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From: ebshen@athena.mit.edu (Eric B Shen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: dispensible guitarists
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:52:12 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul24.211926.18338@stortek.com>, v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe) writes:
|> Actually, on a relative skill level (musicality, and technical
|> prowess), when juxtaposed with MOST guitarists from OTHER styles,
|> NONE of these guys can play worth poot.  Speed metal is not
|> SUPPOSED to be concerned about playing well or not: it's
|> escapist entertainment. 

Not "SUPPOSED" to be concerned with playing well or not?  Give me a break! 
I play and listen to all styles from jazz to classical to speed metal, and
that sure doesn't make playing a Megadeth tune any easier.  That stuff is
hard to play WELL.  And Megadeth plays FLAWLESSLY.

|> Mustaine is cocky because it is anticipated that he will be.
|> He is living up to audience expectations.  Marty Friedman is
|> a FAST player... calling him 'phenomenal' is ludicrous.  He
|> is another one of these 'Yngwie Malmsteen school of tasteless
|> speed' players. 

Ludicrous my @ss.  Friedman's style has no similarities to Malmsteen's,
unless you consider speed to be your only criterion of judging whether or
not someone fits into the "Malmsteen School."  His note choice and his use
of various scales over different changes is interesting.  He is definitely
not running over the same sequences over and over like DiMeola does, or
even Malmsteen.  Do you listen to this guy seriously, or casually?  I think
he plays tastefully.  Of course, in speed metal, one does not always have
the option to play slowly.
  
|> CC DeVille is not a guitarist... he is an entertainer much the
|> same way David Lee Roth is an entertainer.  This, admittedly is
|> stretching the meaning of the word 'entertainer.'

Yeah, though CC DOES play guitar, right? :-)  I thought he's always been a
pretty lousy player.

|> Finally, Metallica doesn't NEED to 'touch' anyone...they already
|> have their position in rock history (good, bad, or ugly: they have
|> it, no one else does).

Yeah, sure.  That wasn't my point.  If you want to listen to interesting
playing, you certainly won't find it from Metallica anymore, at least not
in Kirk Hammett.  I don't care if they've got their position in rock
history, and I don't care how many records they sell now.  I love
Metallica, too, and I've been worshipping them way back since Kill 'em All.
But for guitar playing, they're certainly not doing anything interesting
anymore. Megadeth's last two albums with Friedman have been VERY good.
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From: detchay@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (TONY CHAY)
Subject: Re: Strat pricing
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:32:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.230318.13374@qualcomm.com> dweber@crow.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber) writes:
>From: dweber@crow.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber)
>Subject: Strat pricing
>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:03:18 GMT


> Well some weeks ago I asked for pricing on American standard strats
>heres what I found in the San Diego area, anyone seen better? Overall
>comments?

> Moonlight Music (Encinitas, Ca.) Best Price: $550.00 (tax inc/no case)

> Guitar Center (San Diego, Ca.) Best Price: $575.00 (tax & case inc)
>                 Japanese Vintage reissues: $475.00 (tax & case inc)
>                     
> I have visited other dealers, but prices and or selection were too
>awful too mention.
> I did find an '83 used Standard Stratocaster with freeflyte trem
>going for $550.00 (tax & case inc) that I really like. I am not to
>familiar with this type of trem and would appreciate comments from
>any of you that may have had dealings with these.


>Dan

>dweber@crow.qualcomm.com
           
			To all you americans, think yourself bloody lucky.  
  Here in the great land down-under (Australia)  we have to pay through the 
nose for an american strat.  A standard without case weighs in at a hefty  
$1400 .(Aus dollars)  A Jap is closer to you price at about $700.  Amps are 
pretty hefty as well.  I recently purchased a Marshall Valvestate 8080 which 
was retailing for $1250, but on a deal I got for about $1100.  How much is 
the same worth in the US roughly.

