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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:59:19 -0500 
From: "Christian A. Pegher" <cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: To all of you who call yourselves skiers...

I like reading this Bboard, and I happen to take offense to being called
a nerd.  The bars and hotels part I can deal with - when I'm on a ski
trip, I'm having fun on or off the slopes.  In this sense, bars and
hotels fit in perfectly to the conversation on this board.  I guess I
just can't see how you could fit the words nerd and bar in the same
sentence, except maybe if you said, "Yeah, I was at this bar last night,
and this slimy little nerd actually got in!  He started hitting on some
hot chick, and she just slapped him right in the face!  Well, he started
whining in this really high pitched voice, and one of the bouncers
promply threw him out on his ear!"

Comparing the above example to the text that you have submitted, It can
clearly be seen that you have no real concept of the words "nerd" and
"bar".  I might even go as far as to say that you confused as to your
own status in society.  Thus, we may progress from this to bring forth
the question:  What kind of NERD reads their mail at 12:20 at night?  At
least I have an excuse - I'm a student at Carnegie Mellon, INC., and I
only have time to read mail while working as a computer consultant -
late night.  In fact, I have to make time to read mail, with all of the
work I have to do.  (CMU was ranked hardest and most competitive last
year, but only 8th in suicides - don't worry though, we're working to
improve ourselves at that, too - we know a few people who may...).  So,
what's your excuse?  

Not that it really matters.  By the note of your post, I've already
pinned you as one of those scrawny, pencil necked geeks that we always
see - running down the road in umbros and a tank top in the summer, or
going cross country on two flat saplings with a little beanie hat in the
winter - always with the same expression of agony on your face.  Not
that I'm knocking X-Country skiing - it is a great aerobic excercise. 
But, if you dare, look at the face of the down hill skiier as he cuts
his S-turns, waist deep in powder, or as she does an aerial off of a
mogul.  There is the true nature of skiing.  Fast and furious,
thrilling, deadly.  

I know this will probably turn into a flame war with the X-Country
skiiers, but I feel I must react to such an arrogant but feeble attack
at my most loved past-time.  

Christian A. Pegher
Donning Flame-Proof Gear

Student of, but in no other way affiliated to:
Carnegie Mellon, INC.
From: plbarbos@bu.edu (Pedro Barbosa)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Killington Ski Report for November 15
Summary: Killington Real Conditions for November 15
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:07:46 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

My Friends:

I went to Killington yesterday, and here is what I found:

*Lift tickets are $35.

*Only 4 lifts are opened.

*The snow is great -not icy- and yesterday it actually snowed.
The snow making machines are working at full power, and that
is why I advice to anyone that is going to Killington tis week
or in the following weeks to take something to protect the head,
and ski goggles.  If you don't the snow making will freeze your
brain and you will become blind.  Sun glasses aren't enough.

*If you are not an expert skier, watch out for the lifts.  
Because not all the trails are opened in the opened lifts, so
you might have to face a black diamond because the green 
alternative route is closed.

*The slopes aren't crowded, and there is no waiting for the
lifts.

*In conclusion, the trip is worthed.  However don't expect 117
opened trails.  For November is pretty good, but comparing to 
deep winter Killington it isn't much.  

I hope I have been helpful.  If you read this report, and you 
don't agree it is useful to remember that this is only my 
personal opinion.  Conditions might change a lot in a week.

This is only intended to be a akind of second opinion.

Have fun skiing in Killington.

Pedro
B.U.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:44:54 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <1992Nov19.021150.24764@slate.mines.colorado.edu> btowell@slate.mines.colorado.edu (TOWELL BRIAN PATRICK) writes:
>-hey Grant......"Cool Idea"
>
>I did it for a year at Jackson Hole, and overall, it INCREASED my
>work/school ethic by the  time I went home.
>
>BT

My question is, how did you ever get back to a mainstream life?  In such a
situation, I would be likely to stay--forever.  This is a serious question.
If you lived as a SB (ski bum) for over a year, you were obviously
supporting yourself.  What made you go back to
school/technical-work/whatever?

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
From: sketavar@cisco.com (Srinivas Ketavarapu)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Anybody interested in a driving trip to Bachelor/Salt Lake over T'giving
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:55:59 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: last-call.cisco.com
Keywords: ski, Mt. Bachelor, drive, long, Salt Lake


I was planning on driving up to Mt. Bachelor (from the Bay area) over the Thanksgiving
weekend  but the friend who was to go with me dropped out. I definitely don't want to do 
the drive alone. So, if there is anybody in the area who is interested in going or is 
already going and wouldn't mind an addition to their group, please send me email or give 
me a call and we can discuss the details. I did a similar trip to Salt Lake City last 
year from S. Calif and had a great time. So, I'm always willing to go there. Bachelor 
might be preferable because it is closer (by about 2-3 hours?).

