14 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1309

Today's Topics:
                           2m rig in Europe
            Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
                    Highest frequency modem chips
                       IRF 511 as RF Power Amp
                 Need docs on Butternut trap vertical
            WANTED: Morse training software for Macintosh

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----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 92 10:20:15 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: 2m rig in Europe
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Depending on rig Frequencies may be a problem. Remeber UK is on 25Khz
US on 15. Also Kevin Purcell says no one uses CTSS in Europe. Well
that is changing. Some UK 70cms repeaters now have sub-audio CTSS
fitted which changes the way they operate. I guess 2m ones may soon
aquire this. Dave G4UGM

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 92 11:45:37 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In Info-Hams Digest V92 #1308 Jerry S. Weiss writes: 

>You just switch between cycles to keep the noise low.  The more cycles that
>conduct (averaged over time) cause the bulbs to burn brighter.  Just adjust
>the duty cycle to vary the amount of light.  There are probably some glue
>chips around designed to implement this cheaply.  You get more discrete
>changes this way, but the noise reduction is worth the additional circuity.

This'll work, but the resultant flicker is quite unpleasant.
Think about it: suppose you wanted to cut a bulb down to half-
brightness using this method. Then you'd want to remove every
second cycle completely to cut the power to the bulb. You can
actually try this by sticking a diode in the live feed to the
bulb. As you'll see, the bulb flickers noticeably. Given that the
US electricity supply is 60 Hz, as against 50 Hz here in Ireland,
the flicker will be much less noticeable down to half power, but
once the number of on-cycles falls to less than 24 per second,
you'll no longer have a smooth dimming effect.
   Cheers,
   Simon Woodworth.

=================================================================
Simon Woodworth.                |  woods@glas.rtsg.mot.com
Motorola (Ireland) Ltd.,        |  Don't blame my employers
Cork, Ireland.                  |  for anything I say! :-)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"No matter where you go, there you are!"
- USS Excelsior bridge dedication plaque.
=================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:52:47 GMT
From: gumby!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!fs1.ee.ubc.ca!johni@yale.arpa
Subject: Highest frequency modem chips
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Hi, I am a control guy but I like to built some neat communication gadgets. 
Would anyone tell a fellow techie (albeit from the other side of the
engineering world) this vital piece of info?

  What are the highest frequency (either carrier or bit) modem chips that 
  you know of?

Please send replies to me.  I will summarize to the net if there are enough 
responses.  Thanks in advance.

John Ip

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:14:37 -0000
From: pipex!warwick!warwick!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: IRF 511 as RF Power Amp
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

If you do have problems driving the FETs, it might be worth considering an
emitter-follower type driver. In particular, the complimentary em-foll.
pair seems like an effective driver for capacitive loads. It's perhaps
easiest to think in terms of operating the FET as a switch, and driving it
between being fully off and saturated. Due to the large capacitance at the
input you will want a low impedance driver to ensure adequate switching speed,
which is where the follower circuit comes in. Although I have no experience
with the IRF511, I have used this technique with an RF FET at 50 MHz, and it's
worked fine. If you have access to it, Motorola Applications Note AR-141,
found in the RF data book, gives useful info on this idea.
The above of course only applies to non-linear amps., as I'm assuming
you'll be using it for CW.

Good luck,

Simon G0GWA.

------------------------------

Date: 13 Dec 92 06:41:03 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel!rat!mimbres.cs.unm.edu!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!olesun!gcouger@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Need docs on Butternut trap vertical
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I picked up a Butternut trap vertical at a ham fest with
no documetation. I will be glad to pay cost of copying and
postage.
Thanks
Gordon
Gordon Couger
AB5Dg   Agriculture Engineering Oklahoma State University
gcouger@olesun.agen.okstate.edu 405-744-6514 day 744-2794 evenings   

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:58:48 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!stickler@uunet.uu.net
Subject: WANTED: Morse training software for Macintosh
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Does anyone know of a Morse Code training program for the
Macintosh that can be used for increasing speed, etc.?

I learned Morse using a program called SuperMorse for the PC,
which is a fantastic program -- however I no longer have
convenient access to a PC to use it, and would like to use
some form of software to increase my speed.


Any help will be greatly appreciated.



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
  Patrick M. Stickler  KC4YYY, OH2LUV    The comments contained herein
  WSOY - Information Systems Division    do not necessarily reflect the
  Helsinki, FINLAND    (psti@wsoy.fi)    official views of my employer.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

------------------------------

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******************************

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:22:27 GMT
From: walter!porthos!dancer!whs70@uunet.uu.net
Subject: scanner news group
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <n_k2vhg@rpi.edu> mellob@rpi.edu writes:
>
>
>> From: LAPORTEJ@wl.aecl.CA
>> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>> Subject: Scanner news group
>> Date: 14 Dec 92 17:50:31 GMT
>> Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
>> Lines: 9
>> Message-ID: <01GSB1GZV2SY95NNDC@wl.aecl.ca>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
>> Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu
>
>> I recently saw reference to a news group alt.radio.scanner.
>> I have no access to this group it seems. There is no such listing
>> for this newsgroup on my system. I have full Internet capability
>> ie FTP /Telcom etc. Can anyone advise if this group exist?
>> Is it archived on a machine I can FTP to? Who may be the moderator?
>> Who could I e-maul inquiries to? Tnx for any help in advance.
>> As this is outside the scope of this digest possibly the best would 
>> be to respond via e-mail to Laportej@wl.aecl.ca .I do read the disgest
>> for this newsgroup daily..
>
> I think everybody wouldbe interested in this info and i know I would,
>	I apparently do not have the option to subscribe to alt.radio.scanner 		         either. So please POST it if you GOT it.

Yes it does exist, it is an unmoderated newsgroup, but that is all
I know about it.  It is available at my site (gateway), but you'd
best check with someone at your site as to how to get it or why
it isn't available where you are.  

I do know that some sites/companies do not accept alt... groups at
all, which could be some of the problem in the distribution, but
that's totally out of my area of knowledge.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:14:56 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ecn.purdue.edu!davy@purdue.edu
Subject: University Ham Classes
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I'd like to know if there are any universities and/or colleges out there
that offer *for-credit* classes in amateur radio, with the end result
being that the students can take (and hopefully pass) the license tests.

If you know of a University that does this, could you answer:

	- How often/how long does the class meet?
	- Which license(s) does it teach?
	- Does it include Morse code?
	- Does the class include administering the license test,
	  e.g. as the final exam, or must the student arrange for
	  that on his own?
	- Any other useful information.

Thanks,
Dave Curry
N9MSW

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:20 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm!jeffj@network.UCSD.EDU
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <1992Dec10.050057.16749@panix.com>, <1992Dec12.043158.15134@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>, <1992Dec15.045850.2599@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>%
Subject : Re: Morse code upgrading

In article <1992Dec15.045850.2599@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
>
>Since so many peopler seem to like SuperMorse, is it available on any dialup
>BBS(s) for download?

Please try the bbs in my signature. After you get registered you can download
it. Look for SM316.ZIP in the HAM RADIO directory.
73!

Jeff

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 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |      
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