			Yours,  Tone.... (deaf)
From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:43:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <13187.2a795cda@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.163522.25964@devildog.att.com>, jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul29.134724.16110@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>>>
>>>Could someone point me at a good arrangement for classical
>>>guitar for this Bach piece?  (I don't need tab, I can read
>>>standard notation - sort of).
>> 
>> I can't speak for the quality of the arrangement, but I believe this piece
>> is included in a book called "Fingerpicking Bach," which is one a series,
>> each of which is called "Fingerpicking ______".
>> 
>
>
>	Do not but the FINGERPICKING BACH book.  Most of the songs are only
>sections of pieces.  His version of "Jesu" leaves out alot. 
>
>	If you want a pretty good arrangement, try Willis music company.
>David Dolata transcribed "Jesu" for them.  This version is pretty simple and
>true to the spirit of the original in Bach's Cantata 148.  The best thing is
>that it is not included in a book, so it only costs about $3.00 (i.e. you
>don't have to buy other music which you're not interested in.)  You shouldn't
>have any trouble finding the piece.  It is very common.  If you like though I
>could give you the address of Willis music so you can order it directly.
>
>BrianE


Yes, please post the address. It would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance -

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Worf:  "Borg Season, Riker: "Mister Worf...fire.", "The Best Of Borg Worlds"
From: lehe@lulea.trab.se (Lennart Hedenstr|m)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Gary Moore
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:00:54 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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> > How "gooood" guitar player is Gary Moore (Or however you spell it) ?
> > I heard an incredable solo played by him, and I want to buy a CD, if he
> > is allwais that good.
>
> Absolutely, Gary Moore is one of the finest and most talented Guitarists
> alive today. I didn't say he was "THE" best, but in my opinion he is
> certainly worthy of top praise.
>
> Lately he has been in a blues kick, but I prefer his earlier stuff. He
> has a song called Empty Rooms (it appears on no less than 3 albums) which
> is nothing fancy, but the guitar riffs are haunting! Very smooth and nothing
> is wasted.

I'm a total fanatic when it comes to Gary Moore. So, it's nice to see his name
mentioned every now and then on the net. I agree with the two quotes above,
but just let me point some things out. I don't consider "Empty Rooms" as being
part of Gary's early stuff even if it's pre-Gary's-blues-era. You see, he
started out in the late sixties playing in bands like Skid Row, which you
shouldn't mix up with the young american band led by Seb Bach. He then joined
Thin Lizzy, another Irish band. He formed an own band around 1973, joined Thin
Lizzy again 1974. After that did alot of session work in an around London, and
joined Colosseum II, which was a jazz/rock kind of band. The he joined Thin
Lizzy again in 1978, and recorded the magnificent album "Black Rose" in 1979.
Then after that he played behind Greg Lake on tours and two albums. In the
early '80s he started to get serious about a solo carrier. He released several
albums during the '80s, all being mostly hard rock. He now lives in the US and
seems happy to play the blues. He has released two blues albums so far, but
with Gary you never know what will happen next... He certainly can play the
guitar and has proved over the years that he can handle a lot of different
styles like jazz/rock, blues, hard rock, and whatever...

When will he make it to the cover of Gauitar Player or Guitar World ? I think
those magazines don't look beyond the borders of USA often enough, but that's
another story...

--Lennart

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 	Lennart Hedenstrom : lehe@lulea.trab.se (SWEDEN)
 Collector of records and live tapes with Gary Moore & Thin Lizzy. 
 I'm willing to trade. Interested? --> e-mail right away !!!
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From: ccb@axemax.zk3.dec.com (Senor Bennett)
Subject: Re: Q: What are power chords?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Nashua, NH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:20:04 GMT

In article <9207301757.AA12035@cs.utexas.edu>, STDN%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU (Dan Newcombe) writes:
|> >I've seen reference to "power chords" in a couple of tablature
|> >transcriptions people have done.  I think the definition (for a major
|> >chord anyway) was just a major triad without III.  Is this right?
|> Correct.
|> 
|> >Does anyone know what the history is behind these "chords" and clarify
|> >what they are for me? My original guess that power chords are the
|> >very thick sounding "notes" in a lot of electric guitar work which aren't
|> >quite chords.
|> >Drew
|> 
|> My roommate an I were trying to come up with some of the first uses.
|> He says it was the Beatles on "Get Back"  I don't know, but Tony Iomni
|> from Black Sabbath used them quite extensivly on their albums.  Now
|> the newer stuff is different.  They do have a distinctive overbearing
|> sound.
|>    -Dan

Robert Johnson was using them in the '30s.

ccb
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From: rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Robert James Mohammed Monk)
Subject: Re: Syd Barrett
Reply-To: rm34@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Media Maven
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:29:59 GMT

>> In article <25774@life.ai.mit.edu>, bri@black-coffee.ai.mit.edu (Brian
>> Totty) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> 	So, where is Syd Barrett now?  Any interviews recently?  All I have
>> |> 	heard is urban legend...

In last year's book _A Saucerful of Secrets_, the most recent poop on Roger
K. "Syd" Barrett was provided (by his brother-in-law, I believe).  Syd is
indeed still alive, though not entirely sane.  He has dreams of one day being
together enough to get a job somewhere.  He still lives in Cambridge, and his
family has requested that his old chums Dave, Roger, Rick and Nick no longer
come visit him, as he tended to get very depressed for weeks after they paid
their respects (I guess he realized what he could have been).  Most interesting
was a 1990 vintage PHOTOGRAPH of the man.  He looked fairly healthy, but he 
also looked distressingly like... my father.  Seriously, he's a slightly 
overweight, balding middle-aged man.  Lets all hope that the rest of his life 
is quiet and easy, and be greatful for the five years he gave us.

Yow, that sounded a bit reverent, didn't it?  To hell with it, tonight lets
all make love in London  :-) .

Brother Robert
From: holtslander@skyfox.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RE: Blues Net group
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:03:41 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

Willie dixon wrote it Muddy Waters sang it (Willie Dixon passed away this
year, he wrote A LOT of the blues classics)
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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** new at ftp.nevada.edu 7/27 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:39:57 GMT

	Tracy Chapman
		Across The Lines c
		For My Lover c
	Crowded House
		Better Be Home Soon c
	Dire Straits
		So Far Away c
	Paul McCartney
		My Brave Face c
	Rolling Stones
		Gimme Shelter c
	Leon Russell
		Out In The Woods c
	Paul Simon 
		America Tune c
	James Taylor
		Walking On The Moon c
	Wilson Phillips
		Reason To Believe c

	The GUITARE directory is open, and the new version of the program
is there.

	PLEASE, remember: all mail pertaining to the archive is to be sent
to me directly, and NOT to root@nevada.edu. Thank You

	The IP address is 131.216.1.11

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From: eomc40@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Allan)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: DIFFERENT STRATOCASTERS
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:40:27 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University


I think this has been posted before but could anybody tell me the
differences between Fender American Strats and Fender Jap Strats.
Also are the new Mexican strats better than the Jap Strats even although
they are cheaper ?  Do you think that it is worth spending the extra
money on an American guitar even though they are quite a bit more
expensive ?

Here is the price equivalent for each guitar here in UK.

American Standard - $1000

Jap strat - $600

Mexican stat - $450

These prices are approximate, based on what my local store charges and
the current exchange rate.

any comments on this will be greatly appreciated, as this has been
confusing me for some time now !

thanks,

Malcolm Allan,
University of Edinburgh,
Scotland.
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From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Subject: Re: Led Zeppelin
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:31:06 GMT

In message 6308 vrkaramc@mtu.edu (Karamchedu) wrote:

"In fact it is Jethro Tull which said that the group Led Zeppelin would fall
apart like lead Zeppelin."