I'm an advanced intermediate skier (at least I was at the end of the last season :-). 
I'm willing to take my car and can hit the road as early as 2 pm on Wednesday.

	- Srinivas 	415-903-7189 (W)  415-903-0497 (H)
-- 
Srinivas Ketavarapu
Cisco Systems, Inc
Email: sketavar@cisco.com
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: To all of you who call yourselves skiers..
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:21:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com


In article 5638W@baron.edb.tih.no, sveint@edb.tih.no (Svein Gunnar Tjoenndal,o92b) writes:
> To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.
> I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
> useful about skiing.
> What I found was this:
> A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!
> You guys have really got a problem.
> A serious one.
> 
> I'll be looking forward to any response to this.
> 
> 					Svein Tjoenndal
>            Cross-country skiing, the first (and real) winter sport
>            was invented in Norway by vikings about 500 AD. 
>            (I guess you just didn't know...)


You're an idiot.

Greg


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wrw1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.r.wiebalk)
Subject: Sunday River (Maine) questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:55:50 GMT


Based on a third party recommendation, my wife wants to take 
me to Sunday River as a birthday present.  She insists on doing
all the planning, but I figured I would help her a bit....

To those who have been there:

	How far to the nearest airport? (hopefully Bethel?)
		Does that airport rent cars?
		Sunday River shuttle?

	Do you have a favorite place to stay?

	Have you stayed "on-property"?

Wayne
From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:24:41 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Nov16.190342.234@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>Really?  A ski club for African Americans?  I have noted throughout my some
>>25 years of skiing that skiing is one sport where you simply do not see
>>many black people, and I think the reasons are obvious.
>
>I'm a little fuzzy on the "obvious."  Can you elaborate?  Do you mean the
>current economic situation?  Just curious.
>

Perhaps he meant those good old hollywood stereotypes don't portray
black people as skiiers.

In my limited experience I've only seen one skiier on Aspen mountain: Dion
Warwick. On the bunny slope. But three years on one mountain hardly
makes a survey. Hell, it hardly makes a data point :-)


When I mentioned I hoped to get in some early season skiing this year,
my Vietnamese office mate said "That's awfully white of you, Dave."

Perhaps its a perception problem?



-- 
David Neal -- hdnea@hou281.chevron.com 

My processes aren't dead! They're only resource impaired!
Computationally challenged!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fanning@NMC.ED.RAY.COM (Robert Fanning)
Subject: Whistler/Blackcomb info
Reply-To: fanning@iatc.ed.ray.com
Organization: Equipment Division, Raytheon Company
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:24:28 GMT


  I have the oppertunity to go to Whistler/Blackcomb in March.

  The touring company will put us in the Fox Glove condos.  Are these
  condos OK?  How close to the lifts are they?  Any general do's and
  dont's about the area?

                                   Thanks

  Rob Fanning
  fanning@iatc.ed.ray.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Subject: Space available in North Tahoe ski lease
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:30:09 GMT

We have a roomy 3+ bedroom house leased for five months (12/4/92 thru 5/3/93)
and need a couple more warm bodies to occupy it.  The house is in Talmont, which
overlooks Sunnyside (just south of Tahoe City.)  When we checked it out the
other weekend, my odometer measured 7 miles to the base of the Alpine Meadows
access road.  $500 gets you your own key and the right to use it any time
during that period.  (yes, including Christmas!)  Call or e-mail me to get
more information.

Hal Brunette
brunette@netcom.com
(408) 247-7845
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: tnickles@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Tim Nickles)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb this weekend!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:39:40 GMT

chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee) writes:

>Although Whistler and Blackcomb have planned to open Nov. 25/26, there is a
>snow warning up for Whistler and if they get a good dumping of snow, expect
>it open early...maybe this weekend!!!  See you up there!!!

>         ___________________________________________________________
>        /|       /|  /|     ||  //                                  |
>       / |      / | / | //\\|| //  _____ _____  Chris McKee         |
>       | |     //||//||||   ||//   ||    ||     Simon Fraser        |
>       | |    // | / || \\//|/\\   ||___ ||___  University,         |
>       | |   //  |/  ||     || \\  ||    ||     Vancouver, B.C.     |
>       | |  //       ||     ||  \\ ||    ||     Canada              |
>       | | //        ||     ||   \\||___ ||___  chrism@sfu.ca       |
>       | |__________________________________________________________|
>       |/__________________________________________________________/


you dirty dogs.


Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:24:13 -0500 
From: "Lynne M. Reder" <lr0e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ski America Cards?

