From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: NT Destined to Succeed??
Date: 05 Jan 93 21:38:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.053023.22120@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1993Jan04.184825.3260@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan4.111435.685@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>> >
>>     Steve, for what it's worth, I believe that Windows NT didn't run
>> on your machine when you tried it.  I will not, though, that you
>> didn't go through the installation process at all - you swapped in
>> a hard disk, which could result in the system not being properly
>> configured for your machine.  "Virtually" identical doesn't mean
>> truly identical.
>
>True.....but swapping hard drives between similarly configured PCs with
>Inductry Standard parts is common practice. OS/2 doesn't mind as long as the
>video card card and I/O adaptors are the same (IDE, not SCSI, etc)

    Did OS/2 do this when it was in beta?  Even if it did, is it
reasonable to assume that this functionality should be present in
any beta product?


>> >and won't even boot up.
>> 
>>      Maybe this was caused by yanking the hard drive out of so many
>> machines and swapping it into others?  All it takes is one good knock
>> to hose a hard drive.
>
>The hard drive is fine. It's just the files that have been corrupted through
>repeated crashes.

    Really?  How do you know?


>> >If you are going to call me a liar, fine. But I get to say I'm no liar and
>> >that I don't like you calling me one in a public forum. I don't for a moment
>> >expect you to be big enough to apologise......but you do owe me one.
>> 
>>     I don't think you're a liar.  I do think that your attempts to
>> generalize your personal experience with Windows NT to sweeping
>> statements about Windows NT as a whole are FUD, and I've told you
>> why.
>
>Unless the quoting was messed up, it was Yamanari who made the statement i
>objected to.....not you, Phil. Was it you?

    No, it wasn't me.  I was just throwing in my two cents on it.


>I understand how you feel. You guys have put / are putting / a lot of work
>into NT. But I am not alone in finding it to be not terribly stable on
>various hardware.......

    Oops - I don't want anyone to get the idea that I'm working on
Windows NT - I'm not.


>I have no doubt that one day NT will be a fine OS.....but my personal
>experience and that of others i know is that the day is not coming in
>March...and probably not before August...if then.

    But this is based on not a real lot of experience.


>The main point of that original post was that MS had a lot of work to do to
>get NT ready for market and that OS/2 was here now - and ready to work.

     True that OS/2 is here now.  How well it works I'll leave for
other posters to discuss, as I'm not running it.


>>      And so does Windows NT.  Steve, try getting the original CD, then
>> install it properly on your machine and report back.  If you're still
>> having trouble with it, I'm sure that someone in the beta program
>> will be glad to listen to your bug reports.
>
>My boss isn't very sympathetic to the idea of having 16megs in every
>machine.....or even just mine. I had enough trouble just getting 8megs for
>OS/2. The 8x1 simm --> 4x4 simm jump is a hurdle i doubt I will get over.
>
>Those 4x4 simms are NZ$320 each down here......so the upgrade for NT would be
>nearly NZ$1500 by the time GST was added to the cost of the RAM. Plus another
>NZ$1,000 forthe additional disk space.
> 
>My machine won't see NT, I'm afraid. But OS/2 does the job just great on it,
>so there is no compelling reason to get NT. 

     True.  I have never said that Windows NT is a panacea - not everyone
is going to want it, and not everyone is going to need it.


>That's not FUD, is it?

    Not at all.  But saying "Windows NT is not for me" is different
from saying "Windows NT doesn't run in 8MB." 

				-Phil
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