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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: NHLSCORES: Results for 11/13
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:00:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.191337.16797@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> I'm filling in for John this weekend and next. If you're on his mailing list,
> this was not mailed to you. Division standings are at the end.
> 
> -----
> 
> PIT - 0 0 0 - 0
> DET - 2 4 2 - 8
> 
> 1 - DET Carson 7   (Ciccarelli)            14:38
>     DET Fedorov 7  (Burr, Konstantinov)    15:20
> 
> 2 - DET Carson 8   (Ciccarelli, McCrimmon)  3:13 (pp)
>     DET Yzerman 14 (Sheppard, Probert)     16:10
                 !!!!
>     DET Ysebaert 5 (Fedorov)               17:35 (sh)
>     DET Carson 9   (Ciccarelli, Chiasson)  18:47
> 
> 3 - DET Yzerman 14  (Sheppard, McCrimmon)  13:34 (pp)
                 !!!!-> 15
>     DET Sheppard 2  (Probert, Yzerman)     16:58
> 

  BTW, what's up with the Penguins! It all started too well??

/ Hannu

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From: gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Fuhr in nets for TO
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:46:40 GMT

-- 
	Why did Fuhr play in nets last night?  Is Pat Burns nuts or did someone
else make the decision?  It is one thing to give a goalie a break from playing
every game but taking a HOT goalie out of the net is a bad move.  If the
Leaf's continue to play Fuhr then I think the Leaf's are no better off then
they were five years ago.

	Don't you just love when Montreal beats Boston.  Nothing is as
sweet, except the Stanley Cup!

				Go Habs!


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From: trmakuu@uta.fi (Marjo Kuusto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: A Proposal For a European Hockey League
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:55:05 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


>                             I regard Finnish hockey fans every bit as
>dedicated and fanatical as soccer fans in most European countries. In America
>people seem to regard sports more like an entertainment that they are paying 
>for than something like a religion. 

Just wondering, where on earth did you get that idea?  Have 
you been to the States / Canada watching hockey, baseball or 
football?  I have the idea that they actually are very dedicated 
and even fanatical, although I'm not sure whether their "fanatical" 
includes violence.  It might,I just don't know.  Finnish hockey 
fans are not a least bit of dedicated.  As soon as their team starts 
losing, many supporters seem to lose interest in anything else than unfair
criticism.

>themselves. In the only Major League Baseball game I ever attended (and 
>probably the only one I ever will) half of the crowd never seemed to pay any 
>attention to what was happening on the field. The crowd attitude in the NHL 
>games I have seen has not been as bad, but somethig similar anyway. 

OK, you have been there, it's just that my experience is different.
Maybe you should go and see Blue Jays next time. 

Marjo
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From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)
Subject: Re: JETS News: Lalor out, trade rumours?
Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group
Distribution: na
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:18:57 GMT

In article <Bxz5Bz.1vM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>
>In the trade rumour department, rumours are circulating that a blockbuster
>type trade might be in the works between the Jets and the New York Rangers.
>This was fuelled by a visit to the Winnipeg Arena by Rangers GM Neil Smith
>for a game between the Jets and the Edmonton Oilers.  The Jets involved are:
>Ed Olcyzk and one of the Jets premier defencemen (take your pick of: Phil
>Housley, Teppo Numminen, or Fredrik Olausson).  In return, the Jets would
>be getting up to 4 Rangers, which could include Winnipeg native James Patrick,
>Doug Weight, or Kris King.
>

Oh The Sports Network last night, Bob McKenzie stated that Bob
Essensa may also be on the trading block pending the outcome of
his arbitration hearing. Word is that if he wins the
arbitration, the Jets will want to trade him instead of paying
him a high salary. Buffalo was mentioned as being interested.
Can anyone in the Buffalo or Winnipeg area shed some light on
this?