Every report I've ever read says that it was either Keith Moon or John
Entwistle of The Who who coined the phrase "They'll go over like a lead
zeppelin."

What's your source?

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Led Zeppelin
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:43:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Jul22.012713.3284@mtu.edu> vrkaramc@mtu.edu (Karamchedu) writes:
>
>In fact it is Jethro Tull which said that the group Led Zeppelin would fall
>apart like lead Zeppelin.

  I had always heard that Keith Moon said that.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Blues records
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:25:07 GMT

	I happen to be a big flea market shopper and I often run into stacks of
old 78rpm records.  I usually scan through them for blues artists but have yet
to find any.  I was sure that they were hot items when they came out.  I live
in PA which might explain it.  Since most blues records were recorded and sold
in the south there might not be as many lying around up north.  Does anyone out
there own any or have run across them?
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From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: MultiTrackin!
    <14i9liINNa2f@network.ucsd.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:08:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <14i9liINNa2f@network.ucsd.edu> mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.013640.21100@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> cday@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Craig Day) writes:
>>quick rundown. Another thing ... 4 tracks makes for only 4 musical
>>elements right? - so how do I record a bass 2 guitar tracks, drums and a
>>singer????? - not enuff room???
>>
>>	Craig!
>>	Email:day_c@kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au
>
>(lots of stuff deleted from above message)
>I'm posting this, 'cause I'm sure there's lots I won't say, but:
>
>No, I've heard a four track can (theoretically) record up to 16 parts.
>Record tracks 1-4, 'ping-pong' them down to track 1, then record tracks 2-4,
>down to track 2, record 3 and 4, down to 3, finally track 4.  That's 10.

actually, i don't think you can ping-pong something to a track that
has something on it.. like, you can't pong 1-4 to track 1.. you can
pong 2-4 to 1, and add in another "track" into the effects loop,
however, and get 10 tracks out of it that way.. i find, you don't ever
want to move something more than once.. zero times is way better, even.

my normal method goes:

1: drum  -----
              |
2: drum  -----
              |
3: guitar  ---  (or bass)
              |
               -------> 4:  pan it just to the right

1: guitar        ----
                     |
2: keys (or bass) ---
                     |
                     -----> 3: pan it just to the left

now you have 2 first generation tracks, for lead vocal, and harmony,
but if you need one more, like for a lead, you can record it onto
the lead or harmony track, since they aren't likely to be doing much
at the same time..

aash



-- 
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From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Marty Willson-Piper - GREAT or WHAT???
Summary: marty is the best
Keywords: marty the legend
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:03:55 GMT

Can anyone tell me that the think that Marty Willson-Piper isn't
just _the_ most excellent guitarist ever?

Matt..
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From: mau@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Darin Au)
Subject: Re: SLASH- Great or WHAT??!!?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:08:01 GMT

In article <2A74F655.16927@noiro.acs.uci.edu> jgray@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Jeff Gray) writes:
>First this Peter guy wrote:
> 
>|> I was just wandering how many Slash [GNR lead guitarist] admirers are out
>|> there....  I personally think that he must be one of the greatest hard rock
>|> guitarists alive...  And if you hear him in concert, you'll probably think
>|> the same...
>|> 							Peter.
>
>
>Then this Bill guy wrote:
>
>>        Peter, you have obviously ignored the netiquette rules. Your post
>>does not belong in alt.guitar, but in rec.humor. While I commend you on the
>>humor of your post, please post jokes to the appropriate news group in the
>>future.
>
>Finally this anonymous wombat-dude wrote:
>
>>Thanks for posting this Peter, I can't remember the last time I had a good
>>laugh!!!!!!!!
>>
>
>I hope Peter will join me in saying that both of you can bite me! 
>These posts definitely sound like the sarcasm of some Guns'n'Roses-
>hating dudes who can't get past Axl Rose's ego/whatever long enough to
>appreciate Slash's true musical talent.
>
>Oh well, it's your losses, not ours.
>--
>Jeff Gray               
>Dept of ECE, University of California, Irvine
>jgray@balboa.eng.uci.edu                             "Is logic just a synonym
>                                                           for this savagery?"

Well, I'm not too sure if Slash has "true musical talent."  Maybe playing
the same pentatonic scale in only 3 different keys is talent.  Don't get me
wrong, the pentatonic scale IS cool but only if it's used with some variety. 
Slash uses the damn thing the same way every time.  

Whenever my guitar students ask me to teach them a GnR song, I'll teach them
the basic riffs/chords and for the solo, I'll just tell them to play that 
same old pentatonic scale in the same old place.  

Sometime last week, someone posted that there's a difference between musicians
and entertainers...well, Slash is a good example of an entertainer.

--darin

PS  If you want to hear a good example of Slash's "musical talent," listen to
    the way he attempts to play a dobro on "You Ain't the First" off of 
    Using Our Fan's Delusions I.  I had to learn that tune for a student this
    past Saturday.  Sounds like a drunken mess.
From: v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: dispensible guitarists
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:19:26 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.  Louisville, CO
Originator: v035550@stcvax

>>>How about that other guitarist in MegaDeath...Cause
>>>pompus bastard Dave Mustain insists on doing lead-vocals
>>>and playing lead-guitar....while the other bozo just
>>>plays rythem.....
>>
>>What?? The other "bozo" is the LEAD guitarist Marty Friedman.  Marty
>>plays pretty much all of the leads.  Mustaine only plays a couple leads.
>>As for the "bozo" just playing rhythm, sorry, Mustaine plays pretty much
>>all the rhythm.
>>
>>Marty is a phenomenal player.  Mustaine is a great rhythm player (and
>>good at leads, too).  Mustaine may be cocky, but he is undeniably good
>>at playing and writing... and singing? :-) yeah, I like his voice, too.
>>
>>Megadeth is THE speed metal band out there, especially from a guitar
>>point of view.  Metallica can't touch these guys anymore.  Of course, my
>>opinion.
>>>
>>Eric Shen
>>ebshen@athena.mit.edu
>>
>I agree with you eric...MegaDeath jams....
>
>I got an even better one for dispensible guitarist:
>
>CC DeVille....formerly of POISON.....He was so dispensible that
>he was despenced OF..........good riddence to that same solo in
>every song playing mutha F&*&%$#.....
>                            
>
Actually, on a relative skill level (musicality, and technical
prowess), when juxtaposed with MOST guitarists from OTHER styles,
NONE of these guys can play worth poot.  Speed metal is not
SUPPOSED to be concerned about playing well or not: it's
escapist entertainment. 

Mustaine is cocky because it is anticipated that he will be.
He is living up to audience expectations.  Marty Friedman is
a FAST player... calling him 'phenomenal' is ludicrous.  He
is another one of these 'Yngwie Malmsteen school of tasteless
speed' players. 

CC DeVille is not a guitarist... he is an entertainer much the
same way David Lee Roth is an entertainer.  This, admittedly is
stretching the meaning of the word 'entertainer.'

Finally, Metallica doesn't NEED to 'touch' anyone...they already
have their position in rock history (good, bad, or ugly: they have
it, no one else does).

v035550@stortek.com  
-- 
"Music comes from composers - not musicians"
 -Frank Zappa : "The Real Frank Zappa Book", p.174.
From: vai@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Aloke S Chakravarty)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Strengthening Fingernails for Fingerpicking
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:56:49 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


Does strengthening fingernails prohibit, or rather inhibit other gratifying
experiences?  And if so, is the trade-off worth it?  I'm still an advocate
of the friction theory of fingerstyle (probably because it's called 
fingerstyle and not nailstyle (which actually may be a form of speed metal)),
plus, I've often found that long hard fingernails leave marks on things and
people where they don't necessarily like it.

sorry, just preachin'.
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