From: lapena@athena.cs.uga.edu (Chito Lapena)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: What is reality?
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:43:27 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Apr5.223050.10775@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> rose@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
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>What is reality?  This promises to forever be a controversal question.  The 
>practice of magick seems to encourage people to belive that reality is a 
>function of our interpertation of reality.  Whereas the person who has 
>faith in reality as presumed by physics, would say that it is true that all 
>of our theories of reality are based on interpertations of reality, but 
>this in no way detracts from the fundamental faith in the presense of a 
>reality that is not dependent of our knowledge of it.
>
>For those who question the independent existence of reality, I pose the 
>question "Why is there as much agreement as there is about what is solid 
>and common experience to everyone?"
>
>For those who see reality as something out there to be scanned, unlated to 
>our theories about it, I suggest the question "Are there multiple valid 
>ways to see this reality?" 
>
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>Believing in dichotomies leads to hardening of your logic.
>
>What determines the existence of Free Will?


Will is the only reality. But you must realize that there 
are several different levels and different kinds of will. 
Take for instance, the hierarchy from  individual will, to 
communal will, to societal will, to the will of the species. 
The higher wills set boundaries as to where the lower 
wills   may freely move about. If a lower will wishes for 
its boundaries to be somewhat altered, it must negotiate 
with the higher wills. You can work out an example using 
a societal model. 

Now what you see around you is stuff that is encrusted 
about these wills- clothing them, sort of speak. At any 
given level, there are different wills that may be equal at 
that level. The interaction of wills (by this model, 
interaction is a dictum of the highest will; or the will of 
the will) is what comprises reality. What makes up a 
"real" object here on earth? Hermetic philosophy 
organizes substances into the four elements of matter: air, 
water, earth and fire. These four elements (taken at their 
less mundane interpretation) may be seen as wills at an 
equal (or close to equal) level, whose interactions form 
substances. The Air of the wise is the abstracted form of 
an object (its concept, its DNA, its crystal lattice structure, 
blueprint, etc.) the Fire of the Wise is the abstracted 
energy that holds the object's form together (tendons and 
ligaments, the rivets in a building, electronic interaction, 
etc.) the Water of the wise is the medium (the land, the 
womb, the clay, the metal), and the earth of the wise is 
the stuff extracted from the medium used to form the 
substance (the extraction is made as a result of the 
interaction of the above three wills, forming a new object
with a new will. eg: the baby, the tree, the mountain, the car).
The definition of an object as earth, air, fire or water 
depends on its use. No earthly object is any one of the 
above but is made up of proportions of them.

As below, so above- one could suspect.

-chito


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