This is probably a FAQ (but I don't know how to access the answers to
FAQs--sorry).  I'm planning to ski 4 days at Whistler/Blackcomb, a week
at Jackson Hole and maybe a few days in Colorado this winter (ok, I'm
probably dreaming, but that is my intention).   Do SkiAmerica cards work
in all of these areas, and would I save enough money to make it worthwhile
buying the card?  Does someone have the phone number of the company too?

Thanks in advance for any help with this!

~Lynne

reder+@cmu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Waterproofing ski apparel???
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:59:57 GMT

You can use Scotchguard(tm) or Thompson's SportSeal(tm) (not the same as their
WaterSeal(tm) and not recommended for clothing), but neither of these will
duplicate the original coating.  I contacted Thompson's 800 number and had
to locate a local store to get SportSeal (Menlo Hardware).
Not much you can do.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jason@Utah.Univel.COM (Jason S. Ehrhart)
Subject: It's time!!!
Keywords: utah, alta, snowbird, skiing
Reply-To: jason@univel.com
Organization: Univel
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:43:25 GMT

Well, it's time. I just got the call from some friendly folks who
work at Alta. Alta opened today at 1pm! It was a packing party, but
it probabily means that they'll be open for business tomorrow, Sat
the 21st of November. Snowbird will be open tomorrow as well.

We got a storm last night which dropped over 20" at the bottom of
Snowbird as of 8am this morning, I'd imagine that there was a bunch
more at the top of the mountain. Snowbird reports a base of 39" at
the bottom, 48" at Mid-Gad and no report for the top of the tram.

A friend at Alta who hiked guessed that there was about 60 inches of
snow including 25" of fresh.

Snowbird tix will be $37 (US) for a full day with the tram, $32 (US)
for a full day of chairs.

Alta tix will be $23 (US) for a full day.

skiya up there!
-- 
jason ehrhart jason@univel.com
univel
280 west 10200 south		Perspective, use it or lose it.
sandy, ut, 84070   (801) 568-8529
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Subject: Space available in North Tahoe ski lease
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:22:36 GMT

We have a roomy 3+ bedroom house leased for five months (12/4/92 thru 5/3/93)
and need a couple more warm bodies to occupy it.  The house is in Talmont, which
overlooks Sunnyside (just south of Tahoe City.)  When we checked it out the
other weekend, my odometer measured 7 miles to the base of the Alpine Meadows
access road.  $500 gets you your own key and the right to use it any time
during that period.  (yes, including Christmas!)  Call or e-mail me to get
more information.

Hal Brunette
brunette@netcom.com
(408) 247-7845


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sveint@edb.tih.no (Svein Gunnar Tjoenndal,o92b)
Subject: To all of you who call yourselves skiers...
Reply-To: sveint@edb.tih.no
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:20:54 GMT

To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.
I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
useful about skiing.
What I found was this:
A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!
You guys have really got a problem.
A serious one.

I'll be looking forward to any response to this.

					Svein Tjoenndal
           Cross-country skiing, the first (and real) winter sport
           was invented in Norway by vikings about 500 AD. 
           (I guess you just didn't know...)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: philba@microsoft.com (Phil Barrett)
Subject: Re: Warren Miller Ski movies (?questions?)
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:09:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: rec.skiing

In article <Bxtz9C.K3E@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
>
.. [attribution lost]
>> Semi-monotonous? That's interesting. I think Mr. Miller is _hilarious_! He
>> coulda given Bob Newhart lessons on deadpan delivery...8-)
> 
> Actually, after you've seen a few of 'em, all the WM movies look and sound
> the same. Same footage, same jokes, same everything. Boring. Thank god
> for RAP (Real Action Pictures) and Gregg Stump. Finally there's some
> choice!

No kidding.  Dont forget over-priced and blatant commercial tie-ins (I
think if I ever hear `Now we get into our brand new Nissan Pathfinder
and <blah blah blah>' again, I'm gonna puke).  I used to like his films
but he hasn't changed the formula at all.   And his "You just keep
doing what your doing [buying tickets to his movies] so I can keep
doing what I'm doing" makes me feel like such a sucker every time I pay
for one of his shows that I've stopped going.

However, I have to say one of my favorite skiing quips is his `The
family that skiis together bitches together'.  Still the IQ vs shoe
size jokes get way old, fast.

Phil
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:58:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.023520.6376@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>>and our numbers are relatively small.  I don't regard Asian cultures as
>>>highly conducive to skiing.
>
>1) Greater stress by our cultures toward education and work and less on
>"play."  

There's the problem.  Not enough people see skiing as an important part of
one's overall education!  

Seriously though, I find the "greater stress" part worrysome, I thought
things were bad enough here.  In my statistically insignificant opinion 
of one,  in the majority of North American, and majority of people, there
is still an overriding Puritan work ethic:  work and school are "good," and
except in extremely small and controlled (not to mention socially
condoned) doses, fun and/or unemployment are bad.

