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From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Sex Dreams
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:58:20 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <1992Oct14.154012.23525@bnr.ca>, Kathryn writes:
>Can anyone help me understand why I always wake up when I have
>a dream which involves having sex?  Every dream is the same.  I'm
>kissing and getting closer to the man and when we are about to 
>have sex, I wake up! (bummer).
>
>What is your interpretation.
>
>Kay
>
>
I don't know why this is.  I've never been able to get anywhere in sex dreams.
Hugging and kissing, sure, but when we start to get really down to it the dream
starts fading.  Course then there was the time when I kept taking my clothes
off and taking my clothes off, it was like there was a hundred layers there.
Very frustrating.  I wouldn't take it too seriously. Maybe for some people sex
just doesn't work in dreams.

Good dreams,
Doug.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: shurt@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Torcher)
Subject: Re: Sex Dreams
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:25:24 GMT

preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.154012.23525@bnr.ca>, Kathryn writes:
>>Can anyone help me understand why I always wake up when I have
>>a dream which involves having sex?  Every dream is the same.  I'm
>>kissing and getting closer to the man and when we are about to 
>>have sex, I wake up! (bummer).
>>
>>What is your interpretation.
>>
>>Kay
>>
>>
>I don't know why this is.  I've never been able to get anywhere in sex dreams.
>Hugging and kissing, sure, but when we start to get really down to it the dream
>starts fading.  Course then there was the time when I kept taking my clothes
>off and taking my clothes off, it was like there was a hundred layers there.
>Very frustrating.  I wouldn't take it too seriously. Maybe for some people sex
>just doesn't work in dreams.

>Good dreams,
>Doug



I have had a few sex dreams, but usually I don't wake up until I have gotten    through the good stuff.  I have heard that if you have sex with someone in a    dream, though, you will never see them again in real life.
 
 - Scott H.
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: How do I dream?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:23:24 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Further comments about keeping a dream diary.

1. I check that diary, pen, and pale torch are by my 
bed just before sleep, and resolve to write down ANY 
dream fragment, however small. This ritual seems to 
help dream recall.

2. After waking, I try to recall any verse, song, or 
words I have read in the dream first. These are often 
the first things to fade.

3. Next, I try to recall each part of my dream. 
One part will often help me to remember another part, 
and I can often "tease out all the strands" of the 
dream. As I do so, I give each part a chapter heading 
in my mind. 

4. When I begin to write, I write down items from 2,
then the chapter headings, and, lastly, the main body
of the dream. 

5. When I write out the main body of the dream, I do so
quickly. Often the phrases I form will be significant. 

(As an example of point 5: I became briefly lucid in a
dream this morning. C was a character in my dream and I
told her "I am dreaming". What I wrote down was "I told
C I was dreaming", and indeed, the day before I had
been speaking to C about dreams and dream
interpretation.)

Take care
Ronno
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There's no time to loose, I heard her say,
Catch your dreams before they slip away.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: obes vs. lucid dreams
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:17:56 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Oct9.050125.9268@serval.net.wsu.edu>, rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu 
(Robert Crane - OTHER) writes:
> The only difference between OBEs and lucid dreams is that in
> an OBE the person THINKS he/she is having an OBE and in a lucid
> dream the person THINKS he/she is having a dream.
> In my experience, OBEs do NOT correspond with reality
> but with our mental model of reality.
> -- 

i'll grant that on the higher levels of the astral this *might* be true
(though i am inclined to believe it is not), but i've seen too much anecdotal 
evidence of people perceiving things on the earth plane that turn out to be 
"objectively" true (if there is any such thing).
i still think that the difference between a lucid dream and an OBE is that in a
lucid dream there is subconscious interference whereas in OBEs there is not.  i
think your statement about OBEs, that they do "NOT" correspond with reality but
with our mental model of reality, might be a characteristic more aptly applied
to lucid dreaming.  in a real OBE (not a conscious *dream* of an OBE) i do not
believe it is possible to change things in the experience (scenery, people,
etc.) just by thinking about it...you can think of a person and "go" to them,
yes, but it's not a question of manipulating self-created images as is possible
in some (not all) lucid dreams...
and as an aside, capitalizing the words "thinks" and "not" doesn't make their
use any more appropriate :)
             
take care, all :)

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: mine
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:39:54 GMT

In article <92282.102112AMS176@psuvm.psu.edu>, AMS176@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> okay guys....my friend is walking down the side of a highway, but he must
> move alot to keep from getting hit by big trucks? What does this mean?
>                    Antony Mikael Schiffbauer

Someone wants him dead ? Truck drivers naturally wanna kill him ? :) *shrug*

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:07:16 GMT

Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Not trying to be picky, but the story I heard was that when Kekule was trying
>to figure out the structure of benzene, he dreamt of a snake eating its
>own tail.  When he awoke, he had his answer.  I'd never heard the monkey
>story before, just curious which version people have heard?  (If at all?)