Gary
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN ratings level off
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:08:24 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <2119@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>ESPN might have millions and millions more subscribers than SportsChannel
>America ever will but its NHL ratings have really levelled off after a
>sensational numbers for the October 6th opener(Pens-Flyers). The current
>rating is 1.0 which is about what it was in 1988-89,the last season of ESPN's
>NHL coverage when the average was 0.9. ESPN has gained viewers since then
>but it appears it's not able to attract more viewers to the game.
>
>However,ESPN is not sitting on its hands and is moving forward with some
>interesting new video/audio gimmicks to cover the more open style of
>play and make the sport more popular on TV.
>
>* Goalie cam - it's coming next season. a tiny lipstick-size camera will be
>placed inside goalie's helmet. it needs a league and NHLPA approval.
>
They tried this for a Kings "outdoors" exhibition game in
Los Vegas.  The problem with the "Rudi-cam" was that is was
taped to the top of his helmut and pointed downwards
slightly.  Whenever they went to it, all it showed was the
ice in front of Hrudey.  It was kind of interesting during
scrambles in front of the net - seeing players flying all
over the place at Hrudey's feet.  Prime Ticket also tried a
Granato-cam for one exhibition game.  The problem was that
when Tony skates, he shakes his head back and forth.  Every
time they when to that camera, you saw alot of the ice
moving back and forth quickly.  I think it made most watching
it pretty seasick.  The only good shot was when Granato had
just cleared the puck and was just creamed into the boards.
The view was looking along the ice.  It then went black for
a moment and then you saw the ceiling of the Forum.

>
>-PPV Mark

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: jwodzia@dino.eng.clemson.edu ()
Subject: Bruins Songs...Help!
Reply-To: jwodzia@dino.eng.clemson.edu ()
Organization: MS, Mechanical Engineering, Clemson University, Clemson, SC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:43:55 GMT

I am hoping that someone up in the Boston area can help me with this one.

I an looking for someone with a tape of the songs that WBCN put together
for the B's playoff run a couple of years ago when they lost to EDM
in the finals. The songs were very funny and my copy of them was
just toasted by my old tape player. The two particular songs I'm 
looking to find are the Andy Moog song (Coming of Age, Damn Yankees)
and Oh Canada, You've got alot of beer....and so on.

If someone has a tape of these can you please get in touch with me
through E-Mail. 

Thanks alot...in Advance


Stuck in Hockey Hell
JRW
jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu jwodzia@clemson.clemson.edu
The #%&^*$%&$ Rangers suck!!!  1940 >> /dev/null Go B's!!! 
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From: patrick@psych.toronto.edu (Patrick Keelan)
Subject: Re: BEST FIGHTER??????
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:35:10 GMT

In article <ns319#n@rpi.edu> downec@rpi.edu writes:
>|> excuse me all of you - but let's not forget STU GRIMSON; if anyone
>|> noticed, he tore marty mcSOREly apart Thursday night leaving him with a
>|> bloody jersey for the rest of the game..... he's definitely a force to
>
>I thought we had put this thing to rest but I guess not.
>
>I will admit the The Grim Reaper is a very good fighter.
>Maybe one of the best (not better then Kocur, Probert or
        			        ^^^^^  ^^^^^^^
>Crowder, but good), but he's also the cheapest player I
 ^^^^^^^
>have ever seen play.

You must have been away recently.  Otherwise, leaving Brown off
the above list is quite an omission. He recently pummelled
Domi, who had earlier won a decision over the second-named 
individual above.  And, as others have pointed out, he made
short work of the Grim Reaper himself not too long ago.
Is there anyone who could last a round with Brown?  

-Pat K.
 U. of Toronto 

>
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Upcoming divorces...
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:05:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov17.150502.3626
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <kf224nW00iV307hnde@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>alot of women here too, so I've been told.  And I've heard countless tales
>about Mario's indiscretions and Coffey's pig-like behavior.

Gasp! Who would've believed it??? Could this be a sign of a falling
out between Mom and the Boy Wonder? Perhaps she just likes Jaro's
haircuts better...

George
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From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket)
Subject: Re: Pavel's going for 50 in 50!!!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:19:08 GMT

In article <chrism.722413745@sfu.ca> chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee) writes:
>With tonight's 9-0 thumping of LA, Mr. Bure now has 22 goals in 21 games!
>
>Hope he can keep it up!!!!!!!!!!
>
   What game were you watching ??? You mean Vancouver thumped EDMONTON. LA beat 
 the MAPLE LEAFS 4 to 2 in LA.


 Maurice
 rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca




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From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: WHL: CHL Top Ten Rankings
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:18:57 GMT


Top 10 Rankings (Canadian Hockey League)
(11/15/92)
(Last weeks rankings in parentheses.)
 1. (1)  Peterborough Petes (OHL)
 2. (2)  Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL)
 3. (4)  St-Jean Lynx (QMJHL)
 4. (3)  Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)
 5. (9)  Swift Current Broncos (WHL)
 6. (5)  Detroit Jr. Red Wings (OHL)
 7. (6)  Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
 8. (7)  Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
 9. (N)  Guelph ? (OHL)
10. (N)  Tacoma Rockets (WHL)


-- 
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                                |       Department of Computational Science
coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0             
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From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: Re: Fargo, ND: who plays there?
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:16:59 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

In article <NCJLOG.92Nov18145822@order.atmos.washington.edu> ncjlog@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson) writes:
>
>I heard that there is a junior team in Fargo, ND.
>
>Does anyone know what league they play in, that league's age
>restrictions and any other tidbits???
>
>I may be in Fargo in January and I want to avoid sitting on my hands.

I believe the team is in the new American Hockey Association (AHA).  So far as
I know, the league's first game(s) are tomorrow.

This is a professional league, somewhat like the new CHL, only I don't think it
will prove to be as popular...

marc  
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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:09:33 GMT

From article <BxtKno.9rq.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico):
> 
> A number of people have asked me how I feel about this whole mess. I have a
> lot of different feelings.  
> 
> One of them is that if Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey had just kept it in their
> pants I wouldn't have to even be discussing it.  I don't know if Tocchet has
> anyone, but Errey's married and Lemieux has a live-in longtime girlfriend. 
> Were they so horny that they couldn't wait one more night to get laid? 

Pardon! Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey did keep it in their pants or are they
now charged with rape also? Note that from my perspective asking one woman
back to your hotel room would pretty much indicate you were looking to have
a good time, asking 4 women indicates a party. Have you never gone somewhere
or done something to please your friends or help them. In this situation it
is entirely possible that Errey and even Lemieux as well as say a number
of the women were simply along for the ride so to speak.

It's no wonder people have marital problems if every time your with a group
of people with equal number of men and women it's automatically assumed you
have to be pairing up.

*If* Quinn actually raped this woman and *if* Lemieux,Tocchet or Errey had been
able to stop it the only thing they have to be held accountable for is their
innaction, their own fidelity(or lack there of) shouldn't be in question here.

> 
> As for the alleged rape.  I'm in a grey area over this.  Not because of whose
> involved, either.  I felt the same about the Tyson incident.  Alleged gang
> rapes (such as the Ciccerelli incident and the current Bengals alleged gang
> rape case) also leave me wondering.  (Yes, I know I've ripped on Dino, but
> that because he's been a pervert all his life...Lemieux and Co. are new to
> this. :-))

Alleged gang rapes? From some reports there was no one else in the room. Who
else has been charged? Some reports imply the police may not have enough
evidence to even charge Quinn. How can we be assuming there was anyone else
involved when we don't know if Quinn even did anything wrong?

If Lemieux could prove he wasn't anywhere near the room at the time of the
alleged incident he should sue the butts off the Minneapolis papers who
have suggested he was the other unnamed Pen involved.

Well that's all I have a problem with, the rest of your article makes sense.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		              (The Bum rules!!!)
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From: umli0052@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sheng Li)
Subject: Re: Ricci
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:22:04 GMT

In <1992Nov21.050407.1063@mala.bc.ca> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:

>In article <q2XiuB3w165w@pinetree.org>, 
>montana@pinetree.org (David Wong) writes:
>> Has anyone know the where about of Mike Ricci or his health?  
>> 

>He is playing for the Quebec Nordiques, who acquired him along with
>Steve Duchesne and Ron Hextall in an off-season trade for the rights
>to Eric Lindros.  The most recent info I have seen has him in good
>health, with 8 goals and 11 assists in 17 games.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca

The last I heard is that Ricci is injuried and will be back soon.

ps. The injury lasted about 2 weeks so far, I think.
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Subject: Re: Trade the #1 draft pick in 1993
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:11:48 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov14.003304.11625@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
> The Quebec Nordiques obviously have a large interest in Alex Daigle, and they
> have a hell of a lot to trade for him.
> In my opinion, it would be in Ottawa's best interest to get a bunch of good
> players from Quebec, rather than just one - Daigle.
> 
> Any ideas what they might be able to get for him?
> 
> Here's a start:
> 
> To Quebec: Ottawa's first round pick in 1993 (Obviously, Daigle)
> 
> To Ottawa: 1. Philadelphia's first round pick in 1993 (obviously from
>                the Lindros trade)
>            2. Chris Simon and/or Scott Pearson
>            3. A little cash, perhaps?

Seriously? You're kidding me. Daigle is potentially the next Mario Lemieux, and
you're suggesting giving him up for a draft pick, and one or two unproven
players?  The Senators would be better off drafting Daigle and using him as
the cornerstone of the franchise for the next ten years. There's no panic for
them to produce a winner right away because Ottawa fans will support their
team whether it wins or not. 

								Alan
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Sabre Goal Watch is on
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:57:58 GMT
Organization: UB


Evidently the watch is on.  The following names have been mentioned by
Buffalo News columnist/reporter Jim Kelley:

Vernon (CAL)
Fuhr (TOR)
Vanbiesbrouck (NYR)


In addition, mentioned here has been:

Essensa (WPG)


The Sabres have a problem.  When their offense shows up, the defense
and goal falls apart and they lose games with scores of something like
7-4.

When the goaltenders show up, the offense goes on hiatus and the team
loses by scores of 3-2.

The defense never shows up.

Fortunately, defenseman Ken Sutton is slated to return for tonight's
contest.  


-- 
Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
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From: carmel@phage.cshl.org (Gilles Carmel in Kuret Lab - CSHL)
Subject: Monday games boxscores wanted
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:04:58 GMT

Hi

We didn't get last Monday (11-16-92) games results and boxscores at our site.

These games were

Boston     Montreal
St. Louis  Toronto
Los Angeles Vancouver

Can someone e-mail me the boxscores of these games.  I would really 
appreciate it.

Thanks in advance for your info


Gilles Carmel

carmel@cshl.org
From: hillig@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Hilli Gibson)
Subject: Lemieux assists and goal winning records 
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:43:30 GMT

>PIT - 0 0 0 - 0
>DET - 2 4 2 - 8

Is there anybody out there that is kindly to let me know when was
the last time Lemiuex's unstoppable scoring records diminishes ?
Was it after Pitt - Quebec game ? or before that ?
How about his assist record ?

Did he actually pass Gretzky's records ?
-- 
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              |  Phone:    +61-2-954-0022 (-9930 FAX)
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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: Diving rule?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:11:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.112154.9602@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes...
> 
> I haven't seen any NHL games so far this season, so I'm wondering about the
> new dive rule. Has it been called in many games so far? Has it had any
> impact of the outcome of some games? Has Mario Lemieux's PIM increased
> dramatically this season compared to last? Is it a legitimate rule in your
> opinion or is it just another (bothersome) stoppage of play?

	I haven't paid a lot of attention to it, but it was called in last
night's Washington-Minnesota game.  I believe Paul MacDermid was called--the
penalty is given as an "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalty--there isn't a
specific name for it (diving, faking, Lemieuxing (sp?) :-), etc.).  
	The diving penalty is not related to the nose-dive the Caps took in
the 3rd period last night--3 goals in the last six minutes.  Absolutely
pathetic.  Beaupre looks AWFUL--I may be exaggerating, or maybe his injuries
are still nagging him, but Donnie is letting a LOT of bad goals through.  The
Caps had better get it together quickly or it's all over-- this is a rough 
division...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce 'Beaten like a Rented Mule' Hasch         hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: david@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Subject: Re: Caps/Stars and multiple Caps problems
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 21:44:07 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <arbogastw.33.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>>Goaltending is relatively solid.
>
>Not in the games I've seen.  It's been miserable.  How about all those 
>losses and goals against "Mo-Pay or No-Play" Donnie Beaupre has racked up.
>
>While I haven't paid to see the team this year, and from the falling 
>attendance I'm not alone, AND while I haven't wasted a great deal of time 
>watching HTS or DC20 because the team has no life (the Bullets on skates)  
>goaltending has been one of many weaknesses I do see with the Caps to this 
>point.

Let me rephrase that.  Generally, goaltending has been pretty good
very recently.  In Wednesday's and Friday's games, Beaupre only gave
up 5 goals in the first 50 minutes of each game.  Of course, he let in
3 in last minutes of the NoStars game and another 3 late in the game
last night.

They got all kinds of problems.  At least the rookies from Balmer have
been scoring.  

Dave
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From: plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen)
Subject: Re: Penalty shot criteria?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Distribution: NA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.141155.18238@nynexst.com> fischman@nynexst.com writes:
>There are a couple of other instances when a penalty shot is awarded.  Throwing
>a stick at the puck with less than 2 minutes remaining is one.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this really necessary?  I thought that throwing the stick anytime (by goalie
or skater) is a penalty shot.

>	Gary J. Fischman
>
Al.
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