It seems any time I mention the idea of quitting my job and ski bumming it
for a year or two, I immediately become an outcast.   In fact, I have yet
to meet one person who says "Cool idea."

If I understand Eugene correctly, then I empathize with Asians for whom
such an idea would not merely be socially undesireable, it would be akin to
heresy!

>To stress: I mean people take real flak for not towing the work
>ethic line, especially closer to 1st generation immigrants.  Stress on
>academics, wait until you get to be an adult (at which time you don't
>have time), etc.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Cars needed at Steamboat ?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:48:19 GMT

Going to be skiing at Steamboat in late-January with eight or so other
people.  While I am not sure where we are staying, how good is the shuttle
system for Steamboat.  We would prefer not to rent a car as we are flying
into Hayden.  Comments would be appreciated (feel free to e-mail to
twm3@world.std.com) and I will summarize if there is interest.

TIA,

-Tom

-- 
===============================================================================
"There is indeed such a thing as a free lunch - however it just isn't exactly
the lunch you had in mind." - No-No, it is On-On, twm3@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Club Vertical
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:02:04 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Mike Parker (mparker@adobe.com) wrote:

> [cheaper tickets]

 Fine.

> [special lines]

 Bad idea.

> [prizes for accumulated vertical]

 Shrug. Don't care.

> The one person who scores the most feet gets next year's season pass
> free.

 Cute, but statistically insignificant.

> free ski check
 
 Many areas already do this for everybody.

> So what do y'all think?

 Overall a bad idea.

> I think they missed out on lot's of opportunity.  First, the opportunity to
> replace cash. Why can't I buy hot dogs with the thing?  

 Well, for a lot of reasons. The biggest is probably that in most cases
 the resort does NOT sell hot dogs. Concessionaires rent space from the
 resort and sell hot dogs. Getting all of the concessionaires to use a
 central accounting system would certainly be a challenge.

> I could either have a credit card on file,

 Very extremely dangerous.

> or if I was afraid of losing the thing and thus losing a fortune, I could
> always keep a small cash balance on it.

 ...which means that you'd have to be continually recharging thus removing
 any advantage that you might have had.

> Second, what about pay as you go.  

 I hate this idea, but then again I suspect that most people who ski alot
 would hate this idea. I'm one of those people who are subsidised by 
 the person who buys a ticket and only skis a few runs.

> They could use the system to fiddle with supply and demand.
> So, what else can we do with this new toy??
> What's the net's opinion?

 Overall I don't like these schemes very much. One thing to consider is
 that while it might be easy to come up with a whole laundry list of 
 features that YOU would like, the resort has no incentive to do anything
 unless they will make more money. This means you either pay more for less
 or more people are enticed to pay less for the same (follow?) which means
 more crowding.

 ..glen

    Eugene...wanna teach me to XC? This is getting out of hand!



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pan_jt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jeffery Tai Pan)
Subject: Re: European Ski Destinations
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.230621.5611@netcom.com> rjn@netcom.com (Richard Newton II) writes:
>Last summer, I got a coupon for a free roundtrip ticket to Europe as
>part of a promotion from United Airlines.
>
>Wisely, I've decided to use it for a ski trip :-).  I was mostly considering
>Switzerland.
>
>So, I am asking for some net.advice on a plethora of questions:
>
>    If you could go to any one ski area in Europe, where would it be? 
>    How are the snow conditions now? 
>    Are snowboards allowed? 
>    Should I take my own skis/board?
>
>Thanks, all!
>
>-- 
>Rich Newton, rjn@netcom.com

You might want to try skiing the jungfrau region. you would probably stay in
interlaken, which has a wonderful night life. The mountains there are
wonderful. I went there about four years ago and haven't skied anything
close since. There is a cogwheel train you have to take to get to the aerial
tram which wisks you up the mountain. 
	I should also point out that the skiing experience there is much
different to skiing in the states. You usually go to the top of the mountain
and spend the rest of the day skiing down. You stop off at the next town
when you need a break. And if you dont make it all the way back down, a bus
runs the route through all of the mountain towns to pick you up. 
	Most of the skiing is also way above the tree line, so the trails
are not marked off by boundaries. Rather they set up bright orange bamboo
poles in the snow. As you ski past one, you just aim for the next. That may
seem easy, but you must also remember that you are often skiing above the
clouds too. So when you break through the cloud layer, its like skiing
through the thickest fog you've ever seen.
	As for snowboards, BRING THEM. There were about 50% skiers on the
mountain. the other half were snowboarders and monoskiers. Oh, by the way,
the mountains that you would actually ski there are Wengen, Kline Schidegg,
and a few others that escape me now. I hope this helps :)

				Jeff Pan
				pan_jt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu