HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: na0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nenad Antonic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:16:14 GMT
	<1992Apr11.143850.20656@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	Very nice chat going on here. While hundreds are being killed.

	Serbian troops entered the town of Modri\v{c}a, close to
Bosanski Brod. Serbian irregulars are forcing their way up the Drina
river, to Fo\v{c}a and Vi\v{s}egrad. And leaving behind the same
scenes as they did on Kordun, Banija, Slavonia, or Dubrovnik area.

	The world did not effectively react on the events in Slovenia.
Croatia did not learn the lesson then -- so the price was terrible later.
B&H did not learn the lesson from Croatian experience -- and,
unfortunately, the price they are going to pay will be higher.
	But, neither Serbs did learn anything. They support killing
of their neighbours, or in the best case stay passive: do they expect
to be able to live next to the people whose relatives are being killed?
Even if the government would protect their lives and property, what
kind of live would that be? 
	The leaders would go to Belgrade -- no problems for them.
But the majority will have to stay, as in Croatia-- and to face years
of cold attitude from the majority.
	In some parts, that did not experience the war, it would be
forgotten -- in particular where some Serbs decided to be loyal to 
their country, and not nation (a difficult choice, no question about
that). But in areas destroyed by the war, where every destroyed
house reminds of it, the hatred will last.

	For many it is not to late to avoid such fate. Do not kill your
neighbours, and do not support those doing that. If you feel strong
enough, protect you neighbours -- and it will not be forgotten.


	Regards

		Nenad Antoni\'c.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:16:29 GMT

In article <16511@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>
>BTW, do you imp[ly that there was country named Croatia from the time
>that Tesla was born? I thought it was Austro-Hungarian empire, but do
>correct me if I am wrong, we all know that Croats are better Historian and
>better Geographs then Serbs (that's how Serbs got screwed up in the first
>place ;-)

Actually, since you are on the topic of borders, I guess you don't know that
Croatia extends into a part of Slovenia.  It would be better if I had a
map to illustrate, but here's how it looks:  

A very thin strip (about one foot wide) going from Samobor (roughly) all the
way to Ljubljana, where the territory opens up to totally engulf Andrej 
Benedejcic's old home.

:-)  ;-)

Best regards,

Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Muhamed Filipovic in "DANAS"
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:03:22 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr16.004125.21278@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu (kai -Visitor) writes:
>
>PS.  Guys, you who stand behind the bullshit that is going on s.c.y,
>     the handful few, with your real names and surnames, be warned that your 
>     names are all over ex-YU newspapers.
>     Milan can tell you where he had sent a message with the above excerpt.
>     I read it in Globus along with some other people's writings.

Are you fucking serious?!  "Globus" has actually published all this stuff,
considered by me, at least, as nothing more than after-school amusement?

Wooow!  I am speechless!  Really!

What can I say?  Oh yes!  Andrej, please keep sending me my issues of 
"Mladina" and "Rokpress."  BECAUSE I'M OUTTA HERE!

Regards to you all humor-impaired bastards out there,

Andrej

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From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:53:55 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

If you are an undergradate of engineering you may like to
do a questionnaire through email, on the subject "Building
Management Systems". This questionnaire is being done by 
your counterparts at USA, CAN, & UK. Comparison will be 
made between you and them.

If you know nothing about BMS but you know some others may 
do, please pass on the message.

Come and Join the party !!

-------------------------------------------------------------
K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
Bath University, UK
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Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:27:45 -0400 
From: Nenad Antonic <na0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: War Against Bosnia (VREME NDA 13.Apr 1992)

	In this article, Milos Vasic et al. are equally accusing Serbian
and Croatian state/government for the situation in B&H. There is
a difference:
- Croatia was one of the first countries to recognise the independence
  of B&H, and the first one of former Yugoslav republics
- there are no regular Croatian troops in B&H, while there are more
  than 100,000 reservists from Serbia and Montenegro

	So, when the Serbian reservists and officers, together with
all heavy military hardware, withdraw from B&H, and when the
government in Belgrade recognizes the sovereignty of Bosnia and
Herzegovina, we might be able to speak of equal responsibility.

	If this had already happened, do you think there would be
the war as it is going on in B&H?