The dude who invented the sewing machine was having a hassle about how to
thread the thing.  he had this nightmare where these cannibals were trying
to cook him.  When he looked at their spears they had holes near their tips,
he realised that this was the solution to his woes.

He woke up and didnt get eaten, dont worry.

But dreaming is a great place for ideas, very often you are not restricted
by what you think is right, or what you have to do - and any subconcious
thoughts rise to the surface.  I know I have solved a few problems this
way.

|-|()()|<
Swing like a monkey
Shake like a tree
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Sex Dreams
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:17:48 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <Bw4zuD.528@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, shurt@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Torcher) 
writes:

> I have had a few sex dreams, but usually I don't wake up until I have gotten
> through the good stuff.  I have heard that if you have sex with someone in a   
> dream, though, you will never see them again in real life.
>  
>  - Scott H.

oh, come on!  you don't think people who live together in a loving context ever
have dreams of making love to each other and then wake up to see the other
lying next to them in waking life???

sounds like that's just an ugly rumor to me.

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (WhiteFeather)
Subject: Re: ...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.172423.56170@qut.edu.au>,
heard@qut.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.154051.11966@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
>safrin@hubcap.clemson.edu (steven b afrin) writes:
>
>[ deletions ]
>
>> Tell me, do ALL dreams have to mean something about my subconscious
>> mind?  Do I have to interpret all of them?  Or can some dreams maybe
>> just be an escape from reality?  A simple fun-loving, self-indulging
>> fantasy?  Maybe?
>
>In talking about dreams it is usuallu not a matter of
>"either / or" but of "yes and yes".
>
>Obviously, all dreams are generated by a part of your
>self. When you are not consciously controling the dream
>(as in lucid dreaming), it is being generated by an
>unconscious part of the self. Thus a dream is a window
>on the concerns of unconscious parts of the self.
>Sometimes these concerns are profound, sometimes
>trivial, sometimes frightening, sometimes fun.
>
>No, you don't have to interpret them, but I believe
>that you loose out if you don't. To me interpreting
>doesn't kill the fun, so you have a choice between fun
>plus insight or just fun.
>
>But, of course, fun is a great thing to get from your
>dreams.      >Ronno

    ----------------------------------------------------------
 I agree. And would like to add a thought or two.
Dreams are offered, as Ronno says -- to give insight.
To recognize and Feel what may need some attention "here", on this
side of life.
If you need/want fun or fantasy, well, -- dreams may offer it.
If you have concerns/need some insight, or inspiration, -- than
this is what you'll dream.

Trust what you get -- cos' it's what you need to see!!

Fun/fantasy/flying, isn't the goal. Insight is.

And often this insight isn't quite what you want to see. Sometimes
it can be painful and brutally honest. Sometimes, it's wonderful.
Always worth looking at.
...  And when the flying begins -- well, maybe you earned it!
An added bonus!

/WhiteFeather\
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From:  (Christopher Seta)
Subject: A new Experiment
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:25:59 GMT

Greg, 
    What should I do if I try your fore arm experiment and my arm falls on
my face and breaks my nose?  Or what should I do if I poke an eye out with
my fingernail?  Or I really hope my finger doesn't accidently slip up my
nose!  What should I do - pad my my hand to prevent any serious injuries? 
Please help with this terrible dilemma.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: How to dream.
Summary: Dreaming is what you get?
Keywords: Dreaming is what you want?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:36:48 GMT

Well, one of the best ways to dream a lot is to think a lot about
dreaming.  Simply doing that will cause you to dream a great deal.
Think, during the day, before you go to sleep, etc about how you would
like to dream.  Additionally, if you want a lucid dream, check out
reality throughout the day.  It may sound silly, but stop and think
"Am I dreaming?" and read something once, look away, and then read it
again.  This helps.
 
Now, this was something I wanted to mention earlier, but forgot to.
Dreaming a lot, keeping track of your dreams, change your dream
content.  At least, this is my experience, and I'd like to hear from
others about this.  Well, this is without lucidity, and was long ago,
but I kept a dream diary back before I knew very much on the subject.
I wrote down everything, no matter how insignificant, and it was
depressing but eventually my dreams got boring.
 
NOW, however, I'd love to dream that much, because there is so much
I'd like to try to do while lucid.
 
One experiment, that'll sound as bizarre as it gets, that I pulled
during a lucid dream:
 
I figured that if I called out GOD, or in my case, because I prefer
the concept of Odin as God, called out ODIN, a being representing my
concept of God/odin would come to me in the dream, and I could ask him
questions.
 
It was an idea.  I didn't think it would be God, just my mental
representation of the concept.  So I tried it, and a super hero like
character flew down in a dream, and said to me "Just be yourself" and
then flew away.  In another attempt, Odin/God appeared, turned into
blurry computer graphics, and everything just faded away.
 
I'd be interested in hearing about anyone else trying to summon god,
or anyone into a dream.  I remember in the book, Lucid Dreaming, the
suggestion to summon whom ever you'd like to talk to for whatever
reason: Albert Einstein to solve a calculation problem, your favorite
writer to help you write a story, etc.
 
It's a neat concept.  Use your inner resources so to speak.  And to
whoever said "Use a holodeck dream system", I gotta say, that's a
GREAT idea.  Although I don't remember the usual holodeck terms, it
seems like a neat way to control your mind.  Care to list the holodeck
controls for me?
 

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: bolakk@reis61.alleg.edu (Kimberly Bolak)
Subject: thanks
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:02:14 GMT

since my emailing is getting all messed up I shall have to thank all of  
you who have given me advice as to my dream love by posting.  'll try to  
email some of you again, but I'm having some difficulty.  So anyways,  
thanks.

Kimberly
bolakk@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Fear of God
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.234347.16610@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
>pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
>
>>i had a similar dream along time ago. it was then i realized that
>>Theism and the human brain dont mix well and i gave it all up.
>
>Which did you give up?
>
ha, true, i saw the poor choice of words as well.
but actually i have learned to tell my brain
to shut the fuck up as well.
i would love to learn how to not dream at all,
just switch into meditation mode in my sleep.
-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming - What Is It?
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:20:52 GMT

lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt) writes:

>But anyways, I have been able to control my dreams completely since 
>I was about 6 years old, and can still do it. I refined the ability
>to the point where in the bottom of the 'screen' for lack of a better term
>or the visual that i see, at the bottom is a control box. In it are
>digital displays, including elapsed time and such. I can at will stop
>a dream and replay it, edit it if i am unhappy, or even erase it and
>start over. I can on the fly switch the entire dream to something else
>and this is easy.... would this be considered lucid dreaming?

  If you are aware at the time of dreaming that you are controlling a dream
(and not just waking up and remembering how you had controlled it), then yes,
you are lucid dreaming.  The fact you do this on a regular basis is quite
amazing--I'm very jealous :-)

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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: Lucid Nightmares
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:49:55 GMT
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In <1992Oct13.190127.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8841288@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>  This often happened to me when I was younger. I would be dreaming, pretty
>  ordinary, but then a wave of fear would come over me that the dream (I
>  kind of new I was dreaming) was going to turn nightmare. Everything would
>  turn scary; but sometimes nothing would happen, only that I was expecting

Hmmm... interesting...
I've always thought of 'lucid nightmares' as contradictory; when lucid
I realize that it's not for true, so I'm not scared about it... but it
seems to happen.

>  it to. At this time I would try desperately to wake myself up. I would
>  jab myself in the arm, pinch myself, even ram my head against a wall (which
>  never hurt). Eventually I would wake up, relieved.

That are the methods naively thought of as a way to force yourself out
of a dream, but they fail reliably when needed most ;-) Presumably
thinking HARD "Get out here!!!" would do a better job... but it's up
to you.

>  Occasinally I would wake only to find myself in another dream, ready to
>  turn scary again (see my last post).

That *is* common - recursive dreams, which unfortunately make the
recognition of a dream as such harder..

>  So, does this mean I am a walking nervous wreck?

No, I don't think so. :-) (I prefer to not put too much meaning into
nightmares, to prevent them from *making* me too nervous. Anyway, from
fear of nightmares you will get them again. Just try to calm - I know
that's hard but seems to work.) 


MfG,
        Olaf
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: dream lover
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:02:35 GMT

In article <gj156879.719003576@cunews> gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>>I have a seemingly silly question.  For two and a half years now I keep  
>>dreaming about someone whom, in my dreams, I love very much.  If I ask him  
>>his name, he says he can't tell me because it would ruin our future  
>>together.  I can't remember anything about him except basically the feel  
>>of his presence.  Is this possibly a precognative dream or just fantasy?
>
>    [stuff deleted]
> 
>If you believe in freudian theory, your dreams tend to be freudian, if
>you believe your dreams are a precognition, your dreams will take on
>that sort of context.  (I'd also push it further and say "If you think
>your lucid dreams are astral projection, then that's how it will
>look.")
AND:  If you think your astral projections are lucid dreams, then that's
how they will appear to you...  :)

Well, are you keeping a record of these dreams?  Sometime when you have
time, try to think deeply about the dreams, what did you see/hear/feel/
smell/taste....?  (and "feel" breaks down into textures, temperatures,
the weight of a hand holding yours, etc...)  If the memory starts to
take on a life of its own, all the better (if you are tired when you
try to do this, you might drift into dreaming it again)...  There are
all sorts of other questions you could ask:  approximately when will
you meet?  What is he doing with his life right now?  etc...  Oh yeah,
if all you are getting is a sense of his presence, you might start with
imagining his eyes (that tends to come through best)...  I would say that,
regardless of the nature of the dreams (precognition/fantasy/???), it
can definitely be used as a learning experience...  And if it IS 
precognition (or a "possible future"), it sure would be nice to sort of
help it along, wouldn't it?! :)  

Just my $.02.  Keep us posted...  :)

Angela

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: How do I dream?
Keywords: Dream, how
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:34:16 GMT

philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:

>  2. Keep a notepad and pencil beside your bed in readiness to record any
>     dreams.

Something which I read (try it and see I guess) is that you should try
*not* not roll over as soon as you wake up.  Try to note down what you
remember *without* rolling over.  It seems that rolling over changes the
activity in the brain (left/right balance?) and is actually what you do
during the night *between* dreams.  This makes it difficult to write
(assuming you're lying on your back).  The author suggested a tape
recorder but of course this means you'll have to transcribe what you
record.

If you *can't* remember anything, *then* try rolling over - this may
stimulate some memory!

Also repeating the details of the dream (or dreams) to yourself as soon as
you wake
is important.  They will fade *very* quickly if you do not.

Rob

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Geraghty                         | Time, flowing like a river
robg@durian.citr.oz.au               | Time, beckoning me
CITR                                 | APP
From: tb205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: dreams etc. (help!)
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:30:28 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

Hi my name is mike, every dream i remember comes true.  I have been having
these dreams ever since my grandfather died when i was 10 yrs old and believe
it or not he came and visited me after he died.  Imagination, i think not, but
he said i had a special purpose here on this planet and i was to use it to help
others.  He said i was chosen.  For a 10 yr old this was a wierd experience. 
That experience helped me strength my belief in powers from the unknown, and in
the existance in ghosts.  Last year i went to a psychic and she told me about
my grandfather and what he said to me. She also told me that i was psychic and
that my abilities will strength enormously in the next 2 years.  It is wierd
because i can read peoples emotions and sometimes see their future, past and
tell specific details about each.  Does anyone else have the same experiences
or have anything to share with me on the subject! Please reply!

send mail to:
***********************          	or reply to this newsgroup
msunder@opie.bgsu.edu *
	or            *                                    <THANX>
tb205cs@opie.bgsu.edu *                                           MIKE!
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Cap'n Don, of the USS Enterprised.
Summary: Control of the ship is ours!
Keywords: Space, the final dream area.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:34:39 GMT

I gotta try this holodeck stuff.  It strikes me as a very impressive
way of thinking of your dreams.  I'll be sure to post any results I
have in here.  Haven't had a lucid dream in a dogs age though.
 
The dream I had last night (and was awakened from by a cat smashing a
glass) involved my fiance' and I walking along, and me quoting her
something from a book:  (barely remember the quote) "The religion of
satanism is only..."  something...  I'm not religious at all, well,
maybe a little, and all I remember was the quote was about satanism,
and I thought it was so important (in the dream) that I tried to write
it down, but then I was rudely awakened by the small black ball of fur
that is now sitting next to me, begging to be petted.

                                                  Nik
                                        Do electric sheep dream
                                                  of androids?