	Regards
		Nenad Antoni\'c.
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:22:22 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>From:	cs4gp6al@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
>
>Well, as we know Karadjordjevic (I am not sure of his first
>name), the man who would like to return the monarchy to Serbia, was born
>in England........not.  Quite amusingly, the hospital in which he was born
>in was made "Yugoslav territory" by the British government.  As a result,
>technically, he is considered born in Yugoslavia.  Thus, monarchists 
>around the world will have no problem accepting his re-establishing of
>a thrown.  
>
Peter is quite right about this, except for the fact that Prince Alexander
was not born in a hospital, but in a hotel where the Yugoslav Royal 
government resided during World War II.  In response to an urgent appeal
from the royal family, the British government officially recognized the
entire floor of the hotel where the Karadjordjevic was born for Yugoslav
territory (i.e., they gave it a status ordinarialy reserved for foreign
embassies).

>Peter Granic
>

Regards,

Andrej
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: YU Army and Serbs
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:13:01 GMT

In article <16740@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.213034.15285@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have yet another question (although I usually don't have very much success
>>in getting answers). Namely the question is about YU Army and Srbs. Did YU
>>Army ever confront (in a battle) Serbs? If yes, when, if no, why not?
>>I'm especially looking forward to receive the answer from Serbian netters.
>>
>>Thanx in advance,
>>
>>Andrej
>> 
>
>Andy, if you were not joking, I would have thought you were dumb.
>
>what was the term HINA uses "Srpsko-Chetnichka Soldateska" - Serbo-Chetnik
>YNA.

>hm, I think you were actually very malicious with your "question".

I think his question was a very fair one, even though it may not have been
an easy one to answer.

>p.s. yes YNA did attack Serbs. I can tell you about the caser where the
>younger brother was holding half of his brother's body. YAF bombed them.

You are insulting our intelligence by saying that accidental bombings
are the same as targetted bombings.

In response to Andy, I believe I read that something the other way around
happened, i.e. that JNA officers were abused by Serbs (Sheshelj's & Jovic's
guys).  I can't remember where I read this; maybe someone else knows.

Regards,

Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: MUJO AND HASO - fUN IN SARAJEBO!
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:10:25 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

The following story is based on a number of extremely reliable rumors
which I overheard after conking out in a student dinning hall
while recuperating from yet another all-nighter . . . .

Press spacebar at you own risk!



Are you sure you want to do this? 



Really?  You actually want to read this?




O.K.--here we go:

                   MUJO AND HASO - FUN IN SARAJEBO

Mujo was this Muslim boy from Sarajebo, who had a cosuin named Haso.  One
day Mujo and Haso went to a park to have some fun.  They were swinging
on the swings and screaming:  "Allah-u Akbar!"  Suddenly, Mujo noticed a 
Serbian guy with a "sajkaca" and a full-grown beard looking at them from
behind a bush.  Mujo winked at his cousin and asked:  "Shall we have some
FUN?"  Haso winked back and replied:  "Yes, LET'S!"  So, the two boys left
their swings and walked over to the Serbian dude.  When they approached him
Mujo asked the Serbian:  "Do you want to SEE something?"  With that he
pulled down his "hlace hlamudrace" and let Haso fondle his behind.  Delighted,
the Serbian guy squeaked:  "Well, I have something for you too, boys!"  With
that he pkunzipped (ha, ha, ha! --> unzipped) his pants and whipped out
his huge member.  Undaunted, Haso retorted:  "I also have something for YOU!"
With that he landed his huge foot in the Serbian's groin.  The latter fell
down moaning and groaning.  Unperturbed, Mujo and Haso started beating the
shit out of the Serbian guy.  (That was quite a sight, seeing two Muslim 
boys beating the shit out of a grown-up Serb!)

After they got tired of punching and kicking the Serbian guy, Mujo and Haso
ran over to the nearest policeman and told him that the Serbian tried to rape
them.  The policeman arrested the Serbian guy and sent him to prison.  But
other Serbs didn't like this, so they started shooting at all the policmen.
That's why there's so much trouble today in Sarajebo . . . .


Next time:  "The Adventures of the Serbian Guy in Prison"

                              and
 
              "Mujo and Haso Join the Handjar Division"
From: svilen@budapest.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: QUIZ: MACEDONIAN ANTHEMS
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr15.200901.23325
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <84002@bu.edu> buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis) writes:
> 
> 
> 1. Which song was used as the Macedonian National Anthem at the first  
meeting
> of the Anti-Fascist National Liberation Council of Macedonia (ASNOM)  
held on
> August 2, 1944 in the St. Prohor Pchinski Monastery? 
> 
> 2. What was the original title and the words of the song whose melody  
was 
> taken (and words were re-written) for the National Anthem of the  
Socialist
> Republic of Macedonia "Denes nad Makedonia" (which is still in use)? 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Lou
Hi, Lou!

	I don't know the answer to your questions and am very eager for  
them. I expect kind of a surprise. Where is the mentioned monastery?

Thanx, Svilen.
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: News Briefs
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:16:05 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.165815.22798@intellistor.com> robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski) writes:
>Reprinted without permission.
>
>"The Wall Street Journal," Tuesday, April 14, 1992
>
>Fighting erupted in B-H undermining a cease-fire agreement
>between rival ethnic groups and dimming chances of averting
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>all-out civil war in the former Yugoslav republic.
         ^^^^^^^^^

What kind of nonsense is this?  As far as I know, Serbs and Croats are not
"ethnic groups"; they are NATIONS.  Therefore, there can be no "civil war"
going on between them.  When two nations fight each other their conflict
is always referred to as WAR, period.  I mean, seriously!  When the Austrians
and Germans fought each other at the Battle of Sadowa in 1866, nobody 
talked about there being a "civil war" in Central Europe, although the
A
Andrej
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:3944 soc.culture.europe:3817
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: You should be warned....
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:18:54 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr16.004125.21278@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu (kai -Visitor) writes:
OB
>  Aren't you the same Stojanovic who wrote in one of your letters:
>  "..... doktorica Bosanac Hrvatski Joseph Mengele ......"?
>
>  Hrabri Rajic
>


No, although I do agree with this


>
>PS.  Guys, you who stand behind the bullshit that is going on s.c.y,
>     the handful few, with your real names and surnames, be warned that your 
>     names are all over ex-YU newspapers.
>     Milan can tell you where he had sent a message with the above excerpt.
>     I read it in Globus along with some other people's writings.

????????????????????

How should I understand this warning by you?

Milan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: mira@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Mira Gladovic)
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: Telecom Australia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:42:23 GMT

89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (M. Sablic) writes:

>benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:


>>	HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THIS NEWSGROUP?

>>	FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THE READERSHIP IS PRETTY MUCH LIMITED
>>	TO THE OLD GANG OF:  NIKOLA, MILAN, JOE, ANDREJ, ANDREJ,
>>	GRGA, VICTOR, LABROS, AND SHARON.

>>	AM I RIGHT?

>You forgot me. SCY is also distributed in Europe via a mailing list.
>List is much larger, most people have stopped contributing by now.
>It takes too much effort to be constructive, and most people do
>not have the energy or time for the kind of stuff that you and Nikola
>waste bandwidth with.

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.


>Mladen
>--
>Mladen Sablic, Pembroke College, Cambridge University, UK.
>e_mail: ms145@phx.cam.ac.uk (JANET: ms145@uk.ac.cam.phx)
>        89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (JANET: 89ms1@uk.ac.cam.eng) (Rx only)
>--

Mira
From: robm@bcrka391.bnr.ca (Rob Mclellan 1342743)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:38:18 GMT
Reply-To: robm@bcrka391.bnr.ca (Rob Mclellan 1342743)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

I've only recently started reading SCY, and from what I've seen so far I
have to agree with Mladen and Sharon -- the juvenile level of a lot of
the discussion is really depressing, especially when it is shouted at
great volume so continuously. Lots of noise, little information content.

Nik -- I don't think anyone is suggesting not discussing culture,
however if you are saying that the stuff to date is a good sample of
your culture then that too is a depressing commentary. Fortunately my
experience with friends of Croatian, Serbian, Montenegrin, Slovenian,
Bosnian background outside of this forum has given me a much more
balanced and positive view of the richness of the heritage, and the
complex issues that permeate the current problems. 
 
(by the way I do find some of the VREME postings interesting, contrary
to a recent comment).
 
Strongly passionate convictions are great, however polemic merely
detracts from it. Wholesale flaming just wears everyone out...(and turns
the whole process into a search for the ultimate flame).
 
Cheers,

Rob McLellan

Bell-Northern Research
Ottawa, Ontario Canada
e-mail: robm@bnr.ca

PS Andrej -- I too can't figure out whether you're serious or not; such
extreme behaviour is often indicative of a parody ;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: Croatian postage stamps
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:39:53 GMT

In article <16525@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.065213.24563@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>>Who was it that said "I am for genocide of all Croats"?? (I forget; read it
>>in VREME a while back in the 'Yu-merry-go-round" section).
>
>
>yes he has his "glourious" moments.
>
>But his words "I am for genocide over croats" are not exactly what he
>said. the question asked was : (parafraziram :)
>
>"Shall we do the same thing to croatian minority that has been done to
>serbian minority in croatia?"

>he answered "yes".

I don't believe we are talking about the same thing.  The translation was done
by whomever translates VREME to English.  Like I said I'm not positive that
it was Sheshelj who said this, that's why I asked.  I _am_ positive that I
read this in VREME though. 

 
Regards,

Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic)
Subject: Re: Flood-wave in Bosnia
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 10:17:42 GMT

mitrovic@tik.ethz.ch (Srdjan Mitrovic) writes:

>Reported in NZZ 14.4.1992

>Extremist Muslim release flood wave 

>(Reuter)  
>According to Radio Sarajevo, a paramilitary Muslim group 
>executed their threat and opened 2 gates  of one of the
>2 coffer-dams that they took posession of. An enormous wave is flowing
>down the river Drina, reported the radio on Monday and added that 
>citizens of the nearby city of Visegrad are being evacuated.

>The Muslims occupied the dams last week and menaced either to blow them
>up or to open the gates if the Serbian guerilla and the Yugoslavian
>army do not retreat from the area. The flood wave that has been 
>generated by the opening of gates should have already flooded
>Visegrad, reported Tanjug. The bridges are flooded and the water 
>entered several villages.


>Srdjan Mitrovic

He is not "extremist Muslim", and if you have been receiving any news from
"Yugo-network" (Croatian, Vreme...), you know the fact.  Mr. Murat Sabanovic
used to be an ingineer at power-producing company, that managed the dam.
He is engaged in defense of Visegrad, desperately trying to prevent the 
town experiences the destiny of Bijeljina, Zvornik, Foca and other, where
thousands of non-Serbian people were killed, their homes savagely and
intentionally looted, and the rest forced to live.  He is treatening with
dam for a three days, and the only answer from Serbia was more fiercefull
attack.  There is the fact he doesn't understand: the dam damage may be an
"ace" card for Milosevic, Adzic, Karadzic and other criminals.  Afterwards,
the dam would be the biggest issue, they can leave exhausted buble-gums, like
genocide, protection of Serbs and so on.  And your posting is exactly on
that line  - HOLD THE THIEF -, you didn't posted anything about Bijeljina,
if you miss material, I can send you.

Muris
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Flood-wave in Bosnia
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:36:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr14.103618.11069
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.101742.11400@cc.uow.edu.au> cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic) writes:
OB>
>He is not "extremist Muslim", and if you have been receiving any news from
>"Yugo-network" (Croatian, Vreme...), you know the fact.  Mr. Murat Sabanovic
>used to be an ingineer at power-producing company, that managed the dam.
>He is engaged in defense of Visegrad, desperately trying to prevent the 
>town experiences the destiny of Bijeljina, Zvornik, Foca and other, where
>thousands of non-Serbian people were killed, their homes savagely and
>intentionally looted, and the rest forced to live.  

>Muris

Isn't that a guy who ruined Andric's monument in Visegrad?
Asked why, he said that he carefully read Andric's books and
didn't like the way muslims are represented.  Extremist or
lunatic, your choice.
Again, Bijeljina is predominantly Serbian town, where muslim irregulars 
tried to take over power, by seizing local militia station, 
municipality, etc.  What do you want Serbs to do?  BTW, allegedly
mutilated bodies by Serbs in Bijeljina were proven to be Cristian
bodies, let me not go into details. There are no Croats there, so
make conclusion, if you are able to break the preset opinion that
poor Muslims want brotherhood, unity, democracy. They want state,
Serbs do not want to live in that state, and that's it.  Both sides 
are going to do what they have to achieve their goals. 
So next time when you cry thief, think whether it is possible 
that someone else is also comitting crimes, beside Serbs.

Regards,
Milan